Whatever Podcast - Men Make NO EFFORT？! What Do They Bring To The Table？ HEATED DEBATE w⧸ Feminists! ｜ Dating Talk #131

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00:02:52.400 podcast or the host without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please

00:02:56.460 tell us your name age location so where are you from and occupation go ahead all right my name is

00:03:02.140 kayla i'm 24 years old i'm from joshua tree california and i am a tooth technician hi i'm talia i'm a

00:03:10.380 20 year old from the bay area i go to school here at ucsb and i'm a student what uh what do you uh what's

00:03:17.620 your major i'm an econ major econ okay welcome my name is katie i'm 29 i'm originally from vermont and

00:03:26.000 i work in child care all right welcome my name is lily i'm 21 i'm originally from the bay area but

00:03:31.840 i go here at ucsb and i'm a senior all right welcome i'm shay i'm also from the bay and i also

00:03:37.740 go to ucsb and i'm 21 major econ as well you're both econ uh no i'm bio oh bio okay so econ econ bio

00:03:45.880 got it my name is ariana i'm 21 years old and i'm a student okay welcome and i i also live in joshua

00:03:54.760 tree as well okay hi my name is vanshika i'm a henna artist and event planner moved here 18 months

00:04:03.480 before in l a basically i'm from india basically you're from india yes i'm from india okay could

00:04:10.100 it ever be like complicated you're from india no okay okay dating is kind of i would say okay um jake

00:04:18.660 28 years old rattlesnake tv on youtube from brisbane australia welcome welcome thank you

00:04:24.740 okay cool so um we are going to go around the table once more so what's everybody's current

00:04:30.880 relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship friends with benefits relationship

00:04:36.800 married polycule sex cult there's all kinds of arrangements nowadays if you're single how long

00:04:42.160 have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead

00:04:45.900 currently i am seriously dating and i'm very happy um second question you asked was

00:04:54.340 so you're your current you're currently in a relationship i am yes and my longest relationship

00:04:59.220 has been four and a half years is that your current one or no okay this one's less than half of that

00:05:05.660 uh how long have you been in your current relationship um i say we like dated but it was

00:05:13.340 long distance for a while and then i moved out here so since april it's been serious okay so is it

00:05:20.240 still long distance or now you guys it is oh still long distance so long distance okay um he's it's

00:05:27.780 kind of complicated tell us how's it complicated well um i moved out here to be closer to him and then

00:05:33.440 he moved well yeah it was long distance she moved to come and then he moved away i think he's trying

00:05:39.300 to get away from you um so okay uh but so okay you said it's complicated so you moved out here

00:05:45.220 to be with him but then is he in the military he is okay that makes sense good connection okay um

00:05:52.200 where's he now um i don't know if i'm supposed to say you don't know oh okay you just his platoon

00:05:57.740 had to go middle east huh huh okay maybe we shouldn't talk about that subject but

00:06:04.040 is he currently deployed yes oh ah okay so he moved for work yeah he did well he's coming back

00:06:13.640 three months you don't know where your boyfriend is no i do i just don't last time i posted where he

00:06:20.120 was and they told me to take it down okay all right area 51 i see oh area 51 yeah she's gonna

00:06:27.280 narrow to run um go invaded okay uh what about you uh so current i am so single and so happy about it

00:06:35.780 so but like no talking to anyone no crush is nothing like i'm so grateful what's so good about being so

00:06:42.520 single oh it's like all my energy is focused on like my friends myself my career like just being

00:06:49.320 present it's amazing i love it well and uh so so single when's um how long have you been so single

00:06:56.680 for uh like a month one month and what were you were you like kind of single before i was in like

00:07:04.660 it was like friends with friends with benefits i was abroad and i like it was like good friend

00:07:10.300 with benefits type thing you know little european fling little european you said you were abroad where

00:07:14.920 were you um spain oh in spain okay you're uh doing uh like you're an international student there

00:07:21.420 yeah like studying abroad there okay yeah and you were there for like a quarter is it the quarter

00:07:25.720 semester i was there for like a semester but i was traveling beforehand madrid yeah okay wait so hold

00:07:32.480 on uh you were dating a guy while you were in spain sure dating isn't the right word we were friends

00:07:39.820 with benefits friends we would travel together was he a spanish man no where was he from was he part of

00:07:46.260 your pro your program uh yeah we met on the first day of school american no oh what country i don't

00:07:52.440 like american boys you don't like american boys no we should we'll let everybody answer the question

00:07:57.160 but we'll come back to the what's wrong with american boys okay we can definitely hit that um

00:08:01.860 okay so um uh you came back you were in a thing while you were there yeah now you're so single

00:08:08.940 very single yes and happy happy not looking for anything cool uh well and we'll come back to some

00:08:15.400 of these uh oh longest relationship a year one year okay gotcha what about you what were the

00:08:23.720 questions again um yeah so uh current relationship status if you're single how long have you been

00:08:29.800 single longest relationship um so currently between single and in a poly relationship i consider myself

00:08:38.700 non-monogamous um i do have a lover that's cross seas right now not military um but

00:08:46.540 yeah and longest relationship is four and a half years is that your current no paul okay no so you

00:08:56.400 said you're single but you have your i consider it a polyamorous relationship how long is your

00:09:05.380 current this current relationship um i've known this person for a little over a year um so it's been

00:09:10.700 can you speak a little closer than mike please yes um i've known this person a little over a year

00:09:15.700 um on and off relationship is this the person who's overseas yeah and he he's also uh considers himself

00:09:23.140 non-monogamous you don't know so have you told him that you're non-monogamous i think it's an

00:09:29.220 understanding have you explicitly said that no but we weren't together and then i came i was in

00:09:37.260 vermont and then i came back and he was has gone to thailand um and he's probably experiencing the

00:09:44.380 local spices over there i don't know he's working he's really busy and i mean we still talk and i so i

00:09:50.400 very much love him very much and when we see each other we'll very much be together but i'm also just

00:09:56.260 like my own person it's a wrong split nick um okay so hold on uh open relationships open relationships

00:10:05.020 it's the way to go it's the way to go it's the way to go are you uh you so you have your main right

00:10:10.540 that's my understanding with like polyamorous right there's like a main and then right or there could

00:10:14.940 be multiple you're all just loving together each other yeah so polyamory would be that you have is

00:10:21.600 technically that you have your main two so that that he's i consider him he's my lover right that's

00:10:26.940 who my heart is very much in love with him um but you still can have other going dates and

00:10:32.800 other encounters would you ever marry that person i don't know i i think yes marriage has been a whole

00:10:42.020 like i thought for 25 years of my life that oh i want to get married white picket fence that whole

00:10:46.480 lifestyle until i started traveling and fell in love with myself and now it's like relationships are

00:10:53.260 actually quite difficult now for me to be in is that do you reckon you because you've had too many

00:10:57.620 experiences on your travels that you can't quite stick to one person or um very little experiences on

00:11:04.580 my travels yeah it's more you know i was very in long-term relationships about three to four

00:11:09.940 four and a half years before traveling and then after that decided to just be in love with myself

00:11:15.680 for a while and like you're saying the whole single thing is a big thing and encouraged for

00:11:20.600 young women would you would you want to do that forever though just be in love with yourself or 0.99

00:11:25.540 would you want to share your life with somebody i want to share my life with a lot of people i love

00:11:31.340 a lot of people and i think love is more expansive than just one person but in terms of a romantic love

00:11:37.840 you'd want to have romantic love with lots of different people that's what open relationships 0.67

00:11:41.000 are yeah and what about having kids though would you want to have kids i believe so i mean i work

00:11:46.000 in child care so for again 25 years of my life i thought i wanted that i was ready to have kids with

00:11:51.940 the person i was with in that four and a half year relationship um which actually was pretty toxic

00:11:58.220 of a relationship um so it's crazy to think i would have had a baby with someone then and now to

00:12:03.760 come to find out just a few years later of having time with myself i definitely want to have a child

00:12:09.460 of my own obviously to continue um but would you maintain the polyamorous lifestyle if you had a

00:12:15.200 child with somebody i don't know yeah are you uh you so you have your main are you seeing any other

00:12:21.640 guys currently no okay or women just to be clear okay so you you are bisexual you date both okay

00:12:29.380 um but you're not seeing anybody else no okay but if something were to come along you might

00:12:35.320 consider it entertain it yes okay got it what about you um i do i reintroduce myself my name is lily

00:12:44.160 and i've been single my whole life okay that is my relationship that else i am sting i am single

00:12:49.160 single your whole life yes um what's the but you i'm sure you've dated people i've gone on dates but i

00:12:55.980 don't think i've ever like settled down and like committed to being a relationship um person what's

00:13:00.640 the longest consecutive period of time that you've dated one person i've never dated anybody well like

00:13:08.500 maybe there was a guy or a girl are you bisexual you're bi okay have you dated a guy or a girl uh

00:13:16.740 you know maybe it was a casual thing for like a period of a month two months three months have you had

00:13:21.420 that i've got like i've gone on dates with the concept like a person consecutively for a long

00:13:26.300 period of time but i don't think i've ever like asked to be someone's girlfriend before so what

00:13:30.040 about like a friends with benefits have you had like a three month six month what about situationship

00:13:35.540 yes how long what's the longest situationship that you've had three months three months got it okay

00:13:41.220 was that was that with a guy or a girl guy guy okay got it okay um and is that people have

00:13:49.220 they've had an interest in having a relationship and you haven't or yes okay i just i am very

00:13:56.980 independent person i like to dedicate a lot of time to myself and like i said i like to work on

00:14:00.780 myself a lot i'm very much just like an independent person and i have extremely high goals for myself

00:14:05.720 so it's hard to find time to even have a relationship you said sorry go ahead oh no just

00:14:10.760 like i'm very focused on myself well you said you're a bio major are you interested in pursuing

00:14:15.320 medicine is that absolutely you want to be a doctor i want to be a professor oh professor okay

00:14:21.280 um of biology immunology immunology i see okay uh and so i assume that would mean that you have to

00:14:31.360 pursue a phd so i yeah it certainly takes a quite a bit of time um so is it do you want to have kids

00:14:38.000 one day absolutely absolutely okay and so but it sounds like to me at the time being you're kind

00:14:44.980 of disregarding the pursuit of a relationship because right now you're kind of focused on your

00:14:50.580 studies and you want to achieve certain things and perhaps that's something maybe i don't know if you

00:14:56.200 have a sense of a timeline maybe in your mid to late 20s maybe early 30s that's when you would like

00:15:00.580 to exactly i feel like i'd like to settle down with someone in like my late 20s maybe like 25 26 you

00:15:06.040 know and then have kids dedicate my 30s to my kids do you have a sense of would you prefer that

00:15:11.980 person to be a man would you prefer to be a woman because i know you said did you say you want kids 1.00

00:15:15.900 right yes yeah um so would you prefer do you have a preference there when i do not have a preference

00:15:22.360 i think okay so open to adoption or absolutely okay seriously okay got it okay um what about you

00:15:28.600 i'm in a serious relationship right now all right relationship how long have you been in the

00:15:33.200 relationship for for about seven months seven months okay got it what about you i'm currently

00:15:41.260 married and my longest relationship is three years is that your current yes my current relationship

00:15:47.540 gotcha how long have you been married um like a year and three months probably a year and three

00:15:53.620 months okay cool i'm currently single and i would say i'm single from last seven months so yeah you

00:16:04.280 said okay single for the last seven months longest relationship it was two years two years okay got it

00:16:11.060 all right um and you uh how long have you been in the u.s because you're from india correct yeah i would

00:16:20.560 say 18 months can you i would say 18 months 18 months okay all right uh so but you've been

00:16:29.000 single for seven months in that seven month period so you wait you did have a relationship

00:16:33.460 here in the u.s for period of time okay six months why did he dump you kidding sorry i am

00:16:41.700 i get to know that he's married oh he was married okay how did you uh not know that that's that's

00:16:50.980 what the problem i he didn't like i didn't get to know the way he portrays himself it's like

00:16:56.220 he's a single person and he was giving me good time he was like taking care of me i didn't realize

00:17:02.320 i honestly i had like no idea he can't be married

00:17:05.760 but yeah did you never go to his house or anything like did he have a wedding ring

00:17:10.420 on his no did you go to his house sorry did you go to his house no because honestly i'm i was

00:17:17.940 working a lot so i was like working a lot so how long were you dating him six months you never went 0.87

00:17:25.380 to his abode no he always went to your place i would say hotel meetups oh at my place i would

00:17:35.080 say yeah but not a lot so how did you find out i found out through his phone did you get in there

00:17:43.640 by yourself or did he let you in it was eventually honestly and also one thing was about his house

00:17:49.000 that uh it was like he said he lives in a some certain place but i found a mail that says another

00:17:56.860 address you went there didn't you yeah so that that tricked me like why this is a lie did you drive

00:18:03.380 past the address sorry did you drive past the address no don't lie to me did you did you not

00:18:08.660 i strictly asked him i strictly asked him and he was like kind of get panicked oh you're going through

00:18:14.260 my mails and this and that was that's not what i'm asking you need to answer me and yeah he didn't

00:18:20.200 answer so i i kind of get an idea like something is fishy going on so yeah but i get to know it so i have

00:18:27.160 turned it up for sure and i did good times uh we'll dive more into that in a little bit jake what

00:18:35.000 is your uh relationship situation 28 and single and that's about it sweet okay and you've been

00:18:42.680 traveling a lot recently any uh any love connections on your many travels too busy i just stay inside my

00:18:50.440 apartments my abnbs the whole time and work no lady friends you know i don't get time you don't

00:18:55.940 got time i don't get okay he's focused he's focused on the grind he is focused on the grind okay cool

00:19:02.480 well um so i have a few uh notes here that we need to go over let me just see um i actually hmm i think

00:19:09.480 a good starting point would be actually before we get back into some of the people's uh relationship

00:19:13.820 statuses uh hold on one sec guys i have a kind of a light question to start if you had to choose

00:19:22.860 would you rather your boyfriend cheat on you with a girl who is hotter or uglier than you if you had 1.00

00:19:30.700 to choose uglier and we'll go around the table we'll start with you and we'll go around okay so for you 0.98

00:19:38.340 okay what about you um sure uglier yeah i guess okay okay i'm gonna pass on that question

00:19:51.140 what why why because i think looks are objective or subjective right so i don't hold on hold on okay

00:20:02.320 who's to say that she's uglier prettier than i am um not going there well wait hold on uh just

00:20:11.280 one care are you are you straight no you're bi yes so you can't make a determination whether somebody

00:20:20.480 is physically attractive to you i can but not if she's prettier than i am or not

00:20:24.880 i'm so you you can assess someone's attractiveness but not if they're more attractive than you yeah

00:20:35.600 okay um

00:20:42.320 can i ask you a question sure okay who here is more or less attractive oh yeah you want me to

00:20:48.080 i could do that yes please i could do that i feel like it might be how you do that because i don't

00:20:53.280 understand it might be a little rude it would be right it might be a little rude but this is a

00:20:58.320 i'm asking you a hypothetical question so it's rude in the sense that i can't answer that unless

00:21:04.880 there's a girl there give me a hypothetical girl what's she look like give me details who's like 1.00

00:21:08.880 victoria's secret supermodel versus um then i would understand why he cheated on me but would you

00:21:14.480 rather him cheat with the victoria's secret supermodel or um hulk hogan wearing a wig

00:21:19.920 i would honestly say the hotter chick because i would say i want him to have standards like if

00:21:27.040 he's gonna sleep with someone that low then what was i there's the question there we go there we all 0.94

00:21:32.160 right what about you i'm gonna go prettier prettier okay uglier yeah uglier uglier okay so why 0.71

00:21:43.120 you want to start with me yeah we'll start with you i would say that's the basic thing like like

00:21:51.120 maybe my english is like it's not my first language i don't sometimes have the proper words so was his

00:21:56.800 wife hotter or uglier than you say it again please was his wife hotter or uglier than you i would say that 1.00

00:22:05.840 obviously if a person is i maybe i've misunderstood the question can you just read run again uh i asked 0.96

00:22:14.320 the question was was your last boyfriend when you when you saw his family photos with him and his wife

00:22:19.760 was she hotter or uglier than you um she was good she was beautiful i would say i can i don't want to 0.99

00:22:25.680 compare she she's beautiful a beautiful lady i would say hotter or uglier than you though what do you think 1.00

00:22:32.000 if you had to say it i have to say because normally if you have if you go for a side girl i reckon the

00:22:36.080 side girl's probably going to be hotter i would say she is beautiful that's it okay um i would say 1.00

00:22:46.560 uglier because it would probably hurt less i don't know i think it would just hurt less would it be less

00:22:51.840 of a threat yeah i think so yeah okay um if he's cheating at that point i'm already 0.94

00:23:01.760 leaving and in my mind i'd rather uh think of him with an ugly girl than with a pretty girl

00:23:06.960 because that's at that point kind of sure this week okay i said prettier because if she's bad 1.00

00:23:14.000 i'll sleep with her too there you have it okay what about you oh well you need more opinion

00:23:20.320 it's a podcast let me just say for the ones that are saying the ugly that what like you gotta

00:23:28.000 your self-value you know like you are so beautiful the question wasn't if you think you're beautiful

00:23:33.040 though it's like if they think you think they're uglier or hotter than you and why yeah but when

00:23:37.280 you're saying like oh they're i want them to be uglier than me because it's boost your self-esteem

00:23:42.240 like that doesn't matter you don't think people have egos people have egos totally does yeah and

00:23:46.480 that's what the question's about okay people's egos thank you we all have them oh totally so do you

00:23:51.440 yeah so what do you think i think i said what i think but why would they be why would you want

00:23:56.800 hotter well i said because i want them to have the standard because i think their standards would be

00:24:03.360 i'm at that same standard so if they're liking victoria's secret girls then i'm like a victoria's

00:24:08.000 secret girl must be wait i don't know if that really checks out though okay so wait is the logic here

00:24:16.880 i'm dating my boyfriend my boyfriend is attracted to me if he sleeps with a girl of a certain

00:24:22.160 physical attractiveness ergo i must be just as physically attractive as the other woman he

00:24:27.840 sleeps with is that the logic sure i'm not that doesn't sound like a very i think she's saying

00:24:36.720 she's saying that his standards must be high so therefore she must fall within those standards

00:24:40.960 like when they go lower when they go down when they go to uglier girls it's just like 1.00

00:24:47.280 yo what happened to your standards like i've had this guy like dated a guy that had pretty girlfriend

00:24:51.760 after pretty girlfriend after pretty girlfriend and then you see after so long he starts going down

00:24:56.960 because they start finding out he's not a very good person you know and so he has to start being

00:25:03.840 so you're saying that his girlfriends got uglier

00:25:07.760 subjectively 0.94

00:25:10.800 yes okay

00:25:15.120 yeah this is kind of a hard question i kind of agree with everyone like i would just look at the guy and

00:25:20.000 i'd be like i'd more look at the girl like what does she what is it about like the personality 1.00

00:25:24.960 maybe that caught him like if he's just sleeping with her because she's hot like good for him like 0.98

00:25:29.040 that's great like um but it would be it would be beyond the appearance which is what would irk me

00:25:34.960 it wouldn't really like i don't think the first thing that would come to my mind is like oh she's

00:25:38.400 prettier than me i wouldn't be comparing myself to her like that okay what about you i think

00:25:44.400 it would be more for my mental just feeling like i wouldn't have to worry about her anymore and you

00:25:50.080 said you'd prefer if she was ugly uglier just listen to some beyonce and just get over yeah and he can 1.00

00:25:54.640 live with that regret you know yeah okay good times good times so one thing i want to go back to

00:26:00.720 here for a little bit is uh some of the people's answers to the relationship status question um you

00:26:07.680 said that you uh were not a big fan of american boys uh before i have you kind of elaborate on that

00:26:13.520 anybody here concur with her her opinion are you not fans um i mean i don't know maybe some of you

00:26:20.880 haven't been out of country or haven't met an international person uh in a romantic sense

00:26:25.600 anyways um i guess general yeah i feel like you can't really answer this question if you haven't

00:26:34.000 met an internet well anyways um does anybody else want to weigh in on that any thoughts on american men

00:26:39.600 they're up there canada huh they're up there with canadians and where do they sit in the parking

00:26:46.880 order i like white boys you like white white boys well i suppose you could get a

00:26:52.320 norwegians are cool too norwegians what about swede swedes what do you think about the swedes i

00:26:58.080 don't know the finish what do you think about the finish i don't know what i know what about the

00:27:01.600 danes you like that you like the danish i don't know do you like the danish sure yeah i like danish

00:27:08.240 are there any other scandinavian countries i'm i hit i hit finland scandin denmark sweden norway

00:27:15.040 are there other scandinavian those are the four main is iceland scandinavian yep is that iceland is

00:27:22.640 yep scandinavian yeah but they're kind of like over there yeah like like you meet in

00:27:27.520 ice they're not like they're aren't they isn't iceland that's next to uh canada isn't it no no

00:27:32.960 no that's that's greenland oh that's i'm thinking greenland does anyone even live on greenland

00:27:38.160 i think it's funny because greenland is icy and iceland is green i heard that in the disney movie

00:27:43.600 like 20 years okay anyways um she likes that you like that um like arian flavor blonde hair blue eyes

00:27:50.240 not necessarily blonde hair blue eyes but just you know just to me what about the dutch do you like

00:27:55.040 the dutch um i don't know anyone who's dutch the netherlands like from another i don't know anyone

00:28:00.800 from there okay all right um she goose stepped in here yeah uh so okay you we'll go around the table 0.96

00:28:07.760 well actually before we get to you um has anybody dated someone internationally compare and contrast

00:28:14.480 with american men i mean you're you got some indian dating experience so india dating experience

00:28:21.680 what do you want to know about in a dating experience compare them to american men compare

00:28:25.680 to american oh yeah i would say they are they call you forever ready for marriage

00:28:29.760 hey what sorry they are forever ready for marriage okay as as as as an indians are forever 1.00

00:28:37.600 ready for marriage yeah i would say like 70 percent of them they want to take because they want to

00:28:42.880 get married but as you find american men a little bit harder to sort of lock down oh i have a couple

00:28:50.960 of friends i wouldn't say i haven't dated that much so i don't know the thoughts about that but

00:28:55.520 like i have friends they are in dating life and they are just you know seeing each other i've

00:28:59.200 i've seen this they're just like they're seeing each other and sees wherever it goes and none no

00:29:05.600 don't want to get married no thoughts about it definitely no to marriage thoughts like that

00:29:13.200 anybody else yeah my boyfriend's um international too it's long distance but in my

00:29:18.640 um um so my boyfriend's also international in my experience is um even if there's different like

00:29:28.560 if there's similar hookup cultures in different countries um other countries the guys will put in

00:29:33.600 a little bit more effort so whether that's flowers or taking you out on dates or complimenting you they're

00:29:39.040 a lot sweeter um than these american men who are i guess accustomed to the hookup culture that we have

00:29:45.120 here where it's a little bit less effort to get into a situationship or to like get with someone

00:29:51.120 what do you why do you think the reason is that men aren't giving you flowers and being sweet 1.00

00:29:55.840 well i think that abroad men are just raised a little bit differently like in my culture like

00:30:02.160 i'm russian it's standard that there needs to be flowers in the house and so these men are raised to

00:30:07.280 bring flowers to their mom to their sisters not just the girls that they're trying to get with

00:30:13.040 here in america i don't think that's taught so if you went on a first date with a guy and he bought

00:30:16.880 flowers you'd be flooded by that yeah i think that's an extra step um it shows that he cares

00:30:22.960 that he's putting in the effort you said your your current boyfriend it's long distance where's

00:30:28.000 where's he from he's in israel okay um so he's israeli okay um and so okay um he's is and you said it's

00:30:39.280 always been long distance or yeah so um yeah i met him in the summer lived there for a little

00:30:44.720 bit and now i'm doing long distance okay um so you say men american men they don't put in enough

00:30:52.560 effort as much yeah and you said you did say that uh the men in these other countries perhaps where

00:31:00.000 they do make more effort they're they're raised differently and when you say they're raised differently

00:31:04.000 do you mean they're raised better perhaps in terms of how they treat women yeah i think so

00:31:09.920 there's a lot more emphasis do you do you also think correspondingly that the women in these other

00:31:15.200 countries are also raised better i can't really speak on that in terms of relationships because

00:31:22.480 i've never like gone on dates i've never seen how a woman would treat me in a different um country okay 0.86

00:31:28.240 all right uh anybody else do you have experience international guys i don't have any national guys

00:31:37.200 okay we'll come back we'll come to you then since you originally uh made the comments um so american

00:31:41.680 boys you're fed up with american boys um can you expand on that what do you what's your been what's

00:31:48.240 your experience been it's the accents it's what gets me i love the accents no i'm kidding

00:31:53.360 oh okay well that too but um i mean maybe it's because i meet all these people like i also travel

00:31:59.120 a lot so i meet a lot of people in like hostels or people who are traveling all over the world

00:32:03.200 like you tend to be a little bit more open you know if you're traveling and just like more genuine

00:32:08.320 so maybe the international people that i've met are you know just kind of like-minded in that way

00:32:13.440 but yeah i don't know it's just more fun um it's more interesting to me like i like learning

00:32:20.560 about you know your country your culture where you're from um that's just something that i'm

00:32:25.600 interested in um the banter is different you know the the language even is different it's just like

00:32:31.520 a whole new realm it's fun okay any um i think you've provided some reasons why perhaps you prefer

00:32:39.760 dating uh not american men is there any do you have any criticisms though of american

00:32:45.200 men criticisms of yeah it sounded like well here's the positives of dating yeah international

00:32:50.400 yeah yeah tell us whatever that what are some of the uh i mean shana talked a lot about it like the

00:32:54.720 effort i mean we like i go to school here yeah isla vista is a huge hookup culture like the frats

00:33:01.440 here you know they don't even let like guys into the parties it's only like the frat guys and then like

00:33:07.680 beautiful beautiful women and they kind of like sit on like the fence and like look for the for women to 1.00

00:33:13.920 like pick the the hookup culture here is crazy i just i don't know and i think that american men

00:33:19.440 just aren't as mature at our age at 20 as people in other countries who aren't as coddled and who

00:33:27.040 might you know have to work or i do not even work just like do they're just raised differently i don't

00:33:32.320 know more mature okay uh so it sounds like lack of effort is certainly uh lack of effort and depth

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00:34:56.000 So, wait, going back to the effort thing, going around the panel, do you guys think that men don't put in enough effort when it comes to modern, or when it comes to dating, starting with you?

00:35:13.720 I've had experience with L.A. boys dating, and it's just a no for me.

00:35:18.760 It's so shallow.

00:35:20.140 They're kind of like leeches, even though you know the connection is not there right off the bat.

00:35:23.960 I'm a cut-and-run type of girl, so I have literally ditched dates before, even if I was the ride.

00:35:31.400 That's how bad dating is here.

00:35:33.520 Wait, hold on.

00:35:34.280 What do you mean by what is a cut-and-run?

00:35:36.820 Cut-and-run is just kind of like I'm whether or not feeling anything romantic or potential, and I'm not big on hookups, maybe in high school a little bit.

00:35:47.040 But, like, now it's just, no, like, I would never, I would, if I was in a relationship right now, I would not date at the moment.

00:35:57.000 You are in a relationship right now.

00:35:58.300 I am. I'm sorry.

00:35:58.620 If I wasn't in a relationship right now, I would not date at the moment.

00:36:01.780 I see.

00:36:02.420 Well, so, have you ever done a bathroom break where you've just said, I'm going to the toilet and then left?

00:36:10.720 I don't think so.

00:36:11.840 I think I'm more obvious and literally run.

00:36:15.600 Literally.

00:36:16.220 Or drive away, yeah.

00:36:18.040 There are leeches out there.

00:36:20.320 Wait, so, can you break down the whole, so you'll just leave a date?

00:36:24.960 Mm-hmm.

00:36:25.340 Will you tell the date that you're, oh, that's nice.

00:36:28.340 Well, I will leave them after I say, like, a few times I want to go home or this, like, I'm not, like, never, like, at their place.

00:36:37.820 Well, maybe I would leave their place.

00:36:39.180 Yeah, probably.

00:36:39.960 I don't know.

00:36:41.320 There's too many stories.

00:36:43.980 Wait, so, I'm, you're on the date.

00:36:46.640 You're not feeling it.

00:36:47.600 Mm-hmm.

00:36:48.860 So, example?

00:36:49.860 I don't think it's, I mean, you use the term cut-and-run.

00:36:52.100 And to me, that sort of paints it to me as if you're, like, walking up, doing the bathroom thing, and then just kind of ghosting.

00:37:00.220 Yeah.

00:37:00.680 If you're not feeling it, it occurs to me that it certainly would, it's fair to, you know, some diplomatically and politely communicate that, you know, you don't feel a connection.

00:37:10.120 And then excusing yourself.

00:37:11.960 Yeah.

00:37:12.160 Are you actually, like, just, ha, ha, I'm going to the bathroom?

00:37:17.460 Yeah, pretty much.

00:37:18.860 Pretty much I'll, like, grab a friend or something.

00:37:20.880 If it's at a party setting, I'll grab a friend and be like, let's go.

00:37:23.560 But the last time I did it was when I went to the beach in Venice and I was the driver and he would not leave.

00:37:31.580 Like, he kept wanting to go place to place.

00:37:33.980 So when, he even said he would pay for, like, the parking.

00:37:36.980 So I was, like, okay, when he goes to place for parking, I'm going to just leave him there.

00:37:40.400 And I did.

00:37:41.640 Does your boyfriend get reception in Area 51?

00:37:44.080 Oh, yeah.

00:37:44.400 Can he watch this?

00:37:44.860 He does.

00:37:45.280 Yeah.

00:37:45.840 Hours are different, though.

00:37:47.120 Okay, cool.

00:37:48.040 So what's, like, what's the worst story where you actually felt a little bit bad after it?

00:37:53.240 After leaving someone?

00:37:54.720 Never.

00:37:55.320 Never?

00:37:55.980 No.

00:37:56.520 If you were that person, you might have felt bad.

00:37:58.760 What's the worst story?

00:37:59.440 Yeah, but I'm a big girl.

00:38:00.320 I can take care of myself, you know.

00:38:01.600 I get a ride home, you know, talk to a friend about it.

00:38:04.300 I don't know.

00:38:04.520 I would never keep company with someone who didn't want my company in return.

00:38:09.340 And that's where guys do not care.

00:38:11.840 So there's no stories where you can think that were particularly memorable?

00:38:15.480 Like, oh, I felt bad.

00:38:16.580 Yeah.

00:38:17.420 No.

00:38:18.540 That maybe someone else with a conscience would have felt bad at all?

00:38:21.500 I have a conscience.

00:38:24.620 Wait, I'm just, so how many times, because, like, you said there was once where you were at a party.

00:38:30.460 I mean, I feel like that's a bit different than if you've intentionally gone out one-on-one to meet somebody.

00:38:37.040 If you're just, if it's more of a casual thing, like, oh, yeah, we can meet at this party.

00:38:42.020 I mean, I think that's a little less if you just, like, dipped from the party.

00:38:47.540 I don't object to that to the same degree if it was, like, a scheduled date.

00:38:52.880 But it sounds like you've done that on dates, right?

00:38:56.020 Yes.

00:38:56.400 When he gets the parking.

00:38:58.440 Well, on a date, it's, like, one time he had one penny in his bank account after ordering so much food.

00:39:06.680 And I wasn't going to pay for it, so I excused myself nicely and left.

00:39:11.900 So he had one penny after paying for all the food for you guys?

00:39:14.900 No.

00:39:15.460 His card was denying.

00:39:16.960 And then he was like, oh, I have only a penny.

00:39:18.640 And he wasn't aware that he had only a penny before the date?

00:39:22.940 He didn't act like he knew.

00:39:25.120 So I was, you know.

00:39:26.520 Wait, okay.

00:39:28.340 So how did you excuse yourself?

00:39:29.720 Like, role play, this is, uh...

00:39:30.860 Oh, I called my friend, and she lived down the street from the restaurant, and her boyfriend ended up paying for him, but I just didn't see him after that.

00:39:41.000 I mean, if you're going to go on a date, you should probably be prepared to take care of it.

00:39:46.480 Like, how do you ask someone?

00:39:48.940 Did he ask you to go get food?

00:39:50.860 Yeah, it was a date.

00:39:52.160 Yeah, he asked you to go get food, and maybe he was hustling.

00:39:55.560 Did it never occur to you that maybe you might have to pay?

00:40:00.280 I thought about paying, but I was, like, so into, like, my business at the time that I was, like, I'm not about to pay for a guy who flexes so much, acts so wealthy, drives nice cars, and then has a penny on his card.

00:40:14.740 I don't know, I just didn't feel right paying.

00:40:18.400 How do you just have a penny on your...

00:40:21.040 I have no idea.

00:40:22.740 It's not even possible, a penny on your card.

00:40:24.600 Usually a credit card, like, it's not...

00:40:26.180 Yeah, he didn't have a credit card?

00:40:27.900 I guess not.

00:40:29.900 I don't know what to do with this story.

00:40:31.340 I don't even understand.

00:40:32.260 That's very confusing to me.

00:40:33.400 I'm confused.

00:40:34.800 All right.

00:40:35.620 So, okay, that's...

00:40:36.360 So, do you think men should put in more effort?

00:40:38.660 Um, it...

00:40:41.420 Depending on...

00:40:42.660 I think they should date intentionally.

00:40:44.640 They should date intentionally?

00:40:45.840 Date intentionally.

00:40:46.560 How...

00:40:46.740 What do you mean by that?

00:40:47.520 Like, just know what you want before you start dating.

00:40:50.260 If you, like, if you want to go out there and have fun, go have fun.

00:40:53.340 Like, if you don't want to put in that much effort, that's totally fine.

00:40:55.540 Like, you can have fun.

00:40:56.760 If you want to be in a relationship, don't string people along.

00:41:00.140 Put in the effort.

00:41:01.440 You know, put yourself out there.

00:41:03.500 I just think dating intentionally.

00:41:05.060 Are you dating intentionally?

00:41:06.160 Uh, right now, I don't want to date, so that's my intention, is not dating.

00:41:11.580 Not dating.

00:41:12.140 So, if someone that you found attractive were to, uh, interact with you, you would say,

00:41:17.320 not interested at all?

00:41:18.800 Um, if they were to ask...

00:41:21.060 That's, that's, that's...

00:41:22.700 Yeah, right now, like, I don't want anything, but I'm still open to, like...

00:41:27.000 Like, if a strapping Australian MMA fighter...

00:41:29.820 Yeah.

00:41:30.320 Um, just was like, hello, love.

00:41:34.580 Sorry, Jake.

00:41:35.340 Uh, you know, you're not gonna...

00:41:38.340 Nothing?

00:41:39.300 I'd flirt, you know?

00:41:40.500 I'd flirt.

00:41:40.980 I'd see what the vibes were, but, like...

00:41:43.120 Okay, all right.

00:41:43.720 Yeah.

