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00:03:51.680 hi i'm i'm val uh i'm 23 i'm a witch and i live in santa barbara do you uh go to school at all or no

00:04:01.300 okay and you're uh what kind of witch are you are you a blood witch a dark witch what kind of witch

00:04:07.820 uh so i kind of i specialize in like baneful magic love magic what's baneful magic hexes um hexes yeah

00:04:16.460 stuff like that justice workings tarot tarot psychic stuff and um yeah you're also an astrologist

00:04:25.740 and a psychic yeah yeah psychic mostly just psychic okay yeah yeah so like when you say psychic what

00:04:32.840 does that mean like have you seen those tarot cards videos yeah i'm familiar with tarot cards yeah yeah i

00:04:38.320 can like whip out cards and i can just tell you about your future i don't know people come to me a lot of

00:04:43.820 people want to know if they can get back together with their ex so that's pretty much what i am doing

00:04:49.260 right now but um yeah i kind of just do a lot of different things but like any other kind of

00:04:55.180 psychic uh yeah i do mediumship um the noise going on yeah there's no noise back there not sure what okay

00:05:04.060 um so yeah are you psychic without the cards yeah a little bit i can um can you predict the future

00:05:14.380 i don't yes okay so like when it comes to predicting something every action you take in your life can

00:05:21.660 rapidly change the life path you're going on so when you're pulling on someone's life path it's based on

00:05:27.500 what is already coming into effect for example if uh okay let me think of a pg example if i am like

00:05:36.180 okay are me and my boyfriend gonna get married and then i decide to break up with him the next day

00:05:40.200 that's obviously going to change the path so there's a it's not a exact science but um and is

00:05:46.620 this something that's passed down from generation to generation like in your no i actually grew up in a

00:05:52.740 i grew up in a christian household yeah with what denomination um it was like were you catholic it

00:05:59.940 was like yes so there's like 12 members and they believe that if you weren't a member of their church

00:06:04.740 that you were gonna you know get to make it to the afterlife um and i'd have to study the bible for

00:06:11.380 like six hours every day after school it was like a really really intense small church um but i think

00:06:16.820 they're considered lutheran lutheran yeah and uh prior to coming on the show did you cast a hex on

00:06:24.540 me andrew or the podcast no i don't i didn't even know you guys names i'm gonna be real i don't really

00:06:30.820 know a lot about you guys do you need the name to cast a hex yeah or like a photo can you only cast

00:06:36.520 text on people or can you cast it on like a company i could cast on a company yeah i guess i could have

00:06:42.240 if i really wanted to but and like how effective are the hexes well i can give an example um the

00:06:49.860 first ever hex i did was on this guy who i have like a really traumatic past with and i work with

00:06:58.000 the number three so i wanted to send back three times the pain that he caused me he fell off a

00:07:03.260 three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at three in the morning about six months after

00:07:08.900 i hacked uh cast it and was that three days after you cast it no it was six months but yeah yeah

00:07:14.940 i mean so that would have been cool if it was three days i would have really sold the deal but

00:07:19.360 but i mean what evidence do you have that that's because you hexed him yeah i guess i don't really

00:07:24.540 have a concrete proof or evidence but the numbers were three it just seems like a weird coincidence

00:07:29.540 um i also do offer it as a service so my clients have overwhelmingly positive reviews so

00:07:37.420 i don't know maybe it's a placebo but i would say my clients disagree and it's an overwhelming

00:07:43.980 as a service i offer hexes love spells tarot readings um money magic i'm really good at money magic

00:07:51.360 that's something that i'm really really good at so so like law of attraction money magic yeah yeah

00:07:56.620 okay yeah work um did you go to school to learn uh the witchcraft no i went to school for like graphic

00:08:07.560 design for a year during covid and then i just dropped out because i didn't like online school

00:08:12.260 i have adhd i can't like do you consider yourself like you know how there's like journeymen yeah

00:08:17.540 other workers yeah are you like how advanced are you in the witching so um i've been practicing for

00:08:24.600 about four years um professionally i do have like a mentor she um has practiced witchcraft for about 20

00:08:32.480 years um so she taught me a lot of stuff i have taken like courses and then i just did a lot of like

00:08:38.000 free workings for people until i felt confident enough to offer it as a service right and but is

00:08:43.340 there like did you learn any of it from tiktok or a little bit tiktok um books just i'm a very

00:08:50.620 intuitive witch so i yeah pull from my intuition a lot and so is there such thing as a like what's

00:08:59.160 the male version of a witch a wizard a warlock no so which is like a gender neutral term so anyone

00:09:05.860 can call themselves a man can be a witch yeah they usually refer to him as warlock yeah i'm actually

00:09:10.160 like is a count what's a counter witch is that a wizard i don't know what that is i think this is

00:09:17.780 getting like dungeons and dragons terminology what are you talking i mean hold on me and andrew are

00:09:22.000 wizards okay yeah that's sick so we actually we we would have detected had you tried to pre-cast a

00:09:30.400 hex right right so i hexed you and then you we we had we had we knew you were coming so we cast

00:09:34.800 defensive spells yeah we did we did um the plus 10 glyph of defense plus 10 glyph of like defense

00:09:42.000 and like magic resistance yeah it's called warding but yeah we can call it that yeah well we did

00:09:47.760 like a consecration spell like because we kind of like fuck with like paladin shit and stuff okay

00:09:52.420 like are you familiar with like paladin stuff no i don't yeah like paladins what is a paladin

00:09:57.760 you don't know how do you not know what the paladin is i've never heard of that they use holy magic

00:10:01.720 yeah we use holy magic oh okay cool yeah it's video game stuff yeah that's what i assumed i'm like i

00:10:07.460 don't really know any of these no no it's not video games it really were paladin yeah for sure

00:10:11.380 is it like dnd can i ask you what your big three are because i dabble in tarot and stuff yeah

00:10:16.900 so okay that's kind of interesting so technically i was born as an aquarius but i don't like my

00:10:23.960 birthday so i changed my birthday i figure like you know you can change so many things about you so

00:10:29.960 i've changed my birthday um but i'm an aquarius sun i'm an aries rising and i'm a pisces moon

00:10:36.780 but i guess technically with my new birthday i would be a leo sun

00:10:40.640 oh okay so you identify with a different birthday yeah i don't like my birthday i just don't like it

00:10:47.040 it's a winter birthday what yeah it's really not my thing well if you're an aquarius yeah it's a

00:10:51.640 winter birthday it sucks i hate having i was born in colorado but isn't that the age of aquarius

00:10:56.940 something like that so i mean wouldn't you want to be an aquarius because this is the age of

00:11:02.140 aquarius i i like you're a leo i like being aquarius i just don't like my birthday i feel

00:11:06.100 like everything bad always happens to me on my birthday like something bad always happens on my

00:11:09.940 birthday so i was like no i'm just gonna actually celebrate my half birthday so i just celebrate my

00:11:14.960 half birthday now and i just told everyone ah today's my birthday and then yeah well today's my

00:11:20.140 birthday today might be a birthday it is now i just changed it sick it's my birthday happy birthday

00:11:25.100 how old are you thank you i'm the same age i was yesterday oh okay it's but still it's my

00:11:30.080 birthday okay cool so when it comes to the witch stuff i mean is there like a go-to book like are

00:11:35.260 there books on this show um cunningham is like a really good author for it um so i pretty just

00:11:43.180 just like encyclopedias of herb you also can google a lot of stuff honestly can you like can you buy it

00:11:48.880 on amazon yeah yeah yeah you can get a lot of books on amazon about being a witch yeah um a to z

00:11:55.400 library has like a lot of free downloads so i buy my tarot cards on timo so and i'm just curious like

00:12:02.880 but i feel like a lot of witches would be like like wokey sjw like libtards or whatever so yeah

00:12:08.800 they are like yeah like but like i mean do you think there's witches on on donald trump's side

00:12:14.340 because like he won the 2016 election so they're probably like witches like helping him out yeah there

00:12:19.520 was a a witch day where they cast a universal binding spell you didn't know that on trump on

00:12:23.960 trump yeah but like which day how do you count like if it's so effective you have to be able to

00:12:28.480 counter that shit well i gotta tell you there's there is one there's like there's one counter spell

00:12:34.160 that you can always do that works you can say this is all bullshit the and that usually will

00:12:40.440 counter all of it just like that this is all bullshit well it's a fact that there's astrologists

00:12:47.540 in the white house in the government they work there damn yeah there are people um taxes you

00:12:53.340 also have to understand as well witchcraft is very tied into a lot of people of color's culture

00:12:58.360 so like very very tied there's a lot of different practices um more so religion is going to be wrapped

00:13:05.360 into black wait so just to be clear are you saying barack obama won because of witches no i'm just

00:13:12.420 saying there is a lot of even supreme court members there are people who do practice um but they're

00:13:19.040 very very private about their practice and there's a lot of different witchcraft and spirituality is

00:13:25.320 just an umbrella what supreme court members do you think practice witchcraft just a few i'm not going

00:13:29.760 to name them out there's a quote by jp morgan there's a few do you think sotomayor do you think

00:13:34.300 sotomayor practices witchcraft for sure there's literally a quote by jp morgan he says uh millionaires

00:13:39.680 don't use astrology billionaires do so if they're private about it how do you know that they jp

00:13:46.180 morgan was sounds like a completely fake quote by the way well i mean you could check it but yeah

00:13:51.700 sounds like a totally fake quote that jp morgan would say that just based off of and like he said

00:13:56.940 maybe none of it is real but based off of my findings and my research um and picking up on energy

00:14:02.620 work because that's pretty much what witchcraft is it's just a manipulation of energy it's just science

00:14:06.420 that has not been proven yet as well too um but basically how i see it is there are some members

00:14:15.260 there are some people that are very high up that do have very specific spiritual practices in order

00:14:21.160 to protect themselves um moving on um lastly uh your pronouns are what uh i don't really care

00:14:30.160 but i guess she her they them yeah you have it in your instagram profile so i've thought it so

00:14:35.660 what's a they them which warlock hold on hold on hold on okay go ahead hi my name is morgan my pronouns

00:14:43.280 are she her um i am 31 i'm from chicago and i'm a flight attendant all right cool how long you've been

00:14:52.500 been doing that 10 years so from 21 to 31 yeah okay what about you i'm vanessa i'm 26 and i'm a content

00:15:00.960 creator what kind of content do you make adult like like only fans or i'm born okay and you do let me

00:15:11.160 just look at my notes here uh bgg bbg solo ggb yeah okay how many scenes have you shot um like around 20

00:15:21.760 20 20 okay started in november all right what were you doing before that i was a male lady a male

00:15:30.060 lady for uh usps yes okay did you go to school or anything i did for politics what did you got your

00:15:39.640 bachelor's oh yeah i got my bachelor's in political science political science okay cool what about you

00:15:46.040 my name is chelsea i am 37 i am a business owner and am actually being hired on as a co

00:15:52.160 all right where are you from phoenix arizona what kind of business so it's non-metallic here

00:15:57.920 grid one motorsports has just tipped 200 and one cent thank you ma'am evening brain can the witch

00:16:05.700 predict which of the panel will rage quit tonight will it be her she e a e it i feel like she is more

00:16:12.440 like a tamu witch let's buckle in shall we it's totally gonna get good she the sheet the team

00:16:18.800 which it's definitely gonna be me yeah good one thank you i appreciate it thank you for that

00:16:23.860 looks like i i made you a custom by the way i made you a little custom thing i don't know if he's oh

00:16:28.860 much duke gloctavius there donated two hundred dollars brian here is a tip for all the bs you deal

00:16:36.020 with appreciate all you do and the hard work never argue with stupid people they will drag you down

00:16:43.060 to their level and then beat you with experience wow that is profound gloctavius the third uh thank

00:16:50.660 you yeah you know look it's a lot of work putting on the show show days are like 16 hour work days

00:16:55.640 for me so uh appreciate thank you for the support man and thank you everybody else who supports

00:16:59.500 including grid one thank you was was he asking predictions on uh yeah i think i've got a good

00:17:06.120 idea thank you good one uh so i think were you asking her a question or yeah i was just asking

00:17:10.540 what kind of business do you have non-medical home care oh okay cool yeah what about you hi my name

00:17:18.340 is riley resa um i'm 22 and i'm from florida and i'm a recording artist with hutchdown records

00:17:25.720 all right welcome riley what kind of genre of music do you do um so what i have out right now

00:17:30.980 is all pop but i kind of switched over to like uh country pop leaning can we hear a couple bars or

00:17:37.900 sure um okay i guess i'll sing this song isn't out yet but

00:17:44.080 oh the worst highway in florida which is i4 so um okay

00:17:52.520 if it's your way or the highway well i guess i'll take i4 you're the captain of the ship well

00:18:06.520 i'm jumping overboard i don't have to do anything you ask me to anymore

00:18:18.520 and before i leave i'll make sure to slam the door coming soon all right cool there you go nice

00:18:32.200 all right uh what about you i'm lindsey i'm from colorado i'm 40 years old and i am a salon owner

00:18:41.160 all right welcome what about you my name is kayla i'm also 40 and i am a restaurant manager

00:18:48.380 where are you from uh baltimore baltimore maryland yeah okay could i have you just tilt your mic down

00:18:53.600 a little bit just like that what about you hey friends i'm chrissy clark i'm the host of

00:18:58.120 underreported stories it's five stories if you turn into cnn msnbc or fox you would not hear about

00:19:02.360 um i'm a turning point usa contributor 27 and i live in nashville all right what about you

00:19:08.920 hi my name's peyton i'm 27 i live in the dallas fort worth area and i'm currently a marketing manager

00:19:15.420 for a small family-owned winery and i'm writing my first book what's it about it's a romance novel

00:19:21.980 historical romance mostly for fun and pleasure really what era regency because i got mad about

00:19:28.240 the bridgerton thing gotcha okay yeah my name is andrew wilson i'm the host of the crucible it is to

00:19:34.840 my knowledge the fastest growing debate channel on youtube i'm a political analyst satirist and i do

00:19:40.820 like to do debates occasionally for fun all right welcome everybody so we're going to go around the

00:19:45.100 table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking

00:19:50.560 stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult harem whatever it may be

00:19:56.480 if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been

00:20:01.060 in starting with you i have a man and i'm looking for a girlfriend because we're polyamorous okay so

00:20:06.680 how long have you been in uh this relationship um we've been seeing each other since about november

00:20:12.020 are you looking for a team of witch i don't know what a team of witch is

00:20:18.280 okay maybe an etsy witch longest relationship thank you jj probably on and off six years

00:20:25.960 on and off six years yeah i was younger and then which one of you wanted to open the relationship

00:20:31.500 up or did both of you both um well when he met me i was dating a girl so and then um she didn't

00:20:39.020 really have a problem with it he didn't really have a problem with it me and her ended up uh splitting

00:20:43.320 off um and you're only looking for a girl yeah okay yeah i have enough of a man one's good enough

00:20:50.180 for me your six-year relationship you said it was on again off again uh how many times was it on and

00:20:57.560 off oh my gosh okay we were like either enemies or lovers and no in between it was the most toxic

00:21:02.900 shit i've ever been in my entire life we probably would talk to each other for about one to two weeks

00:21:07.720 and then something bad would happen and then we would go back to being enemies and blocked and then

00:21:13.140 we'd go again and again again it was really toxic i was young i was a teenager how many times was it

00:21:19.940 on again off again 10 20 30 probably like 30 it was who was ending it more often than not

00:21:27.380 probably him so like 90 80 70 70 probably 80 80 he would end it 20 you would end it who would like

00:21:35.640 be the one kind of reaching back out to rekindle him always him 80 90 100 100 100 so he'd end it

00:21:42.800 80 80 of the time he'd always want to come back to you he was on and off for about he said about 30

00:21:48.480 times um yeah was this the one that you cast a hex on yeah that broke his back yeah shout out

00:21:57.280 did you cast love spells to bring him back to you um no i wasn't i didn't practice witchcraft um

00:22:05.980 when i was in a relationship with him i found spirituality afterwards yeah and so is he when you say he

00:22:11.960 broke his back is he like in a wheelchair or what's the what's the severity of his injury i have no

00:22:17.200 idea i just saw the post like a gofundme posted by one of his friends and then um one of them reached

00:22:24.920 out to me and told me and they asked me they're like did you was this him like did you hex him and

00:22:29.780 i was like i'm not gonna say anything you realize how catastrophic a back injury is yeah he i mean it's

00:22:36.540 kind of interesting that you're smiling yeah you're you seem a bit happy that somebody's going

00:22:41.580 through a um substantial life i can't really i can't really talk about it because the word is

00:22:48.980 going to trigger you guys but um he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was

00:22:54.500 a very toxic relationship so i don't feel bad if an abuser gets what's coming to them um that's

00:22:59.800 actually what i stand for i get justice for victims of essay would he would he agree would he say would

00:23:07.600 he be would he say that he did that to you i don't think most um essayers would agree to that i think

00:23:13.760 most of them would deny it i i don't really know of any that are proudly talk about it well i think

00:23:21.080 um usually you know just just me but if you if you were essayed the way that you're talking about

00:23:28.760 especially i'm guessing no police reports nothing like that right no uh i was 16 i didn't know any

00:23:36.160 better so um well there's statute of limitations right like you can still go later and do that

00:23:43.060 yeah i don't really have proof um that's the situation that's really unfortunate is most victims

00:23:49.440 do not get justice i would say an overwhelming amount of victims even when they do go through the

00:23:54.900 court system because i have gone through the court system for a similar incident that's happened to me

00:23:58.720 they don't do anything they really do not any justice when you actually went no and it actually

00:24:05.760 was more traumatizing going through the entire event um i would say even more than being a side

00:24:11.820 being someone who's been through it i have to disagree with that well i guess he broke his back so

00:24:18.180 everybody's experience is different you can't speak for one person no i'm just disagreeing

00:24:22.700 yeah that's okay okay yeah you didn't feel like when you had to go to the hospital and went

00:24:27.220 through that whole kit situation that wasn't no i'm just disagreeing with the court process with

00:24:31.980 with how it is the court it's not always just about getting justice it's also about hearing your voice

00:24:36.720 and speaking and saying what happened to you and confronting your abuser yeah absolutely and

00:24:43.960 sometimes you may not get that result that you want but it's about speaking your voice so okay

00:24:47.820 anyways so you dated this man for six years how early into your relationship was there this abuse

00:24:54.160 um pretty early on i would say about two or three months into it was there an age gap um i think he

00:25:02.040 was two years older yeah so i'm a little confused here um you said the abuse started very early on

00:25:12.960 into the relationship but you were with him for six years that's um a very very common occurrence

00:25:19.060 for most abuse victims they stay with their abusive partner for a very long time uh due to trauma

00:25:24.500 bonding it actually is becomes a severe addiction if you look into trauma bonding and the science

00:25:31.020 research behind it um what it basically does to your brain is you release an insane amount of dopamine

00:25:36.780 with the love bombing phase and then when they leave you go through intense withdrawal so

00:25:41.320 when you leave an abusive person you physically feel withdrawals you physically withdraw from said person

00:25:49.080 well we don't know well if you have an adhd brain too you're like always chasing dopamines

00:25:57.120 one question though prior to the essay had you guys had consensual sex um

00:26:03.240 the first time we had sex i was blackout drunk and was he no no no was he drunk at all uh he had a

00:26:13.940 little bit of alcohol yeah it was 420 i would have slept with him anyways um but him and his friends

00:26:18.940 purposely got me belligerently drunk um he wanted to take advantage of me it's well so that's about power

00:26:25.600 it's not about the sex wait so and and is that the essay that you're referring to yeah i think there's

00:26:31.540 about two other times in the relationship that essay occurred but that was like the most traumatizing

00:26:38.480 one i would say but you did you did have at other points in the relationship consensual sex with him

00:26:43.800 like you were with him for six years so i'm assuming many many times you had consensual sex with him

00:26:50.180 yeah okay yes and you said the the first time though you were blackout drunk but you would have had sex

00:26:58.000 with him regardless yeah he didn't have to do that to me he chose to because it's about power and

00:27:03.980 control it's not about the sex you said it was his friends that was it his friend all we were all

00:27:11.060 hanging out and they all encouraged me to drink they were all a little bit older than me um i was

00:27:17.660 very very i was a teenager so i didn't really know what i was doing and yeah i got blackout drunk

00:27:23.180 they all highly encouraged it uh two of them were in the other room when it happened they knew about

00:27:29.140 it they didn't care because people just don't really care a lot of the time for victims in your

00:27:36.180 in this group of friends or whatever were you guys like heavy partiers heavy drinkers

00:27:40.600 um was it was it common to drink to this degree not to that degree no but they were drinkers smokers

00:27:48.320 we were potheads all right uh okay so you're currently in a nine month situationship

00:27:55.100 excuse me relationship but it's sort of poly insofar as you want to bring other women in

00:28:01.800 okay what about you um i'm dating uh my last relationship was like two years ago it was nine

00:28:13.020 months um it was like my first actual relationship and uh how long did it last nine months nine months

00:28:23.800 your first relationship so you've been uh you said you're dating now so but are you consider

00:28:28.560 yourself single sure yeah so you've been single for two years then yeah okay um

00:28:33.940 but you're dating so are you currently romantically involved with anybody yeah

00:28:42.300 multiple people sure i'm not trying to be like whatever but yeah i mean yeah how many people are

00:28:51.880 you currently dating that's pretty normal people when they're like a couple like and there's some

00:28:56.580 that are like in and out like you know i feel like they always come back so like there's some that i'm

00:29:00.940 kind of not talking to and yeah so like there's some that like yeah up with here and there yeah

00:29:05.700 some uh so like how many are you like talking to currently probably like two three two or three

00:29:14.960 okay there's probably only one i'm really like sleeping with uh-huh yeah and then what are the

00:29:21.340 probably or there is no there is okay yeah well what about the what about the other ones

00:29:26.980 just you know texting have you like gone on dates or yeah um you know like bros in different area

00:29:35.520 codes right because you're a flight attendant yeah so it'd be like someone i met and then you know

00:29:41.840 like i won't see him for a while like i can you know but you you hooked up with them sometimes yes

00:29:48.860 sometimes no how many hoes in different area codes do you have like overall in my 10 years of being a

00:29:56.380 flight attendant yeah i don't keep track of that come on we need the we need the team i mean i can

00:30:03.840 get do you want to name a city and i'll tell you yes or no just a range i i don't know a number i

00:30:09.660 really don't phoenix yes i do tulsa i could figure something out phoenix yeah tulsa caltech not tulsa

00:30:17.100 not tulsa i could figure somebody out in phoenix i think yeah dc

00:30:20.020 uh no i don't know denver oh hair i'm in chicago i live in chicago denver yeah i could do o'hair

00:30:28.840 yeah denver um denver i could figure out like jfk jfk um

00:30:36.000 maybe i could make something work like more than 20 no no i mean 10 over 10 years oh over 10 years i

00:30:47.320 mean yeah i guess around there just you know i'm just living my life and it's not like i don't

00:30:53.880 date these people with intention it just um i'll date them and then if it doesn't work out it doesn't

00:30:59.580 work out but you know i'm not about to waste something if i'm in a city and i'm single like

00:31:04.620 i'll go see somebody and hang out with them sure yeah so the person that you are currently sleeping

00:31:10.440 with do the other two people that you're just kind of seeing do they know about that i'm not

00:31:15.640 sleeping with them so no so they don't know about that but you are dating them i'm just like talking

00:31:20.720 to them texting to them talking yeah like at the one i met he was do you think that it would change

00:31:26.440 from their end how they would perceive the conversation with you if they knew that you were

00:31:32.040 how could it i wouldn't think that would be fair what do you mean like so the one person like

00:31:37.100 because i'm not exclusive with anybody and we like kind of established that so i mean there was

00:31:45.720 one person that i went on a date with that was in chicago and he was just visiting for a weekend

00:31:51.180 we went on a date and it was a really nice time and then i thought it was going to be over and he

00:31:57.660 wanted to continue to talk to me okay um so you were texting a little bit back and forth i'm sorry

00:32:03.680 um we were texting a little bit back and forth and like i'm kind of letting things sizzle out with that

00:32:08.660 because i'm not sure if i like him um but then you know i have somebody that i'm kind of like

00:32:13.920 hooking up not kind of like i'm hooking up with in chicago um and then there's is this pretty common

00:32:21.680 with flight attendants by the way yes yeah yeah okay it's just you know it's kind of how the

00:32:27.960 lifestyle is how many how many flight attendants would you say practice kind of the same type of

00:32:32.160 thing most of them uh i think it depends on the situation i once had a flight attendant that i flew

00:32:39.440 with um she she had just given birth six months ago and she wouldn't breastfeed because she wanted

00:32:49.940 to drink and she had a we were flying from san francisco to boston and she had a craigslist ad

00:33:00.420 out before we even took off a woman seeking man and there were like 300 pictures and she had a man

00:33:09.760 set up before like we even took off and she hung out with him the whole layover but she had her baby

00:33:15.860 dad at home taking care of the baby she took some milf she sure is r.i.p she's no longer with us

00:33:22.580 with the airline no in the earth oh whoops um she was iconic she really was iconic in the best way

00:33:35.080 six month child yeah we went outside and smoked menthol cigarettes in her uh like little two-piece

00:33:43.560 nightgown it was amazing um so are you uh do you do international flights or just yes i do

00:33:52.160 international flights international so i'm just curious what's the typical um do the work weeks

00:33:57.280 tend to be pretty similar or is there quite variety so you might you might go to hawaii you'll stay there

00:34:02.440 for so so like for this i picked up a santa anna layover because it was the closest to santa barbara

00:34:09.600 and then i rented a car and drove over here so um since i've been a flight attendant for 10 years

00:34:14.800 i get like kind of control over my schedule 10 years is still pretty junior at my airline

00:34:19.900 um just because it's like a legacy carrier but um they like i can you kind of just like

00:34:30.800 you bid for a schedule every month and then you can trade and all kinds of stuff

00:34:34.520 so you're like in like the pineapple lifestyle sort of that's a like hawaii no that's called

00:34:41.500 the pineapple mafia that's all the people oh pineapple like swingers yeah no i mean i don't

00:34:47.420 i'm not opposed to anything like i live my life you're not a unicorn out there no no no no i i don't

00:34:54.340 even know what i'm doing tomorrow that's just always how i've wanted to live my life and i really

00:34:58.840 enjoy it so what's the average work week hours wise um so we don't get paid when we're on the

00:35:05.900 ground we only get paid like in flight hours uh so i average about like 80 to 90 hours a month

00:35:13.280 but that doesn't include like time on the ground it's really difficult to um explain it i could but

00:35:22.060 we'd be here for a while okay so um a couple questions here related to this so uh your home

00:35:30.660 base is chicago yes okay how often are you in chicago um pretty often i like to do turns so i go

00:35:37.440 out and come back every night this is the first like layover i've done in a long time okay so you're

00:35:43.780 back in chicago every day pretty much pretty much yeah okay i see okay um and then when it comes to

00:35:52.660 the like the hose and different area codes like will you knowing that you'll only be in the city

00:35:59.160 for a couple hours or maybe just overnight or whatever will you or like other flight attendants

00:36:06.440 beyond dating apps i mean i know you mentioned your girl she was on craigslist

00:36:11.640 trying to set things up before even being there right is that pretty common with the female

00:36:16.840 flight attendants they're trying to set something up just for like a short-term thing while they're

00:36:21.840 in the city it was it is like you know when you're younger i think a lot of you know women do end up

00:36:30.100 wanting like a marriage or you know some a steady partner so yeah let's say when they're starting their

00:36:35.720 career yeah yeah that's pretty normal like a lot of my classmates like my flight attendant

00:36:41.320 classmates they were always on the dating apps i lived in an apartment in san francisco with 13

00:36:46.040 other flight attendants and like a two-bedroom apartment it was like a everybody was on tinder

00:36:50.700 everything so so i don't know if you've seen this i mean i know you've seen the show before a little

00:36:55.820 bit but i actually warned men not to date flight attendants yeah no offense no offense or anything

00:37:00.800 but it's a massive red flag precisely because you're constantly traveling uh you're in a new city

00:37:06.300 like multiple i mean there needs to be trust or you just don't do the flight attendant sure

00:37:13.360 i mean the flight benefits are pretty nice though yeah if you don't like mind knowing that she's like

00:37:22.020 slept with but do you know that i do not in half the country literally but in in half the country

00:37:28.060 she slept in half the country well i mean slept with dudes in half the country i mean that's not

00:37:32.900 necessarily true yeah but isn't it hard to like if you're gone a lot wouldn't that contribute

00:37:40.220 contribute to making it difficult to develop a long-term monogamous relationship if you're gone

00:37:46.240 all the time yeah if all men have the mentality you do well let's assume they don't isn't it the

00:37:51.540 case that if you travel frequently for work it makes it harder to have a long-term relationship

00:37:56.280 um not if you make it a priority like i'm home every night in chicago now

00:38:00.700 okay but you've been doing this for 10 years yeah the case even at the beginning no it was not the

00:38:06.440 case in the beginning right so for how many years was it not not the case for a while and some of

00:38:11.920 that has to do with seniority right right but like i mean i knew that i wanted a job where

00:38:17.080 potentially i could you know have a marriage and kids and be part-time but also have a career

00:38:22.820 because eventually you know i'm 31 now so if i decide i want to get married and have kids i can

00:38:29.340 basically drop my schedule to nothing but still have complete health care and like have all of that

00:38:36.280 plus complete like free travel benefits for me and my family so i mean even if i've slept with half

00:38:42.740 the country that's a pretty sweet deal for the husband yeah don't you think for you to work a part-time

00:38:51.160 job no for me to not work at all you get health care and you and your whole entire family travel

00:38:57.760 for free when you say don't work at all what i don't i don't have to work if i don't want to

00:39:02.880 the only reason i work is because i have bills to pay like if the if the husband was the breadwinner

00:39:08.300 wait just one clarification yeah you're saying at 31 for the rest of your life you can just stop

00:39:14.080 working and they will continue to pay your health insurance for the rest of your life i mean i would

00:39:18.480 have to pay like i would have to pay the whatever i pay for health insurance like however many dollars

00:39:23.960 a month and like i'd work a trip or two just to like stay current and i'd have to go to recurrent

00:39:28.900 training but no right now i don't have to the only reason i go to work is to make money to pay my bills

00:39:36.160 i'm just a little confused about it's that flexible of a job well i'm i know airlines operate on

00:39:43.980 shoestring budgets right so i'm finding it a little dubious that they would keep someone on

00:39:49.180 give them free flights that they would give them free flights i mean it's standby so i will say that

00:39:55.100 that you would get free flights and health insurance for your spouse for you and your children if you

00:40:02.940 only did one flight a month i just don't see the numbers i could be wrong i have no ideas about the

00:40:07.740 airline industry i mean you pay for those things and you pay your dues i've paid my dues so you're in

00:40:12.580 a union yes okay yeah yes sir i am yeah so that's the that's the key yeah if she's in a union that's

00:40:20.940 more than possible yes i am in a union and i don't have a pension you just work one you do one flight

00:40:28.120 depends on your union contract man yeah well i don't know the details you have a union contract

00:40:32.480 you can say anything you want it to say a union and a pension and everything it's it's pretty nice

00:40:38.440 so okay a couple questions a couple questions here so um how many in the first year you worked

00:40:44.580 like how many different flights do you think you did i could not even come close to telling you

00:40:50.020 well there's no over uh 200 300 400 not even an idea like it's that's it's that crazy of a number

00:40:58.020 right but you must know above this no i no it's it's i was on reserve they were called 50

00:41:05.180 no it wasn't below right so above 100 200 i don't i i like i'm not i'm not okay so how about

00:41:12.860 be a jerk but i really that's fine so in a for the average flight attendant in a given year

00:41:17.920 how many flights is she gonna do i was literally just in a lawsuit where they were asking me the

00:41:24.780 same question and i could not answer it so i i really cannot answer it it i don't know it's

00:41:30.320 because it's different because sometimes you take vacation sometimes you're on a leave for

00:41:35.280 whatever it's it's different all the time okay well um how many different cities in the u.s do you

00:41:41.380 think you've been to probably most of them do you think you've been in every single state no

00:41:45.980 most states most of them yes okay um i'm just trying to look how many flights a year flight attendant

00:41:54.340 yeah see if you could find it how many hours uh flight attendants can work oh wait 65 to 85 flight

00:42:04.820 hours per month um i'm not there's nothing that's immediately coming up but i mean so you have to

00:42:13.500 think about over the course of a career or even the first few years if they're in a new city every

00:42:19.820 night and they're on tinder i have to assume that they're like it's fair to say thousands at least

00:42:23.340 right thousands of flights flights sure okay yeah and then but sometimes you're so like they're not

00:42:31.280 hooking up with people every time no of course not but it happened the opportunity is there the

00:42:37.340 opportunity is there but it's not something that's like i would say it's more not than often but so i

00:42:47.400 mean compared to a woman who one times out of a hundred layovers well right but we're just looking

00:42:54.440 at risk assessment so if you look at risk assessment you would agree risk for what well i'll explain

00:42:59.060 so if you had a husband who's a traveling salesman his opportunity probably would drastically increase

00:43:05.500 to step out without you knowing about it sure right so if that is the case if you present uh if you're

00:43:13.360 presented with opportunity over and over again let's say you know you're on a a diet against

00:43:19.860 sweets but your whole house is packed with sweets right whenever that you see the opportunity right

00:43:25.160 it's much easier for you to grab something and eat it that you're not supposed to eat just because

00:43:30.660 it's available same thing with like alcohol right if you have a house full of alcohol and you were

00:43:35.340 somebody you didn't want to drink alcohol your chances would necessarily increase that you would

00:43:40.100 probably grab the alcohol at some point so the thing is it's just like with the traveling salesman

00:43:45.040 but brian's saying it's not it's not saying that all all flight attendants would do this any more than

00:43:50.220 all traveling salesmen would but just that the the risk assessment would necessarily go up i guess that

00:43:56.560 doesn't make sense to me because my dad is a traveling salesman so yeah so your dad probably would

00:44:02.180 never step out in a million years no but that really doesn't matter it's just like saying there's tons of

00:44:07.540 people who would have the self-control and the will not to eat the sweets or drink the booze or

00:44:10.680 whatever right but just the fact that it's there opens up opportunity that normally would not be

00:44:16.540 there and so it increases the risk right and i've dated plenty of men that aren't like in the airline

00:44:22.800 industry and have still cheated on me like i feel like the the factor is always there yeah yeah yeah

00:44:28.340 but i'm just saying that the risk would be higher okay in some occupations would you think the reward

00:44:34.480 would be higher what do you mean like with like i mean i i would think my value as a spouse would be

00:44:41.120 higher oh yeah yeah well sure i mean depending on your occupation your value could be yeah yeah of

00:44:47.580 course but specifically when we're just talking about the idea of why would it be a red flag to date a

00:44:55.020 flight attendant it might be the same reason it would be maybe a red flag to date a traveling salesman

00:45:00.640 sure because it just increases the opportunity for the amount of x people you could meet so it

00:45:06.260 increases the potential that that would sure but everybody has red flags yeah but but but it's

00:45:11.520 like a tier right so there's going to be some red flags that are worse than others like for instance if

00:45:15.840 i came if i if i went on a date with a woman and said yeah i just got out of the mental hospital

00:45:19.860 yesterday and i'm admitted monthly wouldn't that be a higher red flag than uh oh i recovered from

00:45:26.700 alcohol 20 years ago and haven't touched it since i mean i don't know if that's i think it depends

00:45:33.540 because you can relapse from alcohol anytime but i mean yes you could relapse but if you if you

00:45:40.680 recovered let's say 10 years ago or 20 years ago it's showing a sign that your chance of you relapsing

00:45:46.200 are very low because you just got out of a mental hospital yesterday right it's not showing that the

00:45:51.980 chances of you being readmitted are very low right i mean i like to meet people where they're at

00:45:56.260 so i don't know if i would i would make that assessment but um yeah but it's reasonable to

00:46:03.520 make that assessment right yeah that's that's all he's saying but like is flight attendant really that

00:46:08.580 big of a deal like is that that red flag of a career yeah i think i think from a man's standpoint yeah

00:46:17.480 that if you have women who are traveling often uh away from the man or the family unit or things

00:46:24.820 like that that yeah that would be a big problem but like i'm home every night well now you are you

00:46:29.860 are now yeah so but but if you weren't then that would be different yeah that would be different oh

00:46:35.680 okay right and this was a thing too like when did you start going back every single night just maybe

00:46:41.320 last year recently yeah i mean now that i'm like you know not in my 20s anymore like i'm ready to be

00:46:46.020 an adult yeah sure so so there's people who do long-haul trucking same thing they're home every

00:46:50.300 night yeah right they do the same route every day they're home every night yeah i think that that

00:46:53.880 but what's the point of that right it also mitigates opportunity oh yeah and you got to be careful with

00:46:58.300 those trucking guys they like the lot lizards what's a what the lot lizards yeah is that like a gay

00:47:06.060 joke oh no no no no it's not a gay joke hang out like truck stops and yeah sleep with

00:47:11.800 trucks wait just to be clear so you object to this sort of bias against flight attendants

00:47:21.400 but you also have a corresponding bias against truck drivers that was definitely a joke but i mean i

00:47:28.640 don't not have the bias against yeah hang on but it's a joke based on a stereotype sure i made a joke

00:47:34.800 about flight attendants i said the same thing that i was sleeping around when i was a flight

00:47:38.960 the joke itself exists based on the stereotype just like the joke about flight flight attendants

00:47:43.180 being promiscuous the stereotype did i not say bros in different area codes i made a joke about myself

00:47:48.480 too yeah sure um and you said something though well wouldn't the value due to me being a flight

00:47:56.820 attendant offset these concerns about me not being as available to spend time with a partner or perhaps

00:48:05.740 risks of infidelity or past promiscuity could you just clarify what you mean by

00:48:11.500 this value i'm a little confused i mean i feel like um i feel like if we're doing a risk assessment

00:48:19.380 it's like isn't there always like a pro versus a con that's that's kind of what i was thinking that you

00:48:25.220 were talking about so i was like well if there's a risk you kind of have to weigh it against a reward

00:48:30.480 so i was saying like but the reward what's the reward i mean i i thought i already explained all

00:48:36.960 that well so okay the all the perks and benefits yeah the health insurance for spouse and child

00:48:43.800 yeah and then um flights travel flights and then i i mean i could stay and then health insurance

00:48:51.900 and i could stay home and be like a full-time parent while still having a job

00:48:55.940 um i'm not sure if free flights and health insurance

00:49:03.640 juxtaposed to prompt promiscuous past chance of promiscuous past higher risk of infidelity

00:49:14.840 i don't think those are going to outweigh the uh and also men typically don't really prioritize a

00:49:23.260 female's career well i guess we wouldn't be a match brian i'm not trying to date you i'm just

00:49:28.140 speaking in generalities i don't do you speak for all men yeah most men i'd say don't really

00:49:33.620 don't really prioritize in terms of what they find attractive you wouldn't prioritize a woman's

00:49:39.560 career she paid your entire health care so you wouldn't have to go on your own i can get into

00:49:44.320 that but so yes i would generalize generally speaking men in terms of you making yourself

00:49:51.140 more attractive to men your career is not really going to be a major factor in terms of his

00:49:58.420 traveling the world for free isn't a factor not really no not really no that doesn't sound fun to

00:50:04.380 you then we definitely would not be a match i'm not i'm speaking no but like if you want to travel

00:50:10.040 with your partner like wouldn't that be something you would want to do like sure yeah traveling's nice

00:50:15.220 but you don't have to be a flight attendant to travel but no but i don't travel for free like

00:50:18.960 you would get to go more places so so when you're talking about um so i agree with you yeah find some

00:50:25.620 common ground here yeah so i agree with one point and then i'm going to kind of disagree with a

00:50:29.220 different one sure so the point i'll find common ground with you on is yeah i think that everything's

00:50:33.720 a given trade in a relationship so i think you're right yeah that you could look at it and say

00:50:37.880 there's a lot of perks right uh which outweigh these kind of these non-beneficial things right

00:50:44.880 but i would also argue that kind of the biggest the biggest thing that nobody wants in their

00:50:53.200 relationships and fidelity that that is the big one right more than any other type so if you're

00:50:59.020 weighing anything against that that's almost always going to win right sure so then if the thing that

00:51:06.040 you're doing increases the risk of this big thing which is the infidelity then you can understand

00:51:11.740 why men would see that as something to stay clear of sure i think that's kind of like a worst case

00:51:16.900 scenario so i mean you know for me it would just be then if that's something that's important to

00:51:25.020 them and they're not willing to give me a shot then they're not my type of person yeah that's fair

00:51:28.620 yeah well how would you feel if like the woman's unemployed altogether like is that bad too

00:51:34.940 no men don't give a shit all right fair enough they don't usually care if women it's not a big

00:51:40.460 deal to them usually i really don't know if that's how all men feel i'm not i'm not going to put

00:51:48.500 anything in a monolith and say all but well when you sit here and say men don't give a shit well so

00:51:53.940 when i say men i am speaking in generality but i'm not saying all i've never say all to anything i've

00:51:58.440 never put anything in a monolith and say there's always applies to everybody everywhere because there's

00:52:03.720 no possible way to do that so we're saying but we but human beings do speak in heuristics

00:52:07.820 and so when i say things like hand me all of that stuff over there right i'm not saying to hand me

00:52:14.420 everything in the world right i'm just saying hand me all of whatever it is that you think it is that

00:52:19.260 i want yeah but all of these cups versus all the men in the world is a very different all of which

00:52:23.940 cups saying right like no but like all of these cups or hand me all of that is different than all

00:52:30.640 of the men i'm just explaining yeah but like so i'm so i'm giving you the explanation of the heuristic

00:52:36.120 so i'm just saying the explanation of my heuristic when i say all right and i didn't even say all but

00:52:41.280 when i say men i'm not saying every man i'm just saying men in general so you would probably find

00:52:47.620 this trait more common in men than not men here's an i here here let me give you an example okay men

00:52:53.240 have balls now that's not all men there are some men who have no balls you and i would agree that

00:53:00.000 that is true but when i say men have balls is there any confusion about what i'm talking about

00:53:05.180 i can't hold on i can give a much i would like an answer to the question though is it really is

00:53:11.200 anybody really confused about what i'm talking about when i say men have balls

00:53:14.180 sure but i feel like you're breaking down way what we were talking about a long time ago to

00:53:20.420 men have balls yeah you don't speak for all men because men have do i speak for all men when i

00:53:25.880 say men have balls you said men don't give a shit how does that equate to men have balls i'm just saying

00:53:31.840 i'm saying in general if you look at what you're creating what men here what men report as being

00:53:37.160 preferential what's the fallacy oh i have all my fallacies written down we can look it up tell me

00:53:42.720 which one which fallacy let's see oh maybe it's slippery slope so like if no that wouldn't be

00:53:48.800 the slippery slope fallacy you do you know the slippery slope fallacy is uh well thing bad is bad

00:53:58.040 because yeah that's that's not that's not the slippery slope yeah i don't know if it's quite

00:54:03.440 straw man yet i know you like that one a lot though i don't think it's definitely not a straw man

00:54:07.820 no not yet we might get there though yeah i'll let you know and if you feel like i'm straw manning

00:54:12.540 you just ask me to steel man your position and then that way you know for sure that i'm not

00:54:17.220 straw manning okay yeah so anyway so when i so i'm clarifying the use of my language so when i say all

00:54:23.080 i'm just speaking in generality i'm not actually putting everything in a monolith okay okay so i'm

00:54:28.480 not saying every single man on planet earth this applies so for me so i understand better how how many

00:54:35.000 men are you speaking for well so general just over 51 would be general right okay and how did

00:54:40.980 you get those numbers so i would look at this from the operation of reports what men report as

00:54:46.160 preferences and where do you get those reports well you get them from a variety of places sometimes we

00:54:50.580 you gotta let me answer the question before you shotgun the next one sure look in your list of

00:54:55.140 fallacies and read what gish gallop means i don't have gish gallop oh well that's what you're

00:54:59.260 doing yeah you shotgun so many questions that i can't actually answer them you're gish galloping okay

00:55:04.320 you should write that fallacy down sure i will take my course by the way on fallacies

00:55:08.660 i would never take your course so anyway you get these things from a variety of places uh one place

00:55:16.640 that we get a lot of these things from is pew research pew research dives in especially to

00:55:20.460 dating quite a bit and we can pull these things up so what you would be looking for for data like this

00:55:26.120 men don't give a shit about if women are working or not you can look at the financial status of

00:55:30.960 preferences that men are reporting in the in the financial brackets of what they prefer to date

00:55:36.000 and it turns out they don't really have a ton of preferences there but women do so that's so we can

00:55:41.700 kind of ascertain here in a general sense that men don't really care that much i feel about women's

00:55:47.180 financial kind of like a hasty generalization no no that's not a hasty generalization no no no okay

00:55:54.980 that's a literal that that's a literal explanation for why it is i'm saying what i'm saying be the

00:56:01.120 opposite of a hasty general but like a plus b doesn't equal c not to me i don't think like that

00:56:06.960 well no this isn't a well first of all this isn't a plus b equals c you're saying like the this is so

00:56:13.200 this i'm just telling you all i'm doing is regurgitating data at you that's it from pew research

00:56:19.360 okay you find it from pew research right this particular set of data you find it in other

00:56:23.600 places too um but it's not very controversial right that men don't really date based around

00:56:30.480 financial status of women but that women do date based around financial status of men sure okay

00:56:35.620 yeah great i'm just glad like i didn't know men give a shit like i just wanted to make sure that

00:56:40.520 yeah but generally they don't care that much no so i think we we even granted that we're speaking

00:56:45.960 in generalities here sure i don't think i even think i said i immediately after i made my statement

00:56:51.680 i'm pretty sure i said in general men don't really when it comes to what they find attractive don't

00:56:57.600 really care when it comes to women's status or their finances or their money but you're asking well

00:57:03.900 like how do we come to this conclusion i mean do you so for example do you think it would be wrong to

00:57:08.700 say women generally prefer tall men i don't know that we love a short king that's like a whole thing

00:57:17.760 on instagram like women generally don't want to be hit by a man hold on i mean sure that's a thing

00:57:24.000 but that's abuse yeah people don't want to be hit that's but that's the same general it's the same

00:57:32.600 general okay hold on hold on do you think that most people don't jive annick donated 200 stop stop

00:57:39.920 i became an attorney so my wife wouldn't have to worry about money idgf what she makes because i make

00:57:46.400 enough men don't care priority is she's attractive christly and wifely and motherly so you can if

00:57:54.880 you're looking at this and i can i can see that you want to look at it logically which is good

00:57:58.320 so if you're looking at it logically let's do a quick logic lesson if i say most people don't

00:58:03.760 want to get hit by a car and die do you know that sure how do you know that

00:58:07.640 i mean i would because you're using intuition yeah you're using intuition so can i use intuition to

00:58:16.100 say most women probably like taller men i just don't think that's a that's well if everything i see

00:58:23.260 is women with men taller than them why couldn't i intuit i don't see that though you don't

00:58:28.300 i don't think you're looking in the right are men on average taller than women because if they are

00:58:32.940 then on average you should see taller men with shorter women i really don't need to belabor this

00:58:39.860 point like i understand where you're coming from okay if you want to keep belaboring it no i really

00:58:44.360 need to i don't i've swept i've swiped through plenty of men who lie about their height they're

00:58:48.980 five nine they're not sure whatever like i don't think that but most of the time when you see a man

00:58:54.360 with a woman he's taller than the woman right i mean i don't know most of the time you don't know

00:59:00.180 if they're taller than the woman what does tall mean to you does that mean shorter than the woman

00:59:04.240 same height as the woman or does that mean is above the woman i don't walk down the street and count

00:59:09.580 he's taller he's shorter he's taller he's shorter no but you do walk through an airport okay hey that's

00:59:14.360 i do walk through an airport but then i sometimes i wear heels and sometimes i don't

00:59:19.900 are men on average stronger than women sure okay how do you know okay well how do you know

00:59:29.040 so that's scientific how do you know biology i don't know how do i know i'm asking you how do

00:59:36.980 you know how do you know it's scientific can you quote me the paper where are you getting that stat

00:59:40.360 from i don't i didn't give a stat to you you just said so if you can't tell me scientifically how you

00:59:48.360 know that men are generally stronger than women how do you know that is it because you just kind

00:59:54.600 of notice as you look around that men pick up heavier shit than women do now i feel like you're

00:59:59.840 straw manning me what's the straw man now i feel like you're breaking down tell you what down my

01:00:05.080 argument to something that was from before i mean that's exactly what it is a straw man would be if

01:00:11.560 i'm arguing against a position you don't hold you i asked you yeah do you think that men on average

01:00:18.320 are stronger than women okay hold on one moment okay okay so this is from purdue.edu straw man

01:00:27.020 oversimplifies opponent's viewpoint and then attacks that hollow argument yeah so hollow argument would be

01:00:32.580 a position you don't hold well a hollow argument would be like nobody wants to get hit by a car

01:00:37.320 obviously nobody wants to get hit by a car that's hollow versus because nobody okay i don't like i

01:00:43.780 mean so it's okay for me to intuit things based on observation it's okay for you to intuit things

01:00:49.400 based on observation but somehow somehow when i make a generalization about these things i intuit

01:00:54.700 based on observation that's bad but when you do it it's okay well i think you are generalizing for

01:01:00.900 a like a sex and it's something that is like i'm trying to think how i want to say this because

01:01:12.760 i don't think i mean you know even if i want to backtrack that to say that you're right and it's

01:01:22.100 wrong to make generalizations about anybody i can make generalizations that i don't know that nobody

01:01:27.060 wants to get hit by a car if you say that it's wrong to make generalizations about anybody aren't

01:01:31.660 you making a generalization then how would i i would say that it's wrong to make generalizations

01:01:40.800 as a blanket statement that would be a generalization no it's not how is it not a generalization because

01:01:46.280 it's wrong yeah to make generalizations but that's not general that's not a general statement no that's

01:01:53.180 so would it be wrong for most people to make general statements no it would be wrong to make

01:01:59.360 a generalization for anybody to say most people to make a generalization that would be a generalization

01:02:04.400 for me to say it's wrong to make a generalization that is just a general

01:02:09.440 radio and he says suspect white tall heading southbound he's wrong

01:02:18.320 that's i said it's wrong to make a generalization that's a generalization he's white and he's tall

01:02:28.920 that's a description it's a general description it's a generalization these are heuristics white

01:02:34.700 is a heuristic tall is a heuristic do you want to get out webster's dictionary yeah get it out

01:02:38.640 bring it up get it out bring it up is this how you want to spend the whole podcast because i will

01:02:43.020 sit here if you want to do pedantry i'll do pedantry i don't want to well then if you don't want to

01:02:47.860 and just say if you want to make general statements that everybody can intuitively see are true like

01:02:53.220 that well men are taller than women men are generally stronger than women because we can

01:02:58.080 intuit those things as being too true generally i can we don't have an argument i won't i won't sit

01:03:02.140 here and accept men don't give a shit about a woman's uh career okay would you accept that most

01:03:08.780 don't i just don't think that most being over 51 no i wouldn't accept that okay so you you think

01:03:16.580 that over 51 of men are selecting women based on how much money they earn no what do you think

01:03:22.540 they're selecting them on i wouldn't know i'm not a man yeah so then how could you offer refutation

01:03:30.080 to anything i said if you just don't know because i don't think that you know but even even if i give

01:03:37.520 you the stats if you gave me the stats i would believe you that's it though yeah okay so then brian

01:03:43.020 can you pull up the stats on whether or not men are looking for i would absolutely shake your hand

01:03:49.000 and say i was wrong if you gave me the stats yeah you can pull them up they're pulling them up right

01:03:52.400 now sure men definitely do not select women based on their finances but the other way around is true

01:03:58.620 okay is nick pulling those up yep we could have done this 10 minutes ago that's all i needed

01:04:09.500 i mean this if this kind of so the thing is interesting is i wouldn't think that this would

01:04:18.880 be the thing you'd want to challenge because this is beyond no it wasn't that's why i didn't mean to

01:04:22.900 keep going on obvious but it's fine we'll pull them up that's why there's like actual sugar baby

01:04:28.900 sites you know like a lot of apps just for women to find men they're sugar they're sugar men i feel

01:04:34.280 like there's more ones for what about gay men is that uh how are we factoring that in i didn't for

01:04:40.360 what um we're talking about men and women not men and men we were talking about sugar babies even if

01:04:45.440 we were factoring in gay men they're still not to say i see what that i see how that's different

01:04:49.920 very small because we're looking but we're looking for women who are can like concerned with

01:04:55.660 somebody's finances yeah we're just seeing if men generally are selecting based on finances or the

01:05:01.540 fact that they want to have sex with the chick i say that it's because they select for beauty sure

01:05:06.920 not because not money okay that would be their primary reason so are we saying for sex or for

01:05:11.920 relationships no they're selecting physical characteristics not external than physical

01:05:17.600 characteristics meaning if you're a really hot chick who makes really a small amount of money

01:05:22.260 for sex versus an ugly chick who makes a lot of money most men will go for the attractive

01:05:26.540 for sex or relationships both i can actually answer this hold on i think you're actually setting this

01:05:33.580 up perfectly with this question so i'm actually prepared to say that when it comes to what andrew's

01:05:38.340 saying that men select more when it comes to beauty physical attractiveness you're saying sex

01:05:43.520 casual are you when you say sex are you saying like just simply casual yeah yeah i would actually

01:05:48.040 argue that when it comes to sex men are far less selective just sex absolutely when it comes to looks

01:05:53.760 to get into a relationship with a man he's going to be far more selective when it comes to looks

01:05:58.860 and other but he's still going to prioritize looks looks in the relationship sure yeah but i would also

01:06:05.760 over the financial status which is the point would you think also that let me let me pose a situation

01:06:15.320 to you if there was a woman like a really beautiful woman she was so beautiful but like way in debt

01:06:23.720 twenty thousand dollars in debt versus a woman who was like you know not quite as beautiful but like

01:06:30.960 you know there you could fuck her you know you like that's okay you wouldn't mind but like she

01:06:36.840 made a lot of money and you wouldn't have to worry about it what would you do so if you make a

01:06:41.920 prioritization and we can say this value here in this case x is beauty is the thing that they're

01:06:48.620 prioritizing over all other things doesn't mean everything else is worthless as a value add it just

01:06:54.320 means this is the primary thing so if you were to shift the primary value here and just slightly make

01:07:00.160 it lower and then offset it with this secondary thing and make it way higher they may select for

01:07:05.140 that sure i'm not disputing that but it wouldn't change the fact that this thing here is still the

01:07:10.900 primary thing that they're looking so you think that looks are the number one thing that men care

01:07:14.680 about and not finances i think that physical attractiveness and beauty is a thing that they're

01:07:18.540 drawn to more than any other wait do you think that finance is the number one thing men are looking

01:07:23.420 for what do you think the number one thing men are looking i'm not sure because if i think if i knew

01:07:28.400 i would probably like i don't know actually personality i would say most men are looking for a partner

01:07:35.340 to go through life and yeah right their own line yeah i would think it would be a mix of everything

01:07:40.380 you know i i don't think like some hot girl like some hot bitch that's fifty thousand dollars in debt

01:07:47.100 walking down the street you're like that's me that's my wife you know so do you agree with me

01:07:53.880 that procreation is necessary for humanity to continue to exist no well oh to continue to exist

01:07:59.780 yeah but i don't think humanity to continue to exist so if that is the case you do agree with me that

01:08:04.740 this was done by a man and a woman having sexual intercourse she became pregnant and then she had a baby

01:08:11.580 right that's how that's done sure so how would a man select for that for who he wanted to impregnate

01:08:19.300 how would he select for that what would be the what would be the thing within five seconds a man could

01:08:26.360 look at instantly and go want to have you want to put a baby have you heard about the man riding the

01:08:33.300 elephant like that theory okay so before we get into that yeah okay would you agree with me

01:08:41.640 that within a few seconds right men can utilize the standard of beauty to quickly ascertain whether

01:08:47.940 or not they want to impregnate a woman sure yeah sure right so yeah women women also absolutely

01:08:55.000 i'm not literally not disputing that at all yeah okay however women might prioritize other

01:09:01.740 categorizations than just this thing sure when you look at somebody in the first five seconds hang

01:09:06.540 on so men's categorization for okay i see beauty right whoa beautiful great awesome women might look

01:09:16.720 at other things they might be like a nice suit nice car nice this nice set they may have some other value

01:09:21.500 add that they're looking for but for men they're looking visually very quickly ascertaining very quickly

01:09:26.900 hot want i think what you're talking about is like the the like the nature of a man right like his

01:09:34.520 animal instinct i think that's the same for a woman like i think you're talking about like like i said

01:09:40.360 the man riding the elephant like the elephants like the um the part of you that's like old and

01:09:45.540 inherent and like the um what you're doing in your subconscious and i think like okay a man is

01:09:51.280 seeing a woman oh she's hot i want to impregnate her a woman is seeing a man like strong features

01:09:57.220 i don't think in the first five seconds like i'm not looking at a man and what he's wearing

01:10:05.160 grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars and one cent sorry tons of fun my wife had no money

01:10:13.000 and had a master's degree to pay for i married her because she was the only person i ever missed

01:10:18.820 it helped she's smoking hot and sexed me up like i like it yeah good one appreciate it uh we do

01:10:25.740 actually have the data that you were asking for it's from the pew research center nick if you can

01:10:30.600 wait where's it from pew let's do it wait from pew where did i say it was from hell yeah let's do it

01:10:36.000 okay americans say a man should be able to support a family financially but don't say the same about

01:10:42.740 women percent of adults saying it is very important that man woman has each trait in order to be

01:10:47.600 a good husband in the uh teal green whatever and uh in the yellow gold good wife partner so on the

01:10:56.840 second one be able to support a family financially they uh i believe this is from women to men so 71

01:11:04.200 percent of uh women to men say that they want a good husband partner to be able to support a family

01:11:10.980 financially 32 percent of men are saying that in order to be a good wife partner the woman needs to

01:11:18.620 be able to support you remember how you said earlier if we pull this up from pew and you said

01:11:24.780 i proved you wrong that you would say that you were wrong absolutely i'm wrong you're wrong yeah i'm

01:11:29.340 wrong you're right who's wait i was right oh yeah you're right absolutely thanks for sharing the

01:11:34.480 data i really appreciate that uh but just to make one thing clear so we do speak in generalizations

01:11:40.820 here like andrew said you can intuit some of these things we're not going to be able to pull up

01:11:46.140 statistics in each and every instance when we're just having sort of casual conversations like people

01:11:52.700 can just throw out general statements about things and we're not always going to be able to pull up the

01:11:58.800 statistics again they're just general statements they're not facts but like i do you need a study

01:12:05.420 to do you need a study to show that generally speaking women prefer tall men

01:12:10.580 i don't want to belabor the point well you could just answer the question and i can move it on

01:12:18.300 if i say yes then i'm gonna then we're gonna belabor the point like there should be evidence behind

01:12:24.920 what you say i agree with that so sure we can speak in generalizations this is an informal podcast

01:12:31.900 we're not on joe rogan we don't need to look evidence but evidence can be intuitive sure that's

01:12:36.980 great i really do would love to move on from this yeah okay so how about this uh do i need like a study

01:12:44.140 for example if i were to say that the sky is blue do i need a study for that or can we just observe

01:12:50.360 with our own eyes that it's blue do we need to study

01:12:54.060 is my blue different than your blue how do we know what blue is blue i'm not trying to do a

01:13:04.220 gotcha i'm just trying to like sure no we can generalize that the sky is blue yes we can say

01:13:09.100 that the sky is blue and certainly there are people who are perhaps colorblind who might register it as

01:13:12.660 gray yeah but i don't think it would i don't think it would be wrong to make a statement i just

01:13:17.500 the sky is blue i am telling you this is not something that i need to keep talking about

01:13:22.180 these women are way more interesting than this topic i really don't want to keep talking about

01:13:27.860 i mean everybody deserves to have some time but yeah i mean if you're gonna

01:13:30.760 i mean the point needed to be belabored because we if we're gonna have communication sure we have

01:13:37.940 to know how to big on it yeah we have to know how to communicate i have a degree in communication

01:13:41.660 yeah so then you agree that we need to know how to communicate yeah and i i think that there if

01:13:45.820 you're gonna quote a statistic that's not over like overall like inherent like the sky is blue

01:13:54.800 that's something i think everybody could agree on i don't i didn't agree on that so i asked you for

01:13:59.880 research we could have just done that in two seconds instead of a 10 minute argument of why

01:14:04.000 he was pulling the research up okay that way that way we could we could but but the thing is is

01:14:09.820 i so so now it's my turn to say what i have trouble believing absolutely very difficult for

01:14:15.460 me to believe in current year that women don't know that men don't have much in the way of

01:14:24.660 preferences towards women's finances i don't know that yeah okay i mean you have to think of like

01:14:31.420 where like i mean where i'm i live in in my like space that's not okay you know can i ask you a

01:14:40.180 question so do you think using you as an example sure that a man would prefer how do i want to frame

01:14:51.100 this here i can't speak to what men know so i don't know well you're a flight attendant you get these perks

01:14:57.120 they would potentially benefit a boyfriend or future husband uh given that do you think they

01:15:05.380 would prefer you as is with your job or let's say you are somehow magically able to transform and be

01:15:14.960 like three points more attractive but you don't have a job and you're a barista and you make minimum

01:15:21.300 wage do you think they'd prefer you as you are now with your really cool job or whatever

01:15:26.440 or three points more attractive but you're just a barista and you make minimum wage i mean i think

01:15:32.020 that's okay if somebody thinks that but that's that's their opinion in terms of your romantic

01:15:37.860 prospects do you think you would do better in the dating landscape the dating marketplace

01:15:42.040 with one or the other um i don't think it matters because i wouldn't want to date somebody that

01:15:49.820 would want me to be three points hotter but be a barista so i would rather be single but in terms of

01:15:55.680 romantic interest showing your way okay so fine you you personally would not want to date a man

01:16:01.400 who would find who would want to partner with a woman of a lower socioeconomic status you don't you

01:16:08.040 would find that disgusting that's fine no that's not what i said well i said i said that's not my

01:16:15.120 preference but you're okay you said that i said i i value other things besides looks so i wouldn't

01:16:23.820 want a person that values looks over everything else yeah i think that that's fair i'm just saying

01:16:28.840 the the heart of the question see and you could have hit him with the straw man that would have

01:16:33.280 worked that might have been a straw but anyway um the thing is is uh the the heart of the question

01:16:40.160 what we're trying to get at is whether or not you would prefer that right we're trying to look at

01:16:44.440 it from the other perspective do you think that men would likely have a preference towards one or the

01:16:50.000 other i didn't we just have this conversation no i i can't speak to what men would like okay

01:16:57.200 do you have no opinion on whether or not why can't women speak to what men like i'm not a man i don't

01:17:04.900 know but like as men we've kind of learned to some degree certain things that men or excuse me that

01:17:12.260 women liken men women like confident guys they like tall successful etc etc i don't think that

01:17:19.800 this is well i mean i sat here and said i feel like i'm a valuable person because i have a great

01:17:25.900 job and a lot of things to offer and you just sat here and said no you don't so that's a straw man

01:17:30.820 there you go and you said well most men don't think so it had nothing to do with your value as a person

01:17:37.720 but like when it comes to didn't you say that most men don't care about finances yeah but that

01:17:42.600 so me saying most can't most men are dating around a financial preference has nothing to do with your

01:17:47.980 value oh okay why would that have anything to do with your value well i guess not yeah but i i thought

01:17:54.700 that my finances brought value to my dating they will yeah that's what i thought of course she's

01:18:00.720 absolutely right to somebody i'm sure that they will right so but most most men so i thought i knew

01:18:07.540 what most men like so obviously i'm wrong so i really can't speak to what most men would like

01:18:12.360 that's what i'm saying is like i was wrong i told andrew i was wrong i'm wrong it's fine i'm wrong

01:18:19.720 uh let's get through the rest of the relationship please yes please dear lord go ahead

01:18:25.900 i'm single i've been single for three years and my last relationship was like five months

01:18:32.800 and he ghosted me out of nowhere and sorry the longest relationship was five months you said

01:18:38.920 or was it five months ago no that was my last relationship my longest is three years three

01:18:43.080 years and so you've been single for five months no i've been single for like three years but that

01:18:47.840 relationship was like five months the one that ended three years ago it was a five okay yeah all

01:18:52.980 right all right got it what about you i've been married for 14 years hey congratulations i was

01:19:00.220 the nanny okay uh any any kids wait wait what we have three we four kids together three kids

01:19:10.040 together but we have four kids wait wait back up to the nanny thing what what now i was the nanny

01:19:15.300 was there a wife yeah but yeah which way did you marry um so i was my husband then his ex-wife's

01:19:24.180 nanny oh and then were they married at the time no not when we got together they were separated

01:19:30.600 oh after shana bear oh gotcha yeah so wait you met your now husband when he was married to another

01:19:40.060 woman correct and you were working for them i was nannying yes and was there did you hook up

01:19:46.920 with the husband no not during the course of the relationship or no no no oh okay not when i was

01:19:53.720 nannying like but you she and have ended up having an affair with my roommate and then they and separated

01:20:03.240 and then he and i ended up actually randomly getting together like a month before the divorce was

01:20:08.820 finalized okay cool um interesting yeah uh what about you um i'm currently single i'm talking to

01:20:19.820 somebody but uh in my last well my longest relationship was two years and he broke up with

01:20:26.940 me when i the day i got my wisdom teeth out while i was high on the anesthesia they give you yes

01:20:32.720 that's awesome wait so definitely not awesome brutality yes

01:20:40.640 wait so you've been single for how long um two years now all right two years um and this is the

01:20:50.260 one that ended this guy yeah it ended two years ago okay and we were dating for two years dating for

01:20:57.960 two years into two years ago yes okay uh he broke up with you on the day you got your wisdom teeth

01:21:03.460 out any reason why did you talk to him about it yeah we fought a lot like a lot um but like

01:21:10.900 i don't really know why he chose to do it on that day maybe it's because i was born out of it and he was

01:21:18.200 like oh well maybe it won't hurt as bad because she's high but when you said you just forgot you were

01:21:24.220 getting your wisdom teeth out no he knew and he actually my mom like she offered to like take

01:21:29.860 care of me when i got my wisdom teeth out because they say not to leave like leave the person alone

01:21:34.920 um and he said no it's okay i got her did you guys argue the night before um no actually the night

01:21:42.420 before he uh we have a we have a dog together he asked me if i wanted to get another dog with him

01:21:48.180 the night before we were not arguing and you said you guys argued a lot yes everything we just like

01:21:56.620 he's i know that sounds bad that he broke up with me because my wisdom teeth but he he's not a bad guy

01:22:02.140 like we we just have very different opinions on things and like what um just life in general like

01:22:10.980 i don't know i feel like he's a very stubborn person and he can't really

01:22:14.560 it's it's kind of hard to explain but we we just didn't get along great who would start the

01:22:20.460 arguments um probably me yeah probably you yeah probably me um what's an example of an argument

01:22:29.020 let me think um

01:22:31.840 gosh it's well it's been two years i don't really remember an exact argument we had

01:22:39.420 oh um okay so one time uh he was laying in front of me and he had his phone out and um he was on

01:22:48.120 snapchat and like i'm fine with him like having friends that are girls and like talking to them

01:22:53.620 that's fine with me but this girl posted a picture like very clearly showing off her boobs and in front

01:23:01.700 of me he commented on it and he just said boobs i know like he didn't put like hard eyes or whatever but

01:23:08.500 we got an argument about that because i was like that's not okay and why would you do that it makes

01:23:12.520 no sense why are you okay with that i'm i'm not that's why no i mean like why are you like what is

01:23:17.960 it about them like a man that you're dating having female friends that showcase pictures like that

01:23:23.940 oh no no i don't i i mean i just i know i'm just curious i'm okay if they're friends with somebody

01:23:29.600 that does that as long as they're not hooking up with that person or commenting but if we're

01:23:36.340 establishing that men are their primary benefit of having women in their life is looking at them

01:23:43.000 wouldn't it be a red flag to you um no because i have a lot of guy friends that like i

01:23:51.140 right but your primary benefit with them is is like friendship right like i have guy friends

01:23:56.180 yeah like we all do but that's not the same for men well i don't i don't know i don't really

01:24:02.460 think that way i feel like i don't know i think that men can have women that's just not a problem

01:24:10.840 for me to be honest okay well one question um so you it seems like you had an issue with with this

01:24:17.500 uh do you during the course of the relationship would you post any sort of photos onto your instagram

01:24:25.060 like bikini photos or anything like that no well bikini photos but like he took them

01:24:31.160 so like he was fine he didn't have a problem with me posting that type of stuff same for

01:24:35.740 i mean he didn't really post on instagram but but so isn't the counter to a guy who is

01:24:42.600 liking other girls instagram posts i don't care i don't care isn't the kind of sort of equivalent

