Dating Talk #55
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4 hours and 41 minutes
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178.22733
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188
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Happened, we have our first guest on the show, and it's a girl from the previous episode. She's an aspiring screenwriter, writer, and aspiring actress, and she also happens to be in a relationship with a guy named Eric. We talk about what it's like being in a long term relationship, and how she's dealing with it. We also talk about her relationship status and how long it's been going.
Transcript
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So if you tuned into last stream, one of the OnlyFans girls, Cynthia A. Raider, thank you for the prime sub.
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And she did pay me, so she's a woman of her word.
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Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
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My name's Sam, and I work at an elderly home, and then I'm 19, and I'm also a student.
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I just graduated from Parsons in New York, and right now I'm a writer in L.A.
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I'm 18, and I go to Santa Barbara City College.
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I'm also a barista at Starbucks, and I'm studying psychology.
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I'm 24, and I'm a tattoo artist at Bone Deep in Camarillo.
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What is your current relationship status, your longest relationship, and how long have you been single?
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My longest relationship was a year, and the longest I've been single?
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The longest relationship I had was about a year and a half in college, and I've been, I think, like two years single.
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Have you, what's the longest period of time that you've seen a guy?
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What's the longest period of time you've dated a girl?
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I've been single my whole life, so I haven't dated a girl.
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But have you ever gone on a date with a girl, for example, or hung out with a girl romantically?
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I've been single for probably, oh my god, six months now.
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My longest relationship was probably a year and five months.
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I'm currently in a relationship going on four years.
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So that, and you're 18, so that was a high school relationship?
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And he's still in Sacramento, or he's somewhere else?
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But you both were originally in Sacramento, correct?
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Okay, so he went to North Carolina for college, I'm assuming.
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And were you guys both wanting to do the long distance thing?
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The longest relationship is my current one now.
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And yeah, I am, I would say I'm fluid in my sexuality, meaning if I like the person, then
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I would definitely go on a date with them, get to know them.
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It all just depends on if you're not a piece of shit or not.
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I am single, currently feeling somebody out, and I am straight.
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My longest relationship was about two years, so.
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So, um, what does that mean, feeling someone out?
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Like, we're seeing how things are gonna work, just because there is distance involved.
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Guys, everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
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Guys, as you know, it is Valentine's Day, so we're gonna be talking a little bit about Valentine's.
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I'm joined here, with the exception of these two.
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We're a bunch of forever alone, hopeless losers.
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By the way, we are gonna be doing, reviewing some of the girls' dating apps.
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Some of the girls are on dating apps, so we're gonna do that in just a few minutes here.
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So, before we do your reviews of your dating apps, I wanna talk a little bit about dating apps.
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So, have any of you, first off, which dating apps are you guys on?
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Like, light texting, but it really was just simple ones, and it wasn't, like, anything crazy.
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It was probably, like, I probably got, like, $50 in all.
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Normally, there's some sort of exchange of photos.
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No, there was one guy, and he just wanted to talk, like, have someone to talk to.
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A lot of these guys just wanted someone to talk to.
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I mean, not a lot of them, but there was ones that wanted just someone to talk to.
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Does anyone here, has anyone here ever had the sugar daddy?
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We will meet in a few months if you want to talk with a real man.
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You have thousands of guys waiting on him to speak to you, and you won't respond to them.
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Yo, Cheeks, thank you for the, by the way, that is a different TTS coming through Streamlabs.
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Streamlabs, they don't take the big cut that YouTube does.
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You can still do it through, you can still do TTS through YouTube, but Streamlabs is, if you want more of your contribution to go towards whatever and not YouTube, Streamlabs is an option.
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But Cheeks, thank you so much for the support, man.
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Do you have a response, would you like to respond to Cheeks?
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I would say thank you for the support, you know, us long distance, we need all we can get, the support, so I appreciate that.
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Didn't he tell you to break up with your boyfriend?
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Oh, I thought he said, it does work, like you got this.
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He was saying there's like better men out there for you besides him.
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Well, uh, what, what if I told you that he owns a chain of Arby's on the East Coast?
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He's like, he's a proprietor, so he owns a baker's dozen Arby's restaurants, that 13.
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Your boyfriend's probably eating at his restaurant right now, come to think of it.
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I mean, I would respect the business, um, you know, going after it, but I'ma, I'ma have
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Okay, well, he's, he, he understands, I think, and I'm sure he'd be glad to treat you and
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your boyfriend to all the sandwiches and meat selections you guys would like.
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Um, my friend who had a guy who was sending her feet pics for money sent him a picture
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of me and he wanted my Snapchat and so he got my Snapchat and then he started sending
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me money for feet pics and it was only once or twice I made maybe like $50, um, but that
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So you've gotten a couple different times you've made $50 from.
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Has anybody else here ever like sent photos or like just texted with a dude like, and he
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You have a boyfriend, so hopefully you're not on a dating app.
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We're going to just start off right away with the dating app reviews, and then we're going
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So, guys, keep in mind, by the way, you need to charge your cell phone.
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Guys, we're going to ask you, once we're done going through all her prompts and photos,
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So, okay, you should leave a comment if you cannot or you can make me laugh nonstop.
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I really like a guy who can make me laugh or we have similar humor.
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Tell us about your dirty mind while we're at it.
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Well, it's, I just do like to, like, make sexual jokes.
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The rest of the ladies, I'm successful, disease-free, 5'8", Latino, 162 pounds.
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And aside from owning these RVs all over the South, who'd want to go out for a cup of coffee
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Obviously, you don't see his photo, but what he described.
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I mean, I'd have to know his personality more, but I can't say yes or no yet.
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Maybe, like, we need a photo or something, you think?
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Yeah, I think, Cheeks, you might have to step up the dark and dirty humor to impress Sarah
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And if a guy is not funny, is that just a deal breaker for you?
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Like, if he thinks I'm funny, then I don't really care.
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Like, something has to happen, and then I have to, like, feed off that.
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I just have, like, very, like, beliefs everywhere.
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I don't want to, like, put myself to, like, a certain group, because I kind of believe in a lot of things.
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And I think you omitted your drug use, because on Hinge, there's a thing for drug use.
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So I'm just going to assume that you do methamphetamine and heroin.
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There was another one, but it was, like, the one where I was, like, dating me.
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Pull it on the screen over here so we can see it, so we'll pull it up.
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Yeah, the folder, so I can see which one it is.
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No, just leave the OBS window where it is and just get rid of always on top.
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I guess you didn't attach a superchat to that, but go to the download folder, Eric.
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There's actually, like, two more missing, but it's those two top ones.
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We are obviously a professional operation here.
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I think I'm just, like, really fun and spontaneous.
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So, like, I feel like if you date me, there'd be a lot of things happening.
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No, but I don't want to make her life miserable.
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I'd probably, like, surprise her and we, like, go do something fun.
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Like, buy her, like, a concert ticket for her favorite person.
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And I actually want to open the panel up to this.
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Is chaos typically a thing you're looking for from a partner?
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I've gotten a lot of reactions to that certain thing of some people being, like, oh, like, let me get some of that chaos or, like...
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I wouldn't say I'm, like, actually that much of a chaotic...
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I am a little lying, but I wanted to attract people because, like, you know, a lot of guys do like that.
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Like, they, like, say they don't, but they, like, they really do.
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I said I feel like it makes your life interesting.
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What men are looking for out of relationships is not...
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If you can bring your guy peace, he'll stay by your side.
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I've brought in peace to guys and they've gotten...
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Like, they got bored of me and they cheated on me.
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A guy who has nothing going on, I suppose he might welcome the excitement.
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But men who are, like, actually trying to do something with their lives, who have...
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Who live stressful lives, the last thing they want is to go home and have to contend
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One of the top things I think women can bring to a guy is peace.
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I think that's, like, what you want in a relationship, period.
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Like, a person to look at and be, like, that's home.
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If you're dating a guy, for example, if he has a really stressful job, he wants...
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He doesn't want to have stress also with his partner.
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He wants someone where it's just stress-free and it's just all chill and mellow.
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Why in the hell are you posing next to a gas pump?
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I don't have my license, so I wouldn't know how much it costs.
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Probably because I have my own fears about driving.
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But, like, I push it off too much, like, trying to get it.
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They're all, like, you need to get your license.
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The peaceful and non-chaotic a woman is, the better a relationship will be.
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Good head upon coming home and waking up, too, is what men really want.
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Start being honest about your height on these apps.
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I mean, I've seen a lot of people lying about their height on apps.
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So do you think, like, also, like, dyeing your hair an unnatural color is lying?
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So reshaping your body and, like, working out and giving yourself tone muscles, that's also
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You're conflating exercising and getting fit to make up something that can be put on and
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Couldn't you compare your beard to makeup since it hides your jawline?
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Because when you see him in public, he's going to have it.
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Like, and if he does take it off, it's going to grow back as a part of him.
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Whereas, like, we choose when we want to put on and take off makeup.
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I mean, but, like, you can choose when you want to take off a beard or not.
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But, yeah, because you contour your face to look a certain way, whereas you can't tell
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Like, I know many guys, like, do certain haircuts or, like, beard shaping just to,
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like, get a certain defined jawline, like, to make their appearance look different.
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I'm just saying you probably having that beard makes you a little bit more flattering
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looking in the same way that makeup might make a woman look more flattering.
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Certainly, some men, the beard can help shape the jawline a bit.
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But I do want to bring it back to the original point of, you know, you said that men lie about
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And I said, well, I think women lie more, and that's through makeup and through filters.
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But why do guys have such an issue with makeup?
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Wouldn't they want something that makes, like, their girl or their girlfriend that look better?
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You can also do one in the chat for no makeup, two in the chat without makeup.
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I feel like a lot of guys, when they say without, there's, like, a no makeup makeup look.
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When you say without, I think what they're thinking is, like, overdone, super cakey.
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But, like, I think just having, you know, even, yeah, light touches of makeup isn't something they would prefer.
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I don't think they, like, notice that that's makeup.
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Because guys can't really tell, like, what, what is makeup and what's not.
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I mean, obviously, if it's really heavy on, you're going to be able to tell.
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But, like, if it's something light and natural looking, I feel like there's no harm in that.
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Well, I mean, you're certainly free to do whatever you want.
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But I would say, generally speaking, men don't.
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Like, okay, you wear a little mascara or you wear a little eyeliner or whatever.
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But, like, I think when guys, most guys definitely will start being like,
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it's a bit much when it's, like, caked on, full face, foundation, et cetera, et cetera.
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I'm six feet one inch, so I'm just arguing for the short kings out there.
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Ladies, makeup, extensions, eyelashes, lip fillers, implants, barrels, high heels.
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Men may lie about height and how rich they are,
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but women lie about how good they look in their way.
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Did you guys have a response to anything that was said in the TTSs?
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I don't think that women wearing makeup is, like, generally always for men.
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Well, I didn't say that, but what we were talking about is one of you mentioned that,
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and this was just in response to what one of you said.
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well, they lie about their appearance through makeup and filters,
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Can you at least agree that using filters on a dating app is disingenuous?
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Because that, you can say what you will about makeup
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However, filters, Photoshop, that Facetune, that does not exist in real life.
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And I definitely see a lot of girls use filters on dating apps.
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Honestly, be careful of the guys that use face filters
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and it's really bad if they don't have at least one photo
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I want to ask you guys your thought on this quote.
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like if you're perceiving makeup and a woman's looks as a lie
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because she changes or she adds makeup to her face,
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that's just weird because why are you thinking makeup is a lie?
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Like if your face is a canvas and you put like makeup on it,
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you're just enhancing or adding features that are already there.
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like she's still going to look ugly just like with makeup.
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Well, and I think there's obviously degrees to makeup, right?
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Just a full-on beat down of like that brow pomade from 2016 type of cut crease glitter.
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I think that's what they're thinking of when they talk about makeup.
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Like when you hug them, your face comes off on their jacket.
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Like, I mean, the big thing for me is if they like get their makeup all over the bed
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And if you like kiss a girl and that shit rubs off on you,
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Lipstick, but like the powder, if it's on her face, it'll like...
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Yo, Derek, I'm preempting this TTS that's going to come through.
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It was this article with like women who had makeup
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Um, Eric, if you just open another tab in the other window
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and just type in makeup, it might autocomplete.
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Um, I don't know if this is going to come up though.
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Um, but basically, it was photos like before and after photos
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I don't think the average girl is beating her face that hard.
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Being a man that is considered in the top 2% of men,
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As well, I don't care about your makeup, nails, or shoes.
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Are you going treat me with respect and be respectable as a wife should be?
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Well, my understanding, from what I know about...
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Well, me and Derek, I know Derek, and he owns, like, at least seven oil derricks in the Texas
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And so he just flies out on the helicopters, lands on the oil derricks, extracts that shit.
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You know, Tormund, the big guy with the red hair and the beard.
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Well, let's get back to the dating app review here before the girls get too pissed off at
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You can close out the ones that we opened with Sam.
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Um, I'm a nihilist, so I reject all religion and morals.
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It's really that I just, I don't really take the dating apps too seriously.
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I mean, kind of the nonchalant demeanor that I bring to the table.
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I want to speak on all women because, like, that's not my place.
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But I would say for me personally, it's for myself.
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If, like, I need more of, like, a confidence boost or, you know, like, you're just, a lot
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of times for girls, I know this works for my friends too, like, makeup can be therapy
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where you're just having, like, a really bad day.
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And for your own, like, want, you do, like, new makeup looks for fun.
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And it's just not really, like, something I do for the, for men.
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Um, I think makeup, you know, it can come from, it can stem from insecurity for sure.
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I mean, girls that wear a lot of foundation might have acne that they're trying to cover
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And I respect them trying to, like, people do get bullied for acne and stuff.
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So, if they want to cover that up, that's kind of their decision.
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I mean, people make careers on TikTok because of making awesome makeup things.
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I don't think it's something to take that seriously.
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I don't think it's something to have a huge problem with.
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I mean, there are definitely girls who don't wear makeup.
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So, if you want a girl that doesn't wear makeup, you can find that.
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Um, I think what Sam said, it's, like, relaxing.
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I find it therapeutic and it's really fun to, like, get ready for the day.
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Can I have you tilt the microphone down towards you?
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Sometimes maybe I'll, like, wake up with, like, bags under my eyes.
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And, like, before I go to class, I'll, like, just put some concealer under.
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Um, I have the same thing where it's just for me.
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I will go to one class with no makeup or, like, the next day I could show up with makeup.
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It's just about whether I wanted to put it on that day or not.
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Or, like, it's, like, a Valentine's Day look or something like that.
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And it can add a lot and show a lot about your personality, I think.
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Generally, same concept of it's just I like to do it for myself.
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I mean, some days I don't, like, wear any makeup at all.
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And I can wear the makeup the next day and feel just as good.
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Ladies, high-status men are accomplished, intelligent, successful, witty, charming, strong in stature,
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gifted in several realms of human indivour, desired by a large percentage of women,
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I like to wear makeup to accentuate my features.
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So, that's why I like doing a nice winged eyeliner and a lash.
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But some days, you know, I don't feel like wearing makeup at all.
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And, um, you know, I've been, like I said earlier on in the introduction,
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um, I've been with my boyfriend for two years and he likes me with or without.
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And honestly, it doesn't, it doesn't really matter if you wear makeup or not
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because you're going to be picked down anyways, clearly from the chat.
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I feel like I wear makeup somewhat for myself, but mostly I work in the beauty industry.
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If I'm going to show up to work and I'm selling beauty, I'm doing somebody's hair,
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they're not, if I don't look put together, they're going to probably look at me different.
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And if I have no means to wear makeup, I'm not going to wear it.
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And that's my personal, that's my personal opinion.
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I'm wearing it right now because I felt like I'd put myself together.
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But my skin is sensitive, so if I wear makeup, it usually will cause it to flare up.
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So, um, usually I'll put it on for other people when I'm going to work, but that's about it.
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The TTS seems to be a little bit delayed, but we did fix the TTS.
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Uh, used to, I have to finish, like, the last sentence, so I'm just preempting the, uh, TTS to come in here.
00:44:44.520
If you need a confidence boost, you are looking for an external source to tell you how much you supposedly look vile-like source as TDMs.
00:44:52.540
If it was only for yourself, you wouldn't post it on public social media.
00:45:01.140
Um, okay, so, a confidence boost, what I mean by that is, like, when I'm done and then I look in the mirror and I'm looking at myself and I'm not posting anything because I don't really post, like, hey, like, I just did my makeup.
00:45:11.880
It's for me to look at myself and to feel more, like, I don't know, like, if I'm having, like, not a great day or, like, something's going on, I would like that boost.
00:45:25.480
Brian, makeup is a feature enhancer and is not always a lie.
00:45:29.740
Women wear makeup to attract men and bolster their status.
00:45:35.100
That doesn't mean makeup is a lie because they almost always look the same, but not as good with it often.
00:45:49.640
I feel like that's, like, more of, like, a middle ground or, like, a better way of looking at it.
00:45:52.760
Well, I don't, so, I don't think that women wear makeup exclusively for men, but I don't want to think of it in, like, absolutes because someone, some women will say, I don't wear makeup for men.
00:46:03.540
But to some degree, I think women will wear makeup for a variety of reasons.
00:46:08.460
And, for example, if you go on a date, you might put on some makeup before so you can look nice and presentable for your date.
00:46:15.000
Or you might be going out to a, you might be single on the prowl and you might want to make your appearance, enhance your appearance a bit, perhaps, so that you might get a second glance from that guy.
00:46:27.900
So, I don't think women 100% wear makeup for men, but I think to say that there's no component of it, and some of you are bisexual, so perhaps you might also want to attract women, too.
00:46:42.080
I wanted to see if I can find that photo really quick.
00:46:46.440
Do you guys want to give your, any further takes on makeup or respond to any of these?
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So, we'll come back to makeup if need be, but I will try to pull it up later once we react to some other stuff.
00:47:08.400
Eric, can you pull up the rest of Fiona's dating profile?
00:47:18.080
You're not a nihilist, but sort of a nihilist, apparently.
00:47:22.560
Did you thoroughly explain the whole not caring thing?
00:47:25.880
I was just saying that the whole caring thing is I just, I don't put too much care into the apps, the dating apps, or the dating scene as much.
00:47:37.280
So, of those of you that are on dating apps, we'll go around the table.
00:47:41.320
Have you ever, have any of you met up with someone from a dating app?
00:47:50.580
I've met up with someone, with someone else and their date before.
00:47:57.800
And then I've also met up with people that I knew prior, and then we both matched with each other.
00:48:03.680
So, we kind of knew we liked each other, and then we met up.
00:48:08.620
It was a Raya date, and he was going to his house in Tulum, and he invited us to go.
00:48:20.880
So, he said, you two can come and come to my house in Tulum, and it'll be like a date,
00:48:28.260
And Raya is kind of like, it's sort of a celebrity.
00:48:33.820
Celebrities are on it, but there's regular people on it, too.
00:48:40.620
So, people, you will match with people like in New York or other places.
00:48:47.480
But can't you limit it to, in the same way with the other dating apps, you can limit it
00:48:56.000
Well, in any case, okay, so you matched, he was in New York?
00:48:58.840
He was in New York, but he was going to his house in Tulum.
00:49:03.060
And so, okay, you're in Santa Barbara, correct?
00:49:09.700
See, I mean, this is one of the reasons why I think dating is so fucked up is because
00:49:15.140
10, 20 years ago, if a girl lived in Idaho, her dating pool was the dudes in Idaho, in
00:49:25.280
Like, the people she worked with, her friend circle, maybe if she went to bars or clubs
00:49:32.560
Now, like, even just like, like a good-looking girl in, I don't know, Redding, California.
