00:00:00.000welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating
00:00:24.800hellscape i'm your host brian atlas i i do want to apologize uh for our delay guys
00:00:29.780we're going to just jump right in. I overbooked today. So we have 13 people total, including
00:00:38.100myself. So usually if we overbook, it's a little bit, you know, harder to get everything all set
00:00:44.040up, you know, that we got to bring on extra mics and it's just a bit longer of a process. So I do
00:00:48.920apologize for the delay there. I overbook because almost like clockwork, we can expect the day of
00:00:56.780two three four people are gonna uh no show the day before people are gonna or flake whatever
00:01:02.980but uh everybody was very reliable today so that's good but also uh makes for a very crowded
00:01:11.660table here so uh i do want to apologize for the delay the delay excuse me uh we're gonna have the
00:01:16.980guests introduce themselves so tell us your name age occupation uh where you're from and your
00:01:22.400education level all right i'm shona i'm 18 and i'm originally from the bay but i'm a freshman
00:01:29.580in college right now all right what are you studying i'm studying psychological and brain
00:01:33.780sciences okay welcome what about you hi my name is griselda i'm originally from mexico but i
00:01:40.640currently live in san antonio texas i'm a business business owner and i just got my gd here in these
00:01:47.640states age 33 33 okay what about you my name is i'm 25 i am a stay-at-home mom i do only fans and
00:02:00.940i run a maid cafe a maid cafe okay what's that um it's like a kind it's like kind of like a
00:02:09.480kai guy idol where you like serve people food but they also pay you to like dance and where are you
00:02:16.200from? Las Vegas. Vegas. Okay. What about you? My name is Lisey. I'm 21. I run a music venue in
00:02:25.060Utah. I don't go to college, nothing like that. Any college? Nope. Okay. And you're from Utah,
00:02:34.420Salt Lake City? Provo. Are you LDS? No, not anymore. Used to be though? Yeah, when I was a
00:02:41.440kid okay all right what about you my name is barbara adamson i am from missouri i am 38 years
00:02:48.620old i am the media coordinator for a pro-life non-profit i'm a writer i dabble in content
00:02:56.040creation and i have a master of arts in english and a master of arts in communication all right
00:03:02.780welcome my name is emily mac i'm originally from new york and now i live in south florida my level
00:03:09.300of education is high school uh age uh 30 30 okay what about you hi my name is Frankie um I'm
00:03:17.400originally from Florida I moved to Maryland um I studied college there I studied history
00:03:22.480I have a minor in sociology um I have my own podcast as well as I work in construction I
00:03:29.400am marketing team uh age 31 and wait you you work in construction yes I'm on the marketing team yes
00:03:38.780i'm the head of the marketing team which means it's just me really so
00:03:44.340i don't know if i've heard somebody frame something like that i work in construction
00:03:49.080dot dot dot on the marketing team so you have an office job yes okay so you know you know those
00:03:56.180statistics you know those statistics where it's like 97 percent of people in the logging industry
00:04:01.880are men i'm pretty sure it's a hundred percent but it's like they're somehow counting women
00:04:06.940who work in the air conditioned office that like that uh mess up the statistics on that
00:04:16.000uh okay so you're in the you do construction yes i have been in the field but that's as a project
00:04:23.720manager which is an actual field work it's more of like measuring and taking pictures have you
00:04:27.720ever worn a hard hat yes when i had to get on a roof as part of your job yes okay all right
00:04:35.640what about you um i'm hannah i'm 33 i am originally from delaware but i live in utah now
00:04:41.040um full-time mom i kind of skipped the college i did some college credits but i stuck with certs
00:04:46.560like esthetician school microblading personal training okay all right what about you i'm joy
00:04:52.580i'm 26 um i'm born and raised and still reside in texas just a high school diploma and uh what do
00:04:59.640you do for work oh i'm a night auditor for marriott for a hotel yeah okay got it what about
00:05:05.120you hi i'm anna i currently live in bentonville arkansas um i was in the marine so i kind of
00:05:10.160traveled around i'm not from there but i reside there now um i up until january i worked at amazon
00:05:16.460for seven years as a program manager but i was affected by the mass ai layoffs so i'm currently
00:05:22.680in my entrepreneur life and um well also maybe finding a job i don't know kind of enjoying the
00:05:28.660time off um and what was i'm 41 and you were in the marines i was in the marines uh officer or
00:05:36.900enlisted enlisted oh and i have a master's degree in business and a bachelor's in business and a
00:05:42.660bachelor's in communications and an associate's degree and i'm contemplating going back to school
00:05:47.420for spanish for spanish yes okay do you need to go to school can't you just like i can teach you
00:05:54.520and so my first language is in spanish in the uh what rank did you rise to in the marines
00:06:01.700e4 how long were you uh in four years four years okay um were you deployed i was not
00:06:10.260okay but i did live in japan for two years okay gotcha you were overseas yes and uh let's see
00:06:17.340uh what was your job in the military you're gonna laugh so i was postal and our tagline
00:06:25.420used to be no one goes postal like a u.s marine so i did the mail but everyone loved us and it
00:06:31.560got me so many like hookups like hey like the when we would have the midnight curfews in okinawa
00:06:37.080the cops would let me through you know what i mean like and if if i wanted some free food at
00:06:42.720chow hall they would you know as long as I delivered their packages on time so okay and so
00:06:47.220you had like a mail truck and you'd drive around or yeah and so people think like that's all you
00:06:52.820do but you also still have to do marine stuff like I was still out in the field you still have
00:06:55.920to shoot every marine's a rifleman but yeah yes I was I did the mail at the during the day drove
00:07:00.900the mail trucks and all the other things so yep and uh I don't know if has anybody else been in
00:07:06.100the military yeah um even if you're going to have a a job like that in the military you still have
00:07:13.780to do like everyone across the different branches too right you have to do the basic training is
00:07:18.900that correct correct yes interesting yeah i was wondering like is that anyways well don't have
00:07:28.220an ask we're here just say it well i was thinking about uh when i was in i only women made up five
00:07:33.920percent of the marine corps just as an fyi when i was do are women and i think it's changed recently
00:07:38.840can can women uh see frontline combat um yes and they've been able to for a long time i mean
00:07:46.380back during iraq and stuff they had women who served in the chow hall shooting weapons out of
00:07:53.260the backs of trucks so yep it just changed a lot like my ex-husband was a green beret and then they
00:07:58.620like now you can actually go through as a woman well and i was in from 05 to 09 so they've been
00:08:04.240allowing you were 05 09 yeah and so they've been allowing women um in combat positions even if
00:08:09.820they're not in combat roles they were out on the front if they want there was also a um program
00:08:14.160called the lioness program and so that was women who would have to pat down the women who wanted
00:08:18.540to come on base to make sure they didn't have any ieds strapped to them or anything so fun yeah
00:08:22.660Nice. Yeah, no, I guess the reason I was kind of contemplating that the other day, I was thinking that because now I believe they changed the rules where there used to be, and I forgot the specific term, but it used to be like there were gendered physical requirements.
00:08:42.760So it used to be, I think, they had lower, and this might be for the special forces, I believe.
00:08:49.560They had to lower the requirements for the women.
00:08:53.320Well, I think they have to lower the, across the entire military, the requirement, because, you know, you're going into boot camp, or you're just a fresh recruit.
00:09:03.100You have to pass some physical test at the very forefront, correct?
00:09:07.640So women, I think there's like running, I think there's probably, I don't know the exact, like maybe push-ups, you have to maybe do pull-ups, I'm not entirely sure.
00:09:20.200So women can run slower, they can, I don't know if there's a weightlifting component, but they have to do less pull-ups, maybe there's sit-ups, they have to do less of those, there's less push-ups.
00:12:47.520If we've made a determination that women are not as capable as men when it comes to being soldiers, and if there's even bars to even being in combat positions for most or even all women, it seems like a waste of resources to even put them through the basic training to learn how to shoot a rifle if there isn't a likelihood.
00:13:06.880Well, it's not just a likelihood, because even a male who's just the chef, is he going to ever shoot a gun?
00:13:13.100But in the situation that we ever need to pull from these reserve troops that are the more in assistant roles,
00:13:20.540it seems to me if we were to compare the men in the assistant roles to the women in the assistant roles,
00:13:24.900the men are going to be way more effective soldiers.
00:13:28.400So it just seems like a waste to put these women through like rifle training and combat training and basic training to begin with.
00:13:36.680Okay, so let's talk about the history of women in the military.
00:13:39.180When we started putting women in the military, it was because two relieved the men from these mundane postal jobs, you know, cook jobs, so they could go and fight the front lines.
00:13:48.840So one could argue, like, when you go to war, they're still at a base, they're still at camp, and you still need postal, you still need the chow hall, you still need all these things.
00:13:57.140So if a woman wants to serve, let him serve.
00:13:59.140I do not agree with lowering the standards if a woman wants to be in the front lines, which I don't even agree to.
00:14:04.680But if she does, I think they should meet the standards of what a man can do.
00:14:08.360But we all know physically men are stronger than women, right?
00:14:12.500So, but I do think that there's a purpose because I like the idea of freeing the men
00:51:59.820And I believe both fathers are very present in my children's life,
00:52:03.540and I believe child support is for absent fathers, not present fathers.
00:52:08.140um so i don't collect any sort of child support i take care of my kids on my own okay but i mean
00:52:14.060there's certainly some financial uh components of raising a child do they contribute in some ways
00:52:20.780yeah like my ex bought ours or buys the car like my uh older two their their dad makes
00:52:26.460good money so he buys them cars and takes them on trips and you know like yes they both contribute
00:52:31.420that way okay but they're not paying they don't give you money directly in fact i signed my older
00:52:37.260my husband my ex-husband I signed off on him having to give it to me he used to give it to
00:52:41.440me I used to have a situation similar to Hannah's where we lived in two different states and that's
00:52:45.660when I took it because I was living in a different state but once I moved like when they got a little
00:52:49.880older I just was like they need to be near their father you know a boy needs their father boys need
00:52:53.740their father so I moved near them and then once that happened I signed off on child support okay
00:52:59.460yeah um so okay you were married the the two other children are from ex-husband your ex-husband yeah
00:53:05.980and he doesn't pay you alimony nope nope okay if i ever needed anything what he would be there but
00:53:12.860i just don't like i yeah i just feel like he's a good father he's there not can you put the cup
00:53:17.220on the table please um okay so uh hold on you're you're uh did you like this guy the most recent
00:53:28.760guy who you have a kid with like was this you hooked up one time and got pregnant yes one and
00:53:35.560done i was on a business trip missed my period we were about ready to go to a um the condom broke
00:53:41.240we were about ready to go to a winery that day and i was like why is my period late and so i was
00:53:46.520like before we go to this winery i should probably and i half ass took it like this is i'm not and i
00:53:52.540was immediately like he and i still connect like we were still talking and stuff like that
00:53:56.300i moved to arkansas from california and at the time arkansas was is medically illegal and getting
00:54:03.000weed was so he was kind of like my weed plug so yeah and that's history now okay um all right i
00:54:12.900see hold on we have a tts it's kind of insulting towards me but i gotta be fair so uh all right
00:54:20.160sam demand with the the hater tts i suppose you could say as hannah has her fans in the
00:54:28.040chat i i guess uh thank you for all the twitch subs by the way appreciate it guys it's coming
00:54:32.900in in just a minute sam demand three hundred and two donated two hundred unicorn hannah you're
00:54:40.120mogging everyone brian loki looking like a fat unicorn go work out bozo and the rest of the
00:54:47.020girls are chopped eight oh shit was there i'd give her a kiss wow okay um i want to see what
00:54:54.840he looks like by the way it um so the stream labs it will change bad words into other words so
00:55:01.500unicorn was actually a retard so he was calling me a just for clarification he wasn't calling me
00:55:05.580a unicorn which is kind of a compliment but he did in fact call me a fat retard uh i'm working
00:55:11.700i'm working on it you know i'm working on it you know i'm trying to raw dog the diet too i'm not
00:55:18.120trying i'm not taking those epics i'm trying to do it fucking raw dog um okay uh relationship
00:55:23.780status over here in a relationship the longest one that i've had is average two to three years
00:55:28.940and yeah met the guy that i'm with at church all right uh and uh you how long have you been seeing
00:55:37.360the current guy roughly around two years oh two years okay are you guys engaged or anything like
00:55:42.240that um yes you're engaged okay have you ever been engaged before or married no okay you met him
00:55:49.240you're orthodox christian yes okay uh did you used to do only fans as a side hustle correct
00:55:57.140yes a while ago you don't do it anymore though is that correct anybody else does anyone here do
00:56:02.200oh you do of is anybody else do of or have done of i've done it as a side you did it yeah yeah
00:56:09.040you used to do it not really i was like scamming you were just like screen recording things and
00:56:15.360screenshotting it and then selling it to people so wait what do you mean like other people's stuff
00:56:19.900taking taking notes it's on Pornhub I don't know what you expected me to do
00:56:24.420yeah she's a hustler so you were pretending to be somebody else and using catfishing basically
00:56:29.440using somebody else's content yeah were you using a white girl or no I was using black girls because
00:56:37.140I was using like my actual face for as the sign up but like when it came to like people requesting
00:56:42.320things i'm like okay i'll just go look for something like so you would go find like a
00:56:45.920masturbation yeah that looked as close to me as possible which is like really really hard because
00:56:52.480like everyone has like a very unique build and like not a lot of people that look so wait wait
00:56:57.160what would you type into uh p-hub to like ebony what are the other adjectives to because you said
00:57:07.160your build yeah so like what would you type in to find the build match like at the time i was like
00:57:12.320really small so i'm like ebony like um petite petite and then like uh the what do you call
00:57:18.320the newcomers that are like on porn a lot like you know what i'm talking about i'm not in the
00:57:23.020business like amateur yeah all right uh somebody bought looks like they bought a merch what the
00:57:30.260heck let me see if it comes up east coast canadian thank you you bought some merch shop.whatever.com
00:57:34.840appreciate it brother thank you for the uh merch purchase thank you man uh i don't know if there's
00:57:39.560anyone else i think we're good on that okay uh relationship status sir yes so i am currently
00:57:44.600dating a girl we've been dating for 11 months and that's my longest relationship all right
00:57:49.940rock and roll uh that's everyone's relationship status so uh we're gonna jump into a couple
00:57:57.420topics here i think the first one and uh kind of took us a while to get through everything but uh
00:58:03.280I think the first thing I wanted to do was ask, let's see, hmm, this is a question for Riley, and then we're going to have to recalibrate it for some of the women, but, and, well, here, let's do this, show of hands, who here is conservative?
