Elon Musk WATCHES Whatever？! Andrew Wilson! HEATED DEBATE With Liberal Feminist？! ｜ Dating Talk #140
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6 hours and 43 minutes
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174.99016
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Summary
In this episode of the Whatever Dating Talk podcast, we are joined by our co-hosts, Kiki of Sparta and Jasmine of Spartar, to discuss the growing issue of slavery in the dating world. We discuss what it means to be a slave in the modern dating world, and whether or not it's a good or bad thing.
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welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating
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uh we got a little love this weekend we had ellen musk reply to a tweet that had our video in it
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um i'll have nick pull that up in a sec and then trace cyrus who you might remember from a decade ago
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maybe over a decade ago his band metro station there his song shake it he's we might get him on
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the show we'll see but he he did a little instagram story for us that was very nice um super based he
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went viral a few months ago talking about of girls and whatnot gonna try to get him on the show um
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actually you know what before we'll do uh we'll have nick pull up the tweet uh from from ellen elon oh my god
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the first for you i don't think you can be sexist towards men and i don't think you can be racist
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towards white people how have you run yeah so all right somebody shared that it got uh eight million
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views then elon musk their respondent their literal origin of the word slave refer and we get into like
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you know she talks about slaves in that video so uh yeah that was a cool little moment he's on he's
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coming on the show on tuesday just kidding kidding um anyways disclaimer the views expressed by the
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guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever podcast by the way via discord since
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i brought it up we have andrew wilson joining us uh oh no it's okay nick so without further ado
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we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location so where
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you're from in occupation go ahead my name is jojo um location right now san diego um i'm a full-time
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student getting my master's in international affairs and then i twitch stream on the channel curb
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have been on the side you said you're from uh san diego well that's where you currently live do you
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go to uh ucsd or san diego state yes okay well you said you're in college and you live in san diego so
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i'm just by process of elimination okay okay and so um did you say age 25 25 are you getting your
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masters yeah masters in in what did you say international affairs okay what about you uh my
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name is esme i'm 28 i live in the inland empire i work in human resources and side job doing uh music
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festival reviews and you do fire breathing and i do fire breathing burlesque did you bring anything
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with you i mean what do we need do we need liquor and a lighter is that how it works no i mean unless
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you want to catch that beard on fire i'll pass uh but uh okay that's very cool um how long have you
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been doing the fire breathing uh fire breathing i want to say coming up on three years but fire
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performing or manipulating for uh quite some time have you ever burnt yourself oh yeah many times
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yeah is there any my eyelashes eyelashes yeah okay what about you hi my name's like uh do you do that
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like raves oh i adjust we need to do some audio adjustment um it's is there anything you can do
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andrew on your end to i'll take a i'll take a look but i'm getting a an echo i'm not sure why
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that's probably my room you might are you watching the stream andrew no no the echo's gone it sounds like
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it just it just comes up when i uh when i chime in so so you hear yourself speaking yeah yeah but
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only only for a second so are you streaming it's good now are you streaming or i am yeah okay you
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might there's probably maybe somebody in your chat might be able to help you there's probably some
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setting on discord that you might have switched on that can address the your echo that you're hearing
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of yourself um i don't i don't hear it anymore i think we have to reduce andrew's volume in discord
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so nick do you know how to you should see a volume button for you to play with
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um go ahead all right my name is malia i'm 27 years old i currently live in los andrews but i'm from
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carpinteria so nice and close okay um i work full-time at an only fans slash social media agency
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and then i'm also a twitch dreamer as well wait you work at the agency yes i don't do so you don't
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do oh no what's what do you do what do i do uh well we have a few models and you might like
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set them up with collaborations track their content promo stuff okay and you so you kind of
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help market them or yeah okay yeah yeah it's not just their only fans it might be instagram and stuff
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like that okay but you don't do any of stuff no okay what about you hello i'm malik underscore
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zero four i'm a full-time twitch dreamer a part-time clown um and i'm 24 years old
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from the appalachian mountains but i'm temporarily out here in la
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go ahead i'm michaela i'm a hairstylist and salon manager i'm 27 and i'm from atlanta georgia
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hi i'm bella i'm from las vegas i'm 21 and i'm currently a receptionist for a beverage distribution
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center welcome thank you my name is celeste i'm 26 i'm from huntington beach and i work in management
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my name is madison i'm 19 i'm originally from san diego but i currently reside in santa barbara i go
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to school i'm a student at santa barbara city college studying business and communication
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and i work in the whatever podcast and then we have our dear friend andrew wilson
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yeah my name is andrew wilson i am the host of the one and only crucible one of the fastest growing
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debate channels on the internet i appreciate uh brian having me on appreciate the whatever audience for
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coming out tonight and i appreciate the uh the girls for showing up uh nick were you able to lower
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his except malik except malik everybody else fuck you too andrew wait let's do a little troubleshooting
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on this nick can you just lower his volume significantly yeah and andrew can you recite
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the gettysburg address for us while we're doing some four score seven years ago boost it nick
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as we looked at this great nation or stuff happened and also things i think that's good
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i think that should be good um and i do want to bring it to the chat i want to ask the chat sorry
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guys you know it's uh when we do these call-ins there's some additional technical uh considerations
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to the viewers uh does his audio sounds good one in the chat if the audio sounds good there two in the
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chat if uh it needs some adjustments one in the chat sounds good two in the chat if we need a little
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bit of adjustment i'm seeing a bunch of ones so i think it's good um nick if you can keep an eye on
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the chat throughout the stream just see if there's any audience feedback is if he's too uh if it's too
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loud he's too low so we'll just uh we'll we'll see how it is throughout the course of the stream so
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going around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single
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talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship married polycule sex cult
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harem whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest
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relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead uh currently single haven't been in a
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relationship for around two years my longest relationship is four years
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so you was uh your last relationship the four-year relationship it's my only relationship
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you've been single for two years why did he dump you i broke up with him um but um it's because of
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distance and just how busy we got was it always long distance it was always long always yeah it
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started did it start i visited a friend in college and that's how i met her uh met him
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and then um what was the distance uh i lived at the time in washington state and he lived in
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sacramento it's pretty pretty far yeah what's the drive well i flew oh you'd fly okay uh why did you
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break up with him just the distance and then i started at ucsd and then uh we became like just way
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too busy okay good times cool what about you i'm divorced uh i've been separated since
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2018 2019 uh but we were together since which year 2018 2019 i don't know there's so much stuff that
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has happened since then when were you actually so you were separated when when were you got the
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divorce officially divorced 2021 okay wow that so you initiated the divorce in 2018 um no we were
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actually separated and um moved away kind of just forgot about the whole thing that sounds mean to
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say but um i guess the legal processes for divorces are pretty expensive so we just waited okay so you
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were divorced you got the actual divorce in 2021 you said right have you any dating it's tough dating
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after being married and today's day and age is really weird wait so okay you're 28 how long were you
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married um i was married in 2015 2015 yeah and how long were you together with him before you were
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married i was 18 so you were okay wait so i think it would have been from uh the age of 18 till the
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age of 25 so you guys met in 2014 we met in the end of 2013 but we didn't um really get together
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until so that's kind of one of the things a lot like because dating apps really kind of sprung around
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i think it was tinder kind of came into i think 2012 and then but so you've kind of missed the dating
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app apocalypse yeah i think so i have you since your separation have you i've i've tried to um but
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like i said the dating scene is really weird hookup culture is like a huge thing and um not really about
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it i feel like i get way too attached and that's just like not my style um and then on top of that
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people are they can't keep conversation on at least on dating apps and it's just like somebody replies
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and then like the conversation dies off within a day or two and then people don't reply they're like
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oh sorry i haven't been on for like two months um hi there again so i'm just like i'm over you
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okay convo we could that's actually an interesting um thing that we can talk about convo dies down
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later but okay so any any dating at all since the separation um serious dating no
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unserious dating um i guess like going on dates have you had a rebound has there been a rebound yes
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multiple rebounds no one rebound uh two rebounds yeah so okay so this is the thing no so this is
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the thing so uh i started dating this person when i was 18 right and so during my early 20s i was
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together with this one person and so afterwards coming out of a separation while one being young
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trying to find myself and like figure out who i am as an individual but really moving so i was in
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california moved to arizona and so i didn't know anybody and all i knew was that person and so my
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being was really a reflection of this one person that i was dating and so coming out of that i was
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like well i've never like participated in this hookup culture thing and my friends were like the best way
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to get over someone is to get under someone so i was like all right let's try it and then i tried it
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and i was like yeah that's not really for me um i felt like i got attached and then um they were just
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like you wake up in the morning and they're either like gone or you're done and with whatever it is that
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you're doing and then they're like all right i got stuff to do like get out and so that doesn't make
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me feel very good so i just like decide not to partake in said scene wait so would you would
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you say that you were trying to find yourself no are you sure yeah you weren't trying to find
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yourself i don't think that i was what i was trying to find myself i think it's been a lot
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easier to find myself now and like you know 25 to 28 now it's just i'm more like all right i know
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what i want i know what i don't want i know what i don't want to participate in and um hopefully
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that opinion keeps forever changing because we're forever evolving gotcha okay so you did a little
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bit of the hookup culture thing but didn't really work out no okay what about you we'll come back to
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some of this stuff i'm single i have been single for about two and a half years and my longest
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relationship was like three and a half three and a half all right what about you yeah i'm also single
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my only relationship uh was for two years and i've been single for three years
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um i'm currently in a two and a half year relationship and it's been my longest consistent
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one longest consistent one what's your longest on and off again relationship i think equivalent to
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like on for like a year off for like six months and back on so this is the longest okay yeah sure
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collectively what about you um i am currently in a relationship and my longest relationship
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was about four and a half years how long have you been in this current relationship um since october
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so a few months but we've been seeing each other since march of last year since so almost a year
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seeing each other but officially dating since october were you wait so you were like a situation ship
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prior to getting the official title yeah because we were long distance um okay yes still long
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distance no we live together now oh okay yeah huh were you dating other guys during that talking stage
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no i've whenever i'm talking to somebody i'm only talking to that one person so okay it was just me
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and him what about you i'm in a relationship and my longest relationship was on and off for about four
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years how long have you currently been uh in a relationship uh october as well so like four
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five months okay maddie what about you i'm in a relationship my current one is my longest it's a
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year and a half like tomorrow actually andrew what about you yeah i'm uh happily married and i have
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been for a long long time all right he's married cool good times how many years uh over a decade
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all right cool so let's see there's a couple things i wanted to touch on single single for both of
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you for two years you're for three years uh so when you say single what does that mean because i mean
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come on you guys you're all attractive girls right so there's some guys in the picture no no guys in
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the picture zero guys in the picture been on one day in the past two years wait hold on do we have
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no only fans none of you none not a single holy shit boys wow thank oh wow that's i think i'm
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your kind of semi i mean no i'm not i'm there well you don't you don't have of but you work for an
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agency but that you could be the plumber you could be the the janitor that doesn't mean i really still
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can't remember um not one only fans girl not one i know it's crazy right i mean i think we had one
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recently is this the is this the first brian no we've had we've had a fair amount of episodes
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without only fans girls but that's a w for the whatever podcast okay that's a conversation we were
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having but i'm like i have an of but it's not that kind of of of that's such a weird statement
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it's like okay so when you when people talk about only fan girls you think about like girls that do
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adult content but like so i have patreon of but it's not for adult content it's for like you have a
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patreon uh and she's on the site i'm on the site i just don't do adult content oh man disaster
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we can no longer claim that this is a no i was like i don't want to say so you uh you have an
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of but you post um they're like fire breathing videos what do you no not fire breathing they're
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uh video and photo sets um you've made money on the only fans yes but it's not like sexual in nature
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no okay all right she's not an only fan she's not no f girl or did you have something i was gonna
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say i've made money on only fans too oh it's not from my own content i did i used to cam when i was
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18 oh okay now the truth comes out all right so no it's like so i've i had faith in society i steered
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away long from that like long time ago you used to do web camming correct so like full blown just
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like camera up the hoo-ha oh boy no just looking right down the main screen no that's what camming
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is it's just like so no there's there's different there's different ranges of ranges of like camming
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right there's some girls that will go all like all out but then there's like topless and stuff like
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that what's even the point like as i just don't even see no like i just why would a guy watch oh that's
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like twitch streaming i guess kind of basically you're like it's like it's like twitch before
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twitch existed oh okay yeah cool all right all right um but okay so you guys are nude at all like
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topless yeah it's not twitch streaming let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's
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you can't stream hold down that's it just no no no no no crazy like you never it was only from here
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up i mean you were nude but you were like camera down there with oh so whatever yeah the truth is
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coming out yeah okay her tips have been online yes so y'all are single okay but when's the last time
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you went on a date with a guy i've only been on one date that's not my boyfriend in my life
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okay so i think we need to define date though because a girl will like i've never had a private
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dinner or any of that hung out privately with a guy and like because in all my life other than like
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for example a girl will like go over to a guy's house they'll have dinner at his house they'll fuck
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she's not going to call that a date that's weird is this the first time they're meeting
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yeah it could be the first time they're meeting that's just why would you go over to someone's house
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right but like you'll that's like going beyond a date in my view but you won't consider it a date
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so like oh when's the last you're not really dating but you're fucking other men yeah i don't think
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that's a date so nope none of that nothing you've been on was this before your for your relationship
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no it was after so in your two years of being single yes are you bi no why are you a recluse and a
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permit that's crazy is it facts though is it true somewhat yes okay and you live in san diego i mean
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that's a pretty populous area so yeah a lot of hot surfer dudes san diego what's what's the deal
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um i just think like because it's kind of right now pointless to me just because i'm so busy that i
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don't feel like i i it's a terrible excuse and everyone's gonna say that but i just don't think
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i can give the kind of attention and like the emotional attachment on all that to a relationship
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that i'm like what's the point of attempting what's the point of what of attempting or like
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going on dates and things if i can't you want kids one day one day you want to have a life partner
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get married yeah but okay but at this point that's the point that would be the point
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are you doing the i'm focusing on my career thing um well i'm again full-time student so like i would
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like to graduate and be at a point where i know you could do both that one it's okay but like
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but like um i i'm not even sure i'm gonna continue reciting in um san diego right so like if i enter
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i don't want another long distance relationship gotcha um well i was just curious how much longer
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do you have of school i graduate june oh so not so not very much longer yep are you gonna you think
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you're gonna try to settle down after that or are you gonna be pretty career oriented do you think
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i think i'm gonna start going on dates after june
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that's the goal okay wait andrew can we have you you're um a little off center am i red
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i look fucking red in this yeah just a little bit chat yo chat one in the chat do i look red
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we i think our camera settings are all scuffed um he's got some sun yeah i was uh i was yeah i
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got a little sunburned he was surfing i just got some sunburn um perfect andrew um okay so what
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about you you've been single for two years i've been single for two years i've been celibate for
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a year and a half not for any particular reason a year and a half yeah just don't do much i've been
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on like one day i don't know i don't get outside a lot you don't get recluse as well we like play
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games and stream we don't they often who's we we're friends sorry you guys like yeah okay uh so
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you don't that's you guys full-time streamers no no but then i work from home so and i'm not are
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you guys on dating apps no i'm on them i'm not very good at them which ones are you on all of them
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tinder bumble oh not tinder bumble and hinge yeah farmers only yeah christian mingle of course
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every single one uh so how often do you check your dating apps every day every day yeah i just uh so
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you i mean you're attractive girl i'm sure you get a lot of matches yeah i do i do and are guys asking
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you on dates yeah and you're saying no yeah well dating is like weird in la it's not an enjoyable
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experience to be honest i've gone like i don't know it never goes anywhere i also i don't know i
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don't want to go on pointless dates really it never goes anywhere just hang out well no oh you'd rather
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just hang out what do you mean you'd rather just hang out i'd rather like i could go on a date
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or i could just sit at home oh okay i thought you meant like hang out with a god i'm open
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to going on dates i just nothing's happened nothing's happened how much time a day do you
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spend on a dating app 20 minutes 30 minutes oh yeah just one night like 10 minutes maybe okay killing
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time okay so why are you just curving all these dudes on dating apps like why be on the date like
00:27:25.040
because you said you've been celibate for a year and a half in that year have you been on dating apps
00:27:29.020
for that entire time period no when did you download the dating apps um i well i was banned
00:27:35.420
for quite some time i just got a new phone so i got unbanned that's a red flag but why no it wasn't
00:27:41.900
they didn't believe that it was me because i don't reply you got banned for not replying for not being
00:27:47.420
me it was a fake person but it was me i just don't check it very like what so it happens to girls all
00:27:54.120
the time where like they're like this is a fake profile but it was me i just oh but you got
00:27:58.300
unbanned in any case yes was it what chap was that that you got banned on i've been banned on every
00:28:03.000
single one like tinder i can't get on at all you're there's no okay you're trolling on the apps
00:28:06.780
probably maybe i don't know you're probably like i am like no you're probably sending like kind of
00:28:11.600
facetious messages no it's getting reported you're not replying to any guys they're reporting
00:28:17.900
that's what i think that what happens like i match and then i kind of forget about the app for a little
00:28:22.060
bit and okay so how long have you been not banned on them dating i've been active on them for
00:28:30.260
maybe the past four months past four months okay
00:28:34.260
nothing in four not one prospect in four months oh no the one date i went on was in december so
00:28:41.720
oh okay it was it was one date yeah it wasn't it didn't go anywhere did it no second date why didn't
00:28:47.760
why it wasn't there a second date he never reached back out to me did you reach back out to him yeah
00:28:52.940
so okay you went on the date what how did that conversation it was one sec salubry and carvar
00:29:02.520
donated one hundred dollars as always maddie is the only ten at the table i would ask frankie's
00:29:09.340
d just to taste that sweet pea no homo of course brian when is sofia coming back she was a breast of
00:29:17.440
fresh air breast uh maddie do you want to respond first no okay uh i don't know who so that we've
00:29:30.360
had a lot of sophia's it's all they're all a blur to me um was it sophie or sophia i don't know um
00:29:39.500
you'd have to give me details on who that is if it is who i think it is no she's not coming back on
00:29:45.900
the show um but uh okay so how did that convo go well he was like oh it was so nice to hang out and
00:29:53.620
then he was out of town for a month and it just kind of fell off it was a good date it was a fine
00:29:58.660
date i think he got back with his ex-girlfriend to be honest ah good time because it was like
00:30:03.380
kind of weird good times how many matches do you think you've had on the dating apps
00:30:08.300
a good amount how many do you think you've had ever in my life uh let's just say the past four
00:30:14.480
months since you've been unbanned um over a thousand matches no matches yeah no maybe like
00:30:21.440
30 only 30 yeah well i don't what okay so you know when you're swiping right yeah what like
00:30:27.980
per hundred men you see on the apps how many do you swipe yes on um
00:30:33.900
normally because i like hinge i normally just go through who's liked me
00:30:41.100
it's a little bit less time consuming yeah and you also don't have to face rejection yeah well they
00:30:46.660
don't tell you you've been rejected i just assume they deleted the account so okay you just pick
00:30:51.560
amongst the men who have already yeah usually sent to like yeah so of the men who like you how much do
00:30:58.360
you pick them um so you get 10 matches how many depends like how's it looking that two of them
00:31:08.540
three of them yeah maybe how many do you get per day per day how many matches do you get per day
00:31:13.040
matches per day not a lot how many like maybe two or one or one okay yeah so let's say in a week
00:31:23.000
you get 10 how many do you match end up matching with by clicking yes how many do i match with that's
00:31:30.220
what i'm saying like one i only like will match with one no no but so how many sorry so how many
00:31:35.160
send you likes per day of a decent amount probably depends on the day how many on average on average
00:31:44.800
yeah that's what i meant not how many you like match up with how many like you um well bumble i
00:31:50.860
have no idea but usually on hinge i'll wake up with like 20 or 30 okay so of the 20 to 30 that you
00:31:58.720
receive per day how many do you choose to match with well i think you said it was one like one yeah
00:32:03.080
so one out of 30 guys are suitable for you to never go on a date with no no it's not it's not
00:32:10.220
that they're not suitable i think i just have like a really particular type and the type of guy i
00:32:14.920
like doesn't really like me that's interesting what is your type like nerdy guys you like nerdy
00:32:20.580
guys i'm sure there's nerdy guys there's plenty of nerdy guys on hinge i don't know they show me
00:32:24.420
really like surfer hot guys which is great i like looking at them what is a nerdy guy what does
00:32:29.620
that mean like he's he's uh an engineer or are you talking like an anime waifu like that type of
00:32:37.000
shit um an engineer would be awesome also an anime nerd would be awesome too okay so just broad nerd
00:32:43.620
yeah just someone they can fit into the various yeah usually like uh like gamer type vibes but
00:32:49.480
gamer type vibes yeah you guys are on twitch how are you not finding i'm sure there's like gamer
00:32:54.140
dudes i'm so i think maybe i'm the problem yeah i don't think there's like a lack of there's
00:32:59.220
self-awareness so the guys you like don't like you so nerdy guys don't like you why do you think that
00:33:04.120
is oh i don't know you don't know well i don't it's not are you a nerdy girl sorry i didn't mean to
00:33:10.620
cut you off no it's okay um am i a nerdy girl i think so i think i'm not really like self-aware
00:33:17.220
if somebody likes me and so maybe there's people that show interest like also this is just a thing
00:33:23.340
in my head but my first two boyfriends were from dating apps and like that didn't work out so i'm
00:33:27.320
kind of like would prefer to meet someone in person um okay it's just like so how are you gonna meet a
00:33:34.220
nerd in person that's very true twitchcon or something yeah i gotta hit up the cons i guess
00:33:40.900
yeah so your type is nerdy yeah nerdy guy do you have is there a like a celebrity that you can think
00:33:47.540
of that fits the arc arc arc type um of what you consider like a nerdy like a celebrity yeah i would
00:33:56.140
say like like other nerdy celebrities like xqc like that kind of like xqc discord like oh okay pull up
00:34:02.460
his instagram pull up his instagram oh god no nick pull up his instagram wait this is public
00:34:07.480
actually i'm gonna send him i've been i've messaged with him on twitter i'm gonna take a video with you
00:34:14.920
and i'm gonna put in a matchmaker here yeah just pull up his instagram we're gonna have the girls
00:34:21.380
we're gonna go around the girl i want the and we definitely want andrew wilson's input here
00:34:25.680
on would you date xqc starting with her if you just whenever you can pull it up i mean i know what
00:34:31.320
he looks like i i could say well you know just just for the stream they might not know
00:34:45.160
you're gonna have to make it smaller put us on the other side
00:34:51.020
all right so this is executing no no i mean the camera all right so actually probably make make the
00:35:02.060
yeah that's fine all right guys this is uh felix he's uh you know male scroll down
00:35:12.300
he's a male he's male he is man he's a good guy he's canadian speaks french he's got a cat
00:35:21.460
um and takes a lot of selfies he's a streamer he's got it all around good dude okay there he is
00:35:30.980
uh would you uh would you know what are you interested in him he's pretty hyperactive and i kind of like
00:35:37.960
that so yeah probably you like i like them with adhd yeah i mean i think so i think it's like it's a nice
00:35:44.560
um it keeps it exciting your brain's always trying to follow their train of thought okay so you want
00:35:51.320
the chaos basically yes you're attracted to the chaos okay what about you uh sure i it looked like
00:35:57.100
he there was a picture like the third picture on the top of his profile looked like they were playing
00:36:01.660
soccer or something soccer cats and dyed hair he can match my hair so yeah okay well
00:36:08.640
yes but he's a little too clouded that might be kind of a nightmare
00:36:17.720
why look at his ex-girlfriend now i don't want to end up like
00:36:22.340
what what kind of uh what kind of content do you make on twitch
00:36:26.100
wait hold on just before we do we do that let's get everyone's reaction to the
00:36:30.780
yeah i i like excuses energy i think he's a very hyper person i'm also a very hyper person
00:36:36.180
i also um think it's funny how he chooses his own toenails often live um i think it's quirky i think
00:36:43.120
