MELTDOWN？! Heated Debate w⧸ Feminist! Men Must WORSHIP Women？! She IS The Table？! ｜ Dating Talk #225
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In this episode of Whatever Happened, we have our first guest on the Whatever channel, Natasha Alhandi-Shaw! Natasha is a personal trainer and a cheerleader from Los Angeles, CA. She grew up in La Mirada, CA and graduated with a Bachelor's degree in Media and Communication from the University of California, Los Angeles with a minor in Journalism and Mass Communications.
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the views of the whatever channel with that said without further ado we're going to have the guests
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introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location occupation education go ahead
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my name is natasha alhandi shaw i'm 30 from woodier in los angeles california i'm a personal trainer
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and a la clippers girl and i have a bachelor's in classical music uh child development and education
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triple major okay and uh you you're from la right like you grew up there border of la and oc in
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whittier okay la clippers girl so you like cheerleading okay or is it dance squad or i don't know it's like a
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hype crew so you're like getting the crowd excited passing out t-shirts i did it for the la kings for
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five years i do it for the clippers this is my third season do you have pom-poms no we do okay
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all right so there's it's the what is it called clippers what la clippers girl girl that's your
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what if you had to put it on a resume what do you put on the resume like a hype squad hype yeah squad
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girl you just put hype squad hype squad yeah hype squad is that it's different from cheerleaders like
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they have cheerleaders they have like a dance team they have like a kids dance team they have a drum
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line and then they have like the crew that gets everyone excited all right cool what about you
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my name is trinidad i'm 32 i'm from the virgin islands but i live here in la now almost like 10
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years now okay um i act and i do music all right and uh any college or anything like that i graduated
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it's been so long but i graduated um with a ba in broadcast and media journalistic writing with a
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minor in photography and psychology for like child development which university it was evergreen state
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college in uh washington state is that the ever is that the same evergreen brett weinstone yeah i think
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it is college yeah oh okay they're pretty woke over there hey they're pretty uh liberal yes very
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liberal it was like eighth in the nation for liberal arts school when i went there and uh you said you're a
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musician are you like do you sing you rap what do you do i sing i rap i write i do reference tracks
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for people all right yeah and you have like a pretty interesting piercing can you show it
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that into this camera right here wow okay nice cool was it painful or no and so you rap you sing we're
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we're gonna need some bars try give us give us something like you're gonna find a good instrumental for
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for when these occasions arise brian i'm not going to get it demonetized what's that you need to find
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a good instrumental oh yeah like a royalty free yes uh how about drop us uh like a rap or something
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like can you just acapella i mean yeah i could freestyle and i could i'm like i did my mind just
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go so fast and stuff because like i started thinking of my song i was about to start advertising like
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go check out my song what's it called what you know what should we pull it up yeah pull it up
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can we pull it up is that cool yeah that's fine it's called running up racks i'll find it what's
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going running running up right what does that mean if you had to explain it to an australian
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like it means like get into the money like stacking it up running up right yeah running up rex okay
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and then what is a rack is it a thousand dollars yeah i thought it was running up what's a band it's
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the same band yeah and the g is also a thousand yeah there's a lot of yeah that's why you gotta
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stack them up you know run them up okay uh i'm gonna search for your music video but i'm gonna
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while we're doing that we'll have you introduce yourself go ahead hello everybody my name is bna also
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known as fifth dimension princess i'm 27 years old from los angeles and i'm a personal assistant
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and i also do music i'm a rapper and a singer okay oh you also have you guys collaborated before
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any college or anything yes i went to ucsb and i got a bachelor's in global studies
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okay nice do you also do freestyling no i usually write oh so we couldn't get a rap battle
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wait sorry i missed this uh age again i'm 27 27 okay and you you're you go by fifth dimension
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princess yes you skipped to the fourth dimension yes went right to the fifth dimension what so what's the
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backstory of the name fifth dimension princess yeah so i've always kind of like went by princess
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like my username used to be 310 princess that's where i was from like that's my area code and then i
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grew up and kind of really got into spirituality and just decided that fifth dimension kind of went
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better for me so just went with it have you have you been to the fifth dimension always always okay
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and do uh have you been to the fourth yes now is there a sixth dimension there's nine i hear there's
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nine why did you why you stop at five why not go to the ninth it's just the one that's the one
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yeah and you're the fifth dimension princess yes do you have like um any
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like powers because of the royalty because you're a princess in the fifth dimension like do you have
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territory yeah the whole fifth dimension the whole fifth dimension but isn't there like a king and queen
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or did they die like your parents they're my parents because you're the princess so your parents are
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the king and the queen um i just it's got more of a name um oh sorry i'm like thinking i'm like way
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too okay there's not like a whole like family lineage or anything like can you can you drop a bar
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bars i found love with you in the metaverse i could hold your glocky on in my fendi purse
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wait the glock in the metaverse will be held in the fendi purse okay all right that was good i
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liked it yeah i liked it um you must be their agent me yeah the agent for yourself i wish wait um going
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to you it's trendad right yes i geeked or do you that that is one of them but it was running i said
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running up racks running up racks we shouldn't okay i'll look you could do either one though but in
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geeks i'm gonna be the second verse for that one i i collab with my friend on that one sure um here
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we'll come to that in a sec what uh no hold on hold on hold on go ahead i thought that was for me
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i'm like wait i'm not a rapper um my name is callie with a k i'm from new york um what part uh spanish
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harlem okay i'm 100 years old no i'm 35 and i went to thank you i went to art school
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in new york nyu okay how long you've been in california uh six years now six years okay all
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right and you said you went to art school okay any like uh did you get a bachelor's is it the same
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yeah like in arts or painting or uh it was mostly film school film school okay very cool what about
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you my name is jill i live in pennsylvania i'm 25 and i for work i am self-employed with a startup
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coffee truck business that i have and i went to school for business bachelor's all right very cool
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um i'm malena i'm 22 i'm a personal training trainer um a reiki master and i make indie music
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all right any college um for personal training yeah okay and uh reiki reiki uh can you demonstrate
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something um like can you do it on the mic certain symbols i could show you like one of the symbols
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to like activate it you're supposed to do choku rei which is like is that like a sex act or something
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and then you do choku rei again and that's supposed to like activate it and start it and then you
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you what do you do um it's like in the air and then you would start i usually start with like
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forehead and then i go from like one hand on the forehead and then focus on each chakra so it's
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you're not actually touching them you're you're above them um most of the time above them sometimes
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i'll touch them but only like below the knees because i find it helpful to like if you're not
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touching them you have to like make any noises or what do you have to do um you're just like hovering
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above and um when you're on like the receiving end of it usually it feels like kind of hot and tingly
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yeah and they're not touching you nope okay yeah interesting
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is the audio muted oh i don't know why it's not true um sorry metro matt i don't know why i didn't
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trigger but that's a dude but you sent it in five minutes ago so i don't
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i don't know why it's not that didn't trigger i'll fix it um
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okay darkavia go ahead um my name is darkavia i'm 23 i'm a babysitter and i don't go to school
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all right jake what about you good to be back jake 29 years old still a rolling stone uh have a
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youtube channel rattlesnake tv podcast the reality-based podcast travel channel rattlesnake
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travel we've just today released a video of me shooting guns at andrew's farm which you guys might
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enjoy and andrew and i have a show coming out called not one step back so keep your eye out for
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it very cool very cool all right uh that's everybody's uh intro we're gonna get everybody's
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relationship status here so what's your current relationship status if you're single how long have
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you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead
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i am single i have always been single i've dated in college and after but never an official
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relationship so the whole time you've never had a relationship uh what's the longest period of time
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that you've seen a guy the same guy like off and on for like a year and a half almost two
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okay um how many times was it off and on too many like more than 10 no uh like probably four four
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times total and how long were the breaks typically would they vary in length yeah uh the first one
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maybe like two months and then maybe less than that each time but still like substantial breaks and
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so when you said it was between a year and a half and two years was that uh like two calendar
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years or are you saying like in total that's how long okay yeah got it okay so this was maybe over
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the course of three years then no uh like december all the way around and then back to an october
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so almost two years okay and when it was off who would initiate that um both the first time him but
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sometimes me sometimes him okay uh and then who would be the one reaching back out trying to get
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it back on always him okay and uh i guess when you've been single your entire life uh did you call
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this guy your boyfriend no and you've never called anybody your boyfriend no okay have you been proposed
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too no have uh have you said i love you to anybody no has anybody said i love you to you yes okay the
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guy several times yes the two-year guy or whatever okay yeah many multiple multiple men have said i love
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you yes like seriously though like they say it seriously in a serious sense yeah okay and then how do you
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respond uncomfortably give them the thanks babe no like thank you for sharing that with me you give
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them the thanks babe yeah i called it thank you thanks yeah and then at that point i usually do end
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it because if i'm not feeling it i'm not going to say it but i also don't want to lead them on to think
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that i think at that point you would know if you're almost there or if you're never going to be there
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and i know that i'm never going to be there with those people with those people okay uh when's the last time
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you've been i guess not in a relationship but involved with a man in a romantic or sexual sense
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uh probably like two three months two three months ago yeah okay got it all right what about you
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can you ask the questions again relationship status if you're single how long have you been
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single and longest relationship okay so i'm single um for a few years now three years four years yeah
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about yeah which one three to five somewhere around there because like i talked to people
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between time but you know nothing like where it's uh sure yeah longest relationship like three years
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three years yeah ever married no any kids no the three-year relationship who broke up with you
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i did okay and was that the one that ended like four years ago or whatever yeah all right and uh
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uh you're single currently so there's no guys in the picture i mean there's always people in the
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picture but like yeah okay what what do you have in the picture currently a couple guys no no i
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wouldn't say like a roster i'm like i mean i did who but no no no i don't have like a roster i mean
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i got like my favorite people but like what does that mean like someone that trumps like other people so
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like if they're around then they're obviously gonna they get priority yes exactly there's a hierarchy
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yes exactly and how many uh how many total people are there like there's your you've got a main piece
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and some side side hose i don't have no i don't have no means everybody's on the same playing field
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so you said there was a there's like a priority but yeah that's when they're like in like i might
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like some number one side yeah there's not a main though because there's no relation you have to
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have like be in a relationship because like when you have a main it's like you're in that relationship
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with them that's your main and then you're not exclusive right yes exactly yeah exactly okay and uh
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but so is it like of the you know some of these guys that you're in a situationship or just kind of
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talking to is it three guys four guys yeah it depends on where i'm at like if you're in like
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if i'm here yeah like if i'm in la okay so you got hose in different area codes something like that
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so how many la because you're you live in la how many la pieces do you have i don't know maybe like
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three or four three three or four okay uh vegas anything in vegas i'm actually yeah i probably
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have somebody if i went to vegas and i posted like you know a story and it's like i'm here
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somebody's gonna come out the cut like yo i'm here too boom easy new york new york yeah for sure
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for sure miami yes texas uh yeah actually montana no you gotta step it up you are slacking in montana
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what get get with the program okay these are rookie numbers um so okay we got miami how many in miami
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like florida is different miami like one two you're more of like a uh like uh what's it called
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daytona beach gal like you don't fuck with miami no i love miami i love miami like the panhandle it's
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just like um yeah it's just i don't know are you international yes like you got okay
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mexico nothing in mexico i don't have nothing in mexico nothing in mexico no nothing in mexico
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what countries do you have anything in egypt no egyptians no i had i used to i used to
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dubai um two two in dubai yes you gotta keep paris yeah i love paris paris how many in paris just one
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just one what just give us the list because i'm i'm guessing that's so many is it a frenchman in
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paris or uh he arabic way in paris the so they're french arabic i guess because they're egyptian
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moroccan but from paris oh okay do uh do you have what about the the different continents like anybody in
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asia no i don't think no russia well wait this military count they might be in asia like in
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in okinawa or something yeah i think like japan or something like that yeah so that that counts
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they're military so that counts okay uh and um what about antarctica like a research scientist or
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something no but if you know one tell them call i will get you hooked up okay um oh damien let's
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pull up the her rap song we're gonna skip ahead though to the best part oh you didn't find running
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up racks we'll we'll get that going yo just gerald thanks for the gift of 20 whatever memberships
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find the racks okay so when you start running it's no g at the end it's just like the apostrophe
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so that might help but it's it's just uh on her youtube channel just click on the link yeah it is
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on my channel uh oh thank you thank you eric appreciate it man thank you eric uh guys tts is 100
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get it in like the video also what's that oh yeah
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Been single for four years, but you got, you know, you got a couple, you know, some BZs.
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And before that, my longest relationship was four years.
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I think I did, but it was mutual towards the end.
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My longest relationship was, I don't know, maybe four years.
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Wait, did we watch that whole thing and there was no audio?
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We lived together for nine months and then he deployed.
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There was some unfaithfulness and some other things that went on that I was not safe.
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It's Iudid, I think, is the name of the, the, or the location where he was in the base.
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Well, I always, like, mix up the, the, the letters.
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You were married to him and you didn't know about his military career?
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And then he, he was in the reserve, so we only had to do the weekend a month.
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And then he went overseas, um, for nine months.
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Um, but it's been, like, consistent since, like, October.
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And, no, I'm currently not seeing or talking to anyone.
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Yeah, that one, uh, we, I just recently cut that off.
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So you're, uh, you're, what do I put, what do I write down, Jake?
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I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, um, currently.
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Uh, so I need to deal with some very problematic audio issues we're having.
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So we're gonna, uh, Jake, do you have a question?
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And there was a guy there and he is, he's him, right?
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And you have to go into this interview, this audition and sell yourself to make yourself
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Uh, I personally don't like that strategy at all because I, in any normal situation.
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So the hypothetical is that this is what the situation is.
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And this guy is, is everything you've ever wanted.
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But in the hypothetical, you are going to do that.
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So if you had to, in the hypothetical, what would you say?
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I'm like, I feel, I feel Natasha on that because.
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You have to, have to engage with the hypothetical or else it's just, it's just boring.
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I'm, I'm just, I don't think of something, but it's like, I mean, I'm me.
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I probably try to go in with like a performance, um, singing a song, setting the vibe because
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So you think that you, the way that you would sell yourself is, is the vibe?
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But if I, if I heard that, I'd probably think, okay, maybe the vibe's there, but like, who
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Um, I would say I'm really, really kind, sweet and funny.
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I love being able to laugh with somebody and being very respectful overall.
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Uh, I would probably bring some Dominican food to seal the deal.
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But how would you sell yourself though, besides the food?
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I think the food will do all the talking because it's going to be so good.
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He's going to be like, oh, I need this woman in my life because if the, you know what they
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I've seen some grandmas who cook a mean, mean dish.
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Uh, I probably come with like a full resume of everything that I would be able to give
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Uh, I would, I would list things like my beliefs, my core values, uh, what I want in
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my future and, uh, the things that I want to see in my husband.
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And then I would, um, you know, kind of list out how I communicate and how I, um, uh, yeah,
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communicate, resolve conflicts, all those things.
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And what are some of the beliefs and core values that you'd list?
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I, um, believe I want, I would say that I, um, in church, like I want to go to church.
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Um, I want someone who's loyal and trustworthy and, um, well, I would be loyal and trustworthy
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Um, other practical things would be like cooking, cleaning, um, uh, taking care of the housework
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and, and then, um, also, you know, on the communication side, I would, um, you know, respect his space
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I would be sure to, um, communicate if there's something on my end that I don't have, that
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I have an issue with, uh, not just like sulking around and not communicating that.
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Um, I would agree that I think if they're like the right person for me, it would just
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But if hypothetically I had to, I would speak about, um, my accomplishments, like my goals
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long-term in life and definitely, um, the importance of faith for me.
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Um, I wouldn't necessarily call myself Christian cause I also believe in like Buddha and, um,
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As in you believe that he was a man that existed or something beyond that?
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Um, his teachings were also just that he existed, but I also believe in Jesus and, um, the majority
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So do you believe that Buddha is a prophet or what do you, do you believe that Buddha was
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I believe that, um, we're all from the same consciousness.
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So I think, um, that Buddha is similar to Jesus in the sense that it was another prophet.
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That's like, see, like for me in this situation, I'm a dominant.
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So I don't think I would ever try to try to impress a man in a way that I-
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So like having the, giving the, in this scenario that you've given, it gives me saying that
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this man has the lot of the power and it kind of turns me off by this scenario.
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So I would rather be the person in the room with 50 other men and they would have to compete
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So what do you guys think would be the factors that he's looking, can I go around again?
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I mean the, the ideal guy, he's, you know, six foot four, he's handsome.
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Like high value, I think looks different to everybody, but to me it's somebody who's very
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family oriented, somebody who is honest and really considers you in their actions, which
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I think includes like not cheating on you, being considerate of like how you will play
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I think somebody who considers you, that's like the highest form of love.
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If we're compatible, you would have to be giving the same thing that they're giving you.
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Not necessarily your, your perfect guy, but just in like the sort of like the, the
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What, what, what are the particular things that you think he'll be looking for?
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You keep on saying that, but what, what you like, what do you think he's looking for?
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What do you think he's looking for in terms of looks, in terms of values, in terms of
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Uh, somebody that would be like a nurturer, somebody that can bring him like a family life.
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If he is in a position that is like more, uh, traditional, I think that that is what they
00:38:17.740
Um, this is a guy who's really got his shit together.
00:38:19.600
Like, what do you think he's going to, he's a busy guy, very successful.
00:38:23.240
So he's a busy guy or like, he's a, he's a busy guy, successful on his grind.
00:38:32.000
Cause if you're busy, usually you don't have a lot of time to like, you know, like someone
00:38:36.580
that's good at communicating because also if you're busy, you need someone that's like,
00:38:41.020
you have to be on like the same page with your significant other.
00:38:44.080
Um, maybe someone who's more serious, um, stable, something like that.
00:38:50.100
I think probably somebody feminine and sweet and submissive kind of.
00:38:55.220
Uh, yeah, someone hot, you know, someone that, uh, is going to understand them when they
00:39:06.820
If he's got 50 women in the room, he's probably going to look for the most physically attractive
00:39:11.260
along with the most feminine and the most submissive and the most respectful.
00:39:17.740
I would say someone that would raise his children with faith, um, nurturer, stable,
00:39:25.220
um, which I think is why I'm casually dating right now because I don't think that I'm that
00:39:35.680
Well, you want a guy who believes in Jesus, Buddha and Hinduism, hey?
00:39:43.600
He wants you to kick him in the nuts or something?
00:39:48.500
Um, I, I honestly, I agree with all the women here that I do believe that a genuine,
00:39:53.900
uh, like a genuine men, men at like a whole, all of them want a traditional woman basically
00:40:03.320
Cause they do have more of a mindset that men are the caregivers and then women are the
00:40:13.120
And for like, that's why I just like, I'm just not that.
00:40:17.480
I think, yeah, I mean, what, like the, the kind of guy you're, so you saying that you
00:40:23.260
like to project some sort of dominance by a man, like what kind of a dude would accept
00:40:28.480
That's, that's why it's, um, there's, I have most, I have met men that are like that, but
00:40:34.020
they do, obviously men do have that, you know, very masculine there where they try to overcome
00:40:41.120
So where I've noticed in relationships or try to date that it becomes like in battle,
00:40:46.440
like it's not, it's kind of hard being in relationships with me because I do have that
00:40:52.100
So I think women like you, you just haven't quite realized why you do that yet.
00:40:55.400
And the reason why I'd say that you do that is because it's a wall that you put up and
00:41:01.220
That's what a lot of people believe that I have this wall up or where women have this
00:41:06.920
It's in your nature, every fiber of your being wants a man who's going to be a leader, masculine,
00:41:12.400
So you don't essentially want to dominate a man.
00:41:14.380
You want to, it's a bad strategy if I'll say so, but you're going to put up this front
00:41:18.340
to say, I'm going to give you an attitude and you have to put me in my place.
00:41:21.540
And then eventually if you put me in my place, maybe I'll submit to you.
00:41:24.260
No, that's not, I'm like, I'm willing, like I, I can be very submissive to a man that
00:41:29.000
will understand that like there's boundaries for me as a dom femme, like there is, like I will
00:41:36.160
totally submit to a man, but there's also where you have to be submissive to me as well.
00:41:41.360
Like it has to be like a very understanding arrangement that I would have with a man.
00:41:47.040
In what sense does he have to be submissive to you?
00:41:48.640
I would say that like in the point where it's not, he cannot be controlling in a way,
00:41:53.400
because I know I wouldn't be controlling as a, even as a dominant person.
00:41:58.000
I would just be like when somebody listens, because I would listen to them, it has to
00:42:04.240
Like I cannot go for men that think, oh, I'm the man, I can control you because this is
00:42:10.940
Can you think of any other situations in life where there are two leaders?
00:42:30.280
Occasionally in team sports, you will get multiple captains, but there's still a hierarchy.
00:42:36.000
And then at the, above them though, you've got the coach.
00:42:45.060
Anyways, there's not normally two coaches though, right?
00:42:50.200
There might be a co-captain, but then above them is the coach.
00:42:55.140
I mean, in theory, multiple teams have several coaches.
00:42:58.220
I mean, there's not like a hierarchy of coaches.
00:43:00.860
One of them is the defensive coach, whatever, whatever.
00:43:02.720
But then there's the coach at the top who calls the shots, right?
00:43:10.380
So the reason why we have this is because human beings naturally order themselves into hierarchies.
00:43:17.260
If you want a relationship where you guys are both the boss, essentially, by the way, that just means that you're the boss.
00:43:21.220
Because if you can tell a man when you're going to be submissive and when you're going to be not submissive, that means you're the boss.
00:43:27.280
But yeah, it's just like, it's just like, I just can't, like, I just don't like the mindset that men have where they have to think that they have to be that way with women.
00:43:44.480
I think if a man does it in the proper way, like respectfully and makes you feel safe, then even when you are a super dominant woman, then you can allow yourself to feel submissive.
00:43:55.900
But in general, your personality is more dominant.
00:43:57.760
That doesn't mean that you're now not a dominant person.
00:44:02.020
And I just, I don't mean, like, being dominant by giving attitude or anything like that.
00:44:13.660
But it's also that I just, like, I'm just in that realm, like, I think, like a man, I guess, in a way.
00:44:21.280
But I just don't want to feel like I'm being triumphed over, like, men feel like they have to try to dominate me because that's what men do, basically.
00:44:30.520
I want to have the word in a relationship as well.
00:44:32.240
Yeah, it's something that, like, modern women all have to deal with, this idea that submission is oppression when it's not actually.
00:44:42.680
If you watch The Lion King, is Mufasa an oppressive leader?
00:44:53.020
You've got the, then you've got Scar, who's an evil king, and Mufasa, who's a benevolent king.
00:44:57.580
So if you find a Mufasa, you know, maybe you wouldn't mind being, which is life's name.
00:45:04.180
I'm saying that there is someone out there for me that has the understanding that they're okay with who I am as a woman and how that, and not just because I can't be submissive, I definitely can.
00:45:16.180
In my relationships, I had to pull that role off because they were very dominant, and I did it for a long time.
00:45:23.140
Like, it was really hard for me to be that submissive, in a way.
00:45:28.480
Like, a part of me just felt like I always pretended to be someone I'm not.
00:45:32.240
Yeah, the problem is, though, if you went into a relationship and you were like, look, I'm dominant, I want to dominate you, and he goes, okay, sweet, step on my nuts.
00:45:43.300
I'm submissive in the bedroom, that's for sure.
00:45:46.720
Yeah, so if you wanted to go into that sort of relationship,
00:45:51.520
then you would end up hating him and resenting him.
00:45:56.160
These women, they act like they're all feminist, they want to dominate a man,
00:45:59.740
they want to say, I'm going to be the boss, and then they end up hating him
00:46:02.680
because every fiber of their being wants him to lead them.
00:46:07.700
Oh, that's crazy, yeah, because I've had the two relationships I've always been in,
00:46:10.700
and they try to lead me, and I hated them for it, so.
00:46:17.440
Maybe it's an attitude problem coming into it as well, though,
00:46:19.580
because if you come into it with the mindset of, I'm going to be the boss,
00:46:26.860
then that's the ultimate form of physical submission,
00:46:33.360
If you come into it with that sort of attitude,
00:46:35.420
then there's going to be all sorts of problems.
00:46:38.780
Have you tried coming into it with the attitude of bowing for him at the door,
00:46:44.520
I like Asian men, so I would definitely do that for you.
00:46:59.520
Yeah, I'm going to Seoul, and then I'm going to Japan.
00:47:04.240
I'm actually, I have a custom-made shirt that says,
00:47:07.580
Are you one of those anime girls who likes anime?
00:47:10.540
These women are not only toned police spots, but they clearly do not want no men.
00:47:20.780
Not only do these women not bring anything to a real man,
00:47:38.420
I'm going to get some of these going, hopefully.
00:47:51.180
I see we went to the local mental hospital for panelists again.
00:47:54.300
Thank you for muting that atrocious noise they call music.
00:48:05.380
He didn't even hear it, and he just called it atrocious.
00:48:18.120
Congrats to the Clippers girl for finally hyping up something with fans.
00:48:47.220
Al Udeed is in Qatar and is a vacation compared to a real deployment.
00:49:09.780
And we're waiting on Cheeks here to come in while we're, it's about to fuck it.
00:49:16.020
Shreva, the girl sitting beside Jake, his name, dark labia, question mark.
00:49:23.060
These women are not only tone police thoughts, but they clearly do not want no man.
00:49:29.340
Not only do these women not bring anything to a real man, they are clueless brain.
00:49:37.600
Do you guys want to respond to this accusation?
00:49:50.360
I don't know why the TTS is not coming through properly.
00:49:55.140
I'm just, at least for the time being, unless something comes to mind on how to fix it, I'm
00:50:02.500
And I'll try to read them as soon as they come in.
00:50:06.220
Okay, well, let's get into some of the pre-show notes, unless you wanted to finish up on your
00:50:17.460
There was, oh, we're not going to be able to do reacts either until we get that sorted.
00:50:25.240
Actually, I think the video thing, here, Damien, go to the video.
00:50:32.360
Well, here, just put it on Twitch and then just go to the video tab.
00:50:55.260
Chat, can you let us know if you can hear us on the video tab?
00:51:01.960
Put one in the chat if you guys can hear us on video tab now.
00:51:09.440
One in the chat if it's working on the video tab now.
00:51:21.780
The first, I'm not sure, the first react that I indicated.
00:51:48.680
So, the thing says, POV, you ghost a guy after two dates and get this message.
00:51:58.480
And as you see, she's scrolling, and this guy sent her a novel of freaking paragraphs on paragraphs.
00:52:05.640
So, before I get my take on this, we're going to go around the panel.
00:52:12.300
Can you just one in the chat if you were hearing the audio from the clip?
00:52:20.780
I mean, two dates, the ghosting, the, like, that huge wall of text.
00:52:29.260
Well, I do think ghosting's a bit immature if you're giving somebody your time, and they're expecting or hoping for another date.
00:52:36.100
I think it's just more mature to address it and say that you're not interested.
00:52:38.620
But, in general, if I were to get that after two dates, I would be so icked out because it was not that deep.
00:52:46.500
It could not possibly be that deep in two dates.
00:52:49.120
So, that on its own would be enough not for a third date.
00:52:59.860
Just, and if I did, my response would probably be, I'm not reading all of this.
00:53:13.480
Yeah, definitely projecting something that's in him, not what happened in the two dates.
00:53:22.900
Like, if they were really clicking and stuff, I would, that would make sense for her to ghost him.
00:53:33.040
I also think ghost scenes emotionally immature.
00:53:40.740
But, I think my reaction in that position would probably be the same, like, laughing about it with my friends, which is kind of fucked up.
00:53:59.540
But, the whole, I would kind of just be curious.
00:54:04.100
I would actually call him and be like, yo, what is going on?
00:54:08.240
Because, especially if the messages were negative and he's calling her names, saying, like, oh, you're ghosting me after two dates.
00:54:14.320
Unless he was like, yo, like, what's happening?
00:54:21.340
But, I would definitely give him a call if the first few sentences were polite and he just wanted a, like, response.
00:54:26.400
Like, what did he do wrong or anything like that?
00:54:29.920
Yeah, it's just a very interesting peek behind the veil of what happens if you simp.
00:54:33.740
And, what happens if you send these long, stupid messages.
00:54:38.500
And, he's probably been tricked into thinking that, you know, girls, they like nice guys.
00:54:43.380
And, they want to read this long message from him.
00:54:45.520
But, really, what they're going to do is they're going to show it to their friends and they're going to ridicule you.
00:54:53.680
But, he's doing, like, sending a long message like that, even if he really liked the girl, that's way too extra.
00:55:08.840
I think my bigger criticism, though, like, he's kind of in the wrong for sending, who knows what the content is of that.
00:55:22.400
But, even if he sent that long, crazy message, there's, like, well, there's two things.
00:55:29.860
She went and showed it to her friend group and they were, like, laughing at him.
00:55:34.600
But, not only that, they recorded it and then posted it on TikTok and it went viral.
00:55:49.580
Yeah, he sent you this, like, crazy long text, a little inappropriate, little, like, that's kind of weird.
00:55:56.360
But, man, now he's, it's an even bigger L because they posted on social media.
00:56:02.280
And, I'm curious, like, it seems like women are more inclined to want to, like, resort to reputation destruction
00:56:14.920
Like, while some guys are going to put their, put a girl on blast publicly, women are way more likely
00:56:21.760
and it's way more socially acceptable to put a dude on blast publicly.
00:56:28.460
Do you think it's because women are communicative more?
00:56:31.840
Like, we're designed to talk with each other and we're more socially...
00:56:40.140
Well, and also, like, the way in which men would handle conflicts, there, there would be, like, physical...
00:56:48.040
Like, if, if two men have a conflict, there's an opportunity there for, like, a physical altercation.
00:56:54.840
Women, well, some women can be violent, physically violent.
00:57:00.240
And what women tend to do is they'll resort to reputation destruction.
00:57:04.300
Uh, so, instead of, like, confronting somebody physically, violently, no, I'm just gonna, like, have a grudge for, like, multiple years and ruin their reputation.
00:57:17.000
It's the way they deal with things, I would say more than...
00:57:21.000
No, I was gonna say, I do think that, like, in the context of if your friends know you're dating somebody and that it was done, and then he were to send a long message like that, it's natural to want to share that with the girls.
00:57:32.700
I don't think, no, I was gonna say, I don't think showing them the actual message and, like, making fun of it and laughing is natural, but I, if you're, you know that your friend is dating someone and they're, like, you know, I wasn't really feeling it, and look at, he sent me this really long message, it was a little bit extra, I think that's normal.
00:57:47.660
But, like, blasting him, showing the specific message and, like, laughing at it, I don't think that's kind.
00:57:51.900
Yeah, but it's just to say that Brian's point is that generally men definitely wouldn't do that to another man because we tend to regulate our relationships in the sense that if we cross a certain line, then there's gonna be physical altercations or there's gonna be physical implications for that.
00:58:07.440
And we generally tend to have the same sort of rule with women as well because it's just how we're sort of wired, whereas women don't actually have that boundary in terms of gossip and reputation destruction.
00:58:18.160
So they'll cross those boundaries like we've just seen there, and it's just, they're more likely to do it because they regulate their relationships in a way that doesn't have consequences like that.
00:58:28.300
Yeah, I don't think there's the same consequences. I agree.
00:58:30.380
I think it might have to do with women not being, just ignore it, um, with women not being violent, so maybe it has something to do with, like, feeling a lack of power, and so they go for, like, an emotional hit more often.
00:58:48.320
Yeah, and I also think that, like, I definitely have done this in my earlier years, but now would I say I would do this now? No, but I also think that young women, I think those girls are definitely really young in that video.
00:59:00.380
So, obviously, it's purely jokes, you know what I mean? They don't think of it, the outcome of it, as you do when you're an adult, like, you know what I mean?
00:59:08.400
So, yeah, the repercussions that it does to people's mindset and what it does on their livelihood, reputation, and everything, but I think when women grow, they kind of lean towards not resulting into that, you know what I mean?
