Evil Girl KICKED OUT Who Wants Brian KlLLED Like Charlie Kirk？! WTF! Feminism DEBATE! ｜ Dating Talk #264
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first guest on the show, Avril Vianen. She's a stripper, audio engineer, and founder of Big Labia Matter, a non-profit organization dedicated to fighting the patriarchy.
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Anyways, without further ado, we're going to have the guests.
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So please, tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from in education.
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And I'm originally from Pennsylvania, but I moved to LA four years ago to study audio engineering.
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And I'm a stripper right now, but I also do music and audio engineer.
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I mean, I have an OnlyFans, but like, I don't really like, I don't like promo.
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So I'm a student and I also am a barista, I guess.
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Pre-poly-sci right now, but I'm thinking of switching.
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What makes you, I guess, what made you choose poli-sci or pre-poly-sci, I guess?
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Well, because I'm hoping to do like pre-law and go to law school after this.
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Do you have a sense of what kind of area of law you'd like to practice or?
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What would you, if you were to change your major, what do you think you would change
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Um, I own a yoga studio and I'm also yoga instructor on a campus.
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Uh, I went to college for a year, then dropped out, then went to beauty school, then quit
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My dad was in the military, but we were not on a military base.
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There's seven of us, so some are and some are not.
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Were they, uh, cause there's like two sects, I guess, of LDS church.
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There's the fundamentalist Mormons and then like the mainstream.
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I'm a professional porn star and an online slut.
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I am 20 years old and I moved to LA about four years ago to be a greater slut.
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So I had a friend and we both got fake IDs and then we got into porn and it kind of just
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So like there's definitely an underage footprint of me somewhere that the daddies are jerking
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I'm not like the only girl that's ever done that.
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Like a few of my friends just like teamed up and we were like, we're down.
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That's a, I think that's a first that I've heard.
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Uh, were you doing like any escorting underage?
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Were you using it to like, were you on dating apps at this time?
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Well, I was on Tinder creating like fake profiles and then they all got banned.
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So I needed to like actually get some real money.
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And then like this porn guy was like, Hey, like he actually found us at a mall and he
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And then he kind of just like recruited us into the porn military.
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But I don't think they really cared if I was underage or not.
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I just was like, whatever you want, daddy, I'm down.
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Well, I mean, I don't think in terms of any sort of civil or criminal liability, that would
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However, willingly and knowingly producing child porn and you, you were willingly engaged
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I mean, you've, you've just admitted to distributing child porn.
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Or she's lying about her age and this is all bullshit.
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Like there's a lot of people that fall victim to being.
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You're, but you're not a victim if you're bragging about it.
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It's like, I mean, people even have qualms about people starting at 18, you know.
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But it's like, we have these laws in place for a reason.
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Like, couldn't you have just waited like a year or something?
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Well, I was like three months away from being 18.
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So if a man checks her ID and believes the ID to be true, is he legally liable?
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So even if you've been, as the man, you genuinely thought she was like 21.
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But she, what's the term when people like fake something?
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Technically, yeah, you would, you know, you would be found.
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Akon got in trouble for that because he, like, he made it.
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But, like, there was somebody that came into the club that was under the age.
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So he got in trouble because she was under the age of 18.
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Just like businesses that serve liquor, if somebody comes in under the age and they get caught,
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they still potentially can lose their liquor license.
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Now, I personally think if you've genuinely been duped and you, like, this is just a predatory woman or whatever,
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that should, I think that should be some sort of defense if, like, she's presented you a fake ID.
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I mean, Bonnie Blue does it all the time and nobody seems to have a problem.
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No, but, like, she sleeps with barely legals and they're 16, 17.
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I thought we were supposed to, like, all introduce ourselves.
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I don't think we've finished introducing ourselves.
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And to use the word slut in the same sentence of talking about being 16 and.
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You're young and beautiful and I don't want you to feel like we're all attacking you because
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But you should just want better for yourself than to just say, I'm a slut.
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Because I guarantee you, when you're 30, you're not going to be feeling the same way that
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You're very proud of the fact that you are a 20-year-old porn star.
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Do what you want to do with your body, your life.
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But you really should just want better for yourself and shouldn't be so proud to just
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be going out and saying, oh, I started at 16 and I was tricking these people into thinking
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And just because other people do it, I don't even know who Bonnie Blue is.
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So don't compare one thing to another and say, well, so-and-so is going out and stealing.
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In your pre-show notes, you wrote when we asked your age.
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And now you're sitting on the podcast saying you're 20.
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Ew, are you going to be annoying the whole show and make up who you are?
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Wait, admitting to child porn isn't a red card right away.
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Yeah, admitting to child porn should definitely be.
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Let's actually get an admission from you that you just lied about your age.
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Do we want to double check her ID to make sure she's legal to be on the podcast at this point?
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All right, you get to wear the dunce hat for 10 minutes.
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And then let me have you spin the helicopter on top.
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And we're probably, the video's probably demonetized now because she fucking, all right,
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I'm going to make a note to just fucking red card her later.
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But once you talk about that shit on stream, it's just, yeah, it's probably demonetized.
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If chair four is 20, then I'm Michael Jackson reincarnated.
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A big possibility of being old but having no brain power.
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So does he think she's older or younger than Tony?
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Born and raised in Coronado, California, and I now reside in Orange County.
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I am a former adult content creator, and I have been a housewife for the last five years.
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I was a chem model, and I was in the early stages of OnlyFans.
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I got out right before COVID started, right before the big boom.
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Um, I came from Virginia, so I came, um, kind of cross country.
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Um, and then I went to the University of Arizona.
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Um, I graduated with a bachelor's in veterinary science, and then I am now, I do fitness coaching,
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and then also I bull attend, I'm a boy student, and then I also serve, so.
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And I had a question for you, but I'll have to remember it later.
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I live in Orange County, California, and I moved here from Illinois about 14 years ago,
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and I'm a national director for a cosmetic medical device company.
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Yeah, um, I did do cosmetology school and then business at CLC in, uh...
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I moved out here like 12 years ago, and I live in Oxnard.
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It's about 45 minutes to an hour outside of this area, and I am currently a medical assistant.
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I work for one of the best bariatric surgeons in the entire country and actually world.
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He goes worldwide and teaches people, um, other doctors how to do the surgeries he does,
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and I'm currently working on my bachelor's in nursing.
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If you're single, how long have you been single and longest relationship?
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I'm single, I think I've been single for like six or seven months.
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I don't really know, but I just got out of like a three-year relationship, and that's
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Um, my longest relationship was maybe like six months.
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You guys called each other boyfriend, girlfriend.
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But in the one year you've been single, you have been dating, having situationships.
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What's the long, in the past year, what's the longest period of time you've been seeing
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I think that's maybe my like, my breaking point.
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But it was a situation, it was a situationship.
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Um, are there any guys currently in the picture?
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Not occasionally checking in with an ex-boyfriend, ex-guy, ex-fling?
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I have like my own life and like school and work.
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And is there a guy in the picture for you currently?
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It's, I live by like the Canadian border kind of.
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So, I think we like pick up a bit of a Canadian accent, you know?
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And it's like a normal, it's not like poly marriage or something?
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Are you, is there currently a guy in the picture?
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So, like technically those are my boyfriends because I like, I want all the boyfriends,
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So, like, could you count that as a relationship?
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Because I have one like individually with each sperm donor.
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In the past three months, of the hundred hoes that you have, how many of them have you seen?
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Well, see, you're giving her a bit too much credit here.
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Well, when we do porn, we have a lot of bodies.
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So, I definitely like do have the hoes, you know, that I see outside of porn.
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See, if you're going to troll, you have to do it like in a semi-convincing way where like somebody can kind of question it.
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But I'm actually not trolling about the hundred boyfriends.
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So, in the past, like, week, how many of them have you slept with?
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Since there's one, like, 99 is the rest of the side hoes.
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There's, well, they're just like basic, like, daddy white names, like John Garcia.
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I think it would be not appropriate to say their last names.
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Like, I do have a breeding kink, so I might be down for that, but as of now, I don't think.
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So, two weeks ago in the past week, so I guess two weeks to three weeks ago, that time period,
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how many of the hundred men you're currently dating have you, did you sleep with in that
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Just the one, because I'm trying to be, like, a conservative woman now and just, like, respect
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And, like, and I'm trying to think, have you, in a 24-hour period, what is the most
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amount of men that you've slept with in a 24-hour period?
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I've not slept with a hundred men, although that would be fun, because I have seen girls
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You just said that your roster consisted of a hundred men.
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It did consist of a hundred men, but right now I'm focusing on the one guy, because he's
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Well, I did sleep with all of them throughout the course of a year.
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So did, in a 24-hour period, did you ever, like, hook up with two guys in a 24-hour period?
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I feel like you really can't love yourself if you just give yourself to everybody like
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I feel like she's just full of shit on everything she's saying.
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What's the most amount of men that you've slept with in a week?
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That was, like, in the past, that was a hundred men.
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I'm saying in a given week, what is the most amount of men that you've slept with?
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Okay, in a day, what is the most amount of men you've slept with?
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In a month, what is the most amount of men you've slept with?
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I am in the middle of a very contentious divorce.
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I'm still currently married in the process of divorce.
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Can you guys tell me, those of you who've been divorced, do you have to, when you file
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for divorce, you have to put a reason or something, right?
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So, you can just say, you know, you're reconciled.
00:33:17.820
So, we printed papers, went to the courthouse, and then went out to lunch afterwards.
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So, we didn't have to write a reason or anything.
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Was there a reason for why you guys got divorced?
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Um, he was my high school sweetheart, and we were Mormon and young, and so we got married.
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And I think, like, we just grew apart as we got older, but I have only good things to say
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Uh, and then for you, you initiated both divorces.
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The first one, I was the breadwinner, and, um, I didn't want to be that.
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I realized that I couldn't maintain that forever, and I didn't want to have to support him.
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It was my first time, uh, not having my own income, and I would have preferred I had chosen
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someone a little bit more responsible and ready to be a husband.
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Um, going back to you here, uh, did your husband pay you alimony?
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And then, was there, like, a distribution of, there's, I don't know exactly how it works,
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but, uh, did he have to pay you anything in the divorce?
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Does he pay, really quick on the kid, does he pay you child support?
00:35:16.920
Um, when we separated, I was not doing well financially, and I, I became quite successful
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after the fact, and so then he came to take his piece of that.
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Um, it's fluctuated over the years, you know, as a housewife, the last five...
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At its peak, probably like $1,500 or $1,700 a month.
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I just found it, it was crazy because I hadn't asked for child support when I was not doing
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I was willing to take care of my side of things, and it's 50-50.
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You take care of your side, I'll take care of mine.
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So when he found out I was making so much money, he came after a cut, that was pretty
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But in California, whoever's making more money has to pay.
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And you think I should have had an abortion so I don't have to pay my ex-child support?
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I just think in general, like, the world's overpopulated, so I think, like, we need abortions
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to, like, decrease population of unwanted pregnancies, because, yeah, like, why would you
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It's actually a lot lower now than it was in the past.
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There are a lot less people having babies nowadays, and the population is actually much
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Uh, no, from the first, and, um, I am in the process of figuring out what the alimony will
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So leaving the marriage with no income, you're entitled to a certain amount, and, uh, that's
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Um, my longest relationship was, like, six, seven months, and then...
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And are there any guys in the picture currently?
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Any, like, a guy you're, like, been on dates with, or...?
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I grew up near D.C., but I'm more in central, central Virginia.
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March, maybe March, April, but I met him February.
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No, March, March or April, I went on a date with him for the first time.
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Um, the last time we spoke was probably like...
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Um, when's the last time you went on a date with somebody from a dating app?
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Honestly, there's nothing that really comes out of it.
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I was at a gym and then we just started talking.
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If you started seeing somebody else, would you cut things off with him?
00:41:19.280
Well, I don't know if you have feelings for this guy.
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I've been single for just shy of two years and I am not currently dating, seeing, or hooking
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We don't have anything through, um, the legal system.
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Uh, does he, so he doesn't have, there's not formal child support, but does he send you
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And then when I do ask and need help with other things, he will help and support.
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Um, I'm currently in a relationship with a wonderful man.
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Um, we've been together for a little over a year.
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Um, and that was like five or six years of my life.
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Just hookup era or hookup, whatever it's called.
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You said it happened after the five to six year situationship.
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So, and when you say it was a situationship, are you talking, it was on again, off again
00:43:35.740
No, it was like, I wanted to be in the relationship and I wanted to be monogamous and I made that
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very clear to him and he kind of gaslighted me a lot of the relationship.
00:43:50.860
Um, like he would lie to me about certain things that he did or like he would portray
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things to me and like make it seem like we were in a relationship, but would also like
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under his breath be like, well, we're not together.
00:44:08.900
My confusion here though, is you yourself have characterized it as a situationship.
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So during the course of the five to six years you were with him, while you were with him,
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would you have characterized it as a situationship?
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I think I didn't really know what a situationship was.
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So I, like I knew that we didn't have a label on it, but I very much wanted to be committed
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Um, but he didn't obviously want the same in return.
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And did he make this known to you during the course of the relationship?
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And then at any point during the relationship, did he refer to you as his girlfriend?
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Between me and him, he would, but like on the outside, no, he definitely, it was just,
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So he would, at, at some points he did overtly refer to you, explicitly refer to you as girlfriend.
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And however, you guys also had explicit overt conversations about, like, it doesn't sound
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like he actually verbalized that he would be monogamous.
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So he was, he was overt in saying he basically wanted it to be an open relationship.
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We're, during this course of time, were you dating other men during the five to six years?
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My confusion, though, is exactly how he gaslit you, because I understand that you wanted commitment,
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and perhaps it's a sucky thing that he didn't want the same.
00:46:14.880
However, frustrating as it may be, it seems like he did tell you what the deal was.
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He did say, and you might say, well, that's wrong, objectionable, but he doesn't sound like
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On the outside, looking at, like, after the fact, and I'm older now, so I understand it
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more, and yes, that is true, but when I was actually actively in the situation and going
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through the relationship, I was young and dumb, and I thought that I could change a man and
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make him be faithful and who I wanted him to be.
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Like, a man brings to the table what he wants to bring to the table.
00:47:06.040
And just curious, from what age to what age did you date him?
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And were you boyfriend-girlfriend in those relationships?
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I would say, like, 22 to 27, because I had my son at 28.
00:47:30.860
Well, I mean, 22, you're still on the younger side, but it's not exactly, I don't know if
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we can defer to naivete entirely here, but I don't know if I agree with your
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gaslighting characterization, at least the way you've described it.
00:47:52.740
Perhaps it's the case, but as you've explained it thus far, I don't know if I...
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It's just because we would go out and we would do things that you do in a normal relationship.
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And maybe not gaslighting, but that's what it felt like to me during.
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I don't think we can always assume, though, that just because you engage in certain activities
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with somebody you're, you know, spending time with, that it would necessarily infer that
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I understand how it could potentially be confusing.
00:48:31.140
You know, I've heard this complaint from many women.
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They say, well, he introduced me to his parents.
00:48:36.780
Okay, maybe the introduction to the parents thing.
00:48:40.260
That's, like, I don't know, that's probably, like, can probably lead somebody on a little
00:48:47.440
But, I don't know, like, going out to dinner, going on vacations, you could do that with
00:49:11.760
Like, before the situationship, and then the situationship kind of really fucked me up mentally,
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And I was just on a drinking bender, drinking a lot of Hennessy, and one day...
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I took a plan B, too, because I was not trying to be like that.
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Like, I didn't want a kid with him, but God had much different plans.
00:49:55.560
Um, so, but how soon into, like, knowing, uh, a baby daddy, I guess, how soon into knowing
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Oh, I knew him for, like, seven years, eight years.
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We were just hooking up off and on, like, just randomly, literally, before the situationship
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So, before the five to six year situationship, you had already hooked up with baby daddy.
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And then, but then, during the course of situationship, he was completely out of the picture.
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No, because he had a, he had, like, a girlfriend or whatever other time.
00:50:54.380
Um, but so, then you got back with him, sort of, or were hanging out with him.
00:50:59.080
How soon into the second time hanging out with him, reconnecting, did you get pregnant?
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Like, that's when you knew you were pregnant or when you think you got pregnant?
00:51:12.580
Because, like, doesn't it take a couple weeks, like, six to eight before you start doing this?
00:51:16.660
No, like, I could count to the, to the time that it happened when I got pregnant.
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Like, a month into it, or after it happened, I already knew I was pregnant.
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Because my, I was just so regular and I have an app and stuff like that.
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So, and that day that you, that you got, uh, pregnant was two months in?
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And how soon after the end of the situationship did you reconnect with baby daddy?
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Okay, so, about two to three months after the end of five to six year situationship,
00:52:08.720
He didn't, and I actually gave him the option to not, to, like, sign his rights away.
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Because I, while I do believe in abortion, I knew that God gave the baby to me for a reason.
00:52:20.160
You know, I needed love that I didn't have and I never got as a child.
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So, I wanted to keep it for myself and the whole nine, ten months of pregnancy,
00:52:31.260
even up to actually right after I had birth, I gave him the option,
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you can sign your rights away, you don't need to do this, I don't want anything from you.
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If you want to be a part of it, be a part of it.
00:52:44.280
Um, so, did he sign his rights away or is he in the picture or?
00:53:08.280
No, I don't, I don't, I don't want to go through the court system.
00:53:11.080
I don't want, especially because I, I know I make more money than him and after school,
00:53:16.980
Okay, so he would just get child support from you then.
00:53:19.220
And the process is just so expensive to begin with, what you end up getting in the end doesn't
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I don't want the government to tell me when I can and can't have my kid.
00:53:29.780
Um, uh, and, uh, you, but now you're in a relationship, you've been in a relationship
00:53:42.600
Yes, actually he is a great, a great stepdad and acts as honestly very present.
00:53:53.300
Did you find it difficult dating, having a kid and being a single mom?
00:53:59.620
Um, yes, because I was worried about bringing people into the situation or around my son,
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especially, and you don't know people, you don't know how they are.
00:54:10.240
Um, but he, it just, it honestly, it worked out.
00:54:14.120
Everything worked out the way that it was supposed to.
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So I'm very lucky because I know it doesn't happen like that.
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Cause I looked at your Instagram, uh, mixed race baby.
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We'll see what the rest of the show holds, but it's probably coming.
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She already got the, she already got the yellow card.
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Uh, we're going to just get right into, actually, I need to get up here in just a moment.
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I want to see if, I'm not, yeah, I want to make sure.
00:56:05.900
So, I don't know, those of you might not know this.
00:56:10.460
I just started something called Whatever Wednesday.
00:56:12.920
And then I just, it's not as long typically as the dating talks, but I just sit down.
00:56:26.120
And it's just kind of like reacting to shit on stream, chatting with you guys.
00:56:33.960
Uh, Pasty George, though, showed a lot of support on Wednesday.
00:56:57.740
We're going to get into the, some of the pre-show notes here in just a sec.
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So, Felicity, what, what I'm going to have you do is, um, ask this one, and then this
00:57:31.660
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband starting with
00:57:55.140
Like, I don't want no brokey absorbing my energy.
00:57:59.140
That sounds like a, in this generation, 18-year-olds are making 10 million.
00:58:02.400
So, I don't see why this dude can't make 10 million.
00:58:05.600
Yeah, can you name at least two that are 18 years old?
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Do you know two 18-year-old crypto boys that make 10 million dollars a year?
00:58:29.700
Yeah, that one kid, Malum, he made, like, what, like, 300 million off of crypto?
00:58:56.300
I've seen some of their, like, little crypto schemes.
00:59:02.520
They were, like, did you date date, or did you just, like?
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I mean, the Bophouse girls, what, Sophie Rain made, like, 56 million dollars in, like,
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She, mind you, like, these people are super rare.
00:59:49.420
Like, you don't see, it's not very common to see, like, OnlyFans girls making, like,
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millions and millions and millions, like, Sophie Rain level.
00:59:56.640
I mean, there are pretty successful OnlyFans women.
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But you understand, do you understand that, like, net worth is not equal to, like, yearly
01:00:24.200
But what about, like, okay, actors make, like, 10, 20 million.
01:00:28.540
So, it's, like, what if I fumble into an actor?
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I don't think many actors want to date a super slut.
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If it's been done, why can't another person fall in that if they really want that drive
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She's also, like, lost, like, so much money in brand deals after...
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But, like, you understand that, like, net worth is not equal to yearly income?
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So, like, yearly income is, like, how much you make in a year?
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Well, let's say you invest a bunch of properties and you're bringing in that from multiple sources
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She's trying to make a point that it's a lot harder than you think.
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I just answered what I thought would be my number, personally.
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But I don't think that a man that makes 10 million would want a woman that has busted
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it wide open on the internet and comes and talking.
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I mean, there is somebody for everyone, considering you, like, got manipulated and, like, cheated
01:01:59.400
And getting manipulated and cheated on is besides the fact that you came in here bragging about
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being 16 and lying about it and saying you did porn.
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I might have got manipulated and cheated on, but I also have a man that is way above your
01:02:16.600
caliber and would never date somebody like you.
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And I am the happiest I've ever been in my life.
01:02:21.360
And I'm comfortable in my own skin that I don't have to bust it wide open on the internet
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for thousands or millions of people to see and possibly your future children, which let's
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I hope my future children see me busting it open on the internet.
01:02:42.040
But, like, back to the question, like, do you understand the difference between net worth
01:02:47.540
Well, net worth is, like, how much you're worth, and then yearly is, like, what you're bringing
01:03:00.160
Um, I would like someone to have a yearly salary that exceeds what I've earned myself.
01:03:19.280
Um, I said $80,000, but actually, I also wouldn't mind being the breadwinner.
01:03:27.080
Um, I, I like going to work, but I like being a mom, too.
01:03:34.200
Um, if I had somebody that wanted to be a stay-at-home dad and was willing to do that,
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and he still provides for me and takes care of me in other ways and takes care of the household
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in other ways, then that's fine with me, but realistically, in California, you have to be
01:03:50.360
You can't be a one-income household, um, unless, you know, you're making millions, but, yeah.
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Honestly, you're all pretty agreeable besides, sorry, $10,000.
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But I spun that into other businesses, apparel sales and whatnot, so.
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She's an entrepreneur and, like, well, honey, there's a long story after the fact, though.
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I didn't do it the same way you did, and it, I have many debts to pay because of it emotionally.
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So, yeah, I did try to do the best I could with it.
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I spun it into, you know, going to D.C. to meet the president.
01:04:41.820
There's a long story there, but the way that you're presenting yourself publicly and bragging
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about being a slut, like, your time is limited, and the clock is ticking, and it's not going
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And she can talk from firsthand experience, not secondary.
01:05:01.500
I just, you know, we all make choices, especially if you're going to go into that industry that
01:05:08.400
But the overall long-term consequences is that you're going to be viewed through a very specific
01:05:16.880
So I just want to be a warning to all of you that the money is great, and when you're in
01:05:20.740
it, you think that that price is totally worth it.
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But there's a lot that's going to come up in ways that you cannot even imagine that will
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So I just, you know, taking the short, fun ride is not worth it long-term.
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Maybe some of us just like sucking dick on camera.
01:05:37.700
How tall are you, and what is the minimum height of a man you would date, starting with
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I'm 5'5", and I also said 5'5", because it's like, I don't know, I wouldn't want
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like a dude shorter than me, because it's weird cuddling a dude with like shorter legs
01:05:53.960
But like, you know, if they like, save nights, like, fine, you know.
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I just like, maybe like 5'9", 6'0", like skinny, Timothee Chalamet boyfriend.
01:06:33.420
But when you say, so when you say taller, you mean like.
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So it's like a guy that's just like a little bit taller.
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Because I can like cradle him like a little baby.
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I'm 5'8", but in heels can be up to 6'1", so I do like someone taller than me, which
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I'm 4'9", so honestly, it's kind of easier to be tall.
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I was, I am attracted to like taller guys, but I would date anyone.
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Have you noticed the trend that super tall men love really short women?
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I have a friend that's 4'9 dated someone that's 6'4".
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I mean, to be honest, my, my ex, he was like five, four, but he was still like half a foot
01:08:57.660
I'm not really a big fan of someone shorter than me or same height, but you know what?
01:09:09.680
Um, I'm five, four and I said five, eight, just cause if I don't wear heels anymore, but
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if I did, I at least want to like have you a little bit taller than me.
01:10:06.660
So I'm just trying to think like, wasn't World War II near like when Christopher Columbus
01:10:22.620
Honestly, I unfortunately didn't pay attention to history class.
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One of you had specific criticisms for me that we're going to get into here in just a moment.
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But from what I was listening to you, I wanted to just touch on it very quickly.
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Yeah, you'd probably be lucky to date a McDonald's worker, but, um, and then for you, 350 to 500,000.
01:12:38.040
I've been a housewife, and he made well over a million dollars a year.
01:12:50.720
I mean, if I meet the love of my life, I'll take a lot less.
01:12:54.440
But, you know, in general, that would be a preference to have someone that has reached a certain financial status that I've already experienced on my own, and a certain standard of living that I've become accustomed to.
01:13:06.840
And when you were making good money, how much were you making?
01:13:10.980
Um, at the height, probably 70 to 100,000 a month.
01:13:18.360
Um, but, is that, do you have savings, or is that all gone?
01:13:24.020
Um, well, I had plenty of savings when I met my husband, so I do not have that anymore.
01:13:28.800
That went into our lifestyle, our businesses, and whatnot.
01:13:36.040
I mean, you don't have any stocks, or, like, any?
01:13:41.540
So, yes, but we're all battling this through the divorce right now.
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Oh, okay, so he's going to get, he's going to get something in the divorce element.
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Um, he was, no, well, he, again, he, I'm going to get something out of this.
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We didn't sign a prenup, and when I met him, I didn't know, I didn't think he even had a job when I met him.
01:14:01.280
Um, but he was in cannabis, and it was very successful, and we lived a very comfortable lifestyle.