it's funny most people think that's gross um i think i think it's cute but
00:36:47.520
what makes it cute wait how it's just random as fuck and i'm a very random person and yes
00:36:54.880
that's that's kind of nasty and if we're together i would not
00:36:58.180
so just continue going around the table i need to get up really quick and then
00:37:02.720
i'll have andrew jump in with his uh if you had any questions or anything
00:37:06.020
um that's the first time i've ever seen him so based on looks i would
00:37:11.200
but i'd probably give him a haircut just a little bit yeah i feel like that's the first time i've seen
00:37:17.180
him too and i'm gonna say flat answer no yeah that's a no for me as well
00:37:23.020
high standards high standards he's multi-millionaire
00:37:27.560
i don't think i would say just throwing that out there i mean it's really hard to judge people just
00:37:33.420
off of looks because like you were saying i feel like you could like the image of a nerdy guy but
00:37:39.520
also nerdy guys when you i don't i think you said like maybe they don't like you or something like
00:37:44.340
i feel like you look like you could be someone that's like super extroverted and like outgoing
00:37:48.540
talkative but like when you meet you in person like you're pretty chill and mellow
00:37:53.120
yeah that's true so that's do you think that they think you're out of their league
00:37:57.780
i hope not are nerdy guys really on dating apps like that though yeah yeah really yeah i'm sure
00:38:05.680
there are i also think it's kind of hard like to do the communication back and forth like two people
00:38:10.540
that are quite like shy especially like because somebody has to put in the effort and usually just
00:38:14.960
kind of like somebody mentioned early dwindles down like it just kind of goes nowhere it's like
00:38:19.680
very much my experience yeah i agree i also what kind of uh what kind of content do you make on twitch
00:38:24.320
um just hot tub streaming writing blow up animals i'm just kidding no i i'm saying i'm kidding i'm
00:38:32.300
yeah it's mouth taps all that yeah eating your toenails yeah yeah whatever the people want to see
00:38:40.460
really no it's just chatting i'm i'm a really casual streamer i stream like twice a week maybe
00:38:45.680
a few hours just talking do you play video games any of that stuff uh i used to play video games a lot
00:38:52.240
but i got really annoyed with everyone wanting to like join the game like everyone's like can i join
00:38:58.900
i'm like no dude i want to play without you you're gonna bring me gotcha well the reason the reason i'm
00:39:04.260
curious is if you were let's say trying to grow your following over on twitch you would say that
00:39:10.680
you were into nerdy guys who were gamers especially if you were doing gaming content right yes i think
00:39:17.000
i was just i was just curious yeah no i agree i think that that would make sense i also think it would
00:39:22.740
just you like people who like the same things that you like typically um but i also do have a pretty
00:39:28.600
wide range like i'm not strictly if someone's a gamer going to be like wait you don't game freak
00:39:33.500
don't talk to me would you would you say that you're maybe interested in somebody who's more
00:39:37.600
introverted than someone who's like super outgoing me i don't know i think it just depends on the
00:39:50.680
person are you a homebody or no oh yeah yeah yeah so would you be okay with dating someone who's not
00:39:55.800
a homebody like someone who would take you out probably be for the best honestly oh get me outside
00:40:00.000
yeah as long as you're open to it yeah it's not it's i don't think that i would have like a hard
00:40:04.580
time dating i think i've just kind of been like dismissive of it i haven't like put too much effort
00:40:10.100
into it um but i definitely like why waste your time yeah it wouldn't necessarily be a waste either
00:40:15.600
i just feel like i've been just haven't done it i don't know it's like if i met someone yeah agree
00:40:21.720
that la is probably not the yeah the best place to date people to pick people from but yeah the few
00:40:28.300
dates i've been on have been like pretty nightmare so i've just i'm good i want to hear more yeah
00:40:34.360
no just like like talking to a wall it seems sometimes really they just like want to talk
00:40:39.960
about every celebrity that they've ever met and how much money they make and yeah i was actually
00:40:44.620
gonna ask a question do you feel like maybe it's just based off of like location that maybe you're not
00:40:49.200
finding the people that maybe you are better suited for do you think it's more so just the way online
00:40:55.140
dating is right now potentially i also think like i could definitely be more active on it like i could
00:40:59.580
put more effort into it it's not it's me right like i'm the problem there you go all right uh actually
00:41:09.400
going around the table on this are your parents still together yes for like 30 years ago
00:41:17.380
oops go ahead yes for a really long time no they were never together no yes for yeah long time yeah
00:41:26.540
for 30 years i think no my mom is deceased but yes they were together okay and yes mine were also
00:41:35.080
together and ours still together andrew could we are you able to scoot your chair a little bit we want
00:41:41.060
to try to keep center you again um if you can sorry my ocd is fucking kicking in um that better
00:41:47.300
that better right perfect perfect thank you thank you uh cool okay so let's see oh we're gonna here's
00:41:55.660
where we're gonna start right so some of you have maybe seen the show before maybe you've seen a clip
00:42:02.120
of andrew maybe you've seen a clip of madison and you disagree with something so we want to start off
00:42:08.020
with does anybody here disagree with anything i've said andrew andrew has said madison has said
00:42:14.960
i've said nick has said whatever it may be that you've seen a clip or you've seen about the show
00:42:23.460
i got a few take out your notebook go ahead oh i'm trying to think of the ones i actually said in
00:42:31.460
messaging one of them being i'm very curious why you keep your body count a secret but then
00:42:37.680
you kind of pester sometimes not all the time other people to share that information i don't
00:42:43.320
think i pester sometimes pester has a very specific specific definition yeah i'll usually
00:42:49.680
so for example i might say someone might hesitate to want to reveal the actual body count and i might
00:42:56.320
for example say how about a range and then i might for example if they refuse a range i might say well
00:43:02.620
is it over or under x number less than 10 more than 10 and if they do not want to even answer
00:43:09.700
that i'll typically relent and uh relent in the pestering as you might say and that's the extent
00:43:16.240
of it typically i've seen them say like single digits and you're like okay so nine oh i do
00:43:22.600
i got multiply it by three and that's the real number i play that all the time
00:43:27.640
i feel like that alone though makes you like makes the girls want to reveal it more because they're
00:43:33.200
like no it's not that high it's not a nine it's three oh i don't think maybe it's possible wait nick
00:43:38.860
did you lower the total audio what's the audio for no no no no no just the audio what's the level at
00:43:50.540
what is the level at oh oh that's weird i don't know my stream deck's low anyways um that's it
00:43:59.980
well so i'm curious why i don't reveal i don't reveal my body count i mean i have a lot but yeah
00:44:03.960
that's one okay well oh saved andrew donated 100 i love the podcast it's very interesting to hear
00:44:14.520
the perspectives of different people from different parts of the country andrew is a chad because i'm a
00:44:20.140
chad and brian you're an amazing host ly to matt i'm all right thank you andrew appreciate it the
00:44:26.300
league of andrews continues to win there it is the league of andrews wait nick uh scroll up in the
00:44:31.900
sources on obs here just hit the arrow next to the overlay folder so it just hides all that it'll make
00:44:38.920
it easier um so oh to answer your question well i think body count matters so i'm not gonna reveal
00:44:46.800
it for that reason i was gonna say also i think you direct that towards girls who would come on the
00:44:52.340
say and say come on the show and say that body count doesn't matter yeah i typically typically that
00:44:58.260
question tends to be asked all in response to uh women saying that they think body count doesn't
00:45:04.660
matter social construct doesn't matter but then they have a quite a bit of hesitation when it comes
00:45:09.800
to revealing their own body count which to me would indicate that they actually do think it matters
00:45:14.220
well it's more like because you are going to reveal it to your partner right you're going to
00:45:19.520
reveal the body count at some point so it's already going to be out there if you're like trying to
00:45:23.180
hide that number because potentially you're scared that your significant other is going to judge you
00:45:29.300
but then you're going to reveal it when are you talking about me or people in general i'm just
00:45:34.540
talking about you in general because if you're trying to talk to a girl and date her you're going to
00:45:38.620
probably reveal that information sure so it's already out there she's going to tell everyone
00:45:43.680
well no like it's already out there as in like might as well reveal you're not trying to talk to
00:45:49.660
any of your audience or the girls who come on like that right what do you mean i don't i'm not she's
00:45:56.400
implying if you're trying to date any of you he's not that's that's a bit of a stretch if that's the
00:46:01.660
implication no no i'm saying like do you think that the only people who are aware of this conversation
00:46:07.180
are the people that are sitting at this table right now well that's why i said your audience
00:46:10.720
but it's just right but i'm out there in the ether i'm out there in the public so whatever i any
00:46:17.420
statements that i make on this podcast are accessible to a great many people whether they're
00:46:22.720
potential romantic partners business partners whatever it may be but you're going to tell a girl
00:46:28.800
either way if she if she asked me sure so you're saying that somebody's going to leak his body count
00:46:33.480
well it doesn't matter is my point because she's going to find out either way
00:46:36.820
oh like the like for future partners yeah yeah it's better to disclose to a partner than a bunch
00:46:42.640
of than half a million yeah you know it's uh plus i need to be a little i need to have uh an air of
00:46:49.800
mystery about you know i can't they can't the viewers can't think you know that certain things
00:46:55.960
about me so whatever podcast uh body count i've never revealed it i've never revealed it um
00:47:03.240
is that it is that the the what else what else you got what else you got you said you disagreed
00:47:09.480
about everything i didn't say everything let me look let me look i said most things okay you
00:47:16.360
disagreed about most things let me just see uh wait hold on
00:47:21.740
okay yeah you mentioned that the body count thing you said that you disagree with the women
00:47:29.720
only dating up comment yeah okay what do you mean well i don't think women only date up i think it's
00:47:34.860
plain and simple well hypergamy is just the rule in general like if you i don't i don't recall the
00:47:41.060
exact uh the exact number but women for example overwhelmingly i think it's like 93 percent of
00:47:46.980
women uh date men who earn more than them yeah but i you are generalizing i just i just don't think
00:47:53.600
it's true though you don't think yeah but it's um hypergamy is the rule it's a general statement
00:47:58.540
right so hyper when we're talking about hypergamy you're not saying all uh nothing exists inside of
00:48:04.220
a monolith there's always going to be exceptions to every rule it's the exception that proves the rule
00:48:09.060
in this case so like if i were to ask you if all things were equal let's assume for a second you had
00:48:14.680
two perfect clones one man uh you you like the personality in other words and it was perfect clone but
00:48:21.580
one of the clones had millions of dollars and lots of really nice shit and the other one didn't
00:48:26.340
wouldn't you pick the one that had the really nice shit and the million dollars but then that goes on
00:48:33.600
another level of like what mental they're at like are they also like not going all things are equal
00:48:39.100
they're the exact same the only distinction then how that one has a lot more shit than the other
00:48:43.940
that's donated 100 body count doesn't necessarily matter overall women just need to understand that
00:48:51.700
if you sacrifice your own body you don't qualify for a higher caliber man high status tall handsome
00:48:58.900
leader tall is crazy that's tall is crazy oh there's short kings out there that's rough
00:49:04.480
how tall are you pretty woman 5 8 yeah 5 8 do you have a high preference at all no no you did a guy
00:49:12.380
shorter than you i did my ex my one ex okay there you have it but did you guys want to continue with
00:49:20.320
yeah i yeah if you don't mind so i guess the the point is just to say that if the option is available
00:49:26.980
if you have two men who are roughly equal uh in your eyes as far as personality and things like this go
00:49:33.020
they're both pursuing you but one has an amount of resources which is far superior to the other
00:49:39.280
wouldn't you generally go with the one that has a lot more in the way of resources
00:49:43.040
of course yeah well i mean that's that's basically all the descriptor of hypergamy is is that
00:49:49.680
men don't differ particularly too much between man to man other than perhaps in looks height
00:49:55.900
differentials things like this but if you have them and they're close enough and one has a lot more
00:50:01.300
resources than another generally speaking women seem to go for the one that has more resources
00:50:07.560
i don't know because you said men are generally like similar right i that's kind of a crazy statement
00:50:18.540
why because that's not true like it depending on where you are in life and it's just your
00:50:24.600
surroundings and who you meet like i'm not going and seeking like seeking these really wealthy men or
00:50:30.240
looking for these wealthy men it's just who's who's around me right so like if it's we're not
00:50:34.640
saying that you are though the point isn't to say that you're actively seeking or gold digging there's
00:50:39.860
plenty of women who don't actively seek and gold dig the point is just to show that if the options are
00:50:46.800
available even if a man could maybe perhaps be uh i don't know slightly better on the personality
00:50:53.440
but just slightly less better looking and have more money than the alternative just saying that the
00:50:57.940
chances that the woman will go for the alternative becomes much higher well then doesn't that stand
00:51:02.640
to reason well there's vice versa if it's the same woman the same thing with a man like a man would
00:51:09.200
doesn't doesn't seem to necessarily be the same case for men so men men seem to not seek women out
00:51:15.580
specifically for resources or vice versa or i mean i'm whereas vice versa that does seem to be the case
00:51:21.560
is what i mean well let's let's pretend that it's old money let's say like i know there's a lot of
00:51:26.640
problems with certain like men where they're like oh i don't want a working woman let's pretend it's
00:51:31.140
old money and she inherited that and it's two of the exact same and one has tons of money and the
00:51:37.500
other doesn't would you you would also date the woman with tons of money you mean if all things
00:51:43.140
were equal all things are exact same woman yes yeah yeah sure um and i think every man would say that
00:51:48.560
that's true yeah but the point the the point here is the reason we start with all things equal is just
00:51:54.400
to break down okay you and i are in agreement that if there's resources which are added it does add
00:52:00.640
value right the distinction here for hypergamy is just to say that women seem to seek that value out
00:52:06.340
a lot more than men do that's the point just generally it's not always the case but it's just
00:52:11.620
generally the case but do you also start we still we start even i agree with you for men and women
00:52:16.520
that would that would matter to a degree just think it matters a lot more to women and this is what
00:52:21.860
we see in the data and the trends but do you think that that's trending downwards as like newer
00:52:26.880
generations no it seems not to be trending downwards as materialism trends upwards it seems that we have
00:52:34.040
more of this problem not less of this problem so i mean absent materialism if if men have lots of
00:52:42.060
resources and you can net a man who has lots of resources wouldn't that be your preference whereas
00:52:46.600
for men if you ask them that question they say some say yes but most say not really it's not really
00:52:52.420
the thing that they're after is resources mostly after things like beauty the ability to become a good
00:52:57.200
mother uh things like this they're not really after your resources so you're saying gen z gen alpha are
00:53:04.220
answering that answering what saying that they are still seeking out women who are good mothers and
00:53:12.420
beautiful that's still gen z gen alpha yeah well gen gen z is actually trends more conservative in the
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smaller percentile so yeah they do tend to answer that way interestingly enough as millennials get
00:53:24.380
older and their priorities change the same thing men seem to answer that way then as well
00:53:29.340
may i add something so i agree with the initial statement that women typically look for men that
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um kind of um kind of resources yeah exactly so but i think where you're coming from is that like if
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you were to typically ask any woman in this generation they're not going to say that outright
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um plus in the dating world there's not really typically a lot of oh there's not really typically a lot of
00:53:56.680
suitors that bring that to the table as far as resources go yeah that's why we have such a lopsided issue
00:54:04.500
which is that as as women are able to make a make more and more and more money especially in resident
00:54:10.920
fields like the medical field things like this uh men is the provider of resources this has actually
00:54:17.740
taken the market and flipped it on its head so now there's actually a lot less men who are desirable
00:54:23.260
from the biological trend of women so they're still looking for men who make higher resources but right
00:54:29.740
now women make a lot in the way of the marketplace when it comes to money homeownership there's actually
00:54:36.000
more homeowners who are single and there will be more homeowners who are married uh in just 10 years
00:54:42.440
who are women so that over men which is which is crazy so all that hypergamy is looking at is saying
00:54:50.120
listen one of the big problems in the dating market is as women's resources drastically increase
00:54:55.800
you start to see that uh the lopsided uh way that they pick men has moved to a smaller and smaller
00:55:03.420
percentage that's the point so wouldn't that kind of contradict itself that women since it's like it
00:55:10.560
flipped its side on its head now that grid one motorsports donated 100 seems simple men will not
00:55:18.420
leave hot poor women to date ugly rich women women will leave an attractive poor man to date ugly rich men
00:55:24.420
100 percent brian next time you need a remote input me in coach hey grid one good to see in the chat
00:55:31.980
man thank you for your uh tts appreciate it man uh grid one is awesome uh anyway what's the uh what's
00:55:38.040
the contradiction you see so that women like that you just said the market kind of flipped itself on its
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head so women are you know creating their own resources so now wouldn't that mean that women are not
00:55:51.720
seeking men for resources anymore because they still what's interesting about this trend is it
00:55:57.000
makes my point not yours which is that as the market flips itself on the head and women are able to
00:56:01.880
increase their resources they seem to be vying for a smaller pool of men who have more resources than they
00:56:07.780
have whereas men are not following that trend agreed i think women just naturally want the best so
00:56:13.920
they're just going to select the best dating options even if they are making a lot of money they're still
00:56:20.520
going to want men who make more money than them so no matter what they're just going to select the
00:56:25.820
man who has the most resources add something to that too i feel like a major trend too is you have a lot
00:56:30.600
of um well i would say more of like a sub part especially on social media instagram tiktok those types of
00:56:37.060
things where you have really strong women and they'll talk a lot of game about you know i want a partner to
00:56:44.620
match my lifestyle and so you'll see a lot of the women that are you know part of that top percent
00:56:50.500
of you know wealthy women or educated women whatever you would like to put it as um kind of
00:56:56.580
living that life with those types of men versus like okay well you know i found this guy in my
00:57:01.500
little hometown even though i'm super wealthy and he's just a good guy but i'm gonna give it a chance
00:57:05.440
even though i'm kind of picking him up um i feel like you see the offset side of that more often than
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not right they're not dating down is what you're saying yeah exactly down that's the whole and that's
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the whole point and yeah that's kind of the the push for what is talked about when we're talking
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about hypergamy and saying women aren't dating down the trends don't show that they're dating down
00:57:26.520
one of the big reasons that they say that they get divorced is because they no longer feel equally
00:57:30.820
yoked they're just they don't date down generally and it's not always the case right you're right
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nothing exists in a monolith you can always point to exceptions but the exceptions are what make that
00:57:41.220
rule true the statistics on divorce is like 73 percent of divorces are initiated because of
00:57:47.020
cheating what no yeah that's a huge percentage that's incorrect it's due to irreconcilable
00:57:53.620
differences cheating is number three on the list well that is one of the differences
00:57:58.920
i don't understand what your what your point is yeah what how is cheating involved
00:58:05.240
they don't want to put it on paper um because i mean the original thing was you objected to this
00:58:11.080
idea that women tend to date up well i i was interjecting the point because he the statistics
00:58:16.260
were like over 70 percent or it's because of cheating that's what no let's assume it is though
00:58:21.460
let's assume it is how is it relevant at all because of his initial point about what he just said about
00:58:27.180
divorce that he but but the original conversation was about women women having a tendency to date up
00:58:34.340
let's just uh i see i think i know what she's saying let me let me make sure i can get this
00:58:38.540
just be as maximum charitable as i can be you're saying that you think that there's an alternative
00:58:43.440
reason why divorces could be happening other than men and women being equally yoked that's that's that's
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what you're saying that he brought up the point of divorce so i i read divorce statistics recently
00:58:55.280
because of the show it comes up a lot yeah okay yeah but just just so you understand even if it were true
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that um let's say the number one reason that uh divorces were happening is because men cheat that's
00:59:08.600
not true by the way but even if it was that still wouldn't change the fact that men or that women tend
00:59:14.760
to not date down and that in in the case of divorce even if i were to yield that to you all other trends
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would still show that women tend not to date down i think you made a made a good point about women
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getting more and more resources for themselves as they have more opportunities and i think that's
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why newer generations would probably show eventually that they there is more dating down because
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like you said if we're all in a pool that keeps trying to date up like i'm just confused how that
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would work as a society well let me explain how it works so that you know hang on i can explain this
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to you so that you know this is the big problem this is why the what is called the red pill exists
00:59:55.480
is because of this central keynote problem that you uh put in front of us right now which is
01:00:01.200
what happens when there's only a small amount of men who have enough resources to basically be above
01:00:09.040
women in this respect well what happens is all of the women start competing for that small amount of
01:00:14.540
men and if they can't get one by about age 30 or 34 they tend to settle down at that point and if
01:00:22.020
they settle down at that point they can't have nearly as many children and generally speaking
01:00:26.520
they have lived a promiscuous lifestyle not always i'm just saying again we're talking in
01:00:31.140
generalities and that's what happens that's why you have such a cultural societal trend that is so
01:00:36.940
messed up right now they the actual existence of what is considered the red pill on the dating
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market is exactly a response to this question that you currently ask can i and i kind of to
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piggyback on that too i feel like there was a segment on an episode a while ago um where the
01:00:54.240
conversation kind of came up where it was about um girls dating the hot guy or getting with him or
01:01:00.920
fucking him or whatever and he doesn't really have to do anything but the nice guy comes along and say
01:01:05.920
he's just kind of average whatever she'll settle i guess you could say because that
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jay ekin donated one hundred dollars with women dating up here's an example 50 shades of gray is
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only romantic because the guy's a billionaire if he was living in a trailer it'd be a criminal
01:01:24.920
minds episode hello well put jay well put i mean he's not he's not lying there was a movie years ago
01:01:33.060
with demi moore called indecent proposal anybody ever seen indecent proposal well there's inside of them
01:01:39.520
yeah inside of the movie a rich billionaire approaches a married couple who wants to sleep
01:01:43.740
with the wife and so offers a million dollars to sleep with the wife what of course made the
01:01:50.100
movie interesting is because again that was exploring this problem of what will the woman
01:01:55.700
trade up and in the movie she did in the movie she did trade up so yeah there's uh there's a
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little bit of wisdom to that super chat to be honest with you you add something really quick
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and then i'm gonna chime in go ahead yeah so what i was saying is it kind of relates to this almost
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because it's you have a lot of girls who will get with the really you know wealthy guy hot guy
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whatever whatever and obviously if she's not up to his certain type of standard or maybe she's not
01:02:22.340
yoked with him at that point um most of the time if she gets kind of kicked off or ghosted or whatever
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there's always that chance she finds the guy who comes along who will pick her up just enough where
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it's she's not scraping by and she'll settle and i feel like that's kind of like i would say her
01:02:41.220
version of well i was dating up i'm dating up and then it's the settling point which i would say would
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lead to more like divorce rates because they're not happy they didn't essentially get what they
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wanted in the end so that's kind of from what i've seen from personal experience of seeing those
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types of situations and the trends so wait to bring it back your position is essentially broadly
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speaking women are not really interested in dating up is that like can you restate your position it
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was more that i think that's just not true like i don't think what's not true all we i don't think
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they date up because in general i think newer generations can i add let me ask you uh let me ask
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you a question if you don't mind the average age according to the u.s census bureau for marriage is
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approximately 30.5 years old for women in general why do you think that is wait prioritize discord
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i'm guessing you're gonna say because they tried to date up and it didn't work out right that's your
01:03:42.160
point well whether it is or it isn't i'd like to hear why you think it is that women are getting
01:03:47.700
married at 30 years old when uh clearly their fertility at that point is going to be drastically
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reduced in comparison to if they had gotten married when they were in their 20s why do you think they're
01:03:59.620
waiting until they're in their 30s um well trends are now showing that's because they're now trying
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to focus on careers right so they're trying to focus on resources right yes okay so they feel like
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it takes x amount of time for them to have some kind of resources and safety net and things like this
01:04:19.640
that they can fall back on and then they'll focus on getting married now do you think that generally
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speaking women are marrying men who make more money than them or less money than them
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right now probably more probably more so if if you were to put all of this together
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what would you say what would be your synopsis for why this phenomenon is happening now and it's
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never happened before in history what are you you're saying this has never happened before in
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history that that women dating up no no no it's never happened before in history where women are
01:04:57.940
waiting until they're in their 30s on average get married it's because they're getting more rights now
01:05:01.820
and they're they're able to well they've had rights they've had rights uh you know for 70 years
01:05:07.660
and even then the trend still showed you women were getting married when they were younger men on
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average get married when they're younger too so the question becomes really here why is it that
01:05:18.520
women are waiting till they're in their 30s to get married well do you want to know what the responses
01:05:22.940
from these surveys are for why they they say that they're waiting until they're in their 30s to get
01:05:27.300
married what would you what do you think that they are if you had to guess because they're waiting for
01:05:31.280
the right person well they also say they're waiting to find somebody who's equally yoked with them
01:05:37.840
and has financial stability and when they get married they're getting married to men generally
01:05:42.960
who have more resources than they have so some that's not always the case right but they tend to
01:05:49.660
settle when they're in their 30s and in their 20s they're looking for uh these uh i don't know what
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you would call them the omega chat or whatever the fuck you want to call it they seem to be looking
01:05:59.880
for that and this is just what the data shows over and over again so i would actually like to see to hear
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why you think what the alternative to this is in your mind why what is the alternative
01:06:10.700
explanation to dating up what's the alternative no to why women are waiting until so late in life
01:06:18.540
yeah it's because like we were talking about there's more possibilities for women like we can go look at
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like asian fertility rates and things like that the birth rates going down as they are able to work
01:06:29.620
more and more because they want to have a full career right so there's more options for them
01:06:35.460
exactly and do their 30s and then the options begin to narrow and so what do they do what do
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they do when those options begin to narrow in their 30s if they settle don't you think that's dating
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below them if they're settling can be yeah but even then they tend to at least settle with somebody
01:06:54.520
who makes on par the amount of money they make or more than they make so again you say that it's
01:07:00.320
because the options right they have so many more options when they're younger we totally agree they
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have tons more options when they're younger they're looking through all of those options but when the
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options begin to narrow that seems to be when they settle right if i could jump in here too why do you
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think women don't date up you even just said that women settle for someone who makes equivalent or below
01:07:20.840
my point about the settling was in his mentality not dating up is settling right so a lot of times if
01:07:29.300
they can't what about what about your mentality would not if i'm dating someone who makes less
01:07:34.700
than me if you're dating a broke guy would you consider that settling no not necessarily at all
01:07:39.600
okay so do you think women in general though would wait tilt your mic down do you think women in gen
01:07:46.860
there you go do you think women in general if they dated men who could not financially provide for them
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would consider that settling as opposed to the ideal of dating someone who financially could take care of
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them which would be women dating upwards and that's why i think it's a more of a generational debate i think
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younger generations start thinking no it's not settling but if we get into so you don't think modern
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women want to date men who can find the average age of marriage is increasing it's not decreasing
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so it's like so i don't so i just i don't understand did you i'm trying to figure out
01:08:24.520
where it is that you're coming from here i i because i think i get the worldview i think i think
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i understand we start with the monolith you dismiss the monolith that's fair right we're talking in
01:08:34.320
generalities here but you yourself aren't you on essentially the same path right you're going to
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wait until you're educated and you have uh you know something to fall back on possibly a good nest egg
01:08:45.820
you're not in any rush is it inconceivable to you that you yourself will end up being one of these
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women who probably gets married later in life at 29 30 31 no i completely see myself getting married
01:08:59.020
way later than right so you're following the exact same trend a little bit that most of them are you're
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exploring the options now if mr right comes in before then and he's uh you know a football player with
01:09:12.620
millions of dollars and wants to marry you that might change drastically your outlook right more
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no because it's not necessarily on him it's on me it's am i prepared for that that's what i'm asking
01:09:24.440
you if mr right came in tomorrow millions of dollars he was rico suave and he had millions of dollars
01:09:29.900
swept you off your feet wouldn't you drastically reevaluate your situation i'm not at all i don't why
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would i depend on someone millions of dollars what if he leaves me like there's what happens if he
01:09:41.500
leaves you and he has millions of dollars and you're married to him what happens oh there could
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be there's definitely a prenup most people are somewhat smart about that i would say and it a lot
01:09:53.620
of a lot of these millionaires surprisingly don't get prenups they don't get them the women convince
01:09:58.200
them not to get them and they don't get them so if a guy wasn't going to get a prenup with you had
01:10:02.480
millions of dollars rico suave he sweeps you off your feet right this second what the hell would you
01:10:07.280
ever have to work again for or rely on anything for would you wouldn't you go for it or would you
01:10:11.920
still wait until your education was done i would 100 wait like i've dedicated so many years to my
01:10:17.340
education that would be such like a loss do you value different resources is that why you said no
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to if you dated a broke guy that wouldn't be dating down uh yeah i mean value them as a human more than
01:10:31.700
their resources like if they're just a good person sure but in like your like do you plan on having
01:10:36.980
kids yeah so in your grand scheme of your life do you i guess put finances at the bottom even though
01:10:44.320
finances do go into a lot of having kids getting a house getting having a comfy lifestyle well i've
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always planned on working so like it's not really a concern to me if they're the stay-at-home dad that's
01:10:58.720
like okay that's not a concern for me okay let's ask oh seven septillion seven hundred and seventy
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let me have a little back and forth with you here
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So instead of giving a dishonest answer, give an honest answer.
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But two parents don't have to work, again, generally.
01:39:28.160
In that situation, do you think that it's optimal if one parent does not have to work
01:39:33.320
to choose to work when they could stay at home with their kids?
01:39:44.680
This is such a loaded question because you're saying if you had to choose one,
01:40:00.200
When we dive into this, so I'll answer your question first, okay?
01:40:07.660
Now, to you, can you actually answer my question?
01:40:18.420
I do not think a mom staying at home is optimal.
01:40:29.780
I think optimal is depending on each situation.
01:40:33.820
You think that strangers raising your children is optimal?
01:40:36.300
Why are we assuming that, like, both my parents worked growing up.
