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00:01:05.580 will introduce our two guests i'm joined today by andrew wilson host of the crucible he's a blood

00:01:11.700 sports debater and political commentator also joining us today is kylie brewer she's an author

00:01:18.860 content creator and educator she received bachelor degrees in psychology and creative writing from ivy

00:01:26.100 league school brown university she plans to pursue a graduate degree in public policy she's also a

00:01:33.240 self-described leftist feminist anti-racist lgbtq activist the topic today is feminism you will each

00:01:42.020 have up to a 10 minute opening statement and then the rest of the show will just be open conversation

00:01:47.980 with some prompt changes and breaks for messages from the audience followed by each of you having a

00:01:55.040 closing statement kylie you're gonna go first go ahead okay thank you um hi my name is kylie i just

00:02:02.220 wanted to start by saying a little bit about what i stand for which is just feminism generally and i

00:02:07.920 would want to say that feminism is a crucial movement both in the united states and across the world

00:02:13.240 feminism is defined as advocating for gender equality and challenging the structures of power

00:02:18.800 that perpetuate discrimination and violence against women it is not an attack on men rather it is a call

00:02:25.500 for an equal and just society in the u.s despite progress women face systemic inequalities which

00:02:33.480 means that gender inequality is rooted in many of the systems that we see today for instance women in

00:02:39.100 the u.s earn 82 cents for every dollar that a man makes and black women earn just 63 cents so there

00:02:46.900 are three reasons potentially that this could be the case which is i would say that we do not value

00:02:52.480 female labor enough in this country and there's a phenomenon called male flight which is typically when

00:02:58.420 a field becomes very female dominated 50 to 60 percent women men typically begin to leave that field and

00:03:04.720 the pay rate for women drops so that might be some sort of implicit phenomenon happening as well as

00:03:10.160 domestic labor is unpaid which is when women typically take on more of the child rearing in homes and

00:03:16.500 obviously that is not something that is compensated and for women who do go to work and raise kids

00:03:23.320 there's inadequate child support meaning they often miss out on we often miss out on promotions or other

00:03:28.920 major opportunities in the career because we are not supported in that way so this all could explain

00:03:34.400 that economic inequality which brings me to according to the world economic forum it's going to take

00:03:40.020 roughly 300 years to close the gender gap for both economic and political empowerment for women

00:03:45.380 in countries like afghanistan women still battle for access to education and health care as well as

00:03:51.260 personal freedoms in some places if they open the door without being covered they may be beaten or

00:03:57.220 arrested which brings me to this the home is the most dangerous place for women according to the united

00:04:02.960 nations the home the place where we should all feel safe six women are killed every hour around the

00:04:09.300 world by people they know now here are some other very depressing statistics one in three women

00:04:16.000 experience violence at the hands of a man in their lifetime whether that's physical or sa that's

00:04:21.680 according to the world health organization 50 of women who were unalived in 2017 were killed by an

00:04:27.760 intimate partner violence it's according to the united nations 650 million women were married before

00:04:33.720 the age of 18 this is according to unicef meaning they became child brides often against their will

00:04:38.960 now the final statistic is that 71 of human trafficking victims are women and girls this is not to negate the

00:04:45.920 importance of male victims and standing up for their rights as well just to point out a general pattern

00:04:50.420 and the fact that women are typically overlooked as well as overrepresented in victim being victims of crimes

00:04:56.860 now there's also a general tendency to blame women for our oppression that we make less because our

00:05:02.640 work is less important or because we choose to work in fields that don't pay as much money or that we

00:05:07.500 were essayed because of the clothes we were wearing or that we were unalived because we chose to marry

00:05:12.860 the wrong man but none of these things are true and they are rooted in really harmful misconceptions

00:05:17.200 about what the feminist movement stands for i'm sure you all are also expecting me to be very angry today and

00:05:22.140 i hope that i won't be but i'm truly interested in furthering the feminist cause promoting equality

00:05:27.580 even if it means sometimes talking to people who don't agree with me um and finally i just would

00:05:33.520 like to say that men can be feminists and they're very important for the feminist movement for seeking

00:05:37.740 equal rights um around the world and um we strive to combat hate not promote it for equal rights for

00:05:45.660 all and by definition feminism is about the belief in social economic and political equality of the sexes

00:05:52.460 not about female supremacy or anything like that and i hope to debunk some of the myths that people think

00:05:57.640 about feminists today and show that it is a very important cause not just globally but in the u.s

00:06:03.440 and in the west thank you all right kylie thank you very much for your opening statement uh

00:06:09.980 andrew if you'd like to give yours now yeah um just a second let me back up here

00:06:15.620 there's one thing i wanted to address right in my opening i've been going through kylie's videos

00:06:20.180 and she knows so much which is not so this is a big bait and switch this happens often

00:06:27.900 i think i pointed this out to the whatever podcast many times especially when it comes to sociology and

00:06:32.100 psychology how often they are wrong and here's how they're wrong most often what they do is they take

00:06:38.120 studies which are recently published they point to those data sets and say because this is

00:06:42.780 right now the most current data set we have it's true and then operate as though those things are

00:06:48.680 in reality true when they're not kinsey says for instance on gender quotas according to

00:06:54.920 and she she cites this and many feminists cite this my name is are you talking about

00:06:59.160 the kinsey study oh the kinsey study yeah yeah yeah the kinsey study which you cite

00:07:04.340 right and most feminists cite the kinsey study um has been debunked for years i don't know where

00:07:11.860 why why which study is this hang on wait it's my opening statement you'll have a chance to

00:07:16.080 examine him just allow him so let me let me walk you through this earlier this week journalist

00:07:21.240 christopher brunette flagged a paper in a march 2024 issue of econ journal watch a biannual publication

00:07:27.540 edited by george mason economist daniel klein that publishes articles lengths responses to other

00:07:33.340 economist errors the paper written by accounting professor jeremiah green of texas a&m and john

00:07:38.640 r.m hand of the university of north carolina addressed the first of three mckenzie four

00:07:42.560 installment series of diversity studies green and hand sought to test the replicability of mckenzie's

00:07:48.780 findings guess what they found guys could another set of researchers using the same data come to the

00:07:55.820 same conclusions since mckenzie refused to turn over its numbers green in hand had to reverse engineer

00:08:04.540 the firm's 2015 18 and 20 data sets the results were startling green in hand couldn't replicate the

00:08:10.600 results of mckenzie's first three studies which monitored the profitability of the executive

00:08:15.500 demographics of an undisclosed group of s&p 500 firms claiming to have found a positive correlation

00:08:21.160 between diverse leadership and the firm's performance we do not find a statistical

00:08:25.800 significant positive correlation between mckenzie's measures of the racial ethnic diversity of executive

00:08:34.840 terms of firms as measured in december 2019 green in hand reported and either the likelihood of

00:08:40.600 financial outperformance in 1519 so to give you a quick summary the study seems to show its most likely

00:08:46.920 correlation and not causation meaning companies were already doing very financially well and they

00:08:52.920 have the luxury to mess around with diversity quotas and initiatives in addition the data from the 2024

00:08:57.960 paper was unable to replicate any of the older mckenzie studies any of them that should uh tell you

00:09:06.200 something so that's a very recent data set right why don't any of the psychologists ever go with the recent

00:09:13.880 data set well the reason they don't go with it is because it doesn't affirm their nonsensical world

00:09:18.680 worldviews that's why they don't go with them ever you'll find this very common sociology and in

00:09:23.240 psychology which suffer from the replication crisis somewhere around 60 percent of their findings cannot

00:09:29.240 be replicated are not to be trusted psychology is the study of the mind the scientific views of

00:09:35.560 psychology are only done through data collection but it has to be interpreted this is a major major

00:09:41.800 problem so many feminists will tell you so many studies and luckily i have all of the ones to

00:09:47.720 refute all of all of my opponent studies today because what happens is they have a biased world

00:09:54.760 view and they want the data set to correlate with the world view rather than wanting to tell you what the

00:10:01.400 actual truth is the truth is is that a bunch of s&p 500 companies were very rich were already doing

00:10:07.320 really well and for the purposes of publicity they decided that they were going to start doing a bunch

00:10:12.680 of dei hires and ethnic hires and this type of thing and they decided that the correlation cause

00:10:19.080 they made the correlation causation error that's it you'll find this over and over again i'm sure as

00:10:24.120 we go through this debate as we go through the numbers especially when it comes to the abuse of

00:10:27.720 women especially when it comes to just how useful women are we talk about domesticated later

00:10:33.560 labor what a joke you believe that women should be paid some type of domestic wage however it's

00:10:38.760 skilled labor in the home which keeps the home running it's always going to be paid way more

00:10:42.280 than domestic labor because it's more worthwhile than domestic labor simple so with that i'll

00:10:47.960 finish my opening statement i can't wait to dive right into this okay uh so kylie it sounded like you

00:10:56.360 maybe had some uh some pushback you wanted to give on something andrew said there yeah so i um

00:11:03.880 very briefly referenced the mckinsey study and mckinsey and companies women in the workplace study by the

00:11:08.920 way is what he's referring to but um it's actually if you go and look it up it's generally considered

00:11:13.000 accurate and comprehensive in its findings so i have quite literally no idea what my opponent is

00:11:17.240 talking about as well as the fact that this is a red herring fallacy of just oh this is wrong and my

00:11:22.040 opponent is wrong for the following reasons how's that a red herring because you're not actually

00:11:26.520 acknowledging any of the information that i said i refuted the information i didn't even talk about

00:11:30.760 that i have refutations to your video i have your video right here and you start by saying the

00:11:35.960 largest comprehensive study the kinsey study are you talking about i'll play it for you

00:11:41.560 give me a second here okay well um i think we should stick to what we're talking about today um

00:11:47.240 and i just well we're talking about all of this today so the okay well i would like you to be

00:11:51.720 less hostile to me first of all because i think we should just have a general discussion

00:11:55.240 stop whining we're doing a debate stop so um i'm not going to give you the reaction that i

00:12:00.040 know you're looking for so women are better leaders than most oh yes yes yes yes i was looking at that

00:12:04.840 video yeah yeah i mean that's like one of the ones that you cite which study oh yeah the one that i'm

00:12:09.720 talking about now but i didn't reference that in my opening at all so i think the people in the

00:12:12.600 audience if they had any sort of common sense following along they'd be like what is he talking about

00:12:16.360 kylie didn't mention that yeah i didn't but the thing is is like this is a current core part

00:12:21.320 of your world view and belief and you make propaganda videos about it even though it's

00:12:25.000 completely uninformed that women are better leaders i think that is a subjective opinion

00:12:29.000 none of the statistics and facts that i gave previously are objective opinions like the fact

00:12:33.080 that women didn't have the right to vote until 1920 women couldn't open a bank account in the united

00:12:37.160 states till 19 when did men get the right to vote okay i know this is exactly what you were talking

00:12:42.920 about this is what you're known for is like getting people on a technicality that we don't

00:12:46.840 historically no but the answer to that is no the answer to that is the answer is that's no

00:12:52.520 no the answer to that is the fact that in 1920 everyone is given the right to vote but there were

00:12:56.280 still um barriers to vote for people of color when did men get the right to vote the the right to vote

00:13:01.480 was guaranteed to all people in 1920 according to the 19th before 1920 were men were all men allowed

00:13:06.120 to vote no okay great and then when even when men's because of white supremacy and because our system

00:13:11.240 was not founded equally are you aware that men only got any rights to vote about a decade

00:13:17.560 roughly before women that is not true men have been making the founding fathers were all men so

00:13:22.920 i have no idea what you're talking about what does that have to do with the right to vote the right

00:13:25.320 to vote was historically withheld from men of color it was a it was also with the general

00:13:30.120 population do not cut me off do not cut me off i'm in the middle of speaking i don't care if you're

00:13:33.640 in the middle of speaking you're in the middle of a debate the right to vote you don't have

00:13:37.000 your tick tock mute button sweetheart i will not be speaking anymore until you have a conversation

00:13:43.480 with him well look if we can uh for for both people if we can allow each other to finish uh

00:13:52.840 even if you want to jump in just let the other person finish speaking if somebody's going on a uh

00:13:58.600 monologue and they're filibustering i'll try to get them to wrap up but just if they're making a point

00:14:04.840 just try to let them finish no i did not go to school for four years and build a platform

00:14:10.040 to be talked to like this so i will be walking away from the microphone right now and i would

00:14:13.960 encourage you to get your guest under control i'm going to take two minutes so you can ask him

00:14:17.880 questions if you'd like and i will be right back because you run the show i just won't be back and

00:14:23.480 i don't give a shit what do i care i'm here to have a debate and i listen to your whining do you

00:14:28.360 want to have a debate or not all right i i'm not going to be talked to like this well do you want

00:14:32.520 do you want to just take a little two-minute breather you want to take a two-minute breather

00:14:36.600 this is feminism you're the strong woman you're the strong woman really

00:14:44.200 strong woman i will not be talked to like what what did i even say um you know i would uh

00:14:53.160 i will not be talked to like that yeah you will what are you talking about what are you it's a debate

00:14:58.920 maybe we'll we we can try to stick to there's been some really strong feminist women in that

00:15:06.440 chair who have debated with me just not this one yeah um although i think maybe for the

00:15:14.760 the sake of the ensuring that the debate happens uh

00:15:22.520 maybe we can just so we get the debate so the debate happens you know maybe

00:15:27.720 well what what am i supposed to do i'm in the middle of a debate am i supposed to

00:15:33.400 am i supposed to worry about tone policing and this and that because i have points and refutations

00:15:37.800 which may hurt people's feelings well i i think she overreacted a little bit but i think it is fair to

00:15:46.360 allow uh then time if she's in the middle of yeah time it give us 60 seconds a piece

00:15:52.520 uh yeah we could do that yeah i'll i'll propose that to her let's do 60 but i mean i'm fine with

00:15:58.440 keeping it open but just if if you're talking i'll and she interrupts you i'll tell her not to

00:16:05.320 but if you can just try to let her uh finish yeah but when they when when anybody does the

00:16:10.440 bullshit of like i'm speaking and you know what i mean of course there's going to be some yeah but

00:16:14.360 try to try to let her finish if you can but let's do 60 second back and forth that's fine with me as

00:16:19.560 long as there's some boundaries yeah you want to do that 60 seconds back and forth that works or if

00:16:24.680 you guys want we could give it another shot at just keeping it open combo um sure why don't we do

00:16:30.280 that if it if the interruptions continue you guys feel like you're not i would like to just point

00:16:35.400 out wait wait we have to set the rules first no more talking yes we will do 60 seconds to be

00:16:40.360 talked to like that though right no 60 seconds back and forth i will i will leave i'm so serious

00:16:44.440 we sign an agreement if i can leave i don't care why do you think i care if you i'm not talking to

00:16:49.480 you hold on hold on i'm not talking to you okay i'm talking what's your what's go ahead what's your

00:16:53.560 proposal my proposal if we don't do 60 seconds back and forth i will walk out right now the

00:16:57.320 agreement was that i appear it does not say that i have to stay for three hours so i will leave

00:17:01.800 right now because i'm not going to be talked to like this i'm like what

00:17:06.760 real men or real you're going to tell me what a real man is

00:17:09.640 andrew my dad real women don't abort their children lady my dad has the same political

00:17:15.080 beliefs as you and he would never talk to and my sister has the same political beliefs as you and

00:17:18.680 she would never dare talk to a man like that like what's your point can that makes no sense

00:17:22.040 andrew can you stop andrew that's really disrespectful oh god everything's disrespectful

00:17:26.680 stop stop you're such a crybaby andrew stop in furtherance of ensuring that this debate actually

00:17:34.760 occurs let's set some ground rules you got to allow people to finish their points

00:17:41.400 and uh andrew maybe you've said some mocking things towards her no i have not mocked him at

00:17:47.000 all no no no i've stood up for myself and i will not be mocked i have not said a word that is bad to

00:17:52.200 you i talked to you about your family in michigan i want to get to know you this isn't about anything

00:17:56.120 about me mocking you this is a boundary i'm not here to get to know you i'm here to do a debate

00:18:00.520 look when you return to the table uh you did the the tone your tone wasn't the best towards andrew

00:18:07.800 and look look i'm hold on hold on hold on i'll be fair hold on kylie i'll be fair andrew's tone

00:18:13.720 towards you wasn't great either in furtherance of ensuring that the debate actually occurs

00:18:20.040 why don't we just get back to it and stick to the uh the substance of the conversation i'm trying to be

00:18:27.640 fair to both of you but 60 seconds each yeah no interruptions andrew if you if you're fine with

00:18:32.280 that then i'm fine with that so we'll and if you guys are open to it if that goes well the 60 seconds

00:18:38.120 each we can bring it back to open conversation okay well there does have to be some cross-examination

00:18:42.680 at some point but yeah that's fine sure okay so kylie go ahead you have uh 60 seconds okay so the

00:18:48.440 point of my conversation here is i would genuinely like to have an open discussion about like what feminism

00:18:53.560 means and to debunk some of the feminist myths but my opponent seems to want to attack me instead

00:18:58.200 and call me names which is totally okay i'm used to that especially if you look at my comments online

00:19:02.760 but the point being i'm going to try my best to keep it very mellow again if i'm being attacked i am

00:19:06.840 going to get defensive but i would like to start by saying yes the mckinsey study so in sociology

00:19:12.360 psychology studies are flawed and that is true they are continually it's a field that's expanding and

00:19:17.320 that's why i chose to study psychology because i do find it so interesting but that doesn't negate the

00:19:21.720 fact that plenty of studies have found a significant correlation between being a woman and being a

00:19:26.200 victim of violence at the hands of a man and again the study of one in three women globally who

00:19:30.520 experience sexual or physical violence and i think that is the core of what a lot of feminists believe

00:19:34.920 in is trying to combat that violent behavior and to protect women i'm sure that's close to a minute so

00:19:40.120 i can pass it over yeah so feminism has completely lied to everybody and i'll explain exactly how it

00:19:45.960 failed in its promise its promise was that it was supposed to protect women it hasn't protected

00:19:50.520 women the very idea that you want to put women inside of male workforces is not protecting women

00:19:56.920 the idea that you want to have dual colleges where it's men and women together is not protecting women

00:20:01.560 these are terrible ideas and they've been born out as being terrible ideas when you talk about

00:20:06.840 sociological studies being flawed i don't think that you're really being honest about how flawed they

00:20:12.280 are the replication crisis in sociology is getting worse not better it's not getting better even with

00:20:18.280 all the meta-analysis it's not getting better why isn't it getting better it's because of bias there's

00:20:23.480 so much bias which is going on especially from the the purview of feminists and feminists use

00:20:29.160 standpoint theory they want everything to go through the view of women so when you're talking

00:20:33.080 about for instance the criteria when you're talking about uh what that means that women are assaulted

00:20:39.800 right what what is the criteria for that for what an assault actually is that's a really good

00:20:46.360 question um there are definitely we are definitely working on um defining the lines for that so right

00:20:51.960 now there's an acronym that we are coming up with that we want to teach in schools of like what that

00:20:55.960 means which is um fries so freely given reversible informed enthusiastic or engaged in specific of

00:21:02.200 what consent means so that there is no confusion about what is happening in terms of you know like

00:21:09.960 whether it's an assault because i know that does happen where men are confused and they don't know

00:21:13.880 and especially if there's alcohol involved and so my goal is to protect women and also to make sure

00:21:19.560 that men know that if they are causing harm that i mean a lot of men they don't want to hurt other

00:21:24.600 people they don't realize it and so i think if we have better education about like what assault is

00:21:29.480 and how to prevent it because again there are male victims so i think if it's something that we can

00:21:33.480 come forward about and make sure that everyone feels heard and supported then men would also come

00:21:39.240 forward more about like if they've been assaulted this doesn't answer my question though my question

00:21:42.920 is when you cite the data on how many of these women have actually been assaulted what is the

00:21:48.600 criteria being used um that's a good question i see your point of how it varies like based upon the

00:21:54.040 study and things like that but um i think uh a lot of these uh problem is that it is self-reported

00:21:59.080 but again another issue is that that means they could be under-reported as well because you know women

00:22:04.200 are too scared to report it um so yes there are issues with that um but another thing though is

00:22:08.920 that women are definitely in a position um in the home where they are not safe in a lot of places and

00:22:14.600 again that comes back to the um kind of assumption that i was talking about earlier is that like it's

00:22:19.400 because we married the wrong man and you know this guy is unsafe in our home but it's not about that

00:22:22.840 it's sometimes when you you marry somebody or you date somebody they can then become violent towards

00:22:27.640 you um because they see you as their property most of these domestic violence claims and things

00:22:33.000 like this are happening from single mothers with boyfriends though not happening from the father

00:22:36.920 at home do you have relationships yes i do okay no i'm just wondering because um yeah not only not

00:22:42.760 only is that factually the case but interestingly enough if the state seizes custody of a child inside

00:22:48.760 of an abusive home the child's actually more likely at the hands of the state to die than they are in

00:22:54.840 the hands of the abusive home which is insane but true i think now let me give you the studies that

00:23:00.840 you're talking about here okay um so okay are these the studies about which claims that you said yeah

00:23:07.720 so here we're going to start with the national incident study nis it's the largest collection

00:23:13.160 of all types reporting data relating to abuse and maltreatment of children okay 68 of maltreated

00:23:19.640 children were maltreated by a female whereas 48 were maltreated by a male some children were maltreated

00:23:26.600 by both of children maltreated by biological parents mothers maltreated the majority 75 percent where

00:23:31.560 fathers maltreated a sizable majority 43 percent in contrast male perpetrators were more common for

00:23:36.600 children maltreated by non-biological parents or parents partners 64 percent or 75 percent safest place

00:23:44.200 you can possibly be in the home is with your husband and with your children that that's for women the

00:23:49.320 safest place they can be any study that you pull up is going to be drawing from the nis source that's

00:23:55.720 direct from the nis itself there's no refuting that i've looked and looked and looked it is

00:24:01.080 definitely from partner incidents violence women are the safest when they have a husband in the home

00:24:06.440 i think for some women that is the case i think there are good men out there and i think that's

00:24:10.360 a misconception that feminists don't believe in and that there are good men that we hate all men which

00:24:15.160 definitely isn't true but i would like to say like because you're saying you know psychology is an

00:24:18.840 evolving field there are different studies in different numbers male perpetrators are predominant and

00:24:23.160 while the exact percentage differs it's generally estimated that between 75 and 90 percent of child

00:24:27.000 sexual abuse is committed by men or male adolescents that's that's because it's not drawing from the

00:24:31.880 correct data set which would be the nis but the and the reason they do that is because which one is

00:24:36.840 the correct data because they all draw from the nis all of them draw from this data set the nis they

00:24:42.120 have to it's the most comprehensive source for reporting so here's what happens if you wanted to gather

00:24:47.080 data you're a psychologist are you seriously explaining to me how it works to gather data that

00:24:51.560 no i'm asking you a question if you wanted to gather data right if you want especially on crimes

00:24:57.080 you would use law enforcement or the best source for reporting right in this case self-reporting is

00:25:02.840 going to be far less reliable than reports to the police things like this right yes understandable so

00:25:07.800 you're saying that this is the most comprehensive therefore the most reliable source it's the most

00:25:11.080 comprehensive source where are you finding that it is the most comprehensive because you haven't

00:25:14.200 mentioned a source that says it is because i'm looking at it now nis that's not from the nis there's

00:25:19.320 the national from the nis from the nis there's the national center of it for victims of crime and

00:25:25.960 rain which is the statistics that i just rain draws from the nis okay so then how come it draws

00:25:31.080 from the same source because my conclusion is different than yours because they changed the

00:25:34.440 criteria for what is considered assault and they changed the criteria like i've seen it as bad as

00:25:39.640 them saying that men cannot be essayed by women because it's non-penetrative i see so you're saying

00:25:45.320 that those that would skew the numbers it does skew the numbers so the results of the national

00:25:49.160 incident study nis the largest collection of all types of reported data related to abuse the

00:25:55.320 maltreatment 68 maltreated children were maltreated by a female 48 maltreated by a male women when they're

00:26:03.480 in positions of power over the over people who are weaker than them actually abuse more than men do so

00:26:10.040 at the same time while you say well women have to run this big gambit of threats from men

00:26:15.320 because men are much stronger than women and more have more propensity of violence when women are

00:26:19.880 in charge of people who are inferior in strength to them their incidences of violence towards them

00:26:24.840 are much higher than men's incidences of violence towards them that sounds like women are the greater

00:26:29.880 threat here than men sure um if you want to say that that's totally a prerogative but that's not

00:26:34.680 what the numbers say so you can say no no it's my turn to speak you can say what you want about all

00:26:39.000 the different statistics and how they come from a specific study but the point is that they are there

00:26:43.960 are different estimates and basically every study conducted globally has found that the number of

00:26:48.200 female victims is astronomically higher than male victims not to say male victims aren't important if

00:26:52.520 you are a male victim especially if you haven't spoken up i have seen the effects of having male

00:26:56.280 sexual assault in my family so please like talk to somebody it is serious but one in six boys have

00:27:00.680 been sexually assaulted and a lot of the time it is by male offenders yeah but what about the fact

00:27:05.000 that we're talking about wages of abuse of children women are are the ones who are most often in charge of

00:27:12.520 children the domestic rates for instance inside of a boys home where the guards prison guards are all

00:27:19.800 male and it's a male uh you know youth population versus female if there's a female uh females in charge

00:27:27.800 of youth population the statistics for abuse skyrocket same thing inside of public schools

00:27:32.760 are you saying that women are more likely to be uh women are more likely no women are more likely than men

00:27:37.960 when it comes to the weaker sex in this case children we would just say children are the

00:27:42.760 the uh i not i mean both sexes right but they're they are the weaker human than women when they're in

00:27:49.480 charge of children they actually abuse them far more than what men abuse women at and so it's like

00:27:55.800 so who's really the dangerous ones here i mean your 60 seconds begins go ahead oh thank you thank you

00:28:01.400 um well i would like to say that that is a claim that that is a reasonable conclusion that you are

00:28:06.680 drawing from the data that you were presenting unfortunately that that is not true though that

00:28:11.160 the vast majority of sex offenders are male and especially when you know there are still female

00:28:16.440 offenders and that is still bad but um the point is that there is significant male dominance and that

00:28:22.760 most sex offenders are male and females do commit sex crimes but they're often underrepresented as

00:28:27.640 perpetrators so you're correct um but that data you're reporting is it do you want to continue yes

00:28:32.920 please um and so you're 60 this is from the united states commission sentencing which is just about

00:28:38.280 sexual abuse offenders um and there's a whole pie chart here but and like about how many times they

00:28:43.640 offend and who they offend and um who they're under guidance for and again it is saying that the vast

00:28:49.880 majority up to 80 percent of the perpetrators are men yeah so yeah you can talk now so women do you

00:28:55.480 agree with me that well i have to ask some questions here so i can figure some things out i hope

00:28:59.880 that you'll answer them so do you agree with me that uh both men and women have the propensity to

00:29:07.080 in some way essay the other the other partner both of them yeah i wouldn't say that it's i mean no no

00:29:12.120 yes i agree it is definitely possible for both sexes to do that the question becomes if you have