00:49:42.840
Like, some dude in L.A., some dude in Miami, hey, let me fly you out.
00:49:58.220
And I think it's an effect on more than just dating, too.
00:50:00.980
Yeah, it has a huge effect on, like, our whole generation and the way we, like, look towards
00:50:06.220
There's definitely an impact on both men and women, but there's certainly no 19-year-old
00:50:10.420
men who are getting DM'd by wealthy women in Miami and L.A. to get flown out, but...
00:50:22.360
The exception does not make the rule, so are there sugar mamas?
00:50:31.880
So there are sugar mamas out there, but the exception does not make the rule.
00:51:22.720
I swear to God, they did not have sex, and he was...
00:51:28.020
Well, he initially said, don't expect anything.
00:51:31.280
I actually have another girl coming, and she likes to hook up, too.
00:51:36.180
And so we didn't expect anything, and we got there, and then the next day, he said, oh,
00:51:50.780
So you matched on a dating app, yet it was a purely platonic...
00:51:55.380
Raya can also be, like, for networking as well, because you can do here just for friends.
00:52:10.740
No, he didn't really want to connect us with people.
00:52:14.340
Well, so because you said Raya's a networking app, but...
00:52:36.920
Which is, like, a very popular, kind of snazzy tourist destination, right?
00:53:17.900
And I came back and slept with the broke 24-year-old that I was sleeping with instead.
00:53:28.860
But that opportunity doesn't really exist for men.
00:54:10.060
Oh, it might have been because we were hiding in the...
00:54:26.800
I grew up in a house full of women and makeup is more for the woman's confidence.
00:54:31.860
I know the top 2% of men is the goal for most women to date.
00:54:36.100
Oftentimes, women don't know what that looks like or the amount of time away they will have to accept.
00:54:45.080
The one where most women only want to date the top 2% of men.
00:54:53.680
Because, I don't know, this is for me, but for me, I'm a hopeless romantic and I don't really care if you're wealthy or if you're that.
00:55:00.480
Like, I just really want to, like, date someone for the experience of, like, that person in themselves.
00:55:05.580
And for, like, us falling in love with each other has nothing to do with, like, their wealth status or their class or anything like that.
00:55:15.120
So, I mean, I'd say most people, when they're in, you know, in college, typically someone's finances, chiefly because most of the people, most of the guys your age, they're not, they're in college.
00:55:30.820
Although there's a, Santa Barbara's a fairly affluent area, so there's a lot of trust fund kids going to SBCC and whatnot.
00:55:38.300
But I would say definitely for younger, younger people, younger women, money isn't really a huge factor, but it does, money does become a bit more important to women as I think they, as they get a bit older.
00:55:55.920
If a guy, so if a guy has status, that doesn't matter?
00:55:58.920
No, I don't care whether they have status or not, like, or clout or anything like that.
00:56:03.800
If Timothy Chalamet slides into your DMs, he's not getting a response?
00:56:11.440
He's good looking, too, by which he looks like.
00:56:16.660
I, he, I do think he's good looking, but he's not generally my type.
00:56:22.380
I kind of, like, I don't really have, like, a certain type.
00:56:25.780
Like, I think if you're just attractive and funny, like, I would just, like, you don't
00:56:29.480
have to be, like, I don't know, like, white boys or, like, Mexicans.
00:56:38.100
So, you were, you were saying that you don't really care about money.
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And a couple of other of you disagreed about the, disagree that women are chasing after
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I mean, I hear different numbers, top 10%, top 5%, but you disagree with that?
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Except for you and you, if you're on a dating app.
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What percentage of men would you say, what percentage of men that you see would you say
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So, which, like, you don't have to give exact number, but what percent, oh, hold on.
00:57:24.700
These girls don't care about a successful guy such as myself.
00:57:29.280
They want to get run through by chads and tirons of this young agent that will lower their
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value as we know it as they get older and want to settle for the guys that are waiting
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The TTS guy had, like, a stroke midway through there.
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I think as you kind of mature, um, and I'm speaking for my own experience.
00:58:03.620
As I started, you know, um, building a career and making more money, I, I really look for
00:58:14.980
Because I have been in relationships in the past where it was very one-sided.
00:58:19.680
I was paying for everything and I don't want that anymore.
00:58:27.200
And, um, I think now when you do get to that point where you're, you know, successful in a way,
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um, you do seek that out in another partner to match that.
00:58:40.640
And that's, that's just my personal experience because it is exhausting pulling the weight
00:58:47.860
I agree with that in the sense that, like, if I have, like, my situation together, I mean,
00:58:53.760
I do want to look for someone who has, like, life goals or, like, who has, like, stuff like
00:58:58.600
I, obviously right now, like, I'm younger, so I don't really care about, like, money
00:59:03.780
But it would suck to date, like, some guy that's just, just bumming it on some, their
00:59:15.440
When you say don't have their situation together, what do you mean?
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I'm obviously not going to, like, I mean, you never know.
00:59:23.060
But, like, um, if they, like, I mean, they, I want them to have goals or, like, outlooks
00:59:28.220
on lives of, like, what they want to do with their life or, like, you know, like, have
00:59:32.500
morals and, like, things they stand with and, like, you know, stuff like that.
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Ladies, trust me, when you get a bit older, you will care.
00:59:44.120
You'll want a successful man to give yourself the best chance for yourself and your offspring.
00:59:51.560
Biology trumps nurture, social constructs, and modernity.
01:00:00.080
I mean, I would agree that, like, drive and, like, the wanting to do the best in your life
01:00:06.500
is far more attractive than just wanting to make purely financial growth alone.
01:00:15.220
So, did any of you disagree with the previous, excuse me, with the previous, oh, my God.
01:00:22.460
The previous TTS where he said women are all chasing after the top percent of men, the top
01:00:27.480
10, top 20 percent of men, or I think he said top 2 percent of men.
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Derek, I think I disagree with you slightly there.
01:00:32.840
I think, well, obviously people want to get the best that they can get, but I think it's,
01:00:38.000
I mean, I think it's attractive, again, like, for guys that are chasing towards being the
01:00:46.800
top 5 or top 10, but, I mean, just having that and no substance behind their person,
01:00:55.360
So, the question I was going to ask in response to that is, so, what percent of men that you
01:01:01.060
find attractive, and let's start with just the dating apps first.
01:01:04.100
So, what do you swipe, what's your swipe percentage?
01:01:08.800
I mean, with the guys that interact with me, I'd probably say, like, 40 to, like.
01:01:14.880
You swipe on 50, like, you swipe yes for 50 percent of the men?
01:01:19.680
No, like, 40 percent is what I would swipe, or, like, 30 percent.
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On probably, like, of the people who like me, probably, like, 10 or 20 percent.
01:01:58.060
Like, probably, like, 30, but, like, I would not think it's below 30.
01:02:00.820
It's, like, for the people who interact with me, yeah, 100 percent.
01:02:08.880
Well, so, I mean, just on the dating apps alone, you guys, three of you are going for the top 10 or top 20 percent of men.
01:02:16.780
Um, and then, some of you said that you, I don't know if we went around on this.
01:02:22.800
You guys, oh, no, oh, I remember what we were going around on, which led to the Tulum thing.
01:02:26.980
If you ever met someone off of a dating app, you said no, never met a guy on a dating app, correct?
01:02:33.420
You had the one time with the friend in Tulum, but never, like.
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No, if I saw someone I knew and we, like, matched, then I would meet up with them.
01:02:41.500
But you've never, like, totally new guy, never met him before, right?
01:02:47.580
Have you ever gone out on a date ever from a dating app?
01:02:54.520
Have I ever met with someone from a dating app?
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How long, really quick, just how long have you been on dating apps?
01:03:03.880
Um, I've had Hinge for, like, a month and a half now.
01:03:17.440
Um, I delete it and re-download it, but I got it.
01:03:23.200
But I got it when I was, like, freshly 18, probably.
01:03:30.840
Okay, so, um, none of you have really been on dates, really, from the dating apps.
01:03:39.920
Um, I assume, though, I mean, we looked, I think two of you had 50-plus pending matches.
01:03:45.220
Um, is there any reason you guys don't want to meet up with any guys from dating apps?
01:03:50.600
Um, I'm sure there's attractive guys hitting you up that are prepared to, I mean, it's Valentine's Day, right?
01:03:55.300
We're all, except for two of us at this table, we're all forever alone.
01:04:01.220
Um, so, uh, I suppose, I'm sure you had some potential men who would be more than glad to take you out on dates.
01:04:09.420
It's just not interested, and what's, what's the situation?
01:04:13.840
Uh, for me, I don't know, like, I think, I don't really, I'm not, I don't feed in too much into the dating app,
01:04:18.600
which is probably why I have, like, 50-plus, because I don't really go on it that much.
01:04:22.060
I did start my account, like, I was with my friends, and they're like, oh, you should get Hinge.
01:04:25.640
Like, it's such, it's, like, not a dumb dating app at all, so I was like, okay, I tried it out.
01:04:30.040
Like, the first week was probably, like, the one week I was actually, like, active on it,
01:04:33.600
and then after, I just kind of gave up on it, because I, like.
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It's just, there's too much, and it's also, like,
01:04:39.420
I, the online meeting just isn't the same as, like, in-person meeting someone.
01:04:47.020
Yeah, and there's that sort of awkwardness with, uh, online.
01:04:52.160
You don't know, you like, am I gonna get murdered type shit, you know?
01:04:57.200
Um, well, kind of bringing it back to real life, um, what percentage of men would you say that you see
01:05:03.880
just out in real life that you find attractive?
01:05:10.700
So, obviously, there's men that are probably, like, you, you go to Trader Joe's,
01:05:15.060
and you see 50-year-olds, you're probably not attracted to them.
01:05:17.520
So, like, of the men, like, that you see that you think are within your age cohort,
01:05:24.000
Um, what percentage of them would you say you find attractive?
01:05:39.640
I feel like there's a lot of cute boys in Santa Barbara.
01:05:45.960
Yeah, I feel like everyone in Santa Barbara, for the most part, is, like, an eight or higher.
01:05:50.360
Yeah, no, everyone in Santa Barbara is pretty attractive here.
01:05:58.220
What percentage of them, speaking for your friends?
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I mean, my friends generally think we have a pretty poor pool to work with at our school.
01:06:16.400
Just, like, men are not at the mature level that some of my friends are hoping that they
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Just the commitment that my friends are wanting are not what the men are ready to give.
01:06:44.920
What is decent treatment from a frat guy or a college boy?
01:07:02.480
Do you think that women, when you say honesty, what do you mean?
01:07:08.160
I mean, some of the men say, like, oh, I'm just seeing you, or I'm just, it's like, it's
01:07:27.620
I mean, it definitely doesn't seem to be the case.
01:07:31.700
At least in 2023, most people are like, fucking this guy over here.
01:07:36.460
People, both men and women, sleeping with multiple people.
01:07:39.400
So, that does, unfortunately, I think, seem to be the case.
01:07:45.000
They're not talking to any other guys, but they're finding, they're having trouble getting
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I mean, it's not like it's a perfect, everyone has, like, a perfect situation.
01:07:57.680
But, I mean, college is, college relationships are just messy in general.
01:08:10.400
I mean, it's just like, if you ask them a question, just getting a point blank answer
01:08:17.360
It's just kind of like, you ask a question and you expect the genuine response.
01:08:24.220
So, I think it sounds like the main issue you have is, like, the guys, they're kind
01:08:29.160
of, they're afraid of commitment, and they're lying to the girls that they're just seeing
01:08:44.540
Do you think, and your girlfriends, they're just seeing that guy?
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Because women have way more options than men do.
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I mean, it depends what your, like, social pool is.
01:08:59.560
Unless you're, like, a male celebrity, almost every single woman has more options than most
01:09:04.340
Well, like, for college, like, going, like, at frat parties or whatever, the ratio is,
01:09:11.160
So, it's not, like, in those scenarios, it's not, like...
01:09:26.040
Well, yeah, let's not get you in trouble, but...
01:09:28.460
Okay, so, would you guys agree that you think men are not so interested in commitment?
01:09:56.880
Like, is it predetermined, like, every single Friday and Saturday, we're going out to DP,
01:10:05.180
But if, like, our friend texts us and is, like, hey, someone's, like, doing something
01:10:08.060
special or there's something, like, we'll make it, make sure to go out.
01:10:11.840
So, let me ask, how frequently do you guys go out to parties, bars, clubs?
01:10:24.880
Like, as of right now, we haven't gone out for a really long time, but probably, like,
01:10:33.820
I'm sober right now, so I'm not going out and getting drunk at bars.
01:10:37.900
But when I am, probably, like, maybe once a week or same thing, two to three times a
01:10:47.160
I mean, there's definitely phases of going out a little bit more summertime calls for
01:11:04.640
I wouldn't say I'd be going out a lot more, but I'd probably be hanging out with, like,
01:11:30.140
So, you have a boyfriend, but it's long distance.
01:11:33.320
So, and, I mean, UCSB, it was ranked the number one party school in the nation.
01:11:37.420
It's been known as a top party school for decades at this point.
01:11:44.000
And sorority, they often go to fraternity parties and whatnot.
01:11:47.900
Has your boyfriend ever had or voiced any issues or concerns with not wanting you to, like,
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It's, like, I go for the social, like, to hang out with my friends kind of thing.
01:12:09.500
And we just, I don't know, we have very fluid communication.
01:12:17.800
I think one of the big things, I don't know how long I want to stay on this one just because
01:12:21.680
I want to continue with our dating app review, but I think one of the big things when it
01:12:27.180
comes to commitment and being in a relationship, one thing that a lot of men want, and I honestly
01:12:32.160
think women ought to desire it, too, is if you want commitment, you really shouldn't
01:12:41.560
be going out and partying with your single friends, going to the bar, and going to the
01:12:46.460
I think that's really bad, bad for relationships.
01:12:52.520
You didn't ask me if I wanted commitment, and I don't want commitment, so...
01:12:56.120
Well, it was more so in response to her because she said her friends are kind of, they're
01:13:01.760
desirous of commitment, yet the guys are not willing to commit.
01:13:09.280
Wait, so wait, are you still asking about the...
01:13:14.520
Are you all desirous of a relationship right now?
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Because some people, they just kind of want to be single and...
01:13:23.580
You're not thirsty for it, but like you want...
01:13:36.260
However, he has one kind of condition, and his condition is...
01:13:41.080
He doesn't want you going to parties, bars, and clubs.
01:13:54.980
Chelsea coming out with her doomed relationship with her feels.
01:14:00.100
Ladies, would you get rid of your social media presence if the guy you are in a serious relationship
01:14:05.180
asked you to in order to maintain that relationship?
01:14:13.140
I would want to have a conversation with them and be like, why?
01:14:16.000
Like, what's the issue with, like, me having an Instagram account or, like, something like
01:14:24.500
I don't really take social media that seriously, so, like, I guess if he really cared.
01:14:36.960
I just want to know why my relationship is doomed.
01:14:49.820
What if your boyfriend was like, yo, get rid of the Instagram?
01:14:54.220
Well, it's hard because that's how I, that's where I post my tattoos.
01:15:07.580
Maybe if it was my personal account, we could talk about it, but my hair account, that's
01:15:16.200
By the way, guys, hairdressers, are you a hairdresser?
01:15:28.540
But, it's kind of like horse, it's kind of like horse girls, too.
01:15:41.160
It seems like hairdressers and horse, horse girls are crazy.
01:15:54.620
Okay, so, oh, okay, so, the original thing was.
01:16:06.880
Okay, but do you know why that's, like, a problem for most guys?
01:16:09.720
Like, what is it about going out that, like, I mean, I haven't met a guy, or that's such
01:16:13.500
a lie, but, like, the people I'm looking for, they, like, haven't been, like, right now,
01:16:17.820
haven't been, like, oh, you can't go out, but, like, I know that is true, because my
01:16:20.660
ex was like that, and he was super, like, if you go out, like, we're over.
01:16:27.300
Yeah, I'll address that, but have you guys ever, have you heard any guys, maybe a guy
01:16:33.140
you're interested in, have you heard him have an issue with wanting to date a girl that
01:16:41.860
You have, no, no, but some of you have, some of you haven't, okay.
01:16:48.160
Big issue with it, and he didn't want you doing what, just going out with your friend?
01:16:52.520
Like, it was, like, high school parties, like, stuff like that, and he would be, like, no,
01:16:56.040
like, or I would invite him, because I was, like, you know, come with me, like, we're
01:16:59.460
dating, I would like you to be with me, like, you're my partner, and he was, he was
01:17:03.680
still, like, I would take him with me, and then we would get in arguments at the
01:17:06.540
party, because he just was, like, I don't want to be here, let's go,
01:17:09.440
let's leave, or, like, certain things like that, where he was just, like, I don't want
01:17:12.360
you going out, period, or, like, even hanging out with, like, guy friends that, like, you
01:17:20.660
Okay, so, and so your question is, why do you guys...
01:17:26.100
Is there no level, like, of trust in the relationship?
01:17:28.240
Yeah, because I feel like the huge problem is with trust, like, I mean, I feel like this
01:17:32.080
whole thing with, like, social media and stuff, like, it's caused a lot of trust issues
01:17:35.560
and insecurities in relationships, and, like, I feel like if we have a good level
01:17:39.420
of communication and trust, obviously, I'm not going to ghost you the whole night, I'm
01:17:42.780
going to, like, keep you updated, let you know what happens, but, like, I feel like
01:17:46.500
why wouldn't we be able to have trust, you know what I mean?
01:17:53.420
Bars, clubs, and parties, I know you guys, I mean, I don't know if you guys have fake
01:17:58.580
IDs, you two, or if you guys go to bars and clubs and stuff, parties are basically the
01:18:03.780
same thing, at least college-type parties, there's a lot of drinking, a lot of people
01:18:09.740
Okay, let me ask one more question, and then I'll give you my take.
01:18:12.340
Do you guys think it's insecure for a guy to not want his girlfriend to be going out?
01:18:25.320
I think sometimes insecurity can be a factor, but that doesn't make it any less valid, and
01:18:31.180
there could also just be, like, oh, I want you to, like, spend time with me instead.
01:18:39.320
Do you think if a guy didn't want his girlfriend going out to party, bars, clubs, do you think
01:18:47.620
I mean, if the reasoning is because I want you to stay home with me, I want to, like,
01:18:51.020
I want us to hang out, I want to have movie nights, I want us to go on dates together
01:18:55.300
and look at the stars or whatever, that's not insecurity, that's just wanting to spend
01:18:59.740
But if it's because, like, I'm going to be at work and I don't want to know you're out
01:19:04.080
without me, I think that comes from some type of distrust in his girlfriend.
01:19:10.440
So then that needs to be communicated and they need to talk to me about that.
01:19:12.760
Yeah, so let's not assume that it's because he, maybe he does want to spend time with you,
01:19:25.060
I think it's more of a guy being like, what do you need to get up and, like, get dressed
01:19:34.020
Which I can see how you guys think it comes off as insecurity, but I think that's the main
01:19:38.340
thing in a guy's head because, personally, I've been in a relationship before where we
01:19:43.200
started out going to parties and then all of a sudden he was like, yo, like, why do you
01:19:48.720
And then I stopped and then he started going out and I was like, what does he need to get
01:19:56.960
And so that was the, that was the conflict that came out of our relationship and obviously
01:20:04.260
So I prefer to stay home when I'm in a relationship, but if I do go out, I want him to come with
01:20:22.360
So, and obviously I think there's degrees to this.
01:20:25.680
For example, if a girl like is going out Thursday, Friday, Saturday versus like occasionally
01:20:34.440
I think still there's some, can be some issues there, but.