01:14:13.900
When the laws, you know, certain things, they flooded the law, the, the whole system with a lot of different licenses,
01:14:18.980
and gave everyone a permit to grow, and it became very expensive to grow, more so to produce it than to sell it.
01:14:26.960
I didn't make money with Turning Point, but I did, I did sell my MAGA hats.
01:14:44.660
My experience at Turning Point was interesting.
01:14:47.520
Like, aside from all the troll content, you're actually really cool.
01:14:57.280
So, 300 or 10 mil, 350 to 500, 80,000 for you, 100,000 for you, 80K for you.
01:15:05.340
Would any of you consider, well, I mean, you say bare minimum.
01:15:12.940
Um, maybe we'll get into the salary stuff a little bit later.
01:15:23.220
I apologize, guys, that I step away for a moment.
01:15:35.420
I just wanted to ask, um, we've had Charlie Kirk on the show.
01:15:40.700
How do you guys, I know it happened, like, it was about a month ago at this point.
01:15:45.120
Um, do you guys feel like, uh, how do you feel about his assassination, starting with you?
01:15:57.180
Um, it's terrible that I don't think gun violence should be fought with more gun violence.
01:16:06.180
Wait, like, you know, like, he was against, sorry, I'm, like, so tired.
01:16:13.160
I got two hours of sleep, I'm not going to lie, before the show.
01:16:16.700
Bro, I don't know why these fucking, no offense, I'm going to call you.
01:16:26.980
Like, you willing, you could have tried to get some sleep before.
01:16:37.820
Right, well, your lack of preparation doesn't constitute some obligation for me to relinquish
01:16:45.320
any expectation that you show up to this engagement.
01:17:02.060
Why don't you just answer the question, please?
01:17:08.980
I do not think it should be a political debate.
01:17:11.800
I don't think a death should be a political debate.
01:17:18.340
Well, again, I don't think it should be a political debate.
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People make it a political debate online, so...
01:17:27.460
Do you think it's justified that people were celebrating his death?
01:17:38.080
I don't think anyone should celebrate any death.
01:17:44.260
Obviously, I don't think that it should be celebrated, but for me, it's just kind of,
01:17:55.580
Do you think justified, though, the assassination?
01:18:07.160
I don't think it should be celebrated, but, I mean, people are just kind of saying, like,
01:18:13.300
from what I've heard, that, like, he was for, you know, he said that, like...
01:18:19.660
Or that, like, there should be deaths every year, like, you know...
01:18:30.020
He was for the Second Amendment right, which is to bear arms.
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He was not for going out and senselessly killing people.
01:18:38.940
Well, and so, consequentially, that would entail that, conceivably, there could, by granting
01:18:46.680
people the Second Amendment right, a consequence of that, consequentially, there would be deaths.
01:18:53.540
In the same way that we let people drive, but a consequence of that is there's, what is
01:19:03.880
I don't know if anybody have the exact numbers.
01:19:05.880
There's car deaths a year, injuries all the time, but people can still own cars, people
01:19:28.920
I thought he was an actor who played in the SpongeBob musical until I Googled him, and that's
01:19:34.880
But also, I don't think celebrating his death is like, that should be celebrated, but also
01:19:39.400
I don't agree with gun violence, but also that goes to show that we don't actually have
01:19:43.680
as much freedom of speech as we think we do, because if we did, then he would still be
01:19:50.060
I think it's a huge loss for our entire generation.
01:19:53.400
He was one of the most brilliant minds to have existed.
01:20:01.660
I think that it's terrible that you get gunned down for what you say.
01:20:13.560
Shop.whatever.com if you want to get yourself something.
01:20:24.920
As a garbage man, I take home just above $100,000 a year.
01:20:27.920
Is that enough for you, knowing I smell like garbage every day and you have to do my laundry?
01:20:46.540
You're really selling yourself with the garbage.
01:20:48.760
How about for everybody here who wants a guy who makes $100,000 or more, would you date a guy, you know what, I'll make it a little flowery, who's in the waste management business.
01:21:09.860
I mean, telling me that you're going to smell like garbage and I have to do your laundry, I'm going to say no.
01:21:26.980
I'm going to have Claire, you're going to read this one.
01:21:31.580
I like chair five, but requiring $350,000 at age 43 is pretty unreasonable.
01:21:38.260
I make that much and none of my peers are going to be enough for you at that age.
01:21:53.820
I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
01:22:07.580
You said generally, overall, you like Brian, though there's no chance in all hell you would
01:22:21.280
And it's disgusting and weird that anyone would want that.
01:22:39.560
If your husband, tomorrow, I hope he's watching because I'm going to tell him that he's now
01:22:46.740
He's also Japanese, so he might actually like...
01:22:55.740
He becomes a big fan, and he's like, you know what?
01:22:58.240
He's on to something with the whole, the bow thing.
01:23:01.160
You go home after this podcast to your husband, and he's like, you know what?
01:23:27.220
There's no circumstance under which you would bow?
01:23:33.160
What if your husband said, what if your husband said, if you don't do this, I'm divorcing you?
01:23:38.540
Not saying that you should do that, but would you do it then?
01:23:46.500
So it's demeaning no matter what the circumstance?
01:23:49.100
I don't know that it's demeaning, especially because it's like part of the, maybe, well,
01:24:04.140
I mean, if I'm married to a man, I want to please him.
01:24:06.380
I want to make him happy and I want him to do the same for me.
01:24:08.460
So if I asked him to bow because I enjoyed it and it made me happy and we could have a
01:24:11.980
laugh, I would hope that he would say yes to that.
01:24:17.580
But if that's what their particular request is, I just, I don't, I don't think it's hurting
01:24:26.360
I did already ask him and he said, if I did it, he'd laugh in my face.
01:24:34.040
Well, yeah, I understand the, the bow thing seems at least in American culture seems a
01:24:41.180
little out of place, especially as a pale white man asking for it.
01:24:46.940
Although it's not like, to me, it's not like trying to appropriate like what I'm doing.
01:24:55.520
And I'm not like trying to be Japanese or some shit.
01:24:59.480
However, it is, it is an interesting tell on, I think it's like a great temperature check
01:25:07.760
But before I get into my position as to why I'm for it, um, I'd like to understand your
01:25:18.200
You say it is, hold on, I got to find the notes again.
01:25:20.880
And you say it's degrading, um, disgusting and weird.
01:25:27.100
Um, yeah, perhaps I would grant that it's weird insofar as it's uncommon in that way.
01:25:43.340
I do serve do a lot of stuff, but if he asked me to do anything else, he calls me, can you
01:25:52.300
Can you make sure that my socks are ready for work?
01:26:07.680
Yeah, I'll explain it in just a bit, but I, what about it, removing, removing the intention
01:26:16.120
or motivation behind the person who wants it, what in and of itself of actual, what
01:26:20.480
like doing the actual action itself, what is disgusting about it?
01:26:29.180
I was just like, I was just going on, but okay.
01:26:37.680
Um, because I don't, there's no purpose at all other than that.
01:27:00.800
Just, but women quite frequently want men to act in a chivalrous way.
01:27:08.300
For example, would you want a man or would you at least acknowledge that it is under the
01:27:14.500
purview of chivalry for a man to open a woman's car door?
01:27:21.740
I mean, I don't really expect that, but while women are not as physically strong as men,
01:27:28.220
women have the physical capacity to open a car door, they can do it.
01:27:34.680
It's, it requires more effort for the man to do it.
01:27:38.000
He has to walk out, you know, get out of the car.
01:27:42.920
Either he's already outside the car, has to open the car, go around the car.
01:27:48.660
Well, I don't expect that, but I do think it's nice.
01:27:52.260
And I think it's nice for a woman to bow, but there's other forms of chivalry where there's
01:28:00.740
I almost think we should maybe watch the bow video just to show the guests here.
01:28:06.940
Why don't we pull up the bow video just to give people context.
01:28:14.260
I, I, I do this because it's like a, a tutorial, an instruction manual for future girlfriends.
01:28:22.140
Instead of having to like explain it, it's just, I feel like it's helpful to give women
01:28:26.880
a visual aid, show them a video, you know, that way they know like a, you know, so I,
01:28:34.200
I took this video so I could show future girlfriends expectations.
01:28:39.120
I recorded this after a long day doing a podcast.
01:29:07.640
I don't even drink beer, but I just have it there anyways.
01:29:12.840
I dumped her though for the, you see that in the corner, right corner, there's like those
01:29:41.900
Nick, do you remember those memes of like, yes, I, oh, wait, where would it be?
01:29:53.100
Well, I would bow for my man because he stepped up, first of all, to be a father to a child
01:29:58.260
He provides for me in ways that other men have never.
01:30:02.240
And if it makes them happy and that's something that he wants, then yeah, why not?
01:30:26.000
But just like if he were to open my door for me because that's chivalrous, I would bow
01:30:43.680
I don't care if a million people think this is silly or whatever.
01:30:50.140
So, yeah, my position is simply if I'm going to be hustling to the point that this woman
01:30:57.940
I'm with never has to work ever and I'm taking care of everything financially, everything
01:31:03.260
is taken care of for her, then my expectation is yes.
01:31:11.640
The thing that comes to my mind about the bowing is like that Asian girl is kind of hot
01:31:15.160
and I low-key just like would want to see her like squirt those cherry tomatoes out
01:31:33.060
No, you don't have to cuss to say the vulgar things that you're saying.
01:31:36.300
Is he talking about putting tomatoes in the vagina?
01:31:44.360
I'm going to get to my point and then I'm going to address you.
01:32:10.160
Is there anything in terms of chivalry that men should do?
01:32:33.800
When you guys first met, would he pay for dates?
01:32:50.320
With other men you've dated, have you ever had the experience that typically they tend to pay for dates?
01:32:57.900
And would you acknowledge that while your situation might be unique, I would argue overwhelmingly the majority of women, whether they're conservative or even liberal, even feminist, do typically have an expectation or at least strongly prefer men to pay for dates?
01:33:21.060
Now, and I know lots of people say the person who initiated the date should be the person who pays.
01:33:33.340
But if you say, will you go on a date with me to this really expensive restaurant?
01:33:38.820
And I say yes, that is not something I was planning to pay for until you ask me.
01:33:44.260
So what if I don't have $200 to go on the date?
01:33:56.300
I'm just saying, if you make the plan, then you...
01:34:00.220
Yeah, so I would agree with you if you're like a 30-year-old going out with a 21-year-old
01:34:05.040
and you're going to go take her to Nobu or some really expensive restaurant, yeah, you
01:34:13.400
Well, look, actually, I think generally speaking, men should pay across the board.
01:34:19.080
Even though I can make like a bird's-eye view analysis of like, yeah, that's inequality,
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men for the most optimum chess move on the dating board, you should just pay as a guy.
01:34:32.580
But my point would be to this idea that, okay, well, men are overwhelmingly the askers, right?
01:34:42.400
So this idea that whoever I should pay conveniently does ignore that women really don't take that
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Now, that's not to say some women shoot their shot.
01:35:00.540
So it's kind of like this whole whoever I should pay thing.
01:35:04.180
I would agree with that sentiment if it was the case that men and women asked each other
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If it was like 50-50 or 40-60, then I'd be like, yeah, you know what, whoever I should
01:35:16.380
But it just conveniently ignores this really obvious thing that women don't shoot their
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And you might say, well, I was dating this guy for three months and I asked him, well,
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But yeah, there are women that will ask, you know, guys out.
01:36:06.040
Like generally, if we all have, then how is it rare statistically?
01:36:17.120
It wouldn't matter if every single one of you have had an experience where one time
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you asked the guy out and you paid for the date.
01:36:24.560
We would then have to say, of all the dates you've ever been on, if the breakdown
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is, 90% of the time the guy pays and 10% of the time you pay, my point would still stand.
01:36:42.520
Just because we've done it once doesn't mean that makes it the majority of time.
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There's never in the history of the world has a woman ever asked a guy out.
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My position is, overwhelmingly, generally speaking, women don't initiate.
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And I would put that number at probably, I'm almost being generous, 90%.
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90% of the time, the guy's the one asking, the guy's doing the initiative, the guy's going
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And then, of the 50, first dates, by the way, not like you've been dating a guy for three
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Sometimes, like, I'll make the guy pay if I'm not that into him.
01:38:16.900
Wait, you make the guy pay if you're not into him?
01:38:23.340
I hear if the girl's not feeling it, she'll want it to be 50-50.
01:38:27.820
Well, because then it's just a waste of my money if I wasn't into it.
01:38:38.280
Even in your own experience, you would say 20% of the time, the guy initiates.
01:38:52.580
So, wouldn't that bolster my position that women don't initiate?
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But, I think, like, generally, women have initiated the first day.
01:39:07.380
It absolutely is the case that women do initiate.
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They all have at least once, like, initiated the first date.
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But, if they've been on 100 dates and one time they initiated, that means 99% of the time.
01:39:37.020
And, in this case, I've had many women on the show who said, I've never initiated.
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Well, why should a man vote to a woman when proposing to her for marriage?
01:40:13.720
I think he meant the getting down on one knee thing.
01:40:25.000
About every single day you get home is different.
01:40:32.180
So, if the expectation is the guy should pay on the first date, right?
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And let's say it's not a super expensive place.
01:41:05.280
Appetizers, two drinks, main course, dessert, tip.
01:41:21.880
In order for him to take you on that date, he has to work five hours.
01:41:32.320
He has to work five hours to take you on the date.
01:41:34.900
Now, you might say, well, hold on, half of it is for him, so that would be two and a
01:41:45.720
If a woman bows every single time, that takes three seconds.
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That's like equal to one, like total time, if we're doing the math here, total time.
01:41:57.320
If she's bowing to me every single day for like 70 years or, well, 50, 40, 50, whatever.
01:42:10.260
Kind of like, and I'm going to be taking her on all these dates and when we're together,
01:42:15.260
when she has kids, she's never going to have to work.
01:42:21.780
But what if I don't want you to take care of everything?
01:42:25.260
Well, look, there is a financial and economic reality that there are men and women out there
01:42:32.500
who, while the man isn't going to earn a high enough income for that, and maybe you're going
01:42:42.860
But there are a lot of men who are going to want to be sole breadwinners, who do want
01:42:53.500
to take on more of a leadership role in the relationship.
01:42:56.820
Also, even this idea that if you both are financially providing for the relationship, and perhaps
01:43:04.140
that is the financial and economic reality for the vast majority of people, you're still
01:43:09.140
going to look to your man, I assume, to adhere to certain traditional gender roles.
01:43:15.760
Like, you're going to want a man who's a leader, who's decisive, who's masculine.
01:43:20.820
Like, I hear this complaint even from liberal progressive women.
01:43:27.680
You know, he just asks me, I ask him, what about dinner?
01:43:39.940
But a lot of women are like, I'd prefer a guy who's like, no, we're going here.
01:43:49.640
So I would argue, even if you guys are both financially contributing equally, even in those
01:43:55.480
relationships, you're still going to look to your boyfriend or husband to act in a certain
01:44:00.780
way that is more within a masculine, traditional gender role.
01:44:05.080
But I still act in a pretty consistent gender role as well.
01:44:09.700
Like, I stay home with the kids every single day.
01:44:14.700
Like, I do pretty much fall into, like, I'd say gender roles are a good fallback, but they
01:44:32.300
Like, my husband helps me with the laundry and the dishes and generally would probably
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say, generally as a gender role, you would probably say the woman's doing the dishes
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Yeah, my ex did that too when I lived with him.
01:44:54.680
He, like, did, like, the shit I didn't want to do, you know?
01:44:57.680
Okay, look, I think it's okay for you guys to want to be 50-50, but, like, I think you
01:45:04.260
should genuinely be 50-50 in all dimensions, at least attempt to, in all dimensions and
01:45:11.220
I don't see women abandoning the benefits of more traditional or the benefits of gender
01:45:23.380
So, for example, when it comes to initiative, even, like, hyper-progressive liberal women
01:45:28.780
who want to be, like, boss babe 50-50 career women, still probably going to look for the
01:45:35.500
Why aren't we having this push for women to take a more proactive approach to dating?
01:45:43.180
Why don't women shoot their shot at comparable levels to when...
01:45:51.180
There's not a law that prevents women from doing this.
01:45:53.900
Women are more free now than at any other point in human history.
01:45:57.940
Women have more rights, more freedoms, more everything, more opportunity, more privilege
01:46:11.140
And sort of having to skate around, like, a more upfront, in-person rejection.
01:46:17.620
How many women have shot their shot with you first, do you think, recently, I guess?
01:46:25.420
I'm not a great example because I'm out there publicly.
01:46:39.180
The numbers for a public figure are way different.
01:46:48.700
Let's map on Brad Pitt's experience to the experience of, like, average men.
01:46:55.180
The reality is, I'm in this unique situation where I'm out there in the public.
01:46:59.880
But the average guy, women aren't, like, sliding into his DMs.
01:47:06.460
I feel like, if you're a good-looking guy, women will just, like, do that nowadays.
01:47:24.260
Right, but okay, so what about, like, average men?
01:47:27.840
I would argue that in terms of the sexual optionality, if...
01:47:35.180
As an average, or even below-average looking woman...
01:47:44.740
So the frequency with which a top 1% guy is going to get DMs, or, like, women approaching
01:47:51.260
...is probably, like, if he is equal to an average or below-average looking woman.
01:48:00.880
So, like, the frequency with which even average-looking women get approached or hit up in the DMs...
01:48:13.380
Do you think men have standards when it comes to women?
01:48:18.800
Although, there's a differentiation between men who are just trying to have sex with women, and then men who want relationships.
01:48:32.420
But, like, I still think it depends on the woman's, like, morals and values in a relationship.
01:48:38.420
Like, if they genuinely like a guy who's, like, super insecure, and they know that, then they'd probably be like...
01:48:48.480
But you don't know if a guy is insecure or, like, that...
01:48:55.660
Some men carry themselves at a really high standard.
01:49:02.020
I feel like it's super easy to tell if a guy's insecure.
01:49:05.160
I can speak from experience that some of the most, what I thought, were confident secure men...
01:49:21.820
Chair three, based on your answers and replies, I can already tell that your marriage won't last long and that you will be...
01:49:36.020
Just for the sake of this conversation, I think it would be helpful to point one thing out.
01:49:39.860
When I'm saying these terms, when I'm saying something like, women do X, this is a generalized statement.
01:49:49.320
So when I say, women don't initiate, and sometimes I'll even preface it, I'll say generally.
01:49:58.320
So if I say, women don't initiate, that's a general statement.
01:50:02.380
For example, hide it, because they're going to be distracted.
01:50:06.660
If I were to say that humans have 10 fingers, it is the case that some people are born with an extra digit.
01:50:18.200
It's not wrong of me to say that humans have 10 fingers.
01:50:22.280
Now, yes, it is true, but just for the sake of the conversation, I would implore you not to do the, but I know this exception to the rule.
01:50:59.620
I guess related to the whole date thing, though, that's kind of where the segue started.
01:51:07.060
I actually think women have higher expectations of men.
01:51:17.020
You want a $10 million man, but you don't have high expectations for men.
01:51:19.340
That's why I want a $10 million man, because nowadays, guys are just, like, willingly giving out their money,
01:51:23.300
because they're just so gooned out, like, with OnlyFans and Pornhub.
01:51:31.820
Like, there are, there's no such thing as, like, oh, I'm like, wow, you're such a high-value man.
01:51:36.680
And you look at his browser history, and oh, there I, oh, hi, now I see you.
01:52:05.580
We've been friends since 18, like, so we've known each other the majority of our lives,
01:52:19.380
If I say to my husband, bowing seems embarrassing to me,
01:52:24.860
why would he make me do something that's going to embarrass me every day?
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If I'm like, I think it's embarrassing for you to come home and ask me to bow.
01:52:34.120
I mean, well, obviously, there's a difference here,
01:52:36.180
because this sort of thing would, for lack of a better word,
01:52:40.800
would typically be negotiated, and it wouldn't be negotiated,
01:52:45.320
but it would be established early on in the relationship.
01:53:10.980
This is obviously something that you would want to present early on.
01:53:16.880
Although there's probably arguments that could be made that...
01:53:20.020
Yeah, but why is that a big deal if a woman is a sex worker and a guy wants to date her?
01:53:24.740
Being in a marriage, you're already a sex worker.
01:53:30.880
So basically, all you who are in a relationship, you're all sex workers.
01:53:36.220
How is a woman in a consensual relationship with a man a sex worker?
01:53:46.100
So for you shitting on a sex worker, for a guy dating a sex worker, technically, marriage,
01:53:53.900
Being in a committed relationship and having intimacy does not make you a sex worker.
01:54:02.420
So under your perspective, nobody can have sex.
01:54:06.400
Anybody who has sex is immediately a sex worker.
01:54:10.140
So the two virgins, they have sex, they instantly become sex workers by virtue of having sex.
01:54:17.800
I think it's sad that you can't differentiate the two at this point.
01:54:21.900
Well, you're having sex and you're going to work and that's the definition.
01:54:24.740
I love that you're trying to, I know you'd like your attention.
01:54:29.280
We're finishing up the conversation about the bow.
01:54:31.700
Well, yeah, I mean, ultimately, I would say in terms of what women want men to do for
01:54:41.440
them, I think it's way more than the bow, but privilege is invisible to those who have
01:54:48.140
And I would say that a lot of the things that men do, women just sort of expect it, really
01:54:55.780
But if we look at the marriage ritual, the man has to get down on one knee, buy a ring.
01:55:03.640
Like I think kneeling, kneeling, that's worse than a bow.
01:55:10.540
To kneel, like a bow, at least you stay on your feet.
01:55:17.140
But same thing, you do that one time, you want to bow every day for the rest of your life.
01:55:21.980
Yeah, but the other component here is that he's got to buy the ring, his money, sometimes
01:55:46.620
What percentage of the time when a ring is bought, is it bought by the man?
01:55:54.900
Can we not do this thing where like, well, I'm the exception to the rule, I'm speaking
01:56:00.360
I actually, is that weird that if he bought my engagement ring, I bought his wedding ring.
01:56:07.880
Like, do you actually not think, to her point, do you think it's uncommon that typically the
01:56:13.740
man pays for the ring and is the one who proposes?
01:56:19.560
But I bought his wedding ring, he has a wedding ring too, I bought his.
01:56:23.200
He's asking if it's common for the fiancé to then return the favor in there.
01:56:29.580
I was already financially supported by my fiancé at the time, so when we paid for his ring,
01:56:35.240
I've never been engaged, so I've never done it.
01:56:36.280
Yeah, but that's a great question, I don't know the answer to that.
01:56:41.040
I could be wrong, I've never been proposed to or married.
01:56:45.440
I think that the mass majority of men buy both of them.
01:56:48.420
A man's ring costs a lot less than a woman's ring, let's be clear.
01:56:51.360
Yeah, the question is, did he spend more on the ring that he gave you than what you spent for his?
01:57:00.080
Okay, we should try to avoid doing these, like, exception-to-the-rule arguments because it's not really productive.
01:57:12.720
But okay, so I'm just trying to get an understanding here.
01:57:19.800
A guy should kneel, a guy should spend thousands of dollars on a ring, but bowing bad.
01:57:30.960
We can't guarantee a guy's going to propose, so why bow to a man every day who might not even, like...
01:57:43.080
Well, but, like, I just don't see how that's, like...
01:57:45.800
I'm just, I guess my question is, so, in a relationship, there are things that you expect to go both ways.
01:57:59.340
I understand that, frankly, I think both men and women are lacking in this regard.
01:58:04.460
But women certainly aren't shy about complaining about men's poor communication skills,
01:58:10.500
although perhaps it's the case that men and women communicate differently.
01:58:13.300
In any case, good communication, loyalty, treating each other well, being kind to one another,
01:58:22.520
putting, caring about the other person's needs, these sorts of things, right?
01:58:27.880
Being there for your boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, husband, whatever, wife.
01:58:32.060
However, on top of all that, there, it occurs to me that there are things specifically expected of men.
01:58:47.060
Shouldn't we expect the same from a woman, though?
01:59:17.040
I think it goes both ways, but, like, you should have to emotionally rely on your partner both ways.
01:59:24.440
And, like, that's, in a way, protecting each other, because you're protecting each other's emotions, you know?
01:59:29.440
So, you don't think, when it comes to the ways in which men protect women, that's not uniquely male?
01:59:37.760
I mean, I think a woman could do the same for a man.
01:59:45.160
Well, however, there are some circumstances, just due to the physiological differences between men and women.
02:00:04.540
And I understand that these scenarios are pretty rare.
02:00:07.540
Like, most people are not gonna encounter situations where there's, like, a physical violent threat.
02:00:15.120
And the expectation, even if it never happens in your lifetime, there's an expectation that the man would intervene on behalf of the woman.
02:00:25.040
Even if it never happens, the expectation is there.
02:00:34.760
I think a woman should do the same for her man, too.
02:00:36.940
Well, the difference is, though, and maybe that might be true, men don't expect it of women.
02:00:48.480
Like, for example, if, like, some shit is going down, if my girlfriend, like, I don't know, there's, like, a situation or whatever, and my girlfriend were to run away, the girl I'm dating were to run away, like, scared,
02:01:00.800
I wouldn't lose attraction for her due to her cowardice.
02:01:06.100
Like, I wouldn't lose attraction for her due to her lack of, like, heroism or bravery in a situation.
02:01:15.340
However, I think most women, if they saw their boyfriend-husband act cowardly, to cower in some way, to run away, to not act in a heroic way, to not display bravery, would, either consciously or subconsciously, lose attraction for him.
02:01:36.360
Look, it's not the case for all women, but if you see your boyfriend, just get the shit kicked out of him, and this is really probably a rare occurrence.
02:01:48.320
Most women, you know, most people go through life, and they're not getting into fights all the time, right?
02:01:58.200
Before we do, though, let me let some chats go through.
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Chair three, does your husband not do things that are embarrassing and humiliating for him for your sake?
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But he does them anyway and suffers silently through it because he loves and respects you?
02:02:19.300
He, I mean, if he did, he probably wouldn't be embarrassed.
02:02:27.420
And we have another one coming from Pasty George, and then I'll ask you a question.
