Dating Talk #69
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5 hours and 35 minutes
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On this episode of Whatever Happened, Brian and Kiki are joined by a new co-host, Eric, to talk about a new streaming service called Streamlabs. They talk about the new service and how it works, and how you can help support it.
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episode 69. By the way, thanks for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the
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California every Sunday and Tuesday at 7 p.m. Pacific. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. I'm joined
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by my co-host Kiki. She's somewhere back there. A bit shy. Okay, a few quick announcements before
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the show begins. This podcast is viewer supported. Heavy YouTube demonetization, so we make nearly
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nothing from ad revenue. Please consider donating through Streamlabs instead of super chatting as
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YouTube. Eric, pull it up. Instead of super chatting. Yeah, there is. It's the Streamlabs tab. Did you
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close it out? Bro, you're scuff. You're scuffing this. Hello? Oh my God. It's so over.
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Fucking... Bro, what... It was literally just working. How did you... I didn't do anything. I
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didn't touch it. Oh my God, bro. I think we should just keep rolling. Okay, Eric, go to the window
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tab. Go all the way down. Scroll down to display. Yeah. Okay, there it is. All right, hold on. How
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did that happen? Scuffed. Scuffed. Okay, in any case, please consider donating through Streamlabs
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Yeah. Okay, someone wants to donate the dollar. And then, yeah, all super... Excuse me. All super
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chats, $100 and up will be read. Scuffed as usual. That's my bad. Yeah, we have to boost it. We want a
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Okay. Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us
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your name, age, and occupation. Go ahead. Hi, I'm Kiko. I'm 23. I go to UCSB and I also bartend.
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I'm Allie, better known for Alweezy. I'm 23 years old from Arizona and I'm your certified bad bitch.
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You're, huh? A certified baddie. Talking to the mic. Yeah, talking to the mic just so they can hear you.
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Say your, say your occupation one more time for us. Just so they can. My occupation is a certified
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bad bitch. What was your age? What was your age again? Very much baddie vibes. I'm 23 years old.
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Okay. And Kiko, 23, right? Yeah. Okay. 23, 23. And certified bad, bad bitch or boss?
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Very much baddie vibes. Like full-time baddie. No breaks. It's very much full-time. What does that,
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what does that mean? Can you explain that? It's just a lifestyle. Like it's, I mean, if you get it,
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you get it. The rules are there. I mean, I feel like every girl can, every woman can be a certified
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baddie. It's just the mindset and it's a full-time job. But if you had, if there was a deaf,
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if there was a dictionary and you were hired by Webster's to define certified bad bitch,
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is that what it is? Yes. How, what, what would be the dictionary definition of a certified bad
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bitch? I would have to say, I mean, if just like toning it down completely, just a woman who's
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confident in herself, does whatever she wants for herself, nobody else, just woman, whatever,
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men, whatever, anybody can be a certified bad bitch. Is that the, it's just, I think it's just the
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level of confidence and it's the mindset for sure. Is that the occupation you list on your taxes?
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Oh, for sure. Very much that. Very much the vibes. Okay. Good times. What about you?
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My name's also Allie. I'm 19 and I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College.
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Are you also a certified bad bitch? I try to be. Yeah.
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My name's Madison. I'm 18. I'm a student at SBCC and I'm studying econ and accounting.
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I'm Billy Ray. I'm 25 and I make men's dating advice content.
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My name is Debra. I'm 23 and I make conservative content.
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My name is Samuel. I'm a biochemist full-time, but I'm also full-time jujitsu artist. Catch me live
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on UFC Fight Pass this Saturday, competing to win gold.
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My name's Chase. 28 years old, professional photographer and brand consultant.
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Okay. Rock and roll. Everyone's Instagrams are in the description.
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So we're going to go around the table once more.
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Are you single? Do you got friends with benefits?
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Are you in the talking stage? Situationship? Relationship?
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And also, in addition to that, your longest relationship. Go ahead.
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Yeah, I'm in a very committed relationship with my boyfriend right now.
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And my longest relationship was like two and a half years.
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And my longest, I guess no real relationship yet.
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But my longest talking phase has to be almost a year, I'd have to say.
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Okay. But you have had like a concurrent period of time.
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Like, you said a one-year period of time where you did have.
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Yeah. Very much like a year-long talking stage.
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If anyone else wants to chime in, what is a talking stage?
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Like, you're just wondering at that point if you're in the talking stage.
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Did you want commitment, but he wasn't willing to give it?
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I feel like the talking stage is like when you add something to your cart on a website,
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and there's like only one left, but it's reserved because it's in your cart, but you don't actually
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I've been, we just started dating on the 5th, actually, so it's pretty fresh, but I've been
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talking to him for about six months, or I've known him for about six months.
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Were you guys friends for the first five months?
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Or was it the talking stage for the five months?
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Yeah, I would say it was a talking stage, yeah.
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For five months, and now you guys have been dating for one month?
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Who brought the topic to wanting it to become something more serious?
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It was more of if, I would say the timing, sort of.
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I don't think he originally wanted to start dating, necessarily.
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He didn't see it in his future, but we just both kind of started liking each other, so
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During the five-month talking stage, were you, like, dating other guys, too?
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Um, possibly in the beginning, but not towards the end, or...
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It's like, you meet someone, and you guys are still dating, and, like, you both know that
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you're seeing other people, but no one's willing to commit yet?
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And, like, that lasts for as long until that person either finds someone that they really
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like while they're dating other people, or they kind of just fall back on whoever they're
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It's like the modern version of dating, like how we're supposed to go on dates and get to
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know somebody, but no one's going on, really, dates anymore.
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They just start hooking up, so just imagine how adults would say, like, oh, we started
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Allie, were you okay with that in the beginning, or was it a struggle?
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In the beginning, it was okay, but we were, or we both talked to each other about it, and
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we were, like, exclusive with each other for a couple months, so, before we started dating.
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How soon did you know that you wanted to, like, date him exclusively?
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Um, I would say probably, like, the second month in.
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Would you say it took him a little bit longer to come to the same conclusion?
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Um, I would say it was pretty mutual, but just, again, with the timing, it, I don't know, honestly.
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It just ended up working out, so, and I'm very happy, so.
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Oh, sorry, one thing, can I have you scoot your microphone closer to, uh, yeah, scoot it this
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I'm still very taken, um, and my longest relationship has been 10 months.
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Are you still very much going to marry your current boyfriend?
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Um, and the longest relationship I was in was about four-ish years.
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He's definitely watching this, too, so we're going to be nice and say situationship, but I
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Let's say we met, things were great, um, and then I just didn't see it going in the direction
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that I wanted it to, so I ended things, and then I was at my friend's wedding, and
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And just texting him, and then we hung out a few times, no hooking up, just truly hanging
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out, and things are going well now, so we're going to see, but I also don't believe
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in being exclusive unless you're actually dating.
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I'm very for monogamy, but I think it's like a modern day thing, like, we're exclusive,
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but we're not dating, like, that's just such a scam for people who don't want to actually
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Wait, but I thought you said you don't believe in being exclusive unless you're dating.
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Yeah, like, people will be exclusive, talking to each other, they're not going to hook up
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with other people, but it's like, that's not my boyfriend, that's not my girlfriend, I think
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But so what you're saying is when you are in the talking stage, or you're in a situationship,
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you're not exclusive with the person you're in a talking stage with?
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Until you're officially dating, I would say, like, you're allowed to go on other dates,
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I don't think you should have sex with other people, depending on how serious a relationship
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is, but going on other dates, yeah, don't, if you're not dating somebody, if you don't
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have a boyfriend, nothing should stop you from finding that person.
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Wait, do you think that you should be able to have sex with other people when you're
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No, of course not, I'm very big fan of monogamy, but I also think the talking stage,
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different than the one year, I think that would be a situationship, I think the talking
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stage is, like, the first three months, and those few months, it's kind of natural,
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if you don't want to go on other dates with other people, you're kind of seeing where
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it goes, but then once that time is up, if that just continues, nine months of being
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in the talking stage, you don't deserve to be exclusive with that person, either commit
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or go find somebody else that you actually want to commit to.
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Dude, who stays in the talking stage for nine months?
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If you are with the one, you won't want to date anybody else, you won't be like, I need
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to keep my options open, you're going to immediately want to commit to them.
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I used to think the same way until I met my boyfriend, now I understand.
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I think Kiko's right, but the problem with dating these days is that men don't want to
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give away that commitment too quickly because they're afraid that the woman is going to get
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So when a man finds someone that, a girl that he really likes and really wants to pursue,
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I think a lot of guys know not to show like, that they're really, really into her right
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So that's how these, you get stuck in this limbo on both sides.
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I kind of get your point definitely with that, yeah.
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I think that could be like just a modern day thing that people are very scared of like
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That's why there's talking stages, all these things we don't actually have to commit.
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But if you compare one year situationship to people who have been dating for five months,
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So I think that's just a product of our times that people are just scared of the real
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Exclusivity and marriage, you know, you run the risk of ending up with the wrong person
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But also at the same time, I don't know, like I'm the kind of guy, like if I really
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like a girl and I know I could see myself spending the rest of my life with her, I know
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My friends, they have a saying, especially when it comes to like relationships or like
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They say if it's not a fuck yes, then it's a no.
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Especially when it comes to like marriage or like ending up with somebody long term.
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Like if it's like a maybe and you're like iffy about it, like it should be something
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I'm like, if I'm not obsessed with this when I try it on, I'm never going to wear it at
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I have that mindset with men, but not clothes yet.
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Yo, Flann Life, thanks for the big 20 gifted memberships, man.
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Current relationship status, longest relationship.
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I'm recently single, and my longest relationship was about three and a half years.
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Longest relationship was like a year and a half.
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And do you want to, for the new viewers who are tuning in, why don't you tell us a little
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No, in terms of the commitment that you've made, that you're waiting for something.
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I think if somebody truly loves the Lord, they will naturally be politically conservative.
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You know, traditionally feminine, if a woman loves the Lord and she subscribes to biblical
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values, she will understand that it is the man's job to lead the family, provide for the
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family, and to lead the family under the headship of Christ.
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And it's the woman's job to submit to that man's headship in the family.
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So a woman that's cool with the idea of submission.
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Now, a lot of women have issues with the idea of submission, understandably so.
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What I would be bringing to the table in a scenario like marriage is actually being worthy
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Earning her submission through good leadership.
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But yeah, dude, I'm looking for a wife and I'm not like intensely looking.
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I recently went through an interesting relationship situation and I'm kind of taking a break from
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Like you could call me a born again virgin in the sense that I stopped having sex three
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I mean, last time I was on one day, you called yourself a born again virgin?
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I think I simply said that I started saving myself a few years ago.
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I don't believe in the whole idea of like born again virginity.
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I don't think you can like reclaim your virginity.
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Is it like a complete deal breaker if she's not a virgin?
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But like if she has a high body count, like, you know.
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If Kiko became a born again virgin, do you think that there's a potential match between
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If Kiko and I got married, one of us would not make it out of the marriage alive.
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You've never thrown like an axe at a boyfriend or anything like that?
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If her body counts higher than mine, which is seven, it's a deal breaker.
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Well, technically, because you probably wouldn't count girls for me, right?
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I mean, do you think I was on a date chase anyways?
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Are you bisexual or are you just, was it just, you know?
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Well, my, when I say my, my longest relationship was with a girl.
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When I say the two, when I refer to the two and a half, but that was in high school.
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I have not dated or like been with a girl since high school.
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So I, I, when I call myself bisexual today, I don't know anymore.
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That's why I can realize I probably wouldn't know.
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You were attracted to women when you were younger?
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I find them attractive, but I realized I don't plan.
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Because I, I mean, honestly, if I'm being for real, the main reason was because I'm not
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going to pay to have kids when I know I, I'm fertile myself.
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I rather not have to spend thousands of dollars to have a child and I can sound pussy.
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It's simply easier to live a heteronormative life.
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You mentioned that you, uh, recently came back to the church.
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Uh, with recently coming back to the church, do you feel like that would, uh, sorry, go
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Do you feel like with recently coming back to the church, do you feel like that precludes
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Do you feel like there'd be a contradiction of your faith there?
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No, because honestly, before how I just came back to my, to the church right now, the last
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time that I was in Christianity was with my ex-girlfriend.
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And none of your pastors or priests said anything about your guys' voice?
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They are true Christians that realize we're all sinners and no sin is greater than the
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And they follow the Bible, how the fact that they are not there to judge, we only, until
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My pastor is not the one set out to judge me and my decisions.
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There are so many things in the Bible that is considered a sin.
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You can't just ostracize some people and say those sins are worse than the others.
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But loving thy neighbor does not mean approving of the evils that thy neighbor is doing.
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This is why Jesus, when he would speak to people, he would tell them, go and sin no more.
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He would love them and he would give them mercy.
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Yeah, he would love them and he would give them mercy, but also at the same time, he
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For example, there's the unforgivable sin, which is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
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I don't think, I mean, I know that a church affirming same-sex relationships is not operating
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There's many churches that do and those are the churches I agree with.
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So, Flann life, I forgot to give you the air horn here, but thanks for the 20 gifted men
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Okay, so, first thing, I, oh, I kind of scuffed, well, that's fine.
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The one that sat right there, yeah, that lights can go, ultimate pick-me definition.
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If you look up on Webster, her face will pop up probably.
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I don't intentionally do things that are, like, males are going to love me today.
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Yeah, you got together with your boyfriend before you built this brand that's geared towards
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So we dated a couple years back, and I made a video making fun of his apartment, and it
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And then we broke up because he was moving, and I didn't see myself leaving New Jersey.
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And I continued with social media, and he doesn't have social media, so he didn't know.
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And then when we got back together about a year ago, he found out that I continued doing
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And over the past year, he helped me build the brand, and he is, I always say, the brains
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I definitely write a lot of my own content, but he always...
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I'm inspired by a lot of the things that he says, and a lot of it...
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Now I think I scoot it more towards relationships, and I learned a lot about...
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I was going to ask you what the difference is, but okay.
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Now I give more, like, healthy relationship, because I see it.
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I think a lot of women view that word as an icky term, and once you...
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Um, I've never felt more secure in my life, and...
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You feel like submitting to your boyfriend helps you feel that security?
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I've never been so in touch with my femininity.
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I think when you're on your own, um, it kind of makes you, like, an alpha female sometimes.
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Why do you feel like submission helps you feel more feminine?
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I know that if my finances crashed tomorrow, the house is under control, everything's stable,
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he provides the stability, and I can fall into my feminine side, I...
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I can do more things that I enjoy rather than stress myself out
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and climb the corporate ladder, um, I can make dinner at night and provide the feminine touch
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to the household and focus on being a great mother instead of climbing the corporate ladder.
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What do you guys think about the concept of submission?
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Like, how, yes, you can, like, be more intact with your feminine side, but I just appreciate how...
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Even if he doesn't care, my opinion's still asked.
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Like, even if it's his ultimate decision, it's still a conversation is the thing that I like,
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And, like, I believe with certain things, like finances, like, yeah, that might be more on their side,
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but, like, if I'm staying at home with the kids, I might know a little bit better what might be better for them
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when it comes to, like, school time or things like that.
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I feel like I'm very submissive to my boyfriend as well.
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So, okay, you're very submissive to your boyfriend's.
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You guys have been seeing each other for, like, six months, right?
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If I may interject, I think I have a strong personality.
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I just know that off the get-go, but I also really enjoy being feminine and girly
00:29:59.780
And I think a lot of women like myself run into this issue where if a guy is weak,
00:30:06.480
And if you're going to be a weak man, we will dominate you, not intentionally,
00:30:10.140
but in just, like, this man's not doing anything.
00:30:14.760
And that is the worst dynamic for relationships.
00:30:20.900
And I think submission is fun for girls in the sense of, like,
00:30:24.220
I don't love making a bajillion decisions all the time.
00:30:26.400
I want to have somebody that I can trust to lead me with a decision that's going to be
00:30:29.700
the most beneficial for me, for him, for my relationship with God,
00:30:32.540
and my future children and everything of the sort.
00:30:34.760
And then I could just focus on, like, what new recipe do I want to try?
00:30:39.560
Things that are, I think girls care more about those things than guys at large.
00:30:44.140
Do you find it challenging to be submissive towards most guys?
00:30:49.380
But, like, these beta males, like, I would never let you lead me.
00:30:54.260
But when it comes to an alpha male, like, you can smell it on them.
00:30:57.540
And, you know, it's pretty easy to submit to a man who knows how to be, like you were
00:31:03.760
And a lot of these men call for women to submit to them and just listen to them without being
00:31:09.500
And that's a big disconnect, I think, of people not being so icky with the term submissive.
00:31:13.820
Like, if there's a great guy, you'd be happy to have him lead you.
00:31:19.540
That's why, like, people will say when they find out I'm in a relationship, they're like,
00:31:24.580
And I'm like, if you use your brain at all and look at me and the woman I am, you really
00:31:32.860
I think the thing with women who are lean more masculine, no offense.
00:31:40.400
You guys on this podcast would say that, but then to other people, like, what, because I
00:31:47.700
When do you know me outside of a podcast while I'm set up here to debate?
00:31:50.280
Do you want me to sit here quiet and not say anything?
00:31:52.180
It's the point of what I'm on, is to prove my opinion and to speak my voice.
00:31:55.680
Do you think this is how my conversations are with my boyfriend?
00:31:58.840
Yeah, I mean, and I've said as much in previous appearances that obviously you've been invited
00:32:03.520
onto a podcast where we are engaging in debate, so I suspect that how you or how someone
00:32:09.820
else who's invited on this podcast conducts themselves is going to differ than how they are one-on-one
00:32:18.960
However, I mean, you can get some degree of a read on somebody even in this sort of environment,
00:32:27.440
and I mean, you probably, do you disagree that you're a bit more masculine?
00:32:34.620
Not masculine in appearance, but just your demeanor.
00:32:39.060
But, I mean, I could see that, but outside of this room, no, I don't think anyone would.
00:32:46.960
You don't think anybody would describe you as having masculine energy outside of this room?
00:32:50.100
My actual friends that I speak to, not just on a basis of this, I don't think so.
00:32:58.320
Honestly, I have too much empathy for so many people to really be more masculine or anything,
00:33:07.660
Like, I knock off a lot of the feminine boxes, except for the fact that I can use my own voice.
00:33:15.260
But, like, me and my boyfriend are very differing opinions.
00:33:18.180
Like, you guys would probably agree on most things more than me and him would.
00:33:21.880
But we don't sit up here and argue all day and night about it.
00:33:29.440
Wait, do you get into arguments with your, have you ever had an argument with your boyfriend so far?
00:33:37.400
I think we've made each other mad once, but we've never gotten into an argument.
00:33:40.320
Because this is how I sometimes see this play out is a woman who leans a bit more masculine.
00:33:51.240
But, like, if there's ever a disagreement or a fight, it's going to be a little heated.
00:34:01.980
Christianity, he's more conservative, Christian, you know, value-based than I am.
00:34:08.520
Like, a lot of things I see on this podcast, he'd be like, you're so wrong when you said that.
00:34:14.220
But, like, we agree to disagree and we know how to respect each other's opinions.
00:34:17.140
And I'm not going to just sit there and force him to agree with me on something.
00:34:27.200
I mean, maybe a little bit left more liberal-leaning, but, I mean, I'm pro-Second Amendment.
00:34:34.220
Yeah, like, I'm not saying, I think there needs to be more regulations on what's going on.
00:34:42.800
I have liberal, you know, I have liberal opinions, I have conservative opinions, because in my
00:34:48.780
opinion, based off of what I've read off the Bible, some things are more conservative and
00:34:52.700
some things technically would be a little bit more liberal-leaning.
00:34:55.280
So, that's what I'm trying to learn more off and base more of my opinions off of.
00:34:59.840
I feel like the word masculine is being used in place of the word, like, risque or aggressive,
00:35:06.900
Like, people have just sometimes more aggressive personalities.
00:35:13.720
So, I feel like that is a better way to describe what they're trying to say than necessarily
00:35:17.400
masculine, because, well, I do believe, like, everyone can lean into, like, their more feminine
00:35:26.300
But I truly don't believe that, like, a woman could ever embody the masculine side, no matter
00:35:32.160
And that's why I'm very much against those ideas that, like, men and women can change themselves,
00:35:36.060
because I think it's innate, and even the most, whatever, any girl that wants to be super,
00:35:41.880
try to be masculine or whatever, they're still a girl.
00:35:44.200
They're still gonna not equal to a man in that sense of personality.
00:35:47.840
Like, I might come off of super, like, my biggest problem, my last job as being a manager
00:35:52.580
I wouldn't, I would let people walk all over me.
00:35:54.680
I wasn't putting my foot down with a lot of things.
00:35:58.180
And if I was, if I had a masculine side to me, I don't think I would have had that problem.
00:36:11.200
If I'm being honest, like, a pick-me is, I mean, nine times out of ten a girl.
00:36:24.740
It comes down to, like, the beta, or, like, the guys who don't have, like, that, you know...
00:36:39.080
It's like the guys who normally don't have, like, you know, that energy.
00:36:44.660
You know, that are the pick-me's, and we've seen it.
00:36:47.420
I think a lot of nice guys are pick-me's, because they need a lot of validation.
00:36:54.740
I feel like a male pick-me would make a video that's, like, when she's on her period,
00:36:58.340
and I just want to bring her chocolate and massage her feet.
00:37:04.980
I feel like all the dudes that, like, aggressively support, like, abortion and, like, feminism,
00:37:12.620
All I see with that is, like, I want to have sex with a girl and not be responsible at all.
00:37:17.080
And I'm very pro-life, and I think a huge part is holding men and women accountable
00:37:20.740
for their decisions to bring a life into this world.
00:37:22.780
So we're going to just let the guy get off the hook so easily?
00:37:27.100
What do you mean by let a guy get off the hook?
00:37:29.120
Like, these guys that are advocating for abortion, I think abortion only benefits men in the sense
00:37:33.060
of that a man can have, if abortion's totally legal in a state, I don't think a man is going
00:37:37.480
to take as many precautions to protect himself from creating a life.
00:37:40.580
I think it incentivizes people to use abortion as a form of birth control rather than take the
00:37:46.220
And I just don't see how men, how anything, why would a man support abortion?
00:37:50.760
The only two kinds of guys that I've ever seen support abortion are the ultra simps that
00:37:56.360
are like, yeah, I support feminism, like Biden, all that kind of stuff.
00:37:59.920
The ultra simps and the dudes that are running through chicks, and they want that, like, escape
00:38:06.500
But I just, when you speak like that, it makes it seem like, obviously, yes, abortion
00:38:12.360
is, I guess, a form of birth control in the end, but it's not.
00:38:15.600
It's not like, oh, either I can get this IUD or just keep getting abortions.
00:38:20.120
Like, obviously, you've probably never had to have an abortion, right, since you're pro-life.
00:38:22.980
An abortion is not just a simple, let me just walk in and, oh, baby gone.
00:38:30.600
But I'm not saying there's not women who have had multiple or things like that, and there
00:38:33.060
is definitely women out there using this birth control.
00:38:38.720
Don't just make it seem like, yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, I can just get an abortion if I
00:38:45.060
Like, maybe there's a few, you know, small percent of women out there like that, but most of the
00:38:49.520
time, a lot of women I know who've had abortions were, honestly, a lot of them kind of sometimes
00:38:56.500
They're like, oh, pull out method, blah, blah, blah, bullshit.
00:39:13.900
No, because I don't think there was a conception.
00:39:16.640
I think it's usually when the sperm touches the egg.
00:39:27.960
Because there would be nothing to kill if it didn't fertilize it.
00:39:33.560
In order for conception to occur, the sperm has to get...
00:39:37.960
In order for there to be a conception, the sperm must swim and make contact with the egg.
00:39:44.320
If you take plan B, the sperm has not yet hit the egg.
00:39:55.680
You can take it for up to 72, but I don't know.
00:39:57.460
You can take it for up to 72, but if you took it 72 hours later, there's a likely chance
00:40:02.320
that the sperm has already reached the egg within 72 hours, I believe.
00:40:08.180
I think Kendall Jenner taught me this on the Kardashians, that sperm can live in your body
00:40:18.660
It's five days, and the 72 hours is actually just the 96% effectiveness.
00:40:24.320
So that's why they want you to take it within 72 hours, but you can take it within seven
00:40:27.700
days, but the efficacy goes down significantly because conception has occurred at that point.
00:40:34.920
So a lot of women, when they take plan B, they like shed their...
00:40:39.200
You know, it forcefully sheds your uterine lining so that you're aborting whatever conception
00:40:45.200
occurred, and a lot of women report the fact that they have like clumpy periods, and they
00:40:54.320
So there's a possibility that the sperm did reach the egg.
00:40:57.840
I know, I know in your career and stuff, but I know people who literally used to pop...
00:41:04.840
I've never had a single friend say they bled after...
00:41:10.760
You've never had a single friend say that they bled after plan B?
00:41:19.760
I've never bled once from it, and I never had a worse period after.
00:41:22.820
I was going to say, everyone, I haven't heard the bleeding because I don't know that many
00:41:25.940
people that take plan B, but in college, I know that people have horrific periods following
00:41:31.500
plan B, and you can only take it like three times a year or something like that.
00:41:41.120
I'm sure it can affect fertility or something of the sort.
00:41:44.280
You're honestly not supposed to take it more than like three times in your life.
00:41:49.220
And also, every time people try to get pregnant for a long time, it's not just, oh, you get...
00:41:56.140
A lot of the time, the plan B isn't even preventing anything from happening.
00:42:00.840
A lot of the time, you weren't even going to get pregnant.
00:42:03.680
And that's because of the cycle, the menstrual cycle, right?
00:42:06.360
You can only get pregnant when you're ovulating.
00:42:12.500
The stories that I've heard about are when women take it and during ovulation, and there was conception,
00:42:17.480
like there was actual fertilization occurred, and they took it, and then it either caused
00:42:23.080
them to have an irregular period or it caused them to bleed out something that was a lot
00:42:30.440
I feel uncomfortable talking about this because I've never had a period, but just from what
00:42:34.280
As far as the plan B thing understood, I would have to look into it further.
00:42:38.340
It's plausible that it could be an abortion if conception occurred.
00:42:43.760
However, for example, you can have sex, and then five minutes after you have sex, take
00:42:51.540
Conception has not occurred five minutes after you've had sex with somebody.
00:42:56.960
So that would not be an abortion, but it's plausible it could be an abortion.
00:43:02.360
If you took plan B five minutes after you had sex with somebody, is there a chance that
00:43:14.920
That's why it's plan B, and you can only take it within a certain date, because it's
00:43:19.220
If you take it after that time frame, you're not going to just take it, and now you're going
00:43:24.140
So one of my friends recently told me a story that his buddy got his girlfriend pregnant,
00:43:30.320
and several weeks after the fact, he mixed a bunch of plan B into her pancakes, and she...
00:43:39.320
Okay, I said taking a plan B versus mixing a bunch of plan B's together.
00:43:42.720
I'm sure you could feed a woman a lot of things that would give her a miscarriage.
00:43:45.900
Obviously, they're different things, but I'm saying it can still be effective.
00:43:48.420
I know, but there's a lot of things that you could even...
00:43:55.980
You could drink a bunch of vitamin C and force yourself on abortion, but it's not because
00:44:01.540
Wait, you can get an abortion from a bunch of vitamin C?
00:44:07.280
I think I learned that from an American horror story.
00:44:10.180
Who was the first person to figure out that you could take a bunch of vitamin C to get
00:44:13.780
Honestly, it was probably on accident, which is very, very sad.
