Whatever Podcast - Dating Talk #61

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00:04:09.900 Without further ado, after that rather long-winded and butchered introduction, I'm going to have

00:04:15.900 the guests introduce themselves.

00:04:17.900 So please, tell us your name, age, and occupation.

00:04:20.900 Go ahead.

00:04:21.900 My name is Kiko.

00:04:22.900 I'm 23.

00:04:23.900 I'm a bartender and I go to UCSB studying sociology and education.

00:04:28.900 I'm Fiona.

00:04:29.900 I'm 22.

00:04:30.900 I'm unemployed.

00:04:31.900 And I'm a writer.

00:04:33.900 Yeah, I thought you would-

00:04:34.900 But I don't have a real job.

00:04:35.900 Let's be real.

00:04:36.900 Yeah, you're in Hollywood, right?

00:04:37.900 Yeah.

00:04:38.900 Trying to be a writer.

00:04:39.900 Okay.

00:04:40.900 I'm Sam.

00:04:41.900 I'm 19.

00:04:42.900 And I'm a student at SBCC.

00:04:44.900 What do you study?

00:04:45.900 Film.

00:04:46.900 Film.

00:04:47.900 Okay.

00:04:48.900 I'm Tatum.

00:04:49.900 I'm 18.

00:04:50.900 I go to CC and I'm doing general ed.

00:04:53.900 I'm Margarita.

00:04:54.900 I have a rock band and I'm 33.

00:04:57.900 What's the name of your band?

00:04:58.900 It's called Edge of Paradise.

00:05:00.900 Okay.

00:05:01.900 Very cool.

00:05:02.900 Thank you.

00:05:03.900 I'm Victoria.

00:05:04.900 I'm 20.

00:05:05.900 I study in Minerva University in San Francisco.

00:05:07.900 I study business finance.

00:05:09.900 All right.

00:05:10.900 And I'm Michael.

00:05:12.900 I'm 32.

00:05:13.900 I'm a genocidal maniac according to the newspapers.

00:05:16.900 But in my real life, I host a podcast and write books.

00:05:21.900 Did you bring the books, by the way?

00:05:23.900 Oh.

00:05:24.900 By chance.

00:05:25.900 Did we have books?

00:05:26.900 The chocolate, by the way, is there?

00:05:28.900 The chocolate.

00:05:29.900 We sold something like 20 tons of chocolate.

00:05:31.900 Wow.

00:05:32.900 That's not chocolate.

00:05:33.900 And I don't know that we have a single drop.

00:05:34.900 He's also Willy Wonka.

00:05:35.900 Do we get a signed copy of a book?

00:05:36.900 Yeah.

00:05:37.900 I want one.

00:05:38.900 Mr. Davies, can you go to Barnes and Noble or something and get us 10 copies?

00:05:41.900 Wait, right now.

00:05:42.900 Yeah, right now.

00:05:43.900 Yes!

00:05:44.900 We came here totally empty handed and that's so long.

00:05:46.900 It's all good.

00:05:47.900 So rude of us.

00:05:48.900 Well, Michael, you kind of undersell yourself a little bit because you're also an actor.

00:05:53.900 Well, I think you mentioned author.

00:05:55.900 But you're also a rap critic and a music critic.

00:05:58.900 Mm-hmm.

00:05:59.900 That's true.

00:06:00.900 I'm known for my spicy hip hop digs.

00:06:02.900 So if you guys have any questions about popular music or like Zoom or culture or anything,

00:06:06.900 I'm pretty much an expert.

00:06:07.900 He's an expert.

00:06:08.900 Yeah.

00:06:09.900 And are you able to disclose your alma mater, alma mater?

00:06:13.900 Well, I guess I could.

00:06:15.900 I graduated from Yale, but I think now Yale is going to sue me if I claim that.

00:06:21.900 Oh.

00:06:22.900 I think they're going to basically, you know, deprive me of my diploma.

00:06:25.900 Certainly by the end of this podcast.

00:06:26.900 Okay.

00:06:27.900 All right.

00:06:28.900 So...

00:06:29.900 We'll see how spicy it gets.

00:06:30.900 You went to Yale, but you didn't go to Yale.

00:06:31.900 Yeah.

00:06:32.900 Okay.

00:06:33.900 I say I went to Yale.

00:06:34.900 I think they would deny that entirely.

00:06:35.900 Got it.

00:06:36.900 Got it.

00:06:37.900 Okay.

00:06:38.900 So we're going to go around the table once more.

00:06:39.900 Current relationship status.

00:06:41.900 So single, situationship, relationship, and longest relationship.

00:06:46.900 Go ahead.

00:06:47.900 Yeah.

00:06:48.900 I have a boyfriend and my longest relationship was like two and a half years.

00:06:52.900 I'm single.

00:06:53.900 My longest relationship was like a year and a half in college.

00:06:57.900 Okay.

00:06:58.900 I'm single and my longest relationship was about two years.

00:07:02.900 I'm single and I'm still single.

00:07:06.900 I'm engaged and my longest been about 10 years.

00:07:11.900 Victoria, before you go, can I have you scoot the microphone that way?

00:07:15.900 You.

00:07:16.900 Can I have you scoot the microphone that way?

00:07:18.900 Yeah.

00:07:19.900 There you go.

00:07:20.900 This is Margarita.

00:07:21.900 Margarita.

00:07:22.900 This is Margarita.

00:07:23.900 No, I said before Victoria over here.

00:07:24.900 Oh.

00:07:25.900 Yeah.

00:07:26.900 And Tatum, can you pull your microphone a little bit closer to you?

00:07:29.900 Thank you.

00:07:30.900 Also, we should have done this before the show.

00:07:32.900 Eric, can you grab a seat booster for Sam here?

00:07:36.900 Yeah.

00:07:37.900 Because Sam is, what, you're 5'4"?

00:07:39.900 Yeah, I'm average height.

00:07:41.900 The microphone's kind of blocking you a little bit.

00:07:43.900 Okay.

00:07:44.900 Victoria.

00:07:45.900 I'm single and I've never been in an official relationship, so.

00:07:49.900 You said your longest relationship was how long?

00:07:51.900 It was like, I was seeing the guy for three months, but it was not like an official relationship.

00:07:57.900 Okay.

00:07:58.900 And Michael?

00:07:59.900 I'm married and I met my wife when we were 10 years old.

00:08:04.900 And, but it's a complicated history because we, she had a crush on me in the 8th grade,

00:08:09.900 but I was dating the lead of the middle school play.

00:08:11.900 And then I had a crush on her in 9th grade, but she was dating an upperclassman,

00:08:15.900 which was very scandalous, I thought.

00:08:17.900 And then we dated in high school, split for college, got together at the end of college.

00:08:21.900 Now we're married and have two children.

00:08:23.900 Wow.

00:08:24.900 Yeah.

00:08:25.900 That was an enthusiast.

00:08:27.900 Wow there.

00:08:28.900 This doesn't seem like a really pro-marriage crowd.

00:08:31.900 I don't, from that reaction.

00:08:32.900 Wait, is that like 100% true?

00:08:34.900 Yeah.

00:08:35.900 Yeah, I wouldn't lie.

00:08:36.900 Oh, it's, I don't know.

00:08:37.900 I thought you were being sarcastic.

00:08:38.900 You were talking a story.

00:08:39.900 No, that's real.

00:08:40.900 That's real.

00:08:41.900 That really, that happened.

00:08:42.900 Good talk!

00:08:43.900 Yes!

00:08:44.900 Let's go!

00:08:45.900 You're very like romantic.

00:08:46.900 Woo!

00:08:47.900 Sorry.

00:08:48.900 I thought you were being like a jokester and just fucking with that.

00:08:49.900 Yeah, same.

00:08:50.900 No, that ain't real.

00:08:51.900 That can happen.

00:08:52.900 Okay, actually, I don't know what's real.

00:08:53.900 I'm used to being lied to.

00:08:54.900 I believe in love again.

00:08:55.900 Whoa!

00:08:56.900 Wait, you're used to being lied to.

00:08:57.900 Yes.

00:08:58.900 Can you go into that a little bit?

00:08:59.900 Oh, no, just a lot of people like to lie, so I don't know like what to trust and like

00:09:02.900 what to trust.

00:09:03.900 That's true.

00:09:04.900 But are you talking in like a romantic context?

00:09:06.900 A lot of people lie to you?

00:09:07.900 No, just like in every sense.

00:09:08.900 I feel like people lie a lot, so it's hard to tell.

00:09:10.900 Like you go to the grocery store, everybody is lying to you.

00:09:12.900 Majority.

00:09:13.900 What?

00:09:14.900 That's tough.

00:09:15.900 They're like, there's no eggs in.

00:09:17.900 And I'm like, there's eggs in the back.

00:09:18.900 I don't know there, so they're lying.

00:09:20.900 That happens to me at Trader Joe's.

00:09:22.900 I asked for the Persian cucumbers and they don't check.

00:09:25.900 They're like, yeah, avocados don't lie.

00:09:27.900 They say they do, but they don't.

00:09:28.900 They never, never do.

00:09:30.900 Okay.

00:09:31.900 Great.

00:09:32.900 So we got everyone's relationship status.

00:09:34.900 So almost everyone here, with the exception of you and Michael, you guys are all returning.

00:09:39.900 Kiko, this is your, I think, fifth or sixth appearance.

00:09:41.900 You guys, this is your second.

00:09:43.900 Victoria, your third.

00:09:44.900 So just for you guys coming back now, has anything changed since your last appearance?

00:09:52.900 I believe that was about three weeks ago.

00:09:54.900 You guys were last on.

00:09:55.900 Any new love interests or?

00:09:57.900 I mean, there's always new love interests.

00:09:59.900 No, I haven't.

00:10:02.900 Like, I mean, there's some guys, but no, nothing new.

00:10:04.900 Some guys.

00:10:05.900 What do you mean?

00:10:06.900 Like, obviously there's people I see and I'm like, oh, wow, maybe there's a potential,

00:10:09.900 but no, there's nothing.

00:10:12.900 Okay.

00:10:13.900 Nothing for me.

00:10:14.900 Because last time you were on, you mentioned that there was one guy.

00:10:17.900 That I'm talking to.

00:10:18.900 Is that Dunzo?

00:10:19.900 No, we're still talking.

00:10:21.900 Still?

00:10:22.900 Oh, go ahead, Michael.

00:10:24.900 When you say you're talking, you know, I'm a very old man.

00:10:28.900 Yeah.

00:10:29.900 I'm a millennial.

00:10:30.900 I'm not totally up to date.

00:10:31.900 Oh, millennials, yeah.

00:10:32.900 Basically, I'm like the boomer of the Zoomers.

00:10:36.900 Talking means more than talking.

00:10:40.900 Like in what sense?

00:10:41.900 More than speaking to one another across a table as we are now.

00:10:45.900 More than literally talking.

00:10:46.900 Yeah.

00:10:47.900 I mean, that's basically what we do is just talk and hang out.

00:10:51.900 Okay.

00:10:52.900 So it's literally you're just, but you're in a way where you have affection for one another.

00:10:55.900 Yeah.

00:10:56.900 Okay.

00:10:57.900 But you're not dating.

00:10:58.900 No.

00:10:59.900 But you might date.

00:11:00.900 Sure.

00:11:01.900 Yeah.

00:11:02.900 Okay.

00:11:03.900 Are you guys hooking up?

00:11:04.900 No.

00:11:05.900 Oh, that's good.

00:11:06.900 That's very virtuous.

00:11:07.900 Stop the cap.

00:11:08.900 I'm not lying.

00:11:09.900 All right.

00:11:10.900 That's good.

00:11:11.900 I'm not lying, but you're not hooking up.

00:11:12.900 I think he's scared of you.

00:11:13.900 Probably.

00:11:14.900 Scared?

00:11:15.900 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:11:16.900 I think you think I'm lying, but I'm not.

00:11:17.900 I think these days, how old are you?

00:11:19.900 Sorry.

00:11:20.900 I'm 19.

00:11:21.900 And he's your age?

00:11:22.900 Yeah, he is my age.

00:11:24.900 I feel like these days, like younger guys, they're afraid to make the first move.

00:11:28.900 Yeah, that's true.

00:11:29.900 I can see that.

00:11:31.900 But I mean, if I wanted to make a move, I would make a move.

00:11:34.900 I don't.

00:11:35.900 So does he want to do more?

00:11:37.900 And you've said no?

00:11:38.900 You've pumped the brakes?

00:11:39.900 Or?

00:11:40.900 I mean, we've talked about it, but it's not like we're both enthusiastic for it.

00:11:45.900 I mean, I don't really care for that right now.

00:11:46.900 I just, it's not like...

00:11:47.900 For what?

00:11:48.900 To hook up?

00:11:49.900 Yeah, to hook up.

00:11:50.900 All right.

00:11:51.900 That's good.

00:11:52.900 That's good.

00:11:53.900 Man, that's awesome.

00:11:54.900 I was under the impression that now, because of like all of talking culture, that everyone

00:11:58.900 just hooks up and it's all ambiguous and no one's ever officially dating and it's all

00:12:02.900 kind of...

00:12:03.900 There's a lot of that.

00:12:04.900 There is.

00:12:05.900 You're just not doing it.

00:12:06.900 I just hate it.

00:12:07.900 Oh, yeah.

00:12:08.900 That's great.

00:12:09.900 I think it's stupid.

00:12:10.900 Allegedly.

00:12:11.900 It's stupid.

00:12:12.900 I'm a hopeless romantic, Brian.

00:12:13.900 Get it through your brain.

00:12:14.900 I want romance, but I just, I'm busy with school and getting my stuff straight first.

00:12:18.900 Okay.

00:12:19.900 So, everyone else said they were single pretty well except you.

00:12:25.900 So, kind of in line with Michael's question, what does talking or being single actually

00:12:30.900 mean?

00:12:31.900 So, you said you were single.

00:12:32.900 So, there's no guy in the picture at all.

00:12:34.900 Okay.

00:12:35.900 No, single I just mean I'm not like officially dating someone.

00:12:36.900 Officially.

00:12:37.900 Yeah.

00:12:38.900 Okay.

00:12:39.900 So, but you are seeing somebody.

00:12:40.900 I'm like dating around.

00:12:41.900 Yeah.

00:12:42.900 Can you kind of...

00:12:43.900 Okay.

00:12:44.900 So, since I've been on the podcast, I've gone on a couple dates.

00:12:46.900 Okay.

00:12:47.900 And then I have also been seeing some other people.

00:12:56.900 Can you be a bit more specific?

00:12:59.900 That's so vague.

00:13:00.900 Like there is, I am hooking up with a guy at the moment, but then I'm also have been

00:13:07.380 going on other dates for people that might be a more better match long term.

00:13:14.820 So, you're hooking up with just one guy?

00:13:17.260 Mm-hmm.

00:13:18.260 So, not multiple guys?

00:13:19.260 Mm-mm.

00:13:20.260 But he's like the backup because you're more interested in these other guys that you're

00:13:23.260 going on dinner dates with.

00:13:24.260 It's not that I'm more interested.

00:13:25.260 It's just that I feel like there's more of a relationship connection that could be there

00:13:30.260 on the like dates that I'm going on.

00:13:32.260 You know, it's more of like dinner dates that I could see like we have more in common

00:13:37.260 in career and stuff like that.

00:13:39.260 Whereas this other guy I'm seeing...

00:13:40.260 Just like a booty call?

00:13:41.260 I'm just...

00:13:42.260 He's not a booty call.

00:13:43.260 I'm just very attracted to him.

00:13:44.260 Mm-mm.

00:13:45.260 Hmm.

00:13:46.260 Maybe he'll listen to this conversation and step up his game.

00:13:49.260 I hope not.

00:13:50.260 Well, especially if he's the only guy that you're sort of seeing in this way, then he'll

00:13:54.260 definitely know you're talking about him.

00:13:55.260 But so then why is he not long-term relationship potential?

00:13:59.260 Because I don't think he's ready for that.

00:14:02.260 He doesn't want it?

00:14:03.260 I don't think so.

00:14:04.260 Okay.

00:14:05.260 But you do.

00:14:06.260 No.

00:14:07.260 Not with him.

00:14:08.260 Oh, you don't want it?

00:14:09.260 Okay.

00:14:10.260 I mean, I do.

00:14:11.260 I would like a relationship in some way, but I know in my...

00:14:12.260 Like I wouldn't want it with him.

00:14:13.260 Not with him.

00:14:14.260 Even though you're very attracted to him.

00:14:15.260 Yeah, but I just know he's at a point in his life where he's not ready for a relationship.

00:14:18.260 Like he should be alone.

00:14:19.260 He has like inner work to do.

00:14:20.260 I probably have inner work to do too.

00:14:22.260 Yeah.

00:14:23.260 Yeah.

00:14:24.260 Can't you do that work though together?

00:14:26.260 Well, he did also get out of a relationship.

00:14:28.260 Oh.

00:14:29.260 Really.

00:14:30.260 Oh, wow.

00:14:31.260 Wow.

00:14:32.260 Thank you, Martin.

00:14:33.260 Was it my comment last part you were on about the tongue acrobatics that destroyed

00:14:38.260 your situation ship?

00:14:39.260 I'm not sorry for ruining you forever.

00:14:42.260 Okay.

00:14:43.260 Hey, Martin.

00:14:44.260 By the way, that is Marquise Martin, a Mensa member.

00:14:50.260 We call him Mensa Martin.

00:14:51.260 And he also, he owns about a dozen Quiznos, Sam, on the East Coast.

00:14:57.260 Didn't you say he owns something else?

00:14:59.260 I swear.

00:15:00.260 I think that was a different donator.

00:15:02.260 Mm-hmm.

00:15:03.260 Mike Davis owns the Burger Kings.

00:15:05.260 I forgot.

00:15:06.260 I think Cheeks owns the Arby's.

00:15:08.260 Yeah.

00:15:09.260 And Martin owns the Quiznos.

00:15:10.260 That was it.

00:15:11.260 It was Cheeks.

00:15:12.260 Cheeks.

00:15:13.260 Cheeks is the Arby's guy.

00:15:14.260 I was obsessed with you.

00:15:15.260 Martin is the Quiznos guy who's-

00:15:17.260 Okay.

00:15:18.260 He's gonna single-handedly re-spark that franchise.

00:15:21.260 I didn't know it still existed.

00:15:24.260 Is it?

00:15:25.260 Maybe he's the holdout.

00:15:26.260 I think he's the last holdout.

00:15:27.260 Yeah, that's great.

00:15:28.260 Quiznos is a great sandwich out.

00:15:29.260 I hope he-

00:15:30.260 In Texas, they have him a lot.

00:15:32.260 I believe.

00:15:33.260 So, Martin, by the way, thank you so much for that big $200 TTS.

00:15:38.260 Thank you, man.

00:15:39.260 Tatum, while your sister here was telling us the story, you were kind of smiling or making

00:15:47.260 a face.

00:15:48.260 So, do you have some secrets you want to reveal?

00:15:52.260 No secrets.

00:15:53.260 I don't share my sister's secrets.

00:15:55.260 So, you are confirming, though, that secrets exist?

00:15:58.260 In general.

00:15:59.260 In general.

00:16:00.260 In general.

00:16:01.260 In general.

00:16:02.260 Okay.

00:16:03.260 You don't know everything about us, Brian.

00:16:05.260 Do you want-

00:16:06.260 Sadly.

00:16:07.260 Unfortunately.

00:16:08.260 Yeah.

00:16:09.260 I'm hoping to expand my understanding, but-

00:16:10.260 So, can you just spill the beans?

00:16:12.260 What were you smiling about?

00:16:14.260 No, it's just funny.

00:16:15.260 Okay.

00:16:16.260 Because, like, you guys don't know him, and I know him.

00:16:19.260 Oh.

00:16:20.260 So, what do you think about him?

00:16:21.260 She's right.

00:16:22.260 He's not boyfriend material.

00:16:23.260 Yeah, he's not boyfriend material.

00:16:24.260 But he's just a disaster.

00:16:26.260 He's like a mess.

00:16:27.260 No.

00:16:28.260 He's nice.

00:16:29.260 Is he hot?

00:16:30.260 In my opinion, no.

00:16:31.260 He's nice.

00:16:32.260 No.

00:16:33.260 He's not hot.

00:16:34.260 Then what makes him not a boyfriend material?

00:16:35.260 He's attractive.

00:16:36.260 I can see why she thinks he's attractive.

00:16:37.260 Oh.

00:16:38.260 She just has high standards.

00:16:39.260 She has a different type.

00:16:40.260 We've already been through that.

00:16:41.260 I said things already.

00:16:42.260 Yes.

00:16:43.260 High standards.

00:16:44.260 We need to talk about the high standards again.

00:16:45.260 He's attractive.

00:16:46.260 Just not if you have high standards, is that?

00:16:47.260 That seems really mean to me.

00:16:48.260 I know.

00:16:49.260 We have a different type.

00:16:50.260 Yeah.

00:16:51.260 Well, what is a high standard here?

00:16:52.260 Like, what is the definition of high standards?

00:16:54.260 For me?

00:16:55.260 Just generally, yeah.

00:16:56.260 Like, what you're talking about.

00:16:57.260 Like, looks.

00:16:58.260 Oh.

00:16:59.260 So, he's not attractive enough, but attractive enough to sleep with.

00:17:03.260 I mean, I think he's useful for her.

00:17:05.260 I am attractive.

00:17:06.260 We just have different types.

00:17:07.260 We have all different types.

00:17:08.260 All of us have different types.

00:17:09.260 I mean, I'm more general.

00:17:11.260 Yeah.

00:17:12.260 Your type is general.

00:17:13.260 Yeah, like, either way.

00:17:14.260 I feel like I could like people from different areas.

00:17:17.260 From different areas.

00:17:18.260 From different groups.

00:17:19.260 One person from Idaho, another person from San Diego.

00:17:23.260 Yeah.

00:17:24.260 So, then for you two, you guys have very specific types.

00:17:29.260 Mm-hmm.

00:17:30.260 They do.

00:17:31.260 Pretty much, yeah.

00:17:32.260 What are the specific types that you guys have?

00:17:35.260 Sam, do you want to say it?

00:17:36.260 I feel like hers would be more, not like skater boys, but like, probably someone who's very

00:17:41.260 tall.

00:17:42.260 Scary?

00:17:43.260 Skater.

00:17:44.260 Oh, skater boys.

00:17:45.260 Okay.

00:17:46.260 Someone who's very tall, can dress well.

00:17:47.260 Skater boys dress well?

00:17:48.260 Darker hair.

00:17:49.260 Well, within.

00:17:50.260 Okay.

00:17:51.260 Darker hair.

00:17:52.260 Definitely not blondes.

00:17:53.260 Mm-hmm.

00:17:54.260 What's wrong with blondes?

00:17:56.260 I don't know.

00:17:57.260 She just doesn't look them.

00:17:58.260 There's nothing wrong with them.

00:17:59.260 I just like, have never really found myself attracted to a blonde.

00:18:02.260 And for her, she's probably more like beach boys.

00:18:04.260 Sorry, Ben.

00:18:05.260 Wait, are you blonde?

00:18:06.260 I mean, I'm adorable.

00:18:07.260 Okay.

00:18:08.260 All right.

00:18:09.260 Nah, it's darker.

00:18:10.260 So, skater boy kind of.

00:18:13.260 Not like a skater boy.

00:18:14.260 It doesn't have to be, but like that kind of like look, I feel like.

00:18:17.260 I feel like.

00:18:18.260 Okay.

00:18:19.260 Like a bad boy type of look.

00:18:20.260 Mm-hmm.

00:18:21.260 Yeah, but not like the conventional, like bad boy.

00:18:24.260 Like did, got the tension.

00:18:25.260 She's just like really picky.

00:18:26.260 But never got skilled.

00:18:27.260 I don't even know what your type is, Tatum, honestly.

00:18:29.260 I don't either, you guys.

00:18:30.260 I'm trying to figure it out.

00:18:31.260 Because, yeah.

00:18:32.260 She's, I just feel like she's very like certain people.

00:18:35.260 I don't know how to explain it.

00:18:36.260 Yeah.

00:18:37.260 He's gotta be really well dressed, but also a bad boy.

00:18:38.260 But not like a bad boy, bad boy.

00:18:39.260 Yeah.

00:18:40.260 He can't be blonde and he's gotta be tall.

00:18:41.260 Exactly.

00:18:42.260 And he's gotta skate, but not be a skater.

00:18:43.260 Bingo.

00:18:44.260 Okay, I got it.

00:18:45.260 He doesn't have to skate.

00:18:46.260 Okay.

00:18:47.260 Does anyone at Daily Wire, like one of the hosts, do any of them have blonde hair?

00:18:51.260 No.

00:18:52.260 Shapiro, no.

00:18:53.260 No, we're certainly not.

00:18:54.260 Walsh, no.

00:18:55.260 No.

00:18:56.260 He's got a nice beard though.

00:18:57.260 No, Candace's husband is very blonde.

00:18:59.260 He's married.

00:19:00.260 But he's taken.

00:19:01.260 Unfortunately.

00:19:02.260 Yeah.

00:19:03.260 She likes taken men.

00:19:04.260 Oh.

00:19:05.260 That's her type.

00:19:06.260 That is why.

00:19:07.260 Taken women.

00:19:08.260 She likes taken women.

00:19:09.260 Either one.

00:19:10.260 Taken women.

00:19:11.260 But single men.

00:19:12.260 Yes.

00:19:13.260 Okay.

00:19:14.260 Is there a term for that?

00:19:15.260 Mm-hmm.

00:19:16.260 Is that like one of the new-

00:19:17.260 A homewrecker maybe?

00:19:18.260 Oh.

00:19:19.260 I am a homewrecker.

00:19:20.260 She is a homewrecker.

00:19:21.260 She's wrecked a relationship in high school.

00:19:22.260 Oh, good times.

00:19:23.260 She didn't mean to.

00:19:25.260 Intentional?

00:19:26.260 No.

00:19:27.260 Okay, it wasn't intentional.

00:19:28.260 No.

00:19:29.260 It was an accident.

00:19:30.260 And it was a girl.

00:19:31.260 So that's why I said she likes taken women.

00:19:32.260 She made out with a girl and the boyfriend broke up with the girl.

00:19:35.260 In high school?

00:19:36.260 Yeah.

00:19:37.260 It was crazy.

00:19:38.260 It goes down in high school.

00:19:39.260 Yeah.

00:19:40.260 In high school, that's not a big deal.

00:19:41.260 No.

00:19:42.260 My best friend.

00:19:43.260 That never happens ever if you like.

00:19:45.260 He was not happy with it at all.

00:19:47.260 So what about your specific type?

00:19:49.260 Surfer boys.

00:19:50.260 Surfer boys.

00:19:51.260 Surfer boys.

00:19:52.260 For the most part.

00:19:53.260 She probably would take blondes.

00:19:54.260 Yeah.

00:19:55.260 I will take blondes.

00:19:56.260 Oh.

00:19:57.260 Hair color does not matter to me.

00:19:58.260 Oh, you don't like blondes.

00:19:59.260 I got them mixed up.

00:20:00.260 No.

00:20:01.260 She doesn't like blondes.

00:20:02.260 Oh.

00:20:03.260 So dark hair?

00:20:04.260 Yeah.

00:20:05.260 Those kind of edgy guys?

00:20:06.260 Yeah.

00:20:07.260 I just usually like.

00:20:08.260 Skater boys?

00:20:09.260 Eric, can you pull up a photo of Ben Shapiro?

00:20:12.260 Oh shit.

00:20:13.260 Don't you know who Ben Shapiro is?

00:20:14.260 He's a surfer.

00:20:15.260 I don't know.

00:20:16.260 Yeah, I know.

00:20:17.260 He's a well-known surfer.

00:20:18.260 Yeah.

00:20:19.260 He's from LA.

00:20:20.260 He's a stoner, right?

00:20:21.260 Totally right up my alley.

00:20:22.260 I was running a van.

00:20:23.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:24.260 Hold on.

00:20:25.260 Okay, no.

00:20:26.260 For now.

00:20:27.260 For now.

00:20:28.260 If he wasn't, would you find him attractive?

00:20:31.260 Forever.

00:20:32.260 Sounds like a threat.

00:20:33.260 Or a prize.

00:20:34.260 Is that him?

00:20:35.260 How do you want it?

00:20:36.260 That's him?

00:20:37.260 Is he babe status?

00:20:38.260 No.

00:20:39.260 Whoa, Tatum.

00:20:40.260 Wow.

00:20:41.260 I've been trying to tell him that for years.

00:20:42.260 I was like, Ben, you're not babe status.

00:20:43.260 Jesus.

00:20:44.260 Oh my God.

00:20:45.260 Sorry.

00:20:46.260 Ukraine just going wild.

00:20:47.260 Wow.

00:20:48.260 He's all battalion showing up to the podcast.

00:20:50.260 Goodness gracious.

00:20:51.260 Okay.

00:20:52.260 So your type is surfer boy.

00:20:54.260 For the most part.

00:20:55.260 Generally.

00:20:56.260 Generally surfer boy.

00:20:58.260 Okay.

00:20:59.260 Is what I tend to go for.

00:21:00.260 So she has high standards.

00:21:01.260 You have normal standards.

00:21:02.260 No.

00:21:03.260 I feel like she also has.

00:21:05.260 I think we need a seat booster for Tatum too, by the way.

00:21:07.260 I feel like.

00:21:08.260 Oh, there we go.

00:21:09.260 She just has.

00:21:10.260 Sorry.

00:21:11.260 Posture checks.

00:21:12.260 We'll do posture checks.

00:21:13.260 I don't think she has high standards.

00:21:14.260 I think.

00:21:15.260 Okay.

00:21:16.260 Just Tatum.

00:21:17.260 No, you do have high standards.

00:21:18.260 Sorry.

00:21:19.260 That's what I meant to say.

00:21:20.260 Tatum.

00:21:21.260 I feel like Tatum is even more picky.

00:21:22.260 I see.

00:21:23.260 Very picky.

00:21:24.260 Okay.

00:21:25.260 So you said that you're.

00:21:26.260 There's a guy you're hooking up with.

00:21:27.260 But while you're doing that, you are kind of exploring other options.

00:21:30.260 You're going on dates with other guys.

00:21:32.260 So how long have you been seeing this one guy that you're just hooking up with?

00:21:36.260 Well, I've known him for like a couple years.

00:21:39.260 But we started talking again.

00:21:42.260 Or we saw each other again.

00:21:44.260 New Year's.

00:21:45.260 Of this new year.

00:21:46.260 So you reconnected.

00:21:47.260 Yes.

00:21:48.260 Yes.

00:21:49.260 But so if you don't want to date him long term and you don't think he's the right boyfriend

00:21:52.260 material and you want to see these other guys, why would you waste your time seeing

00:21:57.260 him?

00:21:58.260 I don't think it's wasting my time because it's like, okay, so he lives in Santa Barbara.

00:22:02.260 I live in LA.

00:22:03.260 When I come down up to see my family, I see him at points.

00:22:08.260 At points.

00:22:09.260 But if it's not going to go anywhere, why wouldn't you spend the time with some other

00:22:12.260 guy?

00:22:13.260 Are you going to live for the future?

00:22:14.260 You go on another dinner date or something.

00:22:15.260 I don't need a boyfriend in Santa Barbara.

00:22:17.260 I probably should date someone in LA.

00:22:19.260 But it's, I'm sorry.

00:22:21.260 It's, I kind of see him for the sex.

00:22:24.260 Oh.

00:22:25.260 Okay.

00:22:26.260 Do women really do that?

00:22:28.260 I understand why men do that.

00:22:30.260 Yeah.

00:22:31.260 They're constantly thinking about sex, especially when they're very young.

00:22:34.260 But like, do women really think that way?

00:22:37.260 I know, I know feminism pretends that women think about sex the same way that men do.

00:22:41.260 But that's not real, right?

00:22:43.260 I feel like they do.

00:22:44.260 I think they do.

00:22:45.260 I don't think they get the same, like, great orgasm that these guys are getting from casual

00:22:52.260 sex.

00:22:53.260 That's for sure.

00:22:54.260 But I do think women think about sex.

00:22:56.260 Yeah, I definitely feel like women think about sex.

00:22:58.260 At least we do.

00:22:59.260 I know.

00:23:00.260 But you're admitting that the experience of it is totally different for men and women.

00:23:05.260 Yeah.

00:23:06.260 But you're saying the drive.

00:23:08.260 I mean, no.

00:23:09.260 Actually, once you get comfortable with someone, like once you're sleeping with them enough,

00:23:11.260 I think the sex gets a lot better.

00:23:13.260 A lot better.

00:23:14.260 Which is why I'm seeing this guy where the sex is good because we've been seeing each

00:23:18.260 other, but I, you know, I'm like dating other people.

00:23:22.260 But don't you think the other guys that you're dating might frown upon it if you're sleeping

00:23:27.260 with a different guy?

00:23:29.260 No, because they're sleeping with other people too, probably.

00:23:32.260 Do you like it that they're sleeping with other people too?

00:23:34.260 I mean, I feel like you don't care.

00:23:37.260 Don't you want your needs to be?

00:23:39.260 You've stumped me.

00:23:42.260 Don't you want to fulfill your needs with one person to whom you're attracted?

00:23:47.260 But I haven't been attracted enough to any of the dates I've been on yet.

00:23:51.260 Do you think the fact that you're sleeping with this guy consistently might have something

00:23:55.260 to do with that?

00:23:56.260 No.

00:23:57.260 No.

00:23:58.260 That's a lie.

00:23:59.260 I tend to agree with you, yeah.

00:24:02.260 I think that's a lie.

00:24:03.260 Because I'm thinking about him while I'm with them.

00:24:06.260 Because your behavior is always going to color, any behavior that you're habitually engaging

00:24:10.260 in is always going to color the way that you view the world.

00:24:12.260 And so if you're occupying your mind space and your body and all these, as you're saying,

00:24:16.260 really powerful sensual emotions with some dude, that's obviously going to color the

00:24:21.260 way you think about romance and love with any other guy you're going on a date on.

00:24:23.260 Maybe that's why you're not so interested in the other guys.

00:24:25.260 How come guys can do that so easily, though?

00:24:27.260 I feel like I know guys can go and fuck women and find this amazing intimate experience,

00:24:32.260 but then they can actually find a girl who they respect and like and then date them.

00:24:35.260 So how come it's different for men and women?

00:24:37.260 Men can compartmentalize a little bit better that way, and men can treat sex as purely physical

00:24:42.260 a little bit better.

00:24:43.260 But even for men, it's somewhat difficult.

00:24:46.260 You can't actually separate these things.

00:24:47.260 Yeah, see, I feel like it would be like go both ways.

00:24:48.260 I don't know.

00:24:49.260 Have you met my dad?

00:24:50.260 He can.

00:24:51.260 Yeah, he can.

00:24:52.260 He really can.

00:24:53.260 He really can.

00:24:54.260 That's unfortunate to hear.

00:24:55.260 Should he come on the podcast sometime?

00:24:57.260 Probably.

00:24:58.260 He wanted to come on tonight.

00:24:59.260 Oh, no way.

00:25:00.260 Okay.

00:25:01.260 Oh, was that why you guys were asking if a guy could join?

00:25:03.260 No, we had someone else.

00:25:04.260 That was a different guy friend.

00:25:05.260 Okay.

00:25:06.260 Maybe Sam's dad?

00:25:07.260 No.

00:25:08.260 No, no, no.

00:25:09.260 No, but her dad would be fun to be on the podcast.

00:25:12.260 Doesn't he like go the Philippines?

00:25:14.260 What was the story?

00:25:15.260 Thailand.

00:25:16.260 Oh, Thailand.

00:25:17.260 He's a passport bro.

00:25:18.260 He's a passport bro.

00:25:19.260 Yeah.

00:25:20.260 Except he's just going there to fuck bitches.

00:25:21.260 Yeah, he's not going to marry them.

00:25:22.260 He's just going to fuck.

00:25:23.260 Okay.

00:25:24.260 Isn't he involved with like MMA or something?

00:25:26.260 Yeah.

00:25:27.260 No.

00:25:28.260 What?

00:25:29.260 No, didn't you say he was going for boxing?

00:25:30.260 No, he used to box.

00:25:31.260 Oh, he used to be a boxer.

00:25:32.260 Okay, I see.

00:25:33.260 Yeah.

00:25:34.260 Okay.

00:25:35.260 But that's why he would go to Thailand is to train or whatever?

00:25:36.260 No.

00:25:37.260 Just for the women.

00:25:38.260 Just for the women.

00:25:39.260 Well, no.

00:25:40.260 To see the sights.

00:25:41.260 AKA the women.

00:25:42.260 Yeah.

00:25:43.260 And the beaches.

00:25:44.260 And the beaches.

00:25:45.260 Okay.

00:25:46.260 And the women.

00:25:47.260 Wait, so really quick just on this thing.

00:25:49.260 So do the guys that you're going on dates with, do they know that you're hooking up with

00:25:55.260 someone else or do you just kind of, it's not something you.

00:25:58.260 I mean, we don't really talk about that.

00:25:59.260 I feel like we get to know each other in other ways.

00:26:02.260 And you said you've been on a few dates.

00:26:04.260 How many dates have you in the past month or something?

00:26:07.260 Since last podcast.

00:26:08.260 Sure.

00:26:09.260 Just two.

00:26:10.260 Oh, just two?

00:26:11.260 Okay.

00:26:12.260 One.

00:26:13.260 Well, hasn't it only been two weeks?

00:26:14.260 Three weeks.

00:26:15.260 It was Valentine's Day.

00:26:16.260 I think.

00:26:17.260 So it's been three weeks.

00:26:18.260 Okay, so two.

00:26:19.260 Only two?

00:26:20.260 I think.

00:26:21.260 Three?

00:26:22.260 Four?

00:26:23.260 I think only two.

00:26:24.260 Okay.

00:26:25.260 And then Sam, so you're seeing one guy right now.

00:26:26.260 It sounds a bit more serious, but you haven't.

00:26:29.260 You're not boyfriend, girlfriend.

00:26:30.260 You guys haven't hooked up or anything.

00:26:33.260 Are you also going on dates with other people?

00:26:36.260 No.

00:26:37.260 You're just seeing him, but it's not official yet, so to speak.

00:26:40.260 Yeah.

00:26:41.260 Tatum, what about you?

00:26:42.260 I'm not going on dates, no.

00:26:43.260 Do you have a guy you occasionally see?

00:26:46.260 A friends with benefits?

00:26:47.260 A hookup buddy?

00:26:48.260 No.

00:26:49.260 No?

00:26:50.260 No.

00:26:51.260 Nothing?

00:26:52.260 Nope.

00:26:53.260 I'm strictly focusing on my school.

00:26:55.260 Strictly focusing on my school.

00:26:57.260 Strictly, yeah.

00:26:58.260 That's great.

00:26:59.260 Partying.

00:27:00.260 Okay.

00:27:01.260 And life and partying.

00:27:02.260 Yeah.

00:27:03.260 Isn't there a temptation when you go out to party?

00:27:05.260 So this is, we're two blocks away from UCSB.

00:27:08.260 Mm-hmm.

00:27:09.260 We're here in Isla Vista, number one party school.

00:27:11.260 Well, frequently ranked the number one party school in the U.S.

00:27:14.260 Isla Vista, a really big party scene.

00:27:17.260 You guys go out to Ivy to party, or do you go?

00:27:19.260 Yeah, occasionally.

00:27:20.260 Occasionally.

00:27:21.260 How frequently would you guys say you go out and party?

00:27:24.260 I feel like it depends on the season.

00:27:25.260 Yeah.

00:27:26.260 In the winter, not as much.

00:27:27.260 Sam, can I have you just scoot your mic a little closer towards you to the edge of

00:27:30.260 the table?

00:27:31.260 Perfect.

00:27:32.260 It's the end of the season.

00:27:33.260 It depends on the season.

00:27:34.260 Oh, it depends on the season.

00:27:35.260 Like if it's winter, I feel like I wouldn't-

00:27:36.260 It's a little colder.

00:27:37.260 Yeah, I wouldn't go out that much.

00:27:38.260 But during the summer, I'd probably be out there a lot.

00:27:40.260 Mm-hmm.

00:27:41.260 Okay.

00:27:42.260 What would you like to party during the summer?

00:27:43.260 Like multiple times a week.

00:27:44.260 A lot.

00:27:45.260 Like three, four times a week?

00:27:46.260 Like three times a week.

00:27:47.260 Like four.

00:27:48.260 Three, four.

00:27:49.260 Well, for her.

00:27:50.260 I'm not that, I can't do it.

00:27:51.260 Okay.

00:27:52.260 Got it.

00:27:53.260 Okay.

00:27:54.260 I get tired out.

00:27:55.260 Okay.

00:27:56.260 So, when's the last, have you, when's the last time you've been on a date?

00:27:59.260 Or-

00:28:00.260 Oh my god, PTSD.

00:28:01.260 What?

00:28:02.260 I'm not talking about it though.

00:28:03.260 No.

00:28:04.260 You can't just put that out there and then not-

00:28:05.260 Let's talk about it.

00:28:06.260 Let's talk about it.

00:28:07.260 Uh-oh.

00:28:08.260 Oh god.

00:28:09.260 Is it related to SA?

00:28:10.260 No.

00:28:11.260 No.

00:28:12.260 Oh, okay.

00:28:13.260 Geez.

00:28:14.260 All right.

00:28:15.260 Oh my god.

00:28:16.260 Yeah, talk about it.

00:28:17.260 No, it's not bad.

00:28:18.260 It's funny.

00:28:19.260 PTSD, like he just-

00:28:20.260 It just like-

00:28:21.260 Ugh.

00:28:22.260 She sees him around campus, isn't it?

00:28:23.260 Yeah.

00:28:24.260 Yeah.

00:28:25.260 I went to-

00:28:26.260 Okay, what's the deets?

00:28:27.260 What's the details?

00:28:28.260 It was like an awkward experience.

00:28:29.260 Yeah, it was just awkward.

00:28:30.260 I went to this guy's house that I started DMing and I never met him in person before and like

00:28:37.260 the first thing we decided to do was smoke and I love to smoke but I can't like-

00:28:43.260 I didn't-

00:28:44.260 Methamphetamine?

00:28:45.260 Correct.

00:28:46.260 Marijuana.

00:28:47.260 Oh, okay.

00:28:48.260 My bad.

00:28:49.260 Yeah, sorry.

00:28:50.260 Yeah.

00:28:51.260 Sorry.

00:28:52.260 Where did you meet him really quick?

00:28:53.260 Through Instagram.

00:28:54.260 Instagram.

00:28:55.260 You DMed him?

00:28:56.260 No, he DMed me.

00:28:57.260 He DMed you.

00:28:58.260 Okay.

00:28:59.260 And then he hit me up again like this past fall and he was like, we should smoke soon.

00:29:06.260 And I was like, yeah.

00:29:08.260 I don't know why I said that.

00:29:10.260 I can't smoke in front of people I don't know.

00:29:12.260 And we decided to do it at his house, which that was also just weird.

00:29:16.260 It was a weird experience altogether.

00:29:18.260 I don't like being high in front of like newcomers.

00:29:21.260 So-

00:29:22.260 Wasn't he like-

00:29:23.260 You can sit on the bed and it's more comfortable.

00:29:24.260 He was just being-

00:29:25.260 Yeah.

00:29:26.260 He was being-

00:29:27.260 The classic.

00:29:28.260 The classic, but also-

00:29:29.260 What's the classic?

00:29:30.260 Hey, why are you all the way over there?

00:29:31.260 Come sit on the bed.

00:29:32.260 It's more comfortable.

00:29:33.260 The classic.

00:29:34.260 You see my red LED lights?

00:29:36.260 Uh oh.

00:29:37.260 Yeah.

00:29:38.260 Yeah.

00:29:39.260 But I also was getting just like major icks because I was high.

00:29:42.260 And-

00:29:43.260 So, did you not have the major icks before you guys smoked?

00:29:47.260 Um, I literally like met him at his house.

00:29:51.260 Like I had never like talked to or met or seen this dude in person.

00:29:56.260 But you just went straight to his house?

00:29:57.260 Yeah.

00:29:58.260 She just went straight to his house.

00:29:59.260 No, we met on campus and we like met in the parking lot.

00:30:04.260 And then he was like, okay, here's my-

00:30:06.260 Here's my address.

00:30:07.260 Like just meet me there.

00:30:09.260 Just a knight in shining armor.

00:30:10.260 And I have a story where you end up on the news the next day.

00:30:13.260 Yeah.

00:30:14.260 Yeah.

00:30:15.260 I know.

00:30:16.260 Dude, that sounds so bad.

00:30:19.260 I'm sorry.

00:30:20.260 It's okay.

00:30:21.260 Is there more to this?

00:30:22.260 No, there really isn't.

00:30:23.260 It was just like I-

00:30:24.260 I ghosted him after that.

00:30:26.260 And he just texted me a couple times like, what did I do?

00:30:33.260 What should he have done differently?

00:30:35.260 So he slides into your DMs.

00:30:36.260 Like how could it have worked out?

00:30:37.260 Okay, we just shouldn't have-

00:30:39.260 Cause he's like, let's smoke out my house.

00:30:40.260 And I don't know why I agreed to that.

00:30:41.260 But like that should not have been my first interaction with the dude.

00:30:45.260 Like first of all, I should have been sober.