01:40:42.000
I don't care what you say if you're like, oh, makes sense now.
01:40:48.480
There's things, and then you go home, you see your parents a perfect amount of time.
01:40:54.420
What would be your frame of reference to make the determination that was a perfect amount of time?
01:40:58.660
Wouldn't it have been better if your mom had stayed home with you?
01:41:18.240
So, you can't actually say right now, right this second, in front of everybody, that you actually believe that it's not optimal to have a mom stay at home with her children.
01:41:36.480
It depends on the household, but the reason I'm saying it's not optimal, if you give me the choice of two, yes or no, I'm saying no.
01:41:45.540
Okay, well, then let's get hyper-specific because otherwise you'll make the bold claim that it's loaded.
01:41:55.060
One makes enough money where the other one doesn't have to work, but they won't be able to do all their vacations and fun time and stuff like this.
01:42:02.420
But the mom can stay home with the kids, should she?
01:42:10.160
My parents, my dad was well off, where my mom did not have to work, but she chose to.
01:42:24.560
And so, if you were to take all of the research, it's because you like research, that's been done on this topic, showing whether or not the outcomes for children who are in a home where they have a present parent, which outcomes are better for children?
01:42:46.960
Stay at home with the children versus babysitters and outsourcing childcare.
01:42:52.980
Which outcomes for the children generally are better, with or without the stay at home mom?
01:42:56.960
You're acting like they're sleeping in the office.
01:42:59.760
Which ones are generally better for the children?
01:43:09.720
Out of these two, these two summarizations, one, you have a mom who stays at home, two, you do not.
01:43:22.180
The outcomes for the children in those situations do better under which model?
01:43:31.800
So, wouldn't that then, if you thought that you wanted the best outcomes for children, lead your logic into the belief that if the mom can stay home, she should?
01:43:50.400
You say there has been, like, stats of that when a child or children have their mother figure specifically present, especially in the first years of life.
01:44:03.120
But, like, I'm talking, like, around the clock for those first couple of years, or I don't know what the exact statistic was.
01:44:08.740
But they have way less, like, mental issues and just, in general, they are better off when they grow up.
01:44:15.760
To have that, I forget what it's called, but, like, when a mother gives birth to their child, that bond or whatever, like, that touch-to-touch, that mental bond that keeps going through their first one year, two years, whatever.
01:44:29.800
And to not have that or to have that be lesser could negatively impact them.
01:44:35.000
So I'm saying, or I think he's saying, statistically, I think it's optimal for the woman to be home, or the mother.
01:44:43.780
So, can you tell us a little bit of details, and then we're going to move on.
01:44:58.560
Apparently, dad was only communicating with the nanny, which is why JoJo doesn't know how to communicate with men.
01:45:29.120
Men are proven better at child-rearing, but they are also better providers.
01:45:33.660
So, the best case is the mom stays home and does what the dad says when it comes to the children.
01:45:49.780
So, my question for you is, you said your dad was well-off.
01:45:56.220
When you say well-off, like, it sounds like your mom didn't have to work.
01:46:06.100
Did you have, did you have to pay for, or did they have to pay for childcare so that she
01:46:13.520
Yeah, we had babysitters, after-school programs.
01:46:35.220
You have an example in your own life of a woman dating up.
01:46:49.820
But he was like a high school dropout, pretty much.
01:46:53.780
They got married, and he was like a high school dropout.
01:47:03.680
In any case, the man she ended up with and married to was so well-off that he could have
01:47:21.840
I feel like I shouldn't release that information.
01:47:35.100
As much of a social progressive as you can get, even if you don't think you are.
01:47:55.120
Basically, these are called status quo progressives.
01:47:58.240
So, yeah, I love capitalism and some patriotism is good, this and that, but everything else
01:48:13.180
What kind of law did your mom, does she practice or...
01:48:35.720
Like, I think her standpoint, your standpoint's more, I don't know if I'm right or wrong,
01:48:41.280
but based on, like, the points that you're making, I think you're viewing it as the potential
01:48:52.660
I really want to move on, but are you arriving at a point here soon?
01:48:58.500
So, like, what I'm saying is, like, okay, you say that you would want to, like, stay a...
01:49:05.720
I'm not an at-home mom, but, like, you have to keep in mind that even though you are a
01:49:11.140
breadwinner in a relationship, if you decide to date someone who does not make the same
01:49:15.500
amount of money, if not more, and, like, let's say you have the baby, and you're like,
01:49:18.960
oh, sweet baby, I want to stay with you at home now, who's going to be making the money?
01:49:33.080
Other things can happen outside for the question you asked me.
01:49:37.120
What about the fact that other things could also happen that you didn't detail in your
01:49:42.320
Well, it's a hypothetical, so that means there's a lot of outside facts.
01:49:49.100
Getting an answer out of you is like pulling teeth.
01:50:00.700
I was going to say, you've been single for two years.
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So here, Maddie, let me have you read this one.
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Are you okay with somebody who is weak-willed as well as broke?
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Are you willing to be the one who holds it all together in a mental capacity as well?
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Quick answer is I don't think the broke comment is necessarily with all aspirations.
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I think you can be doing a lot of other hobbies.
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Jojo, you're super cute and have a great personality.
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Would you be interested in a law school student who's moving back to SD in May?
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I'm 30, built like a tank, and have a six-figure job lined up.
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Do you have any questions for him you want to ask him?
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What's your relationship like with the mother of the daughter?
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Should he put a photo on his profile instead of the S?
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Screwdriver, just let us know you're high just to check.
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So going back to the original question, anybody disagree with anything besides her?
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Because the other one was like pay on the first date.
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Does anybody disagree with anything that you've heard about from the podcast?
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Not that I can think off the top of my head right now.
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I guess there was one episode that you guys did of it was like a girl who I think it was like a
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And then she would just get paid to ask for money for them.
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And then you said a statement of life on easy mode.
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And I was just curious if that if you still have that perspective towards like exotic dancers
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So you wrote the life on easy mode topic pertaining to.
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You said that you agree that it is easy to just go on Tinder and get a sugar daddy.
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But I'm curious on your stance on OnlyFans and exotic dancers.
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I've I've said that a lot of women have life on easy mode.
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And I've also said that women have dating on easy mode.
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So I can certainly start on the dating on easy mode.
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Is that did you object to that one to no dating on easy mode?
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You're just going to concede that women have dating on easy mode.
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No, sometimes I feel like people will just like disagree.
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I do think that it depends on the person that you're talking to.
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Any woman, any woman, even she, any woman can be a slut.
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I tend to frame it like not every guy can be a stud, but let's just say not every guy can be a slut.
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So you can at least get to the point of, well, meeting the person, having sex with them.
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That's getting a lot further along in the dating process than a lot of men can even get.
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If you consider that to be important in the dating aspect.
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Okay, so if you're, if you don't partake in hookup culture, for example, for me, personally.
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But you have the capacity to, is the difference.
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So the vast majority of men don't even have the capacity to participate in hookup culture.
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If they absolutely want to be sluts, there are women, you call them bottom of the barrel, whatever, that they could be hooking up with.
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But for the sake of argument, if women date up, they're not going for those men.
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But I would argue that women who are, say, average looking can be sluts.
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And they could exclusively choose men that are more attractive than they are.
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So you're saying, so again, I mean, even if I were to concede that while men can be sluts so long as they date like three, four, five points below them in looks, and even then I would argue, still, not really.
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But women still have the capacity to, like, procure sex from men who are way more attractive than they are.
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I think women have it on easy mode when it comes to hookups or maybe likes on a dating app or right swipes, whatever you want to call it.
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But as far as actually finding a long-term relationship, I think it's equally hard for men.
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No, because I think a lot of men just want to hook up with women and they're not interested in long-term commitment.
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Do you guys currently have any guys in the friend zone?
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Would you be prepared to be in a relationship with you?
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Well, most of my friend zone guys are in relationships.
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Yeah, but Malik, he's asking if there's any men you know of who have a romantic interest in you that you do not reciprocate who are your friends.
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Okay, so most men don't just have a handful or even dozens of men in the pocket that, oh, hmm, Becky, I...
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Most men never have women in the pocket like that, whereas most women will have at least one dude who they could get into a relationship with at any given time.
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Because usually those women have moved on, too.
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Like, if they're in their back pocket, usually when you come back to them, they've probably moved on.
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Well, I think the reason for that is men typically...
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To the argument of men and women can't be friends, I think women are more than capable of being friends with men with no romantic interest.
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But I don't think men are really capable of being friends with women that they don't find attractive or see a benefit in the friendship in the future.
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So that's why a lot of men will have a lot of women friends, and maybe sometimes they do end up in the friend zone.
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But women generally will be friends with multiple people, regardless of if they see romantic potential.
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And that's why men don't have a back pocket of friend-zoned women, because they're not even going to be talking to a woman in the first place if they don't see a romantic potential.
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You don't disagree, Malik, that men are the ones out there pursuing the women for the most part.
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Do you think that women are approaching men and DMing men at the same frequency that men...
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Don't put the other half of the clown makeup on in the bathroom.
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Women do pursue men, not at the rate that men pursue women, though.
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Are they pursuing them for, like, sexual advances or, like, for relationships?
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Men just pursue women at a significantly higher rate.
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Well, I'm talking about that initial initiative.
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Any guy that I've talked with, wherever it's supposed to, I've been the one to initiate it.
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Yeah, but you're the exception, and you know that.
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I wouldn't be able to keep my stable of side chicks if it wasn't for women like this
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You are helping us high net worth men pump and dump these girls on birth control.
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She knows for sure that it's men are overwhelmingly pursuing these women.
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Of course there are women who will shoot the shot.
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Let's say for a hundred nights in a row, I go to a bar and I just sit at the bar alone.
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There might be a really good chance that I never get approached by a woman a hundred...
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Maybe I should frame it like who's more likely.
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I'm going to say that that depends entirely on...
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If you have an attractive guy, if you have an attractive guy, go to a bar, that guy is
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way more likely to get approached by a woman than...
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Willie, I would argue even a 10 out of 10 dude is not going to get approached as much
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We both agreed that men are way more likely to approach women.
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But like, honestly, nowadays, who's going to be meeting people in person?
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Have you been approached more by men than you have approached men?
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No, it's not checkmate because we already agreed on that.
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Here, Malik, you're going to pretend to be a man and you're going to pick up our good
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Do you like to have fun in the area and go out a lot?
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What do you like to do for fun, then, if you don't like going out?
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Would you want to watch a movie with me sometime?
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Wait, so Jojo, you have to put that on for the next five minutes, okay?
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I think next time I send somebody to the corner in timeout, they have to wear that hat.
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You got to adjust the little thing in the back.
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She asked if I wanted to watch a movie with her, and I said no.
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But it's also just hard to make a conversation when you're not actually attracted to the person,
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because if I really was attracted to you, it would go elsewhere.
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So if I was a hot guy and we had the same exact conversation, I said the same stuff, how would it have ended up?
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What if she's an average girl, though, and it's not a hot guy.
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People generally don't approach people that they're not attracted to.
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The whole point of approaching someone is you're attracted to them.
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No, but if you're an average dude, you're going to shoot your shot with average-looking chicks.
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A lot of guys are intimidated by women that are on their level or more attractive, so a lot of guys talk to women below them.
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And they still get rejected by women who are arguably less attractive than them.
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Because women get approached significantly more, as we've both agreed on.
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So women are often annoyed by getting approached by 10.
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I feel like the guy doesn't even have to be hot, though.
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Women just feel that validation no matter what and hold that to their name.
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Yeah, I mean, so we've had women who come on the show who will just not even meet up with a dude, and dudes will just send them thousands of dollars.
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It was more of like, I guess, OnlyFans in a sense or exotic dancers.
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I think if I may, I think she's asking the difference where you've said OF or being an online whore is easy mode.
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Because there's a lot of physical strength and a lot more work that goes into that than just posting selfies of yourself naked online.
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Well, I think it's, I mean, the amount, if you can procure, for example, a sugar daddy from the strip club, and that sugar daddy is in turn paying for your bills and your groceries without any sort of romantic or sexual reciprocation, I would argue that that's life on easy mode.
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Like, when you're on OF, you can scale the amount of money you can make, whereas in a strip club, it's kind of limited a little bit.
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Only action I get in bars is gay guys shoving their thumb up my feet.
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I don't think he's actually shoving the thumb up the...
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I also think, though, like, back to our other conversation, if it wasn't...
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I agree that I think it's easy to obtain, but maybe not maintain.
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Because, like, I mean, going into, like, that field or that environment, when you say that you kind of alienate yourself from almost everyone else,
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I feel like a lot of other people wouldn't really agree with your career choice or how you spend your time, because obviously that's your job.
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Or, I'm sorry, not that it's harder than someone going to school and getting a job, but wouldn't you say that's hard, too?
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And I kind of want to say something about your point, because, like, you know, being in a city like Vegas, and I do know, I would say, quite a few people that work in especially exotic dancing industry.
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There's a lot of guys that do come in, like you said, that are kind of that sugar daddy material that'll try to be like, oh, I'll give you such and such amount of money, and I'll take you out of the club, yada, yada, whatever.
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And I've noticed a lot of those girls don't necessarily have it easy, because a lot of the times they kind of get coied into becoming some sort of sugar baby, whatever.
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But it's never enough for what they're looking for, like, to actually get out of the club.
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So, based off of, like, friends that I know from what they make in the club, there's sugar daddies that'll go in there and say, oh, I'll give you this amount of money, and I'll make these promises, but they're really not keeping up with that.
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So, the amount of money they're making in the club doesn't...
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It makes more than what some dude would come in the club and offer.
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But can I ask you something, since you have friends who've worked in that environment?
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I know quite a few people who have worked as security in those places, or have managed them, or various people I've talked to from all over the country.
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And they claim that most of these strip clubs are rife with prostitution, that probably most of the strippers engage in different and various forms of prostitution and get paid extremely handsomely for that.
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So, in the city and Clark County, and, well, Las Vegas in general, it's actually illegal.
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So, but you can go to Nye County, which is only about a 40-minute drive, which is Pahrump, essentially.
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So, you do have, like, Bunny Ranch, for example, is in Pahrump.
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Women control access to sex, but men control access to relationships and marriage.
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I think that it's easy mode because you have the choice to do that.
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If you have a man who's, like, doesn't know what to do for money, he can't just go on OnlyFans and make a lot of money.
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It's a choice that you made that men don't have that choice.
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Well, even, I mean, even removing OnlyFans and stripping from the thing, we've had even just normal college girls come on the show and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm getting offers to, like, dudes will just DM them.
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They can go on seeking and find some sort of arrangement there.
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So, whereas that, there's no corresponding, like, basically just getting almost free money from women.
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Like, have any of you, maybe, certainly you didn't accept it, have any of you received offers from men to get money for pictures, even non-noon pictures?
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Look, these dudes are, I don't know why these men do it, and if you're watching, the fuck are you guys doing?
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No women are like, oh, Brian, can you call me a 304?
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I believe, actually, when Andrew and I first met.
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One point I debated was that no matter how old you are, no matter how attractive you are,
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as a woman, you always have the backup plan of finding a man who's going to be able to take care of you and never working a day in your life.
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But as a man, you do not have that option, unless in very rare scenarios, you meet a sugar mama who's going to take care of you.
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But 99% of the time, any woman can find a man to fully sustain them if they choose not to work.
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Have you received an offer to be, like, a sugar baby or to be paid, just a guy to send you money to, I don't know, not, yeah, let's just do sugar.
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Have you had, like, a sugar daddy, sugar baby offer?
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A lot now, but even when I was in, like, high school, like, I would still get offers like that.
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Yeah, I would say that I've had zero, zero offers.
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And most men, most men ain't getting, uh, not even one their whole life.
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And if it is, if it is men offering that, it's usually gay men offering to take care
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I will say, though, I feel like it also is dependent on, like, location, like, the situation.
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Because I, I know a couple of guys who have been approached by older, wealthy women in
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my area, and they're like, hey, I think you're really, you know, just a cute little stud.
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Why don't you let me take you out, and we'll figure something out.
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And it's usually not, never equated to what most.
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Yeah, sure, but again, this is the exception proving the rule.
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So you're pointing to the exception, and the reason that it's an exception is because there
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I believe you that there's guys, but it's so rare.
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And I would also argue that the women that are doing that probably aren't going to be nearly
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Like, there's probably something back there where it's, like, not at the sort of willing
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And you may disagree with me, but from what I've seen in the very few instances where I
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know younger men who have gone to, who are sugar babies to sugar mamas, is usually older
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women, MILFs, whatever you want to call them, who have a lot of money, are single, kind of
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desperate, so they're like, I'll just offer to pay a hot guy because I'm never going to
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To a certain extent, I mean, from, like, the people that I know that have been in those
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scenarios, it's usually some hotter, yeah, hotter divorced MILF, I'll say.
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And she's just kind of like the, it's that get back.
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So, yeah, I will say there's always that, like, hidden agenda in the background, so I do
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But it's usually that hotter MILF that's like, you know what?
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Screw my ex-husband, I'm going to go grab me a stud, and I'm just going to walk around
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with my little arm candy, and I'll pay his bills for the next however long.
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It's like a temporary thing in most cases, from what I've seen.
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Like, there was a guy I knew from high school that ended up getting with, as crazy as it
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But it lasted for a good while from what we all saw.
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The only reason it ended was because she, what we had heard was she was just getting
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put in a rut because of getting laid off because of COVID.
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But let's, we have something that we're going to react to here that's maybe a little bit
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related to Andrew and your back and forth on our last show.
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So, Nick, can you pull up the, I think the first thing is the news article.
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You're going to have to move us to the, Jane Fonda claims she's only interested in young
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And 85-year-old also revealed she is our, okay, that does, next.
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Why ashamed Jane Fonda, 85, would only date a 20-year-old lover.
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Oh, wait, Nick, there's something up there in the corner.
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I'm ashamed to say this, but if I were to take a lover, he'd have to be 20.
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I'm ashamed to say this, but if I were to take a lover, he'd have to be 20.
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I'm doing everything I can to keep it fresh, but yeah, old skin.
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So, going around the table on this, she, a 85-year-old woman, she says she's only down to date 20-year-olds.
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Yeah, that's the only, like, men that she finds acceptable.
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I think it's kind of weird, but in my brain, it doesn't seem as wrong.
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But then I think about it, and I put her, if it was like a man saying it, I'd be like, way more taken aback.
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You said it doesn't, it doesn't seem as wrong as what?
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As like, for example, since she's a woman, she's saying it, and she's saying that she'd only take, like, a 20-year-old because of their youthful skin or whatever.
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In my brain, I don't know why, in my brain, it's like, okay, you know, work it or whatever.
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But then I, in my brain, put a man saying that, and it was just like, ew, I don't know why there's that.
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So it's not as bad as if it was a man saying the same thing?
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I think it is equally as bad, but in my brain, I don't, I don't know why I don't, like, feel that way.
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Well, when you intellectualize it, perhaps you can, like, think about it, and then it's as bad.
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But your initial, like, knee-jerk reaction is not as bad as if it was the reverse.
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I think that it's totally okay to have preferences.
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It's not really something that I could see myself being into, but it's legal and it's a preference.
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Okay, so I want to start by saying, referencing my previous debate with Andrew.
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According to his logic, there's nothing wrong with that.
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But I personally, well, the only reason a 20-year-old would get with an 85-year-old, regardless of who's, which gender is older or not, is for money.
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Like, get married, they're going to die, get their inheritance, whatever.
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But I personally think it's weird as fuck if an 85-year-old, woman or man, only wants to date 20-year-olds because of tight skin.
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Morally, I guess there's nothing wrong with it if it's legal, but I do not think in any scenario, any person, what is that, more than four times someone's age should be wanting to have sexual relations with someone?
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I kind of agree with Esme of, like, it would definitely be a lot.
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I feel like I would cringe if it was a guy saying it with a younger girl, but it's definitely, it's still weird.
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It's a 60-year, like, all for dating up, which, no matter what the gender, but it's definitely a weird gap.
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I think, I think it's kind of, like, up to preference, which I'm sure, you know, a few of you have said, but personally, I feel like it's just robbing the cradle, and I think it's kind of gross and icky.
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Like, it just, it just, it just, it seems, like, just nasty.
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There's no reason to it, and yeah, it's legal, but it's, what's the point?
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You're kind of just taking away from somebody's life for your own personal gain, your own personal, you know, lust.
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I think that the age difference, like, the age gap is pretty extreme.
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That's, like, your grandparents' age when you're 20, if not even my grandparents' age.
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I mean, I preferably would not myself, but I have no opposition to anyone who prefers to be in an age gap relationship.
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So, if there were 85-year-old men saying they only want to have sexual relations with people in your age group, how would you view those men?
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Exactly how I viewed this 85-year-old woman only wanting a 20-year-old man?
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What if a woman is, like, I only want to date a provider?
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Like I said, I don't think it makes a difference if it's a man or woman.
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Honestly, past 70, your brain is, like, that of a younger person anyway.
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Oh, so it's, like, a full circle kind of, like.
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It's still weird as fuck to date someone a quarter your age.
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Because I think previously you were, I don't know if you were making this argument.
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I don't know if you were making this argument, but you were saying something along the lines of, well, the prefrontal cortex is not fully developed until you're 25.
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But, like, couldn't you then make the argument, well, does it equal out if they have Alzheimer's?
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Like, if they're dating somebody with Alzheimer's, is it now a little more, like, equal playing field, you know?
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Okay, so it's, like, no-go between, like, 30 to, like, 70.
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But after 70, there's probably enough mental decline where it's, like, eh, it's probably fair.
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Honestly, honestly, you're going to call me dumb for this, but I think the 20-year-olds would actually be in the wrong for trying to take advantage of the older people.
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You'll have these young women who will, like, go after these people who are, like, incompetent, basically.
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And they'll actually try to, like, it's actually, I think, a crime.
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And they'll try to, like, siphon money, basically.
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So I'll say, and I'm just throwing random numbers out, okay?
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But I'll say between 40 and 69, if you're looking for younger women, you're a bit weird.
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But if you're 70 plus and you're hooking up with younger women, like, you're senile.
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The younger women or younger men are the ones in the wrong because they're taking advantage of older women.
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Your point is also really silly to be, like, oh, the prefrontal cortex isn't developed until 25.
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I said that I think maybe the minimum age of consent should be raised after certain age gaps.
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Like, I don't think someone fresh out of high school who's 18 who has no life experience whatsoever,
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whose brain is not fully developed should be in a relationship with 40, 50-year-olds.
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For all the women on the panel, if you don't mind raising your hands for this question,
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how many of you can say with confidence that this scenario gives you the ick?
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It's, it's, it would be so much worse if she was.
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With Hanoi Jane here and a 20-year-old, does it give you the, does it give you the ick?
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That was all of you raised your hands, basically, right?
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We also have to look at what the situation was.
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And I've got a second question, right, for all of you who did raise your hands, right?
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Even though it gives you the ick, do any of you have a moral objection to it?
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I just feel like it's, it's, like, because in this, in this scenario, it's not about dating.
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So it's not, I, I just feel like, in that sense, you're, like I said, you're robbing
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Yeah, how do you know it's about lust, though, if they get married and they fall in love?
02:25:33.020
Yeah, well, I mean, in that case, I'll concede that moral argument, right?
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If you just get a lover, but, but I would concede that regardless of the age.
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And, and I'll agree with you in the sense of, in the sense of, in the sense of just age
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itself, do you have any moral argument against it at all?
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Well, my sister's dated, or she's 32 and she's married to a 69 year old.
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Yeah, so in that case, I, I have no moral objection to that because they're married
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and they have a baby together and they're, they're happy and they're in love.
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But in the sense of it's coming for just sex, just lust, I do have moral objection to that.
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Any of you, any of the rest of you who raised your hands, do you have a single moral objection
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I don't know if this is moral and I'm not saying her specifically, but like I said,
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the only case where I would see a wrong is if the person is senile and cannot capably
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make mental decisions for themselves and younger people are taking advantage, especially knowing
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I strongly urge young men don't marry until 30 plus and established and to date in the
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Anyway, back to that, Malik, it would be the same regardless of the age gap in that situation.
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Anybody dating anybody else who was senile you would have a moral objection with, right?
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I do not give a fuck how old someone is if they're having sex.
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I'm against casual sex and hookup culture in general, so I don't give a fuck how old they
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Our argument last time, which we're piggybacking off of, was the fact that older men specifically
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only want to marry and be in relationships with women fresh out of high school.
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Did you ever figure out a moral argument for that or no?
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No, I did, but I don't want to, I know last time we argued about that for almost two
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Wait, do you have that same position in this scenario?
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I said, if anything, the 85-year-old's the victim.
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Sorry, I thought you said this one was less icky for some reason.
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And they're just looking for sex because they're about to die within the next, I don't know
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how many years, and that's really fucked up to say, but it's true.
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They're living, not her specifically, but 85-year-olds are living out the last years
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If their last wishes before they die are to hook up with younger people, let them live
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And what if the 40-year-old doesn't know when he's going to die and he wants to have
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I just said, I don't think 40-year-olds should obsess for specifically women fresh out of
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You wouldn't give the poor guy a single Hail Mary, you know, or like, it's the end of
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You wouldn't just cut him a little bit of slack.
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I would date up to 10 years older than me, but I'm also almost 25.
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Like, I'm not a child fresh out of high school.
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I'm just saying, you know, at 85 years old, if a dude who has tons of cash is like, oh,
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If an 85-year-old man's dying wish is to have sex with a younger woman, I will wingman for
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You could at least understand why the guy might want to at 85, right?
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You're just rephrasing my point and trying to use it against me.
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I guess the oldest would probably be, like, the 40s.
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So they have to be younger than your mom and they're good?
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I think anyone of that age would freak my parents out if they were around their age,
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I don't think I would be willing to date somebody younger than me.
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They just got to be able to, like, be a legal drinking age.
02:31:21.480
So I was born in 99, so my age range is the 90s, so minimum one year younger and maximum,
02:31:30.300
I guess the most I'd push it is maybe, like, 12, 13 years, but I don't want to date someone
02:31:39.220
I'd say, like, within, I wouldn't date younger than me, but probably, like, up to 10 years
02:31:47.360
Yeah, I'd say about 27 to 30 range, and then I don't date younger than me, just because I
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feel like it's too close to 18 makes me feel creepy.
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So I'm, like, 21 and up for sure, and then my cutoff is, like, I'd say 30.
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I think my max would probably be older, like, 8 years older, and as far as younger, maybe,
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I think I like older men, because they're just a little more mature.
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I mean, yeah, but just, like, like, even if I was older, I don't think I would date younger
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It's just because women mature and are ready to sell down at a much younger age than men,
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Women want to, by nature, be having children between, like, 18 and 28, and men don't usually
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want to sell down until they're in their 30s and have an established career.
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Men generally prefer to settle down when they're older, past 25, when, by nature, ideally,
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women are most fertile when they're younger than 25, or around that age.