01:20:38.420
Also, I mean, if her friends are single, they want to go out probably to be talking to
01:20:47.300
So if that's the way she has to hang out with her girlfriends or single girlfriends, they
01:20:51.720
don't, they're not going to want to have a movie night all the time, you know, inside.
01:21:03.600
Like, well, a wingman's job would be to entertain the other guy while your girlfriend is talking.
01:21:11.740
Well, that's what a male wingman would do, would be talking to like the friend.
01:21:15.780
I mean like going to the guy and being like, hey, my friend thinks you're cute.
01:21:24.800
Multiple studies, AMA, Yale, et cetera, show a strong link between regular social media use
01:21:31.860
and increased depression, anxiety, loneliness, self-harm, and self-deletion.
01:21:38.200
SM promotes self-hate, inadequacy about one's own life.
01:21:44.660
Yeah, I mean, definitely social media is, I think it's terrible for both men and women.
01:21:50.120
There's, you're comparing your, there's a, I don't know the exact quote, but basically
01:21:58.660
Like, you know, you're seeing them on vacations and their life looks great, but,
01:22:02.920
so you're making some comparisons and then people are, you know, photoshopping,
01:22:09.240
the fucking chicks are squeezing their, their, uh, cinching their waist to ridiculous proportions.
01:22:17.440
So, yeah, I think it's bad for both men and women.
01:22:21.280
So, you said that, um, you would wing woman, go up to the dude and, and say that my friend
01:22:30.860
So, you would approach on your girlfriend's behalf.
01:22:34.540
So, that's a little, I want to touch on something related to that.
01:22:37.900
I will come back to the bar and nightclub thing.
01:22:39.980
Um, so let me ask, have you guys ever done that?
01:22:45.140
Where like, you go up to a guy for your girlfriend and you're like, hey, did you see my friend
01:23:24.720
If a guy came up to you and said, hey, do you see my guy friend over there?
01:23:44.720
Oh, I mean, if they were, like, if they were attractive enough, like, in my, like, like,
01:23:50.060
and I thought, like, oh, they could dress well, and I, like, liked their vibe they're
01:23:56.780
If they were hot, I'd be like, tell them to get over here.
01:24:08.980
I think you, I mean, you might, if you're, you can add all in, oh, he has to be attractive
01:24:14.120
Um, I do think that you would be turned off if a guy had to have his friend sent on his
01:24:21.520
You would much prefer the guy to just have the confidence.
01:24:24.200
I don't think I would really care, like, if I saw someone who was, like, like, attractive
01:24:28.060
and they were, like, friend told me, like, oh, they find you attractive.
01:24:30.780
If anything, I'd be like, whoa, this person finds me attractive.
01:24:34.860
All things being equal, would you prefer the guy to just have the confidence to just go up
01:24:41.740
You wouldn't, there wouldn't be some part of you that's like, why, why didn't he just
01:24:54.160
Yeah, but so the guy comes up to you and he says, oh, my friend's really shy and he's
01:24:58.720
kind of, you see him kind of nervous there in the same way that your girlfriend might
01:25:04.780
So that's why I feel like I would understand it more because I, like, I might be nervous and sometimes
01:25:11.280
Wait, do you think the wing woman thing doesn't work or?
01:25:13.660
Well, what I'm saying is, is that the situation that you described where you as the wing woman,
01:25:18.560
you go up to a guy and you say, hey, my friend over there, my girlfriend over there thinks
01:25:23.220
That would almost, I can't imagine why that would not work on a guy.
01:25:31.240
However, I can definitely see girls being like, well, if he's the type of guy that doesn't
01:25:35.520
have the confidence to just come up to me and he's sending his guy friend to do it,
01:25:42.000
If he's in the corner shaking like a chihuahua and he looks scared, yeah, I'm probably not
01:25:50.180
And honestly, if he's attractive to me, there's not much stopping me from.
01:25:56.860
Just sort of a little tangent there, just because it was interesting you brought that
01:25:59.540
up and I thought the reverse, it just wouldn't, it wouldn't work.
01:26:05.020
Perhaps it could, but more likely than not, it's just as a guy, the best thing to do is
01:26:11.300
So let's bring it back to the bar and club and party thing.
01:26:14.700
So did you get to say, do you think it's insecure if?
01:26:19.780
Like, I mean, obviously it depends on the situation, but yeah.
01:26:23.260
If he doesn't want his girlfriend to go out to bars and clubs and parties.
01:26:25.740
I mean, I feel like some scenarios would be very valid and understandable, but I'm sure
01:26:34.020
Well, so I would say this, what I think, and I've heard this from a few women, you know,
01:26:41.720
What you call insecurity, I call having a boundary.
01:26:48.700
And I think that's completely fine if a guy's like, hey, look, I have a boundary and I don't
01:26:54.160
And like, that's where I'm going to draw the line.
01:26:56.120
And like, if you don't want to be with me, then you don't want to be with me.
01:26:58.380
And I feel like it's completely fine for the girl or someone else to be like, okay, well
01:27:03.140
And that's where we have different boundaries and that's completely fine.
01:27:06.380
And like, I appreciate you setting a boundary, but I'm not going to go for it.
01:27:09.600
Especially the culture at this age, like a lot of people go out on the weekends.
01:27:13.520
So if you're not part of that, you're just, it's like, what are you doing?
01:27:17.780
If he, if it's not for a reason that he wants to be with you outside of the party, he just
01:27:23.340
expects you to sit at home alone when everyone else is out like socializing.
01:27:31.740
If he wants time with you, I think that's totally valid.
01:27:34.900
But perhaps there's a weekend he can't hang out, but he still doesn't, you know.
01:27:43.000
So just to have a relationship between the two of you, not really having other people.
01:27:50.220
Well, I, with these environments, people go out to parties, people go out to clubs, people
01:27:58.860
Perhaps not the full and exclusive reason, but a big reason is to meet people.
01:28:03.920
They're, they're quite literally social gatherings.
01:28:07.000
Because if, if you just wanted to hang out with your girlfriends, you could just, and I
01:28:10.200
know, look, some girls do this, but why not just get a ball of wine, hang out at your
01:28:16.920
house, it's warm, it's safe, it's comfortable, and just hang out.
01:28:22.060
Also, I, if there was like an all, I mean, I could be wrong, but most women who are single
01:28:27.540
would not go to a bar if it was like only women in the bar.
01:28:34.020
I literally saw something on my For You page, or like on TikTok the other day, where it's
01:28:37.260
like, we threw an all girls party, and it was like, a band was playing, and it was just
01:28:41.820
I feel like that'd be really fun, like just to go for your outfit.
01:28:44.700
Well, I think some of you might be bi, so maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing.
01:28:56.040
Did it ever occur to any of you that he is trying to protect you from getting into bad situations
01:29:03.280
So, I mean, my recommendation to men is, is just don't be in a serious relationship
01:29:09.880
with a woman who doesn't realize the importance of limiting their own behavior to protect the
01:29:17.600
Like, I don't know, if you respect your partner, you don't engage in activities essentially
01:29:26.860
I, but I think that the bar and nightlife is just part of young people's culture.
01:29:34.580
I wish more people weren't drinking so much, and I wish there was more, like, outdoor activities
01:29:38.680
But, like, in New York City, that's the main thing to do.
01:29:42.080
So, if other people, if everyone else is doing it, I feel like going out once in a while is
01:29:48.820
just, like, not, it's not something that's going to kill your relationship.
01:29:53.620
Like, you could be put in situations where a guy comes up to you and flirts with you.
01:30:01.680
So, you can, as a girl, you can be approached anywhere by a guy flirting with you.
01:30:08.240
What about, what about if you're in her situation where she's sober?
01:30:12.100
She's very well aware, and I'm just, it's just a general question.
01:30:17.160
She's very well aware of what's going on around her.
01:30:20.040
Would a guy feel more comfortable if their girlfriend, wife, fiance, significant other
01:30:38.540
So, just on that one metric alone, I want reciprocity in a partner.
01:30:44.460
But, I mean, it's definitely a pro for me if a girl, like, doesn't drink or drinks in
01:30:54.020
But, it's, it's better than her going to the club and getting fucking tanked.
01:30:59.000
But, it's still, for me, it's still a little bit, like, iffy, you know?
01:31:07.560
But, you mentioned, like, you get hit on at the doctor, right?
01:31:11.400
Like, I'm sure, I don't know if any of you go to, like, Trader Joe's.
01:31:15.120
Maybe you get a pro, I don't know if you've been approached.
01:31:19.860
Okay, so, yeah, you can, like, I'm not, I wouldn't say, like, oh, you can't go to
01:31:28.460
It has to do specifically with these very, very specific environments, which there's
01:31:34.100
alcohol involved, there's, I mean, there's partying, there's drugs.
01:31:39.920
People do go to these environments, both men and women, not all of them, but do go to
01:31:44.840
these environments with the intention of maybe hooking up, maybe getting laid, maybe
01:31:49.280
meeting somebody, whereas nobody goes to Trader Joe's on Tuesday at 3 p.m., like, man, I
01:31:55.700
really hope, like, I meet a dude at fucking Trader Joe's.
01:32:00.560
Like, no, you don't have that intention in mind, but if you go to a bar and a club and
01:32:04.000
you're single, like, there's somewhere in the back of your mind where it's like, oh,
01:32:11.980
And even if there's not, there's a much greater likelihood that, well, it's not a
01:32:16.800
likelihood, it's almost a certainty if you go to a party, bar, or club that a guy's
01:32:21.520
going to hit on you, a guy's going to approach you.
01:32:24.000
So even if you're in a relationship, like, guys are still going to hit on you and you
01:32:29.660
could potentially be put in a compromising position.
01:32:31.860
Also, I don't think any girl has ever gone to Trader Joe's and gotten finger banged by
01:32:39.760
some random hot dude she met in the frozen food section.
01:32:42.160
Well, I'm hoping people in relationships aren't going to bars and getting finger banged in
01:32:46.820
No, but the difference between, like, Trader Joe's, like, going out to Trader Joe's and
01:32:52.400
going out to a bar or club is, for example, if you're single, bra, I've seen some shit.
01:32:57.080
I'm sure you guys have seen some shit at parties, people fucking on couches in the
01:33:02.720
Dude, I've seen some crazy shit at parties, bars, and clubs.
01:33:06.920
So people ain't, like, it ain't going down at Trader Joe's at 3 p.m.
01:33:12.360
My father goes to Trader Joe's to get, to pick up women.
01:33:22.860
Okay, but it's just such a, bars, clubs, and parties are such specific environments where
01:33:29.460
people go with the, perhaps, anticipation that they're going to meet someone.
01:33:34.760
And I would also add to this, have any of you, do any of you have girlfriends or maybe
01:33:39.440
guy friends who you've heard that either their boyfriend or girlfriend cheated on them
01:33:50.060
You guys have friends who have been cheated on, I assume, right?
01:33:53.680
Well, did it happen at Trader Joe's or did it happen at a party?
01:33:58.600
Oops, I made out with somebody, I was drunk, oops, like, oops, I, it just happened.
01:34:07.000
Like, I was shooting on them, nothing to do with a party, nothing to do with Trader Joe's.
01:34:12.500
But alcohol or anything like that, like, it was purely just the person.
01:34:15.820
Like, yes, it can certainly happen in outside context.
01:34:18.620
Like, it could happen some guy hits on her at school or she's, answers a DM, you know,
01:34:30.260
Like, if they cheated at a party, they were going to cheat.
01:34:34.220
Either way, I think they would have, and that relationship was not meant to be, that relationship
01:34:41.920
So it's like you're putting them in that environment, so what?
01:34:44.760
If they do cheat, that's on them and that shows who they are.
01:34:47.300
But has anyone, has anyone ever made a mistake?
01:34:50.580
Like, people cheat, like, they regret it later.
01:34:56.480
If you're, if you know you're going to be in a relationship, you should know, like, that
01:35:00.600
you, as a person, like, won't, like, I feel like cheating is, gets excused as a mistake,
01:35:06.180
It's something, like, you're super conscious about and no matter whether you're drunk or
01:35:12.740
Everyone has a thought where, like, hey, look, I have another person that I'm actually
01:35:19.380
And regardless of whether or not they do that yes or no, it just shows whether or not they
01:35:23.660
It doesn't matter whether they're at a club, at a beach, at someone's house.
01:35:29.640
I'm, there is, there is a component of, of cheating.
01:35:34.240
But even if you have no intention of cheating or cheating doesn't occur, well, first off, I
01:35:39.280
would say if you're putting yourself, you are kind of putting yourself out there and
01:35:45.500
you are, you are putting the relationship at risk to a degree because honestly, all it
01:35:56.040
takes, all it takes is a really attractive guy to step to you and talk to you in the
01:36:02.620
And maybe you had an argument with your boyfriend.
01:36:05.020
Maybe things are a little rocky and you're going to cheat.
01:36:09.580
No, I think if you love someone, I don't think you want to cheat.
01:36:12.980
I think if you love someone, you only see them in your eyes.
01:36:15.900
Do you think someone, do you think someone has loved someone in, so in the, in the entire
01:36:21.440
history of humanity, nobody has ever cheated on someone that they loved?
01:36:28.000
Yeah, I mean, there's exceptions, obviously, like a hundred percent.
01:36:31.820
Well, I had a friend in high school where we were at her house getting ready and her and
01:36:39.360
He wasn't really the best to her, um, they were young, um, and she went out feeling really
01:36:47.600
bad about herself and we went to this party and this guy smooth talked her really well
01:36:53.120
and she was like, it's the best I've heard, like, in the past, I don't even remember what
01:36:57.960
she even said, how long they were together, but, and then she ended up cheating and I was
01:37:02.640
just kind of like, okay, so part of it was an accident because she, he'd smooth talked
01:37:10.840
to her really well and then the other part of me was, she was mad at him, so there must
01:37:17.720
I mean, you preface that he didn't treat her right.
01:37:21.740
Of, like, I'm going to get payback or it's going to be even, it's like, that is definitely
01:37:25.340
her with her intentions wanting that, like, I feel like if I was, I definitely wouldn't
01:37:29.240
It matters what intention you go out with when you're going out on the
01:37:32.940
I mean, most single people are going out with the intention of getting laid and most people
01:37:38.160
that are in relationships hopefully are just there to hang out with their friends or, like,
01:37:42.080
I just know that huge groups of friends, male and women, like, if you work at a restaurant,
01:37:47.200
all those people go get post-ship drinks and that's, like, part of them becoming better
01:37:52.460
You work with those people, you mingle with those people and if you're not going out with
01:37:56.500
them, you're not, like, part of the group as much.
01:38:00.780
Look, it's just, I think it's really just ultimately also, it's just a bad look.
01:38:10.440
You know, hold on, I had to, I'm trying to think what I was aiming for here.
01:38:18.580
It's a bad look to go out to the bars and party when you're in a relationship with your
01:38:27.320
Yeah, because I think single friends are, like, the worst influences.
01:38:40.060
Cheaters will cheat, but you girls need to concede that going to clubs and bars enables
01:38:46.120
There is a connection with cheating and living a promiscuous lifestyle while being in a relationship.
01:38:51.860
There's thing you do and don't do in a relationship.
01:38:54.300
Yeah, I mean, I, my view is, is that you're putting, by doing this, you're putting the
01:39:00.520
relationship at risk and you're free to do whatever you want.
01:39:07.300
And a lot of guys, when it comes to commitment, a lot of guys are going to look at a girl that
01:39:12.660
And by the way, women can feel the same way about men too.
01:39:16.140
So it's, I don't have a double standard on this as a, there's a bit of a difference because
01:39:24.940
Ladies, the point Brian is making is that you're governed by your emotions.
01:39:33.160
You're acting like it's not too epidemic right now.
01:39:36.400
To delusionally believe that you are above it all is just weird.
01:39:43.240
I'm kind of confused with what he said, but like.
01:39:46.420
Well, he's saying like, if you're in your emotions, you're, there's an impulsivity.
01:39:52.740
And when you, if you're drinking and there's a fucking bright lights and excitement and
01:39:57.940
your friends are amping you up and you're dancing to the newest.
01:40:03.900
Obviously, I think like if you're in a relationship, you shouldn't be getting hammered like to the
01:40:09.740
Like you should still have that level of sobriety there.
01:40:12.300
So you like understand like whether like what decisions you're making or what you're doing.
01:40:19.300
So I think the point I was making before the TTS came in is that I wouldn't control a girl.
01:40:25.960
I just, I just would choose not to be in a relationship with a girl that wanted to party all the time.
01:40:38.280
You guys are more compatible if she's not a partier.
01:40:40.400
But if you have guys that want to party, they, yeah, their girls are going to party.
01:40:47.120
Honestly, I think it's weird when you see like couples and shit in the club.
01:40:51.260
Like, why y'all just stay home and watch Netflix?
01:40:54.280
But they're like, they're like devout partiers, you know?
01:40:58.660
They're out here partying at EOS every weekend.
01:41:02.560
I feel like too, like the times that I did go out after my breakup or yeah, after my breakup,
01:41:13.260
all of my ex's friends or just because Santa Barbara is a small town, like everybody was
01:41:18.100
there and if we had been together still and I was at that club and all these guys were
01:41:24.040
like, all of his friends were like looking at me, I feel like they'd also be texting him
01:41:34.920
And also like one thing I think about is like, let's say I was in the club at a party with
01:41:40.980
one of you guys, but I was just like standing across the way.
01:41:43.940
Like I was, I was away from you and like, I guess if what is happening would make me
01:41:50.740
uncomfortable if I, if I was, let's say I'm not in the club, but let's say I, I was, but
01:41:57.580
I was at a distance and I was like observing what was occurring.
01:42:01.220
If something was happening that would like, I would be uncomfortable.
01:42:05.600
I almost feel like you just probably shouldn't be participating in it because like, here's
01:42:10.900
There's some things that might happen and this isn't your fault, but like, if you go
01:42:14.620
to like a party or a bar or club, people are dancing and shit.
01:42:17.580
Like dudes are going to like come up and this is not your fault.
01:42:21.100
I'm not putting the blame on you, but guys are drunk.
01:42:26.580
Like that would make me uncomfortable if I saw that, even if I'm like, so I'm not there.
01:42:31.860
So it's kind of like if it was happening and it would make me uncomfortable, I don't think
01:42:36.360
you should be putting yourself in that position.
01:42:38.140
And again, I'm not putting the blame on you, but there are certain realities to going to
01:42:42.160
these type of environments where there's going to be some, you know, things happen, maybe
01:42:48.720
even not dancing up on you, touching you or whatever, but some guy's going to go up and
01:42:53.160
Like, and if I'm looking at it in the corner, like, I don't know if that's going to make,
01:42:59.820
Well, and also I remember like in our age group or yeah, when I still lived in Ivy and
01:43:06.900
Santa Barbara, a lot of these girls and guys are freshly out of the house and they had no,
01:43:15.360
like they had so many rules over them when they lived at home that now that they're here,
01:43:20.940
Like, you know, so if my boyfriend or whatever were to tell me, Hey, I'm going out to Ivy
01:43:28.140
or I'm going out to a club and I know a bunch of young girls who have always had rules over
01:43:35.660
Like, I'm just going to part of maybe call me insecure, but I'm going to be like, I already
01:43:39.580
know like what's about to go down and it does come down to trust at a certain extent, but
01:43:46.660
It's just like, I don't want to think about it, you know?
01:43:50.640
By the way, guys, get your super chats and I am going to read them soon.
01:43:54.440
Just the conversation has been flowing and we do need to continue with the dating app
01:44:00.120
I guess just really last thing on the bar and bar and club thing.