00:30:48.260 And second of all, like I don't feel like I should have met him at his house.

00:30:51.260 Yeah.

00:30:52.260 Like a stranger.

00:30:53.260 I've never met this fool before.

00:30:55.260 Right.

00:30:56.260 Yeah, you guys should like met at a restaurant.

00:30:57.260 Yeah.

00:30:58.260 I don't know what was going through my head.

00:31:00.260 And then, but he's texted me that on Instagram and I opened it and I totally forgot that

00:31:06.260 there's like red receipts.

00:31:07.260 So I was just like, LOL.

00:31:09.260 And I like put my phone aside.

00:31:12.260 And he was like, wow, I see how it is.

00:31:16.260 It wasn't nice knowing you.

00:31:19.260 Oh.

00:31:20.260 That's so rude.

00:31:21.260 Yeah.

00:31:22.260 For me?

00:31:23.260 No, it's so rude for him to say that to you.

00:31:24.260 Yeah, it wasn't nice knowing you.

00:31:25.260 Well, I kept, I think it was kind of mean that you didn't respond to him.

00:31:30.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:31.260 He gave her the ics.

00:31:32.260 Yeah.

00:31:33.260 I think everything he did was very unchivalrous.

00:31:34.260 And I also think that sometimes when you do DM them back and you're, you try to be

00:31:39.260 like platonically nice, they can take it the wrong way sometimes.

00:31:42.260 Oh yeah.

00:31:43.260 And you get yourself in more of a kerfuffle of being like, oh, I don't want to string them

00:31:47.260 along, but like maybe we could be friends, but they probably don't want that.

00:31:50.260 Yeah.

00:31:51.260 And he like invited me over multiple times like after that.

00:31:54.260 And like right after I left.

00:31:56.260 And I was like, no, he texted me like 15 minutes after I left.

00:32:00.260 Like, you should come back.

00:32:02.260 Yo, turn that car around.

00:32:05.260 Yeah.

00:32:06.260 But I'd see him on campus all the time and it would like literally like shoot my heart

00:32:11.260 rate up.

00:32:12.260 And I don't know why.

00:32:13.260 Awkward.

00:32:14.260 What kind of a guy is he though?

00:32:15.260 Is he a normal guy?

00:32:17.260 I can't discuss that.

00:32:18.260 We can't discuss the looks.

00:32:22.260 Just probably not your like conventional guy.

00:32:24.260 Yeah.

00:32:25.260 You know?

00:32:26.260 Did he have a mullet?

00:32:27.260 No, but he's anti-social I'd say.

00:32:30.260 Hmm.

00:32:31.260 So just your type?

00:32:32.260 Yeah.

00:32:33.260 But I do like more social guys.

00:32:35.260 Okay.

00:32:36.260 So too anti-social.

00:32:37.260 Too anti-social.

00:32:38.260 Okay.

00:32:39.260 Very picky.

00:32:40.260 Very picky.

00:32:41.260 Sorry guys.

00:32:42.260 Apology accepted.

00:32:43.260 Last question before we move on to some of our main topics and we do need to get a couple

00:32:48.260 super chats here.

00:32:50.260 Has anyone here had a ho phase?

00:32:56.260 Kiko.

00:32:57.260 I wasn't making assumptions.

00:33:00.260 I was just asking if you've had them.

00:33:04.260 I mean I feel like most people have their ho phase.

00:33:11.260 It just depends on like if you mean ho in retrospect to my usual or like ho as in like what for

00:33:22.260 like the normal of everybody because I would if compared to every normal terms.

00:33:28.260 No, I wouldn't consider it a ho phase but like it was out of my norm.

00:33:32.260 So.

00:33:33.260 Did you smoke before the show?

00:33:35.260 No, I'm like getting over a cold.

00:33:37.260 Okay.

00:33:38.260 Do I sound raspy?

00:33:39.260 A little bit.

00:33:40.260 Sorry.

00:33:41.260 No, totally fine.

00:33:42.260 I already took antibiotics though so I'm good.

00:33:44.260 Okay.

00:33:45.260 Really quick just on your thing.

00:33:46.260 So you, you're, are you still bartending?

00:33:48.260 Yeah.

00:33:49.260 Okay.

00:33:50.260 My bartending friends, they have, they've had major ho phases.

00:33:59.260 I wouldn't really call it a phase if it's a lifestyle.

00:34:02.260 Oh, it's, there's a continuity.

00:34:04.260 Yeah.

00:34:05.260 I mean, I don't mean just like my bartending friends.

00:34:07.260 I mean, all the other ones.

00:34:08.260 I mean, no, no.

00:34:09.260 I just mean like people I've met since bartending.

00:34:11.260 Okay.

00:34:12.260 That makes sense.

00:34:13.260 So what, I guess for the lifestyle, you know, what, how much of a body count are we talking

00:34:19.260 when we're talking?

00:34:20.260 Like, can you tell us like the highest, maybe the top three you've heard from, from some

00:34:25.260 girls?

00:34:26.260 I couldn't tell you the top three.

00:34:28.260 The highest I've ever heard from a girl.

00:34:31.260 It was like 340 something.

00:34:34.260 What?

00:34:35.260 340 something?

00:34:37.260 It killed that many people.

00:34:38.260 That was body count.

00:34:40.260 Partners.

00:34:41.260 Partners.

00:34:42.260 Okay.

00:34:43.260 Oh man.

00:34:44.260 Cause I, I'm like actually not a prude and I, you know, I'm from New York and I'm

00:34:48.260 I, the highest I've ever heard is like a hundred.

00:34:51.260 And I thought that was the craziest number.

00:34:52.260 Where are you hearing that from?

00:34:53.260 I've heard way higher too.

00:34:54.260 Than what?

00:34:55.260 Than like 340.

00:34:56.260 I've heard people like, I'm just saying a hundred's the highest you've heard.

00:35:01.260 Yeah.

00:35:02.260 And I thought that was crazy.

00:35:04.260 It is crazy, but I feel like I've heard.

00:35:06.260 But have you heard it from guys or girls?

00:35:08.260 Cause guys always inflate their number and women always suppress their number.

00:35:11.260 You're right.

00:35:12.260 You're right.

00:35:13.260 Cause a guy also, oh yeah, probably about 10,000.

00:35:15.260 Genghis Khan didn't sleep with 10,000 women.

00:35:17.260 Yeah.

00:35:18.260 That's not real.

00:35:19.260 340.

00:35:20.260 I don't think it was, it was around 340.

00:35:21.260 I think it was like 346 if I remember exactly.

00:35:24.260 What about some other high numbers?

00:35:25.260 It's very specific.

00:35:26.260 That, no.

00:35:27.260 Ever since then I can't even remember anything else.

00:35:30.260 That's all I can remember.

00:35:32.260 From your other friends.

00:35:33.260 Yeah.

00:35:34.260 Okay.

00:35:35.260 Everything else after that.

00:35:36.260 Unless it's small.

00:35:37.260 A hundred plus?

00:35:38.260 Yeah.

00:35:39.260 A few hundred plus.

00:35:40.260 Okay.

00:35:41.260 Who has that much time?

00:35:42.260 340.

00:35:43.260 I know.

00:35:44.260 I think it's people cause it's like, if they're, if they're just a promiscuous person,

00:35:49.260 they've probably been like this since they were like 16.

00:35:52.260 Most of these people are like 30 that I'm saying.

00:35:54.260 Right.

00:35:55.260 That's 12 years.

00:35:56.260 That's a lot of time to do some damage if you really think about it.

00:35:59.260 Yeah.

00:36:00.260 That is.

00:36:01.260 That is.

00:36:02.260 That is.

00:36:03.260 To just keep going at it.

00:36:04.260 Yep.

00:36:05.260 That is.

00:36:06.260 Right.

00:36:07.260 Time to collect some cards.

00:36:08.260 Because I sometimes think back in my, I've had very brief single days and I think, oh

00:36:12.260 man, I was an atheist.

00:36:13.260 I was, you know, total derelict.

00:36:14.260 And I thought, oh wow, that was really crazy.

00:36:16.260 But then you think, well what if people just had that period of time times 10.

00:36:22.260 Right.

00:36:23.260 Yeah.

00:36:24.260 Which a lot of people do.

00:36:25.260 Right.

00:36:26.260 Wow.

00:36:27.260 Ho phase.

00:36:28.260 Ho phases.

00:36:29.260 I mean, what do you consider a ho phase?

00:36:31.260 Like what's your definition of a ho phase?

00:36:32.260 Well, what's your sense of it?

00:36:34.260 I would say going out, getting hammered a lot, and screwing a lot of dudes.

00:36:42.260 Seems like a fair definition.

00:36:44.260 I, kind of the same thing.

00:36:48.260 Like I would consider what I had at one point as a ho phase, but I don't think the average

00:36:53.260 person would consider that a full blown ho phase.

00:36:58.260 But like to each their own, I guess, you know.

00:37:01.260 Okay.

00:37:02.260 Sam, what about you?

00:37:04.260 I didn't really have a ho phase, but I had a player phase where I just like knocked out

00:37:07.260 a whole fan group and like killed all their, I was like going through it and I like played

00:37:13.260 a whole fan group on accident.

00:37:16.260 What's the distinction between a ho phase and a player phase?

00:37:22.260 Because I didn't like do anything with them.

00:37:24.260 I just talked, like talked to them and texted them and played the field and then like one

00:37:29.260 by one, like made them like me.

00:37:32.260 Not necessarily dominated.

00:37:33.260 Just for fun.

00:37:34.260 So it's just for ego.

00:37:35.260 No, it wasn't for ego.

00:37:36.260 I actually like had crushes on these people.

00:37:38.260 And then like, I like picked, realized like, hmm, I think I picked the wrong one.

00:37:41.260 I actually like that one more.

00:37:43.260 And then it only was three of them, but the whole friend group didn't end up liking me.

00:37:47.260 So.

00:37:48.260 Indecisiveness.

00:37:49.260 Yeah, it was purely indecisive.

00:37:50.260 Yeah, it was purely indecisive.

00:37:51.260 When I was in college.

00:37:52.260 I ended up dating one of them for two years.

00:37:53.260 So I really wasn't trying to like be a player player.

00:37:57.260 I just was indecisive.

00:37:59.260 Hmm.

00:38:00.260 They called that a sweet complete when I was in college.

00:38:02.260 Your girl was every single guy in the suite.

00:38:05.260 That's sweet complete.

00:38:06.260 Yeah.

00:38:07.260 Tatum, what about you?

00:38:08.260 No, I haven't had a ho phase.

00:38:09.260 No ho phase?

00:38:10.260 Maybe not yet.

00:38:11.260 Maybe in the future.

00:38:12.260 In the works?

00:38:13.260 Maybe.

00:38:14.260 Yeah.

00:38:15.260 There's no standards for that.

00:38:16.260 Well, maybe they will lower.

00:38:17.260 Perhaps.

00:38:18.260 Or you'll just have a string of skater, boy, hot dudes.

00:38:22.260 Just like really hot dudes.

00:38:23.260 Hot dudes.

00:38:24.260 Yeah.

00:38:25.260 I hear a train gun.

00:38:26.260 At first I was thinking your high standards were a bad thing, because it would be very hard

00:38:30.260 to meet a guy.

00:38:31.260 But maybe that's a great thing, because you've avoided the ho phase.

00:38:33.260 Mm-hmm.

00:38:34.260 Because you have very high standards.

00:38:35.260 Yeah.

00:38:36.260 Oddly specific.

00:38:37.260 Okay.

00:38:38.260 That's good.

00:38:39.260 Actually, kind of on that topic, well, I'll let the table finish.

00:38:44.260 Have you ever had a ho phase?

00:38:46.260 No.

00:38:47.260 It takes a lot for me to, I guess, like someone.

00:38:51.260 Though I don't think I know.

00:38:52.260 Okay.

00:38:53.260 No.

00:38:54.260 Michael, have you ever had a ho phase?

00:38:59.260 A lady doesn't tell, Brian.

00:39:01.260 Okay.

00:39:02.260 Okay.

00:39:03.260 Well, I sort of alluded to it.

00:39:04.260 You know, I was a derelict atheist.

00:39:07.260 You went to Yale.

00:39:08.260 I went to Yale.

00:39:09.260 And Yale's a pretty, Yale's a weird campus, man.

00:39:12.260 They, Yale is known for like weird secret society rituals and getting naked.

00:39:19.260 That's basically, I mean, Yale, they would do all this crazy stuff.

00:39:21.260 I think back on it now, they would have sex week every two years.

00:39:24.260 They would bring in porn stars to give lectures.

00:39:26.260 Yeah.

00:39:27.260 Good times.

00:39:28.260 Yeah.

00:39:29.260 And it's all these, I was kind of wondering.

00:39:30.260 There were porn stars back in your day?

00:39:32.260 You know, actually, back in the 19th century, it was 1878.

00:39:35.260 Yeah.

00:39:36.260 It was the first porn star ever.

00:39:37.260 Oh, awesome.

00:39:38.260 Yeah.

00:39:39.260 And yeah.

00:39:40.260 Old, old Abraham.

00:39:41.260 Yeah.

00:39:42.260 He wasn't very beautiful.

00:39:43.260 On the first camera.

00:39:44.260 Yeah.

00:39:45.260 Where, you know, where the light bulb explodes.

00:39:46.260 Yeah.

00:39:47.260 Yeah.

00:39:48.260 I wonder though, when I got to Yale, I thought, why are all of these people so promiscuous?

00:39:53.260 Like why is everyone, you wouldn't necessarily expect that.

00:39:56.260 And I realized, if you think about the people who you might have known in high school who

00:40:00.260 went to Yale, were probably fairly nerdy, fairly studious, maybe didn't go out that much,

00:40:06.260 probably didn't go to a ton of parties, you know.

00:40:08.260 And so, they were just these pent up balls of lust and gluttony and drunkenness.

00:40:16.260 And then they just explode.

00:40:20.260 And it's, yeah.

00:40:21.260 Well, they say when like you have really strict parenting as a high schooler, where you're

00:40:26.260 not allowed to go out a lot, once you hit college and you have no rules, they kind of

00:40:30.260 go off the walls and like the partying and the drinking and all that.

00:40:33.260 Yeah, I had roommates like that.

00:40:34.260 I went to NYU and my roommates, man.

00:40:37.260 My dad was like, oh, you have really nice roommates.

00:40:40.260 They must have had great parents.

00:40:42.260 Wow.

00:40:43.260 By the way, I'm getting reports that we have almost 6,000 live viewers in the chat.

00:40:51.260 This is a record for whatever.

00:40:53.260 So, the chat is on fire.

00:40:55.260 I had to boost, unfortunately, the time between chat messages.

00:41:00.260 But yeah, guys, thank you so much for tuning in.

00:41:03.260 We're about to get into some of our more spicy questions here.

00:41:06.260 One question on your high standards.

00:41:08.260 So, is there just like an absurd, ridiculous deal breaker you have like, in terms of your

00:41:15.260 high standards?

00:41:16.260 Like, if a dude, he's got like weird knees or something.

00:41:20.260 It's just some like random, totally unimportant thing that's a deal breaker for you.

00:41:25.260 Oswald Schlauter disease, yeah.

00:41:26.260 Okay, honestly, like this might sound really shallow, but a lot of the high standards like

00:41:31.260 comes from the looks.

00:41:33.260 Like the looks, people's looks are the first thing I look at.

00:41:36.260 And then like past that, it's like personality and like whatever else.

00:41:40.260 So, if it had to do something with their like, their looks that like stood out?

00:41:45.260 Is that what you mean?

00:41:47.260 Yeah, like maybe they have two different colored socks or something like that.

00:41:52.260 No.

00:41:53.260 Weird nipples.

00:41:54.260 Weird nips?

00:41:55.260 I've seen that and I'm like, no.

00:41:57.260 Weird nipples?

00:41:58.260 Weird nipples.

00:41:59.260 And you're like, no?

00:42:00.260 Yeah.

00:42:01.260 That's like a deal breaker for you?

00:42:02.260 I feel like for guys, it's much easier.

00:42:05.260 Cause guys, they can be very attractive and not your like stereotypical attractive, but

00:42:11.260 you know.

00:42:12.260 I agree with you all.

00:42:13.260 Yeah, I agree with you all.

00:42:14.260 Sometimes you just are attracted to someone and you don't know why, but you're attracted

00:42:18.260 to them.

00:42:19.260 And everyone else is like, what?

00:42:20.260 And you're like, but I just like them.

00:42:22.260 You say, I find this guy so attractive.

00:42:24.260 He's got a great job.

00:42:25.260 He's, you know, really got great family and drives a fast car, but his nipples are just

00:42:30.260 unfortunately too weird.

00:42:32.260 So there it goes.

00:42:33.260 Yeah.

00:42:34.260 Yeah.

00:42:35.260 Out with the old.

00:42:36.260 Let's go.

00:42:37.260 All right.

00:42:38.260 We're going to do a couple of chats here.

00:42:39.260 So guys, if you want, check out the description for all super chat and donation triggers.

00:42:43.260 If you want it to be read TTS, we had to boost it to 200 just to preserve the flow of the

00:42:49.260 show.

00:42:50.260 We have Stifler here.

00:42:51.260 You know what?

00:42:52.260 We'll come back to that one from Stifler.

00:42:54.260 M1 Grand asks, would any of the girls date a guy who is pro gun and owns a firearm?

00:43:00.260 Sure.

00:43:01.260 Yes.

00:43:02.260 For sure.

00:43:03.260 Let's just go one by one here.

00:43:04.260 Go ahead.

00:43:05.260 Yes.

00:43:06.260 Yes.

00:43:07.260 Yes.

00:43:08.260 Yes.

00:43:09.260 I'm with one that owns it.

00:43:10.260 Okay.

00:43:11.260 Yes.

00:43:12.260 All right.

00:43:13.260 I bet they didn't see that one coming.

00:43:14.260 Would you, would you all consider yourself to be conservative or right wing?

00:43:18.260 And is that why you would date a guy who's?

00:43:20.260 No.

00:43:21.260 No.

00:43:22.260 I just believe, I mean, we have guns.

00:43:25.260 Yeah.

00:43:26.260 I think the gun issue has to be on either side.

00:43:28.260 I don't think you have to be a conservative to like be pro gun.

00:43:31.260 Yeah.

00:43:32.260 I agree.

00:43:33.260 Not saying what my political stance is.

00:43:35.260 That's all I'm saying.

00:43:36.260 I have heard that there are definitely people who are on the left who are in favor of gun

00:43:42.260 ownership and gun rights.

00:43:43.260 Yeah.

00:43:44.260 I have heard that, but I think amongst, for example, Democrats, if we kind of differentiate

00:43:51.260 Democrats and people who are left leaning, there is, Democrats typically are not so much

00:43:58.260 in favor of, I think.

00:44:00.260 Yeah.

00:44:01.260 Cause I was just sort of wondering if you happen to be more left wing, if you find yourself

00:44:05.260 attracted to someone who has all these stereotypically right wing characteristics like gun ownership

00:44:11.260 or whatever.

00:44:12.260 I feel like, no, go ahead.

00:44:13.260 I feel like I'm not typically attracted to someone who has right wing like ideals, but

00:44:18.260 I wouldn't mind a gun.

00:44:19.260 Like that's not something that's going to make me be like, no.

00:44:21.260 Okay.

00:44:22.260 I feel like these days you have to, I mean, if you have a family, you got to protect

00:44:25.260 someone.

00:44:26.260 You have to be responsible.

00:44:27.260 Yeah.

00:44:28.260 I'm more left leaning.

00:44:29.260 I wouldn't consider myself a Democrat.

00:44:31.260 Um, but I usually am more attracted to more right wing people, if anything.

00:44:37.260 What do you think that is?

00:44:38.260 Good question.

00:44:39.260 Um, I don't know.

00:44:42.260 I've never really thought about it.

00:44:44.260 It's a good question.

00:44:45.260 We have time.

00:44:47.260 Wonderful.

00:44:48.260 Uh, can I come back?

00:44:51.260 Because I, I would have guessed that.

00:44:53.260 I would guess that most women, even if they say I'm liberal or I'm left wing, ultimately,

00:44:57.260 especially if you're thinking for a guy more long term, but even in the short term, you're

00:45:01.260 probably not attracted to some guy who's like wearing dresses or is super, like makes you

00:45:07.260 pay the check or is kind of, you know, like a soy boy.

00:45:11.260 Soy boy.

00:45:12.260 Yeah.

00:45:13.260 Um, I wouldn't say all that.

00:45:14.260 I see, um, I could see where you are going with that though.

00:45:20.260 And why people who believe the same things as you would see that.

00:45:24.260 Um, it's just for me, since I said I am left leaning, not fully a Democrat.

00:45:29.260 I don't, I find myself, yeah, I'm not fully agreeing with a lot of things, um, that a lot

00:45:35.260 of like full Democrats believe, whereas I always, I don't always believe things that

00:45:39.260 full conservatives believe, but we'll find a middle ground easier than I will with the

00:45:44.260 really, really Democratical people.

00:45:46.260 So.

00:45:47.260 Just say you don't like soy boys.

00:45:49.260 Just, or maybe you do.

00:45:50.260 I don't know.

00:45:51.260 I mean, I really couldn't say that since like I've dated girls.

00:45:53.260 So it's like.

00:45:54.260 Hmm.

00:45:55.260 Hmm.

00:45:56.260 That's like.

00:45:57.260 And also I feel like, um, feminine men can be very attractive, like very attractive.

00:46:01.260 And I think men that a lot of people who are younger, like the younger generation.

00:46:07.260 I was very upset by your statement.

00:46:08.260 I know he was like.

00:46:09.260 I was upset by your statement.

00:46:10.260 Feminine men.

00:46:11.260 No.

00:46:12.260 Um, I feel like a lot of the guys that girls nowadays find attractive are very feminine.

00:46:16.260 What do you mean by that?

00:46:17.260 Like look at Harry Styles.

00:46:18.260 I feel like he's a very feminine guy.

00:46:19.260 Well, he has a lot of status too, so.

00:46:21.260 But I still feel like I, I mean, personally, he doesn't do it for me, but I know a lot

00:46:24.260 of girls who do like him.

00:46:25.260 And like.

00:46:26.260 Harry Styles slides into your DMs.

00:46:27.260 Very feminine looking.

00:46:28.260 Yeah.

00:46:29.260 But just cause they're wearing dresses doesn't make.

00:46:31.260 What makes them feminine?

00:46:32.260 Um, I feel like.

00:46:33.260 He said the dress then.

00:46:34.260 But, but.

00:46:35.260 Also the soy boy.

00:46:36.260 But like.

00:46:37.260 Yeah.

00:46:38.260 Like he seems very.

00:46:39.260 He doesn't seem like super like, you know, gym rap.

00:46:41.260 Masculine.

00:46:42.260 No.

00:46:43.260 Big guy.

00:46:44.260 No.

00:46:45.260 They're very like.

00:46:46.260 Like slender men.

00:46:47.260 Like I feel like.

00:46:48.260 Yes.

00:46:49.260 Very like soft.

00:46:50.260 They come off soft.

00:46:51.260 Not like someone who's very strong and aggressive.

00:46:53.260 And I feel like a lot of times women find that attractive.

00:46:56.260 I think younger women tend to find more feminine men a bit more attractive.

00:47:00.260 But I think as women start to get older, they do start leaning more and more towards

00:47:05.260 more like more masculine men.

00:47:07.260 Or.

00:47:08.260 It could just be like a generational thing.

00:47:10.260 That's true.

00:47:11.260 Perhaps.

00:47:12.260 It could be just like the way that our generation is versus other generations.

00:47:15.260 Or a regional thing too.

00:47:16.260 Yeah.

00:47:17.260 Well, I also think there's a component of social proof too.

00:47:19.260 Because.

00:47:20.260 If.

00:47:21.260 All the other women find him attractive.

00:47:23.260 It's almost this.

00:47:24.260 This.

00:47:25.260 If the other girls find him attractive.

00:47:27.260 Oh, well.

00:47:28.260 Other women will find them attractive too.

00:47:30.260 Really quick on the women.

00:47:31.260 Really quick on the women finding feminine men more attractive.

00:47:35.260 And Michael, maybe you've heard of this.

00:47:37.260 I've heard that women who take birth control tend to, and maybe it's something with how the

00:47:43.260 hormones are changing them, tend to find men with more feminine characteristics attractive

00:47:50.260 when they're on birth control.

00:47:51.260 I would believe that because I'm now convinced birth control just poison.

00:47:57.260 I think it changes your brain.

00:47:58.260 Oh, it does.

00:47:59.260 Totally.

00:48:00.260 It does.

00:48:01.260 You, and you, have you sort of experienced this or this is stories you've heard from

00:48:05.260 people?

00:48:06.260 No, I think a lot.

00:48:07.260 I've been on multiple different types of birth control and I feel like they've all affected

00:48:10.260 me differently in different ways.

00:48:11.260 And I feel like birth control shouldn't affect you and your like brain.

00:48:15.260 Cause they tell you, they say, Oh, this isn't going to affect anything about your body.

00:48:18.260 It's like, well, I'm, I don't know.

00:48:19.260 I'm taking a bunch of hormones constantly.

00:48:21.260 Like, I don't know if I do cookie at lunch, it affects the way that I feel.

00:48:24.260 I think pumping myself a little hormones will do that.

00:48:26.260 Yeah.

00:48:27.260 I feel like I'm like the rare case where if one, if anything, since having an IUD,

00:48:31.260 I never took birth control before having an IUD in the end of 2020, middle of 2020.

00:48:38.260 Before that, if anything, I dated more women, more feminine men.

00:48:42.260 Since then I've dated more masculine men.

00:48:45.260 And I also like, yeah, maybe hormonal IUD.

00:48:50.260 It is.

00:48:51.260 Um, I don't know.

00:48:52.260 I just, I feel like I haven't seen my boobs got bigger at first, but they went back down.

00:48:58.260 That's like literally the only thing I noticed.

00:49:00.260 Yeah.

00:49:01.260 My titties, I went from like a solid, like B cup to like a solid, like full D with right

00:49:06.260 away.

00:49:07.260 But then they went away.

00:49:08.260 They deflated again.

00:49:09.260 Do you, do you think the reason that you started dating more masculine men once you

00:49:12.260 got on birth control was just in your mind, you had less of a fear of getting pregnant?

00:49:17.260 So you said, okay, now I'm not going to date women or whatever.

00:49:20.260 Damn.

00:49:21.260 I never thought of that.

00:49:23.260 Huh?

00:49:24.260 You're like a psychiatrist.

00:49:26.260 I consider myself a love duck.

00:49:28.260 That was a good one.

00:49:29.260 Michael is the new cohost of the show.

00:49:32.260 We've poached him from the daily wire back to Santa Barbara.

00:49:35.260 You're asking all the questions.

00:49:36.260 Yeah.

00:49:37.260 So, okay.

00:49:38.260 Uh, let's do a couple of chats here.

00:49:40.260 So we have, uh, everyone seemed to be fine with a guy who is a pro gun and owns firearms.

00:49:45.260 We got, uh, Oh yeah.

00:49:48.260 Do you want to, we'll do a shout out the Twitch people really quick.

00:49:51.260 By the way, guys.

00:49:52.260 Um, if you have a Twitch account, go to twitch.tv slash whatever, give us a follow.

00:49:57.260 And if you have an Amazon prime sub, uh, drop us a sub if you can.

00:50:01.260 Um, twitch.tv slash whatever.

00:50:04.260 Thank you guys.

00:50:05.260 All right.

00:50:06.260 So we have Richard Contini jr here.

00:50:09.260 Thank you.

00:50:10.260 Thank you for the 50, man.

00:50:11.260 Appreciate it.

00:50:12.260 Uh, did, by the way, does anyone want to be the designated super chat reader?

00:50:15.260 Who's got a good.

00:50:16.260 I was reading something.

00:50:18.260 Women are not used to being forced to think.

00:50:21.260 What does that mean?

00:50:23.260 Uh, that, that is, that is, I'm not sure.

00:50:26.260 Um, does anyone have a good reading voice Tatum here?

00:50:29.260 How about you get this?

00:50:30.260 I can't.

00:50:31.260 I'm just kind of a little sick right now.

00:50:33.260 Oh, okay.

00:50:34.260 Uh, Kiko here.

00:50:35.260 How about Kiko?

00:50:37.260 Oh, sorry.

00:50:38.260 I, that one's getting all covered up.

00:50:40.260 My bad.

00:50:41.260 Uh, Kiko, you want to read this one?

00:50:45.260 These girls have no idea what's about to happen.

00:50:48.260 Michael, you're an awesome guy.

00:50:50.260 I love your daily show.

00:50:52.260 Well, thank you for saying that Kiko.

00:50:53.260 I appreciate that.

00:50:54.260 It came from the heart.

00:50:55.260 She endorses her show, by the way.

00:50:56.260 That's great.

00:50:57.260 I'm going to put that in my credits.

00:50:58.260 Clip it.

00:50:59.260 Yeah.

00:51:00.260 Clip it and chip it.

00:51:01.260 All right.

00:51:02.260 We have a Rob CD.

00:51:03.260 Thank you for the 50 Rob.

00:51:04.260 Appreciate it.

00:51:05.260 Where can I get those old school?

00:51:06.260 I love this to posters.

00:51:07.260 Is Ivy store still open?

00:51:08.260 Hail gachos.

00:51:09.260 I assume you're talking about that couch photo that I use in the intro.

00:51:12.260 Um, yeah, I think, uh, I think it's available on fine art America.

00:51:18.260 Uh, I think you can get it there.

00:51:20.260 Thank you, Rob.

00:51:21.260 Appreciate it.

00:51:22.260 Uh, American Grizzly.

00:51:23.260 Thank you for the 75, man.

00:51:24.260 Appreciate it.

00:51:25.260 Uh, love the show, Brian.

00:51:26.260 Long time follower of Knowles and Daily Wire.

00:51:28.260 Love to see your coming to Buffalo.

00:51:30.260 Um, I'm already seeing protests starting best of luck.

00:51:36.260 It's because I'm very intimidating.

00:51:38.260 You know, we were just talking about those like gym rat, very imposing dudes.

00:51:41.260 And so it's like, they, they know when I'm coming.

00:51:43.260 Oh, uh, huh.

00:51:44.260 They can sense you.

00:51:45.260 They can.

00:51:46.260 It's my pheromones.

00:51:47.260 I think someone called you Channing Tatum.

00:51:49.260 That's what people say it all the time.

00:51:50.260 Many people are talking about it.

00:51:52.260 Do you know any martial arts?

00:51:54.260 I actually, uh, I did briefly train in what I called Krav Maga at Jeremy Boring's house.

00:52:01.260 Okay.

00:52:02.260 Oh, it's also known as jujitsu.

00:52:03.260 And so I trained in that for a while and it was, it was awful.

00:52:06.260 It was horrible.

00:52:07.260 I'd wake up early.

00:52:09.260 I'd have to like, but this is jujitsu.

00:52:13.260 It's also known as Krav Maga.

00:52:14.260 And, uh, and you know, it's like very cut.

00:52:17.260 You fight and kind of dirty.

00:52:18.260 And yeah, it was a hassle, man.

00:52:20.260 Sounds fine.

00:52:21.260 I want to do that.

00:52:22.260 You want to do that?

00:52:23.260 I'm a lover, not a fighter.

00:52:25.260 Me too.

00:52:26.260 I realized that.

00:52:27.260 You are too.

00:52:28.260 I could tell.

00:52:29.260 I've never been afraid.

00:52:30.260 Are you more of a feminine man?

00:52:32.260 Am I a feminine?

00:52:33.260 Why would we make you ask that?

00:52:34.260 Because you're like, I'm a lover, I'm not a fighter.

00:52:36.260 No, I'm just.

00:52:37.260 I'm like Lancelot in my own mind at least too.

00:52:40.260 I feel he does come off as a little feminine.

00:52:42.260 Yeah.

00:52:43.260 Oh.

00:52:44.260 In a real deal.

00:52:45.260 Shots fired.

00:52:46.260 Yeah.

00:52:47.260 It's actually like a good thing.

00:52:48.260 A good energy.

00:52:49.260 It's a good feminine energy.

00:52:50.260 Yeah.

00:52:51.260 It's like a kind of manly feminine.

00:52:52.260 Yeah.

00:52:53.260 It's like nurturing.

00:52:54.260 I don't think you come off feminine at all.

00:52:55.260 I just don't think you come off as toxic, like masculine, which is a lot of people are

00:53:07.260 used to.

00:53:08.260 I just think you're just a normal masculine.

00:53:09.260 I don't really see you coming off as feminine, but you're just not.

00:53:12.260 Yeah.

00:53:13.260 Wait.

00:53:14.260 Because he's toxic.

00:53:15.260 Yeah.

00:53:16.260 He's Satan right there.

00:53:17.260 I'm the toxic one.

00:53:18.260 Yeah.

00:53:19.260 The toxic masculinity is.

00:53:21.260 I feel like.

00:53:22.260 He's like, you're either toxic or you're feminine.

00:53:26.260 There's no just normal masculine anymore.

00:53:29.260 Okay.

00:53:30.260 You're the toxic feminine.

00:53:31.260 I think actually you raise a great point.

00:53:33.260 Because when you see people bring up toxic masculinity and a lot of times people bring

00:53:37.260 it up because they just hate masculinity.

00:53:39.260 So they say, you know, all masculinity is toxic, but there is a toxic kind of masculinity,

00:53:44.260 right?

00:53:45.260 There is a way where men who basically have no good role models just decide to perform

00:53:50.260 to try to pretend they're Conan the Barbarian or something like that.

00:53:52.260 Yeah.

00:53:53.260 And it's very silly.

00:53:54.260 Just toxic stupidity.

00:53:55.260 Yeah.

00:53:56.260 Yeah.

00:53:57.260 It just always looks like you're overcompensating for something.

00:53:59.260 Yeah.

00:54:00.260 Yeah.

00:54:01.260 Right.

00:54:02.260 So, I mean, I sort of almost reject this concept of toxic masculinity because I feel like

00:54:07.260 it needlessly genders a behavior.

00:54:09.260 Because you have it.

00:54:10.260 Because I have.

00:54:11.260 Am I toxically masculine?

00:54:12.260 I don't know.

00:54:13.260 But I feel like.

00:54:14.260 How do you really feel?

00:54:15.260 I feel like there definitely is toxic masculinity.

00:54:16.260 I don't think all masculinity is good.

00:54:18.260 Can I say?

00:54:19.260 There are good.

00:54:20.260 There is good.

00:54:21.260 Yeah.

00:54:22.260 I mean, some people told me that you kind of like blame women a lot.

00:54:24.260 It's like you put like a lot of.

00:54:25.260 Oh, wow.

00:54:26.260 Okay.

00:54:27.260 This is a therapy session.

00:54:28.260 That's a toxic masculinity where you kind of.

00:54:29.260 I blame.

00:54:30.260 What do I blame women for?

00:54:31.260 Yeah, you blame women.

00:54:32.260 For your problem.

00:54:33.260 Like you have this like.

00:54:34.260 I don't blame women for my problem.

00:54:35.260 It's like you tell their lie.

00:54:36.260 I like that.

00:54:37.260 And you continuously put it out there for young men to like be like, oh, I don't want

00:54:41.260 to get married.

00:54:42.260 Like I will just date women for like as long as I want.

00:54:45.260 Why not?

00:54:46.260 That.

00:54:47.260 You don't want to get married?

00:54:48.260 No.

00:54:49.260 No.

00:54:50.260 No.

00:54:51.260 Why not?

00:54:52.260 Uh oh.

00:54:53.260 All right.

00:54:54.260 One, two, three, five, six, seven.

00:54:55.260 All right.

00:54:56.260 One V seven.

00:54:57.260 Okay.

00:54:58.260 Well, so I'm not opposed to necessarily having a life partner, but there, there are, there

00:55:05.260 are certain, sorry, I'm sorry, Michael.

00:55:08.260 There are certain realities when it comes to, to marriage that from the male perspective

00:55:13.260 make it seem risky.

00:55:16.260 Oh, only from the male perspective?

00:55:18.260 Cause I can feel like it's also risky from the female perspective.

00:55:21.260 Men are the, how so?

00:55:22.260 I think you've never been in love.

00:55:23.260 I feel like.

00:55:24.260 Yeah.

00:55:25.260 Or very offended.

00:55:26.260 If you're thinking about risk factor, I feel like it goes both ways.

00:55:28.260 Yeah.

00:55:29.260 Okay.

00:55:30.260 They're turning on me.

00:55:31.260 Well, it's, but, but to your point, Brian, you, you know, you make a good amount of

00:55:34.260 money.

00:55:35.260 You, the way the judicial system works.

00:55:37.260 If a woman divorced you, she could take a bunch of your money.

00:55:40.260 She could take your kids.

00:55:41.260 So there's a risk.

00:55:42.260 But my question is if you're already going to have a life partner, which sounds, I'm sorry

00:55:47.260 to say kind of gay, like it's not, it's not gendered.

00:55:51.260 It's not traditional.

00:55:52.260 Thank you for saying that.

00:55:53.260 It's just, so if you're going to do that anyway, why, and, but you want to protect against

00:55:57.260 divorce, why not just marry a woman who's not going to get divorced?

00:56:01.260 Well.

00:56:02.260 Or get a prenup.

00:56:03.260 Okay.

00:56:04.260 Yeah.

00:56:05.260 Literally.

00:56:06.260 So you, you're saying like, well, if you find the, the, a great woman that you know,

00:56:09.260 that's just.

00:56:10.260 No, not even just that.

00:56:11.260 I'm saying, cause you know, you could find the most wonderful woman in the world.

00:56:14.260 And then I don't know, someday something goes off in her brain and she totally turns

00:56:17.260 on you.

00:56:18.260 But what if you create the structures such that you're not going to get divorced?

00:56:21.260 I'll give you an example.

00:56:22.260 I'm Catholic.

00:56:23.260 My wife and I cannot get divorced.

00:56:24.260 She could murder me.

00:56:25.260 That would be her way out of the marriage, but we can, it is not possible for us to

00:56:29.260 get divorced.

00:56:30.260 Now, if you, let's say you're not Catholic yet and maybe you don't, you know, you have,

00:56:34.260 you haven't worked through these things.

00:56:36.260 Maybe.

00:56:37.260 Wait, did you say yet?

00:56:38.260 We're just talking.

00:56:39.260 Okay.

00:56:40.260 I'm saying, what if before you get married, you sign a prenup, but not the kind of prenup

00:56:45.260 now, not the kind of prenup where you say, okay, in case we get divorced, you know,

00:56:49.260 we get 50, 50.

00:56:50.260 50, 50.

00:56:51.260 What if you sign a prenup that says, if you divorce me.

00:56:53.260 I will kill you.

00:56:54.260 Yeah.

00:56:55.260 I'll kill you.

00:56:56.260 Whoever brings the divorce forfeits everything.

00:56:59.260 That's called, that's the Knowles prenup.

00:57:01.260 And then you're, and then you're safe.

00:57:02.260 She's not going to take your kids.

00:57:03.260 She's not going to take your money and you get to be married and not have a life partner.

00:57:06.260 Sure.

00:57:07.260 I mean, I, I, I'd love to bring on a family attorney to ask him questions about this, but

00:57:13.260 kind of what I've heard in my understanding when it comes to prenuptial agreements is that oftentimes

00:57:18.260 they can, they can be thrown out and they don't, I don't think prenups can apply to post-marriage.

00:57:24.260 So you can protect your assets that you've acquired pre-marriage.

00:57:29.260 I could be totally off base here, but I've heard prenups can get thrown out.

00:57:33.260 Someone could say, oh, I was signed under duress, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:36.260 It's unfair.

00:57:37.260 It's, there's a specific term for it that's evading me right now.

00:57:40.260 It's, but is that why you don't want to get married?

00:57:43.260 Cause you're afraid of the divorce potentially?

00:57:45.260 I'm afraid of women.

00:57:46.260 Why not just date another successful woman?

00:57:47.260 Do you have trust issues, Brian?

00:57:48.260 Yeah.

00:57:49.260 It sounds like you have trust issues.

00:57:50.260 It's just Michael and the girls here.

00:57:53.260 I'm intervening with you, Brian.

00:57:55.260 Um, like if you date another successful woman, wouldn't that fear kind of disappear?

00:58:00.260 Cause then if anything, it's like, you know, she could be scared of your, what if she's

00:58:04.260 more successful than you or something like that?

00:58:05.260 What if she's making more money than you are?

00:58:06.260 Yeah.

00:58:07.260 Yeah.

00:58:08.260 Like why are we assuming that you're the breadwinner?

00:58:09.260 You want a wife, right?

00:58:10.260 I mean, I'm, you, you want to not.

00:58:12.260 Apparently not.

00:58:13.260 Maybe he wants to be a wife.

00:58:14.260 He wants a life partner, Mike.

00:58:15.260 He wants a life partner.

00:58:16.260 Yeah.

00:58:17.260 Well, you're right.

00:58:18.260 Okay.

00:58:19.260 Maybe that does sound.

00:58:20.260 You know what's big now?

00:58:21.260 Virtual, virtual girlfriends.

00:58:23.260 Yeah.

00:58:24.260 Virtual wives.

00:58:25.260 It's a thing now.

00:58:26.260 Like this one.

00:58:27.260 What is it?

00:58:28.260 Or you'll just be a passport player.

00:58:30.260 He wants a dog that speaks English.

00:58:32.260 But she can take all his money.

00:58:33.260 Oh, sure.

00:58:34.260 And that he wouldn't get in trouble for.

00:58:35.260 But it's like a thing in the future now.

00:58:36.260 You can have a virtual second AI, but it's both interactive.

00:58:39.260 We're figuring out your love life here.

00:58:40.260 Yeah.

00:58:41.260 Like seriously.

00:58:42.260 Just put all your faith into us and we can figure it out for you.

00:58:44.260 Yeah.

00:58:45.260 We'll figure out all your love life issues.

00:58:46.260 We really want to get to the root of this problem.

00:58:47.260 Yeah.

00:58:48.260 I just, I, I don't see the benefits.

00:58:52.260 Don't, well, this is why I asked, don't you want a wife?

00:58:54.260 Of having a companion?

00:58:55.260 There, I can have a companion and not be married.

00:58:58.260 And I'm not a fan of the government, so I don't want the government involved in my love

00:59:01.260 of it.

00:59:02.260 Do you want children?

00:59:03.260 If you live with someone more than 10 years, you're going to be legally married.

00:59:06.260 It's common law marriage anyway.

00:59:07.260 Well, not, that's only some states.

00:59:09.260 Not all states have common law marriage.

00:59:11.260 California.

00:59:12.260 We do.

00:59:13.260 I don't know how long.

00:59:14.260 No, California does not have common law marriage.

00:59:15.260 Yeah, we do.

00:59:16.260 Yeah, we do.

00:59:17.260 My parents are by that.

00:59:18.260 No, not California.

00:59:19.260 That's the only reason.

00:59:20.260 I'm pretty sure California is not common law marriage.

00:59:21.260 Yeah, no.

00:59:22.260 That's the only reason why my mom is still.

00:59:23.260 Google it.

00:59:25.260 I'll do common law marriage states.

00:59:27.260 They're legally married by the state, but they've never been, they haven't been dating

00:59:30.260 since 2001.

00:59:31.260 They did it for one year.

00:59:32.260 So, okay, here.

00:59:33.260 Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas,

00:59:37.260 Utah, and DC.

00:59:38.260 Those are the only, according to this, sterling lawyers.com.

00:59:42.260 Your very quick Google search.

00:59:43.260 Your two second search.

00:59:45.260 Yeah, I think it's a minority of states that have common law marriage.

00:59:48.260 But yes, that is a risk factor in those states.

00:59:51.260 If you are cohabitating with somebody and you almost treat your relationship as if you're

00:59:56.260 married, then you are basically, in the eyes of the law, you are married.

01:00:01.260 Luckily, in California, which I don't know how much longer I'm going to stay here, I'm

01:00:07.260 probably going to get canceled by proxy because Michael's on the show, but just kidding.

01:00:12.260 Maybe kidding.

01:00:13.260 I don't know.

01:00:14.260 You probably, the franchise tax board is going to come and evict you probably.

01:00:17.260 Geez.

01:00:18.260 Scary stuff.

01:00:19.260 So, I don't have anything against, for other people, that's great.

01:00:23.260 I just, I've sort of looked at the numbers.

01:00:26.260 I've done the calculus and it just, to me, it seems like, here, I'll put the math here.

01:00:30.260 I've done the math.

01:00:31.260 You know, 50% of marriages end in divorce.

01:00:35.260 And the stats I've seen, 80% of divorces are initiated by women.

01:00:40.260 And so, when I say it's bad for the man, divorce, the negative consequences of divorce

01:00:47.260 typically tend to disproportionately impact men.

01:00:50.260 They can impact women.

01:00:52.260 But I mean, I think 97% of, it's like 97% of alimony payments go from men to women.

01:00:59.260 So, there are some concerns there financially.

01:01:02.260 And then just, you have the government involved and then it can be quite contentious.

01:01:06.260 And then, not only is there the consideration in terms of splitting your assets, but then you have lawyers involved.

01:01:12.260 Mm-hmm.

01:01:13.260 And I don't have anything necessarily wrong, perhaps from a religious perspective, with marriage.