00:41:44.060 Okay.

00:41:44.540 I don't know.

00:41:45.120 All right, what about you?

00:41:45.920 Should men...

00:41:46.380 Do you think men, they don't put in enough effort?

00:41:48.540 I don't think it's about putting in more effort or less effort.

00:41:52.580 It's about putting in the effort in the right places, which then comes down to learning about

00:41:56.580 love languages.

00:41:57.580 What, what are the right places?

00:41:59.520 Well, that's different to each person.

00:42:01.280 So, when you know your love languages, then that's where the effort needs to be put into.

00:42:05.660 So, often, you'd see men giving in what their love language is and saying, like, they like

00:42:13.520 to get gifts and they're gonna give this woman all these gifts, all these gifts, all these 1.00

00:42:16.580 gifts and say, I'm putting in all this effort.

00:42:18.180 I'm doing all these things for you, but if she doesn't care about material stuff and 1.00

00:42:22.260 what she wants is just, like, time or to be talked to or, like, little things like

00:42:28.540 that, then to her, she's not gonna recept it and she's gonna be like, you're not doing

00:42:33.140 anything for me.

00:42:33.980 And what is your love language?

00:42:35.360 What's the love language that you like to receive?

00:42:38.960 Lots of them.

00:42:41.000 Have you had to whittle it down to your favorite few?

00:42:43.700 Aren't there only five?

00:42:44.900 No.

00:42:45.180 I thought there were five.

00:42:45.680 There's not.

00:42:46.660 There's more of them and I don't know all that right now.

00:42:49.040 Not me too, but...

00:42:50.280 There's a few?

00:42:51.720 There is more than the five.

00:42:53.300 I have looked into this.

00:42:54.740 I can't tell you off the top of my head.

00:42:56.980 If you had to say some of your faves, though.

00:42:58.580 Yeah, what are your faves?

00:43:00.880 I mean, I do like gifts.

00:43:02.380 I will say that.

00:43:03.240 I do like gifts.

00:43:04.280 And I know that.

00:43:05.260 So, a good way to know your love languages are how you give to other people, because that's

00:43:09.500 what I'm saying.

00:43:10.000 We learned the rainbow rule in school of treat others how you want to be treated.

00:43:14.140 That's not right.

00:43:14.820 Let's treat others how they need to be treated.

00:43:17.160 So, often we'd be...

00:43:18.560 I really like gifts, right?

00:43:20.240 So, I love Christmas and I love birthdays.

00:43:22.440 I love giving people presents and stuff.

00:43:24.860 And often I've run into situations where they're like, oh, I don't really care about birthdays.

00:43:29.320 But I do.

00:43:30.280 I love it.

00:43:31.160 And that's where you realize it's like, okay, that's more about me than it is about them.

00:43:34.820 Um, I...

00:43:37.680 That's okay.

00:43:39.240 Intellect.

00:43:39.920 There's...

00:43:40.160 See, that's where it goes into the other one, is like that there's intellect.

00:43:42.760 I really appreciate having a conversation.

00:43:45.360 I like a good debate, not getting into an argument, but able to have that debate back

00:43:49.300 and forth.

00:43:50.380 Um, have other conversations and open mind.

00:43:53.260 So, would you consider yourself more on the left, like the liberal side of the, of the

00:43:58.340 thought spectrum?

00:43:59.080 I consider myself like out in space when it comes to all that.

00:44:01.920 I have no idea.

00:44:02.800 Okay, cool, cool, cool.

00:44:03.320 So, you're more of like a spiritual type?

00:44:05.440 For sure.

00:44:05.720 That sort of thing?

00:44:06.320 Yeah.

00:44:06.420 Right.

00:44:06.820 So, you like men who are the spiritual type?

00:44:10.120 Um, it's a hard question because I was in a relationship with a spiritual guy and I

00:44:23.140 think that a lot of men that are coming into spirituality are not ethically working with

00:44:31.200 it in the right ways and so... 1.00

00:44:32.940 They're just doing it for pussy? 1.00

00:44:34.720 Um... 1.00

00:44:35.320 Like, ah, heart chakras, right?

00:44:37.500 There's something I can't say on here, so...

00:44:39.080 What?

00:44:40.280 They're...

00:44:40.560 They're doing it for manipulation, we'll say.

00:44:43.260 I think the best way to know that you don't want a spiritual guy is to date one. 0.99

00:44:48.480 The whole, the universe sort of guys.

00:44:50.240 If they're coming off like, oh, I know all this, like, come hang out with me and we're

00:44:54.240 spiritual in love and let me like massage on you, like, that's red flags, okay?

00:44:58.140 It's another...

00:44:58.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:58.700 That's like, if they're going in and they're taking their time to not date and do their work

00:45:02.820 and they'll talk about their emotions and they'll cry with you, that's a spiritual guy

00:45:06.280 that I'm interested in spending more time with.

00:45:08.220 I mean, what if they're, like, trying to do Reiki?

00:45:10.560 Reiki?

00:45:11.040 Reiki is not hands-on.

00:45:13.420 Huh?

00:45:13.800 Reiki is not hands-on. 1.00

00:45:14.920 No, but it's like, don't they do, like, this shit? 1.00

00:45:17.340 Sure. 1.00

00:45:17.640 If you're certified in that and you're doing that practice and it seems appropriate...

00:45:20.700 Do you strike me as somebody who might be into the spiritual realm a little bit?

00:45:23.980 Yeah.

00:45:24.480 Summonsing some things?

00:45:26.240 Who believes...

00:45:27.100 Wait, who here believes in astrology?

00:45:31.460 Show of hands.

00:45:33.580 Anybody?

00:45:34.100 Really?

00:45:34.700 Astrology?

00:45:35.680 We got one, we got a maybe, we got nothing.

00:45:38.480 Astrology?

00:45:39.020 No.

00:45:39.120 I would say I'm kind of spiritual, but...

00:45:41.440 Not into the astrology thing?

00:45:42.520 Astrology, not.

00:45:43.100 Okay.

00:45:44.100 More research.

00:45:45.200 Good.

00:45:45.920 More research.

00:45:46.800 Yeah, I don't know. 1.00

00:45:47.660 You can just say, that's fucking bullshit. 1.00

00:45:50.020 No, no, I just, I don't know enough about it. 1.00

00:45:51.960 It's okay.

00:45:52.000 You don't got to pull your punches.

00:45:52.820 I don't know enough about it.

00:45:53.680 I don't know enough about it.

00:45:54.560 About astrology?

00:45:55.840 Yeah.

00:45:56.160 About how, like, if you're a Taurus, that that means, like, you are, like, bound to certain

00:46:01.840 personality traits and behaviors and just based on the alignment of the stars, which

00:46:07.580 is kind of dubious at best, but...

00:46:10.880 It goes deeper than that, though.

00:46:12.680 Well, give me a 30 minute, or sorry, 30...

00:46:15.140 All right, so, like...

00:46:15.960 No, no, no, 30, 30, 30, 30.

00:46:17.880 30 seconds.

00:46:18.920 You can jump at the building.

00:46:20.240 The basic, like, the basic part of astrology, so we are born with our zodiac sign that we

00:46:24.780 all know, the month that we're born in, for instance, I'm born in June, so I'd be a

00:46:28.000 Gemini, right?

00:46:28.720 Yeah.

00:46:29.220 So that's our sun sign.

00:46:31.120 Wait, you're a Gemini?

00:46:32.860 I'm a Gemini.

00:46:34.020 Okay, go ahead.

00:46:37.420 Anyway, so that is only one part of our being, right?

00:46:42.680 And it goes even past these three, but the first part is our big three.

00:46:45.400 So we have our sun sign, our moon sign, and your rising sign, and this would be...

00:46:50.900 So your sun sign is kind of like how you're portrayed on the outside to other people, to

00:46:56.060 the world, how they see you.

00:46:57.440 Your moon sign is going to be about your emotions, your sensuality, how you kind of deal and cope

00:47:02.880 with things, your relationships.

00:47:05.020 And then your rising sign is going to be, like, who you truly are to yourself, going to

00:47:09.400 be, like, the things that maybe no one else knows about you.

00:47:12.760 So when you're reading a horoscope in the newspaper and we read our sun sign, we might

00:47:17.220 be like, mm, take it or leave it.

00:47:18.760 It might not really resonate.

00:47:19.900 But if you actually start reading your rising sign, it might resonate with you a little bit

00:47:23.720 more.

00:47:24.320 And then that goes so much deeper into all the layers of...

00:47:28.880 It's like, you have a Gemini, but if you have a Gemini Taurus, they're going to be different

00:47:32.980 than a Gemini Pisces, and so on and so on.

00:47:35.800 And yeah, it could be way more than a half an hour talk, so...

00:47:38.880 You could talk about astrology for more than...

00:47:41.160 A half hour.

00:47:41.800 A half hour?

00:47:42.520 Yes, yeah.

00:47:43.160 What's the whole, like, rising thing?

00:47:45.460 Like, Jupiter rising?

00:47:46.580 Is that something?

00:47:48.440 Yeah, so each astrology sign can be a rising.

00:47:51.060 The rising is where, in the sky, where the sun was in the horizon, like, on the horizon.

00:47:58.440 It was rising on the map.

00:48:02.900 Yep.

00:48:04.060 Okay, so Jake here is a Capricorn.

00:48:07.140 That would explain why you are so busy in your work all the time.

00:48:12.420 Capricorns are all about working, about drive, and that's why we get into, right now, we're

00:48:17.740 in a winter season, which is about hibernating, but we're in a Capricorn season, which we think

00:48:22.440 that we need to make a goal, and we need to make New Year's resolutions, and drive, drive,

00:48:25.780 drive, when we're actually supposed to be hibernating.

00:48:27.820 So we get all these people who then beat up on themselves and can't meet their goals.

00:48:32.240 Brian's a Libra.

00:48:33.140 What would you say about, does that suit him?

00:48:35.400 I'm not too sure about Libras.

00:48:37.160 I know they're very generally liked by a lot of people.

00:48:39.540 They're outgoing.

00:48:40.420 They like to be, like, just eccentric a little bit.

00:48:43.840 So I wouldn't really suit the Libra, then.

00:48:46.360 I am not sure.

00:48:48.240 Yeah.

00:48:48.640 Yeah.

00:48:49.060 Because I'm a Libra.

00:48:50.060 Yeah.

00:48:50.760 I am.

00:48:51.320 Are you a Libra?

00:48:52.000 I am.

00:48:52.440 So, okay, well, if you want to get interested, that's what I'm saying.

00:48:54.800 So that's all of our, I just learned that that's our tropical chart, and if you go into

00:48:58.780 the side reel, that changes your whole identity, and that's more real, so it's a whole thing.

00:49:03.480 Okay.

00:49:04.740 So, moving on.

00:49:07.180 Do you think men don't put in enough effort?

00:49:10.420 I think it depends on the guy.

00:49:11.740 Depends on the guy.

00:49:12.440 Okay.

00:49:12.560 In general, though.

00:49:15.020 I've had guys who put in effort.

00:49:16.540 I've had guys who didn't put in effort.

00:49:17.960 I'm telling you, it depends on the person.

00:49:19.600 Okay.

00:49:20.780 It's who you are as a person at the end of the day.

00:49:23.220 Do you put in effort in life?

00:49:25.100 Do you put effort in everything you do?

00:49:26.580 If that's the case, then you tend to have putting effort in a relationship.

00:49:30.180 Okay.

00:49:31.060 What about you?

00:49:32.920 I think the majority of my past relationships, I would say they did not put in enough effort.

00:49:36.960 Not enough effort.

00:49:37.780 Okay.

00:49:37.960 Yeah, I mean, I would say certain men definitely need to put in more effort.

00:49:43.680 Definitely.

00:49:45.280 Corinne?

00:49:45.680 I think efforts matter.

00:49:47.220 And last, like, my relationship, all of the men made efforts, and that's how it worked out, I would say.

00:49:53.720 So for those of you who said that men aren't putting in enough effort, men should put in more effort, what does that look like?

00:50:02.140 Like, dating intentionally.

00:50:06.800 Just emotional intelligence, being aware of what you want.

00:50:11.100 Anything else?

00:50:12.120 I think it's a balance.

00:50:13.640 Like, the relationships that work out for me are when he and I both want to be there for each other in every single way and do things that make each other happy.

00:50:22.780 And just a point of clarification, I'm talking more so during those very early stages when you're just meeting the first couple dates when it comes to effort.

00:50:32.200 Obviously, things can tend to evolve and change once you're a bit further into a relationship.

00:50:37.540 But, like, for example, one example of wanting a guy to make more effort, and a complaint I've heard from a lot of women, is a tendency from some men to just text a girl at 11 p.m., what you're doing, WID, you know, not putting in a lot of effort, perhaps, to make a plan to actually, here, meet me Friday, 7 p.m., I'll pick you up, that sort of thing.

00:51:00.720 That's a complaint I frequently hear from women. 1.00

00:51:02.660 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

00:51:08.360 The question, then, is how much effort do you put in?

00:51:11.160 What do you offer a man other than three usable holes and an attitude?

00:51:15.420 Why would a man worth having look at you twice?

00:51:19.380 Okay, thank you, good one.

00:51:20.820 I was kind of getting to that.

00:51:22.140 But, so, there's these expectations on men to take initiative, pay for the first date, make the first move, do X, Y, Z.

00:51:33.500 That's my sense of what putting in an effort is in terms of the initial courtship stages.

00:51:39.120 So, if men are expected to pay for first dates, ask you out, pick you up, open car doors, get you flowers, et cetera, what are women expected to do to build a relationship in the initial stages? 1.00

00:51:51.880 What's the effort that a woman puts in? 1.00

00:51:54.080 Go ahead.

00:51:54.840 Good communication, showing feelings, and, like, thankfulness, gratefulness.

00:52:02.060 I mean, good communication, it occurs to me that both parties, it's not clear to me if that's...

00:52:08.440 Yeah, but a girl could totally be accepting all these things from a guy and then just kind of, like, oh, he texts, I'll text later, or, you know, just kind of pushing him away and getting the good stuff.

00:52:17.840 Okay, so the bare minimum is what a girl should do. 1.00

00:52:21.460 No, no, if you like the guy and he's showing all of these amazing signs and how he's a man, then you would, you know, I would accept it appreciatively.

00:52:31.680 So, accepting the gift is how you put in effort is all you're saying?

00:52:35.220 Yeah.

00:52:35.640 Okay.

00:52:36.300 Okay, what about you?

00:52:37.240 I think, yeah, like, a lot of the times women, especially, like, we want men to, like, put us into our feminine, right?

00:52:45.200 We want the guy to be a little bit more dominant and, like, him making those plans and him showing that is, like, that's attractive and that's showing us that, okay, this is something, like, I also want to pursue.

00:52:56.380 Like, so, again, yeah, like, communicating with him with that, just, I don't know, like, just connecting.

00:53:01.220 Would you say that giving flowers on a first date is dominant and masculine?

00:53:04.820 Oh, it depends on the person, like, for me, gift giving is not my love language, so, like, I.

00:53:10.000 So, we're in a bit of trouble here, because we're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

00:53:12.680 It depends, like, for me, it's, like, flowers, I don't really care too much, like, it doesn't, like, okay, maybe it's a nice touch, but, yeah, that goes into what you like.

00:53:24.220 I've actually heard from a couple previous women who've been on the show that they would actually punish that sort of thing. 1.00

00:53:30.260 Oh, yeah.

00:53:30.640 Not all women, but, like, some women would be, like, that's way too extra, way too much up front initially. 0.93

00:53:37.660 They'd think he's kind of simping.

00:53:39.260 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 0.99

00:53:40.540 Because I think a lot of girls don't want a guy to be doing all this extra shit way too soon. 1.00

00:53:44.540 It kind of. 0.97

00:53:45.500 No, I'd wait at least a few dates before I was to bring flowers or do anything.

00:53:50.480 Perhaps on the wedding day.

00:53:51.880 Unless you're in a different country.

00:53:52.880 I think it's a good, you know, maybe a couple flowers.

00:53:56.100 In the West, it's a bit different, though.

00:53:58.140 But if you're in other countries, they actually appreciate, like, Eastern Europe, like you were saying.

00:54:02.180 But over here, girls will actually punish you for it, unfortunately. 1.00

00:54:05.920 There's not much you can do about it.

00:54:07.460 Have you had an experience with that?

00:54:09.020 I have.

00:54:09.740 What happened?

00:54:11.080 Basically, just like we said, it was years ago, but just giving flowers.

00:54:14.180 And then eventually you sort of realize as a guy that what you got taught in the movies, in the notebook, or whatever movies that sort of inform our relationships these days, it's all wrong.

00:54:24.040 So then you have to sort of adapt.

00:54:26.460 But it's easy to get sucked into that trap.

00:54:28.860 And that's why we have so many simps these days, unfortunately.

00:54:32.100 It's very unfortunate.

00:54:33.720 The simps.

00:54:35.120 Can you explain simp?

00:54:35.680 We have a simp-ademic.

00:54:37.200 A simp.

00:54:37.880 Simp is giving, like, affection and gifts and all this stuff, like you guys just said.

00:54:43.240 And receiving nothing in return.

00:54:45.400 If you do that constantly, then you're a simp.

00:54:48.040 Can I ask you a question?

00:54:49.200 Of course.

00:54:49.480 What would you like to receive as a guy?

00:54:51.660 Coming from a guy's perspective.

00:54:52.280 I want you to be a total simp for me.

00:54:54.900 That's what I'd like.

00:54:55.840 I'd like you guys to be texting.

00:54:58.160 How are you?

00:54:58.960 Good morning texts.

00:55:00.180 Good night texts.

00:55:01.100 I think that's what we mean about communication.

00:55:03.300 If that's what you meant by communication, yeah, then absolutely.

00:55:06.380 That's good.

00:55:06.720 But you want a girl, because especially if you sleep with a girl, you want it to mean a lot to her.

00:55:11.760 Because if it doesn't mean anything to her, then it shows that she's kind of a hoe, and she does that a lot. 1.00

00:55:16.760 So that's a problem.

00:55:17.980 So you want a girl to be a simp and to be, like, really, like, invested in the fact that you guys are dating.

00:55:23.680 So that's one thing in terms of communication.

00:55:28.040 And especially if we're going to go to the stage where I'm giving you flowers.

00:55:31.460 I mean, yeah, the simping has to be there, for sure.

00:55:33.900 Girls get rewarded for simping, and guys get punished. 0.82

00:55:40.520 Do you agree?

00:55:42.600 I think it depends on the early stages.

00:55:44.820 I think I've had experiences where guys are a lot really early on, and it scares me off.

00:55:49.720 But then I also have the exact opposite, where they're not doing enough.

00:55:52.140 So I think it's finding that perfect balance.

00:55:53.700 And I'm sure you can agree, too, on the woman's side, too.

00:55:55.580 If you see a girl that's completely drowning for your attention, it's probably not the biggest turn on.

00:56:00.720 That's the thing, though.

00:56:01.600 You have to not, like, drowning for it, but just putting in the effort, you know?

00:56:06.060 You want that.

00:56:06.740 Because a lot of girls these days think, oh, I'm a boss babe. 1.00

00:56:08.760 I'm just going to, like, I don't need no man. 1.00

00:56:10.240 I'm not going to text him.

00:56:11.180 I'm going to...

00:56:11.780 But it's just unattractive.

00:56:13.300 We just don't like it.

00:56:14.220 We like a soft touch.

00:56:15.480 If I wanted someone who was going to be hard and compete with me and be masculine, I'd just go hang out with the boys.

00:56:20.740 That's playing games.

00:56:22.040 It's just about, yeah, communicating, being vulnerable with your feelings.

00:56:25.480 And I know you're not busy as well.

00:56:28.700 I'm actually busy.

00:56:29.900 You're not busy.

00:56:31.060 So, yeah.

00:56:32.140 That's the only thing that I'd appreciate.

00:56:34.400 Thank you for sharing.

00:56:35.720 My pleasure.

00:56:36.820 Okay.

00:56:37.660 I want to go back really quick to some of the people's relationship statuses.

00:56:41.360 So, we have so single and then never been in a relationship.

00:56:47.440 I'm curious.

00:56:51.320 Are there any...

00:56:52.920 You said you're so single.

00:56:54.200 There's nobody in the picture right now.

00:56:56.160 It's amazing.

00:56:57.200 Nobody in the picture?

00:56:58.160 Nope.

00:56:58.620 Can I ask?

00:56:58.960 Are you...

00:56:59.380 I was going to say because you're dating at college or like you're so single, but like you were previously dating at college?

00:57:06.680 Yeah.

00:57:07.020 College or traveling.

00:57:08.300 Have you considered dating older guys?

00:57:10.240 Yeah.

00:57:10.420 If you're looking for someone who's a little bit more sort of stable?

00:57:13.240 100%.

00:57:13.500 Yeah.

00:57:14.300 Yes.

00:57:14.900 But you're not doing that at the moment, being so single?

00:57:17.100 Nope.

00:57:17.500 I just got back from being on the other side of the world.

00:57:19.860 I have a lot of like passions and like career things that I'm doing.

00:57:23.440 I have classes.

00:57:24.140 I'm also really busy.

00:57:25.140 I don't have the time or effort to invest in a relationship and I don't want to hook up really right now.

00:57:30.560 So.

00:57:31.000 Yeah.

00:57:31.240 Oh, so you're celibate.

00:57:32.500 I mean, right now?

00:57:33.820 Yeah.

00:57:34.060 Sure.

00:57:34.660 Wait, wait, wait.

00:57:35.360 Hold on.

00:57:36.380 Is it...

00:57:36.880 Sure?

00:57:38.700 I mean...

00:57:39.200 Is there...

00:57:39.600 There's a little sneaky link in the picture?

00:57:42.220 No, no.

00:57:42.820 No sneaky links.

00:57:43.860 Zero sneaky links.

00:57:44.680 Zero sneaky links.

00:57:45.520 An occasional sneaky link?

00:57:46.520 Nope.

00:57:47.440 Okay.

00:57:48.020 All right.

00:57:48.420 Nope.

00:57:49.100 What about you?

00:57:49.660 A sneaky link?

00:57:51.700 A couple of sneaky links?

00:57:52.980 Maybe.

00:57:53.840 Maybe.

00:57:54.360 Okay.

00:57:54.800 What you working with?

00:57:56.420 I mean, I just don't want to be committed to anyone right now.

00:57:59.340 So...

00:57:59.660 Totally fine.

00:58:00.200 I'm here for experience.

00:58:01.000 I really, really like having experiences with people. 0.90

00:58:04.060 And, you know, if that leads to sex, then that leads to sex.

00:58:06.080 But if it doesn't, that doesn't.

00:58:07.740 I just like...

00:58:08.420 It's whatever it's in the moment, I think, is what I feel like is what I do with people.

00:58:12.080 Well, so currently, you know, are there people you're...

00:58:18.080 Like sneaky links?

00:58:18.860 You got any sneaky links?

00:58:20.880 Yes.

00:58:21.220 And yeah, 11 p.m.

00:58:22.160 WY days?

00:58:23.560 Yes.

00:58:24.000 Can you ask the sneaking in means, like, what you're trying to say?

00:58:27.260 Uh, sneaky link, it's kind of like someone you're very casually hooking up with and...

00:58:33.720 Okay, I got it.

00:58:34.640 Your...

00:58:35.880 People might...

00:58:36.820 I mean, the sneaky part is, like, nobody else might know about it.

00:58:41.560 Like, your friends might not know about it.

00:58:42.740 So it's very on the DL down low.

00:58:45.820 Um, yeah.

00:58:48.980 You got...

00:58:49.500 What are we talking here?

00:58:51.200 You got, like, because I detect, like, I feel like you got Riz.

00:58:55.000 Me?

00:58:55.440 I think you got game.

00:58:56.640 Me?

00:58:57.200 Yeah.

00:58:57.380 I think you lay it down.

00:58:58.740 I do.

00:58:59.920 Like, who...

00:59:00.320 Like, I think you got game with both men and women, though.

00:59:03.460 I do.

00:59:03.640 Like, insane Riz. 1.00

00:59:04.780 I do. 0.99

00:59:05.380 Like, fucking legendary status Riz. 0.99

00:59:09.280 What made you think this? 0.99

00:59:11.160 It's just, like, a vibe.

00:59:13.240 I just feel it.

00:59:13.580 The best...

00:59:14.000 I think that's the best compliment I've ever received in my whole life.

00:59:16.240 Thank you.

00:59:16.720 You're welcome.

00:59:17.280 Oh, my God.

00:59:17.660 You're welcome.

00:59:18.520 But I think, like, you know, you step to a girl and the girl's like, oh, what's up? 0.85

00:59:22.300 So anyways, um...

00:59:24.200 I'm curious, though, because of your, like, insane levels of Riz. 1.00

00:59:27.880 Yes.

00:59:29.200 You got some...

00:59:31.300 You got a couple...

00:59:32.200 You got a roster is what I'm getting at.

00:59:33.760 Do you have a roster?

00:59:35.140 No.

00:59:35.560 Personally, I only like to, like, be...

00:59:37.540 Not even talking to, but just, like, one person at a time.

00:59:39.920 One at a time.

00:59:40.600 Okay.

00:59:40.740 Yeah.

00:59:41.100 I can't do multiple people.

00:59:42.640 I fully salute if you can.

00:59:44.200 It's just not me.

00:59:44.940 I see.

00:59:45.340 I can't do that.

00:59:46.060 But I do have insane Riz with one person.

00:59:49.160 You have insane Riz with one specific person?

00:59:52.160 One specific person.

00:59:52.660 And is that your current situation?

00:59:54.860 Yes.

00:59:55.360 I see.

00:59:56.020 Okay.

00:59:56.620 Male, female? 0.71

00:59:57.400 Male.

00:59:58.300 Actually, I just went on the...

00:59:59.620 Well, I just went on the first date last week.

01:00:01.980 And, you know, we're talking, so...

01:00:04.020 It's going good.

01:00:04.640 It's going good.

01:00:05.580 Would you describe yourself as a...

01:00:07.020 Well, I was going to say serial monogamist, but it sounds like you haven't really had a

01:00:12.000 relationship, really, so...

01:00:13.640 Like I said, I'm...

01:00:14.100 You're like a serial situation?

01:00:17.020 No, not even. 0.99

01:00:18.280 Shit-ist? 0.99

01:00:18.600 I don't know what the term would be for. 0.98

01:00:19.720 Like, I go on dates with people, and, you know, if we don't vibe, I'll be very straight

01:00:23.240 up, and I'll be like, you know, like, I'm not really feeling this.

01:00:25.240 I'm very honest.

01:00:26.460 So I'm like, I'm not really...

01:00:27.320 I am.

01:00:28.080 Extremely honest, to a fault.

01:00:29.500 Because I feel like that's...

01:00:30.680 I don't want to waste your time, and I don't want you to waste mine, personally.

01:00:33.900 Wait, so let's reenact...

01:00:36.920 Yes.

01:00:37.780 ...a date.

01:00:39.140 Do I have my...

01:00:39.740 Do I have a hat I can wear?

01:00:40.980 A hat.

01:00:41.920 There we go.

01:00:42.680 Let's just say you're with, like, a frat boy.

01:00:45.100 American frat boy.

01:00:45.340 American frat boy.

01:00:45.660 I would not be with a frat boy.

01:00:47.040 We're already wrong.

01:00:47.980 Is this the type of guy...

01:00:49.700 Absolutely not.

01:00:50.580 You go for it.

01:00:51.500 You look like... 0.55

01:00:52.700 Side by side by side by side by.

01:00:53.260 I'll take it off.

01:00:54.160 Absolutely not.

01:00:55.880 So, okay, we're on a date.

01:00:57.480 Yes.

01:00:58.120 Where's, like, a date you've...

01:00:59.260 Like, do you go get food, or what?

01:01:00.960 Well, typically, I'll either go, like, to restaurants or go to the gym with a guy that's, like, the

01:01:05.160 two place.

01:01:05.180 On the first date, you'll go to the gym?

01:01:06.900 Yes.

01:01:07.380 Okay.

01:01:07.880 What, are you going to hit some squats, or...?

01:01:09.260 Well, I'm a power lifter, so I feel like I go for guys who go to the gym, and so we kind

01:01:13.580 of...

01:01:14.140 That's what we...

01:01:14.420 Do you think you could bench Jake?

01:01:15.880 Well, how much do you weigh?

01:01:17.140 About 87 kilos.

01:01:18.540 I don't even know.

01:01:19.320 Kilos? 0.96

01:01:19.840 They're American, Jake.

01:01:21.000 I don't know.

01:01:21.500 What is that in pounds?

01:01:22.240 I think it's, like, 180 pounds?

01:01:24.560 No, definitely not.

01:01:25.520 Definitely not.

01:01:26.220 But, yeah, like, I'll go on...

01:01:27.500 I think Spencer was like, let me do the jujitsu conversion.

01:01:30.900 Right?

01:01:31.120 Spencer's like, okay, he's got it down.

01:01:33.920 It's 180.

01:01:34.520 He's 180, he's 180.

01:01:35.160 I cannot do it.

01:01:35.980 Oh, my God.

01:01:36.580 No, I cannot bench 180.

01:01:37.740 Do you think if I laid there like a prawn, you could lift me?

01:01:41.600 You could deadlift me?

01:01:42.240 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:01:42.520 I could deadlift you, for sure. 0.78

01:01:43.580 Could you...

01:01:43.820 What's it called? 0.81

01:01:44.440 Jerking clean? 0.52

01:01:45.220 Oh, my God.

01:01:45.800 I need to learn how to do that.

01:01:47.180 I want to learn how to do that.

01:01:48.800 I'll teach you after the show.

01:01:49.780 Oh.

01:01:50.580 Please.

01:01:51.360 We'll use one of the smaller members of the band.

01:01:52.740 It's a date.

01:01:52.980 It's a date.

01:01:53.560 And we'll do it.

01:01:54.440 Okay.

01:01:54.980 Okay.

01:01:56.260 See, I got that right.

01:01:56.940 Wait, it's okay.

01:01:57.960 Let's role play this.

01:01:59.100 Yeah.

01:01:59.300 Well, do you want me...

01:02:01.400 Okay, I can...

01:02:02.000 What are we role playing?

01:02:03.180 We're on the date.

01:02:04.120 Well, you said you're super...

01:02:05.540 Like, if you're on a date and you're not really feeling it, like, will you up front and just 1.00

01:02:09.600 be like, you fucking suck? 1.00

01:02:11.800 Oh, no. 1.00

01:02:12.300 No, no, no.

01:02:12.640 I'm very respectful.

01:02:13.620 Oh, respectful.

01:02:13.780 I'll go on the date.

01:02:14.860 For example, the last...

01:02:15.940 Not the last date I went on, it was really good.

01:02:17.640 But the date before that, I was just not feeling it.

01:02:20.260 The guy showed up two hours late and he brought a friend.

01:02:22.800 Okay.

01:02:23.420 Oh, was it...

01:02:24.240 He's a young guy, wasn't he?

01:02:25.660 No, he was older, which was very surprising.

01:02:27.720 Wait, hold on.

01:02:28.860 He set up the date.

01:02:30.460 Yes.

01:02:30.880 So, we had arranged to go on this date.

01:02:32.740 Food date.

01:02:33.820 We were going to go bowling.

01:02:35.200 Bowling?

01:02:35.760 Yeah.

01:02:36.100 So, we were going to go bowling.

01:02:37.280 And then he texts me and he's like, by the way, I brought my friend.

01:02:40.220 Do you have a friend for mine?

01:02:42.340 So, I'm like trying to get my roommate in on this.

01:02:44.460 But then it turns out he's two hours late, so my roommate doesn't want to go.

01:02:47.120 So, it's me, him, and then his friend trying to go bowling.

01:02:51.520 Yeah.

01:02:51.680 And so, I was very respectful throughout the whole date.

01:02:54.660 But then after the fact, I was just like, hey, like, I just don't think this is going

01:02:57.280 to work out.

01:02:57.820 It's personally not for me.

01:02:58.480 I'm actually going to...

01:02:59.220 I got to give you flowers on that because two hours late, he's asking to bring a friend

01:03:04.160 when it sounds to me...

01:03:05.260 I mean, we don't see that...

01:03:06.180 We don't know what the texts were, but I'm going to take your word for it.

01:03:08.820 It was very clear that it was like you were going to meet up with him for a date.

01:03:12.480 Absolutely.

01:03:12.680 Uh, I mean, I give you props for actually...

01:03:16.880 Yeah.

01:03:17.140 I mean, I would have, if I think more than 20 minutes, you'd...

01:03:21.140 I'd leave.

01:03:21.960 I know.

01:03:22.260 I'm not...

01:03:22.560 I'm staying, but...

01:03:23.680 But, uh...

01:03:26.680 The guy's in the wrong in that situation, 100%.

01:03:29.100 Being two hours late, that's...

01:03:30.260 And then asking to bring...

01:03:31.760 Do you know why he wanted to bring... 0.93

01:03:33.780 Was he like just a coward?

01:03:35.020 Like scared?

01:03:35.840 I don't know.

01:03:36.460 I never really asked why he was with his friend.

01:03:39.040 I mean, I did ask him to take me home, though.

01:03:40.760 Like halfway through the date, I was just like, yeah.

01:03:42.380 Jake, do you do any coaching?

01:03:43.580 This guy needs your help, dude.

01:03:44.980 I don't know.

01:03:45.300 He needs somebody's help.

01:03:46.940 What's he doing?

01:03:47.700 This guy.

01:03:48.760 I think the friend needs help.

01:03:50.180 Why would you want to go and catch your friend's date?

01:03:50.720 No, honestly, I was talking to the friend more than the date himself.

01:03:53.720 Yeah.

01:03:54.360 That's so weird.

01:03:54.920 That's probably why I brought him.

01:03:55.560 That's so weird.

01:03:56.420 The friend was weird, too, that he agrees to go with him.

01:03:58.800 Yeah.

01:03:58.980 No.

01:04:00.660 Interesting.

01:04:01.380 Was his friend hotter?

01:04:03.500 No.

01:04:04.580 Rip.

01:04:05.040 I know.

01:04:05.820 Or else I would have gone for the friend.

01:04:07.080 I was going to say, maybe that's why he brought the friend.

01:04:09.080 And was like, okay, this is my hot friend, and all my girlfriends always leave me for

01:04:12.440 my hotter friend, so if I bring him, and she doesn't flirt with him, then it's okay.

01:04:16.480 That's terrible logic.

01:04:18.460 It's man logic?

01:04:20.060 I mean, come on.

01:04:20.680 That's man logic?

01:04:20.960 You want to bring the ugly, gregarious friend, not the better-looking friend.

01:04:24.860 I just don't think you should bring a friend in general on a date.

01:04:27.780 Yeah, that was...

01:04:28.400 Just leave the friend at home.

01:04:31.160 Okay, there's two just absolutely egregious things going on here.

01:04:36.060 The two hours late, egregious, bringing the friend, egregious.

