Female Equivalent Of Giving Flowers？ Hater CONFRONTS Brian？ She Says Are Men EVIL？ ｜ Dating Talk 273
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9 hours and 7 minutes
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, host Brian Atlas sits down with two friends to talk about their experiences in college and what they've learned about sex and relationships. Willow, 21, is a junior in college studying psychology and cognitive science, and a minor in statistics at the University of California, San Francisco, and Alex, 22, is currently a senior in the same program.
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Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
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We'll get into a few quick announcements in just a moment, but first we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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I'm from the Bay Area, California, and I'm currently a junior studying psychology and cognitive science and a minor in statistics.
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Oh, sorry, just turned 22, okay. And you're studying, what again? Sorry.
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Double major and a minor, okay, gotcha. And you just had your finals, right?
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What's your primary? Is there a primary major, or are they both?
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It was originally just psychology, but then I added on the rest because I like to torture myself academically.
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How many classes were you taking this semester, quarter?
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Only three, but I'm going to be taking 27 credits instead of 15 next quarter.
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I was taking adult developmental psychology, human sexuality in society, and anthropology, biological human adaptation stuff.
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And did you write essays in all three of those?
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In theory. I'm a little sleep-deprived, but I can try my best.
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Well, in any case, it's as fresh as it's going to be.
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From each of the three classes you took, tell me one takeaway that you can relate to us.
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Um, I would probably have to choose human sexuality in society.
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And I think one of the things that I, a lot of very interesting things, but one thing that comes to mind would be that a lot of men need to have sex with more men.
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So basically, um, there was a study, and to be fair, the study is quite old, um, so it would be interesting to see it replicated, but...
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No, the guy's a total degenerate, what's a total degenerate and...
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Yeah, I don't know, we didn't learn about that part.
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Um, just that there are a lot of, like, straight men who identify as straight, but then will, like, go, like, they're down low, like, they'll go and have sex with other men, but they won't consider themselves.
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Bisexual, because they don't want relationships with other men, um, and they don't necessarily, like, I mean, some of the quotes from some of these guys were very interesting.
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They're like, oh, I don't even, you know, find men that attractive, I just like to fuck them.
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And, you know, I think just men want to get their rocks off, and that's fine.
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Yeah, I, I would assume this is a really small proportion of men who...
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You might assume that, but, you know, I think it's a larger number than...
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Okay, so you're living in, like, a super lib, like, soy...
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So, I, I think what I, my interpretation would be probably the people in your circle, like, you're a hippie liberal.
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Like, yeah, they're probably, like, probably a bit gay.
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Not, I'm not, I'm not making a criticism of that.
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I'm not saying it's, like, probably a good chance they're bi or gay.
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So, like, you're, you're mapping that experience on to, like, frat boys at ASU?
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Look up, um, oh, God, I, I should remember the name.
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But, um, yeah, there was, I mean, it was, like, misogyny was so deeply rooted that they
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were, like, having sex with women is disgusting and gross.
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And they would have these, like, older men taking upon, like, younger boys as their, like,
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Wow, that's, uh, that's quite the hypothesis there.
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So, the big, oh, you guys have thoughts on this?
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Um, I've only been in two serious relationships and got cheated on with men both times.
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Um, you know, totally trying to date, like, straight men and just finding out that they
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You know, it's like, I feel like that's actually a very common experience for people nowadays.
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Like, you're, you're in straight relationships, but you find out that he's secretly doing gay stuff.
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Just, just really quick on Kinsey, just because I looked it up.
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Alfred Kinsey, the, uh, person you were citing to.
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Just some of my, at least the qualms that I, I had heard about, but I wanted to further clarify.
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He, uh, like, his personal life and research kind of blurred together.
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Um, he documented his own sexual behavior in detail.
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So, I don't know if he was engaged in, like, uh, polygamy, basically.
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But, but the, the biggest controversy was that he, uh, I guess one of the biggest criticisms
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is he would describe sexual responses in children.
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That's primarily what I was talking about when it came to his degeneracy.
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I think that that's a bit peculiar, um, perhaps even predatory.
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You don't think professionals should study children at all?
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Would you like to, would you like to revise your statement?
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Okay, so did I say, uh, like, doctors shouldn't study children?
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That, I mean, honestly, I think the bigger criticism of him is that he was a zoologist.
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You think zoology is a bigger criticism than, like, doing sexual studies on children?
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I think that he, yeah, zoology, he should get canceled for that.
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Are you just doing a justification for pedophilia?
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He was, he was, uh, doing reports on the sexual responses in children.
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Did you hear I just said I don't agree with that?
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You made it when I, hold on, you were just like, well, what's wrong with studying children?
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In response to me saying he was, he was studying the sexual responses in children.
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But also, like, you know, I think that professionals, I mean, is it the craziest thing to know that, like, there are sexually active kids?
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I think that understanding them and researching them, and I think that there's a way to do it.
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There's an ethical way and there's an unethical way.
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So what's the other thing you learned from your classes or whatever?
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I can try to think of something, but I think that bisexuality is definitely on the rise.
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It makes more sense that people are naturally bisexual instead of inherently straight or gay.
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So I think that the main takeaway from Kinsey is just the Kinsey scale, and there are criticisms of that.
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No, but you said you were taking some other classes.
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Adult developmental and aging and anthropology.
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There's a funny one where they're trying to say there's, like, this rise in men, or not men,
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but, like, in human people saying that if you can drink milk, you're white, because lactase persistence
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is, like, a trait that is associated with Europeans because they grew up and were able to farm cattle
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and were able to get their nutrients from that.
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And the truth is there are a lot of white people who can't drink milk, and there's a lot of people
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I am a full-time student at Northeastern University in Boston, and I am a business and psych major.
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No, so I was actually on an internship for six months, because Northeastern has a co-op
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program, so we do six months of internship and then six months of classes.
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Yeah, so I'm in my senior year, so it's a five-year program because we do the co-ops with
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So, tell us, like, one big takeaway from recent college life.
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Okay, well, my favorite one that I see on the show all the time is cognitive dissonance,
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which is, yeah, is essentially the idea that there's a conflict between your behaviors
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and your thoughts, and you try to change, like, the way that you think about something
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based on your behaviors to try to justify it better, essentially.
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I know a bit about AI, and I've done it in a couple of my internships.
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And my current internship that I've been in for six months was at a consulting firm, so...
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When you say you would consult on AI, what would that entail?
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My strategy consulting on how businesses can implement AI into their day-to-day functions.
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And then you're also going to be graduating soon.
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So, I got a bachelor's in fine art from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.
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You can get a bachelor's in art, and that's like a certain amount of credit hours.
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And if you go and you do like multiple disciplines, like if you take pottery and painting
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That's like other disciplines of art, like pottery?
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It's actually a wide umbrella of like different topics.
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Like you got your 2D art, which is like your printmaking and your painting and stuff like
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And then you have 3D art, like sculpture, pottery.
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But I did the film and like performance program, so I didn't do 2D or 3D.
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Like, my register that I talk and sing in is mostly alto.
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But I use all types of, like, voice compressors and changers and stuff when I'm doing my vocals.
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So, it's crazy how I ended up with this tattoo.
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And ended up talking to the bartender a little bit.
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And we were having this real philosophical debate and talking about the French Revolution.
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And it's like this, you know, it's this phrase of, like, emancipation.
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So, yeah, I just, like, walked across the street and got it tatted on my neck.
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And I work as a pharmacy technician, which has nothing to do with my major.
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And weren't you in, like, a Cardi B video or something?
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So, guys, before I get into some of the other things, we have, I apologize for the slightly
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One of them gave me permission to call them because I'm going to fucking roast them.
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Apparently, there was flooding, but she let us know like 20 minutes after the meet time.
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And she's coming from, okay, I'll just, I'll talk to her on the phone.
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I don't know if she's going to pick up, though.
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Just want to confirm to record this phone conversation.
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Just want to reaffirm that this is being recorded.
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So, you were scheduled to be on the show today.
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Now, aren't you from, well, you live in L.A., right?
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And, you know, was, did your phone fall into the flood water?
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The flood did happen, and it is why my car couldn't leave the neighborhood.
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It's, like, super disrespectful, and I'm sorry.
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And I kept putting it off and off and off and off.
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No, I couldn't, because my private neighborhood, no cars could fucking leave.
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Regardless of whether you could have made it or not, let's give you, let's be somewhat
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charitable and say, you know, I'm, I think, you know, it's a bit dubious that you couldn't
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But let's go ahead and say you couldn't have made it.
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Do you think 20 minutes after you were supposed to be here was the appropriate time to be
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You knew two days ago you weren't going to make it.
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You're, you're, you're scared because you think I'm going to be angry because you are
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fucking with our production, but don't hold on, hold on.
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No, we can't have, we can only have one fucking.
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Like, you don't have to do a troll and be annoying about it.
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So, if your intention was to make me less angry and not fuck with our production.
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It takes five seconds to just be like, hey, I'm not, I'm not coming.
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Like, I was nervous because I didn't want to tell Brian I wasn't going to come.
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But the extension of that is by you not telling us you're not going to come, that, that's worse.
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How, how have you not, how have you not adulted?
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I mean, if you know you're not going to be somewhere, the, the courteous and etiquette thing to do is just like, hey, I'm really sorry.
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I mean, if you told us two days ago, that would have given us time to have found a replacement, but just leaving us here, holding our cocks, like that fucks us up more.
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I don't see how you can't comprehend that, like, it's just the courteous thing to do, but also in terms of maximizing, like our ability to find somebody else.
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You just no showing and telling us 20 minutes after the scheduled me time, you're not coming and not giving us a heads up is retarded.
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And I want you to say here now on the whatever podcast, you said you agree.
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I want you to say, I want you to say, Brian, I'm sorry that I'm a retard.
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Okay, fill in the blank for different words than retards and I'll say it.
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Brian, I'm sorry I'm an inconsiderate piece of shit.
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Brian, I'm sorry I'm an inconsiderate piece of shit.
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Okay, and then this other person who's fucking running late apparently doesn't know fucking directions.
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Holy shit, by the way, Pasty George, good to see you in the chat, my friend.
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All right, so anyways, I don't know what the fuck is going on tonight, I'm telling you.
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We got two no-shows, three no-shows at this point.
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I got to call some other, wait, no, no, I can't.
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Wait, Nick, actually, here, Nick, can you just do it for me so I can get the show going?
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I just want to, at this point, she can fucking drive back to, oh my, okay, we're just.
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All right, now that I've fucking crashed out on my own podcast.
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Well, I mean, I don't think there's a complete catastrophic collapse of the fucking telecoms.
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They're super comfortable, super sane, soft, lightweight fabric.
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Not like this dog shit band merch that feels like a fucking, I don't know.
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They printed out of fucking cardboard and like, I don't know, whatever.
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If you want to be, if you're a woman, if you're, I guess we have trans people on sometimes.
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If you're cis, if you're they, them, whatever the fuck you can be on.
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I only date women with larger labia, so it's a close issue to my heart.
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I ratioed Kanye West because he had some shit to say, and I fucking bitch slapped him digitally.
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But yeah, all labia can't matter until Big Labia Matter, BLM.
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Post our stream schedule, behind the scenes, hate mail, research studies, a bunch of other stuff.
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Oh, and yeah, if you're my Caucasian, you will join the Discord.
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So, coming from Burbank, it was further than I expected it to be, so.
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Yeah, Burbank, yeah, it's like an hour and 30 minutes.
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There's just a little bit more traffic than I expected there to be, and I couldn't leave on time.
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It was like three, when I texted you, I was leaving.
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Chantel, 32, veterinary technician, single and pregnant.
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Went to school for that, and I'm trying to get my license to be a veterinary technician so I can get registered.
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Oh, I thought you were asking me, like, school.
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Uh, I'm trying to think of a joke about your, uh, fetus being late or something, but I can't.
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And then you count as a, I don't know, you're two people, technically.
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Jeez, this panel's gonna be, okay, I'm gonna be tilted the whole show.
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So, we're gonna get into, uh, we're gonna get into the show, finally.
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Um, I think the best place to start off is, with, uh, is disagreements.
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So, I know some of you have different disagreements with me.
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We need to get people's relationship status first.
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I'm gonna try my best to not be cranky this, this episode.
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Um, for the amount of time that I've been single, most of it I've been celibate.
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How long have you, uh, has it been since the last time you had cardinal knowledge?
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Um, I'm single, and I've been single since January.
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And my longest relationship was three and a half years.
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Longest relationship, you said, was three and a half years.
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So, the, the three and a half year relationship, is that the one that ended a year ago?
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Um, uh, we fought a lot, and I couldn't do it anymore.
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Okay, yeah, but can you, can, only if you do the, the hand symbol.
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Is it a, is, do you guys, are you called Kappas?
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Do, I know fraternities, they have a secret handshake.
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Um, I won't do, like, the enthusiasm, but you'll get the picture, okay?
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K-A-P-P-A, take it twice and add a G-A-M-M-A, Kappa Kappa Gamma, shout
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Uh, we'll pop a champagne ball in just a moment.
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I just want to get through like kind of the introduction stuff, but you're fucking legend.
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Is that like Chips Ahoy or is that something else?
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Do you guys do, what is, I saw this thing called the Gates of Hell and it's like a door?
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There's frat houses, but not sorority houses because in Boston, it's a brothel.
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But I mean, women who are in sororities are not sex workers.
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So I don't know, like, so women can't collectively live in a house together?
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So it's weird because if you live in a house with, like, all girls in the house in different
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But if you have an organization, that's so weird.
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You know, one thing I noticed about you, I watched some of your TikToks.
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And I don't know if it's, you're, and I, look, I think people's voice changes over time.
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But your voice in four years' time or something has changed.
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I used to get bullied for my voice back in, like, middle school because it did not sound
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When you messaged us, weren't you in a relationship then?
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It was kind of an on-again, off-again relationship.
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But I think that, you know, it's just like the last, like, year and a half has been, like,
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we'll get together and then we'll break up and we'll get together.
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Well, you know, I'd rather not give the details on that, but I've been...
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I went out last night and watched a movie with a nice young man.
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So, it's three friends over here that we're talking about.
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I'm still, like, in that phase where, like, I need some time.
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I need some time before I get back on that train.
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He was having rebounds before the relationship was over.
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And I feel like when you date someone for that long, you experience many seasons of someone.
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And so, there were times when we were very serious, and there were times when we weren't.
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And, um, have been single, uh, just recent, so maybe, like, a few weeks.
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Um, and you said longest relationship how long?
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Is that the guy who broke up with you three weeks ago or whatever?
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Uh, so three weeks ago you broke up with your, uh, boyfriend of how long?
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Um, do you think it's over, over, or are you guys going to reconcile?
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Are you, what do you mean, not that you can remember?
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Were you, like, high on heroin, and you just forgot, or what?
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So it's not like, hey, if you dated women in the past, you know, it's not gonna come back,
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and, you know, saying it on the show is not gonna bite you in any sort of way.
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So what's your reason for not kissing anyone at 27 years old?
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And, and what's the right one supposed to be like?
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You, like, hang out with Drake, and you haven't, like, talked to a girl?
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Toi et le Père Noël, les pros de l'emballage cadeau.
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Mais Reese's se demande, côté de déballage, c'est qui le meilleur?
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Les moules Reese au beurre d'arachide mettent ton art du déballage à l'épreuve.
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Et avec trois moules au beurre d'arachide crémeux et chocolat fournant par paquet,
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Pour retrouver encore et encore ce plaisir sucré-salé.
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Et encore, et encore, le Père Noël a ses biscuits, toi, ta Reese.
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I have fibromyalgia and PTSD and POTS and a few other things.
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I can have her sing for us, but I don't want to, she'll want to come over.
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My most popular song's called What Was Left in the Cold by Averill.
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I do, like, a few different types of vocal arrangements, and I was talking earlier about,
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like, my vocal treatments and stuff like that, so.
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Treatment is, like, anything that you do to the vocals to alter it.
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I've got, like, some songs where I'm singing, and I'm, like, belting, and then I've got
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some songs where I'm rapping and doing, like, more hip-hop kind of stuff.
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Can you freestyle about your experience tonight?
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Okay, I wrote, okay, actually, Brian, no beatbox.
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Listen, we could, like, all collectively make a song together.
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It's, like, alternative slash grunge slash Screamo.
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I kind of call it satin rock, because it's, like, a rock, but very different styles in
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And I don't know what to call it other than that.
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I didn't get it last time, so I'm glad I get the moment this time.
00:52:15.700
I would rather you just go stream my new single that just came out.
00:52:26.140
Is that why you did this whole social work style psych education?
00:52:31.240
Honestly, I think I've just found psychology incredibly interesting.
00:52:35.940
I was originally going to major in business, but I did a year and a half, and I was like,
00:52:42.520
And I am way more interested and passionate about learning how the brain works.
00:52:45.980
I think I'm trying to figure out what route of psychology I want to go into for a PhD.
00:52:50.900
And I think social psychology is pretty interesting.
00:52:56.780
I think more people should understand basic psych stuff, but, you know.
00:53:10.240
And that's why you were late, because it was from Burbank.
00:53:25.440
He wanted to, um, actually, he didn't break, he didn't want to break up with me.
00:53:28.080
He wanted to do, like, a, he wanted to have two girlfriends or something.
00:53:44.860
Yeah, I didn't end up working out with that, he didn't end up working out with that chick either.
00:53:57.700
Um, I, I like his last name, honestly, but I'm not, I'm not sure, I'm not really sure what
00:54:04.840
You should look up the laws about, uh, naming your baby.
00:54:08.700
Like, there's certain things according to, like, who had, like, which last name the baby
00:54:13.840
has that determine, like, child support and different, like, legal documents.
00:54:29.840
No, I mean, I, I was, I, I think I did everything good in the relationship.
00:54:32.640
Like, he, you know, he even said that I didn't deserve it, but he, you know.
00:54:41.300
Yeah, because he, the way he went about it was, like, he decided, like, just cheat
00:54:53.040
Um, you're gonna, I, Keebler Elf, because there's some shit going on, I promise you we're
00:55:00.380
gonna do the champagne pop, but it's gonna have to wait momentarily.
00:55:14.980
What, what, weren't we gonna react to something, or?
00:55:18.500
Uh, we brought up some of the TikTok for a second.
00:55:29.220
We had somebody obnoxiously, obscenely, egregiously, rudely late.
00:55:35.500
Um, I'm already, this is the most tilted I've been in a really long time.
00:55:47.500
Um, is anybody here, like, um, uh, no, I don't think so.
00:56:05.640
I like, uh, being a nudist and going around the forest naked.
00:56:12.420
And you don't shower, apparently, or infrequently shower?
00:56:29.120
No, but I, I saw somewhere you don't frequently shower or something like that.
00:56:52.100
I understand that you shower, but wasn't there some, something like you frequently skip
00:57:04.740
I have fibromyalgia and when flare-ups get really bad, like I just don't leave the bed.
00:57:23.380
Something about you having piercings when you're really young.
00:57:26.140
Yeah, I moved schools and so when I was a freshman, I quickly became friends with a
00:57:34.020
girl who wanted to be a piercer and I wanted to be a tattoo artist and we decided that we
00:57:46.480
You think the rise of clickbait, red pill content is detrimental to the young, parentheses,
00:58:04.140
I'm not that familiar with the podcast, but I would, my, I would assume so.
00:58:10.220
Okay, but you're, when you say you're not familiar with the podcast, what do you mean?
00:58:16.320
Of the clips you've seen, would it fall into your categorization of clickbait, red pill content?
00:58:29.040
I think anything that is, I think ragebait specifically, where it's like specifically
00:58:46.640
But why don't we start with the original claim of clickbait.
00:58:52.140
It's something that gets you to try to click on it.
00:58:55.280
Okay, so wouldn't that in essence be pretty much anything?
00:58:58.940
Okay, so when I think of clickbait, I think of something that would be misleading.
00:59:04.980
I think, okay, here is a thumbnail of, you know, you're seeing something and then the
00:59:13.140
actual content you get when you end up on the page, the article has nothing to do with
00:59:21.080
So I think if we're talking about clickbait, at least my sense of clickbait, it would be
00:59:27.460
Okay, so would you categorize our content as misleading?
00:59:31.640
I think you guys are pretty upfront about what you're about.
00:59:33.640
Okay, so you would more so categorize it as ragebait?
00:59:41.360
Um, I think looking for very, like, controversial topics.
00:59:46.000
I mean, even the questions that we were being asked are stuff that people have very strong
00:59:49.860
opinions about and people are, you know, encouraged to be very, very, I don't know.
00:59:55.720
I think that it elicits, like, this, like, either or, when I think, in the grand scheme
01:00:00.300
of things, everything's a little bit of a gray in between.
01:00:07.880
There's no need to categorize things as left or right, or one thing is correct and one thing
01:00:14.240
I think that there's, there should be room for nuance.
01:00:16.900
And I think that a lot of this kind of conversation isn't allowed in a lot of podcasting.
01:00:21.560
I mean, more so in podcasting than some other stuff, but.
01:00:24.460
What, when you say it's not allowed, what do you mean?
01:00:26.960
I think that it's not interesting for viewers because they want to, you know, click on a
01:00:39.620
I think a lot of people can learn quite a, quite a bit from this show.
01:00:43.200
Um, but is it strictly, is it an educational podcast in the same way that like somebody
01:00:48.200
teaching you, uh, like, uh, organic chemistry, uh, in video format?
01:00:58.280
Like, I don't think the primary aim is to educate.
01:01:02.840
And if those conversations happen to be entertaining, then I suppose that's a byproduct.
01:01:07.640
But as it relates to, uh, rage bait though, what specifically about the whatever podcast,
01:01:13.840
Um, again, I haven't watched a ton, but from the clips, it's like, um, just, oh, women
01:01:23.740
And, you know, all the, all caps like, oh, feral girl doesn't shower.
01:01:27.960
I saw that was supposed to be for me, you know, things that are just like very, wow.
01:01:36.700
I don't know if that would make somebody rage, but, um, what, besides that, is there anything
01:01:40.880
you could point to in terms of the rage baiting that you allege is happening?
01:01:47.040
Um, just stereotypes about the same, like the same women are, men are conversations.
01:01:53.280
So what are some things we've said about, uh, women or men that you think is, uh, wrong
01:02:01.620
Well, then how would you be able to come to the conclusion that that's what we're doing?
01:02:11.140
You're trying to gauge some sort of, like, specifically trying to, you know, do your thing.
01:02:19.200
You're trying to gauge some sort of reaction from me.
01:02:29.640
If somebody forwards a criticism and the, uh, subject of the criticism is like, what
01:02:39.700
That's not trying to get a rise out of somebody.
01:02:41.940
That's a, you, you have to demonstrate your criticism.
01:02:46.760
See, instead of understanding my opinion and understanding and trying to gauge a sort of
01:02:50.860
conversation, you're just saying, that's not right.
01:02:56.380
No, I'm, I'm, that's actually exactly what I'm trying to do.
01:02:59.440
I'm trying to understand your position right now.
01:03:02.380
You're, you're, uh, kind of obfuscating and completely unwilling to actually articulate
01:03:07.260
what your position is and what, like the evidence for it.
01:03:11.000
So for example, if I were to say, I think that you sexually abuse animals or some crazy
01:03:16.580
shit like that, right, you'd be like, oh, uh, well, no, but do you have any evidence for
01:03:22.140
And I, I, the burden would be on me to, yeah, the burden would be on me to provide evidence
01:03:29.900
So you've made a claim that this podcast is a rage bait.
01:03:34.020
I'm, I'm seeking to understand your perspective because I disagree.
01:03:37.680
So what can you point to that would demonstrate the, the rage bait nature of the podcast?
01:03:46.000
I, you know what, honestly, my feelings aren't that strong, but I don't think that.
01:03:51.920
Regardless of how strong or weak your feelings are, you did, you did put forward a position
01:04:00.740
So you said you paint women like you say, women are like this, men are like this.
01:04:05.280
Well, give me one or two examples of, well, I haven't really watched, so I don't know.
01:04:10.360
You want me to remember every single thing I've seen on social media?
01:04:14.300
But I think, I think if you say to somebody, well, you maybe have either, like, would you
01:04:25.420
I did a search and, uh, you know, it's just generally seen on like Reddit.
01:04:29.580
My brother actually was like, don't go on that fucking dumb ass podcast.
01:04:32.720
You know, he's got his strong, he's got stronger opinions than I do.
01:04:35.860
I don't care about your, your brother's not here.
01:04:42.680
I feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over.
01:04:52.760
And now the burden is on you to demonstrate it.
01:04:56.480
Because I feel like it perpetuates stereotypes that are not helpful.
01:05:01.780
Which are, and which stereotypes are we perpetuating that are not helpful?
01:05:09.280
Can I look at some of the questions that we answered?
01:05:13.680
Because those are the kinds of questions that I'm talking about.
01:05:18.340
These aren't even necessarily positions that the podcast holds.
01:05:23.940
These are asking you what you agree with or what you disagree with.
01:05:39.460
Husband should be willing to die protecting me.
01:05:44.140
I feel like that is a thing that is constantly talked about.
01:05:46.360
And it's the same thing where it's like, if women sleep around, blah, blah, blah.
01:05:49.380
And if men sleep around, you know, it's seen differently.
01:05:54.100
Well, there was a question on it that asked if men with high body count should date women
01:05:59.160
with low body counts or like prefer women with low body counts.
01:06:03.180
So, I think that kind of put the other side of it on the show.
01:06:21.120
Well, how about just so we have clarity with our terms, how would you define misogyny?
01:06:25.960
I think that it is a system that upholds men over women.
01:06:33.960
And I think that is beneficial for men primarily, but also still holds some negative consequences
01:06:38.900
for them, like when it comes to child care and stuff like that.
01:06:59.320
Oh, it'd be like prejudice or hatred towards women.
01:07:02.660
So, if you have prejudice or hatred towards women, that would be misogyny.
01:07:09.440
I think that's part of it, but I think that you don't necessarily need to hate women in
01:07:19.320
You can be misogynistic or prejudicial towards women without necessarily hating them.
01:07:26.460
So, and I guess this could sort of be your previous definition.
01:07:33.440
This would relate kind of to the patriarchy, which somewhat ties in with misogyny, but is
01:07:38.760
much more doctrine of, mainstream doctrine of feminism.
01:07:41.740
So, okay, with your definition of misogyny, I would then ask, what specifically do you
01:07:50.720
I don't know your specific beliefs, but I do...
01:07:54.140
I can generalize that you probably think that women should be more traditional, maybe not
01:08:05.260
Well, so, just because you mentioned body count, I think it's fair to bring up.
01:08:08.180
I do think promiscuity in both men and women is bad.
01:08:12.600
Although, even if it was my position that promiscuity...
01:08:15.700
Well, I mean, to be fair, I think promiscuity isn't quite as bad in men as it is in women.
01:08:27.840
So, one of the reasons I think it's different is just simply it boils down to a difference
01:08:33.900
So, because women carry the risk of potential pregnancy, if a woman ends up getting pregnant
01:08:39.860
through her promiscuity, that tends to have typically at least a bigger physical impact
01:08:47.160
Whereas, yes, a man, he accidentally gets a woman pregnant and she keeps the child.
01:08:52.040
That could have an impact on his life and he might have to pay child support.
01:08:56.100
Although, I would still argue the comparative impact is going to be a bit worse as it relates
01:09:06.660
Because, for example, women can die in childbirth.
01:09:12.660
So, then just, like, the pure biological reality of promiscuity in women, if, like, you can
01:09:18.220
eventually die from participating in a sex act through, like, you know.
01:09:32.260
And that risk is probably equally held between men and women, though.
01:09:38.700
But I would say that, yes, this is one of the reasons.
01:09:41.380
It's the responsibility of a man getting a woman pregnant and then she dies during childbirth.
01:09:48.580
But that doesn't really refute my position that as it relates to promiscuity, yes, women
01:09:53.980
do have certain risks when it comes to getting pregnant that men clearly don't.
01:09:59.580
And so, and there's a whole bunch of other reasons, too.
01:10:01.560
There's, like, some social components of why promiscuity may be.
01:10:10.580
So, for example, women don't typically punish male promiscuity quite as harshly as men punish
01:10:17.460
female promiscuity, just in their own dating interests.
01:10:28.080
So, do you think that, yeah, so you could agree it's not necessarily fair.
01:10:32.780
Does that make, I don't understand how that makes promiscuity worse.
01:10:37.580
Like, I guess it depends on how you're looking at it.
01:10:40.300
Like, from a moral standpoint, is it worse for women or more society?
01:10:43.480
Because I can agree, like, being a promiscuous woman is generally, you know, there are dangers
01:10:48.100
to being, you know, potentially pregnant and all these other things.
01:10:51.380
But I don't think that that has anything to do with the morality of it.
01:10:55.520
I wasn't necessarily even making a moral argument.
01:10:59.320
Then I'm a little confused what the argument is.
01:11:05.240
You were asking me, okay, well, we're getting down a bit of a rabbit hole, but essentially,
01:11:10.460
I was asking for evidence for how I or the show is misogynistic.
01:11:14.520
And you said, well, Brian, you have these views on body count.
01:11:18.020
And actually, look, again, generally speaking, I don't think men or women should be promiscuous.
01:11:24.400
But I also acknowledge the reality that when it comes to the differences there, I mean,
01:11:29.700
do you dispute my first claim about the pregnancy risk?
01:11:44.140
So if a woman is engaging in promiscuous sex, do you think that she's more likely to get
01:11:50.120
pregnant than a woman who's completely abstaining?
01:11:53.920
I think that there are very clear precautions like birth control.
01:12:02.100
But if you were a betting woman and there was a woman who's engaging in promiscuous sex
01:12:05.980
and a woman who wasn't, which one is more likely to get pregnant?
01:12:22.940
So, I mean, you were simply just asking, okay, well, why?
01:12:26.480
My claim was is that promiscuity in men and women is different.
01:12:31.680
So that's one scenario in which that would be the case.
01:12:40.200
Does that establish me as a misogynist because I believe in basic biology?
01:12:54.540
I think if I had actually researched and found evidence, I'm sure I could come up with a claim.
01:13:00.280
I can write you a paper later, but I did not prepare for this.
01:13:05.780
I said that it's, you know, vaguely misogynistic.
01:13:14.200
Well, you mentioned something about body count, but I don't think that that would establish that that's misogynistic.
01:13:21.200
I think that pushing gender stereotypes and gender norms and things like that, I think, you know, maybe not you specifically, but I think that there are certain guests and certain topics.
01:13:31.260
And I think that it's, you know, you have, I'm guessing, I would love to actually know the statistics on your audience.
01:13:39.260
I will get, we'll do the statistics and then we'll jump into some of your claims there because we're not done there.
01:13:47.040
I was just going to say that I thought you were misogynistic before coming onto your show last time, but then I asked if you believed in equal rights and you said yes, I believe.
01:13:56.840
From what I remember, I think I asked that and I think you said yes, but I know you, like, you do say, I just, like, I don't, I guess after,
01:14:09.260
going on your podcast one time I don't think you're misogynistic anymore because I, like, had that eight-hour conversation with you.
01:14:17.100
Well, so in order to be either misogynistic, in order to be misogynistic, if you don't believe in equal rights, does that inherently make you a misogynist?
01:14:33.640
I don't believe anyone should be drafted, but I think, you know.
01:14:36.020
Well, I mean, the draft isn't going to go away.
01:14:40.540
Nation states aren't going to relinquish their right to call upon.
01:14:48.000
Isn't drafts and national security and that kind of stuff politics?
01:14:52.940
Nations are not going to relinquish their ability to call upon its citizenry in the event of some sort of military conflict.
01:15:02.960
So we can say, you know what, there shouldn't be a draft, but the reality is there is a draft.
01:15:08.780
Given that there's a draft, should also women be subject to it in the same way men are?
01:15:16.500
Although, I do want to quickly before we, oh, Nick, get the PDF ready.
01:15:21.820
Really quick, though, before we dive into the PDF with my stats, you did circle here on the questionnaire, you circled that men should provide and protect, which is a traditional gender role that is placed on men.
01:15:36.380
Okay, so if it is the case that me upholding, believing in more traditional gender roles would be evidence of my misogyny.
01:15:46.720
Are you a misogynist or, I guess, a misandrist?
01:15:49.420
I think that I think everybody has, you know, biases built in.
01:15:53.300
I think that there are certain things that I try to keep an open mind.
01:15:59.720
I think chivalry, you know, just being kind, and I think in a relationship you should protect and provide for each other.
01:16:06.860
I think that the question only asks for men, but if you ask me the same thing about women, I think that I would agree.
01:16:11.640
So men and women should provide and protect for each other in completely equal ways, not asymmetrical ways?
01:16:20.800
Chivalry, though, is typically the term in and of itself, almost baked into it, sort of invokes men.
01:16:30.900
So are you saying women should also be chivalrous?
