Feminist ACCUSES Him Of MlSOGYNY？! RAGE QUIT？! She Went FERAL？! Andrew Wilson! ｜ Dating Talk #244
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On this episode of the Whatever, Scuffed podcast, we discuss Bitcoin, Bitcoin, and other crypto-currencies. We also talk about the recent Bitcoin halving and what it means for the future of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
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With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education.
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And I have my bachelor's in political science and economics.
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And you said political science and economics, you said?
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I dropped out from Cal State Long Beach because they tried to make me get the.
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They wouldn't let me register for my second semester.
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I did like seven years, like many years of community college because I didn't know what
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Um, and, but so you went back to school, you were going to get your bachelor's, but then
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No, I was, I took like many years in community college.
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But you, you said you went back a bit more recently.
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No, that I was in community college for like, so I started for what?
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And then in 2021, um, I was in Cal State Long Beach and then they wouldn't let me register
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You, you were on American Idol in front of Katy Perry and I don't know who else is, was Simon
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for some reason I have more anxiety in front of you and I don't know why I think it's
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cause I saw, I saw Andrew's name on like the whole title and that, well, he's not here
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yet, but he's too, I'm shaking, thinking about it.
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If you're watching, he's not watching and his wife.
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I was watching like, yeah, there's some, yeah, but you were, okay.
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You were in front of Katy Perry and I don't know who's the other guy.
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That was the first time I ever sang in front of people.
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Get her, get her a shot of the tequila she gifted me.
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If somebody pops a ball of, if somebody pops a ball of champagne, I'll have some champagne.
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You guys, TTS, so Brian will take shots with me.
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Uh, disagree, disagree with the pricing on that one.
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And, um, my medical assistant, uh, I don't do that anymore.
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So now I just help take care of my father who's recovering from cancer.
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He's still going through his cancer treatment, though.
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And any education, college, anything like that?
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Uh, I have a bachelor's in culinary management.
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Or you said bachelor's in culinary management, it was?
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Any plans to go to college or anything like that?
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Maybe some, uh, you two might tangle on that one.
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I, uh, went to Cal State University, Long Beach.
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I have a bachelor's in psychology and also my education specialist credential.
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Um, I currently, I recently, recently went back to teaching and I also am an administrative
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Um, so if there's any people with lots of money or any OnlyFans ladies who would like
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to invest, um, there's a lot of money to be made in that arena.
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Wait, you want OnlyFans girls to invest through you?
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So, so one of the ways of, um, operating in, in business in the private sector would be
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to have, uh, something called a private membership association.
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So basically you're operating out of your, uh, your first amendment rights, which is through
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And so when you operate that way, instead of taking payments, you take donations.
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Um, there's lots of great ways to operate, um, that put you in a favorable position when
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it comes to business and taxes and many, many things.
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Um, so yes, um, it isn't necessarily a ministry in the way that people might consider it that
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Um, but you can't, you can't just, well, you can't just not pay tax.
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Um, however, um, operating in the private puts you in particular positions, but you
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cannot just opt out of, um, paying taxes is, is what I'm saying.
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But you said that, uh, what, what's the involvement?
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What's the involvement with, do you work directly with OnlyFans girls?
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I just put that out there since oftentimes there's, uh, several guests.
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Um, who say that they make a lot of money and, um, if that's something that they wanted
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to do to protect their assets, I didn't mean it that way, but, um, it would be an option.
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Wait, so the income generated, you're saying an OnlyFans girl could generate income, but
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if they set up, uh, like an organization in such a way that they, their OnlyFans income
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There are particular ways to operate, um, so that they're, well, uh, not necessarily because
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with, with, for their situation, um, they are going through a particular entity and that
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Um, but you could take the money you make and invest, um, and make money in that, in that
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I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist in Los Angeles, California, and a relationship
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coach and the author of the book, Outsmarting Egomaniacs, How to Respond to Narcissists and
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Both of them in psychology or are they, it's like sub category or?
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One is, um, one was an academic based, um, en route to a doctorate and then I changed my
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mind and did a clinical, um, emphasis in marriage and family to be licensed as a therapist.
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And you're a marriage therapist or relationship therapist?
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I'm 19 years old and I'm currently studying pre-business at UC Riverside, but I'm originally
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from San Francisco, California, and I'm also a content creator in the fitness niche.
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I post lots of mind, like self-growth and stuff like that too.
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If you're single, how long have you been single?
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And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
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Last relationship I was in was about two years ago and it was also my longest relationship,
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And the three-year relationships, the ones that ended two years ago.
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Uh, of the times it was off, who initiated those?
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I did the first time and then he did the second time.
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Were you guys, uh, what were the breaks in between the, during the off periods?
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Um, I'd say three months for the first one and maybe similar for the second.
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Uh, was there any infidelity in the relationship?
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But, so I was in a relationship for three years and we were hooking up for four years
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and we stopped talking to each other in July last year.
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Uh, so you, would you say you've been single for a year?
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Um, first one being his friends and family did not like me.
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When you say sex worker, what kind of sex work?
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Uh, and the other reason he broke up with you was because you refused to serenade him?
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No, it was because, so he let his friends and family get to his head and, um, he started
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coming up with like his own reasons, I would guess.
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How many different, uh, I guess clients did you have when it came to escorting?
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Cause most like, they weren't like all sexual, like.
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Yeah, that's fine if it's like sugar baby, but.
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Before him, it was definitely less than a hundred.
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Uh, when's the last time you were involved in sex work of any kind?
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I'm not trying to not give you an exact number.
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Well, I don't need a precise number, but you could say like over 50, over.
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Through your relationship, single for one year in this one year, uh, are you, is there
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So I'm only like sleeping with one person right now.
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And then some go off the roster, new ones come in, uh, at its peak throughout your whole
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Um, so right now I really enjoy my roster of men.
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Brian, you're giving me mathematical questions.
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The, I was, so I used to do a lot of Xanax, so I don't, I don't, no, I'm, I'm being dead
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Like I was like, I was like, I used to do drugs.
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No, like I was criminally addicted and I'm not anymore.
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I left after one day cause it was a bunch of heroin addicts and like, it just didn't
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They were like, I'm not to be, no, I'm not judging heroin addicts.
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But like the rehab I got sent to was like kind of low, um, low income cause like it was on
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Cause I don't have, my mom's not rich like that.
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One of the sugar daddies could have paid for it.
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Which one of the multiple of your sugar daddies got shot?
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He was very, oh my God, I probably shouldn't say this.
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I have people that are probably, okay, whatever.
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No, he was like very involved in the cannabis industry, not in like the low stratosphere.
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Like he was one of the pioneers, what you would see, the commercialization right now.
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And yeah, he was just like an asshole to a lot of people, had a lot of enemies.
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And yeah, so I was with him when he got shot the first time.
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Well, so before it became legalized, it's what, you know, there was a gray area.
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And then you were also addicted to Xanax, and then you went to rehab.
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It was like people that had like, you know, before you get veneers, the little nubs.
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Not to like mention, but I think people who have veneers don't brush their teeth.
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I think they go the op out so they can like have bad breath.
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They didn't brush their teeth, so they got veneers.
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So, the original question though was, how big was the roster to which you said, I don't
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Do you think, but there are probably windows of like lucidity.
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I have, I had one of the guys that was just like giving me money.
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And so, would you say maybe like at its peak, maybe the roster was 20?
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You said you've been single for two years, but are there currently like any guys in the
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And, excuse me, in the past two years, have you had any situationships or anything?
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What's, I guess, have you had like three months?
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The most recent was just a month long and that ended last week.
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So, I found out that he had a girlfriend of seven years.
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And they had just bought a house together in January.
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So, I blocked him and let her know and it's over.
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I don't want to air their drama, but she like called him first and talked to him for four
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Um, that's like a high school thing, I feel like.
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You're doing some high school shit with your nine deep roster.
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I just haven't talked to more than one guy at a time in like a very long time, I feel.
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If a white guy was like, wow, you're so exotic, wouldn't you raise an eyebrow?
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Yeah, like, why can't they just give like a normal compliment, I feel like?
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Looking at you two from the side, you guys look like you could be related.
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Is that because you think that like, if they think that you're beautiful and exotic,
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that your beauty is a fetish and not just beauty?
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What about, whoops, that pen just flew out of there.
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I've been single for about two and a half years.
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Is that from your first, second, or third marriage?
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And how old were you when you had your, is it daughter, son?
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And that, okay, so give me the chronological order of the three marriages.
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So how old were you when you first got married?
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And then your second marriage, how old were you?
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Okay, so not too long after the end of your first marriage.
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Well, we were like married, like agreeable married for about maybe five months.
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And back then that was before cell phones and even computers, really.
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I mean, people had computers, but they weren't like mainstream.
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And yeah, like you, I was an exotic dancer years ago.
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Yeah, it's a big naval station, Air Force Base too out there.
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We were only, well, legally as far as dates from 93 to about 90, beginning of 94.
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And then the third one, I was 22 when I married him.
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I loved him as a friend, but I wasn't in love with him.
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And I thought maybe, you know, down the road, I can have maybe a kid or two and try to do
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And he was really wanting to start having babies.
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And you said, okay, that lasted, and sorry, you were 22?
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But are you, did you like the guys, but you just already been through it, and you didn't
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At the time, well, my last engagement that I had, I, he wanted to, I wanted to, but it
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He was going through some legal crap, and he wanted me to move where he was, and he actually
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So we were like, okay, well, if you're going to have to do any kind of jail time, why would
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I want to move up there if I'm going to have to come and visit you here?
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Just take your ring back, and you can just go your own way.
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And you said you were a sex worker, was it just the dancing you were doing?
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You currently do OnlyFans, though, is that right?
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And you said you had one kid that was, she's 15, and it was from a one-night stand, you
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How much, just out of curiosity, how much does he pay in child support?
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Okay, and for your marriages, did you receive any alimony?
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No, because they were pretty short, so I don't think...
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Well, that, and I didn't even ask for it, because I didn't want something to be tied
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And I even gave back my rings and everything to him, too.
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And you said you've been single for two and a half years?
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Was that when, that was the end of your four-year relationship with the father of your son?
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So, um, I had to get a restraining order for him to get out.
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When you say he wouldn't leave, were you guys living together?
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You had to get him evicted because he was legally a tenant.
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I don't want to say anything bad about my son's dad.
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So for the past six years, though, have you dated at all?
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Any girl who says they don't have a hoe phase is a liar.
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I've had moments where I've gone on, like, mini dates.
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Whatever your sense of hoe phase is, like, describe the hoe phase.
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So, you're, like, you were just going on, like, three dates a week, four dates a week, five
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Just, like, whenever the opportunity came, like, sure, I'll go on a date.
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And wait, you said you were involved in, you were a dancer?
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What was the, it seemed like you're saying or suggesting there was.
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Like, just meeting people at the club and doing extra things.
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You know, what happens in the champagne room stays in the champagne room.
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But sometimes, like, couples would come up and want me to go hang out with them.
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You'd be in the cuck chair, like, watching, crying in the corner?
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Yeah, one time, I'm like, let's light some candles.
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But you were, like, you did engage in, like, sexual activity for money?
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Like, would you go home with guys after the club?
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Guys would come to the club, and then they want, you know, extra things.
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Or dates, or just take me to Vegas, or whatever.
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Well, that's, here's the, I've said this on the-
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I could be with the most beautiful girl, and she's like, look, I like you, Brian, but I'm not
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Because it's, I don't know as a girl, like, why?
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You stop off with the HJ, then you work your way up.
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Probably get laid enough to where you don't need an HJ.
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She could be the most beautiful woman in the world.
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Right, but he's saying if we're not going to be intimate, I don't need you to, like, do me this thing.
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It means that you like her, you respect her, and you want to have a good experience, maybe.
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And I think a guy who wants a handjob, she's my attorney.
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No, but also, the guy who wants a handjob, he just wants to nut.
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That's what they go there for, and that's what you offer.
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Right, so I'm saying Brian wants the full three-course center.
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I just think it's cool that you want the connection and not the handjob.
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No, Carla, thank you very much for the endorsement.
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I think it's more like being given a two-cent tip.
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You're not like a guy that's going to go search for an HJ.
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I think you guys are being a little too charitable here.
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If all that's on the table is a handjob, would you rather just not get the handjob?
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She could be like, if I don't give you one, it's over.
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Or maybe she gets too comfortable with just doing just that and not anything else.
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Don't hit go live, but you see next to starred where it says live?
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Someone said, no one's giving me an H-J better than I'm doing it myself.
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Although, Jazz, you should see what they've been saying, don't you?
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And how long were you guys dating before you got married?
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And are you guys like high school sweethearts, or how did you guys meet?
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I mean, he was 20, and I was 17 when we met, so I was like senior in high school.
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Are you holding off on that a little bit, or do you have a plan for when you guys would
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I think probably within, like, one to two years.
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Like, if they're not in college, similar stage of life.
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I feel like in the South, that's kind of common.
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You were together 13 years total or married for 13 years?
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I was in a five-year relationship when I was starting at 19, 19 to 24.
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And then the, hold on, getting the timeline here.
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So five-year, you have a kid from the five-year relationship when you were a bit younger.
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You guys went to court or was it just kind of informally?
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From the get-go or did it like increase over time?
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He saw his dad every other weekend and on Wednesdays.
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And then he got to a certain age, and he did not want to go to his dad's anymore.
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And then your 11-year-old, same sort of situation?
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And your five-year relationship, who initiated the breakup, I guess?
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And then, so you had the 13-year relationship, the five-year relationship, any other long relationships,
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And you've currently been seeing a guy for one year.
00:44:39.800
No, I would say the current one is the longest relationship because we've been together now
00:44:46.620
The other one, though, you said was seven years or eight years?
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We have very different personalities and just kind of drifted apart.
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And any other long relationships that weren't either of these two?
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Um, they would have had to have been in my 20s.
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Not as long as these, but maybe like a year or a couple of years or three years at the
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Uh, from your first marriage, did your ex-husband, uh, does he pay you child support?
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He did for a little while until I told him he didn't have to anymore.
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Um, yeah, again, both for a little while until it was no longer needed.
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Yeah, I was in graduate school and, um, he supported me and we came to our own agreement
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And around the time I got licensed and was moving in with my current partner before we got
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married, I didn't need his money, so I, I told him to stop.
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My boyfriend and I have been dating for almost a year and my longest relationship is two years.
00:46:45.160
And your two-year relationship, who broke up with who?
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So we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here in just a moment.
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Let me see if we have any chats we can pull up.
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We got a lot of really great notes that we're going to get into, guys.
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And reminder, Andrew is going to be calling in a little bit later.
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The first thing that we're going to react to, uh, Mary, if you can pull up that article.
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This was kind of going viral and I thought it was interesting.
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So here, pause that, pause, pause that video, pause that video.
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I don't, I don't know what kind of bullshit they're going.
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24 year old Australian woman set friend on fire for making misogynistic remark.
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An Australian woman allegedly, allegedly lit her longtime friend on fire because he made a misogynistic remark during a wild night of partying.
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A court heard earlier this month, Corby, 24, pleaded guilty in court to the arson attack on Jake Loder, 23, saying she felt overwhelmed by his antagonistic behavior throughout the night before she was finally set off by a sexist remark he made during a house party in New South Wales last year.
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According to the ABC, scroll down a little bit, uh, Loder told her, uh, she should, so the misogynistic, the alleged misogynistic comment was she should stay in the kitchen making scones.
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If she couldn't handle drinking with the boys, which sent the 24 year old into a rage, the court heard, according to the outlet, she grabbed a gallon of gasoline from the garage and doused, uh, the guy with the flammable substance, waving a lighter at him threateningly.
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If it's like these, look, I don't condone, I don't condone violence, but if somebody is like threatening you with a gun, you probably shouldn't say, go shoot me pussy.
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Like you probably shouldn't taunt or provoke somebody who's got, you know, who's threatening physical violence.
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And then they get, look, you shouldn't do it, but come on.
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He was drunk though, and he had consumed nose candy.
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Uh, Wappily then touched him with the lighter, setting him ablaze.
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Loader sustained burns to 50% of his body and had some of his sweat glands burned off.
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He was put in a medically induced coma for eight days after the attack, according to a victim impact statement read in court.
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He required 10 operations and spent 74 days in a burn unit at a Melbourne hospital, according to the statement.
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Uh, suffered burns, the friend, uh, he can't step outside because of the damage.
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Uh, she had been, I guess, taking, drinking and taking substances.
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Uh, the, she claimed she was pushed to the edge due to his misogynistic comments.
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Uh, and was being antagonistic throughout the night.
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I find it very hard to believe the injuries that were caused was from my doing.
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She pleaded guilty to one charge of burning or maiming by using corrosive fluid.
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So, she's back in court this month for sentencing.
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So, I want to go around the table on this, get the panel's reaction.
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So, the allegations here are he was making, throughout the course of the night, various
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misogynistic comments, get back in the kitchen, something like that.
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Do you think that's, uh, I think that's an appropriate?
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I think it's a fair response, starting with you, going around the table.
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Um, I think if he's less misogynistic now, it's probably a net positive.
00:51:32.620
Wait, so, just to be clear, a man was, uh, was nearly burned to death.
00:51:38.320
And, uh, I think your knee-jerk initial reaction is, well, if he's a bit less misogynistic.
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That, that's the, that's the, what, so when you say net positive in totality.
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And, like, he's going to have to suffer for the rest of his life because of it.
00:51:56.060
But, if, like, his casual misogyny is lessened.
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What's the calculus on it being a net positive?
00:52:08.960
Um, let's say if he just stayed, like, super misogynistic and, like, got his friends together
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and they were all kind of like that, then they're kind of causing a lot of hell on women.
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So, if he's less misogynistic now and he's not getting all his guys together to say things
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about women, it, you know, it doesn't affect as much.
00:52:29.640
Okay, so what you're saying is, is that, um, serious bodily.
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So, what you're saying is serious bodily injuries, so long as within your purview, there's a, uh,
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I can't even wrap my head around the comment you've just made, but violent crime, not as bad.
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Or, sorry, uh, violent crime more bad than misogynistic joke.
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Um, because if you're constantly talking bad about women in that way or saying that women,
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you know, should stick to these sort of roles, it perpetuates in the long term kind of violence
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But also, um, just to be frank, I was kind of kidding and it is wrong of her to have done that.
00:53:34.420
You just, you just said that there was a nuance.
00:53:41.780
Um, yeah, I just think in this specific situation, I'm not saying everyone should light, uh, men
00:53:47.540
on fire because that would make the world better.
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I'm just saying in this instance, if it happened to make him less misogynistic, it's probably
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So what you're saying is, yes, it was bad that he got lit on fire.
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But if, if the outcome is that he's now less allegedly misogynistic, that, that it was
00:54:18.260
Um, because in order for your statement to be true, that it's a net positive, it would
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If you could time travel back in time, would you kill a baby Hitler?
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So you, I don't have a definite answer on that, but I do denounce the genocide of the
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That's not really answering my question though.
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Cause what would happen if I killed baby Hitler and then like Mussolini did something even
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I don't know the butterfly effect, but I, I would say if the only difference there is
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that Hitler didn't exist and then like the concentration camps didn't happen.
00:55:09.320
So what's your, you, you did, I don't know if you're like walking back your position a
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little bit doing a mod in Bailey, but you said that you're joking, please be more specific
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though, because you're saying there's nuance to the situation.
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So again, is her act justified because of the net positive, assuming the net pot, assuming
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he's going to be less misogynistic now, is it justified to some degree?
00:55:40.920
Well, yeah, if we're talking about long-term effects on like what potentially his statements
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and actions could have caused against multitudes of women, like more than just one person.
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And is this your subjective opinion or like you think objectively?
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Obviously, um, if it was objective, I think that would mean that if we just burned everyone
00:56:00.540
who said that, then like the world would be better, but I don't necessarily think that's
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And, uh, so what if, what if, uh, I had a position that feminist rhetoric is damaging
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and there was, there was a, uh, a, uh, a movement to basically like light on fire every single
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And if I could prove to you, like if I could, uh, demonstrate that there would just, it would
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clearly be a net positive on society to burn feminists, you would then be in favor of that
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Um, if that were the case and you could prove that, then I guess technically sure.
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But I'm anti-violence and I don't think this on a grand scale would actually.
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Well, you yourself wouldn't, uh, perform or participate in said violence, but if like
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And I, yeah, I don't want anyone to be lit on fire.
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It's potentially less harmful what she did compared to what potentially, but this is all
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Let me, while I ask you this, so like, so you're, you're a feminist, right?
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Um, just equality and equity for everyone, no matter your gender identity.
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So you think feminism is not about, uh, gender equality?
00:57:44.180
Well, feminism historically, if we are talking about like first wave, second wave, third wave
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had, um, super specific, um, like reason and outcome, like gaining the right to vote
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and owning banks and property and stuff like that, or their own bank account.
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Um, I think now we're in a different situation where we have, in a lot of ways, equal rights
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legally, but I think socially women and men suffer in the structure that we have right
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I think some people, and what do you think about, uh, are you in favor of deconstructing
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Um, so, oh, I had a good follow-up question on this.
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If she wanted to get back at him, she should have gnomed his house.
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Gnomed his house or sent like Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Oh, I, I recall going back to you really quick and then I'll let the rest of the panel
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Um, so going back to you, uh, it sounded like, and this is perhaps going back to your, your
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Um, so probably this is within the feminist purview.
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Uh, you would probably, you might agree with the following statement, like, uh, women are
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This is especially prevalent in like SA statistics, um, and, uh, other sort of forms of like sexual
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violence and just, uh, inter-partner violence in relationships, right?
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So for example, you could probably get rid of most of this, uh, at least within your worldview
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if you just got rid of men entirely, would that then be a net positive to just get rid
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If all the men weren't there, then who's purpose, who's doing the violent crimes and acts.
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But I think men are just as much of a victim and the structure that we have now.
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And that causes them to commit the violence, suppressing your emotions from a young age,
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uh, putting specific roles on men as man of the, man of the house and man up and stuff
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like that, they tend to act out violently because they can't, um, express their emotions or they
01:00:23.660
don't have a space like women do to where like, we're known as being emotional and like, so
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Not that we're not judged for it, but still we're able to without being emasculated.
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So, um, although men are the oppressors, it doesn't mean that they themselves aren't,
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um, victims at the hands of the patriarchy too.
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I might get into some of that stuff a little bit later on in the show, but you said men
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So just, just, just so I fully understand, men are, men are oppressors collectively as
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And women are oppressed, or oppressed collectively as a group.
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Um, I think the main reason, the main ways that I see it in my daily life is like the
01:01:26.880
And then the commodification of that sexualization.
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So, Korn and OnlyFans, and it's seen as kind of like women empowerment, but I think, um, it's
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just teetering a dangerous line of, um, just like becoming that role of women in society.
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Would you say the hyper-sexualization of women, and you, you said this applies to you
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yourself, is this systemic or is this on an individual level?
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The existence of Korn and OnlyFans affects every woman, no matter if they participate
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But wouldn't these industries also systemically impact men?
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Well, you said, uh, OnlyFans, Korn, they systemically impact women.
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But then, I would argue, they systemically also would impact men.
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So, then men are oppressed systemically on the, because of OnlyFans?
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I'm not saying, men have the ability to be the oppressors.
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I'm not saying that they aren't also oppressed, um, in their own way as well.
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But it's at the hands of themselves, almost, because they have the power to oppress, and
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Not individually, um, just, um, just kind of the bro-pilled ideology of, like, man up
01:02:54.000
and get in the gym, and this is what women want to see, and it's, like, all kind of,
01:02:57.960
it's, they're not talking to women to see what women really want.
01:03:09.080
Well, just this, I, because I'm thinking about the internet and how that kind of gym content
01:03:13.560
kind of pushes you into this field of, like, bettering yourself, but then you get into,
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No, I'm just saying it's kind of like a rabbit hole that you go into on the internet.
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Wait, physical fitness is a rabbit hole for right, extremist right-wing propaganda?
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Because it's, I mean, think of, like, Andrew Tate, like, he's all about self-betterment
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and all of those kinds of things, and that's super similar.
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I'm talking about media as it is now, not simply because you go in the gym and get stronger
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I'm saying, like, the pipeline on the internet is kind of algorithmically leads you there.
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Yeah, but just because Andrew Tate advocates for, like, strength training and getting in
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physical shape, I don't think you can draw from that then, oh, any sort of advocation
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towards increasing your health or physical strength would indicate that you're, like,
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going to go down some, like, right-wing extremist pipeline.
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Yeah, I'm just saying that's mainly what I've witnessed.
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Do you think that your scope is a bit, and, yeah, just a bit narrow-minded?
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Nothing against you, but because of social media, right, you know, like, for example,
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if I only watch the whatever podcast, I may think, you know, all people think in this
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If I'm only seeing Andrew Tate, you know, and my algorithm pops up more stuff like that,
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right, and I don't agree with that, I might think that all men operate in a certain way,
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when in actuality, that's not the case whatsoever, right?
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And a lot of, I mean, a lot of what I hear you saying is very, very negative towards
01:05:06.220
men, and I happen to think that men are actually pretty incredible, and if you have time to
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look at all that they really do bring to the table, I think they bring so much more than
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we do, and, you know, because we are very emotionally minded.
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We think of me, me, me, and so on and so forth, and I know that's kind of going...
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Women, right, and I know it's kind of going away a little bit from what you're saying,
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but I just think that, you know, if you're seeing particular algorithms, especially with
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social media, then we have this idea that all men are a certain way, when in actuality,
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I was just drawing a kind of a correlation between men's betterment and improvement and
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getting in the gym, I see strongly correlated to red pill ideologies online.
01:05:55.920
And I don't actually know specifically what red pill ideology is, that like it's basically
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like the conservative view, would you agree that it's more that route?
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And have you taken time to look at what the conservative view actually is when it comes
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to society as a whole, and how it contributes to our children and the betterment of society?
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I just kind of disagree with placing binary roles onto people.
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I think it's dangerous for society, and I think that's why the suicide rates are exponentially
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So I just kind of disagree with the idea that men should act a certain way and women should
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And when I see these types of things perpetuated online, I think that's dangerous, especially
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when it's kind of strung up as self-improvement and betterment, when it's just kind of like
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I want to let Savannah come in here because Savannah, you describe yourself as feminist
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She said, I think, I don't want to mischaracize your argument, but you're saying that the gender
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roles or perhaps traditional gender roles when it comes to men and women, these are harmful,
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So I would agree with you that I think most men that weightlift are conservative, and I
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think that there's a reason that most men that weightlift are conservative.
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Generally speaking, I think conservatives take better care of themselves.
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I've never really seen a liberal with a ton of muscle.
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But the conservative movement, especially with Make America Healthy Again, has pushed
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that, of course, because our side actually wants people to weightlift, to eat healthier,
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to stop taking medicine, and the liberal side doesn't want that.
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So I think that that's not a bad thing for men to be conservative and manly and masculine
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I was just saying there is a correlation there, is all I was saying, which you agreed with.
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I think that they should have muscle on their bodies.
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I think that they should be able to protect their families and have muscle and strength.
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I think maybe we see more conservatives with a lot of muscle or into bodybuilding more than
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maybe people on the left, because the left seems to be more interested in academia.
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When we look at demographics and universities, they're getting degrees more, and they happen
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to be Democrats, registered Democrats, rather than Republicans type things.
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So I think it's just more of a social area, where if you're conservative, this is your
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crowd you hang out with, you all go to the gym.
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And I think it stems from that binary role of men being strong and protectors and wanting
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to take care of, protect the house and things like that.
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I think if you want to do that in your own time, in your own household, I think if you
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look at someone who doesn't fit into that binary or gender identity, and you say, this
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is how you should act, man up, I think that can be dangerous.
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So you think telling men to weightlift is dangerous?
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I think that the reason that we don't live in a society with a bunch of masculine and strong
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men is because we haven't been telling them that for the past, you know, since first
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We haven't been telling men to man up and get in the gym and eat healthier and get a
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You think men aren't as manly now is what you're saying?
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I would, I would like everybody to weigh in on that.
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I agree too, but yeah, I completely agree, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.
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So I, I'm, I'm assuming you want to get married one day.
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Hypothetically speaking, if you were to be, you know, choosing your husband, would you
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rather have a man who has a lot of muscle and he's masculine and he provides for you
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and he takes care of the children and he's the head of the household, or would you rather
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have somebody who's passive, feminine, weak minded, doesn't really look super masculine
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I would like a partner who we have equal responsibilities together.
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If we're talking physique, um, I do go for, honestly, I want to say I want a tall man
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So you're, you said your own preferences, right?
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So you said you would like a guy with who's tall and with muscles.
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The, you were in a, uh, three year or sorry, uh, no three year relationship.
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Um, he was taller than me and he went to the gym.
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So your longest relationship, was that the guy who was tall and muscular?
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Well, when we say muscular, I mean, was he athletic?
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I don't think we should force every man to have to be this protector of the household
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Like we may not see, or people may not see this in the immediate, but I mean, it's, it's
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Um, but longterm, um, I mean, you're looking at really the downfall of society in a sense,
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not just that alone, but, um, and I don't disagree that like women should be able to
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Um, however, we've taken women out of the home.
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Um, you know, other people are taking care of our kids.
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I mean, I can tell you firsthand, even though there was another man in the house, I essentially
01:12:25.960
And I can tell you without going into detail that I have an emotional 22 year old who is
01:12:37.300
We have, you know, this lack of masculinity and, and it's, I think that it's being, uh,
01:12:42.920
looked at as like, it's a, it's a, it's a bad thing to be masculine and a caretaker and
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to, you know, even if you want your wife or your significant other to stay at home or things
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Um, I think when you look as a whole to society, you see why it's necessary, even if like for
01:13:02.060
me, um, that means I might have to give up things I want because there are certain things
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that I like, like I, you know, didn't, I don't necessarily want to be at home all the time,
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but if it's for the greater good, then I would forego that.
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And I think we have to consider the betterment of society as a whole.
01:13:19.400
I believe it's also because like we were talking about earlier, women are naturally more emotional
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and then we know that men, they're just built stronger.
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So it's like men should work on that, like privilege, like that benefit that they already
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have, that they're stronger so they can take care of the house.
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Like whenever there's anything that's physical, that's needed.
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And then women like us, we should be more with the kids, like in tune with them and like
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talking about these emotional things and helping them to overcome like certain troubles.
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Well, Jazz, I think you're going to probably disagree with her.
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She said that, she said, I'm just repeating it, that women are more emotional.
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But isn't, wouldn't that be in contradiction of your, hold on, wouldn't that be in contradiction
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of your whole like, uh, rejection of the gender binary?
01:14:15.460
Um, so there's a biological and genetic predispositions between the genders.
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So there are differences between men and women biologically and genetically.
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The way we think, our testosterone, our hormones, sure.
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But I think nurture has a lot more to do, um, with how we turn out rather than our nature.
01:14:36.460
But I think the way that gender exists right now in such binary roles, um, we're perpetuating
01:14:44.880
And I think that's dangerous because there are a lot of gender identities that exist with
01:14:50.540
So I think it's very limiting to the human experience to say that because we're naturally
01:14:55.320
this way, we should exasperate those differences and not kind of go outside of those binaries
01:15:01.760
because we can, we just choose not to and think it's better.
01:15:05.300
So essentially, do you care like about the traditional gender roles that we have already?
01:15:10.280
Like, does it matter for a man to be like going to the gym and stuff like that?
01:15:15.020
And does it matter for a woman to be at home cooking, taking care of the kids or it's like
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the roles can be switched and there's like nothing wrong with that?
01:15:23.360
Um, I, I see a lot of, um, relationships where the man is kind of the stay at home husband
01:15:32.220
There's a really popular couple in TikTok, lady with red hair and her husband like cooks
01:15:39.820
Um, and I think if that works for them, that works for them, but I do want to go back to
01:15:44.360
something you were saying about how you raised your son on your own and you're a woman and
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There are statistics to back that up that, um, children that are raised with just the
01:15:54.660
mom in the house aren't as well-equipped socially in society as if they're raised with just a
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And I don't think that's because women are incapable of giving that.
01:16:05.140
I think the way society is constructed, women have to rely on men so much that when the man
01:16:16.860
I think we have just as much as an ability, um, to raise somebody, but in the way that we
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structure gender now in society, it makes us kind of incapable and unable to.
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I don't, I don't disagree that we are not capable of raising children on our own.
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So I'm more likely as a mother, as a woman to give into things that a father would say,
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no, things are going to be this way and this is how it's going to go.
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Um, whereas I can, you know, I'm going to cave into things or because my marriage was a particular
01:16:53.000
I felt like I had to make up for those things by allowing things I should not have allowed.
01:16:58.060
Um, I mean, I, there's, I, there's definitely, you know, mothers out there who can be very
01:17:02.880
strong, logical, make those decisions and stick to those decisions.
01:17:06.600
But by nature, we are not necessarily like that.
01:17:09.960
And I mean, I can see it with, um, my daughter's father.
01:17:13.460
I mean, uh, there, there's times where I think, oh, he's being mean.
01:17:17.440
And then, but you know, over the last few years, as I've come into realizing that there's
01:17:22.200
order for a purpose, I see where, where it's okay if dad sounds mean or, you know, if he's
01:17:31.400
So, so I've come to actually appreciate that and understand the need for it because I couldn't
01:17:39.560
There are times where my kid does something wrong and I'm going to raise my voice and I'm
01:17:43.240
going to be very firm and this is going to be what it is.
01:17:45.740
But ultimately, generally speaking, a man serves a different purpose, right?
01:17:51.800
And so I do think that, um, and I mean, I could go into, you know, the whole feminist,
01:17:57.700
the, the origins of feminism, not the origins, but some of the reasons behind it is pulling
01:18:02.880
the woman out of the home and creating this disharmony, um, for our children.
01:18:09.320
And, um, again, I, you know, I went to school, I worked, you know, full time.
01:18:17.700
Um, and if I had to go back to do again, despite the fact that, you know, I would have craved
01:18:25.440
more intellectual stimulation than being at home all day, I would have done it because
01:18:29.860
I think ultimately it's, it would have been the best thing to do, um, for at least for
01:18:36.480
Um, with my daughter, you know, I, I would, well, situation's different, but I would love
01:18:43.960
I just would disagree that it's purely nature is the reason that these are the outcomes.
01:18:49.780
I think we perpetuate our, um, genetic differences so much in societal roles that women are incapable
01:18:57.620
in certain areas, like you said, to say no and to the, to do the dad role.
01:19:02.060
And I think it's because we push those roles so much when, if we kind of destructured the
01:19:07.920
way that we had gender identities, um, then women could be a whole person in a way.
01:19:14.280
And men could also cater to people emotionally and on a different level.
01:19:21.980
Like I'll even grant that if you go way back into ancient societies, if you want to talk about
01:19:26.760
genders and such, you know, there's, there's old or ancient societies that had multiple
01:19:32.660
But setting that aside, if you look back at all throughout time, women had a particular
01:19:41.380
And it's actually, instead of, I think it gets demonized, but in actuality, it's a really
01:19:47.540
Um, and we're trying to change it to fit this new box that's been created.
01:19:53.220
And I, I just, I just think order exists for a reason.
01:19:57.700
Um, I'm not, you know, nothing against particular people or, or anything like that, but I, and
01:20:03.040
I just, and I can say that, um, and it doesn't have to be my age.
01:20:06.300
It could just be, you know, the fact that I've learned a little bit more over the last few
01:20:10.280
Um, I just think it, um, it all serves a purpose.
01:20:14.580
Once you see things, they all fall in line instead of trying to like having a Rubik's cube
01:20:20.500
and trying to make all these pieces fit when they don't really fit.
01:20:25.280
I don't, you know, I would, I would like to go back to what you said about pushing traditional
01:20:30.520
roles on men and women is dangerous, but we actually, I mean, in the past, I don't know,
01:20:35.720
20 years or so, we haven't been pushing those traditional roles on men and women.
01:20:39.880
We've actually been doing the opposite and society has gone downhill.
01:20:44.640
So how can you say that pushing traditional roles are dangerous when we've done the opposite
01:20:51.480
In what ways do you think we're all of a sudden not pushing gender norms and roles onto
01:20:57.420
And in what ways do you think society is being negatively affected?
01:21:01.660
I mean, so as far as not pushing traditional roles on people, right?
01:21:05.100
Like I think as women, we are told now and in this century that our career, our degree,
01:21:10.220
our title is more valuable than being a wife and a mother.
01:21:13.720
We're told that like, we essentially have no value.
01:21:16.660
I mean, and I can attest to that because I post all the time about my lifestyle on social
01:21:20.860
media and I post that I don't have a college degree and I don't necessarily have like a
01:21:24.560
stable career and I get a lot of backlash for that.
01:21:27.220
And a lot of people will say, well, you don't really have any like value to you.
01:21:33.440
And on men, I mean, you said it like they're, they're basically told that they have toxic
01:21:39.400
masculinity if they want to be strong men and they want to be masculine.
01:21:42.800
So I actually think that we've done the opposite and we haven't pushed traditional roles on
01:21:47.780
That's why you see women becoming more masculine and you see men becoming more feminine.
01:21:52.140
So do you think that all women should be in the house and taken care of?
01:21:58.140
I don't necessarily think that all women need to be stay at home wives and mothers.
01:22:01.760
I mean, in Savannah's perfect world, I wouldn't make women go work nine to five corporate jobs
01:22:06.760
that are literally just not good for their hormones.
01:22:08.820
They're being, you know, bossed around by a boss all day.
01:22:12.540
So in my perfect world, if women wanted to work, they would either go the entrepreneurial
01:22:16.100
route or they would work until they became mothers and then stayed home with the children.
01:22:19.760
But there is a lot of evidence that moms that stay home with their children, the children
01:22:26.620
So I would say, yes, it's important once you have kids to figure out how to stay home with kids.
01:22:31.000
I don't think that we need two incomes in today's society.
01:22:34.360
I think that, you know, we're a society that chases after so many materialistic things and
01:22:38.900
oh, we need two cars and we need this crazy mortgage and we need designer bags and we need
01:22:44.440
I don't think that that's 100% necessary, but society pushes it to where both men and
01:22:49.380
women have to have an income to raise a family.
01:22:52.540
So yeah, I think traditional roles would actually help families.
01:22:56.120
It would bring back the nuclear family to society.
01:22:58.000
I mean, I think it's, it's, you see the birth rate, like it's, it's plummeted.
01:23:04.260
If it keeps plummeting, we're never going to actually like grow our population.
01:23:11.260
We'll have to move it on a little bit, but we can come back to some of that later.
01:23:15.700
That thing we were reacting to earlier where the girl was getting doubt or excuse me, the
01:23:20.360
woman doused the guy for the misogynistic comment.
01:23:39.780
Not appropriate, but he probably said it to get a reaction.
01:23:44.160
I think she proved that she can't drink with the boys.
01:23:50.000
I don't know the context, but I'd like to think I would have laughed and just gone to
01:23:53.620
go make a sandwich or whatever it was he asked for.
01:24:00.220
I think she needs to work on her communication skills.
01:24:08.300
I'd ignore it and I'd be more concerned for his safety.
01:24:14.280
And then there was one other, Mary, if you can pull it up.
01:24:16.520
So the comments, though, on this were atrocious.
01:24:41.480
One anti-misogyny, assaulted, blah, blah, blah.
01:24:45.500
He told her to stay in the kitchen, so she cooked him.
01:25:00.300
When you use a group A joke with a group B, I'm not sure what that means, but okay.
01:25:03.940
Isn't close, vulnerable, retarded in any way anymore?
01:25:06.680
This would have not happened if she stayed on the kitchen, though.
01:25:34.520
Mind you, most of these have like 10,000 plus likes.
01:25:46.180
She was with me the whole day, but what was he wearing?
01:25:58.100
Menthor asks it all the time, but when one gets a little charred, okay.
01:26:08.920
If he didn't want to be set on fire, he shouldn't have worn something flammable.
01:26:17.080
I'm getting carpal tunnel in my thumb from liking all these comments.
01:26:38.920
Uh, I think the, typically the, my objection to this, I know these people are joking, is
01:26:45.460
typically there's, there's like a lot of situations where women are consenting to having consensual
01:26:52.540
There's not a lot of situations where people are consenting to have someone lit on fire.
01:26:57.480
And further, even if you do consent to being lit on fire, the perpetrator of that is still
01:27:03.500
going to be subject to some sort of criminal penalty, regardless of if there was consent or
01:27:09.040
Uh, although you could make some arguments, uh, you can make some arguments, but whatever.
01:27:15.180
Uh, did he loudly and clearly state that, okay, anyways, you get the idea.
01:27:22.520
It's been posted all over TikTok, all over Twitter.
01:27:29.340
Some of you guys were laughing, but I mean, like, let's remember here, there's a guy who
01:27:33.440
got, like, this guy's going to be permanently injured and disabled for life.
01:27:47.980
I think I was laughing because it was, and this probably isn't going to get me any likes,
01:27:55.300
uh, I don't mean that kind of likes, but, um, because it's mocking all the false accusations
01:28:12.980
I don't know if that makes it any better, but that's.
01:28:18.120
Everyone, they want to, they want to get likes on their comment.