02:02:34.940
Chair three, it sounds like you are taking your husband and what he does for you for granted.
02:02:40.340
That is one of the first steps that women take before climbing the rest of the ladder to divorce.
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I just won't pow, and he thinks we're going to get divorced.
02:03:06.860
You said, had it been established early on, if it had been something like in the beginning
02:03:15.840
when we were dating, he's like, just so you know, this is something I want, maybe it would
02:03:23.480
But if it was now, and he's like, I have this new expectation that I want you to start bowing
02:03:28.700
I would think that was weird, and I would not want to do it.
02:03:42.920
The question is, I guess going this way, if you saw your boyfriend just get beat up, just
02:03:54.020
the shit kicked out of him, and he's all knocked out, all fucked up, would you lose a bit of
02:04:06.240
I think I would just be more upset at the situation.
02:04:31.500
Have you had the experience and what would happen?
02:04:33.220
Um, I've had an experience of like being with a guy at a ball and like he was going to start
02:04:46.720
I, my only question is, is it a one-on-one or a group setting?
02:04:49.920
Because if he gets jumped by 10 men and he gets his ass whooped, I'm going to beat.
02:05:11.940
It's never happened to me, but I don't think I would lose like any attraction.
02:05:15.960
I don't think it's happened to me and I don't think I'd lose attraction to him.
02:05:22.480
And honestly, a feminine trait is like nurturing and, you know, you want to nurture your man.
02:05:30.580
So if they get their shit kicked, then you're like the nurturing instinct like comes out.
02:05:35.960
You don't lose attraction and still nurture them.
02:05:39.400
How do you not know if he's, like how you don't know if that's ever happened to you?
02:05:51.520
Like did he get beat up and then kind of hide it maybe?
02:05:54.120
I feel like a few situationships maybe have maybe, but I don't know.
02:06:12.560
Maybe that's not the best question, but, um, let's say, hmm, trying to think.
02:06:23.680
Would, would there be an expectation on your part if you were out with your boyfriend
02:06:28.360
and, I don't know, you're in like kind of a restaurant, bar environment and some guy
02:06:36.480
walks by and like says like, hey babe, nice ass or like something inappropriate.
02:06:47.120
Do you want, do you want your guy, maybe he doesn't get in a fight, but you want him to
02:06:56.720
If he gets sexually, like that's sexually harassing your woman.
02:07:03.580
And it'd be the same if like he got sexually harassed by, like I'd say, like I'd say something
02:07:13.420
Although women tend to, like female conflicts tend to not as frequently result in physical
02:07:21.100
And then the stakes are way higher when men are fighting.
02:07:31.940
I've honestly never gotten in a physical fight with a woman.
02:07:42.440
Maybe it leads to a, it could lead to a physical confrontation, but it's less likely.
02:07:47.800
However, if I step to a guy, even if I'm in the right and I'm like, yo, what the fuck?
02:07:55.060
That's my, like, you know, I'd tell him, hey man, that's not cool.
02:07:58.960
There's a risk anytime you're dealing with men that it could get to physical.
02:08:20.620
There's a risk, but in every verbal confrontation that you've ever had with a man, how, what
02:08:29.620
I attempt to avoid completely unnecessary verbal altercations with men.
02:08:36.420
And how many times when you have gotten in it, has it escalated to physical confrontations?
02:08:42.480
You know, like how many times has that escalated to a physical fight?
02:08:45.840
Well, because my goal is to avoid like street violence.
02:08:54.460
I don't go around picking verbal fights with, with men.
02:09:00.800
But I don't see how that has anything to fucking, you're in fucking la la land.
02:09:06.600
You were saying, you literally said that like generally it'd lead to a physical confrontation.
02:09:18.300
No, I said, I said the risk, the risk is higher as compared.
02:09:25.580
As compared, as compared to when two women are verbally arguing, sometimes that could escalate
02:09:36.580
However, women typically are less likely to resort to physical violence.
02:09:42.040
Men, on the other hand, if you're in a verbal altercation with a man, two men, that risk
02:09:47.520
is higher in men, it ending up into a physical, a physical violence situation than it is in
02:09:55.280
Unless it's like role play and you're like role playing like a CNC scene, you know, and
02:10:05.080
I think it's just because men tend to be more aggressive.
02:10:14.580
Thank you for being honest about losing attraction for your boyfriend or husband if they got beaten
02:10:30.680
Um, uh, we were talking about like protection and you were saying, well, hold on protection
02:10:39.720
The point is, is that typically there is going to be a larger gendered expectation on men to
02:10:59.240
If I'm living with a girl, if we're married, that falls on me.
02:11:06.020
If she wants to own a firearm, all the better, good for her.
02:11:11.300
But most majority of women probably aren't on that page.
02:11:17.640
So the protect, the protection of the household, the protection of her, eventually the protection
02:11:22.560
of our children, like for example, if there's a noise in the night, the, the general gender
02:11:30.120
dynamic is not, I'm not going to look to my girlfriend and be like, Hey, go downstairs
02:11:37.320
Most women be like, what the fuck you're bitch made.
02:11:44.420
And if there's a home invader, I will dispatch the home invader.
02:11:48.280
I'm not going to look to my girlfriend who's fucking 110 pounds to go deal with that.
02:12:00.260
So explain to me though, if it's the case that this is a one directional gender expectation
02:12:06.060
for men to be protectors, that's something exclusively that men do.
02:12:11.300
And then as it relates to providing, also, I believe protecting isn't just physical threats,
02:12:16.580
but you need to protect your girlfriend, wife, whatever from threats of mind.
02:12:25.940
So there's a massive amounts of propaganda in society, massive propaganda.
02:12:38.200
Like, for example, and look, I know there's some women at this table might be upset by
02:12:41.840
this, but for example, I think there is a motive in society to make women as insecure
02:12:54.900
And this is so that billion and trillion dollar corporations can leech, leech, there's a better
02:13:02.180
word than leech, can siphon money from the pockets of women as it relates to cousins,
02:13:13.560
They want you to be insecure so you can buy that blush.
02:13:16.800
They want you to be insecure so you can buy that foundation and that everything.
02:13:25.320
They've had you before you could even conceptualize, before you can even reason, before you can
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They've had, they have most of these women when they're like 13.
02:13:36.140
Women are wearing makeup very young and there, there's a very strong incentive to keep people
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This, this goes into the plastic surgery industry.
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So from my purview, if I'm dating a woman and she doesn't have any plastic surgery and she comes
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to me and she says, you know what, Brian, I'm on my, I have an A cup.
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Don't go and get a dangerous and unnecessary surgery that's, you know, there's all kinds
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There's no medical reason, you know, except for rare, you had a breast removed due to cancer.
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There's really no medical reason for breast implants.
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I think men have a duty to protect, not just physically, but of the mind.
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So I need to guide her and protect her from the malevolent and evil influences of society
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And I agree with you, actually, because like, but I also think you should be supportive no
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No, being supportive is not allowing my girlfriend or wife to be bamboozled.
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By the, the, what's the best way to phrase this?
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Humans have got on just fine for thousands of years without painting your face or getting
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Now it's one thing if, look, I meet a girl, look, if she's already had it done.
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It's going to be a hard sell to be like, Hey, get that shit taken out.
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However, if she comes to me and I'm already dating her and I would hope that she would
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look to me to give her guidance on decision making.
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It's not a deal breaker, but it's my preference.
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But also just to be clear, like when I say it's not a deal breaker and preferences, like
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it would be my preference to date a woman who's a trillionaire.
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That's not to say like I would have, I wouldn't be dissatisfied if I dated a girl who worked
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Is this now our turn to break down why a trillionaire would never date you?
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Well, no, but the difference, the difference here would be my bare minimum is she has to
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So I guess when I say it would be my preference, like we, when we're dating, obviously it would
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be our preference to get like the most, like in every single thing that matters, looks,
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money, personality, you know, all the characteristics that everybody cares about.
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Well, the ultimate manifestation of that is like the richest person in the world.
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But of course, all of you would, well, most of you would date a guy and have, there would
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be no issues in the relationship whatsoever if he earned way less than billions and billions
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So when I say preference, like, you know, we're, I'm using it more so not as a bare minimum,
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but the ultimate manifestation of what somebody could potentially want.
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My boyfriend actually doesn't like body piercings.
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And I had my belly button pierced since I was like 16 and he had mentioned it a lot.
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Like, I don't, if it makes him happy and he likes it, then I'm more power to me and to
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Sounds like people settle for what they can get versus what they really want.
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If your husband said he didn't like your tattoo, would you get it removed?
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And the relationship because of this small little thing.
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I mean, if he checks all these other boxes and he just wants the piercing out.
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I mean, the, the other component here, the other component, how do you know she's unhappy?
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The other component of protecting is if eventually, and look, maybe some of you don't want kids,
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you have to protect the family and there are threats from society, from society that will
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So, oh, you, I'm not going to get too political with it, but oh, okay.
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Your kid goes to school and, you know, makes a passing comment.
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Go talk to the counselor and, or go talk to like, I don't know what they do in fucking
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Oh, we should get you with the school psychologist.
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And then they go, I need to protect my child from that.
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There's other, there's other things too that you need to protect your children from.
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Because you're already shutting down your child's sexuality before they can discuss it.
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You're not going to put that, you're not going to put that label on him.
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I have a two and a half year old and one of my biggest fears is something being put in
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front of him that he doesn't, kids are meant to play.
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They're meant to learn, keep all the other shit out.
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I have to, I am going to have to wait one moment.
02:21:10.980
Um, uh, you also said that, hold on, we're going to come back to this, but you said you
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got involved with an older guy, you were together for two months and the first night you guys
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Um, we may have did a little too many drugs and I got knocked up.
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I decided to have an abortion because I didn't want to have a kid.
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So imagine getting knocked up and then you also get chlamydia from the guy.
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So like, I was like, I'm going to abort this baby because I just feel like that's not in
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my morality to like bring a child into the world considering the current day that we are
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Cause then you have questions like this where it's like, if my child wants to be a boy or
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girl, like it's better to just avoid that in all.
02:22:32.760
Uh, should a guy pay if he takes you on a date?
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But also like, I wouldn't care if a guy didn't open the door for me.
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Would you agree that only women who are ladies deserve chivalry?
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If you pick up a girl from Figueroa, open the door for her and give her a few extra hundred
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Uh, so I mean, my point would be you expect men to like pay for dates, do chivalrous stuff.
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Uh, you might find men who are simps who are willing to treat you like one.
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Uh, I think the fair trade-off is if a man should be chivalrous, the woman should be virtuous.
02:23:30.000
Um, I think the fair trade-off is if a man should be chivalrous, the woman should be virtuous.
02:23:54.480
I just want to say that you make money off of...
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I said you make your money off of trolling women.
02:24:09.620
Well, because you're trolling me, but you make your money off of trolling women.
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Over what they decide to do with their bodies, and you're transphobic, and you're racist.
02:24:19.060
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if you got shot like Charlie Kirk.
02:24:43.660
Sorry, guys, we're gonna wait for Felicity, uh, here, we're gonna scoot everybody down the seat, and then Felicity, or everybody just scoot down the seat, and take your cups with you.
02:25:01.060
Oh, yeah, leave the mics, just move down the seat.
02:25:03.060
Oh, yeah, leave the mics, just move down the seat.
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I mean, you probably shouldn't have gone the intro.
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Chat, did you guys hear the whole thing, or did it cut?
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I don't know if there's a criminal liability there.
02:26:47.060
I mean, normally I just kick people off, but...
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I need to do one thing on my phone here super quick.
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Like, literally nothing was cool about anything she said.
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I mean, it's pretty obvious she just really wanted attention.
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And she wanted to, you know, try to sabotage it in some way.
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Yeah, just make everybody uncomfortable and try to throw a wrench in it.
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I kind of, from the very early get-go, with the yellow card, I knew that the kick was
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I'm just kind of getting some stream stuff going here.
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By the way, didn't say anything transphobic whatsoever.
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You can wish the best for people who are trans and also not want children to take puberty blockers.
02:28:24.060
You can not want children getting, like, surgery.
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Not sure where she pulled the racist thing from.
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That's just the script that she has to go down.
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And Chair 4, who just left, is what the next generations of women are turning into because of being infected and influenced by feminism.
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Definitely think feminism is part of the reason.
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Like, she was trying to, like, make some virtue stand that I'm a racist and transphobic.
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When, like, the preceding statement was she was advocating for allowing children to be active with each other.
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She also stated she would be fine with her kids watching her be active online.
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She said way too many things and there's no way she thinks that way.
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Yeah, can you pull it up and I'm going to have Claire read it.
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If a man asks you to go through gun safety classes to help protect the home, would you?
02:30:54.060
I need to do something for my good friend, Pasty George.
02:30:57.060
Pasty George here on my new show, whatever Wednesdays.
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Not a set time yet, but it's going to be Wednesdays afternoon, probably between...
02:31:07.060
Eventually, I'll probably set a precise time, but it's around, like, three to four is when I'll start doing it.
02:31:23.060
Maybe or I think he might even at this point have overtaken grid one motor.
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Wait, Pasty George, you haven't been doing the special TTS thing.
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You have to do exactly two hundred and four cents.
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Two hundred point zero four for the special TTS thing.
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When I was a kid, orange was my favorite color.
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I mean, I bought it, but he gave me the money to buy it.
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So this is gonna be my new primary phone, Pasty.
02:32:42.060
What I was doing earlier is I'm just gonna have it up...
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I've been having it here, and it's just gonna read the TTS.
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This is the first ever whatever podcast unboxing.
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I need the overhead camera, you know, so I could, you know, show them.
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I'll do an unboxing, but I'll keep the conversation going.
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You were discussing if your child was being told that they might possibly be trans.
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Yeah, basically, I'm just saying men need to be protectors in, uh, in their families and
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look out for their children, look out for their wife, look out for their girlfriend, and,
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uh, you know, not, not necessarily listen to what society is saying, not listen and just
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have a grounding in what is best for your family and children.
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I won't be able to use it now, because I gotta, like, set it up.
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Like, here's my problem, and maybe the ladies can confirm.
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Like, you know, my old phone, it was an iPhone SE.
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And like, when I'm just like, you know, in bed, my hands get kind of tired.
02:35:18.060
If I'm just like, holding it, or I'm in the pool or whatever, and I'm holding my phone,
02:35:42.060
You know, I need like a really lightweight, thin phone, because I get cramps in my hand.
02:35:48.060
You know, if you want to do an iPhone Air pop...
02:35:58.060
Look, I'm just saying I have dainty gamer hands.
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Like, I'm gonna look at my phone for 30 minutes.
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You're gonna make him send you more money for your iPhone.
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Or, I don't know if the girls had any thoughts on that.
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Like, from the beginning, when she said she started at 16, and then she was like, I had
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My mind was just like, what happened to you that made you, like...
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She changed it once you said that someone could get, like, arrested and in trouble for
02:37:47.060
When she messaged us and we asked her her age, she said 23.
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Top TTSers get a little special ding, as it were.
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That iPhone was a reward for Brian for hosting such an essential podcast for men,
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Your support for the show, like, because of you...
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I mean, look, we appreciate, even if you just watch, we appreciate everything, but we
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couldn't do this show without the patrons, the supporters.
02:39:16.060
No, the girl who was sitting there who are, like, intent...
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Honestly, I think some of that shit she was saying, she...
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Like, that kind of conversation, that's demonetization.
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In the first 10 minutes of the show, demonetized.
02:39:32.060
You can't talk, like, anything related to, like, children and, like, anything related
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And then also, um, yeah, we're not, you know, we're not exactly, uh, getting, like, mainstream
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I mean, if you count the debates and some of the other stuff.
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So, I appreciate everybody who supports the show.
02:40:49.060
Whether you want to, you know, send something...
02:40:51.060
Maybe we'll just go through the thing really quick.
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I need to get security, honestly, at this point.
02:41:43.060
And then check if you have a Prime sub available.
02:41:56.060
You can link it super easily to your Twitch account.
02:42:01.060
I mean, you obviously have to pay for the Amazon Prime.
02:42:48.060
I personally love the Big Labia Matter t-shirt.
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Because all labia can't matter until Big Labia Matter.
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I'm dealing with unhinged prostitutes and shit.
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Because there are hinged prostitutes, by the way.
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And that's even before she threatened your life.
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I like that you had to finish the questions, though.
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Just to make sure you squeezed out all that right before.
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And I hear him when he said on the side, like, I got it.
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I'm going to get you on camera saying some dumb shit.
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Just got her on camera saying some ridiculous shit.
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I mean, she did it all on her own without any...
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Had it not gone down the child route, I mean, yeah.
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If you're gonna troll, you can't make it so obvious.
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I don't think she was self-aware enough to realize that it was...
02:45:54.060
I wanna give you guys, you know, some attention now.
02:46:13.060
You have a very reputable show and it's fantastic.
02:46:27.060
I'm being a bit generous there with the reputable.
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But maybe I'm being a bit self-deprecating there.
02:47:15.060
We're gonna do a super chat world record speed run.
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Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
02:47:45.060
Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
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I hate that I have to go first every time, but...
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Well, I feel like everyone has a different like, preference.
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Yeah, and then scooting to the table a little bit.
02:50:00.060
But according to the ratings, I would have to be...
02:50:04.060
I mean, if I give myself a five, the only question would then be, do I disagree with your ratings?
02:50:10.060
But because you guys are somewhat reasonable, I don't really feel the need to give you guys too much pushback.
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Obviously, you probably think I'm, like, super toxic and a piece of shit, whatever.
02:51:39.060
It's kind of, like, hard to look at him sometimes.
02:51:47.060
Are you saying, like, I'm intimidating or something, or...?
02:51:50.060
Yeah, like, because your eyes are just so blue.
02:52:03.060
Because the people want a close-up of your eyes.
02:52:25.060
You know what would be funny is, like, at some points during the show, somebody just,
02:52:50.060
I'm going up that close to a camera in my face.
02:52:52.060
I'm going to see if anything can get up for just a moment.
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I had a dog that name, and that's not a diss on her.
02:54:58.060
Do you want me to just go down the questionnaire?
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Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
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It kind of depends on the species of bear and the...
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Because if I ran into a man at like three in the morning...
02:55:33.060
People typically hike like in the morning or afternoon.
02:55:46.060
I mean, I guess it kind of, again, depends on the time of day.
02:55:50.060
Like if we're going hypothetically, like generally, I guess.
02:56:00.060
Like I really wish I could be like bear, but like a man.
02:56:13.060
Like if I ran into a man at three in the morning...
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Because I feel like the point of that is like, you know, like...
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Do you think that bear will be less of a raper?
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Well, I've read it's one in four, but I think it's a lot higher.
02:56:53.060
Because every woman I know has been sexually assaulted.
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And a lot of men I know have also been sexually assaulted by men.
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I don't think anyone in their life hasn't been sexually harassed or assaulted.
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My best friend was just sexually assaulted by a woman.
02:57:45.060
No, no, I'm not asking like, who do you, how many people do you think have been assaulted?
02:57:49.060
I'm asking like, how many men do you think are likely to sexually, or have sexually assaulted someone?
02:58:06.060
Even if it were in, like, unintentionally, like, yeah.
02:58:10.060
Do you think every single man that you've passed on the street, do you think your dad has sexually assaulted someone?
02:58:21.060
Do you think they've sexually assaulted someone?
02:58:32.060
Well, I wouldn't be like, oh, like, I wouldn't accuse them of that, but like, I just think it's very, very common and unlikely that it wouldn't happen, you know?
02:58:50.060
I don't know the documented statistics, but also I know a lot of survivors are very scared to open up about that.
02:58:59.060
Yeah, there's, like, undocumented, but what do you think the statistic is?
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Random, or random man or random bear on a hike.
02:59:17.060
Well, I've, I've been on hikes and I've come across random men, but I haven't come across a bear yet, so I would say the man.
02:59:37.060
Well, you said, I said, yeah, but I wish I could say bear.
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Because I get the point of that question is to, like, point of that question is to, like.
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The point of the question is to, like, show that, you know.
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I mean, because her response was basically around bear.
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So, you're saying that, like, every man that you pass on the street, you think they've sexually assaulted someone or would like to sexually assault you?
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Do you think that your career option that you have right now kind of, like, skews your brain?
03:00:30.060
You are constantly around men who are probably not, like, the nicest people on the planet?
03:00:35.060
Yeah, but also every woman outside of it that I've met has been sexually assaulted.
03:00:40.060
And, like, a lot of men I have met have been sexually assaulted by men as well.
03:00:46.060
But to say that every single man on the planet has sexually assaulted somebody, you don't think that's outrageous?
03:00:53.060
Well, she asked if they have or have thought about it.
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I said, how many men do you think are sexually.
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But, like, you're saying that, like, you think even, like, your father has done that and, like, your uncles and nephews and such.
03:01:14.060
I'm not going to accuse them again, but I'm just saying that it's probably, like, more likely than not, you know?
03:01:35.060
At first she said man, then she said, I wish I could pick bear, and then she went on to say that she thinks, like, 99.9% of men are sexual predators.
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I'm just saying it's very, like, I don't want to think they're not.
03:01:55.060
Do you think they would be offended if, like, they heard you saying that?
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Like, what if I was like, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a neo-Nazi.
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I don't understand where she comes to this conclusion.
03:02:43.060
Guys, if the TTS has come through, please don't, like, talk over it.
03:02:47.060
I know that YouTube has limits, but we could still, I think we could still do it, I guess.
03:02:55.060
I had to step away there, so some of these are coming in a little bit late.
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Is this patronizing or is this sort of patronizing?
03:03:43.060
I've talked to younger people and they're like, Nirvana?
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I just said a Michael Jackson song and we're like the same age.
03:04:13.060
Hey, you need to send in $200 to actually have that question be read out loud and then
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My point is because of my trauma, I don't trust any man no matter who.
03:04:29.060
You need to step up your game and then we'll talk about your question.
03:04:32.060
My issue with that though, here's my issue with that, is what if we extend this justification
03:04:43.060
Say somebody's been traumatized by a black person.
03:04:47.060
Does your statement that you made about men all of a sudden transmute into a racist
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one if you say, well, I've had trauma from black people.
03:05:07.060
I guess this specific view comes from trauma and it is misandry.
03:05:19.060
Not, like generally, no, but I think when it comes to trusting men, my trust for men
03:05:28.060
is at a zero, which could be viewed as sexist or misandrist.
03:05:34.060
So you would consider yourself misandrist then?
03:05:39.060
Well, okay, and some, you're not, you don't take on the title in total?
03:05:54.060
I think in any other regard, no, but I think I've had a lot of negative experiences with
03:06:03.060
And I think misogynistic men also have trauma with women that make them misogynistic.
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I think also statistically though, like your, your point of view is supported because you
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can fact check me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure 80, 82% of like minors who get
03:06:21.060
assaulted are women and 90% of like assault cases are women and like more than 95% of sexual
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So I feel like if you do have like a distrust for men, like it's, it is backed by statistics.
03:06:37.060
But this justification, even if it is the case and mind you, a lot of these, you know,
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They can oftentimes be false, but just for the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and grant
03:06:53.060
Men are overrepresented in certain crime statistics.
03:07:01.060
Although I do think a lot of these statistics are mischaracterized.
03:07:06.060
For example, women will say, well, the majority of people who commit the crime of rape are
03:07:12.060
Well, if by the definition, the legal, the criminal legal definition of rape prevents women from
03:07:21.060
While we as a society might say, well, somebody who's, you know, like a woman who takes advantage
03:07:27.060
of somebody like we would call her a rapist criminally.
03:07:34.060
So if you actually look in these jurisdictions, women can't be convicted for the crime of
03:07:44.060
I'm just saying that's really, you can look into it.
03:07:46.060
So if the crime of rape there, you as the perpetrator have to penetrate them, then women, I guess
03:07:57.060
technically, like if you were to stick, I don't want to get detailed.
03:08:00.060
If you want to like put your finger, you know, whatever.
03:08:04.060
Like if you penetrate somebody as a woman without their consent under, under that circumstance
03:08:10.060
that, but, but like, for example, made to penetrate wouldn't be, wouldn't constitute
03:08:20.060
But so when these statistics are presented and look.
03:08:35.060
But it is, it is, it is the case in a lot of jurisdictions where women can't be found
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Lee, uh, criminally liable, criminally, criminally guilty for the crime of definitely
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I think unless they, they can be, they can be, uh, found guilty of other sex crimes.
03:08:54.060
But the specific crime of rape in certain jurisdictions, it, you have to penetrate.
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But there's a penetrative something of your own body parts.
03:09:05.060
I mean, you know, you can penetrate a man with something forcibly.
03:09:11.060
But like, for example, um, like if a woman like holds a guy's arms down and he's clearly
03:09:16.060
policing and she, she for, or she has a gun and she forces him to penetrate her under
03:09:30.060
But if she held him down and forcibly penetrated him with something, would that be rape?
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But most rapes that, well, I would view it as rape if a woman forces a man to penetrate
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Reverse rape doesn't exist is what they're saying.
03:09:49.060
Well, they're, and by the way, it, the definitions vary by jurisdiction.
03:09:55.060
But in any case, to the central point, you were saying a little bit of a tangent there.
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You were saying, well, it is the case that men commit these crimes more frequently.
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Well, my first point would be, it's a really small proportion of men.
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And so while it is in this, I'll grant it, while it might be true that men commit these
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crimes more frequently, a really, really small percentage of men commit these crimes.
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And I think it's, it is bigotry to attribute to the group, the behavior of a criminal minority
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Like for example, the, the other complexity here is it then creates the opening, I guess
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you could say for racists to say, well, hold on.
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This minority group commits more crimes than Asian people.
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And there are crime statistics that do account for race, right?
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And so what is stopping an Asian person from justifying their racism towards black people
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And by the way, um, when it comes to almost all crimes across the board, Asian people commit
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They could look to Hispanic people and say, well, hold on.
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Black people commit these violent crimes more frequently than Asian people do.