01:44:02.960
Have any of you ever dated like a guy who's really protective of you?
01:44:12.740
I mean, there are certain things that I like, oh yeah, that's very attractive, but it depends.
01:44:16.440
Have you, did you ever go out with your boyfriend?
01:44:19.280
Was there ever a situation where like maybe he stepped away for a sec and then like a
01:44:24.760
guy had approached you or something at a party?
01:44:27.380
Like has a guy, has it ever like resulted in a fight or anything?
01:44:36.240
Like in a relationship or the fight between us?
01:44:37.720
Like let's say you were at a party with your guy and maybe he steps away and some dude
01:44:45.000
What have you had an experience similar to that?
01:45:03.200
It like wasn't really like a club or a party or anything like that.
01:45:09.060
It was more like a kickback and I invited my boyfriend and honestly, I was really drunk,
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so I don't remember at exactly what point he got mad, but he got really mad.
01:45:23.640
And it was weird because it was all my best friends there and their boyfriends was like
01:45:30.400
So like everyone who was there had someone they were with and I don't know.
01:45:43.920
I was at a party for like one of my friends and then we were all there.
01:45:48.740
He was talking to one of his guy friends and a friend of ours that we both know came up
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to me and he completely forgot he didn't know him.
01:45:55.840
He was like drunk and he like said hi to me and I was like, oh, hey, what's up?
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And then when he then like the guy left and he pulled me aside and he was like, who was
01:46:09.120
And he was like really pissed that I didn't like immediately like call him over or I don't
01:46:15.240
Like I didn't make him in the conversation even though all we said was hi and bye.
01:46:18.760
But and we had to like step outside because he got like super mad about it and it like
01:46:28.860
There was a there's just one of our friends came up to us and that he was just kind of mad
01:46:32.120
that like I he wasn't involved in the conversation.
01:46:35.060
I honestly don't know what triggered him, but he he was like a whole nother ordeal.
01:46:43.780
He kind of just like got mad about the fact like the fact that he saw me talking to another
01:46:57.920
A lot of fights go down because something, you know, well, not always some dumbass could bump into
01:47:05.560
But a lot of times there's a kind of a love interest involved.
01:47:11.240
So I want to ask at a party, like has a guy ever crossed the line with you at a party?
01:47:19.920
Maybe he was a little too forward with how he was speaking to you.
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Maybe he was being disrespectful, called you a name.
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You know, guys, you know, sometimes look, no excuse for it.
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But when people get drunk, sometimes they run their mouth a little bit.
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Not an excuse, but not just to be clear, 100 percent, not your fault.
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A guy's gotten handsy or ran his mouth a little bit.
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Usually, usually like every time I've been approached at a party, I like the guy catches
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I haven't gone to a party in a while, so I don't know.
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And for any of you, for any of you who have had that situation happen to you, were you
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like with a guy, like talk at maybe a guy you were interested in?
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Not he didn't do it to you, but like some other dude did.
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Like for you, there was that one time with your boyfriend.
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So, I mean, this is just another reason why, again, it's not your fault, but like that
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And we like men, we want to like protect our girl.
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But like in these situations, like guys are being dickheads.
01:48:41.400
We don't want our girls like being victimized in that way.
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It's like just us wanting to protect you, basically.
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Like we just want you to be safe and like, cause we know fucking what, what goes on in
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And more specifically, actually, did you want to come in?
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No, I was going to say like, well, if that's the main issue, shouldn't like we, you as guys
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be like talking to your friends and be like, why are you guys with those guys in the first
01:49:07.160
Guys who get handsy, guys who cross the line, like you guys should be telling them.
01:49:12.720
And if they're the, like the persons who are crossing the line, that's a total, it's
01:49:28.900
But as a, whether you're a man or woman, you, you do need to take some degree of proactivity
01:49:37.420
For example, me, even like as a guy, there are certain parts of town, there are certain
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areas in this country that I'm not going to walk through at 2 a.m., 3 a.m. in the morning.
01:49:48.120
You know, so I think there is some degree of accountability and self-responsibility.
01:49:53.200
Would it be wonderful if there, like I said, there's no crime, no war?
01:49:57.340
But, you know, if I'm going to maybe think like, okay, if I'm walking in a certain area,
01:50:03.420
I'm going to maybe take a certain route or I'm going to have friends with me or, you know,
01:50:10.180
I'm not going to put myself in certain positions.
01:50:12.720
For example, if, if I have like, let's say I have, let's say I have a Lamborghini.
01:50:22.380
Um, I'm not going to park that in a, like a dangerous part of town.
01:50:29.260
I'm not going to park that car in a dangerous, wait, there's a, there's a different way to
01:50:33.600
But in any case, um, you know, if you, there does need to be accountability on both sides.
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Um, should you maybe not like go to certain, uh, venues because there's a greater likelihood
01:50:58.100
Like I'm not going to walk through Compton at three, three AM.
01:51:06.160
But like, there's certain like parts where you just like, you, you need to take some accountability
01:51:11.800
and have agency and be like, assess the risk factor and be like, I'm not going to put myself
01:51:17.800
I mean, I think it's a little bit different because that's fear for your life over fear
01:51:21.220
of like maybe a guy coming on to you and something that someone could pull him away.
01:51:27.240
I mean, there's definitely worse things that can happen in bars for sure.
01:51:30.960
Well, and just last thing on the whole bar and club thing.
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Oh, I mean, it's, it's a public area, so it can't get too out of hand unless there's
01:51:41.700
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you guys go out to IV, right?
01:51:45.640
You see, I'm sure you see fights every single night you go out.
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Dudes are getting fucking sparked, getting permanent brain damage.
01:51:52.420
I've seen, you've never seen a dude knocked out fucking the ambulance has to come.
01:51:57.400
Some dudes like people get permanent brain damage, like fighting, having, getting in drunk
01:52:03.620
Sometimes that's related to, uh, thank you, Martin.
01:52:11.660
If a chef cooks naked, he'll get grease burns all over.
01:52:15.340
If he cooks with his chef whites, maybe only his hands get burns.
01:52:25.860
And I just kind of, I guess, last thing on here before we get to the soup chats, guys,
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sorry that we're slacking a little bit on soup chats.
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Just the last thing with the bars and clubs stuff.
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So, gentlemen, I do not recommend, I think some of you said perhaps an antidote to the
01:52:40.900
whole, like, issue is, well, just go out with your girlfriend.
01:52:53.260
Okay, let me, here, I'm going to ask a question just to perhaps prove this.
01:53:02.900
If some drunk dude gets handsy with your girl, she's going to look to you to intervene.
01:53:07.820
And, by the way, if you're a girl, like, if you're dating a masculine chick and a dude
01:53:14.040
gets handsy with her, she's going to talk to him and she's going to get aggressive.
01:53:17.940
And if he's aggressive, again, it's not her fault, but, like, you have to consider risk
01:53:23.420
If a girl has a loud mouth and she talks shit to a dude, maybe some dude doesn't even get
01:53:34.820
The guy turns around, he's going to spark you up first, and then he's, like, because
01:53:39.840
guys are not going to spark up a girl, but if the girl's with a guy, they're going to
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say, the guy's the threat, fuck him up, and then, like, he'll, I don't know.
01:53:48.880
So, it's a liability to go out with a girl because if the girl gets heated with another
01:53:56.100
dude, then the dude's not going to spark her up.
01:54:05.440
Do you know, like, the heavyweights, like, do you know Brock Lesnar?
01:54:08.640
Eric, can you find a picture of Brock Lesnar on the thing?
01:54:13.300
Oh, so the question is, let's say you're out with your boyfriend and, like, some dude is
01:54:18.000
other dude, random dude, disrespects you, maybe he's drunk, maybe he calls you a name.
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I'm sure you guys have, like, experienced some obnoxious guy calls you some shit or whatever.
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Would you want your boyfriend to step up and say something to him or intervene?
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By the way, so Brock Lesnar, just, well, we'll come back to Brock Lesnar.
01:54:42.460
Would you want your guy to intervene if some guy stepped to you and, like, said some rude
01:54:50.360
No, unless he was getting, like, physical, then, yeah, I would want my boyfriend to intervene.
01:54:55.240
What if, like, some dude, let's say you're holding hands, walking with your boyfriend,
01:54:59.520
you're out, like, in IV, like, a party, and, like, some dude, like, grabs your butt, do
01:55:06.100
you want your boyfriend to, like, say something to him?
01:55:10.140
I don't really need my boyfriend to say something to him.
01:55:14.980
I mean, having being single most of my life, I feel like I could do it myself.
01:55:21.580
I would want both of us, probably, to say something.
01:55:27.740
If someone's getting physical, yes, I would like him to step in.
01:55:32.720
Yeah, I think I could, like, take care of it myself.
01:55:38.860
I'd want to be with someone who first attempted to de-escalate it, but then maybe did what
01:55:48.360
I feel like if there was no reaction at all from my boyfriend, then that would be, like,
01:55:54.040
I appreciate the honesty, but I think that would be the case for a lot of women.
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And if, like, the guy just kind of didn't say anything, you'd be like, yo, I'm your partner.
01:56:03.000
Like, defend, you know, have my back, you know?
01:56:20.900
You know, someone's moving away, whatever, birthdays.
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Um, this one guy came up to me and kind of placed his hand around my waist while my boyfriend
01:56:33.000
And granted, it was, everyone was packed at the bar trying to get a drink, whatever.
01:56:36.720
But I, the first, my immediate reaction, no matter what, is to swipe someone's hand away
01:57:06.120
All he had to do was look at him and kind of say, what's up?
01:57:16.380
A lot of the times they, well, that also is pretty shitty.
01:57:26.260
Like, I understand it's to save your ass from getting, you know, beat, but I mean.
01:57:32.980
I feel like, um, yeah, if he didn't say anything like at all, gave no reaction, I'd kind of
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like look at him like, um, all right, but you don't like have, I'm not just talking about
01:57:45.640
IV, but anywhere you really don't know what to expect from some people.
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Like they could have, they could have a knife on them.
01:57:52.240
And they could have, like, I don't think it should escalate more than it needs to say something.
01:58:02.820
Like if your boyfriend didn't kind of intervene or, you know, step up and do something right.
01:58:08.180
Maybe just show of hands would, for the rest of you would, would it be like, would you
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want your boyfriend if some guy was disrespecting you to like come to your defense?
01:58:27.520
So Brock Lesnar, I think he's like six, four, six.
01:58:34.660
He's probably, he's a MMA fighter, heavyweight.
01:58:36.920
Um, and, uh, that guy says some disrespectful shit to you and get maybe, you know, he's
01:58:48.840
If, if your boyfriend doesn't just spark him up right away, like, do you lose attraction
01:58:56.880
His safety is above all else in that situation as well.
01:59:09.480
That's, uh, that's going to be a rip for, uh, wait, Francis and Ghanu.
01:59:13.880
Let's, can you get Francis and Ghanu too real quick?
01:59:26.860
He steps to you, uh, images, images, six, four, two 58.
01:59:35.020
Whenever you're ready, Eric, this guy, what about this guy?
01:59:39.780
Still, you're five, nine, you're five, nine emo boyfriend.
01:59:47.400
Anyways, point being it's, it's a liability to, uh, it's a liability to go out to bars anyways.
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Cause I see so many fights and just, you know, yeah.
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Even without girls, like just going out with your boys, like, bro, people are drunk.
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I used to, I used to know like a couple of guys.
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I wasn't like friends with them, but acquaintances that I knew, like they were just kind of aggressive
02:00:09.540
guys that just went out and like at the slightest, a guy accidentally bumps into him.
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Um, me personally, I don't go to bars, clubs, not, I don't go to bars, clubs, parties, not
02:00:29.960
And then I have a couple more questions for you guys.
02:00:33.140
Actually, um, do you have a good speaking voice?
02:00:38.320
So what I'm going to have you do, um, I'll have you read the, uh, super chats.
02:00:47.560
So I'll pull one up for you and Eric, while I get up, I'm going to have you just pull them
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Uh, you read the name and just read the name and then the question.
02:01:05.100
Because who's, it's like, like, yeah, who doesn't matter to?
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I think if they just are asking, like, if body count matters, period.
02:01:20.340
Um, I mean, I, I, I don't think I'd want someone in the hundreds, like, three hundreds,
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I think same is, like, yeah, to an extent it does.
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Um, the three people, the three points of life.
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I recommend you ladies add this to your lives and relationships.
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If y'all do, so it'll be much more easier for you.
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Holy hell, all the work I put in the gym, all the boring meals I eat, all the time I force
02:02:54.540
myself to be in bed for eight plus hours if good sleep is all fake, the amount of delusion
02:02:59.120
on this panel, most of y'all lie about your weight.
02:03:08.560
Just, I heard the first one, just show of hands, show of hands, should body count matter?
02:03:17.660
Okay, well, we'll talk, we'll talk about body count later.
02:03:21.600
Here, Eric, you can go back to live, I'll get the rest of the soup chats.
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First, we have Stifler, ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
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I'm just going to say, on this cam, I feel like the lighting is so bad in here, I don't
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I feel like I look so much better, like, in person.
02:03:57.420
It's, like, not doing me justice, but it's okay.
02:04:01.240
This, the TV, it's, the lighting is different on this monitor than, like, if you watch the
02:04:20.100
Well, just to preface, I think giving yourself a number is an interesting idea.
02:04:28.720
Well, I mean, I just, I think it's kind of, I don't know, I don't like rating myself.
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It's just, I don't know, I'd rather just exist and, like, like who I am without giving
02:05:10.160
So, um, I think we would, if we were all tens, we would all have modeling contracts and
02:05:19.580
Um, I just wanted to let you know that I saved this one just because it was directed towards
02:05:32.440
Andrew Tate, I'm flying the brunette to Romania for a conjugal visit.
02:05:37.700
Is, I mean, there's, there's like three brunettes kind of here.
02:05:41.620
I assume you're a brunette, but your hair is a bit red.
02:05:45.280
Well, I mean, your hair is red, but underneath, I assume.
02:06:05.440
But if that's your name and your profile picture, no, thank you.
02:06:09.480
You don't know who, do you know who Andrew Tate is?
02:06:16.480
Uh, M1 Garand, would any of the girls date a guy who legally owned a firearm?
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I feel like, uh, you know, Santa Barbara, it's a pretty, uh, wait, why are you pulling this
02:06:42.220
Um, it's kind of, I'm kind of surprised by your, because I mean, Santa Barbara is a very,
02:06:46.860
I mean, California is a very, uh, fairly liberal.
02:06:50.320
So, uh, I feel like a lot of people have issues with firearms, but okay.
02:06:55.520
Well, my hot take on that is, oh, yeah, go for it.
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I am on the side of, I think people kill people.
02:07:15.140
I think it's also where we're all from, like I'm from Sacramento and there's a lot closer
02:07:22.820
Um, the part of Sacramento that I'm from is a very, um, like country area.
02:07:28.320
So yeah, I grew up with guns and cars and all that fun stuff.
02:07:32.560
I think you can also have like some liberal ideologies and beliefs, but still want to have
02:07:39.580
I mean, you could, you could be left wing and still believe in firearm ownership.
02:07:44.520
Um, it just, it seems to me there's like a lot of, there's this term for it.
02:07:48.600
It's, uh, I don't know if the term's political cohesion, basically where if you know someone's
02:07:55.180
political stance on one issue, you can almost guarantee, you know, their stance on all the
02:08:00.800
Now that's not the case for everyone, but like if you generally speaking there, I think
02:08:13.700
We have, uh, trying to get to, uh, yo, lukewarm thing for the soup chat, man.
02:08:19.520
I like the addition of the note taking, but please stop writing with your left hand.
02:08:30.340
Uh, would you guys date like a guy who's, um, left-handed?
02:08:50.700
And actually I may, like if, if I'm really interested in a girl and she's a right-handed,
02:08:54.720
like I, she has to start writing with her left hand.
02:09:02.380
I don't, I don't care about your, uh, handedness.
02:09:05.940
Although if she is ambidextrous, there are some benefits.
02:09:24.220
Oh damn, y'all just move through this shit quick.
02:09:36.800
So just say Alex, uh, thank you, or you can say Alex, Australian $20 soup chat.
02:09:42.600
And I'd say the way men feel about makeup is the same way women feel about men who lie about
02:09:49.760
When the real marketplace value is revealed, it's utterly disappointing.
02:10:00.060
I, I feel like it's like when the truth comes out, you would be disappointed if they're completely
02:10:04.560
lying about the way they appear or like their status or other stuff about them.
02:10:08.280
Wait, can you guys, uh, pontificate on that for 30 seconds while I pull something up?
02:10:30.980
But I think makeup, you can see someone in real life, you see their skin texture, you
02:10:34.980
It's a lot different in person than it is, than it comes across in pictures for sure.
02:10:40.660
I don't really understand what like the big deal about makeup is.
02:10:44.140
Unless you're like caking it on every day and like people don't know what you look like
02:10:51.040
Which like, okay, I guess like don't date a girl like that.
02:10:54.360
If you care that much about how someone looks like with makeup versus without makeup, like
02:10:59.720
why are you even thinking about being with them?
02:11:05.300
Like, like you said, you said you saw like a before and after of people like completely
02:11:11.580
But like, if you saw that like in person, unless it was like, I don't know.
02:11:18.600
I just feel like if you can't really see through makeup when it's on, like, I feel like I could
02:11:23.560
look at you and like, guess what you look like without makeup.
02:11:26.880
Because like, I don't look at you and be like, this is what she looks like.
02:11:30.020
And then, and then when you take your makeup off, I'm like, oh my God.
02:11:35.800
No, it's not, it's not like, well, I suppose there are some scenarios where makeup is
02:11:41.560
highly transformative, but it's definitely like wearing makeup does make you more attractive.
02:11:51.120
It doesn't make you look better than you are in reality.
02:11:57.380
If you, yeah, say you love this girl so, so much and, but she wants to wear makeup some,
02:12:02.680
you know, what, what would you tell her personally?
02:12:11.740
You're lying to me, even though I see you with no makeup every day.
02:12:29.040
I mean, I think if anything on the eyes, I don't really mind.
02:12:39.300
Not the biggest fan of those, but like mascara, eyeliner, eyeshadow, not like a big thing.
02:12:47.700
I think it's more so like when it's like the full face and the powder.
02:12:53.660
Like, are you wearing any face stuff right now?
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I think like a little mascara, eyeliner, whatever.
02:13:03.140
I could not tell that she's wearing foundation at all.
02:13:11.540
Why did you just ask her if she was if you apparently already knew?
02:13:29.360
Does it look like I'm wearing a lot of foundation?
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And what would you tell her if it was a bit too much?
02:13:49.500
Like say she did something new with her makeup and it was too much for you.
02:13:52.520
Would you tell her to take it off and redo it how she normally does it?
02:14:00.140
Is it my personal preference for her to like wear minimal makeup or no makeup?
02:14:06.080
And a lot of girls will say, well, there's the no makeup makeup.
02:14:08.800
But like genuinely, like genuinely, I don't care if a girl wears makeup.
02:14:14.260
I realize you're going to look a little different.
02:14:18.940
Because honestly, the things I care about in a woman, look, if you're good looking, that's great.
02:14:22.900
But I care much more about who you are as a person, you know, your loyalty, like how we get along and things like that.
02:14:32.560
So, so I guess that's far more important to me than your makeup.
02:14:36.560
It's more, makeup is more of like a secondary thing to you.
02:14:40.920
It's not crazy important as people are making it out to be.
02:14:44.740
I guess in the chat, people are making it out to be.
02:14:48.500
Because they're going to the extremes of you're lying.
02:14:56.480
Do you think it's misrepresentation or do you think it's enhancing what you have already?