00:58:21.920Raise your hand if you're conservative.
01:01:15.020So in a morally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the United States and Mexico, where say neither side is right or wrong, to which country is your allegiance?
01:01:31.300That's a really tough question, to be honest.
01:01:35.600Well, I have to say probably to the United States at this point in my life, because, you know, my kids are from here.
01:01:42.020My husband, he's a U.S. citizen, and, you know, but, you know, you never leave your roots, you know.
01:01:50.320I mean, if it were to be in a war, I don't know, probably lean more towards Mexico, but, you know, I mean, it's a difficult question, you know.
01:02:00.640And do you think you deserve citizenship?
01:03:21.380In the oath of allegiance, it does require you to forsake and abandon.
01:03:26.720That's not the exact wording, but you essentially have to forsake any allegiance to any other country, state, sovereignty, principality, kingdom, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
01:03:36.920uh, and you, your loyalty must fully be with the United States. Correct. But I don't know
01:03:43.020what, if there's a, uh, to get your green card, I don't know if there's a oath of allegiance for
01:03:49.200that. No, not really. I mean, there's basically just, uh, you know, they investigate you to the
01:03:54.620core, you know, they want to know that their relationship is for real, that you're not just
01:03:58.900getting your papers, you know, but I think when you get your citizenship, yes, you have to,
01:07:30.540A lot of people fly in and overstay their visa, which is the easiest way to do it.
01:07:34.680It's just they have to have American dollars to afford that ticket.
01:07:37.540Otherwise, you have to basically take that whole commute on the train and everything.
01:07:40.840Yeah, I mean, but to say that, you know, the Hispanic men are saying Mexican men are, you know, they have to, you know, that basically they have to hitch or whatever.
01:07:52.900I mean, I think it's, you're generalizing.
01:07:55.320Not all of them, of course, but it is common and I just don't want to deal with it.
01:07:58.640I feel like every illegal immigrant I've met has been someone that's like overstayed a visa or something like that.
01:08:04.080So I just don't have the same experience.
01:13:22.880stamps they get a phone they get a hotel and you know i've been here i don't know for more than 15
01:13:29.420years and i never got anything just because i'm mexican you know but this whole propaganda
01:13:33.440propaganda that biden had you know you have to come to you you can come to the state and you
01:13:38.340will get all your stuff free that was for real well that's the thing that i also i agree with
01:13:43.320your statement like yeah that's the thing that i have as an issue though is that people tend to and
01:13:47.100it's something that's reflective of this podcast a lot they put the burden on the individual because
01:13:50.940Obviously, we live in a post-WASP society.
01:13:54.340But in reality, these systems, these welfare systems of, you know, the phone, the whatever,
01:13:59.620it's all kind of like corporatism marrying socialism and benefiting the elites that basically
01:14:05.820are seeing profit by ushering in and controlling these people's lives.
01:14:09.880Where it's like, the issue isn't necessarily with the individuals.
01:14:13.200The problem is with the system itself.
01:14:14.720If you were to start chastising every individual, that's going to take forever.
01:14:17.540But if you start chastising the mechanisms that be, that might solve things a little
01:14:20.500faster yeah and again i believe also that you know there's a the actual people that come from
01:14:26.880venezuela or cuba or nicaragua let's put it that way uh they're usually not liberals because they
01:14:33.600come from the government they come from socialism they come from dictatorships like all my you know
01:14:38.380the people that i know that are venezuela and cuban you know they hate they hate with heart
01:14:43.460like liberals or democrats because of the reason because they know what it is you know people here
01:14:48.380in the state don't know what actually socialism do to people like they think that everything is
01:14:53.740just like you know like a little cartoon that everything is for free here's your free stuff
01:14:57.980you're gonna get it for free nothing is gonna happen the money's not gonna come from anywhere
01:15:01.600but you know that's a that's very but that's the thing is that and it's an issue that i have once
01:15:06.620again i love hispanics i am hispanic i love them i just everything but the issue is much like women
01:15:12.360with marriage hispanics with green cards is contingent on whether they're going to vote
01:15:17.000republican or democrat and my issue is if our values are so conservative why is it that when
01:15:22.520you come here you vote liberal and democrat when you know that's going to support things like
01:15:25.800pro-abortion and like gay marriage and all of this jazz and it's like you're backing down on
01:15:31.560your own religious moral christian you know societal values just to get material benefits
01:15:37.680for yourself and that is reflective of a poor character that you don't necessarily want in any
01:15:41.860nation that's that is right you know what we need to do no more legal immigrants we gotta
01:15:46.520fucking deport them all that's what we got to do i don't necessarily agree because i mean why
01:15:53.560because immigrants we do a lot of things uh well hold on i know i didn't specify illegal immigrants
01:16:00.420although we should probably reduce the legal immigrants we allow in also substantially i mean
01:16:06.980i agree in certain certain things of that but again i think the way the government is doing
01:16:12.620it right now i i don't necessarily agree the way they're deporting okay i don't know how what are
01:16:18.520they doing specifically that you disagree with i mean i just feel i mean i know this has happened
01:16:23.800all the time with all the presidents i know that i'm not i'm not that stupid i just feel like you
01:16:29.660know they're they're being too harsh to people and that's why it's getting a bad rep i entirely
01:16:34.660agree with you entirely agree with me the issue is that they're trying to make this like huge
01:16:38.800propaganda of how brutal they're making it but the numbers don't reflect the brutality so it's
01:16:42.820almost like they're setting it up to fail in the first part where it's like okay we want these
01:16:46.320people out for sure but you're marketing it in such a terrible way that you're losing the public's
01:16:50.880like interest in it which is like wholly on it i hate but ask yourself why look what happened
01:16:56.680when kamala got up and said don't come here they came by the millions so they are showing a no
01:17:01.620nonsense approach look this is going to happen to you you won't be able to get back into the
01:17:05.360country for 10 years true but why don't they then target the people who are hiring the illegal
01:17:09.200immigrants why don't they target the welfare programs that are basically they should they
01:17:13.440should but they're not doing it they're making it as ugly and as harmful as possible for the public
01:17:17.680like image of it which is only going to hurt the cause meanwhile they're not like materially doing
01:17:22.120anything to actually get those numbers i don't even understand i mean look there were deportations
01:17:28.260there were deportations under Obama, there were deportations under Biden. Much of the media
01:17:33.560attention on the deportations, by the way, and they were apprehending, you know, the way they
01:17:38.480were apprehending these people has not changed substantially ever since Trump became president.
01:17:43.540It's just there's political motive now, because this is going to be like a point to sort of
01:17:49.580push people to the polls to vote Democrat in the upcoming election. And so there was none of this
01:17:55.960attention on ICE, really, at least to this degree, when Obama was president, when Biden was president.
01:18:01.700It's a sign-up. Totally. In 2016, CNN did a piece, look it up, and they were calling the illegal
01:18:07.880immigrants targets, and they were praising Obama, and they were acting like he was doing this great
01:18:13.260thing and protecting United States citizens. So it's just kind of crazy over the last decade,
01:18:17.480it's flopped, and now all of a sudden, all this negative media attention. That's what I'm not
01:18:21.220trying to say because again um again i'm not against eyes i'm not against deportation because
01:18:27.380yes a lot of a lot of people came here that shouldn't be here like let's just get that
01:18:31.380straight and i'm an immigrant again i i love immigrant people of course i i i work wait hold
01:18:38.060on everyone who crossed the border illegally or who is here illegally doesn't belong here
01:18:44.320not just the violent criminals all of them they all have to go well i don't agree with that i
01:18:51.180came that way well they brought me that way i didn't i didn't i didn't have a choice though
01:18:56.200they brought me well okay so yes obviously if you're a minor and you're under the custody of
01:19:01.100your parents and they commit the crime uh and you're secondary to that but yes you also if
01:19:06.940you're here illegally yeah you're going to be deported too or should be well again but i try
01:19:11.820my ways to to get situated you know my husband is a you sit and sit and that's the first thing we
01:19:16.920did. Well, now you're legally here. Yeah, now I'm legally here. Originally, though, you were here
01:19:21.000illegally. Yes, I stay a lot. Have your parents been deported? No, no, they actually have a tourist
01:19:26.820visa. Well, that's the thing that I'm once again saying. It's like everyone's falling for the
01:19:29.940propaganda psyop. It's like you're once again looking at like these individuals that are coming
01:19:34.520over, but it's like who's ushering them in? Who's giving them the welfare? Who's giving them the
01:19:38.140Medicaid? Who's giving them the promise? And when it comes to Obama, they counted turnaways at the
01:19:42.180border as deportations. They were flubbing the numbers, but in reality, the immigrants were
01:19:46.420still coming in at like extraordinary amounts. Let's just talk that immigrants are still coming.
01:19:51.620Yeah, they've always capitalized on like illegal scab labor. This is a problem since the 70s and
01:19:56.400it's only been multiplying. So once again, it's like blaming the individuals is not going to do
01:20:01.040anything because ultimately they're being incentivized to come over. You have to kill
01:20:05.100the incentive to stop them from coming. The government did incentivize them. Hold on,
01:20:09.740that's crazy. That's crazy policy advisement. So okay, first off, hold on, I'll explain it.
01:20:16.000So first off, if it is the case, and I think it is the case, that we aren't holding these companies responsible who are profiteering off of these illegal immigrants because you can pay them less or whatever, I'm 100% on board with you.
01:20:32.300But saying that the blame should only be placed on the systems in place that enable this, sure, we can address that, too.
01:20:39.060But also there needs to be a mechanism to actually remove the individuals from this country, ergo deportation.
01:20:46.140There was a repatriation act that happened in the 1920s during the Great Depression where once they cut out welfare, once they cut out Medicaid, like 3 million Mexicans went back to Mexico immediately.
01:20:55.380Once you remove the mechanisms to keep them here, the incentives to come here, they go away because they can't assimilate without those mechanisms.
01:21:02.100Then you only retain those that can properly assimilate.
01:22:46.700The entire process of illegal immigration, it's like a huge trafficking ring in and of itself.
01:22:51.480That the same corporations that are hiring these illegals are using their bodies, their organs, their sex, everything to basically fund their own non-government organizations.
