Dating Talk #84
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5 hours and 12 minutes
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200.26273
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312
Summary
On this episode of Whatever Happenings, Brian and Kiki are joined by a special guest, Brittany Vazquez, to talk about how she was born on Valentine's Day and what it means to be a millennial in 2019.
Transcript
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Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell
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us your name, age, occupation, and where you're from. Go ahead.
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Hi. I'm Brittany Venti. I'm a YouTuber. And I make content that sometimes makes people
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mad at me, but that's okay. And yeah. And I have an OnlyFans where you can see pictures
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of my cats. Like literally, I made in the top 10% doing that. Nice. Nice. Okay. I, the
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whatever actually has an OnlyFans too, OnlyFans.com slash whatever. And it features Kiki. So maybe
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we could get a collaboration going with, with Kiki and your cats, do a little OnlyFans collaboration.
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Yeah. Well, one of them passed away. So it'll just be. Oh, rip. Okay. RIPs in the chat
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for Brittany's cat. Yeah. RIPs in the chat. And age, please. I'm in my 20s. So 30? I'm
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37. You're not 37. Come on. Okay. 38. But what's your actual age? I'm in my 20s. 20, 21,
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29. 20 enough. 20 enough? Isn't it? Hold on. Is it? Can I Google this? Let me see. Brittany
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Venti. Brittany Venti age. 26 years old. Oh, you're, you're born on Valentine's Day.
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Apparently. According to the internet, it could be wrong. The internet's always correct.
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Apparently I'm 26 and I'm born on Valentine's Day. Okay. I like that new ID.
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30. Okay. So Brittany Venti is 30 years old. 36. 36, 37. What about you? I'm Sean. I run
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a YouTube channel called Think Before You Sleep. I am in my 30s. 32. Like everything? Oh, and
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just where, did you guys say where you're from? Location? Oh, I'm from New York, but I'm in
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Texas now. Okay. So Brittany is in her 20s dating a 32 year old. So, oh no, but actually
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no, you said you were 38. So she's actually older than me. Yeah. It's like a cougar kind
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of. Yeah. Is 30, is late 30s cougar territory? Are you a cougar? Confirm or deny? Hold on.
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There's a bug here. Nice. That was like some karate kid. Let me get you some chopsticks.
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That was some karate kid shit. It was annoying. Did you actually get it? Yeah, I did. That was
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fucking good. Yeah. Fucking reflexes. Okay. Good shit. Okay. I won't grill you guys too much on
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that. Go ahead. Is it my turn? Yes. Okay. Can you hear me? Is it working? Bro, hello. Okay. Hello.
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Hello. Okay. My name's Anna. I do YouTube. I am a freelance artist for AAA gaming and I own my own
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business and I do cosplay and sell calendars on Indiegogo. Age? I am in my 20s. I do not
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give out information that dox myself. Bro, you guys are dorks. Why don't you guys share
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your age? Because I don't give out information that'll get me doxed. Why would your age get
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you? Birth certificates. Birth certificates. What? There's all kinds of ways to talk. Yeah.
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So, yeah. How about, but, okay. On my channel, I say I'm nine. That's an ongoing joke. That's
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fucking weird. Okay. It's okay. I've never heard, I don't think giving your age would. It does
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because then they would know what year you're born and then they can verify information on
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you. Everyone's birth certificate is public. So if anyone just pays the fee, they can look
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it up. This is now an internet safety class. I know. So, yeah. Just stuff like that. Don't
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give out. But, I mean, couldn't you argue, for example, like A-list celebrities are very
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much, could potentially be subject to doxing yet it's public information. They have security
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though. Do they? I swear to God, J-Lo turned 35 like three years in a row. So, it seems like
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some of them are less. She's 36 now. Yeah. 37. But isn't some of this stuff public information?
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It is. Right. Well, no. I mean, your birth dates is, isn't it like out there? It might
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be. A lot of things are out there. Are you doxing us live on air? How is it doxing if it's
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screen share? Oh, shit. Okay. All right. I mean, it's already publicly available, isn't it?
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I don't think so. No one's gotten it right yet. You said your name's Ann? No, Anna.
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The reason I push back on the age refusal is... You need to know how many eggs we have left.
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Oh, that thing? No, no. I'm in my 20s. But it's just like, okay, if you're not prepared
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to share your age, what... Well, I mean, I'll share other things, but I just don't want
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something that'll get me doxed. But, I mean, wouldn't... I've never heard of someone getting
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doxed because you know their age. It's a thing. Just stay off of Kiwi for them. Wait, didn't
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Destiny's wife not say her age, though, when she was on here? I don't recall. I'm pretty
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sure. Maybe someone could, like... But she's in... Isn't she under immigration process or
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something? Because I know that it can... If it gets out there... If what gets out there?
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That if that information gets out there, you're undergoing immigration, let's say somebody decides
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to, like, steal that identity somehow is just because you're going through the immigration
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process. Like her getting doxed? Or identity stolen for immigration purposes.
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Yeah. I mean, getting your information out there always has that risk in general, too.
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I know because I immigrated here, so that was my main concern was that, oh, like, if somebody
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would steal that, that's an expensive green card, you know, so... I don't mean to sound stupid,
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but what is dox? What is that slang for? Like somebody gives out all your personal information,
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so it's, like, your social, where you live, your phone number, everything about you.
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Like your real identity. Oh! Yeah, so if you know what, like, swatting is, so, like, somebody
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will call the cops and they'll be like, oh, this person at this address is going to do
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this thing and the cops show up and... And they arrest your ass. No, like, so it's... People's
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dogs have gotten killed because the cops think that something's going, so they'll just break
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into your house and try to stop whatever's bad happening. People do bad things, so I just try
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to avoid it. So why do we have a second amendment? I'm sorry, did I irritate you all?
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Depending on the state, apparently. A little bit, but if... I'm sorry. I am just letting
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you guys know if, like, there's any, like, it is a little... I'm not sure if I buy the
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I don't want to be doxed thing because I don't think simply by virtue of stating an age, not,
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you know, I don't think because, you know, you just go 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96. It's such a small metric
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that someone could just, like... Yeah, but, like, using that logic, we shouldn't put locks
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on our doors because they could just be broken, right? What? It's like a deterrent. It makes
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it harder. It doesn't mean it'll stop people, but it does make it harder. Yeah, anti-dox is more about making
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things harder. I suppose, but I question if that's the genuine reason. No, it is. So I already had to move
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because of problems, so I just don't want to go through all that again. Okay, fair enough. I'll let
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it slide, but it, it, my, my hesitation with this is because when, when people are so unwilling to
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share such a basic biographical information... Well, you saw, you saw our... Well, you saw our...
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...information... Oh, no, I'm sorry. Benny Chan donated $99. These no-age beaches are annoying as hell.
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P.S. Maddie is bae. Always have her on Brian. My, my, yo, uh, Benny Chan, thank you, man.
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My concern is just if you're so unprepared to just provide, like, a basic biographical
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information, a piece of information about you, are you going to be, like, having a good
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faith conversation with us and, like, being willing to share other, you know, engage in
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the dating-related conversation. I will, just don't ask me, like, my address. Well, you saw our IDs
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before the show, though. Well, you guys showed me your Costco cards or whatever the fuck.
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I should be, like, on the ID. Here, okay, here, I'll do something. Ask me a very personal
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question, I'll answer it. No, we're going to move on. Go ahead. What about you?
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Hi, I'm Lana. I'm 39. Thank you very much for disclosing your age. Much appreciated.
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You're welcome. I'm an accountant. I am also a mom. And last but not least, I do OnlyFans.
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Okay. So, an accountant. As an accountant. Both types of accountant. Go ahead. What about you?
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My name is Jasmine Jafar. I am 28, and I am an OnlyFans creator as well as a licensed attorney.
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Licensed attorney. Okay. Rock and roll. Thank you for sharing your age. What about you?
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Guess who's back in the motherfucking house? Byronique Barbie! How y'all doing?
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I'm blessed to be in my dirty 30s. I am 33 for about two more months, okay? I am a stand-up comedian. I am a social media content creator. And I am possibly in training to be a school bus driver with a little badass kid. So, what's up?
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Shut up. Let's fucking go. Okay. All right. And you said you're two weeks away from 34?
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Yeah. It's all downhill at 34. Okay. What about you?
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I'm Josie. I'm 27. I'm an unprofessional cyclist. I'm content creator, digital creator. I do computer stuff on the side. Cyber security. Yeah. Stuff like that.
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Yeah. In your pre-show messages to us, you told us that you do some work for your social media OnlyFans assistant and the IT girl, and that you answer DMs on behalf of OnlyFans girls. Is that correct?
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Yeah. And also for guys who have Tinder that kind of have a hard time to hit it with chicks. I've done that for like a few guys.
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Yeah. And I answer like DMs on OnlyFans for girls because they don't have time to do it. So, like I keep it interesting, you know, but I don't really feel like being in the front. I'm a little too, I'm a woman of God, as you see, so.
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Yeah. Okay. And you two have OnlyFans. Do you have OnlyFans? Do you have OnlyFans? Do you have OnlyFans?
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No, no, no. Okay. So, question for you guys. Do you guys have someone who messages on your behalf?
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No, I actually don't. So, I actually do all of it.
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But would you admit it if you did have somebody that messages on your behalf? Would you admit to that?
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Probably not. But I, for me, it's really important to run my page in a way I feel good about and I feel it's ethical. So, I forego probably a lot of income by going through it myself.
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Okay. Yeah, I've definitely heard that there's a lot of girls who have OnlyFans who they have their own management.
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It'll be a dude even. A guy will be messaging with a dude, sexting a dude.
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Yeah, I'm a musician as well. I've done a lot of computer work because I was immigrating here.
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My name is Veronica. I'm 35 years old. I'm a student. And my major is occupational therapist. And I do modeling, like, photo shoots.
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All right, got it. And what about you, Madison?
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My name is Madison. I'm 18 years old. I'm from San Diego, California. I'm a student at Santa Barbara City College studying econ and accounting.
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By the way, we were going to have Sophia, who was on the show about two weeks ago.
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So, she, at 6.50, we aimed to go live at 7.00. She said she was going to be here soon. She's messaging chat. So, I'm leaving this up to chat.
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She messaged me just now at 7.15, saying she was here. Keep in mind, we ask people to be here at 6.00 p.m.
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The show, we try to start the show at 7.00. Do we, do we go get her, chat? Or is it, I mean, because the table's full. We sat Madison down.
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So, chat. Oh, Nick, is there, can you pull up the, by the way, we are going to do a burping contest later on. Be sure to stay tuned.
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No, we're not. I'm absolutely not doing that. Okay, fair enough. It's just going to be them, too.
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Okay, Eric, or excuse me, Nick, can you pull up the pop-out chat? Do you know how to do that?
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While we wait for that, to see what the chat is saying, some people are saying, yes, it looks like.
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Let's go around the table once more. So, if you can, please tell us what your current relationship status is.
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Are you single? Are you in a relationship? Friends with benefits? Talking stage? Situationship? Relationship? Married?
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If you are single, how long have you been single? Also, what's your longest relationship? Go ahead.
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It really shouldn't be. We're in a relationship, Sean and I.
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She answered for you. How did you guys meet, by the way?
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Sent her a message and then she sent me a message on Patreon and then we ignored each other for months.
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And then she invited me on to a show and then two years later we went out.
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I didn't know what he looked like for like, I think like a year and a half.
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So, I just liked his content and messaged him and he came on my show.
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And by the way, guys, I think before you sleep, it's a very good channel.
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Hopefully, he doesn't do a hit piece on us after his appearance here.
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As long as you just don't do it on your main channel, I already think so.
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Well, yeah, no, you've done some live streams, I think, on your channel.
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Was it, well, you already went into it, so let's move on.
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Yeah, it's been like a month now of the engagement, but we were, and we just had our seven-year anniversary on July 3rd.
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And then, have you been dating at all since he passed, or not still kind of getting over
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Like, I recently tried, and, I don't know, like, you know, make a little content with
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an old, you know, friend of mine, but other than that, mm-mm.
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I am single, and my longest relationship is about four years.
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Were you still dating the guy when you had started your...
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And then, and you started your OnlyFans in December?
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No, I don't want to say what state, just for privacy reasons, but...
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And so, do you think, has having started OnlyFans, has that had any negative impacts when it comes
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Because, yeah, just the kind of guys I like wouldn't have a problem with it.
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The kind of guys you like wouldn't have a problem with it.
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So, two years ago, I didn't even have an Instagram, nothing.
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And I wouldn't have dated any guy at that point that would have had a problem with me having
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Well, y'all, I'm still single as a motherfucking Pringle, but you know what?
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I just met a real sexy, sexy French slash Mexican nigga this past week, you feel me?
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We're supposed to have our first little date on Friday, but he gonna come to my comedy show
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this Wednesday, and then we gonna go on a date Friday, so I'm looking forward to this
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Well, of course, we gotta eat, because y'all see a bitch, I love to eat.
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So, we definitely go to eat, and then after that, you know, I don't know, it's a surprise.
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It's like, surprise me, but don't F up, you know?
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My God, I don't know if I'm divorced yet, but divorce was married.
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Currently in a relationship, yeah, taken for two years.
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Yeah, you say all the time that women have everything to gain out of a divorce.
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But if you want to talk about it after we can, I can share my experience.
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Okay, well, I kind of missed, sorry, I was dealing with some fucking shit here.
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Which is, I said that I'm divorced, I've just gone through it.
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Divorce, I don't even know if it's finalized or not, but.
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But, okay, you brought up that I've kind of not been in favor of marriage.
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And one of the reasons I think that is because, generally speaking, the negative consequences of divorce tend to disproportionately impact men.
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But, so, in your case, it negatively impacted you in so far as.
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I don't think that it's the worst that can happen to you between a divorce or having a child by accident.
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I would say you should be a lot more afraid of having a chick pregnant by accident.
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And there are chicks out there that will tell you I'm on birth control just to have a baby because the biological clock is.
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So, and trust me, between all the people that I know that I've gone through a divorce versus the people that have to pay child support out of nowhere without being ready for it,
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the ones who have had children are a lot in hot water compared to the ones that are just divorced without children.
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So, you're current, but you said you're currently going through a divorce, correct?
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I'm not, my parents didn't raise me to be a bitch.
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So, you mean, like, to go after, how long were you married again?
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I don't like how a woman kind of tried to destroy guys going through a divorce.
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I'm not aware of, like, the beef that Montreal or whatever has with the rest of Canada.
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The independence of Quebec versus the ones that want to be, like, Canada.
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There's Team Quebec and there's Team Canada, okay?
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In any case, so you're in a two-year relationship, correct?
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I was dating someone, but they recently stopped talking to me.
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Um, and yeah, my relationships never really last.
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They only last, like, three months, and that's it.
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We got a person who's late who wants to still come and be on the show, so I'm texting on
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See, if you wanted to maximize your craft, you would have had chat donate for her to...
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She's going to have to sit in the back, though.
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If she would have came from out here, I would have said, no, leave her ass outside.
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Because I keep hearing Californians shit on it.
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She needs some excitement in her life living in Bakersfield.
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I feel bad if we like just make her go back home.
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Well, we don't have a microphone to give her really.
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You have a dunce hat to sit in the corner and put her a dunce hat on?
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I think she faces into the corner or something.
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I mean, that wouldn't be the deciding factor, but...
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Madison, why don't you ask the panel a question?
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I wanted to know what kind of content you made.
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I mean, looking at facts, data, and stuff like that, it seems like a lot of it, as I
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forget who was saying it, but divorce seems to suck for both sides.
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Things like COVID, like, kind of say, like, well, if, if, hmm, that's all I'm saying on
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Let me just say, like, there were a lot of laws that were ignored after a certain time
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And so it's like, if laws can be ignored there, then laws don't really matter.
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So that changed my perspective on that quite a bit.
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And so I started moving away from that and just focusing on culture.
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But yes, yeah, I mean, it was technically the shorter part of my time as a content creator.
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And did you previously consider yourself as MGTOW?
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But I know that that can range in terms of how that sort of manifests itself.
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That could be anywhere from someone who's, like, completely just will not even, like,
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A guy who will, like, hook up with women, but, you know, they won't cohabitate and they
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won't have, like, long-term relationships or get married to women.
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So, like, where would you say, when you were MGTOW, where did you fall?
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I kind of just focused on my career and just focused on myself.
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So you weren't really, like, dating or anything?
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Anything else, Madison, for the table while I deal with this Sophia situation?
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You're, like, you're, like, you're, like, talking to someone.
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And then if you could set her, set up her chair for, yeah, she's going to be in the back.
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That's what, if she wants to leave, she can, but we can't, it's hard for us to accommodate
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somebody that's almost an hour and a half late.
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A little clusterfuck here because fucking situation.
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So earlier, the topic of someone else managing OnlyFans came up.
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And I think you said that you wanted it to be ethical.
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Is that what you meant, that somebody else managing it, in your opinion, wouldn't be ethical?
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If somebody is speaking to people as you, I don't think that's ethical.
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I think that's because somebody's pretending to be you and someone's paying to talk to you
00:32:08.660
And as somebody who does that, I would also agree that it's not ethical, but I don't care.
00:32:15.060
You're having someone else pretend to be you and this person thinks they're talking to you.
00:32:21.040
Yeah, but they donate with the assumption of, like, that they will be able to talk to
00:32:28.940
Because that's how a lot of guys are, like, even if you give a hundred disclaimers, right?
00:32:33.500
I make sure not to facilitate parasocial relationships.
00:32:39.460
I have a limit on how much content you can buy.
00:32:41.380
If somebody messages me multiple times, I'm like, hey, this is unhealthy.
00:32:49.660
The DMs can get pretty toxic, but that's what I'm here for.
00:32:54.360
Like, what are you seeing as someone who manages that?
00:32:58.420
Okay, let's say, sorry, I'm, like, thinking TOS right now.
00:33:08.440
Like, the amount of guys that cheat on their wife like that, it's sad.
00:33:15.460
They have kids or, like, I'm spending, like, my kids' Christmas gifts on you right now.
00:33:23.980
What the, are you not answering stuff like that?
00:33:26.680
It's, like, I can see that somebody who hasn't been used to see comments like that on social media
00:33:37.200
Especially as a woman, right, like, reading that and seeing, like, husbands cheating and everything.
00:33:40.960
I would say most of them don't really have, like, a father figure around.
00:33:45.400
So, I would say that it's pretty traumatizing to think that there are men like that in the world to me.
00:33:50.420
Like, I have two amazing parents that are still together, a good father figure.
00:33:56.980
Like, she stayed at my house, like, last month.
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Like, I know, and I'm just, like, what the heck.
00:34:08.720
But, you know, for people who don't have a father figure, it hits harder psychologically.
00:34:20.280
To have, like, men say certain things and they just don't necessarily, some of them just don't, how could I explain that?
00:34:36.240
So, you're saying that's where you come in to talk to those men on their behalf because they don't feel comfortable?
00:34:43.600
Yeah, no, I understand that, but that's, I didn't know the relevance of the father figure.
00:34:46.360
Just because I'm, I guess I'm good at handling it, like, back and forth.
00:34:57.680
Do they ever just reject their purchases if they're, like, I'm spending my kids' college fund on this or?
00:35:03.260
401ks, wife's savings, mom's savings, college kid's savings.
00:35:17.900
They do a lot of mental manipulation to try to get stuff, and I'm just like, meh.
00:35:26.500
I would say the people who are chatting to these men, they're manipulating the men.
00:35:30.920
Yeah, they're manipulating emotions, especially by pretending to be somebody they're not.
00:35:34.700
I mean, I wouldn't say that there's no, like, manipulation coming from the women's side.
00:35:38.680
I mean, if anything, it's a lot coming from the women's side.
00:35:46.660
And there are a lot of guys that aren't doing that.
00:35:53.660
I would imagine it's hard to have, like, a healthy relationship and then also, like,
00:35:58.000
pursue that sort of girlfriend simulator relationship with someone for the men that do do that.
00:36:03.720
Some of the girlfriends find us for their boyfriends.
00:36:09.560
So I have a lot of couples that watch me together or, like, a guy who's girlfriend.
00:36:13.200
Oh, yeah, there's definitely some cuck queens out there and such.
00:36:18.540
Compromising my relationship because I was in it?
00:36:21.480
I was saying, rather, the people that are purchasing it, it must be hard for them to
00:36:36.140
It's like what he defines a relationship, right?
00:36:37.480
People who are going to be disloyal are going to find a way to do it without OnlyFans ever
00:36:43.740
I mean, the boundaries of a relationship are determined by the two people in the relationship.
00:36:52.140
If a man provides enough, he can get away with a lot.
00:37:01.220
I've seen relationships where the man is married and the wife knows that he has, like, another
00:37:07.500
I'd say, if she knows it's wrong, it's 2023, relationships are coming all different.
00:37:23.080
No, I mean, personally, like, if my boyfriend was to just go and, like, you know, get with
00:37:29.540
some random chick, he doesn't even remember her name.
00:37:36.520
And at the end of the day, I know, I grew up around guys.
00:37:40.280
I kind of understand how a man's brain is wired.
00:37:47.820
Women cheating versus men cheating is two completely different things.
00:37:52.580
I think that's used too much as a pass, though, because what if women were like, yeah, sorry,
00:38:04.540
And you know, as a woman, I biologically have to go for resources.
00:38:15.900
I wish that we could bring back more romance and relationships.
00:38:18.280
Honestly, if it would just not tell you and you would not find out somehow, like, I don't
00:38:27.960
Like, the I don't want to find out part, that's what's important.
00:38:36.400
Make sure you don't come back with an STI, stuff like that, you know?
00:38:41.820
Like, typically, if you're an addict to one thing, you're probably an addict to multiple
00:38:46.400
So it's like, it's, you may be thinking, it's like this, there's this direction over here
00:38:49.840
where this person's going that you don't want to know about, but it's probably manifesting
00:38:54.520
Personally, I would certainly want to know about that.
00:39:16.700
You said, you mentioned that you think people should try to reintroduce some romance into.
00:39:23.020
Yeah, I think it's been sucked out of the life of everyone.
00:39:25.860
This whole thing of the terminal men versus women war has just sucked the romance at everything
00:39:32.240
and everyone's just very low trust and it's very sad to see.
00:39:35.200
And I really wish that romance brought back because as we've taken it out, we have all
00:39:39.940
these very undefined relationships and people are unhappy about it and having to, and everyone's
00:39:44.880
just having to settle for so little because the bar is just so low and it's really sad for
00:39:50.780
Can you clarify or maybe expand on what you mean though by, by romance?