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I do want to say, like, so, just on the age gap thing, before you criticize older men for
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liking younger women, remember that younger women like older men.
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And also, what ends up, you got, like, okay, so, a 23-year-old man, let's say you can't
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get a 23-year-old woman, but when he turns 33, maybe he can.
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Could it also be the case that women start this cycle by rejecting men their own age when
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Almost the whole entire panel stated, you keep agreeing with me and then saying checkmate.
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It's not checkmate if we agreed from the beginning.
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Would it give you the ick if I was dating a 19-year-old?
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No, I would say no, but if you specifically were going into environments that you knew
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only 18 to 20-year-olds were and specifically looking for someone of that age range, I would
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And I said this last time to you, I think it's fine if people naturally meet, if they're
02:34:27.240
both of consensual age and they naturally meet, that's fine, but older men who specifically
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target, which is a small percentage, but older men who specifically target and prey on
02:34:39.400
Yeah, I don't know about this whole predatory thing.
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In the same way that you say, well, these high school teenagers...
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I had a woman tell me that a guy with arthritis was a predator because he had arthritis on this
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A predator is someone who preys on the more innocent, the more naive, the more unintelligent,
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Pull up the definition of prey if you don't know, Brian.
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If he just runs in to a woman who is more naive and less intelligent and this and that,
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and they hit it off and they get married, you don't give a shit.
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I personally have known people who back when I was in college...
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It's not predatory for any of the values that you consider that this guy is looking
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for, which makes him a predator, to not be predatory as long as he finds them randomly.
02:35:55.480
Andrew, we both don't differ that much on opinion.
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You're trying to word this in a way, deliberately.
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Well, yes, because you're deliberately using the word predatory.
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You've got a problem with the word predatory here.
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There is someone who is in your age range, okay, not targeting you specifically, but
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one of your friends, right, and he is interested in finding a long-term partner, and when he
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goes on dating apps, he sets his age range to maximum 20 years old on a dating app, or
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he goes to college parties or environments where there's only younger girls.
02:36:41.440
Yeah, so can we get back to the idea of predatory?
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Even if I found it odd, what would make it predatory?
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Why don't you want to pull up the definition of predatory or prey?
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I think you're just hung up on the actual word.
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I think she's trying to use a loaded word in order to make people like that out to be...
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It seems that you both may not know the definition.
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Sickos who prowl the streets at night looking for women to S.A.?
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So that's why I have a problem with you using that word for this because I think you're
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trying to equate what we think of when we think of the word predatory as dangerous human
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being who's a predator who's doing horrible things to this guy who you can't actually make
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an argument for why they're doing something wrong.
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So you use the word predator in order to make them look bad or give a moral implication.
02:38:00.740
You used the word though, so shouldn't you know what the definition of...
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I know the definition and I know I'm using the word correctly.
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Why don't you tell us what the definition is first and we'll counter check it to what
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If I tell you the definition, then I want you to also tell me the definition before we
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But you are telling me I'm using the word incorrectly when I know I'm using it correctly.
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Relating to or denodating an animal or animals preying naturally on others.
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First, two, seeking to exploit or oppress others.
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I think that number two would be the thing that you would be going for.
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So why would it be oppressive or exploitative to do this between these two people who agree
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So you are exploiting the fact that they have no knowledge of the real world and you can
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easily take advantage of someone who is a lot younger and more naive than yourself.
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If that is your only age range, you should reflect on yourself.
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Why don't you want women who are in their 20s...
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I just want the simple, concise argument from you, Malik.
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I'm sorry you didn't hear the first time I answered, but it is exploitive to specifically
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target as a dating preference woman who you know may be way more naive and have way more...
02:39:49.540
If you're using the word may be, that means that they also may not be getting...
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That also means that they may not be getting exploited, right?
02:40:00.120
Oh, there's a high probability that they could get taken advantage of by an older man.
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Now, why would a younger woman want to date an older man, Malik?
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They're being hyperpredatory towards these older men, Malik?
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What a bunch of sick women these legal women are.
02:40:21.320
Like I said, Andrew, we could argue about this for two hours.
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Finally, a girl that doesn't wear makeup to the podcast.
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Inside, an armor light, AR-15, rifle with a fully loaded .30 RD magazine.
02:41:15.460
It's, well, I mean, it seems a little extreme compared to like a. . .
02:41:20.160
I want to extremely defend myself if I have to.
02:41:22.480
Well, no, for like, just like, you could just get a. . .
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If I'm going to defend myself with a gun, the purpose of it. . .
02:41:29.120
Hang on, if I'm going to defend myself with a gun, the purpose of it is to terminate the other person.
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Why would I give a shit if I had too much of an advantage?
02:41:43.260
I think there's a potential for more, like, more harm on yourself or the people around you.
02:41:56.340
Why would there be more harm for the people around me?
02:42:01.360
AR-15 is like, have you ever shot a gun in your life?
02:42:17.240
Not only that, but just so you understand, most gun crime in the United States.
02:42:21.820
It's been perpetrated by people who use handguns.
02:42:24.320
Almost nobody is ever killed with a rifle inside of the U.S.
02:42:27.660
More people are killed with hands and feet than they are with rifles, including the AR-15, just so you know.
02:42:34.440
It seems like if you were going to use a gun, that might be the safest one to use for self-defense.
02:42:39.820
Wait, so would you be more in favor of someone defending their home or defending themselves with a handgun, a pistol versus an AR-15?
02:43:03.300
It was a bit of a trick question, but pistols and handguns are semi-automatic weapons.
02:43:16.180
It's those guns where every time they go bang, right?
02:43:21.840
Most states do not even allow the use of 5.55 road for hunting deer.
02:43:30.620
But, yeah, when it comes to, you're just talking about those guns where you pull the trigger and it goes bang, right?
02:43:41.220
So, I mean, that would be a revolver also, just so you know.
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I think with all due respect, you just have no gun knowledge and that just sounds scary and that's what based your reaction.
02:43:52.260
My knowledge of an AR-15 is from, like, video games.
02:43:57.420
Wait, but AR-15s, Andrew, they're also semi-automatic weapons, right?
02:44:01.000
You pull the trigger once, one bullet comes out.
02:44:03.260
Well, I mean, yes, generally speaking, that's true, though you can get an automatic version of them if you have the right licensing.
02:44:10.800
But, yes, they are self-loading firearms, gas-operated self-loaders.
02:44:18.960
But in this particular case, yes, the AR-15, about the safest gun in the world you can own, almost nobody's ever killed with them, ever.
02:44:27.280
So, I mean, more people, again, are killed, but with hands and feet than they are with an AR-15.
02:44:33.920
And handguns, which are much easier to sneak into public than a giant AR.
02:44:36.980
Yeah, handguns are where almost all the crime is, and it's only specifically with demographics which exist in major metropolitan areas.
02:44:49.320
So that's almost all the gun crime in the United States.
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Very little of it's actually perpetrated by legal gun owners, to be honest with you.
02:44:56.620
Going around the table on this, do you remember the prompt?
02:45:08.480
I would hope whoever I'm dating would have a gun, really.
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This poor girl, this poor girl, the first one, the first one.
02:45:33.440
I've never shot a gun, and guns make me uncomfortable because I'm just not around them.
02:45:40.580
Mate, been dating a long time coming, been a fan since last March.
02:45:45.900
Mind you, I am five foot tall and have given up on dating because of the woman on your show.
02:45:52.120
Girls' birthed laughter at the thought of men my height even existed for me.
02:45:57.120
The R-15 is the civilian version of the M-16, which is an automatic weapon.
02:46:13.440
The AR-15, even though there is still military versions of it, it's basically just a civilian model of an M-16 A-1, which was developed by Eugene Stoner.
02:46:29.480
Girls burst into laughter at the thought of men my height even existing.
02:46:41.860
I will say that the large majority of women is looking to date a man who's tall or taller than them at least.
02:46:49.820
But I think being five feet is not a deal breaker.
02:46:54.140
Like, even for me personally, I ideally look for men who are my height or taller.
02:46:59.080
If we're talking about completely materialistic stuff, but if I found a man who checked off all my boxes and who would be a good father and take care of me, I don't care about height.
02:47:08.880
And I think there are not a lot of women who would agree with me, but there are women who agree.
02:47:15.660
The thing is, though, you have to account for there's a certain percentage of women who will say they don't care about height.
02:47:23.800
But even if, like, there's something in your subconscious that you're still going to be less, like, knee-jerk attracted to a guy who's shorter than you.
02:47:35.180
And it's funny because the three of us, Kirby, Malia, and I, actually had this conversation in the car.
02:47:44.180
It's a lot of times shorter guys are just very insecure and not confident, and they just carry themselves in a very just put-offish way.
02:47:53.740
If shorter men had more confidence, I think women would be more attracted to shorter men.
02:47:58.640
Well, this is kind of a what came first, the chicken or the egg.
02:48:02.480
Like, well, what if there was just swaths of women that didn't want to date them because they were shorter, so that helped in their development of being insecure about their height?
02:48:15.520
It's because of society that they feel insecure.
02:48:18.220
But just because society puts you into a box doesn't mean you have to hate yourself and be unhappy with your life.
02:48:24.000
If you're short, you just need to accept that and just you can be successful in the business world.
02:48:32.320
There are things you can change about yourself, but you're never going to be able to change your height.
02:48:35.600
So you need to just accept it and be confident about it.
02:48:38.320
I mean, I certainly agree with you that you ought to accept your circumstances and try to make the best of it as you can.
02:48:45.480
But practically speaking, I would tend to agree with him that, you know, a guy who is five foot tall is going to face certain specific struggles when it comes to dating related to his height.
02:49:00.240
And I'm saying there are multiple women who would date.
02:49:05.400
My advice to him would just be to accept that you're short and don't give a fuck.
02:49:09.320
You're going to get rejected a lot more than someone who's not short, but you just need to keep trying.
02:49:13.340
Also, he lives in communist Canada, so maybe he could, like, try his hand at, like, maybe, like, Asian countries, Latin America, you know?
02:49:27.500
There's always a, what is it, a somebody for everybody.
02:49:47.980
Get status, because if you think women date up, go get rich.
02:49:53.460
You try to level yourself up in as many ways as you can.
02:49:59.880
Try to make yourself as appealing physically as you can.
02:50:02.760
Get some, you know, get, you know, try your best to level up.
02:50:13.000
Like, it's a lot like saying, oh, just get some status.
02:50:17.120
Like, do you realize how hard it is to just go get some status?
02:50:21.620
You can't just go to the store and be like, excuse me, clerk, I'd like some status today.
02:50:30.260
This is kind of like most people who try to get some sort of status will probably never end up getting it.
02:50:35.500
It's the same way, like, oh, just, like, become, like, a super charismatic, charming guy.
02:50:40.720
Like, most people don't even have the capacity to ever become, like, funny or charming or charismatic.
02:50:46.840
Most people are just going to be normal, average people of average personality.
02:50:54.280
You could consider, you know what, to the guys who struggle with dating, there's a couple things, right?
02:51:04.900
Give me a, hold on, let me, I got to, I wrote this down because I got a couple things here.
02:51:09.660
So, first off, you got to, I have a four-tier approach, okay?
02:51:19.960
So, any of you who play World of Warcraft, the concept of minimizing undesirable qualities and maximizing desirable qualities in order to achieve the most powerful character possible in an RPG.
02:51:31.020
In this case, the game of life of dating, you got to get a, look, having a six-pack is not a requisite for getting success in dating,
02:51:42.960
You got to eat healthy, minimize stress, exercise.
02:51:53.120
You got to, you know, dating apps, in-person, club, like not bars and clubs, like join a, like a club.
02:52:05.080
Fine, like you got to min-max how you're sourcing.
02:52:13.420
You got to, you know, okay, can you get social circle going?
02:52:20.540
You know, cold approach is actually, I think it's on the rise.
02:52:31.220
Did you hear about the passport bro that just, like, got deleted?
02:52:40.800
There's, listen, there are definitely downsides to the passport bro.
02:52:43.680
I mean, also, if you're that much of a doomer when it comes to dating, find a hobby, find a passion, don't look back.
02:52:54.360
So, if after making a good faith effort to self-improve and you just, you can't find success, you're not going to fully give up, but dating now has to be on the back burner.
02:53:06.020
And you're going to throw yourself head first into a hobby or a passion.
02:53:10.080
My own recommendation, and this is geographically restricted a little bit, if you have the resources, I want you to take up surfing.
02:53:18.300
I know this sounds silly, but when you catch that first wave, you will be hooked.
02:53:23.460
I used to cancel dates with girls if the swell was good enough.
02:53:32.080
Even in waist high, I'm going to cancel on a chick if I'm jonesing for some juicy waves, you know?
02:53:45.440
No, actually, I've got some injuries, so I haven't, unfortunately, been able to surf much anymore.
02:53:49.560
So, but if you, okay, like, you will always rather, if you get into surfing, guys, you would always rather have a good surf session than get laid, okay?
02:54:04.100
Go surf head high, glassy rink on with no one out, or have sex with the hottest girl in the world.
02:54:17.560
No, you can ask surfers, ask surfers, would you rather get, have sex with the hottest chick of your life or go get barreled all day?
02:54:27.300
I guarantee you they're like, nah, brah, pussy can wait.
02:54:35.560
No, no, no, no, no, I would, let me put it, if I had to choose, okay, between being celibate for a year and, like, being able to just go surf the best waves but I can't fuck for a year, give me some fucking waves.
02:54:51.420
So you're telling me you have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hook up with Margot Robbie or any A-list, top model, whatever.
02:54:59.480
You're going to choose getting barreled by the same waves that you.
02:55:08.440
Okay, by waves all day long that you could do any other day with good waves.
02:55:24.360
If I can surf, I would rather surf, it doesn't even have to be barreling, give me head-high ringcon to myself for a day, I'm taking ringcon.
02:55:37.780
So I used to, on Twitch, be a part of the speedrunning community.
02:55:40.880
You remind me of the speedrunners who would say, I would rather just have good RNG all day long than have sex with a hot girl.
02:55:58.320
Who in the speedrunning community ever said that?
02:56:06.320
To finish my point, gentlemen, if the dating thing isn't working, again, throw yourself headfirst into a passion, a hobby.
02:56:15.360
And if you have the means, my recommendation is surfing.
02:56:29.200
If I had to pick one for the rest of my life, if I had to pick one for the rest of my life, surfing or sex, surfing.
02:56:38.720
I'm just saying that I think most, you're generalizing that most men would prefer surfing over having sex.
02:56:48.140
If they, if they, if they have a passion for surfing, they will always pick some juicy waves.
02:56:58.920
Every surfer I know is, like, so passionate about surfing.
02:57:01.520
I don't think you understand how fucking psycho surfers are.
02:57:06.440
Surfing, it's like, it's not a thing where you can go at any time.
02:57:10.700
Like, it's very, especially in some geographic locations, like here in Santa Barbara.
02:57:15.400
Like, you'll maybe get 10, 20 good days in a year.
02:57:24.620
So, it's not like, oh, let's go to the tennis court.
02:57:33.100
Brian, surfing sounds cool, but racing is an addiction that makes heroin seem like a vague longing for something salty.
02:57:41.380
As much trouble as women are, wait until you want to afford the time and effort.
02:57:46.620
Look, if there's any, thank you, Good One, I appreciate it.
02:57:49.040
Look, if there's any doomers in the chat, just, and you're upset about your dating prospects, even if you're a woman,
02:57:54.980
try surfing, but it's more so for our dudes, but just get yourself, go to fucking Hawaii, wherever, go, go get some good juicy waves.
02:58:05.480
And I fucking guarantee you, you're going to be like, yeah, there's better things than sex.
02:58:10.900
The ocean is the only thing in the world I hate.
02:58:22.860
But no, I think any man, your advice is correct.
02:58:33.540
I would rather go surf head high glassy ring con with nobody out than like have sex with like 10 of the hottest women in the world.
02:58:44.840
So just find something you're passionate about.
02:58:47.900
If you're depressed that you don't get laid, you have no life.
02:58:59.180
Let me read a couple chats here and then we'll get on to our next.
02:59:04.420
You just like to argue with me because you know I'll argue back.
02:59:11.060
Have you ever gotten some like juicy waves down in San Diego?
02:59:19.760
I mean, I learned how to surf, but I'm not a huge.
02:59:24.800
You got on some like juicy waves in La Jolla or what?
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My least favorite thing about surfing is the wetsuits.
02:59:37.340
Like you can surf in the three, two, three, two year rounds probably.
02:59:39.820
Well, like taking off the wetsuit is just a whole mission.
02:59:48.080
Well, you're probably like putting on a shitty rental wetsuit.
02:59:59.740
So when it comes to height, yes, it does matter to a certain degree.
03:00:05.220
I did have a situationship with someone that was five, ten, but we do have to put in a bunch
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I feel like he had to try harder than maybe someone who was taller.
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Like he had to put in more effort into the relationship.
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I mean, we often hear like, I think women will even admit this.
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Well, I'll date a guy who's ex, but he's going to have to make up with it in this other
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And I even said that, like, if you checked all my boxes and you were sure, sure, that's
03:00:45.720
But if you're short and you don't meet half of my needs.
03:00:48.840
Well, that's the thing is like the guy who's short has to be like really exceptional compared
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to the guy who's like six foot three, who a lot of women will just like ignore red flags
03:01:05.680
Maddie, is it, you have experience on this one?
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Like you kind of had that experience, you know?
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I devoted my 20s to 30s building an empire, rarely dated.
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We have excellent conversations and compliment each other well.
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He devoted his 20s to 30s to building an empire.
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I'm thinking he's maybe like late 30s, 40s, yeah, I think.
03:01:55.940
By the way, guys, just a reminder, if you can, you know, we don't mind the YouTube super
03:02:00.980
chats, but if you can do it through Streamlabs, same exact price, just YouTube takes a brutal,
03:02:05.540
brutal 30% cut, so, you know, if you, you know, do it through Streamlabs, think about
03:02:11.960
And then we have this one, if you can read that one, Maddie.
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Beauty, true alignment is based on the environment.
03:02:18.000
Who is likely to be more attractive, the child who is forced into sports at age five, or the
03:02:43.120
That's bull on the height, Malik, coming from you, who always talks about wanting to have
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I doubt if someone checked everything else but height, you'd try to date them.
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Second of all, I have stated, ideally, I want someone to have good genetics.
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That's not me only saying I'll date people with superior genetics.
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I have been the crew member of an M1A1 battle tank.
03:03:19.760
When the 120 millimeters goes off, there is no woman in this world that can make me harder
03:03:30.480
My boyfriend is a vet, and he said the same thing about me.
03:03:37.360
No, well, he, okay, so he used to work on jets.
03:03:42.320
No, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me rephrase, let me rephrase, let me rephrase.
03:03:44.820
So my boyfriend's a vet, and he used to work on jets, and he said to me, like, you know,
03:03:51.240
if I could give one more thing to hear those again, I'd give you up.
03:04:08.140
If we remove the levity and the laughing from this, so your boyfriend said he'd rather
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listen to a jet than date you, is that the way?
03:04:16.160
Well, like, if he could be in those jets and, like, be around them.
03:04:19.660
Not rather than date me, but, like, you know what I mean?
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I guess if he could get a week, he'd probably take it.
03:04:39.780
You said you want to date someone with superior...
03:04:44.200
You said you wanted to date someone with superior genetics?
03:04:48.380
So that person clearly has seen my content before, which is why they donate anonymously.
03:04:55.100
But I have stated in the past that I want to be with someone who has good genetics.
03:05:04.860
I joke about superior genetics all the time because on my Twitch channel, I'm often very narcissistic.
03:05:11.340
Like, I often say, like, I am superior as far as, like, genetics, brains, and everything.
03:05:40.240
You're probably laughing at me and thinking I'm stupid as fuck, but in my own head, I love
03:05:45.460
I'm happier about myself than you probably are.
03:05:50.140
I know nothing about you, so by default, I know myself better, and I know I'm happy with
03:05:55.240
myself, and I know I'm not perfect, but I love myself, and I think my genetics are pretty
03:06:01.300
So ideally, I would want someone with pretty good genetics, but that's besides the fact I just
03:06:14.480
It's more of like satire, but I have dark eyes.
03:06:22.880
Not saying it's better or worse, but if I reproduce with someone, if I have children
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in the future, the chances of my future kid having dark eyes are significantly high,
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because dark eyes are a superior genetic to lighter colored eyes.
03:06:39.740
Wait, so you're saying you have superior genetics because you have dark eyes?
03:06:47.260
Wait, but you're talking dominant and recessive traits.
03:06:54.300
Wouldn't the argument be that, like, broadly speaking, across cultures, lighter eyes are
03:07:03.980
So basically, wouldn't you be wrecking somebody else's genetics?
03:07:12.400
I'm Middle Eastern, so my genetics are more dominant.
03:07:15.200
If I was dating someone who's African American or African...
03:07:29.720
I think, no, I think she's saying that she thinks it's superior because she loves herself.
03:07:37.460
But isn't it, like, broadly speaking, even across different cultures, even in cultures
03:07:42.740
where dark eyes are dominant, don't they elevate people who have light eyes?
03:07:56.780
Look, I find dark eyes attractive, but I'm just saying...
03:07:59.200
If I called myself the smartest person in this room right now, I could convince myself,
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I can't stand for something for you, but there's...
03:08:33.460
Girl in the middle is beautiful, but probably wouldn't have a shot.
03:08:41.780
That might have been the guy who sent in the...
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I think she means superior in the fact that it is dominant.
03:09:06.820
I don't agree with evolution, but it does make sense.
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BTW, Jojo, you're hot, and I make six fix, but quit job.
03:09:22.980
Every time a guy's dated he has six figures and is interested in you, you've smiled.
03:09:30.520
Do you find that attractive, that he's maybe a higher status in life than you?
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Not trying to bring this combo back, just yes or no.
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I thought I was getting a lot of hate, so I think the general compliments are nice.
03:09:50.800
Former D dealer, popular high school kid, dated a cheerleader, ex-bodybuilder, nephew of
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Because, rest assured, the guest view is skewed.
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Every woman I was into, my size, told me a height wasn't a matter.
03:10:12.320
I mean, I'm 6'1", so most women are not taller than me, but I have dated women who are,
03:10:21.800
Interestingly enough, most of those dates, when it's with a woman who's taller, again,
03:10:28.740
I have absolutely no issue dating a woman who's taller than me, don't have any issues
03:10:34.740
The success rate, if I were to compare it to women who are shorter than me, is markedly
03:10:45.520
I know this is anecdotal, but in my own personal experience, as someone who's 6'1", when I've
03:10:50.900
dated women who are my height, or taller, it seems to be more so on their part that they
03:11:01.740
Can I just address the fact that we're just going to skip over a former blank dealer?
03:11:09.520
Maybe that was the reason they didn't want to date you.
03:11:18.780
David, we need this to come through as a soup chat, por favor.
03:11:29.980
Chick has the face of a character from Star Wars.
03:11:32.540
Brian, can you bring someone who actually has a personality?
03:11:37.500
This clown chick needs to understand when to insert a period in a verbal sentence.
03:11:43.960
If you have a problem with it, don't listen when I talk.
03:11:47.140
Actually, we should react to that Patrice video.
03:12:02.240
We got Madison here tonight, so I mean, that was good, you know?
03:12:15.580
Before we do the notes, Stifler is very curious to ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale
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of 1 to 10, starting with you going around the table.
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I'm surprised she doesn't say 10 since she was...
03:13:29.100
Like, I see myself as a 9 because I think I'm pretty great, but there's always room for
03:13:37.080
Even on my Twitch, a lot of people are like, oh, put a poll.
03:13:39.840
It's always generally between, like, a 7 and a 9.
03:13:43.120
I don't think I'm that much above average that the rest of the world perceives myself.
03:13:48.400
So I would say generally I would get rated around 7.
03:13:59.740
So, you said that you dated a heroin addict on and off for four years.
03:14:09.460
So, first off, how many times on and off was it?
03:14:28.800
So, of the times that it was off, who ended things?
03:14:44.780
So, on and off, it was a period of him just not being there.
03:14:56.760
I think maybe one of the times was, like, max three months, I would say.
03:15:32.740
So, but you said it was an on-again, off-again relationship.
03:15:40.320
Because you said he would end it, but it wasn't really him overtly ending things.
03:15:46.440
Yeah, but during those times, it's like, I'm not going to state that I'm in a relationship.
03:15:51.440
With you, when you completely ghosted me, and was on this little, like...
03:16:10.440
The first time it was off again, it was because he relapsed?
03:16:44.460
I honestly couldn't tell you if it was four or more.
03:16:53.680
It would be a period of him relapsing, being gone on this relapse, hitting rock bottom,
03:17:00.680
and then trying to get clean again, and then revisiting the relationship.
03:17:11.240
And was that actually true, or was he shifting the numbers on how long he came clean?
03:17:17.040
From what I know, throughout the whole thing, I believe it was true, in two years.
03:17:21.020
And so, you were together with him for how long before he relapsed?
03:17:38.080
Uh, like, well, so, that first initial relapse wasn't...
03:17:52.720
Um, so, why, why did you not break up with him after the, I assume heroin use is a deal-breaker
03:18:06.240
Because, well, being that young, I was naive, and...
03:18:17.420
Wait, you said you've been single for two months.
03:18:34.660
I had no idea what I was getting myself into, given, obviously, heroin addiction is something
03:18:40.440
that, yes, anybody would run the opposite direction, but I think I just saw more in him
03:18:49.340
So, when he initially came to me and told me, like, face on, that he was relapsing in the
03:18:58.460
beginning, like, when we were first together, it was...
03:19:02.060
It wasn't something that was, like, sneakily done around, and I just got to learn how...
03:19:10.200
It wasn't something that was super sneakily done.
03:19:26.900
By the end of your relationship, did he get over that, or was he continuing to relapse?
03:19:38.520
Towards the end, the last reason, when he reached out the last time, the reason was
03:19:51.860
He was getting clean again, and I went to go see him, and then there was just some other
03:20:12.040
Was there anything, like, insane that he did to you guys in the relationship?
03:20:22.240
Because, I don't know, you said when he was using, you weren't in the relationship with
03:20:29.520
There were times that we were together when he was using during, like, his relapse.
03:20:33.220
There were just times that initially it got so bad where he would just, like, go on
03:20:49.220
But, yes, there was lots of crazy things that I experienced during that time.
03:20:54.880
Prior to the first off, did you experience any of those crazy things?
03:21:07.040
...boyfriend doing heroin, that's probably a pretty big thing.
03:21:29.840
And I felt like I had a better understanding of addiction than most people, where it's,
03:21:35.220
like, people most of the time believe that an addict is always just going to be an addict
03:22:01.840
How early did your parents know that this guy was a heroin addict?
03:22:05.660
It was until after that I shared it with my mom.
03:22:15.600
My mom knew to an extent that there was something going on, but she didn't, um, pry about it.