00:59:20.840
But I definitely did that in high school, but would I say I would do it now? Absolutely not.
00:59:28.300
And you said, I think going back to what you said, Natasha, you said it's normal for women to, like, communicate those sorts of things, right?
00:59:38.460
Yeah, I don't think, like, specifically blasting, like, what he said or showing the message, I don't think that's nice.
00:59:43.160
But in general, I do think if, like, you know that I'm dating someone, then it would be natural to be like, he went a little bit cuckoo and sent me this really extra message.
00:59:50.980
Something kind of related to that, that I kind of take a problem with when it comes to dating is, and I mean, I don't think all women do this, but it seems pretty common.
01:00:02.140
I guess going around the table, I guess going around the table, I'd like to know, do you, like, let's say you go on a date with a guy, you really like him, maybe you guys hook up, you got your friend group of girls or whatever, next time you see them, or maybe your group text, whatever.
01:00:17.640
Do you guys share details after you hook up with a dude?
01:00:26.540
Penis size, you've never shared penis size, you know?
01:00:29.240
Like, the same thing, like, when I was younger, I might have said something, like, as a joke, but I would never, like, at this point in my life, know that's an intimate thing where somebody's at their most vulnerable, I think that's totally inappropriate, even, like, as a joke, that's disrespectful.
01:00:50.640
I don't, no, okay, so the reason why I don't share details.
01:00:52.700
You shared them in your rap songs, I heard them.
01:01:03.340
I don't know, I couldn't understand if I'm honest.
01:01:06.480
But no, I don't think so, like, well, not that, I know I don't share, like, details like that, but it's because, unless maybe it was bad, and I was just like, oh, it wasn't...
01:01:18.800
I'm not going to get the details on, like, why it was bad, like, oh, it's tiny.
01:01:22.700
No, I'm not going to tell them if it's good, because then when some people ain't really your friends like that, where do they want to go try it?
01:01:28.440
Then now I got to whip your ass and his, and then it's my fault.
01:01:34.060
Well, if he's really good, then why don't you just tell him he was really bad?
01:01:37.340
Well, because then you're going back to what I just said, that I tell him it's bad, and then you just told me to tell him it's good.
01:01:48.900
The nickname Dark Labia equals spicy unhot, so own it.
01:01:54.760
Darkavia's been so mad at me for weeks now, because I'm the one that started that joke on the podcast.
01:02:00.080
Yes, she literally said it, and I, guys, stop, dude.
01:02:11.520
I'm not going to call her it anymore, because I feel like it's mean to make...
01:02:24.740
I feel like the more upset you get, though, the more they're going to point it out.
01:02:29.100
And I'm just going to keep saying it's pink, so...
01:02:33.100
Yeah, I don't really, like, talk about it, but, like, I'm still with my boyfriend, so,
01:02:42.480
Like, do you share, like, if you just, like, first time hooking up with a new guy?
01:02:48.860
Like, one time, it was so small, I had to call my aunt.
01:03:20.340
It was just between me and my auntie, you know.
01:03:22.840
I said she looked like a music producer before.
01:03:34.660
Okay, but, I mean, you've, like, had sex with a guy?
01:03:38.700
Like, when me and my sisters would talk, we didn't talk about that stuff.
01:03:46.440
Um, but definitely I'll share with my friends, like, details about it.
01:03:50.920
The guy I'm currently seeing, um, will make, like, sex tapes, and he wants me to show my friends.
01:03:57.900
But I am not worried about my friends, like, I'm not worried about my friends wanting him
01:04:23.580
I literally want, I wouldn't unless, like, unless one of my friends, let's say I hooked
01:04:29.420
up with someone, and one of, like, associates, someone, was like, hey, yo, I know you, you
01:04:36.440
I was like, if it's cool if I sleep, like, you know, get with him, whatever.
01:04:39.060
And I'm like, yeah, I mean, like, I don't care, but, you know, you got to give him a
01:04:43.440
That's what I would do if they're interested in the person I hooked up with.
01:04:46.440
And then I get, I don't really care if they do it.
01:04:48.400
But if it's someone that I've been taking seriously, no, absolutely not.
01:05:01.180
Uh, maybe it depends on, I've, well, obviously, it goes without saying it depends on the individual,
01:05:08.220
but I would be pretty upset if I was dating a girl and her, like, close friend group knew,
01:05:13.360
like, sexual details about me and I've never even met them.
01:05:17.180
Um, I'd be, I would be, I'd probably dump the chick.
01:05:20.160
I'd be like, because you guys might think, oh, it's not that serious.
01:05:23.280
I'd be like, this is a major breach of like something that's kind of private, intimate.
01:05:28.560
Uh, when it comes to my personal relationships, very private.
01:05:32.080
And it's like, you just don't have that level of respect where it's like, like, I would never
01:05:37.580
with my male friends, I would never go to them and be like, oh yeah, this is, this is
01:05:43.580
the circumference of her vaginal canal, I would never share that kind of details.
01:05:48.260
I wouldn't show them photos if she sent me photos.
01:05:52.780
That's like, for, for respect for her and then our relationship would never share like
01:06:07.640
What if she let you try something new and you were like hyped about it and wanted to
01:06:14.620
That's just the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
01:06:25.540
What if you walked in, but that's a good point though.
01:06:27.140
What if you walked into our house and she took you downstairs and she had like a, a dungeon
01:06:35.440
I mean, it's a little, I don't know if I would date a girl.
01:06:43.180
Did you, wait, did I just, just make that clear or wait, what do you mean?
01:06:50.360
Here, here, I'll, I'll walk you through a scenario.
01:06:54.700
This is a, just an exit, not actually happened.
01:06:58.120
Hook up with a girl last night and then, uh, I'm hanging out with my friends the next day.
01:07:04.260
They're like, oh, Brian, you went on a date with, they probably wouldn't even know I was
01:07:08.420
Oh, you went on a date with, uh, that, whatever, that girl, whatever.
01:07:36.200
And all I want, you know, I'd like a little reciprocation on this from a woman.
01:07:51.660
I think, I don't think we're like sharing details.
01:07:56.880
We might, the conversations could be like, we could be talking about sex in a, as a general
01:08:03.620
concept, but we're not like, yeah, I, I, I fucked Becky and her pussy.
01:08:11.020
There might be like the conversation of, have you guys had sex?
01:08:15.900
It's like, it's not really a conversation you have with your boys.
01:08:18.400
But I think the girls, they get into the weeds.
01:08:21.580
And to be fair, there's probably some guys that do talk like that.
01:08:37.840
When you're younger, and when you're first exploring it, and you're like, you know, with
01:08:41.900
your other teenage friends, which you shouldn't be doing, but we live in a fallen world.
01:08:45.240
But, yeah, at that point, you're like, oh yeah, like this happened.
01:08:48.120
If it's like the first time doing something, tell the boys, you know.
01:08:52.940
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01:08:59.980
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01:09:44.620
All right, let's get into some of the pre-show notes here.
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You describe yourself as a conservative Christian.
01:10:01.240
You subscribe to the belief that men and women have certain roles
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and that when they live in those roles, they are not only fulfilling their purpose,
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You think dating should be taken more seriously than it is in today's age.
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Has that always been the case or is this a new development?
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And then you said, you think men should pursue women
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and then women should contribute to the relationship in their area of gifts and expertise.
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I think women are buying into a lie that they can have it all, the job, the guy, the kids.
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But they're actually hurting society by not having kids at all or waiting until way too late.
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So, I would love to have kids and be married again.
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And, you know, if marriage never presents itself again because it's a very serious thing,
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I still hold it to a highest esteem, then I would love to foster and adopt and, you know,
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be a part of raising the next generation that way.
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Do you wait until marriage when it comes to having sex?
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So, there's a verse in the Bible where it says, don't awaken love until it's time.
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And that is very true when it comes to being intimate with someone.
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And then after we divorced, there was a period of time where it was very hard to become celibate again.
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And it was kind of like a reality check to my beliefs and who I am and what marriage is and how I view men
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and just all of that stuff was kind of coming, crashing down.
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How soon after you got divorced did this other guy come into the picture?
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My divorce process took a year, like almost a year.
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Yeah, because we separated nine months after we got married.
01:12:33.240
How long after meeting guy number two, like, you meet him?
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And then did you, like, was it a one-night stand?
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But it was, like, a one-time thing and then it was done.
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Like, we had a thing, I would call it a situationship, and then we, that happened, and then it was, that was it for me.
01:12:58.780
I'm, this is where I stand, and I can't do this.
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Wait, so, you were, were you dating him for a while?
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And then, like, first date, second date, third date?
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We were seeing each other maybe for a couple months.
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This is a lot of information I don't really feel comfortable sharing.
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I wouldn't even say it was a full thing, I guess.
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These are details I don't really feel comfortable sharing.
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But, like, your future, like, what about, so the next guy, though, he's going to, like,
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But I'm like, did you like the guy before the sex?
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To be honest, I wasn't, like, a super fan of it.
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But then you're like, ah, dang, this guy for three months, I don't really like him.
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It was, it was a, no, it wasn't like that, and it's, I don't want you to boil it down
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to just, like, that moment, because there was a lot of emotions and healing that was
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happening, and so it was just a lot of, like, things that were coming to a head, and in
01:15:24.860
that moment, I realized, that's not who I want to be, and so that's not who I'm going
01:15:45.200
I did explain that, like, I'm sorry, this is not who I am.
01:15:50.940
He was probably more, like, used to hookup culture and things like that.
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Like, there's three months into a relationship, but then there's three months into just, like,
01:16:02.420
Well, how many times, how many dates had you been on?
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Because it's, like, one thing if, you know, maybe you'd been on a couple dates with a girl
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and you hook up, whatever reason, she doesn't, you know, she's not feeling it.
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Then, like, three months in, you have sex once.
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Yeah, and these are not details that I want to focus on, and I don't think it's respectful
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While you do own and run a business, your goal in life is to be married and be a mom.
01:16:51.980
Your business is set up that when you meet that person and settle down, the business takes
01:16:56.300
You want to be the primary caregiver and educator for your children, so homeschool.
01:17:01.160
You also think women need to be submissive and to pick a guy that's worthy of being submitted
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to, and then let him take the lead in the relationship.
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I think that's valid, but then I feel like Andrew has quons with this.
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He'll be like, well, who are you to make the determination what is or is not good leadership?
01:17:30.940
I mean, like, obviously it has to be, you're not going to just date anybody.
01:17:35.120
Like, it has to be the right guy for you, but I don't know.
01:17:42.200
When it comes to a man being worthy to submit it to is someone who shares your values and
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who is, you know, honest and kind and has your best interests at heart.
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So even when you don't agree with him, at the end of the day, he has the final say because
01:17:58.100
you trust that he is making the best decision for you guys.
01:18:01.440
So who here, for the whole panel, she says, look, you might have disagreements, but, and
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you adhere more to a traditional relationship dynamic.
01:18:12.140
If you have a disagreement, somebody has to be the tiebreaker.
01:18:29.220
If it's a, if, if you guys just can't come to an agreement, he gets final say.
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I haven't met a man that I feel obligated or interested in doing that for, but I would love
01:18:43.580
Um, no, because I feel like it's circumstantial.
01:18:49.280
Like if, and under certain circumstances, yes, he can be the one to have the final word
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and stuff, especially if he's more educated or experienced on the matter, you know, but
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if it's something like we have kids and you're telling me what to do with our daughter who's
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going through like her period or something that you'd never dealt with, then obviously,
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no, I'm going to have the final say so on, you know.
01:19:11.660
Do you think that he would care about having the final say on something like that?
01:19:15.280
Because when you say, when you're talking about authority and leadership, generally, if you're
01:19:18.740
the CEO of a company, you defer roles to people.
01:19:23.700
So with something like that, that would just be an obvious thing that it's, it's, it's
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your thing to say about how to, how to deal with a period.
01:19:30.580
Well, sometimes men do feel entitled to that, especially when it's their children.
01:19:38.780
He was ridiculed because he went to the gynecologist with one of his daughters and wanted to know
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if she was still a virgin or something like that.
01:19:47.180
So, and then like in that aspect, do you have a say so as a mother?
01:19:54.140
If he wants to know if his daughter's still a virgin as, as opposed to telling her how
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But I mean, it's still the, it's kind of similar in a sense.
01:20:01.860
Well, I know a father definitely has like, has a say in, in whether or not his, in his
01:20:05.880
daughter's chastity and, and instilling those values in her for sure.
01:20:12.460
Like you could talk to your kids or things like that, like to just go to the gynecologist
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with it, especially like, I don't think she was like under 18 anymore.
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But besides the point, like, I don't care either way, but it's like, you know, some things
01:20:26.220
you guys just don't know about and you shouldn't have the final say.
01:20:29.280
So like, even like with the laws about women's bodies and stuff like that, like abortion
01:20:36.440
Like it's a man who got the final say so on that.
01:20:39.240
So why, why you, so you're, you're of the opinion that a man shouldn't have any say in
01:20:44.840
I never said any say, but I don't think they should have the final say.
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Over the, whether a woman can have an abortion?
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Um, I think it should be like a dual, like agreement, especially if you're in a relationship.
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So then if you're saying that it has to be two people making the decision.
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So if it has to be two people and he says no, then you can't.
01:21:15.020
So then if you say, then you decide, is what you're saying.
01:21:17.640
No, I don't say that I decide, but I would, he was saying that in every situation, if you
01:21:21.360
had to agree with me, no, but we're talking specifically about the abortion situation.
01:21:23.660
So if there's a baby in the stomach and he says no, it's a human being at that point.
01:21:30.060
If then he says no and you say yes, who, who's right?
01:21:36.000
Um, I, I don't really feel like I would return to sender.
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So I would agree with him if he said no, but I do feel like.
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This is, this is the, this is the problem that keeps coming up though.
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So it's like, two people can't make that sort of decision.
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But that's, I think what he was saying is like, if you had to let the man make a decision
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for you or whatever, are you going to give him that?
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I want to see, I want to hear what you have to say.
01:22:09.820
A man can choose to leave a pregnancy and have nothing to do about it.
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A woman leaving a pregnancy that become mean a group decision is insane to me.
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She's the one that's carrying it to term or not.
01:22:23.220
If a man can leave a viable pregnancy because of his desire to leave a pregnancy, then a
01:22:29.780
So men, men should definitely not be entitled to pay any child support then.
01:22:35.580
Wait, if she, if it's her decision to, to, to kill the baby, then.
01:22:56.860
So an embryo, a zygote is very different in terms of a baby.
01:23:05.920
It's the cutoff of when you can have an abortion, when you can hear the heartbeat.
01:23:10.080
So whether or not you think abortion should be or should not be is a separate argument,
01:23:15.000
but I'm saying if a man can leave a pregnancy, a woman should be able to do the same.
01:23:18.280
Just to clarify, your position is that life begins when you can hear a heartbeat.
01:23:24.200
So you should not be able to have an abortion after the heartbeat.
01:23:28.360
100% completely illegal, every state, every part of the world to have a heartbeat.
01:23:33.640
So I think that regardless of if it's legal or illegal, people are going to do it.
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They've been doing it since the beginning of time.
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If I personally got pregnant at any point, I could not have an abortion.
01:23:48.320
So you think that it's more about, it's more about the fact that they can safely kill that baby.
01:23:57.540
I'm saying you can have an abortion up to the point where you can hear a heartbeat.
01:24:00.980
So then after that, you can't have an abortion.
01:24:06.640
In your world, after heartbeat, you can't have an abortion.
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I'm not talking about your specific point of view.
01:24:18.780
I'm talking about in terms of whether it should be illegal.
01:24:21.360
At heartbeat, do you think it should be completely illegal?
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And what is the, like, how did you determine that heartbeat is when life begins?
01:24:31.960
Because when it's an embryo or a petri dish baby or however, you fertilize that egg, it's
01:24:39.420
That is still something that is not a living, breathing person.
01:24:43.440
If we had a scientist here, a biologist who was an expert in this field, the world's
01:24:47.260
foremost expert, what do you think they would tell you about when life begins?
01:24:50.020
I think that besides the fact that a scientist might say that, science is so devalued in
01:24:59.780
society now because men make the decision based on their emotion and not based on science.
01:25:06.480
Do you think that women make this decision based on their emotion?
01:25:10.060
I think if it's something that is inside you that you are going to have to carry to term,
01:25:19.100
So I asked, do you think that women make the decision based on emotion?
01:25:24.660
But can I tell you what the biologist would tell you if they were sitting right here?
01:25:28.860
They would tell you that life begins at conception.
01:25:37.280
So you don't agree with the scientific consensus?
01:25:39.240
I don't agree that there are so many instances where a woman should not have to carry that to
01:25:44.540
There are instances of things that we probably shouldn't talk about on here, but you should
01:25:50.600
Even in that instance, what if it's after the heartbeat that they want to get rid of the
01:25:55.500
I don't think a woman should have to deal with that emotional baggage.
01:25:58.180
So you think that they should be able to kill the child?
01:26:05.780
What if pro-lifers are actually willing to go ahead and grant that in the instances that
01:26:13.100
you were going to mention, essay, incest, so forth, they're like, you know what?
01:26:19.280
But all the other ones where it's just like, I'm not ready, not financially capable, just
01:26:23.900
don't want it, don't want to birth the child, they have to continue with the pregnancy.
01:26:34.240
Like, I personally, if I were to get pregnant in that scenario, I could not get an abortion
01:26:38.780
emotionally, but I don't think that my choice should be for the greater person.
01:26:41.860
So you wouldn't get an abortion in those circumstances?
01:26:45.580
Okay, but legally, you think like other women should?
01:26:47.480
I think in general, we should be pro-choice because it's a woman's body to do with what
01:26:51.900
But what if she wants to do with her body, abort the baby after six months?
01:26:56.240
And you're saying that the man doesn't want to, or just in general, that she shouldn't
01:26:59.540
In general, everybody wants to, everybody's super stoked about it.
01:27:05.180
Okay, so then it's not about whether it's her body.
01:27:15.460
What if they're R-worded, and then it's at six weeks?
01:27:19.460
Just a week after the heartbeat is heard, but the woman was R-worded, yeah?
01:27:33.560
I think in instances that we're not talking about, I don't think a woman should ever have
01:27:39.900
So if you say that it's a life when the heartbeat starts, and you're arguing to take that life
01:27:44.700
after the heartbeat starts, you're arguing for murder?
01:27:46.500
Yes, because they also took something from her.
01:27:49.280
That was not her decision, so that then becomes her choice.
01:27:53.340
Is it emotional baggage to carry the child or to raise the child?
01:27:58.320
Because I don't think that's fair to the child either, because it wasn't their fault.
01:28:02.760
How is it emotional baggage if that's what we're designed to do, is we're designed to
01:28:09.400
Do you know that 100% of babies that are given up at the hospital get adopted?
01:28:18.540
100% of babies who are given up for adoption are adopted.
01:28:26.700
If it was possible to have 100% more, they would also get adopted.
01:28:30.300
But they have a lot of postpartum and like mental...
01:28:35.620
There are thousands of children in the foster system.
01:28:40.280
I said babies that get adopted from birth, from the hospital, 100% of them get adopted.
01:28:44.940
The reason why there are thousands of children in the foster system is because when they get
01:28:47.540
older, it gets harder and harder to adopt them as they get older.
01:28:50.220
But from a baby, they get snapped up straight away.
01:28:59.280
If pregnancy only lasted one day, like you get pregnant and then next 24 hours later, you're
01:29:05.020
popping out a kid, would you be in favor of abortion?
01:29:22.640
If abortion only lasted 24 hours, would you be in favor of allowing women choice in that
01:29:30.440
I still think it's a woman's choice what she does with her body.
01:29:35.540
I know it's a totally hypothetical scenario if like pregnancy lasts one day.
01:29:39.020
The pregnancy length doesn't determine that for me.
01:29:42.380
Well, just curious then, like, so let's say 24 hours before a woman would otherwise give
01:29:47.960
birth to a healthy baby, would you be fine with abortion then?
01:29:53.600
But then after that, you said that if they had been graped and then it was a week after...
01:29:57.100
In the instance of graped, absolutely never do I think a woman should have to be forced to
01:30:03.300
What about if it was a week after and she was having really, really bad depression and
01:30:07.680
like financial issues, life was in complete chaos and she was like, I just want to get...
01:30:15.420
You've just contradicted yourself so many times.
01:30:30.800
But I don't think it's my choice to make that determining factor for anybody else.
01:30:35.200
So then what Brian's just said before, if she wants to abort it, like when it's about to
01:30:40.120
be born, then you have no problem with that because it's her choice.
01:30:47.800
Like you personally wouldn't, but we're trying to get at...
01:30:52.880
Like, should women be able to have an abortion like an hour before they would otherwise give
01:31:03.440
No, but they're not going into labor and they're going, excuse me, I'd actually like
01:31:06.400
I mean, you can laugh about it, but it has happened many, many times actually.
01:31:13.400
It's going to be pretty embarrassing when you find out that they...
01:31:23.140
But would you be in favor of women having the choice to do that?
01:31:32.820
Okay, so they should be legally prevented from having an abortion a day before they would
01:31:47.720
Your argument is actually very, very inconsistent because you're saying at one point,
01:31:51.740
that women shouldn't be able to do it after five weeks, it should be illegal.
01:31:55.900
You've said actually very different things many different times.
01:31:58.820
You can make faces all you want or you can just engage with a logical argument if you'd
01:32:03.600
But you said at five weeks, it should be illegal.
01:32:08.560
And then after that, you said that it should be a woman's choice.
01:32:12.120
I still think in general it should be a woman's choice.
01:32:23.280
I think that like it's more like after five weeks that the heartbeat is formed in her
01:32:28.240
state that like before that, like from that, when it's being, when it was a baby and
01:32:34.940
then from week five, that from that standpoint is where it should be legal for her to sort
01:32:40.060
of a woman to have a choice to have an abortion.
01:32:46.720
Because you might even just miss one period and think that it's late at five weeks.
01:32:55.600
My sister did not find out she's pregnant until she was five months.
01:33:00.220
So I think in the case of grape, I think it doesn't matter.
01:33:05.740
I don't think the time period should know because I think especially if it's like a 12 year
01:33:09.240
old little girl, how the fuck are they supposed to know?
01:33:36.100
And so, but like, what if she's just not ready?
01:33:51.500
Would you rather have a democracy or access to abortions?
01:34:07.380
Would you rather have a democracy or access to abortions?
01:34:23.420
So, like, like, Trump just becomes authoritarian and it's like he becomes king?
01:34:38.220
What I'm saying is, he's like, okay, there's not going to be elections anymore.
01:34:42.220
I've seized control of the government and now it's going to be, like, passed down,
01:35:03.280
Barron can't become president until he's, like, 35.
01:35:13.800
And you, wait, Darkhavia, you picked abortion over democracy?
01:35:34.360
Like, I just want the option on the table, you know what I mean?
01:35:37.460
So, like, and I don't, I don't read the news about Trump and stuff like that.
01:35:56.940
No, and I'm laughing because I was forced to have an abortion and ruined my life.
01:36:03.820
Now people think I'm a lesbian, guys are afraid of me.
01:36:15.560
No, this was recently because I catch a guy getting pegged.
01:36:27.040
Like, this other girl was doing it, and I was like, oh my God.
01:36:48.860
And then final thing on this, we're not going to linger on the conversation too long.
01:37:05.920
Yeah, like, I mean, so basically a deadbeat dad would be a guy who doesn't want to be involved
01:37:10.140
in the child's life, doesn't want to financially support the child.
01:37:18.720
I think it takes two functional parents in the most ideal sense to raise a family.
01:37:23.400
And I think that that happens more often than deadbeat moms.
01:37:27.740
Men walk out on families a lot more often than women do.
01:37:31.240
And I do think that as much as women without healthy father figures, like, to think that
01:37:40.460
Yeah, you said men walk out more on their families.
01:37:44.340
Women initiate 80% of divorces, and they destroy their families.
01:37:47.900
So, I mean, I'm a little confused by where you came to this, like, men walk out on their families.
01:37:52.440
Do you hear a lot of people talking about mommy issues as opposed to people talking about daddy issues?
01:37:56.980
Daddy issues is a lot bigger of an issue that people talk about.
01:37:59.640
Yeah, but if the woman initiates the divorce and prevents an otherwise willing father access
01:38:05.640
to their children, then this would indicate this wouldn't be the fault of the father necessarily.
01:38:10.660
In that one instance, I think in a lot of instances it is the man.
01:38:14.580
Just because a woman initiates the divorce doesn't mean that the woman is initiating the conflict.
01:38:19.360
Well, I'd be prepared to go ahead and grant that.
01:38:30.920
But for women, it's just like, I'm just vaguely unhappy.
01:38:48.080
I think there's no reported abuse, and also I think you're not taking into consideration pre-marital pregnancies.
01:39:00.200
Well, 100% of men are abused, but it's not reported.
01:39:08.840
And yes, Jake makes, raises an excellent argument.
01:39:11.440
In the event of actual abuse, men are more likely than women to not report it.
01:39:17.020
Are you taking into consideration pre-marital pregnancies, though?
01:39:21.240
Because I think in that situation, it's definitely men walking out more.
01:39:28.140
Do you think that there's more men walking out or more women having abortions?
01:39:35.460
I think that it would definitely be, because you get about a million a year in America.
01:39:38.340
I don't think there's a million men a year walking out on pregnancy.
01:39:40.560
Yeah, but if people, if we would have a, that rate would be a lot different if we weren't
01:39:45.400
I think that if the nuclear family was intact and we had any morals in our society, then
01:39:52.220
I was going to exactly say that, that I think that the nuclear family doesn't really exist
01:40:00.720
And most households aren't a two-parent healthy household to begin with.
01:40:19.760
I think there's probably more to the situation that, of the reason why they're maybe out of
01:40:27.320
I think you can still make a beautiful child with a deadbeat dad and for them to be not involved
01:40:34.520
But I do think there needs to be more percussions and laws around child support, because I think
01:40:41.340
it's very, it's so easy to get away with not paying it.
01:40:52.320
You guys can say that, but there's a robust legal system.
01:41:00.700
So they can go to the court or they can go to the, there's a specific government agency.
01:41:05.320
I, it's evading me exactly, but it's like child services or something.
01:41:10.220
So you cannot go to them or you can go to court.
01:41:14.180
You have to go through so much, so much in the court system to even get to that point.
01:41:23.800
Who here has attempted to get child support from anybody?
01:41:26.600
Or we were the children that needed to be supported.
01:41:38.080
It took her about like three years and my, it was from me and my twin sister.
01:41:41.920
And so what, what was, what, what tell us exactly what happened in the court system?
01:41:47.840
What, I know I was, when it happened, I was really young, but like, I, yeah, I think that's
01:41:53.560
like the whole application and then they have to find out where they live or some stuff like
01:41:57.360
And they have to get their current address, especially it's a lot harder when the parent,
01:42:00.960
when the person that left woman or dad, whatever.
01:42:04.500
It's also harder when they live in a different state and getting ahold of them and such and
01:42:08.800
So like, that's, I feel like that's how my dad got away with it.
01:42:11.920
Because he moved around a lot to stay away from it.
01:42:16.080
He moved to New Mexico and they weren't able to track him down until a year ago when he
01:42:22.200
moved back to Arizona and got a job that he was paying taxes on.
01:42:28.840
A job that's not like easily traceable is harder to find.
01:42:32.660
My parents had like a 32 court of parents custody battle over me.
01:42:49.180
My mom wanted to give him partial custody, but she wanted him to have evidence of like
01:42:52.900
a stable job or like a stable living situation.
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Or she, no, she didn't want him to have no custody.
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She wanted him to have like monitored visitation so that I wasn't in a situation that was unsafe.
01:43:11.620
So in what scenario, if custody was going to be split, would the person who's earning less
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money pay child support to the parent who's making more money?
01:43:23.360
Did your mom pay child support to him so that he could?
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You weren't with him because she wanted to withhold custody because he wasn't financially
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capable, even though she was the breadwinner and she could have been paying him child support
01:43:40.980
so that in the same way that a lot of women face this scenario where they don't have financial
01:43:46.480
resources and they seek the man to bolster their own resources so that they can raise
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the child, your mother ought to have been paying child support to your father so that he did
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have that safe home and have the resources to raise you.
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As the breadwinner, that would have been justified.
01:44:16.960
She just wanted him to have a safe area because he didn't have a home that was stable and she
01:44:25.580
He lived in a different state once they got divorced and so she wasn't going to just send
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me at four years old to a different state to go visit him with no parameters to make it
01:44:41.700
Two years before me and then a year or two years.
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No, I remembered the court situation and all of the custody things because I was like
01:45:11.100
Wait, you remember the court situation or the violence?
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They went through a very long custody battle after they filed for divorce to get custody
01:45:25.960
My mom wanted to have me in a safe area so that I still had a relationship with my dad
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I don't think we need to go into the specifics of it.
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It was a physical altercation and it was with me.
01:45:59.720
So if you have a two-year-old that that is happening to, would you want them in that unsafe
01:46:07.640
What I do know that is very common in custody disputes, and this is more so something that
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women do, is they will manufacture either claim that the male parent is either physically
01:46:22.520
If there's doctors, things showing, and there's photos, then obviously not.
01:46:29.160
I do have friends that the man, you know, he goes through custody battles all the time
01:46:33.580
because his ex-wife is, you know, saying things that happened to the kid.
01:46:45.080
Was he ever physically violent towards your mom?
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Look, if you don't want to talk about it, I understand.
01:46:52.980
It does seem uncharacteristic, though, for physical violence to be directed at a child
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A lot of people in a custody dispute say things.
01:47:07.960
This is absolutely not a fabricated thing, if that's what you're trying to insinuate.
01:47:12.880
Well, I mean, there is a way for us to know because there's documentation and photographs
01:47:27.900
Then your father was a sick individual if he was physically violent with a baby.
01:47:33.840
And if that is the case, if there is actually stone-cold evidence for it,
01:47:40.920
I don't know why your mom would even know that.
01:47:43.580
That's why my mom had said that she wanted me to know he existed,
01:47:46.960
but she didn't want it to be in a situation where I was ever alone with him,
01:47:50.880
that I could have monitored visitations with an agency.
01:48:11.380
We're really hitting all the hot-button issues, huh?
01:48:22.780
Good to know women are yet still more concerned about ridding themselves of babies instead of taking responsibility.
01:48:38.700
But, I mean, if you were to ask a deadbeat dad, which is a spin on, like, a man whose circumstances might not be ideal, financially...
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Because when you say deadbeat dad, I tend to think somebody who is intentionally not wanting to be in the child's life.
01:48:54.600
Not somebody who was pushed out by the mother or somebody who's just fallen on hard times financially or somebody who just doesn't earn much.
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Well, I think defining our terms is important here.
01:49:03.900
I mean, it's probably a bit of an umbrella term that could cover some of those things or all of those things.
01:49:09.720
I was thinking of one of those guys who's got, like, multiple, like, different sort of women that he's intentionally sort of, like, not being there for.
01:49:15.680
Like, you know, you see this a lot in the black community with, like, the single mother rate and stuff.
01:49:24.780
But I don't think that women would intentionally push out a man so they could be a single mother.
01:49:35.880
But I don't think that, like, they intentionally mean, like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be a single mom now.
01:49:44.140
If a woman has, like, a vindictive streak about her and she sees a way to get back at the man, say he went and, like, was sleeping with a younger girl, for example, and she sees a way of getting back at him as not letting him see the child, that is a very realistic situation.
01:49:59.320
Well, also, incarceration is a big number in the black male, like, in the black community.
01:50:06.120
So, a lot of the times, sometimes those men don't get a chance to be a father.
01:50:11.040
And then a lot of the times, it's a lot of injustice in those situations.
01:50:14.980
Well, the biggest problem that you guys have got is the welfare system.
01:50:17.280
Because since the welfare system came to be in the 1960s with Lyndon Maid Johnson, the single motherhood rate has gone from 25% to 75%.
01:50:25.640
Because they're actually incentivized to tell the government that they don't have a daddy in their home so they can get more money.