01:28:22.620
Like, I don't think that comedy is about taking her side.
01:28:25.020
It's about finding the irony that using that kind of humor.
01:28:28.740
I think a lot of people actually are taking her side.
01:28:40.220
Oh, well, you, you were, you disavowed the violence, if I recall.
01:28:44.160
Uh, we're going to let a couple chats come through.
01:28:47.800
Uh, Christopher Scott, great thanks for the endorsement.
01:28:50.280
The next time a woman is being a misandrist, I can light her on fire, and if she stops being
01:29:00.980
What is misandry affecting you in your day-to-day?
01:29:03.060
Because misogyny, I think we all can agree in some way, it has affected us personally.
01:29:14.780
Oh, I didn't know that there was a terminology for that.
01:29:18.600
Uh, I mean, I would disagree, I disagree with your categorization, so this is like a common
01:29:23.340
Essentially, you're saying, uh, misandry, or misogyny kills, misandry hurts feelings,
01:29:30.200
Um, I wouldn't have worded it that way, but I don't disagree with the way that you just
01:29:34.660
Well, that's the common and feminist framing of it is, uh, misandry, uh, misandry is, is
01:29:41.060
either harmless or not that bad, whereas misogyny is like very harmful and kills women, essentially.
01:29:48.020
He made a women in the kitchen joke, like, that was it.
01:29:57.020
So if, um, if misandry being non-lethal, uh, which I don't grant, uh, it's very disputable,
01:30:03.580
but if it makes it less of a concern, wouldn't it logically follow that every other kind of
01:30:09.620
bigotry, uh, is, it's not as big of a deal as long as we ensure no one is killed?
01:30:18.440
Well, essentially you're like, your position is, is well, misandry, not really that bad,
01:30:23.860
but misogyny, like, uh, at its worst, women are killed.
01:30:27.700
I'm saying the reason for misogyny is, and also I'm not necessarily a misogynist, but
01:30:33.720
I'm saying if somebody says they hate men, it's most likely because they have, um, experienced
01:30:44.360
Whereas, um, if someone's a misandrist, I mean, that's what I meant with their misandrist
01:30:49.200
and they've probably experienced some form of violence against man, whereas if they're
01:30:53.300
a man is misogynist, they just, they're not really experienced violence from women.
01:31:12.500
Well, a couple, I suppose, counter arguments here.
01:31:15.520
Uh, first I would point out that if you look at, uh, homosexual relationships, so you look
01:31:20.180
at lesbian relationships, gay relationships, and also I'll include the heterosexual stats
01:31:25.220
Uh, the incidence of domestic violence are the highest in lesbian relationships.
01:31:28.860
They're the lowest in gay relationships, so two men.
01:31:31.500
And then, uh, so it's lesbian relationships, two women, highest levels of domestic violence.
01:31:37.340
Then you have heterosexual relationships, man, woman, and then the lowest incidence rate
01:31:41.760
of, uh, interpartner violence is homosexual, um, gay men.
01:31:47.540
So how could it possibly be when you have two men in a relationship where conceivably men
01:31:52.320
are allegedly more violent than women, they're the least violent, but when you have two women
01:31:59.920
Men are more violent against women, not against other men.
01:32:08.660
It's not really the same argument if it's woman on woman.
01:32:11.000
Here's, here's my secondary argument in response to that.
01:32:13.120
So if we are, if we're going to just completely ignore, uh, my arguments as it relates to if
01:32:18.360
we're looking at homosexual relationships and the rates of domestic violence in those,
01:32:22.360
fine, we can just look at heterosexual relationships.
01:32:24.540
If we look at the rates of inter, um, non-reciprocal, uh, interpartner, uh, is it intra, interpartner,
01:32:31.680
non-reciprocal violence in heterosexual relationships.
01:32:34.680
So this is where one person is beating the other and there's not reciprocal violence.
01:32:40.300
Women are far more likely to be one directionally abusing their male partners than the reverse.
01:32:48.040
If you look at they're both beating each other, it's 50, it's, it's 50% equal.
01:32:54.760
But what are the stats on like violence and murder?
01:33:05.280
Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
01:33:11.060
Well, I'm just saying they're also more likely to be the perpetrators of crimes against women.
01:33:21.560
It's yeah, but just, just so I better understand if bad thing happens to woman and man is the
01:33:38.840
So then how can you point to incidents, incidences of domestic violence or murder that occur to
01:33:46.380
These must, it must be the case that it happened because this person is a woman or it happened
01:33:53.480
Again, I blame it on the gender construct and how, um, we suppress male emotion.
01:33:58.840
And I think it turns, it, it comes out violently and, and subconsciously maybe they hold some
01:34:05.080
sort of resentment against women who get to express their emotions and have those feelings.
01:34:09.520
And, and that's what makes them act out in those ways.
01:34:12.200
I think it's just the pressure of, or the way men exist in society now is what creates
01:34:22.200
And going back to your previous point though, you were saying how, um, with the comparison
01:34:27.320
between misogyny and, um, misandry that when women say things like, uh, if they say they
01:34:35.900
hate men, it's because they themselves have experienced, uh, could have experienced violence
01:34:43.680
A couple of questions, clarifying questions for you on that.
01:34:46.140
Uh, do you think their statements or their misandry is perhaps fair or justified?
01:34:52.920
And look, just let me preface this by saying, uh, violence towards anybody is wrong.
01:34:58.300
Women who experienced violence at the hands of men, absolutely abhorrent, completely wrong.
01:35:05.120
Um, but if a woman does experience violence at the hands of a man, does that then give them
01:35:10.760
carte blanche to, uh, have, uh, to be misandrous or to say, and it seems like that's your position
01:35:18.440
to say, uh, that they hate men and that that's an acceptable, uh, thing to say?
01:35:25.640
I think, um, if you say a statement so simplistic, you're not really looking deeper at, again, I
01:35:31.560
think the structure of gender is the reason that they have these opinions of men and it's
01:35:36.220
not necessarily, I think it's very shallow and like an empty statement to just say, I hate men.
01:35:43.720
I don't think they're, they're looking at the structure of gender and thinking it's not really
01:35:48.840
men. It's, it's the socialization of men and how we create them to be.
01:35:53.680
But I'm a little confused because earlier it sounded like you were essentially trying to
01:36:02.180
Well, you were, you were, so your position was.
01:36:07.960
It's not deep, but what are you, I guess, what are you trying to get out when we're talking
01:36:11.480
about the comparisons between misogyny and misandry, when you say, well, it's not so bad
01:36:19.100
when women say that they hate men or that they're misandrists.
01:36:23.160
Well, I'm saying, I think, um, widely women have more of a reason, like a very basic observational
01:36:31.600
Whereas when men do it, it's because, because what?
01:36:37.320
Because they just don't like women, but I think they don't like the socialization.
01:36:46.480
It doesn't really hold much nuance, but I think if they were to.
01:36:53.580
No, because I don't hate all men point blank statement.
01:36:57.440
I hate the structure of gender as how it exists today.
01:37:00.100
But for example, if, if you heard a female friend of yours.
01:37:04.320
But if she said, uh, I hate all men because I went through X, Y, Z negative experiences
01:37:10.780
with one, two, three or more men in my past, would you like correct her clearly bigoted
01:37:17.380
Um, I think if she's my friend, we probably have a common understanding that it's because
01:37:27.560
It's not so, but if their fault, what I would, if a man's violent towards a woman, I would
01:37:35.400
But I mean, like when we're talking structurally, the reason that those statistics exist and that
01:37:40.940
men act out violently is because of the pressure they're put under.
01:37:44.940
I mean, I suppose there's all kinds of life factors that I would understand their sentiment.
01:37:49.940
I wouldn't necessarily agree with it, uh, without adding nuance.
01:37:54.200
But I, I mean, I think Brian's asking, would you challenge her on hating all men?
01:37:59.660
Even though what you're saying is, it sounds like what you're saying is her reason is some
01:38:03.200
kind of trauma response that she hasn't like fully explored.
01:38:06.660
Would you still challenge that notion that all men should be hated or that that's okay?
01:38:19.240
I think we'd have a discussion about the existence of gender, how it exists today socially rather
01:38:24.820
But would you, um, like, let me ask you if a male friend of yours that you were hanging
01:38:31.760
Would you be like, whoa, that's kind of a sexist misogynist thing to say?
01:38:39.620
In the same way that saying you hate all men is.
01:38:42.020
But would you, would you have a similar sort of conversation with your female?
01:38:48.320
And, but again, I'm still really trying to get to the, the substance of you're saying,
01:38:55.100
uh, misogyny essentially worse than, uh, misandry.
01:39:08.720
I, I just don't think that it, um, ends deadly for men.
01:39:13.520
Like misandry doesn't end in extreme violence and death and grape for men as the counter does.
01:39:21.740
I mean, there's some dispute there with some of those claims, but, uh, let me ask you this.
01:39:27.480
Uh, if a white person had, uh, one or more negative, uh, negative encounters with someone
01:39:37.140
who's black or some other minority group, it could be, it could be Latino, it could be Asian.
01:39:41.240
And, uh, and then they become racist towards that minority group.
01:39:48.260
You would then, I assume you would give them some, uh, you would understand their racism
01:39:54.620
because of their own negative experiences with the, with that racial group.
01:39:58.880
Um, I would be like, I understand the sentiment.
01:40:01.940
But you also need to realize that race is socially constructed as well.
01:40:05.520
So if you're having similar experiences with a certain race, it's because of, um, our class
01:40:17.600
Um, I mean, this is a totally different conversation, but again, I, uh, it's, it's just another social
01:40:23.120
construct, but so it's way more nuanced and I would understand the sentiment of them deciding
01:40:29.700
to be racist or whatnot, but I think that they just lack an understanding of, um, the structure
01:40:35.520
Um, and this would also apply to females who are misandrist.
01:40:42.500
But would you give the same sort of leeway when it comes to misandrist statements, but made
01:40:46.500
by women as you would to someone who's, uh, say like a member of the KKK and this person
01:40:55.020
themselves has had numerous, maybe they were victims of violent crime.
01:40:59.720
Maybe a family member was murdered by somebody of a racial minority.
01:41:02.900
Would you then give them a pass for their racism because of their own lived experience?
01:41:10.420
I'm just saying, I understand the sentiment, but you're misunderstanding the structures of
01:41:15.680
And then to dive a little deeper on that, if we were to look at, for example, would you
01:41:20.700
say there's a, in the same way, there's a differential between men and women, you're
01:41:24.480
saying, well, misogyny worse than, um, misandry.
01:41:27.620
Let's say there's a black person who's had negative encounters with white people.
01:41:32.280
And then that black person has, uh, prejudice or bigotry towards white people because of,
01:41:38.900
Would you say that they're, you might not even categorize it as racism, but I'll just, for
01:41:43.400
the simplicity, I'll just say they're prejudiced towards, towards white people.
01:41:46.460
Would it be more, less harmful than on the individual level than if there was a white
01:41:55.180
person who held, uh, racist or bigoted prejudice beliefs, even if that white person had just
01:42:02.440
as bad or even worse violent encounters where they were the victim of a black person?
01:42:06.840
Um, yeah, I think, um, racism against black people is on a, a social and structural scale.
01:42:19.540
So an outlier offense of a black person committing some violence against a white person or just
01:42:26.780
being prejudiced or racist against white people doesn't have the same effect as when white people
01:42:32.300
who are the oppressors or have some sort of higher social status in society were to be
01:42:39.140
racist against a minority or people who are already disenfranchised.
01:42:42.800
And you mentioned like white people being the oppressors, uh, but I don't know if there's
01:42:48.900
So what if, uh, like the wealthiest, let's say Barack Obama walks up to a white person who's
01:42:55.320
like a janitor and, uh, just starts beating the shit out of the janitor because he's white.
01:43:00.880
Uh, would you say that mind you, Barack Obama, former president of the United States, he's
01:43:07.720
He has, I would say, even though he's the ex president of the United States, probably
01:43:13.060
like substantial amounts of power, uh, in varying degrees.
01:43:16.480
I could even make the scenario when he was the president where he's the leader of the,
01:43:25.980
And he walks up to the white house janitor who happens to be white and just starts beating
01:43:32.300
Would that still fall under your system of like, well, this is not really as bad or as
01:43:38.580
racist because there's a system that, uh, says that like when a black person is a perpetrator
01:43:47.800
Um, I'm against violence again in any circumstance.
01:43:51.960
Um, I think independently, obviously that's wrong of them to do, but I am saying that a
01:43:58.400
black person saying that they don't like white people is different than white people saying
01:44:02.480
they don't like black people because of the social status differences.
01:44:07.800
So you would then have to factor in like social class, these sorts of things.
01:44:11.520
I think you would, you would probably agree that Barack Obama is like higher in terms
01:44:18.860
And yeah, I know, but it's just, I'm just testing out your logic here.
01:44:21.900
I'm, I'm talking about the, the whole structure of race, not just like independent.
01:44:26.880
I mean, you, there's, you can point out any kind of outlier and.
01:44:30.500
Well, I think the individual is the ultimate minority.
01:44:34.720
Like when it comes to socioeconomic status, uh, yeah, white people are probably doing better
01:44:39.540
socioeconomically, generally speaking than black people.
01:44:43.420
So it's more of an implication and kind of more extreme when white people say they hate
01:44:49.620
black people rather than, well, you think it's less justified for black people to hate white
01:44:54.780
people or you think it's more, I think it's equally bad.
01:44:57.620
I think it's, even though that there's, even though there's a difference in socioeconomic.
01:45:03.140
But I, this would just come down to intersectionality and the ultimate.
01:45:06.640
So you would be like, okay, well let, let's look at their socioeconomic status.
01:45:10.600
Let's look at their, are, are they able-bodied?
01:45:13.500
Let's look at, um, you know, uh, are they a man or a woman?
01:45:19.360
We could, you'd look at all these varying factors and I would just bring it down to the
01:45:22.960
ultimate, uh, minority group, which is the individual.
01:45:25.740
So on the individual level, you'd have to look at the totality of circumstances between
01:45:30.480
And I can give you examples where like, if you can, if you have one black person versus one
01:45:35.160
white person where the, like the intersectionality of like their respective privileges and disadvantages
01:45:41.500
where the black person is more privileged than that specific white person.
01:45:45.920
And so I would just categorically reject that like the entire system would be completely
01:46:01.040
Uh, well, I'm going to let some more chats come through.
01:46:16.560
You're a vile loathsome bottom feeder, but Hey, congratulations.
01:46:22.520
Uh, prattle justifying this man's immolation just fostered the creation of a hundred thousand
01:46:30.580
Whoa, wait, the net negative now that you've created, big net negative there, jazz.
01:46:38.880
I'm not sure I have the energy for this panel tonight, especially chair one and two.
01:46:42.820
Their combined IQ is less than their combined age.
01:46:50.480
Do you want to respond to claim here really quick?
01:46:54.720
Do you ever, you want to shoot shots back at him or, um, no, thank you though.
01:47:00.580
Uh, we have Chaw men are liberal or leftists largely as a mating strategy rather than pursuing
01:47:08.060
They tell silly girls like you what you want to hear in an attempt to, uh, F you.
01:47:13.280
It got changed, but, uh, have you ever been bamboozled where you're like this guy, a guy
01:47:18.440
lied to you and he was like, oh yeah, I voted for Kamala.
01:47:21.840
Not that extremely, but I do feel like sometimes they hide their views.
01:47:26.900
Men really say they're leftist to bang a chick?
01:47:43.240
Is she to be expected to take care of the home invader?
01:47:48.220
Slide back the pistol cartridge receiver and lock it in place.
01:47:53.440
I don't think, um, me personally, I think it's a very outdated gender role that men should
01:48:02.860
I would actually, if I was dating a woman, I would use her as a meat shield, in fact.
01:48:12.080
But as a feminist, you would have to agree that this is going to be like, that's really
01:48:20.480
As you're dying, you can be like, oh my God, he's such a feminist.
01:48:33.960
When it comes to a gun, who knows how to use it?
01:48:38.640
So, you know what, if a guy, if I'm with a guy, he doesn't know how to use it, I'll
01:48:47.260
I would be like, okay, Jazz, I'm going to jump out the window.
01:49:08.180
I'm going to send her down to take care of the 200-pound home invader.
01:49:15.140
Would you want your man to know how to use a gun?
01:49:22.820
But I didn't know if that was a forced gender role on men.
01:49:26.100
Men are more likely to know how to handle a weapon, yeah.
01:49:29.160
And I think that's, but as they should be, correct?
01:49:34.960
I think women are just as capable of letting it be.
01:49:38.520
They are, but we don't allow them in those spaces to do so.
01:49:43.780
You have to take way more initiative rather than men just kind of, let's go shoot, you
01:49:57.740
Well, let's see for 20 plus years society, mainly feminists have told men we are monsters
01:50:02.080
Oh man, it's been going on for longer than that, but such as unalive, yep, unalive all
01:50:10.100
I mean, I can think of a whole bunch of things.
01:50:11.680
Like for example, there's way more, I think there, I don't know what the distribution of
01:50:16.840
And I mean, I don't know if this is totally gendered, but like circumcision, one with all
01:50:22.460
these female pediatricians suggesting that there'd be circumcision.
01:50:27.820
I thought that was religious, like a religious.
01:50:30.660
I mean, it's like, it's pretty, I don't think like hospitals when there's a newborn and
01:50:36.440
they're going to circumcise the child, I don't think they're.
01:50:49.980
And then if you look at the single motherhood rate, the single mothers are almost unilaterally
01:50:55.960
all having their boy babies' genitals mutilated.
01:51:15.820
Unless you decline it, they're going to have you come in and have the procedure done.
01:51:24.680
But when it comes to the comparisons between misogyny and misandry, this is what's always
01:51:29.540
So it's like when I think of like misogyny and misandry, I'm thinking more so about verbal
01:51:38.100
So are you saying like if somebody exhibits misogynistic tendencies, what is going to be the
01:51:43.640
downstream effects of that in terms of like actual negative impacts?
01:51:50.340
I mean, I always try to categorize that specifically with words, both on the misogyny side and the
01:51:55.920
But I mean, there's plenty of actual downstream negative impacts as it relates to misandry,
01:52:04.220
Well, his example was a hashtag, unalive all men.
01:52:07.920
And I think that's, I mean, unless I'm unaware of some sort of genocide or mass murder of men
01:52:16.120
Um, so I think the extent of women on male on men violence is, um, a hashtag that seems
01:52:25.320
to be the extent of it rather than in our reality, women are being murdered by men.
01:52:31.100
Well, so I think if we're, if we're going back to the original example though, where this woman
01:52:35.380
lit this man on fire, I would argue that feminist rhetoric, misandric rhetoric in society, either
01:52:42.760
through the classroom, most universities have like a feminist studies program, everything
01:52:47.180
you see online, in media, in, uh, the, in the government, news, journalism, there's a
01:52:58.440
And I would say that that would, that would lead to situations where because of the narratives
01:53:07.320
as it relates to, if you try to paint something as, uh, like, oh my God, this, this specific
01:53:18.180
And in order to stop that people need to, uh, there's not specific advocations towards
01:53:25.680
violence, but there is a point where people will respond violently if it relates to even
01:53:32.580
like fairly benign and harmless, like microaggressions.
01:53:38.020
So if I'm understanding what you're saying, you're blaming misandria on her, on, on her actions,
01:53:44.200
not her poor impulse control, her anger, her, uh, whatever psychological disturbances might
01:53:51.800
cause her to respond in an inappropriate, violent manner.
01:53:55.460
We're blaming misandria rhetoric, not her individual inappropriate style of handling conflict.
01:54:03.000
Well, we don't, we don't necessarily know the precise reasons, but I would say that the,
01:54:09.500
that the fact that she was so upset by a, what I would consider, uh, a slightly rude, but
01:54:18.440
fairly benign joke, uh, I don't think a benign joke, even if we are to categorize it as misogynistic
01:54:26.080
would in any world warrant, uh, burning somebody alive.
01:54:32.420
And so, and so the fact that she's so upset by this sort of statement, what I think further
01:54:39.540
my claim that this is probably due to feminist rhetoric as to like, whoa, I'm being aggressed
01:54:48.200
And you've seen these things when it comes to microaggressions, uh, they are going to categorize
01:54:54.700
If you say a thing that is offensive, that then gives somebody justification to enact actual
01:55:03.500
I mean, we've seen this, for example, if you misgender somebody, this can sometimes lead
01:55:08.420
to violence on the part of the transgender individual things, feeling so aggrieved by words
01:55:16.340
that they're now going to become physically aggressive.
01:55:20.400
I just want to be fair, but they feel so aggrieved by a verbal utterance that they're
01:55:28.940
And in this case, she's probably like, whoa, the guy, oh my God, what a misogynist.
01:55:38.740
But these things aren't happening on a grand scale.
01:55:41.240
I think it's a reaction, I think it's a reaction to the injustice, like trans people are murdered
01:55:48.960
or kill themselves more often than they get violent towards someone who misgenders them.
01:55:55.420
Like this is just another instance where you're blaming feminism, but really on a much larger
01:56:01.380
scale, misogyny is the reason a lot of women are dying.
01:56:05.280
Do you not think that, that transgender people unalive themselves more because they're mentally
01:56:10.920
confused and they're, they have a mental health issue and they don't know how to, you're saying
01:56:26.760
Um, I think that them not being able to assimilate in society, the way that we've structured gender
01:56:33.780
has, takes a really large toll on their mental health and that's why their suicide rates
01:56:38.160
I think the, the issue is, is when a child or, you know, a young person, what actually whatever
01:56:42.880
age is they go to these therapists and they say, Hey, I have gender dysphoria.
01:56:49.460
That therapist, most of the time, if they're woke, most of them are not, not saying you
01:56:55.660
And they will say, okay, well, you know, you're right.
01:56:58.680
You should change into a woman because that will make you happy instead of fixing the
01:57:03.320
actual gender dysphoria, because that is a mental illness that should be worked on versus
01:57:08.420
just, you know, gratifying their, their desire to become another gender.
01:57:16.540
So like this, um, what it is, is like you're born a woman and you don't feel like you exist
01:57:23.300
within the idea of how women exist in society and you feel like a man, maybe like internally,
01:57:28.940
I think that distinction only exists because we misclassified gender.
01:57:35.100
So if a woman feels more masculine and relates to more male dominant roles, they get confused
01:57:42.160
because they don't understand that gender is an identity and not biology.
01:57:47.840
Well, I think, I think your gender is, I mean, how would you define a woman?
01:57:52.600
Um, a woman is anyone who identifies with the role of women in society.
01:57:58.940
So if my husband put on a wig and he decided I'm a woman today and he said, you know what,
01:58:06.420
I'm going to identify as a woman, he's a woman.
01:58:08.820
Um, we can talk these, um, random situations that just would never happen.
01:58:14.800
Nobody decides that they want to be trans and exist in society right now that demonizes
01:58:20.300
being trans, but it doesn't demonize being trans.
01:58:23.600
But no, I think if he felt more feminine and he aligned more with the roles of women and
01:58:28.920
society and he decided to take that route, then yes, that is a woman.
01:58:33.260
But you can't even say that because everybody's got the roles all confused.
01:58:36.580
Like we don't even, I mean, women are acting like men now, even though they're not trans
01:58:43.100
So how can you even say that, oh, it's because these roles are pushed on us, which, like
01:58:47.060
I said earlier, I don't even think traditional roles are being pushed anymore on us.
01:58:52.400
So how, like, how can you say, oh, well, I'm going to be a woman or I'm going to be a man
01:58:58.580
So now I get to go into the women's bathroom as, you know, a previous man or whatever, however
01:59:09.580
And no one is transitioning just because they want to use the other gender.
01:59:15.620
And I think that they have identity issues within themselves because it's like, okay,
01:59:21.340
So I am going to change into a man because I want attention and I also need to put my
01:59:27.860
And actually we do live in a society for, I would, I would say for the most part that
01:59:32.200
does praise the transgender ideology and it praises this mental illness.
01:59:44.480
They are depressed and a lot of these people regret it years down the line.
01:59:51.780
Actual gender dysphoria is a very small percent of the population.
01:59:55.540
And there, there are some people who actually grow up feeling what gender dysphoria actually
02:00:01.460
I would agree with you, your point that there are some people who right now in today's
02:00:06.180
society are feeling a variety of things that is not clinical gender dysphoria.
02:00:11.120
And it's, it's confusion, it's trauma, it's, I'm not comfortable as a woman because I feel
02:00:17.820
So I think I'll just be a man or that's one example.
02:00:20.700
But there are lots of reasons why today a lot of young people are feeling like maybe I'm
02:00:27.460
Maybe I'm, maybe I'm the other, I'm, I'm the gender that I wasn't assigned with at birth.
02:00:35.680
And I, I agree with you that many therapists will, instead of explore on a deep level, the
02:00:50.160
I think when it gets endorsed and they're allowed to make that decision at a young age
02:00:56.340
And yes, a lot of them do eventually regret their decision when they take hormones and do
02:01:04.220
I actually have a client who went as far as, you know, removing her breasts and then had
02:01:09.960
to have them put back on later when she realized she made a terrible mistake.
02:01:13.060
And so I'm just saying that, um, you're, you're both right.
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There is real gender dysphoria, but it's a very, very small percentage right now.
02:01:23.760
There is a phenomenon of people feeling like they have permission to be confused and then
02:01:30.920
And I think that we should be more responsible in how we respond to that and make sure that
02:01:38.500
that's, it's the real, very rare case of gender dysphoria.
02:01:42.340
And not all these cases of young people wanting to explore something.
02:01:47.500
And I think that if you feel like a not very feminine woman or a more masculine man, that's
02:01:53.220
And I think the point that you've been making is people should just be allowed to be themselves.
02:02:02.480
And I think that, um, I think that they both have value.
02:02:07.200
Um, and so there's a lot of permission right now to just let people be confused outwardly.
02:02:14.500
And that's where I think we're getting into, we're starting to have, um, problems and confusion.
02:02:20.420
Um, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be yourself and wanting to be an outlier.
02:02:25.840
And, um, I also think that, you know, the traditional roles have a lot of value too.
02:02:33.480
They both have value and unfortunately they also contradict each other.
02:02:38.220
All right, we have a chat here from Rachel Wilson, Andrew Wilson's wife.
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Women often don't have the hand strength to operate the action on an automatic pistol
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Gun companies pay women big money to represent them on social media.
02:03:00.120
Reminder, guys, Andrew Wilson should be joining us here pretty soon.
02:03:06.580
Rick, how would you react if I were to claim that every instance of compulsory copulation
02:03:12.560
was a net positive because it had the potential of ameliorating the birth rate crisis?
02:03:17.960
I feel sorry for the sucker who shacks up with you.
02:03:33.260
Yeah, there's just, there's no way we would know if it was a net positive or not.
02:03:36.100
I thought I was just putting a hypothetical out there.
02:03:44.480
Yeah, no, like if a man makes, like, a sexist joke.
02:03:47.220
Oh, I'm not going to do anything about it but be like, come on.
02:03:51.380
But, like, let's say you were on a date with a guy and he's like, I don't know what your
02:03:55.100
type is, like, it sounds like blue-haired, kind of, kind of soy, left, leftist.
02:04:07.440
I get that you're, would you consider yourself left-leaning?
02:04:11.180
Yeah, but I have a feeling that you probably see, you encounter a lot of conservative men.
02:04:16.440
Yeah, so, I mean, I'm from the South, first off, so that's just the majority of the men
02:04:21.760
But also, I am very attracted to people who are driven and hardworking and confident.
02:04:28.060
And a lot of times, those happen to be, like, narcissists.
02:04:32.740
And, again, in the area that I am, they're most likely conservative as well.
02:04:37.260
Would you say, of the guys you've dated, what proportion of them completely diverge from
02:04:44.600
Oh, they weren't a boyfriend if we completely disagreed.
02:04:48.080
But I've definitely, like, dated for or kept seeing, like, some...
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And we would have, like, the reason it went on for however long it did is because we
02:04:56.260
would have, like, pretty intellectual conversations and we would have these kind of talks with
02:05:00.820
each other, you know, one-on-one over drinks, stuff like that.
02:05:03.760
So, I find that, like, enticing, just if anyone's able to, like, open to talk about things like
02:05:10.160
But of the men you've dated, perhaps a majority of them have not aligned with you politically?
02:05:20.920
Is there any men out there who read, like, feminist literature?
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London, the boys are, like, they're down as fuck, then.
02:05:43.540
I want to go around the table and we're going to do show of hands from everybody.
02:06:00.220
Show of hands, should men be protectors from everybody?
02:06:26.960
I've never gotten to a five-peeners stripper, man.
02:07:05.620
Should men open your car door on a first date or dates?
02:07:19.000
You're saying so many terminologies I don't, and I feel stupid right now.
02:07:32.480
So this is when you're walking with your date or girlfriend, wife.
02:07:35.560
The man should typically walk on the side of the sidewalk closest to the street where the
02:07:43.260
Who here thinks if you have a boyfriend or husband, and then in an instance where only
02:07:47.920
one person can survive, should he sacrifice his life to save you?
02:08:12.160
And I'm not trying to pick on you, but I think you're probably.
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You're getting a little bit picked on, but you're.
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It's kind of a more conservative panel, I guess.
02:08:21.220
Of all the first dates you've been on, who paid?
02:08:37.240
And then, when it comes to initiative, like, are you making the first move?
02:08:42.540
Or is the guy almost overwhelmingly the one making the first move?
02:09:08.980
No, anyone who knows me knows I'm always sucking on a lollipop.
02:09:11.760
You see me out in the club, see me anywhere, I always got a ring pop on me.
02:09:23.920
But you couldn't, because you couldn't afford it.
02:09:28.700
You can, by the way, Mary, you're able to pull these up.
02:09:38.400
And then, I guess, final question for you, Jazz, in terms of physical attraction.
02:09:44.380
Well, we kind of went over this, but not factoring in, like, later revealed political positions.
02:09:50.840
Generally, like, do you find conservative or liberal men more attractive?
02:09:56.200
Anyone I can talk philosophy with, because that's just my interest.
02:10:04.420
But, like, of the liberal men that you do encounter, do they measure up in terms of, like, I understand for you,
02:10:11.220
you, like, you would probably find it attractive if somebody meshes with you when it comes to your politics, right?
02:10:17.200
Like, you would find that to be a pro or a benefit.
02:10:20.580
But disregard, I guess, sort of putting that aside, well, comparing the conservative men and the liberal men,
02:10:31.480
like, would you almost wish that the conservative men weren't conservative?
02:10:36.580
Because the other characteristics they possess, you find those attractive?
02:10:40.380
Or you just find them more, they just happen to be more physically attractive?
02:10:43.940
Well, maybe not physically attractive, but in the area I live, the liberal men are more artsy.
02:10:49.960
And they're driven, in a sense, but I like men who go to work.
02:10:56.580
So, most of the time, if we're disregarding, like, political views,
02:11:02.420
conservative men usually have the traits outside of politics that I am attracted to.
02:11:09.180
So, yeah, I'm looking for, like, the perfect mesh of a person that doesn't exist at all.
02:11:30.660
And I think the other thing I was going to ask was, can you reconcile, because when you
02:11:40.620
were discussing what feminism is, you're like, well, as it relates to feminism, you think
02:11:46.280
that pretty much across the board, men and women have equal rights, at least as bestowed
02:11:53.300
Or you don't think men and women have equal rights?
02:11:55.540
Well, at the moment, Roe v. Wade was turned over federally, so that's a law that has control
02:12:02.140
over women's bodily autonomy, and there is no law that controls men's choice over their
02:12:15.480
It went right back where it was supposed to go.
02:12:23.560
Right back where it's supposed to go, and it was enacted the year I was born, 1972.
02:12:27.860
I think it's important to set federal precedents for things as important as that.
02:12:32.160
So I guess my count here would be, one, as it relates to reproductive rights, men don't
02:12:37.620
have any reproductive rights, so in terms of there being a comparative inequality between
02:12:42.120
men and women, I would actually say that if you wanted equality between men and women,
02:12:47.400
and that was your stated goal, despite perhaps what women want or female advocacy, you would
02:12:54.760
actually have to entirely roll back abortion rights completely for there to be a semblance
02:12:59.540
of equality between men and women, because men have no reproductive rights, ergo, equality
02:13:05.720
would dictate women should have no reproductive rights also.
02:13:09.460
I know that that wouldn't be what women want, but that would actually create equality.
02:13:14.260
Well, not necessarily, because women are the only one in the equation that can give birth.
02:13:20.220
I agree with you, but if we're doing a comparative...
02:13:22.980
Men don't ever have to make the choice of if they should hold a baby in their stomach
02:13:28.040
So, the reason that women should be allowed to choose is because they will be holding
02:13:35.040
the baby, whereas the men don't have that option, therefore there isn't a law to suggest
02:13:39.140
I agree with you to the degree that, yes, you're right, only women, well, I don't know
02:13:49.500
I agree with you, yes, only women can get pregnant, but again, if we're doing a comparison
02:13:55.840
when it comes to, well, what rights do men have that women don't, again, I would just
02:13:59.720
say if we're doing a comparison of equality between men and women, you would not be able
02:14:04.200
to say that it's something that uniquely impacts women, but if we're doing a comparison of rights
02:14:15.080
Okay, so, but your position was more so geared, yes, we'll just move on to that, your position
02:14:20.240
was more so geared towards, or wait, hold on, there's one other thing I want to say, you
02:14:24.380
said men don't have any constraints on their bodily autonomy, this is actually state down,
02:14:29.360
so I'll give you three examples, I mentioned this before, for, well, circumcision, I prefer
02:14:40.140
Well, infant male genital mutilation, because baby girls are not, don't have their genitals
02:14:46.560
mutilated in the United States, there's maybe like some, I don't know if it's like under
02:14:51.020
Islamic, even then I'm pretty sure it's outlawed, in the United States anyways, so this would
02:14:57.120
be evidence of baby boys not being able to give their informed consent to have their genitals
02:15:03.940
There is an option, the parents hold the option, it is normalized that it does get cut, it usually
02:15:09.360
gets cut without asking, but there is the option, so there is the choice.
02:15:16.260
If it were illegal, that would be the issue, and that would be an equal discrepancy that
02:15:19.900
Right, but I would argue that there's no law, which I think there should be, preventing this
02:15:27.440
And so I think there ought to be a law that is, uh, choice.
02:15:36.460
I don't care what your religion is, you can't mutilate the genitals of a baby boy.
02:15:43.100
I don't care what your religion is, there's no religious grant, I think this is a barbaric
02:15:48.800
I don't think the health standard exists either, I don't think it's true.
02:15:51.440
And I also think it's systemic too, because the entire healthcare system is systemic, you have
02:15:56.020
an abundance of female pediatricians that are performing this thing, you have single mothers
02:16:01.180
who are, uh, who are opting, choosing to have their baby boys have their, uh, be circumcised,
02:16:07.580
and then you have like a cultural and social phenomenon, which kind of relates, I mean, there's
02:16:13.820
like this argument about like, it's healthier and cleaner and more hygienic, there's some disputes
02:16:19.240
There, there's clearly other countries where there's not circumcision and you can, you can
02:16:25.440
clean, you know, the penis without the need for that.
02:16:29.980
But the other component here would be like women's own stated dating preferences.
02:16:34.880
Once they become adults is like, well, I prefer.
02:16:37.300
So what, what impact does that have socially and culturally where women have a really strong
02:16:42.980
preference, genital preference for men who are circumcised?
02:16:46.220
And I would say that that's like another factor there, but that relates to bodily autonomy.
02:16:50.980
The second thing I would argue is forced military conscription, the draft that's clearly the state
02:16:56.400
down saying, uh, men, you can be ultimately sent off to some foreign country, or if it in
02:17:04.200
the event of like an invasion, I suppose, whatever you could be sent to go and die effectively
02:17:12.180
That would be taking away men's bodily autonomy further.
02:17:15.320
If men don't register for the selective service, they can be, well, there's a whole bunch.
02:17:21.120
They lose out on certain, uh, federal jobs, uh, certain federal aid.
02:17:27.400
Uh, there's, it's technically a felony, $250,000 fine.
02:17:32.280
So you're against any laws that restrict male bodily autonomy, like being sent to the draft.
02:17:39.300
Uh, I'm against circumcision, the draft, I think war bad, but also war is just going to
02:17:48.860
be, unless there's some sort of like total massive shift in like, uh, like a technological
02:17:56.020
singularity where like the world we live in 50 years from now is like so far beyond this
02:18:01.300
would probably happen through AI or like advancements in technology so far beyond what our human minds
02:18:06.280
can even comprehend that war has just completely been eradicated.
02:18:10.260
I don't think that'll be on the scale of 50 years, but I would say that, uh, as it currently
02:18:18.200
And so there are circumstances where I don't think it should be the case as a male advocate
02:18:23.720
that, uh, men should be subject to war and war is a specifically gendered male grievance,
02:18:29.040
but it just is sort of a reality that nations, nations and countries are not going to, uh,
02:18:37.600
are not going to reject their ability to call upon citizenry in the event of like an invasion
02:18:43.500
Yes, the nations are going to reserve their right to force men to fight.
02:18:48.940
I just have to have something to add about war.
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My father was not drafted into Vietnam for one reason.
02:18:57.200
And it was funny because we were right after dinner, we were talking about it and I have
02:19:02.080
two other sisters and my dad, he never had anything to drink at dinner and still he had
02:19:06.920
his milk right after dinner and he was standing at the sink and we're like, yeah, dad, why weren't
02:19:20.300
And I guess having balls that are too big is a thing too.
02:19:24.780
I've never seen my dad's balls, but shit, right?
02:19:35.300
Somebody's balls are too big to get into military.
02:19:51.540
And of course, he's the one with prostate cancer.
02:19:54.400
So, but he's, he didn't get the, he's not neutered.
02:20:03.240
And then look, my final point here is when it comes to the men lacking bodily autonomy,
02:20:08.440
I mean, uh, in the event of, uh, so for example, if, uh, the, the state can force men to work.
02:20:16.680
And so we've done away, I think in the 18th century, or maybe it was the early 19th century.
02:20:22.640
We, we did away with, uh, with debtors prisons.
02:20:26.460
So if you have a debt to somebody, they used to be able to send you to prison, right?
02:20:30.240
No longer can you be sent to prison for a debt.
02:20:34.200
Except as a man, if you owe child support to a woman.
02:20:46.700
A woman who's had behind on her child support could arguably also be sent to prison.
02:20:51.940
Although I would argue first off the majority of child support, I think it's 93% goes in
02:20:59.740
So it impacts some women, but it's overwhelmingly men in the same way that you might argue that
02:21:03.820
like SA, we would agree that men are also victims of SA, but you would probably say this
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impacts women more because they're, uh, they're more likely to be a victim or whatever.
02:21:14.700
So in this case, uh, that would be another example of men lacking bodily autonomy because
02:21:19.840
the government can basically say, for example, and it could be, it could be under like really
02:21:25.620
Like for example, a female teacher could SA one of her underage students and she could get
02:21:32.060
pregnant by that student where essentially she graped him and then she gets pregnant.
02:21:37.060
The state can then force that, that child to, uh, pay child support to her despite one,
02:21:44.560
there being a crime that occurred and, uh, so forth.
02:21:47.660
So that's kind of an extreme example, but another example that's probably a bit more frequent
02:21:51.380
there, there's a couple, maybe they're in a situation.
02:21:54.320
So do you support male bodily autonomy or do you not?
02:21:58.420
But so the more, uh, realistic example might be like a, you know, there's a boyfriend and
02:22:04.680
girlfriend or a situationship they're sleeping together, but the guy's not wanting to have
02:22:11.100
She unilaterally chooses to keep the child because women can do that.
02:22:16.060
They can choose to get an abortion and the man can't do anything.
02:22:22.580
So the, so the, uh, men can essentially be forced into fatherhood and basically be debt
02:22:29.160
slaves, uh, for 18 plus years, or sometimes even up to 21 plus years, depending on the
02:22:42.220
I find it funny that you're in favor of male bodily autonomy, but not women's.
02:22:54.940
Uh, well, you know, it's really hard to say on that one.
02:22:57.160
I would say, uh, say if you support women's autonomy, I would, I would say that, uh, there
02:23:03.900
are very compelling arguments for the pro-life side.
02:23:06.080
So I'll, I'll go ahead and I'll just go ahead and say, yeah, pro-life.
02:23:08.960
However, what I am going to say is I would say that if I'm looking at the current state
02:23:14.200
of affairs descriptively, there are states where women retain the right to have an abortion.
02:23:19.480
For example, California, women can have an abortion in the state of California.
02:23:23.680
My argument from men's rights perspective is in any state, because I'm just working with
02:23:38.240
If a man gets a woman pregnant, despite him not wanting to be a father, he's on the hook
02:23:44.380
But in states where women secure the right and retain the right to have an abortion,
02:23:50.040
men should have a corresponding right to, uh, called legal paternal surrender.
02:23:55.500
Men, in the same way that women can murder their unborn children, men should be able to
02:23:59.820
walk away and essentially sever their relationship if they so choose.
