Dating Talk #58
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4 hours and 35 minutes
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200.98047
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304
Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first guest on the show, Lindsay! Lindsay is a college student, a leasing agent, and a whole lot more. We talk about how she got into the dating game, how she fell in love with online dating, and what it's like being pregnant with her third child.
Transcript
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Sempre un'amabile, legge addroviso, impianto in riso e menzognero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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La donna è mobile, qual piuma il vento, muta d'accento e di pensiero.
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California.
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Every Sunday and Tuesday at 7pm Pacific, I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
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I'm joined by my co-host, Kiki. She's a bit shy.
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So, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
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I go to the CC, and I'm an entrepreneurship major.
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About seven months, and then I get to disappear off the face.
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But just babies are cuter than Anon's in the chat sometimes.
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So we're going to go around the table one more time.
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I just got out of a relationship, like, last week.
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And my longest relationship was a year and a half.
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Okay, so you just got out of a relationship last week.
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From, you said a year and a half was your longest relationship?
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But then my rebound that just ended, it was, like, a rebound for, like, a situationship in, like, December.
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I've actually never been in a relationship, but I've had my fair share of situationships.
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What's the longest period of time that you've dated a guy?
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I've never dated, per se, but I was seeing someone, I guess, on and off for a good, like, four months.
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Besides that one, the four-month on-again, off-again thing, what's the longest period of time you say you've continued to see a guy?
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Maybe, obviously, it didn't lead to a proper relationship, but what's the longest?
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Probably another one for about, like, two months.
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I've just gotten to college, and I just, all my friends have been in relationships, and I don't know.
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I'm kind of looking for that a little bit, but I don't think I'm going to find it in Santa Barbara.
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You don't think you're going to find what in Santa Barbara?
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Because all the guys here don't, none of them want that, honestly.
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They don't really want something real, you know?
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Yeah, I'd say, but I don't really want to keep looking for it if no one's going to be willing to, you know?
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I'm also single, and I, like, just kind of going off her answer, I've not been in a committed relationship, but I've been committed to a person for about two years in the past.
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It must have been in a high school relationship.
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So, was that, so your longest relationship was two years then?
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It was a relationship, but not boyfriend-girlfriend.
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The same way you and I have a relationship, we just know each other, but it was, there was a romantic energy there, but it was never official, so.
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Was this, like, a pen pal situation, like, across the country?
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You met him playing World of Warcraft or something?
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It was a friend that was more than a friend, but.
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We just, you know, we never put the label on it.
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Is that because you didn't want it, or he didn't want it, or both?
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I guess technically, but we never really defined it.
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It was the epitome of settling, is what it was.
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Because I was really into him, and I was like, you know what?
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He doesn't want to be exclusive, so I'm okay to just, like, take what I can get, and it's
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taught me a lot about relationships and what I want in the future.
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So, in the moment, though, would you say that you settled, okay, so you settled for, it was
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worth it to be with him, even though he wasn't willing to commit to you, it was still worth
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it to keep him in your life, despite the fact he was not prepared to move things along.
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So, was he, like, exceptionally attractive babe status?
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I have a thing, I just, like, tall dudes are awesome, but I just, I feel like short guys
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are kind of where it's at, like, just overall, like, I think that better personality, and just
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in my experience, I have enjoyed time spent with shorter guys.
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Sorry, I am currently in a relationship, and I want to say my longest relationship was
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So, I actually was married for, together for 11 years, married for seven, so I got divorced
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about four years ago, and I've just been doing me and focusing on me and my son.
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I've had had a few situationships, just had one recent one that's not really worth mentioning.
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But the other one before that, that was a roller coaster for sure.
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I was, like, almost two years of just on and off, on and off, and it was a rebound from
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my divorce, so in my defense, I was, like, not really in it, but I kind of wanted to be
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in it, so it was back and forth, and then this last one has just been a few months, so.
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Are you, so you're currently seeing him, or are you split?
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How long, so how long have you been single, so to speak?
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We ended the situationship about earlier in the day, so yeah.
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So, and how long were you seeing him for again?
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You can't give me time and effort, communication.
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Like, breaking up with somebody or doing something over DMs.
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What do you mean a taste of their own medicine?
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Do you know how many guys have done that to girls?
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Just, like, just left them hanging or let them on.
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Well, not necessarily, but, like, most guys will stick by you.
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Women are much more likely to end relationships.
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Well, I mean, we can go around the table on this, then we'll have Allie come in and say
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But, um, of the times, so imagine all the guys that in any situation where you've had
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to say, hey, I don't want to see you anymore or, and that could manifest itself either in
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ghosting where you don't even overtly communicate it.
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So, basically, that could be anywhere from after the first date all the way to a one-year,
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So, that entire spectrum of the times where there's someone who's not wanting to see the
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other person, is it more often you or is it more often the guy?
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It's more often the guy for me, because usually, like, I...
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Usually, for me, like, if I'm not happy, like, I'll try to work things out.
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And, like, sometimes, like, I tend to kind of, like, go, like, like, I tend to, like,
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bend over backwards for someone that I like, even if, like, it makes me unhappy.
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But, yeah, and then sometimes, like, yeah, and then they would...
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Um, like, well, if it was, like, a first date thing and it just didn't go well, I would,
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But if, like, we've been seeing each other for, like, a bit, usually, like, he ends it
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I feel like I've had some pretty unique, like, situationships, friends with benefits type
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Um, my first one, the guy actually was here in my town, my hometown for a hockey, he was
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playing hockey, and then he was there for, like, three or four months.
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He was the longest one that I mentioned before.
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And then he ended up leaving because he had to go to another state to play.
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But I was really upset for a good, like, 20 minutes.
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And then I just got over it because I realized he was kind of ugly.
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I was kind of looking and I was like, oh, I just did it because he was there.
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And you said he was, you realized three months in he was ugly?
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So, but what about, like, think of all the, you said you've had a couple situationships
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The harsh truth is that no real man wants to be with any single moms.
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Go back to the baby daddy or daddy guy with kids.
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Those are your real bets I'm doing me aside for your child to see.
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You gotta say that shit into the microphone, first off.
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I feel bad for whoever's being spanked on that end.
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Yeah, but I'm also, I hate confrontation, so it's kind of like, yeah.
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I think it's more respectful to do it to their face, to tell them that you want to end things.
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No one wants to get broken up with over the phone.
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If it's a short period of time, you know, like nine months, that's a text.
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Maybe like a year and a half, then you get a phone call.
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I know, speaking for myself, I would much rather, even if I've been seeing a girl for like nine months, just send me a text.
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Why have you been with them for nine months, if you're okay with being broken up over the phone?
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Nine months is an incredibly short time to be in a relationship with anybody.
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Like, I'm actually quite shocked at how dysfunctional this panel is and how nobody can maintain long-term relationships.
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Brian, I was wondering how old you were, because for men, it's different, you know?
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Um, so I'm actually pregnant with a girl right now, so I'm having a daughter, and being here is like terrifying, because I have to see like the world that my daughter is going to come up in.
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And I don't want, like, what you guys are experiencing, I would never want or wish for my daughter.
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I don't want my daughter to be used by, like, some guy in high school or, like, some guy in college, because that's what's going on.
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Because we're talking about dating and situationships.
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And I don't want her to be used by some guy who could care less.
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You know, I want her to be able to exercise discernment and have better options.
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And we can talk about data and statistics along the way.
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You guys were talking about how one of you was saying that, you know, men lead more.
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So right now, like, Pew Research data just dropped, where 60% of men from 18 to 29, it's not even like they want a date anymore.
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So we're dealing with a very small pool of men, which means we need to be wise.
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But I don't think, I'm sorry, but I don't think any of y'all know how men work.
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Because the way that I'm hearing you guys talk, it's like two different worlds.
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Men operate on a completely different spectrum when it comes to relationships.
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And I'm not an expert, but I do have a YouTube channel.
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I interview wives on purpose that have been married 20, 30 years, much longer than myself.
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And I do that so women can get an education, because a lot of this stuff, like, this is just sad and heartbreaking to me.
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I want nothing but love, and hopefully children, if you guys want children, too.
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So there's another thing that's coming up, too, right?
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So 45% of women right now, from ages, I want to say 25 to 44, they're projected to be single by 2030.
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So, I mean, I know, not to be all philosophical, but I'm like, holy crap.
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I think California guys are possibly not where it's at.
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But I also find your statement incredibly condescending.
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Because you just said that we are dysfunctional for not being able to commit to long-term relationships.
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But then also just said that men are not looking for relationships.
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So how is it dysfunctional to not commit yourself and be in a long-term relationship when you can agree that that's also not what guys are looking for and it's okay to not want to waste your time?
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I think it was a really broad statement for you to say that everyone was dysfunctional.
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I personally am in a two-year or about to be two-year long committed relationship.
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And I think that it's a broad statement to kind of, like, put that out.
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I think that not only are guys, you know, not as much looking for relationships these days, but I don't think girls are either.
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So, like, that pool of men that I'm talking about, like, the 60%, like, those are nihilistic men.
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So then we're talking about, like, the 40% of men that are looking for relationships.
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The other perspective is, like, where it stands right now, only one in three and one in five men is even on sex in the first place.
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Like, if you guys get curious, because I just like to educate women, because I want you guys to live full lives.
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And I would assume, for a lot of women, you guys are looking for this romantic story, this kind of situation where you get to have a man to rely on, and you get to have children with him.
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I'm happy to share all this stuff with you guys.
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I, one day, want the white fence, and a husband who comes home, makes most of the money in our house.
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I don't think I'll ever have a time in my life where I'm not working.
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Pregnant lady is so 100% correct, Tom, mind blown.
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I've been waiting so long for someone to say this.
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This is part of the reason I'm 31 and single and waiting it out for the one to show up who is critical and uses data.
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Well, like, okay, to be fair, like, it's not necessarily y'all's fault.
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And the chat's going to get mad because this is, like, a predominantly male audience.
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I don't think our moms are teaching us how to get men that we are attracted to and how to keep them.
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Like, what did your mothers teach you about dating?
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I feel like, in my perspective, I grew up with a single dad who raised me.
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And I think that is part of the reason why I am in a good relationship and why I kind of know that there are roles in a relationship.
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And I think that's why I've been able to secure someone who has a really good job, someone who takes care of me, someone who is all about me.
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You know what I mean? And I do think that I was taught at a young age by my single dad how to be a good girlfriend because he was maybe so bitter about my mom.
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So I do understand kind of where you're coming from.
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I just was trying to say maybe it was a broad statement at first.
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What's the definition of a functional relationship?
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The definition of a functional relationship is one where both of your needs are getting met.
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And that's, so if it's not functional, I mean, you could call it neutral or you could say, like, and you could argue that it might be dysfunctional.
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But if you guys don't figure out how men are, like, you're going to get, like, ran up on hard.
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And then you're going to have, like, this darkness in your heart.
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And you're just going to not want to deal with men at all.
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Like, have you ever seen women on the other side?
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They're, like, miserable at your family functions and alone?
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I just, I want to say, I still think you're being quite condescending because we said we have not been in a long-term relationship.
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And we don't know what a good relationship looks like.
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Ladies on the panel, what Allie is saying is only condescending to you because you guys lack the knowledge of life that she has experienced.
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You won't get the white picket fence with a hubby with that entitled attitude.
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So, you said you were in, did you say you were in a relationship?
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I would expect you to be single when you're 18.
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But I would very much urge and encourage you guys to try to understand the opposite sex better because if you don't get married by 30, it's very unlikely that you will be married past that.
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And it has, I mean, you could look at it as a perspective of, like, aging and options.
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But it also comes down to, I don't know, I think there's also personality differences.
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I just think it's unlikely that if you're waiting that long to get married, it might not be a priority for you.
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But I would say that that's probably the minority of women, but we're being convinced that that's the majority of women right now.
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So, like, I would just look past at how my words make you feel.
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Because at the end of the day, I'm going to give birth to a girl.
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This is just, like, not what I would want for her.
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Because it's not, like, you're talking about...
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Waiting for a good guy to come along to commit to?
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Or is your advice, hop into a relationship as young as you can to secure a man?
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I wouldn't say hop into a relationship, like, as young as you can.
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Because most women are, like, honestly, very...
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The youngest I've seen a woman be aware of, like, herself in romance is 24.
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And to know what she wants fully and to know herself.
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Unless you're growing up in a two-parent traditional religious household.
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So I wouldn't, like, you know, necessarily send up in this world, like, send off my daughter to get married at 18.
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And unless that was her personality type, to where she just always wanted long-term relationships.
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So, but I would encourage my daughter to get married.
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You know, I think a lot of women find fulfillment in marriage and children.
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Like, I'm kind of confused at why you're upset with me.
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I think that marriage is a serious source of fulfillment.
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And, you know, two-parent households are what makes the world a better place.
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You came out and said that we are dysfunctional because we are not in relationships.
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And then you made it seem like, because I'm 18 and not in a relationship, I'm never going to get married.
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That's, that, I'm not, like, I'm not trying to be mean.
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But I'm not saying that if you don't get married at 18 that you'll never get married.
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That's not the statement that I made at all, right?
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Like, you're making a different argument that wasn't said.
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I said that it's dysfunctional to let men use your bodies and to be waiting for him for two years.
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But most women are out there, right, because we want these guys to like us.
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No, well, you're in a two-year relationship, so we're, like, we're not even really talking about you.
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But does that mean that they haven't figured anything out?
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What I'm saying, though, is I understand that you're not necessarily saying it to them, but you are inferring it with what you're saying.
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You're staring at us and saying, you guys, and you haven't done this, and you haven't done that.
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It was just, like, the fact that, you know, we're, like, we're pretty young, and we're talking about how we haven't...
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Like, our longest relationship is, like, two years, one year and a half, and you're saying, like, I'm very, like, terrified that you guys can't, like, hold down to, you know, long-term relationships.
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We shouldn't really be in, like, such long-term relationships at this age.
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And just the way you're just saying, like, you know, I'm worried for my daughter because this is the future she lives in.
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But it's, like, if you're so worried about your daughter, like, wouldn't you be able to teach her how to, you know, like, do what you want her to do?
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Okay, but you did say what you wanted her to do.
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It's, like, you wanted her to, like, you know, kind of, you know, have a fulfilling life.
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Okay, so, like, before the show, we're talking about dating apps.
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I've seen a lot of relationships come off of Hinge.
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But when we're talking about Tinder and we're already complaining about the small pool of men that we're having issues with,
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like, if you are a man with malicious intent or if you are a man who, you know, like, let's say he has a proclivity towards sociopathy or narcissism and he's attractive,
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he's going to be using Tinder in order to date you guys.
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Like, I wouldn't, I'm just, why would you be on these apps?
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I just think, like, we're on, like, different life stages because, like, with me, like, yeah, like, dating, it would, like, add some, like, you know, fun to my life.
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But, like, for you, it's, like, you know, you're, like, settling down.
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But for, I feel like when you're younger, like, my age and, like, everyone's age here, it's, like, I'm not, I'm not here to, like, settle down at my age.
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But it's, like, you know, it's, like, to have, like, somebody to kind of rely on.
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Not somebody to be, like, oh, like, have my babies.
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Like, I'm just looking for something different right now.
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Like, I'm not really focused on, like, a husband.
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And a lot of women use the word dating as a euphemism.
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Like, when we talk about situationships, it's often, like, we're talking about unprotected sex.
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Like, we live in a world that has hormonal birth control.
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Like, I'm not, I'm not saying, like, you just don't have to say anything that you're doing behind the scenes.
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But, you know, if we're just dating men and we're not necessarily, like, giving our bodies to them
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or we're getting to know them, like, that's amazing and that's awesome.
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But I don't think that that's what most women are doing.
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I have a YouTube channel with 145,000 subscribers.
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And it's just because, like, I really believe in love.
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But if we set really bad habits by the time we're 30, those are just really hard to break.
00:31:48.920
Your brain is more malleable the closer you, I mean, 25 years old and younger.
00:31:54.480
So, it's like, yeah, like, take your time and date.
00:31:56.700
But I wouldn't recommend just, like, freely giving your body to men.
00:32:00.320
And the men that are looking for your body to be freely given to them, they're going to be on Tinder.
00:32:07.600
I don't think any of us said that we're doing that.
00:32:14.360
And a lot of the times when we use the word dating, we're using it as a euphemism for unprotected sex.
00:32:20.340
So, what's the advice that you give these women?
00:32:24.000
Because I don't think any of us disagree with you.
00:32:32.360
So, let's, you know, I'm going to pretend that I'm a woman.
00:32:43.160
Let me just interrupt really quick, but I'll have Allie come in.
00:32:48.900
So, just a heads up for anyone who's in Canada or Australia, I don't know what the conversion is.
00:32:55.960
If you want to trigger TTS, the conversion, if it's through Super Chat, it has to be converted to $100 USD.
00:33:08.140
So, whatever that would be in Canadian, but I'll just read it now just because you probably didn't know.
00:33:12.700
So, any Streamlabs donations, if you wanted, well, it's all through Streamlabs.
00:33:16.340
So, TTS has to be triggered through, you know, the $100 USD, or if you do it on Streamlabs, it's $90 USD.
00:33:27.260
If you act like a 304 while you're waiting for the perfect man to come along, then he may never come.
00:33:35.200
I'm 100% pregnant, but I think the panel's goal is not diminishing the young girls.
00:33:41.120
These young ladies have been brainwashed by the crappy mainstream ideology for years.
00:33:57.280
Yeah, so, just so y'all know, like, a little bit of my history.
00:34:08.800
And, like, that's also something I'm known for online.
00:34:13.080
It's like, if I want it to be mean, like, you know,
00:34:19.920
But you said earlier what my advice would be to a woman who's on 27
00:34:33.380
So, there are promiscuous people that are happy to, like, smash and pass,
00:34:44.840
Do you guys, what do you guys think about that?
00:34:55.000
Do you guys think that men, when they're sleeping with women,
00:34:59.560
do you think, like, most of them want relationships with the women
00:35:02.740
Or do you think that, you know, they're just trying to get their rocks off?
00:35:14.860
because the majority of us are, per David Buss and his work,
00:35:18.060
he's, like, I think an evolutionary psychologist.
00:35:20.700
So, like, most of us are long-term mating strategists, right?
00:35:23.760
So, most of the guys that we sleep with, we probably want to date.
00:35:28.820
that men who have access to women that they sleep with,
00:35:32.500
do you think that they want to date those women?
00:35:35.640
I have dated every single guy, I think, that I've slept with.
00:35:40.360
I have, like, consistently, I mean, it's not always beneficial,
00:35:43.240
but I've, like, dated around and been exclusive with every single guy that I've ever slept with.
00:35:48.060
I would say it kind of is just the kind of guy you're talking to.
00:35:54.700
It kind of just depends what you're looking for and what kind of guy you attract or what kind of guy you go for.
00:36:01.940
Like, the guys that can sleep with women, most of the women they sleep with, you think they want to date them?
00:36:08.980
I would say in my personal experience, yeah, every guy that I've ever had sex with has wanted to date me.
00:36:14.960
Well, I mean, then you're good at, like, you're good at picking.
00:36:17.100
What do you guys think about, like, guys who have access?
00:36:19.300
Most guys, they just want to, like, smash and just go.
00:36:27.760
I think generally guys aren't looking for a relationship.
00:36:32.100
At our age, I think, they're really just looking to sleep around, you know.
00:36:39.180
And just because I think if we sleep with them, I don't think that we're wrong.
00:36:44.380
But I, and I think it's more of the guy's fault.
00:36:47.040
Like, a girl can be wanting to completely date a guy and sleep with them.
00:36:54.560
You, honestly, I've had, I don't want to keep saying situationships, but I've had relationships with people where I'm way more into it than the guy.
00:37:09.040
But I think guys are more looking to sleep around.
00:37:14.240
Yeah, I'm thinking probably 90% of single guys, sex is just, you know, a physical act that feels good.
00:37:20.000
Whereas for women, it's an emotional, me, it's a spiritual, like it's a deep thing.
00:37:26.060
I think it's the most intimate thing you can do with another person other than, you know, feel love for each other in a different way.
00:37:34.180
But, yeah, no, I think that the majority of dudes are not, do not value the act of sex the way that women do.
00:37:42.780
Well, that's a pretty profound thing, what you just said.
00:37:50.400
In terms of how you value sex, I think probably I would say even a lot of people your age would not say that.
00:38:01.880
I think that it is so wrong in today's, not only media, but just our culture, the whole, you know, sexual freedom and sexual revolution.
00:38:11.840
Like, there's, there's certainly, you know, positive sides to what that has done.
00:38:16.440
It's, you know, I don't necessarily think slut shaming in any way is good.
00:38:20.300
I think that we live in America, which is the biggest gift any of us could have.
00:38:24.880
And we all have the freedom to do whatever we like.
00:38:27.520
But I believe that, you know, valuing yourself and your body is, gosh, more important than anything.
00:38:36.880
So, like, so the problem with if we get caught up, right, in being convinced that we're short-term mating strategists,
00:38:43.500
which is, like, the small pool of men and women who can smash and pass and they're content.
00:38:47.100
If we get convinced that we're actually long-term mating strategists, like, we might end up alone from bad habits.
00:38:54.800
So, like, that's why I would tell that 27-year-old who says, like, I'm on the apps.
00:39:05.780
This Generation Z is ultra-sensitive to negative feedback.
00:39:13.700
Dot on this panel, I see undeveloped 18-years-old brains who are in dire need of a relationship mentor,
00:39:27.060
I think that our generation is extremely too sensitive.
00:39:33.200
I feel like a lot of people can almost, hopefully, I think that everyone can agree with that.
00:39:37.660
I don't know anyone who calls our generation tough.
00:39:41.040
And I feel like, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt.
00:39:43.540
I feel like I'm getting called out because I was like, listen, I think you're being a little condescending speaking to us like this, but I am fully with you.