01:16:39.940
I mean, I haven't decided how I feel about that.
01:16:43.600
Well, I mean, we can test it out really quickly.
01:16:51.060
I think that if you take, like, just my interpretation is just being kind.
01:16:58.180
Well, no, I don't think it's just being kind because we have a word for that, and that's kind.
01:17:03.240
Chivalry actually points to something completely different.
01:17:06.620
And chivalry almost always falls, the burden of it would fall on the shoulders of men.
01:17:10.700
So when we think of chivalry, we think of observing the sidewalk rule where the man is closer to the road, where the cars are.
01:17:20.940
Perhaps there's a few other things that I could think of that aren't coming to mind.
01:17:25.300
These are typically one-directional treatments.
01:17:27.780
So this is a man doing something for the benefit of the woman or a man doing something for the woman.
01:17:33.000
Can you give me an example of a chivalrous thing that a woman does?
01:17:41.800
Well, can you think of any of the chivalrous things that men do?
01:17:45.460
Um, I mean, opening doors and holding the door open.
01:17:53.840
But you would agree, I think, that this is mostly something that men do?
01:18:08.040
But you would agree, perhaps you are perfectly 50-50 and you're perfectly egalitarian, you're perfectly equitable, perfect equality.
01:18:19.320
Even if that's the case for you, although I would doubt to some degree that that is in fact the case, you would agree that as it relates to chivalry, for the broader society, for most women, it's actually really not the case that women are being chivalrous.
01:18:37.180
And do you think we should, uh, dismantle that system?
01:18:47.120
Well, I mean, perhaps it should be fully equalized completely.
01:18:57.800
Um, you said that you think the rise of, uh, clickbait, well, I'll change it to ragebait.
01:19:03.940
Red pill content is detrimental to the young, mostly boy viewers who consume it.
01:19:11.600
Um, I doubt you have really any insight into my audience, but what do you think the actual, uh, age demographic breakdown is for the audience?
01:19:27.820
Because we're, when you say boys, I think of under the age of 18.
01:19:31.120
Uh, and the typical demographics, uh, there's different breakdowns, but it'll be 13 to 17, 18 to 24, 25 to 34th, uh, so on, so on.
01:19:43.140
What percent of my audience do you think is, uh, between 13 and 17?
01:19:53.960
Well, I'm not asking for, uh, precision, but if you were to just guess five, approximation, 5%, 10%, 20%.
01:20:00.840
Cause you said that, you know, a lot of my audience is young.
01:20:21.780
So the, the total between 13 and 24, you would put at, uh, 50, 54%.
01:20:32.560
But you, you feel con confident or comfortable in that range.
01:20:36.660
I'm not asking for specific, but in that range.
01:21:08.700
So really quick, just, just so you know, um, actually zoom it out really quick, Nick.
01:21:16.760
This is from our primary, our main YouTube channel.
01:21:22.520
There's no way for me to forge the whatever, uh, scrolled all the way to the bottom, Nick,
01:21:28.940
Uh, at the very bottom, it's kind of hard to read.
01:21:32.000
It says this media kit was created on December 1st, 2025.
01:21:36.880
This isn't like old data, uh, that I print, I produced this in the YouTube dashboard December
01:21:42.740
1st, two weeks ago, scroll back up and get the demographics and scroll in again.
01:21:46.680
So you said that the rise of red pill content is detrimental to the young, mostly boy viewers
01:21:53.880
who consume it 0.2% of our audience is between the ages of 13 to 17 age restricted.
01:22:03.780
Uh, isn't your podcast like heavily age restricted and, um, you were talking about some, very few
01:22:13.100
More, uh, greater proportion of our episodes are demonetized, but that wouldn't prevent a
01:22:25.560
0.2%, uh, 13 to 17, less than 5%, 4.9%, 18 to 24.
01:22:32.160
So my biggest demographic, a third of my audience is 35 to 44, 33.7%.
01:22:39.860
Uh, and then 80% of my audience is between the age of 25 to 54, 95% between the age of
01:22:51.060
So this, this, uh, fake news, this misinformation that, that, you know, the, the whatever podcast
01:22:57.240
is, uh, warping the minds of, of, uh, young, impressionable boys is it's bullshit.
01:23:11.760
And now I'm, I'd change, you know, I think that, right.
01:23:18.580
It wasn't a known, it was just, it was just, there, there is a bit of, uh, assumptions
01:23:27.560
I wasn't talking about your podcast as like the only example.
01:23:30.460
I think in general, the media, I mean, do you not agree like with the rise of like very
01:23:37.620
I don't know what their audience demographics are, but I think that with the rise of that,
01:23:41.240
especially on platforms that younger kids are on, like Snapchat and TikTok, I think that
01:23:49.740
Well, in terms of the proportion of young people who watch that sort of content, I wouldn't
01:23:54.800
Uh, I would be willing to grant that for Nick and for Andrew Tate, their audiences probably
01:24:06.380
Uh, but as far as, I mean, as far as Nick Fuentes go, he's Gen Z, he's 26, 27, I think.
01:24:12.920
So it would kind of make sense that he would appeal to people who are a bit younger.
01:24:25.860
You don't think Nick Fuentes is, I think he's pretty.
01:24:28.340
Well, I suppose we need to define another term then.
01:24:36.160
If you're forwarding a claim, it's not my duty to make your argument for you.
01:24:42.180
Well, I'm happy to provide my own definition, but you get to go first.
01:24:46.640
Um, I would say that red pill content is stuff where they're like waking up against, you
01:24:51.780
know, you know, cause it's compared to the matrix and I love that you guys have that
01:24:57.380
I think it's mostly this idea of like waking up against, you know, things becoming more
01:25:03.580
feminist and, you know, and, you know, putting women back in the kitchen and, you know, all
01:25:09.120
of that and anything anti-woke left, you know, anything against trans people, gay people, I
01:25:14.580
think just that general, like very hardcore right-wing mentality.
01:25:19.420
Which I think that Nick Fuentes and, um, the other guy would.
01:25:24.180
Well, I mean, sometimes when people use the term red pill, they're talking about their,
01:25:29.260
well, I mean, there's, I don't think there's like one centralized definition and, and like,
01:25:36.400
so there's like a dating red pill and then there's like a general red pill and then there's
01:25:43.760
a political red pill and then there's like red pills.
01:25:48.880
You can take the red pill on, uh, I'm trying to think.
01:25:54.340
You can take the, you can take the red pill on anything, I guess, technically, because
01:25:58.420
like you said, the red pill comes from the film, the matrix.
01:26:01.160
I think that the red pill really at its core, it's, it's simply a metaphor for choosing to
01:26:06.920
see the world as it is, as it actually is rather than what you were told it is.
01:26:14.100
You're sort of pulling away this fantasy of, you know, what Disney and, you know, this
01:26:20.040
sort of Disney-fied, uh, fantasy land bullshit, what the corporate media, corporate press academia
01:26:28.520
And then seeing the world as it actually is and sort of perhaps, uh, questioning, uh, popular societal narratives.
01:26:40.940
Is there like an ideology or doctrine as it relates to dating?
01:26:47.000
There's plenty that I'd probably disagree with there.
01:26:49.020
For example, I think a red pill idea is, um, well, I actually don't quite know, but, um, uh,
01:26:58.360
like some red pillars, uh, are very anti-relationship and they're just like, okay, well, uh,
01:27:04.680
Well, I don't know if that's necessarily incel, but they, they just will like jump from like
01:27:10.420
sexual encounter to sexual encounter without really much meaningful relationship pursuit.
01:27:22.000
Red pill is just sort of this nebulous term that I don't know if it just means like believing
01:27:27.280
in the truth, who could actually ever be against what?
01:27:32.340
There was this video and Nick, I don't know if you can find it.
01:27:34.840
There was this woman who worked for, I don't know if she worked for like Wikipedia or she worked
01:27:41.920
for PBS or something or, and she said that we need to live in a, wait, does anybody in
01:27:53.020
Like she said, we need to live in a, she worked for Wikipedia or like PBS or we not PBS.
01:27:59.060
And she was trying to say that, uh, she's giving a speech and she was saying that, you know,
01:28:08.800
we're, we're a little too focused on the truth.
01:28:14.940
And, uh, Nick, can you just find like, uh, NPR woman truth?
01:28:30.600
In any case, um, I do think that, uh, the truth can definitely get in the way of ideology.
01:28:39.380
So when it comes to feminist research for, or yeah, if you look at a lot of feminist research,
01:28:45.220
feminist research starts with a conclusion and it works backwards.
01:28:49.300
So it's like feminist research goes in thinking, okay, uh, a patriarchy does exist.
01:28:55.920
And so we're going to interpret everything through the lens of patriarchy.
01:29:04.100
Your feminism is about reaffirming the ideology and anything that they can find to the contrary
01:29:12.200
They're going to either like do shifting of the, they're going to like try to reanalyze
01:29:17.680
They're going to like, uh, there's specific terms for it in research where you like, I don't
01:29:26.040
And there's all kinds of stuff that you can do to ultimately get the answer you want.
01:29:32.480
And, you know, research that doesn't find the, the, you know, the soundbite that you're
01:29:37.560
Um, there's all kinds of like publish or perish, uh, you know, if you, and research that tends
01:29:44.800
to show that women are oppressed and victims, that's going to continue getting funding.
01:29:49.220
So they have massive incentives to continue making sure that they find, uh, that they
01:29:54.880
find evidence that they're pushing a certain standpoint gets more funding.
01:30:04.280
Can I ask you a question in the, uh, I don't know the exact timeframe of this, but I believe
01:30:08.380
in the forties, fifties and sixties, the, the tobacco industry did.
01:30:14.140
And I think they even found that smoking cigarettes was actually healthy for you.
01:30:19.740
So there was all these studies done and they were able to find that, you know, oh, uh,
01:30:28.260
Um, and they were sort of, uh, they were hiding the findings of, hmm, this actually causes like
01:30:38.320
So this is actually kind of almost exactly what's going on with feminism.
01:30:43.560
I disagree because the tobacco companies had a direct incentive, which is if they say
01:30:50.340
I don't think there's like a financial gain from saying, Hey, feminism exists.
01:30:55.640
And I'm not saying that there aren't people who are, you know, no, you disagree.
01:31:00.740
So first off, um, there is actually, there is, there is a financial gain, but there's
01:31:05.700
an ideological motivation, massive ideological motivation, but even on just the financial
01:31:11.400
component, um, these feminists, like, I believe that we've achieved equality.
01:31:17.180
I believe that there's parity between men and women.
01:31:23.320
There's a lot of things that in theory, yes, that, you know, equal rights, but there are
01:31:28.720
a lot of things, um, that still need a lot of catching up to do.
01:31:31.580
Like, um, I think it wasn't until the 1990s where, uh, pharmacological, uh, companies would
01:31:39.360
So things like any drug you take was only done on men.
01:31:44.060
And so the side effects, the dosage, things like that were only tested on men in the 1990s.
01:31:48.420
And yes, you can say, Oh, that was, you know, forever go and things are changing and,
01:31:53.500
But I think the very, very recently, the FDA just, um, released their first female, uh,
01:32:05.180
So I think things still need to catch up in that regard.
01:32:13.280
Um, I think I've seen these, uh, I've, I've heard about the crash test thing.
01:32:19.900
I don't really find this like particularly, uh, compelling, I guess.
01:32:25.180
So women who are less likely to get into car accidents, but are more likely to die from
01:32:30.160
them, isn't kind of shitty for women because they're not testing.
01:32:36.400
That's a bad thing regardless of your gender, but I, I'm not sure if, so essentially it's
01:32:42.320
just like these crash test dummies, uh, there wasn't.
01:32:45.900
It wasn't built the same proportions on the crash test.
01:32:52.280
I mean, it's not clear to me if that, like, I don't understand.
01:33:05.640
Like there also, let's, let's also assume that there are women who, uh, are small chested
01:33:14.560
Well, you can ask the people who made the dummies.
01:33:16.700
How else do you make a seat belt to accommodate for women's breasts?
01:33:21.460
I'm not a car expert, but I'm sure if you look at why that actually matters, that's,
01:33:27.320
Well, I'm not actually, it's not even clear to me why, uh, you would need a crash test
01:33:32.680
I think for the way that they build the cars and the way that they are able to actually
01:33:36.400
see for whatever numbers, you know, I'm sure there's a reason that's, you know, but
01:33:41.120
also I think there's things like for ADHD and autism, the, all of the symptoms, they
01:33:47.240
And so the diagnoses for men are much easier to do.
01:33:50.880
They're done, you know, my brother was diagnosed at eight years old and I wasn't diagnosed with
01:34:02.420
But again, we can point to all kinds of differences and sure there are, there are still perhaps
01:34:07.440
sort of, uh, you know, these small ways in which, uh, women might be, uh, prejudiced
01:34:17.200
But, uh, do you think we genuinely need, uh, like feminism is, that's ideology, right?
01:34:23.960
Do you think we need feminist studies in order to affect these changes in society to, for
01:34:34.240
I would consider myself a feminist because I believe in the equal, I mean, if you look
01:34:37.940
at, I think the definition for feminism is believing in equality among sexes.
01:34:45.640
I think that there's different interpretations.
01:34:47.240
I think there's modern day feminism where people are like, you know, more, uh, misandrist.
01:34:57.600
I think misandry and feminism are very different.
01:35:00.520
And I think feminism is the advocacy for equal rights and like believing in equal rights.
01:35:05.800
And misandry is, you know, believing one is better than the other.
01:35:19.400
Whatever specifically opens the dialogue to counter misandry and the current female toxicity.
01:35:29.460
We're going to just dive right back in, but we have John GQ here.
01:35:35.640
Ask Willow what she thinks about Kinsey's research methodology.
01:35:39.200
Nick, if you can just pull up the Wikipedia for that.
01:35:41.180
I don't even know if there's a Wikipedia for that, but, um, I don't know if you can just,
01:35:45.620
uh, table 34 for Kinsey and I, Kinsey's Table 34, if you want to get that going and we'll pull
01:35:56.060
But, um, well, I mean, look, as far as the definition of feminism, my charitable definition
01:36:10.740
Feminism has completely failed at any point, at any time to ever really care about equality.
01:36:17.420
Uh, to be clear, there's nothing wrong with, uh, women's advocacy.
01:36:25.960
If women want to advocate for women, there's nothing wrong with that.
01:36:39.540
Well, that, that, I mean, that is, I'm not saying you specifically, but feminists, no,
01:36:43.860
what I'm saying is, is that feminists do parade around and want to, uh, you know, have, think
01:36:49.760
they have this, some sort of moral high ground by touting that it's this movement, this ideology
01:36:55.340
is about equality when it just demonstrably isn't.
01:36:58.660
It's demonstrably about women's advocacy, but to claim that feminism is about equality,
01:37:06.960
You said at any time, at any point in history, feminism is not about equality.
01:37:13.160
So feminism in its totality has never been about true, pure equality.
01:37:18.040
Now it has achieved equality, but it's not about equality.
01:37:22.640
So what I mean by that is, yes, of course, there are some instances where it has fought
01:37:27.020
for, uh, perhaps men had some sort of benefit or privilege or right that women didn't, right?
01:37:34.780
However, as you bring up the voting rights or whatever, uh, so do you, do you know when
01:37:48.840
There's different types of feminism as well, like intersectional feminism as well.
01:37:56.180
It's all bullshit and it's all, it's never been about equality at any point.
01:38:05.140
Women have had the right to vote for 105 years.
01:38:08.840
In order for men to have secured the right to vote, there was something attached to
01:38:15.980
Women were able to secure the right to vote without any duty, without any responsibility.
01:38:23.400
A lot of like, what duties are you talking about?
01:38:27.400
Women didn't have the ability to work for a long time.
01:38:31.180
Why don't you just tell me what you're talking about?
01:38:45.420
I'm happy to have a conversation about who set the system up.
01:38:47.980
But first, we need to stay focused on the fact that women have the right to vote.
01:38:53.920
And they have no duty or responsibility to this country.
01:39:09.400
If you want to go your whole life and never have children, will the government force you
01:39:15.160
No, but they will, you know, society, I mean, government, no.
01:39:27.640
There was a bit of a social stigma like 50 years ago.
01:39:30.500
Although women have been spinsters for a very long time.
01:39:33.540
And there's really very little, like if you live, yeah, if you live in pretty much anywhere,
01:39:39.100
especially in like an urban setting, no, you're not going to be shamed if you don't
01:39:43.580
There's not going to be like massive social stigma.
01:39:47.220
You're not going to be barred from like society writ large.
01:39:51.480
So again, I'm asking what duty do women have to society or to the nation?
01:40:08.500
So men do have a duty and that duty would be forced military conscription.
01:40:13.220
And so women have secured the right to vote for 105 years without any corresponding duty.
01:40:22.360
And in order for men to be able to vote, they have to be subject to the draft towards forced
01:40:34.300
So when we're talking about equality, though, if it is, look, I guess to break down my definition
01:40:49.060
Feminism, women's advocacy, nothing wrong with women's advocacy.
01:40:54.920
And the reason I don't believe it, if feminism was truly about equality, if there was a form
01:41:01.540
of equality that somehow came to the detriment of women, feminists will not fight for it.
01:41:11.840
But I'm a feminist who agrees that women should be drafted.
01:41:14.760
Do you think, is there, is there a massive movement?
01:41:17.420
Are there women protesting in the streets with pussy hats or military helmets?
01:41:32.540
First off, it wouldn't be, it's not politically tenable.
01:41:36.560
Trust me, any politician on the liberal side or the conservative, especially the conservative
01:41:41.540
side, you're not going to win an election if you think women should have to be drafted.
01:41:56.140
I guess, let me start off by saying, you know, I'm a feminist and I have my own personal
01:42:06.280
But kind of, you know, in regards to what you were saying about women and war, if women
01:42:20.700
If women have to go to war, then it's like, what are the ideologies that fuel war or like
01:42:30.440
And the real question is, what are you protecting?
01:42:34.380
Because in my mind, men go to war and forgive me if this sounds like a brutalist take, but
01:42:42.320
men go to war and fight to protect women and children.
01:42:55.280
How can you possibly reconcile the, those are two completely conflicting statements.
01:43:02.820
So if men have a higher burden, a higher duty, a responsibility to protect women and children,
01:43:09.760
that places men, men have a, a duty and that places women in a privileged role in society.
01:43:19.300
Feminism has just collapsed under your own statement.
01:43:24.540
So I will be the first person to say that, that feminism does not create a safe space
01:43:35.500
Modern feminism in its current iteration does not create a safe space for men.
01:43:45.700
Well, leftism doesn't create a safe space for men either, but-
01:43:50.220
But I feel like as a feminist, it should be our number one gripe and our number one thing
01:43:55.520
that we criticize within ourselves is that, you know, we should be, if we're fighting
01:44:00.460
for equality and we're fighting for the egalitarianism of all, especially with like
01:44:04.880
intersectional feminism, like you said, you know, there should be a space that men can
01:44:12.460
be a part of the feminist movement without feeling like their manhood or their masculinity
01:44:20.220
And I think that the first step is by taking things like the conversation that you're having
01:44:25.760
about war and about men going to war or women being drafted.
01:44:32.180
Oh, you know, if we want the right to vote, oh, we have to go to war.
01:44:43.080
So I just want to ask why you think it's so important that women should be able to be
01:44:48.340
It's not like I think it's super important, but I think that, you know, if we are half
01:44:52.340
of the country, I'm not, again, I don't think that people should be drafted.
01:45:01.900
Um, I think that women have a lot to offer and I think that I don't see a reason why
01:45:09.740
So do you think if women were drafted into war, we would do as well in war?
01:45:14.820
Like, if women had to be in war, would we win our wars as easily as if, like, it's majority
01:45:21.940
I think that, well, it's not to say that we're removing men from the battlefield.
01:45:32.520
But my question was, you know, if we're going to get women to go to war, then like, and
01:45:39.440
men or women are all fighting wars together, then who does that help?
01:45:47.380
What about the women fighting for our country right now to say they shouldn't get drafted
01:45:54.700
Because they've worked so hard to, yeah, and people who have, like, I don't know the exact
01:46:02.300
wording of it, but who, like, finish their term in the military, yeah, veterans, I feel
01:46:09.620
like they should be honored, yeah, because women take time to join the military and to say
01:46:19.060
that they shouldn't be drafted would be, like, really disrespectful to all their hard work.
01:46:27.400
My position is society has deemed that we ought to have equality, that we need, that men and
01:46:43.180
Well, I mean, I guess I'm sort of, you're fine with women being drafted.
01:46:50.060
I don't know if you're against, yes, they should be drafted.
01:46:54.180
I mean, again, though, you say you're a feminist, you believe in equality.
01:46:56.900
I just don't know how you reconcile, the split's wrong, I don't know how you reconcile
01:47:03.680
believing in equality, but also believing that women shouldn't be subject to military conscription.
01:47:08.400
So, as far as, like, my stance on feminism, I think that, you know, what I was talking about
01:47:16.940
was, like, having an ideal or having an ideological standpoint that you are working towards or
01:47:28.240
trying to achieve, and then, you know, the logical ramifications of, like, trying to get
01:47:34.820
So, we're, you know, I don't think that men and women are equal.
01:47:41.160
I think that men and women bring completely different things to the table, and that it's
01:47:46.760
I think as a feminist, you know, even as just, like, a person, you know, like...
01:47:53.300
But feminism, the core tenet of feminism is equality between the sexes.
01:48:04.540
You're talking about red pill and, like, seeing things for what they actually are?
01:48:11.680
When I'm saying that if society has agreed with feminism, if society has agreed that men
01:48:18.720
and women are to be treated equally, then the clear extension of that needs to be applied,
01:48:25.020
right, regardless of how much we protest and dislike it, women need to be drafted, point
01:48:30.980
And you think that women should be drafted if they have the right to vote?
01:48:38.600
And do you think that that's wrong for women to be drafted?
01:48:47.700
Look, I do think it's the case that when it comes to soldiers, female soldiers are not as
01:48:54.680
So, are you agreeing with her that women should be drafted, that that's the most egalitarian
01:49:01.800
I mean, obviously, there are some men who are more capable than other men, and we kind
01:49:08.000
So, in this case, yes, women are not as physically strong as men, but you want equality, there
01:49:17.000
But my greater point here is going back to this idea of, okay, men in society have duties
01:49:25.660
So, again, I'm asking you, what duties do women have to society?
01:49:28.640
The same as any other person, you know, contributing to society.
01:49:35.460
I think generally, they're different, probably.
01:49:39.700
Okay, so what are the different duties that women have in society?
01:49:54.420
What are the duties that men have other than being drafted?
01:49:57.600
I mean, that's pretty much the only one I'm going towards.
01:50:02.380
Okay, so being drafted is your only example of, like, being...
01:50:07.800
We're not just going to hand wave away the fact that, yes, this is a massive duty.
01:50:14.300
But, like, after we agreed, because I agree women should be drafted the same as men.
01:50:19.800
I think nobody should be drafted, but I think, you know, whatever.
01:50:25.480
Right, but so now that we're agreeing that you agree, then an equality that does exist
01:50:36.520
Women have a extra benefit, I guess you could say, and men have a detriment.
01:50:49.780
It's the selective service system, but being potentially subject to it is really the main thing.
01:50:54.260
So, if it is the case that in order to vote, women don't have to do a requirement, and men...
01:51:08.840
Yeah, you can't get drafted if you're disabled.
01:51:10.560
So, do you think they should be able to vote if you have autism?
01:51:22.140
There's a certain level of combat readiness, but my position would be, given that we allow
01:51:29.280
women to volunteer for the military, the United States government has made a determination
01:51:34.480
that women, at some level, are capable of being soldiers.
01:51:38.380
However, they've also made a determination that people who are disabled, to some degree,
01:51:44.420
it depends on the disability, regardless of their gender, are barred from military...
01:51:50.520
So, yes, under a draft, if you're disabled, you would be barred, regardless of your gender.
01:51:55.480
I don't really think that that's any sort of rebuttal, to my point.
01:52:03.420
Yeah, you're saying, should they not be allowed to vote?
01:52:06.340
So, but then you're saying, if I'm a disabled person, and I have...
01:52:17.960
Because being a woman isn't an intrinsic bar from military service.
01:52:22.220
No, it's just another example of people who would not be drafted.
01:52:29.100
If I'm disabled as a man, and I'm not able to be drafted, I then don't have that duty,
01:52:37.100
Technically, a man who is disabled would be subject to draft, but he wouldn't be...
01:52:49.120
He wouldn't probably even be allowed into the military.
01:52:51.840
But just by virtue of him being a man, he is still...
01:52:55.800
He still has to register with the Selective Service.
01:52:58.900
Now, if he was called upon, and he didn't meet the threshold for actually being eligible
01:53:03.880
to become a soldier, then under that circumstance, no.
01:53:09.680
I'm saying no, he wouldn't end up having to do military service because of his disability.
01:53:14.700
And because he would not be drafted, does he have the right to vote?
01:53:26.320
You're saying that women need to be able to be drafted in order to have the right to
01:53:40.340
Women have secured the right to vote without the corresponding duty.
01:53:46.580
I didn't prescriptively say we should take away women's right to vote.
01:53:56.740
But I actually don't think that there would be anything wrong with that.
01:53:59.860
So, you think that women should not be able to vote?
01:54:03.060
No, my position is we should equalize the draft.
01:54:19.140
It's a complete false equivalence to compare people who are disabled.
01:54:25.780
Which some people, misogynists like you, might say.
01:54:29.420
Well, I mean, that's really misogynistic for you to compare women to just...
01:54:33.020
I'm going against your argument, which is that women don't have the duty.
01:54:38.580
Because, yes, so that's your argument, that women don't have the duty.
01:54:41.580
And therefore, you know, they have the right to vote without their duty.
01:54:45.040
People who have, you know, even attempted suicide or barred from...
01:54:49.480
That's just an example, you know, under the disability or anybody who's not eligible to
01:54:53.220
be drafted, they still have the right to vote without having that duty.
01:54:57.300
So, I don't understand how those two things can exist in your argument.
01:55:06.580
Not being drafted, but in having the right to vote.
01:55:13.780
And then people who are also, you know, men who are disabled and who are not able to be
01:55:20.440
drafted also don't have that right, but are also still able to vote.
01:55:27.660
It's anybody who's not being able to be drafted thing.
01:55:32.200
If they're one duty, which, you know, I understand that perspective.
01:55:36.580
If the one duty is being drafted, it determines your stance on, you know, whether they should
01:55:48.060
I mean, again, it's a complete false equivalence.
01:55:52.240
They're not equal, but they are two examples that are different.
01:56:04.080
So, then prescriptively, what would you say you think?
01:56:06.620
Do you think disabled people shouldn't be able to vote?
01:56:09.260
I think that if you work hard in a country, if you pay your taxes, if you're a good citizen,
01:56:13.380
if you do all the things that you're supposed to do, then you should have the right to vote.
01:56:16.100
You should be able to determine how the country goes if you are participating in it.
01:56:21.020
The only issue here is that to be of the essence to be subject to.
01:56:27.820
So, men, just men of their essence, are subject to military conscription.
01:56:33.680
Now, there are certain limitations, though, as to who within that criteria would be subject.
01:56:39.080
For example, men who are in their 60s, they're men, but they're not going to be subject.
01:56:43.880
And I'm not making some sort of statement here that, well, only men who are, you know, only these men who are of a certain age, only they have a duty.
01:56:54.700
It was you had a duty at one point, in this case for men who are in their 50s, 60s, and 70s, right?
01:57:08.440
But the law as it currently exists, the law as it currently exists, if you read the law as it relates to drafting, it only includes, there's a differentiation between men and women.
01:57:19.980
And I don't know, maybe there's language in there as it relates to able-bodied.
01:57:25.300
Yeah, so if women shouldn't vote because they don't have that duty to the country, then does that mean they also shouldn't be able to run for office?
01:57:41.500
That's what I got, that since women, you know, don't have that duty.
01:57:47.620
I thought this was a dating podcast, not politics, man.
01:57:50.000
Yeah, well, we're investigating your criticism of the podcast, and we're talking about feminism, and feminism is very much tied into dating.
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If you want to contemplate that on your own time, you're welcome to.
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I think it's important we stick to the primary subject here, and the primary subject is essentially that, look, we can talk about all these other hypotheticals and scenarios or whatever.
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However, I would like to maybe look at the language of selective service system.
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I assume it- I believe the language applies to able-bodied men.
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And if you look at the actual language, though, it completely precludes women from being subject to military conscription, right?
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You can do a red herring to try to distract from the point, but, like, let's actually narrow in back to the original conversation, which was a criticism of feminism.
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And the criticism of feminism was essentially, hey, women have had 105 years to advocate for equality, and they haven't.
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Because they want the right to vote, they want to do the things that men are allowed to do, and that they've been historically barred from.
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But so what we were specifically talking about was, as it relates to voting rights, men have an extra duty to society that women don't.
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And so when we're talking about feminism as an equality movement, my position is, and I'll restate it again, is that if feminism, essentially feminism, if there's a version of equality that doesn't stand to benefit women and comes at the detriment of women, feminists won't fight for it.
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And this would be clear evidence that feminists aren't actually interested in a true and pure equality.
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They're strictly about women's advocacy, which, again, I don't have an issue with women's advocacy, but don't paint it incorrectly and erroneously as an equality movement when it clearly isn't.
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I can give you other examples of ways in which feminists will fight against equality.
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In Florida, I think it was, I could be wrong with the specific name of the organization, I believe it was the National Organization for Women Now, which I think is the preeminent, number one women's organization in the United States.
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I believe an approximation of what I'm about to say is correct.
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Florida was trying to, basically, in the event of a custody dispute between parents.
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In the law, the woman was the default custodian of children, and there's been a massive push in legislatures to equalize that.
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Both mothers and fathers play a critical role in early child development and throughout the whole course of their life, really.
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And feminists were actually, because it conceivably was to the detriment, because women want the full custody.
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They fought against giving fathers equal rights to their children.
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I guess we need more male feminists who can push.
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Well, feminism, baked into the word itself, it's sort of emblematic of an inequality.
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There's another term that would be more appropriate.
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Feminism views things through an anti-male lens and really typically only cares about advocation for women.
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So there's really not much advocation for men in much of feminist...
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But actually, I'm not clear on the historical context.
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My position is, even historically, men have been more disadvantaged than women.
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But I would even argue, if you want to strawman my position like that, I would argue that warfare and forced military conscription is a bigger grievance than all of women's collective grievances combined.
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Like, in terms of the suffering that's uniquely and nearly exclusively inflicted upon men...
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So I'm happy to have you answer, but let me at least finish first.
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Can you point to a grievance, can you point to a suffering worse than war?
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I think women do, I think one of the questions was, you know, women do suffer from war.
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I think rape and attacks and fucking murder, you know?
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Have you seen, like, the stuff that's going on, you know, fucking all over the world?
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So there's no dispute that bad things do happen to women during wartime.
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It is a debate, but that doesn't give you license to strawman my positions.
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I think you were saying something about men being primarily affected by war.
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I think that I don't know enough about the stats, but I could assume so because of the draft.
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Even if there's not a draft, men would still be the primary victims of war.
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But you can't actually make a determination right here and right now that either current
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day or even historically that men are and were the primary victims of war and will be?
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By victims, I'm guessing you mean by death and injury and things like that.
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Men are the primary victims of war in totality.
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So just to be clear, so World War I, World War II, these are the most historically researched
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This is one of the primary mechanisms and ways in which men suffer and men have, well, really
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And also, I think that, you know, if you take into account the shit that happens to, like,
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Um, like, the kinds of shit that soldiers will do to, like, native civilians, to female people, like, rape, as, you know, and they're like, well, you know, we're soldiers, we can.
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And I also don't think that that's an important part of the conversation.
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Well, there's no doubt that everyone suffers when there's a war.
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However, do you, can people suffer in gendered ways?
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Okay, so, like, for example, would you say women are the primary sufferers of rape?
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Okay, why can't you make a sort of granting that war, where it's almost always men, that's a uniquely gendered way in which men suffer?
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You're not going to make me say absolutely yes.
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I'm saying probably, because I keep an open mind.
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There is no dispute that men are the primary sufferers of war.
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I agree with you that men are the primary sufferers of war.
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Because I don't do research on this in my spare time.
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This is, this is, this is, I mean, I don't know if it's just ignorance, but if I were to say something like, you know, when it comes to pregnancy and giving birth, you know, women probably are the primary sufferers there.
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You know, when you're sitting there in the hospital and with your wife and she squeezes your hand, your, your pregnant wife squeezes your hand really hard when she's pushing out a baby out of her vagina.
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I can't definitively say women are the primary sufferers of, you know, going through a pregnancy.
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I'm probably, it's the women, but I can't definitively say it.
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I mean, but how I kind of think about it too is what about the men who lose their wives or children during childbirth?
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Cause it's like, that's fucked, you know, but I think women still primarily.