01:24:48.840 a woman like your girlfriend posting that sort of content on instagram um personally me i don't

01:24:57.380 think so i don't honestly i don't even know what i think when i post stuff like that um i kind of

01:25:05.600 i like my boyfriend to see it but yeah i guess i am posting it to my social media

01:25:09.960 because i mean the i don't think it's going to be a one-to-one with men and women because

01:25:16.140 typically when it comes to uh at least romantic interactions on these social media platforms

01:25:22.140 so men they're going to like they're going to slide into the dms women aren't really going to

01:25:30.060 slide into the dms they're going to post a revealing photo you're right or any photo in the hopes that

01:25:35.800 that garners them male attention and then they'll receive that attention they'll get a dm from a guy

01:25:42.600 okay well at the time i was doing i didn't really post a lot i think like i i posted like one bikini

01:25:50.340 photo that he took of me like because i liked how i looked sure anyways he broke up with you yeah uh

01:25:56.160 you got your wisdom teeth out maybe he was just doing it because he knew you wouldn't be able to

01:26:00.680 have an argument with him oh we still argued we still argued really yeah that's an l for him

01:26:06.700 um oh well you guys had like intermingling of you guys had an animal together yeah well yeah like

01:26:13.500 when you break up with somebody you don't really owe them anything yeah but um i kept the dog like

01:26:19.860 i don't think in a breakup situation you don't you you don't owe the person closure no i know but like

01:26:25.060 isn't it weird don't you think that like out of all days he could have broken up with me it happens

01:26:30.520 to be the day that like i just got my wisdom teeth out you disagree it's a little weird like it's not

01:26:37.760 outrageous but it is a little odd fair enough i just think ghosting is a really red flag no it's

01:26:42.640 not it's not ghosting yeah he didn't ghost me just like hey i'm i'm over it he came home from work

01:26:49.740 yeah and whatever he could have picked a day where she wasn't getting her wisdom teeth i know like the

01:26:54.260 next thing that i would hope that my partner would respect me enough for that i agree with that i just

01:26:58.900 want to ask a question at what point do you think you owe somebody closure i mean the longer the

01:27:04.720 longer you've been in a relationship but um he did give me closure though so we're all i don't think

01:27:10.460 if somebody feels uncomfortable with it you need to like oh okay let's have like multiple conversations

01:27:15.960 about this you want to continue having conversations about this i think you can have a singular

01:27:21.380 conversation about it and i think it can be fine sure great depends on the situation

01:27:28.720 i don't know women do that shit all the time it doesn't mean it's okay women ghost all the time

01:27:34.260 it doesn't mean it's okay sure men ghost all the time too sure it's just a people thing you know

01:27:40.160 sure but it's i've actually had this in this situation where i've had a girl break up with me

01:27:45.620 and she wants to have the closure closure conversation i'm like hold on it might be one

01:27:51.600 thing if you're doing the breaking up and the other person wants the closure conversation

01:27:54.760 you know like you're breaking up with them and they why but if you want to break up with somebody

01:28:00.440 and you want to have the conversation i don't think they owe you a conversation if if you like

01:28:06.600 as as a girl if you're about to break up with a guy and say you're gonna do it over the phone or

01:28:13.380 something yeah i don't think the guy needs to actually talk it through with you he can just be

01:28:18.380 like i i respect your decision i wish you the best it was nice knowing you click i think that's

01:28:23.880 totally cool i feel like there's a really fun thing we can do right now like raise your hand

01:28:28.260 if you don't like to be ghosted who likes to be ghosted right don't raise your hand if you don't

01:28:34.580 like to be ghosted now raise your hand if you've ghosted somebody like oh not somebody not somebody

01:28:41.860 i was no no but like i'm saying like if we don't love it but we do it sometimes it's easier like

01:28:47.540 i don't know i think it's about like i'm confused between ghosting and closure because to me it's

01:28:54.120 different it's different yeah okay cool i'm glad we're on the same yeah yeah anyways um relationship

01:29:00.300 status i think uh married okay married for six been together for eight all right long this is your

01:29:07.900 longest no i was uh previously previously married uh for 15 years off and on okay yeah kids for me

01:29:16.400 wait did you say off and on we were together off and on oh yeah yeah yeah okay um so two kids from

01:29:23.600 the previous and then one from now and then i have a stepdaughter

01:29:26.780 i am single i've been single for about nine years my longest relationship was 11 years it was my

01:29:37.460 marriage um we were together before marriage i want to say eight years married for three okay kids

01:29:46.780 kids i have a daughter um i also have a son that's been given away an adoption so i've birthed two

01:29:53.440 children but one is my child okay all right what about you um i'm getting married in 60 days so

01:30:02.400 congratulations guys um we met in nashville through a mutual friend um and the longest relationship i had

01:30:10.380 was my first relationship from seventh grade till senior year of high school so um and how long have

01:30:17.640 you been together with your current person um we met in august of 21 got engaged in june of 23

01:30:25.720 we didn't start dating sorry timeline august of 21 june of 22 we started actually dating

01:30:31.980 a year from the day we started dating we got engaged and then a year and some change later we'll get

01:30:39.100 married so together two three years yeah and i will say if you if anybody's getting engaged like the

01:30:46.600 wedding industry the way they wait make you wait so long to get married is just such crap um it's

01:30:54.680 so awful waiting i would have married him the moment that he proposed to me and i just feel like

01:30:59.100 do a destination wedding that's what we did it's so much better it's just it's so long to wait i feel

01:31:04.740 like it leaves so much wiggle room in the way that we have engagements in america right now it's just so

01:31:10.820 bad so not i'm living through it but i just disagree with it and what about you i am married

01:31:17.440 been married for four years together with him for nine years we met in college we did have a small

01:31:24.140 little break in there i met him when i was 18 18 fiery and just didn't have my stuff together a lot

01:31:30.680 of wounds from growing up with separated parents um after that breakup we he went overseas he was in the

01:31:38.500 military um we kind of reconnected like months six months or so after and then got back together and

01:31:45.940 have never been apart since all right congrats cool cool all right we got everyone's uh relationship

01:31:52.740 status uh i do want to get into some of the pre-show notes here although before we do

01:31:59.060 a little earlier stifler he does ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten

01:32:05.820 starting with you how i do myself or i'm waiting you got to do it into the i want to be sorry

01:32:13.220 i'm already myself or am i rating someone your own looks yeah my own looks um i will give myself a

01:32:21.240 10 out of 10 okay yeah i went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where i feel like i'm a 10 out of

01:32:29.960 10 so i'm uh gonna remove myself from this conversation because i'm not gonna let a podcast

01:32:37.160 undo years of therapy thank you wait you're wait you mean i'm a little confused i like had a lot of

01:32:45.780 issues with self-esteem and i worked through them a lot in therapy and like part of that is like seeing

01:32:51.220 myself a 10 out of 10 so i'm gonna keep that delusion for me thanks so just to be clear if you

01:32:59.640 were to engage in this conversation and on this podcast it would totally be catastrophic to years

01:33:07.920 and years of therapy i just don't want to continue the conversation because i feel like it could be

01:33:14.840 if we belabor the point like we did about what was going on before like to me i think it's a i'm a 10

01:33:20.520 10 out of 10 and that's all i need to say about that well i i want to actually explore this sure

01:33:27.460 okay in terms of well just in terms like in like a mental health standpoint or how well i just if

01:33:34.360 therapy is actually effective how would having a conversation undo years and years of therapy

01:33:45.700 because like a trigger can do stuff like that like if you have a triggering situation

01:33:52.420 um and so part of your therapy entailed viewing yourself in terms of your own physical appearance

01:34:00.940 as perfect it's 10 out of 10 along the lines of like hyping yourself up you know like you know you're

01:34:08.620 like you're a bad bitch you're great like saying those affirmations are something that helped me a

01:34:16.280 lot in my journey sure you know um well let me ask you a different question then journey um oh yeah you

01:34:22.520 love that word um have you ever seen a beautiful girl with a mid guy sure yeah is that a phenomenon

01:34:31.240 like any other girls didn't i tell you i don't want to talk about this because of my mental health

01:34:35.160 like i'm gonna draw a boundary here and move on um okay it affects your mental health we'll just move on

01:34:41.060 i would like to move on please

01:34:42.280 i mean i was asking a different question though other panelists have you seen this phenomenon of like

01:34:51.400 mid very guys with like beautiful girls yes absolutely okay

01:34:56.380 um okay i'll move on to you unfortunately i haven't gone to therapy i used to think of myself as a

01:35:07.240 three but with this job i think i'm a six with a what with this job like social media and everything

01:35:15.440 posting myself more often your job so before the job you were a three yeah with the job you're now a six

01:35:23.200 in terms of your looks so your look your looks have increased because of self-esteem is a powerful

01:35:28.560 i thought you didn't want to talk on this topic yeah i thought you didn't want to engage

01:35:31.020 yeah i feel like it has helped me like boost my confidence change what i look like to make

01:35:37.140 myself feel prettier so your face shape has transformed ever since doing porn i guess it's

01:35:43.520 you know maneuvered change my hair yeah yeah but you could have changed your hair prior to doing the

01:35:49.520 porn yes okay um so just to be clear the the question isn't about your confidence

01:35:56.720 it's just about physical looks six okay okay i'd say an eight maybe eight okay i'd say about a six okay

01:36:07.200 yeah i would say a six i think i'm like a three okay i would have usually said a seven but

01:36:15.200 you can't say seven so that's what i would have gone with yeah i'll go with eight okay eight andrew

01:36:22.880 four give myself a five give myself five are you guys writing yourself so low that just makes me so

01:36:30.400 sad yeah that makes me so so sad it's always good to better yourself are y'all going you have to think

01:36:37.360 you have to go on the scale so 10 is like the most beautiful woman you've ever seen yeah where would

01:36:43.040 you don't feel that way about yourself it's reality it's reality i don't feel that way about

01:36:47.680 yourself how's anybody else going to feel that way it's not about how i feel it's the actual look

01:36:52.480 i'll just put this out there this is the most honest woman i've ever seen on this podcast ever

01:36:57.360 the most honest yes okay most honest most honest answer i've ever heard from a woman

01:37:04.560 grid one motorsports donated two hundred dollars and one cent i agree with my fellow nashvillian long

01:37:13.040 engagements are stupid expensive wedding ceremonies that start your life together in debt are insanity

01:37:19.680 question for the panel do you support feminism yeah we'll get it we'll get into that um really quick

01:37:27.200 i just going around the table do you support feminism yes yes yes not today's feminism yeah it depends on

01:37:37.440 what feminism means to no no no fuck no no okay um

01:37:48.560 so going back to the whole 10 thing i'm gonna ask one other different question here so

01:37:54.160 do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time as compared to now so you're 23 do you think

01:38:01.520 you'll be better looking at 33 than you are now at 23 i don't think i'm going to change much i think

01:38:05.840 i'll look relatively the same okay what about uh so same in terms of attracting this 33 to 23 what

01:38:13.520 about 43 20 years time um i'll probably look more attractive 33 so 23 20 33 yeah i would say 43 i'll look

01:38:22.320 older i don't think like older is less attractive though i think um i just don't feel like that so

01:38:28.720 the question is not will you still be attractive you may you may very well still be attractive

01:38:34.240 not making that claim at all but the question is just will you be more the same or less attractive

01:38:40.480 as you're as you currently are at your current age the same i would say because i'd say that

01:38:45.600 that factor changes based on age um what someone considers like a hot 45 year old is going to be

01:38:51.520 very different than what they consider like a hot 25 year old so if i consider myself attractive at

01:38:56.640 this age i would consider myself attractive at 43 as well too okay what about so 53 yes 63 yeah i look

01:39:05.520 there's grandmas that can still get it there there's there's i don't yeah okay and then going to you uh

01:39:15.200 you're 31 do you think you'll be more attractive in 10 years time i think this conversation is

01:39:20.640 objectifying and disgusting

01:39:25.360 so do you i'll pass well how is it why is it disgusting it's a simple question i we can answer

01:39:32.160 it too we're met do you think it's objectifying women or i think it's objectifying in general

01:39:37.200 what's wrong with objectification i'm not a fan of it so do you wait see can i just pass do you

01:39:45.440 really want to break this down you could just engage you requested to be on the show i i do i

01:39:51.120 did sure but like i mean there's like there's the two things that i didn't want to do i didn't want

01:39:56.480 to like break myself on a scale of one to ten and then that's all right you promise those are

01:40:00.400 the only two things yeah and i don't want to uh my body count because that's it okay so three things

01:40:06.160 no i said rate myself on a scale of one to ten and my body count yeah but this this isn't rating

01:40:12.080 though oh well in 10 years okay i think there's the potential to do both because of plastic surgery and

01:40:18.720 lots of things okay well how about this do you think what about a uh 51 compared to 31

01:40:24.480 51 i don't you know i don't know 20 years time do you think you'll be better looking

01:40:34.720 in i don't know i don't that's not i don't see things in that way so when you when you age

01:40:44.880 are there changes to your face your skin sure but like when i look at like when i look at pictures of

01:40:51.600 myself when i was 20 like do i think i was beautiful yeah but like i see myself now and

01:40:57.600 like i think that things about me now maybe if they're not like as physically attractive i see

01:41:03.760 them as attractive because it like shows things that i've like been through what do you you mean

01:41:08.960 physically yeah and i don't know like because i do think that like confidence and energy does

01:41:15.120 come out physically you know the way you carry yourself the way you hold yourself so i think

01:41:19.840 like as an insecure 20 year old versus a secure 30 year old versus a very secure 40 year old

01:41:25.600 versus like a glowing 50 year old i think there could be differences wait a secure 30 year old yeah

01:41:32.960 well how can you be secure if just having a single conversation on a rating would undo years of

01:41:40.080 therapy but it didn't because i drew a boundary yeah so i mean it doesn't sound like security but

01:41:46.480 okay well i mean that's i draw a boundary for a triggering subject that's actually what adults

01:41:53.760 do if it's something you don't want to talk about you don't have to talk about it we have many things

01:41:57.840 that we're not supposed to talk about on this podcast yeah but it's not because we wouldn't

01:42:02.720 want to talk about them it's because we're at the confines and the mercy of the platform that we're on

01:42:07.200 not because i wouldn't want to actually get into those why do you think those topics are not allowed on

01:42:11.920 this platform because a bunch of communists own the platform well that's why honestly that sounds

01:42:20.400 like a generalization it is well yeah it is a generalization specific generalization

01:42:29.200 well i think we know who's gonna rage quick

01:42:32.000 andrew no i probably will leave early though because i gotta go to work tomorrow oh

01:42:41.200 not right now but keep going

01:42:44.960 so much for the bad bitch did i say i was a bad you did earlier in your kind of

01:42:50.160 conversation you rewind it you said that's why my therapist told me to be a bad

01:42:53.680 bitch oh cool you know what i mean oh bad well so question on this question on this uh kind of

01:43:02.000 rewinding a bit here you're 31 do you think you're better looking at 21 than you are now at 31 physically

01:43:08.480 sure yeah oh physically sure yeah well so but why can't you answer the definitive like moving forward in

01:43:17.680 time because i don't know what's gonna happen well i mean just looking at i guess trajectory

01:43:27.200 i don't know what's gonna happen i sure of course but that's that happened do you have stocks

01:43:36.560 i'm sure i do somewhere well it's possible there could there could be total societal collapse and your

01:43:41.440 stocks could end up worthless but if you had to be a betting woman in 10 years time knowing what you

01:43:46.800 know about the stock market for example over over periods of time it just goes up up up up up even

01:43:52.640 if we're currently like going through a bit of a crash but over time it's just continually going up

01:43:57.440 up up up up even if there's periods of decline in the stock market right so best guess

01:44:05.840 i couldn't tell you okay all right do you not have a mother to look at and say this is my mother is

01:44:17.280 like really beautiful well yeah so that's how you can possibly gauge how you look in the future right

01:44:23.360 yeah by looking at your mother but i could like gain 50 pounds lose 50 pounds i could get a whole lot of

01:44:28.560 botox no botox i could yeah yeah possibly sure doing so you can make a generalization of saying

01:44:36.560 yes or no right oh sure just curious okay i could yeah i i look at it yeah i look at my mother and go

01:44:45.680 that's how she aged okay age the same okay all right uh you are 26 better looking in 10 years time at 36

01:44:54.560 i think so 46 hopefully 56 yeah better looking yeah 66 anything could happen any anything could

01:45:04.160 happen yeah okay 76 better looking at 76 as compared to now at 26 hell yeah if you were to remain in your

01:45:12.960 current industry do you think you uh in terms of the money you can make you think the money goes up

01:45:19.680 when you get older you think there's more demand for 76 year old porn stars as compared to

01:45:25.200 yeah 26 year old porn stars okay um you are 37 better looking at 47 in 10 years time or better looking

01:45:35.040 now uh that's a hard one because i'm at eight age um i would say maybe about the same hopefully better

01:45:44.640 looking but the older i get i would say it's perfect go down and uh you're 37 do you think

01:45:51.600 you're better looking at 27 than you are now at 37 no better looking at 27 37 oh better looking at 37

01:45:58.800 than at 27 okay yeah all right and then uh better looking at 57 as compared to 37 i think i'm gonna

01:46:06.560 start to go down a little bit 22 uh better looking at 32 than now um hopefully if i start working out

01:46:15.520 okay what if you don't what if you don't start working out and you stay the same weight um

01:46:22.160 i think i'd probably be better looking now okay and then what uh oh okay so better at 22 than 32 okay

01:46:28.960 uh and then for you uh 40 better looking at 50 than you are now at 40 no way okay and then were you

01:46:35.520 better looking at 30 than you are now at 40 yeah my 30s were definitely my prime okay and would

01:46:40.640 you were you better looking at 20 than you were at 30 nope 20s were definitely like party don't

01:46:46.800 care about yourself sure 30s were like 30s were the okay i was in my prime of weightlifting and all

01:46:52.480 that so uh 40 do you think you'll be better looking at 50 than you are now at 40 no into the

01:46:57.920 mic if you can um were you better looking at 30 as compared to now at 40 no actually i think i

01:47:03.200 look better now at 40 than i did at 30. okay and then better looking at 20 uh better looking

01:47:09.520 now than than at 20. i think i yes actually better looking now than at 20. okay and really quick going

01:47:15.520 back to you um better looking at 20 than now no no okay got it and then chrissy uh you're 27 better

01:47:26.640 looking now or will you be better looking at 37 i'll look better now okay and then better looking now or

01:47:32.400 will you be better looking at 37 10 years now okay uh

01:47:38.720 okay there you have it folks there are the answers thank you matthew for the gifted five memberships

01:47:43.680 um the 10 rating is an interesting one to me um you don't want to get into it though but you rated

01:47:51.040 yourself a 10. um you also said though you would be better looking in 10 years time so how can you be

01:47:57.040 a 10 now but also be better looking or excuse me actually just to be fair i think you said

01:48:03.840 you'll be the same yeah so i guess i can't make that argument yeah but she also said she'd be the

01:48:09.120 same at 50. mm-hmm yeah i think i really like old people i think a lot of old people are really

01:48:16.400 beautiful you can see that they have a lot of life experience i think a lot of people don't even

01:48:22.400 make it to 50 and i think if you're lucky enough um you should really cherish the life you have and

01:48:27.840 yeah i just i don't know i very cherish who people are as people more than i guess what they physically

01:48:34.800 look a soul is more important to me my partner is considerably more attractive to me now that i know

01:48:41.680 him more than when i first met him considerably more considerably more um so yeah i think the

01:48:49.520 more i get to grow and learn as a person the better i'll be in a lot of different areas

01:48:58.000 and that's just me personally i understand that you know not everyone's going to rate me a 10 out

01:49:02.240 of 10 and i'm okay with that yeah really quick going back to you do you think all women are tens

01:49:11.680 i think it's whatever they rate themselves do you think all men are tens one sec seriously

01:49:20.880 shelby donated two hundred dollars can we get the orca out of the room let's be honest she doesn't

01:49:27.520 want the truth and wants to be in the lulu land she needs to see reality first time donation long time

01:49:35.200 watcher all right seriously shelby thank you for the tts appreciate it um are all men tens it's

01:49:44.240 whatever they think of themselves like i think your self-esteem is really important but why when earlier

01:49:50.320 i asked if you've ever seen a mid guy with a beautiful woman you were able to make some sort

01:49:55.280 of determination as to people's physical appearance that you're making a judgment on their physical

01:50:00.400 appearance otherwise how would you be able to categorize the woman as beautiful and the man

01:50:05.280 is mid or average in the looks department and so i'm a little confused with that okay what do you

01:50:13.200 want to break down well you do have some basis for being able to make determinations when it comes to

01:50:18.400 physical appearance okay because you were able to categorize the man as mid sure and the woman is

01:50:23.440 beautiful okay and so i guess where i'm confused is um how and why what are you confused about

01:50:32.960 well you you have these objections to the rating thing you think it's objectification you think it's

01:50:38.240 disgusting but you didn't seem to have any hesitation at all when it came to categorizing a

01:50:43.120 man as a mid so was your own categorization that you made of a man being mid because everybody has a

01:50:50.880 preference but you i mean is it objectification and disgusting on your end no because i'm not going

01:50:57.840 to sit here and go around a table and say who's a mid and who's not and ask everybody to rate

01:51:02.400 themselves sure it could be somebody who's not even in the room just something that's come into your

01:51:07.520 mind through your even imagination you could have made them up in your mind might have not even been

01:51:12.080 a real person you've seen sure but is it disgusting and objectifying for you to be able to make a

01:51:17.440 determination if a man's a mid in terms of his looks i mean i think there's inherent like maybe

01:51:24.800 judgment off the bat but i think to put it online and to like put it on a panel is objectifying and

01:51:34.240 disgusting the even if you're talking about the circumstance of white people do that what do you

01:51:42.000 mean well so in this particular case i think i i'm trying to well i think i got it figured out

01:51:48.560 what your perception is tell me if i'm wrong that you're saying so yes i have some factor from my own

01:51:56.800 perception of what i consider to be good looking or not good looking right and i can make those value

01:52:01.920 judgments okay however it doesn't mean if i'm in a room with a bunch of people and you ask me to make

01:52:06.960 that value judgment even though i may be able to that i actually will right is that is that correct

01:52:11.840 yes okay but what if the purpose of the conversation is to make the evaluation as to why people are doing

01:52:20.240 that in the first place why is it that people have these value judgments what is it that is shared about

01:52:27.120 those value judgments so that people can either improve upon those themselves or ulysses the pagan

01:52:33.600 donated 200 he's saying your hypocrisy is a huge as your tonnage so anyway so the the point is if the

01:52:43.680 conversation is itself in regards to uh why it is that people view that right why do they think these

01:52:51.680 things why is it that your subjective preference actually may line up with other people's subjective

01:52:57.200 preference far better um than we kind of pretend that it does right well so you could say that

01:53:05.200 everybody's preference for what they're attracted to is subjective i'd agree with that to a degree

01:53:10.800 sure but i think that there might be overlapping characteristics that most people are attracted

01:53:15.680 to which would kind of take it away from just a subjective characteristic into a more well maybe

01:53:21.280 there's reasons for this right like maybe people prefer this body type because it gives a signal for

01:53:27.280 childbearing or maybe maybe people prefer this because it gives a signal for that you know what i mean

01:53:32.800 so the purpose of the conversation even in the rating system the rating system is not in and of itself

01:53:38.400 to tell you um you know nope it's not true you're ugly the point of the rating system is to make a

01:53:46.000 determination of whether or not you and your scale for what is or is not attractive matches up with

01:53:55.280 what you see yourself as so that's all it is okay i mean it can still be something i don't want to

01:54:01.920 participate in sure it can i'm not saying it can i'm just saying that the point of that conversation

01:54:07.680 itself is to get at the root you know of this idea of why why is it that people make these kind of

01:54:15.280 judgment evaluations on each other based on their looks then maybe that goes a little bit deeper

01:54:19.840 than just because we're mean right maybe it's because uh there's some type of shared characteristics

01:54:27.040 that we all enjoy when it comes to the opposite sex like for instance that would be the idea of tall

01:54:33.920 right i like when most women report that they want to date men who are taller than them

01:54:39.520 well i mean i guess that's subjective right because it could be i only want one two inches or six inches

01:54:44.640 or i want one ten inches but what's shared about it is they all want one taller so then we get into

01:54:51.600 yeah but why is that what is the thing that is drawing them to taller men what would be the idea

01:54:58.000 behind that and the more you you talk to women who have that shared subjective characteristic that

01:55:03.040 they're after you can get towards the heart of these answers and so i think you do is i think you're

01:55:08.560 actually shutting yourself down for no good reason because the conversation itself is not meant to be

01:55:13.920 offensive it's meant to dive into this idea okay and so often i see people shut down and i think

01:55:21.200 that they often do it because they have a negative self-image and they're saying i don't want to make

01:55:27.040 the claim that i have a negative self-image and it's like yeah i guess but that's not really what the

01:55:32.160 point of the question is to begin with you know what i mean well we'll uh we're gonna move it on

01:55:39.920 but we'll get we're gonna get into your notes morgan so uh you do describe yourself as a feminist you

01:55:45.280 said in your notes and i um your notes here are these things you wanted to bring up i mean they're

01:55:51.360 just notes i took or just it's stuff that i've no yeah notes for myself um because you you provided

01:55:57.200 some but if there are any others that you that we don't have that you wanted to bring up we'd be happy

01:56:01.040 to go into it you said please put me on the podcast i'm watching the live stream right now and i want

01:56:05.920 to pull my hair out was that the charlie kirk episode yeah okay you said you're a flight flight leave

01:56:12.080 chuck alone yeah he didn't you said that you're a you said you're a flight attendant big big old

01:56:19.520 feminist yeah and you said i promise i'll come in guns blazing yeah well you can't rage quit if

01:56:26.800 you're gonna come in guns blazing guns blazing you gotta stay till the very do i have to pretty much

01:56:32.400 anyways you said you said women shouldn't be drafted because the equal rights amendment still hasn't been

01:56:38.160 passed exactly and women aren't constant constitutionally excuse me equal to men yes

01:56:43.840 um this is the stuff i wanted to talk sure so why don't we dive into that so you your position is

01:56:50.160 women shouldn't be drafted you're a feminist though i assume you believe in equality yes so how do you

01:56:54.720 reconcile being a feminist and believing in inequality but uh being in favor of inequality when it comes to

01:57:01.200 selective service because um the equal rights amendment has not yet passed so women are still

01:57:08.560 not constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me daddy i'm ready to go so when you

01:57:16.000 say women aren't constitutionally equal to men and the you mentioned the equal rights amendment what do you

01:57:24.080 mean the the equal rights amendment well assume there's a panel here who has no idea what that is

01:57:31.280 assume there's viewers here who have no idea what that the equal rights amendment is actually

01:57:35.200 let's have her answer

01:57:39.680 wow i didn't think you wouldn't know what the equal rights amendment is

01:57:43.440 did i say it's just that no it's just that you um it's it would be an amendment to the cost

01:57:48.240 constitution that you can't discriminate on the basis of sex you mean the 19th amendment yeah

01:57:54.960 no no no it would be the era the equal rights amendment you can't discriminate on what is the 19th

01:58:00.160 amendment i don't know what the 19th amendment is do you want to tell me can you pull up the 19th

01:58:04.160 amendment so we can read it

01:58:08.560 and but so this amendment

01:58:13.360 it's not clear to me how because you said so currently women aren't constitutionally equal to

01:58:19.600 men so i suppose where in the constitution would it

01:58:22.560 indicate or show that they're not equal to men you have the 19th amendment okay pull it up

01:58:31.120 right the citizens of the united states to vote should not be denied or abridged by the united

01:58:34.320 states or by any state on account of sex congress shall have the power to enforce this article by

01:58:39.040 appropriate legislation meaning you're equal to men when it comes to voting and if you're equal to

01:58:44.880 men when it comes to voting then that means that you can elect whatever politician you want to enforce

01:58:49.200 your will just like we can totally equal so so then why didn't the equal rights amendment pass

01:58:56.240 because it's not about equal rights it's about redefining the word woman it redefines the word

01:59:00.960 woman from biological woman with xx chromosomes to anybody who wants to identify as a woman it is a

01:59:06.800 change in the very definition of what we just have all agreed as a woman so so this this said there

01:59:13.680 there can be no discrimination based upon sex there's only two even if you think a person can

01:59:19.680 whatever they identify as they are that thing even uh the advocates for uh transgenderism would not say

01:59:28.480 that they're the sex of they would not say that they're the sex of so a transgender female is not

01:59:35.040 going to say that they have female genitalia so the descriptor here for sex would would work across

01:59:40.960 the board for everybody transgender female wouldn't say that she has female genitalia they would not

01:59:45.760 say that they are females biologically she they would not say that they're biologically that's correct

01:59:51.680 they would say there's only two sexes there's only two there could only ever be two one sex produces ova

01:59:59.120 with big large gametes the other one produces uh sperm which is small gametes okay yeah so there's only

02:00:05.360 two because there's only two there's only two reproductive pathways even the major transgender

02:00:12.080 advocates do not say that there's more than two sexes they say that there's hundreds of genders okay

02:00:17.680 but there's still only two sexes so that amendment the 19th amendment says based on sex which would cover

02:00:23.200 every human being every human being who currently exists in the united states and not a one that that

02:00:28.240 would not cover cannot be discriminated against based on sex when it comes to voting

02:00:32.960 did you read the equal rights amendment yeah okay so then how is this confusing

02:00:38.960 what do you mean like if you read the bill then you would realize that like the point of the era is

02:00:44.240 not to amend the 19th amendment but to pass legislation to change the definition of woman so if you read

02:00:49.920 it like yeah before that okay but why is women getting drafted contingent on whether you change

02:00:58.000 the definition i just like you know i don't understand why that's a like why would that be

02:01:02.480 a difficult thing to pass like if the era is not well that that's two separate issues is it yeah but

02:01:08.480 wasn't that a big topic that like phyllis schlafly was all about like if the era passes women are going

02:01:12.960 to be drafted yeah it would it would open the door to them being drafted i suppose so you're already but

02:01:18.640 you're the thing is is the epitome of the straw man now right to create the arguments against people

02:01:24.960 who never made them so i so most certainly never made such an argument brian most certainly never

02:01:30.720 made such an argument the argument that we're making is very specific okay the argument is that

02:01:37.440 if men can be drafted sure right and they can be and they're forced to sign up for selective

02:01:44.160 service and they are or else there's huge penalties against them yeah if you truly believed in

02:01:49.040 egalitarianism why is it that you would not demand the same thing from women because i i don't think

02:01:54.400 it's enough i think that there needs to be more i think that if it truly was equal then the era

02:02:00.320 should have passed no problem and i think that um what would that have to do with women signing up

02:02:06.320 though for the sex the biological sex of female who's allowed to vote why is it that the biological

02:02:12.640 sex of female we're getting into a different topic i don't i don't think we are jive donated 200

02:02:18.720 no i just i there's a trans 2020 scotus opinion bostock v clayton already prohibits discrimination

02:02:28.000 on the basis of orientation and gender identity quit playing wannabe a lawyer but we don't even have to

02:02:34.560 we don't even have to get that far so pull up the 19th again the citizen the right of citizens

02:02:40.080 the united states to vote should not be denied or abridged by the united states by any state on

02:02:44.320 account of sex if that is true then no human being inside the united states is going to not be able

02:02:51.360 to vote period based on a sexual characteristic period okay so in your like so the equal rights

02:02:59.280 okay hold on so we can get into the equal rights amendment component of this but you said that women

02:03:05.840 shouldn't be drafted because the equal rights amendment still hasn't been passed and women

02:03:10.720 aren't constitutionally equal to men that's the the second claim there is the claim that i want to

02:03:15.840 investigate you said women aren't constitutionally equal to men what can you articulate how well i like

02:03:24.320 i found in my notes the eras equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the us

02:03:31.040 or by any state on the basis of sex i'm actually willing to go with this so yeah i'm actually

02:03:36.240 willing to engage with this so you agree that this has to do with redefining what a woman is right yeah

02:03:42.720 gotcha do you think currently that transgender men have to sign up for selective service so are they

02:03:53.360 assigned male or female at birth they're assigned female at birth and they uh transition to male yeah even

02:04:00.000 before they reach 18 uh before they reached 18 if they're um fully transitioned then yeah i would

02:04:09.040 i would think so they don't okay they do not have to sign up for the selective service and they're

02:04:14.640 to change okay so what you have just demonstrated is that even if we're talking about the trans agenda

02:04:21.040 that trans men are also still not equal with trans women they're still not equal with trans women

02:04:27.680 because they're men trans men wait wait hang on if that's true right then how come they don't have

02:04:33.120 to sign up for selective service they should have to because they're men okay they should have to

02:04:36.800 because they're men so then shouldn't trans women

02:04:42.160 trans women should what shouldn't trans women right shouldn't they be exempt under this trans women

02:04:50.000 shouldn't have to sign up yeah yes even though they're biologically males no trans women are women

02:04:55.840 a biologically male trans women are women yeah but biologically trans women are women yeah but

02:05:00.880 you're not saying anything i don't you're not saying anything no i am i'm saying something

02:05:04.960 biologically whatever they're women okay got it so what you're saying here is that you think that trans

02:05:13.280 men who are born female should have to hang on should have to sign up for the draft but that the ones who

02:05:20.080 are assigned man at birth assigned male at birth they should be exempt from the draft if they are

02:05:27.520 transitioned to women identify as women yes why do they have to transition why couldn't they just

02:05:33.920 identify then they're women they're trend whatever point they are if they're a woman then they're a

02:05:38.800 woman then it's equal great then it's equal between between all of it right because in this case

02:05:45.600 then biological men if they say they're women they don't have to get drafted sure throw that

02:05:50.800 equal rights amendment up there and we're all equal and draft us all so i just want to make sure i get

02:05:56.560 this right right now you agree that nobody can be drafted no i mean nobody can be barred from voting on

02:06:04.720 the basis of sex right do you think there's a third sex no there's i think that there are women and men

02:06:14.640 yeah do you think there's a third sex how many sexes do you think there are i don't think that

02:06:20.880 matters i think it matters how many sexes do you think i think that this is like um do you know any

02:06:26.400 transgender people yeah how many sexes do you think there are yeah yeah do you think that i can name

02:06:31.120 to their whether it's what okay let's assume for a second that i don't think that transgender people

02:06:39.360 are don't understand that you can have a conversation about biological sex without

02:06:43.760 going and unaliving themselves i don't think no it's not about that they're going to do that

02:06:47.360 that you set like a precedent of where well you set a precedent of like you know violence where

02:06:54.080 my friends don't feel safe going to like their places of work or yeah but what would that have to

02:07:00.160 do with with whether they're equal or not well when you're saying like when you have these arguments

02:07:05.120 that like don't like trans women are women trans men are men fine when you break that down even if i say

02:07:11.520 that yeah nobody's going to dispute that there's only two sexes if there's only two sexes the 19th

02:07:17.600 amendment says that nobody can be denied the right to vote via sex sure so all those trans people can

02:07:23.760 vote right okay so so then what what's the inequality issue here that's what i said so draft them all

02:07:30.000 so so then you think everybody should get drafted throw the equal rights amendment up there

02:07:34.800 no because if everybody's equal then there should be no problem if we i you know what if there's

02:07:41.120 no problem and if we don't like we should have it then why why is it such a big deal i think this word

02:07:46.960 will sum this up perfect perfectly redundancy so women already have at least it's my position

02:07:56.240 are constitutionally equal to men so even if i don't think so okay what are you asking for what

02:08:03.840 do we not get that you think we should bodily autonomy okay we'll get into that we'll get

02:08:08.080 we'll get into that but okay so it's my view though that you're saying well we don't have this bill that

02:08:14.800 is named and called and titled the equal rights amendment ergo we don't have equal rights because a bill that is

02:08:22.640 titled the equal rights amendment was not passed but this bill and i'm not super familiar with it i'm

02:08:29.440 not entirely sure if it is a redundancy but the current state of affairs the 19th amendment

02:08:34.960 constitutionally women are equal but you made the claim women aren't constitutionally equal so the

02:08:41.920 burden is on you to articulate how women aren't constitutionally equal to men and you cannot point

02:08:48.480 to a bill just by virtue of the title of the bill it not passing being evidence that women aren't

02:08:54.640 constitutionally equal to men how is something called the equal rights amendment not passing you

02:08:59.920 can okay the title of the bill hold on the title of the bill is irrelevant do you think that do you

02:09:06.240 think that north korea is really a republic because it's called the republic of north korea okay

02:09:12.080 it's a communist dictatorship but it is called the republic of north korea okay so that must be a

02:09:20.080 republic then the inflation reduction act only boosted inflation okay i just okay so the contents of a bill

02:09:28.560 might oftentimes have nothing to do with the actual title okay so you did make the claim and women that's

02:09:36.560 separate from the equal rights amendment aren't constitutionally equal to men so you're gonna have to

02:09:41.680 articulate how women aren't constitutionally equal to men i think that if they were then the equal

02:09:51.680 rights amendment should have passed no problem that's all i have to say about the equal rights

02:09:55.680 amendment but that's it that's all i have to say i can't articulate more than that that's my point

02:10:00.880 and then i also think that um women would be able to have more bodily autonomy okay so we can we can get

02:10:08.480 into that would you vote so that men couldn't vote on women's bodily autonomy men couldn't vote

02:10:14.640 like i i'm i don't understand in the context it would be yes you would vote so that men couldn't

02:10:20.240 vote in what context yes i would vote that way okay right so that's the same reason that we vote that

02:10:27.600 you don't have abortions but okay there you go just like that if you would vote that we couldn't tell

02:10:34.480 you that you couldn't well that's in a democracy that we can vote in a democracy to tell you you

02:10:39.280 can't see sure well then i do think that's wrong and i okay so then voting's wrong no i think that

02:10:45.680 i should backtrack my statement because i think that um i think that everybody should have bodily autonomy

02:10:54.080 so if you i guess if you want to vote for my right to not have control over my body i do think that's

02:11:00.000 unfair well okay hold on you know and i probably shouldn't vote for you to not going to allow you

02:11:06.240 to weasel out of this so you can try to bring up abortion but that's a different conversation yeah

02:11:12.160 so you stated and women aren't constitutionally equal to men i don't think they are how you you

02:11:20.400 don't think so but that's what i'm asking i want to be that's what i'm trying i want to be

02:11:24.640 convinced hold on just let her answer it's okay i remain unconvinced so you don't think we are in

02:11:31.040 what ways do you think you are not constitutionally equal i mean i i told you that i didn't think we

02:11:39.600 were because the era didn't pass oh can you give us an example that's the example i gave okay if you

02:11:46.320 don't like that one then that's fine you don't like it then move on like a real-time example

02:11:50.320 uh i gave you abortion wait wait wait hold on may i ask because she's she explained what the bill was

02:11:57.520 but you never gave your explanation to what this means so i keep wanting to know what what do you

02:12:01.840 mean this bill like what is it to you like what what was denied the right for trans men to be trans

02:12:08.800 women and all of us to be the same thing because that's how i that's how she explained it is that it's

02:12:13.600 to universal like all of us to make trans women women that's what this bill is no i mean like

02:12:20.160 the definition of feminism is like to me well not even to me it's literally the belief that women

02:12:26.240 and men should be allowed to have the same rights which we do and i feel like the equal rights amendment

02:12:32.240 says that so but isn't the 19th just for voting but what i'm asking like what so why can't we have

02:12:37.760 that for everything if the 19th is just for voting so actually hang on this is a great question and i

02:12:43.440 would like to answer your question if you can name a single right a single right that you think that

02:12:50.400 this is not applicable to meaning men have it and women don't in all ears you say that women can't

02:12:56.880 do abortions neither can men okay i'm trying to think do you mind if i have some time to think about

02:13:03.360 sure okay so wouldn't men be not as equal by not having a say in abortion as a woman does

02:13:14.720 the man was there to make i mean it's both i think that's a right i'm just while she's thinking

02:13:20.640 while she's thinking pull up the uh scroll up in the sources the viewer count all right guys there's

02:13:30.560 10 000 people watching on youtube wow big and almost 2 000 over there on twitch if you're watching

02:13:37.120 on youtube oh jivanic donated 200 ask her how she feels about violence against women acts federal

02:13:46.800 laws in the u.s that increase penalties for violence against women but not men your thoughts

02:13:52.800 are you gonna be mad if i make a generalization nope men are more violent than women it's not a

02:14:02.480 generalization that's a data point that's actually one which one which i dispute by the way like the

02:14:09.600 ipv rates yeah the the one directional ipv rates yeah well actually really quick on that i know it's kind

02:14:16.160 of getting a little bit off topic um so when it comes to romantic relationships what about this data

02:14:22.640 the point so if we're looking at uh homosexual relationships for example so you have heterosexual

02:14:29.520 relationships gay men and lesbian women they've actually found that ooh okay hold on

02:14:38.240 okay we're fine we're fine um sorry guys there's a little slip going um so

02:14:45.520 gay men have the lowest incidence rate of domestic violence and then next up in terms of couplings you

02:14:54.960 have heterosexual relationships and then the highest rate the highest incidence rate of domestic violence

02:15:00.800 is actually in lesbian relationships so what are your takes on that like how how do you reconcile

02:15:08.720 that if men are more violent if men are more violent relationships that's not but removing men from

02:15:14.000 the picture entirely when there's two women in a relationship together and two men in a relationship

02:15:19.200 together the rates among gay men having domestic violence in those relationships is the lowest compared

02:15:25.920 to both heterosexual relationships and lesbian relationships and it's the highest in lesbian

02:15:30.240 relationships even compared to heterosexual and almost uh gay male relationships i would almost argue that

02:15:36.400 like it's unreported among gay male males wouldn't it also be an incorrect data point like yeah lesbian

02:15:46.000 women i just think it's no because i think that like women would be more likely to report something like

02:15:51.760 that and i think that inside of your list of fallacies yeah did you write down the argument from

02:15:58.320 incredulity no you did not write down there no purdue didn't have that one yeah it's not um it's not

02:16:05.520 really an argument to say well i can't demonstrate this but i just think that x is probably sure okay

02:16:13.760 that that's fair but i also don't think that um equating what's happening in a relationship is the same

02:16:21.840 as like what like men being like more violent overall but the this was in context of the like this domestic

02:16:31.360 violence is is that what like the law is about the violence against women violence against women

02:16:37.520 so that's a domestic that's a law i believe it's about but don't you guys like stand on the point

02:16:42.480 that men are stronger than women yeah so like it has nothing wouldn't that be a thing like isn't that

02:16:48.320 don't you want to protect like women it doesn't make you more violent just because you're strong

02:16:52.000 i would think that for instance there's going to be women who are stronger than other women right

02:16:55.840 sure then infer that that would mean that women who are stronger than other women would just be

02:17:00.480 more violent because they're stronger no but i think that there's a i think that testosterone makes

02:17:05.920 men more violent okay but there's going to be higher rates of testosterone in stronger women

02:17:10.480 than less strong women okay so i mean so then yeah if they would have more testosterone they would be

02:17:16.320 more violent yeah you think that that testosterone is only going so so your inference is that testosterone

02:17:21.840 equals violence i think that it can yeah i think that there's uh okay so can estrogen

02:17:28.000 estrogen estrogen's a bitch yeah she's not great really quick uh so okay guys really quick before

02:17:34.960 we get back into it you have you had some time to think about the it was the what rights no so what

02:17:40.720 rights do women have that men don't i'll give you a bit more time to think about it nick can you pull

02:17:44.800 up uh the view count really quick guys there's ten thousand of you about ten thousand of you watching

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02:18:28.240 do have super chat here from matthew sorry matthew schreck oh can you hide that

02:18:36.720 all right matthew schreck plain and simple are we equal or not should all people men women trans

02:18:41.520 etc be held up to same standards and responsibilities uh thank you matthew schreck are we equal or are we not

02:18:48.800 not i will concede on the fact that i can't give you more evidence but i don't believe that

02:18:56.800 we are equal right now so i apologize that i did not come more prepared well you can you don't need

02:19:02.720 to articulate every single way in which you believe women are unequal i would like to hear maybe one or

02:19:08.720 two though i don't know if that's too much of an ask i don't think that we are just in like societal

02:19:14.720 ways uh but hold on i'm i don't know if this is considered a thing it's like a shifting the

02:19:20.720 goalposts okay mom daily so well what do you want because your original claim was not societally it was

02:19:27.440 rights okay yeah and you said women aren't constitutionally equal to men yeah and i think

02:19:34.160 that's even different i think that's a higher so threshold let me just finish let me just finish

02:19:39.440 i think aren't constitutionally equal to men is actually uh going to be a higher threshold for

02:19:44.640 you to prove than just rights but so i'm i'm even willing to go down to just speaking about rights

02:19:51.440 so what rights do men have that well maybe we could talk about like constitutionally then because like

02:19:56.400 i told you i don't i don't have the rights i'm not more prepared and i'm very sorry about that

02:20:02.000 actually i shouldn't be sorry i'm just not more prepared but it's your claim okay so i mean that's

02:20:08.320 what i'm saying is like i don't have that information that's a really massive claim to

02:20:12.880 make okay men have more rights i did not say that i said they're not men are not constitute or women

02:20:19.440 are not constitutionally equal to men i believe that because the era is passed you disagree with that

02:20:23.840 point but i've already i've i've tried to articulate that well i think that's i think that's fair what

02:20:29.520 about the era what about the era will make women equal to men it passing yeah but what what

02:20:35.200 what if she just what can i ask you a question wait wait can i ask you a question if there was

02:20:41.280 nothing if there was nothing in the bill and the title of the bill was purely equal rights amendment

02:20:47.680 and there's just nothing and women are equal to men in the constitution and that's all it's in

02:20:52.320 uh yeah great pass it that's what i'm saying but you're still not saying what you feel like

02:20:57.920 why it didn't pass like why is it was political and the name does not mean that that is what is

02:21:06.880 inside of it that's what this person was trying to bring up in the super chat about the violence

02:21:10.800 against women act actually not protecting women it's just a name if you're involved in politics if

02:21:15.760 you follow this for a long time you know that they pass these bills and they put these bills up solely

02:21:19.920 that so democrats can look at you if you're a republican and say republicans don't believe in equal

02:21:24.880 rights for women and then people believe it okay so don't believe it if the issue is societal too

02:21:32.560 what is like just passing a bill gonna do if it's like a societal norm issue i think it just i think

02:21:39.840 it starts at those like at those base levels yeah but how does that change your day-to-day life

02:21:46.080 i actually have a question on this if the era was passed what tangible changes would occur i think

02:21:56.400 isn't it true that like if the era passed roe versus wade would have been protected more so does

02:22:02.160 that have to do with rights between men and women isn't that right to bodily attack yeah men have no

02:22:07.280 reproductive rights so it's not it's you can't make this comparison men don't have a right to an

02:22:12.880 abortion or they don't have a right to prevent women from getting an abortion i don't know my

02:22:16.880 dad had to sign off on my mom getting her tubes tied this is a feminist trope i hear about i don't

02:22:22.880 know it's not a trope it actually happens i don't know if there's actually any validity to doctors

02:22:27.280 requiring a spouse to consent to these things perhaps in years past i don't i have no idea if

02:22:33.920 this is still it's crazy too it is more considerably harder to get your tubes tied than for a man to get

02:22:38.480 a vasectomy though hold on my dad had to sign a paper hold on hold on wait that that has nothing

02:22:44.480 to do with the consent of the spouse getting your tubes tied is a far more invasive procedure than

02:22:49.360 a vasectomy to start there they do they do often ask about spouse they do often ask children and they

02:22:56.480 do play that i've heard stories from men all over the country that when they went in to get a vasectomy

02:23:01.840 that the doctor demanded that they come in and do counseling first with their wife

02:23:06.880 before they they made the decision to have the vasectomy i don't think that's correct we're

02:23:10.880 right so this is this is the thing i don't think that it's correct to say that your dad had to sign

02:23:17.440 off on the tube tying either i'm saying that it happened but it shouldn't have it it should not

02:23:25.280 i'm not sure that it did happen if we're just using incredulity you're just gonna call me a liar

02:23:30.960 then i can just go around the table and call you all liars all night okay so but that's that's why we

02:23:35.360 don't use an argument from incredulity if you'd say to me i don't think what about an argument

02:23:39.040 from experience i don't think that happens if you say to me i don't think that happens what if it

02:23:43.360 actually happened to me if it actually happens to you that's different but it didn't actually happen

02:23:49.200 to you having someone else but for you to say i just simply don't think that that's true if that

02:23:54.880 you can assert that then i just asserted about everything you say yeah but i just don't think that

02:23:59.120 that's true yeah but i just don't think that that's true all right that's why you don't make

02:24:04.400 assertions or claims unless you can either logically demonstrate them empirically demonstrate them or

02:24:09.440 in some way demonstrate them so the evidence do you would you like me to like get the paperwork

02:24:15.920 or something that would be evidence okay i have to move it off of the tube tying thing but back to this

02:24:21.360 so back to this so if the era was passed what would be the sort of tangible results when it came to

02:24:29.760 the equality that women could expect to receive that they don't currently have that you can't articulate

02:24:35.760 um i think that i said that um roe versus wade would have been more protected um that's not true

02:24:43.920 well then i i like i said i i told you i don't know i uh chrissy do you know if if in the era there

02:24:51.920 has there's anything in there that has anything to do with abortion rights i think that she's

02:24:56.640 referencing like making abortion legal at a federal level but yes okay but roe versus weight that's not

02:25:04.000 what roe versus weight is that's what it is then yes abortion would be legal at a federal level thank

02:25:08.160 you're welcome so aside from abortion which it's not clear to me if that has really anything to do

02:25:15.680 with a comparative analysis of rights between men and women can you give me anything else that

02:25:22.960 would tangibly change if the era was passed for women no okay so then

02:25:31.760 is that a checkmate that's it yeah yeah there's nowhere to go with all right naked dark star thank

02:25:39.680 you for the gifted 10 jobs um yeah i'm still a little confused i guess but

02:25:51.120 this is called an aff you know what it's my own coined fallacy it's called an argument from feelings

02:25:57.520 you know what i can actually think of one isn't it a bleeding heart liberal

02:26:01.760 well i mean look i've debated with a lot of liberals and a lot of progressives there's a

02:26:07.360 lot of smart liberals there's a lot of smart progressives don't make arguments from their

02:26:10.800 feelings okay and they're brutal to have drag out debates with they're super smart they're really

02:26:17.600 well informed that is not what this was okay i can actually think of one right that men have that

02:26:24.640 women don't although this is uh geographically specific because in some jurisdictions it actually is

02:26:30.720 allowed but uh men can go out into public shirtless and in some areas women can't

02:26:38.560 aside from that and again it's just jurisdiction specific in some municipalities and cities women

02:26:46.080 can go shirtless can't really think of really any right that men have that women don't okay but no that

02:26:56.080 would even be a wrong example because that wouldn't be a right that would just go to the federal

02:27:01.200 government not saying whether or not people can walk around nude or not leaving it up in the 10th

02:27:05.600 amendment to the states and so the states allow their municipalities to govern themselves some

02:27:09.760 municipalities say that women can do this some don't still wouldn't have anything to do with the

02:27:13.360 right well in some municipalities women wouldn't have the right that's not a right though that's just a

02:27:21.040 that's ordinance right so at this case in this case this it's left up to the states but there's

02:27:26.400 no rights which are being actually violated but i mean if it's pushed back to municipalities in the

02:27:32.160 states and overwhelmingly most municipalities and jurisdictions preclude women from going topless

02:27:38.240 wouldn't it i mean effectively in practice no it would be like a stop sign law it would be like uh

02:27:44.800 it would just be a law like this it would be uh you got to wear shoes uh or no shirt no service or

02:27:51.280 something like that it would be an ordinance that would not be a right well in any case there's no

02:27:55.600 in other words there's no right to find that men can walk around their shirt off there's no right to find

02:28:00.320 that women cannot walk around their shirt off there's local ordinances which prevent this

02:28:05.440 these aren't inalienable rights right it's not there's no inalienable right to walk around nude right

02:28:09.840 yeah and in further just i mean the are you familiar with the legal term de minimis so it's

02:28:16.000 such a my i would consider it a fairly minor at least in the scale of what when people typically

02:28:21.840 have conversations about rights this one would occur to me to be who would care anyway you think that if

02:28:27.920 they wanted to pass a constitutional amendment that women could walk around topless and any

02:28:31.440 fucking men would object no nobody's gonna object sign me up they're not objecting to that

02:28:37.440 that and there's no women out there advocating for that so it's like even that would just be a

02:28:42.480 really poor example ultimately we have brian rookhard women are already protected the 14th

02:28:46.560 amendment already provides equal protection married women's property acts were passed in 18 excuse me

02:28:51.840 1839 and then thereafter equal pay act passed in 1963 fair housing act prevents discrimination in

02:28:58.480 housing on basis of sex so so this is like thank you brian good name when you're thinking about

02:29:04.640 immutable characteristics basically the law at the constitutional level has been completely changed

02:29:11.280 so that people with immutable characteristics are protected via those immutable characteristics that

02:29:15.280 would be sex that's uh race all of that right and gender now because of both stocks yeah these are

02:29:22.080 things that are unchanging so well except maybe that one but uh actually immutable right and you can't

02:29:29.040 change them the constitution has compensated for all of those so nobody is you're not allowed to

02:29:34.000 you can't say you can't vote because you're black can't say you can't vote because you're white can't

02:29:37.360 say you can't vote because you're female can't say you can't vote because you're male can't tell

02:29:41.140 you can't own a gun because you're black can't they can't own a gun because you're white can't tell

02:29:44.400 you you can't have freedom of speech because of these things so all of these across across the board

02:29:49.200 it's protected yeah two chats here coming in we have giovanni c based blond blue shirt bonus points for

02:29:56.400 for not butchering your baby.

02:29:57.840 God bless.

02:30:00.700 All right.

02:30:01.300 Thank you, Giovanni.

02:30:02.920 Appreciate it.

02:30:04.880 And then we do have SS Salwoff coming in.

02:30:10.900 Thank you.

02:30:12.560 Thank you, man, for the TTS,

02:30:14.820 or not the TTS, the Streamlabs message.

02:30:16.720 Howdy, long-time listener, first-time donator.

02:30:19.040 Hey, thank you, man.

02:30:19.560 Really appreciate it.

02:30:20.560 Welcome, welcome.

02:30:21.480 Why do all the troubled guests sit in that spot?

02:30:23.180 Question for the panel.

02:30:23.900 If Christianity were true,

02:30:25.120 would you become a Christian?

02:30:27.340 Are you able to scoot into the table just a little bit?

02:30:29.380 Yeah.

02:30:29.400 So what's the question?

02:30:30.680 Can I, let me say this really quick.

02:30:33.600 I have obviously bitten off more than I can, too.

02:30:37.640 No, you're good.

02:30:38.400 No, no.

02:30:39.060 Oh, you're doing great.

02:30:39.960 Don't worry about it.

02:30:40.860 You're a legend.

02:30:41.840 Thank you.

02:30:43.200 You came in guns blazing.

02:30:44.340 You're doing great.

02:30:44.820 I tried.

02:30:45.700 No, I really do appreciate the opportunity to be here.

02:30:48.840 Wait, we got to get through at least all your notes.

02:30:50.640 No, no, no, no.

02:30:51.020 Hold on, hold on.

02:30:51.940 Just stay for, we'll get through your notes.

02:30:53.500 No, I really.

02:30:53.780 I will fast track.

02:30:55.160 Can you at least leave the booze?

02:30:56.960 Oh, yeah.

02:30:57.660 I'm leaving the booze.

02:30:58.460 That's for you guys.

02:30:59.640 No, I really appreciate you having me on.

02:31:00.480 I feel like that's a reasonable contribution.

02:31:02.380 Yeah, I appreciate you having me on.

02:31:03.100 Wait, let me at least fast track.

02:31:04.540 No, no, no.

02:31:04.760 I gotta go.

02:31:05.780 You gotta go because.

02:31:07.140 Can this be a respectful quit?

02:31:09.060 Like, thank you for everything.

02:31:10.880 Wait, wait.

02:31:11.280 You can't just leave.

02:31:12.000 I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not crying.

02:31:13.560 I'm tired.

02:31:14.460 That's why.

02:31:14.740 You're tired?

02:31:15.960 Yeah.

02:31:16.380 I've been up since like three in the morning.

02:31:17.820 Okay, but at least, look, you provide a lot of notes.

02:31:19.840 Tell you what, I will, hold on, I will fast track.

02:31:23.500 Respectfully, this has been really great.

02:31:25.100 Listen, but at least hear, hear the offer.

02:31:28.140 You gotta at least hear the offer.

02:31:29.300 Respectfully.

02:31:29.740 I will fast track.

02:31:31.100 Thank you so much.

02:31:31.260 I will fast track your notes.

02:31:32.840 It's not a rage quit.

02:31:33.220 I will fast, you said it was a rage quit.

02:31:36.000 It's not.

02:31:36.620 I think it was a rage quit.

02:31:37.460 Well, thank you so much for having me here.

02:31:38.320 I think it was a rage quit.

02:31:39.120 I think you can't defend your, your worldview.

02:31:42.400 You can't defend your worldview.

02:31:43.620 I think you're a coward, to be honest.

02:31:45.040 I think it's cowardly for you to quit because you've been absolutely demolished by Andrew.

02:31:50.080 But, but leave the booze.

02:31:52.540 You did a great job, Andrew.

02:31:54.080 Thank you.

02:31:55.480 Have a nice day.

02:31:57.140 You're not going to defend all your other things here.

02:32:00.220 When you become a conservative, I am.

02:32:02.520 Snowflake.

02:32:03.160 Imagine.

02:32:03.800 She left the booze.

02:32:05.680 Total.

02:32:06.240 I mean, I typically wouldn't revert to.

02:32:08.580 Oh yeah.

02:32:08.900 The notes would have been cool.

02:32:11.480 There's like 80 of them.

02:32:13.260 80 pages of them.

02:32:14.560 I like reading.

02:32:15.280 Yeah, leave the notes.

02:32:16.300 At least leave the notes so we can look at them.

02:32:22.560 Look, I mean, she provided a lot of notes.

02:32:25.540 This is what happens when liberals get angry and get called out.

02:32:28.360 I mean, this is, I mean, she, she, she said that women don't have equal rights under the

02:32:32.800 constitution using a different sense of the word constitution.

02:32:35.840 It's a very weak constitution to not be able to have a conversation without just shutting

02:32:43.200 down every single time.

02:32:44.280 By the way, the TPUSA girl wrecked her worse than I did.

02:32:47.640 What'd you say?

02:32:48.580 No.

02:32:48.960 Good job.

02:32:49.240 Yeah.

02:32:50.240 Next.

02:32:50.620 If I can give it to you over there.

02:32:52.060 I don't understand the point of coming on the podcast.

02:32:54.720 If you know what you're getting into and then you're just going to leave.

02:32:58.140 She said she was coming in guns blazing.

02:33:00.540 80 pages.

02:33:01.740 Shut down multiple conversations.

02:33:03.280 The moment that she got a little bit outclassed conversationally, uh, but can we look up the

02:33:09.100 bright side?

02:33:09.740 We couldn't talk about a lot of space on that side of the table.

02:33:12.520 We couldn't talk about anything.

02:33:14.840 You can't rate yourself.

02:33:16.960 A lot of space.

02:33:17.920 Everything.

02:33:18.460 So now there's space over there.

02:33:19.460 But yeah, she's finished.

02:33:20.620 Conversationally.

02:33:21.040 Yeah.

02:33:21.780 Conversationally.

02:33:22.260 Yeah.

02:33:22.640 Conversationally.

02:33:23.260 You can definitely.

02:33:24.320 Okay.

02:33:24.580 So we're going to, yeah, we will move you guys a little bit here.

02:33:27.580 So I think, why don't we.

02:33:30.460 I appreciate the tequila though.

02:33:31.440 Yeah, I think honestly, easiest thing, we'll just have you get out of your seat, you in

02:33:36.700 the middle and you'll just take that seat right there.

02:33:39.100 I think actually here, let me have you scoot over one and then we'll put you in that seat.

02:33:43.660 We'll do that.

02:33:44.660 All right.

02:33:45.120 Sorry guys.

02:33:45.520 We're just playing musical chairs here.

02:33:47.740 Guys.

02:33:48.120 The only reason I pushed back and I wanted her to stay is she had a bunch of notes, other

02:33:51.960 notes I wanted to get into.

02:33:54.080 Um, just kind of unfortunate.

02:33:56.660 Oh, by the way, guys, we are, uh, I guess we are.

02:34:01.440 We're going to, Nick, you good back there?

02:34:05.940 Nick?

02:34:08.220 They're still dealing with her?

02:34:09.600 Okay.

02:34:09.880 I don't know.

02:34:11.560 Is he going to be okay?

02:34:13.260 Yeah, that'll be okay.

02:34:14.300 Yeah, that'll be fine.

02:34:15.600 Um, she had a lot of other, I mean, I can just read the notes really quick for those who

02:34:20.500 are curious.

02:34:20.960 Yeah, I'm interested.

02:34:21.900 We won't get into it since she's not here, but I'll just read them.

02:34:24.380 Uh, Charlie, Charlie Kirk keeps saying, uh, that's not relevant.

02:34:28.880 Uh, he said, he, she did say she'd love to take on this little uneducated turd, AKA Charlie

02:34:34.000 Kirk.

02:34:34.720 Charlie Kirk is a friend of the podcast, by the way.

02:34:37.460 Rude.

02:34:38.200 Rude.

02:34:38.620 I will defend Charlie Kirk.

02:34:40.260 Uh, AB check.

02:34:41.080 Thank you.

02:34:41.340 Appreciate it.

02:34:41.820 We have, uh, she also said, I also have a theory that every pro-life argument you can

02:34:47.320 make can also be made for the outlawing of guns.

02:34:51.380 That's ridiculous.

02:34:52.640 Oh.

02:34:52.840 I would have loved to have got it.

02:34:54.640 That's why I was pushing hard for her to stay so we could have gotten into the pro-life

02:34:58.780 arguments can be made about outlawing.

02:35:00.480 The life of a gun starts at conception.

02:35:02.440 Indeed.

02:35:03.580 I love it.

02:35:04.420 Are they already going down the stairs?

02:35:04.900 When the gun, when the, when the little colt is in the womb, anyways, um, when the little

02:35:12.820 Smith and Wesson, the little baby Smith and Wesson, it's a fetal Smith and Wesson.

02:35:17.780 It's not fully.

02:35:19.420 Not developed yet.

02:35:20.460 It's not fully, it's not fully developed.

02:35:22.940 It's, it can't survive outside the womb.

02:35:24.840 So, uh.

02:35:25.840 Ryan, can we take this moment to pull up Debate University?

02:35:30.560 Yeah, we can do it really quick, guys.

02:35:32.180 DebateUniversity.com.

02:35:33.220 DebateUniversity.com.

02:35:36.000 It is a program to teach you how to become a master debater.

02:35:43.160 And, uh, there's 80 plus videos, about six hours of instruction from the great Andrew

02:35:51.300 Wilson and a couple other, uh, we have a couple other instructors, so be sure to check it out.

02:35:55.700 DebateUniversity.com.

02:35:57.280 Also, let's get some of these chats going, uh, and we'll get into everybody else's notes.

02:36:02.800 I appreciate you guys being patient, um, but it was interesting, it was interesting to

02:36:07.540 get into that.

02:36:08.280 That was good.

02:36:08.400 That was really good.

02:36:09.040 Mm-hmm.

02:36:09.620 Uh, rip.

02:36:12.000 Um, okay.

02:36:13.540 One sec, guys.

02:36:14.420 Let me just make sure I got everything.

02:36:16.940 Oh, the.

02:36:17.360 I need to still do that chat about Christianity, which shouldn't take too long.

02:36:22.040 Um, he did ask, uh, if Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?

02:36:28.060 Just, well, first off, who's a Christian?

02:36:29.780 Show of hands.

02:36:32.220 Okay.

02:36:32.580 Uh, and then for you two, if it were true, would you become a Christian?

02:36:35.660 Well, if it were true, it wouldn't be a religious belief.

02:36:38.440 It would be a science, so it wouldn't, I guess.

02:36:42.240 Word.

02:36:42.920 Okay.

02:36:43.220 What about, what about you?

02:36:44.540 I'm not religious.

02:36:46.000 But if it, if it were true.

02:36:49.820 Sure.

02:36:51.060 Mm-hmm.

02:36:51.500 You don't think there's history, though, in the Bible?

02:36:53.800 There is.

02:36:54.980 Okay.

02:36:55.240 So, that doesn't make, you don't think that that brings any kind of validity to Christianity?

02:37:01.540 There's no way to prove nor disprove any spiritual beliefs.

02:37:05.160 That's why it's a belief and not a science.

02:37:07.520 Um, you can argue about whether, the Bible does have some historical backing, and sure,

02:37:13.080 you can sit there and argue about that, but there is no definitive proof of a God or a

02:37:17.120 heaven.

02:37:17.540 That is why it's belief.

02:37:18.880 So, there's no way to prove nor disprove, uh, it's about faith.

02:37:22.860 Yeah, it's about faith.

02:37:23.560 It wouldn't be a religion otherwise.

02:37:25.240 But why else have, why have, why else have a moral high ground if there's nothing to

02:37:29.940 hold you back from?

02:37:30.840 To be a good person.

02:37:32.060 But why?

02:37:33.080 That there's no moral high, if we have no faith, if we have nothing that matters for what our

02:37:38.200 actions are, which for me, I, as a Christian, I live by my morals and values based on what

02:37:43.200 I believe that God would like me to.

02:37:46.760 But if I remove that, then where are my morals and values stand?

02:37:50.200 I don't need them.

02:37:51.460 Right?

02:37:51.740 I can be, I can be a murderer, I can do this, because it doesn't matter, because there's

02:37:56.280 no consequences for me after.

02:37:59.560 So, that is just my, that's my point.

02:38:02.600 So, you would murder someone if you didn't get spiritual repercussion?

02:38:06.660 No, I'm saying what's the point of having morals and values of anything if there's no...

02:38:10.820 To be a good human being.

02:38:11.860 But why?

02:38:13.560 To be a good human being.

02:38:15.240 Why do you need a reason to be a good person?

02:38:17.920 Why do you need a God to tell you to be a good person?

02:38:20.720 It's about faith, moral advice.

02:38:21.700 How do you determine what is good?

02:38:23.880 That's based on every person.

02:38:26.140 My moral, what I believe is morally right is to be very different from someone else.

02:38:28.660 So, you can't hold anybody to a standard, then?

02:38:30.980 I agree.

02:38:32.500 So, everybody can just do what they want.

02:38:33.860 If you want to be a serial killer, be a serial killer?

02:38:35.840 I guess, if that's what you decide you want to do.

02:38:38.000 That's not what I would personally choose.

02:38:39.200 You wouldn't hold a serial killer to account?

02:38:41.920 The law would.

02:38:43.000 You wouldn't?

02:38:44.060 The law would.

02:38:44.900 Yeah, but you wouldn't?

02:38:46.600 Depends.

02:38:46.980 No, she would just put a hex on you.

02:38:49.120 I mean, what would it depend on?

02:38:54.060 I don't know.

02:38:54.700 I like the, there is a serial killer that was a woman that went around killing rapists.

02:38:59.820 And I would say that that's a pretty great, morally great area.

02:39:03.160 Anyways, I do have to move things up.

02:39:04.300 I just want to ask one last question.

02:39:05.620 So, is the good the good?

02:39:06.560 Sorry, I know I can't really talk about the subject.

02:39:08.840 I'm sorry.

02:39:09.160 Is the good the good?

02:39:11.360 What is good good?

02:39:13.120 Depends on who you ask.

02:39:14.140 I'm asking you.

02:39:15.060 What I believe is good.

02:39:16.260 Is it good?

02:39:17.540 I personally try to put out as much good energy and good towards people as possible.

02:39:23.100 Yeah, is what you believe is good, what is good?

02:39:26.720 I'm kind of confused on what the question is.

02:39:28.840 You believe, you have a belief in what is good.

02:39:31.080 Yeah.

02:39:31.900 Is that good?

02:39:33.240 To me, yes.

02:39:34.300 So, the good is the good?

02:39:35.720 Yeah.

02:39:36.280 So, you just made a circular argument.

02:39:37.800 The thing.

02:39:38.140 I do have to move this on.

02:39:39.020 The thing it is is what the thing it is because it's the thing.

02:39:42.020 Yeah, I don't really understand your argument.

02:39:45.460 Finishing up with the rage quits notes here.

02:39:48.020 She said, I wish she, fucking coward.

02:39:51.600 Okay.

02:39:54.800 Fucking 31-year-old fucking starting to cry because her worldview is getting fucking shit pushed in.

02:40:01.700 Okay.

02:40:01.840 Ryan, I've been off more than I can chew.

02:40:04.600 They sent you a note that said that I'm a Roth feminist and I was going to wreck the entire panel.