00:39:51.420
I totally agree, and I, you know, I can confidently say not many people in my generation could grow up in the household I grew up in.
00:40:01.080
You know, I was not beaten, but my parents were not soft on me, and I am as well a blunt individual.
00:40:06.940
So if I feel like I'm being spoken down to, I'm going to speak up to you because I totally respect you, and I think you're super smart, and I'd like to have a cordial conversation.
00:40:15.140
And I think that you're looking at us as, you know, Gen Z, who I think that I am, you know, would not morally fall into that category.
00:40:30.120
But, you know, if we're going to have this conversation, I totally agree, but it's just the, you know, it's the you and them, and so I agree.
00:40:37.860
Gen Z needs to hear all this, but this panel, I think it's more of a conversation than a lecture.
00:40:45.300
Yeah, like, I definitely, so I just graduated undergrad, too, in May.
00:40:50.940
Yeah, I have a degree in anthropology, but I also saw, like, kind of the stuff that was going on in modern dating, and so, like, you know, you guys are just so beautiful, and if you don't figure.
00:41:04.800
No, I genuinely mean it, and, you know, like, being pregnant with a daughter has really made this, like, a reality check,
00:41:11.620
because I had a bias in favor of men for, like, a really long time, because I also work predominantly in men's issues,
00:41:18.280
and men have been very good to me in these last couple of years of my life, but when I found out, when I had my ultrasound,
00:41:24.640
and there wasn't any dingleberries on my baby, I was like, oh, crap, like, what are women's issues again?
00:41:29.700
And this is because I'm married to a very good man.
00:41:32.080
He treats me very well, so I've just been protected from a lot of things.
00:41:35.280
I would say for over, well, it's going to be two years soon, but I've been married for a year.
00:41:39.760
I just had my first anniversary, so now I'm, like, being faced with this stuff, and so when you guys are talking about, like,
00:41:44.920
these guys that are, like, using you, and look, like, it's a small pool of men.
00:41:49.440
But when you're saying this stuff, I'm like, no, like, I don't want this for my kid, you know?
00:41:54.300
And because when you guys talk about these failed breakups and stuff, because I'm a woman, too,
00:41:59.700
so I just think about all the times that I've cried over guys, or, and I know you guys have done it, too,
00:42:05.520
like, you know, 2 a.m., like, I hate this guy, I wish he was dead, but it's just because I think we don't understand how they work, you know?
00:42:12.220
So that's all I really do, and it can sound, like, blunt and condescending, but I'm also just being faced with this,
00:42:18.680
I have to figure out the world for my baby girl, and, oh, no, she's not going to be in California.
00:42:23.440
I'm sorry, UC Santa Barb, like, no, thank you, like, we're going to stay in the Midwest, like, no, you got me messed up, no, no.
00:42:29.380
Yeah, well, so UCSB, it's frequently ranked as the number one party school in the U.S., Isla Vista, the community that surrounds it,
00:42:38.320
it's basically 20,000 college students crammed into a space less than the area of a square mile, so if, yeah, probably maybe not the most ideal place to.
00:42:49.780
No, when you're talking about your dating pool and your stats, that's not in Ivy, that's not in Santa Barbara, so.
00:42:55.620
Really quick, just big shout out to Flan Life, Andrew there, thank you for the, I think you've done, like, 40 gifted memberships so far tonight, but you did 20, so.
00:43:06.840
Thank you, Andrew, really appreciate your continued patronage week after week.
00:43:11.880
Really quick, because we didn't get to, get to you on this, kind of your relationship situation, right, we didn't get to you, did we?
00:43:19.480
No, no, we didn't, I talked a little bit about it, like, I can share more.
00:43:23.140
So in 28, I've been married for a year, also, I'm in an age gap marriage, so I just, millennial men, I'm sorry, I know you guys are in the chat,
00:43:32.700
but something is wrong with y'all, so, yeah, I'm sorry, hold on, no, Brian, I stand by it, I'm, I'm, I am a millennial.
00:43:55.760
I'm also millennial, I don't look good, but I'm 34.
00:44:00.880
Yeah, and, like, it's not to Nikki, like, there's problems with millennial women, for sure, and I was like, there's, surely, there's problems with women that are, you know, like, Gen Z women as well, like, it, it, I do equal, equal rights, equal lefts.
00:44:10.820
Um, Gen X men, oh, thank you, whatever the sound is about to be.
00:44:18.140
Um, so, like, Gen X men, this is what I mean by, I'm in an age gap marriage, right?
00:44:24.660
Gen X men, they had to, well, he's got a six pack, though, so it's like a, yeah, it's bad.
00:44:43.940
Yeah, but it's like, I'm not dating my dad, though, you know what I mean?
00:44:57.620
So, like, when I am 50 and he's 70, is anybody gonna care?
00:45:04.440
Like, nobody, like, because I'm young now, a lot of people care and they think, like,
00:45:07.260
oh, like, you've been groomed or blah, blah, blah, but I started dating him when I was 25,
00:45:11.320
So, like, my point about, like, Gen X men versus millennial men.
00:45:14.340
Millennial men have, like, bought into this equality stuff where they, you know.
00:45:21.240
These college-aged women are the children of feminism and failed ideology that is now causing
00:45:28.500
As I stated in a previous episode, older slash wiser women used to keep younger, more naive.
00:45:43.940
However, like, checking women, you know, they're not going to listen if you anger them.
00:45:47.840
So, you have to, like, talk to them with empathy.
00:45:49.300
I know this is shocking, but, so, like, millennial men, for some reason, they bought into this
00:45:55.120
nonsense about, like, gender equality and, yeah, you know, I can have these more feminine
00:46:04.040
And if you go look at, like, old 80s movies, there was, like, the jock and their cheerleader.
00:46:10.400
And so, like, these dudes, they had to get your number and you had to call and then you had
00:46:14.980
to make plans and then you got rejected in person.
00:46:18.160
I don't know what's going on with, like, the social media and the swipes.
00:46:23.020
Now, women, like, we don't have game either because, you know, what the men tell me about,
00:46:26.120
like, modern game, they say, like, we suck at conversation.
00:46:30.140
Yeah, most of us are pretty personality-less, I'd have to say.
00:46:35.460
You know, back in the day, dudes had to be a dude, be a man.
00:46:38.200
But, you know, there's just, like, I mean, you've got all your numbers and I'm blanking
00:46:44.820
But the levels of testosterone in men today versus in men 60 years ago are insanely different.
00:46:53.820
America's, you know, food system is just an absolute joke.
00:46:57.900
And we are just eating garbage our whole life and everything's made out of soy.
00:47:04.260
And I don't want to be like, oh, screw the government.
00:47:06.960
But, you know, there is a serious, like, biological lack there.
00:47:12.220
So, men today are half as fertile as their grandfathers.
00:47:15.880
Like, the same thing's happening to women, right?
00:47:24.500
But, I mean, I'm more on the romantic side of things when it comes to, like, I do want
00:47:28.100
a masculine man that I look up to, which means I don't necessarily want to be equal to my
00:47:32.460
And so, like, that's why I ended up dating older.
00:47:37.980
I just, I don't think that, I think there's a very small pool of masculine millennial men.
00:47:44.940
And I think competition would have been probably really hard for me.
00:47:47.700
I don't even know the kind of women that they would have married.
00:47:49.740
Probably more on the traditional side of things for those men that were willing to get married.
00:47:53.620
But my husband has shared some stories as well.
00:47:55.620
Like, he just couldn't say no to women until he was, like, 35.
00:47:59.960
So, I think sometimes it is beneficial to go older.
00:48:05.060
But age gaps to you guys, like, don't, you know, 23 years is a lot, okay?
00:48:08.200
But, like, an age gap to y'all could be, like, four to seven years, you know?
00:48:11.760
And, like, just don't forget that you don't have to just date the guys your age.
00:48:15.880
Well, I think that's so normalized now, like, dating someone older than you.
00:48:23.080
The guy that you're dating is 20-something years older than you.
00:48:25.920
I know this is a little bit weird because it was a long time ago.
00:48:28.980
But my grandma is dating someone, I want to say, 30 years younger than her.
00:48:34.000
And they've been together for, like, 10 years now.
00:48:35.980
And at first, like, when I was young hearing that, I'm like, what the fuck?
00:48:38.640
But now I'm like, okay, it's a little bit more normal.
00:48:40.660
And, like, growing up, I also dated older guys, so I don't think that there's anything weird about that at all.
00:48:50.100
I want to say he was probably, like, 20, but I was, like, 16 at the time.
00:49:08.160
Right now I'm dating someone that's two years older than me.
00:49:17.060
Yeah, I feel like it's weird because I was 16, though.
00:49:22.260
Yeah, well, if it's within four years and it's consensual, it's legal.
00:49:28.820
If he's, you know, I think, I want to say, as long as the younger party is above 14 in California, they can date to 18.
00:49:40.160
And then I think if you're 15, you can date 19.
00:49:45.140
But I think that there is a law there that until you're 18, you can date up to four years older than you.
00:49:49.260
I think just honestly just wait until 21 to even hold hands.
00:49:58.220
So we have Flan Life here who donated 50 memberships.
00:50:09.640
So if we can have everyone stand up, do a little fit check, you know.
00:50:47.380
I'm trying to kind of recall where we were kind of heading.
00:51:04.480
Did your parents raise you like on the conservative side of things?
00:51:10.580
I'm going to move to Nashville or Tennessee once I graduate.
00:51:16.360
Like, I've been hearing good things about the men in Tennessee.
00:51:25.980
You don't like the millennials, the California guys.
00:51:32.940
But I'm also willing to be, like, that soft, demure woman to that lumberjack because we
00:51:46.120
Yeah, that was an interesting time in my life serving.
00:51:48.780
And all the gender equality stuff is actually very damaging for women and disabling them.
00:51:55.300
If you could, like, stop pushing gender equality for physical demands in the military, that would
00:52:01.380
It's, like, my hips are shot for the rest of my life and I'm not the only woman.
00:52:20.060
Have any of you ever had a sugar daddy or had an offer of a sugar daddy?
00:52:27.200
I mean, I feel like everyone's gotten, like, an offer.
00:52:32.640
I've gotten those weird DMs from those fake Instagram accounts, but never.
00:52:58.820
We can go around and I'll explain it when everyone's done if we want.
00:53:11.380
I'd rather just have, like, the ring, the health insurance, dental insurance, and babies.
00:53:27.700
Oh, well, I mean, I haven't found anyone to be in a committed relationship with.
00:53:31.020
Well, if you did, would you want to have more kids?
00:53:45.860
Is that when you go get food and you get paid and kind of.
00:53:47.840
A foodie call basically is, like, you're going on a date with a guy.
00:53:50.960
A guy obviously assuming he's going to pay for the date, but you don't really have any
00:53:56.640
It could just also be, like, he invited you to the event.
00:53:58.700
He's going to pay for it, but you don't have any interest in actually pursuing.
00:54:03.080
Well, I wouldn't say, like, kind of, yeah, but it was, like, the guy paid me to go on
00:54:07.160
the date with him, and I see that as a 16-year-old, and I'm, like, hell, yeah, and I go, and
00:54:12.260
then, you know, I'm, like, as I grew older, I'm, like, okay, like, I'm going to just
00:54:47.560
I made sure to be as safe as possible that you can be going on a date with an old man.
00:54:51.240
But it's just like Tinder, if you really think about it.
00:54:52.860
I mean, it's like, you're going on a date with a random man.
00:54:56.080
Yeah, but, like, getting, you know, chopped into pieces, like, that's real.
00:55:06.380
But, you know, I mean, you could get chopped up on a Tinder date in the middle of nowhere,
00:55:17.660
Yeah, like, Hinge, you have to use strategically.
00:55:20.340
You have to get, like, a professional photo shoot.
00:55:21.880
And you have to be, like, conversational and cute and witty and the prompts.
00:55:24.460
And if you don't do that, like, you're just, yeah.
00:55:37.140
Brian, for getting Pearl's spirit animal, shout out to just pearly things.
00:55:41.960
On the show, something like 75% of Americans are obese or overweight.
00:55:46.880
But you always manage to find good-looking women in our body positivity country.
00:55:53.600
You know, there's a high concentration of attractive women in Santa Barbara.
00:56:04.300
The only thing that's good about California is, like, thin women.
00:56:26.860
It might be because of the first thing that you just said.
00:56:41.060
Well, he's saying that he was basically, I guess, complimenting me for not having obesity.
00:56:50.880
I mean, you guys know that there's, like, this country's full of fat chicks, right?
00:57:00.700
But, statistically, like, women are getting fatter faster.
00:57:09.760
And, again, our food in America, which is a huge pressing problem.
00:57:26.800
So, they make these jokes because a lot of, like, fat women, they still want dudes with
00:58:00.440
Well, what do you think about the body positivity movement?
00:58:19.040
It's, it's like body positivity to a certain extent.
00:59:23.620
Pearl's the only channel, for some reason, that she can't say fat on.
00:59:28.080
She's not allowed to say it on her channel anymore.
00:59:53.620
Have you guys ever used the term big dick energy?
01:00:11.120
Like, Lindsay gets up and, like, does something manly.
01:00:18.180
Lindsay was just my first example because she's right next to me.
01:00:21.780
Like, my car is, like, big dick energy or something.
01:00:30.620
Like, what if, like, dudes came out and said small tit energy?
01:00:35.760
Well, first off, let me just go around the table really quick.
01:00:43.220
Have you ever used the term big dick energy or small dick energy?
01:01:20.640
And I guess imagine those times where you did say, hmm, how do I want to frame this?
01:01:37.240
I told my dad the other day that he was growing a vagina because he was being lame.
01:01:41.140
You know, like, I have, once again, though, my dad was in the Navy.
01:01:47.580
Like, my first word was probably fuck, you know?
01:01:55.580
I get what you're saying, kind of, but it goes both ways.
01:01:57.920
Like, I'll be offensive towards the female gender as well.
01:02:02.840
I mean, I don't think it's, like, once again, like, you're super sensitive if you think saying
01:02:06.440
big dick or small dick energy is, like, you know, and then you turn around and you
01:02:10.220
get offensive if someone says loose pussy energy.
01:02:14.420
I guess the point I'm trying to make is, is that big dick energy, small dick energy
01:02:18.320
is so kind of almost accepted term and, like, people don't really give it a second thought.
01:02:22.780
But if a guy were to drop loose pussy energy in casual conversation, you'd be like, um,
01:02:29.940
excuse, like, a lot of girls would probably, like, not be cool with that, you know?
01:02:43.460
No, I heard some people say, um, I've heard, like, guys be like, she has, like, toxic pussy.
01:02:52.040
Not me, but, like, I've heard people, like, it's kind of like, you know, like, big dick
01:02:57.600
Like, I know some guys go, like, that girl, I bet she has toxic pussy.
01:03:11.740
Like, I mean, I think I've heard, like, Kung Fu Grip.
01:03:32.580
Because it just, like, it opens up to, like, some really weird stuff.
01:03:35.500
But, like, y'all don't think it's weird that, you know, we can say things like small
01:03:39.120
dick energy, but if, like, dudes can't say small tit energy...
01:03:49.180
I think women made the word big dick energy because I can't imagine dudes, like, sitting
01:03:52.860
around, like, what's the cool phrase to describe my confidence?
01:04:30.020
We did adjust the Super Chat and donation triggers.
01:04:41.400
Also, if you donate through Streamlabs, streamlabs.com slash whatever, it's a little bit lower, 45 plus to read and 90 plus to trigger TTS if you do it through Streamlabs donations.
01:04:57.020
Eric, can you grab that cover that's over there and just give it to the girls?
01:05:08.740
If you guys want to drape that along your legs.
01:05:16.940
Someone in the chat said that I don't respect my dad for saying that he has a vagina.
01:05:39.000
Like, you know, our household, pretty big on the profanity there.
01:05:43.280
But, like, people wouldn't understand it in the culture.
01:05:46.180
It's just like you were raised by a single dad.
01:05:48.140
So I think, like, you're going to have, you know, more masculine personality traits and things like that.
01:05:53.540
Which is, like, it can be a problem if you're trying to, like, you know, end up with a total lumberjack.
01:06:03.520
Well, I mean, you should be teaching women then.
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If you've been together with a firefighter for two years, like, you need to share your secrets.
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But I will also say your boyfriend is really freaking awesome.
01:06:18.020
And I don't know his family, but from what you say, he was raised, like, really properly.
01:06:23.880
And, you know, you treat him like a man and it works out well.
01:06:28.300
You know, it's hard for women to be nurturing and loving when they're forced to, oh, my, I don't want to say, like, go work and be the man.
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But, you know, he supports you like that emotionally.
01:06:54.520
So Stifler, ask the ladies to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
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Well, when I look in the mirror, of course, I want to say ten.
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But, like, to someone else's side, they may not think that.
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But the majority of girls in Santa Barbara are going to be prettier.
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If you're going to be a beautiful woman, so we'll do, like, eight to ten, you're probably
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going to be offered a beauty contract, a modeling contract.
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So, like, I fully embrace being an adjustable six until, you know, I hit, like, whatever
01:08:06.320
this magical wall is where I start getting wrinkles on my collagen, like, fails.
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But the amount of simpery these days, like, I'm not sure if that is.
01:08:18.640
But I will do the responsible thing as an adult.
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And I will rate myself as a four because I'm seven months pregnant.
01:08:23.800
If you still think I'm a six and, you know, like, I just think there's something wrong
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But, I mean, I also don't look my age, so there's that.
01:08:41.840
I've been told I look, like, ten years younger.
01:08:52.460
All right, we have Mike here with the Canadian 50.
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I'm going to have Rin read these because she wants to read.
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The guys don't want anything real because of what you're putting out into the world.
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I don't know if you're in the French-speaking part of Canada.
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Thank you, guys, for the TTSs that came through.
01:09:26.520
Can we stop overvaluing marriage and kids as a starter pack to becoming a successful
01:09:31.020
Brian, ask these women where they see themselves in five years professionally and personally.
01:09:52.480
So where do they see themselves in five years professionally and personally?
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Why don't we start with you first and then we'll go this way.
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My focus is my son and I'm going to school to become a PA, Physicians Assistant in Neuroscience.
01:10:23.280
But I shared custody, split custody, but the relationship got so bad that I didn't want
01:10:34.580
I always knew I was going to make more money than him anyway.
01:10:44.100
Um, personally, I see myself, you know, just growing with the same guy and then professionally,
01:10:55.380
I want to say maybe I'll be having leasing agents work for me.
01:11:00.380
Hopefully, maybe I'll be like a property owner, um, or own a brokerage or something like
01:11:15.600
Um, in five years, I see myself, uh, owning my own business.
01:11:27.060
I, I hopefully in five years, I'll be in a, in a serious long-term relationship.
01:11:33.700
I think that that is, in my opinion, a little young to get married.
01:11:38.040
Um, but I do hope to be fully committed to someone who's also fully committed to me
01:11:53.140
I, I do want to hopefully be in a relationship by then, hopefully long-term, but I don't,
01:12:00.640
I don't think I can see myself getting married super young.
01:12:03.220
My mom got married when she was, I think 32 or something.
01:12:07.740
And I think that's kind of, I don't want to be married in my twenties, I think.
01:12:15.700
Like it's, it's for women with commitment issues.
01:12:22.920
They, they make, they make a lot of money, Allie, but, but like I've encountered travel
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nurses on dating apps and whatnot on dating apps.
01:12:36.900
I'm saying where you're like, I've seen the travel nurses on the dating apps.
01:12:40.680
I'm like, well, that's why they're on the dating apps.
01:12:43.260
But travel nurses are like, first off, they're in a new city every couple of weeks, every
01:12:50.520
And so it's just like astronomical body counts.
01:12:57.180
That's why I'm like, you know, just pick somewhere cute, recommend the Midwest, Tennessee, go
01:13:05.240
You know, what's worse than travel nurses is flight attendants.
01:13:27.560
Well, for men and women, singles and marrieds, like something's wrong with a travel nurse
01:13:32.720
Like when you're young and you're like, I just want to travel the country.
01:13:35.720
Then it's like, you're 35, still a travel nurse.
01:13:42.600
Like I usually, honestly, I usually think they're, they're using it as a way to run from someone.
01:13:45.940
Cause there's people that keep, have you noticed, um, I don't know if you guys know people that
01:13:52.020
There's some women that they just can't stay in one location for long and they just keep
01:13:56.480
And it's cute if it's like something that makes you happy, but it's like not cute if
01:14:04.880
Personally, I've always been really into travel.
01:14:10.060
My parents have taken me to so many different countries and I think, I think it would be
01:14:16.720
I don't necessarily see it as I'm running from somewhere.
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I think it's just cool to be able to experience different places and maybe live there.
01:14:32.860
Rin, where are you going to see yourself in five years?
01:14:44.260
Like around the world and I will be single or something.
01:14:55.800
Aren't you, don't, aren't you doing content creation too?
01:15:05.460
Um, so are you trying to be a content creator or what are you trying to do?
01:15:08.660
Um, I mean, I get like really cool opportunities being a content creator, but like, I don't
01:15:13.020
know if it would be like, like a, you know, like a long-term job for like career for the
01:15:21.720
Is it ironic that the ginger is dating a man who cares for upstairs uses through fear walks?
01:15:28.260
Also, Ren, I thought Asians were supposed to have the highest IQ.
01:15:34.060
Just FYI, men view a woman's career like women view a man's shoe slash gun.
01:15:39.760
Ren, do you want to shoot shots back at a high volume?
01:15:42.840
It's just like every time I go on a live stream, like people roast me just by bringing
01:15:50.020
I was just talking about this earlier, like be creative, have something else to say.
01:15:54.920
Roast her because she, uh, wears a Hello Kitty necklace or something.
01:16:07.260
Allie, you wanted to, uh, say something to Natalie here.