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I said, I think women primarily suffer during childbirth.
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Even in your situation where the woman dies in childbirth and yes, that's going to be terrible to the, the, the parents and the husband.
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And if she has other kids, that's awful for them, but I'm never going to say they're the primary.
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They are secondary victims to her being the primary victim.
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So in this case, yes, the question in here is about, uh, yes, men are the primary victims of war.
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Well, it bothers me because it is so crystal clear that it's not just, you know, uh, head scratch.
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This is a, World War II especially is the most researched and documented incident to have ever occurred.
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So if it is the case that throughout all of human history, but in World War II, I guess
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we'll use that one as an example, uh, it was near, I think there was like a few thousand Russian female snipers or some bullshit, uh, millions and millions of men soldiers.
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Even including civilians, a much higher proportion of men died.
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And it's, and that's why I say probably because it's a higher, it's not just probably it's factually true.
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Well, it's just interesting that you can't even grant this one really clear cut dimension in which yes, men are uniquely.
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And there's a gendered component to the male suffering as it relates to war.
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You know, it's probably, uh, probably, uh, you know, when it comes to pregnancy, probably women suffer more, but I don't know enough.
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I mean, I'm trying to understand who's trolling.
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Um, cause it sounds like you're trolling right now.
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No, I just think she's, uh, being a little bit bad faith about it, but, uh.
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No, but honestly, I, I equally agree with both of you.
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Um, I just think we're beating around the bush a little bit.
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I think that in certain segments, uh, women are definitely in terrible situations, and
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with war and everything, it's, I would say, I mean, fairly obvious that more men are at
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But, so, I guess, again, I'll pose it to you, uh, do you think women are the primary victims
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I guess my criticism then continues a little bit.
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Um, if you don't have a sort of base understanding of, cause if, as a feminist, you're doing an
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analysis, I guess the easiest way for me to break down, break it down would be, this is
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Um, that's like, if you had to boil it down very simplicit, simplicitly, simplicitly?
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Do you disagree with that, though, on, like, a global scale?
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Do you think that women have it worse than men?
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I think men and women have unique issues that they face.
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Although, again, like, I, it's my position that, okay, just focus, focus.
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It would be my position that, yes, I do think, historically and even modern day, that, yeah,
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But it's interesting, as a man, if you say that, uh, you're basically just echoing what
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And so, it's funny that feminists would, like, be really offended if men were to do a dismissal
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of their framework of looking, of how they look at society.
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Essentially, how feminists look at society is, uh, men oppressor, women oppressed.
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And so, it's interesting that there's this sort of, I guess, essentially, when you, when
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feminists start talking about, and you open up the door to doing an analysis of, hold on,
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You can't actually be surprised when the sort of other group is like, well, hold on, you're
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saying all this stuff, but have you actually done a, uh, like, analysis of the ways in which
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And really, feminists kind of completely ignore it.
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So, and if you do ignore it, and the fact that, I mean, if it is, if warfare has been
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one of the primary mechanisms and ways in which men have suffered throughout history,
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uh, and have suffered horrifically, I mean, the fact that you don't really know about war,
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I would encourage you to, like, even just, you can even watch, like, fictional depictions
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You can go watch, like, All Quiet on the Western Front.
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I don't think women truly have an appreciation for the brutality and suffering that, like,
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I don't know if, like, you view war in this sort of glory, glory sort of way, but I don't
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think women have a full grasp and understanding of, like, the, the actual, uh, physical and mental
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And so, I think if your analysis of, you're going to boil down, uh, well, women have it
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so bad, it's like, well, I don't know if in the 1910s, I don't know if between the years
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of 1914 and 1918, when women didn't have the right to vote just a few years before they did
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get the right, I don't know if 18, 19, and 20-year-old women would have wanted to trade
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I don't know if they would have wanted to trade the supposed privileges and lack of privileges.
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If we were sending women to, um, if we were sending women to the Ardennes and the Argonne
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and Amien and, uh, Bella Wood and all these, you don't even know what I'm talking about
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Perhaps you should do a bit of research on World War I.
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Because of my answers, I'm not the only feminist.
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Well, it's, if, if, if you don't even have a base level understanding of warfare, and
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you're going to tell me, historically, women had it worse than men.
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Do you know about all the myriad, the massive amounts of ways that men have uniquely and
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How can you possibly ever do a reasonable and good faith comparison about the ways in which
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The reality is, is that, look, women definitely had it worse in some ways.
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But women have completely turned a blind eye and ignored all the ways that modern day and
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historically men have had it bad and men could have conceivably had it worse.
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I think that, you know, that is something that'd be taken into the conversation.
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I think I would consider myself more of an egalitarianism, whatever.
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Yeah, but I would say more so as, because my interpretation of feminism has been equality.
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But I, okay, so I don't know how else to put it.
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But I guess the real, the, the simplest way I could break this down is, um, would you
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agree that women have had voting rights for over a hundred years?
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Would you, do you agree with me that in order for men to be able to vote in this country,
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they had to be subject to military conscription?
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And they have, in fact, even after the, uh, women's suffrage, they have been drafted in
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numerous, uh, devastating military conflicts, uh, world war, world war two, Vietnam, the
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There, there are men who would be alive today had they not been drafted.
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There are men who are alive today who were drafted, who have severe PTSD.
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Well, I'm not going to get, go there, but, um, and there are men who have injuries.
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They have severe, severe, either, uh, physical or mental scars, uh, figuratively speaking.
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Can you explain then how it could possibly be that feminism is an equality movement, but
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they never was a push to be subject to the draft?
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I think there's probably some, I think probably smaller percentage, but you know.
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Well, do you acknowledge that this inequality exists on a systemic level?
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So men have a systemic disadvantage and women have a systemic privilege.
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So that would mean that there isn't an equality under law.
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And I think there's also tons of other examples where women have it better and men have it
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I think there's tons of examples and I think that, you know, I'm open to those examples.
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But so given, I mean, there's, there's, I guess you could point to like certain societal inequalities
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that aren't necessarily, Hey, there's a law that, you know, is clearly discriminatory,
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You couldn't point to a law where it's like, Whoa, women are being like uniquely discriminated
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I mean, really the only one, which I feel like it's not even worth saying is that in certain
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jurisdictions, men can go shirtless and like women can't, I guess.
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I don't really know if like, this is like a big raw, raw fight for feminists.
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By the way, in some areas, women can go, you know, without titties out, yeah, for the
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It's not even clear to me if like women even really care.
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You want to, I don't even think women are really whatever it's who cares, but that's
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I think there's probably more examples that are like medical autonomy.
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Like hysterectomies, you have to, you know, there's so many steps that women have to talk
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to you, like bringing their, their partner, their usually male partner.
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Now you might say, well, hysterectomies, there's maybe more steps to getting it than the
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vasectomy, but that would, of course, conveniently ignore the fact that a hysterectomy is a far
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more invasive procedure than a vasectomy, which you can pretty much go in, snip, snip.
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I believe with a hysterectomy, there's anesthesia.
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I'm not a surgeon, but it's much more invasive in any case.
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But again, can you point to like an actual way in which legally speaking, women are
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But I can point to a couple ways in which men are legally disadvantaged.
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Is that still really a thing like the draft law or the drafting?
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I just like women are in the military right now.
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So yeah, volunteer, but women are not subject to military conscription.
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I'll just say, I mean, really quickly, maybe we won't do the video, but yeah, yeah.
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Nick, if you want to get that for me, I'll get that going.
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But like, if you look at Ukraine, for example, that's like a current conflict going on right now.
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In Ukraine, at the onset of the war, all the women were allowed to leave the country.
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All the men between, well, pretty much, I think 18 to 65, they had to remain in the country.
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Because women are expected usually to give birth.
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Well, why were the men, why were the men required to stay?
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No, but why would they, let's say there was a, you know, you lived on the border or something,
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near the border of a neighboring country with Ukraine or whatever.
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Well, you're in Ukraine and there's a bordering nation.
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So why do you think the Ukrainian government didn't want the men specifically leaving?
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And so in Ukraine, you have something really fascinating happening.
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So, you know, we can talk about, oh, you know, wage gap and, you know, you'll cite to
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some sort of fairly benign disadvantage women have in society.
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The Ukrainian women, they would go to Stockholm.
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We actually had a girl who was Ukrainian who fled, I believe, and she was in Miami living
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You had Ukrainian women all over Europe going to clubs, partying, fucking men in these other
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Meanwhile, the men in Ukraine, many of them had to stay.
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There's a video I posted on my ex where it showed Ukrainian women partying and drinking
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And on the right side, on the right side, it showed literal drone attacks.
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So basically, you know, have you seen drone footage?
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Well, you know, drones, those things with the cameras and it's like aerial.
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So you can basically, in essence, just to make boil it down super easily, these drones are
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You strap a bit of an explosive onto a drone and you fly the drone into somebody and they're
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They're completely like, you know, they're, they're killed.
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So, um, these drones, they're like flying into soldiers and then, you know, they have camera
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Uh, and obviously, you know, the drone explodes.
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So the camera feed cuts off, but I'm sure you can imagine what ends up happening, uh,
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Like it's, and it's always the, you don't see women getting droned.
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It sounds like you have a gripe with Ukraine for doing that then.
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Well, I believe it's both like Russia and Ukraine doing it.
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But my point is, is that if we're having conversations of men are advantaged, men are privileged,
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women disadvantaged, women lacking in privilege.
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I don't, yeah, but I don't know if, uh, at least, you know, look, uh, that's a, you might
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say, well, Brian, that's geographically isolated incident.
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Although of course we could look at like what's going on in the, or has been going on in the
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I'm going to wait for the champagne in just a sec.
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Would you say in Ukraine that the Ukrainian men for the past three, four years or whatever,
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uh, I'm just throwing the numbers out at whatever, however long the conflict's been
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going on, would you say generally speaking in Ukraine, the men or, or the women have
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been, uh, more advantaged or disadvantaged or privileged or not?
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So you would agree that being able to slut yourself out in Miami nightclubs is probably,
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uh, not that I agree with that, but probably a better life outcome than being like in below
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freezing temperatures in some trench and bum fuck Ukraine and getting fucking, I don't
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know, uh, drone, droned or, um, I don't know, killed by Russians.
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I feel like we're having the same conversation over and over again.
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I got, I'm going to move it on to other topics, but, um, uh, do we have cups?
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Uh, here, can you pull up the super chats and I'm going to have somebody read them?
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No, I'm going to have, I'm going to have you read them.
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It's amazing to see chair one, be proud of her ignorance.
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Women like this are more and more prevalent in society.
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They have more education than men and sit in public spaces and spew nonsense.
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Now, I may or may not be stupid here, but I was under the impression that this was a
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dating podcast, and I failed to see how this pertains to dating.
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Uh, well, I guess it pertains to dating in the sense that, um, Ukrainian women got to
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fuck a bunch of dudes in Miami, and Ukrainian, that's dating, right?
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I think that's the first thing that they went to.
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They were like, let me flee the country and fuck a bunch of dudes.
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I mean, yeah, they get to just continue their party girl lifestyle while their countrymen
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But Sky of Winter, thank you for your, uh, very generous super chat.
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Uh, Pastie, thank you for the gifted 10 whatever memberships.
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Uh, Keebler Elf, I don't know if you're still watching.
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That's probably why I don't really like a drum star too.
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So, uh, I have more notes for you, but I'll come back to those later because I already
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Let's do some fun reacts so we can get the whole panel involved.
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Um, let's do the, the first, show me the first one.
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What do you think is the male equivalent of giving flowers to women?
02:30:00.880
So like as a, or a female equivalent, they probably would want to say like, what would
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we do to a man, to a man that would be equivalent to giving flowers?
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So the question is, what is the male equivalent of giving flowers?
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So I guess what, what would be the, or is it the female?
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Would it be the female equivalent or the, what would be the female equivalent of giving
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What would be the equivalent thing that women do?
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So just, you give your answer, then we go around.
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And I think that the more real answer is probably like putting on cute lingerie and, you know,
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Probably the cute answer of like, here, you can have my little scrunchie as like a little
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It's like a cute little, you know, it's like giving someone a hoodie.
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A used, a used thing with your, that's in your hair.
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And that's the thing is men don't really want that.
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As a man, like, I don't know what you would want.
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Lingerie and putting on a cute lingerie outfit.
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Putting on the lingerie and then, you know, a sexy date night or whatever.
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Can I ask, I want to ask the chat about the lingerie.
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If you've already slept with a girl dozens of times.
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I mean, flowers aren't exactly like the craziest thing either.
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What would you want as a man instead of flowers?
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Well, I'm going to let the rest of the panels answer.
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And I've done this and I've never given a man a scrunchie or lingerie as a gift in return
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Like, I took time to make banana bread and I thought of you and I gave it to you.
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Men do want that, but I don't know if that would...
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But if I pull up and I give a man a bouquet of flowers, he's going to feel disrespected.
02:33:29.860
Well, it's not necessarily the same thing, but what would be an equivalent?
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Wait, can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table and just leave it there?
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I've given my exes, like, succulents or, like, cactuses.
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I think that's, like, the equivalent since they're both...
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Probably taking him to an event he'd want to go to or a massage.
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I guess, like, cookies or, you know, something, you know, like a...
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I don't really play video games, but I guess that could be a nice thing.
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If the guy likes video games or whatever, that could be nice.
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There's some decent answers, but scrunchie and...
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Anything that you can wear with the next guy you're having sex with?
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I know that my ex is appreciated when I dressed up a little bit.
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I'm not saying necessarily it's a best example of an equivalent.
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I think the baked goods and the succulents are better ideas, but that's just the first
02:36:06.400
Like, I don't know if you should buy a woman lingerie.
02:36:11.320
Because there could be some fucked up shit where, like, you guys break up, and not that
02:36:17.500
it would really impact you, aside from, like, and she wears that shit with the next guy.
02:36:57.880
So, withholding money resources is financial abuse.
02:37:01.560
I assume in the, let's just say in the context of a marriage, to make it simple, is withholding
02:37:11.620
How about, is it emotional abuse to withhold sex?
02:37:16.220
Yeah, if it's to punish the person, then it's not really nice to do that.
02:37:20.960
Question for you guys, because I need to get up momentarily.
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If I step away, on this topic, will you guys have five minutes to be able to talk amongst
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Or will you need the guiding hand of a man to...
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No, I didn't see it as a jibe, but that's funny.
02:37:54.520
I don't think either of those things are abuse.
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Like, I think the term abuse should not be used in either of those terms.
02:38:00.280
If someone's withholding resources and money, that's...
02:38:14.720
I think financial, withholding resources, and withholding sex are the same thing.
02:38:21.320
If you're in, like, a relationship with someone, and let's say...
02:38:25.740
Let's just assume the gender, like, the man and the woman...
02:38:33.600
Every time she gets her paycheck, she's, like, trusting her man, and she gives him half
02:38:38.580
of her paycheck to put in a savings account, they're saving together, and say that they're
02:38:43.900
saving towards this common goal, but then one day, when that common goal comes, it's
02:38:49.080
supposed to come to fruition, because of something that the woman said or did, the man withholds
02:38:54.660
the money to prevent her from attaining, like, almost to sabotage their common interests.
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Like, they're both contributing to the savings account.
02:39:15.460
That would greatly vary my answer, depending on what the contributions were.
02:39:21.560
Let's say I make way less money than he does, and I contribute $300, and he's contributed
02:39:26.200
$10,000, and he's withholding $300 from me as someone who makes, you know, $10,000, whatever.
02:39:34.440
Like, because it's not 50-50, like, I'm curious about your perspective.
02:39:38.300
Is it withheld, or is it supposed to be a shared activity?
02:39:48.220
So, also, let's make the assumption that the man told the woman that he's going to save
02:39:56.580
the money for both of them because he's more financially responsible.
02:40:01.620
So, there's also this, like, extra layer of, allow me as your man to take care of this.
02:40:08.740
So, like, if you're trusting him to do that, and then he doesn't, at the last minute, because
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of something that you said or did, he makes a judgment that, you know, he's going to punish
02:40:26.120
But I think sex is a little bit different in the fact that, like, you know, it's not like
02:40:32.340
My body is not like a bank of sex that you can come withdraw the ATM anytime you want.
02:40:39.640
Sex is about, like, personal autonomy and sharing space with someone else and consent.
02:40:46.840
And as long as there's consent, you know, it's like, you can work out how you want to
02:40:54.920
But if one party doesn't agree with the other, then it's not going to happen.
02:40:59.360
It's really important, though, with the expectations.
02:41:02.060
So, if your expectations of each other as a partner, like, one completely just drops down
02:41:08.600
and that's no longer the behaviors in your relationship, I think, at that, at a certain
02:41:19.280
I wouldn't say, like, fuck you, but that's no...
02:41:29.680
You're withholding to play games or get what you want or manipulate, it's very clear.
02:41:35.080
It's pretty clear if you're able to discern somebody's intent and then being able to
02:41:43.960
It's like manipulation versus abuse with the sex thing.
02:41:48.220
Like, it's manipulation if you're like, oh, I'm not going to have sex with you tonight
02:42:01.300
You know, these are really serious words that have very serious repercussions and absolutely
02:42:09.040
deserve that because I'm not out here, like, saying essay is right.
02:42:40.280
And so I think manipulation is different from abuse.
02:42:43.340
Like, they're both bad, but they're not the same thing.
02:42:48.000
It depends sometimes, though, because some manipulation can be emotional abuse, but it depends on what
02:42:55.760
I think for me, the first thing I kind of thought of was, like, if you are single, you
02:43:01.240
don't have to share your resources with anybody.
02:43:04.220
The baseline is you own what you own, and you are able to have sex or you do not have
02:43:11.860
And then in a relationship, it's, you know, like in marriage, it's like the resources are
02:43:18.260
But I think if the baseline is you're probably not having sex with that one person, that's
02:43:26.260
Because, like, you don't have to have sex if you don't want to have sex.
02:43:29.100
I think it's specific if it's, like, I am directly refusing to have sex with you because
02:43:36.080
Then you're using it as, like, a resource, and then that's a little bit like, okay, well...
02:43:44.160
I think that's just a toxic relationship, but I don't know, yeah.
02:43:47.940
Well, I would hope if you entered a marriage that there would be plenty of making love and
02:44:00.120
If your wife withheld sex from you, would you consider that sexual abuse?
02:44:04.800
My wife would definitely not be withholding sex from me, so there's no concern in that
02:44:39.100
But, yeah, it just sounds like a toxic relationship, honestly.
02:44:43.900
What's the difference between a toxic relationship and an abusive relationship?
02:44:52.660
Like, oh, my God, this is such a toxic relationship.
02:45:12.800
You think toxic relationship does mean abusive?
02:45:18.820
I think toxic's just the way to sugarcoat being in an abusive relationship.
02:45:26.080
It's probably, oh, we can be abusive towards each other.
02:45:29.620
I think, for me, the distinction between toxic and abusive would be if toxic is like,
02:45:38.400
It's you're playing mind games, you're playing mind games, and we're fucking getting nowhere.
02:45:41.440
I think abuse is when one person holds the financial privilege, the whatever is withholding resources,
02:45:48.800
is cutting this one person off from all of their people, but they're allowed to see their friends,
02:45:58.380
There's definitely levels, too, to toxic relationships.
02:46:02.300
And, like, I think generally toxic relationships are abusive, though.
02:46:07.440
Unless you're, like, unless you're calling your partner toxic for, like, going through your phone.
02:46:12.480
That's not, I mean, it's, I guess, toxic behavior, but that's not, like, abusive.
02:46:16.380
And if that's the only toxic behavior, then, like, it's probably not abusive, you know.
02:46:22.780
There's also, like, a difference between enmeshment, attachment, and love.
02:46:34.520
I also think abuse is, like, a continuous, like, beat down.
02:46:37.260
Whereas, like, toxic, like, it could be, like, a one-time thing that was just, like, not acceptable.
02:46:42.520
Like, that was a toxic thing you did, or different things that they're doing that are toxic.
02:46:47.300
But abuse is, like, the same thing, continuously beating down on someone in a certain way, whatever that may be.
02:46:52.200
I think abuse can look different in many ways, though, still.
02:46:56.080
Like, you know, you can be emotionally abusive one day, and then physically abusive the next.
02:47:08.840
Yeah, but you're doing the same, like, you're doing the same thing of abuse, like, for it to be abusive, like, multiple times, I feel like.
02:47:21.060
Like, anything physical, like, that's a different story, for sure.
02:47:23.480
What's the thread, then, that, like, ties all of that together?
02:47:27.220
Like, what is the component of the action that makes it abusive or toxic in the first place?
02:47:34.200
Like, if you really think about it, if you want to, like, boil it down or distill it down to, like, its elements, it's really about power.
02:47:47.260
It's a perceived element of control over aspects of pillars that dictate your survival, your ability to survive and thrive as a human.
02:48:01.080
And, like, as a society, you know, who, like, who has the power?
02:48:07.440
I don't think anybody, nobody is out here, like, saying, go abuse.
02:48:14.120
But, you know, we do, like, obviously thinking about in terms of, like, our discussion that we've been having about misogyny.
02:48:25.720
About, like, misogyny and stuff like that, you know, you think about in terms of, like, who has the power in relationships historically, you know.
02:48:35.100
I would say there's, like, men have a certain amount of power, women have a certain amount of power, but, like, legal, like, you know, power, like, as a citizen of, like, your nation or whatever, men have typically had more power.
02:48:47.620
To be honest, I've always looked up to men to, like, kind of lead me.
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And I don't know if that's just how I was raised and the family, like, the household I was raised, but I would much rather trust a man.
02:49:01.120
And I don't mean that saying women are incompetent, you know, like, I believe women are incompetent.
02:49:08.980
But truly, I don't want to be a boss, and that's my own thing.
02:49:16.080
I'm not saying other people need to feel that way, but absolutely, I look up to men historically and currently to kind of be a trailblazer and lead the way because I'm a female, and I sit in my female feminine pretty well.
02:49:32.180
I want to be soft, I want to let them kind of deal with discerning things, and I can kind of trust, be trusting, and let my guard down.
02:49:44.280
All right, tell them we're going to do a react.
02:49:52.160
That's a red flag for me, taking food on your first date.
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On your first date with someone, leave the food.
02:50:07.680
We both didn't want it to go to waste, so I was like, do you want it?
02:50:14.140
And I was like, all right, I guess I'll take it.
02:50:20.360
Lauren, can you tell us why taking the food is an ick?
02:50:24.560
It has something to do for me, like, financially.
02:50:26.600
I think that leftovers, when you take leftovers, it's when you're, like, in a relationship.
02:50:31.780
As a first date, you just eat whatever you want, and if there's leftovers, you can leave them there, and then you can go your separate ways.
02:50:46.940
Well, I think, just show hence, does everyone here think that that's ridiculous?
02:50:53.940
So, let's just maybe do, give us, like, top three icks.
02:51:07.140
I think lack of effort and the unwillingness to improve as a human being.
02:51:35.580
Instead of general icks, starting back with you, like, you're most petty.
02:51:41.680
No, like, just the smallest little thing that, you know, bothers you.
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I don't like when a man has nicer hair than I do.
02:52:00.720
There are some guys where I'm like, damn, you know, if you cut your hair a little bit,
02:52:06.800
You can have your pretty hair, but I need mine to look a little bit nicer.
02:52:27.060
And I, like, it was like high school, but, like, I totally dumped a guy because his teeth
02:52:32.440
were yellow and he had braces and I couldn't do it.
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My number one ick or my number one petty ick is no car.
02:52:52.400
I'm zipping around Southern California doing everything on my own, paying my own bills,
02:53:00.620
Like, if you're, as a man, you don't even have a vehicle.
02:53:09.520
Nail biting, chewing with your mouth open is disgusting.
02:53:25.500
If I see, like, yellow or, like, crooked teeth, unless it's, like, a cute straight gap,
02:53:30.960
It's funny, because your teeth are a little blue.
02:53:44.260
I've, like, my dentist told me I have the whitest white natural teeth.
02:53:49.300
So, like, there's, like, colors and stains, because I've gotten chips fixed.
02:53:55.000
And they, he used literally bleach white, which is the wettest white.
02:54:00.780
And I think it's, like, it's nasty if guys don't.
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And if they chew with their mouth open, I can't fucking do it.
02:54:16.600
I've never, like, been with a guy with a grill, but I wouldn't oppose someone because
02:54:22.540
Like, I wouldn't be, like, I wouldn't reject someone because they have a grill.
02:54:40.140
I don't know how petty this is, but I would say someone who is close-minded and doesn't
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You don't have to have everything locked in right now, but you should have a path to
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get there, which is already, like, you're working on it.
02:55:11.760
Like, one of those dogs that needs, like, the inbred dogs all the time.
02:55:20.040
Okay, but you've got a reason temporarily, but, like, all the time.
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Probably a silent stoner stare after I say something really, really important.
02:55:48.360
Like, offering to do something for them, and I just get a, what?
02:56:03.300
You're trying to have a conversation, and they're not really taking it in, what you're
02:56:07.120
trying to say, and they just want to go in circles and circles and circles, and have
02:56:10.960
arguments and debates over things that just don't make sense.
02:56:13.180
That, I would say, you know, can be a little bit problematic in general.
02:56:39.520
They sent me a little gift bag, a little award.
02:56:45.620
Like, YouTube does that with the plaques and stuff, and I don't know if Twitch does that.
02:56:51.460
But, okay, we're going to get into, damn, we had a lot of reacts we had to do.
02:56:58.720
We're going to do some of the show notes, actually.
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I'm going to try to blast through these as quickly as possible.
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Okay, we'll start with your, perhaps, where we might disagree.
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And then you have some interesting dating anecdotes.
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Oh, we also, oh, we do have your viral video that we might.
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So, you say, you write, men want equality too, i.e., Brian says how women should be in
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their feminine and be submissive, but then want us to also be included in the draft.
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And don't think men have to pay on a first date.
02:57:53.080
So, why are women being critiqued for our requirements when y'all have very similar
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I'm happy to dive in unless I think it'd be fair for you to elaborate a little bit.
02:58:11.300
I just feel like, yeah, like, I don't, okay, yeah, men and women are not equal just in
02:58:20.780
And I don't think that's necessarily the worst thing.
02:58:31.120
And, like, I think men also want equality in the way that women want equality too.
02:58:35.740
It's just a different, like, kind of equality that you guys want versus what we want.
02:58:39.560
I mean, you did also write here that you have this hot take, which you just presented, that
02:58:52.280
Like, I just think, like, traditionally, like, I do agree with, like, everything you're saying,
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how, like, men, like, men are disadvantaged in a way with women in the past and now in some
02:59:05.380
And women are also similarly disadvantaged in other ways.
02:59:09.640
And I just don't, I think there's disadvantages and there's advantages.
02:59:13.500
And I think just, you have to just roll with punches.
02:59:20.560
I think traditionally, like, I think the way the world runs right now is, is fine.
02:59:27.980
You think the way the world runs right now is fine?
02:59:30.700
It's like, and like, traditionally, like, I just think, like.
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Like, traditional gender roles and, like, the way that, like, the roles that men play and
02:59:43.000
And I think we should just, like, step into our role and just embrace it.
02:59:48.940
Like, I don't think it's a bad thing for men to, you know, like, be dominant and provide
03:00:00.020
I think one of my criticisms, though, and you might agree with me on this, and this would
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So, it would go, if men are, like, complete D-Gen, they're not traditional, then it's
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unfair for them to expect a woman who's traditional.
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Likewise, though, if the woman's not traditional, then I don't think it's fair for her to expect
03:00:23.780
Now, sort of alluding to something she brought up previously, oh, also, we need to, we got
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to bring up the table or whatever the soup chatter asked for, but you said that things
03:00:35.940
are not black and white, that there's nuance to things.
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So, when it comes to being traditional, and this is something I've kind of grappled with,
03:00:44.420
I don't think it's a hundred, like, you know, you're a hundred percent it or you're a hundred
03:00:50.480
I think, to some degree, there's a scale to being traditional.
03:00:55.400
Like, for example, if two people, both the man and the woman, because traditionally, people
03:01:00.600
remained virgins until marriage for both the man and the woman.
03:01:04.200
Now, do I think that a man and a woman who are both not virgins, can they engage in a
03:01:14.540
Yes, but they're not virgins, so does that, do we just immediately exclude them from the
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But I do think once you start going far enough outside of traditional into modernity, then
03:01:37.320
it's like, in general, I don't know if it's, it's hard because it is a bit of a scale, right?
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I don't know if I could properly, like, articulate each exact step of the traditional, non-traditional
03:01:52.620
scale, but it seems like if we're talking about traditional gender roles, something
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that I see a lot, and again, I think it can go both ways.
03:02:01.300
I think that, you know, men can want a woman to be, like, super trad, and they're not really
03:02:08.940
trad, and they're not, they don't want to be a provider, protector, blah, blah, blah,
03:02:14.100
But I think I see a little bit more of this happening.
03:02:17.520
I see women who are just, it's not even that they're trying to LARP or even pretend that
03:02:24.300
I see, like, women who are, like, completely owning the fact that they're modern women,
03:02:29.120
that they're liberal, that they're feminist, and yet, on a, like, individual level, they
03:02:36.860
still are holding men, they want men to be trad.
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Like, okay, I'm a feminist woman, 50-50, or, well, not 50-50, but, well, no, yes, 50-50,
03:02:46.760
or, I want equality, blah, blah, blah, but men should pay for first dates, men should
03:02:51.380
be providers, men should be protectors, men should be, men should be leaders, men should
03:02:57.900
I think that's probably one of the bigger dynamics, I guess you could say, is that, sure,
03:03:03.900
okay, a girl goes 50-50 on a first date, maybe, but, like, all the other steps to getting
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there, women do sort of enjoy this privilege of being the pursued.
03:03:13.960
Uh, and so, I think if you're, like, a true feminist equality woman, like, you should
03:03:26.000
So, that might be, like, you go up to the guy, you approach the guy, you ask for the
03:03:29.860
number, you plan the first date, you, you know, do all those typical things that men
03:03:36.960
So, um, I, I, things can be unequal, but I do think that there is an application where
03:03:44.460
it's, like, okay, uh, women, like, for example, right, um, I've, I do research typically a little
03:03:52.340
bit on, I'm not, like, doing background checks, but I'll look at your social media, I'll look
03:03:56.880
Can I ask you a question if you're dating a guy and he said, hey, I'm a little bit uncomfortable
03:04:00.860
with some of your revealing photos on Instagram, would you defer to him on that?
03:04:07.860
It's happened, but what's your position on that?
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Um, I think if he's uncomfortable with it, that's fine, I'll take it down.
03:04:18.100
We, we've had this discussion, um, but I think it's, like, it has to come with a level of
03:04:22.300
Like, like you were saying, like, you need to be putting in your work, too.
03:04:25.160
Like, if, if you don't like that I'm posting a bikini pic as a college-aged girl, like,
03:04:30.140
I don't want you posting a shirtless pic as a college-aged boy.
03:04:33.900
And he, if you have, like, my ex, this literally happened to me, I'm posting a gym pic, but
03:04:45.780
Like, I think, like, I'm not, I'm not, like, doing OnlyFans out here.
03:04:52.280
Yeah, I understand, I understand that there's degrees and intensities and severities to these
03:04:57.880
I don't know if, uh, I don't know if it's a total equivalent of guy post gym pic versus
03:05:05.120
I think there is a certain nature of, uh, photos that women will take, which will tend
03:05:09.460
to either emphasize the ass or the breasts, which there is a sexualization component.
03:05:14.460
Whereas, like, I don't know if that same level is occurring when, like, a man is doing, like,
03:05:27.380
If you're a straight woman, he's doing something.
03:05:34.380
I don't know if it's, uh, I don't know if we can totally look at it as 100% equal when a
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woman posts a pic versus when a man posts a pic.
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Like, I don't, I, I really don't care about it in that sense.
03:06:01.640
But I think like, if you want, like, if you don't feel comfortable like doing that,
03:06:06.800
then like you have to give something to like, I'm very comfortable doing that.
03:06:10.620
How often do you slide into DMS as frequently as your DMS are slid into?
03:06:16.900
Like how many, would you say you get one DM per day more than a few?
03:06:23.160
And you have like a couple thousand followers on Instagram or, um, okay.
03:06:28.740
So I think there's a difference, there's a bit of a difference here though, in just
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practically speaking and sort of the, uh, experience that men and women are going to
03:06:40.500
So, and also it's just, it's a little, there's a couple of different angles here.
03:06:45.080
So I'm trying to parse the best approach for this conversation.
03:06:48.140
But I think when a woman, when a woman is posting on social media, that that's you advertising.
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Advertising like women, typically, generally, I get, I'm not saying that it never happens,
03:07:02.000
but women either generally don't, or to a far lesser degree are going to slide into a
03:07:10.260
Uh, they, they don't, but what you'll do as a woman, you'll post a story or you'll post
03:07:19.780
So it's kind of like, and to bring it back to like a real life RL, IRL dynamic, because
03:07:26.340
If you're IRL, uh, women typically like won't approach a guy, but they'll, you know, dress
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And maybe they might put themselves like in proximity to a guy or they might look at him.