01:50:31.820
So, on the whole deadbeat dad thing, though, it's just interesting to me because if the guy, let's say he's not, he doesn't want to be a father, he doesn't want that responsibility, he's not financially in a place where he can take care of the kid, like, all you guys say, these guys are clowns.
01:50:56.560
The same statements that you made about deadbeat dads, will you say that about women who abort their child?
01:51:07.080
Like, let's say these women, and most abortions are not ready, just not ready, don't want to go through the pregnancy, don't want to be a mom, not financially capable.
01:51:19.080
You have to make that same claim about the women who get the abortions.
01:51:22.600
Well, not really, because they don't have a kid that's here every day for the rest of their lives that they have to take care of a human that you're raising emotionally and mentally and physically.
01:51:31.300
Did you just say they put the kid out of their misery?
01:51:34.860
I'm saying, like, with someone not paying child support, that's 18 years of, like, misery.
01:51:42.440
Like, people come from bad situations and make something good of their life all the time.
01:51:46.900
It's an absurd thing to say, they're putting them out of their misery.
01:51:49.020
I'm saying I wouldn't say the same thing about a mom aborting, because they're not putting their child through something horrible for 18 years.
01:51:59.440
So you think it's better to kill the child instead of having them overcome the situation of having, like, not a two-parent home?
01:52:06.560
Um, personally, I wouldn't, um, but I think they should have the option, yeah.
01:52:13.920
I think that would be a not great reason to have an abortion, but if that's their choice, yeah.
01:52:21.220
Yeah, I think if you got pregnant, you would not let women decide what to do with your body.
01:52:25.660
You'd be like, oh, hell, nine months in my balls?
01:52:29.900
Let me just tell you, let me tell you this, if I had a baby in my balls, I'd take that thing to term, and I'd spit it out my pee hole.
01:52:37.180
I would, and then if I, you'd think that I'd kill the baby.
01:52:40.860
I mean, you wouldn't be pregnant for nine months, you guys can't even get your periods, that's how fragile.
01:52:46.900
No, we actually don't get our periods, but what we do do is we work all of the most difficult jobs in the world,
01:52:51.780
and we work all of the most dangerous jobs in the world, we do all the dying in war.
01:53:02.260
But here you are saying that maybe we're not tough enough to, I think that if we can be ice road truckers,
01:53:07.580
and if we can go and die in ditches in war, pretty sure we can have a few little mood swings from being pregnant and having an hour period.
01:53:14.860
I think we need to, Ryan, you need to get that one stimulator for the period cramps.
01:53:21.060
I mean, this whole, like, pregnancy is the most painful thing ever, there's, what is it, kidney stones?
01:53:26.580
Like, women who have been pregnant and then women who have had kidney stones, from women themselves,
01:53:33.540
report that the pain is just as, if not worse, than pregnancy.
01:53:40.300
My understanding is it's a little bit more painful for men than it is for women.
01:53:54.120
We get all the pays and the money and the big things.
01:53:58.580
You have to have a little blood coming out of you for a few days a week.
01:54:01.640
But you have to realize what a baby does to a woman's body.
01:54:06.980
Do you know what trench foot does to a man's body?
01:54:20.800
Women not being able to vote was also a long time ago, so it doesn't matter.
01:54:23.800
Also, slavery was a long time ago, so it doesn't matter, right?
01:54:28.660
Slavery was a long time ago, so it doesn't matter.
01:54:32.220
Which, the percentage of men who have had trench foot in the last 20 years to the amount
01:54:36.940
of women who have had babies is not statistically significant enough to compare them.
01:54:43.940
But you're saying that men had to have trench foot.
01:54:48.520
So, you said, because Jake here brought up World War I, World War II, totally catastrophic,
01:54:55.760
tens of millions of male deaths, very few female deaths, so you said, well, World War
01:55:17.220
Women were fighting in World War I and World War II.
01:55:25.140
I understand that, but how many out of that that fought were actually women?
01:55:29.700
100% were men, then 100% of the outcome would be men.
01:55:33.540
You think U.S. slavery has had a bigger impact on society than World War II?
01:55:53.360
Everything that is involved with World War II or just U.S.-based slavery?
01:56:03.940
No, we were comparing pregnancies and trench foot.
01:56:08.320
I said that trench foot was something that was exclusive.
01:56:12.360
Because I'll tell you what's worse than trench foot, getting blown in half by those World
01:56:16.680
That would be actually a fair bit worse because you're actually dead.
01:56:19.320
So we were comparing that and saying that, and she was saying, oh, poor little men have
01:56:26.020
You guys have to just have a little period for a few months and be in a bad mood when you
01:56:38.200
You do not literally have, like, okay, so let's say, example, women have periods, but
01:56:42.680
let's say also that women that take birth control to maintain the periods and the hormones
01:56:47.000
that they process through their bodies, if you ever read the side effects on a birth
01:56:50.540
control package and how many side effects there are, and literally just to consume
01:56:56.100
For me, I take birth control because I have my, literally, I have an iron problem, so
01:57:00.560
if I can take my period, like, it literally, my blood flow will not stop.
01:57:03.500
Let me literally, let me literally tell you something, literally.
01:57:05.460
Let me literally tell you something, literally.
01:57:06.840
Literally, if you don't have sex, you literally won't have to take the birth control.
01:57:09.900
No, I take, I know, I literally, I just stated the fact that I take birth control because
01:57:19.660
I'm not going to, listen, I'm not going to let you weasel, so.
01:57:22.940
There are so many other reasons to be on birth control.
01:57:25.500
So you said, these are the words you said, so I'm contending, stop, be quiet.
01:57:32.120
So you, look, I was very clear at the beginning of the show, not to be doing like cross talk
01:57:38.540
We got to have good discipline when it comes to the microphones.
01:57:46.300
You said, you didn't say trench foot was a long time ago.
01:57:51.900
You said World War I, World War II was a long time ago.
01:57:54.240
No, that's literally what came out of your mouth.
01:57:56.400
And then I followed it up by saying the amount of men who have had trench foot in the last
01:58:00.240
20 years compared to the amount of women who have been pregnant in the last 20 years is
01:58:04.280
not statistically significant enough to compare, which was the original argument.
01:58:10.180
The first half of that sentence was about World War I.
01:58:12.500
The entire sentence included what we were discussing.
01:58:18.240
You realize trench foot, while there is to some degrees, like in the Ukraine war, there is
01:58:25.160
Trench warfare was like predominantly a World War I scenario and to some degree in World War
01:58:31.300
So you said, well, what about the trench foot the past 20 years?
01:58:34.840
It's not really a major concern when it comes to global conflict.
01:58:40.820
You said World War I, World War II, long time ago.
01:58:46.020
So just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean that it doesn't have like
01:58:51.480
The whole world is completely different because of World War I and World War II.
01:59:01.740
But you said, you were trying to like say, oh, well, these things happened a long time
01:59:10.920
I mean, then why bring up, oh, because you're trying to downplay it.
01:59:44.480
So if most people in power are men, but that only represents 0.00001% of the population?
01:59:58.200
How many Russian males are there versus how many Putins are there?
02:00:05.540
And so you're complaining about a system that...
02:00:14.320
If there was a system that was set up by men and exclusively by men that made men walk
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into a hole that was going to bury them and kill them, right?
02:00:26.320
A million of them died, but it was set up by men.
02:00:34.960
Would it be unfair to the men who that was happening to?
02:00:40.720
So then it doesn't necessarily about if there's a guy in power who set it up.
02:00:44.560
No, I'm saying if you're complaining about rules that affect men, but the rules were
02:00:53.660
It's not women being unfair to men and saying, let me make these rules to disqualify...
02:00:58.900
You know what, the funny thing is that men are actually so benevolent when it comes to
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this sort of thing, because if they want to do, they could conscript women and send
02:01:12.040
Other 18, 19, 20-year-old young men to go die in hundreds of thousands.
02:01:14.960
You're complaining about the system, but then you're justifying it.
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No, I'm just talking about from the female purview.
02:01:21.840
From the female purview, you can say that it's all men who set it up, but also it's men who
02:01:34.080
But that's the system that you were complaining about two minutes ago, and I said, how are
02:01:38.660
you complaining about it if men are the ones that set up the system?
02:01:41.680
Wait, just to be clear, do you think infinitely complex geopolitical conflicts, it all just
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boils down to, oh, a man happened to be in position of power?
02:01:52.480
Like, if a bad thing happens, if a bad thing happens, and it happens to be a man who was
02:02:00.340
in a position of power, it's like somehow the men who are negatively impacted by that
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is, it's not as severe because a man in position of power...
02:02:13.060
Why don't we also, like, why do we look at it in that way?
02:02:18.200
Like, what are you trying to communicate by saying, well, who set that system up?
02:02:24.460
You're complaining about the system, but I'm saying that men set up that system.
02:02:28.500
So if you're complaining about the system, that's what was set up by men.
02:02:31.380
I mean, this seems like to be a bit of a logical fallacy.
02:02:41.400
I mean, but are you saying that the grievance is of less concern?
02:02:51.840
No, I've said it several times, but you keep asking me the same question, hoping that I'm
02:02:55.300
getting a different response, but I'm not doing that.
02:03:00.220
Are you trying to suggest by pointing out, well, it happens to be a very small minority
02:03:05.240
of men who had some degree of power, supposedly set the system up?
02:03:13.180
Well, of course, ignoring certain biological and evolutionary realities.
02:03:22.000
So if the grievance, this individual or group of people, shares a gender, shares a sex with
02:03:30.420
the individual or individuals that set that system up, their grievance should not be taken
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But on the same topic, that if it's a man making a decision for men, then it shouldn't
02:03:55.700
What are you trying to communicate by saying, but men set that system up?
02:04:00.160
Because men complain about the system that they themselves set up.
02:04:03.060
So if they didn't like the system, then why wouldn't they have changed it?
02:04:06.560
So just to be clear, you think like 18-year-olds who are drafted into the military have like
02:04:24.060
Do you think that warfare and conflict and tribalism is a part of human nature, or do you
02:04:35.500
So do you think that if there were women in power, if we were just all of a sudden run
02:04:38.780
by queens, even though they wouldn't be able to enforce anything, if we were run by queens,
02:04:45.640
It would be sort of John Lennon seeing and imagined by John Lennon holding hands?
02:04:49.720
No, I don't think there would be no war, but I do think that the way that men handle
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conflict versus the way that women handle conflict is very different.
02:04:54.400
So I think if women were quote-unquote running the road, there would be more communication
02:05:01.000
Do you think that there would be less war if it was up to women?
02:05:08.060
Do you think the girls would just have a chai latte and just talk it out?
02:05:11.380
There's two ends of the spectrum, but I do think women are more communicative and men
02:05:20.880
Women usually handle conflicts with emotion and communication.
02:05:31.480
So you're saying, okay, men complain about war.
02:05:51.780
We should have a matriarch, and I'd all get together with the gals and have a chai latte,
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I don't know why this is, like, so hyper-focused on me for every question, though.
02:05:59.780
It's because when we ask you to actually state your position, you just go, you, like, look
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around and give, like, weird face, and then say, I already said that.
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Maybe we're too stupid to understand, so just say it in a more...
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I've said the same thing on abortion several times, and it was just a runaround.
02:06:14.380
I've said the same thing on this topic, and it's just a runaround.
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No, you're speaking down on it, is what you're...
02:06:26.740
You're dismissing genuine male grievances by simply saying, by using the apex fallacy,
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oh, this 0.0001% of men who do have power, meanwhile, the average man has absolutely no
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In fact, the average man tends to fare worse than the average woman.
02:06:42.780
And then if you look at the bottom rungs of society, most men occupy the absolute worst
02:06:48.420
outcomes in society, whereas women in general tend to have like a higher standard of living
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So you might look at the man and the CEO or the executive or the really rich guy, and you
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think that that's the experience of most men or all men, but it's an apex fallacy.
02:07:12.660
It's a very, very small percentage of men that enjoy any sort of supposed or alleged privilege.
02:07:24.880
Average women, compared to average men, have far more privilege in a myriad of different
02:07:34.220
Explain to me the worst outcomes that women face as compared to the worst outcomes that
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There are six other people at the table who can ask me a question as well.
02:07:44.760
Well, if any of the other girls want to jump in with a, like, coherent argument, I'm happy
02:07:52.860
When it comes to homelessness, for example, do you care to take a guess at the percentage
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breakdown of homelessness between men and women?
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And this, to me, seems like it would be a worse life outcome.
02:08:10.700
So how do we reconcile this amazing privilege that is bestowed upon men?
02:08:18.340
How could it be the case that there's this patriarchy that exalts and raises men up and
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they have this fantastical privilege and their lives just go splendidly without any issue.
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But all of the worst negative life outcomes drastically, disproportionately impact men.
02:08:40.320
I mean, just, are you, do you just want to concede the argument?
02:08:43.120
I'll move it on if you just want to concede, but.
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I mean, I'm literally going off of your own positions.
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Because, okay, we are exploring your statement of who set that system up.
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None of the other panelists forwarded that worldview.
02:09:12.540
Is this, is this the, like, healthy, you, you know what stonewalling is?
02:09:26.540
Like, this is a boundary that I've said several times.
02:09:30.680
I'm literally, you've agreed to come on, like, a discussion show.
02:09:34.580
Right, and I've explained my stance several times and you're asking.
02:09:39.320
But I've literally forwarded different questions and positions for you to, like, either try to rebut or contend with.
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She's going to, I'm just going to say she concedes the argument then.
02:09:52.000
Okay, well, so my, I wanted to add something because you can correct me too if, you know, I'm totally off or whatever.
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But I think where she was getting at with that comment was going back to earlier discussion about the abortions and how men shouldn't have a say-so on women's body, even though men passed that law to have a say-so on women's bodies, like them being able to have abortions.
02:10:17.540
So moving, like, forward into this conversation, she's basically just, like, going back to that, like, well, men made those laws the same way, like, we don't feel men should have a say-so on women's bodies and what women do.
02:10:31.140
Women are, there's a massive amount of conservative women who are part of the electorate and you have women on the Supreme Court, you have female politicians, senators, et cetera.
02:10:41.860
Like, let's assume, and actually, I think the majority, there's more women voters than there are male voters.
02:10:46.600
So if the majority of women voted to ban abortion, and if I said, you guys who are pro-choice, if I was like, oh, well, who set up that system?
02:11:00.500
Okay, and that's exactly where she was, like, going with the, like, war thing.
02:11:04.120
And that's completely okay if you said that, like, my standpoint is I'm a very different woman compared to the women that are on that panel.
02:11:13.920
Like, these are, like, really old, like you said, like, conservative white women who are making, like, he said, there's a lot of not-two-parent homes in the black community.
02:11:24.480
It's more known in that community than y'alls and stuff.
02:11:28.360
So, like, for us, if we don't, if we know this man is not going to stick around or do this, like, and we're like, oh, okay, I want to have an abortion, so I don't raise my kid in a one-person, you know, household, maybe that's their standpoint.
02:11:42.080
I'm just, I'm not speaking for myself, but, yeah.
02:11:48.500
Can I just say, can I add, if it was the statistic was 50% men, 50% women homeless, would you guys be happy with that?
02:11:57.380
No, you probably want the men lower and then the women higher.
02:12:07.340
There's, like, jobs literally, there's homeless people.
02:12:11.480
Like, it's like, men be, like, fucking be a man and go get a job.
02:12:16.620
Men are homeless, but why the hell are they sitting on their ass holding a sign?
02:12:26.500
I feel like homelessness is different, too, because I think-
02:12:28.260
Wait, so if a woman's homeless, it's also her choice?
02:12:34.820
Like, we just saw a homeless person at a gas station.
02:12:37.900
You're sitting in front of a gas station that has a hired sign in the window.
02:12:41.700
You understand that if there are certain societal conditions, there is going to be homelessness.
02:12:45.220
Homelessness, like, if you have a certain unemployment rate, and if you have these mental health epidemics that you're having in the United States, where there's so much prescription drugs everywhere, and if you close down all of your mental institutions, like they've done in California, which is just an absolute shithole, by the way, then you're going to have a bunch of homelessness.
02:13:05.440
Like, I don't know why we're talking about homelessness.
02:13:06.780
If you're talking about a 60-year-old war veteran who's schizophrenic and literally can't get hired anywhere, and then they're just on the street, then no, unfortunately-
02:13:18.920
People struggle with schizophrenia all the time and still have manageable jobs and still have a good lifestyle.
02:13:25.780
Just to be clear, you're saying that they chose to be schizophrenic?
02:13:28.320
They chose to be homeless and not to do anything about it.
02:13:30.840
So, if someone has such a severe case of schizophrenia that they cannot get a job, because in order to have a job, you have to be somewhat functional at least, you're saying that they still chose that?
02:13:38.200
Because there are people who have- PTSD is a very serious thing, and there are people who have very, very serious forms of PTSD who are homeless on the street.
02:13:47.060
Literally, there's probably 100,000 of them in California, in LA alone.
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These people have very, very serious conditions, and they get no help from their government.
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They went to war to try and defend their country from.
02:13:58.680
And you're saying that you laugh at these people and say, get up, bro.
02:14:02.120
Yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah, I mean, it's like, make your- you can make you have every option to make your life better, bro.
02:14:10.260
You cannot sit- you cannot, Brian, you cannot sit there and say I'm wrong about that.
02:14:15.440
A lot of the homelessness in LA spiked when Ronald Reagan was the president because he shut down-
02:14:22.760
Well, he shut down so many mental institutions and programs that helped people who needed it, and that's where-
02:14:28.480
Instead of literally going somewhere where they can provide help, they resort to taking drugs and make their life a little bit more harder than it has to be.
02:14:36.700
Like, and I don't see why we brought up homelessness when we're talking about abortions and comparing it to trench foot.
02:14:41.600
Where that, like, where was that taking a term?
02:14:46.280
But, I mean, look, look, to some degree people have agency over their lives, but typically the circumstances which lead to homelessness, I don't know if it's so much about- I mean, look, people do make choices and it can lead to certain life outcomes.
02:15:01.980
But a lot of these people, you know, there's- like Jake said, there's- it could be PTSD, there could be drug use, there could be mental illnesses that have led them to certain unfavorable life outcomes.
02:15:14.960
I worked for the Salvation Army for two years in a homeless shelter, and there was one lady that I remember that when she was a little kid, her dad locked her in her house for her whole entire life.
02:15:23.900
And then, like, you know, did- you can imagine all kinds of terrible things to her.
02:15:27.760
And then she got out, and then it was sort of still happening, and then she had a child that was a product of the father and her.
02:15:34.480
And then this child was, like, seriously deformed.
02:15:36.960
And they were both homeless, and it was like- some people, it's like, yeah, you have agency, and there are a lot of success stories out there, but, I mean, some people are just fucked from the get-go.
02:15:52.220
The easy way to not have to worry about child support is to make sure the guy who knocks you up doesn't leave.
02:16:03.460
I just think it's interesting, like, y'all would say to the guy who, like, knocks up a girl and he's got to pay child support for 18 years, you'd say, oh, you shouldn't have done that.
02:16:17.460
But, like, you never say that to a woman who's, like, considering an abortion.
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They just said keep your legs closed for women, like, about abortions and stuff like that.
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I know, but y'all, you guys would take issue with it.
02:16:29.820
No, they just said it, and we didn't have no issue with it.
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We just- we laughed about the comment when it popped up.
02:16:36.940
When it said keep your legs closed, shit, you're right.
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We should have kept our legs closed, but hey, now we're here.
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States represent women for free for child support collection.
02:16:57.240
If you're dodging it, you're effectively living like you're on the run or only having cash jobs.
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They're evasive with it, but if you're a normal guy who's getting a check, you're not working under the table, you can evade it.
02:17:17.200
You can try to, like this guy said, you work under the table jobs, cash jobs.
02:17:21.820
Like if you're a guy who's making $100K a year as a software engineer, like good luck evading the inevitable 18 years of child support you're going to have to pay because you hooked up with some girl and she got knocked up and you didn't want, like you just thought you were having a one-night casual encounter.
02:17:43.840
No, that's not what I'm, here's what I think is fair.
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In any state or country where abortion is legal, men should be able to say, it's called legal paternal surrender.
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You can kill the kid, I should be able to abandon it.
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In a world, if a woman can't get an abortion, the men can't opt out and they got to pay child support.
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But the current state of affairs is, no matter what, as the guy, regardless of the abortion laws, whether the woman can nuke your kid, whatever it is, you got to pay.
02:18:20.060
You making money, she goes to the state, you're paying child support 18 years.
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If you don't, there's going to be penalties and eventually they're going to put you in jail.
02:18:34.600
If women were, if, like, say the man took the child or whatever, like, say you had a son and you decide to raise the son and you get granted full custody, whatever, the woman still has to pay child support in that instance.
02:18:52.140
One, men are, women are much, actually three things, women are much more likely to get a greater degree of custody.
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And then, in addition to that, just based off the data that we have, I think it's like 90% of child support payments go from men to women.
02:19:11.180
So, it's a small minority of women who are paying child support.
02:19:15.740
There's a bias in the court system that's going to morph, I don't know why you're laughing.
02:19:18.720
There's a bias in the court system that more favorably looks towards women versus men in these sort of situations.
02:19:24.820
And then, the fourth thing is, even if the guy is fully within his right to go after the breadwinner woman and get child support, men are just naturally less likely to seek it.
02:19:39.320
In the event of a divorce, she's the breadwinner.
02:19:42.000
There is a greater proportion of men who are just going to throw their hands up and be like, I just want out.
02:19:48.720
Whereas, women are going to have a much greater sense of entitlement.
02:19:52.860
Women are going to be like, I feel entitled to this money.
02:19:56.500
Well, you still have the same position or the same entitlement.
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You just don't feel like you need to take action into it.
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That's not a woman's fault if a man doesn't want to take it.
02:20:07.980
It's not a woman's fault, but it's to the woman's benefit if men are less likely to seek the child support or alimony.
02:20:22.840
Even though those are the statistics, it still shows that a man can get child support or he can do that.
02:20:29.820
It's mama's baby, daddy's maybe, so that's usually why the court goes with the mom because the mom carried the baby.
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You know, so you know it belongs to them and stuff.
02:20:38.660
Sometimes fathers can be like, oh, well, how do I know it's mine?
02:20:41.860
Then you have to go through the paternity test, and then once you discover, like, oh, okay, you are the father, now it's going through the court system to, you know, what do you want to do as a father?
02:20:55.120
Do you want, like, what do you want to do in that aspect?
02:20:59.260
But, I mean, that's kind of why they favor the mom over the dad because you know the mom, you know, it's their baby.
02:21:05.740
Okay, I mean, you're just arguing my position that there's a bias in the court system.
02:21:13.100
But I also, you also were saying it, like, men don't have the option that women have, and they do have, you said that men throw up their hands and don't go for alimony or don't go for, like, they're less likely.
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I'm not saying that it's women's fault that that's the case.
02:21:38.160
Because you were like, well, in 10% of cases, the woman's the breadwinner, and the guy can get child support.
02:21:48.180
But it's like, we're looking at disproportionality and differences, right?
02:21:55.780
No, but the original conversation, the conversation here stemmed from, like, so a guy who doesn't want to have a kid for financial reasons or he doesn't want to be a parent, he doesn't have a say in the matter.
02:22:18.900
Like, that was kind of what, going back to mine and his initial discussion about abortion or about, like, when a man—because that's what started that whole conversation was I said that I wouldn't let a man have a final say in every single thing, but I will let him.
02:22:37.140
No, I said I would definitely discuss it with them because I do feel like—
02:22:41.760
Yeah, so he—because I do agree with what you said.
02:22:44.000
Like, if a dad told me, like, if I got pregnant and the father told me, like, hey, look, I don't want to have a baby with you.
02:22:49.240
I'm not going to be in this kid's life and blah, blah, blah.
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I have all the information I need to say if I want to continue having this baby with him.
02:22:56.460
Now, if he said that and said he's not going to be in the baby's life, but me personally, I don't agree in abortions, then I'm still going to have the baby, but he's not legally—we can set up a legal documentation that says you're legally not responsible financially or anything, whatever.
02:23:10.500
You can—first off, that wouldn't be legally—the court would throw that out.
02:23:23.460
Whatever legal agreement you have, the court's going to be like, we're looking out for the best interest of the child.
02:23:35.800
And then secondly, even if you did have this document, if you in some sort of situation—let's say you don't want to enforce it.
02:23:43.920
You're like, well, it's unenforceable, but, like, we agreed to it.
02:23:48.460
So if you ever try to get any sort of government subsidy, like welfare, EBT, food, they're going to—they're going to be like, do you have a kid?
02:24:00.100
You're going to say yes, and they're going to be like, okay, we're automatically going to go after the father now.
02:24:05.040
And you can't tell them, no, no, no, please don't.
02:24:09.220
If we're going after welfare, if you're filing for welfare, we have to go after the dad and get some sort of money from him.
02:24:18.640
So even if you have that agreement in place, which, by the way, wouldn't be enforceable at any point, maybe it pisses you off.
02:24:27.640
If you ever have to file for, like, any sort of welfare, health care, that sort of thing, government, health care, they're going after the dad.
02:24:37.700
So there's risk there to the man no matter what.
02:24:46.860
Brian, I see you got the big brains on panel tonight.
02:24:50.560
If skin hue is important, you're a shallow person.
02:24:53.440
If that makes you qualified, that make your employer an idiot.
02:25:27.020
Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
02:25:31.760
And then I do want to give a shout-out to David Champagne.
02:25:51.740
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
02:26:22.520
So you gave yourself the highest rating at the table off the scale.
02:26:26.560
So are you prepared to say as the highest rating that you're the most attractive woman
02:26:40.100
Like, I want you to say, I'm hotter than every other girl in this room.
02:27:01.300
Maybe the women and the women got to go at it for a bit.
02:27:03.720
She's saying she's hotter than all of you uggos.
02:27:38.300
If a real 10 said it, then you guys would be upset.
02:27:47.180
She's absolutely perfect, gorgeous, amongst the hottest women that have ever lived on planet
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And there has to be women at the bottom as well.
02:28:00.240
I mean, the most beautiful woman in the world, like, to me, I don't think is any of us.
02:28:07.240
But she literally stated, in her eyes, she's 11.
02:28:19.000
If 10 is perfect, for those of you who said 10 or 11, do you still give yourself a 10?
02:28:39.800
Look, you want me to, like, break it down here?
02:28:43.560
I'm probably going to start balding within a couple years.
02:29:13.960
When you looked your best, what would you have rated yourself then?
02:29:17.020
You know, I saw a video the other day on my Instagram.
02:29:22.120
I saw an old video of you that popped up on my Instagram of you walking around pretending
02:29:28.520
You were skinny, and you looked like you were going surfing.
02:29:32.600
Yeah, pull it up, and then pull up my Instagram after that.
02:30:32.480
Ask them what they think 1,000 random men would rate them on average 1 to 10, can't pick 7.
02:30:40.040
Here, get the Instagram, though, real quick, and then we'll come right back to it.
02:31:20.180
And then just, it's just going to be downhill at 40.
02:31:23.780
You should take up old mate from last show on his offer to get you a program.
02:31:36.720
So if men had to rate you, a thousand men, what do they, what's the average?
02:31:57.360
Am I these men's type or is like these just, you know, literally like random men, you're
02:32:03.280
If you had to sort of think about the global average.
02:32:28.580
But when I have the glasses and the jacket, I look a little like Betty, Betty the Ugly
02:33:00.860
It's the whole concept of like, oh, she's wearing a.
02:33:06.880
If I, you know, put on the wig and the heels and my ass and, you know, it's nice.
02:34:28.100
I'm just like, you know, would it be that hard to just be like, you know what?
02:35:00.100
Generally, if you look at it, it will operate in a bell curve.
02:35:02.580
So at the very bottom, if you see ones and twos, it ruins your day, ruins your whole entire
02:35:06.560
And then if you get towards three, you get a few more, you'd still, you wouldn't want
02:35:10.760
to go near them, but you wouldn't want to, you know, but then if you get to like four,
02:35:15.080
five, and six, that's where like 80% of people sort of tend to reside.
02:35:18.120
And then seven, and then eight, nine, ten is like where you get to, you know, chef's
02:35:23.460
By the way, Jake, I have a, I've got beef with you, dude.
02:35:27.520
So two, three days ago, we're going to come back to this topic though.
02:35:31.520
I was on Netflix and I saw Love on the Spectrum.
02:35:44.440
I want you to apologize on behalf of Australians.
02:35:47.580
The Australians, we've literally invented the boomerang and Love on the Spectrum.
02:35:58.260
Because I feel like they could cast me and I would do really good.
02:36:09.140
We'd put you with like a Down Syndrome girl and you guys would be sitting there like.
02:36:14.440
I would get along with that, that girl who's like, well, the animation.
02:36:25.660
We have two tweets, two TikToks to react to that's related to this conversation that I
02:36:35.300
I think I'm finally ready to go out and meet new people.
02:36:45.080
I was then hit by a plane and pulverized instantaneously.
02:36:50.520
So, she creates her hinge account and then she sees her matches and so I think what she's
02:36:58.220
trying to communicate here is she's like, whoa, I have this standard of like what I think
02:37:05.140
I deserve when it comes to a guy's appearance or whatever.
02:37:07.680
But then the guys who are actively matching her, she's like, these guys are below my league.
02:37:14.660
Can you pull it back up really quick because I'll read the comments and then there's another
02:37:19.200
Then the first comment reads, it's actually, put it on a window tab really quick for the
02:37:28.080
It's actually traumatic and I just want to make sure the audio is okay.
02:37:39.100
Where does their confidence, where does their confidence come from?
02:37:42.080
How dare men match with a woman on a dating app or send a like on a dating app?
02:37:48.000
Yes, I created an account on a random Sunday night, saw my matches and deleted that night.
02:38:05.900
Indicating that she thinks that the matches that she's getting are below her.
02:38:16.480
This other girl says, or Haley says, dude, like where are the hot ones?
02:38:30.300
I don't think I'm that shallow, but like, dang, that's from another woman.
02:38:35.980
And then there's another TikTok that's related to this.
02:38:39.500
And then start it from, start it at just 30, because I think she rambles a little bit.
02:38:54.440
And I know that this is awful to say, but getting likes and being shown people who are clearly, like, below your league will give you self-confidence issues.
02:39:08.580
And vice versa, like, not getting any matches at all or not getting any likes at all, like, that is also a self-confidence issue that I feel like people shouldn't have to go through.
02:39:23.260
And for me personally, the only time I ever download dating apps is when I feel lonely.
02:39:34.140
She said that it's, like, a hit to her self-esteem, seeing, like, the, start from 30 again.
02:39:42.200
And while you're doing that, Marky says, dating apps have made me so insecure.
02:39:51.880
Like, and I know that this is awful to say, but getting likes and being shown people who are clearly, like, below your league will give you self-confidence issues.
02:40:07.200
And then I'm going to just read one or two of these chats.
02:40:20.620
I think it was the comments in the other one that I thought I thought were interesting.
02:40:23.240
But anyways, so, do you think that these women are actually getting liked by people who are way outside their league?
02:40:35.200
Or are these women delusional as to their standing in the dating marketplace?
02:40:40.020
And they think that they're more attractive than they actually are.
02:40:45.100
And then they're looking at people who are their, who are actually their looks match, their looks equivalent, and they're zeroing them out.
02:40:56.040
I thought on dating apps, you both had to like each other.
02:40:58.480
Yeah, that's what I was confused about as well.
02:40:59.980
Well, so, on Hinge, for example, if I recall, and I haven't been on it in, like, a year and a half.
02:41:05.520
On Hinge, you can see your incoming likes, so you can look at their profile before you send a like.
02:41:12.740
So, it'll show you there's, like, a, like, if you're just swiping through the feed, I guess you could like at the same time, or they've already liked you.
02:41:21.860
But you can actually look at people who've already picked you.
02:41:28.000
Like, with the app that I was on, in order for you to be a match, you had to say yes, they had to say yes.
02:41:32.800
So, if somebody was surprised by that, that would be strange to me.