01:04:39.860 Egregious. 1.00

01:04:40.540 So, he fucked up. 1.00

01:04:45.000 That guy's an idiot. 1.00

01:04:46.240 Yeah, and he lost his chance with me, so... 1.00

01:04:47.880 Yeah.

01:04:48.560 I mean...

01:04:49.340 Fair enough.

01:04:49.820 I think it's, at the end of the day, though, better find out sooner that the dude has like

01:04:55.700 a room, like a two-digit IQ.

01:04:58.500 Absolutely.

01:04:59.580 I'm sorry, but if you're two hours late and then you're asking to bring a friend, there's...

01:05:02.900 You may very well be...

01:05:06.020 Can I put a situation out there, though?

01:05:08.380 Because I have to, right?

01:05:09.520 Are you really...

01:05:10.480 Are you about to make a...

01:05:11.420 We're about...

01:05:11.760 The threesome's about to... 1.00

01:05:12.320 She's about to devil's advocate. 0.97

01:05:14.080 I am going to.

01:05:14.640 She's going to devil's advocate. 1.00

01:05:16.240 Because you didn't ask why. 1.00

01:05:17.500 This is asshole, but okay. 1.00

01:05:18.300 Why was he late? 1.00

01:05:19.160 Did you ask why he was late?

01:05:20.560 Who knows?

01:05:21.100 Maybe this...

01:05:21.920 Oh, I can't say that word on here, but maybe his friend really needed a friend, and he was in

01:05:26.040 one of those times, and he couldn't be alone, and so his friend was actually a really good

01:05:29.200 friend, and he's like, sorry, I've got to bring my buddy with me.

01:05:31.900 Like, do we ask him why?

01:05:33.100 Why was he two hours late?

01:05:34.380 I honestly don't...

01:05:34.980 We cannot make judgments without understanding.

01:05:36.500 I don't care about people's problems when you're going on a date.

01:05:40.100 Like, if you're two hours late and you're having a problem, if you're having some anxiety

01:05:43.040 or whatever it is, just pull out on the date.

01:05:44.940 Just say, hey, can't come tonight.

01:05:45.960 Yeah, yeah, communication is definitely key.

01:05:47.820 Oh, I want to ask some more clarifying details on that.

01:05:51.280 Did he...

01:05:52.880 So, what was the time of the date?

01:05:55.540 So, originally, it was supposed to be at 8 p.m.

01:05:58.160 Okay.

01:05:58.640 He showed up at 10.

01:06:00.060 So, question.

01:06:00.880 So, originally, it was at 8 p.m.

01:06:03.920 Did you show up at 8 p.m.?

01:06:05.240 So, he was picking me up from my house.

01:06:06.460 I was ready at my house.

01:06:07.220 Okay, so you were at...

01:06:07.980 Okay, so you were at your house.

01:06:09.480 You weren't going to meet there.

01:06:11.000 At what point prior to 8 p.m. did he text you saying, hey, I'm running...

01:06:16.080 Like, did he make it very clear here, I can meet at 10 p.m.?

01:06:19.320 He texted me around 7, saying he was going to be an hour late, and then, you know,

01:06:23.800 the hour late comes by, and he's like, give me another hour.

01:06:27.020 Okay.

01:06:27.360 I mean, it's at least good that he told you an hour in advance that he was going to be

01:06:34.000 late, because some people will...

01:06:36.520 Like, you could have gone to the place, and he's texting you at 8 p.m., you're already

01:06:41.340 there.

01:06:42.000 Oh, I'm an hour late.

01:06:43.300 So, I mean, still, though.

01:06:44.920 Still.

01:06:46.440 Okay, so then...

01:06:47.800 So, he picked you up at 10, so he ended up being two hours late.

01:06:50.860 Yeah, and so we get to the bowling alley at 11, right, and there's an hour wait, and the

01:06:56.420 thing...

01:06:56.620 Or not...

01:06:57.240 We don't get there at 11.

01:06:58.100 We get there at, like, 10.05, 10.10, but the bowling alley closes at 11, and there's

01:07:01.680 an hour wait, so we couldn't bowl.

01:07:04.100 So, I said, okay, just take me home, then.

01:07:06.660 So, me, him, and his friend are just chatting in this car as he takes me home, and that was

01:07:10.160 the date.

01:07:10.540 Oh, so the date was, like...

01:07:11.540 20 minutes.

01:07:12.040 20 minutes.

01:07:12.600 Literally.

01:07:13.440 Can I throw another situation out there?

01:07:15.400 Wait, before you do it, did he try...

01:07:16.860 Did he, like, try to smash?

01:07:18.540 Yeah.

01:07:19.160 He said, you want to go inside and drink some wine and go kick it?

01:07:22.220 I said, no.

01:07:23.200 Yikes.

01:07:23.620 Okay, go ahead.

01:07:24.160 Okay, I was just about to say, I was going to say, did it ever occur to you, maybe you

01:07:27.220 were the third on their date?

01:07:29.000 Oh, my God.

01:07:30.220 You're a genius.

01:07:31.300 No.

01:07:33.400 What?

01:07:36.500 Highly unlikely, but highly unlikely.

01:07:38.480 That was not the case, but...

01:07:40.400 I don't know.

01:07:40.800 I think, again, communication and honesty, if you know you're going to be late, just tell

01:07:43.740 me straight up, or just pull out.

01:07:45.540 Like, be for real.

01:07:46.480 I'm busy.

01:07:47.000 I got time.

01:07:47.760 I got classes to study for.

01:07:49.360 Like, don't waste my time.

01:07:51.440 Of course I'm being safe.

01:07:53.200 I pull out.

01:07:54.640 I agree.

01:07:55.260 You should always pull out.

01:07:56.560 It's the safe.

01:07:57.300 Okay, anyways.

01:07:58.720 Good.

01:07:59.160 Okay, sorry, guys.

01:08:00.260 I'm sorry.

01:08:00.860 I'm sorry.

01:08:02.260 Okay, wow.

01:08:03.420 How did we get there?

01:08:04.540 We were talking about effort, if I recall.

01:08:06.460 Oh, yes, sorry.

01:08:07.200 Yeah, I was asking.

01:08:08.100 Okay, ladies, ladies. 1.00

01:08:09.220 All right.

01:08:09.460 All these guys, these terrible American men, they're not putting in enough effort. 1.00

01:08:13.420 I think the question was, what are women doing in terms of their effort during those initial 0.99

01:08:20.520 stages?

01:08:22.060 What do women do initially to build a relationship? 1.00

01:08:28.360 Cricket.

01:08:28.840 Starting over here.

01:08:33.220 I didn't talk about it.

01:08:34.800 Well, she answered sort of.

01:08:36.100 She said, good communication.

01:08:37.920 Taking the gifts, yeah.

01:08:38.640 So you're saying, if he wasn't pursuing it, and I wanted to, what would I be doing?

01:08:45.080 Well, let's say there's a mutual level of interest.

01:08:46.960 Yeah.

01:08:47.220 Okay.

01:08:47.600 Mutual level of interest, and you guys are going on dates.

01:08:49.360 And he's doing his part.

01:08:50.020 What's his part?

01:08:51.360 What you said, like, I'm going to pick you up at this time.

01:08:53.900 Pursuing.

01:08:54.380 Like, giving you flowers.

01:08:57.440 Okay.

01:08:57.740 Okay.

01:08:58.180 So I guess I would just ask him, like, meaningful questions and remember them and do little thoughtful

01:09:04.120 things.

01:09:05.060 Okay.

01:09:05.380 Okay.

01:09:08.640 So my love language is acts of service, so I feel like I'll counter, if someone does

01:09:12.820 something for me, I'll be like, oh, let me do something for you.

01:09:14.780 But that's also just how I show my love.

01:09:16.700 So, like, if a guy shows up with flowers on one date, the next date, maybe, you know, I

01:09:19.740 make you dinner.

01:09:20.540 Like, it's like a little back and forth, you know?

01:09:23.040 Sweet.

01:09:23.600 Okay.

01:09:24.280 All right.

01:09:25.500 There's some better answers.

01:09:26.520 Yeah, I agree with that.

01:09:27.900 Like I said before, I like getting flowers.

01:09:29.640 I don't expect flowers on the first date, but I do think that if a man puts in that investment,

01:09:35.460 that investment does come back.

01:09:37.040 Like, whether, you know, that relationship continues, me getting him gifts on a higher

01:09:43.100 degree than flowers, like Lily said, cooking dinner, it comes back in a different way.

01:09:49.200 I think that men have, this is my opinion, I know a lot of people disagree with that.

01:09:53.000 I think men have a, not a role, but certain things that they can do to get a woman, and

01:09:57.400 a woman has her part. 1.00

01:09:59.120 Like, giving him loyalty during that talking stage.

01:10:01.960 Um, you know, being free for him, we are busy too, you know?

01:10:07.300 Um, so making time for those dates, helping plan those dates, doing dates that he enjoys,

01:10:12.660 like finding out his hobbies and doing the things that he likes, getting to know him.

01:10:16.700 Um, that's the effort we put in during that, like, talking stage.

01:10:19.960 Good answer.

01:10:20.660 Okay.

01:10:21.020 That was a good answer.

01:10:21.740 Especially the being loyal during that initial stage.

01:10:24.780 That's, uh, I concur with that, so.

01:10:29.600 And the thoughtful things.

01:10:30.820 I think both of you guys said that.

01:10:32.640 That was good.

01:10:33.940 Good times.

01:10:35.360 Hold on.

01:10:36.200 How about.

01:10:36.900 Oh, did you have, or did you guys have anything over here?

01:10:39.860 Do you guys have anything to add about what a lady should do? 1.00

01:10:43.600 I think she said it all.

01:10:45.120 I think she said it all.

01:10:46.040 I would just say a big one is just being there, like, emotionally and physically.

01:10:50.020 Hmm.

01:10:50.600 Oh, yeah.

01:10:50.920 Yeah, I do also believe in equal efforts from both the side.

01:10:55.780 One time a person is paying, I would say next time I'm ready.

01:10:59.400 And I would love to do that for him if I see he's doing things for me.

01:11:04.460 And also, yeah, the time, I would say time is the most important.

01:11:09.260 And, like, being nice and, like, showing him, like, I'm really interested in him.

01:11:14.720 Yeah, if I am, that's why I'm pursuing it, like, for, like, further.

01:11:18.220 Okay.

01:11:18.900 Just not, like, killing his time and just showing him, like, kind of, mostly, like, I've seen this, oh, just show the less interest.

01:11:25.040 Then why are you dating?

01:11:26.960 Okay.

01:11:27.300 So I would just, yeah.

01:11:28.580 Sure.

01:11:29.280 I have some pre-show, some of you were able to provide some pre-show notes, so I'm just going to go over some of those pre-show notes.

01:11:35.400 Your name's pronounced Vanchica?

01:11:37.900 Yes, you can call me V.

01:11:39.280 V. Okay, V for Fendela.

01:11:41.180 Got it.

01:11:41.820 Should we get the mask?

01:11:42.560 I have the Guy Fawkes mask.

01:11:44.240 You said you were recently in the Love Triangle.

01:11:46.200 Yeah, it was kind of Love Triangle.

01:11:49.040 I was hanging out with, like, a crew.

01:11:51.600 I had, like, friends.

01:11:53.400 So it was, I was spending a lot of time, I would say, just my free time.

01:11:57.360 I was just spending with the guy and, yeah, my girlfriend used to like him, too.

01:12:02.940 So it stuck in the middle, I would say.

01:12:06.500 So it was one guy, you and your friend.

01:12:08.540 Yeah.

01:12:08.760 So he was stuck in the middle, yeah.

01:12:10.460 Yeah.

01:12:10.740 So he was sleeping with you and your friend?

01:12:14.560 I didn't say about sleeping.

01:12:16.000 Oh.

01:12:16.240 I just said about liking.

01:12:17.740 Oh, liking?

01:12:18.680 Yeah.

01:12:19.080 Well, did he like either of you?

01:12:21.460 So I would say he was more into me.

01:12:25.260 But?

01:12:26.020 But, yeah.

01:12:26.900 It didn't work out, or?

01:12:28.060 No, actually, we talked about it, and he wanted to date a girl who was actually willing to marry,

01:12:33.120 because he thinks he's 30, he's well-settled, so he wanted to get married.

01:12:36.920 And I said I'm 24, my struggling life has just started here, so I can't commit to you,

01:12:43.040 so it's better to not date.

01:12:45.760 You just find your goal, whatever you're looking for.

01:12:48.980 Okay.

01:12:49.960 You do want to get married eventually, correct?

01:12:52.140 Yeah, but not currently, I would say.

01:12:53.720 Kids eventually?

01:12:55.100 Yes, for sure.

01:12:55.720 Gotcha. 0.60

01:12:56.680 You also said no one should fake orgasms. 0.54

01:13:00.820 Now, here's the interesting part.

01:13:02.680 One guy that you dated did.

01:13:04.540 Yeah, the past one, I would say.

01:13:05.960 And so you're curious if guys do that?

01:13:09.020 He faked it.

01:13:09.500 He faked it. 0.94

01:13:10.120 The dude faked the orgasm.

01:13:13.940 Did he tell you why, and how did you know?

01:13:18.120 I just know it.

01:13:19.280 If you know about a girl, you know about a boy, too.

01:13:23.400 Huh?

01:13:23.920 You know it, just you know.

01:13:25.980 Into the mic if you can.

01:13:27.440 I think you just know it.

01:13:29.920 You just know?

01:13:30.500 Once or twice, oh, it's okay, I don't know it.

01:13:33.420 But later on, you eventually know it.

01:13:35.500 What was his facial expression?

01:13:37.540 I don't want to explain.

01:13:38.600 Could you reenact it?

01:13:39.500 I don't want to go into the deep, but yeah.

01:13:41.160 Okay.

01:13:41.660 Eventually, you know it.

01:13:42.900 You're really quiet, so can you make sure you're really on the mic?

01:13:45.900 It's just reenacted.

01:13:46.420 Can you hear me now?

01:13:47.160 You can scoot the chair a little closer to the...

01:13:49.160 Two, like, sit-ups on the top.

01:13:51.120 A bit of body heat.

01:13:51.800 We need it.

01:13:53.080 I would say you knew it if you were sleeping with that guy. 1.00

01:13:57.840 Jake, have you ever faked an orgasm?

01:13:59.760 No.

01:14:00.380 I wouldn't even know how to.

01:14:01.340 I'm not that good an actor.

01:14:03.020 I couldn't do it.

01:14:03.920 I feel like most guys don't have trouble.

01:14:07.700 Why would you...

01:14:09.180 That's a bizarre thing.

01:14:12.200 Nick, if you don't, you don't.

01:14:13.560 Once.

01:14:13.840 Have you ever...

01:14:14.920 Once.

01:14:16.140 Have you...

01:14:16.500 Well, once.

01:14:16.980 You have?

01:14:18.120 What?

01:14:18.860 All right.

01:14:19.380 Spencer, what about you?

01:14:20.940 Nope.

01:14:21.820 Nope.

01:14:22.240 All right.

01:14:22.380 How about you, Brian?

01:14:23.020 You ever faked one?

01:14:24.280 No.

01:14:25.080 Never faked one.

01:14:25.900 No?

01:14:26.640 I thought about it one time.

01:14:27.440 You never just wanted it to be over?

01:14:30.460 Yeah, but I can usually bring myself to climax.

01:14:33.200 If I do want it to be over.

01:14:35.860 Yeah.

01:14:36.480 You know?

01:14:37.120 So, okay.

01:14:37.600 That's interesting.

01:14:38.880 Yeah.

01:14:39.360 Yeah.

01:14:39.740 I wouldn't fake it.

01:14:40.780 Like, I would either just be like, eh, all right.

01:14:43.300 Let's just stop.

01:14:43.880 It's like, yeah, I'm tired.

01:14:44.440 Let's just stop.

01:14:45.460 Just say it then.

01:14:46.320 Or I would just...

01:14:47.260 So, okay.

01:14:47.780 Did you reckon he had, like, a kink for faking it? 1.00

01:14:49.760 Like, he felt a bit naughty?

01:14:50.860 Like, he could get away with it?

01:14:52.340 Sorry, I didn't understand that.

01:14:53.540 Do you think that it was, like, a kink for him? 0.92

01:14:55.760 You know?

01:14:56.380 I don't know.

01:14:56.920 Maybe he felt a bit cheeky.

01:14:57.560 Why he started doing it if he didn't want it?

01:14:59.500 Like, and then just faking it.

01:15:02.180 Do you think maybe he was gay? 0.54

01:15:05.540 That is possible.

01:15:07.140 I would say I'm, like, less into all these dating hairs.

01:15:10.580 So, this is possible. 0.96

01:15:11.740 Was there a cock in the wrist when he walked? 0.98

01:15:13.460 No. 0.99

01:15:14.200 No.

01:15:14.820 Nothing like that?

01:15:15.820 Nothing like that.

01:15:16.980 So, going around the table, I think this is probably pretty rare, but has a guy ever faked

01:15:21.280 an orgasm with you? 0.86

01:15:23.640 Uh, no. 1.00

01:15:25.400 No.

01:15:26.120 No.

01:15:26.640 No.

01:15:27.160 No.

01:15:28.240 No.

01:15:28.820 Going back around this way, have you ever faked an O?

01:15:33.540 Go ahead.

01:15:34.920 Yes.

01:15:37.760 Okay.

01:15:38.460 Yes.

01:15:39.520 Maybe.

01:15:40.520 Yes.

01:15:41.360 No.

01:15:42.600 Yes.

01:15:43.620 No.

01:15:44.720 Wait, so that was yes for everyone besides you? 0.98

01:15:47.940 Except for the two liars.

01:15:48.920 You said no. 0.85

01:15:49.580 Okay.

01:15:49.800 I have a question, right?

01:15:51.840 I think a couple, maybe one or two of you said good communication is important.

01:15:55.660 Do you guys think good communication is important?

01:15:57.700 Yeah.

01:15:58.180 Well, hold on just a second here.

01:16:00.480 Yeah.

01:16:01.200 Don't women often criticize? 1.00

01:16:02.940 Men are just these terrible communicators.

01:16:05.300 Men don't communicate. 1.00

01:16:07.900 But, in a very important aspect of relationships, why is it that y'all be faking orgasms? 0.98

01:16:16.520 What is going on? 0.63

01:16:18.020 You said relationships.

01:16:19.120 In a relationship, I've never faked an orgasm.

01:16:22.540 Okay. 0.97

01:16:22.740 Just with the casual sexual encounters with hot, sexy Europeans? 0.99

01:16:28.640 That's not a roast. 0.99

01:16:29.580 I'm just...

01:16:30.920 Maybe.

01:16:32.340 It's okay.

01:16:33.520 Good for you.

01:16:34.400 All right.

01:16:34.680 Have fun.

01:16:35.120 Because it helps them to finish.

01:16:39.320 Okay.

01:16:39.880 Makes a bit more sense.

01:16:40.620 That's a fair point.

01:16:42.400 I still don't think you should do it, though.

01:16:44.300 But, um...

01:16:45.160 Do you understand, though?

01:16:46.420 You're not a woman. 1.00

01:16:47.080 You don't know exactly how it all works in there.

01:16:49.240 I know how it works.

01:16:49.880 So, sometimes it doesn't, like, always go there.

01:16:51.740 Wait, what do you mean?

01:16:52.180 And you might, like, be satisfied in your feeling and your situation and still want to give them...

01:17:01.560 So, you're saying it's a charitable act.

01:17:03.100 Truth uber alice.

01:17:05.100 The truth is the most important.

01:17:06.740 Give me the...

01:17:08.120 I don't want...

01:17:09.280 I want the truth.

01:17:11.000 Always.

01:17:11.340 Okay.

01:17:11.660 So, you rather them stop and say, I'm sorry, you're not doing a good job and your dish

01:17:16.240 is just not in.

01:17:17.020 You don't want that.

01:17:17.980 No.

01:17:18.300 I don't want that.

01:17:18.580 No.

01:17:18.820 No, I don't want that.

01:17:20.060 Okay.

01:17:20.080 Okay.

01:17:20.500 But, like, I don't... 0.76

01:17:22.220 The truth would be a girl not faking an orgasm and... 0.85

01:17:26.500 So, what would the truth be?

01:17:27.540 It would be her stopping and saying she doesn't like you.

01:17:28.460 Well, the orgasm becomes non-existent. 0.65

01:17:31.320 Huh?

01:17:31.740 The orgasm ceases to exist.

01:17:33.320 There is no...

01:17:33.880 Yeah, just you don't lie.

01:17:35.420 Yeah.

01:17:36.160 The truth would be not committing an act of...

01:17:39.060 And if you...

01:17:39.700 I mean, is that...

01:17:40.860 If your partner was failing to pleasure you, is that how you would go about in an intimate

01:17:46.060 sexual setting? 1.00

01:17:47.000 Just kind of bluntly and ruthlessly just saying, yeah, you kind of fucking suck. 1.00

01:17:53.040 I don't think that'd be... 1.00

01:17:53.680 If they weren't doing a good job on me.

01:17:55.020 Huh?

01:17:55.420 If they weren't doing a good job on me.

01:17:58.100 Yeah.

01:17:58.760 Then I would say something.

01:18:00.000 Well, how would you say it?

01:18:01.520 I would just be like, I don't know.

01:18:03.200 This isn't feeling good.

01:18:04.940 Like, I don't like this.

01:18:05.760 Let's try something else.

01:18:06.920 Wait.

01:18:07.600 What's the last part?

01:18:09.220 Let's try something else.

01:18:11.420 Oh, let's try something.

01:18:12.360 Wait.

01:18:12.640 When you say this isn't feeling good, are you communicating that like it's painful or

01:18:17.080 discomforting or it's just you're not feeling pleasure or sensation?

01:18:21.360 They're just, you know, not hitting it.

01:18:23.560 They're not knowing what they're doing or it's just not what you want.

01:18:27.960 Maybe they're really into doing something and you want them to do something else.

01:18:31.640 Okay.

01:18:32.900 So how would you go about telling the person?

01:18:39.140 You would just tell them.

01:18:41.260 Well, how?

01:18:41.780 Because there's a...

01:18:43.280 I'm sure there's a diplomatic way and then there's like a way that would like totally

01:18:46.340 kill the mood.

01:18:47.120 Yeah.

01:18:48.380 Yeah.

01:18:49.240 There is.

01:18:50.180 And that happens sometimes.

01:18:51.860 And there's also...

01:18:52.480 So wait, you kill the mood?

01:18:53.880 If there's something there, I mean, I might.

01:18:55.520 Yeah, I have.

01:18:57.040 Because they aren't precisely hitting the correct spot in that precise moment.

01:19:00.640 Yeah.

01:19:00.660 If the mood is killed, it's hard to come back up, you know?

01:19:02.700 Well, isn't it you killing the mood?

01:19:04.300 It might be.

01:19:05.240 Well, it would...

01:19:06.440 It might be a little selfish, but if I'm not feeling it and it's just not going good and

01:19:11.420 I'm just like, okay, I'm not into this anymore.

01:19:14.440 So if it's like momentarily not feeling good, like if you're not continuously feeling pleasure,

01:19:23.220 you're just going to like abruptly stop the sex?

01:19:27.680 No.

01:19:28.540 Have you ever had that situation with somebody you have a deeper connection with?

01:19:32.940 Yeah.

01:19:33.080 Somebody that you've been on dates, you've been in a relationship with, and you've had

01:19:36.560 to kill the mood with those people?

01:19:38.740 Yes.

01:19:40.200 That'd be awkward. 0.93

01:19:43.780 It's better than faking orgasms, right?

01:19:46.240 And just sitting there being like, oh, yeah, I like this.

01:19:48.240 It's not black and white.

01:19:49.500 There's also like a nice...

01:19:51.400 Like, what do you want?

01:19:52.160 You guys are so difficult to like please.

01:19:53.720 No, it's actually quite simple.

01:19:54.820 Wait, men are difficult to please?

01:19:56.560 No, apparently.

01:19:57.080 What do you want?

01:19:57.400 Well, but it's not about...

01:19:58.300 But you just said it's not about our pleasure.

01:20:00.240 No, I did not say that.

01:20:01.500 Let's re-

01:20:01.820 I did not say that.

01:20:02.120 No, no, no, no.

01:20:02.580 You said if you were not in that specific...

01:20:05.620 Yes, I advocate for myself.

01:20:07.120 I'm a self-advocate, but I'm not saying that.

01:20:09.760 No, but I'm confused why you're saying men are so difficult to please, but you abruptly

01:20:16.300 ending the sexual encounter or interrupting the sexual encounter, it seems strictly because

01:20:22.940 of your lack of specific pleasure in that specific moment.

01:20:27.080 It's not just like a one little like, oh, you messed up for one moment, that's it.

01:20:31.880 But if you're trying and you say, hmm, let's try something else and that's like...

01:20:35.580 Okay.

01:20:35.860 Do you think maybe you're not attracted to the person though?

01:20:38.200 Huh?

01:20:38.520 Do you think maybe you're not attracted to the person?

01:20:40.300 It sounds like you're very worried about the physical feeling, but if you're sharing

01:20:43.640 that intimacy with somebody who you actually care about, then that situation is not going

01:20:47.900 to occur where you're just so off it because you're sharing something very intimate.

01:20:53.680 Do you think you maybe just don't like the person and you should be careful?

01:20:56.480 No, I don't think that's true.

01:20:56.720 I think that there's some times that you're just not into that.

01:21:00.120 Do you think you may be a little bit too worried about the physical pleasure and sensation

01:21:03.620 rather than the actual act that you're engaging in?

01:21:06.460 No.

01:21:07.960 Fair enough.

01:21:08.500 I think I was saying something about communication being important. 0.92

01:21:16.980 Y'all can't, you got to stop faking orgasms, guys. 0.97

01:21:19.300 You can't be faking orgasms. 0.98

01:21:20.640 Just let the guy take the L and then, you know, let him take the L, you know, I think.

01:21:28.640 Especially, but I don't understand the logic of, well, in a relationship, I wouldn't, and

01:21:33.340 I don't know if that was everyone's response, but I know you said that, but in a casual encounter, 0.57

01:21:37.280 sure, I guess I'll fake an orgasm.

01:21:39.440 Well, it would occur to me, wouldn't it, not that I think you should fake it in a relationship, 0.99

01:21:44.180 but wouldn't it make, like, if you don't give a fuck about this casual encounter person, 0.99

01:21:49.040 why bother to fake an orgasm? 0.99

01:21:51.420 I think it's like the killing the mood thing.

01:21:53.900 It's just like, if you're having a good time with someone, like, I don't know, and it's

01:21:57.420 just like, you're not.

01:21:59.520 Oh, sorry.

01:22:00.300 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

01:22:02.980 Not really sure which Waffle House you picked up these ladies from, but maybe try IHOP next 1.00

01:22:09.500 time.

01:22:10.500 All this talk of communication, and they can't even express what gets them off. 1.00

01:22:15.400 Fuck's sake, mate. 1.00

01:22:16.780 They want to know. 0.99

01:22:17.800 Thank you, Grid One.

01:22:19.980 Well, it is an interesting point.

01:22:21.560 I mean, you often hear women, you know, they often say they wish men communicated better. 0.99

01:22:26.060 Men are poor communicators, but also it's, you know, I'll be faking orgasms. 0.98

01:22:31.520 I think that's poor communication. 0.99

01:22:33.520 Well, you're talking very sexually versus planning dates and stuff.

01:22:36.620 You're trying to compare two forms of communication.

01:22:39.200 Well, I mean, I think when we're talking about communication, we can talk about all sorts

01:22:43.500 of things.

01:22:43.900 But, like, I think we can all agree sex is an important part of a relationship.

01:22:48.180 And if you're not being satisfied, and you know you can, but you're not communicated,

01:22:53.620 and you're defaulting to, here, let me fake an orgasm, that's not, you're not communicating

01:22:59.280 your lack of receiving pleasure and being able to climax.

01:23:03.940 Yeah, but look, like, if you're traveling, you know you're never going to see this person

01:23:07.460 again.

01:23:08.000 You're having a good time, or you guys are friends, you know, you're leaving the next

01:23:10.900 day.

01:23:11.360 Are you really going to sit there?

01:23:12.840 I mean, maybe this is healthy, but, like, sit then down and be like, okay, this is actually

01:23:16.520 really what I like, this is what makes me comfortable, these are my boundaries, blah, blah, blah.

01:23:20.080 If you're having a moment and stuff, I mean, either fake the orgasm or don't fake the orgasm, 0.97

01:23:24.880 okay, fine.

01:23:25.640 But if it's in a relationship or something more serious, something that you know you're

01:23:29.200 going to see this person again, then I think it's very important to communicate.

01:23:33.800 And, yeah, yeah, communicate.

01:23:36.900 Yeah, I mean, I certainly agree that it would be more important to not fake orgasms if this

01:23:42.560 is somebody that you're pursuing for a long-term relationship versus.

01:23:46.520 I suppose I don't have a super strong objection if you're just, if it's a casual encounter,

01:23:53.560 although I'm not really in favor of casual encounters, but, at least from my point of

01:24:00.200 view, to me, it's like, what's the point?

01:24:02.480 It's not something I'm particularly interested in, but I think even in a casual encounter,

01:24:09.000 you could be like, and it doesn't, the communication, I mean, it's just like, could just be like, rub

01:24:15.220 my clip this way, or, you know, whatever.

01:24:17.600 Yeah.

01:24:18.760 I don't know.

01:24:19.300 True.

01:24:19.900 Word.

01:24:20.600 Word.

01:24:20.920 Has anybody here faked an orgasm in a relationship or with somebody who you wanted to pursue

01:24:27.020 a potential relationship with?

01:24:29.480 No.

01:24:30.160 Anybody?

01:24:30.780 Katie, you said you did before.

01:24:31.600 Your husband?

01:24:32.880 It was only the first time, but I communicated it to him afterwards.

01:24:37.260 Okay.

01:24:37.480 Yeah, so, we talked about it, and we fixed it, so, yeah, but I just felt scared in the

01:24:42.560 moment.

01:24:42.820 I didn't want to say anything, because I didn't want to hurt his feelings, obviously.

01:24:45.600 Okay.

01:24:46.300 It's the first time, so, yeah.

01:24:48.480 Hmm.

01:24:49.680 Good to know.

01:24:50.660 Good to know.

01:24:51.300 Did you have something, Katie?

01:24:52.640 No.

01:24:52.960 Okay.

01:24:54.900 All right.

01:24:55.940 Let's see.

01:24:56.460 We have some more notes here.

01:24:58.640 Last thing with you.

01:24:59.620 You said you believe, if you feel attracted towards someone, you should just come clean

01:25:03.000 with your intentions on the first date.

01:25:05.420 If you want to have sex, just say it. 0.91

01:25:08.160 Yeah, I would say, like, just don't play with the feelings.

01:25:10.720 Like, you want to have, like, a, oh, I want to take it more further.

01:25:14.060 You want to just hook up.

01:25:14.860 Just say it.

01:25:15.940 I'm not ready for it.

01:25:17.440 I don't want to do it.

01:25:18.080 I will say you straight to your face.

01:25:19.180 No, don't put efforts.

01:25:20.340 Don't go on more dates, because I'm not going to do that.

01:25:22.960 But I think don't play with the feelings and don't make it, like, more forward dates

01:25:27.340 and, like, more hanging out.

01:25:29.020 You should be clear with intention, whatever you want.

01:25:31.100 You want to.

01:25:31.360 Okay.

01:25:32.020 So, if I want to go around the table on this, starting with you.

01:25:36.520 Mm-hmm.

01:25:39.480 Are you on dating apps?

01:25:41.660 Yeah.

01:25:42.380 I am on Bumble, BFF.

01:25:46.080 Okay.

01:25:46.720 Hinge or anything, Tinder, anything like that?

01:25:48.640 No, no.

01:25:49.040 Let's say it's, like, very early on when you've met a guy.

01:25:51.560 Maybe it's, maybe you met him in person.

01:25:53.660 Maybe you met him on the dating app.

01:25:55.700 And fairly early on in the interaction, he does exactly what you've suggested, exactly

01:26:02.360 what you've recommended.

01:26:03.580 A guy just point blank says, I'm trying to think the best way a guy could phrase this.

01:26:10.840 He's just like, hey, I think you're cute. 0.98

01:26:12.980 Do you want to have sex? 0.99

01:26:15.740 You going to go for it? 0.99

01:26:17.460 No.

01:26:17.780 Okay, what about you?

01:26:20.720 If you weren't married, of course.

01:26:22.420 Of course.

01:26:23.440 If a guy went up to me, if a guy went up to me and asked me, hey, you're cute, want to 0.99

01:26:27.380 have sex? 0.99

01:26:27.960 Yeah. 0.97

01:26:28.120 What would I say?

01:26:28.880 Yeah.

01:26:31.740 No, I don't think I'd like that.

01:26:34.700 Same.

01:26:35.140 I think, like, in theory, that's a good practice, like, so we don't get screwed over.

01:26:40.340 But, like, realistically, if I came to a date, in the back of my mind, I was like, okay,

01:26:46.980 sleeping with this man, I would never sleep with the man if he, like, outright just said,

01:26:50.300 I want to sleep with you.

01:26:51.040 I think you're cute.

01:26:52.020 I think when you come to these dates, there's a sense of what both people are trying to get

01:26:58.220 out of that first encounter.

01:26:59.380 Personally, I would say no, just because I don't go on dates just to sleep with people. 0.95

01:27:07.460 What if you just went to have sex just to have sex with them? 0.99

01:27:11.620 If I was just going to have sex with them and they said, yeah, look, you want to have 1.00

01:27:14.500 sex, then yeah. 1.00

01:27:16.680 Okay.

01:27:16.960 I think it just depends on your intention going into the date.

01:27:19.500 Wait, so just to be clear, if a guy up front was like, hey, do you want to have sex?

01:27:25.420 And you'd be open to that.

01:27:27.260 Is it a pre-planned date or is this a random guy coming to me on the street?

01:27:31.920 It depends on, like, do I know the guy?

01:27:34.200 Like, what's the background context with this guy?

01:27:37.060 Have you been on a dating app?

01:27:38.240 I have been on a dating app.

01:27:39.080 Matched with him on a dating app.

01:27:40.300 You think he's attractive, had a little pleasant back and forth, that's the extent of it.

01:27:45.040 And if my intention was to hook up with this man and he said that, then we're on the same page.

01:27:50.160 Isn't that your intention, though?

01:27:51.320 Yeah, that's my intention, then yes.

01:27:52.940 But not all of my intentions on a dating app is just to sleep with people.

01:27:56.180 Okay, so so long as he asks it up front, but if he were to ask you, like, on a date just to grab some food, and then he asked it, then you would object?

01:28:06.240 It depends on if my intentions going on that date was to sleep with him or if it was to get to know him and, like, you know, like, further advance that more into a relationship.

01:28:14.920 Okay, what about you?

01:28:16.060 If they walked up, like, no, I mean, there'd need to be more to that.

01:28:25.020 Okay, got it.

01:28:26.140 What about you?