03:07:40.200
Look, sometimes women will do, will approach in person.
03:07:42.880
So I think the, the roles between men and women are kind of different and asymmetrical.
03:07:51.180
Yeah, there's not a, there's not a dispute that women do approach men IRL.
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The, the dispute is, is that the, there's a, there's a mismatch in the frequency that
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So we're not having a, a conversation about the exception to the role we're talking about,
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uh, generally the practice of what's happening.
03:08:10.820
And so women, you, you won't go up to a guy, but you'll put yourself in a position to be
03:08:16.920
approached where, so I guess almost relating this a little bit to, let me ask you this.
03:08:25.680
And he's like, Hey, look, I don't know if you do this, but then I don't know.
03:08:33.340
Your boyfriend's like, Hey, look, and let's say he's kind of, he prefers kind of just staying
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If your boyfriend says, Hey, look, uh, we're serious now.
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I don't want you to go into bars and clubs anymore.
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I think if he is a good and loyal man and isn't going either.
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He's not, he doesn't, he's not going to club bars and clubs.
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He doesn't want to go, but he's like, nah, I don't want you to go.
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Um, I think unless it's like a birthday or like an event, like I don't need to go just
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Like I think for my husband, I'm not going to, I don't need to do that.
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Even in these environments though, uh, perhaps one of the reasons why men are not quite like
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If I, or even this strapping young gentleman over here, uh, who's, he's a good looking guy.
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You're, you're a male model, by the way, he's a male model.
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Um, he goes to the, you know, I actually looked up to Brian when I was a little kid.
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Um, so, and look, I'm, I'm not saying it never happens, but like in terms of the proportion
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of, of it happening, like, have you been to a bar club, nightclub?
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Now when you go and like, let's just say you're standing at the bar with a drink, uh, like,
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do you get a pro, like, do women come up to you frequently?
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Now, to be fair, he's a good looking guy, so I don't know, but what's, tell us the truth.
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I mean, it happens, um, but it's not, it's definitely not as frequent for sure.
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Have you ever been out to a bar or club and you didn't get approached the entire night?
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So it does happen, but it's, it's, it's much more rare.
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Now I would say for the average guy though, he goes to a bar or nightclub.
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And look, I'm not, I'm not, Oh my God, I'm not crying about it.
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Women don't really be approaching men that much unless you're like fucking giga chat, whatever.
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And so I think that that's one of the reasons why, whereas a woman, whether she's average
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looking, cute, attractive, beautiful, whatever, whatever, she's going to get approached at
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a bar or nightclub once, twice, three times, maybe fucking 10 times.
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Like, I mean, when you go out, how often would you, and I feel like, you know, to be fair,
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uh, you know, with social media and, and dating apps, I do think men, like I'm talking back
03:11:26.560
in the early 2010s, 2000s beat before that, the nineties, like men would, that was your
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only way to meet a woman was you had to meet them somehow.
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There wasn't dating apps and, you know, really.
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Uh, but when you go out, do you, how often would you say you like, we'll get approached
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Like most of the times I go out, I will get approached, but not all the time.
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Like I'm in Boston and the culture in Boston, men don't confront women like at all.
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I know in other cities, like that's not the case, but like in my personal experience, like
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some of my friends, like they can be the hottest girl at the bar and the men will not say a
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I do think, like, I think it's the culture that I'm used to there.
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I think times are changing a little bit in the sense that, you know, why get rejected
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at the bar if you can just like swipe on Tinder on, um, excuse me, on Tinder or whatever.
03:12:19.660
But, uh, I do think generally speaking, this phenomenon is still the case where, you know,
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as a woman, you go to a bar, much more likely to be hit on, et cetera, et cetera, versus a
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And so there's like going to be a bit of a hesitation for as a man, like being able to
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be cool with your girlfriend going to these environments where there is more of an expectation
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that she's going to like get approached and hit on, et cetera.
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But I think like, that's the nature of like how it's always been.
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Like the man sees pretty girl at the bar, man goes and says hi, pretty girl at the bar.
03:13:04.580
So, but you, do you do think, uh, if I recall correctly, you said you think women should be submissive?
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I'm trying to think of an example I could give.
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But, uh, I mean, just to reiterate though, you said that men want equality too, how women
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should be in their feminine and submissive, but they also want us to be included in the
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So I trust what you said, like you guys want to be, you want us to be feminine and submissive,
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So like, if you want us to like be feminine and like look pretty and like look cute at
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the bar and like just be like there, you got to come and say, hi, you know what I mean?
03:13:50.240
Like I'm not going to go up there unless like, again, like you're Brad Pitt, like, you know,
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I mean, I agree that if a woman adheres to being traditional, then yes, absolutely.
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Like the man should pay, the man should lead, the man should take initiative.
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And that's, that's the role that I want in a relationship.
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However, I do think that there is quite a bit of, it seems to me like you have, and there's
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been a bunch of viral videos on this, you have really liberal women, you have feminist
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women who still want men to do the traditional stuff.
03:14:30.180
And I think one of my other qualms is that, that I've brought up is I think, I think it's
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for with the paying for first dates, just to be specific.
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I think if the woman is genuinely dating you, uh, and she's not, she's being intentional
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in how she's moving, then I think paying for the first date makes sense.
03:14:56.580
And look, to be fair, I think it's a, you're on any given date, the likelihood that it's
03:15:01.700
a foodie call is on, it's less likely than more likely to be the case.
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It is a phenomenon that happens though, that shouldn't be completely discounted so that
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you have the foodie calls where these women are just going, it's not even just for the
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food, but I think sometimes women will go on a date, not just for the free meal, but also
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I don't think they go into it with like the right intentions.
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And they're just kind of like, huh, I'm not that interested, but I don't know.
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It seems like sometimes y'all just do it for the sake of it, just to be entertained for
03:15:41.220
It's not necessarily always about the, oh, the, I'm saving 20 bucks on a meal.
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It's like the, I'm just going to go for the experience versus intentionally having an interest
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So there is that, but then there's the other component, even if she is like genuinely trying
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to meet somebody, although perhaps these two things are conflicting.
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I do think a lot of times as a guy, you're encountering women who are dealing with multiple
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men who are, who got rosters, who are going on five dates in a week.
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And my thought process is if, if you're going on a date after this date, I feel that's disrespectful.
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I'm not saying all women move like that, but that, that is a consideration.
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And then, and then in addition to that, even if it's not like the same day, she's going
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on a date, there's definitely like, perhaps to a lesser degree, there's going to be women
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who are, uh, they, they're, they're just five dates in a week, six dates in a week.
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I'm taking on a Wednesday and you got Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday locked up.
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And there, and I'm like, I don't really like, to me, I'm not interested in a woman like that
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Like I want a woman who's properly single and there's not other dudes in the picture.
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So I don't, I don't think it's a fair shake for men just looking at it from a bird's eye
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I know the men probably aren't going to be like, no, that she's going on this many dates,
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but I'm just like examining it from like a pulled back angle, bird's eye view looking
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down and like, Hmm, if it's the case that a woman who maybe she might be trad in a relationship,
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but she's like stacking dates and going on a bunch of dates, I don't really think the
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I mean, but I think also like as a girl, no, go ahead.
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I just think also like as a girl, like the man could also be doing that and going on a
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bunch of dates and entertaining a lot of women, then the girls shouldn't go on the
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Like I, I wouldn't entertain a man that I thought was doing the same thing.
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Like, I think that's fair and it goes both ways.
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And I, you know, some people like to say that, you know, with the body count conversation,
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If a woman doesn't want to date a guy who is promiscuous, who has a high body count,
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Uh, don't deal with the fuck boys, but yeah, I don't know.
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So when it comes to paying for the date, um, I think if, if, well, okay, hold on.
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Let me, let me approach it from this angle too.
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If you want to get the girl, the optimum move is to pay for the date.
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Like that, if that's your goal to get the girl, probably the best move on the chessboard,
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But like, if I'm just having like a conversation about what's fair, what's not fair without
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any actual practical application to dating, then yeah, it's kind of like bullshit that men
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are paying for dates when these women are like, not really adhering to any traditional
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It's not fair if a man in that case, sorry, I didn't know anyone to go.
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That wouldn't be fair, but I think, yeah, I mean, that's just, that's just how it is.
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I just think like, also like, you shouldn't just be going on dates with just anybody.
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Like you should kind of know where their head's at before.
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Like I wouldn't just go on a date with a man that slid into my DMs.
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Like he's letting me DM, I'm going to be like, okay, I don't know you.
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Like, like men will DM me and be like, what are you doing tonight?
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We should know where each other's heads are at.
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Like I should know if you're like proper, proper single or not.
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Like, I think that's a very fair conversation to have.
03:19:33.020
And just, I guess, going back to your original point, you're saying, well, Brian, you think women should be drafted.
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So like, why should you have a traditional woman or whatever?
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So I think, I think it's a distinction between micro and macro level processes or concepts.
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So like on the micro level, like I can have, like if we separate individual relationships
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from like society at large, like society wide rules and obligations, if I want a traditional dynamic in a one-on-one relationship,
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that's just a private arrangement between me and the girl I'm seeing.
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And it's something that we can both want absent the, what is going on in society versus if it's the case that society, like society is just going to operate on a different level.
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So if in society, we've agreed collectively as a society that we're going to uphold equality between the sexes as some sort of virtue or pillar,
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then I don't think it's inconsistent for me to say, well, in my private life, because I don't really have any influence or say on like society at large.
03:20:47.960
I don't get to dictate, you know, I mean, I have one vote out of like over 300 million other people in this country, but I don't really get to dictate how society is.
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And so because society operates on a different level, I think that it is coherent and makes sense for, okay, well, like let's say society is super degenerate,
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but I, I want something more traditional and the girl who I'm interested in also wants something more traditional.
03:21:20.160
Well, that's fine. But then if I see that society isn't like, I'm trying to think of a good example.
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How about this? Uh, are you pro-choice or pro-life pro-choice pro-choice? Okay.
03:21:30.660
So me personally, but I agree that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the easiest way I could frame it. Well, I mean, we even talked about war, right?
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Like, for example, we both agree that war is bad. War should never happen. There should never be war.
03:21:44.200
And it'd be, wouldn't it be wonderful if all the money that we spend on a standing army could be redirected to singing Kumbaya other things, right?
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That would be wonderful, but we live in reality. And in reality, we have to realize that there are hostile, belligerent nations.
03:22:00.460
And thus we need a military to potentially defend ourselves and, you know, from a potential invasion or whatever it is we protect or whatever it is. Right.
03:22:12.220
And so, yes, in the, if the world was like this, then it could be like that.
03:22:19.280
I guess with the reason I asked about abortion. So my perspective on abortion is as follows.
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Uh, I think abortion is clearly wrong. Now, given that abortion, there are abortion rights in certain, in certain states, women do have access to abortions.
03:22:37.740
I think that there should then be some corresponding right for men to escape from, to have their own form of reproductive rights.
03:22:48.440
So in a state where, so even if my position typically would be, Hey, just abortion bad, shouldn't be abortion in states where there are abortions.
03:22:57.660
My position as a men's advocate, uh, is men should have reproductive rights.
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Men should not have to pay child support in states where women have the right to abortion.
03:23:08.780
I mean, they can willingly voluntarily do it, but in a state where a woman can kill her child, murder her child,
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men should have the right to, to put it bluntly, abandon their child.
03:23:21.380
Well, they're going to do that anyways, if they want to.
03:23:24.340
Well, the difference is though, is that, uh, the state can compel a man to pay for child support,
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And so in the, in this case, um, I just simply think that in a state where abortion is legal,
03:23:41.980
then under that framework, even if I disagree with the framework, I think, okay, well, how
03:23:50.120
How can we create some sort of equality under the system?
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Men should have a method to extract themselves from, uh, parental responsibility and financial
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What if the woman wants to have a kid, but doesn't want to take care of it and chooses
03:24:07.980
to abandon their own kid, but they go into foster care?
03:24:13.720
But like, well, yeah, what I'm saying, like, what if they don't believe in abortion for
03:24:22.100
So if a woman gets pregnant, like, let's, I don't know whether the man wants the kid or
03:24:27.080
So the woman, uh, women can always escape responsibility as it relates to children.
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She doesn't, even if she's in a state where abortion is allowed, she can go to shortly after
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No questions asked, uh, uh, what surrender the child to the people at the fire station.
03:24:53.760
And her responsibilities are completely relinquished, completely relinquished.
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Whereas men, uh, say them all the same reasons that you might give for why abortion should
03:25:07.100
Uh, at least like the, you know, like, oh, she's not ready.
03:25:13.240
She just doesn't want to have a kid, uh, which I'm sure you would agree.
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These are all, at least from your perspective, these are valid reasons for abortion.
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What if the man says, well, hold on, I'm not financially ready to have a kid.
03:25:26.200
What if I, or I just don't want to be a father.
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I'm, I'm in, I'm in SIG app and fucking, I knocked up some chicken alpha fee and it was
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I'm, if I have to, you know, support a kid, I'm going to be screwed.
03:25:43.280
If a guy is in that financial situation, why is he having sex?
03:25:50.200
If a woman is in that financial situation, if a man is in that financial situation, why
03:25:55.800
The same exact, you're going to have to apply, you're going to have to apply that logic to
03:25:59.700
As a woman, I wouldn't be having sex if I wasn't able to take care of a kid.
03:26:05.200
You don't think women who are not financially capable of having a child are engaging in
03:26:15.180
But there's like 15 year olds that have sex with each other.
03:26:25.100
You shouldn't have sex if you can't take care of a child.
03:26:26.860
Well, you shouldn't have sex with one person and you live happily ever after.
03:26:32.120
Sometimes that gets messed up, but you know, for a man and a woman, you shouldn't be having
03:26:39.260
sex if you cannot financially take care of a child.
03:26:42.120
That's adulting 101 or whatever it was you said.
03:26:53.340
You said it's not reality that two people stay together forever.
03:27:06.880
So I think if you get married and you're staying together, you're staying together.
03:27:13.740
Where two people just meet and they're soulmates.
03:27:33.240
Have you ever looked at Brian's piercing blue eyes?
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I don't know the relevance of all this, but I mean, hell yeah.
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Do you think, like, people who get sexually assaulted and impregnated by that should have the choice?
03:28:09.400
Um, I mean, there, look, abortion is not typically my primary, uh, focus of argumentation, to be, to be honest.
03:28:27.040
I, if I can be totally honest, I haven't really come to a determination on that.
03:28:34.380
So, uh, ultimately, all the same logical arguments, though, that would apply in any other situation would also apply in a situation where, I mean, this is obviously a really tragic situation where not only is a woman raised, but she ends up pregnant because of the...
03:28:55.160
Um, but, I mean, in terms of the, uh, a defense of the pro-life position, uh, I don't know if the arguments are completely diminished or defeated by the fact that a woman was quite tragically, uh, essayed.
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My question back to you, though, would be, if, if we were to make some sort of trade-off, if we were to, if conservatives and liberals were to come together and say, you know what, look, let's put this abortion thing to rest.
03:29:30.280
By the way, I believe most conservatives are totally fine with, like, life abortion in the instance of life of the mother and, I believe, maybe incest.
03:29:39.160
In any case, let's say conservatives say, you know what, we're going to promise and guarantee abortion rights under these circumstances.
03:29:48.540
Rape, life of the mother, uh, incest, I guess, sexual abuse, whatever.
03:29:56.300
However, women who just had consensual sex, but it was an unintended pregnancy, and they're just, they don't want the kid, they're not ready, they're not financially ready.
03:30:17.060
I guess I have to think on that a little bit, because I do believe I'm pro-choice.
03:30:23.760
Um, I think, you know, I mean, I had an ectopic pregnancy, and that was, like, an abortion.
03:30:29.980
And I had to get a medical abortion, because it put my life in danger.
03:30:35.540
So, I think there should be very, like, strict, I mean, not strict, but, like, there, as long as the mothers whose life is being put in danger are actually considered, and, like, I've seen stories where doctors...
03:30:54.060
Well, I know, I know you did, but just let me finish.
03:30:56.420
I've seen stories where people who have had ectopic pregnancies don't receive the medical care that they need, because of the law being so strict, and them being afraid of losing their license.
03:31:08.420
So, I guess as long as doctors were still performing...
03:31:13.420
Okay, but granting, in a hypothetical scenario, that, yes, these are, yes, life of the mother, and there's not, like, red tape around that, or whatever, do you do the trade?
03:31:26.640
I think maybe as long as, you know, we're still granted birth control access, and maybe condoms become free, and, you know...
03:31:41.580
Yeah, that's, like, pride, like, free birth control, free condoms, not free birth...
03:31:58.060
I mean, there are some arguments that can be made that, like, certain policies, like, if you spend $5 million in a state to provide free condoms, does this, like, the trickle-down effects of this, does this prevent, like...
03:32:11.580
$20 million of, like, I don't know, something else?
03:32:20.580
Yeah, it could be, or, you know, if the benefits of a program like that, you know, it actually pays for itself...
03:32:29.980
If the economics balance out, then I'm probably fine with it, but, like, just as a general knee-jerk reaction, I don't know if the government needs to be...
03:32:38.600
Like, the taxpayer needs to be paying for fucking free condoms.
03:32:51.880
Usually, I expect the guy to buy the condoms, otherwise he won't have sex with them, but, like...
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I don't think we should force birth control on women.
03:33:23.820
One of the super chatters said to pull it up, so we're going to pull it up.
03:33:32.540
This is the thing I was kind of critiquing earlier, I guess.
03:34:01.800
Bosef, frog, it's below the threshold, but thank you for your message, man, if you want to resubmit
03:34:12.560
Now, Lexi, your ex of 3.5 years was having sex with someone else on spring break a week
03:34:27.740
Also, your ex of 3.5 years writing you a letter after this?
03:34:42.600
Did you first, like, write it on a computer or, like, your phone?
03:34:49.020
This was, like, the most disagreeing thing ever.
03:35:04.420
If you were to read it, it would take 30 minutes, right?
03:35:07.920
Wait, can you get it and read us the first paragraph?
03:35:12.080
I'll look at what the first paragraph is, and then I'll decide.
03:35:23.260
Like, I'll, like, also preface this, like, in the meantime.
03:35:25.780
Like, we had a very, like, long, substantial, like, relationship.
03:35:30.560
We had no instances of, like, disloyalty, nothing.
03:35:33.120
So, like, him doing this was, like, shocking to me because I had never expected this out of
03:35:37.040
Like, that was, like, a really difficult breakup.
03:35:45.680
We had seen each other, but we were broken up at this time.
03:35:52.120
Like, we were trying to navigate the situation and consider potentially getting back together
03:35:58.180
And also, on this spring break trip, we were in the same...
03:36:05.240
Like, this was, like, we had planned to, like, see each other there.
03:36:07.720
Like, this was not just, like, oh, he just went on spring break.
03:36:23.040
The kind of shit I got in there, it's, like, Costco.
03:36:32.060
Also, the first part is just me explaining that it's going to be long.
03:37:07.040
Well, give us the best part, and don't read the best part.
03:37:14.460
Okay, this is all the stuff before the breakup.
03:37:21.980
They won't be able to read it, but starting at the top, can you just scroll up to show
03:37:50.220
Yeah, even thinking that's fast, like, that's still a lot.
03:37:56.720
This was probably the craziest thing I've ever done, but...
03:38:00.100
This was probably the craziest thing I've ever done, but...
03:38:02.880
Okay, after the part about how I say it's going to be long, and how I say, like, whatever,
03:38:11.500
Okay, no, that's, like, too personal, but I'm going to just say this part.
03:38:14.100
Okay, I say, I want to start by telling you that I initiated a breakup because I was
03:38:17.080
upset with myself for staying with you when I was really hurt and broken inside from
03:38:20.100
all our fighting, and I knew I wasn't being a good girlfriend to you.
03:38:22.940
I knew I couldn't be that for you until I healed myself, and I didn't want you to
03:38:26.020
eventually resent or hate me because I was slowly starting to feel that way about
03:38:29.080
myself and was losing respect for myself because of all the fighting.
03:38:31.380
I feel like you really were just so sick of me and annoyed with me and frustrated that
03:38:34.920
I couldn't hold up my part in the relationship.
03:38:37.320
I just couldn't handle those feelings and stress anymore, but I did not initiate this because
03:38:42.580
All I wanted was to be a better person and girlfriend and be better in a relationship
03:39:04.420
Did you guys, like, continue hooking up for a period of time after...
03:39:08.240
No, we hooked up one time after and that was it.
03:39:13.560
Like, we were, like, still, like, in contact, but then after the spring break thing, that
03:39:31.660
I haven't heard from him since, besides when he tried to steal my AC unit back.
03:39:39.160
Yes, he tried to steal from me while I was in Europe, so...
03:39:44.960
He was, like, texting my roommates to, like, get his stuff.
03:40:21.440
If you didn't get it, if you didn't get it, and you're watching this, and you didn't
03:41:03.640
A guy could be so petty and just be like, too long, didn't read.
03:41:14.020
I had to write down what I felt, and I had to get it off my chest.
03:41:17.720
No, we were not together at the time he did this, but we were in contact.
03:41:55.920
I don't need to get into what we were fighting about, but you could tell from that.
03:42:14.720
Your appetite, your sexual appetite is too much.
03:43:01.340
The dumper doesn't get to, you know, hold the moral high ground when, well, I guess
03:43:12.420
it kind of depends a little bit on the reasons for the breakup.
03:43:17.580
Like, this was, I was very valid in the breakup.
03:43:21.200
Let's say in a scenario where it's like a breakup and there's not some crazy drama.
03:43:27.520
You know, there's not anything toxic or there's no abuse.
03:43:29.960
And I think that, uh, the person who's doing the dumping, they can't be like, have the
03:43:39.100
moral high ground on how quick the other person moves on.
03:43:42.060
Like, I think it's fair if you're getting dumped and you're like, wow, they dumped me
03:43:46.820
and then they're fucking somebody the next day.
03:43:51.460
I don't know if that makes sense, but it makes sense to me.
03:43:56.440
But I think also like, if you're like, there's just like a basic like level of respect and
03:44:01.200
like, like the issue was like, it was like, he had done that with her.
03:44:05.540
And then the next day he told me they had just kissed, which lie.
03:44:09.220
And then he was telling me, I love you and I miss you.
03:44:12.260
And I want to make sure you and your family are okay.
03:44:14.660
And he was hugging me and touching me and he woke, they woke up in the same bed the morning
03:44:20.780
I think with your girlfriend in three and a half years, that's like unacceptable behavior
03:44:29.800
Don't tell me you, don't tell, don't come to me and tell me that you love me then and
03:44:44.600
Like he was, he was like, he, he understood he didn't push back.
03:44:47.780
Like he understood and was okay with the, yeah.
03:44:53.280
I don't think he, it's inconsistent for him to, despite him, like perhaps this was cope
03:44:59.660
Like shit, my girlfriend who I love or whatever dumped me.
03:45:04.720
Well, some people deal with that in different ways.
03:45:07.680
He was like, well, I'm going to get the best way to get over somebody is to get underneath.
03:45:18.020
Maybe for men, but I think there's just a disgusting behavior.
03:45:20.300
And I think like it's wrong for the girl you're using to get over your girlfriend.
03:45:24.780
And I think it's wrong to do to the girlfriend.
03:45:26.540
Like, I think you're just manipulating way too many people.
03:45:29.560
Because then the girlfriend, if you look, okay, but that's rude.
03:45:44.040
I think, look, if I'm, if I, if I'm dating some girl and she dumps me, look, I don't
03:45:50.300
think my initial thing is like necessarily within a week, like I'm going to go try to
03:45:56.660
But like, I don't think she can be upset if I do.
03:45:59.620
Like you can't, well, I guess you can be upset about it, but I didn't do anything wrong.
03:46:11.900
You should have stayed, if it would have, then you should have stayed.
03:46:14.340
No, I just think like what you did in front of my face on spring break.
03:46:17.440
Like you couldn't have, like you were there with her and you leaving a bar together.
03:46:26.340
I just kissed somebody at the bar after this behavior.
03:46:42.840
I just think we, I just thought we had more respect in our relationship.
03:46:47.000
Had he not done the whole, you know, you broke up, you broke this poor guy's heart.
03:46:54.140
And then he, in his moment of need and suffering, he turned, he needed a human connection.
03:47:08.340
The question is, would you have written the 12-page thing had he not done that?
03:47:20.500
I wrote at the end of it, maybe we should get back together.
03:47:29.680
I actually, this was actually a, Loki, I miss you and I know you fucked up, but I miss
03:47:48.920
Wait, why do you want to get back with him if he's unemployed?
03:48:04.940
When you were dating him, was he already out of school?
03:48:14.060
Wait, but I don't understand this thing where you broke up with him.
03:48:18.420
You broke up with him and then you were like, but let's get back together.
03:48:24.100
No, but like I, okay, but I, not a blame him for saying no.
03:48:31.240
I went, no, I like, I told him from the beginning.
03:48:34.080
I was like, I, like, I told him from the beginning that, like, I, like, love you.
03:48:42.560
This is not, like, in any way, like, lack of that.
03:48:45.220
But, like, I literally could not be in that relationship any longer with the way we were fighting.
03:48:50.860
And there was nothing he could have done to fix it.
03:48:52.720
But I realized at the end of the day, which, honestly, I'm glad that he didn't take me back.
03:48:59.800
If he did text you, would you get back with him?
03:49:01.980
No, he texted me in June after I got back from my Europe trip, I put that in my notes, to get my, to get his stuff back.
03:49:09.600
And I totally could have seen him right there and, like, tried to talk to him in person.
03:49:21.160
Like, I'm way happier now than I would have been if I had stayed in that relationship or if he took me back.
03:49:36.660
I mean, my confusion, though, is you broke up with him.
03:49:40.840
And then a week later, you're like, even after he did this thing that you say,
03:49:47.160
Even then, you still wanted to get back together with him.
03:50:01.240
But honestly, I think I was just really lonely and, like, missing, like, my best friend.
03:50:11.080
I think that sometimes when you break up with somebody,
03:50:17.580
you can still miss the person and it can be hard for you.
03:50:23.040
And also, put yourself in the eyes of a 21-year-old college girl.
03:50:32.820
Like, you know, like, that's your first relationship.
03:50:36.460
And, like, now looking back on that, I'm like, no.
03:50:41.480
I will say, I will say that sometimes, though, I do, and men do this, too.
03:50:52.400
So people will be like, feign the breakup, bluff the breakup,
03:50:57.240
in the hope of, like, changing the other person's behavior, though.
03:51:01.680
Wait, I can talk about bluff the breakup because I did that before in this relationship.
03:51:05.160
I was like, I'm going to dump you if you don't stop.
03:51:09.900
So bluffing would be like, okay, like in poker, you know, you can stay in with a weak hand.
03:51:17.340
Like, maybe your cards aren't as strong, aren't that strong.
03:51:22.140
Well, it's a bit of an, in a relationship sense, I think there will be situations.
03:51:35.300
It's not even that the girl is using the, like, a potential breakup as leverage.
03:51:40.660
The girl goes ahead and initiates a breakup, thinking that that will motivate the man to either change something or apologize or, you know, whatever it is.
03:51:51.600
No, baby, I love you, I'll change my ways, like that kind of stuff.
03:51:53.600
Yeah, but we did that like a million times before.
03:51:56.400
The issue with the bluff, though, is when the woman doesn't want to break up, like the thing that she's trying to fix, it's not like, she still wants to be with the guy.
03:52:21.580
Like, it's not enough of a bad thing that she wants to break up with him.
03:52:27.580
And sometimes this backfires, though, because the guy's like.
03:52:32.840
And then she's like, no, no, no, I don't want that.
03:52:36.720
Guys can definitely be like, okay, well, I don't really appreciate this or whatever.
03:52:47.760
So you've got to be careful bluffing the breakup because then, like, you're in a bad position if you're like, oopsie, I didn't mean, you know, then you're just like, okay.
03:52:59.700
I think you can talk through problems without going, like, I guess, nuclear in the sense of ending a relationship.
03:53:18.480
Okay, so I, two weeks ago, I did a segment, and it's called the Reverse Uno.
03:53:27.340
And I think it's really rarely the case that, you know, there's, like, Fandom stuff.
03:53:42.820
Oh, here's, here's 200 to your Venmo to pay for your blah, blah, blah.
03:53:49.860
You know, I was going to say for the sex workers, but fuck it.
03:53:52.400
Let's open it up to all the women at the panel.
03:54:12.820
Have you ever done, like, been a stripper or anything?
03:54:30.720
Actually, you should, honestly, as your punishment, you should, you should.
03:54:37.060
I want, not all at the same time, I want you guys, this is a fucking shakedown.
03:54:43.960
I want you, and you and you, to give me cash right now.
03:55:04.380
I, y'all got, women got these simps giving y'all money for no reason, and it's like once
03:55:10.940
in your life, like, you know, it's like a bucket list thing.
03:55:19.460
Wait, wait, come in, come in the front, come in the front here.
03:56:05.160
It's only appropriate you give us both money, honestly.
03:57:00.340
May I give you everything that's in my wallet right now, sir?
03:58:22.980
This podcast, this is like I'm a starving artist, okay?
03:58:55.400
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
03:59:10.080
You feel like you're doing something for a woman.
03:59:11.920
And so, like, it really does emotionally do, like, to have the role reversed, though, that
03:59:21.200
It's like this one time I've had this experience.
03:59:30.120
One time, one time, just to say for fun, oh, hey, girls, I tricked on Brian for whatever
04:00:03.720
I need a deposit into my Cash App and slash Venmo at least once a week.
04:00:34.920
You guys aren't seeing that fucking money again.
04:00:42.820
Imagine, by the way, we, like, so we've had, if, this is episode 273.
04:00:52.440
If I had done this every single episode of the show, that's, I would have made, like, six
04:01:03.100
Like, I want to know how much you made off of these girls, like, genuinely.
04:01:19.740
You know, the girls, they're just millions and billions of dollars on OnlyFans and Sugar
04:01:26.500
Standing upon a hilltop, Brian Atlas has reversed human history, the course of human history.
04:01:54.180
No woman ever breaks up with a guy to work on herself, but she leaves him for greener
04:01:59.960
pastures, dot, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, dot, my ex-wife, bluffed to divorce
04:02:05.540
to change me, dot, didn't work, saved me 50 grams a year.
04:02:20.520
Hey, this is, Clayton, by the way, that guy's a legend, let me tell you.
04:02:23.940
I, that guy's a fucking legend, Clayton, that guy's legend.
04:03:42.040
I'm going to be checking in every week for that tribute.
04:03:48.080
And if you're late, like, in fact, I shouldn't even have to check in.
04:03:52.960
Like, you should just be sending that unprompted.
04:03:57.120
I think you should get into, well, it's not Femdom.
04:04:04.540
So, yeah, you could just, you should just get, make an OnlyFans.
04:04:07.660
I don't think women, like, I know we're joking on the podcast about, I don't think women
04:04:32.520
The culture is, like, men paying women for sex.
04:04:35.200
Or, you know, even men paying for, like, trans women or men paying for men.
04:04:42.140
But the culture of, like, women paying for men.
04:04:51.660
If I was going to support equal rights, I would believe that, like, the first step should
04:05:06.520
You said you wanted to want to reverse us, but I didn't get to throw it.
04:05:23.720
I wish I got hundreds only, but I get one sometimes.
04:05:51.040
You know, all that cash is just from some other guys.
04:06:01.480
Well, I mean, you know, there are definitely women who regret getting divorced.
04:06:08.060
But, hey, you know, look, I think I'm doing, you know, I'm doing a service.
04:06:11.600
I feel like a lot of men out there, they want to see, I don't know, never mind.
04:06:25.860
There's something we were supposed to react to.
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Thank you for the, looks like you bought a t-shirt.
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Drop us a Prime sub if you're enjoying the stream.
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It's been 23 minutes since we last had a Prime sub.
04:07:18.600
Bay Dote, looks like you bought a hoodie on the merch store.
04:07:25.980
Yeah, guys, if you want to get some merch, shop.whatever.com.
04:07:35.340
I was going to wear the big labia matter one today.
04:07:44.820
You've been asking if I had a labiaplasty at the club yesterday.
04:08:11.900
As somebody who only dates women with large labias, this is a...
04:08:17.280
I mean, you say you only date women with large labias, but you don't want them to fuck on
04:08:30.180
But I feel like, would you continue seeing someone seriously?
04:08:36.560
So logically, for example, you would agree that it could be possible that a woman who's
04:08:43.880
Like, it's logically possible that a woman, or maybe that's extreme, a woman who's maybe
04:08:54.920
She could have some intention in the sense that she really prefers long-term relationships,
04:09:02.180
Like, she doesn't just, you know, go out looking for one-night stands.