02:41:36.540
So, what they're specifically talking about is there's a feed in the dating apps that they have that it already, you haven't necessarily swiped yes on them.
02:41:49.080
They're showing you the people who have swiped yes on you.
02:41:51.540
And I'm pretty sure they're talking about, I think she said hinge.
02:41:56.540
So, you can see, before you like them, who's liked you.
02:42:00.560
And they're dissatisfied with the people who've liked them because they want to pick.
02:42:07.800
They want to pick amongst the men who've already picked them.
02:42:14.240
But they can have their preference, right, if they don't like them, if they don't think they're cute.
02:42:21.220
Because I had Tinder, and when I was scrolling, it would take me like 500 scrolls to find like one person that I thought was cute.
02:42:31.560
And sometimes your type might not be their type.
02:42:34.600
Like, the type that you like might not like what you look like.
02:42:39.740
Also, women don't date for looks that much as men do.
02:42:48.840
Y'all think men are these superficial, super shallow.
02:43:08.980
No, I think that when it comes to this conversation, though, it's like, if you look at it from
02:43:12.900
the guys who are like up the very top echelon, they're going to be able to pick apart women
02:43:16.660
a lot more, as opposed to women will, I think, will pick the men apart a lot more in general.
02:43:22.220
But if you get a guy who's like sort of bottom 60% of men in terms of that.
02:43:36.540
Like I was saying, if you get a guy who's like bottom sort of 50%, he's generally just
02:43:44.360
And then with the guys who are even in the top percentile, they're going to look at very
02:43:50.580
You'll often see very successful guys who with an adjustable six.
02:43:54.740
Because if a woman is like, and this is bad, but like if a woman is above an eight, generally
02:44:00.560
they just tend to be completely fucking insufferable.
02:44:02.940
With the world that they're raised in, if they're above an eight, like a genuinely above
02:44:06.740
an eight, then yeah, like the world is just going to reinforce to them constantly their
02:44:17.480
They're going to get offered to be flown all around the world.
02:44:22.180
I mean, if you're a successful guy, you'll get that.
02:44:25.640
Remember that guy that was a convict, a murderer, and then got hot and like traveled the world?
02:44:30.300
Have you ever had an offer for a guy to like fly you out or anything?
02:44:37.780
Are you, when you were in your twenties, were you as attractive as the hot felon dude?
02:44:43.340
Like, would you have been able to land the hot felon dude in your twenties?
02:44:49.940
Any, I think any guy, how can I put this in a PG-13?
02:45:01.020
Getting sex from a guy, that's not a W for women.
02:45:12.580
But what I mean is, the felon guy got pretty boy treatment, you know, and it's like, you
02:45:20.140
But like, average women can get that kind of treatment.
02:45:26.780
If she puts the right sort of filters on her Instagram and she posts the right, like,
02:45:31.120
Dude, I'm going to leave this podcast being like, poor man.
02:45:34.060
I'm going to really, tomorrow I'm going to give out blowjobs to, no, that's too much.
02:45:40.260
If you leave the podcast thinking more about men, then I'll consider the position about
02:45:47.980
I'm not convinced about it, but I think that we can, we can come to that agreement.
02:45:51.320
It's like giving, have you seen these TikTok videos where the girls like after motherhood
02:45:57.000
Like they show them three months before and then three months after.
02:46:01.980
And I'm not sure if, like, I don't think motherhood does that to you, but it seems brutal.
02:46:06.560
Actually, there's actually though, like the hormones that are released when you're pregnant
02:46:10.000
and, and everything actually tend to keep a woman young.
02:46:13.800
When she, when she has children, keep, keeps them young.
02:46:20.140
So the argument is never have an abortion and it doesn't matter like how old you are,
02:46:27.760
Well, I would say, yes, definitely never have an abortion.
02:46:32.040
Look, I'm just, the reason I brought those up is those were two examples.
02:46:36.920
Like that first girl, I'm not saying this to be mean.
02:46:41.600
The second girl, a little better looking than the first one.
02:46:46.680
I think y'all are gassed up when it comes to how attractive y'all think you are.
02:46:52.600
And then the guy who's actually your looks equivalent, you're passing him up.
02:46:57.620
And it's, to me, it's just like, it's crazy to get up, get on TikTok and be like, oh, these
02:47:07.460
I wouldn't even give them a shot when they're your equivalent.
02:47:12.480
If you're passing up men who are your equivalent, you're just chasing after, because here's
02:47:17.880
Remember how I was saying, it's easy for women to get sex.
02:47:23.040
Like you could be an average chick and fuck a really attractive dude.
02:47:33.000
You're sleeping with a dude who you want commitment from.
02:47:39.920
Probably not like you're, you're fucking outside of your league.
02:47:52.300
But what about how you guys said a man is more commonly going to be with a average
02:47:57.680
It's like a really attractive dude than a woman.
02:47:59.720
But that's the thing that women will tend to be able to look outside of their league.
02:48:04.560
They're hypergamous daters, which means that they look above in terms of the social hierarchy
02:48:09.040
because they want a guy who earns more than them, is obviously bigger, stronger, more
02:48:12.840
competent, can look after them, can protect them.
02:48:15.460
And women, and men, sorry, we tend to be okay with looking down a little bit as long as she
02:48:21.560
And there's a lot that comes with respect, but just for the short answer, as long as they
02:48:31.060
You feel like you could lead somebody that's making less?
02:48:33.980
If you're a woman, you definitely should try and make a man feel dominant.
02:48:38.080
And even if it's just in everyday life, oh, I can't get this from the top.
02:48:46.040
All of that sort of stuff makes men feel respected.
02:48:48.780
And yeah, but this is the thing, like dominance can be obviously associated with negative connotations
02:48:56.520
because, you know, if you're dominant in a negative way, then you're going to be sort
02:49:02.320
But if you're dominant in a way that you can still have the person's best interests in
02:49:13.260
And so, you know, like when you were saying that, I'm like, I think that is why women
02:49:16.320
do tend to look for someone, like you said, that is in a hierarchy than, you know, other
02:49:22.220
Or maybe if they see a man that's on their level, that's why they're looking like, oh,
02:49:30.180
Like if they're looking at a man like who they're saying statistically, like look wise,
02:49:35.360
financial wise, whatever, y'all are compatible, like you're on the same level.
02:49:38.840
But women are looking at them, like looking down is because that aspect of wanting someone
02:49:43.680
that's smarter or more financially stable or something like that's going to teach me
02:49:48.600
But the problem that it highlights, though, is that with dating apps, this has changed
02:49:52.460
the way that men and men and women interact in the intersexual dynamics completely.
02:49:56.700
Because if you're a woman in the olden days, what you would have to do is you would have
02:50:05.620
But nowadays, if you log on to a dating app or if you're on Instagram and you have an
02:50:10.460
open profile and you post cute photos and you do some sort of cursory marketing of yourself
02:50:15.460
and you can have guys from all around the world sort of sliding into your DMs and then
02:50:22.100
You're going to look to the very top of that pool to the guys that you like the most and
02:50:29.320
And then anything below that is not going to interest you.
02:50:32.160
And then what's worse is that when you get older and you date a guy who you consider
02:50:36.580
below, you'll end up thinking, you know, Kevin's nice, but Jermichael, the quarterback,
02:50:44.360
he was really good back in the day when I was in my 20s.
02:50:52.860
It's when you've experienced the alpha male in the past and then you're with another guy
02:50:57.660
and he doesn't have those same sort of traits, whether it be like sexually or his charisma
02:51:04.260
I think that's honestly a massive reason why a lot of marriages don't work these days
02:51:07.340
is because of the experiences that people have.
02:51:10.880
And then they end up pining for somebody in their past or aspects of different people.
02:51:16.020
Well, I think that when it comes to divorces, it comes down to the way that men and women
02:51:21.160
are designed and the way they communicate with each other.
02:51:23.480
Because women and men, they tend to give what they want to receive.
02:51:28.500
And so there tends to be a lot of like conflict and struggle because men are expecting women
02:51:34.740
to, and women are expecting men to be a certain way that they're not.
02:51:46.800
Because we're just, we're having a vague conversation about marriage now.
02:51:49.620
He's talking about a phenomenon where if a woman, because you've only been with two
02:51:56.440
I mean, the guy you married, you were a virgin.
02:52:00.240
So you were not in a situation in your marriage to have been alpha widowed.
02:52:11.960
At some point in your past, you date a remarkable man.
02:52:20.360
Whatever the metric is, he doesn't give you commitment, but you date him for three months.
02:52:27.820
Then the guy who you can actually get commitment from doesn't meet any of those criteria.
02:52:35.740
Now you've had a taste of the good life, the good dick.
02:52:46.440
Because I'm disagreeing that he's saying that's a lot of the reasons why couples end in divorce.
02:52:51.420
And I'm saying I don't think that's a lot of the reasons why.
02:52:54.160
I don't think that they experience something better and now they always pine for that.
02:53:01.000
Why do you think that virgins stay together for longer than people who have slept around?
02:53:07.560
Well, I do because their pool has been exposed more.
02:53:14.880
So if you've got 10 ex-boyfriends and Jimmy was tall and Billy was handsome and Kevin was – I keep saying Kevin.
02:53:25.720
And then all of a sudden when you're settling down, you want all of those things in one man.
02:53:34.020
So do women settle when they find that mediocre man?
02:53:42.160
But it's actually the guy who's your equivalent.
02:53:46.880
Because women can get access to men sexually, maybe even like short-term sexual access to men that are outside of their league, they're like, oh, now this guy down here who is actually my equal, I've had this guy, but he won't commit to me.
02:54:05.000
It's like if you lived in a mansion all your life and then you go live in a shack, that's a – you're like, fuck, that mansion was way better.
02:54:20.360
We have to understand that we are – like those women, they got a reality check of this is their pool.
02:54:31.580
He's saying that's a factor of divorce and I just said I disagree.
02:54:34.020
Well, and one last thing on this like the widow concept.
02:54:44.880
I feel like we shouldn't even use it because it's just confusing.
02:54:47.440
I mean it's sort of like a red pill term, but basically just what it means is that you've had a guy or multiple guys who have certain characteristics and traits that you don't have in your guy that you actually settle down with.
02:55:01.260
So then it means that the woman's always pining for those traits that he doesn't have.
02:55:07.680
And then one thing here on this like in terms of the differentials, you might say like, oh, men can have that too.
02:55:15.880
Like if me or Jake steps to a girl that's outside of our league, instant rejection.
02:55:26.000
If I step to a girl and I'm like, I'm offering you sex.
02:55:34.700
I get nothing with a girl who's outside my league.
02:55:41.720
But as a girl, if you make yourself sexually available to a guy who's outside your league, maybe it's not the case every single time you're going to get it.
02:55:52.820
Chris Brown has fucked a lot of average girls, I'd say.
02:55:54.960
Like there's a lot of like NFL, NBA players that just be like hooking up with girls that they have no intention of ever having a relationship with.
02:56:10.240
And by the way, to your point, I'm not saying that it's the sole purpose for divorces.
02:56:15.180
Because I'm saying that it's, I think that in the modern world, considering the factors that we're talking about in terms of social media and the way that people date and they sort of play more fast and loose with sex and other intersexual dynamics, then that would be something that I think would be a major factor these days.
02:56:31.740
But you're saying that you believe that like communication and different values is a major reason or?
02:56:37.220
I think we're just having, we don't seek to understand the opposite sex.
02:56:49.980
But like the experiment that I ran at the start here when I asked you all what you would do in your job interview, you guys gave pretty bad answers.
02:56:58.060
You gave a pretty good answer, but the rest of you guys gave pretty bad answers.
02:57:01.500
And that actually shows that you guys don't really understand like what men actually want.
02:57:05.860
Like if you're put in that situation where you have to sell yourself, you actually don't know really how to sell yourself.
02:57:13.700
So if we want to acquire like a certain type of woman, which is very, very rare these days, then we have to really, really know the game.
02:57:22.160
We have to really understand how to achieve that.
02:57:25.300
Well, I mean, Natasha's position on this, she wrote some pre-show notes.
02:57:28.220
And if I've committed them to memory, you're talking about the table, what somebody brings to the table.
02:57:33.860
Natasha doesn't believe in, is that fair to say?
02:57:40.940
Well, you said that if a guy were to ask a woman what she brings to the table, she just brings herself.
02:57:50.540
No, I'm saying sort of to a point that I don't think if a man asks that question, they see the value in you to begin with if they're having to ask.
02:57:57.820
But I'm saying that a man who is super secure, let's say financially in his job, all of these things, it doesn't really matter what a woman brings to the table in terms of that if she brings the attributes he's looking for.
02:58:14.740
But if she brings the qualities that he's looking for, then that's enough for him.
02:58:18.820
So I don't think she has to be of a certain like looks or of a certain like financial caliber.
02:58:24.180
I think if she's bringing the attributes like the qualities within herself, then I don't think that it matters like what she does to bring to the physical table.
02:58:32.540
And so what you wrote in your notes was a man asking what you bring to the table is a major red flag.
02:58:38.780
Him asking something like that just reveals his cards that he isn't secure in where he is and that they harbor resentment for women.
02:58:47.120
Insecure men tend to think that women have an easier time.
02:58:49.760
And if I'm going to marry you, what will you provide for me?
02:58:54.180
Ballers will marry someone from any walk of life, a waitress.
02:58:58.720
So if he's a real provider and a man who's secure, he will not care about your standing because for the right man, all you will have to do is exist.
02:59:06.580
You can't see my qualities without that question.
02:59:09.940
But I think men who are asking, don't worry about it.
02:59:14.520
I think men who are asking what you bring to the table, they're not talking financially.
02:59:23.520
They're saying, like, what you bring to the table outside of that.
02:59:28.800
Well, I'm saying in, like, a financial sense when I think men try to say, like, oh, where are you at in your career?
02:59:34.380
So when you're saying about bringing to the table, you're talking about it in a financial sense.
02:59:40.360
Okay, well, I would actually agree with you then that men won't tend to care.
02:59:44.620
But when we're talking about what you bring to the table, though, it's sort of like the experiment that we ran before where I said what qualities and attributes and what makes you different from other women.
02:59:53.520
I think that's what is more important to a man.
02:59:55.920
Like, I'm saying if it's a financial question, I don't think that matters at all to a man, really.
03:00:07.860
But, like, let's say that when the guy asks that question, what do you bring to the table, but he's not thinking about finances at all, do you think that then it's a fair question?
03:00:18.780
Yeah, I would just, I would ask, sorry, I would ask for a specification, like, what they mean in terms of what I bring to the table, if they meant, like, financial stability or if they meant attributes, because I do think attributes matter in what you bring to the table on both ends.
03:00:30.820
But I don't think, at least for a man, that the financial standing of a woman is that important compared to their physical and personal attributes.
03:00:38.340
All right, Natasha, you and me, we also have an agreement there.
03:00:43.400
I mean, it's probably good if she's not looking dead, like crazy dead or something.
03:00:49.880
If I think that you're somebody who, you know, is able to just get out of the bed in the morning and just do things, and if I have to go away, say we've got kids and I've got to go away for a week for work, you're like, cool, I'm going to hold it down at home.
03:01:02.900
That's why when I see these sort of, like, pampered princesses who just want to sit around all day and be provided for, it's like, no, thank you.
03:01:09.440
No, you've got to pull your weight and show that you can hold it down, you know?
03:01:17.980
Yeah, if you're the provider, then it implies authority.
03:01:20.840
And also, I don't want my wife one day going to work for another man, because obviously, I don't think that there's any position, there's any time when it's actually appropriate for your wife.
03:01:29.740
To be going and having close relationships with a man who's in authority, in a position of authority with her.
03:01:45.420
Like, because, like, if, like, say, like, you were, like, just starting out dating, and, like, if I made more than the dude I was talking to or whatever, it don't make sense.
03:01:54.120
Like, if I'm already providing for myself to go 50-50, because he can, you know, in turn, soon, hopefully make more.
03:02:02.460
But what if he asks you on the date, you still want to be the person to pay for the date he wanted to take you on?
03:02:09.480
It was if you would go 50-50, so I'm assuming that we were already in a relationship, in a point that we'd want to live together, or, you know, be in that part where we're partners.
03:02:18.200
Because that's what 50-50 is to me, is, like, partners.
03:02:26.060
50-50? Cool with it? Not cool with it? 50-50? 50-50?
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And then what about, who should pay on the first date, the man or the woman?
03:02:43.220
Have you ever, have you asked a guy out on the first date?
03:03:06.640
Natasha, I know you have a hyphenated last name.
03:03:10.620
Are you going to want to hyphenate with your future husband?
03:03:14.040
No, I want to get rid of both of my last names and take his name.
03:03:21.540
Do you want, will you take your husband's last name?
03:03:25.480
So, no, you won't take his, you'll hyphenate it.
03:03:29.780
Well, honestly, I could, because my last name is Trinidad.
03:03:33.300
So, like, I like my, like, I love, it's part of my artist name, it's part of my name,
03:03:44.980
Cruzan, like, my, I'm from St. Croix, like, Virgin Islands, so my nationality is Cruzan.
03:03:51.020
No, we speak Cruzan, but, yeah, no, I'm Puerto Rican, though.
03:04:31.080
Well, that's the problem with the hyphenation thing.
03:04:33.000
If everybody did it, then, like, once you go far, it's like 16 last names.
03:04:41.420
It's such a kick in the nuts to your husband to not take his last name.
03:04:44.520
The reason I'm hyphenated is because my mom was already a practicing lawyer when she got
03:04:49.520
married, and all of her documentation was just how handy.
03:04:52.240
So, she wanted to hyphenate it to make it easier.
03:05:00.120
Look, you guys want a guy to pay for the first date?
03:05:06.240
Like, you can't have it like, I want a man to be traditional, but you won't even take
03:05:21.480
No, I said if I got it and he doesn't, or if I was making more money than him.
03:05:36.320
I work with a lot of big artists and stuff like that.
03:05:39.280
But I mean, you still said you want the guy to, maybe you're 50-50, but you want the
03:05:42.800
guy to pay for the first date or first couple of dates.
03:05:44.900
Yeah, because she had said, like, if he asked you on a date, and I was like, well, yeah,
03:05:51.260
Of all the dates you've been on, what's the breakdown?
03:05:58.540
But I haven't really been on really, like, a lot of traditional dates.
03:06:01.940
But what if you had a family and kids, would you still be rapping and talking about,
03:06:18.260
Honestly, I really do be trying to make it fair.
03:06:28.940
Oh, since we have everybody at the table, from the 10, the 10, the 11, and the 10,
03:06:43.880
I don't, I think it's more than looks, because you, you know, you're doing the other stuff.
03:06:50.540
I, looks for you, I started out at 5, but then you got to know me, and now I'm a 0.
03:07:02.040
Honestly, I'll give you one point higher than you gave yourself.
03:07:12.060
I mean, the old you that, or, like, you right now.
03:07:21.640
You're, like, not for me, but, like, I feel like a lot of women would like you.
03:07:29.040
Wait, so I'm a 7 when I was younger or 7 right now?
03:07:56.180
We're going to do, Milena, why don't you also rate me?
03:08:11.800
She's going to give me a low number because we argued earlier.
03:08:29.320
Yeah, like, you're not my type at all, but, like, just...
03:09:01.060
I said you are more than 6 if you weren't just looks-wise.
03:09:10.360
You seem like you have a nice head on your shoulders.
03:09:14.200
Like, you can be a husband to somebody and, like, take care of people and not murder them.
03:09:42.540
Do you think it would be a mismatch if you and me dated, looks-wise?
03:09:45.960
Like, if people saw you and me together, they'd be like,
03:09:49.260
oh, my God, she really is doing that guy a favor.
03:10:03.480
Some of those music videos, they've got some stuff that they pulled out from the back trash can in those music videos.
03:10:44.860
Put it on Twitch and put it on Twitch so the stream can see.
03:11:57.960
So, to be fair, to be fair, I need to lose a bit of weight.
03:12:19.700
Between me and the girl with the orange tinted glasses.
03:13:09.520
Yeah, but bro, you said you were an 8, so you're like settling for me, bro.
03:13:14.960
I feel like we're probably like looks match, you know what I'm saying?
03:13:21.580
Are we looks, me and Milena, are we looks match?
03:13:38.980
No, but if they wanted to be mean, they'd be like, nah, Brian, you don't even look her way, bro.
03:13:55.380
Wait, yo, yo, yo, chat, chat, chat, chat, chat.
03:14:33.380
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time?
03:14:39.320
Will you be better looking at 40 than you are now at 30?
03:14:58.360
Yeah, because, you know, black don't crack, so.
03:15:13.460
You're going to be like for cocaine or some shit?
03:15:15.020
No, I thought you said 10 years, and then I just realized you said 20.
03:15:26.900
Just to be clear, women can be beautiful, 30, 40, 50.
03:15:31.360
I'm just saying like compared to how you look now.
03:15:36.260
I'm just saying, will you be more attractive in 10 years, 20 years, et cetera?
03:15:40.820
Okay, in 10 years, I think I could still be about equal.
03:15:44.600
Yeah, and then like 20 years, I think I'm going to be more attractive now than later.
03:15:52.580
If we go back 10 years, were you better looking at 22 versus now 32?
03:15:58.540
I would say I looked very different, but I think it's equal.
03:16:04.820
Yeah, like thicker, like more ass, more, yeah, like, yeah.
03:16:08.980
So I was like more thick there, but I was always like in shape and stuff, so I just was bigger on the downward part.
03:16:52.340
Ah, yes, I'll have more money, maybe plastic surgery.
03:17:08.800
But, oh, you'll have more money for the plastic surgery.
03:17:13.020
I thought you were just saying I have more, like men don't care about that shit.
03:17:15.840
Like I'll have more money and, you know, I'll have maybe a little nip and talk here and there.
03:17:25.480
What if you didn't have that, like the plastic surgery though?
03:17:35.100
Because you're not struggling as much and you're not constantly like, you know, you take care of yourself better.
03:17:50.100
The average life expectancy is like 70, 80 or something.
03:18:04.600
I was like insulting everybody's looks and shit.
03:18:07.220
Now you got to make it a little negative and shit.
03:18:20.200
Were you better looking at 25, 10 years ago at 25?
03:18:25.460
You are 25, better looking in 10 years' time at 35?
03:18:29.680
You're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32.
03:18:34.380
More as opposed to your current prepubescent body?
03:18:40.000
I would hope to have like kids by then so I think my ities will get bigger.
03:18:44.880
Wait, I thought you said that having a baby destroys your body.
03:18:55.880
I'm also a personal trainer, so I think if I keep being consistent in the gym, I'm just
03:19:15.900
Darkavia, 23, better looking in 10 years' time.
03:19:23.660
It's actually pretty reasonable answers on this one.
03:19:27.080
Some people be saying, we've had panelists say, oh, I'll be better looking at 72 versus
03:19:48.860
Brian would be settling for any of these women.
03:20:21.620
I'll only rate you guys if you each individually give me the green light to do it.
03:20:46.660
So, I think we'll do split and then, like, move it around as I go around.
03:21:18.160
I'm going to say three and a half now, four and a half.
03:21:41.560
I said my average man, if I was in a room with a thousand men,
03:22:30.480
I, as a gentleman, I refuse to do that, but you guys gave me the green light.
03:22:36.080
Like, she's a beautiful girl and you're already brainwashing her to be like, I'm humble.
03:22:48.460
Yeah, but not to the point where it's like low self-esteem.
03:22:51.840
No, like, I'm definitely a 10 in my eyes, but eyes of men, it could be different.
03:23:18.260
If I had rated you higher, if I had given you a higher rating.
03:23:22.600
After the show, she would have hocked you at it.
03:23:25.960
She would have thought about it, but now the thought is gone.
03:23:42.320
Oh, let's get, we got to get through the notes.
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Because we didn't even get through all of Jillian.
03:23:48.280
So I'm going to try to get through these quick.
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You said, you think women are a major part in setting the tone for how emotionally healthy
03:23:58.280
I hope you wholeheartedly believe that if a woman has not communicated her need or want
03:24:05.460
to her man, she cannot complain or expect him to act or do something when all she did
03:24:11.500
was roll her eyes and expect him to know what she's thinking.
03:24:15.280
Yeah, I think it goes back to what I was saying before about how men and women communicate
03:24:19.100
But I think the problem starts with the woman not like being a little bit more gracious.
03:24:31.400
We, you know, we, we have all of those qualities and they can very easily turn the man off to
03:24:38.040
them if they don't, um, are able, if they're not able to communicate those thoughts and feelings.
03:24:44.020
You also wrote, you have a disagreement with me about my viewpoint on why I don't want
03:24:52.620
You have to put in equally and you have to be committed when that happens.
03:24:56.340
When people are that, that's when people are the happiest in marriage.
03:24:59.780
I say that it's incentivized for a woman to divorce a man when they get older.
03:25:04.500
There's some stuff like when she's 45 kids trying to divorce her husband because she's
03:25:10.660
She's not as young and attractive as she was at 20.
03:25:13.440
Even if she gets his money, she'll be lonely and unfulfilled as she abandoned her roles
03:25:19.640
Uh, you said women and men need to have principle and to stand by what they believe, even if they
03:25:25.660
So if Brian says a woman will not love him unconditionally and will eventually leave him, that will probably
03:25:30.920
be a self-fulfilling prophecy and he won't experience true love and contentment.
03:25:35.040
Uh, so you disagree with my anti-marriage positions.
03:25:38.460
How do you reconcile your positions here though?
03:25:43.380
You yourself are a divorcee who initiated the divorce and you mentioned unconditional love,
03:25:48.640
but it appears to me that there were conditions in which your love ceased to exist for your
03:25:57.880
So do you believe in unconditional love to start?
03:26:04.380
So you were mistaken to have divorced your husband?
03:26:12.820
I had the right to do it, but I think I was at a different mindset and a different belief
03:26:20.500
And, um, I don't live in a way that, oh, if I did it over again, what's done is done.
03:26:26.940
But I guess my confusion here, and I know that not all relationships pan out the way in which
03:26:33.060
yours did, given my anti-marriage positions, couldn't I just use your own, like you as
03:26:40.520
an example, because you said, well, love him unconditionally.
03:26:44.400
And you're saying that because I don't believe in unconditional love, what if I marry a woman
03:26:49.240
who is not at this sort of, uh, what's the word?
03:27:03.060
A man who has not reached the level of post-divorce enlightenment that you've, uh, arrived at.
03:27:10.920
Uh, what happens when I marry that woman and then she divorces me?
03:27:15.480
Yeah, I think it, yeah, it's a very careful choice you have to make because, um, it should
03:27:25.440
What were the, but so you would love a man unconditionally?
03:27:38.360
So we can take it to some pretty big extremes right now.
03:27:41.560
Well, there are, there are biblical reasons to, to end it.
03:27:46.040
Like, I, I don't want to get caught in the weeds here, but I think you're, my position now and
03:27:53.120
the, and the way you view marriage is because, um, because you haven't found someone that is,
03:28:03.200
that you are looking at and saying, I don't want to lose this person.
03:28:13.600
You just said, I don't want to lose this person.
03:28:21.040
Like, do you think unconditional love can exist prior to marriage?
03:28:32.680
I will only love you this much unless we get married.
03:28:36.100
I think there's an, uh, a vulnerability and a, a trust and a loyalty that sets in when you
03:28:41.940
marry someone that you might not experience outside of marriage because there's always.
03:28:50.740
Then I don't know if you can unconditionally love someone outside of marriage because.
03:28:55.600
But once marriage exists, then, uh, unconditional love can exist.
03:29:05.940
I think that when you're talking about unconditional love, the only time that you can really sort
03:29:12.340
I think the love you have for a child is much different than a spouse.
03:29:15.480
Like, if you found out, and this is, we won't go deep into this, obviously, but that your
03:29:19.540
husband had been diddling kids for 10 years and you had no idea, you, you, you'd get out
03:29:26.700
of there pretty quickly and you wouldn't look back.
03:29:31.920
Um, but I think marriage is supposed to be a picture of Christ in the church.
03:29:35.640
So Christ's love for the church is unconditional and marriage is supposed to picture that.
03:29:42.880
But even within the church, you can get an annulment if there's violence or if there's,
03:29:48.040
So even within like the, the Christian purview, you can, you can get a divorce for those reasons.
03:29:56.160
I think there's a, I think it's a semantic problem with the word unconditional, which
03:30:01.260
But I'm, I'm just confused with the whole condition stuff.
03:30:03.880
Jake raises a good point that we can all, we don't need to state them, but we, I'm sure
03:30:08.680
we could think of like scenarios where like there's really abusive behavior either towards
03:30:15.960
you or to a child or to an, and like we could think of like monstrous behavior.
03:30:23.800
Like unconditional love would mean that despite monstrous behavior, you would stay with this
03:30:30.520
Cause like my point of view, whether you're religious or not religious, I think if somebody
03:30:35.220
is like, there's severely abusive or monstrous behavior, that's grounds, even theologically
03:30:44.560
that would be grounds for, I'm not an expert in.
03:30:47.320
I think what my position is ideally it's unconditional because it's, it's a picture of what we believe
03:30:59.320
And that's why it says in Matthew from the beginning, it wasn't so, but because of the
03:31:07.160
So you say that it'll probably be a self-fulfilling profit, a self-fulfilling for me.
03:31:11.920
And I won't experience true love and contentment because, uh, I don't think a woman will love
03:31:18.260
me unconditionally and could eventually leave me.
03:31:22.940
I think if you tell yourself something over and over again, then you're just going to believe
03:31:27.200
But so why would it be, um, I mean, I'm not sure I'd totally follow the logic for like, for
03:31:31.920
example, do you think that women who take precautions for safety reasons prior to like
03:31:37.720
going out on a date with men, like maybe meeting them in a public place, that if you think this,
03:31:44.340
And if you take the precautions that it's going to mean that it's going to happen to you.
03:31:48.700
And there's a difference between smart and then having that, that, that, uh, preconceived
03:31:55.480
like repetitive thought going through your head.
03:31:59.220
So my concern with marriage is there are legitimate risks when it comes to, uh, money, when it
03:32:07.700
And I think because of what you believe, that's really valid because I don't know, um, the,
03:32:13.360
the kind of, I don't really know the kind of women that you date.
03:32:17.180
So maybe the, the kind of women that you date, that's, that's a hundred percent valid.
03:32:20.960
What if I told you, I only date beautiful, amazing women who are the most sweetest, nicest
03:32:32.180
Like for example, in the relationship you have, did he change?
03:32:39.140
So just to be clear, you didn't you like, wasn't there like abuse in your marriage?
03:32:43.980
You just, you chose to get married to an abuse.
03:32:48.320
We didn't live together until, no, we didn't live together until I didn't know.
03:32:52.660
There were, there were signs that he was, I ignored those signs, but he never actually
03:33:00.960
Would you advocate for me to live together with a woman prior to marriage?
03:33:07.540
So what if I marry a woman and I haven't lived with her and then post marriage, she starts
03:33:12.700
Well, again, I think that's why you have to really get to know the person.
03:33:16.160
I'm not saying you should get married with someone after knowing them for a week.
03:33:21.880
Or like a couple of months, you know, like make sure you really know the person.
03:33:26.620
Can I ask from a, um, from Brian's worldview, he's not necessarily, I don't think you're
03:33:33.120
I have, I, I'm not Christian, but I have like pro Christian sentiments.
03:33:39.600
Um, it's more so like I'm agnostic, but like, I'm not like there's, do you believe, do you
03:33:54.480
I'm like, there's a lot of positive with religion.
03:33:59.020
I think there's like a lot of like truth in like, uh, Bible verses and stuff.
03:34:05.940
Um, and I have positive sentiments towards the faith.
03:34:13.280
So from that point of view, would you say that largely these days that marriage is considered
03:34:19.400
a religious institution or like a political institution or a government institution?