02:40:11.620 And then within 30 minutes, I started breaking down and crying because a girl told me, you haven't even read the bill, you fucking idiot.

02:40:19.000 It's rough out here, Brian.

02:40:21.580 I like how you defined it without even hesitation and she had her notes.

02:40:26.140 I was really sad when she walked away, not because I wanted to hear more of her stupid arguments, but because I wanted to provide an opportunity for her to ask questions so that I could tell her.

02:40:34.360 Because one of the biggest lies that feminists get sold right now is that Roe v. Wade outlawed abortion in America.

02:40:40.720 Correct.

02:40:40.840 You wouldn't believe how many women believe this.

02:40:43.280 And it's a lie.

02:40:44.060 It's a flat-out lie.

02:40:44.940 What it does is it gives rights back to the states.

02:40:47.220 So, in my home state of Tennessee, we can outlaw abortions.

02:40:50.020 And in California, right here, you can abort your baby when it's born.

02:40:53.260 That is what undoing Roe v. Wade did.

02:40:57.300 And I would just love to prove that point to somebody or not even prove it, but just have a conversation with her about it as opposed to her walking away.

02:41:04.020 Yeah, but it should have outlawed it at the federal level, period, for all states.

02:41:09.000 No, and you can totally believe that, but that's not what Roe v. Wade did, right?

02:41:13.460 No, I agree with that.

02:41:15.180 So, I'll just get – I'll do – for those who are just tuning in, Lady Rage Quit.

02:41:21.800 She had a couple more notes.

02:41:23.300 I'll just read them.

02:41:24.620 We won't actually debate them because she's not here.

02:41:26.820 But she said, most men actually hate women.

02:41:31.060 I think that he brings on guys that have this conservative mindset and talk down to women because they're insecure men at their core.

02:41:38.280 I'm Catholic.

02:41:39.420 Oh, my God.

02:41:40.620 This is why I also want to get into the abortion conversation because she's a pro-abortion Catholic.

02:41:47.720 I'm Catholic, and it's pretty disgusting how some of these guys quote the Bible to fit whatever narrative they want.

02:41:53.520 These non-denominational Christians think they're the end-all, be-all because they can quote the Bible, but they wouldn't last an hour in a Catholic church.

02:42:03.120 They literally cannot take our communion.

02:42:05.500 The Old Testament is an equivalent to fairy tales.

02:42:08.440 None of them are real.

02:42:09.480 I was hoping we would get to that because I'm Eastern Orthodox, and I can't take their communion.

02:42:13.900 They were meant to teach caution to people.

02:42:16.020 The golden rule is do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and I don't think any of these men act that way.

02:42:23.720 She also said, I had an ex poop on my hotel room floor when I was taking a shower.

02:42:28.880 How is that applicable?

02:42:30.160 Come on.

02:42:30.640 I want to hear that story.

02:42:32.180 That's what I came on for.

02:42:33.620 That was the other thing.

02:42:35.100 There was a lot in there, though.

02:42:39.440 I mean, it sounds like a very man-hating, very man-hating.

02:42:45.700 Yeah.

02:42:46.280 Well, she said most men actually hate women, but I was just confused about the whole, like, I'm a Catholic.

02:42:50.940 I'm a Catholic, but also pro-choice?

02:42:56.040 There's a lot of pro-choice Catholics.

02:42:59.080 Yeah, I'm Catholic, and I'm pro-choice.

02:43:01.120 I'm not, like, super religious, but then again, I'm also not, like, I don't know.

02:43:06.100 I think that there's, like, a limit.

02:43:08.020 I think both parties should have to agree for abortion, personally.

02:43:10.660 Now, the dogma of the church does not support that, so I can already hear in my head the raging, seeding Catholic fans on both the Crucible and whatever podcast going,

02:43:19.720 No, we don't, Andrew!

02:43:20.720 Listen, the dogma does not support it.

02:43:23.400 I'm not saying the Catholic dogma supports it.

02:43:24.980 It clearly doesn't.

02:43:26.280 I'm just saying that there's a lot of people who identify as being Catholics, who are baptized into the church, who support abortion.

02:43:31.760 You can't argue with me there, because it's true.

02:43:33.800 Yeah.

02:43:34.740 But doesn't it?

02:43:35.560 Joan F.D. donated $200.

02:43:40.220 The flight attendant is such in bad faith.

02:43:43.380 I am reading the online instant comments, and I agree with a lot of them that she is enjoying.

02:43:48.480 Just want to be argumentative with no substance.

02:43:52.360 Yo, Joanne, Joan, Joan, Joanne, thank you.

02:43:55.820 Appreciate that, TTS.

02:43:57.140 Thank you.

02:43:58.760 We won't linger too long on that specific topic.

02:44:01.500 I would like to ask about, well, maybe we can't, but I'd like to ask how you can be pro-choice and Catholic, though.

02:44:09.900 Do you smell that devil's lettuce?

02:44:14.540 A little bit, yeah.

02:44:15.640 A little bit of devil's lettuce going on?

02:44:16.600 A little bit of devil's lettuce going on?

02:44:21.160 I'm pro-choice, meaning, like, there's an exception.

02:44:25.300 Like, if the woman's going to die from giving birth, or something extreme like that, I'm not like, oh.

02:44:32.820 Yeah, but that's not an abortion.

02:44:34.660 That's medically necessary.

02:44:35.660 An entropic pregnancy would be a different category.

02:44:37.920 But then again, I also think that there's a lot of problems with, like, the foster care system.

02:44:44.180 And so, I don't know.

02:44:46.140 I know, see, I see both sides as the problem.

02:44:49.580 May I speak to that?

02:44:51.000 Yeah, yes.

02:44:51.320 Okay, so, I gave a baby away.

02:44:54.440 I'm actually in California visiting the child I gave away three years ago.

02:44:58.000 Because I have a 13-year-old daughter, so obviously she was an old enough child to realize that I was pregnant whilst I was pregnant.

02:45:05.620 And the thing that I didn't realize until I've had so many conversations, and you just...

02:45:08.960 Jive Anik donated $200.

02:45:13.340 It is a core tenant of Catholicism that you cannot be pro-abortion.

02:45:17.600 I know.

02:45:18.020 It is mandatory that you are excommunicated if you get one knowing that the penalty is excommunication.

02:45:24.940 GTFO.

02:45:25.880 Well, I personally wouldn't have an abortion because I wouldn't put myself in that situation to have a baby if I wasn't ready to have a baby and able to take care of a baby.

02:45:37.700 But I think that there are certain circumstances.

02:45:40.560 For example, we're not supposed to talk about it, but...

02:45:43.560 Like in the circumstances of SA?

02:45:45.580 Yes.

02:45:46.840 Okay.

02:45:47.800 Let me ask you a question.

02:45:49.920 So this is...

02:45:51.240 I'm going to do...

02:45:51.900 I hate doing this on behalf of big hat Catholics, but I'm going to do it anyway.

02:45:55.080 Okay?

02:45:56.300 The Catholic dogma supports that life begins at conception.

02:45:59.320 Mm-hmm.

02:46:00.540 If you were to get SA'd horribly, and then you went home to your already existing child and killed your already existing child, would that be justified?

02:46:11.260 No.

02:46:11.900 Why?

02:46:13.060 See, that's...

02:46:14.000 Hang on.

02:46:14.360 Why?

02:46:16.240 Because the child...

02:46:18.600 I don't necessarily believe...

02:46:21.440 I don't know.

02:46:22.360 You got me there.

02:46:23.080 Okay?

02:46:23.320 I'll give you that to you.

02:46:24.240 That is a wildly different comparison.

02:46:26.500 Is it?

02:46:27.040 There's still...

02:46:27.740 I understand that there's still...

02:46:28.880 Let's find out if the logic is the same in both cases.

02:46:33.140 Well...

02:46:33.580 Okay.

02:46:33.820 Hang on.

02:46:34.500 Let me ask the question to you.

02:46:37.100 Okay?

02:46:37.300 Assume, for a second, you believed life began at conception.

02:46:41.540 Mm-hmm.

02:46:42.040 Okay?

02:46:42.980 If you were SA'd, could you go home, and could you kill one of your children who was already born?

02:46:49.360 Asking a woman to go through the trauma of giving birth to a baby that she was SA'd and going home and killing a child is a completely different topic.

02:46:59.760 Yeah.

02:46:59.940 So anyway, so back to my...

02:47:01.080 It's a lot more nuanced than that, though.

02:47:01.680 Before we get to the obfuscation of nonsense, let's get into the actual question.

02:47:07.200 Would you be justified if you believed life began at conception?

02:47:12.380 This is your core belief.

02:47:13.900 It begins at conception.

02:47:16.120 Okay?

02:47:17.640 If you were SA'd, could you go home and kill one of your children because of the trauma of the SA?

02:47:22.620 Or would you be held responsible for that?

02:47:24.800 You legally be held responsible.

02:47:26.340 That's right.

02:47:26.880 Well, and morally held responsible.

02:47:29.340 Yes.

02:47:29.460 So, what is the distinction between that life and this life?

02:47:36.180 Again, asking a woman to carry a child to term with her SA or his child to term is considerably different than her going home and killing a child that she has no previous trauma with.

02:47:48.940 He's talking about the conception of life of the baby.

02:47:51.360 If it's not justified for you to kill life, exit the womb, because it's life, this is your belief,

02:47:58.760 then how would it be justified for you to kill it in the womb if this is your belief?

02:48:02.440 Well, I don't believe in life at conception personally.

02:48:04.460 I understand, which is why I gave you the caveat.

02:48:06.980 If you believe to X, if you believe that life begins at conception, what would be the distinction between killing it in the womb and killing it exit the womb?

02:48:16.380 Again, the only thing that I would say is the trauma, because you don't have prior trauma with that child that you went home with.

02:48:24.200 If I got SA'd and I went home to a child.

02:48:25.780 If it was based on trauma then, why couldn't you then do it based on this same trauma to somebody who was already born?

02:48:31.820 That makes no sense.

02:48:32.960 If trauma is the justification for the killing of the life, then why couldn't you do it to somebody else?

02:48:40.720 Because that child isn't causing you trauma.

02:48:42.620 The child that's already home is not causing you trauma.

02:48:45.360 You're not going to go through it.

02:48:47.180 Going home to a child after you got SA'd is not going to cause you trauma.

02:48:51.200 Giving birth to someone after you've been SA'd.

02:48:52.580 So you go home and your child looks just like your SA-er.

02:48:55.760 Even though they weren't born with them, they look just like them and it's causing you trauma.

02:48:59.580 Are you justified in taking that child's life?

02:49:01.340 No.

02:49:01.520 Why?

02:49:03.240 Because I believe that that is a human life.

02:49:05.280 I don't believe at conception.

02:49:06.000 But if you believed that it was at conception a human life, then how could you reconcile these two positions?

02:49:12.960 I understand why people are pro-life.

02:49:15.180 However, I disagree on what conception is.

02:49:18.240 Okay, I get it.

02:49:19.780 I'm not talking about your belief.

02:49:21.260 I'm saying a Catholic believes life begins at conception.

02:49:26.000 That is a human life at conception.

02:49:27.900 If you believe it's a human life at conception, how can you make an exception for SA if you were SA'd and had trauma from that, you could not then go home and kill somebody who was not in your womb?

02:49:38.720 What would be the distinction there?

02:49:41.080 I just think it's a more nuanced topic.

02:49:42.720 Yeah, I know, but can you answer to my question?

02:49:45.040 And then we'll get into your worldview.

02:49:46.820 Okay, let me put myself.

02:49:47.960 So I'm a Catholic.

02:49:49.500 I obviously wouldn't kill a baby because it's against your belief system.

02:49:54.240 Right.

02:49:54.280 It wouldn't make any sense.

02:49:55.140 It wouldn't make any sense to do.

02:49:57.060 Yeah, from your belief system.

02:49:58.800 I understand that.

02:49:59.320 I do think it is a different conversation.

02:50:01.560 It's kind of comparing apples to oranges a little bit.

02:50:03.300 No, it's not, and I'll tell you why.

02:50:04.900 Even from your worldview, it's not comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges.

02:50:09.480 It would be comparing apples to apples.

02:50:10.960 The idea here is trauma is the justification for the elimination of the pregnancy.

02:50:16.860 You give it a further justification, and you say, because it's also not a life.

02:50:21.060 Okay, I can concede that you believe that.

02:50:23.000 For the Catholic belief, though, they're saying the only justification can be trauma

02:50:28.960 because they believe at conception this is a human life.

02:50:34.580 So trauma is our only justification for the elimination of the life,

02:50:38.380 so then why couldn't you do that outside of the womb?

02:50:40.600 That makes no sense to me.

02:50:42.860 It's just different.

02:50:44.000 I have a question that might actually change my view.

02:50:46.560 Okay.

02:50:47.340 Does a fetus, like no matter how early on...

02:50:51.180 Fetus means baby.

02:50:51.760 Yeah, well, like when it's in the womb, you know, no matter how long, like, do they...

02:50:58.720 Does the baby feel the abortion?

02:51:00.460 You're talking about the gestation of it?

02:51:02.020 Yeah, like do they feel it in there or understand?

02:51:02.960 It's actually one of the hardest things I've ever had to go through and, like, witness.

02:51:07.040 I didn't have an abortion.

02:51:07.900 I said that really wrong.

02:51:09.220 But when I was your age, I had the same position as you.

02:51:12.140 Like, of course, I'm conservative, so therefore I'm, like, somewhat libertarian,

02:51:15.800 and therefore I believe the government should not be involved in what I do with myself or my body, right?

02:51:19.600 It's, like, actually a really normal line to come through.

02:51:22.980 Yeah.

02:51:23.380 But, yes, that is why heartbeat bills are wildly important in states all across the nation.

02:51:28.900 They're being passed because at a heartbeat, that is when the baby can feel pains when they have a breathing heartbeat.

02:51:35.940 I'm not entirely sure if they can feel it before the six weeks, but I am fully aware that five and a half to six weeks after yes.

02:51:42.360 If it was proven that they can feel it before the six weeks, then I would be against...

02:51:45.620 Let us assume for a second that they couldn't feel shit and that you had a quadriplegic and you couldn't feel shit.

02:51:52.740 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.01.

02:51:57.320 Feminists always use the talking point, ignoring the fact that over two out of three pregnancies that result of SA are carried to birth.

02:52:05.760 Less than 0.01% of 01% cases is the worst justification for murder.

02:52:11.740 Yeah, perhaps...

02:52:13.020 Thank you, Grid One.

02:52:13.600 Perhaps Grid One.

02:52:14.120 He's a brave and a decent man.

02:52:15.740 He's a pioneer.

02:52:16.400 A little pushback to you is that regardless of how few there are, that is the justification which needs to be contended with.

02:52:25.480 So even in this case, when you say, if it couldn't feel pain before X day, what if the kid who you then went home and killed based upon the trauma that you received external to the kid also couldn't feel pain for some reason?

02:52:40.160 Maybe they had no nerve endings.

02:52:43.640 Or maybe someone's in a coma.

02:52:45.980 Yeah, something like this.

02:52:48.240 I just feel like it's different since that, like, you know, they already have, like, life experience.

02:52:55.500 Why would the...

02:52:56.240 Wait a second.

02:52:59.200 Why would that be the determiner?

02:53:02.500 Why would it make life more valuable because you've had more time to experience it?

02:53:07.320 I don't know.

02:53:08.480 I really don't know.

02:53:09.620 See, this is what I'm saying.

02:53:10.980 Like, I'm kind of on the fence with it.

02:53:12.600 Well, how do we get you off the fence?

02:53:13.880 What do I need to do to get you off the fence and on this side?

02:53:16.380 Can I try something?

02:53:17.900 Yeah.

02:53:18.400 Something that really changed my mind on this was a lot of black men will say that they feel the police are racist towards them or they feel the police are biased against them.

02:53:29.120 I'm sorry.

02:53:30.380 And when you actually dig into the data, like, if you go to the Washington Post and you dig into the data, we as a country feel that way.

02:53:36.620 And I think that's a general sentiment that I even, left, right, or center, you have felt that way in general based on the propaganda or the media that you consume.

02:53:43.420 At the end of the day, if you go and you look at the statistics of unarmed black men who are shot by the police in, let's see, 2023, it was 10.

02:53:52.200 And yet that warrants an entire health crisis, according to Duke University.

02:53:55.440 And so sometimes there are things that we may not feel or we as a society go, oh, you know, I really feel that way or I understand it that way.

02:54:04.180 But then you look at the data and it is not that way.

02:54:06.680 And for me, that was how the pro-abortion to pro-life movement was for me, where I was just like, you know what?

02:54:12.740 At a certain point, it does defy the way you feel.

02:54:16.300 It is just logic.

02:54:17.720 Sorry if I didn't speak close enough to the mic on that.

02:54:20.220 I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

02:54:22.240 Okay.

02:54:22.520 She's talking about based on emotion.

02:54:23.900 Yeah.

02:54:24.140 Did I not make that?

02:54:25.600 Was that not clear?

02:54:26.400 Yeah.

02:54:26.600 I think, are you saying that because people have emotional responses based on societal programming?

02:54:35.320 Is that what the point is?

02:54:36.100 Ulysses, the pagan donated $200.

02:54:39.380 To the pro-choice advocates on the panel, how do you say with one side of your mouth woman's rights, but you're taking that right away from the female within womb?

02:54:48.980 I need to do a little shifting.

02:54:54.160 Thank you, pagan.

02:54:54.960 Appreciate it.

02:54:55.700 I need to do a little shifting here when it comes to the seating.

02:54:58.860 Is it possible for you to scoot in, but scoot into the table, scoot into the table?

02:55:03.500 You guys are a little far away from the mics.

02:55:06.140 Can I have you scoot your mic to the very edge of the table?

02:55:08.720 Yeah.

02:55:09.160 And then tilt your mic down a little bit?

02:55:11.840 Like that?

02:55:12.260 Yeah, that's good.

02:55:13.580 I'm just trying to get things a little fixed here.

02:55:18.280 Sorry, guys.

02:55:18.900 We did some arrangement after the guns blazing feminist left crying.

02:55:26.220 Guns weren't blazing very well.

02:55:27.400 Not really.

02:55:28.820 Let me do a couple chats here.

02:55:30.040 She came in eyes crying, not guns blazing.

02:55:33.860 Nathaniel Cook, nope, Ryan, and some human...

02:55:36.540 I'm stroking out here.

02:55:40.440 Municipalities.

02:55:41.100 Women have the right to sit at public parks alone on the bench where men are banned from doing so.

02:55:45.900 Women have rights that men do not if we use that logic.

02:55:49.400 Is that actually the case, that men are banned?

02:55:51.260 That's not a right.

02:55:52.360 There's laws that you can't shoot jackrabbits from trolley carts, dude.

02:55:56.000 There's all sorts of bizarre laws in all sorts of municipalities and small towns all across the United States

02:56:02.780 that have nothing to do with what are considered inalienable rights.

02:56:06.960 That is an intriguing one, though, if there is in some places men are...

02:56:11.000 I'd have to investigate that.

02:56:12.920 There's probably laws on the book in some of these towns that men have to come in and tip their hat to women

02:56:16.500 and not the other way around.

02:56:17.800 Just like women used to have to be in certain places to breastfeed.

02:56:21.140 I mean, it's just...

02:56:22.700 We have Billiam, the Mars Humpty Dumpty's logic.

02:56:25.100 Had a great fall.

02:56:25.780 Humpty Dumpty wobbled out in a ball.

02:56:28.660 Okay, Billiam.

02:56:29.700 All right.

02:56:30.240 Thank you for the super chat.

02:56:31.540 Appreciate it, man.

02:56:32.700 If you guys want, get some super chats in.

02:56:35.120 Oh, and we do have GR Gracie here.

02:56:37.420 At a base level, believing in a God, a higher power, implies all of us are connected.

02:56:43.300 You having an abortion affects all of us.

02:56:44.860 How can you be upset at the person fighting for your child's life?

02:56:48.380 I'm not upset at that.

02:56:52.320 I don't understand the question.

02:56:54.160 I mean, yeah.

02:56:57.340 Gracie, you want to parse that out a little better for the panelists?

02:57:01.120 It sounds like he's trying to ask, like, why do people get upset when people fight against abortion?

02:57:06.280 Like, what...

02:57:06.820 Because you hear that a lot.

02:57:07.820 Like, people ask, like, why do you care if I abort my baby?

02:57:10.660 It has nothing to do with you.

02:57:11.240 My body, my right.

02:57:12.180 But it does because of a societal standpoint.

02:57:14.920 Yeah, sure.

02:57:16.280 Anyways, I'll move this on.

02:57:18.480 I guess the final thing from that girl who left, she wanted to talk about women's rights, ERA, trans rights, weaponized Christianity, Project 2025, internment camps, communication theory, and logical fallacies and arguments, parentheses, straw man theory in particular, Andrew's favorite.

02:57:36.060 Okay.

02:57:37.060 Moving on, 2020, Project 2025.

02:57:38.860 You know, she came with a lot of things she wanted to talk about, but when she showed up to the gun show, the showdown?

02:57:47.260 I don't know.

02:57:48.280 It's not the gun show, that's for sure.

02:57:50.640 Yeah, the OK Corral.

02:57:51.640 The showdown.

02:57:53.060 All the complex topics, and then you ask 1 to 10, and it's over.

02:57:57.780 It was too hard.

02:57:58.380 But you're not even thinking about her therapist right now.

02:58:01.040 What's wrong with you?

02:58:02.640 You're not even thinking about her poor therapist.

02:58:04.580 It would have undone years.

02:58:05.640 How many years of therapy do you think she's going to need because of tonight?

02:58:08.940 10, at least.

02:58:11.260 She's probably on the phone with them right now.

02:58:12.800 She should just stop going about there.

02:58:13.760 How many years of therapy are we going to need because of tonight?

02:58:17.420 I'm going to need a lot of therapy, I think.

02:58:20.560 Anyways, getting into some other show notes here.

02:58:23.920 So we have Belle.

02:58:28.300 Speaking of hexes, so you're a witch.

02:58:31.400 Yeah.

02:58:32.000 You're a witch.

02:58:33.240 Yes.

02:58:33.800 We said Catholic too, right?

02:58:35.220 No.

02:58:35.480 No.

02:58:35.980 I thought you said you were Catholic.

02:58:37.140 She grew up.

02:58:37.740 I grew up Lutheran.

02:58:39.820 Oh, OK.

02:58:40.460 Yeah, she's Catholic.

02:58:41.640 Wait, just curious.

02:58:42.400 Are your parents still together, or are they separate?

02:58:45.100 They're separate.

02:58:45.760 Separate?

02:58:46.220 Separate.

02:58:46.660 My dad's more atheist, I guess.

02:58:48.340 He's leaning.

02:58:49.220 Yeah, it was more my mom.

02:58:50.520 Now, there's a couple things here.

02:58:52.580 You have quite a few things on your TikTok.

02:58:55.460 We don't have...

02:58:56.140 There's so many, I didn't even bother looking at the individual.

02:58:58.960 I post a lot.

02:59:00.700 It's a lot of different stuff.

02:59:01.640 We might go through the TikTok a little bit later, but apparently you hexed...

02:59:05.460 You did a baneful hex?

02:59:07.900 Mm-hmm.

02:59:08.600 Well, it's just a hex.

02:59:09.600 So baneful is just terminology for...

02:59:11.760 Baneful...

02:59:12.260 What is baneful?

02:59:13.360 That's kind of like negative.

02:59:14.640 Can I...

02:59:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:59:15.440 So it used to be called black versus white magic, but that brought up a lot of racial problems.

02:59:21.060 Let's not bring George Floyd into this.

02:59:22.520 So that's why we don't say it anymore.

02:59:24.400 So baneful is just in reference to anything that's going to cause harm.

02:59:27.320 What do you mean?

02:59:27.840 It doesn't have nothing to do with race?

02:59:30.260 It does, because a lot of people of color's spiritual practices do get demonized often

02:59:37.820 in the witchcraft community.

02:59:39.440 Like voodoo?

02:59:39.680 It's like a really big...

02:59:40.640 Yeah, yeah.

02:59:41.160 Voodoo.

02:59:41.800 Voodoo.

02:59:42.520 And so when people were referring to black magic, they were primarily targeting people of color.

02:59:46.840 And so that's why, like, just witchcraft in general...

02:59:49.760 But weren't they primarily practicing black magic?

02:59:53.060 Yeah, but black magic was considered evil.

02:59:56.300 White magic was considered good.

02:59:57.720 And that just gets into the semantics of race.

03:00:00.340 Black versus white.

03:00:00.640 Mike Davis donated $200.

03:00:02.980 Yeah, thank you, Mike.

03:00:03.360 Don't understand the debate.

03:00:04.540 It's still very much used, by the way.

03:00:05.640 It's simple.

03:00:06.540 Any woman outside the kitchen is a woman escaped from her natural habitat.

03:00:11.080 Disappear.

03:00:11.600 The furthest they can wander is around the home.

03:00:14.320 One step out and shoot to kill.

03:00:17.540 All right.

03:00:18.040 Wait till he hears about kitchen.

03:00:19.480 And that's why Mike Davis is single and at home with his mother.

03:00:23.300 Yeah, so...

03:00:23.840 Oh, shit.

03:00:24.620 Mike Davis.

03:00:25.160 Shots fired.

03:00:26.460 Bainful just refers to...

03:00:26.880 That's Mike Davis, by the way.

03:00:28.060 He's a troll.

03:00:29.200 He's a resident troll.

03:00:30.780 And he's probably single.

03:00:33.560 Mike Davis, are you single, or how many girlfriends do you have?

03:00:36.220 Mike Davis.

03:00:37.040 I think he's kind of like a stud.

03:00:39.660 He's a stud.

03:00:40.380 He's got, like, a bunch of girls, I think.

03:00:42.920 Shock.

03:00:43.920 Polyamorous?

03:00:44.420 He's got a roster, I think.

03:00:46.060 Shock.

03:00:46.480 No, so you said you hexed someone, and they went bald and developed schizophrenia.

03:00:51.900 Mm-hmm.

03:00:52.240 And are you happy about that?

03:00:54.220 Yeah, that was also an abusive relationship.

03:00:57.220 I've been in two abusive relationships.

03:00:59.880 Just two?

03:01:00.540 Yeah.

03:01:00.820 Or more?

03:01:01.620 Just two.

03:01:03.840 They were pretty primary.

03:01:05.100 That one was a two-year long.

03:01:06.680 We lived together.

03:01:08.180 It was really bad.

03:01:09.300 He, like, threw oranges at me.

03:01:10.640 He would just throw, like, pelt oranges at me.

03:01:13.000 No, I'm kidding.

03:01:13.600 He'd play League of Legends all the time.

03:01:15.480 Scream.

03:01:16.440 I'm not.

03:01:16.920 I can't even make that shit up.

03:01:19.300 He would throw oranges at me.

03:01:20.280 Are they store-bought, or, like, they grew in your backyard?

03:01:22.360 Like, the cuties.

03:01:23.280 And he would throw them.

03:01:24.200 Oh, okay.

03:01:24.300 All right.

03:01:24.800 You know how hard you have to throw an orange at someone to leave a bruise?

03:01:27.420 You have to throw them pretty hard.

03:01:29.440 You're supposed to have people with oranges because it didn't leave bruises.

03:01:32.040 Yeah.

03:01:32.300 Yeah, well, it left a big bruise.

03:01:34.380 Oh.

03:01:35.080 He was doing it wrong.

03:01:35.400 That's how hard.

03:01:36.180 He was doing it wrong.

03:01:36.980 It was a whole thing.

03:01:38.000 I don't want to, like, get into it because I don't want to, like...

03:01:39.660 Is it wrong to ask somebody, like, what did you do before?

03:01:43.840 Is that wrong to ask that?

03:01:44.580 I was thinking the same thing.

03:01:45.680 Like, what did you do to constitute?

03:01:47.380 Yeah.

03:01:47.880 It's not wrong to ask somebody.

03:01:48.500 It was, like, whole bag of oranges?

03:01:49.740 So, you can have horrible things conducted upon you by other people that are fucking terrible

03:01:54.580 and that may not have been merited by specific behavior, but that does not mean that you yourself

03:01:59.080 are a saint in the entirety of the relationship.

03:02:01.680 I think it's totally fair to ask a person if they brought angst to the relationship or problems

03:02:06.660 of their own, even if it didn't merit the response.

03:02:09.520 Yeah.

03:02:09.780 I would say from the dynamic from the beginning, I didn't want to be in a relationship with

03:02:14.660 him, and he continuously pushed it.

03:02:16.780 I was in a very, very...

03:02:18.200 Like, I had very low self-esteem.

03:02:19.740 At the point, I was not in a good place mentally, and he was love-bombing me, and I knew he was

03:02:26.660 love-bombing me, but I honestly accepted it and still went along with the relationship

03:02:31.160 because it felt good.

03:02:33.980 I was living in a really toxic living situation.

03:02:37.480 I got randomly roomed with this girl who...

03:02:40.560 I don't think I can actually say it.

03:02:42.220 A Yahtzee?

03:02:43.000 I can't say it exactly, but it was someone who was, like, putting...

03:02:47.160 It was a really toxic living situation.

03:02:49.120 So I had to pick between living with someone with really crazy beliefs or living with a

03:02:55.600 boyfriend that I was dating for about two months.

03:02:57.900 So I moved in with him, and when I moved in, that's when the behavior started to rapidly

03:03:01.620 shift, and he changed pretty drastically overnight.

03:03:05.720 It was pretty drastic.

03:03:07.100 And of course, I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, I was never toxic.

03:03:11.340 I was never a problem because reactive abuse is, like, a very, very common thing.

03:03:18.420 And so...

03:03:18.960 I can agree with that.

03:03:20.400 I've been in a similar situation with that one.

03:03:22.360 I have a switch of a flip.

03:03:24.400 I got...

03:03:25.020 He pushed me...

03:03:26.560 Because I usually don't hex people for personal reasons.

03:03:28.980 I've only hexed three people in my life for personal reasons, and they pushed me to the

03:03:33.800 brink.

03:03:34.060 However, in each of these instances, it was never solely about me.

03:03:38.780 So the first guy I hexed, I didn't hex him for about two years after that whole situation.

03:03:44.200 I hexed him because I had a friend reach out to me and tell me that he did the same thing

03:03:47.840 to her in the bathroom.

03:03:48.960 Can you walk me through what you do for a hex?

03:03:51.060 Okay.

03:03:51.820 So I basically will take a photo.

03:03:54.180 I do usually a reading to pinpoint their weaknesses.

03:03:58.340 Everyone has different weaknesses.

03:03:59.500 There's areas where you're going to excel at, and there's areas where you're naturally

03:04:03.180 not going to be as excelled at.

03:04:05.540 So I usually target those weaknesses.

03:04:08.220 Typically, I add specific herbs, specific broken glass is, like, a big thing, rusted nails,

03:04:14.660 really nasty ingredients.

03:04:17.260 Then I light a candle, and I put my energy towards it.

03:04:20.360 The energy you put towards it is really the biggest part of the whole situation.

03:04:25.020 And then I go about my day.

03:04:26.440 You can get the same results absent any ingredients, right?

03:04:30.200 No, not necessarily.

03:04:32.320 Why not?

03:04:32.740 If you have a love spell, and then you're using love spell ingredients, it's not going

03:04:37.460 to correspond, so it's not going to be as effective.

03:04:40.620 Yeah, but you don't need anything, right?

03:04:41.980 You could cast a spell just by projecting your will.

03:04:45.100 Yeah, there's a part of it.

03:04:45.480 Isn't that the most powerful form of magic?

03:04:48.120 I would say using the correct...

03:04:50.560 Their alamed meatball donated $200.

03:04:53.440 Who needs more therapy, Banshee or Max Rabo?

03:04:58.500 Who?

03:04:59.500 I think I'm the Banshee, because isn't that a terminology for witch?

03:05:02.520 So I've got to ask you a question.

03:05:04.260 Wait, just real Mr. Meatball.

03:05:06.060 Thank you, man.

03:05:07.220 Appreciate it.

03:05:09.500 Good to see you in the chat.

03:05:10.700 Yo, can you, Mr. Meatball, can you send me a DM on Instagram?

03:05:14.160 Okay, go ahead.

03:05:14.540 So you have no problem affecting other people's wills, obviously.

03:05:19.340 When you say, do you believe in the idea of good and evil, bad and good?

03:05:25.260 To a certain extent, I believe in something called comeuppance.

03:05:28.600 So it's kind of what...

03:05:29.540 Yeah.

03:05:29.720 When people talk about karma, karma is actually what happens in the next life.

03:05:35.860 Comeuppance is about what happens in this life.

03:05:38.060 So, for example, if you steal something for $20, usually something of $20 or less value might go missing from your house.

03:05:45.640 That's like a sign of comeuppance, instant karma, as you will.

03:05:48.800 So for every negative thing I do, I do try to put positive action out there as well.

03:05:54.820 However, I personally don't view hexing a really atrocious person as a negative, for me personally.

03:06:01.980 Do you believe that slavery is evil?

03:06:04.980 Yes.

03:06:05.820 Why?

03:06:08.080 Because it's taking away someone's free will.

03:06:10.900 So it affects their will.

03:06:12.540 Yeah.

03:06:13.000 How do your hexes not affect the will?

03:06:15.880 It helps put the will back into the power of the victim.

03:06:18.800 I bring power back to victims.

03:06:21.560 How are you not affecting other people's will if your idea of slavery is that you're containing will?

03:06:28.660 I don't view abusers as people.

03:06:31.600 I don't view rapists as people.

03:06:33.340 I believe they're subhuman.

03:06:33.820 So then would it be okay to enslave them?

03:06:36.540 I don't know.

03:06:37.880 I'm not going to sit here and talk about slavery because slavery doesn't have an impact on them.

03:06:41.940 Yeah, I think we are because I need an entailment here.

03:06:44.740 The entailment here is that I don't consider them people.

03:06:48.140 And as long as I don't consider you a person, why would it be a problem to enslave you then?

03:06:53.160 Because I'm not enslaving people.

03:06:54.780 I'm casting a spell.

03:06:56.680 I'm casting justice.

03:06:57.780 Forgive me.

03:06:57.860 I'm sorry.

03:06:58.360 You said that slavery, when I asked you what that meant, would be to hold someone against their will.

03:07:06.780 There's a lot of things wrong with slavery.

03:07:09.180 I don't think I need to sit here and say what's wrong with slavery.

03:07:11.880 What?

03:07:12.000 Do we really want to get into it?

03:07:14.340 Yeah.

03:07:14.820 I really want to get into it.

03:07:16.440 Okay.

03:07:16.880 What's wrong with it from your worldview?

03:07:18.560 From slavery?

03:07:19.820 Yeah.

03:07:21.060 Considering the fact that it rips families apart.

03:07:23.620 Uh-huh.

03:07:23.860 Considering the fact what they do to slaves.

03:07:25.920 Yeah, but that's all a side effect of containing someone against their will, right?

03:07:29.300 There's a lot more to it, though.

03:07:30.520 No, it's really just that.

03:07:32.280 There's a lot more to it.

03:07:33.220 What else is there?

03:07:33.920 A spiritual, holding a spiritual belief and owning slaves are not comparable.

03:07:39.520 Oh, no, they're totally comparable if the logic's the same.

03:07:41.900 So, let's start with this.

03:07:43.140 It's your logic.

03:07:43.280 Is, what is a slave itself?

03:07:45.680 Forget ripping, because there's some slaves, not going to have their family ripped apart, none of that.

03:07:49.880 What is a slave?

03:07:51.900 Someone who is indentured to another person.

03:07:54.200 They don't have to be indentured?

03:07:56.840 They.

03:07:58.260 It's just somebody controlling somebody else's will against their will, right?

03:08:01.820 That's all a slave is, isn't it?

03:08:02.980 Two cent of cent, yeah.

03:08:03.500 What do you mean?

03:08:04.160 What else?

03:08:04.500 But that's not, but I'm not holding, I'm not holding someone under my will forever.

03:08:09.560 All I'm doing is I'm pushing what's already coming towards them.

03:08:12.820 Wait, so then it's okay to hold people as slaves temporarily?

03:08:16.860 No, I'm not for slavery.

03:08:17.680 Well, then that argument makes no sense that you, well, I only hold their will temporarily.

03:08:22.600 But I'm not, I'm not taking away their will.

03:08:26.140 I'm pushing what's already coming towards them.

03:08:27.560 Wait, I'm sorry, did your ex, was it your ex's will to get a broken back and fall down three stories?

03:08:31.560 It was the universe's.

03:08:32.500 But it, not his.

03:08:33.980 It was the universe's.

03:08:34.900 And did you affect the universe?

03:08:37.000 Yeah, I would say so.

03:08:38.060 So then if you affected the universe, then you contained his will.

03:08:41.200 How's that not slavery?

03:08:42.480 I personally believe if someone punched you in the face and you punched them back.

03:08:46.520 That's not slavery.

03:08:47.640 No, because slavery is not comparable.

03:08:49.460 This is comparable.

03:08:50.260 No, it's not a containment of will.

03:08:51.320 If I punch you in the face and you punch me back.

03:08:53.260 No, that's a response to will.

03:08:54.960 Right.

03:08:55.200 Wait, so I responded to my will being taken away.

03:08:57.600 But I'm not containing his will.

03:08:59.640 You're containing the will.

03:09:00.920 I took my power back.

03:09:02.740 Right, by containing somebody else's will.

03:09:05.500 Call it whatever you want.

03:09:06.580 Call it slavery.

03:09:07.540 I took my power back.

03:09:08.040 How is it not slavery?

03:09:09.600 How is witchcraft not slavery?

03:09:10.940 Yeah, how is it not slavery to affect a person's will and get them to do things they ordinarily would not do?

03:09:16.620 I guess you could call it that.

03:09:17.820 But it's manipulation of energy.

03:09:20.080 Okay.

03:09:20.500 And it's more nuanced than that, though.

03:09:22.420 I don't think it is.

03:09:23.140 If the user put a hex on you, would you consider that?

03:09:25.820 It wouldn't land.

03:09:27.340 How do you know?

03:09:27.580 If it did land.

03:09:28.180 Because it's...

03:09:29.040 Okay.

03:09:30.980 Let's pretend it did.

03:09:32.840 It's not going to land.

03:09:34.420 I have people who try to hex me all the time.

03:09:36.440 I'm just asking you a question.

03:09:37.580 I'm trying to get clarity.

03:09:38.480 Okay.

03:09:38.640 Because I don't...

03:09:39.200 I'm just...

03:09:39.760 Yeah, yeah.

03:09:40.220 Clarity.

03:09:41.500 Just so I can understand.

03:09:42.320 What's your question?

03:09:43.160 Just what the difference is.

03:09:44.680 Like, where you feel it would be okay to put a hex on somebody else, and it's totally okay.

03:09:49.300 But if somebody were to put that one on you, how would you feel about it?

03:09:52.400 That's their decision.

03:09:53.640 It happens to me so often that it really doesn't bother me.

03:09:56.720 I have my protection set up, and I believe if I genuinely did something to harm someone, to cause them out...

03:10:04.080 I think you need to understand the amount of anger, the amount of pain that a victim has to go to,

03:10:09.460 to the point where they want to go take spiritual repercussions against them and be angry.

03:10:13.120 I have been assaulted.

03:10:14.720 I've been playing my finger, so I know.

03:10:16.300 So you understand the anger and...

03:10:18.120 Yeah.

03:10:18.240 Oh, of course.

03:10:19.080 It's a way for me that I was able to take my power back after it was taken away from me.

03:10:23.220 Okay.

03:10:23.700 Yeah.

03:10:24.080 So I have a question on this because you're trying to get justice for victims.

03:10:29.880 Do you think in the justice system, people are falsely accused?

03:10:32.880 That is a factor, but it is considerably lower than I think...

03:10:38.940 I don't think it's a big factor.

03:10:40.940 You don't think it's a big factor?

03:10:41.940 No.

03:10:42.400 I would say majority of victims are not false reporting.

03:10:46.720 I would say...

03:10:47.240 Okay, sure.

03:10:48.540 I'll even grant that the majority of victims are not making false accusations.

03:10:52.820 There's an overwhelming amount of women who don't even report what's happening to them.

03:10:57.280 Okay, so will you concede that women do make false accusations?

03:11:00.640 Yes, it does happen.

03:11:02.340 It's actually, in this specific crime you're talking about, there's higher incidence of

03:11:07.400 false accusations of this sort of crime where people have sort of misunderstandings of what

03:11:12.160 is and what isn't.

03:11:14.140 So you said you only do this to abusers.

03:11:18.100 How would you come to the determination that someone's actually guilty?

03:11:22.680 That's a really great question.

03:11:24.060 Are you just, they just say he abused me and you just believe it in all instances?

03:11:28.760 I have my spell set up, so anything that you put out returns back to you times three.

03:11:34.460 So if I hex someone and they didn't do anything wrong, it's not going to impact them.

03:11:38.940 It's not going to hit them.

03:11:40.040 I don't understand how that, there's like a...

03:11:42.640 That's how I have my spell set up.

03:11:43.860 There's like an asterisk.

03:11:44.880 There's an asterisk on your hexes.

03:11:47.120 Yes, so you write a petition.

03:11:49.560 A petition is a big part of it.

03:11:50.920 You write petition specifically what you want to happen.

03:11:54.060 And in my personal petition, how I personally practice, I put in the petition that if the

03:12:00.080 person is not doing anything, anything that they're putting out, they're going to get back

03:12:05.700 times three.

03:12:07.180 So if they're not doing anything...

03:12:08.960 No, no, no.

03:12:09.280 Go ahead.

03:12:09.860 You go ahead.

03:12:10.260 So if I asked you, for example, to put a hex on somebody and I tell you that they abused

03:12:16.220 me, but they didn't, like the hex wouldn't work?

03:12:18.840 No, not if you went to me.

03:12:21.100 If you went to a different practitioner, maybe if they did it differently, but that's personally

03:12:24.540 how I do mine.

03:12:26.100 Interesting.

03:12:26.700 Yeah.

03:12:27.080 Fair enough.

03:12:27.660 It depends on who you ask.

03:12:28.700 Fair enough.

03:12:29.060 But I would, I do believe the victim overall because I do think a vast majority of the people

03:12:34.820 coming to me are not falsely accusing.

03:12:37.640 I would assume most people who are going out of their way to pay for a service done, there

03:12:46.600 probably is a reason there.

03:12:47.820 I have an interesting question because you like to say a lot of things that are very nuanced.

03:12:51.720 Have you ever stopped to think that a lot of abusers are also victims?

03:12:54.960 Yeah.

03:12:55.480 Because, you know, so where's the cycle end?

03:12:58.680 Like if you're saying I'm coming after you because you abused me, but he abused you because

03:13:03.740 of someone who abused, like he is also a victim.

03:13:05.860 Like, I don't know the situation, but like in a lot of situations, people hurt because

03:13:09.680 they're hurt.

03:13:10.620 Yeah.

03:13:10.740 So why, where's the justification of saying now I'm just going to push more hurt onto

03:13:14.700 you, though you are now acting out of hurt?

03:13:17.860 Like where's the kindness, where's the love, where's the stop of it?

03:13:21.080 Where does it end?

03:13:21.940 Where does it end?

03:13:22.700 I am more focused on getting justice, whatever way that's you fit.

03:13:28.920 And there would be no end.

03:13:30.580 So therefore, there's never going to be an end to violence.

03:13:33.000 There's never going to be an end to abuse.

03:13:34.760 Because that's just not how the world works.

03:13:37.260 I really, I really hate that the world works like that, but it's never going to be like

03:13:41.260 that.

03:13:41.460 The world is never going to be equal.

03:13:42.700 It is never going to be fair.

03:13:43.340 Wait, so to be clear with these hexes and there's, let's assume this person is being falsely

03:13:47.960 accused and they're innocent.

03:13:49.220 So you cast the hex, but so the hex doesn't work if they're innocent?

03:13:54.480 Mm-hmm.

03:13:55.700 Based on how I have mine set up.

03:13:57.540 I'm a little confused by that.

03:14:02.820 I mean...

03:14:03.440 Well, you don't have any really knowledge of witchcraft.

03:14:07.120 I have zero knowledge of witchcraft.

03:14:08.200 Yeah.

03:14:09.120 So it's kind of hard to explain.

03:14:10.880 Her fine print, I guess.

03:14:11.600 I'm like, I'm trying to figure out.

03:14:13.060 Yeah.

03:14:13.320 So basically it's like you write a fine print, if that makes sense.

03:14:16.280 You write a contract.

03:14:17.280 It's kind of the same thing as like a clause for marriage.

03:14:21.580 We won't, a prenup, right?

03:14:23.240 You don't get 50% unless someone cheats.

03:14:25.860 So it's kind of the same.

03:14:26.740 It's like a prenup, I guess.

03:14:28.040 I write prenups for my spells, if that makes sense.

03:14:30.160 I can put it in that terminology and I think that'll make more sense to everyone on the

03:14:33.100 panel.

03:14:33.460 We have Dane's wife, JC Dugard, 11-year-old, kidnapped, stayed for the 18 years, has two

03:14:38.960 children during captivity, rescued when children 14 and 11 couldn't abort because of captivity.

03:14:43.920 Can she un-live those children or why not?

03:14:45.780 No, and I also would like to say that I think my mind has changed a bit since hearing your

03:14:54.780 argument.

03:14:56.240 Okay.

03:14:56.700 And also arguments like that because I never thought about it like that.

03:15:01.420 Nick, do you mean this camera?

03:15:03.220 Yeah.

03:15:04.180 On my side?

03:15:05.140 Yeah, no, that would be wrong.

03:15:07.300 Okay, all right.

03:15:10.000 Okay, then we have Giovanni C.

03:15:11.540 The witch girl says her motivation is justice, but also states her system is set up to repay

03:15:15.620 wrongs done to her three times as much.

03:15:18.240 Is that justice?

03:15:19.640 That's an interesting question.

03:15:21.460 It follows the law of three, which some witch people practice and people don't.

03:15:26.740 Isn't there something in the Bible, sevenfold vengeance?

03:15:30.260 I feel like this whole system was pulled off the movie The Craft.

03:15:32.920 Yeah, there is a lot.

03:15:34.620 There actually is a lot of witchcraft in the Bible.

03:15:37.820 There actually are a lot of witches that identify as Christian as well, too.

03:15:41.540 That's in the Bible.

03:15:42.820 I think it has to do with Cain.

03:15:44.200 I don't, anyways, that's kind of besides the point.

03:15:47.320 But is it justice though, really quick, to get three times?

03:15:51.460 So like eye for an eye, but three eyes, I guess, instead of for?

03:15:56.200 Yeah, I just have that set up.

03:15:57.820 I just work with the number three.

03:15:59.240 I just feel very called to it.

03:16:00.500 So that's what I do.

03:16:01.600 Okay.

03:16:02.340 Yeah.

03:16:02.540 And then something about, I saw on the TikToks start a roster.

03:16:06.480 Something about hexing a roster.

03:16:08.440 Oh, I don't, hex rosters.

03:16:09.520 The times three things.

03:16:10.960 Mm-hmm.

03:16:11.540 So if somebody kills a member of your family, right, then what would be the times three

03:16:17.580 back?

03:16:18.760 If someone killed a member of my family, I'm taking out their entire family.

03:16:22.560 But I ride for the people I love.

03:16:24.060 And that's justice?

03:16:25.200 For me.

03:16:26.280 I ride.

03:16:26.560 So even though the rest are innocent?

03:16:28.100 Yeah.

03:16:28.280 The family's innocent.

03:16:29.480 I ride for the people I love.

03:16:31.160 Wait, so hold on.

03:16:32.060 Let me ask.

03:16:32.280 Does people have to die for your revenge?

03:16:34.680 Wait, so okay.

03:16:39.060 A individual member of a family without any other of the family members being involved,

03:16:44.840 lone actor, kills a member of your family.

03:16:47.980 The other family's living on the opposite side.

03:16:50.640 Let's say they're in New York and this happened in California.

03:16:53.280 You're going to go kill the...

03:16:56.320 I guess for eye for an eye, I would just kill whoever killed my family member.

03:17:00.520 Well, now you're walking back your position.

03:17:02.980 But I don't know what I would do in that situation because I would be highly emotional.

03:17:06.040 You'd kill the whole family.

03:17:07.520 I might.

03:17:08.500 I just might.

03:17:09.800 Even if that family involved, like, innocent children?

03:17:12.340 No, I would never kill a kid.

03:17:13.600 Oh, not the kids.

03:17:14.360 No, no, no, not kids.

03:17:15.180 Not unless it's doing the wound.

03:17:16.140 What about the grandkids?

03:17:16.760 What if it's a kid who killed your family member?

03:17:18.540 I've never answered that.

03:17:19.520 You can't control for that.

03:17:20.660 It's a times three.

03:17:23.720 Would you kill a kid if it was a kid who killed your family member?

03:17:28.100 No, because it's a child.

03:17:29.580 Now, hang on.

03:17:30.280 I just want to make sure I got this.

03:17:31.200 I would never hex a child either.

03:17:32.560 I do want to make sure...

03:17:33.540 I would never hex anyone under age 18.

03:17:35.240 That I got this correct.

03:17:36.700 Mm-hmm.

03:17:38.160 That following this law of three, okay, the three times...

03:17:43.460 Sometimes, you know, that's what you get.

03:17:45.280 Mm-hmm.

03:17:45.580 You do believe that this actually works.

03:17:48.380 Mm-hmm.

03:17:48.880 I do believe my hex is land, yes.

03:17:50.740 Yeah, okay.

03:17:50.880 When they are meant to land.

03:17:52.060 And you believe that this actually has an effect on the world.

03:17:54.960 Yes.

03:17:55.420 So you believe that you are actually doing this.

03:17:57.840 Yes.

03:17:58.100 So then why would it not be justified if some member, let's say, of my crazy family somewhere,

03:18:04.240 right, hypothetically, took out a member of yours for me to not note that you would

03:18:10.220 do a spell that could then condemn me based on the belief that wouldn't I be then justified

03:18:15.800 to come in and take you out before you could do a hex?

03:18:19.000 You could try.

03:18:19.620 Yeah, no.

03:18:20.040 But that's not my question.

03:18:22.600 I know what a person could try.

03:18:24.800 I'm asking about the justification.

03:18:27.080 When the justification of, oh, shit, you took out this witch's husband, Paul, you know

03:18:33.000 what I mean?

03:18:33.460 Third cousin of mine.

03:18:35.060 She's going to take out the whole family.

03:18:36.600 Wouldn't they then be justified in doing something to you just based on your fact of

03:18:41.960 belief that this is?

03:18:42.880 Sure, yeah.

03:18:43.600 Yeah.

03:18:44.040 Yeah, sure.

03:18:44.720 And you think that that's coherent and not madness?

03:18:47.140 I think that if I genuinely hurt someone and they decided to cast on me, that that is

03:18:52.200 justified.

03:18:52.800 Not cast on you.

03:18:53.740 They did something completely different.

03:18:55.680 They just came and took you out because they believed like you did, that your spell could

03:19:00.400 have such an effect that it destroyed their whole family.

03:19:03.060 Would they be justified?

03:19:04.280 Or that you're going to murder the whole family or whatever.

03:19:06.260 Yeah, wouldn't they be justified in that?

03:19:08.980 I'm sure, I guess.

03:19:11.320 And you think that's justice?

03:19:13.080 I think what I do is justice.

03:19:15.660 We do have your website.

03:19:17.060 We wanted to pull it up.

03:19:17.960 Nick, could you get the website going?

03:19:21.880 So, it says custom made intense hexes.

03:19:26.060 Excuse me.

03:19:27.480 Do we?

03:19:28.600 Yeah, I offer a couple different services.

03:19:30.000 This is perfect for those looking to get justice or looking to remove someone out of their

03:19:33.400 life.

03:19:34.000 Scroll down, Nick.

03:19:35.340 Scroll down.

03:19:36.260 Scroll.

03:19:40.980 No, scroll.

03:19:41.980 Keep going.

03:19:43.380 That's my website.

03:19:44.180 Huh?

03:19:45.000 What's up?

03:19:46.440 What?

03:19:47.140 It was just tripping out inside.

03:19:48.880 Is it?

03:19:49.320 Do you mean the mouse wheel?

03:19:50.300 Do you do this full time?

03:19:51.160 I know, but you've got to use the little click thing.

03:19:53.860 And I just got my best friend hired as well, too.

03:19:57.200 So, do you work for someone else or you work?

03:19:59.440 No, I work for someone myself.

03:20:00.760 That's good.

03:20:01.100 Spell work.

03:20:01.700 I find everyone online.

03:20:03.380 Okay.

03:20:03.760 So, custom made, and I read these from the website, custom made intense hexes.

03:20:08.420 This is perfect for those looking to get justice or looking to remove someone out of their

03:20:12.740 life.

03:20:13.080 Areas I can hex.

03:20:14.600 Relationships, money, sex, health, baneful protection.

03:20:17.700 Remove someone from your life.

03:20:18.860 General negativity, make them go broke, hex, or click on the book today for hexes and baneful

03:20:26.160 work.

03:20:30.780 Scroll down.

03:20:32.820 Okay.

03:20:34.300 So, make them go broke, or I don't know if this was in a different one.

03:20:39.320 Oh, scroll down.

03:20:40.140 That's a whole section.

03:20:41.600 And then that is just.

03:20:42.140 Scroll up.

03:20:42.740 Oh, there it is.

03:20:43.360 Wait, wait, wait.

03:20:44.300 Scroll down.

03:20:45.180 Yeah, when they fill the form.

03:20:46.140 Scroll down.

03:20:46.480 Okay.

03:20:47.160 That's good.

03:20:47.640 What are you trying to achieve?

03:20:49.380 So, make them go broke, hex their love life, protect me and harm them when they get near

03:20:53.160 me, remove them from my life, plus cause pain, help me win a court case, general negativity.

03:21:01.760 Really quick on the help me win a court case one.

03:21:04.340 What if they're not in the right with the court case, but everybody thinks that they're

03:21:10.920 in the right, you know?

03:21:13.060 Yeah, that's not really.

03:21:14.540 I'm just offering a service.

03:21:15.840 So, when someone books for me for a justice working, and they tell me, basically, I'm

03:21:20.480 just going to help it so that they can present themselves better in court, so they have a

03:21:24.280 higher likelihood, a chance of achieving their purpose.

03:21:26.980 Can I ask you a question?

03:21:28.020 So, let's say, would you work for a guy, like if a guy wanted a hex?

03:21:33.080 Yeah.

03:21:33.540 Yeah, I have.

03:21:34.220 Actually, that's how I met my partner.

03:21:35.860 Okay.

03:21:36.080 So, if a guy came to you and said, hi, I've been falsely accused of SA, can you put a hex

03:21:43.720 on her to like get her to stop her accusations?

03:21:47.380 Yeah.

03:21:47.860 Can you help me in the criminal case that's ongoing, the civil case?

03:21:52.640 You would do that.

03:21:53.640 But I thought most, I thought you would tend to not agree that false accusations occur when

03:21:59.540 it comes to this crime.

03:22:00.340 Yeah, but what my client is coming to me and telling me is what I believe.

03:22:03.980 I'm being paid to listen to my client and deliver what my client is asking.

03:22:08.180 So, you're like a witch hitman?

03:22:11.140 I guess you could call me that.

03:22:12.460 So, you don't even care what your target is.

03:22:14.780 You don't do any research.

03:22:16.280 You don't try to determine if it's true.

03:22:18.320 You're just going to, they come and they give you the money and you're going to hex their

03:22:22.040 ass and that's the end of it.

03:22:23.100 I think you were away when we talked about it.

03:22:25.180 Basically, I have a clause set up in my spells that any negativity you put out will be returned

03:22:31.100 towards you.

03:22:31.740 So, I have it set up so that if that person that I am targeting is easy or is innocent,

03:22:38.460 it's not going to land.

03:22:39.420 It's an asterisk on the spell.

03:22:41.240 I have a fine print, essentially, that I put in.

03:22:44.260 Yeah.

03:22:45.140 But this all operates off perception.

03:22:47.680 You could perceive that you've had great wrongs done to you even if you actually have not.

03:22:51.960 But who is the juror here?

03:22:54.640 Who makes the determination?

03:22:56.500 The universe.

03:22:56.820 And how does the universe know?

03:22:59.200 By what metric does the universe judge?

03:23:02.740 I put the energy out there and the universe decides to do what they want to do with it.

03:23:06.360 I never specifically asked for my ex to be put off a building.

03:23:09.360 I said, I want justice and I want him.

03:23:11.820 I need something to be done so that he stops hurting women.

03:23:14.880 And he fell off a building.

03:23:16.080 I never asked for him to fall off a building.

03:23:17.960 That was what happened.

03:23:20.580 Okay.

03:23:21.180 Cause and effect.

03:23:22.520 Well, we can come back to some of that stuff a little later.

03:23:24.900 You said, yes, I'm currently dating a famous rapper.

03:23:27.360 We're polyamorous.

03:23:29.440 Yeah.

03:23:29.960 You can talk about our connection.

03:23:31.280 I've so famous rapper.

03:23:34.140 Are you at liberty to?

03:23:36.820 I don't think me and him are at a place where we want to like publicize stuff.

03:23:40.900 Okay.

03:23:41.260 But yeah.

03:23:42.360 How big is his following?

03:23:45.220 About 2 million over all platforms.

03:23:48.160 He's signed to Republic Records.

03:23:49.920 2 million collectively?

03:23:51.680 Yeah.

03:23:51.960 I think he has like 1.3 over TikTok and like 700K on Instagram.

03:23:56.560 Okay.

03:23:56.960 Roughly.

03:23:57.280 And when you say polyamorous, so you're seeing other people and he's seeing other people.

03:24:03.520 We had it set up when we first started talking where he could see other girls.

03:24:07.340 But then we did decide to kind of make things a bit more exclusive just because we are long distance right now.

03:24:13.420 And I kind of want to wait until we're in the same city before I would feel comfortable with him seeing other women.

03:24:20.000 But he's fully supportive of me dating, talking, doing whatever I want with women.

03:24:24.820 He's like very, very supportive of that aspect of my life.

03:24:30.480 Okay.

03:24:31.920 Nick, just be careful with that, okay?

03:24:33.940 Yeah.

03:24:34.280 You saw what I was doing at the point.

03:24:36.420 Their almed meatball donated $200.

03:24:40.020 Absolutely hilarious.

03:24:41.120 All right.

03:24:43.540 Thank you, Mr. Meeple.

03:24:43.920 I appreciate it.

03:24:46.080 Appreciate it.

03:24:47.040 Thank you, Mr. Meeple.

03:24:48.820 Yo, send me a message on Instagram, man.

03:24:50.660 Good to see you back in the chat.

03:24:51.920 It's been a while.

03:24:53.440 Also, we'll get you, I think we've got to get you like legendary status on our Discord.

03:24:58.040 I think for people who've been like regular, and if you're not on our Discord, people who've been like regular contributors over the months, years, whatever,

03:25:05.840 we'll get you complimentary like Discord status.

03:25:09.600 So, shoot me a message on Instagram.

03:25:12.560 Yeah.

03:25:13.400 Your love spells, for example.

03:25:15.940 You put on that, like you can basically have someone fall in love with somebody else, correct?

03:25:21.140 Mm-hmm.

03:25:21.740 Do you not feel that's holding somebody against their well?

03:25:24.060 No.

03:25:24.360 So, how I have love spells set up is it's like an aphrodisiac.

03:25:27.880 So, for example, if I put a love spell on Justin Bieber, does that mean he's going to leave?

03:25:33.580 So, you spike their drink.

03:25:35.580 That's not what I'm saying.

03:25:36.940 Well, if it's an aphrodisiac, right?

03:25:38.900 You just like, bam, you spike your drink.

03:25:39.740 No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

03:25:41.800 I'm saying it's equivalent to wearing perfume.

03:25:45.240 It's not.

03:25:46.020 Here's the thing.

03:25:46.960 So, if I put a love spell on Justin Bieber, would he leave his wife for me?

03:25:51.340 Probably not.

03:25:52.040 Never say never, but probably not, right?

03:25:54.900 Because there's nothing to build on there.

03:25:56.360 So, witchcraft builds on the energy that is already there and already present.

03:25:59.920 So, in order for me to effectively cast a love spell on someone else, they already have to have a lot of feelings towards me.

03:26:06.300 And it's just going to naturally elevate that feeling and that communication and increase it.

03:26:10.840 Isn't it awful convenient to think, even from your own perspective, that you could not hex somebody who is famous nor give them a love spell which would actually move them towards the person who wanted them.

03:26:21.380 In this case, Justin Bieber, by saying, well, it's due to the energies of the universe rather than just the logical improbability that Justin Bieber is ever going to leave this really hot woman for this less hot nobody he doesn't know.

03:26:35.120 That's just improbable, right?

03:26:37.200 Yeah, you probably wouldn't leave her.

03:26:38.140 So, the thing is, is like...

03:26:39.700 I'm not sitting there and arguing that.

03:26:42.540 Well, so, I'm just saying, why should we assume that this in any way works and it's not just essentially you wanting to believe that it works?

03:26:52.820 Either all of my clients are liars or maybe there's something to it.

03:26:56.960 And even if what I do does not have any impact, it's not convinced, though, when I have hundreds and hundreds of women coming to me telling me that they have seen differences in their lives or working with me.

03:27:09.060 Well, do you think that maybe it's just because you put it out there for them so then they're making more effort towards that person?

03:27:15.240 I think that's a factor, yeah.

03:27:16.260 Like a placebo effect?

03:27:17.860 I think that there's a factor to that, yeah.

03:27:20.000 I think there's a factor.

03:27:21.080 I think people are paying you for a placebo for a placebo?

03:27:24.020 It's kind of the same concept as manifestation where if you don't put work towards something, it doesn't matter how well you manifest.

03:27:31.560 However, you can put a manifestation out there.

03:27:33.900 You still need to work towards that manifestation.

03:27:36.240 So, then you personally aren't actually doing something.

03:27:38.340 You're just like, hey, this has happened.

03:27:41.020 Now you can go do that.

03:27:42.140 I'm naturally...

03:27:43.140 I'm putting in the universe and now it's happened.

03:27:44.460 Essentially, yeah.

03:27:45.140 I'm building on the energy that's already present and already there.

03:27:48.560 Well, but on your website...

03:27:50.660 Mm-hmm.

03:27:54.060 Nick, could you pull it back up?

03:27:56.140 So, you offer a...

03:27:58.340 There's a section that says love spell.

03:28:02.140 Mm-hmm.

03:28:03.120 And I wasn't meaning that.

03:28:04.300 I was just generally asking.

03:28:05.700 I was genuinely curious.

03:28:07.740 No, you can ask as many questions.

03:28:09.100 It's the one just right next to it.

03:28:10.180 It's called love spell.

03:28:11.380 So, you can show it.

03:28:12.700 Pull it up.

03:28:13.560 Okay.

03:28:14.040 Pull up the site.

03:28:16.240 Okay.

03:28:16.740 So, click on love spell book today.

03:28:19.900 Custom love spell.

03:28:21.920 Love spell...

03:28:22.680 Actually, wait.

03:28:23.240 Hold on.

03:28:23.540 Before on that previous time, it just says...

03:28:27.460 So, sorry.

03:28:28.360 Go back, Nick.

03:28:29.120 Go back, Nick.

03:28:30.620 Okay.

03:28:31.640 No, you can show it.

03:28:32.360 You can show it going back.

03:28:34.380 Well, I can hit the arrow.

03:28:37.200 Oh.

03:28:37.740 There should be a button on the mouse that's like a back button.

03:28:42.420 Okay.

03:28:45.440 Okay.

03:28:47.840 Well, can you scroll back down to it, please?

03:28:50.720 Okay.

03:28:51.040 Okay.

03:28:51.600 So, it says get the love life of your dreams.

03:28:55.780 But that...

03:28:56.080 I mean, that seems like a bit bigger of a representation than just...

03:28:59.960 It already elevates an existing thing.

03:29:03.220 But then it also says love spells increase...

03:29:06.580 Oh, can you click on it?

03:29:09.060 Yeah.

03:29:09.420 Love spells?

03:29:10.140 Yeah.

03:29:13.020 Love spells increase communication, emotion, and will aid in helping you get your specific

03:29:17.120 person and love life you deserve.

03:29:18.920 If there's a third party involved...

03:29:21.500 Okay.

03:29:21.720 Spells get done within a week.

03:29:24.220 Book if you want more communication, are in no contact, want an ex back, want them

03:29:29.940 to desire and think of you more.

03:29:32.600 Well, no contact...

03:29:35.800 Where's the building on?

03:29:37.880 On that?

03:29:38.460 Would seem to indicate that...

03:29:39.580 On the prior connection.

03:29:41.280 That they don't want?

03:29:42.460 Do you ever...

03:29:43.560 If they don't want it, then they're not going to come back.

03:29:45.980 It doesn't matter.

03:29:46.940 You can cast a hundred different spells if that person has no intention of coming back.

03:29:52.120 But it's kind of like a thing of like, it's more me getting a little...

03:29:54.500 But why pay for it?

03:29:55.940 Yeah, exactly.

03:29:56.040 Yeah, do you give a refund if it doesn't happen?

03:29:57.540 If they want you, why the need for the love spell?

03:30:02.260 Because it adds to the energy that's already there.

03:30:04.480 But then you're taking somebody else's free will away.

03:30:07.300 But then if I'm right, you're not taking that.

03:30:09.320 How is there even energy there?

03:30:11.460 If they don't want that contact, that means they don't want that contact.

03:30:14.380 That means they don't want that.

03:30:15.800 Well, there's a lot of different situations why two people could be no contact.

03:30:19.040 And it doesn't necessarily mean that both parties never want to talk to each other again.

03:30:22.240 And don't want contact.

03:30:23.700 I have a question.

03:30:24.600 So let's say a girl, like the guy is like hesitant to get intimate.

03:30:29.920 But he likes her.

03:30:30.880 She likes him.

03:30:31.600 And they're like, okay, she likes her.

03:30:39.140 Sorry.

03:30:39.720 He likes her.

03:30:40.760 She likes him.

03:30:42.360 I don't think we should be off.

03:30:43.920 Okay.

03:30:45.100 Take my hands on my popcorn.

03:30:46.580 All right.

03:30:48.160 Be okay.

03:30:48.800 I shouldn't eat.

03:30:49.500 So he likes her.

03:30:51.860 She likes him.

03:30:53.360 He's maybe been a little hesitant to get intimate, right?

03:30:57.760 But he likes her.

03:30:59.240 And the girl wants, like, she's thirsting for this dude.

03:31:03.440 She's down bad.

03:31:04.620 Wants a ring on it.

03:31:05.380 No, she wants to fuck, right?

03:31:08.240 Would you cast a spell to further along the sex?

03:31:14.040 Probably not.

03:31:14.920 I don't really like getting into that kind of situation.

03:31:17.500 That sounds a little, I don't really want to be involved.

03:31:20.540 But that's the connection.

03:31:22.000 She wants the intimacy.

03:31:23.440 Yeah.

03:31:24.340 I would build off of the emotion that's already there.

03:31:27.340 I would, yeah, maybe throw a little bit of energy towards what she's asking for.

03:31:32.660 But, yeah, I've never been asked to do that personally.

03:31:38.500 Do you send people proofs that you actually did the spell?

03:31:41.320 Yeah.

03:31:41.940 How?

03:31:42.440 I take photos and videos of the spell.

03:31:44.940 And then I send it to the client.

03:31:46.240 And then I have them update me, tell me how things are going.

03:31:50.360 And then from there, we can develop a plan.

03:31:52.920 Because, I mean, it occurs to me that you could sell a spell and then just never do the spell.

03:31:56.860 And then, you know, they could just say, hey.

03:32:00.640 That's what I was going to ask.

03:32:01.480 They could just say, hey, I have this result.

03:32:03.760 And you're like, awesome, sucker.

03:32:05.620 Right?

03:32:06.540 Yeah.

03:32:06.940 I mean, I don't do that.

03:32:08.200 But I guess I could.

03:32:09.000 If it doesn't work, can they get a refund?

03:32:10.340 No, but I have it stated that it's not 100% guarantee.

03:32:14.320 Because I can never 100% guarantee results.

03:32:16.480 What I'm doing is not an exact science.

03:32:18.740 If it was an exact science, it wouldn't be witchcraft.

03:32:22.580 And people know that when they book with me.

03:32:25.040 And they're okay with that.

03:32:26.400 Oh, fair.

03:32:26.880 No, no, no.

03:32:27.140 It's just increasing the likelihood of something happening.

03:32:29.940 No, no.

03:32:30.160 It's not like 100% guarantee if that makes sense.

03:32:31.960 No, no.

03:32:32.060 Yeah, yeah.

03:32:33.420 Thank you for asking.

03:32:34.560 Yeah.

03:32:34.840 No, just curious.

03:32:35.600 Yeah.

03:32:35.720 So you've said you dated a huge drug dealer when you were 16?

03:32:39.220 Yeah.

03:32:39.940 What kind of drugs was he dealing?