04:09:05.460
She doesn't go to bars and clubs and has drunken, you know, whatever.
04:09:08.640
She's like, no, I'm like, want a long-term relationship.
04:09:16.980
I think that that can be completely consistent.
04:09:22.320
Can it be an indicator of, you know, it can be?
04:09:29.740
So I, you know, generally, probably a bit rare for virgins to want to, like, first time.
04:09:36.240
But I definitely think a lot of men, but, well, sure, definitely men, but even a lot
04:09:42.080
of women, like, they're losing their virginity story is, of course, consensually.
04:09:53.520
Losing it to someone who you don't want to be with.
04:09:55.320
Like, I think a lot of women don't, you know, they'll lose it.
04:09:58.340
I think a lot of women just kind of lose it, you know?
04:10:07.520
I'm not saying all women, but there's definitely, like, yes, a good amount of women who...
04:10:13.440
I don't really care about waiting, but I, you know, I want it to be a guy, a good guy
04:10:18.940
I do wish I didn't just rip the Band-Aid off, though, when I was younger, but I think
04:10:25.760
And I think a lot of women who did rip the Band-Aid off like that probably agree.
04:10:30.660
They're like, I wish my first time was different, you know?
04:10:36.860
I don't hate my first time, but I also wish that maybe I had, like, waited a little while
04:10:43.180
and, like, had done it, you know, maybe with my first boyfriend or whatever.
04:10:48.740
Not that I got coerced into it or that I didn't want to do it.
04:10:51.980
It was with somebody that was, like, a few years older than me, and I was a teenager.
04:10:58.260
Like, they should have known better than to, like, even have put me in that situation type
04:11:06.800
I asked you about virginity and woman fucking on the first date.
04:11:27.600
I'm trying to remember what we were going on about.
04:12:21.500
I think we were talking about your first time, Brian.
04:12:37.260
Brian, if you were forced to date one of these women.
04:12:46.420
If you want to ask a question, as a read, it's $100.
04:12:53.200
And then TTS, where it comes in more quickly, that is $199 and up.
04:12:58.540
I'm trying to recall, actually, because there's something I wanted to say on the sleeping with
04:13:04.740
somebody quick or whatever, but I kind of forgot what led us there.
04:13:09.960
Chat, what was the conversational thread before the sleeping with somebody on the first date
04:13:24.380
We're talking about, wait, we're talking about labia, I think?
04:13:29.380
We're talking about my affinity for large labia.
04:13:39.440
Well, I think because I'm autistic, I might just ask.
04:13:55.940
So, I don't think there's a definitive way to tell.
04:14:13.120
I do think that there is, like, maybe something, like, sometimes it can be tied to their facial
04:14:33.580
Like, okay, so this isn't 100% the time, but I think it's more likely.
04:14:38.980
So, taller women, it's not like, okay, if you're a taller woman, you 100% have a larger labia.
04:14:46.100
But I think taller women tend to be, have larger labia.
04:14:53.080
Although, look, I, you know, I've been with a tall woman and it was an innie, so whatever.
04:15:03.560
But I've been with some other tall women and they got out.
04:15:07.320
That's great that you know what innie's and outies are.
04:15:11.940
I don't think many women know there's innie's and outies from what I've talked to.
04:15:22.600
Raise your hand at the table if you have a large labia.
04:15:38.440
Yeah, that's why someone asked if I had a labia.
04:15:41.040
Wait, if someone asked if you had a labiaplasty, wouldn't that mean removing?
04:15:49.360
Yeah, labiaplasty usually means reducing the Audi.
04:15:52.980
If you had an Audi, I don't think a guy would...
04:15:54.940
I don't feel like he would ask you that if you had an Audi.
04:15:58.540
He said it was so large that he thought I had it done.
04:16:23.360
Do you really expect for him to fully know what a labiaplasty is?
04:16:53.380
Yeah, because in porn, it's like typical that in porn, women have inies from what I've seen.
04:17:06.060
That might have been the case, like, if you go way back to, like, print.
04:17:13.760
But, like, I would say porn that has existed since the 2000s.
04:17:40.540
You know, if it's been a minute, you know, you just...
04:17:47.680
And trust me, there's a lot of women with some large labia out there.
04:18:03.680
In fact, there's, like, actually, there's, like, people are specifically fans of the large
04:18:27.360
I mean, I've never been asked if my pussy was fake till yesterday in my, like, two years
04:19:31.540
Let's see if there's anything else for Lexi, though.
04:20:39.460
Misrepresenting your intentions to get sex is rape.
04:23:34.960
but I don't think it meets the threshold of rape.
04:23:53.960
okay, well, if the guy lies about his intentions,
04:25:38.860
I couldn't invalidate what we do believe it is.
04:26:04.880
But I at least think that maybe the minimum threshold is
04:26:20.820
than just the sexual encounter with them, you know?
04:26:40.660
But, I don't know, and I think part of it, though,
04:26:49.360
listen, Brian, I'll fuck you once, but that's it,
04:27:02.760
they're like, okay, I just want to sleep with a girl once.
04:27:08.200
Some women are happy with just casual hookup, whatever.
04:27:20.780
And then also, I don't know if this resonates with any of you,
04:27:26.160
ultimately going to be the girl that, you know,
04:27:29.820
I don't think, like, if your motivation is strictly sex,
04:27:32.920
I don't think the first time you have sex with somebody,
04:27:37.300
and for some of these men, that would be the only time,
04:27:40.020
I don't think that's going to be, like, good sex necessarily.
04:27:44.540
It's not going to be the best sex that you could have with that person
04:27:47.400
because I think, one, I think sex is better when you actually have a connection.
04:28:00.100
Also, just from, like, a practical perspective,
04:28:03.660
well, one, you get more comfortable with the person.
04:28:11.720
But also, just, if you've had sex with somebody a whole bunch,
04:28:22.820
The sex is just better in all kinds of different dynamics.
04:28:36.420
Um, I do think, though, that we should have the equivalent counterpart to this.
04:28:45.540
Um, I think women creating a facade as to their appearance.
04:28:55.460
So, I do think it's the case that through the use of either makeup or plastic surgery,
04:29:02.340
or, I mean, it could even be, like, online catfishing, not in the sense that, like, you'll
04:29:12.980
So, like, women will use filters or they'll Photoshop.
04:29:16.100
And, you know, you might change, like, the shape of your body or you might change your
04:29:20.240
I think that, I don't think that that's, that's like, you're kind of lying about your appearance.
04:29:27.140
Men are, I don't think I need to tell any of you, men are visual creatures.
04:29:37.040
Okay, well, uh, what if the, what, okay, well, guys will know if you're wearing makeup,
04:29:49.860
I think minimal makeup can make a difference, actually, in terms of their attraction to
04:29:58.160
But, but I, I do think that also, even if the guy consciously, like, the guy knows exactly
04:30:04.340
what you're wearing, like, exactly what you're doing.
04:30:06.720
Or if I say, I've had all this lip filler and my eyes done and my boobs done.
04:30:10.140
But, like, if I look at a woman and I'm like, okay, she's wearing, uh, blush.
04:30:19.040
Like, even if I know every single thing the woman's doing, there's, like, a subconscious
04:30:27.740
Uh, even if he acknowledges and knows that you're wearing makeup and he can make some
04:30:32.380
guess as to, eh, she probably doesn't look as good without the makeup.
04:30:39.540
There's, like, this subconscious, like, that initial first impression isn't immediately
04:30:45.780
dissipated or diminished, even if you acknowledge that she is wearing makeup.
04:30:51.400
So, like, makeup is this really, I think makeup is more powerful than a guy lying that he's
04:31:08.520
Like, I think me, if I were to lie and say I'm a brain surgeon and it was believable or
04:31:14.300
whatever, the impact on the attraction, like, the level of attraction that a woman's going
04:31:22.540
Like, if I tell a girl I work at McDonald's versus I'm a brain surgeon, I think the woman's
04:31:32.060
But, like, I think that the difference in attraction that makeup will provide for women
04:31:41.240
I don't think there's anything men can do that even compares to, like, the difference
04:31:48.040
in attraction that, like, cosmetics and makeup can elicit in men.
04:32:12.120
I've looked at a guy very differently when he's wearing a hat versus not.
04:32:15.700
I have seen pretty profound, like, hair transformations.
04:32:20.540
They go to the barber and their hair is fucked up.
04:32:22.820
And then they get, like, I don't know, the fuckboy lettuce or whatever.
04:32:25.880
And, like, they look, yeah, they do look better.
04:32:30.520
I think that's, like, the only equivalent that a man can do.
04:32:32.620
But I don't know if that's as strong as makeup.
04:32:38.080
Yeah, like, how do you feel about, like, a man getting a hair transplant?
04:32:45.860
Because, like, plastic surgery would be, like, plastic surgery.
04:32:49.420
What if a man, like, goes to Turkey and gets a hair transplant?
04:32:53.360
I feel like a toupee is a better comparison to makeup.
04:32:56.060
Because a toupee you can, like, remove and then it's very different.
04:32:59.280
I think, so, I think with the hair transplant, it's different.
04:33:07.140
So, for example, like, my hair as it currently is, I don't know, in five, I'll probably eventually
04:33:13.260
start, like, you know, getting, you know, losing hair or whatever.
04:33:16.240
Um, I think with a hair transplant, it's returning you to a point in time.
04:33:23.840
Ah, but I feel like, well, I'll just, I'll just say the argument.
04:33:31.340
It's returning you to a point in time that, like, somebody having a, like, a normal hairline
04:33:40.080
or whatever is something that can naturally occur or was naturally occurring when they
04:33:45.660
Whereas, like, eyeliner, I mean, I get, eyeliner, that doesn't occur naturally in nature.
04:33:56.060
No, I mean, like, apples to apples, like, plastic surgery.
04:33:58.080
Like, let's say a woman, like, gets, like, a liposuction or something, like, like, after,
04:34:01.720
like, pregnancy and she, like, gets, like, wants to revert her body back to, like, what it
04:34:13.360
Well, I don't think there's, like, a, I don't know if this is a compelling argument.
04:34:19.780
There's not, like, a natural way to, like, suction fat cells out of you.
04:34:24.960
But I would also say, like, for example, lipo belly, that never, your belly can never look
04:34:35.620
There is a distinct effect on the midsection, the, the torso, the belly area, uh, with lipo
04:34:50.720
So there, to be fair, there are some that are better than others.
04:34:54.980
But even the good ones, you can still kind of tell.
04:35:01.360
And there's, like, the appearance of, I don't know if exactly how to articulate it.
04:35:06.540
Maybe it's, like, it looks, sometimes there's a bit of lumps or there's, like, uh...
04:35:20.400
And so for that reason, I don't know if liposuction is a completely fair comparison.
04:35:27.240
What about a breast, like, a really good boob job?
04:35:35.160
If your boobs sag over time, you get them put back up.
04:35:39.880
That's kind of the same thing that you're saying.
04:35:42.380
Yeah, well, I would say that, at least with implants, uh, I don't think that...
04:35:49.620
So, a woman with natural breasts, implants don't perfectly recreate how that looks.
04:35:59.820
Like, you can kind of tell when there are implants.
04:36:19.620
See, I think you can't really tell who's got a boob job.
04:36:26.180
Some people are just born really fucking lucky.
04:36:34.440
I'll tell you everything I got done is not bad.
04:36:36.660
You'll see a lot of fake stuff, but you will see some natural...
04:36:41.480
Yeah, I'm like, damn, you're in, like, the one percentile of people.
04:37:10.060
Yeah, but it's not, like, surgery to, like, make them bigger.
04:37:13.060
No, but they make them look different than they did beforehand.
04:37:26.980
As men, we should be 100% honest about our intentions, bank balance, and career.
04:37:49.860
We got some videos from her we're going to react to.
04:37:52.980
So we'll just pull that up really quick, I guess.
04:38:26.640
I'm unattractive when I literally pay my bills by being hot.
04:38:33.720
But like, you know, there's a lot of simp men out there.
04:38:39.900
And there's also a lot of really attractive men who like me as well.
04:38:47.180
I'm not, you know, making a statement about your looks.
04:38:49.440
I'm just saying, like, a girl could not be attractive and still make money online.
04:39:04.960
What's the incentive to give that woman money if they don't find her attractive?
04:39:13.100
Just they want to be financially dominated and they don't really care whether the woman's
04:39:17.900
If they have a lot of options, though, wouldn't they want to choose the best one?
04:39:26.280
If that's the case, then, I mean, why would anybody buy OnlyFans at all?
04:39:33.380
Because, like, there's, like, hours and hours of, like, free pornography available of, like...
04:39:43.920
Like, trust me, there's women who are, like, way more attractive than she is and they're
04:39:48.680
doing, like, hardcore porn and it's available for free.
04:39:51.200
Or solo content and it's all available for free.
04:39:54.840
So, it's like, there's another component there.
04:39:58.580
By the way, I'm not saying Sophie Raine is, like, unattractive.
04:40:16.340
She's more attractive comparatively than I am, but I don't think she's, like, here at...
04:40:24.980
Here at University of Santa Barbara, California, Santa Barbara City College, like, I see women
04:40:30.180
more attractive than Sophie Raine all the time.
04:40:34.260
Well, I'm saying, I don't think she's anything special, but there's another component there.
04:40:43.140
I gotta get up, you guys continue on with the con, though.
04:40:46.060
You are a beautiful woman, but I've worked at clubs for a while, and I've seen really unattractive
04:40:52.760
women get hired at certain clubs I've worked at, and they will make the most money than
04:40:57.060
the prettiest woman in the room, because their personality is good.
04:41:07.780
Like, I know a girl who makes a lot of money without her face showing on OnlyFans.
04:41:14.700
I think attractive can be both physical and also, like, your personality.
04:41:18.180
I think that's what draws people to OnlyFans is, like, most of my promotion and marketing
04:41:22.860
is, like, just me being some fucking dude online.
04:41:26.160
Like, I just shitpost online, and people just like that.
04:41:30.060
Well, I'm saying, I think you're beautiful, but also you don't have to be beautiful to
04:41:39.160
I always say that, though, because a lot of men don't like women with tattoos, and I
04:41:44.860
Like, some men will think that's really unattractive, and other men will pay the most money at a
04:41:50.220
club or on OnlyFans for me than other girls who don't have tattoos for that reason, because
04:41:57.080
Like, some will be disgusted, and others will love it.
04:42:00.440
So, it's kind of, like, subjective to the person.
04:42:06.000
I think it's, you know, it's okay as a woman to think that you're attractive.
04:42:12.060
Like, to see beauty in yourself, to see your own attractiveness, to be able to align with
04:42:17.100
it, and also to, like, resonate with that and elevate it, whether it's through exercise
04:42:25.800
Or, you know, even if you want to take it a little further, get some filler in your lips,
04:42:31.720
or you want to get a lipo, or you want to do whatever.
04:42:34.840
If it's something that makes you feel like a complete person, and, like, you're fully
04:42:40.120
in the image of who you want to be, like, don't let someone else's condemnation stop
04:42:48.240
Because, at the end of the day, your opinion is more important than whatever discretion
04:42:55.880
But a lot of people, their reservations with plastic surgery, I think, are valid.
04:43:00.620
You know, beyond just, like, the aesthetics, it is risky.
04:43:09.820
It can lead to all kinds of, like, psychological things.
04:43:50.560
You should make an OnlyFans just to see what happens.
04:43:53.440
And just to be like, hey, guys, I'll do fin-dom.
04:44:21.460
Then we're going to come back to some of the reacts.
04:44:44.340
Yeah, I took her vest off, so she's not working.
04:44:47.520
But I just, you know, if I call her over, then she'll leave for her.
04:44:56.960
This is something I can't believe I haven't done before.
04:45:00.100
Ask everyone to write their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
04:45:03.960
Before you give your answers, I'm going to give new instructions.
04:45:11.060
So if I had done the money thing, 273 episodes times 300.
04:45:18.280
I would have made $54,000 in cash if I freaking hustled.
04:45:33.600
I want everyone to put their hands out like, or palms out and close your eyes.
04:45:49.380
Rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10 using your fingers.
04:46:36.340
Okay, so we got a nine, a nine, a ten, and an eight.
04:46:42.400
I will spare the fives of my fury and wrath, but I will draw my attention to the nine, the
04:46:55.180
Can you tell me a woman who you can, like a celebrity or something, who you think is a
04:47:01.240
Well, the first thing I thought of is someone that I've been compared that I look like.
04:47:17.740
Okay, well, originally I was at 8.5, and I think, can I go with 8.5?
04:47:46.100
I mean, she wears a lot of makeup, but even with all the makeup, she's...
04:47:50.660
I mean, hey, if you think she's a nine, then that's fine.
04:48:09.900
Tell us another woman who you think is a 10, like a celebrity or somebody.
04:48:44.240
I feel like that's worse than just calling someone a mean name.
04:49:16.400
You said you were an eight here on the questionnaire, but now you upgraded to a nine.
04:49:36.800
I guess my question is, why don't average women just think that they're average?
04:51:27.720
I mean, I love women, so I would say, yeah, I would agree with that.
04:51:32.060
I can name plenty male 10s if you want to go there.
04:51:44.000
Well, I don't think there are 10s, but I would say...
04:52:12.020
I'd say Ozzy, like, you know, maybe in his prime would be like an 8 or a 9.
04:52:37.280
Brian, if you ever get your own jet, let me know.
04:52:44.640
Private jets are pretty expensive, aren't they?
04:52:51.900
If I keep doming these girls for money or whatever, fin doming them, then, you know,
04:52:59.200
But there are some things I'm just not willing to do.
04:53:06.120
I don't think I've met a dancer named Corvette, if I'm honest.
04:53:26.960
What about, I don't know, I'm just pulling out stripper names on my...
04:53:53.180
And Jackson Dart, if you're watching, hit me up.
04:54:43.680
You have no masters tattooed here, but you just completely submitted.
04:54:57.740
Property of Brian, you're going to tattoo on your neck.
04:55:03.040
Actually, you're going to put a line through that.
04:55:41.420
Well, when he was young, he's not a bad looking guy.
04:56:09.280
Yeah, and I'm a big fan of the New York Giants, so I'm, like, biased, but...
04:56:31.800
Click on that one, and then go to the Wikipedia page.
04:56:45.760
Just click on that photo, and then scroll down.
04:56:58.480
Like, I don't know if that picture is just him trolling.
04:57:01.880
Like, he took that picture specifically for Wikipedia.
04:57:25.180
I guess we'll start with you then, since it's more...
04:58:10.980
I feel like I've seen the men are getting more evil for you.
04:59:21.720
But, like, in totality, are you his league or no?
04:59:37.320
NFL quarterback wants to date an average girl in college.
04:59:46.620
No, but, like, I mean, like, average, like, it's just, like, I don't have a status.
04:59:53.480
I think if we were put in the same room together...
05:00:17.560
I don't think having sex with a guy is pulling a guy.
05:00:20.780
I think getting a guy into a relationship is pulling a guy.
05:00:25.620
Because, like, you can sleep with anybody, really.
05:00:30.300
When they say that they pull girls, do they mean, like, they're dating a lot of girls?
05:00:38.200
Well, I think if a guy can have sex with a woman, he can...
05:00:43.940
Again, when I'm talking here, I'm talking in generalities.
05:00:48.260
So, if a guy can have sex with a woman, I believe that he has a high probability, a high capacity.
05:00:55.420
If he wants a relationship, I think he can get her into a relationship.
05:01:01.980
Of course, there's instances where, okay, the girl, she just wants to fuck and whatever.
05:01:11.560
But even that is less common, is more rare than men just wanting to fuck.
05:01:18.460
So, I think, like, for example, for me, if I can sleep with a girl, I have a strong level of confidence that I can get her into a relationship.
05:01:26.020
And you guys can think back to your own experiences.
05:01:30.980
I don't think women can be as confident in this regard.
05:01:34.960
If you can sleep with a man, how confident are you that you can get him into a relationship?
05:01:49.800
But even then, even if you think you're dealing with a guy who's on your lead or whatever, do you feel like if you sleep with him, are you really confident that you can get that guy into a relationship?
05:02:08.500
I don't think men look for relationships like that, though.
05:02:10.720
Yeah, men are certain that's what they're looking for.
05:02:14.400
Maybe if he does the right thing, if he follows, like, these certain cues, then it's like, okay, well, maybe he does want to have something more.
05:02:22.420
You know, he's like, oh, you know, you call me an Uber or you want to go on a second date or you text me the next day telling me how much fun you had.
05:02:37.140
I think when it comes, if we're using the term pull, I think a man pulling a woman, that's just sleeping with her.
05:02:47.560
As a woman, when you pull a guy, it's not just you fucked him.
05:02:59.080
How deep does the relationship have to be for this to be a qualifying factor?
05:03:08.820
What if it's for a month and it's a situationship?
05:03:13.720
That's not the threshold for success for women.
05:03:17.140
So a monogamous relationship is the threshold for women.
05:03:26.760
You pulled her if you penetrated her, I suppose.
05:03:59.700
I guess related to this football guy, how, like, I feel like you're pining over this guy.
05:04:09.340
This is the only celebrity crush I've ever had in my life.
05:04:17.640
Like, if you took all that away, like, I mean, I just love the Giants.
05:04:23.520
Why don't you slide in his DMs and remove all doubt?
05:04:30.920
Well, he's kind of, like, talking to a girl now, so.
05:04:43.880
I think you should support me in my endeavors, Brian.
05:04:46.640
I would love to see women being a bit more realistic with their looks ratings, you know?
05:05:07.980
I think the primary thing holding me back is I just need to lose weight.
05:05:23.660
Uh, where you just narrow it, like, you only eat within an 8-hour window.
05:05:37.060
Oh, I mean, I don't make it a habit to rate people.
05:05:43.700
I could, well, Jimmy Fallon has a little, has a wife.
05:06:07.240
Well, I mean, if you don't want me to do it, just say it, and I won't.
05:06:25.860
I need to start learning all the, like, the looks, Maxxer terms or something, so I'll
05:06:46.980
This is going to sound super gay, but fuck it, whatever.
05:06:50.100
Um, you have, uh, you have, uh, you have a good, I'm looking in the screen.
05:07:17.840
Fuck, uh, I can't even think, I can't even, like, off the top of my head, think of any flaws
05:07:23.000
I think he's, uh, this is, hey, bro, he's looking, oh, what the fuck?
05:07:34.720
I'm per, like, this is more so just an aesthetic thing.
05:07:40.980
Personally, it's not my favorite, but that's just, that's a, like, aesthetic preference
05:07:45.300
I think you need to bring more of the hair a little bit forward, but, um.
05:07:50.960
I think the only, honestly, like, the only flaw I see would be you could have, like, slightly
05:07:59.300
Um, and look, as somebody who has, I, um, like, you're, both your bottom and your top
05:08:06.600
Absent that, like, I, I can't actually think of really any criticisms.
05:08:11.160
I could put you, you into, like, a face looks maxing thing and, like, get off your, let
05:08:19.680
I think perhaps you're, uh, you're, oh, my God, bro, what's it called?
05:08:25.780
I, I'm going to start learning these terms so I can, like, give the people actually good,
05:08:31.340
I think there's a, slightly the gap between your eyes.
05:08:35.160
It, it, it, it's, like, way more intense than I said before.
05:08:40.760
The interpupillary, your interpupillary difference is a little bit off, but otherwise, dude, you're,
05:08:47.200
I, you're a solid, I think you're a solid, like, 7.5, to be honest.
05:08:57.800
Damn, I didn't know we were going that intense.
05:09:44.940
Yeah, I was, like, maybe, like, a quick, you know, one, two.
05:09:53.120
So, a bit of, I would say one thing is your skin.
05:09:56.860
Like, the complexion could use a bit of improvement.
05:09:59.140
Uh, I'll give you some compliments, too, though.
05:10:02.260
Um, are you pursing your lips, or just being, your lips?
05:10:07.060
Uh, decent lips, although could be a little bit fuller.
05:10:10.020
Um, I think the face, the, the, the face shape is decent ramus, decent, uh, projection on
05:10:21.080
the lower third, but you have unequal, uh, lower, you have unequal thirds, so your, your
05:10:29.360
Um, you also do have, uh, a bit of a aquiline, a large nose.
05:10:34.040
As somebody, I also have a large nose, and it's something I, I do notice about myself
05:10:38.740
and other people, um, typically, um, even, I, I, I think large noses sometimes can look
05:10:46.820
okay on men, although I personally, I don't personally like my nose, but I think it, especially
05:10:53.820
Some men can get away with a big nose, but I think for women, definitely a large, a large
05:10:58.540
nose, a kind of a, you know, the, it's, it's, it's a bit bulbous.
05:11:11.160
Um, pale, you're a bit pale, so I think, uh, that, that's very, very pale, but I mean,
05:11:20.220
I think you have natural Valyrian blonde German dragon master hair.
05:11:27.460
Um, and, um, you kind of do have dragon master.
05:11:42.920
Um, I, I think this isn't actually anything to do with your actual looks, but I think generally
05:11:49.340
speaking, I don't think men really enjoy the, the piercings, especially already having, you
05:11:57.560
know, uh, I think having the, you know, having a big nose, I think it's going to draw some,
05:12:13.920
Um, I have talked a lot about my nose on my Tik TOK cause I have gotten so many hate comments
05:12:19.300
I get so many hate comments and I've been bullied for it and I was going to get a nose
05:12:23.280
job and right before I was actually going to have a sugar daddy pay for it.
05:12:27.000
He offered, I didn't, I didn't even fucking ask.
05:12:29.320
I love my nose and actually I have, I have nose fetish people.
05:12:33.440
So I get people who pay me because they find my nose so attractive.
05:12:40.080
Um, yeah, I've always wondered where all the women who like big noses are, but anyways,
05:12:44.860
um, as somebody who has a big nose, but, um, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
05:12:50.120
Uh, the thirds, I think I talked about the thirds.
05:12:53.280
I think the eyebrows could be a little more pronounced.
05:12:57.800
Uh, the shape is good, but they're a bit, I mean, well, it's also just your hair color
05:13:10.460
That was the only thing we were actually looking for.
05:13:15.180
I'm pretty comfortable giving you, I think either a five or a four point.
05:13:25.040
I'd say you're like average looking and that's not, that's not an insult, but, um, uh, at
05:13:37.620
For you, do you want just the rating or should I give you like the breakdown?
05:13:46.960
So your inter pupillary distance is a bit, um, off.
05:13:51.120
Like you don't, uh, I think you're, I don't know if you pluck your eyebrows, but very much.
05:13:58.700
No, I think you should just go natural with the, uh, with the eyebrows.
05:14:02.400
I mean, you can shape them, but I, I don't think the draw, I think drawing on, uh, I
05:14:11.440
So you have a, your mid face is a bit like, like, so when we're talking about, when we're
05:14:19.080
talking about facial thirds, it's like mouth down mouth to eyes and eyes to top of forehead.
05:14:25.600
So you have a long mid face a little bit, um, long mid face would be like eyes to mouth.
05:14:32.420
So like the, the center of your, your center third is, um, you, you have nice teeth.
05:14:44.480
You have, uh, your lower third is actually, can you turn your head?
05:14:48.660
You have a, you have, uh, have you had any like, uh, like, no, I have like really defined
05:14:59.560
You have good cheekbones, uh, good, good jawline, good jawline.
05:15:05.080
Um, maybe a slight, uh, what's the, what's the term?
05:15:13.980
I think you might have like slight negative cancel tilt.
05:15:30.000
Like I didn't want it to be like, it looks really good.
05:15:35.080
I think it looks good, but it was, it was corrective.
05:15:39.940
I had a deviated septum and I was on Accutane for my acne.
05:15:42.840
If you look at my old TikToks, like you'd see, and, uh, it shrunk my nose actually.
05:15:47.260
Which is why I'm like always congested too, is because, yeah, it shrunk my nose, like
05:15:51.340
canals and they were too small with the deviated septum that my nose like wouldn't drain and
05:15:56.680
I had deviated septum surgery too, but they didn't.
05:16:05.500
You had a bit of like under eye area and I don't know if you've had that treated or whatever,
05:16:09.340
but, um, maybe there's still a bit of that lingering a little bit, but otherwise, uh, yeah.
05:16:15.200
So I give you a, uh, I think you're a 5.75, maybe a six.
05:16:32.880
Some of the chats, chat says I'm a bit, uh, generous or whatever.
05:16:56.280
Is your hair like tied up or do you have a buzzed head or.
05:17:15.580
Um, I would say probably the, you want the rating.
05:17:19.740
I mean, do I have to take my wig off to get the rating?
05:17:26.000
The, the facial tattoos, that's going to have like an impact, but I'll try to give you a rating
05:17:30.080
kind of like ignoring the facial tat, the face tattoos.
05:17:34.320
I think generally speaking, most people have an, uh, an aesthetic inclination against, uh,
05:17:45.360
So like, if you were to wipe that off, the eyebrows are gone.
05:17:49.400
I think natural eyebrows, uh, even if you, you know, line them a little bit or whatever,
05:17:54.000
I think it's superior to, to completely drawn on eyebrows.
05:17:59.960
Um, you, you're a little bit, uh, I would say slightly, although you've had lip filler,
05:18:13.180
What about in the bottom lip or just the top lip or both?
05:18:22.940
It literally is hyaluronic acid, which is a moisturizer.
05:18:26.440
Um, they're just putting it inside and so on the top.
05:18:38.900
So I'm, I'm about a decade older than most everyone at the table.
05:18:44.120
I don't know how old you are, but, um, you know, when I was younger, I have very full
05:18:49.160
I had very everything, you know, as you get older, you do have to contend with things.
05:18:59.800
That's one of the biggest signs of aging is thinning lips.
05:19:05.600
Maybe I'm wrong, but, um, that's why women get, that's why the fillers are called Juvederm
05:19:14.120
Um, I guess to continue the rating though, um, I think you, you don't have, uh, equal facial
05:19:23.060
So, uh, I think not quite as pronounced as her.
05:19:26.960
Um, you have a bit of a longer, a slightly longer mid face.
05:19:31.480
Um, you do have, you do have a bit of a bulbous, you have a bigger nose, right?
05:19:43.320
You think if I got a nose job, I would get this nose?
05:19:46.840
Well, I mean, maybe there was a hump, but you got rid of it.
05:19:51.740
I had a consultation for a nose job and the doctor told me, he's like, you have very balanced
05:20:01.600
This is like, you know, how much you would benefit from it.
05:20:06.180
Cause it was like, I'm not, I'm kind of, you know, you become content with your features
05:20:13.780
I think, well, for me as a woman, you know, especially after getting the Juvederm and doing
05:20:19.780
my skincare and all that, like, no, I'm saying it was a process.
05:20:23.880
Like when I was younger, I had a, I had a very low self-esteem when I was younger.
05:20:34.540
But then you realize like, as you get older, especially as a woman, you have control over
05:20:41.160
Like you could throw on a wig, you could put, put a little makeup on.
05:20:45.440
You could, and I support men doing the same thing.
05:20:50.480
You, you'd be surprised how many men confide in me.
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I wish I could do this, but they can, I guess, but in society, I guess it depends on what,
05:21:03.980
but, um, I guess we'll just to move things on that.
05:21:06.660
I'll just finish up with the thing or whatever.
05:21:09.460
So, um, I mean, I think it is a bit more normal for, uh, you know, you don't expect like
05:21:14.800
super giga, like jawline, uh, women typically more round, softer features is more, can be
05:21:22.800
more like it can be more the aesthetic, but also I think women with more like sharper,
05:21:27.940
more defined features can also still be, uh, attractive even in the feminine way.
05:21:32.460
But I do think perhaps like the lower third, uh, maybe a little, uh, could, could be a bit
05:21:39.340
more, I don't know if it's a recessed maxillum, you know, but anyways, um, I would say, and
05:21:46.800
maybe the under eye area, but that's going to be normal with aging, you know, whatever.
05:21:51.360
But, um, yeah, I would say overall, it's hard to say you, I think you are wearing quite
05:21:57.260
You got, do you have fake lashes in, um, you're wearing, so it's, it's a bit hard to give a
05:22:03.920
Um, I'm going to go ahead and give you a, uh, I'll go ahead and give you, uh, 4.75 to
05:22:20.960
He's rating on his own scale of, based on what he is.
05:22:23.900
I think you're scrutinizing a little bit harder than I am, but I, you know, compared to your
05:22:31.140
own rating of yourself, like, we're going to have to go lower on that one then.
05:22:38.480
We're going to have to, we're going to have to change that a bit.
05:22:43.060
If I had used your scale, well, first of all, I wouldn't have gave you a 4.75, first
05:22:55.020
I would not scrutinize you the way that you scrutinize me.
05:23:01.600
Wait, but like, if I was going to judge you just based off of like what I would judge,
05:23:08.600
Like if I saw you at a bar and I was like, hmm, am I going to talk to this guy or not?