03:34:25.340
But do you think that like, like the wide consensus amongst people generally is that
03:34:31.580
that's a religious sacrament or do you think that it's just something that you do to sort
03:34:37.020
I think it's socially like more common for people to get married too, but I do think it's
03:34:44.780
Well, I guess the reason that I ask is because the way I view it these days is that for the
03:34:49.580
most part, the idea of marriage itself being a union ordained by God has been completely
03:34:55.320
corrupt to the point where now it's viewed as like a secular government institution where
03:35:01.820
So from the secular perspective, when that's all it is, what's actually the point in getting
03:35:08.580
If you don't believe that it's something that's ordained by God and that it comes with
03:35:11.920
those strict parameters, I think it's not opening yourself up to live a vulnerable and full
03:35:20.400
I think when you do lock it in with that person for life, you're opening yourself up to a
03:35:26.200
huge amount of vulnerability and trust and loyalty.
03:35:28.800
And by not doing that, you're kind of just only half doing it and you're not really getting
03:35:35.160
But like, if you are like a Christian, like you say you are, and I'm going to say you
03:35:40.100
are, why would you want people to get married who don't believe in the sacraments?
03:35:45.720
I don't think there's any point in them getting married except to live a full, like to experience
03:35:52.480
But why would you encourage someone to get married if they did not want to do it through
03:35:55.580
the church or if they didn't want to do it in a way that actually represents what
03:36:00.340
Well, our society was built on the family unit.
03:36:05.240
So you're looking at it more of a utilitarian sort of perspective.
03:36:08.060
It's like the utility of people having a nuclear family and having a two-parent household is
03:36:12.560
good for society rather than it being that marriage is actually something that's ordained
03:36:17.260
by God and that we have to stick to those parameters.
03:36:19.760
I think that that kind of makes sense from your perspective.
03:36:23.800
But from the secularist perspective, I actually can't really even see a good reason to get
03:36:29.800
If you look at it as the secular sort of institution that it's sort of become these days, I mean,
03:36:36.780
And if you don't believe in that sort of spiritual side of it, then I can sort of see Brian's
03:36:41.560
That argument of like, well, if it is good for society and we're not doing it because
03:36:47.480
it's a huge risk, isn't that the same argument that women take when it comes to having kids?
03:36:52.380
Like it's good for society, but it's a big risk for them.
03:36:56.580
So you're saying that men shouldn't get married if they don't have religious beliefs because
03:37:05.760
It doesn't really mean anything because marriage is something that's a religious sacrament.
03:37:08.980
Isn't that the same logic though when it comes to women having kids?
03:37:14.480
But then it puts them in a vulnerable position.
03:37:18.660
I mean, if they're having kids outside of wedlock, maybe.
03:37:21.260
Which most of the times they are because they're not getting married.
03:37:23.680
Yeah, but having kids is obviously good for society and you want it to be inside of a nuclear household.
03:37:29.100
Isn't like a nuclear family good for society too?
03:37:32.540
I'm not saying that from the utilitarian perspective that that isn't a correct point of view because it is a correct point of view to want people to get married and have kids.
03:37:40.020
But if you're looking at it from more of an individualistic perspective of what are my values, if you step into Brian's shoes for a second.
03:37:47.900
Isn't that the problem though that we're so individualistic?
03:37:50.960
It is a problem and I'm saying ideally that everybody would be getting married and it would be like a religious sacrament and everything.
03:37:57.560
But if you actually had to step into his shoes for a second and think, I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in marriage as it should be necessarily.
03:38:07.560
I don't think he has any reason to get married except that it would be good for society and all that.
03:38:13.560
But if he doesn't want to get married, he's not going to get married and I don't have anything against that.
03:38:20.760
Well, we won't linger too long on this one, but you also wrote when it comes to atheists being opposed to marriage, it just means that they don't have the balls, trust or loyalty to lock it in with that person for life.
03:38:37.540
Yeah, I kind of talked about that with Jake when you were up, but...
03:38:41.180
Oh, I mean, I was listening to everything, but I mean, so when it comes to the whole having kids family, you can have a monogamous for life relationship with a woman.
03:39:05.340
Do people have like kids and stay with each other without marriage all the time?
03:39:17.920
Then wouldn't this just be evidence that even with marriage, like most of them end?
03:39:25.640
You're saying, well, oh, what's the statistics?
03:39:28.560
I'll just throw right back in your face the statistics when it comes to marriage, which are like...
03:39:37.220
And it's worse if you look at it from a secularist because the Christians are sort of like,
03:39:40.520
holding up the fort in the sense that they don't get divorced as much.
03:39:44.160
But then if you looked at just the secularists and especially liberal women who are college
03:39:50.980
Yeah, it's a much deeper issue than marriage for sure.
03:39:53.580
But I mean, I can have kids, don't need marriage.
03:40:09.540
I mean, you're always just going to have the option to dip.
03:40:13.940
But in a marriage, you always have the option to dip.
03:40:19.060
So like we're staying together because it's harder for us to leave each other.
03:40:25.620
I think you should stay with them because you made the choice.
03:40:28.000
Also, it's like you go to the courthouse, get the divorce.
03:40:44.000
Wait, just to be clear, you think like an hour on the phone with an attorney, like that's.
03:40:53.020
I think people should try and work through their marriages.
03:41:00.320
And I'll open it up to any of the panel if you guys want to weigh in.
03:41:04.740
I could give you a bunch of reasons why I don't want to get married, but I'd actually rather hear.
03:41:09.660
Why should I, as a man, like give me a compelling reason why I should get married?
03:41:29.900
And they're like, fuck if I know the car kind of sucks.
03:41:38.200
There's actually a study from Harvard that says that men that don't get married are way more miserable than women that don't get married.
03:41:45.560
Because you guys need, like, your mommy next to you.
03:41:50.760
But if you look at that, like, is it controlling for other variables?
03:42:01.020
Like, it's literally just looking at, like, okay, we're looking at all the unmarried men and all the married men.
03:42:08.080
Like, I mean, is it because they're married that they're living longer?
03:42:13.400
If you look at married versus unmarried men, I think that generally you tend to see a higher level of, like, risk taking from unmarried men and, like, personality traits that would put them, make them a little bit more edgy.
03:42:24.240
And you'd see a lot of guys who are sort of normie would, would be more likely to get married.
03:42:29.280
Wait, and I don't know if this is factored into the statistics, but couldn't you, like, make the argument that they're, like, men who have made it to the point where they do get married?
03:42:41.940
Indeed, it's not factoring in people who, like, but then this would also factor in, like, men who are married who, like, die in some, like, freak fucking accident.
03:42:52.860
I was going to say, like, the unmarried men never got married, so maybe they, never mind, that's a terrible argument.
03:42:59.620
Wait, so do you think marriage is obsolete now?
03:43:07.580
Unfortunately, that's something that's been imposed upon society, though.
03:43:14.720
I was just going to say that I think if you're going back to what a marriage should be, if people actually upheld on both ends what they should be providing in the marriage and what they're expecting the partner to be providing for them, then I think our divorce rates would be a lot lower.
03:43:29.920
But because of how modern dating and modern relationships and the dynamics of the modern world factoring into marriages is why it doesn't work.
03:43:39.600
I think, like, for men, I don't think it's beneficial.
03:43:44.120
Like, back in the day, it used to be, like, a transactional thing.
03:43:49.480
They wanted sons because a son holds the last name and, you know, like, that's how you keep your land or your titles, things like that.
03:43:55.720
Your daughter was, like, property that was, you know, kind of sold.
03:44:02.040
So I feel like marriage back then and stuff was, like –
03:44:04.840
Actually, marriage, the reason why people have gotten married throughout history, like, the most common reason is for in-laws to marry into families and to have a higher social status.
03:44:16.440
Yeah, that was my point of what I was getting at.
03:44:19.340
It's, like, back then it was – like, even nowadays it's still transactional in a sense for, like, men because, like, they are taking more of the risks than, like, us women do more times, more often than not.
03:44:51.160
You say, Jill, you think OnlyFans and any S-work should be illegal and banned.
03:44:57.360
Women are being served a big, fat lie that through feminism they can have it all.
03:45:01.820
They will never be truly fulfilled or find meaningful purpose to life if they buy into the feminist ideology.
03:45:09.500
Okay, and then you also say, I guess, moving on, women don't try and understand men.
03:45:12.860
If we did, we would stop seeing them as a problem but more of a prize.
03:45:21.060
Going to Callie with our notes here, and then we got to do the age thing, if you can remind me, Damien.
03:45:39.900
And then, like, 12 hours after, I go to get a charger in his room, like, my phone charger.
03:45:46.460
There's this tiny Mexican girl on top of him with a huge yes.
03:45:55.400
Okay, so you went to the toilet, and in that time that you went to the toilet.
03:46:07.300
Oh, no, she got there after, like a gremlin during the night.
03:46:13.940
No, they were seeing each other, but apparently this girl goes around and pegs a bunch of dudes.
03:46:23.940
So you went to the bathroom, you walked in on the guy who you just slept with getting pegged by a Mexican lady?
03:46:29.820
Yes, hence, shaved my head, thought the universe was over.
03:46:45.520
And then I Googled it, and a lot of people are into it.
03:46:57.000
So we had sex the night before, and I slept there.
03:47:00.100
And when I wake up, I slept in a different room because I don't like to sleep with strangers.
03:47:09.720
And then when I wake up, 12 hours or whatever, the next day, I go to get my charger,
03:47:15.000
and it's like 9 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday.
03:47:17.500
And I was like, oh, my God, it's Sunday morning.
03:47:42.220
Because now every, like, five out of six guys are into it in L.A.
03:47:50.220
Do you seem like you'd knock around weird circles, though?
03:47:54.340
You know, I try not to, but the weirdos are everywhere.
03:47:58.980
I mean, L.A. is full of absolute freaks and weirdos.
03:48:12.300
I lived in one of the most liberal places in the world, in London, in Hackney Wick,
03:48:17.700
And they're all just freaks, all these people, that are, like, really sort of, like, artistic
03:48:24.880
Yeah, and I thought I was cool, because I, you know, I'm an artist, but I'm not that
03:48:33.780
So you can wear the glasses, but you won't, you know.
03:48:48.160
But then it's like, don't say you're straight after that.
03:48:50.580
You will never be straight after that in my eyes.
03:48:54.300
It's a bunch of, like, little liberal TikTok streamers.
03:48:56.220
Apparently, they're all into that sort of stuff.
03:48:59.560
Um, you said, you said that you'd love to do it more.
03:49:05.620
You'd love to do it more, but people suck at dates now.
03:49:19.280
I was like, let me just get into the move of whatever.
03:49:26.440
He starts arguing about some conversation we had on the phone.
03:49:38.440
Is he, what, what, white guy, black guy, Latino?
03:49:43.640
Yeah, I would have thought he would be straight in there.
03:50:05.400
Okay, role play as a tall, beautiful, chocolate man who went to prison.
03:50:28.620
Look into this camera and apologize to black people.
03:50:32.240
He did time, which is what I liked him to begin with.
03:50:39.420
Because I have that, obviously you guys thought I was a lesbian when I first said that.
03:50:47.360
So I got to go for even more masculine men, I think.
03:50:50.980
But then those men, I don't know if they're afraid of me.
03:51:04.820
You just want to, you want a doggy style of dude.
03:51:08.120
You got, how many, how many strap-ons do you have?
03:51:16.480
But then they think that I, you know, I'm into the other stuff.
03:51:25.520
And at that point I was just so turned off because he made me wait like two hours.
03:51:49.600
How about you elevate the, elevate the intellect.
03:51:51.760
That's the special level of this conversation, Milena.
03:52:04.000
I just don't think that like all liberal men want to get pegged.
03:52:11.740
Liberal men, 99% of them want, want dildos in and around.
03:52:29.520
Yeah, liberal men like to do that by getting pegged.
03:52:33.800
No, but if a man asked me, I'd probably be down.
03:52:38.520
I can imagine you with some little, some little Chinese guy.
03:52:46.760
Does the guy who wants to get pegged like provide the thing?
03:52:51.560
That girl had a book bag full of like stuff in there.
03:53:03.400
Because you said he came over and started arguing.
03:53:15.240
Honestly, bro, I would pass up some pussy if she was two hours late.
03:53:47.220
I think being late in general is disrespectful.
03:53:52.020
No, because I saw a man getting pegged and I was, it was very upsetting.
03:53:56.940
Like this guy was the, to me, he was like a king.
03:53:59.560
And then to see the king getting pegged, it was just, I was like, what is life?
03:54:03.220
Can I say this is like one of your most traumatic experiences?
03:54:09.620
I think that's why I was so annoyed because I'm like, I wish that was my most traumatic.
03:54:14.420
Imagine like that being what makes you have a mental breakdown.
03:54:20.620
I wish you'd been dating this dude for a month and then like she goes to the bathroom, comes
03:54:50.600
You've never like accidentally pressed on like the wrong porn video or something.
03:54:56.900
Like if you've seen it, why did it like traumatize you so much that you shaved?
03:55:06.780
But then I went and did some research after I saw it and went down the rabbit hole of the
03:55:15.180
Like the couples that get older and keep doing the pegging.
03:55:38.420
If the hottest girl ever, if she's two hours late.
03:56:00.660
So if you got it after you made somebody wait two hours, what does that say?
03:56:09.520
She's a wonderful woman who's considerate of my.
03:56:41.800
Callie, you said you miss when men were nice to women because they wanted slash needed
03:56:50.600
But you know how, you know, back in the 50s when we're talking about like marriage and
03:56:59.560
I feel like back then they were nicer to us because the vagina was more, I don't even know
03:57:08.540
how to say it, but you know how stock, the stock market is just like when something goes
03:57:17.240
And it's just like, oh, you bought me a coffee?
03:57:20.740
Like, it's just like, we're just giving it out.
03:57:22.660
The value, you're saying the value of pussy has gone down.
03:57:35.100
And so you don't feel the need to be nice to us anymore.
03:57:37.660
Because it's like, oh, well, I can just treat her like shit and she still gave me the
03:57:52.700
Because even if you try to be like, oh, like, I'm not going to give it up or something like
03:57:56.700
Like, I want to have some self-respect on the first date or something.
03:58:01.420
Like, some girls are just like, yeah, fuck you.
03:58:12.240
Okay, so there's a 90-day method of when girls wait 90 days before sleeping with a man that
03:58:18.960
And how would you feel if you knew about the 90-day method and a woman took upon herself
03:58:36.600
But she's trying to build her self-confidence back because she did sleep around, you know?
03:58:41.160
Like, if she did do that and she was just like, yeah, I need to change my ways.
03:58:46.880
So, like, would you, like, wait, would you wait?
03:58:48.780
The market is too flooded with pussy, as she said.
03:58:55.020
Okay, hypothetically, what if she was doing 90 days with everybody that she slept with?
03:59:37.540
It's like, it's got to be 90 for the first guy, 75 for the next, 60.
03:59:43.300
But what if a girl, like, okay, let's say, like, she slept around, but she was always safe
03:59:52.820
You know, like, she took precautions into being, staying clean and doing all thingy thing.
04:00:01.800
Look, that's better than if she was letting a bunch of dudes hit raw.
04:00:06.460
But it's still, you know, what are you going to, like, ask?
04:00:08.920
Tell you what, I'll give, like, a one day, I'll give it one extra day per guy.
04:00:15.100
So, in a perfect world, would you rather have a virgin?
04:00:16.060
So, you're saying there's no redemption for a girl?
04:00:18.880
In a perfect world, would you rather have a virgin?
04:00:21.740
It's not, I don't, like, I'll date a girl who's not a virgin, but, like.
04:00:27.840
If you say, in a perfect world, would you like to have another man have fucked your girl?
04:00:36.260
I personally wouldn't care about a man that, I wouldn't really care about their past.
04:00:53.560
Also, it's, like, I think there's, like, a couple different angles here with the whole, like, the quality of the sex.
04:01:00.100
So, one, like, men are pretty simple to please.
04:01:06.120
Like, for example, here, let me ask you guys this.
04:01:10.980
Like, for, let me give my position first, then I'll ask the question.
04:01:14.540
So, I could put a girl in doggy style, and she could just stay there, and I could make myself cum.
04:01:23.420
Like, I could cum just like, and she doesn't have to do anything, just be in doggy style.
04:01:28.540
Can you guys make, and maybe some of you can, but I think it's much more rare in women.
04:01:33.540
If the guy's just laying there hard, or put him in whatever position you want, and you can't touch yourself,
04:01:40.500
can you make yourself cum just doing your own thing?
04:01:52.420
So, a man's sexual experience, when it comes to your pleasure, your climax, is going to matter more.
04:01:58.700
Because he has to actually do something to make you climax.
04:02:02.880
Now, some of y'all, or some women, can cum in, like, ten seconds, whatever.
04:02:10.760
The guy could just sit there, do nothing, and you can make yourself cum.
04:02:19.860
But it's not going to be, like, in ten seconds or something.
04:02:22.160
And it's not necessarily, like, if we didn't come, it's not that it didn't feel good.
04:02:26.180
Because some things can just feel good, and it might get you there.
04:02:29.460
But I feel like us, you have to stay on, like, a certain rhythm for a while.
04:02:33.500
Like, you guys, once you're nuts, it's like, okay, it's done.
04:02:35.960
But us, it's like, it can last, like, a little longer and stuff.
04:02:45.600
But, and then the other thing, like, a guy who has some degree of sexual experience, like, I mean, I don't know if you guys are trying to deal with dudes who aren't experienced.
04:02:56.300
And you got to, like, teach them how to fuck you.
04:02:59.040
I feel like most women, like, there's obvious certain things, like, you're going to maybe, there's certain things that you like.
04:03:07.240
But, like, you probably would prefer a guy who's, like, let's say he's really good in bed and he just gets it instantly.
04:03:13.580
Versus you got to be, like, you got to teach the guy how to fuck you.
04:03:16.960
I think you're going to prefer the guy who just gets it.
04:03:20.000
I think you'd be kind of turned off if you're, like, you're not really doing it right.
04:03:24.460
Whereas, like, as a guy, even if the girl has no idea what she's doing, if you know what you're doing as the guy, you can lead.
04:03:32.620
I'm not so sure if that's the case with, like, a really inexperienced guy in bed.
04:03:36.640
If you would even want it or if you can even, like, have good sex with a guy that you got to teach how to fuck you.
04:03:42.140
I feel like sometimes that ruins a guy's confidence in the, like, action of doing it more so than ours.
04:03:49.260
Like, because if you hit it in the right spot after we told you, it's not going to be any different from if you knew what you were doing and hit the right spot.
04:03:56.800
Because the right spot is going to feel like the right spot no matter if I told you how to get there or you knew how to get there yourself.
04:04:02.240
But telling a man, like, he ain't doing a good job while he's hitting it, like, you know, that's...
04:04:12.460
Like, it's more of a play for you guys than us.
04:04:14.580
Like, but it occurs to me, like, I don't know if a girl, like, if you got to kind of guide a girl, that would be more psychologically stimulating if she's just, like, like, if she's just, like, oh, been here, done this.
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Like, if she's never done doggy style and I'm the...
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That's why I think the girls who are less experienced, it's much, much more enjoyable sleeping with girls like that than girls who have had...
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Yeah, it's, like, the dynamic as well between the two of you.
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No, I mean, that makes sense from the guy perspective.
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I was thinking about, I think because I'm so submissive, I don't want to have to teach a guy what to do.
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And I think also when I marry someone, I want to know that, like, they got it out of their system, not, like, that they've only been with me.
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And so they're, like, I wish I experienced this or, like, I wish, you know.
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Do you find it unattractive if a guy has a high body count?
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Do you find it unattractive if a guy has a high body count or, like, you know that they're, like, sleeping all around kind of thing?
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I think if they're currently sleeping all around, I would find that unattractive.
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But if they had a high body count in the past, no.
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So, Brian, do you think it's girls with a high body count so they can't redeem themselves?
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Like, how you refer a virgin, but would you go for a girl that has a high body count but no longer is like that?
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Like, you know, like, there's no redeeming that.
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Like, you can't just, like, you will never be, like.
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I mean, anything above, like, I mean, it depends.
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I think these days, like, it's very common for girls to have, like, 20 plus.
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But for me, if there's ever been any hookups in the past or one night stands, it's automatically disqualified.
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Anything outside of relationships, that would be an automatic disqualification.
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But I'm saying with the woman, if I was dating a girl and she'd had, like, one night stands and all of that, I just would never go for it.
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But if she'd had a few boyfriends and they'd lasted a few years and she'd had sex with them, it wouldn't be that much of a problem.
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Even if I did answer you, it wouldn't even matter.
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I'm curious because I wonder if, like, like, why would it be okay if you've had one night stand to care if another woman has?
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Why is it okay for you to want a man who's over six foot tall if you're not over six foot tall?
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I mean, why is it okay for you to want a man to pay for the first date if you're not going to pay for the first date?
04:07:51.020
Right, so then why is it fair for you to want dominance in a man, but you're not dominant in yourself?
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You're saying in order for Jake to desire a woman who's not had a one night stand, it doesn't compute that he, like, just because he desires something in a partner doesn't mean that he has to meet that criteria.
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Otherwise, because there's asymmetry in what men and women like.
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But, no, but it's just like, and this is one of our questions here in the questionnaire, but, like, there's not symmetry between what men want and what women want, and I don't think you need to possess a trait in order to desire it.
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So you're not dominant, but you want a dominant guy.
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He wants a woman who's had no promiscuity in her past.
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Women want all kinds of things in men that they don't possess.
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Every girl here would probably date a professional athlete.
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Would any of you here, who here would date a billionaire?
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I don't think you need to possess the trait that you desire in a partner to want it.
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When it comes to female promiscuity, women who are not promiscuous, low body count, that's
04:09:44.700
I'm happy to take on the duty and the burden of being a provider, but then I would never
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It is a big, large duty, but you just never expect that in return.
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What would you recommend to a woman that has had like a promiscuous past to become a more
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Since they can't like fully redeem themselves, what would you recommend?
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Obviously, promiscuity and your past is one factor.
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And there are other things that you can seriously bring to a man's life.
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And there are going to be men who don't care as much about it.
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For me, it's just something that's really important.
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The reason why I asked that question before was the thing that I was getting to when we're
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asking about what you guys would do at the job interview for the man, for the high status
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man, is because there are a few things I always find it interesting to see girls' answers
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that you can do, that you can provide to a man that most women would never even really
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And it's like, if you look at a guy who's successful and on his grind and a guy who is
04:10:49.780
someone that you'd want to date, if you'd analyzed his life and you thought, where can
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I'm going to come in and like clean up his room, do his laundry, all that sort of thing.
04:11:01.900
Or maybe he's got like a something that I can do with work.
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I can like help him with his emails or something like that.
04:11:07.380
All of those little things are things that can easily set you apart from the rest.
04:11:11.880
So if I was you, or this hypothetical girl with a high body count, I would look at the
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guy and I would say, where can I bring value to the point where a few months down the line,
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three months, six months down the line, he's looking at me as somebody who's like, you
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If I left his life, then it would be way harder.
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Do you think that people should do, or women should do that, regardless of body count prior
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Like, you think that they should present wife qualities when they're not getting husband
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But like, so why would I marry you if you're not showing me wife qualities?
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But by the same token, why would a woman show you wife qualities if they're not getting
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So then we're just at a stalemate and just, it'll never happen.
04:11:57.240
So if I have someone who's my girlfriend and she's saying, I'm not going to do your laundry,
04:12:02.160
I'm not going to make your bed, I'm not going to cook you food because I don't have a ring
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on my finger, I'd be like, all right, then fuck off.
04:12:07.460
But wife qualities are more than cleaning and cooking.
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Wife qualities are way more than cleaning and cooking.
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If you're a guy who's already like achieved certain things in life, you've probably been
04:12:24.280
Maybe you could use a cuddle on a Sunday morning.
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Because you keep saying like, women are this and that and it's blah, blah, blah.
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So just date each other and go have fun in the bathroom.
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I think I actually pretty clearly just sort of laid it out as to like the value that
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Doing emails, cooking, cleaning, making yourself like make his life easier.
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He also said that he doesn't expect you a piece of shit if you're being...
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So I already provide those things when I'm dating someone.
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And so like I obviously do have a promiscuous past and I'm currently not dating because
04:13:24.320
I want to become like a higher quality woman before I date so that I can attract a more
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So what would you recommend besides like the cooking, the cleaning and...
04:13:36.320
Well, I think that you have to just cater it to that person's individual needs.
04:13:39.560
So you have to just be good at looking at the man and understanding a little bit about
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his life and then seeing where you can add value particularly.
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Because he might be someone who's a clean freak and he does all of his cleaning.
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And then you're going to be like, all right, well, where else can I add value to his life?
04:13:58.800
But it's about getting yourself to the point where months and months down the line, he looks
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Should I be waiting a while to sleep with someone?
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Because if he's a guy who's like a little bit more liberal about it, he's not going to
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But a guy who's more conservative, how high is the body count?
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I think that if you can master other aspects, then you, then guys will, will look past that.
04:14:43.060
I don't know if that's, that's not, it's horrible.
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But so, I mean, there's this video game term called min maxing.
04:14:54.200
You minimize negative characteristics and you maximize positive characteristics.
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So, I mean, you can't really minimize it, but what you can do is you maximize all the other
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positive characteristics, I suppose, to kind of, I mean, this is just like general advice
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You want to become the best person and best partner that you can.
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So if that means, you know, getting into really good shape, it could come down to your
04:15:20.180
It could come down to, you know, other things that you're bringing to the table.
04:15:23.380
Uh, so if you just become like the super pleasant, amazing, amazing woman, super submissive, uh,
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acts of service and maximize just how can I become more attractive, not just looks, but
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how can I become more attractive in other dimensions, fifth dimension over here, fifth dimension
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Then you just got to maximize all those things.
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Are some guys still going to disqualify you no matter how amazing you are?
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But they might disqualify you for other things too.
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They might not, uh, you might not be their type physically, whatever it is.
04:16:06.960
Like, yeah, that's a good point that, uh, she says a man you would want is the kind of
04:16:12.500
man who wants you to demonstrate that you will be able to help meet rather than, uh, rather
04:16:25.520
I mean, I mentioned it often in passing, but we don't ever do deep dives into it.
04:16:30.120
Like ladies, one of the biggest things, cause like one of the biggest things that you can
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do to become more appealing to a guy, it's not like how the cool stories you can tell your
04:16:41.720
If you're just like chill and pleasant to be around, because a lot of guys have experience
04:16:48.300
dealing with like, and look, girls deal with some like fucking psycho dudes too.
04:16:53.760
But like a guy who's dealt with like a girl, who's a headache, like, man, the biggest thing
04:16:59.600
you can be in a relationship is if you're just like calm and you, when he's with you,
04:17:06.740
And look, sometimes, sometimes you have disagreements.
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I mean, some people have a really hard line stance on like, you know, submission and that
04:17:16.660
But if you can be peace, that's like one of the biggest things you can bring a dude.
04:17:20.620
We don't want to, like guys don't want to deal with a quarrelsome woman.
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Like if we're constantly, and look, to be fair, sometimes men, y'all, I don't know.
04:17:32.920
Like sometimes men are the ones looking for an argument, but a lot of dudes have an experience
04:17:37.940
of dealing with a girl that it's just like a headache and we don't want to, we don't
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And if you can be our calm, a lot of dudes are going to overlook a lot of things.
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Especially if you're a really busy guy who's got a lot going on and your life's very stressful.
04:17:54.100
If you can be like a sanctuary for him and you can create a home that's a sanctuary and
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then that's massive, but also sort of like, you know, it might sound like a little bit
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infantilizing, but if you can look at him with like goo goo ga ga sort of eyes, you know,
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like I said before, always doing things to make him feel respected, make him feel strong
04:18:14.860
Most guys in the current dating market with the way that most women are will not know what
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If you actually treat a guy like that with genuine respect and you look up to him and
04:18:25.640
Besides providing the money and all that stuff, what is he doing?
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Is it providing emotional really like respect and emotional support and all that stuff?
04:18:34.840
Well, a man has duties in a relationship and the duty, in my opinion, is to provide and
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also to be, I mean, you have to take a bullet if there's a home invasion and to make her
04:18:44.540
feel protected, to make her feel like her needs are met.
04:18:48.060
Whether that be like financial needs or like the support of being a leader and all those
04:18:54.880
And I think that's actually, it sounds like it's in a few sentences, but it's a very
04:18:58.700
significant job and it requires a lot of experience.
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I think in the true sense of like a submissive, dominant relationship between a husband and
04:19:05.960
a wife, like if there's mutual respect, it's not about dominating the wife just because
04:19:13.040
That doesn't mean that they're shitting on you.
04:19:17.800
Some men provide and then they treat you like a slave.
04:19:20.600
Also with submission, like submission is not taken.
04:19:26.920
Jake, I do disagree with you on the bullet thing, though.
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You're kind of a beta male for not being willing to take the bullet.
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Do you know how many men have gone out of the trenches in war and run onto the beaches,
04:20:00.980
don't need to be gunned down by the Turks, just so they don't look like a beta male to
04:20:14.900
Let's say, would you take a bullet for, you don't have kids yet.
04:20:39.200
And then, and then maybe you get kind of clowned on a little bit, but you probably, I mean,
04:20:48.320
And then a week later, you meet a new girl and then you have kids with her and you've just
04:21:01.680
I'm willing, see, I'm willing to sacrifice the individual woman.
04:21:05.680
I will sacrifice the individual woman for my benefit.
04:21:12.880
That's the purely utilitarian perspective on it, bro.
04:21:15.380
Am I, chat, chat, am I, I'm kind of right, chat.
04:21:28.340
Sorry, I'm kind of spazzing out a little bit, but.
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It's like, why can't we just keep continuing to put you down so you can be barefoot and
04:21:49.960
You just want to feel superior and you will never be superior.
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If it wasn't for us, you wouldn't be talking all this shit.
04:22:01.720
What do you mean by superior and how are women superior?
04:22:08.100
Say it again five more times and I'll understand the definition.
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And thank you for carrying that baby to term and not killing it.
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It is your job to bleed out of your vagina and then have my baby.
04:23:15.400
What's the point of men being stronger if you're not going to take the bullet?
04:23:18.080
The point of me being stronger is so that after she dies, I can take care of the kids.
04:23:24.240
Because I'm honestly, well, once we have kids, if we already have kids, I'm better suited to take care of them.
04:23:44.440
Obviously, your intuition wasn't that good to fucking dodge that shit.
04:23:49.200
I think the more accurate for you is that you both just stand there and whoever gets hit gets hit.
04:24:00.700
You ever seen those videos of when the plant jumps out and scares people and then the guy grabs his girlfriend?
04:24:08.400
He said he's going to use his girlfriend as a human shield.
04:24:28.860
Dozens of wives and concubines and just chicks.
04:24:45.640
You think Genghis Khan, the most fucking ruthless...
04:25:26.560
According to your logic, that's the most gangster shit you can do.
04:25:35.600
These are like that small percentage of men with power.
04:25:42.140
Remember like back when we were talking about like the...
04:25:45.880
The men of the men of the world, whatever, you can't compare yourself to the...
04:25:54.720
If it's a W for Genghis Khan to be like, I've got 50 wives.
04:26:07.080
He's that percentage of men that you spoke about.
04:26:10.520
Using an example with somebody with a bajillion wives.
04:26:13.180
Yeah, that makes me more gangster because she's more important to me and I'm still willing
04:26:27.000
I'm still willing to sacrifice her because the bloodline...
04:26:30.240
It's more important for me to survive to forward the fucking bloodline.
04:26:38.480
But what if she was pregnant at the time with your child, your firstborn child?
04:26:44.600
And you got shot in the nuts so you can't have no more kids.
04:26:54.160
Men can't love unconditionally because they're never loved unconditionally.
04:27:01.420
I love to a lot of men that don't provide shit.
04:27:18.080
But do y'all think these women out here are worth taking the bullet for?
04:27:27.400
She's getting new dick within three months, bro.
04:27:34.260
You'd be out there crying at the freaking funeral.
04:27:56.800
Because she's a lady and she has to wait for you forever in her little coffin.
04:28:04.180
You guys have an expectation that I take the bullet.
04:28:20.300
You notice that when we get them, they always switch, like, the conversation.
04:28:50.340
It seems like you think people are going to, like, switch up and betray on you.
