Whatever Podcast - For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name⧸Quit Her Job？! Jay Dyer! JB! ｜ Dating Talk #242

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00:04:08.240 that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please

00:04:12.800 tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead.

00:04:19.300 I'm Hyson. I'm 28 and I'm from Ohio and I'm a painter. I'm an artist.

00:04:24.620 Painter. Okay. And any education, college, anything like that?

00:04:28.120 Uh, no, I did graduate early, but-

00:04:30.600 From high school?

00:04:31.120 Yeah, I took the time off.

00:04:32.880 And you said you paint?

00:04:34.000 Yeah.

00:04:34.480 You're a painter?

00:04:35.400 Uh-huh.

00:04:36.020 Okay. Uh, pastel, what's your medium or whatever it's called?

00:04:39.300 No, I do oil-based. Oil-based paint.

00:04:42.340 Oil-based?

00:04:43.060 Yeah.

00:04:44.000 Dope. Uh, have you ever done any sort of, do you do like content creation or anything like

00:04:47.960 that?

00:04:48.480 Sometimes, um, I'm not really on social media that hard when it comes to that. I do like

00:04:53.840 murals and I get like casted, yeah, for that.

00:04:56.780 So, like, you said you're a painter?

00:04:58.600 Uh-huh.

00:04:59.140 As your, like, as your occupation or just a hobby?

00:05:01.360 It started because I wanted to do tattoo art and then I kind of didn't want to sit there

00:05:06.080 for eight hours and you can't erase it. So, at least this way you can kind of paint over

00:05:11.500 it, you know?

00:05:12.120 And is that, uh, how you make money?

00:05:14.880 Uh-huh.

00:05:15.600 That's like your full-time career?

00:05:17.440 I, I model sometimes, but just like avant-garde modeling. So, like, I don't know, nothing specific,

00:05:24.740 no brands.

00:05:26.240 Okay.

00:05:26.760 Yeah.

00:05:27.700 And you live where?

00:05:29.180 I live in L.A.

00:05:30.240 You live in L.A.?

00:05:31.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:32.020 And you, do you survive off of painting?

00:05:34.320 I do. I sell, like, uh, I can do one for, like, $1,200.

00:05:38.480 All right.

00:05:39.240 Yeah.

00:05:40.320 So, you sell drugs? Is that your drug dealer?

00:05:42.960 No.

00:05:43.240 Okay. So, that's your, you don't have any other income stream?

00:05:47.080 I was in a relationship for a long time, so.

00:05:49.740 Okay. Oh, you, did you just recently break up?

00:05:51.960 Uh, or, wait, is that somebody?

00:05:55.240 Eight months ago.

00:05:55.820 Oh, that's you. Okay. So, somebody else just, like, broke up a week ago.

00:05:58.340 Yeah.

00:05:58.420 So, okay. All right. So, you were, like, living with him, and he was?

00:06:01.580 Yeah, I was.

00:06:02.380 Sugar daddy?

00:06:03.260 No.

00:06:03.660 Oh, sorry.

00:06:04.120 No, no, no.

00:06:05.000 My bad. Okay.

00:06:05.800 I've worked on, like, Melrose before and stuff.

00:06:07.800 Okay. And how, how long has painting been your full-time career or job?

00:06:12.840 Uh, seriously, over the last two years, but other than that, um, it was just kind of a hobby. It's still a hobby.

00:06:19.460 Okay. Okay. All right. What about you?

00:06:22.860 Uh, yeah, my name is Kyla Turner. You can find me online at NotSoErditeEverywhere. I'm 31. My job is this. I do content creation full-time, and by content creation, I realize the space that I'm in, I mean, like, political commentary, um, and kind of socio-political commentary.

00:06:39.860 Uh, I am from, where am I from? I live in Tampa area now, but I'm originally from Canada, and my education, I've got a honors undergrad in psychology and a degree in psychometrics, a graduate diploma.

00:06:54.680 All right. And you said you're from Canada originally?

00:06:57.740 Originally, yeah.

00:06:58.380 Okay, got it. And you're, but now you're living in Florida?

00:07:00.880 All right. Cool. What about you?

00:07:03.520 Um, my name is Lexi. I'm 21, about to be 22. Um, I live in Westminster, California, and I work in a baking studio.

00:07:11.980 All right. Uh, any college or anything like that?

00:07:14.520 No, just high school.

00:07:15.320 Just high school. Okay. And you work in a baking studio?

00:07:17.940 Yeah.

00:07:18.340 Okay. Gotcha. All right. Welcome. What about you?

00:07:21.120 Um, hi, I'm Sophia. I'm 24. I do social media and OnlyFans, OnlyFans mostly. And I live in L.A., but originally from Washington State.

00:07:32.700 All right.

00:07:33.720 And I also graduated high school early, no college.

00:07:37.440 No college. And, uh, how long have you been in Los Angeles?

00:07:40.560 Since January. So, four or five months.

00:07:43.380 And when did you start your OF?

00:07:45.420 Uh, two years ago.

00:07:46.400 Two years ago. Okay. Gotcha.

00:07:47.580 Did you move to Los Angeles to kind of, uh, for professional or career purposes?

00:07:53.800 Uh, yeah.

00:07:54.180 Like, it's a better spot to be in Washington.

00:07:55.100 I was in San Diego.

00:07:56.460 Oh, you were in San Diego before that?

00:07:57.560 I'm from Washington State.

00:07:58.960 Okay.

00:07:59.620 After high school, I went to Hawaii. Then San Diego. Now I'm in L.A.

00:08:03.160 Got it.

00:08:03.720 I was driving back and forth between San Diego and L.A. constantly, so I moved up here.

00:08:09.160 All right. Cool. Uh, what about you?

00:08:11.960 I'm Charlie Campbell. I'm from Los Angeles.

00:08:14.680 I have a degree in anthropology from the University of Central Florida.

00:08:21.260 Uh, I'm 25.

00:08:22.660 And for a living, I'm an EMT and a little bit of an actress.

00:08:26.940 Okay.

00:08:27.540 Traditional acting, not adult content.

00:08:29.780 Got it. Okay. 25.

00:08:31.580 And, uh, are you in the, I think maybe I'm thinking of somebody else.

00:08:35.780 Are you in the military or?

00:08:36.960 I am, yes.

00:08:37.760 What branch of the military?

00:08:39.060 U.S. Army.

00:08:39.980 U.S. Army. Okay.

00:08:41.360 National Guard.

00:08:41.940 Are you enlisted or, uh, officer?

00:08:44.020 Yes, sir.

00:08:44.440 I'm enlisted.

00:08:45.340 Okay.

00:08:45.800 And, uh, I work in field artillery.

00:08:48.100 Field artillery.

00:08:49.220 And I might have missed this.

00:08:50.240 Any, uh, college or no?

00:08:52.140 Yeah.

00:08:52.500 Um, I majored in my bachelor's in anthropology with a minor in linguistics.

00:08:57.380 Bachelor of arts?

00:08:58.360 Yeah.

00:08:59.600 With a, okay, got it.

00:09:01.080 Minor in linguistics.

00:09:01.720 Got it.

00:09:02.220 Okay.

00:09:03.140 All right.

00:09:03.880 And, um, what rank are you in the U.S. Army?

00:09:07.060 Oh, geez.

00:09:07.420 What's your rank?

00:09:08.240 Dang, you want my whole life story.

00:09:10.340 I guess.

00:09:11.300 I'm an E5.

00:09:12.300 E5.

00:09:12.680 E5.

00:09:13.220 Okay.

00:09:13.620 Got it.

00:09:14.620 All right.

00:09:15.700 Cool.

00:09:16.860 What about you?

00:09:17.860 Hi.

00:09:18.380 My name is Kelly Vargas.

00:09:19.860 I'm originally from Long Island, New York.

00:09:22.220 Currently live in L.A.

00:09:23.800 I'm 28 years old and I'm a singer-songwriter.

00:09:26.540 I went to, um, Berkeley College of Music for a bachelor's in music.

00:09:30.920 Gotcha.

00:09:31.260 And you said you're a singer?

00:09:32.520 Singer-songwriter.

00:09:33.340 Singer-songwriter.

00:09:34.060 Can we get a little acapella or?

00:09:36.920 Crazy.

00:09:37.600 I mean, anything?

00:09:39.880 Or?

00:09:40.740 You said you do your own, like, you write your own music?

00:09:43.060 Yeah.

00:09:45.260 Yeah, give us one of your originals, I guess.

00:09:47.880 Maybe, like, not the whole thing.

00:09:49.340 Sure.

00:09:49.540 From time to time, something that's always just crossing my mind.

00:09:55.900 We can deny energies that's always feeling aligned.

00:10:00.140 I can't break free.

00:10:01.460 Won't you let me drown in my own desire?

00:10:04.560 Won't you just let it be between you and me?

00:10:07.540 Only getting us tighter.

00:10:09.340 It just makes me wonder why I'm a devil in disguise and you don't mind.

00:10:20.560 All right.

00:10:21.160 Thank you very much.

00:10:21.900 Thank you.

00:10:22.460 Appreciate it.

00:10:22.880 That was good.

00:10:23.720 Great.

00:10:24.480 Whatever now owns that.

00:10:27.460 Wait, so for, uh, in education, you said you went to Berklee School of Music?

00:10:32.420 In Boston, yeah.

00:10:33.340 Into the mic, if you can?

00:10:34.500 In Boston.

00:10:35.420 Okay.

00:10:35.620 Just keep an eye on mics for me, because I can't really, if somebody just shouted out

00:10:39.520 for me.

00:10:40.240 Go ahead.

00:10:41.280 My name's Jim Bob.

00:10:42.280 I'm a political cartoonist.

00:10:43.880 You can find my comics at Made by Jim Bob on Instagram.

00:10:46.700 I'm also a live streamer at Made by Jim Bob at YouTube.

00:10:50.380 Age?

00:10:50.880 Did you say age?

00:10:51.480 44.

00:10:51.940 44.

00:10:52.560 All right.

00:10:52.940 Welcome, welcome.

00:10:54.380 Jay, what about you?

00:10:55.580 Yeah, Jay Dyer.

00:10:56.580 I do comedy.

00:10:57.340 I do media.

00:10:58.920 I do geopolitical analysis.

00:11:00.560 I host the Alex Jones Show for the last five years.

00:11:02.720 I write for the Sam Hyde Show.

00:11:04.060 Uh, and I'm a YouTuber, and, uh, I'm 46.

00:11:07.960 46.

00:11:08.900 All right.

00:11:09.420 And then, uh, education?

00:11:11.700 I did undergrad in philosophy, uh, in Kentucky, and then my grad work is psychological warfare

00:11:16.320 and literature.

00:11:17.780 Uh, was that at a university?

00:11:19.660 Yeah.

00:11:20.120 Murray State.

00:11:20.740 Got it.

00:11:21.380 Okay.

00:11:21.980 Is that English?

00:11:23.280 I didn't know.

00:11:23.680 It's white English.

00:11:24.240 Is that, um, was your master's of arts in English?

00:11:26.600 It's English and philosophy degree.

00:11:28.180 Philosophy cognate.

00:11:29.380 What, you said, uh, the psychological warfare?

00:11:32.000 Yeah, my, my focus in grad work was on psychological warfare and media.

00:11:36.320 What, and, um, so are you an expert in psychological warfare?

00:11:40.000 I don't know about expert, but you're, you've studied it.

00:11:43.180 I mean, I say I had a grad my life.

00:11:43.780 You've studied it.

00:11:44.400 Yeah, I'm published on that.

00:11:45.560 So yeah, in peer review.

00:11:46.680 Tell us, how do you do psychological warfare?

00:11:49.980 Can you tell us that?

00:11:50.820 Um, well, I studied, I studied the way that James Bond was used in the cold war as a symbol

00:11:58.440 for Western, like geopolitics, Western liberal economic theory.

00:12:03.640 So you can use fictional characters as a way to do a culture war.

00:12:08.600 Okay.

00:12:09.180 Got it.

00:12:10.340 So like psychological warfare through media.

00:12:12.940 Yes.

00:12:13.340 Okay.

00:12:13.840 Interesting.

00:12:14.560 Fiction movies, et cetera.

00:12:15.420 Okay.

00:12:16.320 Got it.

00:12:16.700 Got three books on Hollywood.

00:12:17.580 Do you think like, um, like Titanic was psychological warfare?

00:12:22.720 Um, sometimes the blockbusters are, but I don't think Titanic.

00:12:27.200 What about Taylor Swift?

00:12:28.700 Taylor Swift.

00:12:29.980 Uh, well, NATO said they wanted to use Taylor Swift for psyops.

00:12:33.800 So maybe.

00:12:34.800 What about Top Gun?

00:12:36.820 Top Gun actually was.

00:12:38.040 Yeah.

00:12:38.280 There was money.

00:12:38.980 Reagan put money into military recruitment using Top Gun.

00:12:42.140 So yes, correct.

00:12:43.220 There you go.

00:12:44.000 Rock and roll.

00:12:44.700 What's like the number one film?

00:12:46.540 Um, if you, if you had that, maybe not the number one, if you had to point to a film

00:12:50.060 that, that was used as psychological warfare, what, what do you think it would be?

00:12:54.420 Probably the best example.

00:12:55.900 What I focused on was the James Bond franchise as a whole.

00:13:00.520 That's like the best example.

00:13:01.560 And it was explicitly done for that purpose.

00:13:03.680 Got it.

00:13:04.360 Okay, cool.

00:13:05.240 Well, welcome everybody.

00:13:06.340 We're going to go around the table once more.

00:13:08.260 So what's everybody's current relationship status?

00:13:11.360 If you're single, how long have you been single?

00:13:13.260 And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?

00:13:16.380 Go ahead.

00:13:17.140 Um, I've been single since December and the longest relationship that I've been in is

00:13:22.180 a year and a half.

00:13:23.960 All right.

00:13:24.460 So you've been single for about six months.

00:13:26.520 Yeah.

00:13:27.220 Longest year and a half.

00:13:29.640 Was, uh, that the one that ended six months ago?

00:13:33.120 Uh, yes.

00:13:34.340 Okay.

00:13:34.760 Who broke up with who?

00:13:36.360 Uh, I broke up with him.

00:13:38.200 You broke up with him.

00:13:39.140 All right.

00:13:40.080 And then have you been, uh, has there been a rebound?

00:13:43.320 No.

00:13:44.060 No rebound?

00:13:44.700 No.

00:13:45.000 You've been just totally single for six months?

00:13:47.380 Okay.

00:13:48.540 And, uh, all right.

00:13:50.280 What about you?

00:13:51.920 Uh, married for seven years, dated for a year and a half before that.

00:13:57.440 He's my guy.

00:13:58.960 So together total like eight and a half years.

00:14:01.840 All right.

00:14:02.520 Uh, longest relationship prior to him?

00:14:05.960 I mean, we got married when I was like 24.

00:14:07.960 So him.

00:14:10.100 Yeah.

00:14:10.600 Have you had other relationships?

00:14:12.340 Yeah, but they were, I don't think any of them were other years.

00:14:15.100 Not like serious?

00:14:15.500 Yeah.

00:14:16.080 Okay.

00:14:16.740 And how did you guys meet?

00:14:19.040 It's very cringely wholesome.

00:14:20.960 We both worked at a nonprofit high risk kids youth camp.

00:14:26.640 Okay.

00:14:27.360 All right.

00:14:28.260 Rock and roll.

00:14:29.300 What about you?

00:14:30.260 Um, I'm single.

00:14:31.460 Um, as of, I guess, timeline's a little confusing.

00:14:34.700 I'd say like February, probably.

00:14:37.420 Um.

00:14:37.840 What do you mean it's confusing?

00:14:38.960 Like, were you on drugs?

00:14:41.740 No.

00:14:42.760 Like, you don't remember it?

00:14:43.920 I don't want to go all into it now.

00:14:45.380 I can save time for it.

00:14:46.280 Sure.

00:14:46.580 But, um, we both entered the relationship as like spiritual.

00:14:49.540 And then he is in a Muslim family.

00:14:52.000 I'm in a Christian family.

00:14:53.100 We both went back to our religions. 0.96

00:14:55.600 Okay.

00:14:55.740 And, um, it's about like a year and a half in.

00:14:57.720 He just wanted to be Muslim again. 1.00

00:15:00.000 And then we kind of had a companionship for like a year and a half.

00:15:05.220 And it was really confusing.

00:15:07.400 So, we've like still been in contact with each other, but we're not really romantically

00:15:11.260 involved.

00:15:11.780 It's really.

00:15:13.560 When's the last time you spoke to him?

00:15:15.380 Um, like recently.

00:15:18.520 Um, like probably like a week ago.

00:15:20.180 But it was just over some things we have to figure out still.

00:15:23.180 Uh, so not like.

00:15:24.060 When's the last time you saw him in person?

00:15:25.740 Um, it's probably been like a month, I would say.

00:15:28.780 But it was just, again, trying to figure.

00:15:31.560 Figure what?

00:15:32.240 Like things, loose ends.

00:15:33.620 We were like living together.

00:15:35.140 Okay.

00:15:35.200 And stuff like that.

00:15:36.220 So, just kind of like.

00:15:37.160 Financial stuff?

00:15:37.900 Yeah.

00:15:38.140 Stuff like that, basically.

00:15:39.420 Yeah.

00:15:39.620 Okay.

00:15:40.100 It's really confusing.

00:15:41.320 So, you guys split up in February.

00:15:43.140 So, about four months ago.

00:15:44.420 Yeah.

00:15:44.700 I had someone come move in with me temporarily.

00:15:47.020 So, he left.

00:15:47.700 And then we kind of just.

00:15:48.740 Okay.

00:15:49.340 Yeah.

00:15:49.660 But you, ever since the, uh, I guess the breakup four months, or in February, there's not been any.

00:15:58.620 I've been talking to people.

00:15:59.780 I went on dating apps.

00:16:01.540 That's it.

00:16:01.820 No, but like with him.

00:16:02.820 Oh, yeah.

00:16:02.960 Oh, with him.

00:16:03.380 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:16:04.060 Has there been carnal knowledge?

00:16:05.340 No.

00:16:05.740 No, no, no.

00:16:06.160 No carnal knowledge.

00:16:06.500 There wasn't for a year.

00:16:07.800 The last year and a half was kind of what I'm getting at.

00:16:10.080 Oh, it was dead better.

00:16:10.200 Like we were not romantically involved.

00:16:11.980 It was like a companionship.

00:16:13.800 Okay.

00:16:14.120 It was very strange.

00:16:15.000 And how long were you guys together?

00:16:16.340 Three years.

00:16:17.040 Three years.

00:16:17.660 So, this is longest.

00:16:18.300 If you count.

00:16:18.680 Longest relationship?

00:16:19.840 Yes.

00:16:20.400 Yeah.

00:16:20.520 Okay.

00:16:21.140 So, when you first met, you guys were spiritual.

00:16:22.940 Then you got more in touch with your Christianity.

00:16:25.940 He got more in touch with Islam.

00:16:29.260 Did you try to convert each other?

00:16:31.280 So, we were really respectful of each other's religions.

00:16:34.680 But I think the hope was maybe one of us would.

00:16:37.460 Well, that's a dating show. 1.00

00:16:38.820 Try to convert each other.

00:16:39.980 Oh, yeah.

00:16:40.520 Seriously.

00:16:40.980 Yeah.

00:16:41.460 It's a rough one.

00:16:43.420 But, yeah.

00:16:43.980 It didn't work.

00:16:44.800 So, yeah.

00:16:46.040 So, now we just let it be what it is.

00:16:47.560 And you said, though, since you guys have broken up, you have been dating other people?

00:16:52.400 Yeah.

00:16:52.720 I've gone on some dates and talked to a few people.

00:16:54.760 Okay.

00:16:55.180 Yeah.

00:16:55.420 When's the last time you went on a date?

00:16:57.780 It was a week ago.

00:17:01.100 All right.

00:17:01.480 Was it a first date, second date, third date?

00:17:03.020 First date.

00:17:03.660 First date.

00:17:04.400 All right.

00:17:04.880 And so, do you have a roster currently?

00:17:06.360 I do not.

00:17:07.120 No.

00:17:07.340 I don't like, I haven't liked any of them.

00:17:10.600 They're all really weird.

00:17:11.800 They're all weird?

00:17:12.360 They're so weird.

00:17:13.280 Are you weird?

00:17:14.380 Maybe.

00:17:14.980 I think I'm attracting weird people.

00:17:17.300 Okay.

00:17:18.080 All right.

00:17:18.520 Yeah.

00:17:18.940 And what makes them weird, I guess?

00:17:21.280 Well, it's kind of, a lot of them have been kind of like, almost, meeting a lot of men

00:17:27.820 who are like, kind of want to be like passenger princess.

00:17:29.900 Like, they're kind of almost feminine.

00:17:31.480 And it's kind of, it's strange.

00:17:33.460 And they've also, like, two of them were like shorter than I thought they would be.

00:17:38.000 And I'm talking like an inch shorter than me.

00:17:40.100 And I didn't expect that.

00:17:41.620 How tall are you?

00:17:42.240 I'm 5'6".

00:17:43.200 Okay.

00:17:43.620 And I'm okay with like my height, but it was like shorter than me.

00:17:46.500 And I didn't know that.

00:17:47.860 And it was just really weird and awkward.

00:17:49.740 So, yeah, I don't know.

00:17:50.980 How, how were you meeting these guys?

00:17:52.660 Dating apps?

00:17:53.360 Yeah.

00:17:53.780 Okay.

00:17:54.340 Unfortunately.

00:17:54.680 So, they were lying on their dating profile?

00:17:56.560 Yeah.

00:17:56.880 Or they just didn't, they didn't put it.

00:17:58.480 Yeah.

00:17:58.840 Or they didn't show it.

00:17:59.640 Got it.

00:18:00.120 Yeah.

00:18:00.300 Okay.

00:18:00.920 Can I just have you scoot your microphone that way?

00:18:03.600 Or, sorry, that way.

00:18:04.700 Yep.

00:18:05.340 All right.

00:18:05.600 What about you?

00:18:06.900 Recently single.

00:18:08.000 Recently single.

00:18:08.880 Okay.

00:18:09.300 Like a week ago?

00:18:09.980 I'm talking a week ago.

00:18:11.360 One week.

00:18:12.100 Okay.

00:18:12.480 It was fresh.

00:18:13.280 How long were you dating the guy?

00:18:15.100 Four months.

00:18:15.700 It's like basically since I moved to LA.

00:18:18.660 All right.

00:18:19.080 Who broke up with who?

00:18:20.280 I broke up with him.

00:18:21.880 What?

00:18:24.020 Over a lot of things.

00:18:25.720 We tend to argue a little bit, but we just didn't have the same preferences.

00:18:31.080 Meaning sexual preferences.

00:18:33.180 Oh.

00:18:33.740 Was he?

00:18:34.140 It just wasn't aligned.

00:18:36.280 He was gay? 0.62

00:18:37.220 No.

00:18:37.660 I think I just wanted more than what I was receiving.

00:18:41.980 Oh. 0.99

00:18:42.180 So, you, wait, you had a high sex drive and he had a low sex drive? 0.99

00:18:45.720 No. 1.00

00:18:46.180 Sex drive was fine. 0.85

00:18:47.080 I think preferences wise. 0.76

00:18:48.800 You wanted to peg him?

00:18:50.520 No.

00:18:51.380 I think I just, I really like it like rough. 0.99

00:18:54.920 Like beat the shit out of me rough. 0.96

00:18:57.620 Like it's like, and he just wasn't comfortable with that. 0.98

00:19:01.180 And I don't think it was.

00:19:03.940 Wait, you, so there, well, there's, so there's different levels of rough. 0.99

00:19:07.560 If you're saying there's rough, then there's beat the shit out of you rough. 0.97

00:19:10.380 There's catch a case rough. 0.99

00:19:11.940 I'm talking like a cute little black guy rough. 1.00

00:19:14.180 Wait, sorry. 0.96

00:19:15.320 Repeat that.

00:19:16.840 Wait, what?

00:19:19.180 Wait, cute.

00:19:20.000 I'm sweating.

00:19:20.660 Is that a reference?

00:19:21.420 I don't know the reference.

00:19:22.560 Cute little black guy.

00:19:23.560 Black guy. 0.70

00:19:24.580 Oh, I thought you said black guy. 0.98

00:19:26.920 Oh, no. 0.87

00:19:27.960 Everyone heard cute little black guy. 0.95

00:19:29.940 I was like, I guess they could be a little.

00:19:32.680 Okay.

00:19:33.040 Okay.

00:19:33.460 No, no, no.

00:19:33.840 Cute little black eye.

00:19:35.500 Like a little, like, you know, a little choke, like lots of choking, a little slap, but maybe

00:19:39.720 like, you know, leave a mark here and there.

00:19:42.740 Okay.

00:19:43.540 Is that what you wanted to do to him?

00:19:45.280 No, I wanted that done to me and he wasn't comfortable, which, hey, I, I totally get it.

00:19:50.580 Like that can, you know, turn into other things, but I like, I don't know.

00:19:56.380 So it just wasn't mixing.

00:19:57.760 I mean, you can't live your life forever, not doing what you want to do.

00:20:02.480 Yeah.

00:20:03.560 So essentially he just wasn't willing to do that.

00:20:10.560 Enough.

00:20:11.340 Yeah.

00:20:11.760 And okay.

00:20:13.200 All right.

00:20:13.840 Like, was he otherwise great?

00:20:16.540 Yeah, he was pretty cool.

00:20:18.140 Oh, okay.

00:20:18.720 He was, okay.

00:20:20.280 So just wasn't hurting you enough.

00:20:22.600 And so that was the.

00:20:24.140 Just wasn't a criminal.

00:20:25.320 Just wasn't willing to.

00:20:27.480 I guess so.

00:20:28.480 Yeah.

00:20:28.940 Okay.

00:20:29.760 All right.

00:20:30.300 You know, look, I guess people have their, you know, maybe we'll, you know what, I want

00:20:36.620 to get into that a little bit.

00:20:38.740 Not once.

00:20:40.700 Well, not into that, but I mean, I want to discuss it.

00:20:43.440 Uh, let's, so are, are you, uh, is this like a BDSM thing or you just enjoy rough?

00:20:51.100 Yeah.

00:20:51.500 I wouldn't say I put like a BDSM, BDSM label on it.

00:20:56.180 Um, I guess it's just what I prefer.

00:20:59.840 I don't know.

00:21:00.740 Maybe it's the corn I watch.

00:21:03.160 I don't know.

00:21:04.580 Maybe I'm ruined.

00:21:06.680 Okay.

00:21:07.640 And, uh, this was your longest or no, what, what was your longest relationship?

00:21:11.760 A year and a half.

00:21:12.600 A year and a half.

00:21:13.180 Okay.

00:21:14.020 Got it.

00:21:14.520 Who broke up with who in that relationship?

00:21:16.140 Um, I left him.

00:21:17.360 Got it.

00:21:17.800 Okay.

00:21:18.080 What about you?

00:21:18.520 Um, I'm currently engaged and it's long distance and, uh, we've been together for about two

00:21:27.860 years now and I don't know.

00:21:31.680 Okay.

00:21:32.360 Uh, has, has it always been long distance?

00:21:34.640 Um, not entirely.

00:21:36.000 When we first met, I was actually working at a prison in Florida and she was working at

00:21:40.780 an air force base and, uh, also Florida.

00:21:43.580 And that's when we started talking and dating.

00:21:46.140 Are you a lesbian? 1.00

00:21:49.180 I'm bisexual.

00:21:50.440 Bisexual.

00:21:51.120 Okay.

00:21:52.780 Um, so, okay.

00:21:55.120 Engaged for, and you've been seeing each other for two years.

00:21:58.200 Yeah.

00:21:59.060 A little over two years, but yeah, she currently lives in Washington DC and I live in LA.

00:22:06.000 Okay.

00:22:06.720 I know, but like, no, we, we fly out and see each other like every month.

00:22:10.340 So it's like, if it's long distance, but like, honestly, not really since we see each

00:22:14.260 other for like six or seven days a month out of the month.

00:22:17.360 So it's like, all right, cool.

00:22:21.000 Um, and is this, is this your longest relationship?

00:22:25.180 It is.

00:22:25.880 And it's also my healthiest.

00:22:27.600 All right.

00:22:28.200 You said two years together.

00:22:30.040 Yes.

00:22:31.160 All right.

00:22:32.020 Cool.

00:22:33.520 What about you?

00:22:34.300 I'm currently single and not counting situationships.

00:22:39.140 It's been about like six years, I think, since I've been in a committed relationship.

00:22:43.800 Okay.

00:22:44.600 There were are, there have been some situationships.

00:22:46.700 The longest relationship?

00:22:48.360 Um, about a year.

00:22:50.800 All right.

00:22:51.500 One year.

00:22:53.260 Uh, how many in the past six years that you've been single, how many situationships have you

00:22:57.520 had?

00:22:57.880 A lot.

00:22:58.300 Uh, define what, what's a lot?

00:23:01.460 Um, more than enough.

00:23:03.140 I would say too many people that just, I, um, I mean, I would say maybe like over 10,

00:23:12.220 if you want a number.

00:23:13.400 Over 10.

00:23:13.900 Sure.

00:23:14.740 And, uh, how long do they typically last?

00:23:19.220 Short term, like three months, max.

00:23:21.280 A couple months.

00:23:21.980 Okay.

00:23:22.280 Four.

00:23:22.980 Uh, are you currently in a situationship?

00:23:25.800 No, I just got out of one a couple of months ago.

00:23:28.000 A couple months ago.

00:23:28.800 Okay.

00:23:29.440 Are there any guys in the picture currently?

00:23:31.580 No.

00:23:32.420 No guys?

00:23:33.200 Nope.

00:23:33.480 Are you on dating apps?

00:23:34.740 I am, um, on and off.

00:23:36.620 I have like a hate relationship with it.

00:23:38.480 Love hate. 0.88

00:23:39.100 Love hate.

00:23:39.780 Okay.

00:23:40.860 Uh, so no guys in the picture though?

00:23:43.320 No.

00:23:43.680 Not even texting?

00:23:44.640 You don't have a sneaky link?

00:23:45.880 Nothing?

00:23:46.340 No.

00:23:46.760 I mean, I am like going on dates, first dates.

00:23:49.160 They're just not sticking on both ends.

00:23:51.200 Not sticking.

00:23:52.040 Okay.

00:23:52.520 All right.

00:23:53.060 Got it.

00:23:54.180 Jim Bob, what about you?

00:23:55.120 Uh, nine years with my wife.

00:23:57.620 Uh, uh, happy.

00:23:59.080 Happy Mother's Day, Megan.

00:24:00.540 Uh, let's get some W's for all the mothers in the chat. 1.00

00:24:03.200 Happy Mother's Day, W's.

00:24:04.700 And, uh, definitely the longest relationship.

00:24:07.060 All right.

00:24:08.120 Jay, what about, what about you?

00:24:09.840 Uh, married for five years and we dated for about four before that.

00:24:13.700 So I've been with Jamie for the past nine years.

00:24:16.100 Nine years to it.

00:24:16.640 And, uh, yeah.

00:24:18.380 Uh, do you have any kids, Jay?

00:24:19.660 We do not have kids, no.

00:24:20.900 And Jim Bob, do you have?

00:24:22.000 Three.

00:24:22.780 Anybody?

00:24:23.440 Kids?

00:24:24.080 Kids?

00:24:24.480 Okay.

00:24:25.600 Are you going to have?

00:24:26.040 Could you imagine if I announced my pregnancy like right now?

00:24:28.240 I'm not pregnant, but.

00:24:29.100 You should.

00:24:30.060 I'm not pregnant.

00:24:30.920 Oh, okay.

00:24:31.160 I could lie for you.

00:24:32.000 I'm pregnant.

00:24:32.860 One on the way.

00:24:33.540 Give us the exclusive when you are pregnant, I guess. 1.00

00:24:36.340 We'll see.

00:24:36.800 We'll negotiate price.

00:24:38.260 Love it.

00:24:38.800 All right.

00:24:39.320 That's everybody's relationship status.

00:24:41.020 Really quickly, I'm just going to pull up.

00:24:43.760 We have a chat coming through.

00:24:46.020 We have ID bro.

00:24:47.360 Oh, this is related to the debate from yesterday.

00:24:50.860 Erudite is wrong.

00:24:52.320 Flowers were, oh, somehow.

00:24:55.360 Okay.

00:24:55.800 Jews were patrilineal until around 29 to 4 BCE.

00:25:00.160 The change was made by Hallel and the Sanhedrin.

00:25:04.960 Did I say that right?

00:25:06.120 Due to the issue of Jewish identity of Roman.

00:25:09.040 Love babies.

00:25:09.840 Love babies.

00:25:10.780 Political issues with Herod's kids.

00:25:13.200 Okay.

00:25:13.280 He's basically saying there was a time when Jewish people were patrilineal and then like

00:25:17.420 basically for the rest of their history, they've been matrilineal. 0.99

00:25:20.260 So I'm not really sure why that's a correction, but thanks, buddy.

00:25:22.640 That's like more nuance.

00:25:23.740 Appreciate it.

00:25:24.340 Rock and roll.

00:25:24.760 If he's right, I don't know.

00:25:25.840 Yo, Thomas, thanks for the $2 on Cash App.

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00:25:43.740 And yeah, so we're going to just jump.

00:25:45.940 Actually, before we jump into the show notes, I wanted to touch back on that thing really

00:25:50.120 quick.

00:25:51.040 Is it, so Jay, are you, you're an Orthodox Christian? 1.00

00:25:55.320 Is it okay to do that shit if you're a Christian or especially an Orthodox Christian? 0.99

00:26:03.400 Jim, Bob, Jay, can you do? 1.00

00:26:06.060 I mean, I think there's levity.

00:26:08.680 There's room for, you know, things between a husband and a wife. 0.50

00:26:12.040 So there are some lines.

00:26:14.060 I don't know that there's an easy, hard set line as to what that is that maybe a husband

00:26:19.140 and wife have to determine. 1.00

00:26:20.720 But I do think that there might be a danger in this situation.

00:26:24.640 I'm not saying this about you, but like there could be a situation where like if you requested

00:26:30.120 that, like that could put the dude in a legal situation.

00:26:34.080 Do you know what I mean?

00:26:34.780 Like not that you would necessarily do that, but you might say, oh, look, you know, if you

00:26:39.420 guys have a fight, right?

00:26:40.320 Like, well, look what he did to me.

00:26:42.260 So it's just like, I think there's a lot of reasons and ways why it's just not safe for

00:26:48.480 a dude necessarily to get into that.

00:26:50.940 Um, and I would say that, yeah, like from a religious perspective, it's odd.

00:26:58.800 I don't know.

00:26:59.480 I would add that, uh, if that type of thing continued, let's say you got married and you

00:27:04.520 had children, it would certainly be confusing for the child if they were to find out the

00:27:10.520 way daddy loves mommy actually is harmful.

00:27:14.800 It might actually produce a scenario where the children end up seeking people to hurt

00:27:20.580 them because they think that's love.

00:27:22.700 Well, I'm so sorry to interject.

00:27:25.480 Um, I feel like there's a way to work around that, um, as in maybe have like a boundary and

00:27:32.460 that's something you probably discuss with your partners.

00:27:34.400 Like, Hey, as long as it's in an area that's concealable, like under the collarbones, it's

00:27:39.020 fair game, but like your face, something that you have to use and see every single day, maybe

00:27:43.900 that can be spoken about.

00:27:45.460 It doesn't necessarily mean like punch me in my face, you know?

00:27:48.520 I don't know.

00:27:49.120 I mean, then I would say that that's actually then practicing sort of some level of deception

00:27:54.860 and withhold, which is another practice that might be into question.

00:27:58.480 Like not telling your kids your kinks is the deception? 0.93

00:28:01.640 Well, I mean, if you're, if you're, it doesn't change the fact that your husband or the father,

00:28:07.180 you know, your father is harming what's definitionally harming your, your mother.

00:28:11.560 Or do you, would you though, like for other kinks, cause this is obviously like a pretty 1.00

00:28:15.180 extreme kink, what kinks are allowed in Eastern Orthodox?

00:28:18.020 I actually don't know.

00:28:18.740 I wouldn't know what's considered a kink and what's considered just like anything that's

00:28:23.480 like creative or vanilla sex is going to be like a kink. 0.99

00:28:25.880 So like, can you piss on each other in Eastern Orthodox? 1.00

00:28:28.920 I, I, I'm just going to guess. 0.94

00:28:30.620 No, uh, I would say that would be a perversion.

00:28:33.220 That's a perversion. 1.00

00:28:34.260 What about oral sex? 0.99

00:28:36.060 I'm not, I'm not sure what a priest, I've never had that conversation. 0.99

00:28:40.240 Do you have to tell your kids about it or are you being deceptive to your kids if you

00:28:43.240 don't tell them about your kink practice with your...

00:28:45.580 Well, I mean, you don't have to be explicit with what's considered sexuality, but what's

00:28:51.000 considered sexuality would still have a standard underneath a Christian view.

00:28:54.580 And then, uh, what's considered a perversion would also have that, but outside of Christianity,

00:29:00.000 there's no such thing as perversion.

00:29:02.900 Outside of, so non-Christians can't do perverse things or... 1.00

00:29:05.700 Well, they can do it, but they don't have, I'm saying their worldview, they can't tell

00:29:09.360 you what's perverse, what's proper, what's normal.

00:29:12.900 It's all just kind of like preference.

00:29:14.520 If you feel something from something and you feel good from someone doing something otherwise,

00:29:19.200 uh, let's say perverse in another paradigm, you can't really say it's wrong or, or right

00:29:26.200 or good or bad.

00:29:27.540 It's just kind of...

00:29:27.980 Oh, you're saying secular people can't like weigh in on what it's...

00:29:29.940 Yeah, they can't really, uh, there's no standard there.

00:29:32.680 Gotcha.

00:29:33.420 I guess I'm not really thinking about children when I'm doing this.

00:29:36.900 I don't really have like a future of having children.

00:29:40.140 So I guess I never thought of it in that way.

00:29:42.500 I can see that.

00:29:43.640 I think maybe if I did mature a little, grow up a little, maybe it wouldn't be a thing,

00:29:50.820 but I have no way of foreseeing the future.

00:29:55.040 Do you think you'll want kids when you get older?

00:29:57.580 Maybe.

00:29:58.140 I feel like I'm 24 now.

00:29:59.500 That's still very young, but you know, women only have a period of time where they can really 1.00

00:30:05.780 decide and actually do it.

00:30:08.320 Um, and as for now, my answer's no.

00:30:11.460 So who's going to take care of you later on in life?

00:30:16.100 I don't know.

00:30:16.960 I don't really think about the future that way, I guess.

00:30:20.620 Um, I feel like that's kind of like, I'm, I'm trying to find the words.

00:30:26.060 Um, I feel like that's a burden that the children didn't ask for.

00:30:30.580 You know, you shouldn't have kids just because you want somebody to take care of you in your

00:30:35.380 old age.

00:30:35.880 Well, I didn't say that.

00:30:36.500 That's the only reason.

00:30:37.320 Well, no, no, no.

00:30:38.020 I know.

00:30:38.400 Um, and I'm not implying that I'm just saying that in general, um, I think there should

00:30:42.980 be that, that shouldn't even be an expectation.

00:30:45.820 Is it nice to have kids that, that take care of you when you're old?

00:30:49.520 Absolutely.

00:30:49.980 That'd be nice, but that's not an expectation that should be set forth.

00:30:54.680 I don't think.

00:30:55.260 I think it is.

00:30:55.840 Well, yeah.

00:30:56.320 It's a duty.

00:30:56.880 Yeah, it is a duty.

00:30:57.620 And also, I don't think the reasoning, uh, using the reason, I don't think, uh, that's

00:31:02.400 a burden a kid asked for.

00:31:04.360 Well, from that logic, a kid didn't ask to be born or to be, uh, to have the burden of

00:31:10.040 learning a language properly, schooling, uh, everything else you could put under that

00:31:14.980 umbrella of burdenship.

00:31:16.320 I don't think, uh, people actually, uh, have a say in a lot of times of what their burden

00:31:21.320 is.

00:31:21.600 Right.

00:31:22.400 And, and just to respond to that is, um, I like, for example, I do plan on taking care

00:31:28.020 of my mother and I am an EMT.

00:31:30.260 Um, I drop off old people, you know, to their facilities all the time. 1.00

00:31:33.900 And sometimes I look at their ages and I'm like, wow, my mom's only like six years younger

00:31:38.120 than that.

00:31:38.580 And these people are like completely bedridden.

00:31:40.860 And so, um, I do, I do think like I am going to take care of my mom, but just sometimes 0.96

00:31:48.220 shit hits the fan and you don't have that great relationship with your parents or maybe 0.99

00:31:53.240 they're crappy parents and you feel like you owe them nothing. 1.00

00:31:56.260 And I, and I know that that can lead into like, well, they gave you life, they raised 0.97

00:31:59.760 you, they fed you, they clothed you.

00:32:00.920 But a lot of times it's not even the case.

00:32:03.720 Yeah.

00:32:04.080 It's not a universal rule.

00:32:05.520 Like there could be exceptions, but you wouldn't make the exceptions, the universal rule because

00:32:09.500 there are exceptions.

00:32:10.640 So I think most people's parents do provide for them.

00:32:14.500 And the expectation is that you would then return the favor when they get older, but

00:32:19.080 there could be toxic people who are completely, you know, dangerous or something.

00:32:23.500 Um, no, for sure.

00:32:24.340 And you mentioned like duty, um, a duty according to whom, I guess.

00:32:28.800 Like for me, it's like, I would do it because growing up, it's like my life story growing

00:32:34.300 up.

00:32:34.660 My mom was a janitor for three different things. 1.00

00:32:37.260 Um, single mom, mostly.

00:32:39.500 Um, I saw my dad like every third weekend, but my mom worked basically on top of child 0.99

00:32:45.000 support, worked three jobs as a janitor for a college, a school and a church.

00:32:49.020 And she put a lot of expectation for me to go to school.

00:32:52.920 And that's why, like, for example, I joined the military so that I can get my school paid

00:32:56.760 for because I didn't want to burden my mom with probably having to pick a fourth or fifth

00:33:00.920 job just to pay my way through.

00:33:02.400 And so to me, it's like genuine, like, okay, I will take care of you because you've, you've

00:33:07.960 raised me into the person that I am today.

00:33:09.520 And so I guess to circle back, long story shortcake, um, I guess what do you, what do

00:33:15.380 you define as like duty?

00:33:16.660 Like what, who, a duty according to whom?

00:33:21.920 Well, I mean, I, I, I get my duties from an orthodox Christian paradigm.

00:33:27.060 I would say that absent that, um, uh, just like other standards, I don't think, I don't

00:33:33.540 think anyone has a duty outside of that worldview.

00:33:36.380 Okay.

00:33:37.920 Um, for you, I mean, it's, yeah, I have a similar take as Jim Bob.

00:33:42.180 I mean, there are duties that would be informed by the worldview that you have, your upbringing

00:33:46.860 by your, your parents.

00:33:48.060 And I mean, again, I think even if you have bad parents, you still probably want to return

00:33:52.980 the favor to some degree.

00:33:54.260 I mean, I was raised by a single mom.

00:33:55.700 I had a absentee dad, but I would still take care of my dad.

00:33:59.840 He's in that health right now.

00:34:01.100 So we try to help them out as best we can.

00:34:03.380 But I mean, I think this is just an expectation that most civilizations, most cultures had until

00:34:10.780 we got to modernity where you can kind of be this individual with no ties, no boundaries,

00:34:17.020 no expectations, no duties.

00:34:19.320 So we're living this weird experiment that it's, it's a historical, it's weird.

00:34:24.360 So even the current family structure, usually it's our, at least Jay and I are, uh, share

00:34:30.640 a worldview where you kind of defend the family and it's in a nuclear sense, but then you go,

00:34:35.640 wait a second, even that is individualistic.

00:34:38.640 If you really think about it comparatively to other cultures or, or historically where

00:34:43.420 there was like a big generational family.

00:34:45.780 And now you have this unit and now inside the unit, now you have even more individual units.

00:34:51.340 And I think when, when he says modernity, like individualism, uh, materialism, uh, pursuing

00:34:57.460 wants and desires above all things, go live your life, do what you want to do.

00:35:01.500 People are kind of drawn into a mindset, basically inherit a mindset that, uh, that justifies just

00:35:09.820 their own personal pursuits.

00:35:11.220 And this is where you get into these issues of like, well, what's, is there any obligation

00:35:15.420 to the collective at all?

00:35:17.180 Um, at this point, um, it's actually hard to see, uh, for a lot of people that, that there's

00:35:23.920 something beyond their own life and what they want.

00:35:27.200 Is there anything, is there anything else?

00:35:29.160 That's really interesting.

00:35:29.880 I'm super, are you guys on pretty opposed to capitalism?

00:35:34.160 No.

00:35:35.080 I mean, that's like an economic system to a degree.

00:35:37.420 Like, is there, what, what economic system do you guys prefer?

00:35:40.580 Like communism, like high regulation of markets?

00:35:43.880 I think capitalism, um, it can be kind of like a tool.

00:35:49.140 Yeah.

00:35:49.300 It's like asking like if a hammer is wrong.

00:35:52.240 I think capitalism itself, uh, and what it produces without any sort of, um, ethical paradigm

00:35:58.620 that's guiding it is horrific.

00:36:00.960 Sure.

00:36:01.300 So like the reason I'm asking is you talked about like individualism and whatnot, which

00:36:04.880 is very, in many ways, what drives a lot of capitalism, right?

00:36:08.100 It's like individual want and whims and materialism is pretty central to, especially our modern

00:36:13.280 day capitalism.

00:36:13.860 So you're pretty opposed to capitalism.

00:36:16.320 Uh, it's not the opposition to capitalism itself.

00:36:19.840 Like I said, you can oppose a number of things if it, if it doesn't have a guiding ethical

00:36:25.460 principle.

00:36:25.900 So for instance, I'm not opposed to people using their God given gifts in exchange for

00:36:31.260 money or other things.

00:36:33.100 That's just, uh, that's like a, an exchange of your will and your, and your labor.

00:36:38.080 Uh, if that's inside of a system you call capitalistic, um, then fine.

00:36:42.720 But I think Jay will add that the complexity and the implications of capitalism at a larger

00:36:48.440 scale is, uh, beyond what most people think, consider, uh, favorable.

00:36:54.240 Like, you know what I mean?

00:36:55.280 Like it gets to some limit.

00:36:56.680 Yeah.

00:36:56.900 So you guys would be for like a decent amount of government regulation to ensure like some

00:37:01.900 level of ethical principle maintained by the capitalist structure.

00:37:04.660 So you guys kind of want that government oversight.

00:37:07.100 Obviously you might not want this government.

00:37:08.440 There's going to be some degree of that, right?

00:37:09.180 Because I mean, you have tariffs, um, tariffs are a way to protect the nation state and the

00:37:15.460 people that work in that nation state.

00:37:16.980 It's one purpose of tariffs.

00:37:17.520 So to get rid of, I didn't say it was the only purpose, I said it's a purpose.

00:37:20.840 So you don't have to correct that because it was just a sentence.

00:37:23.560 Um, you don't have to let me know cause I know what I'm talking about.

00:37:27.160 You asked me a question, I'm going to finish it.

00:37:29.220 Okay.

00:37:29.700 Go for it.

00:37:30.060 So tariffs protect the workers of that nation and monarchies, which were patriarchy.

00:37:37.280 They can be, yeah.

00:37:38.440 The ones in Western civilization are patriarchal.

00:37:39.960 Well, there's lots of things that can be patriarchal.

00:37:41.440 They were in Western civilization, just like ancient Israel, they were patriarchal.

00:37:45.440 Those protected the workers.

00:37:47.380 So there's has to be some degree of structure and limitation to the, uh, to the economy.

00:37:53.940 So yes, a limited economic control.

00:37:56.980 And guilds were kind of cool.

00:37:58.020 No, that's where that's, that's the purpose of guilds and tariffs is somewhere.

00:38:01.980 Yeah.

00:38:02.160 Yeah.

00:38:02.280 To the union.

00:38:03.660 Uh, I guess similar.

00:38:05.440 The original purpose of unions was yes, to guard against monopoly capitalism.

00:38:09.720 So to answer your question, monopoly capitalism, yes, is a problem, but the basic principles

00:38:15.180 of like Austrian economics, free market, I have a Bitcoin shirt.

00:38:18.420 No, it's not bad.

00:38:22.220 Okay.

00:38:22.860 All right. 0.99

00:38:23.320 This all came from rough sex. 0.97

00:38:26.600 Interesting how conversations will, uh, meander their way to different things.

00:38:30.000 Um, getting into the pre-show notes, why don't we start with, I'll start with Sophia.

00:38:35.040 So you said your ex-boyfriend, is this the one you just broke up with or a different one?

00:38:39.140 Okay.

00:38:39.420 Ex-boyfriend scammed you, scammed you in many ways.

00:38:43.400 He made fake stalking emails to get you to move to San Diego with him.

00:38:47.740 Then he got you into OnlyFans and ultimately pimped you out on OnlyFans and took almost all

00:38:54.760 of your money.

00:38:55.620 He put an Amex, put an Amex card under your name.

00:38:59.280 Uh, he stole your social security number, spent over $20,000, left you in debt, hacked

00:39:03.780 all your socials and OnlyFans and continues to do it to every other girl he deals with. 0.87

00:39:08.600 Uh, so what, I guess what's the story there?

00:39:11.400 Ugh, that's like a long, long, long story.

00:39:14.600 But, um, yeah, I mean, just from the beginning, the whole stalking emails, I was living in Hawaii

00:39:21.000 on my own, met him on Hinge when he was visiting Hawaii.

00:39:25.380 Um, we did long distance for maybe like a month or two.

00:39:29.160 I was 19 at the time, um, or 20, 19 or 20 at the time. 0.99

00:39:35.440 Very dumb, very delusional. 0.95

00:39:38.060 Um, and yeah, he sent me a bunch of emails basically saying like, I know where you live. 1.00

00:39:44.780 You just walked in with your groceries.

00:39:46.720 I'm going to come up and, you know, I say you, all, all the things, very scary, very,

00:39:52.780 and it was him the whole time and I knew because after I moved in with him into San Diego and

00:39:59.320 all of that stuff, I went through his computer and saw all of the emails from different fake

00:40:05.060 emails of him emailing me from a number of emails.

00:40:10.440 Um, but that ultimately, ultimately got me to move from Hawaii to San Diego out of fear,

00:40:17.760 basically.

00:40:19.400 Okay.

00:40:20.760 Um, but yeah, the whole getting me to do OnlyFans thing, he just said that he knew how to do it.

00:40:25.920 He knew how he was going to get me to make money.

00:40:27.660 And I mean, I was down.

00:40:29.420 I'm not saying he forced me to do it.

00:40:31.580 Um, but I am saying that he got me to do a lot of things that I wouldn't have done at

00:40:37.720 the age that I was at or where I was at at the time.

00:40:42.680 Um, wait, wouldn't have done absent what?

00:40:46.260 Like if you say there's a bunch of things I did at the time that I otherwise wouldn't

00:40:50.960 have done other.

00:40:52.240 I wouldn't have put my entire body on the internet and done, um, the things that he had me do

00:40:59.120 on video.

00:41:00.020 If not, what is it?

00:41:02.060 Persuasion?

00:41:02.860 Is it persuasion?

00:41:04.240 Yeah, it's, it was that.

00:41:05.300 And I, I'm like, like I said, like, I know there'll be a huge argument over forced and

00:41:11.220 persuasion and you have a choice and whatnot.

00:41:14.600 Um, like I said, I was delusional and I was very young and I wasn't sticking up for myself.

00:41:22.260 Um, seeing as how you're not with him now, um, and this is like an honest question that

00:41:29.560 comes from like, I'm just, I want to know.

00:41:31.440 Um, there's no like loaded meaning, um, do you, do you choose to plan on stopping at

00:41:37.740 any point?

00:41:39.240 No, like this is my life now, honestly.

00:41:42.360 Like it is what it is, but I'm a whole different person now because of it.

00:41:48.440 So like I said, I wouldn't have done those things when I was 19 and 20, but I did it and

00:41:52.720 now I'm full blown doing it.

00:41:55.160 Like I didn't stop doing OnlyFans when I left him because like, to be fair, like the money

00:42:01.640 is very good.

00:42:02.540 I like working from home.

00:42:03.960 I like doing what I do now and I am doing it to my extent now.

00:42:08.600 I'm doing it to my comfortability now.

00:42:11.580 I'm in charge.

00:42:12.720 Like on your own terms, basically.

00:42:14.180 Yeah.

00:42:14.440 I wasn't, I wasn't in charge in any way.

00:42:17.280 Like he had my passwords.

00:42:18.900 He had my everything.

00:42:19.760 He sent me things to do.

00:42:21.120 He made like, I say he made me get on OnlyFans live because he did.

00:42:27.720 Like he put me in the room.

00:42:29.740 He shut the door.

00:42:30.620 He turned the camera.

00:42:31.480 Like he made me go live.

00:42:33.340 And if I didn't, it would have been a fight more or less.

00:42:37.900 You said, uh, the money is really good.

00:42:39.640 Are you able to share like how much you make on average or?

00:42:43.260 Um, I'm making around like 25 K a month.

00:42:47.780 Okay.

00:42:48.640 And what's the highest you've ever made in, in a month?

00:42:52.240 Um, 40,000, 40 K.

00:42:53.960 Okay, cool.

00:42:55.520 Uh, and then you also, in your notes here, you said you wanted to speak on leaving toxic

00:43:00.120 men and how to know you're dating a con artist.

00:43:03.320 Because I dated, he was a con artist.

00:43:05.420 That was the guy.

00:43:05.680 Okay.

00:43:06.200 He was 38, I think when I met, 37, when I met him, his hinge profile said 30.

00:43:12.120 Um, he said he was six foot.

00:43:14.700 I can't say, can't say he was pushing, he was maybe five, six.

00:43:21.080 And he said he was six foot.

00:43:22.140 Mm-hmm.

00:43:22.560 When I met him.

00:43:23.240 Oh man, you got conned.

00:43:24.800 Yeah.

00:43:25.140 You did get conned. 1.00

00:43:26.140 Shit. 1.00

00:43:26.320 Okay. 1.00

00:43:26.640 Why did you stay with him for the length that you did?

00:43:29.320 Like, what do you think kept you?

00:43:30.880 I don't know.

00:43:31.360 Honestly, I'm not asking that.

00:43:32.760 I'm not asking in a judgy way, I'm genuinely curious, like, what, he wasn't the height you

00:43:36.860 wanted, he wasn't the age you wanted, so like, a lot of people hear that.

00:43:38.920 I didn't want anything.

00:43:40.520 I didn't, I didn't, the, the, I didn't want a certain age, I didn't want a certain height,

00:43:44.160 I'm just saying he lied.

00:43:45.140 Yeah.

00:43:45.440 I'm saying he's a, he, he lies about everything. 0.88

00:43:47.600 He lives a lie.

00:43:48.660 I think he had said, I mean, even like, I probably, like, this kind of messed up, but 0.87

00:43:55.540 like, his teeth and his jaw, like, he had the worst underbite, he had the worst mouth,

00:44:00.900 the worst breath, the worst everything, but he told, he told me that he got into a surfing

00:44:08.080 accident the first day I met him, and that's why his entire mouth was messed up, later finding

00:44:13.920 out that that was never a truthful thing.

00:44:17.000 What, what was it really?

00:44:18.140 What did, what was the actual?

00:44:19.480 Born that way?

00:44:20.340 Oh, just born that way.

00:44:22.020 Just born with horrendous teeth.

00:44:24.420 I mean, the, the, the, the breath is your fault, but. 1.00

00:44:28.300 That's fucking disgusting. 1.00

00:44:29.860 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:44:32.120 Is anybody else at the table born this way, or, wait, what, how did you say it born that

00:44:37.580 way?

00:44:39.100 I don't remember what I said.

00:44:39.600 There's, like, a disorder that some people will be born with, or, like, their jaw is

00:44:42.540 super receded.

00:44:43.400 There's, like, a condition.

00:44:44.420 Oh, yeah, I mean, well, there's, like, cleft lip, or cleft palate.

00:44:46.640 Yeah, I'm talking, like, bulldog underbite.

00:44:48.380 Yeah.

00:44:48.980 I had a friend that had that.

00:44:50.440 Anybody else at the table was born that way?

00:44:54.760 I don't know.

00:44:55.400 Never mind.

00:44:55.520 I have, I was born without a jaw, so this is actually, this is actually a fake jaw.

00:44:59.740 Wait, really?

00:45:00.540 No.

00:45:00.900 No, I wasn't even talking about jaws, just like anything, whatever.

00:45:03.600 Okay, cool.

00:45:04.500 We're going to go to, remind me how to pronounce your name.

00:45:07.320 It's Hyacin.

00:45:08.920 Hyacin.

00:45:09.360 Okay, Hyacin.

00:45:10.440 I know this on your Instagram.

00:45:11.760 There's a tattoo that you have.

00:45:13.540 It's on your leg.

00:45:14.640 It says, well-behaved women really make, or, excuse me, rarely make history. 1.00

00:45:21.460 Two questions.

00:45:22.580 Are you well-behaved?

00:45:24.020 I am.

00:45:25.220 I'm a poser.

00:45:26.400 And then secondly, have you made history?

00:45:30.240 No, I haven't, so I guess I'm doing it all wrong.

00:45:33.400 Your tattoo is very contradictory.

00:45:35.400 It was my very first one, and I really liked Marilyn Monroe.

00:45:38.760 So, cliche, Pinterest, one thing led to another.

00:45:43.280 I wonder if a woman's actually ever in the history quoted that, or has like that tattoo,

00:45:49.100 and actually made history.

00:45:51.420 Like, it's kind of this justification women will use, who will never make history, to act 1.00

00:45:56.140 like either degenerates or assholes. 1.00

00:45:58.540 Like grandiose. 1.00

00:45:59.060 I actually think it's totally opposite.

00:46:00.660 Like, just to tilt the term, make history, across time, it's actually well-behaved women 1.00

00:46:07.960 who make society's work, and they actually are the ones who make history.

00:46:12.040 Yeah.

00:46:12.780 What defines well-behaved to you?

00:46:15.220 Just generally submissive to the men.

00:46:19.480 Who's on board?

00:46:22.380 Oh, go ahead.

00:46:22.820 You're in the military.

00:46:24.040 Like, you understand submission, right?

00:46:26.280 Just in the structure of the military.

00:46:27.380 No, I do.

00:46:28.120 I'm just saying that, like, I'm thinking we're going to talk about this later down the line.

00:46:31.920 And that's why I was just like, okay, like, we'll let you think that for a while.

00:46:37.200 Wait, what do you mean, let us think?

00:46:39.540 Like, I don't know.

00:46:40.680 I'm just saying that, like, oh, we'll discuss it in a bit.

00:46:43.600 So I'm like.

00:46:44.080 Oh, okay.

00:46:44.700 Yeah, so I'm just like.

00:46:45.920 So how did you get the all-seeing eye tattoo?

00:46:48.400 What's the purpose of that on your hand?

00:46:50.500 Do you want to show it to the camera?

00:46:51.520 Yeah.

00:46:52.620 I was dating a guy at the time, and I was doing, like, henna.

00:46:56.200 And I didn't have any tattoos, and he was like, you should just get a tattoo.

00:46:58.860 Give us the knuckles.

00:47:00.000 Oh, it did not age well.

00:47:01.440 Oh, can I see?

00:47:02.220 Wait.

00:47:02.720 No, go like this.

00:47:04.160 Into this camera.

00:47:04.940 Face this camera.

00:47:05.800 Stay.

00:47:07.500 What?

00:47:08.240 Woke.

00:47:09.260 Stay woke.

00:47:09.940 Stay woke.

00:47:10.040 I'm not a liberal, either.

00:47:11.540 I have political stance.

00:47:14.580 She'd just be getting tattoos. 0.93

00:47:15.720 I did.

00:47:16.700 I really did.

00:47:17.660 Yeah.

00:47:18.200 You should go.

00:47:19.160 On the other one, it should be go broke.

00:47:21.460 I don't know.

00:47:23.420 Stay broke.

00:47:24.700 Okay.

00:47:25.700 Well, did anybody, to Jim Bob's point here, you were saying how, what, women should be

00:47:30.280 submissive, basically?

00:47:31.120 Is that what that is?

00:47:31.600 Yeah.

00:47:31.660 I mean, it's a larger statement than just the cliche of, like, follow me, woman.

00:47:36.760 Society is structured, like Jay was pointing to.

00:47:38.960 The military is structured.

00:47:40.020 And so societies are structured hierarchically, and they're structured patriarchically.

00:47:45.160 Even if you pretend they aren't, they just are, functionally.

00:47:48.840 And so if you follow an ordered system called a society, you actually are submissive.

00:47:54.380 Just definitionally.

00:47:58.000 By that, like, what, when you're saying submissive, do you mean, like, at a system level?

00:48:02.680 Like, are you talking about, like, women having rights to land ownership? 0.99

00:48:05.700 Let's just say, let's just say following laws.

00:48:07.980 That's submissive.

00:48:09.080 But then we probably want men to be submissive, too.

00:48:11.220 So that's not how we would delineate women. 1.00

00:48:12.580 Yeah, men, actually, from a Christian paradigm, women, if a man is not submissive to a higher order, a Christianity God, if he's not within that paradigm, the woman can't really see reflectively why she should be submissive.

00:48:27.240 Yeah, but when you say women be submissive, I think we're assuming that you mean something separate from men, right? 0.61

00:48:32.040 So I don't think, like, not murdering is what you mean when you say women should be submissive. 0.78

00:48:35.700 I'm just trying to detail, like, when you say women be submissive, what's unique for women?

00:48:39.700 Because I'm sure you have things, right?

00:48:41.260 Unique to women? 0.96

00:48:42.220 Well, I would say...

00:48:42.680 That men don't need to do. 0.96

00:48:43.640 Yeah, I would say duties would be, like, submissive to your duties in a sense.

00:48:48.180 That there's a way the system's ordered.

00:48:51.060 Women have duties, and then men have duties. 0.99

00:48:53.640 And so men are, because of their duties, because of their biology, because of their nature, they assume these duties are actually informed by their nature.

00:49:01.680 And the women's duties are informed by their nature. 1.00

00:49:04.200 It's actually the best way to optimize both natures of the men and women.

00:49:09.380 Yeah, so I guess I'm trying to get the specifics.

00:49:12.160 Like, when you say women should be submissive...

00:49:13.180 Raising children?

00:49:13.480 I would say, for a society, it's better for a society, largely for the women, to submit to the roles as child bearers and mothers, maybe even in work, to move toward the kinds of work that is aligned with their nature, which they already do, administrative, caretakers, teachers. 1.00

00:49:36.080 And so I would say that, from a larger view, that that's a form of submission.

00:49:41.180 An act of rebellion is arguing basically what feminism ends up being, is an argument against reality as it is, and saying, we've got to revolutionize this. 1.00

00:49:51.840 And yet, the irony is, they can't do a revolution because they need men, which goes back to exactly my point, descriptively.

00:49:58.380 Yeah, so one thing I was asking, like, should women be able to own land? 1.00

00:50:01.680 Like, private ownership of land?

00:50:02.940 Is that submissive or not submissive?

00:50:05.800 I'm not sure.

00:50:06.820 I actually haven't really thought about whether they should own land.

00:50:10.720 And my immediate response to that is, they can own land, but is anyone else obligated for her to protect the land, aside from her?

00:50:21.880 I'm assuming she'd probably call the police, have, like, security. 0.91

00:50:24.340 Are they obligated to show up and protect your land?

00:50:26.300 If somebody trespasses her, yeah, they're obligated to arrest her.

00:50:28.500 They're lawfully not in our society.

00:50:30.460 Police officers don't have to arrest trespassers?

00:50:32.720 No, that's responding to a violation.

00:50:35.000 They have a duty to respond to violations.

00:50:36.520 They have no duty to protect your property or your body.

00:50:39.660 Yeah, she could probably get a gun and a dog and stuff like that. 0.94

00:50:41.440 Yeah, if she gets a gun and a dog, and we wish her the best with that, she can try to do that. 1.00

00:50:47.060 I'm just saying, ultimately, for the most part, women are not going to be able to defend their body, their land, their house, and their own children. 0.69

00:50:54.000 Sure, but you're fine with them owning the land.

00:50:56.180 Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's a big...

00:50:58.540 So you at least align with first-wave feminism? 1.00

00:51:00.720 You're like, yeah, they should probably...

00:51:01.360 No, not really.

00:51:02.260 No, the philosophy is different than a particular.

00:51:05.120 Sure, but at least that particular policy.

00:51:07.300 You can't say, like, you think women should own land? 1.00

00:51:10.440 Therefore, you agree with feminism, right? 0.97

00:51:12.900 No, but you agree with that element of feminism, right? 1.00

00:51:15.340 That wouldn't be feminism, because that existed prior to feminism. 1.00

00:51:18.180 I know we had this conversation yesterday.

00:51:19.500 Well, suffragettes advocated for that, right? 1.00

00:51:21.620 They wanted women to be able to own land regardless of things like Americans. 1.00

00:51:24.400 Women having a right to life that existed prior to feminism, so that's not feminism in ancient cultures. 1.00

00:51:31.860 Sure, but women couldn't... 1.00

00:51:32.980 Sure, but, but that was contrary to what you argued yesterday.

00:51:35.460 I can answer if you want to.

00:51:36.100 So does that mean that you were wrong yesterday?

00:51:37.100 If you're just going to keep interrupting me, I can't respond to you.

00:51:38.240 Does that mean you were wrong yesterday?

00:51:39.440 Do you want me to respond to you?

00:51:40.700 Does that mean you were wrong yesterday if you say, sure, but?

00:51:42.620 No.

00:51:43.140 So the important thing that we delineated yesterday is that women could own land, but it was specifically if they were widows who inherited it through some, like, patrilineal inheritance.

00:51:51.860 So if her father willed her land, she could own it, or if her husband died, she could own it.

00:51:56.260 But the idea that women could just go out individually and purchase land didn't really exist until after the suffragette movement, right? 0.99

00:52:02.100 That was part of what the suffragettes were advocating for. 1.00

00:52:03.920 Maybe in modernity, but again, I referenced...

00:52:06.420 No, I referenced to you Proverbs 31, which has women also engaging in commerce and even owning their own business. 1.00

00:52:13.140 So to own a business, you would also potentially have to own land.

00:52:15.900 Yeah, the Jews were a lot more matrilineal. 1.00

00:52:17.540 They were very much more okay with, like, women doing this.

00:52:19.860 You don't even know matrilineal. 1.00

00:52:20.880 I mean, that's the dissent in terms of how you determine who your people group is.

00:52:25.300 That has nothing to do with the social organization of the society, which you admitted was patriarchal.

00:52:29.980 Well, economically... 1.00

00:52:30.280 So that's because you're silly. 0.98

00:52:31.660 Economically, in Jewish systems, they would often hand down things to the mother as well, right? 0.98

00:52:35.480 That was, like, part of the way to guarantee that the baby was a Jew and that the baby who was inheriting it was a Jew. 0.88

00:52:40.420 Like the liberite law?

00:52:41.140 Well, if the woman... 1.00

00:52:41.960 She's been letting you finish.

00:52:43.520 She has.

00:52:44.640 Like, I just was paying attention to that, like, spat right now.

00:52:47.720 Thank you for being the referee.

00:52:49.640 I hate it. 0.98

00:52:50.620 So, like, in the Jewish thing, part of why the matrilineal thing emerged is because, like I said, if a Jewish woman is raped by a Roman officer, the only way to guarantee that that baby has some Jewish line... 0.99

00:53:03.640 Wrong word. 0.98

00:53:04.620 Yeah, good job.

00:53:05.520 Sorry. 0.88

00:53:06.160 Essayed by a Roman officer, then the only way to guarantee that that line is Jewish is to know that it came out of her birth canal. 0.86

00:53:14.020 Whereas for the fathers, a really big issue that lots of men have today is guarantee that the woman who is his partner is actually having his child versus somebody else.

00:53:23.240 This is why, like, oftentimes inheritance was through mothers.

00:53:25.720 Do you know what the liberite law is?

00:53:27.580 The liberite law?

00:53:28.900 Broadly, but I'm sure there's something specific you want to talk about.

00:53:30.760 What is it broadly?

00:53:32.100 Since you know Jewish law.

00:53:33.220 The liberite law was, like, the rabbinic law that Jews operated off of. 0.77

00:53:35.980 So the liberite law was, like, kind of one of the highest laws of inheritance.

00:53:38.540 It has to do with, if I die, my brother marries my wife.

00:53:43.440 Right, yes, how you have to impregnate the wife. 1.00

00:53:45.640 Yep, that's okay.

00:53:46.580 Does that sound like a matrilineal matriarchal society? 1.00

00:53:49.620 I didn't say that it was a matriarchal society. 0.99

00:53:51.620 Right.

00:53:52.300 So it's patriarchal.

00:53:53.580 Yep.

00:53:54.140 Okay, thank you.

00:53:55.380 And in a society where women own land legally, because that's a legal term, right? 1.00

00:54:00.220 Is that a matriarchal or a patriarchal? 0.98

00:54:02.740 It can be both, right?

00:54:03.980 The thing that we were talking about, the point that I was making, is that if you're

00:54:08.300 four women owning land, regardless of their relationship to men, they can just, I can 1.00

00:54:12.560 just go out and buy land by myself.

00:54:14.520 I don't need my dad or my husband to say yes.

00:54:16.220 Is that a legal?

00:54:16.800 That's a suffragette position. 1.00

00:54:18.120 Hold on a second.

00:54:18.560 Which is fine for you to side with.

00:54:19.700 That doesn't mean you would raise all of them.

00:54:20.960 I ask you a question.

00:54:22.620 When you own something, whether it's property, land, a house, an object, is that a legal term?

00:54:28.920 Yep.

00:54:29.200 Ownership?

00:54:30.280 And legality assumes what?

00:54:32.240 That you, oh, are you going down the enforcement arm?

00:54:35.540 Yeah, it assumes that the authority is being protected by the government that you-

00:54:39.700 In the case that the property is violated, even if the woman's capable of holding a heavy 0.72

00:54:46.040 gun and shooting it accurately, it still goes to a system that decides whether she was just 0.97

00:54:51.140 in shooting the man, right?

00:54:52.520 Yeah, men are stronger, if that's where you're wanting to go.

00:54:54.620 It's not just men are stronger, it's that any argument for legal ownership of property,

00:55:00.360 whether it's a house or land or anything else, assumes an enforcement arm that has

00:55:05.320 to be mostly men.

00:55:07.820 Sure.

00:55:08.280 But that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you think women should be able

00:55:10.820 to own private land.

00:55:12.140 Well, I know that.

00:55:12.980 I'm just saying-

00:55:13.860 That's what I'm trying to figure out.

00:55:14.380 It's not a point in favor of feminism because it still relies on a patriarchy. 1.00

00:55:19.160 Well, it is because the suffragettes were the one that asserted it and that was part 0.86

00:55:22.260 of the feminist movement.

00:55:23.280 So they get the point for it because they're the ones that helped you get legalized.

00:55:26.180 So in any instance that you think is a feminist movement forward, do you agree that anything

00:55:31.280 you could list actually requires a patriarchy to uphold? 1.00

00:55:37.280 Sort of, in the way that you're now defining patriarchy as like enforcement arm, sure.

00:55:41.680 It's just that's not how anyone engages with patriarchy.

00:55:42.680 I'm just saying that patriarchy would be men in power.

00:55:46.460 Yeah, but you're talking about men in power in the enforcement arm, not the government system.

00:55:50.340 And these are two different things.

00:55:51.360 What's the government system without power?

00:55:53.460 Banking.

00:55:54.200 What's banking without power?

00:55:56.660 Okay.

00:55:57.380 Do you want to go into the history of banking? 0.97

00:55:59.320 What's banking, the exchange of banking, fair exchange of monetary notes and shit, without 0.94

00:56:03.700 an enforcement, a threat of force? 0.97

00:56:05.740 That's true.

00:56:06.220 A threat of force is the fundamental element.

00:56:07.160 Can I make up money?

00:56:08.380 Can I make up any money?

00:56:09.320 Sure, but this is going back to Donald Trump obviously has more power than like an E5 soldier.

00:56:13.780 Can I make up any money?

00:56:15.120 Can I make up money?

00:56:16.440 Can I just make it up?

00:56:17.660 Is it legal?

00:56:18.440 I mean, for the government, yeah, kind of.

00:56:20.640 No, not for the government.

00:56:21.620 Can I, as an individual in a society, just make up money?

00:56:24.660 No.

00:56:25.080 Okay.

00:56:25.480 And if I do that, what happens?

00:56:27.600 You would go to jail.

00:56:28.660 And how do I go to jail mechanically?

00:56:30.620 The police will arrest you.

00:56:31.880 And are they strong men?

00:56:33.240 Often, yeah.

00:56:33.800 Yeah, okay.

00:56:34.520 I mean, not all the time.

00:56:36.020 They are very capable female police officers. 0.88

00:56:38.660 They're not as capable, but they're lowering the standards.

00:56:40.860 I just don't know what this has to do with, can women own private property? 1.00

00:56:43.960 Like, I understand that for you.

00:56:45.160 Yes, they can.

00:56:45.760 We already answered that.

00:56:46.520 Well, hold on.

00:56:47.280 I understand that for you, like, going back to the enforcement arm dialogue tree is like

00:56:50.660 your strongest position.

00:56:51.780 But I'm actually trying to flesh out your ideas about other things because I'm genuinely curious.

00:56:55.340 I understand, but you've got to understand, when we said, yeah, you can own land, you can

00:56:59.440 own stuff, you can participate in the society and the economics, right?

00:57:02.960 You said, that's a, you basically said, so you agree with feminism. 1.00

00:57:05.880 No, I'm saying that very clearly that any expression of feminism that you present is 0.73

00:57:13.880 actually wholly reliant on something that's not feminist. 0.99

00:57:17.660 Sure, that just doesn't invalidate the feminist. 1.00

00:57:19.100 Sure, that's all I needed to hear.

00:57:20.280 Yeah, but that doesn't invalidate the suffragettes. 1.00

00:57:22.040 Yeah, okay, cool.

00:57:22.520 So are you saying that the suffragettes didn't get women's ability to acquire land? 0.98

00:57:26.200 Men did that for them, too.

00:57:27.980 The suffragettes had nothing to do with it. 1.00

00:57:29.400 No, that's just influence.

00:57:30.620 I'm not denying people have influence on things.

00:57:33.400 Ultimately, what you're asking is the strong person to say it so, right?

00:57:38.520 That's what a protest is, right?

00:57:39.720 That's fair, but you agree with that, at least that suffragette. 0.98

00:57:41.940 Yeah, it's an appeal to, it's an appeal to the enforcement arm.

00:57:45.900 As a strong man, you're okay with women owning land and you would protect that right. 0.78

00:57:50.340 Yeah, if women own land, if my wife owns some... 1.00

00:57:53.040 Hold on, hold on.

00:57:54.280 One sec, guys.

00:57:55.780 Okay.

00:57:57.320 Go to sources, hit the I in StreamYard.

00:58:01.920 Okay, hold on.

00:58:02.740 Continue the conversation.

00:58:03.800 Yeah, I would say, even myself, if my wife owned land, or we co-owned land, or she already

00:58:12.440 had land or something like this, what I'm pointing to is that, ultimately, the ownership

00:58:18.540 of that, we're both going to rely on an enforcement arm.

00:58:21.960 That's not going to be feminist. 1.00

00:58:23.380 Yeah, sure, that just has nothing to do with what I was asking you.

00:58:25.720 But I understand, you want to go back to the enforcement arm, you really like that argument.

00:58:28.740 But what's the further logical line that you're asking when you ask about property?

00:58:34.120 All I'm asking you is if you think women should have the right to own land. 1.00

00:58:36.720 That's all I'm asking you.

00:58:36.900 Because you thought that would back up feminism, right? 1.00

00:58:39.160 Nope, because I'm genuinely curious if you guys think women should own land. 1.00

00:58:42.860 Do you think that women should be able to open a credit card in their name? 1.00

00:58:46.160 I think that was a bad idea.

00:58:48.100 I think that would have happened in 1970.

00:58:49.600 Yeah, I think the consequences of that being that women now hold 75% of consumer debt, and 0.99

00:58:56.940 I don't think debt is pretty good for people.

00:58:59.200 I don't think it's a thing that they should be okay with.

00:59:03.000 I think people should generally work against debt, whether they're a man or a woman, maybe

00:59:06.800 lower their debt.

00:59:07.500 I think the burden of debt adds to some stress.

00:59:10.760 I think it could actually add to some instability and things like that.

00:59:16.300 So, and let's say hypothetically women weren't allowed to get a credit card. 1.00

00:59:24.040 Most of history?

00:59:25.200 No, no, for sure.

00:59:25.940 I'm just saying that, well, credit's relatively new, but that's a whole different conversation

00:59:29.900 that we can be having.

00:59:32.340 You're basically saying that, I'm trying to think, sorry, I'm trying to like phrase the

00:59:37.660 words.

00:59:39.460 It's just debt.

00:59:40.500 How is credit new?

00:59:41.240 No, no, it's what if a woman like in her own time, like this isn't like a requirement

00:59:45.940 that it should be so.

00:59:47.140 I'm saying on her own time, she did her research and she got a financial literacy class.

00:59:51.720 You're basically saying, well, you can't have it anyway, even if you're more financially

00:59:55.100 literate than other men or than men, because you're a woman is basically where you're going 1.00

01:00:00.140 at.

01:00:00.280 Because what if she is financially literate? 0.98

01:00:01.980 Because you're making a broad statement saying women shouldn't have it because they're

01:00:05.500 not financially literate.

01:00:06.740 What if they are?

01:00:07.280 So once again, this is like the third time you've argued that the exceptions should make

01:00:10.820 the rule.

01:00:11.560 This wouldn't really be an exception.

01:00:12.860 Well, based on what's the...

01:00:13.940 Her exception was a woman who went and studied and got a degree. 1.00

01:00:17.260 It's not an exception though, right?

01:00:18.100 It's reasonable to presume...

01:00:18.880 Women who study economics better than men is an exception. 0.98

01:00:21.340 She's asking the line of credulity.

01:00:22.440 It's an exception.

01:00:23.300 She's asking...

01:00:23.500 Her example is an exception.

01:00:25.020 It is.

01:00:25.400 Just accept it.

01:00:25.980 It's an exception.

01:00:26.400 It's not an exception.

01:00:26.920 You are...

01:00:27.600 It's...

01:00:28.480 Okay.

01:00:28.780 I can answer you.

01:00:29.440 You know what an exception is?

01:00:29.920 I do.

01:00:30.460 Do you want me to answer you?

01:00:32.400 How many women go and get economics degrees? 1.00

01:00:33.540 Jay, if you want to talk to me, you have to allow me to talk.

01:00:35.740 If you're just going to interrupt me...

01:00:36.840 There's nobody up here.

01:00:37.620 You're looking over here.

01:00:38.420 I've already talked about you.

01:00:39.300 We're over here.

01:00:39.460 I know you think this is a sick dunk.

01:00:41.040 Hey, we're over here.

01:00:41.720 I often look up when I think.

01:00:43.580 That's fine.

01:00:44.100 Apparently.