00:39:57.080
Like two people who genuinely like each other and want to commit to each other and are only
00:40:03.920
Because when I think of romance, I tend to think of perhaps like romantic overtures such
00:40:13.360
But it's the foundation that really matters too.
00:40:17.680
That comes after you have a good foundation, right?
00:40:20.180
So more like actual genuine liking of the person versus perhaps the transaction, the, you know,
00:40:27.080
how I think things tend to be looked at almost in a transactional way.
00:40:30.680
Whereas like, what can this person provide, whether it's finances, whether it's, you know,
00:40:36.900
And that's not to say that men should therefore date ugly, unattractive women that they're not
00:40:42.460
And women should date men that they're not attracted to.
00:40:45.180
Obviously, for example, if you want children, there needs to be money there in order for you
00:40:51.340
So like looks and being able to provide for a family certainly do matter.
00:40:59.400
And I think that's what's given the rise to things like OnlyFans and why so many guys and
00:41:09.900
Do you think people have to think it's very romantic?
00:41:14.060
I think that with the rise of relationships becoming more and more vague, like at the
00:41:20.820
beginning of the show, for example, he was like, whether you're in a situation ship, this
00:41:23.820
or that, and it's like 10 different labels instead of just like dating or committal boyfriend,
00:41:29.280
So if you think that was more clear, people wouldn't get on OnlyFans and make money?
00:41:33.280
I think that OnlyFans is happening due to the fact that, for example, because most of the
00:41:38.220
customers are guys, even though there are some girls, and so I think that they're using
00:41:42.480
that as a replacement for sex in the same vein as porn.
00:41:46.760
And I don't think it's good for either party overall.
00:41:55.820
Well, you could also make the argument if men were getting romance or getting sex from
00:42:01.700
women that there would not be such a market for pornography and OnlyFans.
00:42:10.680
I mean, a lot of normal people with relationships or jobs, like normal people are on OnlyFans.
00:42:15.180
But that might be contributing to why they're single.
00:42:19.640
Yeah, because if you can say he watches porn every day, like why would you work out?
00:42:24.260
Why would you do all that stuff that you can just get on your computer?
00:42:25.260
Well, the majority of people that watch porn, like that work out also, they're not working
00:42:31.160
But just because that one person, like there's people that do, it doesn't mean that there
00:42:34.040
also aren't like a lot of people who don't because pornography exists, because it's there
00:42:39.320
So are you just saying that or is there some like statistical evidence for this?
00:42:44.760
Like I said, you can look at societies like Japan where they have this massive price.
00:42:49.900
Like every single part of the relationship is compartmentalized where people are going
00:42:53.140
to like men can go to strip clubs, women can go to like host clubs, just like the male
00:43:01.360
And you think that's the reason that Japan is like that?
00:43:03.500
Because I mean, like Europe is super open with sex.
00:43:07.580
And like, are you seeing that countries that watch more porn, you're seeing more of this?
00:43:12.480
It's that mixed in with the lack of connection, especially things like without violating
00:43:16.380
TOS, people being less connected because of COVID, people getting on Discord conversations
00:43:20.180
and having friends through that versus having actual real friends and people kind of compartmentalizing
00:43:26.000
So if you mix that in with lack of social skills, which is kind of a pretty prevalent
00:43:30.100
problem in Japan, like we're getting a lot of that here.
00:43:32.900
But do you think that like, are you saying that you think the majority of men on OnlyFans
00:43:38.380
Like, are you saying that porn in particular, OnlyFans in particular is different than all
00:43:42.880
these other forms of social media that's making people less connected?
00:43:46.420
You think OnlyFans and porn in particular is an issue?
00:43:49.700
I'm thinking it's all kind of mixed in together as like, maybe people should move a little
00:43:53.860
bit more away from, you know, log, maybe like if you, if all of your friends are on Discord,
00:44:00.680
Or if all your presence, if you're on the computer all the, if you're not a concentrator
00:44:03.600
and you're on the computer all day, maybe, maybe check yourself a little bit.
00:44:07.940
So I think that it's, um, all of it as well, but it's specifically with OnlyFans, um, as
00:44:15.280
the, as the nature of any other pornography, it's a replacement for sex.
00:44:18.980
So I think in that specific area is what it's replacing.
00:44:22.880
So instead of like maybe going and trying to get a girlfriend or committal relationship,
00:44:29.480
And I think that's why it's become so popular too.
00:44:32.540
And versus other social media, let's say Discord, that would be more like a way of, um, replacing
00:44:39.640
I don't, I don't know why people think it's like a replacement for sex.
00:44:43.040
I don't think if you, if people watch porn, they're like, oh, I don't ever want to see
00:44:51.660
But like porn addiction in general is so misunderstood.
00:44:54.180
It's such a, it's not even recognized by the DSM-5, the APA.
00:45:00.280
And a lot of it also has to do with, they've done studies with moral incongruence.
00:45:03.680
So they've looked at men who've watched porn and they've compared men who think they have
00:45:08.000
a, cause a lot of it is just what you think you have a problem.
00:45:09.900
Like, do you feel like this is interfering with your daily activities, et cetera?
00:45:12.860
You wouldn't know unless you stopped for a long period of time.
00:45:15.540
No, but they find that the men that think it does, they also have negative attitudes
00:45:22.420
They find that those men don't actually even watch more porn than normal men who are living
00:45:26.240
normal, healthy lives, but they have a, like, they are like, sex is normal, right?
00:45:30.640
And they're like, oh my God, I have an addiction because I'm not supposed to be doing this.
00:45:35.340
And then they, because they're normal, they turn to it again and again and again.
00:45:39.600
And they think that's an addiction when it's not.
00:45:41.760
Some people are uncomfortable with social interactions in general, whereas porn and OnlyFans kind of gives
00:45:51.080
you that opportunity to have that fantasy without having to overcome that social anxiety to go
00:45:58.280
and talk to a woman, go on a date and everything.
00:46:01.540
I mean, think about what's easier, hanging out with a friend or messaging on Discord, right?
00:46:05.560
So in that same sentiment, I think you have voiced that you don't think that it's a replacement,
00:46:10.920
but if that's not the case, then why when someone's horny, they turn to porn?
00:46:17.540
There are a lot of men in relationships that turn to porn.
00:46:19.840
Like, if your girlfriend isn't there with you in the moment, a lot of, like, upwards of 90% of men watch porn
00:46:28.620
But that could also reflect on their relationship.
00:46:30.560
It could mean that they're not satisfied to some degree.
00:46:34.860
No, not even that the woman's not good enough, but, like, that maybe they're so used to porn
00:46:39.820
that they need those options, because that's one of the most common things you hear from guys
00:46:44.240
Even when I'm in relationships and I'm having a ton of sex, I masturbate.
00:46:47.780
Like, sometimes you want your little alone time, and it's...
00:46:50.140
In moderation, I'm not saying it can't be a problem, but, I mean, anything.
00:46:54.160
Drinking in moderation, gambling in moderation, porn in moderation.
00:46:58.240
Do you think that if a guy is horny and he goes out and tries to find a woman in public,
00:47:04.860
To go meet a woman for the first time and go out?
00:47:22.420
It's an industry, so this is a free country, you know?
00:47:30.140
Why is it bad for, like, what's wrong with hook up culture?
00:47:33.200
I don't engage in it personally because I'm boring, but I'm just going to.
00:47:41.760
But why would we want to stop it for everybody else?
00:47:52.180
You don't like it for everybody or you don't like it for yourself?
00:47:53.100
If you stay home, you're not going to get someone pregnant.
00:47:59.800
I mean, as he was saying, kind of skirting TOS here.
00:48:04.340
I mean, couldn't you say that we as a society, in order to stop the spread of a certain disease,
00:48:08.580
we actually enacted laws to prevent certain activities, certain mandates.
00:48:15.020
I mean, I'm not trying to fucking compare hookup culture to COVID here.
00:48:17.980
But you could argue, like, for example, like, there's a rise in STDs.
00:48:29.740
I think something actually recently in Texas, women in Texas, I forgot which city, but in
00:48:37.580
the past three or four years, there's been, like, 150%-fold increase in syphilis in women
00:48:46.120
So I think we can educate people on that, right?
00:48:49.160
We can educate people on safe sex, but at the end of the day, it's their decision.
00:48:53.220
I have no interest in telling people, don't be a kid.
00:48:56.380
Like, people will be fucking without condoms and shit.
00:49:00.440
I'm not going to sit here and be like, stop, I don't care.
00:49:01.960
But all the education on safe sex is not going to get someone to change that behavior.
00:49:05.160
So what is us saying, like, oh, this is so wrong, hookup culture?
00:49:07.420
Well, also, even if you wear a condom, you can still get herpes.
00:49:10.120
Yeah, you can, but I'm saying these are, we should tell people about the risk, but if they want
00:49:13.680
to engage in it, I don't care enough to tell them to, like, what, why, it's not our business.
00:49:23.140
Well, I mean, you know, we can, in our personal lives, we can say, okay, well, drug use is
00:49:27.180
bad, but you can also say, hmm, maybe society-wide, this isn't, like, the best thing.
00:49:32.100
Maybe we should, I'm not saying we should fucking, like, pass laws to, like, ban hookup culture,
00:49:36.600
but, like, we could say, we could say, like, okay, this is not, this is not good.
00:49:42.020
So you, and you're doing this because you don't want people to get more STDs, and you
00:49:46.440
feel like this is, like, a pertinent issue in society right now, the rise of STDs, and,
00:49:52.220
Well, there's other factors why I think hookup culture is not great.
00:49:58.800
Because if it's just the rise of STDs, I don't feel like this is.
00:50:00.740
I don't think men or women are happy with hookup culture.
00:50:03.520
Who are you to say that they're not happy with hookup culture, though?
00:50:07.840
How often do you hear, it's either men who are incapable of finding a relationship, or
00:50:12.260
women who, you'll hear from women, I'm tired of these fuckboys, these guys, they just want
00:50:16.300
to fuck, like, I think both men and women are desirous of long-term relationships, and
00:50:20.400
hookup culture is, doesn't coincide with building long-term relationships.
00:50:28.700
Like, I mean, there are people who complain like that, but there are a lot of people who
00:50:32.500
There's a lot of online communities that are like, this is terrible, but I feel like
00:50:36.140
Average girls who go to college, or average guys who go to college, will, are just as
00:50:43.680
So if everyone thinks that, why do some people still choose to engage in it?
00:50:56.060
Y'all don't know that that's a part of being a healthy human.
00:51:00.460
Are you willing to die in order to achieve that?
00:51:08.980
Because they feel fucking, and they know the risks.
00:51:12.780
You're in a very vulnerable position when you open up your body like that to a stranger
00:51:23.420
The thing is, are you saying you've never had a one-night stand?
00:51:26.520
Are you saying you've never had a one-night stand?
00:51:38.200
I think one of the main ingredients in a hookup is alcohol.
00:51:50.160
I just don't understand how whoever has had a one-night stand, like women, aren't you
00:51:57.760
kind of scared that you could do things that you're not comfortable with or hurt you?
00:52:04.240
You're such in a vulnerable position with somebody you don't really know.
00:52:13.160
Or if you're rolling, girl, you don't think about none of that.
00:52:16.760
I guess I'm in the bathroom before that instant kicks in, so yeah.
00:52:25.220
Single men are one of the main money makers for OnlyFans, so there's that aspect, too,
00:52:32.040
Yeah, they're one of them, but they're also nonsense.
00:52:33.900
But it's like, obviously, there are some couples, but it's a lot of mass, probably like
00:52:41.100
I think you'd be surprised about the amount of women who don't care if their man watches
00:52:46.920
Yeah, and like I said, there's definitely cut queens.
00:52:53.160
Like, I wouldn't care if my boyfriend watched porn.
00:53:12.360
Like, if you're allowed to look at women online, I don't have to be the only woman you ever
00:53:16.040
I mean, that's how you facilitate your relationships.
00:53:18.280
But the thing is, I think that affects how committal a relationship is, depending to what
00:53:26.480
Because wouldn't it be more romantic if a guy only has eyes for you and only sees you
00:53:39.800
So we should all be romantic and commit to each other so you feel better?
00:53:44.880
Romance facilitates really healthy relationships and happy families and not having, you know,
00:53:50.040
for example, single mothers, having to struggle and raise your kid.
00:54:06.980
I mean, like, relationships are based on trust.
00:54:09.700
Well, I wouldn't date somebody that consumes porn because I also don't.
00:54:16.140
What if you went through his phone and found a whole bunch of porn, though, girl?
00:54:34.820
That's one of the first things I find out when I date someone.
00:54:37.000
So I'm actually pretty confident I wouldn't find anything on it.
00:54:40.400
When you first date someone, how do you find out?
00:54:45.800
So if you guys were dating someone on the first date and you had some sort of requirement
00:54:50.480
and deal breaker and you voiced that and they lied to you, I'm pretty sure if you found
00:54:54.160
out they lied that you would probably break up with them, too.
00:55:03.220
People don't like if you're trying to hide your porn from your girl.
00:55:23.040
But I don't think porn is responsible for single mothers.
00:55:35.780
Which is why we have all these vague relationships.
00:55:37.660
Honestly, I wouldn't like to find out if my boyfriend was watching porn.
00:55:46.680
Like, what's stopping you from, like, just saying, hey, I'm not comfortable with this.
00:55:52.620
But you can't make it all of our relationship boundaries.
00:55:54.660
I do understand where you're coming from, though.
00:55:58.240
Because if all of us women would just keep our fucking legs closed, you know what I'm
00:56:02.320
saying, and wait until marriage, we wouldn't be in this whole fucking shit show of a, you
00:56:06.880
Every, the romance would have stayed and everything.
00:56:11.520
So we can't just wait for somebody to marry us to give it up.
00:56:17.760
You know, some women really are tanking the coochie stock, though.
00:56:29.720
I mean, I'd be terribly hurt if I would find out that my boyfriend, like, had a one-night
00:56:38.880
Honestly, I'd rather not know because it's going to hurt me.
00:56:42.460
But you're okay with not knowing, even though, like, it could possibly be true?
00:56:53.460
So if I have any reason to believe, then that means I would find out.
00:57:10.060
Because you put in all this work in this relationship.
00:57:22.320
Because the guy had more money and you're a woman, therefore you need resources?
00:57:30.340
But women, according to biology, using the same logic, women go for the resources for their children and everything.
00:57:35.480
So if a woman cheated for the same reason of resources, they wouldn't get that pass.
00:57:39.760
Of course not, because you go for the resources, therefore you go for the relationship, not for the one night stand.
00:57:47.820
Like a guy goes to a chick to bang a chick and what's her name again?
00:57:52.960
Like if you go for the resources, you go for somebody else.
00:58:00.560
And that speaks volumes on not just the micro, but the macro, right?
00:58:04.740
The little detail says a lot about the situation, what they'll do.
00:58:08.200
What I'm saying is that if a man protects and provide enough, he's going to have a pass most likely.
00:58:21.020
I don't think a woman would get a pass for that, though.
00:58:24.960
He's most likely going to get away with it, you know?
00:58:29.140
If you meet like the love of your life, you guys get married, happy, and 20 years down the line,
00:58:33.880
you find out that he's had one one night stand a year.
00:59:04.940
Here's, like, pictures of them together, hooking up, stuff like that.
00:59:09.220
You're never supposed to let a chick see you sweat, though.
00:59:11.620
So you got to pretend like you, like, bitch, you don't know what you're talking about.
00:59:18.280
Well, do you accept it or you're like, I'm done?
00:59:24.780
I'm not saying that it should be a standard for everybody.
00:59:30.900
I grew up around guys and I can understand, like, guys, they go for a hookup.
00:59:37.340
Like, they can literally bang anything without giving a single fuck.
00:59:44.840
I just feel like if I was the kid of a parent like that, I wouldn't want a parent who was
01:00:01.540
So wouldn't it be more romantic if he was just into you?
01:00:12.660
Is that fair to the other person, to settle for them?
01:00:17.400
Like, oh, I accept that they're going to have bad behaviors.
01:00:23.420
But if he's putting all your damn bills, then you ain't got a choice.
01:00:27.360
You got to sit there and shut the fuck up and take it.
01:00:29.220
But if you know that you can get a man that will not cheat on you, why would you do that?
01:00:45.820
No, because I told him and he was like, I wouldn't do that.
01:00:53.520
Because it's always when you're not ready that shit happens.
01:01:13.520
I was like, hey, if you don't want to break up with me and it was just a mistake, it's like,
01:01:17.000
please don't tell me because that's going to hurt me.
01:01:19.980
Wait, but does that make him feel like he can just treat you any sort of way?
01:01:29.900
It comes to us as like, so if a guy hears that, what they're hearing is like, oh, she's weak,
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If a guy had low standards like that, they would be called a simp.
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Okay, but men, women aren't held to the same standards.
01:02:00.060
I have a couple questions for some of the panelists here.
01:02:03.220
Some of you were so kind to provide some answers to some of our pre-show questions.
01:02:08.120
So, starting with Jasmine, who is an attorney, in your Instagram, you describe yourself as
01:02:23.240
So, your Instagram, in your bio, it says, lawyer and ho.
01:02:31.660
So, when you say you're a ho, you mean you just do OnlyFans?
01:02:38.980
Okay, just a question for the two girls here who do OF.
01:02:54.600
So, have you ever, when I think of a ho, I mean, well,
01:03:00.780
Here, have any, either of you done any prostitution?
01:03:07.720
I was going to do 304 because I learned what that means recently.
01:03:11.140
But I thought more, like, normal people wouldn't know.
01:03:13.840
You said that when you were bored studying for your bar exam,
01:03:23.180
Okay, and this is also the time when you started your OnlyFans.
01:03:25.520
Yeah, so after law school, it was, like, two months where you're supposed to do nothing
01:03:29.560
I'm really good at standardized tests, so I knew I only needed, like, a week.
01:03:34.360
So, I started in OnlyFans and went on a bunch of dates.
01:03:36.980
Yeah, it says here, I ended up going on, or you ended up going on 33 dates in around
01:03:44.000
Are these 33 dates all first dates with different guys?
01:03:48.080
Okay, so perhaps it was, you went on more dates, but some of them were second dates.
01:03:55.780
You kept, like, did you keep it, like, a spreadsheet, or?
01:04:11.720
And then I'm friends, out of the four I saw again, I'm still friends with three of them.
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How, like, in person, you meet up in person, or?
01:04:27.600
Yeah, it was the first time I downloaded Hinge, so I did all of them on Hinge.
01:04:33.080
And what percentage of men do you think could go on 33 different dates in three months?
01:04:52.880
No, this was, like, right when I was starting my OnlyFans.
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So, like, just, so I went, I went to Egypt and Dubai for a little bit.
01:04:59.160
Then I came back, and I was like, well, I still have, like, a month and a half.
01:05:02.300
So, I went on all these dates, and I was just starting OnlyFans.
01:05:05.660
And, I mean, I told all of them, but we didn't make content.
01:05:08.360
I didn't actually start doing BG content until this last February.
01:05:19.120
Um, so, it just seems like a lot of time, you know?
01:05:25.160
It was, like, kind of, like, the middle of COVID, and my law school friends had all gone
01:05:29.040
back to their, like, home states to study, because the bar was going to be, um, virtual.
01:05:33.980
And so, um, I was dating that guy earlier, and then I went back home for a little bit,
01:05:40.060
came back, and I'm, like, I don't have anybody to hang out with.
01:05:50.660
Well, so, and you said that you think a very small percentage of men could go on 33 different
01:05:58.080
I mean, I don't know if they were really trying.
01:06:01.540
But I guess my, I would say it's easier for someone like me to go on 33 dates.
01:06:06.440
A woman that's, like, I guess, somewhat conventionally attractive.
01:06:20.720
Did you ever forget or, like, mix up their names?
01:06:23.400
Yeah, but it didn't matter because I only saw four of them more than once.
01:06:25.780
So, sometimes on my phone, I would write, like, pizza guy or something.
01:06:30.980
So, it sounds like you kept an Excel spreadsheet type thing to keep track of all these.
01:06:38.540
So, have any of you, and I've heard this from both men and women, that they might keep, like,
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some people keep a fuck list, which I think is a bit vile.
01:06:49.620
But, I shouldn't have said that before I asked the question.
01:06:52.300
Have any of you ever thoroughly documented your romantic pursuits, whether it's, you know,
01:07:00.660
you actually wrote down in a diary or a spreadsheet on a computer, listed out all the people that
01:07:06.080
you've gone on dates with, or I've heard some people, they'll, like, keep a list of all the
01:07:12.420
people they've slept with and include various details, such as certain sizes of appendages.
01:07:22.040
I've never heard some women on the podcast say that they keep a list.
01:07:24.840
I just wrote their names down and put stars by my favorite.
01:07:27.260
Where do you hang out to meet people like that?
01:07:32.420
So, just going around the table, have you ever kept a list of partners?
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Brittany, we'll start with Brittany and go around.
01:07:52.280
So, I made a list of, like, every guy I've ever kissed, or, like, you know, and then
01:08:03.760
No, it's on notes in my phone, but it was so that way I could remember.
01:08:07.600
And so, I would put, like, a little thing next to it, like, this guy is, like, from this
01:08:12.120
city, or, like, this nationality, and stuff like that.
01:08:22.580
No, I try to forget most of the ones I didn't fuck.
01:08:41.300
And just really quick touching on this 33 dates thing.
01:08:44.140
So, and Al's kind of getting to this a little bit.
01:08:47.440
Do you guys think, and I'm opening this up to the panel, do you guys think that, compared
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to men, that women have dating on easy mode, as compared to men?
01:08:59.040
Do you mean just going on dates, getting that foot in the door, or do you mean having,
01:09:11.900
No, for anything, I think just women have it easy.
01:09:15.780
Like, if you just go out there, regardless of what type of women you are, trust me, like,
01:09:23.880
You do that as a guy, you're going to get arrested.
01:09:25.880
But that's not a, that's not a, yeah, that's not a-
01:09:33.460
I feel like dating involves also, if you're just talking about being able to fuck, or
01:09:36.920
being able to go on dates, then yeah, women have it easier.
01:09:38.880
But if you're talking about facilitating actual meaningful connections in relationships,
01:09:42.400
I don't necessarily know how women have that easier.
01:09:45.180
But I mean, couldn't you make the argument that at least, like, for example, you were able
01:09:48.520
to get 33, secure 33 dates in a three-month time period, one of those led to, was it a
01:09:57.960
Okay, but you hooked up with him in any case, but perhaps it could have.
01:10:00.820
At least you have the opportunity there, because for a lot of men's experience on, for example,
01:10:05.820
dating apps, it might be, they don't get any matches.