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They shouldn't, obviously they can't force the woman to get an abortion, but in states where
02:24:09.140
there's abortion rights, men should have some corresponding legal paternal surrender where
02:24:13.060
they can say, well, I don't want to be a father.
02:24:17.680
I don't want to be financially responsible in the same way you would probably say a woman
02:24:21.540
who doesn't, isn't ready to be a mother or isn't financially ready to raise a child.
02:24:25.880
You would say that would be a justified reason to have an abortion.
02:24:28.440
So too, should it be the case that men should be able to escape, uh, responsibility, uh, from
02:24:34.920
child support or any sort of paternal responsibility.
02:24:38.540
I think gender specific laws, um, like you're suggesting that men have to take care of a
02:24:44.540
child that they maybe don't want because the woman wants it, um, is unfair.
02:24:51.440
Uh, I think we've, we've come to a point in society where nobody wants to take responsibility
02:24:56.240
And every time you have sex, no matter what contraceptive you're on, they're not all 100%.
02:25:04.680
So every time you have sex, you have to be okay with the fact that there's, you know,
02:25:10.080
a five to 10% chance that I could get pregnant having sex.
02:25:14.540
But the problem is nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions.
02:25:17.160
So everyone's using abortion as birth control, right?
02:25:19.460
And I don't even agree with the fact that a father should be able to walk away from a
02:25:23.920
mom and let her struggle and be a single mom and not pay child support.
02:25:27.500
I think when you, when you take that action, when you have sex, you should therefore have
02:25:32.160
the responsibility of that child because your actions have consequences.
02:25:41.940
Like when two people have sex, there is always a percentage of-
02:25:47.700
But if you simply don't have the resources to take care of a child-
02:25:56.020
And what if the baby daddy is like actually criminally horrible?
02:26:00.920
Wouldn't it be worse to murder the child than to give it a chance at life?
02:26:03.980
How is it murdering if it's like in the beginning stages of the-
02:26:12.320
Kids can have bad lives with moms and dads too.
02:26:15.440
It just depends on how you want to treat your kids, man.
02:26:18.360
You got, you got moms and dads that are married and they treat their kids like shit.
02:26:22.340
So if a kid turns out bad, well, it can be a lot of factors, but you don't have to keep it.
02:26:29.140
So I had a friend, this man who got her pregnant, told her she was gonna be a terrible mother.
02:26:38.020
He said he didn't want to be in the child's life.
02:26:48.520
He said, yeah, I don't want to be part of the child's life.
02:26:51.660
Like, so what do you say to that girl that has no means-
02:26:55.660
What do you say to a girl that has no means to provide for that child who would like-
02:27:06.740
So you don't understand because you have not been in that circumstance.
02:27:12.280
So if you already lack resources and you feel like you can't take care of a child, you have
02:27:17.560
There are over 3,000 pregnancy resources in America.
02:27:23.480
We live in such an individualistic society where everybody is like, oh my gosh, what's
02:27:30.960
So when someone gets pregnant and there's like, oh, well, I can't financially afford this
02:27:39.300
But you're giving the child a worse life by killing it than bringing it into this world
02:27:44.900
Most children that come out of that type of circumstance don't really have a great grand
02:27:53.540
I have friends that come from that circumstance.
02:28:01.860
You're trying to be condescending because I grew up-
02:28:12.680
And they get them over and over again as birth control.
02:28:14.820
Yes, because of lack of education and resources.
02:28:23.900
I'm glad you knew that, that you were well-educated on sex and reproduction.
02:28:33.300
So if you live in Section 8 or lower-income housing, your schooling isn't funded as much.
02:28:42.960
I thought liberal places, liberal passions have the most money.
02:28:46.480
Yeah, a lot of people don't come from a two-party household.
02:28:48.700
They come from broken families, and that's like the majority.
02:28:53.120
So you're saying they should kill their child if they can't-
02:28:56.880
It's not murder if it's in the beginning stages.
02:29:09.340
I think that six weeks is the first time that the nerve-
02:29:11.460
We're just having a conversation that's non-biblical.
02:29:15.000
You know, there is a life that happens when the sperm meets the egg.
02:29:18.280
If actually anybody wants to find out if life happens, it actually-
02:29:24.260
I know I felt it when I got pregnant with my daughter.
02:29:27.100
It's because it's calcium sulfate mixed with magnesium.
02:30:00.400
I will agree with what you said about the environment at home not being right to bring a child into
02:30:11.660
And granted, I think I used to have a different view.
02:30:19.320
But, but I believe, but I believe differently now.
02:30:24.740
And, and yes, it may be not desirable to carry a baby around for nine, 10 months, but
02:30:30.820
you do have the option of giving that baby up for adoption.
02:30:34.240
I don't think that's the argument that I'm making.
02:30:40.620
And I think we're going to get Andrew here in just a moment.
02:30:42.280
Kat Spencer, that with a hundred British pounds.
02:30:48.380
I'd like to remind women that men made laws to protect them.
02:30:50.940
And those lucky enough to be born in the West should be grateful.
02:31:32.160
And he says, Chair 2, what substance are you on tonight?
02:31:42.620
It's, I have, like, the most high, strong anxiety.
02:31:57.180
Klain, Chair 1 is a victim of idiocy, also a victim of woke culture.
02:32:14.600
He's, I think we're going to get him pulled up here in just a moment.
02:32:31.400
I thought he was hitting on you, but no, he was just saying he loves your arguments.
02:32:44.000
Wait, Felicia, are you able to just take my seat for a moment while I, oh, you're getting
02:32:49.360
Once you're back, I'll have you just take my seat, and then we'll get Andrew pulled up.
02:32:54.380
I'm going to have to use the restroom before, Andrew.
02:33:02.480
Here, while I'm just waiting on that, let me see if there's anything we needed to get
02:33:08.500
I'll do one quick note before we get Andrew pulled up.
02:33:15.560
Okay, guys, if you can talk amongst yourselves.
02:33:18.240
I don't know if you had another question for them.
02:33:20.880
I mean, I just want to keep going on the abortion argument.
02:33:24.800
Well, I don't think we ever got to, like, a conclusion.
02:33:27.240
I don't think there's ever, like, an actual conclusion with the abortion argument because
02:33:31.480
there's such a differentiation or whatever, like, between, is that the word, differentiation?
02:33:46.220
But I have friends who have, and they were in really bad circumstances.
02:33:50.060
And, like, I saw from their perspective what they went through.
02:34:07.620
The baby, like, it was not going to have a good life.
02:34:14.340
How would you know it doesn't have a good life?
02:34:15.800
Like, you can't just eliminate their life based on chance.
02:34:26.560
Brian, how many have you had to cover the cost of?
02:34:37.560
I just want to say there's a lot of discourse in academia of how much we should consider morality
02:34:45.820
and religion when it comes to creating or having these discussions, but when it comes
02:34:53.520
So these conversations are important because there are people who believe there is religious
02:34:57.660
backing and moral backing to why there should be a law or there's other people who believe...
02:35:02.960
And let's look at who's making these stupid ass bag policies in Washington right now.
02:35:08.500
I wouldn't trust any of these fuck bags making fucking policy at all.
02:35:17.380
Abortion can damage your body, and I have a friend who had done it, and now she can't
02:35:26.980
I'm not sure, but she's had it like two times, and she can never have a baby at all, and she
02:35:34.520
I wonder what the statistics are on how often someone becomes unable to bear children after
02:35:42.020
If it's a safe abortion, usually there's no issue with conceiving after.
02:35:50.320
Since I've had one, I will say I was very young.
02:35:58.220
I chose to take the pill, go home, and pass it, and it was very traumatizing.
02:36:06.980
I can't say that I regret it, because, again, some people maybe think that child would probably
02:36:15.620
not have a decent life, even though I would have made it work if I would have had it, but
02:36:20.320
I have had a child, and he's healthy, and it was just, you know, 20 years ago, it was
02:36:25.880
different, and it was just a decision, and I can't go back, and that's it.
02:36:32.940
You wouldn't have changed your mind if you were back then, like, knowing what you know
02:36:38.560
I made a decision, and I stick with it, and that's...
02:36:43.460
I feel like when you make a decision, you make the decision.
02:36:54.340
But even if we take religion out of it, you were mentioning removing religion and morality
02:37:04.060
It's just there is conversation of how much of morality and religion should we consider
02:37:10.360
But I think if we're not considering morality, then what are...
02:37:16.080
It's just to what extent do we think, oh, what if this child cured cancer?
02:37:21.440
It's like that debate, whereas we could realistically look at the position the woman is in now and
02:37:27.440
if it would benefit her life or if it would benefit the child's life.
02:37:30.280
So it's just kind of this balance of morals and religion and literature and academia and
02:37:40.240
I think there should just be a level of it to consider.
02:37:44.700
Now that I'm thinking about that, I guess I couldn't really pose that question because
02:37:48.580
I have other views that potentially would go against morality.
02:37:54.080
Especially when it comes to, like, legalities in the court system.
02:38:03.080
Well, we have a different opinion on if it's murder.
02:38:05.220
Okay, so why, when a pregnant woman gets shot or killed, why is it a double homicide?
02:38:17.560
Well, if she wanted to carry that child to a human being, then yes, it is double homicide.
02:38:31.640
So if I think in my head about killing somebody, am I murdering them?
02:38:43.260
So if it's not a life by your standard, how could it be murder regardless of the intent?
02:38:50.200
So regardless of the intention of the mom, how in the world could it be murder just based
02:38:57.740
That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life.
02:39:05.660
If she was trying to carry that child to birth and that option was taken from her because
02:39:13.120
she was murdered and therefore it killed the baby, then that's a double homicide.
02:39:17.320
That's not a baby, though, by your standard, right?
02:39:24.660
And if she wanted to carry it to full term, then it would have been a child.
02:39:28.120
It would have been a baby by your standards, is that correct?
02:39:34.280
Whatever the point is where you think it's not a baby.
02:39:36.180
If she hadn't decided to have an abortion and she wanted to carry that child...
02:39:40.260
Why is this for what her decision doesn't matter here?
02:39:42.740
We just have different opinions because I'm pro-choice.
02:39:51.120
So, woman, right, whether or not it is the case that she wants to have the abortion or
02:39:57.520
not have the abortion, from your view, is that a baby or not a baby?
02:40:10.360
I just don't know how to answer your question, so...
02:40:12.980
Well, at what term do you think of an abortion?
02:40:18.120
What do you mean you don't know how to answer the question?
02:40:20.040
Is the thing inside the woman's belly a baby or not?
02:40:26.440
So, even if she were murdered before what I consider to be a life of a child, which is...
02:40:34.980
You can have an abortion if it's up to six weeks.
02:40:37.740
So, even if she were murdered at the three-week mark, the four-week mark, if her plan was to
02:40:43.240
carry that child and bear that child, then I do think, yes, that's the reason it's double
02:40:49.260
Is that child, from your view, an actual baby or not?
02:40:57.760
Because the senseless action, if that didn't happen, it would...
02:41:02.720
Yes, but if that didn't happen, she would have had a baby.
02:41:09.820
If she hadn't had an abortion, she also would have had a baby, right?
02:41:22.940
If it is the case that the woman intended to have the baby, she would have had the baby.
02:41:26.220
Should I have the opinion that it shouldn't be a double...
02:41:28.420
If it is the case that, hang on, but if it is the case that the woman aborts the child
02:41:36.360
And we know it's murder because if she's murdered with the baby in her womb, even if it's before
02:41:42.300
when you consider it to be a baby, you consider that murder because the baby's not brought
02:41:47.560
So, no matter what, from your view, abortion would be murder.
02:41:50.080
So, you think my stance should be that it shouldn't be considered a double homicide?
02:41:56.300
Yeah, that would be at least the consistent stance.
02:41:59.020
Sure, that would be the consistent stance, but I just think there's more nuance to it.
02:42:04.800
Like, how do you intend something to be alive or not?
02:42:07.820
It either is alive, and it is the thing, or it's not.
02:42:12.560
So, like, could I be like, you know, you killed the chair, you know?
02:42:17.100
Because my intention is that the chair is alive.
02:42:22.540
The chair isn't actually alive, so you can't murder the chair.
02:42:26.440
From your view, this is not a baby, so how could the guy be charged for two homicides?
02:42:32.040
I'll fix my stance and say that if it's after six weeks, then it should be a double homicide
02:42:39.380
If that makes you feel better about me having a consistent...
02:42:41.040
Should women be able to have abortions after six weeks?
02:42:44.680
You're asking if we should be able to have abortions past six weeks?
02:42:48.860
So, now I'm changing my stance from the double homicide that if it's prior to six weeks,
02:42:56.480
So, women should not be allowed to have abortions past six weeks?
02:43:11.420
Because a lot of women don't know until the six-week mark, and then they don't have the
02:43:19.260
When you do, like, a meta thing, when you give commentary about the status of something,
02:43:25.240
it's kind of actually irrelevant to the question.
02:43:27.120
So, like, if I go, you know, how is the weather outside?
02:43:32.880
Well, I'm letting you know that I don't have a specific opinion.
02:43:35.300
I'm not asking you what Jim, Paul, and Chuck think.
02:43:48.300
Yeah, Brian didn't give his opinion on if he was pro-choice or pro-life.
02:43:51.340
He said both sides had, or pro-life had, a lot of information that he agreed with as
02:44:02.980
But when you make a stance that you say something is murder, then you're giving us a value for
02:44:08.740
So, if that's the case, then you must think that there's value, that this is actual life
02:44:15.980
Yeah, so, I mean, if that's the case, then you would at least have to admit that if a
02:44:20.140
woman has an abortion after the six-week mark, she is actually killing a baby.
02:44:24.100
Yes, I think there's scientific backing that life begins at around six weeks because of
02:44:31.140
neurons or nerve endings or something like that.
02:44:39.100
I just listen to the scientists and think if that's the cutoff that they think is allowable
02:44:51.460
Yeah, I mean, it's just all opinions at the end of the day, but legally, it's the six-week
02:44:56.020
Yeah, so all scientific consensus is that life begins at conception.
02:45:07.240
If you look up right now, scientific consensus of when human life begins, it will say at
02:45:17.180
I was just under the impression that that was a religious sentiment.
02:45:22.680
No, that's the scientific consensus is that human...
02:45:30.820
That would have to be categorized as human life.
02:45:33.480
So that's when scientists, via consensus, think human life begins.
02:45:42.640
Not necessarily, because again, they have the six-week benchmark for some reason.
02:45:47.360
I think it's when the child at that point has more autonomy and ability than previously
02:46:08.460
Like, the moral implications of abortion, those aren't questions that science can answer.
02:46:14.060
They could maybe give us an idea of when consciousness begins or when life begins or things like that,
02:46:18.500
but science isn't in the business of giving us any type of ought claims.
02:46:22.540
They're just only interested in descriptors, really.
02:46:28.500
Like, science could tell us how a nuclear bomb works, but couldn't tell us when we're supposed to use one.
02:46:39.800
I'm going to let one chat come through, then we're going to get right into some really good stuff.
02:46:55.200
I can build a house, rebuild a car, cook, and fly jets.
02:47:08.720
All right, so, and Andrew, do you have a, what's your heart out for tonight?
02:47:20.300
Since Andrew does have some limited time, though, there were two people on the panel who kind of wanted to, well, had perhaps specific notes for them.
02:47:29.220
So there's other things we're going to get to a little later on in the show, but we're going to focus on those for now.
02:47:34.900
I'm going to jump to you briefly because you wanted to specifically talk to Andrew.
02:47:38.720
But then, Jazz, you had some notes that were directed kind of at both me and Andrew.
02:47:46.400
By the way, to the panel, it's nice to meet you all.
02:47:54.760
I was a little late because I was catching up on my beauty sleep.
02:47:59.800
As you can see, I definitely need more of that.
02:48:11.860
You were looking a little rough last week on the debates.
02:48:25.920
No, I brought Lalo with no preservatives, additives.
02:48:38.280
You are low-key a degen just like I am, but not in like the extremity I am, but like in
02:48:53.140
I drink in celebratory, usually for the purpose of celebration, or sometimes it'll be to calm
02:48:58.840
my nerves or things like that, but I don't actually seek out drinking to get drunk, at
02:49:07.340
Maybe if I'm at a friend's wedding or something like that, I'll be like, hey, we're going to
02:49:10.800
get wrecked tonight on a special occasion or something like that, but those are pardonable
02:49:16.280
I would argue because when you were here last, you're like, I need a shot.
02:49:19.400
When like the male feminist is sitting right here, you're like, I need a shot, Brian.
02:49:38.840
So if I, if I, do you, do you know what people used to say in the 17, 1800s?
02:49:47.640
I mean, I mean, you know that there's books from those times, right?
02:49:51.160
Yeah, but things have been, things have been written and rewritten all throughout history.
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But do you think that it's just one person who writes the book and nobody ever rewrote
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My point is, is that sometimes people would drink alcohol to do what they called fortifying
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So it could be for any number of different reasons.
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Sometimes it was especially helpful if you were working outside, it would take the tension
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If you had a quick drink or if you hadn't seen a friend for a long time, you'd have a
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But in order to leave tension or one way that men often greet each other is to say,
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Do you think that the church would consider it sinful to go have a beer with your friend?
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So what my statement was saying is that when you were sitting here with a male feminist,
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I wouldn't categorize that as having a drink with the boys or having a drink to combat work
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So you wouldn't claim that you're an alcoholic slightly?
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Ladies, stop filibustering me and listen to me.
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Alcoholics are dependent on alcohol to function.
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You had to depend on it to function with the male feminist.
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I literally go for months without having a drink.
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So you can't come back at people saying abortion is wrong when you literally come into the seven sins, the deadly sins or whatever you pertain to the Bible.
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I'll sit here and try to calculate how many shots of alcohol I've ever taken if you tell
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us how many dicks you've had to suck in your mouth.
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I don't remember how many shots I've had in my life.
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How many vagina holes have you put your dick inside of?
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So anyway, so again, real quick, I'm trying to dive into this.
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Is it the case that if I told a woman I don't remember how many shots I've had in my life,
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that she's going to respond to that the same way a man will respond if you say,
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I don't remember how many dicks I've sucked in my life?
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Yeah, do you think that me telling a woman I don't remember how many shots I've taken in
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my life, that she would take that and respond to it a lot better than you telling a man
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you don't remember how many dicks you've sucked in your life?
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Well, it's two different species of male and female, so like...
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Well, you didn't think that one through, did you?
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Hey, Andrew, you have argued that male and female are two different species, so don't ever...
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No, I've never argued that males and females are two different species.
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No, I've never made an argument that we're a different species because I'm not fucking stupid.
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Pluralistic, like, if you say, that woman over there is stupid, she's like, so you think all women are stupid?
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Am I saying right there, I'm the smartest bitch at this table?
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Like, I've acknowledged that I'm neurodivergent, so you're basically mocking my, like, lack of brain cells.
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Neurodivergent means you have a lack of brain cells?
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All right, I'm glad you guys common ground there.
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All right, we're going to get into some substance here, so let's see here.
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We'll do a few from you, Julie, then we'll come back to them later because I think we're going to...
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Jazz and Andrew are going to square up a little bit.
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We're going to try to move through these ones quickly so we can't linger too long on them.
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But, Julie, you said, staying in marriage for kids, women can't have sex when they don't love the other person.
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Furthermore, men will sacrifice everything for their family.
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Women are generally not capable of doing so despite trying.
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So, obviously, there's a bunch of tangents there.
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But I know I've listened to you before and you've spoken about people staying in marriages, right, kind of just working through everything.
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I mean, so one of the questions I have for you is, for example, if a woman, if there's, say, for the fact that they didn't get along without going into detail.
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So, over several years, they didn't really get along and eventually that caused distress for the woman to where she fell out of love.
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I think for a lot of women, or at least for me, I can't have sex with someone if I'm not in love with them, right?
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So, do you think it can still work through that?
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Okay, so let me make sure I get a couple things clear just to make sure I got it right.
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When you say that you can't have sex with anybody unless you're in love with them, right, does this mean that if you found a man to be extremely attractive that you would just be unable to have sex with him?
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So, in the beginning stages of a relationship, when two people are very attracted to each other, I would agree that there's still some element of waiting.
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But when you get to that point at which you have these strong feelings for another person, right, so there's that at that point at which you can be intimate with someone, right?
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And then, obviously, you fall in love and so on and so forth.
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So, I do agree that there's that initial piece when you're in the initial stages.
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Like, if I went out and was really attracted to someone, I still can do it.
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So, once you get into a marriage and you've been together for years, and I'm not just asking for myself, I'm just asking in general for many people because I think there's a lot of marriages where that's the case.
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How does a man stay in a marriage for years and years, potentially, without receiving sex from his wife?
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And then, I guess, the other part that I didn't ask was, how does women have a harder time, I think, hiding or faking emotions to look happy for the children?
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You don't want your children growing up with people that are unhappy, who are unhappy.
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So, how do you, in your eyes, how do you make that work?
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And I'm only asking because I've been listening to several conversations on the podcast.
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How would this work from the Christian view, or how would this work from the non-Christian view?
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So, from the Christian view, she's not fulfilling her duties inside of the marriage.
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And there would be probably ecclesiastical intervention from the priest and community to try to assist with whatever the problem is.
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Maybe he's fat, or he stinks, or, you know, who knows what the actual issues are.
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Or it could just be that she's no longer attracted to him.
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But, I mean, that would be how that would be dealt with.
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It would be dealt with inside of the community.
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Even people who seek marital help are basically doing the same thing.
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They're looking for some kind of, like, third party or arbiter to a system with whatever those, you know, marital issues are.
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So, I don't know if you're asking me something beyond that, you know, and I'm missing it.
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No, I guess I'm just thinking of the greater good in certain circumstances, right?
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Whether it's Christian or whether it's what's ideally best for children.
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It is generally best for children, for their parents to stay together.
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There's obviously going to be some cases where that's not the case.
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But overwhelmingly, it is the case where if the parents stay together, their children are definitely going to have way better outcomes.
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So, ultimately, I mean, what if there isn't a way to work around that?
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What if the woman has tried, you know, has done her best to do her duty?
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You know, the thing is, is, like, this is an interesting question.
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And I talk about this a lot with various people from all over the place.
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But when I start to hone in on the specifics, because in this case, we're making, like, kind of a general statement.
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It is generally true that if parents stay together, even if they, like, don't have that spark or whatever it is, it's probably going to be better for the children.
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But then the question is, like, what if it's the case that they just are so bad for each other that they can't make it work?
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But any time we discuss it, I hone in on the specifics.
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If there's not abuse or drug addiction or things like this, usually it's just one person's not trying at all.
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They just don't want to participate in the relationship.
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This whole stay together, you know, for the kids thing.
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That's the thing about parents and about adults.
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They know when their parents are fucking in their beds.
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I could wake up at, you know, 2 o'clock in the morning and hear the waterbed sloshing.
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When you guys fight, they know when you guys are being fake.
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That's not good psychologically for a child to know that you don't give love to your spouse.
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You don't give love to the person you're supposed to love.
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The person that you conceived with to bring them in the world with.
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And then you're just like acting like fucking roommates.
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I've heard them a million times from feminists.
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And if it's because of child support payments, well, you know what?
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You're going to pay fucking child support whether you like it or not.
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I've heard this a million times from feminists.
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And that's why where we are today with this bullshit gender bullshit because of feminism.
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Do you remember how I didn't cut you off at all and let you finish your entire thing before I said anything?
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Well, I don't know why you're thanking yourself and then welcoming yourself.
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So, anyway, the reason that these sorts of arguments don't hold up is because, first of all, children in their tender years don't really remember shit.
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When do they need the formulation of mom and dad the most?
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Because always kids know when parents are being loving to each other.
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Are you going to give me a fucking statistic on most, really?
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I mean, a kid, when they see their parents together.
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And when they see their parents loving everybody together.
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Can you stop freaking out and just calm down for a second so I can ask the question?
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So, anyway, if you had to pick a set of years in which were the most important years for a child, which years would you put those in?
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So, if you don't show your wife or she don't show you love in those formative years, that kid is not going to know what love is.
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Either if you show your kid love, they are not.
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Yeah, so, I mean, how come all of the research on this is completely against you?
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That even if it's the case, the case for abuse, especially for-
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I mean, I understand that it's difficult for you because this morning was maybe the first time in weeks that you had to get off of your back.
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I ain't had no fucking dick in about two and a half years, and that's not even the reason.
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So, the thing is, is like, if we look at the stats, yes, this is indeed the case, that it's cohabitation-
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Epitome of my fucking misery is what y'all are.
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Maybe you just don't want to have a conversation.
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When you say that it's always better that the parents stay together, as long as there's no abuse or anything like that, better than-
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So, I get straw man constantly, and the reason is, is because, like, ladies I was just talking to, they can't be quiet long enough to listen to what I'm saying.
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Even though I will listen to everything they just said, when I'm giving a response, they just can't even chill out for five seconds to even hear what I'm saying.
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So, that's what happens is, people straw man me constantly.
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I didn't actually say, in all cases, I wouldn't say that, because that would be a monolith.
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In most cases, we could say, at least in most cases, this is true.
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And there's that most thing that you were talking about again.
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Yeah, remember how I used that word in context, so it actually made sense?
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Better than a child living in two different homes?
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Well, the conditional of divorce most often leads to cohabitation between you and somebody who's not the parent of your child.
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And it's in the cohabitation where you see the largest forms of abuse, either from single mothers or from their partners.
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You rarely see this type of abuse inside of homes where you have the biological father and the biological mother.
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The abuse rates drastically decrease almost across the board, even if the parents report that they're not particularly happy in that marriage.
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Would you say that's the same, that translates also to, like, having a stepchild where you have one non-parent and one non-parent?
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So, yeah, I'm a stepfather myself, so again, it's not monolithic, but it is the case, generally speaking, that you're going to see a whole hell of a lot more abuse of your children from step-parents than you are from their biological parents.
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Every stat you'd ever look at would reaffirm that that's the case.
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But cohabitation is where it's the most dangerous, and cohabitation, even for the unaliving of men, when they unalive themselves, those rates skyrocket during cohabitation as well, far less likely even than if you're divorced than if you're cohabitating to unalive yourself.
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So, almost all of these, so if divorce generally leads to cohabitation, cohabitation, which means you're living with a person without marrying them, generally leads to these kind of wildly bad outcomes for people, then it would seem that keeping marriages intact would be a better idea for society.
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A lot of, I mean, there's a presumption here that divorce leads to cohabitation in abusive households.
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There are a lot of divorces that result in two happy homes.
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There are cases where that is true, and I wouldn't dispute that again.
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I'm not putting things in a monolith, but generally speaking, it is not actually good for the children to come from broken homes.
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Most children from broken homes have way worse outcomes than children who are not in broken homes, and if children are raised in cohabitation homes, they have way worse outcomes.
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In fact, you can look at things like, this one blew my mind.
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If you have two parents who are abusive to their kids, and then the state comes in and removes those children from the abusive household, they're actually far, far more likely to die in state custody than if you had left them in the abusive home.
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Well, yeah, because they've just been ripped away from their biological parents.
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Right, but you see how divorce rips you away from your biological parents.
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If your mommy and daddy don't live with you anymore, right, you're ripped away from one of them or the other of them at any given time.
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So if you're with mom for two weeks, and then you're with dad for two weeks, or you're with them every other week, right, you're missing time with one of them.
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Necessarily, it's a necessary condition of divorce, you're ripped away from your parents.
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For all cases, every single case, unless you were to have some bizarre case where the mom and dad divorce and then stay in the same home for the purpose of kids, that's happened before.
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And those kids even seem to have better outcomes, which is interesting.
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Sorry, Andrew, I thought you were, didn't mean to cut you off there, Andrew.
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Do you want to finish your point, but then we'll move it on?
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Yeah, I'm just saying, like, what so often happens is the some-all categorization, which is incorrect, and most people argue from this, which is just silly, right?
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It's like, if you say, generally speaking, it is the case that the sun will be shining tomorrow in Santa Barbara.
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I am correct that that is true, but you could still have a sunrise in Santa Barbara and not see it because it's an overcast day, right?
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It's like, I wouldn't put it at anything in a monolith that way.
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But we can still look at outcomes, general outcomes of society, and everything policy-wise is a give or take.
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You're taking from this group, and this group is going to be disproportionately affected.
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But we still know exactly what's good for the social adjustment of a society.
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We have 2,000 years of history to look at to know what are social goods inside of society and what aren't.
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We're going to move it to, Julie, we'll come back to some of your other notes in a little bit.
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But going here to Jazz, so, Jazz, we had a bit of an extensive back and forth when you initially had asked to be on the show.
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Let me get that pulled up here in just a moment.
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I was asking everybody to raise their hands before.
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You're a feminist, but you raised your hand for almost every single one when it came to men should pay for first aides.
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And your description of the – this is how we got kind of sidetracked.
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We weren't really talking about equal rights, but you were making the argument that,
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well, societally, in terms of gender expectations, gender norms, there's, like, negative gender expectations on men, negative gender expectations on women.
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And you yourself seem to perpetuate traditional gender norms in terms of your dating prospects.
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So how do you reconcile being a feminist, being in favor of sort of dismantling gender norms, gender expectations?
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But on the individual, personal level, you hold men to said traditional gender roles.
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So we do exist in society, and men are the perpetrators in violence against women.
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So I do need a protector, especially how we condition gender to be.
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Again, if you want to go the nature route and biological route, they have higher levels of testosterone,
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so they can gain more muscle and all of these things.
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So, in a sense, yeah, when we live in reality, and I do need a protector because of the circumstances,
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yes, I would like somebody who fits that role personally.
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But I do think that it is negative to push that.
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When it comes to wanting the outcome of gender liberation, on a grand scale, it is negative to push roles like that.
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I mean, I think it's pretty obvious if we look at the statistics when it comes to violence between genders.
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So, do you want us to believe that you're selecting men based on the fact that they can protect you,
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not because you find that attractive, but because you just find it to be utilitarian?
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I think there might be a little bit of both, sure, that it is attractive.
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Yeah, you're going to go, like, the biological and genetic route with this,
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I just want to let you know that you've got to redo the last paragraph.
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There was a bunch of formal names there you didn't capitalize, but that aside...
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Well, your entire essay revolves around blank slate theory, which I don't even think that you believe.
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So the idea, well, when you make an appeal, you say that it's somewhat bad or somehow bad or should not happen that men don't show expressive emotion.
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That seemed to be one of the key points that you were pointing out in your essay.
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But there's a problem there, which is I think you just kind of fundamentally misunderstand what masculinity and femininity are.
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It's saying that masculinity and femininity are just social traits which are conditioned by the environment.
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Masculinity and femininity revolve around the idea of virtues.
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The way that we assign what is masculine is based along virtues, things like courage, for instance, for women.
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Maybe it would be along the lines of chastity, right?
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The reason that you assign these to men and women is because if there is a lack of one in one sex versus the other, the social conditions of society begin to deteriorate rapidly.
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So if women aren't chaste, the social conditions of society actually deteriorate far more rapidly than if men aren't chaste.
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However, if women lost all courage tomorrow, the societal conditions would deteriorate less rapidly than if men lost all courage tomorrow.
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That's why it's the case that femininity and masculinity must be tied to virtues and always have been.
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It's not just a matter of the blank slate social conditioning.
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It's you can't have a society without these very ideas of masculinity and femininity existing to begin with.
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Therefore, gender needs to actually have an assignment with sex for a good reason.
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Well, I was just going to ask if you think that that means that it should be gender specific.
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Like, why can't we just hold these values within society?
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If it is the case that men decided to not be courageous anymore tomorrow, then the social ramifications in society would deteriorate so quickly that there would not be a society at all.
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However, if women stopped having the same courage that men did, let's say, for perhaps confronting intruders or going storming the battlefield or whatever it is,
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the social conditions inside of society would deteriorate far less.
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And so it's actually necessary for the sexes who can actually accommodate these goals and deeds to have these actual traits associated with their sex because they're the only ones who can really accommodate them.
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My take is just that perpetuating those ideas is pretty limiting to the human experience because then you wouldn't have women who feel masculine and go into male-dominant roles.
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And I think that's just limiting to the human experience.
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Yeah, but do you, like, do you understand why it would be so bad for us to take women and then try to masculine or, you know, make them masculine by moving them towards roles that they're not even biologically equipped for?
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But I'm suggesting that there are people, well, this isn't a suggestion, there are people who exist outside of this gender heteronormative binary with these traits.
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Why do you think it's a good idea to take society and the social roles that are inside of society and turn them all upside down to accommodate 0.5% of people?
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I'm just saying, why are we not accepting of women?
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Because we have to accept men in our, I'm sorry, I will never accept a fucking man who has an Adam's apple dressed as a woman, say he's going to come in my space as a woman and take over my shit.
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My mother and grandmother burned their bras for women's, and I don't, what the fuck is this waves of feminism?
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Okay, when we, and we have the laws, Title IX, Title IX, you're going to keep fucking men in your spaces.
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You're going to keep men in your spaces, and we're going to keep women in our spaces, and that's it.
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All this is is liberal fucking propaganda bullshit that we have to accept a man being a woman.
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Really, does your little Adam's apple go away when you decide you want to have tits and a fucking pussy getting your fucking dick cut off?
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You're not going to come in my spaces, and that's it.
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You got mental illness, and get help for your mental illness.
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Enough with this bullshit, this propaganda crap.
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A lot of shit has changed for a lot of years, but you know what?
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When it gets down to brass tacks, yeah, I don't need this psycho babble.
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And no man can have a fucking baby, and that's it, man.
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Yeah, but that actually makes the best point for the lack of...
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Oh, you want to twist the fucking psychological around to make a man be a woman?
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Yeah, I don't know, considering that I'm one of the largest anti-trans proponents in the
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I don't know why the fuck you would associate that with me, but okay.
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I'm sticking my head in the microphone is what I'm doing.
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After you've read my essay, I think we can just both agree that we have...
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I put my mouth in the microphone, just like Brian said.
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One of the most valid points that she makes is the idea of reproduction, right?
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It's like only one sex can reproduce and has control over reproduction.
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Since that's the one role that they can do that men can't do, you would think that you
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would want to socially be promoting reproduction unless you were an antinatalist and you didn't
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And it is the case that most feminists I've talked to are very much antinatalists.
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Well, can anybody give me a definition of a woman?
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Well, there is a definition, but anyway, go ahead.
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That's the actual definition, adult human female.
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Because any human that menstruates from the age of nine to about 45...
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No, so you're saying that women who can't menstruate...
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But lady, the reason your definition is silly is because in a few years, you probably won't
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But you just said you have to menstruate to be a woman.
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The biggest problem is, is like, even when we have...
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Because if a woman can't have a baby, it doesn't matter if you can have a baby out
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Like, from my side of it, even when I have people who agree with me, the biggest things
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that I have to deal with is that you present the argument...
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Well, stop putting that cigarette up to your fucking face.
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I mean, are cigarettes that offensive to a prostitute?
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There's a lot of other things that go on OnlyFans than that.
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Yeah, are you doing those other things, or are you showing your boobies for money?
03:24:13.080
So that's the thing, is like, don't lie to me and say you're not a prostitute when you're
03:24:19.080
A prostitute is somebody fucking somebody for money, actually having sex somebody for money.
03:24:28.560
That's why the liberal bullshit took over the media.
03:24:32.200
Yeah, that's why SpongeBrain's shitpants was hidden for four fucking years.
03:24:37.040
You know, because the liberal media, all of a sudden, we got to be programmed to what
03:24:57.780
I should have been on here when Charlie Kirk was on here.
03:25:16.720
Well, by definition, a discussion means you speak and you listen.
03:25:25.020
Yeah, but I don't think you know what Andrew's position is.
03:25:28.260
It doesn't seem like you know what Andrew's even saying.
03:25:33.920
But you guys are in agreement, and you're responding as if you disagree with him.
03:25:46.740
You did kind of call him liberal, and he's literally not liberal.
03:25:54.120
Really quick, Mary, pull up that photo that I pulled...
03:26:32.100
I know this on your Instagram, and are you wearing a cross right now?
03:26:41.960
And this is very special to me because I got out of rehab for this.
03:26:50.160
Mary, pull up the photo really quick so Andrew can see it.
03:26:53.700
So this is on your Instagram, and you have a lot of photos that are just like this.
03:26:58.300
You're always wearing this cross necklace with quite a bit of cleavage.
03:27:07.500
And you also on your Instagram, there's a link to your OnlyFans.
03:27:20.840
One quick question, then I'm going to pass it back over to Andrew.
03:27:29.460
I'm on this earth to do what I'm going to do, and he accepts me.
03:27:32.920
I pray every day, and I pray, if he likes it, my forgiveness, and that's it.
03:27:54.640
If God wants you or is fine with you doing OnlyFans, what do you think Satan wants?
03:28:18.880
See, when you talk about sex work, am I fucking somebody?
03:28:29.800
Whether it's masturbation, whether it's dildos, whether it's naked, whether it's not sex.
03:28:35.840
Would you agree that through your OnlyFans, you're inducing men to lust?
03:28:53.740
Even if you're a non-denominational Christian, how would you reconcile this with your faith?
03:28:57.440
And then, again, I'll just ask the question again.
03:29:00.580
Do you think God wants you to be doing OnlyFans?
03:29:13.220
And if we feel good with it, and we don't feel anything wrong with it, as long as we're not hurting anybody or ourselves.
03:29:25.240
Isn't there a phrase from the Bible, go and sin no more?
03:29:29.980
That's, if you go to Jesus and say, I have sinned so badly, just please forgive me.
03:29:36.700
Okay, really quick, just really quick, then I'm passing it over to Andrew.
03:29:39.700
Just a yes or no, yes or no, not an I don't know.
03:29:49.760
If God wants you to be doing OnlyFans, then you would say that Satan doesn't want you to be doing OnlyFans?
03:30:09.340
There's either doing or there's no trying in life.
03:30:29.600
That little Yoda is a really fucking smart guy, man.
03:30:39.140
You can speak impassionately, but try not to, like, in terms of your volume...
03:30:51.760
I have to give credit to Andrew for that argument, the question about what if God wants you to
03:30:57.860
be doing OnlyFans, and then, of course, what does Satan want.
03:31:04.960
I did want to make an announcement, and Andrew maybe has some thoughts on this.
03:31:08.280
Guys, so Andrew had a fantastic debate with a woman named Kylie.
03:31:13.960
This was our debate that we had, I believe it was on Sunday, or excuse me, no, Saturday
03:31:18.280
before our last Sunday show when we had Andrew here in person.
03:31:22.060
Kylie has messaged me, and then pull up the Discord, so you can pull it up.
03:31:46.460
Do you have it pulled up on Discord full screen?
03:31:52.940
All right, so if you guys want to see the messages, you're not going to click on that,
03:31:56.020
but if you want to see the messages, it's in my Discord.
03:32:03.900
She said she hired a law firm, so a lawsuit is probably imminent from her.
03:32:09.600
I fully blame Andrew because Andrew so thoroughly demolished her worldview that she was so upset
03:32:23.620
She's suing me because Andrew just dog walked her the entire day.
03:32:38.720
She's alleging that we harassed her and that we set her up.
03:32:48.580
We were going to cover her airfare and her hotel, right?
03:33:01.700
Listen, go back to when she got to the studio and told you about how she was engaged in
03:33:11.420
You said you were going to pay for her to come.
03:33:20.400
When she got to, when she got to the studio, she wanted Brian to give her all rights over
03:33:25.420
all clips or something like that because she was engaged in a lawsuit against somebody
03:33:31.100
and never really described how it was that she was suing him or why something about AI
03:33:40.700
I mean, she was basically like, and I've, I've, this is never a request that would ever
03:33:45.380
be granted, but she, this is what she said, Henry.
03:33:48.040
She said, I want to have final approval before any clip that you publish or you push out,
03:33:55.440
which no production company will, would ever agree to, at least for like an internet-based
03:34:02.420
So she wanted essentially final cut, like to, to, to have, we would have to be like, is
03:34:14.440
This is never granted in any sort of production.
03:34:18.680
She was like arguing over whether she had to sign the appearance release, mind you, in
03:34:24.160
a prior agreement that we had, it incorporates in that agreement that she has to sign the
03:34:29.400
And she's like, well, what happens if I don't sign the appearance release?
03:34:36.340
You guys can watch, watch it to see the whole back and forth.
03:34:40.660
She walked off a bunch of times, attacked, well, insulted Andrew in various ways, and
03:34:46.300
just kind of being a bit of a brat, a bit of a Karen.
03:34:49.420
But the really big thing was where there's a dispute here is that as she was about to
03:34:55.280
leave, she said that somebody contacted her, a third party contacted her and offered her,
03:35:01.240
uh, offered her essentially what we were going to pay her for her to walk off and just leave
03:35:13.180
Uh, so, but that then calls into question, basically, if some third party is interfering
03:35:19.500
with a contract that I had with her and she's benefiting from him enticing her to breach her
03:35:26.440
contract with me, I believe on that basis alone, granted, there's a lot of her other conduct that
03:35:32.540
I think would constitute breach of contract, excuse me, breach of contract, but on the basis alone
03:35:38.820
that she agreed to be paid from a third party to sabotage our production and walk off the set
03:35:46.320
And our contract stated she would be paid for her full appearance.