01:00:44.640 So, do you want me to answer you?

01:00:47.660 Is that an exception?

01:00:49.400 It's not an exception.

01:00:50.380 Why?

01:00:50.800 Because it's completely normative to assume that multiple women can go and get financial 1.00

01:00:54.880 literacy.

01:00:55.740 Well, you know, if you're wanting her to stare you in the eyes while arguing, why don't 1.00

01:00:58.660 you take your shades off?

01:00:59.680 Because I am so much on drugs right now.

01:01:03.240 Fair.

01:01:03.600 Oh my gosh.

01:01:04.860 Okay, that's fair.

01:01:05.440 In fairness, he has eye floaters.

01:01:06.780 I will give him that point.

01:01:08.320 He's got like eye floaters.

01:01:09.260 Although, it would be better if you took them off.

01:01:11.640 Why?

01:01:12.260 So that there's no glare.

01:01:14.640 So that people know where you're looking.

01:01:16.040 You can stare into the abyss.

01:01:16.480 You can stare into the abyss.

01:01:16.800 Dazzling.

01:01:17.600 Dazzling.

01:01:18.000 You want to look into the abyss.

01:01:18.560 You've got incredible blue eyes.

01:01:20.120 Yeah.

01:01:20.400 That's what I want to do.

01:01:21.500 Isn't an exception something that's paired up against most?

01:01:28.580 Yeah, but again, you're out.

01:01:29.920 So, what a most.

01:01:30.940 Thank you.

01:01:31.320 Thank you.

01:01:32.000 Yeah, but in this case.

01:01:33.200 Well, hold on.

01:01:33.640 Hold on.

01:01:34.100 Why are you making this so complicated?

01:01:35.680 Because you're being false analogous right now, right?

01:01:37.520 What's the false analogy?

01:01:38.480 The false analogy is to imply.

01:01:39.580 She's repeating what I said yesterday.

01:01:40.340 Well, you used it incorrectly last time.

01:01:42.320 No, I didn't.

01:01:42.960 You did.

01:01:43.400 No.

01:01:43.860 In fact.

01:01:44.240 Where's the analogy anyway?

01:01:45.660 The analogy here now is between men and women and a comparison line on financial literacy.

01:01:49.980 And so you're saying, well, most women aren't financially literate. 1.00

01:01:52.860 No.

01:01:53.220 She said you went and studied it.

01:01:54.940 Hold on.

01:01:55.160 She said better than men.

01:01:56.460 You got to finish.

01:01:57.040 Yep.

01:01:57.520 So, most men are also not financially literate.

01:01:59.940 That has nothing to do with her example.

01:02:01.120 I will get there if you, if you, if you, if you don't want to listen and just interrupt

01:02:05.980 me, that's fine.

01:02:06.980 But then we can't talk. 0.99

01:02:07.620 It's a dumb, false analogy. 0.98

01:02:08.700 You got to let me finish my statement. 0.99

01:02:09.680 You're making the false analogy.

01:02:10.300 You got to let me finish my statement, Jay.

01:02:11.680 Let her finish the wrong. 0.88

01:02:12.520 It's not relevant to the exception.

01:02:13.720 You got to let her finish my statement. 0.98

01:02:15.060 Yes, please.

01:02:15.360 Sync yourself again.

01:02:16.200 Once you're done, once you're done, I'll go back. 0.99

01:02:17.720 Hang yourself again. 1.00

01:02:18.740 Okay.

01:02:18.900 So, there are, the issue that you're having is that when you're talking about how women

01:02:22.540 are not, most women are not financially literate, men are also not mostly financially literate.

01:02:27.320 So, you need to create a line of credulity beyond financial literacy that makes women 1.00

01:02:34.220 exceptionally incapable of having a credit card that men don't have.

01:02:38.340 Did you not hear what she said?

01:02:40.000 Can you not hear her?

01:02:40.500 If you're a line of credulity, you got to let me finish.

01:02:42.140 She said a woman who goes in. 0.78

01:02:43.240 I'm just going to keep talking until you let me finish.

01:02:45.160 You got to let me finish talking.

01:02:46.380 She said a woman who goes in studies.

01:02:47.900 I'm just going to keep talking over you, and I'm going to pick up exactly where I was

01:02:50.820 until you're done interrupting you.

01:02:51.660 She said a person studying beyond the average.

01:02:52.320 I'm going to keep going until you let me pick up exactly where I was.

01:02:54.880 You can't filibuster.

01:02:56.540 This is all you do.

01:02:57.760 You can't interrupt me the entire time. 0.98

01:02:58.220 This is why you're the worst debater on the internet. 0.59

01:02:59.100 Last time I just let you talk. 0.97

01:02:59.820 Give yourself like 30 seconds.

01:03:01.040 I'm just going to wait until you actually let me finish an argument. 1.00

01:03:02.480 You are the female destiny, but you're the crappy version. 1.00

01:03:05.640 He's one of the greatest debaters on the planet, so that's totally okay with me. 1.00

01:03:08.420 The fact that you think that shows that you're the dumbest out here. 1.00

01:03:11.260 I know. 1.00

01:03:11.480 Once you're done, I'm going to go back. 0.99

01:03:12.400 Destiny is the worst person on the internet, and you're the worst version of the worst. 0.86

01:03:16.320 Okay, I'll just say it again until you let me. 0.90

01:03:16.800 What does that tell you?

01:03:17.480 You can't interrupt me if you want me to talk.

01:03:18.620 Okay, so the line of credulity.

01:03:20.400 Good one. 0.91

01:03:21.620 It's just a machine gun of diarrhea.

01:03:23.400 The line of credulity that you have to establish at some point is why men are exceptional in

01:03:29.020 the case of credit cards that women are not, and the line can't be financial literacy. 1.00

01:03:32.880 You're talking to yourself in your head.

01:03:34.360 For example, it was financial literacy, and there's no reason that women cannot be financial literate. 0.89

01:03:37.560 No, it wasn't.

01:03:38.560 You didn't even hear it.

01:03:39.260 No, I do agree with that part, though.

01:03:42.080 Yeah, because it helps what you said.

01:03:43.380 No, there's no reason a woman can't be financially literate, so you shouldn't just have a blanket. 1.00

01:03:47.800 You said a woman who goes and studies beyond what most men do in studies. 0.85

01:03:51.800 She was asking for a line of credulity, so she says, okay, if your bar of the issue is

01:03:55.760 financial literacy, why can women who become financially literate not apply for a credit card? 1.00

01:04:00.740 Now, you have to establish the reason why a woman who is financially literate can't apply 1.00

01:04:04.320 for a credit card.

01:04:04.980 Go ahead, Jay.

01:04:05.080 I never said that they couldn't.

01:04:06.600 Oh, so you're fine with women that are financially literate getting a credit card. 1.00

01:04:08.320 She's contributing positions that are not relevant to what she argued.

01:04:11.040 So are you okay with women who are financially literate getting a credit card? 1.00

01:04:13.160 I'm responding to her critique.

01:04:15.360 I can let her ask you the same question.

01:04:17.120 Her exceptions don't make the rule.

01:04:18.520 Are you fine with women who are financially literate? 1.00

01:04:20.460 Her exceptions don't make the rule.

01:04:20.640 Are you fine with women who are financially literate getting a credit card? 1.00

01:04:22.960 It's like talking to a 13-year-old child.

01:04:24.780 Do you want to answer?

01:04:25.380 Her exceptions don't make the rule.

01:04:27.280 This isn't an exception at all.

01:04:29.320 Financial literacy is not exceptional.

01:04:30.640 It's a woman who studies it more than the average land. 0.99

01:04:33.340 She gave you a case study.

01:04:34.720 That's an exception.

01:04:36.200 Thank you.

01:04:36.920 No, that was one example.

01:04:38.100 It's a case study to test the exception.

01:04:39.800 That's an example that's an exception to the rule.

01:04:41.340 It's not an exception to the rule.

01:04:42.560 It's a case study to test your logic.

01:04:44.200 That's what she was doing.

01:04:44.360 How is it a case study?

01:04:45.500 She just said an example. 0.97

01:04:46.360 Because she was giving one person. 1.00

01:04:47.520 That's not a case study, you idiot. 1.00

01:04:49.040 It is. 1.00

01:04:49.360 It's focusing in.

01:04:50.240 An example is a case study?

01:04:52.220 Yeah, in this case, it's a focus in.

01:04:53.520 Who did the study?

01:04:54.920 What case?

01:04:55.680 Nobody here is...

01:04:56.780 Thank you, so it's not a case study.

01:04:57.840 No, you're just equivocating now where you're acting like when I say case study...

01:05:00.320 You're using the words that I used yesterday because you're a gaslighter and you can't

01:05:03.680 actually debate.

01:05:04.680 You gaslight from everything that I said yesterday.

01:05:07.080 I know you're really mad, Jay.

01:05:08.160 Do you want to list all the fallacies so you can repeat them?

01:05:10.460 I'll just wait for you to be done.

01:05:11.660 Do you want to say Texas sharpshooter fallacy?

01:05:13.840 Because I know you looked it up last night.

01:05:15.120 Do you want to do that one now?

01:05:16.580 I didn't actually look it up.

01:05:17.460 You're belaboring something that you should just concede to.

01:05:21.180 I don't need to concede to this.

01:05:22.220 She gave an exception.

01:05:23.620 This isn't an exception to the rule.

01:05:24.120 You're talking over me.

01:05:25.700 She gave an exception.

01:05:27.560 She listed an exception.

01:05:29.200 It's a very specific exception, right?

01:05:31.180 She described it.

01:05:32.280 Jay responded to the exception.

01:05:33.660 It's not an exception.

01:05:34.420 It is.

01:05:35.100 How can you not see that? 0.99

01:05:36.400 This is so silly. 0.91

01:05:37.680 I can explain to you, again, the reason that it's not an exception is that she wasn't 0.94

01:05:41.360 saying in this one unique case where this woman is exceptional...

01:05:43.760 She gave an example of a woman who did it. 1.00

01:05:46.380 That's an exception.

01:05:48.660 Jay, you have to let me finish talking or, again, the audience just never gets anything. 1.00

01:05:52.140 But when you talk, it is so dumb. 1.00

01:05:52.960 That's fine. 1.00

01:05:53.660 Everyone's IQ literally starts going down points.

01:05:56.480 Yeah, good one, Jay.

01:05:57.240 Like, we're getting to the 80 IQ level every time you talk.

01:05:59.660 Once you're done, all of your sick debate tactics are going to pick up where it was.

01:06:04.100 Please, God, please, help me.

01:06:07.200 They're almost zero from you talking.

01:06:08.680 In fairness, Brian, if you want me to engage with this, I can.

01:06:11.480 We can also move on.

01:06:12.600 But if he's going to interrupt me the entire time, there's nothing that I can do.

01:06:14.420 What determines if something's an exception?

01:06:16.940 What's the criteria?

01:06:18.700 Something that is so, like, atypical would be, like, less than, like, I don't know, like, 5%.

01:06:22.380 It has to be something that is, yeah, it has to be, so that's, hold on, that's abnormal.

01:06:28.220 So, for example, a way that you could apply this fallacy correctly, if you want me to talk you through it, is, say, we're talking about body count.

01:06:35.540 And then we find this one case of a woman that has 100 body count, and it turns out that after she does that, she has a really long, successful marriage in life.

01:06:44.780 And if I use that to prove C, body count doesn't matter.

01:06:48.540 You would say, well, that's a bit of an exception to the rule.

01:06:50.620 That doesn't make that the rule that generally that the higher the body count is, that they're more, less likely to be consistent.

01:06:55.860 Are you just going to yell the whole time?

01:06:56.840 Are you done?

01:06:57.580 Come on.

01:06:58.180 Jay, your friend asked me a question.

01:07:00.380 I need to answer it.

01:07:01.480 You don't answer. 0.73

01:07:02.480 You literally just machine gun vomit out of your mouth for, like, minutes on end.

01:07:07.520 And all you do is interrupt constantly, make loud, annoying noises. 1.00

01:07:11.940 You start arguments over the dumbest shit that's not even relevant to the exception. 1.00

01:07:16.120 I'm allowed. 1.00

01:07:16.460 You want to argue over words.

01:07:17.740 I'm allowed to be here. 1.00

01:07:18.700 I spent two hours yesterday arguing over words in your own stupid definition of feminism. 1.00

01:07:24.640 I'm pretty sure you asked me to debate you. 0.99

01:07:26.620 So if this is a problem for you, that's fine.

01:07:28.600 But you agreed to these engagements.

01:07:30.160 If you don't want to debate me in the future, you don't have to.

01:07:32.780 You don't debate.

01:07:33.160 But you asked me.

01:07:34.240 You don't debate.

01:07:34.440 You reached out to me.

01:07:35.740 You don't debate.

01:07:36.120 Then why did you reach out in the first place?

01:07:38.020 Why did you ask for Brian to host us?

01:07:39.840 Why does it matter if I reached out to you?

01:07:41.660 Because clearly you wanted to debate me, which means that you've agreed to some level of engagement.

01:07:47.100 But you don't.

01:07:48.640 You're the exception.

01:07:49.900 The issue is that, again, if you interrupt me the entire time.

01:07:53.320 You know, one thing that's pretty telling is that she hasn't insulted you at all once. 0.99

01:07:58.220 And you've said idiot like four times. 0.99

01:08:00.300 Well, I'm just saying you're talking. 1.00

01:08:01.420 We had insults. 0.99

01:08:02.020 No, you're talking about yourself like you're like this master debater, like a masturbator, so to speak. 0.99

01:08:06.380 That was a clever turn of phrase. 0.99

01:08:08.940 Can you explain it?

01:08:09.840 What does that mean?

01:08:10.300 So what I'm trying to say is that, like, you're acting like you're, like, this exalted, like, debater in comparison to her, that you're the grown man and she's the child.

01:08:19.640 That's because it's true. 0.53

01:08:20.500 It's not true.

01:08:21.280 She's over 18.

01:08:22.680 So long story short.

01:08:23.280 No, I'm saying that I'm the master debater.

01:08:24.780 Jay, you have to let other people sparkle.

01:08:26.540 Well, she said I wasn't the master debater.

01:08:27.720 I don't know. 1.00

01:08:28.220 But then you're calling her an idiot. 1.00

01:08:30.300 Because she objectively is. 1.00

01:08:31.220 She's not an idiot. 1.00

01:08:32.240 She is. 1.00

01:08:32.500 She's not an idiot. 0.99

01:08:33.380 It doesn't make sense to you. 1.00

01:08:35.100 No, no, no.

01:08:35.460 It makes sense to me.

01:08:36.460 It doesn't make sense to me.

01:08:36.980 It makes sense I'm here to her, but not to you.

01:08:38.720 Well, yesterday, it makes sense to about 100,000 people.

01:08:40.340 I'm pretty sure after the show.

01:08:41.080 I mean, who cares?

01:08:41.800 She's not talking to them.

01:08:42.720 She's talking to you.

01:08:43.320 No, we are talking to that many people.

01:08:45.020 After the show, Brian explicitly asked you to do a lot less of this behavior.

01:08:48.700 He explicitly asked you to do this because it was taking away from the quality of the content.

01:08:52.660 This is just a conversation that we all had.

01:08:54.340 Taking away from what?

01:08:55.500 The quality of the content.

01:08:56.500 It wasn't explicit.

01:08:56.840 It was like a.

01:08:58.780 Brian.

01:08:59.500 It was a, look.

01:09:00.380 No, here's what I said to Jay.

01:09:01.820 I said, look.

01:09:02.660 Tomorrow, you're a debater, right?

01:09:04.500 You're a debater.

01:09:05.360 We're bringing on a panel of guests who are not debaters.

01:09:08.020 And I was like, they don't know how.

01:09:09.920 They're not debaters.

01:09:10.660 They're just here to have conversation.

01:09:12.180 And I was like, I was letting Jay know, you know, maybe we don't do certain, you know,

01:09:18.540 debate stuff to the non-debaters.

01:09:21.780 That's interrupting all the time.

01:09:23.380 Not to you.

01:09:24.200 But you're the debater.

01:09:25.020 You're the debater.

01:09:26.080 You did not make an exceptional rule that they could be just as obnoxious like this with

01:09:30.400 me, but not with everyone else.

01:09:31.860 And you and I both know that, Brian.

01:09:33.160 You don't think you're obnoxious?

01:09:34.760 I didn't say that I'm not obnoxious. 0.99

01:09:36.380 You're extremely obnoxious. 0.96

01:09:36.700 I said, you guys are being obnoxious with me. 0.91

01:09:38.180 As the host, as the moderator, I would personally, although I find it a bit amusing, you know,

01:09:44.340 the insults and whatnot, and it'd be nice if you guys didn't insult each other.

01:09:50.260 You know what, Jay?

01:09:51.220 I want, can you say one nice thing about Kyla?

01:09:53.540 And then, Kyla, say one nice thing about Jay.

01:09:55.420 You know, maybe?

01:09:56.120 We're not acting like this is an equal engagement of problems.

01:09:58.840 Okay, then, Jay, do you want to say something nice?

01:10:00.320 I also think that you think she's obnoxious because she's not submitting to you.

01:10:04.940 No, we had a whole debate yesterday.

01:10:06.840 He was mad because after the debate, we were, like, having a good conversation, and I told

01:10:10.720 him I was disappointed.

01:10:11.360 Is that what you're upset about?

01:10:11.660 Is Kyla's not submitting?

01:10:12.040 Is Kyla's not submitting to you?

01:10:14.400 I think he's mad because yesterday, after the debate, I told him I was like, I'm not mad.

01:10:18.280 This is literally how...

01:10:19.400 You've been, like, subtweeting and retweeting me all day.

01:10:21.600 I know that you're big mad.

01:10:22.180 Can you tilt your mic down a little bit? 0.77

01:10:23.580 You mean yesterday, one time when I said a diarrhea joke?

01:10:26.560 I think it's a lot, one time.

01:10:26.840 Leave it up.

01:10:27.620 No, one time.

01:10:27.960 No, no, that was funny.

01:10:28.700 That was before the debate.

01:10:29.580 I mean, after the debate.

01:10:30.120 I made a diarrhea joke.

01:10:30.960 Yeah, that was good.

01:10:31.520 I bantered with you on that.

01:10:32.800 It was after the debate.

01:10:32.900 I made a joke about your relativism.

01:10:35.080 That's it.

01:10:35.640 The other clips are clips.

01:10:37.640 They're not you.

01:10:38.240 Sorry.

01:10:38.460 Okay.

01:10:38.600 Boosted Coyote, to mute a microphone, is $500 through Streamlabs.com slash whatever

01:10:45.700 if you want to mute a microphone.

01:10:47.260 Just throwing it out there.

01:10:48.480 All right.

01:10:49.300 Here, while we move on, and if time permitting, we can come back to the conversation a little

01:10:54.280 bit later.

01:10:55.200 There are...

01:10:55.980 You know, we'll wait to get to the chats here in just a bit.

01:10:58.980 I want to get through some more of the show notes here.

01:11:01.940 Moving on to Hyacin.

01:11:05.700 Did I say it right?

01:11:06.500 Yeah.

01:11:06.840 I said it right.

01:11:07.380 Okay, good.

01:11:08.600 In your show notes, you write...

01:11:11.040 Hold on.

01:11:11.460 Where is it?

01:11:11.960 Okay.

01:11:12.820 The craziest dating experience you've had with a guy was when you went out with a guy

01:11:16.420 and you offered to pay your own tab, and he was offended by the offer, even when you

01:11:22.520 mentioned you weren't there for his money, and you were only there for his time and appreciation,

01:11:26.500 like reciprocity, but he felt that if he paid completely, you owed him a part of you.

01:11:30.380 That's your craziest dating experience?

01:11:32.700 I haven't been out on a lot of dates.

01:11:35.060 You haven't been out?

01:11:35.620 I'm a quiet girl.

01:11:36.600 I paint all of my time is in the house.

01:11:39.620 Okay.

01:11:40.060 All right.

01:11:40.660 You said that maybe the adverse effects...

01:11:42.880 There has been times where I've taken men out on full-on dates and spent over $1,000 on them,

01:11:48.120 and they still seem to want to tell me what to do, or like, you know, like, I don't know.

01:11:55.680 It could be a little oppressive sometimes, dating.

01:11:58.060 What do you mean oppressive?

01:12:01.360 There's always an expectation that, you know, even if you put in your part or a little bit

01:12:06.300 more, then you still have to be submissive to a guy, even if you're...

01:12:11.560 It's a 50-50 relationship.

01:12:14.320 In a dating relationship?

01:12:15.760 Yeah.

01:12:15.960 I think if the woman is paying 100%, she should still be submissive. 1.00

01:12:21.220 I agree.

01:12:22.120 Even then.

01:12:23.420 But at the same time, do I have to...

01:12:25.180 Do I owe my body for that?

01:12:27.880 Oh, could you tilt your mic up just a little bit?

01:12:29.480 We did some adjustments there.

01:12:30.480 Do I owe somebody my body for it?

01:12:32.020 I don't think you owe your body to anybody, really, but...

01:12:35.020 Yeah.

01:12:36.180 So, wait.

01:12:36.820 The question is, do you owe...

01:12:38.560 So, even if I do pay 100% and I still want to be submissive, why does it come down to,

01:12:44.120 like, it's sharing...

01:12:45.620 Like, they want to take a piece of me.

01:12:47.800 Well, I mean, you should only engage in a sexual relationship if you want to engage in it.

01:12:51.400 That's why I don't have a lot of bodies.

01:12:52.940 What's that?

01:12:53.400 That's why I only...

01:12:54.200 I don't have a lot of bodies.

01:12:55.320 You don't have a lot of bodies.

01:12:56.420 Yeah.

01:12:56.620 Okay, got it.

01:12:57.180 Well, Brian, I'm just going to, like, just a little bit.

01:13:01.060 What does that mean?

01:13:01.880 Just, like, let me hijack it.

01:13:04.440 So, for a sec.

01:13:06.460 Honestly, any woman that spends, like, maybe $1,000 on a man basically pays 100% for the 1.00

01:13:11.260 date is not dating a traditional man.

01:13:12.900 No traditional man would ever allow a woman to spend that much on him. 1.00

01:13:17.820 So, why submit to a traditional man? 0.99

01:13:20.080 Traditional men say they want a traditional woman, but refuse to be traditional men.

01:13:24.680 You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

01:13:27.120 So, I'm saying, why submit to a man who doesn't even seem like he plays by the rules that

01:13:31.440 he's set forth, so to speak.

01:13:33.160 Oh, sure.

01:13:33.400 I'm bantering a little bit as it comes to, like, the woman should pay 100%, but, I mean... 1.00

01:13:38.480 Sorry, you're playing devil.

01:13:39.160 I get it.

01:13:39.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:40.920 But, yeah, I actually probably don't disagree with you necessarily.

01:13:44.160 If a guy is desirous of a traditional dynamic, he should probably take on the traditional

01:13:49.140 expectations on his own end, so...

01:13:51.540 I agree.

01:13:51.940 Don't totally disagree there.

01:13:53.760 But, moving on to the notes here, let's see.

01:13:57.700 You said, someone who only sees you as an object.

01:14:01.500 You don't ask this out of spite or malice.

01:14:03.040 You generally would like to know the point of view on the subject.

01:14:05.380 So, do you experience that a lot, that men see you as an object?

01:14:09.660 Every day.

01:14:10.440 Every day.

01:14:11.140 My appearance is a completely different outlook on who I am on the inside.

01:14:16.540 I'm a soft girl.

01:14:17.980 I'm a very soft girl.

01:14:19.200 Soft?

01:14:19.620 What does that mean?

01:14:20.520 What does soft girl mean?

01:14:21.660 I'm a romantic type.

01:14:23.140 Like, I, like, run around and I'm like, oh my God, look at the butterflies and stuff like

01:14:27.360 that.

01:14:28.080 Okay.

01:14:28.720 Yeah, I'm very...

01:14:29.140 A little whimsy.

01:14:29.960 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:32.500 Do you objectify yourself?

01:14:34.700 I try not to.

01:14:36.160 Why did you look down at your...

01:14:37.140 I know, because that's like...

01:14:39.560 Do you have any plastic surgery?

01:14:41.580 I do.

01:14:42.360 What do you have?

01:14:43.360 I just have this.

01:14:45.000 Just the...

01:14:46.040 Yeah.

01:14:46.400 No BBL or anything like that?

01:14:47.760 No.

01:14:48.600 And what about, like, Botox or filler?

01:14:50.940 You have lip filler?

01:14:51.580 Mm-mm.

01:14:52.540 You can see it.

01:14:53.560 What?

01:14:53.840 The lips, though.

01:14:54.480 You got lip filler, right?

01:14:55.420 No, I don't.

01:14:55.820 No, actually, I went in to go get lip fillers, and the girl was like, have you done it before?

01:15:00.760 And I was like, no.

01:15:01.800 And she, like, grabbed my lip super hard. 0.94

01:15:04.300 Can you turn your head that way?

01:15:06.440 I just have good genes.

01:15:07.200 Wait.

01:15:08.100 You could touch them if you want.

01:15:09.440 I don't want to touch them, but wait, just turn your head.

01:15:14.080 You sure you don't have lip filler?

01:15:15.500 I promise you.

01:15:17.660 Well, that's very nice, though.

01:15:19.180 Thank you.

01:15:19.300 Panel, what's the verdict?

01:15:20.900 You never asked me that, Brian.

01:15:22.520 If you have lip filler?

01:15:24.300 No, I've, yeah.

01:15:25.400 Do you have, wait, what?

01:15:26.260 No.

01:15:26.600 You have perfectly balanced lips for your face. 1.00

01:15:28.480 You're a fucking liar! 1.00

01:15:29.440 You're a fucking liar! 1.00

01:15:30.700 Oh, sorry. 1.00

01:15:32.780 Okay.

01:15:33.540 Anybody else have any plastic surgery at the table?

01:15:36.600 Oh, what do you have? 0.97

01:15:37.420 I got boobs and lips. 0.99

01:15:39.380 You got? 1.00

01:15:40.240 Like titties. 0.98

01:15:41.220 They're fake? 0.98

01:15:42.260 Yeah.

01:15:42.740 Oh, okay, cool.

01:15:44.260 Anything?

01:15:44.700 No, no.

01:15:45.520 I have Botox.

01:15:46.740 And fake?

01:15:47.640 This is just a push-up bra.

01:15:49.420 Okay.

01:15:50.340 I swear.

01:15:51.520 No plastic surgery?

01:15:52.800 Watch my video.

01:15:53.620 They bounce.

01:15:54.660 I'm serious now.

01:15:57.140 I'm not lying, I swear.

01:15:58.940 I don't have money like that.

01:16:03.000 I'm a brokie. 0.96

01:16:04.400 People can have nice titties without paying for it. 0.96

01:16:06.360 I'm done. 0.79

01:16:06.620 But also, I'm an EMT.

01:16:08.040 Like, with what money? 0.98

01:16:09.820 Your boobs are real? 1.00

01:16:11.960 Yes. 0.99

01:16:14.540 I'm a brokie.

01:16:15.580 Okay.

01:16:16.220 Oh, my God.

01:16:17.520 Okay.

01:16:18.540 Moving forward.

01:16:19.460 Why do you not believe her?

01:16:24.260 Can you play the Pink Panther theme? 0.99

01:16:25.280 Like, do you think her tits are just too good to be real? 1.00

01:16:27.240 You know, the thing is... 0.99

01:16:28.520 It's a compliment at that point.

01:16:30.520 Well, thank you.

01:16:30.840 I think you can...

01:16:32.520 I have fake titty radar.

01:16:34.360 I can tell.

01:16:35.280 But you were surprised by me.

01:16:36.900 Well, you cover up a little bit, okay?

01:16:40.640 You bulked up, remember?

01:16:41.680 You said you bulked up.

01:16:42.680 You bulked up.

01:16:43.240 You bulked up.

01:16:44.300 You said you bulked up yesterday. 0.98

01:16:46.180 Wait, when did you get the fake titties? 0.93

01:16:48.760 Like a year ago, before my bulk. 0.89

01:16:50.220 Was it after your last appearance?

01:16:54.520 Oh, God.

01:16:55.500 So, you were on in like...

01:16:57.240 It was in June that I got them, like a year ago.

01:17:00.400 It's been like a full year.

01:17:00.840 June 2024?

01:17:02.080 Yeah.

01:17:02.520 Okay, so that was after your last appearance.

01:17:04.860 Yeah.

01:17:05.300 See, so you must have...

01:17:06.220 I got bamboozled a little bit.

01:17:08.940 Well, when I'm on birth control, they're about the same size.

01:17:12.320 Yeah, I don't take birth control anymore because it fucks with my health, like in every way. 0.91

01:17:16.180 So, you're saying your boob size is the same? 0.88

01:17:19.980 It's about the same, which is maybe why you didn't notice the difference.

01:17:22.760 Yeah.

01:17:23.420 Also, I try to look people in the eyes.

01:17:25.760 I try to avoid...

01:17:26.080 That's true.

01:17:26.680 You're a respectful lad, Brian. 0.86

01:17:27.700 I try not to look at the titties, even if they're gigantic.

01:17:31.560 I'm a gentleman, so...

01:17:34.340 Appreciate that, Brian.

01:17:35.420 Really, though?

01:17:36.500 I'm being serious.

01:17:38.940 And by serious, you mean you're lying?

01:17:41.400 I'm a certified brokey.

01:17:42.800 I'm an EMT.

01:17:43.800 That's like asking...

01:17:44.760 It's like if I was a teacher.

01:17:48.520 Like, teachers are underpaid, is what I'm trying to get at.

01:17:51.900 Okay, anyways.

01:17:52.880 Any plastic surgery?

01:17:54.140 No.

01:17:55.340 All right.

01:17:56.060 Good talk.

01:17:57.160 I don't know how we got there.

01:17:59.480 What were...

01:18:00.120 Oh.

01:18:02.040 Objectification.

01:18:03.060 Yeah.

01:18:03.160 Who of the women here at the table feel like they've been...

01:18:08.560 They are or have been objectified?

01:18:11.160 And the men can also raise their hands.

01:18:12.880 I think it's good.

01:18:13.520 I don't care.

01:18:13.980 You're in favor of objectification.

01:18:15.500 We always objectify.

01:18:16.580 I've been objectified.

01:18:17.780 Yeah.

01:18:18.060 Everyone objectifies others all the time.

01:18:19.520 I get objectified.

01:18:19.700 It's just when you remove...

01:18:20.580 I'm sure Jay here...

01:18:22.300 Probably.

01:18:22.560 He gets it all the time.

01:18:23.180 He's a handsome guy.

01:18:23.680 He's got a good head of hair.

01:18:25.340 Especially for 40.

01:18:26.100 That was incredible.

01:18:26.520 You said something nice.

01:18:27.960 I said something nice about you yesterday.

01:18:30.680 I'm not interested in being nasty all the time.

01:18:32.360 Okay.

01:18:33.020 Jim Bob, do you get objectified?

01:18:35.180 You're handsome, Bella.

01:18:36.420 I just...

01:18:36.440 No, I mean...

01:18:37.240 Isn't making fun of people objectifying them?

01:18:39.800 Even...

01:18:40.160 Because people think objectify.

01:18:41.680 They look at it and it's like, I want that usually.

01:18:43.740 It's always a good thing.

01:18:44.580 But are you being objectified if you make fun of someone's body?

01:18:49.340 Kind of.

01:18:50.180 Yeah, so...

01:18:51.080 Yeah.

01:18:51.480 People make fun of me.

01:18:53.200 Oh.

01:18:53.880 So...

01:18:54.760 You're right.

01:18:56.200 I thought that was funny.

01:18:57.640 It was a joke, right?

01:18:58.580 Yeah.

01:18:58.840 Okay.

01:19:00.100 Good times.

01:19:01.100 Okay.

01:19:02.260 So let me get into the rest of the notes then.

01:19:04.960 We have...

01:19:05.940 I think that's it for...

01:19:07.800 It's Hyacin?

01:19:09.380 Okay.

01:19:09.840 Just wanted to make sure I got it right.

01:19:10.900 Okay.

01:19:11.740 Let's get to Kelly Vargas. 0.99

01:19:13.660 Kelly here.

01:19:14.360 Kelly.

01:19:15.420 You have your pronouns in your bio.

01:19:18.120 You go...

01:19:18.640 You're a she, her. 1.00

01:19:19.900 Yes.

01:19:20.500 Okay.

01:19:20.760 Just wanted to double check.

01:19:21.820 Yeah.

01:19:22.160 Okay.

01:19:22.980 You're at a music festival at the Rose Bowl

01:19:24.860 with this new guy you were seeing in Los Angeles.

01:19:28.400 He was a total blast, great energy, and you were definitely feeling it on something fun.

01:19:35.260 Can't take that.

01:19:36.100 Oh, okay.

01:19:36.540 You guys were dancing fully in the moment, and suddenly you hear a name.

01:19:39.820 You turn around and no joke.

01:19:42.360 It's your ex from New York who you hadn't seen in years.

01:19:46.200 He walks up and stands right next to your current date, and they looked very similar,

01:19:50.040 like it was actually trippy.

01:19:52.620 Apparently, I really do have a type.

01:19:55.280 What's your type?

01:19:58.100 That's a great question.

01:19:59.140 I would say usually tall, tan, Italian-looking, physical, and then personality-wise, like a 0.93

01:20:07.700 hot mess. 0.82

01:20:09.320 Italian?

01:20:09.980 Wait.

01:20:10.640 Personality hot mess?

01:20:12.260 Yeah.

01:20:12.540 But Italian-looking.

01:20:14.520 Yeah.

01:20:15.160 Okay.

01:20:16.740 All right.

01:20:17.500 Jim Bob's Italian.

01:20:18.660 Is he...

01:20:19.900 He's married.

01:20:21.200 He's married.

01:20:21.480 My hot mess.

01:20:22.540 Is he your type?

01:20:24.640 If he was single.

01:20:25.900 Respectfully, no.

01:20:27.120 I'm sorry, Jim Bob.

01:20:28.540 Okay. 1.00

01:20:30.620 So Italian and just a fucked-up personality. 1.00

01:20:34.960 Or a mess. 1.00

01:20:35.720 Unfortunately, yes.

01:20:36.240 Okay.

01:20:36.780 So what does that mean?

01:20:37.740 Thank you.

01:20:38.080 You date criminals, or what do we...

01:20:39.760 No, no.

01:20:40.440 I don't think that far.

01:20:42.540 I think more of, like, they just are very type B, similar to how I am, disorganized.

01:20:48.740 Maybe they make, like, awful decisions, but not, like, to the point of, like, criminal.

01:20:52.660 Like, you know.

01:20:53.980 I see.

01:20:55.160 Okay, cool.

01:20:56.200 You said the other time you were in Costa Rica, excuse me, you solo traveled there for

01:21:01.120 New Year's Eve.

01:21:02.880 You matched with a local surfer on Tinder.

01:21:06.000 Was it this her ex-boyfriend?

01:21:08.560 I don't know.

01:21:09.440 That could have been really, really, really possible.

01:21:12.000 He cheated on me in Costa Rica.

01:21:14.040 And he claimed to be a surfer, right?

01:21:16.220 So it turned into a movie, you say.

01:21:19.180 You guys swam, partied, you rode his motorcycle through the jungle roads.

01:21:24.500 And you basically fell into a three-day whirlwind romance, pure passion, no plans, and zero

01:21:29.760 regrets.

01:21:31.720 Did he have a giant underbite?

01:21:33.860 No.

01:21:34.820 No.

01:21:35.500 I was genuinely thinking I couldn't do that.

01:21:37.460 I would have been him.

01:21:38.120 It might have been him, yeah.

01:21:40.100 And so, okay, that was your Costa Rica thing.

01:21:43.920 That's cool.

01:21:44.660 Was there any, like, specific thing with him that you wanted to share on?

01:21:48.920 Or just that it was amazing?

01:21:49.380 Yeah, I just think it kind of alludes to the idea of, like, I don't really am so pressured

01:21:56.280 with society, like, in the idea of, like, having to have a long-term relationship, feel

01:22:01.120 like I have to submit to a man constantly.

01:22:03.120 Like, I kind of just go with the flow.

01:22:04.940 I'm very free-spirited.

01:22:06.360 If I like somebody, I like them.

01:22:07.860 If I don't, I don't.

01:22:08.760 Same with them.

01:22:10.080 I know a lot of people are like, oh, it's kind of weird if you're not, like, in a long-term

01:22:13.080 relationship, and you're just, like, in, like, you know, little flings here and there.

01:22:17.300 But I think that's the fun part of being, like, living is just to be in the moment, and

01:22:22.440 if it comes with a fling, why not?

01:22:25.360 And do you travel a lot?

01:22:26.600 Yeah, I do.

01:22:27.440 And when you travel, do you find yourself in these temporary romances or whatever?

01:22:34.280 I don't look for it, like, per se.

01:22:36.420 Like, that's the top priority, but if it happens, it happens.

01:22:40.420 Okay, got it.

01:22:41.660 You wanted to talk about baby mama and baby daddy culture, but you don't have kids, right?

01:22:47.760 No, I do not.

01:22:48.280 Okay.

01:22:49.120 Do you, what specifically did you want to talk about?

01:22:51.540 I just feel like, personally, in my opinion, it's really shoved down in the pop culture.

01:22:56.320 Like, it's very normalized to have a child without being in marriage.

01:23:01.060 So, I would say, like, I am more traditional in the sense of, like, I think if you're going

01:23:05.060 to raise a family, I would want you to be, or myself to be in a committed marriage.

01:23:10.920 Like, why would I want to have children with just anybody and not be in a marriage?

01:23:16.380 That, I definitely am, like, I'm more traditional, I would say.

01:23:19.580 And I guess also that comes to the idea of, like, I am very liberal.

01:23:23.620 Like I said, I'm, like, free-spirited, but there are certain aspects to myself that I

01:23:27.260 do think in traditional, sorry, traditionalism is important.

01:23:30.960 Wait, just some points of clarification here.

01:23:33.200 You just said you're a bit more, you're liberal?

01:23:35.320 I would say, like, there's a lot of liberal ideas that I have, but I definitely lean more

01:23:41.520 towards the middle left.

01:23:43.000 Okay, middle left.

01:23:44.040 But you said, and in your notes here, you also wrote, you're very old school and traditional.

01:23:49.680 When it comes to that.

01:23:50.740 Comes to what?

01:23:51.780 Baby, mom.

01:23:52.400 Dating?

01:23:53.120 Just having children outside of marriage. 0.92

01:23:54.920 I don't understand that.

01:23:55.800 Oh, okay.

01:23:57.000 Just having kids out of marriage.

01:23:58.180 Can you be, when it comes to you, and this is what you wrote, you said you're very old

01:24:02.060 school and traditional.

01:24:03.160 Can you be, I guess, specific and give detail?

01:24:05.740 How are you old school and traditional?

01:24:08.240 When it comes to marriage, I think if you want to be married, like, that's, to me, marriage

01:24:13.920 is traditional.

01:24:16.220 Like, you want to have children, you want to build a family.

01:24:19.120 To me, that just seems reasonable.

01:24:21.280 That seems like the best way to raise a family.

01:24:24.060 Personally, to have children outside of a marriage, I think it's, like, so shoved down

01:24:29.080 our pop culture ideas that, like, we should have, women should be able to do whatever they 1.00

01:24:35.760 want.

01:24:36.040 Like, have kids outside of marriage.

01:24:37.700 It's fine.

01:24:38.400 I don't think that, to me, personally, that's just not really in my vocabulary.

01:24:42.380 So, yeah, so that's your view when it comes to having children outside of marriage, your

01:24:47.640 desire, I assume you want to get married?

01:24:49.040 Um, yes, but I don't, that's not my priority.

01:24:54.860 What's your priority?

01:24:55.980 My career.

01:24:57.060 Okay, gotcha.

01:24:57.660 And you're, remind me, you're 28?

01:24:59.320 Yes.

01:24:59.780 Okay.

01:25:00.660 Go ahead.

01:25:01.440 How could you expect the traditional element if you're not preparing yourself to be in

01:25:08.140 that situation?

01:25:09.360 I don't think I'm ready to be a mother or a wife quite yet.

01:25:13.900 I haven't found the right person.

01:25:15.320 And the last thing I would want to do is get into an awful, um, unrealistic marriage

01:25:19.720 that leads to divorce and to have, um, children just because I felt pressured to have children.

01:25:24.620 But if you're not preparing yourself for that type of a lifestyle, do you think that you'll

01:25:29.000 just suddenly turn traditional when you're ready to get married?

01:25:31.880 No, I think there's a lot of healing that I need to do within myself.

01:25:35.400 Um, I would want to raise a great family.

01:25:38.340 I want to have kids, like, maybe in the future, but I don't, in a good mindset and a healthy

01:25:44.380 lifestyle, um, and I am still traditional.

01:25:48.460 I, like, not just talking about myself.

01:25:50.060 I think women should, and men should be in committed relationships to have children, not 1.00

01:25:54.820 just talking about myself.

01:25:55.780 I'm just talking about in general.

01:25:57.020 Uh, when you said, I haven't found the right person, doesn't that imply that the right

01:26:02.160 person is already traditional?

01:26:03.880 Um, I wouldn't say so.

01:26:09.100 I'm sorry, can you clarify?

01:26:10.160 So you're like, I don't want to get married yet.

01:26:12.360 I don't think I found the right person.

01:26:14.380 Uh, just that part of it.

01:26:16.520 Wouldn't the right person assume that he's already traditional and wants to have kids?

01:26:20.820 I hope so.

01:26:21.900 Um, if he's, I would also love if they didn't feel pressured to have a family.

01:26:27.100 And maybe if it happens, it happens.

01:26:29.360 If it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it shouldn't be like a pressure of like, I want

01:26:32.480 kids and you need to provide me kids.

01:26:34.120 But if it happens, that's an amazing life.

01:26:36.580 The reason I ask that is because, um, uh, like, I don't understand this.

01:26:43.440 Like women, they want to find the right guy, right? 1.00

01:26:46.160 Like a high value man, they, they call it, um, fits all these criterias.

01:26:50.720 Because, um, when you find that man, why, why are you finding, what do you do with that

01:26:57.840 man, right?

01:26:58.820 If your current, uh, view of, of dating is simply just like have fun.

01:27:03.720 It's like, I always ask these people, same thing.

01:27:05.440 It goes back on the men too.

01:27:06.580 They, they want to find the right woman. 0.95

01:27:08.640 And I always ask why, then what do you do?

01:27:12.060 Because the only answer to me that's, that makes any sense is to marry and potentially

01:27:15.980 have a family to build something.

01:27:18.140 So I'm, I'm wondering what all of this dating is, if ultimately both the men and the women

01:27:23.560 are looking for the right man, right?

01:27:26.180 But for what?

01:27:26.960 Or the man is looking for the right woman, uh, for what?

01:27:29.920 Like if it's not for marriage, I'm not sure what is it like a temporary, like chapter in

01:27:34.940 life, you know?

01:27:36.000 Yeah.

01:27:36.540 I think people come and go in your life.

01:27:38.640 In my honest opinion, I'm very spiritual.

01:27:40.540 I think not, people don't just come to your life for no reason.

01:27:43.860 There's always something that they provide for you.

01:27:45.540 So even if they're not in a marriage or end up in a long-term relationship, I learned

01:27:49.380 something from them.

01:27:50.520 I'm not always out here like, he's the one, he's the one.

01:27:52.860 Is he going to be the one?

01:27:53.720 No.

01:27:54.040 I mean, if it is, that's great.

01:27:55.880 Um, I take a lot of accountability, accountability that I am a hot mess myself when it comes to

01:28:02.640 dating, which is why I don't track the best kind of individuals when I, when I date.

01:28:06.360 But that's what I like to back to what Jay said, and this is pretty, pretty much for

01:28:11.180 everyone is that, um, if in the future you see, especially as a woman, women, cause you

01:28:15.520 guys have a time constraint.

01:28:16.680 If you see in the future that you'll probably want to be married, you actually have to start

01:28:21.660 that traditional practice of being that woman before you actually find the husband.

01:28:26.840 That's why I asked, wouldn't the husband, wouldn't the future husband already have the

01:28:30.240 mindset of being traditional, like finding you and be like, cool, let's do this.

01:28:34.360 But if you're not already living that, that's why Jay asks, what do you suddenly wake up

01:28:38.540 when you find the right man and suddenly you're traditional?

01:28:41.200 Like, that's, you know what I mean?

01:28:42.760 No, definitely having direction.

01:28:44.260 I see what you're saying.

01:28:45.160 Um, I think yes, my, the person that I would want to end up should be looking for marriage.

01:28:51.100 I just don't like being pressured into things.

01:28:53.440 So if they're, if I'm in a first date and he's like, I want to get married, I'd, I'd,

01:28:57.040 that'd freak me out.

01:28:57.860 I'd be like, I don't even know who you are.

01:28:59.580 This is a first date.

01:29:00.540 I would rather talk about this later on in life.

01:29:03.080 I think you, you, we're not saying you should rush into marriage, but rather that when you're

01:29:09.320 married, it's a different lifestyle and it's not, it doesn't change when you're married.

01:29:14.880 Like you have to be prepared for marriage.

01:29:17.560 So you have to begin preparing before, not that you have to rush into marriage is what

01:29:22.980 I'm saying.

01:29:23.900 So in other words, you'd have to, you need to give up the liberal centrism if you want

01:29:27.800 a traditional guy.

01:29:28.580 No traditional guy wants a liberal girl because let me give you an example. 1.00

01:29:33.180 I had a friend who dated a liberal girl back when we were in our twenties and he wanted

01:29:39.060 to marry her.

01:29:39.940 I said, it's not a good idea.

01:29:41.540 He got her pregnant. 0.99

01:29:42.680 She aborted the baby and then took off. 1.00

01:29:46.260 And I think because he, he saw that because she had this attitude of not being traditional,

01:29:52.480 that she was not going to make a good wife.

01:29:54.840 She ran off, did not what he wanted, right?

01:29:57.560 So if you want to, like what you put out is what you attract, is what I'm trying to say.

01:30:01.980 Can you be more specific in like the liberal definition for you?

01:30:06.500 I mean, you describe yourself as a central, a left of center, I think is what you said,

01:30:10.260 something like that.

01:30:10.940 Yeah.

01:30:11.780 But I mean, like if I'm a guy and I'm out there and I, let's say for the sake of argument,

01:30:16.160 I'm a high value male, maybe I'm not, but let's say that if I am, like if I was a traditional

01:30:20.080 minded guy and I wanted a wife, like I'm going to be looking for the qualities already there, 1.00

01:30:25.540 not like, can I make her into a traditional woman when we get married? 0.97

01:30:29.720 I'm going to look for the qualities already being there.

01:30:31.800 Isn't that a lot of pressure for someone though?

01:30:33.780 Don't you think like everyone's in their own journey in creating the best version of

01:30:37.020 themselves.

01:30:37.620 Not everyone's going to be perfect and ready for anything in life.

01:30:40.980 What do you mean by traditional man?

01:30:42.580 Like when you describe a traditional man, what are you looking for?

01:30:45.780 Cause you got to make sure that the net, like what there's, I think what they're saying

01:30:48.080 is if you want to attract a certain type of fish, you got to use the right type of lure.

01:30:51.620 Right.

01:30:52.060 And so when you say, what's, what's the fish you're trying to attract?

01:30:55.760 Um, somebody for me, there's traditionalism, but also open-mindedness, like being able to,

01:31:02.520 um, marriage is great.

01:31:03.800 That's traditional.

01:31:04.540 Yes.

01:31:04.760 But being able to also have different ideas of, of pathways in life and not being so, um,

01:31:11.300 what's the word?

01:31:12.460 So single-minded and thinking like, this is the only path in life.

01:31:16.540 Like this, that's like traditional pluralism though.

01:31:20.220 So like, is there any tradition you can point to that, that has survived the test of time

01:31:24.780 that didn't hold to a fairly narrow approach to what it is?

01:31:28.180 Sounds like you're saying traditionalism kind of looks a certain way.

01:31:31.820 Like the structure looks a certain way, but ultimately what's the tradition that's being

01:31:35.680 carried through?

01:31:36.540 Or is there any structure of the family or does it just look like a family on TV?

01:31:41.320 You know what I mean?

01:31:41.760 Like a tradition itself in every sense of the word comes from a long lineage of people

01:31:47.860 that hold it together and keep it, uh, safeguard it, protect it, keep it rigorous.

01:31:53.060 So it sounds like what Kyle is asking is like, well, what is that?

01:31:57.680 It sounds like it's a type, it's like an image of it, but it's not the practice of it.

01:32:02.320 Like, do you want him to be the breadwinner?

01:32:03.840 Do you want him to make more income than you?

01:32:05.140 I think, uh, that's a great question.

01:32:07.240 I think if they are, they are the breadwinner, that's great.

01:32:09.700 I, they don't have to be like, I would love to make my own income as well.

01:32:13.200 Should he pay for dates?

01:32:14.860 Should he be the one paying for dates?

01:32:16.040 Um, hopefully yes, but it'd be an ick.

01:32:19.720 Be honest.

01:32:20.340 Would it be an ick if he didn't?

01:32:21.620 Um, I would say yes.

01:32:23.080 Okay.

01:32:23.300 So you want a guy who's paying for the date.

01:32:24.700 You're open to economically being on the same level.

01:32:27.380 So if you were dating somebody for a while and he was making like 30 K less a year than you

01:32:31.620 for a while, would that be okay with you?

01:32:33.720 Like, is that, say he's going to school.

01:32:35.620 Is that okay with you?

01:32:36.300 If you're the one making the money at the time and he's going to school?

01:32:38.940 Um, I don't think currently where I'm at right now that it's, it's not a priority, but I

01:32:43.720 think it would definitely be something that would make me want not to be with them.

01:32:47.340 Gotcha.

01:32:47.680 Okay.

01:32:47.860 So like you're kind of wanting some traditional gender roles, like he's being at least the 0.98

01:32:52.980 breadwinner mostly throughout the relationship or at least on, on parody.

01:32:56.160 You want him to pay for that and stuff like that.

01:32:58.060 Okay.

01:32:58.340 Gotcha.

01:32:58.620 I just wanted to understand what he was.

01:32:59.580 What if he fits all of the checks for traditionalism that you are looking for and the only thing

01:33:06.860 he's looking for is you, uh, in addition to your, you know, compatibility, but the most

01:33:12.200 important thing on his list is that you mother his children.

01:33:14.920 That's the only thing in return he's expecting is the expectation that, uh, Kyla just asked

01:33:22.760 of you.

01:33:23.240 Like you're, you have an expectation, right?

01:33:24.920 Okay.

01:33:25.340 But if his expectation is that, is that an equal exchange?

01:33:31.120 I honestly, I don't think so.

01:33:33.200 Having a kid is so like life altering to your body, physical, mental, to a woman that, that 1.00

01:33:39.820 just seems to me and like the most simplest terms, I'm giving away my life to be honest.

01:33:44.640 So a lot of the times it has to be the right person and it has to be like when I feel like

01:33:48.740 it's right.

01:33:49.200 And right now I don't.

01:33:51.140 Well, yeah, the question wasn't like when it, of course there's a, when sometimes you

01:33:55.300 don't know when, uh, sometimes, sometimes you think it's not the right time and it actually

01:33:59.340 is.

01:33:59.820 Uh, but I'm pointing to more like, uh, if you have a set of standards for the man.

01:34:05.680 And let's say it is from every perspective, looking at it, he matches all of this, all

01:34:11.780 of the criteria.

01:34:12.980 His criteria for you is to mother the child. 0.99

01:34:15.540 I'm wondering, how do you know when you're at an equal exchange?

01:34:18.260 Cause now you just said, well, I want the man to be traditional.

01:34:20.720 I want him to pay for things.

01:34:21.720 I want him to lead the way.

01:34:22.960 I want to lead the family, protect me, whatever else you add in there.

01:34:26.520 But it sounds like one of the most important things for that traditional man is going to 0.51

01:34:30.840 be the thing that you're actually like, eh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:34:34.480 Yeah.

01:34:34.720 And it, it seems like it's not a equal exchange.

01:34:37.340 Cause what is it thereafter ultimately, aside from that?

01:34:41.640 You don't think it's an, like, uh, it's fair to say to have a child is like not compare.

01:34:47.660 I wouldn't compare it to me saying like provide for a date, uh, to be able to pay a bill.

01:34:53.680 Like, I don't think that's the same as having.

01:34:55.840 Oh no, I agree.

01:34:56.900 I'm not talking about the single instance.

01:35:01.180 We're looking at.

01:35:04.720 It's sort of, uh, obligation from his perspective.

01:35:08.060 That's the kind of, kind of man he is.

01:35:09.440 So that'll follow through with protecting you.

01:35:11.680 Uh, you know, providing the whole, the making the home, like protecting the home, uh, everything.

01:35:17.820 It sounds like you're liberalism still kicking in and you're like, well, I want to fly to Tahiti.

01:35:29.020 Right.

01:35:29.420 And that's, you're going to live your life.

01:35:30.960 And that's why Jay was asking, well, what is it you're grabbing from the traditional bin, uh, from the man?

01:35:37.180 And what are you providing from the traditional bin from his perspective?

01:35:40.640 If it's not children, is it, what is it?

01:35:42.960 I mean, what, what else would it, could it be like, you know.

01:35:46.240 Are you wanting to home make a lot for him?

01:35:48.080 Like when you say providing children, do you just mean you don't want to give up your career for children?

01:35:52.140 Uh, yeah.

01:35:52.680 I feel like having kids, like it's selfish to not center your life around them.

01:35:57.200 I'm like, that's a huge life decision.

01:35:59.360 And right now I have so much, so much on my plate, career, financial, um, just everything that I don't think it would be fair to have a kid right now or probably in a while.

01:36:09.540 Yeah.

01:36:09.700 I think that's fair.

01:36:10.400 I think one of the things that I think when I look at relationships, there's like these different categories and boxes of percentages that we give.

01:36:17.780 Right.

01:36:17.880 So there's like domestic, there's income, there's emotional, and then there's also like, uh, like child rearing parenting.

01:36:24.260 Right.

01:36:24.660 And so like in my mind, these things don't have to be 50% the whole way across.

01:36:28.500 Right.

01:36:29.320 But they need to be exchangeable in a way where both partners look at them.

01:36:33.300 So say, for example, if the husband is expected to give like 70% of the income and you work like part time or three quarters of the time, I'm not sure what your workload is.

01:36:41.140 Or maybe you give 60% of the income.

01:36:43.720 That means other areas have to flex to kind of accommodate that.

01:36:46.940 Right.

01:36:47.200 And so I think the important question that men have to ask when they're going into relationship is going like, well, what am I offering?

01:36:52.980 And what are the type of women that I'm interested in looking for? 1.00

01:36:55.980 And as a woman, you have to go, well, what am I willing to offer?

01:36:59.620 And which men are interested in looking for those things?

01:37:02.080 Right.

01:37:02.300 Because I would agree most like more conservative, super trad men, they don't really, they're not as interested in like the woman's income. 0.99

01:37:09.020 Most trad men are pretty open to being like 60 to 70% of the income.

01:37:12.460 But what they look for in exchange would be like higher domestic labor. 0.74

01:37:16.120 So like they do the income labor, woman does maybe higher domestic labor. 1.00

01:37:20.040 If she's still working and has to be back and forth.

01:37:21.500 I don't even think liberal men care about women's income.

01:37:24.560 Well, I would just disagree in the economy.

01:37:26.620 Like the reality is very few men can provide for a family on one economy.

01:37:30.080 Some men are like super blessed.

01:37:31.240 What I'm saying is though, I understand the arguments of like, okay, economically speaking, you need a two income household.

01:37:38.960 That's just the economic reality for most couples. 0.95

01:37:41.280 What I'm saying is, is that men, it's not going to make men more attracted to women.

01:37:47.840 And they'll do it out of economic necessity, but not like, oh, she's a higher earner.

01:37:53.060 I'm more attracted to her.

01:37:54.640 I agree.

01:37:54.880 It could be like a nice positive, for example, for a liberal guy.

01:37:58.460 But I don't even think liberal men are going to be like, oh, she's more attractive because she's a higher earner. 0.99

01:38:04.320 I agree.

01:38:04.840 What I'm talking about is once you're in the relationship, these exchanges are going on.

01:38:08.500 I think it's a disservice.

01:38:09.560 So what happens when I listen to feminists and like man spheres fight with each other is women really ignore the income labor that men often do. 1.00

01:38:18.100 They're just kind of like, it's like a, it's like a self-assumed thing that men are bringing to the table.

01:38:22.360 And then men will often ignore as well, the economic labor that women are bringing in. 1.00

01:38:26.640 And which is why I've listed multiple facets, because I agree.

01:38:29.640 Men aren't like looking at women who are making like a hundred grand and be like, ooh, baby.

01:38:33.420 Right. 0.99

01:38:33.720 They're being like, damn, she's hot. 1.00

01:38:35.300 Right. 0.99

01:38:35.580 And like, she makes me feel good when I'm with her.

01:38:37.340 Or that's more or less what most people are doing.

01:38:39.980 But once you get into the relationship, part of the exchange, if we're all being honest with each other, has to be like, who's bringing the income, where and how much?

01:38:46.720 And how do we balance out the other areas?

01:38:49.020 And most people say the man should be bringing in higher income.

01:38:52.080 And so, and typically, one of the partners is also doing higher emotional labor to like make the relationship work.

01:38:58.740 What is that?

01:38:59.680 What is emotional labor?

01:39:00.820 It depends on the couple, right?

01:39:02.120 What is that?

01:39:02.440 So say, for example, you've got one partner that comes in with like a lot of emotional baggage.

01:39:06.580 Sure.

01:39:06.760 So let's use, I'm going to use a man for, I'll use a woman for an example first, because I think people would find them more appealing and then I can use a man. 1.00

01:39:12.240 For a woman, maybe she like had a messy childhood. 1.00

01:39:14.560 So she's a little bit anxious.

01:39:16.040 She's more depressed.

01:39:16.980 So she needs to be comforted more often.

01:39:18.700 Or you could just not date her.

01:39:21.120 That's also not true.

01:39:21.860 Yeah, but that's not what we're talking.

01:39:23.000 We're talking about like what would be the emotional labor.

01:39:25.040 In the case of a man having lots of baggage, he might have lots of anger issues.

01:39:28.900 He might kind of stall wall and not communicate, right?

01:39:31.200 So then the woman might have higher emotional labor to make the relationship work. 1.00

01:39:34.580 Because you have to be able to talk to each other and emotionally relate to one another.

01:39:37.900 Jay, it sounds like you maybe wanted to comment on some stuff.

01:39:39.800 Do you do the emotional baggage in y'all's relationship?

01:39:42.420 I'm just curious.

01:39:43.240 Like are you the one that covers the emotional baggage?

01:39:46.080 I would say my husband is much more emotionally like solid than I am.

01:39:48.840 I definitely like have a lot more baggage from my childhood.

01:39:51.080 I'm curious.

01:39:51.800 I want to ask if you don't mind.

01:39:53.320 Like would you rather be in a situation where if you had an option of a dude who you liked and he made a lot of money,

01:40:01.900 would you choose that if you had to be a homemaker versus your own career and out there like having to do your own thing and all that?

01:40:11.100 Which would you prefer?

01:40:11.860 Naturally, I am very submissive and I already do those things for fun.

01:40:15.720 I like have fun cleaning and cooking, so it's something that I, but I don't look traditional, so it's kind of...

01:40:22.360 But if you had a choice, which one would you prefer?

01:40:25.000 I would go with letting the man lead me and with the money, you know.

01:40:29.040 Right.

01:40:29.180 And I would take on the responsibility of cleaning and cooking for the home and having the baby.

01:40:33.600 So that would be a better life for you than like trying to fend for yourself in L.A.

01:40:37.340 I have to admit it.

01:40:37.820 Okay.

01:40:38.160 What about you?

01:40:38.720 Would you prefer that or not?

01:40:40.460 What, being like barefoot and pregnant and taken care of? 0.98

01:40:42.340 If the option of a guy who has a lot of money that you like, you generally are like, he's not a butthole, right? 0.93

01:40:49.020 Or like you're a career woman doing your own thing and you have like a person that meets you halfway, which would you prefer?

01:40:55.220 Can I just use my relationship?

01:40:56.740 Because that's obviously who I picked.

01:40:58.060 When I got into the relationship, my husband hadn't graduated high school, didn't have a job.

01:41:01.820 I was already high income earning and had the greatest income prospects.

01:41:06.040 But for me, I learned pretty early to really deprioritize like surface stuff.

01:41:13.500 I really wanted a man of character.

01:41:15.700 Like that was the most important thing to me is a man of high integrity and character, which I would say I got.

01:41:22.080 Like Nick's genuinely amazing, amazing person.

01:41:25.380 So for me, but I'm not saying that that's the typical woman experience.

01:41:28.080 Like I recognized that I was very career motivated and so in my mind, I did a mental calculus of going, that means I need to scale back the money expectations because he's got to make a lot of trade-offs that aren't traditional for me.

01:41:40.080 So I can't ask for the same traditional exchange.

01:41:41.820 I did that when I was like 22.

01:41:42.960 I just made that mental swap.

01:41:44.700 But most women probably don't want to do that. 1.00

01:41:46.520 I wanted to ask, go back to you for a second.

01:41:48.100 You hold, you lean more traditional, more submissive, but your appearances might throw people off.

01:41:57.020 So when it is the, you know, when you are searching for a man, what else are you going to have to do, do you think, to attract?

01:42:04.880 Because you might attract the not that, right? 0.91

01:42:06.980 I mean, is it fair to say you might attract not that?

01:42:10.200 Yes, it is fair to say that.

01:42:11.920 But when I date, I kind of go off of the first approach, like how they treat me.

01:42:20.200 And, you know, I don't really have a specific thing that I look for.

01:42:23.820 I mean, I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?

01:42:25.580 It was like you hold, you lean more into traditionalism submissive.

01:42:29.780 So that it might be the case that the man you're actually looking for is actually traditional.

01:42:34.800 But if your appearance can throw people off, I was wondering what do you do to find the traditional?

01:42:41.720 If the appearance might throw them off.

01:42:43.520 But I don't necessarily look for what a man can offer me.

01:42:46.680 It's compatibility, you know, like how does he make me feel?

01:42:49.960 If he has all of that stuff, that's great.

01:42:51.800 That's fine.

01:42:52.780 But if it's a struggle together, that's what we have to do.

01:42:55.960 Does that make sense?

01:42:57.600 Yeah.

01:42:57.940 What would you choose?

01:42:59.180 Oh, like the barefoot and pregnant or... 0.98

01:43:01.420 Well, it's not just barefoot and pregnant.

01:43:02.720 It's also the guy that you like who has stable income, good money, right?

01:43:08.440 Versus like you're on your own trying to fend for yourself.

01:43:10.680 And then you find a guy that meets you halfway or something like that.

01:43:14.020 Yeah, no, like 100%.

01:43:15.400 I would rather be at home taking care of kids, doing my thing there.

01:43:19.140 I do not want to work at all.

01:43:20.600 That's not my thing.

01:43:21.800 What about you?

01:43:24.820 No, I like working for myself.

01:43:27.200 Okay.

01:43:29.560 I'd like us to have like both our separate careers, honestly.

01:43:34.160 I don't know.

01:43:34.840 I love my career so much.

01:43:37.380 I would never give it up.

01:43:38.440 So, yeah.

01:43:40.020 Okay.

01:43:40.560 Wait, you never give up your career?

01:43:43.300 Question.

01:43:43.840 But so going back to this, you said you're old school, you're traditional.

01:43:46.960 Would you be submissive to your husband?

01:43:49.200 What's submission to you?

01:43:51.800 Bowing.

01:43:52.340 By the way, Brian, sorry to interrupt.

01:43:54.060 When I went home last week, my entire family bowed to me when I walked in the door.

01:43:59.860 Even the wife? 0.51

01:44:00.840 Everybody.

01:44:01.400 Did you like it?

01:44:02.320 Yeah, it was awesome.

01:44:03.140 Yeah, see, it's good.

01:44:07.200 Basically.

01:44:07.520 I think that's a joke, right?

01:44:08.460 No, no, it's an actual, yeah.

01:44:09.820 They did it.

01:44:10.580 Well, it was like a meme.

01:44:11.380 They did it as a meme, but it was just funny.

01:44:14.360 Mormons have an oath of perfect obedience. 0.88

01:44:17.420 I'm just curious, though, because I know it's different for everyone.

01:44:20.540 Submission.

01:44:21.840 Yeah, willful cooperation.

01:44:22.700 Wait, did you just call me a Mormon?

01:44:24.220 Sorry, sorry.

01:44:24.580 I was making a Mormon.

01:44:25.300 Yeah, I know, I know.

01:44:25.940 I mean, basically just deferring to his leadership, willful cooperation, so deferring to his leadership.

01:44:33.060 Now, for example, like, I don't think submission is this.

01:44:37.200 Your husband says jump off a bridge, and then you jump off a bridge.

01:44:40.520 That's not, you would not be in contravention of being submissive if you're like, no, I'm not going to jump off a bridge. 0.99

01:44:48.060 Or if your husband said, okay, sell these drugs or be a prostitute. 1.00

01:44:51.600 I would never be around someone like that. 1.00

01:44:53.460 What's that?

01:44:53.960 I would never be around someone like that.

01:44:56.080 But let me ask you this.

01:44:57.720 Your husband says, well, let's say it's your boyfriend.

01:45:00.140 Your boyfriend says, when we get married, you're taking my last name.

01:45:04.860 Well, first off, let me ask, would you take your husband's last name?

01:45:08.480 No.

01:45:09.120 What about?

01:45:09.900 Okay, now we're getting somewhere.

01:45:11.580 So you wouldn't take his last name?

01:45:13.480 No.

01:45:13.880 Under, just to be clear, you want to get married, though, right?

01:45:18.500 Eventually, yes.

01:45:19.300 Question for you.

01:45:20.260 If it's the perfect guy, he's the perfect guy.

01:45:24.800 Most of us won't get the perfect partner ever.

01:45:27.540 Would you take his last name then?

01:45:30.320 I still think that's a no.

01:45:32.040 So question for you, would you hyphenate?

01:45:33.920 Are you going to hyphenate or are you going to keep your last name?

01:45:35.600 I'd be open to it.

01:45:35.840 That sounds like a compromise.

01:45:37.100 What if he's a billionaire?

01:45:40.160 No.

01:45:41.120 But he could help your career.

01:45:42.020 What if he would?

01:45:42.760 You wouldn't take any man's name?

01:45:47.240 Well, I just said I would be open to hyphenating.

01:45:49.200 Can I ask you a question?

01:45:49.580 What about your father's last name?

01:45:51.340 Well, that was by...

01:45:52.440 Let me ask you a couple questions on this.

01:45:55.680 So you said you're old school and traditional.

01:45:58.360 In certain aspects, not old.

01:45:59.520 Okay, so you're picking and choosing.

01:46:01.280 It's a buffet.

01:46:02.540 You get to pick and choose.

01:46:03.700 Oh, I like this.

01:46:04.820 Don't like that.

01:46:06.500 Well, okay, there's some criticisms there.

01:46:08.760 So, okay, you're picking and choosing.

01:46:10.420 So, what do you consider traditional or modern?

01:46:16.040 Hyphenation?

01:46:17.300 Or, like, how do you categorize these?

01:46:19.180 Hyphenation?

01:46:19.800 Yeah, that would definitely...

01:46:20.360 Or what's traditional?

01:46:22.000 That would be definitely, like, if I was to not take his last name, that's not traditional.

01:46:25.680 I can agree with that.

01:46:26.620 Okay, cool.

01:46:27.720 How about this?

01:46:28.580 I'm trying to think of another example here.

01:46:32.540 Would it be icky if he demanded to take your last name?

01:46:37.600 He just demanded it.

01:46:39.440 I would say, yeah, because that's just...

01:46:42.480 Why do I have to do something out of demanding?

01:46:45.740 A couple questions for you.

01:46:47.700 Do you want guys to pay for...

01:46:48.760 I might have been gone when you guys talked about this.

01:46:50.480 Do you want a guy to pay for first dates? 1.00

01:46:52.280 They don't have to, but if they do, that's a great look.

01:46:54.740 It's a plus.

01:46:56.800 Do you want a guy who's a protector?

01:46:58.740 Yeah.

01:46:59.160 Do you want a guy who's a provider?

01:47:00.700 Yes, if you can.

01:47:01.360 You want a guy who's a leader?

01:47:02.740 Yes.

01:47:03.300 Okay.

01:47:03.880 When it comes to the protection component, would you have an expectation, even on the first date

01:47:08.320 or deeper into the relationship, that if you guys are walking along the sidewalk, that

01:47:12.160 the guy is walking closer to the road where the cars are?

01:47:15.700 That's being a protector.

01:47:17.240 Protector.

01:47:17.700 And would you expect this on the first date?

01:47:19.960 I would notice if he doesn't, so yes.

01:47:23.120 Okay, but it would be something you'd want in a relationship.

01:47:25.640 Yeah, of course.

01:47:26.040 And then you'd want him to protect you in other circumstances?

01:47:28.460 Yeah.

01:47:28.900 Okay.

01:47:29.160 So just to be clear, do you want the guy to be old school and traditional in all the

01:47:35.620 ways that men are typically old school and traditional?

01:47:38.860 I guess so.

01:47:39.880 Well, in a way that benefits.

01:47:41.660 Total double standard.

01:47:42.660 In the ways that benefits her.

01:47:44.260 Right.

01:47:44.940 And so just to be clear, though, so you want a guy to essentially be willing to die for

01:47:49.300 you, but you won't take his last name?

01:47:51.540 I think die for me.

01:47:54.500 That's like, I never said that.

01:47:56.100 But isn't that protecting you?

01:47:57.500 Isn't that the, even the walking closer to the, where the cars are in the road, isn't

01:48:02.540 that an entailment of that very thing is he's willing to essentially put his life at risk

01:48:07.760 to the point of death to protect you?

01:48:09.640 That's a valid question.

01:48:10.380 Um, I see your, your point of view, but I think at the end of the day, I would want

01:48:13.620 to be with someone who would, if I said no to them and then I explained why they would

01:48:18.580 be understanding.

01:48:19.860 So you want to have the conversation?

01:48:22.540 Like you want to have a conversation with the guy?

01:48:24.020 Yeah.

01:48:24.040 You want to explain to him why, despite him being traditional and old school, why he needs

01:48:28.800 to accept your modernity?

01:48:30.280 Yes.

01:48:32.580 Okay, cool.

01:48:33.220 So what if he wants to start having conversations with you about his traditional gender expectations?

01:48:39.080 For example, babe, I want to have a conversation about who's going to pay.

01:48:44.040 And it sounds like you're okay with that one.

01:48:45.680 So, but he wants to have a conversation of, you know, I'd actually prefer if you walked

01:48:51.200 closer to the road so that you could conceivably get run over by a car.

01:48:56.880 Because he's modern.

01:48:57.580 He's a modern guy.

01:48:58.800 I, that would, to me that, no, I would not.

01:49:01.980 You wouldn't like that.

01:49:03.320 Okay.

01:49:03.480 I wouldn't.

01:49:05.900 Okay.

01:49:07.140 So you want an Italian hot mess that doesn't want you to take his last name, but it's traditional 1.00

01:49:13.760 in all the ways that you want.

01:49:15.280 Okay.

01:49:15.760 So what does the traditional old school guy get?

01:49:21.080 What do you mean get?

01:49:22.280 Well, so if we're going to lay out some of the things that.

01:49:24.620 You get access to a pop star.

01:49:25.800 Yep.

01:49:26.120 Oh, yeah.

01:49:26.440 There you got it, right?

01:49:27.300 Access to a pop star.

01:49:28.440 So if we lay out the things that you want, so you want an old school traditional guy,

01:49:33.700 so the entailment there is going to be protecting and providing you.

01:49:37.740 I think being willing to and potentially dying for somebody, that seems like a pretty.

01:49:42.320 Is what you're saying?

01:49:43.000 What's that?

01:49:43.260 What do they get in return?

01:49:44.180 Yeah.

01:49:44.240 What do they get that specifically you would be bringing?

01:49:49.080 Okay.

01:49:50.300 I provide, I guess, the term submission.

01:49:53.700 Like, I do love to be feminine.

01:49:55.240 I do love to take care of people.

01:49:58.040 Okay.

01:49:58.060 Nurturing.

01:49:58.500 Sure.

01:49:58.720 Yeah.

01:49:59.000 Nurturing.

01:49:59.440 I would say I love to cook.

01:50:00.720 I'm a cooker.

01:50:01.460 Cooking.

01:50:01.840 Yeah.

01:50:01.960 I would provide that.

01:50:03.840 Being able to organize.

01:50:04.680 If he told you to make a sandwich, you would do it.

01:50:07.980 Oh, that's so rude.

01:50:09.260 Like, in a rude way?

01:50:12.200 No, it was the most polite, charitable way one could say, make a sandwich.

01:50:16.060 Men who are, like, against feminism would always say, like, go make me a sandwich in 0.97

01:50:20.980 the kitchen.

01:50:21.980 Um, yes, I would say so.

01:50:23.720 Okay.

01:50:25.060 And.

01:50:25.740 I would cook for the man, but if he's, like, immediately going into the relationship expecting

01:50:30.080 me to cook for him.

01:50:31.640 Yeah, he expected it.

01:50:32.460 And being like, well, you have to build trust.

01:50:35.920 You can't just come into a relationship.

01:50:37.140 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:50:38.080 Build trust.

01:50:38.680 On the first date, he's supposed to risk his life walking you on the sidewalk.

01:50:42.300 He doesn't have to risk his life.

01:50:43.580 It's nice if he would.

01:50:44.960 It's nice if you made a sandwich. 0.99

01:50:46.380 Nice if you died.

01:50:47.280 Well, if he's saying to me, hey, go in the kitchen and make me a sandwich, that's, like, 0.94

01:50:50.920 rude.

01:50:51.220 I feel like that's what Matt said.

01:50:51.960 Okay, what if he, what if he was like, um.

01:50:54.020 I think it's rude that he has to ask.

01:50:56.300 I mean, in this exchange, right, like, it would be rude if she said, walk on, on the sidewalk

01:51:00.720 side for me, right? 1.00

01:51:01.720 Like, everyone would agree, like, damn, that's, like, fucking bitchy, right? 1.00

01:51:04.200 I think we would all agree that would be, like, a pretty bitch move. 1.00

01:51:06.420 It'd also be really socially weird on a first date. 0.87

01:51:08.480 I don't know, actually.

01:51:09.320 Go make me a sandwich.

01:51:10.400 I'd be like, you have no social skills.

01:51:12.120 I don't know about this one.

01:51:13.140 I actually disagree with that.

01:51:14.220 I think if a man was, like, not aware of it, and the woman was like, what are you doing?

01:51:18.840 Like, protect me.

01:51:20.400 Like, I think a man would actually be responsive to that.

01:51:23.800 Um, yeah.

01:51:25.600 I, maybe.

01:51:26.780 But in general, I think men are a lot better at rolling with, like, criticism than women 1.00

01:51:30.960 often are.

01:51:31.420 Yeah, I'll engage with that.

01:51:32.580 So, I mean, okay, so you're saying the guy should just do it.

01:51:35.080 Okay, so the woman should just make the sandwich. 1.00

01:51:37.840 Just to be clear. 0.99

01:51:38.540 I don't give a fuck about men walking on the side. 0.98

01:51:39.700 We shouldn't have to tell her to make the sandwich. 0.98

01:51:41.460 She should just preemptively know to make the sandwich. 0.98

01:51:44.560 Uh, well, here's where I would argue with the feminist. 1.00

01:51:46.720 She's, she's nothing. 0.80

01:51:48.160 Here's where I'd argue with the feminist side. 1.00

01:51:49.720 You're in favor of the sandwich.

01:51:50.700 Yeah.

01:51:51.020 Okay.

01:51:51.420 Uh, no.

01:51:51.880 I would say, if you have certain, like, traditional chivalrous expectations that would be an immediate

01:51:56.740 ick if, like, not foreseen, and you don't give any grace in between, but you expect

01:52:01.360 high levels of grace in return, you're creating a very losing situation for all men, which is 0.51

01:52:06.220 shitty to do. 0.78

01:52:06.840 It's a shitty thing to do. 0.90

01:52:08.480 However, if you have mutual grace and discuss these things, so, for example, there's lots

01:52:12.820 of things that my husband will ask me to do all the time, and I'm happy to do it, right?

01:52:16.600 He might just be, like, sitting down watching TV and be like, hey, can you go get me a drink?

01:52:19.760 Yeah, of course I can, right?

01:52:21.180 But part of the exchange is that when he's up, I can also ask him to do the same, but

01:52:25.040 that's something that we've also spoken about.

01:52:26.360 Did you take his last name?

01:52:27.500 Yeah.

01:52:28.040 Okay.

01:52:28.700 I just want to point out that even the way in which we're discussing this is in a very particular

01:52:33.720 way.

01:52:34.200 It's purely individualistic, whereas if we're really talking about tradition, it

01:52:38.600 used to be the case that women and men were actually raised that this is just what you

01:52:43.860 do.

01:52:44.300 So you actually just do this sandwich making, and you actually want to do it, right?

01:52:48.920 Because it's part of a larger structure that's more valuable than your own individual preferences.

01:52:53.800 Even as we discuss this, it's like, well, what's the contract?

01:52:57.060 I think the important thing is to sit down and make a contract.

01:52:59.260 And this is all modernity playing out.

01:53:01.700 When we're talking about traditionalism, it's kind of a joke to ask anyone, you know, no

01:53:07.720 offense, but asking you about traditionalism, you're just like, you're taking it like it's

01:53:11.920 like you're at a salad bar, and you're like, here's some cucumbers.

01:53:15.480 And what the traditional perspective is that the tradition is the entire room.

01:53:20.800 It's not the salad bar.

01:53:22.460 And you're able to change.

01:53:24.520 The issue, I think the issue that we have with modernity dating is that the room has

01:53:28.080 changed, right?

01:53:28.780 The problem with the banquet table is that now for the man to even be able to go to the

01:53:32.880 table, this is going to break down immediately.

01:53:35.000 I'll just say this.

01:53:36.140 In the past, men could just work and make enough money for both of them and run the household.

01:53:41.640 For most men...

01:53:42.260 But then feminism happened. 1.00

01:53:43.660 Exactly.

01:53:44.420 And then all the women went into the work and then lowered the dollar. 1.00

01:53:47.840 War happened.

01:53:48.400 And like, yeah, but if we didn't have women go into the workplace, our GDP would have never 1.00

01:53:52.780 competed.

01:53:53.180 And if we didn't shift away from the gold backing, we would have...

01:53:55.660 It's the only thing that matters, the GDP.

01:53:56.900 The GDP is so fundamental for like everything when it comes to a nation state, because if

01:54:01.340 you don't have a competitive GDP, your enemies are able to stomp you.

01:54:04.680 What is your nation if it's not bound in something bigger than the GDP?

01:54:09.800 It's usually bound in some level of like civic nationality, which is going to be the bigger 0.99

01:54:13.720 thing.

01:54:14.200 You mean like duties?

01:54:15.960 No, more like patriotism, like love for a country, not duties.

01:54:20.360 Yeah, but what's the identity of a country?

01:54:22.000 GDP up?

01:54:22.880 No, it's like American.

01:54:24.140 I'm an American.

01:54:25.280 Why don't we swap the flag with GDP up?