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You would agree though, that to say, make some sort of blanket general statement about black
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No, no, but, but would you, you would agree that it wouldn't be fair to paint all black people
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as, you know, to, to start having bigotry or contempt or racist sentiment towards black
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people, despite the, the factual crime statistics that per capita, they do engage in certain crime
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What's the, I just, I just, I kind of forgot the question, but we were talking about you.
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You, it sounded like you were saying, well, she, she's kind of justified.
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Even if, you know, she didn't have her own trauma.
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I have crime statistics and it shows that men commit these crimes more often than women.
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Ninety eight percent of, you know, perpetrators of this crime are men.
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And you're essentially trying to get to, well, that's the justification for women's lack
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of trust in men or, you know, whatever it is, bigotry.
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The difference is, is I would say, while we can acknowledge that crime statistics are true
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and that there are discrepancies between men and women, even between races, that I would
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never go, even though, you know, for example, black people commit more violent crime than
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I would never say, well, we should treat the entire group.
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We should, we should treat this entire group and appraise them generally and appraise an
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individual black person who we don't know anything about as potentially being more violent.
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Do you have a counter to this or, well, do you want to like revise your position or do you
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But I mean, so I guess what, what were you trying to get at by saying, well, men commit
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I just wanted to bring up the statistic that it is like a 90% plus statistic for like sexual
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So like if you do take that into account, not saying that all men do this or that woman
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can't be like sexual predators, I'm just saying that like, I would understand why she has trust
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issues just based on like statistical, maybe like, you know, her own experiences.
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If a white person had their own individual traumatic experience with a, with a black person,
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And then they also showed you, Hey, look at, look at these crime statistics right here.
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Like would you just, do you think their racism, racism is justified?
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I think it's just, well, do you tell me what it is?
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I'm not saying that all men are like, well, here was your framing.
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You said you understand why she doesn't trust is, was that the right word?
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Well, I'll just use the exact same language, but input race.
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Would you say you understand a white person who doesn't trust black people because they've
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been victimized by a black person and they would show you they, and they can show you,
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trust me, crime statistics that show that black people per capita commit certain crimes
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disproportionately and commit crimes more often than white people or Asian people.
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Would you understand why somebody wouldn't trust a black person?
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But for me personally, like it would be different.
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That's where you and me differ where I would say, well, no, I don't think you should make
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generalized statements about black people or any other minority group, just as you shouldn't
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Look, I think your position is a bit untenable.
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You're going to have to either revise your position and say that, you know what, Brian,
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We shouldn't make like these bigoted comments or whatever, or like, you know, these attitudes
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Or you're going to have to open the floodgates to justified racism.
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I mean, that's the logical extension of your position.
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I had bad experience with this group of this person who belongs to this group.
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I have crime statistics that show this group does this commits X crime more often.
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So will you stand with me against racism and sexism, or will you allow for exceptions to
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sexism and racism so long as somebody has personally been victimized and they can show you crime
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I guess I'll stand with you and not allow any sexism.
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Well, I have a question into the mic if you can.
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Michael is the most famous person to step foot on earth to this day.
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Uh, you tell me your definition and I'll give you mine.
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The advocacy of women's rights and equal rights between genders.
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Uh, well, I disagree with your definition, but I'll give you two.
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I'll give you the charitable definition, which I don't think is actually the case.
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Uh, the first definition of feminism that I would give is women's advocacy period.
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Um, so even my charitable definition, it at feminism absolutely is never about equality.
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And to be clear, there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy.
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However, let's not parade around feminism as if it were actually at all interested in equality.
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Well, for example, um, I don't typically hear feminists ever doing any advocacy for men.
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Uh, the advocacy that they support, again, nothing wrong with this, but if we're using terms like equality, it should actually meet the criteria and definition for equality.
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Feminists dismiss, downplay, omit ways in which men could conceivably have things worse.
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Uh, there's plenty of statistics that actually can back this up that in many, many ways, men, things have it worse than women.
03:20:11.760
Uh, I think men and women each respectively have their own difficulties and struggles in life.
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But feminists actually refuse to acknowledge them because it would completely dismantle and crumble the, uh, fantasy of, uh, you know, what they've attempted to construct as women victims, women oppressed, men perpetrators, men, oppressors.
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Uh, in any situation, and here, here's the, really the killer.
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If there was a scenario where achieving equality came to the detriment of women, feminists wouldn't fight for it.
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And there are ways in which equality, like we're not equal, that would equalize us, where feminists would actively, because it's women's advocacy, right?
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Uh, where women would stand to, it would come to the detriment of women in some way.
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So for example, often in the court system, there's massive bias against men.
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Uh, if we saw, for example, while we wanted to try to equalize, you know, the, the, when we dispense punishments for crimes, well, there seems to be clear evidence that men receive harsher punishments for crimes, more fines, more jail time, longer probation, more likely to be convicted, all these sorts of things.
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Uh, also in the, like the family court system, civil court system, when it comes to family law, there is quite a bit of bias in the law against men.
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Now I'm not saying some women here have been divorced.
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I'm not, maybe you're divorced and go so great.
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I'm not saying that it's always the case, but there's definitely, for example, when it comes to child custody, there's a lot of assumptions made about the, uh, shoot.
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There's a lot of assumptions made about men's, uh, trying to think what the right word is here.
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Uh, there's a lot of assumptions made about men's, I guess, lack of, no, that's not it.
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Uh, like, uh, ability, capacity, but it's not quite that.
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It's on the tip of my tongue and it, I'm the type of person I can't move away from it until
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And so, for example, in Florida, I recall the, the court system was trying to, uh, make
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it so that when there's like a split, like, you know, there's, there's a child custody
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dispute, there are court systems in the United States where the courts would defer to giving
03:23:40.760
the mom custody and they were less likely to give husbands custody.
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I don't know the exact, obviously there's so many jurisdictions.
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And so we saw women's organizations and really big ones.
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I think it was a national organization for women or maybe one of these other ones in
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That wouldn't it be equal if men and women, when they're going through a dispute, it should
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just, shouldn't it just default to 50, 50 custody?
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It wasn't the case in Florida and feminists fought against it.
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And then the, the, obviously the big one, military conscription, women have had the vote
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Men are subject to the selective service system in order to be able to vote.
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You have to register for the selective service system.
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Women have, feminists have had a hundred years to equalize the draft.
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We don't see any feminist organizations ever saying, Hey, you know what?
03:25:18.760
We really don't want to go to war, but for the name and for the sake of equality, we're
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going to try to equalize the draft because that would be equal, equal, that would be equality.
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It's definitely doesn't give a fuck about equality unless that equality benefits women.
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Any equality that could conceivably detriment women, child custody stuff, draft, military,
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Well, I think you're speaking for corrupt, like groups, to be honest, and those are chauvinists.
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Feminism is equality between genders and a true feminist would like fight for equality,
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I'm pretty sure like, I don't know if one of these woke dictionaries tried to change the
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But in any case, I'm interested in the fruits of feminism.
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So it's very like a virtue signal to say, I believe in equality.
03:26:54.760
But if you look at their fruits, the fruits of feminism, the product of feminism, I never
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actually see any advocation towards any sort of equality where women could be disadvantaged
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I mean, I'm going to have to say that's chauvinism though.
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That's like a radical feminist, you know what I mean?
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Because like, I don't know, like true, true feminists would fight for equality between
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And I think that's like a misconception in the media.
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Well, I mean, it's just a, it's a no true Scotsman fallacy.
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This idea that, well, you know, those feminists, like the 99% of feminists that you're talking
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about, Brian, there are those like few good feminists.
03:27:57.760
I never, I've never seen feminists ever advocate for military conscription for women.
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I've never seen feminists ever advocate for equality where women somehow are disadvantaged
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or inconvenienced, or it, it strips them of some privilege that they've had in society.
03:28:16.760
Well, then that needs to change because that's not true feminism.
03:28:20.760
Well, feminists have had well over a hundred years to do this, but they don't.
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Shouldn't the mainstream feminist organizations that like have the political capital and the
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influence and the funding and the money, uh, shouldn't they be the ones who are advocating
03:28:51.760
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying because true feminism is like fighting for equal rights
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It's in the word itself, feminism, feminism, feminine.
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The word itself clearly would, would point towards, we don't care about equality.
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We want, uh, to secure benefits, privileges, rights for women.
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It's fighting for women's rights to be equal to men.
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I have a question about the draft, I guess for Brian and everyone else.
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Do you think like if say women were drafted, do you think they should be on the front lines?
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Or like more in, uh, hospitality type or like the kitchen.
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Like, but do you, do you think they should be on the front lines?
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I guess I don't have a stance on that, but like, why not?
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If they're more qualified than others, then yeah.
03:30:04.760
Well, I think that's more about like physical strength.
03:30:07.760
Our bodies don't, we're different from men, so.
03:30:15.760
If you normalize for sexually coercive acts, forced to penetrate acts, et cetera, women
03:30:20.760
account for 30 to 50% of perpetrators of grape.
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I'm sure this will shock many women, which is your privilege talking.
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But Brian, what do you think about my question?
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Your question being that, should women be on the front line if they do get drafted?
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Uh, well, by the way, curious guy, I think for the merch, the merch thing came up, Nick.
03:30:50.760
Yo, thank you for the, it looks like you bought a hoodie.
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Uh, I mean, well, first off, I think it's really unlikely that we're going to ever equalize
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Uh, if it would still be unequal because even if we did, I think, uh, what we would see
03:31:10.760
is, is that, uh, even if women did get drafted, they would overwhelmingly be put in support,
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Unless there was like some, as part of the draft, women are also compelled to fight.
03:31:25.760
Uh, they would just, like, do you think they should be on the front lines?
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So practically speaking, no, they shouldn't be front line, but if you're the opposing party,
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you're going to want them on the front line, but I wouldn't want for the sake of equality.
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And if, if equality is important, put them on the fucking front line.
03:31:54.760
But we're not men and women are not equal physically.
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Like men are typically generally stronger than women.
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So could that possibly make the military weaker?
03:32:08.760
As an American man, do you want women fighting on the front line to protect us as American
03:32:17.760
You typically don't want women on the front lines.
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They're just, they're not as physically strong as men.
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Even you look at like really fast, is it fast twitch?
03:32:32.760
Women are more prone to certain like knee injuries.
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Um, these, these sorts of things just because men are a little sturdier in terms of, uh,
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skeletal, uh, muscle, skeletal, musculo, hold on a second.
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Uh, so, and you know, you're in certain military situations, you're fucking sprinting
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and running and carrying a backpack and all this shit.
03:32:57.760
Um, but in any case, uh, yeah, men are better suited.
03:33:01.760
But I mean, if, if we want to live in a feminist utopian society, then yeah, women should probably
03:33:12.760
I mean, if we, if we uphold equality as this virtue in society and it's like, should
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female soldiers even be paid as much as men, like in the volunteer force?
03:33:24.760
Like, I'm pretty sure, uh, look, I'm not a military guy.
03:33:28.760
Maybe any military people in the chat can weigh in.
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My understanding is, is if you're in like active combat, right guys, you're getting paid
03:33:38.760
You're getting paid more if you're actually in combat, right chat military guys.
03:33:43.760
But like, if you're a, I don't know, Sergeant first class and you guys are just kicking it,
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Um, and there's a woman who's, or is it Sergeant first class or prime?
03:34:00.760
I don't know if you're fucking, is it Sergeant first?
03:34:25.760
I know that the derogatory term boot when they call someone.
03:34:28.760
But like, if you're not an active combat military people in the chat, men and women
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Like if you're just the same rank, you get paid the same, right?
03:35:05.760
I believe men and women should definitely have equal rights.
03:35:24.760
I'm just saying, and I do think that it should be 50, 50.
03:35:27.760
Should women in the WNBA be paid the same as men in the NBA?
03:35:32.760
No, they shouldn't because the viewership is different.
03:36:05.760
But the way they get paid is on popularity and viewership.
03:36:36.760
If they're the least viewed, then they should be getting.
03:36:39.760
I mean, I think they all get paid based on their viewership in general with any sort
03:36:51.760
The Chicago White Sox are not going to be paid the same way as like the Dodgers.
03:37:01.760
The base pay of a WNBA player versus the base pay of an NBA player.
03:37:14.760
I think some of them get paid like, I don't know, 70, 80,000 in the WNBA.
03:37:30.760
Well, if they have the least amount of viewers, then.
03:37:33.760
Do you think every team deserves to be paid differently in the NBA?
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Different teams and different players are compensated differently.
03:37:43.760
Like LeBron James gets paid way more than like some rookie.
03:38:00.760
Should an extra on the set of a Quentin Tarantino movie be paid the same as Brad Pitt?
03:38:09.760
So when you go to work at night, do you think everyone should pull tips or do you think
03:38:12.760
that you should keep what you earned based on your performance?
03:38:31.760
They're also fucking taking their clothes off and showing their butt holes.
03:38:36.760
Like what if you're just the best stripper at the strip club and you got some rookie
03:38:40.760
girl in there that doesn't know how to finesse these dudes into getting the private dances?
03:38:49.760
All the men, when they come to the step club, you get the dances.
03:39:08.760
And each section depended on, I mean, you could make 30 grand in one night.
03:39:14.760
I went there and I ran the bottle service program.
03:39:20.760
And the other girls in other sections started to get a little pissed off.
03:39:23.760
And they ran to the owner and I said, Gretman, I want to make more money.
03:39:25.760
So then they changed the rules after the Super Bowl.
03:39:28.760
No matter what section you're in, no matter how much service you're doing, everyone's
03:39:32.760
going to put their tips all together and everyone's going to go home with an equal
03:39:42.760
That's the same thing with like the sports aspect.
03:39:44.760
But granted, maybe you didn't realize that because.
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Like, you know, Sophie Rain, that girl who's allegedly made like tens of millions of dollars.
03:40:10.760
Can I start an OnlyFans and go to Sophie Rain and say, you know what?
03:40:18.760
She'd probably be like, if you work for it, then you, you know.
03:40:28.760
Is it because I'm not as, I don't have as many followers as Sophie Rain?
03:40:31.760
Is it because she's offering a different product?
03:40:38.760
Men make far less money in sex work than women do.
03:40:44.760
Like, men probably should get paid half of like.
03:40:47.760
And the women should subsidize the male sex workers.
03:40:59.760
Half of like, like if you make a porno with a woman, she should give you half of what
03:41:11.760
But if like, that's what the market, you know, if it costs more to.
03:41:14.760
She's getting you the exposure, you know, if that, no, that's Sophie.
03:41:20.760
So if let's say you're doing like a little thing with her and she's got a bunch of viewers
03:41:41.760
Bettina Arndt, once a prominent feminist, but now an advocate for men's rights, states
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that feminism is no longer about equality, but about advantaging women at the expense
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I like, I, I want to give you props because I see you actually like diving deeper beyond
03:42:13.760
what you feel in a conversation when you first initiate it or talking to it and I appreciate
03:42:21.760
You're, you're, you're, you're being reasonable.
03:42:23.760
Um, she's not going to be a stripper after this.
03:42:27.760
In your notes, you say, you'd love to talk about how Brian gets feminism confused with
03:42:32.760
Feminism is equality of the sexes and the advocacy of women's rights.
03:42:37.760
And ultimately you can't be a feminist if you don't advocate for equality and put one below
03:42:46.760
So like in a perfect world, I guess, you know, with perfect actors, communism, I guess,
03:42:56.760
So this utopian society or whatever, like how do you factor for greed?
03:43:05.760
How do you factor for people who are going to abuse the system that, you know, requires
03:43:10.760
everybody to be acting like in a really perfect or close to perfect manner?
03:43:15.760
Um, so it's kind of like, eh, feminists really aren't that way.
03:43:22.760
My second definition is feminism is women's advocacy.
03:43:41.760
You can't, you ever had like Chinese finger trap.
03:43:50.760
You can't remove the anti-male component of feminism.
03:44:04.760
Even if feminism isn't inherently male, which I would argue it is.
03:44:10.760
I said that the fruits of feminism are totally contrary to this.
03:44:16.760
Why is it the case that so many women who are exposed to feminism end up having sexist views towards men, who hold anti-male positions, who espouse anti-male rhetoric?
03:44:29.760
Ultimately, we can talk about definitions all day.
03:44:32.760
If in practice, what we see the fruits of feminism are, the product, the end result of feminism is, hey, this is a really good method to basically make women hate men.
03:44:47.760
Well, I can see how, like I, I've been hearing you speak and I can hear why you feel that way.
03:44:56.760
Because you haven't witnessed it any other way.
03:44:59.760
I've had a lot of self-proclaimed feminists on.
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Is patriarchy and the patriarchy theory a core tenant of the feminine, of feminism?
03:45:22.760
Like if you take a feminism 101 class in college, you get an introductory feminism textbook.
03:45:34.760
So that's the, patriarchy is the, the overarching framework that feminist, the feminist lens
03:45:51.760
Like, I'd say we live in a very male-ran society.
03:46:00.760
Under this patriarchy, under this male-ran society, are women as a group oppressed?
03:46:16.760
And even, even if it might not be the case now, although many feminists still claim that
03:46:19.760
women are oppressed, even in the United States.
03:46:21.760
I do think in some countries very much, yeah, for sure.
03:46:30.760
Um, I think it depends on like the context, you know?
03:46:40.760
Um, and then historically, and then current day, even though you, you seem to acknowledge
03:46:49.760
And now they're still oppressed, but not as much.
03:47:16.760
If women as a group are the oppressor class, men as a group are what?
03:47:36.760
I'd say yes, but also women oppress each other.
03:47:42.760
What are you supposed to do and think about your oppressor group?
03:47:56.760
But do you think if you tell somebody, hey, by the way, you are being oppressed by this group.
03:48:10.760
And, you know, they want to hold you down while elevating themselves.
03:48:14.760
Maybe you're like this, you know, hippie, peace, love, blah, blah, blah.
03:48:19.760
But do you think if you tell some people that they're going to be like, maybe have bad feelings towards that group?
03:48:34.760
So if you wholesale tell women, and this isn't like some fringe thing, like women who go to college, learn this.
03:48:42.760
It's all over social media, feminism is the mainstream narrative.
03:48:47.760
If you tell women that, by the way, men throughout all of human history have been abusive, they've been predators, they've mistreated you, they've taken away your rights.
03:48:56.760
And even still today, today, they still think XYZ bad thing about you.
03:49:10.760
You don't think that, you know, maybe the women are going to not have a really positive attitude towards men?
03:49:18.760
Yeah, but I also think there's a different approach to it.
03:49:24.760
Like if I was genuinely oppressed, genuinely, genuinely oppressed, not through the framework of like feminism, oh my God, oppression, blah, blah, blah.
03:49:38.760
We're going to overthrow these people by any means necessary, even if it means violence.
03:49:45.760
Well, I don't, I mean, I'm a hippie, but I don't think violence is ever okay.
03:49:50.760
You know, like I think I'm talking genuine oppression here.
03:49:53.760
Not like, oh, like, not like these sort of vague, like, I really want to be a victim.
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Like, oh no, I, a man wants to take care of me and I don't have to work.
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Oh, that's, I mean, that's a, that's a big story.
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Uh, free, you, you've, uh, you've basically fought against this traditional dynamic that men and women used to have.
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Women were central to the household, taking care of the children.
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Hey, look, I'm fine with women working, but I don't consider like men, I don't consider it necessarily oppression that women didn't have to work and men had to work.
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Like, in fact, I think that's actually perhaps even more oppressive.
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Like you think men back in the day when it was deemed oppressive could be like, you know what?
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And women, like if back in the day, they wouldn't entertain that sort of gender dynamic.
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So women upheld this, their own, I guess, from your purview, their own oppression by refusing to date men that didn't want to work.
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Women, women were never legally barred from working.
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Women could work at any point in human history.
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There was no legal like prevention from women going to college.
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There are some institutions that I guess didn't allow women in.
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But also if you look at how many people actually went to college, you know, college was reserved for like the mostly like pretty elite people.
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It depends how far back in history we're going.
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If back in the day there was a gender expectation for women to get pregnant and hundreds of years, like a hundred years ago or whatever, if we look at the mortality rate of women who give birth, like just practically speaking, let's say you have one daughter, one son.
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And back then the expectation for both your children is they're going to have they're going to get married and have children in their early to mid 20s, maybe even younger.
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If knowing back historically that women did run a risk of death when giving birth to children, like should we then invest that money?
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Like if you could only send one of your kids to college.
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But we know for certain both of them are going to have children.
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Does it make sense to send the person who's more likely to just die while giving childbirth?
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Historically, these are just realistic considerations that people took in terms of how should we invest our money into our children?
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Again, just beyond that, if the expectation was societally back then, you might say you disagree.
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But if the expectation was, well, hold on, this woman's going to have like four, five, six, seven children.
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Let me as the man who doesn't have to carry the burden of carrying a pregnancy for months, giving, you know, recovering from childbirth.
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Wouldn't it make sense to be like, you know what, let's send the men to do work and let's set the men up so that they can do that?
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I kind of don't think so because like I think, I don't know, just women deserve to be like as educated as men, especially back in the day because we're very important to society.
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So me personally, I'm fine with women having the choice.
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Like I almost view it as a bit of a privilege that women didn't have to work.
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Now you've basically found yourselves in situations.
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Would you trust relying on a woman for your living?
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Modern day, say you were jobless and you had no one to go to but your hypothetical girlfriend.
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Yeah, but this is interesting because I would argue that your husband is, I mean, look, there's a lot of issues currently with dynamics between men and women with marriage.
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What if you lost your, what if you, yeah, what if you lost your job?
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And the girlfriend had a job and you were, you'd both have to rely on her.
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Like, would you trust financially relying on a woman entirely?
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Wait, are you trying to be like, well, this is what women go through?
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Not necessarily, I mean, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here, I guess.
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Do you think anyone should have to financially and entirely rely on someone?
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You should not entirely, like, financially rely on someone.
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There's so many things that could, like, go wrong.
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But I don't understand this argument because all sorts of bad things can happen in corporations.
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You can be, I suppose there's ways in which, like, you know, your corporation goes bankrupt
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Like, bad things can also happen when you're working.
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Ultimately, though, you guys have traded being submissive to your husband to being submissive to
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an employer to being submissive to a cold, heartless corporation that will absolutely fire you.
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Like, look, I know there's bad men out there, but there's also wonderful, good men out there.
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And a corporation will never, ever, if you have a good man, will never approach the kind of goodness, I guess you could say, that you might receive from a man.
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The moment that you, you know, whatever, the circumstances change, corporation will get rid of you.
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That's not always the case when you're married to somebody.
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Not always, but it's not always the case in jobs either.
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Yes, but you've traded this idea that I don't need no man.
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And then the difference is most husbands are just glad you cook a little food for them.
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Instead, your job, your corporation is going to boss you, literally boss you around.
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Say, and a lot of men, honestly, they're, they're kind of simpy.
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A lot of men don't know how to put their foot down in a relationship.
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Most men are not, are honestly, there's a lot of nice guys out there.
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They're not going to boss you around the same way a corporation is going to boss you around.
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Married to the corporation and your corporation is going to say, show up here.
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You're going to stay here in this office and you're going to do this work.
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I made a ton of money on my own and I, yeah, I chose to stop working and then I let a man
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take care of, I chose to be subservient, submissive to a man.
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Um, I will say it is much better to be taken care of than to have to take care of yourself.
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Although my marriage wasn't perfect, just the stability of knowing that he's got it
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and I'm safe and I can become feminine and not have to be in my masculine and always fend
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That is much preferred to having to figure out how to reach that, that net every, every
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Again, you just have to choose the right person to support you because it is a miserable experience
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Having to ask for money if you've never had to do that before is not fun.
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But it is much better in life to have someone that you know, who's got your back, who is
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I think the women's movement honestly kind of screwed us because now we like, yeah, we
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get the choice to go to work, but in some sense, like we have to, to make our living.
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But then when you have children, now I work 40 hours a week.
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I have somebody that has to watch my kid all the time and I don't, while I do get to raise
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him, I don't, I'm not always there for the most important moments of his life.
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So we're just sending them off to other people to be raised when I want to just stay at home.
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Like I would love to be a stay at home mom and watch my kid grow.
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Also, uh, I look, I think women should definitely have the choice, right?
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I would love to see, honestly, I'd love to see women more in, uh, like in STEM fields
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where we can, uh, I use this term in the best way possible, exploit the intelligence
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and labor of women so that they can be studying, you know, can, can we throw both men and women
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Let's throw all our manpower and that would include women.
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Let's throw as much of our collective brain power towards solving some of these serious issues.
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But I think one thing, when you talk about choice, when you double the label, when you
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double the labor pool, you have taken choice away from a different subset of women.
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What about the women who previously they wanted to be stay at home wives, but now do the economic
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and financial reality where you really can't, you know, unless the guy's a really high earner,
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you can't really raise, have kids, have a house on one income.
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And part of that, again, women should have the choice, but there was so much propaganda that
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I think there should be also propaganda saying, Hey, also it's also really good and totally fine.
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And you're not less of a woman because you want to just have a family and be a stay at
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There should be propaganda in that direction too.
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But you've, the feminists have taken the choice away from the women who would love,
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That's, that's taken away from the majority of women now.
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So you've taken a, you've granted women one choice, but taken away another.
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Are you saying that women are the cause of the economic downfall?
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Like, well, so, you know, so I mean, when you would agree that there are cause and effect,
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Like certain actions, even if they're overall good, uh, like for example, you drive your
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People drive cars all the time, but we realize that this does create like, um, pollution.
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In this case, there's definitely going to be an economic impact.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't have, you know, necessary.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't have given women more choice, but one of the cause and effect
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scenarios, one of the, uh, consequences of doing this.
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If you double the labor pool, you double the labor pool, uh, effectively, there are, there
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are women who are working, but basically you double it up.
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You, you make it like the, the social status quo, the cultural zeitgeist that it's like,
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Uh, yeah, that's going to have an impact economically.
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Uh, if you double the labor pool that drives wages down, like if we just had an influx,
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like if every, I don't know how else to explain it, but yeah, that's going to make it so that
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That puts more power into the hands of corporations.