03:22:27.220
They, you, I mean, they didn't, for four years this was going on, on and off, where this guy was taking heroin and he never told your folks at all?
03:22:39.840
It's some, I mean, it's something, during the time, it was something that I, at the time, and I come to realize this later, that I was not telling my parents to protect his image, basically.
03:22:56.820
Well, didn't it also protect your image, though?
03:23:02.260
I was dealing with so much of the time that I didn't want to deal with what my, like, deal with that, having to bring that stress to my family as well.
03:23:11.760
Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but you had hoped and believed him that he would not be a heroin addict anymore and he would give that up to be with you.
03:23:21.440
No, but just in general, you were hoping he would recover and not relapse.
03:23:26.180
Didn't necessarily feel the need to tell that, because you were hoping it would be something of the past.
03:23:31.600
It was just something I didn't want to stress my, like, parents about.
03:23:38.400
As far as, like, I hope he's doing well, but I don't have any contact with him, and what he's doing right now is what he's doing.
03:23:47.240
I've tried to be there for him during the time that we were together, but I can't say that.
03:23:55.380
I mean, yes, in a sense, because I do care if he's doing okay, but again, I'm not going to reach out to check on him or anything.
03:24:01.740
So, wait, did you, um, when it was off, would you be dating other men, or were you just?
03:24:11.700
Um, there was a couple of times, like, maybe two times that we were off.
03:24:16.540
Yeah, that I was, and I made that clear when he ended up coming back.
03:24:21.240
There was a couple times that I tried going on, like, a couple dates.
03:24:24.160
There was one time, um, when we were split for about, like, five months, I was dating somebody else, but that just didn't end up working out prior to him.
03:24:32.080
Well, did it not work out because you were hoping that the heroin man would come back into the picture?
03:24:39.140
No, it just, it ended prior to him even coming back, but it just, we weren't compatible, it just ended.
03:24:47.240
Do you think it's, um, abnormal to continuously date someone who's, uh, addicted to heroin?
03:25:00.600
Well, I think if you're in a relationship, and you are truly devoted to the person, and you want to pursue something with them, and it's very meaningful to you, you're naturally going to want to help them recover.
03:25:10.940
But she was, she was, uh, only dating him for a month, right?
03:25:14.400
You said you found out a month into the relationship.
03:25:18.100
Or, no, no, no, it was a month into the, you knew earlier on in the relationship that he had, uh, issues with drug use, but then, uh, a month in, he relapsed.
03:25:28.420
A lot of women fall into the trap of, I can fix things.
03:25:32.700
I think a month in is, that's your exit strategy.
03:25:37.220
It was, and he, and, and yes, I had an exit, he tried to give me an exit plan when he told me that he was relapsing and it was getting bad.
03:25:47.740
He tried to give me an out, and yeah, I think I stayed to try to not fix him, but give him the support that I thought he needed.
03:25:57.500
Yeah, I, I mean, I guess if you want to put it that way, yeah.
03:26:00.780
But, um, and the, I feel, and from what I saw, the support in the beginning did, um, and he did end up getting clean.
03:26:12.320
Yeah, but this guy locked up, like, four years of your life dating him.
03:26:22.760
When you're a heroin addict, you do everything.
03:26:26.380
So he was doing, so he was doing everything and heroin.
03:26:29.040
I mean, when you're, that's your addiction is that specific drug, but you're around everything else, so.
03:26:44.060
Every other drug, could, if you consider heroin being, like, the top of the worst drugs, everything else, it's, it's in the same, you're around the same thing when you're using, like, you're on the streets.
03:26:56.760
So, so when he'd have a relapse, a heroin relapse, would he smoke crystal meth and, and, uh, this kind of thing?
03:27:02.760
No, it wasn't like he was using that as well, but I knew that, like, during his rampages, his other addict, the other addicts he was, was around, that that was, like,
03:27:16.520
Well, I don't know if this is a hot take, but, uh, my advice to both men and women, this isn't a gender thing, uh, junkie is not very high on the list of people you should date.
03:27:45.320
I will, I will say people can definitely, like, recover and clean up their lives, but during that time, don't think you can save them because you can't.
03:27:56.200
I would argue, at least, look, here's my perspective on the male side of things.
03:28:02.040
Uh, if she has a history of drug use, uh, you should preclude her from consideration when it comes to dating.
03:28:12.340
There's plenty of people that are not drug addicted or don't have a history of drug addiction.
03:28:22.340
Uh, I'm actually, I'm not, it, obviously it's not as hard of a drug as heroin or these other hard drugs, but I actually think that, uh, significant marijuana usage is actually a character defect.
03:28:37.040
Uh, and, uh, I, uh, I personally, I don't smoke, I don't smoke weed.
03:28:43.780
If she did it minimally, it's okay, but if it's significant, if she uses it significantly, I think that that's, uh, a red flag.
03:28:53.240
I think there's also a difference between someone who occasionally smokes and a stoner.
03:28:58.540
Well, I'd prefer someone who just doesn't smoke at all.
03:29:02.600
If she smokes occasionally, I don't think that's not going to be a deal breaker for me, but I would prefer somebody who doesn't smoke.
03:29:10.140
And, I mean, similarly, when it comes to drinking, I don't really drink, so I'd prefer someone who doesn't drink.
03:29:38.940
I wanted to follow up with a couple of questions, if you don't mind.
03:29:42.180
Um, so, was this guy engaging also in criminal activity, heavy criminal activity during this
03:29:53.260
Did you get involved in any of that criminal activity as well with him?
03:29:57.260
Like, did he, I mean, did he try to drag you into it?
03:30:00.720
It was, I think that was one of the things that probably, not necessarily kept me around for
03:30:05.780
so long, but, um, his separation from, I don't know how to put this, um, his, seeing his struggle
03:30:21.120
on trying to separate his addiction from his normal life.
03:30:26.980
Like, just seeing someone who had that struggle trying to get clean and couldn't and, and fell
03:30:34.680
into, like, the black hole of addiction was something that he kept very separate from, or
03:30:41.680
tried to keep very separate from our relationship.
03:30:45.100
So, no, he didn't, like, try to get me involved in any of that.
03:30:49.260
Did you ever inadvertently end up having to pay for his habit?
03:30:54.620
Uh, uh, there were times that I later found out that it was, yes, kind of, that, unknowingly,
03:31:09.600
Four years is a long time to be with a heroin addict, right?
03:31:14.320
Just, if you're okay with answering, what would he say when you were, like, trying to
03:31:22.580
I mean, the, as far as trying to help him, it wasn't really, I don't know how to answer
03:31:32.840
that, because there's no direct, like, you know, you have so much more to offer.
03:31:37.680
There's not, like, those direct kind of answers for somebody.
03:31:46.940
I think addicts know, in a way, that there's going to be nothing that is going to change
03:31:50.280
the way they feel, because when you are addicted to a drug, it's not you, it's the drug taking
03:31:55.560
over your body, it is the drug making decisions for you in your life, and it's really hard
03:32:02.760
So, they just, like, know that they're doomed, kind of, and it's hard for them to get better,
03:32:10.580
They don't, yeah, they don't know how to help themselves, because it's right in front
03:32:14.260
Yeah, and then, in their mind, the only thing that helps them is the drug, and that's why
03:32:19.620
So, what was, like, the final straw for you of, like, the last, of him saying, I can get
03:32:24.980
There, there wasn't, if I'm being completely honest.
03:32:28.680
I think that I'd never, no matter how many times, like, and that's where, when I was saying
03:32:37.120
in the beginning, I don't think, I think a lot of people see addiction and see, like,
03:32:40.580
a lost cause, and that's where addicts have such a hard time gaining that support, because
03:32:47.560
they lose that trust from the support they got originally so many times, and that situation,
03:32:54.840
and, like, in that case, our situation got so detrimental, where I couldn't be his support
03:32:58.860
anymore, I started becoming, like, part of the problem, because I went, like, AWOL.
03:33:04.040
Like, any time something would happen, I just went, like, completely.
03:33:07.980
It was really toxic, so there wasn't really a time, it honestly just ended on terms where
03:33:18.100
it wasn't going to, it was so toxic towards the end that that's what was the defining factor,
03:33:24.960
I don't think I ever lost faith in the fact that he could get clean.
03:33:34.560
Yeah, not a lot of people can do that for other people.
03:33:37.160
Not necessarily, like, be their savior or whatever, but as you say, addicts, they fuck
03:33:47.520
They lose a lot of the support that they have, and because of that, I think it makes things
03:33:52.860
a lot worse a lot faster, because when and if they do come to their senses on an off day,
03:34:00.960
and they're like, alright, maybe I'm messing up, I need help, no one's really there to help
03:34:05.960
And an addict won't get ready, they won't get help unless they're ready, so anybody
03:34:10.640
can try to do anything for them, give them all the resources, but it's not going to happen
03:34:15.720
And it's hard to, yeah, be the person that's going to be there when they aren't ready.
03:34:23.540
Like you said, I feel like everyone also looks at addicts like a lost cause, but at the same
03:34:28.040
time, you do have to take into account that they fully did that themselves.
03:34:32.260
And they are driving those people out of their life that want to help them and want to support
03:34:36.540
And they truly just don't want to get better until they're ready, like you said.
03:34:40.140
Would you go through or put yourself through that again?
03:34:49.280
Ultimately, my last question on this, as I'm sure Brian wants to move the convo on, but
03:34:55.140
would you say in retrospect that you were as much of an enabler of the behavior as you
03:35:01.020
were somebody ultimately who was assisting and putting a stop to it?
03:35:09.400
I think as I learned with his addiction, I, and even just his environment, you obviously
03:35:18.040
dating an addict, you learn a lot about addiction.
03:35:20.800
And I don't think that, I mean, maybe at one point because I was so naive about what was
03:35:27.560
happening that I couldn't differentiate what was like going on.
03:35:31.620
I couldn't tell if, at sometimes if he was lying to me or I couldn't tell that he was
03:35:41.600
So, in those cases, yes, but I think in the sense of trying, like the support that I tried
03:35:48.200
to give him or how I thought I was helping him and I was enabling instead, I don't think
03:35:53.420
You're talking about years, I mean, four years and many, many, many relapses.
03:35:59.300
At what point, at what point has there become a distinction between enabling behavior and
03:36:06.560
Do you mean like, as in accepting him back every time he relapsed as, as like referring
03:36:16.220
Um, I don't know how I would answer that because every time he would come back, it wasn't
03:36:23.300
while he was, like, it wasn't at a time that he was relapsing.
03:36:30.160
Every time he would come back, it was already when he was ready to get clean.
03:36:35.060
So, I'm not sure if that would be considered enabling his addiction.
03:36:40.260
I mean, I would understand because I was always there.
03:36:43.360
You know, he, he always had somebody there to come back to, but I don't think so.
03:36:53.200
I wonder if there's any data when it comes to dating.
03:37:04.500
I think in general, men use drugs more than women do.
03:37:14.660
Yeah, that's what I was referring to when it comes to illegal drugs, especially, like,
03:37:22.120
So, you find more men doing that than women anyway.
03:37:25.140
And the women who do do it, it's because they have a boyfriend, a brother, a family member,
03:37:28.940
or a best friend who's into that who gets the woman into it generally.
03:37:35.060
Well, I mean, also, it's just like women are attracted to bad boys.
03:37:40.440
And, I mean, it sounded like you said he was also involved in some, I might have stepped
03:37:47.660
So, yeah, women just seem to be attracted to what I view as character defects and flaws
03:37:58.760
I don't know if we even brought that up when you were on the show last.
03:38:01.160
And I've mentioned it quite frequently in the, well, people really, a lot of people are
03:38:05.340
tuning out for this fucking, this particular conversation.
03:38:11.980
But so, hebristophilia, women are attracted to men who are, they're attracted to criminality.
03:38:19.660
And this is almost exclusively something that you see in women as compared to men.
03:38:24.460
It's very rare in men, but much more common in women.
03:38:30.920
I personally have never understood that, but that is true.
03:38:33.940
Well, I think it has to do capacity for violence.
03:38:35.980
So, someone who's a criminal may very well have more capacity for violence or to do things
03:38:41.400
that could, you know, in some dire situation, if they're more drawn to criminality, they
03:38:47.580
could conceivably better provide for children if they're willing to steal or cheat or lie.
03:38:59.340
I know women, I've known women in my life who have dated criminals, and I've never understood
03:39:09.220
Anyways, let's get these chats out, because there's quite a few.
03:39:15.660
There's no way the chick who looks like she blows the horn of Gonder says she's a seven
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It's that we're spreading some good ol' freedom in Helldivers.
03:40:07.180
And as far as rates go, that one on the far end is a smoke show and light blue is kind
03:40:30.380
But to the appy biot being a weed dealer prior to legalize is about the coolest dudes
03:40:39.640
They just didn't want to date because of height.
03:40:48.480
You have a 24 body count, but they didn't want to date you?
03:40:53.680
You're saying the girls would smash, but they wouldn't date you?
03:41:15.060
Who else here considers themselves traditional?
03:41:29.140
I think I am traditional when it comes to relationships.
03:41:33.960
I would prefer my husband provide, but I do have quite a potty mouth and a dark sense of
03:41:39.180
humor, so maybe in some aspects a little bit more modern.
03:41:41.600
Do you consider yourself a traditional woman overall?
03:41:46.060
I think it's on a spectrum, so maybe not fully, but I think maybe more traditional than
03:41:53.620
I would say I'm completely traditional when it comes to relationships, but as far as lifestyle,
03:41:58.840
I want to be always providing for myself in addition to being with someone who's providing
03:42:04.180
for my family, but in a relationship sense, I'm traditional, but in lifestyle, I guess not
03:42:09.420
Wait, you always want to be working for yourself?
03:42:13.000
Even if you meet a really wealthy guy who's like, nah, just stay home, pump out babies,
03:42:18.900
Like, if I didn't get paid, I would still work.
03:42:36.400
So as you're, say, in this scenario, your husband's like, well, uh, no, you don't need
03:42:48.640
I'm still going to work because I enjoy working.
03:42:50.160
No, he says, no, no, he says, no, I don't want you to work.
03:43:07.240
I'll deep clean the house every day instead of once a week, I guess.
03:43:23.960
So, we're going to do a segment called traditional or not traditional.
03:43:28.580
What this is going to require is us pulling up all the girls' Instagrams, Nick.
03:43:36.620
We're going to pull up all their Instagrams, and we're going to...
03:43:39.960
Those of them who said traditional, we're going to see.
03:43:44.100
Judging off of their Instagram, are they traditional?
03:44:12.380
Did you want to do the other 1 to 10 one, or just the first one?
03:44:19.580
When you say that you always want to work, Malik, are you on some kind of, like, legal
03:44:28.320
Everyone thinks I'm either on Adderall, or cocaine, or caffeine.
03:44:34.780
I have water, and I have a lot of vegetables and fruit.
03:44:38.520
I have caffeine, like, once a month, just, like, on days like this where I want more
03:44:43.900
I drink alcohol, like, on occasions, like birthdays and stuff, but, like, that's it.
03:44:48.760
Well, I mean, the only reason I ask is because I remember distinctly the last time you were
03:44:52.940
on the show, you began to eat a banana with a peel on it.
03:44:55.560
So, it made me question your sanity a little bit.
03:45:01.900
I do carry a banana with me, because I do like eating bananas.
03:45:09.460
I got this because it carries my bananas better.
03:45:37.100
I'm kind of tempted to try it, but I'm going to pass.
03:45:39.840
I will buy you a drink tonight if you take a bite.
03:45:46.880
Those are the kind of bananas you use to make banana bread.
03:45:58.560
This is, like, the most disturbing thing I've seen on the podcast.
03:46:16.440
The first concussion I got was from a 2x4 in a slid chamber.
03:46:22.000
Me and my brother, I was about 8 years old, and he was, like, I think 5.
03:46:35.340
I was just going to, like, use my hands to describe.
03:46:37.480
So, we wanted to catapult rocks into the air, so we went and found a bunch of rocks, like,
03:46:43.480
the size of our heads, and we took a stump, like, a log, like, maybe this big, and we cut
03:46:51.900
Like, you know, like a log, like a stump, right?
03:46:55.680
And we cut in half, so it was like a semicircle, and we took a 2x4, and we nailed it to it,
03:46:59.740
and then we stole our dad's sledgehammer, and we were catapulting rocks into the air,
03:47:04.100
and we were, like, taking turns, like, hitting the sledgehammer.
03:47:09.040
I was 8 years old, and it was my turn to, like, load the sledgehammer or load the rock
03:47:13.520
onto the catapult so my brother could launch it into the air, and when I bent over to pick
03:47:18.180
up a rock, he, like, got trigger-happy, and he hit the little, like, seesaw.
03:47:37.620
Yeah, I know, but, like, I don't need the fucking...
03:47:39.740
Okay, I've just got a lot of concussions from being a dumb kid.
03:47:51.980
Who do you think is more qualified to make decisions, an 18-year-old or someone who has
03:47:58.520
I want the girl eating the banana like that, that's for sure.
03:48:03.040
As someone who was once 18, I'm more qualified now.
03:48:24.540
The peels are good for you, but you have to wash it.
03:49:58.600
Okay, so you're at parties, festival, music festivals.
03:51:05.840
Also, you scroll down to the point where people were using...
03:51:47.560
I'm going to have to do like a deep dive on this later.
03:52:41.920
In one of the pictures, you can see one is like way more defined than the other just based
03:53:04.260
Regardless of the fake titties or real titties.
03:53:14.760
In her messages to us, she claimed traditional.
03:53:34.440
Do you want to walk back the whole being traditional thing?
03:54:13.340
Here's my bong and I'm partying and I'm going to clubs and...
03:54:25.420
I mean, I don't know if you were posting anything like that, but...
03:54:39.720
But as far as I think my relationship views, I would say they might be a little bit more
03:54:48.020
Does that mean when it comes to like, you know, a man paying for everything?
03:54:54.080
Like I said, I lean more traditional in that sense.
03:54:56.620
Not necessarily paying for everything where someone needs to like, take care of me because
03:55:01.000
I would most likely work if I didn't have to as well, but to have...
03:55:07.420
Well, what does that mean traditional inside of a relationship?
03:55:14.620
Where the man is the head of the household and the provider.
03:55:18.900
So, like I said, I lean more towards that where I...
03:55:23.620
But I'm saying that I would work if I didn't have to.
03:55:31.500
So, when you're saying traditional inside of a relationship, you just mean you stay at
03:55:40.960
That's why I said I lean a little bit more towards that.
03:55:45.660
But I wouldn't want to be completely taken care of.
03:55:48.440
I would just rather have my significant other be someone who is a little bit more of a
03:57:08.780
Andrew, the entire reason of posting to Instagram or any social media is to get attention.
03:57:16.020
So, by definition, every post is a thirst trap.
03:57:23.320
I think that a thirst trap is a woman posing sexually provocatively in order to get attention.
03:57:31.220
For instance, a picture of you drinking orange juice is a thirst trap, Malik.
03:57:40.240
I don't think I was sexualizing myself in any photos.
03:57:48.820
Malik, let me finish what I said, or what I'm trying to say.
03:57:52.080
So, you would agree with me, though, that a thirst trap is a woman who is posting in a sexually provocative way in order to get male attention, right?
03:58:07.420
I'm just saying, the top right one looked a little bit like that's what you were trying to do, Malik.
03:58:20.820
And I don't see anything wrong with that picture.
03:58:33.740
I want to smell the Renaissance Fairchick's chair once she leaves.
03:58:45.300
That was just one of the 12, but I'll save y'all the additional CTE.
03:59:07.000
We'll do her and then her and then we'll just move.
03:59:11.740
I mean, there's parts of mine where I'm like, eh.
03:59:18.040
Would you say you're off to today's traditional?
03:59:20.800
There's a difference between claiming traditional and valuing traditional.
03:59:23.360
Yo, thank you, AB Check, for the gift of 20 memberships.
03:59:45.100
That is my Instagram, but that video is not me.
04:00:22.780
I've gotten that in the past, but I can, you know, 100% claim that they are not.
04:00:28.120
And I'm also scared of, like, surgeries in general.
04:00:31.220
So I don't think even if I wanted to, I wouldn't.
04:00:36.560
We've had girls come on the show before claiming they don't have fake titties.
04:00:47.540
Andrew, do you remember that Twitch girl who, uh, she was, like, Russian or some shit?
04:01:14.140
Yo, Flann Life, thanks for the gifted 10, uh, memberships.
04:01:18.220
And I will say, I understand a reason for her to lie.
04:01:28.020
What do you mean she doesn't have a reason to lie?
04:01:30.260
Like, you're accusing her of having fake tits, but she would have no reason...
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Versus a Twitch streamer who presents herself...
04:01:37.860
...and her tits says her thumbnail almost every day.
04:01:40.120
Like, I can understand her wanting to protect her own online image and saying, hey, they're
04:01:49.080
Well, I could probably think of reasons why she could have reasons to lie.
04:01:56.420
I haven't done a thorough enough investigation.
04:02:22.360
I like to think I have a good fake titty radar, but maybe in this one time in my whole
04:02:27.220
life, I've been wrong once when it came to the fake titties.
04:02:32.020
And if that's true, then it's probably a compliment to her, I guess.
04:02:40.800
I'll just grow taller if I want to be with the woman.
04:02:42.740
Listen, this last $50 is for the Chilean general to invade Canada to save me of the
04:02:55.320
I can confirm that the non-speaking soldier in the background, I have talked with him,
04:03:05.700
Do you want, can you, I know it's, do you want to respond in Spanish?
04:03:31.820
Oh, we did, we'll do your Instagram really quick, then we'll move on.
04:03:35.400
Senior Nick, por favor, pull up the L Instagram.
04:04:16.880
The third one, though, is, uh, check out my ass, the...
04:04:26.180
The RO, I will legit marry the Renaissance fair chick.
04:04:29.800
I'll smell her chair as consolation if I am turned down.
04:04:48.660
If you do a champagne pop, Maddie will smell it on your behalf.
04:05:12.120
While we're waiting on that, you said you think a lot of people end up going through an unhealthy
04:05:21.420
In order to get to a point to understand how to be okay as a single individual.
04:05:32.280
My wording on that, I don't, I feel like I wish I would have reworded that because I
04:05:37.600
don't feel, I don't feel like it's necessary to be okay as a single individual.
04:05:42.980
But I feel like the majority of the people that you speak to probably and most likely
04:05:50.020
have gone through one attachment, unhealthy attachment in some kind of relationship.
04:05:55.980
And it kind of goes back to not that I believe in like the three loves of your life, but that
04:06:01.300
second one that everybody goes through that's, you know, toxic and unhealthy and you learn
04:06:10.460
I feel like there's a healthy amount of people out there that go through some kind of unhealthy
04:07:03.940
You said you don't know how to date after divorce.
04:07:09.100
Everything seems to be transactional and disposable.
04:07:12.320
Meeting people who know what their dating style is.
04:07:15.660
I feel like everyone is always looking for the greener grass, swiping left and right.
04:07:24.740
I mean, like I had said earlier, it's kind of tough to date after marriage.
04:07:33.340
Um, although my situation with that partner was tough in general, now dating, like people
04:07:46.560
Um, and so this online dating concept is, it's difficult because like we had mentioned earlier,
04:07:58.200
It's one, most people only want to, uh, be on those dating apps to sleep with people.
04:08:05.120
And if you're one of those individuals that don't partake in hookup culture, um, you start
04:08:12.020
with that conversation and then within like the first couple sentences, they realize that
04:08:18.020
you're not really about it and it just like either dies down or they try to play it off
04:08:24.980
I'm not trying to sleep with you, but in reality they are.
04:08:27.260
And I mean, I know what, what I'm looking for, but then you find a lot of people that are
04:08:33.840
like, oh, well, um, I'm still trying to figure out my dating goals and you're in your like
04:08:38.500
mid thirties trying to figure out what it is that you want in a partner.
04:08:47.780
Um, most of the people that I meet, most of the people that I meet only want to hook up
04:08:53.200
or they want to hook up and then see where that leads.
04:09:01.780
I don't really put a lot of effort into meeting people in person.
04:09:04.700
Um, so maybe that's part of it, but I also don't want to like go out and meet people
04:09:15.440
Have you ever had any luck meeting anybody in person there?
04:09:17.980
Um, so yes, but they're like, what do people call them?
04:09:25.260
You go, you meet and they're like, wow, they're having such a good time and you're partying
04:09:30.280
But afterwards, a lot of them live like out of the state, out of the country, or you kind
04:09:36.780
of just like, I don't know what, within the whole having fun, you don't get their number.
04:09:42.360
Maybe, um, I don't know what the following day, they just don't message you back.
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And it's just like a, while you're there type situation.
04:09:55.380
This is totally unrelated, but when you were, during your introduction, you said that with
04:10:01.120
some of these hookups, they'd be like, try to kick you out after having sex.
04:10:08.920
So, um, during the time that I separated, I wasn't sleeping or like seeing anybody.
04:10:14.180
Um, I ended up kind of sort of dating one of, uh, people that were like in our friend
04:10:20.620
group or whatever and never really led anywhere.
04:10:23.020
But it was, it always felt to me like, um, you sleep with that person.
04:10:27.120
Well, the difference is, is I don't overtly claim that I'm traditional.
04:10:36.360
Well, the difference is, is I don't overtly claim that I'm traditional.
04:10:52.240
Um, so it's like, you know, these OF girls who come on the show or these porn stars, well,
04:11:01.840
Whereas if they just claimed, oh yeah, I'm a modern woman, I wouldn't really like, there's
04:11:08.880
Um, so I don't really make claims that I'm like this, this paragon of tradition.
04:11:16.040
There are some components of me that I think are traditional.
04:11:19.300
Um, but yeah, I'm not, I don't believe in waiting until marriage.
04:11:26.200
I used to play video games, but I haven't played video games since, uh, 2020.
04:11:30.200
2020, but I mean, I have, I have a knowledge of it cause I used to play, so I'll make video
04:11:38.160
Um, so playing video games, maybe not traditional.
04:11:43.480
Well, I mean, uh, I don't know where video games really come into that, but, um, I don't,
04:11:49.640
yeah, I don't really make it a habit to be like, oh, again, I'm, I don't proclaim myself
04:11:56.720
to be, you know, like some paragon of tradition.
04:12:09.740
But again, I'm not out here being like, yeah, I'm like trying to, trying to claim being traditional.
04:12:15.960
Perhaps in some ways I am, in other ways I'm not.
04:12:18.420
Like I'm not waiting till marriage to have sex and, um, but, um, yeah.
04:12:25.700
I'm not really trying to defend, but it's because you ask all of the girls on the panel,
04:12:33.140
And they're not going out and like on their socials and stuff claiming like, oh, I'm a
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It's just, you ask a yes or no question and then like, you're not traditional.