01:01:18.260 But when the state's involved, and I think we ought to perhaps rewrite marriage laws to perhaps incentivize men to get married again because you have no-fault divorce.

01:01:29.260 Yeah.

01:01:30.260 And what's the other thing?

01:01:34.260 And then, you know, your wife could cheat on you and then take half your shit.

01:01:38.260 I think, under certain circumstances, if you can prove it in a courtroom, that perhaps you shouldn't be on the hook for alimony if there's been some infidelity, for example.

01:01:47.260 That's the most prenups.

01:01:48.260 You're saying so that you could dump your wife if she cheats on you?

01:01:50.260 Yes, without any financial-

01:01:52.260 Brian, who hurt you?

01:01:53.260 Most prenups.

01:01:54.260 Yeah.

01:01:55.260 I feel like you're always worried about, like, something gonna happen bad.

01:01:58.260 Something going wrong.

01:01:59.260 Like, you have no trust and faith in these women.

01:02:02.260 But I think it's the society we live in now.

01:02:04.260 Well, let me ask you a question.

01:02:05.260 Let me ask you a question.

01:02:06.260 So how many people get married and they think, hey, this is the person I love.

01:02:10.260 We're gonna be together forever.

01:02:11.260 And then you hear that divorce rate.

01:02:14.260 It's like 50% of marriages end in divorce.

01:02:16.260 I think when people get married very young, right?

01:02:19.260 Isn't that the best time to get married?

01:02:21.260 Not necessarily.

01:02:22.260 Well, my thoughts on that.

01:02:23.260 Well, you're like an exception.

01:02:25.260 I didn't get married young, though.

01:02:27.260 I've only been married now about five years.

01:02:29.260 Yeah.

01:02:30.260 But I should have gotten married younger.

01:02:31.260 It's one of my quasi-regrets in life.

01:02:33.260 But some of the best marriages I've ever seen were people who got married 20 years old or 22 or 23 years old.

01:02:39.260 I just wonder, Brian, because all the objections you're raising are completely legit.

01:02:43.260 Sure, sure.

01:02:44.260 I just wonder if you are looking at an alternative that doesn't really exist that's illusory.

01:02:50.260 Because if you're thinking, okay, I'm gonna have more freedom if I don't get married.

01:02:54.260 I don't know if that's true.

01:02:56.260 If you're always in one of these situations, even if you're just dating, where you think, well, where are we?

01:03:00.260 Where do we stand?

01:03:01.260 Is he gonna leave me?

01:03:02.260 Is this that?

01:03:03.260 Is that?

01:03:04.260 In a marriage, in a proper marriage, all that is gone.

01:03:07.260 And so you think, I had a bad day.

01:03:08.260 I got in a fight with my wife.

01:03:10.260 I didn't do the laundry.

01:03:11.260 Whatever.

01:03:12.260 Doesn't matter.

01:03:13.260 Especially if you believe in marriage like marriage really is.

01:03:15.260 You say this is an institution defined by real things.

01:03:18.260 I made a covenant before God and the political community.

01:03:20.260 I signed up with the government.

01:03:22.260 They're gonna take my money if I break this covenant.

01:03:24.260 And that actually, it seems like it puts the limitations on you.

01:03:27.260 But it actually gives you a ton of freedom.

01:03:29.260 Because you can think, oh, I'm here.

01:03:31.260 We're in this.

01:03:32.260 There's no getting out.

01:03:34.260 There's no way out but through.

01:03:35.260 And so we're just gonna make this thing work.

01:03:37.260 I find it's a very freeing experience.

01:03:40.260 Yeah, what if you also meet someone and she's like, I wanna get married and you're in love

01:03:44.260 with this girl.

01:03:45.260 Is it a deal breaker for you?

01:03:47.260 I have not crossed that road yet.

01:03:51.260 Yeah.

01:03:52.260 But I don't know.

01:03:53.260 I mean, my thinking on this is just you should never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded

01:03:58.260 for breaking it.

01:03:59.260 And in today's day and age, oftentimes, if you break the marriage contract, there are

01:04:05.260 certain financial benefits that you can reap.

01:04:07.260 But you can go get married in another country.

01:04:09.260 And then you don't have to buy it.

01:04:11.260 Passport grows.

01:04:12.260 We up.

01:04:13.260 I think Japan, maybe.

01:04:15.260 Actually, you know what's happening in Japan?

01:04:17.260 Because women can't find, there's not enough guys.

01:04:20.260 So there's a thing where they have one woman wedding because all these girls wanna get

01:04:25.260 married.

01:04:26.260 Tokyo, here I come.

01:04:28.260 You know what, Michael?

01:04:29.260 You've convinced me to get married.

01:04:31.260 In fact, Eric, if you can hide this, Tatum.

01:04:36.260 What?

01:04:37.260 Oh, gosh.

01:04:38.260 You pull it out.

01:04:39.260 Will you marry me, Tatum?

01:04:40.260 Where'd you just get that from?

01:04:42.260 Like last time you reached for it, you just had that ready.

01:04:45.260 I had it ready.

01:04:46.260 He knew you were coming.

01:04:47.260 He already knew.

01:04:48.260 Tatum, will you marry me?

01:04:53.260 Yeah.

01:04:54.260 Okay, put it.

01:04:55.260 All right.

01:04:57.260 Thank you, Michael.

01:04:58.260 You're the best wingman ever.

01:04:59.260 Congratulations, man.

01:05:00.260 That's great.

01:05:01.260 And Brian, I will be divorcing you at the end of this podcast.

01:05:04.260 Oh, wonderful.

01:05:05.260 All right.

01:05:06.260 Can you do a little Beyonce?

01:05:08.260 All right.

01:05:09.260 Okay.

01:05:10.260 Look at that.

01:05:11.260 Nice.

01:05:12.260 For the people in the back.

01:05:13.260 All right.

01:05:14.260 Tatum Atlas.

01:05:15.260 Okay, cool.

01:05:16.260 Oh.

01:05:17.260 What?

01:05:18.260 What?

01:05:19.260 What's your last name?

01:05:20.260 She's keeping the last name.

01:05:21.260 Wait, are we hyphenating?

01:05:22.260 No.

01:05:23.260 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:05:24.260 They both go, no.

01:05:25.260 You're not going to keep your last name.

01:05:26.260 But then our family's name runs out.

01:05:28.260 Yeah, there's two girls.

01:05:29.260 Only two girls?

01:05:30.260 Yeah.

01:05:31.260 Only two girls.

01:05:32.260 Well, that's the way things shake out, right?

01:05:33.260 Your family's name is either going to be your husband's name or your father's name.

01:05:38.260 Why?

01:05:39.260 Because that's what your last name is.

01:05:41.260 But why can't...

01:05:42.260 I want to keep my father's last name, so I'll just keep my father's last name if I get married.

01:05:47.260 Why?

01:05:48.260 Fiona Flynn?

01:05:49.260 Have you heard that?

01:05:50.260 That's a great name.

01:05:51.260 That's a nice name.

01:05:52.260 I'm not...

01:05:53.260 You know, I have friends who've married guys with horrible last names.

01:05:54.260 I'm porn star.

01:05:55.260 It's kind of weird.

01:05:56.260 I know.

01:05:57.260 Just like your last girlfriend.

01:05:58.260 When you get married, you want to keep your father's last name?

01:06:00.260 No.

01:06:01.260 No, you wouldn't.

01:06:02.260 I don't know about it.

01:06:03.260 Unless the last name makes my name really cool.

01:06:05.260 Unless the last name is really awesome, I like the way my last name sounds.

01:06:08.260 Yeah.

01:06:09.260 I like my last name, too.

01:06:10.260 Doesn't that feel like you're not really getting married, then?

01:06:12.260 No.

01:06:13.260 You're not really forming a new family.

01:06:14.260 No, I mean, if you're devoted to each other in every way possible, I don't think my last

01:06:17.260 name is going to affect me.

01:06:18.260 My last name is going to affect me.

01:06:19.260 Yeah.

01:06:20.260 Your name is very...

01:06:21.260 It's what you are called.

01:06:22.260 It's how you're identified in the world.

01:06:23.260 The last name is not what I'm called.

01:06:24.260 Can I ask you a question?

01:06:25.260 Mm-hmm.

01:06:26.260 So then if you have kids, right, are they going to take your husband's last name, or yours, or you're

01:06:31.260 hyphenate it?

01:06:32.260 Do you don't want kids?

01:06:33.260 No.

01:06:34.260 Why not?

01:06:35.260 Because I just don't want to bring kids into the world right now, or any time from the

01:06:39.260 way the world's looking.

01:06:40.260 The world's always looking bad.

01:06:42.260 I know.

01:06:43.260 It's been looking bad for thousands of years.

01:06:44.260 But you got born, aren't you happy about that?

01:06:45.260 We were around.

01:06:46.260 We were around.

01:06:47.260 You're not happy about that?

01:06:48.260 No.

01:06:49.260 I don't believe...

01:06:50.260 You're smiling.

01:06:51.260 I don't believe that for a second.

01:06:52.260 No, I'm not happy about it.

01:06:53.260 That's really sad to hear.

01:06:54.260 That's very...

01:06:55.260 I don't believe that for a second, though.

01:06:56.260 There's pros and cons, but I mean, I just...

01:06:57.260 I don't know.

01:06:58.260 I think it's a very...

01:06:59.260 I mean, being a parent's a very serious thing.

01:07:01.260 I don't feel like a lot of people take it serious enough, and I feel like there's a

01:07:03.260 lot of kids in this world who have bad parents, or who are dealing with trauma from parents,

01:07:08.260 and it's affecting the way these people are raised, and the people in our community,

01:07:13.260 and how they come out.

01:07:14.260 And I just don't want to be at fault for giving a kid a kid a kid in life.

01:07:18.260 No, you sound like him, though.

01:07:19.260 Now you're all doing this thing where you're like, I don't want any responsibility.

01:07:22.260 No, no, no.

01:07:23.260 I would, like, if it happens, it happens, but I'm not, like, planning on having kids.

01:07:27.260 I mean, she'd also adopt if she feels like she needs kids.

01:07:29.260 Yeah.

01:07:30.260 I feel like I would adopt before I actually have a kid.

01:07:32.260 Wait until she's, like, 35, and she'll feel...

01:07:35.260 I don't want to, yeah.

01:07:36.260 Also, birth...

01:07:37.260 You guys want to adopt over having your own.

01:07:39.260 Why?

01:07:40.260 Like, giving birth is scary.

01:07:41.260 I don't know, because I feel like there's so many kids out there.

01:07:43.260 There's a lot of kids, but, like, so then, are you going to adopt someone of your own

01:07:46.260 culture, or are you going to, like, branch out?

01:07:49.260 So, I don't know, if I were to adopt, it...

01:07:52.260 We're not adopting.

01:07:53.260 Oh.

01:07:54.260 She's divorcing you after this.

01:07:55.260 She is.

01:07:56.260 Yeah, I told you, I'm divorcing you after this.

01:07:58.260 I'm taking half your podcast.

01:08:00.260 So...

01:08:01.260 Who are you taking?

01:08:03.260 Who?

01:08:04.260 If you're getting half the podcast, who do you take with you?

01:08:06.260 Very true.

01:08:07.260 Eric.

01:08:08.260 I'm taking Eric.

01:08:10.260 Eric deserves better.

01:08:14.260 Okay, good times.

01:08:17.260 Just the last thing on the marriage thing, and we'll get to some of the Super Chats.

01:08:20.260 So, I guess kind of one of my qualms with marriage is, you know, people don't really

01:08:29.260 commit anymore.

01:08:30.260 Evidenced by, well, generally speaking, obviously, people have healthy marriages that work out

01:08:36.260 and go the distance, but, you know, the vows that you say when you get married, till death

01:08:42.260 do us part, that has to mean something.

01:08:46.260 If your words mean nothing, then...

01:08:49.260 Like, for me, if I get married, if I were to get married, that is for life.

01:08:53.260 What do you mean?

01:08:54.260 We just got married.

01:08:55.260 Yeah, you're already divorcing me.

01:08:56.260 Hello?

01:08:57.260 Well, Cece, you would be part of a good change.

01:08:58.260 Hello?

01:08:59.260 I do have a skateboard, by the way.

01:09:00.260 Oh, God.

01:09:01.260 Oh.

01:09:02.260 You should see the trucks.

01:09:03.260 They're proper.

01:09:04.260 Can you do any tricks on it?

01:09:06.260 It's been a minute since I've...

01:09:08.260 This is why she's divorcing you, Brian.

01:09:10.260 Hey, oh, here's a good question.

01:09:11.260 Do you know what a mall grab is?

01:09:13.260 I do.

01:09:14.260 Do you know what a mall grab is?

01:09:15.260 Do you know what a mall grab is?

01:09:16.260 Is it an Ollie?

01:09:17.260 Yeah.

01:09:18.260 What's a mall grab?

01:09:19.260 Isn't it where you, like, you kick off it and then you jump in, you grab it in the

01:09:22.260 air?

01:09:23.260 Yeah, you...

01:09:24.260 Tatum, you like skater boys and you don't even know these terms?

01:09:26.260 A mall grab is when you grab, when you're carrying the skateboard, you don't grab by the

01:09:31.260 trucks.

01:09:32.260 Oh, yeah, they make fun of kids.

01:09:33.260 Yeah, posers do that.

01:09:34.260 Posers.

01:09:35.260 Like, you're walking around the mall with your skateboard, but you don't skateboard, so you grab it by

01:09:39.260 the trucks.

01:09:40.260 That's called a mall grab.

01:09:41.260 Do you know what a ram tramp is?

01:09:43.260 Sounds like a setup.

01:09:44.260 Yeah.

01:09:45.260 I know.

01:09:46.260 But, no, the vows you make when you get married, till death do us part, to me, that has to

01:09:52.260 actually mean something.

01:09:54.260 And, you know, perhaps I'm a bit pessimistic, but when I see the divorce rate, it makes

01:10:01.260 me take pause and I think, look, how many of these people that are getting married have

01:10:07.260 the best intentions in mind and they love this person and they think, I'm going to spend

01:10:10.260 the rest of my life with this person, and then one, two, three years down the road the

01:10:14.260 marriage is done.

01:10:17.260 Are your parents divorced?

01:10:18.260 Are your parents divorced?

01:10:19.260 No, they're actually, they're still together.

01:10:21.260 They had a terrible marriage?

01:10:22.260 No, they're happily married.

01:10:24.260 So where's this example?

01:10:25.260 It's common for you.

01:10:26.260 My parents have a very healthy relationship.

01:10:28.260 They're still married.

01:10:29.260 Actually, that's a picture of them right there.

01:10:32.260 Them two right there.

01:10:33.260 That's a great picture.

01:10:34.260 Don't you want that?

01:10:35.260 Yeah, don't you want that?

01:10:36.260 I do, but I have to be, I guess, realistic about the current, hold on, I have to be realistic

01:10:41.260 about the current dating landscape, and Michael, how long have you been married?

01:10:46.260 I've been married now five years, coming up on five years.

01:10:49.260 Oh, it's a shit show out there.

01:10:51.260 No, look.

01:10:52.260 It's a shit show.

01:10:53.260 I missed dating apps.

01:10:54.260 I got back together with my then girlfriend.

01:10:56.260 They're terrible.

01:10:57.260 Yeah, they seem horrible, so I just missed it.

01:11:00.260 So that would be hard, especially if I were a single guy and I were living in dating

01:11:04.260 app culture, and I just knew there were always just, there's always going to be some hotter,

01:11:11.260 I don't know, like checker, hotter, younger, wanderer, whatever, like girl, right?

01:11:17.260 Sure.

01:11:18.260 But you're from here or you're not from here?

01:11:20.260 I'm from New York originally.

01:11:21.260 You're from New York.

01:11:22.260 Okay, it's even better.

01:11:23.260 And you said you've known your wife since you were 10?

01:11:25.260 Yes, yes.

01:11:26.260 So, I mean, you've known her since you were 10.

01:11:28.260 You've been single between those times.

01:11:31.260 You've seen multiple women.

01:11:33.260 You've seen everybody out there.

01:11:34.260 You had your time to explore and you basically learned that maybe there's not better and

01:11:41.260 that's why you're with your wife.

01:11:43.260 Yes, but that's kind of like the modern lib thing is you've got to split up and do your

01:11:47.260 own thing.

01:11:48.260 I don't believe that either.

01:11:49.260 Yeah, I think it was BS.

01:11:51.260 There was so much cultural pressure when my wife and I, a sweet little Elisa, when we

01:11:56.260 were in high school, they said, oh, you've got to split for college.

01:11:59.260 You'd be crazy to date your girlfriend and your high school girlfriend in college.

01:12:02.260 And then by the end of college, we're like, why the hell did we break up?

01:12:05.260 That was crazy.

01:12:06.260 We should have gotten married at 18, pumped out like a dozen kids, gone to move to a

01:12:10.260 farm and grown a big beard.

01:12:11.260 Yeah, I didn't see all that.

01:12:12.260 Sam, can you push your microphone that closer towards you?

01:12:15.260 Yeah.

01:12:16.260 I don't believe in you.

01:12:17.260 Sorry to cut you off.

01:12:18.260 I was talking about how I should have been Amish, you know, and Amish, you know, like sort

01:12:23.260 of not fully all the way, but something like that.

01:12:25.260 Yeah.

01:12:26.260 I think it would have been since you guys knew each other at 10, 18.

01:12:30.260 Isn't that insane?

01:12:31.260 That's already eight years.

01:12:32.260 It's almost you guys would have known each other for basically half your lives at that

01:12:35.260 point.

01:12:36.260 So that's not insane for me.

01:12:37.260 I feel like it's insane when I see like 18 to probably 22 year olds getting married

01:12:42.260 when they just they're getting engaged within a year of meeting somebody.

01:12:46.260 And it's like I feel very, very strongly about my boyfriend.

01:12:50.260 So, so strongly.

01:12:51.260 But I still know would not be the smartest decision to get engaged six months from now.

01:12:56.260 Like when you say like the divorce rates are 50 percent, it's like I'm sure there is some

01:13:00.260 people who are blindsided in those relationships.

01:13:03.260 But I bet a good part of those relationships that end in divorce are people who got together

01:13:08.260 who either a already knew it wasn't going to probably work out.

01:13:11.260 B got married just because either someone was pregnant or C they were forced into it

01:13:16.260 and they are waiting till marriage or something.

01:13:18.260 So they just get married young.

01:13:19.260 I feel like a lot of those people, both parties going into it kind of already knowing this

01:13:24.260 isn't going to work out.

01:13:25.260 How long have you been dating?

01:13:26.260 Not long at all.

01:13:27.260 We've known each other since September.

01:13:28.260 We've only been exclusively dating since January.

01:13:30.260 So it's been very, very, very brief, but I've never I've been in two, two year, two

01:13:36.260 and a half year long relationships, one, one year long relationship.

01:13:39.260 And I've never felt this way.

01:13:41.260 Definitely about anybody before.

01:13:42.260 So I know the difference now.

01:13:44.260 And that's also why I've said before, like some things I've said before have changed.

01:13:48.260 Before I thought I needed to be single to have fun and vacation or explore things.

01:13:52.260 But now I know I don't need that.

01:13:54.260 I would rather him be there.

01:13:56.260 Last thing on the marriage thing.

01:13:57.260 Kind of the other reason why I'm hesitant is because my fiance wants to hyphenate our last

01:14:04.260 names.

01:14:05.260 So that's another issue there.

01:14:07.260 Let's move on from that.

01:14:08.260 By the way, you didn't introduce yourself as Wish.

01:14:11.260 Ariana Grande from Wish or Great Value.

01:14:14.260 Or Walmart.

01:14:15.260 Yeah, Walmart.

01:14:16.260 Whatever you prefer.

01:14:17.260 Next time.

01:14:18.260 We'll get it next time.

01:14:19.260 I forgot.

01:14:20.260 So let me see here.

01:14:21.260 We had.

01:14:22.260 Chiara Grande.

01:14:23.260 Would you guys date.

01:14:26.260 So we have a political commentator on the show.

01:14:28.260 And he's part of the Daily Wire network and which which is a more conservative company.

01:14:34.260 Would you guys date a conservative?

01:14:36.260 Let's start with you.

01:14:38.260 Yes.

01:14:39.260 I'm sorry.

01:14:40.260 Yes.

01:14:41.260 Okay.

01:14:42.260 Obviously.

01:14:43.260 Yeah.

01:14:44.260 I mean, yes.

01:14:45.260 Sure.

01:14:46.260 I mean.

01:14:47.260 Okay.

01:14:48.260 You don't sound very enthusiastic about it.

01:14:50.260 I'm just saying.

01:14:51.260 I don't think that would be a deal breaker for me.

01:14:53.260 If I like you, if I fall in love with you, that's not going to be something that's going

01:14:56.260 to stop me.

01:14:57.260 Yeah.

01:14:58.260 But I mean, you're going to find out they're a conservative before you fall in love with

01:15:00.260 them though.

01:15:01.260 Yeah.

01:15:02.260 Unless you're just falling in love at first sight or something.

01:15:04.260 I mean, I feel like that's something that gets brought up before you fall in love.

01:15:07.260 Yeah.

01:15:08.260 I mean.

01:15:09.260 So would you even date a conservative to begin with?

01:15:10.260 I feel like it's better.

01:15:12.260 Yeah.

01:15:13.260 Probably.

01:15:14.260 Yes.

01:15:15.260 I don't think that would stop me.

01:15:16.260 I don't think that's a deal breaker for me.

01:15:18.260 I think relationships and still work.

01:15:19.260 I've seen a lot of relationships where there's a one conservative and one more liberal person.

01:15:25.260 I think it depends on how conservative they are or like how much they let the politics

01:15:30.260 get like get into their life, like how much it affects them.

01:15:33.260 What if the guy's super conservative, like super duper makes Francisco Franco look like

01:15:38.260 a huge Democrat, but.

01:15:40.260 I don't think they know who that is.

01:15:42.260 Or yeah, makes like.

01:15:43.260 Who is that by the way?

01:15:44.260 Who is that by the way?

01:15:45.260 Francisco Franco is a strong man in Spain for many decades.

01:15:48.260 Oh, during World War II.

01:15:49.260 After World War II.

01:15:50.260 Or after, okay.

01:15:51.260 Yeah.

01:15:52.260 So, okay.

01:15:53.260 You know, makes, I don't know, makes Trump look like a big lib or something, but he's

01:15:58.260 not always talking about his politics.

01:16:01.260 He just happens to be very conservative.

01:16:03.260 And the dictator of Spain.

01:16:04.260 And the dictator of Spain.

01:16:05.260 Does he like.

01:16:06.260 I mean, I feel like if you are like that, your actions are going to be very conservative.

01:16:10.260 Well, you mean like have a family, have a, hold a steady job.

01:16:14.260 Or just the way he treats people.

01:16:15.260 And the way that be a human.

01:16:16.260 Yeah, be like super respectful to people.

01:16:18.260 In their actions.

01:16:19.260 I feel like if he's making Donald Trump look like a lib, I feel like his interactions with

01:16:23.260 people wouldn't be very respectful.

01:16:24.260 Yeah, it'd be very funny.

01:16:25.260 It'd be really charming.

01:16:26.260 I mean, it might be funny to watch, but.

01:16:27.260 Be very attractive to women.

01:16:28.260 Yeah.

01:16:29.260 Probably not.

01:16:30.260 No.

01:16:31.260 I feel like being on too much of any side.

01:16:32.260 Yeah.

01:16:33.260 Is not going to be.

01:16:34.260 I.

01:16:35.260 Don't you think if you stand in the middle of the road, you might get hit by a truck?

01:16:37.260 No.

01:16:38.260 I.

01:16:39.260 Have you ever stood in the middle of a road?

01:16:40.260 Not in that sense.

01:16:41.260 I think you can have views on both sides.

01:16:44.260 I agree.

01:16:45.260 I agree.

01:16:46.260 That's a dumb analogy.

01:16:47.260 I feel like you do.

01:16:48.260 Me?

01:16:49.260 No, I'm.

01:16:50.260 I am extremely conservative.

01:16:51.260 I consider myself very moderate because moderation is a virtue.

01:16:54.260 But there's no issue on which I hold the liberal position.

01:16:58.260 So like I would date someone who's conservative, but I wouldn't date a trumpet.

01:17:02.260 No.

01:17:03.260 That's weird.

01:17:04.260 Yeah.

01:17:05.260 Someone who I would date, I would hope isn't still fetishizing a president who hasn't been

01:17:10.260 in office now for almost who knows how long.

01:17:13.260 Well, let's say kind of.

01:17:14.260 Just like I wouldn't date somebody who had, even though I feel like it is a little bit

01:17:17.260 different in a sense because it was the first black president, but still I wouldn't want

01:17:20.260 to date somebody who still had Obama flags and propaganda, whatever, up anywhere.

01:17:25.260 I feel like that's weird.

01:17:26.260 Let's move on.

01:17:27.260 If it's the next, if he has something representing the next Republican candidate, sure, he's

01:17:33.260 representing who he wants to vote for.

01:17:35.260 But somebody who's been out of office, to lie and say there is not an agenda behind what's

01:17:41.260 going on there, I think is very naive.

01:17:44.260 So no, yeah, I wouldn't date somebody who's Trump flag still, Trump 2020, whatever at

01:17:49.260 this point.

01:17:50.260 No.

01:17:51.260 But if you are conservative, yeah.

01:17:53.260 You want to vote Republican?

01:17:54.260 Who cares?

01:17:55.260 But you say just not, you just can't be too conservative.

01:17:57.260 Like just what she was saying, how it's like when you're too far in either spectrum is

01:18:02.260 just very bad.

01:18:03.260 But don't you think, I mean, people who have a coherent view of politics, it's one thing

01:18:08.260 is going to lead to another thing, right?

01:18:10.260 If you're, let's say you're pro-life, you know, you don't think that abortion should

01:18:14.260 be allowed.

01:18:15.260 That's going to bleed into your thoughts on marriage and divorce and raising children.

01:18:19.260 That might even bleed over into your thoughts on taxes and education.

01:18:22.260 So it's all going to kind of come together of a piece, right?

01:18:25.260 And same thing if you're super liberal.

01:18:28.260 All those issues are going to kind of roll off one from the other.

01:18:31.260 But I feel like you could still find a good middle ground.

01:18:34.260 I mean, like, I'm okay with people owning guns, but there's certain other things I probably

01:18:39.260 wouldn't be okay with that conservatives are okay.

01:18:41.260 Like, I'm not pro-life.

01:18:43.260 Yeah.

01:18:44.260 Not yet.

01:18:45.260 I won't change.

01:18:46.260 I was young once.

01:18:47.260 I will not change my mind.

01:18:48.260 You won't.

01:18:49.260 That's what I said.

01:18:50.260 But then I got convinced.

01:18:51.260 I just, there's no way I'd be convinced to change my mind.

01:18:54.260 I'd be convinced to change my mind on that.

01:18:55.260 Yeah.

01:18:56.260 No.

01:18:57.260 Have you ever thought there's something I'll never do and then you did it?

01:19:00.260 I'm sure.

01:19:01.260 But like, I know for this, I will not change my opinion.

01:19:04.260 Really quick show of hands.

01:19:06.260 Who, who here would date someone who's pro-life?

01:19:09.260 Honestly, I probably wouldn't.

01:19:10.260 I mean, I don't.

01:19:11.260 It's such a hard question.

01:19:12.260 That's a hard question.

01:19:13.260 Yeah.

01:19:14.260 Yeah.

01:19:15.260 Of course, it's a good question.

01:19:16.260 That's a hard stop.

01:19:17.260 You wouldn't date a guy if that guy said, I don't want to kill your child.

01:19:22.260 No, I would date the guy.

01:19:23.260 I think there's different than being pro-life.

01:19:25.260 Yeah.

01:19:26.260 It's just that.

01:19:27.260 That's very different.

01:19:28.260 What's the difference?

01:19:29.260 I think the problem for me is that I own my body.

01:19:30.260 I own my body.

01:19:31.260 I'll give you some.

01:19:32.260 You don't own your body.

01:19:33.260 I own my body.

01:19:34.260 What makes you say you own your body?

01:19:36.260 Because I have my body and I take care of it.

01:19:38.260 Well, you are part of your body.

01:19:39.260 Yes.

01:19:40.260 You're part of your body and you're part of your soul, but you don't own that.

01:19:42.260 You didn't.

01:19:43.260 So who owned it?

01:19:44.260 Yeah, so who owned it?

01:19:45.260 Let me just interrupt you.

01:19:46.260 If you believe that God owns it, you all believe, but it's not mine.

01:19:48.260 But you can't bring religion into, you cannot bring religion into politics.

01:19:52.260 No, there's only one universe and it happens to be true in that universe.

01:19:56.260 In my universe, it's not true.

01:19:58.260 I have my own set of beliefs.

01:20:00.260 Well, in your universe, you could pretend to be a bug with 17 arms.

01:20:02.260 It doesn't make it true.

01:20:03.260 But, Michael, you can't bring religion into politics.

01:20:05.260 Well, you have to bring religion into politics.

01:20:07.260 No.

01:20:08.260 All politics is religious.

01:20:09.260 I mean, you can take it into a factor, but you cannot let it set politics.

01:20:11.260 No, it has to.

01:20:12.260 It has to.

01:20:13.260 Why not?

01:20:14.260 Because there's so many different religions.

01:20:15.260 It's just like you can't cater to one, being Catholic.

01:20:18.260 You can't cater to just Catholicism.

01:20:20.260 Why not?

01:20:21.260 Because you have people in the United States who are not just Catholic.

01:20:24.260 Hold on.

01:20:25.260 Let me just interrupt really quick and then I'll let you respond.

01:20:27.260 So, just one thing.

01:20:30.260 This is a hot button political issue.

01:20:33.260 Michael's conservative.

01:20:34.260 I think you guys probably have a different stance on abortion.

01:20:37.260 I'm happy to talk about it, but I want everyone to try to keep it.

01:20:42.260 People have very strong opinions on this.

01:20:44.260 So, let's hopefully just keep it respectful.

01:20:47.260 Let's have a debate.

01:20:48.260 Let's engage in a, hopefully, a fruitful debate or not fruitful debate.

01:20:51.260 But let's just keep it polite.

01:20:54.260 And I think Michael is probably prepared to make pro-life arguments that are not based in religion.

01:21:01.260 Well, I think everything's based in religion.

01:21:03.260 Well, he was just making...

01:21:04.260 He was just making...

01:21:05.260 I think ultimately everything's...

01:21:06.260 Because if you're...

01:21:07.260 Right now...

01:21:08.260 But what if I'm non-religious?

01:21:09.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:10.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:11.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:12.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:13.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:14.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:15.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:16.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:17.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:18.260 Can I ask you?

01:21:19.260 Well, because certain things are true and certain things are false.

01:21:23.260 So, like for instance, if I said right now, hey, is it better to bake a pie for a widow

01:21:31.260 or kick a little baby in the head?

01:21:34.260 Would you say one of those things is better than the other thing?

01:21:37.260 You can't compare them because you're taking things out of context.

01:21:40.260 But I'm just asking, would you look at that situation and say, you have two choices here.

01:21:43.260 You can either bake a pie for the widow down the street or you can kick that little baby in the head.

01:21:49.260 Would you say one of those things is better or worse than the other one?

01:21:52.260 Yeah, probably.

01:21:53.260 Yeah.

01:21:54.260 So, if you're gonna make a claim that something is better or worse as a moral question, then

01:22:00.260 you are now taking recourse to religion because that's a religious view.

01:22:04.260 So, how is me making a claim about like having an abortion and pro-life?

01:22:10.260 Obviously, I feel like if you're having an abortion, it's not a good thing.

01:22:12.260 Like I don't think it's something that should be romanticized.

01:22:14.260 I don't think it's like a good thing.

01:22:16.260 I feel like it's sad that you even have to go out to that point, but it should be there

01:22:19.260 for women if they need it.

01:22:21.260 Why?

01:22:22.260 If it's not a good thing, then why?

01:22:23.260 No one needs it.

01:22:24.260 Because there's other things that are not a good thing.

01:22:25.260 Birth control is not a good thing either.

01:22:26.260 I agree.

01:22:27.260 Yeah.

01:22:28.260 And we have it, but it makes me need it.

01:22:29.260 Well, I mean-

01:22:30.260 Having sex before marriage is not a good thing for society, but we have it.

01:22:32.260 Right, but we shouldn't.

01:22:33.260 So, you're gonna ban it.

01:22:34.260 But you just shouldn't do it.

01:22:35.260 Drugs are not a good thing, but we have it.

01:22:36.260 It's good for the economy.

01:22:37.260 Right, you also shouldn't do that.

01:22:38.260 I'm just saying there's so many things.

01:22:39.260 I agree with your viewpoint, and I know you're very passionate about your viewpoint.

01:22:45.260 I'm very passionate about it.

01:22:46.260 But I think we're going a wrong way about the whole conversation.

01:22:50.260 I agree.

01:22:51.260 Because you're saying that's just wrong, but we have to talk about how can we prevent

01:22:56.260 that from happening in the first place.

01:22:58.260 What happens to a 14-year-old girl who gets raped, for example?

01:23:02.260 How would we prevent that?

01:23:03.260 It's terrible.

01:23:04.260 I think we have to talk about-

01:23:05.260 How do you prevent rape?

01:23:06.260 Well, how do we talk about people with mental issues?

01:23:10.260 We have to talk about just bettering.

01:23:13.260 Are you doing something to better that?

01:23:15.260 Yeah, well, the way to prevent rape would be to get tougher on crime, and it would be

01:23:19.260 to circumscribe certain sexual behaviors, right?

01:23:23.260 I would say probably stop encouraging a hookup culture that makes it a little bit easier.

01:23:28.260 So you can do all sorts of things like that.

01:23:30.260 And then what do you do for a young woman who's already pregnant?

01:23:33.260 What do you do?

01:23:34.260 Well, the crime has already happened.

01:23:37.260 So if she gets an abortion or she doesn't get an abortion, that's not going to change

01:23:40.260 the fact that she was raped.

01:23:41.260 For example, you can maybe create a foundation that will help the woman to fund the baby.

01:23:48.260 Yeah, crisis pregnancy centers.

01:23:49.260 They're great, great organizations all over.

01:23:51.260 Are they accessible to people?

01:23:53.260 Yes, everywhere.

01:23:54.260 Well, that's good.

01:23:55.260 I mean, I don't know if it's a hard issue.

01:23:57.260 I don't know if it's a hard issue.

01:23:58.260 They totally are.

01:23:59.260 Okay, you-

01:24:00.260 Tell me where you are.

01:24:01.260 I'll get you an organization.

01:24:02.260 So you gave me a look while I was over there.

01:24:04.260 What's up?

01:24:05.260 I was just wondering what you were doing.

01:24:07.260 Oh, I had to go to the bathroom and I got an ice pack.

01:24:10.260 For what?

01:24:11.260 Neck pain.

01:24:12.260 I got an old man over here, I've got arthritis or something.

01:24:17.260 So you also looked at me, Kiko, and you wanted to, why don't you and Michael have a little

01:24:24.260 debate on this?

01:24:25.260 Well, Kiko and I agree.

01:24:26.260 Oh.

01:24:27.260 I think we agree.

01:24:28.260 On what?

01:24:29.260 On pretty much everything.

01:24:30.260 No.

01:24:31.260 No?

01:24:32.260 No.

01:24:33.260 What do we disagree on?

01:24:34.260 I'm pro-choice through and through.

01:24:36.260 I'll never change.

01:24:37.260 I will never waver.

01:24:38.260 Yeah.

01:24:39.260 Not a single thing.

01:24:40.260 I could be seen.

01:24:41.260 Said to me anything.

01:24:43.260 I'm not changing my opinions.

01:24:44.260 We might as well not even debate on it because it doesn't seem like he's changing his opinion

01:24:47.260 either.

01:24:48.260 But I did change my opinion because I used to be-

01:24:50.260 So you're willing to change back your opinion?

01:24:52.260 Well, I'm-

01:24:53.260 In the face of-

01:24:54.260 You don't sound 100% true to what you believe.

01:24:55.260 I am, so I know I'm not going to change it.

01:24:57.260 No, I just-

01:24:58.260 So we can then if you want to debate if you think you can possibly change back.

01:25:00.260 In the face of compelling evidence, I could change any opinion.

01:25:03.260 One thing really quick.

01:25:04.260 Me too, usually, but then some things you're just set in stone on and this is one of those

01:25:07.260 things I've said, so-

01:25:08.260 Is it maybe because you're afraid that you'll find compelling evidence that would convince

01:25:10.260 you otherwise?

01:25:11.260 So one thing really quick.

01:25:12.260 I just know it's dumb to debate things I'm not willing to change your opinion on.

01:25:13.260 Are you guys comfortable having this conversation?

01:25:16.260 Yeah, go ahead.

01:25:17.260 Oh, you guys are fine?

01:25:18.260 So beyond comfortable.

01:25:19.260 Yeah.

01:25:20.260 Oh, beyond comfortable.

01:25:21.260 Yeah, let's have it.

01:25:22.260 Ooh.

01:25:23.260 So fun.

01:25:24.260 Okay, because some people don't like talking about this sort of stuff, but it's so long as you

01:25:26.260 guys are fine having a little debate, I think.

01:25:30.260 The great thing about debate is that you can kind of, it can help you reaffirm your position

01:25:37.260 or perhaps challenge your position.

01:25:39.260 I mean, I'm always open to new things and I want to keep learning, but I'm just saying

01:25:44.260 I'm pretty, I agree with Kiko on being very strong on this one.

01:25:47.260 Yeah.

01:25:48.260 Yeah.

01:25:49.260 So then what if we have a debate for the fun of it?

01:25:50.260 How's that sound?

01:25:51.260 That's what I'm saying.

01:25:52.260 Fun.

01:25:53.260 Okay.

01:25:54.260 Let's do it.

01:25:55.260 Fun.

01:25:56.260 Go ahead.

01:25:57.260 Why is this the one issue that you wouldn't change your mind on?

01:25:58.260 Because I feel like the research is already done.

01:26:00.260 We've already taken away the law, put it back.

01:26:03.260 We've already seen the negatives and positives from it.

01:26:05.260 So why are we repeating history?

01:26:08.260 We've already done this multiple times now.

01:26:10.260 What law?

01:26:11.260 When we banned abortion back in what was in 1960.

01:26:15.260 Roe v. Wade?

01:26:16.260 Yeah, Roe v. Wade.

01:26:17.260 Well, Roe v. Wade created a constitutional right to abortion.

01:26:20.260 Yes.

01:26:21.260 So that's what it opened up.

01:26:22.260 Yes, but before then.

01:26:23.260 Before then, abortion was illegal in most places.

01:26:25.260 Yeah.

01:26:26.260 Yes.

01:26:27.260 And then now we saw because the reason why that happened, well, there's honestly multiple

01:26:31.260 reasons why some of it does stem in racism as well.

01:26:35.260 You mean because most black babies in New York are aborted and not born.

01:26:41.260 That would be racist, right?

01:26:43.260 No, I mean because the issue was, the reason why we're getting back here is because the

01:26:51.260 most people having, not the most people, the majority, the highest percentage of people

01:26:55.260 having abortions are African American women or minority women in general.

01:26:58.260 Right, right.

01:26:59.260 The majority of black babies in New York City are being killed.

01:27:01.260 The most dangerous place for a black person in New York City is in his mother's womb.

01:27:05.260 That's very racist.

01:27:06.260 I agree.

01:27:07.260 And Planned Parenthood targets the black.

01:27:08.260 Can we not be calling them babies?

01:27:10.260 Yeah.

01:27:11.260 What should I call them?

01:27:12.260 They're fetuses.

01:27:13.260 Do you know what the word fetus means?

01:27:15.260 Yeah.

01:27:16.260 Embryo?

01:27:17.260 Well, is that better?

01:27:19.260 Embryo is another term, but the word fetus is a Latin word that means offspring.

01:27:22.260 So it means baby.

01:27:23.260 Isn't like the, I don't know, I think it's in Freakonomics that they wrote about the fact

01:27:28.260 that Roy and Wade decrees the crime rate in New York.

01:27:31.260 Yeah.

01:27:32.260 This was an argument that was really compelling to me.

01:27:34.260 I actually made this argument to a bioethicist who was, she was very pro.

01:27:38.260 Bronte.

01:27:39.260 Not Bronte.

01:27:40.260 I wouldn't say she was the top bioethicist I talked to.

01:27:42.260 But I made this argument.

01:27:44.260 I said, well, no, I'm really in favor of abortion because the Freakonomics book told

01:27:49.260 me that it decreases the crime rate if you abort these babies.

01:27:53.260 And she said, cool, Michael.

01:27:55.260 Which of those arguments is not also an argument for killing young black men in the inner cities,

01:28:00.260 age 18 to 25?

01:28:02.260 And the problem is...

01:28:03.260 They have life.

01:28:05.260 Well, the babies have life.

01:28:06.260 They don't.

01:28:07.260 You call it fetus.

01:28:08.260 No, they have life.

01:28:09.260 No.

01:28:10.260 They have life experiences.

01:28:11.260 They have no...

01:28:12.260 How are you alive if you have no memories?

01:28:14.260 Consciousness.

01:28:15.260 You have no conscious.

01:28:16.260 How are you a living, breathing thing if you have no conscious?

01:28:18.260 Should you be able to kill somebody who's in a coma, who's unconscious?

01:28:21.260 Honestly, yeah.

01:28:22.260 If I was a vegetable, why are we having people on ventilators who are vegetables for years?

01:28:25.260 Honestly, my true opinion, yes, they should be dead, too.

01:28:27.260 Yeah, I agree with that.

01:28:28.260 Pull the fucking plug.

01:28:29.260 Even if you could come out of the coma at some point?

01:28:30.260 What?

01:28:31.260 Because people can be in a coma for years and then come out of the coma.

01:28:33.260 Yeah.

01:28:34.260 But you think just kill them anyway?

01:28:35.260 Honestly, if you're going to be on a ventilator for six...

01:28:37.260 But the thing is, are you vegan?

01:28:38.260 Yeah.

01:28:39.260 Are you vegetarian?

01:28:40.260 Do you really care that much about life?

01:28:41.260 No.

01:28:42.260 I'm talking about human life.

01:28:43.260 So, are you going to be a foster parent?

01:28:44.260 Just because we have a higher conscious, we're better than these things?

01:28:45.260 No.

01:28:46.260 What?

01:28:47.260 Because man is the only rational animal.

01:28:49.260 So, man, unlike lower animals, we have a rational will.

01:28:53.260 So, what I'm saying?

01:28:54.260 Yeah.

01:28:55.260 Because we're more rational, we have a higher...

01:28:56.260 So, consciousness, that's what makes the difference.

01:28:58.260 Yeah, which I just said.

01:28:59.260 No, but the rational soul is not merely the expression of one's conscious decision.

01:29:02.260 I just feel like you shouldn't call it pro-life because I don't really think you're

01:29:04.260 pro-life.

01:29:05.260 Maybe you're pro...

01:29:06.260 Even broccoli screams when you pull it from the ground.

01:29:09.260 I agree.

01:29:10.260 I agree.

01:29:11.260 Yeah.

01:29:12.260 No, I mean, ultimately the image, because you brought up religion, ultimately the reason

01:29:15.260 is because man is made in the image and likeness of God.

01:29:17.260 Right?

01:29:18.260 That's why man is religion.

01:29:19.260 So, once again, it's religion for you.

01:29:20.260 That's your main argument.

01:29:21.260 But everything ultimately is religious because that's the fundamental...

01:29:23.260 What if I'm not religious?

01:29:24.260 I don't believe in that.

01:29:25.260 Well, everybody's religious in some...

01:29:26.260 No.

01:29:27.260 No.

01:29:28.260 Well, you just admitted that you believe some things are better than other things.

01:29:31.260 How does that have to do with religion?

01:29:33.260 That's a moral view.

01:29:34.260 That's a moral high ground.

01:29:35.260 Yeah, but it has nothing to do with it.

01:29:36.260 So, where does your morality derive from?

01:29:37.260 The universe.

01:29:38.260 Spirituality.

01:29:39.260 I don't need a religion to tell me what's good or bad.

01:29:41.260 I just...

01:29:42.260 It's common sense most of the time, what's good or bad, not from God telling me.

01:29:45.260 Yep.

01:29:46.260 Where does that common sense come from?

01:29:47.260 Like, you weren't just...

01:29:48.260 I feel like from the time I was able to have any belief, I didn't need somebody to

01:29:53.260 tell me it's wrong for me to kill somebody.

01:29:55.260 I didn't need somebody to tell me it's wrong if I steal this from somebody.

01:29:58.260 And I was an only child, too.

01:29:59.260 Yes, but I...

01:30:00.260 So, I didn't need to be taught that.

01:30:01.260 That's just something that my brain was like...

01:30:03.260 It's like a common sense thing.

01:30:04.260 Right.

01:30:05.260 That's called your moral conscience.

01:30:06.260 And because you have rational...

01:30:07.260 And I didn't need God to do that.

01:30:08.260 It was just me being a human.

01:30:10.260 Well, you're...

01:30:11.260 God gave you your moral conscience and created the moral...

01:30:12.260 That's what you think.

01:30:13.260 That's what you think.

01:30:14.260 That's what you think.

01:30:15.260 But furthermore, you do have someone now telling you a view of right and wrong.

01:30:18.260 Me.