01:10:23.300
I, like, created profiles for, like, some of my friends with, like, their pictures and
01:10:39.000
You're going to meet somebody, but please just delete dating apps.
01:10:43.180
I had, like, I'm not good at going out and meeting people.
01:10:47.220
And I can never tell if, like, someone I'm actually interested in is interested in me
01:10:51.300
So, I remember when I started college and, like, Tinder became a thing.
01:10:54.900
And it was, that weight lifted off my shoulder.
01:10:57.160
Like, oh, my gosh, this guy's actually interested in me.
01:11:22.440
But you like things to have, like, label, be identified, like, nothing let you.
01:11:33.640
But, so he believes in organized chaos, so I went to art school, and so it's one of those
01:11:37.880
things where you have to see all your stuff, so that way you can visualize how you're going
01:11:45.520
But, it was just something that, I mean, as compared to going to a bar, and I'm like,
01:11:50.080
okay, I'm not interested in that guy, I'm not interested in that guy, I'm not interested
01:11:53.340
It's kind of a waste of my time, and I don't have a lot of time to spare.
01:11:56.520
So, when I was on Tinder, I was like, okay, I like this guy, I don't like this guy.
01:12:05.560
Like, are you willing to start a friendship to just try to maybe find a friend, a best
01:12:10.820
friend, and that best friend could potentially lead to a happy relationship?
01:12:14.400
Because that's what I found out, you know, I got married.
01:12:17.920
Well, I did get that, but this is when I'm in college, and I don't have, I was in college.
01:12:25.900
I want to do that, but I don't have time to go out and do it, so I'll do this for an
01:12:36.000
Well, I wasn't really looking for a serious relationship when I was in college.
01:12:51.760
But it's not like you, it's impossible to find someone on a dating app.
01:12:54.740
You could, but it's not the most effective way to do it, because you can't really feel
01:12:59.520
someone out the same way on a dating app that you would in real life.
01:13:05.560
I mean, they ask you guys to put their height and stuff, and, like, they just seem to be
01:13:10.560
Well, there's other aspects of attraction, too, that you can't see online, right?
01:13:19.960
It's like, if there's a vibe with somebody, or just if there's a friendship, like, I ended
01:13:24.020
up, you know, I'm, like, I'm pretty much dating my best friend right now, and we're,
01:13:28.160
I mean, I've never been this happy in my life, honestly.
01:13:31.160
And I think that's what was lacking in my previous marriage, is that there wasn't a
01:13:38.160
Yeah, that's definitely, I think most people would prefer not to be, like, yeah, I met
01:13:42.020
I think most people would prefer to meet in real life.
01:13:46.920
But, I'm kind of curious why the question was asked about, like, men versus women, and,
01:13:56.580
Why was the question asked in regard to men versus women who have it worse?
01:14:03.940
Well, I mean, she mentioned that she had gone on 33 dates in a three-month time period, which
01:14:11.140
I think is, I would say that in order for you to be able to pull that off as a guy, that
01:14:16.900
puts you in the top, like, 1% of men who could pull off securing that many dates, whereas
01:14:23.760
I think, like, honestly, if a woman was so inclined, I would say, honestly, the top 50%
01:14:28.140
of women could very easily secure that sort of attention from men.
01:14:36.320
I mean, these are pretty superficial relationships anyway, so...
01:14:40.400
Not necessarily, but because at least you have the opportunity there for one of these scenarios
01:14:48.480
I would say with dating apps, you're right, but I don't think it's that way.
01:14:51.880
But you're right that a lot of relationships are not facilitated through online.
01:14:56.280
You kind of see both genders complain about dating and the lack of commitment in general.
01:15:00.960
So, I don't think being able to just, like, date around and, like, sleep around is the
01:15:08.180
But I see what you're saying, but, for example, I don't know everyone's philosophy on this,
01:15:16.220
but I would say most modern relationships, it's the way most relationships start.
01:15:22.620
I don't think it's typically, okay, let's go on 10 dates, then hook up, then sleep together,
01:15:29.260
then get into a relationship first, then sleep together.
01:15:32.180
I think the way it works for most adult relationships is people hook up fairly early on,
01:15:38.960
and then they continue hooking up, and then they find themselves in a relationship.
01:15:45.460
Like, it does happen for sure, but in terms of that actually leading up to commitment,
01:15:50.440
I don't hear that many stories of, like, that actually turn out to be a healthy, long-term relationship.
01:15:56.140
But I guess it depends what your goals are in dating.
01:15:57.860
Like, I don't know if her goal in dating is to marry, right?
01:16:02.700
Well, I mean, one thing I would like to do to go around the table is a lot of you have said,
01:16:13.440
Or maybe a better question to ask is, have any of you here had a long-term relationship
01:16:19.200
where you hooked up, had sex with a person relatively early on in said relationship?
01:16:25.740
So let's say within the first one, two, or three dates.
01:16:30.820
Okay, well, my boyfriend and I, we did have sex, and we've been in a relationship for a year now, so.
01:16:56.100
Oh, okay, like, we weren't hanging out that much because we met, and then we started dating, and then we had sex.
01:17:08.060
It's a little bit different than just, like, meeting someone the first time and then having sex three days later.
01:17:15.200
She was friends with him, and then we became friends and started dating.
01:17:19.640
Wait, so last show, you guys, you said you'd broken up with your boyfriend, or are you guys back together?
01:17:24.620
Well, yeah, we're back together, but he didn't, like, want to break up, break up, but he was just thinking about, you know, a little time apart, because we're, like, together all the time.
01:17:47.520
Have you ever had a long-term relationship with a guy where you hooked up relatively quickly?
01:18:12.780
The longest relationship I've ever had, like, they only last, like, three months, sadly.
01:18:33.080
Like, to attach, like, need their attention all the time.
01:18:35.820
Like, you have, like, an anxious attachment style.
01:18:45.380
I think they just give up on me easily, like...
01:18:47.160
So, they usually end things with you after about three months?
01:18:50.500
Wait, so the longest concurrent period of time that you've ever dated a guy was a three-month
01:18:56.400
Do you want to get married one day or have kids, or...?
01:19:04.580
So, okay, your three-month relationship, how quickly would you say you guys hooked up?
01:19:23.100
I'm trying to figure out how to best frame this, because someone, for example, you could
01:19:25.880
see someone only two times in a month versus...
01:19:34.880
Or you could hang out with someone five times in a one-week period, so, you know, I don't
01:19:40.240
know how exactly I want to frame it, but in any case, you said, what, two weeks or what?
01:19:59.060
I mean, alcohol was involved every single time, okay?
01:20:10.940
So, like, it's like, I don't have a one-night stand.
01:20:13.020
I never had a one-night stand, because the ones I had, I mean, they came back, you know?
01:20:17.260
So, you have, okay, but you're, so you're saying that you did sleep with the men on the
01:20:20.460
first time you met, the first night you met them?
01:20:35.080
So, it's, you kind of, you're, you most likely, like, run into each other before.
01:20:43.500
Like, you most likely know the person, you've seen him before.
01:20:50.520
So, you know, you go to races, you've heard that name, you've seen, yeah.
01:21:05.340
Do you, there's, are there, like, girls at the beach that, like, you see on a regular basis,
01:21:13.520
I mean, I'm, when you're out surfing, you're, I mean, some people like to socialize, but
01:21:18.380
But just to see, like, just what you see, like, not talking to people.
01:21:24.940
You're at, depending on the swell, you're at fucking C Street, you're at Ring Con, you're
01:21:30.440
Okay, no, no, so you're an introvert, like, introvert.
01:21:38.200
Honestly, I would be the same way if I were, like, having to go out and, like, surf.
01:21:41.440
I would, like, probably just pay attention to surfing.
01:21:44.260
Well, yeah, like, I, when I'm surfing, it's not social hour.
01:21:48.140
Like, I want to go out, catch some waves, enjoy myself.
01:21:50.380
But you don't notice, like, what's around you, what people are saying?
01:21:52.740
No, I'm very aware of, like, you, as a surfer, you have to be aware of the lineup.
01:21:59.760
But it's not social hour, especially, like, on a big swell.
01:22:02.860
Like, you're not trying to fucking flirt with the chick when the waves are double overhead
01:22:09.240
Like, it's not exactly your first priority, but.
01:22:12.780
So your point is, like, when you're not on dating apps, that generally you'll have not
01:22:16.460
actually met the person the first time that you're having a one-night stand with.
01:22:22.700
Well, it's just that, like, you would just go hang out.
01:22:25.760
Like, for anyone, okay, so I'll take cycling as an example.
01:22:29.420
Is we don't go on first dates, like, it's more somebody is just going to hit you up
01:22:34.560
and be, like, you're, like, you want to, you know, you want to go for a ride or something.
01:22:46.120
You know, Brian, I just must say I wish you would have more niggas on the show from where
01:22:49.780
I'm from that talk like I talk because then you could get a very different opinion on things.
01:22:53.360
I think you would find out that men do, can go on more than fucking 34 dates in a month.
01:23:00.680
It depends on who they are, where they from, who raised them.
01:23:04.380
So what's crazy is I was just telling my girl, V, on the ride up here from South Central L.A.,
01:23:11.400
you feel me, from L.A., from the hood, is that, you feel me, I don't mean to make it a race thing,
01:23:16.500
but it is a race thing because being a black woman,
01:23:19.320
I've never heard a black woman say that she's fucked on the first date and that nigga end up marrying her.
01:23:26.500
But I have white friends and Hispanic friends that have told me they got down with the get down on the very first date
01:23:33.300
and now they got a ring from that same man that fucked him on the first date.
01:23:45.800
I don't think it got nothing to do with no good.
01:23:50.660
Oh, I just wanted to say, like, my boyfriend now, like,
01:23:53.240
we probably hooked up within four days of knowing each other,
01:23:58.920
and now we're in a long-term committed relationship.
01:24:01.300
And see, that pisses me off because I've never heard a black bitch be able to say that,
01:24:11.920
And people think us black bitches just be talking shit to talk shit.
01:24:14.480
Hold on, Brittany Venti is half, you're half black, half white?
01:24:33.700
Look, we got, y'all kill me with these percentages, baby.
01:24:39.840
My dad is 50% Asian, but race-wise, he is black with straight hair.
01:24:58.300
I don't, if I say that, then everybody looking at me crazy.
01:25:07.360
That's true, like, white people are like, I'm 8% Polish and 25% German.
01:25:24.780
How long, oh, so that guy that I dated the longest for four years, I didn't have sex with
01:25:39.300
I mean, I've never, like, gone long-term with anyone that I've went on dates with.
01:25:44.940
Because, I mean, personally, I'm, like, traditional.
01:25:51.740
I don't have an Excel spreadsheet, like, literally, but I have one in my head.
01:25:56.200
And if I like somebody, I don't want my judgment clouded.
01:26:00.140
And I know you want to come in here really quick, Brent.
01:26:04.300
So you're saying that the guys that you think are, you want to pursue for long-term relationships,
01:26:12.980
But the guys that you would not consider for long-term relationships that are not worthy,
01:26:25.760
Have you ever slept with a guy the same night you met him?
01:26:41.860
So you said that in your long-term relationship, there was a hookup, even though you had known
01:26:46.780
each other prior within the first few dates, and you said you're traditional.
01:26:50.220
Weren't you kind of worried that maybe it would leave an impression on him?
01:26:53.700
Because I feel like guys, as a tendency, not always, obviously, especially nowadays, will
01:27:00.240
view, like, if she were to sleep with me on the first night, well, doesn't she do that
01:27:06.440
Like, were you worried about that sort of thing?
01:27:10.560
I mean, like, I don't usually do that, but I did with him, and there was, like, alcohol
01:27:15.960
But, so, like, after that, we were just, like, inseparable, and we're still together now.
01:27:21.100
And, like, with my relationship, like, we're very traditional.
01:27:26.720
I don't, you know, I even, like, say, like, liking girls' photos on Instagram is cheating
01:27:31.600
or anything like that because, you know, you don't need to look at another girl.
01:27:36.940
Maybe you've just got better stuff to do than taking your dad.
01:27:42.580
Like, it's just going to bring bad stuff, like, to, you know.
01:27:47.860
Like, there's only two guys on this panel, so I'm wondering if Brian thinks that.
01:27:54.600
If he thinks that, like, if a girl slept with you on the first night, would you automatically
01:28:02.580
Um, I certainly think that some men will view it that way, but me personally, I don't necessarily
01:28:10.260
think that the quickness with which a woman will hook up with you on an individual level
01:28:15.980
is necessarily an indicator of past promiscuity or current promiscuity.
01:28:22.200
Because sometimes it's just, like, you know, random.
01:28:24.100
She just either wants you, it could be that she just, she wants you that bad.
01:28:39.060
Instead of, like, well, you know, she was, like, basically naked on her Tinder or whatever
01:28:43.640
Well, I mean, for example, there might be girls, and I've definitely heard from girls
01:28:48.680
on this who, they're virgins, and they don't want to wait for, like, the perfect in love
01:28:54.600
They just kind of, almost in the same way that some guys will view their virginity, is like,
01:29:01.480
So some girls will just, you know, sleep with the guy really quick, even though they're a
01:29:07.200
You don't think it reflects on the committal level at all?
01:29:12.000
Like, if you just met a girl, meaning there's no prior friendship, you haven't really seen
01:29:15.360
her around, you just go on the date, you met on a dating app, whatever, and she just, like,
01:29:19.800
sleeps, so you don't think that she did that with other guys?
01:29:23.240
Well, I mean, it could be, to some degree, an indicator.
01:29:26.480
I think there's stronger indicators of potential promiscuity, because I don't think it necessarily,
01:29:34.540
if a girl sleeps with someone quickly, that it necessarily means that they sleep with a
01:29:38.760
lot of people, for example, someone who's a serial monogamist, you know, they could have
01:29:45.020
long-term relationships and not really be into, like, going out, partying, clubbing,
01:29:50.520
going on, you know, having one-night stands, but they do, they don't have any qualms with
01:29:57.080
hooking up quickly, but they also, but they also aren't just, like, racking up numbers.
01:30:07.400
Well, I'm not sure if serial monogamy is promiscuity.
01:30:10.760
No, not serial monogamy, I mean, like, on the first night, and they're doing that a lot.
01:30:18.860
I don't think that, I don't think you are necessarily promiscuous if you sleep with someone quickly.
01:30:26.540
I think promiscuity has more to do with the amount of partners that you're sleeping with.
01:30:31.720
But when somebody who does that on the first night a lot have a lot of bodies, though?
01:30:36.640
They're more likely to, yes, but it's not, I don't think it's a given.
01:30:39.820
It's not a given, but there's a pretty high likelihood.
01:30:44.000
I mean, that just meant that the wine was good, I mean.
01:30:46.440
I mean, I slept with him, I mean, not necessarily quickly.
01:30:48.960
But you guys were friends prior, so there's that context.
01:30:50.960
We didn't have sex, and, you know, a month or two months in, I had sex with him,
01:30:55.180
which I don't think that'd be too quickly for, like, hookup culture now.
01:30:58.140
But I did that, and I don't have a high body count, but I don't do that often.
01:31:05.180
Yeah, but I'm just saying, because also, like, I used to party a lot in high school, you know,
01:31:14.000
Because it's just, like, the logic, it comes across to me, like,
01:31:18.040
if a woman has sex with all these other guys on the first night, they're a hoe,
01:31:25.480
I understand, like, what you mean by that, and just, like...
01:31:29.100
Because if I were a guy or a girl looking for a long-term relationship,
01:31:32.520
and somebody did that on the first night, especially if I were a guy and it's a girl,
01:31:39.560
But when somebody wants to come in and do that, that's it.
01:31:41.780
Like, a guy would turn down the pussy, like, come on.
01:31:46.780
What if you're just both feeling each other, you're really clicking, and it is romantic?
01:31:56.080
Even for me, if it felt right and amazing, that wouldn't happen for me.
01:32:00.380
Even if it was the perfect night, and I'm just meeting this person.
01:32:03.180
So, and I'm clearly not the only person in the world that exists like that, right?
01:32:08.800
But I guess it depends, too, like, what's your end goal?
01:32:11.280
Like, I don't know, does everyone here want to get married?
01:32:24.480
I'm not particularly interested in just, yeah, having sex with someone once.
01:32:28.900
That's, to me, that's kind of pointless, to sleep with someone once and then never talk
01:32:34.180
That's kind of, like, what's the, for me, it's like, what's the point?
01:32:39.120
If I want to, if I have sex with someone, I want there to be a continuity, I want to
01:32:43.160
continue seeing them, with the hope that it does become something long-term, but, you
01:32:48.240
know, sometimes, whether that's on her end, or there's, I, something.
01:33:07.080
So, wouldn't a woman that's, like, generally higher quality, wouldn't they want that commitment
01:33:16.440
If you were looking for a high-quality partner, you're spending your time with, wouldn't you
01:33:22.740
Would I expect them, would I expect them to want marriage before having sex, or would
01:33:27.020
I just want them to expect marriage in general?
01:33:30.700
Yeah, and having kids, because otherwise it's a baby mom, isn't it?
01:33:33.500
Um, are you saying because if you have a kid with somebody, that's, like, just baby mama,
01:33:40.780
Because my parents aren't married, they're still together and happy.
01:33:44.200
Yeah, some, some people will opt out of it, and they'll be in the committal relationship
01:33:47.200
still, but it is still a baby mama, right, and a baby dad.
01:33:50.040
Well, I mean, in Europe, or even just in Quebec, like, a lot of people don't get married, and
01:33:54.440
I'm sorry, like, calling somebody, like, baby mama, that's a little...
01:33:56.980
No one would call them their baby mama, they would say, that's my girlfriend.
01:34:05.400
If they're together, it's your girlfriend, right?
01:34:09.240
If you guys had a baby right now, would you just be a baby mama?
01:34:12.140
It would be your girlfriend slash baby mama, or baby daddy, yeah.
01:34:17.660
I mean, I think maybe they mean in a sense of, like, they're not together.
01:34:21.660
You know, like, when you think of baby mama, you think of, like, some guy who has a pregnant,
01:34:25.960
like, not pregnant, but, like, with a child's girlfriend, or not girlfriend, they're not
01:34:29.080
together, and, like, they're not together, and so that's his baby mama, but not his girlfriend.
01:34:35.660
I hear you, but I've heard on so many occasions the term they use for it when they're not married.
01:34:41.920
Yeah, when they're not married and they have a kid, his baby mama, his baby daddy.
01:34:45.580
Because technically, even if you're married, you're the baby's mama, so...
01:34:51.820
Because they would just say wife, or a spouse, mother of my children.
01:34:53.200
So why wouldn't they just say girlfriend or boyfriend?
01:34:56.260
People can be committed to each other forever, or whatever, and not want to sign a marriage
01:35:04.260
They could have a ceremony, or whatever, and just not want to do a marriage contract.
01:35:08.280
It would still be, like, technically a marriage.
01:35:09.800
But then you, as the woman, you're having the kid, and what protection or guarantee do you
01:35:16.400
Like, you have a kid with this guy, your fertility...
01:35:26.680
There's more of a commitment and a legal stake in things.
01:35:29.840
Okay, so now they're tied to you because they have to be, even though they don't want to
01:35:33.540
No, but they will think about it more before going into it with you and having that commitment
01:35:39.120
It's like, what's the point if you're not getting married?
01:35:42.540
It's a relationship, but it's like baby mama, baby daddy.
01:35:45.440
It just seems like people don't want the label, even though that's what it is.
01:35:50.960
They don't want, like, the discipline of the label.
01:35:57.200
So people clearly don't like the word, but they still do the thing that the word means.
01:36:02.240
If you're married, you're still the baby's mama.
01:36:11.360
If you're not married, it's a baby mama, baby daddy.
01:36:18.800
Marriage is kind of useless unless you're very Catholic.
01:36:23.940
And for him, it was just something that was disrespectful to do because he doesn't believe in that religion.
01:36:29.620
So, like, marriage was kind of off the table for him and...
01:36:34.580
Like, what if somebody gets into an accident and, you know, you have to be the one that decides...
01:36:46.920
Like, you can sign in front of, like, somebody to say, if I die, this is what happens.
01:36:55.360
And the same thing with, like, property and things like that.
01:36:57.580
But there are things that come with marriage that are beneficial to both people.
01:37:00.700
And it's a symbolic way of saying, this is our commitment and also we have a stake in it.
01:37:05.640
So, we're going to really think about it before we go into it.
01:37:10.780
But you're assuming that it just jumps from wife and husband to baby mama, baby daddy.
01:37:14.200
Like, there's no type of relationships in between.
01:37:16.620
If you're married, then it wouldn't be baby mama, baby daddy.
01:37:18.180
But if you're in a long-term relationship and it's your boyfriend and girlfriend, then it's baby mama and baby daddy?
01:37:31.640
So, if you don't have legal rights to each other, then it just jumps to be like, where are you getting that?
01:37:39.100
No, I'm just saying you're the only one who's saying it's used like that.
01:37:41.900
Just because somebody didn't tie the knot doesn't mean that it's baby mama, baby daddy, whatever.
01:37:49.740
But then why not get married then if you don't like the term?
01:37:54.420
Am I the only one that's heard this as a term of endearment?
01:38:01.440
Okay, we're getting way too caught up on the baby mama.
01:38:05.320
It seems like a lot of people don't want the discipline of the label.
01:38:08.960
Like, oh, it's just not well defined versus like, this is my wife or this is my husband versus this is a...
01:38:17.300
Like, I was like 18, so the times that I heard the word like baby mama or baby daddy for the first time,
01:38:23.500
that was not in circumstances that were very flattering.
01:38:27.560
Okay, well, I have a child, and we weren't married, but we lived together.
01:38:40.760
Yeah, but then we're together together, like still together together.
01:38:46.360
Well, that was your circumstance, because unfortunately, you know, he passed and everything.
01:38:57.180
So she's not a baby mama then, if she's engaged.
01:39:01.780
But if you just have a kid and you're in a relationship, it's baby mama.
01:39:06.300
Because the difference between not being married and legally speaking and having the baby outside of it,
01:39:16.400
Well, legally, as a lawyer, we never use the term baby mama if the mother and father are not married.
01:39:22.660
Plenty of people use it that are still together and have a kid.
01:39:26.960
And I'm not the only one who's noticed that she pointed out as well.
01:39:29.440
I think when people are in a relationship, they don't use it.
01:39:31.780
It seems like she even clarified when usually they're not together.
01:39:38.300
I think it depends on what slang you use, though, because it's like a slang.
01:39:46.080
If you're willing to commit to someone, you are legally bound to them.