01:54:27.920 With a thumbs up sign.

01:54:28.800 I know that you think this is good because it's like one of your memes, but nobody thinks

01:54:32.180 this.

01:54:32.460 GDP is important, if you don't understand, for being able to be competitive with your

01:54:36.240 enemies so that they don't destroy you.

01:54:37.900 When it comes to like a relationship in what we're talking about, we have this issue where

01:54:42.280 the economy is so different now that men can't bring to the table sole providership, by and

01:54:47.500 large.

01:54:47.900 Some can, and those ones I think do get to make different concessions and negotiations

01:54:51.820 on the relationship.

01:54:52.920 But by and large, men have to say, I need you to come to the table for economic income

01:54:57.480 too.

01:54:57.940 And that necessarily means that women get to have more negotiation power for what the 1.00

01:55:01.440 relationship looks like and what they want in return.

01:55:03.240 And the problem with a lot of modern men and dating is that all they feel like they can

01:55:07.060 bring is money because unfortunately our society has attached a male's value to their like their 0.99

01:55:13.340 dollar, their wallet, which I think is a tragedy.

01:55:15.520 And I think it's bad when women do that to men. 1.00

01:55:18.000 And I think it's bad when men do that to men.

01:55:19.100 But you just said the GDP is like the key thing.

01:55:21.700 Yeah.

01:55:21.820 GDP is really important, but that doesn't mean that the part, the value.

01:55:24.600 But then it's a tragedy that men's wallet matters so much in a relationship.

01:55:28.580 It's not a contradiction at all to say that like at a nation state level, GDP is important

01:55:33.340 to be competitive and not get destroyed by your enemies.

01:55:35.960 But at an individual level, it's a tragedy that men's only value in a relationship is 0.74

01:55:41.300 the dollars that they bring.

01:55:42.280 Look, let me make it clear.

01:55:43.180 It should be more value, the character that they have.

01:55:45.340 It's your value scale is arbitrary.

01:55:47.140 It's not arbitrary.

01:55:48.140 It is.

01:55:48.520 It's worse.

01:55:49.560 It's actually pretty bad is that at the individual level, it's a tragedy.

01:55:53.740 But at the nation level, it's the ultimate value.

01:55:56.840 Yes.

01:55:57.040 It's not the ultimate value.

01:55:58.900 Your scale is arbitrary.

01:55:59.780 And when you argued it with me, you said it was subjective and relative and what you

01:56:03.600 believe is right and arbitrary.

01:56:04.640 Relative doesn't mean arbitrary.

01:56:05.860 These are not the same thing.

01:56:07.020 These are not the same words.

01:56:07.640 If you argue that it's relative and then you make an argument, it's arbitrary.

01:56:12.320 That's not true at all.

01:56:13.600 It is.

01:56:13.940 It is.

01:56:14.740 You don't know basic philosophy.

01:56:15.860 This was our two-hour debate.

01:56:17.340 Okay, we can go back to this.

01:56:17.360 Presuppositionalism is-

01:56:18.860 That has nothing to do with whether relativism is a contradiction.

01:56:21.440 We can answer the question before.

01:56:22.380 I'm sorry I'm so tired.

01:56:23.760 You don't understand the topic.

01:56:24.800 Presuppositionalism doesn't solve a group's dilemma.

01:56:26.480 You don't know anything about these topics.

01:56:27.120 Any better than foundationalism.

01:56:27.900 You've never had a philosophy class to even speak on these topics.

01:56:30.100 I know you're saying this.

01:56:31.620 No, but you've demonstrated that you can't.

01:56:33.040 After watching your debate, I don't think you have a degree in philosophy because you would

01:56:36.920 know that presuppositionalism does not solve Agrippa's dilemma.

01:56:41.460 It relies on dogmatism.

01:56:42.720 That's irrelevant to my position.

01:56:43.460 Unfortunately, you offered coherentism as the solution to Agrippa's trilemma.

01:56:47.180 Right.

01:56:47.520 If you know, or you're not educated in it, you know that Agrippa's trilemma is not solved

01:56:52.580 by presuppositionalism.

01:56:53.740 It's not solved by anything.

01:56:54.760 It is solved.

01:56:55.340 It is not.

01:56:56.200 Coherentism does not solve dogmatism.

01:56:58.220 You don't even know.

01:56:58.940 You didn't know what coherentism was until yesterday.

01:57:01.020 You just learned it yesterday.

01:57:02.340 I don't have to know every single philosophical word to be able to engage.

01:57:04.300 If you're going to come to a debate, yeah, you should know it the day before.

01:57:06.800 Then you should probably know what equivocating means when you cited it incorrectly.

01:57:09.740 Which you did it because you used feminism two different ways. 1.00

01:57:11.280 You cited it incorrectly.

01:57:12.600 You said that it's making two things the same.

01:57:14.240 No, it's not.

01:57:15.000 It's using the word in different ways.

01:57:17.580 Then why did you cite it incorrectly against me? 0.98

01:57:19.280 I clipped you lying, dummy, yesterday. 0.97

01:57:19.920 You used two-quote pro to try to claim it against me, but it's an ad hominem from hypocrisy, 0.98

01:57:25.100 which you cited incorrectly, too.

01:57:26.480 When I was looking for confirmation bias, you cited Gambler's Dilemma.

01:57:30.940 Gambler's Dilemma has nothing to do with confirmation bias.

01:57:33.500 It wasn't what I was looking for.

01:57:34.960 Gambler's Dilemma has everything to do from using past post-hoc information to make predictions

01:57:39.780 of the future, which has nothing to do with confirmation bias.

01:57:42.820 So what you do in debates is you cite a bunch of philosophically sounding words to feel impressive.

01:57:49.700 And unfortunately, you don't know what you're talking about.

01:57:52.940 You're talking to the hamster that's running in your head on a wheel in your head.

01:57:55.320 There's a hamster going.

01:57:56.140 To stunt people who don't have philosophical systems in the background.

01:57:59.240 And it's spitting the little doo-doo balls out of your mouth like a hamster wheel. 0.99

01:58:02.240 But you still, to this day, haven't solved Agrippa's Trilemma.

01:58:04.020 And you're stuck.

01:58:04.380 You don't even know what that is.

01:58:05.820 It has to do with epistemology.

01:58:06.980 I asked you what epistemology was.

01:58:08.000 You didn't even know.

01:58:08.760 I said, what's justified true belief?

01:58:10.840 Oh, tell me.

01:58:11.880 Tell me.

01:58:12.600 You don't know anything about these topics.

01:58:13.900 Agrippa's Trilemma, I can define it for you.

01:58:14.900 It's infinite regression.

01:58:16.000 I know.

01:58:16.500 It's dogmatism.

01:58:17.500 That's not anything to do with what we're debating.

01:58:19.380 It has everything to do with it because you're saying that relativism is arbitrary.

01:58:22.980 But relativism has never been viewed as arbitrary ever.

01:58:25.640 It's a philosophical system based out of foundationalism. 1.00

01:58:28.380 That's an appeal to authority, you idiot. 1.00

01:58:29.280 It's not an appeal to authority at all in any way, shape, or form. 1.00

01:58:32.360 The fact that nobody believed that is an appeal to authority because it's a box populi.

01:58:34.960 A moral relativism is a foundationalism belief.

01:58:37.460 The reason why it's not solving Agrippa's Trilemma is the same reason presuppositionalism

01:58:42.320 doesn't solve Agrippa's Trilemma.

01:58:43.380 You don't understand Agrippa's Trilemma.

01:58:44.080 You don't understand it for the regret.

01:58:45.500 I do all the time.

01:58:45.960 You don't know what foundationalism is.

01:58:46.620 It's the idea that you fundamentally cannot justify any axiom at the end of the day because

01:58:50.320 everything must be circular including presuppositionalism.

01:58:52.320 Presuppositionalism tries to solve Agrippa's Trilemma by presupposing something, but it

01:58:58.240 relies on dogmatism. 1.00

01:58:59.640 This only fools idiots who follow destiny when you just yap because you think you're destiny 1.00

01:59:06.140 and you're garbage destiny. 1.00

01:59:07.180 Take a bet on the IQ average between destiny's audience and your audience. 0.99

01:59:10.280 Take a bet on it.

01:59:11.300 Are you serious?

01:59:12.040 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:12.340 The garbage person that you tried to dissociate yourself with? 0.99

01:59:13.920 I would bet that the education level between my audience and yours is actually a disparity. 0.99

01:59:17.920 It maps onto IQ pretty well.

01:59:20.860 Oh, really?

01:59:22.020 Yep, it does.

01:59:22.660 What, like in the Canadian system that you were educated in?

01:59:25.280 He's significantly better education system in America?

01:59:27.960 Says who? 0.65

01:59:28.280 You ain't got the answers, man.

01:59:29.860 Says who? 0.65

01:59:30.860 Aren't you guys trying to destroy the Department of Education?

01:59:34.520 What? 0.99

01:59:35.440 Aren't you guys trying to destroy the Department of Education so obviously the system sucks?

01:59:39.740 If the system was working, then you wouldn't want to destroy it.

01:59:42.620 I ain't drinking up!

01:59:43.920 I don't believe that the state education system is good, no.

01:59:48.540 I wanted to ask you, Kyla. 0.99

01:59:50.520 How are you not in fucking school? 0.99

01:59:52.380 What's the... 1.00

01:59:52.760 One second, Brian's got to get through his sounds.

01:59:54.800 Oh, he hit all of them. 1.00

01:59:56.060 It's called you kiss your mother with that fucking mouth? 1.00

01:59:59.000 Huh? 1.00

01:59:59.680 What's the meaningful...

02:00:01.180 Wait, just...

02:00:02.660 I'm sorry, this is so distracting.

02:00:04.180 I'm just waiting for it. 0.99

02:00:04.920 Because the fucking youth of society... 1.00

02:00:06.100 You shut up when I'm talking to you! 1.00

02:00:08.700 You shut your mouth! 1.00

02:00:10.040 Is it stuck? 0.84

02:00:10.900 Yeah, it's done.

02:00:12.980 That is so long.

02:00:14.000 What's the meaningful symmetry breaker between the tragedy of a man, his whole value being

02:00:22.080 essentially the GDP of the house, and the country having...

02:00:26.960 That it's a good thing.

02:00:27.840 It's not a tragedy that the GDP of the country is good.

02:00:31.840 That's a good thing.

02:00:32.740 But at the house level, which is a small country, it's a tragedy.

02:00:36.940 What's a symmetry breaker?

02:00:38.940 That makes one good and one tragedy.

02:00:41.560 Ecological fallacy, right?

02:00:42.500 What's good at like...

02:00:43.140 What are you saying?

02:00:43.940 You don't know what an ecological fallacy is?

02:00:45.620 Look, I asked you the symmetry breaker.

02:00:48.120 You saying, fallacy, fallacy.

02:00:50.220 No, I'm answering with ecological fallacy.

02:00:51.680 If you don't know what it is, that's okay.

02:00:52.820 I can explain it to you.

02:00:53.960 Oh, you're so condescending.

02:00:55.840 Just answer the question.

02:00:56.920 I'm being genuine.

02:00:57.140 You don't have to know all words.

02:00:58.420 I actually don't think it's bad if you don't know what it is.

02:01:00.280 But my answer to your question is ecological fallacy.

02:01:02.320 If you want me to explain ecological fallacy, I'm willing to do so.

02:01:05.780 Cool.

02:01:06.240 Can you do that after you answer my question?

02:01:08.620 My answer to your question is an ecological fallacy.

02:01:10.380 So you can't answer it, so you won't answer it, because it's...

02:01:13.980 You don't know what that word means, do you?

02:01:15.140 Is a question a fallacy?

02:01:16.580 How is a question a fallacy?

02:01:18.440 So the question is an ecological fallacy.

02:01:21.120 Yes, questions can be fallacious.

02:01:23.520 So asking for a symmetry breaker, I want to know the meaningful distinction between...

02:01:27.360 The symmetry breaker is found in the ecological fallacy.

02:01:29.560 Again, I can define it for you, or you can define it here, but if you want the answer...

02:01:32.400 What is an Agrippa's trilemma?

02:01:35.460 What is that?

02:01:36.220 What is Agrippa's...

02:01:37.520 It's something that she heard Destiny talk about, that she repeats...

02:01:40.120 Never heard Destiny talk about it.

02:01:41.280 ...and has nothing to do with the thing that we're debating.

02:01:43.360 But it's a way for her to deflect away when she gets cornered, and she does it in multiple

02:01:46.780 debates.

02:01:46.980 She did it in their first debate, too.

02:01:48.340 Okay.

02:01:48.660 But it doesn't fool anybody else in the audience.

02:01:50.480 Do you want to answer his question?

02:01:50.880 That's why you can't tell me what subjectivism and relativism are, and how your position justifies

02:01:56.120 itself.

02:01:56.360 I can answer both of those things.

02:01:58.120 You're the one who thought absolutism and objectivism are the same thing when they're not

02:02:02.240 synonymous.

02:02:02.460 Words can mean the same thing in the context.

02:02:04.460 They don't mean the same thing in philosophy at all.

02:02:06.800 Yes, they do.

02:02:07.680 Do you want to answer his question on Agrippa's trilemma?

02:02:09.640 Tell me how your position is true, if it's arbitrary, and if it's subjective.

02:02:13.660 It's not arbitrary.

02:02:14.480 How is subjectivism not arbitrary?

02:02:16.100 I don't use subjectivism.

02:02:18.140 You were talking about relativism.

02:02:19.060 Relativism is the same thing.

02:02:20.600 No, it's not.

02:02:21.140 Yes, it is.

02:02:21.640 No, it's not. 1.00

02:02:22.120 You're so stupid. 1.00

02:02:23.020 It's the same thing. 1.00

02:02:24.060 Okay.

02:02:24.640 Do you want me to define it for you?

02:02:25.060 Tell me how it's different.

02:02:25.820 Relativism is looking at the scale, like a group of things, and finding things relative

02:02:29.560 to certain points.

02:02:30.400 So, for example, relativism would answer the simple philosophical question, if a man steals

02:02:34.480 bread, is it bad?

02:02:36.360 Relativism would go, why is he stealing bread?

02:02:38.540 If you find out that he's in a super tyrannical country and he can't feed his children, most

02:02:42.840 people would agree.

02:02:43.320 It's called moral relativism.

02:02:44.500 There you go.

02:02:44.920 And it's purely what?

02:02:46.040 Moral subjectivism would say, what I like to do is what is right.

02:02:49.500 It is fully centered on I and the individual.

02:02:52.020 Relativism looks at the outer situation.

02:02:54.020 If I say, if I say, I'm a moral relativist, that's a subjectivist position.

02:03:03.500 It's not.

02:03:04.400 I'll draw it for you.

02:03:05.560 Here, I can draw it for you so you don't understand.

02:03:07.440 I said I am.

02:03:07.940 Do you understand grammar?

02:03:09.180 Grammar.

02:03:09.260 For those of you who are not familiar with philosophy, I'll explain it to the ladies.

02:03:12.780 Listen to me.

02:03:13.320 You're talking to the ceiling.

02:03:14.240 There's an X axis and there's a Y axis.

02:03:15.360 If I say I.

02:03:15.960 On the X axis would be absolutism.

02:03:18.680 If I say I am a, this is like talking to, she doesn't talk.

02:03:21.900 So absolutism is like, do you guys know Kant?

02:03:24.500 Have you guys ever heard of Kant?

02:03:25.820 Hey, don't call people that.

02:03:27.640 Sorry.

02:03:28.280 I'm so sorry.

02:03:28.780 So Kant had this idea of absolutism, which is that when we come to universal laws, we

02:03:33.560 should apply them to everyone equally in all ways.

02:03:35.780 And the problem with absolutism is that it falls apart really quickly.

02:03:38.500 And the only law that he could find that worked really well for absolutism in its own

02:03:42.980 way is that nobody should lie.

02:03:45.060 That's a fresh concept.

02:03:46.380 That's a deontologist.

02:03:47.380 It's not what you're talking about.

02:03:48.480 Deontology can be absolutist.

02:03:50.720 So when we're looking at the spectrum of absolutism to relativism, relativism would

02:03:55.260 say stealing is bad, but it kind of depends on the situation that's happening.

02:03:59.420 If I said I'm a moral relativist.

02:04:01.240 So an example of relativism would be like utilitarianism.

02:04:03.220 I'm talking to you.

02:04:03.560 If I say I'm a moral relativist, is that my subjective state?

02:04:08.540 Your statement?

02:04:10.240 Is it my subjective state?

02:04:12.620 I am a moral relativist.

02:04:14.860 I don't even know what you're trying to ask here.

02:04:17.000 It's a simple question.

02:04:17.880 Well, the issue is that you're equivocating again.

02:04:19.460 I am a moral relativist.

02:04:20.980 You're equivocating.

02:04:21.780 No, I'm not.

02:04:22.420 Because you're using the word subjective, and in the next question, you're going to

02:04:24.260 use subjective for a different purpose. 1.00

02:04:25.360 You're so stupid. 1.00

02:04:25.900 So subjective could mean, in this situation, your personal state. 1.00

02:04:28.140 You know what a word concept fallacy is.

02:04:29.820 But then when I answer that question, what you'll do is you'll see subjectivism is a moral

02:04:33.940 system.

02:04:34.560 But this is very different from one another.

02:04:36.660 No.

02:04:36.800 Do you want to go into objectivism versus subjectivism?

02:04:38.900 No.

02:04:38.920 Because we can do that next.

02:04:39.340 The basis of subjectivism is relative.

02:04:40.820 Objectivism is like platonic forms.

02:04:42.960 Have you guys ever heard of Plato?

02:04:43.880 Okay, Plato had this idea that essentially there was ideas that were true.

02:04:49.080 So if we talk about justice.

02:04:49.980 This is like blippy philosophy.

02:04:51.440 You guys need it too, apparently.

02:04:53.020 So when we talk about like justice.

02:04:54.600 Is that subjective or objective?

02:04:55.600 Do you want to interrupt me or do you want to keep going?

02:04:56.780 What you're saying right now, is that subjective or objective?

02:04:59.960 Plato's platonic forms.

02:05:01.460 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:01.480 No, your account of it.

02:05:02.460 He used it objectivism for his platonic forms.

02:05:04.180 No, what you're saying is the truth.

02:05:05.720 Is your account of Plato, is it subjective or objective?

02:05:08.820 Again, you're just doing an equivocation.

02:05:10.260 You can't answer the question.

02:05:11.500 That's not an equivocation.

02:05:12.020 There's no answer to your question.

02:05:13.520 That's not an equivocation.

02:05:14.560 Because all you're doing is being bad faith. 0.99

02:05:15.860 You're pretending to ask me a question that's looking to adhere to actual response.

02:05:20.800 But what you're actually doing is to equivocate the word afterwards so you can trick me.

02:05:24.520 Do you want me to finish going through the why axis?

02:05:26.820 No, no, no, no.

02:05:27.680 You don't know what you're talking about.

02:05:28.240 Do we want to answer his question on Agrippa's trilemma?

02:05:30.580 I don't know what you're talking.

02:05:30.900 Nobody.

02:05:31.140 Interesting.

02:05:32.760 Philosophy King is over here.

02:05:33.820 Nobody wants you to keep talking.

02:05:35.020 We'll come right back to the conversation.

02:05:36.980 But there's a bunch of chats that we have to get to.

02:05:38.920 We've kind of been stalling on them.

02:05:40.180 So, Alpha Pig, thank you.

02:05:41.240 Come on.

02:05:41.360 Alpha Pig donated $200.

02:05:43.700 Yeah, thank you, man.

02:05:44.440 Society has lost the entire point of humanity.

02:05:46.980 Oh, low gold.

02:05:47.480 Big gifted.

02:05:48.440 Which is procreation and advancing itself.

02:05:50.540 Ladies, do you disagree with that statement? 0.97

02:05:53.740 If so, what is the point of humanity?

02:06:01.360 That's a good question.

02:06:03.340 It's subjective.

02:06:04.360 You guys want to answer it?

02:06:04.940 No, the answer would be subjective.

02:06:06.560 I agree.

02:06:07.140 I agree.

02:06:07.360 They all agree.

02:06:08.180 They totally understand the message that just, okay.

02:06:12.480 All right.

02:06:13.460 Yo, Ogle, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships on YouTube.

02:06:18.040 Thank you so much, man.

02:06:18.800 We also have a TTS coming in from Ogle.

02:06:21.160 I understand.

02:06:22.000 Let's see.

02:06:22.540 Wait.

02:06:22.700 Society has lost the entire point of humanity, which is procreation and advancing itself.

02:06:26.460 Ladies, do you... 1.00

02:06:27.840 Here, I'm going to get the rest of them to answer that one, though.

02:06:29.980 Ogle, London's called Glue.net donated $200.

02:06:33.160 Sorry, dude, but relativism is not subjectivism per se.

02:06:36.640 A mouse is very small relative to an elephant.

02:06:39.600 I said I am a relativist.

02:06:42.060 If I say I am a relativist, and that's my subjective state, could you name one Kant book?

02:06:48.000 Can you name one book by Kant?

02:06:49.660 Can you define a group of a trilemma yet?

02:06:52.160 Or are you going to keep running away from that?

02:06:53.900 You're a Kantian. 0.73

02:06:55.300 I'm not a Kantian now.

02:06:56.100 Okay, can you name one book by Kant?

02:06:57.640 I don't need to.

02:06:58.420 So you don't know anything about Kant?

02:06:59.860 You've never read Kant.

02:07:00.220 You don't know a book.

02:07:01.760 You don't know nothing.

02:07:03.460 Can you name a single book by Kant?

02:07:06.420 Not off the top of my head.

02:07:07.500 Because you haven't read Kant.

02:07:08.520 You don't know things.

02:07:09.640 You don't read books.

02:07:11.020 I've read three books by Kant.

02:07:12.180 I don't remember the names of them.

02:07:13.140 You haven't read three books by Kant.

02:07:14.320 You can't name one of them.

02:07:15.480 I haven't taken multiple philosophies.

02:07:15.820 Name one of them.

02:07:16.760 Name one of them.

02:07:17.560 I don't need to.

02:07:18.160 Citing books is a proof of knowledge.

02:07:19.380 Don't you think people who study at a graduate level can pick out when somebody thinks they

02:07:26.940 know a topic, and then they start talking about it, and then they don't know a single

02:07:31.800 book?

02:07:32.060 Could answer things like the difference between objectivism and relativism. 1.00

02:07:33.900 Because you're too dumb to answer. 0.99

02:07:36.420 You think a word has one meaning. 1.00

02:07:37.820 Yeah, you think objectivism and absolutism is the same, bro.

02:07:41.100 It's okay.

02:07:41.580 The sense of the word and the context determines how I'm meaning it.

02:07:45.300 It's called intentionality.

02:07:46.780 In linguistic philosophy, it's intentionality.

02:07:49.440 The intentionality behind when I say I'm in a subjective relativism, my position, that

02:07:55.420 would be my state.

02:07:56.660 That's my subjective state.

02:07:58.040 Cool.

02:07:58.320 That's not what we're talking about, though.

02:07:59.480 It's what I'm giving an example that we're trying to define the difference between

02:08:02.020 absolutism and objectivism.

02:08:02.340 Could you name one philosophy book that you've read?

02:08:04.500 The Five Dialogues by Aristotle, Plato, Republic.

02:08:09.720 There's no book.

02:08:10.440 The Five Dialogues by Aristotle, Plato, Republic.

02:08:12.920 Those are two books that I've read.

02:08:14.260 The Five Dialogues.

02:08:15.660 Which one?

02:08:16.280 Because Plato wrote a bunch of dialogues.

02:08:17.800 Name one.

02:08:19.440 One of the five.

02:08:20.760 I'm not sure.

02:08:21.660 Plato's Republic.

02:08:22.120 You don't know any of them.

02:08:23.180 That's not a dialogue.

02:08:23.880 It's a long dialogue.

02:08:25.000 Again, I know you think that's...

02:08:25.860 What's one of the five dialogues?

02:08:26.920 What fallacy is this where you go, if you can't name book, can't know thing?

02:08:30.360 Because like Destiny, you come to debates acting like you know what you're talking

02:08:34.100 about?

02:08:34.340 Same thing to you.

02:08:34.840 Name five.

02:08:36.560 Name one of the five.

02:08:37.460 Does Jim Bob not know anything about the government because he couldn't name the three branches

02:08:40.260 of the government yesterday?

02:08:40.940 Name one of the five.

02:08:41.420 You said you read this though.

02:08:43.100 Yeah, that doesn't mean I memorized the name of the book.

02:08:45.000 You could name one of the five, surely.

02:08:47.480 Nope.

02:08:48.880 Because you haven't read it.

02:08:50.080 Yeah, I have.

02:08:50.520 So you lied.

02:08:51.640 I don't know why you think this is such a dunk.

02:08:53.520 You read five of Plato's Dialogues.

02:08:55.420 You're dunking on your friend right now. 1.00

02:08:56.200 You're deflecting because you're looking like an idiot. 1.00

02:08:58.000 You read five of Plato's Dialogues, supposedly, and you haven't remembered one of them. 1.00

02:09:02.860 What's a book that you read on Absolute?

02:09:04.220 What's one of them?

02:09:05.040 What's your favorite book?

02:09:06.200 Name one of them.

02:09:06.980 So that's a two quote.

02:09:07.920 I've already said that I don't know the name of the books, but this is not the joke that

02:09:12.000 you read it.

02:09:12.400 Here's what we're going to do.

02:09:12.860 And I think you're lying.

02:09:14.140 I think you're lying about your entire philosophy.

02:09:15.640 We'll get right back to it.

02:09:16.620 You guys can ask each other about books in just a moment.

02:09:19.440 I don't want to ask about books.

02:09:20.160 I don't want to.

02:09:21.000 Because you just got exposed as a fake.

02:09:23.020 You haven't read any of this stuff.

02:09:23.660 So Jim Bob doesn't know what to do with it.

02:09:25.740 He can name the three branches of the government.

02:09:27.500 Guys, there's a check. 0.99

02:09:28.260 You're a fake. 0.99

02:09:29.180 You're a sued. 1.00

02:09:32.860 Do you disagree with that statement?

02:09:34.820 So I pulled this one back up because I don't want to screw this guy over because he sent

02:09:38.840 in a $200 TTS.

02:09:41.060 If you guys can answer the question, do you disagree with the statement?

02:09:44.100 Society has lost the entire point of humanity, which is procreation and advance.

02:09:48.340 So do you guys agree that the entire point of humanity is procreation and advancing its

02:09:55.660 society, advancing itself?

02:09:57.260 In an animalistic way, yes, that's like every species is continued procreating to keep it

02:10:04.820 going.

02:10:05.220 That's like, yes, to me, that's not debatable.

02:10:08.600 But because we're not what you think of when you think of animals, because we're sentient,

02:10:14.540 I would say that sometimes that's just not every single person's goal.

02:10:19.900 Some people aren't meant to be mothers.

02:10:21.560 Some people aren't meant to be fathers. 1.00

02:10:22.920 Some people would be a shitty mother or father. 0.99

02:10:24.780 And frankly, we don't really need them in the gene pool, so to speak. 0.99

02:10:29.340 So if they don't want to procreate, then don't.

02:10:32.760 Do you want to weigh in?

02:10:34.280 I don't know.

02:10:34.780 That's just my two cents.

02:10:35.800 I don't know.

02:10:36.780 What do I know?

02:10:37.220 Sure.

02:10:37.800 I don't really even understand the question, to be honest.

02:10:40.380 It's too complex. 0.98

02:10:40.980 Alpha pig. 0.99

02:10:41.760 You're too smart. 1.00

02:10:42.720 You're way too smart, alpha pig. 0.99

02:10:44.760 You're too good at this. 0.99

02:10:45.260 You got to change it.

02:10:45.860 Here, let me read.

02:10:46.740 There's about five other chats we have to get through.

02:10:49.380 This is ID Bro.

02:10:50.840 He says, the reason why it's relevant is you were trying to say the hebes of the OT are the same as now, which is a blatant lie. 0.98

02:11:00.380 You said King David is the same type of hebe as Jewish people nowadays, absolute airhead. 1.00

02:11:05.940 Does that mean? 0.99

02:11:06.660 This is like way back.

02:11:07.620 This is like from at the start.

02:11:08.360 This is coming from yesterday?

02:11:09.780 No, this is from the start of the conversation because he sent in another one.

02:11:13.020 He said Jewish people were patrilineal.

02:11:16.240 Oh, this guy.

02:11:17.160 He's following up on that statement.

02:11:19.300 Gotcha.

02:11:20.100 Again, I wasn't denying that they were patrilineal for those like 30 years that he listed.

02:11:24.880 The issue is that then they were matrilineal after that. 1.00

02:11:27.180 I don't know.

02:11:28.100 It doesn't mean that they were matriarchy. 1.00

02:11:30.060 They were matrilineal. 1.00

02:11:31.260 We have BP here.

02:11:32.880 He says, I'm so glad the sun dying isn't inevitable because it didn't happen by ancient Roman times.

02:11:40.160 And this came in about over an hour ago.

02:11:42.420 So this is probably related to a different conversation we're having.

02:11:45.600 I don't know what this is in reference to.

02:11:47.760 Sorry, BP.

02:11:48.460 It's yesterday. 1.00

02:11:49.080 It's her argument that was so stupid about inevitability of feminism. 1.00

02:11:52.660 And I gave examples of history where societies didn't have it, thus showing that it wasn't necessary and inevitable, which you didn't understand. 0.99

02:11:59.800 Oh, you're so smart, Jay.

02:12:02.180 My God.

02:12:03.060 I'm so blessed to be in space with you.

02:12:05.300 Do you understand why that's the case?

02:12:06.680 Is somebody tapping?

02:12:09.200 Typing?

02:12:09.780 That was the first time.

02:12:10.940 Oh, okay.

02:12:11.440 All good.

02:12:12.300 Oh, okay.

02:12:12.660 Gotcha, gotcha.

02:12:13.260 All good.

02:12:13.480 Okay, we have Jason Cassell. 0.99

02:12:15.720 Chair four, do you know how ridiculous you sound? 0.94

02:12:19.020 So you had no agency made to do something you never would have done on your own, but now you are on your own. 0.98

02:12:25.840 You do that very thing.

02:12:28.680 This is when you were saying your ex-boyfriend, he got you into, you said he was PIMPing you to do OF, basically.

02:12:36.720 I said that word because he was taking all my money.

02:12:39.020 He was exploiting my body.

02:12:43.560 I was too, but he was exploiting my body and taking the money from me.

02:12:48.500 So, yeah, that is a very...

02:12:49.780 But he's saying now that you're on your own, you still do the thing that you feel, I guess, bad about, is what he's trying to say?

02:12:57.440 I never said I felt bad about it.

02:12:58.840 I said that I did things when I was 19 and 20 that I would not have chose to do on my own.

02:13:04.880 Aren't you exploiting the viewers and taking their money?

02:13:08.540 No, because they will only do that.

02:13:09.440 I'm asking her.

02:13:10.340 You don't need to.

02:13:10.780 No, you're right.

02:13:11.260 You're right.

02:13:12.160 I wouldn't say I'm exploiting anybody.

02:13:14.060 People have a choice.

02:13:15.180 You put your bank card in.

02:13:15.840 So you had a choice in doing what you're doing, so you can't blame it on the guy then?

02:13:19.140 I literally, from the beginning, said I had a choice.

02:13:22.580 No one forced me.

02:13:23.600 I said I was delusional.

02:13:24.520 I do have to move it on.

02:13:26.220 Then we have Sandbox Explorer.

02:13:28.440 Looks like bought a, oh, this is shop.whatever.com.

02:13:33.520 Bought a piece of merch.

02:13:35.100 Looks like he bought a hoodie.

02:13:38.420 Thank you so much.

02:13:39.380 Going to get a large.

02:13:40.140 Appreciate it.

02:13:40.760 Thank you.

02:13:41.060 Thank you.

02:13:41.580 We have Renzo here.

02:13:42.720 He writes, I've been counting J's and Kayla's interruptions for each other.

02:13:50.000 J, 32.

02:13:51.140 Kayla, 7.

02:13:52.340 This is from an hour ago, so it's probably outdated.

02:13:55.000 When a person is confident in their position, they're open to hearing the opponent's argument.

02:13:59.180 T.L.D.R., too long, didn't read.

02:14:01.520 J, shut the, wait, hold on.

02:14:04.360 Oh, wait, what?

02:14:07.640 Oh, wait, no.

02:14:10.700 I'll give you $100 if you can name one of the five dialogues that you claim you've read.

02:14:15.800 I'll give you $200 if you can name a book that's Trilemma.

02:14:18.440 You can't.

02:14:18.820 I've literally said six times that I can't name any of the books.

02:14:22.620 But you've read them?

02:14:23.320 I haven't read them.

02:14:23.900 Yeah.

02:14:24.900 Could you name one of conts for $200?

02:14:26.820 Again, I've already answered this question.

02:14:28.120 For $200.

02:14:28.820 I know you think this is a crazy dunk.

02:14:30.080 So you can't?

02:14:30.400 But again, if this is true for me.

02:14:32.640 So you don't, do you remember what you read?

02:14:33.940 So Jim Bob can't talk about voting because he couldn't.

02:14:36.380 What does he have to do with it?

02:14:37.160 I never claimed to know anything about the government.

02:14:38.980 But you're debating about voting and about rights and about branches of government.

02:14:42.500 So you want to change the subject.

02:14:43.500 You don't know the three branches.

02:14:44.960 I'm pointing out the fallacious point.

02:14:46.380 Would you admit that you've not read these things?

02:14:47.260 Would you admit that you've not read these things?

02:14:48.160 Would you admit that because I can't name books that I don't know what I'm talking about?

02:14:50.580 Usually people who've read the book remember titles.

02:14:52.620 Just let the merit.

02:14:53.400 Usually titles come to mind if you've read a book.

02:14:55.220 Just let the merit of the argument exist.

02:14:56.840 If you can't refute them without falling back to like how many books.

02:15:00.080 So your response is.

02:15:01.320 I guess you're getting a W.

02:15:02.840 So you didn't read.

02:15:03.620 Refute my points.

02:15:04.140 So you didn't read the books.

02:15:05.420 I did read the books.

02:15:06.200 You're a sued who lies about what she's read and studied.

02:15:09.760 And when you get called out.

02:15:11.280 Better than lying about my degree when I can't define the difference between absolutism and objectivism.

02:15:16.120 Which might be more important.

02:15:16.940 So we're deflecting because you can't.

02:15:18.040 Yeah, I didn't get tested on the name of the book.

02:15:19.760 I got tested on understanding what the difference is between these concepts.

02:15:21.960 You didn't read the books.

02:15:23.220 You actually didn't.

02:15:24.080 That's okay.

02:15:24.600 You don't know the concepts.

02:15:25.640 That's okay.

02:15:26.160 So you admitted you didn't.

02:15:27.700 No, I read the books.

02:15:28.800 But you don't know any of the titles.

02:15:30.240 Do you remember any book titles you've read?

02:15:32.320 The recent one.

02:15:33.380 Yes, you can.

02:15:33.640 Oh, God.

02:15:34.880 I'm reading The Wandering Inn.

02:15:38.460 You remember that book?

02:15:38.780 I think it's called Hell's Wanderer.

02:15:40.380 So you do remember book titles.

02:15:41.600 Well, I'm reading it like right now.

02:15:42.960 Right.

02:15:43.400 So that wasn't exactly the best showing for a book I'm reading right now.

02:15:46.320 Yeah, book titles don't mean that you know things.

02:15:48.400 Nobody would ever say this as evidence.

02:15:50.260 But it means that you've read the book or you were not.

02:15:51.380 This is unironically fallacious thinking.

02:15:53.540 It's funny.

02:15:54.100 It's cute. 0.99

02:15:54.440 No, it's just showing that you're goofy. 0.95

02:15:55.440 Yeah, you're going to use it as a sick dunk later. 0.99

02:15:57.860 You're getting mad because you know you're on the spot.

02:15:59.940 Just engage with the ideas.

02:16:01.180 Jay, if you're so smart.

02:16:02.080 Just like Destiny, you're a sued.

02:16:03.480 Jay, if you're so smart, engage with my ideas.

02:16:05.180 You're a sued.

02:16:06.060 You could cite your books too.

02:16:07.040 But if I thought that you knew what you were talking about, I would engage the ideas.

02:16:10.560 Oh, so you're going to pretend you're performing as though you're actually trying to engage.

02:16:13.560 The whole thing with you has been a joke.

02:16:14.880 You're actually being bad faith. 0.98

02:16:15.500 Interesting.

02:16:15.940 No, it's just a joke.

02:16:17.200 Okay.

02:16:17.820 It's not bad faith.

02:16:18.680 It's a joke.

02:16:19.040 I'm shell-shocked.

02:16:20.480 At what?

02:16:21.420 Oh, no.

02:16:22.200 He did like an animation that like a missile like destroyed the screen.

02:16:25.260 And he was like, you literally triggered the army chick.

02:16:28.220 And then I was like, I'm shell-shocked.

02:16:32.020 Okay.

02:16:32.460 Here, we got some chats coming through.

02:16:34.280 Bales, thank you for the gifted.

02:16:36.100 Let me see if I can pull this up.

02:16:37.340 Hold on.

02:16:39.420 Is this coming in?

02:16:40.680 One sec.

02:16:42.940 Bales, thank you for the gifted 20 subs over there.

02:16:46.780 Is it not working?

02:16:47.620 I don't know.

02:16:48.700 Appreciate it.

02:16:49.280 We have some super chats we have to read.

02:16:51.060 We got Sean Brewers.

02:16:53.700 Why do all the ortho bros have amazing hair?

02:16:57.600 Consider me converted.

02:16:59.740 Thank you, Sean Brewers.

02:17:01.360 By the way, Sean, really quick.

02:17:03.040 And this is for other people who send in super chats.

02:17:05.840 You notice how it says 99 cents there at the end?

02:17:08.540 That almost always means you've sent it in through YouTube app.

02:17:12.340 On an iPhone, iPad, other Apple device, tablet, whatever.

02:17:17.080 What this means is Apple takes 30% of your super chat.

02:17:22.720 And then YouTube takes 30% of what's left.

02:17:25.060 Meaning you're giving away 100 plus of this $200 super chat to YouTube and to Apple.

02:17:34.500 So that leaves us with a paltry $98.

02:17:38.480 You're giving away more than half to the woke megacorps. 0.93

02:17:42.840 Look, Sean, I'm still appreciative, of course. 0.73

02:17:44.880 But if you want the majority of your patronage to go towards the show so we can actually make the show happen because we don't have sponsors, we don't do any of that shit, do it through Streamlabs. 0.69

02:17:55.260 Streamlabs.com slash whatever or Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod.

02:17:58.360 Thank you, Sean, though.

02:17:59.040 Appreciate it.

02:17:59.540 Lucas writes, you do realize that affluent traditional men are very discerning and exacting when it comes selecting for background values, gender roles, worldview, etc.

02:18:11.980 In other words, they're not selecting for a liberal woman with pronouns in her bio. 1.00

02:18:17.960 Why would you fit the bill?

02:18:19.560 This is directed at you if you want to give a response.

02:18:22.840 No, I see where you're coming from.

02:18:24.900 I do struggle with, I guess, kind of going back to you, how the tattoos could attract a certain kind of person.

02:18:34.820 I am a musician, free-spirited, that's going to definitely attract very interesting people.

02:18:40.760 So I see where you're coming from.

02:18:42.200 I don't really think in black and white so much.

02:18:44.840 And a lot of the conversation that's been going on right now is so black and white.

02:18:47.840 It's like, it's either this or it's that.

02:18:49.840 I don't think that way.

02:18:51.720 Okay.

02:18:51.900 Really quick, Lucas has some more follow-ups, but I have a couple follow-ups of my own on this really quick.

02:18:57.460 Of all the men you've dated, do you prefer if they make the first move?

02:19:02.620 I would like so, but it's not always that way.

02:19:05.660 It's not always that.

02:19:06.340 But like you said, you've been in like 10 situationships or something, maybe a dozen or whatever it was.

02:19:12.240 The past six years you've been single.

02:19:14.620 Who typically initiates when it comes to any of the romantic prospects that you have?

02:19:19.420 Usually the guy.

02:19:20.340 Usually the guy?

02:19:20.880 Have you ever asked a guy out?

02:19:24.380 I don't know.

02:19:25.700 Yeah.

02:19:25.880 And of all the first dates you've been on, say, in the past six years, I understand that you're willing to pay for first dates,

02:19:32.840 but who actually ends up paying for the first date typically?

02:19:36.500 A man, but I've paid for myself before.

02:19:39.880 On?

02:19:40.720 My first date.

02:19:41.420 You've done it before, but of all the first dates you've been on, what percentage would you assign to it?

02:19:49.300 Almost, yeah, like...

02:19:50.520 99%?

02:19:51.680 Probably like 99, yeah.

02:19:52.940 Okay.

02:19:53.340 So even though you're kind of...

02:19:55.380 Well, okay.

02:19:56.460 And then what's the other thing?

02:19:58.120 Oh, you do want to get married though.

02:19:59.760 You said, do you want the guy to propose, I'm assuming?

02:20:04.420 Yes.

02:20:04.860 You want him to get a ring? 0.90

02:20:06.640 Yes.

02:20:07.340 And would you be upset if the ring was like a cubic zirconia off of Amazon?

02:20:12.760 Or would you want him to spend like a decent amount on the ring?

02:20:15.680 Decent amount.

02:20:16.520 Like a nice ring, right?

02:20:17.500 Yeah.

02:20:17.660 Okay.

02:20:18.300 And then would you want him to get down on one knee to propose to you?

02:20:22.380 Yes.

02:20:23.540 Hold on a second here.

02:20:25.360 So just to be clear, so you want a guy to get down on one knee and then propose to you

02:20:34.240 and then spend the money on the ring, give it, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

02:20:37.520 Think, and would you want it to be kind of the proposal to be romantic?

02:20:41.320 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:42.300 Like you don't want him to just, where's the fucking ring? 1.00

02:20:44.760 Hold on. 1.00

02:20:45.440 Where's the fucking ring? 1.00

02:20:46.760 Here's the fucking ring. 1.00

02:20:47.860 Of course not. 1.00

02:20:48.580 No.

02:20:48.660 You don't want the guy to just be like, you know, there's the ring.

02:20:52.960 There you go, babe.

02:20:54.940 Put it on.

02:20:56.340 We're married now.

02:20:57.220 Or we're engaged now.

02:20:58.920 No, right?

02:20:59.420 You'd want.

02:21:00.440 Okay. 0.99

02:21:02.240 Why the fuck should a guy do that? 0.99

02:21:04.960 Like, why? 0.99

02:21:06.540 You won't take his last name.

02:21:08.540 I see what you're saying.

02:21:09.260 I mean, I said I was willing to do the hyphen. 0.93

02:21:12.340 No, no, no.

02:21:12.840 He insists.

02:21:13.800 He's like, babe, I'm a traditional old girl.

02:21:16.760 I'm an old school guy and my old school traditional beliefs dictate that you need to take my last name.

02:21:23.760 So I think that's not a, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say yes.

02:21:26.580 Just so you, wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:21:27.480 I'm sorry.

02:21:28.480 I think at that point, we wouldn't get to that point.

02:21:31.420 We're not compatible.

02:21:32.640 We're not, it's not, it's not meant to be.

02:21:35.080 Everything else, let's just grant that everything else besides that, you're compatible on.

02:21:40.280 And this is a perfect dude. 0.99

02:21:41.760 And he's got like a, he's got a fucking hammer in the pants. 0.99

02:21:44.840 He's a billionaire and he's really good looking. 0.99

02:21:46.920 And he's also like going to put your music career to the moon.

02:21:53.120 You won't take his last name. 0.99

02:21:55.240 I'll do like, I'll compromise on some of my shit for the perfect woman. 0.99

02:22:01.740 I'll compromise on my shit for, because bro, the perfect woman is rare. 1.00

02:22:06.940 So you, you won't even do the traditional thing that like billions of people have already done. 0.99

02:22:14.680 You won't do the thing like I'll compromise.

02:22:17.980 I still feel like personally, I would want to keep my last name regardless of the situation.

02:22:23.500 Wait, wait, you would hyphenate the last name.

02:22:25.680 I'd be open to compromise, yes.

02:22:27.460 Why can't he hyphenate the diamond and get you a pseudo diamond?

02:22:31.160 That's just a hyphenated real diamond.

02:22:32.980 It's crazy, bro.

02:22:34.220 It's crazy, man.

02:22:34.760 Like, why does he have to get anything that's legit and real or do anything that's traditional

02:22:38.500 if like everything from your view is like half in, half out?

02:22:43.580 It's just an uneven, right?

02:22:45.420 Would you at least concede that it's, it's just a uneven exchange?

02:22:49.660 What, I think what I'm kind of confused on is the importance behind taking a last name.

02:22:55.760 Why is, why is it so important?

02:22:58.020 It's old school and traditional.

02:23:01.160 What about it is demeaning to you to take the name?

02:23:04.140 Like, what do you not like about that?

02:23:05.880 She's a feminist. 1.00

02:23:06.980 She can't do it.

02:23:08.440 I never said, I didn't say it's because of feminism. 1.00

02:23:10.760 I'm sure there's feminists that would take the last name. 1.00

02:23:12.740 Probably, sure.

02:23:13.560 Yeah.

02:23:14.140 But what if like the last name's like really shitty?

02:23:16.360 Yeah. 0.91

02:23:16.660 What if the last name's like super shitty? 0.89

02:23:18.340 It doesn't matter. 0.95

02:23:18.620 Like, like shitty? 0.80

02:23:19.700 Like, I don't know. 0.92

02:23:20.580 It doesn't matter.

02:23:21.660 If you're a, if you're a. 0.97

02:23:22.760 Gilbert shitty? 0.97

02:23:23.700 I'll answer your question. 1.00

02:23:24.520 If you're a trad woman and you want a trad guy and he's got the dumbest fucking last 1.00

02:23:30.580 name ever. 1.00

02:23:31.040 It's, I don't know. 0.99

02:23:31.660 It's fucking dingleberry. 0.99

02:23:33.120 You're taking his last name. 0.99

02:23:34.760 Well, I'm just. 1.00

02:23:35.400 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

02:23:36.220 You're taking that name. 0.99

02:23:37.040 I'm just saying like, okay, I'm going to be real with you.

02:23:39.480 If I was.

02:23:39.860 Be real.

02:23:40.180 Tell us about it.

02:23:40.820 If I was engaged with a guy and we got to that point and he's perfect, I'm going to be

02:23:45.200 real with you.

02:23:45.860 I'll, I'm taking his last name.

02:23:47.200 Wow.

02:23:47.420 But if his last name.

02:23:49.020 What a sacrifice.

02:23:49.840 You guys are so.

02:23:50.740 I'm not saying it like it's a sacrifice.

02:23:53.060 I'm just saying that I would, I would like, it wouldn't be hard, but if it sucks, if literally 1.00

02:23:58.400 his last name fucking sucks. 0.99

02:24:00.140 I don't know. 1.00

02:24:00.520 Like, let's say this was a last name, a Gilbert.

02:24:04.060 Like I would never be, I would never be with a guy named Gilbert, specifically Gilbert.

02:24:07.840 You seem like a girl who would date a Gilbert. 1.00

02:24:09.660 I would not date a fucking Gilbert. 1.00

02:24:11.060 You will never. 1.00

02:24:11.380 I know. 1.00

02:24:11.900 You will never catch me getting fucked by a guy and yelling Gilbert. 0.99

02:24:15.820 I'm sorry. 0.99

02:24:16.340 I could see that happening.

02:24:17.680 Gilbert.

02:24:18.120 You give me kind of, I date dudes named Gilbert or Bartholomew vibes.

02:24:23.440 I mean, Bartholomew is kind of dope, but Gilbert, no, like, I'm sorry.

02:24:27.340 But so hold on.

02:24:28.580 Going back to this, right?

02:24:30.920 So, okay.

02:24:32.240 Uh, the, the guy's a trillion, the guy's the, the, the most handsome Italian ever.

02:24:39.600 He's a trillionaire.

02:24:42.260 Trillion.

02:24:42.500 There's no trillion.

02:24:43.220 Well, maybe there's trillionaires, but, um, but trillionaire. 0.99

02:24:46.880 Dude, I'll do some borderline weird shit for, if I can marry a woman who's a trillionaire, 1.00

02:24:54.000 I would do some borderline weird shit to make that happen. 1.00

02:24:57.320 Okay. 0.99

02:24:58.240 You wouldn't change your last name for a trillionaire.

02:25:02.880 Hello.

02:25:04.620 You just really want me to say yes. 0.96

02:25:06.180 No, look, if it's a genuine, not even for a trillionaire, not even like thousand year dynasty fucking money, you'll, you won't. 0.78

02:25:15.320 Look, if that's, if the answer is genuinely, nah, I'm going to keep my last name. 0.91

02:25:19.160 Say it.

02:25:19.820 If it doesn't affect my, uh, career, what I've built so far.

02:25:24.340 You're dating a trillionaire, dog.

02:25:25.460 Look, your career is over, son.

02:25:27.620 You don't need to work.

02:25:29.280 You got like a staff, son.

02:25:31.760 You got a staff of like hundreds of people.

02:25:34.320 I want to continue.

02:25:35.580 Wait, but what I do is a passion.

02:25:36.820 Wait, wait, wait.

02:25:37.400 Here's the condition.

02:25:39.340 Here's another condition.

02:25:40.260 Well, I'm adding.

02:25:41.940 Okay.

02:25:42.220 The sole condition is you got to change your last name, but you get a trillionaire. 0.98

02:25:46.920 And he's like a great guy and Italian or whatever the fuck. 0.97

02:25:49.780 Do you do it? 0.99

02:25:51.860 Bro, you, you're, I'm sorry.

02:25:53.220 You're quick.

02:25:53.680 I'm sorry.

02:25:54.040 You're quick.

02:25:54.520 But hold on.

02:25:54.960 I'm thinking.

02:25:55.660 I'm thinking.

02:25:55.880 Let me ask another.

02:25:56.700 Oh, okay.

02:25:57.140 Keep thinking.

02:25:57.820 Go ahead.

02:25:58.400 No, no.

02:25:59.020 Go ahead.

02:26:01.060 Would you, if you're.

02:26:02.460 Wait, wait.

02:26:02.840 Let's let her. 0.98

02:26:03.480 We got to let her think, Jim Bob.

02:26:04.700 Let her think.

02:26:06.340 Go ahead.

02:26:07.420 Whenever you're ready.

02:26:07.940 You're bringing up good points.

02:26:08.840 I would say if all of the points you mentioned, I would be open to it.

02:26:13.280 Oh, it's open.

02:26:14.440 But open to it.

02:26:15.080 Yes.

02:26:15.340 But I wouldn't be jumping the gun for it.

02:26:17.120 Bro, if, if somebody comes up to me and be like, Brian, she's beautiful and perfect and

02:26:21.300 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:26:22.560 And, uh, she's a trillionaire. 1.00

02:26:25.660 Wait, what would the reverse be?

02:26:27.320 I have to hide. 1.00

02:26:28.240 Fuck it. 1.00

02:26:28.560 I'll hyphenate for true. 1.00

02:26:30.180 Fuck it. 1.00

02:26:30.460 Why not? 1.00

02:26:33.020 It's instant, instant.

02:26:35.640 But I'm just asking you to do the traditional thing. 1.00

02:26:41.580 Who thinks about this shit? 0.99

02:26:43.340 Who thinks about what's there to think? 0.99

02:26:44.660 Because I think the reason why I'm hesitant is because you're, I feel like you're wanting

02:26:49.520 me to say something.

02:26:50.540 You're, you're making a lot of exceptions.

02:26:52.380 Here, let me ask you a question.

02:26:53.220 It's not always like.

02:26:53.960 If I could hand you a billion.

02:26:55.580 Am I going to meet like a trillionaire?

02:26:57.360 Like every other like guy?

02:26:58.480 Like that's a very small percentage of that are ever happening.

02:27:01.300 It doesn't exist.

02:27:01.320 It doesn't even exist.

02:27:02.820 As far as I, I mean, maybe there's like some people who aren't on the books or whatever.

02:27:05.820 Like I doubt that the situation, that specific situation you're talking about is a hypothetical.

02:27:11.100 No, okay.

02:27:11.640 So I'm, in the hypothetical, you get the perfect million, uh, trillionaire guy, but you have

02:27:18.000 to change your last name.

02:27:18.860 Do you do it?

02:27:19.900 Yes.

02:27:20.580 Sure.

02:27:21.020 Okay.

02:27:21.740 Would you, I want to ask you, would you, uh, if your father asked you to change your last

02:27:27.880 name to your mother's maiden name, would you do that? 0.95

02:27:31.280 Why, why would that, why would that happen?

02:27:34.100 No, it's not, the question isn't why would it happen, but if for some weird reason, he

02:27:38.500 just wished it, he was like, I want you to change your last name to your mother's last

02:27:43.220 name.

02:27:43.980 Would you like hold on to the tradition of carrying your father's last name?

02:27:48.740 I think, yeah, of course it's, I'm 28 years of my identities behind Vargas.

02:27:53.640 Like, why would I just completely change it over to my mom's maiden name?

02:27:58.540 Well, that's interesting.

02:27:59.420 So like, you're, you're just, you're holding on to something that's actually traditional.

02:28:03.460 The very thing that you're defending would be the thing that you're, that, that the future

02:28:09.200 husband is actually asking you to do. 0.97

02:28:12.680 So like you're saying, you're saying like the tradition of man's name, I'm going to hold,

02:28:16.560 like, I love that tradition, but part of the tradition of the man's name is that it

02:28:20.680 actually changes the daughter's name in the, in the future.

02:28:23.800 So your, your future kids, imagine a future you going, I'm so glad mommy took daddy's

02:28:29.500 last name.

02:28:31.280 Right?

02:28:32.200 I see what you're saying.

02:28:33.540 I got a question.

02:28:34.820 Got a question for you.

02:28:36.420 So, okay, let's bring it about, make it about your career.

02:28:38.860 You get the perfect guy.

02:28:40.380 He'll never cheat on you.

02:28:41.420 He'll never leave you.

02:28:43.580 Trillionaire.

02:28:45.380 But he asks, I, I don't want you to do your career.

02:28:48.820 And that's the condition for you being with him.

02:28:51.000 You have to give up your career.

02:28:52.360 You can still privately, you can't do anything public facing with music, but privately, if,

02:28:58.600 if it's a passion of yours, you can like make dope beats in your bedrooms or like multiple

02:29:03.700 bedrooms that, cause you're a trillionaire now.

02:29:05.400 Uh, would you be willing to give up your career ambitions for a perfect trillionaire? 0.60

02:29:13.600 Absolutely not.

02:29:15.060 Hold, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, a couple of follow up questions here.

02:29:17.620 That's like a no of the period.

02:29:18.600 What, your career, to what end is the purpose of your career?

02:29:23.540 To connect, to have a message and connect with others.

02:29:27.500 Music is healing.

02:29:28.580 And I put that into my music all the time.

02:29:31.040 And I connect through people with that.

02:29:32.440 Is all music healing?

02:29:33.740 No, no.

02:29:34.280 You know, Kanye West.

02:29:34.700 Music is everything.

02:29:35.780 Music is anger, happiness, joy, sadness.

02:29:38.740 But to me, it's healing.

02:29:39.720 I'm going to assume something right now.

02:29:41.140 I could be wrong.

02:29:42.140 I think you want credit because here's the thing.

02:29:45.840 Let's say Brian's hypothetical.

02:29:47.740 You have a mansion.

02:29:48.840 He builds you a studio and you create all these, all this music.

02:29:53.280 It's just that people don't know who you are, but they love your music.

02:29:56.680 It's changing people there.

02:29:57.920 You know, everything you imagine from your music is, is happening, but they just don't

02:30:01.980 know your face, your name.

02:30:04.920 Yeah.

02:30:05.320 You don't want that.

02:30:05.960 Cause you want the, you want the credit.

02:30:08.220 That was wait.

02:30:08.540 I want Jim Bob.

02:30:09.600 Can you, that was a really good question.

02:30:11.300 Can you just state it once more? 0.99

02:30:12.580 So the question is if the man gives her a mansion and a, you know, a sick ass basement 1.00

02:30:18.740 studio, she pumps out the music she loves because now she has the time to do it. 0.93

02:30:23.800 She doesn't have to worry about anything else.

02:30:25.120 Right.

02:30:25.360 It's funded.

02:30:26.180 But she uses like a pseudonym.

02:30:27.400 A pseudonym.

02:30:28.140 Yeah.

02:30:28.280 Yeah.

02:30:28.400 A moniker.

02:30:30.000 She's wildly successful for the music you do.

02:30:32.740 Your voice is heard.

02:30:33.900 Your lyrics are heard.

02:30:35.400 So what you're saying is she has the impact that she wants to have, but nobody knows it's

02:30:40.640 her.

02:30:40.880 Yeah.

02:30:41.520 That's why I think it's a pride thing, like an ego thing and not an actual, like you're

02:30:46.480 like, I want to change people.

02:30:47.980 Well, if you did that without the credit, there are many people who change people, uh, philanthropists.

02:30:53.420 They never say who they are, but your image of your success is so, it's really wholly, uh,

02:31:01.380 dependent on the credit and people.

02:31:04.020 Well, you're basically a pick me girl. 0.68

02:31:05.820 Sorry.

02:31:06.220 No, I would say I'm not.

02:31:08.020 No, I'm not.

02:31:08.980 I don't.

02:31:09.280 Well, maybe I'm using that too loosely.

02:31:10.800 I apologize.

02:31:11.700 Pick me more like men.

02:31:12.780 Oh, okay.

02:31:13.380 Fair enough.

02:31:13.980 Sorry.

02:31:14.220 I apologize.

02:31:14.680 Wait, but even, I mean, even in Jim, Jim Bob's question is really interesting though,

02:31:19.640 because it's not necessarily like you would still achieve all the things, but it would

02:31:23.900 be anonymous.

02:31:24.940 So ultimately you want like the validation and the credit for doing so.

02:31:28.560 I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong for wanting credit for like achievement.

02:31:32.580 I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

02:31:34.040 No, there's nothing wrong inherently, but in this scenario where you're being presented

02:31:37.940 on a silver platter, the perfect man, not just the perfect man, but he's also a trillionaire,

02:31:42.500 which essentially would like your, your thousand year dynasty is secured like forever.

02:31:51.940 You're the richest woman to have ever lived.

02:31:54.600 And I mean, that in and of itself would be kind of like some sort of social status or

02:32:01.540 something, but okay.

02:32:04.220 Oh, I had a, I'm trying to think about my fault.

02:32:06.240 Oh, okay.

02:32:07.040 No, I asked it.

02:32:07.720 So you wouldn't give up your career for the perfect guy who's a trillionaire.

02:32:13.300 No, I wouldn't.

02:32:15.840 So you're not some, I mean, you wouldn't be submissive then.

02:32:18.760 Pretty much.

02:32:19.120 Why would a man that I would ever be around want for me to give up the biggest thing of

02:32:25.400 my life?

02:32:25.900 Well, okay.

02:32:26.220 For children.

02:32:26.860 Yeah.

02:32:27.240 He wants you to focus on the.

02:32:28.300 Because if that, if your career, let's, let's say you make it.

02:32:31.540 Isn't it the case that like a traditional man wouldn't want the mother of his children 0.99

02:32:36.380 flying to city to city doing performances at massive stadiums and that kind of life?

02:32:42.060 Like, but again, that's like the black and white mentality that we're talking about.

02:32:45.320 That's pretty black and white.

02:32:45.680 Yeah.

02:32:46.100 Like you could still be like traditional as for marriage and kids and be okay with a 0.86

02:32:51.360 woman traveling and touring. 0.99

02:32:52.860 And not being a mother.

02:32:54.480 No.

02:32:54.920 And you could be a mother and still tour.

02:32:55.700 What is the tradition of not being a mother?

02:32:57.180 Which tradition is that?

02:32:59.600 Not being home and being a mother.

02:33:01.040 What tradition is that?

02:33:01.900 You gotta pick.

02:33:03.040 You gotta pick one.

02:33:04.000 I think her answer to here is fundamentally she wouldn't pick those men.

02:33:06.720 Like probably the worst thing that's happening here is she's saying that she wants a

02:33:09.680 traditional man when really she kind of wants like a modern man who's like more

02:33:13.540 masculine than he is feminine so that she's still like finds him attractive.

02:33:16.380 That's like probably the reality.

02:33:17.520 It's probably like a misnomer.

02:33:18.660 I could be wrong, but like what you're describing to me is like what you really

02:33:21.420 want is like a more modern guy in most ways. 0.99

02:33:23.820 You just want him to not be soy as fuck. 0.99

02:33:25.600 That's, that's what I'm hearing from you. 1.00

02:33:27.080 Yeah.

02:33:27.440 I would say so.

02:33:28.060 Yeah.

02:33:28.200 Thank you.

02:33:29.720 Yeah.

02:33:30.080 I don't think we're disputing that like there are guys who exist who date like

02:33:33.360 hyper successful women, for example, like famous female musicians. 1.00

02:33:37.760 Uh, they are in relationships with men and these men tolerate to some degree the, their

02:33:45.780 boss, babe, career, whatever.

02:33:47.940 Uh, I don't think we're disputing that.

02:33:49.700 I think we're more so. 0.91

02:33:51.160 And for example, a woman could be like the most modern promiscuous, like thousand body 1.00

02:33:57.480 count, whatever, all these like negative characteristics that you wouldn't typically

02:34:00.700 associate with a traditional woman.

02:34:02.580 And she could still like have a standard and want men to pay for first dates, which 1.00

02:34:06.660 is like a traditional dynamic and she can very well get it. 1.00

02:34:10.720 I don't think anybody here disputes like, okay, you could be like the most degenerate

02:34:15.000 and modern woman ever and still get guys to pay for, uh, for dates for you. 1.00

02:34:19.120 That's not a dispute at all.

02:34:20.600 We're having like sort of a bird's eye conversation about that.

02:34:24.040 Well, is that a fair shake?

02:34:26.560 Is that, is that fair for the, for the man?

02:34:29.440 Yeah.

02:34:29.680 I think, I think a lot of modern dating standards that are erected are, are essentially unfair

02:34:35.220 for men.

02:34:35.740 I think a lot of times we, there are very much as this energy of like having your cake

02:34:39.300 and eating it too in the reverse situation.

02:34:41.300 Um, and I, and I think that comes from this idea of like some level of a gender opportunism

02:34:45.820 where you kind of want all the things that traditionalism benefits the woman, but you don't 0.98

02:34:49.940 want any of the cons that come with it.

02:34:51.520 And I think when you're, when you're doing that cost analysis, then you need to like

02:34:54.680 actually, and look at these traditional structures and go, what value does it add to me?

02:34:59.440 Why do I want this thing?

02:35:00.660 And then decide if it actually means anything.

02:35:02.360 Cause otherwise you're kind of putting things on other people that you're not willing, willing

02:35:05.980 to.

02:35:06.340 I want to add to that, that men, there are men out there, uh, not to like put all the sort

02:35:11.240 of red pillars in one basket here, but just to generalize is there's this trend of men

02:35:16.000 who are pushing for this like traditional expectation and they're catching the chicks in this 0.95

02:35:20.500 contradiction. Oh, double standard. I would argue that those, a lot of those men aren't

02:35:25.960 themselves submissive to something bigger. And so they're, they're actually not consistent

02:35:31.180 either. So they're expecting these women to fall in line and submit to them. And there's 0.99

02:35:37.540 no paradigm that they're using.

02:35:39.340 And they're not respect worthy a lot of time either.

02:35:40.860 Well, yeah, there's nothing, it's like this sort of like, I'm a man demand it, but there's

02:35:45.440 nothing that's informing them. And, and I, I can't say it enough that if you're a man

02:35:50.300 out there and you're, you kind of have this like sentiment of traditionalism, uh, and, and

02:35:56.740 you want the woman to submit to you, if she doesn't see you submit to something higher,

02:36:02.280 there's no reflection that she can see of why she ought to submit to you. All she sees is

02:36:08.380 a man saying, submit cause a man, right? And that's kind of the rhetoric we hear. That's

02:36:12.920 why I, that's why I advocate for Christianity. Cause that will make that all of that makes 0.89

02:36:17.020 sense. You'll, you'll understand a proper, uh, system of submission through Christianity.

02:36:22.380 And, and without that, I don't think it exists. It's literally like, um, like what's the alternative?

02:36:28.000 It's like a kind of like a, just a militant structure. You know, it's just like, uh, it's

02:36:33.560 like working for a company where you're just like, you work for my company now. It's like,

02:36:37.440 that's not enough for women to submit. So any of you men are confused. Why aren't they 0.59

02:36:42.060 submitting? They don't, they're not understanding the, the lens through which submission is a

02:36:47.620 virtue. Yeah. I mean, like, I think if you're in a secular lens, if I like apply to a secular

02:36:52.140 lens, I think for a lot of men, like the reason that I submit to my husband, husband, isn't

02:36:56.560 just because I'm like, I feel like that's spiritually meaningful for me, right? It's an important thing

02:37:00.880 in my, in my faith to do, but I do it because Nick is the most respect worthy person I know in

02:37:07.640 my life. Like I, I, I delight to listen to him because I, I trust him. Um, that's why

02:37:12.740 I picked him. That's why he picked me is because I respect him and there's that mutual love and

02:37:17.700 respect. And so I think for a lot of men, even if you're not religious and they're expecting

02:37:21.940 the submission from women, it's like, what is there to respect here? Like, do you have 1.00

02:37:25.600 any higher values that you're submitting to? Do you have any like quality of character that

02:37:29.380 you're trying to submit to yourself? Like, is there any ethics or like moral character that

02:37:33.460 you are putting yourself to that essentially you're submitting to whether it's like ideally

02:37:38.600 God or not God? Just for the viewers. Word. Uh, wait, uh, one final question on this and

02:37:49.600 I'll move it on. So I guess we'll start with you. I'll ask everyone on the panel, would you

02:37:56.980 rather have a high status career, but make no money or a low status career, but makes

02:38:03.320 a a hundred thousand dollars a year? Low status. Okay. So you'd go with a hundred. Okay. What

02:38:08.620 about you? Uh, so let's say it could be like lawyer versus like, can I just pick my ideal

02:38:14.120 is the question? Like what's my ideal job versus? Sure. Yeah. It'll your idea of like a high

02:38:18.500 status job. Yeah. I would take like a high status job with zero pay over the low status job. 0.95

02:38:23.180 A hundred thousand. Okay. What about you? Low status? Low. Can you say the question again?

02:38:29.600 Yeah. So high status job, but you make no money. Can you give an example of a high status job?

02:38:33.540 Yeah. Like lawyer. Well, like no money, like zero. Like slavery. Yeah. You make no money,

02:38:39.280 but you're like a lawyer. More like volunteer work. Okay. I'm actually confused. What is the high

02:38:45.660 status aspect to if it's not money? Like what's a high status job that doesn't pay money? If it's

02:38:52.700 not money, what is the status? Is it like visibility or like you're on a reality show?

02:38:57.380 Like you're, you're, everyone knows you, you're famous, but you have no money. So for example,

02:39:00.800 I could see like a plumber and a lawyer, both of those jobs making the same amount of money.

02:39:05.140 But I think most people's like assessment of that would be like the lawyer is more prestigious

02:39:09.460 than like a plumber. All right. You know, if that, if that kind of makes sense, that makes more

02:39:13.800 sense. Well, even if they make the same amount, I guess, um, just for the sake of, Hey,

02:39:18.680 I got to put, you know, I have a roof. I need to pay for a roof over my head. I would pick the low

02:39:23.620 status stuff that actually pays versus having like this giant sphere of influence, but like,

02:39:27.900 I can't get money. What about you? But you just said they're making the same amount of money.

02:39:33.580 It's just, no, I was just, I was explaining the status component, like how there could be a

02:39:37.480 differential of status between two jobs who do make the same amount of money. Into the mic,

02:39:43.200 into the mic. I would agree with her. I would do low status. Okay. All right. Yeah. I was just

02:39:49.100 curious about it. And that's interesting. I mean, it's something to add. Like when I say high status,

02:39:53.100 I'm just picturing like my dream role that I'm occupying, like doing my dream is like running

02:39:57.880 a treatment center. Right. So it's like, if that's what you mean, but I'm making no money

02:40:01.080 and I'm assuming in this world, I'm magically also like covering my bills. I would love to do that.

02:40:06.220 If you're saying I can't do that and cover my bills and I guess fuck we're a little bit tied to 0.99

02:40:10.440 money, aren't we? Can someone explain like, what does orbs mean? Like it keeps like orbo or like 0.97

02:40:16.080 what? It's from my audience. So it's an inside joke from my audience because I had a drama with

02:40:23.340 a dude who believes that orbs like show up on his live streams and we had this big fallout. So now

02:40:28.580 all my audience makes fun of him. We're talking about orbs. Like paranormal orbs. Yes. Oh,

02:40:34.020 that's so funny. Now we have Lucas here with his followup as a follow on. I think it's fair to say

02:40:38.900 that traditional men capable of fully providing for a household are not looking for a hot mess

02:40:44.820 project. Rather, they're looking for a wife already inculcated with and fully aligned with 0.97

02:40:51.080 the family dynamic outlined by Ephesians 522. And we have Lucas following up again. Yikes,

02:40:58.360 not taking your husband's last name. Well, maybe it's a Greek cultural thing, but that would be

02:41:03.700 aching to my wife slinging a pod of turds at my entire family. Much like not naming my son after 0.81

02:41:10.560 my dad. Chapter six. Oh, chair six. Good luck finding that traditional masculine feminist man. 1.00

02:41:17.100 Oh, that's you, chair six. So what if he said he'll take your name? Be icky, right?

02:41:22.960 That wouldn't happen. I wouldn't. Why? What if you found a wild guy? Does that actually happen?

02:41:29.100 Yeah. I actually have a friend. Yeah. I have a friend who took his wife's time. Sometimes guys

02:41:33.420 take girl names. I didn't know that. I would, if he really wants to, why not? Okay. Important

02:41:40.880 question. If her last name's better. I mean, if his last name is like Gaylord and like her last name's

02:41:45.540 Megatron, I'm going to pick Megatron. Are you taking a new last name? Like if you get it,

02:41:49.540 if you have an opportunity to like flee the Epstein name, are you doing it? That would

02:41:53.980 be the man's determination. Or any steam. Yeah, yeah, of course. But I'm asking like,

02:41:56.700 would you guys be like, if you were last named Epstein and you had an opportunity, like would

02:42:00.880 you change your name? Oh, are you saying like not within the context of marriage, just like

02:42:04.800 would you change your last name? Sure. I'm also making a meme, but yeah.

02:42:08.740 Yeah. If a guy wanted to change his last name for whatever, I think that's fine. Yeah.

02:42:15.640 That's fair. That's fine. Is she just like supposed to change her name to Epstein? 0.98

02:42:20.540 If, if he, if she's in a relationship with him and that's his given last name and he

02:42:25.240 desires to keep it and he's a traditional guy and his traditional expectation is you're

02:42:29.720 going to take my last name, then yeah, she's going to change it. And name the son Jeffrey

02:42:32.680 too. Got to go with it. We have, we have some chats here. We have Belial. He just says hi

02:42:40.580 to, hey to Hyacin. Oh, hi. Is this your homie? Yeah. Thank you. Belial. Thank you. Appreciate

02:42:47.420 it. Then we have Sean coming in here. It's going to take a moment to pull up. Agrippa's

02:42:52.900 trilemma posits that any attempt to justify belief leads to infinite regress, dogmatism or

02:42:59.100 circularity. Coherent, coherentism is an epistemological theory that can attempt to solve

02:43:07.240 this. But it doesn't. Well, you say that, but you have evidence that you're not aware

02:43:12.200 of the basics. So we're not going to listen to anything you say about philosophy when

02:43:15.220 you can't name one book from Plato. You can't because you haven't read it. Just admit that

02:43:23.360 you haven't read it. I have read it. I don't remember the title. If you would like to engage

02:43:27.840 with my ideas, you're welcome to. If you just want to fall back on this, you can. You're

02:43:32.260 a sued. I'm not a sued. I've read them. But you can't name one of them. No, but I do want

02:43:36.840 to engage with my ideas. Because you haven't read them. Again, this is not the dunk. Your ideas

02:43:40.880 are not worthwhile because you're a sued. At least I'm not lying about having a degree in

02:43:46.380 philosophy, I guess. Because if you did, you could definitely tell us the difference between

02:43:50.040 absolutism and objectivism. I gave you the explanation of the difference. You said they're

02:43:54.700 synonymous. In the context, in terms of intentionality, how I'm using it, they can be

02:44:00.000 synonymous. Do you know that words can be... What a weasel answer. That's crazy. The word kid,

02:44:06.340 can it mean two different things? Oh, so your answer to what's the difference between

02:44:10.460 absolutism and objectivism is equivocating. That's amazing. Honestly. Can the word kid

02:44:15.400 mean two different things? Power level. You have the highest power level. Can the word kid

02:44:18.020 mean two different things? Yeah, of course. Okay. So words are dependent on their context.

02:44:23.500 Yeah. So you're answering the definitional question here by equivocating. The word

02:44:27.840 subjective... You don't know what equivocation is. Equivocating, just so you guys know, is

02:44:30.340 when you take a word with multiple meanings and you use them differently within the same premise

02:44:34.640 so that you can muddy the conversation and make it hard. So he's acting like absolutism when we're

02:44:38.920 talking about as a definition. It's just his personal definition that he's thinking of

02:44:42.440 in the moment. When I'm obviously asking about the school of absolutism versus the school of

02:44:47.180 objectivism. Obviously. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your argument. That's what I am

02:44:51.140 asking you about. But I don't care because I was critiquing your argument. Good one. Good one, Jay.

02:44:58.380 Yeah. So all the yapping wasn't addressing the critique. Again, if you just want to deal with the terms,

02:45:03.720 I'm asking you to define the difference between absolutism and absolutism. Five Plato books you said

02:45:08.080 you've read and you can't name one because you lied. At least I know the difference between these

02:45:13.180 two concepts. So you're admitting you lied. Nope. You didn't lie. Nope. But you can't name one of

02:45:18.000 the five. Nope. The most famous philosophical text in history, Plato's Dialogues. And when I read

02:45:23.880 through it in school, it comes in the five dialogues. So I didn't memorize the specific books within each

02:45:27.820 of them. And you can't name one of them. Of the five dialogues? Nope. But can you define the difference

02:45:32.120 between absolutism and objectivism? And you don't understand the topics that you're talking

02:45:34.540 about. Because I don't think you can. Because you can't, you don't understand what you're

02:45:37.620 talking about. You're a C. Plato, Kant, you don't see the difference there? There's no 0.70

02:45:41.680 difference. Name one book of Kant. Do you want me to help you? It starts with a C. One of the

02:45:46.460 Kant books that's famous starts with a C. Same way that... I don't know it. Right. Because you

02:45:51.320 haven't read it. You said I've read three Kant books. Describe stuff. Because you haven't read it.

02:45:57.500 I'm sorry. Just admit you haven't read it. I have read them. Just be honest. The whole internet,

02:46:01.600 you haven't. Because they're famous. Okay. Are we just going to circle this forever? And anybody in this

02:46:05.300 domain would know. Do you want to engage with my ideas or do you want to keep citing book titles?

02:46:09.220 You remember the book that you read recently and its title?

02:46:13.260 Eventually I did. Right. Yeah. But you can't remember the most famous books in philosophy. Yeah. Don't go

02:46:16.980 around memorizing book names. You're right. In future debates, I'll do my best to memorize book

02:46:21.400 names. Do you want to deal with my ideas yet? Or do you just want to keep on being bad faith to try to get

02:46:26.600 one philosophy book from any of the philosophers? One philosophy book? Plato's Republic. Okay. Did

02:46:32.780 you read that? No, I actually didn't. Okay. Can you name one you've read? Off the top of my dome?

02:46:38.720 Not right now. Because you haven't read the subject matter and you came to debate.

02:46:42.520 Oh, Nietzsche's. What's it called? Nietzsche's. What's it called? I'm trying to remember. The God is

02:46:48.140 dead. He goes through the structures. I mean, if I can list. Do you want me to list what's within the books?

02:46:53.020 Okay. The Nietzsche book where he talks about structures and inheritance, ubermensch,

02:46:57.900 undermensch, and he talks about this. The Spoke. I'm going to help you? That's not the book that I

02:47:01.940 read. That's not the one I'm citing. The Spoke. The Spoke. I'm giving you the first words of Nietzsche

02:47:07.700 books. The anti- I don't know why you think this is a dunk. Because you don't know any of the subjects

02:47:13.320 that you're trying to debate. Do you want to engage with the ideas or do you want to fall back on books?

02:47:15.380 You said that I don't know philosophy. You called it to question my degree and you can't name a single

02:47:20.660 philosophy book. You're a fraud. I'm not claiming to have a degree in philosophy. No, you said I was a 0.99

02:47:24.260 fraud. I think you're a fraud because you can't- But you can't name one book. You don't know the

02:47:27.100 difference between ad question and objectivism, which you absolutely- Name a book. Name one

02:47:30.700 philosophical book, you idiot. Question. I already did. You lied. I already did. No, you didn't. 1.00

02:47:34.820 You gave me one. Name one. I just did. You've read. None. Zero. I've read parts of Thus Speaks

02:47:41.180 Their Sustra. Does that count for you? Because I helped you with the title. Again, I can go through like the book

02:47:46.160 that I'm thinking of Nietzsche and like what it is. This just isn't the dunk that it is. And what's the philosophy

02:47:50.080 that he outlined? As a pro-debater, you should be able to engage with ideas and not have to hide

02:47:54.580 behind titles. In Thus Speaks Zarathustra, what's he lay out? I can't remember all of it. I already said

02:47:59.980 that I only read parts of it. What view of history? What? What view of history does he lay out in

02:48:04.620 Thus Speaks? Because you haven't read it. You're a liar. I said I read parts of it. Because you're a liar.

02:48:08.580 Bro, you're so horny for this. You don't know the basics of the book? You're so horny for this. 1.00

02:48:11.680 You don't know the basics. Why are you so mad? Again, I don't remember the titles of any of these books 0.95

02:48:16.740 that I've read. If you'd like to engage with the ideas that we're talking about, I would love to do

02:48:21.020 that. Can you define it? Name one subject. Name one subject. The difference between absolutism and

02:48:25.200 objectivism. Just once. This is just like not the object dunk you think it is. Again, I have read the

02:48:32.560 books. You have no knowledge of philosophy at all. I don't remember what they're called. You don't know

02:48:35.960 any of them because you didn't read them. You are failing because you lied. I'm not failing. You're a liar.

02:48:42.500 I'm really mad because I think this time, like compared to last week, I got sleep and you're 0.99

02:48:47.760 so mad about it. Oh, now it's, see how did you get sleep? I can't remember. Yeah, I flew back from

02:48:52.180 Israel, was up for 30 hours straight, got three hours of sleep and then flew here. I can't hear a book

02:48:57.160 I read. I don't know what book. But you're going to call me out as a fraud. Well, you don't know the

02:49:02.120 difference between absolutism and objectivism. You're going to call me out as a fraud and you have zero

02:49:06.260 knowledge of the subject. And I would hope that you would know it. You failed. Citing books doesn't mean that

02:49:10.100 you're educated. It means that you don't know anything about it. There's lots of people who

02:49:13.220 read books and memorize names that are fucking retarded from the philosophy. This is obviously 1.00

02:49:16.920 true. You lied. I don't know how long we want to keep working on this. No, I did not admit that.