01:22:59.140the government and the worst thing is that we get paid very minimum when i started working i was
01:23:04.980getting paid i think fifty dollars a day working from 7 a.m to 5 p.m fifty dollars a day yeah and
01:23:10.940the employer should be prosecuted chono you wanted to jump in oh yeah i was just gonna say i don't
01:23:15.580know if illegal immigration completely demerits welfare programs because those also benefit
01:23:19.800non-illegal immigrants if i'm not mistaken in the u.s sure but it needs calibration right now it's
01:23:24.380being completely abused we can't you're saying to like cut down those welfare programs for the
01:23:29.400people that are illegal and not paying them down or cut them completely if they're not paying into
01:23:33.240it why would they get it completely or cut no you have to cut down who's on it so basically there's
01:23:36.960a bunch of americans in the rust belt who are addicted to meth who are struggling because
01:23:40.180there's no jobs in the rust belt and they're not getting the welfare that they're supposed to get
01:23:44.600for all of the taxes and for all of the heritage that they have in this country and instead it's
01:23:48.280going to people who just arrived i do agree that those people should have priority with welfare
01:23:52.040programs it's not priority it should go to them that's what it was designated for we pay into it
01:23:56.040we work hard they're being disenfranchised that's why the american populace is being destroyed women
01:24:00.300in that area are now just absolutely unstable and this could certainly like boost up the birth
01:24:05.620population if they were actually aided i just thought you were kind of criticizing those
01:24:10.180programs no i'm for welfare i love welfare well actually with welfare i have a hot take on this
01:24:14.840i think that when somebody signs up for any type of government assistance while they're signing up
01:24:18.660they should relinquish their right to vote correct that's true yeah it's like you can't
01:24:22.180be dependent on the government and then vote to influence the government i also think i also
01:24:26.540think you should be able you should take a drug test correct i completely disagree with that
01:24:31.640because those individuals who are on the on those welfare programs are still completely subject to
01:24:36.020you also work to help the people administration and the presidency so they're affected by it
01:24:40.100should they not be able to contribute to like voting and no because they would just vote for
01:24:44.580more free shit correct but that's if you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day if you promise a
01:24:50.720man another man's fish he'll vote for you not only that it's like we are subject to that person's
01:24:55.000everyone votes for what responsibility we become their slave not all of us billionaires will vote
01:24:59.920for what how does banning abortion benefit me that doesn't benefit me how does how does banning
01:25:04.240slavery how does banning slavery and protecting these young black ladies right here how does that
01:25:08.120benefit me it doesn't i agree and like we should vote for what some of us vote for other people
01:26:57.640To her point, they're actually very conservative, and they're here legally.
01:27:01.100But Arkansas is very strict on immigration, so they wouldn't be running a business.
01:27:04.920We do have a chat here from Gigi William.
01:27:07.120Why does illegal immigration dominate the national debate while corporate reliance on foreign labor from countries like China gets a free pass?
01:27:26.980They passed a bunch of regulation in the 1970s and 1980s, made it economically impossible to manufacture in Chicago and Detroit and everywhere in the Rust Belt and got exported to China.
01:27:34.980the libs basically ruined uh america with their green energy bullshit reagan but that's the thing
01:27:40.360that i have as an argument why are we putting the onus on all of the immigrants instead of
01:27:45.060recognizing the people who own and run this country betrayed their own people that like
01:27:49.420between if i have a bullet and there was a traitor and an enemy you give it to the traitor not the
01:27:54.840enemy am i am i wrong no i'm not wrong you would give it to like an illegal immigrant over like
01:34:34.880It's a different language, and, yeah, there's a difference in culture for sure.
01:34:38.620You know, I mean, Mexicans, we like a lot of different things from Americans for sure.
01:34:43.660But, you know, the problem, I don't think, you know, Hispanics, I think Hispanics, we get, you know, we get very used to this culture, the Western culture.
02:04:31.460If you told me right now that implementing gun regulation would lower the collective rate of gun violence in the U.S., then I would say yes, I'm for that.
02:04:38.760So if you lower the gun violence in the United States, you would be for that policy?
02:04:41.920if it and if that result was completely clear because like people say like oh this regulation
02:04:46.540still might lead to this amount of gun violence and it might not work i'm not for that but if i
02:04:50.480know that you would be maximizing the amount of safety in this country and there would be less
02:04:54.320gun violence i would be for that so you would deport black people back to africa let me get
02:04:58.120this straight that's very racist of you we're talking about gun regulation no but you're talking
02:05:02.360about gun violence actually gun violence murder rates are committed by 60 of african americans
02:05:07.480you remove them from the equation you get equal safety levels as europe if you want to be more
02:05:11.380specific on that it's actually like 55 percent of gun violence there's many like there's many
02:05:15.400reasons that that's the case that go back for white people like it's literally like thousands
02:05:19.300of years and how many more white people are in the united states than black people you don't
02:05:22.840understand you're arguing against your case in this case i'm not arguing against my case 57 of
02:05:27.980the country is white 15 of the gun violence rate is white 60 of gun violence is committed by black
02:05:34.160people 13 of the country is black you're arguing against your why do you think that is though
02:05:38.660Why do you think black people commit more crimes?
02:05:40.420For Brian's sake, I'm not going to go into it.
02:25:59.500But when we're talking about sexuality, it's opposite sex.
02:26:03.020Like if we're talking about heterosexual, that stands for opposite sex attraction.
02:26:07.640It doesn't mean opposite gender attraction.
02:26:10.380And what I would say is just because something doesn't make sense to me and I can't relate to it, if it makes sense to them, I'm going to respect it.
02:26:16.480But why are we, as a society, forced to play make-believe with...
02:38:50.940There's actually a really interesting documentary pertaining to this called Guns, Germs, and Steel that has to do with the distribution of germs and bacteria, as well as where steel was found and who was able to invent guns.
02:38:59.720So it's because Europeans lived in dense cities and stuff, and that's why there's disease that they built immunity to, right?
02:46:35.460People get bullied and encouraged to be trans.
02:46:39.920Because it's a trend to be transgender, there is a difference between transgender people that are transgender because of the mental illness, gender dysphoria, which is real and hard to deal with, whatever, and transgender people who are transgender because they want to be part of this trend.
02:46:59.880You should be able to be feminine and wear a dress and look like a woman without calling yourself a woman.
02:47:05.440The last point on this that I'll have is when it comes to someone who is truly mentally ill, which used to be the case before it became a trend, would you be okay with them getting surgical procedures as opposed to psychiatric help?
02:47:16.980If you have some other type of delusion where you really feel like you need to have your leg chopped off, a doctor's not going to do that, obviously.
02:47:27.700I think that it probably should be the same for transgender people.
02:47:31.420you should be able to look like a woman and do feminine things without having to change the one
02:47:38.740thing that nobody sees you know and calling yourself a woman i'm in agreement i also just
02:47:43.620want to say like if you're like considering like transgender like a mental illness i really also
02:47:49.000hope you're really like an advocate for like mental health awareness more mental health
02:47:53.000resources being put into schools and things of that sort i just hope that that's the case for
02:47:56.040you yeah congratulations it is like you got good no i'm just i'm just checking i'm just hoping
02:50:37.320I think that should be, like, something they should be honest about.
02:50:39.460Yeah, last week we had a woman saying that there was no duty.
02:50:43.140Well, there isn't, like, a legal duty, so technically someone could, like, bamboozle you.
02:50:48.240But I think there should be, like, a moral ethical duty.
02:50:51.320Like, if you're trans, you should probably disclose that and not, let's say you're super passing or whatever, although I like to think that it's usually pretty obvious, but, you know.
02:52:18.540hold on let me repeat that because i fucking stuttered on a scale of zero to ten rate your
02:52:23.100own looks face body total can't pick seven so do it like for example i'll go ahead and rate myself
02:52:28.160uh face 4.5 body 4.5 total 4.5 so if you can break it down like your face rating body rating
02:52:35.880total rating starting with you can i just say like 6.5 uh no just do face body total so total
02:52:43.080would be i'll just say 6.5 for everything so can you do face 6.5 6.5 body 6.5 total 6.5
02:52:49.260i think you're stop stop stop stop stop sorry stop we don't need the constant buttons on some
02:52:55.700of these just allow the people let me go around the panel go ahead face six body six total six
02:53:01.900okay uh face six body six total six as well okay um face four and a half body six
02:53:13.020TOTAL FIVE. FACE FIVE, BODY FIVE, TOTAL FIVE. FACE FIVE POINT FIVE, BODY SIX POINT FIVE, I DON'T KNOW, TOTAL JUST FIVE, FIVE IN GENERAL, FIVE POINT FIVE.
02:53:30.020EIGHT, EIGHT, EIGHT. I THINK PERSONALITY PLAYS A HUGE ROLE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKS. I KNOW. I THINK IT PLAYS A ROLE. I WOULD SAY EIGHT, EIGHT AND EIGHT.
02:53:42.020okay what about you um mike closer to the mic please four six
02:53:48.700seven i don't know that doesn't make sense
02:53:53.400the math is not yeah in total just like a six oh i was just trying to tell this lady that she
02:54:01.100undercut herself i think you're very beautiful fyi thank you yeah um i would say seven and a
02:54:07.380half all around like down the board uh well you can't say seven at all not seven yeah so you're
02:54:14.420gonna have to either go okay can I just say six and a half then sure okay okay you don't agree
02:54:20.940to that yeah base five body probably five and then overall five okay Riley oh my acne tanks me
02:54:28.540um I would say I can't say seven so eight eight eight all right and uh I get myself four point
03:04:31.680I feel like you guys have confidence issues, so I mean, you might be surprised, but I would say, I'm just going to go quick to not take up too much time, but I would say 8, 6, no, no, no, 8, 4, 5, 3, 5, 7, 3, 9, 5, 5, 8.
03:12:30.220Well, how about before I answer your question, you tell – because my impression is you have an objection to the question, an objection to rating people's looks.
03:15:50.680I do want to be, for the sake of factuality, I'm familiar with what you're talking about.
03:15:56.180I do believe there was a hoax related to this.
03:15:58.740Now, I do agree that some of these makeup applications are so, the change is so significant.
03:16:07.220But there was a story where, like, a woman had, maybe it was plastic surgery, she had makeup, and then she was actually super ugly, and then she had kids, and the husband, like, sued the wife or whatever.
03:16:17.500I don't know if you're alluding to that.
03:31:05.040You said a larger scale of change, to clarify.
03:31:06.120Classic surgery has nothing to do with makeup.
03:31:07.780But so, okay, I mean, sure, plastic surgery is a different component of this, but women also regularly employ the usage of plastic surgery to make them more attractive than they otherwise naturally are.
03:31:18.720And maybe there's some women here who have, show of hands, who has lip filler.
03:34:11.520I was saying I think no matter which way you do plastic surgery, it looks weird and unnatural.
03:34:16.080Like even if you weren't that attractive and then you wanted to fix something about your face, I feel like it almost makes a person look worse.