00:44:24.380
I was saying probably somebody was obsessed with orange juice or something and accidentally
00:44:51.420
By the way, guys, get your super chats in, 100 and up for the super chats, 200 and up
00:45:01.380
You have to be very careful as it can go horribly wrong.
00:45:10.940
My girlfriend has bleed before by taking Ella and her period was awful and messes with
00:45:29.200
It's just like basically a higher dose of birth control.
00:45:33.640
I feel like it's a cortisone shot versus like an Advil.
00:45:39.200
Progesterone stops you from getting pregnant because it keeps your hormone levels so high
00:45:43.300
that you don't ovulate and you don't drop an egg.
00:45:52.880
Did you guys have a sense of what a pick me is?
00:45:57.400
I don't even think it's like if you could say a girl is a pick me, I think a girl can
00:46:23.440
Kiko, I may disagree with you 99% of the time, but respect.
00:46:27.060
Ladies, what turns you off on for men physically?
00:46:30.040
Before we read that, did you want to weigh in on what a pick me is?
00:46:33.880
I would just say it's a girl who seeks a lot of attention from men and goes out of their
00:46:43.280
I think it can be with a woman in another group of large women where they're just trying
00:46:50.800
to be the center of attention for a male to notice.
00:46:58.820
I'm going to clarify this for all the boys out there.
00:47:02.840
A woman who is a pick me is a woman who will intentionally espouse values that she thinks
00:47:10.740
So you've got this phenomenon with all the chicks that claim to be trad, but they're still
00:47:15.460
getting their backs blown out by chads when they go to parties, right?
00:47:18.340
Like these are women who claim to embody certain values just so that they can get your attention,
00:47:28.940
That's why I call Taya pick me because like what from them speaking so far, I could tell
00:47:34.000
This is what they believe and what they stand for.
00:47:37.120
But with her, it was, you could just see right through her act, especially just when you
00:47:42.540
Like that's a true masculine woman right there.
00:47:44.440
And everything that she was saying was about how you need to be submissive and this, that,
00:47:48.420
And I'm like, you're literally a contradiction of your whole thing.
00:47:51.800
So I don't know if it's for views or what she's trying to do, but she's-
00:48:02.120
It's like a facade that she thinks that's what's going to get her like an Andrew Tate or something.
00:48:06.900
She has to shit on herself and her own appearance in order to, you know, make men like her.
00:48:14.160
Tay, I don't know if she's a pick me, but she's definitely pretty masculine.
00:48:18.880
She's very masculine and she tries to act like she doesn't care about certain things
00:48:23.260
Not when you're sitting here doing your sorority pose and all that.
00:48:41.160
Obviously, tattoos are so ugly and this and that when she has face tattoos.
00:49:07.900
Tay, if you're watching this, I really don't like you.
00:49:11.140
Well, I used to get all the pick me comments back in the day.
00:49:13.920
And I think that I was never fond of it just because like I'd post conservative content,
00:49:18.980
And at that point, it's kind of like, I really don't think this word is so useful in this
00:49:23.100
day, but like misogynistic in a way where they're like, you don't actually believe
00:49:26.620
You only believe it because a man told you to believe it.
00:49:33.340
But that one example that you just gave was really accurate.
00:49:39.920
And when your friend is like glammed out next to you, they're like, wow, I wish I had as
00:49:43.460
much care for my looks as you do in front of other guys.
00:49:46.420
Like just saying things to try and be like a guy's guy when they're just a nobody's person.
00:49:50.280
That's exactly what she was trying to do the whole time.
00:49:51.800
Like the guy's like, I drink beer, eat wings and watch sports.
00:49:55.900
Like that's the whole facade that she was trying to put on.
00:50:01.340
And then when I went to her Instagram, her whole entire Instagram was just her shit.
00:50:05.960
So we should, we should, we should, we have Prometheus.
00:50:10.440
Prometheus Venom says, it can cause some miscommunication, Chase.
00:50:14.500
Well, it's good to give a heads up for the other boys about the problems that can come with
00:50:20.740
Always make sure that you're vetting a woman effectively.
00:50:24.620
Also, Justin Reyes, bro, I will not calm down on the religion.
00:50:32.940
He said, ladies, what turns you off on from men physically?
00:50:42.300
So yeah, ladies, what turns you off on from men?
00:51:03.360
I mean, if I look at you, you look like you can't protect me, then I'm good.
00:51:09.260
I would have to say like a really bad turn off is a guy who's rude.
00:51:17.040
I mean, I know I don't have one, but I love a good jawline.
00:51:48.500
Have you encountered a guy in your escapades that just.
00:51:52.020
I mean, like I've been out and like I was thinking a guy is cute.
00:51:55.720
And then like the second they walk by me and you smell like ass.
00:52:05.380
I don't know if I can think of like a physical turn off.
00:52:17.920
I would say as long as they're like one inch taller than me.
00:52:57.460
So like, it's not selfish for me to be like, come on, six feet or greater.
00:53:01.020
And whenever my friends try setting me up with people, it's like, does his number start
00:53:20.460
I would say I'm typically attracted to men with like darker hair.
00:53:34.920
Um, turn off if I don't would, I don't know about physically, but if you're like overly
00:53:46.860
I was saying like, that's not physical, but that'd be a turn off for me.
00:54:08.500
But for physically, for example, what about a guy who has a face tattoo?
00:55:05.220
Or like he's in the gym deadlifting like 600 pounds?
00:55:28.180
Biggest turn on would probably be big, but in the sense of like bulky types of guys.
00:55:33.380
Like I think the dad bod is pretty favorable too.
00:55:35.780
Like I don't need a guy who's pure raw muscle, but someone who makes me feel like small.
00:55:40.660
So like someone who makes me fall small and little and safe.
00:55:44.020
Biggest turn off, somebody who doesn't work out.
00:55:46.640
And it doesn't even have to be that they're obese, but just somebody who clearly doesn't
00:55:50.240
go to the gym or have health, like live a healthy lifestyle.
00:55:54.660
It's very important to me to live an active lifestyle.
00:55:56.820
And being with somebody who just doesn't care for that, it's so gross to me in every sense.
00:56:23.280
And can do like, if you're a gymnast, my DMs are open.
00:56:34.440
Because I feel like a lot of tattoos are masculine on women.
00:56:38.100
And I kind of feel like this is going to be a hated opinion, but that it's kind of a way
00:56:43.220
to embrace their masculinity by getting like those masculine tattoos.
00:57:02.860
Wait, so you're the of the five here who has tattoos?
00:57:07.960
I have one that's the size of a quarter on my ankle.
00:57:12.900
No offense to Kiko, but it's more like when they have like a sleeve or something like
00:57:22.920
And I think that the tattoos, I think that the tattoos like more on that are kind of
00:57:30.640
He said that he thinks tattoos are a turn off physically.
00:57:47.880
If a chick has like a big snake tattoo, it's a no from me, dog.
00:58:18.140
But, like, if it's like a heart somewhere, like, that's not a huge thing.
00:58:26.260
Like, the more, the more covered up she is, then it's a little bit more of a thing.
00:58:33.020
Whereas if it's like one or two here and there, it's not, it's not as huge of a deal, you know?
00:58:38.460
I like like the new, well, I really, I really am not a big fan of tattoos.
00:58:41.820
But if girls are going to get tattoos, I like the fine lines, like, and they're elegant and beautiful and they pour into your femininity.
00:58:49.140
I'm talking more so of, like, just getting blasted and having, like, a full sleeve of, like, that I would expect on, like, a Marine, you know?
00:58:56.700
Hey, Kiko, can we see your neck tattoo since we're on the topic?
00:59:01.920
Oh, you guys call this neck tattoos behind the ears.
00:59:07.900
Now, I'm probably going to get a lot of my tattoo.
00:59:17.240
I'm a trigender, non-binary, non-conforming, Therian, trans man with a three-inch micro.
00:59:28.180
Why do you know how tall a labradoodle is standing?
00:59:39.980
Since y'all didn't answer fast enough, let me just reiterate.
00:59:54.780
The need to give yourselves that many labels is a cry for help.
01:00:05.260
There's 99 genders, so whichever one they're feeling.
01:00:18.280
And thank you for all your support on the previous show.
01:00:20.240
So, Chase, before I have you go, let's finish the previous super chat.
01:00:24.560
Sam, so you said you're turned off his tattoos.
01:00:29.860
I love to see a girl that takes care of herself and is fit because it's just super hot.
01:00:38.640
And you know that being strong and fit is going to be good for your health and for your mental health.
01:00:44.840
And it's going to be good for your womb when you carry my babies.
01:01:07.560
You've got, like, the slim rib cage that a lot of girls want, right?
01:01:11.220
And I just think, in general, like, if a girl is fit.
01:01:13.960
Yeah, I work out, like, five, six times a week with my boyfriend.
01:01:17.820
It just, I struggle on the end if I try to gain weight.
01:01:20.960
I'm on a weight gain journey, but it's really hard for me.
01:01:36.940
Like, I've got a thing for, like, Olympic sprinters.
01:02:06.880
Yo, Flan Life, thank you for the big 50 gifted memberships, dude.
01:02:11.500
That triggers a fit check, but we'll finish off on the super chat, then we'll do the fit
01:02:24.120
Eve's been killing it with the super chat the last few episodes.
01:02:33.200
If a chick can, like, if she looks like she can move well and she can keep up, like, on an adventure,
01:02:37.200
she's got, like, tight core, strong legs, good butt.
01:02:51.580
For me, when I see a fit man, it's more just, like, they care about their health, not really
01:02:57.000
There's that, too, but, like, there's, like, there's a level of fitness where a woman's
01:03:00.540
also taking care of, like, her nutrition, where you can tell she's both fit and fertile,
01:03:07.840
It's especially true for women, because when you get pregnant, like, you're going to have
01:03:13.660
to lose a lot of that weight, right, once you go back down.
01:03:25.300
One of the things, one of the trends that I really don't like that chicks are doing,
01:03:35.340
When they're in a bikini, you can see, like, right there.
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The sternum tattoo is the tramp stamp of our generation.
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Ladies, ladies, don't get tramp stamps, please, or sternum tattoos.
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Okay, to be fair, this is my first tattoo ever, so.
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Yeah, the, the, the snake tattoos are also, I just, I hate the snake tattoos.
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I literally, when anyone asks me, I literally walk away, usually.
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I would be like, like, oh, what did your tattoos mean?
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Yeah, I'm getting my whole sleeve, hopefully, lasered off by the end of this year.
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If I go through this one company, LaserAway, that I wanted to, it should cost me about like
01:05:14.540
I can only marry within the religion, but yeah, I haven't had a serious relationship
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What if you met a guy who you really liked who wasn't Jewish?
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If he was willing to raise the kids Jewish, then absolutely.
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My mom was not so religious when they met my dad, and he like met her halfway, and they
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worked on it together through like spirituality, learning, and finally got her.
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Judaism's a very big practice-based religion, so it's not just like, what do you
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But I know the type of household that I want to have.
01:05:41.400
I know the values I want to instill in my children, and I'm not willing to compromise
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So if he's willing to compromise, for sure, but I know that I won't.
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Would you respect a guy that's willing to compromise on his values to raise your Jewish
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There's a lot of guys that I've met who are newly Christian, recently baptized, recently
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just got into it, spent most of their life either just wishy-washy, never had such a strong
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faith background, or they were atheist or agnostic, and then changed their mind.
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I think those I would be able to respect, because I'm like, oh, you were just shopping
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around for religion until you landed on this one, but somebody who was a devout Christian
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for like 23 years of their life, and then meets me, and they're like, yeah, I'd convert
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So, like, they have to actually really want to be a Jew.
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I would say any plastic surgery or excessive vanity in terms of makeup.
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So, well, first off, you guys have been invited to appear on camera, so I recognize
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that there's a difference when it comes to the stage and, like, versus a girl I would
01:07:20.560
But, for example, if some of you were, like, yeah, you wear too much makeup.
01:07:29.120
Well, the purpose of doing that for the lighting, also, because, like, the camera washes it
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Again, you're here on a show, but, like, in a different context.
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We're all wearing about the same amount of makeup.
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I think I just have really clear skin under, so you can't tell.
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Are you wearing anything on your cheeks or just eyeliner?
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It's like, you guys don't understand what it even looks like.
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You'll be like, wow, she's not wearing any makeup.
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That one girl who comes on here and is like, I don't believe in makeup.
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Whoever releases the most makeup is like, bitch for the night.
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Who are you dating that sleeps in their makeup?
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Let's say a girl comes over to your place and, you know, you're in the bedroom.
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But I would say anything more than a bit of either eyeliner or mascara is a bit of a letdown.
01:09:22.500
You know, and I'm telling you right now, it looks...
01:09:24.680
No offense to you guys if that's what you guys do in your day-to-day.
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Especially if you're wearing eyeliner and nothing else on your face, it looks hideous.
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Just like how I want to put concealer on for the cameras, so I have to put a little bit
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You just have to keep doing those things or you're going to look insane.
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I do want to say that I feel like I don't wear makeup on a daily basis.
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Not because I'm like, I don't love it just because I do a lot of things throughout the day
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and especially with working out, I don't want to get it...
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Yeah, I'm just going to sweat it off, so I have really good skincare, really good moisturizer,
01:10:02.080
but I do find that when I'm in a relationship with a guy, I don't touch makeup unless we're
01:10:06.460
going somewhere fancy, but I think that's more of just like, I know that I'm good no matter
01:10:13.660
I'll put makeup on just for myself on Friday nights to have fun, try new makeup looks, but
01:10:17.760
at the same time, I definitely feel that like, well, who doesn't want to present the
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best version of themselves when they're trying to attract a mate or a lover?
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Well, you mean a fantasy version of yourself, but sure.
01:10:30.060
There's makeup where like, you completely change what you look like.
01:10:33.160
Sure, there's degrees to it, but at the end of the day, it's all a lie.
01:10:35.820
Well, there's makeup that just enhances some of your face a little bit, like putting a
01:10:38.760
little concealer over a pimple that you have isn't necessarily a lie, but then there's
01:10:42.520
people who like contour their nose so intensely, put such big eyelashes, put overlying their
01:10:49.040
When I take my makeup off, I still look like the same person.
01:10:51.320
Look, at the end of the day, it's not, I don't care that much, but so, okay,
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for me, in terms of something that's a physical turnoff, makeup, excessive makeup, anything
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where if we were to kiss, if it were to rub off on me, don't like it, don't like it.
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But in addition to that, I also mentioned plastic surgery.
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I mean, people tell me all the time, oh, you have fillers, you have this.
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So you have, you know, you know what I don't like are the, like, tattoo on lipstick.
01:11:40.840
But yeah, when it comes to, here's the thing with like the plastic surgery stuff.
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Even if a girl had, for example, no boobs, like flat, whatever, I would prefer her as
01:12:04.220
We love supporting people in their original bodies.
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A pick me, a pick me, you would say, I would appreciate her.
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Girls feel so pressured to get this stuff done just to fit in with the rest.
01:12:15.100
And it's nice to hear guys still appreciating all the intensity.
01:12:17.540
I would say, I would say too, I agree with Brian's take and I would actively discourage,
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personally, I would actively discourage women from getting implants, especially because
01:12:28.960
There's a lot of immune issues, hormonal issues, cancer down the line.
01:12:31.960
Yeah, my boyfriend, that's like the one procedure I want.
01:12:36.120
My boyfriend should have said, like, I would leave you.
01:12:46.080
Would prefer a girl who, if she, let's say she had fake boobs, I don't care if they were,
01:12:52.040
one was bigger than the other and there's some sort of deformity or some shit.
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I'm going to be honest, I have nothing to lie about here.
01:13:03.600
I would prefer a girl totally flat than with fake tits.
01:13:07.940
If she had no butt, I would prefer it than a BBL.
01:13:18.320
It's just like, I've seen it and it just looks like dehydrated.
01:13:23.360
Because it doesn't match the rest of their body too.
01:13:26.500
I would prefer a girl who has a little belly over like flat lipo belly.
01:13:36.900
Like a man wants a real woman more than a fake version of her.
01:13:40.340
Like a real man should choose a woman over this thing.
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And I think if more men preach that message, women would be less likely to go under the knife
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Do you think it's driven by assumed male interest or do you think it's driven by female competition?
01:14:00.080
My question is how many women who are getting plastic surgery are...
01:14:03.080
Like in LA, for example, so many chicks plastic surgeried out.
01:14:06.900
How many of them are doing it because they see so many other chicks doing it
01:14:13.140
They're doing it because they have to compete for the male's attention.
01:14:18.320
Everyone's just trying to get the best man they can get.
01:14:20.960
But what I'm asking is do you think they're getting it because they heard from men that men like it
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or because they're seeing so many other chicks do it?
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I don't think men know what they actually like.
01:14:37.680
If you ask most men, most of them would say, I would prefer a girl without plastic surgery.
01:14:46.520
But then when it's portrayed on social media, it'll be like, oh, I fucking love Kylie Jenner.
01:14:56.580
She's had almost probably every procedure you could think of besides a whole BBL.
01:15:10.220
Kylie's had multiple BBLs, revisions, all this stuff.
01:15:12.740
But Kendall, you might look at Kendall and be like, oh, she's a model.
01:15:22.480
There's nothing about any of them that's natural.
01:15:32.980
It's such a bad thing for our culture too because like Elon Musk, when he was on Joe Rogan,
01:15:36.980
he made the point that like social media is geared for like, he called it limbic resonance,
01:15:41.260
You open your feed and you see an attractive member of the opposite sex and like that's
01:15:47.620
And it's like shifting our culture's preferences and like what a lot of people I feel like are
01:15:52.900
looking for and what they think is attractive and it's pushing it in a direction that's really
01:15:56.860
not resonating with like the majority of people, I feel like.
01:16:00.500
It's like artificially inflating things that people don't actually like because, you know, dudes,
01:16:05.280
for example, they're seeing like the big butts that are fake and stuff like that and
01:16:11.140
It's just like how the heart of America will portray things to make us worse.
01:16:36.000
Speaking of plastic surgery, as far as my turn-ons physically, I'll give two.
01:16:45.920
So like if her height doesn't start with four...
01:16:51.140
I'll date women taller than me, but I do have a slight preference for women who are shorter.
01:17:05.520
I would say you have a slight preference for women who are shorter.
01:17:12.960
In the same way that there are women who it's like, I will not date a short guy.
01:17:25.880
But I do have a slight leaning towards like 4'10".
01:17:31.160
Doug, you see short chicks and you're like, yo.
01:17:41.000
However, Brian sees a 4'11 girl and he's like, yo, am I in love right now?
01:17:51.240
The second one, Chase, I saw you grabbing your mic, so I thought you were going to...
01:18:30.320
I'd like you to apologize to all the women out there who have...
01:18:36.360
You're going to jail with pancake plan B, dude.
01:18:39.940
But women get plastic surgery called labiaplasty to remove the lips.
01:18:48.460
And it's a tragedy that women feel compelled to undergo a dangerous and unnecessary operation.
01:19:07.000
And I don't like your characterization of the...
01:19:25.340
Labioplasty are not usually for appearance reasons.
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I haven't been able to figure out if it's a bit yet.
01:19:28.980
Labiaplasty are primarily done for cosmetic reasons.
01:19:35.400
I've only heard of people, the people I've seen who've done that were usually because
01:19:41.020
However, most women do it for cosmetic reasons because women are shamed for it.
01:19:50.000
I've never had a friend be like, he took down my pants and said my labia was too big.
01:20:14.780
So if you are waiting until marriage, is she just busting it open for you so you can make
01:20:22.060
Are you going to watch her like when she puts her tamp on her?
01:20:29.700
If it's full-blown beef curtains like you're describing.
01:20:36.720
What is everyone's take on the fat acceptance movement?
01:20:39.980
We still need to do a fit check, by the way, for plan life.
01:20:43.880
I think the fat acceptance movement is terrible.
01:20:50.000
Okay, so like, I am all for people being healthy, all about themselves.
01:20:56.260
Like I said, like, I don't know how to say this, but like, basically, like, I get a lot
01:21:03.640
Like, people are like, oh, you shouldn't wear that.
01:21:07.860
For me, like, I don't wear this shit to, like, be, get it for attention.
01:21:13.280
I do this because this is what makes me feel beautiful.
01:21:18.600
Yeah, maybe I'm not supposed to wear this, but guess what I do for me?
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Like, I don't give a fuck if, like, my fucking background is coming out.
01:21:31.900
Yeah, maybe there's some things, like, of course, must cover up, like, my nipples and
01:21:40.680
Okay, like, I'm a fucking plus-sized, I'm literally, I'm a fucking plus-sized trans woman
01:22:01.540
And like I said, like, there's a lot of shit, especially, like, with...
01:22:05.340
We already get a lot of shit within our own sisterhood of trans, of trans girls.
01:22:08.440
A lot of the trans girls are, like, all about the whole Kylie, BBL, whatever.
01:22:12.940
That's what I was going to bring up, too, when you guys are talking about plastic surgery.
01:22:16.660
Like I said, I could, like, probably do different perspectives than you guys, because you guys
01:22:25.940
But a lot of trans girls do the classic surgery stuff just to necessarily fit in.
01:22:31.520
And that's something that, like, me as myself, like, yeah, eventually right now,
01:22:36.300
I'm working on my own pace, like, of getting healthy, maybe getting a little thinner,
01:22:41.320
But a lot of the girls, especially the dolls, like, that's what trans girls refer to themselves
01:22:49.040
They kind of do the most outrageous things to fit into the category of let's have the
01:22:55.120
BBL, let's have the fake titties, let's do the brow shave, let's do all kinds of things.
01:23:00.660
And nine times out of ten, I don't even feel like, you know, a lot of girls do do it
01:23:04.020
for themselves, but sometimes a lot of girls, a very small percentage, like, they do it
01:23:13.300
But like I said, a lot of the girls, especially, like, how do I say this?
01:23:19.240
A lot of the dolls do this for, like, themselves, obviously because they want to do it for
01:23:22.640
themselves, but there's still that very small percentage of girls who do it for boys.
01:23:27.240
And, like, I just wish that that small percentage of girls be like, nah, like, you're a baddie already.
01:23:30.480
If you want to go ahead and do something for yourself, BBL, titties, whatever, I'm all
01:23:34.540
for it, but don't do it out of the validation for, like, a man.
01:23:40.780
Or just to fit into what you think that that's what a woman should be like.
01:23:43.480
Bro, you should be smashing the haram button at the suggestion of these BBLs and fake
01:24:04.900
Like, do it because it's like, I want to walk around with a fat ass every day and I love
01:24:09.980
Who gets big cosmetic surgeries just for themselves, though?
01:24:14.240
I feel like everybody's doing it for, like, the acceptance of the opposite sex.
01:24:16.420
The only thing that would be for yourself is a breast reduction.
01:24:19.500
Sorry, the only thing that would be for yourself is a breast reduction.
01:24:25.300
There are, I mean, plastic surgery originated to fix things like World War I, soldiers from
01:24:34.200
World War I who got, like, their face deformed.
01:24:37.620
And then, like, for example, women who have or had breast cancer and they had a breast removed,
01:24:44.220
they might get, you know, implants to kind of balance it out where there's, like, an actual
01:24:53.020
Yeah, but my point is people augmenting their bodies.
01:24:59.020
Yeah, for cosmetic purposes, oftentimes it's to appear more attractive to the opposite sex.
01:25:03.940
But then there's, like, those people who it's to appear better to the opposite sex.
01:25:07.380
But then we all know there's a lot of people who have plastic surgery who look fucking terrible.
01:25:15.100
Yeah, but most of those people, they're really doing it for themselves.
01:25:18.400
They don't care about what other people think because 90% of the people around them are
01:25:23.000
And they still continue to get more and more surgeries.
01:25:30.360
It might have started out, like, you know, another way.
01:25:33.280
But you can't tell me that, like, that cat lying lady isn't doing it for herself.
01:25:41.920
I think that people absolutely do do it for themselves.
01:25:46.640
But it does work hand-in-hand with male validation.
01:25:49.460
Like, you, I feel like a lot of girls, like, look on Instagram and see a picture of Kylie Jenner.
01:25:59.840
I want to have a big butt so I can get more boys' attention.
01:26:03.140
But I feel like that's not their first thought.
01:26:08.940
But they intuitively know, if I get this, I'm going to get more attention from boys.
01:26:12.420
If, like, boys didn't exist, they wouldn't be like, oh, I want a big butt.
01:26:20.480
So I just want to add, you know, a lot of you scoffed when I said I'd like large labia.
01:26:34.660
Okay, so women have preferences when it comes to male genitalia.
01:26:51.640
So we're talking about, like, women augmenting their body for the male gaze or not for themselves.
01:26:58.000
And I want to bring attention to, like, this guy, Dylan Mulvaney.
01:27:08.200
I just wanted to talk about the fact that getting breast implants, getting a BBL, doing all this,
01:27:27.360
A woman is when you are, like, warm and nurturing and when you're an alchemist and you can turn a man's love into a baby.
01:27:34.020
When you can turn a home or a house into a home.
01:27:48.340
If I'm going to direct the conversation to not talk about this right now, we can bring it up later.
01:28:00.340
If you are not going to be, like, a unified front...
01:28:03.500
I think we should come back to it later, though.
01:28:26.280
Everybody, if everyone wants to do a little stand-up, we'll do a little fit check, I guess.
01:29:01.980
To the conservatives on the panel, why aren't you married with kids?
01:29:04.600
I'm suspicious that a lot of trad conservative influencers are just LARPing while living the
01:29:09.900
Would be cool to get Virgin Mary from number 62 back on the show.
01:29:12.840
Hey, John Galt, thank you for the $100 soup chat.
01:29:16.140
Okay, so why aren't you married with kids to the conservatives?
01:29:23.560
I live here in California, and it is a spiritual wasteland out here, my friend.
01:29:28.280
And here in Santa Barbara, in particular, almost every single attractive young woman is fully
01:29:34.140
vaccinated, which is a complete deal breaker for me.
01:29:36.380
And then on top of that, they don't believe in Jesus.
01:29:42.740
And I've known for years that I wanted to find my wife, but it's very difficult to find
01:29:46.840
a solid Christian wife in this area who is unvaccinated.
01:29:55.700
Who you marry is the single most important decision.
01:30:04.880
You got to make sure that they're the kind of person that's going to stick through in
01:30:08.200
thick and thin, you know, and that they're going to be there by your side for the rest
01:30:12.280
And finding people like that, especially in today's day and age, it's difficult.
01:30:15.480
You know, a lot of people our age, they lack virtue, right?
01:30:20.360
And when you find somebody like that, you got to hold on to them.
01:30:23.880
And as far as the shots fired, you know, I feel like these LARPer conservatives are
01:30:34.700
Like, I stopped fornicating years ago because I actually take my walk with Jesus very seriously.
01:30:46.760
Do you guys want to answer why you're not married?
01:30:48.300
Billy and I were actually speaking about this on the drive, not being married on the drive
01:30:51.780
here, but what you were just saying that a lot of people rush in to pick somebody and
01:30:55.380
like who you decide to be the father of your children or the person who creates the children
01:31:00.340
for you will be the single most important decision you make in your entire life.
01:31:04.140
That person, you're going to spend like, what, 50,000 meals with them.
01:31:07.020
I saw something like you eat so many meals with your significant other.