01:39:49.080
That's more of a commitment than just, I'm going to have a baby with somebody,
01:39:52.740
and there's no plans to have that commitment with them.
01:39:57.080
Yeah, that's like, oh, we just hooked up and we are having a baby together.
01:40:03.500
Living together, building a life together, that's different.
01:40:08.460
Okay, you said that you made a guy who you wanted to be in a relationship, you made him
01:40:15.420
I didn't know if I wanted to be in a relationship, but yeah, six months.
01:40:19.760
And I slept naked in the bed with him and everything.
01:40:23.480
Actually, every guy except one that I've had sex with, I slept a whole night in the bed naked.
01:40:32.740
What's the quickest period of time that you've hooked up with a guy?
01:40:35.620
I just told you, the guy I do BG content with now, we hooked up the same day we met.
01:40:42.800
What would you say is your average is of all the men you've slept with?
01:41:08.900
I've only moved out in the last four or five years.
01:41:27.740
That means that there's guys willing to go on the dates with her.
01:41:30.620
So, like, if they're already willing to do that, like, that doesn't necessarily mean
01:41:33.480
she has to sleep with them that they're getting that.
01:41:35.900
She's clearly able to, like, replicate it a lot, right?
01:41:39.940
So, I think it's believable if you're not sleeping with every single one, if you're able to replicate
01:41:52.000
Yeah, but you've seen how bad simps are online.
01:41:55.000
I told you, I like to get to know, and if I have sex with someone...
01:41:57.140
It's not that you're a simp for doing that, though.
01:41:58.600
I start filling in gaps, and I'm very analytical, and so I want to, like, take in all the information,
01:42:03.520
get to know the person, and then I'll sleep with them.
01:42:16.460
Yeah, honestly, having sexual discipline is, like, a green flag.
01:42:19.440
Like, if I was sleeping in the bed naked with you, and you, like, you need to be on your
01:42:28.600
This doesn't make any sense to me, because the guy who you are now currently fucking,
01:42:33.940
...speaking of sexual discipline, you slept with him, like, the first time you met,
01:42:42.080
And he asked me, like, he asked me about my star sign, I wouldn't...
01:42:51.600
The guys you do like, you make them wait for the reward or sex.
01:42:56.320
However, the guy who you dislike, you fuck him immediately.
01:42:59.660
Well, I've only slept with seven people, so clearly I don't...
01:43:02.480
If I just dislike you, it doesn't mean I automatically have sex with you.
01:43:07.580
But of the seven people you've slept with, the one that you slept with the quickest,
01:43:12.360
I find it interesting that you didn't like him.
01:43:16.820
He met the threshold for I'll have sex with him, but he didn't mean anything.
01:43:19.760
So he's just, what, very physically attractive?
01:43:22.000
No, he just felt like a vibe, and I wanted BG content.
01:43:27.760
Yeah, he felt like he'd be good for the role, and he's great for the role.
01:43:33.980
But would it be better if she did just sleep with every single guy she went on a date on?
01:43:37.900
No, and I don't think it's a bad thing for a woman who waits, but I guess my sticking
01:43:43.760
point with it is, is when you had a way you moved previously, where it was like, okay,
01:43:52.200
I'm just going to hook up with guys really quick, and then you did that throughout your
01:43:56.340
20s, and now you're 30, and okay, now, hmm, I want to find a relationship.
01:44:03.140
Now, I'm going to switch up my behavior, and the guys in my past, they were all jerks,
01:44:10.820
Wait, I have to interject here, because earlier you said that it doesn't reflect if the woman
01:44:22.520
I don't see, I'm not sure there's a contradiction there.
01:44:25.000
So, earlier you said it doesn't necessarily reflect if the woman sleeps around or not,
01:44:30.080
No, I'm saying on the sole metric of the quickness with which a woman might sleep with
01:44:37.480
someone, I don't think you can necessarily assume that she's promiscuous or has a high
01:44:42.920
body count based on the quickness that she sleeps with someone.
01:44:46.840
Now, it could be a factor amongst other factors that might lead you to believing that, but.
01:44:52.520
But, okay, I see what you're saying, but you also said that them sleeping around a lot
01:44:58.420
isn't necessarily a good thing, which I agree, I'm anti-hookup culture in general.
01:45:04.320
If a woman who's a virgin sleeps with someone the first night she meets them, is she automatically
01:45:09.920
Um, it wouldn't be a pattern behavior yet, but it is a promiscuous thing to do.
01:45:14.820
It is a promiscuous thing to do, objectively speaking.
01:45:17.820
Yeah, and it seems out of behavior, like if she on drugs, she's drinking.
01:45:21.680
She's on the path to promiscuity, I suppose you could, she's taking her first step.
01:45:26.820
It, well, I think the obvious promiscuous behavior would be, the one that immediately
01:45:39.240
That to me is the clearest definition of what promiscuity is.
01:45:44.500
So, what I'm trying to say is if you sleep with someone quickly, it doesn't necessarily
01:45:51.440
For example, let's say the first person you ever slept with, you ended up dating them for
01:45:55.740
two years, and then you were single for a little bit, and then the next person you sleep with,
01:46:00.560
you then have a three-year relationship, you sleep with them on the second date, and then
01:46:04.560
your third relationship, you slept with them the first night.
01:46:08.560
You've slept with three people, but all of them you slept with relatively quickly, but
01:46:12.700
they all ended up becoming long-term relationships.
01:46:15.340
I don't think you could consider that woman, or man, promiscuous.
01:46:24.940
I still think that doesn't change that it's promiscuous behavior.
01:46:28.760
Because when you're doing that, you don't even know the person.
01:46:32.660
It's not even really a situationship at that point.
01:46:37.600
I think if you're going to make a bet, though, the best predictor of future behavior is past
01:46:43.880
So, if you don't have much to go on, and you're like, I wonder what kind of person
01:46:46.760
this is, then you would be like, okay, if she's doing this with me, it's a good guess to say
01:46:54.420
Like, in my situation, I've only done that once, and so he would be wrong, but I don't
01:46:58.580
think he would be wrong in making that assumption, which is, I think, what you're saying.
01:47:03.240
But the point is, the relationship didn't work, and I think that's what she's talking
01:47:06.060
about, is that these, like, relationships where they just met each other, they instantly
01:47:10.160
had sex, like, what's the odds that's going to work?
01:47:14.020
There's a lot of risks involved when you get that intimate with someone in general.
01:47:17.600
Like, what I said earlier, like, you're opening up yourself to somebody, like, in such a vulnerable
01:47:21.960
position, like, there's a risk with, like, hooking up, hooking up with somebody, and hookup
01:47:28.700
The whole point is to see the person's crazy before you do anything serious.
01:47:31.700
Well, I think we should also add some context to the situation, too, because, for example,
01:47:37.360
if, certainly if you meet someone at a nightclub, and you're both intoxicated, and you hook up
01:47:42.360
relatively quickly in those circumstances, you know, that is perhaps not the best starting
01:47:51.200
However, if, you know, you met at, I don't know, some, you met in person at some sort of
01:47:58.600
shared hobby, or, you know, you had a conversation that, about expectations in the
01:48:06.260
relationship, and, you know, you didn't meet at some, in some sort of party environment where
01:48:11.080
alcohol was involved, or another contextual thing might be people who are traveling around.
01:48:17.080
If the person that you're about to sleep with, they're in town for two days, and they live
01:48:24.740
I don't think that makes it less promiscuous, though.
01:48:26.960
I understand what you're saying with the different contexts of the situations, but I have to ask
01:48:32.180
the question, what would someone that does partake in hookup culture and likes to have
01:48:36.940
casual sex, they go on a date, what would they do?
01:48:40.660
Generally speaking, they like that they would have sex with them, right?
01:48:42.880
So, then what does it say about somebody, if they're doing that, they just meet someone
01:48:48.160
Because I know for me, as somebody that's against that, that I wouldn't do that.
01:48:52.800
So, I'm betting that other people, like, just pattern behavior also wouldn't want to do that.
01:48:59.100
So, somebody that is promiscuous, they do sleep on the first day.
01:49:09.080
So, I think it does reflect her behavior, just by definition.
01:49:16.200
If you're lucky, maybe she was just really in that mood, maybe she just really had a good
01:49:20.020
date, there's a possibility, but very likely that she's just promiscuous.
01:49:25.300
If she doesn't text you after and she ghosts you, then, yeah, she's definitely promiscuous.
01:49:31.900
Like, what if you go into it and you're like, oh, this guy's awesome, we're vibing, we have
01:49:35.000
so much in common, and then it's like, don't ever touch me.
01:49:43.020
Also, you could grow sexually in that relationship.
01:49:48.340
I mean, if you could stay with them if you really like them and grow with them and figure
01:49:52.420
out what, you know, works right for you and, like, all that.
01:49:56.480
Well, what if it's so bad, you're like, I don't ever want to see this person again?
01:50:01.760
Why can't you do that with getting to know them first, though, and then you sleep?
01:50:05.220
Well, no, I'm just saying, hypothetically, like, you're just like, I never want to, like,
01:50:10.740
I don't ever want to see, like, it ruins your image of them.
01:50:18.500
I can get that, but, like, I mean, personally, if they're just, like, bad or they're a virgin,
01:50:22.640
I mean, you could grow with them, you know, and work sexually to, like, you know, get what
01:50:30.700
You don't have to just break up with someone just because they're not good at sex.
01:50:36.140
If you really like them, you'll probably work through it.
01:50:41.400
I think in the grand scheme of things, though, at the end of the day, it really just depends
01:50:46.060
But I think if somebody wants a long-term commitment, and therefore marriage should
01:50:50.780
be the goal, and therefore you should do things that a person that wants to get married would
01:50:54.940
And I don't think sleeping around with people on the first night is something that someone
01:51:03.220
Well, to get back to the original thing, though, I guess my quarrel is, you know, there can be
01:51:11.920
trends that I've noticed where, for example, a woman throughout her 20s, she'll gladly engage
01:51:19.060
in hookup culture, sleep with people relatively quickly, and then, or even, you know, within
01:51:25.800
the same time frame, she'll have one standard for one set of guy, and then another standard
01:51:31.660
So the guy who, he's just really attractive or whatever, she'll sleep with him quick.
01:51:36.720
She doesn't have any expectation of a relationship.
01:51:39.980
However, the guy she wants a relationship from, she makes him wait for sex, even if maybe he
01:51:50.760
Well, I mean, she has a standard for the guy she wants to sleep with because she doesn't
01:51:54.380
But like, for me, like I said, the reason I wait, the more I like a guy is because I
01:52:00.340
I want to see how emotionally intelligent they are.
01:52:04.420
And if I have sex with them, my brain is going to want to fill in those gaps and be like,
01:52:12.560
But it's just, it's a, it's an odd standard to have.
01:52:19.620
Because to you, it seems like it doesn't actually matter if they have that standard that they'll
01:52:23.640
sleep with Chad, but not the nerd or whatever, because as long as they're sleeping with you,
01:52:32.020
Well, because it's like you're commenting on that style, right?
01:52:36.440
Of, oh, well, will you hook up with a Chad, but then make this other guy wait?
01:52:40.680
Because he's kind of like being portrayed in this situation as a simp.
01:52:44.440
I'm not saying that waiting makes you a simp, by the way, obviously.
01:52:50.820
And I don't expect them to be like waiting for me.
01:52:53.400
But it's just that it seems like, because you said you are okay with a girl doing it
01:52:58.180
on the first date and you could see that being a long-term thing.
01:53:06.160
You said you would think about marrying a bitch that literally took on a birthday.
01:53:12.840
Well, you would consider a long-term relationship with a girl that give it up on the first night.
01:53:19.600
You would consider that truly deep down in your soul and heart?
01:53:24.660
I mean, look, again, you have to understand there's other criteria with which you can
01:53:34.580
To me, I don't think the quickness with which a woman sleeps with someone is necessarily
01:53:43.840
But you be talking about these girls be out here getting ran through.
01:53:47.100
Okay, so for example, you can make the argument that women who are promiscuous, more likely
01:53:55.100
However, not all women who sleep with people quickly are promiscuous.
01:53:59.020
So you're saying that women that aren't promiscuous do promiscuous behavior?
01:54:06.940
I'm not entirely following, but I think you're a little too stuck on some comment that I previously
01:54:12.700
He's looking at the totality of the circumstances.
01:54:14.440
Right, because you're saying that women that aren't promiscuous do promiscuous behavior.
01:54:23.820
So you're saying the only criteria for promiscuity is dealing with someone?
01:54:28.120
Promiscuous behavior would be fucking a lot of dudes.
01:54:31.120
Like, I mean, with my boyfriend, I did it pretty quick than, like, any other guy I dated.
01:54:36.020
And I don't think that necessarily makes me promiscuous.
01:54:38.620
But I think you're meaning in the stance of doing it a lot.
01:54:42.480
Because you could, like, have sex with someone, like, right when you meet them the first night,
01:54:48.960
What does a woman have to do for you to declare them promiscuous?
01:54:52.580
Is it just she sleeps with one guy on one night the first time?
01:54:57.060
Are we looking at the totality of the circumstances?
01:55:00.700
Sorry, I was distracted by her giving middle finger.
01:55:04.580
Somebody said what I already addressed on the first episode I was on is that I sound like a man.
01:55:15.340
But to answer your question, promiscuous behavior, especially if it's repeated, right?
01:55:20.980
So, promiscuous behavior, if a woman engages in promiscuous behavior, and to you, promiscuous behavior could literally just mean sleeping with a man one time for the first time, and then it's done.
01:55:34.420
She might be, but he's saying that she may not be here.
01:55:43.440
Would you say that showing cleavage or dressing in a revealing manner is promiscuous behavior?
01:55:49.420
Well, I think that cleavage has a degree, right?
01:55:53.160
Because some women are more curvy than others, and, for example, you can't get away with wearing the same things on a societal level if you have bigger breasts than girls who have smaller breasts.
01:56:05.320
So, for example, I saw on one of the episodes the one where the girl flashed, which, by the way, was really messed up for her to do.
01:56:12.900
But, like, for example, Madison, I think her name is?
01:56:16.520
So, like, you were wearing this cute blue top, but it was, like, a lingerie top.
01:56:22.320
And as somebody who's grown up wearing normal clothes and getting called a whore, if I wear something that has, like, any cleavage because I'm more curvy, I get curious.
01:56:30.240
So I check the comments to see, like, I wonder if anyone mentions, like, it's a lingerie.
01:56:35.560
But, like, I noticed, like, in that example and in general that girls that are more petite, skinnier, they get away a lot more wearing the same clothing.
01:56:43.280
I mean, I would borrow, like, some of my friends' clothes that are, you know, like, D-cups and, you know, I would get away with pretty much anything versus they would be told, like, no, go home, go get changed.
01:56:54.540
Um, I'd like to say also that I'm anti-porn and I noticed a comment that one of my friends sent me was that I had a top on and it's, like, from Brandy Melville and most of the models that they have.
01:57:06.520
And I was having a low shirt and someone said, like, oh, the person, um, it was, like, kind of, like, a little, like, kind of, yeah.
01:57:15.980
And I had, like, the one with the buttons down the middle?
01:57:18.500
And, um, and someone said the girl at the lowest hanging top is anti-porn and it's, like, well, I have breasts, you know.
01:57:27.900
And if any other girl that, you know, doesn't, like, it looks modest on her.
01:57:35.860
And I just thought that's weird because what I'm wearing has nothing to do with, you know, being anti-porn.
01:57:40.600
And obviously there's a way you could dress promiscuous and be curvy or, like, a skinny girl doing it too, but it just seems like there's different standards.
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So, I don't necessarily believe, like, a centimeter of cleavage equals promiscuous.
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Well, I think you are a little too hyper-focused specifically on the cleavage component of what I said.
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They'll literally wear the same top and one has bigger chest.
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Yeah, and it's, like, can't relate to having big tits.
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My view of promiscuity, while I suppose the quickness with which you sleep with someone could, you could make some inferences about their promiscuity,
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I think ultimately the main thing you'd have to look at is how many sexual partners they have, how many people they're sleeping with.
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But he's saying the definition of promiscuity is sleeping with multiple people.
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He's saying the definition, which is the most widely accepted, is somebody who has a lot of sexual partners is a promiscuous person.
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That is the definition, but there's also promiscuous behavior, right?
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Like, there's a difference between having, like, a little bit of cleavage or wearing a mini skirt and then, like, having your ass cheeks falling out of a skirt and having, like, your nipples almost showing in a shirt.
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So, you're saying you could engage in promiscuous behavior, though, and not be promiscuous, then?
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There's a line to where it is or isn't promiscuous in terms of, like, dressing, fashion-wise, for example.
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So, he's saying that, yeah, if sleeping with someone on a first date is promiscuous behavior, that doesn't necessarily mean they're promiscuous because promiscuous has a definition.
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But promiscuous behavior means you did sleep with multiple people.
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So, I think for the time, it does mean that because...
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Meaning they could decide, meaning later on, maybe they stop doing that and they're no longer a promiscuous person.
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So, to you, the definition of promiscuous doesn't mean to sleep with multiple people.
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The word promiscuous means to do that behavior, right?
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So, you're not separating behavior from promiscuous.
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It's like, is promiscuous behavior different from promiscuous women?
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And if somebody has promiscuous behavior, then they are promiscuous women.
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So, if you have promiscuous behavior, for that time being, unless you change later on...
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Does promiscuous mean that you have multiple partners?
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Because that's what the widely accepted definition of promiscuous means.
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If a girl was a virgin, but then she had an OnlyFans, and she does full nude, full engaged
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porn on her site, wouldn't she be called promiscuous, despite her being a virgin?
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Yo, Adam, thank you for the 20 gifted memberships.
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Even if a dictionary says, this is a young thing, you use it very differently than the
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But if they don't know the actual definition and what something means, then they're using
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You're using it different than how we would use it, for instance.
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It's just people are drawing the different lines.
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But not all promiscuous behavior necessarily means a promiscuous woman.
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Are we talking about right now or in the future?
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I mean, if that's the message that you're sending, maybe...
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You know, if you show cleavage, you're sending promiscuous...
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So, you're defining promiscuous women as any promiscuous cleavage is arranged, right?
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Okay, promiscuity is inherently about sexual non-selectiveness with numerous people.
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So, if you have an OnlyFans, that could qualify.
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But you're posting pictures of yourself online.
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While sleeping on the first date may not mean the woman is promiscuous,
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But I think sexual discipline is very important.
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So, like, would you commit to a girl, she's only slept with you,
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So, if a girl was a virgin and she had full nude OnlyFans,
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it's pornographic, it's intended to make men coom, right?
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So, she's a virgin, she only had sex with you, right?
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She's no longer virgin because she had sex with you,
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Would you consider being in a long-term relationship,
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meaning, like, the equivalent of marriage and having kids with her?
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I would much rather date a woman who doesn't have OnlyFans.
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I don't think having an OnlyFans necessarily means you are promiscuous.
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There's other factors with which you can disqualify a potential partner besides promiscuity.
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For example, having your nude content online may be a boundary for some men that doesn't
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Like, you see they're either not exclusive with you that she's had 30 sexual partners
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or she's not exclusive with you, as in she's had lots of people on the internet looking at her.
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But why are we throwing this under the promiscuous umbrella?
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Because you're saying that promiscuity, please.
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No, because you're saying you would not prefer that.
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I also wouldn't prefer a guy who had an OnlyFans showing their bubble.
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You're saying that you wouldn't date her, which is fair, right?
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Why do you have an averse to OnlyFans if it's not promiscuous?
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For example, if I do want to have kids with a woman and she has her nude photographs online,
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not ideal, the kids may be subject to bullying.
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Also, I think there's some reputational concerns of, you know, amongst my peer group...
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It's like a societal, cultural thing that there are...
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I think porn and showing your body naked online is stigmatized.
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Not because of promiscuity, but just on its own, it's stigmatized.
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Are you trying to get me to say that it's promiscuous?
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I think you're getting really stuck on the promisc...
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Because I would be like, yeah, that's kind of promiscuous behavior.
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I don't know if it's promiscuous behavior to have an only word.
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I don't think we disagree on the actual underlying meaning,
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but I'm not sure if the word usage here is precise.
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You defined it earlier, which is why I further asked you.
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Because you said it's to be sexual multiple people,
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Somebody defined promiscuous, and let's go by that definition.
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or do you feel like I haven't addressed your...
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that comes from the act of it being promiscuous.
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That's why she had hoe in her bio, for example,
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because she's aware of the stigma that it says.
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But okay, so we're basically having an argument about words.
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Let's disregard this disagreement on what promiscuity is,
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Or are we just arguing about, well, what is promiscuity?
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and I feel like you're not acknowledging the reason that it's bad,
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which is because it's viewed as promiscuous behavior.
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So then promiscuous behavior is separate from promiscuity.
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If promiscuity certainly means having multiple partners,
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Because you could have promiscuous behavior and not have multiple partners.
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Right, but you're selling yourself sexually for men's gratification to the masses.
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And that means that you have multiple partners?
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Yeah, selling your physical body, you're selling...
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So I just negated your definition since I don't have multiple partners.
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So if someone sees you on YouTube and they think you're really hot
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It's generally giving out sex, even if it's transactional,
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So you're redefining promiscuity away from his definition.
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No, he defined it earlier as giving away sex to multiple people.
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this girl's a virgin, she's only been with you,
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But using the words that just came out of your mouth,
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Multiple men are engaging in a transaction with you that's sexual...
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You're selling your sexuality to multiple men, not sex.
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Isn't that the whole point of the relationship,
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You're getting rid of the thing that makes you exclusive to the other person.
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they're not going to know exactly what the person looks like naked
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I think we're arguing over semantics here, so...
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sleeping with other men versus her posting nude...
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but I don't know why you need to tag on the promiscuity label to it.
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Well, I thought we were okay with adding labels here.
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Okay, then what about Iman, David Bowie's wife?
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I can go and name off so many models that do nude, you know, photos.
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Or what about somebody that does nude modeling for art school?
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OF girls sell a product to addicts in the same way a dealer does, and they rationalize it.
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And blonde has a weird, I don't want to know complex.
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This came in like over an hour ago, so I think this was related to our discussion on...
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So, I mean, if somebody owns a donut shop, right?
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Like, people can enjoy the donut in moderation.
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It's not a detriment to everyone who gets a donut, even though a donut could be unhealthy
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if you have an unhealthy relationship with food.
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If someone did that to someone once, wouldn't they be considered a M-U-R-D-E-R-E-R?
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My point is, if someone owns a bar and there are some alcoholics, but they're selling
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the alcohol to everybody, then are they selling a product to addicts?