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They can pay their employees less because there's more competition.
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Again, I'm not saying that it's wrong for women to have labor force participation, but it
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Pursue career over marriage, over family, over children, family, bad children, bad.
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But it is the case that, yeah, you double the labor pool of people.
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Whether you think it's like worth, like at what cost, like if it's worth it to you, that's
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Do you think some men are less capable of working than women?
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There's women who are like insanely motivated and hard workers.
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Well, like some people are just smarter than others, you know, and can be more productive
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I mean, I think on a balance of probabilities, I think men are typically more motivated to
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Well, I mean, my argument against the wage gap, first off, there is a wage gap.
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If you account for all variables, if you account for all these variables, men work longer
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hours, men work more overtime, men get more hazard pay.
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Men are more likely to be in a geography that fucking sucks.
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Men are more likely to, I'm trying to think what else, did I say die on the job?
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Injuries, deaths, men go into fields that happen to pay more, all kinds of variables.
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If you control for all these variables, the wage gap shrinks.
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However, I would argue that women's expectation that men pay for first dates and men be providers,
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that actually is the, I would argue that the wage gap could be explained away by women's own dating preferences.
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If it is the case as a guy that, and look, I agree.
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So that'd be at least 51% or more, uh, majority strong preference that the guy pay for first dates.
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I don't know if it's a majority where it's a deal breaker.
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Let's say it's a 30% deal breaker, 30% of women.
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If the guy doesn't pay for the first date and we've had these women on the show, that's it.
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If he doesn't pay for the first date, it's over.
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This puts a massive pressure on men that never exists towards women.
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You almost never, women will almost never pay for everything on the first date.
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Like, yeah, maybe sometimes women go 50, 50, don't pay for the first date.
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So if it's the case that the barrier to men getting romantic attention, sexual access, girlfriend, wife is I have to have my, I financially, I need to be in a good spot as a man.
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And women put this burden and pressure on men that never gets reciprocated.
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Like most men are not like, well, if she doesn't pay for the date, it's a deal breaker.
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Um, and you guys would probably laugh if a guy said that shit, you'd be like, what the fuck?
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Um, that's like, that creates because of women's own traditional gender role expectation.
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That would just explain away the gender pay gap.
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Men are simply because of women's own expectations.
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Do you think men are highly motivated to, uh, well, let's start it simple.
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Do you think it, it's helpful in getting laid to pay for the first date?
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Do you think it would be, do you think it would be harmful when it comes to getting laid?
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If you're like, you made a fem, you made a stand, you know what?
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You think it would hurt, like hurt his chances?
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Well, in any case, it helps his chances if he pays for the date, right?
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Maybe also just helps his chances if he appears to be doing well financially.
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Well, and then beyond that, like if a girl's looking for like long-term, like if she's trying
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to figure out if this guy's good long-term potential, she probably wants a guy who's
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like, you know, not some, you know, doing well, right?
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You know, it might, it'd be more attractive if he's doing well.
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Do you think it's the case in the reverse for women?
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Men probably think more successful women are more attractive.
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But like for, at least for the first date, like, do you think a woman's income when a
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man's like, let's say it's just even keeping it to casual sex, not even relationship.
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Do you think a man care, like cares if she pays for the date?
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So women can, women can be, I mean, look, broke guys definitely get pussy.
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Maybe he would do a bit better if he was doing a little better.
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Is it really such a priority for men that they're like, I'm going to get laid.
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Is that what they're thinking when they're going on first dates?
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They, not to say that they only want that, but they want the total package.
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Are they also thinking I want a partner or is it like more sexual?
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If a man, if a man's looking for a partner and considers you to be an eligible partner,
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it's less likely that they'll attempt to sleep with you on the first date if they actually
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I mean like partners, obviously they have sex, but is that really like the main thing
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Regardless of the primary motivation, maybe sex is secondary or tertiary.
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Um, ultimately there, if the calculus is men need to have something going when it comes
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to money or they need to make an overt gesture that has a financial component, women are upholding
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the gender wage gap because it's basically like, I mean, I don't think that I'm, I don't
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Like, I'm not saying like have sex with homeless dudes.
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The homeless dudes, you know, but maybe, but maybe I'm just saying the reason men, it
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conceivably hypothetically or theoretically could be the case.
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The reason men earn more is because we are motivated to, because I think I look, women
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Obviously I'm not saying women don't want boyfriends.
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Women don't want a partner, but in order for a woman to get that her, her, the state of
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affairs of her money and finances is completely negligible, completely negligible.
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A woman's finances is never going to stop her from getting laid.
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It's never going to really stop her from getting a boyfriend.
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Whereas a man's state of affairs, as it relates to his finances, his money definitely will,
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Ultimately the argument here is women create the gender wage gap because you motivate, because
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men are really romantically motivated to make money.
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I mean, doesn't Jordan Peterson talk about the, uh, also the fact that men were willing
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I mean, there was a lot of things that could, there's a lot, there's a lot of reasons.
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There's a lot of reasons, but since it's a dating podcast, I do think that this, this actually,
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I think it's an, and I don't actually hear anyone else out there ever making this argument
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that it's one of the variables could just be men are just like, I don't know.
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Cause men are really motivated by sex and by women.
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Like if, like if, trust me, if we could fuck y'all in a cardboard box, we would, we would.
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He doesn't like, you know, we are very minimal, you know, we don't need much.
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You're not seeking to feel protected or cared for in that sense.
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You're not seeking any sort of financial dependence.
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We have some shots from the government of Canada.
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We know that you think and believe that the feminism out in the world right now is about
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But what Brian is trying to explain is that it is not current feminism is not about
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Also like to your point, pasty, I'm not interested in these dictionary definitions.
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Um, you can say it means equality all day long.
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Um, but if you look at the behavior of feminists, the messaging in feminist spaces, um, how the
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ideology is weaponized, media politics, culture, I think it overwhelmingly manifests as hostility
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I have, and I've also seen, um, but I just was trying to say that's not true feminism.
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Well, I mean, that's just no true Scotsman, but I mean, do you, I can see what you're saying,
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I, yeah, it's probably within the purview of the fret, uh, feminist framework, but why,
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I guess, why does feminism tolerate rhetoric that frames men as inherently toxic, predatory,
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uh, um, dangerous, oppressive, just for being men?
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Like that's in my opinion, misandry and like putting even societal norms and expectations
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on men that like, you can't like cry or you have to be the strongest man in the room or
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like, you know, there's a lot of sexist things pushed on men that shouldn't be.
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And like, I think that's like, you know, men should be allowed to like express their emotions
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And like, I guess the toxic masculinity is coming from like society pushing on man, men,
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this toxic expectation that they shouldn't feel.
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And they have to be like the strongest and make the most money.
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And I guess, but they, feminists oftentimes want to paint masculinity inherently as toxic.
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And I don't find that distinction particularly helpful.
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I would much like if feminism was about true egalitarianism, I would frame it like this.
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Perhaps it's the case that toxicity manifest itself differently between men and women.
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But I think attaching using the term toxic masculinity unnecessarily muddies the water and makes it confusing
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and sort of points to or suggest that masculinity in and of itself has a toxic element and is toxic.
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Like when you say toxic masculinity, there is some degree of suggestion there.
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I mean, you could argue a bit over the semantics and the word choice here.
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I think a lot of people will interpret that as a sort of condemnation of just masculinity as a whole, generally speaking.
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But I do, I mean, my next point would simply be, you know, you want to say, well, that's not true feminism.
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I would argue the main feminist framework and ideology is misandrist.
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If you look at mainstream, you know, we talked about schooling, education, feminist thought leaders, writers, thinkers.
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Ever since the start of feminism, there's a really clear track record of anti-male rhetoric.
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I think one famous feminist said we should cull, is the cull the right word?
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Men should start off in prison and have to prove themselves and work their way out.
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Well, you wrote, just because you wrote, feminist misandrist, which isn't possible.
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Well, I think there's radical feminists that are not even feminine.
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The men's rights activists, I think, are way more ideologically pure than feminists.
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But I think men's rights advocacy is like, way less toxic or problematic than feminism.
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Because I don't think in men's rights activism it, like, cakes in all this, like, class warfare shit.
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But testing out the logic, can a men's rights activist be a misogynist?
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Tell me what you, like, is that, like, is there men's rights activists, like, commonly?
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I guess I haven't done enough research on men's rights activists.
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Yeah, but I'd have to do more looking into that side, to be honest.
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For simplicity's sake, for simplicity's sake, men's rights activist would be, like, sort of, again, I think the men's rights framework is way more, is more palette.
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Well, some people, obviously, feminists would dispute this.
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I think it's more palatable because it doesn't smuggle in as, like, really anti-female rhetoric, typically.
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Okay, men's rights activists would be the mere opposite of feminists.
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I have, but I haven't, like, from the groups I have seen, they're all misogynistic.
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I think if they don't push for women's rights, too, then yes.
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If they don't push for equal rights, then it's, like, they're a misandrist and a chauvinist.
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But logically, if a men's rights activist could be a misogynist, then a feminist could be a misandrist.
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I said if they don't push for equal rights, then it's chauvinism, you know?
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You could be a feminist and want equality, but also hate men.
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Like, the two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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How can you hate men while pushing for equal rights, though?
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You're saying modern-day feminism isn't, but...
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But, okay, people who assume the title of feminist, you think it's impossible for...
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Like, you're trying to stick to the dictionary definition.
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You don't think that there's ever been a stated feminist who is a misandrist?
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Yeah, like, that's not feminism, but I'm sure they self-proclaim feminism.
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They self-proclaim feminism that isn't feminism because it's misandry.
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Well, if you're a self-proclaimed feminist and push for women's rights over...
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And you're a misandrist and hate men, then you're not a feminist because you're not pushing for equal rights.
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Feminism doesn't push for equal rights, though.
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And I'm just saying, I'm going by the definition in what I was taught.
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Yeah, even using your definition of feminism, I don't see how it would be impossible for somebody to...
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To, like, you can claim to be a feminist and also be a misandrist.
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You can also, basically, you can be a feminist and hate men.
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Doesn't hate men, but then one day she starts hating men.
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But I think even criminal defense attorneys probably genuinely hate, like, genuine murderers.
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Yeah, I think even criminals, even criminals who commit murder should be afforded certain rights in the justice system.
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I can also advocate for the rights of criminals.
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So, as it relates to feminism, I think a feminist could be like, you know, look, men and women should be equal, but I hate men.
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Like, you know, that's a criminal defense attorney.
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But what about the example I gave where I said, I'm not a criminal defense attorney.
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I hate people who commit murder, but I acknowledge even people who...
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Even they should be afforded rights under the justice system.
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Yeah, I guess I just have a different stance on it.
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Yeah, but I don't think these two positions are contradictory.
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I think that men and women should have equal rights, but also, you hate men.
04:28:12.720
I don't think women should hate men, but they're kind of compatible.
04:28:23.640
But I'm not going to change my stance or opinion on this, though.
04:28:37.840
But I think people should have the right to order pineapple on pizza.
04:28:45.820
I get what you're saying again, but I still have the same stance.
04:28:57.580
Fourth and final TTS tonight, late over here in the UK.
04:29:24.740
Yo, Pasty, my dainty hands holding up this phone, man.
04:29:47.860
Why should a woman that initiated a divorce get child support or alimony?
04:29:52.320
These are the types of women who are destroying the Western society and making men like Brian
04:30:01.340
So, just because my soon-to-be ex-husband has behaved in a way that was not suitable
04:30:08.960
He, therefore, does not have to pay me anything because I'm choosing to leave the marriage.
04:30:18.820
I don't think it was directed to you specifically.
04:30:24.820
But if a man behaves completely perfectly and this woman out of nowhere decides to leave
04:30:32.320
I think alimony and child support should kind of be divided up, too, because if a man willingly
04:30:37.820
had a child with you and you are still the primary parent and you don't make as much as
04:30:46.420
the other person, like, why wouldn't there be child support?
04:30:49.960
That money would get spent either way, married or not married on the child.
04:30:52.860
What does child support have to do with that specifically?
04:30:59.920
By the way, I just want to explain the no true Scotsman thing.
04:31:02.860
So saying it's not real feminism, that's called a no true Scotsman fallacy.
04:31:08.220
So if you build an entire movement, that movement becomes mainstream.
04:31:13.900
If you watch what it produces, you can't then, like, constantly disown the effects of that
04:31:21.160
So if an ideology consistently breeds anti-male rhetoric and anti-male sentiment, it's just
04:31:33.960
So the problem is with the ideology, not just the followers.
04:31:40.680
I guess I got to do my research on your side, because I get what you're saying and what you're
04:31:55.040
trying to say, but I haven't personally seen that in feminism.
04:32:02.120
So when we were talking about the patriarchy, right, you said you believe in the patriarchy,
04:32:08.980
So if you believe men as a group are oppressors, and oppressors, would you agree are inherently
04:32:22.220
Then how are you not going to end up viewing men negatively as a group?
04:32:28.140
Because true feminists would be like, but some men fight for it.
04:32:33.260
No, but the framework and ideology of feminism, the lens is patriarchy.
04:32:46.260
So the framework, you put those on, those are the feminist glasses, right?
04:32:55.120
They look at the dynamics between men and women.
04:32:58.600
They look at everything through the feminist lens.
04:33:05.400
And patriarchy theory paints men as a group, as oppressors.
04:33:09.500
If, again, I think you would have to categorize true oppression, you would categorize oppressors
04:33:21.540
If this is what feminism is propagating, wouldn't anyone start resenting the oppressor, the so-called
04:33:34.520
And so that resentment breeds contempt, and that definitionally would be misandry.
04:33:42.140
Ergo, feminists, not always, feminists are misandrist.
04:33:50.520
Some, sorry, I should say, some feminists are misandrist.
04:33:52.820
But, yeah, okay, well, I'll compromise with you there, but I still don't think.
04:34:12.480
Oh, like, for example, ask me the question about women.
04:34:21.320
Don't always agree with certain women on certain things.
04:34:29.000
If you ask women that question about men, that's not quite as positive.
04:34:33.860
Not typically a very positive response you get from them.
04:35:01.500
I know me and her have been talking quite a bit.
04:35:17.640
I enjoy being a woman, and I love all my women friends.
04:35:52.980
Basically, Chair One is stuck on an outdated belief of feminism when the current feminism
04:35:58.300
in practice today is based on advantaging women at the expense of men and demonizing men as
04:36:26.640
You're truly a Swifty, since they also believe everything here.
04:36:34.760
This is not going to be your true final TTS, because watch this.
04:37:00.300
I'm almost done with this feminist back and forth here, I guess.
04:37:22.280
Look, if an ideology reliably produces resentment toward one group, I ultimately, I don't care
04:37:34.900
I don't care what your dictionary definition is.
04:37:40.620
And I think that's what modern feminism has become.
04:37:53.120
Well, who here is a feminist going around the table?
04:37:56.420
I would consider myself a feminist by definition of, like, feminism is a movement to end sexism
04:38:11.840
Do men have any rights in this country that women don't?
04:38:25.580
As the two feminists, we'll have to answer this one.
04:38:30.900
Well, so your position, feminism's about equality.
04:38:34.020
Well, what is the lacking of equality as it relates to rights?
04:38:40.560
I mean, there's different forms of equality, but is it your position?
04:39:00.880
I think in the U.S., like, by law, yeah, we have equal rights, but it's like, for example,
04:39:06.860
we can all have, like, equal rights in terms of race, but racism can still exist, and, like,
04:39:11.680
so I feel like sexism can also exist, even though there are equal rights.
04:39:21.500
Well, I don't know if you guys think women can be sexist towards men, but you seem to
04:39:28.040
think, though, that in the U.S., what is a right in the U.S. that, because you, in the
04:39:48.020
Yeah, but is there, even if you can't think of it, is there any other right?
04:39:54.120
I just have to, like, think more on it before I give you a full response, you know?
04:40:05.200
Give me one other thing besides reproductive rights.
04:40:15.200
Under law, women have to be paid the same as men.
04:40:18.840
What is the right that is being infringed upon?
04:40:24.200
Okay, I guess I was like, but it's an unfair thing.
04:40:28.900
Well, my position, we already engaged on wage gap.
04:40:31.280
Wage gap doesn't exist, but it wouldn't be evidence of an inequality of rights.
04:40:43.340
Besides reproduction, one other way women don't have equal rights?
04:40:54.420
But, uh, reproductivity, and I want to say, like, still to this day, it's harder for women
04:41:15.020
Like, women are taken a lot less seriously in, you know, medicine and stuff, and, like,
04:41:30.480
There are plenty of women that have high-paying positions, are super smart doctors.
04:41:36.620
I think she's talking about, like, when a woman-
04:41:42.100
Yeah, the doctor is going to take her complaints less seriously.
04:41:53.520
Like, how would you demonstrate that if it was a man-
04:41:55.380
And from what I've heard and seen with other women, they haven't been-
04:41:59.560
Isn't it the case that women actually get more health care?
04:42:02.220
Like, women are more likely to go to the doctor.
04:42:04.740
They're more likely, you know, there perhaps is a debate over the quality of the care as compared
04:42:10.380
But isn't it at least true that women are more likely to go to the doctor?
04:42:18.740
Could it actually be the case that because women are more likely to go to the doctor,
04:42:23.000
when men finally do choose to go to the doctor, it actually is the case, could be the case,
04:42:28.340
that men actually present with more clear-cut symptoms of, like, holy shit, I've got a bullet
04:42:34.820
wound, whereas, like, maybe women's, like, when women go to the doctor, and look, I don't dispute
04:42:41.640
that maybe a doctor thinks the woman's malingering or, you know, he's not taking it as seriously.
04:42:50.060
But the fact that, I think it's actually, the argument could be made, women get better health care
04:42:55.580
than men, because men don't fucking go to the doctor.
04:43:03.580
My lymph node was hardened and swollen for three years, and I've been getting a lot of
04:43:09.760
symptoms, and I didn't get the proper care I needed for three years of it escalating.
04:43:19.600
Don't you think that could happen to a guy, too?
04:43:22.720
How would you demonstrate that if it was a man in your position that he would, like,
04:43:27.140
the doctor would be like, you know what, we have to solve this.
04:43:32.580
But how is it a comparison between men and women?
04:43:39.020
I mean, you're just pulling this completely out of your ass, but...
04:43:41.620
You're going off of a bad experience that maybe you have encountered, but I don't think
04:43:47.380
that that justifies the care for men versus women.
04:43:53.920
Women have access to health care, so it could be the case, maybe there's, like, rampant sexism
04:43:59.540
in the health care industry, which I think it's a bit dubious because typically on intake,
04:44:05.520
on intake, you have a female nurse, and so unless you're prepared to say that, like, these
04:44:09.920
female nurses are, like, have, are sexist towards women.
04:44:14.260
I've had terrible experiences with female nurses.
04:44:17.140
I'm assuming you don't have a health insurance.
04:44:27.680
But what does this have to do with rights really quick, and then, like, women can't
04:44:39.520
Yeah, like, some surgeries you can't get without a doctor's input, like, tubal ligating.
04:44:51.660
I think you're going to say, well, you know, getting your tubes tied is, you know, it's
04:44:58.200
harder for a woman to get her tubes tied versus a vasectomy.
04:45:00.820
This, of course, ignores the fact that for that kind of much more invasive medical surgery
04:45:09.660
Like, if you have an ectopic pregnancy, where...
04:45:13.040
An ectopic pregnancy is always taken very seriously.
04:45:17.220
It's a medical, but there have been so many cases where doctors are scared they will lose
04:45:31.520
I've had an ectopic pregnancy, which is why I'm, like, so educated on this, and that's
04:45:35.720
Okay, so where are your statistics coming from that that's not taken seriously?
04:45:38.920
I've seen cases online where it's, like, doctors are genuinely scared.
04:45:42.300
But you could look up anything, and there's always cases.
04:45:44.480
They're more scared to prescribe people drug, like, opiates, because they get a bigger repercussion
04:45:54.660
from prescribing pain medication than the fact that an ectopic pregnancy is a medical
04:46:02.620
It is a medical procedure, and they could lose their jobs.
04:46:08.700
But in certain, like, red states, women have been, like, put in extreme danger because
04:46:18.920
doctors will wait until it's too late to give the procedure or abortion that they need medically
04:46:26.860
Those are states where it's illegal, I'm pretty sure.
04:46:30.960
And there is no in state that it's essentially illegal.
04:46:34.540
So the standard of care is going to be observed by doctors and healthcare professionals, regardless
04:46:43.600
Also, this idea that women are receiving, like, worse care...
04:46:52.720
Oh, shit, I had something good on that, but it just slipped my mind.
04:46:59.680
I mean, I don't know how that really relates to rights.
04:47:09.420
That's, like, basically your rights to medical care.
04:47:28.220
And hold on, let's do these blood tests and let's do this.
04:47:42.620
I'm saying women have died because of lack of care and lack of...
04:47:46.240
But I think what you're saying is it's not based off of being a man or a woman.
04:47:52.240
You're just going off of your own personal experiences and then saying, oh, men have better health care.
04:47:57.720
Because nothing you've said has actually given proof that men actually have better...
04:48:17.580
Like, you could go to the doctor and you could present with like...
04:48:22.160
You said you had something going on with your...
04:48:23.800
I've gone to the doctor and sometimes you do realize there are problems that you can be having.
04:48:32.600
So women can go to the doctor and say, I have like chronic pain issues.
04:48:38.480
As I have chronic pain issues, I don't know if you know, like I've got...
04:48:51.120
The medical institution does not have a good solution for chronic pain sufferers.
04:48:56.700
So when women go to the doctor, but right, but when women go to the doctor and they're
04:49:01.160
like, well, I have this pain issue, but it's not being resolved, the medical, the healthcare
04:49:06.860
industry, sometimes it's just like, there's not a fix.
04:49:13.960
Look, there's pain management stuff that they can do, but it's not...
04:49:19.860
The medical field is not like some silver bullet that will fix all, cure all.
04:49:25.000
Well, sometimes there's things that the doctor's going to be like, eh, you're just going to
04:49:32.940
Yeah, but because abortion is illegal in some states, women aren't getting life-saving care.
04:49:40.720
But your claim is that you went to the doctor and they didn't have a solution to your...
04:49:47.340
Well, I got the solution in three years, but like, just saying.
04:49:51.100
I've been dealing with the healthcare industry for 10 years.
04:49:53.820
Whereas there's not a solution, really a good solution.
04:49:55.980
Women just don't get taken as seriously in the medical...
04:50:01.580
I've been in the medical field for over 10 years.
04:50:05.920
I have more women patients that come to my doctor than I do men.
04:50:12.040
I mean, statistically, men don't go to the doctors often.
04:50:14.800
They don't because they're afraid that when they go to the doctor, they're going to get
04:50:25.820
Going to the doctor has nothing to do with rights.
04:50:36.280
We don't get access to life-saving care in red states because abortion is illegal.
04:50:44.640
If you have an ectopic pregnancy, it's literally called a medical abortion.
04:50:50.580
And I'm pretty sure even in, like, red states or whatever, life of the mother, it's allowed.
04:50:59.120
Is it your position that if we were to grant that abortion would be justified in the case
04:51:04.480
of ectopic pregnancy, that you would be against, like, the 99% of abortions, which
04:51:18.760
So you realize when it comes to abortion, the majority of abortions are not for incest.
04:51:31.660
So make birth control more accessible and tubal ligation more...
04:51:40.820
At Planned Parenthood, it's around $15 to $300.
04:51:49.060
The overlying thing here is if we're talking about equal rights, so I don't...
04:51:56.540
I kind of fail to see how it relates to equal rights, because while you might say it's like
04:52:01.240
a woman's advocacy thing, men don't have any reproductive rights, so what's the...
04:52:07.540
Well, when we're talking about equal rights, equal to who?
04:52:11.660
So the comparison you have to make is, well, hold on.
04:52:15.020
You would agree that men can't, under law, force women to get abortions, right?
04:52:28.940
Yeah, technically it's possible the guy could be a fucking abuser, fucking drag her ass to
04:52:35.560
Which wouldn't even at work, because they can't even come in the room.
04:52:38.600
Yeah, it's like, if you want to take that angle...
04:52:48.300
Can a man in a state where women can't get abortions, can he force the woman to keep the child?
04:52:57.840
Yeah, so in California, let's say I knock up my girlfriend, and she wants to get an abortion,
04:53:11.940
So this has anything to do with equal rights, because the only way...
04:53:16.240
The only way you could have equal rights would be men would have to have some reproductive
04:53:31.480
When we're talking about rights, we're talking about legal rights.
04:53:47.560
We'll grant that there are states women can't get abortions.
04:53:50.960
Men in those states, they can't force a woman to get abortion.
04:53:58.580
So what does that have to do with equal rights?
04:54:09.120
In a red state, if a man could tell his woman, you have to get an abortion...
04:54:16.000
And he could force her to do it, and she couldn't choose to get an abortion, like, on her own.
04:54:38.700
No, but they can be the reason she isn't allowed to.
04:54:46.860
Doctors will refuse tubal ligation to some women because of...
04:54:53.360
I think when a young woman wants to be sterilized, some doctors are hesitant to do the procedure.
04:55:07.700
I think a lot of doctors who would otherwise give a woman, like, sterilization procedures,
04:55:13.920
they might be hesitant to sterilize, like, an 18-year-old woman.
04:55:17.360
I think there's actually an age range with that.
04:55:22.980
We change our minds, unfortunately, especially as we start to go deeper into our biological clock.
04:55:36.260
And to get a tubal ligation at 18, it's much harder to reverse a tubal ligation than it is a vasectomy.
04:55:45.860
That's why men are more easily accessible to that.
04:55:49.480
But no, you do not need your husband, your partner, your dad, your brother to give you the consent for tubal ligation.
04:55:56.500
Yes, you will go to the doctor, and they might not do it right then and there, because they want you to really weigh the pros and cons of it.
04:56:05.580
Related to equal rights, men don't have reproductive rights.
04:56:10.640
Like, obviously, there's no scenario where a man should really have a say in either direction, right?