01:31:11.680
But I also would totally not encourage people to just rush in because they want to be in a
01:31:17.780
It is so important to wait until you find that person that is the person that God intended
01:31:23.100
for you because a broken home is the worst thing that you can have for children and just
01:31:31.400
And I also have a large problem with them allowing divorce just because you fell out of
01:31:37.820
And I think that creates so much room for people to just test things out.
01:31:42.700
But like in my eyes, marriage is a union between a man and a woman under God's eyes.
01:31:46.740
And you should take that extremely seriously and don't play games with it.
01:31:52.520
I feel like it just like you when you know, you know, you have to find the right person.
01:31:56.100
That's exactly why you're not like married yet.
01:31:59.160
Like God's going to bring you the right person like at any time in your life.
01:32:04.760
Like when I found my boyfriend, I would say like God brought me him for a reason.
01:32:11.380
Like I wasn't completely ready to have a relationship.
01:32:13.640
In fact, when I met my current boyfriend, I had a different boyfriend at the time.
01:32:21.320
Did you rank up with that boyfriend in favor of this boyfriend?
01:32:28.940
Don't let your boyfriend stop you from meeting your husband.
01:32:49.520
And like there's a lot of people out there who think like, yes, I want to spend the rest
01:32:55.200
But they'll ignore like minor signs that there could be serious red flags.
01:33:01.940
Like it takes time to find the person that you're actually meant to spend the rest of
01:33:06.560
And it's not something that you should just rush into.
01:33:09.140
And again, here in California, it's freaking hard to find girls with really solid values.
01:33:14.380
I have the same struggle finding a conservative there.
01:33:32.400
Love supporting this platform where we can talk these topics.
01:33:36.500
What's everyone's thoughts on a partner who is very much into Second Amendment?
01:33:40.720
Say he, she owns five plus firearms, date or eliminate.
01:33:44.660
By the way, Flan Life, thank you for the big gifted 10 memberships, man.
01:33:52.360
So, yeah, we have, let me pull that back up, though.
01:33:57.180
So, Rippy, so, question is, what's everybody's thoughts on a partner who is into the Second Amendment who owns five plus firearms?
01:34:06.440
Would you guys date them or is that a red flag?
01:34:08.440
I mean, five plus, I would have no problem Second Amendment or owning guns.
01:34:16.200
I just won't, I don't want to date someone who's like, I'm ready for the end of the world to end so I can just, you know, conquer with all my weapons and all that stuff.
01:34:24.260
Like, those people seem like a little bit of extremist to me where I'm like, like, what is, yeah, like, these get five plus, like, you know, I don't know, AR or 15 or whatever they can own legally here.
01:34:33.500
Yeah, like, that's like, okay, but at least like a few handguns and then a couple of bigger ones.
01:34:38.880
But if it seems like an obsession, that worries me because I've seen a correlation between people who are obsessed with guns in that way and multiple red flags as well.
01:34:49.200
I would disagree with that correlation, but I understand your perspective.
01:35:01.020
I mean, I don't think I would care, but if it's like a weird.
01:35:08.380
I was, I was, but then you said, well, then I heard that, so now I'm not.
01:35:13.500
I just think when people, like, make guns, their whole personality is just like a red flag, so I'm just like, whatever, bye.
01:35:19.780
But, I mean, if you have, like, five guns for protection, like.
01:35:25.120
I think five plus is a little excessive, but I'm going to have to agree with what both of you guys said.
01:35:34.960
I don't mind as long as you do the right things with them.
01:35:40.380
The question is, if you're talking to somebody who is into the Second Amendment, they have, like, five plus firearms.
01:35:58.360
I have a quick question for everyone on the panel that just answered.
01:36:01.060
How, as women, when you go out and you're out at night and you're with your girls, right?
01:36:04.780
Like, you feel protected when you're in the group because you're in a group.
01:36:08.900
But, like, what do you actually have to defend yourself?
01:36:13.920
I don't go out without my work security or my boyfriend.
01:36:19.480
I'm never out without, usually, security or my boyfriend.
01:36:25.480
I was going to say, what if in the off chance you just happen to be alone?
01:36:29.200
I always carry my bar key, which has a very pointy end to it.
01:36:34.480
I would just push back because there's a large audience here.
01:36:38.040
I would push back on the idea that it's a red flag if somebody has a lot of firearms.
01:36:41.560
I feel like in, like, liberals' minds, they often correlate that with, like, oh, this person might be, like, potentially mentally unhinged.
01:36:47.420
They're, like, really focused on the concept of violence.
01:36:50.380
Almost all of the gun owners that I know that have a lot of guns are, like, literally, like, the most responsible, squared-away people I have ever met in my life.
01:36:58.020
Who I would trust with a firearm more than, like, almost anybody else I know.
01:37:02.800
Like, they're typically very, very responsible, sober-minded people.
01:37:07.340
There's definitely that side, but I think it's ignorant.
01:37:11.620
I think it's ignorant to ignore the side of America that we've gotten to now, especially since all these mass shootings we've had.
01:37:19.340
So it's changing from that being the majority to people who feel like they need guns to protect themselves who are starting to get a little unhinged because they are so scared of people that they're, like, I need to have my gun and I need to have this.
01:37:31.340
When it's, I do agree that that used to be maybe be the majority, but, like, even since the last Nashville one, we've seen a spike.
01:37:39.840
We've seen people who are buying guns that are not responsible gun owners who now own multiple guns because they're scared of, you know, someone coming in and just starting this thing.
01:37:49.400
All right, we're moving on from this conversation.
01:37:53.240
Do you have, is there, is there an issue with me wanting to move on the conversation?
01:38:00.680
I thought it was interesting because I'm curious if anyone's actually ever, if everyone here is actually fired.
01:38:05.800
Do you have an issue with me moving on the show?
01:38:19.340
Matt Walsh has just been demonetized on YouTube.
01:38:30.680
So, Chase, if I say, hey, we're not talking about that.
01:38:38.140
You listen to what I say, and we're going to move on.
01:38:41.360
Now, unless you're prepared to financially support me, if I say I want to move on, we're moving on.
01:38:49.200
If YouTube didn't have such a hardcore stance on this, we could talk about it.
01:38:54.120
But if I say we're moving on, we have to move on.
01:39:06.920
I just want to say for the record, Brian, the part that I supported of what he was saying was the positive things about femininity and what makes good womanhood.
01:39:15.820
That was the part that I was loving him riffing on.
01:39:19.340
You can agree with him, but you can agree with him, but this is my show.
01:39:24.380
And if I say let's move on and then you start egging him on saying, no, keep going, keep going, he's going to listen to you and he continued talking about it.
01:39:36.240
So I just need to be very careful because Matt Walsh just got canceled talking about this very fucking subject.
01:39:47.920
I apologize for not listening to you immediately, Brian.
01:39:58.480
Like, some of the, you guys are in the chat are also criticizing me.
01:40:07.720
Brian is running a business and he does need to protect it.
01:40:18.060
Depends on where Brian wants to take the conversation.
01:40:19.740
Let's talk about the porn addiction in this country.
01:40:33.060
And if you have an Amazon Prime sub, link it to your Twitch.
01:40:39.200
And you can support the show every month for free.
01:41:30.140
Oh, and then we have ProCanon, thank for the Prime.
01:41:35.020
Just, like, got to be careful on YouTube, you know.
01:41:55.920
Billy Ray, I love your content and love the fact that you've gone full throttle in your views.
01:41:59.500
I know you were a bit sheepish in the cameo you sent me last year when I inquired about Brett Cooper,
01:42:03.880
but you really come into your own hope to one day go on a double date in Florida.
01:42:12.820
I was very scared to talk about my views, so I was very vanilla when I first started social media.
01:42:17.860
Okay, and then we have a comment here, but I wasn't able to pull it up.
01:42:21.800
Stifler asked, ask everyone to rate themselves on a scale of one to ten.
01:42:38.240
I mean, I'm just saying what everybody in the comments is going to say.
01:43:14.580
We should have waited until Debra was back, but.
01:43:21.580
Dude, why the fuck would you ever say something like that?
01:43:35.520
Debra, no long-term commitment, but we can make an agreement.
01:43:39.960
You'll sign ANDA, grow your hair out a bit, convert away from Judaism.
01:43:49.780
And you and my girlfriend can compete for my affections.
01:43:54.180
Yo, Marquavius, I'll trigger it again once she's back, so don't worry about that.
01:44:23.700
I disagree with the ratings people have given themselves.
01:44:28.300
It's supposed to be if you line up 10 random men and you ask them, would you fuck her?
01:44:44.260
If a 10 is like a perfect woman, like absolutely maxed out attractiveness.
01:44:47.680
10 is supposed to be on physical attraction only.
01:44:53.580
If we're talking just physical attraction, 10 is like the most attractive woman you could
01:44:58.460
Yes, it's 10 out of 10 for a reason because you're lining up 10 and you're counting how
01:45:20.360
Like if you're a five, then you're like very like average.
01:45:24.960
Because five out of 10 people would be with you.
01:45:40.620
Like you could have a girl who's like a seven and 10 guys would all sleep with her.
01:45:46.440
I didn't factor in who would sleep with me in my rating.
01:45:53.480
It's not about how many men would sleep with you.
01:45:57.920
You truly believe on a skill base that you're a 6.9.
01:46:03.740
That honestly would make you a 6 in my eyes because it's your confidence level.
01:46:11.980
You just said it's purely based on physical attraction.
01:46:24.300
No, compared to all of the women in the world, I'm rating myself on that scale.
01:46:32.600
I feel like it would be the same if you said you're a perfect 10, that people are always
01:46:36.820
You may as well just go with what you truly believe.
01:46:38.560
Kiko, going back to this whole, if you lined up 10 people and if they all wanted to sleep
01:46:54.780
That's why it's supposed to be like 10 random people, like maybe from all over the world,
01:46:57.880
like not just 10 people from San Francisco or just 10 people from LA.
01:47:06.280
The whole where you look up on anything else, being if you use Axel, Yahoo, Dottles...
01:47:12.120
It's the hottest possible Victoria's Secret model.
01:47:21.520
Do you think you're like the most attractive specimen that's ever walked this earth?
01:47:27.640
On par with the most attractive specimens that have ever walked this earth?
01:47:39.360
Yes, but that's saying that there's only one 10 in the world.
01:48:01.760
I wish you had explained that before, but that's not how you define what a 10 is.
01:48:22.340
So you think you're like physical professional?
01:48:32.620
I would hope not, but that's not what I'm saying.
01:48:34.020
I mean, overall, you don't want me to tell what you are.
01:48:35.900
So I heard I got a super chat while I was gone.
01:48:45.680
We were rating ourselves on physical attractiveness.
01:48:49.820
Oh, I don't know if I want it to be about me anymore.
01:48:56.220
Almost all of them on that side gave themselves 10s.
01:49:02.360
Because there's always more beautiful people in the world, but I know.
01:49:16.800
Bro, do you think a Jew is making a Hitler reference on your show?
01:49:43.860
I think there is an objective attractiveness for people.
01:49:47.280
And I think a lot of that is like the beauty standard.
01:49:50.100
Actually, because I wasn't here for the beginning part.
01:49:53.700
People whose face is the golden ratio and they're symmetrical.
01:49:57.860
That's why when we see things, we're like, that's aesthetic.
01:49:59.720
It's aesthetic to everyone because there's certain things that are pleasing to the eye,
01:50:03.820
like having matching face, a strong jawline, things that, that's what makes things beautiful.
01:50:10.560
So I think in that sense, um, I have some of those things, but also like, I don't know
01:50:17.140
who I could name as a perfect 10 because for me, at least it's hard with looks because I
01:50:21.620
think person, like if you're an ugly person, you could be so hot, but I will see you as
01:50:25.060
a one because if you're a bad person, it's hard.
01:50:27.860
That's why I like what the person who's like, when you open, when someone opens their mouth,
01:50:31.860
I'm like, I am a lot about who you are on the inside also determines how I feel about
01:50:38.880
Also respect for being an aesthetics respecter and the golden ratio reference.
01:50:47.120
That's how they built all the beautiful ancient ruins by using that ratio.
01:50:50.360
So if it's still beautiful nowadays, I think it will stand the test of time and the way
01:50:55.840
Are any girls, Chase, are any girls at this table at 10?
01:51:07.500
I feel like I'd have a different answer if we were just saying just looks.
01:51:14.880
I don't have a different answer if it was overall.
01:51:16.380
When they asked like rate yourself out of 10, I wasn't thinking like just looks, just
01:51:21.780
Yeah, no, you're just your physical appearance.
01:51:40.140
I still think I'm a fucking certified baddie 10, whatever.
01:51:43.800
But like, I'm also not going to come for anybody who has a preference.
01:51:48.700
Like, in some people's eyes, I'm probably like a one.
01:52:01.720
I feel like no one would date someone they didn't think was a, or at least marry someone
01:52:06.540
Because like, why would you want to be with someone that you're like, I could find hotter.
01:52:08.680
But don't you think it is delusional to consider yourself a 10?
01:52:21.620
I don't think it's like thinking that you're the perfect person, but just being like confident.
01:52:26.300
Dude, any person who says, I am a 10, is basically saying, I have zero room for improvement.
01:52:40.420
But this is what he just, when she said that, I clarified if we would ask about our overall
01:52:44.540
personality person as we are as a whole, I wouldn't give myself as a 10.
01:52:47.920
But as a traction level, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm peak athleticism.
01:53:10.100
I'm not improving, because you're just saying, oh, you're saying you can't be better.
01:53:13.120
Yeah, I can improve maybe my personality things about me.
01:53:15.480
But as far as looks-wise, there's not much improvement that's happening unless I get some
01:53:28.800
Wait, Brian, you think I would get plastic surgery?
01:53:40.800
I want to know, Sam, what would you rate yourself physically out of 10?
01:53:43.660
Physically out of 10, because I'm like 5'8", I'm like a 5.
01:53:50.380
But because I'm so sure I should just join the circus, I'm like a 5.
01:53:59.320
Again, if I was a woman and be a bearded woman.
01:54:04.820
You're like super physically fit, so doesn't that boost you up a bit?
01:54:08.680
You mean like in terms of physical attractiveness?
01:54:11.200
Not only is he physically fit, but he's a stone-cold killer, bro.
01:54:16.120
Honestly, I'm not a black belt, but I'm going to be subbing some black belts this weekend.
01:54:23.180
But no, yeah, I would say, okay, physically, I would say more like a 6.
01:54:33.720
I just think it's terrible to say that about yourself.
01:54:35.420
I would never want to date a man who's not on a platform and called himself.
01:54:42.600
He'd probably rate himself a 10, and I know he's a 10.
01:54:46.820
I would say all things considered, because we're just doing physical attractiveness,
01:54:49.920
but I don't want to do that, because as a man, you provide value.
01:54:52.680
There's so much more to a man's personality or to a man than just how he is.
01:54:57.780
I mean, I've heard from women that depending on a man's personality, his physical frame
01:55:04.180
literally changes for them when he owns who he is and when he brings the right energy.
01:55:08.920
So in that sense, I would say an eight, because I'm not yet where I want to be in life, but
01:55:15.000
I totally agree, and that's something that I don't know if it's just like I'm the only
01:55:18.620
person in the history of the world to ever feel this way.
01:55:20.540
It's probably unlikely, but I have not met any other people really close to me that have
01:55:26.340
It's very rare for me to find a guy and be like, he's so hot, like just off the cusp,
01:55:31.780
seeing him like across the room and be like, wow, that guy is like a perfect 10.
01:55:35.420
I think that's half that just people are very ugly these days because they don't take care
01:55:39.240
of themselves, but also I definitely in somebody that like the more I am attracted to somebody's
01:55:43.880
personality, the hotter they look to me and someone who, if I just looked at them and I
01:55:48.960
If I started talking to them and found out that they were like a really great man of God,
01:55:53.300
strong personality, very masculine, I'd be like, wow, in my eyes, he's a 10.
01:55:56.880
And I feel like everyone should feel that way about their partner.
01:55:59.200
They may have the objective looks, but when you get to know them, their total person is
01:56:04.680
And that's what I was going to say to you when you said like, why would you want to
01:56:09.560
And it's like, well, all things considered, you have to look at their values and you have
01:56:14.140
Like, ideally, you're not going to date anyone below like an eight and you're going to be
01:56:18.320
at that point, you're like, you're really attracted to someone who's an eight.
01:56:21.100
And then working on that, you can be even more attracted to them based on how their personality
01:56:25.620
is and how they, how you compliment the combination.
01:56:29.580
When you look at a guy and this is for anyone can answer.
01:56:32.740
When you look at a guy is like what makes him physically attractive, kind of having a
01:56:40.840
Or is it having like more of a rugged, like masculine look?
01:56:44.520
Because I've seen girls look at like Timothee Chalamet and look at like these guys that
01:56:50.320
look like they have like, they have defined bone structure and their aesthetic and they
01:57:04.680
I feel like, I feel like, I feel like teenage girls, like those like Timothee Chalamet like
01:57:09.780
type guys, but once, once they like grow older, they like the like more masculine guys.
01:57:18.180
Well, I don't know if you actually made a, you didn't make a determination on that,
01:57:25.380
So do you prefer like a more kind of like feminine, but attractive looking guy or more
01:57:33.240
I'm from Manhattan, so I'm definitely not going for the lumberjacks, but I also do like
01:57:39.580
Like I like the look of a guy who takes care of himself, but also is like a man.
01:57:47.080
We were walking after dinner and we passed Sephora and he's like, oh my God, I'm a
01:57:54.220
Well, what guy is spending a thousand dollars at Sephora?
01:58:00.520
I, at that moment I was like, if you take, it sucks for men.
01:58:03.840
Cause if you guys don't take any care of yourselves, it's like, ew, you're gross.
01:58:06.740
And if you take too good care of yourselves, it's like, oh, he's gay.
01:58:15.780
I think the good balance is like my boyfriend doesn't really care, but then if I'm like doing
01:58:18.960
something, he'd be willing for me to like let him do it all.
01:58:29.040
So, uh, to go back to what you were saying about a guy and his physical attractiveness
01:58:33.260
One of the things that I've like pretty much universally noticed about women is like they
01:58:37.280
can see a guy who's very physically attractive, but if his energy is off instantly becomes
01:58:43.740
And on top of that as well, I've met a lot of women who will see a guy who like isn't
01:58:49.640
He might be short, might be a little bit out of, out of shape, but if his energy is super
01:58:53.700
on point and he's like funny and confident, he becomes like the hottest guy in the world
01:58:57.940
Tell me, tell me if you guys agree with girls and guys, if you agree or disagree with this,
01:59:05.520
I honestly absolutely just forgot what I was going to say.
01:59:09.020
I was saying like a guy cannot be conventionally physically attractive, but if his energy is
01:59:13.680
super on point, he can become like the hottest guy in the world.
01:59:15.880
So I think this is a girl versus guy difference.
01:59:18.880
I think girls fall in love with potential and in a way that guys don't.
01:59:25.760
Like he may not have the exact looks, but like I could get him to work out more.
01:59:28.660
And I know a lot of women who stay for the guy's potential.
01:59:31.420
Whereas I think guys are a little bit more like clear cut about it.
01:59:38.440
So I do think women are probably more likely to stay with somebody that they're like iffy
01:59:46.580
Let me, let me, let me specify the question even further.
01:59:48.940
Has there been a guy in your past where you were like, he's not like physically super attractive,
01:59:53.300
but his energy was on point and you found him very attractive?
01:59:59.880
Would he still have a chance despite being five nine?
02:00:02.400
If his like, his personality was extremely tall.
02:00:04.920
Well, he was also like, he was a learned man of valor.
02:00:08.200
And I think those are very rare to find these days.
02:00:16.800
Despite not being college educated, he was very well-rounded about just different culture,
02:00:25.080
And he also had a lot of different interests rather than just like, let's squad up on Fortnite.
02:00:29.260
He's like reading theories and just teaching me a lot.
02:00:33.960
And he's like rugged, not in the sense of like lumberjack rugged, but like down to earth,
02:00:40.060
really in tune with just like the world, but like in a godly way.
02:00:43.420
Not like a man of the world, but he's a man of God who understands the world.
02:00:47.100
And I really appreciate people who just have similar outlooks to me on life too.
02:01:07.580
Is this the guy that red-pilled you on the golden ratio?
02:01:10.680
Those were like, that's just stuff that you learn when you're younger.
02:01:13.160
I feel like everyone, well, I went to private school, so I don't know what's happening in
02:01:23.900
That's why she, you know, she has like literal ancient knowledge.
02:01:27.300
Because you don't really read these things in school.
02:01:33.280
Debra, no long-term commitment, but we can make an agreement.
02:01:37.760
You'll sign ANDA, grow your hair out a bit, convert away from Judaism.
02:01:43.160
I'll coach you to speak a little less and fly you out private, and you and my girlfriend
02:01:56.140
Like, the NDA mixed in there, that really just gets me going.
02:02:11.240
His very essence demands respect, and not ladylike.
02:02:30.800
I'm going to have a mint busted down two-tone Rolex one day, but that doesn't tell me how
02:02:35.500
many calories I burn during the day, and that doesn't measure my Pilates classes for
02:02:38.840
me, so I'm rocking with the Apple watch these days.
02:02:41.580
But sorry, Brian, you need the internet people to defend you.
02:02:48.620
I think Brian is a strong man, and he don't need no internet people defending him.
02:02:53.680
But to the person beforehand, no, I would never convert from Judaism.
02:02:57.220
I'm an extremely proud Jew today until the end of time.
02:03:00.540
And in terms of competing for your girlfriend, do I look like I would compete?
02:03:13.120
I'm not the type of girl who competes for affection.
02:03:15.000
Does it change anything that Marquavius Martin is a Mensa member, and so very high IQ, and
02:03:34.000
Does that add to the calculus of whether you would date him or not?
02:03:42.060
I'm one of those people that like, the same way I was having a conversation at dinner last
02:03:46.160
night, somebody was telling me, he's an agent here, one of his people he manages has made
02:03:50.240
$28 million on OnlyFans in her lifetime, and we were talking about that, and I was like,
02:03:55.280
I just don't feel there's any amount of money that can pull me away from my morals and my
02:03:58.820
values, and I think it's the same, even if it's 100 Quiznos, even if it's 1,000 Quiznos.
02:04:16.700
I wonder if all of the people watching on YouTube started watching on Rumble.
02:04:22.620
These hot-button issues affect all facets of life.
02:04:27.360
Brian coming down on his guests on the behalf of YouTube is gross to watch.
02:04:34.180
A lot of these social media companies are super woke.
02:04:36.540
We kind of look, you know, we got to play by their rules is what it is.
02:04:44.980
Hypothetically, if you could bring all of your guests from YouTube to Rumble, would you just let it rip more?
02:04:50.740
Yeah, I mean, Rumble would, on Rumble, you can say anything.
02:04:55.700
I've actually, I'm, I actually know the owners of Rumble.
02:05:01.200
Bro, dude, after, after the success of the whatever podcast, you should hit them up and be like, yo, like, we're one of the top podcasts on YouTube.
02:05:09.900
There's already some negotiations going on with Rumble, so I don't want to.
02:05:21.040
Tell your followers they should direct their energy, not towards Brian.
02:05:23.600
It's not his fault that he has to censor himself so that he doesn't lose his business.
02:05:27.300
Directed to the government to repeal Section 230, which allows social media companies to violate our First Amendment.
02:05:44.300
Brickson, love your show, but please move to Rumble.
02:05:50.400
Chase brings the topics people are craving to hear.
02:05:58.260
Praise him for boosting engagement in your channel.
02:06:10.000
I just, like, we, because we're on YouTube, gotta be careful.
02:06:23.440
But like Debra was saying, like, I think these platforms are doing a disservice to public discussions on these topics by being so censorious.
02:06:34.000
Yeah, and Eve, I don't take offense to him scolding me.
02:06:37.420
I mean, he's walking a tight line with these discussions, and YouTube is very, they're very picky.
02:06:50.640
I think he's a smart man to do what he has to do.
02:06:53.080
Did they, with Matt Walsh, did they demonetize his videos from advertising?
02:07:02.140
He can't bring in any income, even through super chats and stuff like that.
02:07:06.760
He's losing, like, five figures of ad revenue, I think.
02:07:17.900
I mean, he's got a very popular YouTube channel, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's his YouTube-based ad revenue.
02:07:24.740
Dude, if this continues, I feel like it's eventually going to catalyze a mass exodus away from this platform.
02:07:30.420
People have tried making alternatives, but I think it's hard because YouTube isn't just, like, some fun platform.
02:07:36.540
YouTube has been on our iPhone since the first iPhone came out.
02:07:39.240
And these companies that got in when there wasn't any other social media, they have such chokeholds and monopolies on the industry that there's no room for anybody to come out.
02:07:49.020
And, like, if half the people leave, then the majority are still on these apps, and then we're just all divided, and everyone's views goes down.
02:08:01.080
They've been able to attract some decent personalities over to their platform, and I think they are starting to compete to some degree with YouTube.
02:08:09.300
But, I mean, like, if you, I mean, you really, no one's really competing with YouTube in the sense of, like, I mean, you have Twitch, which is actually more censorious than YouTube.
02:08:26.200
Yeah, Twitch is way stricter than YouTube when it comes to a lot of these topics.
02:08:30.220
And you can't even, like, certain words, they're, like, the most tame words you can't even say if you're streaming on Twitch.
02:08:37.580
And the crazy thing with Twitch is they'll straight up ban your channel.
02:08:43.320
You'll get, like, a three-day, seven-day ban on Twitch.
02:08:47.000
And your channel's not, you can't even see the channel.
02:08:49.380
Whereas on YouTube, it'll just be, like, you'll be demonetized for a period of time, or you can't upload for a period of time.
02:08:57.080
But on Twitch, it's, like, you're erased from the platform entirely for, like, three days, seven days a month.
02:09:04.560
Twitch, oh, TikTok's also terrible when it comes to censorship.
02:09:09.320
But it's, like, they'll censor the most crazy things, but then I'm scrolling on TikTok.
02:09:13.540
And I'll have this girl who's acting like she's getting hit from behind on my, on live.
02:09:21.100
I'm, like, reading a book, and they're just children.
02:09:23.820
Like, there'll be ladies reading a book, and they'll be, like, halfway off the screen.
02:09:26.720
And they'll, like, bounce back and forth to make it.
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Or, like, ladies working out in the gym, but, like, barely wearing anything, just bending over the whole time.
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And, like, that's all allowed, but you can't even just say your opinion.
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It's because, like, they're allowed to say it's medical.
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Like, it's always a distraction when these things come to light.
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TikTok was, like, the least important thing on that bill.
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The last time TikTok was supposed to be banned, Hillary Clinton was on trial for her email.
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So, there's, like, a lot of things that happened.
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Thank you for the 2,500 Swedish currency, I believe.
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Let me just shout out the Twitch people, and we're going to get into one of our first topics here.
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If you could just spam it in the chat really quick.
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So pleasantly surprised to hear Section 230 to come up on this stream.
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I literally stopped watching on YouTube and started watching on Rumble right before I sent my message.
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Yeah, do you guys want to honestly, though, speak about Section 233?
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What do you guys think about, like, the French Revolution?
02:11:54.380
Okay, Eric, can you pull up the Leonardo DiCaprio infographic?
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Okay, so, Leonardo DiCaprio, I believe he's, what, 45?
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He consistently dates women between the ages of 18 to 25.
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He's not dated a woman, I suppose, as far as...
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Maybe he has, just his long-term girlfriends anyways, that's older than 25.
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We don't know if the women are breaking up with him.
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Maybe there's people making some assumptions here that he's dumping them at 25.