02:49:24.540 I have not lied. You couldn't name one book or the subject matter of the books. I've already said

02:49:28.520 I've named one book that's a fucking philosophy book. What's it about? After I helped you. I already 0.99

02:49:33.560 said that I didn't read Plato's Republic. What is those things there? I already said I don't remember

02:49:38.700 the part specifically. I remember cracking the book and reading a bit of it. Thank you for

02:49:41.940 admitting I have no knowledge of philosophy. That's not true at all. I don't know why you

02:49:45.240 need to straw man. I don't need to read any philosophy books. God, I keep losing this debate to this

02:49:49.740 stupid woman that I keep interrupting. I have no knowledge. I don't know. All this book titles. 1.00

02:49:53.860 I have no knowledge. That'll get her. She's perking out. She's perking out. How old are you again?

02:49:57.900 Like 40 something? She's perking out. I have no knowledge of the subject matter. Aren't you like 40?

02:50:02.160 Yeah. That's again. Oh, so going to go at hominem now?

02:50:05.220 And you've been waiting from crazy to side at home. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

02:50:11.280 Y'all shut up. You've been literally insulting her the entire time. I don't care what you think. 1.00

02:50:15.920 I don't care. You've been insulting her the entire time. You've been calling her an idiot. Look,

02:50:19.500 I'm not saying look. Listen, I'm going to come and debate you, but I'm going to question your

02:50:23.440 military history. No. Okay. Sure. Can I do that? No. Yeah. Hold on. You're not in the military.

02:50:27.120 Yes, I am. 1000%. Right? Sergeant. Yep. See? No, but hold on. That's what she did. 0.95

02:50:33.100 What I'm trying to say. Bro, why did you? Oh, I thought. Okay. Hold on. Let me like finish

02:50:36.640 my fucking point. Don't pass out the. Okay. Go ahead. It's okay. Oh my God. Okay. Let 0.99

02:50:41.640 me finish my point. Are you sure you don't have fake titties, bro? Wow. I'm just. Let 0.99

02:50:47.640 me like answer the fucking question. Can I, can I say my point for once? For once in my 0.99

02:50:51.300 life, can I speak? Go ahead. All right. So imagine if I had no knowledge. Oh my God. Can I?

02:50:56.760 Listen, I'm going to, I'm going to give an example of something. Can I please just, I

02:51:01.040 just want to say one thing. You guys can go back to whatever the fuck you're doing. I 1.00

02:51:04.520 would love to stop. She's a fraud. One thing. I want to ask you a question. Can I just say 0.99

02:51:08.760 one thing? Okay. I already forgot what I was going to say. Give me a second. Give me a fucking

02:51:12.280 second. Okay. I said. Exactly. No, that's literally. Oh yeah. Yeah. You've been calling her 1.00

02:51:19.680 an idiot the entire time. Cause she is. She lied. She got caught lying. Stop. Okay. She got caught 1.00

02:51:24.180 lying. No, that's an insult. Okay. Thank you. Well, you're insulting her and now you're

02:51:29.020 talking about. Because she lied. So if I, hold on. So it's okay to lie. No, it's not

02:51:34.040 okay to lie, but I'm saying like, damn, you're acting like. I didn't lie. You haven't read 0.99

02:51:38.120 these subjects. She threw one punch at you. You haven't read the books. She threw one punch 1.00

02:51:43.520 at you and now you're like, why are you hitting me? Why are you hitting me? It's like, bro,

02:51:46.880 you've been hitting her like 50 times in a row. No, that's not what happened. So imagine

02:51:50.100 if I come to you and I say, I don't know anything about the military, but you're not

02:51:54.960 in the military. You're a frog. What would you say? I would say. Whoa. You can question 0.98

02:52:00.680 my experience where I went to basically, my MOS weapon in the world and I can answer it off

02:52:06.240 the fly. I don't have to make shit up. Exactly. That's not a point to me at all. If you have 0.95

02:52:12.080 this background. You said that I don't know these things. Jay, you got to pause. You

02:52:14.500 couldn't name a book. You couldn't name a book. Or I'm just going to keep talking over

02:52:17.160 you at this point because you will not stop interrupting. You failed. You wouldn't even

02:52:20.360 let this woman speak. You failed. Breathe. You failed. Jay, breathe. You're a fraud. You 0.99

02:52:25.100 got called lying. This doesn't make you look good. Your debate career is over. Again. You

02:52:29.340 fraud. You've lost every debate. How dare you? Brian, I will call you out for things we 0.88

02:52:33.400 talked about yesterday. If you go there, don't do it. Come on, I'm bantering. Don't do

02:52:36.940 it. I'm bantering. Okay. I haven't read these books. That's what you want to hear, but that's

02:52:41.780 just not true. I have read the books, but I can't cite the titles. Or what's in them?

02:52:46.760 Or what's in them? If you have a degree in philosophy. Or what's in them? Actually, I

02:52:49.080 went through the Nietzsche book and cited a number of things. And you couldn't tell me

02:52:51.540 what's in it? What's in it? No, I can't remember. What's in the spake there? What's in it?

02:52:56.360 I already, Jesus fucking Christ. So you don't know. Yeah, now you're cussing and melting 1.00

02:52:59.860 down because you don't know. You lied. You got caught lying. First of all, calling me melting

02:53:02.440 down is crazy right now. No, you're melting down. Second of all, I've already acknowledged all

02:53:08.440 of your questions. I've answered them honestly. I don't remember the titles. I have read them.

02:53:11.560 So you lied because you said you've read those things. And you still won't answer what the

02:53:15.680 difference is between absolutism and objectivism. Did you lie? Objectivism is. Did you lie?

02:53:19.860 Because you know how silly it makes you look. Did you lie? Did you lie? And if you have 0.99

02:53:22.680 a fill degree. I don't owe you an answer when you're not. So I have a psych degree. You're

02:53:26.460 not competent. And say you're calling me on psych. Now you're citing your degrees. No

02:53:28.940 one cares. That doesn't give you philosophy knowledge. I would love to. You're not competent in

02:53:32.900 this. Or you're incompetent. Say my piece. I don't owe you a debate on that subject. 0.99

02:53:38.020 You invited me here. You fucking retarded. You accepted it. You didn't want to talk to 1.00

02:53:42.720 me. You're the retarded because you accepted it. No, not at all. I'm not the one getting 1.00

02:53:45.180 mad at you and saying like, I won't engage with you. You accepted a debate and lost. You're

02:53:50.180 the retard. Sorry. R word off the table. Restart it. Say restart it. Just to make sure. Is 1.00

02:53:55.900 the R word off the word? I think we should. I think we try to avoid it. But sometimes the

02:53:59.580 R word is warranted. So I'll give the R word pass for now. I'll give a pass for that. 1.00

02:54:05.440 But gotcha. Okay. So the issue is that if we were talking about say psychology, I have

02:54:10.120 a degree in psychology and you thought that I was incorrect about something. Nothing to

02:54:13.440 do with this. I'm giving you an analogy. You can follow Jay. You can follow along. It's

02:54:17.520 okay. Breathe. We don't care about psychology degrees. If you're such a great debater, you

02:54:21.380 can handle a question. It's not relevant. You just want to yap because you want to try

02:54:24.740 to save your, you dug a hole. Okay. There are two options for this panel at this point. I

02:54:28.020 can continue my talking point. You can breathe and you can let me speak or we move on to

02:54:32.160 something different so that the audience and everyone at the table can have something

02:54:35.160 different. I love that. You are 200 IQ, Kyla. Thank you. We're going to move it on. We're

02:54:40.480 moving it on. Good suggestion. We have Lucas here with the chat. Oh, God. No. Lucas, you're

02:54:46.840 killing me. Since you claim to have read Plato's Republic, can you tell me what Plato described

02:54:51.800 as the noble lie? I said that I did not read it. This is basic, basic stuff. Okay. She didn't

02:54:55.060 read it. I didn't read it. Thank you, Lucas, for the message. Lies. Thank you, Lucas, for

02:54:58.160 the message. Lies about knowing. Lies about philosophy. You're lying when you said that

02:55:01.700 you didn't read it. You actually did it. You have to know how to fight it all. Okay.

02:55:04.460 So, anyways, anyways, we have Stifler here. Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale

02:55:10.760 of one to ten. You can't pick seven. Starting with you. Into the mic. I think that's the most

02:55:19.460 superficial question to ever ask. Do I need to answer? Yes. Go ahead. I'll do seven because

02:55:25.740 I can't pick. What? You can't pick seven. You're not going to pick ten? Just give them

02:55:31.420 one. It makes them really mad. Hey, Kyle. Not going to pick ten? I'm going to pick one.

02:55:42.340 Imagine if every person would want to be Stifler. No, give us the real answer, though.

02:55:48.480 Why would that not be... Okay. So, just to be clear. So, if you say one, for example,

02:55:51.900 like, so, if the scale is, like, one is, like, the most ugliest person ever, and ten

02:55:55.700 is, like, beautiful, like, super beautiful, prettiest woman you've ever seen, uh, where

02:56:01.340 do you put yourself on the scale? Um... One eternity later. Um... Six. Okay. What

02:56:14.300 about you? I don't know, like, an eight? I don't know. Okay. What about you? Six. With

02:56:20.760 makeup, a six, without a five. Answer. With makeup, an eight, without makeup, like, a five

02:56:26.600 as well. A six. Okay. Jim Bob? 6.9. Every time. Jay? Scale of one to ten on looks? Um... Eleven.

02:56:36.200 Jay, you got it. Come on, Jay. Give us... I'm just joking. Give us, uh... Into the mic if

02:56:42.500 you can. Just looks. Yes. Uh... Eight. I give myself... I give myself a, uh... A five. I give

02:56:59.360 myself a five. Okay. That was cool. Hold on. Um... Jim Bob, can you ask a question real quick? I need

02:57:05.420 to just get up for a moment. What? I need to get up for a moment. Oh, well, is it, it's

02:57:09.400 gonna come up? Oh, just ask any questions? Yes. Ask a question. Well, I hate to bring

02:57:12.900 it back to this, but... You should probably ask the panel. No. Um... I wanted to go back

02:57:17.500 to something about the GDP just briefly. Um... Oh, you're killing us, Jim Bob. If it's the

02:57:23.500 case that the GDP of a nation is the product of a many individual households and their productivity,

02:57:30.860 each individual, uh, household and their productivity, like, if they are seeing that as the value, if

02:57:41.340 the, if it's all tragic, okay, if each individual urge, their urge, their drive to produce is

02:57:50.260 tragic, but it actually produces a high GDP, aren't you arguing for a tragic society of

02:57:56.680 individuals? Uh, nope. Okay. So, GDP is not really tied to, like, the productivity of a

02:58:01.220 household. It's the, it's essentially all the goods that are finalized within a country. So,

02:58:06.520 it's not really about a household because, for example, um, if you're, like, a mid, if you're 0.84

02:58:10.780 a factory worker, you're not, like, contributing to the, the calculated GDP in, like, a super direct

02:58:15.660 way. So, it's not, like, a total one-to-one. I understand your point, though, so I'll rant where

02:58:20.140 you're, kind of, going with this. Um, the, it's, so, the answer was an ecological fallacy, which I can

02:58:26.420 just explain now. It's this idea where you take, like, a normative claim for a group and then you

02:58:30.540 apply it to an individual. So, the normative claim that, like, GDP is broadly good for a nation,

02:58:34.520 that's my normative broad claim. And what you're doing is you're being, like, isn't that good for

02:58:38.760 the individual? You're engaging in an ecological fallacy because at an individual level, right,

02:58:43.140 what I'm talking about when I'm saying it's a tragedy is this, like, sad thing to me where

02:58:48.740 genuinely most of the moral value that we put on men is the money that they produce. This happens

02:58:54.640 a lot in dating and I think that that's something that's unfair to do to men, particularly in an

02:58:58.700 economy where every single person has to be working anyways and we don't attach the same level of moral

02:59:03.180 value to women, uh, based on the money that they're making. So, I think it's a tragedy in that way. I 1.00

02:59:07.960 don't think it's bad to, like, pursue commerce or try to make money or anything like that. That's not

02:59:11.920 the tragedy. It's when I look at a man and I determine his value based on the size of his wallet. I think

02:59:17.220 that's not a good thing, but that doesn't mean GDP is not good. Wait, so you think it's a tragedy

02:59:21.740 to expect men to be providers? Is that a follow-up? Nope. I think it's a tragedy to attach the only

02:59:29.960 value of a man to the money that he makes. I think men bring more than money. Okay, only. Okay. Yeah. 0.81

02:59:35.520 I think men bring character. They're people. They have personalities, right? They're interesting.

02:59:40.840 Do you think it's a tragedy for a woman to look first for, uh, money? I think what it does- 1.00

02:59:47.280 Top of the list, I mean? Yeah. I actually think it's, I think it leads women to bad relationships 1.00

02:59:50.900 a lot and dissatisfied relationships, but it's a very much like, again, it's kind of gender

02:59:55.360 opportunism where they're like, man, I really hate traditionalism except when it benefits me. Um,

03:00:00.600 so I, I generally would advise women to like value that less. You should look for more like upward 0.99

03:00:05.840 mobility. Like if you, if money is about how hard you work, you should look for how hard you work

03:00:11.060 and upward mobility, not your set income. I love that for you. Thanks. I know why you're

03:00:17.820 flirting with me. Oh my goodness, Brian. Uh, I'm not sure if that's what, what just happened there,

03:00:22.920 but, uh, I'll accept it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh, okay. So we did this, uh, finishing up on this

03:00:28.940 though. We have a follow-up question. What do you, uh, no, actually, do you think you'll be better

03:00:34.940 looking in 10 years time, better looking in 10 years time? So yeah, you're, you're 28. Will you

03:00:39.980 be better looking at 38? No. Okay. And then you're 28 now. Do you think you're better? Look,

03:00:44.800 you're better looking now or were you better looking at 18? I'm better looking now. Better

03:00:48.980 looking now. Okay. Kyla, you're 31 better. Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time at

03:00:53.040 41? No. Okay. And then were you better looking at 21 versus now at 31? Uh, I had my glow up at like 23.

03:01:00.880 So yeah. So better looking at 21. Okay. You're 21. No, no, no. Better looking at 31. Oh,

03:01:05.620 better looking now. Okay. You're 21 better looking in 10 years time at 31. No. Okay. You're 24 better

03:01:11.280 looking in 10 years time at 34. Not without surgery. Not without surgery. Okay. Lots of stuff.

03:01:18.700 You're 25 better looking in 10 years time at 35. Yes. Uh, 20 years time, 45. Oh, oh shit. It's still me. Um,

03:01:26.860 wait, yeah. I thought you like, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The both. Yes. Okay. Uh, 30 years time,

03:01:35.520 55. Will you be better looking? Yes. Uh, 40 years time, 65. Yes. 50 years time, 75. Yes.

03:01:45.300 I love you. Uh, 60. My math is, uh, 60 years time, 85. Yes. Are these like genuine answers or

03:01:59.040 are you just kind of trolling? Uh, these are genuine answers. Okay. So just, okay. Uh, I'll

03:02:05.020 just max it out then. Will you be better looking at 105 versus now at 25? Probably not. Okay. So

03:02:10.720 where's your peak then? 85. Your, your peak is 85. Okay. It is. Got it. No, I'm not trolling. I

03:02:18.740 just, you, you, so just to be clear, you genuinely think that you'll be better looking in 60 years

03:02:25.780 time at 85? I'm just built different. Are you saying you're transgender? No, I'm literally

03:02:32.740 saying I'm built different. Like I'm just made out of a different material. Are you saying

03:02:38.160 you're trans? No. What? I said a different material. Okay. So you're not trans then? No. 0.96

03:02:49.700 Okay. I don't know. And, uh, okay. You said you were built different. Um, you're clearly

03:02:58.600 trolling though. I mean, come on, 85. That's your, can be your peak. Okay. Maybe like 45.

03:03:02.980 Okay. Whatever. Um, what am I supposed to say? I don't know. Like, I don't know if I'll keep

03:03:10.240 working. I'll keep working out. I mean, I work out, I eat healthy. I assume I'll keep looking

03:03:15.500 better. I mean, looks fade, but I don't know. Okay. Uh, you're 28. Will you be better looking

03:03:24.000 in 10 years time at 38? I, I'm going to say yes. Cause I'm probably going to get a lot of

03:03:28.020 surgery and work out a lot more than I am right now. Okay. And will you be better looking,

03:03:33.060 uh, 48, 20 years time? Depends on the upkeep. If I'm up, if I'm, you know, following through

03:03:43.180 eating healthy, working out. Let's assume the upkeep is good. I guess absent plastic surgery.

03:03:49.040 Will you be better looking at 48 versus 28? I think there's definitely going to be a different,

03:03:54.240 like I would rather be 28 than 48, even with plastic surgery. So I guess a no, but I would

03:04:00.460 say yes for 10 years plus. So 38. Yes. 48. No. Okay. And then are you better looking now at 28

03:04:06.980 than you were at 18? Yes. Okay. Jim Bob, you're 44 better looking in 10 years time at. Yeah. I'm

03:04:12.720 going to be super. Mary, can you start pulling up the discord? Have you been doing it? Okay. It's

03:04:18.020 the discord, the research tab, start pulling up the age advance and the gender swaps. I'm going 0.96

03:04:23.080 to be ripped in 10 years. Okay. Actually, you typically don't ask this question to the men

03:04:27.640 because they don't give like our slurred answers, but, um, Jay Dyer, would you think you'll be

03:04:32.580 better looking in 10 years time, 20 years time? Ponytail. Um, we age pretty well. So I would

03:04:37.520 say I'll probably look about this. There you go. All right. Okay. Uh, do you have those pulled

03:04:42.320 up? So what we've, okay. Let's see about that. Uh, JJ, thank you for the soup chat. Appreciate

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03:05:18.500 and then shop dot whatever.com. If you want to get yourself some merch, also big labia 1.00

03:05:24.740 matter. Um, that's important, I guess. Uh, okay. I'm just waiting on the age advancements

03:05:30.600 where I actually just wait until, uh, the, yeah, I'll wait a little bit until she's, we 0.98

03:05:35.460 have everybody back at the table. Well, it's big labia like an actual thing. Like what do you 0.95

03:05:40.300 like, I have no, like, I don't know, like, what is it? I educate me while, you know,

03:05:45.260 no one's here. Uh, so I guess there's innies and howdies and there's middies. There's all

03:05:49.400 kinds of variation in between. And, uh, this is like an old school feminist talking point, 1.00

03:05:53.940 although I don't really hear it that much anymore with the, uh, increase in like pro pro

03:06:00.540 surgery feminism, just kind of interesting. But, uh, yeah, essentially there's this talking 1.00

03:06:05.380 point, uh, that depictions and like pornographic material, it would always have these like perfect, 0.65

03:06:11.100 perfectly manicured vaginas basically, which is just not how I think it's like 50% of women have 1.00

03:06:16.360 Audis, so to speak. And I don't think people should be shamed for their genitalia and, um, 0.93

03:06:22.400 whether you're a man or a woman, but specifically when it comes to women on this topic, like they're

03:06:26.100 shamed, you know, you'll hear terms like beef curtains, wizard sleeve, Arby's meat, meat used quite

03:06:32.400 a bit. So, uh, I'm against it. And, uh, yeah, that's pretty much it. I guess when you phrase

03:06:37.500 it like that, big labias matter. Big labias do matter. So it's, uh, yeah, uh, big, uh, you know

03:06:43.500 what the thing is though, all labias can't matter until big labias matter, excuse me. So there is

03:06:49.460 that. Um, okay. Uh, we're still waiting for her to come back. So I'll just get into notes. We have

03:06:53.860 some notes from you, Charlie. Uh, you said you were one time you were on a date with a guy who was an

03:06:58.480 influencer. He took you out on a date and he was live streaming your date.

03:07:02.920 Twice or wait, her date. Oh, so you went on two dates. So he, he asked me out on a date and I said,

03:07:08.440 yeah, sure. Um, this was like when me and my fiance, we weren't like together. Cause we,

03:07:13.640 we didn't make, we didn't want to make LDR work yet at this point. But long story short is he hits

03:07:19.440 me up and he's like, Hey, let's go on a date. So I was like, yeah, sure. So he sets up a day,

03:07:24.120 sets up the time, sets up when he's going to pick me up. It's all great. And he's so background,

03:07:28.340 he's like a super big influencer. Um, he picks me up, we go to the location and while he's driving,

03:07:35.900 he's like saying like doing Twitch stuff, like the stuff, like Twitch people do, like,

03:07:41.480 I don't know, Twitch, like give me like 20 bucks or something. And I'll say this to her or something

03:07:45.460 like that. And so it was just like, obviously not real or whatever. And he's, uh, we're together at

03:07:50.980 the table and we start talking and now it's becoming like an actual date, but it's still

03:07:56.000 being live stream, but it's a genuine date. It feels like. And then I just asked him, I said,

03:08:00.200 do you ever do things for fun? That's what I said to him. Like, do you ever genuinely do things not

03:08:06.900 for the views, not for the subs, not for the money. And, but do you just do things for fun to be present

03:08:11.480 in the moment and not feel like you have to put up a front, this like front for people. And he didn't

03:08:17.700 give me a really good answer. It was like, I don't remember the answer. It was like a wishy

03:08:20.860 washy answer. And so I got up, I paid for my drink and my meal and I left. How did you, uh,

03:08:27.040 garnish a date with the big influencer? How did that all unfold? To be honest, I didn't know he

03:08:32.540 was an influencer until he followed me and I followed him back. And I saw that he had actually

03:08:37.420 a really big following. Why did he follow you? Because we met on a, well, we, we started chatting on a

03:08:43.240 dating app. Oh, it was, it was, yeah, no, like we met on an app. It was just his first name. It

03:08:47.960 was just personal pictures of him. I didn't really, I started low key recognizing him from like the old,

03:08:54.060 like vine era. And then, um, who was it? I can't, I'm not going to say, I don't do that. I don't

03:09:02.040 kiss and tell. Um, so, but he, he, uh, you asked if he does anything for fun. He had no answer.

03:09:08.100 And then you walked out after paying for your drink. Um, I'm curious though, is there anything

03:09:14.300 wrong with not doing anything for fun? Like maybe you're just working so hard that one day you can,

03:09:20.380 one day you can support a family. No, not even like, honestly, necessarily like my real answer is

03:09:26.620 like, no, there's nothing wrong. Some people just like for me, for example, I'm an EMT, like I'm gonna

03:09:31.840 be real with you. We don't get paid shit. I do auditions when I have time and I try to, you know, 0.99

03:09:37.980 write my own scripts and produce them. But like at the end of the day, I ended up having to pull

03:09:41.580 five to six day work weeks just to survive, just have a roof over my head. So I sympathize with

03:09:46.920 people that they can't do anything fun because it's either too expensive or just they have to work

03:09:51.960 so much to make ends meet. I get that. But when you're somebody like him who I get it influencing

03:09:58.220 like his job, but can you maybe put the phone down for just an hour and just be present for once

03:10:04.320 and just show me your authentic self?

03:10:07.880 Okay. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I was just thinking like, I don't have anything against fun or anything,

03:10:13.820 but maybe some men just operate from a paradigm of self-sacrifice and part of that self-sacrifice.

03:10:20.080 He was not a traditional man. Like, like, like to just, he was definitely very modern as, as like

03:10:26.200 very modern in the sense that you guys have described. Okay. Uh, here we're going to do the,

03:10:31.320 so here's what we're going to do. We have put every single person here on the panel through an AI

03:10:35.720 and we've, we've aged, advanced all of you. Some of you said you're going to be better looking in

03:10:41.560 10, 20, 30 years time, et cetera, et cetera. So we've put you through the, through AI and we're

03:10:46.460 going to see if it's true. Go ahead. Pull it up. Oh my goodness. Try to eat cookies. Yeah. That's

03:10:55.860 going to be the grandma I'm going to be. All right. Wow. Okay. Nice. Yeah. It's always the same old lady

03:11:02.580 though. Creeping in on the last image every time. Where did these photos come out? I think you're pretty cute.

03:11:07.280 You're pretty cute. Uh, okay. Uh, let's go next. There's no way that's just 10 years.

03:11:14.140 That is not just a 10 year regression. I could be. I mean, if you drink and smoke heavily, then maybe.

03:11:21.780 That's true. After my severe crack addiction in the next 10 years, that will be me. It could. It

03:11:25.500 might happen. All right. Next. Oh, that's hard to look at. I don't want to look at that. So how do you

03:11:33.280 feel about that? Disgusted. Disgusted. Okay. All right. You ready? All right. Oh, that's not bad.

03:11:41.300 I look cute. Hair is luscious. Yeah. Took some MILF. Oh Jesus. Okay. There we go. All right.

03:11:51.160 Next. I look fucking cool. I look real. Okay. All right. Uh, let's do. Oh, 0.97

03:12:03.820 what do you think? Yeah. She looks cute. Into the mic if you can, please. No surgery done. No surgery

03:12:13.240 done. Next. I was the same lady though. Every time. Jim Bob. Yeah. This is a curmudgeon. Get

03:12:20.240 off my couch. Yeah. All right. Next. I think was that your wife that just laughed at that? I think she 1.00

03:12:29.820 just chuckled a little bit. It's your future. Is that. Why do you extend the pink down your

03:12:34.820 forehead? That's with like cigarettes. Yeah. There you go. All right. Uh, next. Oh, okay.

03:12:40.640 All right. Felicity back there. Oof. Uh, next. What the fuck is it? Oh, I see. That's just

03:12:51.260 like a headshot. Make it smaller. Oh, wait, I know where. Okay. So this is actually, this

03:12:57.620 is like from 10 plus years ago. I was in Amsterdam doing a promo for, uh, bad grandpa. The jackass

03:13:05.880 presents bad grandpa with Johnny Knoxville. And they put like, they, they turned, turned 0.99

03:13:11.000 me into an old man. Oh, that's actually prosthetic and makeup. It wasn't, they didn't put like

03:13:16.360 those, the, you know, it was like a 30 minute makeup job. So it's not like the crazy, like

03:13:20.480 full on prosthetics, but yeah, they, they did that. So is there next or is that middle one

03:13:25.920 look kind of looks like an arrest photo? Like Kevin Spacey did something terrible. You know,

03:13:30.820 that's actually the age one though. That, that middle one's pretty, you know, I, yeah, that,

03:13:35.000 that's just crazy. That's young. That's a 10 year old photo though. 10 plus year old. Damn.

03:13:40.340 Shit. Back when you were youthful. That was actually not a tub of lard. Um, all right. 1.00

03:13:47.040 Next. Do, do we have the gender swaps? All right. Keep an eye on those. Brian, were 0.62

03:13:53.400 you popular in high school? Like when you were younger? Like what was your, um, archetype?

03:13:58.460 Yeah. My high school archetype? Yeah. What were you? I was a Sigma. You were an athlete.

03:14:07.020 Were you a nerd or like, were you an athlete? No, uh, Sigma male mindset. What was my archetype?

03:14:16.360 Uh, shit. I mean, uh, I wasn't like a jock. Yeah. I was like, I think I was like a normal. 0.99

03:14:22.600 You're just the normie. I was like a normal kid. Maybe like a little, just doing my own thing.

03:14:27.660 Okay. I didn't have like a giant fan group. Right. I guess I kind of was a Sigma actually,

03:14:32.840 but I was just doing my own thing. Uh, I was over high school though, but I'm junior year.

03:14:38.760 What about you, Jay? Were you a skater boy? He was a, no, I was a wittiest. I was popular.

03:14:43.740 He was a popular. Yeah. He was a legend in high school. I actually, when I was in high school,

03:14:49.280 I heard about him. Did you actually? No. That's how much of a legend Jay was. Where did you go to high

03:14:57.560 school? Tennessee. Okay. We heard about him. I heard about him in Alabama. You heard about him in Alabama?

03:15:01.980 He was a big deal. His reputation. Yeah. Through the biggest ragers. Yeah. Uh, anyways, we're,

03:15:07.720 we're still waiting on the gender swaps. Did those come through? Okay. You, you got all of them or 0.96

03:15:13.120 you still need to, okay, perfect. So guys, for this next segment, we've swapped your gender. All of y'all 0.95

03:15:19.800 are men. Well, you guys are women. You guys have changed to women. And the question is, 0.93

03:15:27.700 would you date the male version of you? Or do you find them attractive or whatever? Go ahead.

03:15:35.500 Am I still around? It's like one of the Bee Gees. I know. Whoa. Um, if you still have,

03:15:43.080 were they the falsetto guy? Yeah. Yeah. I started a joke.

03:15:49.440 Would you date the male version of you? He looks nice. He's a little too nice though. Yeah. You know

03:15:56.380 what I mean? Yeah. Like he's like, Hey girl, read my feminist essay. Do you want to study

03:16:02.320 gender studies together? What's that thing from Zoolander? The blue steel? Is that what 1.00

03:16:07.340 you're doing there? Oh, am I? You're kind of doing blue steel. Here, do it to the camera

03:16:11.660 right now. The blue steel. Yeah, there it is. All right. Uh, so would you know, is that a no

03:16:18.560 or yes? He seems like he'd be a good friend. Yeah. Friend sound. Friend sound. He's a brave

03:16:26.800 decent man. He's a pioneer. All right. Uh, next. Whoa. That looks. Ben Affleck? That looks

03:16:35.680 like my brother. Um, I generally don't date white men actually. So not super my preference.

03:16:43.840 You generally, before your husband, did you, my husband's not white, but you dated, I dated

03:16:49.520 one, like, uh, like you like Asian guys or yeah, just usually not white. Also that looks

03:16:55.800 like my brother. That's your, that would make me really uncomfortable just dating. So wouldn't

03:16:59.960 date him if you were single. I mean, he's cute. He's a good looking guy. The stuff looks great.

03:17:04.700 Um, I just see my wonderful raging gay brother. So it just feels a little weird. Next. 1.00

03:17:13.840 Wait, did we skip one? I think we skipped one. You might've, here, I don't know, but ew.

03:17:19.580 Ew. Did you say ew? What a dork you are. Oh, okay. Fix it. You want to do it? Can I

03:17:26.880 see it again? What if he, what if he, wait, question for you. I mean, no, but I want to

03:17:30.520 see it again. Question though. He is the roughest ever. Like he'll put me up, but he's just so

03:17:38.680 weak. He can't leave a bruise. Damn. But he's trying. Okay. Then he's not the roughest.

03:17:46.460 I don't know. He's the roughest. Uh, do you have it? Okay. Wow. What the, would you, would

03:17:55.100 you date the male version of you? No. So bad. You wouldn't, you wouldn't do it? No, I wouldn't

03:18:00.300 do it. If you had to pick between one of them. He looks like he's on something on this.

03:18:04.560 Looks like he kind of looks like he was like full on crackhead. He looks like a

03:18:08.460 Titan from attack on Titan. That's so bad. Looks like he just glides up to you. You're

03:18:13.460 like, how did you get here so quickly? On wheelies. Sneaks up on you a bit. All right.

03:18:20.660 Next. Oh, we did it. Leave it here for a sec. He looks like the guy from my Carly. Who's

03:18:27.500 the guy in my Carly? Why'd you look at me? I have no idea. I wonder. He looks like Freddy.

03:18:33.100 I wonder if what we have to do for these, cause it, it keeps the same jaw structure

03:18:37.520 typically is we have to masculinize the face a little bit on these. So it's kind

03:18:43.600 of a lighter jaw. So it's a little more fair because if you just take a woman's like facial 1.00

03:18:49.700 structure and you just, I don't know, I need, maybe it needs more masculinizing it. No,

03:18:54.800 whatever that word is. Okay. Next. Wow. You know, I just lost some of your head. Your whole skull's

03:19:04.780 gone. Would you date the male version of you? He's really smart though. Don't worry. I don't 0.64

03:19:10.620 know, but he looks like he'd be like my door dasher. Yeah. Wow. That was racist. No, that's

03:19:18.380 not racist. Honestly. Why? Does he look a little Mexican? Is that, are you trying to

03:19:24.520 say that? I am Mexican. I know. So he does look like a door dasher. But your implication

03:19:29.060 seems a little racist. I don't even know what to say to that. But why did you immediately

03:19:33.700 go to Mexican? Huh? Why did you? Yeah. Why did you? Why did you? Why did you go to 1.00

03:19:38.940 Mexican? Why did you go to Mexican? Am I the, am I the, am I the, are all Mexicans working 1.00

03:19:43.380 door dasher? Why would you assume it's a door dasher who's Mexican? No, literally. I just 0.76

03:19:46.500 said door dasher. You out of the Mexican. Yeah. I mean, honestly, yeah, I did just say door 1.00

03:19:51.200 dasher. So explain your psyche. Yeah. I would love to know. Well, it just seems kind of like

03:19:56.620 you see a brown person and you just, I am a brown person. I know. I know, but you, that's 1.00

03:20:02.820 crazy. Yeah. He's on the defensive. No, he's asking why you generalized a Mexican. I probably,

03:20:08.480 that was probably a little racist on my part. She said door dasher. She didn't say Mexican.

03:20:11.300 What? Do you think most door dashers are Mexicans or any? It's an accidental racism. No, just most

03:20:17.860 of them in LA have a beard and have like slicked back hair. Doesn't necessarily mean that it's

03:20:22.600 because they're Mexican. And if it did, I am Mexican. I'm half Mexican. So it's like,

03:20:26.880 okay. All right. So you guessed, you guessed right, but like you guessed right that I was

03:20:32.560 Mexican. So it does look like a door dasher. Uh, yeah. It looks like somebody I'd see like 1.00

03:20:37.180 door dashing, but he seems like a nice guy. He does seem like a really nice guy. I don't

03:20:42.460 know. I just don't know if I would. All right. Next. Wait, we missed. Honestly, he looks

03:20:51.440 really good. I don't trust that woman though. That's a succubus. That's like, 1.00

03:20:55.980 why is it? That's crazy. She looks really good. That is wild. Honestly. Yeah. I think

03:21:03.520 that was probably the best one. Janina. Very handsome woman there. Get ready for Janina. 0.97

03:21:08.820 Jemima. Okay. Maybe we're waiting. We're waiting. We need the, we definitely need the gender swap 1.00

03:21:15.580 for the time being though. Let's do the rest. Give us, oops. Oh, shit. Here we go. Wait.

03:21:21.280 F-L-F in it. I look like my dad a little bit. What the frick? That looks like the most believable

03:21:26.380 though. You look like, you kind of look like Jim from American Pie a little bit. I don't

03:21:31.380 know who that is. Just a teeny bit. I don't know. All right. Would you date him? No. No? He looks

03:21:37.540 Italian. Latino. What if he was like, oh my God, your singing career is so important.

03:21:46.460 I'd be like, thank you. That's so sweet of you. That's so sweet of you. What if he said

03:21:49.980 that shit? No, thank you. No? I said that was so sweet of you. What if he was an old school 1.00

03:21:57.060 traditional guy? And he, he looked as like that and he was like, really, he wanted to

03:22:04.080 marry you and have kids, but he was like, oh my God, I'm so happy for your singing career.

03:22:11.880 And he said it just like that too. What if he's like, your voice is the world. Your voice

03:22:16.360 is my world. Would you then marry him? What? So tough. Wait, can you, um, here.

03:22:27.060 Think of a male celebrity that you're like, that's my level. What do you mean? That's

03:22:32.460 my level. Yeah. You know, like Jake Gyllenhaal or a celebrity crush or a celebrity like Leonardo

03:22:38.840 DiCaprio. He's Italian. So can you say it again? The question like celebrity crush or something

03:22:44.660 I would want that you feel would be like, uh, the same caliber as me or same league celebrity

03:22:51.440 like looks wise. It doesn't have to. Uh, I I'm horrible with names. Vin Diesel. That's

03:23:01.720 who you're thinking of. Vin Diesel. Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby. I'm good. Bill Cosby. Wait, is this

03:23:08.980 hypothetical? She's already, she's already made it. She's already doing it. And then I think

03:23:13.320 it was a question for me, not for you too. She's famous. No, I, no, it's just right now,

03:23:18.180 right now. Well, you need a little more guidance in answering questions. Typically. Thank you.

03:23:24.200 Yeah. We're helping you out here. A lot of help. Um, again, I, off the top of my head. I don't

03:23:32.280 know. Sorry. Go ahead. I answered it. Oh, off the top of your head. Yeah. I don't, I'm horrible

03:23:39.580 with the names. Maybe I can think of some Brad Pitt when he was younger. I think he

03:23:47.480 still looks good now. No, he's still a good looking guy. Oh, she would if she got Brad

03:23:51.140 Pitt now. Count your blessings. Very Italian looking though. Um, I pull up a picture. Little 1.00

03:23:56.800 girly. Danny DeVito. Italian. Danny DeVito. Pull up a picture. I don't know who that is. You

03:24:01.100 don't have Danny DeVito? I'm Latina. P. Diddy. What the fuck? Uh, Lil Wayne. No. Cristiano

03:24:08.240 Ronaldo. Is he Italian? I think that's her type. It's not Portuguese, but that's, that's 0.98

03:24:14.080 it. But I say like at the league, he looks like so perfect, like, like the Squidward

03:24:18.300 perfect. Like that's not. Too much? Yeah. That's too much. Too pretty. You're more of

03:24:21.800 a messy girl? Yeah. I would say so. Yeah. Well, do you, but when I say messy, like more 0.98

03:24:27.520 not, not, not messy. Disheveled man. Not perfect. No. Messy. A little messy. Oh, messy. Um,

03:24:35.460 sure. Actually, yes. That's a great, I would say messy. He's like, he's like four 11. No

03:24:39.680 shot. I think he pretty much is. No shot. Is he teeny? He's a tiny man. He's a tiny

03:24:44.680 little guy. I, he's a shorter guy, I think, but he makes up for it with his left. Yeah.

03:24:50.540 The cook, the kick. His exceptional, uh, that thing. Okay. All right. Do we have the rest?

03:24:56.460 Yeah. All right. Let's pull them up. There's Jim Bob next. Oh, wow. You became

03:25:05.440 mild. Wait, you became mixed race. I became, I became a total crack. Like a, like a, like 1.00

03:25:12.080 a meth head. Would you guys date them? No, I would get away from her. She looks like a 1.00

03:25:18.280 meth head. Run. Next. Run. Oh, what the fuck? That's the worst one of you, Felicity, I've 1.00

03:25:28.020 ever seen. That's some like murder status. Yeah. That guy's, that guy's very, we lost

03:25:35.040 it. We don't know where the good one is. It's like, where were you? Next. Where were

03:25:38.640 you? Okay. Make it bigger. I look like Marilyn Manson on the far right. The left one's really

03:25:48.480 cute though. She's super cute. Honestly. I look bad. No, you look really good. You date

03:25:53.000 women. So I mean, would you smash? I would. Yeah. Okay. Nice. There you go. The left 1.00

03:25:57.760 one. I feel so good now. Oh, I was saying Brian's gender bent version. No, I know the 0.98

03:26:02.660 left version. The nice one. The van soccer mom or the, the one that's a little, maybe didn't

03:26:09.720 make that many good choices. I would agree. She's a van soccer mom who probably at one 1.00

03:26:14.280 point was goth. Very girl next door. I like that. I, I agree with your assessment. Okay.

03:26:23.620 So, uh, going back to you, Charlie, your show notes here, uh, you wrote body counts and how

03:26:30.080 men are praised for high ones and women are shamed for high ones. Um, I mean, so you think

03:26:35.880 it's like a double standard kind of, I do. I see that as a double. I personally don't think

03:26:40.540 I have a high body count if you want me to be completely honest with you, but, um, what

03:26:45.200 is that? Like, like, okay. But what counts, I guess is like, are we talking like sex, like

03:26:51.100 sex, or are we talking about like any sexual interaction I've ever had? Uh, P in the V 1.00

03:26:56.280 or V on V. Okay. Um, like 13 in my entire life, 13, 13 guys. Cause you, what'd you say?

03:27:06.300 You're bi. So are you breaking it down by gender? I think, I think six women, like maybe

03:27:12.940 seven guys. I think that, yeah. What is the threshold for two women having sex? Is it 0.97

03:27:19.000 scissoring? Is that the threshold or is it oral sex? I don't know what the threshold would 1.00

03:27:24.460 be. Sex close off. What is, what is sex between two women? Someone coming, but you could come 0.99

03:27:32.180 like through oral sex, right? Or like, I think I was thinking more like when I answered that 1.00

03:27:36.880 question, I was thinking more of the guys, I guess. Um, cause like, I don't know, sometimes

03:27:42.420 in the past I'd make out with a guy and like, that's it. And I'd leave it at that. I don't

03:27:47.540 know. But, but what, yeah. What does constitute? Okay. Long story short. I'm genuinely curious.

03:27:55.380 I think an orgasm. Yeah. And that can be oral. That can be fingers. That can be scissoring. 0.94

03:28:01.740 That could be anything. Wait, the question. If the, what if, is it, wait, hold on. Do both,

03:28:07.020 have both people then had sex if only like one person is fingering the other woman? So 0.96

03:28:16.360 like only she comes and only she's been fingered. Well, that's not normally the case. Usually

03:28:22.300 both of them come in this case. Right. But I'm just exploring it, I guess. So I, I, yeah,

03:28:27.060 sure. You could both be like mutual masturbation. Well, I guess my long story short is that I've 0.99

03:28:32.600 noticed that a lot of men that, you know, like in their male spaces, you know, when it comes 0.89

03:28:37.300 to like, quote unquote, like, you know, locker room talk, they'll like high five each other

03:28:41.260 and be like, yo, you know, you've took high body count. I've had sex with like 20 girls, 0.89

03:28:46.860 30 girls. It's like different, but then like women seem to be like shamed for their high 1.00

03:28:52.400 body counts. I think I was watching, um, something that made me think of this though, is that I was

03:28:57.080 watching an old episode of whatever. And there was this one guy, he said something along the

03:29:02.240 lines of, um, he's a born again Christian. His body count was about 25 to 30 born again Christian.

03:29:09.100 And then asked if he would be with a woman who's a born again Christian and her body count

03:29:13.640 was about the same. And he was basically no was long story short. No. Sure. And so that,

03:29:18.180 that makes me think that like, wow. So if he's born again and deserves, it is, is, I'm not religious,

03:29:23.660 but if he's born again by his metrics and he's getting a second chance that now he can live this

03:29:28.940 life, why couldn't she, I guess is what I'm saying is like, and genuinely, genuinely like both of them,

03:29:34.840 you know? And so that's kind of like, why is she permanently spoiled? And then he changes his ways

03:29:40.220 and he's like reborn again, so to speak. Sure. I'll, I mean, I can answer this a couple of

03:29:44.180 different ways. I would say, first off, uh, you have people's individual preferences. So,

03:29:50.440 but when it comes to, um, when it comes to like a woman who's previously promiscuous or whatever, 0.94

03:29:58.140 even a Christian man who he himself was previously promiscuous, uh, former promiscuous people can be

03:30:05.400 saved by Christ, uh, Christian men do not need to then disregard the accompanying baggage that might 0.53

03:30:12.960 come with somebody's past, even if they've been saved by Christ. I think these are two,

03:30:16.900 these are completely compatible. Granted, I'm not, I'm not really, I'm not taking that position in

03:30:23.760 terms, like I'm not Christian. No, I know. Um, but I'm just saying my understanding is like,

03:30:28.580 just because you're a Christian man, that does not mean you're like, you're compelled to date 0.98

03:30:33.400 somebody who's like a former prostitute. I can agree with that. There's another element though, 0.99

03:30:37.580 too, is that women are the gatekeepers of sex and men aren't. So because they're the gatekeepers of 1.00

03:30:43.460 sex, the value placed on, uh, when they open the gates is, is, is seen as more valuable than when

03:30:52.380 women, than men open the gates. For instance, it's really easy for women to just go out and have sex 1.00

03:30:56.500 with someone. Uh, it's harder for men to, to get that right. Um, so the women get to decide like, 1.00

03:31:02.620 oh, I'll sleep with you. I'll sleep with you. So, so in a sense, like, it's almost like that's your,

03:31:07.040 that's a woman's leverage and it points to, wow, if that's your leverage, I would argue that's a 1.00

03:31:13.220 really good reason to preserve it and to use that leverage appropriately. And I think the best way to

03:31:20.300 use it appropriately is to reserve your virtue as hard as it might be today. Um, in exchange for a

03:31:28.200 man that deserves it. And I think that's a good bent, that's a good, uh, it's basically like a

03:31:32.860 cost analysis in a sense. Whereas the man, if he's promiscuous, the woman is not judging that as

03:31:40.080 the virtue. They're, they're judging their ability to lead their, maybe even their aggression, their,

03:31:45.900 uh, their ability to provide and protect. And in a weird way, I don't, I don't condone promiscuity

03:31:51.520 with men, but in a, in an interesting way, their promiscuity might even be aligned with their male

03:31:58.220 aggression in pursuit. It might actually be seen as like an attraction in some weird way,

03:32:03.360 whereas it's not flipped the same way with women to say it's unfair. I actually don't think it's

03:32:09.200 unfair. I think it's completely consistent with the nature of men and the nature of women. 0.96

03:32:14.300 The thing, the way you're describing it though, where it's like, oh, men can be given this little

03:32:18.880 bit of leeway. That's kind of, you're explaining literally a double standard. Like it is, it's not

03:32:24.240 the same standard. It's a double standard would assume that it should be an equal standard, but

03:32:29.640 I'm saying it's a double standard that women are the gatekeepers of sex. So like that's not an equal 1.00

03:32:35.900 standard with men either. Right. Going back to what I was trying to say is that it's kind of like sort

03:32:40.620 of a double standard. Um, being in like the military and stuff I've, I've heard in like, obviously like

03:32:45.320 men, they say crazy things in the military. I mean, everyone has thick skin, but you've,

03:32:50.000 I've always heard the old adage when you see like guys talking in the military, they say like, oh,

03:32:54.480 you know, a key that can pick open many locks is like a really good key, but a lock that opens the

03:32:59.660 many keys is a really shitty lock. But I would like to flip that back and say, well, if a toothbrush

03:33:05.000 washes many mouths, isn't that a shitty fucking toothbrush? Yeah. I actually agree with you. 1.00

03:33:09.240 There's a bunch of analogies that you could point towards men. Like I've heard the pencil sharpener one,

03:33:13.020 for example, like, uh, like, oh, how does the pencil sharpener one go? Um, a, a really good pencil

03:33:22.100 sharpener can sharpen many pencils, but like a pencil that is fuck, how does it go? That goes 0.99

03:33:29.660 the same idea. I don't know. Just whatever the reverse. Like, so I don't think that analogy is

03:33:34.220 like the, the keen lock analogy. I, I mean, it, it's helpful in a way, but like women can, uh, people who 0.92

03:33:40.020 are debating against that position can just like forward analogies that are like, oh, okay. Men

03:33:45.320 who are promiscuous, like they're, well, I guess I'm talking more, I'm referencing more like the

03:33:49.860 average everyday Joe, like you, you seem to have more sound reasoning. Like you're able to actually

03:33:54.940 explain these things and I'm like actually listening and I'm able to actually take away things that

03:33:59.240 you're saying, but a lot of men, it just ends there. Like, that's it. Like, it's just a guy you can

03:34:04.140 sleep with a lot of girls. Like they don't know why. Yeah. They don't know why. It's just, just the

03:34:07.060 way it is that a lot, that a guy can sleep with a lot of women and he's like a champion, like bro,

03:34:11.500 you got, you got game. But a woman who sleeps with a bunch of men is just a slut. I'd like to answer 1.00

03:34:15.660 that in a couple of ways. So to the, to the, I think the point that you just made as to the optics

03:34:20.340 of it and how it's viewed. So, I mean, it's, it's actually just factually true that in order for a

03:34:25.220 man to be able to sleep with a bunch of women that actually takes some degree of skill. Uh, any, 1.00

03:34:30.180 any woman, and we can prove this, any woman, if she was so inclined could be a slut, could be a 1.00

03:34:35.660 massive slut, could fuck three new guys a day. Any woman has that ability. Of course, most women 1.00

03:34:41.620 absolutely don't want to do that at all. But any single woman, if she was so inclined without really 0.99

03:34:47.880 having to do anything, could just fuck three guys, just go on a dating app. I really can't make that 0.99

03:34:52.680 same claim towards men. Like even if a guy wanted desperately to be a slut and fuck three different 1.00

03:34:58.040 women a day. Unless they were like super high status. If he, if it was like a top tier, really 1.00

03:35:03.800 top tier guy, they can make, even then it's like a Q Heppner sort of like you're going to have to be

03:35:12.020 like really, really, really, really good looking or have some sort of status musician, uh, athlete

03:35:17.220 actor, for example, most, for example, an average woman though, if we compare like for like an average 0.99

03:35:22.960 woman could fuck 10 guys in a day, easy. If she wants, I mean, I don't know if it would be easy, 1.00

03:35:30.280 but she could do it right. An average guy cannot fuck 10 women in a day. I mean, he's lucky to get 1.00

03:35:35.920 like, that's kind of like a blanket statement though, because I do disagree because you think

03:35:41.140 generally, generally speaking, there's maybe like certain outliers there, but generally speaking,

03:35:46.120 you think like average guys have access to hookup culture the same way that average women.

03:35:50.220 Oh no, no, no, no. I do agree with you. I do agree with you there. I'm just saying that like,

03:35:54.600 if a man does prepare just a little bit, I've seen men have rosters where they can fuck like 1.00

03:35:59.960 three girls in one day. Like I, three, like three is a number I threw out. I'm just saying I'm not 0.98

03:36:04.460 disputing that there are men who have rosters and maybe they're not like 10 out of 10 supermodels.

03:36:09.160 But, um, generally speaking, I think if we look, if we just pull the average guy, like for example,

03:36:14.540 if you had to bet your life on like, okay, you're going to send out either an average woman or an 1.00

03:36:19.500 average man onto the street and your life depends on it. And they have to like, try to fuck 1.00

03:36:23.500 three different people that day. Who are you going to like pick to save your life? 0.99

03:36:27.720 No, you know, and I'll, I'll back pet on, I'll say that I do agree with you. You're right. It is

03:36:32.080 easier as a woman to get a, um, a hookup more than like if a guy was out to go out to do the same 0.74

03:36:37.520 thing. I've seen this a lot. Cause you know, I have a lot of friends in different places, military

03:36:41.900 people, EMT people, acting community. Like I just have a lot of friends. I'm specifically thinking

03:36:46.520 of a couple who decided to open up their marriage and the guy made a hinge or whatever. And he made

03:36:52.680 a bumble and she made a hinge and she made a bumble and they're both very average looking people.

03:36:57.600 And she was getting a lot of clicks. She was getting a lot of swipes. She was getting a lot

03:37:01.240 of interactions and he was getting none. And so I guess my point is, is that, and it was his idea to

03:37:06.860 open up the marriage. Wait, so wouldn't this be further proof of our position? No, I'm agreeing. I'm

03:37:11.580 saying yes. Like, yes, I do agree. I agree. Yes. Because I've seen this actually happen in real

03:37:16.820 life. So I'm saying, yes, I agree. And this is why. And like, she's actually like, and then he

03:37:22.560 wanted to close the marriage back and it's kind of like a Pandora's box where you're like, you open

03:37:26.540 it and it can't be closed again because now she's realizing that she actually has a lot of leverage

03:37:31.420 and he doesn't. Did she smash a bunch of dudes or? To be honest, no, she didn't. She did let them close

03:37:38.660 back the marriage and they were done. And like, that was it. Like they never. Are they still

03:37:41.520 together? They are actually. Okay. But when it comes to the double standard, I think the other

03:37:45.700 thing I just wanted to bring up is, is that even, so there's a component of like, okay, it's easier

03:37:53.260 for women to get laid. So that's why like there's some degree of skill involved when it comes to, 1.00

03:37:59.400 you know, men being able to procure sex. I think the other thing though is women's own preferences 0.98

03:38:05.460 when it comes to like, women are a little more lenient when it comes to promiscuity and men 1.00

03:38:09.760 insofar as if a man has a high body count, uh, but he's otherwise going to be a good partner.

03:38:14.400 Like men are going to overlook that a little more than I think, uh, or excuse me, women are going to 0.99

03:38:19.340 overlook that more than men are. Uh, men seem to weigh promiscuity or past promiscuity or body count 0.73

03:38:26.020 more than women. So for example, um, uh, what's, what's an example I could give?

03:38:34.080 Let's say, let's say you have a, uh, a 35 year old successful, uh, man who's slept with 30 women.

03:38:44.940 Well, then this gets into age. So I don't know if this is a perfect example, but like a 35 year old

03:38:49.300 woman is going to look at him and be like, okay, that's fine. You have, then you have a 35 year old 1.00

03:38:53.880 guy who's looking at a 35 year old woman who's great at whatever, whatever, but she has a body 1.00

03:38:57.800 count of 30. Uh, he's typically, well, then this gets into like other components here. So I don't

03:39:03.920 think this is a fair example, but, uh, most guys are going to pick like the younger, more attractive

03:39:09.720 woman who has a lower body count than the older, more successful woman has a higher body count. 1.00

03:39:14.740 While that's true, like you're absolutely right that I've seen this happen time and time again to

03:39:19.460 where I can say, this is anecdotally true. I will say that there's, um, a caveat as to why men pick

03:39:26.480 younger women. And I would say that men, a lot of men pick younger women because there are a lot more

03:39:30.580 in their eyes, pliable, able to be molded into the perfect woman that they want. And they play these

03:39:36.160 manipulation games that a lot of women, their own age would see right through. I've done it before. 0.99

03:39:41.800 Well, I'll say that like there've been times where like I was like 22 and I'd be dating a guy that's

03:39:46.660 like 35 and I've matured a lot in those last few years. And now I'm 25, you know, as much as someone

03:39:52.720 can mature in those three years, um, in the lines of work that I've done to where nowadays I see right

03:39:58.680 through it. But when I was 22, I did it. And then I think, imagine if I was 35 and I saw this 35 year

03:40:03.940 old man, you know, doing his thing, I would see right through it. So I guess that's just what I'm

03:40:08.420 there's also just like, just the physicality, like fertility youth, obviously, um, that would play

03:40:14.880 into why men gravitate toward youthful. Wait, I mean, I have a question though, just to address

03:40:20.700 your specific point of you were saying, okay, men go for younger women because they're more pliable.

03:40:24.680 Uh, so essentially you're saying they're more agreeable. Uh, not necessarily. Yeah. Yes. And like,

03:40:32.440 generally speaking, men prefer more agreeable women. I think anybody would choose a more agreeable 0.82

03:40:40.180 partner. Like if the, like, I'm not going to pick a guy who's a stick in the mud. I'm not going to 0.95

03:40:45.000 pick, I mean, I'm bisexual, so I'm not going to pick a girl or a guy who's a stick in the mud.

03:40:48.860 Are you just trying to argue though? Like, Oh, men are manipulative and they're trying to take 0.84

03:40:52.780 advantage. No, not at all. I've dated like really good men who are genuinely really high quality men.

03:40:57.860 And for some reason or another, it didn't work out. Not at all. I'm not like a man hater or like

03:41:02.520 a misandrist at all. What do you think that in some cases it's actually the best thing for a man

03:41:08.400 to form a malleable per a woman into a better woman? I think a man shouldn't only specifically

03:41:18.860 go for younger women. If his reason is to form her and shape her, he should probably like see a 1.00

03:41:25.620 woman maybe like, I mean, people have their preferences. Honestly, people have their 0.99

03:41:29.780 preferences, but I'm saying that I think if you're only pursuing younger women because they're more

03:41:34.880 malleable, they're pliable, they're, they can be molded like clay into the perfect woman for you. 1.00

03:41:40.060 I think that's a little manipulative.

03:41:42.320 But would you say that that's like the primary reason men date younger women?

03:41:45.940 Yeah. I mean, no, no, no, no, no. There's sometimes there's just that connection. Like,

03:41:50.480 I mean, there've been times where I dated older men and there's connections right there. Like

03:41:54.260 I can tell it's not because I'm a younger woman that he wants to like date me.

03:41:58.640 They're just hot. They're just hot. That's it. I mean, he's not, it's not some like manipulation.

03:42:05.040 And then there could be a counter argument here. Like, so I think for example, um, if I wanted to

03:42:10.600 get something out of a woman, uh, I could probably pretty easily manipulate a woman who's like 35 and 1.00

03:42:16.220 doesn't have kids. And she's like, really, really, really like, she's like, okay, here's my last go to

03:42:20.560 get a relationship. I could just say, well, I could really easily manipulate this like woman who's 1.00

03:42:25.000 like really, really, really desperate for a relationship. Whereas like an 18 year old woman 0.99

03:42:28.880 or 19, 20, 21 year old woman, who's like exceptionally attractive. And she has like 1.00

03:42:33.160 a plethora of options that she probably won't have when she's 35. Uh, cause I think optionality

03:42:38.840 tends to give you like, you're, you're much more, uh, what's the correct word? When you have a bunch

03:42:44.780 of options, you're much more, I think you're more discerning when it comes to which option you're

03:42:48.940 going to pick. So, and also I think, um, as a guy for you to get with a younger woman, you gotta, 0.58

03:42:54.100 you gotta bring quite a bit more to the table, I think. But, uh, in any case, I think a woman 1.00

03:43:01.220 who's like 35 and doesn't have kids and it's like, fuck, I need to have kids. She's a mark 1.00

03:43:06.280 for manipulation. I will say, I agree with you. Absolutely. 1000% on that. Because again,

03:43:10.860 I have real life examples in my life. Um, I used to be roommates with a woman. She's amazing 1.00

03:43:15.520 by the way, but she's super liberal, LGBTQ pro activist. Like she's a really, and she's a really

03:43:22.840 kind human being. Um, and she's currently dating a guy who, um, he kind of sprung it up

03:43:32.080 on her, but like he presented himself as like a politically moderate human. And then maybe

03:43:36.380 three months in, he's like, I'm a Trump supporter. And honestly, the guy's hot. He's, he's a hot

03:43:41.840 guy. Um, but it's kind of like, she's kind of like, well, I'm 37 and I feel like I have to

03:43:48.740 settle. Like, so I'm saying that I agree with you. I've seen it happen. So where it's like

03:43:53.840 her morals is like, I'm a super liberal woman, but because I'm aging, I'm going to probably settle

03:44:00.420 with someone whose ideas and whose values don't necessarily coincide with mine, which if you ask

03:44:04.980 me, that's a recipe for disaster, but I'm not going to judge her. Yeah. And just final thing on the

03:44:08.340 point I was just making now about like how younger women have far more optionality. I also think just

03:44:13.260 because of like life stage, at least if it's a more like modern, like woman who's not, you know, 0.99

03:44:19.240 there's like traditional women who are like 20 or like really pressed to get married and start a 1.00

03:44:23.140 family young. Although I'd say the majority of young women today aren't operating in that paradigm 0.99

03:44:29.020 and that dynamic. So like a young woman who's not really pressed to like start a family or have kids

03:44:34.900 and she's got a bunch of optionality. She's got a bunch of men, her own age who want to sleep with 1.00

03:44:39.380 her. She's got a bunch of men who are older, who were like want to take her on trips and do

03:44:43.240 all this stuff. I actually think she's far harder to lock down than like the 35 year old woman whose 1.00

03:44:49.540 optionality is dwindling and she's like pressed to have a family and kids. So when it comes to

03:44:54.720 manipulation, I just make the argument that she's actually easier to manipulate because like if I'm 1.00

03:45:00.320 starting, if I'm doing some bullshit with a 20 year old, who's got like every dude wants to fuck her 1.00

03:45:04.880 and she's really good looking and she's not like super pressed to be in like some super serious 1.00

03:45:08.880 long-term relationship. Yeah. She can just dump me and move on with it and not really give a fuck. 1.00

03:45:14.680 I want to just add something interesting there is that the, your roommate situation is that 0.98

03:45:19.020 there is something she saw as a future and she had to make a choice, kind of a binary

03:45:26.140 one way or the other. Now I guess the question is if a woman is looking to settle down and 1.00

03:45:35.160 ultimately they're looking for stability. Um, how many times do you think they would choose the

03:45:41.220 conservative traditional man over the liberal man? It, for me, it depends. Um, I've met a lot

03:45:49.100 of conservative men who are politically conservative, but they could not any be any farther from being

03:45:54.780 traditional. You know what I mean? I've seen, I've seen that before. Um, so if you're talking like

03:46:00.040 the textbook, like traditional hold open the door, like does all that. Well, let me, let

03:46:05.980 me ask you a question. What does the cookie cutter liberal man look like to you? So I can

03:46:11.460 choose between the two. Uh, it's not. Yeah. You mean as far as like their, I know what a

03:46:15.960 cookie cutter conservative man looks like to me. Well, I would say like more men today are

03:46:20.840 a little more androgynous, a little like weak, like you were explaining, like you're dating,

03:46:26.660 like, you're like, what are you? Like, what is this? Like in their princess. Yeah. And they're

03:46:30.360 also like, sort of like faux LARPing feminists where they're just like, you know, everything's 1.00

03:46:35.200 Oh, you, whatever you want. And there's no real leadership there because they're so afraid

03:46:39.820 of like violating the feminist doctrine or whatever. I think that kind of liberal mindset 1.00

03:46:46.780 is really open. And let's, let's call it broad broadness versus narrowness. That's the

03:46:52.100 best way I can put it. If you find a man is liberal, he's open, he's broad, he's

03:46:56.480 open to things. It could go anyway. Uh, a tradition, a traditional man, even the fake LARPing conservative

03:47:02.460 you're talking about, there's many of them. They're still going to advocate for something

03:47:06.300 a little more narrow. And, uh, I think the thing we're pointing at is that when it comes

03:47:10.680 down to it, when the woman wakes up and she realizes there's a future and she has to choose,

03:47:15.800 she's going to choose the future that's downstream from a tradition rather than downstream from what? 0.98

03:47:22.160 A hundred year old enlightenment shit show, right? Like liberalism. It's like, it's not paying 0.99

03:47:28.400 off for the women like at all. Like the whole entire structure is like collapsing and they're 1.00

03:47:33.560 realizing a little too late. Many of them that, um, Oh shit, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta latch onto 0.98

03:47:41.060 something now. And, and, uh, unfortunately a lot of them, it is too late because the man that they're 0.98

03:47:47.100 actually looking for is already married. Why? Cause the woman they're looking for was younger and

03:47:51.840 willing and understood that they have to be, they're going to be mothers in this situation.

03:47:57.520 So they have to, like Jay said, you have to start being a traditionalist. You have to start

03:48:02.120 examining these things earlier than men have to. Is that a double standard? No, it's just the

03:48:07.760 difference between men. Men have a longer time to find the traditional woman. Women have less time 1.00

03:48:13.200 to find the traditional man. But that's all like made up. Like those are all made up rules. No,

03:48:18.680 it's not. You can find somebody. I've seen people who have not, I've seen personally, but you've hear

03:48:24.060 of people who have these marriages and their spouse dies, unfortunately. And then later on in life,

03:48:30.660 like at 67, they find someone else and they find love. Like they find love with that other person.

03:48:35.700 That's not what's in question. Like one instance where like spouses die and they have to find it,

03:48:41.140 you know, you're going to find another partner for the rest of your life. We're talking about

03:48:44.300 these key moments for women specifically in their years of fertility, high fertility, uh, between 20,

03:48:52.160 35, maybe 40. And they have, they really do that ticking. That clock is real. That's a real thing.

03:48:59.460 And the person that wants to act on that clock, the man, he's going to be more lean toward a 0.56

03:49:06.320 traditional Christian view. And he's going to be looking for women who are more committed early

03:49:11.060 on to the future they're living into, not, uh, as some sort of last minute, um, desperate cling to a

03:49:20.420 floaty device. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, like when we were asking her, it's a Jay asked her,

03:49:25.580 Oh, okay. So you're going to finally find the traditional man. And then, then you're going

03:49:29.400 to be a traditionalist like at like 45 when like, you know, let's say nothing works out.

03:49:34.540 I'm not saying it will, but it's like, if it didn't work out your whole career and you started

03:49:39.360 to realize that like 40 that you're like, Oh wait, maybe I should, maybe I should pursue being a

03:49:44.280 mother. You'll start to think, Oh, well maybe that wouldn't happen. Well, I'm just saying that

03:49:49.460 happens all the time. What do you mean? What would not happen? I don't think at 40,

03:49:54.160 I would start to have a revelation of like, wait, I should, I should have been a mom. No,

03:49:59.560 you don't think that happens. No, I have. Wait, are you saying for me? Not for me. Are you saying,

03:50:04.120 you, you know, with certainty you will have family and children. If I'm at my prime right now for

03:50:10.800 fertility, well, you're not, but okay. Well, at least then 10 years. Yes. Thank you. Why would I at 40

03:50:19.200 want to suddenly change my life and have a kid? I think that's silly. It's Oh, I thought you're 0.89

03:50:25.040 coming at it from the angle of, I will definitely have kids by then. So it's not even a concern.

03:50:30.440 No, I thought that's what you meant. No, no, no, no. I was just saying, no, I wouldn't have kids.

03:50:34.640 I need to let the chat come through. Clover 98 donated $200. Shut up gingerly in seat five.

03:50:43.100 What is gingerly? The tweaker in seat three and the rest of the panel want to chat as well. 0.97

03:50:47.260 Yo, Clover, thank you for the TTS. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. The tweaker in seat three,

03:50:51.600 do you want to respond to the tweaker allegations? What is gingerly? Was he maybe? Have you ever tweaked?

03:50:56.580 No, I'm hoping. No tweaking? No tweaking. Okay. All right. Zero tweaking. I'm hoping he's saying

03:51:01.140 it because of the gender swap thing. That's what I'm, my fingers are crossed. That's what it's 1.00

03:51:06.920 about. We have just a baker. We have Jake burnt Jay. We need you to start more shit. Speak up. We

03:51:11.660 need the fire you bring to make this interesting. Also stay on the come up from Ruslan to whatever

03:51:16.780 to Joe Rogan. Next ICXC continue spreading the Christ W. Thank you, Jake. Appreciate your message

03:51:24.020 there to, uh, to Jay. Oh, by the way, guys, I've lowered the TTS. We're doing a 69, $69 TTS.

03:51:30.840 If you guys want to get a message in now that it's lowered a little bit, I'm going to continue

03:51:35.380 on with the show notes here. Uh, let's see, Charlie, you also, you also wrote, um, yeah,

03:51:42.620 we already talked about the double standard thing. You want to talk about men's mental health 0.55

03:51:46.520 and the unaliving rate being a result of the rules men have put in place.

03:51:52.640 Yeah. Um, obviously with like my military service, I've seen people and you also hear things obviously

03:51:59.100 because we have the internet is that I've seen people in my life that I knew personally take

03:52:03.600 their own lives. And there were a lot of moments where not just me, but other, you know, other

03:52:09.400 soldiers would be like, Hey, is everything okay? And he'd kind of just be clammed up and be like,

03:52:14.180 yeah, everything's fine, but you could tell things weren't okay. And honestly, when I got

03:52:17.860 the email, like the mass email for our battalion that, Hey, he passed away before I, I knew

03:52:24.440 because the subject line was like, like unaliving basically. I honestly thought of him immediately.

03:52:30.660 Okay. And it goes to my, I get it. Somebody on the live. Yeah. And so can we get to the actual

03:52:35.400 content of the conversation here? You said it's the result of rules men have. So let's discuss

03:52:41.760 that. So I, so men's fault, suicide. Oh shit. Not necessarily like men's fault. Unaliving.

03:52:48.560 Not necessarily like any, any men that are alive right now. Cause these rules were made

03:52:53.320 before any men that are alive on this earth are, are, um, alive obviously. But I was saying

03:52:58.400 that you said being a result of the rules men have put in place. A lot of traditional men

03:53:05.180 think like, be a man, like, you know, suffer in silence. Like, you know, don't like Stonewall, 0.77

03:53:10.660 like don't communicate your feelings. Like, you know, don't cry, things like that. And

03:53:15.500 well, I have a question for you though. So if the unalive, the, the incidence rate of unaliving

03:53:20.100 has gone up, do you think, uh, masculinity has also like gone up too, or have we seen men become

03:53:27.860 more feminine in the past, like 50, 60 years? We've seen a lot more men that are okay with

03:53:33.000 being feminine. Right. But so like, but that's not correlation. Femininity rates of femininity

03:53:38.000 in men increasing, but, uh, unaliving rate. Okay. Can you show me what you're pointing?

03:53:45.520 You're saying like, Oh, it's the, it's this, which by the way, uh, the traditional or toxic

03:53:50.940 masculinity that you're referring to has been on the decline. So that which you're pointing

03:53:55.900 to is the cause of the increase in men, men's unaliving rate. It seems like that cause has

03:54:02.740 been on the decrease. No, I definitely see the need for masculinity. Like I'm not saying

03:54:07.240 like, Oh, masculinity is toxic in and of itself. I'm saying there are certain aspects of masculinity

03:54:12.520 in which there is toxicity, like stonewalling, not communicating your feelings, not seeking

03:54:18.820 therapy. These are all masculine things. I work in, I've worked only in masculine roles and

03:54:23.480 I see this time and time again where, and it's a, it's an expectation that men are given

03:54:28.620 from a very young age. And then sometimes like in June, you see like men's mental health

03:54:33.160 month or something like that. And it's like, it's, that seems to be like the only month

03:54:36.760 where men seem to be. Can I ask you a question? If someone unalives themselves and they're a

03:54:41.020 man, do you agree that they're responding or reacting to an emotion? Like what, what do

03:54:49.100 you mean? There's a lot. Are they, are they reacting to like an emotion? I mean, I'm sure

03:54:55.180 that before somebody unalives themselves, there's a lot of, a series of emotions that they go

03:54:59.360 through. Emotions like, I think the world would be better off without me. Nobody would miss

03:55:04.020 me. Like things like that. Like I'm sure there's a series of thoughts and emotions.

03:55:07.080 Speak to, speak to, you said being a result of the rules men have put in place. Yes.

03:55:13.720 Saying the rules are that you're not allowed to talk about your feelings or cry. And she's

03:55:19.600 drawing out some sort of narrative that men being pent up and not crying with their therapists

03:55:26.640 on the couch results in some sort of like, what, like a rubber band effect where it's like

03:55:31.860 builds up and then. Yeah. Like where it builds up and, and, and it, and it continues until

03:55:36.060 to the point where they reach a breaking point. I mean. But how is it the fact that the,

03:55:40.860 like, like Brian said, if masculinity at its peak was before all of this stuff and there

03:55:46.600 was less self deletions, why is there more now with the increase of being emotional and

03:55:51.600 more feminine? Because back then the statistics weren't as accurate as they are right now today

03:55:56.360 in these days, in these times. So you're saying the ability just to track it is the. It's

03:56:01.420 getting better and more accurate. Yes. Cause even, even from the point of time where we

03:56:05.200 started tracking it, it's trending upwards. Currently. Yes. Because I'm just curious. I

03:56:11.460 actually don't know. Is it per capita that it's trending up or is it just like total number?

03:56:14.840 Cause there's also like more people. I'm pretty sure. I think it's the per capita. I actually

03:56:18.700 don't think it's about emotion at all. I think the, I think the strongest link and I can't prove

03:56:24.100 it. I'm just, I'm just speculating here is that men are, uh, because of modernity,

03:56:30.660 because of egalitarianism, uh, men are not expected to, uh, fulfill the duties of men and to be drawn

03:56:41.160 into work, to be drawn into labor, to be drawn into all of these masculine activities even starts

03:56:47.740 early on with, with children, boys, the, the public school system is literally crafted to shut down

03:56:56.340 masculine expression. And so like what Brian's pointing to is pretty true. It's like men are

03:57:02.820 being feminized, if anything. And if you're going to try to draw a correlation between men and self

03:57:08.440 deletion, the trend would show a stronger correlate with demasculating, emasculating men rather than 0.92

03:57:15.700 some sort of toxic masculinity. But then another study would be, would need to be conducted saying

03:57:21.500 that because men are being feminized, suicide rates are going up. You can't just say that one 0.82

03:57:26.660 is because of the other. No, I would. Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't draw that strict, but I think

03:57:31.760 more, it's more likely men are depressed because they're not, um, being used fully in society,

03:57:39.020 that they're not being drawn into their duties and into positions where they're used. Like men respond

03:57:45.040 really well to you dude, go do this, just go, you know, it's like a, it's like we're, we're just like

03:57:50.860 these kind of roaming beasts who just need to be put to work. And I think, um, I would, I would

03:57:56.580 include a variable of technology, which is kind of blameless. Uh, but, uh, removing men from positions

03:58:03.120 where they're constantly active and drawn into some, some type of role, a needed role. I mean,

03:58:10.440 think about you're facing a society as a, as a 25 year old and you're looking for your wife and

03:58:14.940 you're living in a society that literally says women don't need men. Literally the narrative is

03:58:21.120 women don't need men. Could I, if a man is, is ontology is to be needed and wanted. Can you 0.96

03:58:28.320 imagine living in a society where the overall loudspeaker that you hear from, from childhood

03:58:33.620 to now is you're not needed? Uh, can I offer like a, I think like a joining, uh, hypothesis

03:58:40.760 because I really echo a lot of what Jim is saying, but I also understand a fair bit what

03:58:43.880 you're saying. There's really, really interesting studies on emotional expression in kids. So,

03:58:48.300 uh, there's two ways that kids and people tend to express emotions. One is externalizing and one

03:58:53.100 is internalizing. And I'm sure you're not surprised to find out boys tend to externalize more.

03:58:57.440 Girls tend to internalize more. The issue is that the way that we parent an externalizing child. 1.00

03:59:02.240 So if your child gets overwhelmed and stressed, so they start throwing blocks and like kicking 0.95

03:59:07.180 shit, basically, they're way more likely to be punished and sent to their room. Whereas an 0.99

03:59:11.800 internalizing child, it's very easy to comfort or crying. You pick them up. You're like, it's okay,

03:59:15.720 Sophie, go back to your play. And so in many ways, what we do as a society in, in part because of

03:59:21.260 our expectations of what boys are, but also because we very much fear and resent male anger is that we

03:59:27.500 take the boy in the moment where he needs co-regulation and he needs parenting and he needs support.

03:59:31.980 And we tell him, go to your room. Nobody wants to fucking seal it, deal with yourself. And so we 0.98

03:59:36.520 have a whole bunch of boys that I would agree are increasingly being reduced of purposelessness.

03:59:41.060 They've been told that their proclivities, like wanting to do like play violence as bad and having

03:59:47.600 externalizing emotions as bad, but we never actually teach them how to externalize in like a healthy

03:59:52.080 way, which is why most men, if they find things that help their mental health, when they've been

03:59:55.940 having severe issues, it's usually through like fitness and boxing, which is externalizing ways of

04:00:00.600 managing your emotions. And so I think there's kind of a duality where I think when we talk from like a

04:00:04.840 feminist lens, we're like, men just need to express their feelings more. And I'm like, well, even when

04:00:08.360 they do a lots of women don't like it and B we don't like it because they'll externalize a lot of 1.00

04:00:13.300 the time. They'll be sent to their room. They'll be told that they're bad and we don't give them an

04:00:17.060 off ramp. Um, and then on top of that really neutral things about masculinity, like violence and

04:00:23.760 roughhousing and all these sorts of things are also increasingly criminalized. And by criminalized,

04:00:29.680 I mean this in like a, uh, pejorative way, not in like a legal way, obviously. And so I think what

04:00:35.080 we're doing is we're setting up this catch 22 where there isn't really a direction that men can be

04:00:39.000 and the way that they often naturally want to express is bad and harmful. And then especially on

04:00:43.720 the left, we just basically say, you've had the mic for too long. So shut the fuck up. We're not 1.00

04:00:48.280 interested in you. I mean, Obama, Michelle Obama literally told men to sit up and shut down and shut up. 0.98

04:00:53.440 And it's just like, none of this is ever going to be ironic for a man to say that Michelle Obama.

04:00:59.260 Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. I said, I get it. Uh, she does a very strong arm. So my alternative hypothesis

04:01:04.700 would be, I don't know if it's fair to say that it's, it's expectations that men have put on men.

04:01:09.100 I think it's expectations that came out of necessity. I think there's a lot of reasons why

04:01:13.240 patriarchy has emerged over and over. We're on men that all of us societally reinforce moms, dads, 0.99

04:01:20.120 et cetera, et cetera. I mean, absolutely. Um, I guess what I'm trying to get at is that

04:01:28.220 I've personally seen time and time again, where a guy will vent about his frustrations about what's

04:01:34.320 going on in his life. And his friend just basically tells him, man up, here's a beer basically. And

04:01:40.200 that's not enough. Sometimes that's not enough. It really is enough for me tonight.

04:01:44.400 You know what I'm trying to say though, is that you're not ever, there's no one size fits all,

04:01:49.060 but I'm saying that I do agree that men need to be heard. Men need to be listened to. I do agree

04:01:53.960 with that. I'm not saying that I'm saying that there's just for too long, men have been told

04:01:58.800 that they just need to take it. I think that's good. I think they should take it. I think you

04:02:03.320 should say, man up, stop being a little bitch. I mean, I do that as a father why they kill each 1.00

04:02:09.260 other or kill, kill themselves or unalive themselves. No, they don't, they don't mostly

04:02:13.740 do that though. I'm just saying that you can't say like, don't talk to anybody, keep it internalize

04:02:20.160 it, keep it within yourself. How could you, how could you make the link though, of teaching

04:02:24.020 men to essentially, um, overcome, uh, their emotions, overcome their, uh, perceived tribulations

04:02:34.040 by being stronger and stronger. And then you're trying to make a link to, if you teach men to

04:02:39.560 overcome things that results in them deleting themselves, I don't understand how you're making

04:02:44.480 this jump. Well, let's, let's just say men and women, women are a lot more social. Women talk to 1.00

04:02:51.120 each other a lot more men, a lot more are more independent. They don't talk to each other yet.

04:02:56.680 You don't see women killing themselves, unaliving themselves, unaliving themselves. They're not as good 0.99

04:03:01.200 at it. Unaliving themselves left and right. Men are better at it. What? It's like a force. They

04:03:06.260 succeed. They're, they can follow through that men, women fail at it. They attempt it, but they fail 0.97

04:03:11.220 more than men. Why is that in the attempts, in the comparative analysis of attempts? Why is the men,

04:03:16.840 why is the man so successful at it? Like the women try, but they also does therapy work? Like in 0.81

04:03:22.480 general therapy, yes. Like in general does therapy, does therapy work? I mean, robustly, but I will give you

04:03:29.220 a caveat. Therapy robustly works by and large. There's a couple of caveats. Therapy is extremely

04:03:35.660 ineffective with incels. Extremely. Incels actually seek therapy more than the general population,

04:03:41.780 but the efficacy rate for them is about 10%. I'm not even talking about incels. I'm just

04:03:46.000 speaking in general. I'm telling you at data level, unquestionably it works. There's certain things like

04:03:50.280 grief counseling or like if you're, if you're specifically trying to address maybe something

04:03:55.180 specific, uh, there, I, I guess I could see the application of therapy, but a man just going to

04:04:00.920 see another man or a woman and just here's my problems. Well, that's not therapy. It doesn't

04:04:07.360 necessarily mean you have a problem. Hold on. Just to be clear. Talk therapy is like the most popular

04:04:12.460 form of therapy that there is. But you're describing a talk therapy that isn't even like

04:04:15.920 most men, for example, tend to prefer CBT versus like, yeah, CBT has some merit to it,

04:04:21.420 but like just talk therapy. Here's talk therapy is CBT. CBT is the most common form of therapy.