00:29:17.320 if you switch criteria around right for what is considered sexual assault let's just assume things

00:29:22.920 like cat calling are put in the category that's harassment but are you but let's say it's categorized

00:29:28.840 not as harassment but as a form of sexual abuse would you say that that would greatly skew the

00:29:34.840 numbers if that were how it was classified yes do you have evidence that is how i do in fact there's

00:29:40.200 there's a whole grouping of colleges in a study that i can show you where that was smuggled in

00:29:44.920 as a form of uh of sexual assault or essay or sexual battery in some cases right they smuggle in but

00:29:53.160 and so what they do is they decide that they want to make that data set wider and so they just

00:29:58.520 reclassify things which would not ordinarily be classified as sexual assault or sexual battery

00:30:03.960 by just inserting those things now the same thing same exact thing happens here do you think that it's

00:30:08.120 very masculine for instance inside of society for men to go and report when a woman gives them unwanted

00:30:13.720 touching no and i matter of fact i do know male victims with female perpetrators and they have unwanted

00:30:18.440 touching yes so they're just far more likely to report it because of the social stigma which happens

00:30:24.280 to them often from women who tell them things like i don't consider you a real man like you did to me

00:30:28.600 earlier oh um i didn't really say that but you did your exact words were a real man would x oh yeah like

00:30:35.800 real men like my dad who have the same political beliefs but don't talk to women the way you do yeah

00:30:38.920 whatever that means but anyway so a real man a real man does x right wouldn't you say that the social

00:30:44.600 stigma around the fact that women can kind of get away with the same type of inappropriate

00:30:48.920 touching without men reporting would greatly skew these numbers yes however i think that women um

00:30:54.440 and men who are victims and are perpetrators as well i think those are both underreported i think

00:30:59.560 across the board it's underreported but more for male victims with female perpetrators how many more

00:31:03.560 for male victims i don't know but it could be it could it could be drastic right and i would hope not

00:31:08.200 and if it is drastic then it would skew your numbers on all of those percentages across

00:31:11.960 the board absolutely it would but the problem is we have no way of gathering that data and with the

00:31:15.080 data we do have though i see what you're saying about the stigma but it is so vastly that women

00:31:20.200 are victims and men are the perpetrators that i don't see that catching up in any percentage why

00:31:24.680 not it depends on how underreported it is in fact a lot of these data sets draw from unreported

00:31:30.920 incidences via estimates don't they unreported incidences via estimates yes so i suppose yeah there's

00:31:37.880 no way that they can actually gather that data um yeah yeah so this would be the exact same thing

00:31:45.000 right they're making a supposition based on an estimate this would equally have to apply to men

00:31:50.760 but if the social stigma is there by your own admission that men are basically not reporting

00:31:55.640 the instances of unwanted touching from women due to this social stigma we don't actually know how bad

00:32:00.840 that social stigma really is do we no and i mean that's also what feminists that's a great point and i

00:32:05.560 agree with you because feminists that is one oh it's also my 60 seconds right well we're having a

00:32:09.560 back and forth now so okay well can i have 60 seconds because i would just like to talk a little

00:32:13.400 bit about like you can't like we can't get into a back and forth and then and then like arbitrarily

00:32:18.200 demand whole whole blocks okay well i'm just going to give some statistics because i think we're on the

00:32:21.480 same page here i think we've actually found common ground so that the stigma of round um essay and

00:32:26.440 abuse is what allows these numbers to be underreported and so i think that because that's what feminists want

00:32:31.800 is we want men to be comfortable coming forward as well because we want safety and equality

00:32:35.400 for the sexes that is what the definition of the term is is the belief in social economic and

00:32:39.080 political equality of let me refute these lies because well i think that some people don't

00:32:42.760 believe that all national all national campaigns that i've seen hyper focus on women and the abuse

00:32:47.240 of women already making the supposition that men are the monsters and the criminals who are doing the

00:32:51.400 unwanted touching and the essaying and because of that because this is done at a national level at a

00:32:55.960 state level at a local level and the organizations and ngos are all hyper focusing on women this stigma

00:33:01.800 towards men is never addressed because women are only looking at it through the prism of well i don't

00:33:07.240 you know it's not just women who are working on these studies right and who are writing these

00:33:09.880 articles it doesn't matter don't you say men can be feminists yeah okay so by your criteria these men

00:33:15.000 who have the same exact world view as you they're still hyper focusing on feminism and the idea always

00:33:20.840 starts with the supposition that men are the more violent sex that there are more often doing these

00:33:26.200 types of essays sexual assaults things like this and what do we end up with we end up with very

00:33:30.840 skewed numbers based on the criteria right where uh within just a matter of minutes we can determine

00:33:36.920 that not only can most of this stuff be replicated but we can also determine that just based on the

00:33:41.080 viewed categorization of these things they can't be true these numbers can't be true okay now um so i

00:33:48.200 don't understand where you're coming from with how it can't be true how something can't be true because

00:33:51.800 again if you're going off of something being underreported and the data not being there you're

00:33:55.000 saying okay well then this is true which means this can't be true which means this and you're

00:33:58.440 not even going from like actual data do you want me to demonstrate it no no i'm okay i'm talking for

00:34:02.360 now please i'll demonstrate it real quick so it would be like this i'm actually are there are there

00:34:07.000 i feel like you've dominated the conversation for the last few minutes if that's okay if i would like

00:34:10.120 to well i thought you just wanted me to demonstrate for you something no i'm actually okay on that thank

00:34:14.760 you you don't you don't want me to you asked me a question you don't want me to answer it

00:34:17.480 no no i was actually in the middle of talking okay go ahead um thank you um you're welcome thank you

00:34:22.840 no like that was genuine i wasn't trying to i know you're welcome thanks uh yeah so um

00:34:27.000 the patriarchy is benevolent yes so i think that the four principles that uh is a common misconception

00:34:33.720 and if you want to refute these like i would love that but working to increase equality economically

00:34:39.320 and politically for for women um which again not rooted in female supremacy but some people think it

00:34:44.440 is uh expanding human choice human choice meaning male female everyone um eliminating gender

00:34:50.280 stratification which means you know globally can we move back to two yes expanding human choice um

00:34:57.320 and for everybody and then three eliminating gender stratification um you know how like most of the

00:35:04.360 power and money is concentrated to men globally so sort of making the opportunities there for women

00:35:11.000 and again like you have to think about this globally as well like not where it's not we're very us

00:35:14.520 centric i think in this debate but there are definitely countries where women are really really

00:35:20.360 deprived of any sort of autonomy and then the final one is ending sexual violence which we've talked

00:35:24.600 about quite a lot so those are the four principles of feminism as we see it today um and although there

00:35:30.920 are different places around the world i guess we can focus um you know sort of here and globally if you

00:35:36.760 have points on that or if you just want to confine it to the us then let me know yeah well the us is where i live

00:35:42.360 that's what i'm talking about but okay so when we're discussing this this idea especially of no no

00:35:49.000 no these numbers are accurate that actually can't be true you said no it it actually can't be well no

00:35:53.880 it can't be because one you've already admitted that there's a stigma towards reporting which means

00:35:58.040 these numbers are already skewed right from the get-go here's a good demonstration of this this is

00:36:02.040 something you'll hear psychologists say a lot and i'm sure you probably said it yourself that the

00:36:06.280 mental illness probably has always been somewhat near as high as it is right now it's just that it went

00:36:11.160 under reported right that's something that you would say or trans there's just as many transgender

00:36:15.640 people now as there were homosexuals it's just that we didn't have the right numbers because they

00:36:19.640 weren't able to report them correctly right so it follows then that if it is the case that under all

00:36:24.600 of these circumstances due to a lack of reporting due to stigma we didn't have the correct numbers and

00:36:29.560 so you can suppose that into the data that you have right now for how many there's always been

00:36:33.560 right why couldn't i do the exact same thing with sa numbers no you can but um how are you going to get

00:36:38.280 the fit like how are you going to get the figure that it is more are you saying it's more female

00:36:42.840 perpetrators like than male perpetrators if i look how can you possibly get that because if i look at

00:36:47.080 the raw data and we look at stigmas right if we're looking we agree on stigma but the data how do you

00:36:52.120 have because the data is not taking into account the stigma towards male reporting but it is but i'm

00:36:56.600 saying there are no reported cases yeah you can't how do you report the cases if the stigma is there

00:37:02.120 for them to not report so yes given that how do we come up with any because you know these other

00:37:08.040 places they come up with estimates these studies that you just cited whether we come so how do we

00:37:11.320 come up with an estimate for female whether we come up with the estimate or not we have good reason to

00:37:15.080 doubt the the uh the various estimates by rain and these other sexual advocacy organizations

00:37:20.920 especially when i look at the nis because when i look at the nis i get totally different numbers and

00:37:25.080 it's way more comprehensive it's the largest most comprehensive data set on planet earth

00:37:30.120 is the nis and that's what it shows it shows that women are far more likely to abuse their children

00:37:34.920 than men when women are in positions of dominant power and authority over weaker people than themselves

00:37:41.320 they're more likely to abuse almost every time this is also included in health care stats when they

00:37:46.280 are in charge of people who are weaker than them in health care situations they abuse far more than men

00:37:51.240 do you keep talking about the nis like which specific like are you talking about the national

00:37:55.800 and because the specific study that you're talking about how women are perpetrators more frequently

00:37:59.560 genuinely cannot find it anywhere on the internet okay i'll pull up the exact study if you give me

00:38:03.160 just a second yeah no that's fine um because i'm looking at like the bureau of justice statistics and

00:38:06.840 like you know like the fbi and you can find this from the even the cdc you can find this from the

00:38:11.560 u.s department of justice sexual victimization and juvenile facilities reported by youth 2012

00:38:17.080 okay okay and is this where you're saying that these are all comprehensive these are all

00:38:21.640 comprehensively included inside of the nis this is what i'm saying is that i have each individual

00:38:26.280 study ready for you the you can look also and we can we can move to this as well if you want to wait

00:38:32.520 so is this the one where you're saying that female perpetrators are more frequent is that what you're

00:38:36.040 talking about yes yes from the that's from from the national incident study oh national incident

00:38:41.800 yes okay the largest collection of all types reported data related to abuse maltreatment of children

00:38:46.680 68 percent of maltreated children maltreated by a female 48 maltreated by a male and every

00:38:52.360 circumstance the nis finds that when women are put in charge of uh people who are weaker than

00:38:59.000 themselves are more likely to abuse than the stronger sex that being men and what's interesting

00:39:04.520 about this is it gives us every reason to believe that if women had the exact same frame and build as

00:39:09.480 men did that men were that uh that they would actually abuse far more often than men do them

00:39:17.240 right so what we're looking at here is we're looking at a huge problem where women who are

00:39:22.200 supposedly being abused by men are doing a whole lot of abuse which is going unreported of children

00:39:27.960 while you're focusing on the scapegoat of men yeah i don't doubt that women are unfortunately a lot of

00:39:33.240 women are abusing children but the study that you're saying the only thing that i'm able to find is that

00:39:37.080 one in every 25 children in the u.s experience maltreatment neglect is more prevalent than

00:39:41.240 abuse and then they talk about how for the four percent of children that experience genuine

00:39:45.080 maltreatment and in danger of death but i i'm not seeing anything um it says oh girls were sexually

00:39:50.600 abused much more often than boys under the harm standard and endangerment standard with male

00:39:54.840 perpetrators being more common that's all i was able to find uh okay would you like for me to

00:39:59.320 actually link it to you that was just from the juvenile facility study though right yeah yeah yeah but

00:40:04.280 what about the nis data the nis data is going to be the most important because it's the most

00:40:08.680 comprehensive collection of it it's funny because you keep repeating this talking point about a study

00:40:12.600 that i can't find uh well how do you i'm not saying it doesn't exist but from the so you think that um

00:40:18.920 the national instance study is not reporting this like i could link i can link it to you no i i believe

00:40:23.880 it i'm just saying like there are so many more common sources that have different numbers talking about

00:40:29.240 how male perpetrators are more common than the study that you're talking about because i genuinely

00:40:33.720 oh i got uh got a little more for the u.s department drop it to me yeah the u.s department of health and

00:40:38.680 human services has been tracking the data on child abuse and neglect since 1978 with something called

00:40:43.080 the national incident study nis the national incident study is a congressionally mandated

00:40:47.720 periodic effort of the united states department of health and human services there have been four

00:40:52.040 such reports the latest being the nis 4 which came out 2010 this includes the breakdown

00:40:56.680 nis gathers data from all reporting agencies that in any study will pull from these agencies

00:41:02.920 because it's the congressional authority which is gathering that data the methodology the nis uses

00:41:07.800 the standard definitional framework for classifying child maltreatment including both types of abuse

00:41:11.960 and neglect these are the legitimate numbers and feminists have been hiding them under a rock because

00:41:17.720 they don't want to talk about this issue um i i i think that that is an interesting theory i think

00:41:24.200 that a lot of the things that you're talking about go more into theory than into fact and that's okay

00:41:28.920 i think that goes into what i'm saying is like just generally that's why i'm here is to debunk a lot

00:41:33.000 of the myths um debunk that myth well i again you said you would send me the study cannot find the

00:41:39.320 study that women are more likely to be perpetrators it doesn't i i genuinely cannot find a single thing

00:41:43.560 i've been looking for five ten minutes you've been looking for what have you been looking on i literally

00:41:47.720 looked at exactly what you said cannot find the numbers now because i like i'm not this is not trying to be

00:41:52.920 like an appeal to like authority but i've done like debate my whole life and like obviously like

00:41:56.920 most of the time we tend to focus on the facts so to me if i can't understand the facts that they

00:42:00.840 don't exist of where i'm finding it that is a problem for me okay i i saw that it didn't say

00:42:06.760 the numbers that you were talking about yes it has them this is from there's no way you scroll down

00:42:10.760 so i can read it how in the world i was just on that website and i did not say that female perpetrators

00:42:14.440 are more common did you read that entire thing in two minutes that is nonsense it is huge there is no

00:42:22.360 possible way you went through those numbers i read like that is the biggest that is the biggest

00:42:27.160 crock there is no possible way you went through that in two minutes it is massive okay you can

00:42:32.200 think that it's okay what do you mean think that that is not humanly possible do you have magic

00:42:36.600 powers that i'm aware i don't know pretty smart what oh come on at least be honest in the debate i mean

00:42:45.480 you could just say i didn't read it yeah i couldn't find the numbers that you're citing there's no

00:42:50.200 possible way you looked at that the numbers that you're talking about they don't exist

00:42:54.120 female perpetrators are not more common than male perpetrators so like again i would prefer that we

00:42:58.760 would stick to actual reality and facts that these are the actual realities of facts i just showed you

00:43:03.240 this study right the most likely reason why women are more likely to abuse than men i agree they're not

00:43:08.680 being used to checked on uh using force is the uk's leading mental health charity the mental health

00:43:14.040 foundation says that today women are three times more likely than men to experience common mental

00:43:18.840 health problems as well do you want to go over that about how men are more likely to experience

00:43:23.400 mental health issues no females women are more likely to experience mental health issues what is

00:43:27.720 your point yes men well what's your point well how is feminism combating this i would hope that we can

00:43:32.200 continue to do a better job i mean there's a lot of people that i know that really struggle with

00:43:35.960 their mental health and a lot of i mean we don't have to get too deep into it but i know that a lot of

00:43:39.880 women who have experienced some abuse uh sexually at the hands of a man and then that led them to

00:43:45.320 have mental health issues i also know men more than soldiers have ptsd no no no ptsd is certainly

00:43:50.440 an issue but you can get ptsd from a number of things so i would like to point out that like

00:43:54.040 just saying one thing doesn't negate the other right so like just because i think it's important

00:43:57.720 to talk about women's mental health doesn't mean that men's mental health isn't important because

00:44:00.760 again they are more likely to like you know what about the fact that women's women's mental health

00:44:05.560 has been astronomically growing in the negative direction under feminism especially under

00:44:09.800 the egalitarianism of gender they report they report the happiest levels that women report

00:44:15.800 are when they're married and in traditional gender have you ever heard of the term ignorant

00:44:19.080 the phrase ignorance is bliss i'm sorry do i want to i'm sorry do i need to go and experience killing

00:44:24.120 someone right to know that i don't want to experience killing someone what well ignorance is bliss it's

00:44:30.840 possible for instance that i could kill someone and really love it right would i be able to maybe

00:44:35.400 talk about well hang on i want you to answer my question is that possible i just don't really

00:44:39.080 understand how to answer my question though if isn't it possible that i could kill somebody and

00:44:43.880 then just really like it but how does that answer my question please stop negating the question just

00:44:49.080 answer the question i just don't really want to talk about i don't care what you want to talk i

00:44:52.040 want you to answer my question and i'll answer your question just go to you're not going to answer my

00:44:56.040 question about murder that's not related to this yes it's a listen it's logically answer how you

00:45:01.880 think i would answer answer how you want me to answer what do you mean you're i'm in a debate with you

00:45:05.640 i'm not in a debate with me i'm not answer why would i answer this hypothetical question about

00:45:09.240 murder that has nothing to do with i was talking about if it has nothing to do with it i'm going

00:45:13.000 to look really stupid right so just answer the question so um go ahead and finish because yeah

00:45:18.680 so my question to you was isn't it possible that i could kill someone who really like it

00:45:25.320 that would be yes or no

00:45:27.560 yeah i understand how this works but i need you to answer my questions we're in a debate

00:45:30.920 i will answer your questions but you also need to answer mine or i can't get to the world view

00:45:35.720 yes or no okay i just this seems like a really moot point to me and it can you just answer it then

00:45:41.160 you've wasted like like two minutes not answering the question like a three-hour debate yeah why are

00:45:45.880 you wasting time just answer the question look kylie it's it's conceivable that you're going to propose

00:45:52.440 hypothetical questions to andrew to test and i'll answer them logic and worldview he'll answer it he's

00:45:57.960 i think it's a fair question if you can answer it as the moderator sure um i suppose it is possible

00:46:03.480 yes that if you did it then you would enjoy it although it makes me uncomfortable to talk about

00:46:07.480 that okay but if that's if this is the case well it would be possible for any human being yeah yeah

00:46:12.440 it's logically possible so the thing is is that knowing that this is true that we could i am actually

00:46:17.880 ignorant having never killed anybody right and i am in bliss about that i myself am really really

00:46:25.080 happy that i've never done that even though i could do that and could be very happy about that

00:46:29.560 the idea that you would make the point ignorance is bliss seems to well you didn't even let me get

00:46:33.800 to talk i just want you're just talking over i'll give you i'll give you the the oh i have to wait

00:46:37.560 for you to let me talk thank you you're welcome yeah so what i would say is this when you say ignorance

00:46:43.240 is bliss all you're doing is alluding to the fact that people should engage i'm giving you 15

00:46:47.480 seconds if you don't give me mike i'm leaving go ahead 15 oh my god you're gonna leave yeah oh no

00:46:52.280 no uh-oh look andrew's finishing his point i was he was finishing his point no i'm serious

00:46:58.360 10 15 seconds because he's been talking for the last five minutes so it's really not fair you're

00:47:03.480 you're not moderating very well here well to be fair you guys got to allow we were actually doing

00:47:08.840 really well i think hold on hold on until i was until i was making a broader point then then that

00:47:13.400 wasn't well it was at the expense of me speaking it's a problem hold on just one moment so look in in

00:47:19.480 conversations and especially in a debate look sometimes people are gonna are gonna butt in

00:47:24.200 there's been a few times you've done it andrew's done it you've both done it i'm trying my best

00:47:28.440 here well that's why i'm alerting you i feel like at this point i would like to be able to speak my

00:47:32.760 point because he he entered he rebutted me before i was able to give my point and that's that's been

00:47:37.560 happening the last you asked me a question have you heard the term yes so i could speak and explain

00:47:42.600 my point yeah so then i said yes and said but here's the problem and then talk for about three

00:47:46.520 four minutes and then try to back me into corner give the expression when i ask you a question you

00:47:50.600 answer it i expect a yes or no and then you give a comprehensive answer like i was

00:47:57.320 so can i can i get my my explanation did you are you done yeah okay okay so um you you going back

00:48:03.000 like five minutes basically to what you mentioned was the term like oh women are happier in the home

00:48:07.560 with a husband and kids right and so the term of ignorance is bliss i think for a lot of women who

00:48:12.520 do not have the opportunity to get an education and they are forced to be in the home they don't

00:48:16.360 know any other alternative so some women are truly happy but if that becomes the standard

00:48:20.840 that women have to be in the home and have kids and they don't have the opportunity to get an

00:48:24.520 education then of course that's going to be something that they think brings them joy because

00:48:27.880 they don't have any other opportunities and so like there's a lot of people in my mom's generation

00:48:32.280 or my grandma's generation where like they were like man i wish i could have gone to school and

00:48:36.200 like had an education and like picked someone and they just fell into a marriage that either was

00:48:40.680 abusive or like they weren't happy and so i think that um it's easier to report higher levels of

00:48:46.920 happiness when you perceive it to be your own your only option is living in the home and having

00:48:51.320 children and raising them yeah so but what do you have to say to that because yeah so interestingly

00:48:55.000 because it goes to your like under-reported things like you were talking about first of all

00:48:58.120 when you give anecdotal evidence like oh my mom and mom's friends i can give you an actual study

00:49:02.680 if you want may have went and i can refute it i promise but here's the thing when you give

00:49:06.680 anecdotal evidence and you say well my mom's friends this and that wish that they could have

00:49:10.360 gone to school there's also anecdotal evidence and an awful lot of it and you can find it on

00:49:14.200 youtube right now of tons of women saying they wish that they had not gone and gotten a career

00:49:18.680 and wish that they would have instead deferred those childbearing years in order to have a family

00:49:23.720 because they see the happiness levels of their friends colleagues friends you know co-workers

00:49:28.440 things like this that anecdotally is also just as true but to even go on to the ignorance is bliss i

00:49:33.880 could say this and make this case about literally anything i could say well i would love heroin

00:49:38.520 right i've never taken it but ignorance is bliss right oh i could say ignorance is bliss about

00:49:43.960 literally anything any drug hang on hang on any risky i didn't cut you off any risky behavior any of

00:49:49.880 this i could say that about anything what you're doing is saying i'm these women are happy there must

00:49:55.800 be some bad reason for that no some women are happy no you're saying i agree these women are happy

00:50:00.280 and there must be a bad reason for that and the bad because they're doing traditional hang on

00:50:03.720 because they're doing traditional gender roles so that must be bad so we can explain that away by

00:50:07.880 saying if they had all these negative experiences that those women who have those negative experiences

00:50:12.600 actually report a higher unhappiness level those women would actually be happier that's absurd logic

00:50:17.640 by the way okay sure um well again i agreed with you on quite a few things there but i would also like

00:50:21.960 to say that like i said at the beginning in my opening statement the home being the most dangerous place

00:50:25.720 for women like there are women who are in abusive marriages and so they have to convince themselves

00:50:30.120 that they are happy because their husband is beating them or like assaulting them or harming

00:50:35.480 their children and um when you're in that sort of situation it's very difficult to be able to walk

00:50:39.960 away from it and often times because you're isolated um and so yeah because the home is the most

00:50:44.760 dangerous place for women and you know six women are killed every hour in the home um around the

00:50:49.000 world those are very difficult realities that a lot of people don't want to grasp and i'm not saying

00:50:53.480 that every woman doesn't you know isn't happy in the home i think there are plenty of happy moms i

00:50:58.680 mean my mom has worked and raised our children you know her children and my sisters and i and like

00:51:03.160 help my dad out with like work but yeah for the most part was a stay-at-home mom and i think she really

00:51:07.160 enjoyed it but for me at this point in my life that's not something that i would like and it's not to say

00:51:11.480 that it's you know it's a bad thing but i just i think that some people are um convincing themselves

00:51:17.560 that they're happy when in reality it's a very uh difficult well i'm gonna have to go back to the

00:51:22.680 nis where i point out to you that as you keep saying that the most dangerous situation for

00:51:27.800 women is in the home that's going to the u.n around the world though okay not just here okay

00:51:30.920 but inside of the united states at least and inside of the western nations this is a commonality that

00:51:35.240 they all share it's not usually from the husband it's usually from boyfriends of single women or single

00:51:42.840 moms or uh as far as for instance cohabitation cohabitation leads to some of the worst outcomes for

00:51:50.040 women when they're not married and men it leads to terrible outcomes for both this idea that you

00:51:56.040 have that some when you when you say this it's very loaded it gives the impression that husbands

00:52:00.440 are at home abusing their wives and the opposite is actually true the truth is is that when women

00:52:05.960 get divorced and they end up in these occupied relationships that's when they end up with the

00:52:10.200 most amount of abuse not from their husbands well i think it's uh you know how we were talking

00:52:14.040 about earlier about like confounding factors and other things that might uh the classification of

00:52:18.200 things might change the results of studies for this one um i'm looking about it looking at it and it

00:52:22.760 says facts and statistics on you know domestic violence dv and it's mainly um including partner

00:52:28.200 intimate partner so it's it's not talking about husband or boyfriend separate them right so we

00:52:32.360 would separate those two categories to see who's the more abusive do you have a statistic yes i just

00:52:36.600 gave it to you twice from the nis i know but like i i'm looking at it and again like i'm having

00:52:40.760 show me the numbers from the nis that you're looking at i actually don't believe you oh i'm not

00:52:44.360 looking at that i asked right now i was looking at it earlier could not find the number you were

00:52:47.160 talking about yeah but you looked like that does not exist one minute no i didn't you did those i

00:52:51.720 literally pulled it direct from the nis itself when there is a minor in the home and there is abuse

00:52:58.200 they look at both parents and in that case they are finding according to this the domestic violence

00:53:04.920 center data for mankind initiative i'm finding the mankind initiative yeah here the cult the cult the

00:53:12.120 mankind initiative i i have no idea what you're i mean this is like a it's a statistic like it's

00:53:17.960 like um a study that's produced yeah i could go to the university of pennsylvania do that because

00:53:22.040 the mankind initiative as far as i know is a western cult which exists as a demasculating agency just so

00:53:29.000 you know um i okay uh well so it's saying analyzing 31 this is penn today um so this does uh go to your

00:53:38.280 to your point it is just slightly above the spouse rate for abusive boyfriends um but again um and

00:53:46.600 those go reported much more right then or i'm sorry the marriage rates go reported much more than the

00:53:53.240 inter then these rates where you're living outside of the home with another man right so because that's

00:54:00.760 the more common living arrangement therefore i am correct it is true that the most dangerous

00:54:05.080 situations co-occupancy not marriage i mean there's different i think it's difficult you deal a lot

00:54:10.760 in absolutes and as a teacher that's something that we are told not to do to facilitate like open

00:54:15.880 communication is because you typically say well this is true this is true that means i am truth i am

00:54:20.600 correct in saying this thing but again statistics are changing all the time so actually you're

00:54:24.600 contradicting yourself because at the beginning you were like what i'm saying is things change i can negate

00:54:29.080 i can negate these with logic by simply pointing this out i mean you can negate anything when you

00:54:34.200 talk to yourself like you do because you're not really listening to the words that are coming out