04:29:07.900
Like, if somebody talks shit about me, I don't care.
04:29:11.560
But if somebody ever said something nasty, like, in front of my dad to my dad, I would be so fucking angry.
04:29:17.800
Like, if somebody punched me, or I saw somebody punch my dad, I would be more upset if they punched my dad.
04:29:31.080
But you wouldn't do that for your wife, because men cannot love women.
04:29:43.040
So your kids, you would let your kids die, too?
04:30:05.140
I mean, he's the one who said that he'd do the killing.
04:30:18.280
Many cultures around the world have actually disposed of the women at birth.
04:30:31.580
I feel like people say that until they get a daughter.
04:31:06.160
Some of you said you're going to be looking, looking like.
04:31:22.160
Do you think that's what I'll look like in 10 years?
04:32:05.640
I feel like last time I looked more like my mom.
04:32:53.880
By the way, whoever did this, she did a lot of favors on the pictures on the left.
04:33:23.220
If woman takes a bullet for guy, would she then be more gangster than him by default?
04:33:45.380
The assumption here is that if you take the bullet, you die.
04:34:33.460
He had two girls pregnant at the same time as we were dating.
04:34:36.780
One of them hit me and hit you in the DMs beefing.
04:34:46.380
He ended up having a son and a daughter two weeks apart from the two different women.
04:34:49.940
Now you think he's up to like four to five kids.
04:34:54.040
Thank the Lord you're not attached to that circus.
04:34:56.900
Any other details you can share from that story?
04:35:13.500
I think you probably would know him just because he's pretty...
04:35:17.460
He's got some big songs out there and then he's done a lot of stuff that's like...
04:35:34.520
Putting people in boxes like it's one answer for a relationship and that's it.
04:35:37.720
But really, it's about what works for you and yours.
04:35:45.180
You said putting people in boxes like it's one answer for a relationship and that's it.
04:35:48.700
So is this kind of like maybe you have issues with traditional type relationships?
04:35:59.780
I believe in a traditional relationship in the aspect of do I want marriage?
04:36:05.760
Do I want a husband that I love and respect or that I want to lead because I don't want
04:36:13.680
And so, yes, I do agree in that traditional aspect.
04:36:16.060
But let's say like, for instance, you don't want to get married.
04:36:19.300
Do I think that your views are, you know, wrong?
04:36:21.960
No, because I agree with yours too because I do agree.
04:36:29.740
Yeah, they're really looking at a big loss if they get with the wrong person.
04:36:34.200
So, like, I do understand you guys' like, you know, aspect of it too.
04:36:42.000
It's so hard to actually seriously date someone, especially in Los Angeles.
04:36:48.180
You feel like you need someone more traditional as well, but also who understands the dynamics
04:36:57.040
For one, people might think I'd be shallow and stuff like, oh, she's around this artist
04:37:01.620
or that, you know, NFL or NBA player or these people, like, the people I'm around in my
04:37:08.340
It makes some guys insecure and stuff because they don't feel like they're, I guess, in their
04:37:18.280
They're looking at, like, maybe financially or, like, status or things like that.
04:37:23.800
And so they're, like, insecure with me being around these men too.
04:37:28.660
And so even if it's just, you know, like, for work, relationships, things like that.
04:37:34.600
Is, have you worked with people in the music industry?
04:37:49.560
It's like, they're like, oh, yeah, we should collaborate.
04:37:53.440
And then they're just, I mean, it's like, and I think that's wrong, by the way.
04:38:01.240
Like, I don't think you should do that as a guy.
04:38:02.720
Like, false pretenses, like, oh, yeah, let's...
04:38:11.720
And then they started dating and it never happened again.
04:38:19.200
Oh, no, the guy, like, who was, like, wanting to do the photo shoot.
04:38:33.340
My ex-boyfriend, I was with her for four years.
04:38:38.440
Yeah, there was this guy who was, like, hey, come do a photo shoot.
04:38:41.420
But it was really, he was, like, trying to date her.
04:38:48.740
No, but it's, like, you should be up front, you know?
04:38:52.220
But so maybe that's one of the concerns these guys have is, like,
04:38:54.520
he knows, like, how these people are in the music industry
04:38:58.640
Well, no, I think it was more so in the aspect that...
04:39:03.700
It was one that he was kind of, like, he also does music.
04:39:09.480
He'd been doing it for years, but he hasn't had the level of success
04:39:13.720
And the fact that I am a woman and can go around these men
04:39:17.640
who have a higher status in the industry that we both work in,
04:39:20.920
it's kind of, like, a jealousy thing there, too,
04:39:23.260
because it is, like, kind of a concept of, like, him thinking,
04:39:28.120
but not what I actually bring, you know, to the table.
04:39:38.140
you said one time you came out in the music video
04:39:43.840
asked if you wanted to go bowling with him and a few other people.
04:39:47.140
He picks you up, and you guys stop at a liquor store
04:40:21.600
I was like, why you need to do that to pregame bowling,
04:40:27.440
and you Ubered home because you were not getting in that car again,
04:40:32.420
Had you guys met up before that, or was that it?
04:40:35.120
Can you scoot the mic just to the edge of the table?
04:40:40.400
They're always dating freaking these big-time people,
04:40:47.720
Or that people are just private with their personal emails.
04:40:53.640
Or that they're SoundCloud rappers or something like that.
04:41:04.940
We'd make the story really entertaining if we knew who he was.
04:41:45.500
like if a man had like multiple girlfriends or wives
04:42:08.280
Yeah, I'm saying like somebody like powerful like that.
04:42:23.380
And is the guy that you're seeing exclusive with you?
04:43:08.540
Hey, look at how she's stroking the pickle hopper, too.
04:43:13.220
Are you, is that like the Russian version of Dark Havia?
04:43:19.480
It's Dark Havia, so it's spelled D-A-R-K-A-V-I-A.
04:43:34.080
Wait, do you guys think the guy should take the bullet for his girl?
04:43:52.100
Are you talking about to be married or just to experience life?
04:44:01.100
and that should be the guy you stay with the rest of your life.
04:44:19.560
No, whoever has the highest body count has to take the bullet.
04:44:29.080
I said whoever has the highest body count has to take the bullet.
04:44:45.180
It's like, you guys, really quick, raise your hand, like no big deal.
04:45:16.480
But if it's like, y'all are saying men should die.
04:45:19.400
I should be able to say, y'all should not be fucking all these dudes.
04:45:31.020
But women don't have any problem saying men should do X.
04:45:41.220
Like you might say men should know how to change a tire.
04:45:45.700
But the moment I say women should go make me a sandwich.
04:45:53.800
Like any, you're going to say anytime a guy says a woman should, you're going to be like
04:46:06.740
If you know how to change a tire, the woman should know how to change a diaper.
04:46:11.300
I think if the man is providing those things and the woman is providing those things, that's
04:46:18.020
I kind of feel like it's easier to be a virgin than it is to take a bullet, though.
04:46:31.120
I feel like you're kind of dying if you're 18 and you sleep with one guy, you stay with
04:46:46.680
I thought you were going to say the dildo that his fat boyfriend got paid for.
04:46:50.920
But I just, I feel like there's no way that a virgin man or a virgin woman, they get together,
04:46:57.560
I feel like there's no possible way that they have the thought that doesn't cross their
04:47:13.860
Yeah, can you, you're going to have to like turn your, turn your whole body.
04:47:22.380
It's supposed to be my mom, my sister, my other sister, and daughter.
04:47:43.980
You should, it should be Raised by Strong Man, singular.
04:47:58.760
No, but Raised by Strong Man, you should also, never mind.
04:48:21.640
Okay, going back to you, you said Fifth Dimension Princess.
04:48:31.580
Maybe when I stop doing music, I'll just get rid of the name.
04:48:34.120
What do you think about Fifth Dimension Duchess?
04:48:55.620
Obviously, the American education system failed me, obviously.
04:49:00.220
You said it's hard because social media dating, it's hard because social media makes it seem
04:49:05.860
like there are so many options and a lot of it is over-sexualized and it's hard to be compared
04:49:11.500
But at the end of the day, the right person is going to love you for who you are and you
04:49:16.760
You should let it find you by being your best and most authentic self.
04:49:25.220
I am not a fan of BBLs, fake titties, lip filler, natural BBL?
04:49:33.260
Are you saying you don't like big butts or are you just saying he doesn't like the surgery?
04:49:40.380
It also looks so strange when the thighs are small.
04:49:46.980
Natasha, don't you think you've got to earn it?
04:49:51.900
It drives me nuts when I see girls on TikTok that are talking about like, here's how you build
04:49:57.500
It's like, that's fine if you want to do plastic surgery, but don't...
04:50:01.480
Lie to people when you're saying you can get this shelf by doing this.
04:50:10.720
When you don't have good thighs and like thick thighs to back up a big butt, it looks ridiculous.
04:50:32.640
Oh, wait, we have the dating apps too from Darkavia.
04:50:35.780
Okay, we'll do that dating app, then get into Natasha's notes.
04:50:40.740
Milena, you said that you, in a dating app, you want a man to worship the ground you walk
04:51:02.320
So I was like, maybe if I put this, like, I'll get someone that's like right below that.
04:51:16.300
Now, look, we need to do Darkavia's dating app right now.
04:51:41.280
Like, dropping everything that second and hopping on a plane.
04:51:51.720
Guys, in the chat, this is Darkavia's dating app.
04:52:57.120
And that's literally my downfall when it comes to relationships.
04:53:02.220
And I think that also takes part in when I sleep with them.
04:53:10.800
Because I do go into that hole of wanting to be in a relationship as soon as I, like, sleep with them.
04:53:17.220
And obviously, they're not obviously in that mindset.
04:53:27.940
I think there was a few slight errors with the...
04:53:32.700
So, the first bit where you said, willing to drop everything and get on a plane.
04:53:36.440
That seems like a dog whistle to get flown out.
04:53:43.680
Let's say I have, like, only $800 in my bank account.
04:53:46.320
I'm probably going to spend that $800 to just go to Paris.
04:54:16.040
See, whenever I see that sort of thing on a girl's profile, I'm always like, she's looking for a guy to fly around.
04:54:28.120
I haven't traveled to New York for 10 days by myself.
04:54:32.800
I'd say that from the guy's perspective, they're going to look at that and interpret that as, oh, she's trying to get flown out.
04:54:43.160
Like, the music festivals, like EDC or, you know, Beyond Wonderland and those things like that.
04:54:49.180
I love raving because when I started raving, I was about 15 years old.
04:54:55.600
But it's also that it was the community that made me feel, like, beautiful, I guess.
04:55:04.340
But it just, the community is just so beautiful.
04:55:09.020
And I know people around me are probably, like, you know, high or whatever.
04:55:12.720
But it just, it just, it makes me feel very warm inside.
04:55:15.480
When you see the first impressions of the profile and you see raving, you're like,
04:55:21.340
Around sweaty peasants and a lot of, like, just, like, a headache as well.
04:55:26.240
If I'm, like, with my village, it's like, I'm going to go rave for three days at some random festival dressed in a rainbow.
04:55:31.140
See, like, where I, where you meet your rave day and you have, like, you meet people that love raving and they love the environment.
04:55:41.760
And I just like people that are into my kind of music, EDM.
04:55:51.800
So I just like that kind of music and music festivals are the easiest way to express that kind of music with everyone that.
04:56:00.200
And it's, it's beautiful when you explore those kind of festivals.
04:56:03.520
What kind of guy would you really like to swipe right?
04:56:08.500
I would probably say, I'm not, I don't really care about height, but you have to be at least taller than me.
04:56:17.020
I would have preference Asian, but I would not turn down anyone else.
04:56:21.160
And when you say Asian, do you mean like Chinese?
04:56:24.400
I don't really have a, I don't really have a preference.
04:56:28.340
I like how they respect women in ways that American, America doesn't respect women.
04:56:38.600
They have high standards on education and how they make that very important.
04:56:42.540
So they make themselves make it like, I need to be this.
04:56:46.100
Practicing violin like five hours in a language.
04:56:53.640
And then also it doesn't, but I don't, I want to say that it's just Asians.
04:56:56.700
Like I will, if I like, will talk to men of color or anything like that, like Mexicans.
04:57:02.920
I go, it's just a preference for Asians, but I will not take men off my roster, like off
04:57:07.320
my roster of like who I would go for just because they're not Asian.
04:57:15.040
I would probably see some activities on his profile.
04:57:18.160
You know, like he's like active, you know, like, you know, hiking or surfing.
04:57:29.480
And then like stuff like that on their profile.
04:57:31.680
And then maybe someone with good fashion, stuff like that.
04:57:36.480
But that's preferably what I look for in people that, um, on my profiles when I swipe
04:57:44.880
Or some people do swipe on me and like, it's not, I wouldn't say that I do not get my preference
04:57:51.180
on hinge, but I would say that like, it's not exactly my deal, but there's still pretty
04:57:58.220
handsome man that, you know, like it just probably just not what I am going for.
04:58:02.700
So when you were walking around South Korea, you went to Seoul?
04:58:06.040
No, I'm going to Seoul in April for my birthday.
04:58:12.540
Well, I want to, I want to experience Seoul for my birthday and then Japan, I'm going
04:58:16.700
there for, I'm going to go stay there for the whole month.
04:58:22.260
I want to experience the whole like nightlife and the, you know, like the whole, the party
04:58:26.400
scene in Tokyo, but I also, but when I want to go to Korea, I want to experience their
04:58:30.560
face care, the skincare, like the whole, you know, very beauty standard.
04:58:36.400
So I can just experience the, like the color analysis and stuff, but the nightlife in Tokyo
04:58:42.240
It's normally that black guys go for Asian girls, but I've never seen a black girl go for
04:58:52.860
Like I'm even learning Korean because I want to start a business there.
04:58:58.240
They're not very business minded in Korea though.
04:59:03.640
And they're pretty picky about foreigners starting businesses, but it's definitely possible.
04:59:12.360
I like that you had like, I like that you had like a casual like face mask moment.
04:59:16.900
Cause I feel like a lot of guys, not that you're, yeah, that's why I wanted to include
04:59:22.520
But so that they could see what you look like, like authentically without any of the filters,
04:59:36.520
And you have to get specific on looks, particularly like build your avatar of your perfect man.
04:59:41.660
And then what kind of values and everything as well.
04:59:49.600
So I usually go for athletes, professional or not.
04:59:58.020
I like somebody who's funny and considerate, who has really good family values.
05:00:04.280
Um, smart and doesn't have to be necessarily college educated, but I am.
05:00:11.120
So I would rather have that, but some people can be very intelligent without that.
05:00:15.320
So I like, like witty banter and I typically like foreign.
05:00:36.120
No, I'm for real, but I was just kidding about that.
05:00:39.760
Uh, I like them to have a good, strong, like family view, like cultural view and stuff.
05:01:01.640
But that's why I said when I was giving him his rating, I said, me personally, I don't
05:01:06.000
have like a, my personal rating for you, but I feel like you are a good looking man for
05:01:12.660
If you had to name one of the rappers or something.
05:01:15.000
Girls who like, like, I don't feel like I'm his type either.
05:01:17.700
One of the, one of like the rappers or athletes or something who's most physically attractive.
05:01:24.280
I've, I'm friends with a lot of the ones that like a lot of girls would like really choose
05:01:28.940
Like I've turned down a lot of the ones that like, you know, girls would normally choose.
05:01:33.640
But, um, I would say I have dated like professional athletes, things like that.
05:01:40.600
And so, you know, I got my championship ring on things like that.
05:01:43.020
Like, so I played like, even like, you know, at different levels, I, I wasn't like a WNBA
05:01:48.840
player, but I did play like in professional leagues.
05:01:54.340
If it's like a rapper, you could say like Usher or something like that before the PDD scandal.
05:02:09.160
Like, but, um, I would probably, honestly, I would go with, I think I would go with an
05:02:25.280
What kind of, what kind of creative, like, as in, like, does video games or as in like
05:02:32.180
So music, creative genius, it can be, you know, Picasso.
05:02:43.240
Um, I don't know if he was good-looking, but I like his art.
05:02:50.880
Um, I would like a man that can not get intimidated by me and let me be whoever I am without taking
05:03:01.720
And someone that can really, truly knows how to fuck a woman.
05:03:14.740
Um, I go for guys that are, um, average white guys, I guess.
05:03:28.200
Maybe like five, five, um, five, four, five, six.
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And then I really appreciate a guy who has drive and who knows how to get things done and is
05:03:41.640
a leader and is humble and is, um, a man of God.
05:03:46.040
Um, I also want someone that believes in a loving God.
05:03:52.840
I don't care what it is as long as it's a loving God.
05:04:06.300
Um, I want them to have, like, goals, something they're passionate about.
05:04:11.500
I need them to have trauma because a big thing for me is to feel understood.
05:04:16.060
And I feel like if they haven't, like, experienced, um, like, hardship in life, they're not going
05:04:22.220
Um, but, like, also has taken the time and effort to, like, heal and become, um, like,
05:04:32.660
What if they don't have any trauma but they can still understand you?
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I don't think they'll, like, really understand.
05:04:39.380
Um, also, tattoos, I don't want them, I'm a personal trainer too and I don't want them
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to be into the gym because I like to have, yeah, I like having my own thing.
05:04:49.260
Um, no, it's more so, I've noticed that guys that are, like, really into weightlifting
05:04:54.380
specifically, um, have, like, unhealthily massive egos.
05:04:59.960
Um, so if they, like, are into being fit and taking care of their body, that's great.
05:05:04.720
But I don't want them to be like me where they go to the gym every day for, like, three
05:05:16.340
And then, Doc Avery, you like her little Asian man?
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See, I just, like, that's a preference, but I will not take anyone else off the thing.
05:05:26.020
Little Asian man that you can blindfold with the shirtless.
05:05:27.480
I think the only people I probably won't date, no offense, is probably white men and black
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Because I'm half black and half white and I want my children to be very biracial.
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So anything that I'm not, I would go for them, basically.
05:05:42.260
Should we do what we're looking for and just move on?
05:05:50.540
I'd say, uh, she has to be a Christian, first and foremost.
05:05:56.680
She has to be someone who does, who's not lazy, like I said before, someone who can sort
05:06:03.660
She has to be personable and get along with my family and that sort of thing.
05:06:16.260
I'll try to be more, uh, briefer than I usually am.
05:06:23.620
I mean, it's difficult for kids, like an Amazon woman would be good, but like my actual
05:06:32.980
So it's like, I'm in this, like, you say your preference is for sure.
05:06:35.980
Women short, short women, like I prefer like short petite women, like in terms of like
05:06:58.780
Wait, you like short women or you don't like short women?
05:07:04.640
So you, so you want, so you want the lady from Game of Thrones.
05:07:08.100
Like, I'm thinking like, I want on one hand, like what I find the most appealing, like
05:07:13.660
dating wise, and then I'm going to be on sex wise, like short.
05:07:18.880
Although petite, you want to be able to pick them up and throw them around like a, like
05:07:23.880
a tall, like if she, cause look, I'm a white guy, right?
05:07:30.340
If her, if her shit is too big, it's like hard to get up in there, you know?
05:07:39.860
So anyway, I don't know if the like thunder thighs, that's too much for a white man.
05:07:53.580
But the thing is, once you start getting short, then they get kind of stocky.
05:07:56.920
Then they get like, there's the short, thick girl, but then there's like the short petite
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And then there's like above average height petite.
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But then if I'm thinking about like my kids, I want some fucking warrior sons.
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So I'm like looking at that thick girl who's like, you know what I mean?
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And then like the kids, but then like my, I can't get in there properly, bro.
05:08:24.520
If you have sons, though, they'll probably be about your height.
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Normally, normally boys are taller than their dad or the same height.
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But like if like a 4'11 girl, don't get me wrong.
05:08:39.740
Like I'm crazy about that, but I'm just thinking about the kids.
05:08:53.300
No BBL, no lipo, no lip filler, no fake titties.
05:09:13.120
If she's got the labiaplasty, that's a tragedy.
05:09:18.880
Literally, if I was president, the first thing I'd do, executive order.
05:09:24.740
Plastic surgery only for people like who need that shit.
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Anesthesiologists who do that shit for plastic surgeons in jail.
05:10:37.520
This is the video I took of my ex-girlfriend so I could teach my next girlfriend what to do.
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Because if I explain it with words, she just won't get it.
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I did have to scold her because she had fake tits.
05:11:26.980
Her head should be touching her toes, to be honest.
05:11:32.080
And, oh, we have a message here from Hero Jake.
05:11:40.440
I would rather 90-year-old Silver Fox over 22-year-old Beryl.
05:12:23.860
There's, like, implants, and then there's the fat transfer.
05:12:25.440
Because, have you ever seen the video that went viral of the girl's implants that flipped?
05:12:31.280
BBL is a Brazilian butt lift, so they're taking fat from other parts of your body and sticking it in your butt.
05:12:43.000
I mean, just peace, submissive, feminine, pleasant.
05:13:20.420
By the way, Natasha, you posted an Instagram story.
05:13:32.080
I'm about to make roasting men my whole personality.
05:13:59.180
But I feel like where we started, it wasn't banter.
05:14:01.800
It was just crossing a line, so I wasn't going to engage.
05:14:20.440
Like, you said that you wouldn't appreciate if somebody talked bad about your father,
05:14:40.460
I do think you crossed a boundary that she said multiple times with one to end the conversation.
05:14:49.120
So, I come on a podcast and where there's going to be an expectation that you're going to have conversations.
05:14:56.920
Right, but it doesn't mean it's a free for all.
05:14:59.100
To be the host of the podcast and continuing a conversation.
05:15:02.220
Like, if every girl here was like, you could literally hijack my podcast and just say, I don't want to talk about that, to every single thing.
05:15:11.040
Would it be crossing a boundary if I was like, no, fuck you.
05:15:23.840
We're allowed to say we want to change the subject.
05:15:28.780
She said she didn't want to talk about body count and things like that with her sexual past multiple times.
05:15:32.800
I think exploring the reasons why isn't crossing a boundary.
05:15:37.380
Right, but it is once you get to a certain point where she says she's uncomfortable a couple times and has...
05:15:44.200
So, trying to ask, like, a different question that's perhaps walked back a little bit to try to, like, actually flesh out the conversation at hand is not crossing a boundary.
05:15:56.080
I guess our consideration of boundaries is different.
05:16:00.640
Well, I have a boundary that I don't like people...
05:16:02.300
Okay, but are you going to let me finish or are you going to let me answer?
05:16:06.960
I'm sorry to use you, but this is just my opinion from the outside, is that she had said multiple times something specific bothered her and you kept asking her about it in the same way that when I said something specifically bothered me.
05:16:17.700
And we could talk about all the things leading up to it, but there was a point where I said this bothers me and this is my boundary.
05:16:22.500
And you then asked me five more times about it.
05:16:28.380
So, you might disagree with my boundary, but it doesn't mean that it's not my boundary.
05:16:32.560
I have a boundary about people stonewalling on my podcast.
05:16:39.140
So, now do I have the right to feel aggrieved because you crossed one of my boundaries?
05:16:48.400
If I'm on a podcast and I'm asking a question, my boundary is that I want people to, like, in good faith engage in the conversation and not stonewall.
05:17:01.680
Which I did for the rest of the time, but I said explicitly one thing was a boundary and I said it explicitly in the moment and you still pushed it.
05:17:08.420
But you never once told me something bothered you and was your boundary or I would have stopped.
05:17:11.760
Bro, if I recall, we were having a discussion about...
05:17:17.760
You just literally stonewalled because when it came to...
05:17:20.880
I think it was the conversation about World War II.
05:17:27.740
And then you fucking gaslit and said, oh, I didn't say that.
05:17:32.700
When we were talking about male grievances, we brought up World War I, World War II.
05:17:37.600
And then you said, oh, but that was a long time ago.
05:17:41.860
And then I was like, okay, well, then slavery happened a long time ago.
05:17:47.700
And then you created this boundary to try to be evasive and not admit that you made it...
05:17:53.680
The thing with World War I, that was the beginning of my sentence, like I said.
05:18:02.180
That I didn't say like, this is a boundary and you've hurt me, you've upset me, whatever.
05:18:14.560
I think it all stemmed from possibly child support.
05:18:20.140
And then like, I'm trying to engage you in thoughts and ideas.
05:18:27.880
Because I was talking in generalities, you immediately go to a personal anecdote.
05:18:32.200
So when I try to like intellectually investigate your worldview and your personal anecdote,
05:18:37.320
if you don't give me enough space to actually investigate it,
05:18:41.100
then it just shuts down the entire conversation.
05:18:45.100
I was trying to suss out the degree, like the nature of the conversation.
05:18:49.420
I was trying to suss out the nature of your anecdote.
05:18:53.340
And you're just like, well, I'm not going to give you like certain details.
05:18:56.560
Then I don't have a full comprehensive understanding of your anecdotal experience.
05:19:04.320
And I had said that that was a boundary once we got deeper into that conversation.
05:19:11.240
I just said, because you had said something that was insulting about my mother.
05:19:14.420
So at that point, I was done with the conversation.
05:19:17.140
And then you then asked me five more times about it.
05:19:42.140
I had said there were three of us at this table that had a child support issue that
05:19:48.020
So I said, our personal experience does not reflect your opinion, which is fine.
05:19:54.420
But then you were asking the personal comment about it.
05:19:58.820
But there is always a boundary with somebody about something that bothers them.
05:20:02.340
So of course, we could talk up until that point.
05:20:04.600
But when I'm expressly telling you something bothers me, and you're negating that because
05:20:08.840
you don't agree with it, that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me.
05:20:11.260
And that doesn't mean that it's not my boundary just because you don't respect it.
05:20:15.880
I would love to see the clip back because while to be charitable, I was investigating your
05:20:24.160
worldview and I was asking you different questions related to your anecdote.
05:20:30.900
However, I think you're being disingenuous to say that I asked you the same exact question
05:20:39.840
You're trying to paint it like it was a super clear cut.
05:20:43.940
Like I asked you a question and then you made it as abundantly clear as possible that I
05:20:59.720
My verbatim was not you asked me the same question on repeat, on repeat, on repeat.
05:21:12.380
But if I'm explicitly telling you a boundary, just like anything in life, if someone is
05:21:18.880
expressly telling you something bothers them, you don't get to determine it doesn't.
05:21:24.680
If you told me me talking about trench foot really bothered you, I would have stopped.
05:21:29.880
Bro, but now you're being completely disingenuous.
05:21:33.220
You're literally, yes, you're trying to say it's just about the trench foot, though.
05:21:37.620
We were talking broadly about World War I and World War II.
05:21:40.980
We actually were talking about abortion, and then it kind of got over there.
05:21:49.900
When I tested your logic, you just shut down and you stonewalled.
05:21:55.740
I'm saying once you hit a nerve and really said something that upset me about my mother,
05:22:09.020
So for a bit there, I was upset because I thought it was disrespectful.
05:22:15.660
It just seemed argumentative and hyper-focused on me at that point.
05:22:20.720
And we've had a pleasant conversation and disagreements and agreements throughout.
05:22:24.340
But I'm saying what you said about my mother was a hard pass for me.
05:22:28.560
Just like you said, if somebody said something to your dad or hurt your dad, it would be a
05:22:38.120
Except I didn't say anything about your mother.
05:22:44.640
Asking a question isn't the same as like, it's not the same as saying your mother is X.
05:22:51.280
If I'm asking you a clarifying question about the scenarios surrounding that incident, that's
05:23:03.280
From the conversation, from what I remember, we were having this conversation about this
05:23:09.100
And he was asking clarifying questions saying, and then he said that there are cases out there
05:23:14.260
where the women have said X and Y to the courts in order to get custody of the child.
05:23:18.660
But he never actually said that your mother did that.
05:23:27.300
And so at that point, I'm not going to engage because that was what was implied.
05:23:39.080
I think we kind of got to the point where it was all the information was needed and we
05:23:47.000
I think I asked you maybe once or twice, but I don't feel like it was not respected.
05:23:57.180
It's my job to get to the bottom of this stuff when it comes to dating, et cetera.
05:24:02.180
These conversations, sometimes we're having heated exchanges.
05:24:06.000
We're talking, sometimes we're talking about serious subjects matter.
05:24:08.740
However, it's kind of my job as the host to like investigate those sorts of things.
05:24:25.900
I don't know exactly where we left off, but oh, right.
05:24:37.300
You're about to make roasting men your whole personality, but that already is your personality.
05:24:50.180
I said when it's healthy banter, I think that's fun, which is what I think having a conversation
05:24:57.160
Healthy banter and like roasting each other can be fun when you disagree.
05:25:02.040
But like I said, at that point, it was not banter and it wasn't roasting.
05:25:11.940
I said I had a boundary and you kept pushing it.
05:25:13.840
I mean, we don't need to do the same conversation several times.
05:25:17.040
Well, I don't look, I don't commit every single conversation on the show that I have to memory.
05:25:22.460
I'd be interested to look back at it to see the truth of the matter.
05:25:33.200
Stonewall Jacqueline, if you can't take the heat, go back to the kitchen.
05:25:48.680
We already talked about what the men bring to the table thing.
05:25:53.840
When the priority becomes your roster or how many people you've slept with, which is an incredibly tacky question, by the way, you aren't interested in wowing someone.
05:26:05.580
Making someone feel special and being romantic doesn't have to be expensive and it's never something you should have to ask for.
05:26:10.880
For a guy who really values you, he does it automatically.
05:26:13.500
No matter how strong the girl is, she wants someone who wants to make her feel special.
05:26:17.280
A lot of things people get excited about are the bare fucking minimum.
05:26:26.820
I think hookup culture in general has really kind of invalidated romance and has really done away with it.
05:26:32.820
And I don't think people really try and pursue or wow or date people anymore.
05:26:37.540
It seems very casual and hookup oriented and it's just not how I work.
05:26:43.100
You said here, which is an incredibly tacky question, by the way.
05:26:52.740
I just don't think that's something that's appropriate to ask.
05:26:55.680
I think on either end, I don't think a girl should ask a guy.
05:27:03.260
Don't you think that it could give some serious indicators as to the character of the person?
05:27:07.280
I think if you have to ask a question like that, you don't know the person very well.
05:27:13.560
I don't think that question is like the be all.
05:27:14.640
But if you're looking at it from a logical standpoint, right?
05:27:16.680
If you're going to be with somebody for the rest of your life, or if that's what you're aiming to do,
05:27:21.140
and you know that all of the statistical indicators point towards women with a lower body count
05:27:26.120
being much more likely to have long marriages and not divorce the husbands,
05:27:30.220
don't you think if that was a really key factor to that, that you'd investigate it?
05:27:38.520
But can you understand why it would be important for a guy?
05:27:41.960
I also don't want a man that's been with a million women.
05:27:46.100
Either way, if somebody has been like super hyper sexually active with either sex, but that's just my opinion.
05:27:52.360
I think you should ask a girl her body count before you even meet her.
05:28:03.480
I mean, she also don't have to tell you like she could be like, oh, she could be like, she told us her body counts too.
05:28:09.980
She could have slept with 15 people for all we know.
05:28:16.200
But if you're going to be lying at the start like that, I think there will be indicators as to the person's character.
05:28:21.320
Like they're lying about something significant like that.
05:28:23.900
And that lie will grow and there'll be much worse lies.
05:28:27.520
I think what I'm saying though is that like that's an indicator.
05:28:29.780
And then if they're dishonest about that, they're going to be dishonest about other big things as well.
05:28:33.320
But how would you know unless you actually grew up with this person?
05:28:35.560
If you're with somebody who's like a compulsive liar, eventually you start to put the pieces together and you start to realize, oh, this person, this doesn't add up.
05:28:43.700
And then you'll put the pieces together and realize, oh, this person is just a liar.
05:28:48.020
And they can actually fool you for a little while.
05:28:49.840
But then eventually they just run out of steam.
05:28:51.740
And normally these people have to bounce from relationship to relationship.
05:28:55.200
So if there are big lies from the start, there are going to be more big lies.
05:28:58.520
If you're coming in with a dishonest slate, then there's going to be more lies.