05:23:17.940
I would give you, I would give you at least a seven.
05:23:28.860
Not on this scale, whatever it's going to be using.
05:23:31.640
I'm saying for my scale, if I was going to use your scale, I might do something a little
05:23:35.160
bit lower, but based off of my scale, thinking about terms of, you know, why I gave myself
05:23:40.720
a 10, I would, on that same scale, I'd give you a seven.
05:23:44.160
I think you're being a bit generous, but thank you, I guess.
05:23:48.340
I think she's trying to throw more money at you.
05:23:51.980
And by the way, I'm not, I'm just, I'm not saying these things like as an attack on you
05:24:10.020
We just, I just think it's very funny because based on, like, you're saying that we're all
05:24:14.500
essentially on the same level as you and each other.
05:24:27.560
You think I'm one point higher than you, Brent?
05:24:29.200
I think there's an age component a little bit too, so.
05:24:49.340
Well, maybe we can get to that later after I finish up the ratings.
05:24:53.060
So, I mean, I wonder if you're just a stoner or that's how your eyes naturally look.
05:25:06.520
You have the permafried thing with your eyes a little bit.
05:25:14.740
But you do have your eye color is actually quite striking.
05:25:47.240
But, but, but I will say, my lips don't look different from pre-lip filler.
05:26:11.000
I don't know how your lips were naturally before the lip filler, but they are full currently.
05:26:29.500
I would say, I would change the hairstyle a little bit too.
05:26:39.380
But I want to say, I want to say, I give you a five.
05:26:52.720
Do I just, I feel like I'm taking, this segment's taking way too long.
05:26:58.960
He's writing the 12-page novel on everyone's looks, man.
05:27:02.160
He's writing the 12-page letter to each of us, genuinely.
05:27:07.300
I'm not going to rate Mary because she works for me.
05:27:28.280
I'm not trying to be super, super precise with it.
05:27:32.800
I think the tattoo, I'm trying to just do face.
05:27:35.900
So these guys are going to downrank you because of the tattoos and stuff.
05:27:40.760
I'm also not, like, considering body in this rating.
05:28:04.360
Just to wrap it up, I'll just give you the rating or whatever.
05:28:12.120
I don't typically, it's, like, we don't have many black girls on the show.
05:28:28.900
Because I feel like you almost have to look at it, like, you could look at it in totality,
05:28:35.800
but you could also look at it, like, amongst their race, amongst the race.
05:28:40.840
Like, looking at it from, like, a Eurocentric point of view versus, like.
05:28:44.140
Well, like, how do you stack up, like, in comparison to other black women, basically?
05:28:52.080
I said I thought I'm average, so I think I'm average.
05:29:12.780
Like, you think you're in the same league as everybody at the table, Brian.
05:29:18.200
That's within a point of everyone at the table.
05:29:21.620
To be fair, I mean, I can do, like, a criticism of my own looks.
05:29:26.660
I have, like, I think it, like, mild seboric dermatitis.
05:30:08.620
Hair, for my age, to be fair, I think is doing well.
05:30:12.160
But within a couple of years, I'm probably going to start losing a little bit of it.
05:30:29.760
If you see photos of me, jawline's not terrible, but jawline not, like, stunning.
05:30:35.380
And whatever these are, but that's, like, mostly fat or whatever.
05:30:52.120
But, like, I have a fatty face just because I'm fat at the moment.
05:31:09.680
But otherwise, like, decent facial harmony, decent facial symmetry.
05:31:15.280
And I have a, I have a bit more of a, I don't have, I'm not, like, giga chat over here.
05:31:55.760
You guys have had a bit of a flirtation tonight.
05:32:32.520
Let's, let's blast through all the reactions super quick.
05:32:41.600
So, really quick question going around the table.
05:32:43.520
Do you think you'll look, be, uh, better looking, just, uh, looks, in 10 years time?
05:32:50.400
Well, I understand it would be nice, but what do you think?
05:32:57.920
By the way, guys, stay tuned because once we finish up this section, we got other notes,
05:33:13.920
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time?
05:33:19.040
Well, assuming no surgery or whatever, better looking at 32.
05:33:43.460
No, uh, it's, I look way better than I did in my 20s because I was like really insecure.
05:33:53.600
It made me not think of myself as an attractive.
05:34:29.480
Um, uh, do you think you'll be better looking at 32?
05:35:01.200
Did you do anything that you injected into you?
05:35:14.940
I know that was a nose comment, because I get it all the time.
05:35:26.800
Is that what she's supposed to look like at 30?
05:35:56.300
Dude, you're gonna drive some motherfuckers wild.
05:36:10.280
It's funny how they turned your hair into a scarf.
05:36:15.040
We're gonna get right back to this, but it just popped up into my mind.
05:36:18.020
Was anybody here born not in the United States?
05:36:40.860
If the United States went to war with Kenya, assuming it's a morally neutral, blameless scenario, where do your loyalties lie?
05:36:58.620
With America, actually, because it would never be morally, you said morally blameless?
05:37:07.620
Well, knowing the government there and knowing how things are, like, with the people in power, I would not side with them.
05:37:16.460
So, yeah, the hypothetical would just be, it's completely neutral.
05:37:32.040
In that value-neutral scenario, which side would you support?
05:37:56.000
Now, to be clear, I feel like sometimes the way I maybe phrased it before makes it seem like, oh, I don't fuck France or whatever.
05:38:05.940
If France was in a conflict with some other nation, like, I don't know, if France went to war with, I don't know, Morocco or Algeria or some bullshit, I would like, then I'd be like, yes, cheering for France.
05:38:19.920
But if France went to war with the United States, there was a war, I would side with the United States.
05:38:26.000
Does anybody here, like, are their parents immigrants?
05:38:34.300
If the United States went to war with Chile, who, where, where do your loyalties lie?
05:39:34.660
You look Native American in the last one for some reason.
05:40:09.620
I don't look like Paul McCartney in the last one.
05:40:51.120
I'm going to do this podcast, and it's going to be...
05:40:56.340
Be like, you fucking in the retirement home, lady.
05:41:02.440
Did you know AIDS is actually really common in, like, retirement homes, and, like, STDs
05:41:22.780
So when you're looking at this, the question I want you to answer is, would you date the
05:41:40.140
I look a little bit too much like my dad and my brother, so I'm going to have to pass.
05:41:44.920
Yo, W2 whoever's in Discord doing these, because these are really good.
05:41:57.720
I look good, but I look a little bit too much like my dad and my brother.
05:42:05.360
Only because it reminds me a little bit too much of my dad and my brother, I'm going to
05:42:13.480
Assuming there's not, like, you're not fucking related and it's incest.
05:42:18.500
But I also don't date guys that, even if they're not related to me, but they look a little bit
05:43:40.220
It looks like he has pink eye on the second one.
05:43:59.000
Look, the AI, you got to do a little bit of, uh, be, be, what's the term?
05:44:04.940
Uh, the AI is not going to be perfect, you know?
05:44:07.360
So you got to give it a little bit of wiggle room.
05:44:21.440
If he's, what is this, fucking special ed or something?
05:44:53.780
No, I'd have to see him with long hair because I only date guys with, like, shoulder length.
05:45:34.920
Like, do you prefer to date black guys, white guys?
05:45:49.160
He looks like he's on the high school football team.
05:46:00.000
Why does he kind of look like Ryan Gosling in the last one?
05:46:46.780
The photo they're using could be with Diabolical.
05:47:09.620
Do you think that your female equivalent would have big labia?
05:47:30.080
We won't linger on any of them for too long, but we can give super brief commentary.
05:47:36.680
By the way, guys, like the video if you're enjoying the dream.
05:47:44.780
I talk a lot about celibacy and abstinence on here, and I want to make it very f***ing
05:47:49.040
clear every time that I do that I am not slut-shaming anybody other than maybe myself for not being
05:47:52.720
slutty enough because I tried very hard to be a slut.
05:47:57.360
It's just not who I am at my core, and that's totally fine.
05:48:03.320
I'm very easy where it's like, if I want to have sex with you and I want to keep having
05:48:12.880
If I don't want a relationship with somebody, I'm probably not going to have sex with them
05:48:16.160
or continue having sex with them because I'm not going to find them attractive after
05:48:24.240
I want to do it all the time, and I can't just do that with any person.
05:48:27.740
And so I could even be poly, but realistically, any number times zero is still zero.
05:48:33.840
I am kind of avoiding dating stuff because I lose my mind, and I am kind of cool just
05:48:40.120
If the right person rolls around, they are going to be very, very lucky.
05:48:51.520
Wait, did we miss the part about you saying that you...
05:48:58.080
Was that in that video, or is that a different video?
05:49:17.900
I would like to have a lot of sexual experiences, but I think that I'm just too sensitive at
05:49:35.720
I have had sex with people and outside of relationships and...
05:49:48.680
Well, I'm saying the emphasis being outside of relationships.
05:50:12.180
Well, you were also in an open relationship, or you tried Pauly or something, or...
05:50:19.820
I don't really get jealous, so I don't really feel the need to limit that.
05:50:26.180
I'm not specifically looking for it, but if it was with the right person, people, whatever,
05:50:37.260
Like, when you were Pauly, how many people were on the roster?
05:50:43.060
Did you date somebody who was Pauly, or maybe I'm thinking...
05:50:46.920
I just have friends who are Pauly, and I think that it's a cool idea.
05:51:03.240
To the guys that, like, cannot handle even just a little bit of bush.
05:51:06.720
Like, I've gotten so many comments on my Snapchat today that were like, you need to shave.
05:51:31.040
I mean, okay, so there's, like, the, more so the bush on the pubic area, but then, like,
05:51:45.020
But, I mean, if there's, like, a landing strip or whatever, I guess that's fine.
05:51:50.140
But I would say that's definitely not, like, that's totally fine.
05:51:54.380
But if it's, if you're asking me, like, total maximum preference, yeah, like, just fully
05:52:01.420
But, like, if there's some hair, then whatever.
05:52:03.800
Yeah, I think it was because I was, like, talking about, you know, just having any pubic
05:52:09.440
hair and then the guy, like, guys being like, it needs to be fully fucking bare, like, no
05:52:17.240
But if you're, like, parting the hair to, like.
05:52:58.380
Is it on the side of the pussy or above the pussy?
05:53:28.600
Do any of the women have a preference as it, like, relates to men?
05:53:41.200
Has anybody encountered, like, a wild jungle bush?
05:54:02.760
I never understood men that refuse to go down on women because it smells like fish, as
05:54:08.980
Like, if it smells like rotten fish, that's not normal.
05:54:12.100
But otherwise, just accept that you've got the palate of a five-year-old who refuses to
05:54:18.140
Okay, so I have my own take, but I'd like to hear from the panel.
05:54:23.140
So, a guy who doesn't go down on you, is that a deal-breaker?
05:54:54.600
It could potentially be a deal-breaker, depending on the context.
05:55:04.820
If a man doesn't like to eat pussy, that to me, that first thing I think is like, he's
05:55:40.920
I don't really like it, like having guys go down on me, but if it were a girl, it would
05:55:47.160
be a deal-breaker, but if it's a guy, then no, it's not a deal-breaker.
05:55:59.180
I guess my perspective on this is women are entitled to their preferences.
05:56:03.760
Me, personally, I guess my view, if a woman won't go down on me, that it's kind of a
05:56:12.300
bummer, but it's not a deal-breaker if she doesn't want to do that.
05:56:16.120
I don't think that would be 100% like, oh, okay, I don't want to date you then.
05:56:20.240
But I understand that whether you're a man or a woman, and this is like something that
05:56:24.620
you need to feel sexually gratified, satisfied, I think that that's valid.
05:56:29.940
I disagree with it, but I think you're welcome to have your preference.
05:56:34.200
I do think, though, getting into the meat of this debate.
05:56:52.220
You're doing it in a bit humorous way, but I'm assuming your actual views on it are pretty
05:56:58.240
I think that men, just like women, are allowed to have sexual boundaries.
05:57:02.360
And I don't think if somebody doesn't want to participate in a certain sex act, that this
05:57:11.000
If a woman didn't want to have anal sex, I don't think we need to like shame her for
05:57:17.100
If a woman didn't want to give oral sex, I don't think like that needs to be a source
05:57:28.080
I think for me, the main thing is like, if you expect me to go down on you, you better
05:57:36.400
And I also think that it's just, it's like, why would you expect something of me that
05:57:43.920
I think that's just, for me, that's a relationship boundary.
05:57:46.660
If you're not willing to go down on me, why the fuck would I want to go down on you?
05:57:51.560
No, but I think with that, when it comes to oral sex, that is something that I think
05:57:59.180
Like, um, do you think the standard would be like, let's say, uh, as it relates to anal
05:58:05.940
sex, if a woman was desirous of, uh, having receptive anal sex, do you think she should
05:58:12.420
be like, well, you should be as the man, you should be willing to let me peg you.
05:58:16.240
I don't think that that's, that's how I feel a little bit.
05:58:21.820
It's like, if I'm going to be doing something like that, that that's vulnerable, I would like
05:58:34.460
So if you want to fuck my ass, bend over, baby.
05:58:41.140
I think though that, uh, I, I, I mean, there's two kind of places I have on this, but I, I
05:58:50.040
think that it's okay to like want to, or enjoy receiving head, but not give head.
05:58:59.420
And for some other people, I'm sure that that's a relationship that they're okay with.
05:59:03.880
I'm not saying for everybody, like if you don't enjoy, or if you aren't able to at least
05:59:09.200
participate in giving and you only want to receive, you know, that's, that's your own
05:59:19.640
Like if it's something that as a woman, you look, there are women who, who give head,
05:59:25.120
who they, they give it, but you know, it's kind of maybe not their favorite thing.
05:59:32.560
And then there's women who like, they have to give head.
05:59:36.760
Um, I think that if that, if I guess even in either situation, if they're like, Oh, uh,
05:59:44.340
I'm not going to give head because he won't give head when they otherwise would, that
05:59:49.200
seems a bit, I think that goes into like the, yeah, the sexual, the thing we were talking
05:59:54.120
about earlier, the sexual, uh, or what it refusing sex for whatever.
05:59:59.580
I think then you should just not be in a relationship together if that's how you guys
06:00:02.600
Well, if it's a deal breaker, I suppose, but I think if you otherwise would give oral
06:00:09.240
That seems a bit, that seems like it's a deal breaker.
06:00:14.180
I think it's like you could, but I, I don't know.
06:00:17.040
Um, but the other thing is, I think with oral sex, there's a, there's definitely a difference
06:00:33.760
I think it's a bigger deal, um, to, uh, it's a bigger ask for a guy to go down on
06:00:42.740
We're not going to agree with that, but you know, can you explain that?
06:00:50.680
You could just focus on the head, I guess, you know, you don't got to fucking choke on
06:00:54.440
the cock over, miss choke on the cock over here.
06:00:57.040
But anyway, he's going to teach you some lessons in sucking dick.
06:01:08.100
But I think, okay, so, I think, so assuming like that there's, hold on.
06:01:20.760
There's a, there's a biological asymmetry between men and women.
06:01:26.820
Um, so like, okay, if a man has sex, everything ends up on the outside of him.
06:01:36.500
Well, I guess this is relating to sex and, well, I guess I'll start here with, okay, so
06:01:45.160
a shower, if a man showers, he essentially resets things immediately.
06:01:51.560
Uh, within minutes, there's nothing lingering there.
06:02:01.800
You're not, well, you're not really supposed to like.
06:02:33.260
Just the, the physiological, biological reality.
06:02:41.560
And so, just like the actual, um, uh, well, I mean, how many, there's so many different
06:02:48.440
I guess one thing here would be, let's say you're not in the confines of a serious relationship.
06:02:58.060
Some other semen could be there and all that fun shit.
06:03:00.180
If I, yeah, if I sleep with another woman and I go take a shower and I soap up, I could
06:03:05.440
even throw, I could throw hand sanitizer on my dick.
06:03:08.320
I could throw rubbing alcohol and it's not going to like, it's not going to like, you
06:03:13.840
know, you do that as a woman, you put that internally, you're fucked.
06:03:19.060
Even if you get maybe a little like natural soap, you might fuck your shit up.
06:03:33.700
And he comes inside you, what, you know, whatever you could say, okay, well, the girl
06:03:46.580
If a guy comes inside you and then you're dealing with another guy, I'm sorry, ladies,
06:04:00.900
So, there is like a, like, if, if you're casually sleeping around, like, you can, you
06:04:08.300
If you're a woman, the guy can hop in the shower, assuming no STDs in either scenario,
06:04:32.180
However, however, the, a woman's lubrication will migrate, let's say.
06:04:41.440
And, um, you know, in addition to that, even if like the, you know, it does migrate, it
06:04:50.920
And, uh, if we're talking about scent, whether that even touches you or not.
06:05:10.480
Because this is a, this is an unassailable position that I have.
06:05:15.460
So, I, I, when we're speaking in terms of unprotected sex without a condom.
06:05:23.760
If it's protected sex though, especially if you are orally, like if a woman has penetration
06:05:30.000
with a condom and he doesn't come inside of her and then say you go to give that woman
06:05:37.240
oral sex and you use protection again, like you use like a dental dam, then I don't.
06:05:45.720
No, I, I know what it is, but I, you're not going to be like if I was getting head with
06:05:50.520
a condom on, that just sounds terrible for the woman.
06:06:02.980
Uh, if, if all that's on the table is a hand job, I don't even, don't give me the hand
06:06:16.440
Um, if she wants to give me head with a, with a, with a, uh, a condom, I'd rather just not
06:06:22.960
What the, you don't have you had head with a condom on?
06:06:35.860
If you gave it a chance, it's not, it's just like, Oh, I would never from the guy's perspective
06:06:42.660
Uh, how would you, how would you, how would you know?
06:06:46.720
I've had guys tell me, you know, like, Oh, this was way better than I thought it was going
06:06:51.760
You know, like this was way better than I expected it to be.
06:06:57.420
Guys are going to, guys are going to kind of placate you a little bit, but I mean, I
06:07:01.780
But if they, if they come from it, then it's like, is it bad if they come from it?
06:07:06.200
I mean, I mean, they enjoyed it and they're sitting there going, Oh my God.
06:07:15.200
I mean, honestly, just because you come, as a guy, just because you come doesn't mean
06:07:19.480
it would be, it would have been anywhere near as pleasurable if there wasn't a condo.
06:07:23.260
No, but that doesn't mean it wasn't not pleasurable because clearly something's going
06:07:27.760
I'm not saying like, you can make the same argument about vaginal penetration.
06:07:31.500
Well, what I was going to say, what I was, I mean, what my, my, the next step to this,
06:07:37.140
even with sex, I'd honestly rather just not even have sex.
06:07:51.880
I don't think I would have unprotected sex with someone unless I was married.
06:08:12.920
Once you've had sex without a condom, it's just, I don't know.
06:08:27.740
In my opinion, having unprotected sex is sacred.
06:08:31.780
If you are really trusting to your partner and are in a long-term relationship, I don't
06:08:39.220
Ultimately, look, anyways, I don't know how we got into that shit.
06:08:54.360
The, the, you know, the related to like the impact on the pH or whatever, if you have sex
06:09:00.200
with a condom, uh, and the guy pulls out and he doesn't come inside, whatever.
06:09:04.860
Um, yeah, that's not going to have as much of an impact, but because women's parts are
06:09:14.220
If you are in a relationship having unprotected sex, why are you fucking a different person
06:09:23.140
I'm not saying that this is, I'm, I'm, I'm articulating a hypothetical to get across
06:09:28.040
the idea here that in a, in a hypothetical where if I have sex with a woman and then
06:09:34.460
I go shower, uh, to, to the new woman in terms of the just biological fucking biohazard
06:09:42.680
reality, I've removed, I'm good as new, basically removing like STD, STD risk from it or whatever.
06:09:53.280
Basically, if a guy just came inside a woman and then you're the next man up, that's fucking
06:10:07.340
Here's the, here's the final component to this.
06:10:09.340
And one sec, the final component, removing like fucking other people or whatever.
06:10:13.600
I would argue, I would argue that even if both of you just go and shower, you clean the
06:10:19.940
guy, you clean the girl, uh, because the, what causes, if, if there is a potential for
06:10:26.760
like a displeasurable scent, uh, from the woman, uh, that's something internal.
06:10:35.960
Um, that, that's going to persist whether she takes a shower or not.
06:10:41.880
Um, whereas with the guy in terms of like taste, in terms of smell, if he's really showered
06:10:48.900
and soaped himself, uh, it's just, you're tasting skin.
06:10:54.660
Now you might say, okay, well, what if there's a bit of a pre-com?
06:11:11.080
I think that like what you're referring to is like a world that I'm not familiar with,
06:11:15.640
which is like people having casual unprotected sex.
06:11:21.580
Casual unprotected is a little bit too much for me.
06:11:31.880
Well, it's good you draw the line somewhere, right?
06:11:40.180
I mean, look, it's just a little bit, uh, it's just a bit different.
06:12:01.920
We're going to do some things from the questionnaire here.
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Minimum yearly income to be your future husband.
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So, I mean, you're kind of, you're, I don't know if you're beating around the bush, but
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There's no, you could make $0 a year if you're the right person and you're ambitious and you're
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working on a project, if you're in debt and you're, you know.
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Well, should it move to, I don't know, move to Waco or something.
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I think you guys, I think you guys are being a little unreasonable.
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That's like, I think top 2% of men make that much.
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So if he can supply me with a life that's better than the one that I'm supplying myself, then
06:14:01.000
Well, I imagine you would date a guy who's okay with you doing sex work, so you would continue
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If he makes enough money, if he truly makes enough money.
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Like, serious relationship dated guys who make $200,000?
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If you have crypto, I'm happy to accept crypto.
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I'm going to come shake you down at the strip club, by the way.
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If there's any women out there, I will Fendom you, though.
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That's the reason why I'm so comfortable handing you money, though.
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That is the reason why I'm coming, because it comes to me easily.
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You know, I think I can also, you know, as part of this, we're not going to have sex,
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but you can just, like, come do chores for me, too.
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I'm going to put me in a gimp suit and make me clean like a maid?
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She can wear, like, a cute maid outfit or something.
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$96,000 is $8,000 a month, which I feel like putting our incomes together.
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American is, I think, roughly like $50,000 to $60,000.
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It's fine, but like in L.A., $50,000, that's a rough life.
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In L.A., $96,000, because I feel like $8,000 a month would be my most...
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Because over, you know, over my lifetime, the answer for that has been different.
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There's been times in my life where I really...
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In this moment right now, if I were to meet Mr. Right today...
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Should we do a little kappa kappa gamma cheer, just to boost up...
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Yeah, then you put kappa in and I was like, wait, like relevance?
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Oh, I wanted to do the cheer, but do you want kids?
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I can't believe it's been on the table this whole time.
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I mean, look, women can have children into their late 30s, even in their 40s.
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But, I mean, I feel like, you know, 200K, I don't know.
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I think you should lower your expectations a little bit.
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I would rather not get into a situation where I wasn't 100% content than just force myself
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If you could find a guy who gave you 80% of everything that you want, would you take that deal?
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80% of what I want is well above the average of what I think most people want.
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I would think, though, if you are genuinely a tremendous person, you would have been picked.
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I think this idea of thinking, like, I'm so tremendous.
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It's like this level of pride and egotism and narcissism that it's like, I don't know.
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If you're holding out, if you think you're hot shit, you're going to be holding out for hot shit.
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But if maybe that's not the case, you got to manage your...
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You got to readjust your expectations a little bit.
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Would you rather be the king's mistress or the peasant's wife?
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Look, I think you should want good for yourself in life.
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I don't have any qualms that, like, I'm an average dude.
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Maybe some things that are above average, some things that are below average.
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I'm not getting some fucking 10 out of 10 smoke show.
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And, you know, I could list out all these things that, like, in an ideal world, I'd be like,
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And I'm not going to get some fucking insane, like, the ultimate manifestation of whatever it is I want.
06:21:24.580
Do you think that I'm delusional for not believing that I'm an average person?
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Because, look, and I want to reiterate, none of this is, like, intended...
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I say these things, like, as if I'm your big brother trying to guide you to being realistic.
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I'm not saying these things to, like, to insult you.
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I have a big brother that does this to me already, so...
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And I, I think women are more fall, I don't know if fall victim to this is the right word,
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but I do see this manifest itself more in women, where it's like...
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And part of the blame is on society and Disney and all this shit.
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Like, you've been told that Prince Charming is coming and you've been sold this lie, this...
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You've been sold a lie about what kind of men there are out there.
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You've got to be realistic about your dating expectations.
06:22:44.100
I think I would rather stay single for the rest of my life than to settle for somebody that...
06:22:50.740
But in, for my perspective, if I see myself as whatever and I see this partner that I don't
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think is deserving of me, then in my perspective, I'm settling.
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I'd rather stay single because I'm pretty happy.
06:23:05.540
So you might wonder why I asked the rating, looks rating question.
06:23:09.540
So I do believe that when women think that they're more attractive than they actually
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It can be external factors that are making a woman assess herself as more.
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Her friends are all saying, I wish I looked as good as you.
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Women will gas each other up, especially even more so with your unattractive friends.
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I mean, look, maybe you guys don't believe that there's such thing as, oh, everyone's beautiful
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When it comes to the hierarchy of your assessment of men's attractiveness, women are super harsh
06:24:13.060
Women are absolutely not shy whatsoever about making determinations as to which men are and
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However, you guys are very, no, it's definitely different.
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Men generally are far more realistic with their prospects than the reverse.
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And men are much more realistic about their own self-assessments of their attractiveness.
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Now, to be fair, there are delusional dudes out there.
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You're, oh, the guy thinks he's hot shit, but he really isn't anything.
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Why can't you acknowledge your own delusion or female delusion?
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And so I guess my big criticism is, is I do think, I'm not saying all women, and there
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are men who are also think they're hot shit, but they're not.
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And those men are just as deserving of criticism, just as deserving.
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But I do think this is a phenomenon that manifests itself more in women because I think
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with men, well, there's so many factors that play into this, but it's the, the sort of
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internalized, uh, the internalized self-assessment.
06:25:24.940
There's the external, you women, you typically to other women's faces will not be critical
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You will not be critical of other women to their face.
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You, one phenomenon, again, not all women, you'll be very pleasant to a woman to her
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And then you're, you're hanging out with your girlfriends.
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So women typically, typically generally are not, are not accustomed to a more direct form
06:26:06.160
Uh, that's, you know, generally speaking, but I think another component is that, you know,
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is because of the difference between the best way I like to put it is like this.
06:26:19.000
So if I step to a woman who, I guess in my determination, people might agree because it's
06:26:26.660
If I were to step to a woman who's outside of my league, I can tell you right now, I know
06:26:42.340
I'm definitely like, if I'm pleasant, if I'm pleasant and I walk up to a beautiful woman
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I don't literally, I don't literally say that, but that's in essence what I'm doing.
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I say, would you, would you like, and I'm being very nice and pleasant.
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I will say, well, actually just join us with your, you don't have to change back into it.
06:27:25.420
Um, so I get, men get rejected on the front end.
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So if I stepped to a girl outside, outside my league, um, she's not considering me for
06:27:34.200
anything, not getting a phone number, not getting a date, not getting set.
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Definitely, definitely not getting a relationship.
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Whereas women, if you're just pleasant and on a silver platter, you offer up a guy pussy.
06:27:50.180
He's, he'll be like, well, I wouldn't be in a relationship with her, but I might fuck
06:27:57.120
her for a couple of weeks, a couple of months, or even just one night.
06:28:03.960
I think women, and by the way, I think this is to some degree, a criticism of both men and
06:28:08.600
women, women, if you, oh my God, I lost my train of thought.
06:28:17.860
I, we talked about this before, but I think for you, for you women, in order for you to
06:28:24.140
sleep with a guy, he has to typically be at least good looking enough for you to be in
06:28:33.420
That again, that's not a hundred percent all the time the case, but I think generally speaking,
06:28:37.880
if you're going to sleep with a guy, he is at least good looking enough that you would
06:28:43.220
Actually, in reality, when women have a leaning towards a casual sexual encounter, they're
06:28:52.380
They'll be like, Hmm, I typically don't like casual sex, but this guy's really good looking
06:29:03.620
Men do a sort of a reversal men when it comes to casual sex, they, it's not, I mean, they'll
06:29:10.620
try to get the hot girl, but they'll be like, okay, um, I just want to get my dick wet.
06:29:18.260
Like I will have, I'll have a man, we'll have sex with a woman, put their dick in anything.
06:29:23.400
A man will have sex with a woman that just on the sole basis of her looks alone, he'll
06:29:34.200
Even if she's otherwise like meets his personality requirements, just on the looks basis alone,
06:29:39.100
he won't be in a relationship with her, but he will keep her around.
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I'm just speaking descriptively of what's happening.
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And so I think because of that, I think that allows women, whereas a man, I can't get anything
06:30:04.860
I don't receive any validation from women outside of my league.
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I think there are tons of guys who have way more confidence than I would give them,
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but then they still are able to, you know, do certain things.
06:30:18.900
So I do think when it comes to women's determination in terms of women's attraction to men, I do
06:30:26.300
think there are things obviously beyond just looks.
06:30:32.420
I don't think we should ignore the fact that yes, I think physical attraction in the vast
06:30:37.220
majority of situations is going to probably for most people is going to be the initial determining
06:30:44.680
I do think it is the case that as a man, there are certain things that can give you an edge
06:30:55.960
I think though, um, I honestly, genuine, genuinely think though, um, majority of women looks
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are the, again, the guy can't be like a fucking piece of shit.
06:31:12.200
If he's hot enough, then they get away with it.
06:31:14.060
Actually, well, what I guess what I was going to say is I'm not saying what I'm saying by
06:31:20.820
Like if you're a fucking terrible human being, um, I mean, women will still date like a really
06:31:36.560
That's I think female dysfunction, but that's another topic.
06:31:39.460
I think you're talking about looks though, right?
06:31:43.200
I think, well, much of the fanfare surrounding Luigi, it's predominantly from young women
06:31:52.300
Uh, I, I suppose from one angle, he's, he's, I really don't think he's like, he's not your
06:32:00.900
I mean, he's, he's not a bad, he's not ugly, but I think he's maybe like a six, you know,
06:32:09.640
The context about like his socials and like what he's into and the fact that he's well
06:32:17.760
But yeah, he's also, that's kind of a, should be a bit of a, it's a red flag.
06:32:31.020
I mean, going back to that comment that one of the guys made at the beginning saying like
06:32:34.240
all the crazy fan, not fan, well, I guess fan fiction, but like the crazy like romance
06:32:38.400
novels, I don't think an assassin is, you know, something that stops, stops that.
06:32:45.620
I mean, uh, a lot of these, a lot of these women that are showing up to his court hearings.
06:32:52.420
They're like the women were fucking gooning for, for Luigi Mangione.
06:32:59.820
I guess there are worse things to get back to the central idea here is y'all do have
06:33:08.520
Even if you can't get a relationship out of him, you can't get commitment.
06:33:12.080
You do receive, and I understand how it can be confusing.
06:33:20.140
Um, maybe that's my league, but your league is not the men who will fuck you.
06:33:30.480
What about ugly guys that pay hot girls to have sex with them?
06:33:34.360
They have access to people that are outside of their league.
06:33:37.200
Uh, prostitution, like, uh, the transactional nature of that is not within the paradigm of
06:33:44.000
But they still have access to them through that.
06:33:49.420
That infrastructure exists for them there rather than like how we said earlier, how the opposite
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infrastructure doesn't exist for women, but it does exist for men.
06:33:57.700
Yeah, um, just in regards to you're saying people lower league.
06:34:04.880
Because if someone's a lower league than a prostitute, like, how would that make sense?
06:34:09.380
I'm speaking specifically about like physical attraction.
06:34:12.780
Like there's objectively some physically attractive prostitutes out there that men could potentially pay for, for money.
06:34:19.500
So honestly, my, my impression of, I don't get the impression that like prostitutes are typically good looking.
06:34:26.740
Like, I don't get the impression that like escorts are like, they might be like five, six, seven.
06:34:38.940
I don't think eight, nines and tens are typically doing.
06:34:42.540
I think the, those are the women that are making the big bucks.
06:34:45.440
I think those are the women that, uh, are, you know.
06:34:50.260
Well, also, but it, I don't think this applies.
06:34:55.040
You're talking about like the paradigm that you're speaking of strictly within like the dating realm.
06:35:16.140
But, but so I guess for all these reasons I, I listed out women gassing other women up, just their own internal self-assessments.
06:35:22.580
Um, you know, the, also the projection of, oh, this is how I look with a full face of makeup, filter, et cetera.
06:35:32.500
Um, and then additionally, I would just add the fact that women have access, have limited, women have limited sexual access to men outside of their league.
06:35:42.600
Men definitely don't have limited sexual access to women outside of their league as a general principle.