03:34:21.680like it was originally made for war victims like why are we doing this to ourselves
03:34:25.120it just doesn't make clear it doesn't make sense to me yeah i mean just to be clear on the plastic
03:34:30.180surgery thing of course uh people who have actual you know either injuries or deformities
03:34:35.200uh i i do make some exemptions for plastic surgery where they are more uh they're not purely for
03:34:42.240uh vain cosmetic reasons they're like either correcting something or you know you have like
03:34:48.600half her face was fucking blown off with a fucking i don't know grenade or some shit but yeah you are
03:34:54.320the origination of plastic surgery was to correct like men who were in world war one like if women
03:34:58.780have breast cancer then maybe i would want to like yeah sure i think i'm okay i think i'm okay with
03:35:03.180what about the question of vanity like why exactly are women normalizing plastic surgery for vanity
03:35:08.120makeup for vanity if it's not socially acceptable for men why is i never thought any of this was
03:35:13.300normal and i think the kardashians made it mainstream yeah as a heavy makeup uh where can
03:35:18.600i jump in on this really quick i'd actually be okay with banning the nano tech the plastic
03:35:25.100surgery and the makeup and all cosmetics because then it levels the playing field and then i'd be
03:35:31.920totally cool i'll give it all up well that's the thing you two wear makeup to attract the type that
03:35:37.460you guys are like personality genre like wise attracted to other women wear makeup so as to
03:35:42.860appeal to men that they want to like be attracted to it all comes down to male attraction that's
03:35:48.880what makeup is rooted is it does eventually become like like i enjoy doing it it can be soothing
03:35:54.680actually for me to put it on but at the very root of like why makeup is a thing it's because of you
03:36:00.880know wanting to be attractive to men we need to go to the root of this it's something that makes
03:36:05.040you if you we all admit that plastic surgery makes you look worse and that there's an effect
03:36:08.960that makeup at its obvious points can make you look worse and you could probably look better
03:36:12.820without it then it's not for male attraction it's legitimately i can see where it started off yeah
03:36:17.780and that's that men find women attractive like the reason why it's so important for men to find
03:36:23.800women physically attractive is because it shows that the woman is healthy because they have a
03:36:27.120higher chance of carrying a successful pregnancy when it comes to eyebrows for example if you have
03:36:30.960really really thin eyebrows there's a higher likelihood that you were deprived nutrients as
03:36:34.520a child if you have thicker eyebrows it shows that you were raised in a household that was able to
03:36:38.240properly give you food which shows that you probably come from a richer family which will
03:36:41.980probably lead to more prosperous children it's all about reproduction women don't care about looks
03:36:45.680because they care about a guy who can provide now sometimes that ties into looks because it's like
03:36:48.900oh he's a hunter gatherer he can kill a pig himself but like the reason why men care about
03:36:53.580a woman's look so much is because it shows that she's healthy so that's why makeup is deceptive
03:36:57.560deceptive because it shows that she has good genetics or maybe is more healthy than she is
03:37:01.520when she really isn't that healthy which goes well then why don't y'all just date women that
03:37:05.240don't wear makeup because you are so against it but i do friends wear makeup my girlfriend does
03:37:09.100not wear makeup that's you like pictures with women who have makeup like i'm not seeing the
03:37:13.480complete opposite when y'all say y'all don't like and when you did your ratings you rated women that
03:37:18.460wear makeup i would reverse engineer that argument the men who only like women that have plastic
03:37:23.080surgery and makeup are not typically men that women find attractive because they're seen as
03:37:27.320superficial dumb and easy to fool so it's kind of like we wouldn't be attracted to a man who wants
03:37:32.860us all dolled up looking like a sex doll so then why would we turn ourselves into something
03:37:37.020artificial can i say this too and i think maybe most of the table might agree with me society
03:37:40.780as a whole like half the table just told riley he'll be more attractive when he's older men
03:37:45.640get older and women are like wow he's more attractive like silver fox daddy whatever
03:37:50.240i feel like society has pressure on women we have one wrinkle and then we feel like we need to get
03:37:55.660some botox whatever because there's a big reason there's a big reason it's because women with
03:38:00.400wrinkles are infertile most likely that is why that is why men that is why men don't find that's
03:38:05.500not even accurate that's not true that is the actual reason why men that's not true either why
03:38:11.080men don't find women with wrinkles attractive or at least as attractive as a woman without
03:38:15.280it shows that they are of higher age which means that they're less fertile it's not baby soft it's
03:38:19.640because most men that makes well that's why we feel the pressure that's why we feel the pressure
03:38:24.080to look to make ourselves look a certain way men are it's more socially acceptable for men to look
03:38:30.480raggedy have gray hair it's cool because a man who's 55 can easily provide for a family once
03:38:35.360again i'm going to introduce a feminist argument i'm like what does that mean if we lived in a
03:38:39.040well-functioning society where youth was not marketable and capitalist prone or whatever
03:38:43.040women would age gracefully and be matrons within our society giving younger women good advice
03:38:47.580within marriages that they can then impart to make the society even better the only reason women now
03:38:52.440are feeling compelled to look younger is because that's the only value in women nowadays in this
03:38:56.840society but before there used to be a tremendous amount of value in women who are older guiding the
03:39:01.540younger generations hence the whole idea of a grandmother imparting her skills cooking sewing
03:39:05.920all of that jazz being strong being able to hold on the fort nowadays women's only value is the
03:39:11.000physical because we've stripped society away from any family values from any sense of traditional
03:39:15.420cultural whatever so it's like you're basically destroying your face not because you're trying
03:39:20.940to cater to men but it's because you don't have a man that makes you feel stable or grounded yet
03:39:25.600and that's a product of how dysfunctional our society is so we're wearing makeup because we
03:39:30.580into the into the mic into the mic do you wear makeup for your man at home i do sometimes yeah
03:39:40.700that's different you wear makeup for a different reason you do it for a cultural sort of like i
03:39:44.800worry because my husband likes it he likes me both ways nice nice can we also ask the question
03:39:49.980like i when i went all over europe i it was a very the women over there were very natural
03:39:54.300and and the men over the when i would run they're not fat when i would run and well i'm just saying
03:39:59.580they didn't wear makeup they didn't like I had pink toenails they didn't they didn't they weren't
03:40:03.280into doing the nails thing it was like also a very like I don't want to say just Americanized
03:40:07.120but it's a cultural thing they're a homogenous nation that basically has prioritized their
03:40:11.500heritage they know what a French woman looks like they know what an Italian woman looks like
03:40:14.680natural beauty bodies when it comes exactly when it comes to American women especially in the 20th
03:40:20.700century when their culture has been ripped from them for the sake of like the post-World War II
03:40:24.620boom all of our appearance post 1950s has been like commercial doll marketable like look like
03:40:32.200this look like that when before in the 1800s it was valued that you were a strong sturdy woman
03:40:36.360who wore no makeup who was going to be resourceful loving caring your character traits were what was
03:40:41.360emphasized because makeup wasn't a factor beauty vanity was not a value system in a society like
03:40:46.540that if you go to paris they don't really wear makeup you can have beauty and still have character
03:40:50.300traits though yes you can but it's like why would you hide your beauty behind the makeup though
03:40:55.960because oftentimes women are actually way more beautiful when they don't wear makeup because
03:41:00.340their natural features are shining even if they're older their natural features their their life or
03:41:05.440whatever is imprinted on their face to you to everyone you oh my god everyone yeah you what
03:41:11.140to you to you because you judge women falsely to you because you judge women artificially you're
03:41:15.940No, I just think makeup looks everyone better.
03:41:18.300I judge women based on a standard of their natural beauty.
03:41:20.940They are beautiful without any money invested.
03:41:23.480They are beautiful for their natural characteristics.
03:52:02.080So here's my argument for why I think this is.
03:52:05.120Now, I do think it is the case that, for example, men can make up for their lack of looks through other means.
03:52:11.120So, like, if he's really confident or he's really funny or if he has status or if he's a professional athlete or he's bringing his personality, whatever.
03:52:20.820but like very few men actually reach like those high levels where like they will overcome their
03:52:27.200deficit in their looks like very few like how many men are like that level of funny how many men how
03:52:33.600many men are that rich how many men are that famous how many men have that amount of status
03:52:37.660how many men are hyper successful like i could i give you an example real quick look i'll just
03:52:42.920finish my point but absolutely um so i think for example in terms of my position that i think women
03:52:48.080uh, care more about looks. I think that of the things that when it comes to looks women care
03:52:53.960about, uh, those tend to be things that are completely outside the man's control. So height
03:52:59.340hair, which look, uh, if a guy's balding, he can't like, please don't let me go. But like,
03:53:06.300he can't really control that. Uh, obviously there's intervention. Like he could do, uh,
03:53:10.880there there's drugs. He could get hair transplants, but absent, uh, intervention to that degree,
03:53:15.920if a guy's balding like can't really control it um height penis size men can't control this thing
03:53:23.220that men cannot control these things and these are things physical traits that women care about
03:53:27.880whereas uh you know whereas like for men like yeah men like big boobs you can't as a woman you
03:53:35.240can't really control that men like big butts nice butt which you can you can get through working out
03:53:40.860But overall it's like just don't be fat
03:54:09.060I would argue it matters for talking about the average.
03:54:12.180I would also argue that when it comes to looks, everyone cares about looks because if you're attracted to someone, that's the baseline of you initiating a relationship with them.
03:54:19.540But when it comes to women, if a man is not attractive to them, they'll be nice to them at first.
03:54:23.680But if he insists, it starts to feel dangerous when he's unattractive.
03:54:50.900I think that you can genuinely not be attracted to a dude and then get to know him and become attracted.
03:54:54.580Very rarely do you find a guy dating a girl saying, I was not attracted to her and I'm with her.
03:54:59.900I do think there's a baseline level of, I kind of agree with you, but I do think there's, like, a baseline, like, level of physical, like, a threshold of physical attractiveness that they have to get over.
03:55:12.220But then I do agree that, like, if you like the guy's personality, you tend to find him more physically attractive the more you get to know him.
03:55:20.300Well, also, in my 600-pound life, as it was brought up, there's a lot of men who will only date what they can get.
03:55:25.460And it's not a matter of, oh, they found her attractive.
03:58:50.740I think, like, I actually know several couples who are married that met on dating apps.
03:58:56.800True, but for 90%, that's anecdotal, but for a 90% rejection rate, I think there's an element of safety where you just don't want to go out with a random guy.
03:59:04.200If you nail someone who's, like, gorgeous, sure.
03:59:06.660Hold on, but everyone's a stranger before, like.
03:59:09.480But if you meet organically, that's different in a safe, controlled environment.
03:59:13.320But if you're meeting online, that's different.
03:59:16.020I think it's safer to vet men because I've found, you know, but how would you vet men from an internet experience?
03:59:24.020Like, stranger danger was an application we were raised with.
03:59:26.720How is that not applicable to a romantic sexual situation?
03:59:29.280Yeah, I think, I mean, the safety of dating apps, I mean, there are precautions that a woman can take prior to meeting up with a man
03:59:37.340that would alleviate most of the concerns.
03:59:42.040I mean, obviously, you meet in the public place.
03:59:43.960You have a phone call, a FaceTime call beforehand.
04:04:57.340So, like, the rule behind it is when a woman would have sex with a man, for the entirety of the, like, reproductive lifespan, you could say, she has to be pregnant for nine months in order to reproduce.
04:05:08.800I already understand it's more biological.
04:05:10.060Yeah, so a woman has to be pregnant for nine months, and then have to take care of the kid.
04:05:14.380Yeah, and then the man, for him to successfully reproduce takes him like 5, 10, 15 minutes.
04:05:37.440Would you agree that vagina rules the world?
04:05:40.060done uh no maybe persuades you could say well by by that logic especially the ones especially the
04:05:47.380big labias like brian by that logic you would have to say that casual sex is a currency that
04:05:51.520women have and it's not it's oppressive to women it distorts their soul it just makes them
04:05:55.040dysfunctional so it's it's not that vagina rules the world it's that if a man does do that to you
04:06:00.260it leaves you wounded and for him it leaves him addicted to sex it makes him a beast you're right
04:06:05.320yeah it's true i don't know did anything that i say say there did did any of that make sense to
04:06:10.840any of the women like does that map onto reality for any of you yeah you know i don't know but i
04:06:15.740also think the amount of lust that men can have due to that sometimes can be a problem yeah really
04:06:19.780quick um you have pronouns right yeah don't you have pronouns in your instagram bio probably but
04:06:26.800what are they like fay them or something oh yeah i thought they sounded cool oh those aren't your
04:06:32.340actual pronouns okay so anyways back to this just really quick finishing off my my point here and i
04:06:38.000think there's a couple things like why the looks rating matters um so i think also because of this
04:06:44.740because women can sleep with men say that are outside their league like for example drake
04:06:50.040he'll just fuck some like good-looking instagram chick who is like socioeconomically completely
04:06:56.480below him i mean he's probably like selecting for a good look so maybe like she's better looking
04:07:03.920than him but you'll have like famous men who will date these women so you have like average women
04:07:09.020who can have access to men who are more attractive than them granted these men are just using them
04:07:15.020for sex but it's like be pleasant and you're an average looking woman make yourself sexually
04:07:20.140available like you can fuck men who would never commit to you but who are like attractive
04:07:25.760um and you see this happening on dating apps like a guy might just be like on a fucking friday some
04:07:31.240like really attractive dude who's on a dating app oh here's some like chubby average looking chick
04:07:35.880okay i'll fuck her like well you might object to it but like this is a phenomenon that happens
04:07:41.280and then that chubby average looking chick is like oh i fucked a dude who's like a nine
04:07:46.560or an eight i therefore i must be an eight too and then they look at the guys who are like
04:07:52.760chubby average looking dudes and they're like i can do better but it's like no the guy just wants
04:07:57.540to use you for sex you got and if you want a relationship you're not going to get the hot dude
04:08:03.160and you're a chubby average looking chick you're not going to get the hot dude uh go match up with
04:08:08.000the chubby average look like dude so it's like i think it would it would benefit the dating sphere
04:08:12.760more if men were slightly more intentional about who they had sex with i'm fine i'm totally fine
04:08:16.640with that yeah i'm totally fine with that we're also discussing people who are ultimately empty
04:08:20.800I mean, there's been the subject, as Hannah has brought up multiple times, of character where, yes, looks are important to get your foot into the door.