00:54:37.320 of my mouth i'm listening do you want me to steel man your position you just said to me that everything

00:54:41.320 everything when it comes to statistics is fluid i would tend to agree with that based on

00:54:45.800 oncoming data which is coming in however we still have to apply logic and inductive reasoning

00:54:51.720 even when we're dealing with data sets especially i didn't say we don't i agree but so those are

00:54:56.600 unchanging unconfounding variables logic and reason so if we're using those two things we can easily

00:55:02.440 point to this and say we know for sure that it's going to be underreported in cohabitation and

00:55:08.600 possibly reported at least better from the marriage standpoint that's probably that's probably true i

00:55:15.160 don't think anybody would really dispute that yeah actually i found a study to your point researchers

00:55:19.320 have consistently found higher rates of violence in cohabitating to marital relationships but in those

00:55:24.040 cases still it is 95 of perpetrators are male so what do you have to say in terms of that yeah

00:55:27.960 okay so here's what happens what feminism has done especially with the destruction of the marriage

00:55:34.360 is it has put women in the most vulnerable position where now they leave their home with

00:55:39.000 their husband whether the abuse rates are not nearly so high as pretentious feminists pretend they are

00:55:44.520 so that they can cohabitate with men with other men who are strangers to them strangers to their

00:55:50.200 children it puts their children at risk and it puts them at actually higher risk than if they had stayed

00:55:54.840 with their husbands in most cases oh okay that makes sense as an explanation but i think that

00:55:59.880 um like again that's an anecdote that's probably not true for everybody um and the the cases are

00:56:05.640 pretty clearly in place like the the evidence has shown that regardless of whether there's children

00:56:10.920 in the marriage 95 of the perpetrators are men and you know we were talking about how it is likely

00:56:16.360 underreported for female perpetrators right in marriages i'm sure there are abusive wives but i

00:56:21.240 think that the point being is that it is very um it is definitely a pattern in terms of in the united

00:56:27.720 states of the home being made unsafe because of uh men that live there it doesn't have to be the

00:56:32.680 husband but it is uh men that are um you know being violent with the women that they are living with

00:56:38.840 and i think your point about how it's it's women that are picking these boyfriends that are abusing them

00:56:43.240 is not uh fair because again you don't know men that are going to be to turn out to be abusive

00:56:48.040 until they hit you one day it doesn't start out with you know if you went on a first date with a

00:56:51.720 woman and she clocked you in the face would you continue to date her no you wouldn't it's the same

00:56:54.920 with women here's what we're gonna do andrew andrew you give your response then we're gonna do prompt

00:56:59.080 change okay okay so i don't okay but yeah that was the end of my i don't even understand this like

00:57:04.440 all of the stats back up exactly what i'm saying you agree with me that what i'm saying is likely the

00:57:09.400 most true case scenario at least compared to all the numbers being more abusive yeah can can i

00:57:15.240 finish right i didn't cut you off so the thing is is like look as we look at this data the data backs

00:57:21.400 up everything that i just said especially when it comes to cohabitation you say well it's not

00:57:25.560 women's responsibility that they're picking these men it's like well women are initiating most of

00:57:29.480 these divorces for one they're leaving their husbands they put themselves in this confounding

00:57:34.680 situation where now they're being abused by strange men often because they want them as sexual

00:57:38.840 partners or other things like this you say well that's the true that the abuse happens inside of

00:57:43.160 these places male whether there's children or not great but when it's a cohabitation event where

00:57:49.160 children are involved you're now putting your children at risk because the it the risk skyrockets

00:57:54.280 for abuse skyrockets for abuse of those children no wonder men don't want to get married to modern women

00:58:01.240 if they're going to get divorced and their women are going to put their children in an abusive situation

00:58:06.840 right and that's what the stats show more than anything not that women are being abused but

00:58:11.080 that when they have authority over children they are putting them in situations where they are

00:58:15.080 abused or abusing them themselves that's what's actually happening we do have to change prompts uh

00:58:20.440 andrew i think uh you wanted to perhaps discuss patriarchy and force doctrine

00:58:25.320 would you like to get into that go ahead yeah you can start yeah so i'll give you my definition of

00:58:29.880 patriarchy first it's a historic definition it means rule of the father i often will short phrase

00:58:37.320 this to from the father usually it operates around something which is patrilineal lineage rather than

00:58:42.840 matrilineal lineage although not always you can have patriarchies where there's matrilineal lineage

00:58:47.240 you can find this in judaism and other places like this when i talk about patriarchy and broadly

00:58:52.200 speaking at least in modernity and in the last hundred years about men being in charge of general

00:58:58.360 systems we could just say men being in charge of general systems head of the household head of

00:59:02.280 the family things like this my view is that patriarchy is always going to end up being the

00:59:07.800 default especially the more feminism there is you'll push more people into the patriarchy role and here's

00:59:12.440 why because of force doctrine force doctrine is a doctrine which i came up with which tries to

00:59:18.360 describe a phenomenon which you yourself are going to have to concede is true that half of the world

00:59:24.280 right now if men decide to they can basically exterminate every single woman inside of their

00:59:30.120 nations and there's not a damn thing women can do about it we can find this in most of the middle

00:59:34.280 eastern nations we can find this basically anywhere that we look right they can't actually do anything

00:59:39.480 about it also when it comes to rights rights are a social construction product of the mind because of

00:59:45.400 that they are not inherent and since this is the case force is what is the practical applicator and if

00:59:52.040 men decided to by force take away women's rights women cannot do anything about it the opposite is not

00:59:58.360 true if women wanted to take away men's rights and men didn't want to let them they could not and

01:00:04.680 because of this force doctrine application women's rights all come from men not inherently from

01:00:10.840 themselves therefore feminism is a lie complete lie that's force doctrine i don't know if you have

01:00:18.280 anything to say about it um well aside from the fact that that is genuinely a terrifying idea

01:00:24.840 i think that the idea that men could just take away our rights and wipe us away is the ness is why

01:00:30.520 feminism is necessary is because um we are trying to get enough men i suppose on our side if you think

01:00:35.080 about it in terms of like a military occupation so that we that wouldn't happen um because i think

01:00:39.480 that it is possible for men to take away our rights at a blanket pace but i don't agree with your

01:00:43.560 conclusion based off that premise though i don't believe that women inherently don't have rights

01:00:48.120 that it's given to us by men and the reason why is because i believe that all human beings

01:00:51.960 inherently should have equality and human dignity which is a although i'm not catholic it's a term that

01:00:57.560 was very much focused on in my catholic high school i went to public school and then it's an axiom

01:01:02.520 about human dignity yeah it's just axiomatic yeah i mean it's still like important though to me

01:01:06.440 because i think that because the societies that we have created have necessitated the the need or have

01:01:13.000 created the need for um laws and for structure and government and so there are many philosophers

01:01:18.280 that have talked about how important it is to have government right but because of the fact that

01:01:23.160 men can take it away does not mean that men get thus give to us right like men are not gods it is it is

01:01:31.240 something that is inherent to each of us that we should have the ability to live and self-govern and

01:01:34.760 have autonomy and i think the fact that men could take it away actually goes to my point about how a lot

01:01:39.960 of them do and a lot of them try to take our autonomy and make us feel unsafe and harm us

01:01:44.120 um which you were previously refuting but actually seems like you agree with me on that that it's a

01:01:48.280 possibility for men to do that no no it's well it's descriptively true i'm not giving an ought i'm

01:01:53.400 giving a descriptive of descriptive reality but because it's a descriptive reality the truth is is that

01:01:58.200 you appealed to patriarchy i have no idea what i i have not said appeal to patriarchy what are you

01:02:03.480 talking about when you said the whole goal is to get more men on our side you're appealing to

01:02:08.120 to the whole goal but is a goal yes i should correct myself and so what you're trying to do

01:02:11.880 is you're trying to appeal to the very demographic which can take away your rights at any time

01:02:16.600 conceding that if you do not have them on your side you cannot maintain your rights that is not

01:02:22.760 ever true of men which is why you'll always end up with a default patriarchy the more especially the

01:02:27.400 more feminist push i don't know if you're looking at the modern world it's not oh it's the modern

01:02:31.000 world because it's not necessarily a default it's always going to be a default but in a lot of tribes

01:02:34.840 they were very matriarchal and like women were at the head of the family there's never been a

01:02:38.120 matriarch in the world that is not true at all give me one okay i will look it up it's gonna be

01:02:41.880 an indian tribe and i'll refute it watch indigenous people largely it's gonna be an indian tribe and i'm

01:02:46.840 gonna refute it i think you should just use the term i think you should just use the term indian i

01:02:50.840 don't see any problem with it at all oh i think they do i don't think so indians themselves call

01:02:55.240 themselves indians often indigenous people in the united states do not call themselves indians yes they do

01:03:00.760 just like black people call themselves black people not african-american what are you talking

01:03:04.200 about um do you think that all black people call themselves african-american this is a moot point

01:03:09.640 so i'm not going to even go into this well you're the one who wanted to tell police to say that i had

01:03:13.160 to say native american instead of indian um so basically i'm pulling up the matriarchs for you um

01:03:19.720 and there are obviously a number of societies that have thrived and there's a whole document but in china

01:03:26.760 um in costa rica the bri bri people yeah name one any of them that you think is a matriarchy okay um

01:03:34.200 a matriarchal society they have a society with an estimated 12 000 to 35 000 members that is a

01:03:38.600 matriarchy and that is b-r-i b-r-i bri bri in costa rica or you could look at the um there's a kenyan

01:03:45.560 tribe that's u-m-o-j-a um that are all matriarchies they have women at the helm that are leading their

01:03:52.120 why the bri bri tribe societies often describes matrilineal it's not actually a matriarchy women

01:03:58.040 are the heads of households responsible for passing down culture and land but the men have

01:04:02.520 the most important role as the the authority officers of the tribe they are the ones who

01:04:07.720 defend and they have chiefs too male chief that's not a matriarchy well this i found a different

01:04:13.000 article we could just go back and forth all day yeah let's look at it um so the bri bri so this is

01:04:17.800 the intercontinental cry bri bri i don't know if you speak spanish but bri bri un matriarcado moderno

01:04:23.400 so i speak a little bit not like i'm not like fully fluent but anyways and they're talking about

01:04:27.240 how um the clan structure means that tribal lineage is passed down through the mother yeah matrilineally

01:04:32.840 yes and also in the home i know the difference but if something is matrilineal doesn't make it

01:04:37.000 a matriarchy i know but they're saying that women in this article play a primary role in in government

01:04:41.880 as well and yeah but not but see what you did there you did a smuggle they play a primary

01:04:47.560 role in government that doesn't make it a matriarchy but it's all do you know what a

01:04:51.480 matriarchy is though yeah it's a yeah it would be women broadly in charge of all of the system of

01:04:55.480 social structure where they hold a lot of power they hold the majority power and that's when the

01:05:01.160 decisions of the men are at their behest in any that's what the article just said of the bri bri

01:05:06.040 tribe is no i don't know i don't know again i just found a different article so like i don't know if

01:05:09.720 i should speak to like what's going on any matriarchy that i've ever investigated which is

01:05:13.720 supposedly a matriarchy we find very quickly that men are in the prominent positions of authority on

01:05:18.440 force which means that any matriarchy is living at the behest of the men that's it so is your point

01:05:24.600 that men are better than because they have brute force or like what's your point that men should

01:05:27.560 be in charge governmentally my point is not i'm not giving an ought we have to agree first to a

01:05:32.200 descriptor the descriptive truth right is that it is in fact the case that women have to appeal to men

01:05:38.920 for all of their rights period by your own admission that's why you're trying to get them

01:05:42.680 on your side because if you don't have them they can basically cage women up if they wanted to and

01:05:47.720 there's nothing right but that doesn't mean that men are therefore better or should be in charge like

01:05:52.600 i'm confused like what's the actual point like the conclusion that you're making the point here is

01:05:55.960 that men being in charge is obviously and clearly they're very benevolent because at any time they so

01:06:01.080 choose they can lock all women up there's nothing they can do about it and the reverse is not true

01:06:06.200 which is so interesting you're literally at the mercy women are at the mercy globally and always

01:06:10.440 have been of men and yet we're monsterized and demonized by feminists that's what we're we're

01:06:17.080 literally considered demons by feminists you did it by your own admission today with your own stats

01:06:21.880 trying to make us out to be sexually assaulting monsters didn't even know the counter stats didn't

01:06:25.560 say that never yeah that's what it appears to be though from the onlookers perspective i feel like

01:06:31.080 you have these generically talking points that you try to apply to feminists but i haven't like

01:06:34.200 really been very reactive or calling you names i've tried not to i have but you have acted exactly

01:06:38.520 like a feminist today madam okay but um nobody's gonna be confused about that at all all right a

01:06:44.120 whole of the whole snobbery towards the whole snobbery towards authority you're gonna do what i

01:06:48.520 want the finger clap thing you did the whole feminist trope the entire thing okay but what i

01:06:53.480 would like is a refutation here can i speak now can you agree i feel like it's my time you agree that

01:06:58.120 it is the case that women have to appeal to men for their rights and not the other way around i

01:07:04.040 will not ever agree to the fact that we should appeal to men for our rights i think that's an

01:07:07.720 inherently misogynistic question have to have to no okay well then where do rights come from

01:07:14.920 they should be inherent to every person but again i think i should be able to like

01:07:18.440 need this okay so give me a second because again like you've just been a little bit insulting the last

01:07:24.280 few minutes so i feel like when that happens it's just like a good change of pace is important um

01:07:27.880 but well i i do need to keep it on the topic at hand but which again where were we can you repeat

01:07:32.920 the question right i asked you where rights come from where rights come from if you can address that

01:07:38.040 okay but then i get to speak more yeah you can but it's on forced doctrine and right go ahead okay

01:07:43.400 um well i think the fact that we're debating a topic that you came up with is a little bit strange

01:07:47.720 personally but um i was going to say that i think that rights are inherent um i think that they should be

01:07:53.320 related to all people just like the fact that we are human beings we shouldn't have to appeal to any

01:07:57.400 person for authority and again the fact that men are stronger bigger more powerful doesn't mean that

01:08:02.280 they give or take away people's rights i'm not religious necessarily but i think if i if i was

01:08:07.240 i would probably tell you that i think god is the person that you know relates and who is who gives

01:08:12.360 people their human dignity and rights but i think it's inherent i think that we should all have the right

01:08:17.240 to live and be free of violence and i think that those who offend and try to put people in cages

01:08:21.880 those are the people that should be um jailed like i don't think that that's a a blanket statement

01:08:26.520 yeah yeah so i would just okay you keep on saying rights should be inherent that doesn't tell me

01:08:33.480 anything about where rights come from where do rights come from where do we ascribe right well i

01:08:39.160 think that you're thinking very like united states like government centric anywhere you can pick

01:08:44.600 anywhere on planet i don't care where you pick okay where are rights coming from they are coming from

01:08:49.080 the set of people that are in charge the government and to your point that's the patriarchy however i

01:08:54.840 agree so i i concede to that point however i'm saying that that is not that does not mean that

01:09:00.680 men since they create the ability to give people um like rights and take it away that doesn't mean

01:09:07.080 that men it should be that way it shouldn't it like i don't know if that makes so men have been

01:09:11.480 guaranteeing your rights the entire time you've been alive no that's definitely not true well i don't

01:09:16.760 understand i thought that you just also like rights come from the government the government

01:09:20.200 is the patriarchy the patriarchy then is giving you rights right right but like the government

01:09:24.280 isn't inherently like the government is influenced by patriarchy but it's not like all men making

01:09:29.320 decisions like in the past it was would you say it's mostly in charge by men yeah but again like i

01:09:34.760 think that your um your points that you're making are very uh misogynistic like i think the point of

01:09:40.920 what you're saying looks listen it's like we should be grateful i think the points you're making are

01:09:44.600 very misandrist i mean that it doesn't tell us i don't hate men so that's not a very good i don't

01:09:48.840 hate women okay but your question inherently is rooted in the fact that you think that there is

01:09:53.400 male superiority and men are in charge descriptively men are stronger than women yeah descriptively yes

01:10:00.920 there's you're not going to argue that point right on average i suppose yeah yeah on average well i mean

01:10:05.400 it's a strong average though sure yeah like i mean you know teenage soccer teams are beating you

01:10:11.320 you know female pro player teams right sure you agree that that's the case okay great so if that's

01:10:15.880 the case and we can agree and you agree that the governments of the world are patriarchal then you

01:10:21.960 have to concede that the patriarchy is giving you your rights right now i again i will never concede

01:10:28.360 that and the reason why is because i think that that is rooted in the idea that women should be

01:10:32.440 grateful like you're telling me that i should essentially be grateful to you for the fact that i'm

01:10:35.320 not in a cage right now and that someone's not assaulting me as we speak like that does not

01:10:38.680 mean no how about just your right to free speech and the fact that it's enforced by men the

01:10:43.000 patriarchy is the ones giving you that by your own admission listen so my theory is the way it

01:10:47.160 should be this is what i think this is the way that it was before we had you know colonization and

01:10:51.080 all the imperialism and stuff there's a blanket statement right or there's a blanket right to

01:10:55.320 life to um autonomy to all these things right that are just given to you by the nature of being

01:10:59.720 human and there are certain entities and people and oppressive regimes that then come in and they

01:11:04.760 try to take those things away from you now because warring tribe theory well because they they give

01:11:09.240 you those things or because the government gives you the right to exist now right doesn't mean it's

01:11:14.360 a benevolent uh patriot like doesn't mean the patriarchy is benevolent because it is currently

01:11:19.320 giving me these rights and i'm not like sitting and trapped in my house like i am in a different

01:11:23.480 country what would make it malevolent yeah um i think in places like um i'm talking about here in

01:11:31.160 the united states which is a patriarchy by your own admission giving you rights what would make

01:11:34.680 it malevolent um i think that there are a lot of current things that are malevolent um like in

01:11:39.400 legislation and things like that that are you know like right attacks on bodily autonomy and like the

01:11:43.880 overturning like the dobbs decision or the but you would consider your first amendment a benevolent

01:11:48.440 right your third amendment right your bill your fifth amendment i think these things are all

01:11:52.200 inherent generally like i don't understand like just because it's written in by the government

01:11:55.240 doesn't mean that it should inherently be it's can't be benevolent that's a contradiction you can't

01:11:59.560 say it's inherent and the government gives them to us no the government that's a contradiction the

01:12:03.400 government does but it doesn't mean anything like we should already have these things like just like

01:12:08.200 if i how do you have them how do you have a human being you should just be able to walk around and be

01:12:14.680 free and how do you have that without force how i mean how is it even possible i think you're looking

01:12:21.080 at it through a lens of like imperialism and i don't think that like force was always necessary

01:12:24.440 it hasn't always been necessary to say i'm looking at it through a lens of i literally told you my

01:12:29.080 lens of force doctrine explained it descriptively has nothing to do with imperialism has to do with

01:12:33.880 this you're walking around and there's no government though if you're walking around there's no

01:12:37.640 government where do your rights come from then okay this is just like such a silly please answer

01:12:43.000 the question okay so if i if there's no government and i'm walking around my right to uh find a

01:12:55.880 can someone come around my right to someone come around and kill you yes but in that case there have

01:13:00.600 historically always been placed ways of punishing people who take those away so the people who take

01:13:05.240 them away are offenders a government go ahead hold on then okay the people who take those things away

01:13:12.920 from you if they don't decide to take it away it doesn't mean that they're good right so like a really

01:13:19.640 horrible example that for a lot of women is true is if i am a woman and i have not had intercourse

01:13:26.840 with anybody and a man is my friend and he decides that he's not going to take my virginity from me

01:13:33.640 does that mean he is a good person inherently by not assaulting me no it doesn't because that should

01:13:38.440 be the standard right and so if someone comes in and they take it away and then they they tell me that

01:13:43.000 they can or they can't in the future right that's essentially to me what you're saying is just

01:13:47.720 because the government is is giving me the right to walk around and have this conversation with you

01:13:51.640 today means that i should be thankful and i should you know not be concerned with things and that you

01:13:57.240 guys are actually benevolent the patriarchy is benevolent because i'm not in a cage because

01:14:00.440 i'm not being assaulted yeah that's not what's being said so that anyway can you answer my question

01:14:04.040 though where if there's no government where do your rights come from um i think we've already been

01:14:10.600 over this i think you've asked me quite a few times listen what you did i mean i've already told

01:14:14.440 you human dignity so well human human dignity you can't you can't account for dignity in a

01:14:19.400 secular world view what is dignity it's just whatever you think dignity is so tell me this real

01:14:23.880 quick you have rights they're inherent talking about legal moral or human let's let's omit legal

01:14:30.040 right because i i'm talking about in a hypothetical society okay moral and human rights yeah and for me

01:14:36.520 it's rooted in the philosophical natural law natural law is catholic you don't believe in

01:14:41.640 catholicism you would have to have god to back up natural law okay but that is what i develop my

01:14:46.760 beliefs around because i used to believe no that's it if you don't appeal to god for your natural rights

01:14:51.560 you're making a naturalist fallacy okay that's a fallacious argument how do you know that i don't

01:14:55.880 believe because you told me okay well i just again i think this is like a really ridiculous why is it

01:15:01.240 ridiculous so where do you get your rights from if they're not from god um okay so again i still

01:15:08.280 subscribe to the human rights theory which is uh the universal declaration of human rights if you're

01:15:13.640 if we're not going to go talk about god or naturalism right which is that every human being has a universal

01:15:18.200 inalienable rights that are fundamental to each person and so this is what you know the un subscribes

01:15:23.960 to and stuff like that regardless of whether there is a government in place or not so is that sufficient

01:15:28.280 to you no that's an axiom that's so all you're just saying is i think we have inherent rights

01:15:33.320 because i think we have inherent rights i think we have inherent rights because we are human beings

01:15:37.160 who deserve to be treated with compassion love and respect and i don't think you think that so

01:15:40.680 yeah but that's pretty well but the question comes in here let's say that a group of people doesn't

01:15:45.240 believe in these inherent human rights right they don't believe in them i mean there are definitely

01:15:49.800 groups that have yeah they just don't believe in these inherent for certain people yeah they just don't

01:15:53.400 so what is it that protects those inherent rights for you well you're right there is a typically like

01:16:00.760 a system in place of force it's not force per se all force right but like anything that's like

01:16:08.280 there's a way to like isolate those people um with what force i mean not necessarily what else

01:16:16.280 could you isolate them with if they don't want to be isolated well not not every arrest is made

01:16:19.880 through force right like they might yeah well actually it all all arrests are made through the

01:16:23.880 implicit implicit threat of force either you come with me or else right sure so that would be forced

01:16:31.000 right you would agree with that the implicit yeah i mean just this inherent topic to me is very

01:16:36.280 just like violent and seems like a moot point like um but i mean i'm kind of i i feel like we've

01:16:40.840 talked this through no i haven't talked it through yet you can continue i mean i don't really

01:16:43.880 have much else to say i know but i've already like it's a critique of your worldview so that we can

01:16:47.960 understand who you're appealing to for these so-called rights you believe everybody has

01:16:51.800 in this case it sounds like you're banking on force for men to protect your rights how are you not how

01:16:58.120 are you not banking on the force of men to protect your rights if you say they're inherent but all

01:17:01.880 these inherent rights require force well also men is a generalization i mean again there are a lot of

01:17:06.760 people who are currently working to enforce the system of government that we have it's not just men

01:17:11.160 but they all rely on male force don't they i just told you that wasn't true i mean okay can you

01:17:16.920 you tell me how that's not true like what what agency of government doesn't rely on male force

01:17:21.560 no no my point is it's not all exclusively men there are men and women and everyone else as well that

01:17:27.560 work to protect people here like yeah like in the army it's not like if you're using force right the

01:17:32.760 army isn't just male troops so like you're saying male yeah there's there's there's women who aren't

01:17:36.760 allowed in combat for the most part almost ever unless it's by accident who are in the military as

01:17:41.480 paymasters and things like this but they're not the executors of force there's not female armies

01:17:45.720 being fielded to protect again like i just i'm not super interested in this line of questioning

01:17:50.120 because it just seems like you're interested in it i want to know the world i think you care because

01:17:56.840 like it's your podcast and like i'm kind of okay well you know what in your next argument i'll just

01:18:00.920 say well i'm just not very interested okay like then i'll just talk about my point what does that do

01:18:05.640 well you're not really letting me talk or like you know i'm just asking you basic questions you refuse to

01:18:09.640 answer them that's it i just wish you would actually answer the questions and then we could get

01:18:14.680 somewhere but you just refuse to i'm like okay so what does that mean you're like well i just

01:18:18.600 explained it when he didn't actually explain anything and then we get to the root of it so

01:18:23.000 what you keep doing is appealing to patriarchy for your rights by saying i would never say i appeal to

01:18:27.160 patriarchy for my rights you say hey i want to i want to appeal to men because we need men in order

01:18:32.520 to protect us from the patriarchy which means you're appealing to men for your rights i just like

01:18:37.960 it seems like it's a big circle so i'm just trying to decipher it out that's it

01:18:41.320 that's it okay i'm not not gonna not gonna engage anymore all right i i already told you i just don't

01:18:47.880 have anything else to say on this so i i feel like we've had a good conversation i mean i've

01:18:51.400 enjoyed hearing what you have to say but i just don't have yeah well i mean i would have enjoyed

01:18:54.680 you know like actually critiquing the view but since you don't make the view you already have for

01:18:57.880 like the last like 15 minutes you know you've just been very evasive and you've been very unwilling

01:19:02.280 to actually answer questions even when you've contradicted yourself you want to acknowledge it so

01:19:05.640 okay well we can take a little uh there's more there's more prompts but we'll uh take some

01:19:11.560 audience questions there's some super chats that we can get to so we have uh let's see we have just

01:19:19.480 gerald here with the hundred dollar super uh stream labs thank you when women say i wish i would have

01:19:27.080 gone to school or focused on a career instead i hear my children are preventing me from freedom

01:19:33.080 if only these kids weren't alive i could be happy all right just gerald thank you for that

01:19:40.120 appreciate it all right and if you guys are enjoying the stream be sure to like the video please

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01:20:00.600 soup chats here we have cole marshall why would anyone this is from earlier this came in i saw

01:20:05.320 this that's funny why would anyone care if you leave who are you you're supposed to be

01:20:08.840 defending your world for you w andrew from cole thank you cole for the soup chat do you want to

01:20:13.160 respond to this or oh sure yeah um yeah my name is kylie brewer i'm sort of like an up and coming like

01:20:18.600 activist type person um i i feel like i have my goal here was to educate um just about feminism

01:20:25.080 generally so um i'm sorry if that hasn't like held up to your standards um but yeah i if i do leave i

01:20:31.400 think the debate would end so i think that might be why people would care but anyways thank you for

01:20:35.640 your comment we have chaotic fuzz why are you letting her hold the debate hostage she's being a child

01:20:41.160 saying if i don't get my way i'll leave it's disrespectful to the platform and listeners um i think uh

01:20:48.760 it's disrespectful to be talked down to the way i am um so that is why it's not just about like

01:20:54.920 leaving and holding the platform hostage it is rather a fact of protecting my um integrity and i