03:32:42.220 Coke.

03:32:43.140 Okay.

03:32:44.520 Weed.

03:32:45.140 Yeah.

03:32:45.560 You said you've been in extremely toxic relationships.

03:32:48.740 Yeah.

03:32:49.060 If you don't mind speaking on it.

03:32:50.020 I think we maybe have spoken on them a little bit.

03:32:52.440 Yeah.

03:32:52.760 You've had sugar daddies.

03:32:54.140 Yeah.

03:32:54.920 Do you currently have a sugar daddy?

03:32:56.300 No.

03:32:57.700 No.

03:32:58.340 I had two sugar daddies and I cut them off when I started getting more serious with my current relationship.

03:33:04.300 How many sugar daddies total have you had?

03:33:07.580 Probably like four or six around that.

03:33:11.260 Yeah.

03:33:11.760 Okay.

03:33:12.160 Yeah.

03:33:13.020 And what were the ways in which they were giving you sugar or giving you money?

03:33:19.320 I don't know if that's the right.

03:33:21.020 Well, I did have to do a lot of things when I was like 16 because I was like homeless.

03:33:26.560 I don't want to get into that.

03:33:28.040 But I'm not going to get into that.

03:33:29.080 But the other two that I had recently were one actually bought a love spell from my website,

03:33:37.860 hit me up, and I was like, okay, send a photo of the person you want me to put a love spell on.

03:33:41.980 And they sent a picture of me.

03:33:43.680 And then I was just like, okay, I'm not casting this, but hi, what's up?

03:33:49.120 And then they just bought me a lot of rave clothes and stuff like that.

03:33:52.980 They bought me a lot of different outfits, stuff like that.

03:33:55.480 Did any of your sugar daddies ever just send you money?

03:33:58.820 Yeah.

03:33:59.560 200 bucks.

03:34:00.520 100 bucks, 200 here and there.

03:34:02.220 I had one guy who would play 8-ball over iMessage.

03:34:05.800 This is kind of fucked up.

03:34:06.980 I was like 17.

03:34:08.440 No, I was like 19.

03:34:10.100 Yeah, 19.

03:34:12.220 When I lost, I'd have to send him nudes.

03:34:14.500 I just would go to Pornhub and I would just screenshot and crop out the face and I would just send it.

03:34:19.800 And I got a lot of money off of him doing that.

03:34:22.820 And I'm not necessarily proud of it.

03:34:24.300 Yeah, it was like a really, I'm not proud of it.

03:34:28.020 I'm not sitting here and being like, wow, that was a great thing for me to do.

03:34:31.520 I've heard that story.

03:34:32.200 By the way, Dern Dolls, thank you for the gift of 10 subs.

03:34:36.060 Okay, so any other girls here had a sugar daddy before?

03:34:41.060 Any sugar daddies?

03:34:41.960 You've had a sugar daddy, right?

03:34:45.700 No, actually.

03:34:47.240 I'm sorry.

03:34:48.120 If you're going to speak, you've got to scoot into the table.

03:34:50.360 You've got to do it into the mic.

03:34:51.820 No, I haven't.

03:34:52.640 I just started doing all this, but just set work and OF.

03:34:59.560 Okay.

03:35:02.740 Life on easy mode?

03:35:04.580 Sugar daddies?

03:35:06.920 I don't think there's a lot of male wizards, like 23-year-old male wizards who are just racking in like female sugar daddies, you know?

03:35:16.820 Yeah.

03:35:18.020 Yeah.

03:35:18.380 You guys both scoot in?

03:35:19.740 Yeah.

03:35:20.060 Warlocks.

03:35:20.620 Yeah, I got you.

03:35:21.680 Oh, warlocks, excuse me.

03:35:23.680 How long were you in the high-demand Lutheran religion, like when you were younger?

03:35:29.060 Like when did, because when did that, when did your parents or family get out of that?

03:35:33.620 Um, I think I was about 13 when I convinced them to like go to a non-denominational, and then we were Christian for like a few years.

03:35:43.260 I think I fell out of Christianity probably when I was around like 15, I want to say.

03:35:49.520 Um, I was atheist for a little bit.

03:35:52.160 My dad's never been religious.

03:35:53.740 My mom's like an avid.

03:35:55.220 I think she's still Christian.

03:35:56.640 I don't really know.

03:35:57.440 We're not in contact, but yeah.

03:35:58.800 And how long have you been doing what you're doing now?

03:36:00.600 Um, about four years.

03:36:02.240 Yeah.

03:36:02.820 I, well, I found spirituality, um, when I was like 19.

03:36:07.260 So I've been practicing spirituality, witchcraft itself about three years.

03:36:10.600 Yeah.

03:36:12.280 I started with like manifesting and that kind of stuff.

03:36:14.360 You said that your ex-girlfriend was a DJ who put you in psychosis.

03:36:17.660 Yes.

03:36:18.560 What does that mean?

03:36:19.700 So that was why I kind of got into spirituality.

03:36:23.080 I was dating this girl and I was like so in love with her and we broke up and she told

03:36:29.640 me like, okay, if you really work on yourself, we might get back together.

03:36:33.520 She was super into something called star seeds and it's like the belief where you're an alien.

03:36:39.140 No, it's not the belief you're an alien.

03:36:40.400 It's a belief that you reincarnated from like other planets.

03:36:43.360 Nope.

03:36:43.520 It's not even that.

03:36:44.180 It's close.

03:36:45.180 What would you consider the star seed belief?

03:36:47.040 Cause that's how she's, uh, described it.

03:36:49.020 And that was my experience.

03:36:50.280 Star seeds are, um, an impacting of alien consciousness into directly into a human being.

03:36:55.780 Yeah.

03:36:56.400 So you are born the seed of the stars.

03:36:59.660 Right.

03:37:00.140 Okay.

03:37:00.540 But that's why, of course, they can't match up DNA or things like this because it's all

03:37:05.260 consciousness bullshit.

03:37:07.280 Right.

03:37:07.840 So I, she got me heavily, heavily down that pipeline, down the twin flame pipeline as well

03:37:14.220 too.

03:37:15.160 Um, and it was during like 2020 as well too.

03:37:18.820 So everyone was stuck inside.

03:37:20.860 Um, so I just really got fueled.

03:37:23.560 So you guys were just playing like a big game of who can believe the craziest esoteric bullshit

03:37:27.860 or what?

03:37:28.580 Yeah.

03:37:28.980 I was really in love with her.

03:37:30.460 Um, so I was really, I was, I was literally.

03:37:33.440 How did you, so wait, so you were in love with an alien?

03:37:36.580 I guess.

03:37:37.360 Well, you wrote in your notes, convinced me I was an alien who needed to raise the vibes.

03:37:41.980 Yeah.

03:37:42.300 Oh.

03:37:42.880 And then, but how, so when you say you went into psychosis, were you like 5150?

03:37:47.480 Were you, were you, were you an alpha centurion?

03:37:49.540 I didn't get, um, but I went in, wait, I'm sorry.

03:37:52.480 I got asked who that was.

03:37:53.100 Alpha centurion?

03:37:55.020 Draconian?

03:37:55.820 Um, God, I'm trying to remember which one I think.

03:37:59.720 Yeah.

03:38:00.160 I'm trying to think of which one I identified as.

03:38:02.840 I'm not, which one's the one that starts with an L?

03:38:05.500 Lee, there's like a lipper.

03:38:07.360 I don't know what they are.

03:38:08.500 Um, cause I'm, I don't identify with that belief system anymore, but I was real deep into

03:38:14.360 it in 2020.

03:38:15.440 Um, it was more of the twin flame pipeline that fucked me up.

03:38:19.880 I just was willing to believe anything to be back with this girl.

03:38:24.240 The whole twin flame thing.

03:38:25.080 You said she put you into psychosis though.

03:38:26.900 What does that mean?

03:38:28.100 She, I got sent into psychosis based off the whole situation.

03:38:32.940 She pushed those beliefs onto me.

03:38:36.700 Um, it was just a really, really like toxic situation.

03:38:39.600 And I ended up spiraling really, really badly, um, based on those belief systems.

03:38:44.340 So I guess it's more, I guess I should have worded it better.

03:38:47.000 She didn't necessarily put me in psychosis.

03:38:48.780 It was more of the belief system, but that dynamic that me and her had put me into psychosis

03:38:53.640 for a brief moment of time.

03:38:56.040 Okay.

03:38:56.400 Uh, it took me a while to like really find myself again after that whole situation.

03:39:00.920 All right.

03:39:01.580 You said after we broke up, I ended up working for a work cult to try and get her back.

03:39:07.640 You did not get back together, but it's a great story.

03:39:10.360 Can you give us the very brief story of the work cult?

03:39:13.780 So there is this, uh, it's, it's MLM and basically they set up stores outside of stores and they

03:39:22.320 ask money for, um, I can't say the word sewer slide prevention.

03:39:27.600 Um, a lot of the people that set stuff booths out outside of stores, they're working for

03:39:34.200 marketing companies.

03:39:35.060 They're not working for the nonprofits themselves.

03:39:37.940 I got sucked into that.

03:39:40.100 It's very like a work cult environment.

03:39:42.780 Um, your entire life has to be about this job.

03:39:46.020 Your entire life has to be about serving them.

03:39:48.300 They isolate you from your friends.

03:39:50.140 They isolate you from your family.

03:39:51.760 So I got really wrapped into that situation.

03:39:55.540 They really got into me.

03:39:56.880 They knew that my weak point was my ex-girlfriend.

03:39:59.780 And so they convinced me, they were like, if you work really hard, you can come back and

03:40:03.700 you can support her.

03:40:05.400 You can, this is the only way that you're going to be able to get back together with

03:40:08.820 her essentially.

03:40:09.940 Drink the Kool-Aid.

03:40:10.880 Yeah.

03:40:11.220 I drink the Kool-Aid.

03:40:12.360 Um, I mean, I grew up in Kool-Aid drinking with you.

03:40:15.240 Yeah.

03:40:15.660 I, um, grew up in a cult.

03:40:18.560 So isn't that kind of what you're doing though?

03:40:21.400 I don't know when you cast the spells, like-

03:40:24.300 Hexes?

03:40:25.280 Yeah.

03:40:25.580 Sorry.

03:40:26.060 Hexes.

03:40:26.520 How is that equivalent to being in a cult?

03:40:28.940 Oh, no.

03:40:29.480 I don't mean the cult part.

03:40:30.880 I mean like, uh, you're making something happen.

03:40:35.780 Or so, you know, you think you're making something happen, but you think that you were manipulated

03:40:42.420 because this person lied to you and said, um, we might be getting back together.

03:40:48.920 But you're also telling people when they pay you to do the hex, you don't know for sure,

03:40:53.160 but you're telling them, uh, you guys might get back together.

03:40:56.780 Yeah.

03:40:56.920 It's never a hundred percent guarantee.

03:40:58.280 And I say that right off the bat.

03:41:00.300 Um, I also do, I also do not push an idol and the ideology of like twin flame.

03:41:07.240 Cause it's like, it's very, very, very toxic.

03:41:10.100 Twin flame is very toxic.

03:41:11.200 The, the twin flame.

03:41:12.520 It's so toxic.

03:41:13.780 And the star seed, it's so toxic.

03:41:16.820 It's, it's so, so toxic and it sucks people in and it really does destroy a lot of lives.

03:41:23.560 I don't know if you guys have seen it.

03:41:24.900 It sucks.

03:41:25.640 It sucks.

03:41:26.480 Um, yeah.

03:41:28.420 So if you guys don't know, there's a documentary that they made on, uh, two people that started

03:41:34.000 an entire cult base off of the twin flame belief, because it really does have an impact on a

03:41:39.160 lot of different people.

03:41:40.320 Um, but primarily when you grow up in an environment where you're conditioned to certain beliefs,

03:41:46.100 your red flags aren't going off.

03:41:48.440 So yeah, it's really not surprising that I was involved in kind of a work hole considering

03:41:55.720 my background and considering how I was raised.

03:41:58.000 Because I wasn't raised to believe, oh, this is a red flag.

03:42:01.740 Giovanni C says, ask which girl monogamous relationships definitionally have more value

03:42:06.280 because the exclusive nature of it is inherently, inherently valuable.

03:42:11.300 You don't have multiple relationships.

03:42:13.240 You have zero.

03:42:14.480 Your man's a cuck.

03:42:15.560 He's a cuck.

03:42:17.080 Definitely not a cuck.

03:42:19.460 He just wants to see me happy.

03:42:20.980 Will he let you sleep with other men?

03:42:22.780 No.

03:42:22.960 That's a cuck.

03:42:23.540 Has he ever let you sleep with other men?

03:42:25.060 No.

03:42:25.300 He doesn't have control over my body, but he would feel very, very upset if I slept

03:42:31.360 with a man.

03:42:32.020 So out of respect to him, I would not sleep with another man.

03:42:35.020 Would you, would you say though that a man who allowed his woman on purpose to sleep with

03:42:41.400 other men is a cuck?

03:42:44.020 Yeah.

03:42:44.380 I think that's a kink that people fall into.

03:42:46.940 That's not what I asked.

03:42:47.660 Being polyamorous and being a cuck are like two separate things.

03:42:51.460 No, I don't think so.

03:42:52.760 Yeah.

03:42:52.980 Because cuck is like it's doing in front of you.

03:42:56.140 Polyamory is more nuanced than that.

03:42:57.980 If somebody allows their significant other to sleep with other people.

03:43:04.200 For their own gratification.

03:43:05.840 For their own gratification.

03:43:07.040 In this case, you're happy gratification.

03:43:09.620 How are they not a cuck?

03:43:11.680 I would never call my man a cuck.

03:43:14.000 I would just never say that about him because he's not.

03:43:16.380 I didn't say that he was.

03:43:17.780 I said, this, so this is what, see, I think there's something strange about this conversation

03:43:22.820 because I asked, is he?

03:43:25.500 He said, no.

03:43:26.460 I said, have you ever slept with other, or slept with other men then?

03:43:29.420 You say, no.

03:43:30.920 But then when I get to the definition of what a cuck is, you're not willing to commit to

03:43:33.700 it because I'm, I'm wondering if he actually does fall under this idea.

03:43:39.080 I have a different definition.

03:43:39.100 Because I, in my personal definition, a cuck is, it's happening right in front of you and

03:43:43.680 they're involved.

03:43:43.760 Why does it need to be in front of you?

03:43:44.920 Because it's kink based.

03:43:45.740 Nope, the root word of cuck, the root word of cuck was based around the idea of the cuckold

03:43:50.760 bird.

03:43:51.440 So here's what would have happened.

03:43:53.060 The bird would go in, it would lay their eggs unbeknownst to the male, and then the male

03:43:59.560 is then taking care of the eggs, the offspring.

03:44:02.500 Unbeknownst to him, that is not his offspring.

03:44:04.940 Okay.

03:44:05.600 So the idea here is all about offspring.

03:44:09.220 So the idea is if you're sleeping with other men, period.

03:44:13.080 Right.

03:44:13.520 He's a cuckold.

03:44:14.460 Right.

03:44:14.680 I'm not sleeping with other men.

03:44:15.880 Right.

03:44:16.200 So I don't know if they would consider that.

03:44:16.840 So would you, okay, that's fine, but would you agree with my definition that that is

03:44:20.440 what a cuckold is?

03:44:21.940 Sure.

03:44:22.360 I had a different definition, but I guess that I'm not, I'm not super educated on like

03:44:27.460 that kind of uncuckold degree.

03:44:29.240 But that's what it is.

03:44:29.900 That's not, that's not.

03:44:30.660 That's what it is.

03:44:30.980 So there's, there are people.

03:44:32.500 It's like polyamorous, right?

03:44:32.900 So I'll agree with you.

03:44:33.580 Yeah, I identify with polyamory.

03:44:35.060 I'm very new to polyamory.

03:44:36.280 They are cuckolded against their will.

03:44:38.960 Okay.

03:44:39.480 For sure.

03:44:40.340 There are men who are cuckolded against their will, meaning wife, significant other goes

03:44:44.320 out, sleeps with other men.

03:44:45.940 That is cuckold tree.

03:44:47.400 Oh, okay.

03:44:48.080 Okay.

03:44:48.380 Yeah.

03:44:48.520 I guess I just had a different definition of it.

03:44:50.140 Yeah.

03:44:50.300 And then also men who allow their woman to sleep with other men, also cuckold tree.

03:44:55.780 There's multiple ways in which cuckold trees apply.

03:44:58.940 Okay.

03:45:00.340 Okay.

03:45:00.860 Yeah.

03:45:01.120 I just had a different definition of it.

03:45:01.980 Yeah.

03:45:02.080 Does he sleep with other women?

03:45:04.120 He's allowed to.

03:45:05.060 We, we made things exclusive about two months ago.

03:45:08.260 So for right now, we're keeping it closed.

03:45:10.460 But when we live in the same city, I'm honestly okay with him seeing other women, um, as long

03:45:17.060 as it's not having a detrimental effect on our connection.

03:45:19.760 But that's just me personally.

03:45:21.000 I understand it's not for everyone.

03:45:22.660 You said that you're new to polyamory.

03:45:24.380 How new?

03:45:24.740 Um, this is technically my first polyamorous connection.

03:45:29.700 I've always kind of wanted to explore it, but I've never had the opportunity.

03:45:33.840 I've always been with people who are very monogamous.

03:45:36.560 No, I don't want to even explore that.

03:45:38.860 So this is my first like experience really exploring.

03:45:41.360 Polyamory is actually like built relationships with multiple people.

03:45:44.780 Mm-hmm.

03:45:45.520 With sleeping with other people, that, that's just like kind of swinging.

03:45:47.880 Mm-hmm.

03:45:48.200 Oh, I want a, I want a girlfriend.

03:45:50.060 Unless somebody, unless somebody has an own, I have to move along.

03:45:52.440 So is there an own coming?

03:45:53.760 I just wanted to.

03:45:54.320 I'm sorry.

03:45:54.740 I just am curious with your history of constantly being in cults and seemingly, and my heart

03:46:00.860 hurts for you truly, like hearing these bad things that have happened in your life.

03:46:04.120 Have you stopped to question the move that you've made into polyamory when you've constantly

03:46:08.640 made poor decisions about cults and cult-like things?

03:46:12.460 Yeah.

03:46:12.780 How do you not see a red flag in this movie here?

03:46:16.120 Because I don't think joining a cult is the same thing as being in a polyamorous connection.

03:46:20.680 Did you think any of the cults you joined were cults though?

03:46:22.780 Um, no.

03:46:25.380 And the first one I didn't join, I was born into it.

03:46:28.100 That was me, yeah.

03:46:29.800 But how is, polyamory is not a cult though.

03:46:32.660 Any, it's.

03:46:34.320 Wouldn't you say, wouldn't you say any ideology which is foisted on you as being good for you

03:46:41.040 and isolating you is cultish?

03:46:43.960 Mm-hmm.

03:46:44.200 I'm not being isolated by polyamory.

03:46:46.560 No?

03:46:47.100 No.

03:46:47.680 My relationship is not isolated.

03:46:49.720 He's actually like.

03:46:50.660 Yeah, I'm not sure that I would consider it a cult either.

03:46:52.580 Of very old relationship.

03:46:53.460 I'm just pointing out that.

03:46:54.720 Yeah.

03:46:55.620 Wow.

03:46:55.900 Okay, so that, I mean, that's the extent of your notes.

03:46:59.160 I guess the last thing here, I noticed the shirt that you're wearing.

03:47:03.720 Could you, do you care to explain?

03:47:05.920 I just thought it would be funny.

03:47:07.760 Um, my friend who wanted me, who wanted to come on here, she watched a couple clips and

03:47:12.780 she was like, I'm not going on that podcast.

03:47:14.660 I don't like them.

03:47:15.360 I don't agree with them.

03:47:16.180 The only way I want you to go on this podcast.

03:47:19.220 She, she, she made a deal with me and it's like, it's not because she has control over

03:47:22.780 me, but she was like, I'll only allow you to go on that podcast if you wear the shirt

03:47:27.340 that I buy you.

03:47:28.080 And I was like, okay.

03:47:28.800 But that's not control?

03:47:30.360 No, because it's a joke.

03:47:31.300 She wouldn't actually, she wouldn't actually keep me from going on the podcast.

03:47:34.200 Well, right.

03:47:34.400 But you wore the shirt, so.

03:47:35.560 Yeah.

03:47:35.740 Yeah, so that's the explanation as to how you came to be wearing the shirt.

03:47:40.040 Yeah, I just thought it was funny.

03:47:41.100 Not really, not really interested in that.

03:47:42.660 More interested in actually exploring, uh, what it's trying to communicate.

03:47:46.360 Um, so, uh, is that your position?

03:47:50.960 No, not necessarily.

03:47:52.720 I just thought it was funny to wear.

03:47:54.180 It's not your position?

03:47:55.400 No, I don't think we should ban free speech in general.

03:47:57.780 I think everyone should have the opinion.

03:47:59.760 I do think there is considerably too many podcasts.

03:48:03.580 I think that a lot of people buy a microphone and then start a podcast.

03:48:08.400 What's wrong with that?

03:48:09.380 I guess there's nothing wrong with it.

03:48:10.780 It's just, it's very oversaturated.

03:48:12.840 What would, if your friend was here?

03:48:14.560 I mean, they wait.

03:48:14.960 I am on a podcast.

03:48:15.500 They wait, it's just like everything else in the market.

03:48:17.840 Yeah.

03:48:18.200 They weed themselves out.

03:48:19.760 So, yeah.

03:48:20.560 The best rise up and then everybody else just kind of goes by the wayside.

03:48:24.860 Yeah.

03:48:25.720 Well, so, it seems like your friend perhaps has more objections than you do.

03:48:31.480 Uh, I suppose if she was here, what would she say?

03:48:34.840 About what topic?

03:48:36.140 About banning mail podcasts.

03:48:37.640 About banning the podcast.

03:48:38.780 You said, or she said something along the lines of, I'm not going to go on that podcast because...

03:48:44.500 She's very misandrist, I would say, overall.

03:48:48.380 She's like very, very...

03:48:49.720 And you're best friends with her?

03:48:50.900 Yeah.

03:48:51.240 Best friends with them, misandrist?

03:48:52.840 Yeah.

03:48:53.400 Do you consider yourself misandrist in any capacity?

03:48:56.220 No.

03:48:56.840 I think we disagree on a couple of topics.

03:48:58.960 I think it's okay to disagree with your friends on certain topics.

03:49:01.440 Well, I suppose, but, um...

03:49:04.260 But, I don't know.

03:49:05.220 I have a lot of very negative...

03:49:09.280 She's your best friend.

03:49:10.140 I have very, very negative...

03:49:11.980 Why?

03:49:12.640 Very, very negative experiences with men.

03:49:16.700 She's had extremely negative experiences with men.

03:49:19.080 And I think that she's reacting to a lot of the experiences that she's had.

03:49:24.780 And it's not my place to sit here and tell her her beliefs.

03:49:28.920 Right.

03:49:29.420 Let me ask you a question.

03:49:30.980 So...

03:49:31.260 I just want to make sure I get this right.

03:49:33.360 Just real quick.

03:49:34.600 Mm-hmm.

03:49:35.500 Can you tell me what a misandrist is?

03:49:38.000 She does not like men.

03:49:40.140 Just hates them?

03:49:40.880 Yeah.

03:49:41.260 Okay.

03:49:41.560 And you don't fall under that boat?

03:49:42.940 No.

03:49:44.140 At all?

03:49:44.320 No, I love my man.

03:49:48.380 Mm-hmm.

03:49:48.780 I'm very deeply in love...

03:49:50.140 I've never loved a man like this before, though.

03:49:52.400 I honestly thought I was a lesbian before I met him.

03:49:54.720 I will say that.

03:49:57.260 And I do really, really love him.

03:49:59.520 I definitely do have, like, a bias towards men where I do feel a lot more unsafe in the

03:50:05.920 presence of a man than a woman, necessarily.

03:50:07.860 But that's based on my personal experience and my personal bias.

03:50:11.340 Okay.

03:50:11.780 Yeah.

03:50:11.980 But I don't hate all men.

03:50:14.620 I don't hate anyone.

03:50:15.520 I just don't really harbor hate, necessarily.

03:50:18.940 Is there something specific...

03:50:20.060 I mean, other than your experiences with these certain men, is there something that, as a

03:50:26.740 men as a whole, that you, I guess, hold to a lower standard?

03:50:32.780 I mean, I think men...

03:50:34.100 That makes you feel unsafe or less safe?

03:50:37.480 Yeah, I mean, I think...

03:50:38.420 Coming from someone who's been assaulted.

03:50:39.560 Yeah, yeah.

03:50:39.960 I mean, so, a lot of the time, women are very, very dismissed when they are assaulted and

03:50:46.280 when something negative happens to them.

03:50:48.140 They are often not believed.

03:50:50.260 And I'm not even...

03:50:51.120 Not even women.

03:50:52.000 Let me just say that.

03:50:53.020 Let me just preface that.

03:50:54.600 Victims, in general, oftentimes are not believed.

03:50:59.520 I would say that.

03:51:00.260 And I think that's a very, very big problem.

03:51:04.360 I would also say that, although there is a lot of, like, domestic violence cases and

03:51:09.800 lesbian relationships, I do...

03:51:11.620 I am nuanced on...

03:51:12.700 I am educated on that.

03:51:15.060 A lot of women that are in DV situations don't survive.

03:51:19.080 There's a lot of women that get killed.

03:51:21.680 And there's a lot of women that experience DV from a male partner.

03:51:27.780 But how does that generalize on all men?

03:51:31.680 I don't generalize it as all men are evil.

03:51:34.740 I generalize it as if a man is walking down the street, I'm going to feel considerably

03:51:39.060 less safe than if a woman's walking down the street.

03:51:41.560 Because the likelihood of me getting attacked by a man is higher.

03:51:46.720 And the likelihood of me surviving an attack from a woman is considerably also higher.

03:51:52.140 The likelihood of me surviving an attack...

03:51:53.860 If you attacked me, I'm probably not winning.

03:51:57.060 If you attacked me, we maybe...

03:51:59.380 We can maybe tussle, you know?

03:52:00.520 No, you beat the crap out of me.

03:52:01.340 It's all good.

03:52:02.060 I don't know.

03:52:03.700 I don't know.

03:52:04.340 But I would have a better chance at defending myself against a woman than a man overall.

03:52:09.620 So you said that...

03:52:10.140 It's just the perception of that.

03:52:11.760 Yeah.

03:52:12.240 You know...

03:52:12.660 It's like fear.

03:52:13.560 And I guess maybe it's trauma.

03:52:15.420 It's a lot of trauma and a lot of fear.

03:52:17.300 And I think a lot of women experience that.

03:52:19.560 And I think a lot of women feel very ashamed to speak out about it.

03:52:23.840 You said that your friend had bad experiences with men.

03:52:29.040 And this has made her perhaps have a bias against men because of her bad experiences.

03:52:36.760 You also said that because of what you know about men, you'd feel less safe around

03:52:41.520 them at night, for example, or if you're crossing the street.

03:52:45.120 I mean, one, will you at least acknowledge that while you may statistically, there may...

03:52:51.620 I'll just grant that there's basis for this.

03:52:53.720 Mm-hmm.

03:52:53.920 Is it still sexist to just, like, approach this, to approach things that way?

03:53:00.400 Is it sexist?

03:53:01.340 I think it's more of a survival instinct.

03:53:03.960 I think if you're...

03:53:04.700 Okay.

03:53:04.720 Well, but is it sexist?

03:53:07.180 Let's say it is a survival instinct.

03:53:09.140 Is it sexist?

03:53:10.500 No, I think it's a survival instinct.

03:53:12.400 So let's change men for...

03:53:14.800 To females.

03:53:15.700 For...

03:53:15.980 You're mostly with females.

03:53:17.820 Let me just...

03:53:18.240 Let me have the back and forth, please.

03:53:20.360 Yeah.

03:53:20.440 Yeah, go ahead.

03:53:23.120 Why don't we change it to race?

03:53:26.840 Mm-hmm.

03:53:27.140 So I had...

03:53:29.220 Speaking hypothetically here, if I had poor experiences with a member or a few members

03:53:35.200 of a racial group, and because of these poor experiences, I am now, in all instances, when

03:53:41.280 interacting with said racial group, I have hesitation, I feel uncomfortable, would this

03:53:46.920 be racist?

03:53:48.880 No.

03:53:49.860 Racism would be if you acted on it.

03:53:52.100 If you're not acting on it.

03:53:52.820 I am acting.

03:53:53.060 I'm avoiding communicating with them.

03:53:55.060 If I see, for example, you see three men coming at you at night, maybe you cross the street

03:54:01.840 to be on the other side of the street.

03:54:03.360 Right, right.

03:54:03.920 That would be acting on it, correct?

03:54:05.620 Yes.

03:54:06.120 Okay.

03:54:06.840 So if we just replace that scenario and we just put in black people, is it racist?

03:54:14.780 To cross the street and purposely avoid them?

03:54:17.280 Let's say it's two men and two women.

03:54:19.060 Based on your previous bad experiences.

03:54:20.860 Yeah.

03:54:21.460 Is that racist?

03:54:22.140 Yeah, I guess there could be arguments for that.

03:54:25.440 I would still say it's more trauma-based, more than anything.

03:54:28.680 What do you mean?

03:54:29.740 I think that what you're explaining to me sounds like it's very trauma-based.

03:54:33.140 Sure.

03:54:33.860 It could be trauma.

03:54:34.380 I think that a lot of people, there are people who do have preferences where they're

03:54:39.420 like, I cannot date people from this certain background because I have trauma with that

03:54:44.460 background and I think it's like a very gray topic for me because I'm like, I can see instances

03:54:50.800 where it could be considered racist and I could see instances.

03:54:55.400 Well, then you'd have to see it as being instances of sexism too.

03:54:58.800 Statistically, I am safer with a woman walking towards me than a man.

03:55:05.040 I really am because I'm, I have a physical.

03:55:07.840 Hold on.

03:55:08.980 Are you sure you want to get into crime statistics?

03:55:11.800 No, it's more about I have a physical advantage over a woman.

03:55:15.740 I don't have a physical advantage over a man.

03:55:19.100 Even though there's more domestic violence and lesbian relationships?

03:55:21.900 Yeah, but if we get into how many people survive domestic violence and how many people die from

03:55:30.400 domestic violence, I would say, I would assume a high amount of the women that are dying from

03:55:35.360 domestic violence, it's in cases with men because men have a higher likelihood of the

03:55:40.200 ability to kill you.

03:55:41.920 I do agree with that.

03:55:42.900 Yeah.

03:55:43.040 I agree with that statement.

03:55:43.840 Yeah.

03:55:43.980 So then wouldn't this be a good, wouldn't this also be a good analogy the other direction

03:55:48.800 to say that high profile men should avoid contact with women because the capacity for

03:55:54.760 that woman to destroy their life?

03:55:57.040 Sure.

03:55:57.800 Yeah.

03:55:58.040 Sure.

03:55:58.480 If that's, yeah, if that, yeah, I think my partner's pretty high profile and he's vetting

03:56:04.180 me out.

03:56:04.220 So if I were, let's say a successful, successful man who owned a factory, shouldn't my hiring

03:56:09.300 practices be tailored towards not women?

03:56:12.100 Well, there's laws against that.

03:56:14.940 Yeah.

03:56:15.120 So you legally couldn't do that.

03:56:16.580 That's not my question.

03:56:16.960 My question is by this logic, shouldn't my hiring practices not be tailored towards

03:56:23.420 women?

03:56:24.400 People do do that with their business though.

03:56:26.340 Yeah, I know.

03:56:26.900 But this is, yeah, that's an, that's a descriptor.

03:56:30.620 I know that they do.

03:56:32.060 I'm asking if they should based on this logic.

03:56:35.460 No.

03:56:36.620 Okay.

03:56:36.980 So then, but me not, me not giving an opportunity to someone versus me avoiding men is not the

03:56:44.920 same thing at all.

03:56:45.980 Same thing, given no opportunity.

03:56:47.960 What opportunity are they giving by me walking down a street here?

03:56:50.720 So what's going on here?

03:56:51.800 What opportunity are they giving?

03:56:52.580 Because you go, okay, there's three of you or even one of you, right?

03:56:55.340 Hello, man at night who's walking towards me.

03:56:58.040 You're not giving him the opportunity to demonstrate he's not going to do anything to you.

03:57:01.180 You're instead taking the choice.

03:57:03.380 I'm not even going to take the chance by crossing the street.

03:57:05.660 Right.

03:57:05.920 How would that logic not apply to the factory owner who doesn't want to hire women?

03:57:08.940 Because that's completely different.

03:57:11.440 He, that, that is giving a job and an opportunity to someone.

03:57:14.400 The opportunity I'm taking away from the man walking down the street is the opportunity

03:57:17.900 to harm me.

03:57:19.000 Yeah.

03:57:19.440 That's what they're doing.

03:57:21.060 They're taking away their opportunity to harm them.

03:57:24.040 Same thing.

03:57:24.840 I guess.

03:57:25.820 I would avoid anyone walking down the street, but I would especially avoid a man walking

03:57:29.960 down the street.

03:57:30.420 So then I would hire anybody, but I would especially hire men over women.

03:57:34.300 Okay.

03:57:34.900 And people do that.

03:57:35.980 But do you think they should?

03:57:38.720 I think you're entitled to do what you want to do if you're a business, although the law

03:57:42.800 would state that that is incorrect.

03:57:45.720 Yeah.

03:57:45.940 I know what the law would say.

03:57:47.480 I'm asking about.

03:57:49.940 Morally.

03:57:50.460 Morally.

03:57:50.780 I think you should be able to hire whoever you want to hire for your company.

03:57:54.760 It's your company.

03:57:55.580 So it's rational to you that if men said, we don't want to hire women because they pose

03:58:00.280 a greater threat to us just by them being in our vicinity.

03:58:03.400 That is their decision for their business.

03:58:06.040 However, that will have repercussions, obviously.

03:58:08.720 That's going to cause riots.

03:58:10.060 That's going to cause disagreements.

03:58:11.600 And that could be very detrimental.

03:58:13.220 Personally, from a business standpoint, I wouldn't recommend doing that because that's going to

03:58:17.840 have a negative impact on your business.

03:58:18.960 I mean, do you think if it were legal tomorrow for men to exclude women from jobs, if they owned

03:58:25.020 and do own these factories, don't you think that they would?

03:58:30.600 Some, maybe.

03:58:31.740 I don't think all would.

03:58:32.900 Why would all do that?

03:58:33.240 I'm not saying all.

03:58:34.120 I'm asking if a lot more would than now.

03:58:37.400 No.

03:58:38.300 Yeah, I think they would.

03:58:39.720 I think they would.

03:58:40.560 Why?

03:58:41.040 Because I don't think that they want the idea of women around who could potentially ruin

03:58:47.320 their life or damage their company through the fact that they can get false witness,

03:58:52.640 false allegations.

03:58:53.400 They kind of already do that, though.

03:58:55.020 Because the law says they have to.

03:58:57.580 Okay, here's the thing, though.

03:58:58.680 If I apply for a job, they can say, oh, we don't want to hire her for this reason, legally.

03:59:05.180 They could decide to not hire me because I'm a woman.

03:59:07.820 They just legally cannot say that.

03:59:09.640 That happens all the time.

03:59:11.480 It's like a very, very common issue.

03:59:13.320 But you forget the other side of the coin, which is the incentives, where they say you need

03:59:16.820 to have quotas, or X amount of your clientele needs to be female, or things like that.

03:59:21.040 There's those laws as well, affirmative action for women, which say you have to have X amount.

03:59:25.320 So the thing is, can you imagine if I made a law that said, well, you have to walk by X amount of wind.

03:59:30.560 You have to.

03:59:32.220 Even though your perception is they could hurt you.

03:59:35.240 You say, well, statistically, they probably wouldn't.

03:59:38.060 Would that be good enough for you?

03:59:38.980 Why would I take that chance?

03:59:40.260 Right.

03:59:40.760 That's my whole point.

03:59:41.880 Why would a man take that chance if he owned a factory?

03:59:44.420 Why would they take the chance?

03:59:45.860 Why wouldn't they just go, fuck that, I'm not doing that.

03:59:48.280 They really don't.

03:59:49.360 They don't take the chance a lot of the time.

03:59:51.020 This is like a big issue.

03:59:52.220 Unless they're forced by law.

03:59:54.460 Yeah.

03:59:54.820 And even then, there's still ways around it.

03:59:57.260 People always find ways around it.

03:59:58.480 Yeah, but it's not as easy.

03:59:59.900 You could be penalized.

04:00:00.880 Companies are penalized.

04:00:02.060 Yeah.

04:00:02.520 Problems which happen.

04:00:03.920 But you can imagine.

04:00:04.520 Why they decide not to.

04:00:05.600 I don't get penalized for not walking by a man across the street.

04:00:08.640 I don't have any repercussions for that.

04:00:10.380 My point is, imagine if we had a law that said you would get penalized if you didn't walk by X amount of men on the street.

04:00:16.140 Wouldn't you ignore the law?

04:00:17.460 Yeah, I would.

04:00:18.400 Yeah.

04:00:18.940 And that's why I think that men are justified in ignoring a law saying that they should hire women if they don't want to.

04:00:24.240 Okay.

04:00:24.800 I am fine with that.

04:00:26.100 I'm not hired by a man.

04:00:27.420 I believe women should work for themselves.

04:00:30.160 I fully support women.

04:00:31.860 Well, I mean, not every woman is going to be able to do hexagrams and shit on people, right?

04:00:36.140 No, but I fully support women-owned businesses because I think we need more of them.

04:00:43.200 Should we give incentives for that?

04:00:45.780 Make laws tailored towards that?

04:00:47.960 Not necessarily, no.

04:00:49.460 But I think we can advocate for that.

04:00:51.680 And I think I personally boost brands and boost content creators that are women for that exact.

04:00:59.300 Because I want to give them that opportunity.

04:01:01.780 I want to give them that platform.

04:01:02.800 But you don't think that there should be laws that force men to hire women, right?

04:01:07.720 That's all bad, right?

04:01:10.040 Because they're just protecting themselves by your logic, right?

04:01:13.420 I don't think that it's the same thing.

04:01:15.920 I think we're having-

04:01:16.460 Yeah, I don't see where you've made a delineation point here.

04:01:18.900 Law paladins donated $200.

04:01:19.760 It seems like it's exactly the same thing.

04:01:21.280 I'm protecting myself from a statistical problem.

04:01:24.060 To hire women, just never, ever, ever let yourself be alone with one for your own safety.

04:01:30.340 Yeah, it's a safety concern.

04:01:32.480 That's his point.

04:01:33.060 That's the point, exactly.

04:01:33.820 Okay.

04:01:37.600 Earthquake.

04:01:39.120 Drop and cover?

04:01:40.480 Seriously?

04:01:41.060 It says earthquake detected.

04:01:42.860 Drop and cover.

04:01:43.320 It's going.

04:01:44.080 You can see it in the water.

04:01:45.040 Oh my gosh, I can see it.

04:01:46.020 I have never experienced it.

04:01:47.200 It's going.

04:01:47.880 It's happening.

04:01:48.740 It's happening.

04:01:49.760 Yep, it's an earthquake right now.

04:01:50.780 I knew San Andreas was going to happen the second I came here.

04:01:52.940 It's going.

04:01:53.820 Relax, relax.

04:01:54.700 You're good.

04:01:55.160 I'm just kidding.

04:01:56.080 It's not bad.

04:01:58.180 I told you guys I hexed you guys.

04:02:00.940 I'm sorry.

04:02:01.600 It's still going.

04:02:03.120 I blessed myself with holy water.

04:02:04.800 I'm sorry.

04:02:05.520 I'm sorry.

04:02:06.360 You guys, your counteract, your warding didn't work.

04:02:10.220 Your protection magic didn't work.

04:02:12.000 Sorry.

04:02:13.360 I've been in cat five hurricanes.

04:02:15.700 Yeah, really.

04:02:18.840 It just moved our water, but it said to drop and cover.

04:02:22.320 So, drop and cover.

04:02:26.400 Water shakes.

04:02:27.020 Isn't there like an aftershock?

04:02:28.300 Yeah.

04:02:30.560 That must have been a 1.0.

04:02:32.720 Isn't there like an aftershock or something?

04:02:34.640 Was there a TTS that came in too?

04:02:35.900 It was probably a three or a four.

04:02:37.560 Oh, a little paladins.

04:02:38.780 Okay.

04:02:39.460 We do have another message from Jesus Horse.

04:02:42.600 These, what's up?

04:02:46.000 These spells are going to backfire on you.

04:02:48.040 There's no innocence clause.

04:02:49.220 That's not how magic works.

04:02:51.460 You have no understanding on what you're doing.

04:02:53.820 You are not King Solomon or Crowley.

04:02:55.780 You are a fraud.

04:02:58.560 Do you want to respond to that?

04:02:59.900 I mean, they're entitled to their own beliefs.

04:03:02.340 I personally, again, I have an overwhelming amount of positive experiences with clients.

04:03:09.540 I would say nine out of ten clients that come to me leave with better results, with better lives.

04:03:17.280 Well, I just want to point out that Alistair Crowley also was a fraud and that The Key of Solomon is a fraudulent book and complete nonsense and really has nothing to do with King Solomon at all.

04:03:25.940 But I just want to point that out.

04:03:27.740 Yeah.

04:03:27.880 I feel like it's a bit of a cop-out, though, when it comes to the shirt.

04:03:33.700 Like, oh, I'm wearing a statement on a shirt, but I actually don't believe it.

04:03:39.060 My friend told me to do it.

04:03:40.940 Well, it's just a joke.

04:03:42.380 Mm-hmm.

04:03:43.220 Yeah.

04:03:44.100 You'd have no objections.

04:03:45.240 Like, if I went to, like, if I walked around at UCSB, for example, and I wore a shirt that says, like, ban female teachers.

04:03:53.940 No.

04:03:54.540 No problems.

04:03:54.980 I really wouldn't care.

04:03:55.740 Wouldn't care.

04:03:56.440 Ban female guests on podcasts.

04:03:59.520 Okay.

04:04:00.160 All right.

04:04:01.280 Perhaps if your friend reconsiders.

04:04:03.320 It's a joke.

04:04:03.440 I'm not obvious.

04:04:04.920 This doesn't have, this hasn't more of an impact on you than I thought it would.

04:04:08.780 It's just a funny joke.

04:04:09.880 I don't think it's, I just think it's a bit of a misandrist statement.

04:04:14.140 I don't, I'm not crying like the feminist who is next to you from earlier.

04:04:19.240 I'm not either.

04:04:20.420 Yeah.

04:04:20.920 No.

04:04:21.240 I mean.

04:04:21.860 The big old feminist.

04:04:23.540 Guns blazing.

04:04:24.520 Mm-hmm.

04:04:24.820 That's how she describes herself.

04:04:25.920 Yeah.

04:04:26.140 Big old feminist.

04:04:27.300 Big old feminist.

04:04:27.920 All right.

04:04:28.120 We're going to get into some of the, some of the other show notes here.

04:04:32.220 Oh, wow.

04:04:32.920 Okay.

04:04:33.080 Thanks, Dave.

04:04:33.540 Appreciate it.

04:04:35.240 Let's do pull up Twitch really quick, then we'll get into the rest of the pre-show notes.

04:04:37.980 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow and a prime sub.

04:04:42.140 If you have one, twitch.tv slash whatever.

04:04:46.720 Guys, it's been 45 minutes since we last got a prime.

04:04:49.920 I think it's bugged.

04:04:51.040 Can somebody help out?

04:04:52.140 Like unstuck it, unbug it?

04:04:54.760 I don't know what is going on.

04:04:56.380 It's really weird.

04:04:57.080 I don't know why they're, you know, it's strange.

04:04:59.080 I think it's bugged.

04:04:59.780 Somebody maybe can help out.

04:05:01.380 Somebody hexed it.

04:05:02.260 Appreciate it.

04:05:02.920 I need to fix the camera in the center.

04:05:05.100 It's a little off.

04:05:06.220 But before I do that, I did want to pull up.

04:05:11.700 Nick, could you pull up that Reddit post?

04:05:13.020 We'll read it really quick.

04:05:16.840 So this was posted on Reddit in legal advice.

04:05:19.700 Could you scroll up to the top so we can see the title?

04:05:22.660 Scroll down a little bit.

04:05:23.680 Okay.

04:05:23.880 Do I legally have to bring my date back home if I took them out?

04:05:27.620 It was quite a substantial distance that we drove.

04:05:29.220 I matched with the girl on Tinder and chatted for a couple of days.

04:05:32.040 She mentioned that there was a big event happening three states over and asked me if I wanted to join her on a short holiday for a week.

04:05:37.960 I agreed, picked her up, we had dinner to see if we clicked, and then I drove to the event.

04:05:41.940 When we reached the event, she ended up hooking up with another guy in the hotel room I'd booked.

04:05:46.060 She scampered off and eventually returned to the hotel room very, very late after not seeing her for hours and very, very drunk.

04:05:53.160 Obviously, I was pissed that I'd been used as a free travel ticket and I had to spend most of my time at this event alone.

04:06:01.600 I wasn't expecting to be rewarded with sex, but at the very least, don't abandon me in another state while you go shacking up with other guys.

04:06:09.580 It is still going on for three more days, the event, but can I legally just abandon her here and drive home, or do I have a legal obligation to take her with me?

04:06:18.620 I'd rather not waste any more of my time, and I might be able to do, okay, whatever.

04:06:24.360 I think, oh, scroll down, yeah.

04:06:26.900 I told her I was going to leave, and she insisted that I had to wait for her, as I was the only way she could get back home.

04:06:33.740 States involved are Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana, currently in Indiana.

04:06:39.160 So, just as a brief, kind of more light break from the conversation at hand, your thoughts on this?

04:06:46.340 Does he have any obligation to her to leave her?

04:06:49.180 No, leave her.

04:06:50.300 Leave her there.

04:06:51.180 Why is he asking about legal obligation?

04:06:52.960 Is there a legal law?

04:06:54.900 That's why he's asking.

04:06:56.020 He wants to make sure there is.

04:06:56.900 Yeah, I would say legally there's nothing.

04:07:00.000 Butler donated $200.

04:07:02.500 That was not an earthquake.

04:07:04.100 It was the panel's genital warts violently bursting at the seams and shaking the entire state of California.

04:07:10.400 Thank you, man.

04:07:10.860 Brian, you're putting Andrew at risk, you bastard.

04:07:13.520 Hashtag herpes.

04:07:14.360 I do want to say we do, at least when it comes to the chairs, we disinfect them.

04:07:23.200 Actually, we burn all the chairs after the show.

04:07:25.680 Every show, we have a new set of chairs coming in.

04:07:28.020 Jay Butler, send me a message on Instagram, okay?

04:07:30.700 Jay Butler, it's been a while.

04:07:32.080 I know you came back recently.

04:07:33.420 You've been on a hiatus from the whatever podcast, but...

04:07:36.580 He's a brave and a decent man.

04:07:38.280 He's a kind of man.

04:07:39.400 Shoot me a message on Instagram, man.

04:07:41.400 I need to talk to you, bro.

04:07:42.920 We're going to get you hooked up on our Discord, so thank you, man.

04:07:45.840 Okay, let's get into some of the other notes here.

04:07:49.380 We have Kayla.

04:07:53.120 Kayla.

04:07:54.380 That is me.

04:07:55.200 You're a Christian, single mom, single for nine years.

04:07:57.560 Within that time, you had one-night stand that led to an adoption.

04:08:01.240 You mentioned the adoption, and that was from a one-night stand?

04:08:05.080 Correct.

04:08:05.340 Okay.

04:08:06.100 You say, I've never had a hofes by typical standards and no relationships in my adult life, aside from my ex-husband.

04:08:16.560 So no hofes aside from the one-night stand pregnancy.

04:08:20.940 I've had a few discretion since my divorce.

04:08:24.460 Oh, okay.

04:08:25.080 Nothing that...

04:08:25.680 All of them one-night stands.

04:08:27.640 Nothing that was like a relationship.

04:08:29.260 Yeah.

04:08:29.460 It's kind of me giving in to the world, saying, like, go get it, girl.

04:08:33.140 So I went and got it.

04:08:34.580 Yeah.

04:08:35.180 Okay.

04:08:35.620 And then instantly regretted it.

04:08:39.020 And you said unique.

04:08:41.460 Yeah, you already said this.

04:08:42.280 I got pregnant off a one-night stand.

04:08:43.720 Gave the baby away through adoption.

04:08:45.740 Relationship with ex-husband.

04:08:46.920 Unique.

04:08:47.640 Uniquely sad, do you think?

04:08:49.340 But did you not want to get into that, or...?

04:08:51.740 I can't get into my ex-husband's relationship with my daughter.

04:08:54.800 Like details?

04:08:55.360 But I can talk about my relationship with my ex-husband.

04:08:57.440 Yeah.

04:08:57.680 You said the common story of a girl with low self-confidence staying with the wrong guy with a few extra twists and turns.

04:09:03.820 Yeah.

04:09:04.060 So if you want to give us kind of like the plot synopsis version, go ahead.

04:09:07.660 Yeah.

04:09:08.160 So I met him when I was 18.

04:09:10.320 I moved to Maryland when I was 18.

04:09:13.400 I went there for...

04:09:14.320 Pull the mic a little closer.

04:09:15.380 I can move on?

04:09:15.920 Yeah.

04:09:16.200 You're good.

04:09:16.740 Okay.

04:09:16.840 So I moved to Maryland when I was 18.

04:09:19.240 I went to culinary school.

04:09:20.360 So that's what brought me out there from Indiana.

04:09:22.280 Oddly enough, he just said he was in Indiana.

04:09:25.020 And I met my ex-husband when I was 18.

04:09:27.380 We worked at Bob Evans together.

04:09:28.820 I pursued him.

04:09:30.060 I was always the girl that went after the guys as like a young girl.

04:09:33.720 So when I went off to college, I did the same thing.

04:09:38.040 And we broke up a few times because he thought we were not puzzle pieces that like met each other.

04:09:42.740 Like we weren't meant to be in his opinion.

04:09:44.300 But I kind of kept pushing at it because, again, low self-esteem, you kind of find what you think you're supposed to be finding.

04:09:51.580 And you kind of cling on to it.

04:09:52.700 And at the time, that's what he was to me.

04:09:55.360 And he was just, he wasn't a mean guy.

04:09:57.720 He just wasn't a guy that loved me.

04:09:59.220 And so I would sit there for years just doing all I could to prove to him like how wifely I could be, how solid I could be.

04:10:06.640 I worked on my own.

04:10:07.920 I lived on my own.

04:10:08.660 And like we were together for eight years and we didn't move in with each other until six months before we were married because he wanted to make sure I was a solid person, a whole person on my own before we could be whole people together.

04:10:18.500 And he was just very narcissistic, very just like, I don't know, ignorant to my emotional sides just like some men can be.

04:10:27.840 But at the same time, I know it's very, he's not abusive physically, just very emotionally.

04:10:35.420 It made me feel like my opinions didn't matter, my emotions didn't matter, and I was okay with it until I was married.

04:10:42.460 And then we got pregnant on our wedding day.

04:10:44.800 And I always say that when my daughter came out of my vagina, she pulled out my balls because after I gave birth to my daughter, I started realizing how I did deserve more than a man who thought I was just okay.

04:10:55.440 I deserved more than a man who said I actually wasn't the most beautiful girl in the room and all those sorts of things.

04:11:00.860 And we divorced because I, something came up with my daughter and I wouldn't just believe him.

04:11:08.900 And he actually was the one that went to court and filed for divorce to me.

04:11:13.060 So I didn't divorce him.

04:11:13.940 He divorced me because I wouldn't just side with him.

04:11:16.740 And that was my marriage in a nutshell.

04:11:19.480 It was just, he was a whatever guy.

04:11:22.540 Gaslighting.

04:11:23.400 Very gaslighting.

04:11:24.420 I don't know.

04:11:24.780 He was just very much of a whatever dude, not a yes man.

04:11:29.760 So we lived a life with no amenities.

04:11:32.760 We had no credit cards.

04:11:33.880 We didn't own anything extravagant.

04:11:35.440 I wasn't allowed, we weren't allowed to have cable in the house.

04:11:37.500 We didn't have the internet because it was.

04:11:39.020 Sounds great.

04:11:40.440 I mean, I currently actually still have no internet or cable in my house because once you remove yourselves from that addiction, you realize how frivolous it is.

04:11:47.360 And it's also an extra $120 in my pocket.

04:11:50.820 But when you're in a relationship with someone who says like no to anything besides food, house, gas, job, it was very limited in life.

04:11:59.580 And it, I just lived in that for a long time.

04:12:01.860 It was kind of like how people live throughout all of history.

04:12:04.840 Pretty much.

04:12:05.480 Which, I came from a very disgruntled and dysfunctional like family lifestyle dynamic when I was a child.

04:12:12.960 So to me, it was very stable.

04:12:15.600 Like the doldrums of our relationship, looking back at it, yes, it was boring.

04:12:20.080 Yes, there was no like emotional growth.

04:12:21.840 Yes, to a lot of things that didn't happen.

04:12:24.040 But it was stable.

04:12:25.400 He wasn't off the rails, crazy guy.

04:12:27.680 He wasn't yelling at me all the time.

04:12:28.980 He wasn't constantly moving.

04:12:30.120 He wasn't constantly doing a whole bunch of stuff.

04:12:31.600 He just wasn't doing anything.

04:12:34.020 That makes sense.

04:12:35.480 Do you miss being married?

04:12:37.580 I don't miss being married to him, but I do miss being married.

04:12:42.820 Like I always grew up thinking that I would be a married woman.

04:12:45.900 I would be a woman creating children, someone fostering like a household, nurturing a man, being behind a man, like filling up his cup as he fills others sort of situation.

04:12:55.700 Because I feel like that's what wives are kind of meant to do.

04:12:59.740 So I do miss that.

04:13:00.980 And I still do long for it.

04:13:01.940 I know I'm 40.

04:13:02.520 What was this breaking point with the daughter?

04:13:05.480 Unless it's, that's like...

04:13:07.580 It's stuff, yeah, I'm like in a legal custody battle, so I'm not allowed to say things that might influence how people view him.

04:13:14.900 But it came to a situation where I had a two-year-old coming to me saying a certain thing had happened in her life, and I had a choice to either listen to a two-year-old that had no reason to make up anything or listen to a man whose reaction to it was very angry.

04:13:30.640 Normally, I find that if someone is presented with something that has happened, if they come at you with anger, it's normally guilt, which normally kind of says, yes, this has actually happened.

04:13:41.200 I mean, it's a natural reaction.

04:13:42.480 Actually, anger is a natural reaction to being angry if there's a false accusation, too, right?

04:13:45.020 It's true, too.

04:13:46.000 Yeah, I do agree with that.

04:13:47.040 Yeah.

04:13:47.660 If there's a false accusation, I would get angry.

04:13:49.660 Like, reactionally, yes, but after, I think, like, months of conversation, going through therapy, if the level of anger never subsides, it kind of...

04:14:02.860 Okay.

04:14:03.580 Well, one thing on that that's interesting to me is, like, if somebody says you did something, maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but then if you, they say if you become defensive, but, like, how do you, do you expect people to not defend?

04:14:19.660 Defend themselves if they've been falsely accused of something.

04:14:22.740 That's why I don't understand, like, isn't that the point?

04:14:25.820 Like, you want to defend yourself, but people will use your defensiveness, oh, you must have done something because you're so defensive.

04:14:33.640 Well, I think it's kind of like the same way how some men view women when they become in conversation.

04:14:39.900 Yes, you have every right to defend yourself with a defense if all it is is an emotional reaction and there's no anything behind it to prove it otherwise.

04:14:49.660 Besides, besides an emotional...

04:14:51.720 I thought men were supposed to be more in touch with their emotions.

04:14:54.400 I think when it comes to your child, it's, that's, it's a hard line, though.

04:14:58.560 I mean, assuming, taking, making some assumptions about what sort of accusation this must have been, I mean...

04:15:05.380 Mama bear for mama bear.

04:15:05.780 It seems like pretty catastrophic, life-ruining, life-ending, criminal, potential criminal prosecution.

04:15:15.600 Reputational destruction.

04:15:16.560 I could see somebody getting emotional over their whole life potentially being ruined.

04:15:24.660 But it puts a mother in a rock and a hard place.

04:15:26.980 It does, but, so I can kind of speak to this as well because my husband and I actually had this situation happen to us with my stepdaughter.

04:15:35.140 And he was put through the gambit.

04:15:38.560 We had her, like, on rare basis, and the mother put in false allegations against him that he, like, totally beat her.

04:15:46.700 And we had to go through investigators and all sorts of stuff to clear his name.

04:15:51.780 Like, she took it all the way to the DA, the DA, and all sorts of stuff to have to clear his name.

04:15:56.840 And he was 100% innocent.

04:15:59.600 And it was a really hard time.

04:16:01.800 And, like, and I totally, like, get that.

04:16:03.560 And that's why, like, I'm not even mentioning what it is because I did not leave him because of those reasons.

04:16:08.320 And we don't need this specific thing.

04:16:09.260 Yeah, yeah.

04:16:09.840 Like, the divorce didn't happen because of what had happened with my daughter.

04:16:13.700 It happened because he filed for the divorce.

04:16:15.800 Yeah.

04:16:16.220 It happened because he had filed for the divorce.

04:16:18.340 But here's, so I'm thinking about this as you're talking about this.

04:16:21.940 So if my, I'm thinking, if somebody brought, from my perception, a false allegation against me to my wife, and my wife believed it, you know what I mean?

04:16:35.140 Wouldn't that, that would feel to me like the ultimate act of betrayal, right?

04:16:40.600 So as I think about it, I'm like, well, maybe I would do the same shit.

04:16:45.920 Maybe I'd be like, well, you know, this is a pretty big deal.

04:16:50.220 And the fact that you don't believe me and you're supposed to believe me, that's like, that would feel like a big act of betrayal.

04:16:56.940 I think, I think that I could see myself doing something like that.

04:17:01.080 You know what I mean?

04:17:02.080 No, and I totally understand it because, yeah.

04:17:04.700 And, again, not to get into specifics.

04:17:07.260 Like, I tell my ex-husband, even still, that I don't believe, it's not because I'm being vague, it's kind of hard to say.

04:17:15.440 But I'm not even to the point where I've convinced, and I want to ruin a reputation because, again, it was on the word of a young child saying something might have happened or something did happen.

04:17:25.340 Or I was scared of a certain situation.

04:17:27.140 Let's say it that way.

04:17:29.680 That's why I didn't go straight and filed for divorce.

04:17:31.840 That's why I'm not wanting to mention it here.

04:17:33.620 Yeah, sure.

04:17:33.940 I didn't even write it down in, like, my divorce papers of, like, this is why it's happening because I didn't want it to become a false accusation that became something that ruined someone's reputation because, boy, howdy, do those things, like, certainly do ruin people's reputations.

04:17:48.780 But at the same time, in a relationship, if you're saying, okay, especially when you have a child involved, because, yes, Mama Bear, that comes out real hard.

04:17:58.140 It's really hard for us to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, I feel like I need to protect my child.

04:18:01.800 And, yes, I understand.

04:18:03.540 Like, I don't want to.

04:18:06.220 And looking back, I really hate the fact that I had to kind of betray the trust of my ex-husband.

04:18:11.000 And I had to sit there and, like, go, is this even possible?

04:18:14.500 Like, the man who I love and the man who I married, do I want to believe this?

04:18:18.980 And the answer was no.

04:18:19.940 And the answer still is.

04:18:20.900 I don't want to believe that anything like that was happening or however.

04:18:29.700 Sure.

04:18:30.200 But I still have to sit back and say, well, this is how it affected my child, and this is how it's going on, and I have to do the best for her.

04:18:36.520 But, again, I didn't really necessarily want a divorce, and he was the one that filed for it because I still was wanting to work through the matter where he just wanted it to just stop.

04:18:48.260 And that's what led to divorce.

04:18:49.900 It's just like, and I get it.

04:18:51.640 Yeah.

04:18:51.940 But at the same time, I couldn't just turn off my needing an answer.

04:18:57.940 Okay.

04:18:59.180 Yeah.

04:18:59.600 There's nothing wrong with you, like, asking questions.

04:19:01.960 Yeah.

04:19:02.260 Yeah.

04:19:02.580 You know, getting to specifics.

04:19:03.420 I feel it's responsible to ask questions.

04:19:05.160 Absolutely.

04:19:05.480 Yeah, so you said, moving on, you disagree on the view Brian and most others have on single moms.

04:19:17.000 So, I guess, what is the position that you think I or others have on this?

04:19:23.820 Well, not necessarily your point of view.

04:19:26.160 Sorry.

04:19:26.660 Thank you.

04:19:26.960 It's just point of view that I've heard before on this podcast or other podcasts about how, generally, children of single mothers turn out to be the bad bunches of the world.

04:19:40.080 It's true.

04:19:40.500 And I get that.

04:19:42.900 And I don't disagree with, like, the statistics of it and all.

04:19:46.880 I just, I guess where I disagree is putting solely the blame on the fact that it's a single mother and not necessarily a single parent in general.

04:19:58.520 Because some of the turnout situations could still be the same if it was just...

04:20:03.120 No, they're not, though.

04:20:04.100 When it's a single father at home, the problems and the outcomes are significantly better than when it's with a single mother at home.

04:20:12.960 That's why it's viewed this way with so much social stigma.

04:20:15.820 So, the idea is not to say that women who are single, many times, women can become single through no fault of their own.

04:20:25.400 Perhaps they're in an abusive, an actual abusive relationship.

04:20:29.240 Perhaps their husband dies.

04:20:31.320 Perhaps, you know, there's any number of different situations which can cause it.

04:20:35.160 But if you were looking to advise, if you're just, if, let's say you had an entire pool of men to advise, then you were to look at the numbers and you go, okay, look, the amount of shit that you're going to put up with marrying a single mom versus not marrying a single mom is massive.

04:20:51.780 You're putting up with a lot more shit, a lot more trouble.

04:20:54.760 Now you've got exes involved.

04:20:56.180 You've got all of this involved, right?

04:20:59.780 Babies involved.

04:21:00.440 Probably better, if you have viable options external to a single mom, to take those.

04:21:07.040 Now, there's situations, many situations, where marrying a single mother works out fine.

04:21:12.580 Dating single moms works out fine.

04:21:14.580 There was no problem with that.

04:21:16.560 But it's not often, right?

04:21:18.400 Those are much smaller in the percentage of the pool versus the amount of people who end up with catastrophic situations.

04:21:27.680 Because now they have to not only deal with you, but they have to deal with children that are not theirs.

04:21:34.600 And then the fathers of those children, the extended families of those fathers of those children who all want to be involved.

04:21:42.180 That's where the viewpoint is.

04:21:44.700 It's like, so if you were going to advise your son, if you had all of that data, and there was options in front of them.

04:21:52.280 And so option one is, I really like this girl, but, you know, she has children from another man, but I also really like this girl, and she doesn't, right?

04:22:01.980 It seems pretty clear that you would advise them, hey, maybe you should think, if that option's available to you about going with that, because there's less potential for damage to you.

04:22:11.760 If you're looking for the best for your own kids, right?

04:22:14.440 Does that make sense?

04:22:15.240 Wait, but before I have you answer that, I actually didn't hear you actually raise this from the context of dating.

04:22:24.000 Now, perhaps it's your position.

04:22:25.680 The only thing I heard was just, you've heard people say that when it comes to raising children, the outcomes of the children when raised in a single mother household as compared to a single father household.

04:22:37.720 But is it also just, because Andrew's now in the realm of dating, right?

04:22:41.460 But are you also have qualms there when it comes to, hey, it's suboptimal to date single moms as opposed to childless women?

04:22:51.820 Oh, no, definitely not.

04:22:53.000 Oh, okay.

04:22:53.280 I definitely disagree.

04:22:54.940 So, Andrew, I think her position is simply just the whole single moms raising children, the outcomes for the children, as compared to the single father.

04:23:03.100 It's not really a dating, I don't think she has qualms on the dating front.

04:23:06.140 They're much worse across the board.

04:23:07.880 Okay.

04:23:08.160 So, they're much worse in criminality.

04:23:09.940 And here's why.

04:23:10.880 I'll tell you why this is the case.

04:23:13.960 It's because of the external component of stepdad.

04:23:17.300 So, stepfathers are far more likely to abuse the kids.

04:23:21.120 Stepdads are far more likely to have a revolving door, right?

04:23:25.000 Or boyfriends, much more likely to have a revolving door.

04:23:28.880 Single dads, that doesn't work that way, right?

04:23:32.180 So, if a single dad has another woman who enters in the kid's life, they have a lot more power to do something about any type of problem which may occur, right?

04:23:42.160 They're not going to have the same dependency issues.

04:23:44.040 They're not going to have the same revolving door.

04:23:45.960 And so, the chance of abuse goes significantly down.

04:23:49.740 So, for instance, if I was single tomorrow and I was dating a woman and I saw some kind of abusive tenants, right?

04:23:55.720 Very easy for me to be like, get the fuck out of here, lunatic.

04:23:58.880 And what is she going to do about it?

04:24:00.540 Nothing.

04:24:00.820 But the other way might not be so easy, right?

04:24:05.600 So, this is why you generally have better outcomes with single fathers is because they can actually do something when it comes to this idea of abuse.

04:24:14.980 And they are far more likely, far more likely than the biological dad to abuse kids.

04:24:19.580 Like, overwhelmingly.

04:24:20.720 Not all of them do it.

04:24:22.360 In fact, probably most of them don't do it.

04:24:23.620 I'm just saying that statistically, they're more likely to.

04:24:27.220 So, that's why the outcomes tend to be better with single fathers than single mothers.

04:24:31.820 And isn't there data that per capita looking at children raised by single fathers as compared to single mothers, for example, incidents of criminality?

04:24:40.780 Yeah, I brought that up.

04:24:41.800 But that's why the incidences of criminality come.

04:24:44.820 Sure.

04:24:44.960 So, me being single is better for my child?

04:24:48.020 Is it?

04:24:48.540 Like...

04:24:49.100 What?

04:24:49.420 No, it'd be worse.

04:24:49.840 Well, no, if he's saying...

04:24:50.680 I do have to move it on, but if you...

04:24:51.860 So, if you can make your point.

04:24:52.840 So, the chances are...

04:24:54.780 And this is just raw facts.

04:24:57.080 These are just raw facts.

04:24:58.060 Yeah.

04:24:58.240 Okay?

04:24:58.400 The chances of you introducing a new man into your child's life are likely going to be more detrimental than if you're in a relationship with the child's biological father for the course.

04:25:11.500 Now, that doesn't mean that that's going to be true.

04:25:14.740 I'm just talking about risk factors.

04:25:16.640 Yeah.

04:25:16.820 The risk factors are higher, that's all.

04:25:18.460 So, yeah.

04:25:19.020 So, I'm saying, like, from my point of view, I've been single since I've been single.

04:25:22.720 So, from what you're explaining, that means that, like, my outcome would be slightly better because I'm not having that rotating door.

04:25:30.980 The outcome may be slightly better because you don't have other men coming in.

04:25:36.680 However, it's still going to be suboptimal as to if you had probably stayed with the father.

04:25:41.860 And so, that's why, like you said, your Christian churches will often recommend, look, there's no abuse.

04:25:47.480 There's no drugs.

04:25:48.320 There's no stuff like that.

04:25:49.300 You guys are just having a hard time reconciling some issues.

04:25:52.920 You should probably still stay together to make sure that the kids have the best shot at life because after they're out the door, then you can do something different.

04:25:59.820 You know what I mean?

04:26:00.400 But that's often why even non-religious counselors will often advise this.

04:26:08.500 Okay.

04:26:09.500 You said also the viewpoint that women are more attractive at 20 than 40.

04:26:13.920 So, what was your thing there?

04:26:15.720 I mean, kind of, you asked earlier about if I thought I looked better now than I did at 20.

04:26:21.360 And I understand the whole manna point of view about, like, how they look, how younger we look more fertile and we are more, yeah, fertile looking as young women.

04:26:32.980 I just, personally, I believe that women look slightly better.

04:26:36.080 Even men, we look better in that middle age, somewhere between 30 and 40.

04:26:40.540 When we have more matured features, we slightly don't look so babyish in our faces, not as young.

04:26:47.380 And I just think that we look slightly better, slightly older.

04:26:50.860 Well, I think it's women age, definitely their taste age when it comes to men.

04:26:56.900 Oh, for sure.

04:26:56.960 A hundred percent.

04:26:57.560 I'm not confident that is the case the other way around, that women, or I'm sorry, that men aren't still attracted to younger women because all the data that I've seen most definitely shows that they are.

04:27:10.720 Whereas women, it seems that their tastes slightly deviate.

04:27:14.160 Though they still, from a beauty standard point, still go, okay, 25-year-old men are still better looking on average than 45-year-old men.

04:27:20.800 Like, fine wine, like, well, I think the taste change because of the valuation of different things.