02:15:03.380
You're putting a, you can put the spin on it all you want, but you are, that is not how you actually look.
02:15:10.440
And I'm not saying that that's necessarily wrong, but to deny that wearing makeup doesn't change your appearance, you wouldn't wear it if it.
02:15:21.120
If makeup didn't change your appearance, you wouldn't wear it.
02:15:24.500
Why would you spend all this money and all this time to put something on your face that doesn't change the way you look?
02:15:33.640
I mean, can we at least admit that makeup does change your appearance?
02:15:40.160
So it is to some degree a bit of an illusion, a smokescreen, but we did talk quite in depth already about the makeup stuff.
02:16:23.680
Fiona, I mean, you seem to have quite a visceral reaction there.
02:16:26.640
Do you want to say anything to Mike, who's been incredibly rude and disrespectful to you?
02:16:31.120
You know, different strokes for different folks.
02:16:33.960
I mean, I'd love to rate you as well if you wanted to send your photo over.
02:16:44.820
By the way, thank you guys so much for all your TTSs here.
02:16:57.360
Miss PB is no different than any other chick in that area.
02:17:00.880
Can literally weigh 400 in front of them, and they'll be down for whatever.
02:17:04.860
San Diego is a city boy central, and city boys, we up.
02:17:26.140
So, Fiona, if I waved $400 in front of you, would you do whatever?
02:17:41.660
We had a donation come through from Streamlabs.
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If you can pull up the Streamlabs tab really quick.
02:17:49.140
Oh, and we got to do the makeup thing really quick.
02:17:51.380
Let's do the Streamlabs ones, then we'll get back to the Super Chats.
02:18:15.120
Yo, Shane, by the way, I might move the podcast to Hawaii.
02:18:22.860
I think in a year and a half, I'm going to move the podcast to Hawaii because, I don't
02:18:27.480
I need to be in a permanent vacation while doing this fucking podcast.
02:18:41.040
All the girls I've talked to recently have only been interested in a one-night stand, whereas
02:18:53.580
Really quick, also, guys, instead of Super Chats, you can donate via Streamlabs.
02:19:07.380
Because I wouldn't, like, where is he looking at?
02:19:11.140
Because I don't know where he would find only girls who just want one-night stand.
02:19:13.740
Well, me and Arcanum are our best buddies, and he's been going crack dens, strip clubs.
02:19:24.400
I don't think that's probably the best place to look for girls at.
02:19:30.300
Where's a good place to meet a girl that's not a dating app?
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I would say places that it's harder, like, a little bit more expensive places.
02:19:47.980
And I know that can be, like, iffy because either she wants somebody to, like, pay for her.
02:19:53.140
But, like, places where a girl has to, like, work harder to make a living because she's not really focusing as much on anything but trying to work and live.
02:20:10.060
Like, for example, I met my boyfriend at the gym.
02:20:17.340
And I've, you know, I have a friend that's super, super cute.
02:20:28.940
By the way, Arcanum says, rural, rural, North Carolina.
02:20:42.540
Maybe they just don't want to get somebody there.
02:20:44.980
In rural North Carolina, you're, because I feel like casual relationships are much more common in the city, but you're in the country.
02:20:53.120
So, my, my, I would recommend, I mean, if you want to do cold approach, it's very difficult.
02:21:02.340
And especially, I feel like it's much less common nowadays, whereas before dating apps, like, girls gave you a bit more leeway if you approach them, like, at a Trader Joe's, for example.
02:21:13.720
But now, like, with dating apps, I feel like it's, it's somehow, even though we're progressing, it seems like, like, it's almost like, oh, there's more of a judgment if you approach someone in person.
02:21:26.740
Like, people seem much, maybe that's related to the pandemic, but people seem much more, like, kind of on guard.
02:21:34.160
Oh, Eric, can you pull up the makeup thing just to kind of put, like, a little final thing in the makeup thing?
02:21:38.660
And just to kind of highlight the difference makeup can make.
02:21:43.240
So, these are, like, some, can you scroll down a little bit?
02:22:40.220
See, but, like, I think she's beautiful on the left, too.
02:22:42.780
Like, I think she's good looking on the left, too.
02:22:46.580
To be fair, I think this is pageant or, like, weddings or some shit.
02:22:50.960
But, like, but you do acknowledge, like, there's quite a difference between, like, these.
02:22:56.240
But, and this is, I mean, I think they're doing some touching up in Photoshop, but, like,
02:23:14.620
Yeah, so it's, like, you know, obviously this is on the further end of the spectrum, but,
02:23:23.180
Let's continue with the soup chats here, and then we do need to get back to the dating.
02:23:28.540
Landon, actually, you got, you know, Sam, you got this.
02:24:08.220
Yeah, The Matrix is my favorite film, so, yeah.
02:24:17.420
Just, I got little trinkets and doodads and gadgets here.
02:24:28.460
I got all kinds of weird doodads and trinkets, you know?
02:24:45.500
No, but they're asking for you guys to, ah, that's brutal, Andrew.
02:24:51.860
Yeah, that is kind of, I mean, he didn't, like, rate all of us.
02:25:23.500
I just want to say happy Valentine's to my love, Adam Santucci, who listens to this with
02:25:32.220
Glad you and Adam are spending your Valentine's watching us.
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These girls are on apps to be validated, which is why they really have it.
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Ladies, with the ones with a body count less than five, just get off the app and meet a
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guy at a grocery store, a coffee shop, the beach, anywhere but a bar.
02:25:54.520
So, I mean, he's saying that you guys are on the dating apps for validation, and I don't
02:25:59.960
know if you disagree with that, but none of you have been on the dating apps for some
02:26:06.300
I'm sure guys have attempted to move things to in-person, but why hasn't that occurred?
02:26:16.300
I mean, I said because, like, I just, I feel like, you know, dating apps is such, like,
02:26:26.480
Like, first of all, I don't go on it a lot because I really don't like dating apps.
02:26:30.220
They're, like, a really, I think, a poor way of meeting people.
02:26:32.740
I actually agree with beating the cheeks on this one.
02:26:34.420
It's not, like, the best way to find a partner, and it's, like, there's safety involved, like,
02:26:40.820
if the vibe's not right, and then also that awkwardness of, like, you guys both have photos,
02:26:45.280
you don't know what you look like in person, you go there, you expect for, like, to meet
02:26:51.440
Yeah, like, there's just so many things about it.
02:27:02.800
I feel like meeting people organically is where it's at.
02:27:11.580
I don't think I'm a reckless murderer either, but when I'm drunk, I keep my guns in the locker
02:27:18.680
Same reason you don't go to clubs where cheating is more likely.
02:27:30.880
MRA versus Thoughts is a genius idea for a show.
02:27:36.200
Every girl at the table know who the most beautiful girl at the table is, including her.
02:27:44.160
Mr. Cappadocia, who is the most beautiful girl at the table?
02:27:59.160
Kiki is the most attractive woman at this table.
02:28:09.920
Men are increasingly moving overseas to find women to marry.
02:28:14.000
This trend will continue until women become traditional again.
02:28:40.640
So probably the guys in college, not yet, but...
02:28:44.540
I feel like it's more of a trend with older people.
02:28:56.120
A lot of men are seeking women overseas because I think one big thing is men want to go where
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And the fact of the matter is, in Western society, there's a lot of...
02:29:16.060
I was going to say whispering, but there's a lot of perhaps anti-male sentiment.
02:29:25.460
And men are listening to that and saying, okay, goodbye.
02:29:30.960
Go to where you are appreciated for both men and women.
02:29:43.820
She is decent looking, like a six-not-fat smart.
02:29:51.040
But she is already 32 where she should look for a guy.
02:29:56.220
We're going to Japan and Vietnam and the Philippines and Thailand.
02:30:05.500
But no, I mean, where are all the good men going?
02:30:12.200
But I mean, a lot of men are opting out of the dating marketplace because kind of what has been happening is a lot of people spend their youth partying, going to bars, clubs, parties, just engaging in casual sex.
02:30:30.500
Almost every single woman has access to hookup culture.
02:30:34.840
But very few men have access to hookup culture.
02:30:42.100
The top 10, top 20% of men can hookup regularly.
02:30:47.660
He does not have anywhere near even approaching the amount of options that an average woman has.
02:30:55.820
An average girl, even a remarkably unattractive girl, can have a roster.
02:31:04.680
So whereas the average guy is like, it's a struggle for average men to get girls, even to get a girlfriend.
02:31:22.360
I definitely think we have more options for hookups.
02:31:28.840
I mean, I don't think we have more options for relationships, like having committed relationships.
02:31:33.480
I just think hookup culture on both ends has created a system where people are not looking to commit and get into, like, committed relationships.
02:31:43.640
Well, the guys you want, or the guys a lot of women want, don't want to commit.
02:31:52.360
Shane underscore the underscore Payne super chatted $50.
02:32:06.600
Just wanted to show support for the show and figured I'd send out a proposal.
02:32:15.280
I don't want to get married right now, but thank you.
02:32:25.160
I feel like this has been the most productive panel I've seen so far.
02:32:29.360
All these ladies have been level-headed and actually contribute to the convo.
02:32:33.500
Love the show and glad these beautiful women could come out to it.
02:32:43.640
Sometimes I almost have concern for the female panelists because they're brutal.
02:32:55.760
So, and, yeah, so, but I think, yeah, the panel has been wonderful.
02:33:07.840
But, so you do turn down his marriage proposal, though, the previous TTS.
02:33:15.460
It probably didn't help that he, I think he said six.
02:33:22.060
Why would you ask someone to marry you who, you're writing seven?
02:34:19.440
Do you think that have the features you asked for?
02:34:22.700
Now, after this, what would you bring to the table for this man besides your body?
02:34:29.720
Hey, you want to ask any other questions while you're at it, Captain?
02:34:33.820
Okay, we can, should I, can you pull it back up?
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What is the percentage of men do you think that have the features you asked for now after this?
02:34:56.220
So, I wonder if there's a quick way to get through all of this.
02:35:31.240
Sorry guys, we're having a technical issue, we're about to.
02:35:33.980
Someone said simplify it, I think that's a good idea.
02:35:36.800
Yeah, let's just do like the, the high income and age or something.
02:36:30.340
Okay, I'm 5'7", and I feel like, ideally, 5'9", 5'10", and above, but also, like, I think it can work if you're cute.
02:36:40.340
I mean, Zendaya and Tom Holland work, so that's not a problem.
02:36:50.600
I mean, I'd hope that they can, like, provide for themselves at least a little bit.
02:37:07.400
StreamYard is, are you able to pull up StreamYard?
02:37:26.320
Okay, well, you guys continue on while I take a look at that, but, uh, so your height, minimum height.
02:37:37.940
I mean, income, at some point, I'd want him to make his own money, but also, I would, I would provide, I don't care.
02:37:51.380
And, I want them to be passionate and have hobbies.
02:37:56.220
Um, I would say 5'9", but honestly, I feel like, if you're tall, it's just, it's really attractive.
02:38:02.760
I don't know, but I'll get away with, like, normal, I guess.
02:38:13.840
Which, I don't know, like, five years older than me?
02:38:22.800
Um, my ideal height would be, I'm 5'11", so, I don't know, in a man, maybe, like, six foot plus.
02:38:34.240
Um, income doesn't matter, but, like, it would be nice if you had a job, just cause, like, that's nice.
02:38:57.580
I'm obviously into my boyfriend, and he's six foot and 20 years old, and, yeah, that's what applies to me.
02:39:08.520
Um, uh, my ideal person is empathetic, and, um, open-minded is a big one.
02:39:31.600
Sorry, guys, we're having some technical issues.
02:39:33.880
Um, height, I would say, would have to be around, yeah, like, 5'6", cause I'm 5'4", so 5'6", would be good.
02:39:40.380
Um, income does matter to me a little bit, just because I'm not, I'm supporting myself now.
02:39:46.620
I'm in, uh, I'm not in college anymore, so I am looking for somebody who can support themselves.
02:40:12.940
Okay, no, I'm just, I'm just saying, if everyone's getting their thoughts out, I think everybody should.
02:40:21.500
I started answering, and then you said, okay, Liv.
02:40:26.480
Um, so, I'm 5'1", I prefer somebody taller than me for sure, uh, minimum 5'7", income, has to be able to support themselves for sure.
02:40:38.680
Um, maybe, it doesn't have to be six figures, of course, but some stability is nice, and, um, and I guess, yeah, thank you.
02:40:50.500
Okay, um, I want to pull up this soup chat here from Michael Cohen, and then this one's related to it.
02:41:04.920
I'm 25, and the dating pool in Orange County, where I'm from, sucks.
02:41:09.080
I've expanded my horizons and dated Aussie and German, Swedish, girl.
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They're more mature, chivalrous, respectful, et cetera.
02:41:28.260
Glad you're getting your girls, but I don't really know what to say to that.
02:41:32.920
Yeah, well, just to bring it back, this is Michael Cohen's super chat, so, ladies, does this concern you?
02:41:37.740
Honestly, I don't think women really give a fuck, like, that guys are going overseas.
02:41:41.780
It doesn't really bother them, because, obviously, well, this kind of brings it back to women are chasing after the top 10 and 20%.
02:41:50.420
Those guys will never commit, but, yeah, so, oh, there's, shit, there's something related to this that just totally slipped my mind.
02:42:05.120
All right, we have, uh, another one here from Sky Traveler.
02:42:08.100
I know all the girls said yes to dating a guy who owns a gun, but would ladies date a cop, even if the political climate, even with the political climate these days?
02:42:18.580
I mean, I'm not going to judge you based off what you do for a living, so, yeah, if you're a really good guy, I would date you.
02:42:23.580
Yeah, sure, I mean, I don't think that would span in my typical type, but, you know, if they were awesome, I could change.
02:42:37.820
Yeah, if it was, like, someone I really wanted to be with, why would I let what they do for a living get in the way of that?
02:42:45.400
I admire it, but I think it would stress me out too much if my partner was in that field.
02:42:58.000
Um, I have dated a cop, so, and I would do it again.
02:43:03.580
You sounded a little enthusiastic when you, uh, answer that.
02:43:07.640
Uh, okay, so, uh, Hennick, thank you for the 20 euro.
02:43:23.200
Um, but, uh, let's say, like, uh, 21, 21-year-old guy.
02:43:35.780
I would be, like, you spend so much time, like, fucking different people.
02:43:48.840
Like, because it's, like, the chase, and then, like, the bagging them.
02:43:55.980
Well, body count, that's, that's what body count is.
02:44:00.980
It's how many times you've had sex with different people.
02:44:03.320
And it wouldn't, like, to answer his question, that wouldn't necessarily, like, steer me away
02:44:07.440
Like, if I really liked a person, and their body count was 87, and they were, like, what,
02:44:13.740
I'm, like, whoa, like, you fucked a lot of people.
02:44:17.720
I would think I would also be curious at what age they started becoming sexually active.
02:44:35.640
Wait, but, I mean, I stepped away there for a moment, but we, there's a previous YouTube
02:44:41.980
And I thought, I thought all of you said, it shouldn't.
02:44:48.480
I think 87 at 21, you're spending a lot of time, like, like she said, bagging people.
02:44:55.980
And also, that means you've probably never been in, like, a committed, like, in a relationship
02:44:59.600
where you've been having sex with, like, one person if you've been with that many different
02:45:05.720
But I don't also think that'd be a make or break.
02:45:12.700
If I really like the person, that's not a deal breaker.
02:45:20.140
And, well, I think men and women value body counts a little bit differently.
02:45:23.080
Um, but, uh, I would say if most men found out a girl had 87 bodies, that's, that's a wrap.
02:45:35.200
I shouldn't, there's a lot of simps out there that will accept a whole lot of situations.
02:45:39.500
But, but, uh, well, I mean, would you object to a guy not wanting to date a girl who had
02:45:52.500
Everyone's entitled to their own preferences and what they want in a partner.
02:45:56.060
And, well, like we were talking earlier, I mean, 87 is 87, but like, because it's a lot
02:46:03.300
easier for a girl to hook up with somebody, 87 for her is going to be a different 87 for
02:46:11.880
So you're saying like for a dude to hook up with 87 chicks, he's got some fucking game
02:46:16.680
like, or he's really good looking or he has some status.
02:46:21.180
I want to paint, do a hypothetical scenario for you.
02:46:34.960
I can't really think of one, but there's a lot of celebrities.
02:46:36.840
Think of a hot celebrity that you think is attractive.
02:46:48.740
We'll come back to Henry Cavill and that he plays World of Warcraft.
02:46:52.500
Okay, so anyone in the chat, how old is Henry Cavill?
02:48:00.420
Your boyfriend's gonna be mad that you said that.
02:48:04.400
Have you ever had a conversation with your boyfriend where you're like, would he give
02:48:11.500
He, we have had this conversation and he would not.
02:48:16.760
Would you, Chris Evans steps to you, for your boyfriend, by the way, Chris Evans steps to
02:48:32.080
I wouldn't say all bets are off when it comes to Chris Evans, but I'm not not saying that.
02:48:54.980
If I were to get with Timothy Chalamet, I would break up with my boyfriend first.
02:48:59.440
But let's say it's like, uh, let's say it's just for like a one night stand.
02:49:04.140
I would fucking call him on the phone and be like, we're done.
02:49:10.780
Cause I was thinking like, maybe there's a, what the, Jesus Christ.
02:49:15.180
I was thinking maybe there's a, you know, a situation where, uh, maybe there's a potential
02:49:21.940
there with Timothy, Timothy Chalamet, but it's just like a one time thing.
02:49:27.380
So, uh, you're dating a guy for two years, Henry Cavill.
02:49:32.060
If it's for a one night stand, I'm not doing anything, but if it's for like a relationship,
02:49:39.300
So you're dating a guy for two years, Henry Cavill, top tier world, world of Warcraft
02:49:43.980
Raider, you know, fucking pumper DPS guild, all that shit.
02:49:48.640
But, you know, Naxxramas, easy, um, two year relationship, Henry Cavill steps to you.
02:49:56.280
Do you break up and or cheat on your boyfriend?
02:49:58.440
Wait, is it for a one night stand or is it for like, let's do both.
02:50:01.460
So for a one night stand, no, I wouldn't break up with him.
02:50:04.040
But if it was like, no, I wouldn't, or I wouldn't cheat either.
02:50:07.340
But if it was for like a, like a relationship with him.
02:50:18.640
If I didn't have time to tell him that I'm going to, I'd hope that he'd give me the pass.
02:50:32.380
Did you get to go about the breakup or cheat on your boyfriend for your celebrity or your,
02:50:57.380
Cause that's like, do you break up with your boyfriend to get with Hassan?
02:51:14.260
Jason Momoa, Aquaman, Khal Drogo, Game of Thrones.
02:51:18.980
Um, uh, you could be his Daenerys, you know, I think she's blushing.
02:51:41.260
You're going to, wait, you've been dating your boyfriend for how long?
02:51:50.840
And he's not, not only, okay, let me, let me spice this up a bit.
02:51:58.500
He's like, he's on set of like the Game of Thrones reunion or some shit.
02:52:04.940
Like he's got the fucking blue, those blue paint stripes on his chest.
02:52:11.440
And he's, yo, he's speaking to you in Dothraki.
02:52:24.140
I really wouldn't because I think, I think my boyfriend kind of looks like very similar
02:52:31.580
Plus, you know, we have dogs and properties together and.
02:52:35.680
Do you break, do you break up with your boyfriend?
02:52:46.440
My celebrity, would you consider him a celebrity?
02:53:09.300
Do you break up with your boyfriend or cheat on your boyfriend?