01:28:27.140 Same.

01:28:28.480 Yeah, no.

01:28:29.940 Unless, yeah, no.

01:28:31.560 Wait, so, okay, you matched with a guy, you've been on a dating app?

01:28:34.040 Like, once.

01:28:34.900 Once, okay.

01:28:35.620 A long time ago.

01:28:36.160 Did you go out partying at all?

01:28:38.120 Here, no.

01:28:38.960 Here, no.

01:28:39.380 Well, okay.

01:28:42.620 And most of the ones that come up and say that, it's like, no.

01:28:46.620 Okay.

01:28:47.440 It's like, it's not my intentions.

01:28:49.160 See, I'm not really, like, that's not attractive to me.

01:28:52.080 Okay. 0.81

01:28:52.260 If I was at a state of my life, and I know that there's many people out there who, yeah, like, they just want to have sex, and sex is fun for that. 0.80

01:28:59.220 And, you know, they're vibing with the person, and they're like, okay, do you want to go have sex? 0.87

01:29:03.220 Then, yeah.

01:29:04.120 But I'm personally, like, that's not where I'm at right now. 0.85

01:29:07.740 Would it be too forward, do you think, like, if a guy just straight up asked you, hey, do you want to have sex?

01:29:12.340 Not in a creepy way, but just, like, in the most, you know, just normal way you can ask somebody.

01:29:19.540 What if he was really super-duper hot?

01:29:22.560 Super-duper. 0.98

01:29:23.220 If he was super-duper hot, and I wanted to have sex, just sex, I didn't see him as anything else, and I think that's super, yeah, that's great. 0.97

01:29:31.440 What if you wanted more, though? 0.88

01:29:32.540 If I wanted more, then no.

01:29:34.260 See, the problem is that you girls always think about some creepy guy in a big coat when you think about this question.

01:29:40.020 We're talking about chads.

01:29:41.700 No, we don't.

01:29:42.140 I'm thinking about chads.

01:29:43.360 I mean, maybe it's because of my age, because I'm 29, but, yeah, I think about the little college boys that are...

01:29:49.360 Okay. 0.81

01:29:50.480 Wait, but so, hold on, just to be clear, so, wait, a guy that you would want to have a relationship with, you would want to wait to have sex? 0.70

01:30:03.320 100%, yes.

01:30:04.080 Ooh, this isn't, we, I want to go around the table on that one, but, but if there was just some, like, hot dude, and, I'm trying to think how I frame this question.

01:30:15.760 Hmm, hmm, he was just straight up, wanted to have sex, he communicated it, you'd, you'd also go for that. 0.90

01:30:28.620 You'd just have the quick, casual sex. 0.99

01:30:31.080 If I wanted a relationship with him? 0.99

01:30:33.820 Well, if you didn't, I suppose. 0.99

01:30:36.720 And all I wanted was sex? 0.98

01:30:38.520 Yeah. 0.96

01:30:38.760 At that moment?

01:30:39.360 Yes. 0.82

01:30:40.060 Okay, at that moment, if all you wanted was sex, okay.

01:30:43.340 I'm at the time in my life where I don't want to date, and it's a guy, and I'm friends with, and I don't see him as anything more than a friend, or, like, I just know I don't want to have a relationship with him like that, but, you know, there's some banter, there's some tension, he's like, okay, I really, like, I think you're really attractive, like, I want to have sex.

01:31:00.960 If I wanted, and that's what I wanted, then yes.

01:31:03.120 I see.

01:31:03.820 I have something for this, Nick.

01:31:04.960 If you can start pulling it up, it's in the Dropbox folder.

01:31:08.160 It's F8.

01:31:09.700 It's, like, a Reddit thread we can react to.

01:31:11.880 It's next to the picture of Molly.

01:31:14.580 It's a black, it's, like, a black screen grab from Reddit, F8L, in the, just the first Dropbox folder.

01:31:23.200 I mean, you don't need to show it to us, but get that pulled up, and then what about you, a guy, I know you're in a relationship right now, let's assume you were single, or back when you were single, guy walks up to you, or maybe matches with you on the dating app, it's just, hey, I think you're cute, do you want to have sex, yay or nay?

01:31:42.460 Probably from the dating app, even if he was really hot, not the first time, just because I'm going to assume that that's how all his dates go, and that's kind of gross, because to me, it's, like, exchanging souls, like, way more than just having sex.

01:31:57.200 It's kind of, like, giving a piece, which I feel fine, but, like, receiving, I don't know what I'm receiving.

01:32:05.020 Wait, I'm...

01:32:05.960 Like, I don't want to get really into it, it's kind of spiritual, but just cooties.

01:32:13.460 You're talking, like, STDs?

01:32:15.900 I mean, that, and, like, I don't know, I'm just very, like, this is my temple, and I don't want bad energy from someone I don't know very well, even if he's attractive.

01:32:26.080 Your body is your temple.

01:32:28.140 Yeah.

01:32:28.460 Okay. 0.93

01:32:30.280 So, how long do you think, and I will return, I do want to return to the whole, you know, waiting, how long do you think you should wait before having sex with somebody? 0.90

01:32:42.460 I don't know, kind of when you know, you know.

01:32:44.460 Like, if I really like the guy, and I see potential, and I want to keep hanging out with him, then, of course, I would.

01:32:53.400 You would sooner rather than later?

01:32:55.400 Yeah.

01:32:56.000 Okay, I see.

01:32:57.920 So, what if you're on the, you're, like, on the fence about the guy?

01:33:01.600 On the fence?

01:33:03.240 I don't know if you've encountered that.

01:33:04.460 I probably would still, yeah.

01:33:05.700 I'd be okay with having sex, even though I was kind of like, eh, maybe.

01:33:08.340 Well, your current boyfriend, how, was it the first date? 0.78

01:33:11.800 No.

01:33:12.640 Second date?

01:33:15.140 Yeah.

01:33:16.460 Mm-hmm.

01:33:17.260 Okay.

01:33:17.660 Second date, but there was a lot of time between them, because we met one day when I was still living in Missouri, and then he went back to California.

01:33:25.040 Okay.

01:33:26.560 All right.

01:33:29.020 So, Nick, were you, don't pull it up yet, but do you, you have it?

01:33:33.440 Okay, we'll react to that in just a sec, so, um, I think the point was, so, actually, we'll go around the table on that. 0.95

01:33:42.180 How long do you think you should wait before having sex with somebody?

01:33:46.040 How long do you like to wait? 0.88

01:33:47.900 I like to wait.

01:33:48.780 If I actually see a potential of a relationship, and I want to be in a relationship, I wait a while, I would say, more than the average person.

01:33:55.900 So, if you see a potential for a relationship.

01:33:58.000 Mm-hmm.

01:33:58.140 And I want a relationship.

01:33:59.480 You'll wait.

01:34:00.400 Yes. 0.62

01:34:00.720 Coincidingly, though, if you don't see a potential for a relationship, you will, um, you're, you're willing to have sex immediately.

01:34:15.700 Uh, if I'm, like, traveling, and, yeah, I want to have experiences, yes.

01:34:20.840 Okay, so, when you're traveling.

01:34:21.660 And if I want, want sex, yes. 0.86

01:34:23.140 Yeah, and you just were traveling, correct? 0.98

01:34:24.760 You were in Europe, you said you were in Spain.

01:34:27.000 Did you go to any other countries, or just stuck?

01:34:29.340 Yeah, I went. 0.95

01:34:29.620 Um, okay, so, if you're just traveling, so you are, you, you don't have any, uh, qualms with having sex with someone immediately.

01:34:41.660 Like, okay, while you were in Europe, like, was there just, like, some, some dude, maybe you were at a party or something, I don't know, and, like, an hour, an hour later, like, you guys are hooking up.

01:34:50.960 Yeah.

01:34:51.200 Okay, okay, um, so, okay, but, if you, if you mark the person as somebody you want to have something long-term with, then, how, do you have a sense of how long you'd like to wait?

01:35:06.360 Um, depends on the person.

01:35:09.700 Do you have an estimate, like, a couple weeks, a couple, couple dates, a couple months?

01:35:14.820 It's, I've done a couple months before.

01:35:16.580 You've done a couple months before.

01:35:18.220 Okay.

01:35:18.760 Is that recently, or?

01:35:20.720 Wait, but I thought you, you, oh, no, you did have a one-year relationship, correct?

01:35:24.300 Okay, was that the one-year?

01:35:25.640 Yeah.

01:35:26.100 So, your one-year relationship, when, you're 20, correct?

01:35:29.220 Yeah.

01:35:29.740 When was the, how old were you when you had the one-year relationship?

01:35:32.000 Eighteen.

01:35:32.400 Eighteen, was this in high school, or?

01:35:34.060 It was, like, the end of high school.

01:35:34.960 End of high school, okay.

01:35:36.460 Now, prior to the one-year relationship, um, did you have any of those experiences, or was it just kind of more fun, and?

01:35:44.000 No, not really.

01:35:45.900 Okay, so, your one-year relationship, was that the first guy that you had ever been with?

01:35:51.280 First guy I've ever had sex with. 0.96

01:35:52.740 Okay, first guy you ever had sex with. 0.92

01:35:54.240 Okay, so, I mean, that changes things a little bit, because, I mean, so, you were, it was your first time having sex, you were a virgin,

01:36:00.500 so you waited a little bit, um, but after that relationship, um, you're more open to just having sex immediately.

01:36:10.020 I'm still not really that type of person.

01:36:13.320 Well, you just said, but you were.

01:36:14.420 Like, if I'm traveling and stuff, not, if I'm not, but I'm not looking.

01:36:17.180 And they wonder why we don't want to be traveling.

01:36:18.800 I'm not, but I'm, I'm, you know, I'm living in a place for, you know, four or six months.

01:36:24.440 I know that, like, it's not going to be a long-term relationship for me with Michael.

01:36:29.140 It's not going to work out.

01:36:30.120 Okay, I see.

01:36:30.900 Like, it's, it's not like I'm going out there and I'm looking for people to hook up with.

01:36:33.760 If there's, you know.

01:36:34.960 If you had a long-term boyfriend, would you go traveling?

01:36:37.820 Yes.

01:36:38.200 By yourself?

01:36:38.880 Mm-hmm.

01:36:39.320 Do you think that he would be reasonable to have objections to that?

01:36:42.880 Uh, hopefully he wouldn't, or he would travel with me.

01:36:46.320 But, but you would go traveling by yourself, though?

01:36:48.440 I would.

01:36:48.880 With a, with a boyfriend?

01:36:49.880 A hundred percent.

01:36:50.440 And he, and he's at home.

01:36:52.280 I mean, if he doesn't want to come, yeah.

01:36:56.640 Also, it's healthy to have those things.

01:36:59.900 I would not give up traveling at this point in my life for.

01:37:03.120 Sure.

01:37:03.560 To stay at home, to be in a relationship.

01:37:06.320 Okay.

01:37:07.280 Um, so, I'm curious.

01:37:11.020 So, for example, like, you just were traveling.

01:37:13.360 It sounds like you just had some of these short-term, like, casual experiences.

01:37:17.860 Um, now that you're, how long have you been back here in Santa Barbara, in California?

01:37:24.380 Or not in Santa, just back home?

01:37:25.760 A month.

01:37:26.360 You've been back home a month.

01:37:27.500 Okay.

01:37:28.360 Um, less than a month, or what?

01:37:31.260 Oh, I thought you were, like, shaking your head or something like that.

01:37:33.600 I don't know.

01:37:33.960 I was just cracking my neck.

01:37:34.860 Oh, okay, okay.

01:37:35.980 Um.

01:37:36.820 Let me just.

01:37:37.400 Okay, so you've been, now that you're back here, are you, trying to.

01:37:45.900 Um, the next, do you think, okay, the guy, the next guy that you could potentially see 0.89

01:37:53.900 as having a relationship with, are you going to want to wait to have sex with him? 0.96

01:37:57.800 Yes. 0.99

01:37:59.020 Okay.

01:38:00.140 Just off of the back of having a string of short, uh, like, immediate casual sexual encounters.

01:38:06.420 I mean, there weren't that many, but yeah, yeah.

01:38:08.680 If you don't mind me asking, how many?

01:38:10.180 Over the last six months?

01:38:16.120 Like four?

01:38:17.540 Like four?

01:38:19.360 Five?

01:38:19.820 Plus or minus?

01:38:20.660 No.

01:38:21.100 Plus or minus?

01:38:22.040 Okay.

01:38:22.740 Okay, four.

01:38:23.300 At least four.

01:38:23.900 Um, do you, is it conceivable that that guy who you are, that guy who you are potentially

01:38:32.060 eyeballing for a long-term relationship and let's say he wants to have sex, but you're 1.00

01:38:38.220 like, no, no, no, I want a long-term, I want, I really like you.

01:38:43.200 I want it, I want it to be serious. 1.00

01:38:44.880 If he knows that you, your previous standard was, well, when I'm in Europe, I'll fuck the 1.00

01:38:50.520 guy immediately. 0.99

01:38:52.880 Do you anticipate that a guy might object to that?

01:38:59.060 I hope that he wouldn't.

01:39:00.580 I hope he would respect my boundaries.

01:39:02.860 And also, like.

01:39:04.000 Do you realize that you only have boundaries for him though? 0.99

01:39:06.200 Also, when you guys say fuck immediately and have sex immediately, that's not always what 0.99

01:39:10.980 happened in Europe. 0.99

01:39:12.340 Like a lot of the time when I say casual, it was like friends, that turned into more.

01:39:16.360 Not relationships, but you know, more than that.

01:39:18.700 It's not like, I don't know.

01:39:20.140 Well, but it sounded like, I mean, I asked you, I think if, you know, you had hooked up

01:39:25.360 within like an hour of meeting somebody.

01:39:26.940 That happened twice.

01:39:28.740 Twice, right.

01:39:29.520 So then your boyfriend's gonna have that standard in mind when he, when he wants to.

01:39:35.000 He's getting different treatment.

01:39:36.860 Yeah, because the guys in Europe, I wasn't pursuing long-term relationships with, but

01:39:41.080 he, I am.

01:39:42.620 It almost occurs to me though, if this is somebody that you see for long-term, with long-term

01:39:47.900 potential, wouldn't, wouldn't that be the guy who's more deserving of having like, sleeping

01:39:55.400 with sooner?

01:39:56.920 No. 0.90

01:39:57.860 Like, wouldn't you, but if you like really like the guy, wouldn't you want to have sex 1.00

01:40:04.380 with him? 1.00

01:40:05.340 I would.

01:40:06.040 Because to me, it seems like you're almost gamifying.

01:40:08.200 It's like you're playing a game.

01:40:09.360 No, no. 0.99

01:40:10.080 I would definitely want to have sex. 0.90

01:40:11.520 So what, why would you, if you don't have any sort of objections to sleeping with somebody

01:40:16.400 fast, because you don't, um, why would you make a potential boyfriend wait to have sex?

01:40:23.500 Because I would wait, want to make sure that we're in a relationship that's based on much

01:40:27.560 more than just sex or much more than just my body.

01:40:29.820 But why can't you simultaneously, like you're using it as like the carrot on a stick. 0.58

01:40:36.360 Why can't you simultaneously build a relationship and have sex at the same time? 0.65

01:40:40.560 You definitely can, but I would just wait.

01:40:42.580 But you have, you have no like moral objections to sleeping with someone quickly.

01:40:46.460 So I just don't understand.

01:40:48.920 Like, it's not like you're religious and you're waiting until marriage because that's like 0.98

01:40:53.640 your moral or religious point of view.

01:40:55.800 Can I pitch in?

01:40:57.580 Well, I'd like to, but you can add to it in a bit, but I'm trying to get an answer from

01:41:01.480 her.

01:41:02.100 Well, for me, I mean, sex, like it is, it is very meaningful.

01:41:07.560 Even when, yes, even when I've hooked.

01:41:09.360 Yes, it is.

01:41:10.400 Okay.

01:41:10.760 It is. 0.76

01:41:11.200 For me, sex is meaningful.

01:41:12.460 But so why the different standard for shouldn't, if it is, if that is the case, why engage in

01:41:17.000 casual sexual encounters?

01:41:18.360 Because I'm on a different side of the world.

01:41:22.340 I'm 20.

01:41:23.340 I'm living life.

01:41:24.040 I want to experience that I haven't done it before.

01:41:26.840 I want to experience hookup culture.

01:41:28.560 It was fine.

01:41:29.820 Like, you know, but it's for me, like a long-term relationship that's serious.

01:41:35.220 Okay.

01:41:35.680 And I just, I want to really get to know the person.

01:41:37.880 I want to make sure that we're compatible intellectually, compatible, emotionally compatible, you know,

01:41:43.140 like that.

01:41:43.580 And that also makes the sex better.

01:41:45.100 Sure. 0.72

01:41:45.660 But having, but all those things you listed, if you were to have sex with them on the same

01:41:51.880 timeline that you've had sex with, these casual encounters, that wouldn't preclude you from

01:41:56.600 any of those other things that you want to explore with a partner.

01:42:00.420 Can I give one example?

01:42:01.680 Absolutely.

01:42:02.500 Go ahead.

01:42:02.580 So, how would you feel if, so, if, would you prefer someone to buy you a really nice gift,

01:42:08.000 an expensive gift, or take you for a weekend away?

01:42:10.860 Take me for a weekend away.

01:42:11.960 Okay.

01:42:12.460 How would you feel if you were dating a guy, and all you wanted was for him to take you

01:42:16.260 for a nice weekend away, but he made you wait three months, and then you found out

01:42:20.160 that five other girls, he took them for a nice weekend away straight away.

01:42:23.560 How would that make you feel?

01:42:24.380 I mean, I would just ask him, why did you take, like, what is it about me that made

01:42:29.360 you not want to take me away?

01:42:30.600 If this is what you were doing with all the other girls, I'd be like, oh, maybe I'm not 0.96

01:42:33.380 like all the other girls then, you know? 0.83

01:42:35.280 Well, it's kind of a special thing to take someone away for a weekend.

01:42:38.440 So, would you feel that maybe he doesn't have the same sort of burning desire to spend

01:42:42.080 that time with you?

01:42:43.240 I mean, I'd have to communicate with him about it.

01:42:46.620 I don't know.

01:42:47.060 But do you think, like, logically, that would mean that he doesn't have the desire to want

01:42:50.820 to spend that time with you straight away?

01:42:53.340 No.

01:42:53.660 Because for us, it's like, a woman's body is very sacred.

01:42:57.180 So, if I want to be in a relationship with a girl, and she says to me, you're going to 0.99

01:43:00.980 wait, if you're Logan Paul, though, and you find out that she's slept with a bunch of 0.90

01:43:06.240 different guys straight away, then you're going to feel like she just doesn't really have

01:43:09.980 that desire for you.

01:43:11.480 Did you see the whole Logan Paul situation?

01:43:13.580 No.

01:43:14.260 So, Logan Paul's wife, they went on podcast together, and she was saying how, oh, I made

01:43:19.080 him wait, I made him wait, and he was saying, yeah, like, that's how I knew she

01:43:22.620 was the one, and then he was fighting a guy, and then the guy, Dylan Dennis, came out with

01:43:28.020 all these photos of all these guys that she'd been with, and it turns out she hadn't exactly

01:43:31.800 been so tempered with her body before that. 0.76

01:43:36.340 So, then Logan Paul got taken the piss out of.

01:43:38.720 But these are different people, like, in my life, it's someone who I have a deeper connection

01:43:42.820 with, and I want to, you know, I want to have that deep connection with, versus, you

01:43:46.940 know, a night out in Europe.

01:43:48.600 Like, it's just a whole different realm.

01:43:50.760 So, you're thinking it very much from your perspective, though.

01:43:54.240 It's kind of, I'm not really hearing much empathy with how the guy might feel.

01:43:57.800 Because whether they admit it or not, like, us guys have big egos, right?

01:44:01.320 So, when we have our girl, if we find out that she's giving it away to guys really easily

01:44:05.980 beforehand with us, and then she made us wait, it makes us look like a mug.

01:44:11.060 And then other people, when they see that, like, if I saw my mate, and he was with a girl,

01:44:14.960 and he's like, yeah, man, I think she's the one, she's making me wait.

01:44:17.820 And then Brian was like, no, I hit it first night.

01:44:22.080 That would, I would think that, like, my friend was, like, a bit of a mug, getting made to wait

01:44:26.240 like that.

01:44:27.040 Really?

01:44:27.420 That's interesting.

01:44:28.160 Guys have that politics, and maybe you're not aware of it, but...

01:44:31.560 I think it depends on the guy.

01:44:32.540 You have to think about the ego of the man that you're...

01:44:34.700 I think it depends on the ego of the man.

01:44:36.360 Well, and here's, I mean, to add to what Jake is saying, it's kind of like the way we 0.91

01:44:40.160 might view it is, you know, women often, for example, might complain about fuckboys, right? 0.98

01:44:44.480 So, you reward the fuckboys, who will never give you commitment, with immediate sex, and 0.98

01:44:50.120 you're going to punish the guys worthy of a relationship, and you, by making them wait weeks, 0.99

01:44:55.060 months, or even until marriage.

01:44:56.500 And look, ultimately, it's certainly your prerogative.

01:44:59.780 If you want to have 100 previous sexual partners, you slept with them, 100 previous sexual partners,

01:45:08.020 you slept with them on the first date, and then the next guy, it's, we're waiting until

01:45:13.100 marriage, that's 100% you're right.

01:45:15.400 We're coming at it from the guy's perspective of, hey, 100% you're right, if you, that was

01:45:21.760 your previous standard, all the other guys you slept with immediately, now you want to

01:45:26.060 make me wait for marriage?

01:45:27.100 That's your right.

01:45:28.220 But we're going to view that in a certain type of way of, like, you're not the girl for... 0.80

01:45:33.080 A lot of the guys are going to feel a certain type of way about that.

01:45:35.740 They're going to have an issue with that.

01:45:37.160 Yeah.

01:45:37.660 And it does seem to me to be, I don't know if it's a bit of a double standard to some

01:45:43.800 degree.

01:45:44.560 Like, not in the typical sense of a double standard, but you have one standard for this

01:45:48.600 cohort of men, and a different standard for another cohort of men.

01:45:52.780 So, yeah.

01:45:54.640 Can I make a comment on something you guys said?

01:45:56.680 Sure.

01:45:56.880 So, when you guys were talking about, like, you know she's the one because she waited

01:46:01.040 to sleep with you, maybe that's why, like, a lot of women, I think also, if I'm trying 1.00

01:46:05.460 to pursue a guy in a relationship, I want, like, a lot of guys' perspectives are, oh, she's

01:46:11.020 going to make me wait, so she's the one.

01:46:12.900 If I'm trying to pursue this guy, I want to be the one, you know?

01:46:15.440 So, I'll be like, oh, it will show a good, like, it's a good foot forward if I don't

01:46:20.300 sleep with him on the first date, because that means when I'm interested in him, I want

01:46:23.780 to hear about him.

01:46:24.680 Like, it's not just about sex for me.

01:46:26.100 Yeah.

01:46:26.500 I'd say you've got a good point in terms of the fact that you want to present yourself

01:46:30.860 as somebody who's a long-term partner.

01:46:32.520 Yeah.

01:46:32.960 However, you have to be very wary of your past coming back to bite you in that regard.

01:46:38.440 In terms of, if he's a proud guy, and he finds out that actually, in fact, you didn't

01:46:42.660 make other people wait, then that's going to be an issue.

01:46:45.600 But, if you're somebody who has a track record of making people wait, or if you're somebody

01:46:50.640 who's saving themselves to a marriage, for example, then a guy's going to really respect

01:46:54.360 that.

01:46:54.860 Okay.

01:46:55.060 I guess, yeah.

01:46:56.480 I think that it sets up a completely different dynamic, what you choose to do.

01:47:00.500 So, if you're sleeping with a guy on the first date, and you know you don't want anything

01:47:04.700 serious, you're letting him know that.

01:47:07.940 I think there's an understanding when you're going into a date or pursuing someone in a

01:47:11.760 relationship that both of you are waiting.

01:47:13.840 Sure, one more person might be eager, but there's an understanding that you're getting to know

01:47:17.320 one another.

01:47:17.820 In the past, if I've slept with someone earlier after getting to know them, that never results

01:47:24.240 in a relationship.

01:47:24.980 That leads into a situationship where friends with benefits.

01:47:27.660 And I think that waiting structures a successful relationship.

01:47:32.500 I get it.

01:47:32.900 But I guess I do get what you're saying.

01:47:35.660 And, you know, you do want to set a precedent, but you can't really have your cake and eat

01:47:39.180 it.

01:47:39.560 Because if that's not your standard all the time, then it can't be your standard for

01:47:42.500 me.

01:47:42.660 And my personal standards, and like a lot of the guys who I know, would be the exact

01:47:47.760 same like that.

01:47:48.620 So, are you saying that if you ever did a one night stand in your life, that you no longer

01:47:53.540 should, you shouldn't have, you're not up to standards to have a relationship if the

01:48:01.120 girl wants to wait. 1.00

01:48:02.520 If you once in your life had a one night stand, and then you meet someone that you want to

01:48:06.840 pursue a relationship with, and she wants to wait.

01:48:09.560 But you didn't wait in the past.

01:48:11.300 So, if her standard was that she always makes people wait, and if she didn't respect the 1.00

01:48:18.040 fact that I had had one night stands, then that would be fair enough if she didn't want 1.00

01:48:21.420 to do that.

01:48:21.920 Okay.

01:48:23.020 Neeklish has donated $200.

01:48:26.000 Hello to all.

01:48:27.080 I wonder where the podcast will go this time.

01:48:30.160 That is a good question.

01:48:31.460 I do.

01:48:31.660 Who knows?

01:48:32.820 Who knows where it will go?

01:48:34.360 Maybe someone will pull out.

01:48:41.140 No, I do see a point.

01:48:42.600 I think a lot of guys would say, oh yeah, men and women are different.

01:48:45.420 And men and women are different in that regard when it comes to promiscuity and sleeping

01:48:48.720 around.

01:48:49.520 But I would say that if I met a woman, and she was like a woman of high moral principle, 0.98

01:48:54.240 and she said, I've waited so much, and I've resisted so much temptation, and you've done

01:48:59.460 this, this, and that.

01:49:00.980 Sorry.

01:49:01.320 I would understand, because my past has come back to bite me.

01:49:05.160 Sure.

01:49:05.600 But do you feel you yourself feel like these one night stands made you ineligible for a

01:49:11.180 good relationship?

01:49:13.180 They probably did affect it.

01:49:14.600 Yeah.

01:49:15.000 Okay.

01:49:15.520 Definitely.

01:49:16.100 Definitely.

01:49:16.560 Even guys are different.

01:49:17.900 I do think the guys are different to girls in that regard. 0.99

01:49:20.240 But I would say that definitely, if you look at a person who's a really devout Christian

01:49:26.320 or Muslim the whole life, and they wait till marriage, then they're going to be of a different, 1.00

01:49:31.660 they're going to think about sex and relationships and everything very differently.

01:49:35.000 But the world that we live in, we're surrounded by so much temptation and so much freedom and

01:49:38.820 liberty and Yas Queen and everything that it's very hard to sort of fend off that temptation

01:49:43.740 sometimes.

01:49:45.040 So, yeah.

01:49:46.980 That's what I'd say about that.

01:49:49.520 Yeah.

01:49:50.000 And I mean, as far as, and I think there's certainly a scope to it, too.

01:49:56.480 I mean, you said if a girl had one one-night stand, and then moving on from there, her new 0.76

01:50:01.660 standard became, well, I'm going to wait for all my future partners.

01:50:05.740 I think that's a little different than a girl who's perhaps had multiple casual engagements.

01:50:10.040 Say she has had 10, 20, 30, of the 10, 20, 30 guys she's had sex with, that she all did

01:50:16.140 it immediately.

01:50:17.180 Then, oh, this is the guy I want to be in a relationship with.

01:50:20.680 I want to wait three months, 90-day rule or something like that.

01:50:24.580 It's, it doesn't come across as like an actual authentic standard.

01:50:29.380 It just seems like you've just totally, and it's your prerogative to shift.

01:50:33.960 But, we're not saying women shouldn't be allowed to do that, and of course, you should, if you 0.99

01:50:42.100 want to change for the better, fantastic.

01:50:44.500 But, don't expect men to accept your past.

01:50:49.260 We also have a right to discernment and judgment, just as you do.

01:50:53.460 And we're allowed to have preferences, standards, and boundaries.

01:50:55.860 So, did you have something on this?

01:50:58.540 Yes.

01:50:59.180 Okay.

01:50:59.400 Oh, I can keep going, and then if you want to think about it.

01:51:04.080 Keep going, sure.

01:51:04.900 Yeah.

01:51:05.180 So, I have a couple examples here that I could give you that might be able to like paint it

01:51:09.360 a little bit.

01:51:09.920 So, here's an analogy, sort of the inverse.

01:51:15.660 Telling your date that, so all the exes got five-star meals, but she gets McDonald's because 1.00

01:51:22.760 you've turned over a new leaf and decided that money has better uses than just trying

01:51:26.680 to impress people.

01:51:28.040 That's one example.

01:51:28.700 So, you're on a date with a guy, you know, you know that he took all his previous ex-girlfriends

01:51:35.160 that he dated, all the other girls he's seen on these really elaborate, really nice

01:51:39.480 dinners, and he doesn't have any financial issues or anything.

01:51:43.300 He took them on fantastic dinners, spent $100, $200, but he takes you to McDonald's.

01:51:50.520 I have something to say to that.

01:51:52.040 What if that man was fine with taking all these women out to nice dinners because he didn't

01:51:57.380 want anything with this girl?

01:51:58.840 And then he finds a girl he likes and he wants to make sure she's not a gold digger. 0.93

01:52:02.280 So, he takes her to McDonald's.

01:52:04.980 That's exactly what women are saying. 1.00

01:52:08.160 That sometimes...

01:52:09.080 So, you'd be cool with that, is what you're saying?

01:52:12.880 If that's his reasoning, if later on he does take me out to a nice dinner, we have this

01:52:17.440 conversation...

01:52:17.840 Like, don't worry about later on.

01:52:19.900 First of all, you know that this man chops out.

01:52:22.820 He goes for the filet mignon and he tells her to wear a nice red dress and they go out and

01:52:27.520 they hit the town.

01:52:28.440 Your turn comes around and it's Macca's.

01:52:30.920 But I think...

01:52:31.540 And he says, I'm going to make sure you're not a gold digger.

01:52:33.460 I think where this differs is...

01:52:36.060 Are you saying this...

01:52:37.360 If this man knows that you've had these white night stands, you've slept around, and he

01:52:42.720 doesn't want to pursue you, that's completely okay.

01:52:44.980 But like, no, no, no, like, stick to the question for a second.

01:52:49.680 Sure.

01:52:50.060 Would you be okay with that situation?

01:52:52.860 And then him saying to you, I'm not taking you because I want to make sure you're not

01:52:56.160 a gold digger.

01:52:56.840 Yeah.

01:52:57.880 Did he make sure that everyone else is not a gold digger? 0.99

01:52:59.900 But he didn't want to...

01:53:00.760 He didn't want to pursue the past.

01:53:01.620 How do you know that?

01:53:02.740 Well, that's what we're saying.

01:53:03.740 We're saying like, if...

01:53:05.400 But don't you think there'd be a double standard though?

01:53:07.960 If he said to you, look, first date we're going to Macca's, just want to make sure

01:53:12.160 you're not a gold digger.

01:53:12.840 But then you're thinking to yourself, but you took everyone else to the filet mignon.

01:53:17.040 I think it would be a double standard if he didn't plan to see me again, the same way

01:53:22.240 that I'm...

01:53:22.420 But you don't know what he's thinking though.

01:53:23.420 This is just objective, looking at it straight up.

01:53:25.880 There's five ducks in a row. 0.97

01:53:27.100 One of them is black. 0.98

01:53:28.460 Sure.

01:53:28.620 But you can't make that comparison when this whole conversation has been that weird, that

01:53:32.420 what differs between a relationship and one night stands is because when some of these

01:53:38.160 girls might sleep with them right away, they're not envisioning a relationship. 1.00

01:53:41.060 They don't want to see them pass this one hookup, two hookups.

01:53:45.380 But like, don't you think that there's something that you're giving away that's special there?

01:53:51.580 That's what we're trying to get at.

01:53:52.580 When we're saying, he's done this special act for four other girls, and then you come

01:53:57.440 around, and then you're not getting that special act just yet.

01:54:00.000 You have to wait for it.

01:54:00.880 I think there's different ideas of special.

01:54:06.840 Sure, I think everyone thinks that sex is special, but I also feel like letting someone

01:54:11.300 in to know my personality is also special.

01:54:13.580 So if I'm waiting a few weeks with someone that I want to date, they're getting to know

01:54:21.180 me more than any of these other people are getting to know me, which I think in its way

01:54:25.300 is special.

01:54:25.840 And some people don't care about sex, you know, other people's do it's, it's very much

01:54:31.480 so based on individual people.

01:54:33.680 Do you think for the most part, though, that guys are going to care about that?

01:54:36.840 Yeah, guys are going to care about who you've slept with, especially if they know the people.

01:54:41.000 Yeah, and I think it's okay for them to care.

01:54:43.880 I think it's okay for them to judge.

01:54:45.320 I know we women, we also judge. 1.00

01:54:47.000 I don't want to date someone with a huge body count, tons of one night stands.

01:54:50.920 I think that goes both ways.

01:54:52.160 You have a right to judge, you have a right to leave, but in the conversation of how we're

01:54:57.100 feeling, we're just explaining that when we want a relationship with someone and we

01:55:01.480 don't, things differ.

01:55:03.500 Yeah, right.

01:55:04.220 I get how you guys feel about it, though, but do you empathize with how the guy feels

01:55:08.240 about it?

01:55:08.680 That's the different part.

01:55:09.860 And I'm saying they have a right to not be interested, they have a right to leave.

01:55:13.040 I'm not saying they have to stick it through.

01:55:15.620 If you're dating somebody, say for the first few months or whatever it is, what are the most

01:55:19.540 important factors to that?

01:55:21.260 What's the most important thing for you that just says, is this guy worth dating or is

01:55:24.760 he not?

01:55:25.820 Honesty.

01:55:27.720 Yeah.

01:55:28.480 Anything else?

01:55:29.480 Loyalty.

01:55:30.100 Yeah.

01:55:30.560 Yeah.

01:55:31.660 So, if he was not honest and loyal with you at the start, but you know that he was honest

01:55:37.060 and loyal with five other girls, would that upset you?

01:55:40.520 Yeah, but that is not a comparison to...

01:55:43.440 Why not?

01:55:43.820 You can't compare...

01:55:44.260 Well, you just said it's most important.

01:55:45.520 One of the things that's most important for me is that she hasn't slept with a lot of people.

01:55:48.960 That's acceptable.

01:55:49.660 If that's what's most important to you, then absolutely.

01:55:52.540 Right.

01:55:53.180 I'm not denying what you're saying or that you can get upset.