04:08:26.400But ultimately, average people are usually in long-term committed relationships with other average people.
04:08:31.540It's typically the extremes that are really ugly, like the polyamorous people where it's just like a cesspit or really successful and gold diggers are going after them.
04:08:40.200But averages, so not blackpill, the majority of people are averages.
04:08:43.960They're dating pretty much within their own field.
04:08:47.080uh yes for getting uh relationships but if i would argue that like for example i think average
04:08:55.660looking men don't have sexual access to women who are better looking than them uh who are outside
04:09:01.920their league but average looking women definitely have limited sexual access to men who are outside
04:09:08.720of their league now whether they act on it or not is different i'm not saying all women do this
04:09:13.260I argue all women have the capacity to do it furthermore I would argue this
04:09:17.440I think that as a man if I have sex with a woman I have a high confidence level
04:09:23.000I can get that woman into a relationship I don't think women can be quite as confident as
04:09:28.780like for example let me ask just because you can sleep with a guy how confident are you
04:09:34.720in all instances that you can get him into a relationship it's harder I feel like you guys
04:09:39.700would be not quite as confident but i'm very confident if i can sleep with a woman it's not
04:09:45.880a hundred percent but i'm very confident i can get her into a relationship you're using the wrong
04:09:49.700value systems it's like saying oh well you know women can sleep with whoever they want sexual
04:09:53.280access to a woman is not a value metric it's a relationship as you pointed out and a relationship
04:09:57.400access is not really a value metric to a man who doesn't want to date someone who he just has
04:10:01.680interest in having sex with you're putting a value metric that men have onto women saying oh you can
04:10:06.540sleep with whoever you want women don't like that as riley already pointed out we're not really
04:10:11.060someone continue continue mexico came to us i'm in heaven yeah um women are not interested in
04:10:20.740having sex with just a random high status man they're trying to secure him and bait him with
04:10:25.040sex into a relationship whoa wait wait wait hold on i gotta push back on this do you think
04:20:40.480Because in, you know, erotica, you have all the many pages detailing the relationship building, the context building, the romance.
04:20:49.580And so women tend to find that, obviously, more, you know, attractive.
04:20:53.680But, like, the whole, like, romance novel, the romance movies, it sells this, like, horribly inaccurate idea of what relationships really are.
04:28:07.360So there's a bit of a nuance here insofar as, like, in some ways, you'll see from both a feminist perspective, but also almost a conservative perspective, a pedestalization of women, which I personally object to.
04:28:23.500So I don't believe that women should be pedestalized.
04:28:28.020Now, of course, you should treat your girlfriend or wife, you should treat her well.
04:28:31.740you should uh take care of her you should uh well that's being put on a pedestal a good boyfriend
04:28:37.480be a good husband but but a rejection of pedestalization i don't think is i think the
04:28:44.640language around relationships are all dysfunctional where it's like people say what do i want what do i
04:28:48.780want what do i want but a nature of a relationship is self-sacrificial it's supposed to be what can i
04:28:53.040provide what can i provide and when you have that lens you can have discernment to tell if someone
04:28:57.220else is going to be a bad bet or if they're going to be someone that can compliment your giving
04:29:01.720and say, I can basically fit you in this way
04:37:15.380But why is it that so many good men are considered boring, but when it comes to broke men, as you've been mentioning, that are exploitative, they get girls.
04:37:26.280You're not looking for the right value system.
04:37:28.140Women are not oriented or educated correctly.
04:37:30.100If you're looking for a man, as you've mentioned, that has resources, is going to be a good father, is going to be a good husband, has the good character traits and quality,
04:37:37.000why is it so common for women to complain about men that have taken advantage of them, exploited them, that have basically used them for X, Y, and Z?
04:37:44.500They were looking at things superficially.
04:37:46.260They weren't looking at the things that actually matter.
04:37:48.080I think they were trying to look at it that way so they could say, like...
04:37:49.600But if they were looking for that, they wouldn't have been deceived.
04:39:48.220So basically what happened is a woman was, I guess, dating an identical twin, and then she was having sex with both of them, unbeknownst to them.
04:43:10.640I would say when it comes to child support, it shouldn't be allowed unless the man was negligent, abusive, or some form of provable malfeasance.
04:43:19.380Otherwise, it's 50-50 custody if he wants it.
04:43:21.460And if not, it's 100% custody to basically discourage women from doing situations like this.
04:43:26.460Where it's like you're not going to get child support from a man that you unethically behaved with.
04:43:31.120Well, actually, I think she should get child support from neither of them.
04:54:43.020I put 60K, and as long as they're not relying on me for anything, dating, obviously, for married and things happen, but dating, as long as they're not relying on me financially, then, yeah.
04:59:13.980She has her very first kid at 35 years old.
04:59:15.980Then when she tries to have a second kid at 38 years old, she's like, oh, wait, I'm infertile.
04:59:19.440By the time a woman hits 30, if she is unmarried and doesn't have kids, she has a 50-50 chance of ever actually getting married and then having kids.
04:59:35.300The average woman in America has a kid after the age of 30 years old.
04:59:38.040Yeah, and that's part of the reason the maternal mortality rate has gone up.
05:03:17.720The MAID program is something that's becoming more and more popular, where they're basically allowing, like, to self-terminate, basically, based off of just how you feel.
05:03:26.540It happened in Spain with this really famous case where a girl was just violated.
05:03:32.000So, and not only that, they harvest your organs before you're fully expired, basically.
05:03:37.060So, in a functional society, in a good society, do we allow people who are behaving in a way that can be so easily exploited to behave that way?
05:03:46.460Absolutely not, because when you're in that state that is a mental illness and you need to be treated with care, you can't make, it's like when you're in court and they're deciding whether or not you're mentally able to testify or whatever, it matters what mental state you're in.
05:04:03.640Do you think we're normalizing mental illness as a means to behave in certain ways, meanwhile stigmatizing common sense, so as to facilitate people to hurt themselves and profit from that?
05:04:13.880I think we stigmatize mental health a lot as a society, and this goes back to, I don't
05:04:18.760want to bring up the transing again, but when you're like, oh, why is that a mental health?
05:10:36.860where he's thinking like oh this and that he's looking for the ideal partner he set himself up
05:10:40.380correctly he's basically raised himself to have a career he's done everything the right way when
05:10:44.700it comes to someone who's had a difficult life when they're older they're going to look for
05:10:48.040someone else who can understand that they don't want to marry someone like riley where it's like
05:10:51.540you're not going to understand this life that's how i feel because i'm like i would love to be
05:10:56.020dependent on somebody but i i feel like i was put in a position where i i have to be rely on my
05:11:01.060kids yes yes there's no way like i think it'd be unattractive if i was not independent as a mom
05:11:06.700And you're on welfare and like you should find a man that is going to be someone who's wounded by a similar experience and will understand that pain and compliment you and give you that life that you've always sought.
05:15:04.480The thing is that when it comes to men like that, it's like if they're career-driven,
05:15:08.580and I argue that for the same thing for men,
05:15:10.040And if they're career-driven or materialist-driven, saying, I'm going to provide this for a woman, then, yeah, they might think indiscretion is okay because they provide whatever.
05:15:18.080That's actually what happened with my grandpa.
05:15:21.980But still, I'm like, if a man doesn't prioritize family, if his conviction is not, I want to do this for my wife, for my children, then that's not a good man.
05:15:31.180If he's saying, I want to do this because that's how you get women, then that's kind of an indication of he's going to look around and justify himself.
05:30:18.720Like, for example, I've noticed sometimes women who have a bit more body hair, like some arm hair, I look at them, I'm like, she might have an outie.
05:30:30.780This is from personal experience, not from looking.
05:30:34.880Well, typically when it comes to high-powered men in stressful positions, which I would qualify Brian as being, and he likes dominant women who are just going to take control from him.
05:30:43.340So my bad luck makes sense for the lobbying.
05:30:46.280equation he just said he wants a woman to defer to him to be submissive he could say that but the
05:30:52.200big lobby uh hairy arms maybe she wants to be dominated by the labia let's call it a lobby
05:30:57.620it's not a lot like a hotel lobby labia it's still it's still a woman subject it's still a
05:31:09.460subject matter it doesn't make it gay it's still it's not gay i argue that it's not gay but what
05:31:14.680i'm saying is if you want a woman with extra testosterone and you're in a high control group
05:31:19.300typically men who are in those high positions like dominant women because it gives them i don't
05:31:24.060like dominant women go control that big you'd be with a million a billionaire
05:31:28.600you said you would be with a billionaire woman over the love of this isn't this isn't contrary
05:31:34.320to my position it is very much contrary he said a billionaire he said that a billionaire is an
05:31:41.340exception, not the rule. Hold on. Yeah. Okay. Well, you just said you don't like
05:31:44.860independent women too. You guys are attributing like things that don't even exist. First off,
05:31:49.800recall when I said she's a billionaire, but she meets my other metrics, right? So like my other
05:31:55.060metrics would be like, she defers to my leadership. She, she's submissive, et cetera. So no, I don't
05:31:59.880have an attraction to dominant women. I find them quite off putting. Uh, it's independent
05:32:05.160dominant though. Like if you're an independent woman, we were talking about dominant. Her claim
05:32:08.700was dominant women. Would you like a woman
05:33:36.240Yeah, so essentially birth control changes the type of man that a woman finds attractive.
05:33:40.000So let's say you're on birth control when you're in high school.
05:33:42.120You meet a guy, he's great, he's so nice, he's only 5'8", but whatever, you find that he's a nice guy, he's going to be a computer scientist or whatever.
05:33:48.840You get married to him, then you're like 28 years old, and you're like, hey, let's have some kids.
05:33:52.600so you get off birth control and then what happens is when you get off that birth control to have
05:33:56.720kids or whatever your your natural state of what you find attractive will then shift to a more
05:34:01.580masculine type of guy so then when you have like two kids already you're like crap i haven't found
05:34:05.800my husband attractive in like five years but geez tyrone from high school being very you know high
05:34:10.520testosterone or whatever he's very attractive i'm gonna go cheat on my husband i'm gonna get a
05:34:13.860divorce with my husband he's a wimp i think it's a crazy reach to say that yeah that was like
05:34:18.440birth control is going to happen with birth control wait so so the yeah yeah the the phenomenon
05:34:24.840that that riley's talking about and that she's agreeing with is that when women are taking
05:34:29.800hormonal uh birth control they have done studies on this and i think i i'm not sure the exact
05:34:35.220methodology but they'll like show uh women picture uh faces uh pictures of faces of men
05:34:42.180and they'll use like men who have more feminine characteristics versus men who have
05:34:45.960more masculine characteristics and when women are on birth control they actually find men who have
05:34:51.180more like feminine soft features uh more attractive when they're on hormonal birth
05:34:56.180so imagine what happens attraction would completely like plummet to the ground and do a 180
05:35:01.000i don't know but i don't think the claim is it's like okay they know like it's to degrees
05:35:07.260yes i think birth control should be banned also birth control causes an abortion at a very early
05:35:15.080staged at around five days. So essentially, you can still conceive when you're on birth control.
05:35:19.180The main function of birth control is to prevent ovulation. The secondary function of birth control
05:35:24.280is that if you do conceive, it'll thin the lining of your uterine wall so much that the conceived
05:35:29.160egg cannot implant on the uterine wall. So for that reason, birth control should be banned because
05:35:35.080it is murder, because abortion is murder. It's quite common sense, actually. And then the other
05:35:38.860reason is because it makes women want to divorce their husbands. If you actually look at the birth
05:35:42.560control usage rates and divorce rates, they actually perfectly coincide with a three-year
05:35:47.400delay. It is perfectly coincided. If you look at divorce rates in America from 1960 to modern day
05:35:54.160to birth control rates from 1960 to modern day, perfectly coincides with it. And so yeah, birth
05:35:59.720control changes the type of man that you find attractive. So when you get on it or off of it
05:36:03.360while you're with a guy or married to him, there's a really likely chance that you will not find him
05:36:08.360attractive anymore and that's the main reason why the majority of divorces are initiated by
05:36:12.860women nowadays i have an argument against birth control from a different position me too can i
05:36:17.600voice it yeah so um birth control when it was uh popularized it actually people thought well this
05:36:25.260will decrease the need for abortion this will eliminate people prevent pregnancies but the
05:36:30.500reality is once the birth control pill was introduced uh people started having way more
05:43:42.100So you're subsidizing your restaurant.