01:16:13.480
Cause you just, you're just not a happy person, but, um, I wanted to say this, like, did you
01:16:19.000
know that you can travel and be married also be like in a dating and a committed relationship.
01:16:24.560
And sometimes it's better like traveling alone.
01:16:27.240
Um, but you know, if you meet that guy, that's like your world to an extent, let's not idolize
01:16:32.560
him because that would be, you know, that's really bad to make him like God like, but you
01:16:45.640
But, um, I genuinely miss my husband and I wish that I was with him, you know, and the
01:16:51.720
times that we have traveled together have been so much more enriching.
01:16:56.320
Like you can travel married and I know, but I know you want to wait to get married as well.
01:17:00.380
So, and there's lots of different ways to travel.
01:17:02.540
You know, you could do it through a college, like study abroad and stuff like that.
01:17:05.860
Um, yeah, you know, but in any case, let's pull up this Natalie super chat.
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Can we stop overvaluing marriage and kids as a starter pack?
01:17:16.100
Oh, so like marriage and kids, like that's a starter pack to you.
01:17:18.480
That's really, that's just not nice to, uh, joyful marriages and children.
01:17:22.540
We live in a society that wants you single fat, broke, and childless.
01:17:26.480
And you're adding to that with your 49 99, a donation of, you know, just like, what do
01:17:34.400
Um, ask these women where they see themselves in five years professionally and personally
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for myself, hopefully I will have two biological children, one adopted child, and I'll be raising
01:17:45.920
them, which is just as valuable as if I got a PhD or if I was making six figures, it matters
01:17:55.380
So how dare you like degrade married women who want to reproduce and do a good thing for
01:18:01.940
Um, and the fertility stats show that you're a problem as well because 50.1% of women in
01:18:08.500
This is unprecedented and most women want to have kids.
01:18:18.760
Where do you, where do you see yourself in five years?
01:18:21.120
Like marriage and kids is a starter pack, like starter pack to who?
01:18:32.560
Shout out to Brian for having her on just pearly things.
01:18:36.700
Hey, Andrew, thank you for the, uh, uh, super chat there.
01:18:39.980
And, uh, wow, you, that's a lovely, uh, volleyball beach volleyball serve you have.
01:18:46.180
Um, yeah, we have Ellie, Ellie good gal, $50 soup chat.
01:18:59.420
I said before on comments, more than more or less 12 age gap, in my opinion, is too much.
01:19:05.900
Nothing beats marrying closer to your age, building wealth and a life together and growing
01:19:10.700
I'd never be attracted to a much older guy than me just because of high status.
01:19:26.160
The man was built like a Greek God for decades.
01:19:34.760
So it's like, it's not like, you know, a fat dude who's in his late forties.
01:19:40.140
And I'm not just with him because of his high status.
01:19:41.940
I just wanted freedom to be able to do things that I wanted to do, like raise children and
01:19:49.620
And my husband gives me that you're just shaming older men for marrying younger women.
01:19:53.620
And you're mad because we can, like, if you think about it, wouldn't it be over?
01:19:57.940
So like the women that are in their late thirties, if you guys just woke up tomorrow and in mass,
01:20:03.020
if young women woke up tomorrow and realized that 35 year old men are hot, it'd be over
01:20:13.420
Like if we just all, if like a mass of young women woke up tomorrow and we're like 35 year old
01:20:16.980
men are hot, like it'd be over for these older women.
01:20:20.840
So like, they just get really rude about these age gaps.
01:20:26.000
Um, like, let's say I was the one that was 51 and let's say that my husband was 28.
01:20:36.640
Well, it's certainly less common, but I also think that in general, like women are more mature
01:20:45.420
So I do believe that women should date up and, you know, and Stella said she was 16 dating
01:20:49.900
a 20 year old, you know, most people are like, Oh my God, call the cops.
01:20:53.200
But like, I feel like at a point, you know, you become an adult, you, you know, you are
01:21:01.040
And if you can look out for yourself and you can take care of yourself and this guy is not
01:21:06.820
Like there's such thing as love and there's such thing as feelings and not everything's
01:21:12.460
Like there's such thing as relationships and, you know, this lady said, just because of
01:21:16.680
status, you know, I'm not marrying anyone just because of status.
01:21:20.180
But if I meet a guy and he just so happens to be five to 10 years older than me, I'm looking
01:21:29.200
Hopefully he's got some more, you know, work behind him.
01:21:38.940
They can afford cologne and they shower regularly.
01:21:44.580
People are like, what's your favorite thing about being married?
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Like, I don't know if that's a bad answer, but that's my answer.
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On this topic, what is the oldest guy that you would date?
01:21:59.900
At 18, I'd date 24, but in two, three years, I'd date five to 10 years older.
01:22:07.460
We know you're in a relationship, but let's assume.
01:22:17.380
Well, I'm 34, so like I think 40 would be my max.
01:22:24.360
Why all the chicks who don't know how to talk are always in calm major.
01:22:35.500
If you're not okay to die alone, start planning now.
01:22:44.400
Is this the one that came through as the Canadian?
01:22:52.820
No, no, no, but when they say things, like was that at RIN?
01:22:57.240
Well, the first part at least about the communication major.
01:23:00.080
Yeah, yeah, and then I lost it a little bit there, so if you guys could be more clear with
01:23:11.260
I have this theory that if you cut off Kiki's hair, she'd look like a British, whoops,
01:23:22.940
I have a theory if you cut off Regina's hair, she'd look like a British man.
01:23:42.720
To panel, would you rather be with a wealthy man who loves you but cheats or cruise the poverty
01:23:48.660
Also, in your early 20s, you have the highest dating market value right now.
01:24:14.880
Does anyone know what he was trying to say there?
01:24:18.940
I mean, I work on YouTube, though, so it's like, yeah.
01:24:22.600
Okay, do you guys want to, so would you rather be with a wealthy man who loves you but
01:24:27.280
cheats or cruise the poverty line with a loyal but poor man?
01:24:33.740
Well, I'm taking the loyal but poor because, you know, I can work and hopefully we'll work
01:24:38.340
So maybe we're poor in the minute, but as long as we're both hardworking individuals with
01:24:42.740
high aspirations, I'm taking a healthy marriage.
01:24:46.800
Well, for how long would you like, you know what I mean?
01:24:49.000
Like, if he, if he's not making progress by X amount of years, you would bounce?
01:24:59.480
You know, if he's not, you know, every day is not a, I'm going to do better, I'm going
01:25:03.680
to do better, then he's probably a loser and I'm not down for a loser.
01:25:08.220
Wait, really quick, just to bring up, does anyone else want to answer that?
01:25:14.400
Yeah, I just think, yeah, sure, people would love it if you were like, if you were like
01:25:19.080
rich and you can just be like, oh, we're just like married on paper, but like have other
01:25:22.400
people on the side, but like, I think it would be so much more fulfilling to have like a loving
01:25:27.380
marriage that's like in poverty, but as long as like they're trying, just like how, what
01:25:32.980
we're saying, it's like, I feel like it's like a lot more fulfilling and like, yeah.
01:25:39.460
I think, I mean, I'm reading a comment and it said the hypothetical would be that they're
01:25:45.180
always poor and I think that it's, I agree with Lindsay, I think if the man is willing
01:25:51.720
to work and to like make something of himself, I don't want someone who's sitting around all
01:25:57.520
day and he's poor and he's can't even afford food and, or he wants me to buy him food every
01:26:01.840
day, you know, I, I mean, I'm going to work to support myself, but I don't need to be
01:26:06.700
supporting you as well, but I would like a loyal relationship.
01:26:11.040
I don't want a man who's cheating on me every day, even though he's rich, you know.
01:26:19.060
My boyfriend wasn't a firefighter when I met him.
01:26:26.720
I think that's like a very disrespectful, like just don't commit if you're going to
01:26:33.680
I can be with someone who's a little bit poor for a little bit.
01:26:39.040
I feel like loyalty is everything to some people.
01:26:42.920
So if you can't have that, then what's the point?
01:26:48.520
And I don't know if you had something you wanted to add to that.
01:26:54.600
Um, it was, uh, loyal, but poor and rich, but he's going to cheat on you.
01:26:59.300
Basically rich, but he's going to cheat on you loyal, but poor, but like, does he stay
01:27:10.680
Like, you know, I, I'm not for cheating, but if you're going to make me like play the hypothetical
01:27:16.360
Like I've been, I have been with a man who was making me poor and I would never in my life
01:27:26.900
I am married to a faithful man and also pregnant.
01:27:31.740
Uh, so this, what, this is kind of bringing it back to the, uh, Oh, beaten cheeks donated
01:27:40.140
These new age girls need to stop listening to drew a follow under followers because they
01:27:44.880
refuse to take accountability in what they put in their mouth.
01:27:56.480
If you guys don't know, beaten cheeks, he's the very successful proprietor of numerous.
01:28:01.260
We're talking dozens of Arby's on the East coast.
01:28:13.880
There's some disagreement here on the quality of Arby's.
01:28:17.620
Um, that reminds me, we do need to react to drew a follow because she did a video on
01:28:41.320
Um, so the question I was going to ask is by the way, cheeks, thank you for the hundred.
01:28:44.620
Um, so bringing it back to the age gap thing in terms of the oldest guy that you would
01:28:50.380
date, is there actually, no, no, no, I was going in a different direction.
01:28:56.020
So you guys said you'd prefer a guy who's loyal, but who's poor.
01:29:04.600
So like, think of your, think of like your favorite musician or like a famous actor.
01:29:36.820
Would, would your husband give you a pass for Henry Cavill?
01:29:41.240
No, my husband wouldn't give me a pass, but like in a, in a, in a, but you hear about
01:29:44.420
that shit, you know, like you don't hear people giving each other, you know, um, I've actually
01:29:50.400
Um, like on multiple occasions I've been in rooms with millionaire men, but my relationship
01:29:54.320
is so good and my husband takes like such good care of me.
01:29:58.000
I mean, in fact, I would say honestly, because I value masculinity so much, like most millionaires
01:30:02.780
kind of disgust me just because they don't bring like, um, like that grit, you know,
01:30:13.140
He does, he does like, um, he does a white collar job, but he does it for the military.
01:30:53.220
He breaks up with all of his girlfriends before they turn how old?
01:31:34.080
If I were to say, like, I also have another celebrity crush.
01:31:38.940
I like Luke Hemmings from Five Sauce, Five Seconds of Summer.
01:31:47.720
And then, like, people would be like, oh, she's Asian.
01:32:00.220
So would you be willing to be with those men knowing that they would not be faithful to you?
01:32:10.000
Just emotionally, I would just cry every night.
01:32:12.700
Be like, I got my celebrity crush, but he doesn't even want me.
01:32:29.000
So that kind of plays with the, you know, you said, like, what, 25 is your limit?
01:32:34.720
But, you know, in two years, I would certainly.
01:32:38.720
I think it grows, the age difference I would go for grows exponentially the older you get.
01:32:49.720
And specifically because of their high status even more.
01:32:53.900
Because then your business is, like, all out on the internet.
01:32:56.440
Now everyone's going to know that your boyfriend's cheating on you.
01:32:58.240
It's not just, oh, my boyfriend's cheating on me and nobody knows.
01:33:01.260
Now everyone's going to know because he's famous.
01:33:14.700
Yeah, well, like, I agree with what you guys said.
01:33:17.120
Like, if it's, like, there's, like, a lot of networking.
01:33:21.620
But, like, if it was just simply marriage, like, the only way I'd make it work is if I
01:33:25.340
actually had, like, an actual faithful, like, you know what I mean?
01:33:28.980
Like, if it was just, like, if it was, like, a, like, we were just together, like, to other
01:33:35.060
But, like, if I had, like, a secret, like, my own, we only had our own relationships on
01:33:40.720
But then if, like, I would marry just to, like, for, like, the networking and stuff.
01:33:53.740
Like, in an alternate universe where I was single, if Henry Cavill would be in a relationship with
01:33:59.820
But, like, infidelity, I don't know about that one.
01:34:02.120
Like, he'd have to be in love with me, you know?
01:34:03.980
But in this, like, alternate universe that exists somewhere in the ether, he'd have to
01:34:11.320
By the way, guys, I think there's 2,000 of you, about over 2,000 of you watching right
01:34:21.680
Are you aware that Henry Cavill is an avid video game player?
01:34:38.960
I'm going to, hold on, let me see what I got here.
01:34:41.040
Okay, I'm going to paint a little picture for you here, so.
01:34:51.880
But let's talk about a regular guy fulfilling the same video game role.
01:34:56.380
So, Eric, can you lower the volume a little bit while I just do this segment?
01:35:02.100
So, this guy's in the top North American hardcore raiding guild in World of Warcraft Classic.
01:35:07.640
He's got four level 60s, a rogue main, you know, warrior primary alt, warlock, mage, all level 60s.
01:35:15.400
He parses in the 99th percentile on World of Warcraft locks.
01:35:40.760
Yeah, don't they make a lot of money on like Twitch and stuff?
01:35:49.320
I find that super unattractive and I can't even back it up.
01:35:55.420
What if it's like he's in a, like I said, he's in the top guild in North America.
01:36:02.500
The only way I'd be like, you know, I understand this is working.
01:36:05.420
Like, like if this is your job, I can respect it.
01:36:10.220
If you're doing this for shits and giggles, count me out.
01:36:13.660
What about like if they full clear Molten Core and BWL in like 30 minutes?
01:36:35.160
So during like the first phases, here's the thing.
01:36:41.700
He's going to be, he's grinding for High Warlord because he plays Horde, right?
01:36:47.920
So that's like a 12 to 14 hour day commitment every single day.
01:37:01.920
Like if they stagger the release of like the BGs, Battlegrounds, then he's like out
01:37:11.940
Then he's like really like that's 16 hour commitment, like PVP real world.
01:37:21.600
I'm just trying to say like, I think you're trying to hype it up because you're about to
01:37:29.840
I wouldn't date a guy who recreationally plays any game three hours a day.
01:37:34.860
I'm certainly not dating a guy who does this, you know, so passionately, but you know, isn't
01:37:46.240
Um, like there are like top tier dudes, like stone cold killers.
01:37:49.600
I mean, you guys are like, Oh, like kind of, but it's also kind of sexy.
01:37:52.580
But like, there's some of these guys, they do play video games though.
01:38:02.180
Women value, experience, provision, attractiveness, and protection, competence.
01:38:08.720
Men value, beauty, youth, purity, and femininity.
01:38:13.160
Are there any plans for you to go on Pearly's show or vice versa?
01:38:16.820
Brian, BTW, 10 out of 10 humble is the same person as me.
01:38:21.640
Hey, thank you, man, for doing that through Streamlabs.
01:38:24.840
Yeah, I'll be, I've been talking to Pearl and, uh, I, we have a, uh, cordial acquaintance,
01:38:32.820
And, uh, I, I think she's moving her studio to, uh, Chicago, I believe, or in the States.
01:38:38.840
And so, yeah, I'd certainly love to have her on our show.
01:38:46.260
Did you guys have a response to his initial thing?
01:38:50.180
Here, let me see if I can pull it up really quick.
01:38:53.180
So women value experience, provision, attractiveness, and protection, competence.
01:38:57.180
Men value beauty, youth, purity, and femininity.
01:39:23.260
It kind of has to do with the age gap thing a little bit.
01:39:26.120
I don't like when, it's, there's nothing wrong with dating older or having an age gap in your
01:39:31.220
relationship, but I think it's really gross when men want younger women because they're
01:39:37.900
pure, because, you know, they're less, like, ran through, I guess.
01:39:45.440
Before I respond, I'll allow the other girls to come in on this if they want.
01:39:54.580
But so, you object to the purity thing because you take quarrel with the fact that men want
01:40:11.540
You said the whole thing about being ran through and having high body count.
01:40:14.700
Because a guy can call a girl ran through if they have, if they have slept with two guys.
01:40:20.940
They're like, oh, if you're not a virgin, then you're, you're ran through.
01:40:24.020
Very few men, like, very few men have that standard.
01:40:38.560
Like, in the same way that perhaps it's ideal for you to date a billionaire who's six feet
01:40:52.220
I think, I think that has, you said you're 18, right?
01:40:55.900
I think that has something to do with your age.
01:40:57.660
Like, I find that the younger men are, I mean, just like in, in the DMs and the conversations
01:41:04.320
And then also, like, I have a, I have a little brother.
01:41:08.300
So I think that's like an expectation for your age group is like, he's like, yeah, I think
01:41:14.540
If you're 18 and he's 18, of course he's going to say that two is too much.
01:41:17.080
But then if he's like, you know, like 35, talking about a woman, like a body count, like
01:41:21.380
you wouldn't hear that from most 35 year old men, unless it's men that were inexperienced
01:41:27.080
So I think that's like a normal standard for your age group and for men, for sure.
01:41:32.040
So on the purity thing, she kind of has an issue with that.
01:41:39.220
I, um, the thing is with me, I'm going to get you.
01:41:47.680
Like, I mean, I don't want a guy who's ran through either.
01:41:51.380
Um, I, I think that when we say purity, I can understand, you know, and as I stated
01:42:01.100
before, I don't think that sex is just a physical act.
01:42:05.120
I believe it's a meeting of the body and it should be a meeting of the mind and it should
01:42:10.480
And I think you should do it with someone you love and respect.
01:42:12.520
And I think that, you know, if you're sleeping with X, Y, and Z and you happen to love and
01:42:18.460
respect them, your levels of love and respect are probably kind of skewed.
01:42:22.520
And I wouldn't want, I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who doesn't have a good
01:42:32.360
And, you know, I don't think that guys who are like, oh, I won't be with her cause she's
01:42:38.980
Like, I think that from purely a sexual standpoint, it's like, okay, then you're probably
01:42:42.500
just insecure, but overall, like I can understand why a guy's like, I'd prefer a girl who's
01:42:48.160
not just, who, who values this more than a girl who doesn't value the act of sex.
01:42:53.780
Why is a guy insecure for wanting a woman who's not promiscuous or who has a low body
01:43:02.460
Let me think about this cause I'll be able to articulate it properly.
01:43:06.720
Did you want to come in and we'll come back to you?
01:43:08.620
Um, I have this argument a lot with my coworkers.
01:43:15.120
Um, I work with all guys and, um, and my boyfriend.
01:43:24.220
I definitely understand, you know, the purity thing cause women have their own standards
01:43:30.800
Um, but I see, I kind of, I understand the male's point of view.
01:43:43.140
Uh, it's something that I definitely didn't agree with for a really long time.
01:43:49.960
But, um, also taking women can fuck who they want, but men can also not want to be in a
01:43:57.580
relationship with women who have slept with a lot of men taking a lot of psychology classes
01:44:05.780
I've learned that women take sex a lot more seriously and it affects them physically and
01:44:12.800
Um, so also seeing it from that kind of standpoint, I kind of get, you know, it's more intimate
01:44:18.940
to girls and having a fewer body count would, I think, less damage the girl's mental stability,
01:44:29.960
Um, I think having a low body count is good, but what exactly is pure, you know, to each their
01:44:39.760
pure may not be the same, but if we can agree on it, then we can compromise.
01:44:44.620
But I do agree that there are some men who, and I've had nothing but guy friends and I've
01:44:49.720
heard the way that they talk about women and it's just horrible.
01:44:54.300
So the things that they say about these girls, what do they say?
01:44:59.420
Like when I was in high school, you know, I've had my guy friends were like, oh, I just dumped
01:45:02.920
so-and-so, but like, if you want to hit it, go ahead.
01:45:10.680
They're like, just pass off the girl onto the next, like, like it's nothing, you know?
01:45:17.380
I've had my own guy friends like tell the other group of guys like, oh, I broke up with so-and-so,
01:45:24.160
So if, you know, if you hit her up, like it's cool, it's fair game.
01:45:28.480
Because I've also, you know, been seeing a guy, gone on a date with a guy and then my,
01:45:32.040
you know, for whatever reason, I'm not interested.
01:45:35.820
You know, I'll say to my girlfriend, I don't care.
01:45:38.500
Like you can court them if you like, not necessarily just sex, but like, why is that statement so bad?
01:45:44.500
If you've slept with them, I feel like that's different because the sexual thing, the connectivity
01:45:49.320
So if I'm just talking to you and it doesn't work out and so-and-so wants to hit you up,
01:45:54.420
But when it comes to sex, that's a whole different thing.
01:45:58.240
So you wanted a moment to collect your thoughts.
01:46:01.480
Well, I think that what I was just trying to say is if a guy is like, oh, she can't have
01:46:06.040
slept with more than two or three guys, possibly he could be insecure about his own performance
01:46:10.880
and doesn't want her to be able to compare it to anything.
01:46:14.380
And I think I said, you know, a guy could be insecure as more of like a minor point, but
01:46:20.180
But I mean, that was the first thing that you went to was, was insecurity.
01:46:24.940
I'm not denying that that couldn't potentially be the case for a guy preferring a low body
01:46:37.680
The fact of the matter is society values what's hard slash difficult.
01:46:41.560
Women can get easily get laid while men have to work hard to get it.
01:46:45.600
Men visualize every man and woman's been with two.
01:46:48.020
Okay, we're going to actually do something with this one.
01:46:53.480
So he says women can get easily or women can get easily get.
01:47:19.100
And it shows that it's out there, that it is like harder on self-reported things.
01:47:22.820
It is harder for men to get a sexual access to women.
01:47:26.440
Like we're, we're the pickier and we're the choosier sex.
01:47:28.520
Have you ever heard the joke from men that nobody's ugly after 2 AM?
01:47:34.400
But, um, like when we were talking about these sex differences, we just have to be mindful
01:47:40.460
We have testosterone too, but we have like one 17th to one 75th of the amount of testosterone
01:47:46.120
So like men value purity, but they also really want to have sex.