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Maybe the women are just realizing that he doesn't want children, he doesn't want to get married,
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and they want to pursue someone to have a family with.
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It might become, like, a self-fulfilling prophecy, where, like, once the girls start getting close to 25,
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they're like, oh, shit, I know that he always breaks up with girls at 25.
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Break up with him before he breaks up with you.
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Kiko, he's 45, dating women who are in their early 20s.
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I feel the times when men are older than 40 and are in a relationship with somebody underneath the age of 21,
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But a man over the age of 40 who chooses to exclusively date 18 or 19-year-olds, I find that a bit weird.
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It feels like they can't find a woman over that age.
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Because it's like, what, oh, because the evidence that you guys say to me that why an 18-year-old is so much better to date than a 25-year-old,
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So, if you want to go through the details again of why.
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Sure, before we give our rebuttal, I want to let everybody answer.
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This is like a guy who, like, is older and he, like, seeks out younger girls like that.
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Like, a guy who purposely seeks out younger girls.
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It's like, it just seems like you can't have a problem.
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Um, I think it's weird when it's that big of a age difference.
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Especially when, if they've, like, just turned 18, 19.
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If you, if you weren't dating a guy right now, would you date Leonardo DiCaprio?
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I don't think you guys realize the opportunity a lot of women have to date or be with, like,
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But, like, he's not attractive to me in his slightest.
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Like, I, not even for the money could I do that.
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I would shoot my brains out probably a year in.
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If they saw him in person and he was like, hey, how are you doing?
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I don't think you would immediately want to, like, jump on them.
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Did you guys ever see that clip when Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend slash wife ran into
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And he's, like, standing on the stair and she's looking up at him like, that's what would
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That's what would happen to 99.9% of women if they just happened to run into Leonardo DiCaprio.
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And if he was like, hey, so, like, you know, what's your name?
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Like, you're telling me, you'd be like, no, I'm not interested.
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Well, on top of that, on top of what Chase just said.
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There's going to be a whole entourage surrounding him, and you're going to see men going up
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to him wanting to get attention, women wanting his attention.
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You're going to see this social component of the fame, and you're going to find that,
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like, you don't even have to intellectualize that.
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There's something, like, women will see that and be like, that's the fucking man.
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I bet in a situation he's describing, I'd bet $1,000 every single girl at this table
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would, if he asked them out, would be like, bro.
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Just because you would do that for Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't mean that we wouldn't do
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He looks like a fucking, like, the Lord of the Rings, like, yeah, he's not cute.
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Even when he was younger, maybe when he was, like, in his, like, teens, when he pushed on
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So physical appearance, he could be a literal A-list movie star.
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Everybody in the chat, let us know if you think that,
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Do you guys think that they're telling the truth?
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Billy and I went on Michael Knowles' podcast about this exact topic, and we both said that
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They say one of the most critically acclaimed actors of our generation, and he's a very talented
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Every woman responds to status and power in a man, and no matter how principled a woman
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can say, that doesn't mean that she's necessarily going to date him, but there's something in
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When they meet a powerful man with high status who is admired, who's a charismatic guy, women
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I'll give the exact answer I gave on the Michael Knoll Show.
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I also see why he wants that type of women, because they're pure.
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If he's able to attract a new pure woman every five years, then why not?
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I would not date him because, well, let me go back to that.
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Since he keeps going through these girls, he's never going to have the traditional family.
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He's never going to have the nuclear family, and I think you find true fulfillment in the
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nuclear family, and I think you're here to create a family, and he's not going to find
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fulfillment, and I will not date somebody that's not looking for that.
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You're a principled woman who has something that you're specifically looking for, and
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he doesn't want that, and so it's like, it's a no for you.
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But what I was saying, and what I'm asking if you're disputing, is the idea that you wouldn't
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at least be somewhat, like, there wouldn't be a part of you that would be interested,
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like, wow, this extremely high status guy who the entire world admires is taking an interest
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I've had a high status guys reach out to me multiple times.
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It's not as hard as you guys think, but we already have this opportunity.
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I got NBA players, NFL players, movie stars, UFC players.
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Who at Leonardo DiCaprio's level has, like, hit you up, though?
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Yeah, but see, like, a principled woman isn't going to be, like, attracted to Andrew Tate,
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unless, like, she's into, like, the same stuff.
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I don't know any woman who'd be attracted to Andrew Tate.
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We're trying to set her up as one of Tate's wives.
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He seems like the type of guy to beat the shit out of his wife.
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Are you basing that on his, like, videos with his ex who wanted him to, like, rough her up?
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No, on his demeanor as a guy and the way he thinks about women and the way that he sees
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The difference between a godly man and a man who sees the value in a woman in his life
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is that, like you said, he wants to be a man worthy of submission.
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What has Andrew Tate done to be worthy of submission?
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He doesn't give off this sense of, like, I'm a strong leader, both for myself, my community.
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Like, there's just a lot of qualities that give off a strong man who's, like, a good man.
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Being a strong man isn't equal with a good man, and I just have never seen, like, any
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side of him that made me think that he wouldn't beat his wife.
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I don't agree with, like, a lot of the stuff that Andrew Tate has said and done in his life.
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Ladies, the primary metric of beauty menus for mate selection is a direct correlative to
02:22:19.940
To give a man the best chance of carrying on a legacy, the desired woman should be as fertile
02:22:33.720
Although I disagree with a lot of the things he's said and done in his life, like, part
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of the reason why he does attract a lot of women is because he is a strong leader and
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Doesn't mean he's, like, a good leader in terms of religion or, like, religious moral
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values and stuff, but, like, guarantee his girlfriends know, okay, if this guy loves me,
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he's going to protect me and he's going, like, I'm going to be safe with him.
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I think it depends what women want because something, like, I've made it very clear I would
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never settle for anyone less than, like, a manly masculine man.
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But I also appreciate the soft side of men where, like, they're hard to everybody else.
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It's kind of like the guy who's bad to, like, a bad guy to everybody else, but they're very
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I definitely appreciate that side of men and I don't see that reflected in him.
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Like, I couldn't imagine if you're, like, crying, just personality-wise, not really
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Yeah, but you're also basing that off of what he portrays on social media.
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I don't know if he's still in prison right now or not.
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And let's not act like we just see him doing a little bit of videos here and there.
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We've seen hour-long of him talking about his points of views and how he is as a person.
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So we kind of do get to see, even if it is a facade or not, if that's a facade that he
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wants to take on, I don't want to be in part of that.
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I want to make it very clear I don't disagree with everything he says.
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I'm not one of those people that's just, like, an Andrew Tate hater.
02:23:51.800
Okay, so let's bring it back to Leonardo DiCaprio.
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So while we were reacting to this infographic of basically he doesn't date older women or
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women his age, and we were going around getting everyone's reaction to that.
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I don't know if you got to kind of give your take on it.
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He's dating women in their early 20s, basically.
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Even if I was single, I don't think I would date him.
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Sorry, RIP is in the chat for Leonardo DiCaprio.
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You're not related to Leonardo DiCaprio unless there's something you want to tell us.
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You know, matter of fact, where's everyone from?
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Wait, you had an issue with that the last time we were on the show.
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I know, but you were saying guys in their, like, 30s to mid-30s...
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...who had interest in 18 to, like, 25-year-old girls.
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I said 30-plus-year-old men who consistently only date 18 and 19-year-olds.
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And when you tell me that I misspoke what you said, I agree with you.
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So I'm telling you right now, maybe if there were 60...
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Yeah, I said it's weird if she's 23, but 30-plus...
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Yeah, it was specifically 30-plus into 18 to early 20s.
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I would never say a five-year age gap is weird, so don't put words in my fucking mouth.
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He said, one day I'm sure you're going to find your besheret, which is in Judaism, like
02:26:31.580
Cars and Deb, thank you for the $100 super chat.
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It is a great mitzvah for you to donate that to us, so...
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So I got an interesting question to kind of reframe things.
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I know that you're committed to your boyfriend.
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Imagine Leonardo DiCaprio had this, like, conversion, and he was like...
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You know, I'm going to be a Christian, or I'm going to be Jewish.
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And then he comes upon you guys, and he's like, hey, like, I don't want to keep dating
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Would you guys be open to it with a guy like Leonardo DiCaprio?
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Well, personally, I think he's also been with too many women for me, and publicly.
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Like, I've had opportunities to date successful guys if I wanted to, but I want somebody on
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my level, in a sense, like, who makes me be better, but also my oldest, like, I have
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a hard time talking to a guy that's 30 or older.
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Also, I think there's a generational difference nowadays.
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So if he got it a little older, like a 30-year-old, but I'd cap at, like, 29 for me, max.
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You mentioned that, well, we get a lot of, we have gotten a lot of attention from people
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You mentioned blue check marks in your DMs, and you gave a laundry list of different professions
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So how many blue check marks have you had in your DMs?
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I've had my Instagram for a few years now, but I think this is girls, what you don't get
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A girl could have 2,000 followers, and Andrew Tate's lighting in her DMs.
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I know girls like that because guys think that they, I mean, they go for it.
02:28:35.520
Well, I want to stay on the Leonardo DiCaprio topic for a little bit here, but I do want to
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say women have dating on easy mode changed my mind.
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You go, your struggle you're saying is you struggle maybe to get a first date.
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Me, it's like, we're scared for our lives sometimes.
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So it's like a very difference of things when it's like dating on easy mode.
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My boyfriend definitely has never had a problem dating because he's an attractive man.
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If you're an ugly girl, it's going to be hard for you too.
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Average women have an easier time dating than average men.
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It's yours' fault for sleeping with anything that has two legs.
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They're all coming after me saying 30-year-olds didn't have iPhones.
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I was nine years old when the first iPhone came out.
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We didn't have Instagram until I was 12 years old and I'm only 22 right now.
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But yeah, to all the people that are saying you're 27, you didn't have it.
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Like, so being raised, like I had a Motorola flip phone for my first phone.
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Like, people who grew up with Instagram, Photoshops, all these celebrities in your face, TikTok,
02:30:08.100
Like, I've been on social media since fifth grade.
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Someone who was 30 wasn't on social media since fifth grade.
02:30:12.520
Being raised with social media is a very different mindset and worldview than people
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who grew up the good old-fashioned way, hanging out in the park, seeing your friends, meeting
02:30:22.860
Okay, here, let me frame the question like this.
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Agree or disagree, do women have dating on easy mode?
02:30:33.620
Like, I don't, I really don't, I really don't get that.
02:30:38.260
So this is something that's, like, inherent to just women in dating is that they're kind
02:30:43.320
of all players and not, like, consciously, but because they just have so many options,
02:30:49.200
Like, there's this guy in your DMs and that guy met you yesterday and there's this guy
02:30:54.440
Whereas men, we have to go out and create those options for ourselves.
02:31:00.280
I mean, just to complain about that just sounds like very, like...
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It's just acknowledging a reality of the world.
02:31:05.760
What Sam is getting at, and by the way, I disagree with the idea that all women are,
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like, kind of players, but I understand what you're getting at.
02:31:11.320
The reality that he's getting at is that women are born with their value and men have
02:31:18.320
If I'm some loser and I just sit at home and I'm eating, like, potato chips all day and
02:31:23.340
I don't spend my time trying to build my value as a man, build my confidence, all these kind
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of things, I'm not going to have as much success with women as I would otherwise.
02:31:30.980
But an average woman who isn't working on her own personal excellence and who still has
02:31:35.600
a decent level of attractiveness, even if she's just average, there's going to be tons
02:31:42.160
And average guys do not have tons of women that want to sleep with them.
02:31:46.760
They're just trying to seek out women who are above their bakery.
02:31:52.140
I know men who are ugly as hell getting laid every night.
02:32:06.920
The average guy does not have tons of women who want to sleep with him.
02:32:10.940
The average guy would be lucky to have one or two who want to sleep with him.
02:32:17.980
The average, the point that I've made in previous podcasts, the average guy can go
02:32:25.000
The average woman can go on Tinder and get laid two nights.
02:32:38.220
Men are more willing to sleep with people who are not on their level than women.
02:32:47.740
Men will sleep with a lot of different women, okay?
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Men will sleep with average women, is the point.
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It doesn't just come naturally to them like it does for women.
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I work much harder than the average dudes in my age group.
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But just because I wouldn't doesn't mean that a ton of other guys wouldn't.
02:33:31.660
I know a lot of guys who are very average, and they don't have any problem finding women
02:33:38.260
But is finding someone to sleep with really fulfilling?
02:33:42.220
Yeah, I have across platforms probably over 800,000 followers that are all single men.
02:33:52.060
And I get thousands of messages every day from attractive guys that cannot get a date.
02:34:02.260
Like, it is, girls are not aware of the crisis out there that men are facing in the dating world.
02:34:09.340
I don't think you guys can, I don't think you can speak on it because you don't know about it.
02:34:24.140
It's, like, I cry about it when I read the messages.
02:34:28.740
You mentioned that you have a lot of attractive guys who cannot get a date.
02:34:40.740
This is an important conversation that a lot of people can learn from.
02:34:43.400
I think the feminism movement has completely beat down men.
02:34:58.640
That's a part of it, but I don't think it's a big part of it.
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I think their confidence is absolutely destroyed in the dating world.
02:35:12.520
I feel like the feminism movement has kind of made women not just feel equal to men,
02:35:19.940
And I feel like that's the way they treat a lot of men.
02:35:22.080
Do you feel like the feminism movement has convinced a lot of women to not appreciate men for what they bring to the table?
02:35:32.220
Because feminism causes women to become masculine and to embody the traits that they would otherwise look for in a partner.
02:35:41.780
Yeah, and that's hard for a man to even be attracted to.
02:35:48.480
And men, you know, we have a dream inside of our hearts.
02:35:51.400
If you're a masculine man who's red-blooded, we have a dream inside of our hearts to care for a woman and protect her and provide for her and build a family with her.
02:35:59.560
And a lot of women who are, like, deep into feminism, they're like, I don't need a man to do those things for me.
02:36:03.980
Do you feel like that is demoralizing a lot of men who are looking for women?
02:36:13.280
Yeah, no, when a man is not appreciated for providing for his family, that completely...
02:36:21.820
And so do you feel like that is causing a lot of men to feel hopeless in the dating marketplace?
02:36:38.600
I think they're in their homes now more, and they don't have the social skills to speak to women.
02:36:44.460
And I think, you know, like we said, game is attractive to us.
02:36:48.340
Like, a lot of men don't even know how to approach women.
02:36:53.740
And I also think that the whole porn industry is driven by a lot of women that feel empowered with sex.
02:37:06.580
If I may ask her another question, I assume you've had successes in helping men get better with women
02:37:13.000
and find girlfriends, wives, so on and so forth.
02:37:15.660
What would you say has been the most effective thing in your coaching of these men to help them cross that threshold?
02:37:25.920
Once a guy can land the first date, usually he's capable of taking it a little bit further.
02:37:34.240
Actually, I've helped people a lot with dating profiles.
02:37:40.660
One of my really good friends is actually a dating app photographer.
02:37:50.720
But once he completely revamps their profiles, because women look at a profile for a significant...
02:38:06.060
So what has made the most successful dating profiles for men?
02:38:17.560
His name is Justin Harder, for anybody wondering.
02:38:38.980
They'll never be on a private jet if they can't afford a private jet.
02:38:46.380
Like, you're not having the club photos where you're drunk with your six friends.
02:38:50.800
And I think the gym selfies, like, getting rid of those and replacing them with maybe,
02:38:57.960
I think a lot of guys make dating profiles, and they think...
02:39:03.340
They select photos that they think the boys would like.
02:39:09.640
I remember when I was on dating apps, it was, like, most of the guys, all their pictures,
02:39:16.160
Like, I could really even tell what the dude would look like.
02:39:17.840
Because it was either a group photo every single time, or, like, an obscured, super far
02:39:33.160
You know what's funny about that, the whole looks thing, is you can actually...
02:39:36.420
You often hear people say, men are so superficial.
02:39:42.680
It seems to be the case that women care a great deal about looks and physical appearance,
02:39:47.560
as is proven by what's going on on dating apps.
02:39:55.220
Somebody said fake profiles get you dates, not relationships.
02:40:00.260
Good photos get you dates, and a lot of men have the conversation skills to get a relationship,
02:40:08.600
And also, they can develop their conversation skills on those dates.
02:40:15.700
It's not an automatic relationship, but I think a lot of men...
02:40:26.780
Because I would say, in today's day and age, I would say most first dates don't lead anywhere.
02:40:37.440
Once you have more options, you absolutely learn from them.
02:40:42.280
I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, which is that a man's personality
02:40:49.280
And so when they're on the apps and only the apps, they don't really get to feel his energy.
02:40:54.140
And that's always been my issue with using the apps.
02:41:00.100
I'm not going to talk about myself too much, but...
02:41:03.900
When a guy has the sauce, women can't really feel that.
02:41:08.940
And you can't even really feel that over text because you can't hear the tonality of his
02:41:14.680
And so my advice to any guys that are struggling on the apps would to be grow some balls and
02:41:19.800
go and look confused in Trader Joe's because that's where you're going to find a girl that's
02:41:27.480
worth dating because if you leave it up to the apps, all they can look at is your shitty
02:41:32.280
photos that your friends took of you from 2016.
02:41:48.120
I wanted to let you guys come in a little bit here.
02:41:53.640
Okay, the question is, do women have dating on easy mode as compared to men?
02:42:03.300
I feel like I don't have enough experience to respond to this, but.
02:42:13.120
Who has an easier time getting laid, men or women?
02:42:25.940
Who has an easier time getting a date, men or women?
02:42:47.920
I mean, you have girlfriends, you have guy friends.
02:43:01.560
Are we just going, saying our answers or would you like me to elaborate?
02:43:10.700
I was just saying, because she was like asking, I was saying he just wants you guys to talk
02:43:16.780
Well, no, I want to try to bring them into the conversation.
02:43:19.840
Like we made the point earlier, women have the choice to whoever men they want.
02:43:28.860
But I think like we said, like we rated ourselves 10s.
02:43:34.980
So if a guy will walk up to you when you're out, you're going to be like, oh, no.
02:43:38.620
So that like that makes them feel insecure in a way, which is why it's harder for them
02:43:44.120
to be able to talk to women and try to get more women.
02:43:52.620
So I don't know, maybe he's just because everyone's drunk there.
02:43:55.220
But when I'm bartending, I'll oftentimes see men approach women.
02:44:00.040
Majority of the time, they either chat for a little bit, end up dancing together, whatever.
02:44:04.180
I rarely ever see a man approach a woman at my bar, at least where I work, and them just
02:44:10.080
Unless they were like drunk as hell all over them being a weirdo, then of course.
02:44:15.000
The thing about that example, Kiko, is the type of dudes that are going to bars are gregarious,
02:44:19.400
outgoing guys who like have confidence in their game, and they know that there's attractive
02:44:24.460
girls out there, and they want to go talk to them.
02:44:26.860
That is not representative of the average male population.
02:44:29.380
Okay, but like how Sam said, get out of there and go.
02:44:32.000
When men approach women in a nice way and not creepy, majority of the time, it's not met
02:44:40.940
Online, maybe, because I'm not going to respond to a random man who just DMs me if I don't know
02:44:46.040
I don't know who I can meet out there and be a weirdo and chop me up into a million
02:44:50.100
But, you know, sometimes you could read it better in person.
02:44:52.540
So I feel like for men, a lot of encounters come better.
02:44:55.260
So I was going to ask her, have you just started this after the pandemic?
02:44:58.600
Like, have we seen a shift since the pandemic where people were inside trying to do this
02:45:02.280
versus when men were out and approaching women, and it wasn't as taboo for those things?
02:45:07.960
I see them having a fairly easy time, especially in IV.
02:45:12.260
It could be the ugliest man walking up to an average woman, and they'll go home together.
02:45:21.480
I've watched the ugliest men get laid every single night by the ugliest.
02:45:26.460
Kiko, because you are seeing a specific subset of men that have confidence.
02:45:35.000
A very small amount of men are just getting women easily.
02:45:38.580
For the vast majority, you shake your head, I talk to a lot of men, Kiko, a lot of men,
02:45:44.900
and they all come to me because they're like, bro, it seems like you have confidence
02:45:49.460
Help me because I'm struggling with these women.
02:45:53.600
The majority of guys are not successful with women.
02:45:56.200
It is difficult for men to attract and keep women if they are average men.
02:46:05.040
Well, this is exactly why marriage rates are declining.
02:46:06.980
And it's also why she has 800,000 followers across her platforms of attractive, you said
02:46:14.440
She has attractive dudes that are struggling to get solid women.
02:46:17.780
I would say any man who's going to her for that probably has some more deep-rooted issues
02:46:24.760
The problem is that you are judging all men based on the small subset of men that you see.
02:46:33.020
You're judging off the small subset of men that you see.
02:46:43.140
I mean, all you have to do is look at that thing that Brian brings up.
02:47:02.880
By the way, you can keep a poker face while people are talking.
02:47:15.780
If I'm just sitting here like this, you're not going to get shit.
02:47:19.820
But it's, it's, uh, if you're like grimacing when someone's trying to make a point and
02:47:23.360
you're like rolling your eyes, it's kind of rude.
02:47:28.700
Kiko, I've listened, I've listened to, I've listened to many of your points.
02:47:34.000
And the point, the point that I want to make right now throughout, so I've done, this
02:47:38.640
is what the ninth episode that I've done at this point.
02:47:40.680
And one of the things Brian has asked girls, he goes like, okay, so what kind of guys
02:47:50.740
Oftentimes, like Debra said, it's above six foot tall, right?
02:47:53.500
And if you look up the female delusion calculator and you look at the amount of dudes that are
02:47:58.060
above six feet tall that make, you know, $90,000 a year or up, it's like less than 1% of the
02:48:05.360
So you have women saying, Hey, this is what I want.
02:48:13.600
And so you say, well, it's the below average guys that, you know, they can't get laid.
02:48:17.440
Literally 99% of men do not fit in the average woman's standards for what they want in a
02:48:24.680
But my point is a lot of women might be saying that, but their actions aren't showing that
02:48:28.820
I might say that, but my last ex was broke as fucking five, seven.
02:48:44.660
Based off of the point of he's saying is how he's below me because he's not six foot and
02:48:49.620
In his eyes, he got to date me because based off what you guys are saying.
02:48:56.820
I would say he got to date me because he reached out to me for months beforehand and we had
02:49:01.000
to have multiple friends intervene to get us into a relationship.
02:49:17.680
When I met him, I was at a very low point of my life.
02:49:20.960
We met one month before the pandemic hit and we kind of just got.
02:49:27.240
If I wouldn't have experienced what I experienced right before meeting him.
02:49:31.440
If you know what the term is, we were trauma bonded basically together.
02:49:35.940
Honestly, because I thought he was going to kill me.
02:49:37.580
So after I was with him, I was scared to get out of it.
02:49:39.600
So because you guys are fucking making fun of me.
02:49:41.120
If you want me to actually say the real reasons.
02:49:44.040
Give me those signs that if I was going to actually leave him, he was going to.
02:49:54.080
There's a lot of psycho guys out there these days.
02:49:58.180
You guys want to see just one side of everything.
02:50:12.080
But like the guys are like, I'll kill myself if you break up with me.
02:50:35.660
So that's why he knew he could play that card on me.
02:50:40.480
For anyone listening who finds themselves in a position where they want to kill themselves
02:50:44.640
if their significant other breaks up with them.
02:50:46.940
I just want to say to all of you guys, find purpose in your lives.
02:50:50.220
Find meaning in your lives and fulfillment beyond relationships.
02:50:55.080
I want to make this point for all the people out there that are struggling.
02:50:57.480
It's my personal opinion that you should be fulfilled in yourself and find joy and happiness
02:51:02.200
in your own life and completeness as a person before you get into a relationship so that
02:51:06.400
you are not emotionally dependent on the validation of that person that you're in a relationship
02:51:11.280
There are a lot of people out there like that who become suicidally depressed after a breakup.
02:51:19.400
You have to find fulfillment in yourself as a person outside of the relationship.
02:51:23.480
And even if you're not fulfilled, just don't kill yourself because you matter.
02:51:29.860
It's that we're arguing about like it started with do women have an easier time dating than
02:51:35.600
And fundamentally men are like, this is going to sound, you know, like kind of silly, but
02:51:41.120
like fundamentally men, they are the ones that like go and they like penetrate the dating
02:51:47.040
And women are the ones that look at all of their options.
02:51:52.660
So as a man, if you're a man and you're having struggling dating, it is entirely your
02:52:02.580
What I will say is if you're struggling dating, it is a reflection of something that's happening
02:52:07.780
in your personal life that can be improved upon.
02:52:10.220
There's a lot of guys out there who are blackpilled on their options and the fact that women don't
02:52:15.020
want them and what I would say to every man in that position, if you work on yourself and
02:52:19.380
you work on building your confidence as an individual, like the girls earlier in the
02:52:23.420
discussion said, you can, you can give off that tall man energy.
02:52:26.700
You can become very attractive despite not being conventionally physically attractive.
02:52:30.800
If you build your confidence, you build your energy, you build your value as a man.
02:52:33.980
That is something that every guy should be working on so that they can be more successful
02:52:38.340
And it's something that is within every man's grasp.
02:52:41.200
I disagree that it's a hundred percent a man's fault if he's struggling when it comes
02:52:53.280
Feminism is one of them because I mean, the way men used to make themselves attractive was
02:53:02.680
So men are struggling to find, I suppose, a meaning or purpose in their life because
02:53:11.380
If you're a provider, you'll find a woman, you'll take care of her, a single income household,
02:53:19.620
However, now because of feminism, and I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm not saying it's a
02:53:23.960
However, it's a perhaps an unintended consequence of basically doubling the labor pool.
02:53:29.640
And there's news articles, there's articles about this of women saying that there's not,
02:53:34.860
they're not able to find economically attractive partners and men are not appealing partners
02:53:43.620
So that's the chief way that a lot of men made themselves attractive was, hey, just get
02:53:50.860
Also, you have a globalized sexual marketplace.
02:53:53.860
So you have dating apps, social media, you have dating apps, social media, internet, Instagram.
02:54:08.840
Can you guys not talk while I'm talking, please?
02:54:13.040
So you have globalized sexual marketplace where in the past, a woman used to have, if she
02:54:18.780
lived in Idaho, her pool of partners was in her city in Idaho.
02:54:23.660
Now a woman can hop on Instagram, hop on the dating app, match with people within a hundred
02:54:35.340
She can get DM by this guy, this music producer, this actor, this famous athlete, whatever it
02:54:49.820
So you basically have women who have basically mind boggling amount of options.
02:54:56.660
Whereas even an average woman, you guys said, even a woman with 2000 followers on Instagram
02:55:04.220
So women have such an insanely disproportionate amount of options, which they can now exercise
02:55:20.340
So also with the dating apps, it's purely physical and the data has been out there for
02:55:30.760
Women are all chasing after the same 10% of men on dating apps.
02:55:35.080
Women already did that before dating apps, you know, like women, hypergamy, women would
02:55:41.040
be chasing after the best guys at college, the best guys here, the best guys there.
02:55:45.640
But now with digital, now with Instagram, now with dating apps, it's like hyper insane.
02:55:52.140
So basically you have a much higher proportion of men who are getting zeroed out, who have no
02:55:57.520
options, who are just like normal average dudes, some of them between say normal average to
02:56:02.720
like even good looking dudes are getting zeroed out because they're all chasing after these
02:56:08.840
So, so for that reason, it's really not men's fault, I think.