01:21:00.680 will never let myself be in a place where i feel unsafe or um like i'm being belittled so if that does

01:21:06.680 happen and continues to happen i will leave and it's not a reflection of you know the platform or

01:21:11.480 anything it's just like for me um as well okay we have lucas here ma'am kindly address your

01:21:17.720 emotional dysregulation it's unimpressive but more importantly a telltale sign of an intellectual

01:21:23.360 mediocrity flailing away wow a lot of big big words here lucas uh in the undertow of cognitive

01:21:30.320 dissonance fallacious logic and ultimately a fully metastasized mind virus do you want do you want to

01:21:38.100 respond to that from lucas sure um lucas it sounds like you pulled out your thesaurus for this so

01:21:42.480 congratulations on that but i would like to say i have my q is relatively pretty high i'm not going to

01:21:47.460 like talk about where i went to an ivy league but that doesn't matter if you disagree with me you're

01:21:51.080 going to hate what i have to say regardless of whether i'm intelligent or non-intelligent so

01:21:54.240 but thank you for watching regardless thank you lucas for the message little miss feminist isn't

01:21:58.460 interested in debating only educating bad faith debate you want to respond to that thank you uh

01:22:03.200 rezil for the soup chat um for me like a debate is about exchange of knowledge so if it doesn't become

01:22:08.400 that it feels more like um an ad hominem attack on me i just will not talk well what it what a

01:22:14.300 debate is to me is the refutation of ideas uh or it can be the sharing of knowledge also the

01:22:19.520 refutation of ideas we're here to debate feminism the idea of debating feminism that i'll even grant

01:22:25.220 one point that my opponent got which was me dunking on me right was that i confused the mankind

01:22:30.560 initiative with the mankind project right so that's one thing one thing i even did right i dunked on

01:22:37.400 myself right by misspeaking on on one of these things so there's a concession but here's what i won't do

01:22:43.120 what i won't do is let you cross your arms and throw a fit and refuse to engage when you go

01:22:48.820 no i'm just not going to engage anymore it's like well then we're not having a debate anymore

01:22:53.500 so i'd like to get back to the actual debate and i'd like to i mean i really like don't have as

01:22:59.080 much of a stake in this as you do so like i don't have any if we end right now i'm more than happy

01:23:03.380 like i'm so serious i would go and like lay out in the sun enjoy the farmer's market i'm here just

01:23:08.220 so so why did you come to a debate if you're unprepared to debate oh because no i'm not

01:23:12.380 unprepared i thought we were gonna have more of an exchange and this feels more like again like an

01:23:15.160 attack so that's why i'm not having very much fun i mean look i don't think that's a fair

01:23:18.800 characterization of the exchange you guys had there was a slightly open to interpretation there was a

01:23:25.060 slightly heated moment exchange from both of you at the beginning of the show i think it's okay we're

01:23:30.900 going to continue on with the conversation allow me to let uh we have about three chats coming through

01:23:35.880 and then we'll get back to the debate rachel wilson says this is by the way this is uh andrew's uh

01:23:41.760 wife here oh uh nobody's talking down to you princess oh she wants to do colin uh do you want

01:23:46.940 to talk to to andrew's wife i don't know but okay uh andrew is just beating your arguments easily and

01:23:52.980 you feel embarrassed so you're pretending he's insulting you okay thank you rachel for that

01:23:56.040 appreciate it donner page 199 section 6.3 of the nis4 shows all the stats andrew pointed out about

01:24:03.980 female perpetrators anyone in chat can look it up all right thank you for that

01:24:09.580 even though she said she looked it up in two seconds even though there's no possible way

01:24:14.080 uh somebody says unmute okay thank you andrew i'm not sure what's going on with that but

01:24:19.860 we have two chat two chats coming here and then we'll come back to the

01:24:24.040 debate so we have one sec we have gloctavius thank you gloctavius gloctavius donated one hundred

01:24:32.060 dollars kylie you said you have a high iq what's your iq um i haven't taken an iq

01:24:39.420 test in a while but when i was a child they had me evaluated for having a high iq because i was

01:24:43.260 like talking really young and all these things but the last time i took a test i think it was

01:24:46.700 like around 150 but i don't know currently it was a while ago 150 yeah that's genius level and i know

01:24:53.280 you're gonna say i'm not so it's like funny but i know it's you probably think it's around i didn't

01:24:56.740 say anything i just said that that's considered genius level thank you he was about to congratulate

01:25:00.780 you oh sorry i'm on the defense a little bit but thank you i appreciate it andrew i appreciate it

01:25:06.100 poor me i just have an average iq okay literally average iq and you know what look here here's a

01:25:11.960 little you know the lot of the soup chats been a little mean yolo swaggins says you're hot thank

01:25:17.900 you so if it's any uh you know if it's any you know thank you yolo swaggins for that that does

01:25:23.740 actually make me feel nice thank you yolo swaggins and then chat here then we'll get back to the debate

01:25:28.780 six-pack chad donated one thank you six-pack chad i didn't go to school for four years to be talked

01:25:34.760 to like this the girl boss can't handle the big meanie andrew you are the most insufferable broad

01:25:40.880 i've ever seen on this show including the hookers we have had a couple hookers yeah um i've actually

01:25:47.860 had that uh said to me quite a few times so i'm sorry you feel that way but i'm glad you like andrew

01:25:54.100 and like you guys have that sort of connection i think it's important to have people that you look up to

01:25:58.180 and content and uh so getting back to the debate at hand andrew did you want to continue on with

01:26:02.700 the forced doctrine i do i but like i need you to actually engage with my inquiry the the reason i'm

01:26:09.140 giving you maybe oh i thought we were going to switch topics oh we're staying on this one so

01:26:12.360 well i think he wanted to just yeah we weren't done with it okay okay yeah so the reason i want you to

01:26:17.260 engage with it is because it's a falsifier for your worldview okay and if you refuse to engage it looks

01:26:23.860 like you're just refusing to allow the falsifier for your worldview so can we get if we can get

01:26:28.020 back to it i'd like to my question starts with inherent rights you claim that they're inherent

01:26:33.760 and i'm asking you if the government's not giving them to you and god's not giving them to you where

01:26:39.640 are they coming from that's a good question so if we just existed there was no government and i was

01:26:45.340 an atheist i would in theory have the ability the right to walk around freely to make myself food to

01:26:52.320 do all these things without the fear of uh violence but if violence did happen um then we

01:26:58.620 would have to create how would you in theory because i believe that communities just walk

01:27:02.900 around without any threat of violence because there were plenty of communities that have done that

01:27:06.320 does a rabbit have the ability to walk around without any threat of violence inherently no but

01:27:11.400 i'm not a rabbit yeah i know but the thing is is like why not why doesn't the rabbit have that

01:27:15.840 because there are predators so what would our predator be are you saying men are the predators

01:27:19.080 well or women or but if men are the predators that goes against everything we talked about

01:27:22.640 or women or women did you hear that part or women like women can assault you doesn't require a man

01:27:29.240 doesn't require a penis for somebody to assault you so the thing is is like if it is the case then

01:27:33.900 that the rabbit has no inherent rights because there's predators or people who would be predatory

01:27:40.420 or even if we said that there would be some men who would be predatory even

01:27:43.840 how do you have this right to walk around unmolested and the rabbit does not

01:27:49.120 um so you are wanting me to say that we have force we have to enforce it right which we do i'm just

01:27:57.660 asking but i don't think we have to enforce it through like physical force i think we can enforce

01:28:01.620 it through like words and like being able to like speak to each other and then like the rabbit screams

01:28:05.940 and the coyote doesn't care so if it's the case that people don't care about whatever the wolves don't

01:28:11.540 care about what the rabbit says right they don't care about the rabbit screams does the rabbit have

01:28:15.960 rights um if the wolf doesn't care if the rabbit screams does the rabbit have rights yeah is an

01:28:24.880 interesting question i suppose the rabbit has the right to not get eaten by the wolf but like again

01:28:30.500 i i mean i think most people would agree that there is a fundamental distinction between humans and

01:28:35.360 animal societies so i don't understand how it's relevant to my point in this case the equation would

01:28:40.760 just be a rabbit is a biological walking being right and so is a wolf the rabbit does not have

01:28:47.780 the right not to get eaten by the wolf what gives you any inherent right to not be in any way

01:28:52.740 assaulted molested undignified or whatever if if it is the case that people want to do this to you

01:28:59.860 what is the inherent right there right i could i could ask you the same thing yeah but why don't

01:29:04.520 you answer the question then ask yours no no i'm saying like like i could ask sorry like

01:29:09.460 figuratively i could ask you the same thing in terms of like what would give you the right to

01:29:13.900 walk around and to like be respected and have your wife rachel like you know like talk to you and

01:29:18.640 force but i don't i don't think it has to be i think historically a lot of it has been force but i

01:29:23.720 don't think it has to be i think there exists an egalitarian society where we can all collectively

01:29:29.360 have the ability and you know we they used to just i don't even disagree with this right but

01:29:33.660 can you can this happen but they used to just um like sort of expel people out of the community and

01:29:39.180 they wouldn't be able to survive without the community like they would die and so that's not

01:29:43.700 necessarily in my opinion force yeah it's forced they can't go back to the community so people are

01:29:48.980 forcing them out right but it's not like a physical force it's physical force it's backed up by physical

01:29:53.200 force why can't you go back into the community what happens well there's also the emotional component

01:29:57.060 of like ignoring the person not giving them food it's not that's not what people did they didn't

01:30:00.760 ignore them they said if you come back here there's going to be consequences right otherwise

01:30:05.000 that's not really a banishment i mean what would stop them from just walking in and being like you

01:30:08.400 can ignore me but i'm going to take your food whatever i need to survive sure um but the point

01:30:13.400 being for me i believe that because those types of societies are possible to exist right without the

01:30:22.360 physical threat of force and having to put people in cages and kill people to preserve the social

01:30:26.960 order then therefore i think that we should not have to um have a patriarchy or a matriarchy i think

01:30:34.940 we should just be able to exist in the right because the rights come within us i i agree that you can

01:30:40.040 have all sorts of different arrangements for how a society is because of those things then yeah but

01:30:45.520 that doesn't give us the answer here for why it is that the rabbit doesn't have the right to not get

01:30:50.920 eaten by the wolf but you have the right to not get assaulted by another human being what gives you

01:30:54.760 that right i mean i don't think i'm gonna at any point give you the answer that you're looking for

01:30:58.600 i'm just looking for the answer what you said is because future societies can look different that

01:31:02.900 doesn't tell me anything that's really not like what i was saying i was also drawing from the past

01:31:07.000 but um i i mean personally i think that sorry the problem here is that we have seen um

01:31:16.140 we've seen the patriarchy as something that should be either seen as malevolent or benevolent and i

01:31:24.400 don't think that it should be classified as something that we need generally speaking i think

01:31:30.760 there are systems of organization where we don't have to rely upon men can i try this because that

01:31:36.660 seems to be what you're trying let me try a different way can you repeat my question to me

01:31:41.580 so i know that you understand what my question is no no i would just i mean again you repeat my

01:31:47.060 question to me so i know you understand what it is please real close why because you won't answer

01:31:53.680 this question i am answering in a way that you don't find satisfactory i'll say what do you want

01:31:57.840 to eat tonight and you go margarine hat it's like it doesn't tell me nothing but you're asking me

01:32:02.020 the question repetitively because you won't answer it no no i won't answer it in the way that

01:32:06.040 you know you just won't answer it period listen do you think do you think it's a fair answer for

01:32:09.660 you to say how tall are you and i say 83 is that an answer well i don't i don't need an answer

01:32:15.440 from like i'm not demanding i'm not someone who you're looking at me like i have to answer you

01:32:19.380 like just because i'm here doesn't mean i have to do what are you doing in a debate if you

01:32:22.300 won't answer questions about your worldview i mean there's a lot of reasons to be here

01:32:25.300 right like like answering questions about your worldview your brand do you think you're promoting

01:32:30.100 your brand well when you won't answer questions about your worldview i mean that's objective and

01:32:33.660 i have been answering questions you haven't you what you've done is every single time i ask you

01:32:37.700 this question right you appeal to something that doesn't answer it you say well there could be

01:32:42.140 future according to you okay i'll tell you what i've given you the answers i'll tell you what let's

01:32:46.260 try this that's why you're trying to force me into a corner that i just i don't know let's try this

01:32:49.360 let's try this instead right because when people people do this all the time they say i am answering

01:32:53.660 the question when they're not answering any question at all can we just try this can can you

01:32:58.860 just give me a like real quick summary where do rights come from okay so i think that and i'm you're

01:33:07.520 going to say but you don't believe in god so but i'm going to give you because this seems to be the

01:33:10.680 only naturalist or the only explanation you will accept for from me is the naturalist explanation i think

01:33:14.760 that they are inherent and let's say human beings are god right like some people believe that each

01:33:18.440 person has an essence that belongs to god so let's say that so therefore it's inherent it comes from

01:33:23.400 god we are god i believe that each person is made up of a collective that could be considered like a

01:33:29.620 human spirit so yes so but you don't believe in god but a human spirit to me is god so i think that

01:33:35.420 each person has the ability to self-govern and those rights are given to us by ourselves because

01:33:40.860 whether we're god or not the rights come from us okay yes so and that's coming from the humanist

01:33:46.360 perspective um rights come from you the individual that makes okay that's at least an answer so rights

01:33:52.440 come from individuals so how do individuals then if they grant themselves these rights keep them

01:33:58.840 um by communication and compassion i'm an optimist so ideally we don't have to use force and somebody

01:34:07.640 does not uh want to agree with you and says i don't care what you say what what what happens then

01:34:13.500 so okay i will i will concede your point that to preserve the order to preserve rights sure you would

01:34:22.980 have to appeal to force then there are occasional needs for force sure okay well let me make this

01:34:30.580 because i know that's what you're trying to let me make this even wider let me make this even wider

01:34:33.780 i don't believe that you can name any any uh type of governmental system or any type of anything in

01:34:41.600 which force is not going to be the backer for what the establishment is period i don't even think

01:34:46.940 it's possible like how could it even be possible okay you're not always appealing to force let's say

01:34:51.020 i concede then what's your point like relating back to my point is you're always you're yeah you're

01:34:56.520 always going to be appealing to men for your right why do men have to be the enforcers like let's say

01:35:00.400 your force like force doctrine yes women can't overpower men only men can but weapons exist so

01:35:05.680 like what if women is better with weapons and who who makes weapons okay but what if like women

01:35:10.300 somehow took over all the weapons and going into this hypothetical right women take over all the

01:35:15.060 weapons we teach each other how to use it and men can't do anything in theory could then a matriarchy

01:35:19.540 exists so i could say that it would i'm genuinely curious yeah so i could say it's logically possible

01:35:25.360 but just so you know when i say logically possible superman's logically possible wolverine's

01:35:30.380 logically possible all the x-men are logically possible though i could say that this is logically

01:35:35.300 possible that women could seize all the means of production all weapons and enslavement logically

01:35:39.940 there's no contradiction the descriptor for reality though is that i would say descriptively in reality

01:35:45.220 it's impossible that women could never overpower men collectively take over any means of production

01:35:52.660 nor begin to produce weapons ever and have any great effect if men didn't want them to

01:35:57.420 it's not even possible i don't i don't see how it's possible so your conclusion though is based

01:36:01.960 off of this scenario that you are saying isn't possible but you're saying it's it's logical so

01:36:07.200 i mean i disagree i think it is possible though like but try to understand the difference between

01:36:11.340 logical possibility which just means no contradiction yes so almost anything's logically possible yeah right

01:36:17.200 um it just seems like like there's a world in which you're a man and a misogynistic man sure that's

01:36:24.040 logically possible right yeah so like so that doesn't tell us much right but but i'm saying like

01:36:30.120 your force doctrine though like you're saying okay so let's say i agree with the fact that force is

01:36:35.720 necessary to keep a necessary precondition right so let's say i agree yeah but then your conclusion

01:36:40.600 that you're drawing is that therefore male so because of this then men are the enforcers right because

01:36:46.080 they're physically bigger therefore then men give us our rights yeah we all know i would give it i'll give

01:36:50.600 a tea in this premise for me it would work like this yes women cannot collectively overpower men

01:36:56.220 men can always collectively overpower women because the sexes need each other literally need each other

01:37:03.140 cannot be disassociated otherwise there's no humanity um it there'll always be a banking of an

01:37:09.660 enforcement arm which protects women and men and children and that will always have to go to men

01:37:15.020 because men are the physically dominant sex so if that's the case it will always be the case you have

01:37:20.100 to appeal to men for the very rights in which you you think you have right um yeah so i mean i think

01:37:28.700 that what follows what based off of what you're saying makes sense but i i'm still going to always

01:37:33.500 disagree with the fact that women like your like your initial statement that women cannot uh overpower

01:37:39.980 men with weapons i just i think that that would be can you name a time it's ever happened in history

01:37:44.740 no it doesn't mean it can't just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't wolverine can't

01:37:48.500 wolverine can happen right superman can happen with this forever right but not really because

01:37:53.060 if we're talking about descriptive reality do you honestly believe that you're only disagreeing with

01:37:59.040 this because you just don't want to agree right because you said i agree that what you're saying

01:38:02.320 it makes i just fundamentally don't think this is like a very uh that's because it repeats your entire

01:38:06.900 worldview because you'd have to say that you have to appeal to men for your rights pages here of

01:38:11.980 like yeah but this is the most important point like i don't understand this kicks the pillar of

01:38:15.640 your worldview out do you believe that you need to appeal to men for you to be safe or not

01:38:20.940 do i need to appeal to men to be safe or not yeah currently in the patriarchal society yes do we

01:38:27.580 should we have to do can is it possible for us to not have to yes but currently do we yes and do

01:38:33.440 men protect you not always yeah but mostly unfortunately no not even mostly the ones who are

01:38:39.960 aren't they yes mostly i'm sorry are most women dying are most women dying from violence no so

01:38:46.280 they're mostly being protected it depends on what you mean by like protect though from harm like

01:38:49.900 there's just like you live like you live in a nation in which you're granted massive amounts of

01:38:56.200 rights you're protected while you sleep you can dial 9-1-1 have officers there almost immediately in

01:39:01.380 most places but you're attributing all that to men they're the enforcement arm of all of those

01:39:05.260 collectives yes okay so like police officers you would agree vast majority male right

01:39:10.340 yeah and that women tend to to underperform in almost every standard because we lower standards

01:39:16.860 for police officers so that women can be them even though they don't actually perform very well

01:39:21.480 against their male compatriots do they sure so if that's the case then you're still appealing to

01:39:25.520 men aren't you sure okay i just i don't really yeah i know i know you don't just concede just to

01:39:30.480 concede i mean fundamentally i don't think this is very interesting it's kind of funny right i mean

01:39:33.820 there's a reason this isn't taught in philosophy it's like a man's verbally assaulting you just

01:39:36.780 rolling over and taking it because you got nothing i'm not taking it i'm here roll it over i would

01:39:40.060 actually prefer to leave you just do it dead fish on me right you like uh like a bear is attacking

01:39:45.240 you went dead fish because you just can't refute the arguments it's not about that it's just about

01:39:49.460 not being disrespected if i feel like i'm not disrespecting you by asking you questions about

01:39:53.520 your worldview no no you're just being um how do i say very uh demanding and overbearing because

01:39:59.580 it's actually i know i know i mean i listed a lot of topics i need you to answer my question

01:40:03.660 that i would rather talk about and we've been talking about your topic for 45 minutes and i've

01:40:07.180 barely even had an opportunity to steer where this conversation goes do you have a bunch of topics

01:40:10.480 that you brought i brought one why can't we talk about mine too we are oh great then what's your

01:40:16.440 complaint you're hiding a little behind the mic can you try to you don't know now what your complaint

01:40:22.180 is did you did that argument not work very well you brought 10 topics i brought one you don't want

01:40:27.000 to talk about my one topic but we should talk about your 10 fantastic fine we can move on but

01:40:32.200 unbelievable we will do a couple chats here and then we'll get into our next topic then bring in

01:40:39.620 the chats i'm gonna go have a smoke all righty sounds maybe you should just can you pause it or

01:40:43.260 should i stay here while he goes out can i take a break after him yeah okay okay cool that's fine

01:40:48.360 uh okay so we have xerxes here or actually xerxes donated 100 dollars on these hi kylie are you a

01:40:57.420 communist or anti-capitalist can women be sexist towards men can minorities be racist towards white

01:41:04.980 people is misogyny worse than misandry that's a that is a great question yeah sorry can i answer it

01:41:11.560 yeah okay you know what why don't we do this just because maybe andrew will want to wait yeah he'll

01:41:15.720 probably have things to say wait okay that's fine let's see if any of these here i'll let this one

01:41:21.100 come through because this one's kind of just general red fox donated 100 dollars thank you

01:41:26.700 humanism naturalism theism and relativism what a mess your worldview in incoherent and destructive

01:41:35.400 your pretentious presentation is a turnoff bring on mrs wilson not one step back

01:41:42.260 anything you want to respond to there um no i i just wasn't like prepared on this subject and it's

01:41:50.640 an interesting topic so i will uh learn more i mean i'm always open to learning more so i will go do my

01:41:55.760 research got jason to sell thank you jason jason castle donated 100 thank you man people sleep

01:42:02.460 peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf

01:42:07.860 this quote sums up reality but you refuse to concede because you don't like men dumb yeah i

01:42:14.560 really um i do believe that men are important figures in our society and i admire a lot of the

01:42:20.360 bravery of men um so if you want to call me stupid whatever you want to call me that's totally fine

01:42:26.040 but i never said that i hate men i i do believe that men are important and i like men i'm close to my

01:42:32.020 dad i have a partner who is a man right now so yeah all right and if you guys want to get your

01:42:37.780 own message in you can do so streamlabs.com slash whatever we're doing hundred dollar tts we have

01:42:42.560 jordan flores here hey thank you jordan appreciate it jordan flores donated 100 thank you can someone

01:42:49.020 tell her that the restaurant kids menu crossword puzzle isn't an iq test also ironically enough

01:42:55.660 when she mentions quitting every 15 minutes it proves andrew's point yeah jordan i'm not i i'm not

01:43:01.860 like mentioning quitting i'm genuinely trying to leave here because i do not enjoy this environment

01:43:06.560 it's very hostile um and i know that the restaurant menu is not an iq test that's kind of a funny joke

01:43:11.340 though but thank you okay we have some super chats here honest question for the feminist how's feminism

01:43:17.540 in any way about equality when every single policy and law it advocates for is literally a move away

01:43:23.880 from equality even charles fourier who coined the term feminism was a staunch misandrist drist

01:43:30.800 maybe a little typo there but do you want to answer manny's question here um yeah so i mean

01:43:37.540 again that's an absolute not every policy is about a move away from equality feminism has never been

01:43:42.860 about female supremacy it has been about the importance of creating equality between the sexes

01:43:48.200 and creating protections um from you know for for women in various areas economic political whatever it

01:43:54.200 is so um yeah i don't know if that answers your question but all right we have andrew back here manny

01:43:59.860 thank you for that soup chat we have two from lucas here and uh two more it looks like some on

01:44:04.600 streamlabs lucas thank you man uh honey you don't want to go toe-to-toe on credentials and alphabet soup

01:44:10.500 with me i assure you the alphabet soup is far more expansive than the law degree that brian and

01:44:16.980 and andrew might possibly be aware of that notwithstanding as logician rhetorician rhetorician

01:44:24.680 and debater andrew continued is superior to me by order of magnitude rest assured that piece of

01:44:31.700 paper signifying your full-fledged year four full-fledged years of imbecilic indoctrination

01:44:38.760 is meaningless oh but hey how many genders are there would love to hear your take on that do you

01:44:44.900 want to respond to uh him on that or lucas on that i bathroom break if you have anything to say

01:44:54.360 because remember i was gonna yeah do you want to do a quick response to lucas oh oh yes and then

01:44:58.400 feel free to take um yeah that's an interesting um that's an interesting question um i think that

01:45:04.560 for me i believe that sex is biological so it's what's assigned at birth you know so it's like male

01:45:09.700 female and then gender i think is really like open to interpretation but like definitely you know

01:45:14.100 man woman um trans man trans woman non-binary are the ones that i really like you know see pretty

01:45:19.440 often but you know there's i mean i just think it's very individual so but yeah good question

01:45:23.600 okay yeah feel free to take your break we'll uh read a couple chats here all right we've got

01:45:29.560 one sec guys

01:45:31.220 uh we have one sec where is it this one's for you andrew chat for you from from usmc

01:45:42.440 using croutinated 100 andrew if you had some cleavage maybe you could garner some soft feelings

01:45:49.620 too also m's dipstick is touching the right side of her nose when she wants to be fed an answer

01:45:55.460 uh usmc thank you for your message here we have well the thing thing is is like

01:46:02.060 it's not like you can't look up a thousand different debates that i've done easily

01:46:07.620 right and know that you're coming into a debate with somebody who definitely is going to press

01:46:12.220 your worldview i haven't even been mean like it's just like how how is it that these women are such

01:46:18.580 girl bosses but at the same time they're so fragile just break you know it's like you barely even

01:46:23.620 touch the server they just break they just crumble it's ridiculous yeah um you know what one sec i want

01:46:30.720 to put it on i need to put it on intro for just a sec guys no it's okay i'll do it

01:46:37.620 sorry about that guys folks we're we're back just needed a little private word there with uh

01:46:56.680 with andrew uh let's see i was i was officially chastised for no no for the idea only for the idea

01:47:06.320 that i wasn't reading enough of these super chats because you guys aren't sending enough of them in

01:47:10.060 so do that immediately we're on a what we call on the crucible an obscene profit break and with

01:47:16.560 obscene orthodox looking beard comes obscene profit break and don't tell me you haven't been

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01:48:41.160 slash whatever we do have a chat coming through here from let's see this one yeah xerxes donated

01:48:48.400 one hundred dollars hi kylie are you a communist or anti-capitalist can women be sexist towards men

01:48:56.180 can minorities be racist towards white people is misogyny worse than misandry so there's like

01:49:02.800 four there why don't we start with the first one um how do you what's how you categorize yourself i

01:49:09.940 guess um i'm reluctant to use any like label in terms of this but i think that there are like

01:49:14.520 definitely cons to capitalism but there are a lot of pros like um you know like ingenuity and like

01:49:19.060 invention and creativity so yeah um but i think that there's always room for improvement in a system

01:49:24.300 but no i would never describe myself as like a communist or anything like that okay and then there

01:49:28.660 was the uh can women be sexist towards men yeah uh good question i think that women can definitely

01:49:35.740 like have like not like men and have like a lot of like maybe prejudice towards men but i think

01:49:40.620 like like just the term sexism generally refers to like a systemic issue so like you know how for

01:49:45.560 decades and decades like women couldn't uh you know work in certain fields or they couldn't get a job

01:49:50.100 women couldn't open a bank account until 1974 that's like sexism because it's a systemic issue so that's

01:49:55.660 the way that i think of it obviously i'm sure he has different opinions on that um but yeah men but

01:50:01.240 you're not here to elevate women over men even though no i would like for women to like be they can't but