01:30:19.260 That it's different than the one that you have.

01:30:20.260 Me.

01:30:21.260 No, no, no.

01:30:22.260 Me.

01:30:23.260 My brain.

01:30:24.260 My subconscious tells me.

01:30:25.260 But you also have me telling you.

01:30:26.260 You also have me telling you.

01:30:27.260 But I don't listen to you.

01:30:28.260 I listen to me.

01:30:29.260 But you might be listening to me.

01:30:30.260 You're listening to me right now.

01:30:31.260 I'm listening to you speak, but I wouldn't listen to anything you do and put it in action.

01:30:34.260 You might.

01:30:35.260 You might.

01:30:36.260 It's a problem.

01:30:37.260 My ears work, yes.

01:30:38.260 But right now...

01:30:39.260 Am I taking it in?

01:30:40.260 You say abortion is fine.

01:30:42.260 When I say abortion is bad.

01:30:43.260 Yes.

01:30:44.260 How do you know which one of us is right?

01:30:45.260 How do you know that you're right?

01:30:46.260 You don't.

01:30:47.260 Because humans know nothing, really.

01:30:48.260 I think I know certain things.

01:30:49.260 Well, I know, but really...

01:30:50.260 Not a lot.

01:30:51.260 I mean, I think the argument where life begins is useless because I don't think based on that

01:30:55.260 you're not going to change someone else's mind.

01:30:57.260 Because everybody has strong beliefs.

01:30:59.260 I think it's...

01:31:00.260 Well, that's a great point.

01:31:01.260 Because it doesn't matter when life begins so much as what life means.

01:31:04.260 Yeah.

01:31:05.260 So it means so many different things to people.

01:31:07.260 So I just think it's useless to argue over that.

01:31:09.260 I think it's better to argue how we can...

01:31:11.260 What we can do in this situation.

01:31:13.260 Because we all agree when life begins.

01:31:14.260 I mean, I...

01:31:15.260 By definition, it's a conception.

01:31:16.260 No, we don't.

01:31:17.260 So...

01:31:18.260 Hold on.

01:31:19.260 Hold on just a sec.

01:31:20.260 Abortion is such a silly issue.

01:31:22.260 Women's issue is with nature slash God.

01:31:24.260 Oh.

01:31:25.260 The idea they can escape consequences and not control every element of sex is the issue.

01:31:30.260 Ironically, women side with the eugenicists that created these schemes and hate them

01:31:34.260 and want them gone.

01:31:36.260 Dig Bic Energy.

01:31:37.260 I mean...

01:31:38.260 Thank you for the 200 TTS.

01:31:39.260 Very true.

01:31:40.260 Yeah.

01:31:41.260 Thank you there.

01:31:42.260 Interesting name you have there.

01:31:43.260 Thank you, man.

01:31:44.260 I think...

01:31:45.260 Go ahead, Kiko.

01:31:46.260 You wanted to...

01:31:47.260 Well, because I agree with what you're saying, but we said we're debating for funds.

01:31:48.260 That's the reason why I'm doing it.

01:31:49.260 Because I know...

01:31:50.260 Whatever.

01:31:51.260 You said, how do I know I'm right?

01:31:52.260 Well, I mean, this is also objective, too.

01:31:53.260 But, like, for me, like, I know I'm right because, like, every state with the most educated

01:31:57.260 people here, like, are still, you know, pro-choice.

01:31:59.260 And, like, the states with, like, you know, not that many educated people usually are the

01:32:04.260 ones that are pro-life.

01:32:05.260 I'm relatively educated, right?

01:32:06.260 I'm not saying you're not.

01:32:07.260 And I'm pro-life.

01:32:08.260 Is New York pro-choice?

01:32:10.260 Is New York...

01:32:11.260 Well, now I live in Tennessee.

01:32:12.260 Yeah.

01:32:13.260 Okay.

01:32:14.260 Tennessee.

01:32:15.260 Oh.

01:32:16.260 No, that makes sense.

01:32:17.260 Do I have to...

01:32:18.260 Yeah.

01:32:19.260 No, I just...

01:32:20.260 If you're saying educated people are not pro-life, I'm relatively educated.

01:32:22.260 I mean, I just feel like if you grab somebody from Tennessee versus if you grab people from

01:32:24.260 California and you find the most...

01:32:26.260 Overall, I feel like the...

01:32:27.260 The majority.

01:32:28.260 Yeah.

01:32:29.260 The majority is going to probably be from California and not from...

01:32:31.260 I mean, Michael's boosting up the average, I think.

01:32:33.260 Bicycle is so small, right?

01:32:35.260 He's one Yale.

01:32:36.260 You throw one Yale in a Tennessee, you're...

01:32:38.260 No, but I also don't have a ton of, you know, respect for people who have all these credentials.

01:32:43.260 I mean, my fellow Yalies believe all sorts of things that are insane.

01:32:47.260 I mean, they don't know the difference between a man and a woman.

01:32:49.260 So, I'm not surprised that they can't tell what life is about, you know.

01:32:52.260 But, also, I feel like I'm just going to set this from the straight, from the start.

01:32:56.260 You and Brian don't really get a say in this because you can't have kids.

01:33:00.260 Oh, no uterus.

01:33:01.260 No, I have two kids.

01:33:02.260 No, did you birth them?

01:33:03.260 Did they come out of your vagina?

01:33:04.260 No, no.

01:33:05.260 But I did help to make them.

01:33:07.260 And the other...

01:33:08.260 Even if I didn't have kids, the other reason I would have some say over this is because I have rational

01:33:12.260 faculties and I can come to conclusions about things that don't involve me.

01:33:17.260 For instance, if I were an oncologist, I wouldn't necessarily need to have cancer to know something about cancer.

01:33:22.260 You can have a say, but you're not going to have the final say.

01:33:26.260 It's not your choice.

01:33:27.260 It's not your body.

01:33:28.260 Why would it not be?

01:33:29.260 I'm the head of my household.

01:33:30.260 Well, it's...

01:33:31.260 So, you control your wife's body?

01:33:32.260 I think what...

01:33:33.260 You tell her when and what to do, every move to make, you tell...

01:33:35.260 Not every move to make, but I have quite a lot of say over it, yeah.

01:33:38.260 Can I say?

01:33:39.260 What she's trying to say is that why do we restrict women and tell them what to do if we have to restrict the men?

01:33:45.260 Because they're the ones who don't take responsibility for what they have done.

01:33:48.260 No, men have to take responsibility.

01:33:50.260 You don't know how many guys invited me over their house on the first date.

01:33:53.260 It is disgusting to say every time a no, but it's happening and I have to like...

01:33:58.260 I have to like...

01:33:59.260 I have to say no, but like we are not educating and saying to the men that they should behave properly.

01:34:05.260 Why we are shaming women for the fact that they want to have a choice of what to do with their bodies when the guys and the men whose attraction they're trying to get, you know, like the women are having texts with the guys because it's the only way...

01:34:20.260 The only thing they can give guys like right now, maybe they don't see a value.

01:34:25.260 Doesn't that, you're so right about that, but doesn't that tell you that those guys are just dirtbags and you should go to better guys?

01:34:30.260 But there are so many of them, so what should I do then?

01:34:32.260 Get to find a better guy.

01:34:33.260 Where?

01:34:34.260 Do you know a place?

01:34:35.260 I feel like that's not the like the root problem of abortions.

01:34:38.260 I feel like abortions are not good, they're bad, but I feel like they're needed in some scenarios.

01:34:44.260 I don't think like pro-choice means all girls should be having sex like unprotected and just like that should be plan B is having an abortion.

01:34:52.260 But I feel like there are instances where like you don't realize that you're pregnant or just something goes wrong.

01:34:58.260 I feel like it shouldn't be on like legal terms.

01:35:01.260 Like it's way more about the situation.

01:35:04.260 But you need a law, either it's legal or it's illegal, right?

01:35:06.260 Yeah, but if it's legal like that doesn't mean everyone's gonna get an abortion.

01:35:10.260 It's just that they have the right.

01:35:11.260 So why do you think it's bad?

01:35:12.260 Because I get the pro-abortion argument which is the baby's not really a baby, it's not life, it's not human, forget about it.

01:35:18.260 It's just like getting your appendix.

01:35:19.260 I think it's bad because it's a sad thing to go through, period.

01:35:22.260 Yeah, for a girl.

01:35:23.260 Why is it sad though?

01:35:25.260 Because it's like you have to do something because I don't think people really are going in there and being like I want to kill this fetus.

01:35:30.260 Like it's not being like no one's gonna be like I'm gonna kill this.

01:35:33.260 Yes, it's life.

01:35:34.260 No one's gonna kill life.

01:35:36.260 Point, period.

01:35:37.260 But for some people it has to happen.

01:35:39.260 I know this girl who's a friend of mine and she didn't know she was pregnant and she was on birth control.

01:35:44.260 And she found out she was five months pregnant and she was like I cannot have this kid.

01:35:48.260 Like there's no way I'm in high school.

01:35:50.260 This girl couldn't do it.

01:35:51.260 Why couldn't she just have the kid and give the kid up for adoption?

01:35:54.260 That's just what changes your whole life.

01:35:57.260 You say that like it's the easiest thing in the world to just carry it.

01:36:00.260 Well you're talking about abortion like it's the easiest thing.

01:36:01.260 It's not.

01:36:02.260 It's not.

01:36:03.260 But your life changes so much more after that fact.

01:36:07.260 You know you have a kid out there that's like 15.

01:36:09.260 Guys, one at a time.

01:36:10.260 One at a time, please.

01:36:11.260 Otherwise you know you have a kid in the ground because you killed the kid.

01:36:14.260 No, they're not going to be in the ground because they're not big enough to be buried.

01:36:17.260 They would be disintegrated within, they would decompose within hours honestly.

01:36:22.260 At five months the baby's pretty low.

01:36:24.260 So are you pro-life at a certain point?

01:36:26.260 At five months?

01:36:27.260 What is five?

01:36:28.260 That's just what you mentioned.

01:36:29.260 I was just like an experience from a girl that we knew in high school.

01:36:32.260 Guys, hold on.

01:36:33.260 One microphone at a time.

01:36:34.260 I'll get you after.

01:36:35.260 I was just wondering if it's like after three months or after.

01:36:38.260 No, from the beginning.

01:36:39.260 I don't think, you know, I don't think it makes sense to just pick an arbitrary date

01:36:43.260 and say okay six months.

01:36:44.260 That's why it's arbitrary though because it's supposed to be by each case by case because

01:36:48.260 we can't tell when every embryo is going to be viable outside of the hood.

01:36:53.260 No, but I'm not so viable.

01:36:54.260 I'm saying from the beginning.

01:36:55.260 That's what you think, but what we're saying is why it's case by case is because we don't

01:36:59.260 want to say, oh, we're going to ban after 20 weeks.

01:37:03.260 You can't.

01:37:04.260 When some babies might be viable at 18 weeks.

01:37:06.260 But I don't care when it's viable.

01:37:07.260 So that's, can I finish my statement?

01:37:09.260 Go ahead.

01:37:10.260 The standard that I don't think matters.

01:37:12.260 Kiko, you go, then Michael, then Tatum.

01:37:14.260 I forgot.

01:37:15.260 I have to go to the bathroom though.

01:37:17.260 Okay.

01:37:18.260 Someone was writing a message.

01:37:20.260 We'll get to it later.

01:37:21.260 Michael, did you have a response?

01:37:22.260 Yes, well just in response to that point because Kiko was focusing on, well, at what point

01:37:26.260 is the baby viable to live outside the mother's room?

01:37:28.260 But I, that isn't the question that matters.

01:37:32.260 The question that matters is when is this thing a human?

01:37:35.260 When is this thing alive?

01:37:36.260 And the only answer to that question, just by definition, is at the moment of conception

01:37:41.260 because conception just means the beginning of life.

01:37:43.260 I agree with you.

01:37:44.260 Well, it's just sad scenarios like if a kid is born to like, you know, drug addicted parents.

01:37:50.260 Well, they could give the baby up for adoption.

01:37:52.260 Yeah, but I don't think they don't.

01:37:53.260 Do you really think they're going to make that smart choice if they're drug addicted parents?

01:37:55.260 Yeah, I don't think there's like enough structure to.

01:37:58.260 Well, if there's.

01:37:59.260 So you're saying any life is better than the bad life?

01:38:02.260 Yeah, I'm saying life is better than being killed.

01:38:04.260 I know, I agree with you.

01:38:05.260 All life is better than being killed.

01:38:06.260 I guess another argument is like what if a girl is young enough, right, and she's so desperate

01:38:11.260 that she's going to go somewhere else or do it herself or something.

01:38:15.260 Well, you know, it's interesting.

01:38:16.260 How do you prevent that?

01:38:17.260 Because you're saying that illegal abortions would be more dangerous.

01:38:19.260 Yeah.

01:38:20.260 But they're not actually.

01:38:21.260 This is the weird thing.

01:38:22.260 In the year before Roe v. Wade allowed abortion everywhere, do you know how many women died

01:38:27.260 from illegal back alley abortions in America?

01:38:29.260 I don't know.

01:38:30.260 I don't know.

01:38:31.260 39.

01:38:32.260 Really?

01:38:33.260 And 24 women died from legal abortions.

01:38:35.260 So you're pro illegal abortions?

01:38:36.260 No, I'm anti all abortions.

01:38:38.260 But when you look at the number of states where it was legal, illegal abortions, illegal abortions

01:38:43.260 were roughly the same safety.

01:38:45.260 But how would they document that?

01:38:47.260 Do you think like people that did it dangerously, like would it be recorded?

01:38:52.260 They would frequently have to.

01:38:53.260 Well, it's women who die from this.

01:38:55.260 Yeah, they would end up.

01:38:56.260 Hold on.

01:38:57.260 Let's have Tatum come in.

01:38:58.260 Oh, no.

01:38:59.260 I forgot.

01:39:00.260 Okay.

01:39:01.260 If you remember it, let me know.

01:39:02.260 I feel like abortions are going to happen either way.

01:39:04.260 Like she was saying.

01:39:05.260 Like restitution.

01:39:06.260 It's going to happen either way.

01:39:07.260 And I feel like it's better if we have a safe way for these women to get abortions

01:39:11.260 instead of knowing it's going to happen and just like putting a blind eye towards it.

01:39:15.260 But if there's a law against it, there are going to be far fewer abortions.

01:39:20.260 Right.

01:39:21.260 I think the law should be more complex.

01:39:22.260 Not necessarily.

01:39:23.260 It's just so black and white and this issue is not black and white.

01:39:25.260 Yeah.

01:39:26.260 I agree.

01:39:27.260 Well, if there aren't going to be fewer abortions if you make it illegal, then why not just make

01:39:30.260 it illegal?

01:39:31.260 If it's not going to matter.

01:39:32.260 Well, I think like, for example, you know, going to a doctor and like the doctor prescribes

01:39:36.260 drugs so freely these days, like for men, you know, it's kind of the same thing with

01:39:40.260 the boy.

01:39:41.260 I think if someone's going to go get an abortion, it should be much more like the doctor should

01:39:46.260 be part of the abortion.

01:39:47.260 Yes.

01:39:48.260 Like try to deter the person and like we're helped in however way.

01:39:51.260 To deter it.

01:39:52.260 Yeah.

01:39:53.260 Yeah.

01:39:54.260 But I just like making it so black and white.

01:39:55.260 It's just.

01:39:56.260 But it just seems to me you all have.

01:39:58.260 I think all of you have the moral intuition that it's wrong because because especially

01:40:01.260 because you're women and you just don't want to kill your children.

01:40:04.260 But so you know that it's wrong.

01:40:06.260 So then why not follow that to its logical conclusion and say we shouldn't do it?

01:40:10.260 I feel like if it's just illegal, right, then women will have less help.

01:40:15.260 Also, what she was saying is this whole situation is not so black and white.

01:40:18.260 It's not just it's wrong.

01:40:19.260 There's like other things that go way into it that you have to take into part that make

01:40:24.260 a deciding factor on whether or not a woman wants an abortion.

01:40:27.260 It's not just like oh I'm doing this thing that's wrong.

01:40:29.260 It's like I'm doing this thing but I could like there's other parts of it that's way

01:40:32.260 more wrong too.

01:40:33.260 So.

01:40:34.260 What do you mean?

01:40:35.260 Like let's say a girl gets raped.

01:40:37.260 You really think she wants to have that reminder of her having a child.

01:40:40.260 But she could give the child up for adoption.

01:40:41.260 That's not the child's fault.

01:40:42.260 You keep saying that.

01:40:43.260 I would not want to go through pregnancy.

01:40:45.260 You're going through an entire pregnancy where your whole body is changing.

01:40:48.260 Your body is going to be changed forever after that.

01:40:50.260 But what if you give birth to someone who is like the next, I don't know.

01:40:53.260 Karen.

01:40:54.260 The next what?

01:40:56.260 The next what?

01:40:57.260 Or even if not, even if it's just a regular person.

01:40:58.260 What's the likelihood of that?

01:40:59.260 Okay, what about the next Hitler and then they're like raised by Karen?

01:41:02.260 No, no, no.

01:41:03.260 But there are about 36 couples who want to adopt for every newborn baby put up for adoption in

01:41:08.260 the US.

01:41:09.260 So there would be no shortage of a couple to adopt the baby.

01:41:11.260 But I know it's incredibly hard to adopt in the US.

01:41:12.260 That's right.

01:41:13.260 That's why.

01:41:14.260 Because there are so many couples who want to adopt every newborn baby.

01:41:17.260 Yeah.

01:41:18.260 So either way, it's changing that girl's life forever.

01:41:21.260 It just is.

01:41:22.260 The girl's life's already changed.

01:41:23.260 She's pregnant.

01:41:24.260 She's going through a trauma.

01:41:25.260 It's not going to be as changed definitely.

01:41:26.260 Yeah.

01:41:27.260 I feel like it would not be as changed definitely.

01:41:28.260 But you know what?

01:41:29.260 When you see the baby, it's different.

01:41:31.260 Because when you see it, it becomes real.

01:41:33.260 When you don't see it, it's not real.

01:41:34.260 It doesn't.

01:41:35.260 Well, when you don't see it, it doesn't seem real.

01:41:36.260 You know, I've known people that had abortions and it affects them 10 years later in life.

01:41:40.260 Yeah.

01:41:41.260 Exactly.

01:41:42.260 How would you even know, as a man, if it's going to be a detrimental change to this woman's

01:41:45.260 life?

01:41:46.260 How would you even know?

01:41:47.260 You don't know the experience of carrying a child.

01:41:50.260 I know plenty of women who've had babies and I know plenty of women who've had abortions

01:41:53.260 and I have seen that.

01:41:54.260 I do too.

01:41:55.260 And I know that-

01:41:56.260 And you're telling me that the abortions have not affected-

01:41:58.260 If my mom hadn't had the abortions she had, I wouldn't be here.

01:42:01.260 Your mother had abortions.

01:42:02.260 Mm-hmm.

01:42:03.260 Do you think that perhaps part of the reason you defend it is to justify your mother's

01:42:07.260 abortions?

01:42:08.260 No.

01:42:09.260 No.

01:42:10.260 I was pro-choice before that.

01:42:11.260 Before your mother had an abortion?

01:42:12.260 No, before she knew.

01:42:13.260 Before she knew.

01:42:14.260 I found out.

01:42:15.260 Well, do you think though that-

01:42:16.260 You were obviously raised in an environment that's pro-abortion.

01:42:18.260 So, you know, certainly your views are going to be colored-

01:42:21.260 No, not necessarily.

01:42:22.260 My dad's not pro-abortion.

01:42:23.260 My mom's not pro-abortion and I'm so pro-abortion.

01:42:26.260 There's like certain- I don't think, like we said, there's middle grounds on things

01:42:30.260 that we take.

01:42:31.260 But no, this is not a middle ground.

01:42:32.260 You're just saying I'm pro-abortion.

01:42:33.260 I think a lot of it is because-

01:42:34.260 Pro-access of abortion.

01:42:35.260 People don't like the government telling them.

01:42:38.260 I think a lot of it with women is that they don't like the fact that it's the government

01:42:42.260 that's dictating it.

01:42:43.260 But the government dictates all these important-

01:42:45.260 I know, but I think it's just-

01:42:46.260 And I don't like that they dictate-

01:42:48.260 You don't like that there are laws against burglary and like-

01:42:50.260 No, but they don't try to dictate like my body and trying to tell me what to do with

01:42:54.260 it.

01:42:55.260 Do you think there should be laws against heroin?

01:42:57.260 Like using heroin?

01:42:58.260 There are laws.

01:42:59.260 That's a law against you using your body as you like.

01:43:03.260 So I'm-

01:43:04.260 No, people still do heroin.

01:43:05.260 Right, but far fewer people do than if they would be legal.

01:43:07.260 But that's detrimental to your body.

01:43:08.260 That's like a drug that's going to ruin you.

01:43:11.260 Yeah.

01:43:12.260 Having an abortion is going to save a lot of women's lives.

01:43:14.260 It's going to ruin your child.

01:43:15.260 No.

01:43:16.260 Save a lot of women's lives.

01:43:17.260 No, it doesn't.

01:43:18.260 There's no condition in which a woman needs an abortion.

01:43:21.260 So how does it ruin your child if that child has no consciousness, never existed, never

01:43:25.260 started anything?

01:43:26.260 Well, we don't know that.

01:43:27.260 Never existed.

01:43:28.260 The child is not conscious, but he existed.

01:43:29.260 Never had a name.

01:43:30.260 Never had a-

01:43:31.260 Memory.

01:43:32.260 Yeah.

01:43:33.260 First thing.

01:43:34.260 Never even cried.

01:43:35.260 Never even opened his eyes.

01:43:36.260 Never even had, like most of the time, never even had-

01:43:39.260 Bless?

01:43:40.260 Yeah.

01:43:41.260 Like how is that ruining someone's life that never existed?

01:43:43.260 Well, because the child is deprived of the chance to grow up.

01:43:45.260 I don't think we can talk about that.

01:43:46.260 I don't think the child cares about its life.

01:43:47.260 I don't think the child cares about its life.

01:43:48.260 It's deprived when it never even-

01:43:50.260 Yeah, it never has no consciousness.

01:43:51.260 But a person can be deprived of something without being conscious of it.

01:43:53.260 Like in the case of killing someone in a coma.

01:43:55.260 You can deprive people.

01:43:56.260 So like right now, I'm being deprived of being a billionaire.

01:44:00.260 So my life is-

01:44:01.260 No, because you're not entitled to be a billionaire.

01:44:04.260 You don't have a right to be a billionaire.

01:44:05.260 You're not entitled really to life either.

01:44:06.260 You do.

01:44:07.260 In fact, if you have any rights at all, you must necessarily-

01:44:10.260 Based on our healthcare system and everything that's going on, technically you don't have

01:44:13.260 entitlement to life.

01:44:14.260 Because the simple things we need to live is so expensive that most people can't even

01:44:18.260 afford it here.

01:44:19.260 I think we seem to be living just fine.

01:44:20.260 So how is that an entitlement to life?

01:44:21.260 We're all living just fine.

01:44:22.260 We're all living just fine.

01:44:23.260 Are we the whole population?

01:44:24.260 You think we're all living just fine?

01:44:25.260 Yeah, I think we're living-

01:44:26.260 Can I ask you something?

01:44:27.260 Yeah.

01:44:28.260 How do you define consciousness?

01:44:29.260 Like what is consciousness to you?

01:44:30.260 When you have-

01:44:31.260 Like do we know what consciousness is?

01:44:32.260 I would say you're conscious-

01:44:36.260 Like because some people believe that your consciousness exists in the universe, right?

01:44:40.260 Yeah, that's a hard one for me to think.

01:44:41.260 I don't really-

01:44:42.260 Outside of myself.

01:44:43.260 For my thing, I don't say, oh, it's wrong once they're conscious.

01:44:46.260 My whole thing is once they're viable on their own.

01:44:48.260 And I'm not talking about-

01:44:49.260 But why?

01:44:50.260 Because they are a parasite at that point.

01:44:53.260 I'm not saying they're viable in the point they have to be born and can just walk

01:44:57.260 and be on their own.

01:44:58.260 But if they are born and can't be on a ventilator or something and a machine can't even keep

01:45:03.260 them alive, yeah, they are just a parasite at that point.

01:45:06.260 I mean-

01:45:07.260 They are a creature living in our body.

01:45:08.260 They need a host.

01:45:09.260 If it had a different name, we would have killed it and gotten rid of it.

01:45:11.260 Just like if it was a pregnancy that was killing our body, we would get rid of it because

01:45:16.260 right now it's a parasite that's hurting the body.

01:45:18.260 The difference between a parasite, though, and what you're describing is that what you're

01:45:21.260 describing is your child.

01:45:23.260 So it's human.

01:45:24.260 It's not a parasite.

01:45:25.260 It's a human being.

01:45:26.260 Is it really, though, at that point?

01:45:27.260 Yeah.

01:45:28.260 I don't-

01:45:29.260 That's why we disagree.

01:45:30.260 It's got-

01:45:31.260 No, it's not just a matter of disagreement.

01:45:32.260 It's got unique human DNA and-

01:45:33.260 Are you-

01:45:34.260 It doesn't, though.

01:45:35.260 Do you like the death-

01:45:37.260 Like, are you pro-death penalty?

01:45:38.260 Yes, I'm very pro-death penalty.

01:45:39.260 So how are you saying that everyone has a right to live if you're pro-death penalty?

01:45:43.260 Well, because the civil authority has the right to exact justice.

01:45:46.260 But how are you doing the- I wrote a whole topic in debate class because if you're religious,

01:45:52.260 right?

01:45:53.260 Yeah.

01:45:54.260 So how are you pro-death penalty if you are not God?

01:45:57.260 Because whosoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.

01:46:02.260 No, but-

01:46:03.260 Because man is made in the image and likeness of God.

01:46:05.260 But who is to decide when to take that soul away?

01:46:09.260 The civil authority, which does not bear the sword in vain.

01:46:11.260 But who is to decide who that civil authority is?

01:46:14.260 Well, there are different forms of civil authority.

01:46:16.260 There's monarchy, oligarchy, and democracy, and different-

01:46:19.260 So it's not God.

01:46:20.260 Well, no.

01:46:21.260 God does, in his foreordaining providence, permit the civil authority and entrusts the enactment

01:46:27.260 of justice to that civil authority.

01:46:28.260 But you said that my body belongs to the God.

01:46:31.260 Your soul.

01:46:32.260 Your body belongs to God, as does your soul.

01:46:34.260 I feel like once you bring religion into it, I feel like there's really no argument because-

01:46:38.260 Well, here's why.

01:46:39.260 I mean, I'll just do it like really quickly as to why religion has to come into it.

01:46:42.260 It's because all of our political ideas rest on, as we have discussed, ideas of applied

01:46:47.260 morality, right?

01:46:48.260 What's good and what's bad.

01:46:49.260 And morality rests on a basis of epistemology, which is how we can know anything at all.

01:46:53.260 And epistemology rests on a basis of anthropology, which is the question of what is human nature?

01:46:58.260 What is a human even to know anything?

01:47:00.260 And anthropology rests on a basis of ontology, which is what does it mean to be?

01:47:05.260 And then ontology rests on a basis of theology, which is what is the fundament of reality?

01:47:10.260 The force that sustains all life.

01:47:13.260 Okay.

01:47:14.260 So you're saying it all goes back to religion, but I'm saying you can't go back to one religion

01:47:17.260 because there's multiple religions.

01:47:19.260 Yeah.

01:47:20.260 Religion is a habit of justice that renders to God what he is due.

01:47:23.260 That's what that means.

01:47:24.260 Yeah.

01:47:25.260 I don't even understand what that means.

01:47:26.260 I think we're all living a video game.

01:47:27.260 Yeah.

01:47:28.260 A video game.

01:47:29.260 It might be a decent metaphor.

01:47:31.260 Simulation.

01:47:32.260 So I have a question for you, Michael.

01:47:34.260 If you had to steel man the pro-choice side, I assume you're familiar with the term steel

01:47:42.260 man, what is or what are some of the strongest arguments that you hear from people who are

01:47:49.260 pro-choice?

01:47:50.260 The strongest argument for abortion would be that there's no such thing as God, I guess.

01:48:00.260 No, because in order for abortion to be even remotely acceptable, we would just have to

01:48:09.260 be stuff.

01:48:10.260 We'd just have to be matter, right?

01:48:11.260 There wouldn't be good or bad or right or wrong.

01:48:14.260 We are matter, according to physics.

01:48:15.260 I think we are.

01:48:16.260 Honestly, I do think that there is no good or bad.

01:48:17.260 According to physics, but then according to metaphysics, we're also a soul.

01:48:19.260 Yeah, but I believe in physics more than metaphysics.

01:48:21.260 Well, the two go together.

01:48:23.260 But then they can coexist together if you're saying they're different.

01:48:27.260 No, different things can, we're all different people and yet we coexist together.

01:48:31.260 But then you're saying that we have, like, so you know, I should not believe in God for

01:48:37.260 me to not believe in pro-life.

01:48:39.260 No, I mean, there are, I can make plenty of secular arguments for anything you want.

01:48:43.260 It's just ultimately, you know, ultimately it does come down to God because everything

01:48:46.260 comes down to God ultimately.

01:48:47.260 So what would be, if we remove religion, if we remove religion from it, what is the strongest

01:48:56.260 argument you hear from someone who's pro-choice?

01:48:58.260 Is it a bodily autonomy argument or is that not particularly compelling?

01:49:02.260 Yeah, I mean, I think they're all really pretty silly arguments.

01:49:05.260 The strongest argument I could imagine is that we live in a materialist world.

01:49:11.260 So all of the metaphysical things that we pretend to care about or we think that we care about,

01:49:18.260 you know, our loves, our hopes, our dreams, our joys, our emotions, that's all just fake.

01:49:22.260 It's all a trick played by chemicals firing off in our brains and we're actually just bags

01:49:26.260 of flesh and we're eventually going to die and take a dirt nap and turn to worm food and

01:49:31.260 that's all that there is, just oblivion.

01:49:33.260 Which can be compelling in the modern world.

01:49:35.260 Sounds right.

01:49:36.260 And that's how we, that's very often how we treat ourselves.

01:49:39.260 Though, actually the way that we behave, the way that you're all talking, you don't really

01:49:43.260 believe that because you're saying some things are good, some things are bad.

01:49:45.260 Well you don't want to believe that because you don't want to believe that because you

01:49:47.260 want to believe that they're...

01:49:48.260 No, I think a lot of people do want to believe that because they want to live without consequences.

01:49:50.260 I feel like if we all believed that, we would all have lived a very sad and like

01:49:54.260 mopey life of like not really caring about anything and I feel like people want to believe

01:49:57.260 that so they have reason and purpose and something for them to do with their life and so that they're

01:50:02.260 just not shitting on themselves all day long.

01:50:04.260 No, well what you would do, if I didn't believe in God, which I didn't for a while, I would

01:50:09.260 do what I did then which is just be very hedonistic.

01:50:11.260 I would party all the time.

01:50:12.260 I disagree.

01:50:13.260 I would, you disagree?

01:50:14.260 I don't believe in God but I'm not hedonistic.

01:50:16.260 Why not?

01:50:17.260 Because I don't care, for me the short term pleasure doesn't have any, like any good

01:50:23.260 in it.

01:50:24.260 I pursue long term pleasure, I pursue the long term achievements, goals, ideas.

01:50:30.260 And I know a lot of people who are religious who do want short term pleasure.

01:50:35.260 Well yeah, that's called sin and temptation, that's true.

01:50:38.260 But you know, so you're interested in long term goals.

01:50:41.260 Yeah.

01:50:42.260 But why?

01:50:43.260 Because in the grand scheme of things, that's still short term.

01:50:46.260 No, what?

01:50:47.260 What do you mean?

01:50:48.260 By the perspective of eternity, right?

01:50:49.260 Long term I mean my life, my life, that's what long term is for me.

01:50:53.260 But that's a blip, that's nothing.

01:50:54.260 I care, as long as like I can think, my consciousness is here, that's what I care about.

01:50:58.260 I don't care what's going to be like there after whatever, and what's been before me.

01:51:02.260 What matters right now is like what my conscious can take, and my conscious can only take what

01:51:06.260 is happening right now, right here.

01:51:07.260 It cannot take the yesterday anymore, it cannot take the future anymore, it can only take right

01:51:11.260 now.

01:51:12.260 And right now, I believe that I'm, right now I'm pursuing my, you know, life dreams that

01:51:18.260 are not necessarily like short term pleasure.

01:51:23.260 Like I'm not, like I don't know, I'm going for masters, let's say.

01:51:26.260 It's not something very appealing.

01:51:28.260 Like it's not that I'm going to go through a party after the show, but like it's still,

01:51:33.260 it has more value to me than something canonistic as you were saying.

01:51:37.260 Hmm.

01:51:39.260 That's good.

01:51:40.260 It's, I'm, I'm stumped because it's good that you're doing that.

01:51:43.260 I just don't think it makes sense that you're doing that.

01:51:46.260 Why?

01:51:47.260 If there's nothing higher.

01:51:48.260 Well, because.

01:51:49.260 Are you talking about like purpose and purpose?

01:51:51.260 Yeah, I think you're just kind of.

01:51:53.260 Being happy, like she has to be happy for herself.

01:51:55.260 Yeah, that's what makes me happy.

01:51:56.260 Like a greater being because, so, because.

01:51:58.260 No, but you're, you're suppressing your own short term happiness for long term happiness.

01:52:02.260 I'm not suppressing my short term happiness.

01:52:03.260 You just said that you were.

01:52:04.260 No, I'm.

01:52:05.260 You said you were giving up short term pleasures for long time.

01:52:06.260 For me, party is not fun.

01:52:07.260 I don't derive fun in it.

01:52:09.260 I don't have fun in it.

01:52:10.260 Oh, so then you're not giving up short term pleasures.

01:52:11.260 No.

01:52:12.260 You just have different pleasures.

01:52:13.260 Yeah, I do.

01:52:14.260 Oh, okay.

01:52:15.260 Okay, that makes sense.

01:52:16.260 Kiko, did you have a final thought on this?

01:52:17.260 I have one more question for you, Michael, related to this, and then we'll move on to a different

01:52:20.260 topic.

01:52:21.260 One thing he said was, if I even remember my full point, but you started saying like

01:52:24.260 the only argument against pro-life is like there's no God or whatever.

01:52:29.260 And I just think, yeah, maybe that's what, you know, highly Catholic people think.

01:52:36.260 But I feel like for most pro-choice people is we just put higher, higher importance over

01:52:43.260 the living woman over the embryo inside that's not living.

01:52:49.260 We put, we put more importance over the present woman who's living, who has her life already

01:52:54.260 established and what can change and giving her the choice because only that woman knows

01:52:59.260 how that whatever is inside of her will affect her.

01:53:03.260 So it's giving her that choice instead of forcing her to have something that has no establishment

01:53:08.260 that nobody's going to miss except for maybe her.

01:53:10.260 The only one who's going to feel the most pain is the person having the abortion.

01:53:13.260 And the baby.

01:53:14.260 Yeah.

01:53:15.260 Not the baby.

01:53:16.260 They cannot feel.

01:53:17.260 Even from a scientific point, they cannot feel.

01:53:19.260 I just mean.

01:53:20.260 That's, come on.

01:53:21.260 We're not going to argue that.

01:53:22.260 We're not going to argue that way.

01:53:24.260 I mean, I mean, suffer an injustice.

01:53:26.260 It depends also.

01:53:27.260 Physically, it would depend on when you had the abortion.

01:53:29.260 But the reason that I don't find that very compelling is because I agree, you're right.

01:53:33.260 That's what the modern kind of liberal pro-abortion people say.

01:53:37.260 But it doesn't make sense even by the liberal premises.

01:53:40.260 Because the idea of modern liberalism is that you have certain rights.

01:53:43.260 And we call these human rights.

01:53:44.260 We call them natural rights.

01:53:46.260 And so the basic ones that our country is sort of founded on is life, liberty, and the pursuit

01:53:50.260 of happiness.

01:53:51.260 But the problem with that is you're saying that you would prioritize the liberty in a

01:53:55.260 certain sense of the mother or the life of the mother.

01:53:57.260 And the pursuit of happiness.

01:53:58.260 Because her happiness is going to be so.

01:53:59.260 And the pursuit of happiness over the life of the fetus.

01:54:01.260 It's her life.

01:54:02.260 It's her liberty.

01:54:03.260 And it's her pursuit of happiness.

01:54:04.260 But it's not her life.

01:54:05.260 Because she's already an American.

01:54:06.260 Technically, that thing is not even.

01:54:07.260 We don't even know where that thing is going to be born.

01:54:08.260 It could be born anywhere.

01:54:09.260 That's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is an American thing.

01:54:11.260 The idea is that those rights are universal.

01:54:12.260 It could be born in any country, any place.

01:54:14.260 We don't even know where this woman's going to go.

01:54:15.260 Sure.

01:54:16.260 But the reason.

01:54:17.260 We don't even know if it's going to make it past childbirth.

01:54:18.260 You don't.

01:54:19.260 You don't know.

01:54:20.260 Life's a mystery, isn't it?

01:54:21.260 But the reason that's not compelling is because you're saying that these secondary

01:54:26.260 rights like liberty and pursuit of happiness and, I don't know, fajitas on Saturday, that

01:54:30.260 these are all Trump, the fetuses, the baby's right to life.

01:54:33.260 But that can't be the case because those other rights rely upon the right to life.

01:54:38.260 That the right to life is not one right among many, but it's the basic fundamental right

01:54:42.260 without which none of the others can exist.

01:54:45.260 Tatum, you wanted to go.

01:54:46.260 Go ahead.

01:54:47.260 You had something?

01:54:48.260 I just feel like abortion should not be based off of like, like you're saying it was like

01:54:52.260 it's not liberal ideology and stuff that like.

01:54:55.260 Yeah, I'm not a liberal either, so I don't really care, you know.

01:54:58.260 I just feel like it's more about experience.

01:55:01.260 Like the personal experience that you're going through.

01:55:05.260 It's context-based.

01:55:06.260 Yeah, the context.

01:55:07.260 You can't do a house of journalization and call it a sound argument.

01:55:11.260 But you don't make your moral decisions just based on how you're feeling in the morning.

01:55:15.260 You don't think that would be a sound way of making moral decisions.

01:55:17.260 No, you think it through.

01:55:18.260 You gotta think it through.

01:55:19.260 Abortions are thought through.

01:55:20.260 Yeah, I feel like.

01:55:21.260 But yeah, so that's different than what you just said though, which is it can't be just

01:55:23.260 this rigid, you know, ideological thinking.

01:55:26.260 It's gotta be more based on what you're feeling.

01:55:27.260 No, it can't be so black and white.

01:55:29.260 Yeah.

01:55:30.260 There's way more put into it.

01:55:32.260 It's not just a very good and bad thing.

01:55:34.260 There's a lot.

01:55:35.260 I think the only black and white is we probably shouldn't talk about abortion and death penalty

01:55:39.260 in the same sentence.

01:55:40.260 Why not?

01:55:41.260 I don't see any contradiction at all.

01:55:43.260 I agree with you.

01:55:44.260 It's just that, you know, I agree with you.

01:55:46.260 You know, like death penalty is just, you know, people already, to be sentenced to that,

01:55:51.260 people committed.

01:55:52.260 Well, apparently everyone has the right to life, but not death penalty.

01:55:55.260 But like I already, I still know there was a case where it was wrongfully, you know,

01:55:59.260 someone was wrongfully accused.

01:56:00.260 Oh, yeah.

01:56:01.260 It happens, yeah.

01:56:02.260 Yeah, I mean, so that's why, like, I don't know.

01:56:04.260 But that doesn't mean we get rid of the criminal justice system.

01:56:06.260 I totally agree with you.

01:56:07.260 It's just like, you know, a child is innocent and then you talk about death penalty.

01:56:11.260 Not you.

01:56:12.260 Yeah, no, of course.

01:56:13.260 Well, that's true if you sentence a guy to 50 years in prison.

01:56:16.260 You know, that's a shame, too.

01:56:17.260 But it's that case now that we talk about, like, an innocent child and then the death.

01:56:20.260 You know, someone created it.

01:56:21.260 Well, people can get things wrong.

01:56:22.260 Yeah, people, you know, mistakes happen.

01:56:23.260 I just bring up the death penalty because you're over here talking about how everyone has

01:56:26.260 the right to life, but now you're dictating whether or not someone can have life.

01:56:30.260 No, I'm saying that the civil authority has the right and the responsibility to enact justice.

01:56:34.260 Not God anymore, apparently.

01:56:36.260 Yes.

01:56:37.260 Well, the civil authority governs the affairs on Earth.

01:56:38.260 But then you're saying God has and, like, decides all of that.

01:56:41.260 So why didn't the God decide that, I don't know, Vladimir Putin is not the best person

01:56:45.260 on the planet and he has...

01:56:47.260 Oh, because it's a fallen world and sin and death pervade the world because Adam ate

01:56:50.260 a...

01:56:51.260 So how can I then trust somebody and trust that somebody will make a decision if that decision

01:56:55.260 is inconclusive and different, like...

01:56:57.260 How to trust the civil authority?

01:56:59.260 Yeah, even a civil authority or a God.

01:57:02.260 How do you...

01:57:03.260 If it's...

01:57:04.260 So the only person I can have a trust in is only myself and my own moral or whatever

01:57:08.260 that is.

01:57:09.260 No, you can't trust yourself.

01:57:10.260 Have you made mistakes?

01:57:11.260 Are you a perfect person?

01:57:12.260 Not even close.

01:57:13.260 You can't trust yourself.

01:57:14.260 That's insane.

01:57:15.260 So why do we trust you?

01:57:16.260 Why do we trust the civil authority?

01:57:17.260 Why do we trust them if we can't trust ourselves?

01:57:18.260 Well, because people...

01:57:19.260 I mean, I'm not necessarily telling you to trust me, though.

01:57:21.260 I like to think that I've in some way tried to work on this.

01:57:23.260 So why do we trust the civil authority then?

01:57:25.260 Like why don't?

01:57:26.260 Because...

01:57:27.260 Exactly.

01:57:28.260 There's still people.

01:57:29.260 Because people practice varying degrees of virtue and vice, both of which are habits.

01:57:32.260 And so the more you practice them, the easier they become.

01:57:34.260 Though it's a fallen world, so we all still make mistakes.

01:57:36.260 And so what we want is to, in this country, elect leaders who are virtuous and who are wise

01:57:42.260 and who are prudent and just like you.

01:57:44.260 But I just want to ask you...

01:57:45.260 Oh, I thought you were volunteering to be a leader.

01:57:47.260 Oh, no, but based on all your beliefs, I'm curious.

01:57:50.260 So we're moving towards the future where artificial intelligence is going to be so prevalent, right?

01:57:55.260 Oh, this is where our...

01:57:56.260 Well, this is kind of where I think I was going.

01:57:57.260 Tatum, did you have something really quick that you wanted to say?

01:57:59.260 No.

01:58:00.260 Okay.

01:58:01.260 By the way, guys, there's 8,000 people watching right now.

01:58:05.260 Drop a like.

01:58:06.260 And, yo, the chat is on fire.

01:58:09.260 Oh, my God.

01:58:10.260 You guys are crazy.

01:58:11.260 Wait, how many views do you usually get, like, live?

01:58:13.260 Three.

01:58:14.260 We...

01:58:15.260 Well, it's been steadily going up.

01:58:17.260 But normally we get like 2,000 or 3,000 concurrents.

01:58:20.260 So we've almost like...

01:58:22.260 We've tripled.

01:58:23.260 So...

01:58:24.260 We brought up abortion.

01:58:25.260 They're all up here.

01:58:26.260 It could be that.

01:58:27.260 It could be...

01:58:28.260 In any case.

01:58:29.260 So you were about to talk about artificial intelligence.

01:58:31.260 Were you going to bring up artificial wombs?

01:58:33.260 Is that where you were going?

01:58:34.260 Well, actually, yeah.

01:58:35.260 Like the Excel one.

01:58:36.260 But I was going to ask you first.

01:58:38.260 And I would love to cover that topic as well.

01:58:40.260 But...

01:58:41.260 So since we're moving towards that.

01:58:42.260 And at some point, I'm sure, there's going to be...

01:58:45.260 Not even some sort of government, but the social justice system that's based on AI.

01:58:51.260 That AI is going to scan things.

01:58:53.260 Um...

01:58:54.260 So based on...

01:58:55.260 Oh!

01:58:56.260 Hold on.

01:58:57.260 Just a sec.

01:58:58.260 S-1-1-2-5-7-8-D-2-4-1-3-6-3-C donated $201.

01:59:04.260 Equal rights gave the workforce twice the workers and cut income in half.

01:59:08.260 Basic supply and demand.

01:59:10.260 Core funding abortion get their workers back earning money instead of costing maternity leave.

01:59:15.260 Avoiding pregnancy leaves you serving masters that hate and let you.

01:59:19.260 Um...

01:59:20.260 So true.

01:59:21.260 So true.

01:59:22.260 Great point.

01:59:23.260 Yeah.

01:59:24.260 Uh...

01:59:25.260 So...

01:59:26.260 Just because we're...

01:59:27.260 We don't have a ton of time to continue on this specific subject.

01:59:29.260 I do want to move it on just...