04:27:28.040 They just value different things.

04:27:29.860 Men at 45 are still looking at women as vessels and carriers of children.

04:27:33.580 That's what the attraction comes from.

04:27:34.960 So, youth is associated with that.

04:27:37.580 Of course, that's why you'd be attracted to younger women.

04:27:41.360 Yep.

04:27:42.560 I mean, it's not even really that difficult to understand.

04:27:45.300 It's not, yeah.

04:27:46.540 I don't understand that at all.

04:27:47.040 Do you have the study, though?

04:27:49.040 Actually, we can bring it up.

04:27:50.140 You can go to, if you want to, you can actually go to a really good place to source a lot of this data, especially on the abuse in the home.

04:27:59.660 You can go to my wife's substack, Rachel Wilson, and you can check.

04:28:05.060 I mean, she's gone through and compiled huge amounts of data just to kind of go through these one at a time because she argues with feminists so much.

04:28:13.180 Probably the best anti-feminist debater in the world.

04:28:16.180 Oh, I'd love to meet her.

04:28:17.040 Yeah, her book, Occult Feminism, it compiles some of this, but her substack has most of the kind of cultural battle statistics that we're kind of going over all the time, but especially in a case like this.

04:28:29.380 And I think what happens is people often, they think that you're attacking them based on their situation.

04:28:36.100 When you're not really attacking them based on their situation, you're just explaining the distinction in risk assessment.

04:28:42.420 You're like, look, if I'm going to advise somebody, if I were to tell a man, right, is it a good idea in 2024 to get together with a single mom if another choice was viable?

04:28:53.000 The answer is definitely no.

04:28:55.120 It is definitely no.

04:28:56.460 No, you shouldn't, okay?

04:28:58.200 I would agree with that.

04:28:59.060 And what happens is because they're in the situation where they themselves are a single mom, they see that as an attack.

04:29:04.540 But it's not an attack.

04:29:05.860 It's just showing, look, this is what is true.

04:29:10.180 It's not the case that it may be true in your situation or anybody's situation.

04:29:14.660 But there is like a statistic here that we can look to that we can make these kind of general determinations off of based on outcomes.

04:29:25.580 Is there a statistic that you know about two single parents?

04:29:29.520 Honestly, the only reason I brought up statistics is because it was just a callback to the feminist who needed the statistic thing on everything.

04:29:36.840 So I need to get through the rest of the notes here.

04:29:39.600 We have Riley.

04:29:41.500 Riley, you have a crazy hookup story?

04:29:44.080 Yeah.

04:29:44.660 I have lots, but I have one specific one.

04:29:47.860 Oh, I have lots, but I have one specific one, I'll tell.

04:29:53.240 Okay, so one time I met this guy at the beach, and we decided to hook up, and there's not much to it.

04:30:03.120 Anyways, he kind of had like an offensive sense of humor, which is fine.

04:30:10.100 Like sometimes that's funny to me.

04:30:11.400 But we were hooking up, and he said what I thought was a joke, but it turns out it wasn't.

04:30:20.420 And he asked me if I wanted to role play as Helen Keller.

04:30:26.260 Helen Keller was not real.

04:30:27.560 What?

04:30:28.200 She was not real.

04:30:28.980 She was not real.

04:30:29.840 And I laughed at that, and he like got mad and like put his hand over my mouth and told me to shut up, bitch, because Helen Keller cannot talk.

04:30:40.480 And he was being dead serious.

04:30:42.600 Oh, my God.

04:30:43.900 Yeah.

04:30:44.120 So that's one of them.

04:30:46.440 That's probably, yeah, the funniest.

04:30:48.120 Okay.

04:30:49.500 Whoa.

04:30:51.800 Helen Keller's the deaf lady.

04:30:53.640 Deaf, blind lady.

04:30:54.860 Yeah, yeah.

04:30:55.380 Deaf coming.

04:30:56.000 By the way, this was also my first time.

04:30:58.620 Shut up.

04:31:00.680 It was.

04:31:01.440 Wait, wait, wait.

04:31:02.280 Like first time having sex?

04:31:04.300 Yes.

04:31:04.880 Oh, no.

04:31:05.900 How long did you know the guy for?

04:31:09.060 I was on a pallet.

04:31:10.460 Like a week?

04:31:11.420 I'm a virgin.

04:31:12.940 So you just, you're losing, but you did, wait, hold on.

04:31:18.340 Was it before having sex he asked you to do this, or you guys had sex?

04:31:21.520 No, like while we were having sex.

04:31:23.020 Mid, mid thrust.

04:31:25.220 Yeah.

04:31:25.920 He wanted you to be Helen Keller.

04:31:28.200 Yeah.

04:31:28.700 Did he know you were a virgin?

04:31:31.040 Yes.

04:31:32.260 What the fuck?

04:31:33.680 Jai Vanek donated $200.

04:31:36.600 Mrs. Catholic, what's the catechism say about beach hookups and Helen Keller roleplay?

04:31:44.420 Well, I don't like, I only say I'm Catholic because when I was born, I was baptized and

04:31:49.940 my family is Catholic, but I don't necessarily like practice or believe every single thing.

04:31:56.440 But so are you Catholic?

04:31:58.000 Are you religious?

04:31:58.740 Do you believe in God?

04:31:59.620 I believe in God.

04:32:00.540 I'm still trying to figure it out.

04:32:01.480 Are you a Christian?

04:32:03.160 Yeah.

04:32:03.760 I'm still trying to figure it all out.

04:32:05.340 I just, I'm trying to figure it out right now.

04:32:08.340 Are you on a journey?

04:32:09.760 I guess so.

04:32:10.600 I'm on a journey.

04:32:11.740 You're on a journey of self-discovery?

04:32:13.960 Yeah.

04:32:14.400 I definitely do believe in God though.

04:32:16.060 And wait, how old were you for the Helen Keller virginity story?

04:32:20.480 How old were you?

04:32:21.480 Seventeen.

04:32:22.420 Seventeen.

04:32:23.100 There's that.

04:32:23.560 And was this like somebody you went to school with or you were on vacation?

04:32:26.900 No, I was on, I was at like my friend's birthday party.

04:32:30.640 So kind of on vacation and I met him at the beach and we hung out and then.

04:32:35.700 How old was he?

04:32:36.660 He was also 17.

04:32:38.000 Okay.

04:32:38.300 And then we like started texting and I went back out to see him and that's when it happened.

04:32:45.040 But is this one of those things where he was just trying to be funny?

04:32:47.380 No, I thought so.

04:32:48.480 I thought so.

04:32:49.160 But no, he wasn't.

04:32:50.620 He was very aggressive with it.

04:32:53.760 Really?

04:32:54.400 Please tell me you left.

04:32:54.820 Seventeen year olds are role playing Helen Keller?

04:32:56.060 I did.

04:32:56.360 I left.

04:32:56.780 What the fuck?

04:32:57.440 Crazy stuff.

04:32:58.380 God damn, bro.

04:32:59.040 They get started early with the crazy shit.

04:33:01.080 What the fuck?

04:33:02.240 I'm not really sure how he even got into that.

04:33:03.340 It's a very weird role play.

04:33:04.560 But damn, bro, 17 year olds doing some crazy shit.

04:33:09.360 Yeah, no, I just.

04:33:11.200 I had a similar.

04:33:12.020 God damn, save that for your 20s at least.

04:33:14.040 What the fuck?

04:33:14.840 Maybe your 30s.

04:33:15.720 I don't think that should ever be happening.

04:33:18.180 Yeah, or yeah.

04:33:18.940 Wait, you don't think what?

04:33:20.320 I don't think anybody ever needs to role play Helen Keller during sex.

04:33:24.600 I can't wait to try it.

04:33:26.440 No, but you can't.

04:33:27.820 Wait, so like you met this, but you hung out with him before, right?

04:33:31.620 Yeah, like why?

04:33:32.120 Was he also kind of like a little aggressive, like aggressive with his jokes or whatever?

04:33:37.620 He made like jokes that some people would perceive as offensive.

04:33:42.740 Like, for example, my friend asked him how tall he was, so then he asked her how much she weighs.

04:33:50.080 That's valid.

04:33:50.780 I think that's valid, actually.

04:33:51.920 So he's awesome.

04:33:53.080 Do you say he's awesome?

04:33:53.880 He's a fucking legend.

04:33:55.080 He also like.

04:33:56.540 I'm a fucking legend.

04:33:57.960 He also had like a poster in his like dorm room that.

04:34:06.140 Wait, dorm room?

04:34:07.020 Yeah, it happened.

04:34:07.620 I thought it was on vacation.

04:34:08.780 It was, but he.

04:34:09.980 Okay, so I live in Florida.

04:34:11.540 So like it was my friend's birthday and she was having it at like a hotel that was on the beach.

04:34:17.380 So I say vacation and he went to a college that's right next to it.

04:34:22.580 So we hung out on the beach and then we started texting and he invited me back and I visited.

04:34:28.100 Was it, when you say dorm room, like I know some dorm rooms, there's like bunk beds.

04:34:32.860 Yeah, it was.

04:34:33.560 Like triple.

04:34:35.120 Was it a triple or how many people lived in the room?

04:34:37.800 Just two.

04:34:38.880 Yeah.

04:34:39.080 Was his roommate there at the time?

04:34:40.940 No, no.

04:34:41.620 Okay.

04:34:41.960 I wouldn't have let that happen.

04:34:43.240 Wait, so how much.

04:34:44.100 Put the sock on the door.

04:34:45.280 How much time.

04:34:47.140 So you met him.

04:34:48.060 You said a week went by.

04:34:50.060 I don't remember the exact time.

04:34:52.020 But it's okay.

04:34:52.440 So you met him once.

04:34:54.040 Yeah.

04:34:54.360 And then like timeline here.

04:34:57.440 Met him once, but you didn't hook up when you first met him, correct?

04:35:00.860 Not like.

04:35:01.460 Like you got his number.

04:35:02.040 We didn't have sex.

04:35:03.120 You met at the beach, got the number.

04:35:05.380 Then you planned for a second meetup, which was in his dorm room.

04:35:09.800 Yeah.

04:35:10.940 So second meetup, in his dorm room, and then you pretty much got right down to business?

04:35:15.620 No, we like watched a movie and stuff first.

04:35:17.660 Okay, but that's when the Helen Keller thing.

04:35:20.260 Wait, so just to be clear.

04:35:23.880 I can't.

04:35:24.800 Helen Keller doesn't talk.

04:35:26.660 She doesn't exist.

04:35:27.480 Were you being too loud?

04:35:28.060 She never exists.

04:35:28.640 No, I really.

04:35:29.700 I started laughing and he got aggressive and put his hand over my mouth and said, shut up, bitch.

04:35:35.520 Was he drunk?

04:35:36.680 No.

04:35:37.440 This is a peculiar story.

04:35:39.120 Yeah.

04:35:39.320 Very peculiar.

04:35:39.920 I don't know, maybe he's too loud.

04:35:41.400 He's like, Dormit's not here.

04:35:43.180 So wait, like what point, like it was just in the middle.

04:35:47.700 He was like, be Helen Keller.

04:35:49.160 Yes.

04:35:50.020 Yeah.

04:35:50.380 He's so random.

04:35:51.140 Normal, missionary.

04:35:52.420 And then he just says, I want to role play as Helen Keller.

04:35:55.620 Were you being loud?

04:35:56.760 That's what I just asked.

04:35:57.760 Wait, did you tell him you were, you told him you were virgin?

04:35:59.780 Yes, he knew.

04:36:00.280 He knew.

04:36:00.600 He knew.

04:36:01.220 And so this is the guy you picked to take your, I'm sorry.

04:36:05.640 Okay.

04:36:05.880 Well, the reason I picked him is because.

04:36:08.640 She didn't know how far through.

04:36:09.340 I probably would change it if I could now.

04:36:12.160 But like, I kind of was scared for my first time.

04:36:15.500 So I wanted to get it over with with somebody I didn't know.

04:36:19.120 So in case it was like embarrassing, it wouldn't, like, I wouldn't have to see that person again.

04:36:25.040 Interesting.

04:36:25.720 What in the name of woman logic is this?

04:36:27.900 I wouldn't choose that way now, but 17-year-old me, that's why I chose it.

04:36:31.640 Wait, I have a question.

04:36:33.040 So like, second date then, basically.

04:36:36.280 Like, second time meeting him, you guys.

04:36:38.260 So how much, so he met you on the beach, got your phone number.

04:36:41.920 He approached you, or you approached him, or how did it work?

04:36:43.960 He approached me, but like, we, he had a friend with him at the time we met.

04:36:48.960 And then like, him and his friend ended up hanging out with me and my friend whose birthday it was.

04:36:54.760 Like right then and there on the beach.

04:36:56.220 Yeah, and then we.

04:36:57.580 And then you got the exchange numbers.

04:36:59.420 Well, yeah, we like went up to my friend's hotel room.

04:37:03.260 We like played like Cards Against Humanity.

04:37:05.340 And then like when he was leaving.

04:37:06.500 So how much time did you hang out that first time?

04:37:11.420 Probably like five hours.

04:37:13.160 Five hours.

04:37:13.960 And then you went over to his dorm, watched the movie, and then.

04:37:18.040 Got Helen Kellard.

04:37:19.020 Got Helen Kellard.

04:37:22.340 And I'm just curious, like, so you've, I mean.

04:37:24.760 That was when you were 17.

04:37:25.940 You're 23 now.

04:37:26.800 I'm sure you've had other.

04:37:27.680 22.

04:37:28.460 I just turned 22.

04:37:30.060 Wait.

04:37:30.880 Are my notes, oh, sorry.

04:37:31.860 My notes got all out of order here.

04:37:33.520 22, excuse me.

04:37:34.860 So, just turned 22.

04:37:36.720 I'm sure you've had the other dating experiences.

04:37:38.820 I'm just curious, like, because you said, I just wanted to get out of the way, losing it,

04:37:42.760 or whatever, the virginity.

04:37:45.520 Would you, were you making like subsequent men wait to have sex?

04:37:50.540 Um, I don't know.

04:37:54.480 I don't understand the question.

04:37:55.900 Like, why are we trying to get over with it?

04:37:57.420 The subsequent men that you hooked up with, I'm assuming you have hooked up with subsequent

04:38:02.300 men.

04:38:03.140 Um, like, would you make them, some women make men wait for sex?

04:38:09.120 Would you make them wait for sex?

04:38:10.440 Like now?

04:38:11.920 Like, who I'm seeing now?

04:38:13.820 Sure.

04:38:14.460 People that you've dated.

04:38:15.400 Like, after that, have you made them wait?

04:38:18.420 Um, I mean, I do that now because I feel like I just, I value myself a little bit better

04:38:29.120 nowadays.

04:38:30.020 So, like, I, now I make them wait.

04:38:34.360 But, like, back then, like, right after it happened, no, I was kind of going through like

04:38:38.100 a phase.

04:38:38.620 Right.

04:38:38.840 So, when you say now you make them wait, what does that look like?

04:38:42.040 Like, I would never, like, have sex on, like, the first date or, like, I don't make them

04:38:48.180 wait, like, a long time.

04:38:49.760 I'd probably say, like, five dates.

04:38:51.640 Did you have any, like, relationships prior to losing Virginia to him?

04:38:57.020 Like, any boyfriends?

04:38:57.760 Yes, I did.

04:38:58.180 So, what made you want to, like, get it over with and lose it with the, with the random

04:39:02.700 rather than with the boyfriend that you were dating before?

04:39:06.020 Um, well, I, I don't even know.

04:39:10.680 Like, were you scared of sex?

04:39:11.360 I was, I was, yeah, I was a little bit scared because.

04:39:14.100 Were you talking during the. . .

04:39:16.440 That's what I asked.

04:39:17.240 He asked her that.

04:39:17.840 I was like, were you being too loud?

04:39:19.320 No.

04:39:19.700 Like, his dorm mate is like. . .

04:39:21.200 So, I can continue answering their thing.

04:39:23.000 It was normal.

04:39:24.260 Like, he just randomly said it to me.

04:39:27.640 So random.

04:39:28.780 Yeah.

04:39:29.360 Because someone in the chat said maybe she was just, like, talking a lot.

04:39:33.040 No, I swear, I was not.

04:39:34.480 I feel like most virgins are, like, doing dirty talk.

04:39:37.000 And also, I, like, I can, I, I understand jokes.

04:39:40.780 Like, my sense of humor is offensive.

04:39:42.980 So, like, I understand when it is a joke.

04:39:44.960 Sure.

04:39:45.520 And this was not a joke.

04:39:46.840 And so you're, you're currently seeing somebody or. . .

04:39:49.280 Yeah, but we're not, like, officially together.

04:39:52.560 How long have you guys been talking over there?

04:39:55.020 A year, but, like, off and on.

04:39:56.480 Whoa.

04:39:57.260 Okay, hold on.

04:39:58.360 Did you make this guy wait?

04:40:00.460 Uh, yeah.

04:40:01.320 Is he still waiting?

04:40:02.160 No, he's not.

04:40:03.160 Okay.

04:40:04.100 I thought you said you've been single for two years.

04:40:06.160 I am.

04:40:06.700 But you've been, you've been seeing this guy for one year.

04:40:09.720 Yeah, but we're, we've never been official.

04:40:11.620 Like, we've never, like, put a label on it.

04:40:13.280 So you're just. . .

04:40:13.780 You're having, but you're. . .

04:40:15.240 Oh, it's a situation.

04:40:16.200 You're having sex with him.

04:40:18.700 You're dating him.

04:40:19.260 Sometimes.

04:40:20.120 Are you sleeping with other men?

04:40:22.100 No.

04:40:22.720 You're dating him.

04:40:23.380 During the one year period.

04:40:25.040 I have.

04:40:25.760 Have you slept with other men while you've been in this one year period with them?

04:40:28.860 Yeah.

04:40:29.480 Yes.

04:40:31.440 Okay.

04:40:31.940 Not. . . .

04:40:32.600 Only one other guy.

04:40:33.600 How long. . .

04:40:34.080 Wait, so how long did you make this guy wait?

04:40:37.500 Yeah, I think it was, like, five dates.

04:40:39.080 And then what about that one other guy that was in between?

04:40:42.260 Um, yeah, that was, like, the first, first date.

04:40:46.000 I don't do that anymore.

04:40:47.100 Wait.

04:40:47.240 But that was, like, the first date.

04:40:48.060 This is what. . .

04:40:49.960 Sometimes is kind of crazy.

04:40:51.960 But that was also just for a hookup.

04:40:54.060 Like, I wasn't trying to, like, meet somebody to date when I was doing it.

04:40:57.060 Furthering the stereotype of all Catholic girls.

04:41:00.360 I don't get this thing of, like, okay.

04:41:04.400 I don't have. . .

04:41:05.660 I don't actually have any qualms when it comes to sleeping with someone quickly.

04:41:10.120 If it's just a hookup, I'll, well, of course, do it right away.

04:41:15.920 But then the guy that is worthy of something longer term or continuous or even a relationship, he gets to wait.

04:41:24.820 That's always confusing to me.

04:41:26.780 And the other confusing thing to me is, like, as a guy, look, you're free to do whatever you want.

04:41:31.540 You lose your virginity within 30 seconds of meeting some total fuck boy.

04:41:36.200 And then the next guy who comes along who you want a relationship with, I suppose you can make him wait six months.

04:41:44.160 I would, as a guy, though, I would be like, hold up.

04:41:48.860 The first time you ever had sex, you were a virgin.

04:41:52.400 And the expectation there would be, well, the first time you have sex, there would be almost an expectation that that would be the instance in which women choose to wait a longer period of time before having sex is when you lose your virginity.

04:42:07.420 But women are doing this shit, like, in reverse almost.

04:42:11.300 Like, you lose your virginity just randomly.

04:42:13.540 Yeah, I can't explain my 17-year-old logic.

04:42:16.520 Like I said, I'm not like that anymore.

04:42:18.340 That's fine.

04:42:18.780 Brian, I just would be like, if some girl told me, by the way, Brian, I lost my virginity within 30 minutes of meeting some random dude on the beach who said some weird shit to me while we were fucking.

04:42:30.600 But for you, Brian, now that I don't have my virginity, I want to wait until date number five?

04:42:38.340 I would just be like.

04:42:39.080 I don't necessarily say, like, we have to wait.

04:42:41.180 I kind of, like.

04:42:42.180 I would kind of flip that question around on you, though.

04:42:44.320 Are you going to value a woman more, like, date-wise, if you meet her and she fucks you the first hour?

04:42:52.200 Exactly.

04:42:52.520 Or if you went on a couple of dates and, like, she had, you felt like she had a little bit more remorals, are you more likely to end up dating her and staying with her because you respected her a little bit more?

04:43:02.200 Exactly.

04:43:02.640 That's what I was going to say.

04:43:03.180 So that's, I kind of flip that question on you.

04:43:05.020 Well, I mean, so in this specific situation, you had a woman who's a virgin here who slept with the guy relatively quickly.

04:43:11.620 It has really no bearing.

04:43:13.520 Well, I'm talking about just, like, her dating one of the year.

04:43:15.640 Right.

04:43:16.100 But so while I do think the quickness and rapidity with which somebody sleeps with you could be a marker for their promiscuity or past promiscuity or their body count, it doesn't necessarily, like, if a girl sleeps with you quickly, it doesn't necessarily mean that she has a high body count or she's promiscuous.

04:43:37.760 Correct.

04:43:38.220 It could just be that.

04:43:39.640 But she probably does.

04:43:40.620 No, actually, not, not necessarily.

04:43:43.900 It could be a greater indicator.

04:43:46.960 Attraction, yeah.

04:43:47.440 But, I mean, for me, I don't have any qualms with hooking up relatively quickly.

04:43:52.740 Like, it wouldn't devalue?

04:43:54.060 No, it wouldn't.

04:43:55.120 No, I think they're...

04:43:55.880 In your mind as far as how quickly she slept with you, like, whether you were dateable or not.

04:44:01.820 No, I don't think it would have, it certainly wouldn't have any impact on my judgment.

04:44:05.960 Yeah, from all the guys, like, I've experienced going out with, like, they usually don't want to date you if you have sex with them the first time because then they think you're, like, dirty or something.

04:44:19.320 That's just, like...

04:44:19.660 They don't want to turn a hoe into a housewife.

04:44:21.480 Yeah, that's what I've heard.

04:44:23.680 I can't speak for every man, but that's usually what I hear, and that's kind of why I've, like...

04:44:30.120 Because I do, I want to get married someday, and I want to, like, I want a husband, you know?

04:44:35.580 So I'm trying to...

04:44:36.800 Well, I mean, but if, so here's the thing, though, is that typically, I don't think men are going to do this game where they're going to, so they're going to do, I don't think men are going to do this test.

04:44:47.440 So it's, like, they're going to do a test where they're going to attempt to sleep with you, and if you do sleep with him, you have failed the test, and had you not slept with him, he would have otherwise pursued you for a serious and long-term relationship.

04:45:06.480 I don't know if that's, like, a thing a guy would do, is to employ a test.

04:45:14.020 I don't think that would be initial.

04:45:15.100 I don't think they're, like, purposely doing that, but, like, just...

04:45:20.100 Guys have told me that.

04:45:21.640 I don't know.

04:45:21.780 I don't think they purposely do it, though.

04:45:23.320 You can protect yourself a lot better.

04:45:24.680 Isn't this, like, the idea of conquest?

04:45:26.780 Isn't the idea, like, I'm just going to go get another notch in the old belt, and it's not to pursue...

04:45:33.060 And they'll lie about it, right?

04:45:35.460 But it's also, like, yeah, I want to have a long-term relationship with you, baby.

04:45:41.220 I promise.

04:45:42.040 Yeah, but they're less likely to lie five dates in a row.

04:45:44.740 I promise, honey.

04:45:45.500 I really do love you.

04:45:46.920 And then they just, like, ghost you, never talk to you again.

04:45:49.940 But they're likely not going to be doing that.

04:45:51.380 That definitely happens.

04:45:52.740 It definitely happens, but I would say, like, what you're doing makes a lot of sense because guys who have the intentions of just sleeping with a woman are oftentimes not going to go on five dates with the same woman.

04:46:03.560 And they're oftentimes going to want to seal the deal sooner.

04:46:06.420 I don't know.

04:46:06.840 That runs contrary to a lot of the stories I've heard from the women here where they're like, one chick was like, the guy went after her for a year.

04:46:14.700 And then the second he got it, he was out.

04:46:18.700 Yeah.

04:46:19.000 Just like that.

04:46:19.760 Dang.

04:46:20.400 And it's like, I don't know.

04:46:21.660 So I don't know.

04:46:22.100 Well, I think that's, like, the exception, but that's, like, an anomaly.

04:46:24.880 Me and Brian have some disagreements in this arena, right, which is good.

04:46:29.420 But I would say that a really big indicator, and I think most men would agree with me, and most women, that a big indicator of female promiscuity, if she sleeps with you immediately the first night, probably a pretty good indicator.

04:46:43.020 But, I mean, we have an example right here.

04:46:45.080 She was a virgin.

04:46:45.940 It was a low body count.

04:46:46.600 I just want to point that out.

04:46:47.920 But she was a virgin.

04:46:49.000 Her body count was zero.

04:46:51.400 She slept with a guy within, they knew each other for a few hours.

04:46:54.780 But it was a marker of promiscuity.

04:46:56.480 So here, let me kind of, like, throw this back.

04:46:59.340 It actually was a marker of promiscuity because she said after he slept with her, she went in a phase, a promiscuous phase, right, where you slept with multiple men.

04:47:09.760 That's what she said.

04:47:10.020 Not because of that.

04:47:11.960 Yeah, but it was a sign.

04:47:13.080 How would that not be a sign of that?

04:47:15.940 Wouldn't that be a sign of that?

04:47:17.520 Like, if she was willing to sleep with him so quickly, and then as soon as that was done, she slept with multiple other men after that.

04:47:24.620 It was more of, like, a low self-esteem thing.

04:47:25.760 Wait, wait, wait.

04:47:25.900 Let me challenge Andrew on this.

04:47:27.440 All right.

04:47:28.160 Okay.

04:47:28.700 But, so, we have to look at this timeline-wise.

04:47:34.480 Yes, she did go ahead, and afterwards, there was a string of what sounds like one-night stands.

04:47:39.480 In that specific moment, though, when she had just lost her virginity, had she, I mean, time moves in one direction, so she didn't, like, that happened after the fact.

04:47:53.140 So, if you're first to arrive, and then assume it developed into a long-term relationship, for example, it's not clear to me if...

04:48:02.200 Yeah, okay, that's fair.

04:48:03.600 I understand what you're saying.

04:48:05.100 Let me counter, though, by saying, okay, you're guy two, okay, and you go in, and she tells you this story, okay, and then sleeps with you the first night.

04:48:15.540 Do you think she's promiscuous or not?

04:48:16.860 Wait, tells me...

04:48:19.180 Tells this story, how the virginity is gone, sleeps with you that same night.

04:48:24.080 Would you gauge this as being a woman who likely is going to be promiscuous going down the road, or less promiscuous going down the road?

04:48:30.840 And she's already done it.

04:48:32.020 Yeah, so, now you're guy two.

04:48:34.460 You're guy two.

04:48:35.660 Would she be promiscuous down the road?

04:48:37.900 Yeah, would you take it as a sign she's going to be more or less promiscuous if, after this happens with this guy, she sleeps with you immediately first night also?

04:48:46.860 Or would you take it as a sign that she's going to, she made a mistake and is going to be chaste now?

04:48:53.880 That was what I meant when I said I flipped the question around.

04:48:57.100 Yeah, like I said, this is not how I act anymore.

04:49:01.500 I was 17 during this.

04:49:02.880 Yeah, I'm sorry we're talking about you like we're not here.

04:49:06.060 We're totally having a sub-argument and just using you as the focal point.

04:49:09.820 I'm sorry about that, but it's because we're trying to rationalize it, that's all.

04:49:13.340 I don't, it would, I mean, certainly it is a bit more promiscuous than if I was the first one.

04:49:25.780 If I'm number two and I'm hearing the story, losing your virginity within hours of meeting.

04:49:35.580 Yeah, I'm just saying there wouldn't be a number two without number one, right?

04:49:40.760 Because otherwise you're number one.

04:49:44.360 Right.

04:49:45.040 Why would it feel more promiscuous with number one?

04:49:48.460 So I'm just saying it still would be a sign, I think, of promiscuity.

04:49:52.860 Even if a virgin gives it up within, you know, six hours or whatever, that would be still a sign to me of promiscuity.

04:50:00.640 Yes, before that, not promiscuous.

04:50:03.660 So would it be a sign of promiscuity if she did sleep with the first man she ever sleeps with relatively quickly, but they actually ended up in a long-term relationship and got married?

04:50:16.860 Yeah, that wouldn't be a sign of promiscuity then, no.

04:50:20.820 Okay.

04:50:21.260 But if there's a guy two, I think that guy two would objectively say.

04:50:24.880 So guy two establishes the promiscuity if she sleeps with him quickly?

04:50:28.700 Well, I think the fact that you give up the virginity at 17 in eight hours already establishes an idea.

04:50:35.080 Not eight hours, we were talking for like a week.

04:50:37.320 Okay, okay, you were talking for a week.

04:50:38.860 I'm saying in person.

04:50:40.160 In person.

04:50:40.980 In person.

04:50:41.860 I still think that that would be a big red flag to any guy two that this would be a sign of promiscuous behavior going forward.

04:50:49.500 So you would say not to date the woman or simply it would just be a sign of promiscuity?

04:50:55.120 I would say that any reasonable man, I don't know that I would say not to date her, but I'm saying I think any reasonable man who's guy two sleeps with her within a couple of hours, let's say.

04:51:06.420 This is all hypothetical.

04:51:07.580 Again, I'm sorry.

04:51:07.960 But so he would sleep with her after a couple of hours, right?

04:51:11.440 Sure.

04:51:12.240 I think that he would definitely, if he heard that story, go, okay, this chick, she's going to, you know what I mean?

04:51:18.000 She gives it up real quick to a guy.

04:51:20.040 I think that they would establish promiscuity from that, yeah.

04:51:23.020 He would hit it and quit it?

04:51:24.400 Why the double standard though, too?

04:51:26.280 Because we value different things.

04:51:28.160 But why not a woman view the man as a man?

04:51:32.260 I don't know.

04:51:32.840 Well, I do know why women don't view it that way.

04:51:34.740 Why shouldn't it be a red flag for us as well?

04:51:42.720 Because, well, I think it should be.

04:51:45.100 I think it should be a red flag for women if you have a promiscuous man, but it's not.

04:51:51.700 In fact, what I hear is the story of if other women don't desire him and he's not sleeping around, I'm less attracted to him than if more women desire him.

04:52:01.760 Then I'm more attracted to him.

04:52:03.400 That's what I hear more than anything.

04:52:06.020 Yeah.

04:52:06.300 For men, I hear the exact opposite thing.

04:52:08.060 If she's out there sleeping around, I'm totally revolted by it.

04:52:11.760 And so it seems like I tend to.

04:52:15.100 I don't know why, but I do agree.

04:52:16.480 Well, yeah.

04:52:16.960 I tend to agree with you that promiscuity in men and women, bad.

04:52:21.260 Totally against my religion.

04:52:22.360 Well, I think in the men aspect of it, it comes down to spreading your seed, right?

04:52:27.300 I think you can make a good evolutionary argument for this, yes, and that the reason that men tend to stay somewhat revolted by promiscuous women is because of paternal establishment.

04:52:41.800 Correct.

04:52:42.140 So they think, if you're only sleeping with me, your babies are going to be mine, and I know that for sure.

04:52:48.060 Right.

04:52:48.180 And so I can understand – now, I have a different worldview than that, but I think that it's plenty acceptable for most people to at least be able to rationalize this this way.

04:52:58.800 We all get our periods sinking so we can all get pregnant at the same time.

04:53:02.400 Wait.

04:53:02.620 Coming back to this, Andrew.

04:53:04.140 Okay.

04:53:04.800 Coming back to this, Andrew.

04:53:07.000 So, yeah.

04:53:08.180 Spread those seeds.

04:53:09.280 Well, so if I can just play a comparison here, because I think this sort of stemmed from my qualms about, well, you lose your virginity relatively quickly, but now you have this new standard of I'm going to wait five dates for new guys, but I would feel a type of way as a guy if I knew that she lost her virginity, but now she's making me wait five dates.

04:53:32.840 Well, I'm not telling people that.

04:53:34.340 Like, well, I guess I just told her.

04:53:35.760 Like, I don't go on a date with a guy and be like, hey, guess what happened?

04:53:40.320 But then there was this guy, you've been – despite seeing him for a year, you guys aren't boyfriend-girlfriend yet.

04:53:47.780 It's not clear to me if there's a component of monogamy.

04:53:50.760 It's not – if he asked me to be his girlfriend, I would.

04:53:54.220 Have you asked him?

04:53:55.380 No.

04:53:56.020 I'm scared.

04:53:56.680 That's – I mean, that should be on you to be on.

04:53:58.760 Are you guys monogamous?

04:54:01.180 I mean, I'm pretty sure he's seeing other people.

04:54:04.520 Oh, so you're tolerating the whole situation then?

04:54:07.580 Kind of.

04:54:08.660 Yeah.

04:54:09.100 I mean, I don't know.

04:54:10.600 So he's getting his take and eating it too.

04:54:12.320 So you're not making – you're not giving him that ultimatum of, hey, either, like, we're doing this or we're not.

04:54:18.680 You're allowing him to have best of both worlds.

04:54:21.420 It's kind of more like a friends with benefits.

04:54:23.040 Like, I also enjoy his company as a friend.

04:54:25.320 And honestly, we spend more time hanging out as friends rather than –

04:54:28.760 But you've never brought up – like, you don't have any qualms with him sleeping with other women.

04:54:32.840 It doesn't bother you?

04:54:34.340 I've, like – not seriously, no.

04:54:38.000 Like, when he, like, brings up another girl, I, like, roll my eyes and I'd be like, whatever.

04:54:43.820 Don't talk about that.

04:54:44.560 So if I understand this correctly, if I –

04:54:47.140 It does.

04:54:47.740 Yeah, it does.

04:54:48.740 But then again, I'm really afraid of rejection because I like him.

04:54:54.340 I think I understand.

04:54:56.020 Exactly.

04:54:56.780 I know that.

04:54:57.480 Hang on a second.

04:54:58.300 Yeah.

04:54:58.580 I think I understand the situation a little bit.

04:55:00.520 So while this is an undesirable situation for you to be in, you like him to the point.

04:55:08.380 You like him enough that you are going to tolerate this undesirable behavior because having him in your life is more beneficial or more valuable to you than you losing him despite having this undesirable component.

04:55:27.220 You're too far from the mic.

04:55:28.400 I just – I don't do good, like, when things are awkward.

04:55:32.760 So I don't want – like, he's also a good friend of mine.

04:55:37.200 So I don't want to ruin our friendship.

04:55:39.660 By sleeping with him?

04:55:41.200 No.

04:55:42.740 I think that that bus has left the depot, right?

04:55:46.960 I don't want to – like, because I know if I tell him, like, that's how I feel, then he – it's going to be, like, awkward if he says no.

04:55:55.740 But I still want to be his friend.

04:55:57.520 Like, because I enjoy his company.

04:55:59.600 So I know that that's, like, kind of my own fault.

04:56:04.400 And, like, I've been trying to get better about that when leaving, when the situation is, like, not beneficial to me.

04:56:11.620 So I'm aware of it.

04:56:12.860 It's just a matter of I need to.

04:56:14.340 This situation is completely not beneficial to you in any way they perform.

04:56:18.380 I know.

04:56:18.740 I mean, yeah, I know.

04:56:20.140 So a couple things.

04:56:22.160 So are you – you said at one point you did see another guy.

04:56:27.800 Yes, and he knew about that.

04:56:29.740 Was he fine with it?

04:56:30.620 Yes.

04:56:32.740 Cuck.

04:56:33.100 He didn't, like, say, hey, go sleep with another guy.

04:56:41.560 He just doesn't give a shit, right?

04:56:43.100 He just doesn't think of you as anything.

04:56:44.700 He just doesn't really care.

04:56:45.340 Yeah.

04:56:45.760 Well, I think you need to, like, take that at face value.

04:56:49.200 Like, what's happening to you?

04:56:51.120 Yeah, no.

04:56:51.560 But, you know, to Brian's point, I would actually like to hear an answer to this question because Brian, he basically stalemates the board with his fucking pisses me off because I don't have a great – I don't have a great answer to it, right?

04:57:05.260 I don't feel like it's a checkmate, but it's a stalemate.

04:57:07.580 So Brian says this, and this makes sense to me.

04:57:12.440 Okay, so in your early years before you got to me, you were sleeping with everything that was around.

04:57:19.000 And now you get to me and say, I really, really like you and hated all those guys, but you have to wait.

04:57:24.980 From the perspective of the man, that's pretty brutal, right?

04:57:29.300 That's a pretty brutal thing to say is, like, wait, you like me, but I have to wait to experience this.

04:57:37.520 But these other guys you didn't like didn't have to wait can make that make sense, right?

04:57:42.360 And I actually haven't heard a great answer yet for this.

04:57:47.920 I feel like a woman would be trying to do that to try to create value for herself in his eyes if she had done this before but is, like, trying to change her ways and show this to him that he would value her more

04:58:03.920 and be more likely to date her rather than, oh, I can just hit it and quit it tonight and never talk to her again because maybe she's really into Brian and really wants him to value her and see the words in her.

04:58:14.800 So she's trying to change her way in that way and have him value her that way.

04:58:20.060 I don't think a woman by withholding sex has ever negotiated her way into a long-term relationship by simple virtue of her withholding sex.

04:58:35.300 Because I think what would either happen is that if he's interested in you and he'd be inclined to have a relationship with you, it's not clear to me if having sex with him will prevent him from still wanting to pursue a relationship with you.

04:58:51.300 I think in some guys it will.

04:58:54.320 But then wouldn't it just be a manipulation tactic?

04:58:57.340 Could be.

04:58:57.780 So isn't it a false – but this is where he stalemates it and why it pisses me off because of that answer, right?

04:59:03.780 So that answer is what it creates value for me in his eyes, right?

04:59:08.380 Okay, but if it didn't, if that didn't, would you still sleep with him the first night?

04:59:13.880 And the answer is, well, yeah.

04:59:16.260 It's like, so then aren't you faking virtue?

04:59:19.860 And that is when – and that's when Brian says –

04:59:23.920 She doesn't want to sleep with him on the first night.

04:59:25.440 No, no, no, but hang on, hang on.

04:59:28.400 So what Brian says here, right, as frustrating as it is, because I don't have the great response to this, how's that not faking virtue if she – and so remember the entailment here is I do this to create value for me in your eyes.

04:59:44.260 But if that doesn't create value in my eyes, but instead sleeping with you creates that value, would you do that?

04:59:53.420 The answer would have to be yes because that's what you're creating the value for, right?

04:59:57.460 And he says, well, then you're faking virtue.

05:00:00.460 And it's like, I don't know how to get around that exactly.

05:00:03.420 That's a good point.

05:00:04.200 It's a good point.

05:00:05.000 I think like her level of comfort also makes sense, though, that she's not going to want to sleep with someone after her first day after what she's been given, the experience she was given.

05:00:14.260 Yeah, I'm not even disagreeing that that's true.

05:00:17.460 Or not knowing what his value would be.

05:00:18.800 I also want to say that I don't set a time limit where I tell them, like, I'm not sleeping with you until we go on five dates.

05:00:27.820 I purposely don't on the first date.

05:00:30.700 And, like, if it feels right, not on the first date, but, like, I don't put a time limit on it.

05:00:36.360 It's basically what I'm saying.

05:00:37.240 Well, listen, I understand because what you guys are doing is you're kind of individualizing this, which is fine, right?

05:00:43.700 You can individualize it.

05:00:44.780 Maybe their preference isn't this.

05:00:46.340 I agree with you, right?

05:00:47.320 But if it is that I'm making you wait not because I wouldn't sleep with you if I thought that that created the value, but instead of making you wait because I think it creates value to you for me that I don't do this, then I don't see how an entailment of that isn't I'm faking virtue.

05:01:05.820 I just – I can't see how to rationalize it.

05:01:08.400 Can you –

05:01:09.020 The only thing that makes me think – the only way I can rationalize it a little bit, and I don't even think I agree with it, I'm just trying to, like, put the pieces together in my brain, is if you are going out with the intent to prove the virtue to yourself and not the man, you're going out there to prove it.

05:01:23.660 But isn't that cope?

05:01:24.740 No, I –

05:01:25.560 It's totally cope.

05:01:26.240 That's why I'm saying.

05:01:27.460 The only way I can rationalize it in my head is, like, you have, I don't know, some come-to-Jesus moment and you realize this is how you're going to rationalize it to yourself moving forward.

05:01:35.900 But I think Brian's got us there.

05:01:37.500 Yeah, it's a bad one.

05:01:39.660 It doesn't – so I'm going to destroy this argument.

05:01:43.120 Not today, but I will.

05:01:45.640 It is a stalemate because it's true, right?

05:01:49.220 If the answer is I would do this if I thought this was more pleasing, instead I'm doing this because I think to him it creates more value.

05:01:56.740 He sees me differently.

05:01:58.380 And if we took that out of the equation, I don't see how it's not faking virtue.

05:02:02.000 But this also has to be –

05:02:04.640 I think it's just unsure.

05:02:07.500 I'm also doing – like, I'm also doing it to, like, not get myself hurt because for me, when I do sleep with someone, I normally get feelings for them.

05:02:23.540 So, like, waiting will help me, like, see if this person is someone I actually really do want to date.

05:02:30.580 But so here's where it gets complicated, all right?

05:02:35.400 So this whole waiting for sex thing becomes a bit more believable when a woman has a track record of upholding it.

05:02:42.960 But you said that – so this guy who you've currently been seeing, you made him wait five dates, if I recall?

05:02:48.600 Probably about – I didn't, like, say five dates.

05:02:51.260 But that's what happened.

05:02:52.180 Estimating, yeah.

05:02:53.000 Okay.

05:02:53.360 But then in between that, you said there was one guy who you had a – you hooked up with immediately.

05:03:01.040 Yeah.

05:03:01.520 So it's not an actual value you hold.

05:03:04.320 It's just sort of this arbitrary thing.

05:03:06.100 Can't her values change?

05:03:07.680 Couldn't she have had a different value when she first slept with the guy?

05:03:10.480 So, like, snip, snap, snip, snap, back and forth.

05:03:11.840 So one day –

05:03:12.500 That doesn't sound like a snip, snap.

05:03:13.520 It sounds like she had a bad experience.

05:03:15.320 No, no, no.

05:03:15.700 But hold on.

05:03:16.200 Hold on.

05:03:16.660 So this is the timeline here.

05:03:18.320 And I don't know the full timeline because I don't know all the people you've dated.

05:03:23.720 Lost your virginity quickly.

05:03:27.640 Waited – made – then made this guy wait five dates.

05:03:31.200 I was in a long-term relationship before, though.

05:03:32.380 But further – okay, I know.

05:03:34.020 I'm excluding things.

05:03:34.940 Then further along in the timeline, you reverted back to sleeping with somebody quickly.

05:03:41.560 So that is a back and forth.

05:03:44.140 Yeah.

05:03:44.200 Lost her virginity easily.

05:03:45.720 Made this guy wait five dates.

05:03:48.460 One night stand.

05:03:49.380 One night stand or whatever it was.

05:03:51.340 Yeah.

05:03:51.640 And that's definitely, like –

05:03:53.320 That's a flip-flop.

05:03:54.340 It is.

05:03:55.380 And I've been trying to better myself in that way because I don't want to just give it up on the first date.

05:04:01.620 So, like, I've been actively working on it.

05:04:03.480 I want to have that value.

05:04:05.000 But sometimes, like, my self-esteem gets low.

05:04:07.660 And a lot of the times, like, when I have sex with somebody, it brings it up for some reason.

05:04:12.420 I can't say exactly why, but that's just how it is.

05:04:17.060 I know that that's not necessarily a healthy way of thinking, which is why I'm actively trying to change it.

05:04:22.740 Well, so here's kind of, I guess, the perspective that I'm trying to get at.

05:04:26.880 So if I can sort of flip the script a little bit.

05:04:29.740 But this would be like a guy saying when it comes to, like, okay, you have casual sex with these guys in your past.

05:04:37.280 And then the guy who you actually want a relationship with, you make him wait.

05:04:42.140 Be like me saying, you don't understand.

05:04:46.840 Those women were just for hookups.

05:04:48.780 So, of course – I have notes on this.

05:04:51.080 I'm going to be reading off the notes.

05:04:52.420 Of course, I bought them expensive stuff.

05:04:56.020 I took them to the best dining places.

05:04:58.200 I even paid their bills.

05:04:59.880 But you're different from them.

05:05:01.100 I actually see you as a potential girlfriend wife.

05:05:03.620 So you have to wait for those benefits.

05:05:06.360 So we should go out to McDonald's, and you should pay, by the way.

05:05:12.320 Once again, I'm not purposely making them wait.

05:05:14.960 Are you just going on dates with women that have –

05:05:17.420 Yeah, no, I understand the point as well, and I'm trying to explain myself.

05:05:23.300 Like, my values have changed since that time.

05:05:27.200 So, yeah, that's all.

05:05:30.760 No.

05:05:32.040 I think we've got to do what's going on there.

05:05:33.280 Did you have something on this?

05:05:34.820 It sounded like you had something on this.

05:05:37.320 Me?

05:05:37.720 Yeah.

05:05:38.980 Healing is not a linear process, so it makes sense that she has to take steps back to take steps forward.

05:05:43.980 Because you said – we were talking about the flip-flops, but it's a very, very common occurrence when someone is changing their moral view that they're going to fall back on it.

05:05:53.800 Sure.

05:05:54.380 And they're going to change.

05:05:55.320 Right.

05:05:55.620 And that's okay.

05:05:56.180 That's part of growth.

05:05:57.300 Yeah, that's cool for her, but I'm trying to explain the male perspective and why a guy might view this as bullshit or frustrating.

05:06:06.300 Does that make sense?

05:06:06.940 Yeah.

05:06:07.380 She can do whatever she wants.

05:06:09.020 I think if a guy truly, genuinely values you and wants to be with you, then he will be willing to wait.

05:06:16.140 I don't think a man that is unwilling to wait – I think that says a lot about who they are as a person, a lot more than the woman.

05:06:22.680 I think a woman who truly likes you, even though she knows that you treated every single girl prior to her that you've been with, whether it was long-term relationship or maybe we can even exclude long-term relationships, and she knows that you've had some casual hookups, one-night stands.

05:06:41.800 And you would pay for the casual hookups, you would bring them on trips, you would do all these things, you would provide, you would protect.

05:06:50.300 But now that all of a sudden he really likes you and you really like him, he wants to actually pull back on providing.

05:07:00.600 He doesn't want to pay for dates for you because you're the one.

05:07:03.340 You're the one, but he doesn't want to provide.

05:07:05.440 And you know that all his prior relationships and girlfriends and women he's hooked up with got far better treatment.

05:07:15.080 You wouldn't be upset about that as a girl?

05:07:17.620 Yeah, but I think that's very different than waiting for someone to have sex with you.

05:07:22.360 How is that?

05:07:23.220 Because I don't think that –

05:07:24.320 It's an analogy, so it's not a one-to-one.

05:07:26.660 Yeah.

05:07:27.820 It doesn't – what's the term?

05:07:31.440 It doesn't like print on one-to-one.

05:07:33.360 I just don't think it's fair to assume a woman –

05:07:35.680 It's not typically, yeah.

05:07:37.220 I don't think it should be expected of her to give it up easily on the first date because she made the mistake the first time.

05:07:43.760 No, she doesn't have to.

05:07:45.820 I'm just sharing the guy's perspective here.

05:07:48.340 I understand the guy's perspective.

05:07:50.500 Because I'm bi.

05:07:51.420 I date women.

05:07:51.940 If a woman came to me and told me her story, my first thought wouldn't be, man, it's so unfair that I don't get sex right now.

05:07:59.020 I would think, that's so awful that you went through that.

05:08:01.420 I'm so sorry that you experienced that trauma.

05:08:03.480 Who's saying that something awful –

05:08:04.180 Let's wait for that.

05:08:04.580 Who's saying that something awful happened?

05:08:05.640 What she experienced was kind of awful.

05:08:08.580 You think it was abuse?

05:08:09.460 I've never said that.

05:08:10.220 Don't put words in my mouth.

05:08:11.420 She had a quirky hookup situation.

05:08:12.480 Yeah, I didn't get any trauma or anything from it.

05:08:14.920 I mean –

05:08:15.240 That's not trauma.

05:08:16.340 It wasn't an ideal first time.

05:08:17.600 She consents.

05:08:18.360 She had consensual sex.

05:08:19.720 Why are you trying to paint it like pathologize the situation?

05:08:23.300 I'm not pathologizing the situation.

05:08:24.420 I mean, you have a tendency to do that, but go on.

05:08:26.800 Do not.

05:08:27.980 You're saying what?

05:08:28.820 This woman has abuse.

05:08:31.260 It sounded like, overall, from what she explained, it was not an overall positive experience.

05:08:36.200 It's not how I personally –

05:08:37.100 It's not abuse if you had a negative experience.

05:08:38.480 I never said it was abuse.

05:08:39.360 I never said it was abuse.

05:08:41.780 I never once said abuse.

05:08:42.280 You said trauma.

05:08:43.940 Yeah.

05:08:44.460 You can get trauma from something that's not abuse.

05:08:46.560 So, like, having a, like –

05:08:50.000 I think that, like –

05:08:50.580 Having a regretful hookup –

05:08:51.520 I don't want to speak for her and say –

05:08:54.060 I do not have trauma from this.

05:08:55.720 Yeah, that was weird for her.

05:08:56.700 Let's say she really regretted it.

05:08:58.960 Yeah.

05:08:59.140 Is that trauma?

05:09:01.200 No.

05:09:01.740 No, and actually, having shame is a very good thing in society.

05:09:04.800 We have lost the ability to have shame about things that are shameful, and you cannot

05:09:09.260 grow and you cannot learn without shame and regret.

05:09:11.680 I agree.

05:09:12.080 That's exactly why I've been trying to change.

05:09:16.440 It's okay.

05:09:17.280 My entire point was to not speak for her and whether her experience was traumatizing or

05:09:20.920 not.

05:09:21.140 My entire point was if I heard from a person that I was interested in dating that they

05:09:27.680 had prior negative experiences and they said, because of my negative experiences, I want

05:09:33.440 to wait until the fifth date, I would respect that.

05:09:36.100 I would not see any problem with that.

05:09:36.780 As long as you're totally fine, if a man had a negative experience and you're saying

05:09:44.180 that the woman is not allowed to feel a certain type of way, if she finds out that a guy that

05:09:49.160 she's dating treated his exes in this sort of way, bought food, bought gifts, paid for

05:09:57.320 dates, took her on trips, whatever it is.

05:10:00.480 I think that's a very common thing.

05:10:01.900 I think a lot of guys with their first loves, they do overpour and they do overgift and they

05:10:07.280 do, and they learn from that situation and they do take steps back and they do pull back.

05:10:11.000 And I think that's a very healthy response to being taken advantage of.

05:10:15.620 I'm not sitting here and saying her situation, she got taken advantage of.

05:10:18.460 What you're explaining is a man who got taken advantage of by their first love.

05:10:22.940 So as a result, now going into their next relationships, yeah, they probably are not going to be going

05:10:29.040 all out again because they're trying to protect themselves.

05:10:31.800 And I think that's a really healthy response.

05:10:34.260 I think what she's experienced, what she told me, it seems like she's having a very healthy

05:10:39.040 response and learning from a mistake.

05:10:43.020 Except you're including one component in here.

05:10:46.520 I'm not saying in these scenarios, hypothetical scenarios, that the woman mistreated the man.

05:10:53.020 I'm not saying that they had a bad experience because they did these things by getting a

05:11:02.720 woman gifts, paying for dates, et cetera.

05:11:05.240 I'm just saying a woman might feel like, hold on, does she really care?

05:11:11.280 Or excuse me, does he really care about me?

05:11:13.120 Because in all his other relationships, he did the most for his girlfriends.

05:11:17.120 Am I just like sex to him?

05:11:18.900 Does he not really care about me because in all his other relationships, he did X, Y, Z.

05:11:23.920 I'm not getting X, Y, Z.

05:11:25.700 Am I less important to him because of that?

05:11:28.760 What's going on here?

05:11:30.020 So you would feel less important if a woman lost her virginity within eight hours and wanted

05:11:35.300 to make you wait five dates?

05:11:37.340 I would think it's a raw deal.

05:11:40.120 I understand.

05:11:40.960 I get more of what you're saying now.

05:11:43.720 I get more of what Brian's point is.

05:11:46.740 He has got to still meet there.

05:11:49.520 Yeah, I get the point.

05:11:50.560 But don't you think it's good for people to learn from their past?

05:11:53.300 I think it's an enormous green flag because it shows that she went through a past experience

05:12:00.340 and she learned from it and she grew.

05:12:02.100 And that, to me personally, is incredibly important when you're looking for a partner.

05:12:05.720 You're forgetting the arbitrary nature with which she has this standard because she stated herself

05:12:12.700 that she lost her virginity quickly, made this new guy wait five dates, and then after that

05:12:18.940 slept with somebody quickly.

05:12:20.360 It's a totally arbitrary virtue or value.

05:12:26.200 So where is the growth there?

05:12:27.880 If you make a guy wait three months to have sex with him and then immediately once you break

05:12:33.900 up with him, you go and fuck a guy the first night after meeting him after the breakup.

05:12:39.460 You would look back at that and be like, wait, why did I, she went and fucked this guy immediately

05:12:44.640 but I waited three months?

05:12:46.240 So it was never about virtue.

05:12:47.400 It was never about value.

05:12:48.620 It was just some arbitrary thing.

05:12:50.300 She was trying to withhold sex to get compliance from me in some way, essentially a gain.

05:12:55.160 Fake virtue.

05:12:56.120 No, I genuinely wasn't trying to do that.

05:12:58.160 Like I was genuinely trying to be better for myself.

05:13:00.640 You don't think you were.

05:13:01.540 Okay.

05:13:01.920 Did they, just want to.

05:13:03.000 So just, just so you understand, and this is that thing I was talking about earlier where

05:13:06.800 sometimes when you're talking about a situation, you think, it's directed at me.

05:13:11.300 It's, it's really not directed at you.

05:13:13.280 It's just parsing this idea of the perception of how a man might feel under these situations,

05:13:19.020 right?

05:13:19.480 So I can understand how a man would feel that he was getting the raw end of the deal.

05:13:25.760 Yeah.

05:13:25.920 Or that he was being emotionally manipulated or that a woman was faking virtue.

05:13:29.720 I can understand.

05:13:30.640 Whether, whether that was your motivation or not.

05:13:33.140 Yeah.

05:13:33.420 I just assume it wasn't.

05:13:35.360 I'm just explaining that from the male perspective, I can, I can understand why they would think

05:13:40.380 that.

05:13:40.820 I can understand.

05:13:41.580 I can understand that more.

05:13:44.300 Anyways, let me read a couple of chats here.

05:13:46.320 We have William, the Mars.

05:13:48.540 Thank you, man.

05:13:49.140 One of the most valuable things a woman can give to a man is her purity.

05:13:52.120 Once that value is gone, it's gone forever.

05:13:55.760 Okay.

05:13:56.080 William, appreciate it.

05:13:57.180 Thank you for the super chat.

05:13:58.100 Thank you.

05:13:58.400 Thank you.

05:13:59.360 Gone for, gone forever.

05:14:01.300 Is it gone forever?

05:14:02.180 I don't know.

05:14:02.600 Thank you.

05:14:02.980 All right.

05:14:03.260 Appreciate it, man.

05:14:04.000 We have a lot of chats here.

05:14:05.280 You're not.

05:14:05.920 Well, you can't get your, you're not getting the behind me.

05:14:08.100 It's nice.

05:14:08.960 You can't get the virginity back.

05:14:10.580 Okay.

05:14:12.880 Props again to blue shirt.

05:14:14.140 Wait, did I already read this one?

05:14:15.800 Props again to blue shirt for visiting her child.

05:14:18.460 She put up for adoption.

05:14:19.340 W woman angels are rejoicing over you and your child.

05:14:22.380 When is the Coomer Gremlin going to be allowed on?

05:14:24.600 Andrew is a heretic.

05:14:26.820 What was that last part?

05:14:28.040 I think he's talking about destiny.

05:14:29.220 Coomer?

05:14:29.740 Okay.

05:14:30.340 Giovanni.

05:14:31.540 I don't know.

05:14:32.100 Maybe eventually we'll get, we'll get him on.

05:14:34.920 All right.

05:14:35.500 We have lull paladins here.

05:14:37.100 I did like how you softened the blow of heretic with Coomer Gremlin.

05:14:40.760 That was good.

05:14:42.200 Bad logic, Andrew.

05:14:43.220 You just heard a perfect example of a woman that was willing to sleep with a man within an

05:14:46.760 hour.

05:14:47.140 Her body count was zero.

05:14:48.160 So this is why men prefer younger women, easier, less baggage.

05:14:52.140 Yeah, but I, but I actually, but I actually brought that point up.

05:14:55.260 Wait, why?

05:14:55.740 Why would that, why would that be gross?

05:14:57.220 Yeah.

05:14:57.360 Wait, why is that gross?

05:14:58.100 Re-resave the comment.

05:14:59.320 That sounded really gross.

05:15:00.420 Okay.

05:15:00.660 I'll pull back up.

05:15:01.100 You said that men prefer younger women because they have less baggage.

05:15:03.360 Yes, because that's, yeah, that's a gross, gross, gross, gross, gross thing to say.

05:15:07.320 No, gross, gross, gross, gross.

05:15:09.120 It's gross to target younger women because they have, it's predatory.

05:15:13.980 It's extremely predatory.

05:15:15.600 How?

05:15:15.740 How's it predatory?

05:15:16.640 To target younger women because they have less experience.

05:15:21.660 So that's something that like abusers and groomers purposely say they look for victims.

05:15:27.120 They look for people that are less experienced.

05:15:29.880 So this is the feminist loaded language.

05:15:33.040 So you said that green in your hair.

05:15:35.100 Yeah.

05:15:35.420 So, so you use the term targeted predatory, right?

05:15:40.460 Yes.

05:15:41.080 So couldn't I just say that women target wealthy and successful men?

05:15:46.620 And they're predatory for targeting wealthy and successful men?

05:15:50.620 Yeah.

05:15:51.340 Or is it just the reality, the sort of evolutionary biological reality that women tend to be attracted to men of status, men of means?

05:16:02.260 For, there's a couple reasons there.

05:16:05.320 One, a guy high status could have certain benefits to her and her children, right?

05:16:11.460 So why is that any different than men preferring a younger woman who would be a better partner because she has, could have less baggage?

05:16:20.200 She's not a better partner because she's younger.

05:16:22.200 She's just easier to manipulate.

05:16:24.880 That's genuinely, that's genuinely a thing that happened.

05:16:28.320 I could actually make this other argument.

05:16:30.200 Like very, very often.

05:16:31.000 Actually, so I can make another argument.

05:16:33.800 So a woman who's say 33 and still single, she is perhaps because of, you know, the time clock when it comes to pregnancy.

05:16:40.300 Look, you can get pregnant well into your late 30s, 40s.

05:16:43.640 I can actually just make this argument about easier to manipulate.

05:16:47.940 A woman who's a little more pressed to get into a relationship, she's easier to manipulate because she's like time's ticking.

05:16:57.160 And I can manipulate, hold on, let me make the argument.

05:17:00.360 I can manipulate her better because she has a, she has a greater desire.

05:17:09.480 No, there's another word I'm thinking of.

05:17:11.440 A greater urgency.

05:17:13.400 Because of her greater urgency to enter into a relationship, she must be easier to manipulate.

05:17:19.280 That example also sounds like you're a gross person.

05:17:22.640 That doesn't, that example is not less gross.

05:17:25.040 That does not make him sound like you're a gross person.

05:17:26.400 But you're saying, you're making him sound predatory.

05:17:28.340 But you're saying by virtue of somebody's.

05:17:31.060 Well, he's saying that this person is purposely manipulating a woman that is gross.

05:17:33.000 No, he's not manipulating anything.

05:17:34.540 I'm saying.

05:17:34.860 He used the word manipulation.

05:17:36.060 No, no, no.

05:17:36.460 You made the claim that younger women are easy to manipulate.

05:17:40.400 But I could say that.

05:17:41.220 They are.

05:17:41.860 Right.

05:17:42.540 But, hold on.

05:17:44.260 I am making the argument that you could manipulate somebody at an older age for other reasons.

05:17:51.320 Yes, that's also disgusting and predatory.

05:17:55.680 But also, that's also not an overwhelming problem in our society.

05:18:01.140 But why do you jump to the conclusion?

05:18:02.780 Neither is age gap relationships.

05:18:03.820 Why do you jump to the conclusion that a man who airs.

05:18:07.800 It is.

05:18:08.160 I got hit on considerably more by older men when I was 16 than when I was 18.

05:18:12.620 Okay, not interested in talking about.

05:18:14.800 We're not talking about that.

05:18:15.980 Yeah, I'm talking about adult relationships.

05:18:18.180 So, we're talking about 18 and over.

05:18:19.040 Okay, so we'll talk fresh 18.

05:18:20.240 So, young woman means adult 18 and over.

05:18:21.260 What does fresh 18 mean?

05:18:23.080 They just turned 18.

05:18:23.800 So, what?

05:18:24.740 Can they vote?

05:18:26.340 Yes, but your brain is not fully developed until you are 25.

05:18:29.040 Then why are you voting?

05:18:30.140 Then why are you voting at 18?

05:18:32.500 Because it's different.

05:18:33.600 Why?

05:18:34.340 How's it different?

05:18:34.760 Because.

05:18:35.340 Okay, so first of all, that law is.

05:18:36.260 So, you can vote to affect my life?

05:18:38.440 Do you know why that law is set into place and why 18 is considered an adult?

05:18:41.700 It's so that they can enlist young people into the military because.

05:18:44.700 Wait, young people?

05:18:45.560 Based on our physical.

05:18:46.080 Young people or young men?

05:18:47.700 Men.

05:18:48.300 Okay.

05:18:48.640 Young men.

05:18:49.040 I just wanted to clarify that.

05:18:50.440 Because at 18 is when they are physically able to serve.

05:18:54.240 Nope.

05:18:54.380 That is based on a team.

05:18:54.940 Actually, 16 year olds.

05:18:56.460 It is not based off of.

05:18:59.480 Oh, 18 is fully formed.

05:19:00.840 Your brain is not fully formed until 25.

05:19:02.760 Wait, so just to be clear.

05:19:03.100 You're fine.

05:19:03.500 I'm not saying that any 26 year old going for an 18 year old is predatory and problematic.

05:19:09.040 However, that is a big issue that I do see often.

05:19:13.240 I do see a lot of women, young women, 18 women, fresh into the dating scene getting taken advantage

05:19:19.920 of by 30 year olds.

05:19:21.120 How do you know they're getting?

05:19:21.980 This is so common.

05:19:22.740 What evidence do you have that they're getting taken advantage of?

05:19:26.120 Is it simply by virtue of them dating?

05:19:28.780 Their experience.

05:19:30.060 How is that?

05:19:30.520 They speak about it.

05:19:31.760 How do you know their experiences?

05:19:32.400 And they speak about it.

05:19:33.300 And abusers and groomers specifically have been interviewed and have talked about the fact that they go for younger women because they're easier to mold.

05:19:42.240 You have to stop making every man as if they're like being a predator.

05:19:45.960 Actually, I'm willing to totally.

05:19:46.980 I don't believe every man is.

05:19:47.880 I'm totally willing to engage with this.

05:19:49.640 I think that.

05:19:50.040 But a lot.

05:19:51.000 But it is a problem.

05:19:51.320 I think at this point.

05:19:52.600 I think this point is fine.

05:19:53.620 Not all men.

05:19:54.600 Not all.

05:19:55.040 Not all men are abusers.

05:19:56.240 Not all men are rapists.

05:19:57.560 But an overwhelming majority of women have had a negative experience with a man.

05:20:02.820 Totally agree.

05:20:03.540 And that is fact.

05:20:03.980 So let's back up.

05:20:05.620 I just want to make sure I understand.

05:20:07.440 Mm-hmm.

05:20:08.140 When should women be considered adults?

05:20:09.740 I think women should be considered an adult and make an adult decision probably around 25.

05:20:16.580 Because of the prefrontal load?

05:20:17.680 I would.

05:20:18.180 Because of the prefrontal load.

05:20:19.320 Mm-hmm.

05:20:19.340 Yes.

05:20:19.880 The prefrontal load that begins degrading immediately after 25.

05:20:22.600 I believe that a woman who's 25 is very different than a girl who's 18.

05:20:28.780 That's so different.

05:20:30.560 Wildly different.

05:20:31.420 Why?

05:20:31.600 They have wildly different viewpoints.

05:20:32.760 Why are they different at 25?

05:20:34.020 They're inexperienced.

05:20:35.820 Okay.

05:20:36.160 But no, that's not what you said.

05:20:37.520 Prefrontal lobe.

05:20:37.780 Wait, wait, wait.

05:20:38.040 And the prefrontal lobe is also affected.

05:20:39.460 Okay, so hang on.

05:20:41.080 If you're going to make this justification, I need you to actually make it.

05:20:44.340 Okay.

05:20:44.960 Are you an adult at 25 because your prefrontal lobe is fully developed?

05:20:48.640 I would say that's a factor.

05:20:49.920 It's also experience.

05:20:51.500 Okay, but experience is...

05:20:53.040 And I would say...

05:20:53.640 Hang on, hang on.

05:20:54.620 It's a direct...

05:20:54.960 A 21-year-old is like a young adult, but...

05:20:56.700 But experience is arbitrary.

05:20:58.060 You can have 19, 18-year-olds far more experience than 25-year-olds.

05:21:01.620 Yes.

05:21:02.120 That is a factor, for sure.

05:21:03.220 Because that is so, there's no way that we could base adulthood on experience.

05:21:06.980 There would be no test we could give for experience.

05:21:09.480 No.

05:21:09.780 So if you're looking for physicality, the prefrontal lobe is it?

05:21:15.320 For physicality, yes.

05:21:16.840 Well, then if that is the case, don't you think that women should not be able to vote until 25?

05:21:22.120 I wouldn't say women shouldn't be able to vote.

05:21:24.300 I would say...

05:21:24.820 Well, we're talking about women being able to consent.

05:21:27.800 So you don't think they should be able to consent until they're 25?

05:21:29.720 I think voting...

05:21:31.140 I'm not saying that no one can consent.

05:21:33.580 I'm not saying no one can vote.

05:21:34.520 But I thought they weren't adults.

05:21:35.260 I'm not saying that every single woman that is 30, she's 18, he's a 30-year-old.

05:21:41.660 I'm not saying every single instance is a woman getting taken advantage of.

05:21:44.780 Listen, I'm just following your logic.

05:21:47.180 Are they adults at 25 or before?

05:21:48.900 Because I feel like you're making a very broad blanket statement, and I'm not making a broad blanket statement.

05:21:53.060 I'm saying this is a problem that is happening.

05:21:55.600 There are men that are doing this.

05:21:57.120 Not all men.

05:21:57.760 So when are women adults?

05:21:59.200 When?

05:22:00.440 When are they adults?

05:22:01.600 Adults?

05:22:01.840 I would say a human...

05:22:03.520 I would consider an adult woman 25.

05:22:05.480 If you consider them to only be adults at 25, why the fuck would you ever advocate that men or women can ever make any decision which would impact their life in the long term before the age of 25, including consenting to sex?

05:22:18.560 Because that's just the world we live in.

05:22:20.860 That's not an answer.

05:22:22.260 And also, but the age of consent is also not 18.

05:22:27.820 It depends state to state.

05:22:29.440 It's very, very different.

05:22:30.160 Yeah, but I would guess that you would want to eliminate that for non-adults, right?

05:22:35.480 It depends on the age range.

05:22:37.300 I think an 18-year-old having sex with an 18-year-old is very different than a 30-year-old having sex with an 18-year-old.

05:22:42.360 Yeah, we'll go with that.

05:22:43.320 I think it's a very, very different dynamic.

05:22:44.780 Yeah, we'll go with that.

05:22:45.420 But if you're not smart enough or competent enough or experienced enough to make a decision about who you want to sleep with, regardless of their age, why the fuck would we give you consent to sleep with anyone?

05:22:58.440 You're not experienced enough to make those decisions, right?

05:23:01.460 Because it's not...

05:23:02.320 It doesn't apply to all, and I'm not saying it applies to all.

05:23:05.580 Again, I never said every single...

05:23:07.320 I've never said...

05:23:08.080 You did say all.

05:23:08.760 I've never said every single situation.

05:23:09.420 I asked you when all women are adults.

05:23:11.460 When are all of them adults?