01:47:50.460
Now, is it like helpful or beneficial for a man to be absurdly promiscuous and give himself
01:47:57.220
But to say that, you know, men are insecure if a woman has a high body count, I think that's
01:48:01.760
fair because the, the men that are looking for relationships that are looking to commit
01:48:05.200
to women, of course, they're not going to want to commit to a woman that has a promiscuous
01:48:08.280
past because behavior, um, your, your habits are a good indicator for how you'll behave
01:48:16.620
But like, I just think that that's a really sexist thing that we do, you know, he doesn't
01:48:21.940
I think, I don't know what the female equivalent of that would be, um, what men saying anything
01:48:28.780
Like it comes down to the quality of men that you're hanging out with.
01:48:31.540
Like if you're talking, if you're hanging around men, like if you hear that conversation
01:48:34.700
where men are saying out loud, like, Oh yeah, I was with her.
01:48:40.940
We cannot be socializing with, I mean, it's just like, it's degenerate people.
01:48:45.560
If it, even if it was a woman, like if one of my girlfriends was like, yeah, I had him,
01:48:57.760
Well, I think that I, I probably should have used a different word.
01:49:01.160
I realized that the word insecure does have a negative connotation, but I believe insecurity
01:49:05.420
is something every single human deals with, you know, we're all self-conscious.
01:49:09.980
I'm just the first to admit it, Kanye, whatever.
01:49:15.520
Like, I just, I, I, I think that it's just a fact.
01:49:17.980
Like, you know, it was not supposed to be like, Oh my, you know, this guy I'm dating
01:49:24.940
Like, I didn't mean it so much as a negative thing, but I think that that, you know, you
01:49:31.820
Somebody was like, Rin's, I was like doing this.
01:49:34.040
And then people were like, Rin's like doing a BTS dance.
01:49:36.020
So I was like, why not actually do a BTS dance?
01:49:40.340
Um, but I was, I was going to say like, um, the, the thing about it is like, you're not
01:49:45.700
Like if you take time and you can watch their content too.
01:49:48.600
It is like a standard thing that when men have standards in relationships, we shame them,
01:49:54.360
When like, if you have a brother or a father and like, let's say your father was dating,
01:49:59.860
Like that men are allowed to have standards, but we kind of like shame them for having them.
01:50:08.760
And I know you, you clarified later with two or three, but like there's women that will
01:50:12.140
say, there's women that'll say like, let's say, uh, you know, her body count was like
01:50:17.420
So if we present this, uh, situation, the scenario and a man comes out and says, well,
01:50:26.180
Like she could have a body count of like hundreds, right?
01:50:30.020
I don't think it's about insecurity at that point.
01:50:32.280
I think it's just like, you've, you know, done this with so many different people.
01:50:40.560
So I think the insecurity part, oh, well, I won't even go over that.
01:50:50.300
I mean, I, it's, it definitely seems to me that as soon as a guy says, here's what I
01:50:57.660
It's almost always going to be met with that's either a misogynist or you're insecure, small
01:51:05.760
It's always going to be met with some sort of contempt, shaming.
01:51:13.000
Women, women are allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries and men are not.
01:51:20.440
Well, I actually think it's the total, I won't say total opposite, but I think that women
01:51:25.200
are more, uh, outwardly allowed to have those boundaries and standards when it comes to
01:51:32.200
And that's why we said, you know, women have, are the pickers and choosers, but men have
01:51:40.860
Well, I, women control access to sex, but like most men are invisible to most women.
01:51:47.180
So actually most men don't have choice either when it comes to a relationship.
01:51:57.020
Then they are the ones who decides who gets a relationship.
01:52:00.240
It does happen to the, excuse me, it happens to be the case that most women are chasing
01:52:07.960
Because we're, we're taking the ones that we choose that we would physically be intimate
01:52:12.300
And then we're looking at that, you know, small group of people and deciding who we would
01:52:18.240
And then those guys have also been other females choice to be intimate with.
01:52:22.960
So then, you know, you're nothing special when it comes to their dating pool.
01:52:26.200
So you, if, if you've said yes to them, a lot of other women are prepared to say yes to
01:52:38.400
Like, well, I think one, have a reasonable self, self assessment of where you stand in
01:52:44.140
So I think you guys, you know, you, none of you said you were tens, but we do have girls
01:52:55.820
You're like, I tell them, no, I tell, yeah, I tell them you're not a 10 and they'll fight
01:53:01.720
I'm just like, and I don't give them a rating, but I'll say you're not a 10.
01:53:07.860
Eric, do you want to pull up the, uh, Instagram?
01:53:13.180
Uh, we just have, this is Eric's, uh, saved Instagram.
01:53:18.120
So these are like, I wouldn't say they're tens, but they're like, I would consider very,
01:53:42.240
The girls that are posting photos like that, is that wife material?
01:53:45.360
Like, does that not, because as a girl, and this is funny to like, think about, you know,
01:53:50.960
if my dude were on the internet posting just, you know, totally naked pictures all the time,
01:53:56.000
I would be like, yeah, like objectively he's attractive, but it, you know, in my like date,
01:54:02.840
dating rate, like you go to a zero, I wouldn't want to be with someone like that.
01:54:06.420
Whereas for men, like you see that and you're still like, oh, she's a 10.
01:54:09.700
Like the second you see her posting that, you know, that's not a 10 for me anymore.
01:54:15.420
But these women are also making a lot of money and making a bag.
01:54:19.320
Like, I don't, and they probably don't look like that.
01:54:26.760
She's pretty, she's pretty bad, but she doesn't look like that in real life.
01:54:30.580
Well, yeah, obviously there's some Photoshop and makeup.
01:54:33.900
And then the good point that Lindsay made when girls, you know, I personally, my boyfriend,
01:54:38.300
if he likes a girl in a bikini pic, I'm like, don't fucking like that picture.
01:54:47.860
Would you wife up Wolfie Cindy with her posting pictures like that on her Instagram?
01:54:59.880
She checks everything, but she still posts, but she has an OF.
01:55:03.960
She like, I don't think she has like 20 plus body count.
01:55:10.000
She has 20 plus body count and she's posting that on.
01:55:20.740
I'm just, just in the instance that she did, would you wipe her up?
01:55:27.360
Because of the Instagram photos or because of her hypothetical body count?
01:55:34.320
So the photos is like, I mean, to me, that's not, she doesn't do OF.
01:55:51.260
I think she's been to like Miami Swim Week, but.
01:56:05.100
I'll tell her to her face that she's not a model.
01:56:11.240
Apparently she doesn't do, she doesn't do like interviews.
01:56:30.040
I'm already disqualifying myself just based on looks.
01:56:44.120
But we're in a hypothetical that we get to make up.
01:56:49.460
I'm married and I did a Henry Cavill hypothetical for the show.
01:57:10.280
She does lingerie shoots where you can see your nipple and she posts it on Instagram.
01:57:45.000
Would it be my preference that a girl didn't even have social media?
01:57:49.280
However, like realistically, like to me, there's, there's much higher things on the list of things
01:58:04.540
So I'd probably say that I, the, the opportunity in terms of partnering with Wolfie Cindy would
01:58:18.560
So, so maybe you would date her and use her to network, but possibly not marry or would
01:58:32.820
Like, I don't, like, I don't think there's like, there's like an L, you know, like if you
01:58:36.360
think that a really beautiful, attractive woman who does, who checks all the boxes but
01:58:40.640
posts these pictures on the internet, like you're in California.
01:58:44.820
That's, I also have to be realistic with like the women that I'm surrounded by.
01:58:48.580
Like there's not a lot of women who don't have Instagram, aren't posting these kinds
01:58:54.100
So like I could be on, I could be in my ivory tower on my high horse say I would never date
01:59:00.920
Instagram, well, I'm, I'm going to be celibate for a minute.
01:59:06.560
I'm going to, I'm not going to get laid for a minute.
01:59:08.560
So like, would it, but however, do I, would it be, would it be like brownie points where
01:59:13.780
I think it's great if a girl didn't have Instagram or wasn't posting these sort of
01:59:18.100
revealing photos a hundred percent, but I live in Santa Barbara, California, incredibly
01:59:22.460
liberal, like very, you know, it's just not a deal breaker for you.
01:59:28.280
Like for a lot of liberal men, they're cool with it.
01:59:35.500
So I think on the body count thing, that's, bruv, we, we've had some 18 year old girls
01:59:42.820
So like, yeah, on that note, let's talk about body count.
01:59:50.780
Do you just save those and make like a collection in your Instagram of hot girls?
01:59:54.360
It's just like, uh, it's, it's really, that's interesting.
02:00:03.380
I listen, these girls, they come in, they say they're tens.
02:00:09.260
I got, I don't even, half those girls are like eights and most of them are tens.
02:00:13.480
There's like successful men that are married to like, um, you know, like permit, well, not
02:00:18.200
promiscuous, but like a hypersexual women that are public online.
02:00:23.260
I can't like, I'm Midwest and I don't look at that stuff, but is there a couple that comes
02:00:28.480
Like there's, there's, yeah, there's tons of people that do that.
02:00:33.920
Um, high status men who are married to men who present hyper sexually on social media.
02:00:44.460
So, so I mean, maybe those just aren't high value men.
02:00:47.620
They're high status men who just happen to know how to play a sport really well.
02:00:52.600
Like there is an element of a trophy wife, right?
02:00:54.840
Like as long as she doesn't embarrass you in public or like have like public scandals
02:00:59.660
Like, I think a lot of guys are willing to have this very, like a perpetual 10 that you
02:01:06.680
Cause the thing is, it's like that stuff takes upkeep, right?
02:01:08.680
You know, like they can afford things to keep them looking like hotter for much longer
02:01:13.120
than like, you know, me, I mean, that's not going to happen for me.
02:01:15.100
So I think like there's an element of a, of a trophy wife, you know, that's okay.
02:01:23.040
A lot of y'all in the chat, Sam saying I'm a simp.
02:01:26.200
I saw that because I would, bruv, any, have you guys, okay.
02:01:33.760
Wolfie Cindy is an exceptionally attractive woman.
02:01:38.260
She looks like the majority of Instagram models in real life.
02:01:42.560
You're not going to find, you're going to find.
02:01:50.600
Bro, she has like thousand year dynasty genetics.
02:01:58.280
She is a beautiful, curvaceous, dark haired, I believe dark eyed, gorgeous woman.
02:02:04.460
There's some guys who find her unattractive completely.
02:02:07.860
They're into, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes or African American women.
02:02:11.680
Like, you know, she's, she's really not, maybe in your opinion.
02:02:15.940
And, you know, I'd like for you to meet her in person.
02:02:22.840
I think that she's sexy, but I wouldn't call her beautiful.
02:02:25.080
Like when I think about models, I think about traditional models that like Marxism cannot
02:02:29.220
You know, like some women are just born that beautiful.
02:02:34.980
The whole, the whole, no, I'm not talking about her, right?
02:02:37.700
And I, I realized, you know, the libs coming out, but it's like, no, like there is an element
02:02:41.160
of Marxism in our culture where it's like, everyone can be a model and everyone can be
02:02:45.580
beautiful because Instagram exists and we can do that.
02:02:49.680
And like, I'm not going to act like she's not sexy.
02:02:54.060
In my perspective, like I don't find her to be beautiful.
02:03:13.900
Like, like the difference between sexy and beautiful.
02:03:18.760
I sort of know what you mean, but I like beautiful women.
02:03:23.360
Yes, but I think that you can be, I think that you can be beautiful without being sexy
02:03:32.500
Everyone's saying that she's like not, she's mid too.
02:03:41.760
For me, it's like, it's the, it's the plastic surgery Instagram thing.
02:03:51.100
Like I, you know, I, I don't think she has plastic surgery.
02:03:57.400
Her boobs are also, I think she's had her boobs done.
02:04:05.300
If you're looking, if you're looking, if you are looking, listen, if you're looking at
02:04:10.540
a voluptuous woman with a great rack and a nice butt and she has a flat stomach, that's
02:04:26.100
And because my husband and I've had this conversation, he's like a medical nerd too.
02:04:28.800
Um, so when you see like these Instagram models, no fake tits, by the way, I'm looking, if
02:04:34.120
you're a woman, like if you're a woman that's sub 20% body fat, majority of women that are
02:04:38.420
sub 25, 20, 20% body fat, like they're not really going to have breasts.
02:04:42.680
Like that's a small percentage of the population that absolutely.
02:04:48.100
The last I checked, it's like the, the percentage of women that have big racks naturally.
02:04:54.220
And our, our, you know, if we're going to say like, if we're talking about thin women,
02:05:03.980
And if you do, they're probably fake or you're just born, you know, you're God's favorite,
02:05:09.280
I wish I was, um, I'm just, I'm on, I'm on the beauty train.
02:05:15.540
Like if you can, if you can pay for it, like that's not beauty.
02:05:17.940
It is sexy, but I don't think that that's beauty.
02:05:20.520
And I think that like, that's a perfectly okay thing to say.
02:05:22.900
I wasn't born in 10 and I, you know, hopefully like baby girl, you know, maybe, maybe you'll
02:05:27.540
come through, but I don't know for me, it just wasn't in the cards.
02:05:30.940
But I think that's okay to say, but this was fun.
02:05:57.520
The way her, her stomach, her butt, like there's just been help there.
02:06:03.280
She's super attractive, but there's been help there.
02:06:13.860
Just like some, some women, like, look, some women are using Photoshop.
02:06:18.720
They're squeezing their fucking, what is it, their ribs in or whatever.
02:06:25.880
But you can't deny that some women, now, obviously there's like the really extreme Photoshop
02:06:33.180
But like, there are some women that do have a really thin waist.
02:06:37.240
Like, there are some women that have fucking, there are gods.
02:06:45.440
And I think that it also promotes an unhealthy standard of, you know, what women should look
02:06:52.400
And, you know, the girls are looking at her, can't have a big boob, can't have big butts.
02:06:59.480
Like, to, you know, to want to be a certain size, to want to be in your healthy body is
02:07:03.840
But, you know, if the only thing you think you can achieve is a six pack, that's not
02:07:08.180
I think there's actually much harsher physical beauty or physical things on men.
02:07:17.080
I think dad bods are in, and I don't think that's true.
02:07:25.200
Like, on TikTok right now, everyone's talking about dad bods.
02:07:30.400
Like, have you noticed that they're making the female leads in rom-coms more mid?
02:07:41.860
I mean, it's okay if you don't get it as a woman.
02:07:43.740
Like, not all of us are going to get the dude with a six pack, but it's like, those dudes
02:07:48.040
I have arguments about this all the time online.
02:07:50.020
So, it's like, you know, dad bod, like, through the years, having a child, we work out less,
02:07:58.600
But, objectively, like, would I choose a dude with a dad bod if I was single over a dude
02:08:07.140
But, let's also agree that, you know, it's more common for a woman to date a man with
02:08:11.460
an incredible personality and a great life and this and that and the other thing with
02:08:14.860
less of the looks, you know, whereas for a guy, looks are a huge proponent.
02:08:21.780
Like, okay, have you seen the amount of single men?
02:08:26.800
This is, like, pure research data that just came out.
02:08:28.480
And I'll show you guys all this after the show.
02:08:30.300
Like, they're single and they're not even looking.
02:08:32.260
There's an element of nihilism because a lot of men are invisible to women.
02:08:37.220
And this was actually, like, per the state of California.
02:08:39.240
But, I mean, you could just, like, see in public, if you listen to your ovaries, how
02:08:42.020
many men you'd say yes to, how many men you would say no to.
02:08:43.960
So, it's, like, one in three and one in five men has sexual access, right?
02:08:51.740
So, it's a, because it's a reference range, right?
02:08:53.600
So, I've met, I've seen studies where it's as stringent as one in five men are having
02:08:58.440
And as, like, liberal as one in three men are having sex, right?
02:09:01.800
But then that, with that one in three stat, it's actually, like, one in three men either
02:09:05.460
hasn't had sex in the last year or is a virgin by age 30, right?
02:09:09.060
Do you see, like, where this stuff is a little bit, like, we like to say, yeah, you know,
02:09:13.800
I would go for a guy that was a little bit not as attractive, who just had all the great
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Because at the end of the day, like, the men that you pick, y'all are cute.
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The other ones, I've always dated men who are, like, boys, who are much less attractive
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to me, and in my personal opinion, and I feel like maybe some of you guys can agree with
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this, I like dating people that I am more attractive than.
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Yeah, well, hold on, hold on, but you like leverage, that's fine, but it's like, hold
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You talked about, you talked about those guys, right?
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You said your boyfriend right now, you like his face.
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You said the last guys, you were like, eh, but that's what I'm saying, like, where are
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The personality broke the deal, it was not the face.
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No, no, no, like, I'm saying, like, okay, that's, well, that might be fair.
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I'm just saying, I think it's possible that we're choosing men that we find attractive,
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and we like to say, like, we'll go for, like, the broke, sweet dude.
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And also, I don't want a broke, sweet dude, I want a hard-working man.
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Also, women overrate themselves in terms of their own physical attractiveness.
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Yeah, like, we have girls come on the show that say they're tens.
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But, like, talk to most women, because, um, it's like, this weird thing happens when you
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hit a certain age, um, where women can't psychologically comprehend or process, like, oh, I'm not as
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Like, I peaked at 24, I'm completely okay with it.
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There's a lot of single, older women freaking out on TikTok over that stuff.
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So, like, in order to cope with that, that, like, I age, maybe I don't have the guy that
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I want, they'll start to go through these mental gymnastics and be like, no, no, no, like,
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I'm, like, I'm a 10 because I, like, inside, like, that makes me 10 outside.
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No, like, beauty is a harsh judge, and some of us just don't have it.
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I mean, we'd have to ask Rolo Tomasi, so I'll, I'll, I'll try to find out for you.
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Have you guys seen, um, there's this new website, and I, some guy made it, and, um,
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So, my boyfriend is, like, I don't know, I want to say, like, I can find, he's, like,
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11% of the population or something, and I, like, I don't know.
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It's basically a delusion calculator where women can put in their ideal men and see what
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percent of the world is actually, and they have one for women, too.
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It's in the, well, it's, it's within the United States, and the metrics are, uh, age, height,
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income, race, uh, I'm trying to, like, is he obese?
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Is he, like, how many of us, like, real talk, like, how many of us are trying to pursue obese
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How many of us are trying to pursue overweight men?
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Okay, 73.6% of the American population is overweight to include obesity.
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So, like, we're like, yeah, well, like, we would forgive his looks.
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You know, I, you know, there's weight, and then there's looks, because looks, you're born
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Weight, to me, personally, throughout my life, I have had some health issues, and at a young
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age, I learned to very seriously value my body and how I treat it.
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Well, it's very important to me to treat my body well.
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It's a vessel that God gave me, and it's important to treat it well.
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I think that the majority of overweight people do not treat their body well.
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And if you're not eating, you're not, or you're not eating well, and you're not exercising,
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If you are a big-boned person who takes care of yourself and, you know, eats well, works
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out, then, yeah, I, I, and you have a great personality.
02:13:13.660
I could see myself being with someone like that.
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But someone who does not take care of themselves, no.
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Yeah, and that's where the guys are coming from, because, like, most dudes would, most
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dudes would date and also marry, too, because it's, like, they associate marriage with sex.
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They're like, oh, like, if I marry her, she's going to sleep with me, right?
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Like, most of those guys, they would date or marry, in general, the male population, they
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would date or marry an overweight or obese woman, right?
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Whereas, like, for us, we're like, no, no, no, no, no, like, that's not going to fly.
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So that's a lot of the times what people are talking about.
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But, I mean, eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap, that's a common phrase that's used.
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Like, you can't demand, you know, a high-value man and then be a low-value woman yourself.
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Okay, so I want to bring it back here to body count really quick, because you mentioned
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I want to bring you in so you're not compelled to dance mid-show.
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No, I mean, I already said, like, my thoughts, like, let it cook.
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Um, like, just, like, I don't want somebody who has, like, a high body count either.
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But you said you wanted to wait to get married, though.
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Like, I've talked to, like, a lot of women, right?
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I'm a human being who forgets things sometimes, right?
02:14:52.080
I could have forgotten or misinterpreted what you might have said earlier.
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So, like, did you say earlier that, like, you wanted to wait to get married or something?
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Like, I want to, like, get married, like, later in my life?
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So, like, you want a guy with a little body count, but you want to get married later in life.
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Like, that was the point I was trying to get at.
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Because, I mean, if he's like a 27-year-old virgin, you might be like, ah.
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Well, I mean, like, I just don't want, like, just the thing is, like, if somebody has a high body count, just in my mind, like, I'm not saying this is true, but in my mind, I would see them as, like, oh, so they find, like, many girls, like, many girls attractive enough to sleep with.
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And that would just make me insecure, like, if I were to marry him.
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So, you're saying he'd sleep with an ugly chick?
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Like, my question was just, like, you said marriage wasn't on your mind, but do you want to be married one day?
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Yeah, and then you said, like, you don't want a guy with a high body count, but if you, like, wait to get married, like, most likely, the longer you wait to do that for both men and women, the likelihood that these people have had, like, higher body counts, it kind of goes up.
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I'm not, like, trying to checkmate you or anything like that.
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Because of what I said earlier, so kind of contradicts it a little bit.
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Well, I mean, the yes itself didn't sound particularly convincing, and.
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Do you take issue or do you take quarrel, and I'm asking this to all of you, if a man has a preference for a woman with a low body count, do you take issue with that?
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Like, everybody has, like, their own preferences.
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Obviously, it's, like, the way they say it, if they're, like, oh, like, she's a slut, like, it's, like, okay, like, calm down.
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But if he has his own preference, like, that's fine.
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Like, I was saying earlier, it's, yes, it's preference, but also, I think when it gets to the point where they're, it's, like, a fetish, almost.
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I don't know if that's the right word for them to be pure or be this, like, not, like, she hasn't been touched.