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Technically, some of them are, but are they responsible for that?
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So porn addicts are actually a very small portion of porn.
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Ladies, if your dream man got you pregnant, but he did not want the child and you did,
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I'm pro-life, so get the fuck out would be my response to that.
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I would have the kid and say, I see you in court, motherfucker.
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I think I definitely wouldn't be attracted, and it wouldn't be my dream man who had that
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I think it's a challenge, and if I got into that position, I think I could do it.
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I wouldn't want to raise a child on my own, but I definitely think I would step up and
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Well, I would find it interesting to know what a guy would do in the reverse.
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What if he wanted to keep the baby, but she didn't.
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Like, if he gets someone else pregnant, and then, like, she doesn't want to keep her
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Guys, men can get pregnant, too, now, remember?
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So, what would you do in that situation, Brittany?
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Think before you sleep, doesn't want to have a kid.
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Wait, are you guys waiting until marriage, or what?
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I don't know if that's too much TMI, but you guys waiting until marriage?
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If it's kind of the part of, like, why you don't have one-night stands or have sex, too.
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It's a little bit, even the constant situations.
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Like, if you have sex on the first date, but you knew each other years before and you've
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already pre-vetted a person, that's a little bit different than just you met the person yesterday
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About, like, the, oh, we're waiting until marriage.
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No, you said that you were waiting until you two would get married to have sex.
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I think I was talking about the, until after we had a conversation about, and then.
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Oh, so you got, wait, so you're saying that you guys hooked up on the first date?
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You went from, like, hooking up two babies and that, yeah.
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They are waiting until they get married to have children.
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No, the conversation about abortion is what he was asking, right?
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So we would have had that conversation before we had sex, is what I was saying.
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Like, you should, that's why you shouldn't have, like.
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Let me ask the, let me ask the panel a question here related to this question from Bender,
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What would you tell a guy in this scenario who says he gets his girl pregnant, you know,
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maybe he thought, maybe she was on birth control, but, you know, sometimes it's not 100% effective
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or, in any case, he doesn't want to have the kid.
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Would you tell the guy you should have just kept it in your pants?
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Like, obviously, I think everyone at the table is going to agree, like, yeah, no third
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Yeah, I don't know how deep we want to go down the rabbit hole on this.
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I think abortion, talking about abortion is fine, but.
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It is interesting that people, for example, who might consider themselves pro-choice, you
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know, they might say, well, it's a woman's choice, blah, blah, blah.
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And they would scoff at someone telling a woman who's opting to get an abortion, well, you
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But when it comes to men who are in the identical situation, it, you often hear from people who
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might consider themselves pro-choice, oh, well, you should have just been more careful.
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But if you were to say that to a woman who opts for an abortion or wants to get an abortion,
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No, they're both stupid things to say, although they're true, but, like, you know, it happens
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Are you still, like, did you take drugs before you came here?
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Mr. Cappadocia, ladies, fill out your dating profile.
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Just for the sake of moving the conversation along, I'll have the girls answer one of these.
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What are your political leanings, starting with Miss Brittany Venti?
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I think I would lean right, but I don't, I think I'm one of those people that's, like, technically
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I feel like that's becoming more common nowadays.
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Because it depends on what the thing is, right?
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Whoever's lowering my taxes, who I'm going for.
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I guess it depends who's running, literally, because, like, that Kennedy is running, he's
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I mean, more like libertarian mentality, like more in the middle.
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I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm always going to vote Republican or always committed
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But, yeah, I'm pro-free speech, pro-right to own a gun to defend yourself, especially
02:18:28.340
So, are you happy that Elon Musk took over Twitter?
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You know, he needs to unshadow-ban my account because you can't even untick the thing about,
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like, sensitive content, and he won't even unshadow-ban me.
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Since you identified she, her, I guess this applies to you, too.
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I would have been more, like, I think the more you listen to politics, the more you listen
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Like, you think, like, Dan Crenshaw had a very, like, hard right lean, and then during COVID
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So, I thought seeing people on the right do the kind of things that I was very, very
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against people on the left doing, and the people on the left doing the kind of things
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that they would, said they wouldn't do, like, pushed me a lot more center.
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It's like everybody's kind of an asshole in politics.
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So, I actually got started on this whole online thing because I'm so against, like,
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So, I watched Star Wars, and I went and saw the Disney, you know, The Last Jedi, and I
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Because they started putting politics into Star Wars, and I'm very against that.
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And I honestly have no interest in politics, so I'm not even educated enough to talk about
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Because if you're in the same household, and you're, like, voting against each other's
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So, in the last California election, I did go, and I was reading the policies, and so
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it wasn't based on, you know, what party is for which one.
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I would just say I'm apolitical, because for me, I...
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So, itemize everything, and there's no one party that has everything.
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I don't know what that left, right shit y'all talking about even me, baby.
02:21:05.180
Also, you described yourself, Sophia, as a radical feminist last time on the show.
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I mean, I feel like it's a broad definition to, like, define it, you know, with feminism and whole.
02:21:24.260
I mean, like, the dictionary definition is, like, you know, the women's rights, and here in America, I feel like my feminism, like, for me, as a feminist, it's more so of, like, a social thing.
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I mean, the only right, like, rights we're, like, whoops, sorry, working here for is, like, abortion.
02:21:54.160
So, are you, like, um, I think I know what you mean, because I've seen...
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Because radical feminist is really different in the dictionary definition than how it's actually applied on the internet.
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Like, how do you feel about, like, certain offensive words, things like that?
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I mean, I think, you know, some offensive words are offensive because they're, you know, offensive.
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But, um, I don't really think about that too much, about the wokeness thing or whatever.
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Because, I mean, I think it's okay to not, like, you know, normalize, like, I don't know, little, like, racism.
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So, how do you feel about, like, cancel culture, for example?
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But, um, one thing is, I would say a radical feminist because I'm very anti-porn.
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Yeah, that seems to be one of the biggest differences.
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You're an actual feminist, like, at the pure definition of it.
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So, that's why, um, because, like, with liberal feminism, I'm pretty sure they're, like, super, like, only fans this and that.
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And so, that's why I kind of, like, come to terms with radical feminism is what I'd call myself because if I just said feminist, they'd be, like, oh, liberal feminist, you know?
02:23:21.640
And you, like, fuck every person that comes into the room.
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Yeah, so one thing is, like, that's why I say radical feminism, or feminist, because I'm very anti-porn.
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And, um, I agree with some of their other things, but that's one of my big ones.
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But are you one of those feminists that you have to tear down a man to, you know, rise women up?
02:23:40.320
Because that's what's going on in comics right now, where they have to switch out all the male superheroes with female superheroes,
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because that's the only way that they feel it's empowering to women.
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I mean, I think one thing is that there's a problem with that, where, like, on both sides, like, with feminism,
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and I don't know what the other side would be, but, like, maybe let's just say red pillars.
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Like, they're creating this war between, like, men and women.
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Yeah, and we need to stop dividing each other and come together.
02:24:06.700
I mean, biologically, yes, we do have some differences.
02:24:10.460
But, um, like, one thing, like, calling a woman emotional, I mean, I just think that's a little insensitive.
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It's just society is stigmatized being emotional.
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Another thing I have a problem with is this feminine, masculine stuff.
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It's, like, I mean, noun definition, feminine means female, you know, sex or gender.
02:24:42.620
And, but the adjective, um, definition could be, like, um, I'm trying to think.
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There was this one word I just didn't really like, but it was, um, I can't remember it.
02:24:55.040
But it's just, like, you know, emotional is one.
02:24:58.020
And another one is, I'm trying to think of the word.
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But are, okay, are there temperamental differences between men and women?
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But, like, the, the modern, like, super leftist feminist would say no.
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They would say men and women are exactly the same.
02:25:29.160
Yeah, I think she said that there's no physical strength differences between.
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It's, like, if you look at the world records, it's, like, double.
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Like, the highest deadlift for a man is, like, 1,200.
02:25:38.300
Yeah, they've done that for, like, grip strength, too.
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Like, they'll just take out of the population just a bunch of, ton of women, ton of men,
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It's pretty, I mean, it's kind of self-evident that there's strength differences naturally
02:25:55.180
I think you were about to talk about the patriarchy and the oppression.
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Because, like, I see how a lot of radfems are on Twitter and things like that and forums
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It's very different in terms of, like, how they think, in terms of what's offensive
02:26:20.220
Like, now it's been co-opted to, you know, mean, like, manosphere, red pill, whatever term
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It's very much, like, the same thing that feminists.
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If you can't define your feminism or other brands of feminism, you're probably not a feminist.
02:26:43.880
I mean, like I said, it's a very broad thing to define.
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It means, you know, like, the dictionary definition for feminism is the rights for women rights
02:27:01.180
That's why it's, like, a very niche thing versus, like, leftist feminism, communistic
02:27:08.280
And, like I said, I mean, for America, I'd say it's more social for me with my feminism
02:27:15.260
And in other countries, I mean, with radical feminism, another thing is we do care about,
02:27:19.200
like, other countries and what women's problems are there, you know?
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And because it's, like, we're not all living in America.
02:27:26.920
And all over the world, there are problems for, in different countries, in third world
02:27:32.820
But specifically here in America, I'd say it's more a social thing than a right thing,
02:27:38.180
like, or policies, government, you know, all that.
02:27:41.120
But, I mean, you just said you were fighting for equal rights for women.
02:27:48.660
I thought I heard equal rights, but maybe you're referencing, like, other countries.
02:27:53.040
What do you think about, do you believe in the patriarchy?
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I mean, it's a system, well, like, I'll say my definition on that is that it's a thing,
02:28:13.120
a social thing, a society thing, that is causing disadvantages for women and men.
02:28:21.060
I mean, like, with the red pill stuff, I mean, like, telling guys that they shouldn't cry,
02:28:30.720
I'm not sure exactly how the vulnerability stuff falls into.
02:28:32.800
I mean, like, with the patriarchy, vulnerability is, like, a thing.
02:28:35.940
I mean, men are being told not to show emotions.
02:28:44.820
I mean, I don't disagree with you that perhaps men are taught to not be vulnerable.
02:28:51.140
But I think, let's keep it within the context of romantic relationships.
02:28:56.760
Men are typically, if men are vulnerable in front of women, especially early on in a relationship,
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So, it's reinforced, men's supposed lack of vulnerability is reinforced by women's punishment of said vulnerability.
02:29:15.160
I mean, just because one girl says on Fresh and Fit, like, oh, if a man cried, I'd break up with him.
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Or if my boyfriend cried, I'd break up with him.
02:29:23.740
Would you say, generally speaking, that women are attracted to men who approach them in a confident way
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or men who approach them if they're a bit shy or nervous?
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I mean, generally speaking, it depends on the person.
02:29:40.360
I mean, I'm just saying that, like, you can't just generalize everyone.
02:29:43.760
That's another problem is we're generalizing everyone, men and women.
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And it's selling ourselves shorts because we don't all like the same things.
02:29:52.180
Would you, or any guys, would you be turned off by a woman who cries in front of you early on
02:30:04.420
If a girl, yeah, if a girl cried on the first date, I'm like, okay, what's going on here?
02:30:08.600
You're going to think, okay, this girl's like, she has issues.
02:30:13.100
Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's a, if that's a one-to-one to the example I gave where a guy's
02:30:21.800
Oh, yeah, that's, I mean, two different things.
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I think that's, I mean, some guys like, or some girls like shy guys.
02:30:29.340
Well, vulnerable, vulnerable is different than being emotional.
02:30:31.440
Okay, so how does someone being nervous versus confident relate to being vulnerable?
02:30:35.440
Well, that's being, if you approach a girl and you're a bit nervous, maybe, let's say
02:30:40.200
a confident guy approaches a girl and then a nervous guy approaches the girl.
02:30:44.780
Neither of them are creepy, but one guy's kind of a bit nervous and then the other guy's
02:30:48.720
confident, who do you think is going to be more successful?
02:30:52.020
But if the confident guy later has a vulnerable moment with you, that's fine.
02:30:56.660
But this idea that vulnerability is, is some sort of desired trait in men.
02:31:02.840
I don't think vulnerability means shy and nervous.
02:31:05.460
Wouldn't it be a vulnerable thing instead of just being the super mega confident guy to
02:31:10.600
like, actually, maybe you approach a girl and, hey, you're not Superman.
02:31:15.420
I think if a guy approached me and was like, hey, I'm really nervous, but you're
02:31:20.880
I think a lot of women, you can say that, but a lot of women are going to look at a
02:31:24.180
guy who approaches them like that and versus, compared to a guy who just steps
02:31:28.920
confidently and the guy who steps a bit nervous or a bit shy or whatever, he's
02:31:35.060
No, we're going to look at so many other factors.
02:31:43.760
He doesn't have like the nervous guy in the chick flick movies and like, he's still
02:31:46.620
like the taller guy, the guy who works out and generally the one that women like.
02:31:56.120
What if a guy was confident, but his confidence is like, you know, you're walking down the
02:32:05.260
Like, even though that's confident, that's not attractive.
02:32:07.800
Well, I think that goes into the realm of cocky.
02:32:20.360
I think all people are capable of being vulnerable.
02:32:25.420
So just because someone approaches you and they seem more confident doesn't mean that
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they're not a vulnerable person in other, like.
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Is it not a thing that women are attracted to confident men?
02:32:40.020
Like, am I, is that, is that a stretch to say that women are attracted to confident
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But confident and vulnerability are not mutually, like, you can be both.
02:32:45.600
I feel like when you're vulnerable, if you're like, oh, hey, I'm nervous to a girl, I feel
02:32:50.080
If you're like, hey, I'm really nervous, but I found you really attractive.
02:32:53.800
How important is like when you're first meeting a guy, how important is the vibe or the guy
02:33:03.180
Do you think a guy who's shy and nervous is as capable as a guy who's confident of eliciting
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Who is as capable of eliciting the vibe or being able to, you know, maneuver a conversation
02:33:28.160
There's a crucial detail that you are neglecting here.
02:33:34.900
Like, how much are you willing to, like, something that's quirky on an attractive woman
02:33:39.380
is maybe, like, weird on an ugly girl that's, like, a beast.
02:33:43.200
Yeah, because if you get catcalled by a guy that's, like, really hot, what are you
02:33:54.720
It doesn't mean that if you're hot, you get a pass for everything.
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But it certainly allows a little more wiggle room.
02:33:59.220
If you're catcalling someone, I don't think most people find that.
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No, okay, well, if it's a really hot guy and he's vulnerable.
02:34:06.340
People, like, there's that one thing or, like, that meme where it's, like, an ugly guy, you
02:34:10.200
know, the drawing, and it's, like, high, and it's, like, sexual harassment.
02:34:15.680
There's the difference between harassment and, you know.
02:34:17.180
And then, like, an attractive guy doing the same thing, and it's, like, flirting.
02:34:21.560
If you are catcalling someone, if you're doing something, you know, sexually harassing someone...
02:34:25.000
If they're, like, a baby girl, like, no matter how they look, it's, like, you're cringed.
02:34:28.680
No, I'm, like, terrified of that regardless of how hard a guy is.
02:34:31.520
There is definitely truth when it comes to, like, two guys that are exhibiting the exact
02:34:39.400
If one guy's really attractive and the other guy's, you're not attracted to him, you might
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say, that guy's creepy, and then the really attractive guy, he's just flirting.
02:34:57.940
Like, I mean, for guys, you still have to work out.
02:34:59.720
You still have to dress properly, do your hair properly.
02:35:02.180
So there's still some sort of social skill in being physically attractive versus the guy
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who, I don't know, is, like, wearing, like, a stained t-shirt or something like that
02:35:12.880
And, like, not working out, can't be strong, can't protect you.
02:35:16.600
I don't know, but this whole idea of that men should be vulnerable, I don't think that's...
02:35:25.800
Is it just in the context of approaching someone?
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So if a guy's confident approaching you, but then later he's going through something
02:35:32.820
and he opens with you and he's vulnerable, and he maybe even cries, maybe somebody died,
02:35:37.980
I think a lot of women would, for example, like, if a woman saw her boyfriend or partner,
02:35:47.940
Look, I don't know if they've done a study on this shit, but, like, there's a...
02:35:50.880
I would say a fair amount of women would lose attraction for their partner in that situation.
02:36:01.440
No, yeah, there was a Joe Rogan interview, and obviously, look, this is one singular woman who
02:36:08.480
You'd almost think because she's an MMA fighter, she would almost have more of an understanding,
02:36:13.020
but she said, hey, I was at a fight with my boyfriend, I was there in the corner, and
02:36:18.180
he got knocked the fuck out, and I shortly broke up with him afterwards because it was
02:36:23.460
I lost traction to see my partner who, you know...
02:36:27.040
The way that he reacted by the time that he was hitting the floor, that was the face
02:36:35.620
So bad at, like, getting beat up, at least, like, take it, but he was just like, oh, it's
02:36:41.220
That's a lack of maturity, though, in her heart.
02:36:42.700
Can't someone be confident enough to be vulnerable?
02:36:46.160
Like, in martial art, there's some pride into just losing with dignity, and he totally lost
02:36:59.260
I'm into martial arts as well, so I can kind of understand where she's coming from.
02:37:02.700
Oh, so, okay, if your boyfriend, like, got scorched up in a fight and made some, like,
02:37:07.600
Like, a little loser face that can't take defeat.
02:37:19.240
You could say the same thing for, like, the statistic about how men leave their terminally
02:37:25.260
Like, what would be the point in me pointing that out?
02:37:31.900
Don't both genders leave, are more likely to leave their partner if there's some sort
02:37:41.040
A lot of men leave women right after they leave.
02:37:46.300
I definitely think women are leaving their partners more often in these terminal illness situations.
02:37:52.360
Because, well, as a man, if you're in the provider role, you know, if you've got cancer
02:37:59.700
or some shit, you're less capable of being a provider.
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If the stats disagree with you, well, how do you explain that?
02:38:09.720
Like, that's something that women always aren't into?
02:38:12.540
I don't know the stats specifically on this topic.
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Either they, or you just don't want to look at them because they disagree with you.
02:38:17.780
Because I take care of my men when I'm sick, right?
02:38:19.820
But that, first off, I think a lot of issues with, like, a lot of statistics is there's
02:38:24.060
this issue when it comes to studies of, I forgot, of not being able to duplicate.
02:38:43.700
Men leave terminally ill wives more frequently.
02:38:50.500
But my point is, like, it's kind of divisive to, like, point out, like, this other statistic
02:38:54.700
when you can easily bring up ones like this that demonized men's lives.
02:39:04.580
Because one thing I'd say is if you break up with your boyfriend just because he lost
02:39:07.520
a fight, like, solely off that, I don't know the whole thing, like, what happened
02:39:11.860
there, but solely off that, why can't we just say they're a shitty person?
02:39:20.640
But there's, I think there's an evolutionary biological argument you can make.
02:39:24.480
If a woman witnesses her partner or her boyfriend get fucking scorched in a fight, somewhere
02:39:31.280
in the lizard brain, she's going to be thinking, is he going to be capable of protecting me
02:39:38.740
So even if it's not, you don't intellectualize it, you're like, okay, well, I still love him,
02:39:43.220
There could be somewhere deep down inside you where you're like, I have, you lose attraction
02:39:50.840
Who got knocked out in fights in the MMA and they're so with their women?
02:39:55.660
How many other guys in the MMA got knocked out and they're so with their women?
02:39:59.660
You have a biological inclination to be racist, but you reason your way out of it.
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You have an in-group bias, kin selection, group selection.
02:40:07.440
It's not about getting knocked out, it's about how you get knocked out, how you react.
02:40:13.420
We don't all, we're not just all, and there's to our evolution and our biology, and so a lot
02:40:19.100
of people, reason can override your genes, so if you like somebody, you're not going to
02:40:23.040
be like, oh my God, he can't protect me if my neighboring village comes and attacks.
02:40:26.460
I don't think we are 100% beholden to our evolution necessarily, but there are certain
02:40:33.880
things that could have an impact in a relationship.
02:40:36.720
Do you want to be with someone where you get beat up and they don't like you because
02:40:39.680
you, like, is that the kind of person you want to be with?
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No, I wouldn't, but I mean, I would assume that it's not an attractive thing to see your
02:40:49.300
You have to be attractive 24-7 to your partner to be loved.
02:40:52.320
Well, would you want to be with someone that lost respect for you and doesn't respect you
02:41:02.580
Look, I'm not saying all women are going to operate like that.
02:41:04.940
Yeah, but what if someone were to say the same thing and like, oh, well, there's guys
02:41:09.100
out there, once their wife gets pregnant and now they have stretch marks and have their
02:41:12.400
kids, now they're not attractive, now they want to leave them.
02:41:16.520
You should all get beat up and if your girl leaves you.
02:41:21.220
Well, would you agree that that may very well be the case, though, that for some men, after
02:41:27.660
a woman goes through pregnancy, they may very well lose attraction for their partner.
02:41:32.100
But if I said that, I would get called a feminist.
02:41:40.580
I mean, men do, like, lose attraction for the wives when they get pregnant.
02:41:44.460
Both men and women lose attraction for their partners for a wide variety of reasons.
02:41:48.380
And those are shitty men and those are shitty women.
02:41:51.320
They weren't best friends in the first place, I think, if they do that.
02:41:54.800
Because if two people are best friends in the first place, I don't think that they would
02:41:59.040
give up on each other that quickly over stretch marks.
02:42:01.780
Like, I think it's their relationship has to be deeper than that.
02:42:04.560
You dodge the bullet if she's leaving you because you got jumped.
02:42:23.880
According to this study, it says women, a woman is sick.
02:42:32.800
A woman is six times more likely to be separated or divorced soon after a diagnosis of cancer
02:42:38.260
or MS than if a man in the relationship is the patient.
02:42:50.920
The Guardian says it's seven times more likely.
02:42:53.760
Yeah, but you can say that statistic you bring up and you can be like, that's not true.
02:42:57.200
The 2018 graph you show is not replicated in any other year, yet you love to show that
02:43:06.920
This lawyer female has been unironically womansplaining this entire time with her pseudo-intellectualism.
02:43:25.980
I think, yeah, I've seen him write this multiple times and pay you a lot of money for it, so
02:43:30.700
Well, to say this, I am also an OnlyFans creator.
02:44:04.400
The only girl ever on this podcast who rates a 10 overall is Kaiser Helmet Girl.
02:44:48.420
Marriage is a legal commitment between two people to accept the benefits and be recognized
02:44:53.280
Historically, it was a security rooted in religious standards and intended to be forever, but
02:44:58.100
with divorce being more common, I believe it's losing its value and meaning.