05:23:13.180 I guess...

05:23:13.860 Okay, then I'll rechange my statement.

05:23:16.180 It depends on the person.

05:23:17.780 It depends on...

05:23:17.940 So how could you ever create a metric for it then?

05:23:20.740 I think that people who are 25 should be going for people who are around the same age range.

05:23:26.100 I think it's a very huge red flag when men who are 23 and older are going for 18-year-olds, especially 18-year-olds that are...

05:23:33.940 There's 18-year-olds that are still in high school.

05:23:35.840 So?

05:23:36.080 They're graduating high school.

05:23:37.520 So you think someone in high school should date someone who's a grown adult who has a 9-to-5 job?

05:23:42.840 When are they adults?

05:23:44.600 It's weird.

05:23:44.660 It's weird.

05:23:45.480 That's what I'm saying.

05:23:46.180 What makes it...

05:23:46.720 Okay, let's get into this.

05:23:47.660 It's gross.

05:23:48.140 It's weird.

05:23:48.780 Just saying...

05:23:49.260 Because it gives you the ick?

05:23:50.560 It gives you the ick?

05:23:51.380 Yeah, it gives me the ick.

05:23:51.820 Can you give me an actual argument other than it gives me the ick?

05:23:54.700 Like an actual argument for why this is wrong?

05:23:57.600 Yes, it puts a lot of women in...

05:24:00.200 Having that blanket, it puts a lot of women in very, very uncomfortable situations.

05:24:05.720 What are all the women that it puts...

05:24:06.980 Okay, but that's...

05:24:07.780 You haven't...

05:24:08.280 Hang on.

05:24:08.820 Every relationship can do that.

05:24:10.160 They are choosing to make that decision.

05:24:11.880 Yeah.

05:24:12.220 All...

05:24:12.400 That doesn't mean that it's not gross.

05:24:13.900 That doesn't mean that men that are purposely 30 years old targeting 18-year-olds are not

05:24:18.260 a problem.

05:24:18.860 It doesn't mean they're not a gross human being.

05:24:20.060 Do you think that based on the fact that...

05:24:21.500 Just because they legally can.

05:24:22.420 Okay.

05:24:22.820 Do you think...

05:24:23.480 I don't know they may be gross.

05:24:24.000 Do you think that you should be able to outlaw it?

05:24:26.240 No.

05:24:26.960 Well, then how much of a problem could it be?

05:24:29.580 Don't you usually outlaw behavior that's problematic?

05:24:31.980 It's something...

05:24:32.000 It's something...

05:24:32.240 All I said was gross.

05:24:32.700 I said, ew.

05:24:33.760 That's just...

05:24:34.400 I disagreed with it.

05:24:35.000 I can disagree with an opinion.

05:24:36.640 That doesn't mean we're going to base a law off of my opinion.

05:24:39.580 Okay, so you...

05:24:40.040 I don't speak for an entire country.

05:24:41.540 Okay, so you don't think...

05:24:42.460 I speak for me.

05:24:43.260 So you...

05:24:43.780 And I think that that's gross.

05:24:45.220 Yeah, you just think it's icky.

05:24:46.480 I think that's extremely icky.

05:24:48.000 Yeah, sure.

05:24:48.600 But you don't actually have an argument...

05:24:50.000 Any 18-year-old, 19-year-old women that are watching this podcast...

05:24:53.880 I agree.

05:24:54.840 I would steer clear from...

05:24:57.000 I would say most men who are like 23 trying to date 18-year-olds, it's because they're

05:25:02.340 unable to get women their own age because they lack maturity.

05:25:04.680 So let's move it back, okay, before you go off on these other diatribes, and we'll just

05:25:09.340 stick with the one.

05:25:10.640 Can you actually make a moral argument for why it would be wrong for a 30-year-old man

05:25:16.020 to date an 18-year-old girl if they both consent to it?

05:25:18.720 No, it's like a red flag.

05:25:20.120 So it's not like...

05:25:21.120 It's kind of like you were saying with a flight attendant.

05:25:24.200 It's a red flag because there is flight attendants that maybe aren't sleeping with a bunch of

05:25:28.240 guys, but there is a stereotype there that most of them are sleeping with a lot of guys.

05:25:32.380 So no, not all 30-year-olds who are dating 18-year-olds have negative intentions.

05:25:37.320 However, I would say a lot too.

05:25:39.600 There is a stereotype about it.

05:25:41.100 There is a lot of conversation about it.

05:25:41.740 I'm going to give you the caveat distinction.

05:25:43.860 I would say that a flight attendant who is sleeping with a lot of men is doing something

05:25:48.080 immoral.

05:25:49.500 Right.

05:25:50.140 Would you give me...

05:25:51.040 You don't think a 30-year-old is taking advantage of an 18-year-old?

05:25:52.600 Yeah, so I'm asking you to make a moral argument like I just did.

05:25:56.880 Right.

05:25:57.020 That thing, immoral.

05:25:58.780 What about 30-year-old with 18-year-olds actually immoral?

05:26:02.040 When they're both consenting.

05:26:03.520 Yeah.

05:26:04.320 It's just really...

05:26:05.680 The fact that you don't see a problem with it is insane.

05:26:08.660 Just say it's icky.

05:26:09.580 It's insane to me.

05:26:10.960 It's icky?

05:26:11.880 It's insane to me.

05:26:13.020 Age is nothing but an actor.

05:26:14.380 Oh, it's insane to me that it's insane to you.

05:26:16.680 Three eyes at a 23-year-old and I would never date an 18-year-old in high school.

05:26:19.160 I think that that is crazy.

05:26:19.880 That's you.

05:26:20.480 He's not an adult yet.

05:26:20.980 Well, first of all, at 18, they don't have to be in high school.

05:26:24.480 What does a 30-year-old have in common with an 18-year-old girl?

05:26:27.160 Why can't they date women at one age?

05:26:28.360 Listen, why do you think that men and women have all this shit in common?

05:26:31.180 They don't.

05:26:32.380 They do.

05:26:32.840 No, yeah.

05:26:33.220 My partner have a lot in common.

05:26:34.420 What do you have in common?

05:26:36.180 Witchcraft.

05:26:36.880 We're both hot.

05:26:37.920 We both are artists.

05:26:38.840 There's a lot I have in common with them.

05:26:40.880 You're both artists.

05:26:41.960 I see it as a soul.

05:26:43.460 Okay, so then by this criteria, hang on, are you ready?

05:26:46.700 By this criteria, we both have jobs.

05:26:48.880 We both drive in cars.

05:26:50.180 We both walk down streets.

05:26:51.720 We both have hair.

05:26:52.640 We both have hair.

05:26:54.460 We have very similar passions.

05:26:56.500 We have very similar desires.

05:26:58.320 We both have the same viewpoints on marriage.

05:27:00.240 We both have the same viewpoints on polyamory.

05:27:03.220 We both have the same viewpoints.

05:27:03.420 And what do you do for fun?

05:27:05.320 With him?

05:27:06.060 No.

05:27:06.260 What does he do for fun that you don't do for fun?

05:27:08.580 Video games.

05:27:09.460 Yeah, he plays video games.

05:27:10.680 I play video games too, but we play different video games.

05:27:12.120 Yeah, but I mean, he plays.

05:27:13.380 Yeah.

05:27:13.680 He's a player.

05:27:14.480 Hangs out with his friends.

05:27:14.840 He's a player of the video games, right?

05:27:16.260 Yeah, he plays video games, hangs out with his friends.

05:27:18.820 Do you have the same friends?

05:27:21.080 Not really like that.

05:27:22.340 It's like I'm friends with his friends, but they're his friends.

05:27:24.720 If we broke up, I would never talk to his friends.

05:27:26.840 What's the girliest thing that you do that he doesn't do?

05:27:29.800 I don't know because he lets me paint his nails.

05:27:32.220 He puts eyeliner on.

05:27:34.340 And honestly, it's the most attractive thing I've ever encountered.

05:27:41.260 And he's not a female.

05:27:42.440 I was just joking.

05:27:43.380 He puts on eyeliner and that doesn't make him less of a man.

05:27:46.020 If all it is is the idea of a commonality of interest, then I would just give you the same argument back.

05:27:52.560 We both drive cars.

05:27:53.340 We both have jobs.

05:27:54.180 We both do this.

05:27:54.900 We both do that.

05:27:55.560 We both do all these things.

05:27:56.520 We must have all this stuff in common.

05:27:58.620 Not really.

05:27:59.680 A commonality is not necessary between two people that they're interested in the same external things.

05:28:05.660 That's not what creates a deep connection between human beings.

05:28:08.680 For instance, if my wife really hated the type of food that I really liked, what the fuck would that have to do with us having anything in common?

05:28:16.260 Nothing.

05:28:17.260 Nothing.

05:28:18.060 Honestly, that would have no bearing on whether or not we deeply loved each other.

05:28:22.580 Yeah.

05:28:22.820 And I'm not sitting here and saying that there isn't 30-year-olds that are dating 18-year-olds and they have a healthy dynamic.

05:28:27.960 I'm not saying that that isn't a factor.

05:28:29.300 I'm not saying you are.

05:28:29.980 I'm just looking for this idea.

05:28:32.340 If you tell me a flight attendant is out there sleeping with many, many men, I'm going to say that's immoral.

05:28:37.340 I'm just asking you to say it's immoral for a 30-year-old to sleep with an 18-year-old and give me the justification for it.

05:28:43.180 I wouldn't say it's immoral for them to sleep with an 18-year-old.

05:28:46.320 I would say it's immoral if they're purposely targeting 18-year-olds.

05:28:50.080 Okay.

05:28:50.520 Why would that be immoral?

05:28:51.980 Because they're purposely targeting women with lower experiences, oftentimes because they're easier to manipulate and control.

05:28:59.680 Let's just assume for a second that that's true, that these men like to have women around that they can manipulate and control.

05:29:05.620 That's part of their dynamic.

05:29:07.260 Do you agree with me that there's plenty of women who like to be manipulated and controlled?

05:29:12.060 Or the younger women like older men.

05:29:13.760 I think that that's a very, very rough topic because a lot of the women that put themselves in those situations come from very, very rough backgrounds.

05:29:23.640 And so I think there is an argument to be made that maybe if they had more respect for themselves.

05:29:30.440 Yeah.

05:29:30.900 And there's kinks that I disagree with.

05:29:33.220 I'm not a kink shamer, but there's kinks that are morally wrong.

05:29:36.020 Yeah, I get it.

05:29:36.440 But if you can't tell me why it's immoral and you can just say in a circumstance where this 30-year-old is targeting an 18-year-old, right, for nefarious purposes,

05:29:49.000 then I would make the counter-argument that anybody targeting anybody for nefarious purposes, it's immoral, regardless of their age.

05:29:56.920 So if an 18-year-old is targeting – or a 30-year-old is targeting an 18-year-old for a longstanding relationship finds her to be beautiful, what's the actual issue there?

05:30:08.040 It's more dangerous for an 18-year-old woman and a 30-year-old man than the other circumstances.

05:30:13.000 I mean, while it would be more dangerous, there's also benefits, right?

05:30:21.180 I guess there's benefits to an 18-year-old dating a 30-year-old.

05:30:24.820 I would say overall, for an overwhelming majority of people –

05:30:30.280 Their Alamed Meatball donated $200.

05:30:32.960 Thank you, Mr. Meatball.

05:30:33.660 Him on team 30 and 18.

05:30:36.120 All right, he's on team 30.

05:30:37.560 It's really amazing because there actually are really compelling arguments against the age gap argument.

05:30:43.900 But the people who feel the most firmly against it never give any.

05:30:48.680 They just say, oh, it's gross.

05:30:51.460 And I'm just like, you can't base your life on what's gross.

05:30:54.860 If so, then we would have outlawed all sorts of things that you've – probably like LGBTQ.

05:31:00.360 A lot of people find that gross.

05:31:01.660 Do you think that that's acceptable?

05:31:03.160 I think that that's a very different topic.

05:31:05.140 Do you think it's acceptable that they do?

05:31:06.800 Because some people find a dick.

05:31:08.560 So it's –

05:31:09.720 They do.

05:31:10.220 But I never once said, we're going to outlaw 30-year-olds from dating 18-year-olds.

05:31:14.040 I never once said that.

05:31:14.840 I agree.

05:31:14.860 You didn't.

05:31:15.240 But if you have the response of telling people, you shouldn't do this.

05:31:19.800 You shouldn't.

05:31:20.960 And you say, well, why?

05:31:22.000 Why should – because I think it's gross.

05:31:23.860 Well, that's what I said.

05:31:24.740 I said because a lot of – oftentimes, it sets women up for failure.

05:31:29.140 It sets women up to be in very, very toxic dynamics.

05:31:31.820 Well, essentially –

05:31:32.500 This is just something that we have seen.

05:31:34.240 Every relationship now is set up in a toxic dynamic because most of these marriages are ending in divorce.

05:31:39.920 So they seem like – regardless of the age group, they seem to be highly toxic because they're not lasting a long period of time.

05:31:47.300 If you look at the UK, there's the Office of Statistics in the UK.

05:31:53.280 That's literally what it's called, okay?

05:31:56.500 They went through and they took all of the marriages that have ever happened ever in the UK, which included age gap marriages,

05:32:02.980 to see if it was true that those types of relationships failed more than relationships within a similar age.

05:32:12.280 They couldn't find any significant deviation whatsoever.

05:32:14.920 Yeah, I would assume they wouldn't.

05:32:16.640 Why?

05:32:17.400 Because oftentimes, the 18-year-old in question is getting groomed.

05:32:23.740 Oh, well, this is interesting.

05:32:25.180 They're getting groomed.

05:32:25.780 Wait a second.

05:32:26.760 And it's not always the case.

05:32:29.000 Then hang on, hang on.

05:32:29.020 Then I would expect to see those relationships work out more.

05:32:33.540 Yeah, they would.

05:32:34.160 Why?

05:32:34.480 They don't.

05:32:35.060 There's no significant deviation between the people who are engaged in a similar age relationship and those who are in this age gap relationship of 20 years or more, by the way.

05:32:46.760 No significant difference.

05:32:48.180 If it was true that those younger women were being groomed or something like this by some type of super predator who brainwashed them,

05:32:56.600 I would expect that you would see those relationships have a much bigger longevity than similar age with the same experience, but you don't.

05:33:04.660 That's really weird.

05:33:06.540 So my grandma actually left my grandpa for a man that was 30 years younger than her.

05:33:13.480 They stayed married for 55 years, and he was right there at her deathbed.

05:33:17.480 How old was she, and how old was he?

05:33:19.240 He was, I think, 20, 21, and she was in her 40s, 50s, almost 50.

05:33:26.380 Predator.

05:33:27.320 Fucking pride for predator.

05:33:30.060 Predatorily stalking through the jungle waiting for the chance to scream.

05:33:33.340 Never met two people more in love.

05:33:35.780 I mean.

05:33:36.660 I never said it was every single circumstance, but I'm saying it's something that.

05:33:40.620 But it gives you the act.

05:33:42.020 It's something that we shouldn't put pressure on.

05:33:45.860 I have a question.

05:33:46.680 It's something we shouldn't be putting out.

05:33:47.800 It's something we shouldn't be normalizing, in my personal opinion.

05:33:50.500 We're not normalizing it.

05:33:51.520 You can just agree with that.

05:33:52.360 Well, I have a question.

05:33:53.180 But that's why I just agreed with that opinion.

05:33:56.480 Just a clarification, because I like when you guys talk and you want to define a word.

05:34:00.980 So you keep saying the word grooming.

05:34:02.740 So from what I know what the word grooming is, it's taking someone and slowly acclimating them to get used to something that is immoral, gross.

05:34:12.560 Disgusting.

05:34:13.380 Right.

05:34:13.520 So where in it does an adult and an adult groom an adult into a consensual adult relationship?

05:34:23.260 Unless they're grooming them into, now you're going to be a murderer, now you're going to be a thief.

05:34:28.300 There's no grooming happening because I am an adult.

05:34:31.260 Both people are adults.

05:34:33.000 Screaming has had an 18-year-old adult is different than a 30-year-old adult in a lot of circumstances because your prefrontal cortex has not developed.

05:34:42.320 Okay.

05:34:42.880 But it's still an adult.

05:34:43.960 So let's get into the prefrontal cortex because it's an argument often used by leftists.

05:34:48.560 Would you agree with me that your brain development is highly dependent upon body nourishment?

05:34:54.180 Yes.

05:34:54.460 And do you agree that poor people have worse nourishment than rich people?

05:34:59.400 Yes.

05:35:00.040 So then I have to ask you, would you ever recommend that a rich person gets together with a poor person because their prefrontal cortex is not going to develop correctly?

05:35:10.640 Depends on the people.

05:35:11.920 It depends on the circumstances.

05:35:12.860 But wait, wait.

05:35:13.680 It's all about the prefrontal cortex.

05:35:15.940 So I've got to ask you.

05:35:17.300 They still develop a prefrontal cortex.

05:35:19.740 Yes, but not correctly, right?

05:35:22.360 Not correctly.

05:35:23.040 So just based on nourishment alone, by your argument, okay, there could be women who are 25 as long as they're just in a lower socioeconomic position.

05:35:34.620 They should not be dating, or rich people should not be dating them, even if they're in the same age group.

05:35:40.900 You don't know that rich person's background.

05:35:43.120 Do you have no idea what their level of IQ is?

05:35:44.260 We're just going to say on average.

05:35:46.120 There's rich people that were not born rich.

05:35:49.020 Wait, why would that not be icky, though, if this person had all the right nourishment so that their prefrontal cortex developed correctly, and then the person who was poorer probably didn't have as good a nourishment, so it didn't.

05:36:01.460 They could never be at the same level even if they were 25, right?

05:36:05.060 So they shouldn't date, right?

05:36:06.480 I mean, there is a lot of circumstances where that does happen, and that is a big thing where women do get set up with financial abuse.

05:36:12.940 They do get stuck in relationships where they are financially dependent.

05:36:15.780 So who the fuck is allowed to date who in your world?

05:36:18.320 Anyone can date anyone, but I can say that there's red flags and there's warnings, and women should protect themselves.

05:36:25.760 They should protect themselves from a rich man?

05:36:27.760 Yes, from every man.

05:36:28.660 Who's taking care of them?

05:36:30.380 I think women should have their own financial security set up when they're dating a man because you never know.

05:36:37.160 You could be with a man for 20 years, and then he divorces you.

05:36:40.060 And if you don't have – say you don't have a prenup, you don't have anything set up, you haven't worked for 20 years.

05:36:47.600 No, no, no.

05:36:48.320 The red flag would be to the rich man, right, to say don't date poor women because their brain isn't developed correctly because their prefrontal cortex was stunted because they didn't get the correct nourishment.

05:37:00.040 Well, most rich men don't want to date poor women.

05:37:02.360 No, actually, au contraire.

05:37:03.620 They don't care because they're looking not at the prefrontal cortex that they don't give a fuck about.

05:37:08.020 I would disagree.

05:37:08.240 They're looking at how hot they are.

05:37:10.060 I would disagree.

05:37:10.860 And they don't care about money.

05:37:11.600 I would disagree because the social circles that rich people are in are very different than the social circles that people are in.

05:37:18.340 So I do need to do an intermission because we have a backlog of chats.

05:37:22.200 I don't think you got an answer from her on the grooming definition, so I've made a note to get to that.

05:37:28.980 We have Giovanni C.

05:37:31.180 Is it a good idea to go on a perpetual medium with millions of views and talk about other scumbags porking you?

05:37:36.840 Who would want to marry you after that so our kids can get clowns, stupid or shameless?

05:37:43.800 I mean, whoever I end up with, I wouldn't want them to be put off by mistakes I made when I was 17.

05:37:57.060 And I've already clearly stated that I've learned from those mistakes, and I'm trying to better myself.

05:38:02.220 So I think that I will find somebody who respects me.

05:38:07.180 We have Lowell Paladins here coming in just a moment.

05:38:11.140 Women are willing to be promiscuous for certain types of men.

05:38:15.120 Be that type of man.

05:38:17.080 They'll morph to be what you want as a man.

05:38:19.840 The same woman will be both a 3FO and also make other types of men wait.

05:38:24.200 Interesting one, Lowell Paladins.

05:38:28.740 Thank you.

05:38:29.040 This is back in our discussion about waiting for sex.

05:38:32.640 Lowell Paladins also said, this was my entire point, though.

05:38:35.620 A woman neither has more or less virtue based on how quick she will sleep with you.

05:38:39.620 It's the same woman that will sleep quick or slow.

05:38:42.440 Same virtue.

05:38:43.660 Different durations.

05:38:45.740 All right, Lowell Paladins.

05:38:47.120 And then he has another one coming in.

05:38:48.560 Thank you, Lowell Paladins.

05:38:51.800 Appreciate it.

05:38:52.160 I'll play your noise here while...

05:38:53.420 Oh, actually, hold on.

05:38:54.380 Is it coming?

05:38:55.740 The variable is not how virtuous the woman is.

05:38:58.820 The variable is the type of man that she is with.

05:39:01.740 She will still give it up quick for some men and not give it up quick for others.

05:39:06.140 She learned nothing.

05:39:09.400 Okay.

05:39:10.220 Thank you.

05:39:14.360 That's his sound.

05:39:15.200 He gets a special sound.

05:39:16.360 And we have, again, Lowell Paladins, gross pot, meat, kettle.

05:39:21.840 She is just upset because she knows she is full of baggage that no high-quality man wants her.

05:39:26.540 She gets what she deserves.

05:39:28.060 She is only someone's side piece and never more.

05:39:31.940 You're quick.

05:39:32.360 I think this is to you.

05:39:33.640 To me?

05:39:34.280 Yeah.

05:39:34.860 I don't know.

05:39:35.700 Yeah, I don't know why you wanted to come in on that.

05:39:38.060 I'm in a relationship, though, and we're very happy together.

05:39:41.800 I think he's mentioning the side piece component of the whole non-manon.

05:39:46.600 Oh.

05:39:47.880 Well, right now we're actually exclusive because I just said I wanted to take a break from dating.

05:39:53.700 Well, I wanted him.

05:39:54.880 I don't really want him talking to other women.

05:39:56.480 He doesn't care if I talk to other women.

05:39:58.020 So that's kind of our dynamic right now.

05:40:00.120 Okay.

05:40:00.920 All right.

05:40:01.380 We have more chats.

05:40:01.960 Maybe if you weren't so much damaged goods, you wouldn't get so upset that I'd prefer any other woman other than you.

05:40:09.720 I don't know who that man is.

05:40:11.960 You don't know Lol Paladins?

05:40:13.620 I don't know who that is.

05:40:14.900 He's a paladin.

05:40:15.760 He's actually Lol Paladins.

05:40:17.180 I don't know if you were here earlier on in the show.

05:40:19.340 So she's a witch.

05:40:20.940 We are, me and Andrew are paladins casting protection spells.

05:40:25.920 Well, it didn't work because that earthquake hit.

05:40:28.340 I was my ex.

05:40:29.200 Oh, shit.

05:40:29.900 No, it did work because your earthquake didn't take us out.

05:40:32.560 Oh, shit.

05:40:33.400 It should work.

05:40:34.280 You're right.

05:40:34.840 Warlord69Uwu says,

05:40:39.280 What happened to your magic gypsy?

05:40:41.740 Does it not work in this scenario?

05:40:43.640 Does Leonardo DiCaprio give you the ick?

05:40:46.800 Because he's with a really young woman.

05:40:49.240 Oh.

05:40:49.740 Nick, do you want to pull up that infographic for Leo?

05:40:52.640 I think it's in the infographic.

05:40:53.920 I think he has like a history of that, too.

05:40:55.120 It is in the...

05:40:55.820 Yeah, I think it's icky.

05:40:58.560 I think it's icky.

05:40:59.180 You think everything is icky.

05:41:00.800 I think certain situations are icky, yes.

05:41:06.020 Unless it comes to open relationships, that's fine.

05:41:08.400 Everything else is fucking icky.

05:41:09.680 Yeah, because I don't see how an open relationship is...

05:41:13.540 I think there's an updated one.

05:41:15.700 Yeah, but...

05:41:17.740 You can find an open relationship...

05:41:19.180 How is it not icky to be sleeping with multiple people?

05:41:22.520 That seems pretty icky.

05:41:24.280 Oh, that's not icky.

05:41:25.620 It's also, Nick, it's just in the Dropbox.

05:41:28.420 So it's an 80-year-old, 40-year-old.

05:41:30.240 Yeah, and I stated my opinion.

05:41:33.320 You can agree or disagree with it.

05:41:35.460 I'm not here to tell people what they should or shouldn't believe.

05:41:38.340 We have a chat from Lil Paladins.

05:41:40.000 By the way, the only advantage that younger women have is less baggage.

05:41:43.200 If I met an older woman with less baggage, I'd love it.

05:41:46.160 You are disgusting because of your baggage, not because of your age.

05:41:48.960 Which?

05:41:50.120 Okay.

05:41:50.940 Okay.

05:41:52.100 And then, one sec.

05:41:53.220 Hold on.

05:41:54.240 There's two more coming in.

05:41:56.000 We have Giovanni.

05:41:57.700 His town's going to be drink.

05:42:00.120 Giovanni, Andrew is witch's man, not a cuck.

05:42:03.380 If her man lets her bang other girls, I guess I'm a feminist because I don't allow my chick

05:42:07.540 to date smash anyone regardless of gender.

05:42:09.580 Cuck is egalitarian.

05:42:11.540 I don't think cuckoldry applies to females.

05:42:14.620 So, the female can cuck a man, but I don't think that men, that wouldn't go with the distinction

05:42:25.740 of the word.

05:42:26.900 Is it different, too, when both parties are allowed to do whatever they want to do?

05:42:33.220 No, no, that's still cuckery.

05:42:34.460 It's still cuckery?

05:42:34.920 Other side, yeah, just put something on it.

05:42:36.840 So, a man can be sleeping with other women and it's still cuckery?

05:42:40.140 So, I'm sorry, I've got to redirect here.

05:42:41.820 I've got to redirect.

05:42:42.440 So, Leonardo DiCaprio refuses to date a woman.

05:42:45.760 Hold on, let me read this.

05:42:47.580 Media government and older women are grooming young women to hate age gap relationships due

05:42:51.320 to the collapsing economy, prevent them from adopting conservative views, plus old women

05:42:55.520 are bad for long-term relationships.

05:42:57.420 That's from Final Way Feminism.

05:42:58.620 Thank you for your message, man.

05:42:59.900 I really appreciate it.

05:43:00.640 Thank you, thank you.

05:43:01.700 We have Leonardo DiCaprio refuses to date a woman over 25.

05:43:04.840 So, this is his relationship history.

05:43:07.220 Actually, recently, I think this is somewhat dated.

05:43:09.740 He just finally dated a 26-year-old.

05:43:13.500 Wow.

05:43:14.080 Big date for Leo.

05:43:15.340 Good job, Leo.

05:43:16.660 50.

05:43:17.340 He did it, boys.

05:43:19.200 But as you see, he's not really, when it comes to his relation, has not dated over 25.

05:43:24.360 Okay.

05:43:25.100 Is this, so the question was, does Leonardo DiCaprio give you the ick?

05:43:30.480 A little bit.

05:43:31.480 Okay, good to know.

05:43:32.940 All right, we have Randon.

05:43:34.340 But the 25 and the free frontal cortex is all developed.

05:43:37.540 Yeah, I know, I still think that, like, in general, you should date people with an age.

05:43:42.420 Isn't this witch lady advocating for harming other individuals willingly?

05:43:45.520 That's wild.

05:43:46.360 Question for the panel, how do we feel about this age gap rule for men?

05:43:49.340 Date half your age plus seven.

05:43:50.940 But you missed a checkmate.

05:43:53.120 What do you mean?

05:43:53.640 She said it was icky.

05:43:54.900 And she says, but wait, the prefrontal cortex has developed at 26.

05:44:01.680 And she still thinks it's icky.

05:44:03.580 He's 40.

05:44:04.060 I think it's considerably less icky.

05:44:06.960 Oh, but still icky.

05:44:07.980 Considerably less.

05:44:08.720 I think that you should be dating people your own age.

05:44:12.180 So.

05:44:12.600 Why?

05:44:13.400 Why does that matter?

05:44:14.580 Now your argument's changed.

05:44:14.900 I don't even know why that would matter at all.

05:44:16.640 How old is your boyfriend?

05:44:18.120 I think women should only date men.

05:44:20.240 How old are you?

05:44:20.920 23.

05:44:21.220 I think women should only date men.

05:44:25.040 Well, they're not the same age.

05:44:26.520 No, but we're pretty close.

05:44:28.140 So women should only date men.

05:44:29.820 Women seem to have a preference for men who are funny, despite their lack of humor themselves.

05:44:36.060 I think it's icky that women, like, aren't funny, but they have this huge desire for dating funny men.

05:44:46.900 You're, from your purview, you're only allowed to essentially desire traits in a partner that you yourself possess.

05:44:55.600 Ageing a trait.

05:44:56.420 Yeah, you need your, look, it doesn't have to be, like, the same birthday.

05:45:00.880 Age is a trait.

05:45:01.100 What do you mean?

05:45:01.720 How is it not a trait?

05:45:02.820 It's different than a personality trait.

05:45:04.480 You changed your birth date.

05:45:06.060 How is it not a trait?

05:45:07.440 Yeah.

05:45:08.640 Okay, that's a birth.

05:45:09.660 You decided to change your birth date identity, and it's not a trait?

05:45:16.020 I'm a purview person.

05:45:16.820 I think that was brutal.

05:45:21.180 Whew.

05:45:22.660 Boom.

05:45:23.460 Roasted.

05:45:24.900 Before I get into the, I guess, the grooming thing, really quick, so putting aside or even granting your arguments that it is icky, gross, creepy, predatory, whatever,

05:45:33.940 can you actually make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man for why he should date, for example, a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old, assuming he's, say, 35 himself or 40?

05:45:47.460 I don't think that there's, I think there's more experience, and I think a lot of people want to date people that have, that are at the same level as them, and it's kind of a thing of, like, it's...

05:45:58.940 Really?

05:45:59.660 Yeah.

05:46:00.080 Women don't.

05:46:00.780 I would say...

05:46:01.320 Women don't?

05:46:01.980 I do.

05:46:02.720 I would...

05:46:03.340 No.

05:46:03.760 No.

05:46:04.060 I do not want to date an 18-year-old and, like...

05:46:06.180 Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

05:46:06.960 The same level.

05:46:07.640 Wait, wait, wait.

05:46:08.340 Hold on.

05:46:08.640 The same level.

05:46:09.460 Why am I doing a fucking...

05:46:10.920 I don't know.

05:46:11.620 I don't know what to do.

05:46:12.400 Coomer Gremlin.

05:46:13.520 Fucking...

05:46:14.120 You're just trying to...

05:46:15.160 Okay, hold on.

05:46:17.060 Hold on.

05:46:19.600 Okay, hold on.

05:46:24.040 Tell us about the status of your boyfriend.

05:46:27.100 What do you mean?

05:46:27.640 You said he's a famous rapper.

05:46:30.180 Who is it?

05:46:30.980 No, no, no.

05:46:31.360 I can't.

05:46:31.680 Look, this is a little...

05:46:33.340 Yeah, but...

05:46:33.820 Literally a checkmate.

05:46:34.340 But I'm a witch.

05:46:34.940 She's just been...

05:46:35.760 You've just been checkmate.

05:46:36.420 What does that have to be said?

05:46:37.760 Checkmate.

05:46:38.560 I'm talking about status.

05:46:40.000 Wait, wait, wait.

05:46:41.080 You say people should date on their level.

05:46:43.120 You're literally in a relationship with a guy who dwarfs your status.

05:46:46.620 You have no idea how much money I'm worth.

05:46:47.580 You're predatory for pursuing a man.

05:46:49.560 You are predatory for pursuing a man more successful than you, more money, more clout, more followers.

05:46:55.200 You said he's got millions of followers across social media.

05:46:57.400 Yeah.

05:46:57.740 He dwarfs your social media status.

05:47:00.160 Okay.

05:47:00.680 Well...

05:47:01.020 You fucking clout chased him, you predatory clout chaser.

05:47:03.760 He slid in my DMs.

05:47:05.580 Right, so...

05:47:06.880 Wait a second.

05:47:07.840 Wait, so what...

05:47:08.500 Okay, if an 18-year-old slides into my DMs, I'm 35, no problem.

05:47:12.960 She slides into my DMs.

05:47:13.880 It's less creepy than a 30-year-old that's going out of their way to try and slide into 18-year-old's DMs.

05:47:19.620 Bro, but there's such a power dynamic in your relationship.

05:47:22.540 What if he had slid in...

05:47:23.520 Hang on, hang on.

05:47:24.020 I'm sorry.

05:47:24.500 You wouldn't be dating him if he had slid into your DMs?

05:47:27.360 What do you mean?

05:47:27.780 Wait, you slid in...

05:47:28.700 Wait, he slid into yours.

05:47:29.780 He slid in mine, yeah.

05:47:30.620 Whoa, that's really predatory.

05:47:32.020 I wouldn't have even known about that.

05:47:32.200 I was so predatory.

05:47:32.600 Now this is predatory.

05:47:33.880 Your boyfriend is predatory because he has...

05:47:35.980 There's this huge power imbalance because he has more status.

05:47:38.840 Yeah.

05:47:38.940 He has a bigger following.

05:47:39.920 He's a famous rapper.

05:47:41.660 Rappers make a lot of money, right?

05:47:43.500 And you don't have the same life experience.

05:47:45.020 And you're a witch.

05:47:47.520 Literally, he's waiting to pounce.

05:47:48.900 He also practices witchcraft.

05:47:50.440 So why did you, despite your views of asymmetry in relationships being predatory or creepy or icky,

05:47:57.540 why did you then choose to be in a relationship with him?

05:48:00.600 You have no money.

05:48:01.360 I have a lot of money, too.

05:48:02.880 I have a lot of things going for me as well, too.

05:48:04.620 More than a rapper with 1.2 million followers or whatever?

05:48:08.300 I want an extremely huge lawsuit.

05:48:11.640 Extremely huge lawsuit.

05:48:13.060 Okay, cool.

05:48:13.080 You came into your money without...

05:48:15.220 I have very good investments rolling.

05:48:19.160 We both are content creators.

05:48:23.860 He's got more status than you.

05:48:25.940 Sure.

05:48:26.260 There's asymmetry in your status.

05:48:28.500 Sure.

05:48:29.660 That's conversations we've had.

05:48:32.120 And it was a red flag.

05:48:33.600 And from the get-go, I didn't trust him from the get-go.

05:48:36.420 I did not trust him from day one.

05:48:39.480 He had to build that trust with me.

05:48:41.160 I've never once said every single 30-year-old that goes after an 18-year-old is a creep.

05:48:45.580 I'm saying it's a red flag.

05:48:48.520 Him being a rapper?

05:48:49.840 Yeah, kind of was a red flag when we first met.

05:48:51.980 And here you are in a relationship with him.

05:48:53.940 Yes, because we connected.

05:48:55.700 Holy am.

05:48:56.140 Oh, and how about if a 19-year-old connects with a 30-year-old?

05:48:59.760 Then that's fine.

05:49:00.940 But that's something that the 19-year-old should look out for.

05:49:03.660 No, no, no.

05:49:04.600 You're pretty sicky.

05:49:05.680 I'm okay with-

05:49:06.760 You still think it's icky?

05:49:07.740 No, I think it's icky to purposely target younger women as a 30-year-old man.

05:49:13.060 I think that that's icky.

05:49:14.560 No one disagrees with it.

05:49:16.060 That was what the comment was originally.

05:49:17.360 I mean, I disagree with it.

05:49:18.480 I still don't understand why that would be icky.

05:49:20.940 Targets them for what?

05:49:22.000 A relationship?

05:49:23.100 Because they see that they're beautiful?

05:49:24.880 Like, what is the problem?

05:49:26.020 I'm just saying they're weird because I think a lot of the time-

05:49:27.740 Consensually attracted to each other?

05:49:28.800 A lot of the time, a 30-year-old who's going for an 18-year-old is because he can't get women his own age.

05:49:34.480 Actually, wait.

05:49:35.560 I'll make this argument really quick.

05:49:36.820 So if you're 22, then that means your prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed, so then maybe you shouldn't be dating it.

05:49:41.420 Wait.

05:49:41.940 Hold on.

05:49:42.460 I'm dating someone who's my age, so it's a very different conversation.

05:49:46.260 I'm not dating a 30-year-old yet to make that decision.

05:49:50.380 Wait.

05:49:50.780 Wait until you're 26 and revisit it.

05:49:52.520 Hold on.

05:49:53.660 Okay.

05:49:54.560 I just want to point this out.

05:49:56.100 So I would actually make the argument that a man who's 30, who's able to, say, regularly attract 18, 19, 20-year-old women,

05:50:04.700 is probably really attractive to 30-year-old women because for you as a guy at 30 to get attraction from an 18, 19, 20-year-old,

05:50:18.700 bro, you've got to be bringing something to the table.

05:50:21.460 No.

05:50:21.740 It's not these average 30-year-old dudes.

05:50:26.200 They're bringing something to the table.

05:50:28.440 No, because I would say-

05:50:29.940 If you're a 30-year-old guy and you're attractive to 18, 19, 20-year-olds, trust me, you're attractive to 30-year-olds, too.

05:50:38.940 I would say a lot of 18-

05:50:40.140 Bro, it's harder as a 30-year-old.

05:50:41.240 Let me ask you a question.

05:50:43.000 Is it easier as a 30-year-old man to pull a batty 19-year-old or to pull a batty 30-year-old?

05:50:51.000 Which is harder?

05:50:51.820 I think it would be harder for them to pull a batty 30-year-old because I think the 19-year-old is going to be considerably more impressed

05:50:58.800 because he has considerably more life experience than him.

05:51:02.180 He more than likely has considerably more money than her because he's been in a position where he can do that.

05:51:08.280 She's going to be-

05:51:09.420 A 19-year-old is going to be way easier to impress than a 30-year-old who's been around the block.

05:51:14.920 Yeah, a 30-year-old who's more mature and has a free frontal cortex he's developed and can make those informed decisions.

05:51:19.540 I would say you have a lot more experience than me.

05:51:22.800 This is the-

05:51:23.800 Which one?

05:51:24.440 The man's interest in the world who looks best in it.

05:51:27.040 Eh, nah, it's okay. It's okay.

05:51:28.900 I think I would say, as a person who's gone through those ages, that at 23, if somebody would have came to me who's 35, I would have said,

05:51:36.320 Ew, because you're old.

05:51:37.900 But then at 30, I would have looked at that same person and been more attracted to them because I understand more of what they have to bring.

05:51:45.140 Right.

05:51:45.540 Yeah, thank you, Giovanni.

05:51:58.460 No.

05:51:59.780 You can't give the enemy ammunition here.

05:52:03.120 Thank you, Giovanni. Appreciate the thing. Really quick, going back to you.

05:52:06.540 But they're really good and they're not the-

05:52:08.400 I would like to hear them.

05:52:11.180 I know. I'm sure you would.

05:52:12.220 I don't understand any of them.

05:52:14.640 You got to give me-

05:52:15.060 Because you said that you have a lot of arguments, but you don't think it's-

05:52:18.720 But you don't think it's ick.

05:52:20.120 So I'm like, where is that?

05:52:20.540 One day there's going to be a feminist on that side of the table and she's going to make compelling arguments.

05:52:25.540 She's going to back me in a corner.

05:52:27.640 I doubt it.

05:52:28.000 Then I'm going to just obliterate her with why age gaps are wrong. That day is not two day.

05:52:34.800 Well, they are wrong.

05:52:35.640 Okay.

05:52:36.040 Right, but you said the-

05:52:37.700 Oh, okay. All right.

05:52:38.820 That day is not two day.

05:52:40.620 So really quick for you, you asked her the definition of grooming. What's your definition of grooming?

05:52:45.520 I think she worded it perfectly. I really, really liked how she worded it.

05:52:49.920 Okay, so you agree with her definition?

05:52:51.420 Yeah, I agree with the definition.

05:52:53.800 Okay. And then I think, did we do this one?

05:52:57.560 Oh, we didn't really get an answer, I think. How do you guys feel about date half your age

05:53:03.520 plus seven as a benchmark for- That's for the whole panel, if anybody wants to weigh in.

05:53:09.980 I'm doing like the mental gymnastics right now.

05:53:12.280 Mm-hmm. Well, I do have to move off of the age gap.

05:53:16.700 Oh, last thing.

05:53:18.080 No, I'm good.

05:53:18.560 Okay, so last thing on the age gap thing.

05:53:20.820 Yeah.

05:53:21.220 Or no, I already asked it. I think I was just, no, I already asked like, what would the benefits

05:53:27.460 be to the man for why you should date a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old? And you said more experience?

05:53:34.740 Yeah. And also, oftentimes you're probably going to have more money as a 30-year-old.

05:53:39.800 Woman?

05:53:40.120 Man or woman. They're going to have more money than an 18-year-old in general.

05:53:45.120 So, I guess this brings us back a little bit to the conversation we're having with the flight attendant.

05:53:50.640 Do you think men care?

05:53:51.500 Send in a champagne pop, and then I'll tell you the argument.

05:53:54.540 Women care.

05:53:55.380 And that's-

05:53:55.800 And it's a good argument.

05:53:56.860 That's why I think women can get in positions where they will go for a 30-year-old.

05:54:01.780 They will overlook a lot of red flags.

05:54:03.760 Because that man has an apartment. He has a good job. And a lot of 18-year-olds, they're

05:54:10.400 adults, but they're not really-

05:54:12.220 Wait, but earlier in the conversation, you said, what are the benefits of dating an older

05:54:15.580 man? You've just made the argument.

05:54:18.040 I've never said there wasn't benefits of dating an older man.

05:54:19.820 I think you said something along the lines of why would they date them? What are the benefits?

05:54:24.180 No, I don't understand why a 30-year-old would purposely target 18-year-olds. I don't understand

05:54:31.080 the benefit from that.

05:54:32.120 Because they don't want a single mom, and they don't want a bunch of fucking trauma,

05:54:35.380 and they don't want a bunch of bullshit. That's why.

05:54:37.480 Okay, there's plenty of 30-year-olds that are not single moms.

05:54:40.720 No, the pool is ever shrinking as to how much baggage a 30-year-old brings to the table.

05:54:46.380 Does this 30-year-old man also not have trauma?

05:54:49.360 Significantly less, generally.

05:54:50.780 Yes. Okay.

05:54:51.180 Yeah.

05:54:51.600 So don't you feel like that's something that should be discussed? Why do women have significantly

05:54:57.540 more trauma than men?

05:54:58.720 Well, I think-

05:54:59.400 We're more emotional.

05:54:59.520 So this is exactly why I am saying women should defend themselves, and women should prioritize

05:55:05.940 their safety while being over everything.

05:55:08.040 Well, I also think that women tend to overplay what is actually considered traumatic to them

05:55:13.300 versus what is not.

05:55:14.840 I don't think that what's considered traumatic to me, that's my experience, and that's my definition,

05:55:20.560 and you're not able to define what someone-

05:55:23.200 It's my truth.

05:55:24.120 It is, because what I go through, my trauma, it's going to have an impact on me.

05:55:28.480 So shall we challenge this and see if this is actually true?

05:55:32.700 Guy breaks into a convenience store.

05:55:35.460 Okay.

05:55:35.760 He breaks into a convenience store.

05:55:37.460 While he's there, there's a woman there, and there's a clerk, okay?

05:55:43.240 He goes over to the woman, and he just damn near bashes her head in, and then essays her

05:55:48.340 right there, okay?

05:55:51.080 While the guy's on the ground, he doesn't see any of it.

05:55:54.060 Then he also steals a candy bar, and she gets up, and she says to the police, I can't

05:55:59.820 believe what he just did.

05:56:00.800 This is awful.

05:56:01.660 It's horrible.

05:56:02.180 And he goes, yeah, and he stole my Snickers bar.

05:56:05.800 That was traumatizing to me that he stole my fucking Snickers bar.

05:56:09.540 Just as traumatizing as what happened to you.

05:56:13.600 You can't, you can't, you're going to tell me, you cannot make the distinction as to which

05:56:19.640 one of them actually has more trauma from this, because it's internalized, and it's subjective,

05:56:25.500 and so it's possible in your worldview that the guy who had the Snickers bar stolen is every

05:56:30.640 bit as traumatized, the woman who was just half beaten and essayed.

05:56:34.580 Yeah.

05:56:35.260 Yeah.

05:56:35.440 I would say that there are people...

05:56:37.460 And do you think that rational people would agree with that?

05:56:39.580 I feel like a cup where I think some people are able to handle a lot more than other people,

05:56:43.840 and some people, what they go through considerably hurts them more than other people.

05:56:47.840 Then if that's the case, you're arguing...

05:56:48.640 And I don't think that's a woman versus man.

05:56:50.020 I think that's a human thing.

05:56:50.820 Then you're arguing against yourself.

05:56:52.340 So then my argument to you would be that women are a really tiny cup, and that men are a big

05:56:57.960 cup, and we have just as much trauma, but we can just really fucking deal with it better.

05:57:01.980 I would highly disagree with that.

05:57:03.480 Well, you could maybe make that disagreement if you hadn't just gotten done telling me

05:57:07.720 that trauma is just a subjective metric, and if you steal my Snickers bar, it's just like

05:57:13.140 you getting essayed if I feel like it is.

05:57:15.760 I never said that.

05:57:17.440 Wait, you didn't?

05:57:19.060 I never said it was the same.

05:57:21.340 Well, no, it could be...

05:57:22.380 Wait, I'm sorry.

05:57:23.020 I think it's a weird hypothetical.

05:57:24.400 Is it...

05:57:24.800 I don't know why we're like fantasizing about a woman getting brutally...

05:57:28.400 I'm sorry.

05:57:29.180 How's that a fantasy?

05:57:30.240 How's that a fantasy?

05:57:31.620 I don't know.

05:57:32.220 I just don't have thoughts of that crossing my mind.

05:57:34.560 I think it's a weird thing.

05:57:35.040 He's talking specifically about somebody being traumatized by one act versus another.

05:57:39.980 I think the hypotheticals you bring up are...

05:57:41.920 Oh, it's weird.

05:57:42.060 It's weird.

05:57:42.160 I can't respond.

05:57:43.120 It's weird.

05:57:43.520 It's weird.

05:57:44.080 It's ticky.

05:57:44.880 So anyway, back to the hypothetical.

05:57:46.780 You do theorize that I could experience as much trauma from that Snickers bar being stolen from

05:57:52.860 me as this woman who got S8, correct?

05:57:55.420 I don't know.

05:57:56.000 I'm not a therapist.

05:57:57.980 Okay.

05:57:58.400 Oh, my gosh.

05:57:59.960 I guess last thing.

05:58:02.040 I feel like you did...

05:58:03.220 I don't know if you're shifting the goalposts a little bit.

05:58:05.660 Because initially you just said blanket statement, age gaps are gross, icky, predatory, whatever.

05:58:10.720 But now that you feel like it's a bit more defensible position for you to say, well, it's

05:58:16.560 not age gaps, but it's when 30 or older year old men specifically target 18 year old women.

05:58:23.940 You've kind of shifted your position to be...

05:58:26.420 You feel like that's a bit more defensible.

05:58:28.340 So, I mean, do you still take issue?

05:58:30.180 For example, let's say a man has a dating app.

05:58:32.160 And in the dating app, he sets his age range from...

05:58:35.440 He's 30.

05:58:36.020 From 18 to 35, do you have objections there?

05:58:40.580 He's not specifically targeting 18 year olds, but he may very well encounter match with 18

05:58:46.560 year olds.

05:58:47.280 I think that's less weird.

05:58:49.200 Less weird, but still weird.

05:58:50.940 Yeah.

05:58:51.340 I just think it's weird when 30 year olds are dating 18 year olds.

05:58:53.020 But he's not specifically targeting them because he set his age range...

05:58:56.340 I think it's weird when they're not.

05:58:58.200 Okay.

05:58:58.880 But he set his age range from 18 to 35.

05:59:01.660 So, he's not specifically targeting 18 year olds.

05:59:04.500 So, maybe he wants to identify with the younger age.

05:59:06.580 I just don't...

05:59:07.460 I personally could not understand finding an 18 year old attractive.

05:59:12.460 I do not find any 18 year olds attractive.

05:59:15.020 I would never date an 18 year old.

05:59:15.460 Women typically don't like dating younger.

05:59:18.320 I'm bisexual.

05:59:19.360 I would say it's very different for me.

05:59:21.140 And you still don't, right?

05:59:22.340 You don't prefer to date younger women?

05:59:23.980 No.

05:59:25.020 I would want to date a woman my age.

05:59:27.100 What would make that special?

05:59:28.220 That you're bisexual?

05:59:29.060 How would that even relate to this?

05:59:31.300 Because I would say that I have a different viewpoint.

05:59:34.680 I think women...

05:59:35.780 A lot of women don't want to date younger men.

05:59:38.020 But that's like a very...

05:59:39.260 That's like in a straight dynamic.

05:59:41.580 As a bisexual, there's a lot of bisexual women that I'm sure want to date younger women.

05:59:47.260 Me personally, as a bisexual woman, I wouldn't want to date a woman that's 18.

05:59:50.680 Then I don't even understand why this would apply.

05:59:52.740 Because you can't speak to anybody else's experience.

05:59:54.860 Only your own, right?

05:59:56.780 I can...

05:59:57.540 Yeah.

05:59:57.720 And I can state my opinion.

05:59:59.120 And I can state and say that 18-year-olds should be on the lookout.

06:00:03.260 And if a 30-year-old's interested in you, it's a red flag.

06:00:06.300 And that doesn't mean that he's a bad guy.

06:00:08.600 Yeah.

06:00:08.960 That doesn't mean you don't have to date him.

06:00:10.860 But it's a red flag.

06:00:12.500 Of what?

06:00:12.900 And it's something you should keep an eye out.

06:00:14.220 Of what?

06:00:14.620 Is it only a red flag in the straight world, though?

06:00:16.100 Wait until you get 25 and we come back to the argument.

06:00:18.240 Is that only a red flag in the straight world?

06:00:20.240 Because you just said...

06:00:21.580 No, I think it would be a red flag in any circumstance.

06:00:24.900 It's still icky.

06:00:25.920 Man on man, one on a woman.

06:00:27.420 I still think it would be gross either way.

06:00:30.160 And do you know which orientation has the widest age gap relationships?

06:00:34.000 Oh, I'm sure it's probably lesbians.

06:00:36.560 Gay men?

06:00:37.640 Oh.

06:00:38.720 No.

06:00:39.960 Is that because you think they're predatory towards boys?

06:00:43.380 I don't know.

06:00:44.420 I am not a gay man, so...

06:00:46.900 Now suddenly you can't talk about anybody else's experience.

06:00:49.640 Yeah, suddenly you won't talk about it because it's a gay man.

06:00:50.140 You have an opinion, and you can state your opinion until it comes to this issue.

06:00:54.700 Well, I just don't have an opinion on gay men.

06:00:57.120 Oh.

06:00:57.960 The only thing you don't have an opinion on.

06:01:01.120 Two chats here, two chats.

06:01:02.800 Low Paladins.

06:01:03.500 Remember, experience is woman code for how many peen has she had in her mouth.

06:01:11.180 Brian does have a point.

06:01:12.280 It is harder to attract young women as an older man, way easier at 30 than 40.

06:01:19.700 And then he also says, thank you, Low Paladins.

06:01:22.840 Appreciate it.

06:01:29.540 Thank you, bro.

06:01:30.580 He also says, let me assure the witch, as a 40-year-old man, it's impossible to find a 30-year-old woman

06:01:35.320 who doesn't have crazy amounts of baggage.

06:01:38.100 If I could, I'd be supporting her instead of supporting Brian.

06:01:40.840 Hey, Low Paladins, he's like my internet boyfriend, pretty much.

06:01:46.980 Thank you, man.

06:01:47.400 Appreciate it.

06:01:48.880 I'm like sugar.

06:01:50.240 He's my sugar.

06:01:51.080 What the?

06:01:51.600 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

06:01:52.620 That was super cringe.

06:01:53.960 You're his sugar baby, sugar bro?

06:01:54.620 I disavow.

06:01:56.440 Okay.

06:01:57.820 But, I mean, so, for example, you said, like, as you get older, you get more experience, right?

06:02:02.860 Mm-hmm.

06:02:03.180 And then I'll move on after this.

06:02:04.960 I mean, we had the 31-year-old flight attendant there.

06:02:08.780 Mm-hmm.

06:02:09.080 I mean, you're younger than her, and, I mean, credit to you, you've been able to have these

06:02:13.800 disagreements and conversations without really faltering at all.

06:02:17.160 I think you've actually made some good arguments.

06:02:19.440 Yeah.

06:02:19.540 You've maintained your composure.

06:02:20.980 Mm-hmm.

06:02:21.260 Um, she completely floundered, at one point started crying, to, Andrew had the kid gloves

06:02:29.160 on with her.

06:02:30.480 Andrew had the kids, he was treating her with kid gloves, so.

06:02:34.460 Yeah, it was sad.

06:02:35.360 And she rage quit, and she, not only that, she came in the most prepared of any of the

06:02:44.360 women here, had notes in front of her.

06:02:47.500 We've had that maybe three times.

06:02:49.220 We've had over a thousand guests.

06:02:51.000 Most people don't bring notes, whatever.

06:02:52.520 She had notes in front of her.

06:02:55.360 Guns blazing.

06:02:56.080 Guns blazing.

06:02:57.120 Big ol' feminist.

06:02:58.340 Big ol' feminist.

06:02:58.920 Shooting blinks.

06:02:59.960 Couldn't even, she couldn't even, despite her being a big ol' feminist, could not even

06:03:03.700 come up with one way in which.

06:03:07.640 Mm-hmm.

06:03:08.620 To validate.

06:03:09.220 Men have rights that women don't, couldn't even come up with one.

06:03:11.980 Um, so it's not clear to me that her additional life experience has better prepared her for

06:03:18.520 coming on this podcast, whereas you're 23.

06:03:21.600 Uh, so I don't, I don't think age is necessarily going to be an indicator.

06:03:25.960 No.

06:03:26.460 Of.

06:03:27.220 That's why I said it's not every single circumstance, it's a red flag.

06:03:30.680 Right, but I would almost think, like, if a, I know you're not inclined to, to date older

06:03:35.640 men or whatever, but, like, if a 33-year-old were to date you, I would almost point out, given

06:03:41.940 her conduct here, she did not seem particularly strong in her constitution, you could actually

06:03:47.400 make the argument that, would it be more icky to date her at 31 than to date you, for example,

06:03:54.760 at 23, given her instability in her, I mean, that was unstable.

06:03:59.620 Anything.

06:04:00.040 That was unstable.

06:04:00.720 I mean, I, I, I don't want to, like, I will never speak negatively about another woman,

06:04:04.700 because I'm a girl's girl, um, but.

06:04:07.180 Oh, yeah, right.

06:04:08.000 Basic one, I really am.

06:04:09.380 Fuck it, bullshit.

06:04:10.360 I really am.

06:04:10.820 Yeah, privately, I never say anything about any other way.

06:04:13.960 Come on.

06:04:14.000 I only hex them when you pay me to.

06:04:16.360 Yeah.

06:04:17.380 Go ahead, go ahead, and then I'll move it on.

06:04:19.280 Go ahead.

06:04:19.860 Come on.

06:04:20.720 I don't really like talking negatively about women, but, um, she doesn't seem like she

06:04:24.680 should be in a relationship with anyone right now, because it seems like she has a lot

06:04:28.640 of work on herself that she needs to do.

06:04:30.180 Okay.

06:04:31.040 So, I don't think she should be dating, I don't, yeah, I actually do offer healing spells

06:04:35.940 and self-love spells.

06:04:36.960 She should do a pro bono for her.

06:04:38.880 We still have.

06:04:39.420 I will, I'll do that for anyone who's on the podcast, uh, just DM me.

06:04:42.760 So, we still have quite a few notes to get through.

06:04:44.520 I will, we'll try to get through them quickly.

06:04:46.980 Uh, going back to Riley, you said you agree with the show on most top, we already kind of

06:04:51.520 talked about that, on most topics, except for abortion.

06:04:55.040 And we already talked about that, though.

06:04:56.920 Yeah, we already talked about that, and I was already, like, kind of.

06:05:00.860 Did you have your mind changed by Andrew?

06:05:03.260 I think so.

06:05:04.100 Maybe a little bit?

06:05:04.500 I think so.

06:05:05.300 I have to think about it more.

06:05:06.200 All right.

06:05:06.580 Think about it.

06:05:07.540 But, as of, yeah, I think so.

06:05:09.420 She did, she did the mind.

06:05:10.720 Oh, okay.

06:05:11.420 She did it.

06:05:11.800 She did it mostly.

06:05:12.880 Oh, okay.

06:05:13.620 Right from Chrissy.

06:05:14.300 Credit where credit's due.

06:05:15.080 I made the one cry and run out.

06:05:16.840 Okay, you're right.

06:05:17.440 She changed the mind.

06:05:18.260 She changed the mind.

06:05:19.320 That was my one goal coming out of here.

06:05:20.420 Also, there was, like, a comment that kind of stumped me when they asked, like, oh,

06:05:25.140 if I would kill my disabled child.

06:05:29.080 No, that was me.

06:05:29.980 Oh, no, but a comment said it as well.

06:05:31.860 Oh, okay.

06:05:32.080 Yeah, you also said it, yes.

06:05:33.540 You said that you're, I think he's talking to you.

06:05:38.220 Oh, if you can, just scoot into the table a little bit.

06:05:40.240 You said your ex is insane.

06:05:41.720 He also broke up with me the day, oh, we.

06:05:43.500 Yeah, we talked about that.

06:05:46.100 Oh, also one time he said to me, if Japan is a day ahead of us,

06:05:50.060 why didn't they warn us about 9-11?

06:05:53.300 Yes, he said that.

06:05:54.680 What?

06:05:56.740 Okay.

06:05:58.040 Okay, I don't know if I'd necessarily call him insane, but, like, he wasn't the brightest.

06:06:03.860 He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

06:06:06.360 He wasn't the brightest.

06:06:07.560 Were there, like, red flags?

06:06:09.340 Did he ever seem, like, weird when you just met him?

06:06:11.880 Or, like, there was lots of red flags.

06:06:13.880 The reddest of the red flags I've ever heard in my life.

06:06:17.120 Well, okay, but this wasn't, was this the first date?

06:06:19.900 No, this was, like, six months in.

06:06:24.480 Oh, okay.

06:06:24.980 Did you say, that's not how that works?

06:06:27.080 Yeah, I did.

06:06:29.900 Well, I laughed.

06:06:31.080 I thought he was joking, but.

06:06:33.200 Going to Payton.

06:06:34.720 It's like a time portal.

06:06:38.840 Oh, I also posted.

06:06:40.280 If that was the case, I'd be calling across the country all the time.

06:06:42.840 No.

06:06:43.320 For the Winnie Lotto numbers.

06:06:44.520 I also posted a TikTok about that in the comments.

06:06:48.100 People were, like, confused.

06:06:50.160 I literally had to explain time zones to people in the comments.

06:06:54.140 It's hard out there.

06:06:55.400 And would you say that you had more of a female audience?

06:06:58.780 Um, I think it's, like, a mix of both.

06:07:00.900 If you were on TikTok, you were.

06:07:02.600 Well, no, because mostly, like, I usually just promote my music on TikTok.

06:07:07.700 If it's TikTok, it's mostly a female audience, though.

06:07:09.940 Yeah, yeah, so I'd say, I'd say so.

06:07:12.360 All right, Payton, you said, I'm interested in being on the show to rep the normal suburban girl

06:07:17.400 who had a somewhat promiscuous past, nothing online, but got my stuff together before it was too late.

06:07:23.480 Yes, I did say that.

06:07:25.980 Oh, that was, sorry, I was trying to, like, prompt you to.

06:07:29.840 Continue with that.

06:07:30.600 Just say more.

06:07:31.220 Yeah.

06:07:31.620 Yeah, like, a little prompt.

06:07:32.980 Expand.

06:07:33.220 Well, I feel like online, the internet would have, it portray that everybody hates each other, right?

06:07:40.400 Everything is so extreme.

06:07:41.880 Either, you know, you're all into the trad wife movement, or you're extremely feminist liberal.

06:07:47.040 You know, there doesn't, there's not, it doesn't seem to me like there's a lot of normal,

06:07:51.860 which I feel like this panel, in comparison to some other ones I've watched, is a little bit more even keel.

06:07:56.620 But, whenever I watch these shows, I always think to myself that our media, our culture doesn't show a lot of,

06:08:05.040 you can't have your cake and eat it too, you can't have it all at one time, but you can live a normal life, I guess.

06:08:13.620 And it's just what I wanted to portray.

06:08:15.440 Sure.

06:08:15.780 You said that you had a somewhat promiscuous past.

06:08:19.260 Yes.

06:08:19.540 Are you able to get into the degree to which your past was promiscuous?

06:08:23.880 Yeah, sure.

06:08:24.720 So, my, so I met my husband when I was 18.

06:08:27.880 Like I said in the very beginning, hours ago, it seems like now.

06:08:31.620 And how old was he?

06:08:33.100 He was 22.

06:08:35.800 Yeah.

06:08:36.300 And we were, we started dating.

06:08:40.340 Super predator.

06:08:40.740 I just, I mean, I was, I hate to just stereotype 18 year olds, but I was just kind of a crazy 18 year old.

06:08:46.160 Like, the whole nine yards, like birth control, hormonal, just, just all of it.

06:08:52.000 And just, I picked all the fights.

06:08:55.000 I was very clingy, had no concept of God really at all at the time.

06:09:01.100 He broke up with me, surprise, surprise, because I was very unstable.

06:09:05.060 And he was also leaving the country.

06:09:06.760 So, why would he trust me while he's gone, right?

06:09:09.920 So, he left the country for a while, like off to the military, broke up with me over phone call.

06:09:16.220 I want to talk about getting, I guess it wasn't ghosted, but he basically called me up and was like,

06:09:19.900 we're done, I'm not doing this with you anymore.

06:09:22.640 No explanation, no closure, any of that blocked me, the whole thing.

06:09:27.340 And that was the period of time where I had a little bit of a promiscuous activity.

06:09:33.060 So, just things like casual dating, a couple of one night stands.

06:09:37.520 Ultimately, I feel that it brought me further away.

06:09:42.020 I mean, looking back on it now, it's always 2020, but it ultimately brought me further away from my ultimate goal of wanting to have peace and a full family unit, because I didn't have that growing up.

06:09:54.600 And I just kind of realized that all of those one night stands chipped away a little bit at my soul, if you will.

06:10:01.720 I don't want to be dramatic, but I do believe that my soul was tied to those people.

06:10:06.100 I had to do a lot of spiritual work, a lot of prayer to kind of move past that.

06:10:13.000 Yeah, what can I say after that?

06:10:14.780 So, months pass.

06:10:16.020 We finally get into contact over, you know, just subliminal social media.

06:10:20.560 Funny enough, I posted a picture on social media from Halloween, and he saw it and slid in back into my DMs.

06:10:28.300 So, that's actually how we reconnected.

06:10:29.880 So, I totally agree that women are, that is how women advertise, to kind of drop the proverbial handkerchief, if you will.

06:10:39.960 You said also marriage should be a priority for women 20 to 30.

06:10:45.000 Yes, definitely.

06:10:45.720 Does the table agree with this?

06:10:46.940 Table of thoughts on this really quick.

06:10:49.080 Won't linger, but should women prioritize marriage 20 to 30?

06:10:54.800 If you want to be married in your 30s, then you should prioritize dating to get married in your 20s.

06:11:00.260 You have to be forward thinking about this.

06:11:01.960 I'll add that, too.

06:11:03.160 If marriage is something that you want, which, you know, you could get to a point where it's too late, you look back and you want to take it back, and it might be hard to take it back.

06:11:10.960 If marriage is something that you do want, then, yeah, I mean, that should be your number one, I mean, outside of work.

06:11:15.940 It should be if you want to have children.

06:11:18.240 That, too, yeah.

06:11:19.120 It's way easier for women to do when they're younger, way harder when they're older, which is why were they one of the most developed countries in the entire world?

06:11:28.580 Might be some other fucking Sweden or bullshit you can point to, but one of the most developed in the world, and we have a really high mortality rate when it comes to women in childbirth, which is very, very strange.

06:11:43.160 The reason for that is because they're having kids in their 30s.

06:11:46.000 That's it.

06:11:47.040 That's why it's been on the incline.

06:11:48.420 That's why it's been going up, because the age that women have children is going up.

06:11:53.080 You said modern feminism is a lie.

06:11:56.800 Yes, so I've been referring that to my friends.

06:11:59.100 I have a lot of friends that are starting to get married and wake up, and they're realizing, wait, I'm married now, and, you know, he's this great guy and everything, but I'm still working, and now I have to still do all the wifely duties.

06:12:12.680 So I call that the lie, which is feminism.

06:12:16.140 You've been sold.

06:12:17.280 Oh, you guys are going to get in this relationship.

06:12:18.760 It's all going to be equal.

06:12:19.780 You're all equal.

06:12:20.520 Everything is interchangeable.

06:12:22.900 And then you get married, and at least I realize, oh, it's actually not.

06:12:26.660 He's still, I'm so sorry, dear.

06:12:28.660 He's still going to leave stuff in the dishes.

06:12:31.060 Like, there's just stuff that I would attribute to mostly being male behavior that I kind of come in and compliment him in that way.

06:12:40.200 And I feel like a lot of my friends, specifically the ones that are working still in the workforce, feel very overwhelmed, I guess, by having to be at all.

06:12:50.800 You've got to be the girl boss.

06:12:52.000 You have to be the wife.

06:12:53.120 You have to be the mother.

06:12:54.000 You have to do it all at one time.

06:12:55.820 So you're more, like, against, like, 50-50 relationships in general?

06:13:00.800 Am I against them?

06:13:02.100 Yeah.

06:13:02.580 Is that more of, like, that sounds more like what you're speaking on.

06:13:05.700 I don't know if I'm against them so much as I just think it just is kind of how the dynamics work.

06:13:11.380 And I think feminism sells.

06:13:12.900 You can just work, you can work your tail off, and you can have it all, and you're going to be this girl boss.

06:13:17.340 And you're also going to be able to come home and be, you know, Suzu Q wife with the perfect hair.

06:13:23.260 And at least that's what I felt.

06:13:25.520 I was kind of sold.

06:13:26.860 Okay.

06:13:27.220 I agree with you on that point.

06:13:28.700 You said women feel like they're drowning due to full-time work and caregiving.

06:13:32.920 Mm-hmm.

06:13:33.760 Yeah.

06:13:34.120 But moving on from that, you said, I agree with most of what Brian says, though he's harsh on makeup.

06:13:40.620 Okay.

06:13:41.100 Also curious about his Myers-Briggs type.

06:13:43.180 Yes.

06:13:43.260 Oh, my gosh.

06:13:43.660 I would love to know your Myers-Briggs.

06:13:44.700 Honestly, I mean, so here's the interesting thing.

06:13:46.820 I took it when I was 18, and I got typed as ENFP.

06:13:52.000 There is no way I'm ENFP.

06:13:55.100 No.

06:13:55.160 So I haven't taken it since.

06:13:57.000 I'm probably IS.

06:13:58.700 I think I'm, like, IST.

06:14:02.540 P or J would make sense.

06:14:03.840 I don't know.

06:14:04.700 I really don't know anything.

06:14:06.740 You said he's harsh on makeup.

06:14:08.500 So what specifically?

06:14:11.060 Okay.

06:14:11.400 I do get that.

06:14:12.320 Oh, wait.

06:14:12.600 I do get that.

06:14:13.460 We'll pull that up in a sec.

06:14:14.580 Go ahead.

06:14:15.140 I know what you're about to pull up, and I know that point that it can be incredibly deceptive.

06:14:19.660 However, if women are supposed to, you know, get guys based on our beauty, should we not do maybe some things here and there to enhance our beauty without being maybe fully on deceptive?

06:14:35.960 Like, you know, is there a way to do makeup, I guess, that's not deceptive?

06:14:40.180 I mean, if it wasn't changing your appearance, women wouldn't wear it.

06:14:45.420 Like, if it wasn't actually doing something to alter how you look in some way that you perceive as improving how you look, what would be?

06:14:56.340 Like, imagine if you could just put on makeup, but your face looked exactly the same.

06:15:02.800 Would women do it?

06:15:04.560 No.

06:15:05.600 No.

06:15:05.920 I don't think they would.

06:15:07.280 But isn't that also, like, wouldn't you dress better for a date as well, too?

06:15:11.120 Like, someone who's wearing pants that are very unflattering to their body, they're going to look more attractive if they just wear pants that are flattering to their body.

06:15:19.920 Makeup naturally accentuates what's already there and brings out those beautiful features.

06:15:25.080 But there is a bit of an asymmetry there in that men typically don't wear makeup, and if they did, while there are some women who I guess might be okay with it.