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Like, I think when it gets to that point, and it's, it just starts to get really gross.
02:17:40.440
All right, so men who want to date women with a low body count are pedos?
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No, but when it gets to the point where that's all they, it matters so much to them, you know?
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Well, I think that there's a huge problem with, like.
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I don't know how to articulate this correctly, but.
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So, sometimes when it gets to such an extreme and people.
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Is it extreme to want someone who's not promiscuous?
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But if someone is, like, I would never sleep with anyone that's even been touched by a man.
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Like, and, and I don't think that's very many people at all.
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So, all Christians and all Muslims, you're saying that they're pedophiles.
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There is a high rate of pedophilia in those religions.
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No, no, no, like, that's, like, that's just not a good argument.
02:18:57.460
Like, I understand what you guys are saying, right?
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The reality is, and this is why, this is what I was talking about earlier.
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And I don't know, like, for some reason why this is, like, perceived as a racial lens or something like that.
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It has nothing to do with the way that you look, okay?
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It was just, the chat was doing a lot, all right?
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But, like, what I'm trying to say is, like, when it comes to a low body count and being a virgin,
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But we have a hard time, like, separating the value of purity versus, like, the value of, like, a woman being more girlish.
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Like, have you noticed that women that are petite, and I mean, like, short, and they're also, like, small, right?
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So, like, it triggers a protective instinct in men that's, like, coveted.
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And it's called, it's this concept called neoteny.
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Because if you think about it, when a woman acts kind of like a girl or looks more girlish, right?
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If a guy is, like, small and boyish, is that valued?
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Because it's only attractive if, like, women are closer to that girlness.
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And even if she's, like, a tiny old lady, right?
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So, it's, like, we often try to demonize this thing, because men value purity, when we probably don't need to be doing that, right?
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Like, it could just be a fact, and that's okay, right?
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I think that we get upset, because the reality is, is that a lot of us, I think that we live in a world past hormonal birth control, right?
02:20:33.740
And that's really hard to recollect, both for women and also for men.
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But I think at the end of the day, people would still, that are looking for relationships, want people with low body counts.
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But if we're going to value that, then we need to be coupling up in our 20s.
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No, but that's probably what they're just calling.
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Okay, so bringing it back to body count really quick, I don't know if everyone got to go around on, would you take issue with a man who cared about your body count?
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No, I wouldn't have an issue if a man cared about my body count.
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I don't feel comfortable saying that to like millions of people.
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And before anyone says anything, that doesn't mean that we're...
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Yeah, no, I just, I personally keep that part of my life.
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And I just, you know, that's something for me and anyone that I choose to share that with.
02:21:55.740
All right, I'm going to get through some super chats here.
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I married my wife when she was 24 and I was 20.
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She wanted to be married because of her cultural Japanese.
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Rin, as impressed as I am with your proper pronunciation of the letter L rather than R in the place
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of L. Unfortunately, you've reached your limit on the word like for this evening.
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By the way, guys, if you're just tuning in, we did adjust the super chat threshold and
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So 50 and up to be read, 100 plus triggers TTS.
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If you do it through Streamlabs, it's 45 plus to be read and 90 plus triggers TTS.
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Ladies, men give love to get sex while women give sex to get love.
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Also, men fall in love with their eyes while women fall in love with their ears.
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But all right, so if you don't know, this was from like two shows back, and we were kind
02:23:47.140
So a girl on the show said she was a 10, and I wasn't mean to her, but I just said, listen,
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I'm not going to rate you, but you're not a 10.
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However, you know, I wasn't insulting about it, I suppose, entirely.
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In any case, this fairly famous TikToker, Drew Afwalo, she's got a podcast.
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First of all, every time I feel like we stamp out a roach, aka a white man with a podcast,
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So I just want to point something out to you guys.
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She said, every time we stamp out a cockroach, aka a white man with a podcast, that is first
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off on its face racist, which by the way, apparently it's acceptable in society to be racist against
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You actually can't be racist against white people.
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If she said cockroach, aka a white person with a podcast, that on its face is a racist statement.
02:26:10.980
She's saying white people with podcasts, white men, I suppose, are cockroaches.
02:26:19.620
Bruv, if you said that shit, and she has, keep in mind, she has like a legit production
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She's like, I don't know what she has going on.
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Like, bro, you would be fucking canceled if you replaced white man with anything else.
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So, right away, I'm just like, bruv, ad hominem.
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Damn about a roach, aka a white man with a podcast like this.
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He contributes literally nothing other than his bigoted opinions that he thinks are new
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This clip literally proves what I've said over and over and over again.
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This man is looking in her eyes and telling her, no offense, you're not a 10.
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It doesn't bother her that this fucking bitch who looks like he sells Bibles for a living
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But if I were, if I were going to rate you, it's not a 10.
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Because social currency with men is fucking worthless, bitch.
02:27:53.560
If I were to seek counsel on the opinions of good luck, why the fuck would I ask the general
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Men hate nothing more than when you don't give a shit what they think about you, especially
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Second of all, I'd think that too if I still had to sit in a car seat.
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Like, my response to that is send me a picture of you.
02:28:41.020
I love to talk about what other people look like.
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Their opinions of me especially and my looks are worth nothing more than white dog shit,
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Instead of going on godforsaken podcasts like this one, tell them to crawl back in that
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That's, I don't know if that's BPD or what that is, but, um, and by the white dog shit,
02:29:09.660
I think she's talking about white people again.
02:29:12.540
Like, racism is basically streamlined, mainstream, acceptable against white people.
02:29:21.320
Um, so first off, I don't think I'm like a, I'm like a fairly average looking guy.
02:29:26.280
So, uh, I, like, I'm not saying, oh, I'm the hot, I'm fucking hot and you're not.
02:29:31.880
We have a segment on the show where the girls rate themselves and she rated herself a 10.
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None of the, I'm pretty sure none of the other girls on the panel rating themselves
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I'm going to tell her, I'm going to, I'm just be honest.
02:29:43.840
I'm going to say you're not a 10 because one of the major issues in the dating marketplace
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is when people have a delusional or un, unrealistic self-perception of their own attractiveness.
02:29:56.200
If you think you're a 10, you're going to be chasing guys who are 10.
02:29:58.520
If you think how many, like for both men and women, how many cocky, do you guys know
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any guys who think they're hot shit, but they're not?
02:30:12.460
I think both men and women ought to value humility and humbleness.
02:30:16.720
And so I'm just, I, by asking this question, if someone's like being ridiculous with their
02:30:21.900
answer, I'm trying to offer up a bit of humility and humbleness and be like, look, if you think
02:30:28.880
you're a 10, like the big thing I see is if you think you're a 10, you're going to look at a guy
02:30:34.240
who's actually on your level and be like, I'm settling for that guy.
02:30:38.280
You're not going to treat him well, or you're just not even going to give him a chance to begin
02:30:41.860
So my thing is, is like, that's kind of the issue in the dating marketplace.
02:30:45.460
Now is the guys who are actually on your level, a lot of, and this is mostly women, some guys
02:30:52.120
too, though, you know, you hear this trope about like these basement dwelling trolls or
02:30:56.560
whatever, that just play video games, live in their mom's house that want Victoria's
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I think the reverse is true, but you're not going to be able to secure like that guy.
02:31:08.080
If you think you're a 10, you're anyway, in any case, do you have a response?
02:31:15.260
Well, I mean, I'm sure you have like some female viewers up in here.
02:31:19.120
I would encourage you as women, like you really need to curate the content that you watch because
02:31:23.300
my problem with Drew Afualo is like not necessarily that she's out of pocket or anything like that.
02:31:31.780
And she does like a lot of ad hominem attacks, but she makes a lot of misandrous content.
02:31:37.840
She makes a lot of man-hating content because did you see what she said?
02:31:40.740
She took what Brian did and she said, men hate it when you ignore what they think about
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But every time she makes these TikToks, she says, this is how all men are.
02:31:55.060
So if you're a woman and you're wanting to get married or have children or hopefully like both,
02:32:01.520
But, um, if you're wanting that, you cannot be watching this misandrous feminist content.
02:32:07.100
It's the same thing that if a man was wanting that and he was watching misogynistic content,
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Like you're brainwashing yourself to being a dysfunctional to where you can't have relationships
02:32:34.920
I just thought it was like, like I was laughing at her.
02:32:37.780
And I think when she said that you looked like, um, what was it?
02:32:47.180
I said that she looked like my youth group counselor when I was younger.
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Um, is it, do I look like a, you have a wholesome little look to you?
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I actually, I do have, I do have a guitar upstairs.
02:33:10.320
Like this place just does something to people's fashion.
02:33:13.240
Like you can't tell if they're homeless or if they're just from here.
02:33:19.820
So when you ask, you know, girls to rate themselves, do you ever follow up with a why?
02:33:29.640
I don't prod too much, but, um, yeah, I usually, no, I don't think I've ever asked why.
02:33:38.600
I feel like that, that lady wanted to be asked why, because she was really pushing
02:33:43.340
But I'm just wondering, cause I feel like a lot of people will defend, you know, obviously
02:33:49.020
they'll defend themselves and their, what they say, but it would be nice to know like
02:33:58.760
And I'm like, I'm not, I'm not trying to like dog on her.
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What reasoning could she come up with to be like, I'm a 10?
02:34:07.040
Like, even, even if it's like, well, I'm a 10 because of what we're on the inside.
02:34:13.460
Like, are you just going off appearance or are you like, oh, I got a great personality?
02:34:18.280
Like men are the same way if you rate them by social status.
02:34:20.880
So it's like women are sex objects and then men are success objects.
02:34:23.860
So it's like, if you ever like call the dude broke and he's like, ah, it's the same thing
02:34:28.280
You're like, just so you know, like you are ugly.
02:34:31.180
We have one more video to react to after we get through a couple of questions here.
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So I want to open it up to the table a little bit.
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What is your most controversial dating take or opinion?
02:34:57.100
This isn't too controversial, but if, if a guy's like, Hey, given the rarity that a guy
02:35:07.580
If he does not get out of the car and given, he picks me up.
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If he does not get out of the car and open my door for me, I'm not getting in the car.
02:35:28.780
You know, like these days, you know, the, the gender equality, we, we wanted equality
02:35:38.240
So like what I'm trying to say is like, you know, cause I actually care about you guys
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Like maybe let him know that that might be an expectation.
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Cause these dudes these days, they think y'all want to be.
02:35:48.340
But if you've, if you've spoken to me enough to ask me out, probably have had a few conversations
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with you and you, or I would probably not go out with you.
02:36:08.920
A guy needs to assume that you want his card, the car door open.
02:36:17.320
I mean, bro, that's, I think you're asking for a lot.
02:36:19.800
The past three dates I've been on, they've gone out of the car and opened my door.
02:36:27.860
I wouldn't get in the car with a guy who doesn't open my door.
02:36:31.100
You've planned a date and he has that ever happened?
02:36:34.040
No, because I don't say yes to guys that I don't think would open my door.
02:36:41.580
But it's, it's, to me, it's plausible that you would encounter a guy that you otherwise
02:36:46.560
think is fantastic, but he's not picking up on your very covert cues of, maybe he fucking
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Then he could tell me, well, you can, you'll work through a strained back, buddy.
02:37:04.120
I, you know, if I got to the car and he didn't get out, maybe I'd go to the
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And if he didn't stand up and get out and greet me, shake my hand, give me a hug, whatever.
02:37:15.220
I, I would, you know, probably be like, okay, well, it was nice to see you.
02:37:19.020
And if he did get out, I would walk over to my side and I would not touch the door.
02:37:30.400
It sounds like you're dating like conservative men.
02:37:31.800
So it means like that you, what you're doing is, is good and effective because you have
02:37:38.380
You've selected men who opened the door for you and they, they can tell her they already
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However, like I do want, like for the women that are watching before you throw that man
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away, you might want to let them know that that's something that you expect or value.
02:37:53.340
But, uh, the rest of y'all, you know, just be considerate.
02:38:03.220
My husband opens my door, but you know what I will say?
02:38:05.600
Like when I first met my husband, I opened my door, um, a lot, like quite a bit.
02:38:09.120
And then something happened where we fell into these very traditional gender roles for
02:38:15.320
And he just like magically started opening my door every single time.
02:38:21.440
And I thought that was like a really interesting change where you can bring that masculinity.
02:38:30.580
Um, I mean, I just, I think that so much of it, like at this point in my life, I'm not
02:38:35.040
trying to, I don't want to say find a charity case where I have to teach a boy manners.
02:38:41.280
Like my little 14 year old brother opens my door when I'm home too.
02:39:06.320
I can physically open my own door, but you know, for me anyways, for me.
02:39:12.140
So you would, if you're going on a date with a woman, would you open her door?
02:39:15.780
So I'm picking, first off, I would never pick up a girl on a date.
02:39:23.160
Would you make her drive to you and pick you up?
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You're just not the kind of guy that I think that a woman who values a manly man would do.
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Because there's like, there's plenty of, it's rare these days, but there are masculine, liberal men.
02:39:46.060
They're just like, no, like, we just have this equality.
02:39:49.720
So, like, I get where you're coming from and your strategy is effective.
02:39:53.220
I think, like, a better question to ask is, like, what's your plan in the long run?
02:39:57.980
Let's say you land this guy and he doesn't live up to certain expectations.
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But we're talking about, like, we have very, very high standards.
02:40:08.280
And it's because your parents raised you well, right?
02:40:09.780
And, you know, hopefully, like, you can get what you're looking for in the dating market, right?
02:40:14.360
You end up in this long-term relationship where you're married and he isn't meeting an expectation or a standard.
02:40:26.060
If I am in a relationship with a person, at that point, I respect them enough to have a conversation and communicate.
02:40:31.860
But I do have a high standard to even considering.
02:40:35.240
Let me tell you why I don't think the guy should open the door and pick you up and do all the shit.
02:40:51.960
Look, modern women, I'm not going to do the nice guy thing.
02:40:58.340
I'm not going to be the gentleman if she's not a lady.
02:41:07.980
Have some standards for yourself and say, I'm not going out with a girl who, you know, wouldn't act like a lady.
02:41:16.060
You know, if you're into some weird shit, then you're into some weird shit.
02:41:20.820
Like, I can't think of what the inverse of a man not opening the door would be.
02:41:27.940
So I don't exactly know how to compare the situation.
02:41:31.160
But the men that I'm looking to date are high value men who are looking for a high value woman, which I strive to be.
02:41:39.600
And so I do expect my door to be opened and I will act like a lady.
02:41:46.720
I believe that men and women are equal, but for completely different reasons.
02:41:54.600
I think it's the most beautiful symbiotic relationship created by God.
02:42:01.040
I was going to bring up the pay thing because an opinion for me, I don't, I guess it's controversial now.
02:42:05.580
I think a guy should pay for the girl when they go out to dinner.
02:42:16.940
So why should, why should the guy have to pay for you on the first date?
02:42:32.280
You're expecting men to adhere to their traditional gender roles.
02:42:39.020
Because you don't, equality is not a buffet where you get to pick and choose.
02:42:44.180
That which benefits you and you say no to that which doesn't.
02:42:48.540
Well, can you give me some traditional women behaviors that I can, you know, I do or don't do this?
02:42:54.420
Well, I mean, oh, I mean, I, so yeah, I can do this.
02:42:59.640
We're just like, we're playing with mental models here.
02:43:01.700
So like you said, your parents raised you conservative.
02:43:03.860
So I'm going to ask you a question, question, but before I ask you the question, I'm going to let you know, like I'm Christian.
02:43:16.260
I'm a, I would consider myself a spiritual person, not religious.
02:43:24.220
So like, how do you understand the concept of submission when it comes to women?
02:43:30.880
And so when it comes to like, if we're talking.
02:43:37.060
I had enough girl in the middle, you want chivalry, but you sound extremely combative and entitled.
02:43:46.180
If you want chivalry, you better be soft spoken and gentle.
02:43:51.980
Can I, I want to just butt in here a little bit.
02:43:54.660
I understand what you're saying about opening the door, but my boyfriend opens my door and
02:43:58.360
I reach over and I open his, you know, I understand that like, I've never had a boy
02:44:01.800
that opens my door, but then I never opened another boy's door.
02:44:07.960
There's supposed to be something that comes with that.
02:44:09.420
And with the paying with the meal, if someone asks me on a date, I expect them to pay for
02:44:15.920
I've asked guys like, you know, I, Hey, you want to go get ice cream?
02:44:19.200
I'll pay for the fucking ice cream, but I do believe in roles in a relationship.
02:44:23.920
And I think that a woman has her place and a man has her place.
02:44:26.740
And I think they're different and they, well, man has his place too.
02:44:32.040
And I completely think that that's controversial and that's my hot take on it.
02:44:36.180
Um, so like, thank you, but I'm still like trying to like work with this particular example
02:44:41.500
because a lot of the times we'll, um, we'll have like Christian values or we'll say we're
02:44:48.160
Jew, Jewish, um, like, uh, theology still holds submission for women.
02:44:53.220
Um, do you believe that women should be unconditionally submissive?
02:44:58.900
Well, I mean, do you mean to like to their husbands?
02:45:10.440
Do you think that your man should love you unconditionally?
02:45:16.300
So then, well, then you have more like leeway with that.
02:45:18.640
So it's like, I think the question is more, more so how traditional are you?
02:45:26.000
I, you know, I, I believe that they're like, I'm certainly not orthodox.
02:45:29.280
Like there's a long range, but I think that in today's society, I would be considered more
02:45:36.800
So I think like the bigger question, because you have like, uh, these high standards for
02:45:50.100
But like, well, what do you think that you, okay.
02:45:54.860
The kind of wife that you're, you would want your son to have, what would you expect her
02:46:02.660
Like, I, I think I'm a very kind, loving, loyal, you know, supportive, supportive more
02:46:11.680
Um, you know, I, I love to take care of people.
02:46:21.080
My goal in life is to be a great mom and a good, great wife.
02:46:24.980
And so that's what I have to bring to the table.
02:46:27.720
So are you prepared to be of service to your man?
02:46:31.620
It depends on, you know, what extent are we going to that?
02:46:34.720
Well, just like he loves you, takes care of you.
02:46:42.820
So then, then like your standards make sense, but it's just like, when we're like, if you're
02:46:46.540
going to, you know, like when you know, I understand, I feel like you have a lot of
02:46:49.680
blonde haired bimbos on here saying, I want this and I want that.
02:46:53.520
I feel like there's been some assumption everywhere.
02:47:01.160
Like, I understand that people look at me, you know, I don't dress the most conservatively.
02:47:08.400
I like to do my thing, but I just think it was off the bat.
02:47:13.080
Like, this girl's probably a dumb ass like the rest of them.
02:47:15.380
Like, and I totally understand because unfortunately I walk into the most rooms believing most people
02:47:28.880
My whole thing though, is with the car door opening thing.
02:47:34.340
You mentioned that you want the guy to pay for you on the first date.
02:47:38.560
Let me go around the table really quick on this.
02:47:40.500
Do you want a guy to pay for you on the first date?
02:48:20.220
If I'm asking a guy on a date, I'm probably going to pay for his meal, but I'm never asking
02:48:29.120
Well, when second dates and third dates come along.
02:48:34.240
For a first date, I'm going to go ahead and make the assumption that he asked me out.
02:48:39.500
Or, you know, I actually have a weird thing about eating in front of people.
02:48:47.220
So, like, if even more than that, if a guy's like, hey, let's do something, he better have
02:48:54.620
You know, if we're going and spending the day together and doing something, he better have
02:48:58.940
It's not like, hey, Lynn, like, what do you want to do?
02:49:04.000
It's, there should be some more thoughts, some more effort.
02:49:06.520
The initial, you know, maybe first, second date, if you continue to ask me out.
02:49:10.380
Because as a lady, I think that I should wait to be, you know, asked.
02:49:14.180
I'm not going to say, well, when are you taking me out next?
02:49:17.900
I think that, you know, once you're in a committed relationship, I'd be happy to put down my card.
02:49:23.720
I'd, you know, there's, I'm not like, I need someone to pay for everything.
02:49:28.460
Let's let some other people get an opportunity to speak.
02:49:34.180
If we're friends and I'm hanging out with my guy friend, I, whatever, maybe I'll pay for his taco.
02:49:42.080
I think if you're trying to, and I don't want to say, because I'm not a prize, but if you're trying to win me over, you know,
02:49:48.320
I think that you should be doing these things, you know.
02:49:54.280
I think if you're asking me out, you're going to take time out of my schedule.
02:50:04.700
But if there's follow-up dates, then take care.
02:50:07.740
So all of you said either whoever asks or the guy should pay.
02:50:57.820
The one that he didn't, I never talked to him again.
02:51:04.520
If you went out on a date with a guy and he said, hey, I'd like to, you know, the check
02:51:21.860
If I really like the guy, I mean, in the instance, how am I really going to like a guy
02:51:31.420
And it's like first impressions are everything.
02:51:36.900
And we already said, you know, if we fall in love with a guy and he's broke, I would
02:51:42.860
And I don't want to say financially support him.
02:51:45.460
But if we're going out and doing something together.
02:51:50.440
I think you're going to get that answer from all of us.
02:52:05.880
I went on a date with this guy and he had me drive him around, which is also fine.
02:52:26.900
And then he turns to me and he tells me that he's hungry, like I'm some sort of Uber driver
02:52:34.600
So we go to McDonald's and he turns to me after paying, it's at the kiosk.
02:52:40.360
He gets like a 20 piece nugget and he goes, so who's paying you or me?
02:52:48.700
And I'm like, I thought, I thought he was joking.
02:52:50.500
So I was like, okay, let's rock, paper, scissors, like to see who pays.
02:52:57.360
And I pull out my card and I pay for his stupid nuggets.