02:45:06.920
Thank you for the, uh, community enforcement, community help and stuff like that.
02:45:09.580
So, we're missing a lot of things that people had in the past and that's why their relationship
02:45:14.660
Oh, let me wait until Brittany's back to, to read that one just because, uh, it was a lot
02:45:28.080
Oh, oh, this one, he did it as a TTS and here, a lawyer, girl, do you want to read this?
02:45:45.200
Because it's like, say your lawyer a couple more times.
02:45:57.360
Yo, Curtis Reynolds, big thank you for your very generous soup chat here.
02:46:02.600
There are ss many flavors, I think he meant as many flavors of feminism today, as there
02:46:12.780
I mean, I don't think you should compare that to genders.
02:46:23.420
Leif Erikson, thank you for the many guesses on.
02:46:29.600
Argentinian, Henry Cavill calling you his friend.
02:47:07.300
It's a favorite of mine and always wanted to hear you talk about it since you mentioned
02:47:18.040
It's like, it's a manga that's very hard to recommend because there's a lot of weird
02:47:22.820
But the story base, if you remove the weird stuff from it, it'd be like a really, really
02:47:31.840
We'll never get a good anime because they cut it halfway.
02:47:39.140
And he says, promiscuous means actively sleeping with a lot of people.
02:48:21.040
I wonder if it's worse for someone to be a snore or sleep burper.
02:48:38.280
You could see I'm trying to cover it, but like, I can't.
02:48:41.400
Like sometimes I try to mute it and it gets more basic.
02:48:46.400
Um, I don't think it was happening when I was that young.
02:48:48.700
I think that happened more of a like later in my teens.
02:49:00.740
Because the better she eats and the less alcohol she drinks, the less she burps.
02:49:08.220
I don't want to put Brittany on the spot with the burping stuff.
02:49:11.620
Promiscuity is the practice of engaging in sexual activity frequently with different partners
02:49:16.500
or being indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners.
02:49:25.380
I agree with the first definition of sexual activity.
02:49:27.180
Because that's why you would consider it cheating.
02:49:30.720
If their partner sent news to the opposite gender.
02:49:38.640
I mean, I feel like you could use promiscuous as an adjective to describe something, you
02:49:43.040
I mean, like, in like the 1950s and for a while after that, sex or sexuality was promiscuous.
02:49:51.680
Like, if we talked about sex, even if you had sex with one person, you were described as promiscuous.
02:49:57.220
Since you're making the claim, you need to define, that's all I'm saying.
02:50:00.560
The person making the claim, an affirmative claim, needs to define the term.
02:50:10.980
So if you are having sexual activity with multiple people, meaning including, like, images, anything
02:50:20.300
So, for example, if you were on OnlyFans selling nudes, that would be sexual activity.
02:50:24.500
If you were to literally have sex with someone, that would be sexual activity.
02:50:31.020
If you kiss someone, that still counts, even though it's not having sex.
02:50:39.220
So if you go to a strip club and they're not wearing anything and they're dancing, yeah,
02:50:42.440
Is a man who is masturbating to multiple different online girls, is he promiscuous?
02:50:49.800
If he's looking at a lot of different women online, is he promiscuous?
02:50:58.900
So all you guys who are watching porn and it's not just one girl, or even if it is one
02:51:06.680
But in my definition, because, you know, if I'm in a relationship, if somebody consumed
02:51:13.020
So if they're single, then it's not promiscuous?
02:51:16.700
And what about the girls who just, they don't do off, but they just post.
02:51:41.720
Aren't they in like a financial collapse or something?
02:52:05.340
Everybody's going to change their like location on YouTube to Argentina so they can fucking abuse,
02:52:34.640
So I have some more questions for those of you who so kindly provided some pre-show information.
02:52:50.840
You said you typically date guys that are either significantly older or younger than you.
02:52:59.320
So I've either dated like men who are like a little like between 10 and 15 years older
02:53:14.320
I would say there was like two of those were like around my age, but the others weren't.
02:53:24.040
Did you have better relationships with younger guys or older guys?
02:53:35.400
I would say like the first relationship I was in, he was really, really controlling
02:53:56.980
I mean, I wouldn't date like anyone who's not in their 30s.
02:54:05.220
I mean, you said significantly older or younger than me.
02:54:10.320
I'm thinking like some frat boys or something, you know, senior in college.
02:54:16.520
No, like, okay, I dated someone who was seven years younger than me a while ago, but he
02:54:22.700
That's not a, I think in your 30s, you know, it's like, eh.
02:54:27.800
You also said you want to debunk the myth that men don't want to date moms.
02:54:51.980
It's, it's like, okay, well, I don't know if you guys know this, but the two, I worked
02:55:12.820
Anyways, other and other marketing companies in the corn industry.
02:55:18.440
And so, yeah, the top two most searched subjects on there are either like MILF or teen.
02:55:39.980
The YouTube bots will pick it up if you say it a lot.
02:55:44.460
Well, I mean, you don't think that there's, there's certainly men out there, if you compare
02:55:52.460
two options, that would probably prefer to date someone who doesn't have kids.
02:56:00.600
I'm sure most women who don't have kids would prefer to date a man who doesn't have kids.
02:56:06.780
I think it goes, it's the same for both genders.
02:56:10.420
I think there's some who will and some who won't, but it's not because there's a lot
02:56:17.500
of people who are like, oh, nobody's going to want you if you're a single mother and things
02:56:24.640
I mean, for me, it doesn't seem to make it harder.
02:56:27.860
Are you talking about sex wise or dating wise, like relationship?
02:56:32.700
And that's interesting because a lot of time you hear that, you know, it's hard for a single
02:56:38.380
I think it's just hard to find time to go on dates.
02:56:45.540
But it's not hard to, it's not like men don't want you.
02:56:48.720
No, I agree that it's not that men don't want you, but it is with any filter that you
02:56:53.480
add, it's going to make the dating pool smaller.
02:56:55.540
So the people that don't want that are automatically opted out.
02:56:58.380
Because there are guys that don't want to date someone who has kids and vice versa.
02:57:02.020
So I think it does make it harder, but it's not impossible.
02:57:04.540
Because like, not to say that there are simps for dating you, but like there are simps
02:57:08.080
out there that will tolerate like anything for a crumb of coochie, right?
02:57:12.740
Yeah, but there is men who are, have like, who are literally like, who is going to want
02:57:21.440
You either get the really virtuous ones or maybe you get ones that have like a certain
02:57:29.260
Yeah, some guys are like, okay, I don't want to date someone who already has kids.
02:57:32.260
And some guys are like, they're really attracted to that, you being a mom for whatever reason.
02:57:40.040
But I think any filter, like anything, like even if you say like, I want to date obese
02:57:44.400
That's going to automatically make your dating pool smaller if you say like, I'm a mom.
02:57:47.380
Like I know girls who are, don't have kids, but they're just attracted to dads.
02:57:56.880
Yeah, because it, you know, reflects what women tend to be into and they're looking
02:58:00.580
for a protector and a provider and a good father is, you know, that's what it represents.
02:58:06.440
Versus if someone already has a kid with somebody else, that means that, okay, the dad is going
02:58:13.280
to be in the picture regardless because whether you like it or not, the kid is somebody else's
02:58:20.380
Would you guys get married to, or be in a long-term relationship with a guy who has
02:58:33.560
I mean, I don't know if I'm infertile or not, but I've had medical struggles.
02:58:37.660
So I mean, if he's the perfect guy and we got married and everything, you know, worked
02:58:44.340
When I was younger, before I had kids, I was in a relationship with someone who already had
02:58:51.780
Like who would date a guy, given he's like perfect guy otherwise, if he had a kid?
02:59:00.560
I mean, I used to think that it was a deal breaker until I was like, okay.
02:59:11.640
Well, let's ask the two men here, unless any of you identify as a man.
02:59:26.700
So would you, given the option between a woman who has a kid and a woman who doesn't want
02:59:38.720
Who has a kid and a woman who doesn't want one?
02:59:42.200
A woman who has a child and a woman who doesn't have a child.
02:59:46.960
Generally the one who doesn't, but it depends on how old you are.
02:59:49.380
Like obviously the older you get, and if you're trying to get someone relatively in the same
02:59:52.700
age range, it's going to get harder and harder for that to happen.
02:59:54.640
So generally no, but if I'm like 45, like it's not going to be feasible, probably.
03:00:02.760
Well, if you don't have any kids, you know, you can.
03:00:08.400
I mean, are you at the point where it's like, if you're that old, like how old is their kid?
03:00:12.540
So they're probably going to, they're probably going to be 17 or 18 at that point, maybe 13,
03:00:19.560
Well, are you dating guys who have kids themselves?
03:00:23.760
I mean, like I prefer that because I think, I feel like they just have more of an understanding,
03:00:29.380
you know, and the, just the maturity level that comes with being a parent is attractive
03:00:40.460
I mean, at least for me, it, it's certainly not ideal to, no offense to date a woman who
03:00:49.220
And I think, I think most men who don't have kids themselves, it's like.
03:00:57.260
Like when you're older, I mean, in your 50s, 60s and you get remarried.
03:01:01.780
In the dating league there, most people have kids.
03:01:07.880
You're a little younger, but you know, you still have time.
03:01:13.820
So my parents got divorced right before I started high school or they broke up right
03:01:22.800
She had a kid and she married a guy and he had like a couple of kids, but that was way
03:01:30.840
But when she first divorced her husband, she didn't have a problem dating at all.
03:01:36.360
I think it really depends on how crazy the baby mom or baby dad are.
03:01:42.520
But that's what they are once they're separated, right?
03:01:45.980
I mean, make fun of guys for like mansplaining.
03:01:53.040
I just think it's a suboptimal move as a guy who doesn't have kids to date a woman who
03:02:02.120
I think I might be the only girl at the table that I view it as a deal breaker because
03:02:07.840
Because I don't have kids, I would view it as a deal breaker.
03:02:10.600
But I think we also have to consider that people are a whole package, right?
03:02:16.620
We don't get to like pick one thing and you take it for what it is for the most part.
03:02:20.980
People can improve, but that's one of those things.
03:02:23.380
Like, do you like the person enough to have that as one of your cons?
03:02:28.860
But for me, it's always a deal breaker as of now, unless I had children later in life
03:02:38.140
You can pick and choose your partner, but if you see someone you like, you can't just
03:02:41.300
be like, oh, I don't like this one thing about them.
03:02:43.900
It really depends on the nature of the priorities.
03:02:45.080
It's going to be a huge deal breaker for me because I'm like so not ready for that, but
03:02:58.160
So, you said you wanted to debunk the myth that men don't want to date moms.
03:03:02.720
But when it comes to just optimizing, you know, your potential match, hold on just a sec.
03:03:18.940
I'm waiting to hear back from whatever on Nick.
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I'm excited to hear from the ladies and gentlemen on tonight.
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Can we get some W's in the chat for our homegirl, Byronique?
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Y'all talk about the same shit in circles and circles.
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Damn, can we get something else popping over here?
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I will, I will loop it in, in like three minutes.
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Debunking the myth that men don't want to date moms, right?
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You're about to say, well, little boys, they don't want to date.
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I'm talking about like, I'm not talking about like, okay.
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Like, there's a certain point where men become more mature and they want to settle down.
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I would say that pool of men aren't as discriminant.
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I don't doubt that you're able to find men who want to date you or hook up with you or even
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marry you, become the stepfather of your children.
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And however, but I think looking at it from just a maxim, like optimizing, if there was
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you and then an identical version of you that didn't have a kid, do you like, do you think
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It may not be most, it may not be the majority of men, but there's still a decent amount of
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But, but okay, let's say there's an identical version of you, but without a child.
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I, I, and I'm also basing this on like, like I, I, you know what I do.
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And a lot of men are attracted to me for that reason.
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Seriously, I had like two friends in college that were like super into like...
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Like they had, they wanted nothing to do with girls their age.
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They're into older women or they're into MILFs.
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Like, you know, a lot of like attraction comes from a subconscious, like idea of like, like
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So a woman who, like a lot of women or a lot of men are attracted to women who are curvy,
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Because they represent being able to bear children, right?
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So you're saying because you've given birth to a child before, that means that you are,
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you've demonstrated your ability to bring a child to term?
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Maybe that's why guys like MILFs because they, like, it's not clear to me.
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I would be, not that there aren't good guys out there that would love kids because they
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just like kids and they just haven't had their own.
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But I would be a suspect if I were a single mom and a guy was like, went out of his way
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And it's like proactively going for, I'd be like, I don't want my kids to get touched
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Also, another thing I'd like to say, I mean, you're 35.
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No, like I, like I, where I'm at now, I would be, I would be fine if I was even single
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Well, can I ask, cause your situation's a little bit different cause you're a widow.
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Cause a lot of people like my, I'm engaged to a guy with a kid.
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So, and if most of it is dealing with the other parent, so because you're in that situation,
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Cause I definitely think like one of the reasons why I'm either a man or a woman wouldn't want
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to deal with someone who, you know, uh, like the, the, uh, what's the term?
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The, the, the, the other parent, the other parent is one.
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One, there's always that risk of reconciliation.
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And then two, like, okay, what if the fucking ex is psycho?
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So I think you are in a very unique situation, a fairly unique situation because you're a
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I think that does make it different, but I don't think that, that excludes, for example,
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the, you know, concerns when it comes to, well, you know, you've got the kid and then there's
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some financial concern, like financial components of that.
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Uh, I think like some men just like, like, like, like, like it because they want to be
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like the hero and come and save the day for me or something like, you know, like, Oh,
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But, um, like to answer your question, yeah, that, that might be a component in that because
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I mean, for me, like I've had like the love of my life and we had a child together and
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like, if I don't ever do that again, I'm okay with it.
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The loss of someone, like having to date somebody that lost somebody is like, you need to be
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comfortable with the fact that you can love somebody while you still love someone else
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But I've had, I have a friend that actually did that, but he found a girl that was in
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the same situation and they can both accept that.
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And we're still sad that we lost somebody, but we're happy together and we can just find
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And sorry, it's a difficult thing to talk about.
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Well, I was finishing up with the mom thing, but I'm trying to loop it back in here.
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And Brittany, no, you're not the only one because I don't fuck with niggas that got
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So the question is, what, I guess, what is the benefit of, like, let's say there's an
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identical version of you that didn't have a kid.
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Like, why would a guy pick the woman with a kid?
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Because I'm a different person as a mom than I was before I had children.
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I just, I don't see the, like, there's no real benefits that I'm aware of.
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Like, if someone likes me for my personality and for the person.
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No, but I'm saying, like, you have a, let's say there's an identical version of you.
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One of them, the identical version, does not have a kid.
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Like, a guy who has no kids, specifically, right?
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Well, usually you do want to date other parents because, like, they understand, you know, it's
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The guy who doesn't have kids, I mean, unless he's, like, has, like, a MILF thing, he probably
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He likes their, responsible, nurturing, nurturing, providing, hardworking.
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Those are some things that might, you have more of because you're a mom.
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But you said you were wanting to debunk the myth that men don't want to date moms.
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And I would say, generally speaking, for example, I think a lot of men who don't have kids would
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But then it's not really, it's not really debunking the myth.
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I think it's true that most people, men or women, who don't have kids would prefer to
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And in other people, because I just know so many people way before I had kids, I noticed,
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I don't think you've been dating much, have you?
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I'm not, but even though I may not want to date people, they have wanted to date me.
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So have you actually gone on dates with these people?
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Or do they just want sex from you, which is probably the more realistic thing?
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No, like, for example, like, people who know me through friends and da-da-da and found
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out that, like, I moved back to, like, my hometown and stuff, and they know about, they
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know I have a kid, this and that, or they know we have mutual friends, and then they're
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interested in meeting me or getting set up with me.
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So guys are DMing you, like, I don't, you should not confuse, you should not confuse,
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like, sexual attraction for relationship attraction.
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No, these, they were not trying to just hook up.
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Well, yeah, but let's, let's not ignore the fact that men, let's not ignore the fact
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that men will lie about their intentions to sleep with women.
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But these were, like, these were, like, really grown men.
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Let's not ignore the fact that really grown men will lie about their intentions in order
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There is a big maturity difference between, like, 18-year-olds and 40-year-olds.
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I mean, when you're 40, okay, not always, but I'm just going to say, when you're at
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a different, if you were at a different stage of your life when you're 40 and you want to
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get married and you haven't, you know, had kids, haven't been in a relationship, and you'd
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probably want to get married unless you don't want that at all.
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I didn't want to date them because I wasn't ready.
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So wait, what use is attracting a person if you don't want to date them, though?
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Well, they're people that are propositioning you, right?
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I guess it's a factor, but I mean, like, initially, I was assuming it was because you weren't
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physically attracted to them, that you didn't want to date them.
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And there's also that, but, you know, sometimes you get to know someone and they're not the
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Well, and also some guys can't have kids and they want to be a father.
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It's like that you're mature, you're hardworking, you make sacrifices for your child that maybe
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It can indicate or can be an indicator of some of those traits, some guys might think.
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And I've just known so many people who, it's like, I found out that they got with a woman
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And if someone's a mom, she probably has some of those feminine traits you know she does
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because she's showing you by the way she's a mother.
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And vice versa, like a lot of women are turned on by a good mother.
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I can tell you I had one experience with a single mother and she, we had gone on one
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And then on our second date, she, 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet, said, my teenage
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But, like, canceled on me, like, 10 minutes before we were supposed to meet.
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So, I mean, and that's the furthest I've ever gone, like, with a single mother.
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I've heard some pretty bad stories from men where it's like, okay, there's an expectation.
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Well, I think one of the other big things that you often hear is, eventually, down the
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line, there's going to be an expectation, if you're in a relationship with a single mother,
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that the single mother is going to expect the guy to provide.
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And so that adds, like, sort of a double duty to provide for a child that's not yours.
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The issue with that, though, is there's all the responsibility, but none of the corresponding
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So, a woman who's a single mother, she might expect you to provide, but she might not expect,
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like, she might not allow you, as the guy, to have any authority over the child.
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Well, if I'm, I wouldn't date, okay, I wouldn't date a single mother, but it's, to me, if you're
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Providing for a child, you, and you're going to step in as a stepfather, you know, yeah,
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you don't, you aren't given authority over the kid.
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Was the date that you had with the single mom before you decided that you wouldn't date
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I mean, I'd always been kind of hesitant, but I was like, I guess I could give it a shot.
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And, I mean, it basically just confirmed some of the things I had already kind of thought
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You know, I, I'm in a position where I'm not, I'm not, I suppose you could say I have other
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options where there's plenty of women to date that don't have children.
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So I'm not like in a situation, at least in my age cohort, where it's like, man, it's
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But to bring it back to what I'm trying to remember what I was saying.
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Like most single moms are not going to like allow you to discipline their kid, but they
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So it's all the responsibility with none of the authority.
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But wouldn't it be responsibility to have to parent a whole child?
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Yeah, he's saying, he's saying a lot of responsibility, but not, not authority to
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Would you expect the guy to provide for your daughter?
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Um, I have a hard time even imagining like letting someone live with us, let alone provide
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You could at some point, if you do get into a relationship with a guy, you'd some point
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there'd be an introduction and then maybe after a year, two years, three years, you know,
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maybe you guys, I mean, if I'm already financially, right.
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But if I'm already financially independent on my own and then they come in, what am I going
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to do to stop working, stop making money and just be like, okay, now it's on you.
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That might be the case for you, but there's definitely single mothers out there that are
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going to expect a new man coming into their life to have some, maybe not immediately,
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And actually there are some single mothers who have an expectation that the guy start providing
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I mean, for example, you hear these stories of women wanting men to pay for the babysitter
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If he has a lot of money and he didn't care about that.
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If he has a lot of money, he has better auctions probably.
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But maybe he likes her over enough over the other women.
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It depends on if he offers versus if she demands, right?
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If he's like a traditional man or has some, some traditional values and likes, likes to
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be, most men, like the kind of men that I'm attracted to, they enjoy being the provider.
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So I, and they would probably like want me to not do anything.
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Deep down, I kind of am, but I don't, not fully.
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No, but I mean, simply by virtue of you doing OnlyFans, I mean, aren't you in essence, not
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That may very well be the case, but should a guy be.
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Like my lifetime before I did OnlyFans, which was, you know, a while, like a long time.
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Um, I never did anything like that and I was always loyal and, you know, I wanted, we lived
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like in the country and wanted to have a bunch of babies.
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Um, by Ronique, what's, you said you're from, did you say South Central?
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We could go in the daytime early morning before the gangsters wake up.
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So you, baby, we'll be good if we go before that.
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All this stuff we're talking about on here, though, it's, like, so irrelevant in the hood.
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Like, all this baby mama, baby daddy, like, debating on if that's a bad thing to say, a good thing to say.
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So, in the hood, somebody that, like, what's up, I mean?
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Wait, Byron, can you just scoot into the table a little bit?
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Like, is it, like, if, like, a guy, a guy that doesn't pay his child support, how is it seen?
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Well, first off, in the hood, a guy probably ain't, can't, cannot be put on child support, because I'm going to give you an example.
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My homegirl from back in the day, you feel me, she got pregnant by the guy, the guy didn't want the baby.
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So, at the time she got pregnant, he was going to school to be a fireman.
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When he found out she was pregnant, and she threatened him, she said, okay, you want to play me and say this ain't your baby?
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We're going to do a DNA, and I'm going to put that child support on your ass.
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Do you know he stopped going to school to be a fireman?
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Because he knew they would be taking so much of that damn fireman check, because, you know, they get paid well, right?
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Like, he gave that dream up and started slinging in the hood, because that way, on paper, I don't know if he was slinging.
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If you want to say he was slinging dick, he was slinging, but I ain't finna get all in the memory.
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He started slinging on the corners, that thing.
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Because now, the court, when she tried to go to court and get child support on paper, that man don't work.
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Now, she cannot get no child support from his ass.
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Sometimes street smart is better than being book smart.
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I would just not ask, so I wouldn't get in trouble.
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He can't pay child support if he's in prison either.
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But these are the risks that motherfuckers in the hood is willing to take.
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I don't do that because I lived that life in high school.
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Because I already got clout for her letting her pass.
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You said that dudes like me, kind of your type.
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Last time I was here, but you still ain't slitting my DMs.
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Because if he was the one, you wouldn't be an option.
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You get points for not, like, stepping on other dudes' toes.
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Even if it's a stranger, I make my best efforts.
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I don't think it's masculine to fucking, like, mog other dudes and, like, tip their chicks.
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I think the most masculine thing is be like, hey, there's plenty of options out there.