01:59:32.260 And, you know, with the whole artificial intelligence thing.

01:59:34.260 Um...

01:59:35.260 Michael, what do you think about this as perhaps a potential middle ground or compromise between

01:59:41.260 the pro-life and the pro-choice side?

01:59:43.260 And, obviously, this could be decades or even centuries in the future.

01:59:46.260 Um...

01:59:47.260 The development of an artificial womb.

01:59:49.260 What if we saw both sides come together and say, hey, we're gonna put all our lobbying money,

01:59:53.260 all our outreach money, basically all the money that's thrown at this issue from both sides,

01:59:58.260 and say, we're gonna have a joint research fund where we're gonna research an artificial womb.

02:00:03.260 That way, a woman could, uh...

02:00:05.260 If she was so inclined, she could end the pregnancy.

02:00:08.260 However, the life could continue in an artificial womb.

02:00:11.260 Do you think that that could be a potential compromise?

02:00:14.260 It's a bit of a futurist view.

02:00:16.260 You're saying an artificial womb to be used in the case that a woman tries to have an abortion.

02:00:21.260 You say, okay, you're gonna be funneled into this artificial womb.

02:00:23.260 Or are you saying for everybody?

02:00:25.260 Well, if a woman...

02:00:27.260 A woman could still have a normal pregnancy, go through with it, of course,

02:00:31.260 but in the event that, for example, she wanted to terminate the pregnancy,

02:00:37.260 just in the same way how it is today...

02:00:39.260 If it were a sort of medical device to save a baby, I guess I'd be for it, but...

02:00:43.260 It's already there.

02:00:44.260 Are still babies?

02:00:45.260 Yeah, well, there are all sorts of...

02:00:47.260 It's a concept, but it's basically gonna be in the future.

02:00:50.260 But the fear is that women just start using it, and that would be very bad.

02:00:54.260 Because it would establish the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of human life.

02:00:59.260 It's gonna happen anyway.

02:01:00.260 Which is super creepy.

02:01:01.260 But what about in vitro and echo?

02:01:02.260 Very bad.

02:01:03.260 No bueno.

02:01:05.260 It's not good.

02:01:07.260 It's not good.

02:01:08.260 Because a baby...

02:01:09.260 For everybody.

02:01:10.260 Because a baby has a right to be born and to be conceived through the conjugal activist parents

02:01:15.260 who are joined together in perpetuity in matrimony.

02:01:19.260 And furthermore, there's a danger with something like IVF or all the rest of it of establishing the dominance of either the state or big business,

02:01:27.260 maybe even worse, or technology broadly over, as I previously had said, the origin and destiny of human life, which is super creepy.

02:01:34.260 Do you think that...

02:01:35.260 What is the difference?

02:01:36.260 It's a losing battle, I feel like, because it's moving towards that anyway.

02:01:40.260 Like, we're moving so much towards technology.

02:01:42.260 Well, we can stop things.

02:01:43.260 I mean, you know, the atomic bomb was invented, what, 70, 80 years ago?

02:01:47.260 It's different, though.

02:01:48.260 And everybody thought that that was gonna lead to constant atomic war, gonna blow the world up.

02:01:52.260 We've only seen the bombs used twice.

02:01:55.260 Well, because it doesn't really benefit humanity.

02:01:58.260 If this would benefit...

02:02:00.260 I mean, people would feel like it would benefit their lives.

02:02:02.260 The atomic bomb benefits belligerence at war.

02:02:04.260 Yeah, but come on.

02:02:05.260 Like, nobody wants to, like, blow something or, like, blow the planet up.

02:02:08.260 But people know that...

02:02:09.260 There are people who want that.

02:02:10.260 Yeah, but people know that it would end all life, potentially.

02:02:13.260 They will not.

02:02:14.260 So if there's an artificial womb, a lot of people would feel the benefit.

02:02:18.260 So I feel like a large percentage of the world would push towards that, so it would win out.

02:02:23.260 There are all sorts of...

02:02:24.260 I mean, one, tactical nuclear weapons would not destroy the world, but let's hope people don't start using them.

02:02:29.260 Well, I know, I know, but...

02:02:30.260 But there are plenty of scientific advancements that we curtail.

02:02:33.260 We could clone people, I think, pretty simply.

02:02:35.260 It's not successful.

02:02:36.260 Yeah.

02:02:37.260 Well, it's illegal in most places.

02:02:38.260 They cloned a goat resource.

02:02:40.260 Goat?

02:02:41.260 It's been for a long time, like, for 20 years already, so nothing more than that.

02:02:44.260 But we don't do it because it raises bioethical problems.

02:02:45.260 But, okay, so what about the issue, like, for example, you know, the whole genetic testing

02:02:50.260 and then how you can edit genes?

02:02:52.260 Yeah, very bad.

02:02:53.260 Well, very bad, but what if you can edit out, like, a really crippling disease?

02:02:58.260 How would you feel about that?

02:02:59.260 Yeah, well, if you're talking about treatments in the womb, I could see a strong argument for that.

02:03:04.260 You have a little...

02:03:05.260 You have surgeries in the womb, things like that.

02:03:06.260 If you're talking about rewriting the code of life, that seems, one, to use a very modern term,

02:03:12.260 very ableist, you know, that you're trying to write out these people.

02:03:15.260 But, like, CRISPR technology has been already around for so long.

02:03:17.260 Like, I know it's not morally yet accepted, but if we keep going into that direction...

02:03:22.260 And what's the problem with it, morally?

02:03:23.260 I agree with you.

02:03:24.260 Well, there's no problem.

02:03:25.260 I feel like that's a very bad enhancement for society.

02:03:28.260 Yeah.

02:03:29.260 I feel like it would be taken advantage of.

02:03:30.260 I feel like people would use it the wrong way.

02:03:32.260 And I don't think that's good that we're changing people's genetic code.

02:03:37.260 But you can also change it to prevent cancer and all of the bad diseases.

02:03:41.260 So what difference does it make?

02:03:43.260 I guess that's the whole thing about, like, you're playing God.

02:03:45.260 Like, you're saying that you can...

02:03:47.260 That's the problem.

02:03:48.260 A person should die from cancer then.

02:03:50.260 So no more technological advances.

02:03:52.260 Treat diseases.

02:03:53.260 Everyone's going to die.

02:03:54.260 You can't say this is right and this is wrong and treat things differently

02:03:58.260 and say you are the God who...

02:04:00.260 Because you decide what is good and bad.

02:04:02.260 But when you get...

02:04:04.260 When you have that...

02:04:05.260 When people have that power and control in their hands,

02:04:07.260 it can be taken the total wrong way.

02:04:08.260 And it's going to start getting capitalized off of it.

02:04:10.260 People are going to be like, oh, well, now we can make us look better and cooler.

02:04:13.260 And, like, there's this and you can do that.

02:04:14.260 See, you get it.

02:04:15.260 It's just going to go down the wrong way.

02:04:18.260 So I'm going to change topics here.

02:04:22.260 Really quick, just kind of to lighten the mood.

02:04:24.260 Would you guys date a guy who wore a fedora?

02:04:27.260 No.

02:04:28.260 What is that?

02:04:29.260 Not you, Brian.

02:04:30.260 No.

02:04:31.260 I'm just kidding, Rhett.

02:04:33.260 Kiko?

02:04:34.260 You're not kidding.

02:04:35.260 Is this a good look for me?

02:04:39.260 Can you blink a couple more times?

02:04:41.260 No.

02:04:44.260 Would you guys date a dude?

02:04:46.260 No.

02:04:47.260 This might actually be a trilby.

02:04:49.260 I'm not sure if it's a fedora.

02:04:51.260 I don't think that's a fedora.

02:04:52.260 I don't like it.

02:04:53.260 It's a trilby.

02:04:54.260 It doesn't fit your head.

02:04:55.260 Yeah, I was about to say that.

02:04:56.260 It does.

02:04:57.260 I dated an Italian who had this hat.

02:04:59.260 You dated an Italian?

02:05:00.260 An Italian guy who had this hat.

02:05:02.260 I don't care what you wear.

02:05:03.260 It looks like you're about to get your cane out and start, like, tap dancing.

02:05:07.260 Okay.

02:05:08.260 Super chats here.

02:05:09.260 We definitely got to get caught up on the soup chats.

02:05:11.260 I know.

02:05:12.260 Okay.

02:05:13.260 Let's see here.

02:05:14.260 We have...

02:05:15.260 Did we do...

02:05:17.260 Wait.

02:05:18.260 Shit.

02:05:19.260 I'm kind of lost.

02:05:20.260 Do you want me to do stream labs?

02:05:23.260 Wait.

02:05:24.260 I forgot where we were.

02:05:27.260 We'll do the stream labs a little bit later.

02:05:29.260 Let me do the regular soup chats first.

02:05:31.260 We got that one.

02:05:32.260 We got this one.

02:05:34.260 Okay.

02:05:35.260 Okay.

02:05:36.260 Sir Isaac Newton, thank you for the 50 man.

02:05:39.260 Brian, I love your show and I watch and listen to your podcast even now during work.

02:05:42.260 Quick question for the ladies.

02:05:43.260 Would you date an Asian 5'3 average job making 50K a year, physically fit, and goes to the

02:05:47.260 gym five times a week?

02:05:48.260 Really quick.

02:05:49.260 If you guys want a yes or no.

02:05:50.260 Kiko?

02:05:51.260 No.

02:05:52.260 Is it the height?

02:05:54.260 No.

02:05:55.260 Hmm.

02:05:56.260 Is it the height?

02:05:57.260 Yeah.

02:05:58.260 Like, I'm 5'7", usually walking around in like shoes that make me 5'10", and I just

02:06:03.260 don't think we would really see eye to eye.

02:06:07.260 Okay.

02:06:08.260 Oh.

02:06:09.260 Oh.

02:06:10.260 Oh.

02:06:11.260 Oh.

02:06:12.260 Oh.

02:06:13.260 Oh.

02:06:14.260 Oh.

02:06:15.260 Oh.

02:06:16.260 Oh.

02:06:17.260 Oh.

02:06:18.260 Oh.

02:06:19.260 Oh.

02:06:20.260 Oh.

02:06:21.260 Oh.

02:06:22.260 Oh.

02:06:23.260 That's a good chance.

02:06:34.260 Oh.

02:06:35.260 That's a good right.

02:06:36.260 Oh, that's a good call.

02:06:39.260 That's a good kind of show of a lie.

02:06:40.260 Life-a-life giver.

02:06:41.260 Like, shut up, like…

02:06:43.260 Oh, my God.

02:06:44.260 Well, that wasn't his voice, you know, that's just a computer.

02:06:47.260 No, it's, I'm not even talking about…

02:06:48.260 Oh.

02:06:49.260 It didn't need the computer to say …

02:06:50.260 It's just…

02:06:51.260 That's what it sounds.

02:06:52.260 feel like i'm like just getting behind like a little like church from like 1850 or something

02:06:59.140 like i don't know that's a church from like 350 that's like basic church level stuff

02:07:04.280 creation a creator oh would you what if i if i were just like hey kiko well like hey kiko um

02:07:15.320 you know two plus two equals four you'd be like oh here's michael two plus two equals four it's

02:07:19.000 like just basic stuff you know well probably yeah if you're telling me at 23 years old that two plus

02:07:23.040 two equals four yeah i'd be like well that guy's just telling you basic stuff that a creation needs

02:07:26.660 a creator yeah that's like like that's how terms and words usually work yeah but so why are you

02:07:31.100 making fun he's just telling me he's just saying basic stuff based in your life yes but a child

02:07:36.400 deserves a mother like a mother a grand mother like yeah thank you thank you for using 200 to tell me

02:07:43.700 that maybe he thought you needed to hear it he could have just dropped the thing to google the

02:07:48.340 libel verse for free in the comments get some help okay um so when you did the guy five three

02:07:55.880 um 40 50k a month but he gyms it no you can do yes or no is fine no married kiki

02:08:06.040 no it will no whoa oh wow sorry sorry bud uh big story it depends on personality

02:08:14.620 okay that was profound all right we have uh moral objection thank you for the 50 going around and

02:08:21.200 sleeping with every person you desire is not having your needs met it's fulfilling you hedonistic

02:08:24.940 excuse me it's fulfilling your hedonistic desires you know it's wrong or you wouldn't be compelled to

02:08:30.820 make excuses for it hey moral thank you for the uh 50 there uh g zach hey uh oh wait hold on actually

02:08:37.220 didn't we get uh yo g zach thank you for the hundred man uh military vet fought in afghan afghanistan

02:08:44.700 managed private planes now for many celebrities it's very sad to see the freedoms i fought for turn

02:08:49.580 into a society being degraded like this single parenthood or abortion young women who can't understand

02:08:55.740 the number one predictor of crime which is fatherless homes whoa i believe it's fatherless

02:09:05.940 homes yeah so men well the lack of men the lack of oh so men are our families so men walk out yeah

02:09:15.340 well you could make the argument that it's actually the the single mothers that are raising

02:09:19.020 so the women made them walk away that's what you're saying

02:09:22.380 well we don't know the circumstances of what's so men not owning up to the responsibilities and

02:09:28.440 leaving a child fatherless got it

02:09:30.320 well we don't know the contact

02:09:32.280 might take two to tango sometimes yeah

02:09:36.440 in any case uh zach thank you for your service and uh thank you for the big hundred dollar uh soup chat

02:09:41.640 man really appreciate it thank you man uh yo dinosaur d with a 55

02:09:46.240 poor michael looks like he's descended into hell run buddy run because these suck you by

02:09:54.800 will suck whatever hope you have left for humanity that is not fair at all these these wonderful

02:10:03.380 women are and even you lady miss what is her name kiki kiki kiki and kiko all no you're wonderful

02:10:12.460 women and you're all you know you're you're looking at virtue and truth and all these that

02:10:18.740 you're taking it seriously it's fabulous i'm in i'm if not in heaven at least purgatory

02:10:23.000 all right cool all right we have uh yo marquise martin thank you for the 50 man brian thanks for

02:10:28.500 protecting my anonymity with a bankrupt sandwich shop chain is it is it out of business um maybe

02:10:34.240 there's one like blockbuster that's still kicking uh my job is actually real estate and construction

02:10:38.800 congrats on 5k plus live viewers how much how much do we actually have right now we're just under

02:10:44.840 8 000 uh yeah martin thank you so much man uh michael nice to see you on the pod appreciate your work

02:10:50.680 now flee comifornia post haste i will i'll do that yes we have a david ross hey thank you

02:10:59.500 for the 50 man this conversation leaves me speechless controlling words controlling don't talk about

02:11:04.540 michael like that that's a discerning that's a discerning that's a discerning reader who

02:11:10.200 understands a great number one best-selling book when he hears one ah um shots fired by the way

02:11:16.120 okay we have uh igor petrikov thank you man thank you for the uh big support long time listener of

02:11:22.680 daily wire but tend to skip oh oh real nice but now but look at the next but now now subbed hats off to

02:11:30.320 the 19 year old girl in the middle keep it right keep it tight which one is that you sam i'm assuming

02:11:37.360 yeah she's a 19 year old ah okay all right cool cool all right thanks igor appreciate it dakota b

02:11:44.000 thank you man this is for mike davis from sunday couldn't respond in time i'm sorry you lack the

02:11:48.040 skills man i'd suggest doing some research ladies how much of a green flag if a man knows what he's

02:11:53.580 doing down there green flag is it a green flag if he is skilled in that department

02:12:01.920 yeah kiko um it's a plus yeah i mean it's not i mean it's not a bad thing but

02:12:12.340 how about maybe let me frame it like this is it a deal breaker if it's

02:12:17.320 if he's bad at it or he doesn't do it how about that what do you wait what if he won't go

02:12:25.360 oh we're talking specifically come on oh we're talking is that heard no it's not just that it's

02:12:30.360 crude it's like why is anybody doing that oh going down there or not going down i think that's what

02:12:35.720 he was implying what oh my god you're saying why is you're saying why are people going down there

02:12:40.700 or why are people not going down there yeah which one which one wait i think you could probably

02:12:45.820 infer from my reaction so going down there wait hold on is this a whatever you're not a munch michael

02:12:51.920 do you you know all right listen i don't tell tales out of school or anything like that but

02:12:57.400 well i'm with you i'm with you yeah yeah hell yeah michael i'm glad i'm glad i didn't say anything

02:13:05.440 okay and do you do you expect to have your skin sticks up in return or no i'm gonna pull up the

02:13:12.000 catechism of the catholic church for just a second and tell you exactly what no i'm gonna pull up the

02:13:16.800 catechism of norm mcdonald who says sex is a filthy thing that is obviously only meant for procreation

02:13:24.780 didn't you have a hoe face

02:13:28.060 hey man you know when one is young and irresponsible one is young and irresponsible

02:13:36.860 it's good that you're in the right path right now just deal breaker if he deal breaker if he doesn't

02:13:42.320 go down if he doesn't go down deal breaker if he's bad at it he can learn okay um that's a good way of

02:13:47.160 putting it i wouldn't say it's like i've been with people who like i would date them yeah i feel

02:13:53.400 like i mean like i would talk to them like what's the reason i'm not like earning for that but for

02:13:59.500 some girls if it is a deal breaker good for them like i'm not gonna say it's tatum i wouldn't say it's

02:14:03.840 a deal breaker but like it doesn't make sense in my head i guess that a guy wouldn't if you were

02:14:12.820 to please a guy like that i feel like it should be both ways reciprocity okay what about you

02:14:19.560 thank you thank you you're the only reasonable one on the panel say i don't know what to say this

02:14:25.440 is why would anybody because it happens it is a dating podcast i mean i mean uh victoria

02:14:32.560 i personally don't like it so okay oh okay uh so brian you you're not a munchie either

02:14:40.980 what is that what is that do you see any ginger in his beard i don't know oh oh there's a little

02:14:48.120 ice oh yeah just i i got neck problems like i got an ice pack like i got this ice pack

02:14:59.920 there's many different positions for that punch no i i actually do ice mine do you expect like for

02:15:08.260 hurt yeah to supply i mean if there's things when it comes to uh

02:15:13.900 there are things when it comes to sex that perhaps your partner likes that you don't and vice versa and

02:15:22.400 i don't think it has to be a tit for tat thing or almost a vindictive thing oh well if you won't do

02:15:27.640 it then i then i won't just me personally my personal thing is my personal thing i you know because

02:15:33.620 well for a variety of reasons and you know just i for a variety of reasons what are those variety

02:15:40.060 of reasons do you feel like you date women who aren't clean down there like what what would be

02:15:44.180 the reason do you feel like you're not attracted to the vulva once it's up close in your face i'm a

02:15:48.500 fan hold on first off i'm just wondering i'm a labia fan i'm a labia by the way michael i'm i

02:15:53.340 apologize yeah for somebody who advocates for large labias you don't seem like you're too fond of

02:15:59.420 them right now i'm a fan of large labias my dms are open um i'm just look here's the thing i

02:16:04.020 apologize michael this is this is haram hold on haram this is haram this is yeah um just you know

02:16:11.340 not my favorite uh activity you know there's a great sopranos episode about this yeah where uncle

02:16:17.860 june he says no yes that's not what a man does yes that's not what a man does you know what uncle

02:16:24.140 june says i'm just quoting sopranos so you are a feminine man a feminine man no that's

02:16:29.820 actually speaking of the sopranos i just saw a comment because michael is in hell now

02:16:39.100 i was previously i was in purgatory now you've you've made it all the way um i don't like that

02:16:46.420 kind of talk i had that ready to go oh oh oh oh the gabagool um and i don't think uh what was that

02:16:58.560 what was uncle jr saying um michael you don't have you never had the makings of a varsity athlete

02:17:05.220 i'm sorry i'm sorry michael yeah i know now i'm just gonna have to become a don there you go

02:17:11.680 you're going to have to uh yeah get into the racketeering and protection business um is that

02:17:19.160 racist because you're it's very focused i think i'm canceled up next after you um okay so did you

02:17:27.120 guys really want my reasons on on this or no i just feel like if you're not like if you're not a

02:17:32.380 lunch ladies don't want you it's wrong seeing the thing it's like that's not even like a big

02:17:37.980 thing for me like i don't even really like that's not even something i really crave like that but it

02:17:42.900 would just make me question like if you were so against it yeah why not like are we sure we're

02:17:48.140 straight are we sure you like women are we sure i agreed some people is something wrong with me if

02:17:54.000 something's wrong with me why are you still sleeping with me yeah like if why are you so opposed

02:17:58.140 like why can you put your pain in it but not your your face like what's why there's different so

02:18:04.560 it's it's more of a personal insecurity thing is what you're saying probably it would be on the end

02:18:08.680 i think it would be like a thing in my mind like why i mean why not if you're like girlfriend didn't

02:18:14.240 want to look at your um minky what your your little friend if your girlfriend didn't want to look

02:18:21.060 little friend like if she was average what if she was like what if she was like i don't want to look

02:18:27.160 at it like don't show it to me what would you be like i enjoy looking it's more just so you just

02:18:32.420 like get up close and stare at it and then just don't do anything with it you just be like let me

02:18:36.600 see it all right let's put it away yeah well so so kiko you said okay so kiko you said that um

02:18:44.880 is it a uh oh you're saying well you're willing to do actual intercourse but you're not willing

02:18:53.620 to do that and actually i don't know if you said you said you're okay like having sex but you

02:18:58.880 hypothetically but you wouldn't yeah yeah so actually chris rock his new uh special on netflix he

02:19:03.840 brought this up he was saying how he would be prepared to again i preemptively i want to apologize

02:19:10.720 michael he would say that he would eat ass he would eat ass but he like the same night with a

02:19:17.640 girl but he would not hold hands with her and it's an interesting thing oh man that's profound

02:19:22.920 it's interesting a lot about the culture but but there's this interesting thing when it comes to

02:19:27.940 intimacy people will do all up very quickly after meeting someone all sorts of you know sex or

02:19:34.340 eating ass whatever sorry michael but like to actually like hold hands or something that

02:19:40.700 would be too much so it's sort of in that same vein um i guess my big qualm with it and perhaps

02:19:47.060 this is related to uh being in california is in today's in the in the dating landscape you have to

02:19:56.180 almost assume going in that when you're first meeting someone they're sleeping with someone else

02:20:01.780 you said that you're going on dates with guys but you're currently sleeping with someone else

02:20:07.000 we've had and that's tame compared to other women we've had girls on the show that say

02:20:12.460 they're currently sleeping they have uh it was two shows ago or three shows ago the girl said

02:20:17.480 she's got one main a main side hoe no excuse me a main hoe and then four side hoes that she's all

02:20:24.520 sleeping with that's five guys not all girls are like five guys no not all not all women are like

02:20:29.400 that however it does seem to be at least in california and perhaps a lot of western countries that

02:20:35.200 you almost have to assume going in it's more likely than not that when you're even just going

02:20:40.680 on the first date with someone they're probably sleeping with someone else and so for me it's just

02:20:44.780 i would not feel comfortable well first off what about like it's your girlfriend someone you know

02:20:50.220 that's not sleeping with other people so like that's why like i say it's that's like the thing

02:20:54.420 you're bringing up earlier like it's the whole like intimacy thing like i mean me personally i wouldn't

02:20:58.500 sleep with anyone unless i knew them but like you know you can use condoms at first i mean

02:21:02.480 maybe some people are using yes yes like you're going to be using condoms and stuff at first

02:21:07.000 that's why like the first time i'm sleeping with somebody nothing fellatio of the sorts is going

02:21:12.220 to be happening that's a next level thing because i don't think anyone's going down with some dental

02:21:16.840 dams or i feel like you wouldn't really want it you know is that italian by the way fellatio

02:21:22.060 i think latin are you italian i've beat us before so a lot of latin words keep cropping up i just

02:21:28.300 wonder doesn't i don't want to sound like a prude because i'm really not a prude or maybe i've

02:21:33.260 become a prude much more than i used to be but isn't it all just so gross isn't it just so

02:21:40.680 extremely gross to think about the five dudes and the right it's all just so why are you thinking

02:21:48.040 about the dudes wait wait hold on well yeah because he's putting it in my head you know the girl with

02:21:52.180 the five boyfriends and the this and you're gonna do it what you do with someone who you're in a

02:21:58.080 like relationship with that's like i think that's way different but isn't like let's say the most

02:22:02.780 traditional thing would be you don't do any of this stuff and then you get married and then you do

02:22:09.940 appropriate sexual behaviors with your spouse and and then the extreme on the other end is you're

02:22:14.460 doing all sorts of weird stuff putting things in the wrong places with like five guys at a time

02:22:18.460 and that haram yeah which is very haram like clearly that's gross and the other the good one

02:22:26.080 is like good and wholesome can there be a balance is there not somewhere in the why would you want

02:22:30.240 a balance between good and gross why would you just go for the good there's not it's not it's

02:22:34.220 black and white again i think like yeah it is have intercourse with your husband wait so no

02:22:41.000 continue your finisher up hold on super chatted one oh hey zentians good to see

02:22:46.040 a human being is a parasite being in health care and having witnessed the mass suffering and death

02:22:55.640 of thousands the only parasites i have seen are the vacuous peculent materialistic hall gaping more

02:23:02.760 that is the modern woman just like this panel gents focus on yourselves it's like do they just open up

02:23:10.360 like a thesaurus or like something just like type in like one word like anti-woman word and just keep

02:23:16.120 like um that was poetic maybe that's why that guy's along because he doesn't like yeah that's why he

02:23:25.880 has enough time to watch a four-hour podcast let me just say though shouldn't you be like promoting

02:23:31.720 women i i think i think very pro women this whole time i've said it's michael and the girls against

02:23:38.280 brian yeah rich and all the rest but but you don't want to you don't want to just like simp and be

02:23:42.280 like oh girls whatever you're doing is great like no it's gross it's so gross just don't do that maybe

02:23:47.240 there's like a certain extent where it's close but like she said it's not black and white there's

02:23:50.760 like it is black and most things are fairly black and white most things are not fairly black and white

02:23:57.480 most things are on a spectrum of things most things are like is there an array it's not just

02:24:02.120 one or the other but if it's a spectrum then the spectrum presumably would go from one extreme to

02:24:06.680 the other and if we're talking that's why we're saying right and wrong and like beautiful and ugly

02:24:10.200 and like good and bad then the clear answers are on the extremes no you think the extreme is the way

02:24:17.080 to go for each thing no you're we're saying right now you've got a spectrum right between like

02:24:21.640 true and false good and bad okay so like a spectrum of sex and there's different sex there's like

02:24:27.320 a good wholesome like waiting for marriage no contacts no life experience like saying just

02:24:32.680 like there's true and false the human behavior is so like has such a range and so many different

02:24:38.200 people and like backgrounds and parenting like that goes into all that there can't just be a

02:24:42.600 right and wrong for everything a black and white for everything there is though there is i don't

02:24:46.840 know why i don't know why there can't be i mean it's just the same thing with there should be a

02:24:49.640 separation between i want to put that yeah there shouldn't be i mean there is a

02:24:53.560 i agree with that do you live strictly by catholic law yeah i try to i mean i probably fail all the

02:24:58.840 time but i try to speaking of latin deus deus walt they was walt they don't pronounce all the

02:25:06.120 moderns want to do it the german way but you got to do it like a good how do you how do you deus

02:25:09.880 walt it's with a v because i've heard it's pronounced with a it's like a w yeah that's what all the like

02:25:15.000 is that wrong weirdos say yeah because if that's true then julius caesar said wheny weedy

02:25:19.240 wiki which is obviously oh good point veni vidi vici baby oh that sounds better yeah yeah that

02:25:25.400 sounds better okay so deus volt can we get some deus volt in the chat boys i want to spam it it's

02:25:32.920 god wills it it was a chant during the crusades um so you were saying i the the sentience comments

02:25:39.880 kind of uh interrupted what you're saying though but so you're saying i'm seeing this one guy i'm

02:25:44.440 hooking up with this one guy but i'm also dating these other guys what you're in the middle of saying

02:25:47.880 something do you recall what that was i think it was about the black and white what i just got to

02:25:53.640 okay i guess i'll take my like sort of i don't mean to sound like a church mom or anything but i'm

02:25:58.440 saying if you got you were all describing all these weird sexual behaviors right and you're saying there

02:26:03.000 is a spectrum and on the spectrum let's go from the one end it's the most trad good like wholesome

02:26:09.240 thing where it's just you and your husband and you've got this good life right and then on the other

02:26:13.720 end it's you with like seven dudes and a chihuahua and i don't know like all this weird stuff yeah

02:26:18.200 right and so on that spectrum that spectrum is actually just like good normal flourishing

02:26:26.200 what makes for you for everybody for all of human history no no i'm just looking at history and i'm

02:26:33.480 looking at also philosophy and i'm looking at also i feel like there's been a lot of terrible things

02:26:38.360 that have happened in history so why are you looking back at history i mean for a long time

02:26:42.040 that's always been good but now we have a different look on love personally i don't think hookup culture

02:26:47.240 is great but a lot of guys will not commit so yeah you don't want can't you make them like you know

02:26:53.320 not to be no because then you come off as crazy or you come off as clingy or like do you know how

02:26:59.240 what hold on hold on these modern women thank you dink when someone says something is objectively

02:27:05.560 wrong modern women hate accountability especially when it comes to having consistent morals and ethics

02:27:12.360 things are black and white it's whether you decide to see it or not sam go ahead i think um men also

02:27:17.960 hate accountability because like we said we pulled out the stats men are leaving their kids and that is

02:27:24.280 the main problem with the world today thank you well there was something roughly okay so let's say

02:27:30.840 you're saying okay there were bad things in the past and now things not everything's perfect but some

02:27:34.600 things are better but we're talking about the change that happened with women's lib right basically the

02:27:40.360 modern feminist stuff which says we're gonna break up the family we're gonna look easier divorce women

02:27:44.920 can go hook up do whatever you want and the thing that's weird about this is if you look at all the studies

02:27:50.760 on all happiness surveys which again take it with a grain of salt but it's all you've got on on these

02:27:55.640 sociological numbers since that all went into effect the hookup culture and abortion and feminism and all

02:28:02.040 the rest women have become less happy everybody's become less happy but women have become especially

02:28:08.280 less happy even relative to men so wouldn't you have to look at that at the last 70 years of

02:28:12.680 feminism and say how would you know women are becoming less happy aren't men more like more likely to

02:28:17.880 have to do suicide now than women like and men certain yes mental health is more higher in men

02:28:23.400 so yes i'm saying everybody is getting less happy and there is a spike in suicides especially among older

02:28:28.600 white men and and drug overdoses as well but if you measure happiness which again is a very difficult

02:28:33.640 thing to do but you just take people's measures of happiness both men and women have declined but

02:28:38.520 women have declined since when faster rate since the 70s because we live on the internet probably

02:28:43.160 everything is still on the internet i mean you this is even you watch the tv you think you're gonna die

02:28:47.400 maybe it's like do we know it's directly caused because women because of feminism i mean i think

02:28:52.520 studies are all fake anyway but if you look at all of these happiness surveys such as they are the

02:28:57.400 big change that happened in the relations between men and women is the advent of feminism and it made

02:29:01.640 women completely miserable probably because they like became more eye-opened and realized whoa my life

02:29:07.160 is shit when you do something that's exactly what happened it what they would do that in the new

02:29:10.520 york radical women's groups these happy women who had good husbands and families would show up

02:29:15.320 happy i'm not even joking and they would go through these struggle sessions and they would raise their

02:29:19.640 consciousness and they would leave miserable and and this happened again and again at these meetings

02:29:24.200 and that's what happened to the whole society over the last like so like wait isn't this the same thing

02:29:27.880 as like the ignorance yeah i feel like they were ignorant before they opened their eyes from the

02:29:33.080 matrix or whatever whatever those the pill that's what the feminists say but no i think they actually

02:29:38.280 were much better adjusted to reality before and then they were told a bunch of lies by the

02:29:42.120 feminists about their when they weren't controlling their own lives and everything was dictated on

02:29:45.800 their husband yeah before when when they believed that men and women are complementary and actually

02:29:50.920 made for one another and that actually we have responsibilities and obligations and not just

02:29:54.920 entitlements to do whatever the hell we want and then after they went to the struggle sessions with

02:29:58.840 all the feminists they were told a lie which is that men and women are not complementary but they're

02:30:02.600 indiscernible basically identical woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle and they were told a lie

02:30:07.560 that they would be much more fulfilled not working for the good of their husband and children but

02:30:11.400 instead going out but aren't men told the same guy who doesn't care about them at all so they can

02:30:15.800 work at a job at the widget that they don't need one that women are like a fish they can have many

02:30:19.800 women men are told the same exact thing yeah no that and that unfortunately is a product of

02:30:23.480 feminism that's affected men too and it's just all a bunch of bs i feel like that was before feminism

02:30:27.640 i feel before it was just hidden they would they yes men yes yes men could she own a wife so much more

02:30:33.000 easily no because we're allowed sex without marriage that's why people don't want to marry anymore

02:30:38.200 okay i understand hookup culture is a problem but when there wasn't hookup culture men were allowed

02:30:43.720 and they had this freedom of being like to cheat on their wives and to get away with it and even laws

02:30:48.200 against adultery and fornication yeah but no one would care you would just turn a blind eye no one

02:30:52.600 would depends what you mean by no one i mean sure men have men have been cats for all of human history

02:30:56.600 oh hold on just a sec guys super chatted 199 and 99 cents girl in the middle men abandoning his

02:31:05.240 duty as father is one issue but you're forgetting that it is the woman's fault for making a baby with

02:31:11.400 him since you argue that women are the final decision makers of intercourse women bear the

02:31:17.080 responsibility of it it's her fault so abortion no no it's her fault for him deciding to leave

02:31:25.320 his kid how would no no no it's the moment you decide to agree to sex and have sex with somebody

02:31:31.400 you have to accept the fact that you can have a baby with that man just as you are hooking up with

02:31:35.240 somebody yeah so but it's still his fault for leaving it's not yeah he has to also accept the

02:31:39.560 responsibility that he's having a kid as well isn't it a two-person thing you said you're having the

02:31:43.880 baby too it's also i mean if you're really trad like you think that men have a leadership responsibility

02:31:49.320 and so really you would blame the man even more the same way that eve eats the apple right the serpent

02:31:53.800 goes up to eve says eat the apple eve eats the apple and that but it's still adam's fault

02:31:58.120 it's not very feminist but that's the way that's the way it goes in the book well i'm not religious

02:32:07.000 i think it's fault of both men and women yeah i think it's just it's the way that our society is

02:32:11.880 right now i'm kind of like i have a sister that's 10 years younger and i'm like horrified i feel so bad

02:32:17.720 for her just because she's growing up in this world where well first of all every you know you

02:32:23.640 grow up on the internet and there's a lot of toxic things you see then um yeah like the hookup

02:32:29.880 culture doesn't help like i remember so how do we solve this problem well you have to eliminate

02:32:34.760 feminism actually because i remember thinking when i was in college i thought the way the hookup culture

02:32:39.320 worked i thought these women had convinced themselves that they were empowered by sleeping with

02:32:44.920 well the definition of feminism changed yeah yeah i think it's different feminism the feminism

02:32:50.360 initially is there's different kind of equality there's equality of a pay that should be allowed

02:32:54.200 there's nothing wrong against like paying the same amount of money to people performing the same kind

02:32:59.400 of job on the same position we are talking about the wage gap now wait we're just all over the place

02:33:04.120 that is part of a feminist no it is there's different spectrums of feminism the feminists we are

02:33:10.760 talking about is the one who said that somebody that somebody has enslaved women and then somebody

02:33:15.480 came in the 70s or 80s and sexually liberated them so now we can sleep around and do whatever that we

02:33:20.520 want because it's gonna make us happier that's not that is a wrong that i would call feminism like i

02:33:26.040 i'm for like i want i'm for gender roles like i don't want men to like i i don't have

02:33:34.040 like i'm not gonna go fight in war but i want to do my womanly duties whatever it will be

02:33:41.560 but i also agree that you know we should support men and men should support women

02:33:47.080 and you agree with the gender roles too i agree with what she said at the end but

02:33:52.040 what about men supporting women from post-soviet countries she's from armivia from ukraine

02:33:56.440 i just don't get it way more than the americans do it's not about gender i don't think it's about

02:34:03.640 gender roles i feel like yeah and since some are gendered but i feel like it's more about

02:34:08.600 delegating tasks to whoever best completes them in the relationship you are unique to the relationship

02:34:14.280 do you think some men and women tend to or be more inclined towards certain things then maybe yeah

02:34:21.080 like maybe i'll probably be better at some things that we'll do with our child and such but i know my

02:34:25.560 boyfriend's a way better to cook than me and he honestly does a way better job at being clean

02:34:28.840 while cooking than i probably ever will maybe a few years look at the same skill but but he's also

02:34:34.040 way better at killing spiders than i am he's also better at lifting weights or telling somebody off

02:34:39.080 than i am so yeah some of those things are gendered but i also think it just comes down to some things

02:34:43.800 he does better than me and that happens to be stereotypical what about when you have relationships

02:34:48.120 that are women and women or men and men like what if you're not gonna yeah i mean well i wouldn't

02:34:54.200 recommend it we can i mean we can talk about all these i love women and women but hold on let's um

02:34:58.680 let's get back to the uh soup chats lane with the 50 hey thank you man michael you and ben are goats

02:35:03.560 thank you for being a source of common sense brian get chase on the show more uh yeah chase um

02:35:08.440 definitely down to have chase back on he's been on a couple shows just he's got a super busy schedule

02:35:13.480 and um i think he's he's mentioned this on his twitter he's dealing with some health issues so

02:35:17.560 he uh has some it's tough it's sometimes tough for him to uh gather the energy um girl with arm tattoo

02:35:24.520 do you still think it's not gay for a guy to have sex with another biological guy just because he

02:35:29.640 identifies as a woman what it was a little con what do you believe

02:35:37.880 you think it's not gay for a man to do those sorts of things with another man

02:35:50.760 if he if he considers himself a woman oh it's the transgender thing you think it's not gay if a man

02:35:58.840 does that sort of thing with a man who says he's a transgender yeah they're mad okay so can we i'm

02:36:07.080 giving context because you try to throw me oh should we play the video should we i'd love to watch the

02:36:11.480 video just just so there's context um eric you're gonna have to pull up the twitter wait i'm excited

02:36:16.760 to see this just pull it up pull up the whatever twitter um i'm not uh don't show it yet until you

02:36:21.560 have the video ready to go but uh while we do that let me uh read a couple soup chats here uh okay

02:36:28.440 we uh okay we have here we go guys here we go yo joker thank you for the 50 euro man bro i'm

02:36:35.480 sorry but jujitsu and krav maga not the same thing i said it's jujitsu that's very different

02:36:42.280 no it's not ju saying what's up eric yeah

02:36:50.120 it's twitter twitter.com slash whatever it is one of the tabs it's just the twitter tab

02:36:54.680 but you are gonna have to scroll down a little bit to find it um okay we have joker with a

02:36:58.280 50 euro damn guys can't answer on the chat and i'm french so i didn't get the joke sorry

02:37:03.320 uh wait he's i wonder i speak a little bit of french um

02:37:07.400 uh eh bien joker merci beaucoup pour le 50 50 euro c'est c'est vraiment tu es vraiment génial c'est

02:37:16.120 très bien ça merci beaucoup monsieur joker moi je m'appelle michelle oui je suis italienne

02:37:22.520 yeah you are the one for me formidable how do you say wife in french uh wave

02:37:32.840 uh tatum uh would you like uh voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir no all right okay

02:37:48.920 r.i.p is in the chat for me boys okay so we have uh were you able to snag it eric

02:37:54.680 uh yeah okay let me just read this one and then we'll uh we'll pull that up ryan the eating warrior

02:38:01.480 thank you for the 50 man appreciate it uh solid beard there bro uh my wife's catholic and claimed

02:38:06.920 to not believe in divorce five years later she's the one that wanted the divorce after i came back

02:38:10.920 from a deployment that seems super common when people uh are deployed in the military uh she had

02:38:16.840 an affair yikes don't get married kings guys over a certain age don't understand the realities

02:38:25.080 tough kind of the concept of driving a car like you know there's a lot of accidents but you still

02:38:29.480 drive a car yeah good analogy yeah what okay uh analogy that's really good hey eric can you is it

02:38:37.240 ready oh yeah is it play from the start oh whoa yeah that's fine

02:38:47.000 chase would you rather smash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in the world

02:38:52.040 honestly bro the oldest woman in the world because then i wouldn't be gay

02:39:00.280 you really just want me to just what if you don't fucking know

02:39:04.600 are you like chase how dare you be transphobic yes actually what the do you mean yes because if i had

02:39:11.480 sex with a trans woman i'd be having sex with a biological man and i don't want to do that the

02:39:16.440 question is that's not what you said though that's fine because i'd be gay if i had sex

02:39:19.960 with a biological man that's not gay and i don't care if you're doing this for like whatever but like

02:39:24.040 shut the up actually i'm doing it for you why don't you why don't you why don't you make me

02:39:30.440 shut the up because i have an opinion that differs from yours

02:39:36.520 she's right i mean that's really nice she's not she's not it would technically be homosexual

02:39:42.520 a trans woman is a biological man i want to meet you

02:39:47.960 up it's real it's true okay if you guys want to respect gender identities that's his though that's his

02:39:54.040 sexuality i'm not allowed to say that i'm not allowed to say that yeah you know what god said

02:40:10.200 it said he made the man and women he made the man he actually said man woman and then i'll pass on that

02:40:16.200 thanks though so no he said god created male and female created he them so there's them

02:40:24.360 no the them refers to the men and the women no but man is the gender so it's like they them

02:40:29.160 he's referring to both of them but he said them so he's like saying man created men and women in

02:40:33.640 them so he no no he said in the beginning god created man both male and female created he them

02:40:40.040 them these yeah these are the types of while other countries are planning to

02:40:44.360 invade us with debating they them i mean you when you refer to multiple people you say them right

02:40:51.880 or you could be referring to the dams it's english they thems don't exist

02:40:58.680 i've met some it's crazy you know you've met very confused men and sometimes very confused women

02:41:04.680 but you have never met most non-binary people like me are women not men yeah just gonna put that

02:41:08.840 out there really why do you think that is um maybe because they don't have to face the consequences

02:41:15.960 of all their friends being jackasses a woman woman coming out as non-binary probably will have a friend

02:41:22.200 group that will accept her more than a man than man than a man coming out as non-binary oh you're

02:41:28.440 i thought you were saying the women get into this stuff because they're really messed up or something

02:41:33.480 more than the men are but you're saying that this is a real category of being and it's just the men are

02:41:37.800 afraid to admit it you can't seriously believe that i do believe there's people who are i don't know

02:41:44.680 if it's ambiguous or what it is there's people who were born in their wrong gender there's people who

02:41:49.560 are born and they don't feel like they fit in either box do i think people are born that believe

02:41:55.640 they're cats and stuff no i don't believe that shit no there are probably i okay do i i'm saying no

02:42:01.240 i don't i'm not saying that's correct but there i haven't seen anything to back that up but i just

02:42:08.200 so the fact that you guys why in what in anyone's right mind would somebody go

02:42:16.360 from like bruce jenner for example caitlin jenner now for example did you just successful

02:42:21.960 name successful athlete olympian whatever all this stuff had a was married to chris jenner had

02:42:28.920 the fucking life of whatever unless she truly believed that and felt that deep inside of her

02:42:35.800 core she ultimately ruined her life for basically a whole decade he became he became much more relevant

02:42:42.840 and famous than he i i highly highly obviously he was on magazine covers everybody was talking

02:42:47.640 way more she's been on magazine covers she's an olympian that's not she's not on she's not

02:42:52.200 he was an olympian many decades ago no exactly he was on a magazine cover for the first time in

02:42:56.600 decades but after she came out as a transgender she got way more hate exactly and her and she got

02:43:02.520 the only thing worse than being talked about is not being but no she okay so take away okay

02:43:09.080 the reason take away caitlin jenner okay hold on hold on put on put on your your basic day-to-day

02:43:13.640 person okay you're not gonna like this one okay i know not you you for example okay there's people

02:43:21.480 like you who are super conservative right in their views and stuff and then they wake up and they want

02:43:28.200 to be a woman and it's but is it because they just woke up and want to be a woman or is it because they

02:43:31.560 finally found the courage to come out with something they've been suppressing their whole lives i just

02:43:35.880 don't understand why you guys think somebody would risk like yes i'm sure some people can

02:43:40.680 benefit from coming out as trans but most people do not benefit from that so why would somebody

02:43:46.040 risk their whole livelihood not even just career but literally trans especially because they have

02:43:50.840 a sexual fetish also why does it bother you i think i feel like why does it bother people because it

02:43:56.280 isn't true but why is that yeah harming you it's not hurting anyone it's harming so do you go around

02:44:02.120 do you go around fighting people who think the world's flat do you go around like you're harming

02:44:05.640 society no well because in the case of transgenderism and this ridiculous idea that men can secretly be

02:44:11.480 women and vice versa there are very practical effects that we see like for instance if we

02:44:16.120 push on to children yeah well it's obviously pushed on to children we're castrating children left and

02:44:20.040 right which is insane but also if they're if we accept transgenderism at all even for one single

02:44:25.800 adult person that means that certain things will change in society women don't get to maybe

02:44:30.920 things need to change women don't get to well perhaps but at least one could have the debate