05:29:04.160
And generally as well, you can tell by the way that she is.
05:29:08.620
You can assess her past as well and some of her characteristics now.
05:29:12.700
And then also if you get to the freaky stuff, you can tell then as well.
05:29:27.260
What if they had a lot of experience with that one person?
05:29:29.960
What if that one person was like, hey, look at this porn.
05:29:36.720
Or what if you sat there and taught your person exactly how you like it.
05:29:42.600
Well, if they'd had a long-term relationship in the past, then that would be a positive indicator
05:29:46.240
that they haven't had lots of sexual experience.
05:29:49.800
But if they're like, I've been single for so long.
05:29:51.840
I've only slept with like two guys or whatever.
05:29:53.820
And then you get it and they're throwing it back and hawk-touring it.
05:30:02.740
If somebody's lying, they can get away with it.
05:30:09.520
Look, there are going to be, like guys are going to like having sex with girls who are
05:30:17.780
If a girl, like, you know, guys, there are going to be guys who want to have sex with
05:30:21.420
porn stars because of the pure sexual experience.
05:30:25.060
But when it comes to who you're looking for long-term, then no, there's absolutely, I've
05:30:28.420
got absolutely zero problem with teaching someone.
05:30:30.620
And even if I had to wait to get married for her to have sex, I'd have no problem with
05:30:38.180
I think, look, ask it before you even meet up with her.
05:30:48.580
Like, if somebody asked me that, I wouldn't find that.
05:31:02.140
You want a guy to pay for the first date, right?
05:31:07.520
So, but you, because the guy's trying to assess a numerical number when it comes to
05:31:18.500
You, by wanting a guy to pay for the first date, are assessing him on a numerical number.
05:31:25.760
But you're also assessing him on his masculine virtue as well.
05:31:28.880
And he's going to assess you on your feminine virtue.
05:31:30.400
If it's like a walk through the park kind of thing, it doesn't have to be expensive.
05:31:35.020
But I'm saying if he's the one initiating the date, I want him to take.
05:31:43.400
It's the sentiment of you wanting that sort of masculine virtue out of him.
05:31:47.220
And as a man, he will have certain things that he cares about.
05:31:53.400
But I would find that just like respect for me is the biggest thing.
05:31:55.900
And you might not agree with this, but I feel like that's a disrespectful question to ask a stranger.
05:32:02.100
But I'm saying to me, that would be disrespectful.
05:32:03.880
So I wouldn't be interested in that kind of person.
05:32:07.980
I think it would actually point to, though, like a guy who doesn't care about this or maybe painted better.
05:32:15.740
So a lot of guys will care about body count, but some of them, they'll still sleep with a girl with high body count just because they want to hit.
05:32:23.500
So as a woman, if a guy is showing that sort of curiosity about your sexual history, this could be used by you as an indicator that he actually sees long-term potential in you.
05:32:38.060
If he's asking these sort of qualifying or disqualifying questions, he's actually like, because dude, if a guy's just trying to fuck you, he doesn't really good.
05:32:47.940
If a guy's just trying to sleep with you, he's not going to ask.
05:32:51.840
But if he starts asking you about your values, if he's asking you about like your body count, if he's asking you about these things that maybe you find offensive, like, oh, why does that matter?
05:33:02.420
He's looking at you like I'm assessing this girl like to date her.
05:33:11.480
I personally think when it comes to body count, it remains a perfectly acceptable metric and standard by which relationship-minded men can and frankly should be disqualifying women on.
05:33:26.560
I think that if a guy isn't concerned about that, that should be more of a concern for you because like Brian said, he's not looking at that sort of like feminine virtue.
05:33:38.840
But if he's looking at you and not caring or if he's even more just wondering, are you seeing anybody else right now?
05:33:43.900
That is an indicator that he's looking for something temporary.
05:33:48.420
We're going to try to get through these last few things here as quick as possible.
05:34:02.120
I think consideration, communication, and consistency are like the three major things in a relationship that can determine longevity.
05:34:12.060
Because if someone's considering you in their actions, if they're being communicative consistently and they're providing like the same level of effort and consistency for you,
05:34:21.480
then they're not like introducing you to a vibe they can't maintain.
05:34:25.940
And I think that's showing you a lot of respect.
05:34:35.920
One chat here, then we're going to get into these notes real quick.
05:34:52.640
Starting with Natasha, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
05:35:02.500
I'd say he does make like, I don't know, something equal or more to me.
05:35:22.380
I would like a man that makes less money than me because I feel like that would even out the whole, you know, thing.
05:35:53.480
You guys, you guys want some decently high earning men there.
05:36:12.320
How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
05:36:22.300
Um, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
05:36:48.440
Um, 5'4, I'd probably say minimum is 5'5 and above.
05:36:54.620
Uh, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest?
05:37:13.460
Because I think what a man would do to you in a forest when nobody's watching is worse than
05:37:21.900
If the bear's going to kill you, it's going to be quick.
05:37:26.780
They're going to rip your skin off and rip your face off and grab, put their teeth around
05:37:31.080
Better than dealing with the trauma that what a man would do to you in the forest alone would
05:37:34.160
I think that if you just selected a random man in the population, just plunked one out,
05:37:55.640
Um, so because you guys are factoring in like, yes, the man, the bear could kill you.
05:38:00.860
The man could kill you, but the bear's not going to essay you.
05:38:04.460
Um, you guys are obviously doing like a risk assessment.
05:38:10.580
Uh, you don't think every man could do this, right?
05:38:14.680
No, but I also don't think every bear is going to go after you if you're not bothering them
05:38:22.280
What percentage of men do you think would do this then?
05:38:39.980
Um, I think there's a lot of men that might do something like that if they aren't thinking
05:38:45.100
they're going to suffer the consequences for it and somebody wouldn't know.
05:38:47.900
I don't think it's all men, but I do think that.
05:38:54.300
So 50% of the male population in the United States, you think?
05:39:15.640
I mean, neither one is full-blood and neither one I lived with.
05:39:43.480
I'm not saying it has to be from my family, but I think statistically across the U.S., at
05:39:55.020
But, yeah, obviously that would include the general male population.
05:40:09.000
So you must have a pretty negative view towards men, then, if you think 50% of them, maybe
05:40:22.840
You must have very negative attitudes towards half of men, then.
05:40:28.640
You think that they would, they would S.A. you.
05:40:36.840
There's a lot of men in jail, or not in jail for that.
05:40:48.880
And half of men haven't engaged in that sort of activity.
05:40:55.140
And I still think that that is safer than a random bear in a forest who might not even be hungry.
05:41:17.720
I was about to say, if the bear was feeling, feeling frisk, maybe, it was mating season.
05:41:24.240
I chose a man because even if he tries to, like, S.A. me or kill me, I think I can take him over a bear.
05:41:33.300
I'll wait for him to go to sleep and then do stuff.
05:42:08.300
I think you guys have a very different view of how safe a woman feels around men than how
05:42:14.040
Yeah, I don't really feel too safe around bears, though.
05:42:17.640
Like, if you were in the forest and then you saw the two and you saw some hungry bear,
05:42:21.720
grizzly bear, and the shit that that bear could do to you, and then you saw Gavin and you're
05:42:26.300
like, who do I want to be trapped in this forest with?
05:42:37.520
I mean, the statistics don't reflect that this is the actual risk that a woman has, though.
05:42:47.460
I mean, even the greatly skewed numbers from some of these organizations, like the one
05:42:57.100
But if you look at actual crime statistics, FBI, DOJ, the actual incidence rate of this
05:43:07.520
The girls at the table, have you ever felt unsafe with a man to the point where you felt
05:43:12.660
How you feel, how you feel doesn't mean that the guy's going to S.A. you.
05:43:20.480
It's feel how safe you would feel in a forest unsupervised with a man.
05:43:25.800
But just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that that thing that you fear is going
05:43:38.720
And if you're lost in the forest, what do you think is more likely?
05:43:42.580
If you're lost in the forest, do you think a man's going to be benevolent?
05:43:48.220
Do you think he's just going to start S.A.ing you?
05:43:58.420
I mean, like, have you guys ever felt unsafe with a man to the point of your safety feeling
05:44:06.060
I bet every single woman here has felt unsafe around a man.
05:44:13.200
So, sometimes they make you feel safe before they S.A. you.
05:44:20.880
The funny part is that actually men actually have such a stronger inclination to protect
05:44:27.440
So, all of these, like, you can make a face about it if you want.
05:44:29.940
But, I was in Colombia a few weeks ago and I was at a random gym in, like, an outdoor
05:44:36.360
gym in Medellin and we saw this guy sprinting and this lady running behind him, like, yelping
05:44:41.720
because he'd just sort of stolen something from her.
05:44:44.000
And literally, there was 30 men around who literally clicked into gear and chased this
05:44:52.180
And they got him and they got the girl's thing back and they were walking the girl back
05:44:57.780
Like, that is the natural inclination that men have.
05:45:01.040
And I'm sorry that you have this, like, horrible view of men, but it's just simply not true.
05:45:06.880
No, this is, like, what you said is, like, a horrendous view of men.
05:45:10.160
You would rather be dropped in the forest with a bear than a man.
05:45:14.080
And you think that 50% of men are likely to do that to you.
05:45:20.880
Just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't make it wrong.
05:45:27.580
You just don't really understand, like, the way they're now.
05:45:31.300
Why do you get so, like, snarky about everything?
05:45:35.460
It's always going to be, like, making a face or it's going to be, like, laboring your answers
05:45:42.980
Well, if you're berating me constantly, you are.
05:45:46.420
Like, it's like you've never heard, like, a contrary opinion in your life.
05:45:49.660
There were several contrary opinions that we didn't agree on that I said, oh, I see your viewpoint.
05:45:56.120
I'm telling you, from my perspective, having talked to you all night, it's, like, constant
05:46:11.580
Typically, when you're having, like, a disagreement with somebody, you're going to tend to, like,
05:46:18.740
want to have that disagreement with the person who takes a more hardline position.
05:46:25.280
It seems like you have a bit more of a hardline.
05:46:27.780
Like, you have a stronger position on this than Milena.
05:46:31.340
And also, Milena's also been on the show before.
05:46:35.540
And we've already kind of had, like, the debate with her.
05:46:38.140
So, like, that's kind of why it's been a bit more focused on you specifically related
05:46:43.040
So, I mean, that's an explanation to your answer.
05:46:46.420
But, look, I don't really want to linger on the Bear thing for too long.
05:46:56.080
If it was 10 men versus 10 bears, does that change anything?
05:47:03.320
Because I think when there are people with each other, you have more of a responsibility
05:47:12.600
I think when men are alone, sometimes that's where the problem can arise.
05:47:16.720
But if there's 10 men, and if they're 50% disposed to SA-ing you, and 50% not, how do
05:47:22.160
you know that 50% of them are just going to overrule the rest of the guys?
05:47:24.880
I still don't think that they're going to take the chance to do something that's inappropriate
05:47:35.780
Like, there's a distribution of responsibility.
05:47:43.960
If you have three sons, you're prepared to take the position that one or even two of them
05:47:58.260
Well, statistically, it would have to include your family.
05:48:03.420
There's also thousands of people in the United States that would factor into that.
05:48:07.380
Well, yeah, but I mean, if we're looking statistically at 50%, like-
05:48:19.100
I think when men are alone, they do things that are not appropriate.
05:48:28.260
I said, a lot of times, relatives do SA people, so you do have to factor-
05:48:33.860
When you're raising, if you have three sons, when you're raising your three sons, you're
05:48:37.540
going to be raising them and thinking of them as, like, future great-ists.
05:48:42.080
No, because I know the things that I'm instilling in them, that doesn't go for the entire general
05:48:56.000
So you'll be the statistical outlier, then, when it comes to your-
05:49:04.300
Wait, if we change this question to, instead of it being a man,
05:49:12.080
like, do you think that your position is sexist?
05:49:17.440
If we were to change it to, instead of a man or a bear, it's a black person or a bear,
05:49:24.560
and the person picks bear, the person picks bear, are they racist?
05:49:30.840
You're saying as, like, a follow-up, or, like, just in general, that's the first question?
05:49:33.840
Yeah, so, if we change the question to just be, would you rather cross paths with a black
05:49:38.340
person or a bear in the forest, and they pick bear instead of the black person, would that
05:50:00.020
So, if it was a black man or a bear, what would you choose?
05:50:09.020
I don't know if y'all heard it, but she said, like, if it was a black woman there, then she
05:50:14.000
So, I think it's more of a sexist thing, not a racism thing.
05:50:16.740
How about if a man, a white man, picks the bear?
05:50:36.060
I'm sure most of you women here have had bad experiences, maybe awful, terrible experiences.
05:50:41.060
Let's say, though, a white person has had one, two, and three terrible experiences with
05:50:51.080
And then they see on the news reports about these crimes that black people, I'm not saying
05:50:58.060
this isn't the case, but just this is the hypothetical scenario, that these black people
05:51:05.520
They have the TikTok algorithm, which they watched all these videos on TikTok, and the
05:51:10.340
algorithm keeps feeding them stories about black on white crime.
05:51:15.360
Because of their safety concerns, they're scared of black people.
05:51:19.900
They believe all black people have the potential or capacity for violence or assault of some
05:51:29.200
To the point that instead of coming across a black person in the woods, they come across
05:51:41.380
Well, I think, honestly, they're being fed a certain image of black people.
05:51:47.840
Or if they had the experience, like how you said, they went one right after the other after
05:51:51.660
the other, and they had bad experiences of black people.
05:51:52.800
They just had two, let's say two or three bad experiences.
05:51:59.200
If they think that every black person is going to be like that just because they're
05:52:07.560
If they're saying like, I think 50% of black people might act like this because their experience
05:52:11.820
is this, then it's not, I don't think it's racist.
05:52:14.380
I think they're looking at it like as an experience, like a personal view.
05:52:18.600
They're not saying that like, for instance, if they met her and then they met me and they're
05:52:24.260
like, oh, both you guys are, you know, black girls or whatever.
05:52:27.000
So how she acts might not be like how I act or vice versa.
05:52:39.240
I, me personally, I think that would be racist because the ultimate minority is the individual.
05:52:52.500
And I think my opinion is sexist, but I can say that with my chest.
05:52:56.100
That's what I said when he gave it the example of like, just based off the person being black
05:53:03.620
Let me, like, would you, if you guys could, like, would you prefer, would you prefer to
05:53:08.940
be like, uh, on the subway, like just with other women at night?
05:53:17.980
So then because of a white person's bad experiences with black people, they would prefer to just
05:53:29.520
No, that is, you didn't say it like that though, you said, you said that if they were
05:53:33.080
in a forest by themselves, like they're alone by themselves and they're actually genuinely
05:53:37.740
like deathly scared of this black person, like, oh, this black person, if I'm here with
05:53:43.260
Like they do on the news and stuff like they're genuinely scared of them the same way somebody
05:53:49.320
But they're like, oh, because you're black, I don't want to be in this thing with you
05:53:55.480
Like it, you never came across nobody black that did anything wrong.
05:54:01.500
A white person wants to live in a white only dormitory in college.
05:54:11.580
Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think it's the white person wanting to be there because
05:54:15.460
It's the fact that you have a dormitory just for white people.
05:54:27.180
But it's technically a form of segregation though, isn't it?
05:54:31.100
No, it's not a form of segregation because everyone is welcome if you apply to go there.
05:54:36.560
The only difference is it's emphasizing on black excellence.
05:54:42.520
Would it be racist to have a white, historically white university where we're emphasizing white?
05:54:49.220
How do you think that mainstream society would see that if we had a historically white university?
05:55:02.420
So if it's a historically white university and they were celebrating white excellence,
05:55:08.300
do you think that society would think that that's a good thing?
05:55:11.180
That's not what Princeton and Harvard and those Ivy League schools do?
05:55:24.780
In the woods scenario, I know for a fact most all men would find a higher call to duty to get the woman out of the woods in this scenario.
05:55:39.020
I'm glad that that's the men you surround yourself.
05:55:41.000
I mean, it's been like 10 years ago, men started asking for consent just because of the Me Too movement.
05:55:50.140
Did you want the guy to ask you for consent today?
05:56:01.580
Would you like, well, maybe you would, a woman to come and like touch you all over without you knowing her?
05:56:06.540
But if you're in a situation where you're romantically involved with someone.
05:56:11.220
No woman wants some dude to start saying, can I do this?
05:56:17.280
She said she was like, she hit the dude up to come and fuck her.
05:56:23.900
But what I mean is men haven't really taken in consideration women's anything.
05:56:29.880
Like, the whole bear thing, that's where it's coming from.
05:56:33.400
It's like, oh, we'd rather because it's been so horrible.
05:56:35.660
It's not because you guys have been so nice to us for like millions of years.
05:56:42.060
We've been nice to you guys for millions of years.
05:56:44.700
Is that why they passed that law where they can marry nine-year-old girls in Iraq now?
05:56:55.720
So American men never like S8 anybody or graped anyone?
05:57:00.060
And they didn't even get a point to vote for a while.
05:57:08.560
It should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
05:57:11.020
And there would be some dudes who would see you in that forest and want to, you know.
05:57:22.840
I would go off of whatever like the FBI and the DOJ statistics are.
05:57:30.120
I don't have it in front of me, but it's not 50%.
05:57:37.320
If I had a little sister, I wouldn't advise her to go walking in the woods alone.
05:57:44.220
And we're going to go to, we're not going to hit all of these just for the sake of time.
05:57:48.720
But starting, okay, Natasha, you said, so here's the statement.
05:57:54.420
And then you're disagreeing with the statement.
05:57:57.540
Women have equal rights to men in the United States.
05:58:10.860
Um, why don't we, here, why don't we start with Callie and we work our way down to Natasha
05:58:23.700
So the statement is women have equal rights to men in the USA.
05:58:30.820
And I know this is unevolved, like the most evolved country, I guess, where women have
05:58:34.920
it, you know, they're independent and they're making as much money or maybe more money than
05:58:42.300
Like every time I, and I, and it's hard for me to explain it because anything I say is
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going to sound like complaining to you guys or, oh, poor little whatever.
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And to this day, there's always, I always have to prove myself, even though that's how
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Like you always have to be like, that's because women aren't funny though.
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Well, but I've been making more money than you with comedy.
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Whenever you're in sort of some sort of creative endeavor, it's not, you think like men,
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it's just handed to them on the silver platter.
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It's not handed, but there's the shit, the handshakes and the golf course.
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So you're, you've faced, you've faced difficulties in your comedy career.
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But the, so the statement is women have equal rights to men in the United States.
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Is there anything else that you'd, why do you disagree besides that?
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Also because when a woman gives birth, she's expected to be back at work in like six weeks
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This is not going to be a good argument for you because.
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Well, the guy has to provide for his family or something.
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Oh, of course, but then we're wrecked with the, is giving birth to you means nothing?
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I'm not sure this is the most compelling argument just because women get more maternity leave,
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excuse me, maternity leave than men get paternity leave.
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So I don't think this is really a compelling argument when it comes to equal rights.
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Even to the dollar, we don't make the same amount.
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Yeah, I wanted to mention that a woman has never been president in the United States.
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So I just think that it's not really an even playing field in that sense.
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But so this, we can engage with those, but it's about equal rights.
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So a woman has an equal right to try to become the president, right?
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There's nothing, there's no law that says women can't be president, right?
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And there's no law that prevents women from being CEOs.
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In fact, there are women CEOs, Yahoo, et cetera.
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Um, I was thinking more so like how she was saying, not like necessarily like CEOs or president
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or anything like that, but just like, as in the right.
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And like how you, I guess you touched on it, like equal pay, things like that.
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But also like to kind of piggyback off of what she was saying, um, about like her comedy career
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Like how you asked me earlier, like, Hey, in the music industry, you might get people
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who'd be like, Hey, I'll sleep, you know, like things like that.
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And I think more so what she was saying, kind of, again, to piggyback off the, um, working
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It's like when it's a male dominant field, it's different for women involved.
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Who's the highest earning musical artist in 2024?
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I mean, what barriers do you have when it comes to it?
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I mean, also, if you're going to use Taylor Swift as an example, what about all the issues
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she had with her management and the money that they were taking from her and things like
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that, and it's a whole guy who did that and literally manipulated a lot of people, took
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money from a lot of people, stole from a lot of people, you know, it's like poor, poor Taylor
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Um, so I know what you're, I'm actually very familiar with what you're talking about.
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Scooter Braun bought the master recordings to her back catalog.
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Her dad was like on the, uh, board of directors for the recording company.
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She could have bought them herself or there could have been steps taken if she really
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didn't want him to buy it, but he, there, he didn't steal it.
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Obviously I don't know Taylor Swift like that because I didn't even know she was the highest.
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Now what she ended up doing though, uh, she ended up just making up like a whole bunch
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of bogus claims about the whole scenario and pretty much ended up, which ended up resulting
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in Scooter Braun getting death threats, being harassed.
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She's got like very vicious fans and she totally like painted this picture that wasn't at all
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If she didn't want that to happen, she could have prevented it.
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The record company who her dad's part of signed off on the deal, but listen, you just said
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like her dad, the record company, most people at the record companies are men too.
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So it's like, I mean, Michael Jackson bought the masters for the Beatles.
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I mean, look, this is just something that happens in the recording industry when he tried
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So I don't know what the deal is with that, but a lot of times in these industries though,
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men are just going to be better at a lot of these sorts of things.
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So there's going to be a gap naturally, like even with entertainment, for example, women
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are only, especially when it comes to singers, for example, if they're not relying on their
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sexuality, then there's really not much of an avenue for them.
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There's not, there's not that many women who are just purely creative.
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I mean, Taylor Swift, I don't think she's relying on her sexuality.
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But generally speaking, women tend to rely on their sexuality, whereas I think men just
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have a broader spectrum of things that they can rely on in terms of, like, you've got
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some, like, gross, ugly dudes who are, like Pitbull, who's a successful recording artist.
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No, and I agree, sorry to cut you off and stuff, but I agree with what you're saying, but I
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feel like that aspect comes from a lot of the women having to sleep with people in their
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career because they feel like they have to or else they're not going to make it somewhere
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and they're rather going to do something for someone they're sleeping with than someone
06:05:08.420
So, here, just to, I guess, get to the bottom of this, is, like, the casting couch in the
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entertainment industry, music industry, is that bad?
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But, like, it's not clear to me, because the statement is, women have equal rights to men
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Oh, casting couch is, like, it, it, yeah, the casting couch is kind of this idea of, like,
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a guy, a man who's, like, a producer in Hollywood, he'll give a woman a role if she sleeps with
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And so, this is absolutely a phenomenon in the, in the music industry, in the entertainment
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But I don't know if it's evidence of a discrepancy when it comes to rights between men and women.
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That's why I said, after listening to them and, like, what you were saying and stuff,
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I was, like, I kind of was just piggybacking off of that.
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But now that you made that clear and, like, the equal pay and that's a whole different topic.
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Sure, it's supposed to show that they still have to leverage their sexuality.
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All of the women who progress up through the, through the hierarchy.
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It's harder, especially when you don't, like, for instance, you asked me how many times I
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said, like, coochie in my song, I said never, because that's not the image that I'm portraying.
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It happens in, you know, in a lot of industries.
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And even with comedy, for example, whenever you see women who are aspiring comedians, oftentimes
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they'll walk out and they'll try and act like a man.
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You know, they'll say something about, like, something like vulgar.
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I saw one the other day where she just started burping into the microphone.
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It's very hard for women to capture a feminine essence whilst being funny.
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Natasha, women have equal rights to men in the USA.
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I don't think I agree with the wording of that.
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There's discrepancy in treatment and in wage, but in actual legal rights in the US, I do
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I mean, I mean, I can't really argue with you on the original statement then if you think
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that there are, so that is your position, though.
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You think there are 100% equal rights between men and women?
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The statement is, women are not oppressed in the USA.
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So your position is women are oppressed in the United States?
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I think even having conversations about what a woman can do with their body is oppressing
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In a majority of politics, a lot of politicians are men, so it's men making that decision.
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But the people who elect the politicians are women?
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Here, before we, I guess before we get into the weeds of it, is there anything else?
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Is there anything else besides the, like, abortion stuff, though?
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Well, I was trying to think of it, but then you keep asking, or, like, cutting me off,
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So I guess I can go back to, like, the president thing here.
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And I do think they are oppressed in that form, because they haven't had, like, representation
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Well, I mean, it hasn't happened yet, but it's not clear if it's a...
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Just because something hasn't happened, it's not clear if that's oppression.
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But it is oppression because if they weren't oppressed, they would have gotten there by now.
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Um, are, uh, there hasn't been an atheist who's become president.
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Because we live in a predominantly Christian society, so I think, um, atheists, you know,
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they're not going to be treated as, uh, equally as Christians are in a predominantly Christian
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It's, I, when I think of oppression, I think of, like, really unfair, like, unfair, unjust
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So just because a woman hasn't yet, I mean, you had a woman vice president, uh, Kamala Harris
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If it's put down to a vote, you know, if it's put down to a vote and people vote on it
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and they decide not to have the woman president, don't you think that's equal?
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They had the opportunity, but they don't want to listen to Kamala Harris's stupid voice
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for, like, four years, don't you think that's fair?
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Departation and plane crashes and, oh, let's make American white again.
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You mean illegal immigrants that illegally came into the country?
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You just say things and you don't really know what you're talking about?
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I can't vote, but one day I will be able to vote.
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Look, we could probably talk about Trump all night.
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So, another way a woman was oppressed was in, like, medical studies.
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A lot of doctors in the past have done experiments on women's bodies, for example, for sterilization.
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You've got MKUltra, which was a project run by the government that did all sorts of experiments on people.
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There's another one where they gave black people syphilis.
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We already talked about, like, the abortion stuff.
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I don't know if it's really worth going back to it.
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For sterilization is not evidence of women being oppressed?
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In Puerto Rico, I know that when America first bought it, they sterilized the women there because they wanted to have less...
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They wanted to have less percentage of the Taino bloodline and the African descent, so they did sterilize women there, and it was, like, a huge majority of them.
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Yeah, I'll just go ahead and grant the argument that if there were specific, like, those specific women were, like, they were scientifically experimented on, and it was, like, unethical and they were sterilized.
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But it's, like, it's a very specific group, and we're talking about, like, we can find, like, massive amounts of evidence of, like, tons of men being treated unfairly.
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Does that mean that men in general are oppressed in the United States?
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I see what you're saying, and I think you're right.
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What about the fact that all men have to register for the Selective Service and potentially be subject to forced military conscription?
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It seems to me like that would mean that all men are oppressed in the United States.
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But wouldn't you want to fight for your country?
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Wait, how would you feel if there was a draft that forced women to have to have children?
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I mean, you can have consensual sex, but you would, like, you would, I guess, would it even be consensual?
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Yeah, it's with a guy you're dating, and they're like, you need to have a baby today.
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Or, like, try to have a baby in the next month.
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If the world population depended on me having a baby, I would have a baby.
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But you'd be okay with the government passing a law that says,
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you and other women who maybe don't feel the same way as you, they have to have kids, too.
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Okay, I guess the government shouldn't really be saying what women should do with their bodies.
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They're already doing that by saying no to abortion.
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And abortion is killing another human being, so it's not your body.
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Yeah, but then when we have the kid, you bounce, and you don't help us.
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Most guys just look after their families and are pretty good guys.
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I mean, there's definitely like three bodily autonomy arguments you can make that impact men more so than even abortion.
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I mean, you have forced military conscription, you have circumcision upon birth, and then you have...
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Well, I mean, perhaps it's even for because of discrepancies when it comes to criminal penalties, but men are much more likely to be sent to jail versus women for the same crime, this sort of thing.
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But then you have also, when it comes to child support, again, we established 90% of child support payment goes from men to women.
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So the government's prepared to take away men's bodily autonomy by throwing them into jail if they don't pay child support.
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Which, mind you, we've totally done away with debtors' prisons.
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Like, if you have a debt to a company, no matter you don't...
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If you don't pay the debt or you have student loans, if you don't pay them, there's no scenario where you can ever be sent to prison for financial debt.
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The only financial debt that you can ever be sent to prison or jail for is failure to pay child support.
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We realize that debtors' prison is unethical, except it's okay to do to men, which I find kind of interesting.
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But so men have like a lot of bodily autonomy concerns.
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No, I wouldn't say necessarily because you don't really have a real statistic for men because men, like as much as women don't report it, men don't report it 10 times more than that.
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So it's a problem that's equally spread amongst men.
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You don't think that that's particularly a woman?
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I feel like men that are S-aid, like especially at a younger age, because I do have...
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Yeah, well, because like what I learned, because I do have a minor in psychology for child development, and I work in like schools with kids and stuff like that.
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That does stem, like that puts something on like anyone's mental for like when they grow up.
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So like most of the time, like for instance, how you're saying one in...if she had three sons, one in the three would be an S-a-er.
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Not necessarily unless they were like impacted that way.
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Maybe the incidence rate...I mean, maybe if it's even higher for like when children are abused, it might even be higher like boys or whatever.
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Like how about women...people on college campuses?
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Do you think it's like 50-50 when it comes to S-a on college campuses?
06:17:12.440
But so if you're saying, well, like S-a towards women is like this really big deal on college campuses, and I was like, well, yeah, but some men...
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But you would point out like, yeah, but there's more women who get...
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It doesn't take away the fact that it still happens to men.
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It's bad when women also get thrown into jail when they don't pay child support.
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But it's actually, in addition to that, just way less likely to happen even for women because there's a bias in the court system.
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And they're going to be more lenient towards deadbeat moms.
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Why are we paying our tax dollars on people who don't want to be in their kid's life?
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Like we pay for people to be in jail too and stuff.
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And like I'm really paying for somebody who didn't want to take care of their kid.
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We should abolish like prison sentences for people who don't pay child support.
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I don't think men are more oppressed in the United States.
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And I also think that they can be sexually assaulted.
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I think that they have less of a propensity to say when that happens.
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But I think in terms of a higher number, women, I do still think, get essayed more because a man is able to overpower them usually more physically.
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I'm more interested in the oppression conversation, though.
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I think that traditionally and historically, they have had an easier time.
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But historically, it's been more catered to men.
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I mean, you do realize that throughout all of human...
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Throughout all of human history, like 99% of men couldn't vote.
06:19:51.040
Okay, here, Damien, pull up some infographics here.
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So if you go, Damien, pull up the Discord infographics tab.
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So you had kings, monarchs, emperors, this sort of thing.
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Powers was centralized in a very, very small amount of hands.
06:20:10.280
So in the United States, for example, the time period where all men could vote and when
06:20:15.200
all women could vote, there was a 50-year difference.
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It might not have been all men, but it was still men voting.
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So you could say that people of color in that situation were oppressed because it was white
06:20:29.520
I'm not interested in the intersectional conversation.
06:20:34.420
Look, we can talk about like, well, okay, let's start doing intersection.
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We can talk about like all these different intersections of like how different groups
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of people and how they intersect were oppressed.
06:20:48.580
Okay, then I disagree because I think historically men have been able to do things women cannot.
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There was a lot of different things that men could do that women couldn't.
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Damien, do you have the infographics tab pulled up?
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Go ahead, pull it up for me so I can get this going.
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In 1850, some men started getting the right to vote.
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This is an amalgamation of different countries.
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But, like, that leaves 99, 98% of men who couldn't vote.
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And then what you end up seeing is there's a brief period for about 50 years there where, like, a bit more men could vote.
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And then in just a 50 years' time, it just completely equalized.
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Do you know when the women's right to vote, when it was ratified?
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I don't know about you, but if I was an 18-year-old in 1914 living in Germany or France,
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I think I would trade my right to vote to not be sent to, like, Amiens or, like, the Ardennes Forest
06:23:12.760
or some sort of, like, offensive in North Africa and just, like, have, like, absolutely insane trench foot, as he said,
06:23:24.100
or have shell shock and hear, like, have permanent tinnitus where my ears are ringing from, like, the constant bombardment.
06:23:33.360
I think I would have rather been a woman at 18 in, you know, 1914 living in Europe than, you know, being a man.