01:55:56.080 That's not my argument at all.

01:55:57.780 But then, so I guess at the end of the day, we kind of do agree in a way because we're

01:56:02.580 both allowed to have our standards, but the problem is that I kind of, I get where you

01:56:07.700 guys are coming from.

01:56:08.380 Sometimes I don't really think that you girls really get where we're coming from, though.

01:56:12.140 Like, why we have those objections.

01:56:13.760 And you tend to think about it from your own prism.

01:56:15.760 Go on.

01:56:16.080 You got something?

01:56:16.780 Yes.

01:56:17.120 Okay, so I think what we're talking about is, on both sides, to even it, is that we're

01:56:23.180 talking about the past, right?

01:56:24.660 Yes.

01:56:25.040 And that we can't, we don't know what happened in someone's past unless we choose to have

01:56:32.240 a conversation with them.

01:56:33.200 If we're judging them from their past right off, that's going to be your win or loss.

01:56:37.120 And that's for you to decide if you want to have that conversation or not.

01:56:39.940 People experience life and all parts of life growing up in different ways and possibly have

01:56:51.440 trauma in different ways and things happen.

01:56:53.460 So it goes all from finding out those things, you know?

01:56:56.060 If you don't know if that person grew up in a way that that was normalized or whatever,

01:57:03.620 and they were promiscuous when they were younger.

01:57:05.340 But now they're realizing, oh, that we are more sacred, that I don't want to be giving

01:57:10.260 my body out like that.

01:57:12.300 The best relationships are being able to see that that person changed and being that it's

01:57:17.700 not, oh, you slept with all them first.

01:57:19.640 Why aren't you sleeping with me first? 0.97

01:57:20.800 It's saying, okay, I can see you're at maybe a little bit more immature state of your time

01:57:27.520 or your life.

01:57:28.200 So you're saying that everybody grows up differently.

01:57:32.140 We all have our past traumas.

01:57:33.680 And sometimes, you know, you were promiscuous in the past, but now you've changed your ways

01:57:37.560 and somebody should accept you for that.

01:57:40.820 I don't like to use the word should.

01:57:43.160 That's one of my things. 0.99

01:57:44.200 I'm trying to eliminate that shit word. 0.99

01:57:45.960 But why not? 1.00

01:57:47.780 Should.

01:57:48.300 Yeah.

01:57:48.600 It's quite a common word in the vernacular.

01:57:49.980 It is a very common word.

01:57:51.680 There's a lot of common words that we could delete from our language. 1.00

01:57:55.180 But should is a shit word. 0.99

01:57:56.640 It just makes us judge each other, put ourselves against, like, compare ourselves to each other. 0.99

01:58:04.520 And then it makes us give ourselves standards that we're not really doing.

01:58:08.620 We're saying that, oh, we should do this.

01:58:10.120 We should do this.

01:58:10.800 We should do this.

01:58:11.500 It's saying, like, you're putting yourself at failure.

01:58:13.680 I have a question.

01:58:14.660 I have a question on the should thing.

01:58:16.140 Yeah.

01:58:16.940 If you have a child, should you feed the child?

01:58:19.560 That, I mean, it is best looked upon to feed the child.

01:58:28.220 Do you, wait, do you, do you, do you.

01:58:30.060 Who's to say what one should or shouldn't do?

01:58:34.180 Hold on.

01:58:34.960 A child needs to eat.

01:58:35.680 Do you object to the following sentence?

01:58:38.800 Okay.

01:58:39.000 People should feed their children. 0.97

01:58:41.500 No, I say parents need to feed their children. 0.89

01:58:44.560 Okay.

01:58:44.820 But did you object to what he said and the way that he phrased it?

01:58:48.680 Do you also object to the word need?

01:58:50.360 No.

01:58:50.460 Because need seems much more powerful than should.

01:58:51.320 Well, I wasn't finishing my thing about it.

01:58:54.200 So with should, any time that you use should, you can mostly replace it with would or could.

01:58:58.960 And would is the actual that you're willing to do it or that you possibly could do it.

01:59:03.820 So what's your beef with should, though?

01:59:05.240 What's wrong with should?

01:59:06.920 Should's a good, what about ought?

01:59:07.460 Because now you're just using synonyms.

01:59:09.120 Do you like ought?

01:59:10.000 Ought is a good word.

01:59:10.720 I don't know what that means.

01:59:11.780 You don't know ought?

01:59:12.520 Someone ought to do something.

01:59:13.780 Ought refers to it being a natural thing.

01:59:15.580 Should I Google it?

01:59:16.260 Let me just Google the definition of ought.

01:59:17.600 You can use that in sort of more religious talk.

01:59:19.780 Ought.

01:59:20.520 So this came to me, though, when I had a boyfriend, right, that he was not getting his license.

01:59:27.140 He had his license removed and then he could get it back.

01:59:29.840 And I was just like, he should get his license.

01:59:31.240 He should get his license.

01:59:32.720 And then someone asked me, who's to say what one should or shouldn't do?

01:59:35.980 It's the whole butterfly effect.

01:59:37.100 You don't know what's going to happen.

01:59:38.220 If I pushed him and said, you should get your license.

01:59:39.900 You should get your license.

01:59:41.000 He gets his license and gets into a car accident.

01:59:42.760 And who's to say that he was supposed to get his license at that time?

01:59:46.020 Okay.

01:59:46.200 It's all in people's own time to say it.

01:59:48.640 I feel like you read this on a tarot card somewhere.

01:59:51.600 And now you don't really know why you said it.

01:59:54.360 I actually have a whole curriculum for child care based off of this.

01:59:59.360 Really?

01:59:59.720 You teach kids that they shouldn't say should?

02:00:01.860 Do you teach kids that they shouldn't say the word should?

02:00:04.120 I encourage education around the word.

02:00:07.760 Don't, but like, I think, I feel like when you say that people shouldn't say the word should,

02:00:11.680 you're saying that there are no sort of objective, there are no objective standards.

02:00:15.520 So people should do whatever they want to do all the time.

02:00:19.580 You can do whatever you want to do.

02:00:21.100 But is that your beef with should?

02:00:22.680 Because you're telling people that we shouldn't say that people should do anything?

02:00:26.280 I'm not saying you shouldn't.

02:00:27.400 So, you know what I'm saying, though?

02:00:31.660 So, ultimately, why you don't like the word should is because you don't believe that there should be objective standards.

02:00:37.180 Is that what you're saying?

02:00:40.160 I am not sure.

02:00:41.420 Because if I say that someone should feed their children, I think, I could also say that someone ought to feed their children,

02:00:46.900 because it's like, that makes sense to make it an ought claim.

02:00:49.820 But if I say somebody should feed their children, I'm saying that there's an objective standard.

02:00:53.540 Right, okay, so.

02:00:54.220 Hold on a second.

02:00:54.580 I'm just saying that there's an objective standard that we all have to abide by, that people should feed their children.

02:01:00.360 Should is a judgment that's automatically making it that they will feed their children, they can feed their children.

02:01:06.280 It doesn't matter.

02:01:07.040 My judgment has no opinion.

02:01:08.140 Do you object to judgments?

02:01:10.440 I limit judgment.

02:01:11.900 I think it's a powerful word, I would say.

02:01:14.300 Should.

02:01:15.060 Well, I mean, yeah.

02:01:16.660 I just feel like that you're saying that because you don't believe that there is anything objective.

02:01:21.140 Because then how can you eliminate the word should if you think that there are objectives?

02:01:24.480 Because then most times that you use the word should, from now forward, in your future from here, try it.

02:01:30.340 When you're about to say should, try to replace it with would or could.

02:01:33.600 No, because I actually have a will.

02:01:34.700 And that will give you more integrity to your life.

02:01:36.820 It won't make you be like, oh, I'm going to half-ass this, or I'm going to, oh, I should do that.

02:01:40.440 I think this is like a fruitless conversation.

02:01:42.040 No, but I think that, I think this, you can, it just depends on your worldview.

02:01:46.840 That's why I find it interesting, though.

02:01:47.820 Because in my worldview, I have things that I, I'd love to talk to you about this more on some other time.

02:01:52.180 I use should a lot as a positive, encouraging thing.

02:01:56.720 Like, oh, you should do this to, like, inspire somebody.

02:01:59.640 Like, but then that makes them feel like they have, they're like, oh, I have to do this.

02:02:03.720 Because it puts so much pressure and comparison on each other.

02:02:08.160 Iron sharpens iron.

02:02:09.540 Pressure is a great thing.

02:02:10.700 Well, let's, I do want to come back to kind of the, the thing that we were talking about.

02:02:14.740 Can I put my, okay, when, can I get back to that?

02:02:16.280 Is it about should?

02:02:16.980 No, I was trying to talk about the other thing.

02:02:19.420 Okay.

02:02:19.700 That was a fair statement.

02:02:20.760 Going actually back to the whole.

02:02:21.780 Nick, can you close the door?

02:02:23.580 What should women put into the relationship? 1.00

02:02:25.560 When men, what, when men put into the relationship, all these things that they're doing that we said that we wanted,

02:02:31.500 really, let's clear the elephant in the room that if men put in, women put out. 0.99

02:02:36.260 That's pretty much it is.

02:02:37.680 And yes, I totally understand what you're saying.

02:02:39.800 And that if you, if you see the woman and she's like, oh, you slept with all them. 0.97

02:02:49.100 I lost my train of thought.

02:02:54.320 I am that old.

02:02:55.820 So you're saying that, you said that if men put in, women put out.

02:03:00.980 So if men put the effort in, then women put out. 0.86

02:03:03.560 And that's why another part.

02:03:05.720 Doc Venabilli donated $200. 0.72

02:03:08.340 I'm amazed at the mental gymnastics these women perform to justify female promiscuity. 1.00

02:03:14.400 Your fathers have failed you. 0.74

02:03:16.500 I wonder what does basically India think about American loose women? 1.00

02:03:20.500 Do you agree?

02:03:21.460 I wonder what does basically India think about American loose women? 1.00

02:03:27.700 What do you think about base, about American loose women? 1.00

02:03:32.420 Say it again, please. 0.75

02:03:33.760 So he said that what he said, not what I'm saying, is that these women at the table do mental gymnastics to justify female promiscuity. 0.97

02:03:41.420 What do you think about American loose women is what he said. 1.00

02:03:44.280 Do you think that American women are loose? 1.00

02:03:46.200 Loose like what, the body?

02:03:47.440 No, as in like they don't have much standards.

02:03:50.080 I don't think so.

02:03:50.940 It's nothing like that about standards or something.

02:03:54.460 It's just what they are.

02:03:56.840 Are Indian women like more reserved? 1.00

02:04:01.180 I don't think so. 0.99

02:04:02.000 I'm here talking about sex.

02:04:03.420 I'm not sure. 0.98

02:04:03.740 No, I kind of feel like they're more orgy-ish. 1.00

02:04:06.080 They get pretty like... 0.98

02:04:07.000 Orgy?

02:04:07.780 Oh?

02:04:08.400 That came out of the left field.

02:04:09.880 I don't know.

02:04:10.080 Indian women... 1.00

02:04:10.900 I do find India like very like open and like...

02:04:12.880 Like Kama Sutra.

02:04:15.420 Indians get freaky. 1.00

02:04:16.540 Indians get pretty freaky. 1.00

02:04:18.460 With their family friends.

02:04:19.300 Yeah.

02:04:19.960 You've seen like the...

02:04:20.980 Those like gods with eight arms and stuff.

02:04:23.360 Gods of love and sexuality and stuff.

02:04:25.200 Yeah.

02:04:25.380 Who's that?

02:04:26.220 Yeah.

02:04:26.380 You know, like honoring them.

02:04:28.020 Hold on.

02:04:28.580 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

02:04:31.180 By the way, Doc, thank you, man.

02:04:32.260 Appreciate it.

02:04:32.280 The scary thing is community college Annie interacts with children in a teaching role.

02:04:37.460 I weep for our youth.

02:04:39.240 It is simple.

02:04:40.560 Men are hunters if you want them to want you be prey. 1.00

02:04:43.740 Also do not do drugs.

02:04:45.240 Don't do drugs.

02:04:47.200 Word?

02:04:47.680 I agree.

02:04:48.120 Don't do drugs.

02:04:49.260 PSA.

02:04:49.780 This is a dare program.

02:04:51.760 Do not do drugs.

02:04:52.600 Hey, Grid One Man.

02:04:53.320 Thank you.

02:04:53.740 I appreciate it.

02:04:56.580 Okay.

02:04:57.320 I do want to continue on this a little bit.

02:04:59.340 So I was going to go around the table.

02:05:01.280 We'll wait until she's back before I go around the table on the question I had.

02:05:04.000 I do think that I think there are some men that think if a woman makes him wait for sex, it's a green flag.

02:05:12.420 But actually, I think in 2023, I think it's just she's just not that into you or banging somebody else, to be honest.

02:05:19.460 If she makes you wait.

02:05:20.480 That's, I mean, that's what my thought process.

02:05:22.700 I have a couple of other analogies here I'd like to go over.

02:05:26.020 Here's some other analogies.

02:05:27.200 Perhaps we can hammer the point home.

02:05:29.480 Let's see here.

02:05:31.100 I think, did I do the McDonald's one?

02:05:33.120 I might have, wait, hold on.

02:05:34.720 Okay, here we go.

02:05:35.600 Here's one.

02:05:36.400 Okay.

02:05:38.900 Let's, do I do this one?

02:05:40.200 Hold on.

02:05:40.600 We'll do that in just a sec.

02:05:46.440 Imagine every woman, the man she's going for, has dated in the past, got tons of effort. 1.00

02:05:53.120 Trips to Hawaii, Paris, Tokyo.

02:05:55.720 Personally selected gifts based on her likes.

02:05:58.080 Excellent communication on everything she needs to know about.

02:06:01.200 And now that she gets with him, new guy, right?

02:06:05.060 He decides to be very tight with his money and effort.

02:06:07.700 No trips further than to Target in their local city.

02:06:10.600 Gifts are like maybe a $50 gift card to Sephora.

02:06:16.400 And, yeah.

02:06:19.960 Then, when she asks what's up with him doing so much less for her, he says,

02:06:24.400 it's because I knew they were just momentary fun, but I think you might be the perfect partner,

02:06:30.060 so you have to earn all the effort I normally just give out freely to the other women I've dated.

02:06:37.240 I wouldn't be with him.

02:06:38.760 I think I would want to have fun with him if he had the means to not necessarily feel like I'm earning it from someone who should unconditionally love me.

02:06:49.020 So you're saying that you wouldn't be with that guy?

02:06:52.260 Probably not.

02:06:52.980 What's keeping me there?

02:06:54.280 Maybe he's amazing inside and out, but I'd want to be on the same page with his thought process with saving money.

02:07:00.880 I think I would just tell myself he was just trying to save money, not that I would have to necessarily earn it.

02:07:05.680 So you wouldn't be with him because he's trying to save money?

02:07:07.780 No, I would.

02:07:08.900 Oh, so you would stay with him.

02:07:10.060 In that way, I would.

02:07:10.860 Yeah, I'd support that.

02:07:12.120 So you would be okay, just to like make it clear, you'd be okay with the fact that this guy has made all of this effort for girls who are just nothing to him.

02:07:23.120 But when it comes to you, like you're fine with just no effort.

02:07:28.380 I don't know a single female that I've ever met that would actually be okay with that. 0.98

02:07:30.880 Like are we dating and he was being like that?

02:07:33.020 Yeah.

02:07:33.140 I'd probably just break up with him and I'm not going to feel like, I don't know, I have enough pressures on myself like to be good.

02:07:41.460 I don't need somebody to be like, oh, I'm not going to buy you this.

02:07:43.880 Both sides of the effort to earn strength.

02:07:45.060 Sputler donated $200 to the woman with the rag on her head.

02:07:48.760 You are the biggest PSA for why genital herpes is so dangerous.

02:07:52.940 Every show he talks about herpes. 0.99

02:07:54.780 And your lady parts must be rancid at this point. 1.00

02:07:58.260 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:07:59.600 Holy fuck, Jay Butler. 1.00

02:08:00.980 Bring it in. 1.00

02:08:02.120 Oh my, okay.

02:08:03.280 All right.

02:08:03.800 Jesus Christ, Jay Butler.

02:08:05.500 Normally he's more tame.

02:08:06.700 I don't know what got into him tonight.

02:08:08.780 He's a gynecologist.

02:08:09.460 No, he's a urologist.

02:08:11.980 Thank you.

02:08:12.380 Yeah.

02:08:12.600 So he always talks about herpes and various ailments that impact, you know, these sorts of things.

02:08:18.800 Okay.

02:08:19.820 I have some more analogies here when it comes to, well, you used to have a bunch of casual sex, but now you found a guy you like.

02:08:25.980 You want to have a relationship with him.

02:08:27.720 So now you're going to make him wait.

02:08:30.060 Um, this would be the same as if a guy were to say, or this was how a guy was moving.

02:08:35.440 He used to take his dates to three star Michelin restaurants, but he doesn't do that anymore.

02:08:40.380 So you can take the bus and meet him at McDonald's.

02:08:44.400 Now there's a boss.

02:08:45.340 Or you go to McDonald's, you go to McDonald's, right?

02:08:48.760 Okay. 0.99

02:08:49.700 Um, the cashier, the cashier in front of you is like, um, shit, what is it? 0.99

02:08:56.240 The cashier, there's three people in front of you. 0.99

02:08:58.520 They all get a cheeseburger for two, three dollars, whatever.

02:09:01.300 You finally get to the cashier and they say, that'll be a thousand for you because I like you the most.

02:09:06.800 Those other customers were just a mistake or I was just having fun.

02:09:12.960 No.

02:09:13.700 Okay.

02:09:16.720 What's the question?

02:09:17.680 That doesn't make sense.

02:09:20.040 Is that not?

02:09:20.360 What's the question?

02:09:21.500 Do I get a thousand dollar burger?

02:09:24.260 I get a thousand dollar burger when everybody else got the regular price.

02:09:28.980 Wait, why would he do that?

02:09:31.260 That's a good question.

02:09:32.440 That's a good question.

02:09:33.480 Yeah.

02:09:33.660 So you're at McDonald's, right?

02:09:35.000 You're in line for a burger.

02:09:36.980 You, you, the three people in front of you, they get a burger for two bucks.

02:09:40.000 And they're just chomping down.

02:09:40.740 You get to the front of the line.

02:09:42.900 Yeah.

02:09:43.640 The cashier's like, that'll be a thousand dollars for you.

02:09:48.200 Nothing's changed, by the way.

02:09:50.260 And you get extra pickles. 0.99

02:09:52.700 Now you're getting fucked by the industry. 1.00

02:09:54.300 Well, lucky you. 1.00

02:09:56.180 And you just see those people just hoeing down on their burger like a, like a pig at the trough. 1.00

02:10:00.260 And you're just, you're just there, not knowing what to do.

02:10:03.660 Okay.

02:10:06.120 Is it because I'm black? 0.87

02:10:09.060 Are you black? 0.93

02:10:10.120 No. 0.69

02:10:10.640 Okay.

02:10:10.900 You get the gift of the chance to walk away.

02:10:14.040 How did Brace get brought into this?

02:10:17.160 No, just a comment.

02:10:19.360 No, it's more about privilege than race.

02:10:21.880 I think with all the analogies that you're making, it's pretty clear that you should feel upset.

02:10:26.780 But I think when we're talking about sex, I think it's more personal.

02:10:29.500 Like, I think at the end of the day, it's just how you feel. 0.97

02:10:31.440 If you want to, if you want to have sex with someone, you're going to have sex with them. 0.98

02:10:33.480 If you don't, you don't. 0.98

02:10:34.360 Like, food, sex, two very different things.

02:10:36.920 The analogies you're making, clearly you are 100% in the right on that. 0.90

02:10:40.600 But when it comes to sex, you have sex when you want to have sex. 0.83

02:10:43.420 Whether it's the first date, whether it's the third date, whether it's the eighth date.

02:10:45.780 Do you think that's a good way to float through life? 0.90

02:10:48.160 Is that you have sex whenever you want to have sex? 0.94

02:10:49.840 No. 0.83

02:10:50.260 I think for right now, for the age personally that I'm at, I think that's great.

02:10:53.960 But I think when I want to settle down and have a relationship.

02:10:55.700 But even for the age that you're at now, don't you think that comes to the price?

02:10:59.820 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

02:11:02.460 Imagine being such a red flag a guy pretends he has a penny left on his debit card to get out of his date with you.

02:11:09.980 Or is two hours late and brings a friend, just make sure you never call him again.

02:11:16.060 Maybe he wasn't feeling you.

02:11:18.000 You know?

02:11:19.040 Maybe.

02:11:19.660 Who knows?

02:11:20.380 I guess the waitress was in on it. 1.00

02:11:23.100 Oh. 1.00

02:11:23.920 Damn. 1.00

02:11:24.380 Okay. 0.99

02:11:25.300 Thank you, Grid One.

02:11:26.300 Appreciate it.

02:11:28.700 But again, when it comes to this, like, I, me personally.

02:11:32.460 If a girl had sex with a hundred men on the first date, and then she wanted to wait until marriage for the number 101, that's her call. 1.00

02:11:46.440 That's her choice.

02:11:48.300 However, for me personally, and what I would actually recommend to other men, that is a completely unacceptable standard for you to, that, that, let me reframe that.

02:12:00.440 That's not a woman that you'd want to pursue. 0.99

02:12:03.320 Mm-hmm.

02:12:04.480 That makes sense.

02:12:05.400 That would, yeah.

02:12:06.060 That scenario makes sense, but that's not going to be the scenario in most cases.

02:12:09.160 I think if we get down to the nucleus of the point, though, what we're saying is that we have these sorts of standards.

02:12:13.980 And you guys are basically saying, okay, you can have your standards, we don't care.

02:12:18.560 Does it make you rethink it, though, if you actually did like a guy, and if there was sort of that tension, would that make you rethink the mindset that you're in now, which is, I'm young, I'm just going to have sex with whoever I want to? 0.81

02:12:30.440 Absolutely. 0.66

02:12:31.600 Absolutely.

02:12:31.960 It makes you rethink it, as in, like, maybe I should be a little bit more sort of frugal in my younger years?

02:12:37.160 I think if I meet the right guy, I'm going to be, I'm going to settle down with him.

02:12:40.780 I like him.

02:12:41.220 Like, I don't want to be having sex with anyone else. 1.00

02:12:42.720 I want to be having sex with you. 0.99

02:12:44.380 But, like, that's not the question, though. 0.97

02:12:46.080 The question was more, like, in your, because you're, like, you're college students now, and these days with the college students, I mean, it's just free love everywhere and, you know.

02:12:55.340 And I'm somebody who's not a choir boy by any means.

02:12:58.020 Like, you know, I've done all the promiscuous stuff.

02:13:00.420 And I would say that there, even for me as a guy, there's an element of regret when you look back at your younger years and the more promiscuous days.

02:13:06.920 Do you guys ever have that sort of thought process at the moment?

02:13:10.200 Absolutely.

02:13:10.520 When you are that younger age that you're, like, at the peak of your sexual value at the moment?

02:13:14.620 And I can speak on that from an older age, for sure.

02:13:16.880 Yeah.

02:13:17.040 I mean, like, I got into my first relation, or my serious relationship when I was 18, and I lost my virginity at 19.

02:13:24.760 So I, you know, waited to have sex, I would say, maybe over the average age.

02:13:29.720 I don't know what the average age people lose their virginities to.

02:13:31.880 And that's something that I wanted to do for myself, you know.

02:13:34.700 And that's, I don't regret that, you know.

02:13:37.000 But I don't, also, would never shame anyone else or judge anyone else if they lost their virginity younger or if they engaged in sexual acts younger as well.

02:13:45.720 It depends on the person.

02:13:46.800 It depends what you value and what makes you feel good.

02:13:49.560 Would you recommend it, what you did, waiting until you're 18?

02:13:54.760 And for me, it worked really, I mean, for me, I don't know, I can't tell anyone else what to do.

02:14:01.100 I'm not saying that you're telling people else, like, other people what to do.

02:14:04.240 But I'm saying that as a society, like, we have some sort of standards.

02:14:07.580 And, you know, as a person, I've just told you that in my past, I've had, you know, quite a promiscuous past at times.

02:14:13.200 I've done all the traveling.

02:14:14.420 I know exactly what you're talking about.

02:14:15.920 And even as a guy, sometimes it comes back to me and it bites me because you meet a really moral, principled woman.

02:14:21.340 And then she probably, maybe she wouldn't be so interested in me. 0.75

02:14:24.160 So, if I could take back time, I'd probably be a little bit more frugal with it if I was your age.

02:14:29.280 Not even giving you advice.

02:14:30.440 I'm just saying that's the way I'd do it.

02:14:31.700 Can I ask a question?

02:14:32.620 Yep.

02:14:33.200 So, correct me if I'm wrong.

02:14:35.800 Men want a woman that, like, on the first date, if they do put out on the first date, in your mind, wouldn't you block them off to being eligible? 0.99

02:14:46.160 Like you were saying earlier, because I think that, that might be wrong, but I think a lot of women have that in our brains, is that they're not going to see us. 0.98

02:14:55.880 Like, so even if we were promiscuous before, if this is the person we do want to be with, then we're going to be like, oh, they're going to want me to be this way.

02:15:05.200 So, then we changed the view that way.

02:15:06.800 And then it gets so confusing.

02:15:08.320 There's so much misunderstanding and miscommunication between men and women.

02:15:11.480 I do see that.

02:15:12.300 I do see that.

02:15:12.900 So, what you're basically saying is that you're kind of in a rock and a hard place. 0.99

02:15:16.320 Yeah, I want to fuck you on the first date, but I'm pretty sure you would respect me more if I waited, so I'm going to wait. 0.98

02:15:21.220 And then they're like, well, why didn't you do it if you did it for them? 1.00

02:15:23.380 I was like, oh, well, I would have. 1.00

02:15:24.440 And then they're like, oh, so you would have been a whore? 1.00

02:15:25.920 I don't want to be with a whore. 1.00

02:15:26.900 And that's like, wait, wait, wait. 1.00

02:15:27.740 I do get what you're saying.

02:15:29.760 But at the end of the day, it comes back to the old adage that you can't have your cake and eat it.

02:15:33.440 We put ourselves in certain situations.

02:15:35.300 But you can have your past and your future, too.

02:15:37.700 Yeah.

02:15:38.080 I mean, I'm not really sure what that means.

02:15:39.560 I actually have.

02:15:41.240 It does.

02:15:42.080 I do have a response to that.

02:15:43.600 I mean, here's what I think, right?

02:15:47.240 If that guy, if you would otherwise, how do I want to frame this?

02:15:52.860 Let's say you end up waiting with a guy, right?

02:15:55.520 You end up, you force a wait for four days, right?

02:15:59.420 Four dates.

02:16:00.420 It's not clear to me, had you hooked up with him immediately, that you would have not ended up in a relationship anyways.

02:16:09.000 So I think whether you hook up with him on the first date or the third date, quite honestly, I don't think it's going to have really a major impact on whether he, because if he's interested in having sex with you,

02:16:24.380 perhaps he wants there to be continuity, and it could lead into a relationship, or it doesn't.

02:16:30.200 That's good information to have.

02:16:32.480 And I just had to remember something from before, is that when we were going around about how long you should wait, that I never got to it.

02:16:41.240 Was that, honestly, for me in situations, that there is that period of waiting to make sure that it's not just about sex,

02:16:48.060 it's not just about my body, that they actually do like you, but to be truthful and honest and radically transparent, for me anyway, I do believe that you, or not believe, but the whole waiting to marriage thing,

02:17:01.220 I think I don't understand that at all, because I do think that you, what if you don't like having sex with that person?

02:17:07.400 You just spent this whole time getting to know them, and in a relationship, and you might have love in that way,

02:17:12.780 but if you're trying to have an intimate relationship, and then you all of a sudden love each other, and try to have sex,

02:17:18.100 and then it's like, oh, I don't like having sex with you, or like, we don't connect that way, you know, that is something to get off of that.

02:17:23.200 How long have you been spiritual for?

02:17:25.200 My whole life.

02:17:26.100 I mean, in terms of like the pantheism and the astrology.

02:17:29.840 I mean, again, I mean, I feel, I'm, let's see, maybe 23, it started.

02:17:42.940 Have you ever, and I'm not even taking a piss, but have you ever tried to go to church?

02:17:47.060 Yeah.

02:17:47.600 Have you ever tried to lean into a, like, Christianity, or anything?

02:17:53.140 Yeah, I actually did not wear my rosary today, because I didn't know if I wanted to have any religious contacts on here,

02:17:59.240 but I have a place with God, for sure.

02:18:00.860 Yeah?

02:18:01.240 Yeah.

02:18:01.400 And it's the Christian God? 0.91

02:18:06.020 You said you wore a rosary.

02:18:07.620 Yeah.

02:18:10.320 I mean, I was, I was baptized, I was brought up Christian.

02:18:13.660 I think there's the hard thing.

02:18:14.880 Is there something, because I feel like you're, like, yearning and longing for some sort of spirituality,

02:18:19.380 and I think people tend to put that into these sort of more ideas of astrology and pantheism, as I said,

02:18:24.580 but do you feel like maybe that yearning could be better placed in a church and a community?

02:18:32.220 Do you know what I do in my regular life?

02:18:34.680 Well, I mean, if you believe in astrology, you don't believe in the Christian God,

02:18:38.020 and you probably don't believe in Jesus.

02:18:39.800 That's not true.

02:18:40.280 I can be an astrologer and believe in God at the same time.

02:18:42.540 Here, I do want to try to bring it back, because we have a lot to get through.

02:18:46.360 So, we were going around the table on two things.

02:18:49.640 I'll wrap up on the whole waiting for sex thing.

02:18:52.740 We were going around the table, one, on how long do you think you should wait for sex.

02:18:57.240 I don't think everybody got an opportunity to answer that.

02:18:59.320 I don't know if we left off with you, or.

02:19:03.540 I think we went around.

02:19:04.740 Did we go around?

02:19:06.380 Did we go around?

02:19:07.200 Did everyone get an opportunity to answer, how long do you think you should wait for sex?

02:19:11.860 I wanted to wait until marriage, but that didn't happen.

02:19:14.860 So, I don't know.

02:19:15.940 I just, I waited until we were official.

02:19:18.920 Okay.

02:19:19.240 If I was dating them.

02:19:19.780 Is that your current boyfriend, or like, past boyfriend?

02:19:22.380 All of them.

02:19:23.480 All of them?

02:19:24.580 Yeah.

02:19:25.360 Okay.

02:19:26.580 How long did you guys, I think we left off with you, maybe, how long do you think you 0.71

02:19:31.060 should wait for sex? 0.99

02:19:34.300 Before having sex. 0.87

02:19:35.280 Are you down first night, second night, second date, third date?

02:19:41.180 Probably being official, if it's a relationship, being official.

02:19:44.340 Unless you're traveling, and you're trying to cultivate experiences.

02:19:49.440 Yes.

02:19:50.180 Okay.

02:19:50.680 What about for you?

02:19:52.100 I don't really have like a time thing on it.

02:19:55.280 Okay.

02:19:55.720 I don't, I don't know how to get into that.

02:19:57.520 How about, how about the last guy that you were intimate with, how long did you wait with

02:20:00.940 him?

02:20:02.620 Let's see.

02:20:03.320 A few weeks, probably two weeks.

02:20:11.840 Two weeks?

02:20:12.580 Two weeks.

02:20:14.180 Okay.

02:20:15.700 I feel like for me, it would depend on if the chemistry was there, and the vibe of the night.

02:20:19.460 Like, if I want to have sex that night, and we're talking, and then we want to have sex, 0.69

02:20:22.860 then let's have sex. 0.63

02:20:23.760 But if not, it's not there, I want to keep going on more dates before, it just depends

02:20:26.780 on when I feel comfortable with it.

02:20:28.040 Can I just say something?

02:20:29.460 I think that the, sorry, just before we continue, I think that the duality of what you guys

02:20:33.820 are talking about is the problem in terms of what we're seeing.

02:20:37.000 Whereas you were kind of talking before about like turning over a new leaf.

02:20:40.160 If you turned over a new leaf, and you thought like that, you know, this is the sort of person

02:20:44.000 I am now, and you hadn't, the past hadn't been too crazy, it wouldn't be too much of a

02:20:47.500 problem. 0.66

02:20:47.880 But if you have the two thoughts simultaneously, where I could have sex on the first night,

02:20:52.200 or I could make you wait, that's where the problem is.

02:20:54.600 Because they're like, why am I in this basket?

02:20:56.360 And I'm not saying that I'd even want to be in either basket, but I think that that's

02:21:00.920 the problem, having that duality.

02:21:02.340 But if you are at a different phase of your life, and you know, if you've, if you're plugged

02:21:06.660 into a church, or something like that, and if you're actually taking it seriously, then

02:21:10.100 it can be, anyways.

02:21:11.480 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:12.160 For your analogy, I don't think I fit in with any of those two baskets.

02:21:15.500 That's what I do.

02:21:16.280 Like, I don't identify myself as I'm going to wait for this long, or I'm going to sleep

02:21:18.940 on the first night.

02:21:19.820 I just go when I want to do, yeah, I don't like, I don't put, like, I don't fit into

02:21:24.100 one basket.

02:21:24.620 But the baskets exist.

02:21:25.520 The baskets do exist.

02:21:26.880 That's the problem.

02:21:27.480 Yes, they do exist.

02:21:28.840 But for me personally, I just don't identify to either of them.

02:21:30.980 Okay.

02:21:31.580 How long do you think you should wait before having sex?

02:21:35.200 If I'm in, like, pursuing a relationship, like, around four dates or so.

02:21:39.120 Four dates, okay.

02:21:42.060 Me, personally, probably, like, a month or two.

02:21:44.520 I want to make sure that I get to know them, that there's an emotional connection, and that

02:21:48.820 I feel safe and comfortable with them.

02:21:50.280 Did you ever have a one-night stand?

02:21:52.140 No, not personally.

02:21:53.160 Okay.

02:21:53.520 What about you?

02:21:53.880 How long should you wait?

02:21:54.760 I would say I will wait a little bit, like, for months, because I can't get connected

02:21:59.620 with a person, like, emotionally in, like, one or two days or, like, in three days.

02:22:04.800 So I would prefer the time.

02:22:06.440 So a couple months?

02:22:07.220 Unless I don't feel, like, emotionally connected with that person.

02:22:11.720 So you would wait longer if you don't feel emotional connection?

02:22:15.340 Unless I don't feel like, yeah, I will wait if I don't feel like it.

02:22:17.740 Have you ever had, like, a friends with benefits?

02:22:20.960 No. 1.00

02:22:22.580 Fuck buddy? 1.00

02:22:23.800 No. 1.00

02:22:25.200 One-night stand?

02:22:26.280 No.

02:22:26.600 Okay.

02:22:27.520 Okay.

02:22:27.940 Congratulations.

02:22:29.060 So the other question is, have you ever made a guy wait, but also, have you also had

02:22:36.760 a one-night stand?