02:44:35.320 women don't get to have their own bathrooms women don't get to have their own sports teams women

02:44:38.120 don't get to have their own specific rights and places in society protections and civil rights law

02:44:42.360 they lose that because some men can say that they're women so it seems to me the obvious question to ask

02:44:47.480 is not well what does it matter to you who really cares first of all the people pushing this seem to

02:44:51.800 care a lot but the question to ask is is it true are these men who say that they're women actually women

02:44:58.760 or are they men who are confused or who have weird sexual fetishes or have disordered desires

02:45:02.920 gender wise they are biologically they're not so what's the difference there's the difference is

02:45:07.960 like science and then the other difference is like how you feel in your head and the way you are in

02:45:12.520 society there's a huge difference the difference is like the chromosomes and then your mentality okay so

02:45:18.360 if there's a disagreement between your what you're saying is your physical self and your uh your

02:45:24.760 emotional self your psychological self then why would you not just change your mind if the options are

02:45:30.840 chop up your body to make your sick go through gruesome surgeries if you're living with your mind for your

02:45:35.080 whole life and you understand like oh i've been trying to change it like she said most people are repressing

02:45:39.400 it and are trying to change it but they just can't so why would i it's this is something physical that i can

02:45:45.160 easily go change instead of trying to retrain your thought process over and over and over and

02:45:49.960 over but it's like it's because they'd rather be dead they would rather be dead than living the lie

02:45:53.880 anymore but the problem if you bring up like suicidality there is no evidence that having

02:45:59.080 these surgeries and pretending to be the opposite sex reduces any of that whatsoever so there's always

02:46:04.040 gonna be because there's gonna be yeah there's gonna be dysphoria forever especially from people

02:46:07.560 like you guys going on the internet no it's it's from themselves because they know bashing them every

02:46:11.720 day yeah that's my whole thing i'm not bashing anybody i'm not saying you okay maybe i shouldn't say

02:46:14.920 maybe chase because the whole thing because we i didn't even get to speak on the but what he said

02:46:18.920 is totally right okay so let me since we're gonna go back to that the video i got played right if chase

02:46:24.920 if you don't want to sleep with a trans woman that is your prerogative i don't give a what you want to

02:46:29.800 do that is your preference that does not make you transphobic at all but to get up on a podcast that

02:46:34.360 has almost four million viewers and to say that any man who chooses to sleep with a trans woman is now

02:46:40.600 taking part in homosexual gay activities i feel like that is wrong i feel like that is hateful and

02:46:45.320 for somebody who claims to be so religious so god new born again virgin christian i think that's very

02:46:53.000 hateful of you if you want to say i personally wouldn't do that that's not for me then that that's

02:46:57.480 your thing answer the question that's that's how you do it it's a step further is it hateful to say

02:47:02.840 that a man can't really secretly be a woman i'm saying it's hurtful to say that sleeping for any man

02:47:10.040 to sleep the first question you have to answer is not that's not i'm talking about what happened on

02:47:14.280 the podcast i'm referring i'm picking up on his point the question is what is a trans woman and so

02:47:20.200 what chase would say and what i would say and what everybody throughout all of human history until

02:47:24.840 five minutes ago would say is that a trans woman is just a man who is pretending to be a woman so

02:47:30.040 i'm the only one who thinks this in the world yeah you're the menard no she's not a lot of people

02:47:33.400 are saying it now but it's you're historically speaking yes statistically zero percent of people

02:47:39.640 ever have thought that a man wearing a dress that's so incorrect there's cultures where they're

02:47:44.840 what about the fem boys in thailand that have existed for decades and decades and decades and

02:47:48.120 decades there's this third living thing in certain cultures like a modern so you don't don't erase

02:47:52.920 them then you're erasing them that's like me trying to race a religion if i could be like oh well

02:47:56.680 there's some people who believe in this one ancient thing called the bible but yeah some of them what

02:48:00.680 in rome with him but even when you're talking about when you're talking about this weird species of

02:48:05.720 prostitute in thailand weird species of prostitutes yes you don't understand how that sounds you know

02:48:11.480 sounds precise a weird species so now we're not human so back to this a species in the technical

02:48:17.640 let them let them explain yeah so it's a type so even there's this weird phenomenon in thailand for

02:48:22.520 example where there are these guys that a lot of american men go to yeah well they probably shouldn't

02:48:27.240 do that but the the reason that that is different is because it's not those people are not saying i am

02:48:33.080 really a woman that's a weird bizarre cultural carve out that exists in thailand the difference here is and

02:48:38.920 what you are saying is that a man who puts on a dress puts on a wig chops his body up calls himself a

02:48:45.000 woman is actually a woman and i just don't see how you could believe that that is true so she

02:48:53.720 has a vagina shit probably tighter than mine double d racks hair down to the ass looks like a woman

02:49:02.200 talks like a woman does everything besides men straight and can give birth what is what is

02:49:07.320 separating her between the woman who are infertile who can't have birth or a woman after menopause or the

02:49:13.480 woman who never get their period so physically are they not women either physically speaking one

02:49:17.880 those are pretty big differences and there are other differences too in terms of their bone density

02:49:21.080 and the shape oh yeah because you're gonna yeah but also there's the chromosomal differences which is

02:49:26.040 that the that woman as you call still chromosomally is a man and then beyond that are you actually

02:49:32.280 saying that women are just their bodies that a woman is nothing more than are you saying a woman is

02:49:36.120 just her chromosomes she's nothing more than just her chromosomes i'm saying a woman is much more than all of

02:49:40.040 that that actually me too that's why i'm saying that not just if she feels since the day she was

02:49:45.000 woke up in this what i'm saying yes and that person woke up the first day of their conscience and since

02:49:49.880 they can remember they remember their soul being a woman or a man or whatever well that's not true

02:49:54.200 that's usually

02:49:54.680 so do you believe people aren't gay either then do you believe nobody's gay and they just do it for

02:50:02.280 attention to say i am gay means that i have an attraction to a member of the same sex okay i'm just

02:50:07.480 i'm just clarifying because a lot of people who usually do this this this trans argument are

02:50:10.600 also arguing that gay people don't exist either nobody denies that certain people have different

02:50:14.920 sexual attractions in fact people deny it all the time actually they say it's a choice that they're

02:50:18.760 choosing to do that they're not born that way they're certainly choosing to engage in certain

02:50:21.480 behaviors but choosing to engage because it's a it's your biological driven no you can suppress your

02:50:27.240 own desires i have all sorts of desires that i repress yes you can suppress your own desires but why

02:50:31.480 should somebody get a delicious hard seltzer yes you can suppress your own desires but why should somebody

02:50:35.400 have to suppress if it's two legal consenting adults why should somebody have to suppress that just

02:50:40.120 because we have obligations to reality into the truth what's the reality the reality is we should

02:50:44.280 be the reality is the reality the reality is that a man in a dress is not a man or is not okay but i

02:50:49.080 was trying to get away from something else this is why the whole thing goes back to where it's called

02:50:53.240 transgender and not trans sex like it's you can't change your sex to the down to the bottom of it your

02:50:57.640 chromosomes are going to be your chromosomes but they're changing their gender and gender is a man-made

02:51:02.440 thing it's something that we've created we've created genders and gender roles in our society

02:51:07.160 we did not create sex yes there's men and female that goes back to science or god whatever you like

02:51:12.120 to say if gender is man-made then you're saying it's artificial it's not real it's not real okay so

02:51:17.640 then who cares exactly so why do you care oh well if it's so if it's not real then the trans woman is

02:51:22.440 just a man because you said because you said that gender is not real she's a woman but i think gender

02:51:27.160 is and i don't think it should bother you and i don't think it should get all these little incel

02:51:31.000 men angry about it do you not think i mean okay i think the issue is that this whole conversation it

02:51:38.600 makes them um that the male role right that kind of creates the more i don't know i just think the

02:51:48.200 the whole argument about gender it's so pushed out into the into our society i don't think it's

02:51:54.600 like this in the rest of the world right now there's so many other issues like the rest of the world

02:51:59.320 knows what men and women 62 different genders yeah it's kind of insane i mean i don't want to

02:52:06.360 i'm not hateful towards anyone i think as long as you're a good person you can do whatever you want

02:52:11.240 i just don't like that it's pushed onto children because like a lot of people that are getting these

02:52:14.520 surgeries they regret it and then a lot of children that are put onto hormones it really

02:52:19.800 messes with your and also obviously this is something that is brand new to our our society

02:52:27.080 and there needs to be a lot more research done and more understanding about it and like there needs

02:52:31.080 to be laws done so i understand i don't think kids should be getting their parts changed but i guess my

02:52:36.440 question is they have to be 18 that's already in place no no that's not you know the transition

02:52:40.200 process can start much younger than that hormones yes but they and obviously in america yeah but

02:52:45.000 america you cannot get a surgery before the age of 18. legally you cannot get surgery yeah because

02:52:52.600 the laws are somewhat ambiguous so they can cut your yeah yeah they can but like i i used to teach a lot

02:52:57.880 and just from experience and you know i don't know much so i don't want to like say too much no you're

02:53:02.840 right about almost everything i'm very impressed with how right and wrong like i don't know don't tell me

02:53:08.840 like you know oh i'm telling you i don't care you can tell me no but you're right about these

02:53:13.160 basic things right and a lot of kids i noticed that have a lot of these gender issues and then they

02:53:20.280 wear their gender on their sleeve and then they're like i'm gay or you know like they they're very

02:53:26.440 they're like they tend to have depression they're very like i feel like they need support and help not

02:53:33.800 just in the gender department where people are pushing them oh maybe you should be gay or maybe you

02:53:38.760 should do this like there's much more i had a girl come up to me i was giving a speech and she said

02:53:42.280 hey michael thanks for speaking out on the transgender thing because i had gender dysphoria

02:53:47.880 and she was young i mean this girl was in her it was a teenager and she said i gender dysphoria and and

02:53:51.720 my psychologists were starting to push me down this path of transition that's wrong i believe that's

02:53:55.880 well she said luckily i good parents and good priest and they said you're not actually a boy

02:53:59.640 and guess what happened she kept going to see psychologists they figured out that actually

02:54:04.200 she had undiagnosed autism so they started treating her autism and what do you know her

02:54:09.080 gender dysphoria greatly abated now it's basically it all starts it goes back to good family exactly

02:54:14.040 and because i've been teaching in san francisco since 2016 so i've seen a lot of how that affects

02:54:20.440 kids i teach kids all the way from tk through high school so yes all right there is definitely

02:54:26.360 a correlation between the two but it's typically because those kids you know depression can be

02:54:31.320 something that's brought on to you from your environment or it could be something that's just

02:54:34.040 a chemical imbalance in your brain it doesn't have to be from a situation of the chemical imbalance

02:54:37.960 before i forget but but usually usually a lot of these times it's why there's this correlation is

02:54:44.440 because they find that the lgbtq community or whatever is more accepting so they think oh just

02:54:49.960 because my friends that i choose to hang out with or gay and stuff means i must be yes that's a

02:54:54.360 problem yes they shouldn't be able to just now go to their therapist and say i want to now change my

02:54:58.520 hormones for sure that's why i don't you know in that situation it was a priest but in a lot of

02:55:03.240 cases it's usually another therapist intervention i'm sure you can in some places it's easy but

02:55:09.080 i don't have any trans friends personally but i've watched a lot of experiences online

02:55:13.240 it is not easy to just go through these surgeries you have to get documents from family friends

02:55:18.920 therapists psychiatrists everything it's not just you go you wake up one day and say okay i'm a boy

02:55:23.080 they're going to give you hormones they're going to chop off and do this that's not how it works

02:55:26.280 i talked to a girl who that is actually exactly what happened she walked into a planned parenthood

02:55:30.440 she said she had gender dysphoria and she wanted to to receive uh testosterone and she was able to

02:55:36.040 receive that prescription very quickly it's a lot easier because well unless you're prepubescent

02:55:41.560 most of the things not all of them are reversible because especially testosterone it's not all

02:55:45.960 reversible but with those things i could see how it is easier because it is a hormone because just how

02:55:50.920 those things are given out for other situations yes besides just the problem i guess is this which

02:55:57.400 is if you really believe as you say that for some people some people are faking it right and some

02:56:02.520 people think they're a cat and they're not obviously they're not a cat but for some people i don't know

02:56:06.680 who these people are there are really men who are secretly somehow women and therefore they should

02:56:12.360 transition to become women so the question is at what point were they the wrong sex it's from the

02:56:19.080 moment of birth right they were born that way so if they were born that way then why wouldn't we

02:56:24.040 trans the kids because that's the whole thing is how can a child be so certain they have to grow into

02:56:30.200 those emotions and feelings i thought they knew from that you just said they knew from the earliest

02:56:33.480 moments they've known from the beginning that something was wrong that's usually what it is they

02:56:37.080 know something's wrong that they that they're not fitting like for example it's not sometimes they grow

02:56:41.960 out of it well honestly i don't really don't think people grow out of it i think they're either a lot of

02:56:47.080 the condition to not do it or they realize the other way might be easier or that there's and then

02:56:51.080 there are people who are faking it yeah for a lot of people who suffer gender dysphoria or used to

02:56:55.240 be called gender identity disorder the vast majority of teenagers who suffer that will grow out of it

02:57:00.280 within a few years that gender dysphoria will go away for some smaller percentage that that dysphoria

02:57:05.320 persists and i think you're confusing maybe gender dysphoria or not just you but these stats and people

02:57:10.200 who report back are confusing sometimes gender dysphoria versus not feeling like i don't know a

02:57:16.200 woman when you're growing up or feeling like a man so that's also what people there's so many

02:57:20.040 terminology and words and buzzwords out there these days that people try to label themselves with

02:57:24.680 anything when it's sometimes it's not that deep wait so kiko i have a question i kind of asked this

02:57:29.080 last show and i don't think i really got a proper answer on it so my question was ignoring gender identity

02:57:37.400 ignoring gender if we're just looking at sex if two so two males i'm not talking about two men i'm

02:57:44.120 talking about two males if two males were to have sex is that not gay is that not homosexual i'm not

02:57:52.600 saying it's wrong but is that since sexuality is or homosexual i base sexuality off of gender so i would

02:58:00.920 not i would need to know their gender and other chromosomes okay so if you dated a guy you were

02:58:05.240 dating or let's say you were married to this guy he's been your husband for 10 years and then one day

02:58:09.960 he says i'm a woman now and you went and you engaged in that thing married couples engage in

02:58:15.080 would that would you say you're a lesbian now she's the husband you've been married she wouldn't be a

02:58:19.160 lesbian but maybe she's bisexual now maybe she's no no but her her husband is now her yeah i get what

02:58:25.960 you're trying to get at yeah your point you're trying to get out and technically

02:58:31.000 yeah i mean you don't i think it's i think it's i think it's would be ridiculous like for people to

02:58:37.720 like you know go out in public and not transition themselves at all and expect to be like if you

02:58:43.320 thought your pronouns were she hers to expect people to refer to you as she her or ma'am whatever

02:58:49.080 presenting yourself like this yeah i think things like that are ridiculous there has to be some types

02:58:54.760 where it says gender roles so that's the whole that's the whole reason why they're wanting to

02:58:59.480 say they're transgender is because they want to follow the other gender role right so follow the

02:59:04.360 gender so then instead but this is a great point because this is where i differ from some of the

02:59:09.000 conservatives here a lot of the conservatives say gender expression is totally fake and sex is all

02:59:13.080 that matters and i'm kind of with you in the sense that i think gender expression obvious is real they're

02:59:17.800 feminine men they're masculine women all that's true but instead of concluding therefore that we have the

02:59:23.640 right not only to have any gender expression we want but actually to be the different

02:59:28.280 sex and to call myself a woman or call myself a man why didn't we take in the other direction

02:59:32.040 and say if you're a man there's obviously diversity is the spice of life but you have a general obligation

02:59:38.200 to act like a man and if you're a woman you can be kind of diverse and you can be a little more

02:59:42.360 tomboyish maybe or whatever but you have a general obligation to act like a woman i feel like we do and

02:59:47.800 if you don't you get bullied ostracized into the group there's cultural pressure let me uh interject really

02:59:53.160 quick we have 8 000 people watching the chat is on fire guys i just got a text from chase if we can get

02:59:59.640 the likes to 5 000 it's at uh 3.7k right now if we can get the likes to 5 000 chase will call in right

03:00:07.080 now and we can no you don't want to talk to chase different episode well no we got 10 15. wow you're

03:00:14.200 checking your watch this come on where we i would like to do a whole episode with chase well chase

03:00:21.400 just wants to say hi really quick oh yeah yeah like a two minute high it has to be why always in the

03:00:27.320 end like can we guys get the likes to 5 000 get the don't worry it's just gonna be a two minute phone

03:00:31.960 call he just wants to check in see how you're doing like i know he's a crazy but why is he

03:00:38.360 a co-host oh he well no he was what does he do like i want to know about you well no he's just

03:00:42.520 he's been a male guest a couple times on the show he was the guy in the yeah yeah yeah that we just

03:00:45.800 reacted to so uh guys get the likes to 5 000 and we'll get chase to call in since all these people

03:00:50.680 are watching i also want to say um we need more strong men in like movies and tv shows i feel like

03:00:57.480 a lot of movies and tv shows talking about the men like they don't kill like they don't kill

03:01:01.960 monsters anymore are you go on netflix and scroll down every maybe you're just consuming media that's

03:01:07.240 not saying that but that's still like the premise of most oh well isn't all the men in tv are like

03:01:11.880 these weak shlubby idiot husbands and and in all the superhero and like cool guy movies watch them

03:01:18.840 just came out marvel movie just came out ant-man just came out yeah top gun just came out that's

03:01:23.560 still just because we have a couple of movies thrown in that aren't anymore that's the only

03:01:27.720 but i feel like a lot of maybe strong men in general maybe they're just like it's finally

03:01:31.800 equaling out and it's strong men and women in both different i don't think they're equaling out i

03:01:35.400 think they're trying to make men weaker so true they're trying to pretend that women are men

03:01:39.640 and men are i like both i like strong women i like strong men but a strong woman and a strong

03:01:44.200 man don't look the same no like in different movies totally no no but i'm saying even what it means

03:01:48.600 to be a strong woman doesn't mean like i agree with you like they say that in you know in the past that

03:01:52.920 there were no strong women characters but i feel like they were like yeah i don't know joan of arc

03:01:59.160 various queens yeah cleopatra yeah in all greek mythology yeah greek mythology like all mythology

03:02:05.720 yeah in christianity the virgin mary like all the saints so uh fiona and tatum you guys have been a

03:02:11.480 little quiet do you guys have any thing we're 300 likes away by the way wow get it i think you should

03:02:18.840 go do a dance i should do a dance in the in the trilby or the well while we do that let me uh just

03:02:25.320 get a couple soup chats in uh we're pretty behind on the soup chat so i will try to get through all

03:02:30.200 of them guys but sorry that we've had a very lively conversation so uh so uh it's there's quite a few

03:02:37.720 sorry for the backlog here uh okay we did that one i think we did did we do we did yeah uh ft3 uh 50

03:02:46.440 dollar soup chat question for michael what percent of modern women do you think are capable of

03:02:49.480 entering in a faith-based marriage where divorce is simply not an option that's where the that

03:02:54.520 argument falls apart in 2023 it's it's any woman could it's just you know are you willing to do

03:03:01.640 that you know any it's never too late for anybody anybody can change them i've changed my mind on a

03:03:05.480 million things i asked my friend andrew clavin when i was getting married i said what what advice do you

03:03:09.400 give me to get married he said okay uh reject feminism just reject it entirely it'll make your life

03:03:14.680 miserable and two don't sleep with other people and if you do those two things you're gonna have

03:03:19.720 a good marriage and i think that's the case and so you know if it you you just have to be so

03:03:25.960 straightforward about it from the very beginning i i feel all the problems of the hookup culture and

03:03:30.280 the talking culture and all this all the problems you're describing are because there's so much

03:03:34.760 uncertainty and nobody has any idea what the hell anybody's supposed to do because there are no

03:03:38.840 standards and there are no norms we don't even know what a man is and what a woman is anymore and we

03:03:42.360 don't even see depictions of this that we can emulate and so i think you know we're all we're

03:03:46.360 all complaining here well i'm not about how we don't want things to be black and white but if things

03:03:51.400 were a little more black and white if we had clarity on some of these issues then you wouldn't be getting

03:03:55.960 into marriage like brian is worried is this woman going to take my kids and have my stuff you should

03:04:00.040 go to another country it's much more black and white it is i know yeah and you find that free and

03:04:05.000 liberating when it's much more black and white and when you have no it's all oh sorry we'll come back to you sam

03:04:11.960 two hundred dollars so you want them for what they believe there but they didn't believe what

03:04:16.840 they really are i'm still not gay and definitely not delusional that is a pretty simple concept

03:04:23.080 just be gay kiko teaches asteroid please you want the asteroid okay here we go

03:04:29.320 let's send the asteroid lads oh oh my god oh my goodness okay uh yo derek thank you man

03:04:36.440 travis i believe thank you man um here we got this next one we have yo dave on jackson thank you for the

03:04:41.880 big hundred man so i marry you promise to protect and provide for you and in return you don't even

03:04:46.760 take my last name tatum all right once again oh hold on oops what oh my goodness whoa oh my god

03:05:00.920 i know i suppose i do um all right have you changed your mind on no tatum atlas hello

03:05:09.400 all right okay can you show the can you show the camera the uh your the ring again that i gave you

03:05:16.680 oh wow damn okay cool uh and then we have uh her and thank you for the 50 man big fan of both you

03:05:24.120 guys been watching whatever since the pranks as i'm 30 and a dinosaur as well yep a few of you on that

03:05:30.040 one also as much as i disagree with kiko i strongly respect her for coming back on again and again uh

03:05:35.640 hashtag marriage for the l hashtag where's austice hashtag certified 10. well i certainly uh

03:05:43.640 kiko i i uh commend you for you know returning on the show after we you know obviously we have

03:05:50.760 exchanges and debates but uh i'm i'm that that seems like a very not genuine smile you just

03:05:58.760 just that was a okay anyways in any case kiko's just sticking around for me i think i'm because

03:06:05.960 because we're this close to making kiko pro-life we're gonna wait no you're not you're nowhere

03:06:10.360 close don't ever say my name with that again

03:06:14.920 that just made my stomach hurt jesus okay i think you're great though but i will never ever change my

03:06:21.160 opinion on that some other things you might get me you might get me on some other things you argue

03:06:24.760 very well yeah you do i'm saying i'm literally telling you i'm you could probably not probably

03:06:29.960 it is possible for you to change my opinion on almost absolutely anything besides pro-life

03:06:36.840 versus pro-choice that's all i'm saying that when i've i have i've done my research i have my ducks

03:06:40.680 in order i'm not changing my my opinion that's great well maybe i'll start with all the other

03:06:44.840 stuff and i'll build up to the yeah guys 200 i think is it what 200 more likes and we will

03:06:52.760 cut cut with anyone oh maybe 100 more likes okay uh we have uh we did this one hey thank you her

03:06:59.880 we have martin here hey thank you man german girl brian brian doesn't need to experience his parents

03:07:04.920 divorce to be nervous about divorce i think she's uh from new ukraine uh it's called being a sentient

03:07:11.800 aware human being women always pull the cat causal connection card must you have walked the streets of

03:07:18.120 jerusalem to speak about jesus good point good point good point all right we have uh drive here

03:07:26.680 uh merci beaucoup pour la canadian uh 50 uh thank you just tuned in not the crossover i expected mr

03:07:33.160 knowles not against sacramental marriage or kids but i fear the government government contract that seems

03:07:39.240 to incentivize broken homes add to that the emotional and financial toll or the child support and imprisonment

03:07:46.120 yeah well you make a great point you don't make a good point against the government being involved

03:07:50.680 in marriage the the state the government has always been involved in marriage from the dawn of time

03:07:55.000 and until the present because it's a public act it's and well and churches very often were established in

03:08:00.600 the in the countries um but but it's a public act right that you you need witnesses you usually do in

03:08:05.720 front of the community there's a minister so it's got obviously got to involve the public and public just

03:08:09.720 means politics but to the point that yeah the government used to incentivize people staying together made

03:08:15.480 divorce very hard didn't mean you lose you lost half your stuff and lost your kids you know so yeah

03:08:20.360 the government really screwed it up and we should just pass laws to make divorce much harder and make

03:08:24.600 marriage much stronger and then then we'll have better incentive to get married hey drive divorce

03:08:29.160 should be harder to do i think people get married too much too often too soon all right we have uh ryan

03:08:34.920 the eating warrior once again hey thank you man great beard you have there by the way thank you

03:08:38.760 for the 50 if a guy excuse me if a guy isn't okay with baby deleting that's their deal breaker send

03:08:46.120 the asteroid baby deleting if a guy like abortion abortion you're saying if you have a guy is reacting

03:08:53.080 to that he's yeah he's mad that we a lot of us said if someone was pro-life yo ryan thank you there

03:08:57.480 for the 50 uh and let me do uh three more soup chats then we're gonna call chase uh frankie k thank you

03:09:02.600 for the 50 my hot take women make that face again kiara no i won't you don't get anything more from

03:09:11.640 okay all right we have uh frankie k thank you for the 50 my hot take women who have broken up friend

03:09:16.840 groups by dating everyone in them women with over 300 bodies are generally loose women should not be

03:09:21.480 giving out marriage advice kiko kiko i didn't break out the front i didn't break yeah that that friend

03:09:26.760 group is still strong they're so strong going they just all share an affinity for you

03:09:30.520 yes yeah they all just were like they're just i mean they're still together they're all good

03:09:36.920 friends now so i didn't break them apart if anything i made them grow stronger together they

03:09:41.400 like bonded yeah they bonded over my hatred they're like oh she got us and now they're all besties

03:09:47.800 for the rest of life wow so i actually helped them i don't know what they're talking about you you

03:09:51.720 you are a saint i was doing god's work oh hi brother super chatted 200 thank you man girl w the

03:10:01.720 pony you are the epitome of waiting to respond instead of listening then replying be quiet for

03:10:07.240 a second and just contemplate a thought deeper than a rain puddle brian keep it up mike good to see you on

03:10:14.760 here that's a very encouraging super chat there you go great there you go hey yeah thank you there uh

03:10:22.200 cw degras i appreciate it um all right we have i was told by the comments i wasn't speaking enough

03:10:28.920 actually oh well i think at the beginning of the show maybe a a little bit and then and then i can't

03:10:34.200 i can't i can't win or lose you know yeah damned if you do damned if you don't so might as well just do

03:10:39.720 story of your life uh how how do you spell your name kiara he's asking how you spell your name

03:10:47.400 chase says hi by the way chase is asking how to spell my name no this is frankie k uh kiko is

03:10:52.600 spelled k-e-e-k-o no no no they well i think your actual name uh and then two more soup chats and then

03:10:59.880 we're gonna call chase yo zachary thank you the 50 man you are relying on beliefs in both cases third

03:11:04.200 wave feminism versus religion at the end of the day a woman has control by not having

03:11:08.360 uh sex uh grape accounts for less than one percent of abortion more late-term abortions

03:11:14.840 than gun homicides zachary oh can we check that stat like right now i mean more people more late

03:11:21.160 term late-term abortions so you're saying after 30 weeks take place than gun homicides in america

03:11:26.520 is what we're saying i i would love to check the stats on that one think about gun gun i think michael

03:11:32.200 should speak on real masculine values to the panel all these goofy red pill coaches are telling all

03:11:38.360 these men that high value means being free to cheat on women masculinity has nothing to do with

03:11:44.680 promiscuity will take women and men to change current dating culture yeah really great point i find all the

03:11:51.800 red pill stuff is so stupid it's just not because it's it it's just this it's just another shade of

03:11:58.920 liberalism and feminism so what do you think about that andrew tate guy andrew tate you know andrew tate

03:12:04.040 got big because he says yeah well and he also contradicts political correctness and wokeness and says

03:12:12.280 really basic stuff like men are not women and all that stuff you know but but uh we afraid like the

03:12:17.560 romanian government's going to come in or something yeah uh but but the problem is the

03:12:22.440 guy the guy is a pimp right so he's in prison for being a pimp at least you own up to it because

03:12:28.120 every other person comes up and you're like oh no yeah oh no it's just don't be a pimp i mean i mean

03:12:33.560 that's like pretty basic right it's not he's a pimp he sells women's flesh for money and so yeah

03:12:39.400 yeah yeah online he says the word he says out of his mouth i just like yeah it's neither people

03:12:46.840 don't usually move to romania for normal reasons so i don't know he's not the worst guy in the world

03:12:50.760 he's contradicting uh the the politically correct culture i think he's a genius he's obviously super

03:12:56.040 smart he's just like he's a good psychologist him and trump and it seems like he's trying to get

03:13:01.640 more serious right he's taking he's already earned all his money off of all the incels now he can like

03:13:07.080 start to show his real personality and how he's actually a genius for using all these

03:13:10.760 he was committing he was committing fraud and fraud is like basically as bad a sin as you can commit

03:13:17.240 dante puts fraud in the lowest circles of everything he can lose his religion well he can change his life

03:13:23.800 i know you think he could buy himself out of prison he can change his life and repent and maybe he's in

03:13:27.320 the process of that but yeah you don't want to model your life after some pimp because it also it just

03:13:31.560 goes nowhere i mean this is the problem with if you're just dating dating dating and you have no

03:13:35.640 interest in getting married or anything it's just there's no point to it you know you just remain

03:13:38.920 perpetually a child and so you're a little boy you're not a man i was crying about that oh we

03:13:44.360 were talking about that earlier all right one uh last super chat and then we're gonna oh he changes

03:13:49.240 the subject yo rob cd thank you thank you for the 50 man really appreciate it this show provides a great

03:13:55.160 argument to repeal the 19th amendment great job ladies do you have a response to is i believe that's

03:14:03.960 woman's suffrage it was he went and end the suffrage now you know there's too much suffraging in the

03:14:09.080 world um that's that is still on his comments guys he wants to take away your right to vote

03:14:16.360 little toxic yeah i don't know anyways okay um i've never voted anything that's very contradicting to

03:14:24.600 what you said i mean besides the abortion debate but i think you and you guys are you know a lot of

03:14:32.120 common ground the reason there were a lot of women when when the 19th amendment was ratified there

03:14:36.680 were a lot of women who opposed it people don't really make sense of that why would women not

03:14:40.840 want the right to vote but the argument was that the political unit should be the family so there

03:14:46.040 should be one vote per family which now would be you would like talk about it doesn't make sense

03:14:50.680 one person goes and votes yeah basically and so now it would never that would never happen because if you

03:14:56.840 if you took that away then the single women would just outnumber the married women and and uh

03:15:01.080 or they'd have such a disproportionate representation that they'd just elect libs all the time

03:15:04.840 but it does raise this interesting question which is why would women oppose their own right to vote

03:15:09.800 and then i think well okay i'm a millennial millennials vote for libs all the time they screw up the whole

03:15:13.640 country if you told me right now michael we we're going to take away the right to vote from all

03:15:17.480 millennials so you will lose your right to vote but republicans will win the elections and conservatives

03:15:22.520 would win i'd think like okay take it i don't even want to go vote on tuesday you know why not because

03:15:26.920 what's the point of voting is voting so that i go get a sticker and i feel good about the act in itself no

03:15:30.760 the point of voting is good government in the end yeah but does voting really matter and that's

03:15:35.880 another great question no it doesn't so i've never voted okay for like the hold on but like the for

03:15:42.280 like the the what's it called hold on like no i live in california why does it matter yeah chase

03:15:51.080 what's up bro can you hear me yeah hey uh one in the chat guys if you're able to hear chase hey

03:15:55.800 chase can you just say uh testing one two one two testing one two one two what's up bros in the

03:16:01.320 chat hey let us know if it's uh coming in good eric is it uh audio coming in good can you guys hear me

03:16:08.760 okay is it yeah the chat's catching up we're just waiting to see if the chat can hear you

03:16:14.840 this way it's kind of kind of a scuff setup we're really far behind on the chat holy crap

03:16:21.960 sorry guys yeah one okay perfect all right um so are you guys gonna hey chase

03:16:31.320 what's up guys what's up michael hey what's up kiko hello to the rest of the ladies on the panel

03:16:35.960 shout out to the bros in the chat he knows me by first name chase we were just admiring your beautiful

03:16:40.840 argument about transgenderism which was pithy and illuminating and just a magnificent performance

03:16:46.920 thank you thank you yes it was uh it was quite a moment i enjoyed kiko's performance in particular

03:16:54.200 kiko is not amused by that by that statement i'm not surprised i want a part two

03:17:01.880 you're doing a great job holding it down on the podcast i wanted to ask where's the girl in blue from

03:17:06.280 um well i was born in armenia i lived in russia then we moved to houston texas and i went to school

03:17:13.240 in new york and then moved to la kind of well i i just wanted to say your uh your takes have been

03:17:19.080 extremely based tonight and i've heard that uh a lot of women in eastern europe have have similar

03:17:25.000 based takes and traditional values is that true yeah yeah i mean based on historic you know history

03:17:32.440 and surviving i guess that's where it stems from but yeah that's awesome that's awesome yes we need

03:17:39.880 uh i think we need to bring more eastern european women to america so that we can uh set things

03:17:44.920 straight everybody that's my only pro-immigration area i say yes eastern european based right-wing

03:17:52.680 women let me just they all get green cards yeah i want to add to that the the gymnasts

03:17:57.720 the eastern european gymnasts we're getting very specific now they can come they can so um chase

03:18:06.360 do you have anything you want to say to kiko um i just want to uh i want to commend her for her

03:18:14.280 continued participation on the podcast apparently she's got you know some pretty uh some pretty thick

03:18:19.960 skin i don't i don't know if she's received any hatred from the uh that podcast we did i'm curious

03:18:25.080 kiko have you received any hatred has it been okay what's the response been on your end um yeah

03:18:30.200 like i'm getting pretty harassed yesterday i was told they're gonna burn me alive behead me chop me up

03:18:38.760 gut me i won't include the n words that they said in it but well i just disavow disavow yeah 100%

03:18:46.840 disavow i just want to say for everybody watching the show and listening uh even though kiko and i disagree

03:18:52.280 on some of these fundamental things i don't think it's okay to uh send her death threats or

03:18:56.440 anything like that 100% we can disagree politely um and i'm curious kiko if if if you had the

03:19:03.880 opportunity to go back would you do anything differently do you feel like you handled yourself

03:19:07.960 the way you wanted to do you still feel the same what do you think um only thing i would have changed

03:19:12.840 is i would not have told you to shut the fuck up probably what about the the dick sucking what about

03:19:18.920 that no i definitely would have still told you that cock yeah still would have said that maybe

03:19:23.320 a fatter cock yeah yeah i shouldn't have told you shut the fuck up no but you could still suck multiple

03:19:30.280 cocks from that statement definitely but and i wish i just wish um my biggest regret in that situation

03:19:37.000 is i have been staying for a while you know i had to leave to go to work so i do wish we could have

03:19:41.480 not had a whole dragged out conversation about it but um exchange more words before i made my exit

03:19:51.240 right i understand i understand well i will still pass on your uh recommendation for me to suck

03:19:57.000 dicks uh and the one thing i'm curious about if if i if i were to say that men are men and women are

03:20:06.920 women and abortion is murder and christ is lord i'm curious what would you say to that i have to say

03:20:13.240 amen i said i'll see you in hell my brother well you won't see him yeah i will because if he's going

03:20:19.320 around muttering that i think we're going to end up in the same place what hey what oh hey i'm just

03:20:25.720 repeating what uh jesus christ said in the word of god and what god said himself

03:20:30.360 he's got he's got an open invite to heaven for anybody who wants it so i invite you and the rest

03:20:35.480 of the panelists to uh accept jesus christ and meet me there in heaven you know i left him a good six

03:20:40.920 years ago and i plan on staying here come back i don't want to why not i was there for a good 16

03:20:47.320 years saw the bullshit ready made my exit don't plan on returning chase do you have any pithy apologetics

03:20:53.080 and evangelism oh we could i mean we could definitely get into that i think it's a little bit beyond the

03:20:58.920 scope of of this right now but just out of curiosity kiko what what was the final nail in

03:21:05.560 the coffin for your faith what was it ultimately that turned you away from it all um just realizing

03:21:11.720 how many things were rewritten in the bible i'm talking mostly from catholicism not christianity i

03:21:17.560 wasn't very pertained to that but just how many things are rewritten in the bible that people

03:21:22.280 nowadays say is from like homosexuality and such but really it's about the p-word and just there's so

03:21:27.000 many people in the higher church that are p-words that they try to rewrite history to make it about

03:21:32.360 homosexuality when really it's about you know not doing that things but you know we struggle with

03:21:37.560 that in the catholic church so we had to rewrite a little bit of things you know catholics have a

03:21:41.960 lower rate of of pedophilia and sexual abuse than uh public schools by a lot really i went to catholic

03:21:48.600 school but yeah i mean i don't know any of my public school friends that were

03:21:51.960 touched by any of their teachers but i can't say that about my classmates well yeah i mean i'm not

03:21:57.480 downplaying obviously sexual abuse exists everywhere but the catholic church does not have a higher rate

03:22:01.400 of sexual abuse than any other religion and has a much lower rate than public schools so okay but

03:22:06.040 you're saying that public schools but we're talking about religion and i'm just saying that there's a

03:22:09.160 a correlation yeah i can hear you if if we could for just a moment i want to go back to the claim

03:22:14.600 that kiko just made so in leviticus it says that if a man lies with a male as he would with a woman

03:22:20.760 that's an abomination and it also says in genesis that chief you're talking about religion and not

03:22:26.840 everyone's religious one second says that god god made the male and female and that the two are to

03:22:31.720 become one flesh are you telling me that that part has been rewritten or which part's been rewritten i'm

03:22:36.760 sorry as soon as you pull out the whole mumbo jumbo like it's just because you said it you said it's

03:22:42.200 all been rewritten and you learned this i know but then chase quoted directly from genesis and leviticus

03:22:47.800 and he could quote from the gospel of matthew and many other places in the in the bible and so he's

03:22:51.800 saying is that was this rewritten and my whole point is i think these girls might see it too i'm not using

03:22:57.720 religious jargon or these terminologies when he says that it is in one ear out the other we don't even

03:23:03.720 listen i couldn't even tell you one thing he just said because we don't care yeah religion has

03:23:07.960 nothing to do with us chase is it cool because we separate state and religion no but he just

03:23:12.840 y'all can believe what you want it doesn't hurt us for y'all to believe what you want but you're not

03:23:15.720 going to indoctrin on us to believe that exactly believe what you want but we're not going to switch

03:23:20.840 sides but that's also kind of a religious view i guess is the issue to say like it's cool for

03:23:24.600 everyone to believe what they want yeah is it though hold on there is this do you hear me yeah

03:23:30.280 go ahead go ahead chase if if i may there is a specific claim made that the scriptures about

03:23:35.240 homosexuality were rewritten and i just referenced scriptures about homosexuality and so i'm asking

03:23:41.000 which of those scriptures were rewritten oh i i couldn't recite off the top of my head i don't

03:23:44.760 give a fuck like that at all i've just researched it before i know it's happened but i don't keep that

03:23:49.480 written in my mental blog philippians 132 has been rewritten to be about sexuality instead of like

03:23:54.760 no i don't i don't care about this shit on my day-to-day life like you guys do but it's just

03:23:58.760 maybe if that's the thing that kind of turned you up you said oh i just realized this was all rewritten

03:24:02.440 and then you can't recall how because there's multiple things after 16 years there's like multiple

03:24:07.000 things i would just build up so that was finally kind of like the one nail on the coffin but it wasn't

03:24:10.920 such a big nail for me to like be ingrained in my mind because there was already so many things

03:24:14.600 leading up to it it was kind of just like tipping the boat over but is it maybe if you thought that

03:24:18.840 was so important and then you realize you couldn't recall it is it possible that you were just

03:24:22.040 mistaken and you know you actually it's not even you're just confident even though you can't recall

03:24:27.880 kiko would you say that it's fair to say that your biggest problem is with the pedophilia and the

03:24:32.680 church because if that's if that was your biggest problem and that was the nail to us let's move

03:24:38.120 let's move away from that but chase how about this when we when we have you on the show uh

03:24:42.440 uh we'll we'll do uh you and kiko yeah we can round two round two um i think she's down i think she's

03:24:51.160 down that's a that's like a kind of on the fence but uh uh uh chase any uh final any uh final messages

03:24:59.480 and then also uh we're gonna need to hear a uh deus volt from you oh absolutely well i just wanted to

03:25:06.440 say great work with the show man it's it's incredible to see how it's taking over the

03:25:10.280 internet michael it's really cool to see you on the show you're absolutely holding it down bro and uh

03:25:15.720 blessing the stream and uh you know just keep up the great work brian and they use fault bra let's go

03:25:23.080 in the chat tell them tell them you want to see it in the chat chat let's see some deus volts in the

03:25:29.080 chat there we go hey good speaking with you chase my man thank you guys god bless you see you soon

03:25:35.240 good night man i want chase on here next time i'm in town so okay let me uh we we do have to get

03:25:41.880 through the uh super chats here so i know it's always i know i know i'll try to uh i'll try to uh

03:25:49.720 i wish i had more time okay so we have uh steven wagner thank you for the 50. why should a child

03:25:55.560 be blamed for the sins of the father out of 800k abortions 800 from grape uh the other 792k is

03:26:01.800 because they didn't want it uh someone who was almost aborted i'm glad i wasn't and now have 12

03:26:07.400 year old son me living made him hey steven wagner thank you for the 50 there that's changing the world

03:26:13.080 even fewer than uh we have uh zentians here have a safe way to have an abortion is just

03:26:18.680 a bull sheet way for modern women to justify their lack of accountability just like when

03:26:22.520 they use the one percent stat of grape most 305 oh my god uh don't want consequences so they can

03:26:28.520 sell their mental mental physical trauma to any simps zentians there with the hot hot take can i

03:26:35.160 ask what's a 304 uh area code i think it's an area is that an area code no it's it's like you know

03:26:44.360 the calculator like boobs and backwards upside down and backwards oh man i'm going to start using

03:26:48.840 that yeah i always there's one for pimp too but i forgot how it's spelled it's like three one six

03:26:54.200 or something i just don't spell it like the farm equipment i always thought it was joe but yeah

03:26:58.440 all right we have uh dragon stall and thank dragon dragons dragons talent excuse me thank you for the

03:27:05.880 50 hypocrisy check if these women want abortion then shouldn't men who didn't want the child

03:27:10.280 uh oh hold on thanks alvin appreciate it man 99 cents michael i would encourage you to be more

03:27:20.280 informed about the red pill community instead of talking down against them empiricism beats religion

03:27:26.600 when it comes to relationships just because you're religious in your marriage does not make you any more

03:27:32.520 righteous well quick response yeah it doesn't necessarily make me more righteous i could sin just as

03:27:38.120 badly as anybody and frequently do but uh when you say empiricism the the premise that you're espousing

03:27:44.200 is that the fundamental nature of reality is physical and scientific and you can look at

03:27:48.200 it with a microscope and that isn't true we know that isn't true because the fact that we're speaking

03:27:51.800 right now about ideas which are not physical shows you that and that that's why the physical world has

03:27:56.120 to rest on a metaphysical world and it's why you should do the right thing and not just be a modern

03:28:00.040 scientific live uh talon here men who didn't want the child but the woman had the child anyways also

03:28:04.840 not have to pay child support i will try to parse that later tonight uh i think it's a little bit of uh

03:28:16.280 all right uh the lomax sgd so i'm not sure what currency this is anybody michael any sgd what what

03:28:24.280 currency is that singaporean singaporean dollar if your pet keeps running out of the cage you'd build

03:28:35.720 a better cage or try to persuade said pet that it should stop trying it's the same if women would

03:28:42.840 stop spreading legs left and right men would learn to not chase coochie all the time can we really claim

03:28:49.400 that when we've already seen what happens with men don't get what they want yeah like we've already

03:28:53.960 seen what happens with that one so no that would go a long way i mean i'm not blaming women men

03:28:57.720 bear a lot of responsibility but women should stop providing that incentive too if a woman wants

03:29:01.880 to fuck as many men as she can in her life let her fuck as many men she wants her life and let

03:29:05.560 her go find another man who's okay with that just if she just didn't expect a modest man to want

03:29:11.080 her it's not that hard but if you want a modest woman get yourself a modest woman no the the

03:29:15.320 lomax though is saying he's trying to help women here right he's saying women if you don't want

03:29:18.360 his help but you're you're talking about this problem with men are very irresponsible and they

03:29:22.680 don't do what they're supposed to do and that that's all true but but one of the incentives for

03:29:26.680 men to act the way they should is for women to say no to them and the secret is that men love to be told

03:29:32.360 no and they like the sort of the chase of a woman they like pursuing a woman and then it makes it sort

03:29:37.400 of more satisfying when a man finally gets that thing that he desires and it it will increase a woman's

03:29:43.160 sense of self-worth sense of status the closeness of their relationship and so even just for self

03:29:48.040 interest sure but then i feel like your whole relationship is going to be based on just the

03:29:51.720 chase of it all just the chase instead of you just liking it it's just your it's like that's why

03:29:55.800 there's a lot of girls who i know who like oh yeah i don't sleep around blah blah so they'll have