05:43:43.560It's a cultural difference, though, because, like, with an Hispanic culture, the element of wanting that passionate love, which involves a lot of, like, toxic elements, is what's prioritized.
05:47:27.860I'm like, if you're working and having sex with him and paying for everything or whatever and you have kids, then it's more than 50-50 at that point.
05:47:35.180You've given him children, you've given him money, and you're giving him sex and passion.
05:47:38.920So it's like that's a whole different other definition of egalitarianism.
06:12:06.160Yeah, from a Christian framework, you have it.
06:12:09.220Not even a Christian one, a materialist one, where if she's going out, that's a threat to your material relationship.
06:12:13.960Where it's like, this shouldn't be a concern I have in the relationship.
06:12:16.520If I'm guiding you, it's in matters of finances or in matters of safety or in matters of whatever.
06:12:20.900But if you're going out, putting our relationship in jeopardy, but it's not her physical safety that necessarily men are concerned about if she goes to a club or goes with single friends.
06:12:28.720If she goes to a club, I am concerned with her physical safety.
06:12:41.360There's a greater risk in like a nightclub scenario or party scenario where there's alcohol involved.
06:12:48.380Anything outside at night is dangerous.
06:12:50.900i think sa should be the risk not infidelity because if she's the type of woman to cheat then
06:12:54.680i feel like you don't want to be with her no if you don't trust her but then she's not loyal
06:12:59.660she's got a bad character you don't have to go to a club there is like there is opportunity
06:13:03.280it's disrespectful opportunity yeah but like sa no i i said like the risk and the reason no what's
06:13:09.940sa oh sexual assault oh it's like rape serious yeah well it could be even less than that but
06:13:15.240that's what i'm saying is that if you're going out to a club where it's clearly dating oriented
06:13:19.260there's alcohol flowing your friends are single they're going to encourage you to make mistakes
06:13:23.480because typically single women are going to head and peck your relationship that's disrespectful
06:13:28.360to the relationship if she's going out and basically like living her hunter s thompson
06:13:33.320life driving like 100 miles on las vegas strip like yeah at that point you could say like sweetie
06:13:38.080like submit to me you're kind of crazy but if she's going out doing things that are going to
06:13:41.700harm the fidelity of the relationship that's a different equation i don't understand why you're
06:13:45.340disagreeing with brian so if a woman were to go out with her friends and not tell him at all that
06:13:49.020would be disrespectful right and then let's say he were to say hey i do not want you to do that
06:13:53.740she's then prompted like hey i don't my man does not want me to do this that would be a
06:13:58.000non-submissive woman the reason i'm disagreeing with brian is because i want him to have higher
06:14:01.220standards he's conflating submission with bare minimum i'm quite certain that brian has the
06:14:05.600highest standards of almost any man if he's if he's having to articulate why it is that he wants
06:14:09.960his own bed at night and then women are crashing out on him that's emotional hostility that's
06:14:14.820basically being disrespected that's not submission that's just having a basic emotional boundaries
06:14:19.240wanting to be respected if the inverse were to happen where it's a woman saying listen sweetie
06:14:23.140you know i just don't want to share a bed tonight and the guy was like okay he would leave but if
06:14:27.340if he were to say no i'm not going to do this it would be seen as hostile and toxic wait wait
06:14:31.380yet that's not acknowledged i agree well hold on i agree with brian because i don't like sleeping
06:14:35.880in the same bed as people either so i agree with him there however i do also think that the no bed
06:14:40.800thing could be a huge deal breaker for someone and it's just something that you should put out
06:14:45.800before you bring someone over just so they don't have the the the because then you're just giving
06:14:50.320yourself a headache with her crash outs so it's just a good thing to put out there like hey this
06:14:54.940is I don't really like you know sharing beds or whatever I mean it's just like that way you're not
06:14:59.380also ruining you're also not like wasting your time too you're not wasting your time you're not
06:15:04.500dealing with the crash out you're not wasting her time because it could be a huge deal breaker
06:15:08.820Okay, so I agree with you that it's probably a good idea to preemptively let somebody know that this is something that you want or whatever.
06:15:18.140However, if it isn't disclosed, the woman should still acquiesce to your boundary, to your determination on this issue and not fucking freak out about it.
06:15:31.240Well, I just think it's like they get a little blindsided because you just like had sex with them.
06:15:36.160they're all emotional and now it's like you're dismissing them women are emotional yeah really
06:15:41.120so yeah you got to regulate you got to regulate your emotional response to that and uh not like
06:15:47.580just have a make a scene basically no not make a scene i just i can understand why they feel
06:15:53.760dismissed a little bit women want women will submit when you make them feel comfortable
06:15:57.820if you're not reject they maybe feel what really is important is that a woman doesn't submit to uh
06:16:02.940just any man because let's say a man is like hey i want to be a cuck like destiny or something
06:16:06.220right like you wouldn't want a woman to do that that's not a good woman you want a woman who's
06:16:10.540submissive to god right and if a man has godly leadership she should be submissive to that man
06:16:15.140and his instructions so to be really specific about it a woman should be submissive to god and
06:16:20.180godly male leadership so uh okay another disagreement we have hannah here too aggressive
06:16:26.120with religious views i assume that relates to andrew wilson just because i'm not particularly
06:16:31.040religious uh be a little more kind do you want to elaborate on that i think if you're taking like a
06:16:38.120religious approach especially with like only fan girls like when they're just like you're a hoe
06:16:42.000you're a whore you're i'm like i don't i don't do that i've well i've seen clips before where like
06:16:47.080is it andrew you asked it was the question yeah but the andrew's not here so like well i just
06:16:53.040answered the question oh okay i mean he does come on the podcast a lot so he's tight well i mean
06:16:57.860are you are you religious or um i grew up very very mormon but currently i got excommunicated
06:17:03.920oh okay we'll talk about that in a moment and then i got re-baptized by my ex-husband
06:17:08.780so what's your current status though um i'm not active lds i do you believe in god i think so
06:17:17.100but i'm gonna be honest it's kind of like a mind f like when you go from like one extreme in a
06:17:22.460religion to like to like questioning like lds culture in general now it's like okay well what
06:17:28.660is real but i still like would love to have some type of like christian base it's just it's like
06:17:35.920very confusing i guess okay um well yeah i mean as far as andrew's disagreements with
06:17:41.740sex workers for example uh i mean sex work is completely incompatible with lds it's
06:17:48.220incompatible with christianity it's incompatible with uh is islam but what's the what is it i
06:17:55.860don't know i could be saying strong like what john 3 15 or something it's like god came to the world
06:17:59.660to condemn that like not to condemn people but to save them it's like so when you're really that
06:18:04.700harsh with people do you actually think they're open to hearing your i mean wasn't jesus like
06:18:09.400with the pharisees he was like knocking tables over yes like so i mean this idea that christians
06:19:36.980That's a reference to when Jesus went into a temple and basically flipped over a bunch of people's tables and whatnot and got very mad at them.
06:19:43.320So some of us are supposed to be kind.
06:19:48.240But, like, some of us are meant to be very assertive and dominant.
06:19:50.740And, like, the table flippers, essentially, that just kind of call out the bullshit, be very blunt about it and say, you know, we're not being nice here.
06:19:57.980And so none of us can be Christ, but we're all different parts of the body of Christ.
06:20:02.300So we'll have different characteristics of Christ.
06:20:04.960I understand that text, I agree with it, because the way I came to Christianity was just like that tough love, and I appreciate that tough love, that's why I like Andrew Wilson.
06:20:13.340But at the same time, there is room for criticism, where something that he can improve on is, if you're swearing, it clouds your mental clarity.
06:20:19.760That's why the Bible says to be careful of perverse speech.
06:20:22.940So if you're calling a woman a hoe and all of this jazz, you're no longer approaching it from a Christian perspective.
06:20:28.540If you call a woman a whore, and then you also call a woman a promiscuous woman, they have the exact same meaning.
06:20:34.960Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I think I caught the tail end of this.
06:20:39.240But I think Jesus was referring, referred to people as vipers.
06:20:43.760That's a different group that you don't want to mention right now.
06:23:42.760i will say in this case biologically assigned at female at birth yeah but what if the woman
06:23:48.520wants to abort a child that the man wants to keep that's his baby like then he has no say in it
06:23:52.720it's her body though just this leads into a whole abortion debate yeah what is what is what i'm
06:24:00.120studying maybe later we can have to deal with she's talking about his mental health so that's
06:24:03.700exactly what it has to do with his mental health yes how would it affect his mental health if she
06:24:07.140decides to have an abortion he doesn't want it would affect her mental health too and it affects
06:24:10.240her body so therefore there's more effects yeah but is his does his mental health now i'm not
06:24:14.540saying it doesn't matter i'm just saying you do that's exactly what i know a lot of it's not
06:24:18.620what if it was allowed for him to take her to court to make sure that he could have his baby
06:24:22.400she doesn't have to take care of the baby he can take hold of the baby when did i say his mental
06:24:26.960health doesn't matter you just did i didn't his mental health matters his mental health matters
06:24:30.600and mental health matters it's still her body and i still don't believe a fetus is you're a
06:24:35.060an epilator well then how does a baby grow whatever you want to say how does how does it grow oh my
06:24:40.500god we're getting so off topic uh here can you read this show now they want to confuse the diff
06:24:46.440between getting on her knees looking up while giving oral versus doing laundry without being
06:24:51.560asked which is the same only when a man asks to do the things no matter what and she agrees is
06:24:56.760submissive never understood why this is so hard to understand i guess we didn't fully finish off the
06:25:02.020the laundry thing i guess i could add two more things really quick then i'll move it on
06:25:06.440uh you might think it's ridiculous that i have an expectation on the first time a girl comes over
06:25:11.220for her to do my laundry i think it may be in total like one load of laundry i mean there's
06:25:17.680machines that do it so folding is probably the primary time sink uh it maybe takes a woman 20
06:25:24.980minutes tops to to do it uh in order for a man to take a woman out on a date let's say a guy
06:25:31.540Let's say it's a younger guy, and he's going to pay for the date, and he makes $20 an hour, and he takes her to fucking Chili's, and they get a drink each, appetizer, main course, dessert, plus tip.
06:32:10.120And then he goes to the store and buys them.
06:32:11.520He walks out of his seat, goes and buys the flowers.
06:32:13.720It wouldn't really mean as much because he wasn't really intending to do that until you brought it up as kind of like a requirement, right?
07:11:06.140Sometimes I, you know, I don't know, something, it's going on in my head, and I don't want to have sex, because for me, it's an intimacy, yeah.
07:11:15.380We're not talking about all the time, we're just talking here.
07:11:17.500Yeah, so the question is, regularly turns them down.
07:11:20.240So if the girlfriend is sick, or she's not feeling well, or maybe she's just having an off day, and she's not in the mood, I think that's totally fine.
07:11:29.980However, if you're regularly turning down, then...
07:11:35.960I still believe that it shouldn't be a reason for a man to dump a woman.
07:11:39.980I would argue, in the same way that Brian brought up the whole,
07:11:43.060and it's a great example, honestly, the whole bed situation,
07:11:45.940that's neglecting a woman's attention and affection theoretically.
07:11:49.220So if a woman is neglecting a man sexually,
07:11:52.020would you be okay if a man was neglecting you with the affection and attention?
07:11:55.320And if he was, would it be okay for a woman to dump him
07:11:58.420if he's not meeting her emotional needs?
07:12:02.180I was just going to say, I kind of agree.
07:12:03.520I think your sexual needs, like both men and women's sexual needs are important in a relationship the same way a woman's needs for affection.
07:12:08.480I just don't think women have sexual needs, not like men.
07:12:11.040I mean, like, are you saying, like, you wouldn't want to have sex with them or you wouldn't even do sex with them?