02:22:37.940 Or had sex relatively quickly?

02:22:41.900 I think you answered yes. 0.66

02:22:44.320 Kayla?

02:22:45.620 No.

02:22:46.800 Not that I can remember.

02:22:48.480 No.

02:22:49.520 What's the longest you've made a guy wait?

02:22:52.440 Here, okay, let me reframe the question.

02:22:55.380 What's the shortest you've made a guy wait?

02:22:57.420 What's the longest you've made a guy wait?

02:22:59.140 Go ahead.

02:23:03.320 Maybe the shortest was probably maybe, like, a week or so, just because I knew, like, we

02:23:10.160 were already, like, dating, and then he became my boyfriend.

02:23:13.020 And then, before that, like, maybe, like, a month, just because of distance.

02:23:19.660 Okay.

02:23:20.400 Can I ask a quick question?

02:23:22.360 Sure.

02:23:24.080 Does the situation differ for your minds if, like, we're, like, cooking up, we're kissing,

02:23:31.740 we're doing, like, things, but we're not actually having sex?

02:23:34.680 We're not doing the act of sex?

02:23:36.780 I would say it changes it a little bit.

02:23:39.420 It changes it?

02:23:39.700 Because you can maybe feel the burning desire there, and maybe it's, like, that you want

02:23:44.340 to draw out the tension a little bit.

02:23:46.340 But if you don't feel sexually attracted, as a guy, it's pretty easy to tell if a girl's

02:23:49.520 not overly sexually attracted to you, and if she's making you wait because she thinks

02:23:52.880 you're a good relationship prospect in other ways.

02:23:55.260 But if you can tell that she's really attracted, can't keep her hands off you, is kissing

02:23:58.200 you, whatever, and then you draw out the tension, that's a little bit different.

02:24:01.720 Okay.

02:24:01.960 But if you can tell that she's not attracted to you, it's pretty, you know, you can tell.

02:24:07.660 Okay.

02:24:08.020 So the question is, does it, would it make, like, would I be more accepting of the situation

02:24:14.140 if, like, she's, would I be more accepting of the situation if I knew she slept with 10

02:24:20.780 other guys immediately, but then she wants a relationship with me, but she's willing to

02:24:24.960 make out with me?

02:24:25.720 Is that the question?

02:24:26.600 No, like, more like she went out, and, like, she met a guy at a party, you know, they were,

02:24:33.140 like, I guess hooking up isn't the right word, but, like, doing everything.

02:24:36.440 And then she was, like, okay, actually, like, I'm not going to have sex with you. 0.71

02:24:39.060 But they, like, engaged in some intimacy.

02:24:40.960 Wait, with me or this hypothetical guy?

02:24:42.960 No, the hypothetical guy.

02:24:45.160 How does that change your view?

02:24:46.640 Oh, oh, oh, that, I misread the question.

02:24:49.460 Yeah.

02:24:49.780 Yeah.

02:24:50.080 I thought you meant if you were on a date with a person and then they'd done that in

02:24:52.840 the past and then, yeah, okay.

02:24:54.660 So, reframe it one more time.

02:24:59.840 Like, let's say a girl, you're getting into a relationship with a girl and she gets, she

02:25:03.740 says, hey, by the way, you know, this is my body count or whatever, but, like, these men

02:25:10.380 in the past, like, I would go out, you know, I'd go to parties, like, you know, we'd do

02:25:14.160 some stuff, I'd sleep over, but I, like, when the act of sex came, like, I'd be like, no.

02:25:19.100 Okay, so she's saying that this is my body count and these are all the guys who nearly

02:25:22.600 got there.

02:25:23.000 Yes.

02:25:24.040 That's probably a bigger red flag than the stuff before.

02:25:28.360 Why?

02:25:29.640 Well, because when you're going to parties and you're sort of, like, doing everything, you

02:25:33.520 just don't know the extent to it.

02:25:35.420 Yeah.

02:25:35.780 That, to me, that sort of draws out a periphery that will make my, that will make me ask a lot

02:25:40.680 of questions.

02:25:41.480 Okay.

02:25:41.960 So.

02:25:43.100 So, it's like, would you say it's, like, a bigger, like, you would judge a girl more if

02:25:48.520 she's going out partying, like, having sex, having, like, full sex, like, one-night stands

02:25:53.780 versus, like, she's going out, she's with a friend, she meets a guy, whatever, it's, like,

02:25:58.080 chill, they're about to have a one-night stand, and then she's, like, actually, no, like, sex 0.99

02:26:01.700 is really meaningful for me. 0.98

02:26:02.660 Like, I'm not going to fully have sex with you.

02:26:05.620 Or is it, like, the same thing? 0.95

02:26:06.860 I don't know.

02:26:07.320 Party girls are party girls, to be honest. 1.00

02:26:09.520 It's kind of, kind of the same thing, to be fair, because he probably sucked his dick 1.00

02:26:13.920 and stuff. 1.00

02:26:14.600 So, I mean, yeah, because that happens a lot.

02:26:17.820 They say, oh, I'm not going to have sex, but, you know.

02:26:20.640 No, I'm genuinely curious. 0.95

02:26:22.380 Still the next man's willy.

02:26:24.880 Continuing around the table, what's the shortest amount of time you've made somebody wait?

02:26:28.340 What's the longest amount of time you've made somebody wait?

02:26:31.200 I've had a one-night stand before.

02:26:33.180 So, I'd say within the night was probably the shortest, and then the longest was probably

02:26:37.540 a couple weeks.

02:26:38.580 Okay.

02:26:39.300 What about you?

02:26:40.460 I've also had a one-night stand, and I think that the longest was around six months.

02:26:44.780 Okay.

02:26:46.700 I haven't had a one-night stand, so I don't have, like, a lowest, but three months, because

02:26:52.280 I've only been with my husband, so.

02:26:54.080 Oh, okay.

02:26:55.080 What about you?

02:26:55.880 And the shortest, I would say one month with my ex.

02:26:59.180 Yeah.

02:26:59.380 And the longest, you know, it'll sound funny to you, but, like, yeah, my longest relationship,

02:27:03.600 I didn't have sex with that guy. 0.87

02:27:05.240 It's not, like, my purpose or something.

02:27:07.500 Yeah, that's funny for you.

02:27:08.820 Were you waiting until marriage, or?

02:27:11.720 Maybe, but it didn't work out.

02:27:13.400 How long were you with him for?

02:27:14.560 Two years.

02:27:16.640 And you weren't waiting until marriage?

02:27:18.220 Yeah, I was not in the U.S., like.

02:27:20.240 What was the reason?

02:27:21.280 You've got to give a man a reason. 0.92

02:27:22.700 Like, it's not, it's from the both sides.

02:27:24.680 It's not just me, I'm not.

02:27:26.620 Was he asexual? 0.86

02:27:27.660 What, he didn't want to have sex? 0.95

02:27:29.440 He never said it. 0.99

02:27:31.000 He was gay? 0.62

02:27:32.040 No, he was not.

02:27:34.420 Okay.

02:27:35.000 Okay, last, last question on this, guys.

02:27:37.520 Oh, we need to come, we need to come back to you.

02:27:39.580 It's going to be like, pop, pop.

02:27:40.300 I didn't sneak out.

02:27:41.120 What's the shortest amount of time you've waited, and what's the longest amount of time you've waited?

02:27:48.180 I don't know the answer to the longest time.

02:27:50.820 I don't know the answer to that one.

02:27:56.860 And, I mean, I've had hookups on the first night, so.

02:28:00.560 Okay.

02:28:02.520 You maybe arranged, like, three weeks, four weeks?

02:28:07.640 No, I've never, like, planned out, like, oh, we're going to wait this amount of time.

02:28:12.680 So, I've had friends that I'm, like, really close with, like, that we're, like, really close friends, and, like, we're never, like, oh, we're going to be like that, we're going to sleep with each other.

02:28:24.220 And, like, eventually it happens, because, you know.

02:28:27.720 Well, what about, I mean, the friends thing is a bit complicated, because there's, like, a pre-existing acquaintance or relationship there.

02:28:38.760 So, I mean, if I can narrow it down for you to make the question easier to answer, what about if people, like, immediately the context of the relationship was romantic?

02:28:52.460 Maybe you met on the dating app?

02:28:53.680 Like, in relationships, I think the longest I've waited is my most recent one, with that two weeks, because that's.

02:29:00.100 Two weeks, okay.

02:29:00.740 I've been the most.

02:29:01.740 Okay.

02:29:02.680 Growth from.

02:29:03.280 Here's another question related to this.

02:29:05.320 So, going around the table, starting with you.

02:29:08.140 Have you ever been, had, like, a friends with benefits, or there's, like, a casual thing?

02:29:15.260 Because some people, like, if you're not in an official, committed, it's been overtly communicated relationship.

02:29:23.680 Or there's room for you to be dating more than one person, potentially sleeping with more than one person.

02:29:29.460 Or at least maybe there's one guy you're hooking up with.

02:29:31.800 He's just a friends with benefits. 1.00

02:29:33.480 He's a, you know, fuck buddy, whatever it is. 0.99

02:29:35.960 But you're dating other people at the same time. 1.00

02:29:38.240 You might just be sleeping with that one guy, but you're dating other guys.

02:29:41.320 So, my question is, have you ever been sleeping with a guy, and then also, like, going out on dates with other people, or sleeping with a guy or a girl, while also pursuing other potential partners?

02:29:55.700 Not necessarily sleeping with them.

02:29:57.380 But there's one solid person you're hooking up with, sleeping with, whatever.

02:30:02.540 It's clearly not monogamous.

02:30:04.200 And dating other people.

02:30:08.880 Starting with you, go ahead.

02:30:10.280 Yes.

02:30:10.960 Okay.

02:30:11.220 He was a foreign exchange student, so that's why we never, like, made it official.

02:30:15.560 He was from Norway.

02:30:17.160 Mm-hmm.

02:30:17.680 And when I...

02:30:19.280 She likes the Scandinavians.

02:30:20.900 That'd be a lot.

02:30:21.900 Awesome.

02:30:22.820 Shout out Norway.

02:30:25.140 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:25.800 So, I guess we were fuck buddies. 1.00

02:30:27.360 Could be grain land. 1.00

02:30:28.120 Could be worse.

02:30:29.140 Yeah.

02:30:30.260 Keep going.

02:30:30.880 Never mind.

02:30:31.780 It's all good.

02:30:32.800 Go ahead.

02:30:33.140 Any other scenarios like that?

02:30:37.000 The other Norwegian. 0.93

02:30:39.220 Kind of at the same time.

02:30:42.180 You were seeing them both at the same time?

02:30:44.140 Yeah, kind of.

02:30:44.720 The two Norwegians.

02:30:45.860 Yeah, it was kind of like a triangle.

02:30:47.860 Like, obviously, the other Norwegian was seeing another girl.

02:30:52.640 Okay.

02:30:53.160 So, you were sleeping with Sven, and then Franz was just...

02:30:57.240 He wasn't getting any of it?

02:30:59.720 Were there other guys also?

02:31:01.520 So, that you were current...

02:31:05.380 No, I mean, I was friends with guys, but not sleeping around.

02:31:08.280 But at the...

02:31:09.040 So, at the same time, you were sleeping with two Norwegian guys?

02:31:14.440 Yeah, I think they were a little bit separated.

02:31:16.260 Overlap.

02:31:16.760 Like, it was one for a while, and then maybe one time it overlapped.

02:31:20.860 One overlap.

02:31:21.700 Yeah.

02:31:22.040 Okay.

02:31:24.100 So, but...

02:31:24.840 And were you also dating other guys, too?

02:31:26.860 Like, going out on dates, but, you know, maybe they didn't go all the way.

02:31:30.200 No, but I was talking to my ex-boyfriend who we were trying to work it out.

02:31:35.940 We were long distance.

02:31:37.600 Okay.

02:31:37.820 So, we were trying to, like, fix it, mend our relationship.

02:31:41.520 Kind of, we're still together.

02:31:43.400 But at the same time, I was with these Norwegian guys.

02:31:45.920 So, you were with your ex-boyfriend, or, like, technically with him and getting the double

02:31:50.220 Norwegian sent on.

02:31:53.180 Hey.

02:31:53.860 That's my ho-face for you. 1.00

02:31:55.420 Okay.

02:31:55.920 Oh, ho-face. 0.89

02:31:56.540 We could talk about ho-faces. 1.00

02:31:57.900 Okay.

02:31:58.320 Ho-face. 1.00

02:31:58.860 Let's write that down.

02:32:00.700 So, okay.

02:32:01.340 You were sleeping with two guys, and then also talking to your ex-boyfriend.

02:32:07.140 Yeah.

02:32:07.680 Okay.

02:32:09.080 All right.

02:32:09.640 You know, it happens.

02:32:12.320 Temptation.

02:32:12.880 When in Norway.

02:32:15.840 What about you?

02:32:18.140 No.

02:32:19.220 Okay.

02:32:21.560 What about you?

02:32:22.220 I mean, yes, I'm into open relationships, polyamory, so, yeah.

02:32:26.000 Okay.

02:32:26.560 Okay.

02:32:28.040 Oh, question for you.

02:32:32.200 Since you're into open relationships, polyamory, at any given time, not currently, because it

02:32:38.020 sounded like you're just seeing one guy right now, allegedly, what is the most amount of

02:32:44.020 guys that you've seen at any one given time?

02:32:47.900 Three.

02:32:48.800 Three.

02:32:49.360 So, you're sleeping with three guys at the same time?

02:32:52.000 Not, like, all in the one time.

02:32:53.620 Well, not, like, an orgy or anything like that, but, like, three, one was Monday, one

02:32:58.440 was Wednesday, one was Friday.

02:33:00.360 Okay.

02:33:00.960 Can I follow up on that?

02:33:02.420 While you've been doing this, polyamory, is it?

02:33:08.280 That would be non-monogamy at that stage.

02:33:10.640 Right.

02:33:10.900 While you've been doing the non-monogamy, has there been one particular guy who you've

02:33:14.700 had, like, special feelings for?

02:33:17.020 Has that happened?

02:33:17.820 Someone who you're particularly drawn to?

02:33:19.140 So, in the realm of open relationships, and not just open relationships so that you can

02:33:26.520 sleep with everybody, is my view on love and relationships is that loving one person is

02:33:33.120 very limited, and I have relationships with lots of people, so I do consider myself, like

02:33:38.400 I said, this person that's across these, like, I definitely consider them, like, my lover,

02:33:42.120 they have a really special place in my heart, but I also have other very close friends.

02:33:47.860 I know that, but I'm saying, is there one that you have, who comes to mind when I think

02:33:52.760 about someone who you have special feelings for?

02:33:54.840 Yes.

02:33:55.440 He does?

02:33:56.620 Yeah.

02:33:57.020 That guy I've ever seen?

02:33:59.000 I accidentally pressed them.

02:34:01.020 In the past, they're like, I mean, I have special feelings for all of them, and it's

02:34:07.900 all different things.

02:34:08.280 But if you had to say, is there one who's particularly special?

02:34:11.460 At this moment, yes.

02:34:12.600 Why is he not enough?

02:34:14.460 I didn't say he wasn't enough.

02:34:15.720 That's not, like, enough.

02:34:17.560 But if you need others.

02:34:19.240 Because you can't expect one person to be everything for you.

02:34:22.060 That's not fair.

02:34:22.740 But don't you think that a part of the idea of having a relationship and one day having

02:34:27.200 a family is making the sacrifice?

02:34:28.920 No, I don't.

02:34:29.280 That one person is enough, and you sort of, you battle through any differences that you

02:34:35.640 have, or any sort of shortcomings?

02:34:37.460 I do not have the old traditional relationship beliefs, no.

02:34:42.900 Do you want to, you said you wanted to have children before.

02:34:45.600 I would like to, like, continue my genetics.

02:34:50.020 I would like to have an offspring to, like, care for.

02:34:52.460 I am, like, I work in childcare, so I'd love to have something to care of my own.

02:34:55.920 So would it be, like, you freeze the baby, that type thing, or what are we talking?

02:35:02.160 Well, if you really, really want to know something weird, I've always, like, fantasized that

02:35:06.080 I want, which, obviously, I can't, because, you know.

02:35:08.500 But, like, Mary got impregnated.

02:35:11.600 Like, you're talking about going to church.

02:35:13.080 Like, I would have thought for a long time I would have just, like, wanted to, like,

02:35:16.480 not have sex for a long time and then just somehow become pregnant.

02:35:19.500 So it's like an immaculate conception.

02:35:21.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:35:21.860 Interesting, so that's your dream is immaculate conception.

02:35:25.640 I want to have a baby that, like, is my baby.

02:35:27.620 Do you think a guy like God would, like, really be sort of into a girl who's not a virgin?

02:35:33.760 Huh?

02:35:35.500 Yeah.

02:35:36.020 Because Mary.

02:35:37.380 Right.

02:35:37.960 Mary was a principled woman. 0.63

02:35:39.380 Right.

02:35:40.060 Yeah.

02:35:40.720 That's what I said.

02:35:42.060 Might probably won't happen, but something like that.

02:35:45.900 Yeah.

02:35:46.100 I guess the point I was saying, it was, like, if you do want to have children, though, don't

02:35:49.220 you worry.

02:35:49.560 And God doesn't pick the shiny penny, by the way.

02:35:52.100 Yeah.

02:35:52.440 That was beautiful.

02:35:52.900 Don't you worry, though, that if you're going to have children, in, like, them seeing that

02:35:58.520 sort of lifestyle?

02:35:59.460 Or is it something that you'd want to, like, tamper down once you do have children?

02:36:04.000 Because if you've got a baby daddy.

02:36:05.660 That's why I'm not having kids right now.

02:36:07.020 I'm not in that stage.

02:36:08.880 If we get out of right now for a second and we think about the future and the implications

02:36:12.800 of what we're doing right now in the future, when you think about having children and when

02:36:17.340 you think about the idea of carrying someone's child and then you guys having that child together,

02:36:22.540 being in the labour room, you're ride or die with each other, do you think you'd want

02:36:25.840 to bring someone else into the relationship after that?

02:36:27.760 I don't know.

02:36:30.260 I'm not there.

02:36:31.860 I don't know.

02:36:32.340 I don't know.

02:36:32.940 Isn't that something you think about, though?

02:36:34.260 Isn't that something that you sort of maybe try and forecast?

02:36:36.020 I don't think about so many things that my brain goes, so I'll keep thinking about it.

02:36:40.080 Here, let's continue with the question at hand.

02:36:42.360 So, I believe we left off, was it, what's the longest?

02:36:47.900 I think we did longest, shortest.

02:36:50.280 Have you ever dated, have you ever been hooking up with a guy, casual with a guy, while also

02:36:57.620 dating other guys?

02:36:58.820 I have not.

02:37:00.420 No.

02:37:01.880 I have not either.

02:37:03.080 Okay.

02:37:03.300 No.

02:37:06.380 Okay.

02:37:08.360 Okay.

02:37:09.020 All right.

02:37:09.320 What about you guys?

02:37:11.040 What's your whole phase?

02:37:12.660 Yeah, I went through a whole phase myself.

02:37:15.180 Into your honesty?

02:37:16.720 Yeah.

02:37:17.420 Teenage years and then into your early 20s.

02:37:19.760 I guess, like I said before, we live in a world, and especially in the Western world,

02:37:23.300 where we have absolutely no limitations to it.

02:37:26.080 When you're a young guy, you're thinking about sleeping with as many girls as you possibly

02:37:29.160 can. 0.97

02:37:29.780 And when you're a young lady, you're thinking, I'm empowered, I'm having sex with a lot of 0.98

02:37:32.560 these guys, and everyone around me is telling me that it's great. 0.94

02:37:35.920 So, anyways, Brian, wants to move on.

02:37:37.980 Yes.

02:37:38.620 No, it's all good.

02:37:39.440 It's all good.

02:37:40.100 Deep sighs.

02:37:43.560 So, really quick on the ho phase. 0.94

02:37:47.040 Anybody here had a ho phase? 0.97

02:37:48.280 Just a show of hands.

02:37:49.420 Jake had one.

02:37:50.280 She had one.

02:37:51.500 You had any ho? 1.00

02:37:52.040 That's when you're a ho for a while. 0.99

02:37:54.260 You know?

02:37:54.620 When you sleep with a lot of people over a space of time.

02:37:58.600 Okay, like, up to a salon.

02:38:00.740 Well, I don't think a ho phase necessarily means that you're sleeping around with a ton 1.00

02:38:03.660 of people.

02:38:04.560 What do you think a ho phase means? 0.96

02:38:06.260 I think just being a little bit less careless than you would be in a relationship.

02:38:10.260 Not, like, my ho phase. 0.85

02:38:11.260 I wasn't, like, sleeping with these people.

02:38:12.860 It was just, I think my ho phase, I was really young. 0.94

02:38:17.620 And, like, you learn from those experiences.

02:38:19.140 I was seeing a lot of, like, older guys and, like, going on dates and just doing really

02:38:23.660 irresponsible things.

02:38:25.080 It was kind of my rebellious phase mixed with.

02:38:26.860 Kind of things that you, like, you wouldn't really want to sort of necessarily share the

02:38:30.740 details about with your future partner.

02:38:32.800 Well, my current partner knows absolutely everything.

02:38:35.680 Details.

02:38:37.160 They are things that, like, I'm happy that I got through because I think the majority of

02:38:42.080 people need to learn those things in their lives.

02:38:43.620 I think there are levels to ho phase, but I would say that generally when we speak about

02:38:47.940 a ho phase, we speak about a few years, like a space of time, where you're sleeping with 0.95

02:38:52.500 different guys.

02:38:53.300 And it's the kind of thing where you're, like, sleeping with guys that kind of no one knows

02:38:56.460 about.

02:38:56.920 You're on dating apps and you're just, you know.

02:38:58.740 I guess I haven't had a ho phase then. 0.98

02:39:00.420 Not in that term.

02:39:01.740 Kayla, you said you had a ho phase. 0.98

02:39:03.380 Can you tell us about the ho phase? 0.95

02:39:04.820 What does a ho phase look like? 0.97

02:39:06.240 Um, I feel like it was a little bit dishonest and that kind of made it a ho phase for me. 0.70

02:39:15.560 Dishonest how?

02:39:16.040 Just kind of exploring my taste.

02:39:20.460 In Scandinavian men? 0.82

02:39:22.720 Yes.

02:39:23.700 But, okay, so, I mean, was it, when you say ho phase, was it just those two dudes?

02:39:27.540 Was it, was there more?

02:39:28.980 Yeah, one was more preferred.

02:39:30.640 No, but there was more to the ho phase than just the two's.

02:39:32.800 Well, yeah, I mean, I was the new girl and I was a junior in high school and, I mean,

02:39:38.460 a lot of guys hit on me.

02:39:41.700 Okay.

02:39:42.280 Did they know each other?

02:39:44.120 Yeah, they did.

02:39:44.900 We went to rival schools, though.

02:39:46.740 So, one was with me at my school and the other one was at the rival school.

02:39:50.300 Did you, did they know that what was happening?

02:39:53.160 Did they know that there was that competition happening?

02:39:54.660 I found out because the one at my school was like, I was in love with him and then I met

02:40:01.920 the other one through him and the other one, I don't remember what happened, but something

02:40:08.200 like led us to kind of like stop for a while.

02:40:10.860 I think we got into an argument and so that's when I was hanging out with the other one more,

02:40:15.820 but we would all hang out.

02:40:17.020 Wait, you would, the multiple people you were sleeping with, you would hang out in a group?

02:40:24.580 Oh, yeah.

02:40:25.500 And so you had a fight with one of them?

02:40:27.800 They were the two Norwegians in our entire city and the same age and same district and stuff.

02:40:34.660 So, we hung out in groups, not just us three.

02:40:36.980 What was the age of your ho phase? 0.97

02:40:39.420 Because you're 24, is it?

02:40:41.500 I'm 24.

02:40:42.280 24, yeah.

02:40:42.840 This was junior slash senior year.

02:40:48.060 Wait, remind me, you had a four-year relationship, correct?

02:40:50.340 Yes.

02:40:50.880 When was that?

02:40:51.760 That was the beginning or the end of middle school.

02:40:58.060 So, eighth grade.

02:41:00.060 It was like a high school relationship.

02:41:01.460 Yeah, high school relationship and I met these guys.

02:41:04.360 So, your ho phase was from when to when? 0.99

02:41:08.300 In between that relationship with my long-distance boyfriend.

02:41:11.080 So, I moved from Texas to Missouri and I had dated the other guy for two years and then

02:41:16.580 when I went to this new school, I was meeting all these new people but the other guy was

02:41:20.160 doing the same.

02:41:21.060 Like, I found out he was like sleeping with some of my friends and going off and so I

02:41:26.280 just kind of retaliated in private with two Norwegians who I cannot regret. 1.00

02:41:32.520 At the same time?

02:41:35.920 No.

02:41:36.280 Was it a threesome?

02:41:37.420 No.

02:41:37.720 A threesome.

02:41:38.280 Okay.

02:41:39.040 So, when the ho phase was from when to when? 0.90

02:41:42.500 17 to 19?

02:41:44.180 What are we talking here?

02:41:45.000 Yeah.

02:41:45.360 So, I guess in college, once I got to college, I had a boyfriend again for four years and

02:41:51.000 that's when the ho phase went away.

02:41:53.540 So, from 17 to 19?

02:41:56.300 18, 19.

02:41:57.560 Yeah.

02:41:57.960 Okay.

02:41:58.520 Alright.

02:41:59.800 What's the what was the extent of the ho phase?

02:42:02.620 Hmm.

02:42:03.400 Like, how many how big was the roster?

02:42:07.540 Jeez.

02:42:08.260 Did I ask what's the most amount of people that you were sleeping with at one time?

02:42:11.780 One time.

02:42:13.220 So, I dated dated for like a few months during when I met those two Norwegians.

02:42:21.100 Sure.

02:42:22.120 Or actually before, it was the quarterback.

02:42:26.640 So, I mean, it was another one.

02:42:29.980 So, that's maybe maybe four.

02:42:31.300 I'm going to guess four or five.

02:42:32.880 At the same time?

02:42:34.040 Not at the same time.

02:42:35.460 Like, I definitely like stayed put with like a few for a while.

02:42:40.260 So, maybe like, wait.

02:42:41.820 So, the ho phase was five guys?

02:42:45.940 Speaking to the mic.

02:42:46.740 Um, that's, yeah, I'm just guessing and that's like the max for sure.

02:42:52.260 So, I had my ex in Texas and then the two Norwegians and then I dated a guy for like a couple weeks.

02:42:59.660 So, I would be four in the age of 17.

02:43:04.620 Okay.

02:43:05.120 And then, so at the same time though, you said three?

02:43:09.920 Three.

02:43:10.420 Okay.

02:43:11.280 Three times I slept with somebody in high school.

02:43:13.980 No, I mean like at the same time.

02:43:17.140 Oh, at the same time?

02:43:17.880 Yeah.

02:43:18.020 You're like talking like threesomes?

02:43:19.880 No, no, no.

02:43:20.460 I mean like.

02:43:21.180 I'm so confused.

02:43:23.580 Roberto on Monday.

02:43:25.980 Eduardo on Wednesday.

02:43:27.860 I don't know why they have Latin names.

02:43:30.060 Yeah.

02:43:30.800 On Friday, there was Bartholomew.

02:43:34.020 Okay.

02:43:35.200 And then they would circulate, you know.

02:43:37.400 Mmm.

02:43:38.760 Bart was definitely your Friday guy.

02:43:40.820 No, it really wasn't like that.

02:43:41.960 Those other guys, they get the weekdays, but Bart, he got the Friday.

02:43:45.080 He got weekends.

02:43:47.360 Yeah, no, it wasn't intertwined like that.

02:43:50.360 Not really.

02:43:51.560 No.

02:43:52.880 But you said the two Norwegians were at the same time.

02:43:55.980 Yeah.

02:43:56.600 I'm a little bit, sort of.

02:43:58.600 So, like I stuck with the Norwegian at my school.

02:44:00.380 Okay, all right.

02:44:00.780 And then it was the other guy like once or twice.

02:44:03.060 Sure.

02:44:03.440 We're going to pull something up.

02:44:04.520 I'm going to do a couple chats here.

02:44:05.680 We have Davey.

02:44:07.080 Oh.

02:44:08.300 Davey Pchill donated $100.

02:44:11.260 I wish one time a girl or an entire table will just admit that their entire life and dynamic

02:44:16.820 is far superior to ours and admit it.

02:44:19.860 Can't even compromise on who's deserving of dignity.

02:44:23.540 Looks go first.

02:44:26.180 Yo, Davey.

02:44:26.860 Be chill, bro. 1.00

02:44:27.600 What the fuck? 1.00

02:44:29.080 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:29.620 Appreciate it, man.

02:44:30.340 Their entire life and dynamic is far superior to ours.

02:44:35.180 Davey, what do you mean by this?

02:44:36.840 How are women's entire lives and dynamics far superior to ours? 1.00

02:44:42.220 Because we need a little bit of clarification there.

02:44:47.280 Do you mean like just women have dating on easy mode? 0.97

02:44:50.540 Is that what you're talking about?

02:44:51.940 If you can clarify.

02:44:53.100 By the way, just a point of I have lowered, and I think I've changed this everywhere.

02:44:57.280 I've lowered the read and TTS triggers.

02:45:00.060 Read is now 50 and up.

02:45:02.980 TTS is now 99, like 100 and up.

02:45:06.820 So if you guys want to get any TTSs or whatnot in, feel free.

02:45:12.440 Thank you, guys.

02:45:12.900 Appreciate it.

02:45:13.560 We have Ryan Holt here.

02:45:16.040 Hey, everyone.

02:45:16.840 I'm a new member but long-time fan.

02:45:18.340 Very happy to join.

02:45:19.240 Can't wait to get involved.

02:45:20.400 Hey, Ryan.

02:45:20.860 Thank you so much for your patronage, man.

02:45:22.520 Really appreciate it. 0.99

02:45:23.400 You're a fucking legend. 0.99

02:45:24.260 Thank you for the super chat, man. 1.00

02:45:26.020 Appreciate it.

02:45:26.600 And if you want, if you sent this in a while ago, if you do it through Streamlabs, we have a TTS feature.

02:45:32.660 So welcome.

02:45:33.420 Appreciate it, man.

02:45:35.040 And then I think that's it on the chats.

02:45:37.840 We do have the thing we need to react to, Nick.

02:45:39.580 It's related to our waiting thing.

02:45:42.140 So a woman posted on Reddit this, and it got quite a bit of attention.

02:45:48.880 Yo, AB Check.

02:45:51.340 Thank you very much for the Gifted 20 memberships.

02:45:53.440 Good to see you in the chat, man.

02:45:54.380 Thank you, man.

02:45:54.880 Really appreciate your support and patronage.

02:45:56.840 I hope you guys enjoy those memberships.

02:45:59.240 Thank you, man.

02:45:59.860 Appreciate it.

02:46:01.000 All right.

02:46:01.620 So this is on Reddit.

02:46:04.120 Kayla, I want you to read this for us because you have a good speaking diction.

02:46:07.740 Read the title and then just read what it says.

02:46:10.080 Go ahead.

02:46:10.340 I'm unsure if I should tell my boyfriend this information.

02:46:13.040 I've recently gone official with a man I've been dating for a couple of months.

02:46:16.940 He's kind, respectful, and considerate.

02:46:19.900 He really, I really think he could be the one.

02:46:23.760 Popcorn.

02:46:25.040 Let me read the rest.

02:46:25.980 But something is eating at me.

02:46:29.880 Should I keep reading?

02:46:31.880 Yeah.

02:46:32.400 Sure.

02:46:32.860 I wanted to build slowly with this man so he didn't become intimate until after going exclusive.

02:46:38.220 But between the first date and that point, I did see an old Friends with Benefits a couple of times.

02:46:43.460 Back then, I didn't think anything of it as I wasn't exclusive.

02:46:47.220 But I underestimated how much I would care for my boyfriend, and I feel almost like I've cheated on him.

02:46:51.900 Have I done something wrong?

02:46:52.840 Do I need to tell him?

02:46:53.740 Will he end things with me?

02:46:57.300 And then update.

02:46:59.160 Kayla, go ahead.

02:47:00.220 There was mixed reactions here, but my gut told me I should tell my boyfriend.

02:47:04.360 He said, sorry.

02:47:05.340 I don't want to be in a relationship with someone who does that.

02:47:08.020 Then he blocked me on everything.

02:47:11.920 Okay.

02:47:12.560 So she was, can you pull it up back for just a second here?

02:47:15.700 So she went official with a guy she'd been dating for a couple months, kind, respectful, considerate.

02:47:22.720 She thinks he could be the one.

02:47:25.120 But while she was building slowly with this man, and she didn't want to be intimate until after going exclusive,

02:47:32.500 during that entire period, she was also having sex with a Friends with Benefits.

02:47:37.800 Now, mind you, technically, they were not official.

02:47:40.640 However, during that initial period, while she was making him wait, she was having sex with another guy.

02:47:49.020 He ultimately ended up breaking up with her, as you guys read.

02:47:53.640 What are your thoughts on that?

02:47:54.840 Do you think fair game for the guy to have taken issue with that?

02:47:58.420 And even though she was technically, you know, they technically weren't official.

02:48:02.080 If I was the guy, I'd be hurt.

02:48:05.220 I'd 100% be hurt.

02:48:06.820 Like, that's so valid.

02:48:08.060 I think in the dating stages, like, especially if you're just starting to get to know a person.

02:48:17.380 You guys don't know if you're going to pursue a long-term relationship yet.

02:48:21.060 You're getting to know a person.

02:48:22.140 Like, who's to say that you can't go and also date other people?

02:48:25.700 Isn't that healthy?

02:48:26.600 Isn't that about figuring out what you want and what type of person you want?

02:48:30.640 Doesn't mean it's valid for him to feel upset.

02:48:32.980 Well, I mean, so my personal standard on this is if I go on the first date with a girl and I'm interested in pursuing her, all the other guys have to be a rap.

02:48:47.380 If you want to go on a second date with me, you're not going on dates with other dudes.

02:48:51.680 You're certainly not sleeping with other dudes.

02:48:53.600 And quite frankly, if I'm going on a first date with you, and I mean, I'd hope a woman would be forthcoming with this. 0.98

02:48:59.860 If I know that you're fucking another dude and you're going on a date with me, I'm not interested in you. 0.99

02:49:04.980 Goodbye. 0.99

02:49:06.220 So my standard is if you want to go on a second date with me, the other dude, preferably there's no other dudes to begin with, but the other dudes have to be a rap.

02:49:14.900 And did you communicate that boundary?

02:49:16.500 I was going to say, that should definitely be a second date conversation.

02:49:19.580 If there were to be a second date or even like after the first date, be like, I like you so much.

02:49:23.680 I want to be exclusive with you.

02:49:25.540 And just make sure you're both on the same page because what if someone's polyamorous or what if someone's just, you know, wanting to have the experience of dates and you need to know.