02:53:17.100
So like if I'm dating somebody I've met at the gym and I found them really attractive,
02:53:54.880
You got to remember, these celebrities have a lot of options.
02:54:04.800
Yeah, maybe I wouldn't even consider breaking up with him.
02:54:16.040
I like his personality, too, which is why I was like, he's very nice and very up there.
02:54:51.100
He's going to get bodies and girls are going to throw themselves at him.
02:55:00.740
So, but would the 300, would it deter you from Timothee Chalamet?
02:55:16.040
Um, does 300 bodies deter you from sleeping with your celebrity crush?
02:55:40.440
Because, like, my brain, like, doesn't work right now.
02:55:47.120
Yeah, we're actually, we're going to clip it and send it to Hasan.
02:56:04.620
Yeah, the high body count probably would deter me.
02:56:29.560
Do you want to fuck Chris Bumstead or Bradley Martin?
02:56:40.700
But it sounds like you're really trying to get me to do it.
02:56:54.080
You've heard it here for, here, you've heard it here for, now I'm stroking out.
02:57:06.240
Do we, do we talk about World of Warcraft really quick?
02:57:19.640
Since we talked about Henry Cavill, he's a, uh, he's a well-known.
02:57:25.020
I wanted to add my piece to the whole, like, celebrity crush thing.
02:57:30.920
Um, your celebrity crush, if they have a high body count, 300 body count, would you still get with them?
02:57:38.240
Yes, raise your hand if you would still get with them.
02:57:40.480
A little higher, just so the, the folks can see.
02:57:46.080
So, I think this is, like, kind of a difference between men and women.
02:57:48.940
Like, for most men, for most men, if, even if a girl's, like, smoking hot, really, really attractive.
02:58:01.280
She's, she's still hot, but, like, she's, she's obviously much more attractive when she was younger.
02:58:08.820
She did, she's still very, she's still a very attractive woman, but, um.
02:58:20.120
She's very attractive, don't get me wrong, but, who's a 10?
02:58:24.480
Well, I, I happen to actually have some attractive women that we can look at if you guys want, and we can, some of, you're bi, right?
02:58:36.180
Eric, can you, can you pull up the, uh, the Instagram thing?
02:58:39.680
So, these are, like, some girls I would consider, like, this is Eric's favorited girls on Instagram.
02:59:07.600
I honestly haven't seen a single no makeup photo.
02:59:13.180
But, eh, maybe this girl on the right, she's a little, a little eyeliner, you know.
02:59:36.680
Uh, it's in, who's Kylie Jenner's boyfriend or whatever?
02:59:58.580
The girl, he mentions her in the, in Psycho Mode.
03:00:00.740
Yeah, I was like, he mentions her in Psycho Mode.
03:00:05.580
No, she is very attractive, but that was maybe 15 years ago.
03:00:12.220
Yeah, she was like a Victoria's Secret model, but like 15 years ago.
03:00:40.580
Most men, if we found out, like even a drop-dead gorgeous girl that looks wise is way out of
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our league, if we know that she's promiscuous, major turnoff.
03:00:50.100
At least for me, I would not want to sleep with her.
03:01:04.340
Yeah, I just wanted to say I have a friend who's really, really hot, and she has a lot
03:01:14.820
And I think every man who she's promiscuous with knows she's promiscuous.
03:01:24.640
So me personally, I'm not interested in the one-night stand.
03:01:31.380
Like, for example, Santa Barbara is a really touristy area.
03:01:35.260
If I know a girl is just in town for the weekend, and she might be down, and I've had this situation,
03:01:41.720
That doesn't interest me, because frankly, it's a waste of time for me.
03:01:44.600
So when it comes to casual sex, one-night stands, short-term things, fuck buddies, guys are going
03:01:52.720
to be more willing to tolerate a promiscuous girl because, well, easy access to sex, but
03:01:59.020
when it comes to having a relationship, when it comes to marriage, then it's much more part
03:02:19.520
But, like, most guys who, I would say, who have options, because there are some simps out there
03:02:26.740
that have no options, so they'll take what they can get.
03:02:28.800
But, like, if a guy can pick between a girl who's, like, more innocent and isn't promiscuous,
03:02:37.000
they're going to go for the non-promiscuous girl.
03:02:45.020
I know some of you don't like the rating system, but give me a girl who's a 6, who's not promiscuous,
03:02:52.500
over a girl who's a 10, who's slept with 100 guys.
03:02:56.360
That's the point I was kind of trying to arrive at is, I would...
03:03:01.460
A girl who's, like, insanely good-looking, a 10, if I know for a fact that she's promiscuous,
03:03:12.820
I would also say, even for a one-night stand, most men would much rather...
03:03:19.440
Even for a one-night stand, would much rather get with, like, this is a girl who's got,
03:03:23.760
like, a low body count versus a girl who has a high body count, even for a one-night stand.
03:03:38.120
That's, like, such a preference thing, because I know so many guys who do want girls with
03:03:44.320
I've had guys tell me, like, I don't want no virgins around here.
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Like, give me a girl who, like, knows what she's doing.
03:03:55.080
I think you live in an echo chamber, respectfully.
03:03:59.760
Well, you're probably around your peers that are like that.
03:04:03.300
I mean, you're surrounding yourself with guys that obviously think the same way.
03:04:06.380
You think I'm in an echo chamber that men want women who are not sexually promiscuous?
03:04:16.000
You think I'm in an echo chamber because I think men don't want women who are promiscuous?
03:04:21.940
No, I'm just saying she's saying she knows men who are attracted to promiscuous women.
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I know men who are attracted to promiscuous women.
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And you're, like, over here shaking your head because you don't believe that that could ever exist.
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Okay, you don't have to explain this to me again.
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Like, you've explained this, like, three times.
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I haven't explained it to you three times, but.
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But, like, you have explained in thorough detail that a woman could be a six and have way less bodies and not be promiscuous.
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And you would be more attracted to her than, like, a really hot woman who had a lot of bodies and was promiscuous.
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And we're saying, yeah, we're saying we don't, we know men who prefer slutty women.
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There's, there's, there are men who might find a woman who's promiscuous attractive.
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But you can't confuse sexual attraction for relationship attraction and marriage attraction.
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No, not because I, I'm saying I know men who know women, like, relationships wise.
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They want a woman who is very sexually experienced and oftentimes that comes with a promiscuous past.
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No, for, they, there's no guy that is, there's no guy, well, I shouldn't say there's no guys.
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Generally speaking, men don't care about a woman's sexual experience.
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We, it's attractive when a woman has less sexual experience.
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And also, as a man, if you know how to lead, which, by the way, most women are attracted to guys who are dominant in the bedroom and know how to lead and know what they're doing.
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If you know what you're doing in the bedroom, you can take a girl who's a virgin and have fantastic sex with her.
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Being inexperienced doesn't mean you're going to be bad in bed.
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So long as you're open-minded and enthusiastic, if you get with a guy who can lead you, he can teach you how to have great sex.
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Whereas most women don't want to teach a guy how to fuck them.
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What if I'm dating someone who's also a virgin?
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I've talked to guys before who've been like, oh, look, I do want a girl who's very experienced, knows what she's doing.
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For me, I know that when I was with my ex, as time went on, as the more we had sex, I became more better at what I was doing.
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But from me to the very first time I had it, it's completely different.
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So I'm just trying to, I guess, better understand the objection.
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So you think that men want women who are sexually experienced?
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And I'm saying for you, if you want women who don't, who aren't, like, sexually experienced, that's fine.
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But there are some men out there who don't want that.
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But I would say, generally speaking, most men, if given the option, even for a one-night stand, would prefer the girl with, who's, I, most guys would actually prefer, like, a virgin for a one-night stand.
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Like, would you want a virgin for, like, because virginity, for a lot of women, it's a pretty big thing, you know?
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When they hear virgin, they think of all the things that they can teach her.
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Like, for a one-night stand, how much teaching are you doing?
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I mean, like, I get it if you're, like, in a relationship with a girl.
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But, like, a one-night stand, that's, like, totally something completely different.
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You're both there for an exchange of sex and nothing else.
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And, like, why are you going to go in with a girl who has no experience?
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And, like, you're going to go in there being like, oh, well, I want a virgin.
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But isn't that kind of, like, sickening if you think about it?
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You can be sexually pure, and that can mean either not being promiscuous or it could be
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When you think of, like, the most pure thing is you think of children in a sense.
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But it's still very common for men who are in adult relationships to look for stuff that
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It's just very hidden within, like, our culture and things.
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It comes with the stuff that's like, I want hairlessness.
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A guy who has a preference for a girl who, like, is shaved or has shaved her legs is pedophilic?
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It's like, where do you see people who have no hair?
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So what about a woman who prefers a guy who shaves?
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Like, we're talking about guys who say, like, oh, I don't want, like, body hair on a woman.
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That's way more of an obvious preference that guys have towards women than women ever have
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Like, been like, oh, if a guy has hair, no way.
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Whenever men have preferences, standards, or boundaries, it's almost always met with this,
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If a guy wants a girl who, like, shaves her legs, her pubic area, her armpits, that's pedophilic.
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Sam made that as one example of hidden things in what men, like...
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Obviously, there's other things, like, well, you want a girl who's hygienic.
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But what I'm saying is there's many things that we have...
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I mean, that's more incestuous than it is pedophilic.
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I think a better example for the porn would be, like, freshly 18, like, blah, blah, blah.
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Like, it's like you're waiting for her to turn 18.
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We as a society have determined that there's a cutoff.
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But you think, like, right at that day, like, her mindset changes?
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Like, she's a completely nude person just because she turned 18?
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Like, obviously, no, it's going to take time for a young girl or young man, I mean, boy,
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Like, I feel like your brain isn't fully developed until you're 25.
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But that girl, that freshly 18 girl, and I'm playing devil's advocate here.
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But she's in that bed with him making that video.
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The thing is, I'm not going to be like, hey, look, you can't do that.
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If a girl wants to fuck a guy when she's 18 who's 35 or, like, plus, and she wants to
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But I'm saying when majority of men are seeking out just girls who are 18 and freshly 18, it's
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And when the virgin, the status of virginity and being a virgin and being, these words,
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pure and innocent, that evokes childlike nature.
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And you can't tell me that there's not something, like, young about this whole virginity.
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Because when have I ever heard girls being like, I want a virgin?
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Are men and women attracted to the exact same things?
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But it's like, why are men always like, you have to be virgin, but I don't have to be?
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Do you think that you, in order for you to want something in a partner, you yourself must
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Usually, if it's something that's like, make it or break it.
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Like, it's like, if it's the same thing about partying.
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Like, you were saying, well, I'm not going to make it a double standard.
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I'm going to make sure I don't party and my girl's not going to party.
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So why are you going to be like, I want a virgin, but I don't have to be a virgin?
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I think some guys also want a virgin is because they know that they're the only person who's
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That's like, the only, like, one I've heard that's like, kind of okay, but it's just so
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It's like, why do you care about her past if it had nothing to do with you?
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So, the first one I'm going to touch on is the double standard, and then I'm going to
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I'll talk about the age stuff, and then I'll talk about the body count.
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I mean, just the conversation's flowing, you know?
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I'll try to wrap within, like, aim to wrap within 30 minutes or so.
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That, well, you don't often hear women say that they want a guy who's a virgin.
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Well, first off, I don't have a double standard on this.
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If a woman wants a guy with a low body count or a guy who's virgin, I don't have a problem
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I don't have an issue if that's what a girl wants.
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Because people are entitled to have their preferences.
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Yeah, we were saying it's fine if you want a low body count, but it's the thing when you
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It's just wanting something, the partner, having a preference or a standard or a boundary.
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So, well, you haven't explained why you would like a virgin.
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Like, men are not allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.
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The shaming language has been through the roof.
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You are trying to pathologize men's almost innate attraction to women who are not promiscuous.
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Like, you're pathologizing men's attraction to women who are not whores, basically.
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You weren't saying, like, you guys can't have preference.
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No, but you're saying it's pedophilic that men are attracted to women who are not promiscuous.
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Yeah, because if you, like, look at society and the way things are, like, it's totally, like, this big...
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Like, the porn industry makes so much money on, like, fetishizing pedophilia.
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Obviously, they don't actually use girls who are underage, but they do...
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If you look on there, there's going to be a bunch of stuff about underage things.
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Sometimes they do actually have used girls who are underage, and it just flies because...
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Like, because I was saying that, like, you don't really hear women go, oh, I need a virgin,
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or, like, if she's not a virgin, or he's not a virgin, I don't want it.
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For the guy to be a whore, but for the woman to be, like, very pure.
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So, first off, me personally, if a woman's standard is, hey, I don't want to date a guy who's promiscuous.
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I don't want to date, like, a guy who's a player.
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I think it does happen to be the case that, generally speaking, women care far less about body count than men do.
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Now, as far as the double standard goes, one of the reasons why men are sort of applauded when they can have a high body count,
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and a woman is shamed or looked down upon because she has a high body count,
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It comes down to the fact that it's impressive for a guy to be able to sleep with a lot of women,
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whereas it's not impressive for a woman to sleep with a lot of men.
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It's incredibly easy for women to sleep with men.
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Even average women, even below average women, have more sexual options than, like, a top-tier man.
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So that's why that double standard exists, because it's not impressive when women do it.
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And it does stem from, for both men and women, up until the 1960s, sexual purity, chastity,
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has been valued in both genders up until very recently.
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That sort of opened up a lot of people's sexual options.
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And, you know, with religion, Christianity on the decline,
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I'm not making a religious argument here, I'm just saying,
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It was the norm for thousands of years for both male and female chastity to be valued.
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are there things that you desire in a partner that you do not possess yourself?
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Because you were saying, well, it's hypocritical for a guy who,
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if he has a high body count, he shouldn't want a girl who has a high body count.
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I mean, like, biologically, besides biological stuff,
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besides, like, I don't know, them having a dick, but, like...
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Yeah, like, I want them to have a dick, but I don't want, I don't have one,
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But with things that are, like, that I can, like, can control themselves,
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meaning, like, personality or, like, body count or whatever,
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yeah, I mean, I would like for us to reciprocate the same things.
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And I just want other people to potentially weigh in here.
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So, all the traits that you want in a partner, you must possess yourself.
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Physically, I don't think that it's the same thing.
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Because, like, chastity is an experience thing.
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So, I don't think, appearance-wise, that has anything to do with it.
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But in terms of, like, their past experiences, sure.
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So, you kind of, I mean, the way I was going to attack this was,
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women want men who are tall, yet they are not tall themselves.
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Did you say the minimum height you want for a guy?
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which six foot is just, like, an inch taller than me.
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However, generally, generally speaking, most women are attracted to tall men,
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which I would say someone's height is far more superficial than someone's body count.
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Women want men who are funny, but they may not necessarily be funny themselves.
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Women want men who are charismatic, yet they may not be charismatic themselves.
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But this is, like, taking something like life experiences.
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If you're promiscuous, that says something about your values.
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If you're promiscuous, sex to you, you've decoupled intimacy from sex to some degree.
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Whereas some people view sex as this intimate thing that they want to have with someone
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Within the confines of a monogamous relationship.
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But it is a metric with which some guy might want to disqualify you.
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Yeah, you said there's less value for people who are more promiscuous.
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I don't think that's quite what I said, but what do you mean?
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I think a lot of these people, these men you talk about who want virgins, see women with
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more body, a higher body count as less valuable.
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So there's a sexual market value, relationship market value.
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So value in the sense of, not your value as a human being, not in that sense, but in your
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The guy who works at Starbucks, who's average looking, has less value on the dating marketplace
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Okay, if you want to be politically correct, fine.
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The reality is, is that there are certain people that are more attractive than other
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What does this have to do with the fact that I said...
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But like how I said I would want my person to reciprocate the same things, but not like
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No, like if we have the same like things, that's like, let's say I, obviously you want
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someone who you're similar to, or you don't want someone who you're like completely opposite
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of, but like if I'm a person who doesn't go out, I'm going to want someone who doesn't
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So if I'm someone who has a high body count or a low body count, I would want the same
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And it's a double standard for the guys to be like, oh, well, I can have a high body count,
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I mean, obviously there's some girls out there who would love that and will take it, but
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But I guess what I'm trying to say here is that there are things that you possess that
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you do not desire in a partner, and there are some things that you do not possess that
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I'm like, give me another example other than physical.
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And if he's making like exponentially a lot more money.
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Girls don't really ask men out on first dates, but what?
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I said if he's making exponentially more money, I feel like that makes sense for him to pay.
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Well, I mean, a lot of the girls here are in college, so I don't suspect that a lot of
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the men you guys are dating are making any money or much money.
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I knew that that analogy was going to get brought up.
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You want a guy who struggles to do one push-up?
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It's possible, but like, I'm, there are skinny guys who I find very attractive.
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Like sometimes skinny scrawny boys who look like they're dying can be really hot.
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Or like, Timothy Chalamet looks pretty twiggy if you ask me.
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Of all the times, have you been on first dates?
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Of all the first dates you've been on, did you initiate that more so or did the guy?
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I would say, look, I know there's some outliers here, but generally speaking, I would say most
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women prefer the guy to make the first move, for example.
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I mean, when it comes to the first kiss, would you prefer the guy to make the first move
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or would you, do you make the first move for the first kiss?
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I think it's nice to be asked at first, but I think a lot of girls our age these days
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know what they want and aren't afraid to go ask for it.
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No, there are women who initiate, but look, generally speaking, like men are the initiators
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I would say men instigate way more than women do.
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From making the approach, getting the number, setting up the date, texting, going for the
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Women aren't, a lot of women don't want to make the first move.
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Well, do most men want girls who are like over making the first move and like making the
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Because I feel like most men don't want that either.
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It's not like a thing where guys are like, why am I not getting women who are chasing after
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But the point, the point I'm trying to make is that that which you want in someone, you
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might not be bringing that same thing to the relationship.
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I don't want to necessarily a mirror image of myself.
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So to bring it back to the body count thing, if you can't, there are things that you do not
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possess or things that you do not do that you desire your partner to do.
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Chiefly, a lot of women would prefer men to take initiative, to take the lead, but you
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In that same way, a man with a high body count could want a girl with a low body count.
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But are those comparable wanting someone to approach you and wanting someone who's a virgin?
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But well, or a low body count, but yes, it is the same.
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Like you were just basically saying the same thing, like where you were like, um, talking
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about how girls with a, like you were saying that you wanted them to be reciprocated with
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other stuff like the, the parting or other things.
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It's like, why does that not like make sense for you for when it comes to like a body count?
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Like, I'm not saying like, I don't want reciprocity in all realms, but there's certainly some things
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that I possess that I want a partner to possess, but there are some traits that I possess that
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But then when you look back at it, like, let's say you're a guy with a high body count and
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you're looking for a girl with a low body count and you're like, because it shows their
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When did you look back at yourself and be like, Hey, look, it shows my values and my things
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If you're going to judge someone on that, wouldn't you judge yourself?
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So I, I don't necessarily think that it's, it's a good, a good thing for men to be promiscuous
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Um, I, I think society functions best and perhaps this is a idealistic, but I think society
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functions best when you have long-term relationships and I don't think hookup culture is good.
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And I don't think promiscuity is good for either men or for women.
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However, if a man wants, if a man who has a high body count prefers a woman with a low
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body count, I don't think that's wrong or hypocritical because you can desire something
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Well, yeah, maybe it's not wrong or hypocritical, but it wouldn't be wrong or hypocritical of me
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to not like to be against that and be like, well, I don't, that's not what I want either.
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So first off, it's a natural biological response in men that does not exist in women.
03:30:19.740
So up until very recently, DNA testing, that's a very new thing.