02:56:16.740
Women have, have overinflated egos after downloading apps with the advent of social media and dudes
02:56:24.520
sliding into their DMs, they see, wow, I'm really actually a hot girl.
02:56:30.500
You, you have to look at, you know, are they getting fulfilling relationships?
02:56:36.120
They're probably just getting smashed and passed.
02:56:38.640
But with that being said, my point still stands and I stand by it that if you're a man,
02:56:44.680
you don't have any time to sit around and say, woe is me, pity me, because you're not
02:56:51.300
getting dates because of whatever reason, like as a man, you need to go out and fuck
02:56:57.040
You need to go out and like make yourself the best possible man that you can be from wherever
02:57:03.620
And I understand that it's hard, but if you sit around and complain and focus on all the
02:57:07.400
negative reasons why you can't get a date, then you are going to continue to see that
02:57:11.020
show up in your life rather than going into Trader Joe's and looking confused, which is
02:57:18.620
And my point was simply that as a man, a lot of guys just aren't putting in the work.
02:57:24.560
And myself included in the past, like there are times when I get lazy and when I become
02:57:29.880
complacent and when I'm not doing the things that I need to be doing.
02:57:33.360
And when I'm completely on top of my stuff, like women, they just come into my life naturally.
02:57:43.820
Like you evaluate yourself realistically and do the best that you can do because that's
02:57:50.400
There's no option to just sit around and complain that dating has become harder because women's
02:57:55.600
egos are inflated by social media and by dating apps, even though that's true.
02:58:10.020
I'll fly you home for the holidays so you can breathe in the loving arms of your family.
02:58:15.400
And in a matter of years, you will barely think of me every day.
02:58:23.180
You talked about his girlfriend in the last one.
02:58:29.080
And if she did, if you do, she should slap the fuck out of you for spending $600 so far
02:58:37.100
Like, get your girlfriend a new bag or something.
02:58:49.120
And yeah, so just to finish my point, you can't allow yourself as a man to have excuses.
02:58:57.780
You cannot allow yourself to have excuses for why you can't go and find a date because
02:59:03.400
then you're just not going to go out and find a date.
02:59:05.740
The odds are that these men, they're probably lacking in something.
02:59:13.680
There's a small, I like to believe that there's a small majority of men that have really committed
02:59:18.320
themselves to improving upon themselves as best as they possibly can in their financial
02:59:22.560
life, in their social life, in their physical fitness, and still aren't getting even a single
02:59:29.720
And if that's true, you have to look at yourself realistically.
02:59:32.020
You have to rate yourself out of 10 and say, look, I'm 5'8", therefore I'm a 7.
02:59:40.640
Or do you think that's a society thing that people are just lazier these days in a sense?
02:59:44.540
And like, is that only men that aren't pushing themselves to be the best of themselves?
02:59:47.960
Because I think that message could apply to every single person.
02:59:50.500
That's a really, really good point, Debra, because women, and to Brian's point, that women
02:59:56.300
have overinflated egos because of social media and because of the apps, they're not putting
03:00:02.000
They're not creating a personality for themselves.
03:00:04.340
I know girls who just swipe through Hinge and they're like, okay, I'm down, I'm down.
03:00:07.360
But what's the point of wasting, this is a little bit larger thing, but I don't understand
03:00:12.660
I've personally never gone on a date with somebody from an app.
03:00:17.680
Like, if meeting somebody on an app, I could never imagine myself meeting them in real life.
03:00:21.020
That's just, it's very important for me to meet people in person, sense their energy.
03:00:24.700
But I know friends who just do it for fun, and I feel like, do you agree or disagree
03:00:28.940
that at a certain point, if you're just dating to date in a way, like you're not being selective,
03:00:33.920
is that more harmful or helpful to your long-term goal?
03:00:38.400
A lot of women waste their 20s just hooking up with all the chads, and then their 30s come
03:00:43.480
around and they're like, yo, I want to settle down with a good guy.
03:00:45.900
But it's like, yo, the good guys that you would want to settle down with, they're not
03:00:48.880
interested in a woman who wasted her 20s just hooking up with all the guys.
03:00:51.880
They want oftentimes a younger woman with less baggage.
03:00:54.740
To your point a second ago, too, there's, I think, one of the reasons why a lot of people
03:01:00.660
are frustrated with the dating world is because a lot of people aren't bringing much to the
03:01:07.400
All they're bringing to the table is their body and their time, right?
03:01:10.560
They wouldn't necessarily make a great wife or a great girlfriend.
03:01:14.760
And to your guys' points before about men, like, there's a lot of men out there who,
03:01:18.860
you know, like Sam was saying, they're making excuses for themselves, and they're not, like,
03:01:22.540
working hard on themselves to build their value as men, right?
03:01:25.280
And to all of the guys out there, like, there's a lot of black-pilled dudes out there.
03:01:30.180
Every man has it within his capacity to work on his career.
03:01:34.100
And yes, there's a lot of feminists out there that, like, you know, they're rejecting, like,
03:01:39.160
But every man has it within his capacity to work on his career, to get in the gym, and
03:01:47.660
And when guys do these things, it builds your energy and your confidence so much.
03:01:51.760
When you build your value as a man, every guy has it within his capacity to do those
03:02:04.780
I think that, you know, like you were saying, women, they need to improve upon themselves,
03:02:13.440
Or whatever they need to succeed in the dating world.
03:02:16.500
And that is because they're getting validation from the apps.
03:02:22.080
If you're on the apps and you're a woman, I've been on the apps.
03:02:29.080
Or, you know, it's like, why did you like my profile if you don't want to go out on a
03:02:33.440
Like, I'm selective about the women that I swipe on.
03:02:35.820
I don't just look at them for their body or whatever.
03:02:39.680
I actually am looking at, you know, could we be a potential match?
03:02:43.120
And when I swipe on them, I'd like to take them out to coffee and, like, meet them for
03:02:47.540
an hour and see if we're actually going to click.
03:02:49.400
Because, like I said previously, my energy is different online than it is in person when
03:02:58.480
And so, but as a woman, women, you make a good point.
03:03:01.620
Women are getting too much validation from the apps.
03:03:04.200
They go and they swipe and they're like, yeah, I'm wanted and loved.
03:03:08.600
I mean, you say that women need to self-improve.
03:03:12.860
However, the difference is, is that women need not self-improve to get laid, to get a
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That's why it's just so fucking easy for women.
03:03:24.880
My response to that would be that there is no fulfillment in hookup culture.
03:03:30.080
There is no fulfillment in just fucking someone.
03:03:40.520
You might have a little bit more confidence for the next person, but it is completely a
03:03:47.440
And especially if you're a young woman, you don't have time.
03:03:52.160
If you're in your 20s, you need to find, and you are serious about wanting to get married,
03:03:57.660
you need to start getting really serious about the person that you're dating and the time
03:04:02.440
And I want to add a caveat on that because I've spoken with a lot of women recently who
03:04:06.420
are in their late 20s, early 30s who feel like they have no value because they're in
03:04:12.600
I know dudes in their 30s that are looking for you women.
03:04:15.280
Don't think that you don't have any value because you haven't found a guy by the time you're
03:04:19.560
However, Sam's point is still correct in the sense that it is a bad idea to waste your
03:04:24.500
20s just having fun and then hope to settle down with the best guy possible in your early
03:04:30.560
And a lot of people, a lot of women, I've got a lot of friends from high school, they
03:04:35.720
They think they can just bang all the chads through their 20s and then settle down in
03:04:42.600
But that's to say, women in your late 20s and early 30s, you are not valueless.
03:04:52.460
So you guys brought up earlier about how you guys think feminism is hurting everything.
03:05:02.920
Kiko, my own construction goes across the southeast.
03:05:08.780
Brian protects my anonymity with Quizno's story.
03:05:17.140
Don't get upset because $1,000 is not even a half day's wages for me.
03:05:25.640
But calling your girlfriend a nine is outrageous.
03:05:33.940
I'm saying to call your own spouse or girlfriend anything less than a 10 is outrageous.
03:05:41.900
He gave the different ratings for the different parts of the day.
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He asked me to text my boyfriend what he would rate himself on a scale of 1 to 10.
03:06:27.620
If he's the type of man that I would assume from what you've told me about him, he'd be
03:06:56.180
Really quick, Kiko, since he's already gone to the bathroom.
03:07:03.800
Sam distracted you with the question and then dipped.
03:07:20.540
I don't know if they're tense, but they're very attractive women.
03:07:55.920
Like all these girls look 18 or like they're using heavy photoshop.
03:08:14.700
The other girls all look underage or like they're using heavy photoshop.
03:08:25.820
I feel like you could put one of my pictures up there and you could scroll right by them.
03:08:31.900
And it's not because I'm saying, oh, people DM me.
03:08:41.780
Anywhere I go, makeup or not, I'm having at least on a 30 minute outing about 10 different
03:08:58.240
Anytime I go out, I have at least 10 to 20 different women telling me how pretty and
03:09:07.620
The first time I went on this podcast, I called myself a seven, but I've realized.
03:09:15.620
Wait, I have a question I was going to ask her, but now I'll just ask everybody else.
03:09:19.120
Do you, this is mostly for the girls and then the guys can like give their opinions.
03:09:22.200
Do you feel prettier and hotter both when you dress more risque or more modest feminine
03:09:33.440
Like when, like, cause I mean, like this is my thotty outfit.
03:09:38.140
But when I'm in like, let's see a blazer, a cute, like little professional long sleeve,
03:09:42.740
it's like, I, on top of feeling beautiful, I feel like almost powerful.
03:09:52.060
Um, let's, uh, Eric, can you pull up the, uh, the Twitch really quick?
03:10:00.200
Thank you for the big, uh, 20 gifted memberships.
03:10:41.820
Let me get caught up super quick on the soup chat.
03:10:43.860
I just, while you pull that up, I just want to add one thing.
03:10:46.120
Debra, I think modest women, it's so attractive.
03:10:55.540
I feel the same when I'm in a modest, like long dress.
03:11:01.000
But that's something that I think came with age.
03:11:02.840
When I was younger, I felt cooler in a crop top.
03:11:07.640
I want to add on to that, like, something you say that comes with age.
03:11:10.760
Like, as I'm getting older, because I'm still 23, I just feel like I'm about to turn 24.
03:11:14.800
But I feel like in the last year or so, like, my style is, like, ever so changing when it comes to confidence.
03:11:21.080
Mainly because, like, compared to when I was, like, 21 or 22.
03:11:40.980
No, just, like, basically saying that, like, compared to when I was younger, like, let's say I'm wearing, like, a little black slip dress and, you know, like, a little wedge to the club with a YSL bag.
03:11:51.500
But, like, as I'm getting older, it's, like, almost like when I cover up, it's, like, you feel more beautiful.
03:11:56.320
But I guess that's something that comes with age.
03:11:58.140
And, like, I feel like a lot of younger girls...
03:11:59.440
Yeah, like, in high school, you're just going to want to wear what every other girl wears.
03:12:02.540
Like, a crop top and, like, some booty shorts or whatever.
03:12:07.440
We totally don't have to speak about it if you're uncomfortable.
03:12:09.460
But what age did you start identifying as a woman?
03:12:15.500
Like, I never knew the word for it, if I'm being honest.
03:12:18.760
Like, growing up, I didn't know what trans was.
03:12:22.140
So, like, anything that grasped on the femininity, that was me.
03:12:31.020
Literally, my mom and my parents, like, when they would have their night outings that were babysitters would come over,
03:12:36.260
Like, femininity, for me, is something that's always been 100% natural and not forced.
03:12:41.500
So, I believe, I think it was, like, 14, 15, was when I discovered what trans was.
03:12:52.000
And I was like, oh, my God, like, wait, I'm not a drag queen.
03:12:54.820
Because at first, I thought I was a drag queen.
03:13:02.760
And then, I guess, like I said, as I got older, then I started changing my makeup.
03:13:06.640
I let my hair grow out, and I fully started living as a woman, and I was at the age of, like, 18, 19, I want to say.
03:13:14.640
I started experimenting more with my clothing, et cetera.
03:13:22.680
It sounds like you're saying a lot of jokes there.
03:13:25.240
The chat was saying some ridiculous shit, so they were, I think...
03:13:32.360
Sometimes you have maturity to be able to read something and keep it in.
03:13:48.960
Looking at Kiko and the way she behaves slash reacts.
03:13:51.640
It appears she's an actual six, downgraded to a five.
03:13:59.820
Honestly, you guys would have no idea what my boyfriend is like.
03:14:13.340
Getting women who are not ran through in the USA justifies seeking young ones, no matter
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Shut the fuck up when somebody else is talking.
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This entire fucking show, your fucking sidebar conversations with Billy Ray, sidebar conversations
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I'm glad you said that to me because I would have reacted a little differently.
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Getting women who are not ran through in the USA justifies seeking young ones, no matter
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what Kiko or any other girl says, in other parts of the world, you will still get high
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value women until the age of 30, i.e. less than three body count.
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I like seeing my body count because most people assume my body count's like a lot higher.
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But I have a boyfriend, so I think you can assume at least one.
03:15:50.100
Out of respect for my boyfriend, I would never speak about my sexual life publicly.
03:15:55.860
To second that, of respect for myself, I don't think anyone you're not in a sexual relationship
03:16:00.280
with or even in a relationship has a right to know that, and I will happily decline.
03:16:06.260
Not at all, but even if it was one, even if it was a hundred, I still think that sexual
03:16:10.400
conversation should be reserved for the person you're in a relationship with, not the internet.
03:16:14.440
But it's like, don't you expect that when you come on a dating, this is a dating podcast.
03:16:20.580
W's in the chat for Kiko for actually being open and willing to share.
03:16:26.820
I'm the only one who's willing to share, but I have no problem with sharing that.
03:16:32.720
I mean, honestly, I know a lot of people will look at me and how I dress or my bartending.
03:16:37.760
They assume my body count is a hundred plus, so I'm very open with saying that I've been
03:16:41.760
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
03:16:44.760
If that was the case, I just wouldn't even say my body count would kill everyone.
03:16:47.760
I was scapegoats out of it, but I have no, no shame of sleeping with seven men and five
03:16:58.360
It's honestly, Brian, I've lost count, but it's somewhere between 20 and 25.
03:17:11.440
And I'd like to add that I'm not proud of that.
03:17:14.880
That's a product of being on the apps, trying to find a girl, and just kind of capitulating
03:17:24.100
And as a man of God, a reformed man of God, I am looking for my wife at this point.
03:17:32.340
I am, like Kiko would say, a born-again virgin.
03:17:36.120
Allow me to just say, I have been saving myself from my wife for the past three years and will
03:17:41.960
continue to do so and will not be having sexual intercourse until my wedding night.
03:17:58.860
Just you two for this first one, then I have a question for Deborah.
03:18:02.480
Would you guys go, like if it was a reality show produced by whatever, where you guys went
03:18:15.240
I would never go on a date with another man other than my boyfriend.
03:18:24.100
You guys can go to Hibachi, first off, on the house.
03:18:34.720
Well, maybe she's perfectly pleasant on a first date.
03:18:46.920
Me, personally, I'm willing to come to a middle ground and also change my opinions on certain
03:18:50.920
things, so I have no problem having an arrangement with somebody else that differs differently
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Debra, so with the body count thing, you said that it's not appropriate for whatever.
03:19:14.500
If you scrounge up the funds, make it two grand, and then we'll start talking.
03:19:24.600
Would you guys like to see that, like a little...
03:19:36.200
I will go on a date with Kiko for a YouTube video for two grand if you crowd fund it.
03:19:47.300
Okay, so Debra, if let's say a guy you were on a first date with, or it's private, you're
03:19:54.580
not on a podcast, he asked you what your body count was, would you have an issue with that?
03:20:05.400
I think first dates should be lighter and more just like getting to know somebody.
03:20:08.520
I'm very big on like leave them wanting more, only go for like an hour max.
03:20:11.900
So for the way that I approach first dates, I think that would be inappropriate.
03:20:15.300
But in general, if I'm interested in somebody, I want to date them, and they ask me that question,
03:20:22.400
And if that person's going to end up being my husband, there is nothing I wouldn't share
03:20:26.800
But with the internet, I think the society has become way too comfortable posting sexual
03:20:33.500
At the end of the day, you should respect yourself.
03:20:36.660
And you should respect the relationship that you will be in one day and keep taboo things
03:20:54.900
You know, I think I've asked this question to women.
03:20:58.080
I mean, perhaps we can go around the panel on this.
03:21:00.320
If a guy on the first date politely asked, you know, how many, your body count, would
03:21:10.000
And I want to add a point to it once you guys all answer.
03:21:34.900
You guys sit down at the table and he's like, okay, Billy Ray, what's up?
03:21:37.800
What do you want to drink and how many guys have you slept with?
03:21:40.340
I think it really depends on if we've been, if this is our first time meeting and we had
03:21:44.580
been talking for a while and there was like some conversation already established and we
03:21:50.640
And also, if this was leading towards a sexual relationship, I have no problem talking about
03:22:00.120
If I was going to tell somebody, I would never lie or tell them a false number.
03:22:07.400
I think that'd be a weird first date question, though.
03:22:13.420
How do you bring that up in a not weird way on a first date?
03:22:16.020
Well, I want the girls to answer before I give my piece.
03:22:21.460
But Marquavius, by the way, said he would fund the date.
03:22:28.660
So Marquavius is saying he'll drop four grand for Kiko and I to go on a date.
03:22:45.280
He'd be at a table behind us, for sure, though.
03:22:52.340
Brian, the best content of your life would be me, Chase, and my boyfriend at the same
03:23:00.240
My boyfriend would agree with him more than he would agree with me.
03:23:03.560
But we just know how to logically have our differences without-
03:23:06.420
Yo, Kiko, are you trying to convince Chase to do a devil's threesome?
03:23:14.700
Kiko, are you trying to go to Paris with Chase and your-
03:23:31.700
First date guy asks you your body count politely, but he's curious, you know?
03:23:41.400
I feel like it's a big factor in every person's life, especially if you're trying to get into,
03:23:46.340
like, a relationship to know that, like, body count matters, so I wouldn't be offended.
03:23:54.700
If I was, like, liking him on the date, I would tell him.
03:24:00.460
She said body count matters, which is interesting to me.
03:24:06.380
If you met the most perfect man in the world, and then you found out, or same to the girl question,
03:24:10.440
if you not, you didn't ask this on the first date, you go in blind, you're seeing this girl
03:24:15.700
for a few months, you're like, wow, this is my soulmate, this girl's amazing, or guy,
03:24:19.640
and then you find out that they have, like, a ridiculously high body count, like 30 people
03:24:23.780
that they've slept with, would you completely walk away?
03:24:31.480
I see why, I'm seeing why it would be a question, because body count does matter.
03:24:39.100
I would tell them, I don't think it's, like, a first question.
03:24:42.780
I feel like you would have to lean into it, but also I think it depends on how into them
03:24:55.840
Honestly, just like what she said, it would have to be, like, if I'm into you,
03:24:59.720
then, yeah, I don't mind sharing that information, but if, like, you're just being a weirdo,
03:25:05.940
So, you previously described yourself as a certified...
03:25:15.960
Like, you got mad bitches, because you're a certified bad bitch.
03:25:23.420
What do you, okay, wait, wait, let me finish, let me finish, before I answer this.
03:25:37.300
I'm actually, you know what, I'm going to be honest, because when I drink, like, I'm
03:25:41.800
personally, like, I don't like vagina, but, like, I'm down to play with some ass and
03:25:51.760
So, like, I don't know, I kind of get the impression, like, I feel like you got
03:26:03.280
I feel like the older that I'm getting, I'm washing them away.
03:26:27.160
My experiences from dating are way more different than theirs.
03:26:31.500
Like, man, honestly, like, it's so fucking rare that you ever even find a guy that's
03:26:42.280
I'm a fetish to, like, 98% of those fucking guys.
03:26:46.520
So, my thing right now is, like, okay, yeah, sexually, I can probably have whatever the
03:26:56.600
It's like, if I genuinely like that guy, or if I, like, oh, you know...
03:27:07.300
So, like, if I'm attracted to him sexually, like, there's...
03:27:14.660
However, I'm getting to a certain age now, like, a level of maturity, where it's like,
03:27:21.760
I want intimacy, and I want it outside of closed doors.
03:27:26.700
You want something that's not shallow and superficial.
03:27:39.700
That's something that I want long-term, and I'm at a level of maturity, like I said.
03:27:44.960
I don't give a fuck if you're a fucking football player, if you know so-and-so person, if you
03:28:03.080
I'm not going to be, like, cocky, like, yeah, I have hundreds, but I have, like, a good
03:28:06.540
But you said a roster, so, like, question for you.
03:28:08.920
What's the most amount of people that you've dated?
03:28:23.800
No, like, I'll have men, and I'm like, okay, this one's annoying me, like, okay, it's time
03:28:26.920
to clear his ass, and let's bench this person, and I'm right there.
03:28:29.160
Do you meet men through dating madness out here?
03:28:45.000
I don't care how passable you are, I feel like you have to disclose.
03:28:56.280
Like, there's, like, okay, let's say I go out on the guy, and the...
03:28:59.940
Honestly, you know, I'm going to talk about this right now.
03:29:03.980
No, at my job, I had an experience with an old co-worker.
03:29:14.880
But, like, I got offended because, long story short, he basically said that if he went
03:29:19.900
on, like, a date with a trans girl, and he didn't know that she was trans, and she is,
03:29:24.420
like, a fucking baddie, like, I'm talking ass, titties, like, operator, you don't even
03:29:31.420
And he found out that she was trans, he said that he would feel the need to bring out
03:29:41.820
Like, I feel like you can be the most cuntiest, like, fucking bad bitchery, like, passable
03:29:50.100
Some girls, like, it kind of comes into a pride thing, too, with trans girls.
03:29:53.320
It's like, well, I worked so hard to get to my womanhood, and blah, blah, blah.
03:30:00.160
But when it comes to a man, and especially in dating, and this, like I said, this is my
03:30:05.040
And, like, if any other, like, trans girls are watching, or if any other trans girls are
03:30:09.280
watching, any of the dolls are watching, hit my DMs, because if I'm saying something that's
03:30:12.860
misinforming, educate me, because I'm totally open to that.
03:30:16.460
But I feel like when you're one of the dolls, you have to disclose when it comes to dating,
03:30:21.660
because this is how there's things like murders, violence, you know, X, Y, and Z.
03:30:26.020
This is how trans girls, like, end up in sticky situations, nine times out of ten, because
03:30:35.620
However, I will say, though, that being in the social scene, I can walk into a bar, and
03:30:45.640
A man will still go out of his weight, and these are the ones that I'm talking about
03:30:50.260
that are, like, little closets, or whatever you want to call them, and be like, tranny.
03:30:56.200
I've heard the same thing from some of my friends.
03:30:58.980
They're like, if I found out, because I went to Thailand, and they're like, bro, like, the
03:31:06.400
But they're like, if I found out that, because a lot of them are really believable, like,
03:31:10.500
they get their Adam's apple shave down, they get their dick cut off.
03:31:16.760
And I've heard the same thing from, like, a couple of my friends.
03:31:19.660
They're like, yeah, like, I'm, like, I'm swinging if I find out that.
03:31:26.440
This is why I fully always recommend to the dolls, to all of my trans girls, even trans
03:31:33.200
In a tricky situation like that, you have to disclose.
03:31:37.060
Like, even when it comes to dating apps, like, you ask me if I put in there.
03:31:43.040
I'm not going to risk myself fucking being in a situation where something stupid could
03:31:46.540
happen to me over something that, one, I could have easily prevented.
03:31:49.660
And two, because I don't want to spend my time with somebody who's ignorant or doesn't
03:31:57.420
That's personal responsibility that us conservatives love.
03:32:01.960
Yeah, honestly, no, you guys are being really fucking bullies right now.
03:32:05.600
And you talk about side converse and sidebars when you're laughing at her this whole time.
03:32:12.580
I am genuinely, I'm not saying, I'm not being, I'm not being, I'm not going to be confrontational,
03:32:16.220
but, like, I'm all for people having opinions and fully respecting them.
03:32:21.960
But I'm not going to deal with the side laughing because it's not okay.
03:32:25.660
Because I'm 100% open to hearing your point of view on things.
03:32:32.440
I don't think a man of God would conduct himself this way.
03:32:37.340
If you want to go laugh about it in your private doors.
03:32:39.000
Don't project onto me what you think a man of God would do.
03:32:41.240
I just want to say for the record, I respect you.
03:32:48.620
And I think that more trans people absolutely should do that so that we can minimize violence.
03:32:53.060
Because I don't think violence is a good way to deal with anything in this realm at all.
03:32:57.900
And I think what you're saying is good in that aspect.
03:33:01.560
And also, let me just finish something by saying that.
03:33:04.040
I'm not also saying that trans girls only get hate crimed or whatever, violence or whatever, just because of that.
03:33:12.560
They get hate crimes as well because of other shit too.
03:33:27.500
And I also want to state for the record, I don't support violence against trans people.
03:33:40.040
Have you ever fucked someone up who was like, yo, I hate trans people, and they were trying
03:33:44.840
No, if I'm being 100% honest, I don't give a fuck what people's opinions are.
03:33:50.540
Yeah, maybe you come out as delusional, but I don't give a fuck what the fuck I have to say.
03:33:53.920
You think I dress like this and have fucking 40-inch weave in my head and just like lashes
03:34:06.980
One thing you're not going to do, though, is play with me in my face.
03:34:10.380
Don't play with me in my face like that because that's when it becomes an issue.
03:34:13.260
And that's supposed to be for anybody because you know what?
03:34:16.640
I don't care if we're at the club or at dinner or whatever.
03:34:19.260
I'll let some shit slide, but if it keeps on going...
03:34:22.740
Nah, you're fucking playing with me because at that point you're playing with my face.
03:34:35.380
How do you feel like it's changed you as a person?
03:34:39.340
However, I feel like it also made me a little more strong-minded.
03:34:46.880
Okay, so the original point was or the initial question was we were talking about body count
03:34:52.020
and I was basically just going around asking, is somebody knocking?
03:35:32.200
The body count thing, we were talking about, what's it called?
03:35:39.220
Yeah, so you guys all answered, some of you said, maybe it's a little iffy.
03:35:44.100
I'll tell you this, and maybe this is me giving girls a bit of game here.
03:35:48.100
If a guy is asking what your body count is, even on the first date, that means that he's
03:35:53.180
actually interested in you, and he's trying to, like, because if a guy-
03:36:00.340
He's the type of guy who needs to hire Billy's friend for his dating profile pictures.
03:36:05.860
No, because look, if it's important to you, if it's important to you, why, like, I think
03:36:11.840
it's best to get those sorts of potential deal breakers, just get them out on the first
03:36:18.420
Certain things are first date appropriate, and certain things aren't.
03:36:20.720
I hear you, but I think that makes it more like a meeting, and I've gone on one date
03:36:25.860
He's like, would you be down to get married very quickly after you started dating?
03:36:28.860
I also don't think you should wait a long time for an engagement.
03:36:31.440
Also, after you get married, I don't think you should wait a long time to have a baby.
03:36:38.280
You need a connection before you make sure that everything's aligned, and that's the
03:36:43.800
So I think those questions are important to come in time, but I don't think you should
03:36:48.080
just go into a first date and rip out all your hardest questions and types, like, how
03:36:52.300
Those are very important, but if you don't even have that initial connection, it's like,
03:36:56.640
But if a girl says, like, look, if a girl says something that, for example, that is
03:37:01.820
just, and you are looking for something long-term, whether you're a girl or a guy, and for example,
03:37:07.520
if someone says, I don't want to have kids, and you ask, do you want to have kids one
03:37:15.120
But some people might say, whoa, this is our first day of meeting.