03:35:50.740
That would be breach enough to fully relinquish me of my duty to pay her under the contract
03:36:02.040
Uh, she's probably going to say there's defamation.
03:36:05.920
She's going to say there's breach of contract on our part.
03:36:08.140
Uh, she said that this California law firm is going to, whatever.
03:36:13.400
So if you guys want to support the show, join the discord.
03:36:18.780
I, oh, I sent her a, a scathing response, scathing response, if you want to see it.
03:36:24.680
So, um, yeah, what the fuck is going on back there?
03:36:34.140
When she was just pushing a bottle under the trash.
03:36:42.620
Uh, we need to get, we got way off course here.
03:36:49.840
So, I was asking you, Jazz, you raised your hand for every single thing.
03:36:56.160
How do you reconcile your feminist positions and you, your feminist positions almost strictly
03:37:06.760
It relates to like gender expectations and a rejection of traditional gender roles.
03:37:12.100
Yet in your own life, you don't hold up to your own sort of relinquishment of gender roles.
03:37:21.980
So, um, my focus in education was on political thought and theory.
03:37:27.800
So, um, I think I can hold ideas and an ideology that I don't necessarily participate in in the,
03:37:38.040
uh, present because those circumstances aren't a reality right now.
03:37:49.620
Women exist in a certain way and have certain roles.
03:37:59.100
The standard exists and I am someone that does participate in gender roles.
03:38:08.780
Um, like the idea of gender liberation and just political theory was my focus.
03:38:14.280
So, but so my question to you is, because I, I assume that when it comes to like the traditional
03:38:21.240
gender roles or expectations as it relates to women and dating.
03:38:25.580
So you would say, for example, uh, there's certain components that women should be able
03:38:32.660
Or being equal partners and not having the man make all the decisions in the relationship,
03:38:42.460
Like in your, in your own romantic relationships, do you want to be submissive?
03:38:48.700
I'm, I'm, I'm pretty independent and I mean, I'm not speaking in sexual terms, but pretty
03:38:55.420
And I think in my personal relationships, and this is why I think it's dangerous to perpetuate
03:39:00.040
a certain idea and roles onto people because everyone exists in a bunch of nuances.
03:39:05.180
And in my personal relationships, um, I would rather just have a partner.
03:39:09.380
So any characteristic that I lack, they should have.
03:39:12.660
And if, if you're a man who exists as the role of a man in society, and you need that
03:39:18.640
counterpart to be a woman who exists as the way women exist in society in that role, then
03:39:31.860
Do you believe in gender liberation only for women?
03:39:37.840
If all women, all even feminist progressive women are like you insofar as you like say,
03:39:44.720
well, it should be the case that men are allowed to, uh, maybe men can be stay at home dads,
03:39:50.840
but if zero women, especially feminist progressive women who perpetuate that men should be allowed
03:39:57.240
to do this, but none of them actually adhere to it in practice, in reality, then how can men
03:40:03.260
ever explore these other kinds of gender dynamics?
03:40:07.300
If you yourself as a feminist progressive liberal woman, you don't even want that in your own
03:40:13.400
And I think this would also equally apply to the vast majority of other feminist women who,
03:40:18.720
despite their own proclamations of wanting gender liberation or gender equity or equality,
03:40:22.800
they still demand chivalry and men paying for dates and men being protectors and providers
03:40:29.860
You want to escape from your traditional gender roles and relationships, but you want to,
03:40:34.440
you basically want to be 1950s bachelorettes and still maintain men to their traditional
03:40:42.100
No, I think, um, everyone should just feel free to exist as they should.
03:40:49.400
And I think perpetuating these roles is dangerous.
03:40:51.780
And although I do look for men who have to protect me physically, I think first it needs
03:40:56.680
to happen on an emotional level where you have a partner who's completely open with you emotionally
03:41:03.660
Um, but as it exists today, men are stronger than women physically, um, most likely.
03:41:12.200
So if I go ahead and just grant that fine, it's okay for feminists to want men to be protectors.
03:41:21.580
Yeah, I think when women go out with men, it's a risk because of, it's a risk for assault.
03:41:41.140
My opinion that like, if you're already fronting the risk, you know, the stat, the statistics
03:41:47.560
you reference include, it's really, uh, it's really kind of a disgusting, egregious thing
03:41:55.960
Essentially what they'll do is, is they'll lump in, uh, things that are perhaps we would
03:42:01.940
agree like shouldn't be done, but are like not nearly as bad as like full on violent stranger
03:42:09.680
For example, in these, in these studies, they'll include things like cat calling.
03:42:15.320
And they'll, I think that statistic is like way more.
03:42:21.800
They'll say that, uh, they'll, they'll create like this sort of, uh, amalgamation category,
03:42:26.900
a cat, a catch all category called sexual violence.
03:42:30.420
And in the sexual violence category, they're going to say that things like cat calling, uh, that
03:42:39.680
So when they, uh, when they give these questionnaires to these women and the women mark, well, yeah,
03:42:44.720
this one time, this guy cat called me, or if a woman's ever been called a slut, that also
03:42:57.500
I don't know any valid research or academic that would post any sort of, um, data that
03:43:06.960
That would be in the harassment category, not the violent.
03:43:09.860
They consider it, they consider it under that category.
03:43:14.400
But if, if it is the case that all these feminist institutions and, you know, RAINN, for example,
03:43:19.760
like that's pretty much the number one, uh, institution as far as I know, that's advocating
03:43:24.780
against SA, uh, and you think they skewer their data.
03:43:29.360
I've literally pulled, like, I've actually looked at their statistics and they make the one
03:43:36.060
And then if you look at the actual, it's most of it is from the NIS, but they've done other
03:43:41.960
If you actually look at like the questionnaires that they're sending out to these women, it
03:43:46.540
includes things like, have you ever been cat called?
03:43:51.560
And this is considered reputable or is this just like, you're saying it's just feminist
03:43:57.020
It's, it's literally what they're citing to these, uh, like RAINN.
03:44:01.760
It's the, uh, studies that they're citing to, to come to the determination that it's
03:44:07.360
been one in four or one in three women are victims of these crimes.
03:44:12.200
And then they're just, you're going to say, oh, it's one in three women are graved, but
03:44:16.460
it's actually, no, it's, they're, they're factoring in.
03:44:19.820
I just don't know who would consider that to be, um, if what you're saying is true, who
03:44:25.320
would consider that to be like accurate, uh, data selection?
03:44:28.580
Uh, I can show it to you if you'd like, um, no, I get what you're saying.
03:44:34.500
I'm just wondering, like, there has to be someone who has countered their data and been
03:44:38.980
like, this is a, a skewed data set and is inaccurate.
03:44:42.640
It's the data that these institutions that are, uh, but it's an inaccurate data set.
03:44:49.580
But I mean, if these are like the, the talking points, well, if these are the ultimate, uh,
03:44:55.720
organizations that are dictating basically the cultural zeitgeist of one in three women
03:45:01.340
are being essayed, but it's including things like catcalling and be called like getting
03:45:10.900
Well, Brian's just pointing out there, there's a lot of methodological issues like defining
03:45:17.380
and measuring violence is really difficult because you can only measure it by your definition
03:45:24.940
Like if, if you consider catcalling for instance, to be sexual violence, then that would skew
03:45:31.660
your numbers extremely high when they're really not as high as you're claiming.
03:45:37.540
Um, lifetime prevalence versus annual violence would be another one.
03:45:41.480
Types of violence, inflated sense of prevalence, right.
03:45:47.640
When I look at these numbers, I look often at how these things are defined and I find
03:45:52.940
massive discrepancies, which are absurd, just absurd.
03:45:56.200
Like the idea of catcalling, for instance, being sexual violence is fucking insane to me.
03:46:01.860
Uh, I'll get, I'm going to let this chat come through, then we're going to move it on
03:46:10.160
So, according to your logic, which other feminists also share, a person can be like Jason Voorhees
03:46:26.580
Um, they're asking if I support, yeah, if I support like serial killers, maybe?
03:46:33.300
I mean, obviously, there's a balance of morality that you have to consider when you are talking
03:46:38.980
in conversations like this, and I think murder is morally wrong, and I think academics, anthropologists,
03:46:45.300
political scientists, normal people on the street have all collectively agreed as a society
03:46:49.280
that murder is wrong and serial killers are wrong.
03:46:51.180
Getting back into the notes here for, no, it's fine.
03:46:54.600
Jazz, so, like I said, there was a bit of back and forth.
03:46:57.900
You said that our ideas, so I suppose me and Andrew, our ideas about gender are fundamentally
03:47:03.520
so different that it would be a waste for us to have the conversation that I suppose
03:47:10.380
we are having, have been having, and are about to have.
03:47:13.640
Can you clarify what ideas about gender are fundamental that me and Andrew is so fundamentally
03:47:21.460
You guys define gender as biological, and I disagree on that baseline, so we fundamentally
03:47:43.440
Oh, so her criticisms were just towards me, I guess.
03:47:46.220
Well, Andrew's part of the convo, so we'll, go ahead.
03:47:49.420
Yeah, so we would say that sex was a biological category, and gender would be a socially constructed
03:47:56.920
Gender is trying, yeah, so gender is trying to allude to some type, now I would disagree
03:48:01.480
with the descriptive of what you consider gender to be, that's true, but no, we would be able
03:48:10.740
Okay, yeah, I agree as well that gender is a social construct, but you think that the way
03:48:16.440
it exists, maybe not today, but a couple years ago, or decades ago, that male, men have a role
03:48:22.740
in society, and women have a role in society based off of their.
03:48:25.620
Neither role, yeah, well, by necessity, so can men reproduce?
03:48:33.920
No, so which sex do we have to count on to reproduce?
03:48:36.900
Sure, but why are you harping on reproduction so much?
03:48:39.300
Because you claim that there's no gender roles, right?
03:48:44.440
That these are, that it's a blank slate, that people can do whatever they want, but the truth
03:48:49.280
is, is that we have to have a society, and that's going to require reproduction, right?
03:48:53.180
Do you not think that there would be some sort of balance when it comes to-
03:48:56.900
Before you ask me a question, can you do me the service of answering mine?
03:49:01.760
Yeah, so, is it the case that women are the only ones who can reproduce?
03:49:09.140
Okay, so if that's the case, then help me out with this.
03:49:12.740
If we want to have a society, we need women to reproduce, right?
03:49:20.300
So if we need women to reproduce, why wouldn't we tailor society in such a way which was conducive
03:49:27.500
to female reproduction, and men who can't reproduce, not reproducing, but providing the services
03:49:34.240
in which their body archetype is designed for, why wouldn't we do that?
03:49:39.160
Well, do you think every woman should reproduce?
03:49:46.820
You're not getting, you don't answer a question by asking one, you answer a question by answering
03:49:52.000
So start with this, why is it that you don't want to tailor society towards females reproducing
03:49:59.420
since they're the only ones who can, and men towards doing the hard labor jobs and the
03:50:05.520
dangerous jobs, which basically only they can do as well?
03:50:08.940
Why would you not want society conditioned that way?
03:50:11.500
Because I think it's extremely limiting to the human experience.
03:50:17.500
And can women have an experience if they're not fucking born?
03:50:25.760
Now I'm willing to listen to your line of inquiry.
03:50:33.640
Do you think that if the roles weren't the way that they are, or the way that you want
03:50:38.300
them to be, where you need a woman to reproduce?
03:50:40.860
Yeah, so again, when you ask a monolithic question, the answer to your question is no.
03:50:44.700
I wouldn't say every woman on planet Earth needs to reproduce, but that's kind of beside
03:50:50.820
The truth is, is that we still need to have reproduction in order to have a society.
03:50:55.120
So even if it's the case that like women without uteruses can't reproduce, or women who can't
03:51:00.040
menstruate can't reproduce, or women who can't have eggs can't reproduce, or even some women
03:51:04.520
just are so untailored towards motherhood they can't, I would still think that you would
03:51:08.900
want the social conditions for reproduction to be the thing you focused on.
03:51:16.160
So do you think that reproduction wouldn't occur anymore if the roles weren't as they
03:51:26.900
What's the birth rate in every single Western country in most of the world?
03:51:33.720
So you need to have, mommy and daddy need to have two babies in order to replace mommy and
03:51:44.400
Are mommy and daddy having two babies to replace mommy and daddy right now?
03:51:54.660
It's almost like when we apply your insane ideology of non-specific gender roles and moving
03:52:01.280
the social conditioning to move women into the marketplace workforce where they're fucking
03:52:08.980
Now, under my worldview, which is the right worldview, I would tailor society towards females and reproduction,
03:52:25.860
Your society is being replaced, literally replaced by immigrants because our societies can't reproduce
03:52:35.240
Would you not suggest that maybe women should just have more resources to help them?
03:52:47.620
Yeah, so here's the biggest resource I want to give to women that'll help them the most
03:52:53.920
The ultimate resource that every rich man will tell you is the one thing that they can never
03:53:00.260
It's the one thing that you spend and never comes back to you.
03:53:05.700
And you know how you give women lots and lots of time?
03:53:07.980
You try to move the social conditions so that they can stay fucking home with their kids.
03:53:14.340
And then what do they have the most amount of abundance of?
03:53:21.300
So if you want to give women resources and stuff, right?
03:53:28.920
If you're going to spend most of your day away from your child, how is that conducive to
03:53:37.060
The government did that to keep us separated and segregated to get more tax money.
03:54:12.880
Again, I just think it's a really limiting stance.
03:54:17.420
Me, personally, I don't think I would find my ultimate purpose and value in having children.
03:54:27.980
Like, don't you understand that through the illusion of you thinking that you're promoting
03:54:36.160
The very idea that you have is because you would not be happy being a mommy.
03:54:41.080
You want to go in the workforce or some shit like that and go work for a boss in a cubicle
03:54:44.660
and complain about how cold it is to the HR lady.
03:54:49.100
See, the assumption there is that all of society should be tailored towards this thing that
03:54:55.460
You can still do that shit, but why wouldn't you try to move society towards the idea of
03:55:01.240
reproduction and the cross-generational or nuclear family, the backbone of all societies,
03:55:08.440
Why would you not want to move society towards that?
03:55:11.120
Even if you want to go have your cushy little air-conditioned job and not reproduce.
03:55:15.660
I hate that women have to choose between raising a child and having a successful career.
03:55:26.680
But what you're saying right there is that you would prefer to limit.
03:55:41.920
Yeah, but why is it such a bad thing to tailor society towards the idea that society can reproduce
03:55:56.400
There are still plenty of women who want to bear many children, more than one, more than
03:56:06.380
I would like to read for you the birth rate in South Korea.
03:56:12.140
The birth rate in South Korea is 0.78 births per woman.
03:56:27.320
Now, you can watch this on a flow chart from 1960 to 2000, completely bottom out into next
03:56:35.720
South Korea isn't going to be there in 200 years, or even 100 years.
03:56:42.320
They're estimating it goes as low as 0.38, right?
03:56:51.140
So that you can make a fucking sandwich for a boss somewhere?
03:56:59.420
I already know the answer, but I'll ask you anyway.
03:57:01.400
If it were the case that we limited women's rights in some capacity, but ended up with
03:57:07.320
a thriving reproductive society, or the alternative is that society just ceased to exist because
03:57:12.980
it could not reproduce itself, but women had no rights limited, would you select for the
03:57:19.380
society being wiped out or for rights being somewhat limited for women?
03:57:32.160
It's a question that wouldn't realistically happen.
03:57:39.200
Well, I have a question about your previous statistic.
03:57:40.860
Listen, if I asked you if a meteorite struck right next door and started a big fire, would
03:57:53.860
So I'm going to give it to you again, hypothetical again.
03:57:56.620
If it were the case that we limited women's rights to some degree, but saw an explosion in
03:58:01.580
reproduction, or we didn't limit women's rights to some degree, and society
03:58:05.820
ceased to exist in 50 years or 60 years, which one would you select for?
03:58:18.300
I don't think what you're saying, like limiting women's rights would, or taking away their
03:58:27.600
rights, like saying that they should just be homemakers, I don't...
03:58:30.420
Traditional is if it were the case that, so if it were the case that limiting women's
03:58:36.280
rights slightly, and men's even, you limit both their rights slightly, right, led to a
03:58:40.740
more reproductive and happy society, or you limited their rights in some capacity, would
03:58:47.280
you prefer, but that led to society ceased to exist in 50 years, which would you select
03:58:52.860
I'm not asking whether you think that that would happen or not, so which one would you
03:58:59.200
I would go with the first, but I also don't think that that would be the outcome.
03:59:08.180
It's just like extreme absolutes that wouldn't happen, so I really can't make a decision.
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You don't know, you can't decide on whether or not the human species ceasing to exist and
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your society ceasing to exist would be preferable over slightly limiting some of your rights.
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You don't know the answer to that question, and you wonder why it is that so many people
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Because I don't think those are necessarily the exact outcomes that would happen.
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Do you understand why so many more people gravitate towards my ideology than they do feminism?
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Because when you ask a person this question, it's such an easy answer, but feminists can't
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actually answer it because they know that the truth is, is that rather than be limited
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one iota, you would rather see society not fucking exist anymore.
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But if roles were reversed, if men were limited to just the house and they couldn't have passions
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I said if you had some of your rights slightly limited, we have our rights slightly limited
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I have limited rights on free speech, I can be drafted, Brian can be drafted, the men
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We have all sorts of limits on our rights and all sorts of duties associated with us.
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So tell me, since, yeah, and it would be preferable for me if there was a slight limit on men's
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rights, but it led to a reproductive society, I would definitely prefer that.
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Again, I think these are absolutes that just wouldn't happen.
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Yeah, I know, but if they did happen, which one would you select for?
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Um, I would want, okay, if it, if those were the absolutes that I have to choose from,
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I would want, um, society to continue to exist.
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But I do not believe that restricting their rights and, um, would end, would, would stop
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And I know you give that statistic in North Korea, but I do have a question is if they have
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a limit to how many children that they can't have.
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And China got rid of the one-child policy as well.
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Well, I was just wondering, because I was trying to conceptualize that, um, statistic.
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So here, let me give you an easy thing that you could do to tailor this that would make
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Now that you've agreed you would rather see society thrive.
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If it was the case that we promoted that women did not go to college, right, but used
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those childbearing years, which is their 20s, in order to have a family and reproduce instead,
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uh, we would see an explosion in reproduction in the United States.
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And I know this because the correlation between women going to higher education and the birth
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rate dropping, you can literally draw a line parallel to each other.
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Because they defer, uh, their childbearing years until they're in their 30s, that's why
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they have so, uh, so many less children, right?
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So would you be against a campaign which, which said to women, hey, you can still go to college,
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but you should do it later in life, after your 20s, after your reproductive years, and
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instead you should use those reproductive years to try to settle down with a family.
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But again, I don't think every woman's, um, dream or, um, value is in the fact that they
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Yeah, I know you're humans, but what is the more valuable thing that, that a woman can
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Well, I mean, I just, in a broader sense, our existence, I don't think we can, your existence
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Well, I don't want to limit it to just reproducing where humans with experiences and nuances
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Name a single thing that's more valuable a woman can bring than reproduction.
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What, what is a more valuable thing a woman can do than reproduce?
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What, uh, I'd say take care of their community.
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I don't necessarily think that they're only valued.
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Well, is there a community if the women aren't reproducing?
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I don't think all men are, I mean, all women are going to stop reproducing at one time.
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This is just like an outlandish absolute that wouldn't ever exist.
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Do you want to see what it is in the United States?
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That's one and two, if it is the case that you can, that taking care of the community
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is more valuable than childbirth, then why wouldn't you advocate that no women gave child
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birth to children and instead just took care of their community?
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They're probably not reproducing anymore because men think that their only value is in giving
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Oh, Hey, you, we have this really, really valuable thing that you can do.
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And I can't do it and neither can any male on planet earth.
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How dare you say that that's the most valuable thing that I can do, even though I agree with
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Like who here can name a single thing that is more valuable than female reproduction from
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And for the people who want to participate in that, that is great for them.
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Everyone says it's like, that's their meaning in life when they have children.
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And like the love is just unconditional and all of these things.
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But I think it's just, again, limiting to the human experience.
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And if men collectively only view women as something to reproduce in.
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There's something I've been wanting to ask you since I've been listening to you tonight.
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And I'm going to give you the floor, right, for this, because I want to hear it in the
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Let's pretend that you're playing a video game where you have to organize society, okay?
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And you note that one people group in the video game are twice as strong as the other,
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right, and they don't have as much trouble with hormone regulation.
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The other sex of the video game or the other people group in the video game, they happen
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to be the ones that can have the babies and they're a weaker sex, right, and they have
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a little bit more trouble with hormone regulation.
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How would you organize it as the video game player?
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I think we're way more complex than a Sims game where you just want to create.
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But inside of the Sims game, how would you organize the society?
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Similar to how you suggest we should do it in our society right now.
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For a video game where they're not humans and they're not complex and they don't have aspirations
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Isn't it amazing that when you ask a feminist this question, they want to organize society
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exactly how I want to in order to beat the game.
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If those are the parameters, you've given us the craziest parameters.
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The craziest parameters that you have a stronger sex that's twice as strong as the other and
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But that doesn't mean that's all we're meant for just because we're the only ones that
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The reason you keep monolithically saying we're all only meant for X, right?
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Yes, you all have reproductive organs so that you can reproduce.
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The reason their dicks get hard and they want to put them inside a woman's vagina is because
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they're biologically engineered to fucking reproduce.
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And so the reason they look at you and they're like, wow, she's got big old tits and nice
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little voluptuous hips or whatever it is that they say, it's because, right, they're looking
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at you as a vessel for a child from a biological perspective.
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That's how all of fucking humanity is organized and how all of humanity has always organized.
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Now, I would like you as the video game player to show me your new humanity and how it's
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Have you heard about them reproducing or making children from potentially from the bone marrow
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I wish to God that the test tube babies could actually happen absent female eggs.
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Because the one power that women do have in society is the power over reproduction.
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And I would love to see what happened if men then had the power over reproduction.
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I think that your ideas of being an equal citizen and things like that with men would completely
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deteriorate to non-existence if men had the power over their own reproduction.
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Imagine a man could just go and make the type of baby that he wanted, absent ever having
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And what do you think happens to the rights of women then?
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I think the case is that you still need the female egg, but in a world you're saying...
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Hey, if you'll sell your assholes on OnlyFans, I'm pretty sure you'll sell your eggs for a few
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Anyway, I mean, my take is just that I think it's extremely limiting to assume women's roles
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Like, this is, like, extremes that we're discussing.
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Show me, then, the society that you would organize and how it would thrive, absent those narrow
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gender roles where you have one sex, which is twice as strong as the other and can't reproduce.
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How the fuck would you organize society better?
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Because the only logical thing would be to take the, oh, you're twice as strong as this
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sex, let's put you in all the strength roles, and this sex, which is much weaker than you
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and can reproduce, we should probably put them in the nurturing roles.
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But right now, you have the opportunity of a lifetime.
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All you'd have to do is point out how you would organize society absent that.
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I just think we're way beyond the necessity to have a structure that consists of what
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Do you think that women are going to go get a hard hat and start logging, or what?
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I don't see the reason in limiting their existence to just reproducing.
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You're not, they're not limited right now, and they don't do any of those fucking jobs.
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They don't log, they're not linemen, they're not inside of the electrical fields, they're
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not inside of the trades, they don't do any of that shit.
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They get degrees in nursing, and in psychology, and they work in fucking office jobs, and they
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work as servers, and they do the same top 10 jobs that they've done for the last 100 years.
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Because we exist in the roles that you're suggesting is the best.
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Because those are the roles that you're capable of doing, and that's why women select for
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Why do you think women don't select to be plumbers?
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Why do you think they don't select to be loggers, even though they can?
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Why do you think they don't select to be linemen?
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Why do you think they don't select for jobs which fucking kill you?
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Which is why you see the rate of death from women in the workforce is basically 0%, and
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Because of all the reasons you've suggested here.
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And I'm just saying, as a counter-argument, that I think that's limiting.
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I think a lot of women would find success in male-dominant roles.
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I'm sorry that you're limited by your own existence.
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You should go, and you should complain to God that he limited your existence to how you
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But the truth of the matter is, is that you couldn't organize society any other way.
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I just gave you the force so you could demonstrate it.
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I asked you why it is that women, when they have free choice, still don't choose any of
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You couldn't explain that either, except to say it's because those are the ones that they
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I'm saying we have opportunity now to not have to force women to just reproduce or limit-
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Societal roles were set up where it was conducive.
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It's like, and you know what else is so funny about this?
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I don't have to work and have to stay in this fucking nice house all day and take care of
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They didn't have to join the fire brigade in order to vote.
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They didn't have to be subject to poll voting laws like men did.
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When I look at the historical standard for feminism, I think to myself, you had it made
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Like, if you took the same amount of men and you organized it so you could stay at fucking
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home all day and incur no debt, basically get whatever the fuck you wanted, and be subject
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to limited amounts of lawfare against you, they'd be like, yeah, I'm taking that fucking
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We do have some more, so why don't we, let's see if there's any, I'm going to let the chat
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We have others below the threshold that we're going to batch up.
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I'll just let this one thing, one thing, and then go ahead.
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There are definitely many of you that shouldn't reproduce.
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Chair one and two, please do not pass on that intelligence, or lack thereof.
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I did want to give her an opportunity if she wanted to cross-examine my worldview.
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That's like, I'll just answer your questions without asking you any.
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I am curious what you think of women who pursue work in male dominant roles, and vice
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I think that those women have always existed in a minority, but I think that tailoring society
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in order to try to be super accommodating to a very, very small subset of society at
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the expense of the greater society is a really bad idea.
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Moving on in your notes, you also wrote to me, some opinions don't deserve a debate because
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it legitimizes the other side, which isn't based in any fact.
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Can you give me some examples of opinions that I suppose I or Andrew have that doesn't
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I recently saw a clip of Andrew debating whether rape is, oh, great.
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And I don't know if this was out of context or not, but I'm just-
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So I'm going to tell you guys, I'm going to tell all of you, because I haven't had an
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opportunity yet, because I just got home to counter clip and destroy Oliver for his lying.
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And so he actually apologized on this podcast because he tried to infer that other people
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who were on the podcast were PDFs, even though they clearly weren't.
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He had to apologize for it when he was called out on it.
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The reason that Oliver clips these things to make it look like everybody else is promoting
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SA or various things like this, which, by the way, totally disingenuous.
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That entire argument was based around grouping people as monoliths or not, and why you shouldn't
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But he clipped it and cut it as though I was trying to promote that SA was okay.
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Oliver has been involved in multiple scandals where he, when he was younger, was flashing
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And so what he's done as part of his rebrand is be super ultra super feminist and pretend
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as part of his rebrand that that never happened.
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And that's why he tries to label his opposition this way.
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By the way, it's very common for leftists to do this.
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They are usually guilty of that which they accuse you of.
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I think I showed it to you originally when you were still in studio.
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There was, I think that's all over the internet.
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But yeah, Oliver was basically run off of the internet for, without the woman's permission,
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And so that's why if you look at all of his content, he always is trying to promote that
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he's like super ultra feminist as part of the shame ritual that leftists must go through
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in order to be accepted by their side for forgiveness or whatever it is.
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But that is why he tries to clip his opposition as though he's trying to defeat that idea,
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even though that idea never came up to begin with.
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And Andrew, how would you just quickly, I guess, respond to, it's pretty clear to me that
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you were not advocating that essay is good, but that's the way people are the opposite.
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What I was saying is what Oliver did is anytime I would make an argument, which would have
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a large group of people, he'd say some people, but some people blah.
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And I said, look, you wouldn't use that argument in reverse.
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If I were to say it, could there be one woman on planet earth who enjoyed her own essay?
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Then if I said, some people enjoy essay, would you accept that as an argument?
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Saying you can't group people monolithically that way.
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And then look to the outliers in order to make your argument.
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So that sounded like I was saying, oh, essay's fine.
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But that's the fundamental dishonest nature of progressive scumbags.
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And Andrew, let me ask you this question and tell me if this is essentially what he did.
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And what Oliver did is he started the clip where Jazz would have said, black people are bad.
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Because he left out the critical context before where I was explaining to him, why do you keep saying, but some people?
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If I used the same argument, right, to say, like, could some people enjoy their own essay, right?
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You'd have to concede that logically that's at least possible.
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And so he was like, the second that clicked with him, that he would actually have to logically say that that's possible.
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He was trying to viscerally change the dynamic for me just trying to explain that's not how you logically debate.
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into me trying to actually advocate for this fucking crazy thing.
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I'm just pointing out the obvious that from your worldview, right, you can't just say some people X and that's an argument.
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I do actually, really quick, I just want to give a shout out because Myron looks like he finished his stream and he sent us a raid or a host.
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So I want to thank Myron Gaines from Fresh and Fit.
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So moving on to the next thing here, and mind you, though, so you brought that up, that exchange with Oliver, although you sent me this prior to your, so your statement, again, is some opinions don't deserve a, excuse me, debate because it legitimizes the other side.
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But you sent that to me before Andrew even had that debate with Oliver.
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Can you give me examples of opinions that I've stated or whatever that doesn't deserve a debate?
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Yeah, I don't necessarily know exactly what I was referring to, but I will say that I think the idea that women are just meant for reproduction is something that I don't agree with.
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So I feel like we couldn't have a decent debate when we fundamentally disagree.
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And again, it legitimizes your idea or your take that that is all women's.
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Do you think a debate is we agree on the topic and then shake hands and go, oh, yeah, we agree?
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If we can't agree on, like, very baseline fundamental ideas, then I feel like it's very hard to get anywhere.
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Well, I think after this, neither of us are going to have a different opinion.
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It's not for you or I to have different opinions for the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands.
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Yes, and that's why I'm here, and that's why inevitably I decided to come up.
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But the thing is, like, that's what a debate is.
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I think that debating practically anything is, generally speaking, a fairly good idea for the health and welfare of society.
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And I think it's due to the fact that we've had people who try to oppress certain views.
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I think that if you didn't contain those views, leftists did this, progressives did this all over YouTube, they did it all over every platform like X when it was Twitter, we don't agree with your views, you're kicked the fuck out.
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Well, what those people do is they band together, and they create brand new platforms, and they propagate the view completely unopposed.
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Basically, most of the cringe-ass views that you probably hate, you're probably the most responsible for by refusing to actually confront them.
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Weren't the restrictions on Twitter originally hate speech, not necessarily restriction of free speech?
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Yeah, but the problem is, is, like, if I say I don't believe that a man could be a woman, they consider that hate speech.
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However, that was the prominent idea of the time.
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The prominent idea for most people was that that was true.
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They still considered it hate, yeah, and they still considered that to be hate speech and removed you, even though that was the prominent idea.
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Hate speech, there is no such thing as hate speech.
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The idea here that you get to arbitrarily define what is hateful and what is not hateful, even when we're talking about.
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Yeah, I'm almost done, and then I'll turn it over.
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I know I've been monologuing a bit, and you guys want to get involved, and I'm totally fine with that.
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I'm just saying, from your view, right, when you get to define what that is, like, let's just imagine for a second that, like, Twitter was run by, like, a white nationalist.
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And he was like, well, any time a black person says anything negative about white people, that's hate speech, right?
04:23:42.860
So, but the idea is, for some reason, leftists thought that they could contain the right by just deplatforming them, and the opposite happened.
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What happened is that they just went unopposed.
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I've seen leftists wipe the floor with right-wingers and vice versa, and it's like, some of those views change people's minds.
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And what's happened instead is, like, dumbass leftists are like, no, we're just not going to give you a platform.
04:24:17.160
So, to get back to it, you said some opinions don't deserve a debate, which aren't based in fact.
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Can you just, like, quickly rapid-fire list out which claims have I made that are not based in fact, that aren't worthy of debate, and shouldn't be legitimized?
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Yeah, it was, I just referenced this, but his idea that women's value is only in the fact that they can reproduce, I just don't agree.
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I know I'm giving you a headache, I'm just saying.
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Like, why do you people do this to me constantly?
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Did I actually say that women's only value is in reproduction, or did you just make that shit up?
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That's what I thought you said, if you wanted to read.
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Yeah, right, you only heard what you wanted to hear.
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Does that mean that they don't have other things that are valuable?
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You asked me to suggest any other value, anything, because...
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No, no, no, anything that was of higher value than that.
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It's like, do you think that I just think that women are only valuable for the purposes of reproduction,
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or do you think that I can still hold that that could be the most valuable thing a woman can do,
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and still hold that they have many other values as well?
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So why did you instantly take the most negative connotation?
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Andrew only believes women's value is that they can reproduce.
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Because when you want to structure a society based on the fact that women reproduce, and
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to exasperate reproduction, then I feel like that fundamentally means that you think that
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I would also like to structure a society where some of the strongest men are firefighters.
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Does that mean I think men's only use is fighting fires?
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Well, yes, but just because Andrew has limited time.
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She'll smoke me, but I would say, where is she?
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Andrew, I think, you know, you got to have a little bit of some hard feelings towards Jungle
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here because he is the architect of the, uh, the pickled, the, oh, no, I shouldn't.
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If God wanted me to always take the W, right, then how could he keep me humble?
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Sometimes you got to, sometimes you got to take an L.
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I've taken an L from an olive jar, but I've never taken a fucking L from a feminist.
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I ain't never taken no fucking L from a feminist, and I ain't never gonna take an L from a fucking
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I, you know, there's so much misinformation about this, this clip.
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Andrew, there was a moment where I, I touched the top.
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The top, the top of it, it could have been from the store, but it also could have been
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because the chick was wearing hand lotion, but I don't know if she was.
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Like, basically, Brian, Brian couldn't get a grip of you.
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He had a damp paper towel because that assisted.
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We have a bottle of Cristal for one Ethereum, if somebody wants to.
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I feel like the feminine level has dropped drastically through this whole episode.
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We started in 90, and I feel like we're at like 69 right now.
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Because I used to be young and cute and be a little democratic, too.
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I wasn't here at the beginning, so I didn't catch all your names.
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So if I call you by your clothing, it's not because I'm misogynist.
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It's because I just didn't catch your names from the people.
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We have more rights now than any woman has ever had in, like, time.
04:31:11.140
I hear her, and I understand where she's coming from.
04:31:18.400
I love to work, but I also love being a stay-at-home mom.
04:31:33.100
Andrew, I wish you were here to take a shot with us.
04:31:43.180
No, no, Andrew, I actually, I wish you were here so I can, like, you know-
04:31:58.100
You think that socially drinking is degenerate.
04:32:01.620
I just said that I think your perception of it is a little skewed, and you like to-
04:32:08.180
It's kind of like my, so my sister is very religious, so-
04:32:16.080
I just will find, like, fallacies in, like, her beliefs.
04:32:20.500
That's like when a chick's a medical expert because she's fucking a doctor.
04:32:27.560
I watch the internet, and I notice that you indulge in alcohol, and then you, like, will
04:32:43.140
I just said if you're indulging in overindulgence of drinking, like, more than one drink, then
04:32:52.760
But if you're having one or two drinks, that's not drunkenness.
04:33:03.080
Your 20-year-old husband who married you when you were 17 has also drank with you.
04:33:12.940
You have been groomed, and I feel like you don't even realize it.
04:33:30.580
I got married at 18, and she thinks I was groomed.
04:33:32.600
Andrew, I know that you're all for age gaps, but she-
04:33:48.620
You know she got married when she was 17 to a 20-year-old.
04:33:52.220
I said, the nice girl in the back from the entire crucible, congratulations.
04:33:57.700
Congratulations on getting married while you were a teenager to an adult.
04:34:10.300
I think you've been very privileged, and you don't understand other individuals.
04:34:22.920
Well, so when we had our discussion earlier, you were talking about abortion.
04:34:35.720
Sure, that's a privilege, but you're going to throw around the word privilege as in-
04:34:40.160
I'm the way I am because I had a two-parent household?
04:34:42.620
You haven't experienced a lot of other life, and like, babe, you got married at 17 to a
04:34:50.420
I got married at 18, so let's not throw rumors around.
04:34:59.440
What would me, you know, experiencing life, would that be me being single until I'm 30,
04:35:04.980
hooking up with a bunch of guys, getting on drugs, going to rehab, sleeping around?
04:35:09.820
That would be life experience for you, and that would-
04:35:11.920
I wouldn't call that life experience, but you were, you had a predisposition towards me
04:35:18.000
because of what you have not experienced, basically.
04:35:22.940
You were basically saying that, like, abortion was wrong because you were from a type of
04:35:27.420
household that you're like, oh, you should keep the baby type of thing because you've
04:35:34.420
I said that when you have sex, there is a chance that you will get pregnant, and nobody
04:35:38.360
wants to take responsibility for their actions.
04:35:39.160
No, you said that they should keep the baby even if they're from, like, broken households.
04:35:44.340
But you were from a two-party household, so how would you know?
04:35:46.400
That has nothing to do with if abortion is wrong or not.
04:35:48.660
Nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions.
04:35:50.600
My argument was that people who have come from households that are broken, they can't
04:36:03.780
And then you're calling me drunk, which is so, like, it's such a low blow because, like,
04:36:23.900
All right, really quick before you guys continue your bickering and arguing, we need to do
04:36:44.460
To the girl in the back in the center who was talking, I had a couple of questions.
04:36:59.360
We got eloped three days after getting engaged.
04:37:02.580
We haven't done a honeymoon yet just because we're saving up for that later in the future.
04:37:06.040
Our priority is having kids and buying a house.
04:37:18.440
I don't think that there's really any reason to date her.
04:37:21.140
Well, I want to show this chick what privilege actually looks like.
04:37:24.300
So the cruise pool is going to send you $3,000 so that you and your husband can go on a honeymoon.
04:37:35.200
Her only crime was that she's happily married and you can't fucking stand it.
04:37:43.380
You weren't here from the first portion of the argument.
04:37:52.640
Wasn't your wife formerly married like twice before you and had kids before you?
04:37:59.360
So how are you going to come at me and say I'm jealous of her when your wife has been
04:38:07.660
Your wife is not a virgin and you're so religious and holy and you're coming at me, baby.
04:38:11.900
Your wife has been with multiple men before you.
04:38:25.860
You can see why the nice lady goes out on her nice honeymoon.
04:38:32.640
I just think that, you know, she, we have different.
04:38:35.900
And she's going to make lots of beautiful babies and not kill them, unlike you.
04:39:02.740
I'm just, I'm asking this, like, just respectfully, because I'm curious.
04:39:06.280
If you got pregnant right now, accidentally, would you get an abortion?
04:39:16.500
I only sleep with wealthy men, so I'd probably keep it.
04:39:45.740
Her husband, her poor husband, who's not even here to defend himself, fucking groomed her.
04:39:53.700
It's psychopathic to think that a teenager should.
04:39:59.140
That's why she, that's why she fucking has one.
04:40:02.160
That's why she has one, because she's here defending him.
04:40:14.020
Are we going to get a Rachel cameo, by the way?
04:40:22.980
Here, let's get back to the, let's try to get through it.
04:40:34.940
We need to get through all the notes here, Jazz.
04:40:43.100
You spew misogynistic, pseudo-intellectual, red-pilled bro ideas and care about stressing
04:40:49.240
traditional gender roles when gender is extremely complex, and anyone in academia understands
04:41:01.660
Now, before I have Andrew jump in, a few clarifying questions.
04:41:05.620
Misogynistic, pseudo-intellectual, red-pilled bro ideas.
04:41:20.960
I think it's, if you think that women have a certain role in society, and if they don't
04:41:31.560
fit that role, then they're deemed inadequate as a woman, then I think that's misogynistic.
04:41:38.880
Before I respond to that, actually, I'll respond to that, then I'll get other examples of the
04:41:46.800
Didn't earlier you raise your hand seven times when I asked you, should men do X?
04:41:52.780
And they were all related to male traditional gender roles.
04:41:55.580
So, by your own logic, then you would be a misandrist.
04:42:02.500
If I say I want them to walk on, I respect when they walk on that side of the sidewalk to
04:42:16.720
You might not hate men, but you have a misandrist view towards men.
04:42:22.940
So, you have a misandrist view towards men, and I'll explain it as follows.
04:42:27.520
You think men are disposable because you think, hmm, a man can protect me from an oncoming
04:42:33.500
He's disposable because he should die on my behalf.
04:42:35.860
No, personally, I just think it's like a respect thing and that they value me and care if they're
04:42:43.860
willing to put themselves in a position like that.
04:42:48.080
My world would be shattered if my person, if that accident happened with them, they're
04:42:55.340
But you're saying men should sacrifice themselves for women or for you.
04:42:58.900
No, I'm just saying I think it's a good characteristic for someone to be like, I'll step on this side
04:43:05.260
So, what's stopping me from saying I think it's a good characteristic for women to adhere
04:43:11.380
You seem to say that that points to misogyny, so then surely it must point to you being a
04:43:19.280
Okay, so we're just going to call each other misandrist and misogynist, or are we going to
04:43:22.540
actually back up these assertions with actual evidence for the claims?
04:43:27.000
The way that you talk to women on this podcast, I think it's disrespectful.