04:04:27.160 Unquestionably. There's a new fourth wave of therapy that is getting a little bit more popular.

04:04:30.500 That's a little bit more emotion focused exclusively. Women tend to like that more, 1.00

04:04:34.380 but CBT is very practical. Who here is currently in therapy?

04:04:39.100 Amazing. Okay. Who here has ever professionally offered therapy? It depends on the therapy.

04:04:43.540 And how many therapists have you had? Like three. How many therapists have you had? Two.

04:04:48.080 Um, if, if it's not too much to share, what issues are you guys specifically working through in

04:04:55.280 therapy? So the thing about therapy is a lot of people think there's a stigma like, oh,

04:05:00.980 he or she is in therapy. And there's like that stigma that comes with it. But therapy doesn't,

04:05:06.440 just because you do therapy doesn't necessarily mean that there's something wrong with somebody like

04:05:10.380 $200 an hour. It's not $200. Yeah, but he asked you. Can you answer my question though? What

04:05:14.880 specifically are you working on in therapy? Sometimes I talk about things in my life

04:05:19.620 that made me upset. For example, why can't you talk to a pillow here? And what's your,

04:05:24.600 are you specific? Cause I know people are, are you specifically working through something in

04:05:29.100 particular? Yeah. Yeah. Childhood trauma. Okay. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Um,

04:05:34.400 I guess the question is though, sometimes you go this therapy stuff. Does, has it helped you

04:05:39.620 talking about it? Honestly, it's, it has to be the right therapist. I currently have one that I

04:05:44.300 stopped seeing because it, I agree with you. It's just like talking to a wall and she was like,

04:05:48.280 yeah, yeah. And, and first off, I'm very sorry to hear that you went through traumatic things when

04:05:53.740 you were a child. Um, I think a lot of people go through that. Um, do you, have you found that,

04:05:59.620 and this is my experience sometimes with talking about anything that is troubling. Uh, I find that

04:06:05.780 talking about it just makes me more upset. It doesn't help at all. It just, it's sort of, uh,

04:06:13.600 what's the word for it? It, it just sort of recycles the feelings. And sometimes I just,

04:06:19.720 if the, if it's something like temporary that I'm upset about talking about it and focusing on it

04:06:24.860 just makes me more upset about said thing. And if I'm given a day, a couple of days to just

04:06:30.660 not talk about it, I tend to just move on past the thing that was troubling and I'm good. Now I can

04:06:38.000 understand perhaps with something that's like a bit more deep seated and like, you know, you're not

04:06:42.880 going to get over, you know, I'm talking about more of a minor thing, but even things that in the

04:06:46.720 moment are troubling to me, if I just wait a week, yeah, I'm over it. So when, sorry, when I'm in

04:06:53.200 therapy, um, we practice something where they, with trauma, they want you to be, um, to feel what

04:07:00.120 you felt when you had that trauma to overcome the idea of like, I don't want to think about it,

04:07:05.780 you know, hush, like it's under the rug because you're not really working through it. If you're

04:07:09.940 just not talking about it and you're just putting it under the rug or hiding it, what talking through

04:07:15.300 it and having that emotional reaction is actually helping you as a person. It helped me. It has to

04:07:21.960 be the right therapist. Like again, if the therapist is just nodding her head or his, her head,

04:07:26.440 just saying yes, yes, yes. And not actually asking questions, engaging, um, trying to understand

04:07:31.440 my perspective or even interjecting and saying, Hey, like what you just said is not correct. Like

04:07:36.660 that's, um, cognitive behavioral therapy. Um, then there's no, it's not. Can I ask you a more

04:07:43.480 of a, more of like an empirical question? How do you measure whether or not you've, uh, sort

04:07:52.340 of worked your way through something? Let's say like, here's a problem in between these two things

04:07:58.520 is therapy. And here's you, you've made your way through. How do you, what's the metric for you've

04:08:04.480 made your way through the problem? There's never a way. There's never, uh, I made a way through my

04:08:08.940 problem. I will always live with that. It's unfortunate, but it's the way I am able to react

04:08:13.260 to it, handle it and talk about it. Do you want to know the empirical metrics that we use in the

04:08:18.460 science to evaluate? So there's a couple of metrics that are going to be used. One of the

04:08:21.960 most important ones is days off work. So one of the most important metrics for the efficacy of

04:08:25.620 therapy is to see how often that person has to take off work for mental health related issues.

04:08:29.700 So this is one of the most robust evidences for support for therapy is that people who have gone

04:08:34.240 through therapy miss work less often. Another really good measure of therapy efficacy would be

04:08:38.700 things like relationship flourishing. So if they prior to therapy struggled in relationships,

04:08:43.320 can't maintain them very well. And post therapy have relationship flourishing. That's oftentimes

04:08:48.140 used. And you see this robustly. Like when I'm saying robustly, I mean millions, maybe billions

04:08:53.560 of data points, right? So this is an extremely established phenomenon that by and large therapy

04:08:58.640 works. There are bad therapists and there is a pathologizing of normal living that I would totally

04:09:04.800 grant where people like, I'm really sad. I need to go to therapy. I'm like, you could probably just

04:09:08.580 talk to a friend. Like you probably don't need to, but there are things like trauma, for example,

04:09:12.880 that have very neurobiological underlyings that have very, very well researched protocols for

04:09:17.820 addressing these things. And the thing that she's describing where essentially you're calling the

04:09:21.800 emotion, the emotion and the memory forward and reconsolidating it is based on hippocampal data.

04:09:26.640 We know that when you pull a memory forward and you reform it, every time you re re-experience that

04:09:32.580 memory, you're recoding it with like emotional colors. And so the goal of like PTSD therapy would

04:09:37.920 be reduction of nightmares, reduction of days off and reduction of flashbacks. And it doesn't always

04:09:44.000 work. There are some people that it is not effective on and there are other ways, but for

04:09:47.720 example, prolonged exposure is what it sounds like you're talking about is extremely effective

04:09:52.120 on average by and large. However, there is a caveat here again, which is that overall we said that

04:09:57.680 therapy is slightly less effective for men. And I would argue that's because we approach therapy

04:10:02.080 almost exclusively from a more feminine approach and there can be therapies and there are therapies

04:10:06.980 that focus on more mechanical movement. For example, teaching men to externalize, having therapy that's

04:10:12.700 focused outdoors and with movement, talking about like project-related processing, these things do

04:10:18.440 exist and are beginning to emerge because I think men have been underserved by therapy.

04:10:22.840 Well, it's like you said, you said that you'd way rather just not talk about it, wait out a week.

04:10:29.480 I personally want to, like I want to talk about it. I can't let it sit within.

04:10:36.100 You know, there's some variance here. I think you made some good points. And I think that

04:10:41.060 when I'm talking about therapy, I'm not talking about it so much from like trauma stuff, more so

04:10:48.820 like vaguely sad, like I'm vaguely unhappy. Uh, there's not like a specific traumatic experience

04:10:55.360 I'm trying to work through. It's more so just like I'm vaguely upset or sad about something,

04:10:59.920 or I just like, or perhaps the problem's been solved, but I'm just going to be perpetually in

04:11:05.200 therapy. Yeah. That's kind of confusing to me too. Mild to moderate depression and anxiety,

04:11:10.200 by and large, particularly in its state, which means like you're feeling sad. It's not like a

04:11:14.000 diagnosis can be solved by community. If you just immerse that person into a community that supports

04:11:18.180 them, most of these things go away because most people are sad because they're lonely. Sure. Final

04:11:21.620 thing on the therapy thing, just in response to you, you said you, you want to talk about that

04:11:25.280 things and stuff. Sorry, that was, you want to talk about things? Yeah. Like I got it. I got a therapist

04:11:30.700 after that year and a half breakup because I just couldn't put it on my friends to listen to me 24 seven.

04:11:38.160 Sure. Like, cause I'd be so anxious, so depressed. Like it was, but do you feel like the, if I can

04:11:44.940 make it from a relationship realm, uh, I don't feel the need to like, for example, if my girl,

04:11:51.160 uh, if I'm dating a girl and she does something that's annoying or something, I don't feel the need 0.55

04:11:55.860 to like in every instance, uh, if somebody has like said something that's like, whatever, kind of

04:12:01.640 annoying, or I don't feel the need to constantly litigate every single minor thing. I think part of

04:12:06.340 being in a relationship is giving the other person grace and like letting like minor things

04:12:11.300 unless they put the toilet paper the wrong way. Oh yeah, of course. Then you've got to,

04:12:16.020 then it's over, you know, but I think that like component of relationships is giving the other

04:12:21.940 person grace to like, maybe, especially this is especially the case for, for women. I think

04:12:26.920 like, if we say something that offends you, if maybe let a couple things slide, you know, 0.99

04:12:33.620 I've had girls are like every fucking thing. I don't think I was really necessarily saying, 0.98

04:12:40.380 I wasn't saying that. I was just saying like, I have a bad day. I had a bad day at work or something

04:12:46.420 really shitty happened. Like I'd rather just tell somebody about it, talk about it for a second.

04:12:51.540 And I'm more likely to get over it. My brain works on just festering on it. So I feel like

04:12:57.380 that's kind of like where we're different. We're going to move on. We have a chat here

04:13:00.320 from Blahfest. Speaking of which guys, TTS is $70. Oh, I forgot to change it. I'll just read it

04:13:05.220 then. Women attempt unaliving more times than men. There are more men who statistically unalive

04:13:09.460 themselves in total. Men are just better at it and less desperate for the attention women see comes

04:13:14.360 from it. I'm going to change the threshold on, on those, but yes. Thank you Blahfest for the,

04:13:21.380 message. Thank you. Thank you guys. TTS has been lowered. $69 TTS. If you want to get it in

04:13:26.740 $69 TTS. I'm going to finish up with the pre-show notes. Then we're going to get into some of the

04:13:31.740 questionnaire stuff. Let's see. We had, uh, Oh, final thing for you, Charlie, your final note here.

04:13:37.700 You disagree with the host and others that have been on the show when it comes to male loneliness

04:13:41.100 epidemic. You think that that exists because women are largely waking up to the tricks guys pull, 0.99

04:13:46.800 and that's just the free market doing its thing by weeding out weak men. I do. What tricks are,

04:13:53.700 what tricks are guys pulling and that women are waking up to? I mean, just in general, gaslighting.

04:14:00.500 What is that? What is that? I don't even know what that means. Gaslighting is kind of like,

04:14:03.760 if I said like, I'm gaslighting you right now. I do know. Okay. Well, sorry. Uh, what,

04:14:10.580 what is gas? You don't know what gaslighting is because you're fucking crazy. No, what is gaslighting 1.00

04:14:14.280 though? I mean, I don't have like a definitive definition. You don't even know. I think it's

04:14:18.760 just a buzzword. Women like to throw out. It's definitely, I can define it as like, if I'm 1.00

04:14:24.320 defining it as a verb where it's like, it's as if, if I said you did something or you saw like a text

04:14:31.140 that I sent or something. And then you're saying like, I saw you send this text and I'm like, no,

04:14:35.680 you didn't know you didn't. Even though you saw it, I'm now making you question whether you actually saw it

04:14:40.120 or not. That's just like something like that. It's crazy making. There's, it's from a movie.

04:14:43.380 This guy like tries to make his wife go crazy by like moving everything like slightly to the left. 0.90

04:14:48.240 It's the gaslighting comes from, it's not a psychological like psychotherapy word. People

04:14:52.060 weaponize it like that, but it's not from psychotherapy. I guess what I'm trying to say is

04:14:57.840 that there is an influx of a lot of men who want, as I said earlier in the podcast, some, someone who

04:15:03.520 wants like a traditional woman, but they aren't willing to be actually traditional men. And, you know, 0.98

04:15:09.300 seeing as how, you know, like, would you guys say you guys are free market, free market? Like

04:15:13.860 you guys say free market's the best, like capitalism's not perfect, but it's the best.

04:15:18.240 I mean, I've never spoken on my economic. I'm just saying that a lot of, a lot of conservative

04:15:23.320 leaning men will say that I support free market. Yeah. I don't, I don't think you should like

04:15:26.860 dump toxic sludge into rivers and stuff in the government. Yeah, no, but then what I'm, but then

04:15:32.300 what I was getting at is that like, well, a lot of women say that these guys are really low quality.

04:15:37.280 So let me hold on and like wait longer to see a guy that does come along who is a better

04:15:42.160 quality man. And that leads to a lot of the weaker men who aren't as traditional and aren't

04:15:49.200 really high quality. It leaves them without anybody to go with them, I guess is what I'm

04:15:54.160 trying to say. So, I mean, I guess that's what I was getting at is that.

04:15:58.620 Are you saying left leaning liberals or men who aren't leaning traditional are more depressed

04:16:06.020 or, or what do you, no, no, I haven't said that. I was just wondering like if you, who's

04:16:10.960 the lonely people, what's the demographic of the lonely men here? A lot of, a lot of men

04:16:15.440 that say there is a male loneliness epidemic tends, tends to be harsh right wing, not like

04:16:21.360 just like conservative. I'm not thinking. Oh, you're saying the opposite. Not like normal,

04:16:24.700 like traditional conservatives. I'm talking people who go off the deep end and they say

04:16:29.080 that there's some, in fairness, if you actually look at incel research, it's extremely politically

04:16:32.980 diverse. It's also like racially politically diverse. Yeah. By an, yeah. It's like, I think

04:16:37.720 it's a right wing talking point because the left, well, the left is so angry at men, like

04:16:43.120 the left and left speak, like I'm a left wing person. I advocate for men's stuff all the

04:16:48.220 time. And as a result of that, I'm a pariah in a lot of left spaces, right? The left really

04:16:52.660 doesn't want to be honest with itself about like plights and issues that men have, but

04:16:57.120 like, yeah, even incel data, you have like, there's like communists all the way to like

04:17:02.580 fascists within the incel ideology by and large from what, this is like Costello's research

04:17:07.320 at least. I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. People expect it to be right wing, but it actually isn't.

04:17:12.620 How do you determine someone's involuntarily celibate versus, like how do you even know?

04:17:18.260 Can women be involved? Like how do you even determine someone, is it a self ID thing or? 1.00

04:17:23.180 Yeah. I think the men who, uh, self ID is that are essentially, they're trying to get

04:17:27.420 pussy and they're, they cannot do it, but they'll also like, they would never like approach a grandma 1.00

04:17:33.220 and like get pussy, which they probably could. Oh, and to answer your question, Brian. Yeah. 1.00

04:17:39.080 There are like women. It was in response to the grandma pussy comment. There are like women who 1.00

04:17:46.260 are fall under involuntary celibates, but in buzzword spaces, they're called femcels is kind

04:17:53.200 of like what they call it. It's impossible. A woman can't be involuntarily celibate. 1.00

04:17:57.400 Well, she could be really, really, really ugly. Right. And then it's like most men won't want to 0.98

04:18:01.840 fuck her, but most incels, for example, would never fuck a grandma, but there's a lot of grandmas 1.00

04:18:05.980 that probably would be down for some young dick and would be pretty open to how ugly a dude would 1.00

04:18:09.900 look. But most guys would be like, ew. Right. So it's like, yeah, but also the incel phenomena, 0.99

04:18:14.920 the femcels do steal a lot of valor from incels, which have a very different problem by and large. 0.67

04:18:20.420 Yeah. I mean, I, hold on, let me let this chat come through or actually wait, I'll address it.

04:18:26.280 The incels are going to be so mad. Now you, where are you getting this information? You mentioned

04:18:30.920 the science earlier. Which information? The incel science. He's asking about the incel science.

04:18:35.340 William Costello is probably one of the most like foremost researchers on incel stuff. He's the

04:18:39.300 first researcher who's actually tried to approach incel groups. Uh, honestly, right. Most research

04:18:45.020 on incels is like, do they hate women? Yes, they do. And it's like, oh, shocker. Uh, he's the first

04:18:50.340 one who's like befriended, worked with incel groups and studied them like where they are in their like

04:18:55.380 forums and stuff like that. Like Jane Goodall. Yeah. Like Jane Goodall, but for incels. Yes. I'll let

04:19:02.220 him know. I'll let these, uh, chats come through. Thank you. Blahfest. Blahfest donated $200. Thank

04:19:08.100 you, man. I'm a high quality, hardworking, respectful, and traditional man. I love my wife

04:19:14.120 and my girlfriend so much. I don't think I have it in my heart to cheat on them. All right.

04:19:19.540 Thank you. Blahfest for the big $200, uh, TTS. Really appreciate it, man. We have your friend

04:19:23.900 Intel wild coming in to talk some shit. Uh, Kyla. So incoming. Oh, my best buddy. Thank you. Blahfest. 1.00

04:19:31.940 Appreciate it, man. Uh, if you guys want $69 TTS. Intel wild donated $69. Sweet Jesus, not so bright.

04:19:41.060 Please cover up that stomach. We can see the jelly rolls bursting out. You know that this dude's fat.

04:19:47.660 You know that this guy is some like fat motherfucker. Uh, I'm definitely heavier than I, uh, like I said, 1.00

04:19:53.440 I'm at the end of a bulk. I am definitely hammered. Mine is a little bit extra. I just don't care.

04:19:59.120 Wow. Yeah. Nice. Okay. I guess see me in two months, see if the bulk pays off, uh, the cutting

04:20:03.380 pays off. So to you though, you think that there's like fem cells exist? Women can be involuntarily 1.00

04:20:08.200 celibate? I think so. I mean, not necessarily in a buzzword sense. Yes. Like a woman who's like a 1.00

04:20:15.300 misandrous hates men. I could say that. Yeah, that's a fem cell. Like someone who just hates men with 0.99

04:20:20.420 like, you know, I could say I could see that. Yeah. But I mean, I haven't, I haven't really

04:20:25.520 put much thought into it cause I don't think about just curious though. Do you think like

04:20:29.240 guys who are mega players who have smashed like 200, 300 women, do you think they're like

04:20:34.160 the pinnacle of feminism or do you think they probably have like some misogynistic tendencies 1.00

04:20:38.680 or do you, or they, they also maybe have like some, uh, views on women that are not particularly

04:20:44.320 like, uh, well-received by feminists? I could, I could see it. Yeah. Like mega players probably 1.00

04:20:51.280 don't have like super high opinions. I agree. Of women. I can see that. Yeah. Versus like the 1.00

04:20:56.100 average guy. They're probably, I would say like mega players probably lean more misogynistic

04:21:02.280 than like your average guy who has like an average body count. So this idea that like we're linking

04:21:07.600 like one's ability to get laid with misogyny is kind of interesting. But, um, I just don't,

04:21:13.980 I genuinely don't see how like, I suppose a particular woman could be involuntarily celibate. 0.95

04:21:22.160 Like she's just, she's just like 800 pounds and like even like she's just bad looking. But 1.00

04:21:33.100 like the, if you look at like these incel men, like probably a lot of them are below average

04:21:39.400 looking, I would say. Um, but I think below, like, if you look at like their male, if you

04:21:45.240 look at a quote unquote, like, uh, uh, a male incel, his female equivalent looks wise, she 0.99

04:21:53.540 can fuck three dudes in a day. Isn't the only metric for this whole terminology, just sex, 1.00

04:22:00.440 like just the act of sex. Like that's the ultimate, that's the definition, right? It's

04:22:05.560 like, can you get sex? Yeah. Yeah. So like, what if it's the case that both men and women 0.99

04:22:10.960 are slowly rejecting this sort of like lingering sexual liberation, uh, crop dust that we're

04:22:19.920 in? Uh, and maybe they, maybe, maybe in the incelibate thing is actually, could be a good

04:22:25.420 thing. What if it's a pushback and people are like, well, maybe I just want to get to know

04:22:29.800 someone and, and with technology and all of this promiscuity, it's really hard to navigate.

04:22:35.640 That'd be a vol cell. Maybe they just want to like, yeah, maybe they just want to like,

04:22:39.880 yeah, that, that's the thing is like, that's why I'm like incel involuntary, voluntary. It

04:22:45.160 seems to be a bit ambiguous given that there's a lot of other variables at play. Well, I think

04:22:50.360 it would just strictly be like, this is somebody who's not like waiting until marriage and they

04:22:54.460 are desirous. They're trying to. They're desirous of at least having a singular sexual

04:22:59.380 encounter and they can't like, they cannot get a singular sexual encounter.

04:23:06.340 Yeah. Like that's what I'm wondering. Maybe, maybe they should rearrange their priority to

04:23:12.600 for marriage or something instead. Maybe it'll change things.

04:23:17.260 We have Intel wilds here. Oh boy. Here it is. Intel wilds. There it is. Thank you. Intel

04:23:26.080 Intel wilds donated $69, five feet, 10 inches, 170. Nice. Try crazy lady. WJ. W. Jim Bob.

04:23:37.780 Is that, what's he talking about? Is that me? No, him. He's not, he's not, he's not, he's not a fatso. 0.99

04:23:44.160 That's him. That's him. He's not a fatty. He's, he's, he's trim. That's a good, that's a good,

04:23:50.180 congrats Intel wild. Good job. I'm proud of you. Um, really quick question for the panel starting

04:23:56.540 with you, Kelly. Equality or chivalry? If you had to pick one. Quality. Equality. Okay. Absolutely

04:24:07.720 one. Equality, but I also don't believe that those are mutually exclusive. Sure. Equality.

04:24:16.060 Chivalry. Equality. Chivalry. Chivalry. Chivalry. There you go. No, that's fine. Uh, okay.

04:24:24.740 Okay. That's interesting. That's interesting. Uh, okay. Oh wait, how about this? Um, democracy

04:24:32.160 or abortion? Same thing. So would you, would you rather have a democracy or access to abortion

04:24:43.560 starting with Kelly? Wouldn't access to democracy give you access to abortion? In this world, you

04:24:50.380 can only have one. In this. Yeah. So let's assume it's like a, a Republican conservative

04:24:56.000 democracy. Yeah. Democracy. You pick democracy. Okay. Democracy. I'm confused. Sorry. Oh, it's

04:25:03.280 just, uh, if, if you had to choose one, so would you rather have democracy in a country or, but

04:25:10.160 no, no abortion rights whatsoever, or it's could be like totalitarian, authoritarian, monarchy,

04:25:15.540 whatever it is. Uh, no democracy. You can't vote anymore, but you, your right to abortion 0.95

04:25:20.560 is preserved. Oh, democracy. Okay. Democracy. Democracy. Democracy. Okay. All right. That

04:25:27.340 was not bad. All right. We got a chat here from Jake Burnett. Uh-oh. Jake Burnett's donated

04:25:32.320 $69. It's past Jay's bedtime and he's lost so many brain cells. He's falling asleep. Not so you

04:25:40.500 ride. I can tell Jay not to give an entire history lesson, but every time you speak, you

04:25:45.160 give an endless yap with an essay. So we'll get into, I want to try to bring in a topic

04:25:50.780 so we can get Jay in. Pumped up. I got, I got a topic coming up here for Jay. Really quick.

04:25:56.140 I want to do, he'll go. I want to read one of your notes and then we'll come back to some

04:25:59.920 of your notes a little bit later. Uh, you said, uh, uh, here, I'll just do a simple one really

04:26:07.040 quick. In a relationship, sleeping in different rooms or beds is okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. I'm

04:26:12.460 on board. I'm actually on board with this. I'm on board with this. I think a lot of people

04:26:16.440 could probably get behind different rooms because it's not like you can't go to each other's

04:26:20.940 room, but you have your own space and you have, you know, it's just your own independent

04:26:24.800 space separate from each other. Um, beds, I guess kind of goes with that too. Um, but yeah,

04:26:30.520 I think that that's okay. Any, anybody have thoughts on this? Like you're okay with having

04:26:35.600 separate, separate beds, separate rooms. I think it's healthy, healthy to have space

04:26:40.040 in a relationship, but I like to cuddle. So I guess you can still go over, spend the night

04:26:46.880 in their room. It's just, you have your separate space. That'll stay the night. Yeah. Come

04:26:50.820 sleep over. Yeah. I just want my own closet. Okay. We're good. All right. Um, what about

04:27:03.520 you, uh, separate beds, separate rooms? I don't want to yuck on your yum. Uh, in

04:27:10.760 general, I think I'm very concerned for the health of relationship if they can't share

04:27:15.540 a bedroom together. I think you're concerned. Yeah. I think there are situations like, you

04:27:20.060 know, like if one person has a syndrome or like their legs, like restless leg syndrome

04:27:23.580 and stuff. Like he's going to Kung Fu the chick and yeah. Like she can't sleep beside him 0.91

04:27:27.060 because he's literally like vibrating while he's asleep. Not murder. Just like he's like

04:27:30.860 with his legs. With his legs. Sure. Yeah. Um, but by and large, I guess the question

04:27:35.280 is, is, um, concerns me when I see that. Wouldn't there always be some reason for

04:27:38.900 separate, like I can't imagine. We're just going to arbitrarily, if they're otherwise

04:27:42.780 fine sleeping together, we're just going to arbitrarily, there would always be a reason

04:27:46.580 for the separate beds thing. Right. I just think most, a lot of reasons that I hear are

04:27:50.020 not very compelling to me. What about like sleep? Like, oh man, it's hard for me to sleep

04:27:53.520 in the same room as somebody. Uh, again, it would depend on like what that is. Uh, so

04:27:59.020 like if they're just like, I just don't like sleeping near anyone, I'd be like, well, it's

04:28:02.420 kind of weird, but I guess do your thing. Um, if they're just like, I just need my own

04:28:06.440 space. Wait, was this the topic that was going to get Jay fired up? No, no. I wanted to do

04:28:12.860 one of her notes. Then we'll get to, hopefully we'll get to that topic. So what's your, what's

04:28:18.800 your reason for wanting it? Um, mainly I think just to have your own room and your own space

04:28:24.160 and all your own stuff. And it's just kind of like yours is yours. Sure. What about

04:28:28.260 you? I'm down to have like a guest bedroom, but for the most part, like I just want my

04:28:33.720 own closet, maybe separate bathrooms, but bed I'm sharing. What about you? Uh, own your

04:28:40.300 own bedroom. I would say. Yeah. You're, you're fine with it. Yeah. I like the idea of having

04:28:44.920 your own self-expression and you don't have to like compromise so much and then you can

04:28:50.240 just, you know, go to each other's rooms after it doesn't matter. Sure. Jim Bob. Uh, I would

04:28:55.180 say same bed, try to keep that. Um, not to say like you can't have like a, I don't know,

04:29:00.820 like a, a day bed in like a studio where you just like pass out because you're, you know,

04:29:05.720 you're doing stuff. But, um, I kind of look at it from a, even though it's unlikely, I

04:29:11.240 look at it from a protective lens where like I want access to be able to defend my family

04:29:16.520 and my wife. So I want to be closer if something occurred. That makes sense. Jay, what about

04:29:21.100 you? Um, I'm married late in life. So I was really used to not having like somebody in

04:29:26.520 my personal space every single night. Um, but then when I got married, it took me about

04:29:30.980 a year or two. I got really used to it. So I like it now. And then like when we, you

04:29:34.940 know, like sometimes I do snore, like not every night, but maybe once every month or so. Um,

04:29:40.520 sometimes like you can have, you know, if somebody's sick or something like that, somebody goes in

04:29:43.900 the other room, but like, I think typically you're going to want somebody. Yeah. And I'm

04:29:49.660 not, I would, I'm okay with sharing a room or a bed. I'm just saying it's okay. I like,

04:29:54.140 I could see why you would. And I'm, I kind of could go either way. I think. Yeah. Yeah.

04:29:58.100 I'm, I'm kind of big on the separate. I like the separate beds, separate room. I just like

04:30:03.860 the separate messes. Yeah. Separate messes. I feel like that'll avoid a fight. You make your

04:30:09.540 room messy. I make my room messy. No one. Yeah. I think separate rooms is good. Cause

04:30:15.700 I'm messy. Cause usually girls are clean. Like the dudes are messy. 1.00

04:30:21.740 I mean like my closet's a disaster from getting dressed today and I don't plan on cleaning it

04:30:27.300 up tonight or maybe tomorrow. So it's like that type of stuff. But no, I feel like men are

04:30:32.020 very messy. If you're, if you're the girl cleaning and you're cleaning up after a man every time,

04:30:38.420 I mean, obviously everyone has their own situation, but yeah, I, okay. Rock and roll.

04:30:46.820 All right. Let me get into the questionnaire here, which hopefully we'll be able to get Jane

04:30:50.060 to on some of the stuff. Uh, let's see here while we go Kyla's notes to see if there's anything

04:30:57.340 there. Uh, you did like little squiggly signs, which I guess is like, maybe like me, depending

04:31:02.780 on how we phrase it. So a man dating a transgender woman is straight to what you're, he's like more 0.98

04:31:07.600 gay than a guy, not dating a transgender, but he's, it's, it's more straight than a guy dating 0.55

04:31:13.360 a man, you know? Okay. So it's like a, it's a spectrum is what you're saying. Yeah. If they 0.52

04:31:18.640 have titties, it's obviously more femme than if they have a penis and chest hair. I see. Yeah. 1.00

04:31:23.360 Okay. I would actually be, I think that probably grant that, uh, but you wouldn't say that it would

04:31:28.420 be straight. It'd be straighter, straighter. Okay. But it wouldn't be, for example, like a man 0.98

04:31:35.400 dating a transgender woman, they would not be in a heterosexual relationship. Uh, they'd probably 1.00

04:31:42.960 use that label. I'd be fine with that. I don't really care. But would it be from your perspective,

04:31:48.000 a heterosexual relationship? Mostly. What do you hold on? Mostly. Yeah. Cause she's in most ways,

04:31:57.740 super femme, she's presenting femme, but there's obviously in a lot of cases, there's no chance 0.99

04:32:02.120 for pregnancy. There's oftentimes not a vagina going on. Right. So it's not quite heterosexual. 0.97

04:32:08.040 Hold on. But hetero. So we're talking about the binary though, because I'm treating these 1.00

04:32:12.020 things, obviously spectrum, right? Well, there's not a sex. There's a jet. I'll go ahead and grant

04:32:16.980 that there's a gender spectrum, but there's not a sex spectrum. Like it's binary. Sure. But I think

04:32:22.160 when you're talking about like heterosexuality to homosexuality, you're talking about being gay 0.98

04:32:26.160 or straight. And so in that sense, I would say, which is sex, it's sex, not gender. It's heterosexuality

04:32:32.120 pertains to sex, not gender. I guess I'm rejecting your, uh, your binary approach. I mean,

04:32:37.160 it's literally, but it's literally in the word definition itself. Heterosexuality. That's not how

04:32:42.480 we, that's not how we like define things though. Right. Wait, it's same sex, opposite sex 0.98

04:32:46.440 relationships. Are you a science denier? No, I'm not a science denier. I don't think anyone says

04:32:54.400 that sexuality and homosexuality is this like binary thing in the way that we'd say like sex

04:32:59.640 is because sex is binary for a number of reasons. It's not just genitalia. It's a whole number of

04:33:03.960 factions, but it's heterosexuality and homosexuality is much less of a biological concept. It's much

04:33:09.440 more of like a social concept of how we label relationships, which is why it's more spectrum

04:33:13.980 between sexes. Between genders a lot of time, right? No. Yes. Between sexes. That's maybe how you 0.88

04:33:19.820 define it. That's just not how I do. Okay. The word itself is a social construct, but the behavior

04:33:24.160 that's observed is object. Wouldn't that be objective? Yeah. That's why it would be

04:33:29.400 spectrum, right? Like if she has, if you're having sex with somebody and you're like sucking 0.99

04:33:32.640 on their titty, but also like they have a penis, it's obviously less straight than. It's her 1.00

04:33:39.540 titty, but his penis. Are you splitting it? No, no. It's her titty and her penis. At the 1.00

04:33:42.820 torso? It's her titty and her penis. Wait, you think there is such a thing as her penis? Yeah. 1.00

04:33:46.720 How's that? Is that binary or? Is that a binary? What is a gender? Well, it's. You're the one 0.83

04:33:52.760 making the claim. Yeah. Well, I don't think that like sex is just genitalia. Okay. Do you

04:33:56.240 think there's a difference between sex and gender? Yes. Okay. Can a female sex, a female 1.00

04:34:03.100 be a trans woman? Can a female, like a sex woman? If gender and sex are different, can 1.00

04:34:12.820 a female be a trans woman? No, because the whole point of trans is that you're transitioning 1.00

04:34:17.260 to the opposite gender. Oh, binary. You mean transitioning to a different sex? Nope. Performing 1.00

04:34:22.180 as the opposite gender. Okay. Well, though, if it's different. You don't suddenly become like 0.96

04:34:26.040 XY when you take the start. You just reduce it to sex. If it's impossible for a female. Well, 0.99

04:34:30.600 you have reduced it to that, but I have not. Right. So if you want to gauge my world.

04:34:33.960 What's the transition? What's the transition then? The transition is the gender performance 0.94

04:34:38.580 from what to what? A woman to man in this case. Which is what? Which is what? A transgender 0.98

04:34:45.580 in that case. A transgender man. So you see how silly this is. It's over. Like you're insane. I get 1.00

04:34:51.920 it. You guys don't like trans shit. You're insane. No, you're actually insane. Okay. Like you're an 1.00

04:34:55.520 insane person. Uh, you guys already acknowledge that gender is spectral. I didn't say that. No. 1.00

04:35:00.340 You said that. We're just asking you. Oh, you guys don't think gender and sex are

04:35:04.420 different? No. That was just me, I guess. Oh, okay. No, I think once I think they're

04:35:08.480 informed from a binary. That's why this question is absolutely downstream from a binary. This

04:35:13.800 question destroys the entire paradigm because if premise one is sex and gender are not the

04:35:20.960 same and transgender is this transition of genders. It's not a transition of sex. Then a 0.98

04:35:26.820 female, which is sex could be a trans woman, but you said they can't be because of, but 1.00

04:35:33.660 they're not really transitioning anywhere. Right? Like, yeah, that's our point. There

04:35:37.120 is no transition. If you want to hear my definition, right? Typically gender is downstream of sex. 1.00

04:35:43.220 This is obviously true when you're born. When is it atypical? Uh, there's multiple situations

04:35:47.960 where it's atypical. There's lots of women that are born with an XY condition, but they're 1.00

04:35:51.700 testes essentially. Can I identify as that? It's literally not sex and it's arguable about

04:35:56.420 whether or not they're a man or woman because their testes don't drop. So they express, they

04:36:00.300 have a vagina, they have tits. So physical. They have a vagina, they have tits. They go through 1.00

04:36:06.560 female puberty. The only thing that you catch them in is they don't have a period because 1.00

04:36:10.440 their testes are ever dropped. Can I identify as that? Can I identify as that? Well, there's

04:36:13.720 a massive question of which sex that person is. The thing you just described, can I identify

04:36:17.780 as having that phenomenon? What's a chair? Define a chair for me. This is what you're

04:36:25.320 doing. You don't answer questions. I answer questions, Jim, all the time. No, I answer

04:36:31.340 your questions the entire conversation. The issue is that when you find answers that you

04:36:35.960 don't like, you just insist that I don't answer questions. You have still not answered my question

04:36:40.660 about objectivism versus absolutism. You've run away from it the entire time. You still

04:36:44.880 not answered my questions about objectivism. Well, you're not worthy of answering either,

04:36:49.340 so I get to use the same fail-save. You claim that you know the topics and you don't know

04:36:53.420 one book in the topic. You don't know anything about the gender spectrum. You don't know one

04:36:55.480 book in the topic. You got exposed as a fraud. I'm sorry, Jay. You're not worthy for me to talk

04:36:59.020 to on this topic. I just can't. You don't know this subject. Does it have to do with sofas?

04:37:03.200 No. No.

04:37:05.060 So this is the problem with it, and this is why it's such a defeater, is that if there's two

04:37:10.040 different things you're talking about, every time you point to some sort of obscure

04:37:14.300 deformity or some weird atypical biological expression that happens between genes or the-

04:37:20.860 Every time you point to medical science-

04:37:22.380 Hold on a second. You're actually pointing to someone, something, that has nothing to do with

04:37:26.740 gender because gender, you said- 0.99

04:37:28.280 You were talking about sex.

04:37:29.540 No, we're talking about sex and gender.

04:37:31.040 Yeah, which is why I said it's downstream, but it's not one-to-one. Sex is categorized by a number

04:37:36.060 of things. It's your chromosomes, your physical expression, the gametes that you produce,

04:37:40.740 and the androgenic hormones that you create.

04:37:45.300 You spouting out science terms doesn't get you anywhere.

04:37:47.580 I've got to ask you a question.

04:37:48.660 Because you don't know the subject matter.

04:37:49.160 That just tells me you don't know what these words mean.

04:37:51.400 That's all we're learning right now.

04:37:52.200 Kyla, focus for a second. 0.79

04:37:53.400 What's a gamete? Do you know what a gamete is?

04:37:55.200 Focus for a second.

04:37:55.800 What's a gamete?

04:37:56.420 You spouting out terms and asking for definitions?

04:37:59.260 Forget it.

04:37:59.720 It's a biological term.

04:38:00.300 Jim Bob, what's a gambete?

04:38:01.080 I'm asking you a question.

04:38:02.160 I'm asking you a question.

04:38:02.480 You can't have a conversation because all she does is ask for definitions of words. 1.00

04:38:06.040 Jay, what's a gamete?

04:38:06.500 I want to know, help me understand your position.

04:38:09.040 Can you help me understand your position?

04:38:10.240 I would love to, but you guys keep interrupting me and won't engage with me.

04:38:12.540 Do you think that words are purely subjective?

04:38:14.960 Like definitions, are they just subjective?

04:38:16.920 No, they tend to be arrived to by like social concession.

04:38:19.700 However, scientific words typically are operationally defined.

04:38:22.980 So how do you know that?

04:38:25.340 You claim these things, right?

04:38:26.520 You asserted that.

04:38:27.300 How do you know that to be the case?

04:38:28.560 Are you just going to go down some epistemic claim?

04:38:29.560 I want to know how you know these things.

04:38:31.020 I think therefore I am.

04:38:32.520 That's how I know.

04:38:32.880 Can you tell me how you know that?

04:38:34.280 You just spit stuff out, but how do you know that?

04:38:36.720 And what constitutes that knowledge? 1.00

04:38:38.320 Jesus fucking Christ, dude. 0.99

04:38:39.480 Okay. 1.00

04:38:39.620 So you're just going to cuss, but you don't know. 1.00

04:38:41.980 No, I'll answer you as well.

04:38:43.820 How do we know?

04:38:44.700 Okay.

04:38:44.960 What was the statement?

04:38:45.880 How do I know that? 1.00

04:38:47.940 You literally just machine gun bullshit nonstop. 0.99

04:38:51.080 How do you know any of those things? 0.99

04:38:52.660 What's your justification for those claims?

04:38:54.300 What's your epistemic system?

04:38:56.140 Epistemic justification.

04:38:57.120 What is it?

04:38:57.640 Typically I observe things.

04:38:59.020 There's not like epistemic systems that you subscribe to.

04:39:01.220 The same way that we all know things.

04:39:02.580 You observed.

04:39:03.080 How do you know that your microphone exists in this world?

04:39:04.900 All the things that you stated you observed.

04:39:06.040 How do you know that your microphone exists?

04:39:07.720 All the things you stated you observed.

04:39:09.140 How do you know that your microphone exists?

04:39:09.920 That's a two quote, right?

04:39:10.600 I'm just curious how you, Jay, know that your microphone exists.

04:39:13.560 Or does it not?

04:39:14.080 So your answer to my question is to ask me a question.

04:39:17.440 Yeah.

04:39:17.700 That's called Socratic engagement. 0.52

04:39:20.180 Have you never?

04:39:20.820 Or Socrates is not a legitimate philosopher.

04:39:23.160 It's called dodging.

04:39:24.420 Oh, so Socrates is not a real philosopher.

04:39:27.420 Was he a dodger?

04:39:28.140 He's not answered most of my questions.

04:39:30.140 Does he answer my questions?

04:39:30.860 Does he answer my questions?

04:39:31.460 What's objectivism versus absolutism?

04:39:33.880 What is Agrippa's trilemma?

04:39:35.160 I just want to understand your position.

04:39:36.220 How do you solve Agrippa's trilemma?

04:39:37.820 I want to understand your position about when you say words are defined this way and this

04:39:44.800 way.

04:39:45.220 They tend to be arrived to at a social collection as well as in science.

04:39:48.960 It's operationally defined because that's the norm that we all live in, which you live

04:39:52.520 in.

04:39:52.860 That's a fallacy.

04:39:53.560 You would, of course, grant me.

04:39:55.060 That's a fallacy.

04:39:55.360 So because we all, because we all, you said because everybody says that or believes that

04:40:00.440 it's true.

04:40:01.140 That's a fallacy.

04:40:02.020 No, that's not at all what I said.

04:40:03.180 I said that we tend to arrive in terms that are like denotative by operational definition

04:40:08.820 and connotative.

04:40:10.400 How does this justify your claim?

04:40:11.220 Do you not know what these words mean?

04:40:12.340 I'm engaging at your level.

04:40:14.060 Connotatively, we typically arrive to by like some sort of social agreement.

04:40:17.260 You tell me what we do and I want to know how you know that it's true.

04:40:19.780 Do you disagree that we come to the arrival of what words mean by some level of social

04:40:23.680 agreement?

04:40:23.860 How do we come to words then in your mind?

04:40:25.880 How do we come to words?

04:40:26.320 So when you get pinned, you dodge by asking a question because you can't make any.

04:40:29.020 I have answered your question every single time and then I respond to the

04:40:33.160 answers that you don't like because you don't want to engage in a group of trilemma because 1.00

04:40:36.940 you know that you get stuck in the same position.

04:40:37.840 Why are you bringing up something about, I'm asking your position, you're asking me questions.

04:40:40.140 Because what you're doing is an epistemic walk down of self-justifying the why, why,

04:40:44.040 why.

04:40:44.400 I just want to know your position.

04:40:45.660 I have answered it six times.

04:40:47.440 Where's the justification?

04:40:48.860 You've just asserted things.

04:40:50.100 Typically, do you want me to answer it again?

04:40:51.720 You said we observe it and we all have that norm.

04:40:53.580 We do stuff.

04:40:54.260 We agree on things.

04:40:55.500 That's an appeal to society, which is a fallacy.

04:40:58.120 It's not a fallacy to say that the way that we come to connotations is by broadly social

04:41:02.680 It's not appeal to masses when you're talking about the social collection of words.

04:41:07.540 This isn't appeal to masses.

04:41:08.840 You're misusing a fallacy again.

04:41:09.900 You said the masses do it this way?

04:41:11.700 No.

04:41:12.340 I said that society arrives at these terms.

04:41:14.360 That's the masses.

04:41:14.900 How do connotative words get defined in your worldview?

04:41:18.920 That's an appeal to masses.

04:41:20.260 How do words get defined?

04:41:21.920 Oops, you got caught.

04:41:22.600 You're never going to answer a question. 0.85

04:41:24.040 Because your questions are gibberish nonsense when you get caught. 0.99

04:41:26.280 You're just a small man. 0.97

04:41:27.540 Are you going to answer a question?

04:41:28.580 That's all she has.

04:41:29.820 All I've had is multiple answers to your questions.

04:41:33.060 I've had five reasons as to how you find sex.

04:41:35.140 But you're bulked up according to your own terms.

04:41:35.580 I've outlined the difference between sex and gender.

04:41:37.680 And I've also outlined how you arrive at definitions.

04:41:40.260 Are you still bulking?

04:41:41.400 I've said it multiple times.

04:41:41.980 What's the difference?

04:41:42.400 Are you still bulking?

04:41:43.360 You're bulking?

04:41:44.280 What's the difference, though? 0.83

04:41:45.320 Oh, you're just going for now, are you fat, Joe? 0.82

04:41:47.780 Kyle, look. 0.96

04:41:48.580 You said it.

04:41:49.000 We asked you a very...

04:41:50.020 Yeah, I'm bulking.

04:41:50.340 Well, no, I ended bulking like four days ago now.

04:41:52.700 It's a very simple question.

04:41:54.260 Can someone, regardless of their sex, be any gender?

04:41:59.120 Oh, now we want to talk about real things again.

04:42:01.080 She doesn't know. 1.00

04:42:01.260 You're talking to a mentally insane person. 0.99

04:42:03.740 Which is crazy. 1.00

04:42:04.760 Because despite that, you can't answer a single fucking question that I've asked you all 0.99

04:42:07.980 I've asked you all night. 1.00

04:42:08.000 I don't owe you an answer to your dumbass question. 0.99

04:42:09.820 I don't owe you an answer to anything either. 1.00

04:42:11.580 That's what fucking debate is. 0.99

04:42:12.680 And we both agree to engage back and forth. 0.99

04:42:15.060 This is not the W that you think it is.

04:42:17.100 I have a proposal.

04:42:17.320 You look embarrassing. 0.95

04:42:18.700 You look embarrassing. 0.99

04:42:19.640 You're a meltdown. 0.95

04:42:20.000 Just wait a second.

04:42:21.520 I got a little proposal here.

04:42:23.180 Maybe we can make some headway with it.

04:42:25.200 Some ground here.

04:42:27.720 And I don't know if I'm using this term correctly.

04:42:30.300 What if we did this?

04:42:31.400 So it seems like both of you strongly disagree.

04:42:34.320 What if instead of like kind of...

04:42:35.680 Hold on.

04:42:36.260 Hold on.

04:42:36.500 Instead of like a constant like back and forth, you ask a question, he answers a question.

04:42:42.240 Ask a question.

04:42:43.220 What if I give each of you like you ask 10 questions, you respond to them without asking a question

04:42:49.420 back?

04:42:50.100 And then once he's asked his 10 questions, you then can ask him 10 questions to which

04:42:55.700 he has to respond to.

04:42:56.980 Sure.

04:42:57.360 Without like asking a question.

04:42:58.560 Is that like an internal...

04:43:00.320 That is a lot.

04:43:01.140 That is a lot.

04:43:01.380 That's going to...

04:43:01.980 Do you want to do like five?

04:43:03.240 We could do less.

04:43:04.320 We could do less.

04:43:04.880 Yeah, let's do like five.

04:43:05.080 But that might be more productive.

04:43:07.620 Is that...

04:43:07.920 Sure.

04:43:08.220 But I'm only going to answer her questions relevant to our topic.

04:43:13.000 Amazing.

04:43:13.400 So he doesn't have to answer the previous questions that he dodged.

04:43:16.360 That's how...

04:43:16.780 I'm not going to answer irrelevant questions.

04:43:19.360 If that's the caveat he's going to add to it, I refuse those grants.

04:43:21.860 That's what a debate would be.

04:43:22.960 Why would you bring in irrelevant questions?

04:43:24.760 A debate is where we both engage with one another.

04:43:26.640 Her whole thing is to bring in irrelevant questions. 1.00

04:43:28.560 Why would he not agree to that?

04:43:29.720 Did he ever answer the question absolutism versus objectivism at any point?

04:43:33.640 They don't know.

04:43:34.420 It doesn't matter.

04:43:35.180 Did he answer that question?

04:43:35.820 It's irrelevant what anyone else thinks about whether...

04:43:38.400 Do you guys know?

04:43:38.920 I don't owe you that answer.

04:43:40.300 This is how debates work.

04:43:41.660 All you're doing right now is admitting to me that you're being bad faith.

04:43:43.980 That topic is not on...

04:43:45.220 That's not today's topic.

04:43:46.560 That was yesterday's topic, dummy. 0.52

04:43:48.000 That...

04:43:48.480 First of all, we explicitly talked about that.

04:43:50.940 Today, we talked about...

04:43:52.280 How about it has to be relevant to the topic?

04:43:54.380 No, I reject that because the questions I would like to get answered...

04:43:57.160 Right, exactly.

04:43:58.080 The questions I would like to get answered are the questions I've been trying to get answered

04:44:01.300 the entire time.

04:44:02.140 The only thing you can do is talk about totally irrelevant other topics than what we're debating.

04:44:06.180 That's the only thing you do.

04:44:07.220 That's not true. 1.00

04:44:08.000 It's a tactic, and it's pure garbage. 0.99

04:44:10.580 None of that is true. 1.00

04:44:12.460 That's a crazy statement.

04:44:15.140 No, it's not.

04:44:15.880 Aging is rough for you, isn't it?

04:44:17.300 Oh, so here we go.

04:44:18.300 That's not an atom.

04:44:19.340 Are you bulking up still?

04:44:20.640 Are you bulking up still?

04:44:21.840 He looks young, first of all.

04:44:22.460 He looks in his 30s.

04:44:25.180 He does not.

04:44:26.140 He looks...

04:44:26.700 He's a handsome guy, but the reality is he's terrified of aging.

04:44:29.620 He's married.

04:44:30.020 He's like...

04:44:30.380 I'm what?

04:44:31.220 He's married.

04:44:31.600 Terrified of what?

04:44:32.340 Aging.

04:44:33.440 Asians? 0.76

04:44:34.120 Aging.

04:44:34.580 Do you have something against Asians?

04:44:35.780 And Asians. 0.98

04:44:36.300 He told me before, by the way, he was like, if there's any Asians there, I literally

04:44:40.520 can't be there.

04:44:41.360 Are there any Asian people here?

04:44:42.460 She's lying.

04:44:43.620 It's a total lie.

04:44:44.560 I actually made sure there wouldn't be any here today.

04:44:47.120 So can I ask...

04:44:47.840 I really appreciate that.

04:44:48.680 This kind of exploded, but I didn't get a clear answer.

04:44:52.220 About the Asian thing?

04:44:53.380 Yeah.

04:44:54.200 That you're afraid of Asians?

04:44:55.360 No, I don't think you're afraid of Asians.

04:44:56.640 Did I say that to you?

04:44:57.900 No, I literally just turned to Charlie and I said, just so you know, it's a joke.

04:45:00.500 Are you Asian?

04:45:02.360 God, I wish.

04:45:03.580 No.

04:45:04.040 Aging.

04:45:04.620 You were just talking about aging.

04:45:05.580 Oh, aging.

04:45:05.780 She was talking about aging.

04:45:07.320 That was me.

04:45:09.580 I made a joke.

04:45:10.780 I made a funny.

04:45:11.380 So no to the 10 questions, 10 questions.

04:45:16.460 Well, definitely 10 questions.

04:45:17.600 Okay, well, five, three.

04:45:19.140 I'm not answering any of her gibberish that's not relevant to the topic because her whole

04:45:24.380 shtick is to bring in things not relevant. 0.99

04:45:27.020 Okay, then I'll just move it on, but I do want to say that's not pussy. 1.00

04:45:32.260 Hold on. 1.00

04:45:33.000 You were talking about male pussy. 1.00

04:45:35.400 You were talking about male vaginas? 1.00

04:45:37.040 Yeah. 0.99

04:45:37.420 That's insane. 0.94

04:45:38.220 It ain't a vagina. 1.00

04:45:39.360 It's a wound. 0.99

04:45:39.840 It's not a vagina. 1.00

04:45:40.620 It's not pussy. 1.00

04:45:42.020 Okay? 0.99

04:45:42.880 It's not pussy. 1.00

04:45:43.320 It's a literal wound. 1.00

04:45:44.240 It's not pussy. 1.00

04:45:45.220 Huh? 0.99

04:45:45.580 What?

04:45:46.240 When you were describing the things like, well, if a man has-

04:45:49.140 Oh, like a mangina? 0.99

04:45:50.300 Like if he gets the vaginal plastic? 0.99

04:45:52.100 If a man has like titties and the makeup and the wig and the vagina, and I was like, 1.00

04:45:56.320 it's not a vagina. 1.00

04:45:57.320 It's not. 0.99

04:45:57.840 Don't call it a vagina. 1.00

04:45:58.760 Like a vaginal plastic vagina isn't a vagina. 1.00

04:46:01.760 No. 0.99

04:46:01.960 Is that what you're saying?

04:46:02.620 I just want to make sure I'm interested in you.

04:46:03.780 You were saying how a biological male, when they transition, change their gender from man

04:46:11.020 to woman, and they get the surgery- 1.00

04:46:14.680 Some of them do.

04:46:15.740 That's a sexual distinction. 0.99

04:46:17.380 That's not pussy. 1.00

04:46:17.660 It's not pussy. 1.00

04:46:18.560 What is it? 0.99

04:46:19.840 It's a-

04:46:20.260 It's a wound.

04:46:20.620 Oh, I guess.

04:46:21.480 It's not. 0.99

04:46:21.900 That's not pussy. 1.00

04:46:22.700 No, it's a literal wound. 1.00

04:46:23.620 It's not a vagina. 1.00

04:46:24.180 It's a surgery wound. 0.99

04:46:26.340 It ain't a vagina. 1.00

04:46:27.300 Okay, Kyla? 0.96

04:46:28.420 Okay. 1.00

04:46:28.760 Please show some respect of vaginas. 1.00

04:46:30.640 I know. 1.00

04:46:30.940 You are very passionate about vaginas. 1.00

04:46:32.280 I'm a very- 0.99

04:46:32.840 I don't mean to step on your feminism today. 0.99

04:46:34.620 I'm so sorry, Brian.

04:46:35.620 I saw your disagreement here. 0.94

04:46:36.720 Here, I could prove it's not a vagina if you think it is. 1.00

04:46:39.600 If I got the same exact surgery done right here on my cheek, is that a vagina? 1.00

04:46:47.060 Yeah, you'd have a vagina on your cheek. 1.00

04:46:48.400 Jim Bob, you got a pussy on your face, bro. 1.00

04:46:49.180 Really? 1.00

04:46:49.760 Yeah, every single person who would look at you would be like, why is that dude got a vagina 1.00

04:46:53.380 on his face? 1.00

04:46:54.040 It's a real vagina. 1.00

04:46:55.440 Yeah, everyone would look at that and think- 1.00

04:46:57.080 That's a real vagina. 1.00

04:46:57.880 Well, it's not like a cis woman's vagina. 1.00

04:47:00.300 What? 1.00

04:47:01.260 In every way- 1.00

04:47:02.640 A cis woman's vagina as opposed to what other kind of vagina? 1.00

04:47:05.680 Well, because you're saying real vagina, so I'm assuming you mean cis. 1.00

04:47:07.580 Are you on meds? 1.00

04:47:08.840 Because you literally don't seem like a sane person.

04:47:10.960 Wait, hold on.

04:47:11.580 Cool.

04:47:11.720 Are you saying that-

04:47:13.560 This is really misogynistic. 1.00

04:47:15.980 Are you saying that instead of women having mouths, they should have vaginas there instead 1.00

04:47:20.740 so they can't speak? 1.00

04:47:23.160 Ooh.

04:47:23.940 I think that's what you're getting to.

04:47:25.520 As a sole feminist here at the table, you're kind of being on the side. 1.00

04:47:29.220 Can they utilize queefs effectively to form words?

04:47:33.240 I will grant it.

04:47:34.720 I'll allow it.

04:47:35.760 Okay, then I'm okay with this world.

04:47:38.180 Oh, man.

04:47:38.740 That's crazy.

04:47:39.440 Because you're basically saying something that's an imposter is identical to the thing

04:47:43.620 itself.

04:47:44.020 Like your knowledge of philosophy.

04:47:46.740 And yours, apparently. 1.00

04:47:48.040 It's not pussy. 1.00

04:47:48.440 Do you mean how you couldn't name anything? 0.99

04:47:49.840 Do you want to-

04:47:50.320 Well, now that we're back to this topic, do you want to define objectivism versus absolutism

04:47:54.200 since you brought it back there yourself?

04:47:55.160 Oh, my God.

04:47:55.480 Look at this poor girl and her sunburn. 1.00

04:47:57.340 Holy shit. 1.00

04:47:57.720 What happened to you? 1.00

04:47:58.520 I'm driving up to me.

04:47:59.460 One drive.

04:48:00.080 One-way drive.

04:48:00.880 Guys, don't-

04:48:01.220 You should have turned around.

04:48:02.720 No, I didn't.

04:48:03.560 You were driving up here.

04:48:05.140 I wondered why you-

04:48:05.740 I wondered why you-

04:48:06.400 I was like, wow.

04:48:07.680 A skin kick turned like two weeks.

04:48:09.260 Don't throw attention to it.

04:48:10.220 Okay, Kyla, the rest of your notes here.

04:48:13.320 You did a little squiggly line to you agree men are more privileged in society than women.

04:48:19.800 That's like an iffy maybe one for you.

04:48:21.740 I think women are more privileged in a number of areas and men are more privileged in a number

04:48:24.980 of areas.

04:48:25.480 In totality.

04:48:26.800 Oh, God.

04:48:27.020 Or is it hard to say?

04:48:28.060 In totality, I genuinely, I don't know.

04:48:30.900 I haven't done the cost analysis in my head.

04:48:33.400 Okay.

04:48:33.800 Yeah.

04:48:34.020 Do you want to bite on that one, Jay, or not so much?

04:48:37.920 He doesn't want to talk about male privilege?

04:48:39.300 That's so antithetical to everything he cares about.

04:48:42.160 What?

04:48:42.900 How do you know?

04:48:44.220 Oh, sorry.

04:48:44.680 Are you really passionate about-

04:48:46.080 Well, how do you know?

04:48:47.020 I'm just assuming based on your worldview.

04:48:48.800 On what?

04:48:49.500 Your worldview.

04:48:50.540 How do you know what that is?

04:48:51.460 Well, if you're pro-patriarchy and all these sorts of things, I imagine that you wouldn't

04:48:54.720 want to say something that male privilege, men have more privilege because then you're 0.98

04:48:59.000 acknowledging something that sounds negative, but also you wouldn't want to say that females 0.96

04:49:02.680 have more privilege because that would also-

04:49:03.800 Wow.

04:49:04.060 Can you just answer the question?

04:49:05.100 Wow.

04:49:05.940 I did answer the question.

04:49:07.200 No, you didn't.

04:49:07.780 In society.

04:49:09.340 If you can't keep up with this at this point, Jay, that says a lot more about you than it

04:49:13.900 does about me, right?

04:49:15.000 Like if you think I'm a child and I'm all these like bad things and yet you also can't understand

04:49:18.720 what I'm saying, that's your issue.

04:49:20.100 No, it's literal gibberish.

04:49:21.860 Like what you say is gibberish.

04:49:23.060 I'm not speaking gibberish.

04:49:24.080 I'm speaking coherently.

04:49:25.420 It's not coherent. 0.99

04:49:26.360 You think a vagina is a gash on a face? 1.00

04:49:29.220 I get that you don't like what I'm saying. 1.00

04:49:30.840 No, it's just total insanity.

04:49:32.460 Again, I get that you don't like what I'm saying.

04:49:34.920 It's like talking to a person on this, like a bum in the street. 0.99

04:49:36.760 It's like the type of like schizo gibberish that they say.

04:49:40.620 It's equivalent to what you say.

04:49:42.540 You're saying she's homeless?

04:49:44.260 It's equivalent.

04:49:45.060 You're the equivalent.

04:49:46.800 Of being homeless?

04:49:48.500 What is that?

04:49:48.920 What do you even say?

04:49:49.700 Like mental illness.

04:49:50.540 Schizo person on the street, like it's the same level of understanding of subjectivity 1.00

04:49:55.300 that words are defined according to you and you can make them into that.

04:49:59.060 In other words, there's no truth.

04:50:00.380 It's a, A, I, I am an, I'm, I, relativism is not the opposite.

04:50:04.680 There's no standard for truth from you.

04:50:06.560 Relativism is the opposite of absolutism.

04:50:09.940 Objectivism is the opposite of subjectivism.

04:50:11.520 Kyla, do we create truth or discover it?

04:50:13.140 I'm an objectivist.

04:50:13.520 Do we create truth?

04:50:14.320 And a relativist.

04:50:15.120 Look, do we exist in both of these paradigms?

04:50:16.820 What?

04:50:17.360 That's a contradiction.

04:50:18.100 That's total insanity.

04:50:19.240 Like you said, God's a relativist.

04:50:20.280 Like when you said God's a relativist?

04:50:22.440 Remember that?

04:50:22.820 This?

04:50:23.260 Remember that joke?

04:50:23.820 This is why?

04:50:24.900 The notebook?

04:50:25.460 I don't think.

04:50:26.180 Look at the notebook.

04:50:26.920 Sorry.

04:50:27.140 When you said God is a relativist?

04:50:28.700 This is why I don't suspect that she knows anything about philosophy.

04:50:31.700 She drew something.

04:50:32.180 She draws a meme?

04:50:33.480 She draws a meme?

04:50:34.300 That's what homeless people do.

04:50:35.380 They just scribble on things.

04:50:35.900 If you guys want me to talk.

04:50:37.200 Oh yeah, just wait.

04:50:38.380 I mean, to be fair, I do. 0.61

04:50:39.660 God, our cocks are so hard. 1.00

04:50:40.360 She is correct. 0.90

04:50:40.880 I did get some scribbles.

04:50:42.440 I did see you speaking with some homeless people.

04:50:43.800 Can I make a t-shirt of that?

04:50:45.860 You were hanging out with some homeless people.

04:50:47.780 I am.

04:50:48.060 What you just said is absurd because if you hold both of those true, which one's the

04:50:58.680 true one between the two?

04:51:00.000 Objectivism and relativism?

04:51:01.220 Yeah, which one's true?

04:51:02.060 These two things are not mutually exclusive concepts.

04:51:04.520 Okay, and how is that?

04:51:06.120 Okay.

04:51:07.080 Great.

04:51:07.340 We can finally go into it.

04:51:09.000 Just so it's clear.

04:51:10.420 I want you to tell me.

04:51:11.960 Yeah, I will.

04:51:12.440 I'm not giving you the lecture like you wanted me to do yesterday.

04:51:14.600 With a field degree, you should know the answer to this.

04:51:15.840 I want you to tell me because you don't know.

04:51:18.000 Okay.

04:51:18.800 Objectivism is rooted in something like platonic forms.

04:51:21.240 It believes that there is a true sense of a concept like justice and that this is a

04:51:25.760 universal, essentially, idea or construct that exists.

04:51:29.180 Whereas relativism is way more interested in things like looking at the situation around

04:51:34.880 something to gauge whether or not.

04:51:36.260 It's essentially saying you don't have to apply all law equally to every person because

04:51:41.000 there's always so much more complicated going on to find things.

04:51:43.760 So a good example of absolutism is Kant.

04:51:45.960 He believes that basically all law should be applied equally to everyone.

04:51:49.220 This is not the same as objectivism in any way, shape, or form because objectivism just

04:51:52.740 believes that there is a true concept of like justice.

04:51:55.460 You said you were going to let me say this.

04:51:57.380 Subjectivism basically rejects that.

04:51:58.940 It's like Derrida that says there is no such thing as a true anything.

04:52:02.540 There's no such thing as justice.

04:52:04.020 There's no such thing as any of this.

04:52:05.000 And this is where like postmodernist theory comes in.

04:52:07.040 I am a objectivist and a relativist.

04:52:09.800 What are you?

04:52:10.560 You don't understand Kant because you couldn't tell me one of his books.

04:52:14.140 Oh, buddy.

04:52:15.960 Can you engage with the ideas yet?

04:52:17.320 Can you tell me what his ethic is?

04:52:19.380 He's an absolutist.

04:52:20.600 Are you asking like his golden ethic?

04:52:21.500 What's the name of his ethical system?

04:52:24.420 I don't know the name of his ethical system.

04:52:26.640 He's an absolutist.

04:52:27.420 But you just talked about Kant's ethics.

04:52:29.200 Do you disagree that Kant is not an absolutist?

04:52:31.460 Is he not an absolutist?

04:52:32.600 You don't know what his system is.

04:52:34.120 God.

04:52:35.360 Just saying no, you don't.

04:52:36.660 It's simple.

04:52:37.160 Just saying I don't know.

04:52:37.520 I literally just said that I don't know what it's called.

04:52:40.200 Right.

04:52:40.280 But is he not an absolutist?

04:52:42.200 You know Kantianism.

04:52:43.160 It's called deontological ethics.

04:52:44.500 It's deontological.

04:52:45.560 Oh, right.

04:52:45.920 It's deontology.

04:52:46.780 Do you disagree that he's an absolutist?

04:52:48.820 What's the phenomena?

04:52:49.340 Do you disagree that he's an absolutist?

04:52:50.040 You're never going to answer a question.

04:52:51.280 You're just going to run forever.

04:52:52.620 I'm showing that you don't know.

04:52:53.960 You reference things that you don't understand.

04:52:55.880 I will just keep asking you this question.

04:52:57.440 Is Kant an absolutist?

04:52:58.840 Is Kant an absolutist?

04:53:00.080 Kant is a, he believes in idealism.

04:53:02.420 Is he an absolutist?

04:53:03.360 He believes that everything is in the mind.

04:53:05.700 And so in that sense, no.

04:53:07.980 So he's not an absolutist.

04:53:09.660 You heard it here, guys.

04:53:10.520 More of a solitist.

04:53:11.180 Not an absolutist.

04:53:12.220 Great.

04:53:12.520 He believes in a-

04:53:13.100 What about Plato?

04:53:13.740 Is he an objectivist?

04:53:14.700 Let me finish.

04:53:15.500 He believes in a duty-based ethic that he thinks you can ontologize to all people.

04:53:20.820 He thinks you can universalize it, but he doesn't believe that it's absolute and it's

04:53:25.420 objective.

04:53:25.960 That's called the phenomenal noumenal distinction.

04:53:28.220 I didn't say objective, and I didn't say he's an objectivist.

04:53:30.880 I said he's an absolutist, which thank you, I guess, for agreeing with me in a really

04:53:34.360 long-rounded way.

04:53:34.480 In your definition, you said absolute was universal?

04:53:38.760 Absolutism is a universal application of law.

04:53:40.520 Kant doesn't believe that.

04:53:41.300 Thank you.

04:53:41.580 Yes, he does.

04:53:42.100 That's why he creates the paradigm for-

04:53:42.840 Kant doesn't believe that there's any universal.

04:53:44.600 He's got the categorical imperative, which is essentially lying.

04:53:47.080 He thinks lying is the only universal law that you can apply to.

04:53:48.500 That's not the categorical imperative.

04:53:49.660 It's deontological ethics that you can universalize every ethical situation.

04:53:53.660 That's not refuting anything about the categorical imperative.

04:53:55.500 It shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

04:53:57.800 I'm telling you what it means.

04:53:58.400 You're allowed to not know certain words, but you can still engage with the ideas.

04:54:02.520 You don't know the basics.

04:54:03.360 This is why, for example, you know what you would never do?

04:54:04.820 You don't know the basics. 1.00

04:54:05.600 You would never talk to me about psychology because you know you'd get fucking obliterated. 0.99

04:54:08.240 So now she has to go to the discipline that she came- 0.98

04:54:10.380 No, I'm just being mean to you now.

04:54:11.640 That she isn't here to debate because she doesn't know the discipline she's trying to debate.

04:54:16.600 Why are you talking about Kant?

04:54:17.620 You don't know any of his works.

04:54:18.840 You don't know the basics.

04:54:20.720 Jesus Christ.

04:54:21.820 Name one of Kant's books.

04:54:22.960 Knowing books is what makes you evil.

04:54:24.940 Name one writing.

04:54:25.740 That would be simple.

04:54:26.420 Just one.

04:54:27.020 I've already told you I don't know the title of any of these things.

04:54:29.940 I don't even know the title of William Costello's articles that I'm citing.

04:54:33.580 I don't memorize titles of things.

04:54:35.320 Did you read any of Kant's books?

04:54:36.600 I did.

04:54:37.100 I read one of them.

04:54:38.300 You said three earlier.

04:54:39.160 Now, which one?

04:54:40.280 I don't remember.

04:54:41.180 Was it three or one?

04:54:42.180 I think I read one.

04:54:43.680 But you said three earlier.

04:54:46.720 Maybe I was wrong.

04:54:47.740 Maybe I've only read one.

04:54:48.060 Or you lied.

04:54:49.040 No.

04:54:49.220 You just lie about what you think you know because you're on a performative debate setting and

04:54:54.640 you totally failed. 1.00

04:54:56.740 Which is crazy because you'd think that if I was such a liar and such a stupid head, you 1.00

04:55:00.000 could just answer my questions. 1.00

04:55:01.740 You just got shown up that you don't know.

04:55:03.520 You still don't know the difference between these words.

04:55:06.180 Do you want me to help you out?

04:55:07.320 You don't know the difference between these words.

04:55:09.640 You don't understand the context of the words.

04:55:10.400 You think a dunk for me is not knowing titles of books.

04:55:13.200 You came to debate topics that you don't know anything about.

04:55:15.820 Remember when we talked about Heidegger last time and we agreed that chatter is a silly

04:55:20.000 thing to do.

04:55:20.680 Come on.

04:55:21.120 Remember when we talked about that and you agreed to it?

04:55:23.680 Name a Heidegger book.

04:55:24.360 I can't.

04:55:25.160 I don't memorize book titles. 1.00

04:55:25.760 Because you've never read any of this shit. 0.99

04:55:27.560 That's not true. 1.00

04:55:28.540 You're a liar. 0.99

04:55:29.440 I'm sorry, bro. 1.00

04:55:30.080 Because you're lying and you got busted lying.

04:55:31.900 The issue is...

04:55:32.940 Name one Heidegger book.

04:55:34.040 Busted.

04:55:34.820 Careful.

04:55:35.280 I'll call you out again.

04:55:36.380 Name one Heidegger book.

04:55:37.340 I'll call you out again.

04:55:37.800 I'm joking.

04:55:38.480 Come on.

04:55:38.600 Name one Heidegger book.

04:55:40.020 Jay, this is fallacious and you know it.

04:55:41.320 Please name one Heidegger book to show that you've read Heidegger.

04:55:43.260 I don't need to.

04:55:44.200 Because you haven't.

04:55:45.100 Have you read him?

04:55:45.900 Memorizing book titles...

04:55:46.680 Have you read him at all?

04:55:48.180 Memorizing book titles is not evidence of knowing a book.

04:55:51.980 Can you define absolutism versus objectivism?

04:55:54.800 Have you read Heidegger?

04:55:55.180 You said yesterday that they were synonymous.

04:55:56.520 Have you read Heidegger?

04:55:57.320 Why did you...

04:55:57.920 Yes, I've read Heidegger.

04:55:59.160 Name one book.

04:55:59.920 I can't.

04:56:00.700 I've already told you I don't memorize titles.

04:56:02.840 No.

04:56:03.200 Can you name the difference between objectivism and absolutism?

04:56:05.280 Being in time is a Heidegger book.

04:56:05.940 Because yesterday you said that they were synonymous.

04:56:08.220 Being in time is a Heidegger book.

04:56:09.900 Last time you said that objectivism and absolutism is synonymous, which is false and you know that

04:56:16.000 that's false.

04:56:16.640 Can you define the difference between these two words?

04:56:18.600 The words can mean the same thing depending upon the end.

04:56:19.380 You were not using them in an equivocating way. 0.98

04:56:21.580 Don't even fucking try. 1.00

04:56:22.560 That's not equivocation, you idiot. 1.00

04:56:23.840 Jay, don't you dare try it. 1.00

04:56:25.140 Don't you dare.

04:56:25.900 Don't you dare.

04:56:27.060 Give it a try.

04:56:28.120 Can you name one philosophy book?

04:56:29.360 What's the difference between...

04:56:30.020 Name one.

04:56:30.520 Just one that you've read.

04:56:32.040 Just one.

04:56:32.920 Jay.

04:56:33.220 Plato's Republic.

04:56:34.100 Plato's Republic.

04:56:34.860 Just one that you've read.

04:56:35.980 Just one.

04:56:36.520 I've read parts of Thus Speaks Therathustra.

04:56:39.220 Five Dialogues is also a name of a book.

04:56:41.220 Just because I don't know the specific letter names doesn't mean that I haven't read the

04:56:44.000 five dialogues.

04:56:44.880 I could walk you through multiple dialogues.

04:56:46.620 But you've never named one.

04:56:47.780 The first dialogue is broadly about arete, which is this idea of purpose of things.

04:56:51.840 So he goes into lions and how their purpose is to kill and how forks the purpose is to

04:56:56.280 help you eat.

04:56:57.080 And so the question of the first dialogue is essentially, what is the purpose of humans?

04:57:00.880 Because they're somewhere between demons and God.

04:57:03.420 So what is their purpose?

04:57:04.420 Because it's certainly not to be happy.

04:57:06.560 That's the first one.

04:57:07.540 The fifth one, for example, goes into friendship and friendships of virtue.

04:57:11.020 And he talks about the three types of friendship.

04:57:12.940 And he asks the question, how do you achieve friendships of virtue and what are their values?

04:57:16.560 Just so it's clear, all of this proves that I've read these books.

04:57:21.340 He's just mad because I don't know the title of the dialogue.

04:57:23.380 No, it doesn't.

04:57:24.200 I'm sorry if I'm able to cite you multiple portions of what the book is about.

04:57:28.480 This proves that I have engaged with the philosophy.

04:57:30.840 You are squirming so hard because you realize that you don't know the difference between these

04:57:36.260 two words, which massively causes the question of your validity.

04:57:39.140 I've answered your question many times.

04:57:39.540 You have not even once answered the question of the difference between absolutism and objectivism.

04:57:44.680 Not once have you answered it.

04:57:46.000 What you don't understand is that those are words that can be used in different systems

04:57:50.280 based on the intentionality and the context.

04:57:52.300 Moral objectivism and moral absolutism are defined very clearly within the systems.

04:57:55.960 Now you're equivocating because you said just the words.

04:57:58.000 And those words depend on the systems that they're using and the philosophers that use them.

04:58:01.580 Nope.

04:58:01.960 You said that they were synonymous.

04:58:04.360 This is what you do throughout debates when you ask people to explain.

04:58:07.320 And they start to explain.

04:58:08.940 And you just go, nope.

04:58:10.540 Because in your mind, that's actually an argument.

04:58:13.000 You already said, though.

04:58:14.160 This is like the unironic Darvaux thing.

04:58:15.600 No, but did you hear what he said?

04:58:16.480 You do what I do.

04:58:17.540 Meany. 0.78

04:58:18.640 Did you hear what he said?

04:58:19.480 Just define the difference between these two words.

04:58:21.300 Did you hear what he said, though?

04:58:21.460 What's the difference?

04:58:22.220 What's the difference, Jay?

04:58:25.900 What?

04:58:26.520 What's the difference between absolutism and objectivism?

04:58:29.000 I don't know why you're running from this question so much.

04:58:30.660 It's fine.

04:58:31.120 It's easy to ask this question, and I can answer it based on the philosophers that are in question.

04:58:36.240 So we can talk about Randian objectivism.

04:58:38.200 That he's not going to answer it.

04:58:39.700 He's telling you that the words themselves depend on the context and the philosophers.

04:58:44.980 Nope.

04:58:45.560 Who owns the word?

04:58:46.480 He barely agreed on ideas about objectivism.

04:58:48.900 Who owns the word?

04:58:49.040 Who agreed on it?

04:58:50.260 Broadly, the philosophical body of academic literature.

04:58:52.360 So you agree, then?

04:58:53.520 There are schools of objectivism.

04:58:55.360 Broadly.

04:58:55.800 You can search these things.

04:58:57.060 Thank you for making my point.

04:58:58.100 You just made the point.

04:58:58.720 There are schools of them.

04:58:59.220 You made my point.

04:58:59.660 You just made the point.

04:59:00.500 That's not your point.

04:59:01.340 That's literally what he just argued. 1.00

04:59:02.240 I'm telling you my point, you idiot. 1.00

04:59:03.920 No, you're not. 1.00

04:59:04.520 You just made my point.

04:59:05.500 You're just running. 1.00

04:59:05.880 You're so dumb. 1.00

04:59:06.340 You're just running by obfuscating. 1.00

04:59:07.820 Look, you made my point.

04:59:09.160 I have to tell you about objectivism.

04:59:10.340 I actually have to go back 30 years to Ayn Rand objectivism, which actually isn't in the

04:59:14.120 school of objectivism.

04:59:15.560 I'm telling you that the word is used by...

04:59:16.280 You just proved his point. 1.00

04:59:17.760 You proved my point, you idiot. 1.00

04:59:18.960 No, I did not. 1.00

04:59:19.740 You just literally said what his point was.

04:59:21.860 Literally.

04:59:22.420 You mouthed it.

04:59:23.400 No.

04:59:23.560 You mouthed his point.

04:59:24.700 What do you mean, no?

04:59:25.460 I'm telling you, you did.

04:59:26.900 What's the difference? 0.99

04:59:27.180 I agree with what you said, dummy.

04:59:28.940 So you agree that there's a difference between absolutism and objectivism, that they are not

04:59:32.700 synonymous terms, and yesterday when you implied that they were synonymous terms to 1.00

04:59:35.640 get a sick dunk on me, you were fucking lying or retarded, I guess. 1.00

04:59:39.080 No, I said the same thing yesterday, that the words are used by different philosophers 1.00

04:59:43.580 and different systems, and it depends upon which one.

04:59:45.820 So you just won't.

04:59:46.420 So I said earlier that I could say that I'm individually a subjectivist.

04:59:52.620 Let's try the next one.

04:59:53.460 What's a grip of trilemma? 0.98

04:59:54.240 So you're just not going to.

04:59:55.580 Well, you won't answer that one, so let's go to the next one.

04:59:57.660 He's answering the question.

04:59:59.520 What's a gamete?

05:00:00.520 The grippas, the gametes.

05:00:02.800 What's a gamete?

05:00:03.340 I've got to read a couple chats here.

05:00:04.260 Well, if you're going to talk about sex, you should probably know what a gamete is, right?

05:00:06.220 I've got to read a couple chats.

05:00:08.060 I didn't argue with him.

05:00:09.040 Hold on.

05:00:09.900 Hold on.

05:00:10.380 Put your swords away for just a second.

05:00:13.040 We don't use those.

05:00:25.600 I guess now we know.

05:00:27.520 Thank you for that.

05:00:28.280 Appreciate it.

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05:00:57.020 Thank you, man.

05:00:57.560 Share two's entire dialogue.

05:00:59.500 Yep, yep, yep.

05:01:00.560 Use a bunch of terminology I don't fully understand.

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05:01:11.840 No, you're not.

05:01:13.640 You mimic every one of his movements all the way down to his facial tics.

05:01:17.920 As somebody who worked with him for a year and a half.

05:01:19.160 And you thought that he was actually a good debater.

05:01:21.100 That's why you mimic him.

05:01:21.960 Oh, my God.

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05:01:58.060 Thank you for that.

05:01:58.780 Um, we have Wrath coming in here in just a minute. 1.00

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05:02:27.860 Kyla, next note.

05:02:28.680 Here, you say it's sort of wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns 0.91

05:02:35.380 him down for sex. 0.59

05:02:36.720 You also, Kelly, you also agree with that if the girlfriend or wife regularly turns him 0.90

05:02:44.540 down for sex, wrong for him to dump them and that, why is that?

05:02:49.340 Here, why don't we start with Kelly, then we'll go to Kyla.

05:02:51.500 I think the pressure of having to engage in sexual activity shouldn't rely so much on the destiny of a relationship.

05:03:02.480 Like, I feel it's not fair, essentially.