03:37:18.660
But why aren't men allowed to ask these sorts of questions?
03:37:27.800
Your body count is things that you've done in relationships, and if somebody's not going
03:37:31.180
to be in a relationship, why do you need to share such personal information with them
03:37:34.520
that they're just going to, like, go and not have any use for?
03:37:36.940
If you tell someone, like, oh, yeah, I want kids, like, that's not really personal information.
03:37:48.080
If I'm going on a first date with a girl, Brian, I'm going to ask her, yo, like, do you
03:37:57.440
All of that, and yes, around here in California, that's going to turn a lot of girls off, which
03:38:04.480
All that's fair game, first date, but the body count question, bro, it's like a socially,
03:38:09.960
we're not allowed to say the word retarded, but it's a socially.
03:38:12.500
It's a socially retarded question to ask on the first date because.
03:38:19.120
Because if a guy says, hey, what's your body count on the first date, the woman's going
03:38:25.220
Like, vet her, you know, find out if you guys have chemistry.
03:38:29.560
And if so, Rose, I'm going to give you guys a tip.
03:38:34.380
Check out her Facebook, her Instagram, all that kind of stuff.
03:38:38.100
If you see her partying and you see her with a bunch of chads going out to the clubs in
03:38:43.000
the past, you can be reasonably certain that she's got a decently high body count.
03:38:47.420
Now, not all women do, but if there are those indicators, you can be reasonably certain.
03:38:52.020
Now, if you like the girl and you guys have chemistry and all that kind of stuff, you start
03:38:57.980
And then a few dates in, if an opportunity comes up where it's not weird, you could ask
03:39:03.640
But if you ask her on the first date right off the bat, it's like, bro, like she's probably
03:39:07.560
going to be like, yo, are you kidding me right now, dude?
03:39:12.180
If she has a high body count, she's going to be really, really like difficult to break
03:39:18.980
But if she has a low body count, she's going to tell you that right away.
03:39:22.040
And because women know, they know that a low body count is like something to flex and a
03:39:32.480
Because if you ask someone on the first date, hey, what's your body count?
03:39:40.960
Then it might be that she has a high body count, but it also might be that like it's just really
03:39:44.880
invasive because you're just getting to know them.
03:39:46.480
I think a lot of girls with high body counts are actually very happy to tell you.
03:39:57.220
The chicks with the highest body counts have been like, yeah, it's 39.
03:40:04.520
I knew that she was extremely interested in me.
03:40:06.660
She knew that I was very interested in her right off the bat.
03:40:08.920
And I could tell she was very modest, had good values, good morals, all that kind of stuff,
03:40:15.660
And this was in the first 48 hours of us talking.
03:40:19.080
So like there are times like if there's sufficient interest and you guys are already vibing, you
03:40:23.320
can ask, but like if you just, it's, it's a socially our thing to just ask right off
03:40:37.040
If you want to be in a relationship with somebody, because if you're just going off a number
03:40:41.800
Everybody should have their own standards for themselves.
03:40:43.800
But like, if your number is like, oh, five or more, I'm done.
03:40:49.520
And it just seems like you're not really looking for the right things, even though you
03:40:54.220
It's just, there's always a way to go about things and there's always a way to deliver
03:40:57.600
That's with everything in life, whether it's political things, whether it's dating, there's
03:41:04.320
I feel like if I was third date question, it's of any date question, if the vibe is
03:41:10.440
there, every girl's different, every relationship's different, every connection's different.
03:41:14.760
If you feel like there's those people that you meet and it's like, wow, where have you
03:41:20.240
I just feel like I've known you for a million years.
03:41:23.080
I think you stay up all night talking about your childhood, body count, when I lost my
03:41:26.500
virginity, all those types of little tiny things.
03:41:29.000
But if it's just like a random girl that you match with on hinge, you meet, you take her out
03:41:33.020
for drinks, you're like, yo, so what's your body count?
03:41:35.200
Like that just makes you look so bad as a guy, even if it's coming from a great place,
03:41:40.700
So I think you can first off frame the question in a better way.
03:41:44.280
I mean, I don't know exactly how I would articulate it, but you could say something like-
03:41:51.900
You could ask like, are you willing to have sex before marriage?
03:41:54.240
And if they say yes, then say, do you have sex outside of relationships?
03:41:58.840
Like I'm somebody that, that is a big thing for me.
03:42:01.780
Like I don't, I'm not a one night stand type of girl.
03:42:05.040
Like I'm physically incapable of sleeping with somebody if I just met them and think they're
03:42:11.820
And I think it would undersell myself if I just slept with a guy who thought I was good
03:42:21.660
And now they slide up on your pictures, like your story.
03:42:25.440
I mean, that's because courtship is reserved for, for ladies, you know, gentlemen and ladies.
03:42:37.540
So a lot of women have slept with 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 people.
03:42:42.820
They're dating multiple people at the same time.
03:42:45.500
You don't get courtship if you're not a traditional woman.
03:42:49.460
And most women are not traditional women and they're dating multiple people.
03:42:53.000
I'm not going to court you when you have three other dudes that you're dating.
03:43:05.760
I do ask that question, but I do care about your past too.
03:43:09.460
Do you ask them, are you open to having sex before marriage?
03:43:12.980
I think that's a much easier question than a body count because usually the girl will
03:43:16.180
lend information like, oh yeah, I had sex this time, but it's important to me.
03:43:20.980
That's a good question to ask because if they're like, oh yeah, I don't think that sex is serious.
03:43:24.600
Because I don't want to wait until marriage, so I'll ask that on the first date.
03:43:27.180
So it's an interesting question too because I know that you don't want to get married.
03:43:30.400
And it also actually leaves me wondering, Brian, like if you're not interested in getting
03:43:36.160
married, why do you care about what the girl's body count is?
03:43:44.720
Because if you're not interested in like a serious long-term relationship with the girl
03:43:53.860
Hygiene doesn't correlate to body count though.
03:43:55.600
Well, so we talked a little bit about this last time, but you seem to think that it's
03:43:59.900
somehow incapable, it's impossible to have a serious long-term monogamous relationship
03:44:10.060
Well, I'm not under the impression that you want like a decades-long...
03:44:15.140
Do you want like a decades-long relationship with a woman outside of marriage?
03:44:21.420
I mean, right now I'm a little on the fence with when it comes to kids.
03:44:35.660
I mean, just the fact of the matter is, is that marriage, divorce is...
03:44:44.520
From a religious point of view, I don't have an issue with it.
03:44:47.400
But with the government, when it comes to divorce, when it comes to the financial ramifications,
03:44:52.560
when it comes to just being the court system, which has a pretty gnarly bias against men,
03:45:12.020
Yeah, just men get destroyed in divorce, and women initiate 80% of divorces.
03:45:25.600
Most, the vast majority of people who pay alimony and child support are men.
03:45:30.040
So it's just all the negative outcomes of divorce disproportionately impact men.
03:45:34.380
So there's just absolutely no incentive to get married.
03:45:41.680
You know I'm a businessman because you find me at my place as a business.
03:45:44.680
I do not enter into contracts that are dog shit.
03:45:49.740
And marriage is a contract, and it's a terrible contract for men.
03:45:59.200
If you want kids, it's still a pretty stupid plan.
03:46:02.060
In states where there aren't no-fault divorce, how is it a bad contract?
03:46:07.860
Prenups are constantly challenged and thrown out.
03:46:11.580
Look, at the end of the day, when you get married, if you have a divorce, unless you're both really amicable, there's going to be lawyers involved.
03:46:20.440
If you, as the guy, you're the primary breadwinner, you have to pay for your lawyer, you have to pay her for, you have to pay for her lawyer, you have to pay for yours.
03:46:41.540
But that's in a state with no-fault divorce, though.
03:46:46.600
But in another state, would it be different where it doesn't have that?
03:46:50.100
Men get destroyed in every single state in this country when it comes to divorce and alimony.
03:46:56.360
It's not 100%, but there is certain clauses and prenups to help you there.
03:47:03.080
I'm curious about the more red states, if it's as bad.
03:47:05.160
You don't believe that you can court out a woman who won't do that to you?
03:47:09.420
You're not saying you have to find someone and marry them right away.
03:47:11.560
What if you're with someone for 10 plus years, you guys are living together, you think all of a sudden you're going to get married?
03:47:15.320
And boom, 12th year, she's going to fuck you over.
03:47:29.400
I mean, if that's your ideology towards it, it doesn't seem like you're too concerned about what your mother's child's position in life is going to be.
03:47:38.380
If you have a child involved, it doesn't matter if you're married or not.
03:47:40.800
That's still going to be a lot of court fees and all that stuff is still going to come into play if you decide to have children, even if you're not married.
03:47:52.800
But I would much rather have to just pay child support.
03:47:55.960
And by the way, I would fight for shared custody.
03:47:57.880
Unfortunately, it happens to be the case in this country and most Western countries that men are-
03:48:05.480
Men are presumed that they are not capable of being capable caretakers.
03:48:12.660
So women are overwhelmingly awarded custody when it comes to custody disputes.
03:48:16.520
So that's, I mean, another component of the court system where there's a bias against men.
03:48:21.060
But I would much rather just pay child support than also have to pay alimony and then pay for, in the event of a divorce, have to pay for her attorney and my attorney.
03:48:31.380
And they're, you know, $300, $400 an hour in billable hours.
03:48:57.000
Look, do you think most people that get married, most men and women who get married, they go into it thinking, they maybe go into it thinking, this is the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with.
03:49:08.700
And then two years later, three years later, one year later, nine months later, they're divorced.
03:49:13.020
They're going through a contested, brutal divorce where they, typically the man gets financially demolished.
03:49:18.880
A lot of people get married for the wrong reasons.
03:49:21.420
A lot of people get married for the wrong reasons.
03:49:24.180
There's a lot of happy marriages out there, too.
03:49:25.820
So, well, I don't want to even risk that as a possibility.
03:49:31.540
You don't want to risk the loss when, like, the happiest you could ever.
03:49:36.520
Living on the other side of that risk could also be, like, the most happy and fulfilled that you'll ever feel in your life.
03:49:41.120
And I don't think there's anything in life more fulfilling than getting married and having a family.
03:49:44.700
And nothing on this earth, I feel like, could match that.
03:49:47.740
But I do understand that not everybody wants that.
03:49:52.200
And we're in a different age when everybody needs that.
03:49:54.240
But I do absolutely believe that that is the highest level of fulfillment and achievement that a man and woman can accomplish.
03:50:00.960
Sure, marriage is two people staying together under threat of lawsuit from the other.
03:50:10.340
Guys, guys, marriage, I would counter that by saying marriage is two people coming together, making vows to one another that they take very—
03:50:20.520
Most marriages end in divorce, I'm pretty sure, so.
03:50:23.700
You shouldn't be bringing kids into this world without it.
03:50:26.260
That's why I'm saying a lot of people don't take those vows seriously.
03:50:29.940
But people who do actually take those vows seriously, like, it is till death do us part.
03:50:34.660
And, like, I'm going to be there for you no matter what happens.
03:50:40.840
But how many people say, even in romantic relationships, I will love you forever.
03:50:59.220
You said, and I agree with you, marriage ought to be till death do us part.
03:51:05.760
If I were to marry a woman, it has to be till death do us part.
03:51:11.780
If I say till death do us part, I mean that shit.
03:51:22.840
And part of the value in marriage historically has been having a ceremony in front of all of your friends and families and loved ones where both of you guys are making this commitment.
03:51:33.420
And there is an element of honor that comes into it where you're saying, I promise to take care of you and be with you for the rest of my life.
03:51:41.640
And you're making that promise in front of everybody that you know, right?
03:51:47.300
And there's accountability for both people because you're making that promise in front of your spouse's entire friends and family.
03:51:53.600
And they know, you know, if you cheat on her or you screw up in the relationship, you're accountable not just to the person that you're marrying, but to all of the people in your family and hers that you made those promises in front of, right?
03:52:06.860
That this is something like this is this has been something that's been really interesting for me to observe as a wedding photographer because I'll shoot weddings where people will do these tiny little ceremonies at like the courthouse here in Santa Barbara.
03:52:18.880
And it's just them in front of an officiant and then they get married and that's it, right?
03:52:22.580
It's a totally different vibe in comparison to like watching your wife, your future wife walk down the aisle with her father and him passing her off to you and trusting his daughter to you.
03:52:35.720
And then the handshake that happens between you and your wife's father and him looking you in the eyes and hugging you.
03:52:43.540
Even the asking for the hand in marriage part, asking for the father's blessing.
03:52:46.720
Like there's so much honor and trust that goes into all of it and that that is something that is like it's so valuable because if you just tell a person, yeah, I love you and I want to be with you forever and that's one-on-one that doesn't mean squat.
03:52:59.860
But if you say that in front of everybody that you know and love and they can all hold you accountable to it, there's a lot of value in that, man.
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And there's deep shame and dishonor in breaking that.
03:53:10.780
You guys look at me as a scallywag and I'm telling you right now, if I get married, the only way it's ending in divorce is if he's physically harming me or something.
03:53:20.100
I would, once I'm married, I say those vows, we're going to figure it out.
03:53:24.320
Here, Chase, let me just respond to what you said.
03:53:25.860
If we have kids especially, we're figuring it out.
03:53:28.920
Everything that you just said sounds beautiful, sounds great.
03:53:34.800
You said the father walks her down the aisle, she's in the dress, there's the handshake or whatever you said.
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All that stuff happens and yet what do we have?
03:53:49.300
You said there's shame, you said there's stigma.
03:53:51.020
There is no longer a societal shame for people that get divorced.
03:53:57.080
In fact, a girl need just go to one of her girlfriends and just say, hmm, I'm having, it's kind of, we're having some disagreements.
03:54:06.560
The girlfriend's going to be like, divorce him.
03:54:12.020
Because most therapists are steeped in feminism.
03:54:22.260
So all that stuff you said, all the things, first off, the social stigma in the U.S., in most Western countries, non-existent.
03:54:34.420
I mean, unless you're in like very, your whole circle.
03:54:45.800
I don't know a single, I was raised a Catholic, I don't know a single divorced couple.
03:54:49.140
Because how many Christians and Catholics get divorced?
03:55:08.500
But when people are, they actually take their faith seriously and they regularly attend church
03:55:14.900
and they're actually serious about their faith in God, like the statistics that we pulled
03:55:19.400
up before, these are people who aren't actually serious about their faith in God.
03:55:22.820
When you have people who are actually serious about their faith in God and they're making
03:55:26.060
that commitment before God and they know that they will be held accountable to it before
03:55:33.260
And when you factor those things in, the divorce rates, yes, the divorce rates are much lower.
03:55:38.080
Somebody sent me stats about this in my Instagram yesterday.
03:55:40.240
Somebody wrote a book about this and divorce in the Christian church.
03:55:43.020
When you have people that actually take their faith seriously, it's very low.
03:55:50.860
Just based off like numbers, like if we can't, I can't even name a single couple from my
03:55:54.780
school of 400 kids that was divorced at my Catholic school.
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I think you're part of the problem if your view is that pessimistic.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, wait, I totally understand.
03:56:10.400
Chase, hypergamy does not care about a woman's godliness or her piety.
03:56:20.040
Hypergamy still exists as an aspect of human nature, but there are women out there with
03:56:27.200
But, but who actually, women, women in the U.S., I guess what I want to eventually get
03:56:32.220
to is that you, women are incentivized to basically, there's a, there's a, such a major financial
03:56:48.680
And look, as a man, you should never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for
03:56:55.260
No sane, informed man would or should sign that contract.
03:57:00.440
As a businessman, it is one of the worst contracts you could possibly sign in your entire life.
03:57:07.840
If you're marrying a true feminine woman though, like if you're, if you're marrying a true
03:57:11.240
feminine woman who's in touch with everything and motherhood, she would do everything in
03:57:14.740
her possible being to make sure that she could keep her family together for her kids.
03:57:19.200
A true woman who's has the right values, the right head on her shoulders, you will be able
03:57:23.980
to tell that is not, there's no incentive to divorce.
03:57:27.200
When I think of divorce, cause I'm going to have kids by that point, right?
03:57:29.540
I'm, I've planned to have kids very soon after marriage.
03:57:31.900
The worst thing in my mind would have to make my kids go between homes.
03:57:37.020
I also wouldn't want them to be raised in a toxic household where we don't love each
03:57:43.040
If, if you're someone, if you're marrying someone who's like thinks that divorce is a
03:57:47.500
positive outcome for them, you really, really miss the mark on who you're marrying and you
03:57:52.720
miss a lot of red flags throughout that dating process.
03:57:56.320
Maybe you were too worried about not saying the person is a joke, it's mostly a joke.
03:57:59.460
Maybe you're too worried about her height and her body count and other things instead
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of her morals and morality because she wouldn't do those things.
03:58:05.400
There's no, there's, there's no sensible woman.
03:58:08.720
Divorce is not some outlier occurrence that rarely happens.
03:58:14.320
Maybe to you, but how chase, I would run out of every two women stays in the relationship
03:58:24.300
The guy has to give the get to allow them to divorce.
03:58:26.980
And if he divorces her, it's a contract that only the guy can give the get.
03:58:33.080
What's the divorce rate in the Jewish community?
03:58:35.060
I don't know off the top of my head, but there are people who get divorced.
03:58:37.440
There's people who rush into marriages and get divorced, but we have social pressure
03:58:42.920
With Judaism, are you talking like, are you Orthodox Jew?
03:58:46.980
But there's a lot of Jews are secular, and then there's a...
03:58:51.060
If you have a Jewish wedding, you sign a get no matter what.
03:58:55.660
I totally agree with you keeping the government out of marriage, so...
03:59:14.780
I mean, Christians and Catholics can get out of their marriages, but you basically just...
03:59:21.020
With Judaism, we believe that you can never leave Judaism.
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If you're a Jew, you can convert to another religion.
03:59:30.240
Outsiders can say, well, you're always this religion.
03:59:33.780
However, as an individual, there's no law that is forcing you to stay in a marriage.
03:59:41.520
So, I mean, you say there's a get, you say there's...
03:59:44.700
It's a contract that if the man leaves, it says in the contract, you sign it, you're at
03:59:50.620
If you break the contract, the man is responsible.
03:59:54.340
Okay, if a woman wants to divorce a man in the Jewish community, she cannot get remarried,
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and a rabbi will not remarry her if she does not have the get from her previous relationship.
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I think your problem might be that the government is so heavily involved in marriage, and that's
04:00:09.080
a big thing where I separate that, especially when it comes to, like, gay marriage and things
04:00:13.440
To marriage, me, if my rabbi marries me in the eyes of Hashem and under God's, like,
04:00:19.400
It doesn't matter what the government says, we're married.
04:00:21.220
And you can become an apostate and then get out of your marriage.
04:00:27.580
Let's ask a productive, clarifying question here.
04:00:32.560
So as a woman with religious convictions, who, it sounds like you will never get divorced,
04:00:42.160
By your own choice, will you, can you confidently say you will never get divorced after getting
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As long as he doesn't cheat or beat you or anything like that.
04:00:50.580
Yeah, if nothing goes wrong in the marriage, I think there's always hard times in marriages.
04:00:55.320
I'm a very loyal person, but I think it's also like you plan and God laughs in that sense
04:01:00.180
of like, I have this dream of what I would like.
04:01:02.780
I would love to be like my grandparents, married for 70 years, since you're young, committed,
04:01:08.880
But it also is a messed up world, and I am a realist in that sense.
04:01:12.460
And I know that things come in, but if it was just like, I don't like him anymore, no,
04:01:18.320
So like, everybody has a dream about how their marriage is going to go.
04:01:20.940
Everybody wants to live happily ever after and like, have just the best marriage
04:01:28.440
Like, let's imagine, you know, you said that you like strong masculine men, and you want
04:01:32.920
a man who is strong enough to actually lead you.
04:01:35.860
Let's say you marry a man, and you guys fall on hard times.
04:01:40.660
Maybe some terrible accident happens, and his nuts get chopped off.
04:01:44.160
And like, all of a sudden, his body has stopped producing testosterone, and he stops being
04:01:47.500
like the vital strong man that he was when you married him.
04:01:50.960
Like, in a situation like that, would you stay with him?
04:01:54.720
Let's say those hard times, you know that they're going to last for years.
04:02:01.660
You can say, I want a divorce, but your husband has to give you the contract that says you're
04:02:05.420
officially divorced, because otherwise you can't get remarried.
04:02:07.540
Oh, so you can just continue nagging him and being a pain in his ass until he does grant
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No, there's a lot of problems in the community, where the communities will help shun guys who
04:02:18.620
don't give guts to people, because it's abusive.
04:02:23.300
Marriage is not between just two individuals and God.
04:02:27.400
The basis of marriage is to have children, and society needs to encourage us.
04:02:34.000
In a situation like that, where you guys fall on hard times, and he stops being the man that
04:02:41.780
Leave his, like him potentially wanting to get divorced out of the equation.
04:02:47.880
I think the biggest factor in that moment, everyone would want, I think everyone would
04:02:51.880
want to be like, yes, of course, but I think the biggest factor would be if we had children
04:02:57.020
That is extremely important to me to procreate and be a mother, and if I was no longer able,
04:03:02.140
if this guy was no longer able to make me a mother, that is a goal that is my biggest
04:03:07.240
So I would go pursue that goal, and I don't think because certain things happen that you
04:03:11.760
should give up your biggest goal in life to pass on your genetics.
04:03:16.000
You're saying if that dream of becoming a mother became compromised after marrying this
04:03:21.720
Yes, because being a mother is like the one day, God willing, not right now, but that is
04:03:25.840
I feel like why I was put on this earth, to leave my mark, to make it a better place,
04:03:29.140
but also to raise children, raise them to be good members of society, teach them the ways
04:03:33.720
of the world, and if I wasn't able to do that, I would probably reconsider.
04:03:38.240
That's a reasonable dream to have, but you're kind of proving Brian's point, which is like
04:03:43.020
it's till death do us part as long as things go the way that I really want them to go.
04:03:47.240
Well, if a freak accident happens and somebody's half their body gets chopped off, those are
04:03:50.900
things that aren't general, and I think you have to treat it when it happens.
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Till death do us part in sickness and in health.
04:04:02.240
I'm kind of black-billed right now by this answer.
04:04:04.120
It would be God's will if you married a man and he was in some catastrophic accident
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It is God's will that you do not have children.
04:04:16.060
I think this is the same thing, like trying to justify abortion with certain things where
04:04:22.620
These are such extreme 1% of 1% that like this isn't...
04:04:26.800
The average guy is not getting his balls chopped off in a freak helicopter crashing into him.
04:04:35.300
So I think if you gave me like a general situation, maybe.
04:04:38.020
But what if you married a guy and like there wasn't some freak accident like that and he
04:04:45.920
We probably covered that he was fertile or not before that.
04:04:50.460
But if you want kids, I think a guy would know if he was fertile or not before getting
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I don't know how guys know if they're fertile or not.
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We've got all sorts of things that are compromising.
04:05:01.600
We've got all sorts of things that are compromising fertility in both the sexes.
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And it's like, you know, he might be fertile before you marry him.
04:05:09.760
He might develop a condition or something within a few years of you guys marrying if his ability
04:05:18.940
I think these are such one-off cases that it's hard to like give such a strong yes,
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because like, these are such freak random things.
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You say, well, let's assume he was just infertile the entire time.
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He never tried to have a kid with another woman.
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He didn't try to have kids with you before marriage.
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I don't know what the infertility rate is amongst men, but it's not so much of an outlier as
04:05:54.120
So here's an interesting way to flip the situation.
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What if you guys got married and God forbid, hypothetically, you found out that you were
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That's not just something that you just find out.
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As a woman, I would know if I lost my period, if I...
04:06:16.840
You go through changes and you would know that's not something where you're like, you
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wake up and you're like, oh, I guess today is not the day anymore, you know?
04:06:22.220
But you could have your period and not be fertile.
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Aren't there a lot of women who still have their period and they're not fertile?
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I don't know, but honestly, the problem with fertility and all that stuff is tough because
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Without flipping it to the positive side, I hope everybody is able to have the kids they
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want and I hope nobody has to deal with the struggles of infertility because it's very,
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So hopefully God blesses us all with abundance.
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I just want to say, I know it is negative, but these are valuable, hard questions to ask
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because, look, in my opinion, I disagree with your take because I take that vow before God
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And, like, if my wife became bald or if she became fat or, like, you know...
04:07:24.200
For me personally, I'm still making a vow before God that, like, I have to honor.
04:07:29.340
And, like, I just wish more of our society was, like, on board with that because if we
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were, we wouldn't have such high divorce rates.
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I really just hope I don't run into that, honestly.
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You'll be a lot happier if you find a nice woman to marry and have children with.
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See, well, women have an incentive to say that because...
04:08:03.100
What incentive do I have to stretch my whole belly out, ruin my whole figure?
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I said, I don't want to have a side conversation.
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I don't think I proved his point because I'm not saying, oh, I found something out.
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Yeah, I dip in a second, never think about it twice.
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And I think it's not a black and white thing where it happens on the daily.
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I'm saying if a freak accident happened and you're, for me, fertility is the biggest thing,
04:08:28.660
procreating, if that was no longer an option, that is a very unique situation
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rather than like if he cheats on me or if I just don't like him that much.
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But here's my concern a little bit about what you said, and I think Chase is sort of echoing
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You seem like you have your head on your shoulders pretty well.
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But, and yet, though, you don't have this gung-ho-ness when it comes to marriage that
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I would expect from someone who is godly and who is pious.
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And so that almost reinforces my position that marriage is a risky proposition for men.
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Like, it is till death do us part in sickness and health.
04:09:20.760
Death do us part, but you're like, well, you know.
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You're like, well, what if a helicopter drops out of the earth and cuts his body in half?
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If you just asked me if I would stay committed to my man for the rest of my life, absolutely.
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But you guys threw out, like, what if he gets hit by a truck and then his arm is stuck to
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his ear the rest of his life and then he can only touch you like this?
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You guys gave me the most whack situation ever.
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Give me a normal situation and, like, but also it is a risk.
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And I do think that, like, marriage within my community is very different.
04:09:54.040
I have a lot of friends that got married young and I've seen a few people divorce, which
04:10:01.400
I think that you should do every single thing that you can in your power, especially if
04:10:06.640
you have kids, to keep that family unit together because the nuclear family is the basis of
04:10:11.080
And I think the decline in the nuclear family is responsible for the majority of issues
04:10:16.840
And it leads us to this question, who's more to blame for the downfall of society, men or
04:10:20.680
So let me, I just pulled up a stat here on male infertility.
04:10:24.240
So apparently male infertility affects approximately 7% of all men.
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And then, but in humans, it accounts for 40 to 50% of infertility and something like
04:10:39.400
15% of couples struggle when it comes to conceiving or so.
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And to push it even beyond the infertility point, yes.
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I mean, it was a, it was a crazy scenario that I was proposing.
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However, like, you know, you, you clearly articulated that your dream is to have kids
04:10:56.440
and become a mother, which is an honorable and worthy dream to have.
04:11:02.000
Uh, with that in mind, like it doesn't have to just be a helicopter chopping off his balls.
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He could also like, you know, you guys could get married and in a couple of years he could
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And it could be the kind of diagnosis where like he's sick, but he's going to be sick
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Might compromise his ability to provide a bit, you know, especially provide for the
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That's exactly what, that's how I feel about it.