06:15:34.500 I love with it.

06:15:35.660 Sure, but for an outlier, I would say most women would be severely, like, red flag, turned off.

06:15:44.960 This is not a masculine man.

06:15:46.360 This is a feminine man.

06:15:47.600 Why is he wearing makeup?

06:15:48.700 Why is he insecure?

06:15:50.920 So there's an asymmetry there in terms of the means by which we can elevate our physical appearance.

06:15:56.760 I think that, like, is very, very different considering if you're asking a conservative woman what she's looking for in a relationship and what may be more like a more...

06:16:04.240 Honestly, I don't even think liberal women want to date men with makeup.

06:16:09.840 A lot do.

06:16:10.800 I would disagree with that, personally.

06:16:12.580 Even liberal women seem to still want some of the more traditional aspects of masculinity.

06:16:18.140 Yeah, all I ever complain about on their TikToks is how they can't find masculine men because they're liberals.

06:16:22.440 All these soy boys.

06:16:23.400 Well, I want a guy to chivalry and I want a guy to pay for dates, but I'm a fucking...

06:16:28.300 I don't think a man putting on eyeliner makes him less of a man.

06:16:32.660 I don't think that...

06:16:33.780 I don't understand how putting on eyeliner makes you less or more of a man.

06:16:38.740 I don't think that it has an impact on you like that.

06:16:40.840 Especially because in centering back in the day, men used to wear heels.

06:16:45.840 Men used to wear dresses.

06:16:46.540 Well, they didn't wear heels, but they wore lifts.

06:16:48.280 That's true.

06:16:48.780 Heels were...

06:16:49.480 Yeah.

06:16:50.100 Heels were...

06:16:50.880 They were lifts.

06:16:52.100 Invented for men.

06:16:53.760 Yeah.

06:16:54.240 For lifts.

06:16:54.880 Society and makeup was primarily used by women.

06:16:58.220 But I want to be careful about loaded language, right?

06:17:00.980 Because, no, they didn't have heels.

06:17:04.480 Heels is a invention, a recent invention to accentuate women's legs.

06:17:09.600 Okay, that's what a heel is.

06:17:11.800 The shoe shape and contour is designed for that.

06:17:14.500 No, men weren't wearing heels.

06:17:16.920 They were wearing lifted shoes.

06:17:18.720 The reason progressives call them heels is because they want it to seem like it was gender neutral.

06:17:24.460 It wasn't gender neutral.

06:17:26.080 I would say that's pretty equivalent to women wearing platforms, though.

06:17:28.780 Platforms...

06:17:29.420 I would consider platforms to be more effeminate.

06:17:32.880 Same with dresses.

06:17:34.200 Like in skirts, we've seen all throughout history, men have worn skirts, men have worn dresses.

06:17:38.760 So, here's the thing.

06:17:39.780 It's part of certain cultures.

06:17:41.020 When you have a technology for...

06:17:43.860 And I would consider dress even technology, forms of technology.

06:17:48.160 I can understand why a kilt or something like this...

06:17:51.040 Yeah, a kilt.

06:17:51.980 Depending on the type of environment that you're in, the type of culture that you're in,

06:17:56.120 you could say these are more masculine or more feminine.

06:17:58.720 Okay?

06:17:59.260 That's fine to say.

06:18:00.380 But inside of the cultural norms that you find yourself in right this second, that is

06:18:05.900 not the case.

06:18:07.080 And so, when we associate masculinity and femininity to things, well, you could say things like

06:18:12.060 culture have social constructs in them for those things that may be true, but it does

06:18:17.540 seem like men do gravitate towards things which suit masculine outside of just the social

06:18:24.400 construction aspects of this.

06:18:25.940 So, yeah, I can just kind of grant, yeah, sure, there's always been men who've worn makeup.

06:18:30.440 In fact, I liked watching glam bands.

06:18:32.920 I thought they sounded awesome.

06:18:34.500 Like watching rock stars.

06:18:35.860 They're wearing makeup all the time.

06:18:37.340 Yeah.

06:18:37.500 News anchors are wearing makeup all the time.

06:18:39.260 That's true.

06:18:40.220 But it doesn't seem like there's a huge preference from women to have men around who are wearing

06:18:45.780 makeup because it's not perceived as being masculine.

06:18:49.140 Yeah.

06:18:49.380 I would also say there's not like a huge preference for traditional men.

06:18:52.680 And I would say they probably wouldn't go for women who dress like me either.

06:18:56.860 I think the way you present yourself is going to attract people who, you know.

06:19:01.800 Totally agree.

06:19:02.600 You know?

06:19:03.320 Yeah, totally agree.

06:19:04.020 The way I dress.

06:19:04.600 Yeah, you're sending out a bat signal.

06:19:06.740 Yeah.

06:19:06.820 I'm not going, I'm not trying to attract men like you.

06:19:08.980 And I don't mean that in any disrespect.

06:19:10.680 I understand, yeah.

06:19:10.860 I'm trying to attract men like my partner because, you know, he's emo.

06:19:15.160 He loves wearing eyeliner.

06:19:16.820 He's an emo rapper?

06:19:17.960 Okay.

06:19:18.580 He used to be emo.

06:19:19.540 He's an emo rapper?

06:19:20.520 He's more like, he started with emo rap and now he's more like a mainstream.

06:19:25.720 Don't care.

06:19:25.760 I'm sorry.

06:19:26.080 Okay.

06:19:26.360 But in any case, what I'm saying.

06:19:27.780 I've got to ask the question.

06:19:28.580 What I'm saying is, is like, let me give you an example of something that we would agree

06:19:33.960 on would not be a social construction in a beauty standard between men and women.

06:19:38.980 I don't think you can point to a culture where men wanted their women to have beards.

06:19:44.420 No.

06:19:44.980 No.

06:19:45.520 But definitely in almost all cultures, it was considered masculine to have a beard.

06:19:50.680 Yeah.

06:19:51.200 I also think makeup's kind of different though because beard is, if a woman is growing a

06:19:56.560 beard, it's usually a hormonal issue.

06:19:57.680 All I'm saying is that there can be kind of what you would consider these gendered social

06:20:03.420 constructions, which map on, that are socially constructed, but there's also ones that aren't.

06:20:08.540 Well, I would assume that most men would find a woman with a beard unattractive because

06:20:13.160 it shows that she has a severe hormonal imbalance.

06:20:16.300 And if we just go back to evolution, men and women are going to go for a healthy mate.

06:20:21.100 No one is going to go for a sickly looking mate.

06:20:23.840 I'm willing to even agree.

06:20:26.160 I just don't think it's really all that relevant.

06:20:28.940 So when you're talking about makeup in the perception of society, right?

06:20:33.420 Femboys are what is associated with makeup, not masculinity in any way, shape, or form.

06:20:40.700 And it's because, so I would argue that you could perhaps make makeup even masculine from

06:20:46.980 a socially constructed standpoint if it wasn't for all the feminine men who wore it instead

06:20:52.000 of the masculine men who wore it.

06:20:53.720 He's like very, very masculine.

06:20:55.760 I'm not saying your particular instance that you don't have the most masculine guyliner

06:21:01.500 wearing guy on planet earth.

06:21:03.240 I'm saying that most of the dudes who are out there wearing guyliner are femboys.

06:21:08.200 Sure.

06:21:08.420 But there's also a lot of grudge makeup.

06:21:10.640 There's also, there's a lot of different like subcategories when you come to men wearing

06:21:14.640 makeup.

06:21:15.220 I just don't think like...

06:21:16.040 That's why we talk about normie people though.

06:21:18.560 Like, yeah, okay.

06:21:19.380 Goth people are going to want to date other goth people.

06:21:23.000 It's not really like, so it doesn't really do anything to rebut the general statement

06:21:28.520 that generally speaking...

06:21:29.920 It's deceptive.

06:21:30.640 Like, well, that women would not find men who wear makeup attractive.

06:21:38.320 Or they might, even if the man, even if the man is attractive absent makeup, if he were

06:21:43.200 to wear it, she would perhaps question, this is a bit strange.

06:21:49.420 I got, I got something I got to ask though.

06:21:51.460 This is going to be brutal.

06:21:53.040 I wonder if I should even ask it to Brian, but I have to.

06:21:55.660 Brian, do you ever wear makeup on camera?

06:21:58.040 Huh?

06:21:58.500 Do you ever wear makeup on camera?

06:21:59.820 What do you mean?

06:22:01.040 Do you ever wear makeup on camera?

06:22:02.940 Like powder your face or anything like that ever?

06:22:05.200 You've never done it?

06:22:06.020 No.

06:22:06.260 A lot of actors do.

06:22:07.200 Never?

06:22:07.680 Never.

06:22:08.140 Not translucent, nothing?

06:22:09.660 Do you think that it's not masculine to do?

06:22:12.000 What do you mean?

06:22:13.020 Like if people do, before they get on camera, actors, anchors, things like that, if they

06:22:18.660 put on makeup?

06:22:19.900 What do you mean?

06:22:20.540 Do you think that it's not masculine for men who put on makeup in those roles?

06:22:24.240 Where are you going?

06:22:25.260 I'm not sure.

06:22:25.640 I'm just asking if you think it's masculine or not.

06:22:27.980 I'm not sure I want to, I don't know what this has to do with anything.

06:22:32.240 Well, is it or isn't it?

06:22:33.800 Why are you asking?

06:22:34.560 I don't know.

06:22:34.940 I feel like I'm walking into a trap or something, bro.

06:22:37.720 I feel like I'm walking into a fucking trap, bro.

06:22:39.620 It's like stage makeup and everyday wearing makeup.

06:22:42.200 Yeah, yeah.

06:22:42.760 It's totally different.

06:22:44.780 Because like you're going to have your actors and your plays and your rock stars wearing

06:22:48.940 it on stage.

06:22:48.960 But if the objection is deception, that's a deception.

06:22:51.980 But that's like their character, right?

06:22:53.380 Yeah, but that's the, it's still a deception, right?

06:22:55.880 Yeah.

06:22:56.760 Like you don't want, you don't want your news anchors to look ugly, right?

06:23:00.800 Nobody wants to watch it.

06:23:01.980 Soak up the oil and.

06:23:03.740 Yeah.

06:23:04.360 I don't know.

06:23:04.960 I've never, I've never, like I've never cared about the makeup thing.

06:23:08.840 It's never been a thing for me.

06:23:10.140 But I know that there's men who are way into this idea of no makeup on women.

06:23:15.120 So.

06:23:15.960 Okay.

06:23:16.160 So anyways, moving back to the makeup thing from you, harsh on makeup.

06:23:21.920 So you were saying that, well, why, what was your thing?

06:23:26.820 Me?

06:23:27.300 Oh, if women, if we are attracting men based on our appearance, shouldn't we do what we

06:23:33.580 can to enhance that appearance?

06:23:36.100 And maybe not deceptively.

06:23:38.120 Yeah.

06:23:38.380 So I think you said something along the lines of, okay, so.

06:23:45.200 If men care so much about makeup, then, or sorry, if men care so much about physical

06:23:51.280 appearance, what is wrong with us trying to improve by wearing makeup?

06:23:56.760 Yeah.

06:23:57.180 Right.

06:23:57.440 Especially if it's not, you know, super permanent augmentation.

06:24:00.920 If you get to know this female and you are intending to marry her, you will inevitably see her

06:24:05.960 without makeup.

06:24:07.700 So, I mean, couldn't you just make the argument like, okay, well, women really care about a

06:24:11.540 man's wealth or status.

06:24:13.100 So, well, it's okay for a man to, to lie about his job or occupation because women really care

06:24:18.920 about this in an effort to get women more attracted or attracted period to them.

06:24:24.940 And there's justified reason for a man to, who works at McDonald's to just say, well,

06:24:29.300 I'm a lawyer.

06:24:31.740 Logically, that makes sense.

06:24:34.060 Isn't that very different?

06:24:35.080 Because if you see a woman with eyeliner, do you just assume that she always has black

06:24:39.040 lines on her eyes?

06:24:40.740 No.

06:24:41.220 I don't assume that, but if you're lying about your job, why would I assume that you're lying

06:24:45.560 about your job?

06:24:46.100 The reason that this is gendered with makeup, what I was getting into, the reason that it

06:24:50.480 actually is, is because women wear makeup to make themselves look younger.

06:24:56.680 That's why they wear it.

06:24:58.540 And because the reason that they want to make themselves look younger usually is because

06:25:03.020 that's a status for attraction is that you look younger.

06:25:05.720 That's what makes you more attractive.

06:25:07.840 Even women seem to think so with other women when they judge each other's makeup, right?

06:25:12.520 You look so beautiful.

06:25:14.040 You look so vibrant.

06:25:15.600 You're glowing.

06:25:16.320 You're all, yeah, this is all signs of youth, right?

06:25:20.520 And I have never seen a woman, in other words, do her makeup to make herself look older, ever.

06:25:26.580 They always do their makeup to make themselves look younger.

06:25:28.940 And that's why it's actually gendered, is because we, men, care, again, about youth and

06:25:36.800 beauty of women.

06:25:38.220 They don't really give a shit about that with us.

06:25:41.120 So when you're talking about the deception, the deception of makeup, to verbalize why I

06:25:46.680 think Brian and many men like him object to it is because they feel like women are deceiving

06:25:51.560 people about what they actually look like, what their real age is, what their real youthful

06:25:56.200 appearance is.

06:25:56.920 So they feel like they're getting hornswoggled.

06:25:59.360 I just think it's very obvious when a woman has a high amount of makeup.

06:26:02.940 And I think you obviously know she's not going to look like that when she takes her makeup

06:26:06.420 off.

06:26:06.440 Oh, really?

06:26:07.620 No.

06:26:08.160 Let me, you should see this cool video that we can show you right now because, no, I've

06:26:15.340 seen women wipe a whole different face off.

06:26:17.840 Yeah.

06:26:18.680 Nick, do you want to just pull up the tweet?

06:26:19.880 You can tell when a woman's wearing a lot of makeup.

06:26:21.840 What about this?

06:26:23.200 Makeup is not a line.

06:26:24.000 It just accentuates her natural features.

06:26:26.920 Doesn't even look like the same person.

06:26:30.360 Looks like a dude.

06:26:31.480 It also, but also she's posing very, very differently.

06:26:34.680 Oh, come on.

06:26:35.360 I do think that's a factor, but.

06:26:37.560 It's like.

06:26:38.420 It's, I mean.

06:26:39.340 She does look a lot hotter in the right.

06:26:41.980 I'm not going to dispute that.

06:26:42.520 What do you mean different?

06:26:43.440 It's, it's like you expect people to be in the exact.

06:26:46.720 No, because it looks like in that one she posed, there's also lighting that's a factor

06:26:50.660 in that one.

06:26:51.520 And this one, it looks like it was like a screenshot taken about video.

06:26:53.780 Added to lips, her eye, her eyebrows, everything, her lashes, everything is different.

06:26:58.940 It's the same angle.

06:27:00.340 Her face is tilted the same way.

06:27:02.840 I, like I said, I said on the right, she looks more attractive.

06:27:06.280 I'm not going to dispute that.

06:27:07.740 Which one looks older?

06:27:09.600 Um, I think they look the same age to me.

06:27:11.840 I, I, if you're asking me personally, I think they look the same age.

06:27:16.840 Do you like, do you usually associate baldness with youth?

06:27:20.260 Baldness?

06:27:20.800 Mm-hmm.

06:27:21.680 No.

06:27:22.300 No?

06:27:22.920 No.

06:27:23.800 But.

06:27:24.060 Usually you associate that with age?

06:27:26.180 Yeah.

06:27:26.760 Yeah.

06:27:27.040 Same thing.

06:27:27.500 What about lines under the eyes?

06:27:28.820 You usually associate that with youth or age?

06:27:31.240 Yeah.

06:27:31.900 You associate lines under the eyes, sagging eyes, wrinkles.

06:27:35.000 You associate those things with age, right?

06:27:36.820 Overall, yes.

06:27:37.360 Okay.

06:27:37.760 So then why don't you take a look at that and tell me why the, why she wasn't

06:27:41.740 putting bags under her eyes, why she wasn't adding wrinkles?

06:27:44.360 No, I don't.

06:27:44.860 It's because she was trying to make herself look younger.

06:27:47.060 Well, I think she just made herself look prettier.

06:27:49.860 I wouldn't necessarily, I, I don't know, I don't know because when I put on, when I

06:27:53.640 put on makeup, I don't.

06:27:54.620 That's how they make themselves look.

06:27:55.720 I, I guess I just don't do that with makeup.

06:27:57.660 I don't put on, I don't do super big wings to make myself look younger.

06:28:01.220 Well, you, you, you may not have to.

06:28:02.220 You're still pretty, you're still pretty, you're still pretty young.

06:28:04.580 Yeah, so I guess it's a type of difference.

06:28:04.940 But you can understand that women in their forties, there's tons and tons of wrinkle remover

06:28:09.700 cream.

06:28:10.140 Have you ever seen wrinkle edition cream?

06:28:12.840 Because I've never seen it.

06:28:14.340 Never seen that shit.

06:28:15.860 Ever.

06:28:17.020 Because I don't, I don't, I mean, maybe it exists in the abstract for some movie or something,

06:28:21.140 but I don't think you can go to a makeup counter and say, can you give me the add wrinkle

06:28:26.060 cream?

06:28:26.940 I'd love to look older, please.

06:28:28.660 Yeah, no woman ever said no woman ever.

06:28:29.640 I'm sorry, and my skincare routine is ridiculous.

06:28:33.020 Yeah.

06:28:33.220 Like the things that I do, I mean, you could ask my husband, he's like, why are you putting

06:28:36.800 that shit on your face?

06:28:38.120 All right, moving things on here.

06:28:39.120 And then the last thing from you, Peyton, you said dressing to attract the right man,

06:28:45.140 avoid fillers.

06:28:46.460 Are you talking about face fillers?

06:28:47.860 Yes.

06:28:49.360 I agree with that.

06:28:50.420 Agreed.

06:28:51.060 Okay, agreed.

06:28:52.120 And then the dressing to the attract the right person, we already touched on that earlier.

06:28:55.660 You dress where you want to attract.

06:28:57.300 Sure.

06:28:57.480 Vanessa, you said you went on the first date with a guy who ended up just crying in your

06:29:02.580 arms most of the time?

06:29:03.580 Yes.

06:29:04.960 Did you consider that masculine or feminine?

06:29:08.480 Feminine.

06:29:09.840 I'm sorry.

06:29:10.540 I'm sorry.

06:29:10.840 I'm sorry.

06:29:11.380 Into the mic.

06:29:12.200 I felt like a man in the moment.

06:29:13.600 And this is why.

06:29:17.060 And I was the one driving.

06:29:18.200 Probably not a great feeling, probably.

06:29:20.700 No.

06:29:21.060 No, probably not.

06:29:22.060 You said he begged you to go back to his hotel room together to fuck.

06:29:26.480 Yes.

06:29:27.200 And ended up just.

06:29:29.980 What?

06:29:30.380 I don't know.

06:29:34.860 This is funny.

06:29:35.960 She is.

06:29:36.720 That shit was funny.

06:29:37.340 Who would be the perfect couple?

06:29:38.620 I'm like, what?

06:29:38.820 That shit was funny, bro.

06:29:40.300 She is.

06:29:41.660 Did he cry during it?

06:29:43.680 Oh, I didn't do anything.

06:29:44.620 I'm kidding.

06:29:45.800 Is that why he was crying?

06:29:49.080 And you ended up.

06:29:50.240 He ended up just continuing to cry once we got back to the room just to be with me forever

06:29:55.580 that we would be the perfect.

06:29:57.580 And he was saying you guys would be the perfect couple.

06:29:59.880 Yeah.

06:30:00.380 And what made it worse is he was my boss.

06:30:03.420 Oh, my gosh.

06:30:04.280 In the porn industry?

06:30:05.600 Oh, no.

06:30:06.120 This was politics.

06:30:08.440 Oh, my.

06:30:09.680 Awkward.

06:30:09.880 Why was he crying?

06:30:10.980 Just because he was so.

06:30:12.220 He was just like in love with me, I guess.

06:30:14.060 I was like, I don't know what I did to you.

06:30:15.160 I'm so mean to you.

06:30:15.860 Watch.

06:30:18.680 He got a haircut once.

06:30:23.420 He got a haircut once.

06:30:24.680 And I was like, yeah, it looks fine.

06:30:26.320 He's like, no, you think I'm ugly.

06:30:27.620 I was like, I'm just kidding.

06:30:29.840 I was like that.

06:30:33.080 Yeah.

06:30:34.380 Interesting, right?

06:30:36.700 Okay.

06:30:37.180 You said.

06:30:37.580 I'm just picturing a guy laying in your lap crying the whole time in politics.

06:30:42.660 Yeah.

06:30:43.460 Okay.

06:30:44.180 He must be a Democrat.

06:30:45.260 Was he a Democrat?

06:30:47.480 Were you guys running in politics for Democrats?

06:30:50.160 No, he wasn't Democrat.

06:30:51.500 No?

06:30:52.580 He was a Democrat.

06:30:53.540 Liberal.

06:30:53.840 RFK.

06:30:54.800 No, Republican.

06:30:56.540 Huh?

06:30:56.920 Do you assume he's a Democrat because he cried?

06:30:58.540 Yeah.

06:30:59.680 No, she said he was a Republican.

06:31:04.180 What's that?

06:31:04.920 He was a Republican.

06:31:05.900 Do you guys like have takes on like men who cry?

06:31:08.800 Like, do you think men shouldn't cry?

06:31:10.440 Yeah, I don't think men should cry.

06:31:12.020 Should Democrats be the only ones who cry?

06:31:12.860 I think that they should, I think that, I think there's one appropriate time for men

06:31:17.580 to cry and that's when a family member dies.

06:31:20.080 Maybe a dog.

06:31:21.020 I think that's really sad.

06:31:21.960 Agreed.

06:31:23.040 No, not even at a birth of a child, I wouldn't say.

06:31:25.540 Hold on though.

06:31:26.180 You don't think a birth of a child to make you cry?

06:31:27.760 I think you should maintain stoicism even at the birth of a child.

06:31:31.220 That's crazy.

06:31:31.720 So I can't, okay, hold on.

06:31:34.080 I agree.

06:31:36.020 She's already crying enough for the both of you, Hannah.

06:31:38.380 I agree.

06:31:39.960 I agree.

06:31:40.220 Okay, you said, why is it okay for men to sleep with as many people they want, but suddenly

06:31:44.840 it's terrible if a woman does the same?

06:31:47.280 Yeah.

06:31:49.060 It's the same thing at the end of the day.

06:31:51.600 She's got a point.

06:31:52.760 What do you mean?

06:31:53.980 Like, if you had sex with 100 people and I had sex with 100 people, it's different.

06:31:58.480 Is it though?

06:32:01.860 It's the same thing.

06:32:02.840 You're both ran through a news, same rate.

06:32:06.000 Well, I guess it depends on how you're viewing it.

06:32:08.580 So in terms of like what the objection is to being raised, for example, it is different

06:32:14.840 and here's one way.

06:32:16.860 One way it's different is it's actually very easy for women to sleep with men.

06:32:21.600 So I think, but I'm not sure if this is the objection that you're raising.

06:32:24.460 For example, why is it like a man is big upped if he's able to sleep with a lot of women,

06:32:30.100 but a woman is deemed a slut, for example.

06:32:32.540 I'm not sure if that's your objection, but I think my statement of it's easy for women

06:32:37.620 to sleep with a man, it's relatively comparatively harder for men to sleep with women.

06:32:41.900 I think that would defeat the objection there, but I'm not sure if that's the objection you're

06:32:46.020 raising.

06:32:47.660 Kind of, yeah.

06:32:48.820 But it's also different for me because my line of work.

06:32:51.880 Yeah, just if you can a little closer to the mic.

06:32:54.320 Oh, it's different for me because like my line of work, like I'll work with like 10 different

06:32:57.920 people a week and then like, they're like, oh, like if I sleep with like someone else,

06:33:01.700 like that's like making up for you doing all that all week.

06:33:03.840 I'm like, no, it's not the same thing.

06:33:05.740 Oh, well, that's a different conversation.

06:33:08.560 So now you're talking about your, well, are you, are you talking about, so you're dating

06:33:14.380 civilian men and they have an issue with you fucking men on camera.

06:33:20.160 But then if they say, well, I should be able to fuck other civilian women because you're

06:33:24.500 fucking men on camera, you're saying, no, that's different.

06:33:29.180 Yeah.

06:33:29.960 Just so I, I want to make sure I understand.

06:33:32.200 It's different because they're choosing, but like, I'm talking about like also body

06:33:35.780 counts, like how.

06:33:36.340 You're choosing.

06:33:38.160 What do you mean?

06:33:39.380 Like, do you want to choose who you want to sleep with?

06:33:41.580 And I'm not really, I'm just working.

06:33:43.720 So choosing who you sleep with.

06:33:45.800 Yeah.

06:33:46.300 But you're choosing porn, like sleeping with them and as a job.

06:33:49.700 Wait, that's the weirdest argument that I've ever heard.

06:33:52.060 So to get this right, he's, he's choosing, but you're not choosing.

06:33:58.340 How are you not choosing here?

06:34:00.080 The only difference is you're getting paid.

06:34:01.740 Yeah.

06:34:03.020 Yeah.

06:34:03.280 But hang on.

06:34:03.660 Let her answer.

06:34:04.180 Hang on.

06:34:04.640 How are you not choosing though?

06:34:06.580 Like I'm not choosing who I'm working with.

06:34:08.360 I don't know.

06:34:09.620 But you are choosing the kind of work you're doing, which, which there's going to be a necessary

06:34:15.060 entailment of the work you're doing.

06:34:16.760 You cannot do corn if you do not do corn, right?

06:34:22.480 True.

06:34:23.600 So, so wouldn't an entailment of doing corn mean that you're going to be sleeping with

06:34:28.320 people?

06:34:28.780 So, I mean, how are you not choosing that?

06:34:31.180 I guess it's just choosing on who you sleep with really, like at the end of the day.

06:34:35.080 So then by this logic, if your man came to you and said to you, listen, I just want to

06:34:41.480 let you know, I am going to be sleeping with other women, but my best friend's going to

06:34:45.940 pick them for me.

06:34:46.580 I have no choice.

06:34:49.340 Would that make sense to you?

06:34:50.980 Would you say, sure?

06:34:52.800 Sure.

06:34:53.180 Why not?

06:34:53.540 I guess.

06:34:53.960 I don't know.

06:34:54.460 It's the same thing at the end of the day.

06:34:55.920 So as long as he just, so as long as he's not picking them, but his best friend is no

06:35:02.140 objection, I guess, I don't know, but if he's picking them, then you object.

06:35:08.280 Sure.

06:35:10.140 Okay.

06:35:11.020 I don't know.

06:35:12.220 Okay.

06:35:12.620 Okay.

06:35:15.300 Yeah.

06:35:15.860 Why, why is it when a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, she's called a slut, but when a guy

06:35:22.800 does the same thing, he's called gay.

06:35:24.620 It's fucked up, man.

06:35:28.400 Fucking double standards, bro.

06:35:31.400 Bullshit.

06:35:31.960 I still like that old key analogy, the master key analogy.

06:35:35.240 That one's my favorite.

06:35:36.140 She doesn't like that one.

06:35:37.460 No?

06:35:37.880 No.

06:35:38.340 She doesn't like it.

06:35:40.060 Well, I just think it's equivalent to a pencil.

06:35:42.440 I wouldn't want to use a pencil that's been used over and over and over until it's dull

06:35:47.020 and unusable.

06:35:48.420 I think that's the same thing as like the key argument.

06:35:51.620 Actually, it's the same.

06:35:55.800 Because the key argument is like one.

06:35:59.320 Okay.

06:35:59.580 Okay.

06:35:59.860 Explain the key argument to me.

06:36:01.280 Because I'm not able to verbalize it.

06:36:03.640 So I'll explain the key argument.

06:36:04.980 Explain the key argument.

06:36:05.960 Yeah.

06:36:06.240 Well, it's not an argument, right?

06:36:07.940 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:36:08.860 For one.

06:36:08.880 It's just like a funny thing to say.

06:36:10.700 Metaphor.

06:36:11.000 But here's the key argument.

06:36:12.540 It works like this.

06:36:13.620 It says, a lock which can be opened with many keys is a shitty lock.

06:36:21.560 But a key which can open any lock is a master key.

06:36:26.660 You genuinely believe that?

06:36:28.380 No.

06:36:28.900 Oh, okay.

06:36:29.620 But I still think it's fucking hilarious.

06:36:31.640 Yeah.

06:36:33.540 Yeah.

06:36:34.140 I just think it's fucking hilarious.

06:36:35.280 I just think it's funny.

06:36:36.660 I mean, I think, I don't think this was really her argument.

06:36:42.820 I think it's perhaps this double standard exists somewhat because, again, it's easy.

06:36:49.240 It's easy to get laid as a woman.

06:36:51.300 Not so easy as a man.

06:36:54.540 So you're saying that men are easy when you say that statement.

06:36:58.240 You're saying that men are very, very easy.

06:37:00.040 Yeah, they are.

06:37:01.740 That's crazy.

06:37:02.540 I just wanted to clarify that.

06:37:03.520 Do you disagree?

06:37:05.140 You don't think they're easy?

06:37:07.380 Yeah, I would agree with your statement there.

06:37:10.440 I just didn't know if that was your viewpoint.

06:37:11.840 Oh, so why is that a crazy statement?

06:37:13.960 I just, most men would disagree with that take, I would say.

06:37:17.100 No, most men would.

06:37:18.060 Most men would not say that they're easy.

06:37:20.280 Most men would actually argue that women are easy.

06:37:23.040 You're, hold on, you're individualizing this.

06:37:24.900 So, I think most men would be like, is it easy for a woman who wants to fuck a guy for the woman to fuck the guy?

06:37:32.620 Yeah, most men would say yes.

06:37:34.340 Yeah, so men are easy.

06:37:37.900 But you're saying most men would not say that men are easy.

06:37:43.920 Well, what's, hang on, you're talking past each other.

06:37:46.060 What's meant by easy?

06:37:47.820 Like, just ease of sleeping with ex?

06:37:51.280 Yeah.

06:37:51.820 Okay.

06:37:52.280 So, I mean, it just sounds like, it sounds like men have really low spirits.

06:37:54.020 So, if that's the case, I can guarantee you, if that's what the standard is, there's no man you're ever going to meet in your life who, you ask this question, is it easier for a woman to sleep with a man than a man or woman who will ever answer anything other than yes?

06:38:06.300 It's always easier for the woman.

06:38:07.800 I agree.

06:38:08.840 Right.

06:38:09.040 I think that's because men are easy.

06:38:10.200 That's every man on planet Earth is going to agree with this.

06:38:12.520 But you think men.

06:38:13.980 But you said you don't think men would say that.

06:38:15.800 That statement, if you agree by that, you're literally saying that men are easy.

06:38:19.620 So, men are obliged to counter the truth?

06:38:23.160 No, it just seems, based off that statement, men give it up easy.

06:38:29.600 That's what it seems like you guys are saying.

06:38:31.900 Yes, I do.

06:38:33.420 But you agree.

06:38:34.100 I don't understand how.

06:38:35.140 You agree.

06:38:36.600 I'm confused.

06:38:37.480 Do you agree?

06:38:38.460 Yeah, I just wanted to clarify it.

06:38:40.180 Because I think most men would disagree with that.

06:38:43.000 Okay, so let's just make sure that we're sure that you just said most men would disagree with this.

06:38:50.340 Yeah, I would say most men that I've had this conversation with disagree with.

06:38:53.400 So then I just want to make sure that you think that if you asked a random man, is it easier for a woman to sleep with a man or a man to sleep with a woman, that they would say that it's harder?

06:39:05.740 No, I think if I made the statement and I said men are really easy and men give it up really easily.

06:39:11.680 Oh yeah, but that's really, so what you're doing though, right, that's very sneaky and underhanded to load the terms, which is why I unpacked your term.

06:39:20.840 Because once your term is unpacked, right, this is really typical sloganeering by liberal progressives too, right?

06:39:27.560 Ah, we want the right to choose.

06:39:29.240 No, you want the right to kill kids.

06:39:30.200 We want the right to have bodily autonomy.

06:39:33.380 Nope, you want the right to kill kids.

06:39:34.980 We want the right to, nope, you want the right to, so it's all sloganeering.

06:39:38.600 When you say easy, that's a slogan.

06:39:40.420 When it's unpacked, you go, well no, most men would agree that it's easier for women to sleep with men than men and women.

06:39:46.920 So it's like, so what you're doing is it's a very sneaky way for you to create a slogan.

06:39:53.080 When you say easy, you're using loaded language.

06:39:55.820 Sure.

06:39:56.140 Yeah, sure.

06:39:58.020 Very loaded language.

06:39:59.640 Sure.

06:40:01.340 So going back to Vanessa, this one should be pretty interesting.

06:40:08.400 Wait, I'll read this.

06:40:09.420 She just wanted to get a dig in at men because she thought calling men easy was an insult or misandry is obvious.

06:40:16.000 Yeah, it was.

06:40:16.700 It was just a joke.

06:40:18.300 Kind of like the key analogy.

06:40:20.580 I would argue that that, I would argue.

06:40:22.580 Oh, sorry.

06:40:23.240 I was just making kind of like a counter to the key joke.

06:40:26.700 I'm also making a joke.

06:40:27.940 I obviously don't.

06:40:29.280 I don't believe that men are easy.

06:40:30.360 So you just ate up like four minutes.

06:40:31.580 You don't believe men are easy?

06:40:34.080 I was kind of making a joke.

06:40:36.280 Yeah, I don't know if, so I'm trying to figure this out.

06:40:40.000 Do you think men are easy or not?

06:40:43.380 I don't think all men are.

06:40:45.420 Oh my God.

06:40:46.160 I don't think the right man is.

06:40:47.120 Andrew's going to go take, wait, Andrew, you might want to stay for this next part.

06:40:55.280 All right.

06:40:56.240 You might want to stay for this.

06:40:57.620 Okay.

06:40:58.700 That's okay.

06:40:59.080 We can move on.

06:41:00.100 I just want to make a joke.

06:41:00.640 Oh, we're moving on.

06:41:01.200 We're moving on.

06:41:01.700 As a man, I've been able to tell a woman that I've had sex with 400 plus women and women still want me for relationships.

06:41:09.020 Low Paladins, you got the whole behind the scenes cast laughing there.

06:41:12.400 If a woman said the same thing, she'd be rejected regularly.

06:41:15.820 We aren't the same.

06:41:18.040 We aren't the same.

06:41:19.900 I mean, I don't get rejected, but.

06:41:26.280 Wait, ask him.

06:41:29.880 Yo, Low Paladins, Nick wants me to ask you if you've ever Helen Kellered anybody.

06:41:37.100 Low Paladins, let us know.

06:41:38.940 Okay, so Vanessa, you said women should be allowed to have an abortion at any stage of pregnancy they like.

06:41:49.520 Yes.

06:41:50.580 So like an hour before they would otherwise give birth?

06:41:55.740 Yeah, because like what can happen after?

06:41:57.720 Like she might mistreat it or something, you know, or kill it herself.

06:42:01.420 What about a, whoa, okay, what about a minute before she would otherwise give birth?

06:42:06.880 Yeah.

06:42:07.380 What about as the baby is like midway through the vagina, the head is crowning?

06:42:14.480 She can kill it?

06:42:16.600 I don't know.

06:42:17.120 Oh, whoops, didn't he?

06:42:18.700 Go ahead.

06:42:19.020 For real?

06:42:20.000 I can't.

06:42:20.880 That's pretty late, but if she wants to make that decision.

06:42:24.320 Yeah.

06:42:24.880 I wouldn't do that.

06:42:25.760 I would do that.

06:42:25.820 Between a minute and crowning.

06:42:27.400 I think what draws that line?

06:42:30.660 Wait, and so before we get into it, a couple clarifying questions.

06:42:33.460 I can't even.

06:42:36.020 Her, so her life's not in danger.

06:42:39.480 There was an essay.

06:42:40.460 There was an incest.

06:42:41.860 Let's just say she's on the birthing table, or I don't know what it's called.

06:42:45.520 She's in the hospital, a minute, 30 minutes away from otherwise giving birth.

06:42:50.980 And she just, it came to her, I just don't really feel like being a mom.

06:42:57.820 I mean, it's her choice.

06:42:58.560 Is that enough pretext and justification for then essentially having an abortion right

06:43:07.200 then and there in the hospital?

06:43:08.020 By ripping it to pieces.

06:43:09.600 Let's get her answer here.

06:43:10.760 I mean, it's her choice, but she should just give it up for adoption.

06:43:12.760 Into the mic.

06:43:14.000 It's her choice.

06:43:14.600 Hold on, but your claim, your original claim was women should be allowed to have an abortion

06:43:19.260 at any stage of pregnancy they like.

06:43:22.640 I mean, about to give birth is kind of crazy, but.

06:43:25.880 Well, okay, fine.

06:43:26.900 A day before.

06:43:27.720 She's not in the hospital yet.

06:43:29.440 She's not in the hospital yet.

06:43:31.200 Oh my gosh.

06:43:32.200 Good to hear.

06:43:33.300 Okay, we'll pull it back up later, guys.

06:43:35.340 Okay, we'll pull it back up later.

06:43:37.180 Okay, so.

06:43:41.540 She's not in the hospital yet.

06:43:42.800 A day before she would otherwise give birth.

06:43:44.600 That's her choice.

06:43:47.240 I don't know.

06:43:47.640 I wouldn't do it personally.

06:43:49.220 But if she wants that decision, sure.

06:43:50.700 How come you wouldn't do it personally?

06:43:53.120 It's not something I would do.

06:43:54.600 Why?

06:43:55.900 It's really late.

06:43:58.140 But if a woman wants to make that choice, she can.

06:44:00.360 Would you consider that to be a human being at that point?

06:44:03.480 Basically is, yeah.

06:44:04.840 So then how is she not murdering at that point?

06:44:08.480 I don't know.

06:44:09.640 It's not really murder.

06:44:11.220 Have you thought this through?

06:44:12.600 It's not really murder?

06:44:13.180 Is that what you just said?

06:44:15.280 They come out crying.

06:44:17.000 Like, they come out crying and breathing.

06:44:20.260 Okay, Andrew's leaving.

06:44:21.080 It's live.

06:44:21.540 Yeah.

06:44:23.180 He needs a smoke after that one.

06:44:27.800 Okay.

06:44:29.240 I mean, can you give us a little more detail here on, I guess, why you think that?

06:44:34.160 I don't know.

06:44:38.200 I mean, I wouldn't do it.

06:44:39.500 That's insane.

06:44:40.500 But I didn't expect that kind of question to come up, like, last minute.

06:44:43.900 Giving an abortion.

06:44:45.440 That's crazy.

06:44:46.640 You wrote it in your pre-show notes.

06:44:48.860 Oh.

06:44:50.680 I'm getting through the pre-show notes.

06:44:52.300 Yes, it's coming up.

06:44:53.500 Right now.

06:44:54.240 Yeah, I guess I wrote that.

06:45:01.900 I'm just a whore.

06:45:02.740 What do I know?

06:45:04.760 You're just a what?

06:45:05.740 A whore, I guess.

06:45:07.540 Oh, well.

06:45:07.900 That's disgusting.

06:45:18.020 I can't believe you even said that on YouTube.

06:45:20.080 You see what you just said on YouTube?

06:45:21.480 I'm sorry to the world.

06:45:22.680 Please don't listen to this.

06:45:23.760 I'm sorry for her.

06:45:24.720 I'll pray for her.

06:45:25.920 Thank you.

06:45:33.480 Are you okay, bro?

06:45:37.900 Um, look, okay, so you wrote it.

06:45:41.900 Do you want to actually present an argument?

06:45:45.480 Apparently not.

06:45:49.080 Okay.

06:45:49.880 Okay.

06:45:55.020 I mean, you don't have any, you don't have anything?

06:46:00.500 I got nothing.

06:46:02.480 What's going on up there?

06:46:03.880 Is there?

06:46:04.400 It don't work.

06:46:06.000 It don't work?

06:46:06.860 Okay.

06:46:07.900 Um, I don't even know how to, like, she just doesn't have an argument, I guess.

06:46:15.680 Okay.

06:46:16.060 So do you just, do you just want to concede and walk back?

06:46:19.520 So you think women should not have abortions then?

06:46:23.060 Period.

06:46:23.980 No, they should have abortions.

06:46:25.340 Yeah.

06:46:25.480 It's just not, like, in the third trimester.

06:46:27.140 I don't know how.

06:46:27.580 But why, but why should they have abortions?

06:46:30.760 You got, can you, can you just speak into the mic?

06:46:32.800 Yeah.

06:46:34.120 You got this.

06:46:34.740 I believe in you.

06:46:35.600 We'll have you.

06:46:36.440 You can do it.

06:46:37.900 You said what?

06:46:38.980 Just pretend.

06:46:39.400 I asked why women should be allowed to have abortions.

06:46:42.060 Oh, my gosh.

06:46:44.620 Because they can?

06:46:46.520 Oh.

06:46:46.960 I don't know.

06:46:48.460 I'm moving on.

06:46:49.440 I can't answer it.

06:46:50.280 I lose.

06:46:52.600 Just.

06:46:53.280 Okay.

06:46:53.560 I'm going to need a cigarette.

06:46:54.560 I'm going to need a cigarette.

06:46:58.480 But it's not a matter of, like, you losing or winning a conversation, right?

06:47:03.120 Like, it's a really big deal to have an opinion on abortion, pro-life, however.

06:47:10.440 So you have an opinion.

06:47:13.840 Women just could have an abortion whenever they want.

06:47:16.020 So you got to talk into the microphone.

06:47:19.860 Pretend it's a penis, okay?

06:47:23.520 You're right.

06:47:24.260 Thank you.

06:47:25.320 Oh, my question for you, and I don't want to categorize you as this.

06:47:29.340 Like, I'm talking about the argument, not you.

06:47:31.000 It feels, when people make this argument, in my opinion, it's incredibly misogynistic to think that women can't figure out that they're pregnant until the third trimester or that they're not smart enough to know what to do about what's going on or take it even a step back that they're not smart enough to understand preventative birth control in 2024.

06:47:50.500 So I just don't get this idea that it's women empowerment to tell women, you're so stupid, you might need up until the moment of birth to abort your child.

06:47:59.420 Do you see what I'm saying?

06:48:01.000 Yeah.

06:48:01.480 I feel like most women do know, like, the first, like, month or two, like, where's my period?

06:48:05.020 Like, there's something wrong with me?

06:48:06.640 Like, you should realize in the first few months.

06:48:09.560 So you don't have, my goal here isn't to get you to go, oh, my gosh, I'm pro-life after this.

06:48:14.340 But the majority of Americans have agreed on somewhere between a 6- to 15-week abortion ban.

06:48:21.600 That feels right, right?

06:48:23.680 Yeah, that feels right.

06:48:24.180 That feels right.

06:48:25.160 So maybe.

06:48:25.760 But beyond that's, like, kind of crazy.

06:48:28.120 Right.

06:48:28.920 Okay, cool.

06:48:29.440 Yeah.

06:48:29.600 We've made a massive improvement from how you walked in here.

06:48:32.500 I'm cool with that.

06:48:34.700 Right, but so your original claim.

06:48:36.140 But he was asking me, like, the crowning and one day before, like.

06:48:40.300 Okay, but so your original claim was women should be allowed to have an abortion at any stage of the pregnancy.

06:48:45.860 I'll even walk it back because I'm using a.

06:48:47.900 I mean, other women can, like, I am personally just not going to do that.

06:48:50.540 Okay, but I'm using a bit more of an extreme example.

06:48:53.120 Let's just say a week before she would otherwise give birth.

06:48:56.580 Still crazy, but if she wants to, she can.

06:48:58.620 Oh, my.

06:48:59.020 I thought we walked back from this girl.

06:49:00.500 Sorry, hang on.

06:49:01.380 I wouldn't do it.

06:49:02.600 Wait, wait.

06:49:03.160 I want to make sure that I got this right.

06:49:05.320 Yeah.

06:49:05.560 Okay, so she's having an at-home birth, okay?

06:49:13.100 And her husband's there to deliver, okay?

06:49:17.800 Baby's head comes out.

06:49:19.680 She says, I don't want any more.

06:49:21.100 He grabs a kujol and bashes the fucking head.

06:49:23.140 Just bam, bam, bam.

06:49:24.240 I want to hear from you that that's her choice.

06:49:30.400 I mean, that's murder, but.

06:49:32.400 Oh, that's murder, okay.

06:49:33.820 What do you think happens when they have abortions at that stage of pregnancy?

06:49:37.820 I do, hold on, hold on.

06:49:38.180 I'm sorry.

06:49:39.020 Nick, we need to do the dating apps, and then we can come back to this.

06:49:42.420 Because, Nick, you need to leave in a few, right?

06:49:45.420 Yeah.

06:49:45.820 Unless you can extend.

06:49:48.720 No, I.

06:49:49.380 Okay.

06:49:49.900 You have your heart out.

06:49:50.480 I forgot to send my thing.

06:49:51.840 I forgot to DM my dating apps.

06:49:53.580 I thought you did.

06:49:54.700 I don't think I did, unless I'm losing it.

06:49:57.980 I sent mine in.

06:49:59.420 I know I took screenshots of them, but I don't think I sent them, actually.

06:50:06.200 The security guy is out there.

06:50:08.380 Is he out?

06:50:10.240 Oh, he's.

06:50:11.260 No, he probably went to get with him.

06:50:13.700 Yeah.

06:50:13.920 Oh.

06:50:17.460 What do you mean?

06:50:22.640 You on?

06:50:22.860 I'm just going to take me a sec.

06:50:24.520 Okay.

06:50:24.960 I'll do some chats.

06:50:27.680 Yeah.

06:50:28.080 Her joke wasn't funny.

06:50:29.000 She was trying to imply that men's penis is a pencil that gets worn down the more it is used.

06:50:33.560 It's not a good analogy.

06:50:34.520 Stupid.

06:50:35.960 Okay.

06:50:37.560 I don't think the key analogy is good either.

06:50:39.600 That's why I used it.

06:50:40.520 Because I think they're both kind of poor analogies.

06:50:44.420 They're both jokes, though.

06:50:45.620 I wouldn't, you know.

06:50:50.300 I've had to put my hand over a woman's mouth and tell her to be quiet because she wouldn't stop prattling in the middle of sex.

06:50:55.500 Hashtag Helen Keller.

06:50:57.240 That's the one that got me.

06:50:59.320 I'm sorry.

06:51:00.240 She started to hashtag Helen Keller.

06:51:02.420 There it is.

06:51:03.360 Hashtag Helen Keller.

06:51:05.720 She's the new Hawktog girl.

06:51:06.900 I had to Helen Keller that bitch.

06:51:08.780 That's how it's going to be.

06:51:09.540 She's literally the new Hawktog girl.

06:51:11.960 Please not.

06:51:12.380 I guess he technically started it.

06:51:14.540 He's going to do it.

06:51:15.420 Oh, my God.

06:51:16.300 I might have occasionally met a random woman at the beach or Tinder and had sex with her within a few hours of meeting.

06:51:24.180 Hashtag Helen Keller.

06:51:25.580 I'm not saying it was me.

06:51:26.860 Okay.

06:51:27.120 Maybe this is the guy.

06:51:28.140 Who knows?

06:51:28.600 Maybe this is the guy.

06:51:31.820 She probably does watch this podcast, honestly.

06:51:34.900 He probably does.

06:51:37.220 Next, Nick.

06:51:37.900 Do we have it?

06:51:40.160 Yeah, I have Morgan's.

06:51:41.380 Were there any others?

06:51:42.640 Wasn't there the one?

06:51:43.680 What about the girl who rage quit?

06:51:45.360 Yeah, that's me.

06:51:46.140 Yeah, we'll just.

06:51:47.160 Yeah, I forgot to send mine.

06:51:48.840 Sorry.

06:51:49.400 It's okay.

06:51:52.080 Next.

06:51:53.880 I want to order a quick rant.

06:51:54.960 Green flags I look for.

06:51:56.280 OMG, this is the girl who rage quit, by the way.

06:51:58.360 We'll still put up her.

06:52:01.040 I'm worried about those green flags.

06:52:02.040 I've never seen on a close.

06:52:04.440 Surprising.

06:52:05.500 Wow.

06:52:06.000 Look at this.

06:52:07.900 All right.

06:52:10.380 Next.

06:52:13.260 Next.

06:52:16.120 Me listening, you described your finance job like I've never seen Wolf of Wall Street before.

06:52:19.760 Okay.

06:52:20.660 I go crazy for, oh baby, I don't have to go anywhere.

06:52:25.400 I've already arrived?

06:52:27.720 She's saying she's already crazy.

06:52:30.800 She doesn't go crazy for anything.

06:52:31.460 I'm not sure if that's what she's saying.

06:52:33.700 I think it's like a joke about her being a flight attendant.

06:52:36.420 She's like, go crazy for.

06:52:38.760 I don't have to go.

06:52:40.900 I've already arrived.

06:52:41.960 Yeah.

06:52:42.400 At being crazy.

06:52:43.160 Okay.

06:52:43.620 Yes.

06:52:44.420 Oh, yes.

06:52:45.420 Yes.

06:52:45.620 Yeah.

06:52:45.860 Yeah.

06:52:46.320 Yeah.

06:52:46.480 Yeah.

06:52:46.540 That's what every guy wants is a crazy woman.

06:52:49.500 Yeah.

06:52:49.860 Next.

06:52:50.740 Agreed.

06:52:51.200 That's what they all get.

06:52:51.820 Yeah.

06:52:52.000 I keep this extremely old photo that barely looks like me here for two reasons.

06:52:56.340 I love 80s music.

06:52:57.300 Everything is a costume party.

06:52:58.480 Okay.

06:52:59.140 Next.

06:53:00.480 Try to strangle my friend because he made me take a picture before I get to get another beer.

06:53:04.100 Next.

06:53:04.840 That's a wonderful thing to put on your dating app.

06:53:07.820 Okay.

06:53:08.900 Next.

06:53:09.560 And then we have who's?

06:53:12.860 Who do we have?

06:53:14.180 I'm looking for it.

06:53:15.280 Who sent who's that last?

06:53:16.640 I sent one in too.

06:53:18.160 Yeah.

06:53:18.340 Okay.

06:53:19.100 Send him on Tinder.

06:53:22.660 While we're doing that, I guess that came in from David.

06:53:27.720 Thank you, David.

06:53:28.340 Hashtag BigLadyMatter.

06:53:30.020 Really the pressing issue of our time.

06:53:31.800 Twitch.tv slash whatever.

06:53:33.520 Like the video.

06:53:35.820 Guys, if you want to get in your last TTS, get it in.

06:53:41.360 Get it in, boys.

06:53:43.160 Get it in.

06:53:43.840 Get it in, good sirs.

06:53:46.160 Don't, Helen Keller, get it in.

06:53:47.460 Get it in.

06:53:49.100 Stop Helen Keller.

06:53:50.120 Get that shit in, boys.

06:53:52.000 Get it in.

06:53:53.020 Don't put your hand over its mouth.

06:53:55.400 Let it go.

06:53:56.420 What the hell?

06:53:57.080 Just let it go.

06:53:57.800 While he's pulling that up, I guess going back to Vanessa, you said you dated a guy that

06:54:02.520 unalived his mom or dated a guy in the military who cheated on me by not bringing condom.

06:54:07.700 Wait, what?

06:54:08.440 Whoa.

06:54:10.060 It was New Year's Eve and some girl texted him, bring the condoms.

06:54:13.940 And then we broke up shortly after that.

06:54:16.220 And then he ended up having two kids.

06:54:18.800 So I was like, I guess he didn't bring the condoms because it was shortly after she got

06:54:21.380 pregnant.

06:54:22.860 Yeah.

06:54:24.060 Okay.

06:54:24.780 Yeah.

06:54:25.100 Cool.

06:54:26.780 What's it about killing his mom?

06:54:28.020 Cool story.

06:54:28.520 Oh, that was someone else.

06:54:29.900 That was somebody else.

06:54:30.760 Okay.

06:54:31.820 That's it?

06:54:32.760 No, it was someone else.

06:54:33.860 I was, he, that's the one that ghosted me.

06:54:35.920 And then I was like, oh, what happened?

06:54:37.060 And then I found out he unalived his mom.

06:54:40.060 What the fuck?

06:54:41.800 Well, at least he had a good excuse.

06:54:42.880 So you didn't ghost him.

06:54:43.700 You went to jail.

06:54:44.780 Wrong to hot wind.

06:54:45.960 Wrong to hot wind.

06:54:47.160 You didn't get ghosted.

06:54:48.480 Is we ready going to have to choke a bitch?

06:54:51.820 I'm not, but.

06:54:52.520 Yeah, his mom got ghosted.

06:54:56.460 Damn.

06:54:58.880 Yeah, interesting dating in the past.

06:55:00.700 I haven't dated since then.

06:55:01.780 Dating up really quick, Nick.

06:55:03.400 Okay.

06:55:03.780 This is Belle.

06:55:04.400 I want someone who is nice.

06:55:05.620 LMFA will just be nice to me.

06:55:07.360 And feed me.

06:55:08.640 Want to go to a rave sometime looking for friends and maybe a girlfriend.

06:55:11.140 I'm Pauly, Philly, Vegas.

06:55:12.380 I suck at texting on here.

06:55:13.780 Ask for my number.

06:55:14.600 Next.

06:55:15.920 What the fuck?

06:55:17.240 That's a new rave outfit.

06:55:18.660 Next.

06:55:20.160 Next.

06:55:22.200 Next.

06:55:24.360 Oh, and that's, I know how to cook.

06:55:25.980 I'm hot and I'm hilarious because I was ugly when I was younger.

06:55:30.500 Perks of dating me.

06:55:32.180 Yeah.

06:55:33.420 Okay.

06:55:35.100 All right.

06:55:35.780 And then, Nick, there's the last thing since you're just able to control the pull-ups.

06:55:40.180 Oh, there's one more, but.

06:55:43.140 Oh, that one?

06:55:44.300 Oh, I think that's mine.

06:55:44.660 I think I just agree of everything that I have.

06:55:47.700 There's, Nick, there's an Instagram post from her I wanted to pull up really quick if you could get that going.

06:55:53.540 Excuse me.

06:55:54.140 Do you want me to just pull up her Instagram?

06:55:58.060 I think it should be the post.

06:56:00.720 Oh, got it.

06:56:05.440 Sorry, guys.

06:56:08.180 I may be a mess, but I'm also very hot.

06:56:15.380 Yeah.

06:56:16.920 Hot mess.

06:56:20.100 She belongs.

06:56:20.980 Oh, sorry.

06:56:21.460 I didn't mean to press that.

06:56:22.220 My bad.

06:56:23.200 No, it's okay.

06:56:25.560 Hold on.

06:56:26.280 We need that.

06:56:27.080 Erroneous.

06:56:27.580 I don't know.

06:56:28.380 Erroneous.

06:56:28.700 Okay, all right.

06:56:30.500 Sorry.

06:56:31.140 I had two.

06:56:34.900 Okay, anyways.

06:56:35.740 That's like a really old one.

06:56:36.780 You need it.

06:56:37.300 I know.

06:56:38.340 I really wish you guys would have let me brought on my iCarly remote.

06:56:42.160 What is that?

06:56:43.060 I have an iCarly remote.

06:56:45.080 Have you ever watched iCarly?

06:56:46.740 No.

06:56:47.300 There's this girl named Sam from iCarly, and she has this remote, and it has sound effects, too, where it has a boo button.

06:56:53.460 So I had it.

06:56:54.260 Just in case you guys were going to say something that I just didn't want to answer, I could just press the boo button.

06:57:00.700 Okay.

06:57:01.320 Kind of like your little sound effects, too.

06:57:02.880 It's kind of like the same thing.

06:57:03.840 Okay.

06:57:04.240 Yeah.

06:57:04.980 You can always bring in a no button.

06:57:08.700 A what button?

06:57:09.800 A no button.

06:57:10.480 I can bring in a no button?

06:57:12.460 Sick.

06:57:13.240 I'll do that for next time.

06:57:14.660 What was her name?

06:57:15.520 It basically was a no button, except it would just go boo.

06:57:18.480 Like, you would just say an opinion I didn't agree with, and I would just go boo.

06:57:22.300 So moving on to Chrissy, you said, semi-traditional.

06:57:26.240 I'm a Christian, but I grew up most of my life living as a secular person with libertarian values.

06:57:30.420 You said you've dated a ton of toxic losers, but my now fiancé and I dated differently.

06:57:35.220 Oh, okay.

06:57:36.960 Withhold sex until marriage, go to church, give back to our community.

06:57:40.300 And it was crazy how when you change your dating style, you ultimately change the dating outcome.

06:57:44.920 And so just a question for you, Chrissy, you said that you dated differently, but you – so with your current fiancé, have you withheld sex?

06:57:55.840 Mm-hmm.

06:57:56.260 So you guys have not had sex?

06:57:58.380 No.

06:57:59.360 Sorry, what?

06:58:00.060 No.

06:58:00.480 No?

06:58:00.860 Okay.

06:58:01.400 But you have had sex before?

06:58:03.740 Yes.

06:58:04.640 Okay.

06:58:07.260 You're both Christian, though.

06:58:08.860 Mm-hmm.

06:58:09.300 Okay.

06:58:10.060 He's in the same situation.

06:58:11.080 I know it's not ideal, and, like, I get the –

06:58:14.880 No, I mean, it checks out.

06:58:16.480 Yeah, but –

06:58:17.300 I don't actually have as strong of an objection if it's within a religious context here, because it actually makes a little more sense to me.

06:58:29.320 Although we've had religious Christian women who come on who will say that they frequently make mistakes,

06:58:36.860 and it always just makes me think, like, well, if – are you a vegan if every week you accidentally eat meat?

06:58:46.060 Or, well, not even accidentally.

06:58:47.660 Like, you know you're – accidentally would be, like, somebody – I don't know, you've got a veggie burrito and there's a piece of chicken.

06:58:53.800 No, you willfully – are you a vegan if you willfully, once a week, eat meat?

06:59:00.960 No.

06:59:01.440 And I think the answer is no.

06:59:02.680 No.

06:59:03.560 No.

06:59:04.420 No.

06:59:04.620 You regret it, though, but then the very next week you have another T-bone steak, but you regret it, and then you commit yourself –

06:59:13.660 you recommit yourself to veganism, except a week later you have a chicken breast.

06:59:20.340 Anyways, I don't know.

06:59:22.880 That's cool, though.

06:59:23.660 Congrats.

06:59:24.080 Cool, cool.

06:59:24.860 61 days.

06:59:25.320 Soon to be married.

06:59:27.000 Does Andrew get an invite to the wedding, or –

06:59:29.980 Absolutely not.

06:59:31.120 Oh, what?

06:59:31.900 Damn.

06:59:32.380 Okay, sorry.

06:59:32.820 I'm so sorry.

06:59:34.620 You said you don't agree that sim culture in men is as bad or prevalent as some of the guest co-hosts would say?

06:59:41.340 I said this?

06:59:42.960 Chrissy Clark, I think.

06:59:44.760 These are in your notes.

06:59:46.140 I don't think I would ever –

06:59:47.720 Could have been from a long time ago, though, because we've been trying to get this –

06:59:51.360 For, like, two years.

06:59:52.260 For a while.

06:59:54.080 Don't agree that sim culture in men is as bad or –

06:59:56.720 I mean, if you don't hold that position, we don't have to –

06:59:59.980 I don't really hold that position anymore.

07:00:01.800 Sim culture is terrible.

07:00:04.360 Okay.

07:00:05.880 Moving to Chelsea.

07:00:07.000 Chelsea, you said your life in your Instagram –

07:00:09.720 What the hell?

07:00:11.380 Life seems to be built on a series of, ooh, look, a cliff, I'm going to dive off it, and you can't make the shit up moments.

07:00:18.220 It seems to be like that.

07:00:20.220 Okay.

07:00:20.920 Yeah.

07:00:21.520 All right.

07:00:21.920 Very impulsive, literally.

07:00:24.380 Like, there's a cliff there, the fuck off of it.

07:00:26.200 See what happens.

07:00:27.580 In your pre-show notes, you said something about a set of twins –

07:00:32.320 Or maybe this is somewhere else.

07:00:34.040 A set of twins, a pippy long stocking wig, pineapple life.

07:00:37.420 Yeah, I've lived a bit.

07:00:39.320 Oh, my God.

07:00:41.220 I have music over his earmuffs.

07:00:42.680 There was – in college, there was a set of twins.

07:00:48.580 I didn't know that there were twins at first.

07:00:51.760 It was Halloween, and I slept with one of them, and he had a pippy long stocking wig on.

07:00:56.640 It was really awkward.

07:00:58.080 Then I ended up sleeping with his twin brother by accident because I thought it was him.

07:01:03.640 They got me.

07:01:05.320 Damn.

07:01:10.880 Okay.

07:01:13.740 Pineapple life?

07:01:14.680 What's that?

07:01:15.360 Those – oh, that's –

07:01:17.320 Swinging.

07:01:19.000 Yeah.

07:01:19.500 So, I'm not actually into it.

07:01:24.040 But, well, I guess I made out with a girl a couple times, but I guess that's not really actually a pineapple life.

07:01:29.340 So, we can move on from that.

07:01:32.460 Were you a swinger?

07:01:33.460 No.

07:01:34.160 No?

07:01:34.340 So, I don't think making out with a girl is actually swinging, so.

07:01:38.640 Okay.

07:01:39.360 You said the historical culture for women and today's destruction – you wanted to talk on the historical culture for women and today's destruction of women by women at a man's expense.

07:01:48.280 So, like, today's modern feminism and just the way that women seem to, like, hate on men now in today's culture just seems to be so different.

07:02:06.800 Like, it seems – like, it seems – feminism now it seems like it's changed so much to where it's gotten so extreme that it's almost embarrassing to be a woman.

07:02:19.240 Like, it has become – like, it has become – feminism has become hating men and not necessarily, like, about equality and about having those things.

07:02:30.480 It's more about being demeaning against the opposite sex or in – from what I've seen about modern-day feminists.

07:02:41.740 It just seems to be about men hating.

07:02:43.840 And for me, I – or that they don't have any worth or value when, to me, they have some of the most worth and most value.

07:02:54.480 So, yeah, I guess that's just my position on that.

07:02:58.380 Mm-hmm.

07:02:59.920 All right.

07:03:00.900 You – we talked about the nanny stuff.

07:03:03.900 Mm-hmm.

07:03:04.660 So, basically, I mean, just to reiterate for those just tuning in or who didn't – who missed this part, your now husband, you were the nanny for the now husband and his ex-wife.

07:03:14.580 Correct.

07:03:15.320 Okay.

07:03:16.380 Were you, like – did you have the hots for him when you were the nanny?

07:03:19.860 No, we didn't even talk.

07:03:20.920 I thought he was an asshole.

07:03:22.500 Oh.

07:03:22.940 Is he still an asshole or –

07:03:25.940 Eh, sometimes.

07:03:27.680 Do you like the asshole thing, though?

07:03:30.320 Eh, sometimes.

07:03:31.280 Oh, okay.

07:03:32.240 You said that I feel they – I suppose me and Andrew or the show can be a bit harsh regarding the worth a woman puts out, but I feel they neglect to reflect on the history of women and a man's need to pay to see us naked or more.

07:03:46.480 Playboy Penthouse, which my mother was on the cover of, BTW.

07:03:50.180 Uh, women have been paid, thought of, and treated as chattel since the frontier days.

07:03:56.620 Uh, or how about the red light districts, et cetera, et cetera.

07:03:59.520 While I'm against and disgusted at this OnlyFans era, men are equally to blame for the destruction of a woman's image.

07:04:07.920 Well, two things there, and I think Andrew might have some thoughts on this.

07:04:10.880 There's – so men are equally to blame for the destruction of a woman's image, but before that there was women have been paid, thought of, and treated as chattel.

07:04:20.420 Am I saying that word right?

07:04:21.940 Yeah.

07:04:22.100 Yeah.

07:04:22.300 Uh, since the frontier days.

07:04:25.280 Uh, Andrew, do you have any thoughts there on the frontier – frontier day chattel thing?

07:04:30.980 Yeah, I mean, they're prostitutes.

07:04:34.500 Yeah, poor houses.

07:04:35.420 Yeah, so, I mean, yeah, if you're going to prostitute yourself, you're going to get johns.

07:04:40.400 I'm not sure that that's – see, that's the thing, though, is –

07:04:43.120 I'm not sure that that's objectification or that's treating a woman like chattel if they want to be a prostitute because it's easy money.

07:04:51.820 It's more or less they pay for it or – I mean, I assume if you've ever looked at porn, you've ever looked at porn.

07:04:59.020 Of course, sure.

07:04:59.820 But then if you look down on a woman for it, then isn't that kind of a double standard?

07:05:05.620 Well, I mean, I guess, but not really.

07:05:09.340 Okay, so, if I tell my kid, because I'm a smoker, not to smoke, is that a double standard?

07:05:18.560 No, because your health is a little bit different.

07:05:22.600 Can't tell that.

07:05:23.420 But if you're paying –

07:05:25.120 So, hang on.

07:05:26.800 So, in other words, you can do a bad thing, right, and still know it's wrong for another person to do a bad thing you're doing, right?

07:05:34.900 No, I'm talking about demeaning a woman for doing something that he is enabling as well.

07:05:42.500 Yeah, oh, yeah, sure.

07:05:43.260 Well, I mean, absent a John, there could be no prostitutes.

07:05:46.260 And absent a prostitutes, there could be no Johns, right?

07:05:48.180 Yeah, I understand that.

07:05:50.760 I guess what I'm saying, though, is absent this material being available to begin with, absent even being available for you to view, nobody's going to have slip-ups, right?

07:06:02.520 It's not there to slip up on.

07:06:04.780 Correct.

07:06:05.280 That's kind of the point that I'm moving towards, right?

07:06:08.640 But then that's what I agree with you.

07:06:10.320 And the enabling of female promiscuity and then later pornography came out of feminism and the sexual revolution.

07:06:18.080 This was not a thing that men were pushing.

07:06:20.620 They might consume it, and they do consume it, but they definitely weren't pushing the sexual revolution at all.

07:06:26.060 And I'm more or less looking down on women who do porn, not that I like that I would do it or that I agree with it, but then simultaneously watch it.

07:06:40.220 Well, I think there's a distinction between doing behavior currently and have ever done the behavior.

07:06:47.740 True.

07:06:47.960 When the Internet came out, all there was, kids in my age bracket, it was everywhere.

07:06:54.120 Yeah.

07:06:54.420 You couldn't even avoid looking at it if you wanted to.

07:06:57.040 That's not to say I've never viewed porn with intent, right?

07:06:59.820 Yeah.

07:07:00.140 I mean, perfect.

07:07:00.820 I'm sure every one of us has viewed porn at some point with intent.

07:07:03.500 But that doesn't mean that because that is true that that means that that should be something you advocate for or are doing or currently still do.

07:07:12.860 So I think you have a stronger case.

07:07:14.820 Somebody's currently, you know, like a porn fanatic while at the same time being angry at the women who are producing the porn, right, or who they're looking at.

07:07:26.300 Yeah, I think maybe you have a point.

07:07:27.820 But then let me ask you this, what if you're dying from lung cancer and you're really mad at the tobacco company?

07:07:35.380 It's the same thing.

07:07:36.880 Yeah, I mean, it seems reasonable that you could be mad at the tobacco company.

07:07:41.440 You could be sucked into something or this addictive behavior or whatever.

07:07:46.820 And I think you can still blame them even if you're viewing the thing.

07:07:50.920 Though I understand your stance that it's a little different, right?

07:07:54.140 Like, especially with the OnlyFans era now because the women are getting rich off of it.

07:07:58.520 And it's getting them that, enabling them to want to do that more and looking more for those lines of work because it's easy money.

07:08:07.300 And it's steering them kind of that wrong direction.

07:08:10.380 But at the same time, it's being enabled because people are paying for it.

07:08:15.080 Yeah.

07:08:15.580 But.

07:08:16.040 Yeah, there's nothing more dangerous than the North American simp.

07:08:18.920 Nothing.

07:08:19.740 Correct.

07:08:20.000 It's like the most dangerous creature on earth is the North American simp.

07:08:23.480 So the thing is, is I agree with you.

07:08:25.600 You've got to get rid of simps who are enabling women.

07:08:29.660 I mean, it's such a parasocial relationship, too.

07:08:33.020 It is.

07:08:33.280 It's so gross.

07:08:34.360 Now, that's gross.

07:08:35.460 What's gross is having a parasocial relationship with a woman through a screen for sexual favor.

07:08:40.800 That's disturbing on many levels.

07:08:43.240 Yes.

07:08:44.640 But no, I don't think it's hypocritical that if men have ever viewed porn, that they're against porn or women.