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Bro, that's how dudes get fucking clipped is by stealing chicks.
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They ain't clipping nobody out here in Santa Barbara.
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Have you been to the west side of Santa Barbara?
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I did see some cholos outside today pulling up.
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On the west side, the houses are only worth a million dollars.
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Wait, you're going to get jumped by the college students or the retirees.
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There's some criminal enterprises in Santa Barbara.
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Oprah be out there in the wine fields reading her magazines and stuff, honey, drinking her
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Do you think I would do good if I moved to Compton?
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Do you think I'd do good with the women in Compton?
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Okay, see, and this is where I get a lot of flack, because people are like, it's hard
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for me, knowing that my preference is white chocolate, it's hard for me, a black woman,
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especially a black woman from the hood, to get white chocolate, because they all think
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And this is true, I'm gonna be honest with you, because most black women be like, bitch,
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Like, they just want to stick with their own kind, but to me, that's kind of closed-minded,
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and it's like, there's so much more out there, not even just with white chocolate, but with
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other cultures and dating, you know, other cultures, but...
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Just, you're getting clipped a little bit on the...
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But no, you know, so I understand why a lot of other race men do not approach black women
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because they feel like black women is not gonna get in the time of day.
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They would not be completely wrong thinking that way, because most black women would not
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But there are some of us, you understand what I'm saying?
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So there are some of us, you feel me, that are willing to go that way.
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I should get a tour bus and go to different cities.
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You need to, because you need to get different perspectives, because all this same type of
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Because even white people in L.A. is very different than white people in Kansas, or in Texas,
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But out here in L.A., it's the bougie, the Hollywood, the Beverly Hills, you know, it's the 90210.
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You need to take this shit on the road, and I would love to see all the different perspectives,
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and you give black folks a chance to come on here and get their opinions, because it's
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You're going to get some very different opinions, so you've got to be ready, and you've got to
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be open-minded, baby, because you're going to hear many different things, and many
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different takes on things, but that's what it's about.
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That would be funny, but, like, what's the point?
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How is he going to get him a baby mama when literally another man looks in the direction
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of the girl he wants, he's going to be like, nah, bro, bro code, bro code, I can't.
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See, he don't really want me like that, because if he did, he would be.
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Like, us women have to realize, if a man really, really wants you, he will go to the hell's
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And he'll try to take you from whoever you with.
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It don't matter if you marry with kids, 10 kids, 20, he don't get a damn.
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If he really wants you and is really interested, it won't nothing stop that man.
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Don't men want a woman who's, like, highly in demand?
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If a girl is, like, has a bunch of suitors, you don't want that.
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It wouldn't make her more attractive because men don't need a cosign to find a girl attractive.
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Part of it is how out there you are on social media.
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Well, like, if you have a social media presence, excuse me, then you're going to have much
03:32:02.440
Why does it bother you if she has a lot of options?
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If she's, like, dating around, she's going on a bunch of dates...
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For example, if I go on a first date with a girl and I find out that she's, like, dating
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Total respect for anyone who wouldn't intentionally get in the middle.
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He's talking about you getting in the middle of her and her date, I think.
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Total respect for anyone who wouldn't intentionally get in the middle.
03:32:56.880
But then what about dating apps if you meet somebody...
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So ideally, she wouldn't be on Instagram or have a public Instagram at least, right?
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And she wouldn't be on a dating site, so you would have to meet her in person or something
03:33:28.460
So like you saw like my Instagram, like the way that it is, that would bother you?
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I didn't do a thorough review of your Instagram.
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It's like, I mean, I could let my dad manage that account that I wouldn't care.
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Like that gives you a pretty good idea of how my DMs are.
03:33:48.940
Well, you say like you don't want a girl that has like Instagram and stuff.
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Why it's a turn off if she has a lot of suitors and then you said, I don't like girls that
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But if you meet her on a dating app, what is it about you that would make her just be
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Not all women on dating apps are just like going on tons of dates.
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But women, when we're on a dating app, we have to like lower our, we have to make it manageable.
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And then between a bunch of people, we don't have a preference because we don't know much
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So if she goes out with you, you expect something about you for her to be like, I'm not going
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to talk to anyone else until this one date happens.
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You basically just, you, even before you've even, I've come onto your radar, you need to
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Like, Hey, like, I don't want you to be seeing other people.
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Do you have her screenshot her combos on the dating app?
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No, no, I'm not like, I'm not the type of guy that's like going to go through a girl's
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phone, but, uh, I'm going to like ask some questions.
03:34:57.960
Well, to find a girl without an Instagram, cause like everyone uses it, not even just
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to post photos, but just communicate or like consume content.
03:35:05.700
So wouldn't that be a small percentage of girls that you're limiting yourself to?
03:35:09.460
Well, I didn't say I, if, if a girl has an Instagram, that's not like an immediate no
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I'm trying to remember what the original string was where I mentioned Instagram.
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So she asked you if a girl has a lot of suitors, is she still desirable?
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Only you men hit the DMs and stuff and that you could just come and take your women and
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that Instagram is pretty much like a dating app.
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That's how you get like blue check marks sliding in your DMs and stuff.
03:35:39.720
Well, the original thing, uh, uh, the original thing was, let me see, uh, total respect for
03:35:46.020
anyone who wouldn't intentionally get in the middle.
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So this was about me saying, I don't want to step on any toes.
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I think that's what initially brought on this conversation.
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And then she said, isn't it hot if, you know, there's a lot of people in competition for
03:36:02.080
I said that hot women naturally are going to have a lot of guys that are, cause they're
03:36:08.400
It doesn't necessarily make them more attractive.
03:36:16.940
It could, it could make her more, uh, less attractive.
03:36:21.640
Like I, like if you could have like a guy that's hot with like a bunch of like girls
03:36:25.820
hanging around versus not, obviously like I would also choose like not, but naturally
03:36:29.700
in the territory, we have an attractive woman or attractive guy.
03:36:35.000
So like, don't you think that's really difficult to achieve?
03:36:38.700
What you're saying is a hot woman who also magically has no guys into her, but she's still
03:36:43.340
really hot and diamond in the rough, like a chick flick, uh, diamond.
03:36:51.320
Well, would you, do you want her to have watched this podcast and been like, okay, I saw Brian
03:36:58.800
She sounds like a lunatic if she just saw you and was like, oh my God, I will not talk
03:37:06.560
Like, is it unrealistic of me to want a woman who's not promiscuous?
03:37:14.300
But would you say that a majority of people are, well, a majority of women are promiscuous.
03:37:20.740
So then therefore, is it unrealistic for me to desire a partner that is not promiscuous
03:37:26.540
despite the majority of people engaging in promiscuity?
03:37:30.020
If she's talking to multiple people on an app, is she promiscuous?
03:37:36.440
So she's not going to choose to go on dates with all the guys in her queue or whatever.
03:37:41.100
No, so she'll have guys that she matches with, but she's not going to actually go on dates
03:37:51.400
When you're dating somebody, you are allowed, the man is allowed to date multiple people
03:37:58.220
Because unless you say, hey, we're in a relationship, you have to lock that down and say, hey, we're
03:38:04.140
in a committed relationship in order for all that other side shit to stop.
03:38:08.880
I think it's entirely reasonable for both men and women to be properly single and dating
03:38:18.580
But she has to do that before she goes on a date with you.
03:38:21.320
Like she has to already not, like if she's on a dating app, why do you expect you to be
03:38:26.920
Even if you're on a dating app, you can date just one person at a time.
03:38:31.280
It doesn't mean that that given date is going to go the distance.
03:38:34.980
It doesn't mean it's going to turn into a long-term relationship.
03:38:38.260
But I think, and I think for both men and women, if you actually want the likelihood
03:38:43.000
of any one given interaction of actually, you know, going further, I do actually think
03:38:47.740
dating one person at a time, and maybe it only lasts for one date.
03:38:53.860
I actually think that's going to be the thing that's going to be most likely to yield.
03:38:58.800
So what if she's going on one date a week, and then she's not talking to anyone.
03:39:12.580
She has a date with a guy scheduled for Friday.
03:39:19.420
But if she dated you and she didn't have the date scheduled yet, she came home and she's
03:39:27.620
So what if you were date number 32 on my list, and I had gone out on 33, but I waited until
03:39:49.840
And this is what I think people in the past did.
03:39:54.460
It's really not that hard to date one person at a time.
03:39:57.120
But dating one person at a time just means that when you have a date scheduled, you're
03:40:01.480
not scheduling other dates until that date is finished.
03:40:10.920
I get what you mean, because I also suffer from one-itis.
03:40:15.520
It's like, it's hard to date multiple people because it's a lot and you just want to focus
03:40:21.200
But given the criteria that you've given, wouldn't that be like the top, top percentage of women?
03:40:28.680
That are meeting all those requirements that you said.
03:40:36.380
The requirements that you said were she has to date one person at a time, basically close
03:40:41.700
to zero social media presence and also be very attractive and not have suitors.
03:40:46.300
So if you want that top percentage of women, then is that realistic?
03:40:50.180
Like do you think that you qualify to get that?
03:40:52.320
Well, when it comes to the social media presence, I don't think I, I made that claim.
03:41:00.080
You said that you wanted someone with low social media presence, preferably without an Instagram.
03:41:06.540
That would, that would be preferable in the same way that it would be preferable for a woman
03:41:12.700
So like, do you think that small percent is realistic?
03:41:17.760
Realistically, I don't have an issue dating a girl who has an Instagram.
03:41:24.020
For example, if she like, for example, if the Instagram's private, okay, then she's
03:41:32.660
And is she posting like kind of revealing photos that, you know, there's degrees to it.
03:41:41.920
But let's say you want someone with like close to none.
03:41:45.760
It's what it came across is to, to me, like you don't want her posting herself at all,
03:41:57.180
And I know because for me, that's also a green flag.
03:41:59.360
When I was dating, it's a guy, you know, low social media presence and things like that.
03:42:04.500
So that's why I'm asking, do you think it's realistic?
03:42:11.420
You're, you're saying, well, is it, and I think you're trying to get at, oh, Brian, you're
03:42:14.900
kind of delusional for wanting this, but, uh, or you're saying you're, I think you're
03:42:18.780
trying to say, well, Brian, are you of a certain status or character where you could command
03:42:27.300
Um, but I don't think, I don't think like, for example, uh, that's not really a factor
03:42:32.900
in, in, in terms of a woman's physical attractiveness.
03:42:42.240
Like a girl who doesn't have, for example, like let's say a girl who's below, like below
03:42:56.360
Like, that's not going to be the thing that's a deal maker for me.
03:43:01.680
You have to be attracted to her in the first place.
03:43:03.800
So like already, already that's a filter, right?
03:43:06.040
Cause every time you had a filter, like naturally it narrows down, whether it be being a mom
03:43:10.400
So if you're getting a girl, low social media presence, obviously it's the spectrum, but
03:43:15.480
And also they aren't taking, um, any photos themselves or like, even if it's just like they're
03:43:21.140
showing their outfit, if that's a problem, like every time you do that, you're adding a
03:43:27.460
So I'm asking, do you think that you could get that?
03:43:36.000
But she posts like photos of her, like, uh, just pictures of her.
03:43:39.600
It's not particularly provocative, but I don't know what your definition of that would be
03:43:47.860
And I have dated women who have Instagram for longterm.
03:43:53.400
And you're all, and they also have to be attracted.
03:43:55.740
To me, that's not, I, some guys have different standards when it comes to that, but would
03:43:59.900
it, would it be my preference if someone had like low or no social media presence?
03:44:04.440
I, I, I share that sentiment, but then also you have to get a woman that meets those
03:44:08.680
requirements and it also is okay with not having the security of marriage from you that
03:44:20.980
Maybe like, it's my brain stills that explain, explain the interrogation to me.
03:44:26.240
So if you're asking for a woman that, you know, has low body count, cause you expressed
03:44:32.100
that earlier, uh, has low social media presence.
03:44:35.240
Um, also is attractive, but has no guys around that also want her, which is kind of out of
03:44:41.740
And also this girl has to commit to you only you one at a time.
03:44:45.460
And then also has to not want the security of marriage and have your children.
03:44:49.440
Don't you think that's going to be really difficult to find?
03:44:55.840
I mean, I, I, I, I've found it, but you're like, are you in a relationship?
03:45:02.640
Well, I don't, I don't, I'm not going to talk about my, uh, no, no.
03:45:04.980
Oh yeah, spill it, spill it, spill it, spill it, spill it, spill it, that's the real reason.
03:45:19.320
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
03:45:24.720
So whether you found someone or not, I understand if you want to keep it private, I get it.
03:45:29.180
But those are a lot of things, like, and it's a very small amount of women.
03:45:32.840
And so, like, what do you personally view yourself as to get, like, there's this tiny
03:45:39.700
Because I agree, like, I also share the sentiment of, like, it would be top quality for a guy
03:45:43.060
unless it's his job, uh, social media, et cetera, et cetera.
03:45:48.020
How do you view yourself to get that small quantity?
03:45:55.260
A hot woman, no beta orbiters at all, even though it's not due to her own fault, no social media.
03:46:01.440
And I've stated on my podcast, when it comes to physical appearance, I consider myself, look, just looks-wise, I'd say, like, six.
03:46:09.480
And I would date a woman who's in, within that range, anywhere from five, I think, five to seven.
03:46:16.200
So, if a woman is a seven, and then all those prior requirements that we discussed earlier, like, don't you think that would be difficult?
03:46:24.640
So are you calling him a low-value man, basically, like, indirectly, kind of?
03:46:31.880
So, if a woman were, like, top-notch, they would probably want a guy of similar caliber, and what he described as top-notch, so.
03:46:42.020
It might be, even with a seven, it might be difficult, even just, like, if she were ugly with those requirements.
03:46:50.380
So, even if you remove looks, I don't think, perhaps society has changed, I don't think wanting a woman who dates one person at a time, who isn't posting, like, promiscuous, or, excuse me, who isn't posting, revealing photos online, and isn't promiscuous, I don't think that's asking for much.
03:47:11.320
But also, she'll commit to you without marriage, and have your children, without any sort of, like, thing to fall back on.
03:47:21.680
Well, where are you getting that other stuff from?
03:47:24.000
Well, you're saying that you would be for having a long-term relationship, and if she's working, a lot of guys are probably going to want her, considering she's, like, assuming that she's out in public, around guys, if she's attractive.
03:47:38.680
So, I would imagine you would find that ideal if the woman relied on you to provide.
03:47:43.980
I would imagine that would be conducive to your standards.
03:47:46.860
Well, where did you get the idea that I want to, hold on, so you're saying I want to be a provider?
03:47:53.780
Well, you said long-term relationship, and you also want someone who doesn't interact with men, so how is she going to get money?
03:47:59.520
I didn't say, hold on, hold on, I didn't say that.
03:48:01.220
Well, if she's attractive, naturally, if guys interact with her, she's going to attract some, you know, like beta orbiters, right?
03:48:08.660
If she's attractive, you don't want to date an ugly woman.
03:48:15.540
That you're going to have, like, other guys hit on her, and, like, is it going to bother you?
03:48:19.040
Because wouldn't that be really hard if a woman had a job where she's interacting with a lot of guys, whatever the job may be,
03:48:24.380
and then, like, also magically be attractive and not have simps or beta orbiters?
03:48:31.060
Okay, like, I think you know the answer to that question, honestly.
03:48:35.420
If men hit on her at her job, like, there's nothing I can do about that.
03:48:52.280
It's, I think for both men and women, it wouldn't, it's not an ideal scenario for your significant other to be hit on by someone else.
03:49:03.760
I agree with you, but it's a lot of lists of requirements, so if you only consider yourself average, wouldn't that be hard to get a woman that's of that value?
03:49:12.360
But aren't you sitting in his studio right now, like, his YouTube channel, and you're here calling him, like, a low-value man, like, he's got nothing going for himself?
03:49:18.780
I didn't call him, I didn't call him an average.
03:49:20.520
I'm based off of what he said as the answer, right?
03:49:23.980
And the list of requirements that make it harder, even if you didn't factor in.
03:49:29.940
He has preferences, and you're saying that he's being delusional.
03:49:37.360
Oh, to find a woman that's really attractive, that also doesn't have sense.
03:49:40.820
I literally just said I would date a woman between, like, a five and a seven.
03:49:46.280
That's within the, I consider myself to be a six.
03:49:50.700
It's not a lot, it's just having standards for yourself, which I think it's totally fine.
03:49:55.180
You can have standards for yourself, but I'm just pointing out that it would be really difficult to get that.
03:50:11.060
Like, I feel like you're trying to clip farm me, but I'm, like, not entirely sure how, but...
03:50:30.000
That disqualifies you from a lot of attractive, high-quality women.
03:50:35.080
On a scale from 1 to 10, what do the people on the panel consider themselves on overall value?
03:50:44.200
Let me, let me, we'll finish off this thread with Brittany here, and then Mr. Meatball, we'll come back to that.
03:50:51.620
So, I, are you, are you saying that I'm too selective, I'm too picky, or I'm just, I'm trying...
03:51:02.560
You're just saying it's going to be hard for...
03:51:05.620
In 2023, it will be hard to find a woman who's not promiscuous.
03:51:12.380
That's for me to not find a guy that doesn't watch more.
03:51:13.800
I agree with you that in 2023, living in California, it's going to be hard for me to not find a woman.
03:51:19.700
Actually, I actually don't think it's that hard to find women that don't post, like, super revealing photos on Instagram.
03:51:25.500
I don't think it's that, I really don't think it's that hard.
03:51:35.100
I'm not dating OnlyFans girls, so I don't think it would be that hard.
03:51:38.960
And most of the women I've dated do not post...
03:51:58.500
She's just aimlessly hanging out here in a World War I helmet.
03:52:07.300
Most of my previous long-term relationships were with women who were not promiscuous, who had minimal or no social media...
03:52:23.140
And what was the other one you were asking about?
03:52:26.460
Attractive, no social media preference, is okay with not getting commitment marriage, but has to bear children.
03:52:35.420
No, there was another one I'm trying to recall.
03:52:38.040
There was not being promiscuous, low social media presence.
03:52:45.680
I would say, of the women I've had long-term relationships with, or even short-term relationships with...
03:52:50.680
Actually, most of them fall within my standards.
03:52:57.340
It seems like the conversation's not really going anywhere.
03:53:02.040
Well, I can tell you that I've gotten the types of women that fall within that framework.
03:53:08.260
You're kind of like that girl from TikTok who's like, I want a conservative who's a liberal, but like on reverse.
03:53:15.340
You know, like I want a conservative woman who's kind of a liberal, it's like...
03:53:21.760
Well, I consider myself somewhat politically moderate, but, uh...
03:53:36.260
See, like you voted blue, like it's like you're out for like 95% of conservative women.
03:53:52.200
But, yeah, like sometimes, you know, it's not going to match all of your preferences and
03:54:08.180
I get what you're trying to do because something that we often do on the show is we kind of...
03:54:13.180
Have conversations with women and, like, oftentimes we'll be like, well, that's kind of delusional
03:54:18.460
For example, a woman who might want a certain tier of man when it comes to, you know, or
03:54:24.180
even their own self-assessment of their own physical attractiveness or a woman who wants
03:54:30.060
a guy who's six feet tall and makes six figures, that's a very small proportion of men.
03:54:36.280
You're basically trying to set me up so that, oh, look, the tables are turned.
03:54:40.220
Brian actually is kind of delusional in terms of what he wants in a partner.
03:54:46.840
The thing is, is that it may very well be the case that there are a majority...
03:54:51.320
And, I mean, I think this echoes what I say, that if you look around, we're talking about
03:54:58.580
Well, I'd say more so women, but that's another conversation, are promiscuous.
03:55:06.300
Is it a smaller proportion of women that are not promiscuous that I desire as partners?
03:55:14.200
But I'm advocating for a return to some degree to moving away from the madness that is hookup
03:55:25.180
I think people are allowed to have their standards.
03:55:28.780
You're trying to do a gotcha where it's like, okay, Brian, you're actually the delusional
03:55:33.980
I don't think that people should just settle, right?
03:55:40.060
I'm aware that, like, my dating preference of, like, just simply by saying I don't want
03:55:43.940
a guy that watches porn, that consumes any type of porn, I know that's going to make it
03:55:48.840
smaller of a dating group, but I accept the risk that it's worth it because to me it's
03:56:00.840
I think you have something, like, good going for yourself.
03:56:04.860
I feel like you describe yourself as, like, you don't...
03:56:07.400
Do you see yourself as a high-value man or, like...
03:56:10.040
I mean, I don't like that word, but you know what I mean.
03:56:12.200
I don't like those characterizations because I think there's different...
03:56:19.980
I'm just trying to portray it in a way that conveys the message.
03:56:23.380
We all get the message, but you know what I mean.
03:56:26.060
So, I don't like just a across-the-board word like that.
03:56:36.960
Would you consider yourself a good candidate or somebody that has, like...
03:56:40.600
I think in some realms of endeavors, I am, and in others, I'm not.
03:56:47.320
I think in some realms, for example, I think when it comes to my success, finances, I think
03:56:58.600
When I could be, for example, I could be in a little better physical shape, I think I have
03:57:09.720
I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't go to bars, I don't go to clubs, I
03:57:27.000
Well, I would just say, like, you have, like, something good going for you right now, like,
03:57:30.340
that your show is doing really good, and honestly, it's better to...
03:57:34.580
I know that, like, there's some people in the chat that said it's, like, better being,
03:57:38.620
like, in the desert than having a nagging wife.
03:57:40.620
I just say better being alone and in bad company.
03:57:55.100
It's not even about you, like, you poured, like, a...
03:58:27.540
I was looking for the gotcha Twitter clip by taking her straw away.
03:58:33.540
But yeah, my point is, if you view yourself that way, where you're like, I'm not sure if
03:58:36.560
I'm, like, really high value, then it might be hard to get someone that's also considered
03:58:40.600
high value, because, like, all the filters, right?
03:58:43.200
Because generally, people will consider that high value woman.
03:58:45.460
Well, I mean, I don't like it as a blanket term, because I think in some, as I said, in
03:58:50.300
some realms of endeavor, I, if you, I don't like, you know, like, in the same way with
03:58:55.300
this, like, alpha beta shit, I don't like those terms.
03:58:58.660
High value, low value, it's kind of like, eh, it's like, okay, well, there's men who are,
03:59:02.820
like, when it comes to success, money, doing good on that front, but there's men who are,
03:59:10.460
So, you know, in terms of percentiles, I'm doing well.
03:59:15.460
But I don't think that is, that is the, as an entire package that makes you high value.