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That I would be kind of like, um, I don't know what the best way to describe it.
04:11:40.260
Like I would be grateful to be able to support somebody I love that much in sickness.
04:11:44.740
Like if somebody, even my friends, when they're sick, I really enjoy helping them, making
04:11:49.860
So to be there for your spouse, your partner, your other half, you become one flesh when
04:11:56.300
And if in that situation, cancer, we've had, I have a lot of family friends who've had
04:12:04.140
But if you can no longer have kids, okay, then maybe it's my plan to adopt and give some
04:12:08.220
child who was given up by their parents the best life that they've ever had and could
04:12:13.380
And that's why I was just like, you guys, the example you're giving me is so freaking
04:12:17.400
Like if nothing's wrong with him, except he lost half his body, I don't know, you know,
04:12:28.080
Let me do, let me try to get a couple of soup chats and actually, you know, uh, yeah, I
04:13:01.400
Once they see what I have, they want my luxury car and they're not focused on natural connection.
04:13:11.880
I just want to say, dude, for the, for the guys out there who have money, like one
04:13:15.960
of the most interesting experiments that guys in your position could do is like buy like
04:13:24.180
On your Instagram and social media, not with your luxury cars, not with your nice house,
04:13:34.560
They're going to, if they, if they see that you have money, you know, that's going to,
04:13:38.380
uh, confound the women that are interested in you.
04:13:41.540
You're not going to know if they're interested in you for your money or your personality,
04:13:44.080
but if you're flexing your, your shitty old pickup truck and none of your, uh, wealth,
04:13:49.500
you know, then you'll know who the real ones are.
04:13:55.940
Your problem is you're spending time writing out all your personality traits and best qualities
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Any man who's doing that is not going to find a high value woman.
04:14:07.600
Are you, are you talking shit on shit on the super chatters?
04:14:10.940
To list every single one of your best qualities on a podcast.
04:14:14.240
He's just saying it makes it hard to find women.
04:14:16.800
I know, but the way the, how long the list went on, if like my example, like if he would
04:14:22.140
have been like, I'm a pretty well off man and I struggle finding someone because they,
04:14:27.560
But somebody who feels the need to list every single one, six bedroom household, five cars,
04:14:32.940
You're overcompensating for something that that's, he's trying.
04:14:36.760
And what, what it seems like to me is that's what he's shoving in everybody's face.
04:14:40.420
So of course, if that's what you're shoving in everybody's face, that's the woman you're
04:14:43.120
going to attract is the woman who only wants to use you for your materialistic items.
04:14:49.560
And you may have a point because if you look at his profile picture right there, it is
04:15:00.740
And so he, perhaps he is taking that approach and like, however, however, yes.
04:15:07.620
However, he, he is touching on an important aspect, which is that wealthy men, it's, it
04:15:14.400
It's hard for them to find women who actually want them for who they are.
04:15:21.420
I was going to say, not only that, but like nine times out of 10, like if I see a guy trying
04:15:26.200
to flex some shit in front of me, I'm automatically going to assume, okay, you're broke because
04:15:30.620
a guy with money isn't going to be out here flexing what it is they have because they know
04:15:37.380
If anything, they know it's smarter to not flex it.
04:15:39.780
It's one thing you, when you have money, it's another one.
04:15:42.160
Honestly, Brian, I know you got money, but you're not out here flexing every single dollar
04:15:46.740
You're here wearing a normal flannel and a black t-shirt.
04:15:48.720
So honestly, I would rather be with, I'd rather that than somebody who feels the need
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to be like, no, I have this, I have that, I make this much.
04:16:04.600
I think also he is, sorry, what were you going to say really quick?
04:16:08.000
Just like flexing your cars and your money and all this and making wealth your personality.
04:16:13.820
You're kind of setting that standard for a woman to like.
04:16:17.120
I think any wealthy guy who's got all the things he's got needs to avoid showing any
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There's no reason why you need to be spending a thousand dollars on a first date or dinners
04:16:39.180
I don't know if you're spending a shit time on the dinners that you're taking them on.
04:16:45.400
I took, I was in Paris with, I studied photography when I was in college.
04:16:50.120
I went with my school to Paris for Fashion Week back in like 2015.
04:16:54.540
I met this gorgeous model after one of the fashion shows and I asked her if she wanted
04:16:59.720
She said that she had to go to Portofino the next day.
04:17:02.120
I said, well, next time you're out in California, let's get together.
04:17:04.960
So she came out to California like six months later, right?
04:17:08.240
And the thing about these model girls, you know how it is, man.
04:17:12.960
They've got all the football players sliding into their DMs.
04:17:15.480
I took her out on a date to Chipotle to see what her response would be.
04:17:21.380
And I'd never do this with chicks, but on that date, I made her pay for her own Chipotle
04:17:32.180
She rolled with it and she was so cool about it.
04:17:39.060
That's the kind of move you got to play with these chicks, bro.
04:17:41.300
You can't be dropping hundreds on dinners, taking them out to the nicest steak dinners.
04:17:52.500
Or don't tell men to make their women pay for Chipotle.
04:17:54.180
I'm not, yeah, I'm not, I'm not telling dudes, I'm not telling dudes to take their girls
04:17:57.980
out to Chipotle and to make them pay for the dinner.
04:17:59.920
But what I will say is it is an excellent vetting technique.
04:18:04.860
Ivan, your problem is that you're leading, you're leading with your wealth.
04:18:08.580
You're leading with what you think is the most attractive thing, which is your money.
04:18:12.000
And if you're leading with that, you're going to get used for that, my friend.
04:18:17.980
My point is I'm successful and I just want a stay-at-home wife without her needing to work.
04:18:22.360
I think he's, he might be saying here, he has all these things, yet he's still struggling.
04:18:27.400
My point is though, no matter what, even if he's just commenting that to say what he has
04:18:32.880
going on, he wouldn't lead, he wouldn't ever leave a comment like that on a podcast with
04:18:39.860
Maybe, but maybe that's an inaccurate judgment of him.
04:18:42.800
But still, his last comment, I have five cars, I have this.
04:18:45.820
And then now his next one, oh, I have a downplayed car.
04:18:50.040
I think the point that he's getting at is it's hard to find women who aren't, who are
04:18:55.820
not motivated by wealth and who actually want to be stay-at-home wives.
04:18:58.460
And my point is that that's the one that you're, that's the one you're seeking out.
04:19:01.520
I would have no problem with someone who we could, if we lived happily and I could stay
04:19:06.420
at home with our kids, a lot of women would be fine with that.
04:19:10.620
He's attracting those Miami, BBL, sugar baby, used to be maybe a stripper with all the
04:19:16.940
I think you should bring a girl to McDonald's and she should pay for you.
04:19:23.400
Like, bring a chick to McDonald's and be like, get to the register, like, order a shit ton
04:19:28.700
She's going to get, like, a four count nuggets or whatever.
04:19:31.940
And you'd be like, look, you just look at her and you're like, you got this, right?
04:19:36.240
Well, that's not, I kind of mentioned, if you don't know if you heard me, I said before
04:19:40.420
But, like, technically, with my current boyfriend, I technically paid for our first date.
04:19:46.160
He didn't, he was upset by it, but we were at Starbucks.
04:19:56.340
Like, they want a guy that's going to be a guy.
04:19:58.280
If they're a feminine woman, they don't give a shit if you have a ton of money.
04:20:01.920
They just want to know that they're going to be taken care of.
04:20:04.340
And that they can have the kind of lifestyle that they want, which is pretty basic.
04:20:07.280
Like, I think, honestly, there are very few women that are looking for, that are gold
04:20:17.580
You have to be doing something for gold diggers to be attracted to you.
04:20:24.200
But if you're leading with that as your only thing, then you're going to get that.
04:20:28.160
Like, that's not attractive to me, but I'll definitely be attracted to a gold digger.
04:20:31.440
Yeah, it's like, if you want to find, like, someone that's funny, like, be funny.
04:20:34.220
If you want to find someone that's going to be, like, compassionate and genuine, be genuine.
04:20:39.040
Don't lead with someone that's going to use you for the stuff that you think they want.
04:20:43.800
Madison, did you, did you pay for your boyfriend on your first date?
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Like, I don't mind, like, paying for his things.
04:21:29.840
I don't know where I'm, these cringe questions.
04:21:34.560
Then our last thing to react to, then we're going to wrap.
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If you're feeling adventurous, thank you for the raid, man.
04:21:55.260
So guys, twitch.tv slash whatever mods, if you can spam in the chat a little bit, the link.
04:22:20.320
Is this, is it, is it true, you know, that you guys want a werewolf to take you in the middle
04:22:25.740
of the night, back to his lair, ravage you within an inch of your life, and then leave
04:22:31.440
you so that you can be alone and think about if he loves you or not?
04:22:51.000
Yeah, I was like, I got my Twilight fantasy out of me when I was like 8th grade and it's over.
04:22:55.700
Alright, alright, just ask, did that go the way you thought it would?
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Honestly, I thought that they were going to be like, yeah.
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Whoever taught red pills the term 304, please, I really wish nothing but the worst upon you.
04:23:08.300
It just means hoe, and you guys overuse it so much.
04:23:11.000
It's not just supposed to be hoe, it's supposed to be a prostitute out walking the street.
04:23:32.940
Like, actually selling their coochie on the street.
04:23:35.420
Yeah, you can say it's for money, but there's hella 304s in the 805.
04:23:49.460
Were you not singing Kiss Me Through the Phone by Soldier Boy?
04:23:52.780
Kiko 304, it's fine, but I feel like you guys are using this word and I don't even know
04:24:13.540
We need to get her to walk off again before the end of the show.
04:24:17.380
My boyfriend's going to be very upset if I'm not home by midnight.
04:24:25.620
Here's the last thing that we are going to react to.
04:24:34.000
You and Kiko, Chase and Kiko, had a very viral moment back in November.
04:24:59.140
Start cutting the checks for Kiko and Chase, Brian.
04:25:01.080
Yeah, he needs us more than we need him, right?
04:25:03.760
I guess you guys are coming for the royalties now.
04:25:07.020
So, we're going to react to the clip that went insanely viral.
04:25:15.080
Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Pornhub, even, it got on there somehow.
04:25:24.120
Ben Shapiro now, honestly, it's really annoying.
04:25:26.220
He just keeps clipping my photo into all of his thumbnails, and it's not even me.
04:25:32.360
Sorry, but it's really weird to, like, you, like, it'll be my face in the thumbnail, and
04:25:39.720
I would go to war for Ben Shapiro in a heartbeat.
04:25:50.200
If we use Kiko in the thumbnails, we're going to get clicks.
04:25:52.740
And if we get clicks, then we're going to get content.
04:25:58.020
My followers were sent to me, like, you said WAP.
04:26:01.420
Do you remember Ben Shapiro read WAP on his podcast?
04:26:08.000
I didn't know who Ben Shapiro was until last week.
04:26:11.740
I didn't know who Ben Shapiro was until he used my photo, and then people were sending it
04:26:21.140
Ben Shapiro first went viral for, like, denying transsexuality on a podcast, or, like, a video
04:26:27.320
And then the trans person that he was sitting next to, like, I think it was, like, a former
04:26:33.520
Like, don't you say that one more time, young man.
04:26:36.180
And he was like, wow, that's, like, mildly violent or something.
04:26:39.240
He said, he was like, don't say that again, or I'm going to send it, you're going to be going
04:26:45.840
And he was like, well, that was mildly violent for a debate.
04:27:04.000
Before you press play, just, I ask everyone to pay attention.
04:27:06.920
Just be quiet so that we can hear it come through.
04:27:09.800
Chase, would you rather smash the hottest trans woman in the world or the oldest woman in
04:27:17.040
The oldest woman in the world, because then I wouldn't be gay.
04:27:22.920
You really just want me to just rip you a fucking nail on.
04:27:26.540
Are you like, Chase, how dare you be transphobic?
04:27:33.940
Because if I had sex with a trans woman, I'd be having sex with a biological man, and I
04:27:41.360
Because I'd be gay if I had sex with a biological man.
04:27:44.460
And I don't care if you're doing this for, like, whatever, but, like, shut the fuck up,
04:27:54.240
Because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
04:27:56.540
I'm trying to be a part of something that's going to say should let it not be true.
04:28:12.920
If you guys want to respect gender identities, that's his, though.
04:28:22.540
From a biological woman who doesn't even have any trans friends, that was
04:28:43.400
Who knew that stating biological facts would make people walk off the show?
04:28:51.840
Is there anything you would have done differently in that scenario?
04:28:55.860
I had to leave because I had made multiple comments beforehand.
04:29:02.840
People even in the show had come and said that she did say multiple times that she had
04:29:09.280
And the show went on way longer than it was supposed to.
04:29:13.000
I wish I would have been able to stay there longer.
04:29:14.940
But no, I did not feel comfortable having a conversation like that with no trans people
04:29:22.780
If you don't want to sleep with a trans woman, that's your prerogative.
04:29:29.380
If you think that if a man chooses to sleep with a trans woman is gay, so be it.
04:29:34.820
I have no problem with you having your own opinion.
04:29:36.480
But you saying comments like that on a podcast with this many subscribers and viewers hinders
04:29:41.940
men who are straight, because they do exist, who choose to sleep with trans women.
04:29:47.860
And for you being some godly Christian man, I think you should learn how to keep your fucking
04:29:51.040
mouth shut sometimes when it comes to those topics, because it's very hateful and hurtful.
04:29:55.360
Just like how you've been giggling and sitting here across the table this whole time.
04:29:58.700
If you were such a godly man who's returned his whole life around for God, you should learn
04:30:03.440
for a little bit more acceptance and tolerance when it comes to these platforms.
04:30:07.380
Honestly, truthfully, if you want to say that shit behind closed doors with your other little
04:30:13.420
But just learn and recognize the platform you have and how much influence you have.
04:30:17.420
There's already enough trans hate and crime out there.
04:30:20.220
You don't need to influence it more, was my point.
04:30:25.840
There's many things I could say in response to that.
04:30:36.520
So if he created trans people, then he did it for a reason.
04:30:40.040
Did he create trans people or do trans people choose to be trans?
04:30:51.620
And then I converted to Christianity in middle school.
04:30:55.220
In the Bible, it's mainly said, God does not give you more than what you can handle.
04:31:08.420
I can look you in the eye right now and say this was not a choice.
04:31:17.080
However, you didn't choose to put a, no, no, no.
04:31:19.380
She said her piece and I'm going to ask a couple of questions so that she can clarify.
04:31:23.600
I'm going to, I will let her finish, but I'm going to ask a couple of questions so she can
04:31:27.420
My questions are, you didn't choose to go on hormones.
04:31:35.380
You don't choose to put on makeup and present yourself as a woman.
04:31:39.980
It's like me asking you like, oh, did you choose to wear that shirt today?
04:31:48.500
Of course, because you know, it looks good on you.
04:31:50.540
That's you, it likes your, that's, you know, everything that you choose to do, everyday
04:32:01.420
Like I like these hair extensions because they look good and because it's feminine.
04:32:10.540
But still like, it's, it's, it's, to me that these choices, there's not like I went, it's
04:32:14.940
not like I went out of my way and be like, you know what?
04:32:16.660
I'm going to wake up today and I'm going to be a fucking bitch.
04:32:24.380
You went, you went out of your way to do those things.
04:32:29.460
I was already doing them from the very beginning.
04:32:36.360
So I'm going to go back to the original question.
04:32:38.340
You said it's my job as a Christian godly man to be tolerant because that's what Christians
04:32:56.940
I will educate you on exactly what the word of God says.
04:33:00.260
In Genesis, it says that when God created mankind, he made them male and female.
04:33:06.060
And in Leviticus, it says for a male to have sexual relations with another man as he would
04:33:13.100
with a woman, that is an abomination in God's eyes and is worthy of being put to death.
04:33:22.580
Can you let me respond if you're going to make a statement to me before you bring someone
04:33:24.740
else into it so I don't forget what I'm going to say?
04:33:26.400
I want to hear what you have to say, but this is correct.
04:33:32.660
I don't know what Leviticus would be in Hebrew because that's how I learned everything
04:33:35.780
in Hebrew, but the biggest thing that we harp on in Judaism is a man should not lie in bed
04:33:40.620
with another man, and then we take that to mean don't forget.
04:33:42.640
Do you guys know that that scripture was changed so many times, though?
04:33:45.640
Let me finish my statement before you start talking.
04:33:47.200
Let me finish my statement before you start talking.
04:33:49.180
Let me finish my statement before you interrupt me.
04:34:09.720
You're trying to educate me on the Bible, but you don't even have your most basic facts
04:34:16.640
You keep interrupting me, but you get so mad when someone interrupts you.
04:34:20.260
You're just stating falsehoods and presenting yourself as an authority.
04:34:28.040
So, what I was saying is the Bible has been rewritten so many times.
04:34:41.980
Like, everything I talk, he's interrupting every word.
04:34:50.120
The Bible has been translated multiple times, and there is proof and evidence stating
04:34:53.820
that most of those translations from those scriptures, they were actually saying
04:35:01.020
A lot of things have been translated because there's so much P word that runs through the
04:35:08.460
Oh, are we talking like it's not in the Vatican?
04:35:13.000
I learned the Bible in the original language that was written.
04:35:15.200
I learned in Aramaic, and I learned in Hebrew, and it's never a child.
04:35:17.880
It's a man should not lay in bed with another man.
04:35:21.580
Like, on sleepaway trips, if we went on overnight, Jews, two guys, are not allowed to even share
04:35:25.280
a bed for a sleepover because it's that serious.
04:35:27.360
That it also even more so means that you should not do anything gay.
04:35:31.460
But the pedophilia in the church, that's a whole different issue, I think, than this
04:35:34.380
specific issue of, like, is being gay right or wrong?
04:35:43.260
I've read things that differ, and even in church, the churches I've gone to have said
04:35:46.720
things that differ, so I would like to talk more about you with that.
04:35:49.540
But overall, my whole thing is, I don't think in God's light would he want you sitting here
04:35:57.640
What they're doing is not affecting you in your life, so why don't you just mind your
04:36:01.840
Instead of spewing hate on a podcast with so much influence on people, let them live
04:36:13.520
Are you attracted to them and it makes you feel some type of way?
04:36:18.340
I'm going to respond to that, but Brian, go ahead.
04:36:20.980
So, I would like to try to direct the conversation.
04:36:24.400
I mean, we can have a theological discussion about what the Bible says.
04:36:28.320
No, before you do that, this is not about me shaming people.
04:36:32.240
This is not about me doing anything like you just described.
04:36:35.660
I stated biological facts, and you have a problem with me stating biological facts.
04:36:41.780
And the facts that I stated is for a man to have sex with a trans woman, he would be having
04:36:47.880
sex with a biological male, which is homosexual.
04:36:53.640
I haven't sat on this podcast shaming people, being hateful towards people.
04:36:59.380
And you sit on the other side, and you're like, you can't do that as this supposed godly
04:37:06.540
It is our job as Christians to align ourselves with the Word of God.
04:37:10.600
It is also our job to, as Jesus said, make disciples of the nations and to share the
04:37:15.940
And you make all these statements about Chase, you can't be judgmental towards people.
04:37:20.000
Jesus told us, we are in this life to judge with righteous judgment, and whatever judgment
04:37:25.680
we apply towards others, we will be judged by that exact same standard with which we judge
04:37:31.080
It's not a Christian's job to just walk around the world and be tolerant.
04:37:34.940
It's a Christian's job to combat evil and to combat falsehoods, okay?
04:37:39.480
And for you to say, oh, it's so hateful and intolerant, and you're trying to shame people
04:37:50.720
That part of what your explanation was, was that the Bible has been mistranslated over
04:37:55.360
thousands of years, and that it's this game of telephone, and we've actually lost the
04:38:01.760
And it's proven to be untrue by the Dead Sea Scrolls, and I highly encourage you to look
04:38:06.660
at the Dead Sea Scrolls, and look at the Hebrew that people have...
04:38:10.660
So basically, what happened was, we found old manuscripts that were thousands of years
04:38:16.100
old in an old cave somewhere in Israel or something like that.
04:38:22.280
And what we found was that they had been saved through time in these clay pots, and it's
04:38:30.260
You should read into how we found these, because some kid was playing around in a cave, and
04:38:33.820
he found these clay pots, and they had the manuscripts of the Bible within them.
04:38:37.220
And what we found was when people much smarter than me and you translated these documents back
04:38:45.240
into English today, and it matched up perfectly with what we have from the Bible right now.
04:38:50.100
There's no way to make a 100% perfect translation, though, no matter where it is.
04:38:57.540
You read it, and it's the exact same text from like 3,000 years ago that they found
04:39:01.700
at the bottom of the Dead Sea with ancient Egyptian chariots from the same story.
04:39:05.560
And a big thing is, like, if you look at the Torah, or the Bible for the English
04:39:10.560
right, if you look at it as a history book instead of just a religious doctrine, it's historically
04:39:15.600
The things that are written in the Bible are what have happened.
04:39:18.160
You can go and find ancient ruins confirming all the things.
04:39:22.540
I saw all the Jesus things, the St. Peter Apostle, correct me if I'm saying it wrong, but
04:39:29.020
So I think it's two different arguments, whether it's like, has it been properly translated
04:39:36.020
Let me try to direct the conversation a little bit because we are getting a little bit into
04:39:44.260
So basically, Chase is saying, you guys said that you disagree with Chase's statement
04:40:03.640
So as a trans woman, there's these things that we encounter.
04:40:21.380
It's like, basically men who specifically seek out trans women for their genitals because
04:40:40.260
There's categories to this shit, and let me finish.
04:40:50.900
When you say it's gay, she doesn't get mad at you.
04:41:38.360
And because you're attracted to her femininity.
04:41:45.000
That wouldn't make you gay to find her attractive.
04:41:49.000
But to have sex is a little bit more different.
04:41:57.580
I know now you're saving yourself for marriage.
04:43:21.380
They do everything to present themselves as a woman.
04:43:25.280
Actually the most expensive thing that they have to go through is getting their dick chopped off.
04:43:38.420
It doesn't matter how feminine they present themselves.
04:43:49.140
You're upset because I know that trans women are.
04:44:01.100
Like they don't feel like they're in the right body.
04:44:07.720
The suicide rate in the trans community is already so high.
04:44:21.820
If they're not trying to trap you into sleeping with them.
04:44:42.000
I don't know what it would be like to wake up every day.
04:45:02.080
I have compassion for people that are in that position.
04:45:09.440
Our society has different philosophies in terms of how we can help people like that.
04:45:13.260
You have like people on the left that want to do so-called gender affirming care.
04:45:17.020
In which people do get operations where their bodies end up mutilated.
04:45:21.860
And a lot of people end up severely regretting it after the fact.
04:45:35.780
I read a story on Twitter a few months ago of this guy who had his penis surgically removed.
04:45:42.020
And he woke up every day and was horrified at the decision that he had made with his life.
04:45:48.040
And the reason why someone like me cares is because this ideology.
04:45:56.100
This ideology is penetrating all across our society and kids are now becoming propagandized with this.
04:46:02.860
The kid that you were talking about would have never thought that way before if they weren't exposed to it at a very, very young age.
04:46:08.520
He just said that he had no idea what that term was.
04:46:10.820
Let me just finish my point and you guys can respond.
04:46:13.820
If you look at the statistics of people that identify as LGBTQ right now compared to previous generations, it is exponentially increasing because it's not just people living their lives.
04:46:25.200
It's kids going to school, public schools, and their teachers telling them, hey, yeah, you can be a boy if you want to.
04:46:31.800
Because people learn that they want to get killed.
04:46:40.260
Kids in that position, when they're being told by authority figures, hey, yeah, you're actually a girl, those kids then are getting funneled towards getting irreversible procedures done and irreversible hormone therapy and puberty blockers and all this kind of stuff.
04:46:54.120
And it completely stunts people's development irreversibly, okay?
04:46:59.440
As soon as you stop off of them, you can go off of them, but it changes people's development.
04:47:03.640
I do research all day on this, actually, so don't correct me on that.
04:47:06.100
I made a video on this for a news company, but continue.
04:47:08.700
The point is it is affecting a lot of people, and a lot of it is propaganda as well, and it is changing people's lives irreversibly, and children are ending up mutilated as a result of it.
04:47:19.840
And on top of that, a lot of these transgender procedures and surgeries do not significantly affect the suicide rate.
04:47:27.320
A lot of those people still are suicidal after the fact, and it's not, like, it's not care that's effective.
04:47:35.960
There should be—I don't think that you should just be, like, one day be like, oh, I believe I'm a woman.
04:47:41.080
And you should be able to walk in and just get procedures or get hormone blockers or get anything.
04:47:44.140
Do you think kids should be able to be propagandized in school?
04:47:49.080
If a teacher is telling eight-year-olds you can be a girl if you want, is that okay?
04:47:51.820
If a teacher is telling kids it's okay to feel the way they're feeling, I think that is important, yes.
04:47:56.740
No, I don't think they should be saying, oh, you need to—yeah, change genders.
04:48:00.200
It's not just teachers telling them it's okay to feel the way you feel.
04:48:02.760
There's also a very big difference, though, in a teacher comforting a kid and be like, you know what?
04:48:05.400
It's not that they're saying, but, you know what? It's okay. I understand. Whatever.
04:48:08.580
But if a teacher is purposely going out of their way to be like, explain that kind of stuff, okay, yeah, I get it.
04:48:14.880
If a kid, if I—for example, me. If I was—let's rewind to 10 years ago when I was like 12 or 11, whatever.
04:48:22.600
Let's say if I went to my teacher or my counselor and be like, you know what? I'm having these feelings, and I don't know if they're right or not.
04:48:29.540
And if she would have been like, at least—I'm not saying—she's not encouraging me, but she's like, you know what?
04:48:35.040
She's not—what's the word? She's not discrediting me either.
04:48:39.100
She's not shaming me. She's not doing anything else.
04:48:43.900
But I don't think it's a teacher's place, and hopefully we can all agree with this.
04:48:46.780
Sex and body images and identification should not be the teacher's place.
04:48:50.900
That's between parents, and I think there's a big problem with the way that it's targeted our children in schools
04:48:56.540
and the way that the government has become the parents for society.
04:48:59.820
So I think there are two very unique issues, and I think after 21 or 18, whatever,
04:49:04.820
if you can go buy a handle of tequila, you can technically, legally do what you want to your body.
04:49:09.460
But should you is a very different conversation.
04:49:10.940
So under 18, you need parents' consent to do any of this, unless you're illegally consenting it.
04:49:15.180
I looked up all day—the last two days, since I knew it was coming back, I looked up this all day and night.
04:49:20.760
There's also situations where the parents can be divorced, and they only need one parent to consent.
04:49:28.060
I would say that's wrong. I would say that's innately wrong.
04:49:30.360
I would think you need a parent's consent, but they're not—I think his name was DeSantis or whatever from Florida.
04:49:39.920
He's making it seem like everyone just going out here and just getting all these mutilations and gender reconfirming surgeries.
04:49:49.280
The only one that is becoming kind of prevalent is double mastectomies,
04:49:52.520
because it's really hard for them to stop that, because it's an actual medical procedure,
04:49:56.780
so it's hard for them to block that from happening.
04:49:59.620
But in order—kids aren't just getting gender-reforming surgeries.
04:50:06.000
I'm not pushing for that to be, but that's not a problem we have right now.
04:50:08.860
The only trans community is, not all of them, of course, but there is a large group of people who are pushing this.