04:43:31.400
Calling someone like a prostitute in a derogatory way.
04:43:37.500
You've got to admit it's pretty misogynist to pay for a young couple's honeymoon.
04:43:48.640
It doesn't mean that everything you do has to be in the vein of hating women.
04:43:53.120
But if I hated women, why would I assist women?
04:44:00.340
Again, she's a woman that agrees with your idea.
04:44:03.920
So if it also benefits a man, then that means...
04:44:06.240
No, but she's also a woman that agrees with your ideology.
04:44:20.040
If you're a stripper, that doesn't mean you're a fucking sex worker.
04:44:23.240
...this woman for the crime of being happily fucking married because you're nutcases.
04:44:41.240
And that her marriage was invalid because of her.
04:44:47.060
That means to the audience, you shouldn't take anything that is said here with this marriage
04:44:53.240
It was the worst, most scumbag, horrid thing to do to a young couple because you fucking
04:44:58.320
people are so antinatalist, you can't stand to see a woman happy.
04:45:04.680
She's going to go on a honeymoon and have 50 fucking...
04:45:07.240
I hope she has a great honeymoon with the man that she...
04:45:09.760
You've got to go have 50 kids while you're riding the cock carousel.
04:45:33.600
Can you provide actual examples of misogynistic statements that I've made?
04:45:44.940
And what I've witnessed today where you say you prostitute, you sex worker.
04:45:58.980
Again, though, just to be clear, you sent this before Andrew said that tonight.
04:46:08.520
What have I or Andrew said previously when you originally sent this that was misogynistic?
04:46:15.220
Every clip I've seen and other people's perception.
04:46:20.680
What specifically in the clips was or were misogynistic?
04:46:26.260
How you speak to women and talk down upon them.
04:46:29.460
Because of their life choices, like with so much judgment.
04:46:40.980
Well, it doesn't have to be verbatim, but it could be sort of capturing the essence of
04:46:48.960
Saying that they don't have like decent morals or values because they participate in that
04:46:55.040
sort of occupation is the consensus that I have come to.
04:46:58.920
I don't think I've ever actually said that or something approaching that.
04:47:07.660
Yeah, but how would this, being engaged in sex work, men can engage in sex work, how
04:47:12.800
Yes, but you demonize women way more for doing it.
04:47:14.800
You have a podcast where you have eight women come on who usually have an occupation in sex
04:47:29.660
15% of all the guests we've had, and we've had over 2,000 guests, only 15% of them have
04:47:38.040
Yeah, maybe we can demonstrate it just in an easy way.
04:47:40.760
Raise your hand at the table if you're involved in sex work.
04:47:47.940
Chair one, do you judge women that have participated?
04:47:55.400
I've judged women that participate in sex work.
04:47:58.180
Not only give a fuck, she does not give a fuck.
04:48:06.880
Yeah, no, I don't judge women who participate in sex work at all.
04:48:12.320
Even if I grant to you that I've made judgments about women who do sex work, how would that
04:48:18.720
Couldn't I just have criticisms of sex work specifically?
04:48:24.180
Like, aren't you against, like, sex work and OnlyFans?
04:48:27.040
I think that it's a false sense of free will that women participate in.
04:48:33.360
Earlier in the conversation, and I also think in the essay you wrote, you said that women
04:48:44.300
So by your own admission, you must, I assume, you're against sex work to some degree.
04:48:49.480
I think it's very dangerous for society, and I think it's kind of a facade of women empowerment.
04:48:55.480
I think, if anything, it's reaffirming our role in society as just sexual beings.
04:49:05.420
No, I don't disrespect women who are in that occupation.
04:49:08.400
I don't speak down to them on being in those roles.
04:49:11.280
I don't like the structure that exists that says women should go into those occupations
04:49:18.980
But at the same time, I'm not demonizing anyone who's participating in it.
04:49:21.860
You're going to need to be specific about what I've said that has been specifically misogynistic
04:49:27.080
as it relates to women who come on the show who do sex work.
04:49:29.820
Yeah, I don't have anything verbatim or a quote.
04:49:34.900
I think the public perception is that you are disrespectful to women and that you do engage
04:49:40.060
Okay, well, the public perception of you is that you're a man-hating misandrist...
04:49:43.740
...and you think men are disposable, and you're kind of a hypocrite as it relates to traditional
04:49:47.980
And I denounce that, and then you denounce that you're misogynist, so I guess that's fine.
04:49:56.160
I agree with you that some of the things which I say or Brian says can be perceived as being
04:50:01.560
misogynist towards certain women, but misogyny, definitionally, is a hatred of all women
04:50:08.060
or some type of oppressive mentality towards all women.
04:50:13.940
So, the thing is, is like, you can't possibly believe that because some women are fucking
04:50:19.040
nasty bastards to us, and so we're nasty bastards back to them, that that means we're
04:50:25.140
misogynistic, meaning that we have some sort of ill intention towards all women.
04:50:43.180
I mean, I would just say, if you're not able to provide, like...
04:50:58.300
So, look, I'm not asking you to quote something verbatim, like if you...
04:51:04.740
Well, I've given you the best answer I can give you.
04:51:06.280
If you give me the essence of what I've said, but you really haven't, and so essentially
04:51:10.160
that which is asserted without evidence, I'm going to go ahead and dismiss without evidence.
04:51:16.500
Just one example of something I've said that's misogynistic.
04:51:20.880
I think the ideology that you guys hold that our gender structure should consist of women's
04:51:29.200
main value being reproduction and men doing these things are very limiting, and I think
04:51:33.620
that is dangerous to both genders, and I think a lot of the times it comes off as misogynist.
04:51:39.900
Do you think in society men or women are more limited in the roles that they can have when
04:51:48.960
What do you mean when it comes to romantic partners?
04:51:58.060
Some women pull off both, although it's quite difficult, and I think Andrew would argue that
04:52:01.860
it's suboptimal for a woman to be working and having children at the same time.
04:52:10.960
They can find a guy who's okay with that dynamic.
04:52:13.600
However, I would say most men don't have similar options.
04:52:17.060
So I would say very, very few women would be okay being the sole breadwinner and being
04:52:23.220
okay with that relationship dynamic, even if they're feminists like you, even if they're
04:52:28.860
By your own admission, despite your political leanings being very progressive, being very liberal,
04:52:35.500
very leftist or feminist, it sounds like you want, at least on the male side of things,
04:52:42.920
you want him to be falling pretty traditional when it comes to what he's bringing to the table.
04:52:48.340
But I want him to also not make me a homemaker, not to think that I'm, you know what I mean?
04:52:54.860
I want a partner, and these are the characters, so I want a partner.
04:52:57.300
But I would say that if you want, you can find a guy who's going to do 50-50 with you.
04:53:01.940
You could also probably find a guy who's well off or he makes good money, and if you had
04:53:07.860
a conversation with him, you could say, hey, I want to just stay at home, take care of the
04:53:19.140
Really don't have, like, the majority of men who could get away with saying, yeah, you
04:53:27.360
know, I have a job right now, but maybe a year into dating or a year into marriage, I
04:53:32.760
just want to stop working, and I just want to be a stay-at-home dad.
04:53:39.540
I'm not going to say no women would be okay with it, but I think it's a very, very, very
04:53:43.300
small minority of women, even liberal progressive feminist women who are not going to be okay
04:53:47.980
with that sort of arrangement, whereas there are certain economic realities where, look,
04:53:53.140
even if a man is traditional, maybe he's not making enough money.
04:53:57.600
So the economic reality is even if he is traditional, his wife might have to work, but he's going
04:54:04.200
to be open to it if he does make enough money that he's going to be able to say, hey, you
04:54:13.840
So this idea that women don't have choice is ridiculous.
04:54:20.460
I mean, I know all of a sudden the conservative women have to stay at home, and that's what
04:54:29.660
I suppose there could be a conservative woman that, well, most conservative women wouldn't
04:54:41.220
You know, I think you're a Republican, but I don't think you're conservative.
04:54:55.080
And this is how, you know, and I just had my kid at 37, man.
04:55:04.200
She's everything that I didn't have when I was a kid.
04:55:08.200
And I used to have my little hair like Madonna.
04:55:11.060
And in fact, my mother used to get called to the school like three times a week because
04:56:01.100
Once, Chair 2 suggested that Chair 5 was groomed.
04:56:05.580
That statement implies that she was not an adult and was taken advantage of, even though
04:56:21.680
The woman who's sitting there was groomed by her own husband, who she...
04:56:32.900
I think you're grooming all the rich guys you fuck for their money.
04:56:37.580
I think that you're grooming all the rich guys you fuck for their money.
04:56:44.540
Isn't it the case that you only are having sex and dating rich guys because you want
04:57:01.820
No, men who ask me on a date happen to be rich.
04:57:16.440
I was very unlucky in other aspects, but I happened to hit the prime fucking lottery in
04:57:23.280
Like, I had a very tumultuous childhood, but therefore...
04:57:26.600
Not a single guy who's not rich who you're attracted to has ever asked you out.
04:58:00.740
If I was groomed, do you think I'd be sitting here right now on the internet, live, in
04:58:09.080
Do you think somebody who groomed me would let me fly out here and do a podcast?
04:58:21.380
I don't really keep up with degenerate stuff like that.
04:58:28.420
I don't know if we can compare my situation to Bad Baby.
04:58:30.800
I'm not comparing, but you're asking for like...
04:58:36.140
It's not like a distinct comparison, but it's like you guys are similar in age somewhat,
04:58:49.060
How is it that they're similar in age, but she was still groomed?
04:59:12.420
There was recently a report that Santa Barbara is the least affordable.
04:59:19.940
In the entire United States, Santa Barbara here is the...
04:59:24.720
That's why Brian's asked me to move out several times, and I've thought about it.
04:59:31.200
I'm not going to have 15-year-olds run around now.
04:59:33.900
If I moved out to Santa Barbara, I could buy for $2 million a two-bedroom house.
05:00:09.280
Okay, so going back to this, again, I'd like to ask for an example of something that...
05:00:32.700
Just everything we've talked about, and in fact, everything we're about to talk about,
05:00:37.020
I identify as the correct person on all issues, past, present, and future, related to this
05:00:45.420
I want you to affirm my identity as the correct person about all that.
05:00:50.960
I don't want to be rude, Brian, so I'm going to start by affirming your identity immediately.
05:01:05.420
No, we can't call you whatever, because that would be hard.
05:01:28.500
Yeah, so my pronouns are, uh, his royal majesty or your royal majesty.
05:01:35.080
But every time you address me, I need you to say, uh, your royal majesty.
05:01:39.960
And you need to do a British voice, too, so go ahead.
05:01:48.240
And you, you shouldn't, you need to avert your eyes, because it's rude to.
05:01:55.200
You shouldn't look down when you're talking to me.
05:02:03.140
No, it's just like as a royal, like I, I identify.
05:02:14.380
So I need, but you haven't been addressing me, so repeat after me.
05:02:32.760
Oh, by the way, we have, would you be willing for another champagne pop to wear a MAGA hat
05:03:15.280
Because that's separate from the misogynistic accusations.
05:03:17.980
You say me and Andrew are pseudo-intellectual, or I guess our ideas are pseudo-intellectual.
05:03:40.380
I just feel like it's all a workaround to make, like, belittle women.
05:03:49.240
Yeah, but what are the ideas that are doing that?
05:03:51.640
That women are meant to just reproduce and to exist as a certain, like, sexual...
05:04:03.000
But I watched a whole discussion your wife made last night about how women need to reproduce.
05:04:07.800
And that's, like, basically their ultimate purpose.
05:04:14.480
Does that mean that their only purpose or value is reproduction?
05:04:17.440
Well, she went on this whole discussion about how women shouldn't pursue their dreams because
05:04:21.840
it's gonna contribute to population defamation, basically.
05:04:32.520
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.
05:04:34.180
Oh, yeah, you don't know what I'm talking about.
05:04:40.160
She said that women pursuing their dreams is, like, concluding to population...
05:04:45.560
Basically, it's what his argument was earlier, though.
05:05:06.500
And your wife won this whole, like, monologue about how, basically, women are contributing
05:05:19.020
If Rachel came on and said the exact same thing as Andrew, we'd probably all agree with
05:05:44.080
I'm not saying one is higher than the other because of tone.
05:05:54.640
Why I only say that because it's actually true.
05:06:10.860
you think the pod would do better with a different demographic of women
05:06:15.540
You pick only fans and internet women who probably aren't well-versed in debating
05:06:18.800
or have a nuanced understanding of gender roles.
05:06:24.080
I think the pod would do better and bigger if you had real conversations,
05:06:28.420
At a certain point, you stopped caring about listening to others' opinions and experiences
05:06:31.640
and conceptualizing that into new thought and deciding how you think now is the end-all,
05:06:36.600
You should be open and willing to learn every day, no matter your age.
05:06:43.680
And, I mean, really quick, just on, I already kind of addressed the OnlyFans thing,
05:06:49.600
It kind of bothers me a lot because I get straw-manned with this, with the,
05:06:53.860
you only bring on, like, room temperature, IQ, OnlyFans, streetwalker, illiterate.
05:07:06.480
I have a huge diversity of guests who come on the show.
05:07:11.040
15% of guests we've had on the show, like I said, do OnlyFans.
05:07:14.760
So that means, on average, one or two of the panelists have OnlyFans.
05:07:18.380
Sometimes more on the panel do, and sometimes we have no OnlyFans girls on the panel.
05:07:22.960
And then also, at least from my perspective, I'm a community college dropout.
05:07:29.320
I'm not exactly, like, an intellectual or academic titan.
05:07:41.840
and half the time I forget what I'm about to say midway through the fucking sentence.
05:07:47.400
So, like, this idea that these match-ups aren't, are unfair,
05:07:54.040
and I actually frequently have women on who are more educated than me.
05:07:57.760
Like you, for example, you have a, you have two bachelor, or one bachelor's degree?
05:08:06.600
We've had other women on who have bachelor's degrees,
05:08:09.180
master's degrees, PhDs, professors, lawyers, doctors, nurses, etc.
05:08:17.140
Women who are, I suppose, on paper, more smart or more educated than I am,
05:08:23.760
it doesn't mean that they don't hold retarded beliefs.
05:08:28.140
and I think me and Andrew both agreed that we are coming on here arguing our points
05:08:33.220
and that we are not going to change our ideas, but it's just the audience.
05:08:43.780
Based on good, solid, foundational argumentation,
05:08:53.140
and had to reevaluate why it is I believed some of the stupid shit I previously believed.
05:09:02.580
They're good for helping us adjust our worldviews as well.
05:09:11.840
I take every opportunity I can to learn from the opposition.
05:09:24.520
We are within the confines of our duties, or we face consequences.
05:09:28.380
Women are conditioned through feminism to reject their duty to reproduce
05:09:36.300
We have Pasty George coming in here in just a moment.
05:09:39.080
Guys, I know there's quite a few that have been batched up,
05:09:43.620
But I do see you guys, and just give me a moment to get to that moment
05:09:54.880
Shares one and two represent many feminist women
05:09:57.680
who are voting both Canada and America down the drain and into collapse,
05:10:01.920
which is less than two decades away because of the birth rate crisis.
05:10:18.300
If I licked my finger and stuck it in a light socket, I would be less shocked.
05:10:34.000
Jazz, you continue by saying your ideology isn't as common as you think
05:10:37.440
and totally frowned upon as society progresses.
05:10:50.840
It's just exclusive of a lot of gender identities,
05:10:53.360
and I think that that's obviously anti-progressive.
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I don't know if there's, like, a specific number.
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I'm going to say, like, I think it's a crazy-ish number,
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but I say I'm probably aware of, like, five or six.
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How your ideology and perpetuation of the gender binary is ruining society.
05:11:48.520
I feel like we've talked in circles this entire time.
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where you think that the best form of society is the structure that you guys perpetuate,
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And I just think it's very limiting to the human experience.
05:12:03.880
I think women, I mean, again, I'm repeating myself for the hundredth time.
05:12:10.280
Well, I just, I guess I kind of laugh or scoff a little bit,
05:12:13.120
because you say there, the, can you just repeat that last part you said there,
05:12:17.220
how it's very limiting to the, what did you say?
05:12:21.800
But you yourself place limits on your, on the individual level,
05:12:25.480
on your own romantic partners that adhere to traditional gender roles.
05:12:28.820
Why don't you be the change you want to see in the world?
05:12:38.620
Yeah, and in many other aspects, I do allow men the space to exist,
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not as a manly, like, put on the front, like, type of deal.
05:12:48.800
But I just think it's a nice characteristic personally.
05:12:50.880
And I don't think, I think it's dangerous to perpetuate the idea
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Just personally, I think it's nice when a man's like,
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You can't get rid of that patriarchy if you're doing this.
05:13:12.240
and allowing us to shut up for the wackos to get back in our,
05:13:21.640
No, what it is is Democrats going into oligarchy.
05:13:40.300
And, oh yeah, Hillary Clinton say, oh yes, us women.
05:13:49.240
Oh, I guess you liberals are matriarchs of oligarchy.
05:13:58.920
Did any of your medication say not to mix with alcohol?
05:14:47.100
Can I point out that I bought this piece of shit lighter in California?
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It's the stupidest looking fucking lighter ever.
05:15:21.020
Anything else is just mental illness and more delusion.
05:15:23.840
Men have zychromosomes while women have 20 chromosomes.
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He's saying that when it comes to chromosomes, women, what he classifies as women as XX, and for men, it's XY.
05:15:59.940
He's saying that there's only two phenotypical pathways which you can develop reproductively.
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And your chromosomes are going to indicate that even if there is XXY.
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I'm obviously going to clarify his fucking view.
05:16:36.660
You also wrote, you're outdated, and it's a dangerous, uneducated position.
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I think it's outdated because it's, like, obviously, it's very exclusive of other gender identities.
05:16:48.340
I don't know how many more times I can repeat myself, but I feel like...
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Okay, you're talking about, like, the gender pronoun stuff?
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But you have really outdated views when it comes to your own romantic...
05:17:06.260
I think you saying that the structure should be this way is dangerous.
05:17:09.900
Not me and my own personal relationship thinking that, like, a certain characteristic someone has
05:17:14.400
that happens to align with the role of men in society.
05:17:19.240
Yeah, but if liberal, progressive, feminist women on their individual...
05:17:24.480
On the individual and collective level, they say, well, it would be great if men didn't
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have to adhere to their traditional gender roles, but if all of them, or a vast majority
05:17:33.100
of them, won't enable men through their own individual changing of their own individual
05:17:38.840
preferences, then de facto, even though it sounds nice for you guys to say, well, men should
05:17:44.140
be able to do this, but in application, in practice, in reality, you still hold men to
05:17:52.440
You're just blowing a bunch of smoke and it means nothing.
05:17:56.420
So I want to issue a call to action to you and a challenge to you.
05:17:59.940
I want you to dispense entirely with your completely sexist gender expectations of men.
05:18:07.100
You can no longer, from this point on, have any traditional gender expectations of men.
05:18:12.380
I want you to put your money where your mouth is.
05:18:14.440
If this is how you want society to be, where men should not have to adhere to traditional
05:18:19.800
gender roles, why don't you be the change you want to see in the world and dispense entirely
05:18:24.620
with your own traditional gender expectations of men?
05:18:28.820
Me doing that in my own personal life isn't going to dismantle the structure that exists.
05:18:34.900
But women uphold, if women shifted and they're like, you know what?
05:18:51.240
We don't want them to ever do any sort of chivalry.
05:18:56.220
Don't want them to initiate anything, no steps of initiation, asking for your number,
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asking for the first date, moving things forward, going for the first kiss, moving things forward
05:19:09.860
Again, I think that you guys think my take is that that shouldn't be it in any scenario.
05:19:15.700
I just think everyone can have their personal expectations of their partner and that we
05:19:20.140
shouldn't perpetuate ideas onto other people's relationship that wouldn't necessarily fit them.
05:19:24.740
I didn't hear her promote that kind of society, which does sound like it would suck pretty
05:19:31.740
I just wanted to circle back because you keep using the word dangerous and I feel like we
05:19:37.760
Why do you feel like pushing traditional views is dangerous?
05:19:43.440
If you want to have that in your own relationship, I think that's completely fine.
05:19:46.620
But I think if you're forcing that ideology on other people who don't feel like they fit
05:19:50.340
into that binary, it can be deadly and costly and really restrictive.
05:19:55.780
I don't think I, and again, I think in our society, we're actually forcing the opposite
05:20:00.220
Like we're telling women that their values in their career and their degree and their title
05:20:03.480
and we're telling men that, no, you, you can be sensitive.
05:20:09.080
So we're actually not pushing traditional values anymore.
05:20:11.740
And our society has gone so far downhill because we're not pushing those traditional values.
05:20:17.040
So the way I see it, if we were to push those traditional values, like Brian mentioned, like,
05:20:21.480
or no, sorry, like Andrew mentioned, like limiting women's rights a little bit so that for the,
05:20:27.940
Like I don't see, I would see our society getting better because right now it's going
05:20:33.240
downhill because we're not pushing those traditional values.
05:20:41.640
I just don't think if we lost a sense of traditional value on a grand scale, like if, if people decided
05:20:47.480
to exist outside of that binary, I don't think that there would be a crisis of reproduction.
05:21:07.020
I don't care what your professor is feeding you.
05:21:14.000
And we're not going to do this transgender stuff.
05:21:37.520
I am indigenous Cree or First Nations Cree of Turtle Island, which is now called North
05:21:55.780
Like, before a speech is given, you do a land acknowledgement.
05:22:08.500
We acknowledge here at the Whatever Podcast that we are in the traditional land of the Chumash
05:22:17.120
Uh, and the Chumash were the original stewards of this land, and the land was, we honor their
05:22:25.980
long history and stewardship of this land, and we pay our respects to their elders, past,
05:22:33.400
He's talking shit, and he mutes it, and then he thinks we can't see.
05:22:41.660
Pasty, I'll do a land, I should start doing a land acknowledgement.
05:22:56.900
Well, if you're asking ethnicity, he would be American and white, depending on which criteria
05:23:25.500
Do you speak any Eastern European language, or do you speak French?
05:23:48.820
My bad thought it was $100 to be read out loud, not $200.
05:23:54.400
We'll try to get to it, but there's a few other things before we've got to do some reads.
05:24:02.960
But we've got to wait until we do the batch reading.
05:24:13.680
Like, would you rather meet a bear or a man in the woods?
05:24:26.740
You got your bachelor's in political data analysis and minored in economics.
05:24:30.780
You're not going to argue if women's body count matter, LMAO, not legitimizing your position because it's a joke, the body count thing.
05:24:38.020
And then you said, sure, preference for dating is fine, but you bash women for having high body counts, point blank, not because all of a sudden they're undateable.
05:24:47.200
I actually, you know, if I actually almost give props to women if they reveal their body count, especially if it's high, because that takes courage.
05:24:57.120
I don't agree with their decisions, but I don't bash them.
05:25:02.040
Bitch, you're not going to be with those women with a high body count.
05:25:26.220
You don't want a woman with a higher body count or an equal body count to yours because it's correlated with infidelity.
05:25:34.140
Oh, you're talking about when we actually argued about it.
05:25:36.780
Yeah, that's where this conversation is from, right?
05:25:40.380
Well, I think that was your first thing that you went to when we were having the back and forth.
05:25:45.720
I also do think it is hypocritical to suggest that you're allowed to have as many partners as you want, but women should be monogamous and only have one partner.
05:25:59.420
Well, so I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
05:26:03.980
But I do think that there's a couple differences.
05:26:06.520
I do think men, I think if a woman doesn't want to date a guy who has a high body count or he's a player,
05:26:12.680
I think that's totally justified, no qualms whatsoever.
05:26:16.900
But I do think it is the case that women, generally speaking, seem to care less about it than men,
05:26:29.900
I think there's societal reasons, cultural reasons, but I think primarily it's biological reasons.
05:26:35.700
Men have a greater disgust response to promiscuity in women.
05:26:40.640
And then I would also just say in terms of the differential, in terms of why, again,
05:26:45.560
I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women, but I think the difference is that you might hear from other people
05:26:51.920
where if a male's promiscuous, it's kind of big upped by some men.
05:27:00.900
Well, I would argue that that's viewed differently because it's really, really easy for a woman to be a slut,
05:27:05.720
whereas it takes some degree or perhaps quite a bit of a degree of skill to be a slut as a man.
05:27:13.000
So as a woman, every single woman here, if you wanted to, you could probably even, it's 10.30 on a Sunday,
05:27:20.380
you could hop on Tinder tonight, get laid tonight.
05:27:31.400
Do you think it's biological for men to want to sleep with a woman?
05:27:37.560
What, you don't think you could get laid tonight?
05:27:44.820
If I wanted to fucking just sit there and, you know, yeah, some ugly asshole.
05:27:58.880
Do you think it's biological for men to want to sleep with more women than women to want
05:28:04.580
Yeah, I would say that there's, yeah, I mean, you can make an argument.
05:28:09.600
Do you think there's more social pressure because you get the big ups?
05:28:14.320
I'm getting a bunch of different questions here.
05:28:16.420
So, I mean, I think that there could be a different sexual strategy because men don't get pregnant.
05:28:22.680
So, they can, like, men can impregnate multiple women in a day.
05:28:28.380
Whereas women, you can only get pregnant for nine months at a time, right?
05:28:32.760
So, how is that biologically ingrained in your brain to want to sleep with more women?
05:28:37.980
Because men want to spread their seed and, like, narcissistic evolution.
05:28:44.040
I would say there is, like, an evolutionary or biological component of men wanting to spread their seed.
05:28:52.860
Yeah, no, I didn't ask if it's good for society.
05:29:00.080
Do you think that there's societies that believe otherwise?
05:29:07.300
Now we're getting away from biology and evolution.
05:29:14.660
Christian societies throughout all human history have valued chastity and monogamy in both men and women.
05:29:20.780
Both men and women were supposed to remain virgins until marriage.
05:29:27.460
No, I'm asking if you think it's biological and if you think that there's actually-
05:29:32.420
So, my argument is that it's social conditioning versus it's not biological.
05:29:43.440
It's frowned upon for them to have multiple partners, whereas like you were saying with men.
05:29:47.520
Yeah, so I think a lot of it is socially constructed too.
05:29:49.980
Yeah, I agree that there's a social construction.
05:29:54.660
But that's something that has to do with more than one other man.
05:29:56.000
There's societies in southwestern China that they allow-
05:30:00.280
You know, there's the biological and there's the societal-
05:30:07.640
There can be the biological argument that Brian stated.
05:30:17.400
When you're looking for a virgin, man, you're not going to have it-
05:30:24.120
I believe it's called the Muasa, something like that, yeah.
05:30:29.900
So they believe that the women can have open courtship where they can have multiple partners.
05:30:39.440
Are you saying, oh my God, this is like actually factual.
05:30:46.320
And then there's also a society in Papua New Guinea.
05:30:59.460
Like we just look at America like, oh no, like these certain-
05:31:09.840
Oh, in first to industrialize, most of the inventions created are from Western countries.
05:31:23.220
Like it's so much more like advanced, like here.
05:31:29.540
Name an Asian nation which is super advanced that was not significantly influenced by the West for those advancements.
05:31:39.540
Like there is nothing comparable to like, we are living like in the 50s compared to like-
05:31:48.020
Yeah, you said name a society that's not influenced by Western civilization advancement.
05:32:00.480
Well, if you studied me, here's the thing that's interesting.
05:32:04.220
Studying a debater and studying his rhetoric doesn't actually give you any defense from it.
05:32:14.700
I asked you, which Asian nation can you name that has all this advanced technology-
05:32:20.580
Which was not, stop, which was not heavily influenced by the West for these technological marvels.
05:32:31.020
China is literally the entire industrial base and all of technology which exists in China
05:32:37.400
was ripped off from the West, especially from our businesses, from GE, from, I can give you tons, Boeing.
05:32:47.620
They ripped all of that technology off from us.
05:32:49.940
And by the way, they're not more technologically advanced than the United States.
05:33:19.220
Dubai is the most Westernized airport which has ever existed in history.
05:33:27.480
Even Baghdad, even Baghdad, when it was all influenced by the West, it was considered a central trading hub of the world, is not as Westernized as Dubai.
05:33:37.440
Westerners literally live in high-rise buildings there.
05:33:42.480
It's not, but it's not, so why, tell me, tell me why, they-
05:33:46.500
They have what's called the Palm Islands, lady.
05:33:48.660
Tell me why, no, lady, don't stop calling me lady.
05:33:55.060
It's arbitrary to call you lady or it's specific?
05:33:57.320
It's just like, it's kind of like, um, like you're trying to insult me, but like, lady?
05:34:25.840
I want to, like, I want to know your affiliation with Dubai because apparently you know everything
05:34:29.960
that they're, like, they're involved with the U.S.
05:34:35.740
So, your whole argument all the time was, like, what is your statistics?
05:34:39.500
Like, you have no, like, credentials with that.
05:34:46.580
I'm making an actual factual argument and you're trying to say, oh, they're influenced-
05:35:06.220
So, then why does the U.S. not have the technology they have?
05:35:09.920
Okay, what technology do you think the U.S. doesn't have that technology?
05:35:14.340
Can you name the technology you think Dubai is?
05:35:19.700
We look like we're living in the fucking 50s here.
05:35:21.800
Okay, so real quick, can you repeat my question to you?
05:35:31.240
Can you name the technology Dubai has that the United States-
05:35:43.800
What architectural technology do you think Dubai has that the United States doesn't have?
05:35:51.880
They're living in the fucking 50s compared to Dubai.
05:35:57.920
Like, have you been to all the cities across America?
05:36:00.960
And you don't mean what architecture technology Dubai has that the United States doesn't have.
05:36:06.480
Like, it's just, it's not, you can't even compare.
05:36:08.680
Do you think that Miami is more primitive than fucking Asia?
05:36:18.760
You're trying to make me look stupid, but I'm way more-
05:36:26.720
She was discussing the birth rate crisis with chair one and how she believes it either doesn't exist or is not that bad.
05:36:34.580
There's two other chats I need to let come through.
05:36:45.560
We have Sensei coming in here in just a moment.
05:37:05.620
Oh, it, the Streamlabs, it'll change bad words to other words.
05:37:11.980
But it changed ass to rainbows for some reason.
05:37:22.540
All indigenous peoples in Canada and America lived in the Stone Age until European settlers
05:37:28.640
came to North America and brought their technological inventions.
05:37:39.540
Remember, almost all societies, except far eastern societies, basically lived under primitive
05:37:47.340
You probably have chat GPT in front of you, like, actually, Andrew.
05:37:57.700
Because why didn't he have that argument earlier?
05:38:01.360
There's actually an olive branch I'll give you.
05:38:03.480
I do agree that you would be at a disadvantage to me.
05:38:06.780
The only time, though, that I source information from the internet, I will always tell you that
05:38:19.940
Even if I'm in a live debate, I'll tell people, like, go ahead, look it up.
05:38:31.340
Um, we'll do a few more from Jazz, but Jazz, have you ever been on a date with a guy who
05:38:37.220
you really like, who you're really attracted to, and then you disclose that you're like
05:38:41.540
a woke feminist, and then the soul, you see the soul leave the guy's body when you tell
05:38:49.680
No, I don't necessarily identify as a feminist, so I would never claim that, but I do let my
05:39:01.400
I think a lot of, uh, if they are conservative or whatever, or they have ideologies that don't
05:39:07.200
align with mine, they usually, like, get energized.
05:39:13.000
I mean, in your, I think it's in your link tree or whatever, dissecting power, race, and
05:39:18.980
I feel like most guys, they see that, well, I suppose if they're more conservative leaning.
05:39:26.600
They're like, oh man, she's like, she's kind of cool and, like, good looking or whatever,
05:39:33.880
I'm telling you, I'm looking for, I'm looking for a very specific man that probably doesn't
05:39:43.460
Uh, in your essay that me and Andrew thoroughly kind of didn't really go through, I, well,
05:39:50.960
I mean, I, I thoroughly went through it, honestly.
05:40:01.040
You said, patriarchy refers to a social structure in which power is disproportionately held by men.
05:40:12.260
Over time, women have gained legal rights such as equal access to employment, pay equity,
05:40:16.480
credit, military service, and protections against discrimination.
05:40:21.120
Uh, Andrew would probably dispute quite a few of these as it relates to owning property,
05:40:26.880
Uh, I don't know if we have a bunch of time to dive into each of those specifics.
05:40:30.560
I, I don't know if, um, like, women being able to join the military is necessarily like
05:40:37.300
some sort of like, like a privilege necessarily, but I don't know.
05:40:41.520
Um, you also wrote, modern Western ideals often present gender roles as natural, making
05:40:46.740
much of the manual labor both historically and currently fall onto men.
05:40:50.380
While some might argue that biology justifies this division, the deeper consequences of such
05:40:57.240
But so do you disagree that men are more capable and able physical laborers?
05:41:02.040
No, I don't disagree with the, uh, predisposed biological and genetic differences between men and women.
05:41:07.980
I disagree with the fact that we should structure and force every man and every woman to participate
05:41:21.520
Because even, even under basically the most patriarchal systems that I can think of,
05:41:28.560
there's always people who are outliers who don't participate in the, the normalcy of society.
05:41:37.820
So I, I'd like, this is why I don't, I never understand what feminists are actually advocating
05:41:42.000
for. If you agree with us that the health of a society is going to be based primarily along
05:41:47.360
the lines of gender roles, meaning men are going to do most of the destructive labor jobs
05:41:52.120
and the protection roles, and women are going to reproduce society.
05:41:55.620
What is it that feminists actually are arguing for here?
05:42:00.860
Um, I just don't think that our predisposed, um, genetic traits should be the end all be all,
05:42:08.300
even if you think that that is the most beneficial structure for us. I just think it's again,
05:42:13.660
exclusive to a lot of people who, like you said, are outliers in this case. I don't think it's a
05:42:18.440
good idea to force those roles on the outliers. I think the outliers. So what should we do with
05:42:23.400
the outliers? I think they should feel free to exist, uh, and not be demonized or frowned upon
05:42:29.360
or emasculated in a sense of what would make them outliers? The fact that they don't exist in
05:42:36.560
the realm of the binary, as you describe it, they don't, they don't exist. Like if you were going
05:42:41.100
to say what a mental illness was, if I were to ask you, how would you identify what a mental illness
05:42:47.420
is? Isn't the only way to actually identify it is to look at behavioral patterns, which go against
05:42:54.240
the norm of society. Isn't that really the only way to even identify mental illness? I think a mental
05:42:59.880
illness, um, is classified as it causes impairment in the individual's life. So it's not so much that
05:43:06.300
it goes against the norm. It's that it causes impairment in their functioning. How do we know
05:43:10.600
what impairment is? Um, an inability to function at work, at home in a variety of settings. So not
05:43:20.160
normal? Well, not being able to function. And then force the rest of us to give in to what you guys
05:43:28.640
are doing. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Let us have the exchange. Hang on. She's barely
05:43:34.140
spoken the whole evening, right? Let's, let's give her the floor for a second. Do you agree with me
05:43:39.700
though, that the idea of can't function is abnormal? It goes against mainstream. So I'm not going to argue
05:43:48.340
with the word normal. Yeah. Yeah. So if it goes against the mainstream, mainstream being what we
05:43:53.320
would consider broadly normal, isn't that how you identify mental illness is by looking specifically
05:43:58.800
for behavioral patterns, which aren't normal? Sure. You could say normal. Yeah, sure. Because
05:44:04.540
you know, you say atypical, you know, right. Sure. Yeah. Sure. I don't, I don't even know how
05:44:09.800
since psychology is the study of the mind, which is just the study of behavioral patterns.
05:44:16.000
How is it that you could ever judge something was mental illness or an issue other than to say,
05:44:22.380
when we compare this to the sample size of other people who aren't you, this isn't the behavior we
05:44:28.340
see. I mean, yeah, that's one way. I think impairment and functioning also indicates, um,
05:44:36.680
an inability to function. So if you can't work, if you can't sustain a relationship, if you can't
05:44:42.800
perform tasks or function in a variety of settings, then it falls under the category.
05:44:49.400
No, that can't, that can't, that can't be the case because if a person had a leg that was like
05:44:54.340
cut off. Well, you're talking about mental illness. Hang on, hang on, hang on. During an
05:44:58.740
industrial accident. That's what it is. Mental illness. You wouldn't consider that to be a
05:45:02.400
mental illness, right? No, that's a physical disability. I'm talking about if it's a mental.
05:45:08.360
But that would definitely inhibit a person's ability to function, right? Of course, but that's
05:45:12.800
not. So we're looking at behavior. We have to be looking at behavior here. Well, yeah,
05:45:16.580
we're looking at behavior. Yeah. So if it's behavior, we're not talking about your ability
05:45:21.060
to walk. We're talking about. Yeah. So how would you ever judge that the behavior was
05:45:25.760
mentally ill or wrong or this or that, unless you were able to compare it to a sample size
05:45:31.720
where you said most don't behave this way? I'm not arguing against normal. You want to use
05:45:39.640
the term normal? That's fine with me. Well, in this case, when I say normal, I just mean
05:45:44.600
we would attribute that these behaviors over a sample size, which is way greater than this
05:45:53.900
one subset, we would call that normal. Yeah. Like if we were to say 60% of men like big
05:46:02.740
a man want to call himself a woman, normal? No. What? No. Without you drunk. Hang on,
05:46:07.980
drunky. What the fuck? No. Real quick, real quick, back to you. Drunky? Hell no. If I were
05:46:12.920
to say that like 60% of men. I'm telling you, no. There is no man going to call himself a
05:46:17.360
woman. I don't give a fuck what he does. Yeah, I know. Nobody's talking about that,
05:46:21.220
though. Nobody's talking about that. But anyway. That's what it is. That's what you're trying
05:46:27.240
to talk about. Yes, you're trying to dance around it. You're fucking insufferable. Can
05:46:31.220
anybody talk except you? Good Lord. Anyway, the nice lady hasn't even said two words. She's
05:46:39.060
engaging in good faith. I'd like to finish my conversation. That's okay with you, your fucking
05:46:43.260
majesty. So anyway, back to you. If you were to say like 60% of men like women with big breasts,
05:46:52.400
you would say that's normal, right? If over 60% of men liked big breasts, then liking big breasts
05:46:58.320
would then be classified as normal. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. So, so what I'm saying here is
05:47:05.040
that the way that you would identify mental illness is to take behavioral patterns over the large group
05:47:11.640
and say, this doesn't fit in with those behavioral patterns. So therefore it's odd, weird, abnormal.
05:47:17.620
Yeah. I've, I agreed with the use of the term normal. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
05:47:22.300
I'm just, I'm just clarifying it. Okay. So, uh, you know, kind of, kind of back to her when she's
05:47:27.100
talking about outliers. Yeah. Right. She's trying to speak to people who generally, I would say have
05:47:33.300
abnormal behavioral patterns. So I would consider them. Outliers, not normal. Mentally ill, right?
05:47:41.040
Well, that's still subjective. Well, you know, yes, yes, yes, it is. Psychology is pretty fucking
05:47:49.660
subjective. Yes. I think it depends on how they're an outlier and how they're defying the
05:47:54.500
norm. So. Yeah. Well, I don't think so. Well, I mean, you can't just say everybody who goes
05:48:00.120
against the norm has a mental illness, but sometimes. No, no, no, no, no. Not everybody who goes against
05:48:04.480
the norm. Because I'm sorry, a dude thinking he's a woman. Hang on. No, man. No. No, I'm sorry.
05:48:11.540
You're still fucking insufferable. You can't get three words across to each other without you
05:48:15.980
freaking out. Yes, we get it. Men can't be women. Yes, I understand. I totally agree with
05:48:20.680
you. Was there anything else that you wanted to add? Oh, really? That was useful. That's
05:48:24.760
what we're talking. Really? Really. I'm not even. Andrew, how do you feel to be a sugar daddy?
05:48:36.340
How do you feel to be a sugar daddy? I couldn't hear you. What'd you say? How do you feel to
05:48:41.300
be a sugar daddy tonight? That's not. You think that it's sugar daddying that a nice
05:48:48.180
young couple who hasn't been on the honeymoon who you berated her husband, that the crucible
05:48:52.660
is going to send them off on a honeymoon. That's sugar daddy. Yeah. You and the crucible
05:48:56.600
are sugar daddy. What do I get? What do I get? No, I love it. It's like, it's such good
05:49:01.500
energy. You're like on the sugar daddy energy. I love it. Yeah. I mean, how does it feel to
05:49:06.180
be completely insufferable and use words when you clearly don't know? Why don't you
05:49:10.120
tell us, man? I don't think I'm insufferable. I think I'm valid. Shit. I just, I love that
05:49:17.060
you're participating in the culture that I partake in. Like you just, you, you just like
05:49:22.580
you sugar to the, the, the couple over here, the Christian couple, the cult. I love it.
05:49:27.460
So to get this right, anytime you call into a radio show and you win a sweepstakes, they're
05:49:33.140
being a sugar daddy. Fuck yeah. How, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Is this a, is this
05:49:37.540
a radio show? Did you, did you call into a radio show? Okay. What was the question?