02:49:36.440 Sure.

02:49:36.860 Yeah, I don't necessarily think that labels or like a conversation of exclusivity like should change the way that you act.

02:49:47.600 So like personally, if I like someone and we're going on dates or we're talking, if I like them, I'm not going to be with other people.

02:49:55.280 And I expect the same from them regardless of a conversation.

02:49:59.320 If we're exclusive or if we're boyfriend and girlfriend, I don't think that label changes anything.

02:50:03.980 If you wanted to sleep with someone else up until that exact moment that you decide that you're not okay with it.

02:50:10.580 I don't think that that is a reflection of how ready you are to be in that relationship.

02:50:14.760 Okay.

02:50:15.780 But do you guys think it sounded like, yes, you said he was justified for breaking up with her.

02:50:21.420 Anybody else?

02:50:22.580 I think it's so fair.

02:50:23.860 Fair?

02:50:24.640 Okay.

02:50:24.880 Yeah.

02:50:26.940 Go ahead.

02:50:27.860 Sure.

02:50:28.260 Oh, do you have one?

02:50:29.100 Yeah, I think it's fair because they, can you hear me now?

02:50:33.600 Go ahead.

02:50:34.140 Go ahead.

02:50:34.340 So it's a fair because I believe they are dating kind of, they didn't make it official, but they are dating.

02:50:40.580 Like we should close the doors.

02:50:42.160 And also she did the right thing by telling the truth.

02:50:45.880 That's the one I see the first step.

02:50:48.240 And if you didn't like it, obviously no one going to like it.

02:50:51.880 And also eventually just imagine if you're going to know later after like dating for a year or after getting married,

02:50:58.360 they know like something happened in the, I think it's better.

02:51:02.400 But here's the crux of it, right?

02:51:04.340 So she was making him wait to have sex all the while she had a different standard and she was having sex with a friends with benefits who I assume there, 1.00

02:51:19.040 well, of course there was no commitment there.

02:51:20.600 That's why I said it's a fair game.

02:51:21.780 He denied to be with her.

02:51:23.220 No, but I'm not, I'm not countering your point, but this gets back to kind of our initial debate here over this whole, 0.89

02:51:29.200 well, you have one standard for these guys while you're traveling, for example, where I'll have sex with him immediately. 0.98

02:51:36.420 And then, oh, the guy that you want for a relationship, I'm going to wait to have sex with him. 0.99

02:51:42.540 But also I'm not having sex with other people. 0.99

02:51:46.660 But it's like, you just feel like you're the beta male in that situation.

02:51:49.680 I think it's either Rich Cooper or Rolo Tomasi has a saying that's alpha, seed, beta, need,

02:51:56.080 which means the alpha gives the seed and the beta gives the need.

02:51:59.280 So if you're the guy who she's...

02:52:00.480 By the way, I'm not a huge fan of like the alpha, beta terminology, but no, I know what you're...

02:52:05.580 It's to articulate.

02:52:06.780 I don't really use it too often myself, but it's like you get what I mean by it.

02:52:10.060 So it kind of makes you that sort of like beta male in the situation where you're getting strung along

02:52:15.180 and you're getting let along and you're not getting that sort of burning sexual desire

02:52:19.240 when there's some other guy who after you guys go on a date is rearranging her guts

02:52:24.860 and you're just there just waiting along.

02:52:28.780 And then like for a guy to think that I'm taking all these nice dates, I'm making all this effort

02:52:32.760 and some guy is there just absolutely pounding it.

02:52:36.380 I feel like my thoughts on the situation is I never want to be made like a fool. 0.97

02:52:40.060 You know, and I feel like if I was put in that situation, I would feel like a fool.

02:52:43.640 Like I don't want like if I'm taking you out on this nice date, if I was the guy, let's say,

02:52:47.440 take you on this night, investing my time in you, investing my energy, I'm only committing to you

02:52:51.280 and you're going around sleeping with somebody else.

02:52:54.080 Like even and you're not sleeping with me, even though I'm putting in the effort. 0.99

02:52:57.320 Now you're just making me look like an idiot because what is this person doing that I'm not doing? 0.98

02:53:01.020 Like what's wrong with me now? Am I not good enough? 1.00

02:53:02.900 Like why do I not? Why am I not getting sex? 0.99

02:53:04.900 I feel like this person is completely valid because, you know, they're not exclusive.

02:53:10.060 But then I start to like look inward and then I'm be like, whoa, like am I wrong?

02:53:13.900 Like what's wrong with me now?

02:53:15.040 Like do I not deserve this?

02:53:16.300 And then that's when I start getting in my own head about that.

02:53:19.800 Yeah, when it comes back to the whole, you know, waiting, making some guys wait for sex,

02:53:26.600 having sex quickly with other men, it's ultimately it's just kind of a fraud.

02:53:32.060 I mean, the whole point of a woman having a waiting period before she has sex is supposed to be due to her not being someone that gives away sex so easily. 0.99

02:53:42.580 So having a man wait implies I'm not easy to get into bed. 0.99

02:53:48.020 Yes.

02:53:48.220 So it's like you wanting to build something slowly is kind of pointless if you're willing to give it out sex to another man who did not give her commitment. 0.99

02:54:01.020 It's hypocritical. 0.99

02:54:03.760 This whole situation is hypocritical. 0.94

02:54:05.140 And it ruins that idea for that guy forever probably.

02:54:08.240 Like the next time someone wants to wait and make it special to him, he's going to be like, no, that's a red flag.

02:54:12.700 He probably saw the signs because you have to see the signs in those situations.

02:54:17.660 So you think you could have told like off the bat that this girl was probably sleeping around with somebody if she told you she wanted to wait with you?

02:54:22.440 Not even sleeping around, but like you can kind of tell if they're sort of in the streets, you know.

02:54:27.620 You can kind of tell if they're dating and if they're sort of putting out little thirst traps.

02:54:32.100 You can tell by like the way that they react to your date.

02:54:35.480 Like I said before, if they're simping on you, if they're really wanting your attention.

02:54:38.760 You can tell what they're doing on their Saturday night.

02:54:40.540 If they're really busy all the time, then it probably is a bit of a red flag.

02:54:44.300 But if they're reading a book and having a bath and doing some origami on a Saturday night while all the girls are out, then that says something.

02:54:51.480 So there's lots of little different telltale signs.

02:54:53.560 And I reckon he probably would have ignored a few signs.

02:54:59.600 And the reason I brought that up, while it's a little different than the situation with you,

02:55:03.480 and I think some of you kind of sided with her on this, of like she was sleeping with a guy while they were dating.

02:55:11.040 It's sort of, it's very similar to this whole, you know, you said when you were in Europe, you know, you were having your fun, whatever.

02:55:18.480 But if you were to pursue a guy for a long-term relationship, you would make him wait.

02:55:23.320 The guy you view as long-term potential, you'd make him wait.

02:55:25.480 But you don't actually have any qualms with sleeping with someone quickly.

02:55:30.000 So it's sort of viewed in the same way.

02:55:35.320 Like, oh, those other guys who you didn't really care about, it was just fun. 0.99

02:55:39.660 I'll have sex with them immediately. 1.00

02:55:40.920 But the guy who you do view as long-term potential, okay, we're going to wait a month, two months. 0.98

02:55:46.660 Well, can I say that maybe those experiences also changed my view of like casual hookups as well?

02:55:51.740 Like it was fun and stuff, but it's also something that like I realized that sex to me is meaningful.

02:55:56.420 And for me, it's like, it's, it is meaningful.

02:55:59.060 And I just do want to wait.

02:56:00.460 That's something that is special to me.

02:56:02.860 So I don't know.

02:56:04.180 Even though I've had that past, I guess.

02:56:07.000 Not really, but that past.

02:56:09.220 It's, yeah.

02:56:10.020 Well, but is that like going, hold on.

02:56:12.940 And I'll grid one motorsports donated $100.

02:56:16.880 Why can't women be properly single? 1.00

02:56:20.040 How hard is it to not be a craptastic 304?

02:56:24.280 The mentee want that will love, care, and cherish.

02:56:27.000 You will not tolerate such behavior.

02:56:29.800 Stop it.

02:56:30.740 Get some help.

02:56:32.160 Be better.

02:56:33.700 Learn how to type.

02:56:35.320 Oh, roasted grid one motorsports.

02:56:37.640 Boom, roasted.

02:56:38.460 Hey, thank you, man.

02:56:39.320 Appreciate it.

02:56:39.800 Um, so my response is, I mean, if that's going to be like your genuine new standard from

02:56:47.320 now on, then, I mean, I suppose that's commendable, but my, is that really going to be like from

02:56:55.600 here on out, I'm just, okay, all the guys that I'm going to be with, I'm going to wait 0.99

02:56:59.920 to have sex with them. 0.97

02:57:00.800 I mean, is that really going to be the standard or is it like when a super hot guy comes around 0.98

02:57:04.940 and all he wants is casual and I want casual, like, are you still going to do it?

02:57:10.780 Yes, possibly, to be radically transparent and I maybe want to speak for myself, but

02:57:16.020 I think I speak for more than myself.

02:57:17.320 Well, yeah, you're poly.

02:57:18.200 I mean, you're open about that, but was there something else that you wanted to come in on?

02:57:21.640 In general, though, I mean, that you're saying, like, that from going from, like, oh, from

02:57:30.140 your whole phase or whatever and being like, oh, no, I'm sacred temple.

02:57:32.820 Now, like, only starting, like, you're only conceived with me if, like, we're together

02:57:36.620 for a long time and, you know, like, that might not be your forever.

02:57:41.180 To be honest with people, no, we may dip in and out.

02:57:43.480 We may go back into a whole phase.

02:57:44.940 It honestly depends on where you're at.

02:57:47.020 It's even worse.

02:57:47.880 It doesn't matter if it's worse.

02:57:49.260 It doesn't matter if it's true.

02:57:50.280 You're asking for the truth.

02:57:51.520 The truth is that, yes, you might dip in and out.

02:57:54.420 It's like, okay, here's what would be like.

02:57:56.520 Depending on where you are in your emotional trauma healing.

02:57:59.040 Here's what would be the biggest L, right?

02:58:00.760 Pretty big L. 0.96

02:58:01.700 So, okay, you meet a girl. 0.96

02:58:03.920 The past 10 guys she's had sex with instantly.

02:58:07.660 Then she makes you wait three months.

02:58:09.780 You date her for six months.

02:58:11.420 You break up with her. 0.99

02:58:12.760 And then she fucks a guy within a week of you breaking up. 1.00

02:58:15.660 Right, because that's usually not happening. 0.99

02:58:16.320 And then she goes on and fucks 10 new guys. 1.00

02:58:18.420 So the standard was completely arbitrary, totally arbitrary. 0.81

02:58:22.160 It has nothing to do with some sort of moral standard.

02:58:25.340 She was just dangling the carrot in front of you. 1.00

02:58:27.480 She either just didn't have that burning desire, as Jake says,

02:58:30.220 or she's playing some, she's gamifying.

02:58:33.840 She's gamifying or she's using sex as a means to secure a relationship with you. 1.00

02:58:40.660 All the things you said were true.

02:58:42.380 Everything that's been said is true.

02:58:44.140 I mean.

02:58:45.820 But yes, we are.

02:58:47.140 It's a case.

02:58:48.320 It's dialectical therapy where two things can be both true at the same time.

02:58:52.940 Sure, and my advice to men is, if you know.

02:58:55.480 I understand.

02:58:56.060 It's hard to understand.

02:58:56.980 If you know, here's my advice to men.

02:58:59.080 If you know that a girl had a different standard previously, she's not worthy of your commitment.

02:59:04.580 Go find a girl who's worthy of your commitment.

02:59:08.400 I think that really comes down to personal insecurities and that you've got to work with it yourself.

02:59:12.020 It's got nothing to do with insecurity.

02:59:13.460 It's got nothing to do with security.

02:59:14.700 It is.

02:59:15.700 That's how you feel like, oh, so I'm not worthy of her love.

02:59:19.120 That's not love.

02:59:20.200 She's not worthy of mine.

02:59:21.360 No, who's saying that this sex is love? 0.97

02:59:22.080 She's not worthy of mine.

02:59:23.100 Love, like that's, it's so situational that, yeah, and that's fine.

02:59:26.840 Everyone is valid to the right.

02:59:28.240 No, she's playing a game.

02:59:28.400 It's a game.

02:59:28.520 You know, I'm saying that it's right or wrong.

02:59:29.860 You're valid to that.

02:59:31.020 But they're not necessarily wrong for deciding that they want to sleep with someone.

02:59:37.060 Like, that's their choices.

02:59:38.180 They can't say it's right or wrong.

02:59:39.320 It's completely their choices.

02:59:40.360 But you are completely valid to make your boundaries.

02:59:42.500 It's totally her choice to sleep with 20 guys before me immediately and then make me wait until marriage. 1.00

02:59:49.600 It's also my choice to look at that and say, that's bogus.

02:59:53.700 I ain't signing up for that.

02:59:55.380 Goodbye. 1.00

02:59:56.080 Go find a different sucker. 0.99

02:59:57.540 Correct. 0.99

02:59:59.260 Correct.

03:00:00.180 And that's what I advise to men is no.

03:00:04.240 Uh-uh.

03:00:05.060 Go find a girl who, that's always been her standard. 1.00

03:00:08.920 Let's flip this on men. 0.99

03:00:10.920 That's not true.

03:00:11.440 I was going to say, how many people are you going to find that that's the standard, that that's true?

03:00:15.920 Because especially in the day and age, like, we are not raised with those kind of morals.

03:00:19.600 We are in such a mess of society.

03:00:21.060 We have sex pushed down our throats so much that when I was younger, I didn't understand all that, you know? 1.00

03:00:25.480 And then it happens, and then you're like, oh, shit. 1.00

03:00:26.840 You got sold to lie. 1.00

03:00:27.780 You got sold to lie.

03:00:28.700 Although you're still buying into the lie.

03:00:30.600 But so, okay, question.

03:00:32.520 Do you think men should pay for first dates? 1.00

03:00:35.460 Do you think men should pay on the first date? 0.99

03:00:37.560 I don't know.

03:00:38.020 I think they could.

03:00:39.380 Would you?

03:00:40.540 It depends.

03:00:41.440 Who am I to say what one should or shouldn't do?

03:00:43.960 I'm pretty, I tend to be pretty selective with the women I like to date. 0.96

03:00:46.980 So, one of the things that I might select for is a lack of past promiscuity.

03:00:54.340 Okay.

03:00:54.640 So, if she's to some degree a traditional woman, then under those circumstances, I'm prepared to pay for the first date. 1.00

03:01:01.000 But my advice to dudes, like, if you're not getting traditional treatment from a girl, first off, you shouldn't date her to begin with.

03:01:08.200 So, there shouldn't even be a conversation of, well, should you pay?

03:01:11.140 Should you not pay for a nontraditional woman? 1.00

03:01:13.280 Eh, you know.

03:01:14.160 Look, if you want to be a nontraditional woman, you should expect nontraditional treatment from a man. 1.00

03:01:19.360 Let's go 50-50.

03:01:20.540 You're going to have to take initiative when it comes to various things.

03:01:23.400 Would you, what else, I'm trying to think of other sort of things where it would be more 50-50.

03:01:29.480 You can plan out dates, that sort of thing.

03:01:33.220 You can take the lead.

03:01:34.180 You can take initiative.

03:01:36.020 Don't expect any gifts.

03:01:37.360 Don't expect me to provide, et cetera.

03:01:38.880 What you're saying is correct.

03:01:40.080 Okay.

03:01:40.580 Yeah.

03:01:40.700 Good times.

03:01:43.280 But do you want a guy to pay for the first date? 0.81

03:01:46.200 Do I want them to?

03:01:47.600 I mean, it's situational.

03:01:50.180 I mean, I like gifts.

03:01:51.700 I said one of my love languages is gifts.

03:01:53.920 So, yes, I would like to be spoiled in that way.

03:01:57.280 But I also will do that, too, if that's their love language and they like that.

03:02:02.620 And I can.

03:02:04.140 I mean, it also comes down to those things of what you can give that I may not have as much money as he has.

03:02:10.060 So maybe I can't buy him dinner, but I can make him dinner.

03:02:13.540 You know, there's all different.

03:02:15.920 It's all right.

03:02:17.080 All opinions are right.

03:02:18.680 All opinions are right.

03:02:20.260 All opinions.

03:02:21.720 I mean, that we've said.

03:02:22.920 You shouldn't say should also, by the way, Jake.

03:02:25.320 No, we got to get rid of should. 1.00

03:02:26.600 Sorry.

03:02:27.020 Should it be removed from the dictionary?

03:02:29.120 Wait.

03:02:30.400 Should.

03:02:30.960 It could, but will it?

03:02:32.980 Could it be removed?

03:02:33.960 It could, but will it?

03:02:35.380 Wait, wait, wait.

03:02:35.860 Should it be removed?

03:02:36.980 Should, should, should.

03:02:37.760 Who's to say what?

03:02:38.360 Be removed from the dictionary.

03:02:39.220 Should or shouldn't do.

03:02:40.480 That is a fantastic point.

03:02:41.040 I cannot see into the future.

03:02:42.480 I can't see into the future as hell.

03:02:43.020 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

03:02:45.760 Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have them.

03:02:47.820 Twitch.tv slash whatever.

03:02:50.660 Kayla, do you see all those names next to the blue?

03:02:53.680 I want you to thank each of those names next to the blue for us.

03:02:56.800 Go ahead, Kayla.

03:02:57.440 Think of them?

03:02:58.220 Thank them.

03:02:58.900 Oh, thank you.

03:03:00.060 Thank you, Jay Bond.

03:03:01.060 Thank you, True Eric.

03:03:02.060 Go ahead.

03:03:03.140 Okay.

03:03:04.040 Thank you, Live Gamer.

03:03:05.860 STTV.

03:03:06.700 Holy sheet, man.

03:03:08.160 Thank you.

03:03:10.780 TreadLadM8.

03:03:12.400 Thank you.

03:03:14.360 PinElosa.

03:03:15.620 Spoonman.

03:03:17.500 USMC.

03:03:18.260 I think I know him.

03:03:20.100 Uh-oh.

03:03:20.340 That's a boyfriend.

03:03:21.900 No, it's not.

03:03:23.240 Oh, okay.

03:03:24.820 TrueFireBlicks.

03:03:25.700 TrueEricB. 0.99

03:03:27.040 JayBunTheGreat.

03:03:28.520 Thank you, guys.

03:03:29.620 Read these new ones.

03:03:30.600 TrueFireBlicks.

03:03:33.200 At the top?

03:03:34.060 Oh, awesome one.

03:03:35.320 ScottySquirts.

03:03:36.420 Thank you.

03:03:38.000 ScottySquirts, I really appreciate you.

03:03:42.040 It's okay.

03:03:42.920 It's all right.

03:03:43.640 It's all right.

03:03:44.280 What were you thanking them for?

03:03:45.840 Subscribing.

03:03:46.280 Oh, they subbed on Twitch, yeah.

03:03:48.200 All right, so I wanted to come back to something you said.

03:03:51.620 You said beauty is a subjective?

03:03:54.520 Yeah.

03:03:55.600 Oh, speaking.

03:03:56.260 Oh.

03:03:56.740 I'll just take him a donated $200. 0.71

03:03:59.840 Brickson, someone told me you're racist.

03:04:02.480 What?

03:04:02.820 So I needed to ask.

03:04:04.660 Five girl versus six girl, bro?

03:04:07.440 No lying.

03:04:08.080 You come in with four girl and I'm a not accept. 1.00

03:04:10.620 Oh, wait, right?

03:04:13.920 Do you mean, I think he means five foot, five foot girl versus six girl, no lying, you come

03:04:19.640 in with four foot and I'm a racist.

03:04:21.980 What does this have to do with racism?

03:04:23.660 First, Monsta Kama, good to see you in the chat, man.

03:04:25.880 We thought we lost you.

03:04:27.100 You have to donate some more to clarify.

03:04:28.800 No, he doesn't need anything.

03:04:29.580 No, it's fine.

03:04:30.140 Is your question, would I prefer to date a five foot girl versus a six foot girl versus 1.00

03:04:35.260 a four foot girl? 1.00

03:04:36.860 I mean, I'll date them all.

03:04:40.140 You know, I like short women, so the five foot, I'll take the four foot. 1.00

03:04:43.920 I'll date a dwarf. 1.00

03:04:45.300 Would you guys date a dwarf? 0.99

03:04:46.340 I would date a dwarf. 1.00

03:04:47.020 I want to ask, does the height matter for boys?

03:04:49.820 Yes, it matters for me.

03:04:50.960 It matters for you?

03:04:51.720 Like how so?

03:04:52.860 They have to be below five foot seven.

03:04:55.220 Have to be below five foot seven?

03:04:56.620 Yeah. 1.00

03:04:57.200 Okay, I'll date a girl who's like, she could be a fucking Amazon woman. 1.00

03:05:00.920 No, I can't deal with it. 1.00

03:05:01.580 I'll date six, seven.

03:05:04.000 No, I like to get a good view down.

03:05:05.260 Think of the kids.

03:05:06.220 No, no.

03:05:07.120 But also I'll date like a girl who's like four or five.

03:05:09.980 You're like that guy in Game of Thrones, that one who loves, you know that one, that warrior

03:05:13.800 who loves the big lady? 1.00

03:05:15.760 Oh, Brienne of Toreth and Tormund.

03:05:18.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:05:18.820 He was like, what did he say?

03:05:19.920 You're like the wild lady who loves Brienne.

03:05:22.240 He's like, we will make giant children, or I forgot exactly what he said.

03:05:26.820 No.

03:05:28.100 The big lady, I guess you call that. 1.00

03:05:30.420 How about the short girls? 1.00

03:05:32.000 Short girls with tall brothers.

03:05:33.360 That's ideal.

03:05:34.080 How about that?

03:05:34.720 Short girls, tall brothers.

03:05:36.080 No, I'll date.

03:05:36.660 I'll tell you.

03:05:37.940 I am four and eleven, I would say.

03:05:40.180 Four feet to eleven inches.

03:05:41.540 Four and eleven is good.

03:05:42.320 That's a good height.

03:05:44.280 Yeah.

03:05:44.420 Whenever I say a four and one of them, I love it.

03:05:45.220 Honestly, I think you're kind of too tall for me, to be honest.

03:05:47.780 Like, I wish you were kind of short.

03:05:48.780 Yeah, I always have kind of like this thing in my head.

03:05:51.680 I like, I felt it like, personally, like, I think height is a thing that boys see.

03:05:58.140 It's just like in my head.

03:05:59.320 I don't know.

03:05:59.700 Yeah, but we like short, though.

03:06:01.460 I think it's weird when guys like tall girls.

03:06:04.080 Really?

03:06:04.540 Yeah.

03:06:04.760 I do too.

03:06:05.400 Yeah.

03:06:05.900 You do too.

03:06:06.240 They want to be able to pick you up and throw you into the pool.

03:06:08.780 Fun size is a thing.

03:06:10.300 Yeah.

03:06:11.900 So, wait, you think guys don't like short women? 0.98

03:06:14.020 Is that what you're saying?

03:06:14.620 I think this was a thing in my head.

03:06:17.800 No.

03:06:18.060 Oh, I actually think it's like a, like men, there's, I mean, I think, honestly, I think 0.56

03:06:24.280 men don't care about height. 1.00

03:06:26.520 They'll date, I think men will date women their height, maybe even a little taller. 0.83

03:06:30.560 I think typically it tends to be women would not date a guy who's shorter than them, or

03:06:36.320 they prefer to date a guy who's X tall.

03:06:39.560 Typically, you know, you're here six feet, or at least taller than them.

03:06:43.040 Um, but I don't think I've really heard of guys saying they don't like short women.

03:06:49.280 No, no.

03:06:50.460 I think don't like tall is more common.

03:06:52.760 So, you're good, 4'11".

03:06:53.680 Yeah, you're good.

03:06:54.180 You're chilling.

03:06:55.020 I know.

03:06:55.360 Are we asking if size matters?

03:06:57.700 Are we going there?

03:06:58.280 I mean, we could.

03:06:59.360 Is it, why not?

03:07:00.800 What's your answer to the question?

03:07:03.440 Not if they know how to use it.

03:07:04.920 What if they don't know how to use it?

03:07:06.480 Then it might matter.

03:07:07.700 And it might matter.

03:07:08.620 Okay.

03:07:08.900 Um, here, wait, actually, I want to do, we're, we have to do this all at the same time.

03:07:16.520 Okay.

03:07:17.300 We're not going to do this with paper on the count of three with your, like this.

03:07:22.500 Don't do it now.

03:07:23.940 When I say three, I want you to lift your hand up and I want you to show what you think.

03:07:29.380 Oh, this.

03:07:30.760 Okay.

03:07:31.180 You can do that.

03:07:32.000 What is, what do you guys, should I, should we do what they think average?

03:07:35.380 What do you think, what's a good, the average?

03:07:39.640 I know the average if you guys want to know what it is.

03:07:41.980 It's like five, five inches?

03:07:43.660 It's five and a half.

03:07:44.400 Five and a half?

03:07:44.860 I'm pretty sure.

03:07:46.400 All right.

03:07:50.060 Ideal or average?

03:07:51.540 I reckon ideal is funnier.

03:07:53.580 Yeah, let's do ideal.

03:07:54.400 I reckon ideal is funnier.

03:07:55.740 Ideal.

03:07:57.540 Well, then you know, like the whole.

03:07:59.420 Everybody get your ideal ready.

03:08:01.340 Well, there's girth.

03:08:02.660 There's a good length.

03:08:03.840 Length for girth.

03:08:04.780 Like this?

03:08:05.940 Like this?

03:08:06.180 Shout out, shout out to length for girth for it.

03:08:10.320 I reckon we go length for girth.

03:08:11.340 Length for girth.

03:08:12.680 Yeah.

03:08:13.540 Let's just say that it's an acceptable girth.

03:08:16.880 Yeah.

03:08:17.280 It's an acceptable girth.

03:08:18.000 Here.

03:08:18.500 On three.

03:08:21.600 Did you say flaccid or hard?

03:08:23.140 Hard.

03:08:24.320 Okay.

03:08:25.180 On three.

03:08:27.240 One.

03:08:28.120 Wow.

03:08:28.860 Two.

03:08:29.740 Three.

03:08:32.260 Immediately.

03:08:32.900 Up here.

03:08:33.180 Up here, guys.

03:08:34.780 She's got that Jason Love over there. 0.97

03:08:38.800 Far out.

03:08:39.840 Wait, stay there, Nick.

03:08:40.860 I don't know.

03:08:41.060 Get the best.

03:08:41.780 My best perception is not very good.

03:08:43.540 You have Johnny Sins.

03:08:44.620 They're bigger than your face.

03:08:45.840 Madison, can you measure?

03:08:46.900 Wait, keep your hands up.

03:08:48.000 I think, yeah.

03:08:48.200 Bigger than my face.

03:08:48.520 Madison's going to measure.

03:08:49.260 Can we ask each person how much they think?

03:08:51.640 Yeah.

03:08:51.900 How big do you think that is?

03:08:53.620 Oh, there you go.

03:08:54.260 That's a good idea.

03:08:54.780 Wait, keep your hands up.

03:08:55.540 Keep it, guys.

03:08:56.080 Don't change.

03:08:56.460 Don't change.

03:08:57.200 Stay there.

03:08:57.880 I don't care if you start having muscle spasms in your hands.

03:09:02.500 It doesn't matter for me.

03:09:03.600 Madison's going to.

03:09:04.940 Okay, so how big?

03:09:06.640 I think this is average.

03:09:08.500 How big do you think that is?

03:09:09.640 I don't think it is.

03:09:10.640 Wait, guys, guys, guys.

03:09:11.880 Five and a half.

03:09:12.780 How big is that?

03:09:15.040 Five a little.

03:09:15.660 Don't change.

03:09:16.560 They better be bigger than average.

03:09:18.320 So we can see how much they think that is.

03:09:20.820 Wait, let them answer this first, though.

03:09:22.260 Go ahead.

03:09:22.520 How big is that?

03:09:23.520 I think six inches.

03:09:25.300 Okay.

03:09:25.760 Six and a half.

03:09:26.280 I don't know.

03:09:27.120 Yeah, like six and a half.

03:09:29.320 Maybe like five and a half or six, I think.

03:09:32.100 The average one, I would say.

03:09:33.540 Nick, you're not.

03:09:34.380 Hello?

03:09:36.240 You're going to focus on me?

03:09:38.540 Okay, go ahead, Maddie.

03:09:39.540 Let's get some measurements going.

03:09:41.540 So you said this is five and a half.

03:09:42.440 Well, turn it the other way, I guess.

03:09:45.820 Okay, just so we can see, I guess.

03:09:47.940 She's reading it out here.

03:09:50.060 That is.

03:09:51.240 Six and a half.

03:09:51.700 She shrunk it.

03:09:52.880 She shrunk it.

03:09:53.500 That's six and a half.

03:09:54.300 How?

03:09:54.800 Okay, fine.

03:09:55.400 What about her? 0.98

03:09:57.000 This is ridiculous. 0.83

03:10:00.240 It's about six and a half. 0.97

03:10:01.500 Six and a half?

03:10:02.340 All right.

03:10:02.680 I don't know that.

03:10:03.260 All right, we've got a size queen over here. 1.00

03:10:05.080 Hey, don't move it.

03:10:06.060 Don't move it.

03:10:06.320 Go ahead.

03:10:07.540 Oh, my God.

03:10:08.000 Is that about the same?

03:10:09.140 Whoa.

03:10:10.400 Eight.

03:10:10.880 Oh, she shrank it.

03:10:12.060 Eight and a half.

03:10:12.680 Okay, what about her?

03:10:14.060 Don't change your answers.

03:10:15.600 Slug. 0.99

03:10:18.100 That's seven, seven and a half.

03:10:20.000 Okay, all right.

03:10:24.920 Seven, all right.

03:10:27.560 Okay, all right.

03:10:29.100 All right, modest here.

03:10:30.220 That's a five, five and a half.

03:10:31.620 Okay.

03:10:32.020 Accurate.

03:10:32.420 It's like four and a half, five.

03:10:38.820 It's four?

03:10:39.520 It built a bit different in India.

03:10:41.100 It built a bit different in India.

03:10:41.140 It built a bit more, you guys.

03:10:44.880 Button.

03:10:45.540 All right.

03:10:46.900 That.

03:10:47.160 Show us the size, and I can see how accurate you guys are.

03:10:50.540 Oh, you want me to, you want us to do what we think the average is?

03:10:54.140 This is a PG-13 show, Madison.

03:10:56.600 We're not.

03:10:57.060 Show us six inches.

03:10:57.620 Because they were saying what they like.

03:10:59.780 No.

03:11:00.180 No, we were saying what they like the average was.

03:11:04.320 No, I think they're doing what we, what I would.

03:11:07.300 I don't know, Brian, you go.

03:11:08.100 How does it prefer?

03:11:08.660 I don't know, Brian.

03:11:12.700 Haram!

03:11:13.360 Okay, good, good talk. 0.99

03:11:14.780 I don't know how we got to penis size. 0.98

03:11:16.680 Well, we were talking about beauty is subjective, then the TTS came through. 0.94

03:11:20.380 Let me just double check here, some of our chats.

03:11:22.380 Yeah, we're good on that.

03:11:23.540 What?

03:11:23.920 Oh, the height thing, right?

03:11:25.140 Oh, does height matter?

03:11:26.640 Okay, we'll, we'll go around the table.

03:11:28.040 Does height matter?

03:11:29.520 I prefer a tall guy.

03:11:31.680 I'm five, six something, and I round to five, seven when I say my height.

03:11:37.020 But yeah, I like tall guys.

03:11:38.080 Bare minimum.

03:11:39.320 Bare minimum, probably like 5'11".

03:11:42.860 How tall is your current boyfriend?

03:11:44.900 He says 6'1", but I think it's shorter.

03:11:50.080 Yeah, I think taller guys are more attractive.

03:11:52.740 I think taller guys are definitely more attractive, but like bare minimum is my height.

03:12:00.600 Okay.

03:12:00.880 Clearly, I do not gauge size well, so...

03:12:05.080 Have you been on dating apps?

03:12:10.580 Not really.

03:12:11.360 Oh, okay.

03:12:12.340 Because you can put height on dating apps, and sometimes you might use that as a metric.

03:12:15.920 How tall are you?

03:12:16.920 5'1".

03:12:17.580 5'1".

03:12:17.840 5'1".

03:12:18.680 Okay.

03:12:19.300 Bare minimum height?

03:12:26.480 I mean, I guess around as tall as me.

03:12:28.720 I guess I'm very attracted to someone that was like slightly taller than I was.

03:12:34.360 Okay. 0.99

03:12:34.580 And I consider them short, but usually shorter guys have smaller dicks, so... 0.99

03:12:38.780 Just saying. 0.99

03:12:40.940 Wait, what?

03:12:41.940 Physiological sense?

03:12:43.400 Smaller guys have smaller peens?

03:12:45.040 Yeah.

03:12:46.380 I don't know if you ever heard the term tripod.

03:12:47.880 I knew it's war.

03:12:54.040 Neeraj underscore NJ underscore Sharma donated $100.

03:12:58.680 Will a girl date a guy with 5'5 height if height doesn't matter? 0.97

03:13:03.120 If this guy is good in every aspect...

03:13:05.800 Neeraj, if you won't be trying to get married as soon as possible, I would have for sure, okay? 0.71

03:13:11.420 Height wouldn't matter to me at that point.

03:13:13.280 He's the guy I liked.

03:13:15.920 Oh, he's watching?

03:13:16.980 Yeah, he's watching.

03:13:19.020 Wait, he's the guy you liked and what happened?

03:13:21.020 The married guy? 0.71

03:13:22.020 Yeah, he want to get married.

03:13:23.400 No.

03:13:25.480 Yeah, I told you.

03:13:26.080 The love triangle guy.

03:13:26.980 What happened?

03:13:28.060 He wanted to get married and you really liked him?

03:13:30.500 Yeah.

03:13:30.880 And he was 5'5"?

03:13:32.200 Yeah.

03:13:33.080 Wait, that's him?

03:13:34.040 That's him.

03:13:34.440 Yeah, that's him. 1.00

03:13:35.060 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:13:35.540 That's the name. 1.00

03:13:36.880 Wait, what?

03:13:39.140 Is this the married guy?

03:13:40.940 Wait, you wouldn't marry him?

03:13:42.320 No, I'm not married.

03:13:42.580 You would not marry him?

03:13:43.840 The love triangle guy?

03:13:44.180 I said, like, I want to date him, but he was, like, he want to just date a girl who is willing

03:13:50.500 to get married because he thinks he's 30, he's well settled, he want to get married.

03:13:54.920 Is he also Indian?

03:13:57.640 Yeah, he is Indian.

03:13:58.540 Uh, Neeraj, wait, would you, when did this breakup happen?

03:14:05.720 It's not a breakup, and it's not, like, something, like, a fight or something.