04:12:44.180
Well, in the pre, in the pre-show casting questions we ask, do you consider yourself feminist or
04:12:50.080
So usually I'll only give pushback if a girl who likes, she does, she's outwardly does
04:12:55.440
not appear to be a tradition, traditional, or she's involved in sex work and claims to
04:13:03.280
And, and I understand that, but feminist and traditional are not opposites.
04:13:10.900
So you said you wouldn't fully consider yourself traditional.
04:13:19.700
That, well, so, so just because two things are opposite of each other doesn't mean if
04:13:24.160
you're not one of those things that would immediately make you the other, that would be a logical
04:13:31.040
Well, feminism is in its most generous sense is advocating for women.
04:13:40.520
Well, no, feminist is that men and women are equal.
04:13:44.080
In my questionnaire, I'm like, do you consider yourself traditional or more feminist?
04:13:55.640
I might actually lean more egalitarian, which I prefer over feminism.
04:14:04.700
I think is what you're thinking, but matriarchy is not feminist because in a matriarchy, the
04:14:15.840
But in a feminist society or an egalitarian society, men and women are equal.
04:14:38.960
No, actually, because, for example, in a scenario where feminists are seeking equality, they
04:14:47.600
will only seek that equality if it somehow stands to benefit women.
04:14:52.220
If seeking some form of equality would actually come to the detriment of women, feminists will
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So it's not equality between men and women because feminists would be in the streets fighting
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for equalization of selective service and the draft.
04:15:08.820
It's female supremacy is the ultimate goal of feminism.
04:15:17.680
That's why not a single one of you at the table is going to identify.
04:15:23.240
Is anybody at this table going to identify as a fourth-wave feminist?
04:15:26.360
Yeah, that's what I thought, and that's because it's, they're all female supremacists.
04:15:33.200
But how many of you would identify as a first-wave or second-wave feminist?
04:15:48.380
Well, maybe not you, Malik, but almost every other woman here does.
04:15:51.580
And the reason for this is because, yes, feminism becomes about female supremacy.
04:15:57.360
That is, that's actually what was in the doctrine originally for feminism was a move towards female supremacy.
04:16:04.040
It wasn't enough that they were equal with men because men are a bunch of violent predators, Malik,
04:16:09.780
who are always after young women and things like this.
04:16:12.720
So they absolutely had to get these evil men who were just ultra-violent lunatics under control.
04:16:20.540
This is on all of the feminist doctrine, and you know this, by the way.
04:16:25.880
I will fact-check you after the show because I doubt Brian is going to want to pull up the definitions now, but I disagree.
04:16:36.240
Well, let's look at what's actually in practice.
04:16:38.500
Okay, but I'm not talking about Twitter warriors.
04:16:41.260
I'm not talking about people who live on Twitter and type, oh, women should control this and all that,
04:16:49.540
I'm against feminism, for the record, but the core of feminism is equality, not female supremacy.
04:16:56.040
Do you think that the feminism that they teach in universities, for example, and mind you,
04:17:01.440
in every single institution of higher education, there's some sort of women's studies or feminist studies course,
04:17:13.180
There's no corresponding men's studies or, you know, whatever.
04:17:17.080
There's not really a men's rights courses, whatever it might be.
04:17:21.640
What do you think they are teaching women in these courses?
04:17:27.300
Do you think they're teaching patriarchy theory in these courses?
04:17:29.740
Of course not, because patriarchy is not equivalent.
04:17:34.960
Feminism would be an egalitarian society where it's equal.
04:17:39.560
Patriarchy theory is a core tenant of, patriarchy theory is a core tenant of feminist ideology.
04:17:49.160
It's wrong, and it should be egalitarian, not that it should be a matriarchy where it's a, a matriarchy would be females.
04:17:58.180
No, you're talking, Malik, you're confusing classic liberalism with feminism.
04:18:03.140
When you're talking about egalitarianism, you're talking about, like, John Locke-style egalitarian doctrine.
04:18:09.360
Like, traditional liberalism is what you're pointing at, not feminism.
04:18:13.520
Feminism does teach patriarchy theory, and it teaches it from standpoint theory.
04:18:19.540
It's saying that men are evil, ultra-violent lunatics and have to be brought under control.
04:18:25.460
That is what it teaches, and that's what its original founders push.
04:18:31.020
I mean, I can give you a massive list, or you can just buy a cult feminism and read it for yourself, Malik.
04:18:38.180
I said I would fact-check there, but can we just pull up the definition of feminism?
04:18:41.780
It doesn't matter, really, what the definition is.
04:18:46.140
I don't care what they teach, and I don't know what they teach.
04:18:48.920
If all institutions of higher education, which, by the way, I think it's 60% of college students are women now.
04:18:56.520
So more women are getting fed these lies in these institutions.
04:19:01.060
If they're teaching patriarchy theory, which basically states that men as a class, as a gender, are oppressors, and women are oppressed, that's a really hateful thing to teach swaths of women.
04:19:18.220
Fourth wave feminism is a feminist movement that began in the 2010s, and it's characterized by a focus on the empowerment of women and the use of intersectionality and internet tools.
04:19:32.720
Now, intersectionality, as you might note, Malik, is what?
04:19:44.020
I don't know what I'm referring to on that level.
04:19:53.040
I have no knowledge on feminism other than the bare minimum.
04:19:56.680
Well, then why are you trying to tell us what the fuck it is, Malik?
04:19:59.620
Because he's saying, you guys are telling me that you're either feminist or traditional, and Brian just said he's neither.
04:20:08.320
Didn't say you're feminist or traditional, but that if you identify as being traditional and you're not identifying as being a feminist, very easy for us to make a determination if you're traditional or not.
04:20:22.680
I do not see either of you correct in this manner, but you guys are going to keep framing this.
04:20:52.820
I don't think we are completely the same and completely equal.
04:20:55.740
I think you can acknowledge the differences in...
04:21:33.700
Going around the table, actually, are women oppressed?
04:22:09.900
A big one is the whole Blizzard case with the lawsuit with California.
04:22:18.100
The state of California sued Blizzard, right, because of the unequal treatment of women in
04:22:24.960
Same exact jobs, same exact positions, and they were getting paid way less than the men.
04:22:34.140
I have not been keeping up with it, but the original filing of it, I read the whole thing.
04:22:38.260
Well, so, I mean, you can't just put forward a complaint and say that because a complaint
04:22:43.740
was made, that that means that therefore complaint was true.
04:22:56.880
So, if the state of California files a criminal complaint against you, and they've alleged
04:23:04.860
that you've murdered somebody, but you know you didn't, but because it's the state of California,
04:23:09.700
surely why would they proceed with a prosecution unless they knew you were guilty?
04:23:15.920
So, do you not believe in innocence until proven guilty?
04:23:20.800
On a corporation level, though, this is not like a one person, like he said, she said.
04:23:25.840
This is a huge corporation where you would think, again, I guess I'm assuming, but you
04:23:31.560
would think they have a little more evidence than like one whistleblower.
04:23:34.860
Well, so what specific, because I've heard some stuff about Blizzard, is it related to
04:23:43.300
I think there was some sexual harassment allegations.
04:23:54.100
Because this sounds like a civil case that's been brought against Blizzard.
04:23:57.580
So, just so you know, the background in it is it was settled.
04:24:01.800
But the determination here, really, though, is not whether or not it was, but why in the
04:24:07.940
world do you use that as evidence for discrimination if you didn't even know that it was?
04:24:12.860
Well, I was about to say, I remember, I think, reading a headline that they settled with a
04:24:19.960
Now suddenly you remember that they settled after I told you that they settled.
04:24:28.240
It's not a good argument to say, I remember that a complaint was brought up.
04:24:31.680
And so, therefore, I think that women are oppressed.
04:24:37.620
Because it was the topic of, are women oppressed?
04:24:44.340
Or would you genuinely consider something like that as oppression?
04:24:49.020
Because there is a big difference between oppression and just inequity.
04:24:51.880
Well, I think, in the general sense, I think inequity can be oppression, depending on...
04:25:00.400
I guess, so, I guess, to make it more specific, is unequal pay?
04:25:08.720
Miss JoJo, whom I find so attractive, the fact that a legal complaint is filed doesn't mean
04:25:17.060
We have the right of innocence until proven guilty.
04:25:27.480
Hang on, I'm going through the complaint here as well.
04:25:33.500
So, they settled with them because they didn't want to go through the court costs, according
04:25:37.520
to the Activision, of trying to take on the state in this massive court case.
04:25:42.720
But they admitted no wrongdoing, according to this settlement.
04:25:45.840
So, the question, again, becomes, even if you settle because of court costs, that still
04:25:51.360
is not necessarily an indication of wrongdoing.
04:25:53.520
So, what Brian is asking you specifically here is, what are the things that you would
04:25:59.220
point to that would show that women are not equal to men inside of American society?
04:26:05.380
And you don't like the World of Warcraft blizzard?
04:26:10.300
It's not clear if that's evidenced of widespread oppression because, like, you can...
04:26:15.000
Not even clear that it's oppression in this case.
04:26:20.080
So, any examples that you could give that we could dive into, I'm literally happy to
04:26:32.380
Let me ask you one question before you give an example.
04:26:39.860
I think there are cases of women being oppressed.
04:27:04.780
Well, I guess Blizzard's a video game company, but kind of similar.
04:27:07.940
Google actually tried to do a review of their payroll.
04:27:16.260
And they actually found, and you can Google this, and maybe, Andrew, you could just make sure I'm getting this right.
04:27:25.040
Google did an internal review and found that they were actually overpaying women compared to their male counterparts.
04:27:32.680
Is that evidence of men being oppressed, that Google was overpaying the women for the same work, the same job?
04:27:40.900
Because of probably overcompensation of what they think they thought.
04:27:47.280
That the women were getting paid more than the men?
04:27:49.260
No, I don't think just payment is, like, the one example of oppression.
04:27:52.980
I mean, that's what you sided to with the Blizzard case.
04:28:03.560
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but Brian is correct.
04:28:06.300
This was a Silicon Valley internal audit that Google did.
04:28:10.940
And they found that they were overpaying their female staff in order to compensate for some social justice bullshit, right?
04:28:23.640
I'm not going to say I'm a full liberal, full socialist, because I do think there are a lot of mistakes like that.
04:28:30.520
The overcompensation for women, that's why it's more about equity and not necessarily equality,
04:28:35.540
because I think the argument that we're completely equal is BS.
04:28:46.340
It's oppression, but when it happens to men, it's just not oppression?
04:28:51.620
No, I was using the example of Blizzard, because there was a lot of things in that working environment.
04:29:03.900
A corporate office, a lot of times there are, you know, women who aren't listened to as much.
04:29:08.600
There's studies showed by, like, Harvard did a bunch of studies on...
04:29:14.260
I don't know if that would constitute oppression.
04:29:21.400
Oppression, like, not listening to women's voices or, like, ideas in the workplace, isn't that kind of along the lines of oppression?
04:29:29.600
What evidence do you have that that actually occurs?
04:29:32.900
Well, there are studies that show, like, for example, the Harvard case study is...
04:29:37.920
You guys probably know of this one, where they give two, like, descriptions of someone...
04:29:55.840
And then they thought the man was a great leader, took good initiative, et cetera.
04:30:03.340
It was a Harvard case study based off of they were giving the qualifications of a candidate, and the woman, they, the classroom deemed that she seemed bossy, she seemed arrogant, and then they gave it with a man's name, and they were like, oh, he seems like a good leader.
04:30:21.840
Now, this is off the top of your head, so I don't actually expect you to know this, but do you have any idea what the study might have been called or what the methodology was that was used in it?
04:30:32.340
No, there's a lot of my classes go over that study, though.
04:30:40.160
Well, it sounds like you're paying a lot for classes where you don't even remember what it is that you read inside the class, right?
04:30:47.220
Do you remember every Harvard case studies you read?
04:30:51.920
I didn't know what topics of conversation were going to come up on this podcast.
04:30:57.300
Well, I mean, let's just assume for a second the topic of conversation I didn't think would come up on the podcast, then I probably wouldn't cite something if I didn't know anything about the thing I was citing.
04:31:21.320
You randomly would give information that it's based off what?
04:31:30.480
Like you were talking about divorce because of unhappiness.
04:31:34.040
Yeah, this is all stats you can find from divorce.com.
04:31:40.240
And you can also find the other stats that I cited to you from Pew Research.
04:31:49.680
And I'm not trying to attack you, Kirby, but almost every liberal woman I've met, especially those who are studying college, whether they're getting their bachelor's, master's, whatever it is, they're very liberal-leaning.
04:32:09.620
Anytime wife is feeling oppressed or I'm feeling ungrateful, we take a dump in the toilet, flush it, and watch it get carried out of our home into the septic tank.
04:32:24.560
Just flush the shit right out of your household.
04:32:30.960
A lot of liberal-leaning women, especially who are feminist-leaning, often state that I think it should be this way or this person's oppressed and I'm going to college for it and I've been in college for eight years and I've learned all this and I've taken all these classes.
04:32:52.380
I mean, of course, I guess it's a terrible example if I don't remember the actual case study, but...
04:32:59.060
It's just, oh, this person, this one day got oppressed by this person, but a man had a similar scenario happen, but that wasn't oppression.
04:33:16.300
So, even if the study is true, whatever it is that you're referencing, and that there was a similar set of qualifications between a male and a female and pictures shown to a class and the class thought that the woman was a boss bitch and the man was sophisticated or, you know, some variation thereof, that still wouldn't actually indicate that women were oppressed.
04:33:35.940
That would just be a moderate sociological study of which you still could not draw any apt conclusions of oppression from such a study.
04:33:47.140
Well, I think there's a general, I guess, a general opinion based off of that, that it's like, it's harder for women to, like, get promoted, for example, because their initiative, their actions...
04:33:59.940
What Malik just said is right, then, an opinion, an opinion, not anything which is really tangible nor scientifically demonstrated, but an opinion.
04:34:12.300
So, what Malik is saying, because she deals with Twitch lunatics all the time, she knows this as well as any of us do, which is that oftentimes people will characterize sociological studies as being backups for their opinion.
04:34:24.740
And so, the distinction here that I'm looking for is I want to determine if this is just your opinion, or if you think that there's any actual scientific validity to the fact that in a sociological study that there was a variance of opinions given, and that that means we can draw some kind of conclusion from that.
04:35:03.240
In Iran, women will get arrested, killed, attacked, beat, just for showing their hair.
04:35:20.000
So, you don't need to have any scientific study.
04:35:22.840
If a woman shows her hair in public in Iran, there's a high probability that a violent hate crime is going to be committed against her just for showing her hair, because in Iran, in the Middle East specifically, there's a lot of oppression against women, and women are not treated...
04:35:39.140
Nobody went there with a clipboard and a pen and determined scientifically whether or not beating the shit out of a woman was oppression or not, Malik.
04:36:01.380
You don't need to do any scientific study to know that if you go to the Middle East, you may not even live a day just dressed how you are right now.
04:36:10.440
In America, you can walk to a bar alone at night, get drunk, and get home safe.
04:36:15.460
Yes, that's not the safest thing to do, but even the fact that you have the capability of doing that shows that women are free and not oppressed.
04:36:24.080
You want to be a full-time worker your entire life, work a nine-to-five.
04:36:32.040
There's some countries that still women don't even have those rights fully where they can get an education and work.
04:36:37.680
They're just forced to live a life that they just have to or they're dead.
04:36:43.080
I've never said women are not oppressed everywhere else in the world.
04:36:45.700
I just think there's examples and cases of oppression here.
04:36:52.400
I don't – it's a little extreme to say any of that.
04:36:56.420
There are outliers, but generally, the laws in the United States of America do not allow women to be oppressed.
04:37:02.080
Yeah, but also on top of that, if you're going to point to outliers, then each outlier you can point to, I can point to a similar outlier for why men are oppressed inside of this great country as well.
04:37:13.540
So any time you decide to indicate one of these outliers, I'm happy to match you one for one for why it is that men can go in.
04:37:23.440
With these wondrous, wonderful qualifications that they have and due to some type of, I don't know, California statute that says you have to have X amount of women who are CEOs in your fucking companies that suddenly these men get outplaced by these women.
04:37:39.720
That sounds like a lot of fucking oppression to me, I got to tell you.
04:37:49.100
Then you're destroying the meaning of the word.
04:37:51.820
If anyone can be oppressed, then no one's oppressed.
04:37:56.600
If anyone can be oppressed, then there's no oppression.
04:38:03.020
You're contradicting almost every statement you make because you're making statements of facts based on your personal opinions, on your personal life, and your life choices and how you were raised.
04:38:23.860
They drove together, so that's going to be an awkward ride home.
04:38:28.760
Are there any rights that men have that women don't?
04:38:55.080
I mean, you're going to – I already know the argument for this one if I say it, but it's like the topic of abortion.
04:39:04.420
I already know, like, the counterpoints to that.
04:39:18.220
They don't have a say, and if you can abort it, that's an argument I've heard.
04:39:30.400
Well, I said – you guys said I can't say that, so –
04:39:39.220
I never said anything about not being oppressed outside of the U.S. too.
04:39:48.360
I think there is oppression in the U.S. as well.
04:39:57.540
There's cases where, like, let's say in New York City, and – you're going to play a noise.
04:40:05.760
And I think it was the 1970s, there was a lot of –
04:40:13.600
Jojo, I am happy that you can take the side of the unpopular opinion on this podcast.
04:40:31.040
You were about to say something about cops in the 1970s.
04:40:34.080
In the 1970s, women who were prostitutes in the 1970s were getting arrested and thrown in jail,
04:40:39.880
and the pimps, because of being men, were a lot of times not persecuted.
04:40:46.700
Okay, and gay marriage wasn't legal until 2012.
04:40:49.640
You guys want to – I'm just going to – exciting general knowledge of oppression.
04:40:55.680
In the 1970s, prostitutes were getting grounded down, and they just were – they were just
04:41:07.360
They were forced into sex work by, like, these men, these pimps, and it was just a general,
04:41:12.980
again, another – I know you guys love it – another study that I read about.
04:41:16.980
What right does a man have in this country that a woman does not?
04:41:44.260
I mean, truthfully, the only thing that I can think of that's – and I'm – when
04:41:48.100
we're talking about rights, the only thing I can think of is – and this isn't the case,
04:41:52.520
there's some jurisdictions where this is allowed, but men can go topless.
04:42:04.440
And there's some jurisdictions where you can go topless, but like, you know, is that
04:42:17.280
It's the women who don't want to – like, I personally would never want to do that.
04:42:20.880
I don't feel oppressed by having to dress properly.
04:42:44.780
Well, I mean, you're talking about like rights and stuff, you know?
04:42:48.460
So I can think of three examples of things that strictly impact men that don't really
04:42:57.080
So first off – and this is immediately upon birth why I would think men are more oppressed
04:43:04.820
So upon birth, the vast majority of men in this country are – get circumcised, which I view
04:43:20.720
Women are not having their lady bits circumcised in this country on birth.
04:43:27.180
So that's a pretty major issue that I view that impacts – that's immediately upon birth
04:43:43.980
Again, if we were to combine and add up all of women's collective grievances throughout
04:43:49.040
all of – all time, all the grievances could not – no right to vote.
04:43:55.380
Apparently you couldn't – there's something about bank accounts.
04:44:02.020
You know, inequality in the workplace, et cetera, et cetera.
04:44:05.320
Unfair gender expectations, et cetera, whatever.
04:44:15.600
I would argue that is a bigger grievance than all of women's collective grievances combined.
04:44:30.580
That's a bigger grievance, a bigger gender grievance than all of women's collective grievances.
04:44:36.600
No, I mean, I'm kind of veering off here and just saying like whatever the feminists want
04:44:43.000
to say is a terrible grievance upon women, I'm coming and saying, well, actually, this
04:44:48.120
one sole grievance experienced nearly exclusively by men is worse than all of your grievances
04:44:58.640
I mean, they're going to argue, well, in World War II, there was a Soviet sniper force of
04:45:05.240
Yeah, no, no, that would be the Soviet, though.
04:45:07.800
So here in the United States, totally a grievance.
04:45:09.700
Well, I mean, I was even just arguing like worldwide when it came to military conscription,
04:45:14.240
almost all battles dating back thousands of years.
04:45:17.060
It's men have been forced to go to war and die, and women haven't.
04:45:24.580
I'll even say just World War I and World War II, the suffering that men exclusively
04:45:30.700
endured in warfare is a bigger grievance than all of women's historical collective grievances
04:45:46.120
I'll allow you to give me one example that's worse than forced military conscription that
04:46:01.040
Brian, look to the scriptures of Christ and you will see the need of circumcision.
04:46:05.840
When we look at what God himself wants from us, it's necessary.
04:46:10.180
Malek, you're from a Muslim culture, but look to Jesus.
04:46:14.920
Malek came from Orthodox Christianity, if I remember correctly.
04:46:20.640
I'm also Armenian and I grew up with Armenian culture and Armenia was the first Christian
04:46:27.840
I mean, I don't actually know what the Christian position is on circumcision.
04:46:33.800
I don't know, Andrew, if you're able to weigh in on this, but...
04:46:37.800
There's been a big fight about it, especially in the last hundred years.
04:46:46.240
You would need somebody who had more nuance of church affairs than me when it comes to circumcision.
04:46:51.620
But yeah, there's a big fight about it even now.
04:46:53.720
I mean, it occurs to me, though, if you take a secular look at circumcision, you remove
04:47:00.540
I mean, on its own, it occurs to me that it's a rather barbaric practice.
04:47:07.060
But bringing it back to you, okay, state one grievance, one gendered grievance that women
04:47:12.880
have experienced that's worse than forced military conscription.
04:47:16.820
I mean, I guess the outcomes of going to war, the outcomes of what happens with women
04:47:27.300
So Hillary Clinton in the 90s said something along the lines of, women are the primary...
04:47:33.460
I think she said, women and children are the primary victims of war.
04:47:43.260
But do you agree that women are the primary victims of war?
04:48:05.120
Well, so let me try to frame it better, make it a little easier.
04:48:14.880
If you had to choose which sex, would you say it's men or women who are primarily affected
04:48:26.840
Wait, wait, no, no, no, let her answer, go ahead.
04:48:59.400
This is why people shouldn't go to get a master's degree.
04:49:05.740
I think Andrew was asking, why are women the primary victims of war?
04:49:09.880
Well, in the case I'm thinking of, World War II and...
04:49:17.300
Like in Asia, for example, you have men who can fight.
04:49:27.140
Yes, outcome of war, a lot of people die on both sides.
04:49:30.540
There's a lot of cases where nothing can happen, like a nuke, for example, or a bomb.
04:49:36.160
There's a lot of cases where I'm not saying this is generalized for everything, but they
04:49:42.860
had competitions where they would go into villages and R-word the women, kill them after.
04:49:51.440
This happened to children in front of the mothers, things like that, which is...
04:50:03.260
Yeah, I thought she was talking about Vietnam, but...
04:50:16.340
So your position is, because rape occurs in war, women are the primary victims of war.
04:50:22.100
Well, I'm not saying that that is, like, the only...
04:50:30.200
Let's say during World War II, 100,000 women were raped, and 20 million men were killed in World War II.
04:50:39.540
Who's the primary victim of war in World War II?
04:50:46.720
The men are forced to put their life on the line.
04:50:56.020
Okay, but now let's add on the 20 million military deaths.
04:51:01.740
I might have my numbers wrong a little bit here, but...
04:51:05.020
So let's assume military deaths are, like, nearly exclusively male.
04:51:17.020
So you have 20 million male military deaths versus...
04:51:23.020
Let's exclude civilian populations, because there's male civilian populations, too.
04:51:27.740
Let's just say only women are getting raped, right?
04:51:40.460
So let's say there's 20 million male deaths, military deaths, and then there's 100,000 women who are essayed civilians.
04:51:57.420
If you're cutting out civilian casualties to prove this point...
04:52:03.760
Yeah, well, but he can, especially since you're specifically looking at the United States.
04:52:08.880
So, for instance, of the 292,000 members of the U.S. military who were killed by enemy fire, 16 of them total were female.
04:52:21.160
Total, total, total, 16 from the United States for all of World War II, all of it.
04:52:31.360
So, who would you say then was the worst victim of war for, at least for the United States, if you just, like, had to choose?
04:52:43.320
Now, if we were to go stat by stat, nation by nation, you're going to find something very similar to this, because women, you may not know this, are actually usually protected in warfare conditions.
04:52:57.140
Now, it is true that the communists did horrible things to their own population, the populations that they conquered.
04:53:06.700
I mean, they went through Berlin, did horrific things to the women, but still predominantly the ones who suffered the most in even the European nations were men.
04:53:15.660
And, I mean, just the casualty rates alone, as Brian is indicating, were overwhelmingly disproportionate.
04:53:22.780
So, knowing this, knowing this new information, did you maybe want to change your answer?
04:53:41.140
Yeah, if you want to know the disproportionate rate between the two, we can look those stats up for you as well.
04:53:47.880
But under the assumption for a second that it is true that they were disproportionately male, because they were, would you then still concede, or would you say no, women are still the victims, the primary victims?
04:54:01.580
I never even, like, agreed with that original point.
04:54:07.060
And I said, I think all humans are victims of war.
04:54:11.180
Well, no, and then when you modified your answer, you said women, though.
04:54:14.460
No, I modified it because you made me modify it.
04:54:18.340
Well, yeah, what I did was I said if you had to choose between one sex or the other, which would you choose, you said women.
04:54:25.740
So, we're obviously asking that question so we can test your logic as to why you would pick women.
04:54:30.140
I chose that answer, and I said this, is because of what goes on in war.
04:54:35.920
Or the invasion of, like, cities and things like that, where women will get attacked, S.A.
04:54:43.160
They will get S.A.'d, but sometimes up to one-third to two-thirds of the entire civilian population of men are put to the sword.
04:54:51.200
And women usually don't have to deal with that problem.
04:54:53.400
They get carried off as basically trophies, and they get to live.
04:55:05.380
But sometimes that's true, but most of the time it's not true.
04:55:10.220
Most of the time when you're looking at the disproportionate rate of men versus women who are butchered in these massacres, it's still generally men.
04:55:19.040
And the reason for that is because they don't want to leave an enemy at their back of possibly capable, able-bodied soldiers who could come after them.
04:55:29.800
I am saying, in war, I think that what goes on with when they invade certain cities and villages, things like that, I think not being able to defend yourself is very scary, right?
04:55:52.940
You can't defend themselves either, if it's a civilian population.
04:55:59.100
And yet, so the men are the ones, though, that are usually gathered up and systematically exterminated first.
04:56:05.680
It is true that women do have to experience things like SA and things like this, but generally, many, many, many times more of them are allowed to live.
04:56:16.160
Also, you brought up defending yourself, but earlier you said you're against guns.
04:56:23.640
Wait, so again, so who's the primary victim of war?
04:56:35.160
We haven't made a convincing enough case to change your mind at all on this.
04:56:46.840
Before you pull it up, let me just read two chats here.