03:30:23.620
If a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all of them, say this is 40, 50 years ago,
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and she's sleeping with all of them, who's the father?
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However, if a man has 10 wives, you know who the father is in all those, and he's sleeping
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So men have this, and this is one of the reasons why it matters more to men.
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We have this evolutionary psychology, evo psych basis for wanting a woman who's not promiscuous
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because a woman who's promiscuous, you can't guarantee if she's sleeping with a bunch of guys,
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you can't guarantee that you're the father of the child.
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Because we break certain evo psychs from the past where it goes like...
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Yeah, we're not killing people with our bare hands still.
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Obviously, you're going to evolve with that as well.
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Probably because they feel like it's someone you can protect them.
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A guy who's physically strong, who's physically large, is more capable of protecting you.
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Okay, I'm not going to speak because I do know there's some women who only want tall men.
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I mean, there's not that many tall men out there.
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Yes, obviously most men are taller than most women.
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Most women would have an issue dating a guy who's shorter than you, for example.
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That has less of an impact on who you are as a partner than does someone's body count.
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It wouldn't bother me because I literally said before this.
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I feel like I wouldn't even meet a guy that's 5'5".
03:32:23.780
Sure, but I'm trying to use a more extreme example to kind of get to the point.
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Well, that's not like a real-life example, though.
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A real-life example would be if I met a guy who's my height, and that could be possible.
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You would still prefer to date a guy who's taller, though, correct?
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I mean, honestly, if you're eye level, it's fine.
03:32:43.600
If you see she pulled up Tom Holland and Zendaya, that's still a really cute couple,
03:32:51.600
Sure, but would you agree that, generally speaking, most women, 50% or more of women,
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have a preference for men who are taller than them?
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Yeah, and most men are taller than them, so how is that an issue?
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The average height for a guy is 5'8", the average height for a girl is 5'4".
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They don't have a preference for taller men because it happens to be the case
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Yes, most men are naturally taller, but that's not why...
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It's not because there's a lot of men that are naturally taller than women that women are attracted to that.
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Women are attracted to tall men because it comes down to protection, provisioning.
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A guy who's physically bigger, who's physically taller than you, is more capable of protecting you.
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When I'm fishing out for a guy, like, if I'm, like, looking for a guy, I'm not going to be, like, mmm...
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I don't think height can be, like, a make-or-break for women.
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Like, if they like someone, I think height won't be an issue,
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whereas with this whole virginity thing, it seems like it's, like, a make-or-break, you will only take a virgin.
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I mean, like, the whole key thing was brought up about how, like...
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Like, obviously, like, I'm not going to have a high-ass body count if I want a guy who, like...
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Even most women themselves don't want to be promiscuous.
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I was fine with the whole, like, you saying, like, you want a low body count.
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But the thing that, like, made me upset was the whole thing.
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No, where it's, like, you can have a low body count, but I don't have to.
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Like, because that's a double standard in my opinion.
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Yeah, like, where it's, like, you have to have a low one, but I don't have to have a low one.
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Well, I mean, I don't think it's necessarily hypocritical.
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I don't think it's hypocritical to desire something in a partner that you yourself do not possess.
03:35:24.960
But that's not something that you guys can both have the same thing on.
03:35:27.940
Like, I mean, like, if you think about it, like, body count is something that you guys are...
03:35:34.940
That's something that you guys both have an experience.
03:35:37.320
Like, it's a thing that, like, you guys experience.
03:35:40.100
It's not, like, something that you carry on physically or something like that.
03:35:53.400
I need to get through a little bit more of the body count stuff.
03:36:02.860
I mean, men and women can both care about that, certainly.
03:36:04.720
Yeah, that's totally, like, a whole different thing.
03:36:17.040
But that's one reason why men care about body count.
03:36:21.420
I mean, I understand why they care about body count.
03:36:23.920
I just was not getting the whole thing about, like, the whole...
03:36:26.880
Where it's, like, you have to have the low one and I don't.
03:36:31.020
It seems like you don't agree with me, which is fine.
03:36:32.960
But I've already basically given you my position.
03:36:35.960
That my position is you need not have the same traits or characteristics in yourself that you desire in a partner.
03:36:44.740
And you think it's different and perhaps you disagree.
03:36:47.400
I don't know if we'll find common ground on that front.
03:36:58.120
If you're dating a promiscuous girl and all your buddies hooked up with her, it's, like, a reputational thing, too.
03:37:10.040
This is not a good one that's going to convince anybody.
03:37:13.320
Like, nobody wants to be with a girl and, like...
03:37:18.620
Like, you don't want to get with a guy and all your girlfriends hooked up with him.
03:37:25.820
But if it was, like, a girl who had just come to town, she didn't have any ties to other people, and she happened to have...
03:37:36.640
Actually, I know a 17-year-old girl with a hundred bodies.
03:37:52.940
One of their friends that, like, they just graduated high school.
03:38:12.680
I know a 19-year-old girl that slept with a hundred dudes.
03:38:21.440
Oh, I was just saying, I don't know, that's pretty crazy for a girl who has, like, a hundred
03:38:32.780
Um, the big thing is, is that, okay, there's, there's kind of like three major things.
03:38:38.600
So, the more sexual partners you've had, the more promiscuous you are, the greater likelihood
03:38:54.360
Um, the greater likelihood of infidelity, the greater likelihood of reporting relationship
03:39:03.180
Your ability to pair and bond with someone after you've had so many previous boyfriends
03:39:09.040
and relationships and experiences and baggage and fights just continually starts to get chipped
03:39:15.620
away as you continue to have more and more partners.
03:39:21.660
I see, like, where some of these points are coming from, for the most part, besides the
03:39:26.980
double standard thing for, like, where it's just applicable to women.
03:39:31.520
The part I don't think that resonates is that the verbiage you're...
03:39:36.480
Like, this isn't the type of verbiage that most guys who are like, I want a virgin are
03:39:41.560
The most guys that are like, I only want a virgin, it's not for these reasons that you're
03:39:48.360
Like, it's because they have this obsession with virginity that I'm, like, I don't understand.
03:40:01.260
When you say these men, I'm not sure who you're referring to.
03:40:09.440
But, look, the pair bonding thing is the big one.
03:40:13.680
Once you've had a ton of relationships, once you've had a ton of partners, you lose your
03:40:20.320
And also, if you view sex as this casual thing, you decouple intimacy from sex.
03:40:29.840
One of the big ways people bond is through sex.
03:40:32.040
And if it's a sport to you, if it's just sport fucking, if sex to you is just like a
03:40:37.860
handshake, if it's just nothing to you, then...
03:40:44.540
I wouldn't want to, like, have someone who just thinks sex is just like a one-night
03:40:49.060
Like, obviously, I want someone who views sex as a very intimate...
03:40:53.460
Yeah, I mean, a high body count, it's like, it's an indicator of her general attitude towards
03:40:59.340
It tends to suggest that sex, it's not something particularly intimate to her.
03:41:09.860
High body count equals high probability of cheating.
03:41:11.820
It's also like, if you're number 51, it's just like, I don't know, the first moment that
03:41:22.980
there's a difficulty or a rough patch in the relationship, if you're number 51, she's going
03:41:27.620
to be like, you know what, new answers, new guy, I'm out.
03:41:32.600
Someone with a high body count is much less likely to stick it out in a difficult part of
03:41:37.640
You don't understand the virginity thing because you could never fathom being tricked into raising
03:41:53.180
It doesn't undo the gut feeling that men have when it comes to promiscuous women.
03:42:01.800
Women can't really empathize with this because women...
03:42:06.820
A guy can't commit, I suppose it would be called a maternity fraud on you, but it's a
03:42:12.880
very real fear for a man to, like, say with a partner that he wants to have a child with.
03:42:19.100
It's a very real fear that if he has a kid with...
03:42:23.240
Or thinks he has a kid with that woman, but the kid's not his.
03:42:33.220
If you have a kid, you know for a fact that kid is yours.
03:42:36.080
If a man has a kid, absent a paternity test, there's no way to, with certainty, know.
03:42:44.780
Okay, so that's an evolutionary psychology reason why, like, it's in our gut why it matters,
03:42:53.300
A promiscuous woman, she's more likely to cheat, she could...
03:43:04.460
How being a virgin would make it more possible that, like, that child's yours.
03:43:13.060
No, no, no, I know that, but I'm saying, like, that's a big...
03:43:16.960
I don't even know how to put this, but, you know, that's also if sex is just for childbearing.
03:43:26.020
If you viewed sex just for childbearing, I could see how you'd want a virgin.
03:43:30.140
Why are men attracted to women with wide hips and big tits?
03:43:44.440
So, we find that attractive, but it doesn't necessarily mean that when we...
03:44:00.220
I mean, I don't, I don't know how to explain what I'm thinking.
03:44:08.560
It's just, it's a big jump from, like, I want a virgin just because I know I'll be the father of her children.
03:44:15.520
That's why virginity was and has been valued, is because in the past there weren't DNA tests.
03:44:24.400
And I think this is something that women have a hard time empathizing with because it can never, ever happen to you biologically.
03:44:32.040
It is one of the biggest L's a guy can take in his life to think you're raising a child that's yours and you find out it's not.
03:44:41.560
Not only are you not raising your son or your daughter, you've just discovered infidelity.
03:44:47.580
That is so brutally crushing for men and it happens.
03:44:53.820
That woman, like, has something really wrong with her if she's going to lie to a guy about, like, that being his son.
03:45:01.140
Well, those women definitely need help because that's not okay.
03:45:07.260
It's not every woman, but it's something to be...
03:45:10.280
And it's not every promiscuous woman is going to lie about the father of her children.
03:45:18.140
I'm trying to think of, like, how I can articulate this.
03:45:22.280
You can intellectualize that a woman who's had a body count, a high body count, you can intellectualize, hey, maybe she's going to be...
03:45:35.900
But it doesn't undo the gut, the gut, knee-jerk reaction to promiscuity.
03:45:56.060
I mean, I'm very happy with my body count, so...
03:46:01.180
I mean, like, I think I have, like, a good body count.
03:46:24.460
But I'm just saying, like, why don't you share yours?
03:46:40.000
So, would you like more reasons why body count matters?
03:46:49.420
So, and then we're going to finish up with the dating app review.
03:47:00.200
So, the higher your body count, the greater likelihood of divorce.
03:47:04.860
So, the more sexual partners you've had, the greater likelihood of divorce, reporting, relationship, dissatisfaction.
03:47:21.680
I didn't know if it was for just women or just men.
03:47:28.100
Well, the stats say it's for both men and women.
03:47:30.280
Well, in the stats, it's more pronounced in women.
03:47:41.140
But men are more likely to cheat statistically.
03:47:57.620
I don't have it in front of me, but I want to get, I want to move on to Tatum's been
03:48:10.220
I mean, you guys were the ones asking me about body counts.
03:48:15.640
That's what I was really worried at questioning was the whole double standard thing, but I don't
03:48:21.280
I feel like it's like, we can just agree that guys weirdly enough want virgins.
03:48:30.620
Like, I don't understand why you have to shame men for their preferences.
03:48:36.300
Women have a laundry list of things that they want in a partner.
03:48:40.020
And the few things that men care about, it's almost always met with contempt, shaming.
03:48:47.640
Why is it weird for men to want a woman who's not promiscuous?
03:48:51.160
I don't think women want very out there, outstanding things versus when men want certain things.
03:49:00.980
I mean, there are some women out there, but, like, I feel like maybe you're talking to
03:49:04.320
the wrong group because, like, I'm 19 and I don't really want, like, a top G, 2% guy
03:49:10.900
who's, like, super rich and, like, I don't know what to tell you because, like, that's
03:49:15.940
It's, like, that's very shallow and it's a very shallow mentality and I think it's-
03:49:19.780
Looking for someone only based off their status, their, like, income, what, like, that's such
03:49:25.640
a shallow way to look at it and also, like, only their looks, like, that's just shallow
03:49:34.380
Isn't that the things that a lot of women go for, though?
03:49:37.660
Well, I was saying I can't speak for all women, but, like, I'm saying I don't go for
03:49:57.320
Of all people who test paternity, 32% are not the fathers.
03:50:02.200
It's such an epidemic that France has made paternity testing illegal.
03:50:09.000
Yeah, like, just to add to that really quick, like, it is one of men's biggest fears.
03:50:16.100
It's one of men's biggest fears to raise a kid that's not yours.
03:50:18.620
It is one of women's biggest fears to be murdered by a man.
03:50:26.080
I don't see how that's relevant to the body count thing, but.
03:50:29.320
I don't think it's relevant to the body count thing.
03:50:31.100
I'm just saying you can throw these stats out, like, I wish that paternity tests were,
03:50:38.800
Yeah, it's, like, a privilege for that to be your biggest fear.
03:50:47.560
I'm just saying that she's, I think what she's trying to say is that, like, women have
03:50:51.460
more things to worry about that actually threaten their life than worrying about whether or not
03:50:58.640
Whereas men saying, like, you saying, oh, it's one of their biggest fears is raising a
03:51:03.420
Otherwise, she's just trying to be, like, well, that's kind of, like, a privilege to
03:51:08.900
I mean, paternity fraud is more common than being murdered.
03:51:13.640
Like, in the world or, like, in the United States?
03:51:18.480
Because if you look at the whole world, I wouldn't say that's very true.
03:51:21.760
Paternity fraud is a much more frequent occurrence than, are you talking about, like, a man murdering
03:51:35.960
I mean, I'm not sure why we're going to this, but...
03:51:42.340
Bad things happen to men, bad things happen to women.
03:51:46.740
The whole 30% of children are not by the right father or whatever.
03:51:52.780
It's still, like, the promiscuity thing, that that's such a big kick in the gut.
03:52:05.040
Oh, okay, because I said that cheating is a concern when it comes to body count.
03:52:15.200
I've seen different stats that say it's a small percentage, but women cheat more than men.
03:52:25.660
Okay, well, who ends relationships more frequently, men or women?
03:52:38.980
At least for, like, divorcing and breaking up with them instead of cheating.
03:52:42.020
I mean, like, that means just there's something wrong with their relationship versus, like, cheating is a whole different thing.
03:53:39.480
Because I feel like I have really high standards.
03:53:41.560
And then being able to, like, swipe left or right is really easy to just, like...
03:53:56.420
But, I mean, we were previously talking about...
03:54:41.180
So, we have some super chats here we have to get through.
03:54:51.040
But there are women who purposely escalate a situation or make one.
03:54:55.600
Then step back and expect men that they are with boyfriend or potential boyfriend to defend their honor.
03:55:13.140
I imagine hypocrites want the world but won't try at all for it.
03:55:29.940
The split women may not care right now, but it's projected that 45% of women will be unmarried and childish by 2030.
03:55:38.980
Additionally, the most unhappy population in the U.S. are older women with a career.
03:55:54.900
The only reason these account reviews are silly is because good women don't need to be on dating apps in the first place.
03:56:17.380
Difference between a 304 and a prostitute is a price tag.
03:56:20.940
Nobody will pick us a used chewing gum from the street and be happy with it and keep it.
03:56:32.540
I don't want a child, but neither do I want a girl that half the city has had.
03:56:36.980
The more you've been around, the more scars you carry.
03:56:39.100
Yeah, I think he's just saying that as you've had more dating experience, you tend to get more baggage.
03:56:51.460
Like you have more trauma baggage and stuff, so it kind of ties in with more partners.
03:56:58.900
Typically, when a woman has a preference, all men have to accept it or they are viewed in a negative way.
03:57:03.900
But yet, when a man has a preference, there's tons of reasons as to why they shouldn't.
03:57:09.200
Isn't that a double standard going to be addressed?
03:57:13.860
I haven't shamed any of you guys for your guys' preferences or standards.
03:57:17.580
It's only men that are shamed for their preferences.
03:57:20.100
I didn't shame you for your preference or your standards.
03:57:27.580
I objected to the double standard part of it, but I didn't object to you saying you want a low body count.
03:57:32.040
Like, if you want a low body count, as you should, and I could want a low body count, too.
03:57:36.260
And I'm not going to objectify if a guy's like, hey, look, I'm looking for a girl with a low body count.
03:57:40.660
The thing that I just didn't get was why you're searching for that if you yourself don't have it.
03:57:50.760
But, yeah, I mean, he does raise a good point that, I believe it's this one, like, it just,
03:57:56.880
why is it that men are not allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries?
03:58:02.040
Like, why is it almost always met with some sort of shaming language?
03:58:11.160
I mean, I don't think, like, preferences when it's like, I like blondes.
03:58:20.260
It's, there's just a few things that don't sit right.
03:58:22.940
But I think also guys get fed up with girls that say they want tall guys.
03:58:27.880
Well, the difference is, is that men, men may be discontent, especially short men may be discontent that women want tall men.
03:58:48.640
We have to do, become all these things to become attractive to women.
03:58:53.440
But when, when men tell women, here are the ways, here are, here's what we find attractive.
03:58:58.340
Here's how you ought to level up or become, oh, shaming.
03:59:03.860
It's always met with like some sort of contempt.
03:59:18.860
We want men who are, imagine if I was like, women are ridiculous for wanting men who are confident.
03:59:23.800
You're stupid for wanting men who are confident.
03:59:26.100
You're stooping for, stupid for wanting funny guys.
03:59:31.060
You want like, that, that's how ridiculous it is.
03:59:34.540
Here's the, I mean, the big ridiculous one, you use the, the P word there.
03:59:38.360
That would be like me saying, that would be like me saying that because women are attracted
03:59:45.620
to men who are tall, it's because you have some infest, or sorry, you have some incestuous
03:59:50.740
fetishization of your father's because when you were young, you wanted a guy who was tall
03:59:56.200
or sorry, you, you'd look up to your dad and you're like, oh, I'm idolizing my dad.
04:00:03.560
That, that's like basically the argument I could make for women who want tall men.
04:00:06.860
Women who want tall men are incestuous because they're trying to relive their childhood by
04:00:14.600
Well, I mean, like naturally, like we are, I mean, if you like a little boy's first crushes
04:00:18.980
his mom, like naturally you like, you, like, I'm not saying like, I think my dad's attractive
04:00:25.100
in that sense, but I'm saying like, I hear that a lot, that little boys first, like when
04:00:29.040
they think of a woman, they look for their mom.
04:00:34.140
But it's, it would be a woman wanting a tall guy would be me, like me saying you're incestuous
04:00:40.040
and predatory for seeking out tall men to satisfy your perverse incestuous fantasy.
04:00:49.380
Why can't women or why can't men want women who are not promiscuous or who have a low body
04:00:55.520
You guys were, the big thing was apparently men who want women who shave their legs and their
04:01:12.300
Obviously they could just be like a hygienic thing.
04:01:28.440
I'm like, I've been in this room for five hours.
04:01:34.060
Well, I'm wondering how long this is going to go.
04:01:37.120
We're going to get through the super chats, but okay.
04:01:40.200
You get to hang tight for 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes.
04:01:50.260
No, I was just saying like, I don't really have a problem with guys saying preferences.
04:01:59.860
But you guys earlier on said a guy who wants a woman who shaves her body hair is like P word.
04:02:06.700
What I'm saying, when a guy wants a woman, not just like their body hairs, like obviously
04:02:13.140
But like when it comes to like you wanting a girl who's completely hairless, it's like
04:02:20.180
Like we're like naturally, like if we go back to what you were saying, when you're
04:02:24.120
like, oh, um, men are like biologically or prehistorically like wanting that, like we're
04:02:30.140
back then we, we had way more hair than we do now.
04:02:32.900
So like why now do you want a girl who's completely like no hair?
04:02:37.780
Then you have to think back at it where they, when do you see people who have no hair?