07:20:18.580i mean i can say that it could not be my preference but i wouldn't just judge
07:20:25.580judge someone of the way they're either the look what would actually be wrong with it though
07:20:30.140i mean that's if that's your preference that's fine i just think it's not right i just think
07:20:34.360that it's wrong just to judge someone by the way they look but don't you think attraction has to
07:20:38.900be there in a relationship well yeah exactly and if you if you like most people like i'm not
07:20:42.320attracted to like an obese person the same way maybe brian wouldn't be attracted to it's a
07:20:46.340lifestyle too you can't help that attraction so it's not morally wrong to like have you ever
07:20:50.540attraction to a fat person have you ever rejected a guy at a bar because he just wasn't your type
07:20:55.160like you're like oh you're not attractive like now no thank you absolutely okay so you're saying
07:21:00.160that we are morally wrong for saying no we don't want to date a 300 pound woman who's going to have
07:21:05.060like like a diabetes when she's pregnant and not be able to get birth no that's immoral but like
07:21:10.840you're like oh yeah i've rejected guys and you know well but i have the bar well to start off i
07:21:15.340don't go to bars so but yeah i have rejected guys at different based off their looks yeah have you
07:21:20.300based off looks no based off so if a guy was a stunning knight in shining armor strong jawline
07:21:27.140look at these eyebrows like just like this if you look just like that you you wouldn't have
07:21:32.020rejected him you would have said oh yes you would have said definitely no i mean again i don't base
07:21:36.800myself when i date i don't i don't actually look i don't if they look good okay fine but i mean i'm
07:21:42.980still gonna so it doesn't matter at all it doesn't matter at all physical attraction is a very
07:21:47.220important aspect it is it i feel like it is but um again not for me but you got to think about
07:21:53.440everyone but oh yeah even even if they're asking me for me it's not so i think this is a no offense
07:21:58.660i think you're bullshitting i think you're lying but even if we were to grant that you care nothing
07:22:03.540whatsoever about looks and physical appearance your own uh preference would not map on to like
07:22:11.460the vast majority of other people and it wouldn't mean that they're wrong for like yeah okay you
07:22:17.540um like for example i like big labia i don't think it's wrong for a guy to have a genitalia
07:22:23.280preference to like prefer an innie or whatever no i mean i mean it's not wrong i just you know
07:22:29.680like i said you that's a question towards me if it's wrong for me it's wrong for me but not for
07:22:34.320everybody else i guess no but the question the statement is not do you from is it wrong for you
07:22:42.240it's like a general statement for me i feel like for example the question for example uh on the
07:22:48.120questionnaire question uh or statement 24 women are the primary victims of war not men have you
07:22:53.740ever been the victim of war no not you okay but so i'm asking you like to think in a more general
07:23:01.700sense not just strictly about your own okay if we're talking about like generalize it maybe yeah
07:23:09.120maybe it's not wrong for a man to have their own preferences i think she's saying it's fine for
07:23:12.940everyone else it just feels wrong okay so then the less defensible position i don't even think
07:23:17.240it's wrong though in a relationship for a man or a woman i don't have a double standard to break up
07:23:23.080with their significant other uh if they like gain 200 pounds i don't think that would be wrong
07:23:28.440even in a relationship now perhaps you can give a bit of leeway perhaps they can correct it but i
07:23:36.780don't think it would actually be wrong for me it's a health thing in a lifestyle i'm very active i
07:23:41.980like to hike i like to go on my bike i like to do all the things like the talk i can't do
07:23:46.060i've been sitting here go ahead go ahead continue with your point go ahead go ahead
07:23:50.480just disregard go ahead okay so anyways i can't do that with someone who's 300 pounds i can't
07:23:55.760maintain this lifestyle i'm also granola and i feel like if you don't care about yourself why am
07:24:00.140i supposed to care about yourself and who wants to date a lazy person yeah if you're extremely
07:24:03.480overweight that says that you don't care about yourself or you're lazy or you don't have ambitions
07:24:07.520and goals yeah and i got huge this last pregnancy i gained over 100 pounds and i lost it so and i
07:24:13.560because i know that's not my lifestyle that's not who i am as a person i just had a baby late in
07:24:18.820life but this is my lifestyle and this is what so if you if your wife or your girlfriend or whatever
07:24:23.460has a baby like obviously some little lean weight because it's you get fat sometimes well no okay so
07:24:28.100yeah if your your girlfriend is pregnant yeah of course she's going to put on some weight uh but
07:24:33.860i think uh let's say for example absent a pregnancy uh your girlfriend puts on 200 pounds i i that's
07:24:41.420like a massive material change to yeah like your level of attractiveness physical attraction to
07:24:47.260her um now look the man could also choose to stay with her because he loves her that would be fine
07:24:52.480too but i don't think i would i think it'd be hard pressed to actually say that it's wrong for a man
07:24:58.800to break up with his girlfriend because he's no longer attracted to her women break up with men
07:25:05.380all the time for a myriad of they fall out of love they're no longer attracted to the guy whatever it
07:25:09.980might be the guy changes in one way or the other people break up i don't think it's wrong to do so
07:25:15.600uh any pushback on that from anybody i guess not okay uh somebody oops hold on these guys in the
07:25:23.680comments it's like actually insane they keep calling you team i'm here i'm here and you're
07:25:28.300not like that just says enough you're in your bed doom scrolling like come on it does says enough
07:25:33.340it does say enough roasted it's funny when the conservative man i'm here they're jealous though
07:25:38.620it's just it's just that one person it makes me laugh for how they're doing scrolling in their
07:25:43.000bad staying up way too late they're all in bed and we're here uh frankie you write women are
07:25:48.580oppressed in the usa why is that or you agree with the statements anyways
07:25:52.240i would agree with it because the propaganda that controls women and that we have to live by
07:26:04.560is quite oppressive like yeah like what like for instance like social media i feel like we're just
07:26:12.920so tied to social media in a certain way and it's just kind of like we're kind of groomed into well
07:26:18.280I want to just say social media there's a lot of things that from the beginning of when we're born
07:26:22.080we're just kind of groomed into that we have to do for instance uh okay for instance like you saying
07:26:29.440that if um you invite a woman over and you sleep with her and she does your laundry like why is it
07:26:35.880that has to be laundry like would you expect a man to do something like that for you I'm not gay so
07:26:40.620So, no, but I'm just saying, like, it's just, like, the types of things that you would think for a woman to do something for you that's kind.
07:26:46.980You wouldn't expect a man to do something like that.
07:26:48.700But women expect men to do things for them.
07:26:51.660Well, not only that, but hearkening back to the original point I made before, when it comes to social media, they're injecting insecurities in you so that way you could wear a ton of makeup.
07:26:58.580Go on to OnlyFans now because they market it as, like, just a social media influencer program.
07:27:03.220It's like if we're being degraded, it's by the things that men are warning us against.
07:31:55.360are men uh especially those that are seeing combat are men so while women whether they're
07:32:04.760soldiers or civilians while there are women who are going to have uh negative outcomes during
07:32:10.600wartime uh there's more men who face negative outcomes than do women i do want to say i feel
07:32:19.340okay like maybe this is controversial but i feel like innocent civilians dying during war
07:32:23.080is a worse scenario than um soldiers dying during war right i think we can agree with that yeah even
07:32:28.300granting that you would still assume like chill the okay so of the children who died out the
07:32:33.400gender split would be equal there if the civilian split is equal then yeah well i don't know if like
07:32:38.860the it depends on the conflict um so in like the in large scale wars like world war ii world war
07:32:48.080one where like vast swaths of the eligible male soldiers were uh were a lot of them were soldiers
07:32:55.940then a higher proportion then yes a higher proportion of uh yeah we're not responding
07:33:01.540to this okay a higher proportion of uh the civilian population adult civilian population
07:33:07.560will be female but even then it's like okay so like how many women how about this and more
07:33:14.600If female civilians died, then in that case, women are affected worse in that conflict.
07:33:17.260And then it would be like, okay, it is the case if, like, let's say, if it is your country that is being bombed, then the civilian women are facing issues there.
07:33:28.700But take the United States, for example. There's no way in hell during World War II or World War I that you could ever say that, at least for Americans, that women, it's ever comparable.
07:33:44.380It could ever be comparable between women and men who are Americans because aside from Pearl Harbor, there wasn't an invasion of the United States.
07:33:56.440There wasn't bombing campaigns of American cities.
07:34:00.500Women were not in the trenches during World War I, American women.
07:34:05.180World War II, women were not on the battlefield fighting the Nazis.
07:38:59.600Let's say the satanic, pedophilic elites who drink baby's blood are the ones that are doing this.
07:39:03.740So just to be clear, all warfare throughout human history has been – it hasn't been for, like, various geopolitical reasons or, like, land disputes.
07:39:12.060Especially during the 20th century, no.
07:39:13.980I think it's all been a bank-promoted conspiracy to basically promote the central bank.
07:39:16.760Okay, so, like, if we go back to the 1500s when France and England were warring with each other.
07:45:53.080So there's plenty of cases where women are basically being that way.
07:45:56.900In fact, I would say that that's average.
07:45:59.440Yeah, well, there's a couple differences here.
07:46:00.860First off, so there's an expectation on men to be willing to, even if I grant that it's really unlikely that for most relationships or marriages,
07:46:10.860that there's ever going to be some sort of crazy scenario where one or the other person has to die
07:46:16.180or the man has to be willing to sacrifice himself, a man's unwillingness to do so,
07:46:20.940like a man who's a coward, a man who wouldn't be willing to sacrifice himself,
07:46:25.960will be really harshly and negatively assessed by women to the point that I think a lot of women,
07:46:31.700if they were aware of this, like most men are probably not going to disclose this,
07:46:36.620even if it's the case, uh, it's a major turnoff for most women. Oh, he's a coward. He's a coward.
07:46:43.300No, I don't want to date a coward. Like massive ick for women. If the guy's a bitch or a pussy
07:46:49.100or whatever, huge, huge. Right. So even, and sometimes women will say, well, I'd be willing
07:46:55.000to die for him. It's different though, because there isn't a, there isn't a social expectation
07:46:59.740on you. There isn't a relationship, relational expectation on women to do this. And even if
07:47:05.100the woman was like uh oh my god if if there was a home intruder i'd just like run and like hide
07:47:10.700under the bed like the man wouldn't lose attraction for the woman doing that um it wouldn't he wouldn't
07:47:17.140lose attraction for whereas like a man said that oh i'm just gonna hide under the bed and hope they
07:47:22.560don't find us like a woman's gonna have a massive ick it's probably the end of the relationship
07:47:27.760absolutely and like for example if uh you're out with your boyfriend and he loses in a fight or
07:47:32.800something very hype it's not like the circumstances are going to matter in this um a woman's like
07:47:40.240going to lose attraction for a guy if she sees him get sparked up in the street fight she's going
07:47:44.760to lose she she sees him doing the fencing position he's fucking knocked out she's that
07:47:51.000relationship might as well be not necessarily let's just say there's a there's a uh a time
07:47:55.940limit on that relationship now if a woman's seen her boyfriend get knocked out it's over within
07:48:00.700six months not necessarily because let's just say if he's not in all instances but go ahead
07:48:04.360if he's fighting someone let's just say because this other man disrespected me in his fighting
07:48:09.160this other man let's just say this other man knocks him out yeah i would consider still my
07:48:13.400man that he's a really strong man even though because he's defending me yeah you know if a man
07:48:18.760gets knocked out typically that'll also prompt in some women a nurturing complex where they want to
07:48:23.140take care of the man who's down and out absolutely they won't like the man who's aggressive he was
07:48:27.120trying to protect me or taking care of me so i mean i disagree totally with what you said because
07:48:32.000for me it will actually it will still be in that get brain damage for your girlfriend um brian
07:48:38.060would you say you met the woman of your dreams you have seven kids you're all sleeping in a house
07:48:42.440there's an armed robbery that comes on you grab your gun would you go out there and and take on
07:48:46.540those people so the the threat is directed at me your family and my children so yes my family in
07:48:53.200totality so you would lay your life down uh well so i i would but i mean if i was living alone in
07:48:59.880the house i would also take steps to uh protect myself so it's like i would do it anyways but um
07:49:08.160i guess this is more so of a hypothetical scenario maybe i should paint it differently like uh like
07:49:14.520i don't know if somebody has to take the bullet or whatever you got the girl in the guest bedroom
07:49:18.400because it is a massive like if a guy is shivering under a bed while there's an arm
07:49:23.400robbering or letting me like deal with it that's a nick like you know right it's a nick but it's
07:49:27.320like so i guess ultimately though um how about this though in a scenario where um somebody has
07:49:33.940to die somebody has to die what the fuck dollar maxing that's funny uh so how about this uh there
07:49:43.600is a boat. You're on a boat with your wife and there's only one life preserver. And in the
07:49:49.760scenario, the life preserver is necessary to survive. There is no loopholes. You can't hang
07:49:58.100on to her. You can't swim indefinitely. Whoever gets the life preserver lives. Whoever doesn't
07:50:05.540get it dies. No loopholes. Who should get the life preserver? So you're on a boat with just
07:50:11.180your wife the woman the woman who should get the life preserver the woman sorry i kind of zoned out
07:50:17.340for a second is there any children involved in this scenario no just man and a woman but you're
07:50:21.900married or boyfriend i think the man probably has a higher chance of being able to like swim in the
07:50:25.780water and survive it's granted that in the hypothetical only one person can survive there
07:50:31.240are no loopholes to well he'll just he'll just tread water for three hours no whoever has a
07:50:37.240life preserver there's only one only one person can survive who gets the life preserver am i in
07:50:43.100this relationship yes it's you and your boyfriend in a boat i'll like okay the same way i said i
07:50:49.240would want my man to like lay down his life for me i'd be willing to do it for him so i would be
07:50:53.600willing to give it to him okay so you would do it in that scenario okay you said the man should do
07:50:58.400it i'd give it you'd give it to the man okay the woman should take the preserver okay the woman
07:51:06.320to take are we talking about titanic yeah i'm i'm thinking i'm like they did in the titanic
07:51:10.680sort of okay and i have to choose between me and my partner yeah he can have it okay what about you
07:51:19.300yeah if it's between me and my partner it'd be easy for me i think for me to say you can take
07:51:23.940oh sorry you can take it he can take it okay but if he actually took it would you be like
07:51:29.080Yeah, I'd be like, dang, that's kind of messed up.