04:56:18.000
Like, a man shouldn't have a say, but, like, perhaps the man could...
04:56:22.740
Like, perhaps the equitable thing would be if a woman can get an abortion, a man should say, oh, well, if you want to keep the child and the man doesn't want the kid, he can relinquish his child support duties and parental rights.
04:56:40.600
So, for example, a situation where Brad knocks up Stacey at the club, and she wants to keep the kid, and he just wanted a casual sex, she can force him to pay child support for 18 years, and he didn't want to have the kid.
04:56:57.120
So, perhaps the equitable equality that could exist would be, well, in states where women do have abortion rights, men can relinquish parental responsibility, but even that doesn't exist.
04:57:13.860
So, there's not an equality that can be achieved, really.
04:57:27.940
You know how we were talking earlier about feminists won't fight for equality?
04:57:31.860
So, this would technically be a form of equality.
04:57:35.280
In order for women to be equal to men, since men have no reproductive rights, technically, the equality that you could achieve would be nationwide abortion ban.
04:57:48.400
Since men can't escape fatherhood, the only form of equality that you could really achieve would be to make women be incapable of escaping motherhood.
04:58:06.740
So, you'd have to have nationwide abortion ban, and that would technically be equal, that would create equality between men and women.
04:58:13.840
You're looking at me all confused, but logically, this is sound...
04:58:19.800
Just to be clear, I'm not advocating right now, currently, on a position on abortion.
04:58:25.580
But your standard is, feminist fight for equality.
04:58:28.400
So, if men lack reproductive rights, you either need to give men reproductive rights, or for there to be equality, I know you might not like that form of equality, women...
04:58:42.400
No woman in the entire nation could get an abortion, and that's equal.
04:58:56.400
But hold on, I thought, I thought feminists fight for equality.
04:59:02.960
But remember when I said, feminists won't fight for equality if it comes to the detriment of women?
04:59:18.760
No, no, no, but what does that have to do with my point?
04:59:22.680
Because, when you take away abortion, too, they're dying.
04:59:26.400
They're dying to do really dangerous methods to, like...
04:59:32.620
I'm having an equality debate with you right now.
04:59:38.780
Let's not get bogged down into the weeds of an abortion debate.
04:59:46.920
You think we'd have to ban abortion nationwide for men and women to have reproductive...
04:59:59.140
Well, men can get a vasectomy because they're very easily reversible instead of women being on birth control.
05:00:10.520
Okay, well, women technically can sterilize themselves, but you do acknowledge that women have unplanned pregnancies.
05:00:32.760
That's right over their body to get a vasectomy.
05:00:36.380
All men should get vasectomies so they don't get women pregnant, you know?
05:00:48.900
No, because you said there should be a ban on abortions.
05:00:53.320
If men don't want to get women pregnant, then they should get vasectomies, and that's their right.
05:01:01.320
If you do acknowledge, though, if you like to use these extreme examples of ectopic pregnancy,
05:01:11.420
Some of these teachers will actually do this to their students, and then they conveniently...
05:01:18.480
The women get pregnant, and then the victim, the boy, has to pay her child support.
05:01:51.700
Well, I mean, if we're talking about a 16-year-old, by the time he turns 18, yes.
05:01:59.240
So I'm using an extreme example here to paint...
05:02:11.500
Sometimes women, if I'm going to use an extreme example, can lie about their birth control status.
05:02:18.860
Can go into Drake's bathroom, get a condom, and try to inseminate themselves.
05:02:27.020
It doesn't seem like it's always needed for fatherhood, right?
05:02:32.420
Like, a guy can come into a woman without telling them.
05:02:36.260
But your argument about, well, men can get vasectomies, that does nothing to...
05:02:45.380
That does nothing to rebut or dispute my point.
05:02:56.540
Like, you're telling me, like, men, you know, I don't think there's, like...
05:03:03.220
Women force men into child support every single day.
05:03:16.640
What if a man pokes holes in a condom without telling a girl?
05:03:24.480
What if their religious affiliations do not allow them to?
05:03:28.500
Well, their religious affiliations probably are also saying they shouldn't have sex in
05:03:38.400
You can't actually stick to the point because you know you're wrong.
05:03:43.160
So, you need to obfuscate and do red herrings that aren't central or material to the actual
05:03:56.300
The woman being on birth control is men getting a vasectomy.
05:04:02.720
First off, some women don't want to be on birth control.
05:04:05.440
They still engage in sex, and they can still get a woman regardless of her birth control
05:04:12.640
You would acknowledge if a woman has had sex, and regardless of whether she's on birth
05:04:19.120
control, whether she's had her tubes tied, if she gets pregnant, you would acknowledge
05:04:23.400
that at least in the states where it's allowed, she can get an abortion?
05:04:27.900
Okay, so my point was men should have in a state where abortion is legal, men should
05:04:39.460
But you're saying, no, they should just get a vasectomy as a preventative measure.
05:04:44.280
But that's great, and you're a utopian, fucking fairy, woozy-doozy society here.
05:04:57.960
Why is it realistic for a woman to get an IUD, but a man to not get a vasectomy?
05:05:04.820
The vasectomies are sometimes irreversible, oftentimes irreversible, especially over time.
05:05:17.860
It's much more invasive, and there's a chance of permanent sterilization.
05:05:38.860
No, birth control can cause permanent reproductive damage, especially if a woman starts it too young.
05:05:52.320
Not everybody can take birth control, but I don't think there's a zero comparison between a vasectomy and birth control.
05:06:04.960
Somebody who gets a cast, that's as invasive as brain surgery.
05:06:25.720
I'm just saying, I'm arguing back to your argument because you say that men don't have the same reproductive rights.
05:06:41.860
Unwanted, unplanned pregnancies happen all the time.
05:06:47.260
And also, by the way, people who are underage have sex.
05:06:53.140
I don't think it's medically indicated for a 16-year-old to get a vasectomy.
05:07:00.240
In addition to that, but we do acknowledge that, like, teenagers do have sex, right?
05:07:11.540
In any case, we have to acknowledge that that's the reality.
05:07:15.460
People don't practice perfect protection, whether that's condoms, whether that's women on birth control, whatever it is.
05:07:28.100
Vasectomy is not really a prescriptive thing here.
05:07:34.680
The question is, though, in the event of an unwanted pregnancy, which is the current status quo, you're utopian.
05:07:43.640
It would be dystopian to have every single man get a vasectomy.
05:07:48.820
In any case, yeah, your solution is completely absurd.
05:07:52.020
Third, in the event that, let's go back down to earth.
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Take your fucking rose-colored glasses off so we can talk reality here because that shit is melting your brain.
05:08:07.460
Down-to-earth reality, unwanted pregnancies, unplanned pregnancies happen all the time.
05:08:17.780
In this situation, men have no means of escaping fatherhood if the woman is intent on having the child.
05:08:31.780
The woman can compel the state to—well, the woman can go to the state to compel the man to pay child support.
05:08:40.140
You've just taken away a man's bodily autonomy.
05:08:46.960
So forcing—so financially crippling somebody for a period of 18 years, or, you know, maybe you won't categorize it as crippling, but you might—
05:08:59.800
So taking, like, 20% of somebody's income when people are already paying, like, rent is insane, cost of living is insane, that can absolutely financially cripple somebody.
05:09:10.360
But in addition to that, if you don't work or you make minimal money, the state does have a trump card where—and by the way, we've done away with debtors' prisons.
05:09:22.560
If you owe a debt to somebody, you can't be sent to prison.
05:09:26.660
There used to be, if you owed a person or company money, debtors' prisons, you could be sent to prison, right?
05:09:37.600
We've done away with it with one exception, child support.
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Child support is the only debt that you can owe, financial debt that you can owe, that if you don't pay it, you can eventually, you know, get sent to prison, sent to jail.
05:09:51.740
So in sort of two ways, you would be taking—and by the way, child support, like, 97% of the time goes from men to women.
05:10:00.180
So while it is the case that some women can pay child support, we do have an example here.
05:10:04.020
I haven't worked in five years, and I still have to pay child support.
05:10:11.800
But overwhelmingly, men are the ones who pay child support.
05:10:14.860
So you can force a man to work, and if he doesn't work, you can do another attack on his bodily autonomy.
05:10:23.540
You're depriving him of his freedom of movement that's related to bodily autonomy.
05:10:31.280
It takes two to get pregnant, though, so you should take accountability to it.
05:10:44.680
Both have to take the accountability and the mistake.
05:10:47.680
Yeah, but why can women escape from their responsibility?
05:11:08.160
You're also allowed to go and drop your child off, like, after you have them, if you can't handle it.
05:11:19.100
If a woman wants to put him on child support and wants him to suffer and pay for the child that he didn't want but she wanted, that's not equality.
05:11:32.680
As somebody that carried a kid, and that's literally nothing to do with it.
05:11:41.640
So, with that being said, you get pregnant, you know, everything comes with consequences.
05:11:47.220
It's kind of a guy's fault for coming in a woman.
05:11:56.360
So, like, would you be fine if, like, the woman lied about birth control, that he can evade responsibility?
05:12:16.460
No matter how malevolent and evil and scheming and whatever other term you want to use the woman is, the court doesn't give a fuck.
05:12:26.760
The woman can – the woman – you don't even have to fuck the woman.
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She can be Drake's groupie who doesn't fuck him.
05:12:34.620
Go into the trash bin with his condom and inseminate herself.
05:12:39.940
He's on the hook for 18 years of child support.
05:12:41.700
But isn't it, once it, like, touches air, it's, like –
05:12:46.900
Well, the effectiveness of, like, trash can insemination, I don't know, but there's –
05:13:00.500
When I lived in Miami, I was – a lot of those athletes were really concerned about that.
05:13:05.700
Even in the 90s, in the 90s, the NBA advocated that the players, when – after you have sex with a woman, first off, be sure to use a condom.
05:13:22.220
Tie a knot in the condom and flush it down the toilet.
05:13:26.700
They're like, or turn it in at the end of the night.
05:13:28.720
Because so many women, they were literally – the NBA had to warn the players.
05:13:35.320
Because so many women would – the guys were like, you know, I'm – would rifle through the trash can to try to – because NBA players make good money.
05:13:47.600
They were teaching them not to accept the condoms from – I'm so sorry, I'm being on the table.
05:13:51.260
Not to accept the condoms from the women, not to let them dispose of it, not to make sure they kept their eyes on it.
05:14:12.340
Proof you're a Swifid since she has fans that fake stats trying to dethrone Mike.
05:14:24.740
My phone wasn't showing – I accidentally clicked off.
05:14:28.460
I don't know if he's trolling – I don't know if you're still here watching because I know you said you had to go.
05:14:48.860
In Canada, women are considered more than men in the courts and hospitals, including when prescribed certain medications by doctors.
05:14:57.660
Men have to jump through hoops just to get what women get easily.
05:15:01.120
I hear Canada is kind of – there's a lot of – there's a lot of issues.
05:15:08.300
One story I heard, it was called – sort of a different topic here.
05:15:18.000
Basically, this man was never married to this woman in Canada, but he was, like, dating her or something.
05:15:47.580
But, like, if you're not married, maybe – Nick, can you Google that story?
05:15:55.500
I mean, there are women that try to sue men here all the time for that same thing.
05:15:58.640
It's the standard of living they were used to, but no marriage.
05:16:10.860
Eptopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion, so she flat-out wrong.
05:16:19.180
We get mutilated at birth with no choice at all.
05:16:23.940
I mean, that's another bodily autonomy thing, circumcision.
05:16:45.520
Brian, debating with Chair One is not trying to debate with a KKK.
05:16:55.900
I don't know if it's a total one-to-one comparison, but –
05:16:59.640
She has an issue with understanding the concept.
05:17:10.860
It's insane that Chair Five only pays $1,700 a monthly in child support while she made over $50,000 a month at one point,
05:17:18.480
but is looking to milk her now husband through feminist family court.
05:17:26.080
Well, they dictate what you pay based on what their salary is as well.
05:17:29.700
So they take the discrepancies between the two households, and then they come up with a price.
05:17:33.720
It's not like a flat one flat rate for how much I made a month.
05:17:38.240
And I'm not trying to milk my ex, soon-to-be ex-husband for anything.
05:17:41.560
We built businesses together, and there was a lot of money invested, and I was with him for a long time.
05:18:24.060
Chair six, do you think that chair one can still be saved?
05:18:31.940
Every minute that passes, just concede and say you are wrong.
05:19:02.760
Sorry for the delay on some of those recent ones, guys.
05:19:15.980
I want to get into some of the dating stuff, actually.
05:20:07.060
Do you guys think men should pay on first dates?
05:20:09.240
It says men should pay on first dates, and you agree.
05:20:32.760
I agree, especially if most men are, like, the ones initiating things, then I would say
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In some small way, look at it as it's an investment.
05:20:52.180
They're showing that they're willing to invest in the time with you.
05:20:56.140
If he's not willing to pay for your dinner, he's not really that interested in you.
05:21:06.980
If he is really not willing to pay for, like, dinner, at least on their first date, I think.
05:21:19.380
I think the initiative thing is a good way to describe it.
05:21:23.820
So, like, if a guy, if you were out on a date with a guy and he was, like, two checks, would there be another date?
05:21:39.400
It kind of depends on their financial, like, state.
05:21:44.120
So, you would go on another date, depending on the situation?
05:21:48.380
Like, I could have understanding if they were, like, super broke and tried their best, you know?
05:21:58.120
It's just, like, it would just throw me off a little bit.
05:22:08.980
I have snuck and paid for many a meals, but not on a first date.
05:22:15.960
For me, that kind of signals, like, you want to be more just friends.
05:22:19.820
Like, that's a friends kind of vibe than wanting to date.
05:22:29.000
I wouldn't be opposed to, like, Spling 50-50, but that would not be considered a first date for me.
05:22:38.020
I mean, honestly, if I enjoyed the date and I enjoyed the conversation, even if he was like,
05:22:44.800
Oh, I'm sorry, I can't get it this time, I personally don't mind paying for it and going on a second date.
05:22:52.480
The next statement is men should provide and protect.
05:23:25.480
Like, if men are chivalrous and they have to provide and protect, like, what do we do?
05:23:34.540
Like, I mean, like, be polite and, like, respectful and kind and giving as well, you know?
05:23:46.040
I think that, like, chivalry can also just mean, like, respect and, like, showing that you care.
05:23:50.180
And so that can go the same way for women, but just, like, in other ways, other than, like, opening the door and, like, doing those kinds of things.
05:23:57.820
So I was like, you guys all think men should be chivalrous and they should provide and protect, but what should women do?
05:24:11.280
Well, I mean, I do all sorts of things for my husband.
05:24:14.240
Like, I clean the house, do the dishes, make dinner every single night.
05:24:19.160
Like, I also am home with the kids every single day, taking care of the kids, so.
05:24:25.220
I think you submit, you support, you provide a stable home life for them so they can go out and conquer the world.
05:24:35.580
Yeah, I think we should kind of just, I feel like, kind of agree with what everyone else kind of said.
05:24:43.360
Everything that was said, but, you know, provide peace and not chaos.
05:24:51.520
I think the respect thing is a really big thing.
05:24:53.880
Like, if, for instance, if my boyfriend told me, you know, I told him I was coming on the podcast and he was against it and he didn't want me to do it, I wouldn't have done it.
05:25:03.320
And that's something that I bring to the table with him is I understand that he is a provider and a protector and a great man.
05:25:11.280
And, honestly, at the end of the day, he would be the head of the household and what the head of the household says is what should go.
05:25:22.180
Will you take your husband's last name when you get married?
05:25:54.560
I like my last name, so probably, yeah, if he has, like, a really bad last name, I'm not going to want to change it.
05:25:59.520
But I'm not opposed to, like, you know, either way.
05:26:05.420
But you think men should be chivalrous and provide and protect and basically be masculine?
05:26:13.940
That's not traditional to not take his last name.
05:26:26.860
But you're not willing to be traditional to him.
05:26:32.680
I think just being, like, chivalrous and, like, showing respect is different than, like, you know, giving up your last name.
05:26:38.360
It just depends if his last name sounds better or not.
05:26:42.200
But that could be offensive to him if he's like, damn, my wife won't take my last name because she thinks it's ugly.
05:26:49.360
I mean, how can you respect a man to be traditional if you're not willing to be traditional?
05:26:58.400
I'm not saying that he has to be, like, traditional in that sense and that I will also, like, conform to my role as a traditional wife.
05:27:05.840
I just think that, like, for the last name thing, like, I kind of like my last name.
05:27:19.160
I don't know how you responded to this, but should men pay for first dates?
05:27:55.260
I didn't know that, like, not taking the name has that much, like, of a connotation.
05:28:02.400
It's traditional to take the last name of your husband.
05:28:05.840
I didn't know that it was that, like, big of a deal.
05:28:10.160
Wait, what's your last, do you have a hyphenated last name?
05:28:14.080
Do you have your father's last name or your mother's last name?
05:28:53.880
I don't know about palimony, but there are spousal support cases in Canada where women
05:28:58.940
take their spouses to court for financial assistance and or compensation.
05:29:08.060
Common law is what, 10 years or more, or is it more than?
05:29:17.420
Not in California, but some states, there's common law marriage.
05:29:21.900
In Pennsylvania, it's like eight years, I believe.
05:29:30.200
In some states, if you live with her long enough or you hold yourself out as if you were,
05:29:36.460
I don't know, you live with her, cohabitate, she can come after-
05:29:39.700
Even if you're not married, she can come after you for child support.
05:30:11.880
Unmarried Ontario couple had no children and no house, but man must still pay support appeal court rules.
05:30:41.340
Court awards spousal support in case of unmarried partners who lived in separate homes.
05:30:57.460
Lasting 14 years, they lived in separate residences in Toronto.
05:31:04.520
They did not merge their finances or jointly own property, but they presented as a couple in public.
05:31:16.820
From the beginning of, as soon as she entered in the relationship, she didn't work.
05:31:35.000
How is she going to, I mean, how is she going to then go forward after 14 years?
05:31:41.200
She already, like, with a different man, I think.
05:31:45.740
If a man, like, I don't think it's nothing that a man fully provides.
05:31:56.080
If you, if the relationship ends and you've supported her for 14 years, you don't think she needs a little, like, little oomph to get back into the real world?
05:32:05.000
But if, I don't know, if I'm not married to her.
05:32:10.660
Like, if I still was working, making a huge earning, like they, like I did prior to marriage, I wouldn't be asking for support right now.
05:32:20.640
Like, if I was not supporting a woman financially, I would be better off financially.
05:32:52.880
Okay, she didn't go to college, and she got pregnant at 18, and she didn't gain life
05:33:00.900
Okay, what about if I date a hairdresser, and she has zero ambitions of ever doing anything
05:33:19.560
Because in my thought process here, is if you cut hair, you have the skill set, and then
05:33:30.740
when you get out of the relationship, you can just go back to what you were doing.
05:33:53.960
And you don't have to pay them for the extent that you were together.
05:33:57.040
They have a smaller range of time that you need to assist them and maintain that lifestyle
05:34:05.220
I think it's like when parents kick out their kids at 18, too.
05:34:31.960
She would have never amounted to ever earning $50,000 a month.
05:34:36.880
Now I got to pay this chick $50,000 because we used to fuck.
05:35:04.580
After 14 years with someone, you're not going to feel bad sending them back to Chick-fil-A?
05:35:20.140
If she's being a fucking pain in the ass, probably can still get fucked.
05:35:30.020
No, but look, if it's like mostly amicable, like if it's mostly amicable and she's genuinely
05:35:36.280
like financially, I think, sure, there's a fair argument that you can support her, right?
05:35:45.500
But the current like status quo, like, look, I think people can, I don't know, a couple
05:35:54.860
She gets a couple months, six months, six months, you can get a job.
05:36:02.480
If you'd 14 years of this woman, she loved you, relied on you.
05:36:09.320
I would like this young piece of ass over here.
05:36:18.380
Uh, I might like get her some Chili's coupons or something.
05:36:33.580
Look, I mean, these are crazy hypotheticals we're throwing out here.
05:36:42.400
Uh, look, I mean, look, people break up all the time.
05:36:46.560
If I'm not, look, if I'm not married to her, if I'm not married to her, uh, if I was supporting
05:36:53.700
you for 14 years and I dropped your ass tomorrow and you were used to me making a million dollars
05:36:59.420
I would be like, he's like, I would start the whatever podcast.
05:37:02.180
Like my, my perspective, uh, maybe this is like just the male perspective.
05:37:27.680
Yeah, but they find a way she, I would, I would find a path.
05:37:35.660
I'm just, again, from my own experience, I'm in the process of finding a path, but like
05:37:42.400
So now like, wait, how old were you, uh, or how old were you guys when you got married?
05:37:46.460
We were only married for three years, but he made all his money after he met me.
05:37:56.400
You were like 18 and naive and like, I could have gone to college if it wasn't for you.
05:38:10.420
Again, there's lots of different examples we can set.
05:38:13.000
But look, you were married and the laws will protect you.
05:38:20.740
You know how much it costs for me to even get proven that I get, believe me, it does not
05:38:25.640
I could still walk away with nothing after spending $50,000 to $100,000 in court fees.
05:38:40.560
Well, what if you don't have that much, though?
05:38:59.920
Felicity, I'm going to have you read this next one.
05:39:15.840
Does Pasty take out like a payday loan before every episode?
05:39:19.240
It was a friend at uni whose girlfriend often stayed at his student share house because it
05:39:25.340
was, sorry, I'm having a hard time reading the white font.
05:39:27.940
It was closer to uni after they both graduated, claimed.
05:39:38.980
A de facto settlement and got half of his inheritance.
05:39:47.740
I thought Inheritance wasn't something that you can actually get a dib on.
05:39:52.020
Wasn't that famous streamer, XQC, didn't his girlfriend try to get him for this?
05:39:57.700
They weren't married or something, and she tried to get some of his money.
05:40:03.020
Chat, are you guys more familiar with the case?
05:40:07.360
They were just dating, living together, and she tried to go after him for money.
05:40:27.760
But apparently, she's reopened the case or something, or she's tried to sue him a couple times.
05:40:35.240
We should get this guy on the podcast, by the way.
05:40:40.300
I'd love to actually, even not on the dating talk, just interview him.
05:40:46.060
I just want to interview him about the whole lawsuit or whatever.
05:40:51.700
But okay, let's get into some of the notes here.
05:41:07.360
Actually, no, I'll come back to your notes, because I've already given you a lot of attention.
05:41:22.100
Haven't really officially dated that many guys.
05:41:25.360
You've just been caught up in a lot of situationships.
05:41:32.020
How many situationships have you been caught up in?
05:41:35.500
So maybe like three situationships and then two actual official relationships.
05:41:40.120
You said you're an avid, avid hinge user until you got permanently banned.
05:41:51.560
I deleted my account and then I made a new one and I just put my name as like...
05:41:55.180
I think it was like Gorlock the Destroyer, which is funny because she was on me.
05:42:00.960
And then I just like put some random pictures and then like me and my friends are just like
05:42:24.680
I also forgot to mention that there are more support programs and funding for women than
05:42:31.200
There are hardly any support programs and funding for single fathers.
05:42:35.180
Yeah, I mean, you see that in a whole bunch of different ways, you know, like DV shelters,
05:42:40.560
just all kinds of different varying differentials when it comes to support.
05:42:45.700
Also, Pastey George, you now need to run for prime minister because of the little noise
05:43:00.480
Yeah, well, just if I needed like a question, like about like maybe like, I don't know, something
05:43:09.880
You'd match with a guy and be like, I'll go on a date with you if you do my homework.
05:43:14.040
No, no, just like, I wouldn't even say like, yeah, like we'll go on a date.
05:43:21.360
Because I'm not changing a light bulb or something.
05:43:26.680
So what were some of the things that like you actually had them do though?
05:43:30.180
So did a guy actually come and help you with your car?
05:43:33.020
Just like researching about like what kind of car I wanted or like if it was worth their
05:43:36.860
like what models were like the best because like, I don't know, I just figured guys know
05:43:44.760
Like I feel like Instagram or any other social media.
05:43:50.820
Because if I just DMed random guys, like I feel like they wouldn't get back to me in
05:43:56.540
Or like, I was in New York with my friends and then we were just kind of like, we were
05:44:01.840
like, oh, like who wants to come hang up with us?
05:44:04.120
And so we got this guy to like buy us like karaoke and like Ubers like to the hotel and
05:44:09.440
Oh, any other examples like that where like you did maybe meet up with a guy and you got
05:44:23.680
He didn't really speak good English, so he kind of just sat in like the background.
05:44:51.320
Not that that matters, but it's just like he wasn't like...
05:44:56.340
Like he just kind of hung out in the background.
05:45:02.460
I was with one of my girlfriends, but she's in a long-term relationship with her boyfriend
05:45:07.920
Wait, so this poor New York, Korea man, he Ubered around you, your girlfriend, and her
05:45:18.500
Her boyfriend and their other guy friend, yeah.
05:45:22.180
So he shows up and there's two girls and two guys.
05:45:26.400
Did he know that there were going to be two guys?
05:45:35.060
No, I wasn't like me and my two male friends and then one female friend.
05:45:38.440
I was just like, oh, me and my kids are out right now.
05:45:40.220
Like, first off, I would never fall for this trap, but if I showed up and I'm like, oh,
05:45:47.020
no, I'm on a date with two girls and their boyfriend.
05:45:54.760
Well, I said, like, I didn't say it's like a date, like one-on-one with him.
05:45:59.460
Well, it's kind of implied if you meet on a dating app.
05:46:18.560
Wait, before you made him come out, were you into him?
05:46:36.240
I think he was like, oh, like, you owe me something at, like, the end of the day, but I never ended up...
05:46:44.220
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not like that, but I was just like, I think he got too...
05:46:48.240
Oh, he got too, like, nervous, and, like, it's because I'm with my, like, guy friends, too, I think,
05:46:53.220
and, like, the language barrier, I don't think he was, like, confident enough to be like,
05:46:56.860
oh, yeah, like, now you have to give me a kiss or something, like, I think he just...