01:50:07.740 they can't be sexist though only men because it's systemic uh there was one more right

01:50:12.960 uh yes but it seems like oh i wants to engage you on that but here uh yeah we'll go how about we'll

01:50:20.680 go through i feel like we might go for a while on that one yeah so we'll we'll we'll get back to it

01:50:25.060 but can minorities so i guess like black latino whatever can minorities be racist towards white

01:50:30.200 people um there's there yeah like there's definitely a level of like maybe strong dislike

01:50:37.400 or like maybe like prejudice towards white people but i would say the same thing about uh like

01:50:41.960 serious like like racism is like systemic like there were laws to uphold it like you know jim crow laws

01:50:47.240 and a bunch of other laws to uphold um you know even like the institution of slavery which is really

01:50:52.080 you know for like hundreds of years and so because of that the racism that is embedded into like

01:50:57.080 our laws whether on purpose or not on purpose in the united states is systemic and so that makes

01:51:02.620 racism primarily that way um and yeah so i don't think minorities can be racist to white people i think

01:51:11.020 it's uh prejudice though i think the terms are different it's like you know you know what i mean

01:51:14.560 like the hatred or the the fear exists about certain groups but the term is the way i explained it okay

01:51:20.400 and then the final one was just uh is misogyny worse than misandry um yeah i would say so and the

01:51:28.420 reason why is because misogyny is built into uh laws and policies as well versus misandry is just

01:51:34.020 like a lot of the time is rooted in genuine fear it doesn't make it you know okay but i think like it's

01:51:39.800 better to you know see people as they are but um i think misogyny is again more of like a deeply

01:51:45.620 systemic issue and a lot of violence gender-based violence is rooted in misogyny um which cannot

01:51:50.460 necessarily be said for the other way around obviously there's always exceptions to everything

01:51:54.000 and then so andrew there was the can women be sexist towards men can minorities be racist so i

01:51:59.300 reject yeah so i categorically reject these definitions these are what are called institutional

01:52:04.720 definitions what they are is their definitions in order to reinforce a worldview rather than actually

01:52:09.960 give descriptions for what is reality so if we're talking about race for instance right and racism

01:52:17.000 if you're talking about what are perceived racial groups why couldn't minorities be racist towards

01:52:24.200 the majority well what they what academics do is they play this pretentious game where they're like

01:52:29.120 well you have to have institutional power well that's also hold on uh can you just i i hate to

01:52:35.160 interrupt you andrew uh can you just repeat what you just said to me privately there yes um i would

01:52:41.380 i will be needing to leave at 6 p.m so for anyone who is leaving um or who is watching and not 6 30

01:52:46.820 because uh i have a lot of reasons and one is that i have to drive two hours tonight um in the dark so i

01:52:53.880 would like to leave at 6 p.m and i'm making that known and um i hope that our agreement can be fulfilled

01:52:59.340 uh but can you specify i mean you agreed to do 6 30 6 30 that that was the agreed upon right yeah um

01:53:09.760 i mean i don't i again asking me to continue to explain myself is a little bit tiring but

01:53:14.580 i just i there's a lot of reasons i mean i have some health issues i just sitting here for this

01:53:20.340 prolonged period i was not told by the way that this was going to be three hours i thought it was

01:53:23.660 going to be an hour max so i agreed we didn't we didn't specify that it was going to be an hour max

01:53:29.560 so why no no i actually was very poor communication on your end but anyways i'm telling you that i will

01:53:35.780 be leaving at 6 on your end you're going to a show and didn't bother asking how long it was going to

01:53:39.780 be no i did when i got here but i will be wait wait wait when you got here i'm i'm leaving at 6

01:53:46.100 okay so we can have as much of a debate as we want okay yeah we understand that's not satisfactory i

01:53:51.340 would like i will leave now like i'm just letting you know like this is not an environment for me

01:53:55.140 that i am uh oh my god he whines so much you're such a whiner you just whine and cry but yeah i'm

01:54:01.020 just letting you know i don't know but what was it okay what was the other thing you said i can't do

01:54:04.760 a debate he's gonna ask me questions about my worldview i wasn't prepared for i'm just here to teach

01:54:08.800 and monologue and i don't want i don't want it's fucking ridiculous if the con like we i signed

01:54:13.060 something about coming so she agreed she agreed to 6 30 right in front of me i like and now she's

01:54:18.400 retracting it it's like what what is going on i don't know and mind you uh andrew has just already

01:54:24.680 done two debates he did one on friday and and flew in also for my opponent and very kind to me you're

01:54:31.820 welcome thank you those debates i also don't live here i flew in i'm in chicago so right those those

01:54:37.200 debate wait i'm a little confused you flew in i flew in my family that lives an hour away so i spent

01:54:43.640 you know a little bit of time with them this morning and then i'm going to see them again before i fly out

01:54:46.600 tomorrow well okay that we'll discuss that after the show but um and the if you looked at our

01:54:54.960 channels and the length of our previous debates the past two debates that we had were have gone

01:55:00.040 quite long five hours and yeah i mean again i have health problems yeah but i mean are you serious

01:55:06.280 like are you are you fucking serious i'm talking serious why would you have a different assumption

01:55:09.680 why would but why how would we know that i'm telling you now of course but don't you think that

01:55:15.700 if you saw the last two episodes they went five hours why would you presume that yours was going

01:55:20.100 to go less and that we would know you had health issues because i'm telling you i have when you get

01:55:24.840 to the show oh my god wow this is an initial this is a disclosure now but look so we're going to

01:55:31.220 continue the conversation but there was one other thing you said to me there in private she's like

01:55:35.180 she's you're fundamentally a dishonest person like fundamentally dishonest there's no reason for

01:55:40.480 you to hold that presumption at all on top of the there being no reason for you to hold that

01:55:44.840 presumption whatsoever uh you get to the studio then say you have health issues it's like

01:55:49.420 yeah you know it seems fundamentally dishonest right i mean that's just kind of something that

01:55:55.820 you don't want to disclose because it's a little embarrassing but we're not asking you

01:55:59.900 go cry look strong woman i thought you were a strong woman i hope you guys have a really good

01:56:05.300 day i'm leaving hold on hold on hold on we're not look i thought you were strong woman kylie do you

01:56:12.740 want to just take like three minutes to gather i'm leaving like i'm right um i mean you look you

01:56:18.740 agreed to i agreed to here not stay for the entire yeah but that you can't do some technicality

01:56:24.140 where well i showed up for two minutes and i'm just going to leave and get the benefits of look kylie

01:56:30.500 just take a five minute breather it's i you still there kylie look do you want to take a five

01:56:36.960 minute breather come back and we'll we'll talk more okay um all right uh here i'll do some chats

01:56:45.800 i'll read some chats uh let's see here we have oh boy there's a lot um and i and i think we were

01:56:54.400 about to get into a really good segment there when it came to uh miss is misogyny worse than uh misandry

01:57:02.040 uh can you be uh sexist towards men can or can women be sexist towards men so let's do this uh

01:57:08.760 here we got wait kylie you okay okay that's fine all right i just uh all right so we have red fox here

01:57:19.920 red fox donated 100 brian great job as a mod andrew i am sorry you have been putting in so much work

01:57:31.140 and this is the quality of your opponent yes glad your family is safe not one step back look bring

01:57:37.960 on the blood sport and for those of you i know there's probably a few of you in chat who are like

01:57:41.940 how did he do that well here's the thing right it's like i've been engaging in good faith engaging in

01:57:47.240 a typical debate they're gonna they're you know what i mean and the whole time it's been all about tone

01:57:52.400 and andrew's bad and this and it's like you know and then we get to it she'd lie through t she agreed

01:57:57.100 to 6 30 before the cameras rolled i'm telling you she not only agreed to it but uh basically i mean

01:58:03.200 they discussed it and she was like yeah 6 30 then she changes her mind right and then kind of was very

01:58:10.660 dishonest about the reasoning behind it and you know there's a form of female manipulation which

01:58:15.540 happens when they're like i don't want to disclose any health issues because it could be embarrassed

01:58:18.920 like well then why did you agree to the show we didn't ask about that yeah no but of course not

01:58:24.020 it's all fundamentally dishonest and so it's like you know what am i supposed to do am i supposed

01:58:28.200 to look at her when when they turn on the waterworks when you know it's clearly manipulation and be like

01:58:32.380 oh okay then yeah fuck that fuck that i've had two really good faith interlockers we've gone back

01:58:38.520 and forth with i don't hold any ill will towards them but it's like you came to do the debate i flew

01:58:43.200 out here to do the debate do the fucking debate stop you know what i mean do just do the debate

01:58:46.880 yeah yeah and uh and i think we've been uh probably very i don't know if charitable is the

01:58:55.140 right word but uh almost uh bent over backwards yeah it's not like you know uh super annoying

01:59:05.460 really at the beginning she was trying to dictate terms and look to the audience i know you guys

01:59:10.180 didn't like that i was trying to kind of placate things a little bit but in you know like i was

01:59:14.740 telling andrew just in furtherance of ensuring that the debate actually happens if you gotta you

01:59:20.580 know walk back an inch you know to be able to make it further than so be it but uh we let me do these

01:59:29.500 super chats while they come through yo gerald appreciate it coastal operator thing for the

01:59:33.480 membership uh okay jj mad thank you for that message uh let's see here we have

01:59:41.640 uh i'm honestly kind of lost on some of the chats here okay all good yeah all right um whoops didn't

01:59:56.280 mean to do that uh so okay here's where we left off right right uh xerxes was uh can women be sexist

02:00:05.440 towards men can minorities be racist towards white people is misogyny worse than uh missing misandry

02:00:11.480 excuse me uh andrew it seemed like you wanted to uh yeah so it's just it's just academic doublespeak

02:00:17.640 it's just uh it's a way for them to hold uh dualistic standards so um what they mean by what

02:00:26.060 they mean by racism is exactly what they mean by racism across the board it's just that in order to

02:00:32.020 make whatever they consider the oppressive class not be oppressed they call it something else by saying

02:00:36.420 there's not enough institutional power but if you were to ask them something like well what about over

02:00:40.540 in south africa right they would still say that nope whites really have the institutional power

02:00:46.120 there no matter what no matter what so it's like um it's never and i've been in these debates multiple

02:00:51.940 times it's never a consistent definition it's an academic doublespeak uh when it comes to misogyny

02:00:59.040 worse than misandry yeah right um the only reason that she says that is because she believes in a bunch

02:01:05.400 of stats which are completely false they're totally false we've been to over multiple times women do

02:01:10.720 just as much damage with their misandry as whatever she considers misogyny to be and the truth is it's

02:01:18.120 all just demonization yeah i don't know why she's crying i don't know i have no idea i'm not i'm not

02:01:24.240 crying right now but yeah okay this seems very manipulative by the way i'm just pointing that out

02:01:32.880 but yeah you're entitled to your beliefs would you like to engage with uh uh the misogyny being worse

02:01:41.300 than uh misandry um sure topic yeah i mean i i'll just read out the statistics that i have here um

02:01:51.700 about violence against women and that's basically what my you know my belief that misogyny is worse

02:02:01.000 misogyny kills and misandry annoys is sort of a phrase that people say i think both definitely aren't

02:02:06.660 healthy but um one in three women experience violence in the home or just generally in their lifetime

02:02:14.580 world health organization 50 of women are murdered in 2017 were killed by an intimate partner united

02:02:19.940 nations um a lot of child brides um with victims being women married to older men as well as 71

02:02:26.020 of human trafficking victims being women um you often use for sexual exploitation purposes and that

02:02:31.480 a lot of that is rooted in the belief that women are property and objects that men can do what they

02:02:36.760 want with um and yeah so that's why i believe that misogyny is worse i think again though i will

02:02:42.120 concede i think both can be harmful can i just point out real quick that uh sexual liberation is a key

02:02:47.940 cornerstone of feminism including only fans things like this and that's been linked heavily to sexual

02:02:53.000 trafficking and still the left does everything they can to promote that women should be able to

02:03:00.560 engage in prostitution even though it leads to those very same outcomes which is insane on top of that

02:03:05.160 she says misogyny kills misandry annoys that's not true we look at post-divorce stats for suicidality

02:03:11.800 for instance uh same thing even pre when it comes to men's health they do in a lot of themselves at

02:03:17.280 higher rates right now i would still argue that that's mostly because they're better at it but

02:03:22.080 also because and what i mean by that is that like women will basically not use they just won't use

02:03:28.060 guns right and men use guns um but yeah i would say also when we're talking about misogyny versus

02:03:34.920 misandry what's really interesting about this is they'll often only point to the stat of death as though

02:03:39.900 that is the only stat which is worth looking at you look at what's going on in society we also have

02:03:45.240 to look at children the effects and outcomes of children the demonization of men through misandry

02:03:51.420 often will lead to men or uh boys young girls things like that losing respect for men it also

02:03:58.120 leads to men losing custody of their children which leads to bad outcomes for children like just be even

02:04:05.060 if it were the case that i accepted all of her stats it by the way that also proves that feminism

02:04:10.760 it's not doing a good job protecting women literally failed its promise of protecting women but on top of

02:04:16.260 that let's can we just point out that she doesn't bring up the outcomes for children ever they never

02:04:22.540 bring up the outcomes for children which are completely and totally awful when we have these split

02:04:29.540 family homes and the glorification of single motherhood which feminism has done they only point to the fact that

02:04:34.620 well misogyny can lead to the unalivement also can i just point out uh what about the fact that there's

02:04:42.340 about a you know a million women plus a year who murder men's children in the womb i just want to point

02:04:49.440 that out while she says well this is basically misandry's harmful harmless annoyance at the same time

02:04:55.480 remember having a million abortions a year

02:04:57.560 may i just ask were you i'm trying i was listening were you listening yeah yeah okay all right um

02:05:06.940 i was listening okay do you want to sure um or counter i think that like being pro-choice it like the way

02:05:17.400 that it's it's defined about taking life is always going to be open to interpretation i think people

02:05:22.820 will think um you know different things about when life begins and so ultimately the crux of that it

02:05:28.340 seems do you it seems like you believe in god do you yeah so um i think that because of that we will

02:05:33.920 never see eye to eye because i don't consider it to be murder before a certain point like obviously like

02:05:38.280 if the fetus is viable if you know like there are certain points where i only ever use secular

02:05:43.920 arguments so even if it is the case really even god yeah i've only ever used so what would your

02:05:49.140 argument be um like that the case for sentience makes no sense and that scientifically the established

02:05:55.220 scientific consensus the legitimate scientific consensus non-sociological consensus is that this

02:06:01.000 is a human life at conception immediately that is the scientific consensus you can look at any source

02:06:06.040 you want that's a scientific consensus so if that's the case right then we should treat it as

02:06:11.360 though it's a human life sure yeah and again i think that's going to vary from person to person

02:06:15.840 um i think that there's a lot of people in the scientific community and again the scientific

02:06:21.000 consensus does vary on when life begins it does not because the religious idea is the consensus

02:06:26.780 does not vary there's no source you could ever look to and i'm willing i'm willing to be corrected

02:06:31.060 right now live there is no source i've ever been able to find right which refutes that the scientific

02:06:36.360 consensus is that human life begins at conception oh thank you there would be no other way to determine

02:06:41.400 human life other than that it began at conception you wouldn't even be able to determine

02:06:45.660 in another way but you can go ahead what does scientific consensus say when does human life begin

02:06:50.460 um sure i'll wait

02:06:53.660 so it's saying that there are three different perspectives the scientific philosophical and

02:07:05.560 religious scientific most biologists agree that a new unique human organization comes into existence

02:07:11.720 that fertilization so human life yeah at can at conception at conception right but but they're

02:07:18.000 saying that a new human organism but there's people that have different agreements that doesn't necessarily

02:07:22.160 necessitate that that doesn't mean life well what is life it's alive i mean that's that's it's um

02:07:27.740 that's what i'm saying is it's different for everyone they're saying that the human organism

02:07:31.480 forms at conception but that doesn't mean it's life well what is an organism is it alive i mean

02:07:36.220 like they're talking about human life yeah okay but what yeah what is life it wouldn't an organism

02:07:41.620 would be alive right i mean but again there's a difference between human life and an organism don't

02:07:47.340 you agree isn't well if an organism is alive and it's a human organism then it's human life right how

02:07:53.400 could it not be i mean yeah you can believe what you want i think just different people are always

02:07:57.540 gonna have different opinions on it and i don't i was just pointing out the scientific consensus

02:08:01.060 yeah and i was correct right scientific consensus by most biologists which would be consensus yes say

02:08:07.140 that a human life begins at conception right sure yeah so then what we're left with from the secular

02:08:11.960 perspective is sentience and that really makes no sense that's it so i would always use a secular

02:08:17.920 argument the secularists can't determine when sentience begins since they can't determine when

02:08:22.520 sentience begins there's no reason for us to assume it doesn't begin a conception of life okay yeah i i

02:08:28.000 mean there's different arguments for like so i understand your arguments more

02:08:30.860 biological that makes sense um i understand your argument i mean there's different reasons people

02:08:35.860 argue for being pro-choice and pro-life so pro-life pro-choice but um you know there's different

02:08:41.920 ways of looking at it and i don't think we'll ever agree so i don't know um but yeah but good i like i

02:08:47.140 enjoy hearing about your arguments and what you have to say so i've never been you know yeah i never

02:08:53.900 heard that specific point so kylie you mentioned that there were some topics you would have uh other

02:08:59.000 topics you would like to speak on is there uh from your prompts would you like to bring any of those

02:09:04.060 up or yeah um i just would you so do you really believe that out of the four components of the

02:09:13.580 four principles of general feminism which is working to increase gender equality that's number one

02:09:18.540 and expanding human choice number two how do you suppose that those two things could be problematic

02:09:24.740 yeah let's start with um expanding human choice actually okay that's one of my favorite ones

02:09:30.200 so you're not really for expanding human choice right like just only kind of i like you don't

02:09:37.220 want me to have a choice to be able to drink and drive right uh sure yeah you don't want me to have

02:09:43.100 a choice to stop at a stop sign like sure yeah yeah like short of some like externalized emergency

02:09:49.540 so what choices do you want me to be able to have let's start with those sure um anything related

02:09:58.080 to agency um like within reason without harming others yeah but i mean me drinking driving doesn't

02:10:04.200 harm others opportunity right um does me drinking driving actually harm others it can but everything

02:10:10.180 i do can harm others right so that's that's a strange argument because when you're talking about

02:10:15.940 freedom of choice and you say well we can limit this choice because it can do harm

02:10:19.860 that would be so let me let me um clarify then okay expanding human choice such that it promotes

02:10:28.320 autonomy and agency without infringing upon the rights of others or the safety of others yeah now

02:10:35.900 you see why i was so specific about rights because it's definitionally part of what you believe right

02:10:40.840 being specific is so yeah it's being specific is super important i was very specific about rights

02:10:45.620 that's why i wanted to know where they came from right because i looked at your definition which i

02:10:49.580 wrote down earlier which was the four parts and i'll read it to you the four parts if you don't

02:10:54.000 believe that i wrote it down no i believe you i believe you you've definitely been paying attention

02:10:57.540 but you keep but you you kept on saying like i don't think that this is pertinent when we're

02:11:01.380 talking about forced doctrine and rights but the entirety of your second pillar of feminism revolves

02:11:07.020 around choice and rights so usually everybody should have a choice unless it expands to infringe on

02:11:11.660 someone else's rights right like a living person yeah yeah like a living person okay we'll just we're

02:11:17.220 going to leave abortion yeah all that aside we'll just talk about we'll just say like you're alive

02:11:22.300 at least we'll agree you're alive at when you come out of the womb sure right we can agree to that

02:11:26.380 so but here's the problem right it's like let's take something easy like guns for instance right

02:11:33.400 um should i be able to own an ar-15 depends on who you ask in which state i'm asking you

02:11:39.960 do i think you need an ar-15 that's not what i asked should i be able to own one should you be

02:11:45.320 able to own an ar-15 that has because there's specific types right there's like ways you can

02:11:49.940 prevent the ar-15 from firing i mean a fully automatic machine gun okay why are you taking

02:11:55.340 away my choice because like that would be an example of the specification that i made about

02:11:59.660 how it infringes upon the safety of others okay what about a semi-automatic

02:12:02.580 um that's a good question um i don't really know why anything that even that large and semi-automatic

02:12:11.620 would be useful but i don't know a lot about ar-15s i understand i'm not trying to hold any

02:12:17.360 potential ignorance you have about the operation of guns against your argument after all then i can

02:12:22.380 say tractors do a lot of damage and not know anything about tractors but still know they do

02:12:26.300 damage right so i think that that's a legitimate argument for you to say i mean i know yes but yes

02:12:31.720 yeah yeah well i'm just well do you well what is the chambered in that i mean my dad is like has a

02:12:37.360 lot he has like a gun save and i grew up with him like shooting and stuff do you know what caliber an

02:12:41.160 ar-15 shoes no i don't okay so i mean again i'm not familiar with ar-15s really but yeah yeah uh so we

02:12:47.840 would say like functionally you don't know too much about the product we're talking about sure i'm fine

02:12:52.320 with that i was just pointing that out to be hyper charitable but how how is that considering the fact

02:12:58.520 that i will never and almost nobody who ever owns an ar-15 will use one in a violent act

02:13:04.060 why is it worth limiting our choice is that true oh yeah do you know for instance um almost all gun

02:13:12.060 crime is committed with handguns and almost all of it is committed by one segment of the population

02:13:17.420 with handguns when it comes to long guns that would be uh the black population mostly with handguns

02:13:23.840 with handguns and then with shotguns is that what you're saying no no well with rifles yeah or

02:13:27.940 shotguns you're more likely to be beaten to death with hands and feet than than a rifle or a shotgun

02:13:32.180 including an ar-15 that's if we took all of the mass things i can't say what they are but the mass

02:13:39.220 things that you know happen if we took all even all of those into account you're still more likely

02:13:43.660 to get beaten to death with hands and feet interesting than you are to so but how does that expand

02:13:49.060 my choice then though that i that this is an operational thing that i want and somebody

02:13:55.000 definitely wants to sell it to me and i want to buy it why are you limiting my choice yeah i mean

02:14:00.840 i think that's a good question i feel like it's very um philosophical at that point um i do think

02:14:06.040 like the stigma around owning guns like i i'm definitely for stronger i just don't understand why

02:14:12.080 anyone would need to own like a fully like just the fact that if anyone got their hands on it it just

02:14:15.900 is scary i don't know why anyone would need to be able to shoot that many rounds that quickly

02:14:20.000 well you believe in rights right yes the right to own guns i do believe is important yeah so that

02:14:25.300 would be a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the

02:14:28.900 people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed right that's our second amendment yeah no i mean and

02:14:32.900 that is a right sure and wouldn't it be infringing i'm not trying to take it away like yeah well you're

02:14:37.780 trying to limit my choice with that right and you haven't explained how exactly it infringes on

02:14:42.900 anybody that i own an ar-15 i mean there have been yeah i mean i think the most notable example

02:14:48.200 wasn't it i mean i'll have to specifically check but the one in i can grant any like mass you know

02:14:55.160 homicide event that may have happened with an ar-15 yeah what does that have to do with me um

02:14:59.740 right i think the the point being i think is to determine if something infringes upon the rights of

02:15:06.920 others or the safety of others should be uh it's something that is up for like debate and so i'm

02:15:13.440 not here to tell you like what does or doesn't what is or isn't like i'm not like a governing agency

02:15:19.100 you should probably ask somebody who knows more about it's the second pillar the second pillar of

02:15:22.480 your ideology right i'm talking about human agency in terms of like not like the right like i'm

02:15:26.880 specifically talking about the ability for someone to get the job they want like you you immediately

02:15:31.980 brought it back to guns i'm talking about the ability to have the equal opportunities to

02:15:35.120 like have someone take care of your children while you go to work and stuff so that you can

02:15:38.760 advance your career like i think that's fair i think that's a fair a fair point to make so if

02:15:42.960 like a woman wants to get a job at a firm where a man controls the firm doesn't want to hire her

02:15:47.200 because she's a woman you would say that that's infringing on her choice sure yeah okay i think that

02:15:51.620 that's completely fair if it is the case though that's like i don't know enough about guns to be able

02:15:56.040 to like accurately come up with something does that make sense yeah yeah well we could use anything that

02:16:00.760 you could ever know about uh gun gun wise just use that okay but yeah the point is is that if i

02:16:07.140 wanted to have a firearm of my choice yeah right and it wouldn't actually hurt anybody the expansive

02:16:12.380 of choice seems like you're saying that that business owner doesn't have choice because she has the

02:16:17.400 right right however if it harms him and his business it's the same argument you're making for

02:16:23.960 the ar-15 you're saying because other people may do bad thing with this right may just be may do you

02:16:31.360 know like horrible things some people may the vast majority of people do not right we need to govern

02:16:37.380 their choice in order to have safety for society or safety for individuals right how is it though that

02:16:42.920 if you tell people who they have to hire you're not also limiting choice how how's that work it's not

02:16:49.680 saying who you have to hire it's saying who you cannot discriminate against like you know the

02:16:56.460 1964 civil rights act i think that racism is designed to combat or that legislation is designed

02:17:05.760 to combat racism and well yeah yeah versus like so the the protection is more for the person like

02:17:13.420 there's more protecting being done for the person who is being hired than there is harm being done to

02:17:20.740 the business by being told they can't be racist so that's how it outweighs it can you demonstrate it

02:17:25.020 sure um so if i'm a woman and i'm equally qualified as a man and i go in to get a job

02:17:33.260 and i you know they're telling me that i can't be hired because i'm a woman then that causes immense

02:17:39.340 psychological and financial harm right for the company to have to hire me instead of the man

02:17:44.700 even though i'm equally qualified that does not actually harm them in any way because i have the

02:17:51.500 same qualifications and abilities as the man does okay so i want to go by a fully does that even harm

02:17:57.280 the company i don't know well i think it does because well because it limits the choices and demoralizes

02:18:02.560 the agencies at the top who may not want to hire you for whatever arbitrary reason but like let's say

02:18:07.860 specifically it's like they don't think women are good and like at the job sure let's just say that

02:18:12.580 that's true you think that should be product protected well i mean from their view it's going

02:18:15.980 to hurt them right like there's no doubt that that's going to hurt them you may not agree with

02:18:20.820 the reasoning why it hurts them but you can't disagree that it's going to hurt them subjectivity

02:18:25.080 versus like you're saying for the subjective well it's all subjective there no but the subjective no

02:18:29.880 i mean not necessarily like the objective there is an objective truth that discrimination is harmful

02:18:34.340 wait a second you don't agree wait a second hang on a second then that would also be an objective

02:18:40.100 truth then that if people are forced to do things they don't want to do like hire people they don't

02:18:44.340 want to hire then i would make the same argument that you think that's as bad as like racism did i

02:18:49.200 say as bad or objectively harmful okay so let's so so when i say like i want to go buy an ar-15 and

02:18:57.060 you say no you can't right that's doing the exact same thing i don't understand like what's the

02:19:02.660 distinction here it sounds like you're telling me what i have to do yeah i mean i think some people

02:19:08.800 some people see it that way i do have an interest in public safety though so um i think that sometimes