05:49:45.020
See, I think you, you've been the sugar daddy of the night. You just paid 3k. That is like
05:49:50.540
equivalent to what sugar daddies do. You just did it. You're like, oh, I'm going to fund
05:49:54.380
this Christian couple cause you're a cult leader. And so there you go. Oh, so now, so if I'm a
05:50:00.380
cult leader, can you tell me what a cult is? Um, a cult it's, I don't know the actual
05:50:06.640
definition, but see, this is your thing. You love to ask people, what is the definition
05:50:12.620
of this? Like, what is your definition? So my definition of cult, you like to push your
05:50:17.380
belief onto others. That's like essentially what you do in most like arguments. So the government's
05:50:22.240
a cult? Yes. 100%. Oh, okay. 100 fucking percent. Brilliant. Take that. I mean, I'm not going to
05:50:29.800
say that cause hi, love the government, but like, yeah. The government is cult leaders.
05:50:36.560
Fuck yes. Yeah, I know all these assholes shut me down. But like, wait, wait, wait, I'm so
05:50:39.900
wait, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, hold on, hold on, hold on. Are you the government? You're
05:50:43.980
not the government? Are you the fucking senator? No, you're not. No, these assholes shut me
05:50:48.920
down, calling me grandma and shit. Girl, we're not even, we're not even talking about you
05:50:53.140
right now. Fucking grandma. But no, that's what they do. Girl, I'm not even talking to you
05:50:58.780
right now. I'm sorry not to be a bitch, but like, let's be real here. Whoa, that
05:51:04.100
sounded like she was being kind of a bitch to you. Not going to lie. I am. She
05:51:07.960
sounds, she sounds kind of rude. No, I'm just like, I'm just trying to tell you
05:51:11.240
right now, like you're giving me shit and you also call me an OF model. I don't do
05:51:15.400
OF and you're calling me a prostitute. No, no, no, you call me. Did you prostitute?
05:51:19.220
Oh no, you called me. No, no, no. So let's, let's get this straight. Baby, let's get this
05:51:25.360
straight. You called me an escort, whereas you essentially were a sugar daddy to this
05:51:29.500
couple over here. So you're like, you're trying to be a swinger. Like, hello, you're
05:51:33.740
trying to like swing this couple with your 3K and your Christian cult. So, so to get this
05:51:40.700
right, you fucked men for money. Oh, I never said I fucked men for money. Oh, I
05:51:47.040
never said I fucked men for money. I said, I never said I fucked men for money. I said
05:51:52.860
I have relationships, I have relationships with men and they give me, um, gifts and
05:51:57.880
donations. I never said, I never, do you have, hang on, do you have sex with some of
05:52:03.360
those men who give you gifts and donations? I never said that. That's, I, can you answer
05:52:08.080
my question? I never said that though. But Andrew, Andrew, you're asking me, but I never
05:52:14.080
said so. Do you have sex with some of these men who give you gifts and money? No, I haven't
05:52:19.200
lately. No, you fucking lie. Oh, you lately? I haven't lately. No, no, I have not. Um, but
05:52:26.100
you, wait, wait, Andrew, why is it? Wait, wait, I love how you're, I love how you're trying
05:52:30.900
to like totally like dis, like make the argument go another way and call me a prostitute. No,
05:52:38.020
no, no. Your, your defense mechanism is to call me a prostitute and say, I have sex
05:52:42.840
with men for money. When I literally called you out for giving this girl money when you're
05:52:47.060
being a sugar daddy. That's what a sugar daddy does. Like I literally go on dates with men
05:52:50.700
and they give me money just for like existing. That's what exactly, that's not what you did
05:52:54.280
to her. Is it not? Is it not? Did you not give her money for existing and having a, having
05:52:59.840
a relationship with someone? You're like, I'm going to give you 3k. That's what sugar
05:53:03.380
days do. So congratulations. You're a sugar daddy. Congratulations. Whatever podcast
05:53:07.780
Andrew is a sugar daddy. We love it. Yes. Yes. Smoke that cigarette, baby. Glutinous. You
05:53:15.920
gluttony. You're indulging in your gluttony. So any of those men that you went on dates with
05:53:23.020
who gave you money and resources? What does that have to do with what I just said about
05:53:27.160
your, like, you're, you're totally like disregarding what I said. You're a sugar daddy. I love it
05:53:31.540
though. I want an answer. I want an answer to my question. Yeah. You and your wife are
05:53:35.300
swingers, sugar, um, sugar couple. We love it. Swingers. Yes. Answer my question. I love
05:53:40.580
swingers. Ooh, your wife, your wife should swing with me. You and you guys can like go
05:53:45.220
hang out with me. Yeah. Got it. Did you have sex with any of those men though? I never said
05:53:49.400
that. Yeah, I know. That's why I'm asking you. I never said anything. Yeah, I know. Can you
05:53:54.480
answer the question though? I, I, I just received donations from people who want to give me
05:53:59.140
donations. I never have sex with any of those men or not. Why, wait, why should I answer
05:54:04.740
to you actually? Because you know what the answer is. Oh wait, really? Do you, do you
05:54:09.460
know what the answer is? What do you think the answer is? I want to know what you're, what
05:54:12.300
do you think? I think the answer is yes. Okay. Then you, then I believe the answer is yes
05:54:15.600
because you said that it was. You're entitled, you're entitled to that answer. Wait, what'd
05:54:22.120
you say? Earlier you said, I don't do that anymore. Anymore. But I never said sex. That
05:54:30.780
means you didn't. No, no, no. That was specifically to the queen. Anymore. Sex, sex doesn't mean,
05:54:35.440
what is your definition of sex? Define your definition of sex, Andrew. If you ever, if a
05:54:41.580
man ever put his penis inside of any of your orifices. Am I orifices? Your mouth, your
05:54:50.800
ass, your vagina, or you put his, your hand around his penis for any elongated period of
05:54:56.820
time, or he ever rubbed his penis on you consensually at any time. Did any of those things ever occur
05:55:03.320
I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. I, it may, I don't know. Maybe, maybe
05:55:11.800
it did. I just don't remember if you were a prostitute or not. I was on Xanax. I don't
05:55:15.460
remember. I used to be a drug addict. I'm sorry. Of course. I'm sorry that you don't. I know
05:55:19.900
I'm the total definition of what you think I am. I can actually see how you could make
05:55:24.720
the equivocation and the comparison that me funding a young, uh, married couple's honeymoon.
05:55:33.540
Oh no, you're a sugar daddy. You're a sugar daddy. Oh no, baby. I go out with men for
05:55:38.260
nothing. I just sit there and that's essentially what you did to her. You just said, I'm going
05:55:41.940
to give you 3k because you're a young couple. I've gotten money just for being a young girl.
05:55:46.740
That's what you just did. So you and your wife are sugar couple. And I fuck with that.
05:55:51.760
I think you guys are so like, I think that's sexy. So you should like really rep that.
05:55:56.260
I think you should like put that in your bio and your crucifix. Be like, we're sugar couple.
05:56:00.640
We will give you money for like, just being like a hot young couple. You know, I think
05:56:05.760
when women, just to make sure I got this right. Anytime you give a homeless person money, you're
05:56:11.640
a sugar daddy. Fuck yeah. Is she homeless? She's not homeless. Well, with your logic, that's
05:56:17.920
what you're making it sound like. No, it's not. Bro, you just got 3k.
05:56:21.760
From a couple that gave it to you because they're a sugar couple. Can you stop talking
05:56:25.040
over me? He's not very jealous. I'm not talking over you. I let you speak what you said. I just
05:56:28.380
said what I said and I speak a little louder. That's not talking over you. So speak what
05:56:31.640
you have to say. When women do this, when they attack another woman and like go off.
05:56:36.260
How am I attacking you? You're attacking Andrew. You're attacking, you've been attacking
05:56:40.080
me this whole time. I feel like I've been very. I have not been attacking you. Let me finish
05:56:43.060
talking. I've been very respectful of you this whole time. I have not said anything to you.
05:56:47.620
Let her fucking finish, lady. Girl, I have not been attacking you. That's a crazy statement.
05:56:53.360
You called my, you said I was groomed by my husband. How's that attacking? Stop talking.
05:56:57.940
You said my. How's that attacking? You said. Define it. Can I, can I continue speaking?
05:57:01.900
Sure, go ahead. Go ahead. You said I was groomed by my husband. You said my, my religion is a
05:57:07.320
cult. Yes. And now you're accusing Andrew of being a sugar daddy for doing a nice gesture
05:57:12.620
just because. Oh, that's hard. No, when women act like this, it comes out of a place of such
05:57:16.560
jealousy and unhappiness and you wouldn't have to attack me like this if you, if you were
05:57:21.360
happy with yourself. This isn't a taxi, your type of. Her husband's a groomer isn't an attack.
05:57:27.340
Really? You're taking as an attack because I don't think you can handle the truth. Your
05:57:31.820
husband's a groomer. That's. You've literally lived such a sheltered life. I don't even think
05:57:35.420
you know what like real life is. What? How do you, do you know my entire life? Really? I don't know
05:57:40.380
your life, but what I'm seeing, like what you're displaying, like it's very sheltered
05:57:45.960
because you already kind of like somewhat attacked me earlier. So. When did I attack
05:57:51.480
you? You basically attacked me in saying that like I'm trying to kill babies too. I never
05:57:57.840
said you were trying to kill babies. I said you believe that killing babies is okay, which
05:58:02.200
you do believe killing babies is okay. So I made a factual statement. I never said I believe
05:58:05.460
killing babies is okay. A baby is a baby. A baby is not a baby if it's in like the womb
05:58:10.860
like in the first month. Okay. Well, it is like life begins at conception. So okay. Agree
05:58:15.200
to disagree, but you did say you're okay with killing. Science is up for negotiation. It's
05:58:18.920
actually not that proven. All right. What's not that proven? So Andrew, you actually said
05:58:24.460
that psychology and science are not that real. Science? No. No, you've like, you've said
05:58:30.980
this before. Psychology is a soft science though. It's not real science. I know, but
05:58:35.360
you, you don't, you don't believe science is that real. What are you, what are you talking
05:58:40.560
about? Tell me something. I know you're trolling now, but it's still. How am I trolling? Just,
05:58:44.380
just, just, just let me ask you this. What's the scientific method again? I don't know what
05:58:49.160
the scientific, you can call me drunk or whatever the fuck you want to say, bitch. Like I didn't
05:58:53.060
say anything about you. You're whispering to her. If you have something to say to me, say
05:58:57.180
it to me. She just said you're not being serious. You don't even, I didn't say anything about
05:59:01.060
you. You don't even fucking know me like that. So shut the fuck up. All right, fine. I think
05:59:05.020
you have, do you have a relationship with your father? What is, what is the significance
05:59:09.520
of that? I'm just asking. Okay. So my, this, this actually leads to my argument earlier.
05:59:15.760
You were trying to say that people should not get abortions. And my argument was that you
05:59:20.260
come from a two party household. So how can you make that argument when people come from
05:59:23.560
broken households that they like, can't really, um, support a child. So like, you would not
05:59:29.640
know you came from, you're very privileged. I can tell, I can tell what you, what you've
05:59:33.240
said this whole night. You've barely talked. You're very submissive to my, no, no, no,
05:59:36.880
Andrew, Andrew, like you're not even here. You're not even here. You're in a box on the fucking
05:59:43.420
computer screen. Like shut the, like, my perspective, you're in a box on the computer screen. Oh my
05:59:48.580
God. Okay. My box is hotter than yours. My box gets more money than yours, baby. That's
05:59:56.460
funny. But, but you're right. She sheltered. She never sucked dick for money. You're right.
06:00:00.260
Oh, I never said I sucked dick for money. Did you ever suck dick for money? Have you
06:00:05.100
sucked dick for money? No. No, I'm asking you. Oh my God. I love that for you. Answer
06:00:08.400
the question, lady. Lady. Answer the question, lady. Answer the question. Lady. You're not
06:00:15.600
going to answer it, are you? I never, I'm not, I take the latter. I don't, I'm, I'm
06:00:21.720
unemployed. I'm unemployed. I don't have a job. What are you talking about? Yeah. Well,
06:00:25.560
when he did have a job was, I never, I've never had a job in my life. When he did have
06:00:29.720
a job, was it ever a blow job? I've never had a job. I've just like, I'm a civilian. Yeah.
06:00:37.280
I'm a broken, I'm a broken child, you know? Anyway. Let me get the fuck out of here.
06:00:48.640
Man. If I, I feel like you're just trying to like dig your way up from China at this
06:00:53.660
point. Dick my way up where? I don't want to dig my way up in your vagina. Hell fucking
06:00:58.360
no. That shit sounds like tumultuous. Uh-uh. Where's your whiskey at, Andrew? Let's take a
06:01:06.940
shot. Come on. Let's take a shot with your whiskey. I know you love whiskey. I have some,
06:01:10.660
I have some drunk cherries at the bottom. They've been. Oh, cheers, Andrew. Cheers. Cheers to being
06:01:16.680
a degenerate and gluttony. Eat those whiskey cherries. Vodka cherries. All right. Well,
06:01:31.500
were you going to finish your point? What? I, we, we, it kind of got interrupted. I asked
06:01:36.760
you if you had a relationship with your father, then you proceeded to go off on me. Why is
06:01:40.240
that? Um, I just asking, I'm just curious. But why is that relevant? Ask, can you answer
06:01:45.340
my question? Why is that relevant? Because I'm just wondering what your family. Tell me
06:01:49.580
about your relationship with your father. I'd love to hear all the like. I honestly didn't
06:01:52.860
have a great relationship with my dad growing up. What was it like? Very distant. He's out
06:01:57.280
he's an alcoholic. I mean, so, so you came from a broken family. I mean, I would, I don't know
06:02:03.140
if I would use the term broken and I, there were definitely flaws in my, my parents and
06:02:07.860
my family. And you know, I think that's with every family. I, I, but I, what I did instead
06:02:13.100
of making an excuse and being like, well, I come from a broken marriage, whatever it may
06:02:19.120
be. Like I actually learned a lot from it. And I had said, I don't want that in my husband.
06:02:23.880
So I asked you earlier, if you came from a broken household and you said you didn't,
06:02:28.220
I said, it's not, it's my parents are still together. I mean, they have a house. They're
06:02:32.800
successful. I don't, I don't. But why are you now saying that you came from a broken
06:02:36.600
household? When I asked you earlier, because you're, you're defining my dad being an alcoholic
06:02:40.640
and me not having a great relationship. You said broken. So I'm bringing this to a broken
06:02:44.700
household back in. It's not broken in the fact that my parents are still together.
06:02:49.420
That is broken. You're not, now you're actually like, you're being real right now. And I
06:02:53.260
appreciate that. Super chat just came through. No, I appreciate you being real right now
06:02:57.160
because you earlier, you were not being real. Now you're being real. And I like, I can see
06:03:00.780
why that you would go for an older man. Like I get it now. It's okay. Now it's okay. Okay.
06:03:05.220
And make Brian a sandwich. Oh, wait, what? That's probably Dave. Wait, chair two, calm
06:03:09.780
down. Is it Dave? Is he pasty George? Make Brian a sandwich or burrito? I feel he is pasty George.
06:03:13.660
Dave, how? Dave, how? Shut up, Dave. Sorry for the delay on these guys. I was, I stepped away
06:03:17.880
from the, uh, I stepped away. Yeah. She said older. Dave, how? Shut up.
06:03:24.340
Hang on. She got, she met him when she was 17. If you don't, if you don't ask me, that's
06:03:32.880
predatory. I looked, I looked like this at 17. I didn't look like a child. That's even
06:03:38.160
worth like a, like a, um, a debate argument. Thank you. How was that? You looked like that
06:03:44.500
chair two chair two hang on just my name is erica please address me by my name i'm not chair two
06:03:50.760
i'm an actual like human being so you know what you're right erica but no one question for me
06:03:56.480
and tell bitch i'm more popping than you actual tell the actual truth
06:04:00.180
when you were 17 did you ever fuck a guy in his 20s nope i didn't lose my virginity till 19
06:04:07.660
you're fucking coping i swear to god i swear to fucking god i was literally in
06:04:14.980
band all throughout school i was a nerd i don't care i know you don't care i know we get it
06:04:21.240
claim donated two hundred dollars thank you playing appreciate it more than a submarine with a
06:04:26.820
leak she ain't he got no reason behind her argument this is the first time she got to speak without
06:04:33.360
yeah totally thank you what that your dad's penis in my mouth you're welcome your dad's
06:04:39.620
cum tastes like fucking oh my god shut up okay mike davis i mean actually i do you think that that's
06:04:45.740
insulting to the guy do you do you think that's insulting andrew that's insulting to him i feel
06:04:52.320
like your cum tastes disgusting because you seem like you eat fast food all day oh this is like such
06:04:56.960
vile convo all right brian uh so me out okay bitch kick me the fuck out next subject stop just
06:05:05.160
stop no she literally just said kick me out do you want me kicked out kick me out chat hello well
06:05:09.360
okay mike davis asked the following uh how much to kick her yeah let's do 2k it's 9 999 in bitcoin
06:05:18.840
my bitcoin wallet is in the description that's if you want one or kicked out also you call me an
06:05:26.580
of girl i don't do of andrew it's okay no but he said that earlier he's like oh i'm a prostitute
06:05:32.760
jungle donated one thousand dollars do you not unmute the microphone i hereby bring back the okay your
06:05:42.120
microphone is muted so dumb and chair three granny deserved 30 minutes muted bitch i'm getting uber
06:05:48.400
back i don't want to fucking be here dude you're not overing back right now wait there's really good
06:05:53.960
stuff we still need to get into so why don't you do this you were being rude to me just now you're not
06:05:57.840
yourself you call me lady like be nice to me brian you just called me a bitch excuse me you didn't use
06:06:03.100
my preferred pronouns hey sit down sit down sit down or don't even you're like you're you're taking
06:06:08.940
you're letting these men like take your whole like i see your game you do and this is why you
06:06:14.860
were in a groomed relationship you let men just like dictate you you're like you're doing a little
06:06:21.080
thing one man i'm not doing anything this is me you're doing a little thing where you're trying
06:06:24.640
to get under her skin by yeah and we know nothing about her personal relationship so let's uh don't
06:06:30.400
let me start on you well you've said fucking words you get you've said words all fucking night girl
06:06:36.400
hold on all fucking night i've gotten text messages from people that actually have intelligence you've
06:06:41.000
said words out all fucking night that don't make sense i don't agree jazz are you gonna let her
06:06:44.980
talk to you like this oh no she you don't know you uh you literally like i agree with half what you
06:06:50.740
said then half we sound like girl what the like actually like yeah we don't have to agree yeah i know
06:06:55.520
i know but like you can be respectful towards her and not respect girl we're on a podcast what do
06:07:01.880
you mean respect you can respectfully debate you don't have to call people bitches and say that
06:07:05.780
their husband groomed them and say i don't know what that's how is that rude to say bitch and
06:07:09.720
your husband grooms you that's condescending when you don't know anything about my relationship
06:07:14.240
you called me drunk as an argument earlier this conversation is drunk are you drunk as your
06:07:18.480
fucking argument so no don't even get there you literally thought you were having you were being
06:07:22.920
condescending like are you drunk are you drunk just because you noticed i was drinking tonight
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but you were drunk though girl i'm always drunk what what's the argument and she was trying to act
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like i'm like inebriate in a way where i'm like no oh she's gonna
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hi everybody i was groomed by my fucking 20 year old man when i was 17 hello we love it actually i don't
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love it bitch i'm ubering back i do not like you should stay for the uh the con your notes
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et no bitch like this is see like you think i was calling you a bitch bro you're the one beefing
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with everybody you're the one chirping everybody i'm not chirping you're chirping we should just settle
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down i finally say what i have to say because i heard what she said earlier and she thought she
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was being all like speak if you're going to speak at least do them to them i'm sorry i'm sorry brian i
06:08:14.220
forget you should invest in headphones like hello you make how much money but you had some things to
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say go ahead and say them uh there's oh my god that's crazy there's chats coming through hopefully
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we can redirect the conversation away from those donated 200 lulu thank you appreciate it too
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this is why you want me to save okay cool develop self-esteem sorry money isn't everything
06:08:37.000
it's all right going to dubai you're doing great you're doing good crap on you will mess up
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i haven't gone to dubai that's it's not too late for you have you been to dubai have you been to
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dubai you don't know my fucking life well you okay then you lied earlier you don't know me yeah you
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guys are friends no why are you beefing your friends like actually like be quiet please please
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like you don't you're absolutely right you don't know a lot of are you gonna let her talk to you
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like that you don't let her talk to you like that i'm not brian i'm not gonna engage whatever
06:09:06.880
wait into the mic if you can you're a little far uh okay we have beach master chad beach master chad
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thank you bro chatu is saying she should have been aborted because her childhood wasn't i never said
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that it's not beach master chad no that's what she's you're fucking you probably have a little dick
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that's like this oh man uh thank you probably the little dick you jack master yeah that's uh
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three feminist arguments i'm not even a feminist i don't want to control what men do with their
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dicks men are trying wait she got muted more men have small
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oh yeah i can't even i can't respond right why am i saying that's crazy i can't even defend myself
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notification goes off thank you oh i'm finally i'm not even drunk i'm way too sober and i want to get
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the fuck out of here like that's the vibe oh god wait we haven't even gotten into your amazing
06:10:01.800
tiktok videos you just gotta wait i want to see the tiktok videos yeah you just wait yeah you are
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muted because john hold on hold on just wait just wait we'll get there big sass energy are you my
06:10:13.480
caucasian are you okay are you my homie i don't know are we homies look enjoy your pizza
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enjoy your juice have take a little breather okay you're giving me anxiety why am i giving you anxiety
06:10:29.100
look you got some delicious pizza in front of you you you said you were hungry eat your pizza
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back on this fucking situation this is crazy you're stressing your does anybody have some
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okay stop stop stop stop your mic's muted your mic's muted nobody can hear you
06:10:49.180
you need to like actually space a little more years i'd meet the mic you want them
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andrew i only if jungle hey i have more views tonight than any other fucking jungle will
06:11:02.080
understand how many views are there right now i'd like to know andrew do you speak as
06:11:06.660
andrew stop stop stop andrew do you speak as the agent of jungle he backs me 100 guaranteed
06:11:16.960
i need the mic okay well i need the mic yeah but bro she i wanted to hear what she's saying i can't
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hear what she's saying you don't want trust me you don't want to hear the shit you don't want to hear
06:11:28.960
the shit i want to hear it now you're beefing with me now what the fuck you just you're acting like
06:11:35.020
we don't have beef but you just said you don't want to hear it she has to say the fuck the fuck
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yeah the fuck yeah you're crazy the fuck uh let i need to there's a lot to get through guys
06:11:51.180
eat your pizza lady you asked for pizza by the way where's the cash where's the cash you said
06:11:57.360
you're gonna give me cash where's the money where's the fucking money you want cash because
06:12:08.500
you're a stripper all right listen let me get through a bit of the show brian wants cash because
06:12:14.900
he's a stripper you know what this would be like the ultimate full circle thing where you have all
06:12:21.460
these sugar daddies and you just send that shit to me you should you should i already had a sugar
06:12:28.320
pony up to even be here pony up send that shit send the money okay all right we we're really late
06:12:35.660
on this one so we're gonna do this this is everybody's favorite segment here there's a lot
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okay after this we're gonna do we'll do a super chat break because there's a a lot stifler ask everyone
06:12:46.960
to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten you can't pick seven starting with you why can't
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we pick seven everyone everyone picks seven yeah so you gotta lean either towards a six or towards an
06:13:09.920
i mean her opinion i guess no what's your what's your opinion though i mean if we're
06:13:16.660
factoring in other characteristics i would pull the supers i'm talking to mary god but um just looks
06:13:25.120
i don't know i don't really i don't know i have a different opinion on beauty it's all subjective and
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i think i'm confident and how i look so so just what eight you said um yeah sure room for improvement
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uh morin or norin thank you for the uh shop.whatever.com purchase hold on
06:13:47.180
uh we have jungle left he says to unmute but here's the rule though he does get to assign you
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you have to wear this for the next 15 minutes jungle stone yeah yeah put it on what do i get
06:13:59.580
pop champagne you get the privilege of wearing the hat put it on it'll look good on you i want i
06:14:05.100
want something in return you need a you need to put my instagram in your bio for this video
06:14:09.820
put the hat on can you can we make an agreement you're gonna put my instagram in your bio for this
06:14:15.600
video i don't not link their he doesn't like instagram anymore so you need to link my instagram
06:14:19.360
negotiate with terrorists okay i don't negotiate with terrorists put the hat on hold on put the
06:14:24.680
hat on what distinguishes me as a terrorist please please i'd love to hear you trying to make this
06:14:30.300
like are you you just called me a terrorist that's a huge accusation this girl's like trying to get me
06:14:35.640
on like oh because i look no you were telling me to wear a hat so then put my costume in your bio
06:14:40.100
going there oh yeah you called me a terrorist i think wearing this silly hat might be anxiety
06:14:44.960
reducing actually how many people have worn that is there lice is there bed bugs like
06:14:50.520
what's the hat for i know brian made a joke it's a joke i made a funny it's true he made a joke
06:14:57.020
i gotta you gotta put the hat so are you gonna call my instagram in your bio for the video i don't
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negotiate with terrorists put the hat on how am i a terrorist what's the hat you've terrorized
06:15:07.160
this entire panel oh you've caused me terror you've caused do you feel like action i do feel
06:15:15.800
personally victimized what did i do to personally victimize you what did i say to you you before the
06:15:21.680
show you looked at me and i was a little scared i was a bit frightened i have big ass eyes hang on
06:15:28.800
brian's being way too modest so me and brian have had in-depth conversations before i've been in the
06:15:33.960
studio and he has told me that nothing irritates him more than when a chick goes after a young
06:15:39.600
happily married couple because she's fucking jealous and since he saw that it irritated him
06:15:44.520
he was very upset by it i understand completely why that is the projection is crazy i think you're
06:15:50.240
the one who's irritated because you have a wife that was married like two times before you and has
06:15:55.540
like multiple kids with multiple baby daddies and i think that's like a projection from you
06:15:59.460
how does it feel to have a wife that's not pure what you're saying is that i'm a really good person
06:16:06.000
you have an impure wife and you're over here preaching purity talking about his wife your wife
06:16:11.220
and how am i preaching pure what is your like input have to do with what him and i are discussing
06:16:16.320
what does anything you're saying have to do with anything what does anything he's saying have to
06:16:20.100
do with what's happening you're just talking to talk at this point am i am i i think what you
06:16:25.660
said at the beginning of the show was actually let's let's discuss what you said at the beginning
06:16:28.580
of the show you have a ministry where you prescribe only fans people that is not what let's let's
06:16:35.400
let's discuss it go into depth i'd love to hear it let's go into depth after the show if you'd like
06:16:40.080
to follow the oh no wait let's do on the show let's go andrew did you hear what she said at the
06:16:43.480
end of the show she has a ministry where she has only fans girls i do not have a minute okay then
06:16:47.860
i'd love to hear because maybe i heard it wrong well let's hear it i think she tires
06:16:51.460
your investment with my goal investment tires myself up oh i'm just getting started i'm way
06:16:56.680
too sober right now that's cool why don't you keep talking i need a fucking shot at this point
06:17:01.780
jesus christ you gotta put your hat on jungle insists you put that are you gonna put my
06:17:06.300
instagram in your bio i don't i need views my music because no one listens to my music because
06:17:10.500
no one fucking likes me you had your chance to sing your song but i can't think i have i've gone
06:17:15.520
way too much hate for my voice on that i can't sing straight you're on american idol hate for your
06:17:19.640
voice well yeah put it on go ahead listen to on spotify it's actually decent there we go
06:17:22.860
she's gonna do yeah brian what is who has worn this uh mostly felicity mostly felicity has
06:17:32.400
felicity she's taylor drift she's the star everyone taylor drift is the star of the show actually
06:17:37.320
brian you're lucky to have her jazz can you spin the helicopter on the top of her she should she
06:17:41.680
would be way more popping if she was in la she would leave your ass that looks great if you're in la
06:17:45.800
you would literally be popping as fuck you'd probably be with all this like the top streamers
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you're here with fucking brian just came brian you're my clout sugar daddy tonight
06:17:57.240
cut the show we're just getting started this is gonna be a doozy of a show all right so uh here
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let me you know what wait oh yeah we got okay pasty george pasty george hold on
06:18:12.480
we're leaving i was dead i was about to get uber
06:18:15.080
pasty george donated two hundred dollars calm down chatu that's david suck those props
06:18:24.280
shut up and suck those it is david david you've donated so much money give me that money dave
06:18:29.520
dave dave ho give me that money are you are you good are you okay oh my god i'm so fucked up right
06:18:38.020
you know wow okay this is just my personality brian just here tone it down like you're up
06:18:44.840
here right now i'm sorry i'm sorry just bring it down a little bit this hat is so ugly i can't
06:18:49.660
it it fits it actually works for you it's like one of those hot dogs on a stick it's like a hot
06:18:56.220
dog on a stick i know it looks like a hot dog on a stick uh a couple people how much to kick
06:19:01.740
uh guys it's it's you got to do uh nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars via bitcoin the
06:19:08.700
the wallet is in the description if you want to kick somebody uh okay oh yeah we're gonna rate
06:19:14.540
yourselves yes that was what we were doing what's your rating i would like to uh get to that kat
06:19:20.540
thank you for the 50 memberships thank you kat appreciate it thank you thank you thank you
06:19:24.140
uh scale of one to ten really quick guys if you can just so we aren't here all night give me quick
06:19:29.280
answers things fucking ugly uh jazz quick answer please um eight because someone else said it and
06:19:34.740
it's subjective okay uh four intel leave that one up from intel up too late uh intel you'll
06:19:44.180
four four freaky four okay what about you what was that oh my god what the fuck is going on with
06:19:52.720
this panel uh on a scale of one to ten what do you rate your physical looks oh my physical looks
06:19:59.560
on a scale of one to ten god damn answer the question six thank you thank you appreciate it
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five thank you six eight five in my prime i was an eight today i'm a five all right what about you
06:20:12.880
six okay got it uh going around the table super quick answers please do you think you'll be better
06:20:18.520
looking in 10 years time um yeah i think so i have good genes okay 20 years time better looking than i
06:20:27.260
do now how old is that i think 40 will be my prime 40 is your prime i think so yeah all right what
06:20:33.200
about after that maybe maybe a little down you're 30 better looking in 10 years time at the 40 i'm
06:20:37.960
gonna be rich as fuck in 10 years so yeah are you guys done with your pizzas by the way i didn't eat
06:20:42.860
done done done done why what are you gonna do with it eat pizza are we are we taking it away
06:20:47.500
put the uneaten ones felicity if you can in the refrigerator uh can i take it home
06:20:53.740
no okay you want you wanted to go box for the studio pizza yep i do i box that shit andrew do you not
06:21:04.640
all right i know you're like manorexic over here cool uh we need a boost i remember when brian
06:21:10.680
offered you food you're like i gotta go i took i had a flight i haven't slept
06:21:14.280
okay better looking in 10 years time i don't remember this oh i remember everything yes yes i
06:21:22.260
will hell yeah okay uh so you're well you're 52 uh and then if we go back in time will you be
06:21:29.820
better like were you better looking at 42 than now hell yeah hell fuck yeah uh okay 32 hell fuck yeah
06:21:40.060
22 no about about the same yeah what the fuck okay um 20 years time will you be better looking
06:21:50.540
than you are now in 20 years yeah so 72 hell yeah wait how can you simultaneously be better looking in
06:21:57.580
20 years time but you were better looking 20 30 years ago because i decided to get off my ass and
06:22:04.960
work out and do everything that okay you know all right some little youngins didn't want to do
06:22:10.660
the mic please in 10 years yeah you're 40 better looking in uh and were you better looking at 30
06:22:16.560
than now yeah better looking at 20 than now yeah okay savannah uh what about you better looking in 10
06:22:23.200
years time yes 20 years time yes uh 30 years time no okay so better at 29 better at 39 uh you're 45
06:22:31.700
better looking in 10 years time 55 no and then you're 45 were you better at 30 better looking at
06:22:36.540
35 yes okay better looking at 25 yes okay uh you're 50 will you be better looking in uh 10 years time
06:22:44.420
at 60 obviously not and then you're 50 were you better looking at 40 oh yeah better looking at 30
06:22:49.920
and then 20 yeah yes to 30 20 i'm gonna say no okay and then for you better looking in 10 years time
06:22:58.080
at 29 i think i'll be better until i'm around 60 better at six when's your peak until 60 um so wait
06:23:06.300
just to be clear 59 so in 40 years time you'll be better looking at 59 than you are now at 19 yes
06:23:12.340
okay well we've uh we've ai advanced all of you
06:23:25.200
i can't i give me sun damage that i'm not gonna have or we can actually uh just for the sake of time
06:23:34.020
for the sake of time i can come back to that because maybe andrew wants to jump in on some of the more
06:23:40.540
more of the topics here okay that's fine i do very much appreciate it was very nice to meet all
06:23:48.080
of you uh to chair five uh enjoy the shit out of your honeymoon you have to make a promise to meet
06:23:53.820
you andrew you're not going to spend it on any bills you're just going to go i promise i'll i'll
06:23:58.660
send you guys photos on x thank you so much all right sugar daddy andrew wonderful evening yeah
06:24:04.720
thank you awesome thank you andrew appreciate it you're fucking awesome man allowed to do a kind
06:24:10.740
deed for people otherwise you're going to make it overtly sexual because you're a prostitute
06:24:15.920
have a wonderful night everybody i appreciate it good night andrew
06:24:19.900
thank you for you're an incel good night what he's married are you fucking a prostitute
06:24:26.100
right he how can andrew be an incel he's married yeah only for him and his wife both oh wait andrew
06:24:33.080
one one quick request rachel cameo no thank you yes okay i don't want to give me a party
06:24:42.740
you're fucking legends guys w's in the chat for andrew's a fucking legend
06:24:47.420
all right uh you just hide it in the sources you see where it says discord yeah you just hit that
06:24:54.820
all right we have we're gonna blast through the rest of the show we've got quite a bit to get
06:24:59.400
through there's chats that we're gonna do yeah or you know what do we do the ai now and then the
06:25:06.280
chat no the chat's been waiting a really really long time so we're gonna do the chats because they
06:25:10.720
are this is they've been waiting way too long so hey are you my caucasian i'm not you're part white
06:25:20.840
right no okay well then are you my ambiguous racial homie group you're our girl you were being
06:25:29.820
rude to me earlier now you're like trying i wasn't being rude lady shut it that's what you said to me
06:25:35.960
okay you were interrupting you're interrupting all right let's let me get through this guys okay i
06:25:41.140
gotta scroll all the way back to let all these chats come through so one moment here while i get
06:25:47.240
these chats pulled up and we're gonna have who here has a good reading voice
06:25:51.940
okay we'll have you read them if you can see them okay from josh brooks it's it's right here
06:25:59.580
can you read that not a life at conception biology denying is not going to make the truth that woman
06:26:07.680
can only birth other human lives not true high mitotic highly differentiated cells rapidly dividing
06:26:17.640
is life yo josh thank you for the message man i do really appreciate i want to apologize for some of
06:26:24.220
you some of you guys sent this in quite a while back a couple hours back but we had to batch them
06:26:29.260
all together just because andrew had a limited time and i wanted to uh not get to uh give him as
06:26:35.480
much time as possible read this one if you can andrew has have less alcohol in its mouth
06:26:40.300
than you've had dick in your mouth chair two i highly doubt that can i have you tilt your mic down
06:26:49.760
if you can tilt it down can i have you tilt your mic down i highly doubt that we got this one from
06:26:54.460
creamy seagull i and i wanted to ask if you could help me find an orthodox church near me that can guide
06:27:01.340
me through the process i picked up rachel's book and very much am looking forward to getting into
06:27:06.920
it cheers brian creamy i apologize that uh andrew did have to leave here so i apologize that he didn't
06:27:12.120
get to respond to this but uh i'm sure if you dm him and you say that you had sent in a super chat
06:27:17.980
while he was live with us he will uh i imagine he'll give you the answer privately you can probably
06:27:24.080
also reach out to rachel for that thank you creamy uh that sounds weird fucking saying that but
06:27:28.200
i said that before andrew said it conception begins at the erection and yes then no one
06:27:35.900
believes you are the smartest one at the table chair two i never said i was the smartest one
06:27:40.200
erection i just probably am the most awake person here she's the most awake woman at the table there
06:27:46.380
you go thank you just gerald appreciate it chair three giving major lot lizard vibes but once the lot
06:27:52.800
lost interest she has to move to only granny what only granny what is a lot lizard can what is a lot
06:28:00.880
lizard i don't know what that is you know what it is truck drivers like yeah exactly man and hell
06:28:06.480
no right oh sorry they travel man and truck drivers go to like different lots yes there's ladies that
06:28:14.140
you know provide services okay i've never done that in my whole uh we have mike davis not the burger king
06:28:21.180
different mike davis chair one by far 10 i make one million a year been all over the world so trust
06:28:28.580
me i have seen a lot she's intelligent beautiful talented humble optimistic a must-have and very rare
06:28:34.760
you're perfect don't change was he like joking no he's been donating the whole time no i think he's
06:28:41.920
actually trying to thank you hit me up oh shit she is single newly single right i think you
06:28:48.820
the guy you were dating wait you're saying there's a team we weren't dating but yeah you're seeing him
06:28:55.460
he uh yeah we have mike davis again uh-oh chair one coming from a million dollar man you are an
06:29:02.780
absolute angel you're intelligent and very rare i would let you stay home and do you you would be
06:29:08.200
always be my number one you deserve anything and everything do you oh my god i think these are
06:29:13.220
jokes no it's not no it's not bitch you should actually i'm waiting for like the next drain his
06:29:18.240
bank account hold on mike davis send in a champagne pop as a simp tax you say you're a millionaire you
06:29:25.740
know what hold on send it to me no no no no no zip it zip it she's not going to be a sugar baby
06:29:35.180
like you that's called pay pig status so well that's even worse uh even better you don't have
06:29:40.200
to do shit we need a bottle of crystal pops it's one ethereum my wallet is in the description mike
06:29:46.120
davis you got to pay the simp tax uh we'll do a cheers to you and uh yeah so shout out though
06:29:53.160
that's the simp tax one ethereum for a bottle of crystal we have clay in here if you can read this
06:29:59.460
one i have i drank enough i have decided i can only i can fix chair two totally do everything for
06:30:05.800
her house car food only stipulation she has to change her body count to less than 50. nope it's 468
06:30:16.740
sorry sorry what uh one more time my body count is 468
06:30:23.960
multiply it by three and that's the real number
06:30:28.400
that's congrats thank you thank you very much i'm not like stop it
06:30:33.980
i'm just being honest you want you want good faith brian i've been good faith no i believe you
06:30:38.880
i've been like actually like i've been sincere this whole time three marriages i can't believe three
06:30:44.320
dudes were that stupid but fake it tits it makes sense um four filters from a blind man still
06:31:02.680
right wait did i did we do this one how much to kick this ring pop
06:31:21.020
what's your is your name erica what's your actual name
06:31:23.600
my government is erica but everyone calls me et
06:31:29.340
yeah but i don't think it's directed at her then
06:31:42.300
oh uh you know what why don't we have uh jazz can i have you read these
06:31:46.780
as a medical professional i have some questions about the abortion argument for these smart women
06:31:53.640
one clump of cells name one thing that has cells other than living organisms
06:31:58.260
two conception and dna new dna of a baby isn't mom only a host and baby not part of body
06:32:04.240
anybody want to bite on that or quick response i guess emotional damage
06:32:11.380
uh thank you emotional damage i don't think anybody wants to bite on the abortion debate i do
06:32:17.860
appreciate it really quick guys the medical professional guys read is 100 tts is 200
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someone else bought a t-shirt and somebody else bought what looks like a t-shirt so thank you guys
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really appreciate all your support get yourself a big labia matter hoodie uh shop.whatever.com if
06:34:10.800
you want to support the show uh also big labia matter and then we did this one from stifler now
06:34:17.620
we'll get back to the super chats guys if you want get a streamlabs message in streamlabs.com
06:34:21.720
slash whatever uh youtube takes a 30 cut so they're taking 30 of this so if you want more of your
06:34:27.040
patronage to go towards the show streamlabs.com slash whatever uh he's clearly not rich if he's
06:34:31.920
donating a hundred dollars are you calling patrick a broke i'm calling you a brokey okay you would
06:34:37.180
have donated the 900 he's being very generous oh i don't think i appreciate a hundred dollars baby
06:34:42.360
you should donate the 9 000 to kick me c1 and c2 any life is better life oh is better than no life
06:34:48.780
just because you're poor doesn't give you the right to murder your arguments are absolutely disgusting
06:34:52.840
and may god have mercy on your souls your testimony will certainly fall short when comes
06:34:56.980
your day of judgment yo patrick hey don't be nice to patrick he's the homie uh thank you
06:35:02.980
patrick slide into my dms and argue me them oh my god this girl is something else uh go ahead and
06:35:09.020
read this one from lucas please oh god he's your biggest fan i can't claim to know if you're here
06:35:13.080
for comic relief if so i guess you succeeded my wife is convulsing in delirious laughter every time
06:35:19.660
you open your mouth and all she wanted was to chill out and watch the podcast not the sharpest tool in the
06:35:23.740
shed are you the only time she convulses she doesn't get off on your dick okay that's it
06:35:30.360
you don't want to shoot shots back yeah you want to respond it's a compliment to call me funny i mean i
06:35:35.260
i think i'm funny okay thank you lucas appreciate it uh we'll read this from rachel if you can
06:35:40.700
me yeah if you can read this one ten dollars broke the solution is if the woman keeps her mouth
06:35:48.200
shut and doesn't fight there won't be fights if you submit like you're supposed to there's pretty
06:35:52.240
much no fighting raise your hand here at the table if you agree with rachel wilson um she's got
06:35:57.380
veneers a little bit what does that have to okay it means that she acts like she's not like to like
06:36:04.100
she doesn't care about that shit but like you clearly care about looks if you went and got veneers and
06:36:08.300
like she like posts pictures like menopausal sea hag please chill out you know nothing andrew is right
06:36:14.380
there are a shit ton of studies that confirm andrew's claim a recent prominent study is by the
06:36:18.860
brookings institutions economist melissa kearney called the two-parent privilege do
06:36:24.000
your homework yo lucas thank you for the super chat appreciate it if you can read this one thank
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you lucas w's in the chat for lucas man thank you chair one guys avoid this kind of women no substance
06:36:35.560
just repeating nonsense chair two absolute filth doing the only thing she's capable of classifying
06:36:42.540
women like this one as germs chair three we can feel the hot flash through this hold on you couldn't
06:36:47.660
even afford to touch my asshole is that a thing you offer i'm a virgin in my asshole okay i'm saving
06:36:56.460
it for my second marriage if i do get married wait you've been married i've never been married but if
06:37:00.640
i do get married i'd save it for my second marriage she's got plans she's already thinking ahead yeah
06:37:06.940
yeah she's she she looks to the future um i gotta call you out emotional damage i gotta call you out
06:37:13.360
emotional damage the first sentence here now you've either fucked up this and you meant these
06:37:19.500
kind of women this or you meant to say this kind of woman w-o-m-a-n emotional damage you have to pay
06:37:28.040
the fucking up the woman women woman woman thing you gotta pay the tax on that it's common mistake you
06:37:35.000
messed it up you messed it up emotional damage uh if you can read this one from rachel please i'm so
06:37:40.420
tired of the mess that women didn't have a choice other than to be homemakers prior to feminism this
06:37:44.840
is historically false anyone who says this is not educated on the subject don't you have three baby
06:37:48.880
daddies oh is this andrew's wife yeah i didn't know that this whole time she has multiple baby daddies
06:37:54.620
and she's out here trying to preach the oh my god like this girl be fucking for real wait you're
06:38:00.540
calling her out on that how fucking yeah hold on you're wait she tries like go off on women and it's
06:38:07.660
like girl you've had multiple baby daddies and you don't even have all right all right all right
06:38:12.080
all right go ahead talk about life on easy mode chick can literally set a guy on fire and the media
06:38:18.380