02:53:09.560
No, like, do you remember, do you remember at the very beginning of this where I was
02:53:30.040
Let's say he asked you, but he says at the end of the date, do you want to split the
02:53:36.000
The thing is with me, like, um, maybe like last year I would have been like, oh yeah,
02:53:43.300
But like now people are trying to tell me to be more like, you know, like have him take
02:53:50.260
Like, I feel like I would make excuses and be like, yeah, I'll see you again.
02:54:07.940
That, and I realized like I'm married, but I still have like functioning ovaries and I
02:54:14.920
If a man likes you, if he thinks that you're valuable, he's going to pay.
02:54:21.540
Like if you invite him, you say like, I want to take you on a date or something like
02:54:24.760
Like if he enjoys the time that he spent with you, he's going to make sure that he pays.
02:54:29.440
So like, my question is whenever one, like, why are we choosing these men that want to
02:54:36.300
I don't know what was going through your mind, but you know, I mean, did he hit, did he hit?
02:54:45.620
You were like, who's this fucking Chad who just made me pay for his nugs?
02:54:51.340
What about like, maybe not hit, but did you like, you know, a little backseat?
02:55:03.660
Before, like, we kissed and then we went to McDonald's.
02:55:13.540
The thing about it is, like, if you guys are wanting men to be masculine, like, you are
02:55:16.560
going to have to find and figure out some type of way to be feminine, okay?
02:55:19.920
And I think, like, in the West, we have, we really struggle with this concept of femininity,
02:55:24.200
and it requires that you are more demure and that you follow his lead, which means, like,
02:55:29.540
So, if you start off, like, relationships with that premise, like, yeah, I'm okay with
02:55:34.180
How far is he going to, like, take that assumption, right?
02:55:38.900
Like, it happens to women, but, like, we do have to look at ourselves.
02:55:46.140
Most women, you guys could be, like, very different, because obviously, like, nobody's
02:55:51.920
But, like, a lot of women have that expectation of men, and they are not willing to fem up, and
02:55:56.180
they should, because we constantly tell men to man up, but we never tell women to fem up.
02:55:59.860
Because I think, like, that's, like, a complete, you know, just, like, complete taking advantage,
02:56:05.840
Like, I think that men, if they have a bad time with a woman, I think it's completely
02:56:11.180
acceptable that he just throws cash on the table and walks out.
02:56:14.600
Like, pays for his half of the meal and doesn't pay for the whole thing.
02:56:16.840
But men don't pay for a bad time with a woman either.
02:56:22.540
Like, respect that a man is spending his resources for you on the date.
02:56:25.720
But, yeah, like, this is what I meant at the beginning when I was like, I worry about
02:56:37.560
So, as far as the whole, like, who asks thing, for those of you who said, well, whoever
02:56:45.680
asks should pay, from what you answered, you said, well, maybe one of you asked one time.
02:56:53.480
The whole whoever asks things, the whole whoever asks thing, your answer may as well be men should
02:57:06.060
But men overwhelmingly are the ones that initiate.
02:57:09.240
And she just completely answered that question.
02:57:12.380
It's a, so, well, I can, okay, I'll curse here for the sake of it.
02:57:17.880
Because it's like, as a woman, if you invite a man out, you should be just ethically prepared
02:57:22.980
to pay for that date if you ask him out, right?
02:57:33.420
So, this is like, if you fail this test, like, then we don't want to continue seeing you
02:57:37.440
Isn't that crazy that we play these mind games?
02:57:39.020
Well, I think that we're being, I don't even want to say smart right here, but, like, the
02:57:43.200
instance that, you know, I suggested my friend, like, hey, let's go see this movie, and
02:57:47.180
he was like, okay, before we even got to the movie theater, I had bought the tickets
02:57:58.140
I don't know why, because I know if we got to the movie, he would have paid.
02:58:01.720
But, possibly because we were friends before, and, you know, it was kind of first.
02:58:06.440
I think, like, what they're just trying, because it's a male viewership, I think what we're
02:58:09.180
trying to say is, like, pay for the date, even if we say that we're going to pay for it
02:58:13.880
because it's a test, at the same time, though, like, there are some issues when it comes to
02:58:18.620
we want equality with men, but then we're like, mm, except for these things, except for
02:58:24.020
these double standards that happen to benefit us, and then we don't want equality with men.
02:58:28.740
So, I think we just need to fess up to that, and if we have, like, internalized feminism,
02:58:32.260
because we talk about internalized misogyny all the time, I think, like, if we have internalized
02:58:35.380
feminism, we also need to, like, kind of check that.
02:58:46.660
Like, we're equal in importance for the human race, but we're not equal by design, and that's
02:58:59.440
I don't think, men, you need to protect yourselves, because men, the big thing we don't want,
02:59:04.960
men care about respect, and men don't want to be made out to be suckers, and the fact of
02:59:09.760
the matter is, when you're back 20, well, it's gotten worse than social media and dating
02:59:15.480
apps, back 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, if you went on a first date with a girl, the
02:59:21.520
likelihood that she had a genuine interest in you, and wasn't just using you because she
02:59:26.800
was bored, or she wants a free meal, or just the fact that we have so many options today,
02:59:33.260
that the likelihood that any one given first date even ends up becoming a second date is
02:59:45.580
In the past, in the past, you'd maybe go on like three first dates, and then you're married.
02:59:52.060
Now motherfuckers be going on three dates a week.
02:59:55.140
And men, you need to protect your, like, I know, look, is it, here's my thing, are you
03:00:00.300
probably going to lose girls if you don't pay for the date?
03:00:07.400
I'm not going to be paying for a girl on a date that's fucking another dude, and most
03:00:16.060
A lot of girls, most girls, have some dude that they're sleeping with, or they're dating
03:00:22.980
I'm not going to adhere to my traditional gender roles with a woman that's not adhering
03:00:28.640
In other words, basically not being promiscuous.
03:00:34.900
I'm dating a guy who's probably dating a couple of...
03:00:39.300
There are more women who are promiscuous than there are men.
03:00:42.160
Most men have no options, whereas take an average woman.
03:00:46.600
If you take an average woman, she has the equivalent sexual pull of a male celebrity.
03:00:52.300
I see your point here, but I'm going on a date with a guy, and he goes out the next
03:00:57.060
night, and we're not exclusive or anything, and some eight throws herself at him.
03:01:02.860
Because like you said, men are easier than women are.
03:01:05.420
Right, but there's the value exchange on the first date.
03:01:08.960
Y'all just said you want men to pay for the first date.
03:01:15.460
You're adhering to your traditional gender roles.
03:01:25.380
If the guy, he's fucking other chicks, but he still pays for the date, like you're not
03:01:29.780
made out to necessarily be a sucker in that situation, whereas men are going on 50, 100,
03:01:36.900
I don't think you should be going on dinner dates, but a lot of guys are going to do that,
03:01:40.500
and a lot of women can command men that will do that.
03:01:45.440
I think the better question is like, why do you deserve, as the company, the guest, why
03:01:52.680
do you deserve that man to pay for that first date?
03:01:57.660
You asked what my most controversial thing was.
03:02:03.720
Like we're way past the point that you brought up, right?
03:02:06.300
This is a genuine question, and we should be able to answer this, like as people that
03:02:12.320
Why do we deserve for that man to pay for that first date?
03:02:18.960
I think that that's just, like I said, I'm more of a traditional woman, and I think that
03:02:29.560
Traditional women, typically like that actual standard, the benchmark is if she saved herself
03:02:33.760
for marriage, point blank, period, the end, right?
03:02:41.580
I like, why can't we answer the simple question?
03:02:45.860
Why do we deserve for that man to pay for that first date?
03:02:50.460
The second he asked me on a date, that's when I...
03:03:04.320
But women also spend time and money on their appearance and looks.
03:03:09.120
But think about the money that goes into, you know, the vanity that we all have to deal
03:03:20.000
Because it's like, we would tell them the same thing.
03:03:22.440
Like, we would quickly tell a man, I deserve for you to pay the first date.
03:03:48.560
What is the answer you'd like to hear right now?
03:03:49.900
Because it's crazy that we cannot articulate as women who are dating why we deserve for
03:03:56.880
I just gave you guys, like, a pretty substantive, substantial, or substantial?
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You bring a good time, a pleasant demeanor, good banter, genuine desire, you think he's
03:04:12.740
But men automatically know they have to pay for a date.
03:04:15.460
We should know why we deserve that time paid for.
03:04:24.440
Okay, you said that one of the reasons that it should be more important, or not more important,
03:04:31.180
that men should pay for the first date is because women have a higher financial burden
03:04:35.080
of getting ready for the first date by putting on makeup.
03:04:39.080
Do women wear makeup for men or for themselves?
03:04:51.340
I wear mascara to look hotter because I want a boyfriend.
03:04:55.020
And now that I have a boyfriend, I don't wear mascara on my boyfriend all the time.
03:05:11.940
So do you think one of the reasons a man should pay for a first date is because you spend more
03:05:20.480
I mean, it does cost something, but it shouldn't be everything.
03:05:22.440
I think if the connection is good, then that should kind of...
03:05:25.440
Well, it's so interesting because on one hand, a lot of women will say, well, I don't wear
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But then they'll say that the guy should pay for the date because I have to get ready.
03:05:44.380
But that was not truthfully my answer to your question.
03:05:46.960
I was confused on the answer you were looking for because I believe I stated it before when
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I told you I'm loyal, I'm compassionate, I'm loving.
03:05:55.040
So I was confused on the answer you were looking for.
03:06:01.320
Women have a really hard time articulating what they bring to the table.
03:06:03.840
And I think sometimes it calls into question, like, are we actually bringing something
03:06:09.140
Because we think, like, well, my company's enough.
03:06:11.880
It's like, a lot of women can offer their company, what makes you special?
03:06:17.300
Because when we think about this money that men have, we take it for granted, right?
03:06:21.000
This is time that that man spends out of his life to earn those resources to share it
03:06:27.880
If we're going to be dating, and you said you're looking for marriage and hopefully children,
03:06:35.340
Because men know automatically off-rits why they have to pay.
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That's why if I were a man, I wouldn't be dating all women.
03:06:54.320
Like, you're answering very, like, this is, that's what I'm thinking.
03:06:58.800
I just didn't know you wanted a list of why I think I'm so great.
03:07:01.400
Because I've been seeing myself called egotistical and a narcissist, like, 97 times, which
03:07:09.640
I just, you know, that was, I didn't realize you were missing.
03:07:14.460
Where on the totem pole of what men care about in a woman is funny?
03:07:18.500
You know, I found, I heard something the other day that was, like, when they asked a bunch
03:07:24.120
of men and women, like, what's important to you when dating?
03:07:33.080
Women define a sense of humor as a guy that makes, a guy that makes them laugh.
03:07:38.740
And then men define a sense of humor as a guy who thinks, uh, that can, that the woman
03:07:47.080
So I think we all can agree, like, men are kind of the comedians, but I'd like to say
03:07:53.420
Like, I like to think of myself as, like, a good time and funny.
03:07:57.540
Like, I mean, you're like, I would say, like, I would say, like, okay, majority of women
03:08:01.200
are just, like, not funny to men just because they have a different sense of humor.
03:08:05.080
But, like, you bring the silliness, the playfulness, right?
03:08:07.740
So it's just, like, we just have to be prepared to ask these questions because we're constantly
03:08:12.760
And we're not willing to say, like, well, gee, like, did I, did I earn that?
03:08:22.460
Like, you said that I, for some reason, thought that you needed to be a virgin to have that
03:08:27.380
I was truthfully trying to understand the answer you were looking for, and your answer was a
03:08:36.140
As women, why do we deserve to have the first date paid for it?
03:08:51.500
What's, like, a good answer that you could say, too, that for some reason, like, people
03:08:56.500
Like, I mean, you guys can't tell, because y'all can only see her from the waist up.
03:09:03.340
Like, you can say, like, well, you know, I'm actually beautiful, and I put a lot into
03:09:09.260
You don't have to shy away from that being a quality, too.
03:09:11.280
But just so y'all know, like, looks get you in the door.
03:09:14.140
A personality is what keeps, don't get me wrong, but looks get you in the door.
03:09:17.720
So, like, we have women out here looking like a whole, like, adjustable four, okay?
03:09:22.680
Trying to be like, I deserve to be paid on a first date.
03:09:26.700
The kind of men that want you, like, you're not going to be happy with them.
03:09:29.740
Is what I'm hearing, the answer you wanted from me was because...
03:09:39.640
Men don't give a fuck about if a woman is funny.
03:09:42.940
Like, that's just so low on the totem pole of what we care about.
03:09:57.960
See, a lot of women look to men to be their dancing monkeys and their entertainment.
03:10:02.940
Women are looking for the vibe, the chemistry, the click.
03:10:08.160
We want a girl who's mellow, who's calm, who's submissive, who's demure.
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Like, if she's silly, you're not going to be like, oh, she's cute.
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But I don't need a girl to be witty and, like, have these amazing stories.
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But you don't think it's, like, hot if she's smart or something like that?
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You can be smart and also calm and mellow and...
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But I'm saying, do you think it makes a girl more attractive if she's smart?
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Actually, most of the women I date are STEM majors.
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I prefer shy girl over, like, the outgoing, extroverted chick.
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First off, well, and you mentioned, like, freaks, right?
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Extroverted, like, basic chicks, kind of boring in bed.
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They're freaks, and they're STEM majors as well, is what I'm getting at.
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Yeah, most of the women I date are STEM majors.
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Why are you dating girls that are still in college?
03:11:49.460
We talked about that, and I was on the other side.
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I don't know, mid to late 20s, and she was getting her PhD in...
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Like, for some reason, we seem to think that men value smart women.
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You, like, are making this argument about, like, intelligence women.
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I'm just saying, like, this is a conception that women often have.
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So, like, for some reason, we seem to think that men value smart women.
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Do you want to be with a man that you're smarter than?
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Do you want to be with a man that you're smarter than?
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We're not on the same intellectual level and it sucks because you want to have, like,
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a good, strong conversation and it's just not there.
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It's like the lights are on, but nobody's home.
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I think it's super important to be with someone that inspires me and that includes it in,
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And, you know, we were talking about upbringings and, well, why do you think that?
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I mean, growing up, if I was, like, sitting on my phone, my dad's like, put that shit down
03:13:32.280
We talk every day about, you know, worldly things.
03:13:40.140
So I do think, you know, I would like to believe that men want to smart women.
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But I would consider myself a smart individual.
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So, like, I would say the statistics and the data, which I can show you guys sometime after
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Or I can show you, like, probably, like, on my YouTube channel, I can do it.
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But women usually don't want to be with men who have lower IQs than them in general.
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I don't even think it's about, like, mental stimulation.
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Like, we don't even have that, like, with men, we don't even have that much in common.
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Like, I can play around with politics with my husband.
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That's, like, but I'm the exception to the rule.
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Like, you know, I don't want to get pedicures, like, with my man.
03:14:28.340
Like, there's, we have different interests, right?
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So it's, like, in order for a man to lead you, we probably want a man that's more intelligent
03:14:36.000
But how are we going to find a man that's more intelligent than us who can, like, you know, forward
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project and protect us if we're out here thinking that, like, well, men really like smart
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I love being, like, I love, there's nothing I love more than not using my brain.
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Do you, like, do you understand, like, the plight of women who have high IQs to where
03:15:09.200
But can we agree there's, you know, there's book smart, on paper smart, and there's other
03:15:16.120
Like, I've never been in a fight, but I, you know.
03:15:27.040
Like, I'm not talking, because a man can be a high IQ, never gets a PhD, just happens
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We still want men that are smarter than us in the long run, because it's, like, it creates
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Well, if I'm smarter than you as the woman, then I can out-earn you.
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Then what good are you to me in 2023 when I can bring home the bacon?
03:15:45.520
Okay, what's throwing me off here, and I feel like you also kind of were talking about this.
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It seems like we all agree, like, the majority of people are not up to the expectation.
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And it seems like you both have kind of insinuated, like, well, that's right.
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We should stoop down to that level, not date up to where, you know.
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Like, I never said dumb yourselves down, but that's when I say what I said, which is objective,
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there's data that shows the higher an IQ a woman is, the harder she has a time with
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All I said was is that we tend to choose, if we can choose, men that are more intelligent
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Why is that the automatic association and response that I said to dumb yourself down?
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I would never ask my daughter to dumb herself down.
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Can I just say, I asked Brian a simple question about some girls being freaks or something,
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if you like smart girls, and I feel like this is way too deep.
03:16:50.460
Well, okay, so we're talking about smart girls.
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I brought up an IQ and really interesting mental models, and then, like, now I'm doing
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On that note, I would say introverted shy chicks.
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Okay, we have, let's see, we have, did we do this one?
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I don't, Julie's Auto Garage, thank you for the 50.
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Seems like there is a lot of high expectations for men, but low responsibility for these gals.
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I feel like there's a lot of cap going on here from everyone.
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So, I mean, my response to you, Julie's Auto Garage, by the way, thank you for the, your patronage.
03:18:00.760
The toilet seat thing, whoever, look, whoever uses it, they, they can.
03:18:04.440
No, that's such a big argument with me and my boyfriend.
03:18:07.060
He's so, he's lazy with that, and that pisses me the fuck off.
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He's a fucking lazy piece of shit when he doesn't put the fucking.
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Yo, Dylan, keep leaving that toilet seat up, and actually, while you're at it, leave the seat down and pee a little bit on it.
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We'll go home for Christmas, and he'll do that, and his dad will notice.
03:18:34.820
No, he doesn't know I'm on here, because I called him to tell, it was a last minute thing.
03:18:39.100
He's probably going to watch this and be like, so, what the fuck are you doing?
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They bring a lot to the table, always down on all fours, sitting around the house all day long, doing nothing.
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I'm a single mom, and I go to school full-time, so fuck you.
03:19:07.100
Traditionally, men pay for first dates because they both knew each other beforehand, and there are social repercussions to accepting a date when the woman is not actually interested in the man and looking forward to the second before the first.
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Yo, Sam, thank you for the $50 super chat, man.
03:19:26.400
Yeah, so, I mean, Sophia, you said that the guy should pay for the first date.
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No, I mean, I think you can be, I think, well, marriage is just a big L for men.
03:19:59.020
Well, I think that companionship is a huge thing for human beings.
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Well, I didn't say, I could have a life partner.
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You don't want to be legally binded to someone.
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Well, I could be with someone for the rest of my life.
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And I, in fact, I think that's quite desirable of a situation to be in.
03:20:23.440
However, the way marriage, the, as far as the laws go, it's, it's terrible for men, but you
03:20:33.460
So, so this person you could see yourself committing to.
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It is high up on your list of things you, you know, attributes of this person and things
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You think you can't respect someone if you don't want to get married to them or.
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Maybe I should have framed that the other way, but.
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I don't care if she has personality, which is totally fine, you know?
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I think you said bland, but I just, you know, I, I am wondering, like, is respect you feel
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Like, I feel that I am most respected when someone understands my intelligence.
03:21:19.000
So, is the person you see yourself with long-term a smart intellectual that you respect?
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She, she need not necessarily be smart or intellectual.
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I, I don't have anything against, I've dated women who are, I would say, hold on, let me
03:21:37.360
I've dated women who I would say are smarter than me.
03:21:40.520
In fact, I'd honestly say that the previous girl I dated was, she's a PhD studying, like,
03:21:48.380
Like, probably, at least book-wise, smarter than me, more intelligent than me.
03:21:53.240
Perhaps in other facets, I'm more intelligent than her, but I'm open to dating a girl who's
03:22:05.180
I just, I feel like that's so funny because you run a podcast, like, you must like good
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Don't you want to be with someone that can hold a good conversation and add something
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I mean, like, if she can, if I can have a conversation with her, but I don't need a
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girl who's, like, got insane charisma and can tell good stories and has a witty comeback
03:22:37.740
That's the most important thing, personality-wise, a girl can bring me because I have a very stressful
03:22:43.520
The last thing I want to do is have a girlfriend that's always wanting to argue.
03:22:51.220
The biggest thing a girl can bring me, personality-wise, is peace and calm.
03:23:00.640
And he tells me about what he wants in, like, a girlfriend or, like, somebody to, like, be
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It's just, like, like, the compassion and empathy and, like, just to have somebody, like, to be
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there with him, for him, and to, like, support him.
03:23:14.820
And just, he said, just don't make our lives hard.
03:23:17.760
But, yeah, I mean, and also, I think one of the reasons why women tend to want intelligent
03:23:23.960
men is if you're intelligent, then you're more capable of providing provisioning.
03:23:32.980
If you're intelligent, like, intelligent people tend to be higher earners, whereas, like, we
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as men, we don't really care about a woman's ambition or, excuse me, or her success.
03:23:53.840
I just, like, just the stuff we were talking about before, like, you guys, you know, you
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guys had it down, so I didn't really say anything.
03:24:06.660
So, a lot of men, like, they want, like, they want their women to help them feel more masculine.
03:24:12.420
Like, my dad, he, like, he likes dating girls that, like, he can take care of because he
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feels more, like, you know, like, they like feeling like men.
03:24:22.540
And I think that plays into the fact that, you know, men and women have different roles
03:24:27.780
And I think that in a perfect relationship, a man brings out a woman's femininity, and
03:24:36.560
So, things like opening a woman's door should play into that.
03:24:43.960
But, okay, so, you kind of made a grimace when I said most men don't really care about
03:25:02.440
Because one day, hope to be a great wife, and I just, I want to believe that that is
03:25:07.680
I think that, you know, when you're born, you have somewhat of a personality.
03:25:11.680
And my whole life, I've been ambitious, and I want big things for myself.
03:25:18.700
So, whether a man, you know, doesn't, does or doesn't value that, you know, I wouldn't
03:25:23.640
want to be with a man who just wants a trophy wife.
03:25:27.540
You know, I want someone who can respect what I'm doing and care about me.