02:19:14.680 um you know certain actions if they're racist sexist harmful cause a lot of psychological or

02:19:22.980 financial or other physical harm i don't think that those should be protected over the beliefs of

02:19:28.820 the inferiority of the person are you aware based off of a characteristic they can't control yeah are

02:19:33.820 you aware of how many dei laws there are i mean i know there's a rollback now that trump is in office

02:19:43.360 but sure go ahead and explain yeah i mean um when it comes to hiring practices or non-discriminatory

02:19:51.080 practices right there's hundreds and hundreds of laws of both the local state and municipal and at the

02:19:56.720 federal level right hundreds and hundreds and hundreds which govern this behavior you're telling

02:20:01.360 me that none of those which all of them are designed to expand choice are infringements upon

02:20:08.140 the hiring practices people want to hire who they want like if i wanted to have a male-only firm because

02:20:11.980 i just wanted one why is that actually a problem right i mean i guess to your point there are like

02:20:19.940 women-only gyms you know and yeah if i want a male-only firm and literally i'm public about it i'm like

02:20:25.400 i just don't want to hire women because i don't really like them that much if i just said that

02:20:30.640 like outright i just don't really like them that much and i just don't want to work with them and

02:20:34.940 it's my company i fucking own it i built it i invented everything what is actually the problem

02:20:40.100 with that why can't i just do that um why do you want to why do you want to like infringe on my

02:20:44.740 choices like the 1964 like civil rights act is probably gonna be a problem for you i don't know let's

02:20:50.960 well if i mean do you know what freedom of association is freedom to associate with who

02:20:56.120 you want yeah do you think that that's an inherent right

02:20:58.220 um i think for corporations corporations aren't people so corporations are people what else would

02:21:07.680 they be they shouldn't be people i think that's where we disagree because in some cases the supreme

02:21:12.580 court has upheld that the corporations like have the same rights of people so if you own a company and

02:21:16.740 you're religious then you don't have to pay for like reproductive services or birth control

02:21:20.580 what else would you couldn't classify them as anything about people people are the things

02:21:24.740 which run corporations corporations are people i i disagree um i think that corporations are entities

02:21:30.720 they are run by people but i think that they should be held to different standards is there any

02:21:34.660 conscious entity that you can think of that talks and can speak like you and me and make decisions

02:21:39.820 like you and me that's not people um yeah sure uh no no so that i mean if that's the case they're

02:21:49.020 making the same types of decisions that you and i are making why wouldn't they be assumed to be

02:21:53.960 people because they have different um sort of way like standards of operation they have laws they

02:22:00.640 have to follow that are different from people like in terms of the government size i believe it should

02:22:05.920 be considered not a person i think it they're just it's fundamentally the way that it operates is

02:22:11.520 different i mean it's not one it's like a conglomerate of things and and people who work

02:22:15.720 in a company so like so i don't have a corporation let's say then when i have a private business

02:22:20.620 practice right where i'm a landscaper and i just there's a woman who comes in she's definitely

02:22:26.600 qualified for the job there's a man who comes in who's slightly less qualified for the job

02:22:30.260 but i just kind of want to hire him anyway because i just don't really like women why is that not

02:22:36.160 something i should have the freedom to choose for myself why i mean i just think we're operating at a

02:22:40.640 different moral capacity i mean a lot of my things that i say are rooted in morals and you're making

02:22:45.080 yours about like in sort of like laws i'm asking you for the moral argument i'm telling you that

02:22:50.700 i believe it's wrong to make someone feel ashamed and not hire somebody and give them different

02:22:57.060 outcome based off of their race or sex or you don't believe it's wrong to tell people that they must do

02:23:02.040 a thing they don't want to do not at all no i don't because i because then it's not about choice

02:23:07.120 then is it i suppose if you want to make the argument you're making then no then it's not really about

02:23:12.460 choice okay so the second pillar of feminism is uh not true debunked it like yes it's like that

02:23:19.060 it's pretty false yeah it's pretty false you just said it's not really about choice it's really about

02:23:23.120 an agenda right what was the third pillar of feminism um well i think we're getting close to

02:23:29.100 the end is this what we want to talk about for the last you know few minutes well we have another 30

02:23:34.080 minutes sure it's 559 right now we have all right well i might just have to take another break because

02:23:41.560 i'm not feeling so hot is that all right um there but i'll tell you what i would like to talk about

02:23:47.160 next though one thing here i think it would be fair i just told you i have medical issues though like i

02:23:52.220 genuinely need to take a break hold on i'm fine with you taking the breaks okay but given the frequency

02:23:58.020 and the duration of said breaks i think it's reasonable to ask for an additional 10 15 minutes

02:24:04.960 to make up for the breaks that have uh occurred thus far sure i will give you 10 minutes more so we can

02:24:12.020 go till 6 40 but other than that i truly cannot stay longer like i have problems like yeah no look do you

02:24:20.740 you want to go ahead and take the break and we'll let some chats come through okay

02:24:24.160 uh all right uh we're gonna here's what we're gonna do guys uh since we are getting close to the

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02:25:45.320 All right. Sorry. Sorry about that, guys. We are back, though. I'm going to read a couple chats

02:25:54.680 here. Ripter, the problem with feminism is that men overwhelmingly allow women to redefine what

02:26:00.620 masculinity should be, while women often concede no such ground to men who have a preference for

02:26:07.300 how women should behave. How is this equality since she's gone? Andrew, do you want to quickly

02:26:12.540 like? Yeah, very quickly. This is why I always tie them to virtues. And thus far, nobody has argued

02:26:19.920 this definition. It's a big defeater for feminist ideology as well. All right, Ripter. Thank you

02:26:25.760 for that. We have Lucas. Here it is. Truth is, the little lady is weak and intellectually feeble,

02:26:31.020 the otherwise mired in eco-chamber with her views never challenged. Just a hunch here, love,

02:26:36.460 but an oral argument in front of SCOTUS is probably not on the cards for you. Now bring out the therapy

02:26:41.440 dog. Okay. You know, Lucas, you maybe wanted that directed at her, but she did have to step away

02:26:49.060 for a moment, but the audience did get to see it. And we do have a bit of a time limit here. So I'm

02:26:57.520 going to see if there's any Streamlabs messages that we can let come through. Get the super, bring in the

02:27:03.160 super chats. Do it. Let's see here. One sec, guys. There's a lot. So I'll try to get through to all of

02:27:10.560 them. Uh, one sec. Ah, shoot. Uh, we have USMC.

02:27:18.180 Usum crutinated $100. Big fan of Andrew, even though I'm older than him. Member at Crucible.

02:27:25.840 This lady hasn't had an argument since you hacked her phone reception.

02:27:29.600 Yeah. We, uh, you know, we've got what, what Faraday cage in the studio, so they can't,

02:27:38.320 it allows our signal to get out, but all right. Thank you for that. Christopher Murphy. Thank

02:27:42.600 you. All right. Christopher, Christopher Murphy is about to come through USMC. Thank you.

02:27:48.220 Christopher Murphy donated $100. I'm a proud Crucible member. Thank you.

02:27:53.560 You and Rachel are finally getting the recognition you two deserve. Keep it up. Brian, don't apologize

02:28:00.140 for being a good host. You're the man. I appreciate it, Christopher. Thank you. I'm trying to be as

02:28:05.920 fair as I can. Um, all right here. I'll let the, I've actually had someone offer to pay me because

02:28:12.260 I'm assuming if I leave early, you won't pay me. So, but I've had someone in my comments offer to

02:28:16.140 pay me the amount that I was paid to be here. So I'm going to go because I, I get, I have medical

02:28:21.140 problems. I'm not feeling good. What if somebody in our chat offers to pay you more?

02:28:30.640 Do you think they would? Yeah. Well, they would pay me and then.

02:28:36.520 Yes. If someone offered, I would stay and I would cry on camera, but I don't know if they will.

02:28:42.320 This is why we have the wage gap. This is literally why we have the wage gap, ladies and gentlemen.

02:28:47.220 But I highly doubt that someone will offer that. I wonder, so they're, they're offering

02:28:53.660 you, uh, they're offering me 50. So, so if you stay for another two hours, what, what would

02:29:01.600 that cost? Oh my God. Like 500 bucks? No. My God. More. On top. Like probably double.

02:29:11.160 Double, uh, 500 or so a thousand. The original. Okay. Double the original. So I think we would

02:29:19.420 need in order, would you actually, if, if it was doubled, would you? If it was actually doubled,

02:29:24.300 I would stay. Cause again, I am like, I do have a problem. Like, so I could probably stay

02:29:29.880 a little longer. Two hours. I would just have to do breaks. Two hours beyond. So we're talking

02:29:34.980 eight, uh, eight 30. Sure. Then I would, I would need like triple cause I don't, I like

02:29:41.680 Troy. You're a tough negotiator, Kylie. You're a tough negotiator. I, again, I like this girl

02:29:47.280 over here, tough negotiation. I genuinely do have issues though. Like I'm not, that's not

02:29:50.500 a lie. So I just don't like to talk about it, but I like, I have a hard time. Yeah. Like

02:29:58.040 I could like, what is the issue anyway? I don't really like to talk about it, but I've had

02:30:02.380 like concussions and stuff like that. So concussions. It's like a brain, like TBI. It's

02:30:10.500 well, yeah. I mean, traumatic brain injury. Yeah. It was a traumatic. It was, it's like,

02:30:13.660 I get like really bad headaches and like, do you want, we have like a breathing Tylenol

02:30:18.280 or ibuprofen. We could give you, but I don't really want to go too much into it. Okay.

02:30:25.060 Um, but, um, I have had someone offer me, but I just don't think this is a good environment. So

02:30:33.220 I think I'm, I will just take the offer that the person has given me of the original amount

02:30:37.760 and I'm just going to head out, I think. So, yeah, I just, um, I think my health is more

02:30:44.240 important than whatever you've offered me, which is not much. So.

02:30:48.120 I mean, I don't think it's fair. You know, we've been very generous here at the whatever

02:30:52.780 podcast. I don't know if that's a fair categorization. So you said the double of,

02:30:56.380 so if somebody does essentially, uh, somebody want to send in like an Ethereum and again,

02:31:02.780 like this isn't really my network, so I don't think anyone's going to offer it. So,

02:31:06.320 but I guess, you know, nothing is impossible. Um, are there any takers in the chat who want

02:31:12.680 to see this? Wait, let me ask the chat. Why don't I pull the chat chat? Does anybody want,

02:31:18.120 another two, uh, uh, two hours on top of, so like 8 40 Pacific time Pacific. Is it standard

02:31:26.520 time or I think standard time or is it daylight? All right. Standard. I know how we can raise

02:31:34.860 the money. So here on my notepad right down here. Okay. I have, we're going to play hang

02:31:41.740 man. I'll play hang man. We're going to play. Okay. Yeah. We're going to play chat hang

02:31:44.920 man. Okay. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to play chat hang man.

02:31:47.660 It's only four letters. That's it. You send in a hundred bucks. It gives you the letter.

02:31:53.940 I'll put in the letter, but we got to do it quick. Okay. And then I'm going to rule them

02:31:58.540 out. We'll play chat hang man. That's how we'll raise the shit. Well, they look, Hey,

02:32:01.800 tell me you got a better idea. You got nothing. All right. Let's shoot. Chat hang man.

02:32:06.560 Let's, let's do a crystal pop, a crystal pop. You guys have been lovely, but I really like,

02:32:12.640 again, I need to leave. Like I'm not feeling good, but I appreciate the debate. It was interesting

02:32:18.460 and fun. Do you want to give a closing statement? My closing statement is that I love to learn and

02:32:25.520 to meet new people. And I wasn't putting my medical issue aside for money. I didn't know

02:32:33.140 how long this was going to be. That was my fault. I will admit, but I appreciate like learning new

02:32:37.680 perspectives. I was hoping this would be a more calm and demure experience. Cause I've been trying

02:32:43.140 to be more, you know, about, about facts and negotiating, but I appreciate the time that I've

02:32:48.340 had here. Um, and I'm, you know, looking forward to learning more about you both. So wait, what does

02:32:54.620 that mean? Um, I just, I mean like, like learning more about, like I knew about your network before

02:32:59.400 coming in. I had seen some videos, but now I'm more interested in like you guys. Yeah. So, um,

02:33:04.020 what about this? We'll double, we'll double, uh, but we add two hours on top. So that's, uh,

02:33:12.640 it's like, we'll double it. I'm not going to ask the audience. We'll double it. Whatever podcast

02:33:16.520 will double it. Right. Uh, you stay, if I didn't have an actual issue, I would stay for the money.

02:33:23.780 Like if that makes sense, but I, I, I like have to go. So I'm going to go like, it's not like a money

02:33:29.100 thing. Are you willing to stay for Andrew's closing statement and a few chats? Yeah, I will

02:33:36.000 stay for that, but can we make it five minutes? Okay. 10 minutes. That's fair. That seems fair.

02:33:41.220 I mean, I'm, I literally just, here, just, we got Leonidas here. Listen to Leonidas. Then Andrew's

02:33:46.100 going to give his closing statement. Leonidas donated $100. Highly curious age of kids. You teach

02:33:52.980 also what is a woman? Also are women as a group oppressed in the USA? If so, how are you

02:34:01.240 oppressed? If so, how, and are men as a group oppressed? And you said you're an educator.

02:34:08.360 Are you teaching? Like, are you, I'm a, I'm a private tutor and I'm also a substitute teacher

02:34:13.500 and I teach in, you know, three primary high schools in Chicago. Um, yeah. So you teach like,

02:34:19.680 uh, elementary school kids? No, high school. Oh, high school. Okay. Uh, he asked, what is

02:34:23.580 a woman? Quick answer if you can. I think, um, a woman is someone who is, I mean, it depends

02:34:30.100 like biologically female is different from being a woman, but someone who's a woman is someone

02:34:34.440 who's characteristically a person who, um, you know, associates themselves with femininity

02:34:40.540 and that is open to interpretation of who wants to identify as one. If I may just ask one

02:34:44.980 clarifying question, can a, uh, can a female become a male or can a male become a female?

02:34:51.580 Like biologically speaking, I believe like, you know, the sexes of male and female, but I think if

02:34:56.780 a person wants to be a woman or a man, absolutely. Yeah. Uh, and then, uh, are women as a group

02:35:01.540 oppressed in the USA? Your answer? Um, I think it's possible, but I really need to leave. May I

02:35:07.680 just at least, can you stay for Andrew's clothes? No, I don't. Look, we're not, we're not

02:35:12.560 kidnapping you. We're just, I'm just asking if you can at least stay. But you said you could

02:35:18.680 stay five minutes. Come on. I'm leaving. I mean, what? No, I'm going, but I hope you guys

02:35:25.100 have a good day. Thank you for the experience. Are you oppressed? Do you want to just answer

02:35:35.240 that? You don't need to say into the mic. Just yell it out. Maybe that's my closing statement,

02:35:44.320 but for champagne, for champagne pop, you guys were here for those for champagne pop. I will

02:35:52.480 send you the Andrew Wilson notepad with a special note right here for all my feminist, um, little

02:35:58.060 notes that I took along with the complete and total dominant victory. I win. I fucking win.

02:36:04.880 Just saying. It does say, I just, I just want to point. I win. I think that was a pretty,

02:36:12.280 I mean, that's a pretty decisive victory. Pretty, pretty decisive. I'd like to congratulate

02:36:15.760 you on your victory as the moderator. Pretty happy. Pretty happy about it. Not upset a bit.

02:36:20.860 The thing is, is like, um, I, why, why are they so fucking, you know, these are the fucking

02:36:28.520 ass kickers. Oh, women can fucking be in the military and ninja up men. They fucking get in

02:36:34.280 a debate with them and suddenly they're fucking crying and shit. You barely say anything, barely

02:36:38.260 say anything. Fucking tired of it, dude. Tired of it. Fucking She-Ra on the one hand. And then

02:36:46.100 on the other hand, they're so sensitive. They just break immediately because you're just talking

02:36:49.500 about, you're having a fucking debate. What does she think of debate? Well, you know what it is? I

02:36:53.480 know what it is. They think a debate is they hit the mute button on Tik TOK and then just talk,

02:36:59.300 talk at you. That's what they think a fucking debate is. And you were, there was like a,

02:37:06.680 both of you were doing it. They're a little like, uh, mocking each other, which is fair.

02:37:13.460 It's a debate. It's rhetoric. It's rhetoric. I, you know, look, uh, she had a bit of a tone.

02:37:18.140 The men, the men do it. The men do it. We want equality. It was there not a man yesterday who

02:37:24.620 we were going back and forth, lots of mocking going on shit like that. Well, that guy on

02:37:29.040 Thursday too. Yeah. And did it look like, did it look like anybody was called quiet?

02:37:36.780 Well, you know, it's interesting, Andrew, you've raised this point before is that, you know,

02:37:41.420 you're treating them as equals because you, when you're debating a man, so you conduct yourself in

02:37:50.380 the same way, exactly the same way. And so you're giving her equality, basically I'm, you, you tend

02:37:58.160 to word this a little better than I do. I'm, I'm treating her exactly like I would treat a man,

02:38:01.820 which is exactly what she demands. I do, which is wild to me. And you know, we've had so many debates

02:38:08.020 now. Nobody can say any different. Nobody could ever accuse Andrew Wilson of not being the same

02:38:12.760 universally with men and women. The, and the, the thing is, is like, look at the reaction and

02:38:16.900 there's, and they, they pretend that they want, give me a fucking break. They like a fucking cheap

02:38:24.420 chair. I barely even pushed on the worldview. I barely even pushed on. She had 10 topics. I had

02:38:29.660 one topic. We get to my topic first. The rest of it's going to be a critique back. And what happens

02:38:34.580 folds right away? Fucking ridiculous. Andrew, let me ask you, uh, can you ask the audience to

02:38:41.440 like the video? We need to like, we need likes on the ladies and gentlemen, especially those of you

02:38:46.000 watching live from the crucible who right now are putting W's in the chat and you better get the

02:38:49.520 fuck over here on whatever and put W's in the chat here as well. Please like the video and send in

02:38:55.560 just hundreds and hundreds of dollars for the kindness of Brian. He did, by the way, in his own

02:39:00.540 dime, fly me out here. He did take care of the hotel rooms. We do want to, we do want to, we do

02:39:06.580 want to play the kickback game. Remember the crucibles motto is always, we take care of the people

02:39:10.560 who take care of us. Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate that. And, uh, by the way, I just, you know, I was

02:39:17.240 getting a little heat in the chat at the beginning of the show when I was kind of trying to moderate,

02:39:22.400 trying my best to, it's an impossible, it's an impossible position for Brian to be in. For those of

02:39:27.640 you who think, well, that's not really fair or Brian's being too nice or something like this.

02:39:33.140 Brian's job is to keep the debate on course. It's a way harder job than you think when you have such

02:39:38.360 ideological distinctions, you're trying to keep the peace, cut them a little slack. I've been in his

02:39:43.480 chair hundreds of times, not that chair, but been in the moderator chair hundreds of times. And I'm

02:39:48.980 telling you, it's a harder job than you think. Guys, if you want, get in some chats here, a hundred

02:39:54.540 dollar TTS. If you want, uh, maybe we'll, uh, if you're fine with an Andrew, we'll, we'll probably

02:40:00.040 try to wrap this earlier than we have been usually, but maybe we'll lower the TTS a little

02:40:04.320 bit. Let some audience questions come through. Let them roll, man. Yeah. And by the way, I, I, I win.

02:40:10.140 Oh, were you playing hangman or no? Oh, you went. Yeah. Well, that was the four letter. That was the

02:40:14.060 four. That was going to be, I win. I thought it was clever here. I'm going to read pretty good for a guy

02:40:18.500 with an average IQ against a one 50 IQ. Whoo. You know, it's funny actually, Andrew, the, that

02:40:23.700 woman on Twitter who was, who she challenged you to do a IQ test IQ test. And then we, yeah. And

02:40:30.020 Brian contacted her. It was jiggly and said, okay, I'll, we'll, we'll do it. He would get a

02:40:34.280 person in here who was unbiased to give the IQ test and guess who didn't want to do one.

02:40:41.000 Yeah. We're, she said, you know, I've been waiting on her to try to give me a date.

02:40:46.100 She's not going to do it. She's not going to do an IQ test because she was a DEI higher.

02:40:51.000 We have Kakashi thing for the super chat. Thanks to Andrew and Brian for pressing feminist women

02:40:55.040 and men for their weak worldviews from the outside. Looking in seems like what these debates are

02:41:00.380 asking feminists to do is uphold worldviews to a standard. Sometimes the answer is not. It depends.

02:41:05.880 It's relative. Thank you Kakashi for that. Lenny thing for the gifted membership. Appreciate it.

02:41:10.740 Thank you. Thank you. If you guys, if you want, and thank you, by the way, to once again,

02:41:15.900 the whatever audience for being kind enough to host me, it's always a pleasure to see you guys.

02:41:22.200 I know that there's a, there's a bit of cross pollination where you guys come over and chat

02:41:25.900 with me in the discord from time to time. I really do appreciate that.

02:41:29.740 All right. Here's what we're going to do guys. We'll do if you will do like Q and a for a little

02:41:33.360 bit, we're going to lower it to a $69 TTS. Give me a sec to get that going. I'll let some chats come

02:41:38.840 through here. Maybe Andrew can answer some of them. And I do apologize. I know some of you guys

02:41:43.300 directed these chats at her, but she left. She rage quit. Nothing I can do, but I'll let

02:41:47.980 them come through. Thank you, Jason. Appreciate it. Jason Castle donated $100. A hostile environment.

02:41:54.800 What are you implying that you feel threatened by Andrew and Brian because they are asking

02:41:59.760 questions? You really are Boz. You are trying to hurt their reputation. Real Boz. Well, and Brian did

02:42:07.420 every, do you know why Brian tried to extend that? He was trying to extend it so that she could

02:42:11.700 meet her agreement so that he could pay her out. That was the ultimate fucking kindness. He was

02:42:16.600 trying to extend it to make sure that she met her into the obligation and she just refused. She just

02:42:21.760 adamantly refused. In fact, told Brian, stuff your odd stuff, stuff what our end is in our deal. Somebody

02:42:27.420 else offered me a higher bid. I bid you adieu. And it's like, you think, well, Brian, why is Brian

02:42:33.540 trying to keep her here? Well, he's just trying to make sure that she upholds her end of the,

02:42:37.920 of the contract, right? Yeah. And not, I mean, not to mention also, you know, we have, we've had a lot

02:42:45.260 of scheduled things for Andrew so far, but we had this scheduled for him today. He flew all the way

02:42:51.580 from Michigan. Yeah. You know, the flight, the hotel, all that. Not to mention his preparation

02:42:58.080 for the debate, which Andrew does significant preparation for the shows and don't want wasted

02:43:05.060 time and money for, for either of us. So that's just, yeah. Anyways, um, we have Michael G here.

02:43:11.620 I live for the rage quit. Now we get quality bro time. That's right. Uh, her asking the moderator,

02:43:18.040 she was a, if she could leave is proof her worldview shattered. The patriarchy wins again. The second,

02:43:24.100 the second, I can tell you the exact moment it was, one of you guys can clip it. The exact moment

02:43:27.800 was when I said, how is that not you appealing to the patriarchy? And the, the thing that she said

02:43:33.020 is she went through it and she was like, well, it is true that we have to appeal to the government,

02:43:36.200 which is mostly run by mint. And then went like this. And that was it. That's when it shattered.

02:43:43.400 Just so you guys know, you can look that up. I took a little note in my notepad. It was right then

02:43:48.620 that it clicked. I should actually, I've got Patrice there. I should actually put a black

02:43:54.800 crystal, black crystal. Yeah. Yeah. I'll just leave this one here. All right. They're crystals.

02:44:01.660 The pink one seems a little gendered, Brian, you know that. Yeah, it seems a little bit gendered.

02:44:08.500 Uh, all right. We have, uh, thank you Michael for that. Appreciate it. Uh, let me get, I need to get

02:44:14.080 everything changed, but I'll try to get these, uh, coming through here. One moment guys. And guys,

02:44:19.840 if you're enjoying the stream, once again, like the video, we have Christopher Murphy for the fund.

02:44:24.300 Christopher Murphy donated $100. I tried, I tried. Well, it's going to go into the Brian back pocket

02:44:30.900 fund, which he deserves. He took, um, you know, he, he, he spent, uh, several, for those of you who

02:44:37.880 don't know, let me give you a little bit of backstory. Brian's has spent several weeks, several weeks,

02:44:44.080 in fact, it was over a month. Um, you know, pre-setting these up in order to meet with my

02:44:49.980 schedule appropriately so that everybody can kind of converge at the same time, uh, for the purposes

02:44:55.500 of getting these debates done, the panels done, this and that. It's a lot of work. You know what

02:45:00.820 I mean? It's a lot of work. And you can imagine flying people from all over the country from

02:45:05.060 different locations into one location, setting them up in the hotels, airplane tickets, uh, all of that.

02:45:10.340 It's a ton of work. You know what I mean? So credit where credit's due. We, uh, you know,

02:45:15.740 a month in advance, all of these were planned and so far, I gotta say they've gone pretty well.

02:45:21.920 Yeah. These have been some really good shows and, uh, yeah, there's a lot that goes into

02:45:26.440 doing the guest booking and, you know, there's people who are in, they cancel, got to bring somebody

02:45:32.220 else in. And, uh, well, especially the, the, and you've probably encountered this because you

02:45:37.220 request to debate people. It's, uh, it's difficult to get left-leaning Democrat feminist people to

02:45:46.200 step outside their, uh, their mute button. Yeah. So it's difficult to get, it's difficult to get,

02:45:51.560 uh, opposition who will debate, uh, who will actually show up and debate. Um, and he's right

02:45:58.900 about that. Not only is he right about this, but let me give you, um, an interesting example. So

02:46:03.680 you guys have been live with me many times during the TikTok invasions. You might as well call them

02:46:09.260 the mute Andrew invasions because the second I make a point muted and then over talking,

02:46:13.460 what happened here was immediately, I can tell you how this went. It was this idea of social

02:46:19.880 dominance. So the idea started with like, you will not do this. And the idea of me laughing and

02:46:24.300 scoffing at the very idea that you're going to govern how I debate, that was it. The second it was,

02:46:30.740 the realization is, well, I can't control the tone. I can't mute. I can't threaten. I can't abuse.

02:46:37.760 That's when it was over. Right. And so then the worldview collapses shortly after there, because

02:46:43.540 you, you don't have any control anymore over what the opponent's asking or what the debate,

02:46:48.900 um, you know, is over where I take it or where you take it is no longer specifically up to you.

02:46:55.440 This whole thing, all of this, by the way, just so that you know, was about one thing. It wasn't

02:47:00.880 about no chick being fucking sick. Don't be stupid. It wasn't about no fucking health issues. Don't be

02:47:06.320 stupid. It was about one thing. And that was, I want control and I don't have it. And that's it.

02:47:13.980 And for any of you who wanted to know what feminist ideology is really like in front of a patriarch,

02:47:18.240 you just saw it. And it, well, in front, not a patriarch, but in front of the patriarchy,

02:47:22.560 right? In front of anybody who won't kowtow to a feminist, that's actually what usually happens.