04:56:55.220
I can smell the chair now, but I know she's not down.
04:56:57.140
I will offer a ring, land with the house, and bearing my seed.
04:57:00.400
Any thoughts on Patrice O'Neill saying men are better than women?
04:57:29.620
She was conservative, but doesn't seem very conservative to me.
04:57:48.480
Just because you are drafted does not mean frontline service.
04:58:07.820
The average lifespan of an American is 80 years.
04:58:11.820
And an 80-year-old today was 10 when World War II was.
04:58:19.060
A soldier who saw battle would have to be in his late 80s, at least today.
04:58:24.300
Generals, political leaders, the decision makers of the war, few are still with us.
04:58:30.460
And over the past few decades, we've seen authors and filmmakers rush to capture stories
04:58:39.260
This project is not about individual war stories.
04:58:53.120
We're going to tally up the tens of millions of people whose lives are cut short by the war.
04:58:57.600
And see how these numbers stack up to other wars in history, including trends in recent
04:59:10.420
We'll be counting soldiers and civilians separately.
04:59:12.880
Each of these figures represents 1,000 people who died.
04:59:23.740
Whereas military deaths were almost entirely men.
04:59:30.900
In most battles, for every 1,000 soldiers killed, there are more than 1,000 who were injured.
04:59:36.180
The word casualty can be confusing, because in military speak, it often includes both deaths
04:59:40.740
and injuries, and anything else that takes a soldier out of service.
05:00:04.700
Most of the deaths occurred in the European theater, fighting the Nazis.
05:00:09.320
And about a quarter were in the Pacific, fighting the Japanese.
05:00:13.500
When you put them on the timeline, you see that casualties were the heaviest at the end
05:00:23.180
But the U.S. wasn't willing to join the fight until Pearl Harbor, two years ago.
05:00:29.000
The deaths increased drastically on D-Day, when the Allies invaded Normandy.
05:00:34.560
One of the most tragic moments of the war was on D-Day at Omaha Beach, where 2,500 Americans
05:00:44.700
So about the same number of U.S. soldiers died on this single beach landing, as the entire
05:00:56.060
The bloodiest battle in the Pacific was Okinawa, which lasted 82 days, during which 12,500 Americans
05:01:03.080
About 5,000 of these deaths were at sea from kamikaze attacks.
05:01:14.800
Now let's look at some other countries, starting with Europe.
05:01:22.580
Germany started World War II when it invaded Poland.
05:01:25.380
Poland ultimately lost 200,000 soldiers in the war.
05:01:30.960
Most died after the invasion while the country was occupied by Germany and the Soviet Union.
05:01:39.640
Germany, meanwhile, lost just 16,000 in the invasion of Poland.
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The Nazis went on to invade and conquer other countries, including Denmark, Belgium, the
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France surrendered, but after losing 92,000 soldiers in the Battle of France.
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Over 200,000 ultimately fell, which includes deaths in POW camps, French colonies, and other
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Yugoslavia suffered almost half a million military deaths.
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The initial invasion brought relatively few casualties on both sides.
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But the deaths mounted under Nazi occupation due to guerrilla fighting, civil conflict, and
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The Nazi invasions were swift, with relatively few German losses.
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Even the Nazi commanders expressed surprise at their success.
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And then we have the United Kingdom in the United States, who were not invaded, but took
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Britain lost about the same number of soldiers as the U.S., which includes the British colonies.
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Germany lost about half a million soldiers fighting the U.S. and Britain in what is known
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as the Western Front, which took place in France and Belgium.
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But most Nazi soldiers died in the Eastern Front, Germany's unsuccessful invasion of the Soviet
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Each one of those is the most famous battle of the Eastern Front, and perhaps the turning
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The German 6th Army successfully took Stalingrad, but then got surrounded by the Soviets, and
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Half a million Nazis would ultimately die in Stalingrad.
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Another 100,000 were taken prisoner, of which 6,000 would ever return.
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POWs had a low survival rate throughout World War II, and it was particularly grim in the East.
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When you include these POWs, all right, all right, uh, you want to revise your answer,
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It didn't, it cut off the civilians immediately, though, to the, talking about civilians.
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But, okay, it also said all those military casualties were almost exclusively men.
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Okay, so what if I told you there were, I don't know how to explain this, um, I thought
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To show you the scale of the military deaths that were experienced exclusively by men, as
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it's stated in the video, that was not convincing to you at all.
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So, your position is still, women are the primary victims of war?
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I thought you pulled up the video so you can show me how many civilian deaths there are
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Brian, would you rather be Australian dollars art or die?
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Well, there are some people, it's hard for them to live after it.
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No, but it's interesting because his thing was,
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well, you're essayed by someone of your same sex.
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So that changes the spectrum around, doesn't it?
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So, like, I would take death before I took the essay by a male.
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But I would not take death before I took the essay by a female, right?
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I mean, look, it ain't ideal, but I want to keep on living.
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It's sad that they're going to have to be orphans, you know?
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But the thing is, though, is that if you add in the dynamic of if it's essay by a woman,
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Okay, so Hulk Hogan as a woman or, like, trans Megan Fox?
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As long as it's an actual female, I think I could deal with it.
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Yeah, I think if it's, you know, the question of give me penis or give me death, it's...
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I don't know if we're going to be able to convince her.
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Andrew, I don't know if you had any further back and forth on the war thing.
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Women are the primary victims of war, according to her.
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She's kind of revised her answers a little bit, so let's try to take the charitable approach.
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Listen, Brian, I get your point about battlefield deaths, but to some extent you are still expressing
05:09:22.220
Men wake up every day to protect and provide for their family.
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I'm not really sure I understand the argument there.
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I think he's saying it's like, if that's the argument, it's like the duty, right?
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What about if they attacked your children and did stuff to your children and then let you
05:10:09.080
Well, I mean, but they're also doing that to a man's child and then let them live, right?
05:10:17.280
The argument is, well, what if they did this to our kids?
05:10:23.780
So, then wouldn't the man also have to deal with the same trauma?
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I mean, he wouldn't be able to witness it in person.
05:10:31.380
Really quick, I just want to address Sisyphus really quick.
05:10:33.960
I think just because men have an instinct to provide and protect for their family doesn't
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mean, like, for example, Vietnam is not viewed as, like, a righteous war historically
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So, a man who got drafted to, for example, Vietnam, you can perhaps make the case that
05:10:57.580
World War II was a bit more righteous, but a man who was drafted to go to Vietnam, like,
05:11:17.660
Well, we were busy getting netted in by the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which turned out to
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When it came to Vietnam, it's like, what are we doing there?
05:11:39.300
But then, like, this moves it back to the point, though, here.
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I'm going to try to do the most charitable thing that I can do.
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So, if the perspective is that women are more oppressed during war than men are, you would
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agree with me that women are not going to be the ones fighting the actual war.
05:12:02.540
So, the ramifications of this are going to be situational.
05:12:07.160
They're going to be based on things like food, possibilities of SA, things like this.
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So, then the question does come down to what Brian is asking, which is, is it preferable
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for a woman or a man to be SA'd or for the life to be taken?
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This does become, then, the pertinent question and the hypothetical.
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So, the question to you is, which one do you think is preferable for most people?
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Do you think that if most people had to choose between SA or death, that they would choose
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Your entire point is based on SA being worse than death.
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Well, I wasn't saying, no, that's not my point at all.
05:12:57.260
I think SA is a part of war and part of what happens to women, but there's other things that
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What are worse things that happen to women than that?
05:13:10.120
Things like that happen to your family members as well.
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How would that be worse than men who are witnessing their best friends getting their faces blown
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They're getting drafted with their best friends?
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No, like, they're going on the battlefield with their buddies and choosing JoJo.
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So the question is, is how is that less traumatic than watching the men around you getting mowed
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I mean, and you also have to understand, too, like, because you made the counter-argument
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Andrew, why would you mention the Gulf of Tonkin?
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Listen, I guarantee you that the girls think that the Gulf of Tonkin is a cocktail.
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You know, I was going to give you credit, and then you ruined everything.
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I believe I do, but I don't want to guess for sake of sounding like an idiot if I'm wrong.
05:14:15.560
Also, just really quick, just on the Sisyphus thing, him saying...
05:14:21.600
Again, like I mentioned, Vietnam War, also the Iraq War.
05:14:25.400
You know, you've got the military-industrial complex.
05:14:30.960
Civilian men are the primary targets from an invading army.
05:14:34.780
The first and most likely to be dispatched because they are most capable of violent resistance.
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So this is an overarching historical theme as well, that generally occupied nations, the first thing that is done is either the young men are compressed into service of the occupier, enslaved in service of the occupier, or outright exterminated.
05:15:01.140
The reason for this is because it eliminates resistance of the people who can resist.
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Generally, women are not exterminated but are carried off instead as trophies or, you know, some other thing happens.
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Here, in this scenario, let's say that in a military conflict, not using any specific one, in a military conflict, 20 million men die in the conflict and 1 million women are acid.
05:15:44.380
So let's just assume that that's the case for all World War I and World War II.
05:16:02.360
So all of these conditions, though, are shared except this one condition, generally.
05:16:07.860
So almost every condition that you're talking about is a shared condition.
05:16:10.860
Starvation would be a shared condition of the populace.
05:16:14.100
If you're talking about watching loved ones die, that would be a shared condition of the populace.
05:16:18.980
All of these would be shared conditions with the exception of this one thing, which is SA.
05:16:24.960
Because anything that you would attribute to a thing bad happening to a female population would be the same exact bad thing that would be happening to the men of that population as well.
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I mean, but wouldn't it kind of somewhat be considered shared?
05:16:41.400
Because it's like the point I was trying to make is that in her argument, she was saying that in the sense of children being a part of that group, the men wouldn't be there to witness it.
05:16:54.260
So it wouldn't be as harsh on them as it would be for the women and the children.
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Imagine if you're in combat and you get a letter that says, hey, your children were slaughtered by the enemy.
05:17:08.060
And you're not even there because you were in the front lines.
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I think that in some ways that might even be worse.
05:17:13.280
That was the point I was trying to make is that, you know, coming home, it's like if you get the chance to come home to find out, you know, your family's gone, whether it be mother, wife, sister, children, whoever, you know, would that entail a worse response and make that more of a reasonable victimhood than the SA itself?
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There's not with what you're talking about here.
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But there is a right answer, I think, when it comes to death versus SA and warfare and who's targeted and who's affected more.
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And it's very clear that men are affected far more by warfare between nations than women are.
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And that's why generally they do it away from their homelands because they want to protect the women.
05:18:17.600
If their homeland is occupied, it's usually the young men who get put to the sword and not the women who instead are considered trophies.
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There's a reason why, you know, when Vikings conquer different areas, they put the men to the sword and took the women with them.
05:18:40.160
They got to live under the capture of new people in that case scenario.
05:18:45.700
Yeah, but wouldn't that be better than the alternative of death?
05:18:50.960
That's more of, again, it's, that would depend on your own mentality of like what you define living is.
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I don't know the extent of your knowledge on World War II, but whatever you know, you know that there's been significant military casualties and it's over 20 million.
05:19:13.880
And given, given, given that you know that in World War II, who would you say was the primary victim of war, men or women?
05:19:32.880
Well, I can't, I can't, it's just, I don't know any of the statistics around it.
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I said women initially saw them as they were women.
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Who's the primary victim of war in World War I?
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How about just all war, if we just add up all the wars together, who's the primary victim of war in general?
05:19:59.040
I don't think either gender should be who's more victimized.
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Think of it from your progressive values of intersectionality during warfare.
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Just think of it as intersectionality during warfare.
05:20:25.500
And then you can determine who's the most oppressed based on all sorts of contributing factors.
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Define which sex is the most oppressed during war.
05:20:46.100
Who is the primary victim of war, men or women?
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And it's based off all the points I already made.
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So if there's a murder case, okay, forget about war.
05:21:09.540
If someone's murdered, all right, and just say the same person who murdered that man.
05:21:15.260
He had a girlfriend and a kid back at home, and now they're single.
05:21:18.160
And she's the single mom because her boyfriend, her husband, was just murdered.
05:21:26.920
That someone got murdered, and now there's a single mom raising a kid alone.
05:21:41.240
So you're, if I have this right, your question to her is, and I, so, okay, you have, do you
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Who's the primary victim of him being murdered?
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Is that your answer, or are you asking a question?
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I think my family members are also victims, yes.
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I'm confused about this point, how it correlates to the last point.
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And I'm a victim, and I have to live on being a victim.
05:22:45.460
Well, which was preferable, like, from the standpoint of you?
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Isn't it preferable that you're still alive in this instance?
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That was actually a very good, that was a very good way to frame it.
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Look, I don't know if we're going to be able to convince her boys.
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No, it's you, you, you guys are friends, right?
05:23:35.640
I was going to say, maybe one of you drive, and then I think this is on Netflix.
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Have her watch, All Quiet on the Western Front, while driving back, and then she can,
05:23:45.380
after seeing the barbarism and brutality of war, maybe, you know, you might think, oh, you
05:23:53.880
know, maybe it was the men who had it a little rougher.
05:23:58.440
Saving Private Ryan, watch the first scene of Saving Private Ryan, that's a good one,
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but the whole All Quiet on the Western Front movie on Netflix, very good.
05:24:06.800
Yeah, but you have to understand that women were riveting screws into pieces of sheet metal,
05:24:15.440
It's, I mean, you can just, you can see that riveting screws into sheet metal and dealing
05:24:20.460
with bloody wounds is the same as storming the beaches of Normandy.
05:24:24.580
Now, that might seem absurd to the average man who's out there listening, but, you know,
05:24:33.260
You know, and things that give you the ick, old man.
05:24:36.360
The ick is how we feel, that's how we're going to do society.
05:24:39.320
I'm shocked this is coming from you as well, because you said you'd rather die than be R-worded.
05:24:51.040
Yeah, there's a distinction, I think, between men in SA and women in SA.
05:24:59.820
There's a distinction to be made under preference, and in this particular condition,
05:25:03.820
I'm not even sure most men would agree with me, it's just my preference is that I would
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It's like a woman's bullet than a man's bullet.
05:25:23.840
How many women do you think have had trench foot?
05:25:30.360
What about, you know, like, mustard gas, you know?
05:25:35.520
Just a little, you know, nine months in the trenches.
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A little nine months, just a little casual nine months in the trenches.
05:25:47.280
How many women did you say died in World War II?
05:25:54.260
I feel like I read there was some Russian or Soviet...
05:26:00.840
Well, I know in World War II, there was like a small group of Soviet soldier, female soldiers,
05:26:07.780
but there might have been a really small something in World War I, but...
05:26:15.520
Jojo, all of your points are, but the woman were sad, but how'd the woman feel?
05:26:33.940
The woman felt immense trauma watching horrible things happen to their children or themselves,
05:26:39.500
They don't even get the opportunity to have an opinion on it.
05:26:44.840
This is a matter of opinion, and you can live with that kind of her opinion.
05:26:49.400
Jojo, you have to promise me you're going to go watch Saving Private Ryan and All Quiet
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You have to promise me you're going to watch that after the show.
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The last thing on the war thing, and then we're going to move on.
05:27:12.520
Are you familiar with the current conflict in Ukraine?
05:27:14.300
It's also about World War II, but it's about women.
05:27:26.660
Were they putting screws in sheet metal in the movie?
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Just the war stories of like four different women.
05:28:03.120
Is there a scene you can give me from the movie that stands out to you?
05:28:19.440
They had to travel a long distance to avoid the soldiers who were raiding the villages in
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Is this where you got your knowledge on the war about from that movie?
05:28:42.700
I did not feel like all of your knowledge on the war was from that movie now, that you
05:28:48.560
This is going to be the craziest drive home ever.
05:29:00.620
In relation to oppression, a new take is poor men shouldn't be allowed to date, marry, have
05:29:05.700
If you can't afford a date, stay single, and work on yourself.
05:29:10.600
Going around the table on this, and then I'll come back really quick on one thing.
05:29:15.080
I think that's crazy, but I kind of said that earlier.
05:29:23.020
Um, I say that if, I mean, if you're not financially stable, one, you probably shouldn't be having
05:29:27.320
kids, but I mean, you should be able to date as long as you're working on yourself.
05:29:39.340
I mean, obviously you can date, but I don't think you should.
05:29:42.160
If you don't have anything in your life established, you should work on yourself before looking
05:29:48.180
I think it's not just specific to men, but yeah, if you can't afford anything, dates
05:29:53.020
probably wouldn't be fun, and you probably should work on yourself.
05:29:58.400
Um, I believe that they should be able to date still, maybe not have a family and maybe
05:30:15.640
I don't think you have to have your life established before you get into relationship.
05:30:19.460
I think you could get into relationship and establish.
05:30:22.200
It's specifically said about having children, too.
05:30:26.540
Like, you should get your life sorted, or have a partner that has their life sorted,
05:30:33.240
If it's fair for a woman to say that poor men shouldn't be allowed to date, then is it
05:30:40.520
okay for men to say that women who weigh over 150 pounds shouldn't date?
05:31:10.440
You can literally see my ribs through my shirt.
05:31:16.940
I'm just saying, if it's okay for women to say it, is it okay for men to say that?
05:31:24.540
If you say, oh, men shouldn't date fat women, then women shouldn't date fat men.
05:31:33.320
So, really quick, what's going on in Ukraine, okay?
05:31:39.440
So, all the Ukraine, all the Ukrainian women, get this, right?
05:31:44.340
All the Ukrainian women could leave the country.
05:31:49.520
All the men from, it was like 18 to 60, maybe 65, I forgot exactly what.
05:32:01.720
So, in Ukraine, this current conflict, who would you say is the primary victim of the
05:32:10.820
Ukrainian war, men or women, knowing that I just told you that all the women could leave
05:32:18.300
And the vast majority of the military casualties are men in the current conflict.
05:32:32.160
I had to use something modern, something recent.
05:32:35.320
And you know what's funny about the Ukrainian war?
05:32:41.020
Malik, do you have any more of those bananas so we can give her a treat?
05:32:57.700
Now you can go tell your feminist friends about it and they can all be upset.
05:33:08.800
My total point, my opinion is about fairness, right?
05:33:18.220
So, what if I told you that all the women, a lot of women, Ukrainian women, they went off
05:33:25.760
to Stockholm and Sweden and the UK, France, wherever.
05:33:31.880
They were up on Tinder and up in the club while the males in Ukraine were getting decimated,
05:33:44.200
If, in a case scenario, you're saying every woman from Ukraine is parting it up in the club...
05:33:49.840
9-538 donated $100, sober from heroin since March 2016.
05:33:57.740
For the one leaving a relationship ship with an addict, they have non-AA slash non-NAR meetings
05:34:03.440
in California called ACA, and for some, that is a helpful transition onward.
05:34:16.440
In the case where every woman is parting it up in all these other countries...
05:34:20.860
That's what you've said, and the men are fighting in the war, in the trenches.
05:34:34.080
I don't think you've still stated a bigger female grievance compared to...
05:34:40.020
Because my original point where this all stemmed from was that forced military conscription,
05:34:44.840
the sort of gendered participation of men in the military, is a bigger grievance...
05:34:53.560
Bigger grievance than all of women's collective grievances combined.
05:35:22.440
But you failed to state a grievance that is worse than forced military conscription.
05:35:32.360
Or, statistically, how many times have men been drafted to go to war?
05:35:43.020
Men have been drafted, but women get to stay home.
05:35:48.680
It is literally a war crime to attack women while men get shot.
05:35:57.920
The only thing women get forced to do is jury duty.
05:36:21.160
It happens when it's really, really, really bad.
05:36:24.960
And then women are not forced to get sent off to war for various reasons.
05:36:31.260
Well, my point is, with this, is there's daily things that happen, right?
05:36:43.540
And that almost exclusively is targeted towards women, correct?
05:36:52.120
In the beaches of Normandy, that's like catcalling.
05:36:54.560
Let's say catcalling happens to thousands of women a day.
05:37:13.800
I'm going to have to say definitely the catcalling.
05:37:33.080
When a Mexican general is invited to invade a country and his only answer is C, holy F.
05:37:38.920
I feel like a naked man at the wall of the Alamo.
05:37:48.720
To the five-foot guy, forget these delusional, westernized female standards.
05:37:53.780
You build and protect the world they live in, and that makes you.
05:37:56.680
Better than them, none of these girls deserve what they asked for.
05:37:59.660
Leave America so your height and money won't matter.
05:38:04.200
The money will still probably matter, not going to lie.
05:38:16.980
She's talking about, essentially, the D.C., Washington areas.
05:38:21.120
Most of Iran has lots of respect for female autonomy.
05:38:28.940
I just used Iran as an example, because you do see this happening a lot in Iran.
05:38:52.460
I was using this, that as an example, that Jojo said she felt oppressed.
05:39:03.980
And I said actual women being oppressed, you would see in the Middle East,
05:39:13.800
No, by the standard, like, by oppression in general.
05:39:30.560
No, I don't think men and women should be equal, but they should have equal rights.
05:39:37.380
Honestly, I don't know the exact definition of egalitarianism.
05:39:42.360
Well, it's really strange, because earlier you said that feminism, from your purview, was egalitarianism.
05:39:47.340
And here you are, saying that you're not a feminist, but want egalitarianism.
05:39:57.740
Did you not define feminism as being egalitarianism?
05:40:02.300
I was asking if Brian would consider it egalitarianism.
05:40:05.720
What do you consider it to be, if it's not egalitarianism, then?
05:40:09.800
I think feminism is the idea that men and women should be equal.
05:40:18.100
Being equal and having equal rights are not the same thing.
05:40:24.380
Here, let's pull up a definition now of egalitarianism.
05:40:28.060
If you had to guess, what would you say that it meant?
05:40:37.420
So the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights, that is the definition
05:40:43.740
of egalitarianism that you believe in, and you've said that egalitarianism was feminism.
05:41:01.540
I think that men and women should have equal rights.
05:41:10.840
Well, then define what egalitarianism means and how it's not...
05:41:15.640
So you just read the definition that egalitarianism means equality.
05:41:22.140
It's the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights.
05:41:28.320
I think all people should have equal rights, but I do not think men and women are equal.
05:41:32.760
For instance, with the war example that we've been arguing with about for the past hour
05:41:37.880
or so, men getting drafted into war should never be something women do not belong on the
05:41:45.420
I don't think they should be completely equal in every right.
05:41:49.820
All that that sounds like is a pushback against equal rights.
05:41:55.020
What is the point you're trying to make, Andrew?
05:41:57.100
My point is, is that if you define egalitarianism as feminism and you believe in egalitarianism...
05:42:02.640
Which is broadly defined not as equity, but is defined specifically as equal rights...
05:42:20.800
Feminism, my understanding of it, which you said I'm incorrect on, by the way, but feminism
05:42:27.120
Yes, I was right about that too, but I'm just saying by your standards.
05:42:30.080
But you have educated me that feminism means a female supremacy.
05:42:40.520
So then, if that's true, then your earlier definition of egalitarianism being feminism
05:42:45.860
was incorrect when Brian told you it was incorrect, and you were arguing with him about it being
05:42:53.880
I asked Brian if he would consider that the same.
05:42:56.860
I never, to my memory, stated feminism is egalitarianism.
05:43:00.520
Oh, no, the reason you were in the argument is because you stated emphatically that that's
05:43:04.600
what feminism was, and Brian said, but pushed back and said, no, no, no, that's not feminism.
05:43:09.400
It doesn't just mean egalitarianism, and you were like, no, it does.
05:43:15.240
I take notes through this whole thing so that I have good timestamps for my show.
05:43:21.060
Like I just stated, my understanding of feminism was extreme equality on both rights and gender
05:43:36.240
I'm not taking the L because I'm not wrong, Brian.
05:43:44.540
Just for the sake of time, I do have to move on here.
05:43:48.660
To change the subject, let's talk about how men's mental health isn't talked about, nor
05:43:56.520
I, how a man can be falsely accused of SA, and the only thing that happens is a man's
05:44:05.660
A lot of men having their lives ruined over a lie.
05:44:12.680
A lot of real G's doing time, because a groupie bit the truth and told a lie.
05:44:28.760
Yeah, it's, no, but false accusations, absolutely terrible, ruined men's lives, and certain types
05:44:38.800
of accusations seem to be just by mere virtue of the accusations being made are, even without
05:44:49.580
How many great, yeah, how many great men have had, okay, anyways, can you read this one?
05:44:58.260
The primary victims of war are men, but girl in red hair is an ideologue, is that a word?
05:45:05.460
You would pass any communications class in American college with A+, retired, hashed, USN,
05:45:14.280
If you want to respond to this, they're calling you an ideologue, perhaps you're even a zealot,
05:45:25.680
One in the chat for zealot, two in the chat for not zealot.
05:45:32.540
You can give me a definition based off your brain.
05:45:38.600
You have, a zealot is someone who has special zeal without there being any actual, now I'm
05:45:53.620
Somebody who strongly believes something, whether it's true or not.
05:46:03.120
Oh God, I'm using a word I can't precisely define.
05:46:14.160
A person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or
05:46:24.180
I'm going to be generous here and say that I actually was not too far off the mark.
05:46:31.720
Someone who has a little bit of zest, zeal, whatever, zeal.
05:46:45.920
Anyone who wants to identify themselves as a woman.
05:47:05.920
So a woman is somebody who identifies as a woman.
05:47:15.960
No, well you gave this pretty much the same answer.
05:47:23.740
Your answer was, a woman is anybody who identifies as a woman?
05:47:29.200
I just don't think, like, I'm in a position to dictate how others feel.
05:47:44.420
A woman is a biological female or someone who completely transitions into a woman.
05:48:12.200
I wouldn't necessarily say, like, bottom surgery for sure, but, like...
05:48:27.840
But I also agree because there's women, but there's also trans women, which you're asking,
05:48:56.720
A woman is an individual whose sex corresponds with that of the only sex which can produce
05:49:11.220
So if you can't produce offspring, you're not a female?
05:49:13.880
There's some females who can't produce offspring, right?
05:49:19.720
So the definition is the sex which is associated with the sex which can reproduce and have
05:49:44.860
We'll do it that way if you want to keep pedantic about it.
05:49:48.000
The sex which can conceive young and is associated with that which can conceive young.
05:50:10.720
But you two were kind of saying, well, if they've gone through the transition, then
05:50:17.820
Especially nowadays, there's a lot of people who will...
05:50:19.900
Like, they will claim trans, but not transition.
05:50:34.760
Like, I wouldn't sit there and be like, you're a real woman, but I wouldn't sit there and
05:50:49.880
Is it straight as a heterosexual man to date a trans woman?
05:51:08.600
As a heterosexual man, if I were to date a trans woman, is that straight?
05:51:19.920
I mean, if you consider yourself straight and you're dating a biological man, then...
05:51:28.780
You're attracted to the female presence, so I think so.
05:51:46.560
So, it's obviously not straight if you're having sex with anything...