04:50:14.600
Like, the Pride Parade, Ron DeSantis just canceled.
04:50:17.360
He said, you will be charged, it will be illegal to sexualize children.
04:50:23.260
They canceled the Pride Parade, because they said, we will not be able to do what we want to do, which is sexualize children.
04:50:28.580
So I think it goes hand-in-hand, because people know that the children are the future of this country,
04:50:32.140
and if you want to shove ideology down our throats, you do it with the children,
04:50:35.160
and you take away the parental rights in school and parental decisions.
04:50:38.360
At the end of the day, the kids are the most important part of society,
04:50:41.900
and I hope at the very least we can all agree that when you're an adult and you have your own decisions on your own body,
04:50:47.140
you can do what you want and what you truly believe in,
04:50:48.980
but why should a parent even be able to consent to their 12-year-old getting hormone change or getting on puberty blockers?
04:50:55.580
An adult, my mom, could not consent to me drinking a candle to peel until you're 14.
04:51:03.260
You can do puberty blockers before that point, because puberty blockers are reversible.
04:51:07.240
The minute you stop puberty blockers, you will go through your natural biological puberty.
04:51:11.900
The only side effects we know right now is it might affect maybe your cholesterol or your bone density,
04:51:16.620
but you will go through all your puberties once you stop puberty blockers.
04:51:23.220
I don't think, I just want to check you a little bit on this.
04:51:29.320
I don't think so either, but I look this up all day.
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I've looked this up all, please do not discredit me,
04:51:36.520
because as soon as I knew I was coming on, you invited me back on,
04:51:44.720
You will see the changes go away if you stop taking them.
04:51:49.420
Going through puberty at 14 versus 17 or 20 is a very big difference, though.
04:51:54.420
You can't delay a natural biological function, though.
04:52:02.420
Everyone, please, please, please, Kiko, please.
04:52:06.280
There is a larger overarching point here, okay?
04:52:09.740
Which is that 10 years ago, if you spoke to somebody and you said,
04:52:13.660
hey, yeah, 10 years from now, like, a bunch of kids are going to want to become trans,
04:52:16.520
they would have been like, yeah, you're out of your mind.
04:52:20.380
Kids, there's millions of views on TikToks from these trans people that are telling kids
04:52:27.340
Teachers in schools have rainbow flags up on their walls, and they're telling...
04:52:37.340
There's a difference between what you were saying a moment ago, which is, like, you know,
04:52:40.720
if you had gone to a counselor and you had gender dysphoria, and them hearing you and
04:52:44.180
just, like, being like, hey, like, I hear that you feel that way.
04:52:46.980
There's a difference between that and a kid going to a teacher and being like, hey, you
04:52:51.480
know, I have this confusion about my gender, and the teacher being like, yeah, well, you
04:52:55.000
can be a girl if you want to, because that's what's happening right now.
04:52:58.160
And to what Debra was saying a few moments ago, this is a tide that is quickly rising
04:53:03.940
in our society, and 10, 15, 20 years from now, who knows how much access kids will have
04:53:10.980
Who knows how many millions of kids are going to be mutilating their bodies because of this
04:53:16.000
It is just continuing to grow and grow and grow and grow, and it's not stopping.
04:53:20.740
A couple of years ago, the World Health Organization released guidelines for European educators
04:53:25.680
instructing them to teach kids between the ages of 2 and 8 years old about masturbation
04:53:31.840
There is an intentional agenda to push this trans ideology on humanity right now.
04:53:37.780
And you say right now it's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be, that
04:53:46.340
I'm not saying there shouldn't be regulations in place.
04:53:47.560
And how much, how big of a catastrophe is this going to be for our entire civilization?
04:53:54.160
I know you think it's hateful for me to speak against this and be intolerant and all of this
04:54:00.500
The reason I'm doing it is because there are serious human casualties as a result of this.
04:54:04.820
And I speak up against all of this out of love.
04:54:08.880
All of the people that have gotten transgender surgeries and then regretted it and killed
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How about all the people who have been prevented from getting the help they need?
04:54:15.560
Transgenders have the same suicide rate as Jews in Nazi Germany in concentration camps.
04:54:19.960
You can't tell me transgenders in America are treated worse than Jews in Nazi Germany.
04:54:24.720
And the suicide rate is the same before and after gender transition surgery.
04:54:31.480
I don't say this stuff because I want to be offensive or hateful or get clicks or views.
04:54:37.540
And just like abortion, it needs to be spoken with the highest level of respect and sensitivity
04:54:43.560
I can't, like you said, I can't imagine what it's like to be at war with my own body and
04:54:51.540
I truly feel for these people and I want them to receive the care that they need on an individual
04:54:56.820
But when it comes to children, we need to protect children from this ideology.
04:55:00.520
And I think those are two very different issues that get conflated together.
04:55:04.400
Like, oh, if a 35-year-old wants to do whatever they want, that's up to them.
04:55:08.100
But speaking on children, nobody under 18 should be mutilating their body, even if their parent
04:55:14.040
I think your brain's not developed until you're 25.
04:55:17.340
I think a lot of the argument comes from people talking about different things.
04:55:25.580
I know you never said that they should, but there's a lot of people who want that for kids.
04:55:31.900
So where my stance comes into this with the whole children thing is that we never once
04:55:40.300
We brought up the fact about a man saying if he's gay or not.
04:55:47.820
However, when it does come to kids, because it was already brought up, whatever, do I
04:55:52.320
think, do I agree that like transes used to be like in everybody's face?
04:55:57.300
However, I'm also not saying that if a kid comes and asks for help because their feelings
04:56:04.180
are in waste, I feel like those resources shouldn't be shunned.
04:56:19.580
A couple of years ago, transes wasn't about, wasn't, it wasn't so, it wasn't so accessible
04:56:28.180
It wasn't so, it wasn't so easy to grasp onto, in other words.
04:56:32.640
I had to go to therapy for months just to prove that I wasn't crazy.
04:56:36.800
But now it has, you recognize that now it's become so easy.
04:56:39.860
So I recognize that the now, especially now because even, not even just kids, but like,
04:56:45.460
for example, gay men, they see, they see the dolls.
04:56:55.980
And some gay guys will literally transition just to pull straight men.
04:57:03.840
Don't you think that that's like a point, proving his point?
04:57:09.940
Like, I feel like when people do the hormone replacement therapy, it needs to be taken
04:57:14.840
It shouldn't be so easy to, like, so easy, easily to grasp onto.
04:57:22.660
When it comes to the gay men too, it's like, you guys do these things.
04:57:25.880
And you guys want, you guys all to get all these straight boys.
04:57:27.980
And, oh, I have all the straight men, whatever.
04:57:33.300
Those are the people who regret getting the gender-affirming surgery and ass and titties
04:57:38.900
But if they do it for the wrong reasons, do it because you genuinely feel like this
04:57:41.960
and not because you're trying to get attention from the opposite sex.
04:57:46.800
Kind of the original thing was, trying to direct it back here, is Chase said that his
04:57:54.800
view is that it would be homosexual, it would be gay, for a biological man, a biological male,
04:58:08.120
I do not find it gay if a biological male chooses to sleep with a trans woman.
04:58:25.660
Again, I'm not saying it's wrong, but is it gay or homosexual for a biological male to sleep
04:58:32.420
or have sex with, is it gay for a biological male to have sex with another biological male?
04:58:41.520
I feel like you need to answer this because I don't know.
04:58:45.720
If they are a trans woman in touch with their femininity, they are, I fucking can't even say
04:58:52.380
the word, projecting themselves, the female feminine woman in society, and that's what
04:58:58.120
You can ask me the question in as many ways as you fucking want.
04:59:00.100
You've asked me this three times over on this podcast.
04:59:05.140
It's like, it's only gay if they're after their dick.
04:59:07.260
If you want a lady boy who's more of a lady boy who has that, then.
04:59:12.960
If a guy literally was just fucking harassing me because he knew he had a penis, sorry,
04:59:20.640
I genuinely want to deal with a man who can look past the fact that they're like, you
04:59:26.060
You're trans, but that's not who you are as a person.
04:59:34.080
But if that man is solely seeking me out just because I have a penis, no, that's gay.
04:59:40.800
But can't you be a feminine man without transitioning to, I mean, I don't believe in transitioning.
04:59:47.460
No, I know people that aren't, guys that aren't necessarily gay.
04:59:50.140
I mean, I know guys that are gay and very masculine, and I know guys that are straight
05:00:02.580
But he knows that he is not a woman, no matter what he does.
05:00:07.180
No, the way that he partakes in makeup and hair, but knows that he's not a girl.
05:00:12.660
Because, honestly, like, I'm still even learning about all the genders or whatever.
05:00:18.120
Like, honestly, because back in my day, like, I grew up on trans YouTube with the words,
05:00:26.660
Yeah, and Gigi Gorgeous, and Nikita came around a little longer.
05:00:31.580
Because you're a trans woman, meaning that you were a man and you transitioned to a woman,
05:00:36.820
I think that there's something more insidious going on that Billy could probably speak
05:00:41.120
to much more knowledgeably than I can, which is the testosterone epidemic in our country,
05:00:46.700
which I think is a factor in men that want to, that think that they're women.
05:00:52.460
I think that because of the environmental factors, because of the food they're eating,
05:00:57.340
because of the chemicals that are sprayed on the crops and in the environment, as well
05:01:01.360
as many other factors that, like I said, Billy is much more knowledgeable on than I am,
05:01:09.040
And as a man, when I felt low in testosterone, I feel terrible.
05:01:22.160
And my point is that if you were to, what if you were feeling like, you know, what if
05:01:27.440
you're a man and you're feeling like you're a woman, what if instead of getting hormones
05:01:31.100
to affirm what you thought in your head was true, instead you got hormones to affirm
05:01:37.240
What if you got testosterone and you felt more like a man?
05:01:40.260
Do you think that that would make a change in your life versus if you were at a low point
05:01:44.560
in testosterone as a man versus getting hormones as a woman, to become a woman?
05:01:54.160
You know, I'm so much more happier with myself and my transition and comfortable in my skin
05:02:08.720
And I'm very, and I've never felt more at peace and at one with myself.
05:02:14.480
Now, ask me that before I was 19 years old when I started transitioning.
05:02:24.180
And I tried to be, uh, I even tried dating girls in middle school, I remember, but like,
05:02:37.620
But my point is that I tried to live like a man at one point.
05:02:41.920
You tried to, but what I'm saying is that your testosterone levels were so low that you
05:02:48.620
How do you know her testosterone levels where you have no idea what her-
05:02:50.660
But what I'm saying is that I tried to live like a gay man and as a man.
05:02:55.680
What is true about testosterone is that the saying your father was more man than you holds
05:03:01.380
Testosterone levels have decreased, but it doesn't necessarily mean that your testosterone levels
05:03:09.460
But in other words, no, I would have not been happy as a man.
05:03:20.220
But like I said, for a lot of people thinking like that you think it's a choice for us to
05:03:24.560
do this kind of stuff, yeah, technically it is one, but it's something that comes so naturally
05:03:33.080
Like, this is something that came so natural to me.
05:03:40.140
Like, I was fucking stealing my fucking aunt's-
05:03:44.480
I would walk around in her stripper heels because I used to love the feminine-
05:03:51.220
Like, it's something that came so natural to me and it did not feel forced.
05:03:58.380
Being 17, getting my senior portraits taken and having to cut all my hair off because I
05:04:07.140
What felt forced was not being able to go by the name that I wanted to be in my high school
05:04:12.340
What felt forced was having to stand up in front of a Christian church and let my dad try
05:04:17.480
to hook me up with some other little Christian girl there.
05:04:24.700
I'm glad that you feel comfortable now and that you are here with us because ultimately
05:04:33.700
But to get back to the point we were talking about earlier, I don't think that children-
05:04:38.480
I don't think that it's right for children and you agree with that.
05:04:48.980
Final point and then we're going to attempt to wrap.
05:04:58.860
I don't want to be, like, hateful towards people or, like, I don't want to make anybody
05:05:08.780
Part of the reason why I care about this is because you said that you've come back to
05:05:13.520
the church and one of the things that we can obviously agree on is the value of Jesus,
05:05:25.660
And there's a lot of different sins that preclude us from entering the kingdom of heaven,
05:05:33.100
Ultimately, this whole, this ideology that's spreading throughout our society, one of the
05:05:36.860
reasons why I have a problem with it is because many people, they ground their entire identity
05:05:43.320
in whatever their sexuality or gender is, okay?
05:05:46.740
And that identity, they see that as incompatible with the Bible and Christ, and they, a lot of
05:05:52.420
them will go their entire lives without ever even looking at God because they're like,
05:05:55.660
well, God made me this way, so God obviously must have made a mistake.
05:06:01.620
One of the things that Jesus said, people who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven are
05:06:06.320
the sexually immoral and those that are effeminate as well.
05:06:09.820
There's a lot of different categories, idolaters, adulterers, like there's a billion different
05:06:14.800
Sexual immorality, according to Christ and his apostles and God throughout the Old Testament,
05:06:19.700
this covers everything that is outside of heterosexual sex between a man and a woman within marriage.
05:06:27.900
Any sex that happens outside of that precludes a person from going to the kingdom of heaven.
05:06:34.340
Well, my sins have been paid for by the blood of Christ, and I've repented of this.
05:06:45.120
The people who are continuing to engage in sexual immorality, who reject the grace that
05:06:49.800
God gave us, like, they're not going to heaven.
05:07:02.640
But there's a contradiction here between what you're saying is okay and what God said is
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And this ideology will lead millions of people to hell.
05:07:13.900
So, my wrap-up statement was basically I will continue to do this, come up on this podcast,
05:07:24.820
Mutilation shouldn't be given to neither mentally ill individuals nor children as a means to obtain
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Permanent decisions shouldn't be made for all by vulnerable individuals.
05:07:45.880
I don't care how many people want to call me the T-slur, say all the debates of how
05:07:53.660
I will continue to fight for people like Ali who I believe have a right to live the life
05:07:57.380
that they rightfully deserve and feel like they were born into because you know what?
05:08:02.340
I don't sleep bad at night because Ali is on hormones or any other trans woman or trans
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I know how to mind my fucking business and live my life.
05:08:11.220
So I will continue to use my platform and my voice to speak for people who can't because
05:08:16.100
me, my Jesus, I believe in acceptance, tolerance.
05:08:25.520
She can go and repent hers too and get into the gates of heaven as well.
05:08:28.960
So we should all just live our lives, mind our business as long as we're not hurting somebody
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So you're acknowledging that she would need to in order to get into heaven?
05:08:37.300
No, I'm saying in your mind, in your opinion, in your rightful opinion.
05:08:42.580
According to the Bible, she can repent and still go to heaven.
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Yes, but I also just want to add that I don't think it's necessarily just living your life
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If you want to dress and act how you want and live your best life, good.
05:08:57.720
A happy, a miserable individual does not make for a happy society, but there are places
05:09:02.180
where it is affecting people like what you agreed was wrong, that if men are on these
05:09:06.400
dating apps and they match with somebody who does not openly admit that they're trans
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And with women, I am not okay with transgenders using the women's bathroom.
05:09:20.400
Because that is something that affects me, women in sports, women in, men in, women's
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You say, oh, we're trying to go home right now.
05:09:26.760
We have a two hour drive to LA, but this stuff matters.
05:09:32.980
It's giving rewards to people like Leah Thomas who stole from women.
05:09:36.460
It's hurting all these people who are getting into Dylan.
05:09:43.180
But it does affect us and it's not just live your best life.
05:09:46.640
It's live your life and use your own bathroom and let women have women's spaces and let
05:09:51.760
I just want to say you're saying you're going to continue fighting for it and she's raising
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I just want to say it in my women's spaces, but live your best life because there's an
05:10:00.340
important distinction between live your life in a way that doesn't affect people and then
05:10:05.700
Like women who no longer can get opportunities in sports because men are dominating women's
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sports and using the locker rooms and using the gym.
05:10:28.700
And if you don't want to hear it, then just walk out.
05:10:34.140
Look, I'm sure if you hear things you don't like, you're just going to talk over people
05:10:40.240
We're doing wrap up statements because it's 1230.
05:10:44.580
If you want to live a life that doesn't affect people in your sense, you want to wear a dress in
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Like, I'm not going to say do that, but like that is not hurting people.
05:10:54.160
But there is a lot of the trans ideology that is taking away from women, that is hurting
05:10:58.220
women, like women's spaces, women's sports, women's locker rooms, women's dressing rooms.
05:11:04.320
Riley Gaines was just beat up, literally giving a speech about this.
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So it's not just la-di-da-di-da, do whatever you want.
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People are being affected and raising up these trans rights is taking away from women's rights
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But I also stand for liberty and freedom and there is a balance and it's a very thin line
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and we don't just go, oh, do whatever you want, cross the line.
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We need to protect women and also allow people to live liberty and enjoy their freedoms.
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So, honestly, like, I respect your opinion because I'm going to try to wrap very soon.
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There are a lot of things that trans women don't go through that cis women would.
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But with that being said, wouldn't you rather accept women, trans women, into your circle
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to be like, you know what, yeah, like we fight for the exact same things, we fight for everything.
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Like, a lot of the time, 90% of the time, you know, with the exception of sports and everything
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because I'm not too educated on that, trans women just want to blend.
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I just want to blend and be with you guys, you know.
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Like, I want to go into the restroom, be able to use the restroom and whatever, you know.
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Like, I just want, and like I said, I completely respect the fact that I'm never going to be,
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I'm never going to understand a lot of the things that cis women go through when it comes to, you know,
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things that they go through with their bodies or certain discrimination issues, everything like that.
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The same way that you wouldn't understand, you know, like my dysphoria with everything like that, you know.
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But at the end of the day, wouldn't you want to have someone in your corner who is, you know, being like,
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yes, like, we stand for the same, not maybe not everything the same, but similar things.
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And just off the cusp, I want to say that I do have deep respect for you.
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You've come here and you've presented your points and you've held your logic in a way that I agree with a lot of the things that you say.
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And I don't think you have your heads in the clouds.
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I think you, I think your logic is good and solid.
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But in terms of, like, wanting to blend, I understand that on your side.
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But women fought very hard to have women's rights and women's safe places.
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And I don't think someone's willing, wanting to blend supersedes my wanting to be away from a man in the restroom.
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But at the end of the day, I don't want someone who was ever a man using the space that I feel unsafe in.
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In the same way that I would not feel comfortable getting undressed around a lesbian.
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In the same way that a trans man, in that sense.
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So women's spaces should be protected at large.
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But until that happens, you think right now she should use the men's restroom?
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No, let me ask something before you answer that question.
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Wouldn't you think that it would jeopardize my safety, though, walking into the restroom?
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But wouldn't it jeopardize my safety if men identifying as women come into the bathroom and rape women under the guise of transgender?
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For people who are not transgender, there's people who manipulate and they take what you've gone through and struggled through through your life, and they take that to their advantage.
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And they say, oh, I'm going to put a dress on and go in the bathroom and pretend I'm trans.
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And they haven't actually struggled with gender dysphoria and gone through the problems, and they're taking advantage of the situation.
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And that's the women that I'm trying to protect.
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There was a 14-year-old who was raped in a bathroom at her high school, and her dad went by his...
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No, but to even further bolster her point, too, I've seen a number of articles where men will get convicted of crimes, and then they will identify as women right before they go to trial, and then they will get sent to women's prisons, and they will grape the women that are there at the prison.
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I understand that, like, you want to blend, and you want to, like, be around women and all that kind of stuff, but, like...
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This is why I was saying this is not a wrap-up statement, because we're about to unload a whole new conversation.
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Do you want to watch a Tate clip before you leave?
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Like, I was not planning to be here for this long.
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Do you want to talk about abortion really quick?
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My problem is not really even your beliefs or what you stand for or how this conversation
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Honestly, I'm more upset with how you've conducted yourself earlier in the podcast.
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It was actually kind of all of you on that side.
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Listen, Brian, I'd just like the panel to know that I'm all right with trans women in women's
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If it was a way that didn't affect me, I wouldn't have a sincere problem with it.
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I think this may have very well been one of our longest podcasts.
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Even though, like, in the midst of, you know, the craziness and the disagreements, I'm glad
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that we're still able to bring these topics to the table.
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Whether or not, if we agree or disagree, I feel like we all...
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I was extremely worried on walking into a podcast like this because, personally, I've never seen
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I stumbled on one of your videos that was, like, getting...
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I was, like, getting ready for work or some bullshit.
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No, I think it was, like, you were in a taxi or something.
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And I was, like, I have to have her on the show.
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I do not go to the club for fucking mail validation.
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And he was with a bitch who he said he was no longer involved with.
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So, that was why I was crying in the back of a taxi.
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But I didn't know you were trans coming into this.
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So, Kiko and Chase previously had a heated discussion, viral moment, on this topic.
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Like, I feel like a lot of times, too, like, in the past, like, trans women are represented
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in, like, the Jerry Springer terms or, you know, where it's like, oh, well, that's a dude
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And that's what I was worried about because, one, I've never done anything like this.
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It's my first thing, like, my first little social media game.
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Um, and two, like, I was really worried of, like, okay, like, I have an idea of what I'm
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How is the best way that I can represent myself and my community respectfully?
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Like, I don't ever want to, to mush, like, oh, I'm trans, I'm trans, I'm trans.
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Like, I, that's not what I'm about because, to me, there's more to me than just my trans
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I feel like that's what a lot of people forget to us is that there's more to us than just
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And we're more than just a fucking, what our thing is.
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Allie, I want to salute you for having the bravery to come on this podcast.
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Like I said, I'm really glad that, like I said...
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We may not always agree with these things, but at least they're being talked about and they're
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being, they're being discussed about and they're being respected, hopefully, on both ends.
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I was like, what if it's me versus 12 liberals?
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Who the fuck am I to judge, you know, for you on your beliefs, you know?
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That doesn't make you a horrible person, at least for me.
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I can't judge you as a person on what you were raised by, you know?
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And I'm also not going to fucking critique you because of that, because...
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I think it's a beautiful outlook on individual liberty and freedom and respect, and if only
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the rest of the country was as tolerant as that.
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The point that I wanted to make was I want to salute you for coming on the podcast, having
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I thought it was very based that you said, yeah, it's gay when dudes, like, who have a
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I forget their names, Chase, but that's literally what they're called.
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And I want to say, too, I salute you as well for hosting, Allie, because I think one of
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the reasons why podcasts like this are so valuable is because there's this tension that's building
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in our country with these ideologies in between the right and the left and all that kind of
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And I think conversations like this help us understand one another better, and I think
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And, like, despite seeing the clips and, like, being nervous about coming in here, like,
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And I've valued, you know, hearing your experience.
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There were a couple times where me and Chase were kind of giggling a little bit.
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That wasn't cool, especially when you're speaking.
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But if we're having a serious conversation, like, avoid the hate comments because I know
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But, like, when we're having a certain debate, like, there's a time and place for shit.
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And if we're talking about something, like, don't let that shit be a distraction.
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Yeah, I'm kind of, like, tuned into the chat a little bit.
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I want to apologize because it was disrespectful.
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So, but I appreciate you taking it on the chin and, you know, being a good sport.
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Okay, so, I reckon we ought to wrap soon unless you guys want to speak for a while.
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Please let us go and we have two hours to drive back to L.A.
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And speaking of Allie's, poor Allie over there has been giving me the death stares for the
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Like, hurry the fuck up, Brian, and wrap up the show.
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I do want to say to the whole panel, this was a, Debra, I think you, Debra, you're killing
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I'm just confused with the broken fingers on the doll.
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Uh, I want to thank the panel for staying as long as you did.
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This was, I think this is our longest show ever.
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Chat, if you guys appreciated this episode, smash the thumbs up button.
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Throw a W in the chat if it was a solid episode and you guys enjoyed it.
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And subscribe on Rumble so we get that monetization up.
05:24:42.320
Brian needs racks on racks because apparently he's secretly rich, but we don't know it.
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Also, if Christ is Lord, throw Christ is Lord in the comments.
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Also, since we're telling people to throw stuff in the chat, throw, let's see, like World
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Do you guys want to watch a tape video to wrap things up?
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I think they are really trying to get out of here, bro.
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I think they're really trying to get out of here.
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Let's do super chats, and then we'll see how everyone's feeling.
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Ivan Jr., unfortunately, Ivan, dude, I'm sorry, did this come in?
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Her emotions get her lost in ramblings of nothing.
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Quick to shame me on my point, but is a know-it-all on something she clearly hasn't studied and
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I would love to defend the good men that still exist, Brian.
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Yeah, Ivan, sorry that we didn't get this when Kiko was in.
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Majority of Americans rallied for LGBTQ in 2007 to 17 until it was being pushed hard.
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It's the way it's being pushed so hard and friends of LGBTQ being groomed to, quote, try.
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Rather than providing compassion, discernment, support, and biblical love, mental illness is
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And, Chase, do you think, do I pull this up, or is this a little, this one?
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Allie, I know you're a big Tate fan, right, Allie?
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Oh, I got a shout out to Twitch, and then we're going to wrap.
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Drop us a follow and a prime sub on your way out.
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Ali, I know you have a last word you really want to get in, so feel free right now.
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If you want to just drop some hot takes on your bombs.
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I don't have any hot bombs I want to talk about.
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If Jesus loves Ali, write Jesus loves Ali in the chat, please.
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It's hard to think of that off the top of your head.
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Off the top of your head, like, what's, like, uh...
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Were either of you frustrated with the dating scene in college before you met your boyfriends?
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All these frat boys just be doing some shady shit.
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Yo, they have a two-hour drive back to L.A. tonight.
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I'm trying to reel them in a little bit here at the end.
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Me, personally, like I said, I came here with a boyfriend.
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I was probably single for like a week, and then I...
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I think it's very hard to find someone here, so I'm just very glad I did, and I'm really
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happy with him, so I feel like moving here, especially to Santa Barbara, like, that's all
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you can think about, too, is like the hookup culture, but I didn't move here, like, thinking
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that I wanted to, like, be this crazy girl and go out and hook up with all these different
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But I feel like I've moved past that point in my life, and I kind of want to just, like,
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chill out, focus on school, focus on my relationship, like, go to church.
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Yeah, yeah, but that was, yeah, those were, that's in the past.
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You got your boyfriend, you say you're going to marry him, so good for you.
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But I do have my mom's birthday on my rib cage, her, like, birth flower on my back,
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her, the birth, or the year that my mother passed away on my back.
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Does everyone ask you if the 1975 is, like, your favorite band?
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No one really asked me about this tattoo, honestly.
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Isn't there also a song by, like, Smashing Pumpkins called 1975?
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Did we get any super chats or we're good, Eric?
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So, guys, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show.
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There's really strict rules when it comes to monetization, so really appreciate the fan funding.
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Thank you, everybody, for, again, all the support.
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Any, let's see, anyone, women who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.
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We will be live again Sunday at 7 p.m. Pacific.
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We are going to raid Chris, the producer from Fresh and Fit, if you're on Twitch.
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So, I'm going to send you guys over there right now.
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So, I'm going to say goodbye to the Twitch people.
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Goodbye to the Twitch people, and then I'll say goodbye to the YouTube people.
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And then, okay, so, sorry, guys, I'm new to that.
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Okay, so, we will be live again Sunday, 7 p.m. Pacific.
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Guys, I have a lot of exciting guests coming back on.
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I think we're going to maybe get Michael Knowles back on.
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Some other Daily Wire talent is going to be coming on.
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I don't want to say anything specific, but we are in discussions.
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I've got some other big guests coming on, so be sure to stay tuned, guys.