07:08:50.980 No, I just mean if they demean them for it, but then, like, simultaneously pay for it.

07:08:56.540 Oh, yeah.

07:08:57.100 Well, that's.

07:08:57.560 That.

07:08:57.900 That's.

07:08:58.400 Well, now you're getting into, like, weird fetishes that people have in shit, too.

07:09:01.820 That was my point.

07:09:01.860 It was like, if you kind of demean them for it, but then simultaneously paying for it, then you're kind of enabling it.

07:09:06.420 No, I agree with that.

07:09:07.440 Yeah.

07:09:08.060 Totally agree.

07:09:10.360 I don't know where Brian was going with this, but.

07:09:13.200 Well, I can come back.

07:09:14.160 I'll just post some story.

07:09:15.060 Oh, you got your notes up?

07:09:17.320 I'd go through them if you've got to stay up.

07:09:19.280 Well, I can really briefly rejoin just to engage in that really quick.

07:09:24.120 So just one thing on the whole, like, well, men consume porn, but they have this judgment of women.

07:09:30.460 Would it be wrong for a man who consumes porn to refuse, refuse to date a woman who does porn?

07:09:39.840 Is that, like, hypocritical, or is that, is that a little bit of what you're getting at?

07:09:46.280 I'm just saying if they're going to engage in it, then, like, you're kind of enabling it, but then don't demean them for it, too.

07:09:55.320 Well, let's say you don't demean the woman, but as a man, say you watch porn every single day.

07:10:01.380 Do you think it would be wrong for a man who watches porn every single day to not want to date a woman who does porn?

07:10:10.860 Absolutely not.

07:10:11.460 I think that is a valid.

07:10:14.660 Yeah, her stance is just, yeah, her stance is just you probably shouldn't be raging about the thing you're consuming, right?

07:10:23.320 Sure.

07:10:23.760 Let's see, Lindsay, I'm a married mom of four girls, part of a blended family, and I can speak on the trials and tribulations of being a mixed family with exes.

07:10:33.660 That won't stop at anything to destroy the sanctity of my family.

07:10:37.700 I've had court battles in two different states, going through the legal system and seeing how corrupt the system actually is.

07:10:44.620 So when you say the system is corrupt, what do you mean?

07:10:49.660 As far as that, it's just like there's a lot of people go into like, I'm going to get divorced, I'm going to, the woman's going to win, you know, all these things.

07:11:00.300 And really what it's about is like it is 50 shades of gray.

07:11:04.140 It's not black and white like people think.

07:11:06.560 So just if you're going through that situation, think about those things and be smart about it.

07:11:12.100 And it's like, so the two different states thing is that my ex lives in Texas, and I lost my court battle because the judge didn't like people from Colorado.

07:11:25.480 So they were berating me in court, calling me a pothead, and I was an Olympic weightlifter going through USADA and WADA, which are the anti-doping agencies.

07:11:36.320 And he's calling me a pothead in court for no reason.

07:11:42.400 Because Colorado legalized weed?

07:11:43.980 Uh-huh.

07:11:44.340 Okay.

07:11:45.620 Yeah.

07:11:48.060 And so did you lose the custody dispute because of that?

07:11:52.000 It wasn't specifically because of that, but it was, I lost because, okay, my now 18-year-old daughter, who was 15 at the time, was struggling in school.

07:12:03.440 And so they thought that she would do better in school in Texas, even though she had spoke to the judge.

07:12:11.560 And, like, it's a whole mess.

07:12:13.120 We're still kind of going through things, so I kind of have to dance around stuff.

07:12:17.080 But ultimately, I lost the case because they thought Texas' school system was better than Colorado's.

07:12:25.300 Wait, and just curious, when it came to the weed thing, the judge came to this conclusion simply by virtue of you having lived in Colorado?

07:12:36.120 Or did your husband present an argument or evidence that you smoked weed?

07:12:42.500 No.

07:12:43.020 All on his own because I lived in Colorado.

07:12:44.540 The husband didn't make any accusations of drug use?

07:12:47.700 Mm-hmm.

07:12:48.140 That's peculiar from the judge.

07:12:49.600 Yeah.

07:12:49.980 I'll grant you that.

07:12:51.840 Okay.

07:12:52.320 You said you have an 18-year-old daughter who's going through her own issues, and watching her having to sort through the pool of boys as possible boyfriends is incredibly heartbreaking.

07:13:02.380 I can go down the rabbit hole of the nonsense she has to choose from.

07:13:05.780 Fortunately, unfortunately for her, she has grown up with a dad who is an alpha male, or you could call him a man's man.

07:13:11.880 And everyone she possibly wants to date needs to come meet him, and he is a 6'2 bearded man that is very masculine, and these boys show up and can't even have a conversation with either of us, let alone give a proper handshake.

07:13:24.060 It is so sad, the generation of boys that is coming up who can't even figure out if they are male or female.

07:13:33.420 Okay.

07:13:33.920 All right.

07:13:34.520 That's another thing.

07:13:35.540 But so you're experiencing, I guess, the guys that your daughter's dating.

07:13:41.660 They're wimpy.

07:13:43.360 No handshake.

07:13:44.560 Very.

07:13:45.140 Yeah.

07:13:46.080 So we live in the forest.

07:13:47.060 They can't communicate.

07:13:48.080 Yeah, they can't do anything.

07:13:48.700 They don't look you in the eye.

07:13:50.620 They don't even understand how to have a...

07:13:52.280 They give you, like, that noodle handshake.

07:13:53.020 Yeah, if you can't even understand how to have a conversation.

07:13:56.260 Half of them won't even come inside.

07:13:58.240 Text for the car, come out.

07:13:59.540 Yeah, and it's super sad for her, because we live in the forest, so we're out bucking trees, and, you know, she's got her own chainsaw and all these things, so she knows she is capable and can handle things, but she can't find, you know, a boyfriend that can...

07:14:15.560 Thank God for those Santa Barbara cars.

07:14:17.640 So, yeah, so she struggles with that, and it's really sad, because you're like, she knows what she wants because she's grown up with her, you know, her, well, stepdad, but he adopted her, so her dad now, who is extremely masculine and can do all these things, and she's like, I just, there is nobody out there like that, or that she's found.

07:14:41.440 So it's sad.

07:14:43.000 Would that be a good argument for an age gap relationship?

07:14:45.580 Yeah, she'd probably need, well, we've had that conversation with her, because she's like, well, maybe I need to go older, and I'm like, well, maybe you do, you know, as long as they are willing to have that conversation with us and be a part of our family, and it's not ick or weird, you know, he's not trying to abuse her, then we'll totally accept them into our family.

07:15:06.000 Sure.

07:15:06.100 Yeah, yeah, I understand the exact struggle you're talking about.

07:15:11.820 It's sad.

07:15:12.920 Yeah.

07:15:13.440 Yeah.

07:15:13.920 You understand, like, you have that, too, Andrew, with your kids?

07:15:18.520 I can't say the proper word to describe it.

07:15:20.400 My daughter, too.

07:15:21.280 Because we're on YouTube, there is a word I would normally say to describe the type of young men who have been suitors for my daughters, but I can't say the word.

07:15:37.380 It starts with an F.

07:15:38.560 I know, I know, exactly.

07:15:40.700 Feminine.

07:15:41.100 But anyway, yeah, feminine, exactly, feminine.

07:15:44.160 And it's just a lack of socialization skills.

07:15:49.160 They don't have them.

07:15:50.120 Oh, absolutely.

07:15:50.580 They don't know how to communicate at all.

07:15:52.580 Oh, no, not at all.

07:15:53.700 I mean, they're constantly on their phones.

07:15:55.080 On games.

07:15:55.360 But this is not, by the way, if you experiment with this, if you actually take this just outside what you've noticed with the suitors for your kid, go to, like, fast food restaurants, shit, like, none of them can socialize.

07:16:10.540 Oh, I know.

07:16:11.120 She works at one.

07:16:12.400 Well, she did work at one.

07:16:13.400 She's a different one, but.

07:16:15.260 Yeah, they just don't know how to socialize.

07:16:17.120 No.

07:16:17.760 Like, they're scared to order?

07:16:19.460 No, they literally, so, like, okay, here's an example.

07:16:22.240 Make eye contact.

07:16:23.280 When I, my, I think the first job I ever had was at a, it was like an after school job at a McDonald's, I think.

07:16:29.760 Okay.

07:16:30.640 He didn't really have to train me to do much, because it was a really easy job.

07:16:34.440 So, if you were working drive-thru, nobody had to tell me to say, welcome to McDonald's.

07:16:38.340 I'd heard this a million times, right?

07:16:40.460 Here's your this, here's your that.

07:16:41.660 Have a nice day, sir.

07:16:42.720 Come again.

07:16:43.220 You know, that type of thing.

07:16:44.940 And I just open the window, and you're like, hey, can I get, can I get some, you know, can I get, how about some ranch?

07:16:54.280 And I'm just like, open your fucking mouth and say something.

07:16:57.160 You know what I mean?

07:16:57.980 But that's how it is.

07:16:59.100 It's sad.

07:16:59.680 Yeah, it is sad.

07:17:00.760 Yeah.

07:17:02.340 Yep.

07:17:03.420 So, I get, I get the struggle.

07:17:04.960 You got it, Andrew?

07:17:09.380 Yeah.

07:17:10.760 All right.

07:17:11.600 We're good.

07:17:12.840 We have, let's see, okay.

07:17:17.220 Well, I think that's all the notes.

07:17:18.280 So, here's what we're going to do.

07:17:19.900 Any chats?

07:17:21.100 We'll do a roast session, and then we'll wrap up the show here soon, guys.

07:17:25.860 It was a good show.

07:17:26.680 We went a little long, but good show, guys.

07:17:29.420 Good panel.

07:17:30.260 It would have been good if she had stayed.

07:17:32.540 She should have stayed.

07:17:33.280 She was my favorite.

07:17:34.560 I mean, luckily, you gave some pushback.

07:17:37.120 That was good.

07:17:37.880 But we needed her.

07:17:40.300 We needed to get into her notes.

07:17:41.340 I didn't bring notes, though.

07:17:42.260 She brought notes.

07:17:43.200 She brought notes on notes.

07:17:44.660 If you cast a spell, could you bring her back?

07:17:47.280 We tried.

07:17:48.440 You'd pay me.

07:17:49.960 We should have left the notes.

07:17:51.760 Maybe if we get you back.

07:17:52.800 You know how to get to my website.

07:17:54.040 If we get you back on the pod, maybe next time you can, like, show us how to, like,

07:17:57.720 cast a spell or whatever.

07:17:58.840 Yeah.

07:17:59.340 Or cast an axe.

07:18:00.200 That's okay.

07:18:00.920 No?

07:18:01.420 I'll get on that, man.

07:18:02.540 No?

07:18:03.040 Yeah.

07:18:03.520 You're not?

07:18:04.300 You don't want to?

07:18:04.840 No.

07:18:05.540 You don't want to?

07:18:05.920 You'd be horrified to see what some of those.

07:18:07.380 Do you believe?

07:18:07.900 I thought you said it was bullshit.

07:18:10.380 You'd be horrified.

07:18:11.900 You would be horrified by my mind.

07:18:13.200 My girl purse.

07:18:14.900 That's true.

07:18:15.500 I did say that.

07:18:16.180 Yeah, you said it was bullshit, so it shouldn't...

07:18:18.100 You still shouldn't dabble with shit like that.

07:18:19.560 Yes.

07:18:20.240 Yeah.

07:18:21.080 Yeah, I wouldn't want to do anything that makes anyone uncomfortable.

07:18:23.700 But I did bring tarot cards, because I wasn't sure.

07:18:26.460 Is that okay, Andrew?

07:18:27.540 Are you okay with tarot cards?

07:18:28.640 No?

07:18:28.780 Not even...

07:18:30.340 Nope.

07:18:30.720 I thought you said it was bullshit.

07:18:31.680 It is bullshit.

07:18:31.700 A lot of Christians are very avidly against.

07:18:35.080 When we have...

07:18:35.680 Which is, by the way...

07:18:36.800 Which is okay.

07:18:37.320 Most of the time, people are witches.

07:18:39.000 It's because they hate Christians.

07:18:40.820 No, I would disagree with that.

07:18:42.740 Totally true.

07:18:43.040 You know Christian witches exist.

07:18:44.660 No, they don't.

07:18:45.240 They do.

07:18:45.840 No, they don't.

07:18:47.540 No, they don't.

07:18:48.600 They do.

07:18:49.380 Okay, you know what?

07:18:50.240 Leprechauns and unicorns exist, too.

07:18:52.260 Well, that's very different than someone having...

07:18:55.320 Listen, if you take a horse and you call it a unicorn, it's now a unicorn.

07:19:00.120 Practicing witchcraft is a spiritual belief.

07:19:02.180 It's not a religious belief.

07:19:04.520 Word.

07:19:05.220 Okay.

07:19:05.480 You can be atheist and you can be a witch because believing in witchcraft doesn't mean you believe

07:19:10.260 in the power of a god.

07:19:11.120 What is a religion?

07:19:12.140 There is a lot...

07:19:12.420 And I'm not a Christian witch, so I can't speak for you.

07:19:14.440 Hang on, hang on.

07:19:14.460 Let's back up and see if we can untangle.

07:19:15.920 Because there aren't any.

07:19:16.880 They do exist.

07:19:17.860 Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.

07:19:20.460 Okay.

07:19:20.760 Well, then I guess you can just call whatever you want, but that doesn't make it the thing.

07:19:25.700 If I say that's a horse and you say it's a horse and it is a horse, we agree, right?

07:19:31.260 But what if I take a look at a horse and I say, that's a fucking unicorn.

07:19:34.760 Am I right?

07:19:36.700 No.

07:19:37.320 Okay.

07:19:37.620 What makes me wrong?

07:19:39.140 Science.

07:19:40.140 But when it comes to religious beliefs, that's where it's like you can believe.

07:19:43.480 Hang on, hang on.

07:19:43.580 Hang on a second.

07:19:44.260 Hang on a second.

07:19:45.360 What do you mean?

07:19:46.560 Science.

07:19:47.280 Science didn't name it horse.

07:19:48.920 What makes it a horse is a characteristic and set of traits which only a horse can have.

07:19:56.800 It can't be a dog because otherwise it would have traits.

07:20:01.540 There are Christians that work within the Bible and they practice witchcraft.

07:20:06.620 I'm not saying whether it's hypocritical, but I'm saying that they exist.

07:20:12.360 I'm not even talking about hypocrisy.

07:20:14.500 I'm saying that for a thing to be a thing has to have traits, characteristics, something

07:20:19.640 that defines it as the thing.

07:20:21.820 So I would say that they do because they wholeheartedly follow and avidly follow Jesus.

07:20:27.100 You can't.

07:20:27.660 You can't do that and also be a witch.

07:20:29.960 Okay.

07:20:30.580 Imagine saying.

07:20:31.560 Well, it's just, the witchcraft is just a study of energy and manipulation.

07:20:34.760 Hang on.

07:20:35.080 So why can't I say that I'm an avid follower of Jesus Satanist?

07:20:39.740 Because that's two completely different things.

07:20:41.180 Right.

07:20:41.520 So it'd be contradictory to the position, right?

07:20:44.620 And so therefore, witchcraft.

07:20:45.940 But Satanism is a religion.

07:20:47.760 Christianity is a religion.

07:20:49.720 Witchcraft is a spiritual belief.

07:20:52.000 No.

07:20:52.300 Satanism is a religion.

07:20:53.580 No.

07:20:53.640 Most certainly it is not.

07:20:54.640 The Church of Satan.

07:20:55.120 The Church of Satan is a secular organization that deems it's non-religious.

07:20:59.160 There's also non-secular Satanists as well, too.

07:21:03.100 That's true.

07:21:03.800 But I'm not talking about them.

07:21:05.140 I'm talking about Satanists.

07:21:06.740 Why can't I say that I am a Jesus-loving Satanist?

07:21:11.540 I guess you could say that.

07:21:13.100 I don't know.

07:21:13.540 And that would be a true statement?

07:21:15.880 Based on your beliefs?

07:21:16.820 Jive Anik donated $100.

07:21:20.000 Christian witches exist.

07:21:21.360 Single bachelors exist.

07:21:22.800 Five-sided triangles exist.

07:21:24.560 Exist men who bang men and are straight.

07:21:26.460 Exist Protestants who aren't cringe exist all the same.

07:21:29.680 In other words, if anybody can characterize anything they want as whatever they want, then the meaning of the thing no longer has any meaning.

07:21:37.540 So if you say, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in Jesus Christ, what would actually make you a Christian?

07:21:43.580 They do believe in Jesus, though.

07:21:44.780 Yeah, but what would make you a Christian if you said that you don't?

07:21:47.300 And they practice based off their...

07:21:48.120 I don't fully know because I'm not a Christian witch.

07:21:50.880 I don't identify with that.

07:21:52.400 But they do exist, and it's actually really fascinating.

07:21:54.740 Well, so here, I'll concede some ground that there are people who call themselves Christian witches who exist.

07:22:01.040 Whether they are Christians or not, that's debatable.

07:22:04.520 But I can't debate it with you because you say you don't really know what a Christian is.

07:22:08.140 I know what a Christian is.

07:22:09.140 What is it?

07:22:10.720 I would...

07:22:11.400 A Christian, someone who believes in Jesus, they believe in heaven and hell.

07:22:14.740 Well, it's not believing in Jesus.

07:22:16.180 You also have to follow the teachings of Jesus.

07:22:18.340 Yeah.

07:22:18.580 And what is the following of the teachings of Jesus Christ when it comes to utilizing magic or anything other than the use of way of Jesus Christ himself?

07:22:27.300 Well, I understand that.

07:22:28.480 I'm not 100% sure.

07:22:29.880 What is the teachings around this?

07:22:31.500 Oh, I know they're against witchcraft in the Bible.

07:22:32.960 Okay, so if that is true and Christianity is following the teachings of Jesus Christ, then how could you be following the teachings?

07:22:39.680 Because people wildly disagree on the Bible.

07:22:41.560 That's why there's so many different branches of Christianity.

07:22:44.840 Not that wildly.

07:22:45.460 They do disagree on different topics, though.

07:22:47.500 Oh, you know what?

07:22:48.440 Let's do this.

07:22:50.000 It's okay.

07:22:50.600 I'm not going to sit here and defend a Christian witch because I'm not a Christian witch.

07:22:53.740 Anyway, in any case...

07:22:54.760 So I'm not going to...

07:22:55.460 But it is interesting for people who want to look into it.

07:22:57.660 TTS is 69, guys.

07:22:58.220 If you want, you can get a roast in 69 TTS.

07:23:01.980 Actually, Juan, I just pulled it up since from Pagan.

07:23:06.060 Woman's body count is mostly called out by other women.

07:23:09.760 These women are the ones salute-shaming women.

07:23:14.520 Woman?

07:23:15.160 Woman?

07:23:15.680 Women?

07:23:15.860 The girls are now getting me confused.

07:23:18.020 Women, woman, woman...

07:23:20.040 Wait, he's doing it.

07:23:20.940 Yeah, he's doing it.

07:23:21.660 You screwed me up, Pagan.

07:23:23.500 Woman, do this because it has a social impact.

07:23:27.280 Ho, men don't care if called out.

07:23:29.040 So blame the matriarchy.

07:23:31.200 Speaking of body count, thank you, Pagan, for bringing that up.

07:23:35.300 Do you guys think body count matters?

07:23:38.540 Yes.

07:23:38.800 This is what I want on my iCarly remote for.

07:23:41.360 Why?

07:23:41.720 I was going to say, yes, it matters.

07:23:46.380 I'll just say it however long.

07:23:47.780 We didn't ask you what it was, though.

07:23:49.700 No, but I just think body count's a really stupid topic.

07:23:53.000 Stupid topic?

07:23:53.700 Yeah, I think it's dumb.

07:23:54.440 So you would think, for example, or you would say, men who do care about body count are what?

07:24:02.220 Not the man for me.

07:24:03.520 Insecure?

07:24:04.520 Men that can't get it in real life.

07:24:05.980 No, not the man for me.

07:24:09.080 If that's their moral ground.

07:24:10.920 I just don't think someone's determination in who they are as a person and their character is necessarily defined by their body.

07:24:17.260 Especially because there's a lot of women who maybe slept with a lot of men and then decided that they wanted to be a Christian.

07:24:24.400 But there's no disagreement with that.

07:24:26.580 There's no disagreement that just the amount of people that you slept with is the entire definition of who and what you are.

07:24:33.800 No, but I think a lot of people.

07:24:35.540 I think a lot of people will have judgments around you doing this.

07:24:40.100 Sure, but that doesn't mean that we're saying that's the entirety of what you are.

07:24:44.460 So the question is, is it important when it comes to dating?

07:24:47.780 Clearly it seems to be important when it comes to dating.

07:24:50.100 To some people.

07:24:50.820 To me it's not, but that's my personal opinion.

07:24:53.460 Yeah.

07:24:54.160 What about you?

07:24:55.240 It doesn't matter.

07:24:56.300 Does it matter?

07:24:58.160 Yeah, I think it does.

07:24:59.400 Okay.

07:25:00.040 I think it matters.

07:25:02.520 I think it matters if it's an insane number.

07:25:07.100 I think it matters.

07:25:10.100 Yeah, you can guess.

07:25:11.140 It matters.

07:25:12.360 Body count?

07:25:13.060 Yes, it matters.

07:25:14.240 So going back around the table, starting with you, body count doesn't matter.

07:25:18.460 What's your body count?

07:25:19.740 I don't know.

07:25:21.080 Range?

07:25:22.180 Probably like 30.

07:25:25.040 Okay.

07:25:25.720 30-ish.

07:25:28.460 Ish?

07:25:28.780 Yeah, mainly women.

07:25:30.560 Like I think it's like been around 20 women, men, probably 10.

07:25:42.600 So 30-ish.

07:25:44.160 30 to 40.

07:25:45.060 30 to 40.

07:25:45.880 Fair to say?

07:25:46.500 Okay.

07:25:47.260 What about you?

07:25:48.700 I don't know.

07:25:49.620 Higher.

07:25:54.620 Higher.

07:25:56.460 Higher.

07:25:57.080 Higher.

07:25:58.180 Into the mic.

07:25:59.520 So how about, let's start with the scenes you've done.

07:26:01.780 So how many scenes have you done?

07:26:04.220 Between collabs and professional scenes, it's a lot.

07:26:08.120 Over 100?

07:26:09.760 I have no idea.

07:26:11.340 Over 200?

07:26:12.860 I would say around like 100 to 200.

07:26:15.320 100 to 200?

07:26:16.220 Wait, didn't you say?

07:26:16.480 Between men and women.

07:26:17.880 Wait, didn't you say?

07:26:18.180 She said 30 earlier, yeah.

07:26:19.180 Yeah, you said like way lower number earlier.

07:26:21.260 Because she was leaving out the other part.

07:26:23.040 She was thinking just straight corn scenes instead of collabs, right?

07:26:25.860 Like that you shoot or they shoot.

07:26:28.520 I was talking about mainstream a lot.

07:26:29.740 Oh, yeah.

07:26:30.600 We'll count that.

07:26:31.220 But between collabs, it's different.

07:26:32.800 Higher.

07:26:32.920 Oh, I should try to specify that if, anyways.

07:26:37.660 Over 100?

07:26:38.700 She said 200.

07:26:39.820 200.

07:26:40.260 Between 100 and 200.

07:26:41.000 And some of these scenes, though, involve multiple men, correct?

07:26:44.740 Yeah, and there's also women, and I also count women, I guess.

07:26:47.480 Sure.

07:26:47.820 And what's the most amount of men that you've had in the scene?

07:26:49.820 Have you ever had like three men in the scene?

07:26:51.720 Unfortunately, not yet.

07:26:52.740 Only two.

07:26:55.140 Two is the most?

07:26:56.160 Yeah.

07:26:56.940 Okay, two men in the scene.

07:27:00.100 And then what about civilian?

07:27:03.620 And you, wait, how long have you been doing OF slash porn?

07:27:07.460 I started at OF like almost two years ago.

07:27:09.900 Two years.

07:27:10.320 And then you got into porn more recently.

07:27:12.640 Yeah.

07:27:12.820 Okay.

07:27:13.500 I see.

07:27:14.280 Okay.

07:27:15.160 And so, wait.

07:27:19.920 And so that's, you said over 100 men?

07:27:22.980 So have you racked this, all of this up in the last two years?

07:27:26.000 I've had a high body count before this.

07:27:27.920 Oh, okay.

07:27:28.640 That's fair.

07:27:28.920 So from the civilian angle then?

07:27:30.160 Yeah.

07:27:30.500 The civvies.

07:27:31.280 Yeah.

07:27:31.580 But now I no longer deal with civilians.

07:27:33.000 Well, how many civvies is what I'm asking?

07:27:35.640 Yeah.

07:27:35.660 How many civilians?

07:27:38.580 50 or 60?

07:27:44.240 Hold on.

07:27:44.780 I'm trying to do the math here.

07:27:45.820 So it's safe to say somewhere around 170 to over 200 men?

07:27:53.360 Like around 150 maybe.

07:27:55.620 That's if we add up all the civilians?

07:27:58.120 Yeah.

07:27:59.740 I'm including women too.

07:28:01.140 Like, I don't know.

07:28:01.740 Okay.

07:28:06.000 50-50 maybe.

07:28:07.060 Do you have a preference?

07:28:14.080 No.

07:28:16.680 Between men and women, you mean?

07:28:17.820 Yeah.

07:28:18.600 Oh.

07:28:19.720 Okay.

07:28:21.200 If anyone, going around the table, I guess I can open it up to the people who say it does

07:28:24.860 matter.

07:28:25.640 Body count?

07:28:31.060 Seven.

07:28:32.180 Okay.

07:28:32.580 Real Trump donated $69.

07:28:39.440 Brian, when the talk, the flight attendant left, I thought you lost half the panel.

07:28:43.820 Turns out it was just her.

07:28:45.780 I bet when the gate attendant sees she's on the flight, they had 30 minutes to the arrival

07:28:50.300 time.

07:28:51.760 For sure, at the end of the day, I'll feed her, but she'll never see that.

07:28:55.720 All right.

07:28:56.280 Thank you for the TTS, man.

07:28:58.600 Honestly, if it wasn't for you.

07:29:00.280 Jimmy donated $69.

07:29:04.420 If queen age gap doesn't mean men aren't mature, most women 18 to 20 in the Midwest are just

07:29:10.320 weird.

07:29:11.300 My cousin dated a girl who would get upset and say I'm just a little girl in public.

07:29:16.560 They were two-year gap.

07:29:18.480 Yo, Jimmy, thank you for the TTS.

07:29:21.240 I do think, though, she might...

07:29:23.380 I don't know if it was the...

07:29:25.200 There were a couple of mean chats that came through.

07:29:27.220 So, granted, I think some of the supers we didn't show just because they were pretty

07:29:32.380 nasty, but I think it was maybe you guys.

07:29:36.320 You guys went a little hard in the chats.

07:29:37.940 It didn't help our cause for keeping her on the panel.

07:29:40.320 Just saying.

07:29:41.200 Just saying, guys.

07:29:43.240 They don't give a shit, Brian.

07:29:45.940 Yeah, they just want to talk shit.

07:29:47.600 They don't give a shit.

07:29:47.620 They don't give a shit.

07:29:47.800 They don't give a shit.

07:29:47.820 They don't give a shit.

07:29:47.900 They don't give a shit.

07:29:47.920 They don't give a shit.

07:29:48.320 They just want to talk.

07:29:49.080 Yeah.

07:29:50.300 Cool.

07:29:51.080 Wait, so where were we?

07:29:52.080 Oh, body count?

07:29:52.840 Those, I would say, my husband and I never talked about it, but I would say it's pretty

07:29:57.160 close to Lindsay.

07:29:58.240 Okay.

07:29:59.580 10.

07:30:01.260 Also 10.

07:30:02.680 Single digits.

07:30:06.100 Less than 20.

07:30:09.200 Okay.

07:30:11.000 Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.

07:30:12.860 For all of you.

07:30:13.500 Just kidding.

07:30:13.960 I'm kidding.

07:30:14.460 I'm kidding.

07:30:14.640 I'm kidding.

07:30:15.080 Just a joke.

07:30:15.660 Just a joke.

07:30:16.500 Okay.

07:30:17.720 Let's see.

07:30:18.320 What else do we have to...

07:30:19.200 I think we got through everything.

07:30:21.200 Oh, we did body count?

07:30:23.360 Yeah.

07:30:23.460 Oh, I guess the last thing was the bear thing really quick.

07:30:26.800 We won't linger on it, but I'm just collecting data on this at this point.

07:30:32.000 Would you rather be in a forest with a random man or a random bear?

07:30:38.520 And the scenario is there's not motivations as to why the man is in the forest.

07:30:42.520 It's just you get like randomly teleported, transported, transported into a forest.

07:30:51.140 Same with the bear.

07:30:52.100 Same with the man.

07:30:53.300 So...

07:30:53.620 That was not a teleporting sound.

07:30:55.600 It's...

07:30:56.720 You don't watch Dragon Ball Z.

07:30:58.340 Oh, yeah.

07:30:59.260 That is the teleporting sound.

07:31:00.880 You're right.

07:31:01.420 Yeah.

07:31:01.700 The Goku.

07:31:04.600 Do you pick bear or man?

07:31:09.100 We've failed.

07:31:09.720 I'd rather kill a man because I would rather kill a man than a bear.

07:31:12.620 I wouldn't want to harm an animal.

07:31:13.780 That was pretty heavy metal.

07:31:14.460 Okay.

07:31:14.780 Are you a vegan?

07:31:16.080 No.

07:31:16.600 I can't.

07:31:17.220 I'm allergic to tofu and soy.

07:31:19.700 She'd rather kill a man.

07:31:20.800 And my ex-girlfriend tried so hard to make me vegan.

07:31:23.060 What do you mean you wouldn't...

07:31:24.840 I can't eat vegan food.

07:31:26.040 It makes me like violently sick.

07:31:27.440 But then you kill animals all the fucking time.

07:31:29.920 I have to.

07:31:31.240 And it makes me really sad.

07:31:32.880 I tried going vegan for...

07:31:34.260 So as long as you kill it...

07:31:34.520 I tried going vegan for three years.

07:31:36.580 I cannot do it.

07:31:37.900 It's a dietary restriction.

07:31:39.220 But if you kill the bear in the forest, you could eat the bear.

07:31:42.260 You're not going to eat the man, are you?

07:31:46.360 She's now a cannibal too, I guess.

07:31:49.860 Survival at that point.

07:31:51.260 Why do you have to kill either one of them, though?

07:31:53.560 That's what I'm confused about.

07:31:55.640 Well, it doesn't really matter who you're in the woods with.

07:31:58.720 David Tuzetziak donated $69.

07:32:02.040 Roast.

07:32:02.880 Wake up.

07:32:03.780 Grab a brush and put on all a little makeup.

07:32:06.620 Hide the scars to hide up the shake-up.

07:32:08.520 I want a free first hex or love spell, please.

07:32:11.760 Respect to fight attendant.

07:32:13.860 W, flight attendant.

07:32:15.200 W, flight attendant.

07:32:17.180 That's a big F to the flight attendant.

07:32:20.460 Big fat L she took today.

07:32:23.920 Big L.

07:32:25.160 Big L.

07:32:26.200 Big L.

07:32:26.680 Andrew had the kid gloves on, too.

07:32:29.360 Kid gloves.

07:32:30.500 The guns were not blazing.

07:32:31.740 Guns not blazing.

07:32:32.880 Guns not blazing.

07:32:33.740 They were blanks.

07:32:34.280 Big, huge, fat L she took today.

07:32:37.420 They were blanks.

07:32:40.660 She had so many notes.

07:32:41.960 It was a big L.

07:32:42.660 She had so much potential.

07:32:45.600 Man.

07:32:46.000 A large L.

07:32:46.740 By the way, man.

07:32:48.460 Hmm?

07:32:48.980 Man.

07:32:49.980 Man?

07:32:50.760 Yeah, man.

07:32:51.400 Man.

07:32:51.440 Man.

07:32:51.460 Man.

07:32:51.540 Yeah, bear man.

07:32:52.080 Bear man, this is what we're doing.

07:32:53.520 Oh, well, yeah, we'll just go around the table.

07:32:55.540 Which do you pick?

07:32:57.220 Man.

07:32:57.780 What would I do with a bear?

07:32:58.880 Like, that's scary.

07:33:02.160 Man, for sure.

07:33:03.420 Man.

07:33:04.440 Man.

07:33:05.340 Man.

07:33:06.160 Man.

07:33:07.020 Man.

07:33:07.360 Man.

07:33:07.740 Hmm.

07:33:09.480 Well, I was not expecting man from you, but okay.

07:33:14.200 That's a good one.

07:33:15.700 That's a good one.

07:33:16.660 Before we wrap up, any final thoughts from anybody?

07:33:19.000 Any final topics or quick things you wouldn't like to hit on before we wrap up?

07:33:23.820 Speak Now, Forever, Hold Your Peace.

07:33:26.200 I would like to say something.

07:33:28.520 No.

07:33:29.200 No.

07:33:29.320 Okay.

07:33:29.640 I'm kidding.

07:33:30.180 I'm kidding.

07:33:30.540 Go ahead.

07:33:30.780 Go ahead.

07:33:30.960 I mean, it was part of why I wanted to come on here, because it is a conversation that

07:33:35.140 I hear that's brought up a lot.

07:33:36.420 Mm-hmm.

07:33:36.600 It's the whole abortion versus keeping situation.

07:33:42.420 I watch a lot of different things.

07:33:44.020 I watch a lot of your podcast, and I wanted to come on because-

07:33:47.040 How do you do that with no internet at your home?

07:33:48.800 I have on my phone.

07:33:50.400 I watch my phone.

07:33:51.040 So you still have internet at your home?

07:33:52.340 I have that kind of internet.

07:33:52.780 I don't pay for Comcast.

07:33:54.340 Okay.

07:33:54.580 So I don't have Comcast.

07:33:55.220 All right.

07:33:55.720 Go ahead.

07:33:57.880 But the one thing I don't hear in any conversations that I listen to, whether it be on your podcast

07:34:01.560 or any other one, is the third option, which is adoption.

07:34:05.740 And earlier, even when she was giving out her reasons for why she thought people should

07:34:10.200 abort, she started to bring up the whole foster care situation.

07:34:17.200 And it's a very large misconception that people think that children who come out of pregnant

07:34:23.120 women's bellies, children go to foster care, because they don't.

07:34:25.860 Like the baby I gave away went straight into its family, like straight into the family.

07:34:31.200 And a lot of people I've talked to, it like flabbergasted them.

07:34:34.640 And I was just wanting people to know that when you give a baby away from adoption from

07:34:38.580 your womb, it goes straight into a family.

07:34:41.200 Another thing I think a lot of women should know is as the person, I actually denied it,

07:34:45.920 but you can make an unward up to between $40,000 and $70,000 just for being pregnant, because

07:34:54.480 the family who's adopting your baby is going to pay for your rent, pay for your car.

07:34:59.260 As a surrogate?

07:35:00.740 Well, you are a surrogate, technically, because you are a person who's become pregnant with

07:35:06.640 your own egg.

07:35:07.840 And so now the adopting parents, they're paying for a lot of things, because I hear a lot of

07:35:12.420 girls say, well, I can't afford the food while I'm pregnant, or the doctor visits, or I'm

07:35:16.340 going to have to buy all these clothes.

07:35:17.400 And no, you won't.

07:35:18.480 No, you won't.

07:35:19.180 And if you're afraid that the struggle is the struggle, and that's why you can't just stay

07:35:24.100 pregnant and give life to a family in need of life, then there's a whole, you just don't

07:35:29.280 know the situation.

07:35:30.560 We don't usually get a chance to move over to any of the adoption arguments, because we're

07:35:36.960 stuck on whether or not this activity is even murder.

07:35:40.960 So if it's not murder, or even if it's more charitable, it's not killing, if that's what

07:35:47.140 the belief is, if you don't believe that it is, why would you ever waste your time with

07:35:53.120 adoption?

07:35:53.980 Because you think you're just eliminating non-life, right?

07:35:57.560 To them, it's like burning a table.

07:36:00.120 It's just, it's meaningless.

07:36:01.460 So you have to establish the principle of life first before you can go on to the solution

07:36:05.380 of what to do.

07:36:06.220 Yeah, and I've always, and I was really hoping that you would bring up a reason, because a

07:36:10.840 scenario that I always think of when people say, well, it's not a life, it's not a life.

07:36:15.400 It'd be like going to a farm and digging up all the plants that were just planted, because

07:36:20.440 they're not plants yet.

07:36:22.060 Like saying that a baby inside of a belly is not a life, it's not a human, because it

07:36:25.940 hasn't reached certain stages, or it's not come out of a womb yet, or it hasn't breathed

07:36:30.220 air, like breathed air.

07:36:31.820 I always think that's just so ridiculous to say that, because there's so many things

07:36:35.840 that aren't quite what they should be, because they're in a development stage.

07:36:40.220 And for us as a society to look at a growing human being, and there'd be a 50-50 split

07:36:45.760 between some of us who say, no, that's a life, and other people who say, no, that's just a

07:36:49.600 clump of cells.

07:36:51.380 It's not a human, even though it's growing inside of a human.

07:36:54.240 It just blows my mind.

07:36:56.140 And I just wanted to come on here and talk about how it's...

07:36:58.100 I think that that's a bad argument to make, and the reason I'd say it's a really bad argument

07:37:03.380 to make is because you're not going to be able to make any kind of moral justification

07:37:07.000 for why it would not be okay to go dig up seeds.

07:37:09.640 Daria donated $30.

07:37:11.520 TTS is now $30.

07:37:13.260 Chi-chi to Brian and Andrew, you guys are the best.

07:37:16.980 Please do the bow video.

07:37:18.640 We can do it.

07:37:19.040 Also, to all the girls, would you bow to your Eyeline FM boys?

07:37:23.960 So guys, TTS is now $30.

07:37:26.040 Oh, Jimmy.

07:37:26.400 Jimmy's donated $69.

07:37:28.960 W.

07:37:29.640 Brian, good show as always.

07:37:32.360 No crazy attackers tonight, lol.

07:37:35.100 Proof women have violent tendencies.

07:37:37.920 Andrew, I would love to pick your brain one day.

07:37:40.980 Always learn something when you're on the show.

07:37:43.620 Good, man.

07:37:43.920 Yeah, Jimmy, I appreciate the TTS, man.

07:37:47.120 Thank you.

07:37:48.140 Daria, I can...

07:37:49.620 I'm going to have to go behind the scenes to get the bow video set up,

07:37:52.780 but we can do it kind of here at the end.

07:37:55.220 We have Matthew Harder.

07:37:56.560 Hey, thank you for the $100 super chat, man.

07:37:58.320 Thank you so much, Matt.

07:37:59.800 Church of Satan and secular Satanists who follow Paradise Lost are all Satanists.

07:38:04.380 They both violate the first commandment of pride.

07:38:06.620 I, me, my, mine.

07:38:09.600 Yeah, I don't disagree with you, but as you know, part of my argumentation style is just

07:38:14.960 to grant arguments to show the absurdity of them.

07:38:18.420 Thank you, Matthew Harder, for the big $100 super chat here at the end of the show.

07:38:22.380 Really appreciate it, Matt.

07:38:23.140 Thank you.

07:38:24.300 I think that's their new name.

07:38:26.740 First time super chatting, maybe?

07:38:28.280 Thank you, man.

07:38:28.700 I really appreciate it.

07:38:29.760 Guys, $30 TTS, last call.

07:38:32.080 Get the roast in.

07:38:32.940 Roast session.

07:38:33.460 You know, she was big on dunking on these predatory, these, she thinks these predatory

07:38:39.640 men dating women three years younger than them.

07:38:43.600 That was not what I said.

07:38:44.560 Predatory.

07:38:45.340 I said 12.

07:38:45.960 She thinks a man who dates a woman who's like a day younger than him, predatory.

07:38:51.060 She thinks they're predators.

07:38:53.360 So if you want to roast her.

07:38:55.560 Yeah.

07:38:56.640 You can.

07:38:58.240 She'll put a hex on you.

07:38:59.540 There's way better things you can roast me on.

07:39:01.440 She also.

07:39:01.900 There's way more things you can roast me on.

07:39:04.480 Okay, like what?

07:39:05.020 Please roast me.

07:39:05.560 Like, oh, she has a thing for me.

07:39:07.380 Wait, I don't know.

07:39:08.860 Don't engage in her king.

07:39:09.920 Actually, roast her.

07:39:10.640 Go ahead.

07:39:12.020 What should they roast you about?

07:39:13.520 I don't know.

07:39:13.920 Anything.

07:39:14.320 The whole, like, you can have an abortion a day before you otherwise would give birth.

07:39:18.280 I wouldn't do it.

07:39:18.460 I wouldn't do it, but y'all can do it.

07:39:23.160 You want to do that.

07:39:24.080 That's your choice.

07:39:24.900 You're already.

07:39:25.200 What should they roast you on?

07:39:26.420 Your gigantic hoop earrings?

07:39:28.060 Actually, they're not that big, to be honest.

07:39:29.960 They're cute.

07:39:30.240 You can't fit a thing in it.

07:39:31.560 I don't know.

07:39:32.120 Should they, they could roast you on the, like, the triple septum?

07:39:36.520 It's one, but it looks like three.

07:39:38.160 Come on.

07:39:38.620 They're going to roast Helen Keller.

07:39:41.200 The whole thing is just going to be.

07:39:43.280 Oh, yeah.

07:39:44.040 It's a new hashtag.

07:39:45.080 It's just going to be 800 Helen Keller.

07:39:45.660 Long Paladins donated $30.

07:39:47.680 You guys should play that for real.

07:39:48.400 Just when I thought you had somehow found every single crazy woman in California, you somehow

07:39:53.840 still find a way to get new guests onto your show.

07:39:57.400 W.

07:39:57.880 Brian, L for all of us.

07:40:01.860 Juxtapose O3 donated $29.99.

07:40:06.380 Remove humanity from a person.

07:40:08.520 This is the only way one could justify in their deluded mind that nursed is okay.

07:40:14.060 Once you dehumanize, there is no limit to the evil you could commit.

07:40:18.620 That's correct.

07:40:18.980 God bless Andrew.

07:40:20.640 100% correct.

07:40:21.600 Real Trump donated $29.

07:40:24.540 Brian, I keep trying to imagine the talker sitting in the tiny jump seat on the plane

07:40:29.360 when it takes off.

07:40:30.960 Do you think she has to get that fat strap to buckle in properly?

07:40:36.380 Damn.

07:40:37.020 GMD Jim donated $30.

07:40:39.700 The first time we find a microbe on another planet, they will call it life.

07:40:44.340 But this evil world will not call a baby in the womb a life.

07:40:47.840 This world truly deserves to burn.

07:40:50.400 All right, thank you, Jim, for the TTS.

07:40:52.200 Billionthum has donated $30.

07:40:53.700 Yo, Billionthum, thank you, man.

07:40:54.760 Voldemort, Christian witches are called heretics.

07:40:58.440 Witchcraft is satanic.

07:40:59.840 Boom, roasted.

07:41:01.380 Owned.

07:41:02.240 Checkmate.

07:41:03.380 Sure.

07:41:03.720 Boom, roasted.

07:41:04.460 Witch.

07:41:07.020 Silvalf donated $30.

07:41:08.900 Thank you, Wolf.

07:41:09.600 This is why I asked the question if Christianity were true.

07:41:13.060 Would you become a Christian?

07:41:14.820 It was to test your logic and to see how willing you are to converting.

07:41:18.660 They're not willing at all.

07:41:19.360 Thank you, Wolf.

07:41:20.400 Not willing.

07:41:20.960 Not willing.

07:41:22.120 Mr. Bullay donated $30.

07:41:24.820 Patriarchy Inquisition Communique.

07:41:27.280 Grand Inquisitor, Brian has failed to deliver the autographed blue white cup with certificate

07:41:32.580 of authenticity.

07:41:33.940 Where is it, Brian?

07:41:34.260 My inventory audit confirms this.

07:41:37.120 Execute order 66.

07:41:39.300 After our little debate.

07:41:40.320 We have a debate.

07:41:40.860 Paladins donated $30.

07:41:43.000 Debate tomorrow, boys.

07:41:43.380 For the Prostar, I'd love to roast you, but you've already been spit-roasted more than

07:41:48.640 I care for.

07:41:49.800 W for all the pro-life women of the panel.

07:41:52.940 Fight the death cult woke mind virus.

07:41:55.580 Well, Paladins think...

07:41:56.620 Jivanic donated $30.

07:41:58.380 Jivanic.

07:41:59.140 Jivanic.

07:41:59.380 Andrew based.

07:42:00.980 Based older married women.

07:42:03.140 Based blue shirt blonde.

07:42:05.240 Younger blue.

07:42:06.200 Nice voice.

07:42:07.240 Bad idea to pronounce the D-gen.

07:42:09.720 Yellow.

07:42:10.300 What?

07:42:10.400 Generic basic conservatism is cringe.

07:42:13.780 Witch.

07:42:14.540 Porn star quit it.

07:42:16.640 What is pronounced?

07:42:17.820 Reap what you so donated $30.

07:42:20.200 Okay.

07:42:20.680 By the witch's own logic, no one should take what she says into consideration because she

07:42:25.660 has no life experience and her prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed.

07:42:30.420 She cooked herself.

07:42:31.740 Yo, Reese, thank you.

07:42:32.760 That's very good.

07:42:33.020 Roth underscore PSA donated $30.

07:42:35.480 The panel rating increased by six when the flight attendant left, so you are all tens

07:42:41.260 now.

07:42:42.220 $1,000 for a champagne pop, but how much for a lint roll?

07:42:48.080 PSA.

07:42:48.920 I'll do it.

07:42:51.740 Just drop a 99.

07:42:54.080 Why not?

07:42:54.800 I'll do it for 69.

07:42:56.660 I'll give a little discount.

07:42:58.360 I will lint roll the shit out of Andrew.

07:43:02.200 What the fuck?

07:43:03.240 I will, I will.

07:43:09.000 Yeah, why would you do that, Brian?

07:43:11.200 Why would you say that?

07:43:15.240 I'm an enthusiastic lint roller.

07:43:20.540 What?

07:43:21.120 You want someone to half-ass lint rolling, Andrew?

07:43:24.320 You want me to half-ass?

07:43:25.760 Roth underscore PSA.

07:43:27.480 The shit out of Andrew.

07:43:29.140 I'm going to lint roll.

07:43:30.220 Andrew.

07:43:31.340 Ooh, I'm going to lint roll the shit out of you, Andrew.

07:43:34.240 All right.

07:43:34.820 Put your arm out, bro.

07:43:36.840 Put it up.

07:43:37.300 Show me your tummy, Andrew.

07:43:39.200 Show me your tummy.

07:43:40.360 Do it.

07:43:41.360 Woo!

07:43:42.780 Excuse me.

07:43:43.460 Lint roll the shit.

07:43:49.540 W.

07:43:49.980 Wicked Wally donated $30.

07:43:52.720 Brian, I have to help Andrew.

07:43:54.560 Sorry, Rachel.

07:43:55.040 Feminism is the lowering of standards.

07:43:58.500 No aspect of feminism doesn't lead to lower standards for women.

07:44:02.800 You're appealing to feminism for sex if she won't put out.

07:44:06.820 Wait, what?

07:44:07.760 Boston's favorite buy donated $29.99.

07:44:12.400 Boston.

07:44:12.840 Kuma Gremlin eats me for breakfast.

07:44:14.920 Boston.

07:44:15.260 Boston.

07:44:15.360 Boston.

07:44:15.420 Boston.

07:44:15.820 Boston.

07:44:15.880 Boston.

07:44:16.300 Boston.

07:44:16.820 Boston.

07:44:17.360 Boston.

07:44:17.440 Boston.

07:44:17.480 Boston.

07:44:17.600 Boston.

07:44:25.040 If I got Helen Keller died to be traumatized, I can't wait to hear the rest of the stories

07:44:30.740 lol.

07:44:31.740 If Queen is descendant of the one that didn't get caught during the trials.

07:44:36.880 Salem.

07:44:37.540 One escaped.

07:44:38.400 Salem.

07:44:38.980 Which?

07:44:39.160 We've created a term.

07:44:40.880 Helen Keller.

07:44:42.000 Well, I think there's that one song by 303 that's like, shush girl, shush your lips.

07:44:48.360 I'm telling you.

07:44:48.740 Do the Helen Keller and talk with your hips.

07:44:52.400 That has Loki written about you.

07:44:53.800 I want to go home.

07:44:56.420 There's going to be shirts tomorrow that says, I got Helen Keller.

07:44:59.640 Oh, my gosh.

07:45:00.940 You need to get like a witch cackle.

07:45:03.340 That would be sick.

07:45:04.340 Do I have?

07:45:06.160 I don't know if I have.

07:45:07.860 Can you do one?

07:45:08.860 I can try.

07:45:09.840 It's probably not going to be good.

07:45:11.400 Try to sound like a witch.

07:45:13.960 Okay, hold on.

07:45:16.100 Oh, that was a dolphin.

07:45:17.420 That was trash.

07:45:18.420 That was trash.

07:45:20.240 That was trash.

07:45:21.560 All right, I'm done.

07:45:24.180 That was the most trash.

07:45:25.920 I do know a chick who can read your mind.

07:45:29.080 Ew.

07:45:29.620 We're in a carpet.

07:45:31.300 Well, she sat right here.

07:45:32.760 She could speak to dolphins.

07:45:35.400 Yeah.

07:45:35.640 She could speak to dolphins in her mind.

07:45:36.460 We should get you guys linked up.

07:45:37.960 There's a dolphin girl?

07:45:39.180 Yeah, we had a dolphin girl on the show recently.

07:45:41.340 Oh, okay.

07:45:42.160 She can tell her, well, she can communicate with her mind to dolphins.

07:45:48.920 Oh, okay.

07:45:49.980 All right.

07:45:50.440 What do you mean?

07:45:50.900 Oh, okay.

07:45:51.500 Like, oh, that's unbelievable?

07:45:52.800 What witchcraft is believable?

07:45:54.120 Okay, that's very different.

07:45:55.520 But I thought you meant she was like a marine biologist and she knew the different sounds

07:45:58.920 of dolphins.

07:45:59.660 I'm autistic.

07:46:00.400 So when you bring up, like, dolphins and sharks, I get real into it.

07:46:03.940 She can just do the wom, wom, wom thing and they just come up to the shore, apparently.

07:46:09.220 I think there is something to it.

07:46:10.760 Isn't that, oh, that's echolocation.

07:46:13.220 You were telepathically called dolphins?

07:46:15.140 No, it's not echolocation.

07:46:16.280 It's not echolocation?

07:46:16.900 No, she uses, she uses, I don't know.

07:46:19.320 Telepathy?

07:46:19.960 Telepathy, yeah.

07:46:20.700 She's sick.

07:46:21.980 You guys should have had us on the field.

07:46:23.060 Real Trump donated $30.

07:46:25.580 Brian, on the plus side.

07:46:27.200 Very plus side.

07:46:27.620 If you did have the talker working your flight and your plane ditched, you wouldn't have to

07:46:31.500 scramble to find a flotation device.

07:46:33.920 I'm sure a part of her friends would come save you.

07:46:36.940 Oh, my God.

07:46:37.980 Is that in this room?

07:46:39.620 Wow.

07:46:40.720 There we go.

07:46:41.100 Oh, that super chat was heavy, bro.

07:46:47.260 Yeah, it was...

07:46:48.580 Brutal.

07:46:50.700 Yeah, it was...

07:46:52.020 Yeah, it was that.

07:46:55.320 It was that.

07:46:56.380 All right, guys, get your last little chatties in.

07:46:58.760 Oh, we'll do the Bound video really quick.

07:47:01.600 Are you able to, if you're...

07:47:05.640 We'll watch the Bound video.

07:47:06.800 This is what I want in a girl, you know.

07:47:09.240 This is what, talk about dating.

07:47:10.680 Boom.

07:47:11.460 Tears thou.

07:47:12.380 Ah, shit.

07:47:12.480 While Paladins donated $30, she realized the Dolphin Woman was just crazy, but yet somehow

07:47:19.320 can't look inward to her own delusions.

07:47:22.100 Well, unless it's all just a grift, and it's just her version of it that doesn't involve

07:47:27.700 nudity.

07:47:29.380 I fully support and believe in witchcraft.

07:47:31.920 It is not a grift.

07:47:32.880 I bet you fully supported and believed in starseeds.

07:47:38.840 Yeah, I think witchcraft is a little bit different.

07:47:43.660 It's not really that much different.

07:47:45.480 It's very different.

07:47:46.300 Let's...

07:47:47.300 Juxtapose O3 donated $29.99.

07:47:52.440 Thank you, man.

07:47:52.860 Question for the women in the panel.

07:47:55.060 If all men in the world changed their preference today to never interacting with you again unless

07:47:59.800 you became traditional slash Christian, would you shout out Crucible?

07:48:05.860 No, I would just continue dating women.

07:48:09.180 No, this would go for whatever your sexual preference was.

07:48:12.500 What?

07:48:12.860 So both men and women, I guess.

07:48:18.080 A woman...

07:48:19.000 Okay, so a woman would want me to be a traditional Christian?

07:48:22.540 Mm-hmm.

07:48:23.080 I guess whatever she's into.

07:48:25.020 Yeah, I guess this will do it for a woman, not a man.

07:48:28.900 What about you?

07:48:30.120 Log Paladins donated $30.

07:48:32.620 I also fully believe in...

07:48:34.940 You get paid to tell people that you believe in witchcraft.

07:48:38.340 One artist to another, stop the cap.

07:48:43.400 It's also my religious belief.

07:48:45.360 Well, more of a spiritual belief.

07:48:47.180 I fully believe in witchcraft.

07:48:48.860 Just because you don't believe in witchcraft doesn't mean I don't believe in witchcraft.

07:48:53.440 And it's something that can't be proven nor disproven.

07:48:57.080 Also, paganism is, like, very, very prevalent in our culture.

07:49:01.400 Do you realize...

07:49:02.180 Do you know why Christmas trees are a thing?

07:49:04.880 Oh, my God.

07:49:05.800 Who the hell cares?

07:49:09.320 Okay.

07:49:09.800 David Tuzekciak donated $30.

07:49:12.860 Brian, my brain, short-circuit on roast options with you grooming Andrew.

07:49:17.460 Just please, witchy woman, give me a free love spell and a hex on In-N-Out Burger for Brian.

07:49:22.720 Oh, my gosh.

07:49:23.840 Not free.

07:49:25.060 We can buy it on the website.

07:49:25.620 Name a taken donated $100.

07:49:28.600 Regarding girls who rate themselves 10 out of 10, perhaps rephrase the question.

07:49:33.840 I have one thing.

07:49:34.200 If you put your best-looking photo on the website hotsornot.com, what score do you think the community would give you?

07:49:41.460 Give us a 20.

07:49:43.360 Do you guys want to go around the table really quick on that?

07:49:47.200 Probably, like, a 7 or 8.

07:49:49.080 I like that framing.

07:49:50.280 Okay.

07:49:51.080 7.

07:49:51.440 Well, I think I'll stay with my 6.

07:49:59.980 I'd say 6 or 7.

07:50:02.140 Same.

07:50:02.600 I'd say probably 7.

07:50:04.180 How would I be rated?

07:50:05.380 Like a 2?

07:50:06.060 If people are brutal on those websites, I'd go down, like, 6.

07:50:10.960 Mm-hmm.

07:50:11.900 Yeah, go down.

07:50:13.680 Probably 6, 7.

07:50:16.220 Word.

07:50:18.200 Thank you, name.

07:50:19.080 Oh, thank you, name taken.

07:50:20.400 Appreciate it.

07:50:21.040 And then we have...

07:50:22.040 Lol Paladin's donated $30.

07:50:25.040 Just give me $200 and I'll cast a spell for you.

07:50:29.220 It's super different from only Van's grifters.

07:50:32.380 Wait, so, really quick.

07:50:34.800 I want you guys, if you guys are down, not the panel, the viewers, you guys need to roast

07:50:39.960 the shit out of this fucking House of the Dragon finale.

07:50:44.220 Oh, my...

07:50:44.940 Anybody here watch House of the Dragon?

07:50:46.420 Yes.

07:50:46.640 I do, but I haven't seen the finales at all.

07:50:49.040 Don't spoil?

07:50:49.780 Don't spoil.

07:50:50.460 I don't think me saying this...

07:50:51.400 I actually didn't realize it was the finale as I was watching it.

07:50:54.160 Oh, you watched it?

07:50:54.900 Yeah, because I was like...

07:50:56.580 I knew it was the finale.

07:50:57.880 I knew it was the finale because I'd been keeping track of things.

07:51:01.240 But, yeah, only 8 episodes season.

07:51:03.360 First season was 10.

07:51:06.080 I won't do any spoilers, but holy shit, that was so dog shit.

07:51:10.780 What a dog shit filler season.

07:51:12.800 House of the Dragon, what the fuck, HBO.

07:51:14.940 You're gonna ruin...

07:51:16.440 You've already ruined your fucking most...

07:51:19.340 The biggest fucking franchise since Star Wars.

07:51:22.940 You ruined Game of Thrones, the biggest franchise since intellectual property, since Star Wars.

07:51:29.120 You butchered it, and you're now going to...

07:51:31.380 You redeemed yourself with season one, House of the Dragon.

07:51:34.000 You're butchering this shit again.

07:51:35.860 We have to wait two years for another...

07:51:38.080 Two years?

07:51:38.940 Really?

07:51:39.500 Huh?

07:51:40.160 Really, son?

07:51:41.180 Really, Andrew?

07:51:42.160 Really?

07:51:42.400 It takes them two years to do a fucking season now?

07:51:45.300 What happened to this?

07:51:46.220 Back in the 90s, they would do 30 episode seasons of fucking Seinfeld, Friends, all this shit.

07:51:52.580 They'd put out two seasons in a year.

07:51:54.900 We gotta wait two years?

07:51:57.060 Two fucking...

07:51:57.960 We gotta wait two fucking years?

07:52:00.160 We gotta wait two fucking years?

07:52:02.340 We gotta wait two fucking years for ten fucking episodes?

07:52:08.620 Are you fucking crazy?

07:52:10.640 Game of Thrones, the first fucking six seasons, these fuckers, they put out the season...

07:52:15.740 Beautiful seasons, the best seasons, ten episodes in a year.

07:52:19.800 It's crazy.

07:52:20.480 Why is he...

07:52:21.480 Why is he just...

07:52:22.480 Why is he just...

07:52:23.180 But he turned into his coffee talk for a little bit.

07:52:27.400 These fuckers...

07:52:27.900 tiger paladins donated $30.

07:52:30.080 House of the Dragons got one thing right.

07:52:32.500 Don't die an old woman.

07:52:34.100 Have your kids while you're young.

07:52:36.160 Word.

07:52:37.280 But god damn...

07:52:38.280 Oh my god, this freaking...

07:52:39.700 Guys, roast the shit if you watch the season finale of House of the Dragon.

07:52:43.900 Roast the fucking shit out of it, boys.

07:52:45.560 Roast the fucking shit.

07:52:46.040 Holy fuck.

07:52:46.760 They had...

07:52:47.680 They gave...

07:52:48.380 They could have done...

07:52:49.580 They could have done a battle.

07:52:50.820 There could have been something.

07:52:52.300 You've been building this shit up for the whole fucking season.

07:52:55.020 You did nothing with it.

07:52:56.240 It was a fucking filler episode.

07:52:57.780 It was a good episode.

07:52:59.060 It wasn't a good finale.

07:53:00.320 It could have been a good episode eight for an episode ten finale.

07:53:04.240 There are no episode ten...

07:53:05.700 No episode nine.

07:53:07.160 No episode ten.

07:53:08.080 It's an eight episode fucking season.

07:53:10.460 It's fucking bullshit.

07:53:11.820 Let me tell you.

07:53:12.740 Fucking bullshit.

07:53:13.680 I'm very upset by this.

07:53:14.800 How you doing, Andrew?

07:53:15.500 You doing okay?

07:53:16.040 He's doing great.

07:53:17.160 Don't worry about it.

07:53:18.980 So listen.

07:53:20.000 Listen.

07:53:20.340 This is what I got to tell you guys, okay?

07:53:23.100 They introduced...

07:53:24.360 I'm almost done with my autistic rant.

07:53:30.300 With your cannolis?

07:53:32.320 Yeah.

07:53:32.660 I'm almost done.

07:53:34.180 So get this right.

07:53:35.880 They spend ten minutes on fucking Thailand.

07:53:39.400 Thailand Lannister.

07:53:40.960 This fucking guy.

07:53:42.280 Thailand fucking Lannister.

07:53:43.840 Who gives a fuck about Thailand?

07:53:45.420 He's in fucking Tyrosh or some bullshit.

07:53:48.040 It's fucking upsetting me.

07:53:49.340 Very upsetting.

07:53:50.420 Let me tell you this much.

07:53:52.100 I'll tell you this much.

07:53:53.120 And he...

07:53:53.420 What?

07:53:53.640 His fucking love prospect is some fucking trans YouTuber?

07:53:57.400 What the fuck?

07:53:57.880 Jive Anik donated $30.

07:54:00.300 It was so bad I went from generic conservative libertarian cringe-like yellow shirt to full-on

07:54:06.520 culture war crucible killed.

07:54:08.280 Brian, the fake Italian-American accent is offensive.

07:54:12.340 Fucking cancelled.

07:54:13.960 Oh!

07:54:14.460 Oh!

07:54:15.540 I don't like that kind of talk.

07:54:19.760 Fucking Giovanni.

07:54:21.940 I am Italian.

07:54:23.700 I can do it.

07:54:24.580 It's okay.

07:54:25.880 So anyways.

07:54:27.600 Oh, get this right.

07:54:28.980 This is the fucking bullshit.

07:54:30.480 Ten minutes.

07:54:32.000 Ten fucking minutes they spend developing a fucking side quest for Thailand fucking Lannister.

07:54:39.640 It's bullshit.

07:54:40.500 Okay?

07:54:40.800 I'll tell you one.

07:54:41.520 I'll tell you one.

07:54:42.240 I'll tell you one.

07:54:42.680 Is this cringe?

07:54:43.440 Is this cringe?

07:54:43.920 Is the voice cringe?

07:54:44.700 I don't know.

07:54:46.200 Okay, fine.

07:54:46.860 I'll go back to my normal speaking voice.

07:54:48.320 They could have dedicated ten minutes to like, and remove a few other things, to actually

07:54:55.880 putting a bit of action in the finale, do a war, do some sort of battle, but instead

07:55:01.820 we get Thailand, a relevant Thailand side quest, flirting with like a veneer-having pirate

07:55:12.020 woman, and they mud-wrestled, bro.

07:55:15.120 There was a mud-wrestling scene.

07:55:17.040 They could have put that budget towards an actual battle, but there was a fucking mud-wrestling

07:55:23.600 scene with, I'm not saying this to attack, it's like a woman, but it's like a trans

07:55:29.620 man.

07:55:31.440 What did that have to do with the mud?

07:55:33.660 The character.

07:55:37.920 That's.

07:55:38.860 What?

07:55:39.380 The whole scene you're describing is, I'm doing a lot of mental gymnastics.

07:55:43.360 I don't know.

07:55:43.800 Just putting a picture in my head.

07:55:44.440 I'm, I'm just confused, like what, like, I'm not, it's not, I'm just confused by the

07:55:49.220 whole thing.

07:55:50.100 You seem very passionate about this topic.

07:55:52.880 I like, I'm a big Game of Thrones fan.

07:55:55.020 I can see this.

07:55:56.300 And I'm just confused.

07:55:57.960 I'm very, very passionate.

07:56:00.780 Okay, we're gonna wrap this show then.

07:56:03.420 Sorry, I had to get, I, it, it pissed me off, okay?

07:56:06.640 I was upset.

07:56:07.220 I needed, I needed to, I needed to get something off my chest, okay, guys?

07:56:14.740 You needed the yap.

07:56:16.080 I was, it was a moment of vulnerability.

07:56:20.260 I needed to get it off my, my chest, okay?

07:56:25.840 Okay.

07:56:26.240 We're gonna, let me do a quick Twitch raid, and then we'll wrap the show.

07:56:32.700 Who's streaming?

07:56:36.200 We're not gonna be able to pull it up.

07:56:37.520 I'm just, those of you who are watching on Twitch, I'm gonna raid Ampy.

07:56:40.480 He's playing World of Warcraft.

07:56:42.940 Oh, he's just like farming for, hold on, let me see if there's somebody else.

07:56:46.680 Oh, fuck it off, I'll raid Ampy.

07:56:51.540 Let's see here.

07:56:53.940 Okay, we're all caught up on chats.

07:56:56.040 Matthew Harder.

07:56:57.080 Okay, Andrew, I'm gonna throw the bear argument back at you.

07:56:58.940 If you're stuck in the woods with a grizzly bear, giant hairy gay man, also called a bear,

07:57:02.520 what would you choose?

07:57:03.340 I'd still choose the gay man.

07:57:04.660 Lol Paladin's donated $30.

07:57:07.320 Really got to fill out that eight hour runtime, don't you?

07:57:10.240 Oh, I gotta wrap them.

07:57:11.440 I don't want to say that.

07:57:13.040 I don't know.

07:57:13.620 If I had to choose between two Predator, I don't know.

07:57:16.680 All right, guys, like the video on your way out.

07:57:20.380 Follow us, I'm not able to pull it up, but twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:57:23.280 If you're watching on Twitch, drop us a follow.

07:57:25.820 If you're watching on YouTube, open up another tab, twitch.tv slash whatever, drop us a follow.

07:57:30.200 And then if you have a Prime sub, see if it's one's available, if you can drop a Prime sub.

07:57:35.340 And then I think that's pretty much it, guys.

07:57:39.360 GG, well played to the panel.

07:57:41.440 Wait, final call to action.

07:57:44.200 Can we get you to stop doing sex work?

07:57:46.820 No.

07:57:47.260 Okay, anyways, GG, well played to the panel.

07:57:50.900 Last, can you scoot into the frame?

07:57:52.460 Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.

07:57:54.240 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

07:57:55.500 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.

07:57:58.700 I appreciate that.

07:57:59.560 Thank you to everyone who super chat, donate, supports the show.

07:58:01.400 We will be live again tomorrow.

07:58:03.320 We're doing a debate.

07:58:03.960 Assuming they don't flake out like cowards, we're going to be doing a debate.

07:58:09.160 Then we'll be back Sunday with our dating talk.

07:58:11.040 Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.

07:58:13.460 If you can make it to Santa Barbara, 07's in the chat.

07:58:16.280 07's in the chat.

07:58:17.280 I hope you guys have a good night.

07:58:18.200 Let me do the raid over there on Twitch.

07:58:21.380 We're going to raid Ampy.

07:58:22.380 He's playing World of Warcraft Classic.

07:58:25.420 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

07:58:27.080 Raid sent.

07:58:28.220 And then, oh, hold on, sorry.

07:58:29.980 Did not get sent.

07:58:31.680 One sec, guys, sorry.

07:58:33.320 Let me make sure he gets the raid here.

07:58:35.940 And then, yeah, that was everything.

07:58:41.560 Yep, everything, okay.

07:58:43.080 All right, and then, no, we're wrapping, boys.

07:58:47.200 Okay, 07's in the chat.

07:58:49.300 I hope you guys have a very good night.

07:58:52.000 Oldman Marine donated $30.

07:58:53.800 Hot D's okay.

07:58:55.980 Still means nothing since God ending his dog shite.

07:58:59.820 Arya kills the Night King, so what's the point of any Targaryen and the damn prophesy?

07:59:05.140 It's salt on the wound.

07:59:07.600 That is true.

07:59:09.000 All those, well, I don't want to spoil anything from Hot D, but...

07:59:13.460 Fucking Game of Thrones, what it let down?

07:59:16.260 Okay, all right.

07:59:17.620 07 in the chat, guys.

07:59:19.220 I hope you guys have a good night.

07:59:20.560 And we, sorry, I have to do this manually here.

07:59:23.800 Uh, where is it?

07:59:25.920 Oh, okay.

07:59:26.700 Uh, 07's in the chat, guys.

07:59:28.060 I hope you guys have a really good night, and we'll see you tomorrow, and then dating talk on Sunday.

07:59:31.860 Good night, guys.

07:59:32.920 Good night.

07:59:33.420 Uh 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 3, 4.

07:59:34.440 1, 3, 2, 5.

07:59:35.820 Good night.

07:59:36.540 Good night.

07:59:36.780 Good night.

07:59:37.160 Good night.

07:59:37.380 And then 6, 6, 7, 6, 7, 6.

07:59:38.640 3, 5.

07:59:38.860 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 6.

07:59:39.900 4, 3, 7.

07:59:41.220 5, 7, 6, 7, 6, 7, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10.

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EARTHQUAKE？! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch？! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! ｜ Dating Talk #185

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