03:30:00.200 multiple men who are stringing them on for four months at a time or whatever it is and then they

03:30:04.440 finally get it and now it's gone what if they wait what if they wait though until marriage until marriage

03:30:11.160 yeah so then they're going to get married do all the paperwork and then he's going to be pissed

03:30:14.440 when she leaves him and the divorce rate's not going to be but that's not that's not her problem

03:30:18.520 then she gets half his stuff right right but i don't think it's his problem so why would you guys

03:30:22.120 want that i don't i don't see why you guys think that's a win-win situation i still see that as a

03:30:25.880 win-lose it would be better for the men to get married anyway and if they can wait and and there there

03:30:30.600 there is some leverage and there is some modesty and there's some natural development of human

03:30:34.680 desire my boyfriend's gonna marry me not because he has to marry me to fuck me because he wants to marry me

03:30:39.880 you know have you ever waited before having sex do you think i'm just fucking everyone i mean no

03:30:45.720 i'm just saying how long have you ever waited i've been i've i've gone over a year plus with

03:30:51.000 not having sex i don't need sex i just think that is something that should be taking part before you

03:30:55.960 are getting married so you dated somebody for a year no no no i'm saying i've been celibate for

03:31:00.120 a year i'm asking how long have you dated somebody without having a sex with them since being sexually

03:31:05.480 active yeah probably like three months four months if we were like exclusive like you're talking about

03:31:10.600 since exclusivity yeah like we'd be exclusive for like four months would you say that the

03:31:16.200 feeling after of doing that after three or four months was better than say a one night stand

03:31:22.040 sure i've only ever had one one night stand it was kind of a different predicament so actually

03:31:25.880 no because that one night stand was special for a reason anyways um

03:31:30.680 um it's just yes but then i've also had that come where it's like yeah it's great right but then

03:31:36.360 it's also like when it's terrible right you wait the four months and it the sex is terrible i would

03:31:41.640 have been we would have ran into a lot of problems in our relationship if i would have ended up staying

03:31:46.040 with them until we got married and then we would have had sex and it would have been like that our

03:31:49.560 marriage would not work here uh just just to keep things moving along kiko can i have you read this

03:31:55.000 one from marquise martin kiko grow up and embrace adulthood in society we have polite discourse to

03:32:02.600 be so upset and unhinged because someone else has a differing opinion is so off-putting it's what makes

03:32:08.280 the world interesting the fact that you're so upset means your ideas are untenable untenable

03:32:16.520 do you have a response to marquise i think it's actually marquavius sorry sorry marquavius so you're

03:32:23.000 on here to watch i'm on here to speak and that's what this is about that's why you have to pay to

03:32:27.800 speak oh she got you there oh wow okay uh super rc thank you for the 50 as masculine men we should

03:32:35.000 be compassionate let them decide whether they want to have a baby or not it's not black and white

03:32:39.400 there's no proof of god or the right religion there's hundreds of religion uh can't use religion

03:32:45.640 as facts for law super ronnie i like this dude it's just so incoherent because people now

03:32:52.600 treat this stuff as though you're like talking about a magical sky daddy with a beard or whatever

03:32:56.280 that's what like the modern yeah that's that's right it's gonna wipe us all out it's like it's

03:33:03.160 like our argument it's like an ai machine that looks oh by the way you never answered it so the

03:33:08.440 actual baby thing would you agree if someone wants doesn't want to have the baby to put that well i

03:33:14.200 think he is a last resort as a last resort man but the but no the thing is the existence of god can be

03:33:19.080 known with certainty from the natural world by the light of human reason and you you actually

03:33:23.000 have to reason about all these things if you want to pass a law against parking tickets or taxes you

03:33:27.160 have to take into account moral thoughts so yeah the religion is essential to it as we all know

03:33:33.080 wrong i don't know what you want

03:33:37.720 that helps you sleep better at night bro oh no it's just when you're tucking yourself in you

03:33:42.520 go to sleep thinking that that's what that's how the life is working no it's just the it's the

03:33:47.560 inescapable fuck up your sleep no it's just the inescapable conclusion of my use of right

03:33:52.440 reason but by the things that i and it's like but you say that and you don't realize when you're

03:33:56.600 saying that how insane you sound like like to us like you know how back in the day when people

03:34:01.640 were like oh i'm sick i have a mental illness they're like oh the devil satan i feel like we're

03:34:05.400 gonna get to a point in society where it's like what you're saying right now it's like every like

03:34:08.840 they're gonna think you're crazy like you sound crazy like you sound crazy when you say that

03:34:13.480 shit like i hope i don't know if it's just me but you literally sound like looney tune bin like

03:34:17.320 you're ready to get locked up like straight kiko kiko you just told me that you just told me that if

03:34:23.560 a man has sex with another man while that other man is wearing a dress he's not engaged in a homosexual

03:34:29.800 action because the second man is secretly a woman but you're telling me that i but by using my right

03:34:35.480 reason to deduce from the world that because the world is say in motion there has to be an unmoved

03:34:40.520 mover or because the world is caused there has to be an uncaused cause or for any other number

03:34:46.120 of reasons we can conclude that god must exist in order for this contingent world to to be as

03:34:51.800 that seems a little crazy and they're right there folks is exactly what the i'm talking about

03:34:56.520 like that was like you barely even use any religious jargon but it's like right i used logic

03:35:00.920 like i use the language you're losing us like you're losing us i guess i'm just trying to be

03:35:09.080 honest what do you say to guys like some people come and said no girl is worth waiting three months

03:35:15.240 what do you say no girl's worth waiting three months who is this guy is this guy just like

03:35:19.480 picking up hookers every night and sort of like paying a cheap kind of no i would say

03:35:25.480 three months is a good minimum to start with maybe eric can you open the door a little bit

03:35:30.200 it's a little stuff it's all personal it's all personal preference all right we have

03:35:33.480 what what did you say or it's objectively true or false you know it's like either yeah i can't

03:35:39.240 i'm not hearing all the way obviously my fault objectively no no no oh true or false objective

03:35:44.360 not no it's just you find somebody who believes what you believe and go make babies and have love

03:35:49.080 with them like you did and we'll yeah happy for you but like me yeah we wouldn't you know we wouldn't

03:35:55.640 so i'm gonna meet somebody who i already have we share a lot of similar views we share some

03:35:59.240 differing views but we know how to respect each other's views because they're not so polarizing

03:36:04.600 that we are disrespecting each other that makes sense yeah but is there isn't there like

03:36:11.800 aren't there better and worse ways to live like can't yeah like you seem like you're living your

03:36:16.680 life in agony so worried about what i look like i'm in agony i'm the happiest guy i know but like

03:36:22.120 maybe okay maybe i don't storm off sets i don't even raise my voice don't say you don't raise your

03:36:27.480 voice i don't raise my voice but oh i project because i'm i project i project too i don't start

03:36:32.600 yelling i don't get really yeah i get that but maybe not you necessarily but i do know so many people

03:36:37.160 who like literally like they are straight men but are just sitting rocking at night at the thought of

03:36:43.480 trans women having sex with straight men like why are you guys so concerned like get the

03:36:49.960 fuck over it i'm so serious right now yeah because they're pushing it on everybody look away as somebody

03:36:57.000 you know what's crazy okay here's a point though you know that thing that's circular around with me

03:37:00.680 that has probably what like three million views now or six million views on twitter it is it's of me

03:37:06.120 i'm the one speaking in the video it has not once come up on any of my social media platforms i'm only

03:37:11.560 getting people sent to me and i'm in it it's because you guys are making that your life step

03:37:17.160 away from the internet go touch some grass you guys say it's only one percent of people go put

03:37:21.560 no surround yourself without that the reason is because in up until 2015 no one there was no such

03:37:27.320 thing as transgenderism as a matter of public life in 2015 barack obama decided to insert it into

03:37:32.280 military policy and then also in 2015 a bunch of liberals in north carolina passed an ordinance that

03:37:37.480 said that there are no women's bathrooms anymore because dudes can go into the women's bathroom

03:37:40.840 so it was the pro transgender i'm letting you know right now it's not trans woman who are it's

03:37:46.040 those weirdos who are those weirdos who are going into the bathrooms who are trying to like

03:37:50.440 who are trying to abuse that power they would have been going into those bathrooms regardless

03:37:54.040 where it was allowed for them where do the trans women go to the bathroom in the woman's bathroom

03:37:59.000 because they're a trans woman but you just said that that's the thing i'm saying i'm saying the trans

03:38:02.920 women who are actual trans women who are there's no such thing as an actual trans woman okay what i'm

03:38:08.200 trying to say is there's weirdos who are going to abuse the power who would have abused the power

03:38:11.880 without those laws in place anyways those no they would be kicked out is the difference they are

03:38:15.480 still going to be kicked out i mean now now there's a there's a civil right according to the bostock

03:38:19.400 do you think so you think you walked into if you think if you walked into the woman's bathroom in

03:38:22.920 that state right now and you just said oh i go by she hers they're gonna let you stay in there

03:38:26.360 be for real not like there's there's common sense still kiko if if they didn't i could sue under

03:38:31.560 civil rights and you wouldn't win you wouldn't win i'm guaranteeing you you would not win there's a

03:38:36.440 supreme court they don't have so much evidence against you there's so much evidence there's no

03:38:40.600 guys are so delusional to like these actual real world problems because you guys read two stats

03:38:44.920 online of people where you talk to one person who's a detransitioner or you hear one thing online

03:38:49.720 and you guys think it is the overall normal i'm just telling you what the law says the the thing about

03:38:53.080 i know the law says hold on the thing about gender identity is that it is it is a self-identity

03:38:58.280 so there's no test that someone has to take to prove that one is now a man or a woman it's all

03:39:02.920 just self-definition but you're still going to be in front of the court of law you're still going to

03:39:06.760 have to win the case no judge is going to no judge is going to have you win that case but i'm sorry

03:39:11.000 you're delusional according you're right according to pre that's why we still have the gay panic law in

03:39:15.400 some states if you think that's okay actually can i say something i witnessed this like the other week

03:39:20.760 we uh we were at a really nice restaurant like you know where you had to dress up to go there

03:39:26.680 and then there was a trans person and they walked in and like fishnets and just the bra exposing

03:39:31.640 everything and it was very vocal about it and then uh you know some people next to the table asked like

03:39:38.600 why the person was allowed in the restaurant they said we can't kick them out exactly so it does happen

03:39:44.360 that's that then they don't have a dress code that should be a dress code

03:39:46.840 no matter your gender no matter your gender you have to follow a dress code they're able to kick

03:39:53.240 her out just like my friend yeah my friend just got out at vegas because she was it's a it's a you

03:39:57.720 know uh masculine female woman she's a masculine female wearing uh men's like you know attire and

03:40:04.200 they did not let her in because she didn't fit the woman's dress code and she left and she just left

03:40:10.840 it's like but yeah i'm saying i'm not saying it can't happen but that's the thing of dress code

03:40:13.880 that's nothing to do with gender yeah yeah even a woman wouldn't get away with wearing that i know

03:40:18.040 but so they need to update their rules no no women especially women would not get away with wearing

03:40:22.840 that but the thing about this weird transgender moment is that transgender identifying people

03:40:27.480 can get away with whatever the hell they want i'm saying if they had a dress code in place they would

03:40:31.320 not be allowed if they had a dress code saying no fishnets or exposing things no matter if they

03:40:36.120 thought they were a fucking unicorn they wouldn't be allowed to sit in there yeah literally

03:40:39.160 they can't there was a there's a nervous to say anything or kick them out that's a problem on

03:40:44.280 them that's a problem i'm getting nervous about it why do you have to be so nervous because then

03:40:47.880 they'll end up on the news there was a Supreme Court case about this though about dress codes for

03:40:51.240 transgender identifying people specifically in a funeral home and the transgender person prevailed

03:40:56.200 in that because we're in this weird moment it was actually parodied in family guy which is that

03:41:01.080 there's this guy at the end of the bar who's a transvestite and he's looking at porn and the

03:41:04.760 guy and the bartender comes down he says hey you you can't look at porn at this bar and he says hey no i'm a trans

03:41:09.000 i'm a transgender they said okay then do whatever the hell you want and that's actually how our our

03:41:12.920 Supreme Court law works and it's and it's how it operates in the country it's it's ridiculous

03:41:17.800 so a transgender can murder someone we'll be like hey you're transgender do whatever the

03:41:21.400 fuck you want there are an odd number of serial killers who have been transgender including the

03:41:25.880 most famous ones let's wrap it up right let's wrap it up it's just a historical fact all right we

03:41:30.120 gotta get through the super chats let's let's let's try to get through these quick all right drive

03:41:35.240 thank you for the canadian 50 if man fails to make a child support payment he can face imprisonment

03:41:40.120 by the government takes takes control of his body even if the woman lied about taking birth control

03:41:45.320 stole the condom or paternity fraud should the woman not be held to some standard as well she should

03:41:53.640 okay i think that's wrong too they can prove that she purposely made him impregnate or whatever i think

03:41:59.000 that she should be charged for that also okay i'm trying to i'm gonna try to get through these as

03:42:03.160 quick as possible sorry guys we just got an overwhelming amount of super chats and the

03:42:07.000 conversation was just flowing so uh we we will try to get through all of them ass o lean thank you the

03:42:12.280 50. novel concept don't have sex before you're willing to deal with the potential consequence of

03:42:18.200 having a baby ass o lean thank you for the profound uh super chat there yo steven thank you man michael is

03:42:27.080 leaving kiko speechless controlling words controlling minds all right nice all right there we go it's

03:42:37.160 a great book you can get it now on amazon if you wanted to yeah it's called speechless right it's

03:42:41.800 controlling words controlling my subtitle it's number one national bestseller if you want to go grab it

03:42:45.560 uh i'm pretty sure this this one came through as uh tts yeah all right we had uh james more thank

03:42:50.360 you for the 150 man so good so good seeing michael knowles on the show any chance of getting matt walsh

03:42:56.280 on the show in the future uh everyone should see the documentary what is a woman also everyone should

03:43:02.840 watch red pill by casey j thanks for what you do brian hey james more thank you for that big 150

03:43:09.720 dollar soup chat uh really appreciate it man uh i'm i'd be down to have uh matt walsh on i think we're

03:43:15.240 gonna try to get brett cooper uh might she might come on yeah brett's awesome and uh i can text walsh

03:43:21.880 now say walsh you got a constant pick yeah yeah um i'd love to have matt walsh on ben shapiro oh there

03:43:30.200 we go boom all right hey uh james thank you so much man yo mark mark quavius thank you for the 50 i'm

03:43:39.480 pro-life but kiko is making a strong argument for the other side oh my god more existence based

03:43:47.000 than argument kiko do you have a response to m martin shooting shots sorry mark quavius i mean yeah

03:43:56.200 do you have a response kiko just anything more existence based than he's he's saying what does

03:44:03.080 that mean i don't know what that means yeah i don't know he's he's saying he's pro-life but

03:44:06.920 i'm bonus is he after after talking to you he's oh after you being on this podcast he's

03:44:13.080 now pro-choice because he thinks because not because of your arguments he's being sarcastic

03:44:17.960 yeah obviously yeah okay he's he's he's he's roasting all right i think i can't remember names

03:44:24.120 yo zentians thank you for the uh for this one that came through as a tts alvin thank you for that

03:44:28.360 that came through as a tts appreciate you guys uh oh it's jacob hey what's up jacob oh good yeah jacob

03:44:34.440 the uh yeah uh yo thank you for the 20 uh the whole chat is waiting for the oh yeah michael let's

03:44:41.240 get this party started i pay him way too much if you can just throw 20 out to make that comment

03:44:45.320 that's outrageous wow okay seriously uh speedy the unsilent thank you for the hundred man really

03:44:52.120 appreciate it let me ask the women a few questions we can only do one uh do you think you can do no

03:44:56.280 wrong do you actually agree with the stuff you spat from your mouth and uh are you just saying what

03:45:00.280 every instagram post tells you to say also michael is right about everything uh that's a insightful

03:45:05.880 guy man uh show of hands do you think you can do no wrong i think tatum besides besides the hyphenated

03:45:15.160 name stuff you you're doing pretty well okay uh oh geez now they're gonna call me a simp okay yeah um

03:45:21.080 rip r.i.p uh she's my wife come on i gotta i gotta come to her defense or fiance rather uh dan thank you for

03:45:28.680 the 50. oh are you guys here speak russian while you're at it let's hear it go secret language speak

03:45:36.360 it i was asking what simp means yeah oh okay whatever uh i said i suggested not debate michael

03:45:42.360 it would turn into facts don't care about your feelings sorry ladies you are all great looking

03:45:47.560 though that's very sweet but i'm very into feelings i'm very pro feelings yeah yeah i'm very

03:45:54.040 emotional i'm very you all said i'm very sensitive you know yo michael lindley thank you for the 50

03:46:00.360 man appreciate it dinosaur d thank you man behold i send you out as sheep among wolves little did i

03:46:06.760 know is actually michael that is the wolf there is blood and hurt snowflake egos wait he just said

03:46:12.200 he's the feeling one though i'm deeply feeling sweet and sensitive man so are you the snowflake or are we

03:46:18.280 i i i don't know i think michael's a beautiful stuff yeah none of you resemble any any wolves

03:46:25.240 all right we have uh belief whole podcast thank you to michael great points and all love and respect

03:46:29.960 to the panel but michael what are your thoughts about capital punishment when weighing the possibility

03:46:34.200 of citizens being executed by the state who are later found to be innocent is it morally worth the

03:46:39.320 risk uh quick answer on this yeah i think so i mean you know you want to be careful about it you

03:46:43.560 don't want to be reckless and just chopping everybody's head off but it's it's important for deterrence

03:46:48.120 and for uh and obviously for retribution and also for rehabilitation because hanging concentrates

03:46:55.000 the mind so you got to take these risks but you want to minimize that risk why can't they just

03:47:00.280 wait air quiet the whole life isn't it more like more of a punishment and then just being

03:47:06.280 having a miserable yeah it's definitely a more significant punishment but some some

03:47:09.320 crimes call for significant punishments like for instance like those serial killers like ed

03:47:13.240 yeah they should just put them like in the bottom to rot away yeah and like you know water dripping

03:47:19.480 on them yeah you don't want to torture them you know you know because that's illegal that's cruel

03:47:24.360 killing isn't illegal but torturing is bad yeah you know what you don't want to just like torture

03:47:28.840 them you just want to you just want justice you just want to end it sometimes a head on a pike is

03:47:33.640 you know just justice that's saying you torture them first all right cw hey thank you for the 200 that

03:47:38.520 came through as a tts thank you man philip this also came through thank you guys so much for all

03:47:42.440 the support tonight uh we have uh aaron martinez easy aaron martin easy okay 50 thank you man what

03:47:51.800 do you think about using social programs such as medicare for all in a robust social safety

03:47:56.200 to reduce abortions uh the girls are seething okay reducing the financial incentive incentives to

03:48:01.560 abort also i'd ask for an asteroid but would rather have a tally i don't know if i have a tally but

03:48:05.560 i'll give you the asteroid uh here actually i'll give you a different asteroid how about that boom

03:48:09.640 thank you man appreciate it um really quick on on medicare yeah the short version he's asking well

03:48:15.320 if you have sort of socialist health care policies uh then won't you have fewer abortions and that's

03:48:20.120 not true you actually end up with an incentive for more abortions that's what you saw in communist

03:48:24.760 china and and just for more killing the citizens generally that's what you're seeing in canada right

03:48:28.600 now because they can't afford to take care of old people so they just kill them all right we have joseph

03:48:32.920 macias thank you for the 50 man what's the girl in blue's instagram

03:48:35.720 uh i just love her common sense that she spoke earlier what's your instagram i'm assuming it's

03:48:43.160 linked right isn't it paradise edge of paradise by the way she's verified so she's legit

03:48:48.600 all right the wolf so engaged by the way right is there all these simps in the chat just trying to

03:48:54.120 get with the base girl in blue sorry sorry guys she's taken all right the wolf 50 catholicism is

03:48:59.320 christianity you genius i was gonna let that slide but that's correct yeah thank you alvin

03:49:05.960 um marquavius martin thank you for the 50 iq challenge kiko you're like two millimeters away

03:49:12.840 what does that mean uh tell us how peripheral peripheral vision is overrated hello because you

03:49:19.400 could just like turn your head and like see from the side so like why do we need a peripheral vision

03:49:25.160 like just turn your head okay right martin how about you spend another 300 tonight can you refer

03:49:31.080 to him as marquavius please marquavius how about you spend the rest of your paycheck from burger king

03:49:35.720 tonight on here well speaking of speaking of martin um uh marquavius uh sam actually sam can you read

03:49:45.800 this oh here we go oh sam with these crazy opinions you're dangerously close to losing your seat on the

03:49:51.320 g600 i've told you i've told them to stop fooling the jet did by the way did he slide into your dms

03:49:58.360 after last show he offered the jet ride i right i don't remember i don't remember i don't i don't i

03:50:04.280 get so many on the last show he he i don't know i'll remember if he went into my dms there's too

03:50:11.160 many dms how many dms did you guys get i don't know like a lot like well for usual like how many

03:50:16.840 like 50 what about you fiona like 20 tatum you got a lot for sure tatum no i'm only 12 oh oh that's

03:50:26.360 so specific like no it's not 12 it was a baker's dozen 13 yes okay yo candle brown

03:50:34.200 thank you for the 50. kiko you were made in god's image and the fact that you were able to reason

03:50:38.040 and have an innate sense of morality shows god's signature on you as his creation uh i hope that

03:50:43.960 god continues to pour out love and mercy on your day you say god i say big bang i mean come on you

03:50:49.080 know the big bang was discovered by a catholic priest named father george i don't give a

03:50:53.240 fuck who the guy who discovered the big bang definitely believe in god i don't care i've just

03:50:58.440 you just said you believed in it so i'm telling you what the guy who discovered it i don't even

03:51:01.160 i don't even know what the really big bang is i just know i don't believe in a god that's all

03:51:04.680 you're right you believe in the big bang and the guy who discovered it i believe in the opposite of

03:51:08.600 god if that's what it is what came before the big bang you believe in satan yeah or just absent

03:51:13.080 the absence of the absence of anything there we go i believe someone's probably correct that there's

03:51:17.640 a power power out there but i don't know who's correct confirm or deny i've seen i've seen so

03:51:21.480 many people are clearly wrong in a lot of parts so i mean i don't know i'm here to tell you i

03:51:26.120 rather work out than go to church or something like i'd rather do something more productive

03:51:30.600 well you just said i don't know who's correct and i i'm i'm gonna tell you with 100 certainty

03:51:34.760 i am completely correct so you know what's crazy i'm not even trying to disrespect you i'm not

03:51:39.240 correct about not even trying to disrespect you but like usually what i say is like yeah i don't

03:51:43.000 know what i believe in but i just know that the catholics have it wrong that's usually what i

03:51:46.440 will say what did you ever wonder like why you're so drawn after 11 years of catholic school

03:51:51.640 i saw a lot more negatives than i saw positive just seems to me sometimes like teenagers say

03:51:57.160 this they're like hey man you know the opposite of love isn't hate it's indifference and so right

03:52:02.120 now you hate the church i don't hate the church i just wouldn't want to be part of it the thing i

03:52:06.360 know is totally wrong and i have all these bad experiences and it's i didn't say i never said the

03:52:10.360 word hate though i just said i don't describe things that that conduce toward hatred i don't hate

03:52:14.920 everyone that's wrong i just think they're wrong but you said it's abusive you said the church is

03:52:18.200 abusive and people have all these bad i don't even think i used the word abusive i just said i didn't like

03:52:21.400 it i said they were wrong by the catholic church i said there's pedophiles in the catholic church

03:52:24.440 and that people you know were abused by it i don't think she said i'm very careful with my

03:52:30.680 terms and my words that i use we can check the tape but in any case i just wonder if the fact

03:52:34.840 that you're not indifferent but you actually have this seeming antipathy for the church maybe points

03:52:40.280 to this truth that the opposite of love is not always hate kiko confirm or deny are you the antichrist

03:52:46.600 confirm or deny i don't think i'm allowed to give out that information oh okay um by the way michael

03:52:55.880 so you said that you know that you're right yes about this question that's your you know as a

03:53:01.160 throwback to your conversation with bronte that that also happens to be your identity that is my

03:53:06.520 self-identity and i would i would ask that everybody respects it but i think you all do

03:53:11.000 what's your identity that i am correct about this question in particular nice i don't respect it

03:53:16.200 i don't you don't respect my but can you affirm his identity as being correct on

03:53:20.840 everything we spoke about i know he's a catholic yeah he's a catholic if i told you right now i'm

03:53:25.800 a woman you would affirm that identity no when you wouldn't you know why would i affirm unless you

03:53:30.440 don't believe in transgender i do believe in it but you haven't

03:53:32.760 everything are you telling me transgender women need to prove to you that they are the sex and

03:53:40.360 gender that they know in their heart that they are they don't have to prove it to me but i don't

03:53:44.680 have to like believe it oh so you don't believe in transgenderism okay what's wrong with the fact

03:53:50.280 she doesn't believe something you say no no that's like i think it's exactly exactly how i just said

03:53:55.000 i don't believe that people who think they're a cat or a cyclops or whatever you said a unicorn

03:53:59.560 as a person either i feel like there's judgment calls that always need to make now do i think i

03:54:03.960 have the right because i don't think that you're a woman that i need to tell you to stop being a

03:54:08.840 woman no i don't give a what you choose to do from that that's my whole point though is even if i

03:54:13.080 don't believe it or i don't agree with it i can go i have the yeah i have no that's not what i said

03:54:18.040 either well you just said you don't you don't give a darn that's why there's certain things that's

03:54:21.960 why i even said earlier even with these gender neutral bathrooms you're not going to get away with

03:54:27.400 walking into a woman's bathroom like that just how i'm probably not i mean i might get away with

03:54:30.840 it because they might want me there but okay um so we just have a few more we have a few in stream

03:54:36.280 labs and then we have this last one here on youtube the base capitalist thank you the 50 i love you

03:54:40.120 michael and brian kiko's lost cause 96 biologists believe that personhood starts at the moment of

03:54:45.640 conception so it's not just religion ladies science agrees with us i'm just gonna have to get through

03:54:49.720 these just um purified hip-hop podcast thank you for 50 michael knoll's f's on the rails is that a

03:54:57.480 good thing like you're off the rails or is it like f's on the rails like i know but he has an

03:55:03.480 apostrophe there i feel like that was intentional and it's not off the rails it's on the rails yo eric

03:55:08.120 can you pull up the stream lab stab and i'll just pound these out in five minutes 1107

03:55:13.320 all right oh man oh jesus oh god wow my man all right do you have to go i have nothing to do

03:55:24.920 today i'll be here all night get me a fat stogie we got 15 15 minutes ben no you need to up the

03:55:32.840 prices i have all night i got all the time in the world yeah i got all the time are you okay to keep

03:55:38.120 going for a little bit nothing to do until my flight yeah okay okay cool let's go i have to go

03:55:44.200 eat i know if we had food here i would go for two more hours we've been here five hours

03:55:52.200 let's just get through these why not why not okay so um let's start from the top and then we'll work

03:55:58.920 our way down all right so we have eric oh this is different than mine we need to figure out a better

03:56:06.200 way to do this hold on okay so are you sure this is from the top eric i have something from send the

03:56:12.040 meteor well i'll just do the ones that are on screen then eric hanson think oh you need to uh can you hit

03:56:17.960 the refresh on the screen that's what's wrong hit uh f5 on this good times yo send the meteor uh how

03:56:30.040 would kiko like to be judged for not wanting wait is this the same oh yeah okay how would kiko like to be

03:56:34.760 judged for not wanting to sleep with a manly looking lesbian second how sad is it that these

03:56:39.720 girls don't realize that they're in the path of misery bring them back and 10 i should have put

03:56:43.480 the minimum 100 i should put the minimum at 100 but uh they will regret it when their dms are empty

03:56:50.600 okay my dms are way less than i'll never be yeah they've never been don't worry about me but he's

03:56:55.320 saying someday it might be empty i don't think that he's gonna come no personally i don't is what i'm

03:56:59.720 saying all right maybe not for you uh down if anybody's not yeah scroll scroll down eric i'm

03:57:05.240 gonna do the down mingo one all right we have again that was me women were happier before entering the

03:57:09.880 workforce equality made them work corporations hate you they want you earning them money not on

03:57:14.840 maternity or raising kids with sense case in point this panel think about these topics uh less than a

03:57:20.280 minute okay thank you man thomas the poet uh ladies men and women view sex differently men give love to

03:57:25.480 get sex and women give sex to get love also about love please remember we accept the love we think

03:57:35.080 we deserve finally love you sam love you sam and tatum that was profound it's from perks of being a

03:57:42.120 wallflower oh wait can you guys uh is that that's from a show no that was mine we didn't see it

03:57:48.520 like the most recycled yeah from like a young adult eric can you pull that back up for me please

03:57:57.640 all right we have a crispy tofu here uh oh jesus christ okay uh when i was graped i couldn't go near

03:58:03.640 the city where it happened from when it happened three years after it happened i couldn't be near

03:58:07.800 any army tent uniform i was scared to see my grapist okay definitely couldn't have had the baby if i got

03:58:14.680 pregnant scroll down a little bit um eric just we'll move that one off screen just because it's

03:58:18.120 probably tos uh unashamed truth thanks for the 50. atheism is religion to believe there's no god

03:58:23.480 takes faith why should the baby be murdered for the sins of the father please explain why we should

03:58:28.280 kill the poor kids if the parents are drug addicts or not financially stable let them have it michael uh

03:58:33.640 really quick michael if you want to no you just you just let it rip man that was totally true okay eric can

03:58:38.280 you pull that back up totally agree all right we have uh timbo slice hey thank you man appreciate

03:58:43.720 it my buddy miggy and i are obsessed with the pod brine thank you man we discuss it every day with

03:58:49.080 michael's confidence if he was running through 30 foes he would be unstoppable could take over the

03:58:55.080 world two of my favorite content creators in one spot michael should we reveal we we've poached

03:59:02.360 michael from the daily wire it's so michael's my my new co-host yeah um just kidding just kidding

03:59:09.320 shapiro just made fun of me one too many times and now i'm now yes yes yes um and is that is that libel

03:59:20.200 let's not become an expert in it am i gonna get a cease and desist from the daily okay um uh pull it

03:59:25.240 back up eric go ahead thank you timbo though uh michael trolls thank you for the 50 you can be socially

03:59:30.120 conservative and fiscally liberal just like you can be street smart and bad at math okay thank you

03:59:37.000 man eric hansen with the uh 50 met my wife at 21 dated nine days before six month engagement we're both

03:59:43.000 virgins married for 15 years now with four kids and one on the way congrats man it can be done if you get

03:59:48.280 your life and mindset in the right place congratulations there you say it can't be done kiko you're laughing

03:59:54.920 it happened i i never anything can be done there's a lot of things that can be done oh the driver

03:59:59.960 never just get an uber oh we got to cancel whoa whoa you get an uber that's a wrap

04:00:07.000 it's still good good to go okay okay it should only be a few more minutes here okay i don't have

04:00:11.880 it um please stop saying that okay we have uh derek man next thank you for the 50. welcome to madness

04:00:18.040 michael love your content hold on victoria hold on welcome to madness michael love your content what

04:00:22.360 qualities did you value most when dating early in life as well ask these girls to name three countries

04:00:27.880 okay we can do that really quick go kiko three countries go wait what am i doing name three

04:00:32.760 countries go name three countries go united states south yeah japan jana and russia i can name like 200

04:00:39.320 countries yeah what is the point of that canada like canada america mexico what do you want to do

04:00:45.160 then we can go costa rica we can go name three countries where where do you want it brazil

04:00:51.480 i can probably lift it hold on asia i just said japan russia and china well done okay pull it back

04:00:58.520 up eric oh my god yo davon jackson thank you for the hundred not to get too political but for michael

04:01:02.920 and brian would you rather date the oldest woman in the world or the best looking trans woman in the

04:01:07.000 world didn't we did we already do this one start yeah he's trying to get us um on back he's trying to

04:01:11.480 get me and michael to report too yeah i'm gonna storm out what do you mean it would be the

04:01:15.800 trans woman do i have to that's good do i have to did you tell him to suck a thing did you tell

04:01:23.480 that michael you're projecting right now seriously that's not fucking cool okay you didn't even hear

04:01:30.440 how i would answer that disavow i didn't need to all right uh go ahead pull it back up yo veteran

04:01:37.480 contractor thank you man 42 year old man ho body count over 150 non-flated i married a woman with a bc

04:01:44.040 of one um ben had a crack into one of the one of the uh seltzers a drink up friend drink up um

04:01:55.560 42 year old retired man ho body count over 150 high value man wants a woman who has been ran through

04:02:00.520 oh no high value man wants a woman who's been ran through make wise decisions now or suffer later

04:02:05.560 your hookups do corrupt your brain facts thank you veteran contractor uh i believe he does

04:02:13.960 drywall okay and you guys would both know because you guys both had hope it would corrupt your brain

04:02:19.720 yeah did i say all sin advice corrupts your brain the longer you do it the more you listen i as a man

04:02:26.600 of god yeah as a man of god okay since when yeah it's michael has he's convinced me to marry yeah he's

04:02:35.720 he's brought me over okay look at deus of volt um we'll see in 10 years okay so um can you bring it yeah

04:02:42.760 yeah oh do we have some coming through god all right speed run uh eric can you pull up the i'll

04:02:48.920 get those later can you pull back up the uh uh okay we had uh where is it wait okay johan thank you

04:02:56.120 oh no johan johan thank you for the 20 mr casey thank you for the 50 yo brian gonna put you on the

04:03:00.760 spot haha but you have to pick which girl at the table is your hookup preference hey who do you think

04:03:07.240 he's not a wife yeah excuse me uh how dare you which which girl at the table is my hookup preference

04:03:16.920 hopefully his wife honestly tatum honestly tatum i'm you you asked you're putting me on the spot

04:03:22.840 why do you think he gave me the ring in the first place do you know how much he's always like tatum

04:03:26.680 tatum tatum tatum wait is that what i'm doing that's me i've been noticing it all night yeah in

04:03:34.520 the last chat notices i know in the last podcast i was reading i was like brian's a simp for tatum

04:03:41.880 do you think you'll become a munch for tatum

04:03:43.480 what are you doing after the show oh no disavow disavow uh but uh

04:03:59.880 in any case um okay we have um what's it called but no i would not is the chat shipping me and tatum

04:04:07.400 you're letting it you're letting it happen i'm starving actually thank you edward yeah we i don't

04:04:16.840 which one uh wait he doesn't beat us here yo davon jackson i need to start getting pizza for

04:04:26.600 everyone before the shows um okay davon jackson thank you for the 50 this type of chick is

04:04:31.240 is exactly why brian doesn't pay for women on first dates lmao yeah what what type of chick

04:04:38.920 really he doesn't pay on first dates i'm sorry to disappoint you once again michael can you explain

04:04:44.840 to him that he has such a walking contradiction yeah he's never gonna find the woman no yeah

04:04:50.840 honest modest woman who's gonna pay the bills and rub his feet and go to work and then go down

04:04:58.040 him and you've got a and you've got a great fiancee over here and you should pay for the meal

04:05:04.520 that's basic stuff tatum are you seeing anybody right now no so under those circumstances i would

04:05:10.360 pay and also she's in college but the the issue is i guess my issue with paying um and i'll be brief

04:05:17.080 on this well yeah my issue with paying is it's it's me adhering to my traditional or men's

04:05:22.920 traditional gender roles but hold on victoria the what's happening in the dating landscape and

04:05:29.480 i've already mentioned this is that when you first go on a date with someone you have to assume that

04:05:34.840 they're dating other people more likely than not they're sleeping with other people so to me it's

04:05:39.720 just i don't want to pay for a girl on a date and then she's she hooked up with a guy last night

04:05:46.760 she had sex with another guy last night she's got three other dates lined up i don't want to adhere

04:05:52.760 to my traditional general circumstances goes back to once again who hurt you like i don't like this

04:05:58.360 is this is she's sleeping with another guy why would you go on a date also if you if you show this girl

04:06:05.160 like this nice attention you pay for a meal maybe she'll actually see that you're a good guy and want

04:06:09.880 to be with don't you want to be the change that you want to see in the world no because here's why

04:06:15.960 sam here's why here's why sam is if i know if i go on a date with a girl or even before i find out

04:06:23.400 that she's dating another guy she's hooking up with another guy i don't want that's not a girl i even

04:06:29.160 want to pursue to begin with so there won't even be a first date so i just don't even want to entertain

04:06:33.880 that option come properly single come properly single that's my stance how hard is it before the

04:06:40.920 date is initiated right like say you meet them in person or dating up whatever obviously you're in

04:06:45.240 talk you're going to exchange some words before this date happens how hard is it to send the message

04:06:50.360 are you talking to anybody else are you anybody else i do so and do they say yes well the why are you

04:06:57.400 pursuing women who are doing things that you don't want them to do well so i do ask that question

04:07:03.320 if i find out that they are i'm like well hey i'm more we want different things so but also you also

04:07:09.960 in the dating landscape people lie so so you're so like how he was going on with her you're just

04:07:16.280 assuming everyone's a liar i had just a quick one so the reason you don't want these girls who are

04:07:22.360 like seeing other men why it's because they're like with other men right they're yeah it's gross

04:07:27.160 yeah so would you date someone who does porn or only fans uh no no i would not the the i i do make

04:07:39.000 one exception and is your two last excuse me excuse me well no i've i've actually never even gone on a

04:07:45.640 date with a girl who does only fans but could i ideally certainly i apologize michael close my ears

04:07:57.720 yeah would i date a girl who who does solo content on only fans i haram that's her i i i would however

04:08:06.600 it's not ideal i would you have no but no i've never dated a girl who does only fans you maybe

04:08:13.640 don't know but are you saying i'm saying i'm potentially open i'm open to it i've never done

04:08:19.080 it are you saying you would date a girl who did only fans but then realize that's a bad thing to

04:08:23.400 do and it doesn't do it anymore are you saying you would date a girl who actively is doing only

04:08:28.120 fans yes i would i would wow because that's a big distinction but you wouldn't pay for it so like

04:08:35.000 we once said well she has to do solo she has to do solo content if she ever did any bg no if she

04:08:42.120 does be boy girl so i'm i'm saying like could she do girl girl so you're fine with her popping her

04:08:49.720 yeah i inferred let me get that there gg could she do gg but she could pop her plastic dildo just

04:08:57.960 not with a real one i suppose so however we all have our standards i'm saying i'm saying i would

04:09:04.600 i'm saying i would but it's not okay so just to be clear i've never dated a girl who's done only fans

04:09:11.320 it's but it's not a total deal breaker however if putting two girls together one that doesn't have

04:09:18.360 only fans and one that does i'm gonna go with a girl that doesn't have only fans however

04:09:26.520 you know what do you do tatum we can make a lot of money together

04:09:33.880 what if you go on a date with a girl right and she doesn't have anyone she's not hooking up with

04:09:39.640 anyone but you assume she's lying and then you don't pay for her date and then she thinks you're

04:09:43.480 an asshole and doesn't go on the second date but she's like the girl that you will always want

04:09:48.040 it but you just hold on can you repeat repeat it just so what if you go on a date with a girl

04:09:55.640 and the girl doesn't have any one that she's seeing and she's not hooking up with anyone but

04:10:02.040 you assume she's lying and then you don't pay for her date and then she assumes that you're just you

04:10:07.320 know an asshole a jerk and doesn't go on a second date with you but you just missed out on a girl that

04:10:12.920 you would have wanted and she doesn't have only fans no okay you screwed up basically is what she's

04:10:20.600 saying but i look here's the thing one if she's not dating other people i'm gonna kind of try to suss

04:10:30.520 that out also you know it comes it also comes down to like earnings differentials and earnings so

04:10:37.640 if she's a litigation attorney i'm sorry you're making 200k a year i'm i don't feel obliged in

04:10:45.000 those circumstances you want to be the gender roles that you argue for yeah well is she a traditional

04:10:50.520 woman and i think women have to go first on that she might be women have to go first women why why do

04:10:56.440 women have to go first when you're the one who's supposed to ask us well bingo baby yeah you're

04:11:00.520 the one who's supposed to like you're supposed to get out of your knee you're supposed to me you're

04:11:04.200 supposed to prove yourself to me that's the whole thing but this is like the household but i don't

04:11:08.520 and throughout history the man's always been the leader okay but sure however you you guys want to

04:11:16.440 treat feminism and equality like a buffet you want to pick and choose that which hold on yeah you're

04:11:22.280 certainly not you want to pick and choose the things that benefit you and then you want to

04:11:27.080 disregard perhaps the equality which does not come at a benefit to you because i believe well okay you

04:11:34.760 want oh well i believe in gender equality but i like it when guys pay and i like it when they lead

04:11:40.280 and i like when they initiate and i like them when they adhere to their traditional gender roles however

04:11:44.840 i want to be promiscuous i want to sleep around are you a virgin no i'm saying the girl wouldn't

04:11:48.920 no right okay so if you're a virgin then yeah it's rightful for you to expect someone else to

04:11:53.720 be a virgin on your date if you're not a virgin why can you expect to have a virgin what brian is saying

04:11:57.640 is that yeah you're advancing the feminist idea that men and women are exactly the same they have

04:12:01.880 to have the same expectations but what brian is saying is here no no i'm not a feminist men and women

04:12:06.840 have different expectations there are different thresholds for their different kinds of behaviors and

04:12:11.640 as a result of that there are also different privileges that women get so men are going to open the

04:12:16.040 door they're going to pay for the tab they're going to take more responsibility for certain

04:12:19.240 problems they're going to i don't know kill the spider or whatever and but also women are going

04:12:23.480 to have certain expectations that men either do not have or will be treated with less culpability

04:12:30.120 yeah but what i'm saying is as times have changed yes i get what he's saying with the feminism like we

04:12:34.120 want to take to take but things have also changed for men like the the traditional thing for a man has

04:12:38.520 also changed which comes back to why i say on this podcast all the time is why people just need to date

04:12:42.920 people in their realm you know if i'm i find myself not fully non-traditional but like semi-traditional

04:12:49.160 so my boyfriend also is pretty semi-traditional should i go date someone who's very traditional

04:12:53.800 or not traditional at all probably not and vice versa just find somebody who you know there's someone's

04:12:59.720 other half out there for them just let them find it but but i feel like there's cat there is still

04:13:04.360 categories in it though like overall like you know it's not like how he said everything's not black and

04:13:09.160 white like a lot of things are black and white but a lot of people do fall in the middle of those

04:13:12.440 things and find somebody else let's say you're some like modern person and you're not traditional at

04:13:17.320 all and so you find this guy who's super modern and everything and you're off doing only fans and he's

04:13:25.640 off he's got like two boyfriends and you know you're both like living in a polycule and somewhere

04:13:30.840 even though you found your same level or category or match whatever that's still not a great way to

04:13:39.160 live like wouldn't it be better to live to you they're happy though they're probably not you i bet

04:13:44.680 you they're thrilled i bet you they're thrilled i bet you they're living their best that's why but

04:13:48.360 like religion polygamy has always been a thing like polygamy is always one three boyfriends too

04:13:57.160 all that stuff so it's like that's it's something we've already seen throughout history go ahead sam

04:14:00.840 no i was just saying i agree with kiko and that they're living their best life for them and maybe

04:14:05.480 for you that's not what you want because you don't want three boyfriends but for someone else they do

04:14:09.400 what if they're not living their best life though what if their life is not how is that you to decide

04:14:13.560 how is that you know i'm just asking if they are or they're not and if they're that's what they're

04:14:17.000 choosing to do so right but can people make choices that are bad for them yeah but if they don't feel

04:14:22.840 like that's bad for them they're happy then why do we i'm saying if people make choices that are bad for

04:14:27.480 them that will probably make them why do we know what's good and bad like the thing well it's it's

04:14:32.120 sort of is self-referential at a certain point if they're making these bad choices those bad choices

04:14:36.920 by definition are going to make them less happy than if they made good choices and people obviously

04:14:41.000 do make bad choices all the time so if people are making lots of bad choices don't you think that

04:14:45.720 instead of just saying hey just find other people who want to make bad choices you might say hey how

04:14:49.640 about you find out why do you why do your opinion yeah that is such your opinion no i'm i haven't

04:14:55.240 offered anything i haven't offered how is that bad to have three boyfriends and to have

04:14:59.960 oh i thought we agreed that some things are objectively good and some things are objective

04:15:03.320 well i thought we agreed i'll take it out the door there's no bad and good and we all live on this

04:15:08.200 little loopy spectrum there's no bad so it's so it's so it's not it's not better to bake a pie for the

04:15:16.840 lady down the street than to kick the baby no it's because i'm doing work either way

04:15:21.960 don't tempt her with a good time

04:15:22.840 i'm gonna can i'm so sorry i have to go um adhering to my gender role my fiancee drove me

04:15:33.320 base oh sure sure sure totally totally uh if you if you want while we write you're free to if you

04:15:38.680 want to just excuse yourself that's totally fine but thank you so much for coming guys check out her

04:15:42.680 band edge of what is it again edge of paradise check out her band okay well great answers

04:15:49.800 rap to almost every here pretty soon uh let me get through these last few and

04:15:57.080 just the last thing on just to answer your thing about the paying thing i guess it's just i don't