05:46:59.700
He might have been saying it in Korean, you had no idea.
05:47:33.740
Like, you know, it's like this poor Korean guy, you know?
05:47:36.720
But he's, like, he's, like, one of those, like, rich ones.
05:47:40.500
You have no guilt for fooling him into thinking that you liked him?
05:47:46.760
I just was, like, well, I'm going to hang out with my brain.
05:48:03.540
You met on a dating app where it is implied that you are going to meet up because you're
05:48:21.900
But guys do this all the time, so I feel like it's not a good example.
05:48:25.100
I think it's wrong, but the example I would give...
05:48:29.540
Well, I don't know if you're even opposed to this.
05:48:31.860
A guy leads you on that he's interested in a relationship to get in your pants.
05:48:37.900
But he just wanted sex, and then he goes to you.
05:48:50.500
Because I think in some of your notes, it sounds like you're kind of a bit more open
05:48:56.600
So, I don't know if you'd actually even have a problem with just having, like, casual sex
05:49:07.340
I think that if it's clear on both sides, and they're not, like, telling you that they
05:49:16.180
It's hard for a guy to finesse a woman in this way early on, just because...
05:49:22.180
Oh, we got some pizza here coming out for you guys.
05:50:21.140
But to be fair, I did ask, like, who wants to, like, go and, like, get, like, buy his stuff,
05:50:33.520
Have you ever done that other times, or was that the only time?
05:50:46.660
You said that you don't think dating is a necessity.
05:51:02.280
and wanted to be in love and be loved so badly,
05:51:07.580
distracts you from feeling and appreciating other kinds of love,
05:51:11.160
especially love you receive from family and friends.
05:51:27.320
By the way, I, like, did this all in the span of, like, five minutes,
05:51:35.040
So when you say you don't think dating is a necessity,
05:51:38.700
Like, are you fine just having more, like, situationship, casual things?
05:51:42.020
Well, I just meant dating or, like, having any kind of relationship in general.
05:51:50.180
And it shouldn't be the number one thing that you think about.
05:51:54.420
I think just, like, your future, like, maybe your job or, like, you know,
05:52:00.060
Should it ever be a priority at, like, certain stages of life?
05:52:09.940
Like, I'm not actively looking for it, but, like, I would like to meet someone organically.
05:52:21.620
Like, it's not like I need a rush and get into something that I don't know.
05:52:24.240
You said your general thoughts on modern dating is that people take it way too seriously,
05:52:28.240
especially when you watch shows from the 90s and early 2000s, Sex and the City.
05:52:33.080
You said you see how differently people view dating as more casual.
05:52:37.220
So you're saying, like, if you look at certain media, like Sex and the City, dating was way more casual.
05:52:44.100
Yeah, it's like you date somebody, not to marry specifically, but just, like, you know, to see what you like, what your likes and dislikes are in a relationship.
05:52:52.760
And the girls would be dating multiple guys at a time.
05:52:55.740
And they would, the guys would be dating multiple girls until they established, hey, like, I really like this person and I want to make it exclusive with them.
05:53:01.860
Yeah, well, I mean, Sex and the City, I, it's obviously fictional Hollywood production.
05:53:13.600
Well, I mean, it's produced in New York, but, and it's probably somewhat close to, like, how dating was.
05:53:25.900
It's like back then there weren't, like, situation shifts and, like, talking stages and, like, I can't call, like, I can't date this person.
05:53:32.120
I think we've moved, while there's always been people who were, like, you know, kind of dating around or whatever, I think we've moved more towards the direction of people not, like, I think it was more common in the 90s and early 2000s for people to not be dating multiple people.
05:53:54.880
I think that that's more common now than it was in the 90s and 2000s.
05:53:59.400
I think it was, not to say it didn't happen, but I think it's, it was more common to be, like, you meet somebody and you see where it goes and sometimes it goes nowhere.
05:54:15.660
Now, yeah, in the 90s, you couldn't just go, like, on your Instagram.
05:54:19.660
You couldn't go, like, hit up 20 chicks and be like, what are you doing?
05:54:37.080
I was maybe a senior in high school when MySpace was really cool.
05:54:45.360
And, wait, question for you, Claire, because maybe I, or wait.
05:54:54.500
Actually, here, I'm going to do a panel question.
05:55:07.780
Oh, let's get rid of her, the fucking girl who wants me on the lives.
05:55:43.340
I mean, I think it matters because I think it's a really good understanding of how someone
05:55:50.020
But also it matters if, you know, you've got a certain moral compass and, you know.
05:56:04.040
His body count, so I'd expect him to not, if we've both grown and changed as people over
05:56:10.340
You know, like, people grow and people change and, you know.
05:56:34.680
Well, if anybody wants more later, we can give you food.
05:56:40.800
Well, you know, if a woman's past should not matter, I'm going to wait until everybody's
05:57:02.740
Claire, you circled that you agree with that statement.
05:57:12.000
You said women are just as physically strong as men.
05:57:16.840
I do think, like I said, like, being in the fitness space, I definitely know there's like...
05:57:31.540
I wouldn't mind watching this, like, in arm wrestle right now.
05:57:38.300
Can you stand on the chair and do, like, a quad flex?
05:57:46.720
But you know that Jay Cutler clip where he, like...
05:57:57.980
I mean, you can, but it's not going to have the same effect as his.
05:58:01.160
Jay Cutler's quad is the size of your whole body.
05:58:10.080
I think, generally, overall, I think men are definitely stronger than women.
05:58:15.900
There's always, like, I always say there's always exceptions to the rule.
05:58:19.420
There's always going to be, like, those who are not outliers, but, generally, I think men are stronger.
05:58:29.760
Yeah, I said they can be stronger than men, like, certain women, but overall, in general, yeah.
05:58:39.880
I'm waiting for everybody to return for my next thing here.
05:58:44.920
I think what we'll do while I'm just waiting here, I'll do a little admin.
05:58:50.220
Oh, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time, starting with you?
05:59:02.360
I'll be 32, so maybe not, you know, unless I get a little Botox.
05:59:10.040
You're 18, better looking in 10 years' time at 28?
05:59:29.580
I just know, like, I already have, like, good aging genetics, so I would hope so.
05:59:40.420
I've heard black don't cry, but not Asian don't raisin.
05:59:44.500
Okay, when do you think your peak physically will be, in terms of looks?
05:59:49.840
I would hope in my, like, 20s to 30s, but I just know that, like, after a certain age
05:59:56.260
for, like, Asian women, like, they kind of turn into, like, ajumma.
06:00:34.500
You're 43, better looking in 10 years' time, 53.
06:00:53.440
I'm sure I would assume most people would think I looked better at 33.
06:01:13.600
I'll take what I look like at 43 over what I look like at 23.
06:01:24.160
Yeah, I looked better in my 30s and 40s, honestly.
06:02:26.000
All right, guys, we've lowered the TTS to 69, $69 TTS if you want to get it in.
06:02:58.260
I need the iPhone Air so I don't get carpal tunnel syndrome.
06:03:04.560
But does anybody want coffee or tea or something?
06:03:13.580
I don't know if Pasty is a crypto guy, to be honest.
06:03:18.600
I feel like the women, you guys would prefer champagne over...
06:03:22.300
Well, first off, who would actually drink champagne?
06:03:33.480
Well, if you want, Pasty George, you know, the Ethereum option is there for the Cristal.
06:03:43.080
Otherwise, you can pop a regular champagne bottle.
06:03:53.540
Because I don't think it's ever happened, has it?
06:04:18.240
Well, actually, the Cristal pop is half an Ethereum.
06:04:36.800
They're like 500 bucks or something for the Cristal bottle.
06:06:01.400
Into the mics if you can, if you're going to speak.
06:06:22.440
You're going to let her call you a little chicken nugget?
06:06:25.020
I mean, I don't think these are good in general.
06:06:30.340
Brian, you're a chicken nugget without the age advancement.
06:07:47.680
The question is, would you date the male version of you?
06:08:09.660
Do you have, like, a preference when it comes to dating?
06:08:12.240
Like, would you date an Asian guy, white guy, black guy?
06:08:20.060
Because we've had, like, a couple Asian women who are, like, don't want to date Asian
06:08:48.540
They look like they extended your original face.
06:08:51.800
Bro, what, are you guys doing fucking caricatures here?
06:09:39.660
Can I, I can acknowledge my child's attractive.
06:10:21.020
He, he, he, okay, so this is kind of strange, but like, so I am adopted, but he kind of does
06:10:32.760
He doesn't, does not look like my dad, but just, it's like.
06:10:57.020
There are, I would say, attractive Asian guys, but usually they aren't my type.
06:11:05.560
I've went on a first date, first dates with Asian dudes, but.
06:11:30.700
Like your situation, you said you've had a few situationships, like two or three or something.
06:11:38.800
Um, have any of your situationships been an Asian guy?
06:12:38.400
Wait, can we take a moment and look at the second picture that the lipstick is draining down
06:13:21.140
Brian, it is a phenomenon with Asians in America that don't date their own for some
06:13:29.040
Isn't that mostly the case with the women, though?
06:13:33.240
Like, isn't it the case that Asian men, less so than Asian women, date outside their race?
06:13:41.600
So, this phenomenon seems to be a little bit gendered.
06:13:49.220
Technically, the read is a little better than the TTS.
06:14:08.180
Can you ask Felicity, as a former guest and now an employee, to say a few things about
06:14:13.080
what she's learned about women from being on the podcast?
06:14:22.820
No point in, like, adding extra bullshit details that nobody cares about.
06:14:34.400
Unfortunately, I haven't dealt with crypto for the last five years.
06:14:38.340
I suggested coffee and tea for those who don't want or cannot drink champagne.
06:15:10.980
Well, Claire, if we do get a champagne pop, Claire will get some apple cider.
06:15:54.040
Just like look him in the eyes for a little bit.
06:15:57.080
Or where's the, what about when you were younger?
06:16:29.520
So, some of y'all said women's passion not matter.
06:16:39.000
I'm being like, I'm going over from what I actually think.
06:17:04.360
No, it just feels weird, like, saying that on, like, a live stream, but.
06:17:09.000
No, I think it's, I don't, I don't think that's crazy or anything.
06:17:31.660
Sorry, Claire, I didn't mean to throw you under the bus there.
06:17:34.920
I've been in monogamous relationships for, like, 15 years, so maybe.
06:17:39.780
Did you, when you were doing, like, the content stuff, were you doing, like, mainstream corn?
06:17:48.400
I was very, I was not promiscuous in any way outside of that.
06:17:52.140
My life didn't match the fact that I was doing that.
06:18:54.940
I'm going to give the same answer I gave before.
06:19:03.500
Not even if you ask me a million times in five different ways.
06:20:31.820
And then, can you guys get going one of the apple ciders for the other peeps?
06:20:44.460
This is going to take me about a minute to get opened.
06:21:01.240
I mean, this very respectfully, but I had a time limit that was given to me, and I have
06:21:10.640
Well, I mean, in the thing, it does say, like, we may have to go later, and we didn't even
06:21:17.240
Like, should we just at least get to your notes here?
06:21:27.640
Oh, I've been to bars and nightclubs and stayed out till 3 a.m., but oh, my God, it's.
06:21:32.900
But it goes to, like, the respect thing of, like, what you bring to the table for your
06:21:41.000
Yeah, he's my ride, and he gets up at 5 a.m., so.
06:21:44.680
He came to support me, and I don't want to be in trouble later.
06:21:49.740
Wait, do you have, like, a local hotel or something?
06:22:02.240
I do, but he wanted to be supportive of me, and bring me, and.
06:22:09.720
He was worried about me coming out here by myself.
06:22:26.660
You said you were in a situation ship for five years.
06:22:34.920
I was a retired crash out, or I am a retired crash out, I guess you could say.
06:22:38.960
We were supposed to hang out, it was late at night, he told me to come over, and then I got
06:22:45.180
to his house, and he's like, oh, I have to take my mom to chew mash, and basically something
06:22:51.380
just instinctively told me to go check the back door, and I went into the back door, it
06:22:57.360
was open, and I went upstairs, and I found a female's purse on the bed, and I just tore it
06:23:08.060
open, and tore, like, threw something at his TV that he loved very, very much, and I, like,
06:23:16.440
There was some chocolate cake, I spread it all over the bed, and then after I destroyed
06:23:22.060
everything, he came home, and he found me, or, like, I came downstairs, we intersected
06:23:30.880
each other, and then he's like, it was crazy, and at some point, I made it to the back where
06:23:37.280
he keeps his weed, and I took an ounce of weed for him, from him, as, like, my collateral
06:23:49.760
Yeah, and he dragged, he had to drag you out of the house?
06:23:54.320
Because, okay, did you get, was there, like, did you get in trouble with the law or anything?
06:23:59.760
They called me when I was already home, and they asked me, oh, were you there, did you
06:24:05.520
go into the house, and I pretty much was like, no, I've been home.
06:24:14.600
Also, you said that the episode you just watched, Brian said that pregnancy wasn't a disability,
06:24:19.740
but you disagree with that, and a couple other topics?
06:24:24.200
Yes, the pregnancy thing, just because you can't actually get state disability, if you,
06:24:30.460
like, if you're unable to work because of the pregnancy, like, nausea.
06:24:35.520
You're a severe nausea, you can't get out of bed, you're on, like, a high-risk pregnancy.
06:24:44.980
Well, but typically, like, pregnancy, most, my understanding, most women recover from their
06:24:56.580
There might be temporary, I mean, for example, when you have food poisoning, arguably, you're
06:25:08.480
You can't work, you're vomiting, you're in a temporary state of disability.
06:25:21.080
Food poisoning versus pregnancy is so different.
06:25:30.260
So there's a period during pregnancies where, yeah, you're, to some degree, not able to operate
06:25:37.980
properly, whether that's morning sickness or you're, like, a day away, you're having contractions
06:25:43.620
and shit, but I wouldn't categorize pregnancy, broadly speaking, like, as a disability.
06:25:54.760
I mean, women do work up until they're, like, literally gonna pop.
06:26:02.540
The state gives you disability, like, if it's just a normal pregnancy, routine pregnancy, and
06:26:07.200
you are working, they give you up to, I think, when you're eight months pregnant, you're at
06:26:12.740
eight months pregnant, you're allowed to go on to disability because it is a lot on the
06:26:30.580
Like, I think something that is typically long-term.
06:26:37.520
So I guess it would be a short-term disability in a sense.
06:26:40.580
And, like, there's an expectation and an anticipation that the, that it will, like, resolve on its
06:26:50.700
own once after you give birth or, like, some period after the birth.
06:26:58.460
But, like, I wouldn't characterize pregnancy as a disability, like, in the same vein as a
06:27:11.880
But so, like, under this purview, I guess you could also argue that somebody who has food
06:27:24.780
But in the same way that a pregnancy, I mean, look, sometimes there's, like, long-term complications
06:27:36.460
Yeah, but you're giving me weird looks like this guy's fucking crazy.
06:27:46.300
I just, I don't, I don't think it's, like, I acknowledge that there are periods during the
06:27:52.760
pregnancy, especially close to birth, where women can be incapacitated, either from pain
06:28:01.300
But, like, I don't know if I, at least in my mind, I don't know how California or governments
06:28:05.980
will categorize what constitutes, like, technically legal disability.
06:28:10.840
But, like, most women recover from their pregnancy and they're not disabled after the
06:28:19.120
California is pretty generous when it comes to, especially moms and their disability.
06:28:24.380
So, I guess it's just a semantics thing, I guess?
06:28:28.980
You said there were other topics that you disagreed on?
06:28:31.920
I honestly don't even think that it was necessarily topics that you had brought up or that you had
06:29:23.700
Should we put one of, like, the mannequins here?
06:29:52.340
We'll be putting the fear of God to these woke professors and feminists.
06:30:17.440
Do you guys think that men are bad communicators?
06:30:30.860
I think it just depends on the person more than gender.
06:30:34.360
But generally, do you see a trend at all in your own experiences?
06:30:43.400
I just, like, bottle things up and, like, don't tell people what's bothering me until it's, like, too late.
06:30:58.860
I think men communicate in black and white, and we communicate in all the colors of gray.
06:31:13.320
I think I'm kind of on the black and white and gray thing.
06:31:47.360
We have, we're going to blast through these notes.
06:32:01.680
One specific one was you got flown out by an NFL player.
06:32:06.380
And I'll try to keep it as anonymous as possible.
06:32:12.480
He kind of went to MIA on all social media platforms.
06:32:24.180
You ended up finding he has a baby mama and gotten some shit with her.
06:32:49.240
And this also, like, kind of segues into another question I know you've had before.
06:32:56.300
So, like, I know previously, like, you've asked people, like, is having social media or no social media, like, a red flag or not?
06:33:04.520
And I think, just from my experience, having no social media is a red flag.
06:33:12.800
I, at least from the male perspective, I'd probably green flag for women to not have social media.
06:33:27.120
Less than a 24-hour trip, did you guys hook up?
06:33:32.400
But that was, I mean, if a guy's flying you out, I mean, what else does he want?
06:33:46.280
Like, when I got there, like, when I got there and I met him, I just.
06:34:00.720
Like, I would say, usually, when I do talk to guys, like, they.
06:34:27.840
I feel like you've already provided enough information that somebody could probably figure
06:34:39.180
So, it means he's probably your same age range.
06:34:56.840
You can narrow that down to, like, five players.
06:36:04.700
I don't want to, like, help people figure out who it is.
06:41:34.720
A lot of people get married right out of high school.
06:41:50.220
I've only been with one person younger than myself.
06:42:31.840
You married to the guitarist a few years later stroking out your room.
06:43:22.440
But a few years later you divorced him and you married the lead singer.
06:43:34.580
We stayed together for a really long time as a band.
06:43:58.760
And you said he was going to tour with Jack Johnson.
06:44:30.620
He was like, I'm going on tour with Jack Johnson.
06:45:01.660
Um, if I, you said, if you ever get divorced again, you would stay single AF as fuck.
06:45:17.640
You said everyone is banging everyone and everyone has an STD.
06:45:50.060
She literally wanted to unlive you without saying it in that exact form.
06:45:56.720
Everybody watching, if you didn't watch the beginning, everyone needs to rewind once we are done and see.
06:46:09.220
We all, it'll be, it'll be on YouTube shorts by the morning.
06:46:16.440
You need to get, you need to get checked after this.
06:46:25.540
I couldn't keep it together because it was just so.
06:46:46.280
You said generally overall, you like, oh, we talked about the bow already.
06:46:53.900
I think I didn't finish my final point on that though.
06:46:56.660
It's just ultimately when it, look, when it comes to the bow, I think women expect certain
06:47:02.300
I think the bow is pretty benign, takes no effort.
06:47:14.120
So like my ideal dynamic, and I acknowledge that people want different dynamics in their
06:47:19.440
relationship would be, and by the way, it's not even like a sexual thing, but my ideal
06:47:27.820
dynamic would be one where my girlfriend, whatever, she is just, she is deferring to
06:47:38.500
And, uh, I think if she's unwilling to do this one small thing, I have to think what
06:47:46.920
other sort of feminist programming does she have in her mind where she won't do that.
06:48:02.040
Oh, if the guy doesn't pay for the first date, then that means he's not going to be
06:48:06.540
Well, like logically that it could be the case, but logically, for example, could it
06:48:11.440
be possible that the man who's a billionaire would want to go 50, 50 on the first date?
06:48:17.040
Like it's maybe it's unlikely, but logically, right?
06:48:23.820
He could like, there's nothing stopping a billionaire from being like, you know what?
06:48:31.360
But so some women would be like, well, you know what?
06:48:40.160
If I know you're a billionaire and you made me split it and you're like, I've, I'm, I'm
06:48:46.940
If I know you're a billionaire and you're like, Hey, let's go 50, 50.
06:48:55.560
But so women have this like sort of threshold of, well, he won't pay for the date.
06:49:04.020
They're saying in their head, it's not so much about the 10, 20, 30, $40 that I would
06:49:13.080
In this case, if a woman's unwilling to do this thing that I think is complete, it's
06:49:19.900
Um, you know, if it's something that would make me happy, I have to call into question,
06:49:32.180
I know it's culturally like kind of odd and peculiar or whatever, but if she fights me
06:49:40.080
on this, I just, I'm going to assume, and maybe I'm assuming wrongly that she's going
06:49:45.640
So it's a temperature check really for how submissive she is.
06:49:54.520
Like, I feel like if you were to define it to your spouse as this represents this to
06:49:59.260
me, it doesn't mean, you know, cause I feel like your definition is very harsh as opposed
06:50:05.080
But, but the thing with that is I don't want to have to even negotiate with her on it.
06:50:14.780
Like there's, because in the same way, like you don't want to help her understand your point
06:50:20.180
If for some reason there's a discomfort, just get it.
06:50:23.100
I want her to just get it in the same way that women don't want to like have a, like
06:50:27.280
imagine, I don't know if we brought this up on the show.
06:50:30.980
If the guy wanted to have a conversation with you about paying for the first date, he's like,
06:50:42.160
Like, tell me why you want me to pay for the first date.
06:50:44.760
I feel like a lot of women, they wouldn't even entertain that.
06:50:48.200
They would be like, eh, nevermind about the date.
06:50:54.800
And maybe he's open to hearing your perspective and maybe he's open to hearing his mind changed.
06:51:00.300
But the moment he questions having to adhere to his role or sorry, uh, the moment, sorry, the woman, uh, here's this questioning of him having to adhere to his role.
06:51:11.960
Well, she, I think a lot of women, immediate ick.
06:51:16.080
Oh, you want to negotiate that you have to pay for the date?
06:51:21.460
Wait, where does the bowing thing come from though?
06:51:24.860
Like it, like, is it like borrowed from like Asian culture?
06:51:28.520
I mean, you know, look, the, the bow hasn't just coalesced out of the ether bowing has actually been used in, um, Western cultures, for example, to Kings, for example, uh, people do bow.
06:51:45.120
Hey, look, y'all women want to be treated like Queens shit.
06:52:05.880
You know, what's actually interesting though, is I say this, but like the reality is, um, I'm not going to be bent out of shape.
06:52:15.120
If she honestly like rarely bows, I'm not going to be like, what the fuck you missed your bow today.
06:52:25.580
And if she does it, I don't know, a couple times, honestly could fucking care less if she actually does it could care fucking less, but it's just the temperature check in the same way that women have this temperature check when it comes to paying for the first date.
06:52:38.320
And it's like, if the guy wants to, well, explain to me why I should pay for the first date.
06:52:59.320
Um, also like, I guess my confusion is I think it's wholesome.
06:53:03.220
Like, for example, I don't know, maybe this is better.
06:53:22.620
Like, I mean, if we can ask Graham, would you bow to him?
06:53:44.260
Like you said, if, uh, if it's just like a courtesy thing, um, it's not to be like.
06:53:49.740
Well, I'm asking to him because he's the only one.
06:53:52.040
You're the only guy I've ever heard be like, oh, my girl needs to bow to me.
06:53:57.980
So I don't think it's like an issue with other guys where it's like, oh, like.
06:54:04.840
For, for the perfect man, not just a guy you're attracted to, not just a good man.
06:54:15.300
The perfect man would make me bow to him if I didn't want to.
06:54:19.860
So this would be, uh, you have a magic lamp, a genie.
06:54:25.060
And the genie says he'll grant you, you get only, well, the one, you don't get to choose
06:54:35.040
Um, but in order to, for me to give you this wish, uh, you have to bow once per day or
06:54:43.200
Well, is it like, is it like a white guy like you or is it like an insa, like where it's
06:54:48.460
Like, cause, cause like in Korean culture, like you do it to respect your.
06:54:53.800
Insa is like the word in Korean for like a, like a respectful bow.
06:54:59.080
Is it what, like, is it like a culture thing or is it just like a weird, like.
06:55:02.320
It's just a weird white guy thing, but it's the genie that wants it.
06:55:13.460
Just, I know you're young, but I mean, maybe you've already had some experience, right?
06:55:21.660
I'm not doubting that you'll find a good guy, but most of us are never going to find or
06:55:34.120
Think about, think about how rare that might be.
06:55:36.680
And also think about, well, the, the perfect man in my mind, would he want me also, right?
06:55:46.120
So the perfect man, that means everything you want when it comes to looks, when personality,
06:55:51.520
perfectly, perfectly loyal, every, every single characteristic that you could maximize, perfect.
06:56:02.800
We, we will all make, well, actually, I shouldn't even, we'll find our person, but that person
06:56:11.920
So for the perfect man, will you do that trade?
06:56:51.420
I'd bark like a dog if I was really in love and it made him happy.
06:56:56.920
If you're into this and I care about you, done.
06:56:58.940
But that, but that's like, uh, I, I'm kind of giving this like a bow thing.
06:57:04.720
Even if, you know, I was thinking like, even if the guy, like his intentions behind it are
06:57:12.380
I mean, like, I almost feel like, so do it anyways.
06:57:15.740
He's not acting for, he's not asking for like anal.
06:57:26.580
But, uh, but I mean, the interesting thing with the bow also is I almost feel like it's
06:57:34.080
Like maybe a more relatable one is the first time a girl comes over to my house, I would
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I actually, I mean, at least with the laundry, I, you, you could argue that like, I'm actually
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So you were, you've already gone a couple of days and you're like, Hey, do you mind
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Although sometimes when it comes to dating, people are just like going over to each other's
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You know, you guys know what I'm talking about.
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You guys don't talk about, but like, what's worse?
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People will, they won't even go on a date first.
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They might just come over or hook up pretty quickly.
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Like, I feel like I'm kind of wholesome over here.
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Whereas like other people, it's like, okay, this guy's just going to like do all kinds
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of, you know, you guys are going to fuck and he's going to blast in your face or whatever.
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What's more offensive sex on the first date or laundry on the first date?
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Like I almost would rather the girl like do my laundry.
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Have you found a girl that's willing to do your laundry without you?
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The thing is, if a guy, if a, if a girl really likes you.
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Now, maybe the feminine's programming, you know, but.