05:03:06.840 Like, if a woman just doesn't want to have sex all the time, but she's still, like, having sex. 0.96

05:03:12.400 Like, it's not, like, all the time.

05:03:14.360 And the guy is not feeling satisfied and is putting pressure and is putting the whole relationship in jeopardy because of that one soul aspect.

05:03:22.620 I think it's very shallow.

05:03:25.080 Okay, very shallow.

05:03:26.660 There's so much more to a relationship than sex.

05:03:30.200 So much more.

05:03:31.280 Would you, would you, uh, yourself be in an asexual relationship?

05:03:35.340 No.

05:03:38.080 Well, that's very, rather shallow.

05:03:39.920 Why are you asking that?

05:03:40.800 Why are you asking that?

05:03:41.720 Well, you're saying that, so, I mean, I agree with you that there's more to a relationship than just sex.

05:03:49.200 Absolutely.

05:03:50.320 But it's just kind of interesting.

05:03:52.680 You, you yourself, I'm, well, I guess it's not a.

05:03:56.960 What priority, I guess, would be a good question.

05:03:59.400 Like, if there, if we all agree that a relationship is, uh, composed of various aspects, if sex, I would say most people argue that it's a fairly important, depending on their age, uh, aspect.

05:04:11.900 So what level of importance in, like, one to ten is, uh, regular sex? 0.51

05:04:17.100 Um, I would say, like, the top three.

05:04:20.640 But it's not, it shouldn't determine the destiny of a relationship.

05:04:24.940 I don't think it's fair.

05:04:26.020 I have, I have a follow-up question.

05:04:27.380 If a girlfriend of yours came to you and said, I'm dating this guy, things are otherwise pretty good, but, uh, I want to have sex, and he's not giving me sex, would, and she was contemplating breaking up with him, would you?

05:04:43.160 Oh, like, definitely say that's not okay.

05:04:46.080 Like, you should have a conversation with him.

05:04:48.480 Okay, I guess it's consistent.

05:04:49.120 You should be, uh, at least having a conversation, mention it, and if you were able to work through it and try to.

05:04:56.240 What, what does working through it look like, though, when one person, whether man or woman, wants to have a higher frequency of sex in a relationship and the other doesn't?

05:05:06.180 Well, finding a compromise, um, maybe perhaps the person is working so much and they don't have time to just be home and having sex all the time.

05:05:14.820 And maybe the other one is not, you know, they're stay at home or, you know.

05:05:17.540 If, if a guy, uh, was dating a woman and he stopped paying for dates, would that, and she wanted him to pay for dates, would that be sufficient justification for her to dump him?

05:05:30.240 If that's her top three and she doesn't like it, then that's her.

05:05:36.580 If it's free will, yes, she can.

05:05:39.140 Well, but so you indicated it was wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex.

05:05:45.460 Let me change it a little bit.

05:05:46.580 Let's say it's a dead bedroom and they're not having sex at all.

05:05:50.740 She, and it's on her part, right?

05:05:53.040 He wants to keep having sex, but she's just not, she's not about it. 0.62

05:05:57.340 Justified to break up or end the relationship.

05:05:59.900 I would say especially even for marriage, um, you're supposed to really work through things.

05:06:05.420 It's till death do us a part and to just really break something without working through it and trying to find a compromise or middle ground.

05:06:14.120 Or maybe there's a reason why they're depressed.

05:06:16.320 They're not really focused in, uh, in their sexual activity.

05:06:19.400 There's so many things to talk through.

05:06:21.440 Then it's not just surface level black and white.

05:06:23.580 Well, um, sure.

05:06:25.900 I guess there could be problems.

05:06:27.680 Uh, but what if those problems are attempted to have been worked through and she still just doesn't want to have sex? 1.00

05:06:37.500 Then that's a problem.

05:06:39.020 Yeah.

05:06:39.380 That would indicate that I would just end the relationship then.

05:06:43.500 But you would say, you would say it would be wrong to end the relationship for that reason.

05:06:47.680 I think I came from the perspective of, like, I've been in, um, relationships before where I felt pressured to engage in sexual activity and I just didn't feel comfortable.

05:06:57.580 And that was enough for them to be like, you know, this is not going to go anywhere.

05:07:01.180 And I felt pressured to give that to them to keep them around.

05:07:06.640 And I don't think that's right.

05:07:07.700 I think at the end of the day, like, a woman should be able to say no when she doesn't want to. 0.80

05:07:11.580 And there's so much more to a relationship than just feeling ultimately drawn to sex.

05:07:17.600 Yeah, I agree with you that a woman should say no and that should be 100% respected.

05:07:23.960 But I don't think I would fault the man who entered into this relationship with the expectation that it would be a component of the relationship would be that it would be a sexual relationship.

05:07:34.540 And then she's kind of walked this back.

05:07:37.600 I don't think there's anything wrong with him ending the relationship for solely that reason.

05:07:44.820 Now, question.

05:07:45.720 You mentioned, let's say it's a dead, dead bed.

05:07:48.320 They're not having sex at all.

05:07:49.820 Did this happen since the start or did it just happen towards the end?

05:07:53.360 I'd say it's usually a more progressive thing.

05:07:55.420 So it's maybe the sex life was better, then it became worse, and then it became non-existent.

05:08:00.740 So to me, it sounds like they got into a relationship, they were sexually compatible.

05:08:05.840 Now something is happening within their relationship, within themselves or the relationship that's causing this to happen.

05:08:11.720 What if the guy's not doing anything and it's just on her?

05:08:14.600 It's just her part.

05:08:17.120 What do you mean?

05:08:18.040 I don't know.

05:08:18.460 She just doesn't like, she's not into sex anymore. 0.99

05:08:23.060 He's otherwise treating her just the same?

05:08:25.060 Is that like a common occurrence for a person that's sexually active at the beginning to just suddenly be like, no?

05:08:33.080 I don't think that's very common.

05:08:34.780 I think it's actually reported pretty frequently.

05:08:37.560 I'm sure there's like a never in that.

05:08:39.760 Maybe there's a scenario in a case, but that's like an exception, I would say.

05:08:43.480 And commonly, a relationship is through waves.

05:08:47.720 You could be going through a financial instability, a job loss, a death of a family.

05:08:52.360 And like you, you're not thinking about sex all the time.

05:08:55.860 And sure.

05:08:56.420 Yeah.

05:08:56.940 Yeah.

05:08:57.340 I mean, I'm not like if, for example, like your girlfriend is sick, like let her recover.

05:09:04.060 Like, you don't need to be pressing for, you know, I think you can give somebody grace in moments of even if you're horny, like, okay, she's like feeling really terrible.

05:09:13.620 I, you know, we don't need to have sex right now.

05:09:17.680 But if it's like, if we're looking at a consistent pattern where she's otherwise okay, but she's not having sex as frequently as he would like, I don't see what would actually be wrong with him breaking up with his girlfriend.

05:09:35.840 To me, it's situational.

05:09:37.620 If they are working, they talked about it, try to work through it, and it didn't work out, then it makes sense to break it off.

05:09:44.720 If it's just, there was no conversation and it just abruptly ended things, I don't think that's fair.

05:09:49.940 Okay.

05:09:50.360 And then Kyla, your position on this?

05:09:52.060 It would basically be like, it depends on why she's withholding sex, right?

05:09:55.800 So if it's like to spite him, I think that that's a pretty good reason to end your relationship.

05:09:59.820 Like, that's a terrible relationship.

05:10:01.880 If she just had, you know, vaginal birth and she's in a fair bit of pain and needs time to heal, maybe even a fair bit of time.

05:10:09.960 I think good partners are like patient for that.

05:10:11.840 So it just, it really depends on like what her reason is and what level of steps she's taken to like rectify that issue so that they can come back.

05:10:19.940 Because partners need to have sex with each other. 0.90

05:10:22.480 It's a really important part of relationship.

05:10:24.500 What is, I mean, this, maybe this is a bit of a dicey conversation.

05:10:27.960 What is the Christian perspective on, on this?

05:10:31.640 So you guys are married.

05:10:34.260 The husband, the wife's doesn't want to have sex anymore. 0.99

05:10:39.680 I don't know what that is.

05:10:41.200 Like, do you believe in spousal rape?

05:10:42.640 That would be like the question.

05:10:44.280 Essay.

05:10:44.860 Let's try it. 0.95

05:10:45.440 No, I mean, I think that's the case, generally speaking, that Christians have a pretty good sex life. 1.00

05:10:54.020 And if that were to occur and it was a problem, that's something that could be talked about independently with a priest.

05:11:04.020 But then there's other aspects, like if someone's like sick, you mentioned, like, let's say it's a terminal illness.

05:11:14.620 I'm actually not sure what the pathway would be for expectation of sex, given that the person's not temporarily ill. 0.58

05:11:22.820 Like, does it, does it suddenly bring into question, like, do you have sick sex? 0.77

05:11:29.900 Like, do you have, like, like, I don't know how that would work, honestly. 0.51

05:11:32.800 I don't know the answer to that question for every single situation, Jay.

05:11:37.040 I mean, there's the notion of the marital debt, which is the idea that in the marital relationship, both parties are expected to sacrifice and engage in things that the other party might not necessarily want.

05:11:50.140 And that's X, that's expected when you go into the marital relationship.

05:11:54.500 So there's going to be times when that happens with both partners.

05:11:57.360 But I think that it's irrational, it's unreasonable to have the expectation that people should be always having sex, even in situations where it's, like, damaging or something like that.

05:12:09.180 So, no, there's all things within reason.

05:12:11.620 And so, yeah.

05:12:12.740 Okay.

05:12:13.780 Next thing, a woman's past should not matter to which Sophia, you agree, and then Kelly, you agree. 0.98

05:12:21.500 Can I ask just a quick follow-up question?

05:12:22.840 I'm pretty sure I'm just genuinely, genuinely curious because I don't know the Eastern Orthodox answer to this.

05:12:27.340 Do you guys believe that, like, spousal SA can exist?

05:12:31.320 Like, can a wife for, like, and assuming it's not medical, right? 0.99

05:12:34.840 It's, like, other reasons.

05:12:35.940 Can a wife say no to sex and then the man still have sex with her anyways? 1.00

05:12:41.440 Like, is that legitimate or would that be viewed as bad?

05:12:43.520 I actually, I'm genuinely, I don't know the answer to that.

05:12:45.700 I mean, she can do that.

05:12:47.520 And the expectation is that the reasons are rational, that there's good foundation for that.

05:12:53.280 What if she's just like, I'm really not feeling it?

05:12:55.960 If she persists in that, that can become a case for there no longer being a marriage, for dissolving the marriage. 0.99

05:13:02.860 But he wouldn't be allowed to, like, have sex with her anyways, despite what she said.

05:13:06.120 You can't violate people's will in that way.

05:13:08.880 Okay.

05:13:09.240 Gotcha.

05:13:09.700 Okay.

05:13:10.640 Women's past should not matter. 1.00

05:13:13.000 You agreed.

05:13:14.160 You agreed.

05:13:15.460 Why is that?

05:13:16.900 I agree with it on both parts.

05:13:19.400 Like, you just put women, but I think, like, women and men's past should not matter. 0.82

05:13:24.100 The past is the past.

05:13:26.360 Can't do anything about it.

05:13:27.520 Sure.

05:13:27.840 What about the consequences, though?

05:13:29.820 What consequences?

05:13:31.200 Of the past.

05:13:32.060 You don't think that matters?

05:13:34.200 Like, what consequences?

05:13:36.980 Like, people's actions?

05:13:38.480 Like, who they've been with?

05:13:40.240 If they've had kids with other people?

05:13:42.060 Like, nothing in the past matters?

05:13:44.860 I mean, if we're talking about kids, like, obviously the kids are going to be a part of the picture.

05:13:49.340 I guess I'm confused.

05:13:50.460 Like, I'm just talking about, like, body counts.

05:13:53.180 Like, body counts.

05:13:53.780 People you've been with.

05:13:54.740 Like, things you might have done that you wouldn't do now.

05:13:58.160 How do you, how would you determine that that doesn't have a consequence on you, let alone someone else?

05:14:04.120 You wouldn't, but I wouldn't judge somebody based on what they've done in the past.

05:14:07.580 You would have had AIDS or something.

05:14:11.380 That's, okay, yes.

05:14:13.900 Okay, cool.

05:14:14.540 No consequences.

05:14:15.340 It does matter.

05:14:16.240 And then, your answer, why a woman's passion not matter? 0.89

05:14:20.560 I also agree that it should be women and men.

05:14:22.860 I just think anyone's past is their past.

05:14:25.260 Sure.

05:14:25.640 If you're focusing, obviously, no, I think you should definitely take into account, like, if it's a huge mistake they did.

05:14:32.120 But I don't think, if they're working through it and they're trying to change, what's there to keep bringing it up?

05:14:40.460 Three questions.

05:14:41.420 A couple questions for the both of you.

05:14:42.840 So, within the context of body count, right?

05:14:46.460 Because I could give a bunch of examples. 0.57

05:14:47.980 But when it comes to body count, to you, Sophia, would you date a guy who previously had sex with men? 0.94

05:14:57.500 Yeah. 0.91

05:14:58.140 I mean, if they're bi.

05:14:59.400 You wouldn't have, yeah, sure, he's bi.

05:15:01.620 You wouldn't have any issue with it?

05:15:04.780 No.

05:15:05.180 There wouldn't be some component of a man who just had, I'm not going to say it, but just had carnal knowledge of a man a week before meeting you.

05:15:21.860 That's sexuality.

05:15:23.980 That would be that they're bi and they chose to be with a man.

05:15:27.440 And now, a week later, they're choosing to be with a woman.

05:15:29.620 I don't feel like.

05:15:30.100 You wouldn't make any, like, so you would date a guy who has.

05:15:34.420 I would date a bi man, yeah.

05:15:35.600 Okay, fair.

05:15:36.520 And then, Kelly, would you date, you're old school and traditional, would you date a guy who previously slept with a man?

05:15:46.200 So, I feel like the old school, traditional, like, it's being, like, labeled entirely for me.

05:15:51.860 Okay, forget that.

05:15:52.560 That was just some banter.

05:15:53.820 No, I got you.

05:15:54.600 But I would say, yes, I'm open-minded towards sexuality.

05:15:57.800 Okay, so you would date a guy who gets. 0.96

05:16:03.280 Had sex? 0.99

05:16:04.120 Has sex. 0.99

05:16:05.180 I have. 0.94

05:16:05.640 It's not sex. 0.96

05:16:06.680 Pee-pee in the poo-poo. 1.00

05:16:07.360 Wait, you've had sex with gay men? 1.00

05:16:09.580 No, no, no. 1.00

05:16:10.200 Bisexual men.

05:16:11.360 Bisexual.

05:16:12.240 So. 0.82

05:16:13.780 They're also gay. 0.98

05:16:16.520 I just, the gay, to me, seems like they just only like men. 1.00

05:16:20.980 How about this?

05:16:21.140 Bisexual is, like, indicating. 0.91

05:16:22.440 Would you, past doesn't matter, would you date a guy who cheated? 0.83

05:16:29.300 I did.

05:16:30.920 Sure, you did, but is it your preference?

05:16:33.140 Like, would you prefer to date a guy who has no history of infidelity or a guy who has cheating on every single girlfriend he's been with?

05:16:42.560 No, I wouldn't want to be with a cheater.

05:16:45.440 Okay, what about you?

05:16:46.080 Yeah, no, I can agree with, like, the cheater thing and all of that.

05:16:51.800 I guess when I'm looking and answering that question, I'm not thinking that deeply into it.

05:16:56.500 I was, like, thinking about the rest of your questions.

05:16:59.260 Okay. 1.00

05:16:59.880 But just to be clear, you guys would date a guy who gets fucked in the ass. 1.00

05:17:05.520 A bisexual man. 1.00

05:17:06.460 Just say, I want you to repeat after me. 0.94

05:17:08.660 I will date and S the D of a guy. 0.88

05:17:13.200 I don't think it's crazy.

05:17:13.880 Well, no, you guys soften what it is.

05:17:16.240 You try to make it like it's a sexuality.

05:17:18.320 It's not even sex.

05:17:20.440 All right.

05:17:20.900 It's not sex. 0.99

05:17:21.980 Are you just, like, sodomy or whatever? 0.98

05:17:22.960 It's literally not sex. 1.00

05:17:24.280 Wait, you're saying gay sex is not sex? 1.00

05:17:25.360 No, it's not sex. 1.00

05:17:26.280 Is oral sex not sex? 0.99

05:17:27.580 Not really. 1.00

05:17:28.060 So penetration is not sex?

05:17:29.520 Of any kind. 1.00

05:17:30.000 It's, like, some type of sodomy or mutual masturbation. 0.99

05:17:33.320 Even if they reach orgasm, it's still not sex? 0.99

05:17:35.260 If I reach orgasm from banging a refrigerator, is it sex? 0.86

05:17:37.960 You guys heard it here. 1.00

05:17:39.060 If you want to be pure and stay a virgin, just fuck in the ass. 1.00

05:17:42.360 If I've been sexual activity, then you're safe. 1.00

05:17:43.640 No sex with them have. 0.99

05:17:44.240 Can I have sex with a tree? 1.00

05:17:45.620 I disagree with Tim Bob on this. 1.00

05:17:46.960 If you're masturbating, yeah. 0.99

05:17:48.020 Can I? 0.99

05:17:48.640 That's what I just said. 0.99

05:17:49.560 Is masturbation sex? 0.99

05:17:50.700 No. 0.99

05:17:50.880 Is sexual activity?

05:17:52.080 No.

05:17:52.440 Look. 0.79

05:17:52.900 We're talking about intercourse, what's considered sex between two people. 0.75

05:17:56.240 I did not have sex at home. 0.66

05:17:57.880 This is where the definition of sex.

05:17:59.360 The definition, you guys run with the definition, and then soften what it actually is, and then

05:18:04.300 it's a way of basically, you're basically making it ambiguous.

05:18:09.120 Like, you're making it like, oh, it's just this thing that they do.

05:18:11.940 For instance, Kyla, are you, like, in favor of homosexuality?

05:18:15.980 What do you mean?

05:18:16.860 Like, do I personally?

05:18:18.680 Well, because you say you're a Christian, right? 0.68

05:18:20.420 Yeah.

05:18:20.820 Okay, cool.

05:18:21.040 Do I think it's fine for other people to choose to be gay?

05:18:23.240 Yeah. 0.99

05:18:23.420 Yeah, do you think a marriage between two dudes can be consummated with sodomy?

05:18:28.380 Uh, like, in a spiritual sense? 0.56

05:18:31.340 Yeah, in, like, a meaningful sacramental way.

05:18:33.460 Uh, like, at a spiritual level, I'm not sure if that would be viewed, like, legitimate.

05:18:37.160 I'm not sure my theology on that specifically right now.

05:18:40.240 Uh, because I'm not sure if I'm convinced that at a Christian level that, like, two men

05:18:44.440 can be, like, unified spiritually.

05:18:46.200 Why wouldn't you know that if you call yourself a Christian?

05:18:48.420 I don't understand.

05:18:49.120 Uh, if you want to get into, like, the theology of it, there's, like, an important thing of

05:18:52.960 understanding, like, what the key words were when they're talking about it and what they

05:18:55.960 actually mean.

05:18:56.820 We can, like, get into the accretion.

05:18:58.060 So, at least...

05:18:58.660 I don't want to get into a Greek, like, Greek apologetics.

05:19:01.140 I do have to move it on from this.

05:19:02.820 Of course.

05:19:02.920 But, uh, so going to, uh, Kelly, going to Sophia, if past doesn't matter, we're speaking about

05:19:09.380 body count, uh, like, should men not care about body count, basically?

05:19:12.580 Like, your body count?

05:19:15.020 If they want to focus on it, that's on them.

05:19:18.020 I think it's shallow.

05:19:19.000 It's shallow.

05:19:19.540 What about you?

05:19:20.200 Are we really, like, are we asking for people's body counts, like, when we're dating them?

05:19:24.780 Like, are you going on a date and being, like, what's your body count before I...

05:19:28.340 Yes, we are.

05:19:29.620 You are.

05:19:30.360 First, not even, on the dating app, first message.

05:19:34.020 It's in there, yeah.

05:19:34.380 What's your body count?

05:19:35.780 You strump it.

05:19:37.340 No, I don't care.

05:19:38.280 Okay.

05:19:38.520 I don't think it should matter.

05:19:39.280 So, if past doesn't matter, uh, what's your body count?

05:19:42.580 I've never actually counted.

05:19:44.640 Uh, we have time.

05:19:46.580 Go ahead.

05:19:47.540 Oh, my God.

05:19:48.840 Do I have to?

05:19:49.800 Yes, you must.

05:19:51.260 Okay.

05:19:52.680 Two million.

05:19:55.860 I see that.

05:19:57.320 I... 1.00

05:19:57.720 You give off fucked a nation vibes. 1.00

05:20:01.860 I love it. 1.00

05:20:01.920 Thank you.

05:20:02.960 The entire nation of Qatar.

05:20:04.920 Yeah, something like that.

05:20:06.620 It's, uh, maybe, like, half of Norway, you know?

05:20:09.300 Um, so, do you want to give us the real answer, though?

05:20:13.360 Um, I don't think past not mattering should be the reason that she outs herself to the 0.76

05:20:19.340 whole world.

05:20:19.480 Well, hold on.

05:20:19.620 Let's let her answer.

05:20:20.420 It seems like she might answer, so go ahead.

05:20:21.880 I'm just saying I'm not going to answer.

05:20:23.280 I mean, I don't really...

05:20:24.680 I'd rather not.

05:20:26.620 Do you want to do a range?

05:20:28.040 It's like, you could say between 200 and 300.

05:20:32.340 Do you want to do that?

05:20:33.000 If we can all do it, then yes.

05:20:34.720 Not just that.

05:20:35.080 I think all the women here will do that. 1.00

05:20:37.520 If they all do it, yeah.

05:20:38.680 Why do I have to be the only one?

05:20:39.740 So, why don't you go first?

05:20:41.640 Do you want to do a poll and see if all the women will actually do that? 1.00

05:20:44.080 Yeah.

05:20:44.960 Men should be included.

05:20:45.940 I kind of believe they will, so...

05:20:47.860 I think I heard Sophia say that she wouldn't do it.

05:20:51.280 I feel like, I don't know, that might have your...

05:20:54.040 I feel like you're trying to make her do it.

05:20:55.180 Do you know what consent is?

05:20:56.640 Oh, my God.

05:20:58.100 Do you know what consent is?

05:21:00.460 I didn't consent for you to wear that necklace today.

05:21:05.080 It's free will.

05:21:05.800 You are necklace-graping me right now.

05:21:07.700 Okay, so anyways, eye-graping me with...

05:21:10.000 Anyways, whatever.

05:21:11.620 Do you want to do it or...

05:21:13.220 If we pull it...

05:21:14.180 Okay, I'll ask somebody else.

05:21:15.640 Body count going this way?

05:21:17.820 I refuse.

05:21:19.920 Do you want to do a range?

05:21:21.480 No.

05:21:21.760 Like one to...

05:21:22.420 You don't have to get the exact number, but it's 10 to 20, something like that?

05:21:26.040 No.

05:21:27.720 Okay.

05:21:28.180 What about you, Sophia?

05:21:29.640 I already said I wasn't gonna...

05:21:31.660 Do you want to do a range?

05:21:32.700 Is it over 10?

05:21:34.860 Two.

05:21:36.300 The two people I've dated.

05:21:38.160 Okay.

05:21:39.100 Sure.

05:21:40.840 I believe it.

05:21:43.320 What about you?

05:21:44.440 I would, but I prefer not to say.

05:21:46.060 You...

05:21:46.380 Huh?

05:21:46.820 I would for the show.

05:21:48.140 Do it...

05:21:48.700 Wait, wait.

05:21:49.180 You're...

05:21:49.460 Lexi.

05:21:49.920 You're a homie. 0.99

05:21:51.420 You're the homie. 1.00

05:21:52.560 I can't.

05:21:52.740 You're a big fan of the show.

05:21:54.040 You gotta...

05:21:54.560 I know.

05:21:55.040 You gotta be the one.

05:21:55.620 But going into it, that was the one question I didn't want to answer.

05:21:58.880 Just more out of respect for people I date.

05:22:02.580 I just don't know if I want...

05:22:04.000 I'll tell them, but I just don't know if I want to...

05:22:06.120 Do you want to do a range?

05:22:07.860 No.

05:22:08.240 Okay.

05:22:09.480 Kyla?

05:22:09.860 I'm just gonna stick with the girlies at this point. 0.99

05:22:11.400 Yeah, no.

05:22:11.960 Oh my gosh. 0.99

05:22:12.780 Fucking solidarity. 0.99

05:22:13.900 What about you? 0.99

05:22:14.640 I feel like... 1.00

05:22:15.460 Yo, be a fucking legend. 1.00

05:22:17.400 Be a legend. 1.00

05:22:17.960 So, I am voluntarily celibate, so I've been with like 10 to 15 max.

05:22:24.820 Guys, W's in the chat for 10 to 15.

05:22:28.360 I say W's the opposite. 0.95

05:22:29.820 I think it's progress that this show has progressively produced women who have acquired some level of

05:22:35.680 maybe shame or maybe they don't want people to...

05:22:38.440 Maybe it's the case that it actually does matter that maybe there's a reason you don't

05:22:43.560 want people to know that it's not just personal.

05:22:46.720 I understand that aspect, but there is something about it that kind of has a sense of a devaluing

05:22:52.880 for yourself, and I think this still applies to men.

05:22:57.220 It's not in the same way, but I think it's a good thing for women to stop celebrating their 1.00

05:23:03.060 body count or stop even feeling like they should share it.

05:23:06.720 Let's test this.

05:23:07.900 If you guys...

05:23:08.620 If I asked you off show later, would you tell me what your body count is?

05:23:11.860 Would you be comfortable letting me know?

05:23:12.800 I'd rather not know.

05:23:13.600 Would you let me know privately?

05:23:14.660 I probably would, yeah.

05:23:15.820 Okay.

05:23:15.960 I just genuinely think it's none of anyone's business.

05:23:19.080 Like I said past shouldn't matter, which means the numbers shouldn't matter.

05:23:22.700 Gotcha.

05:23:23.020 Would you share with me your body count privately off afterwards?

05:23:25.720 I wouldn't.

05:23:26.180 Would you share with me privately?

05:23:28.500 No.

05:23:29.340 The body count.

05:23:30.080 Okay.

05:23:30.320 So I don't know if it's shame that's doing this necessarily, right?

05:23:32.960 Like sometimes it's shame.

05:23:34.020 Well, I'll say it's because it's shame.

05:23:34.940 Mine isn't insanely high, but I would say it a hundred percent comes from a place of shame.

05:23:38.920 I just think...

05:23:39.620 I mean, for me, with my religious beliefs, I think anything outside of marriage is shameful.

05:23:43.680 Wait, are you Christian?

05:23:44.800 I'm Christian, yeah.

05:23:46.260 When you say you're religious, are you waiting until marriage?

05:23:49.900 That's something I'm trying to figure out.

05:23:51.120 I kind of want to.

05:23:52.040 After my whole, the whole celibacy thing with the Muslim guy, I'm kind of like, well, maybe 1.00

05:23:57.060 I should.

05:23:57.660 How long have you been celibate?

05:23:59.660 Like a year and a half.

05:24:01.060 A year and a half, okay.

05:24:01.760 A year and a half years, yeah.

05:24:03.700 Question, though.

05:24:04.360 If you were asked on a date privately, not on this podcast, if a guy genuinely asked you

05:24:09.080 because he wanted to know what your body count is, would you then answer, give the answer?

05:24:13.860 Yeah.

05:24:15.660 Wait, sorry.

05:24:16.380 What?

05:24:16.560 I was thinking of a different question.

05:24:18.180 If you were on a date with a guy, you're not on a podcast, he's just asking you privately,

05:24:22.200 would you give him the answer?

05:24:23.400 Oh, no.

05:24:24.620 You wouldn't?

05:24:25.540 No, I just said that I don't think it matters.

05:24:28.360 Right, but it matters to him.

05:24:30.560 Then he, I don't know what to tell him.

05:24:33.600 So let's say he's the perfect guy.

05:24:35.580 Perfect guy, but you don't know.

05:24:39.880 I mean, I guess you could like try to suss it out by being like, well, what would be too

05:24:43.980 high of a body count for you?

05:24:45.120 Perfect guy, but in order for this courtship to progress, he wants to know, and he's going

05:24:51.020 to want an answer.

05:24:53.080 Would you tell the perfect guy your body count?

05:24:55.080 And it could go either way.

05:24:56.520 It could be like, he's like, that's acceptable or it's not acceptable.

05:24:59.560 So would you tell him then?

05:25:01.800 No.

05:25:02.540 So wait, you would lose that.

05:25:04.280 So you'd lose out on the perfect guy and he might be totally fine with your body count,

05:25:10.660 but you don't know until after you tell it to him.

05:25:12.880 You lose out on the perfect guy because you wouldn't want to reveal how many sexual partners.

05:25:17.580 What makes him so perfect?

05:25:18.540 Like, why is he forcing me to tell him something?

05:25:20.680 I don't know.

05:25:20.900 What's the perfect idea?

05:25:22.120 Whatever that is, that's how perfect he is.

05:25:25.360 Also, if it didn't matter, you would actually say it.

05:25:27.860 For instance, like, does it matter what type of like meals you like necessarily?

05:25:34.000 What does that have to do with people?

05:25:35.620 What kind of, what's your favorite meal?

05:25:37.540 What does that have to do with body count?

05:25:41.220 I'm giving you an example of something that doesn't actually matter.

05:25:44.520 What's your favorite meal?

05:25:45.540 I don't think it matters.

05:25:46.620 High value traditional men don't ask those types of questions from the jump.

05:25:50.480 Well, no, I wouldn't want to actually, I wouldn't want to ask that.

05:25:52.740 No, they don't.

05:25:53.180 I'm not.

05:25:53.640 They don't, Brian.

05:25:54.980 Uh, yes.

05:25:55.500 Actually, I think a high value traditional guy, this would be a perfectly acceptable metric

05:25:59.960 by which he could make a determination as to whether he'd want to date.

05:26:03.140 Are you dating anybody?

05:26:04.260 How would that be relevant?

05:26:05.200 I would grant you not off the jump, but eventually they're going to.

05:26:08.500 Are you single, Brian?

05:26:09.980 Yeah.

05:26:10.140 How would that be relevant to the argument at hand?

05:26:12.160 It's relevant because you're saying that this is a good metric, but if you're single,

05:26:16.300 I'm saying like, I'm not going to go to some homeless person for a class in real estate.

05:26:20.200 Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

05:26:21.840 Me?

05:26:22.240 Yeah.

05:26:22.900 I'm pro, it's none of my business.

05:26:25.020 That's it.

05:26:25.340 Okay, you're pro-choice.

05:26:26.020 That's it.

05:26:26.380 That's the end.

05:26:27.120 That's my argument.

05:26:28.120 So, okay.

05:26:28.760 It's none of my business.

05:26:29.640 I'll ask a different way.

05:26:31.200 Are you fine with other women getting abortions?

05:26:34.160 It is none of my business.

05:26:36.800 That is my, that is my answer.

05:26:38.460 I'm telling you that is my answer and it's not changing.

05:26:40.960 It is none of my business with other people.

05:26:42.840 How about this?

05:26:43.720 Do you, if, if there was a vote that the government, that it was a vote to the populace, the entire

05:26:49.040 populace, yes, abortion should be legal.

05:26:51.340 No, abortion should be outright banned.

05:26:53.540 Do you say yes, abortion legal or no ban abortion?

05:26:56.760 Legal because it's none of my business.

05:26:58.560 Okay.

05:26:58.880 So you're pro-choice, but you have that opinion on it, right?

05:27:01.640 It's none of my business.

05:27:02.660 Yes.

05:27:05.020 Is there any position that you have, like, is there any topic that you have any position

05:27:10.400 on?

05:27:11.420 Yeah.

05:27:11.700 I think, um, gay people should be allowed to marry. 0.93

05:27:15.520 I think, I think sex between, by saying that, for example, to go back, um, saying that sex 0.97

05:27:23.000 between two men, for example, isn't actually sex. 0.50

05:27:25.580 You're basically saying is rape, is rape, is if a man rapes, no, sorry, sorry, no, that's

05:27:31.540 not true.

05:27:32.060 If, if a man essay is another man, I'll stick it to the specific topic we're having though.

05:27:36.340 So, uh, do you have any political leanings whatsoever?

05:27:39.600 I do.

05:27:40.080 I'm left leaning.

05:27:41.520 You're left leaning.

05:27:42.180 Okay.

05:27:42.400 What do you think about like the war in Ukraine?

05:27:44.540 Like, is it bad?

05:27:45.920 I'm truthfully not informed on the war in Ukraine.

05:27:48.100 Okay.

05:27:48.380 Is war bad?

05:27:48.940 Um, it depends if it's an objective evil, like the Nazis in World War II. 0.75

05:27:54.120 It's none of your business war.

05:27:55.000 I would say that war is justified. 1.00

05:27:56.920 She's given multiple opinions throughout this entire conversation.

05:27:59.700 She like.

05:27:59.920 Which means it is her business.

05:28:01.100 No, you can have the opinion that she wants to like basically abstain from an opinion on

05:28:05.160 one thing, right?

05:28:06.160 Like you're allowed.

05:28:06.740 It's a, it's a performative contradiction that he just, yeah, it is to vote on something

05:28:10.300 is to say it is your business because you're participating in a way that it makes it your

05:28:14.200 business.

05:28:14.320 She's essentially saying it's free will.

05:28:14.760 She would probably prefer it to be between the doctor and the woman, but she's not really

05:28:17.660 interested in telling others.

05:28:18.480 If it wasn't, if it really wasn't any of your business, you actually wouldn't vote at all on it.

05:28:23.620 I would do my civic duty and vote.

05:28:25.640 So it is your business.

05:28:27.860 No, that's what are you talking about?

05:28:29.740 No, it's between, it's between a woman and her doctor. 0.95

05:28:32.080 Who's your women or their women? 1.00

05:28:33.900 Them.

05:28:34.460 Like a woman and her doctor. 1.00

05:28:36.280 A stranger?

05:28:37.420 Is that her business?

05:28:39.240 A woman and her doctor.

05:28:40.340 Is your vote in, is your vote?

05:28:42.200 I'm giving you the answer.

05:28:43.000 Is your vote influencing another woman?

05:28:45.420 Her business?

05:28:47.800 If my side wins, then yes.

05:28:49.780 So you, so it is your business.

05:28:51.260 There's no way escaping this.

05:28:54.060 I'm just trying to say that like, if somebody has an abortion, they shouldn't have to tell

05:28:59.540 anybody or justify it.

05:29:01.500 Look, the point I was trying to make, the point I was trying to get at is you're trying to

05:29:05.060 say, well, Brian, uh, are you, are you currently in a relationship?

05:29:08.180 Because who are you to speak on this?

05:29:09.860 So in any case, you're pro-choice, right?

05:29:12.240 So you're in favor of abortion.

05:29:13.940 So frame it that way.

05:29:14.780 Yes.

05:29:15.160 Sure.

05:29:15.400 I'll just go ahead and frame it that way.

05:29:16.680 Have you had an abortion?

05:29:18.180 No.

05:29:18.800 Okay.

05:29:19.160 So why are you allowed to make a determination on whether abortion should be legal or not,

05:29:23.860 despite you never having had an abortion?

05:29:26.600 In that same way, that was a rhetorical question.

05:29:29.060 In that same way, my relationship, my, my personal relationship status would have no bearing

05:29:35.360 on my ability to make a determination as to like, what would be, uh, perhaps good conduct

05:29:41.960 on someone else's behalf.

05:29:43.860 No traditional woman will ever wear her body count on her sleeve. 1.00

05:29:48.000 Would a traditional, so?

05:29:49.480 I'm saying that you guys seem to like, you guys want traditional women. 1.00

05:29:52.420 No traditional woman will ever tell you her body count on the first date. 1.00

05:29:56.280 That's maybe like third or fifth date, but the first date, you're tripping.

05:29:59.540 If we take it to the ultimate, I mean, a traditional woman would be a virgin. 1.00

05:30:05.020 Like if we, if we look at the ultimate manifestation of like a traditional woman, she would be a 1.00

05:30:09.160 virgin.

05:30:09.520 Her body count would be zero.

05:30:10.820 I don't see why she would be. 0.99

05:30:12.020 Well, there's lots of traditional women that fuck up according to their own worldview, 1.00

05:30:14.760 right? 0.99

05:30:15.220 Yeah.

05:30:15.380 I think you can still be a traditional woman and not be a virgin, but this idea that the

05:30:20.300 traditional woman would not share her body count is dubious.

05:30:24.980 I disagree.

05:30:26.160 Why?

05:30:26.520 Okay.

05:30:26.820 Why?

05:30:27.060 Because it's, why should somebody have to say that on the first date?

05:30:33.180 That's not real.

05:30:34.260 Nobody said that on the first date.

05:30:35.200 Yeah.

05:30:35.400 That's what she's been saying.

05:30:36.240 No, you said the first date.

05:30:37.100 Sure.

05:30:37.360 I'll take the position.

05:30:38.000 You said the first date.

05:30:38.440 You guys have been saying the first date.

05:30:40.080 Yeah.

05:30:40.260 I think it's totally fine to ask.

05:30:41.500 It's fine to ask before the first date.

05:30:44.180 Before?

05:30:44.760 Yeah.

05:30:45.020 If you're messaging or something, you can ask that before.

05:30:48.040 You know what?

05:30:48.540 I agree with you on that. 1.00

05:30:50.580 That way I can unmatch you quick as fuck the moment you ask that. 0.99

05:30:53.740 If, if you were a woman who also, who also was like, yeah, I think body count matters. 0.99

05:30:59.400 I don't think most women are going to have an issue with that question being asked. 1.00

05:31:02.900 I'd be pretty aware of that.

05:31:03.860 I think most people have an issue with that.

05:31:04.940 So it does matter.

05:31:05.820 They have an issue with it because it's a reflection.

05:31:08.460 It's a reflection of your own promiscuity.

05:31:10.720 Well, what's your body count, Brian?

05:31:12.540 How would that matter?

05:31:13.780 Because I'm asking you.

05:31:15.080 Let's say, let's say it's a thousand.

05:31:16.960 Why would it matter?

05:31:19.360 Give me a real body count.

05:31:20.860 You asked for her real one.

05:31:22.260 If, if it was a thousand or if it was zero, why would it matter?

05:31:26.440 Exactly.

05:31:27.540 No, I'm saying, why would it matter as it pertains to my argument?

05:31:33.000 It doesn't.

05:31:34.160 Do you think, okay.

05:31:34.820 Do you think murdering somebody is bad?

05:31:36.920 Body count doesn't matter.

05:31:37.700 Do you think murder is bad?

05:31:38.780 That's crazy.

05:31:39.500 Yes.

05:31:39.800 Have you ever murdered somebody?

05:31:41.360 No.

05:31:41.860 Oh, so why are you allowed to have an opinion on murder if you haven't murdered somebody?

05:31:45.660 If, because it's bad.

05:31:46.760 Look, if, if body count, look, it's really simple.

05:31:48.820 If body count didn't matter and someone, uh, you're, you're texting someone for a potential

05:31:53.640 date and they also thought it didn't matter, but their position was because it doesn't

05:31:57.640 matter, I could ask it.

05:31:58.780 It's, it's a, it's either or.

05:32:00.440 So why wouldn't you just answer it?

05:32:02.240 Well, she already conceded that you could ask it by third or fifth date.

05:32:05.300 No, but she said, I would, I would unmatch, right?

05:32:08.140 It'd be really weird.

05:32:09.060 If it doesn't, within like the first two hours of talking to somebody, they ask your

05:32:13.180 body count.

05:32:14.020 It's her position.

05:32:14.780 Hold on a second.

05:32:15.360 It would be weird.

05:32:16.200 I know you're talking for her.

05:32:17.620 That's weird.

05:32:18.680 So really you've, you've, you'd like to, you'd like to, you'd like to pop it.

05:32:22.680 Hold on.

05:32:23.620 Number one, you said that I'm the exception because I'm the debater.

05:32:26.460 So it's reasonable. 0.76

05:32:27.000 You're exceptionally annoying. 1.00

05:32:28.200 Shut up for a second. 0.99

05:32:28.960 You also, both of you have been bandying back and forth together when you get stuck on a 1.00

05:32:33.220 question.

05:32:33.480 So it's completely reasonable that I can answer and help her out with her answers when she's

05:32:37.420 dealing with people.

05:32:38.160 It sounds like you're, it sounds like you're saying on the, like early on, it's very aggressive,

05:32:43.220 right?

05:32:43.660 It's like, it's like personal, right?

05:32:45.500 I agree with that.

05:32:46.340 Okay.

05:32:46.880 But if it doesn't matter, like, it's almost like, how would it be different than saying,

05:32:53.400 um, you know, what, what's your favorite color?

05:32:55.460 That doesn't really matter either.

05:32:56.800 I can say that later on, as you get to know the person, it can't, it should be a conversation

05:33:01.800 worth discussing.

05:33:02.660 So it doesn't matter.

05:33:03.560 But on the very first date or even before that, absolutely not.

05:33:07.960 Fine, fine.

05:33:08.720 But you're, you are agreeing that it does matter because it actually warrants a type of conversation.

05:33:13.960 Not does matter.

05:33:14.500 When I say does matter, I don't mean it does matter as in that's a make or break.

05:33:19.540 I'm saying it does matter as in if that truly is something you care about, as I get to know

05:33:24.220 you, I'm open to sitting down, having a knee to knee conversation and talking to you about

05:33:28.260 it.

05:33:28.400 Do you, uh, is hookup culture good or bad?

05:33:31.780 It's bad.

05:33:32.560 It's bad.

05:33:33.200 Okay.

05:33:33.620 So why would a conversation, which would tend to move a person away from wanting to date

05:33:39.520 somebody who engaged in hookup culture, this would be a form of social shaming. 0.99

05:33:44.500 Why, why would it be view if you were like, oh yes, hookup culture, bad promiscuity, bad.

05:33:49.180 Why would it be bad for a guy who's essentially saying, I don't want to date a woman who engaged

05:33:55.480 in hookup culture or who is, or was promiscuous?

05:33:59.100 You're basically something's saying something's bad, but you're saying there shouldn't be any

05:34:02.700 consequences.

05:34:03.280 Why shouldn't there be any consequences if to something that's bad?

05:34:07.540 Like, I'm so sorry.

05:34:08.700 Can you say that one more time?

05:34:09.520 If it's bad, if hookup culture is bad.

05:34:11.700 And as Brian explained, if the consequence of something bad is that men want to know if

05:34:17.580 you've been a part of something bad, right.

05:34:19.860 To make their, their, they're basically going to make a choice and maybe women will make the 1.00

05:34:24.760 same choice with men. 0.98

05:34:25.540 And if it is in fact bad, if we agree hookup culture is trash, um, bad things would have 0.97

05:34:31.700 consequences.

05:34:32.340 But how would you even, that, that may, that basically means we're, we're totally warranted

05:34:37.500 and justified in, in digging in.

05:34:39.600 If you're participating in something bad, it seems reasonable.

05:34:42.240 And if I can piggyback off of what Jim Bob's, unless you wanted to give her a response to

05:34:47.780 him, I'll see what you have to say too.

05:34:49.300 Uh, so if to piggyback off this, actually you, the, the framing I would give is as follows

05:34:55.560 a guy who's interested in asking you these sort of screening questions, what's your body

05:35:01.580 count or other screening questions as it relates to your past means that he's generally angling

05:35:07.800 for long-term relationship or he's not, don't take this word the wrong way.

05:35:12.540 He's, well, I'll just say he's marked you as a potential long-term prospect.

05:35:17.260 So this should actually perhaps even be viewed.

05:35:19.860 My framing of it would be, this is actually a flattering question because a guy who just 0.99

05:35:24.400 wants to fuck you doesn't really probably doesn't care what your body count is, but 1.00

05:35:28.300 the guy who's angling for long-term relationship probably is a little more invested in your past 1.00

05:35:32.780 promiscuity.

05:35:33.360 If he's inquiring as to your past, he's probably a little more invested in long-term relationship

05:35:39.840 and he's maybe more, uh, long-term he's, he has a, sorry, I'm no, it's okay.

05:35:44.900 It's getting late here.

05:35:45.800 So I'm kind of fumbling over my words a little bit, but he's more interested in the long-term

05:35:49.560 relationship with you.

05:35:50.900 So you can be offended by it, but I think the actual framing I would provide here is he's 1.00

05:35:55.520 actually doesn't just want to fuck you. 0.99

05:35:58.540 If he's asking about your body count, I disagree. 0.99

05:36:01.120 And I would still unmatch him, even though he might be a higher value man by his concerns.

05:36:07.220 I don't care.

05:36:08.300 So I think, I think having a guy who's willing to potentially lose a woman by having these

05:36:14.660 sorts of, uh, important, at least in his view, important conversations.

05:36:20.020 I actually think that that's high value conduct in and of itself.

05:36:25.580 A guy who's just like, I really don't want to lose her.

05:36:28.460 I'm not going to ask her any questions that might offend her, or I'm not going to make

05:36:32.160 any, uh, you know, I'm not going to state anything that might offend her at risk of losing

05:36:36.440 her.

05:36:36.800 Even though this is, this thing is something that I want in a relationship, or this thing

05:36:42.560 is something that I value.

05:36:44.320 Uh, I think that that would, that would be high value behavior insofar as, hmm, I'm willing

05:36:49.420 to lose the girl because this is, this is a boundary and a preference and a standard that

05:36:54.500 I want in a woman, and if she doesn't meet it, then I don't want her. 1.00

05:36:58.160 But I'm willing, even if I otherwise would like the girl, but her refusal to answer the

05:37:03.060 question would then preclude her from my, uh, romantic pursuit.

05:37:08.360 He's willing to pass up on a woman under these circumstances.

05:37:12.380 I think that would be high value. 1.00

05:37:13.560 A guy who's pressed for pussy and who's willing to sacrifice on his wants and desires in a relationship. 0.99

05:37:18.700 I think that's low value behavior. 0.99

05:37:21.080 Also, I don't like the high value, low value metric, like, uh, terminology.

05:37:25.580 It's kind of cringe, but just for the sake of the convo, I'll use it.

05:37:28.940 Yeah, no, for sure.

05:37:30.220 Um, saying that, oh, you don't want to answer, um, body count that precludes you from being

05:37:35.520 a long-term partner.

05:37:36.540 I accept those terms are agreeable.

05:37:39.140 That's it.

05:37:40.820 Okay.

05:37:41.300 What about other things in a person's past?

05:37:43.600 Like, do you think that, like, what if he had a background, like, addicted to gambling

05:37:48.880 or something like that?

05:37:49.960 Would that matter?

05:37:50.880 Chopped, gone.

05:37:51.740 We're not dating.

05:37:53.800 Unless, there's an unless.

05:37:56.240 Is, is he actively, like, does he acknowledge this is a problem and I'm in, like, doing something

05:38:01.800 about it?

05:38:02.320 So you're concerned with his past?

05:38:05.000 I mean, gambling, gambling, yes.

05:38:07.480 Is he obligated to tell you if he had a gambling problem and by when?

05:38:13.600 Probably when he starts, like, when we start mingling our money together, sure, that's

05:38:19.460 when I have a problem with it, is, like, when our money starts becoming, like, his money

05:38:22.880 starts becoming a lot.

05:38:23.040 So let me ask you, is it fair for you to match up with a guy and then you say, I'm sorry,

05:38:28.960 this is out of nowhere, but, uh, do you have a gambling problem out of nowhere?

05:38:33.700 You just asked that.

05:38:34.800 Would it be fair for him to answer yes or no at that point?

05:38:38.320 I mean, he can answer, he can not.

05:38:40.160 It's up to him.

05:38:41.160 I see nothing wrong with him.

05:38:42.140 But asking is justified?

05:38:45.540 Has he given me a reason to suspect that he has a gambling?

05:38:48.220 No, no, you just, no, no, you just kind of know for some reason you have in the back

05:38:51.620 of your mind as a, as a, one of the things that you want to avoid.

05:38:54.840 Yeah, it could be past-based thing.

05:38:56.300 Like, you're just like, I want to know if you have a gambling problem.

05:38:59.960 And he's like, that's, that's random.

05:39:01.880 Is he, like, he's going to be, you know, you're putting him on the spot, right?

05:39:05.080 But we're using this example because if you just swap the gambling, uh, and, and reverse

05:39:10.900 it, and a man is asking essentially a very similar question, actually, are you, do you

05:39:16.480 have a gambling problem?

05:39:17.460 Because promiscuity is, is a gamble in itself. 1.00

05:39:19.700 So, so it's like, do you have a gambling problem with your vagina is what he's asking, 1.00

05:39:24.620 right? 0.99

05:39:25.220 And so if it's fair to ask the man, if he has some sort of background problem, um, that

05:39:30.780 has consequences, he, they should be able to ask the same thing back.

05:39:34.720 I'm going to ask him if he likes it rough.

05:39:37.620 Men don't want to marry the town bicycle. 0.99

05:39:41.480 It's really that simple.

05:39:43.080 Somebody sent in, uh, somebody sent this into me to perhaps help me, uh, this will help me

05:39:48.640 better explain this a little bit.

05:39:49.820 But so basically when it comes to this, like these guys not asking you questions to potentially

05:39:55.220 screen you out, essentially women are just, and I'm reading from his, from his message 1.00

05:40:00.580 he sent me.

05:40:01.120 It's not a super chat, but it's really good.

05:40:02.540 So I want to read it.

05:40:03.700 Basically women are just really used to dealing with a thirsty white night simp men. 1.00

05:40:08.460 They're going to placate, placate you for even the chance of a bread, bread crumb of pussy. 1.00

05:40:14.980 If they actually challenge you on anything or take a position you disagree with that reduces 0.99

05:40:19.560 his chance of sleeping with you.

05:40:21.040 Like if you're some liberal chick and start talking about how you want open borders or want 0.97

05:40:24.940 to give 10 year olds puberty, puberty blockers or whatever retarded worldviews you have. 0.98

05:40:29.800 If a guy wants to sleep with you, he's not going to challenge you on that.

05:40:32.600 And that's for two primary reasons.

05:40:35.060 They want to sleep with you and don't want to upset your worldview at the risk of losing 1.00

05:40:38.500 out on the chance at pussy. 1.00

05:40:40.540 And then there's just social ramifications for men who communicate these things. 0.99

05:40:44.300 Um, so basically a guy who, it just goes back to my point of if the guy's actually willing

05:40:50.520 to ask you a question that might offend you, it would point towards him being willing to

05:40:54.880 lose you, which I think is probably would be considered. 0.97

05:40:58.940 I hate this fucking term high value, but it's a man with options, man. 0.99

05:41:04.320 Well, it's a man with conviction as well. 0.99

05:41:06.020 It shows that he's stable in his convictions and his worldview and his morals and his ethics,

05:41:10.420 which is, you know, coincidentally what women end up looking for once they figure out they 1.00

05:41:15.920 want to settle down because, you know, they're reaching that age and they realize that, you

05:41:19.760 know, their life's not going to actually turn out the way they thought it was when they

05:41:22.540 were 22.

05:41:23.040 We have some chats coming through, truly, truly, truly, he is risen, donated $69, W ortho

05:41:30.680 bros in the chat, Christos and SD, orthodox cross emoji, orthodox cross emoji, hashtag fallacy.

05:41:38.740 That's referring to her last night.

05:41:43.200 Oh, right. 1.00

05:41:44.100 Like a dick sucking joke? 1.00

05:41:44.600 Yeah, be a fallacy. 0.99

05:41:45.820 Thank you, truly appreciate it.

05:41:46.920 We have Intel Wilde here coming in.

05:41:48.920 Uh-oh.

05:41:49.600 Uh-oh.

05:41:50.500 Here we go.

05:41:50.920 Intel Wilde donated $69.

05:41:54.700 Not-so-bright's new nickname is Breastini.

05:41:57.780 She is the female version of the blue-haired meth jaw to McGregor. 0.90

05:42:02.320 Best.

05:42:02.680 He's, like, one of the best debaters in the world.

05:42:05.280 So, if you're comparing me to him, that's fine.

05:42:07.040 There's tons of body behavior mannerisms.

05:42:08.440 Is that objectively true that he's the best debater or subjectively?

05:42:12.460 Yeah, he's definitely, like, I would say most people agree he's, like, one of the best

05:42:14.880 debaters in the world.

05:42:15.560 Is that subjective or is that objective?

05:42:18.440 Next.

05:42:18.860 Hold on one second.

05:42:19.460 Jim Bob, I wish you would press them more on why people's desires matter.

05:42:24.160 Kylo was really shocked yesterday at the idea someone could oppose individualism. 0.94

05:42:29.320 A Christian humanist is insane. 1.00

05:42:31.880 Deus vaut. 1.00

05:42:34.320 Wild.

05:42:35.440 I agree.

05:42:36.640 It is wild.

05:42:37.980 But, yeah, your guys' fans are a lot like you guys.

05:42:40.880 I think in Twitter day, I had so many guys just be like, you did this fallacy and this

05:42:47.100 fallacy. 0.99

05:42:47.540 And I was like, these motherfuckers don't know what any of these words mean. 1.00

05:42:50.580 Right. 1.00

05:42:50.600 Because you're wrong.

05:42:51.760 Yeah.

05:42:52.420 Probably don't know what a gamete is yet.

05:42:53.860 You don't want to go there.

05:42:55.040 Can you tell me a book that you've read on human sexuality that's scientific and any nature?

05:42:59.580 Probably not.

05:42:59.760 Here, I'm going to move it on just for the sake of time.

05:43:01.880 Going to move it on for the sake of time.

05:43:03.420 All the postmodern.

05:43:04.380 All right.

05:43:04.720 Let's see.

05:43:05.780 We're going to do, here, we're going to do these.

05:43:07.680 What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? 0.99

05:43:10.820 Go ahead.

05:43:11.080 Ideally, maybe $100,000, but I don't have a specific, like, it's not money.

05:43:19.580 Kyla?

05:43:20.800 Tilt your mic down a little bit.

05:43:21.940 My future husband?

05:43:22.980 Well, your current husband, I guess.

05:43:25.140 I mean, for most of our relationship, he's made, like, pretty low money, but zero for

05:43:29.660 a large portion of our relationship.

05:43:31.120 You're the breadwinner in your relationship?

05:43:32.720 By and large.

05:43:33.120 I think for now, he's going to be making about $4,000 a month for this new job.

05:43:36.500 Now that our visa is through, he can get a job again.

05:43:38.540 Sure.

05:43:38.720 And has that presented, like, any issues in your relationship, or otherwise pretty good?

05:43:42.960 No, we're pretty, like, good at talking things through.

05:43:44.460 Lexi, what about you?

05:43:45.580 I said $48,000, $4,000 a month.

05:43:48.060 $48,000.

05:43:48.740 Okay.

05:43:49.000 What about you, Sophia?

05:43:50.460 I said $100,000.

05:43:51.600 $100,000?

05:43:52.160 Okay.

05:43:55.540 I don't know.

05:43:56.420 Like, I don't really think about that, if you want me to be honest.

05:43:58.580 Okay.

05:43:58.800 So you would date a man or a woman who, like, worked at McDonald's?

05:44:03.520 I mean, like, it depends how old are they.

05:44:07.480 Like, how old?

05:44:08.720 Seriously.

05:44:09.280 $30,000, I guess?

05:44:11.620 Probably not.

05:44:12.820 Probably not.

05:44:13.180 My fiance, she makes a lot of money at the job she does now. 1.00

05:44:16.520 She makes almost $200,000 a year.

05:44:18.440 Like, $200,000 a year.

05:44:19.660 What'd she do?

05:44:21.040 I can't really get into it.

05:44:22.960 Oh, you don't need to give, like, the company she works for. 0.71

05:44:25.880 Is she an attorney?

05:44:26.880 Is she a CP accountant?

05:44:28.260 She works with, um, in the federal government.

05:44:33.160 That's it.

05:44:34.140 Okay.

05:44:34.360 She works for the federal government.

05:44:35.840 So that's it.

05:44:36.820 Is she the press secretary for Donald Trump?

05:44:39.700 I can't say.

05:44:41.160 I'm not allowed to say.

05:44:42.380 Carolyn, what are you doing?

05:44:44.240 What about you?

05:44:45.340 I'd say either the same as me or more.

05:44:47.700 Okay.

05:44:49.140 And question, I forgot this.

05:44:50.380 Uh, so you, you're a singer, right?

05:44:52.580 Mm-hmm.

05:44:53.200 Uh, but do you have, like, a, while you're working on the singing stuff, do you have a

05:44:57.560 regular job?

05:44:58.400 So, uh, freelance is what I do.

05:45:00.740 So, along with performances and studio writing, I do background vocals for myself, other artists.

05:45:05.980 I get paid that, um, for songwriting as well.

05:45:08.600 I do teaching, piano, guitar, voice lessons, remote, in person, or, um, then what else?

05:45:16.500 Okay.

05:45:16.960 So, uh, how much do you make currently?

05:45:18.700 Uh, roughly, like, 5K a month.

05:45:22.300 So, like, 60,000 a year, I think that works out too.

05:45:25.240 I think, actually, even more than that.

05:45:26.700 Uh, so you would want a guy who makes $60,000 a year or more.

05:45:30.860 Is that fair?

05:45:31.600 Yeah.

05:45:32.020 Okay.

05:45:32.540 And then you say, uh, and then you said when you, when you end up making.

05:45:36.460 So, you know, when, uh, when you hit it big, how much you, how much do you think you'll

05:45:42.240 be making the whole new?

05:45:43.820 I wish, like, a lot, of course.

05:45:46.120 Half a mil?

05:45:46.400 Yeah, of course.

05:45:47.180 Okay.

05:45:47.380 Yeah.

05:45:47.860 What do you think about, sorry, I just wanted to, uh, what do you think about, like, AI music

05:45:52.040 and that whole technology?

05:45:54.140 Um, I've been asked about that frequently, actually, recently.

05:45:57.480 I think it's, I don't think it's so, so wrong.

05:46:01.140 We do get inspiration from it.

05:46:03.040 Um, I don't use it.

05:46:04.700 I'm not against it.

05:46:06.080 I do think it's, um, quite weird.

05:46:09.020 I don't know how I feel about it.

05:46:10.260 Yeah.

05:46:10.480 Um, well, they're coming for your job sooner, Jim Bob, than the music.

05:46:16.260 The, the, yeah.

05:46:17.460 Doodles?

05:46:18.060 Doodles.

05:46:18.320 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:46:19.600 Yeah, probably.

05:46:20.380 Um, although they're also going for music, uh, well, they do, but, uh, wait, so, okay.

05:46:27.480 Um, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date, starting with

05:46:31.440 you?

05:46:32.200 Um, 5'2", and I would date someone that's the same height as me.

05:46:35.680 Okay.

05:46:36.020 Kyla, what about you?

05:46:36.880 I'm 5'7", my husband is 5'6 1⁄2".

05:46:39.280 Oh, okay.

05:46:40.720 What about you, Lexi?

05:46:41.880 Um, 5'6", and 5'7".

05:46:43.840 Sophia, what about you?

05:46:45.120 I said same, 5'2", and 5'2".

05:46:47.760 All right, okay.

05:46:48.880 At least, at least one inch taller than me.

05:46:50.580 At least one inch taller than you, and you're 5'8".

05:46:52.760 Mm-hmm.

05:46:53.880 What about you?

05:46:54.460 That's when I have it during.

05:46:55.060 I'd say at least 5'10".

05:46:56.140 And you're how tall?

05:46:57.260 5'7".

05:46:58.040 Okay.

05:46:59.060 Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?

05:47:04.360 A bear.

05:47:05.500 A bear.

05:47:06.120 Okay, Kyla, what about you?

05:47:07.580 A man.

05:47:08.520 All right.

05:47:09.200 Man.

05:47:09.480 Lexi?

05:47:10.000 Man?

05:47:10.920 I said bear.

05:47:11.840 Bear?

05:47:12.840 I don't understand.

05:47:13.920 I never understood what that meant.

05:47:16.080 I don't know the discourse about it.

05:47:17.560 Like, what's the difference?

05:47:18.360 Like, literally a man or a bear?

05:47:20.260 Yeah, literally.

05:47:21.060 Probably a man.

05:47:21.900 He could probably help me get to where I'm going.

05:47:24.240 What about you?

05:47:24.740 I wrote neither.

05:47:25.940 If you had to pick, though.

05:47:29.800 Um, I don't know.

05:47:31.460 I feel like a bear is too much.

05:47:33.220 A man.

05:47:34.340 Okay.

05:47:35.460 So, to those of you who, I think it was you picked bear, and then you picked bear.

05:47:39.320 Bear, why do you pick bear?

05:47:41.060 Um, because a guy can be more thought out about what he'd want to do to you.

05:47:46.180 A bear is not going to torture you for hours, you know.

05:47:49.680 Well, they could eat you alive.

05:47:51.320 But essentially, you're saying the man could essay you.

05:47:54.060 The bear would not essay you.

05:47:55.620 Yeah, it'd be fast and painless.

05:47:57.580 And then why do you pick bear?

05:47:58.980 Because I've had an experience that would make me not choose the man.

05:48:02.840 Mm-hmm.

05:48:03.660 Um, okay.

05:48:04.520 And I've had, like, comments on my TikToks and stuff that would, that made me deeply scared of going into the forest by myself.

05:48:12.080 Yeah, but, like, bears don't have smartphones, so they can't really comment.

05:48:16.060 They'd be wildly sexist if they did. 1.00

05:48:17.860 They would say some crazy shit. 1.00

05:48:19.360 Grizzly bears, not good. 1.00

05:48:20.940 They'd say some crazy shit. 1.00

05:48:22.560 It's just based off experience. 1.00

05:48:24.180 Based off experience.

05:48:25.260 Okay.

05:48:25.800 Uh, I'm wondering if this changes anything.

05:48:27.940 Would you rather be locked in a cage with a random man or a random bear?

05:48:33.320 Mm-hmm.

05:48:34.880 Like a cage the size of this table.

05:48:38.060 Honestly, from my experience, I'd rather not, I don't, I don't want to say it, but I'd rather not be that here anymore.

05:48:47.300 than deal with what the man could do to me in the cage.

05:48:51.080 You'd, you'd, unalive?

05:48:52.340 Yeah.

05:48:53.020 I, no, I'd let the bear take me.

05:48:54.620 Oh.

05:48:54.700 Do you think that, like, most men, though, because this is, like, kind of a, a, part of the issue is that, like, men do really bad violent stuff, right?

05:49:00.900 But the, so do bears.

05:49:02.200 But the issue is that, like, A, when we hike, we pass random men on the trail all the time.

05:49:08.000 Like, most men are not seeking to do violence to women.

05:49:10.540 There's a small predisposition of men that, to be fair, most men also hate that do violence to women.

05:49:16.300 But I think most men are good, and when, like, if I was locked in a cage with a man, I'd be like, God, I hope he's not super awkward so we can have, like, at least interesting conversation.

05:49:24.880 I used the elevator situation, and someone went ahead and sent me, I'll probably just butcher the stats, but it was astronomically insane, how many elevator rides.

05:49:38.300 With a bear?

05:49:38.980 No, no, no, that would, that would occur daily, uh, between a man and a woman, alone in an elevator.

05:49:44.680 Gotcha, gotcha.

05:49:45.740 And so that's, like, it's an insane amount of, of rides, and then you, you measure it against the reported amount of, uh, of attacks or essays or whatever it is.

05:49:55.660 And, um, it's extremely low.

05:49:57.840 So, but that's why it's, like, where, where this is taking place suddenly changes everything, right?

05:50:04.520 Because if you're in a bear, you're in an elevator with a bear, like, it's, it's pretty high likely that the wrong move, you're done, whereas the amount of times you're in an elevator with a man, it's, like, it's not like the wrong move, wrong, one wrong move and you're done.

05:50:18.400 It's, like, you're probably just going to make it to your floor, so.

05:50:22.960 Yeah.

05:50:25.040 Did you want to continue with, I agree with everything you're, uh, saying on the whole bear thing.

05:50:30.760 Oh, I mean, there's a really interesting, do you know how this, this talking point came around?

05:50:35.120 So, it was actually a red pill, um, like, tech talker guy who would do street interviews.

05:50:40.500 Street interview, yeah.

05:50:41.060 Yeah, so he was interviewing a bunch of women, and he actually, most women answered a man, right?

05:50:46.860 Because that's the reason why I answered it.

05:50:47.860 The issue is that when he clipped it together, he only selected the women that said a bear.

05:50:51.540 And so then what happened is that, like, a lot of feminists felt the need to defend the girlies by being like, no, it's justified for the bear, even though it's like, no, it's not. 1.00

05:50:59.760 Guys, we don't need to die on this hill. 1.00

05:51:01.140 This is a stupid hill to die on. 1.00

05:51:02.500 Like, it's absolutely insane. 1.00

05:51:04.140 Yeah.

05:51:04.660 Are you saying that women are easily influenced by propaganda? 0.98

05:51:07.600 I think everyone is easily influenced by propaganda.

05:51:09.040 What about more so, you think more so than men?

05:51:11.240 Uh, the amount of men that are, like, watch you guys, no.

05:51:16.860 I'm sorry.

05:51:17.720 No, men can be propagandized, too, just as well as women.

05:51:20.360 We didn't ask if they both can be.

05:51:22.120 I said, who do you think is more vulnerable to propaganda, women or men? 0.85

05:51:26.040 I genuinely don't think that there's an answer to this, because the type of propaganda that sells to women is not the type of propaganda that would sell to men.

05:51:32.400 That's, the content is irrelevant to whether or not one is more influenced.

05:51:35.920 I'm saying it's equal, it's just different things will be more effective with each party.

05:51:39.780 I don't think women are more susceptible. 0.98

05:51:41.540 You're like a professional non-answerer.

05:51:43.340 It's actually a skill, honestly.

05:51:44.920 I gotta hand it to you.

05:51:45.660 It's just an answer.

05:51:46.620 I would say it is equal.

05:51:48.120 It is equal between men and women.

05:51:49.360 When the waitress says, would you like, um, do you think, do you like cream in your, your coffee or not cream?

05:51:56.920 Do you go into a big diatribe about the distinction between cream and not cream?

05:52:01.820 So we talked about this yesterday.

05:52:02.960 The answer would be milk.

05:52:04.000 The answer would be milk.

05:52:05.300 It's just like a parody.

05:52:06.200 The answer would be milk. 0.97

05:52:07.620 And the second answer to what you're actually asking here is that the world is really fucking complicated. 0.90

05:52:12.140 It's always complicated.

05:52:13.180 That's her answer to everything.

05:52:14.200 You should write a book.

05:52:14.900 You should write a book.

05:52:14.920 Is partial reserve banking simple or complicated?

05:52:18.120 Everything.

05:52:19.020 You mean fractional reserve?

05:52:20.140 Fractional reserve?

05:52:21.080 Yeah.

05:52:21.240 Partial reserve banking is another thing that happens. 1.00

05:52:23.040 Oh, shit. 1.00

05:52:23.380 Things are complicated. 1.00

05:52:24.880 Everything's complicated.

05:52:26.000 Is that your reasoning?

05:52:26.740 No, but a lot of the topics that we end up talking about in social culture is complicated.

05:52:30.760 That's why so many people have opinions on it.

05:52:33.360 Do I understand what?

05:52:34.620 Anything you're saying.

05:52:35.920 What's the difference between fractional reserve and partial reserve?

05:52:38.760 So there's a difference.

05:52:39.420 I'm sorry.

05:52:39.900 We're not going into this right now.

05:52:41.540 Do you want to answer what a gamete is?

05:52:43.740 You said it.

05:52:44.620 We talked about it.

05:52:46.020 Do you want to answer what a gamete is?

05:52:47.000 You said there's a difference.

05:52:47.260 What is it?

05:52:47.480 What about an Agrippa's dilemma?

05:52:48.320 You can't answer it.

05:52:49.200 Have you read any books on the empiricism of sexuality and bimodality?

05:52:53.040 What's the difference between fractional reserve and partial reserve?

05:52:54.880 Interesting.

05:52:55.240 So you won't answer questions.

05:52:56.940 Because you don't know.

05:52:57.420 But I have to answer questions.

05:52:58.020 How about you say stuff and you don't know what it is?

05:52:59.620 Because I don't think you do.

05:52:59.880 Why are you asking him about gametes?

05:53:01.400 Because I asked him like 10, like 30 minutes ago.

05:53:04.000 He wasn't talking about gametes.

05:53:04.040 Oh, my God.

05:53:04.300 You said there's nothing.

05:53:04.980 He wouldn't answer it.

05:53:05.420 Wait, guys. 0.99

05:53:05.920 Holy shit. 1.00

05:53:06.720 Wait. 1.00

05:53:07.160 Oh, my God.

05:53:07.820 A TTS just came through.

05:53:09.300 That's crazy.

05:53:10.100 The irony of women choosing the bear and then allowing men to participate in women's sports 0.99

05:53:14.940 and acting as if strength isn't an issue is wild AF.

05:53:18.320 Timothy, thank you for the message.

05:53:20.440 Thank you for the TTS.

05:53:21.440 I really appreciate it.

05:53:22.480 Final thing on the bear thing.

05:53:23.820 Question for you.

05:53:25.240 So you pick bear.

05:53:26.660 You pick bear.

05:53:28.580 If a white person was presented this scenario, but we changed it a little bit, and it was

05:53:36.040 instead of a man, would you rather come across a bear or a black person on a hike and the 1.00

05:53:43.580 person picks bear, the white person picks bear, instead of the black person, would that be

05:53:49.420 racist?

05:53:52.120 I think you're just making it racist.

05:53:54.040 How am I?

05:53:54.980 Well, I'm not making it racist.

05:53:57.260 It's simply just...

05:53:58.000 You're asking me if choosing a specific color versus a bear is going to be racist.

05:54:06.000 Well, I don't think, for example, it would be...

05:54:07.340 I just said man.

05:54:08.180 For example, I don't think it would be racist for me to ask the following question.

05:54:12.080 If you have a deep-seated hatred of a minority group and then you inflict a crime on that

05:54:18.000 minority group because they belong to that minority group, I don't think that would make

05:54:23.320 me racist for asking that question.

05:54:25.960 So, it's not racist in and of itself.

05:54:30.440 So, okay, look, would it be racist, though?

05:54:34.460 No, because I'd still choose the bear because I said bear versus man.

05:54:40.300 I'm based off my experiences.

05:54:42.480 I choose the bear.

05:54:43.700 I don't know.

05:54:44.300 Okay, well, then I guess I'll just ask you the question. 0.77

05:54:47.400 Would you rather come across a black person in the woods on a hike or a bear? 1.00

05:54:55.780 A bear. 0.89

05:54:57.560 Because I chose bear versus man.

05:54:59.480 Okay, all right.

05:55:00.460 I mean, she bit the bullet on that one. 1.00

05:55:02.780 So, wow.

05:55:03.480 I'm not going to change my answer because you made it into a certain situation.

05:55:10.860 Is it because the bear would give you a black eye?

05:55:13.560 Oh, she's into a rough stuff. 1.00

05:55:15.860 That's kind of a component of it.

05:55:17.400 We're talking about essay at this point.

05:55:19.260 We're not talking about rough sex.

05:55:21.500 Does it change anything if a woman or bear?

05:55:24.420 Does that change your answer at all?

05:55:26.500 A woman or bear?

05:55:27.540 Yeah, you pick a woman or a bear.

05:55:28.960 Yeah, I'd pick a woman. 1.00

05:55:30.300 Okay. 0.92

05:55:31.220 So, in the black person one, though, it could be a woman or a man, but they're black. 0.73

05:55:37.440 I'd still pick the woman. 1.00

05:55:39.620 No, but you don't know.

05:55:40.840 You don't know.

05:55:41.440 It's just a person versus bear.

05:55:44.440 I'm going to choose bear if it's just a random person and I don't know.

05:55:47.260 You could get a guy.

05:55:48.280 I'm not going to choose a man over a bear.

05:55:51.060 But you're not choosing a man. 0.99

05:55:52.080 You're choosing a black person. 1.00

05:55:55.060 No, I'm not. 0.99

05:55:56.020 I'm choosing a bear.

05:55:56.760 Okay.

05:55:57.100 What about...

05:55:57.900 Wait, can I...

05:55:58.460 Oh, sorry.

05:55:58.880 Can I just follow up one more?

05:55:59.940 Let's say you choose bear and it spawns in front of you and it becomes aggressive with you,

05:56:06.560 but you get to spawn something new.

05:56:08.640 Do you spawn an additional bear or a man?

05:56:12.600 Because the bear is now attacking you.

05:56:14.220 Do you spawn another bear or do you spawn a man? 0.63

05:56:17.740 Again, I'm not going to...

05:56:18.760 I'm just going to choose a bear.

05:56:19.600 Another bear?

05:56:20.320 Two bears.

05:56:20.900 Okay.

05:56:20.940 Yeah, I'm just going to choose a bear.

05:56:22.280 I'm not going to make you just...

05:56:23.540 Aurelius in the chat says,

05:56:25.340 Whoa, why'd Brian let a KKK member on the show?

05:56:27.520 That's crazy, Sophia.

05:56:30.040 Don't you?

05:56:30.680 Do you see how you set me up for that?

05:56:33.160 Do you see what I meant by saying the question was pretty racist?

05:56:37.320 No, I think your answer to it was racist.

05:56:39.380 This is actually a really good example of how men can be propagandized too well.

05:56:42.240 Because if anyone watching this actually thought that that was a reasonable dunk of you, 0.99

05:56:45.340 then they're like actually brain dead.

05:56:46.800 I think it's kind of a reasonable dunk.

05:56:49.060 And here's why.

05:56:49.920 Here's why.

05:56:50.580 It's not.

05:56:51.200 Here's why.

05:56:51.760 I disagree with her answer.

05:56:53.520 I just...

05:56:53.880 It's not a super reasonable dunk.

05:56:55.540 I think it's a dunk. 0.98

05:56:56.100 Because the black person could be a man, so she's going to pick a bear still. 1.00

05:56:59.580 Well, for that reason, I guess it's less of a dunk. 0.97

05:57:01.960 It's still a dunk though.

05:57:03.460 Because essentially racism bad, yes?

05:57:07.140 Yeah.

05:57:07.840 Sexism? 0.94

05:57:08.340 I'm sure that's what she believes.

05:57:09.320 No, no, no.

05:57:09.700 But do you think racism is bad?

05:57:11.800 Yeah, by and large.

05:57:12.660 Okay.

05:57:12.860 Do you think sexism is bad?

05:57:14.300 Yeah, by and large.

05:57:15.260 Okay.

05:57:15.600 So if you...

05:57:16.540 In this scenario, if it would be racist to pick a bear over a black person, 0.85

05:57:21.400 then it so too must also be sexist to pick a bear over a man. 0.98

05:57:27.400 And you even acknowledged that picking the bear over a man is like kind of a shitty answer. 0.97

05:57:33.400 Sure. 0.92

05:57:33.560 But it's not racist because she's like, well, it's specifically black people that I'm afraid 1.00

05:57:37.620 of.

05:57:37.840 It's because she's consistently not picking men, whether you put a different race or creed

05:57:41.260 on it.

05:57:41.600 So it's not...

05:57:42.600 That's what I'm trying to say is I never changed my answer when you changed the race.

05:57:46.620 But optically...

05:57:47.420 She's being sexist consistently. 0.99

05:57:49.620 But optically, despite her reasoning for it, it's optically bad to pick bear over a black 1.00

05:57:55.000 person. 0.96

05:57:55.580 Sure.

05:57:55.760 But that's just because you like, again, you like loaded the question.

05:57:58.380 She's just being sexist, obviously. 1.00

05:58:00.180 Sure.

05:58:00.400 Because she's picking the bear, not the man.

05:58:01.260 What do you pick?

05:58:02.600 I mean, with that kind of context, I guess...

05:58:05.380 Right?

05:58:05.700 It makes it impossible to answer without you getting...

05:58:08.060 I mean, my family's interracial, so that doesn't really apply.

05:58:10.100 But do you think you'd be racist for somebody to pick bear over a black person?

05:58:14.500 Is there like a statistic on if I would get a guy or if I would get a woman? 0.54

05:58:19.280 Well, it's 50-50.

05:58:20.680 50-50? 0.89

05:58:21.360 50-50, black guy, black woman. 0.90

05:58:22.520 I guess you have better chances choosing the black person by, you know, it makes you... 1.00

05:58:27.460 You might get a woman. 1.00

05:58:28.400 Yeah.

05:58:28.680 But what if a white person's like, nah, I pick the bear. 0.65

05:58:34.840 Is that racist?

05:58:36.500 Would that be racist if they do make that selection?

05:58:39.560 If they didn't consider that option of like, you know, you could get a woman, you know, 1.00

05:58:44.400 I guess so.

05:58:44.880 Okay.

05:58:45.080 So then they would just be sexist then.

05:58:47.020 Yeah.

05:58:47.380 They wouldn't be racist, but they would just be sexist.

05:58:49.220 Yeah.

05:58:49.720 Okay.

05:58:50.120 But what if it's like, again, if they do pick the bear and they're like, I don't care

05:58:54.860 if it was a man or a woman. 0.97

05:58:56.880 I just pick the bear over a black woman or a black man. 1.00

05:59:00.800 A little arrogant, I guess. 1.00

05:59:02.220 It's a little what? 0.99

05:59:02.940 Arrogant. 0.99

05:59:03.560 Arrogant. 0.99

05:59:04.000 Yeah. 0.95

05:59:04.540 Like, you know, I say that like, because you're, I don't know.

05:59:09.460 I don't think that that's a very educational thing to say.

05:59:13.620 If you choose just the bear and not know any of the other context, then, you know, I don't

05:59:20.760 know.

05:59:20.920 What's the question that you guys are asking me?

05:59:22.700 I already answered.

05:59:24.860 I'm just saying, if you pick bear, you're sexist.

05:59:26.940 That's my position.

05:59:27.780 Okay.

05:59:27.960 If you pick bear over man, you're sexist.

05:59:29.620 Okay. 0.99

05:59:30.140 And you have like some pretty shitty views on men. 0.89

05:59:33.220 So what was the follow-up question? 0.96

05:59:35.640 Did she say based?

05:59:36.720 I said based on what I've said.

05:59:38.360 Oh, I thought you were like based.

05:59:39.920 Like, yes.

05:59:40.860 To just answer the question without asking questions like that, you know, like what would

05:59:46.220 be the statistic of getting a woman 50-50, then you could make an educated guess, you

05:59:51.360 know, or decision.

05:59:53.040 But why would you have chose the bear in the first place?

05:59:54.820 I don't understand.

05:59:55.660 Because I've been graped before.

05:59:57.760 I'm like, what else do you want?

05:59:59.160 But statistically, you're more likely to survive.

06:00:01.760 I've seen, well, I know, because we hear stories of men who drag women out to the desert and

06:00:08.980 leave them there after torturing them.

06:00:11.580 But out of a random selection of men.

06:00:14.640 I wouldn't have to live with that consequence.

06:00:17.960 But the consequence is more dangerous with a bear, on average, than with a random guy.

06:00:25.520 All right.

06:00:26.040 We're talking, let's bring promiscuity into it.