03:25:33.740
Like, I do, and I totally agree, the best thing in a relationship is when you bring each
03:25:38.800
Like, so, the grimace comes from the fact that, like, I don't believe that, you know,
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I'm not saying it's a turnoff, but men don't really prioritize it.
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It's not, it can be a turnoff in the sense that if you want to be successful in business
03:26:01.580
or in the corporate world, excuse me, you need to cultivate a certain cutthroatness that
03:26:13.300
When you start becoming cutthroat in the corporate world, in business, that's going to seep into
03:26:22.920
I grew up with corporate parents and my dad's an attorney.
03:26:25.280
So, I haven't had to be in the work world to get those things.
03:26:30.500
Attorneys are typically, have to be very disagreeable.
03:26:33.840
So, for example, a female attorney, she's going to have to cultivate her ability to be disagreeable
03:26:40.820
There's, you need to know, you need, you like very much by the rules and by the book.
03:26:45.220
So, it's not necessarily, like, you can still be very feminine and also be successful, but
03:26:54.180
a lot of women who are, get into the corporate world, become very successful.
03:26:58.460
They do lose a little bit of it, but the main thing that I would say to this, it's not so
03:27:02.380
much that, it's, you're like, oh, well, I would hope that a guy cares about my success
03:27:09.580
All of you at this table said that you want the guy to pay for the first date.
03:27:14.840
I assume you also want that guy to continue providing throughout the relationship.
03:27:19.060
Men don't care about your money and your ambition and your success chiefly because you do not
03:27:25.220
share your resources with men the same way that men share their resources with women.
03:27:30.360
All of you said you want the guy to pay for the first date.
03:27:35.840
Men don't receive a tangible benefit by your success.
03:27:41.260
All the girls here said they'd want the guy to pay for the first date.
03:27:46.720
If a man and a woman are married and a woman has income, you know, I would hope that she
03:27:56.260
You know, unless the man is so, you know, stable that he can take care of the both of
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them or the woman is choosing to be a mother and she wants to devote her time there.
03:28:04.120
But there are definitely women that even beyond the first date still want the guy to continue
03:28:11.220
There are some women I, you know, I can prove it.
03:28:17.180
I think that a lot of reasonable women would say into the relationship, if you have shown
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your interest in me enough, a by asking me out and treating me well and putting your
03:28:27.420
card down the first couple of dates, I said, I'm happy to start, you know, paying, splitting,
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If I know that I like you, I would love to be in a relationship where I do this for you
03:28:41.940
I think, I think what a lot of men have a problem with like the boss babe thing and why
03:28:45.480
the boss babe thing isn't appealing is because we kind of have this expectation that he should
03:28:50.800
be okay with being second to a career where like your, your boss that you work for will
03:28:59.160
I think that's what men have a very big problem with when it comes to, well, you know, I want
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He's like, okay, well, how much am I going to matter?
03:29:08.280
Cause there's, there's also been, and this would be anecdotal, right?
03:29:11.820
But there's been conversations where, um, men have asked their woman to quit their jobs
03:29:24.200
So you're literally choosing, you know, your, your boss who would replace you over him.
03:29:31.160
And I don't think your, your job should come first as a man either, but I think oftentimes
03:29:35.620
anything, cause family should be first, but like if you're a man and you have to deal
03:29:39.980
with being in this high status profession to create that umbrella of, uh, financial security,
03:29:45.180
like, yeah, it's okay if your family's on the back burner because they're not truly on
03:29:50.180
You're going through that so that you can benefit them.
03:29:56.460
Like what, what man wants to be second to a career?
03:29:58.520
Like the, the, our, these companies don't care about us.
03:30:00.880
Like, I don't think he's second to a really circumstantial kind of thing.
03:30:04.340
And it's, it's not that, it's not that certain, I'm not second in my job.
03:30:07.300
Like I can't, no one's going to, I mean, of course everyone's somewhat
03:30:09.840
replaceable, but it's like, I feel like you're just kind of spewing like these words, but
03:30:17.320
Is your answer to all of this, that women shouldn't work or that, you know, I should
03:30:21.160
quit my job because I mean, my dad's not paying my rent.
03:30:30.860
Like, first of all, you said that this is like circumstantial, right?
03:30:33.660
And there's also like broad swaths of data where like, these are things that are going
03:30:39.020
Like when we're talking about making women equal to men in the marketplace, in the job
03:30:47.440
One unintended consequence is like 50% of women are projected to be single in 2030.
03:30:57.980
No, because of like, because of being past the industrial revolution and because of economic
03:31:05.040
That this is the unintended consequence of the boss babe culture.
03:31:11.280
50.1% of women in the UK are childless by age 30.
03:31:15.200
So like, we've made it to this point where like, we've made ourselves completely equal
03:31:20.140
And it's like, that sounds really good in theory.
03:31:22.060
But if you're going to be like a mom and have children, you're going to have to make compromises
03:31:28.300
And a lot of women like, they're not getting this.
03:31:30.880
So I'm not saying like, you need to quit your job and you need to stay home, right?
03:31:36.220
And putting a career ahead of your man is not a good way to get there.
03:31:39.420
Because he's probably going to need to cover you.
03:31:41.540
Like, a lot of this gender equality stuff sounds really cool and like, all this independence.
03:31:45.100
A lot of women who say this have not reproduced.
03:31:47.460
I have very much needed to depend on my husband in my pregnancy, first trimester, last trimester.
03:31:55.400
And I think that the reason why we have these like, made up constructs, because you know,
03:31:58.920
like, everything's a social construct, is because we just are not seeing people get married
03:32:07.120
And no one said that they would put their job over their husband, ever.
03:32:13.440
I feel like that's another thing that you're kind of just making up.
03:32:19.100
But I feel like every person here would say, of course, I would choose my family and my
03:32:23.860
And I think that your idea of this boss babe thing is like what you're making up in your
03:32:34.600
Like, but I mean, like you don't have like a traditional job.
03:32:36.580
Like, so I feel like you kind of can't really speak on it because you're not in.
03:32:40.580
I understand that you have a baby and you have a husband and you're in those shoes,
03:32:43.600
but I don't think that like, okay, you're trying to speak on the boss babe thing, but
03:32:48.800
Like, I'm giving you objective truths that I can prove.
03:32:52.600
I will give them to you immediately after the show.
03:32:57.980
These are the consequences of us putting careers ahead of men.
03:33:05.360
Like, women are putting careers ahead of men to the point that they would rather have
03:33:16.560
If you don't want to do that, then don't do that.
03:33:18.340
I don't think that the majority, if you don't want to do what?
03:33:20.160
If you don't want to put your job over your husband, then don't do that.
03:33:25.420
And I think that you're saying, well, women do that where, who, when?
03:33:32.680
My subjective experience does not influence the numbers that I'm giving you.
03:33:37.760
This is like, to the point, this is the breakdown of the nuclear family.
03:33:40.640
And this was all because we're talking about like careers and men taking a second seat to
03:33:46.700
Like, there are big banks and companies that are investing in like wine and cat food and
03:33:50.920
stuff because they know that there's going to be a bunch of us that are single.
03:33:54.200
So like what you guys are saying, your career is important.
03:33:57.880
Just don't forget that your man and your family should come before it.
03:34:03.160
Thank you so much for, for re, you know, reinstating that because I believe that we all
03:34:09.940
And I think that that's why we're becoming disengaged is because we all agree with you.
03:34:14.200
And it, there's just so much we can hear about it.
03:34:18.120
Let me, let's, let's move it along a little bit.
03:34:21.980
So when it comes to the employer dynamic, so a lot of women are trading, instead of
03:34:28.100
being submissive to a husband, they're going to be submissive to an employer.
03:34:31.680
Um, and also something that you hear, is it really worth going into this?
03:34:38.120
You hear when we kind of view money a little bit differently.
03:34:42.760
So like when women make a lot of money, they think I don't need a man.
03:34:50.200
When a man makes a lot of money, he says I can provide for my family, my wife and my
03:34:58.600
Um, really quick on the, just the paying thing, because I just wanted to add to this.
03:35:01.800
Because I would pay, I would provide for a woman if she's like, she's going to have to
03:35:14.680
But like, if I'm dating a 27 year old attorney who's making 200 K, I'm not paying for the
03:35:22.400
Also, I'm not going to pay if you're going on seven dates a week.
03:35:30.580
I don't object to dating someone who's successful or who makes money.
03:35:37.680
Like, why are you, are you, is the reason you're dating now just for, you know, casual
03:35:43.700
dating or is it because you, you know, you're looking for that lifelong partner and going
03:35:51.980
I'm not interested in one night stands or fucking someone once or twice and never talking
03:35:57.780
I've always valued having a continuity with the, the women I choose to date.
03:36:06.600
Well, monogamy, but also I don't like, I don't want to just, it doesn't interest me to
03:36:20.440
So what's your, what do you have to say about him?
03:36:23.680
You know, I, I wouldn't pay for a date because this woman.
03:36:29.660
Like, I honestly, I think Brian is just trying to smash.
03:36:35.460
You're 33 and you're single and you, you make a lot of money.
03:36:45.680
Trying to get some nookie at, you know, you're able to do this.
03:36:51.160
Well, I mean, I, I'm not just trying to have a one night stand with a girl.
03:36:58.780
You want this, you, you said that you want like an LTR, right?
03:37:03.780
Cause like the, your results in dating, like the goal, you have to determine what your goal
03:37:09.080
So for like some men, their goal in dating, which I morally disagree with, but I'm not
03:37:15.860
Like some guy's goal in dating is to just be able to have variety and to get some occasionally.
03:37:22.000
And then there's other men who want to have a wife and children.
03:37:27.800
So like, I can't tell you what I think about your, your metric and dating.
03:37:34.420
Like that's, that's what, you know, you're, you're right.
03:37:39.020
That's his right and his prerogative to not be looking for a wife.
03:37:42.860
So, I mean, I just, I, I can't, I'm looking, I, I am looking for a long-term partner, but
03:37:59.840
So, Allie, how do you feel about, um, dating someone for 10 years?
03:38:05.900
Because I, I, I'm just curious to hear what you have to say about this because, you know,
03:38:09.420
I know people that are like, if he has not asked you to marry him after three years, he,
03:38:13.760
he's not gonna, like, he, he doesn't see you as a wife.
03:38:19.960
Marriage right now sits at a rate of six per 1,000 people.
03:38:25.320
So I think it's just like the number of people, right?
03:38:27.420
So marriage is the lowest it's ever been in recorded history.
03:38:30.480
So in terms of like what I think about it, I think that you do modern dating practices,
03:38:35.980
And like, it doesn't seem like men or women are really happy with that.
03:38:39.160
At the same time, you know, are people willing to compromise and pursue traditional values
03:38:46.480
Because liberal women used to be normal in the nineties.
03:38:50.400
So it's like what, what normally happens is you have the same likelihood to break up
03:38:58.520
Um, and so if, I mean, if that's true, then yeah, you, you do have the likelihood to separate
03:39:06.980
What people are doing now is they're cohabitating longer, right?
03:39:18.320
So like when we're looking at what people are doing and the results that they're getting
03:39:22.300
cohabitation is longer and maybe you'll get married if you're one of the six per 1000.
03:39:28.160
So if you are with that man and you're cohabitating for several years, it's very, very statistically
03:39:33.400
unlikely that he's going to marry you just by the numbers.
03:39:37.980
Like if you're looking for marriage and this man's been with you like three, 10 years,
03:39:44.560
You're an exception to the rule, but that's just what's happening right now.
03:39:57.320
I, my parents, like my parents are divorced and both of their spouses have been divorced
03:40:03.700
I would like to be sure that I want to be with this person before I put a ring on it and become,
03:40:10.220
you know, I, I, I think that, you know, as if I'm in a long-term relationship with somebody,
03:40:14.420
I will be acting as a, I would be, you know, as committed to them as I would in our marriage.
03:40:22.360
But I think that, you know, dating someone for five, six, seven, eight years, like I don't,
03:40:31.920
But then that, then you're not a traditional woman.
03:40:36.740
Like, it seems like there's some things that you want with modern dating and there's some
03:40:41.800
And that is typically going to conflict in one way, shape or form.
03:40:45.180
So like, if you're going to be cohabitating, it's very likely that you're having premarital
03:40:49.120
That's another indicator that you're not traditional and it's okay if you aren't like, I didn't
03:40:53.340
have the most traditional setup that allowed me to get married, you know, but I was able
03:40:56.280
to swing a marriage, but every single statistic was against me.
03:41:00.440
I would never recommend for women to do what I did.
03:41:06.660
Because if marriage is six per 1000 and a lot of women probably want to get married, then I
03:41:11.980
But I also think that women are, we're so, we're more agreeable than men on average.
03:41:17.420
So like, I think we just suck at negotiating and being like, Hey, I would like to get married.
03:41:25.360
Because we want to keep that guy when we could have that conversation.
03:41:28.320
But are we prepared to walk if he says, no, I don't want to get married.
03:41:33.560
Like these are just different things that you have to like, I guess, consider.
03:41:37.160
I tried, I try my very best not to argue too subjectively.
03:41:40.240
And I try to give you guys like objective, objective data and stats.
03:41:43.000
So like this modern dating is, I think the sexual revolution did not help us is my point.
03:41:50.360
Never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
03:41:58.140
We should probably, I mean, it's another thing.
03:42:00.420
So when we're talking about like security and marriage, we have it as women.
03:42:03.520
Just so you guys know, the family courts are greatly in our favor.
03:42:06.900
We get more cases of alimony and we get more cases of child support.
03:42:09.880
So like a lot of the fear that we get, like you need to be really, really sure that this
03:42:13.960
is the guy, because what if you end up homeless and on the street?
03:42:26.580
And, and I think that growing up in a single family household, or I apologize, single parent
03:42:31.200
household, even if they're divorced is incredibly damaging.
03:42:37.680
So I think that we can all agree having divorced parents is not a good thing for a person growing
03:42:44.920
I mean, it's like, it puts your kid at every statistical disadvantage, like, like wildly
03:42:49.880
So it just means that we need to try harder if we're going to be in long-term relationships
03:42:53.600
for the rest of our lives, which means that like women are going to have to doing some
03:42:57.500
And that's the thing, like women don't understand how much autonomy they have over the quality
03:43:03.460
And it's like, well, what if you just like took a week or two, just changing something
03:43:08.860
Because, um, other thing too, personality differences on average between men and women were higher
03:43:18.560
We tend to be a little bit more dissatisfied in general, even the statistics between virgin
03:43:22.920
husbands and virgin brides, the virgin husbands report being happier in their marriage than
03:43:32.060
And that's why that you'll see, I mean, I don't know what other dating podcasts, like
03:43:35.140
what their goal is, but that's like the message that I preach on like my side of things.
03:43:38.880
It's like, we as women need to take charge in the femininity department and we can totally
03:43:43.800
And these traditional things that we say are like old school, they work, you know what I
03:43:50.760
I think marriage sucks for most men who get married.
03:43:53.760
Guys, get your last minute super chats in here before we wrap up the show.
03:43:56.920
Probably going to try to wrap in about 10, 15 minutes.
03:43:59.600
So guys, get your last super chats and donations in if you want to.
03:44:17.420
It's like a girl in a room, not, not the podcast one.
03:44:23.720
This is, uh, before you play it, actually, um, I'm just going to put it back center.
03:44:26.820
So this is kind of related to the whole entertainment conversation that we were having about like
03:44:31.200
women wanting dudes to be charismatic and charming and basically be entertainment on
03:44:39.620
There's Netflix for that, but okay, Eric, can you go ahead and pull it up?
03:44:42.240
Um, I met this guy, he's really, oh, can you, hold on, hold on.
03:45:10.180
He doesn't trigger my anxious trauma response, which I confuse with love.
03:45:26.740
And, you know, growing up, seeing an unhappy marriage between my parents and, you know,
03:45:35.540
having an attorney as a dad, you, you, um, sense love in different ways.
03:45:41.180
And I absolutely have had to work through, and I'm still very much so trying to work
03:45:46.040
through, um, feeling comfortable in, you know, what would be a healthy relationship.
03:45:51.920
And if a guy, you know, I, I mean, I've said to Stella, oh, he went out, but he was boring.
03:45:56.440
Like it just, it didn't, you know, we had great conversation, but I just, I didn't feel
03:46:05.300
I mean, pretty much just when the whole vibe chemistry thing, it's to me, it's just this
03:46:12.180
I mean, I often hear from girls, the guy could otherwise be perfectly pleasant, treat
03:46:22.420
And like guys, it's just very different because guys, we don't, we don't look.
03:46:29.720
Also, I think it's the vibe is something the guy brings.
03:46:34.200
That's it's, it's the guy that's lacking something that is eliciting the vibe in you, the vibe.
03:46:49.420
He's not, well, what I'll say is, is I, I bring my vibe everywhere that I go.
03:46:54.860
And if he has anything going on and it starts and we're just, if it's flowing seamlessly,
03:47:00.840
you know, if we're just talking and we can have good conversation and we, I don't have
03:47:10.260
Because we're going to run out of conversation.
03:47:13.580
If, if we are on the same wavelength, you know, intellectually, and we can have a lot of
03:47:17.600
people intellectually and we can have a solid conversation.
03:47:23.040
But I think when you're searching for the electricity, the chemistry, the vibe, the click, the butterflies,
03:47:29.160
whatever bullshit term you want to call it, this is why women fall for players.
03:47:36.460
They excite you, they tell good stories, they have charisma, but we as men, we are not
03:47:47.020
Like, we, we don't exist to make you entertained.
03:47:53.780
I think she's just talking about the fact that a guy needs to be able to hold a conversation.
03:47:57.700
Like, we're not, we're not, we're not expecting them to, we're not expecting them to do a
03:48:09.380
Would you date a guy in the oil industry in North Dakota?
03:48:16.040
Actually, that really quick, that triggers, uh, fireworks.
03:48:33.300
Would you date a guy that works in the oil industry in Dakota?
03:48:49.500
I don't want to move to North Dakota, personally.
03:48:51.940
Yeah, at this point, Forty's a little old for myself.
03:49:10.540
The critically acclaimed film by Daniel Day-Lewis?
03:49:14.580
This guy's a direct descendant of Daniel Plainview.
03:49:30.820
I think you were just trying to tell us that energy is not a real thing, and I think it
03:49:35.820
We don't, we don't need you to do, like, a whole song and dance for us, but if you can,
03:49:40.620
like she was saying, I don't need to be the one pulling the conversation the whole time.
03:49:48.880
Like, if, if I did what most women do on first dates, like, if I didn't carry the conversation,
03:49:55.320
I guaranteed that it would be awkward silence all the fucking time for most dates I go on.
03:50:01.800
No, it's just, y'all can't really carry a conversation.
03:50:04.740
I, I wish I could experience myself on a date because I can only speak for myself.
03:50:53.380
Um, personally, I go to school in Santa Barbara.
03:50:59.160
Do you visit SoCal very often, or went to school in LA?
03:51:06.060
Like, we went to IV to, like, party and shit, you know.
03:51:21.180
When you asked this woman out on a date, did you not already realize she's totally bland?
03:51:25.120
And I thought you said you were into the bland.
03:51:29.680
It's a bit, I mean, it's a little different what I'm getting at here.
03:51:35.780
I think what you're getting at is, you're saying that, why do men have to constantly carry conversation
03:51:40.600
on the first date, as well as putting the pressure of opening the car door and paying,
03:51:54.800
So I'm saying, like, apart from that, like, his point is that, you know, men are the ones
03:52:01.980
They have to carry the conversation on the first date.
03:52:06.320
So I think what Brian is trying to say is, what do women bring on a first date?
03:52:15.940
But he's saying, like, why do the men have to carry everything?
03:52:19.440
But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, is that the vibe, the click, the chemistry,
03:52:23.620
that is something that's going to be elicited by the man, typically through some conversation
03:52:29.040
or the vibe, the click, the chemistry can also be elicited if he is, say, two points
03:52:35.200
or three points higher than you in terms of attractiveness.
03:52:38.540
So a guy can elicit it by being very charismatic but being equivalent to you in looks, but
03:52:44.340
if he's also very attractive, you're more likely to feel the vibe, the click, the connection.
03:52:52.080
But the point I'm trying to say is, we're talking about, like, caring conversations.
03:52:55.740
Like, bro, if I, okay, on dating apps, for example, if I'm messaging with a girl, I
03:53:04.800
almost wish we could play this out, like, on Instagram.
03:53:06.800
If one of you were, like, messaging me, we role-played back and forth on Instagram as
03:53:10.780
if we matched on the dating app, like, I could pretty clearly show you, like, as a dude, you
03:53:18.380
But I also agree if you, you know, I'm not on any dating apps.
03:53:23.080
If I, you know, if I were, I mean, I've had people slide into my Instagram DMs, so I
03:53:29.200
If someone hits me up and they say, hey, you know, and we happen to be in the same area,
03:53:34.160
if they would like to set up a date with me or whatever, I would probably go ahead and
03:53:41.760
I wouldn't have him pick me up in that case because I don't know him.
03:53:47.860
But, like, I don't think you should be just going back and forth.
03:53:52.640
Like, I think that you should sit down and initially see if there's any attraction there.
03:53:57.900
Like, there's a physical thing that you should probably test out first.
03:54:06.960
I think that when you go on a date, there's either a connection and you guys hit it off
03:54:11.680
and you guys are both engaging in conversation and you get along really well or you don't.
03:54:16.200
And I don't think that necessarily, like, men have to carry the conversation all the time.
03:54:20.600
Like, personally, in my experience, I'm a talker.
03:54:25.120
I'm not saying it's all women, but generally speaking, I would say that most women,
03:54:30.080
if I did what most women do on a date, like, kind of be held back and silent for a bit.
03:54:39.020
Initially, if I didn't start the conversation, it would honestly just be dead silent.
03:54:44.660
If you're dating the most awkward girl ever, yeah.