06:35:51.360
So limited sexual access would essentially be, yeah, you can like hook up with a guy, sleep with a guy once, twice, three times.
06:35:58.700
I mean, some dudes will keep you around for a long time.
06:36:07.060
But, uh, but that's, that's, that's not, um, that, so that would be limited sexual access.
06:36:17.520
You don't, you're typically not getting like full-fledged romantic access to these men.
06:36:22.800
Like genuine, like genuine, mutual romantic, uh, interest.
06:36:28.800
So, whereas us guys, even if I'm a, even if I'm really pleasant and she would otherwise like my personality, whatever, um.
06:36:41.320
I would just say, so long as I'm being pleasant and I'm offering up dick, that's not, women don't go for that really.
06:37:06.540
If the sun is shining, you can go get your soul.
06:37:10.660
So, Alna, we were talking about the, like, the looks rating stuff.
06:37:13.560
You were, I think you were asking me, um, if, oh, the $200,000 a year.
06:37:25.560
But the thing is, though, is that you've kind of artificially inflated things a little bit.
06:37:34.880
And you can get a lot, you can make a lot of money quick with, with sex work.
06:37:39.040
But I, I think of the men who make a lot of money, typically men who are well off financially, assuming they're not total fucking losers or whatever, they do have more, uh, dating optionality.
06:37:54.100
Because that is something, to some degree, that, that women find.
06:38:00.540
I'm just saying, I think it's fine for a woman to think, like, oh, I think this is an attractive trait for a guy who's, like, he's financially in a good spot or whatever.
06:38:11.900
Um, but I think a guy who makes $200,000 a year, I'm not trying to be a dick, um, you're, you're involved in sex work.
06:38:19.760
I think most men typically don't want to date women who are sex workers.
06:38:23.740
Um, I'm not making a, I'm not, you may very well be, like, a very nice, pleasant person.
06:38:28.260
So far in this conversation, you've, you've seemed very nice and pleasant.
06:38:35.600
But, um, but I, I do think that for a guy who, who is, well, unless you go really, I don't know what your age limit is.
06:38:44.980
If you go into the fifties, you might be, find a guy who, who's wealthy, who's willing to date a younger woman.
06:38:52.380
But she's, you know, she's got like this mark on her in terms of the sex work.
06:38:56.840
Um, but like, I think a guy, if you're looking for a guy in his thirties and forties, I don't think his first choice, just being realistic here, don't shoot the messenger.
06:39:04.640
The messenger is going to be a woman who's a sex worker.
06:39:07.720
I think, uh, an average guy in that age range and like the way that you described, I, I actually agree with you a hundred percent.
06:39:15.860
Like an average guy would not go for a woman like me.
06:39:20.000
And that's why I say that I am not average because I understand what it is that I'm bringing to the table beyond just sex.
06:39:29.300
It, you know, the way that you've described sex in our conversation tonight, a lot of the scenarios that you describe are really dangerous scenarios that like I personally would never put myself in.
06:39:40.360
Like having unprotected sex or having sex with multiple partners, like consecutive nights in a row and like stuff like that.
06:39:47.620
I feel like for me being in the sex work industry has made me a lot smarter about how I interact with men.
06:39:57.880
And there are girls out there going to the bar that are fucking the, the nice guy for being nice to her.
06:40:05.680
I mean, there's, there's women who are fucking a bunch of men for free.
06:40:14.860
I'm just saying my standard is I know what I want.
06:40:27.020
But you know, it's like, I also have to take into account that he's lived a whole life before he met me.
06:40:35.980
Uh, I think I'm just Lexi, you're five foot two and you would date a guy minimum height for a guy.
06:40:44.500
None of your, nobody else has really any crazy answers on that.
06:41:02.880
Actually, I guess you do give off five, five energy.
06:41:09.900
Uh, a couple more things from the questionnaire.
06:41:18.740
I think when I was filling it out, uh, the first thing I thought of was again, like the fact that,
06:41:23.260
um, certain regulations for like medical things were not implemented.
06:41:27.480
And I think that those have a lingering effect.
06:41:32.040
Like, um, the fact that like when it comes to medications, um, the fact that, you know,
06:41:37.860
until the 1990s, a lot of medications were approved when they were only tested on men and the side
06:41:42.020
effects were not tested on women and they got approved and they still exist today.
06:41:45.940
So I think that's the first thing I thought of.
06:41:48.540
Um, I've thought about that one for a minute and I have a few, uh, responses.
06:42:03.700
I would say though, I would say on, on, on, on that is try not to be like talking in the
06:42:11.360
But, um, when it comes to not medicine, not being experimented on women, that actually seems
06:42:20.240
Like the way I would frame it from a men's advocacy perspective, like if it, if the roles
06:42:25.340
were reversed, it would be like, whoa, you guys are using women as Guinea pigs.
06:42:30.200
You guys are, you guys are, uh, medically experimenting on women.
06:42:39.220
It's not like they're being against their will.
06:42:45.880
However, if the consequences of their volunteering have negative life impacts on them, because
06:42:52.360
they have like, maybe this medicine is like insanely dangerous.
06:42:56.060
I don't, even if it's consensual, like that still creates harm.
06:43:00.800
So if it's the case that men have, and I would, I would even look at it from a socioeconomic
06:43:14.100
If I'm not a provider, I'm not going to get a girlfriend.
06:43:24.900
I, I honestly, I think there's compelling arguments that the fact that men have been the
06:43:31.020
ones experimented on, I think that that's, uh, if the roles were reversed, feminists would
06:43:36.140
be fucking, oh my God, what there should be equality in medical experimentation.
06:43:40.940
Why is it women who are undergoing like having all these negative side effects from participating
06:43:49.580
The reality is men are desperate for the money.
06:43:52.000
Men will go to far further lengths to get money.
06:44:02.380
Some guys suck dick and women suck dick, but that's like gay for pay.
06:44:12.380
Ultimately, I do think if the roles were reversed, you would hear feminists saying, wow, this
06:44:17.740
We are, we are medically experimenting on these women and pumping them full of drugs.
06:44:23.260
We don't know what their side effects are going to be.
06:44:26.500
I also think because of women's hormones, because that's a bit my understanding.
06:44:33.560
Don't you think that we should have a representative?
06:44:35.680
I think that if we're talking about dosing, evil, of course you are.
06:44:39.480
I'm fine with women being, doing, participating in drug tests.
06:44:45.040
But I think that men are probably, I wonder if the men are more willing to do it.
06:44:51.780
I don't know if there's any, I don't know if you have any evidence to back that up.
06:44:56.000
I, I think that men are, well, I do have evidence if we apply the same ideal to the
06:45:04.000
So I don't have any problem with women doing the dangerous, dirty jobs that like 99% that,
06:45:14.680
I just don't think women want to do those jobs and they're unwilling to do it, even if
06:45:20.320
So women don't want to do dangerous, dirty jobs.
06:45:23.960
They don't want to go live on some oil derrick in the middle of the ocean for weeks on end.
06:45:29.140
They don't want to do, which is a dangerous job, by the way, they don't want to be roughnecks.
06:45:34.120
Actually, we might get a female roughneck here eventually, but generally speaking, women do
06:45:40.120
not want to do dangerous, physically laborious, dirty jobs.
06:45:45.100
So, so what's stopping them from going into medical studies?
06:45:54.380
But not in the same like sense of like a high, like labor intensive job.
06:45:59.860
And also I think a lot of the medical stuff is usually done on women who are sick.
06:46:04.920
And I think that, you know, like cancer treatment stuff, you have to have cancer.
06:46:08.280
It's not, you have to be broke or you're going to be more likely to participate in the
06:46:13.080
I, well, I, there are probably medications that are like, for example, I, I don't know
06:46:18.300
the history of Tylenol, but like Tylenol is not a, at least now we, well, actually there's
06:46:26.540
Isn't the best, but, but, um, there are obviously certain medications that are perhaps more severe
06:46:32.920
than others where you don't need necessarily to have a diagnosis for you to be part of a
06:46:43.240
I think if we're 50% of the population, we should be taken into consideration with medical
06:46:49.400
I think, I think the reality is, is that far less women probably sign up to do this.
06:46:54.840
And then the other thing though, but the other thing that you're ignoring, aside from just
06:46:58.900
the fact that men are more willing to do it, aside from the fact that I don't think it's
06:47:02.300
like some sort of privilege or benefit for men to be medically experimented on, I think
06:47:07.200
that that's not like some great advantage that men have.
06:47:10.540
I would argue if you're doing like a male advocacy thing, why is it that men are drawn
06:47:15.060
to allow them to harm their own bodies through medical experiment?
06:47:18.520
Like I would never want to be medically experimented on.
06:47:20.740
I don't want some fucking CDC to pump me full of their fucking bullshit vaccine.
06:47:25.400
So anyways, I would say this, um, I guess I would say this is that one of the reasons
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also that they researchers are perhaps hesitant to involve women, assuming, you know, even
06:47:39.080
putting aside all the other arguments I made is because women carry the risk of getting
06:47:44.320
If a woman happens to get pregnant and they're using this experimental drug, there could be
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really, well, there could be really, really fucked up birth defects.
06:47:54.740
If she happens to get pregnant and let's assume she's pro-life, oh, I'm not going to abort
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And that's an important thing that should be tested because once that medication is released,
06:48:06.360
those birth defects should be like really taken into consideration because a small sample
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size of participants in a medical study, that is a much, much, much smaller group of people
06:48:18.460
than the entire population that may take that medication.
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So you're saying let's get pregnant women and medically experiment on them?
06:48:27.640
No, I'm saying that they shouldn't be excluded because of the hypothetical.
06:48:29.140
But so how would you test for potential, uh, I mean, look, I'm not a medical researcher.
06:48:34.160
Maybe there's ways you can analyze the, you know, I don't, look, I'm not, I don't know about
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medicine and all this stuff, but how, how would you propose we determine?
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You're saying we should have more women being medically experimented on.
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I think that women should be understood medically at the same amount that men are because we are
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50% of the population and that should be taken into account.
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But, but one of the reasons researchers might be hesitant to include women in these medical
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They absolutely can be hesitant, but I think that they still should have to understand that
06:49:15.640
women are 50% of the population and should be able to have the same medical access and
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the same kind of medication treatment as men if it's biologically viable.
06:49:25.680
I do believe that they do enroll women in many of these studies now.
06:49:30.980
But again, again, then it would just go back to the original question was how are women
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And I'm saying as of the 1990s, women weren't required to be included and now they are required
06:49:47.320
I do think that medication can, uh, in terms of side effects or in terms of even efficacy can
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Uh, although some are pretty much the same, whereas some like you give a man certain drugs
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and it would be totally different than a woman.
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Um, but I think generally speaking, most medications, uh, men and women aren't that far apart in terms
06:50:16.620
However, I'd say generally speaking, I think if you do a test and the test subjects are almost
06:50:21.980
all men, I think you can infer a bunch of information about the impacts and side effects
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and efficacy in women just as, as it's dangerous to infer though.
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Well, I think it's also, well, I'm, but I'm fine, but I'm fine with bad science.
06:50:39.080
I'm fine with women participating in these medical experiments or whatever.
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But again, it comes down to the, the, basically the pregnancy risk.
06:50:52.760
If you're medically experimenting on a woman who either she doesn't know she's pregnant or
06:50:58.900
They are so incredibly like on it with pregnancy tests.
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So I don't even think that the whole pregnancy argument, I mean, the thing with like Accutane
06:51:07.620
with the whole birth defects that are caused by taking Accutane, you have to be on birth control.
06:51:12.140
Even if you're asexual, even if you're a virgin, no matter what, they still usually have to
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put you on, um, birth control as a medical or as a, as a legal thing.
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I'm fine with, with women if they want to participate in this and I'm fine with it being
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50, 50, but if the researchers have some bonafide reason to perhaps have that skew differently,
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or maybe they can't find enough women who are willing to do it, then if it's 70, 30, that
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Again, it goes down to, is it a solid experience or experiment?
06:51:50.540
But I don't think that this is evidence of women being oppressed in the USA.
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And I think that that is something that I think still has lingering, lingering effects.
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I wouldn't say that we are nearly as oppressed as we used to be.
06:52:04.780
I think there are also probably other examples.
06:52:06.920
Um, also, I guess moving on to the next one, men are more privileged in society.
06:52:22.140
Like, why do you, you say men are more privileged in society than women.
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Yeah, I think in society at large, like, men are more trusted in positions of power.
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Um, I don't know if that's a privilege, though.
06:52:50.440
I think it is a privilege to have a responsibility.
06:52:54.840
I don't know if I would categorize it as a privilege.
06:52:58.580
I think responsibility is its own thing, absent privilege.
06:53:05.700
I mean, what about the trust that she was speaking of?
06:53:08.380
Well, are, are all responsibilities privileges?
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But I think that if you have the ability to have a responsibility versus you don't have
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the ability to have the responsibility, that is a privilege.
06:53:24.500
Wait, can you, sorry, can you just repeat that?
06:53:26.580
If you have the ability to have a response, if I have the ability to get a dog, and a dog
06:53:32.260
is a responsibility, and I have the ability to get a dog, I think that is a privilege.
06:53:36.720
If I am not able to get a dog, I know, she's awesome.
06:53:38.920
If I'm not able to get a dog, you know, let's say my parents said, no, you can't get a dog.
06:53:45.000
That, you know, isn't, I don't think, a privilege.
06:53:46.920
I mean, has there ever, I know you're using like an example.
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Has there ever been an instance in the United States where women were barred from dog ownership?
06:53:58.920
I mean, when I'm thinking about this, though, the immediate one, and we talked about this
06:54:02.440
before, so I think being subject to military conscription or in fact being drafted,
06:54:10.600
That's, and women not having that responsibility is definitely a privilege.
06:54:18.500
Even not having the choice is definitely a privilege.
06:54:21.900
And it is a choice because you guys are voters.
06:54:25.040
Well, I still think they have, men have a bit more of a privilege.
06:54:31.400
Not like, it's not like a huge, big thing, but like, I think people will trust male doctors
06:54:47.180
Which, I mean, this is getting maybe a bit specific, but women typically, I've heard women
06:55:03.180
And in fact, some women who, for example, might've been abused by a woman, they would even prefer
06:55:10.960
So, um, but I don't know this idea that men get taken more seriously.
06:55:15.040
I mean, maybe that's because of affirmative action.
06:55:24.020
And I think women have a really, they've actually done studies.
06:55:27.080
Women have a very large in-group bias for other women, whereas men have a slight out-group
06:55:38.980
I mean, I would say, um, uh, essentially, I mean, how do I explain this?
06:55:55.160
Well, I don't like the inference, but, um, I think, yes, I think women have a, even if
06:56:02.720
we're just talking about a generalized liking, women have a stronger liking towards other
06:56:07.780
women, whereas men have a slight out-group liking towards women and like, uh, they, men
06:56:21.980
I don't know it off the top of my head, but I'm sure I could, if you just Google it, I'm
06:56:26.260
Um, I don't know, Nick, can you try to Google that?
06:56:29.440
Just like, uh, in-group, out-group bias, men, women, something like that.
06:56:36.260
But, and this is actually one of the ways in which like women do at least, uh, whatever,
06:56:49.120
Uh, I, I personally think in today's society, women at bare minimum privilege is equal.
06:56:57.680
I would probably argue women have more privilege in society than men.
06:57:06.080
I don't know if it's a, uh, I think it's a, uh, uh, you think you, you say people of color
06:57:18.040
Um, that, I mean, I guess it's not my place to speak on it.
06:57:26.960
I don't really think it's my place to speak on it because I'm a white woman.
06:57:36.220
I mean, I guess I just, I don't feel like there's really, like I haven't.
06:57:43.960
It felt like a person of color, I guess, has been like racist towards me or I guess I haven't
06:57:53.120
Is it logically possible that a black person could be racist towards you?
06:57:56.340
I don't really think so because we're technically the oppressors.
06:58:02.500
And I'm just saying, I think based off of history, especially in the United States,
06:58:11.980
There could be prejudices, but like prejudice is different because of, you know, it's like
06:58:18.060
because of the history of oppression from white people.
06:58:21.540
I think it's the institutionalized, like it's built into our system.
06:58:24.820
It's been from, you know, 400 years of slavery.
06:58:26.660
It's like the example of like, oh, if you're playing a game of Monopoly and one player gets
06:58:31.060
to go 400 rounds in a row and then the other person gets to start.
06:58:34.480
Yes, it is equality because we both are playing the game now, but there is the context of they
06:58:39.840
had 400 rounds to build up their wealth, generational wealth, generational, you know, all that fun
06:58:44.720
How would you explain the prosperity of Asian Americans in this country?
06:58:55.940
How would you, so, you know, we abolished slavery way back when we had, uh, massive amounts of
06:59:02.240
Asian immigration well after slavery was entirely abolished.
06:59:09.900
How would you explain the prosperity of, uh, Asian Americans?
06:59:14.760
I think it really depends on where in the country you're looking at, but I think for
06:59:18.320
California, anywhere in the country, Asians, uh, in fact, I think, I think it's the case
06:59:28.100
I heard another study that it was, um, not that, I don't remember, we just learned this
06:59:36.200
Well, I think it's because, like, Asians are known for going for higher paying fields
06:59:41.900
compared to a lot of other people, which is not a bad thing.
06:59:46.700
But I mean, if you arrive to this country with nothing, I mean.
06:59:51.920
Oh, so are you saying, like, also Asian immigrants, like Asian immigrant women are out-earning
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Well, I mean, I, I don't know the specific breakdown at what level of, if they're first
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generation, second generation, third generation.
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But, uh, I think in totality, Asian American, uh, women out-earn white men in this country.
07:00:21.680
I, uh, I've seen studies indicating that this is the case.
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I've, I mean, I, Nick, I think it's in the Discord if you want to pull it up.
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Um, it's, I think that goes into, like, the model minority myth.
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The idea of, like, oh, well, these are the good minorities, these are the bad minorities,
07:00:57.400
It happens to be that, it does happen to be the case that, uh, Asian women out-earn white
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I have way too many infographics, because it's going to take me forever to find it.
07:01:07.240
Uh, oh, it's, um, Nick, it's near the top, and it's a, there's, like, a blue line and
07:01:24.000
Okay, this is median weekly earnings for full-time workers, Asian women versus white
07:01:29.660
men, uh, 2000 to 2020, so it is pretty recent data, um, and then it looks like in around
07:01:37.320
2020, Asian women did start outpacing white men in terms of median weekly earnings, and
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that's from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, BLS.
07:01:55.000
Yeah, I don't know if you still dispute it or what, but, I mean, the wage gap's a myth.
07:02:12.580
Do you think it's possible for, um, for people of color to be racist towards white people?
07:02:22.500
Yeah, I think so, because I think racism is just, like, and I think other races are
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Now, people will make, try to make a differentiation.
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And look, I think it's fair to say that, uh, there are certain systemic things where African
07:02:46.000
You know, obviously, slavery, that was really bad.
07:02:49.000
Um, but if, I guess when I'm thinking of racism, I'm just thinking of, I tend to, I tend to
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think more about, like, a more individualistic racism.
07:03:02.020
Like, can an individual white person or individual black person hold racist sentiments towards
07:03:23.120
No, I think it's, I mean, it is a biological thing of, like, you don't, I mean, even if
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it's not cognizant, everybody has, um, to called subliminal, or whatever it is, biases.
07:03:38.260
Um, a few more things from here, then we'll get back to the notes, then, uh, getting, getting
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kind of wrapped up here, uh, let's see, Willow, men should provide and protect, men should
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be chivalrous, to which you agree, um, you do want to get married?
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Um, okay, um, Lexi, men should pay on first dates, men should provide protect, men should
07:04:14.040
be chivalrous, husband should be willing to die protecting you, uh, you will keep your
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last, uh, no, no, no, you, you're going to take your husband's last name, and then kids,
07:04:28.720
Uh, you agree, men should pay on first dates, men should provide, protect, men should be
07:04:35.260
chivalrous, uh, you will take your husband's last name, okay, uh, men should pay on first
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dates, men should provide, protect, men should be chivalrous, husband should be willing to
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die protecting you, take the bullet, you're going to keep your last name, Trump?
07:05:05.680
All right, and then you circled the first three, men should pay on first dates, men should
07:05:10.200
provide, protect, men should be chivalrous, okay, um, I guess, uh, okay, I thought, I
07:05:17.140
thought you would have, hmm, really quick on the, uh, husband should be willing to die
07:05:23.180
protecting you, would you be willing to die protecting your husband?
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Yeah, like, like, odds that I'm going to have to do that, very low.
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I feel like you would throw down, not going to lie.
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You're starting beef that doesn't exist, we're going to find out later.
07:05:55.680
We don't have that at Northeastern Mississippi.
07:06:34.160
I did have one super quick question on the husband should be willing to die protecting
07:06:42.380
And we're not going to linger on it, but just we'll get quick answers and then move it along.
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A married couple faces the reality that can save only one person.
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You can't, like, try to tread water for 10 hours.
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Given that one of them must die, who, if anyone, should volunteer to sacrifice themselves?
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Let's say you're in that situation with your husband.
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I have, you have no idea how you're going to react.
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If I have kids, they need a mother, I'm staying.
07:09:43.380
There's a train barreling down the train track, and you have five people along the train track
07:09:52.200
You can pull a lever, and it will redirect the train track, killing just one person.
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I don't really have an answer to this one, but no, God has a plan.
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I guess I'm pulling it back and forth, so it gets both sides, killing everybody.
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If I have to be responsible for killing one person, what's the point of saving anybody?
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I mean, like, what else are you supposed to do?
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We're going to finish up some of the notes here.
07:11:21.060
Oh, Lynn, tell us really quick the whole situation with the guy who was maybe not,
07:11:27.080
not a, or no, the woman who was maybe not a woman.
07:11:31.240
So, like, at my school, this became, like, a really, like, everyone was talking about
07:11:38.680
it because this guy was going out with a girl and, like, he was, he was, like, on
07:11:46.780
the college football team and she was a cheerleader, but, like, no one knew she was trans.
07:11:52.740
And so, like, they were together, they were, he took her on a few dates and, like, he really
07:11:59.200
liked her, but then, like, I think she just posted something on his story and he found
07:12:05.380
out that she's trans and he was so mad and everyone was like, oh, my gosh.
07:12:08.980
So, like, I just felt like that's a disrespectful thing to do.
07:12:19.480
But then, like, people are like, oh, like, that's not his business, but, like, it is.
07:12:24.240
I mean, if they're trying to get into dirty business, yeah, it's kind of his business.
07:12:34.840
And then one day, like, I don't know if it was Pride Month or something, she just posted
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something like, oh, yeah, that's why no one knows I'm trans or whatever.
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This was, like, after the second or third date.
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Do you not think that's really important to discuss or no?
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I was, like, the white balance went crazy for a second.
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Uh, the first thing I think of is just the 40s, roughly.
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The U.S.'s involvement was 39 to 45, but the war started prior to that because it was a European.
07:15:34.620
The U.S. got involved, like, years, like, at the very end.
07:15:49.220
No, it wasn't that late because that was the year that it ended.
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All right, so I'll wait until everybody's back.
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I would want someone to have figured out what they like and they don't like and almost get
07:17:43.440
Do you think men are insecure if they care about a woman's body count?
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I think that people who make it a really, really big deal are focusing on the wrong thing.
07:17:55.580
I think there's more important things than someone's sexual history.
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I mean, it's not like end all be all, but it matters.
07:18:05.340
Can I just have you the little applesauce thing?
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I think what's more important is getting a current read.
07:18:17.920
Well, it's about feelings, but it's about going to the doctor together and getting an STI panel
07:18:23.520
and having a conversation, being like, where are you right now?
07:18:27.600
Maybe you had a past, but where are you right now?
07:18:33.780
I don't want to be with someone that hasn't been with a lot of people.
07:18:40.900
I would rather be with someone that was on the same level of my life.
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He doesn't have to be a ho, but I want somebody that's been around.
07:18:56.140
Well, look, you know, I guess going around the table, what's your body count, starting
07:19:23.100
Wait, you were just saying, like, you want to...
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But it doesn't matter to me, like, what someone else's body count is.
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I don't want to be put on the chopping block just because...
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I've had a history of, you know, being a sex worker and being a stripper and being very
07:20:12.660
But I wouldn't specifically say that I am or was an escort.
07:20:16.220
I would say more so, like, sugar dating or just my experience being a stripper.
07:20:23.620
Within 30 minutes of having sex with a man, did he present to you cash?
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They swipe a credit card or they do a deposit or...
07:20:47.200
Sugar dating is more of a scenario of somebody giving you an allowance and then taking you
07:20:54.780
It doesn't necessarily mean that there's sex or no sex.
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It just means that, like, they're paying you for the opportunity to take you on a date
07:21:27.800
It was Jackson Dart's girlfriend, but I changed it.
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Give me the cash on your wallet before I do it.
07:22:20.220
Have you ever had a hofiz or anything like that?
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I don't know the exact number, but I'm guessing a little bit over 20.
07:22:35.260
So I guess just for everybody, this isn't directed at anybody in particular.
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Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
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That would be nice, because then I'd be getting laid more.
07:23:16.700
Name three countries besides the USA, and you can't repeat.
07:24:59.360
Anybody, like, doesn't eat pepperoni or anything like that?
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All the ones besides the one you're going to say.
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I'm not sure which one we're missing, to be honest.
07:28:08.100
Um, how many, uh, how many days of the week end with the letter Y?
07:28:21.860
Uh, how long does each president serve their term?
07:28:45.440
If a dozen eggs costs three dollars, how much is each egg?
07:29:26.020
There'd be, I'm just gonna guess 40 cents before I do the math.
07:29:45.380
How many degrees is a full rotation of a circle?
07:29:50.060
If you're walking perfect north and you turn right 90 degrees, which direction are you now going?
07:29:58.540
What year, do you know what year the War of 1812 started?
07:30:28.000
Where did the attack on Pearl Harbor take place?
07:30:36.040
You could have said Pearl Harbor, but that works.
07:31:28.680
If you were born 10 years ago, how old would you be today?
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What percentage of men do you think are over 6 feet, starting with you?
07:32:21.840
What percent of men make at least $1 million a year, starting with you?
07:32:30.980
I don't think that a lot of men make that much.
07:32:33.000
I don't think it's that low, but, uh, what, what percent of men at least, uh, make at least
07:33:08.860
What percent of men have yachts in the United States, I guess?
07:34:38.320
No, like talking to multiple people, but not like dating or going on dates.
07:35:22.460
But if it's talking to people, I'd say it's more current.
07:35:26.280
Have you ever slept with someone the same day you met them?
07:35:42.520
But I mean like maybe you met on Tinder or whatever it is.
07:35:45.660
So I would count it like, okay, from the moment that they walk through the door or whatever
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or however you met, maybe you met at a party or something.
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From, from meet in person for first time to sex.
07:36:19.180
Escorting doesn't necessarily mean that there's anything in play.
07:37:04.860
I've had a couple threesomes, and I've had a one lesbian five-way.
07:37:14.340
Has anyone here hooked up with two guys in the 24-hour period?
07:38:12.140
I mean, you're going to play a five-minute video?
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We're probably not going to watch the video, but I'm trying to find.
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Um, in my personal experience, I think it's 50-50.
07:40:38.160
50-50 as in there are equal amount of trash men as there are trash women.
07:40:43.180
There's something that's gone viral a few times on TikTok.
07:40:51.540
Men who aren't trash don't get upset when women say men are trash.
07:41:05.580
Men who aren't trash don't get upset when women say men are trash.
07:41:52.960
But I think my issue with that, though, you were saying you guys agree with the...
07:42:01.740
Men who aren't trash don't get offended when women say all men are trash or whatever.
07:42:09.380
If we were to say, like, I think saying, for example, and I disagree with this, saying that women are trash, that's wrong.
07:42:17.440
But I think there's this sort of social acceptance of shitting on men or hating men or having, like, prejudice towards men that is somewhat socially acceptable, socially allowed.
07:42:29.740
It's socially fashionable, even, especially for more, like, left-leaning liberal people, to have this sort of, like, clear, obvious disdain and contempt for men.
07:42:44.300
I think that if we were to say that, would they say the same thing about...
07:42:51.200
Like, for example, just reframing it, women who aren't trash don't get offended when men say all women are trash.
07:43:00.120
And I'm like, I don't think that women would agree with that.
07:43:08.660
Well, whether you're a trashy woman or not, I think you can feel justified in objecting to saying that all women are trash.
07:43:26.500
But the same people that would say, well, hold on.
07:43:30.580
Men who aren't trashy wouldn't be offended or aren't offended when women say all men are trash.
07:43:37.380
And I think those same women would be very upset, regardless of whether they're trashy or not, if a man were to say all women are trash, right?
07:43:45.840
And so, it's just this kind of, a bit of a double standard.
07:44:03.140
By extension, therefore, you're saying I am trash.
07:44:09.520
So, this idea that, oh, you shouldn't be offended.
07:44:12.460
No, I think it's fine to be offended by this or to at least object to it in some regard.
07:44:22.820
I'm definitely watching my shape, so I'm joining my homie.
07:44:42.160
It's called The Will to Change, Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks.
07:44:56.320
And I realized that a lot of the things that I didn't like about men,
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I was reinforcing with my crazy, man-hating, feminist bullshit.
07:45:07.380
And so once I looked at it from a different perspective, I realized men deserve love, too.
07:45:13.560
And I know that that probably sounds obvious, but it's actually, like, in our day-to-day lives,
07:45:21.200
And women, we provide each other with, like, you know, in a lot of instances,
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like, this automatic, like, emotional understanding of, like, yes, queen, yes, like, I support you.
07:45:36.260
What do men have to give them, like, security emotionally in society?
07:45:42.520
I feel like, you know, a lot of times they seek it through women,
07:45:45.180
and then to have, like, women turn around and be like, oh, men are just trash.
07:45:48.940
It's like, well, you know, maybe we should take a little bit of time
07:46:01.220
I think those are some beautiful points that you touched on.
07:46:04.300
I think oftentimes people are just misunderstood, just genders in general.
07:46:08.560
And I feel like it's really only a minority of people who really hate on the other sex
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And I think it's really beautiful that we're all here coming together
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and sharing our inputs and perspectives on life, even if they're different.
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The final of these rapid-fire questions, if you could snap your finger and all men disappeared
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and women could reproduce without men, would you do it?
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We're going to rapid-fire through some of your stuff.
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Shit posting because perhaps I am cross, but personally, I don't think I will settle
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for anything less than a man who is humble enough to get on his knees and beg for mere
07:47:46.940
Never having sex with a man in my life again unless he can prove he voted for Kamala.
07:47:55.940
I think that I would want a man who voted for Kamala.
07:48:06.140
No, that I can totally hold space for, but I think that we're probably not compatible if
07:48:19.240
I don't think I'm a Trump supporters type per se.
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That's going to be the, that is going to be, hold on, let me do this.
07:48:34.020
I want to specify that the shit I tweet is for my job.
07:48:46.220
So if you want to get a roast in, it's going to be a $69 TTS.
07:48:54.880
If anybody wants to get something in next tweet, and then we'll have you continue reading
07:49:01.880
Need my man bricked up from just eye contact from me.
07:49:05.540
I feel like that's a big ask, you know, just looking at your eyes, you know?
07:49:52.900
TBH kind of feeling like tying a man up and just using him as my personal sex toy whenever
07:50:01.420
I was just encouraging me to put on the other night.
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And then remember that I don't really respond to messages on my phone and actively enjoy
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intimidating any man that actually is the balls to speak to me.
07:50:19.900
I think I'm just super picky because I know exactly what I want.
07:50:28.360
I was, men, if you think you deserve my attention, send me $20.
07:50:40.280
If I have a baby boy one day, I'm not circumcising him.
07:50:58.500
You guys really went telling him a good boy so even at his best he still knows he's a dog.
07:51:05.200
You guys should know from my tweets, my customer base are good boys.
07:51:12.780
Why can't I find a lover who wants to fuck the shit out of me every night?
07:51:19.880
So you've been celibate, like, since you wrote that tweet, nothing?
07:52:15.220
Say, you and him arrive back home from a date to see the house is on fire.
07:52:19.760
The dog is burning and there's no time to wait for the fire department.
07:52:24.920
Did both of you go inside to find the dog or just him?
07:52:36.440
Um, I think neither of us should go inside to save the dog.
07:52:43.040
Yeah, neither of us should risk our lives to save.
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If I could save him and be, and know that I could like safely grab him quickly on my
07:52:55.820
But if it was a situation where we got home and the house was burning already and his dog
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And I knew that like one of us would probably not make it if we went inside.
07:53:08.720
Our lives are more important than the pet's life.
07:53:19.940
I mean, if he's already dead in the house fire, you know, he'd probably do the same thing.
07:53:54.600
I don't really understand why cucks get so much shit when they're honestly like top
07:53:59.040
Like if any guy is like, yo, I just effed your B or I'm going to F your B.