will use a photo of her smiling laughing cheesing i doubt that i'm wrong but i can't imagine any media
06:38:23.880
outlet using a photo of a guy smiling if he admitted to setting a chick on fire it's facts who's he
06:38:30.500
talking about christopher thank you for your super chat man you're a legend the guy on murder is he on a train
06:38:35.500
are you on a train there is that a train or a bus where are you going dude on the train where's he
06:38:41.380
going where where's christopher going all right thank you christopher kaiser saws thank you for the
06:38:46.120
super chat the media has shown a serial killer smiling from his bathroom selfie that would be
06:38:51.920
brian koburger who was documented taking a selfie of him smiling after um washing them well he's not
06:38:59.120
convicted yeah right i will just the alleged the alleged murder i i'll just say that if they are
06:39:04.460
smiling they're gonna show it you're they're usually not smiling you bought the same knife with the same
06:39:09.720
sheath i'm just saying that if if if there's a photo of them smiling male or female there it is
06:39:17.220
you know uh do you want to read this one jazz um what's with the chick suking on that you wish it was
06:39:24.700
your little peen just a ring pop all right they do uh we got this one from rachel if you can read
06:39:35.360
this one chair one stop lying neither andrew nor brian ever said that the only thing women are good
06:39:40.180
for is having babies which yeah we discussed they both say women can do plenty of other things but
06:39:44.100
should prioritize having babies which i disagree with which i disagree with very rude that shouldn't
06:39:48.560
be the priority she literally has podcasts where she's literally but i but i definitely see you
06:39:52.520
guys's point did he as they're told yeah prioritizing having babies bring me back i'll argue that woman
06:39:58.940
i'm not sure what happened to the audio coastal the for some reason like towards the end of the show the
06:40:04.260
audio uh from the speakers just gets scuffed i don't know why i'll have to look into it um there's a
06:40:10.420
few more super chats before i do them though okay i always get i don't know if it
06:40:21.980
should i should i ask the question no okay i'll fuck i'll just ask the next time i'll come back
06:40:33.880
brian actually you know what fuck it hold on maybe a different show i'll do it okay uh if you can read
06:40:37.960
this jazz i always say stupid shit it's funny how every time andrew or brian asked for a specific
06:40:43.720
example of their supposed misogyny the response is well meh feelings perception from your tone when
06:40:48.460
you talk to the women's the women's is misogynistic
06:40:51.880
one shot yeah again i came unprepared this was kind of like what the what the you got i was told
06:40:59.220
well i wasn't prepared i wasn't told that my receipts would be brought up and we'd be debating
06:41:03.340
i thought this was a dating show because anyway i was just under false pretenses all right we'll have
06:41:08.360
you back then how's that sound round two yeah all right she's she will come back uh if you can read
06:41:14.240
this one please thank you chair two you never got pregged because of chronic vd ain't no venereal
06:41:20.680
disease ain't no rich men gonna sleep surprisingly looking drunk like you you're just jealous of real
06:41:27.820
women these are just you're just jealous of the real woman sitting in chair five you can never be
06:41:34.500
her no matter how much clorox you clorox yep she's a lysol girl first of all yeah i think so
06:41:41.160
yeah totally thank you motion i use i use condoms i have custom condoms nope nope don't don't don't do
06:41:47.700
it why won't you let me fucking chair one you live in an echo chamber your worldview has been
06:41:52.740
categorically rejected i get that it's traumatic but do you recall election night what worldview are
06:41:58.080
men gravitating towards slash voting for your ideology is an outlier and on the cusp of the dustbin of
06:42:03.520
history thank you lucas well lucas raises an interesting point because you said that
06:42:07.280
in our conversations you said you don't want to like legitimize these worldviews but i mean
06:42:12.940
these worldviews have been legitimized almost literally through the election of donald trump
06:42:19.680
sure i don't personally i don't i mean it's we don't have a true democracy there are many um
06:42:25.360
obstacles in the way of certain demographics of people that don't allow them to vote yes we have
06:42:30.220
equal opportunity to but we don't have equal access to opportunity to vote so a certain demographic of
06:42:35.520
people tend to vote more and show up to the polls more there are is much research done on this and
06:42:41.440
um if everyone were to vote they've done polls on this as well uh the election wouldn't have been as
06:42:48.580
uh skewed towards that kind of ideology or specifically donald trump sure uh okay we got
06:42:55.600
this one from maga rambe thank you for that two hundred dollar soup chat thank you so much man if
06:43:00.980
you want to read this one in 30 years chair one and two will be chair three chair sorry chair five
06:43:08.340
will be watching her grandkids learn how to walk at their country home who is happier
06:43:12.320
i'm in my one of my sugar daddy's will so i doubt that oh sorry are you in a sugar daddy's will
06:43:17.880
oh you're probably not you need a i know you're not a natural beauty but i think with the right
06:43:26.400
clothes the right look you could be very striking the white wit and the right mouth does you well
06:43:32.900
she was the mouth that got away yep okay thank you maga rambe appreciate it thank you thank you
06:43:41.260
uh intel if you pop a champagne can you give uh you know what if you have multiple sugar
06:43:47.760
dice tonight girl congrats to you you're a sugar baby i love it welcome intel do you have ethereum
06:43:53.720
intel do you have ethereum pop a bottle of crystal and i'll give 500 of it to her wow we have a new
06:44:00.680
initiative in the sugar baby club everybody that is generous 500 of your 10k come on matt it's not uh
06:44:08.380
it's not 10 000 that's not the eth price but um if i can have you read this one from lucas
06:44:14.240
yes chair five you are a wonderful young lady hands down the most beautiful on the entire panel and
06:44:19.680
undoubtedly your husband is a handsome virtuous man you both have bright future pay no heed to this
06:44:24.840
insignificant bottom feeder i agree i think you're beautiful but i also think you're groomed which is
06:44:30.900
a different do you want to respond to that savannah thank you lucas that's really sweet thank you lucas
06:44:35.580
appreciate it thank you thank you man we got cat big 200 super chat appreciate it thank you cat
06:44:41.500
chat doesn't claim mike davis do better bud oh man cat and she outbid him like she gave so much more
06:44:47.880
money by the way cat thank you again for those gifted 50 memberships from earlier really appreciate
06:44:52.280
it uh and then we have this one from hey you you can read this one jazz chair two rachel has multiple
06:44:58.380
children who love her and appreciate their mom chair five has a loving husband and will build a loving
06:45:03.200
family with him you had a man who saw you for who you are and doesn't love you anymore how does it
06:45:08.520
feel to have so little love in your life he loves me bitch uh hey you thank you for the soup chat i
06:45:15.200
really appreciate it doesn't love me uh oh read this one read that wait oh my god besties i love you guys
06:45:24.140
those are my best friends wait brian i'm gonna have him come on yeah have him come on do you know
06:45:27.900
hate a rachel oh you don't no it's kind of i love you guys shout out to the blackout girls
06:45:33.620
where are the blackout girls yes uh ring pop and betty white uh thank you for your super chat
06:45:40.760
yes uh yeah okay guys if you want to get a chat in 200 tts 200 oh let's do the ai we're going to do
06:45:52.320
the ai this is one of our favorite segments so we've aged advanced all of you a lot of you said
06:45:58.520
you're going to be better looking in 10 20 30 40 50 years so we've ai aged all of you it's going to
06:46:04.420
give me sun damage that i'm not dear mary if you could so kindly pull up it's probably the nicest
06:46:11.440
can we do brian too there's no way you don't have brian we did brian he uses an old photo i've
06:46:22.180
watched the pond she's an og watcher she knows i i watch she watches the shit i'm chronically online
06:46:28.540
why don't you send in super chats what the fuck i gave you i give you all if you want money i'll give
06:46:33.320
it to you bro we got pizza for her she was like yo can can we get anyways whatever uh pull it up
06:46:38.140
do you want me to be your sugar mama brian i will i know you don't like when you don't like to buy
06:46:42.380
dates also when was that taken that's crazy i'm not trying to date you but i'm not trying to date
06:46:48.020
you but i'll take you out my god there's no way that's crazy like 70 40 in the middle stop oh okay
06:46:55.900
i'm so scared right now 70 in the last one i won't make it that long please don't this is gonna be
06:47:02.480
you you become whiter somehow like that i don't whiter i don't like this i'm so scared i guess i
06:47:08.180
don't know no you don't this is horrifying it won't happen you know man you can't say no you don't
06:47:13.820
where are you looking no you don't man i'm already i'm already fucking 52 man you can't do this
06:47:20.680
you can't do this to me man i have really bad body dysmorphia i can't see you can't man like i
06:47:27.260
right you can't do this no well you have to see it now wait it's gonna fuck no tap over tap over
06:47:32.380
tap over i'm so scared go over yeah wait make you gotta make these bigger that's so no you're cool
06:47:38.140
you're cool you're fucking cool man now see me let me see me man let me see me random come on brian
06:47:45.980
wait mary are they are they gonna need the size adjusted on all mary okay yeah can we know i want
06:47:52.140
to go just are they good i should just i should just are they good fucking uber a while ago this is
06:47:58.380
crazy wait mary are they good anywhere okay i'll give you one sec to fix those guys like the video
06:48:04.380
let's go out oh boy wait question did you um you know like how there's in high school there's like
06:48:12.440
alternative schools no i never did that were you suspended when you when you get oh were you
06:48:18.920
like ever suspended or a few times were you a troublemaker in high school it was only because
06:48:23.840
i so i had a um i don't you can't say the word on the podcast but i accused him of being of the
06:48:28.880
thing that goes for children and he ended up being right and he went to jail for it i was right
06:48:34.500
okay all right are they ready to go mary all right here we'll we'll leave it though on this one
06:48:39.780
there's another look that's crazy can we go on okay next person all right next person tab over
06:48:44.620
it gives me actual anxiety oh wait is there a different i don't like that oh my god girl
06:48:51.020
it's not accurate you look good you look good hell no all right i'm scared all right
06:48:57.020
selvia what is he nope look at that pretty oh my god
06:49:02.820
i'm gonna drive home i'm gonna drive home now the chat is seeing this yeah they're seeing this yeah
06:49:20.080
i'm dead listen if i ever come here and drive home i'm done you look good actually i am done
06:49:26.540
i'm gonna drive home it's not awful you look good did you do i'm driving though mary you'll be
06:49:31.480
we'll get there yeah she'll be fine yeah man all right next you look good girl you look good too
06:49:37.920
everybody else looks good i'm going home i you know to be fair i actually want to pay you a compliment
06:49:46.020
you're 45 you look younger than 45 i agree she looks amazing yeah you look really good
06:49:54.880
carla what do you think you and i know the middle looks good the last one looks crazy
06:50:03.200
no one looks that bad to me the middle looks really good besides my own should we play music
06:50:16.260
oh you look crazy that's actually exactly how you're gonna look wait you said wait didn't you
06:50:22.760
say you were gonna be better looking at 60 yeah i think that like that's not right right there
06:50:27.800
she's gonna look better but aging is beautiful i believe that with the right skin care and also
06:50:33.440
yeah and also like um i wasn't really thinking about just the face i was thinking about the body
06:50:38.900
itself the body is gonna be better at 60 yes because you want kids yes i do she's a fitness
06:50:44.920
instructor after kids and at 60 it's possible even even if you didn't have kids it goes back
06:50:52.000
she does fitness and she eats i'm sorry there's no there's no 60 year old that's like out competing
06:50:58.240
well body at like i tried it i think like when you're 50 to 60 you can still look really good
06:51:07.940
i have a fitness friend i don't remember her name but she looks ancient people are tight me
06:51:14.520
no not you all right uh here you know what i'll i'll even make the argument i was better looking when i
06:51:20.660
was younger mary you gotta pull up mary pull up ryan how old are you again uh 36 what year
06:51:28.160
i'm not gonna say my i don't pull up my there's in the tabs there's a photo of me
06:51:35.840
young brian or something it's like do you know what i'm talking about oh you're at 89
06:51:43.160
what a lot of shit man i'm 52 man do you have it go ahead you just i don't know here it's like
06:51:54.700
one of the earlier tabs earlier tabs it's like do you have it you need to go for a little walk in
06:51:59.300
the sun i'm wearing a blue shirt you're gonna see it just tab through tab through you look that good
06:52:04.720
you look that good we have to see this young brian i'm not saying that was good i was better
06:52:11.060
looking i'm i was we don't that one's better looking 10 years ago oh who is that that's you
06:52:17.860
that's me is that how old are you oh i was like 22 21 really right and you're still in your prime
06:52:25.100
right you've been 30 you look like the ultimate fuck boy thanks jazz yes and then hold on pull up
06:52:30.200
my instagram pull up my instagram yeah wait do you have a golden retriever brian yes brian i did
06:52:37.620
or i did i did big brian uh this is scroll to the very bottom oh my god scroll to the very bottom
06:52:43.660
uh scroll keep scrolling keep scrolling keep scrolling keep scrolling look at young brian
06:52:49.040
what happened uh let's see here scroll down yeah i know right scroll down it's giving like a fuck
06:52:59.040
boy okay scroll up a little bit all right this is that's like 18 with the 18 19 with the green
06:53:05.640
wetsuit scroll up uh 18 19 the wetsuits that's me with the donkey that's me as a kid uh that's me
06:53:14.880
when i started my youtube channel scroll up uh wait scroll down scroll down that's that's me some
06:53:20.640
kid thought i was a famous soccer player so you know young brian scroll up that's me oh click on
06:53:27.480
the the girls are gonna love this one uh click on the angel one oh my look at that yeah click on that
06:53:34.740
one oh god that's young brian 2001 getting catcalled here all right x out of that and then uh scroll
06:53:42.660
scroll up a little bit uh pot or scroll down scroll down young brian still young brian oh
06:53:48.760
oh scroll up scroll up scroll up scroll up scroll up all right anyways whatever uh that you get the
06:53:57.640
idea i was better looking when i was younger usually guys usually guys look better when they get older
06:54:04.820
i agree i think i think you can get back to that i think well i think i'll defy i'll defy that yes
06:54:11.440
normative too okay um oh we were doing the rest of the oh we got to do the age thing go back to the
06:54:18.120
ai thing let's see the rest that's all of them no there's more oh god don't ever do this again
06:54:27.920
oh we do it all the time she's so pretty and it made her look so haggard oh my god
06:54:32.220
don't ever do that yeah right yeah everyone looks terrible good word by the way no haggard
06:54:39.740
haggard good word it's true i know next that word is offended wait where's me
06:54:48.000
nice you know look i'm gonna lose a bit of weight so it's gonna be good
06:54:59.540
next oh now here's what we're doing here's the next segment here's the next segment
06:55:08.380
would you date the male version of you we've ai we've put you guys through the most advanced
06:55:15.660
ai it's off the same picture this is so annoying oh my god
06:55:26.880
hold on let me see oh my wait mike davis i missed the stream labs hold on mike davis one
06:55:42.180
all right pop champagne i'll pop a i'll pop share one
06:56:07.700
she only she dm'd i think that the whatever tiktok
06:56:17.040
you should get more into like the streaming like kick
06:56:25.940
you know what we yeah we're actually she's gonna become part of the
06:57:29.940
because i've been doing content for over a decade
07:29:40.060
you know what here play we gotta play the bow video we need the bow video e.t we need erica we need you for the bow video take
07:30:17.360
Obviously, I know you don't care about everybody's ears.
07:30:26.000
Like, actually, do you want to, like, actually, no.
07:31:03.960
I shouldn't have done the Macho Man Randy Savage bit.
07:31:22.500
You're the one fucking everybody's talking about.
07:33:47.360
Here, Erica, Erica, just walk away for just five minutes.
07:34:23.220
I mean, I've never been here, and I don't know her, and she knows you, man.
07:34:34.000
So, I don't know anybody, and I don't know anybody, man.
07:35:05.740
Yeah, but you're yelling in my fucking ear, and I'm, like, up to it.
07:35:39.420
When your daughter becomes an adult, like 18, 19, 20, and if she were to come to you and
07:35:44.120
say, I'm thinking of starting an OnlyFans, would you tell her not to?
07:35:49.080
She don't care because she knows my OnlyFans page.
07:35:51.580
See, you guys are all about, you know, assuming about how everything's a page are, you know?
07:36:01.040
And OnlyFans, if you go on OnlyFans, there's a lot of things that go on.
07:36:08.980
I'm asking if your daughter, once she becomes an adult, if she came to you, she's like, hey,
07:36:30.300
You said that you had a sugar daddy 30 years your senior for four years.
07:36:43.700
So, this was like, I'm asking you guys, like, how far are you going to go back?
07:37:28.700
You're getting in her physical bubble, her physical space.
07:37:32.180
If you want to kick me out of here, kick me out of here.
07:37:35.120
I'm not going to sit here and fucking do this shit with you.
07:37:41.580
I'm going to go to Pismo tomorrow and enjoy myself.
07:37:52.660
That way I can get out of this fucking chair and go home.
07:39:14.080
Keep them entertained while I step away for a brief moment?
07:39:19.920
I was going to say something funny, but I don't want them to hear me.
07:39:27.000
Oldest woman on the show acts like a 12-year-old.
07:39:44.240
I think everyone on the show tonight is super beautiful and, like, super intelligent.
07:39:49.420
You've got to learn how to hold your alcohol at 52.
07:40:44.080
So, I wrote a book about how to deal with the most toxic people.
07:40:47.080
It's called Outsmarting Egomaniacs, How to Respond to Narcissists and Master Manipulators.
07:40:54.100
And it'll help you deal with the most impossible people in your life.
07:41:03.320
Are they able to chat without, like, paying for it?
07:41:09.160
I think so, but I think to read them, it has to be, like, 100 bucks.
07:41:12.660
I think for the regular chat, it's, like, $6 a month.
07:41:19.560
What's, like, a deep burning question we could ask and go around the table?
07:41:49.480
I really like doing content creation, and I'm in the fitness niche, so I think I still want
07:41:56.040
I do fitness stuff, so I post, like, workouts and, like, motivational stuff, but I've been
07:42:01.220
doing, like, creation kind of everywhere since I was, like, five years old, so, yeah, it's,
07:42:07.460
If I could make a living out of it, that would be awesome.
07:42:15.380
Wait, I have a question, if you don't mind me asking.
07:42:23.360
Like, were they supportive of you getting married so early?
07:42:27.520
Um, I, like, I originally had a lot of academic scholarships, and I was actually going to go
07:42:34.520
to Oregon University, which is, like, really random, but I turned all of my scholarships
07:42:40.020
down and ended up not wanting to go to college, and that was, like, the first thing that they
07:42:44.600
were, like, uh, like, what are you doing with your life, and I, my parents always told me
07:42:49.600
I had to get a college degree before I ever, like, moved on to the next thing, like, marriage.
07:42:54.180
They're, like, you have to have a college degree, or we're not going to bless your marriage,
07:42:58.060
So I said that, and then, like, two months later, I was, like, by the way, I'm getting
07:43:00.780
married at 18 as well, and they took it better than I think most, like, a lot of modern
07:43:09.100
But I'm also just very strong-willed, and, like, when I want to do something, I just, like, do
07:43:14.600
But aren't you, like, afraid, because I kind of want to do some things that you've
07:43:22.880
Yeah, this really, like, not, I don't know if it's perfect, like, I think every relationship
07:43:26.940
is kind of, you know, but it seems, like, really nice, but, um, like, aren't you afraid
07:43:34.160
of what happens with the value with your family and stuff like that?
07:43:40.240
So, do you mean, like, our, my relationship with my family?
07:43:45.040
I think, like, getting, because I never, like, lived on my own.
07:43:48.740
Like, I moved straight out of my parents' house.
07:43:52.200
So, I think actually, like, moving away and starting my own life made our relationship
07:43:56.860
better because now they see, like, first of all, they love my husband.
07:44:01.960
And also, um, they've seen that we can build a life together and, like, create something
07:44:08.200
I'm sure they had doubts in the beginning of, like, how are they going to do this?
07:44:10.840
Like, they're just two kids who didn't go to college and, like, it's not normal.
07:44:14.120
Do you have friends that are our age that, like, support you?
07:44:19.640
But outside of that, all of our friends are older as in, like, 24 to 28 range.
07:44:27.240
But no, no one is married in my friend group yet.
07:44:33.880
There's one couple that is, but in my, like, immediate friend group, we're the only married
07:44:51.960
Since Brian doesn't put our, uh, Instagrams in the description.
07:45:25.460
Me and Savannah were on the plane together this morning, like, sitting right next to each
07:45:30.120
You guys, like, like, talks because you saw her watching the podcast, right?
07:45:32.920
She was watching the whatever podcast, and I was like, she's either a fan or she's going
07:45:45.180
Oh, see, like, I, like, selected a seat randomly.
07:45:50.300
I don't know why, because I always end up in the middle when I do that, but it's like,
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Is this going to go down as Brian's most chaotic?
07:46:15.360
Also, I can't imagine how you're feeling as someone who hasn't watched or known the show
07:46:50.400
I don't even know how many live streamers they usually have, like, views.
07:46:56.180
Well, how's everybody feeling, the therapist asks.
07:47:28.960
Stop being younger, hotter, and better than anybody, okay?
07:47:44.760
Yeah, so we've been awake for 24 hours right now.
07:47:51.440
Oh, and, like, you seem like you'd be a part of, like, his thing.
07:48:05.180
Yeah, but it's, like, he's a singer, and he promotes, like, Jesus and Christianity.
07:48:17.540
If you're watching this, he's probably going to see this if you want.
07:48:19.680
But if anybody scrolls to the very end of the podcast, this is what.
07:48:24.160
No, Jimmy's going to be pissed about everything I said.
07:48:29.460
Is it not common where you're from that people marry young?
07:48:49.640
I just think my parents and my immediate family were always very career-driven.
07:48:56.460
But the smaller towns in Florida and, like, north or south Georgia, definitely people get it.
07:49:33.820
Wait, I low-key feel bad, but I don't because I don't have sympathy.
07:49:50.680
I mean, like, it's not, like, you know, controversial, but we've been chatting about each other's lives.
07:50:03.300
She, uh, yeah, and then it was just, um, what the fuck?
07:50:26.280
I kind of want to, uh, try to finish this up here soon.
07:50:49.140
Is that the girl that fucks, like, thousands of guys?
07:51:06.780
Now you're ready to end it because your views went down.
07:51:10.480
Just fucking had to deal with that crazy fucking lady.
07:51:14.140
I think you should do a no alcohol rule on the show.
07:51:24.420
That was the sound in the trash can, by the way.
07:51:29.060
I've been drinking, so we're not going to end the no alcohol rule.
07:51:35.480
Well, the only times we, like, we don't offer alcohol.
07:51:42.020
The only time, like, if there's a champagne pop on the show, yes.
07:51:49.060
And like, there were three or four champagne pops.
07:51:57.540
And like, who knows what she was doing in the restroom.
07:52:00.940
Because like, the amount of champagne she had was like a cup of champagne.
07:52:06.280
She went in the restroom for a long day, by the way, was her shoving the rum bottle down there.
07:52:11.380
And that was in the first, like, two or three hours.
07:52:13.900
So like, right away, she drank a whole bottle of rum.
07:52:43.120
Just get, swap a, get a different seat, seat booster for Felicity.
07:53:22.080
This was after a really long, exhausting podcast.
07:53:33.740
She's hot, but she dresses like an Amish princess.
07:53:52.440
Going around the table, would you bow for your boyfriend or husband?
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I do it as a gesture sometimes, but I only bow to God.
07:54:16.360
But I thought you said you'd be submissive to your husband.
07:54:19.880
I think it's cute, but not in the way that I worship.
07:54:43.200
Well, if he asked me, would you bow right now for me, sweetie?
07:55:10.580
It's obviously indicative of another characteristic trait if he's bowed to me now.
07:55:17.260
I think most really good men don't say it, like, bow to me, like, you better worship
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One of your main characteristics that you want in a female?
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You know, the thing is, is that ultimately the bow's not that important.
07:55:40.760
What it is, though, is a temperature check for her agreeableness and then her cooperativeness.
07:55:47.080
So, it really, ultimately, the bow, it's not about the bow itself.
07:55:55.680
Will she do a totally effortless, completely benign, harmless act just for the sake of doing
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Well, this is the compromise I'd be willing to make.
07:56:23.180
I say, for the perfect woman, even I would be willing to bow to her.
07:56:33.840
But, like, for the perfect woman, there's a lot of things I would be willing to compromise
07:56:42.760
Weren't you advocating for, like, a Western society that doesn't really go along the lines
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What's the most controversial thing you'd compromise?
07:57:20.640
Jazz, have you ever had a, like, a sneaky link?
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Like a guy who you just start seeing and it's just casual sex, basically?
07:57:38.860
Have you had, like, more than one one-night stand?
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It wasn't a one-night stand, like, you continued to see the guy.
07:57:54.260
Not on, like, the first date, but there was situations where, like, we were hanging out,
07:58:02.620
And then there happened to be a night where we hooked up, and then after that we were together.
07:58:14.160
What I don't understand when it comes to the bow is, you guys will, maybe this isn't the
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case for all of you, but I think if you ask a lot of women who refuse to do the bow,
07:58:28.740
It's like, you'll let a man put his penis inside of you.
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One of the most intimate things that you can really do.
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And it's a mixture of being overworked, full-time student, and a lot of alcohol.
07:58:56.200
Y'all will let a guy hit, but you won't do the bow?
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Well, our standards are different now, maybe if you asked me back then, but I don't know.
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No, I know, but it's like, you did, and a lot of other women who have objections to
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this whole benign bow thing, they'll suck a dick within a minute, two minutes, three minutes.
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Does it make you feel less than if you bow to a man?
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I question why they're asking me to bow to them, so that they feel superior.
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If you ask a man to stop following women on Instagram, is it, like, the same?
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If you ask a man to not follow women on Instagram, and then he's like, okay, bow to me.
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You don't have to change anything about yourself.
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I honestly don't want to talk about my sexual experiences on here.
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I mean, I don't think you should just submit to any man, right?
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Like, I don't think you should submit to your boyfriend.
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But a marriage doesn't work without a submissive wife.
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If it does work, it's much, much harder to make it work.
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Did you ever submit to a man before your husband?
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I think it's also like naturally you want to do things for them.
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Like he doesn't even have to ask me of anything.
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Being proactive and anticipating your man's needs.
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Submission only works, like you're saying, if he's a good guy who's taking care of you
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So, this idea of just submissive in general, if you're doing that with a controlling egomaniac...
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But what you're talking about, your husband's probably a wonderful guy because it sounds
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like you're very happy and it's working really well.
08:02:06.220
I don't think there's any problem with being submissive to a good guy who loves and respects
08:02:15.300
I think like if you want to be submissive and he respects you and takes good care of you
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back and that's a dynamic that works for you guys, that's beautiful.
08:02:25.400
But submission just across the board with any...
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He better be a good guy is what I'm saying because if you put yourself in that role with
08:02:33.420
a guy who is comfortable taking advantage of you or is egocentric and not taking care
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of you back, well then I can't imagine how that would be a happy, fulfilling relationship.
08:02:48.440
It would be like a power struggle in that sense.
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And I think a lot of women will say things like, my husband's just not a good leader.
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But they've never actually let him lead and like actually submitted.
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And they think that submission is something that is earned when it is given through the
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So you just submit to your husband because you trust that God blessed you with that husband
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Is there any reality where that man isn't living up to that standard of like leading
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actually and like you're letting him do it, but he's just not like...
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I will say that beginning of our marriage, there were a couple of decisions my husband
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Off the top of my head, like one was financial.
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But at the time we were considering, but ultimately I gave the decision to him.
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That's like one I can think of off the top of my head, but the other one was probably
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But yeah, I would say that the goal is for them to learn from that mistake and then to
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Especially like me getting married so young, we're still figuring out life together.
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So I don't expect every single decision to be perfect, but I trust him to make that decision
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Would there have ever been a breaking point for you if he kept kind of making those mistakes
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Whatever you would consider like, I don't know, taking time apart or sitting him down
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and being like, hey, seriously, we need to consider making better decisions rather than
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I guess what would be your divorce breaking point?
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Divorce isn't an option for me under any circumstance in my marriage.
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Like I called you a bitch earlier, but I meant like I say bitch to everyone.
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So I like if you took it to August 1st, you're like very bad bitch vibes.
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Like if a man cheated on you, you would tolerate?
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I think that that would be probably the hardest thing I went through in my marriage,
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I think women should fold laundry on the first date.
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I think men should show that they're capable of folding an article of clothing on the first date.
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I think in a dating relationship, like boyfriend-girlfriend, you shouldn't be doing too many wifey things for him before marriage
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And I'm not saying that you shouldn't do anything.
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I cooked for my boyfriend when we were dating all the time.
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But when you live as you're married before you actually get married, you're prematurely submitting to that man.
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If you get the milk for free, why would you buy the cow?
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You're dating to get married, so you're going to practice being married.
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I suppose it could be related to other things, but it's kind of...
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That's really always that analogy, I guess, has always been about sex.
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When you speak about that, it comes from sex, but she's saying it could be about that, too.
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So y'all will say, well, in order for me to be submissive and feminine and all these traits or whatever,
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I need to meet the right man first who I feel safe doing that with.
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Now, I'm not saying that you should be submissive to any guy,
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but this idea that you're going to be like this super masculine woman,
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but then wait until you're in a safe environment with a guy to be feminine,
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is crazy in the same way that if the guy said something like,
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well, you know, I am a masculine man, and I am a leader, and I am a provider, and I am a protector,
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but I'm only that way until I feel safe enough to do so with a specific woman.
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Is that towards my argument about, like, or what exactly...
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Well, you're saying, like, well, I need to hold back certain things like being submissive,
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or I don't know what the other things are, until we're married.
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And so, to me, it's just this weird conditional, but, like, men can't get away with that.
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Men can't say, well, I'm really dominant and masculine and a leader and assertive,
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but until then, I'm going to be feminine, and I'm going to be not assertive,
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and I'm not going to be a leader until I feel safe enough to do so with the woman.
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You wouldn't even get far enough in a relationship with a woman if you're not willing to do all those things on the front end, up front.
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So, I think in the same way that women expect men to do these things up front, I think women should do the things up front, too.
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Well, let me revert it back to men real quick, because I think the same for men.
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I don't think men should be providing fully for a woman while they're dating.
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Like, I don't think that he should be putting a roof over her head or getting her pregnant or whatever else, you know, a husband does in a marriage.
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So, I'm not saying hold everything back, but I'm saying there's something about marriage that makes it so sacred,
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and when you give pieces of yourself to people that are not your husband and wife, for women, of course,
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like, it lowers their chance of pair bonding with their husband.
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And also, I think it creates resentment for women if they're prematurely submitting in a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship,
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because they don't have a ring on their finger, so they don't have that safety provision and protection that they would have in marriage.
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But it's like, oh, I'm already giving you, you know, submission as your wife, but you haven't made me your wife yet.
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I mean, I think the trade-off would be giving him kids.
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I don't know if just – so, what – if you're not being submissive, what are you being?
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When I say the word submissive, like, submission, speaking boyfriend-girlfriend,
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I mean, like, it's not the same type of submission you would have with your husband.
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You can still be a caretaker, but not living as husband and wife.
08:10:00.480
Why don't you marry to date, since you were talking about, like, divorce isn't an option for you,
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and then also you're saying, like, if there's a boyfriend and girlfriend situation,
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he shouldn't be 100% providing, and she shouldn't be 100% submissive.
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Why isn't it, like, in Islam where you do marry to date, where you marry and you stay with that woman or husband?
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I just think that this is how, like, that's how we are in the West, where you date for a long time.
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When I say date to marry and that nobody dates to marry anymore, I don't, I think, like, especially around our age,
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it's just like, oh, just let me, let's date for fun.
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Like, let me go on, you know, five dates a month and hook up with these guys and let's just have fun.
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But to me, like, I was always looking for my husband through dating.
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Like, I would never want to just waste my time.
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So I want to get back to the bow thing right here really quick, though.
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And again, I think the woman should do the laundry, first date, do the laundry, clean the house, first date, immediately, hit the bow, boom.
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But everybody here raised their hand when they want the guy to pay for the first date, right?
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So what's the most expensive first date you've ever been on, Jazz?
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And you had an expectation that he paid it, right?
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But I don't understand when it comes to this expectation.
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I would have been fine splitting the bill, but he's the type of guy that is like, you know.
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Sure, but if he had asked, I'm not going to be like, no.
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So to bring it back, all of you, except for her, I guess, all of you have the expectation
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Let's say that a typical first date, let's just say it's 100 bucks, right?
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You know, decent place, a drink or two, dessert, whatever.
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If the guy pays for the whole thing, here's what you're asking of him.
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Let's say he works, and I know some of you are probably dating men who make more than
08:12:31.780
You could be dating a guy who works a retail job.
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You could be dating a guy who's also in college.
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Right, but you would still have this expectation on the other guys who are also in college.
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Let's say he works a construction job and he makes $20 an hour.
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When you women say, I want a guy to pay for the first date, you're saying, and let's say
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the first date costs $100, I want you to physically labor for five hours so you can pay for my
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That's what you're saying when you say, I want men to pay for the first date.
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We'll split that in half because I didn't eat his food.
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When I ask you to do this, and it takes you three seconds to do, it takes no effort.
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A lot of men are in, they're in blue collar jobs.
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They're working dirty, dangerous, disgusting jobs.
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You're suggesting that doing the dishes and laundry isn't labor?
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Well, I'm speaking specifically about the bow, but I would, I would even further argue
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that, uh, doing the laundry takes like, okay, you put in the machine, then you fold it 10,
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That's a very, that's, that's a little different.
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You know, that's a little, that could be a bit more intensive, but what I'm trying to
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get out here in a, as it relates to the objections to the bow, that takes three seconds, no effort.
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You don't break a sweat when you ask a guy to pay for the first date and he works a construction
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You're asking them to work five hours, two and a half hours.
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So, so why is it fair for y'all to say, I want a man, assuming he works a physically
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laborious job to physically labor for two and a half hours?
08:14:24.580
Why is it fair for you to say on the first date that a woman should clean your house and
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If you're expecting me to do your laundry and clean the house, we're putting the same standard
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Why would you do the laundry for a guy you barely, you don't even know?
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You have to go on a date to find out what he's like.
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Are you going to like take her home and say, do my laundry?
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Girl comes over and you're like, oh, let me give you the tour of the house.
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She needs to, or well, it's, it was washed already.
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She's got to transfer it to the dryer and then she has to fold it.
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Cause you paid for her spaghetti and meatballs.
08:15:58.720
And then you just, you look at the, the, the dryer, you look back at her and then you
08:16:13.980
Well, first of all, I wouldn't go to a guy's house.
08:16:18.100
She's like very like, I, from her answers this whole time, like I'm surprised that she's
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Like, I'm not going to go home with a guy on the, after the first date.
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And then he looks at his laundry and I'm like, I'm touching your dirty underwear.
08:16:39.140
Um, I mean, I did his laundry a couple of times while we were dating, but.
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If she doesn't know how to make moccasins, find someone who will.
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If she doesn't knit me a cardigan on the first date.
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First date, she brings you homemade banana bread.
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Does that have like little chocolate chips in it?
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Here's your banana bread, but I'm not coming over to do your lunch.
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Um, yeah, so I, look, I'm just saying, I'm just, look, and I'm going to give you.
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How long does it take you to get ready for a first date?
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You think, you think, you know, it's a lot of work.
08:18:16.840
You put on your big labia matter, it took hours?
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Do you genuinely love big labia, or is it just like a troll mechanism?
08:18:31.000
So like, on a first date, you're like, hey, what are your labia length?
08:18:36.560
Kind of like how a woman could be like, hey, what's your bank account?
08:18:41.200
So asking a girl's labia length is equivalent to asking the bank account if a girl were to
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ask, like, how much money is in your bank account?
08:18:50.000
Well, I'd actually be more likely to just ask her body count.
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Because the labia thing is not the deal breaker.
08:19:05.940
Do girls know, like, what you advocate for when you go on a date with them?
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Bro, I have not been on dating apps in a while.
08:19:30.660
So, I'm not going to reveal my relationship status, but I can tell you this.
08:19:38.480
I've been doing content for a minute, but since I've started the podcast, I don't date
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So, some of this shit, I say, you got to understand.
08:19:54.120
Oh, like, I'd be taking initiative, or I'd be messaging them on the dating app, or I'd,
08:19:58.060
like, you know, when I was younger, I'd see a girl at a party, and I'd say, hey, what's
08:20:06.420
I've only picked among the girls who contact me first.
08:20:13.600
So, you don't, like, go out to a restaurant or, like, a bar or a club, and, like, you don't
08:20:19.800
So, the girls you only date now are girls that hit you up.
08:20:37.400
It's this interesting role reversal, because it's...
08:20:40.560
I mean, when I was younger, it was the total opposite.
08:20:45.460
So, yeah, it's just a way better position to be in, I guess.
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But there are, like, plenty of good ones that are like, hey, Brian, I really align with
08:21:24.600
I don't have a girlfriend application, but they'll literally tell me about themselves and
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be like, hey, Brian, I've heard you say X, Y, Z on the podcast.
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I fully agree with everything you say or most of what you say.
08:21:41.820
I just, like, I'm so curious what these girls...
08:21:47.780
Before I started the podcast, I was on dating apps.
08:21:51.780
Shortly after I started the podcast, stopped the dating apps, and it was just people coming
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So the conclusion is podcasts are a pussy magnet.
08:22:06.400
That's not what I'm saying, but in the same way that...
08:22:08.400
But, like, all you girls here, you get a bunch of guys that come to you.
08:22:12.160
Like, it probably doesn't cross your mind, like, oh, okay, I'm going to be the one to
08:22:21.920
So I'm, like, I'm basically doing what y'all do.
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I feel like you have to as, like, somebody in the public sphere, though, because otherwise,
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like you said, it's just harder because you have to explain your values to everybody except...
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But by not doing that, you're not in your masculine then, are you?
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Well, I think one thing I found when women do initiate, it's totally token initiative.