06:00:28.520 Well, let me, 10 random dudes, how many do you think are psychopathic serial killers?

06:00:32.820 10 random dudes. 0.89

06:00:33.620 Would you date a woman that has been violated by a man like that?

06:00:38.900 Or would she be damaged goods?

06:00:40.260 Does that make sense?

06:00:42.880 I think it's reasonable for a guy to not want to date a woman who has certain baggage 1.00

06:00:46.420 or trauma from the past, but you want to answer his question?

06:00:50.000 Out of 10 random dudes, how many do you think, on average, would be a serial killer or psychopath?

06:00:56.280 Probably like two.

06:00:57.240 Two out of 10?

06:00:58.780 Two out of 10.

06:00:59.360 Are serial killers?

06:01:00.320 So do you think 20% of the problem?

06:01:01.240 Not serial killers, but like, you know.

06:01:02.900 Or psychopaths. 0.99

06:01:03.900 You said or psychopaths. 0.98

06:01:05.100 Unless you mean.

06:01:05.460 But you said in your example, okay, but you said in your example that a guy would not

06:01:10.200 be preferable because he might torture grape, et cetera, in the case of the bear.

06:01:15.740 A man's imagination is much wilder than a bear. 0.82

06:01:18.240 A bear is just going to get it done.

06:01:19.680 But statistically, are you more likely to survive a random dude out of all the men who do you?

06:01:28.200 But after that, would I want to survive?

06:01:29.700 Like, you know, if I was tortured for 10 hours plus, what would I want to do?

06:01:33.780 What he means is what's more likely to happen.

06:01:36.400 Like, if you run across a man, is it likely that he's going to do the most awful thing that

06:01:40.460 you're imagining?

06:01:40.920 Or is it likely that he'll just be like, yo, what's up?

06:01:43.140 We're on the trail together.

06:01:43.960 Or, like, if you're in a problem, help you.

06:01:46.340 Like, what's the most likely thing that a man would do?

06:01:48.820 That's what he's asking.

06:01:50.000 Well, I guess I'd have to agree with you.

06:01:51.860 I chose the wrong answer.

06:01:54.800 Yeah, I mean, it would be better for your long-term survival to choose a guy.

06:02:01.220 Okay.

06:02:02.420 What do you think?

06:02:04.960 I think it's really hard for you to touch on this topic when you haven't dealt with

06:02:09.360 what we've dealt with.

06:02:10.820 How would you know that, though?

06:02:12.260 Have you been, have you been essayed?

06:02:17.560 Exactly.

06:02:19.440 Wait, so are you, are you saying men?

06:02:21.360 But what would that have to do with the statistics of whether or not a bear is more likely than

06:02:26.020 a man to hurt you? 0.98

06:02:27.600 I'm saying from what you were just saying, it, you're speaking from, like, someone who

06:02:33.920 hasn't dealt with it.

06:02:35.000 So you're speaking from someone who, I, I spoke bear from what I've dealt with.

06:02:41.780 And from, that's, that was my answer because of what I've dealt with.

06:02:45.980 Right.

06:02:46.200 Like TSD.

06:02:46.980 Yeah, exactly.

06:02:48.180 You're just, you're just me.

06:02:49.780 Okay.

06:02:50.640 Go ahead.

06:02:51.380 Go ahead.

06:02:51.560 Well, but the point is that you're much more likely to survive on the basis of the objective

06:02:57.540 stats rather than your subjective experience.

06:03:01.080 Is it 100% sure that nothing would happen to us or are we just going?

06:03:07.280 No, you don't know.

06:03:08.080 No.

06:03:08.340 You don't know.

06:03:08.820 It's just favorable.

06:03:09.880 You, you also move through the world.

06:03:12.240 Like, I'm sure you guys aren't hermits.

06:03:13.800 Like, you go out and about and maybe you, you go out at night, which there's a risk and

06:03:18.940 a safety concern if you're going out drinking at bars, for example.

06:03:22.100 I don't know if you guys do that.

06:03:24.080 No.

06:03:24.480 Okay.

06:03:24.800 That's fine.

06:03:25.260 But you move through the world in such a way that there's some risk involved.

06:03:29.880 I think just being a woman, there's always going to be a risk. 0.73

06:03:33.600 Correct.

06:03:34.340 Sure.

06:03:35.820 Well, it's good to know that one thing about the hypothetical is to know and admit that

06:03:40.380 men are actually dangerous.

06:03:42.760 Whether or not you're going to be assaulted or anything is different than whether it's

06:03:47.340 descriptively true that men can do things to you.

06:03:50.620 So, whereas it's always true for a bear, but to Jay's point, if your experience, if my

06:03:57.900 experience with a certain group of people was that I was, let's say, robbed multiple

06:04:06.180 times, I think what Brian is asking in another hypothetical is would it be racist based on

06:04:12.900 my experience with that group of people to choose something other than that group of people's

06:04:19.100 demographic, ethnicity category?

06:04:22.260 Just even if the stats were actually in opposition to my choice.

06:04:29.700 Do you have anything to weigh in on this?

06:04:31.840 I mean, to Jim Bob's point here, it's just essentially, if it's racist, because I, here,

06:04:38.580 I'll just ask a simple question.

06:04:39.740 So, you guys have had bad experiences with men.

06:04:42.480 I don't doubt this at all.

06:04:44.320 I don't doubt that, absolutely, there are men who are monsters, who commit heinous crimes,

06:04:52.120 and they are terrible.

06:04:54.320 And it's awful.

06:04:55.320 Absolutely awful that it happens.

06:04:56.700 But when you then say, okay, well, if somebody has had a bad experience with X group, in your

06:05:04.920 case, men, does this then justify you having sort of this baseline fear or hatred or contempt

06:05:15.300 of the entire group, similar to, for example, let's say a white person was beat up by a group

06:05:23.040 of black people, would this then give them justification for the rest of their life to 0.87

06:05:28.620 be continuously fearful of black people and have a bias against them and think negatively 0.67

06:05:34.740 about them and so forth?

06:05:37.680 No, I don't think so.

06:05:39.140 Okay.

06:05:39.440 All right.

06:05:40.340 And then also, just to your point, you were saying how Jay here, he, you were claiming

06:05:45.380 he didn't have this experience, but like, wouldn't this also then have to apply to somebody who's

06:05:51.240 like anti-SA?

06:05:53.180 So, oh, who are you to have an anti-SA opinion, but you yourself have not been SA'd?

06:05:59.180 It would have to apply both ways.

06:06:01.320 No, I'm just saying he was speaking for us, saying that we shouldn't feel a type of way

06:06:06.840 or we should go at life a certain way when it's just, but just, but just because he himself

06:06:15.020 hasn't had that experience doesn't preclude him from coming to a determination as to like

06:06:22.160 a risk of a particular scenario or having an opinion on SA.

06:06:28.720 I didn't say he shouldn't have an opinion on SA, I was just saying that he shouldn't

06:06:34.560 have an opinion on how we both feel about our situation.

06:06:37.720 But I was making the point that for your own survival, wouldn't you want to choose the

06:06:42.660 more likely means of surviving a man versus a bear?

06:06:46.800 I can just say that I don't, I don't want to live if it happens to me again, but I don't

06:06:55.440 want to go through life again if it happens to me again.

06:06:57.980 So I choose bear point, like period.

06:07:00.980 So you're not concerned with your survival?

06:07:05.640 At that point.

06:07:07.640 No.

06:07:07.920 So it's, it's a hypothetical, right?

06:07:12.320 The hypothetical gives you the option that's most likely to result in your survival.

06:07:18.060 Not certain, like it's not a certainty thing.

06:07:20.320 It's just, you're, you're making the call based on likelihood of, of things not going

06:07:26.000 bad in your favor.

06:07:27.580 Whether I've been SA'd or not has nothing to do with whether you're more likely to survive

06:07:31.320 with a guy.

06:07:31.820 If we're comparing two aggressors, so if you're comparing a man to a bear, like wouldn't they

06:07:37.480 be equal in aggressive, you know, demeanor?

06:07:41.500 Not the potential.

06:07:42.740 I mean, a bear can do a lot of aggressive, immediate harm.

06:07:46.440 A man can do harm, but we're talking about the likelihood, right? 0.99

06:07:51.900 So the likelihood.

06:07:53.540 I honestly look at this and I, and I think bear, in my experience, I grew up in the mountains

06:07:58.420 and so my experience of bears is actually that they run, so I don't, I don't actually

06:08:02.840 like the hypothetical because you can spook a bear pretty easily.

06:08:07.800 Of course, bears of color attack more than other bears, but that's actually true. 1.00

06:08:14.000 Actually, I think polar bears are the most aggressive technique.

06:08:16.100 No, no, and I'm talking about aggressive, like if you're in proximity, the most amount

06:08:20.520 of attacks are.

06:08:21.640 From black bears?

06:08:22.260 Yeah.

06:08:22.620 Yeah, but it's proximity.

06:08:23.860 I think polar bears are technically significantly more aggressive.

06:08:25.920 Yeah, they're more aggressive if you're nearby.

06:08:27.380 The white bear is not good.

06:08:28.700 The point is that it shows the inability to think objectively and to think hypothetically

06:08:33.040 is the point.

06:08:34.220 And so you would choose something that would be damaging to you on the basis of your own

06:08:38.860 subjective experience.

06:08:39.900 That's the point.

06:08:40.780 I guess we're just fear-based at some point, you know.

06:08:43.840 Sure.

06:08:44.560 Moving on, really quick on this one.

06:08:47.680 So this is for Sophia and Kelly.

06:08:51.260 You would not date a police officer.

06:08:53.820 Why is that?

06:08:54.220 It just doesn't align with what I do in life.

06:08:59.080 What do you mean?

06:08:59.560 What?

06:08:59.980 I'm an artist.

06:09:00.940 Like, why would I...

06:09:01.780 Oh, okay.

06:09:01.980 So you'd want to date the guy who's an artist.

06:09:03.120 Yeah, that's a creative or at least somewhat close to it.

06:09:06.300 There's some creativeness that comes with law enforcement, I guess.

06:09:09.440 I mean, gotta...

06:09:11.040 What about a sketch artist?

06:09:12.620 Would you date a sketch artist?

06:09:14.000 Sketch artist?

06:09:14.600 A police officer, but he's a sketch artist.

06:09:16.640 He's like, here's the criminal.

06:09:17.960 Draws the criminal.

06:09:19.440 Still, no.

06:09:20.120 Wait a second.

06:09:20.980 I actually have a good question.

06:09:24.400 Is it an assumption that...

06:09:27.120 Into the mic.

06:09:27.620 Oh, sorry.

06:09:28.460 Is it an assumption that the person you're with should be as creative as you?

06:09:35.260 Or what if it's the case they're more like...

06:09:37.680 I don't even know how valid these terms are, like type A and stuff.

06:09:42.280 But, like, more organized, stable, isn't really lofty about, like, dreams and art and all this stuff.

06:09:49.320 But you are, and he loves that you are.

06:09:51.320 But you don't actually connect on that level.

06:09:54.520 I'm wondering why...

06:09:55.680 That seems like you're making it, like, sort of a necessity that he's, like, creative and, you know...

06:10:01.600 No, I would...

06:10:02.840 Police officers, to me, it just seems, like, out of pocket.

06:10:06.000 Like, I don't even...

06:10:06.620 All my friends, people who I associate, even family members, none of them are police officers.

06:10:10.340 I just don't find, like, I would find any attraction towards them or anything in common.

06:10:15.540 What few is Italian?

06:10:16.440 I do understand that, like, opposites attract, so...

06:10:19.380 Yeah.

06:10:20.140 Your answer to the question?

06:10:23.040 Oh, I just feel like they're strict.

06:10:24.960 Like, I smoke weed.

06:10:26.080 I do OnlyFans.

06:10:27.580 Like, I don't really think we're going to align.

06:10:29.840 Lack of alignment.

06:10:30.760 Okay, fair enough.

06:10:31.880 By the way, guys, we are getting towards the tail end of the show here.

06:10:35.740 So we're going to do a roast session.

06:10:37.120 $30 TTS for the roast.

06:10:39.180 $30 TTS.

06:10:40.020 Let's do that.

06:10:40.500 Streamlabs.com slash whatever if you want to get one in.

06:10:43.500 I'm going to let a few come in really quick, but then I do have a few more topics to touch on here.

06:10:48.940 We have Solo Cleric.

06:10:51.160 Thank you, man.

06:10:51.580 Solo Cleric 83 donated $50.

06:10:54.340 I want to say, despite disagreeing with you ladies on a bunch of stuff,

06:10:58.420 I do appreciate the recognition that not all men are violent monsters.

06:11:02.620 Yeah, Kyla, you, you, I mean, you're pretty reasonable, I'd say.

06:11:09.840 So I was a little, I mean, but sometimes I'm surprised.

06:11:11.460 Don't tell that to Jay.

06:11:12.040 Plus yours.

06:11:12.680 It'll be okay.

06:11:13.080 It'll be okay.

06:11:13.260 He probably disagrees with me on that.

06:11:14.520 But, I mean, at least your position on the bear thing, you seem pretty reasonable on that one.

06:11:20.680 Because we get some pretty crazy answers.

06:11:22.780 There's a lot of, like, reasonable people.

06:11:24.200 I think, you know, to give some level of, like, levity, I think when people, like, speak out of trauma,

06:11:28.740 it does lead to, like, misinformed evaluations.

06:11:30.820 Sure. 0.93

06:11:31.020 The issue is that, like, I'm not super interested in, like, shitting on people for, like, their trauma response. 0.52

06:11:36.160 It's more like, how do we live in a more adaptive, healthy way? 0.90

06:11:40.080 That's her. 0.88

06:11:40.340 We have Christine here. 0.98

06:11:41.920 Thank you, Christine.

06:11:42.520 Christine donated $69.

06:11:45.120 The question is to show how stubborn and delusional we are. 0.99

06:11:49.060 Stop making women look insane. 1.00

06:11:51.360 I hate this question because you all fall for it because you want to be right and we look stupid. 1.00

06:11:57.580 Thank you, Christine. 0.99

06:11:58.620 Appreciate that.

06:11:59.740 We have Double Agent here coming in with another one.

06:12:02.440 Then we have two more.

06:12:03.300 Then we'll get back to some convo.

06:12:05.020 Thank you, Christine.

06:12:05.880 Appreciate it.

06:12:06.540 Thank you.

06:12:06.780 Thank you.

06:12:06.900 Double Agent donated $29.99.

06:12:10.500 Thank you, Double Agent.

06:12:11.280 Would you rather be alone with a bear in the woods or a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman in a restroom? 0.87

06:12:16.880 Before you guys answer that really quick, I want to do a shout-out to The Crucible.

06:12:19.800 They just sent over a raid.

06:12:21.360 I guess Andrew was streaming.

06:12:23.160 Hey, Andrew, I don't know if you're watching or if it was somebody else streaming on your account,

06:12:26.800 but thank you so much for The Raid.

06:12:28.460 The Crucible.

06:12:29.300 Welcome, The Crucible crew.

06:12:30.820 We've got a great panel here tonight, guys.

06:12:32.880 So thank you for The Raid.

06:12:35.020 The question was, would you rather be alone with a bear in the woods or a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman in the restroom? 0.82

06:12:41.260 To those of you who picked bear, which do you pick? 0.98

06:12:43.740 Bear in the woods or I guess it's a transgender woman? 1.00

06:12:51.680 He's mentally ill? 1.00

06:12:54.060 Or she's mentally ill? 0.99

06:12:55.620 Sure. 0.99

06:12:56.440 I guess I would say.

06:12:57.620 Are they pretending to be a woman? 0.96

06:12:58.400 So they're not really trans?

06:12:59.420 Into the mic.

06:12:59.960 So they're pretending to be a woman?

06:13:01.820 So they're not technically trans?

06:13:03.300 You just said it trans?

06:13:04.100 Well, that's the same thing.

06:13:05.260 They're all pretending.

06:13:06.020 Or they're just in.

06:13:06.760 Isn't that what that is?

06:13:07.140 No, I'm just saying they're just in a bathroom pretending to be a girl in a bathroom and then you open the door and they're not. 0.98

06:13:14.020 I think we're talking about the same thing here.

06:13:17.080 They're obviously not.

06:13:18.280 They're obviously like asking like, is it like genuinely like a dude who just like put on a wig to like go be creepy with women?

06:13:24.640 Or is it just a trans? 0.98

06:13:25.600 Right.

06:13:25.640 We're talking about the same thing.

06:13:26.340 It's the same thing.

06:13:26.860 We're talking about the same thing.

06:13:28.040 We're talking about the same thing.

06:13:29.220 Yeah, but the issue is that they're making this distinction.

06:13:31.060 What's the distinction?

06:13:32.120 Well, they're making it.

06:13:33.300 So you have to engage with them on their distinction or don't enforce them.

06:13:36.400 And then their answer would be how creepy men in the bathroom are weird.

06:13:38.280 There's nothing up there.

06:13:39.420 Again, I often look when I think.

06:13:41.380 I don't know why this is so exciting for you, Jay.

06:13:43.420 Thank you, Vector.

06:13:44.120 Vector donated $30.

06:13:45.280 Appreciate it.

06:13:45.720 Since Chair 4's object of pleasure is pain, perhaps the best kind of friend with benefits she can get is a porcupine.

06:13:53.060 However, maybe she would dump the porcupine, too.

06:13:56.760 Not rough enough.

06:13:59.020 Word?

06:13:59.820 Thank you, Vector.

06:14:01.100 Good to see you in the chat, Vector.

06:14:02.260 What's up, man?

06:14:04.860 Realize a network donated $30. 1.00

06:14:07.960 Jay, please destroy this radical orthodoxy bullshit. 0.99

06:14:10.900 She claims to read and to have faith bid yesterday, it said, in the 50s. 0.99

06:14:16.300 It actually started in 1999 from a singular book by John Milbank, pure BS.

06:14:22.800 I don't know what the 50s thing that they're referencing.

06:14:25.980 I also don't think we want to go into an apologetics religious debate.

06:14:29.740 Mm-mm.

06:14:30.860 Jay, do you want to do like a 20-second long log super quick on this?

06:14:34.120 I didn't see the whole...

06:14:35.200 Oh, he just says, please destroy this radical orthodoxy BS.

06:14:39.400 BS, if you can give like a...

06:14:40.980 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what or where she came up with her religious views, but they seem to be just made up.

06:14:49.220 Made up.

06:14:49.600 What is it?

06:14:50.580 Well, she said Paul was a postmodernist, which is total nonsense.

06:14:54.500 Yeah, I know.

06:14:54.780 That's a really fun one for you.

06:14:55.980 And so where did you get up your religious views?

06:14:58.420 What is it?

06:14:58.760 Radical orthodoxy.

06:14:59.520 And where is that from?

06:15:01.320 Radical orthodoxy is a theological movement that's really interested in engaging with the ancient scriptures and the way that the ancients...

06:15:07.120 Blah, blah, blah, blah.

06:15:08.060 And what is that?

06:15:08.920 All right, sorry.

06:15:09.480 Do you want me to answer?

06:15:10.380 Do you not want me to answer?

06:15:10.920 That's all I heard.

06:15:11.960 All right, we have a message coming.

06:15:12.740 Timothy Jeremiah donated $69.

06:15:16.340 Transgender bear mauls woman hours before track meet.

06:15:19.660 Wins gold slash sets record. 0.92

06:15:22.240 Also noted as having the biggest set of nuts of all participants.

06:15:26.380 Okay.

06:15:27.140 Thank you, Timothy Jeremiah.

06:15:28.640 I appreciate your message here.

06:15:30.000 Uh, oh boy.

06:15:32.700 Okay, I'll...

06:15:33.960 Oh my. 0.99

06:15:34.760 Whoever sent this in, you're ridiculous, but I'll play it. 0.98

06:15:37.680 Bridal Fatla donated $30. 0.99

06:15:39.740 That's crazy.

06:15:40.460 A question for the ladies. 0.92

06:15:42.120 Would you rather blow Brian, lay with Jay, or give a joyful to Jim Bob?

06:15:47.360 What was a joyful?

06:15:48.320 Oh, it changed it.

06:15:49.460 Rim job to Jim Bob.

06:15:50.900 Terrible. 1.00

06:15:51.500 The fuck? 1.00

06:15:52.520 It changed it automatically. 1.00

06:15:53.580 Okay.

06:15:57.560 Okay.

06:15:59.980 Sons of Liberty donated $29.99.

06:16:04.840 Chair 2's simp husband has a gun in his mouth at least twice per year. 0.86

06:16:09.320 Insufferable. 1.00

06:16:09.880 What the fuck? 1.00

06:16:10.520 Jim Bob, isn't it dangerous for people like this to associate with Christianity? 1.00

06:16:15.220 They'll manipulate and change it?

06:16:18.060 Yeah, you can't change it. 0.99

06:16:18.760 I'm simultaneously so powerful and so stupid that I'm manipulating. 0.99

06:16:22.040 They can't really change it because it's not Christianity. 1.00

06:16:24.980 Whatever the hell she just spoused. 1.00

06:16:26.700 Jason Kassel donated $30.

06:16:29.380 Not so bright. 0.98

06:16:30.600 Listen, dummy. 0.99

06:16:31.600 Men can't be women and women can't be men. 1.00

06:16:34.380 It's the same thing.

06:16:36.740 Yo, Jason Kassel, thank you for that.

06:16:38.760 And then we have this one coming in doctrine.

06:16:40.400 Then we'll get into a couple of questions.

06:16:41.680 Doctrine underscore matters donated $30.

06:16:44.040 And then hopefully wrap this pretty soon.

06:16:44.720 Jim Bob been enjoying your appearances and respect Jay's theological depth.

06:16:49.780 Chair one is definition of don't judge a book by its cover.

06:16:54.100 Respectful, submissive, beautiful, homemaker.

06:16:58.040 Hats off to you, miss.

06:17:00.840 There you go.

06:17:01.900 All right.

06:17:02.180 A little compliment for you there.

06:17:03.960 Doctrine.

06:17:04.600 Appreciate it.

06:17:05.380 Okay.

06:17:06.040 This question is kind of crazy, but whatever. 0.99

06:17:08.920 Um, okay, so this is possibly the dumbest question ever. 1.00

06:17:16.520 Let's say you're having consensual sex with a woman and the sex is great, right? 1.00

06:17:21.060 And you guys have had sex a lot of times before and you're, uh, it's missionary position. 0.99

06:17:28.200 You're in missionary position, right? 0.96

06:17:30.340 Are we men in this case?

06:17:31.480 No, you're the woman. 0.98

06:17:32.540 Well, you're, no, there's a man in the woman. 1.00

06:17:37.000 And so you're observing this happening.

06:17:38.860 Now there's a binary.

06:17:40.100 Okay.

06:17:42.200 Missionary, missionary position though.

06:17:44.380 And then the woman clearly revokes her consent.

06:17:48.880 Clearly.

06:17:50.120 She's like, stop, stop, stop, stop.

06:17:53.480 Um, oh my God, this is such a r-slurred question.

06:17:55.900 Um, at what, because let's say the guy's on the down thrust at what point is it S is it

06:18:07.140 like grape?

06:18:08.120 Because like how many thrusts until, because like you got to give the guy at least one

06:18:16.140 thrust because he's on the down thrust and it's gravity.

06:18:19.920 So, okay, you're happy.

06:18:22.920 And he's going to stop, but it's just like, is, has he just graped you?

06:18:27.280 If you say stop, but it's like the middle of the down thrust and he completes the down

06:18:31.740 thrust, but there's momentum too.

06:18:33.860 There's gravity and momentum and there's like two pumps.

06:18:37.240 And then he pulls out.

06:18:39.140 Were you graped? 0.97

06:18:40.880 No, I'm just, this is a retarded hypothetical. 0.99

06:18:45.920 I'm just, how many pumps until it's great.

06:18:51.540 Why would he continue to pump at a hole?

06:18:53.860 No, but there's momentum.

06:18:55.420 So like, you said two pumps, there's not momentum to make you go back up.

06:18:59.180 Like, is there, are you on a waterbed?

06:19:00.560 There could be like, are you on a waterbed?

06:19:02.720 So he's like, Oh, I got to control myself.

06:19:04.220 Sorry.

06:19:04.640 I'm trying to get off. 1.00

06:19:05.500 My dick keeps falling in. 1.00

06:19:06.840 Two pumps. 1.00

06:19:07.760 And then he pulls out.

06:19:08.820 If she says stop, he goes, one more.

06:19:12.120 No, no, no.

06:19:12.540 He doesn't do that.

06:19:13.320 It's just like, he's processing the whole thing and he, it's like rapid fire.

06:19:17.940 Like it's me personally, I'm not into the, the, the, like the, the energizer bunny, like 0.88

06:19:22.520 the, the jackhammer sex. 0.96

06:19:24.260 I don't like that. 0.96

06:19:24.940 But some dudes are just like, like the, the pumps per minute is really high.

06:19:29.740 So like within the course of a second, it's like three pumps.

06:19:32.920 So the woman says stop and it's like three pumps. 1.00

06:19:35.960 At what point is it like, is he a grapist?

06:19:42.140 If he three pumps and then he pulls out, he's like, Oh my God, are you okay?

06:19:45.980 What's going on?

06:19:46.840 It's only rape until, Oh, sorry. 0.97

06:19:48.720 I'm so sorry. 1.00

06:19:49.740 Fuck. 0.99

06:19:49.980 Why did I even ask the question? 1.00

06:19:51.240 It's only essay until after you vocalize that you don't want to do it anymore.

06:19:54.680 No, but, but so if we're looking chronologically timeline, so you're engaging, he's jackhammering. 0.97

06:20:00.820 He's fucking jackhammering and it's missionary. 1.00

06:20:04.140 So there's gravity and momentum pump, pump, pump, pump, pump. 1.00

06:20:08.160 What the fuck is this question? 0.99

06:20:11.280 So you say stop. 1.00

06:20:12.900 Yeah.

06:20:13.340 But he's already on the down thrust.

06:20:15.380 He's on the down thrust.

06:20:16.640 Like you wouldn't expect the guy to just like plank, be, be able to fully stop the thrust

06:20:24.580 mid thrust.

06:20:25.980 At what point is it, would it be like, if he does the one thrust and he's like, pulls

06:20:31.220 out, Oh my God, babe, are you okay?

06:20:32.580 What's going on?

06:20:33.320 That's good.

06:20:34.040 But was, was that chronologically the thrust?

06:20:37.580 He finishes the, he's halfway through the thrust.

06:20:40.420 He's halfway through the thrust.

06:20:42.060 At what point is it, let's say, yeah, I'm curious everyone's answer.

06:20:47.700 No, this is a serious question because if it was in a courtroom and it went to testimony

06:20:51.660 of like, I was graped, right?

06:20:54.280 Like you would have to detail some of the stuff and you would have to demonstrate like I said

06:20:59.460 stop.

06:21:00.180 There was one pump over the line.

06:21:02.720 What's your answer?

06:21:04.380 What's my answer?

06:21:05.840 I'm assuming we're asking the panel.

06:21:06.940 Um, I would argue that there's some ambiguity here, some leeway, because in the middle of

06:21:16.360 it, you couldn't technically, I'm serious.

06:21:18.500 Like you couldn't, I was laughing at the chat, but you couldn't like, I don't see how you

06:21:22.120 could say like after number two, that's great.

06:21:25.560 So when is it though?

06:21:26.860 I don't know that there's a hard answer.

06:21:28.020 It's like there's a, there has to be a duration of the act.

06:21:31.420 So then how do you in the court case determine if it was or wasn't SA?

06:21:34.540 Like what's the line?

06:21:36.720 I mean, you just believe her, I guess.

06:21:39.160 That that's your answer.

06:21:40.120 Yeah.

06:21:40.140 She decides, I guess. 1.00

06:21:41.420 What the fuck? 1.00

06:21:43.180 Just kidding. 1.00

06:21:44.160 It was a legal pump.

06:21:46.100 It's a legal, is it pumping a legal term?

06:21:48.440 Somebody in chat says it was a legal pump.

06:21:50.680 Um, um, I think that would be, I think that would be a scenario almost potentially impossible

06:21:56.320 to, uh, deliberate on because of the.

06:22:00.280 So it'd have to be persistent.

06:22:01.600 Like a persistent.

06:22:02.060 Yeah.

06:22:02.300 Like, yeah, you need like some type of regularity in time to induct it for, for anything.

06:22:10.000 Like to conclude anything.

06:22:11.580 Yeah.

06:22:11.840 Yeah.

06:22:11.940 You know, like a pattern, like it is a single second of a transgression long enough of a,

06:22:18.100 of to be a pattern to recognize as like, you did that.

06:22:22.100 And it's like almost asking like from, from.

06:22:24.500 So if he pumps like once and gets off, you'd be like, he's probably in the clear.

06:22:27.720 It's almost like, like if you had a split second, if you took the position that thoughts themselves

06:22:32.960 could be immoral if you maintain them, like if a thought lasted for like, you know, like

06:22:41.020 milliseconds, did you have a, did you have a bad thought?

06:22:45.280 Like, you know what I mean?

06:22:46.080 If you, if you grabbed it for two seconds.

06:22:48.480 So like if he's pumping down, he hears no, and he's like, oh, I'm just going to stick

06:22:53.000 it out a little bit longer so I can enjoy myself.

06:22:55.200 Is that, is that what you're saying is S.A.?

06:22:57.720 Yeah.

06:22:58.160 I'm not, I'm not actually sure.

06:22:59.800 Oh, that's right.

06:23:00.520 I'm not sure if, if, how you, how do you determine it in that kind of situation?

06:23:05.440 And then you said persistent.

06:23:06.660 So like if she's persistently saying no, you'd be like, that's obvious S.A.

06:23:09.820 Like three nose to three pumps.

06:23:12.980 Is that your line?

06:23:13.940 Is it even?

06:23:14.700 What if it, if it's even?

06:23:15.920 I don't know.

06:23:16.460 Well, why do you, so the first pump you don't have to stop, but the second and third you

06:23:20.060 maybe should?

06:23:20.500 Maybe two.

06:23:21.400 I think the danger, the concern is that it can conceivably be a situation where a woman 1.00

06:23:26.500 could turn it into a false grape.

06:23:31.260 That's the point.

06:23:32.220 Yeah.

06:23:32.760 Yeah.

06:23:33.160 That's why I'm asking.

06:23:34.220 I think it's a good question.

06:23:35.080 Like at what point is it not a false allegation?

06:23:37.780 It's a legitimate allegation.

06:23:39.040 Is it three no's?

06:23:40.540 Is it four?

06:23:42.040 The first no. 0.98

06:23:43.600 Yes.

06:23:43.960 Well, he said persistent no.

06:23:45.080 So I was wondering if he meant like you need more than one to affirm that it is a true

06:23:49.300 no or something like that.

06:23:50.320 People in the chat are saying once she says, stop, you stop.

06:23:53.860 I a hundred percent agree with that.

06:23:55.640 But the reality in the scenario, there would be gravity and there would be momentum.

06:24:00.660 So it's like, if a woman says, stop mid thrust, let's not for, okay. 0.97

06:24:06.320 Let's ignore like thrust two and three. 0.92

06:24:09.660 Mid thrust, you have gravity and momentum going.

06:24:14.500 What if the guy does, doesn't have the physical strength to literally essentially do like a

06:24:21.180 first plank despite the existing momentum that has occurred?

06:24:26.180 No, I, I, I shouldn't be having sex. 1.00

06:24:29.060 That's a, that's a weak ass motherfucker. 1.00

06:24:30.220 We're missing something very simple here and clear is that the, for communication to be verified, 1.00

06:24:36.940 uh, the one speaking needs a response from the, the person who you're speaking to.

06:24:44.360 So she says no.

06:24:45.340 So then you'd have to know that you, you'd have to know that he heard you say no.

06:24:50.980 No, that's a necessary component that we're missing now.

06:24:54.360 Well, only after she knows that he heard that then from that point on, that's where you

06:25:00.680 start counting seconds for thrusting, Brian.

06:25:02.620 And how do you tell if the guy, like the, the bad thought, right?

06:25:05.980 The guy who hears the no, he processes it, but then he's like, I didn't really hear no.

06:25:10.980 Like, how do you gauge if that's happening?

06:25:12.080 Yeah, that'd be wrong.

06:25:13.040 That'd be wrong.

06:25:13.440 That's what we'd agree to be wrong.

06:25:14.280 No, no, it's up to the woman. 0.92

06:25:16.140 It's going to be in the woman's hands to make sure. 1.00

06:25:18.980 Did you hear me?

06:25:19.980 That's where the communication has to go.

06:25:21.460 Both.

06:25:21.700 It's like this, you know, easy it is to write someone an email and be like, I wrote you an

06:25:25.180 email, but if you didn't get the response that they got the email, you can't really hold

06:25:30.360 them to that you wrote them the email.

06:25:32.100 You have to know they respond.

06:25:33.480 That's why communication, you should always call people directly.

06:25:36.440 So yeah, like follow their voice.

06:25:37.580 Yeah.

06:25:38.240 Similar like that.

06:25:39.060 So with, if she says no and he doesn't stop and she doesn't follow up, then it's never

06:25:43.120 really essay.

06:25:44.900 It could not be right.

06:25:46.660 If, because there's no verification of communication, he could have thought that he, she said, Oh,

06:25:51.840 like, you know what I mean?

06:25:53.000 Like there's a matter, there's so many ways to interpret sounds, you know?

06:25:57.180 And so, uh, but also she would conceivably.

06:26:00.940 Pushing.

06:26:01.580 Yeah.

06:26:01.920 Yeah.

06:26:02.260 So that.

06:26:03.360 Yeah.

06:26:03.800 Freezing.

06:26:04.360 What if she freezes?

06:26:05.200 Like she stops engaging.

06:26:06.340 Cause a lot of women will claim that they froze. 1.00

06:26:07.620 Right.

06:26:08.980 Yeah.

06:26:09.320 Which is why they didn't push away or verbalize anything again.

06:26:11.880 I mean, I think there should just be a kind of standard.

06:26:13.880 If you could, like, if you knew, like the, the ultimate parachute pole is like, just like

06:26:21.320 clawing at the guy.

06:26:24.100 Basically.

06:26:24.840 Maybe we can get the women to weigh in though. 1.00

06:26:27.120 If you were having sex with guy and he was on top, whatever.

06:26:29.500 And he, he was going to pound town and, uh, the, the pumps per minute are really high.

06:26:35.360 I want to say a hundred, 120 pumps per minute.

06:26:39.160 That's two pumps a second. 0.98

06:26:40.640 And, uh, you, you, you love this guy.

06:26:44.840 This guy's great.

06:26:45.440 Uh, all, you know, the, the sex is consensual, whatever, but I don't know, maybe you're like

06:26:49.660 in physical pain and you just say, Oh, stop, stop.

06:26:52.280 And then like at two pumps happen. 1.00

06:26:57.860 This is such a dumb question. 0.99

06:26:59.380 I don't know. 0.99

06:27:00.060 Two pumps because of speed and momentum and gravity.

06:27:04.440 Like you would be like, would you feel like that'd be okay?

06:27:08.240 Right.

06:27:09.080 Yeah.

06:27:09.520 Yes.

06:27:10.080 Two pumps.

06:27:10.580 Yeah.

06:27:10.700 I wouldn't consider that.

06:27:11.780 I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

06:27:13.800 Yeah.

06:27:14.240 Two pumps Kelly. 0.95

06:27:15.580 I wouldn't consider that.

06:27:16.720 I say you wouldn't consider it.

06:27:18.400 Yeah.

06:27:19.140 I'd feel like if he like stops within the first two seconds, he's in the clear.

06:27:22.860 Okay.

06:27:23.460 Got it.

06:27:23.820 Me personally.

06:27:24.380 Yeah.

06:27:24.620 In my head.

06:27:25.320 Cause there's like processing time.

06:27:26.840 What if he's like, you got, you got, you're processing too.

06:27:29.660 But like, cause, cause chronologically though, like wouldn't you, couldn't you conceivably

06:27:37.620 make a legal case of like, okay, chronologically you should, you said stop.

06:27:42.020 I don't know if they're going to be going off of pump counts.

06:27:44.340 I think they're right.

06:27:45.420 They'd have to call it something.

06:27:46.840 There's got to be a metric.

06:27:48.380 Yeah.

06:27:48.500 But they're probably going to be looking more at like his reaction immediately to it.

06:27:51.420 Like, is it clear that he heard it?

06:27:52.920 And did he aim to try to stop like in any human reasonable time?

06:27:56.940 He stops within like two, two seconds.

06:27:58.540 Right.

06:27:58.720 Then I think most courts would probably feel fine with that. 0.80

06:28:01.120 Right.

06:28:01.320 I think we've kind of already answered that, but like nobody, nobody in the court would

06:28:04.240 be like, well, 1.5.

06:28:06.300 Well, no, the question is like, well, you got to ask the, in reverse, you got to say, what's

06:28:10.860 the longest amount of time that's permitted for it to be considered stopping?

06:28:15.400 I guess, I guess I would throw it back to you.

06:28:17.300 I'm not really sure what longest amount of time.

06:28:18.860 Cause if two is, everyone agrees twos.

06:28:22.460 I don't think anyone agreed two pumps specifically, right?

06:28:24.720 They were like, ah, about two seconds response time.

06:28:27.060 We're about seven.

06:28:28.020 Seven seconds.

06:28:29.800 I'm going to let some chats come through here.

06:28:32.420 Hey, be nice to my girl, Sophia.

06:28:34.720 Be nice to Sophia. 1.00

06:28:36.480 Sophia is literally an idiot under 304. 1.00

06:28:39.880 Be nice to Sophia. 1.00

06:28:41.320 Oh, she admits it.

06:28:42.420 Okay.

06:28:42.640 That's all good then.

06:28:43.420 Great.

06:28:43.700 Good thing you're not married to me.

06:28:44.900 All right.

06:28:45.400 Uh, we have realizer for this realize a network donated $29 and 99 cents.

06:28:52.520 Yeah.

06:28:52.620 Thank you, man.

06:28:53.220 To clarify today, not so bright said today that she thought radical orthodoxy started in

06:28:58.720 the fifties.

06:28:59.780 That's a lie.

06:29:00.500 It started in 1999 via one book by a guy named John Milbank.

06:29:05.380 It's heresy.

06:29:06.600 W.J.

06:29:07.340 Dyer.

06:29:08.840 Okay.

06:29:09.480 Thank you for that.

06:29:10.560 Thank you.

06:29:10.840 Sons of Liberty.

06:29:11.480 Appreciate it.

06:29:12.200 99 cents.

06:29:13.940 Hoping Trump suspends habeas corpus.

06:29:16.800 Finally round up and deport lips. 0.98

06:29:19.340 America will heal overnight. 0.99

06:29:21.400 This panel is full of degenerates. 0.94

06:29:24.140 Never married women telling married men how relationships work. 1.00

06:29:27.820 Oh, okay.

06:29:30.340 Thank you for that.

06:29:30.920 Sons of Liberty.

06:29:31.940 Yo, Jason.

06:29:32.540 Thank you, man.

06:29:33.600 Mr. Pump, how many pumps does it take to be called a grapest?

06:29:40.700 And that's to you, Brian.

06:29:44.260 It depends on the pumps per minute.

06:29:46.300 Your ex-team donated $30.

06:29:48.940 Chair one, if you could snap your fingers and make all of your tattoos go away, would you

06:29:54.060 do it?

06:29:54.520 Knowing it might massively increase your chances of finding the man of your dreams.

06:29:59.540 Absolutely.

06:30:00.220 I've thought about this a lot.

06:30:02.960 Do you still get tattoos done?

06:30:05.220 So when's the last time you got a tattoo?

06:30:08.140 Last year.

06:30:09.360 Okay.

06:30:09.580 And it was in commemoration of someone who passed.

06:30:12.120 When did you get the neck piece?

06:30:14.200 Three years ago, I think.

06:30:15.260 Three years ago.

06:30:15.860 Yeah.

06:30:16.060 Okay.

06:30:16.460 What's the first one you would remove if you had the time and the money and the ability

06:30:20.640 to withstand the pain of the laser?

06:30:22.280 The visible ones, for sure.

06:30:23.640 Do you have any face tats?

06:30:27.400 What does that say?

06:30:29.320 It says...

06:30:30.280 Noodles.

06:30:31.100 Yeah.

06:30:31.940 No, this is imperial.

06:30:33.460 And then it goes along with this one.

06:30:35.140 It says forbidden fruit.

06:30:36.720 Do you have any red flags?

06:30:37.880 Just curious.

06:30:38.740 Like...

06:30:39.460 I have terrible bed head.

06:30:41.840 I don't know. 0.99

06:30:42.740 Is that a sex act or something?

06:30:45.040 Um, I... 0.99

06:30:46.200 Oh, bed?

06:30:46.440 Your hair?

06:30:47.020 Yeah.

06:30:47.560 Oh, my God. 1.00

06:30:48.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

06:30:48.560 Okay, um... 1.00

06:30:50.940 Like, do you have BPD or anything like that?

06:30:53.220 Bipolar?

06:30:53.900 I am...

06:30:54.900 No.

06:30:55.440 Any BPDers at the table?

06:30:58.140 Any BPD enjoyers?

06:31:00.080 Enjoyers?

06:31:00.840 Borderline personality disorder?

06:31:03.000 Bipolar?

06:31:03.620 Anybody?

06:31:05.020 Autistic.

06:31:06.320 Spectrum disorder.

06:31:08.200 I love that for you.

06:31:09.140 Um, okay.

06:31:09.620 We have Jay Niko here.

06:31:10.920 Thank you, man.

06:31:11.320 Jay Niko, zero, four, donated $30.

06:31:14.360 Jay, you need to stop punching down.

06:31:17.540 Kyla is still coloring with crayons.

06:31:20.340 Brian, what is this thing Kyla keeps holding over your head and threatening you with to keep

06:31:25.180 you quiet?

06:31:25.840 You know what?

06:31:26.300 That's crazy.

06:31:27.580 She's like the ditty of the... 0.83

06:31:29.640 Yeah, what did she do to you?

06:31:30.580 ...of the red pill.

06:31:31.320 She's got some dirt on me.

06:31:32.860 She's been blackmailing me all night.

06:31:34.880 You heard about that Mexican man?

06:31:36.340 There's more to the story.

06:31:37.180 Yeah, no.

06:31:39.300 She's got photographs, videos, in a safe, behind a portrait of Bill Clinton.

06:31:46.360 Okay, we have Billy Bob here.

06:31:48.680 Wait, did I already do this one?

06:31:49.680 Billy Bob donated $30. 1.00

06:31:52.020 Erudite is a pig, snake, and a dummy. 0.99

06:31:54.280 Guys, be nice. 1.00

06:31:55.120 Come on.

06:31:55.140 We appreciate you sacrificing your brain cells to listen to her illogical statements and

06:32:00.300 then have to remap your brain wiring to correct her.

06:32:03.640 Christ is Lord.

06:32:05.360 Thank you.

06:32:06.040 Doctrine underscore matters donated $30.

06:32:09.660 J, I am a Presbyterian, PCA, Protestant.

06:32:14.040 Taking an intellectual slash curious interest in EO with no interest to convert.

06:32:19.780 Reading the early church fathers, ecumenical councils.

06:32:24.040 Overall book rec on EO? 0.98

06:32:26.100 Cunt. 1.00

06:32:26.400 Oh, wait. 0.99

06:32:28.400 Eric Vigilant donated $29.99.

06:32:32.640 Hello, ladies. 1.00

06:32:33.840 JB, Jay, and Burrito Brian.

06:32:36.840 Burrito Brian.

06:32:37.280 Good panel today.

06:32:38.240 Thank you.

06:32:38.840 Erudite, good job on the debate with JB and Jay.

06:32:41.960 Credit to, uh...

06:32:42.920 JB and Jay, good work.

06:32:44.100 Keep it up.

06:32:45.340 Shout out VP, AB, and Zman32.

06:32:48.800 I have no idea who these people are.

06:32:49.720 God bless you all.

06:32:51.580 Super neutral.

06:32:53.260 Thank you, Eric.

06:32:53.960 Eric has donated $30.

06:32:56.040 Chair three.

06:32:57.220 Everything I said earlier to chair one also applies to you.

06:33:00.960 Hats off to you, miss.

06:33:02.580 Chair one and three.

06:33:03.680 Would you date a Christian man?

06:33:05.340 Yeah, I know, but...

06:33:05.420 Please remove, stay woke.

06:33:07.320 Look at her sunburn, though. 0.95

06:33:08.440 I mean, it's just sunburns.

06:33:09.840 Redheads just burn. 1.00

06:33:11.560 It's crazy. 0.51

06:33:12.120 Okay, probably one of the final things that we're going to touch on here.

06:33:16.680 Charlie and Kelly.

06:33:19.560 You guys circled the following to which you agree.

06:33:23.440 Men are more privileged in society than women. 0.99

06:33:26.760 I simply ask, how, starting with Kelly?

06:33:31.880 And this is in general, right?

06:33:33.860 Not just in the U.S.?

06:33:35.080 Because I know there was one that was, like, about the U.S.

06:33:38.000 Yeah, let's just stick it to, stick to U.S. or Western countries, I guess.

06:33:43.840 For me, I think it just comes down to, like, we do have equality.

06:33:50.780 It's just a lot to do with, like, the social pressure and the idea of, like,

06:33:54.980 I'm a woman, like, I'm in the music industry,

06:33:57.180 and I'm put into constant question if I'm good enough

06:34:00.820 and a male counterpoint can be doing what I'm doing or half as much

06:34:05.440 and they're being praised for what they're doing.

06:34:07.540 And to me, it's difficult.

06:34:09.620 It's frustrating.

06:34:10.480 A lot of women have spoken about it. 1.00

06:34:12.620 A lot of women also in the industry tend to be put into uncomfortable situations 0.99

06:34:17.500 to be able to advance in their careers, whether it's sexually or just in general harassment.

06:34:23.580 Yeah, that happens.

06:34:25.460 Casting couch, yep.

06:34:27.240 But so...

06:34:28.200 You said casting couch?

06:34:29.560 Well, it's, like, in the Hollywood entertainment industry,

06:34:32.780 the casting couch, like, oh, what was the guy?

06:34:37.020 Harvey Weinstein.

06:34:37.880 Harvey, yeah.

06:34:38.720 He was like, I'll give you this really good role in the Tarantino flick

06:34:41.640 if you do some, you know, whatever. 0.72

06:34:44.460 Yeah, so that's definitely disgusting.

06:34:46.180 Definitely happens also in the music industry.

06:34:48.580 But I'm a bit, when it comes to privilege, right?

06:34:51.140 So you say men are more privileged in society than women.

06:34:56.440 At least as it relates to the music industry,

06:34:58.900 Taylor Swift is one of the highest, I think, is the highest earning musical artist.

06:35:03.520 There's plenty of women who end up being incredibly successful in the music industry. 1.00

06:35:10.180 I kind of fail to see how men are more privileged in society

06:35:14.920 as it relates to the music industry.

06:35:16.600 Taylor Swift even has a song called, I think it was, like, If I Was a Man.

06:35:20.660 And she writes in the song that she has overcome a lot of obstacles as a woman.

06:35:25.260 She's been questioned.

06:35:26.160 She's been looked down upon just for simply being a woman. 1.00

06:35:29.480 And in the chorus, she says, but if I was a man, it wouldn't be the case.

06:35:33.660 I mean, she's the apex of the music industry. 0.83

06:35:36.440 So I'm just...

06:35:37.060 Well, I mean, she's worked hard.

06:35:40.240 And she is successful and widely successful.

06:35:42.540 But she's bringing up a lot of points about women still overcoming a lot of obstacles 0.99

06:35:46.680 in these big industries, in this case being the music industry.

06:35:51.720 There's a lot of double standards.

06:35:53.300 There's a lot of questioning.

06:35:55.460 Where's the privilege, though?

06:35:57.100 Men don't have to really go through that.

06:35:59.180 Go through what?

06:36:00.140 Double standards, being questioned if they're good enough.

06:36:02.180 Off-stars?

06:36:02.380 No, I just said in big industries, not just the music industry, in any industry, I feel

06:36:09.480 like there's a lot of double standards for women that men don't have to overcome.

06:36:15.460 I would be willing to grant that women have unique experiences when it comes to moving through

06:36:21.040 the business world or various industries, whether it's the music industry, entertainment industry,

06:36:25.860 that are perhaps, again, unique to women.

06:36:29.560 But it's kind of just...

06:36:33.240 There's so many successful women in these industries. 1.00

06:36:37.500 You look at Taylor Swift.

06:36:38.580 She is the apex of the music industry.

06:36:40.900 She's the highest earning.

06:36:41.900 She's incredibly successful.

06:36:43.380 You look at other women. 0.98

06:36:44.500 I actually think perhaps if...

06:36:46.660 Look, I'm not an expert in the music industry.

06:36:48.360 But women are doing remarkably well in the music industry. 0.96

06:36:52.840 Yeah.

06:36:53.680 So I just don't understand this like...

06:36:56.120 But still, does that take away the fact that we have to overcome double standards?

06:36:59.960 We have to work twice as hard as our male counterpoints? 0.99

06:37:02.220 I'm not sure if you have to work twice as hard as men.

06:37:05.560 What do you mean?

06:37:07.140 By working twice as hard?

06:37:09.460 Or just like double standards?

06:37:10.760 Well, you said that you work twice as hard as a man in that industry.

06:37:14.320 How do you know that or show that?

06:37:15.800 Well, a lot of the times we're objectified.

06:37:20.260 We're taught to...

06:37:21.920 You have to look a certain way, act a certain way.

06:37:24.220 You have to be sexy. 0.95

06:37:25.260 You have to show skin to be able to sell.

06:37:28.160 And I feel like do men have to overcome that?

06:37:30.980 Do they have to objectify themselves to be able to market themselves as an artist?

06:37:36.380 I mean, in entertainment, any person trying to come up in entertainment is going to get

06:37:40.580 made fun of.

06:37:41.180 They're going to get ridiculed.

06:37:42.040 They're going to have to go through all the same struggles.

06:37:44.060 So this doesn't prove privilege.

06:37:46.040 That's what I don't understand.

06:37:46.920 Where's the privilege here?

06:37:50.520 Privilege to me is the fact that you don't even have to go through what we have to go

06:37:54.320 through.

06:37:54.760 But we go through the same ridicule, the same struggle to be successful, to be entertainers.

06:38:01.880 Not all.

06:38:02.660 I get jeered if I do bad at a performance.

06:38:05.120 But the examples that I just gave, like sexual objectification, is that similar to what you

06:38:12.800 guys are going through?

06:38:13.860 Like, I don't think it's as much as women go through and then have to go through. 0.87

06:38:17.940 So the only thing that proves privilege is that I'm not sexually objectified.

06:38:22.760 Well, that was one of the points that I gave.

06:38:24.560 That's one of the points that I gave.

06:38:26.320 I think you should say more of the music industry, not just like pop stars.

06:38:29.220 Like, I get it.

06:38:29.980 Like, a lot of us aren't, you know, aren't at that caliber of Taylor Swift doesn't mean

06:38:33.820 that just because we're not at that fan base, we're not going through the struggles that

06:38:39.420 any person in that industry is going through.

06:38:41.940 My idea of privilege is women, at the end of the day, they are being objectified. 1.00

06:38:48.840 They're being told that they have to look a certain way, act a certain way.

06:38:52.720 Um, people in upper management, if you don't, should they try to look attractive in those

06:38:57.680 positions? 0.94

06:38:58.420 It's like sex sells.

06:39:00.400 It's always like that.

06:39:01.300 It's always like sex sells.

06:39:02.500 But you, so you support that or you don't like that?

06:39:04.400 I support it if that's what you want.

06:39:06.340 I'm not saying it's bad, but I don't, I don't think it should be shoved down our throat so

06:39:10.720 much as it is.

06:39:11.460 Did anybody force you to dress the way that you're dressed currently?

06:39:15.300 No.

06:39:15.560 And then, I mean, do you, uh, post like revealing photos on your Instagram or do anything like that?

06:39:20.140 I do.

06:39:20.540 I, I don't find that being a wrong.

06:39:22.320 Yeah, but are you, are you like forced to do that?

06:39:24.340 How are you objectified if you're supporting that?

06:39:26.700 When there's people pressuring you, that's different from free will.

06:39:29.980 Like if I'm just feeling myself and I'm posting myself in revealing clothes because I want

06:39:35.020 to, it's not the same as if somebody was like a manager.

06:39:37.600 Hey, Kelly, I think you would sell more records if you were to show more skin. 1.00

06:39:42.180 Yeah, but pressuring doesn't violate your free will.

06:39:44.720 Your free will actually disproves like that pressuring can have an effect, like pressuring can

06:39:50.500 affect you, but your free will can actually overcome pressuring, right?

06:39:54.820 Say that one more time.

06:39:55.660 Like you, you still have your free will to overcome pressuring, right?

06:39:59.480 So you're saying there's a pressure in the industry that tells you to sell your sex, like

06:40:04.420 sell your sexuality, show more skin. 0.80

06:40:06.820 It's going to help you, help you in the game, right?

06:40:08.960 A lot of times we don't have choices.

06:40:11.280 There's a documentary that just came out for Karol G.

06:40:14.060 She's probably like the Taylor Swift version of the Hispanic community. 1.00

06:40:17.420 Who the fuck is that guy? 1.00

06:40:18.660 Hispanic community. 1.00

06:40:20.220 Karol G.

06:40:21.120 Tylo?

06:40:22.060 Karol G.

06:40:23.060 Karol G.

06:40:24.360 Wait, really quick question.

06:40:26.460 Are you signed to a record label or are you independent?

06:40:29.400 Independent.

06:40:30.000 So who is telling you to do the objectifying behaviors?

06:40:35.000 So I'm not saying it's me.

06:40:36.500 I see it in the community.

06:40:37.780 I have gone through that, but I'm talking as a world, like more of a world view.

06:40:42.680 Oh, so you're talking the zeitgeist surrounding the culture.

06:40:46.160 I have everyone that at my network, I've heard it through, yeah, the culture, my network.

06:40:49.420 So wait, what about the, so there's a documentary that demonstrates what's happening?

06:40:53.260 Okay, thank you.

06:40:53.820 Yeah, so she is, she mentioned that when she first started off, she signed over with a 0.90

06:40:59.280 manager that she was 16 at the time.

06:41:01.700 He was probably around 50.

06:41:03.180 He said to her, if you want, I have so many plans for you to become a pop star, but in order

06:41:06.860 for that to happen, you have to be with me. 0.55

06:41:08.980 I'm sexually attracted to you. 0.99

06:41:10.720 Okay, well, that's a predator, but. 0.99

06:41:12.180 Yeah.

06:41:12.280 If that doesn't occur, then, you know, your music industry is not going to happen.

06:41:16.340 Okay.

06:41:16.540 There's no yes or no to that.

06:41:18.120 I don't think we dispute that these things absolutely do happen, especially in the entertainment

06:41:22.380 and the music industry, but, I mean.

06:41:25.560 Wait, there's no yes or no to that?

06:41:26.780 What do you mean by that?

06:41:27.880 I feel like if.

06:41:29.240 Who's guiding this 16-year-old?

06:41:31.580 She was alone.

06:41:32.700 She was, she moved alone to.

06:41:34.300 I'm not denying that's predatory. 0.94

06:41:36.240 Like, that's disgusting.

06:41:37.700 That's like someone literally seeking out a weaker person.

06:41:42.120 But, um, it brings into question, like, what is a 16-year-old doing in that scenario?

06:41:49.080 Where, like, without, like, you're like, who's the guiding?

06:41:51.780 Like, if this, if this industry is so horrific, it seems like you would want more guidance and

06:41:56.120 oversight with, with situations like that.

06:41:58.420 Of course.

06:41:59.020 I mean, she was in a room alone. 0.90

06:42:00.520 She could have told her parents.

06:42:01.520 She decided not to.

06:42:02.440 There's so many, like, gray areas, middle grounds.

06:42:05.600 Um, some people just don't feel comfortable talking about that.

06:42:08.220 She even said it in the documentary, she was like, I'm really uncomfortable even bringing

06:42:11.060 this up because this could, like, ruin, like, ruin numbers.

06:42:14.060 Um, and she doesn't want to risk it, you know?

06:42:16.860 But this, you know, this thing also happens.

06:42:19.100 Uh, there are plenty of, like, uh, especially boys who were, like, child actors who are victimized

06:42:25.020 in just the same way in the entertainment industry.

06:42:27.980 There's, like, countless and countless examples of men.

06:42:31.460 Uh, and isn't there something going on with Justin Bieber right now?

06:42:34.480 I don't know the details of it.

06:42:35.620 But aren't they, uh, look, I don't know.

06:42:39.600 But he, wasn't he, like, when he got into the industry, some stuff with Diddy?

06:42:43.200 I don't know the details.

06:42:44.880 But, uh, it doesn't seem like this is a uniquely, uh, female thing. 0.96

06:42:49.240 But, uh, just to move it along a little bit, uh, besides the music industry thing, uh, men,

06:42:54.600 you say men are more privileged in society than women.

06:42:57.220 Anything else besides that?

06:42:58.940 No, I would say that's it.

06:42:59.980 Just the music stuff.

06:43:00.920 Going to you, uh, men are, you say men are more privileged in society than women.

06:43:04.420 Why is that?

06:43:05.860 When I circled, yes, the first thing that came to mind is how when a male walks into a

06:43:10.740 hospital and he's a patient, he's taken way more seriously than a woman.

06:43:15.560 And I see that firsthand.

06:43:18.280 That's it.

06:43:19.060 That was just, that was my psyche behind it.

06:43:21.260 What do you mean?

06:43:21.680 That's, you're saying that's been your experience?

06:43:23.880 No, that I've seen that happen.

06:43:25.980 Oh, because you're a paramedic.

06:43:27.120 Um, EMT, but yeah, I've seen that happen to where like a man will say like things that

06:43:32.980 aren't normal with him.

06:43:34.340 And then the doctors are going to be like, let's do the full scan.

06:43:36.780 Let's like, let's do a head to toe on you.

06:43:38.560 But like when a woman says something like that, it's kind of like a broken arm. 0.98

06:43:41.600 Hold on.

06:43:42.320 Just a couple of clarifying questions here.

06:43:44.160 You're EMS.

06:43:45.260 Yeah.

06:43:45.580 I'm an EMT.

06:43:46.540 You're an EMT.

06:43:47.240 And then, uh, have you seen this new, it's a really actually a decent show, even though it's

06:43:51.960 kind of woke, uh, the pit.

06:43:53.760 Have you seen it?

06:43:54.740 I've never heard of it.

06:43:55.600 Uh, EMS though.

06:43:57.100 Um, and you, so you drop people off at the emergency room?

06:44:01.240 Um, not with the job I currently do.

06:44:03.540 I, where would you drop them off?

06:44:05.920 Well, you said you were EMS, so you'd be transporting.

06:44:09.200 In my past.

06:44:09.980 And my, so there's two types of EMTs.

06:44:12.420 There's, there's, um, non-emergency EMTs.

06:44:15.840 They do like the, like taking grandma to like dialysis.

06:44:18.460 So like the non-emergency.

06:44:18.980 But you were doing emergency, right?

06:44:19.980 In the past.

06:44:20.800 Yes.

06:44:21.160 Currently at my job.

06:44:21.980 Right now.

06:44:22.220 Is that the emergency EMS thing?

06:44:25.080 That's where you witnessed these men being taken more seriously than the women?

06:44:30.520 I don't think it's necessarily like, oh, like it's not overt.

06:44:34.360 Like, oh, you're a man.

06:44:35.280 I'm taking you seriously.

06:44:36.220 Yeah, but that's where you witnessed it, right?

06:44:37.660 It's more like if a guy says this and this and this, and this is wrong with me, a doctor's

06:44:41.800 going to be like, let's do the whole thing.

06:44:43.040 Let's do the whole nine yards. 0.98

06:44:44.240 Okay.

06:44:44.340 But you said you witnessed it in your own field of occupation.

06:44:48.720 Yes, I have.

06:44:49.120 But when it comes to EMS, uh, typically when you, well, I guess if you're emergency transporting,

06:44:55.980 so because there's long wait lines in the emergency room, don't you typically just drop

06:45:01.800 them?

06:45:02.180 But how long do you stay with the doctor to make the determination that like you, you

06:45:09.880 stay the entire course of the patient being there at the hospital?

06:45:13.560 Like, don't, isn't it, you go in, uh, 62 year old male, uh, uh, ventricular, ventricular

06:45:20.900 defib, uh, boo, boo. 0.73

06:45:22.620 You give them a bit of details.

06:45:24.160 The, the hospital takes, I guess, uh, uh, they, they take the patient and then don't you go

06:45:30.500 back to work?

06:45:31.560 Yes.

06:45:32.220 By and large, like, yes, that's how it happens.

06:45:34.540 But sometimes, you know, the doctor and you will have like a sidebar conversation and you're

06:45:38.620 kind of seeing where the doctor's coming from.

06:45:40.420 I've seen doctors that say, oh, she's definitely being a hypochondriac. 1.00

06:45:44.260 And I'm like, I don't know if she is.

06:45:46.120 The doctor is consulting the, the emergency room doctor is consulting with a EMS.

06:45:53.400 Okay, go ahead.

06:45:54.220 I'm not saying consulting with, but sometimes we have sidebar conversations where like, I'm

06:45:58.540 like, Hey, like, you know, what do you think it is?

06:46:00.660 And we talk about it like, you know, cause that it's not violating HIPAA.

06:46:04.440 It's two people talking about a patient.

06:46:06.420 And sometimes the doctor will say like, whether they actually take it seriously or not.

06:46:10.260 And that's just kind of like the behind the scenes.

06:46:12.900 Do you think there's a disparity between hypochondriac between men and women?

06:46:20.420 The, the phenomenon?

06:46:22.400 Like, what do you mean?

06:46:23.580 Like, is it more likely the case that women will think something's terribly wrong, freak 1.00

06:46:29.400 out about it.

06:46:30.040 And it turns out it's nothing versus a man thinking something's terribly wrong and freaking

06:46:35.140 out.

06:46:35.460 And nothing's, nothing's wrong.

06:46:37.000 To be honest, in my experience, I've seen it pretty evenly divided amongst sexes is 0.67

06:46:43.420 that there's hypochondriacs on both sides, but I've noticed that men that are hypochondriacs

06:46:48.860 are still taken more seriously than women that genuinely are hypochondriacs.

06:46:53.400 So then how would you determine that it was because they were a man then?

06:46:57.020 Or are you just pointing out something you witnessed, but you're not sure?

06:47:00.520 Something, I mean, I'm, you're never going to be able to like pinpoint and say, this is

06:47:04.120 why, because I'm not in someone's head.

06:47:05.480 So I don't know what they're thinking.

06:47:06.740 Uh, just, just to move things along a bit, but, uh, so men are more privileged in society

06:47:12.820 than women. 0.99

06:47:13.220 Are there any other examples you can provide besides, uh, you're, uh, alleging that men

06:47:19.220 get taken more, alleging, yeah.

06:47:20.860 Alleging that men get taken more seriously in the healthcare setting.

06:47:24.160 I mean, I could sit down and like, if I did like more research, I could like bring up

06:47:29.840 studies and stuff.

06:47:30.580 Sure.

06:47:30.600 Anything that just comes to mind.

06:47:32.060 I don't like, we obviously, cause we have to move things along.

06:47:34.720 I don't have that type of time right now.

06:47:36.340 Well, you don't, you don't have to go detailed, but give me like one or two things of like

06:47:40.060 how men are more privileged in society.

06:47:43.120 Um, I definitely think, well, it's, it's slowly getting better now, but let's say crash

06:47:48.900 test dummies for a while.

06:47:50.700 They were just male dummies and that actually matters when it comes to like, aren't, I mean, 0.79

06:47:55.900 they're not humans though. 0.58

06:47:56.920 Aren't they just, no, but like male torso, like male, like male torso.

06:48:01.060 So, and you can laugh, but that's actually like a real study is that the points of impact

06:48:05.420 are completely different when you hit something.

06:48:07.040 What about, how do they test someone who I, who's a trans?

06:48:11.780 Well, it depends.

06:48:12.780 There's different stages.

06:48:13.680 Kylo. 1.00

06:48:14.120 What the fuck? 1.00

06:48:15.020 No, no, but no serious. 1.00

06:48:16.420 I'm just, seriously though.

06:48:17.620 I mean, I guess the, the sexism of seatbelts, I guess, but like how, how would a crash like

06:48:24.380 materially be that different?

06:48:26.780 Well, it's not that it's necessarily like, oh, seatbelts are sexist.

06:48:30.980 That's not necessarily what I'm getting at.

06:48:32.720 It's anthropometry, right?

06:48:33.580 Like men typically have a wider shoulder girdle in riding.

06:48:36.340 For example, if you ride horses, like in general, male center of balance is significantly higher

06:48:40.540 than women's. 0.70

06:48:41.160 And so, uh, like when it comes to like a female test dummy, one thing you'd want to like 0.99

06:48:45.540 buy it more binary, not a binary men.

06:48:47.160 Yeah.

06:48:47.280 I talked about two sexes. 0.99

06:48:48.660 Good job.

06:48:49.160 And it's bimodal, but can I try bimodal, sexist, gender.

06:48:53.200 I don't know if this is compelling at all, but isn't it also the case that men are more

06:48:57.020 likely to be involved in, uh, like catastrophic road accidents.

06:49:02.520 But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be testing road safety for seatbelts.

06:49:05.600 Sure.

06:49:05.800 That's fair.

06:49:06.440 Not for exceptions though.

06:49:07.940 Both sexes drive.

06:49:09.120 Yes.

06:49:09.420 Both sexes drive.

06:49:10.400 But like I often hear from feminists like, oh, well, you know, the reason for why men pay 1.00

06:49:14.780 more in car insurance is because they're more likely to get into accidents.

06:49:18.320 Fatal, fatal car accidents.

06:49:19.600 Women actually get in more accidents on average. 1.00

06:49:21.320 It's just awful.

06:49:21.880 It's awful.

06:49:22.400 It's so terrible.

06:49:23.700 Just, um, okay.

06:49:25.600 Um, I, what would be the justification of not making sure that seatbelts protect both

06:49:30.980 types of typical anthropometries of the sexes?

06:49:33.220 Well, who's to say that it's just not proof of male privilege.

06:49:35.840 Yeah.

06:49:36.280 Well, also who's to say that because the crash test dummy is male, that this wouldn't like

06:49:42.140 that, that the people testing this and doing a study set out with the intention of solely

06:49:48.200 testing it for, for men.

06:49:50.320 Like, uh, uh, they're like, okay, we're just going to do determination on impact and we're

06:49:55.500 just going to come to a conclusion that like using this test dummy, the damage that's caused

06:50:00.400 to the man is going to be like, it's going to be pretty similar to the damage that would

06:50:05.700 be caused to a woman.

06:50:06.980 I would just say a, the scientist is failing the generalizable principle and they probably

06:50:10.720 shouldn't be doing that.

06:50:11.520 And then the second question would be, why would they like default assume that the like

06:50:14.240 male torso should be the one that's used? 0.93

06:50:16.260 Right.

06:50:16.480 And in medical science, probably what you're saying, I don't even necessarily agree with

06:50:19.760 the like privilege point, but to the medical science thing, there's just a really long

06:50:22.680 history of typically testing and studying male bodies and finding results that don't

06:50:27.760 generalize well.

06:50:28.540 Well, I actually have a gripe with this.

06:50:31.080 I actually think it's evidence of female privilege that they don't find themselves in the bottom 1.00

06:50:37.180 rung of society that they need to allow their bodies to be medically experimented on.

06:50:42.480 So this idea, yes, because if you look at medical experimentation, drugs, uh, surgical procedures,

06:50:48.380 these are overwhelmingly tested on men because men are more, I guess either they're more willing,

06:50:53.220 uh, well, hold on.

06:50:54.900 Mostly because college athletes is the most common medical testing group and college athletes

06:50:58.560 are disproportionately male.

06:51:00.520 I'm not sure if that's even true, but I'll go ahead and grant it.

06:51:03.140 I don't think it's evidence of male privilege that they're getting like, uh, various medicines

06:51:08.600 pumped into them that could like, that are, they're being medically tested on.

06:51:12.400 I think that that would point towards female privilege that they don't find themselves in positions 1.00

06:51:17.380 in life where they need to be paid a couple hundred bucks to be pumped full of some like

06:51:21.420 totally detrimental, like experimental drug.

06:51:25.300 I don't know how it's male privilege to know what your symptoms of heart attack are, but

06:51:30.020 not know what like a female's symptoms of heart attack are fairly comparable.

06:51:34.280 They're not.

06:51:34.900 This is actually a really big issue is that when women have a heart attack, they often

06:51:38.820 feel like they're having like gut indigestion, which is why a lot of females will be found 1.00

06:51:42.700 dead on the toilet from a heart attack.

06:51:44.260 Whereas the common symptoms of like the pain rating down the arm is significantly more common

06:51:48.060 in males.

06:51:49.100 Yeah, sure.

06:51:49.980 I'll even grant that there's differences between this, but that still doesn't address

06:51:53.800 the medical experimentation point where why is it that it's not experimentation, right?

06:51:58.420 Like science is serving a population, figuring out how to help people with medical science

06:52:02.580 is usually good for that.

06:52:03.700 Are you trained in medicine?

06:52:04.360 Because you talk a lot about subjects that I don't think you're actually competent in.

06:52:07.860 I'm pretty good at reading literature.

06:52:09.060 I have a decent understanding of it.

06:52:09.480 I mean, she actually was when she was mentioning the gut thing and she was absolutely right. 1.00

06:52:12.840 No, I'm not asking if she's right about that point.

06:52:14.740 I'm saying, do you have any medical training?

06:52:16.860 You don't need training in any sort of area to diagnose people's situations?

06:52:21.180 I'm not diagnosing anyone.

06:52:21.680 Yes, you are.

06:52:22.040 You're talking about heart attacks in men and women.

06:52:25.580 I'm not diagnosing you with a heart attack.

06:52:27.480 I'm telling you about an empirical study that was done on heart attacks between men.

06:52:30.860 What empirical study?

06:52:31.720 I don't know the name of the study.

06:52:33.940 Really?

06:52:35.260 Did you read the study?

06:52:36.640 Yep.

06:52:36.880 Okay.

06:52:37.620 On heart attacks between men and women.

06:52:39.460 Yeah.

06:52:40.200 But you have no training in the subject matter.

06:52:43.100 I'm sure you've learned this in EMT.

06:52:43.520 No, she's not going to help you.

06:52:45.520 Help me.

06:52:46.200 Because she's not.

06:52:47.440 I mean, EMT has some medical training.

06:52:49.580 Just get to your dog.

06:52:50.100 Are you trained in medicine?

06:52:52.380 In.

06:52:53.260 No.

06:52:53.300 And so you have a study that you claim you've read.

06:52:56.040 Are you disputing what I'm saying?

06:52:57.840 Do you want to dispute what I'm saying?

06:52:58.860 I just want to know where you get the.

06:52:59.640 I'm not appealing to authority.

06:53:00.920 I'm just citing a study.

06:53:01.600 Wait a minute.

06:53:02.720 No, actually.

06:53:03.440 I'm not appealing to my authority.

06:53:03.780 If you think that proves your case, it would be an appeal to an authority.

06:53:06.160 Does it prove your case?

06:53:08.040 I'm not medically trained, nor am I claiming to be.

06:53:10.780 Do you think the appeal proves your case?

06:53:13.420 It seems like you think it is because you're asking me.

06:53:15.820 Can you ever answer a question?

06:53:17.300 I have answered so many questions, Jay, that it's actually insane.

06:53:21.220 This question, not the other ones.

06:53:22.380 There's so many questions you still won't answer from me.

06:53:25.160 Okay, so here we go.

06:53:25.840 This is your favorite talking point.

06:53:27.080 I know.

06:53:27.180 This is a child.

06:53:28.000 This is talking to a five-year-old child.

06:53:29.960 Again, if a five-year-old child means somebody who answers your questions and then at some point

06:53:33.760 rebuts with a Socratic question in return, then I guess, sure.

06:53:36.720 That's not how rebuttals work.

06:53:38.040 It's just dodging.

06:53:38.380 You can rebutt with questions.

06:53:39.440 It's dodging a simple question.

06:53:40.440 You can rebutt with questions, and I also answer your questions.

06:53:43.360 You don't know the papers.

06:53:44.480 You just say that there's this paper that you read about heart attacks.

06:53:47.360 So are you telling me now that this...

06:53:49.100 I can tell you the titles of books and papers that I've read.

06:53:50.980 Am I incorrect?

06:53:51.960 Am I incorrect about this medical finding?

06:53:52.580 I just want to know your sources.

06:53:54.380 I don't know the name of the study off the top of my head.

06:53:56.260 How do we know that you're saying anything after...

06:53:58.060 Go ahead and Google it afterwards.

06:53:59.540 Just Google it.

06:54:00.220 Yeah, go and look for the study you don't know.

06:54:01.880 That's your answer is Google.

06:54:03.160 I don't know the name of the study or who did it, but Google the study.

06:54:06.360 I don't know if you know how Google works.

06:54:07.660 It's pretty sophisticated.

06:54:08.740 You could probably put in study that looks at the comparison. 1.00

06:54:09.440 No, I'm pointing out how silly you are. 0.99

06:54:11.580 This is not a good point. 0.99

06:54:12.180 You just say things, and there's nothing to back it up over and over and over.

06:54:16.820 That means you're an empty suit.

06:54:18.360 That's the point.

06:54:18.940 Again, so are you saying that there is not a study that shows that there's a variance?

06:54:21.840 I just want to know from you.

06:54:22.380 So you disagree with the study?

06:54:23.140 I want to know from you.

06:54:23.720 Do you disagree with the study?

06:54:24.740 I want to know from you.

06:54:25.800 I've answered you.

06:54:26.440 Do you understand?

06:54:26.700 I'm just saying that's not what the Socratic method is.

06:54:28.420 Do you disagree with the study?

06:54:29.520 It's a dumb debate trick to avoid questions, and everyone can see that.

06:54:32.760 Do you disagree with the study? 0.92

06:54:33.260 I don't even know what you're talking about.

06:54:34.840 Just engage with the idea.

06:54:35.520 I don't know what you're talking about.

06:54:36.760 I just don't believe that there is a study.

06:54:38.420 I can remind you what we're talking about.

06:54:40.120 There's a medical difference in the symptomology of heart attacks between males and females.

06:54:43.600 You just say that these things exist with no sources.

06:54:45.400 Yeah, I don't spend a lot of time memorizing titles of studies, but that doesn't mean that I'm false about being wrong.

06:54:49.540 Then you're not actually competent in these matters.

06:54:51.300 You would know the sources.

06:54:52.020 That's not true.

06:54:52.280 No doctor would be like, I'm not actually a doctor because I can't cite my sources.

06:54:56.360 No sources, just assertions.

06:54:58.260 Just dispute the evidence.

06:54:59.840 Am I wrong?

06:55:00.720 Do you have evidence counter to this?

06:55:01.580 No sources, just assertions.

06:55:03.200 So heart attacks are not different symptoms.

06:55:05.020 I just want to know your sources.

06:55:06.140 Between males and females.

06:55:06.820 What's the source?

06:55:07.660 I don't know the name of the source, and this isn't a dunk.

06:55:09.780 So how do we know that there is one?

06:55:11.800 Again, a person.

06:55:13.000 Because I said so.

06:55:13.600 So if I can reference somebody trained in medical science, have you heard about this phenomenon where there was understudied?

06:55:19.060 Okay, so apparently in medical science.

06:55:21.080 You just cited a person who's not actually a doctor.

06:55:23.800 Well, she's trained in medical science. 0.96

06:55:26.200 Or is the bar now?

06:55:27.300 An EMT.

06:55:27.580 Okay, so you're literally just finding a person in the room who's had some medical exposure.

06:55:33.740 An EMT.

06:55:34.640 That's not a doctor.

06:55:35.700 I didn't say she was a doctor.

06:55:36.800 That's not an academic either.

06:55:37.900 Is your line for cadulity and believing anything only when doctors say things?

06:55:41.460 You claim that there's papers and you can't give a paper.

06:55:42.000 So are you telling me that if doctors say something, you believe it?

06:55:45.020 So did you believe in doctors during the cough-cough situation?

06:55:48.060 It's because you can't answer your source.

06:55:49.760 I've, again, answered multiple things.

06:55:51.480 There is no source.

06:55:51.500 What's the source?

06:55:52.040 Memorizing the title of a study is not evidence-

06:55:53.300 You don't know any titles of anything.

06:55:55.080 I don't need to.

06:55:56.220 You don't need to.

06:55:57.080 No.

06:55:57.400 You don't need to know titles of anything.

06:55:58.480 Yeah, because I- 0.99

06:55:58.760 You're a fraud. 0.99

06:55:59.600 I can engage. 1.00

06:55:59.920 You just exposed that you're a fraud. 0.95

06:56:01.120 I can engage with that. 0.97

06:56:02.020 This is-

06:56:02.340 No, you have no sources.

06:56:03.280 I feel really bad for you because you are going to think that this is some optical dunk and 0.99

06:56:08.260 you look so silly. 0.98

06:56:09.300 All of your citations are made up. 0.99

06:56:11.460 I have no citations of titles to prove whether or not a study was done.

06:56:13.980 No, I could give you books.

06:56:15.420 I didn't come prepped for the medical symptomology of heart attacks between men and women, but

06:56:19.940 it's an established phenomenon that people know about.

06:56:22.400 You can just look it up.

06:56:24.040 Chat can do it for you if you want.

06:56:25.180 You don't know anything. 1.00

06:56:26.760 You just say shit. 1.00

06:56:28.020 Jay. 1.00

06:56:28.260 And have no sources. 1.00

06:56:29.280 It's bullshit. 0.99

06:56:29.320 I know you're tired. 1.00

06:56:30.260 I know it's past your time. 1.00

06:56:31.120 No, it's bullshit. 0.99

06:56:31.840 You're going to be okay. 1.00

06:56:32.500 I'm calling you out for being a fake and a bullshitter. 1.00

06:56:34.720 This is just fallacious and you know this. 0.99

06:56:36.400 This is not true.

06:56:37.360 What's the source?

06:56:38.060 I got to move it on. 1.00

06:56:38.260 It's going to take a super chat coming up to be like, okay, Jay, shut the fuck up. 0.99

06:56:41.160 Just name one. 1.00

06:56:41.560 You've not named one all night.

06:56:42.720 I've named Costello as a source for my source on incels.

06:56:45.920 Do you question that one?

06:56:46.920 No, my questions.

06:56:47.980 I don't care about your incel paper.

06:56:49.260 Ladies and gentlemen.

06:56:50.180 My question.

06:56:50.840 Then you don't mind.

06:56:51.600 So when I.

06:56:52.180 Okay.

06:56:52.440 Gotcha.

06:56:52.880 Ladies and gentlemen, I got to move it on a little bit.

06:56:55.160 I'm going to let some chats come through.

06:56:59.160 Oh, my God.

06:56:59.900 Okay.

06:57:00.380 Time.

06:57:00.820 I'm going to let it come through, but it's a little pro.

06:57:03.260 Come on.

06:57:03.500 That's crazy.

06:57:04.860 Disavow.

06:57:05.300 I'm going to disavow this.

06:57:06.760 It is a roast, though.