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By the way, most men, even then, a lot of them didn't even have the right to vote.
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But men got the right to vote because they had more duty.
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You women got to dodge the ultimate, I mean, the ultimate sacrifice would be having to die for your country.
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And so men got, as a woman, you can't be drafted to go to war.
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The government can't force you to go to war, right?
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Men should, I think men should have more say if their government representatives can say,
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okay, we're going to send you to war to go die.
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I kind of think that that was the fair trade-off.
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Would you trade being a man for being a woman since you're so oppressed and so sad?
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I mean, I'm happy to articulate ways in which men are disadvantaged.
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But it's not, I think there are certain privileges that women have that trump those of my supposed male privilege.
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Because now you can vote and you don't have to go to war.
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I mean, we still, guys, being a woman is pure pain.
06:24:50.320
It just looks flashy because we, you know, put the makeup on and all the flashy stuff.
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It's like, we get like one week a month to be a human.
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It's just, I mean, but that's, some of the things you listed were biological in nature that you can't really do anything about.
06:25:15.480
But you guys get the advantage on that, I think, having a male body.
06:25:19.160
The fact that we don't have to have a period is an advantage.
06:25:22.760
I mean, do you want to contend with the argument, though?
06:25:31.400
I mean, that's kind of disappointing that you don't want to have a back and forth.
06:25:41.060
It doesn't mean that you're more oppressed or less oppressed.
06:25:43.920
But so, what I was trying to say about the voting, vast majority of human history, nobody had the right to vote.
06:25:50.680
It was monarchs, dictators, kings, queens, emperors, whatever.
06:25:55.140
Then, because of warfare, men had to be forced to go to war.
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Men had a greater vested interest in saying, like, yeah, I don't want to get sent to Passchendaele.
06:26:08.800
I don't want to go get sent to one of these, like, offensive fronts in some European country to fight some war
06:26:17.020
because Archduke Franz Ferdinand got fucking capped by some, what is it, Serbian?
06:26:29.720
Okay, anyways, I'm getting fucking in the weeds here.
06:26:32.220
But even with the credit cards and stuff, too, the fact of the matter is that men had to incur all of the debt.
06:26:38.400
So, they had to incur all of their wife's debt as well, and they were responsible for that.
06:26:42.780
So, women actually didn't even have to have the burden of a credit card, either.
06:26:49.300
But you still had to have a signer for a credit card until much more recently than that standard was the case.
06:26:54.960
Yeah, but I mean, what I'm saying, though, is if you're in a marriage with a man and, say, it goes wrong,
06:27:01.800
And even nowadays, it's like women are like a burden on the welfare system,
06:27:07.600
and particularly when it comes to credit cards.
06:27:09.440
Like, they are in a lot more debt than men, single women.
06:27:14.060
They're like 80% of the consumer base or something like that.
06:27:17.020
But, look, was it unfair that women didn't have the right to vote for a period of 50 years as compared to men?
06:27:25.080
But even then, there was a massive debate with the suffragettes and the women who didn't want to actually have the vote
06:27:30.320
because they were like, we don't want to do jury duty.
06:27:33.520
We don't want to do all of these sorts of things.
06:27:37.400
But unfortunately, there was huge financial interests that wanted to bring women into the workforce and have them vote.
06:27:44.320
I mean, and then the other thing that occurs to me is that women secured the right to vote
06:27:52.060
without any of the corresponding responsibilities that men had.
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Like, even to this day, 2025, women are not subject to military conscription.
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You don't have to register for the Selective Service.
06:28:24.040
As a man, being able to vote is tied to you registering for the Selective Service,
06:28:29.840
which would potentially make, well, no matter what, even if you don't register for that shit,
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But as men, you're subject to military conscription.
06:28:45.380
Like, governments, every single state in the world,
06:28:48.680
there's, like, maybe, I think Israel's the only one that drafts women, or maybe, I don't know.
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So, in the United States, anyways, just to keep it local,
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men can be, have their bodily autonomy taken away from them.
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I feel like you should be a bit more on the side of men on this issue.
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To at least make it equal between men and women,
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you should be advocating for women being subject.
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everybody's phones got taken away, except for Jake's.
06:29:39.920
It's, he's been on the show, like, a dozen times.
06:29:42.900
No, because Jake knows not to be looking at his phone
06:29:45.800
and being disrespectful and rude during the conversation.
06:29:48.760
It felt like it was like, oh, only the women give your phones
06:29:53.260
Yeah, because you guys are more likely to be checking your phone and stuff,
06:29:58.580
and I'm going to stick to the rules, and he knows that.
06:30:01.260
Reciprocity, and it's called just having a trustful relationship.
06:30:06.340
and actually, when I first started the podcast,
06:30:19.260
People were on their phone, not paying attention to the conversation.
06:30:24.600
And I'm, Natasha, I'm not trying to call you out.
06:30:26.760
You've been checking your little, it's not a big deal, whatever.
06:30:36.260
and not being on your phone when you're engaged in, like, a conversation
06:30:40.400
whether it's me talking, when you're talking, et cetera.
06:30:42.900
It's just kind of, that's why we take the phones away.
06:30:46.860
I typically, you know, I did not take Jake's phone.
06:30:56.860
I mean, I'll just say, you think there's a gender wage gap.
06:31:03.240
That's also evidence of oppression and not equal rights, right?
06:31:08.980
I mean, look, we don't have really time to linger too long on it.
06:31:12.740
So you have the controlled, uncontrolled gender wage gap.
06:31:16.880
The gender wage gap is comparing all men and all women
06:31:22.640
You're not factoring hours worked, type of job,
06:31:31.000
Like, the uncontrolled gender wage gap is like,
06:31:35.280
So you're going to take a, like a, what's an attorney that, a, what's a, a public defender
06:31:44.960
in Idaho, and you're going to compare his salary to a civil litigation lawyer in New York City
06:31:53.060
who works at one of the top law firms and he went to Harvard Law School.
06:31:57.800
And then, of course, you're going to have males who are in Idaho
06:32:00.680
and the woman who's like a high-powered attorney who went to Harvard
06:32:04.180
and is working civil litigation and making like maybe even millions of dollars a year.
06:32:08.780
When you start controlling for all these factors,
06:32:13.600
hours worked, type of job, location, geography, overtime, hazard pay, willingness to relocate,
06:32:22.520
there's over a dozen different factors, it shrinks down to one cent between men and women.
06:32:30.780
If I seem to recall, every single one of you said you want men to pay for the first date?
06:32:37.780
Well, you said yes, men should pay, men should pay, men should pay, men should pay, men should pay.
06:32:45.420
Who here wants to be a stay-at-home mom and not have to work?
06:32:54.940
I think it depends on the relationship and how many kids we have.
06:32:58.080
I would like to be at home raising the kids, but I think once they're a certain age, you could go back to work.
06:33:02.900
But you would want to take some time off of work, right?
06:33:05.860
And you would, I assume you would hope in that scenario, that your husband would be working during that time.
06:33:11.940
And he would continue working after that, and he was working before that, right?
06:33:21.240
Yes, like, so couldn't the wage gap, whether it's controlled or under-controlled, be fully explained away by women's social and mating pressure that you guys on the individual and group level exert on men that we don't exert back on you?
06:33:44.120
You don't want to work at all, and you want the guy to be able to make enough money to do that.
06:33:50.040
Wouldn't that indicate, or wouldn't that lead men, if in order to date you, I need to make this much money, I need to spend money on the date that you don't have to spend for.
06:34:01.220
You guys are the ones who are enforcing men's greater propensity and desire to earn more money so that they could provide for your own wants.
06:34:16.720
So couldn't it just be, the gender wage gap is just entirely explained away by your standards for men.
06:34:31.640
No, I think in general, I had said that I would prefer somebody who pays on the first date, but I think whoever is asking, whether that's the girl or guy, because you had said that you would ask a guy on a date sometimes.
06:34:41.060
I think whoever asks on the date should be the person providing the pay for that.
06:34:46.000
Do you think, so if I'm, me personally, like let's say I didn't have this podcast and girls like weren't like DMing me or whatever.
06:34:53.580
Do you think I can move through life and just wait for girls to ask me out?
06:34:57.720
Like I'm definitely not attractive enough to do that.
06:35:00.360
If that's the kind of girl you like, like some girls do like taking an initiative like that.
06:35:04.700
But like, how long am I going to wait for that?
06:35:07.820
Because you could go to a bar and you could get a dude, like you could get, you could have 10 dudes come up to you.
06:35:16.140
How attractive as a guy do you need to be to get that?
06:35:20.680
I don't even think really hot dudes are going to get hit on 10 times.
06:35:24.480
I never asked a guy out on the first date either, but I've, yeah.
06:35:32.900
So even if he's like, if I saw someone that was my ideal, perfect man, I still wouldn't do it.
06:35:37.300
And do you consider yourself like, no, you're fine.
06:35:39.420
Do you consider yourself like more liberal, more progressive, like politically?
06:35:44.840
I have some liberal ideologies, but I'm pretty conservative.
06:35:56.200
So what if I told you conservative women, they absolutely, which is maybe 50% of women,
06:36:03.780
And then even you yourself, you're a liberal woman.
06:36:07.300
You don't want to, you've never approached a guy.
06:36:13.380
There's more women who think like you than think like, oh yeah, I'm approach that guy.
06:36:20.520
So, but you're, you're trying to, you're saying that, oh, well, whoever asks should pay.
06:36:25.960
But if a girl feels obligated or like is intentional and wants to do that, then sure.
06:36:34.200
But so knowing this, knowing that the entire framework of dating is 99% or 95%, whatever
06:36:41.980
you want to attribute to it, the guy's going to have to initiate.
06:36:45.660
And then by your own worldview, if the person who asks has to pay, that means the financial
06:36:55.540
I don't think it necessarily has to be a financial burden.
06:37:00.240
No, because you could take somebody out to the park.
06:37:03.000
You could take them somewhere where you're not spending money, but I'm still saying the
06:37:06.380
person who takes initiative is what I find attractive.
06:37:09.300
So how about the first date the guy takes you to the park?
06:37:13.080
When you're in a relationship with a guy, like second date, third date, fourth date,
06:37:17.180
fifth date, let's say he does want to go out to dinner.
06:37:26.020
Second date, third, up to the fifth, sixth date.
06:37:34.120
Has it been your dating experience when you've gone on a second, third, fourth date?
06:37:38.580
I'm sure you've been on first dates where he did take you to a nice dinner, right?
06:37:42.840
And second, third, fourth, fifth dates, he took you to dinner or he paid for something,
06:37:48.240
So of your second, third, and fourth, fifth dates, whatever.
06:37:54.200
But has it been your experience on first, second, third, fourth, fifth dates, even in
06:38:00.040
those subsequent dates, he's still going to pay?
06:38:12.720
No, I actually, like, I was seeing somebody and we had been on a date and he had gone
06:38:17.260
to the bathroom and I asked for the bill when he was there because he had paid for several
06:38:21.300
dates prior to that and I thought that was a nice thing to do.
06:38:23.980
And when he came back, he had asked them for the bill and I had already paid and he was
06:38:31.760
I've had an experience before when girls have like planned a date.
06:38:34.680
They've been like, oh, I want to go to the movies.
06:38:37.260
And then they've gotten the tickets and you get there and they're like, oh, you got it.
06:38:39.340
I was like, oh, that's like, that's thoughtful.
06:38:43.260
Like the guy doesn't have to pay for every date.
06:38:45.780
Yeah, that's what I mean when I say in a relationship.
06:38:48.820
You go on a first date with a guy and he does take you to dinner.
06:38:56.420
The waiter comes and waiter says, do you guys want anything more?
06:39:07.000
Are you going to go on the second date with him?
06:39:13.600
So, because you offered this up as a rebuttal to my position on the wage gap.
06:39:17.480
So, my argument is the wage gap is explained by the fact that women put a social and mating
06:39:23.800
pressure, a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist on you.
06:39:28.600
You guys can be motivated to succeed for your survival, but when it comes to like getting
06:39:34.220
a partner, getting romance, getting sex, down the road having kids, we are not looking at
06:39:41.100
In fact, I think when you're talking about the table, you're like, it's kind of icky when
06:39:47.360
We established at the start that men don't really care about a woman's money.
06:39:51.060
I'm just saying, if you're asking me on the date and then you're asking me to split it,
06:39:56.020
I'll pay, but I'm not going to go on a date with him again.
06:39:58.900
But you're offering this up as like, so we're talking about the gender wage gap, and I'm
06:40:04.700
trying to understand if it's like you're offering it up as a rebuttal.
06:40:07.380
Well, it's men's fault because they're the ones asking for dates.
06:40:10.600
But like, I would agree with you, sort of, if men and women asked each other out at 50%
06:40:30.580
We could even bump it up to 5% if you disagree.
06:40:34.160
So if your standard is, well, whoever I should pay, this would make sense if men and women
06:40:45.880
But like, there's a social pressure on men to initiate.
06:40:52.580
Because if we don't, like if I'm a guy, the average guy, if he doesn't initiate, he doesn't
06:40:58.300
make the first move, he's literally zeroing himself out.
06:41:05.320
Like if a guy never makes a move, there's not a girl coming.
06:41:12.540
There's going to be 10 men who are hitting on you.
06:41:22.860
Maybe some guy's going to, maybe you don't like him, whatever.
06:41:25.060
But you can go about your life and men will come to you.
06:41:27.680
Women can move through their lives without ever having to approach a man.
06:41:35.180
Maybe you've, and how many you've dated, you've had a couple different, how many guys have
06:41:45.500
Every single guy you've dated, every relationship you've had, you didn't need to make the first
06:41:53.480
As a guy, I don't have, like, I got to put myself out there.
06:42:00.800
You guys can move through life without ever having to make the first move.
06:42:06.200
It might be, it might help you get that exact guy you want.
06:42:09.140
I don't think so though, because that guy that I would want, I don't think would want
06:42:15.940
They want to be the dominant one engaging the conversation.
06:42:19.960
That's not really the point I'm arguing, but I'm just, again, gender wage gap.
06:42:24.400
Like you guys create, like, do you think men are like really, really motivated to, like
06:42:30.940
when it comes to dating women or to try to get sex from women, like super motivated, like
06:42:41.960
Well, I'm saying more so like how, how important is it to men to get a girlfriend, get romantic
06:42:49.840
interest, date a woman, have sex with them down, maybe down the road, have kids.
06:42:54.620
I think this is like for the vast majority of men, this is like probably the most important
06:43:01.500
It's one of the biggest things in your life, right?
06:43:03.640
If it's one of the biggest things in your life, then don't you think if women set a certain
06:43:09.760
standard, you need to be financially attractive.
06:43:16.780
I won't sleep with you if you don't pay for the first date.
06:43:20.500
Don't you think that creates a massive social pressure, a one directional social pressure
06:43:27.800
No, I don't think that you have to have some crazy financial literacy and like financial
06:43:36.480
I'm saying you could take somebody out for coffee and you're offering to buy them a muffin.
06:43:41.000
That's not going to break the bank for anybody.
06:43:42.960
I don't, but I'm not sure if I'm like making it clear.
06:43:45.880
So do you, I mean, I'm not sure how else to articulate this.
06:43:54.460
So you don't think men feel like a pressure to be financially attractive to women?
06:44:02.860
I mean, you said you want to, you just, just to be clear, the question is, what would you
06:44:08.000
want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
06:44:18.460
You're disqualifying 90% of men just off of the minimum.
06:44:23.700
Um, so perhaps you like, Oh, it'd be really nice to date 300 K.
06:44:26.700
Like, you know, you know how much money I care about.
06:44:44.520
We talked about that, that we agree that men don't really care about the financial stability
06:44:53.120
And what I'm trying to argue is that you're saying it's, Oh, that this evil thing, man,
06:45:01.240
There's still things in play and like laws in the United States that allow for there
06:45:09.520
But I'm saying in practice, like most CEOs are men.
06:45:16.540
And that's just historically how, what the case is.
06:45:21.020
And that doesn't mean that women can't hold stature like that.
06:45:28.000
Like, how can you simultaneously say gender wage gap, gender wage gap bad, but I want a
06:45:41.880
I don't think that it's good or bad, but it is a thing.
06:45:46.760
You said the gender wage gap is evidence of either unequal rights or women's oppression
06:45:52.380
That is a type of oppression just because men have different oppression.
06:45:57.700
If the gender wage gap is evidence of women's oppression, then ergo, the gender wage gap
06:46:16.460
Just because they make less money doesn't mean that they're going to then make more money
06:46:21.420
Look, you said that if a guy didn't pay for the first date and he took you to dinner and
06:46:30.940
he said two checks, you pay for your food, I pay for mine, there wouldn't be a second
06:46:37.180
As a guy, can I go on a date with a girl and ever have the expectation that she's going
06:46:48.180
I don't know why you're getting so frustrated with me.
06:46:52.440
You denied that there's a mating pressure that exists on men when it comes to money.
06:46:59.140
There are different types of oppression with men and women.
06:47:03.680
I don't think it's oppression that women want men to pay for first dates.
06:47:17.280
And the point I'm trying to make, because of the mating pressure, that women apply,
06:47:35.720
Enough women care that it creates a generalized social and mating pressure on men to be more
06:47:42.700
prone and inclined to financial achievement and success.
06:47:48.520
If there's a pressure to do something, don't you think
06:47:52.100
that that would make it more likely for somebody to achieve?
06:48:05.880
When it comes to making money, if I can never...
06:48:11.220
In order for me to get a wife who's willing to have children with me, I need to be a provider
06:48:17.840
If I want to further my bloodline, if I want a spouse, if I want a wife, I need to be a
06:48:36.200
It's a mating pressure and a social pressure, but you seem to deny that it has any impact
06:48:43.040
Do you think men or women are more motivated to make money?
06:48:49.100
And could one of those reasons men are more motivated to make money is that if they don't
06:48:53.300
make money, they're not going to get sexual or romantic access to women?
06:49:01.660
So, this pressure, if men are more motivated to make money, would that be a way to explain
06:49:49.180
You think it's women's fault that there's a gender gap?
06:49:52.620
In so far as women have a place, a massive pressure on men to be providers that does not
06:50:02.260
So, if there's a differential in, like, motivation and pressure that you guys apply towards us...
06:50:10.880
They're not trying to earn a high income because they're not trying to provide for a family?
06:50:16.040
Single men don't want to eventually date a woman?
06:50:18.040
Like, single men are the ones who want to become financially attractive.
06:50:25.960
Yeah, like, people that don't have any interest in marriage, like, whether or not they want
06:50:29.900
to date or whatever casually, they're not going to be providing for a family.
06:50:33.000
Women are still going to be more interested in them if they're high earners and if they
06:50:37.660
Even if they're not married and they're not providing for a family.
06:50:40.080
Even if they're just dating a girl, they're just sleeping with a girl.
06:50:42.680
Even if they only want to have one-night stands for the rest of their life, yes, being
06:50:47.580
financially attractive, even in that scenario, is going to confer benefits over
06:51:01.600
I mean, it would be nice for you to at least...
06:51:05.900
It sounds like you guys are complaining about it.
06:51:48.220
The whole time you've been talking about we're providers.
06:51:54.040
And then you say that you don't care when a woman makes money or not.
06:51:59.580
Like, if we make no money, then you think we're like a gold digger.
06:52:03.060
And then if we make money, then you're insecure.
06:52:05.220
Because it's like, what is with the fragility of the ego, man?
06:52:08.620
I mean, there's a lot of, like, false premises there that I just outright reject.
06:52:17.620
Every time you speak, it's funny because you sort of just like trauma dump.
06:52:22.080
You're like, yeah, but the guys are going to run away as soon as they have a baby.
06:52:28.520
Let's let him ask you the questions so we can get out of here.
06:52:30.820
You also just sat on the couch on your phone for 10 minutes.
06:52:43.720
Honestly, bro, I have to wait for the roast session for this one, okay?
06:52:52.880
The statement is, a man dating a transgender woman is not straight.
06:53:06.340
Like, if he fucks a trans man, he's not a trans woman.
06:53:09.800
So, a straight man dating a trans woman, is it straight or gay?
06:53:23.440
If a straight person has sex with a trans person, does that make them straight?
06:53:34.020
No, you were shaking your head, so I just wasn't sure if there was like a disagreement.
06:53:44.940
Any final thoughts here before we wrap up the show?
06:53:47.040
We're going to do a brief row session, then we're going to wrap.
06:53:53.040
I just want to say that a lot of men, especially high-value men, are just thrilled to provide
06:54:00.900
They never complain about like, oh, it's so hard for us to provide.
06:54:06.160
Most men that take a woman out, we love to pay for the first date.
06:54:11.860
Yeah, me, I've been taken out to fancy restaurants.
06:54:16.640
Like, it's such a high school conversation, this whole thing.
06:54:24.660
It's just like a totally false premise, though.
06:54:31.280
We were talking about the gender wage gap, and I was making an argument why I think
06:54:37.120
I understand that, but it's such a turn-off when it's the first date.
06:54:42.300
Like, you aren't possibly going to offer him the best, like, a partnership.
06:54:48.540
That's not what I thought you were going to say.
06:54:57.200
After midnight, I get a little spicier, so that's why we got to...
06:55:12.900
Because I haven't been eight hours being said, like, oh, women are nothing and men suffer
06:55:20.540
God forbid you have to do an eight-hour shift, right?
06:55:22.700
I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to, like, giving it up quickly.
06:55:26.200
I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to, like, this race.
06:55:46.220
Well, if you go to, like, England or something, they're pretty bad, but those Latin countries
06:55:51.200
They are sexual, but, you know, they make you work a little bit.
06:55:55.400
You know, the thing, look, I've encountered easy to...
06:56:02.240
I've encountered women who have sex relatively quickly of all races, and I've encountered
06:56:07.580
women of all races who want to wait till marriage or wait 90 days, like...
06:56:14.260
Because you're still single, so clearly none of them.
06:56:20.380
She said, like, do you like easy girls, or do you like to work for it?
06:56:24.500
I look a girl who's easy for me and hard for everybody else.
06:56:39.700
I was saying that because you said that you like girls that are easy for you, so I said
06:56:48.500
All right, guys, we're doing a $20 roast session, and then we're going to wrap the show.
06:56:53.720
So any final thoughts from anybody else while we're getting this roast session going?
06:57:01.620
I had put on my questions that you asked us over Instagram.
06:57:09.240
Do you think it's okay for a girl to have guy friends while in a relationship?
06:57:17.540
Yeah, I think if there's a level of respect, and it isn't somebody that you've ever been intimate
06:57:22.580
in that way, like, if it's truly platonic, like a brother-sister relationship, then I think
06:57:27.180
it's fine, as long as there's communication and respect.
06:57:29.680
I don't think they should ever be, like, above your partner, because you obviously want your
06:57:34.560
partner to be the best friend, but I think a lot of the insecurity from, like, girl-guy
06:57:39.480
best friendships is because of disrespect and, like, a lack of boundary.
06:57:44.100
Men are wired a certain way, and I've heard many times in the past when girls have been
06:57:53.020
And then you ask them, but if you crept into his bed late at night, one night, after a
06:58:02.940
And it's funny, because, like, whenever guys have these female friends who are like their
06:58:10.580
So it's never the sort of the ugly ones, getting all the male friends, you know?
06:58:17.740
Oh, was there something else somebody wanted to come in on?
06:58:20.560
Let's do a couple quick shout-outs for these few things here.
06:58:44.180
Also, if you want to support the show without these, any, YouTube takes 30.
06:59:10.000
If you want to, like, fully put your patronage towards the podcast without any cut being taken.
06:59:22.360
I need to get up momentarily to get up momentarily.
06:59:37.080
What do you want to say about Brian while he's gone?
06:59:44.360
What would you like to say about Brian while he's gone?
06:59:53.100
I thought you said you wanted to engage in some Pleasures of the Flesh with Brian after the show.
06:59:57.780
I'm a little disappointed he didn't bring pizza this time.
07:00:10.000
We haven't even had a panelist buy pizza, order pizza.
07:00:15.120
Any more questions that you've got for the now lone man on the panel?
07:00:21.020
That was kind of it, but I have mostly guy friends, and so no one I've dated has had a problem with it.
07:00:29.800
But when you say you've got mostly guy friends, are these guy friends ones that you would consider platonic?
07:00:39.920
Yeah, I mean, if you crept into the bed late at night.
07:00:42.720
And went and became Big Spoon, you'd think that he'd kick you out?
07:00:45.420
But what if you know, like, your girl isn't attracted to the person?
07:00:57.680
And I've got it there, and it's my roast chicken, I'm going to eat it.
07:01:01.120
Would I put it in a room where I can't wash it with the dogs around it?
07:01:09.520
Even if my roast chicken doesn't want to be eaten.
07:01:26.980
Honestly, after this podcast, I want to die alone.
07:01:29.200
Like, that was my biggest fear, but now I want to make millions of dollars and just get a dog.
07:01:36.940
So, being on this podcast or even just listening to the women, bro, it literally makes me want to, like...
07:01:44.360
Like, it makes me want to go, like, it makes me just, like, oh, it makes me...
07:02:12.980
Make the right decisions, you'll go more down this road.
07:02:17.220
So, would you bow for your boyfriend, husband, whatever?
07:02:57.340
No, I'm not opposed to it, but you're gonna be a real special man, maybe.
07:03:11.660
I think the guys I'm attracted to, though, would...
07:03:33.540
Yeah, I know, but I'm saying some Asians do that, but some...
07:03:37.400
I'm telling you, in Asian culture, in significant other, I may be wrong, but I'm saying that most
07:03:41.940
of them, they don't bow to their significant other.
07:03:46.320
But everything she was doing in the video is what I was speaking on, like how she was
07:03:54.240
Wait, I do want you guys to remember one thing.
07:04:02.740
I'm pretty sure all of you said, maybe one of...
07:04:06.240
You said you want a guy to take a bullet for you.
07:04:07.940
You said you want a guy who's willing to die for you, but you won't do a totally effortless
07:04:18.720
You probably want guys to open car doors for you, which takes more physical effort than
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You want a guy to protect you in some sort of...
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If it's something that was meaningful and it had like significance to him, like if there
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When I said if a man makes me feel like doing...
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Like I said, it takes a special kind of man to make me want to do it.
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Okay, in this theoretical world where you are getting married, would you get on one knee
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I'm assuming you would want the guy to get down on one knee to propose to you.
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But to do it just randomly, I feel like it would make me giggle.
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That means nothing to me, so it would just make me laugh.
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You won't do the bow, but you'll get down on your knees and then move your head back
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Yeah, I think I was the only one that said no, but I think I would.
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If it was cultural or meaningful in some way, and it meant something to him, and I cared about
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But I'm saying would I just naturally be inclined to do that?
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Going around the table, what's your body count, starting with you?
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Would you be comfortable like range, like 10 to 20?
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No one's going to actually marry you after you think that way.
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Like, it's literally like men and women, women and men.
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You want men and women to have a less body count?
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Oh, men get their fucking periods on their balls.
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When you're 40, you're not going to be like this.
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Because apparently I have to be, you know, equally.
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You do realize, like, a male comedian would just be like, oh, fuck it.
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With your, like, oh, I want to digress my body count.
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You can't go to church and digress my body count.
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The same chair that you agreed to sit in as abuse is so stupid.
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You want to keep talking about how women are shit and, like, he's not going to take a bullet
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No, it's just the fact that you're just paid to be here.
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So, I would say respect him and the panel, literally.
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I'm respecting him, but he's not respecting our time.
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You literally screaming is just making it last longer.
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It's only because you didn't get that black dick today.
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I'm sure if I was going on a date with someone, but...
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This is, like, false accusation fucking territory.
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The audacity of these midders fuck busted as 304s that offer nothing but high body count
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that John Wick think most dudes want to essay them.
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Rattlesnake got the degenerate to state she supports the red rum of babies.
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Chair one says she roast men, but only roast she's bringing to men is the roast beef in
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I like dark labia only when she's sitting in the back quiet.
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When you use a personal anecdote in an attempt to bolster an argument and then recoil and
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stonewall when questions are asked, you're just being extremely bad faith.
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You can, you know, have one positive experience from this.
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If a building was on fire and you and your friend were trapped and she was pregnant, wait,
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Here, I'm going to play it one more time because I don't really...
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If a building was on fire and you and your friend were trapped and she was pregnant,
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would let a man was there to save her first or have him save you first?
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If you're both in the burning building, would you...
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Seat 4 is tripping, looking like a knock-off TAMU version of Elton John.
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SMH seat 2 hairline turns a forehead into a 5-head.
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What's the deal with seat 7 wearing the dunce cap?
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It's a pickle hobba from World War I, so it's not the dunce cap, but it's...
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He called me the R-word and spelled it wrong, so...
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I'll be praying that the women on the panel find the glory of God and can find a man they deserve.
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Remember, you are there to bring peace and to make their house into a home.
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Some of these are, like, kind of pretty good comedy, I feel like, as a comedian.
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Willing to murder a child instead of taking responsibility is not an option for any excuse.
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Bro, gentlemen, be very careful of this woman because she takes shit.
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Like, she'll bend something that happens and just, like, she'll accuse you of some crazy shit.
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Oh, they must be gay because they have a different opinion.
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No, because for eight hours you've talked about how bad women are and you keep saying,
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I didn't hear that, but I'd take it if you did say it.
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So, women, if you look at women's Instagrams and you look at the comments section, all the
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comments are gassing up these, like, mid-chicks.
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So, you're saying the women who are gassing up their female friends, they're just lesbians?
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No, but they haven't spent nine hours talking shit about women.
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If a woman calls another woman beautiful, she's a lesbian?
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No, but they haven't spent 10 hours saying, like, oh, men are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You know, actually, but the funny thing is that a lot of normal people are actually able
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to sit here and have the conversation for nine hours.
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And they don't just start screaming and squirking me out and just projecting and insulting people
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So, you're actually the outlier, which is funny.
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When you're 39 with a drinking problem, holler at me.
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When you're 39, you're like, oh, I'm the king of the world.
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I'd rather be free than with a guy like you next to me.
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You've been insulting us nonstop for the past, like, 20 years?
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You're the only person on the panel who's just being irrational and odd.
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the panel tonight.
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I don't know if we'll even show up, but I will Raid somebody over on Twitch.
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We'll do, Damien, we're going to do Peekaboo IRL over there on Twitch.
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Who's willing to take off their makeup right now?
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Somebody in my Discord said you got to buy the better shit.
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Do you want, like, just a washcloth or something?
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You guys do that while we just finish it up here.
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I actually don't need the other one if someone wants to.
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Chair 4, you don't have a body count of 600 plus.
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This is because you are too ugly, both physically and mentally.
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If you and your friend were trapped in a fire and your friend was pregnant,
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would want to a man to save you first or your friend?
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When you guys are done, can you guys hold up to the camera, to this camera here,
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I mean, I'm black, so mine's just going to be pretty.
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If my chick ever comes home smelling like baby wipes, she's for the whatever streets.
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They have a distinct scent that is not the same as that.
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So we don't have any OF girls, so I don't need to do the call to action.
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I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an opportunity to give you
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Would you consider, I don't even know what to say to be honest.
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I didn't put it on my eyes because I don't want my eyes to burn.
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There's still, you guys didn't get all of it, you know, but.
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Why don't we take off our makeup just to see what we look like?
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No, just like it's a, it's like an end of show thing we do to be nice.
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It's like a gentle, no, it's a gentlemanly, it's like, wow, the makeup, you've been wearing
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It's like same energy as like take you swimming on the first date, but.
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Can someone tell Bruno Mars that she makes enough money and can leave whenever she wants
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Maybe if she just bought the poor guy some flowers, he wouldn't have left her for the
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If you want to get that pulled up in here in just a moment, I'll do my little outro.
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Last call guys hit the like button, please on your way out.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
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Your patronage is greatly appreciated and it's going to go towards also go towards my speech
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therapy classes because clearly something's happening.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram.
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We're going to get this raid set off to peekaboo.
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Looks like he's leveling up a priest in hardcore.
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He's in the only fangs guilds over there on the hardcore server.
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