08:22:56.080
Oftentimes when they message, too, sometimes they're direct, as I explained it, but a lot
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of times they're kind of just like, oh, hey, can I be on the podcast?
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And then, like, a couple messages later, it's like, oh, never mind.
08:23:18.860
I don't kiss and tell, but what I'll tell you this is...
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So it's like the initiative that when women do take initiative, it's a very token.
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So it's like they'll start the conversation, and then the conversational burden basically
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So, like, yeah, they send the first message, but I'm going to be the one leading it forward
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I don't think I've ever revealed that, actually.
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If you want to date Brian, just slide into his DMs.
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Oh, I wanted to give the girls some game, though.
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So I know you hate the bow, but look, or at least some of these submissive things or whatever,
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And it doesn't have to be the first date, but the first time you go to the guy's house.
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I know you're going to hate this, but the first...
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Again, it doesn't have to be the first date, but the first time you're at the dude's house,
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If you guys are struggling as women to lock down a dude or get...
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And I think it'll go a long way to getting the guy.
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And if that's your ultimate goal, to get the guy, be like...
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He thinks he's giving advice that's not good advice.
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To get a man that only sees value when you fold his clothes.
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They think you're just a doorknob if you do that.
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No, it's going to set you aside from every other woman.
08:25:19.500
I promise you they would rather have you fold their laundry than talk to them about
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They don't look down on you for doing their laundry.
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For some dudes, if that's all they're looking for, you said S their D.
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Y'all have been there dealing with a dude and you're giving them everything sexually.
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Because all the other women are offering pussy in their mouth.
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You got to do some other shit if you want the guy.
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And look, you might not like it, but I'm just being honest with you.
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Bring him like, cut him some watermelon or some fruit or some shit.
08:26:28.720
You got to set yourself apart from these other ladies.
08:26:49.120
But did you do that initially for your man in the get?
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My husband doesn't look down on me for doing the laundry.
08:26:59.800
Well, that's why I told him I don't agree with first date.
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And I don't think a man is like, oh, she's my little slave.
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Ladies, suck the dick so good that it fucking makes him go crazy.
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I don't think if you're single, you shouldn't be giving advice on that.
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I've had guys ask me to be their girlfriend after I suck their dick multiple times.
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And then what about the other seven hours I'm with you?
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I would hope that there would be meaningful conversation.
08:28:51.660
You just act like you do anything or you do suck the dick so good that it's like, wow,
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Because it's not like you're not having actual intercourse.
08:29:05.820
No, that's like folding clothes, but like to the extreme.
08:29:08.420
I think that giving a guy a head would actually make you seem like more of a doormat
08:29:22.960
Women more will more readily have a casual sexual encounter, like immediately have oral
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sex, immediately have intercourse, but take 10, 15 minutes to fold his laundry.
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But you'll literally put his penis into your fucking mouth.
08:29:49.080
These girls, these girls at the universities, I'm going to do the fucking Trump hands.
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These girls, these sorority girls, oh, Pike or Sig Ep, you're going to go to the fraternity
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house, and that guy's been day drinking all fucking day.
08:30:06.260
He's been sweating into his Calvin Klein boxers.
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Frat boys, do you think they changed their sheets?
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Yeah, you're going to put the frat boy penis into-
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Suck the rich dick and know that they have money, then you suck the dick.
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All night, I've been fucking playing beer pong.
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And you will insert his member into your gullet, but you won't do a motherfucking bow.
08:31:13.140
Have you ever eaten a girl's, like, noo-noo on the first time?
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Is that, like, an intimate, like, girlfriend thing?
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I haven't done it since the Bush administration.
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Y'all, Brian and I was, like, eight no-noo in decades.
08:32:10.040
Look, but by the way, let me make something very clear to you, Erica Perry.
08:32:17.240
My philosophy when it comes to, well, not that, but pleasing women, she's gotta come first at least once.
08:32:55.480
It's like, her pleasure, she's gotta come first.
08:32:59.320
Wait, what if she's 10 out of 10 perfect woman for you, and she's like, but this is the stimulation?
08:33:13.200
Perfect in every way, but that's her one stipulation.
08:33:43.140
Why can't they understand that guys also find girls' traditional gender roles attractive?
08:33:48.400
They think we want talkative, independent boss-
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It could be low body count, but you asked about perfect woman, so yeah, she'd-
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A 37-year-old virgin, or what age range are you?
08:34:31.120
Yeah, no, because most guys I dated when I was in my early 20s were much older, so yeah,
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I actually, I was thinking about maybe making the cutoff, like, if you were born after 9-11.
08:36:03.320
She always wanted to bring the dog over, and I was like, God.
08:36:11.080
No, it's like, I still wanted to see her, but she's like, can I bring the dog over?
08:36:30.920
So, would you say that's a big reason of why you want a younger woman?
08:36:44.260
So, I'm agnostic, but I have very positive sentiments toward Christianity.
08:36:56.940
Sons in a man's youth are like arrows in the hands of a warrior.
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Look, there's just something about, like, if you have sons, if you ever need to go to war, figuratively speaking, not literally, there's just something about having sons.
08:37:30.720
I wouldn't be upset if I had daughters, but I'm just saying there's something like a father-son connection bond is something different.
08:37:49.600
All men want sons because they're so immature and they want to see themselves.
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We keep going until I have at least three sons.
08:37:58.940
So, if we have ten daughters in a row, keep going.
08:38:12.140
Like, it's not like I'm hanging out at college parties trying to get.
08:38:26.260
I mean, if there was a woman my age, I would, it's not like I wouldn't date her.
08:38:31.720
If there's a girl who's even older than me, I would date her.
08:38:34.340
So, it's not like I'm just kicking it at college parties trying to date a co-ed.
08:38:40.100
I don't think you're kicking it at college parties.
08:38:48.800
Guys, let's get through the freaking notes so we can get out of here.
08:38:55.460
I was going to say, like, this is the longest of what I've watched.
08:39:05.560
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be?
08:39:08.640
Guys, you got to be quiet so I can get it done quick.
08:39:11.000
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
08:39:59.760
I had a hard time with that one, but $150,000 to $200,000 living in California.
08:40:15.800
But when I was teaching previously, I was making about a little over $90,000.
08:40:24.940
I'm happy with the amount of money my husband makes.
08:40:36.460
Uh, well, I would be willing to date a woman who does have a job, but zero.
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I'm not going to disclose that, but I'm doing good.
08:40:52.660
You know, look, I'm a starving college student.
08:40:55.720
I spend a lot of money on popsicles for Felicity.
08:41:02.380
So, um, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
08:41:10.900
Um, I tend to go for people who are at least five, 10 now, but I've dated way shorter.
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Even if there's no sugar or sugar, like it has to be there.
08:41:28.740
I, I love six foot, but you know, I'll bend five, 10.
08:41:37.500
I'm five, two and I prefer six feet, but five, 10 and up is fine.
08:41:42.900
I'm five, two and I like short hunks and my husband's five, seven and I'm good with that.
08:41:48.400
I'm five, two and anything above five feet is good for me.
08:41:52.480
Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
08:41:57.600
Um, I said bear and this isn't an original take, but, um, a bear will attack you because
08:42:05.300
A man will attack you because he knows you're not.
08:42:12.280
I'd rather encounter a man over a woman because I've been over a bear, a man or a bear.
08:42:21.200
But also like, if it was like a man or a woman, I'd pick the man because like, I've
08:42:32.680
They, they can climb, they can run 30 miles per hour.
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And also like, I've seen girls and they're like, Oh my God, I'd rather die fast.
08:42:42.880
I'm like, no, you'd be a slow death because bears just like rip your face off.
08:42:50.060
I would choose a man because there is a chance that he might not kill me immediately.
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And if he tried to, I could at least fight back and then emotionally hurt him.
08:43:07.060
I don't think that there's like a high likelihood that he's a predator.
08:43:10.360
And if he is, I feel that I can defend myself physically against a man over a bear.
08:43:21.580
I won't linger on this long just for the sake of time.
08:43:34.600
Have you heard like black bear this, brown bear this?
08:43:37.940
Have you seen videos of bears chasing after people?
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What if it was like a white dude that voted for Trump?
08:44:07.660
And then he would just like throw me to the bear.
08:44:11.360
If me and her were in the woods together and a bear showed up.
08:45:19.320
This is dehumanizing and embarrassing and disgusting.
08:45:24.700
But I look good without makeup and I can't wait to have the makeup off my face.
08:45:30.640
It actually goes against everything you've been saying.
08:45:40.120
But like it goes against like a lot of what you've been debating actually.
08:46:12.500
This is like taking time out of my night routine.
08:46:19.820
Because you're like I'm going to take my makeup off.
08:46:26.560
We wear makeup because we want to make ourselves feel more beautiful.
08:46:35.600
I got called a cake face in high school because I love wearing makeup and I don't give a fuck.
08:46:40.160
But I don't think it's pick me to take off your makeup because I don't have any negative.
08:47:07.020
Does that mean we can go home and go Betty by now?
08:47:23.200
You want to see the price of all my makeup products?
08:47:32.720
But just to be clear, you're saying the amount of product that you have on your face right
08:47:36.960
The amount of all the different products I have are expensive.
08:47:46.960
You would have to calculate that per use because each makeup container has multiple uses.
08:47:53.840
These women who argue men should pay for first dates because here's all the makeup that
08:48:01.340
No, when we get ready, that's a bunch of money.
08:48:04.340
Your clothes, your makeup, your hair, your fucking shoes.
08:48:21.680
I've showed up looking like haggard vibes and they don't like it.
08:48:24.620
Sweatpants, hair tied, chilling with no, sweatpants, hair tied.
08:48:30.620
They only want sweatpants, chilling with no makeup, with your side hoe, sucking their
08:48:34.180
Sweatpants, hair tied, chilling with no makeup on.
08:48:38.080
Yeah, when your dick is in their mouth, like, no, only boyfriends think that.
08:48:42.300
I don't think my husband would be okay with that.
08:48:44.100
I tell girls, I'll tell a girl, it's our first time meeting, don't wear makeup, don't
08:48:50.780
Yeah, what is your, like, why are you against Baccarat?
08:48:57.340
You're like, you're low key, a little bit, uh, bad hat humbug.
08:49:17.080
Just, like, I'm confused, like, not confused, like, who broke your heart and how long ago
08:49:44.620
All right, guys, we're going to do a roast session.
08:49:46.760
We're going to do, just for time reasons, we're going to do $69.
08:49:51.920
It's going to have to be $69 for the roast, because otherwise we'll be here all frickin'
08:50:27.460
We're not going to be able to do all the questionnaire.
08:50:31.820
Jasmine, you said a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
08:50:35.640
If they consider themselves, if they think that trans women are women and they consider themselves
08:50:40.800
Yeah, but let's say there's an outside perspective, right?
08:50:43.840
So let's say I don't know the gender identity of the two individuals and I see them engaging
08:50:48.540
in a public act of intercourse, which I suppose is a crime, but there are, and it's two, there's
08:51:03.220
Would it be fair for me, but the gender identity, which is not known to me, is one of them identifies
08:51:09.320
as a woman and one of them is a cis man, I guess.
08:51:14.320
Would it be fair to me, for me to categorize that as a homosexual act?
08:51:18.920
Yes, if you were like calling the police, you'd be like, yo, two dudes are having sex
08:51:51.660
Obviously, the majority of the women on the panel.
08:51:58.440
I'm really considerate offering you guys complimentary makeup removal.
08:52:04.600
Yeah, Jez, you're really pretty without makeup.
08:52:13.760
I think it's a sign of me being just all around, just a very, very nice guy.
08:52:23.340
No, it's kind of, it's like emasculating, but in the feminine way where you're trying to like
08:52:31.240
Women have to feel as though they have to participate in like getting ready to go out.
08:52:34.940
Or else if we showed, if someone showed up tonight with no makeup, you kind of feel underdressed.
08:52:48.800
You're trying to embarrass women by doing it though.
08:53:02.820
I think I, to me, makeup isn't something where I'm like, oh, I need to like change the
08:53:08.920
And I think that when you dress up and look a certain way, it just looks presentable.
08:53:14.040
Like it's a standard, it's almost like an accessory to your outfit.
08:53:17.740
It's not so much like, oh, I have to wear this every single day and I can't go anywhere
08:53:22.680
And a lot of women do like cover up their insecurities that way and feel like they have to wear makeup.
08:53:27.220
And I think that sucks, but there's plenty of women who use makeup as a hobby.
08:53:32.680
There's plenty of men who use makeup as a hobby.
08:53:35.980
I just think that you're kind of taking jobs at women's insecurity, potential insecurities
08:53:47.560
When it comes to the makeup thing, I want to say this.
08:53:50.680
Men of you are so accustomed, so hopelessly dependent on makeup that you will fight to protect
08:53:57.200
you are a slave, born into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch, a prison for
08:54:15.800
No, I don't see it that way because I don't feel like I need it everywhere I go.
08:54:20.320
But I think that that's insecurities within themselves.
08:54:50.860
I think the women get to decide if they're being liberated by this.
08:54:56.240
It feels like you're stomping on women's insecurities.
08:54:58.300
I've given you an opportunity to remove the paint from your face.
08:55:07.580
Yeah, luckily, you get to trash women on your podcast.
08:55:10.420
It's not trashing women, but no woman is forced to do it.
08:55:20.940
Women are taught that to be presentable, they have to...
08:55:28.360
You literally sent in the message, come make up hair...
08:55:38.300
But that's an indication that we don't want you to be doing your hair and makeup in the
08:55:42.420
bathroom while we're trying to get the show going.
08:55:50.160
First off, most women, even if we had nothing to say about makeup, they would do it anyways.
08:55:57.020
The reason we say be hair and makeup ready, which is a very common phrase in the entertainment
08:56:14.060
We don't want you in the bathroom for 10 minutes and the next girl's got to be in the bathroom.
08:56:18.960
Come ready to go so we can sit down and get the podcast going.
08:56:22.480
If a girl doesn't show up with makeup, I don't care.
08:56:27.260
For the podcast and for dating, I prefer women without makeup and it's slavery.
08:56:33.220
Good thing none of us are trying to date you, Brian.
08:56:36.560
If you were taking a girl to like a fine dining, like exquisite dinner and she's like in a dress
08:56:43.980
and heels, you'd want like no makeup with full gown and heels?
08:56:50.980
So it's like a fine dining place, but she's otherwise dressed like appropriately for the
08:56:57.260
I mean, there's nothing wrong with it, but in my mind, I'm like...
08:56:59.400
Look, I think you underestimate the level to which I care about anybody else.
08:57:05.820
So I don't give a fuck what like the external world, oh, he's with a girl.
08:57:11.760
I'm never going to see these people at this restaurant again.
08:57:14.080
I don't have some ego thing where I want to go to a restaurant to be seen with a hot girl.
08:57:24.360
If I'm at a restaurant with a girl, I don't care about the other people in the restaurant.
08:57:29.440
It's me and it's her and that's what I'm focused on.
08:57:34.140
If they want to judge because they want to judge me because I'm with a woman who's not
08:57:38.080
wearing makeup or they want to judge her because she's not wearing makeup, I think that's wrong.
08:57:44.660
I don't mean so much like the other people, but I'm saying would you not want her to put
08:57:59.840
Now, and I actually have a preference against makeup.
08:58:05.260
Lipstick, I don't like any of the foundation or the...
08:58:11.500
Maybe I'm okay with eyeliner, but if she doesn't wear eyeliner, don't care.
08:58:18.880
They don't even know if you're wearing makeup half the time.
08:58:20.460
I think though, I've worn makeup around men and they were like, oh my God, you look so
08:58:24.360
If I do have a light face, they're like, oh my God.
08:58:30.180
I got so much powder on, but I have worn a light makeup look.
08:58:33.160
I'm like, wow, you look so good without makeup.
08:58:38.620
I got less comments about how much makeup I was wearing when I wore full foundation,
08:58:44.720
And now that I let my freckles show and I don't use full foundation, I get comments about how
08:59:02.780
We shouldn't really care about what other people say that much because at the end of
08:59:07.020
the day, during your life, your family, your friends, your partner, those are the people
08:59:13.620
And they're not going to be like, oh, I'm not going to love you if you wear makeup.
08:59:17.320
I agree, but I feel like in professional settings, there is some sort of pressure to get ready
08:59:23.800
And that includes wearing some amount of makeup.
08:59:30.180
I wear makeup because I like the way I look with a little bit of makeup on.
08:59:34.540
Women wear makeup for themselves and men would rather see you without makeup and don't even
08:59:43.100
Men have no idea what goes on with our makeup and they don't care.
08:59:46.820
But women wear makeup because they think they look prettier with it and they like it.
08:59:53.000
Moving off of makeup, going to Lauren, you said women are just as physically strong as
09:00:00.620
So the statement is women are just as physically strong as men, to which you agree.
09:00:09.980
Jasmine, you said people of color can't be racist towards white people.
09:00:19.600
And then you also said people of color can't be racist towards white people.
09:00:30.880
You would agree though, that like, for example, a black person could be like, it's possible
09:00:41.940
No, but that's not, I'm not saying, um, that they should, I'm just saying, can they,
09:00:47.400
I don't understand really how that correlates because, I mean, like, I guess at the end
09:00:59.080
No, I'm not prescriptively saying that they should be racist.
09:01:08.840
Um, so then I guess just to you, Jasmine, uh, explain why is it that people of color
09:01:15.880
Um, because systemically black people don't benefit from the idea of racism, racism against
09:01:25.780
On the other hand is a systemic issue that affects people of color.
09:01:31.040
You don't think there's like individual, there are individual circumstances.
09:01:34.980
But, but like, for example, if I walked up to a black person and I called them the N
09:01:39.520
word, you would agree that that's racist for me to do.
09:01:43.720
Uh, so then if a black person, and then like I committed a violent crime towards them,
09:01:48.940
Uh, if a black person walked up to a white person, called them the C word and then committed
09:01:54.000
a violent crime towards them, would you consider this like a racist act?
09:02:02.640
If he's like, I hate all white people and simply did it because they're white.
09:02:11.300
But, but systemically, like, again, it doesn't affect white people the same that it affects
09:02:18.060
And are, are you just, is this within the cultural zeitgeist of the United States or Western
09:02:26.160
Um, just with the, um, idea of the history of the United States.
09:02:34.120
If you looked at South Africa, for example, uh, where there's a, yeah, I'd say there's
09:02:40.340
There's a black majority and they occupy the majority positions of power.
09:02:45.660
Socioeconomic differences there compared to here.
09:02:48.420
So black people in South Africa could be racist.
09:02:50.880
So then I guess if we're talking geopolitically and right.
09:02:55.980
Uh, you said men are more privileged than women.
09:03:05.880
Um, although the patriarchy has negative effects on men as well, again, that lead to death and
09:03:28.000
Well, I think it would be inaccurate to state that men collectively are at the top.
09:03:33.780
Uh, only a small proportion of men are at the top.
09:03:41.800
Point zero, zero, zero, zero, one percent of men have any power or say in this country.
09:03:49.360
I mean, if we're talking about like owners and businesses and stuff like that, but if
09:03:56.160
I guess you could say that, but it is men at the top, right?
09:03:58.480
In every sort of sector, business owning, politics, men are at the top.
09:04:06.560
But like myself, for example, I have no more say than a woman does.
09:04:13.100
And that would apply to the vast majority of other men too.
09:04:16.260
So you're, I mean, what you're doing here is an apex fallacy.
09:04:18.940
You're looking at the top, top, top percent of apex of men and you're.
09:04:32.760
Well, when you say every category, what do you mean?
09:04:35.400
Like again, CEOs, businesses, politics, like creating the laws, owning the money, paying
09:04:59.040
Well, do you also believe in the wage gap, right?
09:05:05.620
Do you think that there could be like an evolutionary or biological explanation for
09:05:10.000
why men occupy these positions of power that wouldn't be related to like sexism or
09:05:17.000
I think women aren't able to succeed in positions in business or become a CEO because they are
09:05:26.320
kind of tied down to these roles of being the homemaker and taking care of the kid.
09:05:31.420
And of course, there are the biological factors where the baby feeds from the mother.
09:05:35.920
So there is this time and period where the mother has to physically be there with the child.
09:05:40.240
But I think there are instances after that where the father could hold equal responsibility.
09:05:45.420
But we just kind of push those responsibilities on to women even after they aren't necessarily
09:05:52.120
So then they're less likely to give their time to their career in business and becoming
09:05:58.260
I mean, in order to propagate the species, you need to have women who are going to give
09:06:02.760
So obviously, a subset of women are going to have children.
09:06:06.460
And that that does have an impact, but that's a large disparity, just 5% of women are.
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Yeah, I think that could be explained in a bunch of ways.
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I think one of the arguments I like to make that is related to dating, actually, is that
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this occurs actually to to a mating pressure that women create in men that isn't created
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Do you find men who are like at the top of their field attractive or would you find them
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Based on, uh, do you think like success, successful men, do you think that they're more attractive
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And then you want a guy to perhaps do maybe a majority of the providing if you're in a
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Again, this doesn't necessarily relate to me because that.
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And I, and I'm not sure that I would want them to take care of the majority of expenses.
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Would you want a guy to make at least as much money as you make?
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And then do you find men who have, who are high status?
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So, I mean, I, we could look at the entertainment industry, so it could be like a professional
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athlete, professional musician, uh, or, uh, a list celebrity.
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I think there might be statistics on this, that people in those roles and high status roles,
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I'm not necessarily into athletes and actors and.
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Uh, but you did say that you would find a guy who has status attractive.
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So by women's own stated, uh, unrevealed and revealed dating preferences.
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And I think it would actually make a lot of sense why men occupy these positions of power
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more so than women, because you create a substantial mating pressure on men to want to succeed to
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And if having status means being at the top of the hierarchy in whatever field that it could
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be anything, if getting status, being at the type top of the hierarchy makes you a more
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attractive mate to women, then women's own dating preferences would seem to be a substantial
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contributor to why men occupy the top positions of power.
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Because I don't know about you, but I think one of the most heavily motivating factors for
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most people would be finding a partner, finding, uh, for women, finding boyfriend, finding husband
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for, for men, finding a wife, finding a girlfriend, it's extremely motivating.
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In fact, I think men are actually more motivated.
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So as a man, if you're not successful, if you don't have money, if you don't have some
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degree of status, it makes it harder for you to find a woman, whether it's just for short
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term casual sex, whether it's a relationship, whether it's marriage and whether it's to have
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kids women, you don't have that same barrier as a woman.
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You can work a minimum wage job and you can still find a partner.
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Men really don't care about your status, your money, your success.
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So you, women's own dating preferences have a massive impact on this.
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We have standards and you don't, I don't get why you're upset.
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You're saying, well, why is it that, uh, 5% of women occupy these positions of power?
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You think most men are CEOs or they occupy those spaces more because they want to
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That's the only, or do you think they just have more access to opportunity than women
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do because women are, Oh, I would, I would definitely say that, well, I think there's
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multiple components for why people want to, to achieve in life.
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But I would say that, uh, yeah, I think men are highly motivated by getting sex and they're
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Do you not agree though, that the standards that we put on women to take care of children
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makes it harder for them to succeed in these roles?
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But nothing, I mean, if, if, if a woman wants to prioritize her career, she absolutely can.
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And women who do prior prioritize their career, they're about 5% though.
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Cause not all, I, I, and I think there's like a, there's a, not an aptitude, but there's
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It's basically like, I think men are more motivated and women are less motivated.
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But you would agree that, would you agree with me that the following is true?
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Um, men don't really care about a woman's money or her success or her career.
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I don't think that makes up for the large disparity that we're seeing.
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I think it may, I actually think it makes up for a significant amount of disparity.
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Do you think men work jobs to make money just for the fuck of it?
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You know, I kind of assumed so because I crave success just for the fuck of it.
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Yeah, so I kind of, well, this is the difference.
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This is a bit of a difference between men and women.
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So men work hard so that they can provide for their family.
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Men work hard so they can provide for their wife.
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They work hard so they can provide for their kids.
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Like men make, do all this hard work for their family so they can one day have a family.
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They can provide for their wife and they can provide for their children.
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When men work hard and make a lot of money, they think, oh great, I can provide for a wife
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When women work really hard and make a bunch of money, they think, I don't need a man.
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So you think you're working hard for these TTSs for your girl?
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Wait, I really, you know what, deep down I know you're like actually a hopeless romantic.
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I'm not like, I'm not really about, I'm not really about like material goods.
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I still drive a car I bought over a decade ago.
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I don't need any of that superficial material shit.
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But yeah, that's, that's what I'm, it's to support my family.
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That can, I want to make sure my parents are good.
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I think you need to get out of Santa Barbara to find your soulmate.
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Yeah, so I'm going to like detour, but like, yeah, everyone, Brian's soulmate is not here.
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Yeah, so how are men more privileged in society?
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Shout out, hate them and shout out, love you guys.
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Just from, like, basic beginning of time, they make more money.
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That's just literally biology and, I mean, it's not, there's no argument there.
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Jasmine, you said women are oppressed in the USA.
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I also think that men are oppressed in some ways.
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Men are the oppressors, but I don't know if we can say on an equal, I don't know if, I don't
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It's just that they're rich and they have power.
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But if we look at the numbers, like, the richest people, majority are men.
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Again, I think the patriarchy oppresses everyone.
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The standards put upon women that we have to be homemakers or feel social pressure to wear
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Yeah, but then I would just say, okay, men are oppressed because there's a social pressure
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And by women that we need to be protectors and providers.
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I think oppression is something completely different, though.
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Like, I would call, I would call, like, countries in poverty oppressed.
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I don't think having a societal standard pushed on you is being oppressed.
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It's just kind of, like, your expectation to create a healthy and thriving society.
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And if we were to say, well, nobody should be expected of anything and everybody can just
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do whatever they want, which is what's happening in our society, it's going downhill very quickly
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I think when a certain demographic of people are disproportionately, like, disenfranchised.
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Well, I mean, you can include race in this, too.
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She's just talking about the existence of oppression.
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She doesn't think there is oppression in America.
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I think when there's, like, stark differences between demographics and success rates, that
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shows that there's some form of hierarchy which then expresses there must be some form of
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But do you think it's because of oppression or just simply because men are making more
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money because women don't, not as many women work as much as many men and women take off
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Yeah, I think the structure that that exists under is oppressive.
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I'm not saying men are doing this, this, and that.
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Well, they have, they are at the top of the hierarchy.
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The people who are at the top of the hierarchy typically tend to be men, but it's not clear
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to me if they're there simply by virtue of being men.
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I don't think they're given it on a silver platter because they're men.
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And the VAT, 99.999% of men have no more power than women.
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But I think men benefit from that top, top percent being men.
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I mean, because they're not having laws made about their bodies.
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Well, sure, in the instances that you referenced before.
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So they're the oppressor and they're also oppressed.
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But what if it has nothing to do with them being men?
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What if it's just they happen to be elites or they happen to just have power?
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Because there's hierarchies in societies and some people are going to rise to the top of
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Why do you think there's never been a matriarchy?
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Has there, you're saying there's always been a patriarchy?
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Uh, but there have been societies where matriarchies exist, right?
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There's been matrilineal societies, but there's not really a matriarchy.
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Well, I wonder if the patriarchy has only ever existed or the matriarchy hasn't because the
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How do we deconstruct the patriarchy to then create a matriarchy?
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But I think that we don't have a matriarchy because we simply always had a patriarchy.
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Well, I mean, look, Andrew argues this way better than I do.
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So, I mean, it comes down to force, force doctrine.
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You would agree that men are physically stronger than women?
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So who are the, who are the enforcers in society?
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And all the laws that we have, you know, if somebody commits a crime, who do you call?
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And then if you look at the military, it's predominantly men also.
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So, well, women, women pretty recently got the right to be active in the military.
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So we're not really socialized to go in that direction as much as men.
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But even if there was, uh, let me ask you a question.
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You're the warden of a prison and you could choose to hire, and it's, it's a male prison.
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You could choose to hire, uh, all male prison guards or all female prison guards.
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Honestly, the women probably pay more attention to like the locks being locked and stuff like
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But if we're planning on like an escape and we need strong men, if that's the particular
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You know, the inmates, they go out of their cells.
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You need men because when it comes to force, you need men who are able to, uh, exert force
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I get the physical instance, but why do you think that they should be at the top of, I don't
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I'm not, I'm not saying should, I'm just speaking descriptively.
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I'm talking about, I'm not saying this is how it should be.
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I'm just talking about like what is descriptively true.
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So it is descriptively true that women need to appeal to men as it relates to their rights.
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For example, in Afghanistan, uh, when, you know, the U S left, for example, the Taliban
09:21:19.840
came back to power and women lost their rights.
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So women or men give men or excuse me, men give women their rights.
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And as women, you have to appeal to men for your rights.
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I'm not saying that this, this is how it should be, but that's just how it is.
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So at any given moment, if men wanted to, they could take away and walk back women's rights.
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So then you understand that, that, that, that shows that they are in a hierarchy position
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above women and they are there for the oppressors because at any moment they could withdraw those
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rights and it'd be more obviously oppressive, but now it's more hidden behind.
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It would point, it would point to the benevolence of men, not to the oppressive nature of men.
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Like men are like, you should be happy with what we've given you is what you're saying.
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Well, I think women should be happy for all kinds of things.
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So you agree that we only have what men allow us to have.
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For the men who keep you safe while you sleep comfortably from who from, from the, of invading
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foreign nation, you should be thankful for the soldiers.
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You should be thankful for rough men who keep you safe while you sleep comfortably at night.
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I'm just saying you're, you're agreeing that women only have the rights that we have at
09:23:14.580
But you're also saying that that's not oppressive, that they don't have power.
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Like they haven't given us, but that's just, that's just factually true.
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That's what I'm saying though, that men are the oppressors, not that they wouldn't make
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If we only have what we have at the hands of men.
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If in your opinion, I think it's just the structure that we live under makes it inevitable.
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I think we need to define the term oppressed because it's like, I just don't, I can't get
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We're so like, all of us are privileged here and I'll use that word for the circumstance.
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Look, ultimately, I would say that this actually points towards men's benevolence and you rely
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on men to be the protectors and providers of society.
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Everything that you see around you, like the roads you drive on, the building you live
09:24:08.260
in, I don't know if you have a nice apartment that you live in.
09:24:10.540
Most of the, uh, comforts of modernity are all due to men's genius in, uh, ingenuity.
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Men have only ever had the opportunity to do so.
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If it wasn't for men, y'all would still be living in like grass huts and shit.
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What happened when all the men went to war and like World War I and World War II?
09:24:41.380
Women went into the factories and took care of work.
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Women don't have the requisite physical strength for an industrial society.
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They just simply don't for it to have ever even been a possibility.
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Like thought, like creating some sort of mechanism that can lift.
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If we're starting all the way from agriculture and then moving into industrialization and
09:25:14.620
moving into the technology era, there needed to be the physical strength of men as the foundation
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and bedrock for all the, the sort of, the, the, sorry, they're fucking talking back.
09:25:31.740
There needed to be that foundation of physical strength that even enabled the comforts that we currently enjoy and that we take for granted.
09:25:40.140
Do you realize how 200 years ago, just 200 years ago.
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So that's like a couple of generations back, right?
09:25:53.520
The things we take so for granted, you, you don't even think about these things.
09:25:59.500
But you think women wouldn't have invented these things if they were put in positions that men were put into?
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I'm saying the, through the chronological order of invention, none of this would have been possible without the just brute physical strength of men.
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I think with the inventive and creative nature of women, it could have been possible.
09:26:30.400
Like, so you're saying, okay, if women had bulldozers, then they could use the strength of machinery to do these jobs for them.
09:26:40.940
I don't know where you get this concept that it just wouldn't have been done.
09:26:43.100
No, there's like a, I'm trying to think of the specific word here.
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There's a historical bottleneck that, that women just based on their physical strength would not have been able to pass through if it wasn't for male strength.
09:27:04.700
Like I don't, the, the industrial revolution in order to build the machinery that would have even enabled women to do some of these tasks that wouldn't have been possible without the requisite strength of men.
09:27:20.860
I think it would have taken maybe more women and other mechanisms to do so, but it would have gotten done.
09:27:28.800
I think it's like blasphemous really to say that we wouldn't be as advanced as we are without the brute strength of men.
09:27:38.340
Well, it's that, but it's also the genius and the ingenuity of men.
09:27:44.160
No, I actually think, I think if you look at the, I think if you look at the average IQ of women, it's actually, uh, women, uh, there's more women who have a, I suppose, a higher IQ.
09:27:56.780
It's called the, uh, greater variability hypothesis.
09:28:00.800
So essentially what you have is there's more women who have a higher average IQ than the average man.
09:28:08.060
But if you look at the extremes, so you have a bunch of really stupid men, but then you have a greater proportion of very highly intelligent, high IQ men who are geniuses.
09:28:19.160
And there are women geniuses too, but because of the greater male variability, you're going to have more male geniuses and, uh, more men.
09:28:26.980
Do you think being a genius is, uh, genetically predetermined and tied to gender?
09:28:31.720
Or do you think maybe men have that outlier of being extremely smart and inventive because they've had ample opportunity and time to do so because they're not taking care of a kid at home?
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Oh, I would agree that there's a nature and nurture and I'm not, women absolutely can be geniuses.
09:28:48.660
What I'm saying is, and I don't know if it's just like, uh, this is just how, you know, the distribution when it comes to biology, evolution, whatever.
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There's way more stupid men than there are like really stupid women, but there's also a bunch of really, really genius, like high, high, high IQ men.
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I think that disparity and like outlier only exists because of it.
09:29:19.380
Uh, oh, can we have you guys rejoin the table, please?
09:29:30.020
Guys, we are, I do see some of the chats that have come through Lulu.
09:29:47.660
And I, I'm a good candidate, but I'm just also, I'm getting a little Delulu here.
09:30:21.260
Oh, Clayne, I think you triggered the spam thing.
09:30:57.380
Why are you scared about me being on the phone?
09:31:05.660
Going around the table on this, a woman's past should not matter.
09:31:23.220
It does, but if you don't tell them, then it doesn't matter.
09:31:27.180
So you would lie about your body count, basically?
09:31:31.500
Who here has lied about their body count to a guy?
09:31:35.280
I just, you just don't, I don't ask and I don't know.
09:32:01.280
It's a very, it's a very normal amount for a 23-year-old, I think.
09:32:53.540
Because you're saying you don't want to see her again.
09:32:59.920
It's high enough to where people will judge me if I say the real amount.
09:33:53.440
Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
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How much money do I have to pay you to give your real number?
09:34:16.780
Fuck, I need to go, like, yeah, everybody, go cash up me a hundred Bitcoins or whatever
09:34:36.760
But I think Brian's body count is definitely in the fifties.
09:34:41.660
Yeah, because I think, like, there's whores that message you and they're like, Brian, I want
09:34:49.180
Yeah, you said that girls message you, so you obviously have a high body count.
09:35:00.500
Oh, yeah, that's what I used to say, but not anymore.
09:35:13.380
Because they don't want someone that's ran through.
09:35:35.600
Have you ever considered that your idea that women lack opportunities is based on Disney and fictional
09:35:41.360
Throughout history, you know men have sucked up to women and simp after them, right?
09:36:01.600
Even your fans are telling you, go to bed, Ryan.
09:36:50.140
Women who wear makeup are insecure and trying to accept the way they serve.
09:36:55.240
I won't wear expensive makeup to attract men who are high on the attractiveness scale of
09:37:16.740
Brian, so I thought you were going to hate me, but like.
09:37:50.840
It's literally called like deconstructing feminism.
09:37:58.880
She's going to give your kids fucking puberty blockers, bro.
09:38:09.740
She's one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen.
09:38:12.520
These two girls took their makeup off and they're the prettiest girls.
09:38:16.520
Let's say you do have kids and your fucking eight year old, nine year old kid comes to
09:38:24.120
Comes to you and is like, Hey, I think you have a son.
09:38:27.860
And he's like, Hey, I really like Barbie dolls.
09:38:34.640
You're going to put them on the pathway to transition.
09:38:38.480
No, I'm not going to make them feel like liking Barbies is gender specific to begin
09:38:43.860
So they're not going to have this kind of like, okay, fine.
09:38:46.220
Ignore the Barbie thing, but they're like, I feel like I'm a woman.
09:38:53.600
That's them saying that like, they're kind of like, that's kind of like, I'm a little
09:38:59.780
Genuinely though, your kid comes to you, your 10 year old kid's like, Hey mom, I think I'm
09:39:09.820
You're going to put them through the, you're going to put them on the process.
09:39:16.260
I don't know anyone who's necessarily pro transition.
09:39:18.880
Wait, isn't that the, the trans advocacy is puberty, puberty blockers to prevent puberty.
09:39:30.520
I don't know what to tell you, but my children, I don't think would get to that point because
09:39:35.380
I'm not putting the idea of liking Barbies as a female characteristic to begin with.
09:39:43.180
I said, if your child comes to you and is like, Hey, I don't think they would have this
09:39:49.480
I would, I would let them exist however they want to exist.
09:39:52.640
They wouldn't have this like, Oh, I feel like a woman.
09:39:56.540
But they're going to school and the school is like teaching them about like trans stuff
09:40:02.780
There's definitely schools that talk about like trans people.
09:40:06.300
So your kid comes to you though, and you've read the literature.
09:40:16.040
Even if the medical, the, uh, medical literature would seem to indicate that this is like
09:40:28.540
Would you wait until they're 18 for any sort of, uh, well, at that point it's out of my hands,
09:40:40.480
You know, that type of thing, make them feel comfortable.
09:40:42.620
Don't demonize them or make them think that they can't participate in the things that
09:40:48.320
So you would prevent your trans kid from having gender affirming care as a child.
09:41:03.080
I mean, I mean, I still look, if my son comes to me, well, this is look, I think it's,
09:41:10.540
it's fair that at least it's a positive that you wouldn't allow them to get on puberty
09:41:17.120
But, uh, if my son comes to me and is like, Hey, I think I'm a girl.
09:41:25.840
I'm going to be like, nah, just wait for a couple of years.
09:41:28.960
It's probably, if you're probably going to grow out of this, which I don't think is
09:41:33.460
We're not going to come into their parents and saying, I feel like a girl.
09:41:39.000
So you're saying you would socially transition your child.
09:41:43.300
If they wanted to try it out, I'm not going to say, no, you have to wear pants and a t-shirt.
09:41:48.100
You wouldn't force them to socially transition.
09:41:49.960
But they're going to get made fun of at school.
09:41:52.540
But if they wanted to socially transition, you would be fine with that.
09:42:06.300
When they're adults, I suppose they can do whatever they want.
09:42:14.120
Then we're going to get this wrapped here, folks.
09:42:16.120
Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
09:42:23.180
I think you should say that when I want to remember.
09:42:24.740
That was the conversation we had earlier that we fully discussed about bodily autonomy.
09:42:29.880
Can you name one right that a man has that a woman doesn't?
09:43:07.020
Shut the fuck up during the TTS and roast sessions.
09:43:25.880
No, I think I've been awake for over 24 hours now.
09:43:49.720
I think women, even when they're really tired, have the brain power to just, you know, whatever.
09:44:23.100
I think we're done, actually, with the question.
09:44:31.060
Because I honestly think she is humble and is a decent person.
09:44:54.880
I don't have a priority for kids or marriage, so it works out.
09:45:25.700
There's show notes that you guys submitted, but honestly, it's late, so I think everybody
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Some of you, we didn't get into the show notes, but I'm assuming you guys are okay with us.
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We'll have you, we'd be happy to have any of you back here.
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Normally, our shows definitely don't go this long.
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We do have long shows, but they normally don't go this long.
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Final call out, if you guys want to get a final, base Thor and Klain and whoever else
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it is, Mike Davis, send in a final 69 as a simp tax because you guys been simping, man.
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Like the video, guys, if you enjoyed the stream.
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Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have on Twitch.tv slash whatever.
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Guys, it's been three hours since we last got a sub.
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Somebody here, 1,000 viewers, drop us a follow and a prime sub.
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Really quick, before we end the stream, one prime sub.
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I think I'm going to, I'll have to look at the footage because it was kind of shitty,
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but I was recording the like kick out of that girl and she was just, that was recorded.
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So if you want, I might post it behind the scenes, but that's not 100% a guarantee promise
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because I think the footage on my end might have been shitty.
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She was the only, you know, person disagreeing with me, I guess.
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I'd like to end the show with a call to action.
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I'd like to see if we can't use this as a moment, as an opportunity.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
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There's too many people to name, but thank you guys so much.
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Half our shit gets demonetized on YouTube and TikTok kicked out of their monetization.
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We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific with another Dating Talk.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to San Barbara.
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Let me just double-check really quickly, make sure we're not screwing any over chatters here.
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You know, look, I'm from the mean streets of Santa Barbara.
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By the way, guys, we're going to get her back on.
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We're going to get her back on and maybe Savannah back on.
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They have some really good, great TikTok content.
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We're going to have to react to it another day.
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They got some great videos, but we'll have to save it for round two, I guess.
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Well, actually, season two sucks, so never mind.
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Guys, W's in the chat for Charlie for the big $100 soup chat here at the end of the stream.