06:57:08.100 So. 1.00

06:57:10.260 Get over yourself and put your tits away. 1.00

06:57:13.160 Wow. 1.00

06:57:13.480 Be better. 1.00

06:57:14.200 That's fucked up. 0.99

06:57:15.100 Thank you, Tim. 0.99

06:57:16.400 $30 TTS.

06:57:17.700 Streamlabs.com slash whatever.

06:57:19.100 Appreciate it.

06:57:19.640 You donated $30.

06:57:20.460 Oh, it's Giovanni.

06:57:21.520 Thank you.

06:57:21.860 The woman tried to discredit Jay because he couldn't distinguish two terms while he tries

06:57:27.140 to discredit her for not being able to name books.

06:57:30.680 Two sides of the same fallacious gingerly coin.

06:57:33.620 Gingerly?

06:57:34.300 As soon as I talk about the terms.

06:57:35.620 He donated $30.

06:57:37.080 She just interrupted.

06:57:37.820 Great show.

06:57:38.480 Brian.

06:57:39.380 Jay and JBR.

06:57:40.540 It is true.

06:57:41.420 I'm glad you could get Gisleine Maxwell out of prison to have her on the show.

06:57:45.400 Wait.

06:57:45.620 Who's?

06:57:46.220 He's calling me Gisleine Maxwell.

06:57:47.400 Oh, I see.

06:57:48.340 Okay.

06:57:48.980 Here, let's finish up really quick.

06:57:50.680 Then we'll let the rest of the chats come through.

06:57:53.100 Anything else when it comes to privilege or just the...

06:57:56.300 I mean, honestly, I'm tired.

06:57:58.180 I just want to pass the torch to someone else. 0.98

06:57:59.980 I'm fucking tired. 0.98

06:58:01.040 Is it a privilege? 0.99

06:58:01.940 Terrible cop-out.

06:58:02.980 I'm not copping out.

06:58:04.240 Do you think women get tired faster than men?

06:58:07.280 Like...

06:58:07.880 That explains the gender pay gap. 1.00

06:58:09.800 Oh, hold on.

06:58:10.900 Wait.

06:58:11.400 Hold on.

06:58:11.840 Like, tired as in exhausted?

06:58:13.660 Yeah.

06:58:13.800 Like, bodily.

06:58:14.580 Like, they can't keep their energy up as long.

06:58:18.880 Longer periods.

06:58:19.580 Wait.

06:58:19.860 I don't think so.

06:58:20.620 I have a comment on that.

06:58:22.540 If you women... 1.00

06:58:23.640 You see how lively all of us are?

06:58:25.480 You know, on the male side here.

06:58:27.220 You know, Jim Bob.

06:58:28.520 Jay's got a second wind here.

06:58:30.940 You guys are making a really good case for why the pay gap exists.

06:58:35.060 So, I'd recommend...

06:58:36.340 We've got maybe, I don't know, 20 minutes left or something.

06:58:38.720 I'd recommend for the final 20 minutes of the show, you guys, you know, chip her up a little bit. 1.00

06:58:42.960 That way, it doesn't have...

06:58:44.080 Wait.

06:58:44.260 So, you guys think the pay gap does exist?

06:58:46.680 No.

06:58:47.760 Oh.

06:58:48.680 Not an unjustified.

06:58:50.620 Not an unjustified.

06:58:52.000 There's a Freudian slip.

06:58:53.440 It does exist, but it doesn't exist.

06:58:54.980 Well, it exists if it supports my worldview.

06:58:56.560 Wait.

06:58:56.680 Wait.

06:58:56.780 Wait.

06:58:56.840 Can you name a paper on it?

06:58:57.960 Oh, God.

06:58:58.380 Wait a second.

06:58:59.440 Which confirmation bias do I fall for?

06:59:01.780 Kyla.

06:59:02.180 Kyla.

06:59:02.460 Kyla.

06:59:02.860 Kyla.

06:59:03.180 Kyla.

06:59:03.460 Kyla.

06:59:03.540 I have to ask you.

06:59:04.740 Because you're not your typical orthodox leftist, right?

06:59:08.280 You're the more reasonable kind, right?

06:59:11.760 According to you, I suppose.

06:59:13.220 I'm not describing myself that way.

06:59:14.700 Do you still argue the wage gap thing?

06:59:17.660 No.

06:59:18.120 Oh, okay.

06:59:18.640 I just wonder.

06:59:19.400 It's just interesting that you do.

06:59:21.040 No, no.

06:59:21.760 I think there's a disparity between pay between men and women, but there's a reason for it 1.00

06:59:26.280 that's totally fine.

06:59:26.680 So, you do think there's a gender wage gap? 0.73

06:59:27.800 $30 TTS.

06:59:28.240 Of course there.

06:59:28.680 Get it in.

06:59:28.940 $30 TTS.

06:59:29.700 Roast the entire panel.

06:59:31.780 Roast me. 0.88

06:59:32.120 Going to Kelly, you said to 16, women are oppressed in the United States. 1.00

06:59:38.640 You agree with the statement.

06:59:40.580 How are women oppressed in the United States? 1.00

06:59:43.560 So, I know it says the United States, but I do want to just acknowledge if any woman in

06:59:48.960 the world is oppressed, it's going to trickle down to the U.S.

06:59:55.120 It's going to trickle down to us women in the United States. 1.00

06:59:58.160 Wait, question for you.

06:59:59.320 Do you know the, I think it's the North Sentinelese Island?

07:00:05.740 You know that island where it's like maybe like 100 to 300 inhabitants?

07:00:10.100 They're like an uncontacted or mostly uncontacted tribe.

07:00:14.280 It's like a territory of India.

07:00:16.560 It's this island where they're just, they live on an island.

07:00:20.220 No technology. 0.99

07:00:21.360 If the men were just oppressing the shit out of the women on that island, how would that 0.99

07:00:26.960 have any fucking impact on us whatsoever? 0.99

07:00:30.220 It's social at the end of the day. 0.99

07:00:32.200 Like there, there, there's no communication out, no communication in.

07:00:36.920 To me, that's a very specific example.

07:00:39.600 I know.

07:00:39.940 I see where you're trying to go.

07:00:40.960 I'm being kind of annoying with it.

07:00:41.840 No, you're good.

07:00:42.360 You're good.

07:00:42.660 But I just feel like at the end of the day, if there's a woman out there that's being 1.00

07:00:45.380 like graped and there, I said grapes, but, um, yeah.

07:00:50.520 Okay.

07:00:50.780 Grape is bad.

07:00:51.800 It's terrible.

07:00:52.940 Um, but like oppression, like there's, there's levels a little, like not quite as bad.

07:00:57.960 They're not being protected by the law for just basic human rights in any country.

07:01:04.040 It's, it, it doesn't make sense why the U S do men have a duty to protect women.

07:01:09.780 Yes.

07:01:10.620 Do women have a duty to protect men? 1.00

07:01:14.940 No.

07:01:15.640 I want to ask this question to the panel.

07:01:18.840 So you guys would probably acknowledge, you guys would probably acknowledge that men have

07:01:24.140 duties to society.

07:01:25.600 You might even say they have duties to women. 1.00

07:01:27.140 What duties do women have to society or to men? 1.00

07:01:34.680 I'll just go ahead and pre-play this.

07:01:38.460 Do women have any duties to society? 1.00

07:01:42.680 Raising children.

07:01:43.600 Yeah.

07:01:44.080 Nice.

07:01:45.020 He's two.

07:01:46.040 W's in the chat.

07:01:47.040 Babies.

07:01:47.680 Babies.

07:01:48.640 Like what duties do women have? 1.00

07:01:50.820 I don't know.

07:01:51.300 A homemaker.

07:01:52.320 Okay.

07:01:52.840 Sure.

07:01:53.260 Children.

07:01:53.860 You're supposed to have a place to, you know, make your husband feel at home.

07:01:57.260 If he's going to be providing for you in that way.

07:01:59.780 What duties do women have? 1.00

07:02:01.440 Sophia, do they have any duties?

07:02:04.640 Abiding by the law, voting, following the like civil.

07:02:09.620 Is voting a duty?

07:02:11.140 I would say as a person of democracy.

07:02:13.300 Yeah.

07:02:13.400 I would say voting is a duty.

07:02:15.000 Civic duty.

07:02:16.180 Civic duty.

07:02:16.940 Okay.

07:02:18.400 Okay.

07:02:18.940 All right.

07:02:19.220 I'll move it on.

07:02:20.100 But so, okay.

07:02:20.960 You're saying women are oppressed in the USA. 0.93

07:02:23.760 You're going to say in other countries.

07:02:26.300 But can you explain to me in the USA?

07:02:28.120 Because that is the question.

07:02:29.700 Yeah, I know.

07:02:30.100 Yeah.

07:02:30.720 How are women oppressed in the USA? 1.00

07:02:33.520 I think we tend to forget that the U.S. is composed of many different races.

07:02:39.840 And I come from a Latin background.

07:02:42.160 I was born in the U.S.

07:02:43.120 My parents are from Costa Rica.

07:02:44.580 So I'm first generation.

07:02:46.100 I see a lot of Latin women, especially in the U.S., that go through a lot of, it's within 1.00

07:02:53.960 the community.

07:02:54.580 It's brought from our countries into the U.S. 0.72

07:02:56.840 And I acknowledge that.

07:02:58.500 It's a lot of oppression, a lot of abuse, marital abuse, relationship abuse, a lot of

07:03:03.500 domestic violence.

07:03:03.560 You're talking about like machismo?

07:03:05.180 Yeah.

07:03:05.760 Mm-hmm.

07:03:06.040 Okay.

07:03:08.300 Is there anything, how about this, like state down, government down, any oppression on that

07:03:13.920 front?

07:03:15.020 For the government?

07:03:15.820 For women.

07:03:16.880 Like are women oppressed under law in any sort of way? 1.00

07:03:21.480 Abortion is illegal in certain states.

07:03:24.600 Sure.

07:03:25.240 Which I think it's a human right.

07:03:27.340 It's a human right to end a human life.

07:03:29.940 How did you get that?

07:03:30.660 Abortion debate here at the end.

07:03:33.060 But I'm curious though, because we're saying women are oppressed in the U.S.A., men can't

07:03:38.880 get abortions.

07:03:41.280 It's not clear to me if there's like an asymmetry in terms of anything there.

07:03:47.940 Well, here's an asymmetry.

07:03:49.560 If a woman has the right to terminate a child, but if she decides to keep it, the man has 0.99

07:03:57.480 to pay for it.

07:03:58.260 So he has no say in whether she's going to have it or not.

07:04:01.260 But if she does have it, he has to pay for it.

07:04:04.660 Right?

07:04:06.080 Is that privilege?

07:04:07.260 Who's privileged in that scenario?

07:04:08.800 That's a good question, Jim Bob.

07:04:12.320 How about the crickets? 1.00

07:04:13.120 Here, I'll play that shit for you. 1.00

07:04:14.860 Go ahead. 1.00

07:04:15.460 There you go.

07:04:16.480 Say that one more time, actually.

07:04:17.580 If it's your human right to end the continued life of another human life that starts at

07:04:24.820 conception, you get to do that, right? 0.55

07:04:27.460 That's your right, which needs to be upheld and protected by men, right? 1.00

07:04:32.280 You know, your rights are protected by men. 0.98

07:04:34.140 So if you decide to have the child, a man who has no say in whether you have the child or 0.74

07:04:41.120 not has to pay for the child.

07:04:44.840 Who's privileged in that scenario?

07:04:47.580 I see where you're coming from.

07:04:49.460 I don't think...

07:04:50.800 So in these states, women don't even have the option to have an abortion. 1.00

07:04:56.160 Let's grant you, you have the freedom to have your liberated termination of your own

07:05:01.440 child, okay?

07:05:03.620 Totally free.

07:05:04.600 You get to do it.

07:05:05.340 It's paid for even, okay?

07:05:08.320 You get to decide if you're going to do that or not.

07:05:10.760 The man has no say in whether or not you can do that or not.

07:05:13.960 But you have a say in the man paying for it if you decide to keep it.

07:05:19.080 At the end of the day, if you didn't use a condom and you wanted to have a kid... 0.59

07:05:23.540 Wait, wait, wait.

07:05:23.900 Just to be clear.

07:05:24.460 Oh, my gosh.

07:05:24.620 Sorry.

07:05:25.300 Just to be clear.

07:05:26.100 Just take your...

07:05:27.060 No, no, no.

07:05:27.900 It's just like those are the consequences to having unprotected sex.

07:05:30.800 So the consequences for a man for not wearing a condom, right, is that he has to pay for

07:05:36.560 your child.

07:05:37.360 But there's no consequences for you having sex without a condom. 0.94

07:05:41.540 Having a child. 0.64

07:05:42.940 That's a huge burden.

07:05:44.400 Yeah.

07:05:44.780 Are you...

07:05:45.300 Do you think that people...

07:05:46.360 This is a whole life.

07:05:47.100 Do you think that people should face the consequences of their actions in a society?

07:05:52.260 Is that better?

07:05:53.060 I've been saying yes to that.

07:05:54.600 Yes, but also you can abort your child. 0.93

07:05:56.820 I'm pro-choice.

07:05:59.100 I think at the end of the day, like, take responsibility for your actions, but I don't

07:06:05.100 think you should be telling.

07:06:06.260 Like, if you don't want to have the child, don't have the child.

07:06:09.200 If you do want to have the child, you have it.

07:06:10.240 Who's not having a choice?

07:06:11.540 Who's the one entity that's a human who doesn't have a choice in that scenario?

07:06:18.200 If you believe so much in choice.

07:06:19.860 I don't think if...

07:06:22.720 I don't think that's a child.

07:06:24.160 It's too...

07:06:24.420 When did your life start?

07:06:25.360 Or...

07:06:26.040 I don't think...

07:06:27.040 When did your life begin?

07:06:28.460 I don't think the first trimester as a child.

07:06:29.760 I know you think that, but when did your life begin?

07:06:32.660 I'm sure during the first trimester, but to me it's that...

07:06:34.620 No, no, when exactly?

07:06:35.800 There's actually a moment where your unique DNA begins.

07:06:40.440 There's a unique moment.

07:06:42.480 Everybody at this table right now, there's no way we existed without this specific moment.

07:06:48.440 What's an ectopic pregnancy? 1.00

07:06:49.980 Shut up. 1.00

07:06:51.160 You don't know, do you? 1.00

07:06:52.300 Stop derailing.

07:06:53.540 I'm talking to her.

07:06:54.140 Don't save her.

07:06:54.660 It's super relevant to abortion.

07:06:55.940 Don't save her.

07:06:56.780 What's an ectopic pregnancy? 1.00

07:06:57.840 If you can, though, just try to wrap it just because we can't linger too long.

07:07:02.180 You'll notice a lot of men with a lot of opinions on this don't know many things about pregnancy.

07:07:06.260 What ectopic?

07:07:07.300 It's when it's implanted in the wrong position.

07:07:09.840 What do you do about that?

07:07:11.300 I don't know.

07:07:11.880 It depends on the scenario. 0.99

07:07:13.660 Do you have to kill the baby or... 0.98

07:07:16.000 I'm not sure. 1.00

07:07:17.340 You have to.

07:07:18.080 An ectopic pregnancy is always unviable.

07:07:20.260 Okay, so do you consider that an abortion or what? 1.00

07:07:23.380 I'm asking you because you said that you have to kill it. 0.99

07:07:25.140 Well, this is a derailing. 0.99

07:07:26.040 I'm asking...

07:07:26.720 The question is, when does the life begin?

07:07:29.920 Well, I'm asking you, assuming when the life begins.

07:07:32.320 You're changing the subject.

07:07:32.520 You're changing.

07:07:33.160 Dude, when do you...

07:07:34.220 You're so bad at...

07:07:34.820 I'm assuming you think that life begins when fertilization has happened.

07:07:38.640 So my question would be... 0.98

07:07:39.320 You're a witch with words. 0.98

07:07:40.000 With the ectopic pregnancy, do you know? 0.98

07:07:41.440 You don't know how it spells.

07:07:42.280 You have words.

07:07:42.400 Witches are cool. 0.99

07:07:43.220 Wait, Kyla. 0.52

07:07:44.100 So if Jim Bob were to grant that in that instance, yes, abortion is warranted, would you be okay 0.98

07:07:49.200 with all other abortions being banned?

07:07:51.060 I'm not pro...

07:07:51.760 I'm not...

07:07:52.400 Oh, okay.

07:07:52.860 Well, here.

07:07:53.200 So just really quick for the whole panel, sort of related to Jim Bob's question.

07:07:57.400 Take a guy who has a one-night stand with a woman, and she gets pregnant, and she opts 0.97

07:08:03.720 to keep the child.

07:08:04.920 Should he be on the hook for child support?

07:08:07.260 Yes.

07:08:07.720 Yes?

07:08:10.260 Yes.

07:08:10.880 Yeah.

07:08:12.520 Yeah.

07:08:13.040 She's not even listening.

07:08:13.880 She's just looking at her nails.

07:08:15.520 No.

07:08:16.900 No.

07:08:18.540 That's a sticky question.

07:08:21.620 No.

07:08:22.500 If he didn't want it...

07:08:24.640 I got distracted.

07:08:25.840 What was the question?

07:08:27.320 Okay.

07:08:27.600 Well, here.

07:08:29.380 I want to kind of change the framing a little bit.

07:08:33.040 Are men who don't want to pay child support, are they deadbeats?

07:08:39.480 Not necessarily.

07:08:40.880 It really depends.

07:08:43.340 Okay.

07:08:43.900 I think men should have the same sexual reproductive rights that women do.

07:08:47.780 So if you grant women the ability to abort a fetus, you should probably give men a financial 1.00

07:08:52.280 abortion, essentially, right?

07:08:54.720 Legal paternal surrender, or paper abortion.

07:08:56.520 Yeah.

07:08:56.880 Something like that.

07:08:58.700 Do you think, though...

07:08:59.600 How about this?

07:09:00.720 Those of you who are pro-choice, if the woman's reason for wanting to get the abortion is

07:09:04.740 simply she's just not ready, and she's not financially capable of having a child justified

07:09:10.000 for the abortion, yes or no?

07:09:13.580 It depends on when.

07:09:17.580 When's your cutoff?

07:09:19.560 Prior to your cutoff?

07:09:20.940 Legally?

07:09:22.260 Legally, I think Canada has the best model, which is like leaving it up to like, I don't

07:09:26.000 think that this should be criminal.

07:09:27.220 It should be doctor and woman. 0.99

07:09:29.620 Age of viability is probably somewhere like 15 weeks.

07:09:32.300 Okay.

07:09:32.320 What about you?

07:09:32.880 Not justified. 0.69

07:09:33.820 You shouldn't have had sex. 0.94

07:09:34.760 Okay. 0.85

07:09:35.100 What about you?

07:09:35.540 Justified, okay.

07:09:38.660 Can you say the question one more time?

07:09:40.400 Yeah, so the woman gets pregnant, she just, she's not ready, doesn't want to have the 1.00

07:09:46.100 kid, not financially ready.

07:09:49.640 Justified to get the abortion, yes or no?

07:09:51.920 Yes.

07:09:52.900 Yes.

07:09:53.260 Okay, so, but then you put a man in that situation, he isn't financially ready to have

07:09:59.180 the kid, he's not ready, whatever it is, should he be on the hook for child support in the

07:10:04.620 event that he does get a woman pregnant and she decides to keep it, should he pay child

07:10:10.940 support?

07:10:14.100 No.

07:10:14.940 No?

07:10:15.160 Uh, like she said, well, like surrendering, like his legal, like, um, just to be clear

07:10:21.840 in all 50 states, regardless of the circumstances as a man, if you have a child, you're on the

07:10:28.280 hook for, you can be on the hook for child support.

07:10:31.180 Well, you are on the hook for child support, whether she seeks it or not, that's not a

07:10:34.760 conversation.

07:10:36.240 I would still say he has to, yeah.

07:10:38.360 He has to, okay.

07:10:39.160 I'm going to say no after you put it that way.

07:10:41.360 Okay.

07:10:43.040 My answer was just a second.

07:10:43.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:10:44.260 What about you?

07:10:44.640 Well, it's just interesting to me because you were saying, well, the consequences for

07:10:48.720 the guy, when Jim Bob was asking you about, uh, the child support situation, well, you

07:10:54.120 should have thought of that.

07:10:55.140 This isn't, this like, couldn't you, it's like a bronze age, uh, pro-life position.

07:11:02.180 You should have just kept your legs closed.

07:11:04.900 No, you should have just taken the precautions.

07:11:07.560 Right.

07:11:08.120 Closing your legs is the best precaution.

07:11:09.940 But couldn't you make that same argument towards women? 0.55

07:11:13.740 Sorry.

07:11:15.180 Couldn't you make that?

07:11:16.060 Okay.

07:11:16.300 You should have thought of the consequences before as a woman, you got pregnant. 1.00

07:11:20.660 It goes both ways.

07:11:22.020 It's not just one way.

07:11:22.980 Right.

07:11:23.160 But women can escape this by just getting an abortion. 1.00

07:11:25.900 Right.

07:11:26.320 Men have no escape route.

07:11:28.480 Well, I just, I just agree with you.

07:11:30.020 I just agree with you in your, uh, final question about if they, if they can't afford it and they

07:11:35.700 don't, they don't want the child, then no, they shouldn't be responsible for it.

07:11:39.900 Okay.

07:11:40.300 But earlier you were saying, well, they should have thought of that before.

07:11:43.820 I still think they should have been like taking the precautions.

07:11:46.980 All right.

07:11:47.080 I won't linger on that.

07:11:48.020 And you shouldn't have taken the precautions?

07:11:50.100 Both ways.

07:11:50.940 Should have both.

07:11:51.720 And what's the ultimate precaution? 0.81

07:11:53.760 Save sex.

07:11:54.560 No. 0.98

07:11:54.920 Or not having sex. 1.00

07:11:55.700 That's why I stick to anal sex. 1.00

07:12:00.040 What the fuck? 1.00

07:12:00.980 That's crazy. 1.00

07:12:02.180 That's not sex. 0.89

07:12:02.940 Is that Ryan Reynolds?

07:12:03.680 Apparently.

07:12:05.860 Just, can you clarify though?

07:12:07.540 It was.

07:12:08.680 Women are oppressed in the USA. 0.99

07:12:10.660 Anything besides abortion?

07:12:13.340 Um, we're oppressed at the time.

07:12:17.280 So.

07:12:19.060 And we got, we're good.

07:12:20.860 Go ahead.

07:12:21.340 Give us an example.

07:12:22.080 Um.

07:12:25.700 I feel, um, I'm sure there's so many more.

07:12:36.040 I'm tired.

07:12:37.020 You got it.

07:12:37.640 Come on.

07:12:37.980 Just give me one.

07:12:38.820 Give me one.

07:12:39.560 How are women oppressed in the United States? 1.00

07:12:42.700 Like through the government.

07:12:43.960 It has to be.

07:12:44.940 No, not just social.

07:12:46.360 No, not necessarily.

07:12:47.700 But if you had one that what did pertain to the government.

07:12:50.920 Here, I'll give you an example.

07:12:52.460 Uh, in certain jurisdictions, women can't be topless. 1.00

07:12:56.600 I don't know if that's necessarily.

07:12:57.920 Well, okay.

07:12:58.360 That relates more to, so to rights than the, I wouldn't categorize that as oppression, but

07:13:02.740 it conceivably is a right that men have that women don't.

07:13:05.740 Okay.

07:13:06.100 You actually brought up an idea. 0.96

07:13:06.620 I don't even think women want to be walking around with their titties out. 1.00

07:13:09.300 So.

07:13:09.820 Um, so I think with the whole, like covering your shoulders and not wearing certain things

07:13:15.680 during school hours, I think that's something that feels very degrading towards

07:13:20.120 little girls.

07:13:20.840 Um, and that's like very much implemented in schools.

07:13:23.500 If a girl is showing like shoulders, they get sent home. 0.99

07:13:26.480 Okay.

07:13:26.500 Dress codes.

07:13:27.320 Yeah.

07:13:27.660 Dress codes.

07:13:28.100 Okay.

07:13:28.840 I mean, technically wouldn't, I don't know actually how it works.

07:13:32.660 Like if a guy was wearing booty shorts, wouldn't he also be in like getting trouble with the

07:13:37.740 dress code? 0.99

07:13:38.220 If he was wearing like booty shorts with his ass cheeks out. 0.98

07:13:40.640 Well, like in high school, guys are told they can't wear certain shirts, certain color 0.98

07:13:46.060 bandanas.

07:13:47.020 I mean, is that oppression?

07:13:48.620 I don't know if it's oppression.

07:13:49.780 I think it's weird that people are already sexualizing a child and saying, hide your

07:13:54.340 shoulders.

07:13:54.760 It's like, what?

07:13:56.300 It's a child.

07:13:57.320 What?

07:13:57.560 I mean, if, if like a 12 year old wanted to show up to school wearing a G string and you

07:14:04.480 said, no, would that be used?

07:14:06.700 G string versus a tank top.

07:14:07.740 I think that's a bit, well, I'm using an extreme to kind of paint the picture here.

07:14:12.720 Of course.

07:14:13.340 A G string. 0.85

07:14:13.900 Like that's just, that's being naked almost.

07:14:16.380 So I don't think that's the same as wearing a tank top.

07:14:18.800 I think our tank top, wait, shoulder, G string, G string versus a tank top.

07:14:24.540 Sure.

07:14:25.100 But I don't even think tank tops are, women are banned from wearing tank tops. 1.00

07:14:30.200 Yes.

07:14:30.440 They get sent home.

07:14:31.720 She wouldn't be able to wear this to middle school, high school or anywhere.

07:14:36.140 Really?

07:14:36.420 It's been a minute.

07:14:37.180 It's been a minute since, uh, it's like the, okay.

07:14:39.960 Yeah.

07:14:40.140 I heard about the spaghetti straps thing.

07:14:42.000 Yeah.

07:14:42.880 Okay.

07:14:43.520 I mean, is there anything actually important?

07:14:46.520 I mean, I think that's very important.

07:14:49.080 Oh, they can't, they can't wear.

07:14:50.660 Do you think that's oppression?

07:14:52.360 I think that's sexualizing children, which is weird.

07:14:55.280 Having a dress code is sexualizing.

07:14:57.200 Why do, why do they need to cover up their shoulders?

07:14:59.260 It's just like, what if it's really hot outside?

07:15:01.520 What about school uniforms in like a classical school?

07:15:04.200 Yeah, sure.

07:15:05.000 But that's, that's oppressive.

07:15:05.900 No, that's not.

07:15:06.920 What if the girl says, you know what?

07:15:09.540 These uniforms, I think, what do you mean?

07:15:11.580 How is it not?

07:15:12.600 Well, answer her question.

07:15:13.700 What's wrong with her shoulders being out? 1.00

07:15:16.080 What?

07:15:16.560 Her question.

07:15:17.400 You guys didn't answer her question.

07:15:18.260 Well, I'm just saying there's code.

07:15:19.820 So it's like, you could argue it from a distraction point of view.

07:15:23.140 It doesn't have to be sexual.

07:15:24.480 What do you mean distracting?

07:15:25.240 What's distracting about shoulders?

07:15:26.880 Uh, skin is generally distracting.

07:15:29.580 Showing skin is generally distracting. 1.00

07:15:31.380 It's something else to look at for people.

07:15:33.740 So even for a child?

07:15:35.640 Yeah, I would say that's true for a child, even if they don't understand it.

07:15:38.520 Skin is distracting? 0.97

07:15:39.740 Yeah.

07:15:39.960 So like your arm skin is distracting?

07:15:42.120 Yeah, I would say the more, especially women's shoulders, depending on the culture, women's 1.00

07:15:45.700 shoulders and neck reveal is something.

07:15:48.140 I mean, in the same situations, like guys can't typically go shirtless, right?

07:15:52.460 Guys have to abide by the dress code.

07:15:54.180 I can't go into my middle school class with my shirt off, right?

07:15:57.220 But it's not oppression.

07:15:59.020 It's just having standards and codes.

07:16:00.820 It's just so...

07:16:01.220 Oh, well, I'm not arguing for the oppression thing.

07:16:02.880 I just wanted you guys to engage with like, what's the issue with shoulders?

07:16:05.340 Because it seems like you guys agree with that standard.

07:16:07.100 So I'm trying to understand like, why do you have an issue with your shoulders?

07:16:09.680 I'm not impressed, and the example is because middle schools have dress codes that don't

07:16:13.500 show skin.

07:16:14.520 That's not oppression.

07:16:15.740 It's so much more than that.

07:16:17.240 It's just...

07:16:17.440 We're waiting.

07:16:18.040 Sure, I just wanted to understand your guys' aversion to shoulders, because it seemed like

07:16:21.320 you guys agreed with that standard.

07:16:21.880 Honestly, I don't even care if a girl's wearing like a tank top to... 1.00

07:16:25.960 You're like, do away with those rules.

07:16:27.500 I don't think I'd really care, but I mean, some of these rules are probably like extremely

07:16:32.660 outdated too.

07:16:33.800 Yeah, but it's like...

07:16:34.640 The reason...

07:16:35.700 But like outdated for what?

07:16:37.060 What do you think the past was trying to regulate about the woman or the girl?

07:16:41.500 Well, I think the past had much stricter general rules when it came to dress.

07:16:46.840 Yeah, modesty, right?

07:16:47.660 It's about modesty.

07:16:48.420 Which is about sexuality.

07:16:49.260 Well, yeah, it's about just...

07:16:50.560 It's more than that.

07:16:51.400 It's just...

07:16:51.800 Modesty is not just sexuality.

07:16:54.800 It's not just sexuality.

07:16:56.220 But you're not showing the humble heart of it, actually.

07:16:58.660 Modesty is even how like...

07:17:00.240 Look, if you were fully dressed in a full thing, you would still not be a modest person.

07:17:04.980 Sure, yeah.

07:17:05.520 You're talking about like humble heart.

07:17:06.620 But when we're talking about dress code, we're not like worried about their humble heart.

07:17:10.520 Look, look.

07:17:10.860 We're worried about their shoulders.

07:17:12.120 Look, it's not just shoulders.

07:17:13.280 Look.

07:17:13.560 Look at the difference.

07:17:14.500 Like someone...

07:17:15.360 You say, okay, we'll allow a tank top, right?

07:17:17.900 And then they go, okay, what if I cut the loops off of the shoulders and now it's just

07:17:21.800 like a tube top?

07:17:22.960 Yeah.

07:17:23.160 Is that okay?

07:17:24.020 Well, this isn't the argument that I'm making.

07:17:25.740 I'm trying to understand...

07:17:26.060 Because you don't want to answer the question.

07:17:27.300 Well, it's irrelevant to what we're talking about.

07:17:30.000 The point is, when you set a standard, even if you find it arbitrary about a tank top,

07:17:35.140 what it's saying is that...

07:17:36.660 I'm just trying to understand your reason to be averse to the tank top.

07:17:39.360 That's all I'm trying to understand.

07:17:40.580 Modesty.

07:17:40.620 What's immodest about shoulders?

07:17:42.700 Showing more of your skin for a woman is generally away from modesty. 0.98

07:17:46.460 So should...

07:17:47.500 What's your ideal dress code?

07:17:49.200 For schools?

07:17:50.040 For girls.

07:17:50.420 My kids go to school where they are fully covered. 0.70

07:17:53.240 All the kids are fully covered.

07:17:54.660 To here?

07:17:55.480 I think it's kind of trashy that like for both men and women to be, or boys and girls 1.00

07:17:59.740 to be showing up in like tank tops, I think there's probably some leftover from like when

07:18:07.940 people, and this applies societally, when people dressed a bit more generally, dressed

07:18:14.440 up more formally, but for example, even when I was in like elementary school, sagging was

07:18:20.480 the big thing, and this is specifically tends to be like a boy thing, the sagging of the

07:18:25.660 pants.

07:18:26.140 Is this like sexualizing male boys because you don't want them to sag their pants? 0.96

07:18:31.860 No. 0.87

07:18:32.060 Or is this just like kind of like, don't show your underwear?

07:18:35.460 Like is this sort of like just a formality of like present yourself in such a way that's

07:18:40.660 Etiquette.

07:18:41.320 Becoming of...

07:18:42.220 I'm just trying to understand if you guys think that shoulder sharing is sexual or...

07:18:46.380 No.

07:18:46.900 No, it's not necessarily...

07:18:47.780 I don't think it's...

07:18:48.580 Me personally, I don't know.

07:18:49.740 No, no, no.

07:18:50.340 It's more...

07:18:50.880 It's a bigger argument about just standards, etiquette, presentation, formality.

07:18:56.320 Like for instance, who works from home?

07:18:59.980 You work from...

07:19:00.880 You never notice like even if you're working from home, have you ever tried to like dress

07:19:06.000 up even though you're not leaving?

07:19:08.060 Like get yourself impeccable even though you're home?

07:19:11.120 Like you could actually just be in your sweatpants, right?

07:19:13.520 But you actually get impeccable to work.

07:19:17.000 Have you ever done that?

07:19:18.420 I try to...

07:19:19.660 I try to mostly look good for my husband to some degree.

07:19:23.020 So there's a certain standard.

07:19:24.160 I don't get ready.

07:19:25.900 So you're asking, yeah, do I like try to dress up specifically for work to like put myself

07:19:29.280 in the mentality for work?

07:19:30.240 I'm assuming is what you're meaning to.

07:19:31.440 Yeah, yeah.

07:19:31.720 I think that's a decent environmental stimulus.

07:19:33.860 That's not particularly like what I do.

07:19:35.940 But with children, right?

07:19:36.900 I guess what we're trying to get to is you guys were like, yeah, tank tops are bad.

07:19:41.820 And we were...

07:19:42.220 I was just trying to understand why you're concerned about tank tops because she was using 1.00

07:19:46.240 the line, it's sexualizing children. 1.00

07:19:47.760 You guys were saying, well, no, it's not.

07:19:49.440 It's about something else.

07:19:50.620 It sounds like it is about sexualizing children.

07:19:53.160 It's not about sexualizing children.

07:19:54.860 We just gave you a bunch of different ways of viewing that.

07:19:58.300 But it has nothing to do with, by the way, what the topic is, which is whether or not

07:20:02.800 that's oppressive to have standards of dress code in any place.

07:20:07.240 I'm not engaging with that.

07:20:07.940 Really quick on that.

07:20:08.620 Rachel Wilson says spaghetti straps aren't about showing shoulders. 1.00

07:20:12.780 It was about bra showing. 0.99

07:20:14.360 They don't want young girls having their bras hanging out in school. 1.00

07:20:16.980 This is similar to the sagging thing, right?

07:20:20.260 I think it's similar to the sagging thing.

07:20:22.080 They don't want the underwear showing.

07:20:23.560 That would include the bra.

07:20:24.560 They don't want boys sagging their pants. 1.00

07:20:26.620 It just looks stupid. 1.00

07:20:28.780 What is so wrong about a bra? 1.00

07:20:30.900 I'm confused.

07:20:31.760 Consider underwear.

07:20:32.840 It's underwear.

07:20:33.820 But sometimes it will come off.

07:20:36.340 It will fall.

07:20:36.980 There's nothing wrong with that.

07:20:38.000 Is this bad, though?

07:20:39.700 What?

07:20:40.000 You guys, we all agreed that this would not be allowed in middle school.

07:20:42.500 There's no bra showing.

07:20:43.160 I don't know.

07:20:43.720 Yeah, we don't know.

07:20:44.800 No, anyway.

07:20:45.280 My personal taste.

07:20:46.480 But there's no bra showing.

07:20:47.320 I'm fine with it.

07:20:48.820 Yeah, there's no bra showing.

07:20:50.260 Well, because the entire top hat is exposed.

07:20:53.200 So, I mean, it's still like this level of, it's not necessarily the most modest thing.

07:20:57.380 How is the dress code oppression?

07:20:59.600 That's what I understand.

07:21:00.760 This is so.

07:21:01.320 Socially, I feel like that's bringing down.

07:21:03.760 It's sexualizing women. 1.00

07:21:05.500 How is modesty sexualizing them?

07:21:08.880 It's the opposite.

07:21:09.960 It's the opposite.

07:21:12.280 Well, explain yourself.

07:21:13.140 To have a modest dress code is the opposite of sexualizing them.

07:21:19.640 Oh.

07:21:21.600 I just think at the end of the day, like, women should be able to dress a certain way without... 1.00

07:21:27.040 They're not women. 1.00

07:21:27.900 These are children.

07:21:28.580 Well, I'm talking about in general.

07:21:29.900 This is going to go outside.

07:21:31.380 So, if the children want to...

07:21:32.440 It's in the workforce.

07:21:33.980 It's not just in schools.

07:21:35.980 This is like multiple situations.

07:21:37.320 You should be able to wear whatever you want at any job you're at?

07:21:40.000 No, I think it should just be...

07:21:42.040 You should be able to not feel uncomfortable to show shoulders. 0.55

07:21:45.060 Like, I think that's just ridiculous.

07:21:46.460 I think the way you dress doesn't identify what you're looking for, who you are. 0.78

07:21:51.720 I think it's a form of self-expression.

07:21:53.480 I think it does.

07:21:54.300 It's a form of self-expression to me.

07:21:56.240 I'm an artist, and that's a lot of the ways that we express ourselves is through our clothes.

07:22:00.680 Wait, weren't you...

07:22:01.200 Didn't you have this big gripe and grievance about how, like, the music industry sexualizes women, 0.99

07:22:05.500 but here you are sexualizing yourself?

07:22:07.160 I just said that if I wanted to post myself revealing, it's free will.

07:22:10.700 I wanted to do that.

07:22:11.480 Wait, so it's simultaneously...

07:22:12.940 This is Schrodinger's feminism. 1.00

07:22:15.200 You're simultaneously oppressed, but also this is like a...

07:22:19.780 It's liberation.

07:22:21.180 Liberation.

07:22:21.580 It's a creative expression.

07:22:23.800 For me, the biggest point I was trying to make about the middle school or elementary school or high school

07:22:28.300 was because they're children.

07:22:30.120 They're minors.

07:22:30.900 It just doesn't...

07:22:31.620 To me, it makes...

07:22:32.460 It feels uncomfortable.

07:22:33.640 That's why I brought it up as, like, it's a form of oppression.

07:22:35.640 Okay, men shouldn't sag their pants, or, excuse me, boys shouldn't sag their pants.

07:22:40.680 I mean, there's dress codes that go both ways.

07:22:42.760 I do have to move it on.

07:22:44.300 To Charlie, you say women do not have equal rights to men in the United States.

07:22:49.700 What rights do men have that women don't? 1.00

07:22:53.440 Honestly, I'm tired.

07:22:54.560 I'm just going to pass. 1.00

07:22:55.400 Suck it up. 1.00

07:22:56.120 Suck it up. 1.00

07:22:56.840 Come on. 1.00

07:22:57.420 Military here.

07:22:58.600 Bro, this is...

07:22:59.500 Hold on.

07:22:59.720 This is why women should not be in the military, then, because... 1.00

07:23:02.260 Oh, my Lord.

07:23:02.760 Tired.

07:23:03.840 Just suck it up. 1.00

07:23:04.920 Suck it up. 1.00

07:23:05.320 Come on. 1.00

07:23:05.520 You've never served a day in your life, so just be quiet.

07:23:07.620 You're right.

07:23:08.100 Be quiet.

07:23:08.480 You're absolutely right.

07:23:09.400 But, like, come on, bro.

07:23:11.060 You're going to be, like, deployed.

07:23:13.140 We've been talking for seven hours, and I just can't...

07:23:17.120 Yeah, this podcast is analogous to military service.

07:23:20.000 It actually...

07:23:20.620 No, his point is that she should definitely not be...

07:23:22.900 How are you going to handle this?

07:23:24.060 How are you going to be handled...

07:23:25.040 She's here as, like, a volunteer for your show.

07:23:27.440 It's fair enough for her to opt out.

07:23:28.820 Are you, like, the whitest night ever?

07:23:30.940 You should wear a cape to the next podcast.

07:23:32.740 This is actually the final thing, by the way.

07:23:33.980 This is, like, the final thing I'd like to touch on.

07:23:35.960 I'm very spooky.

07:23:37.020 What's the question again?

07:23:38.440 What's the right...

07:23:38.780 This is the final thing from the questionnaire, then I'm just pretty much done with it.

07:23:41.560 We're going to...

07:23:41.980 Okay, what's the question?

07:23:42.200 We'll do the chats, then we're going to wrap.

07:23:43.420 What's the question?

07:23:44.540 You agreed with the following statement.

07:23:46.680 Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.

07:23:49.680 What rights do men have that women don't? 1.00

07:23:51.800 I mean, we've already talked about it time and time again, but the first thing that came

07:23:55.760 to mind when I circled it was abortion.

07:23:58.060 But how would this be...

07:23:59.860 Men don't have abortion. 0.59

07:24:01.240 How would this relate to equal rights?

07:24:04.040 Because men don't have any reproductive rights, so how would this be, like, a differential or

07:24:10.180 inequality in terms of a comparison between men and women?

07:24:14.940 I misunderstood the question.

07:24:16.860 Okay, so is it just abortion?

07:24:18.300 There's nothing else.

07:24:19.940 I'm sure there's more.

07:24:20.880 Well, okay, what are the...

07:24:22.720 Because we already talked about abortion.

07:24:24.420 What are the other things that, when it comes to rights, that men have that women don't? 0.77

07:24:28.980 And just move on.

07:24:30.060 I just...

07:24:30.840 You didn't get drafted, did you, by chance?

07:24:32.980 No.

07:24:33.600 Hmm.

07:24:34.440 What?

07:24:35.400 What?

07:24:36.360 I think the draft isn't like that.

07:24:38.840 Isn't like what?

07:24:39.880 Like...

07:24:40.240 An instance that's geared toward men and not women?

07:24:43.020 Yes.

07:24:43.620 It's not like that?

07:24:44.540 It's not.

07:24:45.100 Really?

07:24:45.660 No.

07:24:45.940 No, I mean, I'm saying that I'm not in the draft.

07:24:48.660 I know.

07:24:49.100 Because you're a woman. 1.00

07:24:50.300 Because I enlisted.

07:24:51.840 I know.

07:24:52.520 I know.

07:24:53.800 As a teeniel.

07:24:54.560 But you can't be drafted, right?

07:24:56.580 No.

07:24:57.480 But men can, right?

07:24:59.020 I can't be drafted because I'm already in the military.

07:25:01.960 Do you know what a hypothetical is?

07:25:03.300 He's asking a hypothetical question.

07:25:04.480 Oh.

07:25:05.420 Hypothetical question.

07:25:06.540 If you didn't enlist, you couldn't be drafted, right?

07:25:09.700 Correct.

07:25:09.960 Don't rescue your boyfriend, Jay.

07:25:11.520 He can do this.

07:25:12.440 Are you privileged as a woman to not having been entered into the draft if it came to 0.96

07:25:18.800 I'm honestly against the draft.

07:25:20.620 It's fine.

07:25:21.180 But how it is right now, would you say it's a privilege toward women to not be drafted?

07:25:28.160 I think it should be both or none.

07:25:31.080 Truthfully, that's just my opinion.

07:25:32.700 If there is a draft, I think it should apply to both.

07:25:35.360 If there isn't, it should be none.

07:25:37.300 I need you to answer my question.

07:25:39.060 What rights do men have that women don't besides the abortion conversation? 1.00

07:25:43.420 I'm so tired.

07:25:44.560 I don't want to answer the question.

07:25:45.580 There isn't.

07:25:46.280 But I'm willing to hear you out.

07:25:49.640 Do you need a shot?

07:25:50.260 Do you want an energy drink?

07:25:51.740 Because this is literally the final thing I want to talk about.

07:25:54.220 And I'll get this wrapped up.

07:25:55.340 Can you just take it for me, please?

07:25:57.040 No, you got it.

07:25:57.920 The equal rights?

07:25:58.920 The question he's asking.

07:26:00.380 I just don't want to do it.

07:26:02.520 I'm tired.

07:26:02.860 If she has a position on it, I'll hear it.

07:26:04.680 But I just want to hear your position first.

07:26:07.780 I don't know. 0.98

07:26:08.920 I'm fucking tired. 0.96

07:26:10.060 Like, I'm telling you. 0.99

07:26:12.940 Brian, no means no.

07:26:15.560 One more pump. 0.93

07:26:16.640 No is a complete sentence.

07:26:18.060 No, period.

07:26:22.140 Not no.

07:26:22.800 So there's no rights then.

07:26:24.100 There's just not any.

07:26:25.120 It just doesn't exist then.

07:26:26.440 There's no rights that you can point to.

07:26:28.700 She's trying to, like, me to me.

07:26:30.520 Like a conversational.

07:26:31.960 She's accusing me of a conversational grape.

07:26:34.220 That's not true.

07:26:35.260 I'm just saying, Brian, I'm not feeling it right now in this moment.

07:26:39.560 I mean, that's a real, like, easy, cowardice way to just be.

07:26:42.980 Like, here.

07:26:43.960 Do men get hangry?

07:26:45.020 If you're willing to make the concession that you, there actually, there are no rights that men have that women don't, I'll happily move it on. 0.90

07:26:54.620 But you have to make that concession.

07:26:56.360 Otherwise, I'd, like, the time we've spent having the meta conversation over, I don't want to talk about this.

07:27:01.880 You could have just thrown out, like, one or two things when it comes to rights.

07:27:06.600 I mean, I just don't want to.

07:27:09.120 You don't.

07:27:10.600 What do you mean you don't?

07:27:11.420 I'm confused.

07:27:12.460 I can't think of one.

07:27:13.200 As of right now, I'm tired and I don't want to.

07:27:15.200 So if I give you, like, two minutes to recharge and, like, come back to you in two minutes and give you time to think about it, can we come back to it in two minutes?

07:27:22.880 We can just move on.

07:27:24.500 Or I'm giving you time to think about it so you have a moment to gather your thoughts.

07:27:29.940 I just want to move on.

07:27:32.180 Then just concede that there is no right that men have that women don't. 0.53

07:27:36.460 Sure, if that makes you feel better.

07:27:37.880 Yeah.

07:27:38.040 Is it your position now, though?

07:27:40.120 If that makes you feel better, then yes.

07:27:41.760 It's not whether it makes me feel better or not.

07:27:45.020 I just said if it makes you feel happy, then yes.

07:27:48.440 It neither makes me feel unhappy or happy.

07:27:51.400 Just do you want to provide one example?

07:27:53.620 No.

07:27:54.860 Just to be clear.

07:27:55.640 So if your goal is, like, let's get out of here sooner, I think it'd be easier for you to just answer the question.

07:28:01.620 God, Brian, why are you doing this?

07:28:04.880 Give me just one.

07:28:07.060 That's it.

07:28:08.200 Just one.

07:28:10.920 The feminism is just, it's not working. 1.00

07:28:13.260 You're like, fuck. 1.00

07:28:13.880 When did I ever call myself a feminist once in this entire thing? 1.00

07:28:17.660 When did I say the word feminist? 1.00

07:28:19.620 Are you against the patriarchy? 0.99

07:28:21.800 Bro, I barely know what the fuck that means. 0.99

07:28:24.360 Like, come on, man. 0.99

07:28:26.120 Oh, my God, bro.

07:28:28.680 Just move on.

07:28:29.920 Are you against, like, males predominating in leadership?

07:28:36.480 Like, what do you mean, I guess?

07:28:39.440 Like, in government?

07:28:41.600 Yes.

07:28:42.020 Are you against males predominating in leadership positions in government and corporations and the military?

07:28:45.660 If you get elected, you get elected.

07:28:48.400 Like, if you get elected.

07:28:49.280 Sorry. 0.99

07:28:49.740 What the fuck is that? 0.99

07:28:50.200 If you get elected, you get elected. 1.00

07:28:51.340 Sex act? 0.96

07:28:51.700 Oh, my God. 0.95

07:28:52.280 Elected.

07:28:53.300 If you get elected, you get elected.

07:28:54.880 Who cares?

07:28:56.160 Give me one, please.

07:28:57.620 Give me one.

07:28:58.360 One right that men have.

07:28:59.640 So that you can pwn me?

07:29:01.460 Like, so you can pwn me?

07:29:02.520 Like, do you just want that clickbait? 0.65

07:29:03.940 Like, you can pwn me.

07:29:04.680 I don't care.

07:29:05.320 Tell you what.

07:29:05.800 I'll even do this.

07:29:07.280 I won't even debate you on it.

07:29:09.020 I won't even debate you.

07:29:10.380 I won't even try to pwn you.

07:29:11.660 Oh, my God.

07:29:11.880 I just want to hear it, and then I promise I'll move on.

07:29:14.880 What is a right that men have that women don't? 1.00

07:29:17.240 I will not even argue with it, even if I disagree.

07:29:19.860 I mean, I don't even know off the top of my head.

07:29:30.100 Brian?

07:29:30.960 So there's not one.

07:29:31.960 Checkmate.

07:29:32.460 All right.

07:29:32.980 I don't know what to say.

07:29:34.220 Like, I don't.

07:29:35.780 Okay.

07:29:36.680 Oh, okay.

07:29:37.760 Final thing from the questionnaire here.

07:29:40.400 Kyle, I want to have a 30-second debate with you.

07:29:42.860 You disagree.

07:29:43.720 Your disagreement with the show is.

07:29:45.520 Meat.

07:29:45.960 What?

07:29:47.120 Oh, I thought you were going to bring up the meat.

07:29:48.060 Yeah, no, it's that.

07:29:48.820 Okay.

07:29:49.120 But what's your disagreement there?

07:29:51.300 Big labia matter? 1.00

07:29:52.940 I must have just thought it would be a funny, whimsical moment between us.

07:29:56.800 You're in your notes.

07:29:58.080 Do I need to pull it up?

07:29:58.880 What did you write?

07:30:00.320 I think I half wrote it, and then I got distracted by the Uber thing.

07:30:04.760 Okay. 0.99

07:30:05.660 Meaty vaginas are gross, is what you wrote. 1.00

07:30:08.220 That is deeply offensive to me. 1.00

07:30:10.360 I know.

07:30:11.240 I'm very deeply offended.

07:30:13.020 I know.

07:30:13.100 I want you to look into one of these cameras and apologize to all the women with Audis, 1.00

07:30:19.040 which is something like 50% of women. 1.00

07:30:20.900 I want you to apologize for your disgusting and sexist and misogynistic remarks. 0.77

07:30:26.680 It's been seven and a half hours, and Brian has beaten you down to believe that meaty lives matter, too. 0.97

07:30:33.140 All right.

07:30:33.800 Hashtag big labia matter.

07:30:35.500 All right.

07:30:36.060 All labia can't matter until big labia matter. 1.00

07:30:38.060 All right.

07:30:38.340 Thank you.

07:30:38.720 All right.

07:30:39.260 Guys, final call.

07:30:40.120 $30 TTS.

07:30:40.940 We're going to let these come through, then.

07:30:42.060 We're going to get this wrapped up.

07:30:43.760 Did you want to speak on anything?

07:30:45.580 I know you had a lot of notes, but I don't know if we'll get to be able to do everything.

07:30:48.940 It's okay.

07:30:50.360 One thing I thought would be interesting, or one of the prompts I had was that I think

07:30:55.520 corn is one of the most detrimental aspects of our society, and I felt like that's kind

07:31:01.140 of an interesting take.

07:31:02.640 Okay.

07:31:03.000 But I might be too late to get into all of them.

07:31:05.180 Yeah.

07:31:05.820 Corn bad.

07:31:06.380 I think we can agree on that.

07:31:07.300 We do agree.

07:31:07.720 Okay.

07:31:07.980 I'll let the chats come through.

07:31:09.000 Double agent donated $29.99.

07:31:11.940 Thank you.

07:31:11.960 Thank you, double agent.

07:31:12.700 This goes out to chair number two, the notorious GED.

07:31:16.180 If you could be a man for 24 hours, what would you do differently than you can now?

07:31:20.620 How much time have you spent reading Poetics?

07:31:23.740 Oh, this is for you.

07:31:26.920 Uh, me.

07:31:27.620 Okay.

07:31:28.080 What would I do if I was a man for 24 hours?

07:31:31.200 Uh, probably, like, windmill?

07:31:35.380 I'd probably try to windmill first.

07:31:36.440 Do the helicopter?

07:31:37.320 Yeah.

07:31:38.180 Wait, couldn't you?

07:31:39.080 Hold on, let's move on.

07:31:39.720 Felix donated $30.

07:31:41.560 With the glasses, Jay is basically an orthodox stuffy.

07:31:45.240 Doofy.

07:31:46.040 Brian, buy a projector and use Jim Bob's massive forehead to project your losing solitaire games

07:31:52.220 on two.

07:31:52.740 Wow.

07:31:53.500 Thank you, Felix.

07:31:54.560 Appreciate that.

07:31:55.980 Seth Marshall donated $30.

07:31:58.080 Tough.

07:31:58.640 Brian, thanks for being a trooper last week.

07:32:01.500 My do.

07:32:02.060 I'm still sick.

07:32:02.680 You could have called it in, but you didn't.

07:32:03.980 Thank you, Seth.

07:32:04.760 I look forward to this show every week, as do most of us in the chat.

07:32:09.900 Big tubs, bro.

07:32:11.260 Thank you, man.

07:32:11.820 Appreciate it.

07:32:12.440 WJ, Bob WJ.

07:32:14.760 Uh, here, let's see.

07:32:17.320 Shniko 04 donated $30.

07:32:19.920 Yeah, thank you, man.

07:32:20.500 Brian, can we get a commitment?

07:32:22.220 From you, for Kyla's future debates, can we please get a shot clockwork her paddle? 0.90

07:32:27.940 Also, if chair one is traditional, why have you not pulled up her first three Insta photos?

07:32:34.480 Are you traditional?

07:32:35.360 I don't know if, did you say it?

07:32:36.440 No, I never claimed to be traditional, but.

07:32:38.560 Yeah, I don't know if you, yeah.

07:32:40.140 I do like scantily clad types of photos, but nothing that's exposing anything.

07:32:46.640 Sure.

07:32:46.840 Do you think he was talking about you?

07:32:48.320 Otis Driftwood donated $30.

07:32:49.900 Yo, thank you.

07:32:50.480 Oh, this is appreciated, man.

07:32:51.220 Good show.

07:32:52.940 WJB, WJ.

07:32:53.660 Oh, whoa.

07:32:53.680 These came in a while, yo.

07:32:55.140 Sorry for the delay, guys.

07:32:56.120 $30.

07:32:56.340 You work twice as hard at a quarter of a job.

07:33:00.900 No crying. 1.00

07:33:02.720 What the fuck? 1.00

07:33:04.160 Yo, Otis, thank you for that, man. 0.99

07:33:05.640 Appreciate it.

07:33:06.000 We have Z-Man here. 0.99

07:33:07.720 Oh.

07:33:08.160 Z-Man 32 donated $30.

07:33:11.340 Good work, Jim, Bob, and Jay.

07:33:13.320 You both need some ginger chews for this one. 0.99

07:33:16.440 Any pumps after two seconds would be a travel.

07:33:19.340 And if it's within two seconds, it's a pump fake.

07:33:21.960 God bless, Christos Vos Kries.

07:33:25.640 Yo, Z-Man. 0.97

07:33:26.260 Thank you, man.

07:33:26.680 Doctrine underscore matters donated $30.

07:33:30.040 JB slash J.

07:33:31.680 A Wilson asks often what is the duty of women? 1.00

07:33:34.840 There seems to be a gag reflex to this question from women and men in the church.

07:33:39.880 Panel, do you have any duty as a woman to society slash home slash church? 1.00

07:33:44.780 Any duties?

07:33:47.580 Or we are, we actually talked about this.

07:33:49.560 Yeah.

07:33:50.300 Thank you, man.

07:33:50.960 Reap what you so donated $30.

07:33:53.140 Thank you, Reap.

07:33:53.780 Share five.

07:33:54.600 Of course, they take men more seriously when they speak.

07:33:57.980 Men are more logical and direct than women. 1.00

07:34:01.000 They aren't going to spout off for the bunch of BS like you have been all night.

07:34:05.720 Real.

07:34:07.220 Faux show.

07:34:09.500 Faux show.

07:34:10.100 Okay, we got doctrine.

07:34:11.020 Here you go.

07:34:11.540 Doctrine underscore matters donated $30.

07:34:14.780 Jay, would you mind answering my last TTS regarding a good primer or overall systematic on EO?

07:34:22.740 I will read and remember the tile of it.

07:34:25.180 I appreciate the EO's catechesis for new members as an anchor.

07:34:29.340 I would say just read Pomazansky's Orthodox Dogmatics.

07:34:33.880 All right.

07:34:34.540 Thank you, doctrine.

07:34:36.900 Oh.

07:34:38.120 No serious.

07:34:38.680 Oh, this is below the threshold.

07:34:40.360 Boom again.

07:34:40.900 Thank you. 0.97

07:34:41.300 No boobs on the dummy for science. 1.00

07:34:43.160 Thank you for that. 0.96

07:34:43.660 Uh, we got one shot here.

07:34:46.380 One shot to 17 donated $30.

07:34:49.840 Sup, Jay and Jay, be glad to see you both together on a panel.

07:34:53.700 I'm wondering what is it like to debate a literal nonsense Muppet two days in a row.

07:34:58.100 Muppet? 0.98

07:34:58.720 My brain cells are victims of a fallacy-induced genocide. 0.97

07:35:01.840 That's crazy.

07:35:03.740 Yeah, Jason.

07:35:04.420 Wow.

07:35:04.480 Castle donated $30.

07:35:06.020 Thank you, Jason.

07:35:06.560 Chef 5 couldn't an argument be made that men in general will not go to the doctor for

07:35:11.280 every action pain.

07:35:13.000 Studies show female to male for hypochondria is 10 to 1.

07:35:16.680 I was wondering about that.

07:35:17.840 Is it really?

07:35:18.580 Is hypochondria 10 to 1?

07:35:20.360 Well, there's your answer.

07:35:21.320 There it is.

07:35:21.800 Wow.

07:35:22.080 That would explain it.

07:35:22.860 Based off one YouTube comment.

07:35:24.560 Oh, Jason.

07:35:25.380 It's definitely factual.

07:35:26.400 Must be true.

07:35:27.360 Must be true.

07:35:28.060 Myocardial infarction often present differently between sexes.

07:35:32.520 I don't even like the chick, but she's right and doesn't need a source for common knowledge.

07:35:38.420 Chill out, young blood. 0.99

07:35:40.180 All right, OJ.

07:35:40.960 Appreciate it.

07:35:41.620 Thank you.

07:35:41.880 I just watched a documentary on you.

07:35:43.400 That was cool.

07:35:43.860 Thank you, man.

07:35:45.560 Based Thor donated $30.

07:35:48.100 Women out her making face lips bigger and coochie lips smaller. 1.00

07:35:52.580 What a time to be alive. 0.99

07:35:54.580 Big labia matters. 1.00

07:35:55.580 Somebody call the wambulance for chair two. 0.98

07:35:58.600 It's impressive how much she prattles.

07:36:00.700 Prattle per minute.

07:36:01.940 Prattle.

07:36:02.460 PPM.

07:36:02.980 Rachel Wilson donated $30.

07:36:05.720 Thank you, Rachel.

07:36:06.640 People wouldn't find you so annoying.

07:36:08.860 If you didn't try to act like a subject matter expert every time you open your mouth, have

07:36:14.440 some humility.

07:36:16.500 Wow.

07:36:16.940 There's nothing more I can say than all the times I've said I'm not an expert on things.

07:36:20.500 Donated $29.99.

07:36:23.360 A new one.

07:36:23.760 Eridolt hasn't read anything but Wikipedia and Destiny streams.

07:36:28.820 She's out of her league. 1.00

07:36:30.340 She's no Christian. 1.00

07:36:31.140 Thank you, Rachel.

07:36:31.560 YouTube said it.

07:36:32.000 It's got to be true. 0.62

07:36:32.440 It's an accurate assessment.

07:36:34.820 It's not.

07:36:35.600 Thank God.

07:36:36.240 Wait, what?

07:36:36.580 W. Eastern and Greek Orthodox.

07:36:40.480 Jason Castle donated $30.

07:36:43.340 Wow.

07:36:44.140 Chair six. 1.00

07:36:45.040 You are disgusting. 1.00

07:36:46.540 Wow. 1.00

07:36:47.020 It's too bad we can't deport you. 1.00

07:36:48.760 Damn, that's crazy. 1.00

07:36:49.580 The USA does not need more child murders. 1.00

07:36:52.120 Damn, you're all crazy tonight. 1.00

07:36:56.640 Damn, you're all crazy tonight. 1.00

07:36:59.700 Ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. 1.00

07:37:02.600 Even if this is granted, this would be an exception to the generality of abortions.completely bad faith.

07:37:08.980 Agreed.

07:37:12.580 Wait, did I...

07:37:13.820 They're always making the rule from the exception, aren't they?

07:37:16.960 Every time.

07:37:18.340 Jason Castle donated $30.

07:37:21.100 Hate share six.

07:37:22.080 The argument can be reversed and someone could ask why do you want to sexualize your 12 by allowing her to dress in a tank top.

07:37:29.680 Young boys, especially at that age, sexualize everything.

07:37:34.300 Thank you, Jason.

07:37:35.060 Jacob Joseph donated $30.

07:37:37.140 Thank you, Jacob.

07:37:37.640 Share five.

07:37:38.660 The Department of Education operates no schools and educates no children.

07:37:43.380 The fact that you thought it did is the very reason why it must be abolished.

07:37:47.580 Deal.

07:37:50.980 Below the threshold, Desert Joe hung up about the tank tops.

07:37:55.060 Spending 30 minutes arguing.

07:37:56.860 Thank you, man.

07:37:57.180 Justin Martens donated $30.

07:38:00.040 Share six.

07:38:00.640 If you're showing more skin, even if it's for yourself, you're creating an expectation in your industry for other women as well due to natural competition. 0.99

07:38:09.800 I would disagree with that.

07:38:12.460 She disagrees.

07:38:14.600 Argument defeated.

07:38:15.940 I disagree.

07:38:16.940 Do we have time for me to answer your infill these?

07:38:19.740 Yeah, yeah.

07:38:20.380 If you want.

07:38:21.060 118 donated $30.

07:38:22.480 That's automatic.

07:38:23.200 Yeah, actually, never mind.

07:38:24.560 Saint, would you recommend to Brestini to actually read and contrast her radical orthodoxy, modern intellectual theology, since the word orthodoxy needs to be defined in her view?

07:38:36.220 Quick thing on this. 0.76

07:38:37.060 I don't think she's going to read any book.

07:38:39.340 That you recommend?

07:38:39.980 It's a waste of time.

07:38:40.580 No.

07:38:41.080 I don't think she reads books.

07:38:42.500 Lulu, don't need $30. 0.99

07:38:44.300 Thank you, Lulu.

07:38:45.000 Six-five.

07:38:46.020 What did you come on this podcast for? 0.99

07:38:48.740 You are so lame. 0.99

07:38:51.800 Whatever. 1.00

07:38:53.500 Whatever.

07:38:54.560 Whatever.

07:38:57.620 Giovanni J.D. donated $30.

07:39:00.500 JB brought up abortion but didn't know how to respond to Reddit theory buttons.

07:39:04.580 We got some smoke for you.

07:39:05.480 We all just saw his brain malfunction in real time when ectopic was brought up.

07:39:10.620 No.

07:39:10.820 Please never claim Sicily again.

07:39:13.040 No, I was confused that you would bring that up, given that is an exception to the general rule we were arguing.

07:39:21.240 Wasn't using that as an evidence for anything.

07:39:23.620 It's very interesting.

07:39:24.520 What were you doing?

07:39:25.100 Why'd you bring it up, then?

07:39:26.340 Why'd you bring it up, then?

07:39:26.540 Why'd you bring it up?

07:39:27.100 I was curious if you knew what it was and how to handle it.

07:39:29.120 Do you know what 99 times 99 is?

07:39:31.900 9,801.

07:39:33.280 So you derail by your own admission.

07:39:35.740 Why aren't we talking about numbers?

07:39:36.340 See, it's very interesting to watch how the men react when people make little criticism of them versus every woman on this panel.

07:39:42.960 You just admitted to bad faith.

07:39:44.640 You just admitted to bad faith.

07:39:46.040 You just admitted that you bring up bad faith points.

07:39:47.720 No, I genuinely asked if you knew it an ectopic pregnancy and how you would handle it.

07:39:52.020 To what?

07:39:52.480 To change the subject.

07:39:53.680 Why?

07:39:54.180 Why?

07:39:54.480 We were in the middle of a discussion, right?

07:39:56.160 Yeah.

07:39:56.220 And I was in the middle of making a point.

07:39:57.820 She was derailing.

07:39:58.060 You just admitted to derailing on purpose, right?

07:40:00.720 Because I was curious if you were opposed to even those types of abortion.

07:40:03.620 This is why you're not good. 1.00

07:40:04.600 You're sick. 0.98

07:40:05.140 Good job, Jay. 0.99

07:40:05.460 You're never going to be a successful debater.

07:40:06.940 Jay, it's really interesting.

07:40:07.620 I'm telling you why and how.

07:40:09.020 How does your husband tolerate you? 0.57

07:40:10.800 If you guys are such good debate lords.

07:40:11.920 It won't last long.

07:40:12.660 It won't last long.

07:40:13.680 If you guys notice the difference of reaction to these men when they're talking to women that they feel like they can actually manage in a debate versus a woman that they feel overwhelmed by in a debate. 0.58

07:40:21.820 That's all I hear yapping.

07:40:22.020 They have to do this big thing.

07:40:23.000 She's literally just admitted that you changed the subject.

07:40:25.140 The one that talked with every other woman on this panel. 0.71

07:40:26.580 Because they don't act like you.

07:40:27.900 They've just engaged a normal way.

07:40:28.760 Yeah, because they don't act like you.

07:40:30.360 No, it's because you feel confident when you're debating people who are not trained to debate.

07:40:33.400 You're the common denominator.

07:40:34.120 And you feel unconfident when you're debating me.

07:40:36.200 So you have to talk this behavior.

07:40:37.400 Reasonably with every single one of these, you're the only loudmouth babbler.

07:40:41.620 Because you're assuming. 1.00

07:40:42.320 Oh, shit. 1.00

07:40:42.880 You're assuming. 1.00

07:40:43.160 Shut your mouth. 1.00

07:40:43.840 I thought I was a debater. 1.00

07:40:45.100 Oh, shit. 1.00

07:40:45.280 No, you're a babbler. 1.00

07:40:46.280 Only in your head.

07:40:46.740 But you said that you got to treat me different on this panel very initially because I'm a debater.

07:40:49.840 We give you back your energy.

07:40:51.420 In fact, you said that Brian.

07:40:51.980 You're bad faith.

07:40:52.600 Brian said that there was an exceptional rule.

07:40:54.660 You admitted that you just hated your bad faith.

07:40:56.300 So see, again, when these men are confronted.

07:41:00.520 This podcast is evidence of female oppression. 1.00

07:41:04.760 That's true.

07:41:05.180 Female oppression and women not having rights. 1.00

07:41:07.860 Especially of white women. 0.99

07:41:08.780 Again, like I said yesterday, she is the best example of why feminism is a disaster. 1.00

07:41:15.360 So keep debating and arguing.

07:41:16.640 Jays are a really good example. 0.90

07:41:17.660 Keep debating and arguing.

07:41:18.520 As why older men have to bully women to try to get their way because you're increasingly 0.86

07:41:22.120 less salient to young women.

07:41:23.020 Nobody bullied you.

07:41:23.900 You made it full of yourself.

07:41:24.840 Your behavior this entire time has been nothing but traffic.

07:41:27.520 Asking you questions.

07:41:28.120 The reality is that when you engage with people that you feel like you can dunk on by just granting

07:41:32.080 their norms, you'll just talk to them in good faith. 0.99

07:41:33.940 You act like an expert and you're a retard. 1.00

07:41:36.120 However, when you engage with somebody, as admittedly by you, that you can't debate 0.98

07:41:41.340 against, you just default to being bad faith.

07:41:42.020 You're not an expert in all of these fields.

07:41:44.740 Part of being bad faith is not granting me norms that you and I both agree on as a tactical

07:41:49.960 advantage to try to win in a debate.

07:41:51.820 I don't debate that way.

07:41:52.640 You're definitionally being bad faith with me in all ways.

07:41:55.600 Not granting you?

07:41:56.420 By not granting you the debate, it's bad faith.

07:41:58.320 Yes, if you agree on a norm.

07:41:59.320 She says yes.

07:42:00.260 Wait, if you agree on a norm that you both adhere to, such as...

07:42:03.760 Don't grant me my position, that's bad faith.

07:42:05.640 No, no, if you agree on a norm with me and you won't grant it to me for the sheer purpose

07:42:10.860 of a debate, you're being bad faith.

07:42:12.860 Quiet.

07:42:13.780 These 304s arguing against showing shoulders and bras, but yet want to play victims while 1.00

07:42:19.400 showing off shoulders and wear no bras.

07:42:22.260 Make it make sense.

07:42:24.060 It's just double standard.

07:42:25.460 Yeah.

07:42:26.140 Thank you.

07:42:27.740 I can't say your name, but thank you, Deez.

07:42:29.780 Desert Joe donated $30.

07:42:31.600 Chef 5, don't use the you didn't serve BS on Brian.

07:42:35.260 You're a pog and anyone could do a pog's job.

07:42:37.440 What's a pog?

07:42:37.900 A pog is basically like in military sense.

07:42:40.880 It's like when they're like, oh, you're just like HR.

07:42:43.580 You're not a real soldier.

07:42:44.660 But it's like a lot of people will say that to even jobs like mine where I like, I've fired

07:42:49.720 cannons.

07:42:50.240 And it's like, okay, like, it's like they basically say that to anybody that's not

07:42:54.900 infantry.

07:42:55.840 Okay.

07:42:56.420 It's like, whatever.

07:42:57.620 Sure.

07:42:58.340 Desert Joe donated $30.

07:43:00.780 Wow.

07:43:01.800 You are so hung up about about tank tops for 12 year olds spending 30 minutes arguing school

07:43:08.040 dress codes.

07:43:08.980 This convo proves women are not oppressed in the US.

07:43:12.660 Stop victimizing yourselves.

07:43:15.620 Bloody a boy donated $30.

07:43:17.880 And I see, I've never heard anyone who talks as much as you, but really says nothing.

07:43:22.980 Your words hold no weight.

07:43:25.160 We know you're not bulking. 0.99

07:43:26.480 You're just a hippo. 0.91

07:43:28.180 W.J. 1.00

07:43:29.020 What the fuck? 1.00

07:43:29.620 W.J.B. 1.00

07:43:30.760 That's crazy. 0.99

07:43:31.500 Thank you, bloody boy. 0.99

07:43:32.380 You know, you're really smart when you go for low hanging fruit. 0.98

07:43:35.340 Are you saying you're low hanging fruit?

07:43:36.840 I'm saying making fat jokes about me.

07:43:39.980 I'm saying fat jokes are obviously low hanging fruit.

07:43:44.340 Any prego could cause fatality. 0.91

07:43:46.640 Constitutional right.

07:43:48.880 Second Amendment.

07:43:49.600 Bear arms right against you.

07:43:51.680 Thank you, Jesse, for the message.

07:43:53.320 Big pumps matter donated $29.99.

07:43:55.120 Big pumps matter? 1.00

07:43:56.440 What the fuck? 0.99

07:43:57.140 Brian, I'm getting a group session together and seeing if you want to join. 1.00

07:44:01.540 Is this like a World of Warcraft thing?

07:44:03.060 If so you need a game score of at least seven, have a decent PPM and send your achievements

07:44:07.340 for the mythic laid.

07:44:08.620 Demon Slayer, I cannot pull up your message, but I can't pull up your message, bro, but

07:44:15.400 it has.

07:44:17.460 I can't.

07:44:18.100 I shouldn't even say.

07:44:19.420 Okay.

07:44:19.700 Sorry.

07:44:20.120 Demon Slayer.

07:44:20.760 I can't pull it up.

07:44:21.440 I'm sorry.

07:44:21.860 YouTube TOS.

07:44:22.480 Jason Castle donated $30.

07:44:25.300 Chair 5 BOG personnel other than grunt.

07:44:28.040 The job of a BOG is to support the infantry, the war fighters, which aren't hard.

07:44:34.020 You're right.

07:44:34.520 Artillery is so not important for war.

07:44:36.760 Jason Cassell.

07:44:38.020 Boo artillery.

07:44:39.020 I don't know.

07:44:42.560 Good talk.

07:44:43.100 We have Lulu.

07:44:44.480 Lulu donated $30.

07:44:46.580 Thank you, Lulu.

07:44:47.060 We all watched Chair 2 derail the conversation with a random question when nobody was talking

07:44:52.240 to her.

07:44:53.220 Now she's just refusing to admit she did it long.

07:44:56.120 Why are your glasses on?

07:44:57.700 Jay, I've got a question for you.

07:44:59.360 What's your favorite movie?

07:45:00.860 Favorite film?

07:45:02.920 The Godfather.

07:45:04.100 Godfather.

07:45:04.800 Okay.

07:45:05.440 Trilogy.

07:45:06.240 Got it.

07:45:07.440 What's your top three?

07:45:10.020 Movies?

07:45:10.800 Yeah.

07:45:11.160 Yeah.

07:45:12.200 Godfather, Lord of the Rings, and probably the original Star Wars.

07:45:16.860 Original Star Wars.

07:45:18.060 Yeah.

07:45:18.100 Only.

07:45:18.900 Got it.

07:45:19.540 Oh, we've got a chat here from Z-Man. 0.86

07:45:21.260 Guys, last call.

07:45:22.320 We're going to get this wrapped.

07:45:23.100 Last call if you want to get one in.

07:45:24.940 Final call on chat.

07:45:27.020 Like you know the least bit about fruit.

07:45:30.140 Fruit.

07:45:30.700 Good one.

07:45:32.240 I've never seen an apple in my life.

07:45:34.640 He spent $30 to say that.

07:45:36.260 Wait.

07:45:36.940 Related to fruits.

07:45:39.020 Has anybody here not had like kind of basic fruits?

07:45:44.460 Like has anybody here never had a strawberry?

07:45:47.120 Or a pineapple, peach, mango?

07:45:52.340 I've encountered in the recent years, I've encountered some women that haven't had certain fruits. 0.98

07:46:00.520 And I get this warm feeling inside and I'm like, I want to introduce you. 0.99

07:46:05.380 I want to be your gateway to some fucking bomb mango. 0.98

07:46:09.300 Like that just makes me happy if a girl's never had, it's not that I'm happy that she hasn't had it, but it makes me happy that I can hook her up. 0.99

07:46:18.800 I'll put her on some game. 0.99

07:46:20.920 Oh, you've never had strawberries before? 1.00

07:46:23.160 Check this shit out. 1.00

07:46:24.460 I'm going to put you on that strawberry game. 1.00

07:46:26.240 I, it's like, it makes me feel happy to like.

07:46:30.080 That's very wholesome.

07:46:30.840 Get, it is kind of just a little wholesome thing here at the end of the show.

07:46:34.280 I have encountered recently though, some women who's like, I'm like, you've never had a strawberry, son? 0.76

07:46:39.900 What?

07:46:41.280 You've never had a peach?

07:46:45.100 Really?

07:46:45.880 Do you know what you've been missing out on?

07:46:49.200 And I'm like, I can assist you on this.

07:46:54.640 Wait, how many people have you met that haven't had a basic fruit?

07:46:58.580 I've met two girls who have not had like certain, no mangoes, hasn't had like the stone fruit.

07:47:07.160 So like apricot, peach, nectarine, hasn't had any of those.

07:47:10.840 Never had a watermelon.

07:47:12.740 Huh?

07:47:13.080 I looked at it.

07:47:13.760 I was like, never had a watermelon.

07:47:15.400 Wow.

07:47:15.840 That's crazy. 1.00

07:47:17.360 Um, so I hooked that shit up. 0.99

07:47:19.220 Whoa, voice car. 1.00

07:47:20.020 I hooked it up. 0.99

07:47:21.180 I fucking hooked it up. 0.99

07:47:22.500 I was like, I bombarded them with. 0.99

07:47:25.060 They put you in the friend zone right after that.

07:47:26.680 No, I bombarded them with fruit.

07:47:29.720 Wow.

07:47:30.240 It was crazy, son. 1.00

07:47:31.760 I'm like, you're only eating fruits and here's a fucking smoothie. 0.99

07:47:35.000 How about them apples? 0.99

07:47:36.080 And they're like, I've never tried an apple before.

07:47:39.800 I think they've all had apples.

07:47:41.560 Oh, that's like the.

07:47:42.660 Apples are normal. 1.00

07:47:43.860 That's some basic shit. 0.99

07:47:45.200 Jason Castle donated $30. 1.00

07:47:47.860 Not so bright.

07:47:48.820 Why do you feel the need to comment on everything?

07:47:51.280 Even when no one is talking to you.

07:47:53.780 Do the world a favor and STF you sometimes.

07:47:57.100 You might like it.

07:47:58.160 I know we all will.

07:48:00.100 All right.

07:48:00.700 There it is, folks.

07:48:01.600 Any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we wrap?

07:48:04.460 Final thought.

07:48:05.020 Hold, speak now forever.

07:48:06.240 Hold your peace.

07:48:08.180 Mary, can you crack the door?

07:48:10.120 It's a little, getting a little stuffy in here.

07:48:12.780 Crack the door.

07:48:13.580 Okay.

07:48:13.940 I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you,

07:48:20.040 Sophia, a call to action.

07:48:22.040 Would you consider stopping sex work entirely tonight, right now, on the whatever podcast?

07:48:33.640 For what?

07:48:35.000 Your soul.

07:48:36.220 No.

07:48:36.420 Okay.

07:48:37.440 I tried.

07:48:37.740 All right.

07:48:38.780 GG.

07:48:39.900 GG.

07:48:40.620 Well played.

07:48:41.340 Hold on.

07:48:41.780 Well played.

07:48:42.560 Well played.

07:48:43.120 Last call.

07:48:43.720 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

07:48:46.200 Quick little shout out here.

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07:48:49.320 Guys, if you enjoyed the stream, really quick, just open up a Twitch.

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07:49:14.140 Let me do a couple shout outs. 0.96

07:49:15.340 David, thank you for the 22.

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07:49:39.720 We will be live again.

07:49:41.660 We've got Andrew Wilson in town, so we're going to be doing some debates.

07:49:44.260 I believe that starts Thursday.

07:49:47.040 We've got them lined up, so I believe Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday is the next Dating

07:49:51.440 Talk, 5 p.m. Pacific.

07:49:52.460 Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to 0.72

07:49:55.740 Santa Barbara.

07:49:56.440 Oh, sevens in the chat.

07:49:59.000 Oh, sevens in the chat.

07:50:01.080 And I'm trying to think if there's anything we're forgetting.

07:50:05.680 And I think that's pretty much it.

07:50:07.400 Let me just make sure no chats came through.

07:50:09.100 I don't want to screw anybody over.

07:50:12.060 Like the video, please.

07:50:13.980 Yeah, that's it.

07:50:14.820 That's it.

07:50:15.680 All right, guys.

07:50:16.660 Oh, sevens in the chat.

07:50:18.320 Good night, guys.

07:50:19.600 And we will see you guys next time.

07:50:22.200 Good night.

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Whatever Podcast - May 12, 2025

For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name⧸Quit Her Job？! Jay Dyer! JB! ｜ Dating Talk #242

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