07:54:14.180
That's not a, that's not like an own for a cuck to say that.
07:54:20.380
To everyone in society who has a functioning brain.
07:54:24.900
I think that if you're someone who actually gets off on watching somebody else have sex
07:54:30.540
with your wife and you're comfortable enough, I mean, there's, can, can you agree that if
07:54:35.960
someone is sexually interested in that and that all parties are consenting, like what's
07:54:43.120
Uh, what if all parties are consenting, what's the issue?
07:54:48.940
But I, what if I, I'm not saying me, but I'm saying from a cucks perspective, what if
07:54:52.900
they consent to it, but that's, look, there's just certain things, I don't care if you're
07:54:58.860
a trad, I don't care if you're a soy boy, lib, whatever the fuck, there's just certain
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things as a man, you can't let somebody else fuck your woman.
07:55:13.360
I don't, I don't think cucks are a large percentage.
07:55:16.800
I just think that it's really interesting that someone is able to be okay with that.
07:55:30.140
Oh, sometimes I have to stop and just laugh at the fact that I'm a professional hot person.
07:55:38.120
It's like, I don't know what qualifications I got.
07:55:47.380
I don't know if you can tell me really something about it, but I'm kind of losing my shit a
07:55:53.400
Me and this girl, we share one brain cell and she's the primary account holder.
07:56:01.060
Just stop romanticizing all the people in your phone.
07:56:32.240
I know I'm a problem because I was just thinking, I don't think I could ever date a
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But I would want my future partner to make corn with me.
07:56:54.100
You would want to, like, a porn star boyfriend?
07:56:56.740
I just want somebody that's, like, equally open.
07:57:09.120
I want to get to everybody, but we're pretty close to wrapping up here.
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I'm just going to finish up your notes, then I'll get into the rest.
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I would consider myself spiritual, but not religious.
07:57:35.320
I also, my primary clientele is, like, more submissive men and guys that are, like, that's
07:57:42.420
why a lot of my content is all about, like, soft dominatrix kind of vibes.
07:57:50.700
Really quick, just, we won't linger, but on the red pill topic that we, do you think
07:57:56.880
that, would you say the same thing about feminism?
07:58:04.080
So, you said you think the rise of clickbait, ragebait, red pill content is detrimental
07:58:08.540
to the young, mostly boy viewers who consume it.
07:58:11.540
Do you think, in that same vein, feminism is detrimental to the young, mostly women who
07:58:21.480
I think that, you know, being like, all men are trash, fuck all men, I hate all men, all
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of these things, it isn't setting women up to have, you know, healthy, good expectations
07:58:31.840
that they're, like, I have amazing men in my life, my father's amazing, my brother's
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amazing, the people that I have been coached by, and my teachers, yeah, amazing, but if
07:58:42.200
you say all men are trash, all men are shit, fuck all men, I think that's, that to me isn't
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feminism, I understand that that's, you know, what they're branding themselves at, I don't
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think that content's productive for the species as a whole.
07:59:00.720
Um, let, uh, okay, there were a few more for you, but I think just for sake of time,
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Uh, if you ever want to come back, I'm, you were wonderful, we'd be happy to get into
07:59:11.560
Uh, Zara, you're a rapper, I forgot about, I thought you were a singer, you're actually
07:59:26.500
You could never run from me, I always find you later.
07:59:30.320
Call of Duty, I am not a team player, I will grab you by the neck and dispatch you like
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Spooky, scary skeletons, I got these bitches shook.
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She thought she heard of me, you read it in a book, it ain't a damn thing changed, y'all
08:00:07.440
Is that, is that your, do you have a single, or?
08:00:09.760
Yeah, I just, I just put out a single, um, it's on my YouTube and my Instagram if you
08:00:16.120
Oh, we need to do this, uh, we do a segment at the end of the show, hold on, we're gonna
08:00:27.280
I'm fucking, I've been itching, I'm ready to take this shit off.
08:01:01.320
You are not beholden to your physical appearance.
08:01:22.160
I have to, I respectfully, I'll do it the next time I come here.
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Honestly, makeup is expensive to redo the whole look.
08:01:29.500
I'm down for the round two, but I'm saying, you should walk into that party confident as
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Do not allow the god of vanity to, you're a slave.
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Take it off, my dear, and free yourselves, free yourselves from the shackles of your mind.
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I think he's going to start serenading you next.
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I feel like none of you are wearing makeup compared to me.
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You dated the same guy for the last eight years, but you guys recently broke up.
08:03:14.740
We're not going to get into that, but every guy you've dated did music.
08:03:20.100
One topic you'd be interested in speaking on, dating a straight man and finding out that
08:03:26.680
he's secretly gay, bi, DL, and the implications of this on the woke LGBTQ community.
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I'm going into these relationships with these men.
08:03:43.800
This has happened to me multiple times where I'm like earnestly and honestly dating another
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And like, you know, we'll go through the relationship, whatever, like maybe he does something in the
08:04:06.740
And then afterwards finding out that like he had been hooking up with dudes or like he
08:04:25.960
I keep, well, you saw the picture of me as a man.
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Isn't it, isn't, don't they say he did some gay shit or something?
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I feel like that's not the worst thing that did.
08:04:40.520
Yeah, doing gay shit is not the problem, I don't think.
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Spiking people's drinks and taking advantage of them real bad.
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Listen, I don't have anything against men, straight men, let's say, I don't have anything
08:04:58.740
against straight men being bi-curious or wanting to experiment with their sexuality, just in
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the same way I'm not bothered by it when women do it.
08:05:08.700
There is a culture around the DL men, around these, like.
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Yeah, there's actually, one of the studies we did in my psych class.
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I think this is probably, this is how conservative women, well, shit.
08:05:27.060
Well, I was gonna say, you know, like, this might be more of a worry if you're, like,
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I think Red Pill, I think Red Pill refers to understanding truth and operating in reality.
08:06:16.640
People hate the Red Pill space because if there's truth, there's also lies.
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Denying reality and truth is how they justify their degeneracy and avoid taking accountability.
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He's got a dick pic saved ready to lock and load.
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Yeah, Brian's going to actually set you up with him, so don't do it.
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You could at least, like, hit him up a little bit.
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Mary, in the Discord, in the Discord, in the media, okay, the media under resources,
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it's the second one up, the Asmongold video, and then you're going to put it in video tab.
08:07:50.540
Okay, it's the second one up, the Asmongold video.
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Okay, so this is a, I'm going to, I'm trying to, you know, wingman for this guy.
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So I'm going to, well, let's watch the video first.
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Also, after that, get his Instagram going, I guess.
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Think of the age of, like, me having girlfriends and, like, dating and shit.
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I mean, like, realistically, like, I am older, and I'm also very much a degenerate.
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You know, again, like, I try to look decent on my screen, but I'm a weird-looking guy.
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And so I don't really think about getting married or having kids.
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I mean, it's something I would want to have to do.
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But, like, I just don't really think, I don't see it happening, if you want me to be honest.
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I think he's, he's, he's, like, he's, he, you know, he could actually do some looks-maxing, and he'd be fine.
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So the question is, we got a lot of single ladies at the table tonight.
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He could just lie, he could lie about his age to you.
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Is this supposed to be public humiliation for this guy?
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Respectfully, I don't think Asmongold would want a woman like me.
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If he did, if he was like, Zara Moon, I'm crazy about you.
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He doesn't leave the house, I think, is his whole thing.
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He might have misused the word, but he lives in Texas.
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Do you think he's like, how would you rate him on a scale of one to ten?
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Wait, I had something on this, but I, fuck, I totally forgot.
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And then, you know, oh, I remember because she's pregnant, right?
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We're going to get to your notes in just a moment.
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Um, I actually think that pregnancy is the best form of birth control.
08:12:00.580
You're a little late for that, don't you think?
08:12:10.600
Yeah, but it's like, uh, I feel like guys, guys should not sleep on pregnant women.
08:12:28.320
If you're a guy, and you're just looking for a little fun, and, you know, you're like,
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hey, look, I don't want to get a woman pregnant.
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I think it's going to ask a lot of a pregnant woman to want to have sex with just some dude.
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I'm not really focusing on, like, trying to hook up with, like, random dudes or whatever, so...
08:13:17.080
Well, I'm not saying hook up with random dudes.
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It's a bit of a benefit in the sense that, yeah, I can't get her pregnant again.
08:13:27.260
No, but you can get STDs and stuff like that that can get to the baby and stuff.
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So, yes, that's true, but, you know, being pregnant with another man's baby has never
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Unless you're loyal in a committed relationship.
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What if she's still in love with her baby daddy and wants to wait?
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All the girls just totally got really excited after.
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Our dear Chantal, her notes, her engagement fell apart because her fiance wanted a poly set
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Reading and sleeping with his toxic ex who cheated and lied on him before, he decided
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to loop her into the relationship, even suggesting you teach her to be better.
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When you wrote this, anyways, you were 13 weeks pregnant with his baby.
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It shattered your heart since you're monogamous and utterly...
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Assuming my love for him meant I'd comply, but no.
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Complicating it further, the very next morning, after dropping this bomb the night before,
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He'd left his phone behind, so for the first time ever, I checked it and discovered he has
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I started dating him, like, at the end of July.
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Yeah, he didn't tell her or disclose you had herpes.
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Especially if you're pregnant with this kid, that's insane.
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Do you want me to say it, or do you want to tell us the story of, like, the eight-year
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Just tell us about the living situation, I guess.
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I had a boyfriend that, for eight years, that lost his place, so I let him secretly live
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Because he didn't have anywhere to go, and so he would have been on the streets, because
08:16:54.740
And while I would go to work, he would be in my room, like, really quiet during the
08:16:59.160
day and stuff, and, like, whenever I'd have to be at home and open the door, like, he'd
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He'd hide under the blankets, like, in between the wall and the bed.
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I bet your parents felt like they were being gang-stalked.
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There's a whole other person living in my house.
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You hear him randomly while you're gone at work?
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They fucking hear him and be like, what the fuck was that?
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I let him stay even longer, I guess, like a year.
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And then I started dating somebody else, and, of course, I had to, you know, tell him to
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And he ended up kind of, like, trashing my room.
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So, like, my mom ended up seeing, like, the whole mess.
08:18:00.820
But for how long was he living at the parents' house for?
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He was super quiet during the day, and, like, he wouldn't ever do anything.
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Well, I mean, the truth is, he had, like, a drug problem, too.
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So, that's another reason why he was kind of in that situation, I guess.
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Chantelle, that is quite unfortunate, the situation you have found yourself in with the herpes guy
08:19:08.600
and the, how do you say, the pissing in the water bottles.
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I don't know how I feel about this, but, you know, some people, some people, it is...
08:19:32.320
Um, you found out, this is the eight-year guy, you, for example, you found out he was
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secretly, he had a problem with lying and cheating, he was secretly texting a very pregnant
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He was texting, was the prostitute pregnant because...
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She had, like, the only reason why I found out she was even a prostitute and she was pregnant
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Yeah, no, she was, like, very, very pregnant, like, eight months versus seven months, yeah.
08:20:19.060
I, you know, first trimester, I think I'm down.
08:20:27.300
There's not much bodily change after the first trimester.
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Okay, so I could do a little bit into the second trimester.
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I'll date her for four months, but then she's got to go.
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She's got to go after that, you know what I'm saying?
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You know, she needs companionship for the first bit of the pregnancy.
08:21:16.280
You were manifesting that shit, but the moment you changed...
08:21:18.620
He was actually about to slide into your DMs, but when you changed that shit up...
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Imagine getting a DM from someone that says, like, Willow Wolf's future boyfriend.
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Like, if some girl DMs me and she had a giant labia and it was like, Brian's...
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I know what I'm going to make a username later today just to fucking spit.
08:21:43.960
Some girl who's watching is for sure going to do some shit like that.
08:21:49.340
Hey, ladies, the YouTube name, Brian's big pussy is still available.
08:22:01.900
When no one was home, that's when he could shower.
08:22:04.420
When he was secretly living in your parents' house for three years.
08:22:12.840
I feel like this is a violation of your parents, though.
08:22:18.820
Well, they ended up having to find out because he...
08:22:23.380
He made a mess in the room, but they had heard some noise, and when they...
08:22:27.740
They didn't see him in the room, but they saw him, like, outside of the window, and
08:22:38.340
Sounds like a good plot for a horror movie or something.
08:22:56.320
Me and him grew up, so, like, we had a good relationship at one point, but it went bad after
08:23:19.460
...air punching or whatever, and he was, like, don't...
08:23:23.480
Yeah, he's the best dad ever, and he's a cop, so...
08:24:02.320
So, not only your dad, we don't have a thing, but he's, like, ripped and jacked or whatever.
08:24:08.120
Not only is he, like, could fuck up a boyfriend, like, he's also a cop.
08:24:15.600
I feel like that's kind of a little bit intimidating.
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Like, he's, like, he's intimidating until you get to know him, and then he's, like,
08:24:34.160
Like, if you had a boyfriend in high school, did he give them shit?
08:24:43.880
But, yeah, towards the end, I mean, he better never show a face again.
08:25:00.040
You let a fucking heroin addict secretly live in your fucking parents' house.
08:25:13.220
Well, he had intentions of stopping, and, like, he didn't...
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I'm going to tell my dad to sign off before this part.
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If I have a fucking daughter, and she's secretly letting her fucking drug-addicted fucking boyfriend
08:25:50.460
I gotta get something I can't let my daughter let her fucking motherfucking drug-addicted
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At the fucking door with you and your fucking drug-addicted boyfriend.
08:26:23.420
Hey, do you know how to do a Boston accent, speaking of?
08:28:15.160
That's the only time my East Coast accent comes out.
08:28:35.480
When you guys argued, though, tell us what you had to do.
08:28:46.480
Well, yeah, we would whisper, but if it was, like, really, if we had a lot to say, we'd
08:28:48.920
have to write it down back and forth to each other.
08:28:53.000
Yeah, I still have, like, a bunch of notebooks that just are just filled with arguments.
08:29:05.360
Look, you know, I just want to give some advice to the women watching out there.
08:29:14.500
I'm going to give you some good advice, ladies.
08:29:29.780
Also, don't date a woman who is gooning after a 20-year-old football player.
08:29:52.560
You say it was your second serious relationship.
08:29:59.340
Do you fix it while they're high on the heroin?
08:30:10.000
You only ever been in your five years with your high school sweetheart, eight years with
08:30:29.920
Have some class if you're going to cheat on her.
08:30:36.540
Third trimester, the day before the baby's born.
08:30:52.380
I think we did most of your notes, if I recall.
08:31:28.660
I think really the final thing here, you said status and money does not matter to you if
08:31:35.220
Although I would say, but there are a lot of men, if not for their status, wouldn't be attractive
08:31:47.500
And you think marriage should be prioritized as it was in the past.
08:31:51.120
And you disagree with Brian's take on marriage.
08:31:55.680
You don't agree with, okay, the children thing, whatever, but you don't agree with supporting
08:32:05.600
I guess really quick, what are your disagreements with me about marriage?
08:32:17.320
You're going to have to propose that I can get you the ring or whatever.
08:32:23.180
I just, I just think that that's like the greatest gift you could ever have.
08:32:29.860
And I just don't think that it's taken us seriously these days.
08:32:35.440
Do you think that's just for people our age or people in general?
08:32:44.560
So I'll do, we'll do like two minutes on the marriage thing.
08:32:47.080
Then you have one final note about like king men wanting to be treated like kings.
08:32:54.900
So I guess what is the specific, like the issue again with marriage, just that I don't
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That's going to be a real roadblock in our relationship.
08:33:07.640
Being that you're a submissive woman, you're going to have to defer to me on.
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I just think like, you don't, you just don't want to, but you, you've said that you would
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So you don't want to have, you don't want to get married?
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It's logically possible that a woman could be so amazing that I could get married to her,
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but no, that's not, I, I could find a woman who I could spend the rest of my life with
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We can have pretty much every single thing that we could otherwise get in a marriage without
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I feel like marriage is a certificate of like ownership over the other person.
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And it's like a legal document that says that you have like this legal responsibility
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And, and historically, you know, it's like men having to take care of women financially
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But, you know, I also like, I think love is real.
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Is marriage an antiquated tradition in our society?
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Is it, is an, I don't know if I would say it's antiquated.
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I would say that when it comes to marriage, whoever, whoever the breadwinner is, is, has
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And for this reason, uh, the financial liability is, is so severe that I think it's, and I, you
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know, if we lived in a different social order, different social dynamic where like divorce
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was frowned upon or, you know, it was, um, I don't think it isn't though.
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It really isn't even among like a lot of, maybe if you're like really seriously religious,
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it is, but even like women who consider themselves Christian, there's really not going to be any
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social, really much social stigma or social shaming, uh, in relation to if she, if she's
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I can tell you all the reasons why I don't like marriage.
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Can you just present to me reasons why I or other men should, I would never feel secure
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creating a home and a traditional male, female, like, I don't know, dynamic without the security
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And I would not feel comfortable having children outside of wedlock.
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So my question was, so you're, what you're doing is me, me, me.
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My question was, what would be convincing or compelling to the man?
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Well, if you want, if you want to be with me, we can't get married.
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So the guy could just echo the same argument and the guy could say, well, I feel insecure
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being married because of the potential risk of, of divorce and what that could mean financially.
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So again, give me just putting that all aside though.
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What is the benefit to the, I mean, I could say man, but just to be, I, you could say
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breadwinner because women could technically, what's the benefit to the breadwinner to get
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I mean, I think it's the security of like, you're, you're going out and you're doing work
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and I want to be a stay at home mom or I support like stay at home dad, whatever, if that's
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Um, I would take care of the home if the breadwinner wants to go out and win bread.
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I will take care of the home and I can do that without marriage.
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And that's the dynamic I want, but if you want, she's never going to have to work, but
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How does she know that you're not going to wake up tomorrow and leave her with nothing?
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Well, yeah, but I mean, legally people can escape marriage, whether you're the man, whether
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So this idea that, uh, marriage, it, it, I, it wouldn't bind me to continue to be with
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And I don't think like, okay, well, the only reason I'm going to stay with this woman is
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Otherwise, like if I divorce, she wants to stay with me, but I want to divorce, but if
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I divorce her, yeah, I was going to say, well, yeah, prenups can be challenged.
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Uh, even if you do have a prenup, well, yeah, it can be challenged.
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And then I believe with prenups, it can address, I could be wrong.
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I don't know if there's any lawyers in the chat, it can address the assets that were
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accrued prior to marriage, but I don't think prenups can supersede state law as it relates
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Like for example, uh, if in a prenup, I don't think you could say something like, Hey, if we
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I don't have the knowledge, the legal knowledge on that, but I don't know.
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I just think like, if you're with somebody you love and like, you want to start a family
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with, there should be no opposition to marriage.
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Like my parents, like they built their lives together.
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Like my dad works, my mom works when we need money.
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And other than that, like she stays at home, she takes care of the house.
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And there's, there's no possibility of divorce.
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Even when they've had rough patches, like you're working through it, you love each other.
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I mean, there's no divorce like that, at least in my opinion, I was never grown up with the
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idea that that's like an acceptable out and therefore there's no monetary issue if you're
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And that's why I think marriage is a sacred thing because it's like, you wait, you wait,
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And if it's not with the right person or someone that I think could give me the life that I
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want and someone that I would want to give, like what I can give to that person as well.
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But I mean, everything you just, everything you described there can be had.
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You can have a traditional dynamic absent marriage.
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Maybe you can, but I like me personally, I won't do it.
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Like, I just think you need the security of that.
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And I just think like, I don't know, like what the shift is, like in the way that modern
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relationships are run, that's changed from like marriages, like something that everybody
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Like, I don't know what changed, probably feminism.
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And I think that it should be valued as it was in the past.
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I know me and a lot of my friends like feel similar as well.
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Yeah, that football guy you like, would you be with him if he, but he doesn't want to
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Yeah, but he's like, look, I don't want to get married, but I'm going to take care of
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Like, the marriage contract is frequently breached.
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Like you said, it has consequences if it's breached.
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And if you're the breadwinner, she's still going to fuck you financially.
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And she's going to fuck the guy who she's fucking.
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As a woman, you can't cheat on your man and get paid out.
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I'm not entirely sure what a prenup could or couldn't allow.
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I'm not convinced, just my sense of it, that a prenup would like, you could just, okay,
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And I think that if, like, he were to cheat or I was a breadwinner, I'd be like, you don't
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And I would hope that he would be like, yeah, you know what?
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Like, I have respect enough for you to, like, just kind of call it a day.
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If I, like, cheated, I'd be like, all right, you know what?
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But I just think, again, like, it's basically respect and morality.
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Yeah, and I think that's, I don't think your position is unreasonable.
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I don't think, especially from your position, it's unreasonable.
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But, again, I'm still looking for, like, what is, to the breadwinner, to the man, what
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is the actual, aside from just getting you, like, what is the actual benefit that marriage
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Like, I just think that that bond is, that's what it is.
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Like, I don't think marriage is a financial, like, thing.
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Like, we could keep our entire finances separated, and I'd be okay with that.
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It's, I don't think it's going to save you if the woman is motivated enough.
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You know, they can lie, say there was coercion, fraudulent inducement.
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Prenups can't, you know, fully protect your finances completely.
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And ultimately, though, you guys said marriage is a legal thing.
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You know I'm a businessman because you find me at my places of business.
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You never sign a contract with someone who is rewarded for breaking it.
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And when women break the marriage contract by initiating the divorce,
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they are financially rewarded for it, for ending the relationship in a way that wouldn't occur
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From your perspective, well, let me ask this first.
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Assuming there's no abuse, assuming he treats the kids well, he treats you well,
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even in these sort of situations, whether you're the man or the woman,
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you could eventually, sometimes you eventually just fall out of love with somebody.
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If you were just vaguely unhappy, you were just vaguely unhappy, but he wasn't mistreating you.
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What if you go to therapy and you just, you've completely fallen out of love with him
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and it's, uh, it's irredeemable from your perspective.
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Uh, you can separate, like, you can separate, like, without, like, ending the divorce and
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Like, I mean, like, if that's, like, something he's, like, said on and he's, like, well,
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All right, well, you're consistent, but I would say that, and, you know, the thing is, though,
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what you're saying now, just how you said to me, it's just words.
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Women can say, you know what, I would never divorce you, but I think you find yourself in
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that situation, even if there's no abuse, there's no mistreatment, you're just, you've
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fallen out of love, you're no longer attracted to him, you're no longer in love with him, you're
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vaguely unhappy for one reason or the other, but again, no abuse, no mistreatment, no infidelity,
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no mistreatment, I do think that your attitude could change, could change, and, uh, let me,
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I'll talk to you again in 10 years, and it's just words, it's just words, you know, it's
08:46:10.880
Okay, well, 80% of divorces are initiated by women, so.
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80% just unhappy, or was there not abuse and whatnot?
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Well, hold on, yes, of course there are, there are bad marriages, and they could be, there
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could be abuse, there could be infidelity, I'm not discounting that, but.
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I, I hear the sentiment that, uh, you know, marriage is very risky, Brian, and, uh, I can
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speak, uh, for my parents who are still together for over 30 years, that it's a very beautiful
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So, and, of course, it's becoming more and more a rare thing in today's society, unfortunately,
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They've, they've been together for a very long time.
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Yeah, I mean, so even, even though I have this model in my parents in terms of, you
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know, they have a, uh, they've been married for a very long time, they, they love each
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I, I think that what you're describing there, though, of having this thing last a long time,
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What's in it for a woman to have a relationship with a man without there being the promise of
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What, what's in it for a, well, what are the things that women get out of relationships,
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Um, if you're having a bit more of a, well, I suppose I'd ask you that question.
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What do women get out of, what do you think women get out of relationships?
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Uh, you know, I guess first thing you get is companionship.
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Uh, the second thing that you get is someone to plan your life together.
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Uh, you know, beyond just companionship, like financially, you know, whatever other types
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of like structures that you have in place, whether you want to start a family or other
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Um, you know, for a woman, there's like a lot of emotional labor that goes into.
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I mean, you know, guys like always tell me like, oh, you're, you're like a therapist to
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It's like, no, we're going to go to actual therapy together.
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Because you, therapy, oh my God, therapy is a scam.
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Because we're, we're about to wrap if you want to, if within five minutes, if you want
08:49:29.640
My therapist wants me to become a therapist, but I don't.
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My mom was in a relationship for 13 years with my dad.
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And she always told me as a kid, she didn't want to get married.
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And now she's like, I don't know, 10, 10 years later, she's married with a man.
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And it, because like she found the right guy that she wanted, like she changed her mind
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I mean, the only, I'll get married if the woman is wealthier than me.
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I was going to say, I thought you'd be trying to share mommy.
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If, if Mackenzie Bezos or whatever wants to hit me up, hit me up.
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If you want to get the TTS in, this is, we'll just let this one come.
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Waking up early and getting home late is the blue collar lifestyle.
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What are the panelists thoughts on blue collar men?
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Lexi, you say that y'all want to be treated like kings just as much as we want princess
08:50:50.180
You know, I think the difference is, is that I think more men give princess treatment than
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You think that more men give princess treatment to women than women give king treatment, yeah.
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What I mean by that is, so if we look at like, there's the components, there's the dynamic
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Because women are the pursued, I think being the pursued gives you all the leverage.
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You can kind of dictate terms if you're the one being pursued.
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But they're pursued in the beginning, maybe, which not for me.
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But after a while, if the relationship is unequal, that's just not a healthy relationship.
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If it's like a guy goes out, gets my number, we get into a relationship, then it should
08:52:17.560
Like, I'm not saying women won't or don't give king treatment.
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I just think because of that sort of, the greater likelihood of the dynamic that the
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men is the pursuer, that creates a dynamic where I think women sit in this position of
08:52:34.040
you impress me, I'm the prize, I think women generally are in the dynamic I see is I'm the
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prize, dance for me, monkey, dance, be a little jester.
08:52:52.020
Maybe in the beginning, but I feel like after a while, I've seen so many of my beautiful,
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stunning, amazing, talented, and just overall amazing people do fucking charity work for
08:53:12.780
Well, I think this is kind of common for sex workers because the reality is if you're involved
08:53:24.840
I wasn't doing sex work for the first two years of that relationship.
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I think if you're involved in sex work of some kind, you have to overcompensate for it.
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You have to compensate for this way in which you are less desirable.
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I think that if somebody sees what I do for my job as any sort of negative, they're not
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If you see my job as something that you have to get over or you have to overcome or you
08:54:01.220
The person that I'm going to be with is going to be like, fuck yeah, I love that you do that.
08:54:04.960
I know men who support sex work and who also need to feel more special in a relationship
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It's not like I have like videos with other guys.
08:54:17.960
I think that maybe a lot of men might think that, but then they finally do get into a relationship
08:54:23.920
And they see all the baggage that comes along with it.
08:54:29.000
Oh, my girl is like, if you're on OnlyFans, she's basically sexting or you have a type
08:54:38.960
Well, even if you did have a typer or a chatter, you wouldn't admit to it anyways.
08:54:49.560
But I do think it's the case that men will eventually, they're going to see, they're
08:54:59.320
They're going to see, they're going to see the kind of the darkness of some of the sex
08:55:07.580
I kind of think there's a lot of negatives that come with sex work and I've changed entirely
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as a person becoming a stripper because of the baggage that comes with it.
08:55:18.920
Anything in person, I think, is kind of scary for me, like stripping.
08:55:24.100
Also, I do think that, look, you could get into sex work and I think that it draws a certain
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I think a lot of women drawn to sex work have, no offense, have issues.
08:55:55.380
Yeah, but also there's trauma that comes with the work.
08:55:58.900
Well, I didn't never say that, but there's trauma that comes with doing the work that
08:56:06.280
Well, what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, even if you don't go in, maybe you fucking
08:56:13.280
Even if you don't go in with any trauma, I think you're coming out of sex work or even
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if you continue on with the sex work, you're, you're, you're getting some scars.
08:56:26.400
I don't think I would recommend it to the average person.
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Customer service, getting berated as a McDonald's worker.
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I don't think that it has caused more harm than has caused sex.
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Do you think, generally speaking, a girl who goes and works retail at American Eagle is
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going to get more trauma than, like, being a stripper, being OnlyFans, being a sugar baby?
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Like, I just think if you aren't traumatized, there's a good chance you'll end up traumatized
08:56:59.520
Also, I think a lot of these men, a lot of these men that engage with you, I don't think
08:57:26.420
Y'all look, the strippers don't have love for these guys.
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And look, to me, I think some of it's maybe warranted.
08:57:33.820
Some of these guys get a little handsy, a little grabby.
08:57:36.260
And it literally comes with the job, but it comes, it's not right, but it comes with the
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And no matter what, like every girl I know who's a stripper is desensitized to getting
08:57:50.120
It's like, which to be clear, it's completely wrong.
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Even if you are a sex worker, that should never happen.
08:57:56.680
If you're a stripper, the men should keep their, unless you give them permission or whatever,
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But like, and also, even if the guys aren't grabby, I think you see like the men who are
08:58:15.720
I'm not saying all men that go to the strip clubs are bad or anything, but like these are
08:58:20.500
I mean, I would say it's akin to someone paying for an OnlyFans subscription.
08:58:28.140
Men that want to support women, because it's like, if you're going to consume.
08:58:40.780
He should just like Venmo you and be like, you're gorgeous.
08:58:46.260
He's paying for a sense of sexual gratification, I think is what you're getting at.
08:58:51.000
I think it's sad to glorify that behavior, honestly.
08:59:07.140
I mean, I have very mixed feelings about porn overall.
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And hey, I'm not trying to hate on you as an individual or anything.
08:59:20.800
And I think that the kind of guys that do pay for that, it's very desperate.
08:59:28.800
Honestly, it's kind of the men's fault because if they didn't pay for that.
08:59:32.840
OnlyFans wouldn't be a billion dollar industry if it wasn't for all the men funding it.
08:59:45.520
No high quality men has an OnlyFans subscription.
08:59:56.880
I mean, I like, I think there's so much trauma that I will never romanticize a sex worker,
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like make it seem like it's a great thing with great consumers.
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I love what I do, but they're so, yeah, I love what I do, but I can also acknowledge the bad
09:00:11.700
and I will never make it sound good or make the customer sound good because like from what
09:00:17.540
I've seen every day and like buying that, it's just not a great industry.
09:00:29.620
For someone like me, that's been in it for 10 years plus, I can say the draw, what keeps
09:00:35.960
me in the industry and what keeps me level headed and afloat and making money and everything
09:00:41.540
continuously is that first things first, I don't hate my customers.
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I don't think they're losers and I don't think that they're pieces of shit.
09:00:50.160
I think the thing that they appreciate about me is that I offer a form of companionship
09:00:55.720
and a form of acceptance as a woman that they don't get in their day to day lives.
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So beyond just me prostrating myself sexually or like, you know, showing my genitals to some
09:01:07.960
stranger, like there is a psychological component of I'm making myself vulnerable to you and
09:01:14.640
I know that you spent your whole life looking for a place where you could be vulnerable and
09:01:21.040
only fans gives you this unique opportunity to like, whether you're talking to a chatter
09:01:26.820
or a real person, you have the opportunity to actually like establish a relationship and
09:01:33.340
whether that's a real thing or like a parasocial thing, it's a parasocial thing.
09:01:49.340
Um, I do think really quick on the princess king treatment.
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I think average women can get princess treatment, but I don't think average men typically are
09:02:01.280
I think men bend over backwards just at the whiff of not to be crude, but like men, a
09:02:08.180
lot of men will move mountains to get some pussy.
09:02:13.280
Um, and I think there are men like women can be simps, but I think it's just way less common.
09:02:20.740
It's like, I guess it's a plan to man, king treatment, like women won't spend money to
09:02:30.620
Men will spend money to fulfill some sort of some degree of sexuality in them.
09:02:41.300
Any, uh, well, I don't know if we have time for final thoughts from anybody, anybody final
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I like to end the show by, Oh, just stay, stay for 30 seconds.
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Uh, I like to end the show with a call to action.
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I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you
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Would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight?
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I would, I would eventually, I want to work out of it.
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But I support myself entirely and don't have help, so I kind of need it.
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I think it's more of an apartment and my cats than yes.
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There's a, are you, are you Christian by the way?
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What does it mean to gain the world if it costs you your soul?
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I think it gave me a large part of what I need.
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Guys who are watching, hit the like button please on your way out.
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Also, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
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It's going to take about 30 seconds after we go to the outro screen.
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Yeah, I was crashing out at the beginning there.
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It's frustrating when like somebody no shows, you know.
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Like, look, it's a bit frustrating if you, you know, tell me like three hours before,
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I think she says she's like conservative or Christian or whatever, which seems.
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But then when it comes to actually showing up, it's like.
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I apologize if I was a little stressed out there at the beginning.
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You come in anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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