03:54:47.640
Most women are just, like, bad at conversation.
03:54:50.820
You remember when we were talking about, like, you know, like, do you have to dumb yourself down, right?
03:54:56.000
Or remember when we were talking about, like, well, no, I think, like, men do like smart women.
03:55:01.820
Like, they'll be in relationships with women who provide absolutely nothing to a conversation.
03:55:08.060
And my assumption is that you guys are all in college, right?
03:55:10.640
Yeah, you're already, like, a minority of the population.
03:55:12.780
When we're talking about very regular things that happen in dating, a lot of this stuff isn't going to stick to you,
03:55:19.080
Yeah, that's not even a common, I don't even think that's a common thing that women major in.
03:55:24.460
A lot of what you say is not going to make sense when it comes to, like, modern dating, right?
03:55:30.760
So, like, most chicks, a lot of the DMs I get, and I get them from single men who are dating all the time, day in, day out.
03:55:38.020
And the guy's kind of sitting there kind of like, well, geez, like, how do I even become engaging?
03:55:43.800
I think that most girls are super bland because we have messages being sent out that's, like, guys don't care about smart girls.
03:55:52.120
But women, we should still be ambitious to a point that we want to make ourselves smarter and better people and good company and fun to be around and smart, seasoned, like, I think that all plays in.
03:56:05.160
And when we're talking about IQ, you know, I don't necessarily need to make more money than you, but I still should be smart and I should know how to carry a conversation because I think that's so much more valuable than a degree or whatever.
03:56:17.120
Most people are so dumb they can't carry a conversation, man and woman.
03:56:22.540
However, men are dating men that are typically smarter than them, right?
03:56:25.900
So it's, like, they're relying on him to be entertainment and that's a really boring and stressful experience for a man at the same time.
03:56:32.600
Like, boring in terms of he's not being intellectually stimulated at all and then it's stressful because he has to impress her.
03:56:40.960
So my point to all this is you don't understand that you're a unicorn.
03:56:45.420
If you tell me your life story, I've heard, like, enough about you already.
03:56:48.920
You are, like, a very, very, very, very, very small percentage of women.
03:56:52.920
But when you talk about dating, you give a lot of your subjective experience and there's credit to that.
03:56:58.380
But I'm telling you, like, most women suck at conversation, which is fine because most men don't care that you're smart.
03:57:06.940
You just have to be, like, beautiful, sweet, and pleasant.
03:57:14.520
And you'll probably be with a high-charging man.
03:57:15.980
And that'll be, like, a super power couple thing.
03:57:17.660
But that's just not going to be what most men and women experience.
03:57:23.540
It's just, like, I'm telling you, they suck at conversation.
03:57:29.520
I know you elaborate on every single thing you say and go and go and go.
03:57:33.080
Well, I would just imagine that I talk a lot being a podcaster, so...
03:57:42.100
Okay, so I guess really the point I'm trying to make,
03:57:46.380
and I'm going to just try to wrap this up here soon.
03:57:48.520
So along pretty much every step of the way, the guy has to initiate.
03:57:57.180
And that could manifest itself in carrying the conversations,
03:58:05.000
But, for example, you guys say you don't really approach men, right?
03:58:24.520
Are you, like, immediately, like, full-on into the conversation?
03:58:29.420
Like, you're immediately contributing to the conversation 50-50
03:58:34.860
You're probably, like, he's going to have to do most of the talking initially.
03:58:37.900
If I find him attractive, I will be totally engaged in the conversation.
03:58:49.240
The reason why I'm not talking a lot right now is because, like, you know,
03:59:00.200
If someone were to talk to me, like, immediately,
03:59:02.180
I would just jump straight into, like, straight into, like, a big convo.
03:59:09.540
it's like, yeah, because you guys already said, like,
03:59:16.900
Okay, do you message first, or does the guy message first?
03:59:26.920
More often than not, is it the guy messaging first?
03:59:35.340
So, from there, are you, like, he's probably asking you a question
03:59:43.420
Most men's experience is girls be given one-word responses.
03:59:49.080
but, like, that's the game that men have to play.
03:59:58.280
I'm given one-word responses for them to start the conversation.
04:00:07.880
but if they're not contributing to the conversation.
04:00:14.000
Like, so, for example, does the guy go for the phone number?
04:00:29.120
I understand what you're saying, because I have a brother, again.
04:00:32.180
And so, like, sorry, brother, like, if I'm going to tell a story.
04:00:40.060
Like, you know, like, he and his girl had, like, a date,
04:00:46.060
He was going to pick her up, and then she was, like...
04:00:49.100
Like, he asked for her address, and she didn't say anything.
04:00:51.540
And then the next day, he said to me, he was like,
04:00:57.280
And then, like, he was the last person who texted her.
04:00:59.680
And I was like, oh, I guess, like, send another, like, follow-up text.
04:01:06.880
And then she was like, okay, yeah, like, I was only going to go
04:01:14.500
Like, they, like, kind of wait for you to, like, yeah.
04:01:34.800
No, like, you know, like, they were, like, talking.
04:01:38.800
And, like, he asked for her address to pick her up
04:01:46.360
And then the next morning, like, the day of the date,
04:01:53.900
She was like, oh, yeah, like, I was only going to, like,
04:02:11.880
He requested her address to obviously go and pick her up.
04:02:20.840
She was only going to provide the address if he asked again.
04:02:35.320
I mean, these are the games that are being played.
04:02:38.480
This is just what I wanted to say really quick.
04:02:43.060
The guy is, you know, carrying because he has to message you first.
04:03:01.240
If a guy won't message me first, if a guy wouldn't ask for my number, if a guy wouldn't,
04:03:07.740
like, suggest the first date because, oh, it's too hard, it's too taxing, I'm obviously
04:03:12.480
not worth it to him and he's obviously not worth it to me.
04:03:14.960
And you keep using this word carrying as if it's so much.
04:03:18.680
If he won't message you first, he's not going to be...
04:03:21.200
Like, what makes you think he's going to be a provider for you?
04:03:31.700
Even a drop of you showing some mutual effort or initiative, most men will find that appealing.
04:03:41.140
Certainly, there are some, like, very masculine men that, like, no, I have to do fucking everything.
04:03:45.080
And, like, if the girl even initiates a little bit, then whatever.
04:03:48.820
But, like, most men will genuinely appreciate you showing even a modicum of effort.
04:03:56.380
When I say carrying, so carrying, not to get fucking nerdy, like, I mean, there's...
04:04:04.440
Basically, to carry someone in a video game is you are basically, they're doing jack shit
04:04:10.800
and you are basically, you're killing all the enemies and they're just sitting back.
04:04:18.300
Right, so in the same way that there's, like, group projects...
04:04:27.760
And also, a lot of men want some degree of reciprocity.
04:04:32.720
You would be surprised if you showed the same amount of effort that men put in.
04:04:46.180
There is, like, men face rejection in ways that women don't.
04:04:52.540
We're going to kind of carry that initial conversation.
04:04:59.960
If you flake, by the way, most chicks flake on dates.
04:05:03.120
And they're not going to give you 24 hours notice.
04:05:12.460
It's very easy for women to get another date like that.
04:05:16.100
Most men, most guys, if you flake on them on a Friday, you've just scorched their Friday.
04:05:26.920
Men don't really flake at the same rate that women do.
04:05:35.700
So if I've been a bit of a dickhead tonight, I have not been in a good mood.
04:05:39.420
Nine or maybe it was like, excuse me, eight women were going to be on the show.
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Obviously, I found some last minute replacements.
04:05:53.780
Like, and I'm not talking, I'm not even, professional women, 30-year-old women who are professional
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women will literally, oh, some bullshit excuse will flake an hour, two hours, three hours
04:06:06.600
before the date over the dumbest fucking reason.
04:06:10.700
Women are fickle and flaky, generally speaking.
04:06:22.560
You know, someone, you know, caused me to commit to them for that night, whatever.
04:06:27.720
My initial reaction is like, okay, that's really shitty.
04:06:32.020
I'm glad I'm not going out with this person because they're, they're a flaky person and
04:06:37.900
I'm glad that they, they, you know, avoided wasting my time more than they already have.
04:06:47.420
I mean, but what if it could have otherwise worked out?
04:06:52.420
A lot of times girls get kind of cold feet and, you know, so it could have otherwise
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And then also it's just like, it doesn't undo the fact that my Friday night that I could
04:07:01.680
have planned with someone else is just scorched.
04:07:04.120
Women, you guys, any of you could probably download Tinder tonight and fuck a dude tonight.
04:07:12.380
So, uh, to, to bring it back to carrying though, you mentioned, oh, it's just, it's just texting
04:07:18.940
every single step along the way, men have to do it.
04:07:23.180
So asking for the date, getting the number, planning the date, showing up to the date,
04:07:28.020
opening car doors, carrying the conversation on the date, uh, paying for the date, trying
04:07:35.540
If he can move it forward, Hey, let's go back to my place.
04:07:39.140
Most girls aren't going to say, yo, let's go back to your place.
04:07:42.240
The guy's going to have to take the initiative there.
04:07:44.440
Keep in mind that each of these incremental steps, that's another opportunity for rejection.
04:07:49.020
Uh, so there's always men have like hundreds of steps along the way from getting you from
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Totally tons of, uh, rejection points that really don't exist in women because they don't
04:08:06.200
So, okay, let's say you go back to his place, then he's going to have to move things forward
04:08:12.500
He's definitely going to have to go for the first kiss.
04:08:16.460
Then he's going to, okay, how's he going to, you know, there's a lot of logistical things
04:08:23.380
I, I, so in my experience, I, I think about it like, sure.
04:08:28.400
It's not just that the man is thinking about it.
04:08:34.800
But what the point I want to make is thinking about wanting, you have to, you have to take
04:08:44.040
How feminine would it be if, if I was, you know, making all these steps and doing all,
04:08:54.780
I understand you want, you know, reciprocation and conversation.
04:09:00.320
But you know, I, I, I want to be more feminine because I understand I can be masculine and
04:09:06.300
I can do that on my own and I'm trying to work on that.
04:09:10.360
I think like, I think it just is that women don't care how hard men have to work to garner
04:09:18.020
our attention, to garner relationships with us.
04:09:20.600
I think at the end of the day, like, we just don't care.
04:09:23.760
And I think that that is something that people are just unwilling to admit.
04:09:27.140
And I mean, it's, it's completely okay to say out loud, like, I don't care how hard
04:09:30.700
he worked for this is just, did you complete the mission or not?
04:09:36.120
And that's why men need to be talking to other men about how to approach relationships with
04:09:40.400
Like, what are you, what are you really going to learn from a woman about like, you know what
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I mean, we're just like, we don't even really know.
04:09:51.800
Like if a girl was perhaps really overt in these ways, we might deem it to be more masculine.
04:09:57.460
And yes, so I guess what I'm trying to say is it's not so much that we're necessarily
04:10:02.040
like, it's not so much that we necessarily, well, first off, we can't, we can't expect women
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to take, to make the first move because frankly they don't, if I waited, if, if every girl
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that I've ever kissed, I waited for her to make the kiss, to do the first kiss, it would
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And she would have either been like, this guy's a pussy.
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She would have lost interest because why is he not making the first move?
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Or it would have, honestly, she would have finally made the move.
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Or three, four dates down the line, more likely than not though, if I, if I didn't make the
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Be like, he's just not interested or he's a coward.
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So it's not so much like, Hey, you need to be a mirror image of ourselves, but I'm just
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And, and, and, and just, and I think this is, you know, I thought you wanted to.
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And I thought women should be submissive to be in a healthy relationship that works
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And I mean, that doesn't really need to be answered because I understand life's not
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perfect and, and there's good parts to being a man.
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There's negative parts to being a man and the same with women.
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But I just, I think that that's a little unfair to say like, Oh, well, women don't do
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When we do, we're called forward and masculine and unfeminine.
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And I think, I mean, I certainly think that there's a way that you can go about it in
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So, I mean, you can make these sort of moves in feminine ways.
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I mean, it's called, it's like feminine assertion.
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There's a lot of women, a lot of women suck at game.
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That's why your best bet is to just be like pretty polite and sweet, you know, and caring.
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Like, we're just not that good at it these days because we have to appeal to the small
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pool of men that we've never really had to compete with before.
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So, um, like I made the first move with my husband.
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I kissed him first, but I immediately let him lead, you know?
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So you're talking about feminine assertion, but that's not a concept most women are going
04:12:15.620
Well, I, like I've been trying to teach you guys all night and honestly, you guys have just
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been incredibly rude, like in many ways, like I'm not from Cali, you know, I'm from the
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But when I tell you guys things, it's always, well, my experience, or I know somebody like
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So like you want me to teach you guys, but you're not very receptive.
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The question is just then why are we on a podcast?
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But if we're here to have a conversation, I'd like to add to the conversation.
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So, so there's adding and then there's being snarky.
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I think that that's also something that you're guilty of as well.
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Would everyone agree with me here that Allie has also been snarky from the get?
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I think I've been a little snarky a couple of times.
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Like there's, there's being disagreeable and then there's just being rude.
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And it's just, I don't know what it is with like this place, California.
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This is like not how people have civilized conversations with one another.
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You will see me get like frustrated and a little bit assertive.
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And it's because like I am a woman and I can tell when you're being rude to me.
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Brian might not get it, but I can because I'm a girl.
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I understand that you're trying to like give your two cents and I'm always open to listen
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and I'm open for constructive criticism, but you're here like pointing fingers and it's
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I've just been throwing out like numbers and stuff like that.
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We're here to talk and share our experience and what we have to share.
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So again, if you had a masterclass, I would totally listen to that.
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I'd love to hear what you have to say, but what would you like us to say?
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You know, I don't want to sit here and just shit on women.
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I know, but there's just, there's some hope for the world and it did not, you know, I
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said, this is the first thing I said to you as it felt condescending.
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I so respect you and I think you're super smart.
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So, but it doesn't feel like we're having a conversation.
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It feels like you're talking at women and about women and it's like, damn, like I agree
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and all I can do is be a better person and act better and I feel I have.
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I wanted it to be a civil, cordial conversation.
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And I think we're also allowed to talk about our personal experiences.
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We don't have to be talking about a general topic the entire time.
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I just, if I've been, I've been a little, I don't know, I've been a little spicy tonight.
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It was a nightmare coordinating this before the show.
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I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
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So it's like, here's the thing is I've like made objective points, right?
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And I say these things and I give you the numbers again, happy to give them to you guys
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And I make these broad conclusions about how dating is going for most women and sometimes
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But I've mentioned things about IQ and then you turned around and flipped it and said,
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Like me giving data and statistics, it might be boring and maybe, honestly, maybe it's like
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not particularly fun, but it's not a knock on you guys.
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These are just things that are, I'm not trying to knock anybody, but a lot of the times when
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I give women facts, they emotionalize it and personalize it.
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And I think that that's how we communicate, but I can't get the truth out there to women
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if I alter it so that they can hear it completely.
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And I've actually altered my language like quite a bit.
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Um, so I think that's, that's really just, uh, that I think that's really just what's
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going on is like, I would just take what I say at face value.
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You know, if I, if I was wanting to be like mean or a brat, it would be a lot different.
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Like I add homonyms, like that's what would happen.
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But if I'm just saying something, it can be jarring.
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But can we just look past that at the words that I'm articulating?
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I might actually pay for Sophia on the first date.
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You're going to, you're rejecting the marriage proposal?
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We have one video to react to and then we're going to wrap.
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I'm going to, Stella, I'm going to have you read this one.
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She got spice and needs a man to match her energy.
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How about you ditch Dylan and get with a villain?
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I can make you a whole lot more wet than your firefighter boy.
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He owns like 30 Burger Kings in North Carolina.
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These girls are not the typical girls I see on the podcast, especially at their age.
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They actually agree with most of what you're saying.
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A lot of the arguments that apply to most women haven't applied to them.
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Take things personally and move goalposts like pros.
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Nobody is talking about you personally, Brian and Allie.
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Or Brian and Allie are taking stats and all of you instantly get defensive.
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We're going to react to the last video, then we're going to wrap.
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Sophia's the most gorgeous girl on all the panel you've had.
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Bring her again, and please, Sophia, don't make an OnlyFans.
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I wanted to hear more about, well, perhaps if you're down for round two, I wanted to hear
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more about your thoughts on fuckboys and you being very single, but alas, we had quite
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Just wait until it comes up in the stream yard.
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By the way, thank you to everyone who became members.
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Eric, did you, you pulled up when people like became members, yeah?
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I remember my million times when he was listening.
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I do listen to Tucker Carlson for whoever said that.
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As the saying goes, you don't ask the fish how to catch fish.
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Question for Allie, if you married for love, what you gonna do when the old geezer kicks
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I mean, I don't know if, like, the goal is to get a rise out of me, right?
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Because if my husband died, I would mourn his death like a normal human being because
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Also, my husband is a forward-projecting man who takes excellent care of me, so there
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I can't give you a better answer than that, and I'm sure that my husband is probably
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This is a $49.99 super chat about my husband dying.
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By the way, Mike Davis is our resident roaster.
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Does it, like, does him owning Burger Kings change anything?
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Like, even if he owns Burger Kings, he just sent a $49.99 donation to the platform, right?
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We have a photo of him and his Burger King in one of his establishments.
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Okay, like, maybe, like, a woman can have, like, really easily, but to actually date and
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to find a man that's going to commit to you and do all those things is extremely hard.
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Versus if you're a good man, and, like, the standards for a good man are the bare minimum,
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For a woman to find a boyfriend, it's like, oh my god.
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If you're, like, a guy, like, you have a little bit of game, right?
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Like, you get a girl on a date, like, girls are so easy to please.
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Like, if you're just nice and, like, buy dinner, like, I feel like you're good to go,
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And, like, if she likes you, if she likes you, then it's, like, that's one caveat.
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It's because girls say what they want is a guy to, like, bring her flowers, like, do all
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this stuff for her, but I swear, when a guy does that to a girl, she won't...
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She, like, might very well, like, might be, like, turned off from it.
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Um, it's just, like, it's just, like, again, the conversation about, like, oh, men and women,
04:24:19.100
Okay, so she said, she said, let me prompt it a little bit.
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She said that as a guy, if you're a good guy and you're just nice and you buy dinner,
04:24:38.740
If you meet the girl's standards, yes, and you're, you're nice.
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But she's saying, like, that's as if she's, like, the standards are so low for men.
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Are you gonna, I mean, I, I think you need, I don't know, you need to have a good personality
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You need to, you can't, I don't know, just because you buy me dinner doesn't mean I'm
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I don't have to, I'm not interested in every nice guy, you know what I mean?
04:25:08.820
But she's saying it's really easy for guys to get girlfriends.
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I'm just, I think she was saying that there's not very many things that you need to do to
04:25:16.940
Like, what she's saying, you, she, um, a guy's opening a door for her, is that very
04:25:26.020
So I, I actually, I totally disagree with this TikTok girl.
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Um, I think that, uh, uh, woman of high value, it's, it takes a lot more than just going
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It takes, it takes everything for me to like really want to be with a person and spend time
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So no, you're not going to get a girlfriend just because you buy them dinner.
04:25:49.040
But, but she's saying it's easy for guys to just get a girlfriend.
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Am I elaborating on like the, some guys will get a girl with flowers and she won't care
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No, the main, the main thing is, is she says, whereas it's very easy for, it's maybe hard
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for men to get sex or it's easy for women to get sex.
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Oh, I want a nice guy, but then someone's too nice.
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I just think girls are so like, like down to like love somebody.
04:27:02.660
Wait, Eric, can you pull up the, uh, that, that cartoon, the comic photo it's related to
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this, so this is, I mean, this is kind of the encapsulation.
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I think in the dating marketplace, she doesn't want any of those ones.
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She wants the one that doesn't want her, but here's how the guy one looks.
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The guy is sitting there saying, I'm so lonely and there's nobody at the door.
04:27:47.420
No, I'm just, I'm, I'm asking, I just to clarify you.
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You said, but you said before that it's easy for a guy to get a girlfriend.
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I'm not saying like the bare minimum, like gets you, I mean, like, I don't know.
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You just rejected my marriage proposal, by the way.
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One thing on the providing thing that I just want to add to this, like I'm making enough
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money that like my partner, like I prepared to provide for her.
04:28:32.900
But would you be interested in an unemployed woman who's, well, I guess, okay.
04:28:46.660
Doesn't add anything to the table, but super fertile.
04:28:53.540
I'm not sure if I'm trying to have kids at this moment, but it's, again, it's not like
04:28:59.980
if a girl is ambitious or she's successful, it's not a deal breaker for me.
04:29:03.960
I'm not saying like I necessarily want a girl that's just sitting around the house like
04:29:08.840
But it wouldn't necessarily be a deal breaker in the same way that it's not necessarily
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a deal breaker if a woman's like very successful.
04:29:25.500
But you guys can like, can you take her test for her?
04:29:43.260
I don't think it's very easy for a man to get a girlfriend.
04:29:51.520
You know, single people give a lot of opinions online and remain single.
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Does anyone have any final thoughts here before I wrap up?
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All right, expect a DM from Hector after the show.
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I will do a round three with Bangs at some point.
04:31:40.860
I'm going to have to set up something in the stream labs
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I'm trying to bring it back down to three hours.
04:32:40.280
Your little sissy boy can show you a fire station.
04:33:22.320
Does the whole like him owning 40 Burger Kings in North Carolina change anything?
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When I was younger, I wasn't allowed to eat at Burger King because Nabisco owns them.
04:33:35.680
Something about how they moved their main corporates to somewhere else so they didn't have to pay as many taxes.
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I guess if you keep the soup chats going, we continue the show.
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Men have a rough time in dating and social media expectations about what dating is and what
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a man is supposed to do, make it super difficult to fulfill the fantasies of women these days.
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In World War I, the bad guy is a bit more ambiguous.
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