05:51:52.040
If you're having sex in any other circumstance than a heterosexual sex with two opposite genders.
05:51:57.500
I, using logic of certain people, could present myself as a feminine presenting gay trans man.
05:52:08.500
What is stopping me from presenting myself and identifying as a feminine presenting gay trans man?
05:52:17.380
Because if I'm a gay trans man, it means I'm still attracted to men, but I'm feminine presenting...
05:52:26.520
And then if I have sex with a man as a feminine presenting gay trans man, that is not gay sex.
05:52:36.400
You just go around the table and ask a single question.
05:53:02.740
To me, personally, I don't consider that straight sex.
05:53:06.840
I think anything outside of heterosexual sex is...
05:53:13.480
Where you accept everything or anything as it is.
05:53:28.260
Is there any scenario where that man can claim to be straight?
05:53:36.020
I think the disconnect a lot of times is that...
05:53:50.100
That's, I guess, you and your partner's business.
05:54:33.680
What I'm saying is that if there is a person or a trans woman just going about their day,
05:54:41.300
whatever, and you didn't know that they were a trans woman, I would say socially that they
05:54:46.200
could be considered a woman just for the sake of just being...
05:54:51.780
So, if I showed up at a party and I pulled a rabbit out of a hat, does that mean that
05:55:06.540
If you can trick people, right, if you can trick them.
05:55:15.000
So, if you presented yourself as a black man, would that be the fact of the matter or
05:55:22.520
So, I guess maybe I miscommunicated of, like, you cannot physically become...
05:55:29.880
Oh, then how come a man can physically become a woman ever?
05:55:39.200
That just means that they're tricking you, right?
05:55:43.940
So, what you're saying is that there are some people out there who can trick you into
05:55:59.940
I don't think that it would be considered heterosexual.
05:56:08.040
I mean, if they were fully transitioned, that's...
05:56:10.240
If they were fully transitioned, that would be a hard question.
05:56:26.080
If they knew the fact that they were, like, fully transitioned and they knew that they
05:56:44.800
If you're fully transitioned organs and everything and you didn't communicate...
05:56:48.860
Well, I mean, there is an example of that, though.
05:56:53.240
I wouldn't say well-known trans woman, but I'm not too big in the community, so I'm not
05:56:58.180
But she actually said she, you know, didn't tell a man for about two months, and he had
05:57:07.280
But she had bottom surgery, and they were sexual with each other, and she didn't tell
05:57:24.160
You said, going back to you, you said that it would be straight.
05:57:29.880
For a man, a male, to date, have sex with a trans woman.
05:57:43.520
I think it depends on the surgery, post-op, after all.
05:58:04.540
Oh, well, because you said it was just, if you're a male dating a trans woman, that's
05:58:13.000
But, I mean, a trans woman could still have a peen.
05:58:22.880
So, in this concept, when we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship.
05:58:30.260
You would agree that these people have not changed their sex, correct?
05:58:48.420
You would agree that these people have not changed their sex, correct?
05:58:52.680
You can argue they've changed their gender, but you would never argue they changed their
05:58:57.960
Yeah, so if that's the case, then they would be in a homosexual relationship.
05:59:03.580
Straight is a short-form slang for heterosexual.
05:59:06.880
So, how could this ever be a heterosexual relationship if they're the same sex?
05:59:13.300
I just want to respect people, and if a man is dating someone who is a trans woman, I think
05:59:21.820
if they identify as straight, why would I dictate it otherwise?
05:59:26.820
Well, because you can have words which operate only under two modes, really.
05:59:44.260
It's not particularly the name itself is not pointing at anything.
05:59:47.580
Now, him, himself, as an identifier, can point to him specifically.
05:59:52.620
When you say homosexual, that is a label which has meaning.
05:59:59.800
Heterosexual is pointing to something else, right?
06:00:04.580
So, the question then becomes, if you conflate and make a category error out of this and say,
06:00:11.760
people who are the same sex are actually people who are opposite sex, now we have a word concept fallacy.
06:00:18.060
So, I need to understand why it is that out of respect you're going to yield to them that this thing is true, which is categorically false.
06:00:27.340
Well, the reason I do that is because I think it's easier for me to just change my language or change how you don't think it's easier.
06:00:42.440
No, just to respect what they want to be called.
06:00:44.700
If Brian wanted to go by the name Paul, I would call him Paul.
06:00:47.800
Yes, but I already explained to you the distinction in names.
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And it's because words are designed to convey information.
06:00:59.960
When I say the word cat to you, does the word cat point to something?
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Can you tell me what the word cat is pointing at?
06:01:12.340
No amount of data, reasoning, or logic will change leftist women's mind.
06:01:26.500
Yeah, well, I couldn't agree with the super chat or more that leftist women are the scourge of the earth.
06:01:31.520
But back to this, when I say the word cat, what am I pointing at?
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A feline with little pointy ears most of the time.
06:01:47.160
It's got fur, it's got four legs usually, right?
06:01:50.800
So I've conveyed all of that information to you with a single word, haven't I?
06:01:56.500
Okay, so how come when I say the word homosexual, there's suddenly confusion?
06:02:04.360
Other than if you know what the word means and you know what it's pointing to and somebody says, I'm not that thing, how are they not lying?
06:02:10.240
But that's, it's funny that you think they're lying.
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What if they, like, how do you know what goes on in, like, their bedroom life?
06:02:20.080
What if they don't, don't even, why is that your issue?
06:02:35.520
If you claimed that you were a black woman, would you be telling the truth or would you be lying?
06:02:41.960
Okay, well then why wouldn't the same exact thing be true in the case of homo versus heterosexual, knowing that these categories are also indicating the same thing, which is a biological reality, which is associated with those words?
06:03:03.260
I don't care about if someone tells me a lie, no.
06:03:11.800
Hang on, I just want to make sure I'm clear on this.
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I don't care if, like, someone wants to identify as trans.
06:03:27.380
It was cleverly done, but I caught on to it quickly.
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The general public, if a random person lies to me, no.
06:03:41.160
So, if you have a friend who is a friend of yours, do you care if they lie to you?
06:03:51.560
So, if your family member came to you and lied about being black, would you care?
06:03:55.280
It would be a little concerning why they randomly started saying that.
06:04:02.960
Would it be concerning because they're suffering clearly from something which is a delusion?
06:04:13.040
What do you mean you're not going to answer that?
06:04:14.360
Why would it be concerning if one of your family members came to you and said that they were a black man if they were a white woman?
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I, again, I don't know why this is such a honed-in conversation.
06:04:27.960
I really just, to be nice, I don't like saying a crazy opinion on this because I think it's...
06:04:34.960
Yeah, I already know what your feelings are in the matter.
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Why would it be concerning to you if a family member came to you and misidentified their race?
06:05:01.900
Why would them not being that thing be of concern to you?
06:05:07.960
Why would it, yeah, why would it be of concern to you that somebody came to you and said this thing to you?
06:05:18.300
But then why did you just say you would be concerned by it?
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I would be concerned because they are identifying as a race that they're not.
06:05:29.540
So that would spring delusion inside of your brain.
06:05:33.740
There's no other reason you could possibly give for why that would be concerning.
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But delusion and a lie is a little bit different, don't you think?
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But someone who's actually delusional and is having a mental crisis is very different.
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What do you consider it to be delusional if one of your family members who was a white woman came over to you and said that they were a black man?
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Because they're lying to you and telling you that there's something that they are not.
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Because you're like, hey, you just want to respect them.
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I personally believe you can respect and not accept delusion.
06:06:37.520
So would you accept any person who identifies as, no matter what severity of their transition they are?
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So if a guy has a beard, if Brian threw out a wig, you would accept him if he wanted to be identified as a woman?
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What makes it more acceptable for someone to change their gender?
06:07:07.000
If we want to do the gender argument, people argue gender is like a construct, right?
06:07:14.180
Yeah, but race is a construct from your worldview, too.
06:07:39.580
From your worldview, and there's nothing here that's DOS, Brian, or Promise, from your worldview,
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Not necessarily, no, because it's dependent on locationally a lot.
06:08:07.220
But race, from the worldview of you, the leftist, does not exist.
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So if that is true, and it's not a biological reality, it's just a social construction, just
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like gender is, you would have to explain why in the world it is that you would be willing
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to concede to one of these delusions, but not the other.
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I think it's because with a race, there's a lot more behind it than just wanting to identify
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No, because there's things that go along with race in general.
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Like, there is, like racism, the idea of racism.
06:08:59.100
Yeah, but like the idea of transphobia, it would be the same exact thing, right?
06:09:02.480
You can have a social construction, and then you can have a bias against the social construction.
06:09:06.020
It doesn't make it any less of a social construction.
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Just for the sake of time here, just, again, I'm trying to get a little bit...
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At what point is respecting the person actually calling out their delusion or lie?
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Is it really respect to play along with their mental illness?
06:09:40.940
So, a male S-ing the D of a trans woman, is that heterosexual?
06:10:06.040
No, because earlier I asked if it's straight as a heterosexual man to date a trans woman,
06:10:15.560
Well, some people don't even have sex before marriage, right?
06:10:28.480
Before you leave, let me see if I can actually, very quickly, I know we had some pre-show
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I think we hit all your notes, so I know it's late.
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You weren't as scary as I thought you were gonna be.
06:10:59.120
I said you weren't as scary as I thought you were going to be.
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Wait, as a plug, whatever clips, that's where it comes from.
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You're very well articulated with your words, and I'm not.
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Like, you're just gonna drop that, and then you're gonna leave?
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You gotta stay at least for another 15 minutes.
06:11:51.620
Okay, so going around the table, what's your body count?
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There was no concept of race prior to the advent of the American racial construct.
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People were separated by cultural, tribal, and linguistic boundaries.
06:13:06.820
This was an example which was used to point out absurdity, not an example which was used
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To answer this guy's question first, body count does not matter to reasons.
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Maybe for women it does because you get emotionally attached to somebody, right?
06:13:27.540
But in general, I don't think it matters because that doesn't play a part as to, like, who that
06:13:45.500
So, okay, you're saying that has no bearing on how they're going to behave in a relationship
06:14:00.540
I meant that if somebody has a high body count, that doesn't mean that they're, like, it's
06:14:05.440
going to make them be a certain type of person in a relationship.
06:14:25.080
You meet a guy and you find out that he cheated on his past three girlfriends.
06:14:31.680
Uh, does his past behavior make you take pause on potentially partnering with him?
06:14:42.460
But wouldn't that be the cheating, not the amount of body count?
06:14:45.780
That would be, like, the action of cheating, not the amount of body count.
06:14:47.980
Right, and there's also the action of being promiscuous.
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I think that somebody that's genuinely promiscuous might be more prone to said actions, but, again, it just really depends.
06:15:00.400
I don't think that that has anything to do with the amount of people that you sleep with, because there's also a notion that, like, okay, what if I have 20 boyfriends and I sleep with those 20 boyfriends and my body count is 20?
06:15:15.880
Yeah, I get it, I understand, but let's ask if it's a slightly different way.
06:15:22.540
Let me just ask you if there was a woman, there's two women that you know, they're both friends of yours.
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One has been with the same man for 19 years, and one has been with 19 men every year.
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Which one would you think would be more likely, if they, you know, got together with a new partner, to be loyal to them?
06:15:46.300
If somebody were to sleep with 19 men, and then one woman sleeping.
06:15:51.300
No, no, let me, let me rephrase, let me rephrase it again.
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A woman has been with the same partner for 19 years, and now she's no longer with that partner.
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Another woman that you know has been with 19 partners every year.
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Which one would you, if you had to gamble, if you had to roll all of your dice on one, which one would you say would be more likely to be more promiscuous and step out of the relationship?
06:16:20.420
Um, well, I know the answer that you want me to give, but if somebody who is sleeping with multiple people, and they have not been in a relationship, and then they finally decide to be in a relationship, I would say that that's for a reason.
06:16:36.880
Now, if you have one person that has slept with one man several times, and they get into another relationship, they might be equally loyal to that person, or they might also want to have...
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Which one would you roll the dice on, is the question?
06:16:56.360
Uh, well, I mean, I would roll the dice with the person that was in the longest relationship, because they become accustomed to being in a long relationship.
06:17:04.240
So then, this would, this would conclude for this, then, that body count must at least matter to some degree to you.
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Because, yeah, and the alternative, if, well, but you just said it didn't, I thought.
06:17:20.320
I don't think, it matters, yes, but it doesn't matter in choosing a partner.
06:17:28.420
It wouldn't matter in choosing a partner if you're saying that the traits of the body count itself, if you had to gamble,
06:17:32.480
would indicate more loyalty, that seems like that would be something that would be very keyed in if you were choosing a partner.
06:17:38.880
If I were to look at a man and know that that man has slept with several women, I wouldn't solely base it off of the body count.
06:17:46.580
Yeah, but how come when the gamble was on women that you indicated that you thought that the loyalty would be higher for the woman with a lesser body count?
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My answer would be the same if you put that scenario as a man.
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But even then, the question still stands, which is, why is it, if this thing doesn't matter, do you indicate loyalty with the thing?
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Well, it's like the comment that I said, people are usually looking for something greener, like the greener grass on the other side of the fence or whatever.
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Once you've been with more people, you tend to have more people that you compare your partners with, right?
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I'm not saying you're an evil person because you had a high body count.
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I'm definitely saying that it's not a monolith.
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I'm just saying that you yourself associate loyalty with a low body count.
06:18:44.940
I still wouldn't use body count and base it to choose a partner.
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But if that's true, that you associate loyalty with a lower body count, then don't you think it is pertinent for partner choosing if they're looking for the quality of loyalty?
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I mean, it's possible, or I can also associate it to somebody wanting to possibly be more prone to wanting to get other partners if they've only been with one person.
06:19:11.460
You could, but if you had to gamble, you wouldn't.
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But, you know, in life, it's sometimes a bad idea to gamble, and you want to, like, take all the facts into consideration.
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It could be, as long as both parties are actively choosing to be together, regardless of body count.
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If you have to roll the hard six, you're going to roll it on the person with the least body count, which tells me that it matters, and every relationship is a gamble.
06:19:40.980
So it sounds like if loyalty is the issue here, and it is a big issue in relationships, that you yourself would associate body count with loyalty.
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But it wouldn't be solely, I wouldn't solely base my choosing of that person based off of body count.
06:19:59.860
My advice to men is don't date women with high body counts.
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I don't really think body count has to do with loyalty, though.
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You can have been promiscuous in the past and still know how to be loyal, but you can also have, like, a really low body count and have not been loyal and able to commit in any of those.
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But, I mean, the more that you have, the more partners that you have, the more you have to, like, compare other people with.
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And I think that's one of the really, like, one of the biggest problems that there is now is that you can pick up your phone and swipe right or swipe left and have all of these different options.
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And so, you've been with 20, 30 people, but you're with your partner and you're constantly nitpicking as to, oh, well, he doesn't do what, I don't know, this other guy that I dated with.
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Or, and he doesn't look like this other guy that I dated looks like.
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So, there's always going to be, like, yeah, there's always going to be some type of comparison.
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Would you say that promiscuity itself is a character flaw?
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One, I'm just taking myself into consideration here.
06:21:22.540
If I were to sleep with multiple people, I would be attached to those people.
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So, I feel like I would be emotionally attached to those people.
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Sex means different to me than what I believe sex means to a man.
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So, I understand that you would drive the distinction between the sexes.
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So, then, would you consider it a character flaw in women?
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Would you consider promiscuity to be a character flaw in a woman?
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That it would, in some way, enroach upon the character of the woman that they were engaging in promiscuity.
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Do you think, do you consider that to be a flaw of character, or do you consider it to not be a flaw of character?
06:22:19.500
That's one of the reasons why I'm not really...
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Do you think it speaks poorly on their character?
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So, then, promiscuity to you would not be a character flaw.
06:22:31.760
So, I think, so, again, for me, I don't engage in the hookup culture, but I'm also not going to sit here and tell the woman in front of me that does engage in hookup culture that she's flawed or, like, shame her for it.
06:22:51.080
Um, a lot of it has to do with, like, religious standpoints, political standpoints, or maybe it's, like, maybe you believe that, I don't know, there's energy in having sex, like, all those people that are, like, super, um, like, spiritual or whatever.
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I'm not going to shame somebody for it, but I'm not going to engage...
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Don't, don't date women with a high body count.
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I know if you got a piece out, I know you got to.
06:23:54.400
Bella, you said your last relationship is a good insight to young girls trying to find
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I'm going to try to wrap in a shorter period, but...
06:24:31.340
I'm really trying to wrap this show up soon, so go ahead.
06:24:36.060
So, basically, it was just young, high school sweetheart love.
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We were the same age at the time, but he had just turned 17, and he actually ended up doing
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some illegal stuff, getting caught up, and I decided I was going to be, you know, Captain
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Save-A-Ho and do a whole bunch of stuff to try to get him out of trouble, which was really
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bad because I'm 16, don't know what I'm doing when it comes to the law, and it kind of just
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turned into a downward spiral of four and a half years of just back and forth, mental
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drain, emotional drain, and there was a lot of infidelity that wasn't tied into it, and
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there was a lot of, like, back and forth, and it just was what everybody had made seem
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so good on, like, Instagram, TikTok, whatever, like, oh, get you a thug because, you know,
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they'll protect you, blah, blah, blah, blah, but they don't really talk about, like, the
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downside of what that does to, you know, a partner if they're not raised correctly or
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if they're not considerate or things along those lines, and it just, it really took a
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toll on me as a young woman, and it kind of changed my outlook.
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Like, that's why younger, when I was younger, I don't consider myself traditional at all.
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I did a lot of stuff that I definitely shouldn't have done, especially at such a young age,
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and now that I'm older, I look back, and I change a lot of my views.
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That's why, like, I think body count does matter because, you know, your past will come back
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to haunt you, and I've had that conversation with my boyfriend before, you know, like, hey,
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you know, if I had a different body count, would you look at me differently?
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I mean, we've been honest and said yes, of course, and it just, there's a lot of things
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that I look back and I regret, especially in regards to that relationship.
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Yeah, I don't regret him or meeting him because I feel like it was definitely a good lesson.
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Yeah, before me, he was dealing, and then when he was with me, he was stealing, doing
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If you want to get really, yeah, I'm really specific.
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Yeah, so he was doing that, and it did get to a point where it just came to a head, and
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he got caught up, and he did go away for eight months, yeah, eight months.
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Yeah, so he, when it all happened, I was actually in summer school before my senior year of high
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school, and he was supposed to come pick me up from summer school, and I ended up having
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to get a ride because he had lied and said he was doing something else.
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Yes, and when I had finally gotten home, he actually called me to basically write his
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report to the police to try to con them out of knowing it was him, and it was a whole big
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thing, and I eventually got dragged into it, obviously, because I filed a false police
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report, which is against law, so there was a whole lot that went into it, but I learned
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my lesson very quickly in about 48 hours after talking to detectives, and they're like,
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hey, this isn't really a good idea since we know where you were and everything that
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was going on, so it was just all, it was a whole, at 16, it definitely was a very big
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eye-opening experience of what type of life I was going into, and it just wasn't, it wasn't
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portrayed to me the same way that it was portrayed to me prior, like it wasn't happening
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in the same way that it was portrayed to me, if that makes sense.
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Advice to the women, don't date men who are involved in criminal activity.
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Yeah, just like kind of seems like it's self-evident, but.
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Yeah, that, you know, just given like the real, you know, nuanced takes here on dating.
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Uh, bringing it over to Michaela, you said something about the not knowing thing.
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Um, not to disparage this person that I dated, but basically I was dating this guy for.
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Uh, basically for like six months, and we have had, oh, we've had sex before, whatever,
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and like one week goes by after, and basically, I don't know how to say this PG, but finishes
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within me, and didn't tell me until one week later.
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And you were, you were on birth control, correct?
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Yes, and then his excuse, like, if this is the first time I ever saw this man like sob,
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and he was like, I didn't know, like my previous girlfriend said that she was on the IUD,
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so when you said you were on the pill, I thought it was fine.
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And I guess my, in the pre-show notes, it was a joke of the question, like malicious
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But yeah, I guess I just brought it up because it was just baffling that, again, if he was
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a complete asshole, and was like, yeah, I did that, whatever, but he was very remorseful
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for it, it seemed, but it seemed like he just did not know this info, so.
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I mean, yeah, my, I mean, my point of view on this is that both parties should be checking
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in on this, like, so as a guy, if you're inclined to do that, you know, you should, assuming,
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you know, you're, in your situation, you said you were on birth control, so there's a mitigated
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risk of, or very small risk of pregnancy, but I do think on the guy's end, it's quite
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polite to perhaps ask, but also, I think, as the woman, you should, if you don't want
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the guy to come inside you, you should probably overtly state, if you've communicated to him
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that you're on birth control, I do think you should also, as the woman, also perhaps make
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a statement of, hey, I'm, but don't, I don't want you to come inside me, that might, I think,
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both the men, the men and the women should both make a communication on that front.
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So, the women that you have dated, have you, do you just automatically assume that if they're
06:30:55.200
Um, I mean, I typically, I, I mean, I'd have, I can't, I'm trying to remember here.
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Like, is it, like, okay, yes, there's always a risk of pregnancy with unprotected sex, and
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if you're on birth control, like, the, um, effectiveness, it varies by method, but is it,
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I would typically, like, ask, I think I would ask, yeah.
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That's what I wanted to know, because, I would ask, I would check.
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I just don't think a man should be coming inside any woman unless they're trying to get them
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I mean, if she's on, hey, hey, Spencer, what's up?
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Is that the automatic pass for, like, yep, you don't have to tell me, you don't even have
06:31:44.100
No, I mean, I, some, some women can be on birth control and still don't want you to blast.
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So, I would, yeah, I would, like, I would ask, but sometimes they'll be, like, go for
06:31:55.420
Yeah, I feel like that's why I'd be on birth control, like, so that that can happen.
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Some people are on that, um, for health condition.
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I think, like Madison said, just men should never assume that a woman's okay with him finishing
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And if it's not communicated, it's generally safe on the man's behalf just to not do it.
06:32:14.380
Look, yeah, I think the guy should probably do a check-in, but I also think, as the woman,
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if you're having, like, because I'm assuming there's a pre-conversation of we're not wearing
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So, I do think that, I do think women should, if you don't want the guy to come inside you,
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I think it's on both parties to communicate, but if it's not communicated prior, men should
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not just assume that it's okay to finish inside.
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I think men ought to err on the side of caution and just should ask.
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Or even not in the moment, just, like, the morning after.
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Like, if you don't want to ruin the moment, like, have a morning after.
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I don't think it would ruin, I don't think it would ruin the moment.
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I'm just saying, like, that is an excuse I've heard before, of, like, oh, that's.
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I mean, you could probably even, like, try to weave it into dirty talk or something.
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Like, you could probably, you could probably ask the question in a kind of organic, sexy way.
06:33:28.400
Well, that probably wouldn't be so sexy, but you should still do it.
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It's very easy to just pull out and put it in her mouth.
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A lot of people see asking for consent as a turnoff, whether it's finishing inside, making out, whatever.
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Well, for example, like with a first kiss, right?
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You'll ask girls question, or you'll ask on the show, for example, you'll ask, well, would
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you prefer a guy to just go for the first kiss, or would you prefer him to, like, ask for permission?
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Most women are, like a lot, a lot of women have said, no, he should just go for it.
06:34:35.500
Yeah, there's extents to body language, there's how well you knew the person, but I think generally,
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unless you do it in such a nerdy, awkward way, asking for consent is never going to be
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If we were, like, hanging out, you're like, can I make out with you right now?
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That's what if you do it already, but if you do it already, anyway...
06:35:04.480
So, on the contrary, if you were hanging out with a guy that you had mentally friend-zoned,
06:35:09.140
but you're hanging out, you're laughing, you're having good vibes, he just went in for the
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I'd be like, please don't ever do that again, but I'm not, like, I'm not going to sue him.
06:35:19.120
No, yeah, obviously, but, like, in that instance, you would have preferred if he asked,
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I think that, yeah, you know, both people should try to communicate.
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And then the girl could maybe be like, I am on birth control and I'm allowing you to hit
06:35:49.460
it raw, but despite this, eh, maybe you could not blast inside, you know.
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It's a little worried, but pull it out and put it in your mouth.
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I could even see girls lying about just, like, being okay with it, too.
06:36:14.880
No man has been drafted in the U.S. since Vietnam.
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Men are still made to sign up for the draft in case of World War III, where everyone dies.
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Hence, this does not support the argument that men are oppressed in the U.S.
06:36:26.360
Okay, well, I won't linger too long on this, but I've made this point plenty of times, but
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when it comes to Vietnam, there are men that would be alive today that aren't because they
06:36:35.600
were drafted in Vietnam, and there are men who are alive today who were drafted in Vietnam
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who have injuries, who have both body and mind.
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Now, when it comes to the selective service, there are still actual, real, tangible, negative consequences
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that are exclusively upon men because, for example, there's a $250,000 fine.
06:37:08.300
No, but if you don't register for selective service, you are barred from receiving federal
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student loans or barred from certain federal programs or barred from certain federal benefits.
06:37:24.820
I think there's a couple other things that you can't vote if you don't register for the
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So, if women say that in the 1910s that they were oppressed because they couldn't vote, well,
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if, as a man, you're forced to register for the selective service, otherwise you're not
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allowed to vote, I think that's evidence of oppression.
06:37:46.920
Well, not only that, but notice how inside of that chat he drove kind of a straw man in as
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well, which is, well, no man has been drafted since Vietnam.
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And then he says, well, you know, if World War III happens, that just means everyone
06:38:06.120
The truth is, is that the form of oppression here is that men can be pressed into selective
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service because nobody gives a shit about them and women can't, and yet they gripe on
06:38:17.260
the opposite side about things that they consider to be oppressive to them when they will never
06:38:23.840
And Andrew, if I can ask you, uh, his claim that in the case of World War III, that that
06:38:29.960
would, I mean, in the event of World War III, does that necessarily mean that it would be
06:38:40.640
That's the second ridiculous part to the claim.
06:38:44.260
And I mean, look, it's, it could be because there's multiple countries that have nuclear
06:38:50.240
Could World War III lead to a nuclear apocalypse?
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In any case, um, you know, the men would still be drafted.
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We've had nuclear weapons the entire time we've been in conflicts across the world.
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Brian, to get pardoned from prison, you have to choose three-way with Layla and Nicolette
06:39:30.160
Well, okay, I'm gonna, so, you haven't added that.
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I have to have a three-way with two, these two women who've been on the show before or
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to just take one for the team.
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I won't sniff your seat, but I will buy you sushi.
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Brixton, I see your back cheating on me, the hoodie.
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You know, I had to take it off during the show.
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I wanted, I feel like the, the sweater, the hoodie's a little more comfortable.
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And then bro-naissance, Patrice O'Neill, RIP, rest in peace, Patrice O'Neill, fucking legend.
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