03:59:22.760
For example, I'd like to have a, when it comes to my physical fitness, and I mean, some of
03:59:28.540
this is out of my control, for example, I have a pretty, I've had a pretty catastrophic back
03:59:34.900
So, you know, I'm not, I was in better physical fitness when I was younger.
03:59:39.840
So I think when it comes to my physical fitness, and I think men have a duty to be physically
03:59:44.500
strong, I, in that dimension, I consider myself to be lacking.
03:59:49.420
And I think in order to be, like, total package as a high value man, even though I don't like
03:59:54.560
that term, you need to have a certain degree of command over your body and a certain level
04:00:02.320
of physical strength, which had I not had, for, I, had, if I, had I not had a back injury,
04:00:09.260
I'd be much more of a, I'd be physically stronger than I am currently.
04:00:15.080
So within that specific realm, I, I consider myself to be lacking.
04:00:24.520
Yeah, I mean, I remember me being the one who just, like.
04:00:26.860
Yeah, you were, you were helping me out with, with, with the mic, but.
04:00:32.040
I, I mean, honestly, if you have enough money to pay somebody to do it for you, no money,
04:00:36.580
no, no women's gonna give a crap, like, sorry, but.
04:00:40.580
Yeah, but it's, like, hot if a guy could, like, it's, like, a bonus point.
04:00:47.220
Well, okay, so let's say you're in a tight situation, it's only you two.
04:00:51.280
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Autistic girl is fixated on this because as if she's lived such a life of privilege
04:01:02.040
that she cannot psychologically process that men can have standards.
04:01:06.680
By not being fat and having an acceptable face and body,
04:01:15.540
You don't know anything about Brittany if you think she's had a privileged life.
04:01:18.780
Brittany is an orphan that's been on her own since she was, what, 15, 16 years old?
04:01:25.040
Ultimately, I don't think it's asking that much for, I think the three things were,
04:01:30.740
a woman who is, dates one person at a time, who isn't promiscuous,
04:01:41.680
I don't think that's really asking a whole lot.
04:01:45.800
It shouldn't be, unfortunately, nowadays, it is, right?
04:01:49.300
But you're trying to make it out like I'm looking for a 1% woman, which I don't think is the case.
04:01:57.880
And it's unfortunate in the reverse, too, of asking for basic things that it gets treated the same way.
04:02:03.460
Maybe in YouTube podcast world, but I don't think it's a very low percentage of women in general.
04:02:11.420
I mean, especially in California, he wants someone presumably local, right?
04:02:15.540
I'll just say, maybe I've gotten lucky, but of the things that I want in a partner, I've been able to find them.
04:02:24.440
Like, I've had numerous long-term relationships.
04:02:30.640
I think if somebody wants something bad enough, they can get it.
04:02:36.720
I feel like that's not said if it's the other way around, though.
04:02:39.540
If a girl were like, you know, as he said earlier, I want a six-foot guy or, like, a tall guy.
04:02:49.580
It's like, if you've done martial art, like, honestly, short guys, short guys in the chat.
04:02:53.980
If you're short, martial art, any, like, karate, kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, like, you're good.
04:03:05.960
Because women that do that as well, they know that short kings can kick ass.
04:03:16.280
Yeah, but you shouldn't settle for someone that doesn't want to.
04:03:28.860
On a scale from 1 to 10, what do the people on the panel consider themselves on overall value?
04:03:41.320
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
04:04:30.100
You need a DeCelsis, the energy drink you had last time.
04:04:56.240
I'm working on an AI thing that you can look at yourself in it,
04:05:00.000
and it tells you what you are on a scale of 1 to 10.
04:05:04.400
When I woke up, I was like, I didn't think I look good.
04:05:20.540
So, like, when you ask, the girls don't have to, like...
04:05:25.920
and the AI is going to tell them what they are.
04:05:27.780
That'd be funny if you had, like, a segment where it's they rate themselves,
04:05:37.100
Well, when the girls rate themselves, like, I'm a 10 out of 10,
04:05:42.040
The people, like, girls, like, when they smile,
04:05:44.760
anyone who smiles, the AI actually rates them higher
04:06:09.140
And then personality-wise, if people will really get to know me,
04:06:15.680
I think I will be a 10 all-around with personality for sure,
04:06:37.720
I mean, how to rate someone's overall value on a numerical scale?
04:07:30.780
There's like no guys that are shorter than you.
04:07:34.400
No, but I would date a guy who's like five seven.
04:07:42.740
But you wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you.
04:07:46.120
No, I wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you.
04:07:51.760
But isn't height quite literally a numerical measurement?
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But you wouldn't date a guy who's shorter than you.
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So because I wouldn't date a guy that's shorter than you,
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but it's not juvenile to rate someone's physical height.
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They're both related to physical attractiveness,
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um i have a question if there's time oh so um it's more of a statement i guess
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oh bro this guy is out oh my god did someone steal his parents credit card
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he is on fire mr pay to win come over to youtube
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uh he is on fire how do i say it like it with a
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wait i want you to say mr pay to win is on fire
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mr pay to win it offer no no no no not in french just in english
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um mr pay to win is on fire there you go he's on fire
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thank you very much thank you very much oh you had the little flare at the end
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uh by year britney i think you wanted to yeah so i was thinking about what you said oh
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like women should approach men but the problem but the problem with that is that
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when women approach men women don't know how much the guy actually will like them and that's
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a problem because women aren't really the initiators if they do it can be seen as desperate
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so when you're a woman approaching a guy it it hits a lot harder in the ego for a lot of women
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because it's like you're already supposed to be like value to an extent right you're supposed to
04:49:26.480
be pursued so rejection for women is terrible yeah imagine you get rejected you're like oh my god
04:49:30.540
some like i don't have value as a woman and i get like men also get that ego shot but it's a
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different kind because you're supposed to be doing it so imagine you you go out of your comfort
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zone to that point of like approaching a guy where you're already supposed to be wanted as a
04:49:42.900
woman and they get rejected if i feel like that's i'm not sure i totally agree but let's say for
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the sake of argument let's say i concede to your point that yes it it hits women's ego harder but
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wouldn't you agree that if a woman a woman has a much better success rate if she were to go up to
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a guy versus a guy going up to a girl um in what regard the right relationship or sex sex yeah
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relationship maybe not because he feels like oh sherry wants me i don't have to try
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then you have to deal with like women that you don't like approaching you and that's
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uncomfortable yeah imagine like obese i mean guys okay i'll trade you know what i will glad i will
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trade places with women you got i'll trade places uh you guys can come hit on me 50 chicks can slide
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my dms a day if some are you gotta ride the bus if some women i'm not attracted to hit on me fine i
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don't that's a i will take that trade every single time but the average american woman is like obese
04:50:42.220
you sure you want that yeah it happens like he's land whale so to speak right maybe you know what my
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friend used to say a win is a win maybe he likes a win is a win a win is a win um my friend used to
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say yeah sometimes buddy you just gotta take the bus back home mike sorry one thing i want to say
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though is i think it's funny because i mean just from my experience i was i do not get hit on like
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that i mean maybe a little after the podcast but no i actually don't every guy i've dated
04:51:09.480
that might be a factor she lives in a nice neighborhood yeah i live in baker so i do live
04:51:15.920
in the suburbs but um but my grandma's from crenshaw so she knows what's up um but bro this guy oh my god
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this guy this guy is insane holy shit oh my god oh my god wait say he's on see what excuse me
04:51:30.880
yo dude oh my god that just triggered a burp that's one of our um that's one of our like triggers
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it's our 500 subs wait say he's on fire who is on fire mr pay to win is on stays on fire
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pay to win is on fire oh fuck i didn't mean to trigger one more time
04:51:47.440
mr pay to win is on fire oh my god this guy is on fire okay holy shit this guy's a madman
04:51:56.020
one thing i was saying yo wait you know what the most gangster shit would for you to do mr pay to
04:52:01.240
win is now come over to youtube and drop some memberships or stream labs yeah yeah pay off the
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youtube police there you go 30 percent one thing i was saying though is every guy i've been on a date
04:52:12.800
with i asked him like and i genuinely i did not get asked out like that or anything i'm being so
04:52:18.840
genuine right now i don't know because you're a feminist but yeah it's not even you're okay with
04:52:23.540
that it's not even that i mean i was i'm even talking about high school they don't really care about
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that but i don't know i struggled with guys coming up to me or you know getting at me but um one thing
04:52:36.120
i i was talking to someone about that and i think they just said that it might be because i'm
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intimidating but besides that the average woman does not get hit on that much i mean maybe she's
04:52:45.520
easy depends because honestly like you're adorable as fuck like i think that like honestly i'm like
04:52:52.840
you're so sweet sorry the average woman well okay an average woman could download tinder and like
04:52:58.840
it's insane but meeting someone in person is completely different but are those are those people
04:53:04.840
so much more exciting go to the club you're gonna get it's like no who's going for like a
04:53:10.540
relationship those are not the guys dumb idea no drunk guys like it's mostly guys that don't
04:53:15.960
actually want a relationship well i i do think i do think dating apps have definitely disincentivized
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men to like approach a girl in real life because hey this is much much easier you know i can just go
04:53:29.200
and the rejection isn't as bad uh but they're not so they're not the confident man for doing shit
04:53:34.900
so even if a shy awkward guy comes up to you nowadays they're way more confident than any of
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the guy on the app that's confident i don't think so i think girls are still gonna curve that dude
04:53:44.580
if he comes up to you like he steps to you shy and awkward but i would respect that okay but he does
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it a couple times he's not attracted to me six feet tall no but if a five ten person approached you
04:53:54.680
different i almost think the stigma has like reversed like how you were saying how like
04:53:59.180
what 10 20 years ago if you met someone online that's kind of weird yeah if you're a guy who has
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to grow out online you'd be ridiculed yeah whereas now i feel like it's it's less acceptable like we've
04:54:11.960
we've regressed or reverted i don't know it's less acceptable now to approach a girl in person i think
04:54:18.560
it is we want it i just all the women i know are like why don't they do this depending on contact
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wait but okay yeah depending how you do it yeah don't hate creep how socially palatable are you
04:54:29.940
especially if you have to use dating apps or like again all your friends are on discord or you're not
04:54:33.700
really going out and doing stuff that much it just means you're probably not very socially confident
04:54:37.220
so there's there's other problems that circle around using dating apps to um start relationships
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look it's just hard to uh it's hard out there for yeah i should just say men are scared
04:54:51.840
they're scared here you know what let's do an experiment maddie we're gonna have you it's my
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time you're gonna pretend to be a dude and you're gonna pick up maddie oh i am yeah so okay here's
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how we're gonna do it oh my god uh maddie you're gonna get the microphone this is uh
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my instagram is sophia jordan by the way ph and jordan with an e
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you're welcome hey chat one in the chat if you guys can hear us can you get pop-up chat
04:55:20.440
pop-up chat where's the pop-up chat hey chat can you guys hear us
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okay they can hear us yeah i was so rich i've been high school i mean even now like i still
04:55:40.640
oh my god i would still run away if i'd see people that i've been with in high school like
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i would think like no i'm still like ugly so fine no i'm the guy yes you're gonna be the guy
04:55:53.000
jordani with a ph just start and then turn into role play i think this is good enough you're welcome
04:55:59.720
i don't know you're just you're just gonna be trying to actually can you guys scoot that way
04:56:05.960
just a tad and then we'll we're gonna put it we're gonna put it here okay so madison
04:56:10.360
where are we you're gonna be no but you're you're the dude you're the dude and yeah just
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hold it center madison i'm walking on the street no no no no she picks this she picks the scenario
04:56:21.900
okay all right so we're like we're both in the line to get like boba okay okay can i hold this
04:56:30.220
up sure okay go so you're behind me are you okay okay oh i'm sorry i should have let you go before
04:56:38.260
me you're all right i'm so sorry um are you here by yourself oh boy oh no no no no jail time
04:56:47.240
i will run out of the bone shop does that does that mean you're single
04:56:50.960
ah sorry no it doesn't mean oh no i have a boyfriend i'm sorry okay well he must be a really
04:56:57.980
lucky guy he is i have some pointers you're creepy man okay hold on so you give a couple
04:57:05.440
approaches like that and then you get better and don't do that here do you want to try again
04:57:09.140
we can do it wait that's that's you put on the spot to approach a girl wait can a boy try it
04:57:15.660
huh there's three boys here can one of you guys try it and show us three boys one two three i should
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try it yeah i want to see how okay sofia wants to do it i want to do it okay i'm gonna be a man
04:57:29.020
yeah but that was a big l you that was a massive i know how to guarantee coochie every time yeah i
04:57:35.580
think it was just so are you alone that wait wait am i madison don't be don't be don't have a
04:57:42.140
boyfriend be single you're on the spot yeah okay wait me again yeah try yeah give it a go we'll give
04:57:48.580
you another go then sofia goes yeah go ahead okay you're an elevator or an elevator okay what the
04:57:55.880
fuck oh my god that's so creepy okay that's already don't talk
04:58:00.600
the elevator broke so you're stuck so you have to talk wait hold on let's adjust i feel like we can
04:58:07.960
adjust this uh can you can you me oh look it's mike davis hi mike davis these females really think
04:58:17.420
they be special i've been tuned out for a while and two minutes in it just another batch of copy
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and paste puppets god definitely tuned out as well he's just doing reruns and that pickup
04:58:29.260
interaction was on the spectrum you know good to see you mike davis we missed you he just called
04:58:36.620
you not special i know i still love him it's okay i don't bring myself down to it how are we
04:58:42.560
gonna live not being so special oh my god i'm so hurt apparently we don't need to be special
04:58:47.880
he's funny though i sometimes was so special it's okay i i roast myself all the time for entertainment
04:58:53.680
so no last time i got roasted so bad i know i watched it but i asked for it though you took it
04:59:01.300
well yeah you did guys they thought i was upset i was like no i thought you were super funny like
04:59:06.900
you seem super cool i was like i like her perfect scenario okay i know how to get bitches go okay
04:59:12.340
take two we're going in an elevator oh ladies first after you thank you cringe
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okay peanut gallery let them let them do it let's say you're i'm attractive to you okay
04:59:24.920
so oh what floor are you going to oh four okay well now you know where she lives
04:59:30.100
i'm getting out first oh actually um here's my what is it doors closing doors closing
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can i get your number no here's here's my number zero game zero game okay i would just give you my
04:59:55.320
number i would just not even talk to you but i would just give you my number hey if you ever feel
05:00:00.280
like hanging out here's my number great you never get texted no i'd tell you to fuck up so fast
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attracted yes and single why wouldn't you if you were attracted and okay if i was attracted to you
05:00:13.700
that that's like a difference i feel like that's it's hard to be like the girl in the situation because
05:00:18.560
i don't know how the guy looks you know well he's like well at the end of the day he has to be
05:00:22.100
somewhat attracted oh attracted to him okay yes i didn't know right if there's no like attraction
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i want to see the next scenario go ahead sophia go i'm going go go go
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i don't know i smell something weird go ahead go ahead sophia go go this is why women shouldn't
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approach see we're not i i'm not good at this but men can practice this you literally murdered
05:00:57.400
sophia okay what's the scenario let sophia pick the scenario let's starbucks starbucks like waiting
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in line yeah am i studying we just got in starbucks we walked through the door yeah okay oh are you
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maddie yeah i'm mike davis how the fuck do you know her name how do you know my name already that's
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kind of weird i know your boss i saved him i saved him in the forest and proudest girl
05:01:28.840
getting attacked by a shark and you thought i was bad i was like
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she's not doing she's not trying you're the reason why you have a job now because brian's still alive
05:01:41.640
i so want to drop the arsler right now that was like the most pathetic okay yeah i actually want
05:01:47.140
you to try it i'm gonna try you should try it she's gonna try okay um so we're just walking
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to starbucks um hi hi you're really pretty by the way thank you i appreciate it gorgeous thank you
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um are you single uh yes i am i'm single too okay it was good it was good i'm single too i don't know
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what you'd say but like let's just ignore that okay but like like that's just nice girls just want
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that you know like you guys are over complicating this but it's like you know do you want to try
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yeah i absolutely like slattery is britney secretly by hello here's my number or snap
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here's options we'll exchange yeah okay that one was pretty good that one just had to be
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not probably the best one yeah that was really good you gotta have a casual conversation you gotta
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like actually present some like typical objections that a woman would you just gotta call her pretty
05:02:51.240
yeah okay they're usually just gonna say they're taken or not taken if you're if they're not
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interested i think we've established though that it's not easy it's not that hard i just did it
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all right we'll have britney go yeah you did great but you're good you said you've approached guys
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you've asked about guys so like i'm kind of you know you like know what to do yeah
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i've never done that okay we're we're oh yeah no worries hey thank you so much for coming
05:03:17.260
appreciate it yeah bye nice to meet you all right so we're in a we're walking down the street
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we're about to pass each other we're waiting at a bus sign okay yeah we're waiting at a bus stop
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okay okay well i'm not but like you are i see and i'm like she rides the bus she's in a car
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and that's how you do it and that is exactly how you do it ladies and gentlemen
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can it be a dollar bill it's simple just like men are over complicating this just open your big
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black wall i would say sophia's pretty right like you just need to have casual conversation for women
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nothing creepy you know like don't be like damn you got a fat ass like just be like you're really
05:04:04.220
pretty i feel like i have a lot of money or be like i own 15 burger kings oh gosh yeah when i
05:04:11.420
come into my lamborghini that it's rare and weird like being like oh i know people don't do this
05:04:15.720
anymore but like you really caught my attention your turn no we're done we're everyone's trying to go
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yeah we're done you can just put it back thank you damn very much you didn't give her a chance i
05:04:27.940
got the furthest by giving her the money i got the furthest all right let me do this
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like y'all can fight over me every guy out there just do what sophia just did
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all right it wouldn't be that i have a girl i dated who said that she saw me as a boyfriend but after
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having sex three days later she said that she changed her mind because my schlong was too big
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for her i mean what the fuck she was 30 this is in japan fyi with a japanese woman poor women
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with a japanese woman poor excuse yo black lotus thank you very much for your uh
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donation there appreciate it uh is he trolling and everyone clapped
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congratulations what a legend totally happened and then our last one here brian explain hoflation to
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these girls right meow thank you tyler appreciate it uh explain those hoflation okay hoflation
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um so hoflation is this term i've heard that is is uh basically
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like there's a lot of them and you can you expand on that so basically i think it goes
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fuck i i forgot i've said it before but it's slipping my mind a little bit uh modern men have
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to work five times harder as their grandfathers to get women 10 times worse than their grandmothers
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and this is based on what just obvious science and statistics and like peer-reviewed document and
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like it was harvard studies i think they did a study by har from harvard on the inflation it was
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very but they're modern men so maybe that's why yeah call women hoes it was a very reputable
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study yeah harvard stanford yale but well there modern men compton community college don't go after
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women they don't approach and they want the women to pay half of everything yes so of course it's
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harder for them i think women should honestly pay for the whole date
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i'm a feminist they should um half and half you're gonna get a blue haired one with that
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i know you know what's funny about the hair the color in the hair i actually i i used to like the
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women who had colored hair like red or blue because this was back in the day before it meant
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she was like a raging sjw woke feminist type chick it just meant she had daddy issues or she was a
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rocker or or you're getting one or she was a weeb an og weeb and wanted to look like an anime girl
05:07:06.440
or an artist because back in the day i used to dye my hair like dark purple like not bleach it but
05:07:12.000
just like purple over because i wanted to be like anime girl yeah just so like not a lipid woman
05:07:16.400
but like you're just jealous okay uh i guess that's inflation okay cool uh we're gonna wrap up
05:07:25.280
there i don't know if we're gonna do an after show i don't really we did the after show already
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yeah we kind of did the after show madison i'm okay with anything because i do have work tomorrow
05:07:35.420
morning but um yeah let's we're just gonna wrap unfortunately guys no after show tonight
05:07:40.920
but uh unless is there something that could occur to uh like a what's it called a subathon
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i don't know exactly what it is um no we're just gonna wrap up it's already been five hours so
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okay cool uh final thoughts before we wrap up anybody final thoughts well thank you for having
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us on and thank you for coming uh if you guys want to wash your ass you can go to read street soap
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it's a soap company that i helped design some of the soaps and scents and uh we're creating healthier
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ingredients so and they look really cool there's an ocean one now
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nice hell yeah anyone wants to i get some soap can you hook it up with some soap if i brought some i
05:08:22.920
would give you it but i didn't bring any i'm hurt i am hurt that was very i can ask them to send you
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some very inconsiderate of britney to not think of my soap i gave his parents so i can only carry so
05:08:34.660
much in luggage it's okay i forgive you i forgive you um anybody like one pound you get like one pound
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before you you get maxed out on that shit like a couple pieces of clothing will max you out on the
05:08:43.900
luggage thing oh last thing britney venti would you be down to participate in a whatever hosted
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boxing match with pearl like literal boxing actual boxing no i'm gonna break a nail i'm not gonna date
05:08:59.220
her up with a like she gets her face i'm not ugly enough to do that i mean maybe pearl would
05:09:03.040
oh my god isn't she like six foot britney's already proven her street cred before yeah
05:09:07.740
she's just by you what the fuck isn't she like six foot who pearl pearl yeah like i have something
05:09:13.200
to lose you know oh brutal maybe just like a roast battle oh my god not a boxing match okay
05:09:22.540
well unfortunate what about um britney venti versus is there someone you just hate online right now
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besides me i'm not gonna box anyone i have nails to take care of my hair is long they might pull it
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but is there like paper up is there any creator that you would want to like i'll we box them
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who like we sports who do you want to who do you want to go i'll we sports box anyone like you know
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the weave controls and you yeah okay i'll do that i won't physically box someone what if what if like
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the money was there like it was a big how much money is worth is brain damage worth yeah i already
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have health issues don't hit but i'll we i'll we sports box yeah but the defense status low too
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that's true but i feel like cte is not super common and like women you know well yeah because there's
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no women fighters yeah well like like there's not women football i mean oh with soccer you could
05:10:24.900
you could compare because soccer has a lot of uh brain damage because they do like the headbutts
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yeah the headbutts yeah but like great i'm gonna i'm gonna get canceled for what i just said
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um okay cool uh okay anybody else final thought before we wrap up subscribe to our only fan i have
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something to say that's super important since everyone keeps asking my instagram is so nobody gives a
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no people actually keep asking my instagram sophia jordaning jordaning with an e she has a boyfriend
05:10:53.880
now guys she used to be single no um i'm gonna start a twitch and i'm gonna stream scar scar starcraft
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okay yeah should we do a starcraft one or two yeah should we collab we'll collab yeah okay very cool
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