02:47:28.160 And then they go appeal to simps and the simps need to come beat me up and do this to me. You know

02:47:32.540 what I mean? That's how they actually run their, um, their ideology, their ideological worldviews,

02:47:37.740 their NGOs or all their bull. That's how they run it.

02:47:40.020 All right, guys, we've gotten the TTS lowered $69 TTS on that point though, Andrew, um, do you think

02:47:48.400 some of that was, um, performative manipulation? Of course, of course. But it starts with this idea.

02:47:57.560 The idea was like, you will do this. And the second, the second there's no kowtowing and I say,

02:48:06.220 no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to have a legitimate debate. Like I always,

02:48:10.020 do that's it, right? What do you mean? I can't threaten. I can't coerce. I can't browbeat. I

02:48:17.820 can't do this. And then the second that now what happens when all of that fails, what happened?

02:48:22.880 The waterworks, the final form of manipulation. Oh, I can't coerce. I can't threaten. I can't do

02:48:28.020 this. This guy doesn't give a shit. He doesn't care if I rage quit, right? He doesn't, he doesn't

02:48:31.960 care. He's here to have a debate. Then came the manipulation. That's the waterworks. I have a

02:48:37.240 the, the, the, the health could, you know, and I'll cry. But what did she say? I'll

02:48:42.140 cry on camera for enough money. Don't tell me it's not fucking manipulation. I'll cry on

02:48:46.260 camera for enough money, Brian. Wait, did she say that? Yeah. She said, I'll stay and cry

02:48:49.620 on camera if it's for a thousand dollars. Oh man. That's wild. It's unbelievable. And

02:48:54.860 like you guys, you guys, you know exactly what I'm telling you. You see how many hundreds

02:48:58.400 of these have you seen now with me and feminists? It's always the same shit. If they can't control

02:49:04.180 or dominate, right, they lose their fucking minds. Uh, Kaibaka again, I'm sorry. I don't

02:49:10.700 know why stream labs keeps doing this. Uh, she looks like she gifted 20. Yo, Kaibaka

02:49:18.200 think for 20 gifted memberships over there on Twitch. We're going to let, we're going to

02:49:22.400 let you see Michael. I'll pull it up in just a sec. Let me, uh, let me get these stream

02:49:28.460 labs though. We have peace craft here. Hey, peace craft. Thank you. Peace craft donated

02:49:32.940 $100. I strongly support the woman's right to pro-choice and you should pro-choose to

02:49:39.340 get the flowers out of the debate chair after getting your bunnies paddled. Refund the degree.

02:49:47.540 Almost for that, Mr. Peacecraft should be allowed back in the discord mystery. Just for that comment,

02:49:53.400 you know, make it so. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I can see peace craft already seething.

02:49:58.320 I do love you. Peace craft. You know that we have Lucas here on stream labs. Thank you.

02:50:02.480 Lucas donated $100. Appreciate it, man. One slash hell no dot screw the tone policing and her

02:50:08.460 playing the crying woman card. Toughen up buttercup dot. There are a shit ton of female

02:50:13.720 attorneys that are total beasts. Do you think Camille Vasquez, Johnny Depp to which he continues.

02:50:21.720 And it's hard for me to argue with that because I've had feminists across from me who go right

02:50:26.280 for the jugular and they're brutal debaters and I'm like, you know, fucking yeah, here we go. You

02:50:31.880 know what I mean? Let's fucking do this. What a fucking disappointment. What a fucking disappointment.

02:50:38.660 Right. And you know what? She, she could have just made arguments. Yeah. She could have just made

02:50:44.340 arguments. I would have loved that. That would have been good. But half the time it was tone

02:50:49.140 policing and yeah. So, uh, we have Lucas with his continued message here. Thank you. Lucas donated

02:50:55.320 $100 to slash dot dot would have whimpered out like this manipulative snowflake. You should be

02:51:02.500 embarrassed. The world has no obligation to coddle you and cater to your weak constitution. Especially

02:51:08.220 when you're saying that women are not in a position of privilege, but are instead the oppressed

02:51:11.940 class and that they deserve the equality with men, you can't even sit across with one and

02:51:16.380 have a fucking debate. You, I, you guys, you don't even have a perspective because it's

02:51:21.300 on camera. This table is really long across, right? We're not that close to each other at

02:51:28.220 all. Like there's no, there's just nothing. You know what I mean? Like the whole thing is

02:51:35.120 fucking cope. That's why the waterworks happened. You really believe this. Do any of you really

02:51:39.940 believe that suddenly this chick forgot she had a medical condition that she didn't previously

02:51:45.600 disclose? Suddenly she's crying because of this medical condition. And on top of that,

02:51:51.040 didn't do any research on how long these debates go, even though Brian asked her, haven't you

02:51:55.460 done research? And she's like, yeah, the last two have been about five hours plus. So she

02:51:59.680 knew it's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit.

02:52:03.080 Also just, I want to add one point of clarification. I originally reached out back, I reached out

02:52:11.200 to her March 28th of this year. So that's almost two months ago, asking if she would like to come

02:52:19.500 do a debate on our podcast. And let's see. Yeah. And I think we, we locked it in.

02:52:28.280 Uh, well, how does that feel for an almost a hundred IQ guy? If I'm lucky on a good day

02:52:33.480 against a one 50 IQ or Brian, how that must all of those degrees and all that big IQ, you

02:52:41.420 know, to some guy who fucking is drinking some mixed vodka and soda drink, very masculine

02:52:47.080 drink you have there in your hand. That wasn't like a shot. Was it Brian? That wasn't a shot.

02:52:52.840 No, not a shot. Fucker. Not a shot. It is a masculine. It's very masculine drink.

02:53:00.540 We got Shaw here coming in. Hey Shaw. Thank you, man.

02:53:03.180 Shaw XD donated $69. What are the odds she was soliciting excuses to leave each break she

02:53:10.040 took? Seems pretty high to me. I suppose in fairness to her, having your world view dismantled

02:53:16.460 is pretty painful. There's no way he's not right. I've been there. Oh, well, a couple things.

02:53:20.320 You remember when her phone went off? Yeah. I could, I guarantee you, she probably didn't

02:53:25.560 end up using the excuse, but it was like, Oh, somebody's calling me. Uh, you, you know,

02:53:31.280 you ever like, how do I get out of a situation? Okay. Call me in 10 minutes. Tell me I got to

02:53:34.800 go. What happened was she made the excuse to go into the bathroom to make the text. And then,

02:53:39.320 right. That's yeah. The whole thing was, yeah, it was set up for sure. He's right. Tell me he's not

02:53:46.100 right. Well, and what's weird though, is who would offer to like the conversation was pretty

02:53:51.900 tame. It was, it was especially look maybe at the beginning it was what even at the beginning

02:53:57.000 when there was a, a modicum of heat, it wouldn't have warranted. I need to leave. But then that

02:54:04.400 passed the conversation. She was losing the debate, but the conversation was fine. Yeah. Conversation

02:54:11.820 was fine. No need to leave at that point, but whatever. Uh, we'll let the rest of these

02:54:16.300 chats come through. We have, but you know what she'll do? I, Sancho donated $100. Wait, wait,

02:54:25.620 she can handle teaching at three Chicago high schools, but the slightest, she gets crippling

02:54:31.880 headaches. What a load. Oh, a total bullshit. That's a good, that's a really total bullshit.

02:54:36.720 Well, not just that bro. Like Sancho, let's point this out that, um, Brian was extremely

02:54:44.560 charitable and we came down on her end, came down on her end and was like, no, this is

02:54:49.360 going to go, uh, Andrew, you're going to ABC and D. And I was like, okay, I'll conform

02:54:54.600 to the moderator. Now that's part of my agreement. Part of my agreement when I come on the show

02:54:57.920 is that yes, I will adhere to moderation. And I've always been pretty good about doing that.

02:55:02.700 There's sometimes where I get maybe upset with the moderator as every debater is going

02:55:07.700 to do. Right. But I, that's part of the agreement is to adhere to moderation. That's what makes

02:55:12.280 a debate fair. There is no fucking way, no way that this wasn't a setup dude, where she

02:55:18.480 was setting up an exit strategy when she realized she was losing and losing quickly.

02:55:24.420 And with the phone also, this, do you think that, uh, and it hasn't come up too much in previous

02:55:31.980 debates, we should disallow phone usage. Do you think that that like neither person can

02:55:38.560 use their phone? I think cause she was on it. I think it's fair. I'm like, I'm okay when

02:55:43.640 people are bringing up stats and she's like, let's pull up the stats. You're going to have

02:55:47.820 some way to do that in a legitimate debate. You should be able to pull up the stats that

02:55:52.000 you want. But what happened was I crushed her with the stats immediately. And what, what

02:55:57.140 got her immediately was she was like, well, I just looked those up and I can't find them

02:56:01.200 anywhere. Do you know how long that comprehensive analysis is? And I'm like, there's no fucking

02:56:07.920 way. And one of the chatters points out, he's like, go to page this, this, this, everything

02:56:12.140 Andrew's saying is right there. Oh, but I looked, she didn't look what she was not prepared for

02:56:17.600 the argument. And neither are most of these sociologists who are feminists. They're never

02:56:22.120 prepared for the argument that these people are fucking wrong about their stats. They're

02:56:26.940 wrong about the things that they're saying. They're not telling you the truth about any

02:56:30.400 of this. Feminism has led to far more abuse of women than anything a patriarchal system could

02:56:36.560 ever even envision.

02:56:40.580 So you think allow the phones, I think you should allow the phones for the purposes of stats.

02:56:45.600 I don't think that like chat GP, GPT and an argument is legit, but I think that if we're

02:56:50.680 doing statistics or we're pulling up studies, I need to be able to look at what she's

02:56:55.420 referencing. She needs to, like, I'm fine with that.

02:56:58.280 Got it. Got some chat here.

02:57:00.280 I mean, that seems fair, right?

02:57:01.440 Intel and Wilde donated $69. The only thing $150 about this chick is the weight scale.

02:57:08.740 I guess this is the roast session. All right.

02:57:16.480 What do you think about this though? And we could say, and I don't know if this is

02:57:20.400 too little or wouldn't be helpful, but instead of phones, no phones, each person can request

02:57:26.440 to look up up to three studies or should there not be a limit?

02:57:32.060 Yeah. So the way, the way that I always did it was I would always say, take your three best

02:57:36.620 support studies you're going to reference and then send those in before the show. I'll send

02:57:40.600 them to the, to your debate adversary. He'll send you his.

02:57:43.540 Yeah.

02:57:44.060 Then both of you can have your refutations, but anything external, those refutations are

02:57:48.440 unacceptable.

02:57:49.400 Okay. Got it.

02:57:50.700 Does that make sense?

02:57:51.460 Yeah. No, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.

02:57:53.300 That's how, because my studies come up a lot.

02:57:55.660 Yep.

02:57:55.920 So what is, uh, when you're debating somebody, is there an argument? Like if somebody does

02:58:04.420 say, well, where's the study? Isn't there an argument that you can make? Like, I don't

02:58:09.500 need a study.

02:58:10.640 Of course you can use, you can use logical argumentation. You can use even intuitive

02:58:15.040 argumentation. You can use all sorts of different arguments and you can also say, well, it's an

02:58:19.440 appeal to authority anyway. The second she said, you're right. Sociology suffers from a replication

02:58:24.580 crisis. You're right that it's about 60, 70%. That's enough intuitive evidence for us to

02:58:30.200 fucking dismiss anything we're reading. You can imagine if I was like here, this will

02:58:34.940 cure you 70% chance that it kills you. What would you take the pill? No, no. So why would

02:58:42.400 you believe the study? If I said, this is true, but there's a 70% chance it's wrong. Would

02:58:47.500 you bank on the truth of that? No, no, no, no. That's it. No. And didn't you bring this

02:58:53.960 up during the debate, the replication crisis with a lot of these studies? It's, they do

02:58:59.000 the one and then there's a bunch of bias too. Like they're seeking. So here's how, yeah,

02:59:03.700 yeah. So here's how this works. The problem with the falsification of science, and this

02:59:08.860 is not the way science is supposed to be done, by the way. The problem with the falsification

02:59:13.300 is this. If you have like a newer study, especially a sociological study, there's nothing that's

02:59:20.720 going to come for a while that refutes it or looks at the methodology. That's going to

02:59:24.200 take a while, usually a year, sometimes two, sometimes three. But because this study hits

02:59:28.940 the market, people reference it. They then ask this question, where's the refutation to

02:59:34.360 the study? This is what current science tells us. But that's not true. It's not scientific.

02:59:40.100 It's not really scientific at all. And the truth is, is they present that as being evidence

02:59:45.300 knowing that a refutation is likely right around the corner. That's how indoctrination works.

02:59:49.700 That's why so many people know so much that isn't true. I started the debate by pointing

02:59:53.960 out there's a refutation for this. She made this TikTok video not very long ago. I point

02:59:59.660 out the refutation to this study. She didn't even bother to look up the refutation to it.

03:00:04.400 That falsified it, said that it fell under the replication crisis essentially. And what do we

03:00:09.100 get? We get like, no, no, that's just not true. Well, have you looked at it? Well, no.

03:00:14.240 How do you know it's not true? Well, I don't know. You know what I mean? She never even

03:00:17.400 bothered to look at her own sources. It's affirming the bias. They always affirm the

03:00:21.480 bias. So always be careful when somebody says, well, here's what the data says. And then it's

03:00:25.840 like a study from 2023, 2024. That's the most recent. But that doesn't mean it's fucking

03:00:33.300 correct. Hmm. Uh, we have a big, uh, Z here with the champagne poppet after the end of

03:00:42.440 the debate. Thank you, man. That's pop champagne. So congrats on the win, Andrew. And thank you.

03:00:48.160 We send him the notepad. Enjoy. Do you want the, I didn't message that. Do you want the, I

03:00:53.140 win? Wait, I think, should we, should we, uh, we got to wrap up the notepad. You want

03:00:57.640 the, I win the big, and I'll, I'll sign it for you too with your name. Do you want the

03:01:02.860 I win notepad? Cause we'll send it to you. I wish we could have her cope notes though.

03:01:09.500 That would be even better. The cope notes, the cope notes from her. Oh yeah. She left her

03:01:16.160 a little. Yeah. That would have been great. Oh, you got it, bro. There we go. All right.

03:01:22.000 Brian, can I ask you something? And the audience is dying to know this. What? You've opened

03:01:27.120 like 200 bottles of champagne. You still fucking suck at it. How is that possible? How is it

03:01:33.200 possible? You still 200, you still suck at it. That was, that was a sub 30 second fucking

03:01:40.340 ridiculous, dude. Look, you know what, you know what's happened and this is backed up by

03:01:45.600 science. You're supposed to store champagne bottles on the side. Otherwise if you store it

03:01:51.940 vertical like this, the cork starts to dry out, it becomes very difficult to open it. And so

03:01:58.440 you got away from it. What the, you got away from me, Andrew. I was testing it to make sure

03:02:03.100 you didn't spoil it. That's backed by science. The latest studies say. So that's what's been,

03:02:13.640 that's why it was so difficult to open them. I've now been storing, storing them horizontally.

03:02:18.980 So, uh, cheers to you, Andrew. Cheers to Z. Thank you, Z. Salud.

03:02:24.140 There's only one way to do this. Cheers. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Cheers to the

03:02:28.460 whatever podcast audience. It is through you guys and all of the viewers that all of this

03:02:34.340 is made possible. And I sure hope to God you're having a great time because I'm doing everything

03:02:39.660 I can possibly do to make sure you do. Salud. Cheers.

03:02:45.940 Even my haters. I couldn't have haters if I didn't entertain you too.

03:02:52.380 Got a lot of chats coming through, so I'm going to get them. Hoop. Guys, if you want,

03:02:56.820 $69 TTS, streamlabs.com slash whatever. Hooplinaro. Thank you, man.

03:03:01.820 Hooplinaro donated $69. Appreciate it.

03:03:04.800 Andrew, if you could recommend two books, one nonfiction, preferably about logic,

03:03:10.220 critical thinking, parsing out ideas, and one fiction, what would they be?

03:03:15.380 I would recommend Faith of the Fallen as the fictional book by Terry Goodkind. That's a great

03:03:21.380 one. It's just a, it's just a great story. And then the, it's a little libertarian for my liking,

03:03:27.120 but I would still get it. And then the first one I would recommend, I believe it's by Will Durant

03:03:32.160 and it's called The History of Philosophy. It's a fantastic book. I've read it a couple of times

03:03:38.040 and I really like it, not just because he goes into the arguments a bit, but he goes into why

03:03:43.060 the various philosophers started coming to this through their life experiences, which I thought

03:03:47.980 was pretty interesting. We have USMC coming in. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

03:03:55.660 You know what's interesting, Andrew, is, uh, two decades ago when I was in high school, I was on the

03:04:14.080 wrestling team and there's a, there's a strategy that you can employ in wrestling. Uh, it's called

03:04:20.360 stalling. This is also something that you see in other martial arts, MMA, jujitsu. I think a lot of

03:04:27.640 what she was doing was stalling. She, she knew probably pretty quickly that she was outmatched

03:04:34.220 and some of her, uh, some of her tone policing stuff, the, you know, breaks, breaks, stalling,

03:04:43.020 stalling because she didn't want to actually engage with your arguments. And I think that's what

03:04:48.060 a good portion of it was. I don't, I don't disagree. I also think though, like, I don't want

03:04:55.040 you to undermine her undersell because I've dealt with so many feminists, this idea of control.

03:05:01.740 You have to understand, like, think of it from their perspective. They're on Tik TOK and, and

03:05:05.580 Instagram places like this where they'll have controlled conversations where all opposition is

03:05:11.260 muted, spoken over dominated right here. That's not possible. Imagine the panic you would feel.

03:05:19.840 Yeah. You know, wait, this person, I can't just mute him. I'm going to have to actually engage.

03:05:26.420 This is going to make me look fucking terrible. Yep. You know what I mean? That would instill a

03:05:30.740 massive sense of panic in somebody. Yeah. And how many times crucible crew, have you seen this?

03:05:35.640 These people panic because they actually have to defend the world. It's fucking crazy.

03:05:40.660 Well, I've seen your, your Tik TOK invasions and, and I've participated just, you know, I'll be,

03:05:47.020 I'll have a one or two hours. Sure. I'll hop on Tik TOK and I'll just hop into these.

03:05:51.340 Always welcome on the invasions. You'll get like 10 words in and they're like, Oh, and then they,

03:05:56.280 you, they mute you. And if you, they, they mute you and then they just talk, talk, talk, talk,

03:06:02.160 talk, and then they eventually kick you. The criticism sometimes, you know, the, here at the

03:06:06.400 whatever podcast, we get some criticisms like, well, you know, you guys, uh, have kicked people

03:06:11.500 out or you have, we have an option where you can mute somebody, which has happened like a dozen

03:06:16.840 times, maybe total for people who are super problematic. Oh, it's often used not because

03:06:22.500 somebody is winning an argument, but because they're like literally yelling into the microphone

03:06:27.360 or they're just hogging the, well, but isn't that kind of like the most diplomatic approach

03:06:32.200 when you think about it, the most diplomatic approach is not to try to shut them down or

03:06:36.040 this or that, but say, Hey, you know, the show has to make some money and ha ha ha. You know,

03:06:40.500 somebody muted your mic. That feels very diplomatic to me. Yeah. You know, and non abrasive.

03:06:46.260 And, and not to mention also because it's a panel show, you know, if one mic is muted, it,

03:06:52.820 other people can speak to, which is kind of the point. So, uh, but I mean, you've encountered

03:06:57.280 that yourself, you've debated with, uh, Dean and it's been hundreds and hundreds of times

03:07:03.580 the crystal crew has run into the problem. Now we have a way in which we deal with it.

03:07:10.340 And, um, usually with those particular people, we didn't never have that problem again,

03:07:15.000 interestingly enough, cause there is a way in which you deal with it. But the truth is,

03:07:19.220 is that I, I'm not going to undersell it because I think for sure there is a sense of panic,

03:07:24.580 which wells up when the control aspect is gone and you actually have to do the defense aspect.

03:07:32.260 Yep. Got feminist lover here. Feminist underscore lover donated 69.

03:07:38.840 Thank you very much. 150 IQ or BMI. Anyways, got put onto the pod after the recent Jay Dyer episodes

03:07:46.720 and got to say, you guys are both awesome. Thank you. Keep it up and thanks for the entertainment

03:07:51.420 and wisdom. Of course. Thank you. Feminist lover. Interesting name there. Got Spyro. Thank you,

03:08:00.140 Spyro. Appreciate it. Spyro, the master programmer donated $69. Not only did we witness why a lot

03:08:07.300 of feminists can't actually defend their positions. You also just saw why software slash websites slash

03:08:14.680 video games tech in general has degraded. This thinking is a mind virus. By the way, for,

03:08:20.960 because you don't know this, I know Spyro pretty well. I would actually consider him a buddy. Um,

03:08:28.260 and Spyro has been working behind the scenes kind of tirelessly to expose what's been, what's been

03:08:34.600 going on in software video games with, uh, the woke mind virus and why that stuff seems like it's so shit

03:08:40.360 now. Highly recommend his channel. Uh, I think it's called now you can hop into my discord if I'm

03:08:47.340 wrong about this. I think it's called Spyro floropolis maybe. Um, but it's, it's a great channel

03:08:53.220 and, uh, he hasn't updated it as much as he should cause you're fucking lazy Spyro, but you really

03:08:58.580 should get back on that. Well, I mean, don't they just get into like the HR departments, but I mean,

03:09:02.880 I've seen that. No, no, no. It's things like this. Like you can't say, you know how, like you have

03:09:07.560 hard drives on your computer. You can't say slave master drive now. Oh yeah. Like shit. I'm not

03:09:13.560 kidding. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. What you're in, uh, the, the chat doesn't like all

03:09:18.180 my, uh, world of Warcraft references, but you know, what's crazy. So, um, and I think we actually

03:09:24.740 reacted to this on the dating talk. I don't know if you were there. So it used to be world of Warcraft.

03:09:29.760 I came out 2004, 2005, two decades ago, the character creation screen, you know, when you create a

03:09:36.020 character in a game or whatever, it used to have the gender symbols, the male or the sex

03:09:40.800 symbols, male, female. They've now, there's a bunch of other examples in this game. Blizzard

03:09:45.660 is completely captured. Ideologically captured. They've redone a lot of their art assets, uh,

03:09:53.240 in, in Hearthstone, in, uh, to make it more homogenous. They've changed the name. Uh, well,

03:09:59.980 so for the, the, uh, gender symbols, the, the sex symbols, they changed it instead from those to like

03:10:06.440 just body type. So there's body type one, body type two. There's no longer male, female, man,

03:10:12.300 woman. Uh, they've renamed items. Like for example, there used to be, uh, Finkel's Skinner stupid.

03:10:21.660 It's a, and they changed the name because it was a reference to the Ace Ventura movie,

03:10:26.500 which he was making a joke about transgenders back in the nineties, by the way. So, well,

03:10:32.880 I would say this Spyro goes like, these are good references, but he goes in depth into the

03:10:39.160 programming side of it. The what's going on in the, yeah, what's going on inside of the programming

03:10:43.840 side of it and how detrimental it is and why you see such shit coming out for programs because it

03:10:50.520 takes some, like he explained it to me one night and he's, he's a fucking smart guy. Right. And like,

03:10:55.260 and so it's hard for me to keep up with it, but he's like, look, if I broke this down to you,

03:10:59.640 how these programmers have changed the language, we can't communicate anymore. It used to be a

03:11:04.540 universal language. Right. And now they have to learn all sorts of new code and this and that

03:11:09.240 for the purpose of what nobody's even going to see it. You know what I mean? Crazy. You know,

03:11:16.780 you know what I was just thinking is maybe we could, we should have tagged in all of her.

03:11:21.920 Oh, but he, he's gone. Yeah, he's, yeah, yeah. Oliver's gone. All right. Uh, more chats coming

03:11:28.700 through. You're being a fucking gremlin. You're being a gremlin, bro. No, I was just saying,

03:11:32.520 no, it was, we got most of the debate out of the way. So at least that was good.

03:11:36.800 Christopher Murphy donated $69. Thank you, Christopher. Appreciate it.

03:11:39.340 I will give my left nut to see Andrew and crowd attack team a full panel. You're doing God's work,

03:11:44.980 Brian. I just want to let you know, you know, you never know what the future is going to hold.

03:11:51.340 Yeah. I was, uh, yeah, we'd, we'd like to, we'd love to have a crowder on the show. I think that'd

03:11:56.200 be epic. All right. We have, he might, he might be able to maybe do a call in one day, you know,

03:12:00.700 I'll do it. Tone police patriarchy donated $69. Thank you. Appreciate it. Very entertaining.

03:12:05.860 Thank you both again. Brian is that lovely blonde lady that usually sits behind you around.

03:12:12.600 You got to pay the SIM tax ever going to be on the schedule. Well, here's the thing. We've

03:12:16.500 actually had home math on the show is back in like 2023. I think he did a call in. He doesn't

03:12:24.000 show his face on camera. Uh, I'd love to have him back. It's just Collins are difficult to begin

03:12:29.440 with, but then that added complexity of, and look, I'm not, he wants to keep his, uh, which is

03:12:35.760 fine. His privacy, totally fine. But, uh, it, it does sort of complicated, but he's, I love his

03:12:43.000 content. His content's great. I've talked with home mass several times on the phone. Very, very,

03:12:47.860 very sharp guy. Right. Uh, enjoy his company a lot, but we're going to respect the ideas that he has

03:12:53.720 around an on, you know, his anonymous status. I think that's fair. Uh, thank you for that though.

03:12:58.400 You do have to pay the SIM tax though, for mentioning the, I think you're mentioning Felicity. So,

03:13:03.820 uh, Sancho, thank you, Sancho. Sancho donated $69. She originally said she had a two hour drive back

03:13:14.120 when Brian pushed back on her. Good point. Her people are an hour away. She was flailing for a

03:13:20.520 face saving way to GTFO. He's right. Well, the other thing is, is that the, uh, so what we do is

03:13:28.960 we offer to cover in the same way that we cover your flight in the hotel. We'll offer, we cover

03:13:34.460 their flight in the hotel. Of course. Uh, and so, but if my recollect, I'd have to look at the

03:13:39.520 messages. Didn't get me a sweet though, Brian. You didn't get me a fucking sweet, Brian. It's a nice

03:13:44.320 hotel. It is a nice hotel. It's a nice hotel. But Brian, you didn't get me a fucking sweet. Oh, look at

03:13:48.880 this div over here. Look at this div over here. But, uh, let me see where it is. Uh, you can't spring for the

03:13:54.740 talent. What the fuck? No, it is a nice hotel. Uh, you know what, Andrew? I, plus Jake is down

03:14:00.420 here with me and we have a big announcement coming soon, but I'm not going to say any more

03:14:03.840 about it. No, we got, wait, what's confusing to me though, is there. So when it came to the

03:14:10.080 compensation for the flight and hotel, she mentioned driving. We, the, the offer was to fly her from

03:14:17.920 Chicago to Santa Barbara. Why would she be staying at an, like she would have had to flown into LA.