08:30:44.880It's just something that should be communicated so that people aren't, I'm not out getting kicked out, and then the man's not pissed because he's not getting ass.
08:52:30.800By the way, prescriptively, I would say, even though I say I would understand it, men, if a woman slaps you, extricate yourself from the situation.
08:52:40.540Even though I think you would actually be legally justified slapping her back, I guess.
08:52:44.860And morally justified to slap her back
08:55:10.560because it showed that they weren't trying sorry if the bullet holes were in their back
08:55:13.920oh in the back if the bullet holes are in the back of a uh intruder you will be sent to jail
08:55:20.580in the state of california there's no castle doctrine no i'm pretty sure there's castle
08:55:24.040doctrine no california you don't have a duty to retreat i believe in california you do i mean
08:55:28.840look it up of course okay okay i'll say i will say the only thing i would um except from what
08:55:34.440i'm saying is like if she is pointing a gun at you or she has like a deadly weapon does california
08:55:39.360have castle doctrine but how are you gonna slap a woman with a gun in her hand it's like that's
08:55:44.740completely uneven you gotta use gotta slap you gotta use an equal amount of force for it to be
08:55:50.920okay what happened you gotta use an equal amount of force for it to be okay that's just not an
08:55:54.680equal it's kind of yeah so california does have castle doctrine but it's it's limited uh it says
08:56:02.980you have the you have the right to use force including deadly force inside your home if
08:56:07.180someone unlawfully and forcibly enters and you reasonably believe they pose an imminent threat
08:56:11.920of death or serious bodily harm there is a legal presumption in your favor if an intruder breaks
08:56:17.580into your home the the law generally assumes your fear was reasonable uh it applying it does apply
08:56:23.840mainly to your residence not to your car workplace or public spaces okay that's crazy uh the force
08:56:29.920used must still be reasonable under the circumstances it doesn't give unlimited okay stand
08:56:34.940your ground okay that's i might have been wrong might have been wrong on the stand your ground
08:56:40.800uh thing then but anyway i don't think it was wrong for me to have stayed with that guy there's
08:56:45.800no explicit duty to retreat if you're somewhere you're legally allowed to be however self-defense
08:56:52.160still hinges on reasonableness and necessity so anyways uh okay next topic then uh let me blast
08:56:57.560through these uh dude let's see oh yeah i need to do that um okay uh the boyfriend strangled you
08:57:06.600you got a guy banned from wing stop after give us the quick story um he'd had a crush on me for
08:57:13.580eight years i eventually agreed to go on a date with him i did and then he started showing up at
08:57:21.260my work all the time um he brought like his family in to meet me just like he was a little
08:57:27.460bit delusional and my sister priest to marry you my sister was the manager she was my boss and so
08:57:33.220i i told her about it as a joke and she was like send me his number and a picture of him
08:57:39.140and i was like okay just kind of as my sister but apparently as my boss she went to the
08:57:45.180district manager got him banned oh goodness okay uh you dated a guy named goose
08:57:50.320this fuck this freaking guy he genuinely had this delusion that he was the only real person in the
08:58:00.080world like he real we're in a simulation real honestly um how are you supposed to be in a
08:58:06.880relationship like i i want to say that but he wasn't diagnosed so like whatever if you have
08:58:12.160like no concept sorry i gotta move it on hannah um you got excommunicated from the lds church why
08:58:16.960is that i did uh because in high school i was being intimate with my high school boyfriend but
08:58:22.760that is not like on par for mormon culture at all that was like a very very weird like extreme
08:58:29.680uh i think i'll be right back like was he also mormon no no but the bishop at the time was like
08:58:39.820a high school teacher and i don't the whole thing was weird that's not normal it takes a lot in lds
08:58:46.380culture to get excommunicated so it wasn't even it wasn't the fact that i was excommunicated it was
08:58:51.040what was more hurtful was the things that people said or assumed because i was like people had
08:58:57.720like made assumptions that i potentially was pregnant and had an abortion or things where i
08:59:01.960was like i would never have like sarah stock stuff how they're like okay she cheated so she must have
08:59:06.340an abortion or something yeah exactly where it just that was never the case but that's the thing
08:59:11.940about those type of communities and i found it interesting when you said like oh you don't know
08:59:15.100what reality is anymore and christianity and all of that jazz yeah it's like when you leave a high
08:59:19.460thought control group not only does it make you super dependent on like the people around you but
08:59:24.840you you don't feel real anymore you're just kind of like grasping at straws um but yeah i'm like
08:59:31.720it's it's hard i was as i mentioned before i was raised jehovah's witness so i sympathize with
08:59:36.200year they do excommunicate you if you end up really oh 100 they'll excommunicate you over
08:59:41.060any little thing really um 100 um no in mormon church it's very hard to get your name i know
08:59:47.560that's why they're very nice huh yeah mormons are very yeah they actually typically they they
08:59:51.840really are they're my city of temeca there's like 20 percent mormon it's like it's like a little
08:59:55.240utah it's part of the culture the mormon culture they kind of recruit you yeah they're always
08:59:59.440smiling and stuff i mean it kind of works yeah i know honestly i got re-baptized though no but
09:00:05.160That's the thing, to go back to the whole like Christian subject since it was broached before, like the reason people say Mormons aren't Christians, what's your concept of the Trinity in Mormonism again?
09:00:30.120I had the same struggle with the Jehovah's Witnesses where I'm like, but it's Christian, it's Bible-based, but it's like they believe that Christ is not God, so it's not Christian.
09:00:37.780But that's the thing, when you pervert it, immediately you start to see these bigger issues that come into play within those kind of high thought control groups.
09:00:44.200They have to be high thought control to keep you in because it doesn't actually make sense when you're still within it, basically.
09:00:49.540Wait, so what would it be then if it is the Church of Jesus Christ?
09:00:53.060Well, when it comes to, I mean, I know what they call it.
09:00:58.440But when it comes to, like, the Mormons, I don't know what heresies they were based off of.
09:01:03.280I know that they had, like, the belief that, you know, America is, like, Egypt, and, like, the whole Garden of Eden, I think, is in Florida.
09:01:20.020And they also believed in, like, modern-day revelation, which is not, like, typically a Christian thing to have somebody, you know, interpret it.
09:01:28.0201800s and however it'd be like, I have received word from God.
09:01:32.420Honestly, I would argue when it comes to modern dating, it was ruined in the 1800s by these
09:01:51.680Didn't you say before you don't think that men should pay alimony?
09:01:55.940So you maybe saw an episode where there, I think it was last weekend, a woman was on the show and she had been married to this guy for 10 years, 10 plus years.
09:02:07.100And then she had been split from him for 10 plus years.
09:02:30.340Usually they do alimony, like I was married for eight years.
09:02:33.400They'll typically do at least like half, like four years.
09:02:36.920My understanding, though, and it obviously varies by state, is in California and perhaps other states, once you get past 10 years, you can get into lifetime alimony.
09:02:48.040so and with that can i also add i had a friend who when i was living here his wife cheated on him
09:02:54.080with the literal pool boy literally and he like was like i'm gonna kick her out he took her in
09:03:00.000even he's like i don't want to kick her out like she's got nothing she's got nowhere to go so he
09:03:03.820ends up raising this kid that's not his for two years and he knew it wasn't his because he had
09:03:07.460gotten fixed and they'd gotten it tested and stuff and um then they broke up and because she just
09:03:13.700wouldn't stop cheating on him and then california stuck him with the child support bill because
09:03:18.220two or more years if you're raising someone's kid in california you are stuck with the child
09:03:23.120support bill wait so it's not his kid not his kid they let him know he thought it was but he
09:03:28.120committed he committed to raising that kid at that point so i'm like but she didn't wait just
09:03:32.400to be clear she tricked him she cheated on him with a pool boy they had a pool a literal pool
09:03:37.820boy and he was like being a nicer person he didn't want to kick her out he'd like you know
09:03:42.760because she was pregnant. That was his wife. He was stupid. Two years later, she continued to cheat.
09:03:47.720He said, get out of here. And then she took him to court, $5,000 a month he had to pay. And then
09:03:52.460they let him move to another state. So he didn't get to see this kid either. Well, this is definitely
09:03:57.200something that happens. So even if the kid's not biologically yours, but you are bamboozled and
09:04:04.980the woman cheated and you were acting as if you were the father, then yeah, you can be on the hook
09:04:11.320for child support for a kid that isn't even yours that is ridiculous um i don't think that that
09:04:19.140should be the case they have to change the laws uh child support laws are very anti uh male at
09:04:26.160least in that regard um that was in california okay but alimony um i think you could maybe make
09:04:32.920an argument that like if the woman uh gave up her career i feel like i did that like i like how my
09:04:40.500next husband get through special forces and like I did all my nursing prereqs with kids and I was
09:04:45.120like okay it's not realistic to have a husband that is gone all the time in trainings and then
09:04:50.040I like I want to be at home with my kids so I definitely feel like I put myself on the back
09:04:55.260burner to support him and then I felt like in the end it did screw me over a little bit a lot of it
09:05:00.500yeah I mean I think that there's some compelling arguments as to alimony but there should be a
09:05:07.500limited scope of it i agree so i don't think in any scenario stepping stone to help them yeah i
09:05:13.400i don't think like i three three years ought to be the max like i don't i i don't see beyond three
09:05:22.340years okay you've been separated for this amount of time i can't understand a reason why you need
09:05:28.600to have some perpetual financial obligation to a woman like should i should should men get like
09:05:36.060one blow job a month from her no because it's forever oh we've been but hold on as a man it's
09:05:43.540you know once i'm in my 40s it's harder for me to get blow jobs you know it's harder to date as a
09:05:50.340man once you're older and i i don't have as much access to bjs you know so maybe once a month you
09:05:57.080know she could give a blowy well no because i think if you've been married let's say like 10
09:06:00.98015 years you're developing like a skill set as a man or you're getting education so like you're
09:06:05.940able to make significantly more money so i think to just be like okay well you just put 15 years
09:06:12.600of your life or however long i'm just saying you know on the side but this is now i'm gonna give
09:06:17.900you three years to make up for that i think three years is totally fine that should be enough for
09:06:21.540somebody to get back on their feet but um this assumes that all women who get married are genius
09:06:28.400iq women that that had they not gotten married they would have invented a bill they would have
09:06:34.500had a billion dollar idea and they would have been the CEO of the company or could it be that
09:06:41.420a woman was a waitress when you met her and her life circumstances probably would not have changed
09:06:47.340substantially had you not married her from my perspective this woman if you've been married
09:06:51.960to her for 10 years who was a waitress when you met her she actually her life circumstances have
09:06:58.620she didn't have to pay rent for the entire time that seems like quite quite a uh privilege quite
09:07:06.420the benefit that she received she didn't have to pay for anything during this entire time
09:07:10.200well she can go right back to being a waitress where she like she can go right back to doing
09:07:16.860what she was doing or say she's a hairdresser okay you didn't do hair okay you didn't do
09:07:22.380hairdressing here's three years of alimony should you get 20 years of alimony that's ridiculous
09:07:27.980Well, to reverse engineer the argument, I mean, the same can be said for women who delay settling down in their 20s and then want to settle down in their 30s or 40s, where it's like you don't have pity or remorse for a woman who can't get a good man at that age.
09:07:39.540Likewise, if a man ends up throwing away a marriage, as happened in Hannah's case, it's like, well, he doesn't get pity or sympathy for having thrown away something where she invested her youth into him, she committed to him, and he wanted to just find something else, basically.