04:16:04.280 if if more people moved in a more traditional way i would have no issue adhering to traditional

04:16:09.880 gender roles and paying but i don't want to be the sucker because i've heard a lot of stories and

04:16:14.680 for example this is the example i often give i don't want to go on a date with a girl

04:16:20.120 pay you go for a dinner date i don't want to pay for her food and then she gets a doggy bag to go she

04:16:25.800 gives me a ass out hug at the end of the date she takes that doggy bag to the guy who she's sleeping

04:16:32.200 with who by the way never had to pay for anything because he's just really attractive and he's a chad

04:16:37.160 and just whatever gives gives him the food in which i paid for the leftovers he eats the food and then

04:16:45.080 he hooks up with her i that so it's transactional you're expecting to have sex no no that's not what

04:16:50.600 i said i just don't want to feel like a sucker i feel like that yeah i don't sound like a big

04:16:54.920 bitch right now like yeah what like if you were like if i feel like if you were like this like

04:17:01.160 big macho masculine man whatever bitches wouldn't be playing you like that they wouldn't be able to

04:17:05.640 play you like i i'm telling you there's certain they know what i'm saying there's a certain type of

04:17:09.560 man that you wouldn't even try to play even him you know it's not the same big thing i wouldn't go on

04:17:14.520 a date with him and be like oh yeah i'm gonna con him out of his money thank you it's not even

04:17:24.600 i don't really care if a man's paying for me on a date i'll pay for myself on the date i don't

04:17:28.200 really give a but what i'm saying is i agree with kiko that you're a walking contradiction for the type

04:17:32.280 of energy you want or the type of energy you want yeah i'm not though i'm really not

04:17:44.520 keep going ladies but okay

04:17:52.680 so every every guy takes l's even really attractive guys take l's yes even really attractive guys

04:17:59.880 will take l's on this more more else and mine no more other or some men take an l and they step

04:18:07.480 their cookies up so they don't get can you just move that mic on the ground please just put it on the

04:18:11.640 ground it's like you know was it fool me once shame on you oh yeah mr davis is here

04:18:19.480 we're adding another hour aren't we at least yeah so rude jasmine so rude yeah here we go now we have

04:18:25.000 an actual we've got a chat what you're trying to say is you just don't want to be a closer to the

04:18:28.440 relationship right yeah what's that you just don't want to be a cock in the relationship is that right

04:18:33.000 yeah i don't want to feel like a sucker you know and there here's the thing there's this term

04:18:37.080 called foodie calls so girls will have a dude in their phone as like uber or ride or food no and

04:18:45.720 yeah they actually did a study in what a california guys do foodie guys can't do foodie calls hold on

04:18:53.240 so california at a california university i'm actually gonna get the professor on who did the study

04:18:57.960 found like 33 to 60 i forget the exact number but they studied this phenomenon of foodie calls

04:19:04.760 where basically women will go out on dates in order to just with no romantic interest just to

04:19:10.680 get a free meal okay how many women were that's called robbery but actually you can't like if it

04:19:17.240 was like 10 people and out of 10 people three people like 32 percent you get the stats hold on eric

04:19:22.920 can you in the other tab look up the girl who went on six days six dates a week in new york to save on

04:19:30.440 grocery bills there's this news article this is what this girl's doing what she was saying before

04:19:36.360 she left the girl about how when you drive a car there's a chance you're gonna get yes when you go

04:19:40.280 on dates there's a chance that you might get played but you're taking that risk no matter what because

04:19:44.120 you're going on dates you're going you're putting yourself out there it doesn't you're you're playing

04:19:48.600 like i'm a little victim so i don't want to get i don't want to have to pay for the date so i'm being

04:19:52.520 vigilant i'm not i'm not but shouldn't you be able to discern to some degree how these women are

04:19:59.080 like are they 304s you know yeah 304s your judgment call like right or are they virtuous women you

04:20:05.640 shouldn't be able to tell that even before you go on the date it's you you can but like some of

04:20:11.160 some of these girls like the there's hold on there are some very unassuming women whoa they're

04:20:20.600 honking at us nah well there's just like some subtle yeah like there's some women that you would

04:20:26.440 never think it they can be very demure very reserved yes but like and we've had we've had one girl on

04:20:32.200 this panel she was 19 super shy very quiet very calm you would have never guessed it in the sheets

04:20:38.120 no she's she her body count was like 33 at 19. that was the girl i was on with

04:20:45.080 it might have been a different girl 19 years old 33 body count didn't seem like very kind of shy

04:20:51.320 very quiet no indicators like i would have assumed like she was not yeah it happens to girls too like

04:20:58.840 they meet a guy i think he's very sweet whatever he's just here till the bed he rapes them

04:21:03.160 i'm like your your problem on going on date is like oh i might lose my money she might go give

04:21:11.480 my her leftovers dude our thought is hopefully he doesn't murder me yeah yeah hopefully i come out

04:21:16.920 of this like alive and hopefully the public enough place hopefully there's enough people here one sec

04:21:21.240 eric can you pull that back up we did actually find this article for the michael noll show this is

04:21:24.840 one of the fake article articles we did on one of the fridays oh that's right this was a true

04:21:28.360 story that's yeah so women women went on six dates a week to save on food i didn't buy groceries for

04:21:33.480 two years she made like this tick tock eric can you scroll down just a little bit can you imagine

04:21:37.160 how scroll down value her time has though yeah how many do you think are doing this yeah just like

04:21:45.160 buy some ramen noodles yeah literally this is such an outlier okay so she says hold on what is capping

04:21:55.160 uh lying is it what oh okay it's like to lie oh like when you're like no cap no cap for real yeah

04:22:00.920 yeah yeah yeah dead ass dead ass dead ass you for real uh so okay between 2016 and 2018 i didn't buy

04:22:07.880 groceries once probably saved about 150 air click seymour you don't have to play the video she's 100

04:22:14.280 whatever can you pull it back up already using the word good use uh oh yeah just probably saved

04:22:27.240 about 150 a week and like she's i'm not trying to be mean to her she's like an average looking girl

04:22:33.960 she's not particularly she's not particularly remarkable in terms of her appearance and she's

04:22:38.520 able to pull this off so to me i i don't want to feel like a sucker it's it's not about i you

04:22:45.160 mentioned oh so she owes you sex no i don't view it that way at all i just want to not feel bad about

04:22:50.920 making an investment and her like being manic manipulative and that would make me feel bad

04:22:57.000 that would make me would you be able to pay like 50 50 you guys split it that way you're not i wouldn't

04:23:01.400 expect her that's the worst her to pay yeah but i would pay for my bill you know i actually have

04:23:05.720 an extra appetizer yeah that is we'll let brian do that yeah if me and tatum go on a date um i want

04:23:19.000 her home at 11. you know uh in and out i got you you want a milkshake i got you that's a very

04:23:28.680 wholesome day what what flavor do you get i love it in and out yeah what flavor oh she's i go for

04:23:34.040 chocolate i drink your milkshake i drink it up okay then why do you go on a date why do you have that

04:23:46.680 no ryan i've been brian your bris needs to be better this is not okay my what the riz the

04:23:53.480 riz the riz you're trying my riz is just off oh it's like game my riz is game see but that's

04:24:00.840 convenient for women to say because women don't need game or riz you just show up i mean if they

04:24:07.400 want an actual relationship they need gamer women don't need game only be the ugly men maybe okay

04:24:14.040 well that's true doesn't the man's riz sort of oh sorry sorry doesn't the man's riz sort of set

04:24:19.480 the tone for like all of the but if she's not charismatic back are you still gonna talk to her

04:24:25.000 if she's like a uh yes my name is i do like sunsets and walking on the damage in her like you gotta

04:24:32.840 talk back it goes both ways if she's if she sounds like a weirdo you're gonna keep talking to her

04:24:37.080 no i just mean i'm i just mean aren't women kind of impressionable i guess is what i'm saying yes yes

04:24:43.160 thank you but i think it goes both ways yeah yeah more more in one way than another but but i

04:24:48.920 agree it goes both ways that's true tatum get off your phone i'm sorry she's texting her other

04:24:52.680 boyfriend she's like i'm gonna have some nice takeout tonight i'll bring you the leftovers babe don't

04:24:59.560 worry

04:25:05.320 i'm playing this full so good stop it get some help

04:25:15.400 this is dunk on prime hour you're correcting all my toxic masculinity i know i like michael

04:25:21.560 you like michael oh should we do that let's bring him on the podcast more okay oh wow i

04:25:26.520 thought i was a co-host yeah i thought i i don't know no it's i like getting in these i'm glad that

04:25:30.520 we have a a positive reception for you michael because i wasn't sure maybe i thought you know

04:25:35.560 you are a genocidal maniac i am a genocidal maniac so i was concerned but these ladies can see beyond

04:25:40.760 that you know it's listen sometimes it's like men are from mars women are from venus you don't need

04:25:45.320 to agree on everything it's like sometimes the man loves genocide sometimes the women you know they

04:25:50.680 like abortion hamburgers or whatever yeah it's like i mean genocide also by the way since since

04:26:01.080 uh ben here ben it's right yeah pro-life and pro-genocide those are two crazy things since

04:26:06.200 you're joining the panel here uh just uh do you want to just introduce yourself to the audience i

04:26:10.600 don't think you really got a chance i'm ben davies i'm the producer of the michael noll show

04:26:14.600 and you can also check me out on cream of the crop on pureflix streaming now yeah they launch this

04:26:19.560 week this is the other thing you know so ben is a pretty well-known actor in especially in like

04:26:23.560 christian movies and i didn't believe this because i don't really watch christian movies but i was one

04:26:27.160 time i was on my stream and mr davies here walks in the background and then someone in my stream was

04:26:31.960 just like is that my favorite actor ben davies i was like i don't but it was his mother who said that

04:26:38.760 it was a good cry we want to see the acting happen i'm not less to get paid you know you have to get

04:26:44.520 cash i would ask brian but he doesn't pay he doesn't first date so he'll pay half of his

04:26:53.960 he'll get you next time okay uh what's your relationship status i'm married oh with kids

04:27:00.120 same as michael oh congrats i've been married for eight years now eight years how old are you 33 30. oh

04:27:06.840 okay we're the same oh right yeah yeah yeah yes yes okay cool cool all right let me do a couple of

04:27:12.360 these chats here we have davon jackson if you can pull that back up uh the stream stream labs tab

04:27:19.720 yo we got a 50 here thank you davon chad gets to hit it for free and these other losers get the

04:27:25.480 privilege of taking her on dates laughing my ass off kind of related to what we were just talking about

04:27:33.080 i mean yeah that's one of the reasons why like guys don't want to be made out to be suckers

04:27:36.920 is like and you know it's funny like think of like a celebrity but who would you have um maybe

04:27:44.200 all of you can tell me do you have a celebrity crush timothy chalamet yeah um tim would you want

04:27:52.760 timothy chalamet well you maybe what you want is not the right question um would you require timothy

04:28:00.440 chalamet to pay for you or is he of such a high enough status that you would be willing to accept

04:28:07.800 that dude is making so much money if he didn't i'd be like crazy what of course he should pay he's like

04:28:14.360 so he's the thing though do you do you know celebrities have you spent time with celebrities

04:28:19.080 some so you you may or may not have noticed celebrities are extremely weird about like like

04:28:25.240 they'll they won't shower sometimes for periods of like they they do really weird things so i

04:28:30.440 wouldn't be surprised you are on the date with a celebrity and he intentionally just doesn't pay

04:28:34.920 do you still go on another day with him

04:28:39.000 poster check well tatum poster check sorry you're good do i go on another date with him if he doesn't

04:28:45.960 pay for the first one yeah if he intends to pay for the second one well i was also saying that i don't

04:28:52.120 i don't i don't think i like i personally don't care if the guy pays like i literally said that

04:28:56.840 multiple times i don't either i just was saying i think it's a contradiction for brian to say he

04:29:01.480 won't pay for the type of person he is well what type of person am i traditional a guy with traditional

04:29:07.640 values am i what you pretend i don't know you seem like you are sometimes you seem like you're not

04:29:13.000 the next we cannot keep up brian what if what if i'm just an egalitarian that's the worst of all

04:29:20.120 you know i i actually like though i like the impulse for a woman to to want to pay or at the

04:29:26.600 very least to offer to pay because it's a sense of hey we're navigating this weird modern world where

04:29:32.520 everything's screwed up and nothing's settled and then when the man says no i'll pay i it would be

04:29:37.240 nice if the woman like oh cool all right what is she like yeah and then i would say yeah then she's

04:29:42.120 i got ice cream yeah yeah that's nice like yeah but then the man still shouldn't let you play for

04:29:47.800 the ice cream nice he should pay for everything okay nice i think i am taking some l's tonight

04:29:55.560 yes you are right yeah they're tearing the shreds yeah good times okay we have uh these last three

04:30:02.280 here or last two uh on stream labs then we have to go back to youtube okay dank naked thank you for

04:30:07.640 the 50 man scuffed scuffed intro technical difficulties from the star glad the show's

04:30:12.280 still the same thank you bryce appreciate it alvin sam thank you for the 50 brian and michael would you

04:30:16.920 smash the hottest trans woman in the world yeah we already did that one or did we answer this is

04:30:22.680 like this is the new philosophical test you know it's like the train analogy the trolley dilemma

04:30:28.760 trolley dilemma you know yeah would you would you smash the uh trans trans i don't know what is

04:30:35.880 that no would you rather sleep with the oldest woman in the world so we're talking like what

04:30:39.480 like 112 or something by now this question or the hottest trams those are my two choices then i would

04:30:45.080 get married to the oldest woman in the world and and then you know do what married couples do

04:30:49.880 so based so based hopefully you don't kill her right okay all right i think that's it for the those

04:30:56.120 ones oh and then we have some came in on oh well let me let me get the super chat ones did we do this

04:31:04.360 one yeah did we read this one yep are you sure yeah we yeah we did okay yes oh yeah yeah we got that one

04:31:12.520 rails yo tara tara tara tara tara kratz thank you for the 50 appreciate it uh loony boy thank you for the 50.

04:31:22.120 brian got made of made fun of for looking like he sells bibles now we have full-blown bible study

04:31:28.280 keep doing the lord's work gentlemen oh the draw follow video we'll react to that really quick

04:31:33.320 protect kiko she's a good sport keep selling those bibles i got you man i i apparently according

04:31:39.160 to drew off follow i am a bible salesman we'll pull up that video here in a sec ocj uh thank you for

04:31:45.080 the 50 bombshell in blue can we clone you uh rip she left you definitely have very attractive

04:31:49.400 mindset and views yeah yeah okay uh rare to find that in women nowadays hey oc thank you man appreciate

04:32:00.040 it uh i can coordinate a little rendezvous with kiko if you'd like uh drive thank you for that merci

04:32:06.360 beaucoup for le canadian 100 mr knolls uh mig tau men going their own way within the church what do you

04:32:13.160 think and why also red pill pua etc i feel there is a growing number sure is that is that the thing

04:32:20.040 in the church men going their own way i mean no except in the sense that may you can be a single

04:32:26.680 person and consecrate that to god or you can be a priest or a nun or a you know what do you mean going

04:32:30.920 their own way like not dating not getting married so you can you can do that but you need to have some

04:32:36.840 kind of vocation so either you need to you need to marry god or you need to marry a lady um there's no

04:32:42.840 there's no just like do your own thing man you know you can you do you that's not that's not allowed

04:32:48.440 in the church so if if people are doing it it's because they're not well catechized okay so you just

04:32:53.400 it's not okay to be alone well no you're with if you're with god you know i mean if you're like

04:32:57.960 or if you join a religious order or something like that yeah but you're not alone so if you're

04:33:02.040 also if you don't have a wife and kids or husband and kids you have to be a nun or priest or you're

04:33:08.520 just going against the face a kind of consecrated singlehood even as a lay person but it would it

04:33:12.840 would have to be a so what what because marriage is is an analogy it's a symbol of christ so what

04:33:18.600 makes that them being a person that's a catholic that's single versus a catholic that's devoted into

04:33:24.520 their own really like whatever you just said what makes the difference between the two well

04:33:28.360 difference would be the the object of of your love and and uh so if they just think about it

04:33:32.920 if they just think that their love is for god then they're fine if they don't think about their living

04:33:36.600 for god they're not fine i'm really trying to learn right now well i'm happy to teach you faith without

04:33:40.760 works is dead so you you know the tree by its fruit and uh one good way to understand love would be that

04:33:46.520 love is willing the good of the other so we talk a lot now about self-love and how it's just so important

04:33:51.560 to love yourself and that is the path to absolute madness you you want to have a love and respect for

04:33:56.360 yourself is proper to you because obviously you you can't love your neighbor as yourself if you hate

04:34:01.400 yourself what's the wild statement i don't i don't know what self-love is leading to madness yeah it's

04:34:09.560 just narcissism is what it really mostly is so like a statement that like that just sounds no i guess it's

04:34:15.000 not yours so it wouldn't be narcissistic but it's just sorry bern it does it just leads to i don't

04:34:20.920 know how else to describe it if you because a man wrapped up in himself makes a very small package

04:34:25.000 indeed so you you're you need to direct your love towards someone else and ultimately all of

04:34:30.040 that love is pointed to its source and summit who is god and so that doesn't mean you can't do that

04:34:33.960 alone you know you can't do that alone plenty of people are celibate a woman god is not a woman god

04:34:40.040 is a man god is a man and you should respect his pronouns haram yeah i believe god's a woman eric did you

04:34:46.360 say we have just one more in stream labs one more that came through uh i think kiko after after you

04:34:53.400 named the 200 countries could you name the 12 continents i think there are 195 countries you wrote

04:34:59.960 scholar 100 oh well okay let's pull up uh excuse me let's do the twitch then the drew clip and then

04:35:07.160 let's wrap go ahead eric it's not lap yes it was technically also a bunch of people asked me in

04:35:12.920 text message if that ring is real the rain yeah the ring no i can't see it from here oh it's right

04:35:18.040 it really has it got some weight to it or is it plastic it's like seven dollars from amazon there's

04:35:23.080 a lot of people rooting for you guys um guys pull up a twitch tab go to twitch.tv slash whatever

04:35:29.400 drop us a follow if you have amazon prime you can link it to twitch and you can sub every month totally

04:35:34.520 free it's a quick free easy way to support the show so if you have a twitch prime amazon prime sub

04:35:39.400 drop us one drop us a follow twitch.tv slash whatever link is in the description eric can you

04:35:44.280 go ahead and pull up that drew a follow i'm sorry i can't pronounce your name um pull up that clip

04:35:49.480 i want uh to get uh the panel and michael's uh take on this go ahead okay so you think you're a 10

04:35:59.240 yeah i think i'm gorgeous i think i'm perfect listen don't take this the wrong way

04:36:03.880 you're not playing on me you're you're not a 10. okay that's just your opinion all right first of

04:36:09.080 all every time i feel like we stamp out a roach aka a white man with a podcast like this he contributes

04:36:17.240 literally nothing up uh so he or she drew uh um said every time we stamp out a what was it a roach a

04:36:26.840 cockroach aka a white man with a podcast now which is just redundant by the way right

04:36:34.440 do all white men in america today have a podcast i think are there any men who don't it's like a

04:36:39.560 trope it's like a re-put back in the world like our voices are being silenced let's put them back

04:36:44.040 out we gotta reinforce it so so basically she she was reacting to a clip from our podcast we have a

04:36:49.720 segment actually perhaps we should do it before we wrap where we ask everyone to rate themselves on

04:36:53.960 the scale of one to ten in terms in terms of their physical appearance and the girl said she was a

04:36:58.440 10 and you said she's not i said she wasn't but that's your opinion but but so and in any case she's

04:37:12.280 reacting to you know i'm perhaps a bit blunt or rude in me saying hey look i don't i don't um

04:37:19.640 um she identifies as a 10 and i do not subscribe to her self-assessment um but i i guess the

04:37:30.040 troubling statement that i found there was she says a cockroach another cockroach or what did she say

04:37:38.520 we stamped out another cockroach aka a white man yeah with a podcast now i think if you were to replace

04:37:45.240 white man with any other group that would be a or at least viewed from someone who's

04:37:50.920 oh of course as a very troublesome statement white people are the only race that you're not only

04:37:56.200 permitted to disparage but actually encouraged to disparage and you can legally discriminate against

04:38:00.840 and then men are the sex that you're allowed to publicly disparage encouraged to do so can

04:38:05.960 discriminate because they they those two white people as a as a race and men as a sex whatever

04:38:13.640 chromosomes whatever makes you feel most comfortable putting it have yes you guys can face discrimination

04:38:20.120 but there's no prejudice line in between it so honestly it's it's just words it's just words

04:38:26.120 she's called white people cockroaches okay and i you want to know what i've been called my people

04:38:30.760 have been called less i would rather you have that one i don't think you get called all those terrible

04:38:34.520 things do you i was called i got a message yesterday saying he's gonna burn me alive like the

04:38:38.280 nigga i am so yes i do all the day constantly day in day out that's the difference disavow your life

04:38:44.680 disavow no it's not because of what he's saying it's not happening i just know i just wonder because

04:38:49.880 so you get a message from a guy online right every public person gets all these mean really nasty

04:38:54.360 messages but in the culture the the only uh racially disparaging message that anyone could hear in

04:39:01.160 movies and tv and music is against white people you would never hear it against any oh you wouldn't

04:39:06.200 because it's been in the movies and tvs and i had to hear one example i heard my white teacher

04:39:11.320 read the hard n word like what do you mean well that's fine in huckleberry finn yeah if you're

04:39:16.680 reading no i was talking about to kill a mockingbird but it's what you're not understanding is these

04:39:20.760 words what you're saying is because there's no you guys didn't face the prejudice and discrimination

04:39:27.320 for all those years backing behind it does it make it as basically it doesn't make it as a problem

04:39:32.600 yes no it's not wrong right now all unjust racial prejudice at at the public level is directed against

04:39:39.880 white people it's and to a little bit uh asian people because get they get lumped in an affirmative

04:39:43.560 action too it's the only race also a little bit with asians but it's mostly white people are it is

04:39:48.520 legal to discriminate against white people for the purposes of of getting into colleges and getting

04:39:53.960 jobs that's not true of any other race other races have an advantage they get up until

04:39:59.960 because of what because why because why michael because why diversity hiring practices but because

04:40:04.760 why why are these in place why are these in place because of an unconstitutional uh policy called

04:40:09.640 affirmative action but why do we have affirmative action why why because liberals have a a racial

04:40:14.840 caste system and they don't like white people okay but he's now it's not being respectful when

04:40:19.640 we're ignoring why these things are in place like you all didn't have black people enslaved for all

04:40:24.120 these years that's the reason why we have these things in because we're not equal we're trying we're

04:40:29.640 trying to create more equality because it's so we're so far gone from that i think america is

04:40:35.080 too far gone anyway but slavery was abolished in 1865 it's 2020 and when does segregation get when

04:40:40.360 when was segregation police um well self-segregation still exists and and that's not what i asked you

04:40:46.120 exists as a matter of public policy there are now in universities black only dorms that white

04:40:51.880 students are not allowed to enter so segregation still exists today it's just by i personally don't

04:40:57.640 give a fuck but that's not what i asked you you didn't yes no i asked when to segregate yes i'm

04:41:02.120 talking about legal segregation that is what i'm talking about it's going on today i mean i mean

04:41:06.920 there's segregation by choice obviously discussion because it's 11 55 yeah i agree with her i think

04:41:11.960 we should do this on the next episode sure sure sure should not be getting introduced last question

04:41:16.840 on that though so just really quick to put a kind of maybe a cherry on top of that how do you define

04:41:22.040 racism um i hate doing this off the top of my head um here's i don't want to say something that you

04:41:31.400 guys try to tear it let me ask let me ask let me come back to that question do you think you can be

04:41:37.320 racist against white people no you could be just i think you could be just i think you could hold on

04:41:42.600 i want to go around the table on this before i michael or i respond what about you

04:41:46.600 no that's it so no can't be racist against i think you can discriminate against them or you

04:41:53.400 can be prejudiced against them but can't be racism comes from a place of like someone having less power

04:42:00.360 over someone else or more power okay so if a if a if white people right now can be discriminated

04:42:05.880 against as a matter of law and they're basically the only race for whom that is true and if there

04:42:11.560 are now major policies how is that the only race that's true for i feel asians can still be

04:42:19.320 discriminated against and it happens all the time so why is it no they can be discriminated in favor

04:42:24.360 so they can so when black people apply to colleges they can get a boost okay so you're using one

04:42:28.840 example with colleges when you don't talk about or workplace brutality or other stuff like that

04:42:33.560 because there wasn't like there was only there wasn't that demographic in colleges or workplaces as much

04:42:39.160 so it's right i'm just saying them more i'm just saying able to get there but i'm just saying

04:42:44.040 either way if you just looked at someone's sat scores a black person and a white person with

04:42:48.120 the same sat score the black person is going to get that spot at the university that's what

04:42:51.160 affirmative action does wait so can you be racist against white people no tatum i say no a little

04:42:58.360 louder i didn't sorry no victoria oh i thought okay um yes i mean you just skip the no absolutely

04:43:07.080 not no of course and in this context you just saw a video where someone was saying something

04:43:11.960 blatantly racist and she's not going to lose her job or get castigated most people at this table

04:43:17.000 agree with her the difference is for you in your case like what that person dm2 is horrible and

04:43:21.240 everyone would condemn that and that's that's where you can see the clear racism divide there where you

04:43:25.960 could see that you could say all these horrible things about white people everyone will white night

04:43:29.560 and justifiably so or like for white people no one will do that and then if it's a black person

04:43:34.360 there will be so much action yeah it's because we just don't feel that bad for y'all after

04:43:38.440 everything it's you should feel bad for everybody because racism isn't a fair treatment of different

04:43:44.120 race or color it doesn't it's not racism it's prejudice and discrimination i feel like i agree

04:43:49.160 that prejudice and discrimination shouldn't happen period i don't think she should be saying that

04:43:54.360 about white people period i don't think it's something that should happen i'm not saying it's

04:43:57.000 okay it's wrong no matter who it's not racist but it's not racist it is open the oxford dictionary

04:44:03.880 and define the term racist if i can get my phone right now i would love to look it up from different

04:44:09.240 no racism is unfair treatment based on different race but even by your definition even if it's just

04:44:14.920 from power like someone has like legal power hold on right but so even from that position right now

04:44:21.080 the legal power is such in the country that if you're a white person it is lawful for you to be

04:44:25.640 discriminated against so where does the power resign in the country let's look at most people in

04:44:30.120 politics let's look at most people who have power let's look at the past the history like you always

04:44:34.280 like to bring up the history yeah where does that lie with white people so why they have the power

04:44:39.720 so yes maybe she called you a cockroach i'm so sorry but you guys don't really have to feel racism

04:44:45.480 to the extent that people of color do and you'll never understand it because you're not a person of

04:44:49.560 color but period you won't get it it's the same thing as you won't understand stuff that women

04:44:53.560 have to deal with and you and we won't understand stuff that men have to deal with it's like even

04:44:58.120 the fact that you could see like i can give giggle and laugh in a second though but like i'm i don't

04:45:02.760 care what anyone says i could tell from the table we are the two most poc color people at the table and

04:45:07.080 you can sit and have this conversation and laugh and giggle and have funny times this is not anything

04:45:11.320 funny to us right now yeah this is something we deal with our livelihood you know what's really

04:45:16.040 serious though you know what's really serious the only the only race in america and also the asians

04:45:20.360 a little bit but pretty much the only race you can discriminate you can sit here and laugh and giggle

04:45:27.320 at the the fact that white people are discriminated against in america as a matter of law and you can

04:45:32.040 laugh and giggle at the fact that men can be discriminated against can be castigated publicly can be

04:45:36.920 can be disparaged and that will be encouraged so you can laugh about that because you guys have

04:45:41.080 the power and you're allowed to enjoy that but we the poor uh straight white males here we we feel

04:45:46.600 that and we laugh poor straight white males so he repeated the same thing over time michael let me

04:45:51.160 ask you a question how many times have you been attacked when you're like just doing something

04:45:56.120 like walking around the street no but without being known without being known because now you're

04:45:59.560 probably known before you were a few times you said people come up to you and like oh you crazy white

04:46:04.680 person and just attacking you purely for your race you need to leave i've been attacked multiple

04:46:10.120 times and it's happening really and that's people come up to you on the street yes i don't like

04:46:13.400 what i was called a nigger to my face more than five times in public yes by whom random one time

04:46:19.160 it was an asian lady it's been three older white men it's usually older white men and then a white

04:46:23.480 lady as well older white men in what context they just walk out one person i honked at somebody because

04:46:28.120 they almost hit my car she rolled her nigger what i wonder nigger oh you know what another time i

04:46:32.680 another time i worked i went with my friends this is back this is the first time i ever got called to my

04:46:36.520 face when i was 16 years old my friends from k through eight took me to their friend's house

04:46:40.840 he actually went to play the next year he played four years as a linebacker at alabama right we're

04:46:45.400 at his um auto body shop i walk in he's like to his friend oh y'all brought the nigger with you

04:46:51.400 have you like it's nothing like it's have you ever been racially what am i going to say to this

04:46:55.400 300 pound six foot five white dude you know i sit there i'm just sitting there smiling you don't have to

04:47:02.120 deal with that you know what i wonder though i i do wonder you don't have to fear for your life

04:47:05.480 because you're white yeah listen i i think you could probably handle yourself pretty well but

04:47:09.320 by 125 pounds i think he goes probably pretty scrappy but i i wonder in that first instance

04:47:16.600 which is obviously not to excuse it but in that first instance do you think the guy called you that

04:47:21.160 or the lady or whoever it was because that person hates black people or do you think as i

04:47:26.760 frequently think these sorts of things go do you think that person called you that because that

04:47:31.240 person didn't like you and didn't like what what you did okay so i have another and so they don't

04:47:35.720 like black people and so they well i i just don't think it's that like for instance i've been no i

04:47:38.840 have another instance because i've been called a guido and i don't think it's because the person

04:47:43.000 hates italian people i think it's because the person doesn't like me and so they look at

04:47:46.520 italian too and that's not so wait wait i was nowhere near nigger so that's not even those two things

04:47:51.240 it's exactly it's just another racial slur i might be so mad at what a mexican or someone that person does

04:47:56.120 on the street my first reaction isn't to be calling them the b-word that's not where my mind goes someone who

04:48:00.120 what their first reactions call you is a b-word is because they hate all mexicans that's where that

04:48:03.720 stems from i don't think that's true i don't think someone who calls out no i don't think listen listen

04:48:08.120 i was i was five years old and i was with my older sister we're both very obviously poc we're at

04:48:14.680 barnes and nobles and we're reading and we're reading books just reading books minding our own

04:48:19.400 business a white man comes up to us and he says you two need to leave you don't belong here your people

04:48:26.520 are ruining this country and he started harassing us so we had to get the people in bards and nobles

04:48:32.200 saw this obviously like okay that's not okay we're two young girls the police were called something

04:48:36.920 things were happening because he was physically attacking us and verbally attacking us physically

04:48:41.000 attacking yeah he was he was pushing my sister it got extreme and it's just because we're sitting

04:48:46.120 there reading books like what is people can be violent but it doesn't necessarily mean that it has really

04:48:52.680 anything to do with your race it's a bad thing i'm not saying it's a good thing to say all these

04:49:04.280 words it's certainly bad but it doesn't mean you should like what we've seen in the videos that the

04:49:10.280 black or afro-american woman was relating her hate towards the another race so she was trying to do what

04:49:17.800 you have been trying to get rid of for so long so how does it make a difference none of us said it

04:49:22.680 was okay we just said it's not racist none of us said that she could continue doing that we just said

04:49:27.080 because of the history of what how racism according to sociology and how the term is defined it's not

04:49:32.520 racist because y'all haven't faced any oppression for it to be racism it's just discriminatory if

04:49:37.880 the law discriminates against you it's obviously some kind of oppression wait and i just also wonder

04:49:42.120 like you know you've mentioned this that you've been called all sorts of mean names because you're black

04:49:46.920 i would not know that you're black if you didn't tell me that that's the thing because maybe you're

04:49:51.000 not racist i wouldn't believe you're racist i would never think you're racist but racist people

04:49:54.920 i am half italian i'm 25 25 sicilian the rest from northern italy but that's the thing those racist

04:50:02.200 people a lot of people could think i'm a tough or latin whatever racist people they can tell they that

04:50:08.040 two percent blood whatever they can they can i don't know if they can sniff it out of me they know they

04:50:12.680 know maybe i'm telling you because like i well i don't even think it matters whether or not they

04:50:17.640 know she's black like i've been called black so many times and i'm not even black yeah yeah it just

04:50:21.400 they as they assume they generalize they just like i would think you're you're white passing even if

04:50:27.480 you're a person of color passing yes but am i am i person of color passing no no no so i'm just white

04:50:33.800 wait so how about this throughout or i'm nothing throughout history have white people ever faced racism

04:50:40.520 at any point in history yeah obviously there is well there there was i don't think of a few

04:50:47.240 where the whole holocaust but that's at the hands of other white people let's talk about the hands

04:50:51.720 of someone that's not white it was because it's white on white people so let's talk about there was

04:50:57.080 not to like get too touchy politically but there was this study that just came out that got everybody

04:51:00.760 in a lot of trouble like the dilbert guy because it was a it was a study about uh feelings of racial

04:51:05.560 consciousness and racial antipathy and so there's a few research study that came out on racial

04:51:10.440 consciousness and it examined asians hispanics blacks and whites found out the question was

04:51:15.720 is your race somewhat or very important to your identity and for asians hispanics and blacks it

04:51:20.760 was all 50 plus percent for black people it was over 70 for white people it was 15 it's very low

04:51:26.360 racial identity and then there was this survey why do you think that is because y'all don't have to

04:51:29.800 consider your racial identity day to day i can't i can't be single day of my life i can't go a single

04:51:35.800 day of my life almost without being reminded that i'm black literally it's so because y'all don't

04:51:40.680 have to deal with it like you just proved it to us you don't even see it it happens in everyday life

04:51:45.640 for us and you don't even see it because you don't have to deal with it yeah it's nothing to you your

04:51:48.760 race is not a thought to you because you're just a white man it's nothing to you me being a black woman

04:51:52.360 i have to navigate certain things i have to be like okay maybe like me my mom stopped somewhere

04:51:56.440 before my mom is black we on the way from san francisco to here we stopped somewhere had to leave

04:52:01.480 because we were threatened to leave it was like san ardo or something we didn't realize you bring a

04:52:05.080 civil rights you don't have to consciously be like oh i can't stop here because the sun downtown i

04:52:09.800 can't stop here because they're known for being racist there are plenty of places where there are

04:52:12.760 plenty of places where i wouldn't stop because i'd get shot or why because because what you go

04:52:16.120 online and say right because of how your persona not because you're a white no because i'm a sort of

04:52:20.360 preppy looking white guy driving you know i actually don't drive a very nice car but if i drive

04:52:24.840 into certain neighborhoods i am probably going to be hassled a little bit and probably my race would have

04:52:29.240 something well i think it just i don't think it have to do with your race i think you just have

04:52:32.600 to do with whether or not you're a person who looks you don't think a white guy rolls up a sort of

04:52:37.240 relatively modest looking white guy rolls up into watts in the middle of the night and pulls into a

04:52:41.480 gas station wearing a pink polo shirt you know going to the atm you don't think he's going to get

04:52:45.640 hassled a little bit i think so is the black woman like anyone's going to get hassled in that situation

04:52:50.520 not just a white man you're not getting hassled in that situation because you're a white man you don't

04:52:54.280 think that the white guy who rolls up into compton at the in the middle of the night at the atm you don't

04:52:59.080 think he's more likely to be harassed than uh an asian guy or no i don't i think they're going to

04:53:05.240 equally be harassed unless they're you could obviously they're both clearly packing a gun

04:53:08.440 or something unless the white man's a lot smaller than the other man if they're the same size you're

04:53:12.920 equally going to get harassed you're not getting your house more because you're a white man i don't

04:53:15.800 know that that's borne out in in the real experience of violent crime irish too by the way

04:53:22.760 the irish too they were yeah they were sort of they were discriminating you know i'm part irish but i'm

04:53:28.200 not they were discriminated against who the irish were discriminated against oh against by who

04:53:34.200 the english so white on white okay so once again that's almost like that's almost like victim

04:53:41.160 blaming it doesn't how is that victim blaming what you're saying what you're saying that's not a problem

04:53:46.520 on race that's had it maybe has to do with origin of where they came from but has nothing to do with

04:53:51.320 like skin also there hasn't white people don't migrate into predominantly black countries uh you know

04:53:57.720 other than colonialism which isn't exactly regular migration in modern times that doesn't happen so

04:54:02.200 there would be no historical example for that so we migrated into this area or you guys colonized

04:54:07.720 this area well it depends which people you're talking about so both hispanic slaves i mean they

04:54:13.320 talk you took of african-american people from africa brought them here and you're like oh well now we

04:54:18.760 don't want you here descendants of slaves obviously okay mexican people they are california was mexico

04:54:24.120 literally so i don't know what you're talking about i mean but there are there are many there

04:54:27.160 are two million illegal aliens who cross into the country oh wow aliens wow they're not humans

04:54:32.600 abortion what no that's just that's that's i'm ready it's illegal alien just means a foreigner but i'm

04:54:38.440 just saying they're not they're not people from california they're people who come up from

04:54:41.560 nicaragua honduras i think it's a technical term it is a legal term like i'm an alien in this

04:54:46.280 country yeah you're a resident alien she's a ukraine not like not like et besides the point you're saying they

04:54:50.920 came here yeah so they'll come from nicaragua honduras guatemala so they're not there it's not

04:54:55.240 like they were living in texas or california they've chosen to immigrate into the country and that yeah

04:54:59.080 that happens a lot so i'm saying there's a lot of people who are total who are lived who lived here

04:55:03.480 way long before because this used to be mexico right you pushed them out we pushed them not

04:55:07.160 saying sort of but it wasn't it was no it was actually michael is genocidal so it was actually

04:55:12.680 that's true yeah i am so they you push them out and then and now they want to come back and you're like no

04:55:18.600 you're illegal now so we can't no well it's no no it's when you when you uh take annex a territory

04:55:24.200 it's not that you deport everyone it didn't deport all the sort of well because it wasn't a pointing

04:55:27.880 back then it was just like killing them and saying leave no not really i mean even you know i mean

04:55:33.000 there wasn't really a law that the united states wasn't developed no there wasn't there wasn't a

04:55:36.440 genocide of the mexican people at the annexation there was genocide of the native american people

04:55:40.440 there's genocide of other people not there were there were there wasn't not really not in the way that

04:55:44.760 you would probably be describing no i mean there it's much more complicated the the settlers indian

04:55:49.640 relations were very complicated i think about some of my ancestors you're right no i just i just have

04:55:55.080 i just happen to have read certain history books and can tell you what happened and so you know like

04:55:59.080 when for instance when the pilgrims come here they create a great alliance with the massasoit and

04:56:04.120 the wampanoag indians they didn't just go slaughter everybody in fact the wampanoags helped the the

04:56:08.360 pilgrims to go attack the massachusetts and so it's just a much more complicated history than a lot of people

04:56:13.080 want to pretend which is like white man bad everyone else i don't think it's just the it's

04:56:17.560 i i agree i don't think it's black and white but i'm saying it's very complex and it's a very complex

04:56:21.800 thing that i don't think you guys will ever understand yeah i think i can if you got rational

04:56:25.880 faculties you can understand a lot you know not really unless you have there's just i don't need

04:56:30.840 i don't need to suffer cancer to understand how cancer functions i've like that's a not to research it

04:56:36.200 sure but like i no matter how much you say you will never understand what somebody is going through

04:56:40.920 with cancer unless you have cancer i could never claim to know what that's like that's asinine to

04:56:45.720 say that but the the reason that there's such a thing as sympathy or compassion yeah well empathy

04:56:51.800 is that what you're looking for no empathy is when you actually do have an experience that one shares

04:56:56.040 but what i'm talking about is sympathy or compassion which is suffering with somebody

04:57:00.040 uh that we do all the time yeah you're suffering with them but you're not feel you're not experiencing

04:57:04.680 what they're experiencing just because you know somebody who has cancer doesn't mean you now know

04:57:08.360 what it feels like to have cancer that's what you just said but the problem the problem is that if

04:57:11.960 we if we cannot understand the private feelings of other people if we cannot communicate that in

04:57:16.600 any way then there cannot be any such thing i agree and we should try to understand but if we cannot

04:57:20.520 accept the fact that even if we try to understand we will never truly understand 100 unless we have

04:57:25.320 gone through it we have to accept that as well but thank you go i can tell you you can never you can

04:57:29.480 never understand my experience i won't as that you can never and so but you're reporting to you're saying

04:57:34.200 that white people haven't suffered depression you're saying that yeah but i'm sure you have

04:57:37.400 experience as a person i'm sure you've experienced that you're as individual being as a christian

04:57:41.160 man whatever i wouldn't understand as a non-white person is how you i guess identify i'm half white

04:57:45.400 technically go ahead yeah right well and sicilian you know that's a liminal question but i'm just saying

04:57:50.360 you are identifying as not white right so as a non-white identifying person i'm just telling you

04:57:56.120 based on your own logic you could never understand you could never understand the suffering the

04:58:01.080 constant turmoil yeah see now you're saying all the suffering stuff yeah i wouldn't say you've

04:58:04.760 endured such suffering but your your life experiences it's just absurd when it goes in

04:58:08.840 the other direction because it just it just means we couldn't communicate you could try to understand

04:58:12.280 but to understand you have to understand and you can see that there was suffering like you're just

04:58:16.680 saying like you can understand but i but i'm joking i don't think about suffering ever almost you

04:58:20.920 know suffering is just a fact of life and it could be it's it's neither good nor bad you know it's i

04:58:24.280 mean it's it's a it's a bad sad fact of the world that we all suffer but it doesn't you know the

04:58:27.960 the only the only thing that matters morally is how you react to suffering it can either be

04:58:31.560 degrading or it can be edifying sanctifying one super chat and then we're going to wrap all right we

04:58:37.240 have uh tara gratz thank you for the uh 50 uh k made a very definitive claim about religion chase

04:58:42.840 responded to that specific claim all the girls on the panel then put on earmuffs like chase brought

04:58:47.240 religion out of nowhere don't make declarative statements and act so immature when they respond

04:58:54.840 to you check out me and chase on a podcast in the future to get a response to that question that's

04:59:01.640 in the books last question for sam here so sam you were dating this guy you are dating this guy same

04:59:07.640 guy they're not dating no she's he's just saying a hypothetical question no no you you are dating

04:59:13.320 there's a guy you're dating currently seeing talking talking dating it's so complicated jesus no

04:59:19.240 wonder um there's all these okay go continue yeah so you you haven't hooked up with him

04:59:26.360 are you sure i mean we've kissed but i don't think that's hooking up just a kiss yeah that's not

04:59:33.160 hooking yeah just a kiss so not every girl is a 304 brian you need to raise your faith

04:59:40.600 you're scaring me okay all right okay guys it's 12 12 perfect time to wrap the show uh before i do

04:59:55.000 any one final thought or question otherwise i'm gonna wrap oh whoa man sorry michael well you know

05:00:04.120 listen uh it is after 2015 so i guess i could okay i'm i'm taking sorry i'm sorry sorry all right

05:00:12.920 um final thought anybody last speak now forever hold your peace i just want to give a shout out to

05:00:18.920 that poor asian guy that sent a chat in the beginning of the show who got absolutely murdered who was

05:00:24.760 making fifty thousand dollars a year yeah you can see it's five three no girl can get past the hype

05:00:29.880 uh shout out to you man thanks for level up thanks for watching there's a lot of women out there under

05:00:35.000 the most brutal thing i've ever seen on the show yeah it's it's tough out there um well hey uh first

05:00:42.360 off i want to thank the wonderful panel um we had numerous uh we covered numerous uh hot button

05:00:50.920 political issues and topics so appreciate you guys uh appreciate everyone uh being good sports and

05:00:57.480 having a really good conversation so uh thanks for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in

05:01:03.240 the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to everyone who's super chatted and

05:01:08.360 supports the show means the world you guys killed it uh seriously really appreciate all the support

05:01:14.600 once again big thank you to the panel thank you to our chat mods thank you to chaz

05:01:19.240 um shout out to the daily wire of course go check them out check out michael's uh youtube channel the

05:01:25.000 michael knolls show be sure be sure to check that out uh any women who are short my dms are open at bdi

05:01:33.320 bd underscore atlas uh guys will be live again sunday wait yes sunday at 7 p.m pacific for our next

05:01:40.920 dating talk show where we will have on kiko and ben shapiro just kidding that's not just kidding um

05:01:48.120 that'll be a good conversation um anyways guys uh like i said we don't know the perfect answer that

05:01:53.800 was the perfect answer i ask myself every day is that you michael uh it's not me no no oh what was

05:02:00.760 the perfect answer she said who who the fuck is that guy really sweet anyways guys tuesday 7 p.m pacific

05:02:08.280 our next dating talk dave chapelle dave chapelle don't worry about it okay anyways guys we'll see

05:02:13.960 you next time have a good night thank you for tuning in and uh yeah have a have a good time guys

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Whatever Podcast - March 09, 2023

Dating Talk #61

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