04:02:47.420
There's lots of research done on that about how that's a very, there are plenty of practical
04:02:52.400
reasons for why men want women who like don't have leg hair, don't have armpit hair, don't
04:02:58.160
like shave down their, like for comfort reasons, for hygienic reasons, they don't want girls
04:03:02.600
with arm hair or like they don't want girls with like a hair on their spot of the body.
04:03:10.200
And there's women that don't like guys with back hair.
04:03:12.180
I think what he's saying is that most guys with a good head on their shoulders, they're
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not going to be out in public and see a kid or a child and be like, I want my girl to
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Like no guy is thinking that it's just their personal preference for hygiene.
04:03:29.780
But I also know what he's saying where it's like no guy in their right mind is going to
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see a kid and be like, that's my ideal girlfriend.
04:03:37.920
I think it's a very subconscious like thing that you don't even realize you're doing.
04:03:44.180
No, it's not subconsciously P word for, for men who want women.
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Like some men, like you, it's been kind of like engraved into our society.
04:03:54.140
It's not like something that you're like, oh, I know I'm searching for someone who looks
04:03:57.140
like a child, but it's like what the standards have built or like what is wanted.
04:04:01.440
A lot of times it can be like childlike features, you know, like little dainty things, little
04:04:06.820
girly things that like, it's like, then that's kind of like near childlike things.
04:04:13.500
Like there's like certain like little things that do have to go down with like pedophilia.
04:04:19.860
Bro, it's so, it's so ridiculous to say that men who prefer their women, who groom themselves,
04:04:32.000
Obviously it's not like all men are like thinking like that.
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I'm just saying there's certain things that you don't even realize that lead back to that.
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No, it, men who, it's not even a subconscious thing.
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It's not subconscious for, for a guy to prefer a woman who grooms herself and shaves her legs.
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Well, it's kind of like a girl saying that she's into a guy who's super skinny and looks like he's on his deathbed
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is like saying she's into like fucking dead people.
04:05:01.260
Like that's like along the lines of you guys trying to say that like, no, this is like a long,
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if you're saying that a guy who's into girls with no body hair, like nothing, it's pedophilia,
04:05:16.360
I'm not saying that's like outlandish, straight pedophilia.
04:05:18.660
I'm just saying like when there's certain little things that we have been okay with
04:05:23.220
that you can look back at and be like, hmm, where did we get that whole idea of that's attractive,
04:05:33.700
Yes, and the media has pushed this like underage type thing being very sexualized and being like.
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No, I'm saying, I'm saying like models, like models, like modeling things on the internet or like.
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So you think that men who want women who shave their legs or their pubic area or their underarms
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is a either subconscious or conscious pedophilic.
04:06:01.820
They're stuck on the whole shaving their hair thing because I don't think it's like, I'm
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just saying that that's one thing that goes along with many other things that adds to
04:06:10.080
the fact that there is like underlining pedophilia within like what people romanticize.
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I'm saying when you look back at it, like when it's underlining, it's not something that
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It's, I want to just open it up to some of the other girls on the panel.
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So you were shaking your head in agreement that it is, there's undertones of pedophilia
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I think that's an aspect of it, but you're stuck on just that.
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Can you tilt your mic down towards you like that?
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There's a whole other, other examples she's brought up.
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That's just part of it of men who want women to be hairless, not just their genitals and
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their legs, but like completely hairless like a doll or like have like these childlike pout
04:07:07.140
features and like big eyes that look up like the doe eye look.
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So I, to you, I would ask, does, do you think it's wrong for a guy to want a girl who
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shaves like, or who doesn't have hair on her legs or like shaves her legs?
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You're getting stuck on just this one aspect she was talking about.
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Make it to say, look like that's what we're saying.
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Let's make that the confines of the conversation because I do want to like try to arrive.
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You, we can have conversations about those other things, time permitting, but I'll try
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Specifically, I'm asking specifically when it comes to body hair, a man who prefers women,
04:07:58.000
a woman with less body hair, say armpits, pubic area, legs, maybe he prefers a woman who
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shaves, are you asserting that men who have that preference are in some way, are you pathologizing
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I'm not saying that one thing makes you a pedophile.
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I'm narrowing the conversation to just that one thing because.
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It's a whole, it's a whole, all of these preferences go into that one thing.
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I'm speaking about one thing and just answer the question.
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If a guy wants a girl who doesn't shave her legs, or sorry, excuse me, if a guy wants
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a girl who shaves her legs, shaves her pubic area, armpits, do you think that there are
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No, because what I was saying is I don't think that's wrong.
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I was saying I think it's wrong when a guy wants a completely hairless girl where it's
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Most girls, like, for example, me, I don't know if this is TMI to put out there, I shave
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everything and that's my personal hygienic preference.
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And then if I find a guy who likes that of me, I feel like, I mean, I did it for me.
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But do you think it's unhygienic that men don't shave?
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I mean, I don't, I think it's all up to their preference.
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I would prefer that a guy shaved and kept up with himself.
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There are plenty of women that, like, are turned off by guys with, like, back hair.
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But this, like, overarching thing that's pushed on to women of you need to shave your legs,
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I mean, again, what we were saying is not that if you shave your, if a guy likes that you shave your legs, he's a pedophile.
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We're saying it's part of an entirely overarching, underlying view of women as, like, wanting something that's young and supple and virgin.
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That doesn't make you a pedophile for wanting a woman who is young and who's a virgin.
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You want a girl who's young and who's, like, a virgin.
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But I'm saying when you put all the other things that go with that, with what, usually what they want, it kind of does.
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I mean, I don't know why you find that so hard to believe.
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I mean, how long has it been that, like, 14-year-old girls, I mean, a long time ago, 14-year-old girls were getting married off to, like, 30-year-old men.
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And right, and now you would say that's pedophilia.
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That is, okay, a 30-year-old marrying a 14-year-old in the United States, that is broadly frowned upon by both men and women.
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If you think a guy, you kind of kind of want to keep shifting the goalposts.
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But then why are we trying to, like, lump it in with, well, it could be a factor with other things.
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Like, I brought up the whole part about being completely hairless, not about wanting hygienic, like, shaves.
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So, if you believe what you believe, then you are, by doing the actions you're taking, you are indulging, supposedly, you are indulging men in their supposed pedophilic fantasies.
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No, I'm not, because I'm not shaving my arms and shaving my stomach and my back, trying to, like, feed into those men.
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I'm shaving what I think would be better for me to, like, smell better and look better.
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Ladies, men are worried that a woman who has had many partners is broken.
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They are unhappy, married for five years, two kids, tough luck.
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Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, the more partners you have, the greater likelihood that you're going to have some baggage or some sort of past trauma.
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Millions starve while you complain about your mascara.
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Ninety percent of people, police killings are men.
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I mean, there's, there's all kinds of double standards.
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There's some double standards that benefit men and there's double standards that benefit women.
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Prior to the 60s, it was way more formal, but when women gave that up, social media and dating apps only more show how stark the difference is.
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A man has to level up just to have a chance with an average woman.
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But average or below average woman can get with an exceptional man just by existing.
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I think it's way easier for girls to get with guys.
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There's a saying, women sleep with who they want.
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France made paternity tests illegal because they said it would be destructive to society.
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Oh, well, men are supposed to accept women's standards and what they want out of men.
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But at the same time, women absolutely won't accept that men want low body count.
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Dragon, Fly, Noisy, thank you for the 28 Super Chat.
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I think some of apps would have been better if you had nothing but you outdoors or with whatever
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The bathroom one says, I might not marry you, but fun times.
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Imagine being on a date with this chick in three hours and she's like, damn, I'm about
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Women don't accept that and live in a fantasy world in their head.
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Not engaging is why y'all single on Valentine's Day on the podcast.
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The back of every man's brain is like, yeah, the huge, chitty, fat ass, hairless woman
04:16:18.280
Well, sure, but, and also I would say, like, not, like, if a girl has a little bit of arm
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hair, like, for most men, that's not a deal breaker.
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And I think for those men, they're not the issue.
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Yeah, I mean, the leg thing, it's just, like, razor burn, comfort, you know, hygiene, all
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Women, a lot of women prefer a guy who grooms down there.
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But it seems to be the case that men are not allowed to have preferences.
04:17:07.480
Okay, so, before I wrap up, and before Tatum murders me.
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I feel like we'd have to date for that to happen, but I suspect Tatum hates my guts.
04:17:31.700
Okay, because I've disagreed with you guys during the show.
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Okay, so, do you guys have any final thoughts before we wrap?
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If you do have a final thought, up to you guys.
04:17:42.980
No, I think the discussion we had was pretty good.
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I mean, look, I've invited you on to the podcast to have a debate, have a conversation about dating
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And, yeah, so, I mean, I think it's good to be able to have conversations like this because
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I, perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't know if you've had conversations like this with any
04:18:17.640
But, well, the other thing I would say is that most men are not, like men you're trying
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to date are probably not going to be honest with you.
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And a lot of your male friends are not going to be honest with you about what they want.
04:18:29.420
Well, especially the men that want to sleep with you.
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They're certainly not going to be honest with you because men will say, will lie.
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Perhaps we can find some common ground here at the end.
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They will placate you in an effort to try to get into your pants.
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If you're sleeping with three other guys while you're talking to me, no worries.
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But, yeah, a lot of men can't be honest with women.
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A lot of men won't be honest with women because at least with the social climate as it is,
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you know, if you give any sort of pushback to the narrative, oh, it's slut shaming.
04:19:18.100
Did you guys have any final thoughts before we?
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I mean, if you guys want, we can give it five minutes.
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My quick take, I think we discussed it a little bit earlier.
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I think it's a made-up holiday by Hallmark to sell cards and chocolates to people that
04:19:52.000
I'm going to pull you back into this conversation.
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Okay, so it is Valentine's Day and you all are very, well, you have a boyfriend.
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Your friend smiled here, so I think it's a bit more than talking.
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I think I go in between wanting a relationship and wanting to really just focus on a career.
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So I find that I get really distracted when I'm like talking to a boy.
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Also, the last person I was talking to kind of, you know, gave me heartache.
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I wouldn't imagine that you would object to hard dick.
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A man being nervous about a woman with a high body count is the same as a woman being nervous
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about getting pregnant by a guy that dropped out of high school that's broke with no job or future prospects.
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I feel like I've never, like, I've got, like, I didn't even see that.
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Not really high, but I don't lower them and I'm not, like, going to settle for anyone.
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So, I feel like I've never really been in, like, a rush to, like, pick someone out of my options.
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I feel like I'd, like, wait for someone that I'd really want to date.
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That's, like, the first thing I feel like I look at, which might sound shallow, but, like, I feel like that's the first thing you look at when you're, like, meeting someone.
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I mean, I would say most people, when they're young, when you're young, you want a guy to do bong rips with, um, I do.
04:22:53.280
I mean, when you're young, you are going to more so prioritize someone's physical appearance because, I mean, you don't, like, someone's income doesn't really become a factor until you get a bit older or someone's status.
04:23:05.540
I mean, so, um, okay, so you have really high standards, so looks-wise, what's your type?
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So, would it be, it wouldn't be a deal breaker, though, for you to have a guy, like, for a guy with short hair?
04:23:45.940
Sam, hit me up if you need a date for next Valentine's Day.
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Um, I'll let you know when next year rolls around.
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I don't like that, like, LA boy look where they wear, like, the flat caps and stuff.
04:24:27.040
But, like, I guess someone taller than me, yeah.
04:24:36.000
When it comes to, like, your physical type, is that, that's more so where you're, like,
04:24:46.000
And I also feel like I've always been, like, focused on, like, my friends and family and
04:24:52.220
And I'm not, like, that's something I haven't really, like, been on the search for necessarily.
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Because I feel like I, I'm a really big feeler.
04:25:30.360
So, let's say, just the last thing on Valentine's Day, let's say you've been dating a guy for
04:25:36.380
What do you expect to happen on Valentine's Day?
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Like, take something they know I like to do and go do it.
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Tatum was bored talking about intersexual dynamics, but hot damn did she perk up when she got to
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I should have, I should have involved Tatum more.
04:26:12.440
I just felt like it was getting dragged out a little.
04:26:26.500
Yeah, like, what do you expect to occur on Valentine's Day?
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For us to go on a date or to spend time together and then, like, for me to, like, for me to
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Samantha, I'm not quite as gentlemanly as these other boys.
04:26:50.880
Just trying to make sure that when I throw you up in the air and catch you with my tongue
04:27:16.540
No, I don't think, I think, like, majority of girls weigh, like, one, who are developed
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So, I feel like that's not, like, a bad, okay, 1 40, 1 50.
04:27:31.640
Well, at Santa Barbara, I feel people are a bit more fit, but, uh, yeah.
04:27:38.100
Uh, uh, so, nine months, what do you expect come Valentine's Day?
04:27:54.880
Um, hopefully they, like, know me by then to take me, like, to the beach or go look at
04:28:05.240
And then, like, a, like, a really nice handwritten letter would be really sweet with, like, flowers.
04:28:10.260
And, and this is all stuff that the guy's doing, right?
04:28:12.320
Yeah, and then I would obviously make them, like, a handwritten letter.
04:28:15.640
And then maybe, I don't know, I like art, so maybe I would, like, paint something for
04:28:19.360
them or, like, do something like that for them.
04:28:27.620
I feel like we probably have to split the bill.
04:28:46.500
So, that's something that the guy would bring to you.
04:28:52.740
So, what did your boyfriend and you do for, or you guys kind of don't do the Valentine's
04:28:58.800
Not really, but we do value quality time together, I guess.
04:29:03.500
So, this morning, we just went and got breakfast, but also, his birthday is on the 11th, so we
04:29:08.340
kind of go all out for that, or we don't really do much.
04:29:15.340
I thought you were, it sounded like you were winding down there.
04:29:25.060
What do you expect on Valentine's Day if you've been dating a guy for nine months?
04:29:28.460
Oh, I mean, I would expect just like some sort of plan, whether it's dinner or just something
04:29:36.880
to do together, but yeah, I don't really expect them to spend too much money on me, because
04:29:43.120
we have other things like birthdays, Christmas, stuff like that.
04:29:54.840
Well, I believe Valentine's Day is a corporate, it's invented by corporations to siphon money
04:30:01.620
from people, you know, the flowers that cost $10 any other day of the year cost $100, that
04:30:08.540
dinner reservation that costs $50 normally costs $500.
04:30:11.800
It's basically just a ploy by corporations to enrich in their pocket with just another bogus
04:30:21.540
And I do think there's a bit of an expectation on men to, you know, pony up a little bit
04:30:29.720
more on Valentine's Day, so on that front, I'm against it, so yeah.
04:30:47.120
From your views, I think she thinks that you would...
04:30:55.540
Yes, but I agree with you that there should be expectations on both sides of Valentine's
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It doesn't need to be like a special day, but what would I do for my girl?
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Like, my thing is, when it comes to providing, I don't think it should be upfront for men.
04:31:30.780
Like, I don't think you should do it upfront because of the way the dating marketplace is
04:31:36.160
When you first meet someone, you kind of have to assume that they're talking to other
04:31:39.240
people and they could be sleeping with one, two, three other people, which for me, like,
04:31:46.460
However, so, when it comes to, like, first dates and stuff, I don't think the guy should
04:31:50.920
I think you should just split because you're just getting to know each other.
04:31:54.040
But, like, if that's my girl, then I'm going to take care of everything.
04:32:01.540
Like, if I want to go to Hawaii, I'm not going to be like, hey, pony up.
04:32:17.560
You can't do the whole romantic shit where you're just taking girls out, spending money
04:32:22.720
Like, but if she's your girl, then I'm totally fine.
04:32:41.660
But, yeah, the commercialism and gimmick of Valentine's Day.
04:32:53.400
$25.9 billion will be spent on Valentine's Day.
04:33:12.280
Men will spend almost twice as much as women in 2023.
04:33:25.600
I don't know who you're spending it on because I'm not getting money spent on me, but.
04:33:33.540
I mean, like I said, I'm talking to someone, so I'm not really interested in other people
04:33:36.800
But you said you were single, but you're talking to someone.
04:33:40.540
Oh, I just talking to someone in situationships are so difficult because it's like.
04:33:53.860
No, because what like extent are you talking is hooking up?
04:34:05.020
There's a little more than kissing going on, I reckon.
04:34:14.520
Wait, you're not talking, but you're on a dating app, but you're not.
04:34:21.680
Yeah, so it's different, but I mean, I'm not like talking to other people.
04:34:50.640
Like, I don't know if I, we should date yet, but also like, I think it goes both ways.
04:34:58.480
But you want commitment, but he doesn't, he doesn't want to commit.
04:35:02.020
I don't think, I don't think he does want to commit.
04:35:04.240
I just don't think he wants to commit right now.
04:35:06.980
I think you need to find a new guy on this one.
04:35:09.140
I mean, like if you've broached, how long have you been in the talking stage?
04:35:20.020
I think I've been in the talking stage with this guy, like talky talking, like three months.
04:35:43.800
And you've broached the commitment subject, but he hasn't.
04:35:53.900
He brought it up in a conversation just kind of being like, look, I want to set some things
04:35:59.320
And where, like, I'll tell you where I want to go with this.
04:36:10.700
Just that, like he, at the moment, he doesn't want.
04:36:13.780
But I also said, I went first and I was like, at this very moment, I don't want to date
04:36:23.440
Obviously I would like to fall in love with someone, but like, I know like, as of now,
04:36:27.940
I should be really focusing on school and like, because when I date someone, I get very
04:36:32.580
involved with them and I become very like enmeshed.
04:36:42.840
But you, at this point in time, do you want commitment?
04:36:53.120
So, and when did, at what point, so you said three months?
04:36:58.680
Like two to three months, like midway, two and a half.
04:37:01.640
At what point did you guys have this conversation?
04:37:09.020
So, do you want to revisit the commitment conversation?
04:37:12.300
We kind of already started revisiting that conversation.
04:37:14.860
I mean, what, what, I don't see how people stay in these talking stages so long.
04:37:20.140
You guys make this, not, not you specifically, but people make this so complicated.
04:37:29.940
I mean, if you want to stay in limbo land, that's up to you.
04:37:38.460
Like I'm, I don't really care that I'm like talking like, yeah, it's nice to have someone
04:37:41.960
to talk to you and I'm not going to talk to anyone.
04:37:49.000
We've all, but we've, but we talked like if it does get serious and you're talking to
04:37:52.680
another girl, like obviously we'll be like, okay, you can go with that.
04:38:10.740
So, I mean, it's kind of, I mean, if you don't mind being in limbo land, I suppose that's
04:38:19.080
fine, but, um, typically when someone is not prepared to commit, they're keeping their
04:38:28.940
So I, I would suspect that he might not be, he could be very well seeing someone else.
04:38:35.840
If you found out definitively, if he was seeing someone else, would that, would you not want
04:38:45.580
I mean, we're not dating like, and I feel like this is very like.
04:39:03.280
So I don't, I don't like being in a situationship, but it's okay.
04:39:10.740
When's the last time you hooked up with somebody?
04:39:18.440
Did you get to go on the Valentine's Day thing, by the way?
04:39:28.300
So I appreciate your patience and I appreciate you guys who did stay.
04:39:32.320
Before I wrap up, last opportunity to speak now or forever.
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You could have been doing anything else, but you were here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show.
04:40:04.060
Thank you so much, guys, especially since YouTube and TikTok has us demonetized.
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Big thank you once again to the wonderful panel.
04:40:25.460
I'm trying to get it to three hours, but just the conversation was flowing.
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Guys, we will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
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I have a very good panel lined up for, actually, the next few panels are very, very good.
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Anyways, guys, hope you all have a wonderful night.