03:14:24.080 So the excuse was I have family who's X away and I wanted to go visit them. But what's the

03:14:30.820 distinction of visiting them one hour or two hours away? I have no idea. Like, Oh, the show

03:14:35.160 goes, but it's when she revealed, I know how long these go, but for some reason made the

03:14:40.680 assumption that it's not going to go that long for me. Right. That was, she brought a laundry

03:14:47.060 list of things to talk about that she wanted to discuss. Does she think that these, this takes

03:14:51.140 three, three, four minutes to debate these issues out? Yeah. We barely even gotten to

03:14:55.960 that debate. I've been in this studio debating with one person for like nine fucking hours

03:15:00.080 before. Yep. I don't want to hear shit about this. Like couple hours. We barely got to nothing.

03:15:05.400 We barely got to nothing. The long form debate content, the long form debate content requires

03:15:11.060 on each of these topics, oftentimes like a long back and forth as we deconstruct the various

03:15:17.220 worldviews, reconstruct them, get the positions, understand where the person's coming from.

03:15:22.380 It's not, it's not so easy. It's just like, Oh, there's 90 minutes and it's settled.

03:15:26.760 And so Brian runs these long form and we sometimes have four or five hour debates. And we, you know,

03:15:31.460 it's really funny. It's like, I'm an old man. Why, how come these fucking 25 year olds can't keep up

03:15:36.400 with me? That's what's fucking bullshit. That's why the wage gap exists. That's why the wage gap

03:15:41.240 exists. I make this argument. This is why I get fucking hired everywhere. If I walk in with my resume,

03:15:46.760 they want a fucking robotics mechanic anywhere in the United States. When I walk in, they're like,

03:15:51.920 Oh, it's 12 hour shift. And I'm like, it's not 14. It's not 14. Yeah. Uh, Hey, you says,

03:16:00.700 thank you. Hey, you donated $69. The stats are extremely important. I'd prefer if they were on

03:16:08.620 screen. Yeah. Remember many of us are learning from the facts being shared and it helps us support

03:16:14.300 our arguments against feminism, et cetera. But here, okay. But, but here's the thing,

03:16:19.640 right? What happens is the reason people are so resistant to send in their studies,

03:16:26.220 especially to the opponent is because they try to use fucking studies like Yu-Gi-Oh cards,

03:16:31.340 right? They're like, Oh, it's blue eyes, white dragon study. Well, I have fucking, you know,

03:16:36.160 brown eyes, brown dragon study. And that negates blue eyes, blue dragon study. And that's not how it's

03:16:41.060 supposed to work. How it's supposed to work is that you send over, it's like a discovery,

03:16:45.660 almost like a, like court that you say, here's what my arguments are going to be in my studies,

03:16:50.720 right? You can vet those and vet the argument. I can vet yours and vet the argument. And then you

03:16:56.220 can really go at it. If people did that, we could put those studies up on screen. And I could say like,

03:17:01.240 go to page, you know, two, two, two, one, here's where you can vet that information. And Brian can pull it

03:17:06.780 right up on screen. Right. But just remember, not everybody's willing to do that. And so the thing

03:17:12.840 is like me as a debater, I have to be prepared for fucking everything, which is insane and always

03:17:18.940 perform at a high level, which is insane. But I do, I would vastly prefer to be like, here's my top

03:17:24.980 three studies. And here's my arguments. Here's what forced doctrine means this and that, and just go at

03:17:29.880 it that way. But it's, it's difficult to do guys. It's not as easy as you think.

03:17:33.600 Mm-hmm. We have Justin Martins. Thank you, Justin. Appreciate it.

03:17:38.440 Justin Martins donated $69. You should use her fee to order Big Meany Head Andrew a pineapple

03:17:45.160 pizza so we can watch him cry too. Yeah, that would make me cry.

03:17:50.480 That would have been, that would have been kind of, yeah. Pineapple pizza. Where is it? All right.

03:17:56.340 Thank you, Justin Martins. We got Jim Walsh here. We tried, we actually already tried to get

03:18:01.560 your pineapple pizza. It was not effective. Jim Walsh, 1,162 donated $69. Thank you, Jim.

03:18:08.900 I bet a year's salary she was on Coke. No, I don't think so. She had destiny jaw and

03:18:13.160 couldn't stop wiping her nose. I mean, I didn't notice she would, I don't think

03:18:17.420 she was on anything. Wait, wait, you noticed what? Well, she, at least a dozen times, she'd

03:18:23.180 kind of not, I didn't see anything, but like she was constantly like touching her nose like

03:18:31.320 this. I don't know if that means any, that probably doesn't mean anything. Well, the

03:18:35.200 problem is, is that I'm a very beautiful man. So I was busy looking at the monitor like this.

03:18:39.920 Yes. Actually, it was distracting. The reason, the reason I often look at the monitor during

03:18:43.860 debates, if you guys are wondering, it's because I'm old and I've been shooting guns for years

03:18:48.100 and years and years and years. And my left ear is my more dominant ear. And so I actually am,

03:18:54.280 the reason I'm looking this way, and you'll see me look this way often is because I can hear people

03:18:58.980 way better. Got Cha. Hey, thank you, Cha. Appreciate it. Cha XD donated $69. I'm a software engineer at

03:19:08.760 a game company. My company is Philly with women who have never played games and hate players.

03:19:14.160 I also was made to work for three months renaming repositories for DI reasons.

03:19:19.840 Good God. Yeah. Just data repositories? Really? Is that what he means? Data repositories?

03:19:28.480 Doesn't, is Spyro's stuff related? I mean, this goes-

03:19:31.160 Well, that wasn't Spyro then.

03:19:32.060 No, I know it wasn't Spyro, but it's kind of related to the stuff that's going on with gaming

03:19:35.740 companies, for example. Is his stuff related? I mean, this goes way back to like Gamergate.

03:19:41.420 Well, Spyro, Spyro's a brilliant, he's a contractor software engineer and he's brilliant.

03:19:46.900 Yeah.

03:19:47.440 So I'm not going to get into everybody he's contracted with. That's not my business to tell.

03:19:52.120 Right.

03:19:52.580 But he's, he's been in with some of the larger contractors out there between every sector

03:19:59.680 you can imagine, which would include like military others, you know what I mean?

03:20:04.240 Right.

03:20:04.700 And he, he knows his shit.

03:20:07.020 Like defense contractors and stuff.

03:20:08.640 I'm not saying that.

03:20:09.340 Oh yeah, okay.

03:20:09.680 Did I say that?

03:20:10.600 No.

03:20:10.940 No.

03:20:11.160 No, no, no.

03:20:11.920 Got Krojus. Hey, thank you, Krojus.

03:20:14.660 Krojus 012094 donated $69. Asian game developers don't care what feminists think. Marvel Rivals

03:20:23.860 releases female heroes with giant spoofs and butts with zero care for what screeching feminists

03:20:29.820 cry about. What do you think of it?

03:20:32.720 Well, I think that it's like the like mustache man on Twitter that most people don't give a

03:20:38.060 shit about mustache man. They just think it's really funny to watch people freak out about

03:20:43.560 mustache man. I think they just think it's really funny. And so they do that. Right. And I think in

03:20:48.920 some ways, Asian countries actually are trolling the United States. Right. And like you'll, you'll

03:20:53.300 notice that some of the old dead or alive games in Japan or China don't actually have like the breast

03:20:58.620 enhancement thing. But in the United States, there's actually codes for the breast enhance. I think some

03:21:03.440 of it's like, I think they're trolling us. Am I crazy? I think they're trolling us, dude.

03:21:09.120 Could be. It could be. I know in like World of Warcraft,

03:21:12.300 they, uh, there, there was a, a warlock pet that was a succubus. Yeah.

03:21:20.880 Succubi? Succubus? Succubus.

03:21:22.820 Succubus.

03:21:23.240 Or Incubus.

03:21:23.760 It's like the female, female demon or whatever.

03:21:26.620 Yeah, that's the succubus. The Incubus is the male.

03:21:28.400 And it, it was always a female, but then like, cause they're like, oh, well this is, uh,

03:21:33.100 this is sexualizing and objectifying pixelated demon in a video game. They introduced the

03:21:42.460 male to the Incubus, I believe, like you said, it's called just, just stupid stuff. I don't

03:21:47.780 know. They're changing the original game. It's weird. Uh, let's see. We have Lucas here.

03:21:51.340 Lucas, thank you, man. Appreciate it.

03:21:52.740 Lucas donated $70.

03:21:54.220 You have a second one coming in there?

03:21:55.280 Slash, I'm sure it's probably just me being in old crotchety flowers, but I have no patience

03:22:00.860 and tolerance for an incompetent, sniveling, weak weasel. This chick was the epitome of

03:22:06.200 chihuahua syndrome. Tough.

03:22:10.420 Uh, is, I don't know, I don't see the second one coming in yet, Lucas, so I'm gonna let,

03:22:14.260 uh, yikes come through, but I'll pull yours up next. Thank you, Lucas. Appreciate it.

03:22:18.460 Yikes, brother, donated $69. This is how you know feminism is weak. Imagine MLK fighting for

03:22:24.880 civil rights. And the moment someone challenges his worldview, he threatens to walk out or has

03:22:30.560 imagined or started to cry.

03:22:33.320 Well, actually, this is a really good point, right? And this is a good case of the idea

03:22:38.500 of how women treat men versus how men treat women. The demand is that I treat this woman

03:22:43.880 like an equal, so I did. But you can imagine if it was me in that same stance, right? I came

03:22:49.860 in the very first night. I hadn't slept in 24 hours. I was sweating. I was all fucked up

03:22:54.340 because I hadn't slept. And I could barely even process what was coming at me, right? But I'm

03:23:00.860 like, got to do that shit. You got to get through it, right? That's part, that's part, that's part

03:23:06.680 of how it goes. It's part of work. A different, totally different mindset about how these things

03:23:12.120 are done. And it's like, but from her view, at the same time, she must be privileged and

03:23:20.280 treated as an equal. And it's like, well, both of those things don't actually mesh, right?

03:23:25.720 I mean, it ties back into her, I think, weak arguments as it relates to the wage gap.

03:23:32.780 But, you know, no arguments. Well, yeah. Men are just more willing to, they're more willing

03:23:42.180 to work through when they're sick. They're more willing to work overtime. And...

03:23:48.380 Well, speaking, speaking of what she said with the wage gaps, I want you guys to remember

03:23:51.720 this framing. She starts the framing by saying this, there could be three different reasons

03:23:57.080 for this. And I wrote it down. And the first thing I wrote was like, no, there could be 50

03:24:01.660 reasons for this. There could be 100 reasons for this, right? But the framing was, there

03:24:07.880 can only be three. So what she wanted me to do was select from one of the three. I'm like,

03:24:13.380 fuck, I'm not selecting from one of your three bullshit reasons for the wage gap, because that's

03:24:17.420 all how you frame it. Fuck that. Here's what's actually going on. That's the right way to argue.

03:24:23.760 What she did was try to frame it as a false dichotomy. In this case, there was a multitude

03:24:27.380 of dichotomies. It was one, two, three, instead of just one and two. So it's like, what are

03:24:32.620 you doing here?

03:24:33.320 Yeah. Yeah. And to your point, Andrew, you've been doing a bunch of traveling. Like you said,

03:24:41.080 you came in that one day, you hadn't slept for 24 hours. You still did the show. I was

03:24:46.180 sick last week.

03:24:47.160 Still did the show.

03:24:48.520 I was, I had a terrible sinus infection. I had a fever. I, when Jim Bob, it was a Jim

03:24:54.340 Bob. I think it was when, yeah, Jim Bob and Oliver were debating. My fever was getting

03:24:59.180 so bad. I had to excuse myself and go lay down.

03:25:02.580 Yeah.

03:25:03.080 And I was on the verge of throwing.

03:25:06.140 And I, but you're going to work.

03:25:07.320 I still came and still came and worked, came and did it, still came and worked. And that's

03:25:10.900 the thing is like, I got off the plane and was like, Oh my God, I don't know how I'm

03:25:13.900 going to do this. I literally can't even think, you know, you guys know what I mean? We're

03:25:18.340 like, you're so tired. You can't really process information well anyway. And you're just on

03:25:23.660 autopilot. And that debate was over. I was like, I still won the debate, but Holy shit,

03:25:29.420 man, that was hours of debating too. And just pure autopilot. That was just pure autopilot.

03:25:38.400 All right. We have Lucas here with his followup chat. Then we're going to get this here wrapped

03:25:42.980 up. Lucas donated $70. Last call. If you guys want to get one in. Last call.

03:25:47.420 Barking until you called her out on her bullshit. Bravo. Spirus synonymate. Andrew, in my opinion,

03:25:54.960 Will Durant is arguably one of the best somewhat recent historian.

03:25:59.080 You think so? I, I, um, I enjoyed the, the guy has a bit of flourish for storytelling too.

03:26:06.260 It's not just a matter of, um, you know how you can read some historical accounts and they're

03:26:11.860 really fucking boring. The guy has a bit of a flourish. I really enjoyed it. And by the way,

03:26:16.000 it's my wife who picks up a lot of those books for me. Hey, I just, what she'll do is she'll be out

03:26:20.640 and she'll be like, I just saw this and I thought you might like it. And I'm like, I don't fucking,

03:26:24.600 and I find myself at night, I grabbed the shit and I'm like, Hey, she was right. This is actually

03:26:28.520 pretty fucking good. Yeah. By the way, we still, this is one of our, I mean, I think there's been a few

03:26:35.440 episodes where we've had more than this. We still have 12, uh, just under 12,000 concurrent viewers

03:26:41.060 just on my stream. Uh, we peaked at about, I think 14,000. I think it would have been great to keep

03:26:47.740 going. Unfortunately, she just dipped, dipped, did the, I don't know if it was a rage quit. What

03:26:52.640 would you call that? That was a rage quit. Was it a rage quit? Oh yeah. Okay. Well, that's a rage quit.

03:26:56.780 And in fact, there are other rage quits, which were way less legitimate than that. That was a

03:27:02.460 fucking rage quit. Yes. Yes. Oh, while we have, uh, the viewers here, I do want to ask,

03:27:08.060 um, guys debate university, I'm asking for, Oh, well there's that, but I needed to ask for some

03:27:14.020 assistance from any viewers who may be able to help, uh, for almost six, seven weeks now, my Twitter

03:27:21.520 has been, uh, I don't know how to exactly explain it. Basically every single, uh, video or photo I post.

03:27:30.860 So if I post any media, it gets put behind a sensitive content warning. My entire Twitter

03:27:37.660 profile X profile is behind behind a, what they call an interstitial, a content warning. I think

03:27:45.400 there might've been one or two posts, not even my own videos. I was just, uh, doing like reaction

03:27:50.500 commentary on something, uh, got flagged. I've reached out to X. They don't have support. If

03:27:57.160 anybody's watching who has a contact at Twitter X, uh, maybe you, you've worked there. If anybody

03:28:04.840 can just maybe send me a DM either on Twitter, that's at whatever, or you can DM me on Instagram

03:28:10.080 at whatever, or you can email me, Brian, B R I A N at whatever.com. If you're able to help me get my,

03:28:17.160 uh, my ex Twitter account fixed, I would be, uh, I will name my firstborn son after you.

03:28:26.060 And if you're a woman, I will name my firstborn daughter after you. Uh, if you're a woman who,

03:28:32.060 huh? What? Wait, what do you mean? Firstborn son. Yes. Not, not firstborn daughter.

03:28:37.300 No, firstborn daughter. What if, what if it's a woman who,

03:28:39.120 you always named the firstborn daughter after the grandmother you loved? Everybody knows that.

03:28:45.180 Oh, okay. That's like, those are the rules. Well, then if it's a woman who helps me out,

03:28:49.240 my son is going to have a really weird, he's going to have a gay name. Uh, uh, uh, April,

03:28:58.500 April. Uh, it's going to be, it's going to, his name is going to be Sue. It's going to be Sue.

03:29:03.600 Yeah. I'll name my son a female name if it's a woman helps me out. But yes,

03:29:06.940 I've been having issues with my ex account. It's been scuffed. I've tried all the avenues I can.

03:29:11.820 So if anybody can help me out, set again, contact with me. If you're able to help me out with my

03:29:16.600 ex account, it's been seven weeks. So help a brother out here. Help a brother out,

03:29:21.220 uh, help a Caucasian out. Also go to debate university, buy it, buy it now. Hurry up.

03:29:25.400 Don't listen to Brian, buy it, buy it as much as possible by debate universe. It's great. It's

03:29:29.580 fantastic. It's awesome. High production value. And also we're going to be adding to it soon. So go buy it.

03:29:35.540 Yes. Get to that guys. Okay. We have Michael G here. He writes her right wing dad owes Andrew a

03:29:41.700 case of single malt. Oliver was a champ compared to her. Men are better feminists than women.

03:29:48.760 Isn't that interesting? But here's the thing in my opponent's credit. She did say that her

03:29:53.680 objective is to win as many men to her own side, because she obviously knows that that is the case

03:29:57.880 that more of the smart feminists actually are beginning to realize that they need male feminists

03:30:03.660 to come in and make the arguments and dominance because of force doctrine. They literally need

03:30:08.080 that. Isn't it hilarious and ironic at the same time? Yep. And then we have the state of things.

03:30:15.120 Let's take it one step further. Women are so privileged that once they're taken down to the

03:30:19.700 privilege of men, they're disrespected and shouldn't even dignify entertaining the men

03:30:25.060 they're equal to. Right. Which is the, the like pre-assumption there is that men are dirt and

03:30:30.580 garbage, right? Men, they're dirt and garbage and they shouldn't even be dignified with an answer

03:30:35.260 the second they become equal to men. Isn't that fucking hilarious? Let's see if we have,

03:30:40.520 it looks like we have something from Kevin here. He says,

03:30:42.980 Kevin 89 donated $69. Thank you, Kevin. For the first time, men were the deciding factor in the

03:30:50.860 presidential election. Do you think women like this are aware of how off-putting they are to the

03:30:55.880 average male voter? If not, then cool lol. No, no, actually listen, they don't. They're going to

03:31:02.500 double and triple down, quadruple down this ideology. I will say this about Oliver. Oliver, when I was,

03:31:08.120 after the show was done, I went on the balcony to have a smoke. He came out with me and Jake

03:31:12.500 and he literally said, it's because leftists are so fucking cringe and he's a leftist.

03:31:18.740 That's why we keep losing. Like they don't really realize to the average person who's watching it.

03:31:24.680 Like imagine like there's ladies out there watching this right now. Their husbands are

03:31:28.760 working their fucking asses off. They get home and they're like, this is how they want. They expect

03:31:33.940 me to treat this guy or husbands who are like, why would I want my fucking wife to ever be like that?

03:31:40.300 You can't say the word Indian. Like what the fuck? That's how people, normal people think

03:31:46.360 through that prism. And it's like, it's so wild to me that they double and triple down on that.

03:31:52.680 Yep. Uh, let's see here. Okay guys, final thing. If you want to support the show without

03:31:57.600 platforms taking their cut, Venmo cash up, whatever bug. Let me ask you something. Sure. Okay. So you get

03:32:02.120 home. It's like fucking 10 hour shift at the factory. Right. And what you've been doing at

03:32:08.080 the factory all day, some heavy ass labor. Let's just say that you're a high low driver. Right. And

03:32:12.780 then, and then you do stocking on top of that. So you get out of the high low, you have to get off

03:32:17.220 of it on off on you driving this thing all around. They extended your shift another three hours tonight.

03:32:22.840 You get home, your wife has a meal cooked for you and you're like, Oh, thank God. You're so exhausted.

03:32:27.500 So you sit down, you take that first bite. You haven't eaten all fucking day. Okay. You take

03:32:32.540 that first bite and you're like, Oh my God, anything would have been delicious, but this

03:32:36.940 is extra delicious because she tried to make it exactly tailored how you want. You take

03:32:41.080 that first bite. Right. And you say, man, this guy at work today, we were talking about Indians

03:32:45.740 and she's like native Americans. The wife says this. Native Americans. Like doesn't, now the

03:32:52.760 food tastes bad. Now the food is awful and horrible. You're like everything around you now

03:32:59.600 is just like the, you imagine the shot. Like you were about to take that second bite of the

03:33:04.420 delicious meal. Now it just tastes like fucking ass. You don't even want it. You throw it to the

03:33:08.580 side. You throw the whole fucking plate on the ground. Like the whole thing is just like, you're

03:33:13.500 just done right then and there. It's native American. You know what I mean? Imagine coming

03:33:17.180 fucking home to that. Imagine that shit. Just saying. Yeah. That'd be fucking terrible.

03:33:22.820 It'd be fucking terrible. The way I thought you were going was she fucked the steak up and

03:33:28.920 she overcooked the steak. No, no, no. It's a beautiful steak, but here's the thing. Here's

03:33:32.780 the thing. Even if the steak is beautiful, the second she says now it's native Americans,

03:33:36.420 it's fucking garbage and you're going to throw it on the ground. It's fucking worthless and

03:33:40.840 fuck that shit. That's it. It just ends. It ends the whole experience. You know what I

03:33:45.560 mean? Yeah. And what you want to hear is like, yeah, those fucking idiots. That's

03:33:49.620 what you want to hear. That's what you want. Am I wrong? That's what you want to

03:33:52.640 hear. Just saying. Yeah. It checks out. All right, guys. Oh, go to guys. Twitch final

03:34:01.640 call on this twitch.tv slash whatever. Drop us guys. If you enjoyed the stream, it's

03:34:05.660 been 25 minutes since we last had a prime sub. Can somebody, I think it's bugged

03:34:09.240 boys. It's been a while since I've done the bug thing. I think it's bugged. Can somebody

03:34:13.120 check in the chat if they have a prime sub? I don't believe that one. The

03:34:17.120 debiosity? I don't believe that. Oh, well, that's a fallout. Yeah, fuck that. Where's

03:34:20.820 the sub still? Yeah, we need some master menham thing for the prime. Yeah, I don't

03:34:24.800 believe that either. A thing for the tier one. Kaibaka, there it is. Kaibaka. No, look

03:34:28.440 at that. The blue meow. No way. That ain't real. That's not real. We need another couple.

03:34:32.940 We're in the matrix right now. We're in the matrix. There we go. And I think for the prime.

03:34:35.940 Appreciate it. All right. Thank you, guys. Just check if you have a prime sub

03:34:38.660 available. Twitch.tv slash whatever. Join our discord, discord.gg slash whatever. I

03:34:43.020 post a bunch of the cool behind the scenes here on the show. There's various happenings.

03:34:48.040 You know, there was the Priscilla incident. There was like stuff that wasn't captured on

03:34:52.200 camera because we had to go to when she was here. So we got some like, you know, stuff

03:34:58.040 that you don't always see on the stream when people are rage quitting. Some girl was like

03:35:02.740 crying in the hallway after she was being obnoxious. And she I think what did she she called

03:35:08.940 me the N word and a bunch of it? I'm I'm yeah, she's she's probably shouldn't done

03:35:13.620 that. But so discord. Ryan, you got a bunch of white flex right here, bro. That's

03:35:18.180 why. Oh, bro. What about your ADD, though? Look, can we get it? Can you give me the

03:35:22.220 roller real quick? Give me the roller so that we can make sure Ryan, you got to roll

03:35:25.720 yourself, bro. No, you got to roll yourself. Look, everybody can see it, Brian. You got to

03:35:29.680 roll it, bro. But now I'm all I'm all freaked out before. By the way, guys, before

03:35:39.860 the show, I I'm always making sure Andrew looks sharp. So, you know, I double check

03:35:46.580 if he needs sometimes if he you want you want to do your hair, you know, it's a

03:35:50.760 little and also I'll foam roll. I'll get the foam roller for him because he got

03:35:55.440 sometimes, you know, got to keep him. I'll offer it to the opponent.

03:35:59.680 And he hands it to the female assistants. The most awkward thing ever is I take it

03:36:02.840 from her and roll myself. Right. It's most awkward shit in the world. It's not

03:36:06.980 Brian. It's not that bad. All right, guys, kindly like the video here. Let me just

03:36:17.160 double check. I don't want to leave anybody hanging. Thank you guys for the

03:36:20.440 prime subs. Really appreciate it. All right, guys, we're going to get this wrapped

03:36:23.980 up. Let me just double check here. Make sure we're all looking good. I'm just

03:36:27.800 trying to think if there's anything. No, no, just the really the only thing

03:36:33.640 is, guys, if anybody can help me out with my Twitter account, that's pretty much

03:36:38.020 it. Send me a DM on X or Instagram at whatever. Spyro mystery. You guys take a

03:36:42.600 look at that. It's been it actually like that's a critical resource for booking.

03:36:46.960 Take a look and see what you guys can do diving in to whatever Brian's problem is.

03:36:51.760 And that's also the propaganda arm for Andrew Wilson clips. Millions of views.

03:36:58.600 No, no, no. Over a billion views on X from well. Well, no, on your YouTube is like billions.

03:37:05.400 Oh, yeah. But on X alone, I think it's over a billion views. Well, I was doing like a hundred

03:37:11.760 million impressions on X and then they do the content interstitial. Done. I'll get 10k impressions.

03:37:19.800 It all gets blanked. Okay. Spyro, thank you for the it's just at whatever on X Instagram. You can

03:37:27.200 also email me brianbrian at whatever.com. All right. Thank you, Spyro, for that super chat. Very

03:37:33.320 much appreciate it. Okay, guys, kindly like the video on the way out. I'm assuming you don't want

03:37:38.660 to give your closing. No, no, no, no, no. Here's my closing from all of us here at the

03:37:43.880 whatever podcast. So all of you out there in whatever podcast land, I'm going to give my

03:37:49.960 own exodus here. You guys have a wonderful night. All right, guys. Oh, sevens in the chat.

03:37:56.960 I hope you guys have a good weekend tomorrow, Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific dating talk. Andrew will

03:38:02.340 be there. Got a fantastic panel. And then we have a debate Monday and then pause. It's looking

03:38:07.680 like something on Tuesday, but we've got a debate Monday, 3.30 p.m. on Monday. That's

03:38:12.260 going to be a very, very solid debate with a very, uh, a jubilee guest. Very jubilee

03:38:17.500 guest. That's, that's the only hint I'll give you tomorrow though. Dating talk Sunday, 5

03:38:21.340 p.m. Pacific. Is it that Mexican kid? Am I debating that Mexican kid? No. He's a good

03:38:27.240 debater though. He's a good debater. Mexican guy. Is it? Oh, wait. Yeah, we'll figure it out.

03:38:32.840 You had him on. You had him on. What's his name? Eleazar? Yeah, there we go. No, no, no, no. Yeah,

03:38:37.460 that. Oh, come on. But he's a good debater. He's a good debater. Wait, you want to debate

03:38:41.820 him? What? What? Wait, what? Okay, whatever. All right. We got to get this right. We got

03:38:46.400 to get Andrew some hamburgers. So, okay. All right, guys. 07's in the chat. Thank you

03:38:50.060 so much for tuning in and we will see you guys next time. Good night, guys.

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