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No, I'm telling you, if the girl, if, if you're really into the guy, look, I know some
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I'm telling you, if a girl really fucks with you, she really likes you.
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I'll do a little, I'll do a laundry first time.
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Question, have you ever, the first day you met a guy, have you ever let him deposit his
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Okay, has you, have you ever let a man insert his phallus balls deep?
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It's wrong for me to want a woman to cook, to clean, to do all these things.
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You won't do his load, but you'll take his load.
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A girl will take his load, but she won't do his load.
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You won't do his load, but you'll take his load.
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As a woman, when you care about a guy or you really want to show him that he has a future
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You want to prove that you're a good caretaker.
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The first time you're at his house or dating someone.
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So if you were dating someone, would you do their laundry?
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But what if he's like, I just really need help?
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I guess I would if they like worded it a certain way.
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He's like, I'm so busy working, providing for you.
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Because if it's like, this is a requirement for you to agree.
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So maybe this is also kind of because my view is kind of skewed.
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Well, it's also like, I know guys, they just kind of like ball things up and throw it.
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So like, for me to like, see that, like, just bought a clothes on his bed.
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Like, I don't mind doing a guy's house and it's dirty.
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Like, you gotta fold your laundry kind of thing.
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I'm just trying to be wholesome, Brian, over here.
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You just were talking about loads and back throats.
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And, you know, I've contemplated buying, like, a...
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Like, a hundred years ago, I want the woman to come washboard.
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You know the washboard where they were, like, dragging?
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Like, you want to be a lawyer, I think you said?
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For the perfect man, instead of the bow, for the perfect man, I think this is more realistic.
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Perfect man, and he's wealthy enough to fully cover.
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But, in order to be with him, he says, I want you to stop working, and I want you to take care of the household, and take care of the kids.
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For the perfect man, do you give up your career?
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No, that's like giving up on myself, because I have, like...
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Yes, for the perfect man, do you give up your career?
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What if you can do it as a hobby, but you can never, like, do it career-wise?
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No, that's giving up on myself, and that's not fair.
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I mean, obviously, I'd give up stripping any day, but, like, music, no.
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If I'm, like, just beginning, and I finally, like, you know, get past law school, pass the
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bar exam, and he's like, now you have to just quit it all right now, and then you can be
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Yeah, because, like, I already worked really hard, and, like, I would want, you know, I
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wouldn't want to give up on myself either, if that makes sense.
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But if you were, I don't know, like, three years into your career?
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No, I would want to get further in my career, just, like, just for...
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Because I just would want that for myself, like, I wouldn't want to quit right away.
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What kind of law did you say you wanted to practice?
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I feel like lawyers are, like, super stressed out.
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I know, I know, and, like, eventually, yeah, if I was, like, well into my...
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Oh, sorry, into my career, and I was, like, done, then, yeah, I would want somebody to
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do that for me, but if it's, like, I'm just beginning...
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But when you're done with your career, so, like, at 60, then you can give up your career?
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Maybe, like, a couple years into it, because then I could say I did it, you know, and then
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It's at the most inconvenient time for you to end your career.
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He wants kids, and, I mean, this could even apply, even if you don't want kids, this
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could even apply to, he doesn't want kids, you don't want kids.
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That's usually the main reason that wealthy men want you not to work, is so you're available
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Go shopping, work out, go out with your girlfriends, enjoy life.
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I mean, I think perhaps that would be a great argument for what a perfect man is.
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If you have kids, he's co-parenting with you, but he wants you there also to take care
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of the kids, take care of him, take care of the household.
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Even if you were married or dating or married to a billionaire, would you still want to
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When you're 18, though, your mindset's a little bit different.
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She's not been with a man, I assume, super wealthy that's giving you the option.
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It's the feminist programming, this idea that career should be exalted above all else when...
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The only fear, though, is if it ends and you're fucked.
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But in this hypothetical scenario, if we're talking about a perfect man,
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the entailment there is never cheats, never abuses, loyal, stays with you forever.
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Realistically, a billionaire is not going to want to marry any of us, so...
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Like, would you give this podcast up for the perfect woman?
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And that doesn't coincide typically with the traditional male gender role.
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This is unfair because the reality of life, 99% of people are not going to have their dream job.
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They're not going to have some, like, super illustrious career.
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Most people are going to slave away for some corporation.
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Most people are going to work some, like, kind of shitty job.
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And they're going to do that because they realize they have bills to pay.
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They have responsibilities to themselves, to their children, to their family.
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It's really rare to get to do exactly what you want.
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And even if you do get to do what you want, there's still stress and complications attached to almost any kind of work you do.
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Like, did you think you were going to get into entertainment?
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Seven, I was, like, saying, I don't know, I'm going to be a magician or some shit.
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But, okay, so when somebody tells me perfect woman, I think, okay, looks-wise, exactly what I'd want.
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And if we're bringing in a financial component here, like, billionaire.
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So in my mind, and I just have to give up my dream.
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My dream job would maybe be, like, super famous, like, best ever musician, best ever athlete.
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Actually, I think I got pipes a little bit, but.
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But, and, like, I could still, I don't know, pursue those things as hobbies or whatever.
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Because I think who you marry, who you spend the rest of your life with is probably one of the most important decisions you'll ever make.
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Could perma-fuck you for entire, for your entire life.
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And I, again, my position is perfect doesn't exist.
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We're never going to get, I know some of you want to do the virtue signal.
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It's funny how many modern women freak out over the boat question when a lot of them expect men to remember their anniversary or similar and to do something special or nice for it every year.
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Me and my husband have forgot our anniversary multiple times.
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Did you give up your career for the perfect man?
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I don't think I could because I already have my dream job and I can still stay home with my kids while having my dream job.
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Well, when you're teaching a Pilates class, is it at your house?
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You're not with your kids, I assume, when you're teaching a class, right?
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The morning I teach before they're awake and then I come home and take my daughter to school and then I teach on Sunday.
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Your husband becomes a billionaire overnight, but in order for you to stay with him, he says,
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I live like this whole yoga lifestyle and the number of people who have come to me and said,
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my studio changed their life or they have all these things.
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So now I can't help people with this practice either?
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I don't know if it's great to use the husband as an example.
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If you were to become single again and this next perfect guy comes along, would you give that up for the perfect man?
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Like, yes, if I can still do it as like a hobby.
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So I kind of want to go and get my master's back in like exercise and physiology.
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I'm so confused by this because even as a man where like there is a traditional gender role expectation that men like work, have careers, et cetera, et cetera.
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Even in my position, I'm instantly taking like the billionaire.
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Also, what I don't understand is question for you.
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Let's, I don't know, do you think you'll make like $200,000 at some point in your career?
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Somebody comes to you and they say, you know, maybe you make $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 as an attorney throughout the course of your career.
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Somebody comes to you and says, and this job offer will never go away.
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But for some reason in this hypothetical, they're going to pay you $1,000,000 to be a barista.
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You know that this is more than you will ever earn as being a lawyer.
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And you might say, well, I'm going to be mergers and acquisition lawyer.
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OK, we can bump it to they pay you $10,000,000 to be a barista.
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Maybe some like 0.001% of lawyers might make that much or something if they're partners and own their own law firm.
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So you have to, but you can't, you know, you can't be a lawyer.
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Or do you be a lawyer and get paid $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 a year?
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Right here on this podcast, you have to give up your education.
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I mean, you can still go to frat parties or whatever.
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I guess you can become a lawyer unless you got the education.
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Because it's not like I've already like invested so much into my school.
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Like, and I've invested like probably three weeks so far.
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After you graduate then, $10,000,000 can be a barista.
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Have I paid for law school and for everything and like, like, study for the LSAT?
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It's just hypothetical just to make me say like, I don't want to work as a lawyer anymore.
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No, I'm just trying to see if you do the trade-off of stopping your career to make $10,000,000 a year as a barista.
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Well, my confusion here, though, is the entailment of being with the perfect man who happens to be a billionaire.
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Like, it's like, I wouldn't be like financially.
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So the perfect guy, though, loyal, will never abuse you, treats you perfectly, never leaves you.
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If he's a billionaire, that money, you go to your husband.
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If he's the perfect guy, you go to your husband.
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But that's my confusion with this unwillingness.
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Like, if we frame it differently, like, you'll give up on your career, and you still have to work as a barista.
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And let's say the rule is you can't just be like, oh, well, I made $10,000,000.
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You have to be a barista for the rest of your life.
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You can offer the perfect spouse that's also a billionaire.
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So I'm the billionaire barista with the billionaire husband?
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Well, you said you would not give up your career for the perfect man.
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And he would just, his money is your money, basically.
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I mean, you shouldn't bankrupt the guy, although it's really hard to bankrupt, like a billionaire or whatever.
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But you would give it up and work until you're 60 as a barista.
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I think I'm just too stubborn because I want it to know that it's like my own merit and money, not just like.
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You know, the thing is, though, when it comes to career, I don't think, even for men, but especially for women, that career is going to be the ultimate fulfillment in life.
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Lawyers, the alcoholism rate in lawyers is very high.
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A lot of lawyers end up not doing super glamorous stuff, overworked, super stressed, just like really mustardy.
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Just like, just like paper addiction, just looking at reviewing fucking documents and discovery and just like mustardy.
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I don't remember that from Wolf of Wall Street.
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Matthew McConaughey is talking about numbers, numbers, numbers.
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It's, you know, really up in the brain, mustardy shit.
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I'm, I'm butchering it, but you need to masturbate.
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You need to pump those numbers up seven times a day.
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When I was a little boy, my dream was to become a policeman.
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But that dream was destroyed when two cops gave me a starlight tour during winter.
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So my understanding is it's this Canadian law enforcement phenomenon where, and they target,
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I guess they target like indigenous, Native Americans, tribal people, and they'll like
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during the winter, they'll, they'll give them a ride to like the fucking butt fuck forest
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Did that actually, did that happen to you, Pasty?
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Do you want to, you're going through different.
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Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't, don't put words in my mouth, sir.
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My first kiss was from Wausau, British Columbia.
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They have a huge gay pride parade, unfortunately.
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Finishing up with your notes, we're going to get this wrapped up soon, guys.
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You don't love the way, and I don't do this every show, but tonight I was a little feisty
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But you don't love the way he yells at the girls to shut the fuck up.
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Maybe it was because someone wished death upon me.
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I didn't sleep for three days before I came here.
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I literally thought that you were going to be very gnarly to the girls.
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There was one moment when I was a little snappy with her, and you were like, you know?
07:24:16.760
No, I mean, look, sometimes I can be a little snappy.
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Sometimes we, you know, say things we regret or whatever.
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I will say in defense of Andrew, nobody's perfect, but many, many times, he's matching energy.
07:25:00.520
I shouldn't say worse than Andrew, but she's brutal.
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It's just you don't want to get on her backside.
07:25:14.080
I'll say at least for me, there's definitely times where I'm just, I've not matched energy.
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I would say majority of the time, majority of the time, acknowledging that sometimes, eh, I was kind of like a little rude when I shouldn't have been.
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A lot of times, I'm going to match somebody's energy.
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Like, if they're being reasonable, I'll try to be reasonable.
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But I think the time I said STFU was, and I've said it maybe a handful of times.
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Have you ever told someone to shut the fuck up?
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Like, maybe me and my brother joking at each other, but not like a serious one.
07:26:17.400
Have you ever told someone to shut up, like seriously?
07:26:29.420
But have you ever, like, ever raised your voice?
07:26:34.320
And sometimes people have moments of frustration.
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And maybe they say something in a way they didn't like it or said a specific thing that, in my
07:26:43.240
case, I've done nearly 300 episodes, thousands of hours of conversation.
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Which, I'm not, I definitely am not claiming that I'm perfect, but I think maybe three times,
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maybe four, I've told someone to shut the fuck up.
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I think there was one time I felt uncomfortable through my phone watching it happen.
07:27:21.480
Eh, you know, look, you're having conversations.
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Generally speaking, of course, most men will sacrifice happiness for their family, while
07:27:37.600
women consistently sacrifice family for their pursuit of happiness.
07:27:43.140
Look, I'm just saying, I don't think even for men that the ultimate fulfillment in life
07:27:53.080
will come from a career, I think it's going to be family, I think it's going to be kids,
07:27:57.700
I think it's going to be having a bunch of grandkids all running around, I think that's
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much more fulfillment than just being some nameless cog in the machine for some corporation.
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They're going to be some fucking HR department person policing some bullshit.
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They're going to be project managers doing fuck all.
07:28:24.840
They're going to be pushing paperwork for the partners of a law firm.
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But even if you do have like that super high octane, amazing lawyer career and you're fucking
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doing some trial shit and you're like, lawyer fucked you up in the, in the lawsuit.
07:28:50.780
Like you're just, you know, you're fucking, do people dab still?
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You're just, you're just fucking, I don't know.
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You're just killing it as a lawyer, you know, you're just lawsuit, win, dunking, dunking
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on these scrubs, yo, dunking on these scrubs, win after win.
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When you imitate anyone, you always go into this bitch mode.
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I'm just saying you can't bring your money with you when you die.
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I don't know if it means anything like, I don't know.
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I don't think work is the ultimate fulfillment.
07:29:46.040
What happened to me when I was 11 years old, I was picked up in the evening while heading
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The cops laughed as they dumped me miles from home on a dirt road in the woods.
07:30:09.880
Like, is it like in a super indigenous area or, um, I'm not sure.
07:30:16.960
You said you disagree with basically everything Andrew Wilson says.
07:30:26.400
If, if we ever have you back, we might have him in soon.
07:30:30.020
Um, but, um, you, you have issues with him doing shots, smoking and cursing.
07:30:38.640
Only because he's so Christian and so religious.
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And then it just seems like a contradiction to itself.
07:30:46.580
Well, I mean, I'm not within the way I grew up.
07:30:52.920
Like, yeah, I mean, I'm not the best person to ask this, but my understanding is I don't
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think that there's a contravention of like, I don't think like smoking is like, maybe
07:31:09.580
But I don't know if it like puts you at odds with Christianity, but I'm not the per, I
07:31:17.640
Uh, as far, as far as drinking goes, perhaps you shouldn't like do like get super shit
07:31:25.860
face drunk or whatever, but even then maybe it's okay.
07:31:27.940
But I, I mean, isn't the blood of Christ, isn't it wine or something?
07:31:32.320
Technically it's wine, but it's not, I mean, you're supposed to be drinking the blood of
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I mean, at that point you're supposed to be treating it as if it's the blood of Christ,
07:31:42.500
But I, I don't think like drinking, for example, means you're not Christian.
07:31:53.160
Word of wisdom and we can debate whether or not Mormon's Christian.
07:31:57.000
I think they're Christian, but within our religion, it was like, I don't drink, I don't smoke.
07:32:06.160
He's Orthodox, so I don't know if it differs there, but yeah, I, I'm not, I'm not an expert
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on like what you can or can't do as it relates to like drinking, cursing, drinking as a Christian.
07:32:17.460
But, uh, final thing from you, you, you said you think Andrew's views on submission is gross.
07:32:29.740
Maybe we'll save it if you ever have a condo with, we already got into some of the submission
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So I feel like we covered that Ophelia, Ophelia did her stuff.
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You've got endless dating, excuse me, endless dating stories.
07:33:15.400
Hey, you would be a good match for, for, uh, pasty Canadian, you know?
07:33:27.080
Um, you know, he never made it to the majors, but like, he was honestly, he was so close,
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Was it from walking back from the woods when he was 11?
07:33:43.280
My ex-husband was supposed to be first round, like, first draft pick, but your only draft
07:33:53.940
No, he had an injury, and like, but if you like hockey players, like, he's your guy.
07:33:58.060
I'm actually not a fan of any sort of professional athlete.
07:34:02.480
I worked with them for years, so I have a lot of stories about them.
07:34:17.420
Um, flirting and talking, and then turned down the trip.
07:34:48.280
He had to support you, so he started a meth business.
07:34:56.780
You disagree with the girls appearing on the show.
07:35:02.340
You once dated a very well-known fitness influencer, looked nothing like his online persona.
07:35:11.020
You said he had a roommate, no money, but he presented himself as wealthy, successful
07:35:19.400
Came to my home and stayed with me in my, I had a 5,000 square foot house, and he would
07:35:23.540
spend all day in my office, literally arguing with people on Instagram.
07:35:28.480
Um, then he had a toothache, and he's like, I need to go to the dentist, and I'm like,
07:35:32.280
well, you're a multi-millionaire, but I'll pay for your dentist, and then I wake up in
07:35:36.100
the middle of the night, and he's jerking off furiously.
07:35:47.500
And, uh, the next morning, I'm like, you need to get out of my house, it's time for
07:35:50.600
you to leave, because we were not having intercourse.
07:35:54.980
Um, so then he, he attempted to extort me for thousands and thousands of dollars.
07:36:01.280
And, um, he's now, we're waiting for his, uh, final judgment.
07:36:11.940
I had, well, he, he came after, when I asked him to leave my house, he came after me with
07:36:15.560
all these fake phone numbers and harassments, and he was a very large, scary person, and
07:36:20.140
I have a recording of it all, but, um, I had to go file a restraining order, and then once
07:36:24.960
I submitted all the, the proof of what was happening, uh, the five district attorneys decided
07:36:35.940
It was attempted extortion, revenge porn, harassment.
07:36:42.080
Yeah, I think it's going to get reduced, unfortunately.
07:36:44.660
It's really, it's taken six years for them to build this whole case, so it's been a long
07:36:49.340
All right, and then we have, uh, we have Lindsay, and then we have V, then we're done.
07:37:02.660
You want me to, you want me to, men who are passionate, obsessed with crystals, stones.
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I feel like most women are kind of, well, not, sorry, not most women, but I feel like it's
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I'm, I'm not into, like, guys that are into that stuff.
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Okay, that's kind of based, that's based in Red Pilled.
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And I almost included cats in there, but then I realized you're a cat dad now, so.
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But somebody did put something in there, or in, in perspective for me.
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They're like, men who look at cats are actually more responsible because they know that cats
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You said that there's a growing amount of femme men in today's society.
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Huge issue, along with morally disgraceful women.
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California men, you know, you've been living here.
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You say men who grew up outside of California tend to be more masculine versus California guys.
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I guess the final thing for you then is, see, it was quick, guys.
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Hear several people constantly say they know they deserve the best and want to be treated like royalty, so like princess or queen shit.
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Yet they are the same exact woman who brings chaos to a relationship.
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Yeah, I think it's, I just, I cannot stand when I hear a girl, I mean, I would say mostly females, and in the sense of, I know what I deserve, and I'm going to get it, and I'm a queen, or I deserve to be treated like this, and yet they are a fucking disaster.
07:39:36.940
Final thing for you, should just be a few minutes here, then we'll do like a brief roast, I guess.
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They send in roast messages, it'll be five, ten minutes.
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Tell us the story, you got pregnant when you were 19, and you found out in rehab.
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Okay, so, I was, I had my first boyfriend when I was like 18.
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And we did it for like half a year or so, I don't even know.
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But I only did girls for, I'm not like only, I still love girls, but.
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Let me just interrupt you very briefly just to get the roast session going.
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You guys can start getting them in, try to get them in quick if you can.
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$30 roast, $30 roast, final portion of the show here.
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Didn't mean to, sorry to interrupt you, please go ahead.
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Yeah, I had like two girlfriends before that, but he was my first like serious relationship, I'd say.
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And yeah, we broke up and I moved across the country a week later and went to rehab to get sober for the, well, it was like my first attempt at sobriety when I was like 19.
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Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, my computer was tripping out.
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It was my first attempt at sobriety and I found out I was pregnant in rehab and it was a whole argument.
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He like really wanted me to abort the kid and I didn't want to because I had the finances and like support for it and I ended up having an ectopic pregnancy and he blocked me and never spoke to me again because I didn't willingly abort the kid.
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I was like, well, aren't you pro abortion or pro choice or whatever?
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But it doesn't mean that like, you know, that doesn't mean all.
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Well, I was 18 when I first started dating him, but 19 when I got pregnant.
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But so what, I guess what's the criticism that he broke up with you because you didn't want to have the abortion?
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No, he just never, well, we were already broken up, but he never wanted to speak to me again.
07:41:58.760
Well, you guys were broken up, so what's the problem?
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Well, you're, you're like, what's the, did he, are you saying he did something wrong?
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So, never spit, like, he's not spoken to me in like three years because I didn't willing, like, I lost his kid instead of willingly, you know, getting an abortion.
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Did he state that to you that he, because you chose to keep it and you lost it, that that's the reason he won't?
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And he threatened it, like, he threatened it before.
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Did, he broke, you guys broke up before the ectopic?
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If he broke up with you prior to the ectopic pregnancy, how could that be a post hoc justification for why he broke up with you?
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No, she said they broke up and she was pregnant and he wanted her to get an abortion.
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And then she ended up having to get rid of the baby anyways.
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He didn't want anything to do with her anyways.
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So, because she wanted to keep it, he didn't want to be with her anyways.
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So, I don't see how the ectopic pregnancy, like, that component of it.
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Just because you weren't, like, together anymore doesn't mean that he could, like, he could have supported you, like, at least emotionally or some sort of way instead of blocking you.
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He didn't want to, I mean, look, we can, not to get into an abortion debate, but.
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Well, she physically went through something kind of awful with the whole ectopic.
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Like, that, that, that type of pregnancy is not comfortable.
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Probably didn't feel good to, like, go through something so traumatic, both, like, physically and emotionally, since she wanted to keep it.
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And then he just, like, wants nothing to do with her blocks, or even though they were already split up.
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You could still acknowledge her as a human being that went through something painful.
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You know, if you would have got hit by a car the next day after you guys broke up and she didn't reach out, are you okay?
07:44:39.260
But, I mean, like, how long were you guys dating for?
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People, people, people break up all the time after knowing each other for only six months.
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But it's, like, women want to go no contact all the time after breakups.
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Men want to go no contact all the time after breakups.
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But the point is, he tried, like, manipulating the situation like he was going to stay my friend until I didn't get the abortion.
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But there was, okay, but here, here's, here's how I'm understanding it.
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He's thinking, okay, I'm going to have to be involved somehow.
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He's going to be on the hook for child support, whatever it is, right?
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Um, okay, I'm going to keep things, like, I'm, okay.
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If a woman, if a woman has your kid, you're kind of linked.
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It's in the best interest to, like, have some, look, some guys can just go and disappear.
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Unless you totally, you know what, don't pay me child support, don't give a fuck, go away, right?
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Now that it was clear that that link was no more.
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He maybe only maintained contact because you were pregnant with his child.
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I didn't know I was pregnant until, like, a week into rehab.
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You said that he told you he wanted for you to get an abortion.
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Is a man must, like, stay with you or whatever?
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Because that's a horrible thing to do to a human being.
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Are you not on good terms with any of your exes?
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Oh, I mean, if I have an amicable breakup, I don't block them.
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When you got knocked up at 19 in the rehab facility, you were on good terms?
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Women who take drugs and the drug addiction is so severe that they're in...
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Women who are in drug rehab are never, you know, never mistreat their partners.
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There's never any negative behaviors from drug addicts.
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Um, so in any case, I don't think it's, you know, were you perfect?
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I think her point is just more like it was a traumatic thing, and then he blocked her,
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Some dude she was hooking up with, she gets pregnant, he's like, yo, I don't want to have
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Yes, it sucks she didn't contact her, and maybe she was fucked up.
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Were you doing drugs after you found out you were pregnant?
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I found out, I told you, I found out I was pregnant in rehab.
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And you stopped, did you stop smoking, stopped drinking, stopped doing drugs?
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Well, I guess I was like a couple weeks pregnant.
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What kind of drugs were you doing when you got pregnant?
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Okay, well, I mean, the guy broke up with you, you were in rehab.
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His link to you, the moment that you had the abortion or whatever, the link is severed.
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Wait, there's a great point that's been missed here.
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And that baby had a very high chance of coming out in a really bad way.
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I was four to six weeks when I found out, but I was sober for like two weeks when I found
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Either way, it happened the way it was supposed to happen.
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You say the typical view men typically view women as objects.
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Men typically view women as objects and sex toys.
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I won't linger on this, but women objectify men.
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If women are sex objects, men are success objects.
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Women objectify men all the time for a variety of reasons.
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You said a guy got you flowers once and he took you stargazing.
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Then he started growling in your ear and you never spoke to him again.
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$29 TTS, $29 TTS, streamlines.com slash whatever.
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It's like, I had to listen to you stupid bitches for eight hours.
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Guys, like the video if you enjoyed the stream.
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Can you please explain to use the motivation for the double eyebrow thing?
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Also, who is the maniac telling women that tattoos look good?
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It's like a, yeah, it's a little cut crease, but I get what you mean.
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That's the one thing that never made sense to me.
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A woman can block a man for whatever stupid reason during or after a relationship, but men
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Like, you have to have human sympathy to fucking get-
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I'm not going to give too much charity to a woman who's, like, in drug rehab.
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Like, I can't imagine you were, like, that was a healthy relationship.
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Like, and look, I'm not saying he was perfect, but, like, if you're in drug rehab, you were
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I'm not going to totally let him escape from any sort of whatever, but-
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I mean, I don't agree with the situation, but I can understand what she's trying to say.
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There's a few I'm going to allow if anybody wants to get some roasts in.
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So, we can see the full chat at a later point when we rewatch this.
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You guys definitely will need therapy after this.
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Uh, I guess the only final thing from this questionnaire that I would say, Rachel, did
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you have an input on the, like, women are oppressed in the USA thing?
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Uh, any final thoughts from any panelists before I get this wrapped up here?
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I guess if Ophelia or whatever the fuck her name is, maybe if she had stayed, there
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Yeah, someone called you the female Ozzy at the beginning of this, too.
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Okay, well, if any trickle in, I'll be sure to get them, but I want to say-
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You have to wait like 30 seconds after the live for you to be able to leave a comment.
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You can say something nice about me or one of the guests.
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She put you in the same category as Charlie, so I mean-
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But to everybody, you could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Pasty George, can you go on eBay and find me a BlackBerry?
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And thank you for the champagne pop, by the way.
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