03:14:09.400 He just confessed, I confessed it, and I already know that he's looking for a girl to get married.

03:14:16.460 Yeah.

03:14:16.960 Why not you?

03:14:17.500 I think right now in the phase of, like, building myself, and I don't want to put myself, he

03:14:23.740 want to get married right away.

03:14:25.520 I'm okay, like, waiting, and, you know, just being in a relationship, give some time to

03:14:30.580 him and myself, but he want to get married.

03:14:32.820 Neeraj, I'm going to be your wingman here.

03:14:36.000 Neeraj actually contacted me before the show.

03:14:38.880 Yes, he did.

03:14:39.520 And he wanted me to propose to you on his behalf, so.

03:14:43.900 Oh my gosh, that's a joke, right?

03:14:46.240 Will you marry Neeraj?

03:14:49.420 He's here, he drive me all the way.

03:14:51.320 Oh, he's here?

03:14:52.160 You want to come? 1.00

03:14:53.540 Wait, is this a real fucking bitch? 1.00

03:14:56.360 Yeah, my car broke, and he bring me here. 1.00

03:14:58.400 Do you, do you accept?

03:15:02.160 I already told him, like, if he's going to wait, I'm ready, but not right away, if you,

03:15:07.300 because I want to build myself. 1.00

03:15:08.420 Yeah, like, don't worry, you're getting gauged, here, just put this shit on, put that shit 1.00

03:15:12.380 on, put that shit on, just put it on, wait, hold on, he drove you here? 1.00

03:15:16.520 Yes, because my car broke. 1.00

03:15:18.440 Oh, I see.

03:15:19.220 Where are you from?

03:15:19.740 Here, just, just stick out your left hand really quick, I got you, Neeraj, I got you, 1.00

03:15:24.640 stick out your left hand, no, just put it over here, here, Madison, slide that shit 1.00

03:15:28.100 on, Madison, slide that shit on, yeah, just put it, just do it all slide. 0.99

03:15:32.640 Just try it on, let's see it. 0.99

03:15:33.540 Are you happy now?

03:15:35.240 Oh, no, silver's not your color.

03:15:36.660 Oh, wait, hold it up, hold it up.

03:15:41.580 Look how good that gold looks, though.

03:15:45.580 She's now engaged, can we get some W's in the chat for Neeraj and V?

03:15:51.980 No.

03:15:55.060 What did I miss?

03:15:57.380 She got married.

03:15:58.340 She's married.

03:15:59.200 Wow.

03:15:59.880 She's married, the guy.

03:16:00.740 He's down in the car.

03:16:02.880 Is he still here?

03:16:04.940 Oh, yeah, he's got away. 0.99

03:16:05.560 What if he's like, this is some Romeo and Juliet shit, and you're like. 0.99

03:16:08.320 No, it's not. 0.99

03:16:09.660 She goes over to the balcony, and.

03:16:12.020 Look at all those hearts.

03:16:12.940 What does Romeo say?

03:16:13.480 Aw.

03:16:14.720 Love, love, love, love. 0.99

03:16:15.060 Juliet is the east, and the sun is, I don't know, fucking, okay. 0.97

03:16:18.320 We have a chat here from this, Brian. 0.94

03:16:23.820 Actually, Kayla, we need you to read this.

03:16:25.800 Why me?

03:16:26.540 You've got a good speaking voice.

03:16:28.060 Go ahead, Kayla.

03:16:28.700 No one's told me that.

03:16:30.140 Thank you.

03:16:31.100 Brian is like a new Adam Corolla.

03:16:33.960 Pod could be like love line someday.

03:16:36.680 I bet Adam could come on.

03:16:38.000 He's not that far from you.

03:16:39.740 Would destiny be getting divorced?

03:16:42.080 What are everyone's opinion on poly success?

03:16:44.840 Hey, first off, thank you for the compliment, man.

03:16:47.260 I used to listen to love line all the time when I was younger, and it actually would be

03:16:53.020 super cool to get Adam Corolla on.

03:16:54.940 I'd love to do that.

03:16:56.580 With destiny getting divorced, opinion on poly success?

03:17:01.120 Oh, I think it's catastrophic.

03:17:03.160 I don't think that there's, I don't think it's a good approach to, you know, relationships.

03:17:10.280 No offense, Katie, over there, but don't think it works out ever.

03:17:16.240 And it especially doesn't work out if it's like a girl with like five dudes.

03:17:21.700 Haram.

03:17:22.180 That doesn't, no way.

03:17:24.080 I'm not saying it's better if it's like a dude with five chicks. 0.99

03:17:28.500 I think a lot of people that go into it don't go into it with the correct intentions either.

03:17:34.140 So, I understand why that rate would be high.

03:17:37.080 All right.

03:17:38.160 Well, I think it's just not really, end of the day, it's not conducive to having a family,

03:17:44.000 which is not conducive to continuing our population and civilization, which is conducive to

03:17:48.860 civilizational collapse.

03:17:49.940 It's absolutely terrible for society.

03:17:54.480 Terrible for society.

03:17:56.060 On the micro, it might be okay.

03:17:57.460 You might have fun.

03:17:57.600 In China, I heard that they're letting women have babies again. 1.00

03:17:59.540 Yeah, they are since the 90s.

03:18:00.620 I mean, they do.

03:18:00.840 Like, not just one baby, like more.

03:18:03.900 What's that got to do with poly, though?

03:18:06.120 Well, you were talking about populating the world.

03:18:09.240 Yeah.

03:18:09.480 Well, they had a catastrophic one-child policy in China.

03:18:11.860 Yeah, I know.

03:18:12.240 I'm saying that that changed.

03:18:13.340 I've heard recently.

03:18:14.640 Yeah.

03:18:15.180 Well, they were never polyamorous, so.

03:18:18.220 I didn't say that.

03:18:19.380 What did that, I didn't get what it had to do with it.

03:18:20.860 Just with populating, I was going off that you were talking about populating.

03:18:24.540 Yeah, right.

03:18:25.740 So, would you agree that it's very, like, anti-natal?

03:18:29.260 Or anti-family?

03:18:34.120 I don't know.

03:18:35.020 You think little poly families work? 1.00

03:18:37.880 Because it's the basis.

03:18:38.640 It's the basis before going into that stage.

03:18:41.020 It's about learning about yourself and love and different things.

03:18:45.780 Do you think that you guys...

03:18:47.120 And there are a lot of poly families as well.

03:18:49.860 Do you think that poly people will be a victim of Darwinism?

03:18:53.400 Of what?

03:18:54.120 A victim of Darwinism.

03:18:55.380 So, they'll get bred out.

03:18:57.040 Of Darwinism?

03:18:58.640 Darwinism.

03:18:59.760 Down syndrome.

03:19:00.840 I know, but I'm like, what?

03:19:02.620 I don't know what that is.

03:19:03.680 The evolution.

03:19:04.620 Do you think that...

03:19:05.720 Because, like, you know, not everybody...

03:19:07.220 No, I think the COVID vaccine is going to be the end of evolution.

03:19:11.800 That's kind of basic.

03:19:12.540 We probably shouldn't talk about that.

03:19:15.300 Yeah.

03:19:15.820 Let's avoid that one, but probably...

03:19:17.600 Only 40% of men that have ever existed have reproduced.

03:19:21.580 Really?

03:19:22.000 And something like 80% of women. 1.00

03:19:23.740 Yep.

03:19:24.300 Wow.

03:19:25.040 You know what that means.

03:19:26.340 So, people get Darwin'd all the time. 0.66

03:19:27.740 I think poly people are just rot for a downing. 1.00

03:19:31.440 Yeah. 0.95

03:19:32.520 So, they have down syndrome? 1.00

03:19:33.780 Get fucking Darwin'd. 1.00

03:19:35.200 No. 1.00

03:19:35.800 Like, natural selection.

03:19:36.880 Get Darwin'd.

03:19:37.780 You're not Darwin'd, bro?

03:19:38.900 They win the Darwin Award.

03:19:40.360 Yeah.

03:19:41.380 Good times.

03:19:42.280 Okay.

03:19:42.500 We've got to talk about beauty's objective.

03:19:44.340 We've got to talk about...

03:19:45.540 We've got to talk about...

03:19:47.040 What other notes do you have?

03:19:50.000 I've got a lot of notes on...

03:19:51.420 Oh, actually, let me...

03:19:52.160 While I...

03:19:52.640 Let me get through some of my pre-show notes here.

03:19:55.480 We need...

03:19:55.900 We...

03:19:56.460 Hold on.

03:19:58.580 Was it...

03:19:59.280 Wait.

03:20:02.520 Oh, here it is.

03:20:04.320 What?

03:20:04.680 I will go...

03:20:07.280 I'll come back to that.

03:20:08.140 Oh, I had something for Kayla here, but she's getting up to...

03:20:11.480 I just chugged a energy drink.

03:20:13.500 Oh, you got a pee?

03:20:14.180 Okay.

03:20:15.480 Question?

03:20:16.360 Yes.

03:20:16.840 Question for Kayla.

03:20:18.920 Let's see.

03:20:19.660 Hold on.

03:20:20.900 You said...

03:20:23.240 Relationship.

03:20:25.500 Maybe we could describe what we were looking for or who our dream guy is, and then hopefully

03:20:29.420 he pops up on our DMs from the show.

03:20:33.500 Yeah, I did say something like that.

03:20:35.300 That's actually literally verbatim what you said.

03:20:37.820 Why would you say that with a boyfriend?

03:20:39.120 Yeah, don't you have a boyfriend?

03:20:40.500 I think I did it for, like, the group.

03:20:43.380 That's so altruistic of you, I guess.

03:20:47.980 It'd be cool, I mean.

03:20:49.060 Wing woman. 1.00

03:20:49.420 I was actually, like, thinking, like, why don't you just throw, like, one or two random

03:20:52.840 guys in the group with the panel of...

03:20:55.400 What are you talking about?

03:20:56.060 We got...

03:20:56.740 Some alien just got punched in the face at every 50-day.

03:20:58.920 Have you been on it before?

03:20:59.660 Please be respectful to Madison.

03:21:01.120 She's... 1.00

03:21:02.120 Never mind.

03:21:02.780 I don't know where I was going with that.

03:21:04.660 Sorry, man.

03:21:08.220 I didn't know if she was, like, on every single one or not, but I knew she, like, worked

03:21:12.360 with you guys.

03:21:13.620 Respect to you for all.

03:21:15.400 Who is she? 0.99

03:21:18.220 She's integral.

03:21:19.100 That's what she is.

03:21:19.940 Integral.

03:21:20.220 Huge.

03:21:21.260 Huge.

03:21:23.540 Okay.

03:21:24.300 Okay.

03:21:24.620 So, okay.

03:21:26.820 Do you describe what you're looking for in Dream Guy, I guess?

03:21:30.880 Yeah.

03:21:32.240 I mean, I...

03:21:32.780 Let's do looks.

03:21:33.800 Let's do physical, and then let's do personality.

03:21:36.680 Physical.

03:21:38.400 Tall.

03:21:39.160 Handsome.

03:21:40.820 Okay.

03:21:42.140 I don't really have, like, a preferred eye color.

03:21:44.280 I don't know.

03:21:48.620 Good hair.

03:21:51.120 Charismatic.

03:21:52.960 Funny.

03:21:54.300 And honest, loyal.

03:21:59.440 Honest, loyal?

03:22:00.460 Yeah.

03:22:01.760 Open.

03:22:02.420 Okay.

03:22:02.620 You know, like...

03:22:03.100 Wait, into the mic.

03:22:05.540 Yeah, that's pretty much all I can really think of right now.

03:22:08.000 I know there's a long list that I have, though.

03:22:10.280 You got a long list?

03:22:10.980 Yeah.

03:22:11.260 Have you written it down somewhere?

03:22:14.020 I have it written down.

03:22:15.060 I'm about to bust it out after I hear it from all of you.

03:22:18.900 I'll bust mine out, too.

03:22:20.420 What are you guys looking for?

03:22:22.280 Let's talk...

03:22:23.040 We'll do looks and personality.

03:22:25.300 Go ahead.

03:22:27.100 You want to hear my list?

03:22:28.660 Let's hear the list.

03:22:29.580 Do you want me to pull it out?

03:22:30.760 Oh, you got written down?

03:22:31.620 Oh, I have it written down.

03:22:32.060 Oh, yeah.

03:22:32.740 Busted it out.

03:22:33.980 While we wait...

03:22:34.900 Get it out.

03:22:36.600 While we wait, Jake is going to do the haka.

03:22:40.100 Even though he's Australian. 1.00

03:22:43.080 I actually can.

03:22:44.320 You can?

03:22:48.300 You can do it?

03:22:49.260 Do you know how to do the haka?

03:22:50.460 Come on, take on, take on, take on.

03:22:53.500 Come on, take on, take on.

03:22:54.540 I've watched enough All Blacks.

03:22:55.420 You know what it means when they put their tongue out like that?

03:22:58.200 It's a...

03:22:58.940 They're trying to be intimidating?

03:23:01.420 It means they want to eat you.

03:23:03.260 It means it's saying, I'm going to eat you.

03:23:04.760 Oh.

03:23:06.060 Yeah.

03:23:06.320 Which of the hakas do you prefer? 1.00

03:23:09.740 Do you prefer the kamete or the kapa o penga?

03:23:12.980 I don't know if that's the right one.

03:23:14.660 I don't know.

03:23:15.360 There's a couple different versions.

03:23:16.200 I grew up watching the All Blacks versus the Wallabies.

03:23:18.420 Yeah.

03:23:18.660 And it's so iconic.

03:23:19.660 The kamete, I'd say. 0.61

03:23:21.040 I don't really know the difference between them, though.

03:23:22.440 South Africa, they've got the spring box.

03:23:24.020 I like the spring box, you know.

03:23:25.800 The spring box.

03:23:26.320 It's pretty too hard.

03:23:27.420 Just give us...

03:23:28.100 Wait, wait, give us...

03:23:28.780 No, no, no.

03:23:29.100 This is perfect.

03:23:30.000 So, okay, guys.

03:23:30.640 She has a... 1.00

03:23:31.720 Just to recap what's going on here.

03:23:32.920 She's written down a list of what she's looking for.

03:23:35.380 Do any of you else have this?

03:23:37.620 She's written down a list of what she's looking for in a man.

03:23:41.940 Or a...

03:23:42.740 You're bi, right?

03:23:43.320 So, I'll speak to you, a woman? 0.98

03:23:44.420 Did you do this while you were so single?

03:23:45.380 Not bi?

03:23:45.920 No.

03:23:46.360 Straight.

03:23:46.880 Oh, okay, okay.

03:23:47.660 What you're looking for in a man. 0.97

03:23:49.160 Okay.

03:23:50.460 It's, like, really long.

03:23:51.360 I'm not going to go through it all.

03:23:52.040 No, no, no.

03:23:52.680 We got time.

03:23:53.540 Do it.

03:23:54.420 Okay.

03:23:55.740 Emotional and not afraid to admit their feelings.

03:23:58.280 Existential and or philosophical.

03:24:00.080 Interested in the world.

03:24:01.080 Driven and ambitious.

03:24:01.860 Doesn't try to hook up the first time.

03:24:04.260 Asks me questions.

03:24:05.520 And is genuinely interested in who I am as a person.

03:24:07.840 Is grateful and expresses that gratitude.

03:24:10.480 Who can teach me things and pushes me to be my best self academically, spiritually, mentally,

03:24:14.700 open-minded, and non-judgmental.

03:24:16.780 Doesn't speak badly about people in his life or past.

03:24:20.140 Who is content just being in my presence.

03:24:22.080 Who I know likes me for me.

03:24:23.740 Someone I can be vulnerable with and trust.

03:24:25.560 Someone who loves life or wants to really feel like they are living.

03:24:29.300 Someone who follows through.

03:24:30.540 Someone who is okay with being alone and doing things alone.

03:24:33.340 Someone who can have fun without constantly drinking or smoking.

03:24:36.280 Someone I can confront or communicate with who will listen to my feelings and try to understand them.

03:24:40.420 Someone who is adventurous and loves to try new things.

03:24:43.300 Someone who does not play games.

03:24:45.680 Someone who loves books with a star.

03:24:47.340 They don't have to.

03:24:48.280 Someone who is health conscious.

03:24:49.520 Matches and returns my energy.

03:24:51.960 Who doesn't make me feel like I always have to be energetic or happy.

03:24:55.240 Who brings out my feminine energy and can dominate me in ways. 1.00

03:24:58.120 Who's open-minded and goes out of their way to listen and learn about all perspectives.

03:25:03.140 Who's worldly.

03:25:03.900 Who isn't afraid to disagree with me.

03:25:06.140 Who's comfortable experimenting with and doing body work like Brima or tantric sex. 0.96

03:25:11.100 LOL. 0.99

03:25:11.860 Who brings out my silly side. 0.89

03:25:13.640 Who has found themselves first. 0.93

03:25:15.280 Who can cry in front of me.

03:25:16.380 Who knows what they want.

03:25:17.240 Who puts effort into seeing and talking and complimenting me.

03:25:20.080 Reassuring verbally.

03:25:21.600 And who doesn't make me question their intent.

03:25:24.360 I don't know man.

03:25:25.380 That sounds like a lot of work.

03:25:29.780 Is that it?

03:25:30.560 Was there more?

03:25:31.280 No.

03:25:31.460 Was that just the first?

03:25:32.300 That's it.

03:25:32.700 That was good.

03:25:33.480 Thank you.

03:25:34.020 That was a good list.

03:25:36.260 Now I have a question.

03:25:37.080 Do you have a corresponding list of what you bring?

03:25:42.240 No.

03:25:42.700 I mean, no.

03:25:44.380 I could make one.

03:25:45.820 Maybe.

03:25:46.220 What do you bring?

03:25:51.380 For myself at this point in my life?

03:25:53.860 Loyalty.

03:25:54.420 Honesty.

03:25:54.880 Good communication.

03:25:57.180 Fun.

03:25:58.100 I'm really adventurous.

03:26:00.240 I'm really good at planning things.

03:26:02.320 I'm really good at going after what I want.

03:26:04.080 If I want something, I'll bring them with me.

03:26:07.620 I would say I'm really ambitious.

03:26:10.800 I don't know.

03:26:11.860 Okay.

03:26:12.140 Well, one thing I did hear there, and I know I don't want to linger too long because we

03:26:16.160 already talked about it for a while.

03:26:17.300 You said you don't want a guy who tries to sleep with you on the first date. 1.00

03:26:20.560 Yes.

03:26:23.780 Does kind of, you know, but you've slept with a guy when you were in Europe just on your

03:26:31.140 Euro trip.

03:26:32.140 I'm saying I don't want to be in a long-term relationship with the guy who tries to sleep

03:26:36.040 with me on our first date, on my first date with him.

03:26:40.880 But you don't have qualms with sleeping with somebody on the first date immediately.

03:26:46.320 I don't have problems if he has slept with people on the first date.

03:26:49.920 No, but you don't have an issue sleeping with guys immediately. 0.91

03:26:56.840 But you don't want...

03:26:57.660 If I'm not, if I'm in Europe and on my little travel things, blah, blah, blah, and I'm not

03:27:01.900 looking for a relationship.

03:27:03.780 What if he's like the perfect guy, but he wants to sleep with you on the first date?

03:27:08.360 Is it a no-go?

03:27:10.580 Honestly, yeah, I don't think he could be the perfect guy.

03:27:13.260 If he wants to sleep with you on the first date?

03:27:16.140 I mean, if you...

03:27:17.060 Like, he could want to, but it's his intent.

03:27:20.220 What if the vibes were there?

03:27:21.800 What if the vibes were there?

03:27:24.840 What if the vibes...

03:27:27.380 The vibes were there in terms of like... 1.00

03:27:30.220 Like, you said you want a guy who can dominate you and do tantric sex and shit. 1.00

03:27:36.100 Hey, that was two out of like 15. 1.00

03:27:37.760 What if he's like...

03:27:40.760 I said...

03:27:41.880 On some... 1.00

03:27:43.000 What's that fucking... 1.00

03:27:44.220 No. 1.00

03:27:44.820 No, no, no.

03:27:46.460 Because I think that takes time to develop with someone.

03:27:48.980 And I have to be emotionally comfortable with that. 0.98

03:27:50.460 You can't just fucking get into role play. 0.99

03:27:52.760 No. 0.99

03:27:53.280 Well, I'll never say never.

03:27:54.380 You can't just start tying someone up on the first date.

03:27:57.420 That's like more of a second date activity.

03:28:00.840 Okay.

03:28:01.360 God, it's a tough crowd here.

03:28:02.380 I'm sorry.

03:28:07.840 Bondage?

03:28:08.340 No?

03:28:08.680 Is that what you said you're into?

03:28:10.080 Are you like...

03:28:10.840 I said someone who's comfortable with...

03:28:12.260 No, experimenting.

03:28:13.280 It's okay.

03:28:13.960 If you're into BDSM, you can tell me.

03:28:15.880 Experiment.

03:28:16.200 You can tell me if you like BDSM.

03:28:18.420 Experimenting with different things.

03:28:19.040 I have some interests of my own.

03:28:20.820 I, you know...

03:28:21.160 Experimenting.

03:28:21.720 Experimenting.

03:28:22.180 With different things. 0.69

03:28:23.260 And tantric sex is different.

03:28:24.980 Have you tried that? 0.72

03:28:26.400 I've tried it with my partner before.

03:28:27.960 Yeah.

03:28:29.260 How does that work?

03:28:30.560 How do you do... 1.00

03:28:31.500 Like, you just Google that shit. 1.00

03:28:33.600 How to fucking tantric sex. 1.00

03:28:34.940 Like, you gotta practice that shit. 1.00

03:28:36.160 She probably... 1.00

03:28:37.080 Do you know tantric sex? 1.00

03:28:38.500 Nah, she just fucked. 1.00

03:28:41.140 What'd you say? 1.00

03:28:41.920 You just...

03:28:42.420 Like, they're no tantra, son. 1.00

03:28:44.340 It's just like, let's fuck. 1.00

03:28:45.820 Do you know what tantric is? 1.00

03:28:47.960 I saw American Pie 2 and Finch.

03:28:50.420 You know Finch from American Pie 2?

03:28:52.020 He was trying to get with the ficus. 0.99

03:28:54.120 That shit was weird. 0.99

03:28:55.100 I don't know. 1.00

03:28:56.020 All I know about tantric sex, Kama Sutra, is from American Pie 2.

03:29:00.280 Yeah. 0.95

03:29:00.640 Where you...

03:29:01.480 Awesome.

03:29:02.820 I don't know.

03:29:03.440 I really don't know anything about it.

03:29:06.920 What is it?

03:29:07.700 Can you share with the class? 0.90

03:29:08.180 Yeah, what is tantric sex? 0.90

03:29:10.460 That's actually... 0.80

03:29:11.160 That's a good question.

03:29:12.220 I don't know if I'm gonna define it correctly. 1.00

03:29:13.940 Should I Google this shit? 1.00

03:29:14.740 Yeah, Google it. 1.00

03:29:15.460 Let's see what... 0.97

03:29:15.960 Tantric sex... 0.94

03:29:17.380 Tantric is a whole overall thing. 0.98

03:29:18.580 Isn't it where, like, the guy doesn't cum? 0.97

03:29:21.340 Or doesn't ejaculate? 1.00

03:29:23.060 It's like breath work and stuff.

03:29:25.420 You gotta breathe?

03:29:26.220 It's like...

03:29:26.940 You gotta breathe?

03:29:28.100 You gotta, like, meditate? 0.95

03:29:29.360 You can have an orgasm without touching yourself and lots of things. 0.83

03:29:35.380 What's definitely... 0.96

03:29:35.780 Oh, no.

03:29:36.120 It's a little bit...

03:29:36.780 It's just... 0.99

03:29:37.260 It's like crazy positions too and shit. 0.99

03:29:39.440 It's just like... 0.99

03:29:40.360 It's like crazy positions and shit though, bruv. 0.99

03:29:42.920 You can have tantric yoga. 0.99

03:29:43.560 I ain't about the crazy positions.

03:29:45.100 I'm sorry.

03:29:45.840 You can do tantric yoga and stuff and that's not...

03:29:47.940 It's not about even being with another person.

03:29:49.740 You can do tantric yoga, which is...

03:29:51.360 It's about finding sexuality and... 0.59

03:29:53.720 This all sounds a bit demonic.

03:29:55.060 I feel like we're gonna do something to spell it.

03:29:56.980 Sounds like a lot of work.

03:29:58.580 I just said open, who's experimenting.

03:30:02.080 Come on.

03:30:02.840 Don't you want someone who's open with experimenting different things?

03:30:06.480 Don't be so lazy.

03:30:07.480 Oh, of course.

03:30:08.100 Being open-minded, enthusiastic.

03:30:10.440 Enthusiasm's probably the number one.

03:30:12.040 It's just gotta be very enthusiastic.

03:30:13.600 Okay.

03:30:14.040 You know, even if you're inexperienced, if you're enthusiastic, you can go very far.

03:30:18.320 Very far with that.

03:30:19.580 So...

03:30:20.580 How did we get there?

03:30:22.660 We were...

03:30:23.260 Oh, the list.

03:30:24.020 It was the list.

03:30:25.040 The list is good.

03:30:25.900 All right.

03:30:26.140 I've got a list, but I'll let everybody else go first.

03:30:30.820 What's...

03:30:31.380 What...

03:30:32.140 Wait, what was the...

03:30:33.980 Oh, what does everybody...

03:30:35.100 Oh, it's Modest, a comma.

03:30:38.020 Kayla, read it.

03:30:38.620 Quick.

03:30:38.900 Go.

03:30:39.140 You destroyed me and my bad questions.

03:30:41.040 I'm simply trying to spice it up in support.

03:30:43.200 Not trying to downcast MB.

03:30:45.980 Please keep your up on all platforms, but also Rumble when?

03:30:51.360 What?

03:30:52.020 Honestly, I think I would go to Twitter before Rumble.

03:30:56.140 Although Rumble's a little better live streaming, probably.

03:30:58.640 They have a better live stream set up.

03:31:01.400 It would be actually interesting to get a Twitter deal.

03:31:04.980 Like move...

03:31:05.900 I could see myself moving the show to Twitter, but...

03:31:08.320 Or X, yeah.

03:31:10.720 Twitter...

03:31:11.440 I don't know.

03:31:13.100 I feel like the discovery on Twitter... 0.95

03:31:16.140 Even though Rumble has a better live streaming platform, discovery on Twitter is fucking insane. 0.95

03:31:20.800 So Twitter could be dope, but... 0.72

03:31:23.500 Yo, Elon, what's up?

03:31:25.320 Hook it up.

03:31:26.280 Okay.

03:31:27.340 We're going around the table asking, what do you want in a partner?

03:31:31.860 Our dear Katie.

03:31:33.220 Go ahead.

03:31:35.460 What do you want?

03:31:39.560 Besides a 5'4", studly, polyamorous... 0.99

03:31:44.700 Five foot forward, that slug. 0.99

03:31:46.620 Spiritual.

03:31:49.560 With the just giant cannon.

03:31:54.420 So it's that tripod.

03:31:57.740 You don't know what you want.

03:31:58.720 I don't know.

03:31:59.340 I don't know how to answer that question right now.

03:32:01.260 Do you want a rich man? 0.81

03:32:02.940 You asked it in one way of what am I looking for.

03:32:05.800 God, this guy...

03:32:07.800 You could just answer the question.

03:32:09.400 I don't know how to answer the question.

03:32:10.640 I said that.

03:32:11.080 You don't know.

03:32:11.860 I don't know.

03:32:12.760 That's not something that I can...

03:32:15.860 There's...

03:32:16.180 Okay.

03:32:16.680 I got some clarifying...

03:32:17.840 At this moment in time, I would like...

03:32:19.260 I can help you out.

03:32:20.040 I can help you out.

03:32:20.500 Let me help you out, Katie.

03:32:21.400 I got you.

03:32:21.980 I got you.

03:32:23.580 Would you prefer a guy who's not an arsonist?

03:32:30.520 Yeah.

03:32:31.300 Okay.

03:32:31.600 So we've narrowed it down a little bit.

03:32:34.760 Would you prefer a man who has not committed an act of genocide?

03:32:41.080 Who has not committed an act of genocide?

03:32:43.500 Like a war crime. 0.52

03:32:44.460 Yeah.

03:32:44.820 Who has not committed an act of genocide?

03:32:46.080 No war crimes.

03:32:47.120 Oh, that's right.

03:32:48.360 I don't like war guns.

03:32:49.620 That bro will reach out to Elon and tell you what he says.

03:32:53.180 Yeah, hook it...

03:32:53.740 Dude.

03:32:54.060 Modest to comma.

03:32:55.060 Hook it up.

03:32:56.440 Off to X.

03:32:57.820 If we get canceled...

03:32:58.920 Guys, go to...

03:32:59.600 You never know with YouTube.

03:33:02.040 Woke platform.

03:33:03.300 If we ever get canceled.

03:33:04.520 Because Katie over here starts talking about jabs. 1.00

03:33:11.840 It's true, though. 0.82

03:33:12.760 If we ever get canceled on YouTube.

03:33:15.920 X.

03:33:16.720 X.com slash whatever.

03:33:19.180 So would you date a war criminal?

03:33:21.040 Drugs?

03:33:21.940 Katie.

03:33:22.560 Katie.

03:33:22.820 Would you date a war criminal?

03:33:26.100 Would you date a war criminal?

03:33:27.540 Probably not.

03:33:28.280 George Bush comes to mind.

03:33:30.420 That's a little old for me.

03:33:31.800 Various African warlords.

03:33:35.940 Rwanda.

03:33:36.340 I don't really like aggression, so no.

03:33:37.180 Have you seen that?

03:33:37.700 What's that Rwanda movie?

03:33:38.940 What's that Rwanda?

03:33:39.260 Aggression is not preferred.

03:33:40.160 What's that Rwanda?

03:33:40.660 I don't like guns.

03:33:42.280 What's that?

03:33:42.920 Hotel Rwanda.

03:33:43.940 Have you seen that?

03:33:44.880 The tutis and the... 0.96

03:33:46.460 You mean 100?

03:33:48.500 Huh?

03:33:48.860 The 100?

03:33:49.520 What are you talking about?

03:33:50.360 I don't know.

03:33:51.180 I'm asking if you would date or not date a war criminal.

03:33:56.600 I don't know what a war criminal is.

03:33:58.480 No, I guess not.

03:34:00.340 Rizoros donated $200.

03:34:03.180 Ladies, would you date a guy in the manosphere slash took the red pill?

03:34:08.120 I don't know if they know what that is.

03:34:09.200 That's so funny because I kept asking what are these red and blue dots for.

03:34:12.500 Do we have to choose the red and blue at the end?

03:34:14.580 Brian, one question.

03:34:15.800 Yeah, yeah.

03:34:16.440 You going to get a cross pill on that table?

03:34:19.360 I don't know what that...

03:34:20.260 Like just a cross on there?

03:34:21.940 I don't know what that would look like.

03:34:22.720 Oh, is that a white pill?

03:34:24.580 No, a cross pill.

03:34:25.460 It's probably a pill with a picture of Christ on it.

03:34:27.560 Well, I thought that was the white pill.

03:34:29.380 No.

03:34:29.900 The white pill is the Christ pill.

03:34:31.060 Is it?

03:34:31.800 I've just heard it called the Christ pill.

03:34:33.360 Well, I've heard the Christ pill, but I thought white pill is for... 0.80

03:34:37.040 Sorry, we're doing a break tool.

03:34:38.360 We're talking to this one. 1.00

03:34:39.960 These guys are like drug addicts. 1.00

03:34:41.020 What the fuck is going on here? 1.00

03:34:42.980 No, so... 0.99

03:34:43.720 Here, let me ask this.

03:34:44.760 Because I think the girls might not know what the manosphere is or whatever. 1.00

03:34:49.140 Do you guys know who Andrew Tate is?

03:34:51.760 Would you date Andrew Tate?

03:34:54.160 I don't know who that is.

03:34:55.240 No?

03:34:55.680 I think he might be your type, to be honest.

03:34:58.120 I could set you up...

03:34:59.580 If I got you...

03:35:00.560 He's currently stuck in Romania, but if I could set you up on a date with Andrew Tate, would

03:35:06.600 you go for it? 0.99

03:35:07.300 I'd go for shits and giggles. 1.00

03:35:08.600 You do it. 1.00

03:35:09.280 Oh, my God.

03:35:10.280 I want...

03:35:10.740 Oh, my God.

03:35:11.160 Bucharest is a beautiful city.

03:35:12.120 You would be traveling in Europe, so...

03:35:14.120 Exactly.

03:35:14.640 What's Heinz doing?

03:35:15.120 You know, what happens when Romania stays in Romania.

03:35:18.740 They have a nice compound in Bucharest.

03:35:20.540 I can tell you it's a beautiful city, and the compound would probably be quite nice, too.

03:35:24.740 Would you guys go there?

03:35:25.640 Maybe order some pizza?

03:35:27.060 Perfect.

03:35:27.840 Yeah?

03:35:28.340 Perfect.

03:35:28.620 Pick up the pizza.

03:35:29.720 Yeah.

03:35:30.140 Nice.

03:35:31.900 Yeah.

03:35:33.180 Dicot.

03:35:34.860 Okay.

03:35:35.300 All right.

03:35:37.420 Does that...

03:35:38.260 Riz or Roast?

03:35:39.140 Does that...

03:35:40.160 Who else?

03:35:40.680 Anybody here?

03:35:41.340 Would you date Andrew Tate?

03:35:43.440 I don't even know who he is.

03:35:46.060 The top two.

03:35:46.920 Absolutely not.

03:35:47.660 Andrew Tate?

03:35:48.840 Andrew Tate?

03:35:49.600 No.

03:35:50.220 Andrew Tate.

03:35:50.540 Can we get reasons why not?

03:35:51.480 Kayla, Andrew Tate.

03:35:52.440 You would date Andrew Tate.

03:35:53.900 Be honest.

03:35:55.460 She would do anything to date Andrew Tate.

03:35:57.020 Look at her.

03:35:57.660 Their eyes lit up.

03:35:59.480 Just the thought of it.

03:36:00.300 I feel like you could just look up Andrew Tate's views on feminism and just read that,

03:36:05.160 maybe?

03:36:05.740 We can talk about that. 0.98

03:36:06.780 Feminism is the worship of the devil, so you can understand. 1.00

03:36:11.340 Why? 0.99

03:36:11.980 Okay.

03:36:12.380 All right.

03:36:12.960 Why he doesn't like feminism.

03:36:15.120 Is that in quote?

03:36:15.520 Is that in quote somewhere?

03:36:17.100 No.

03:36:17.460 I just said it.

03:36:18.480 You believe feminism is the worship of the devil? 1.00

03:36:20.720 It is.

03:36:21.420 Can you please elaborate?

03:36:22.860 Sure.

03:36:23.340 I mean, you can read a book called Occult Feminism by Rachel Wilson, and it goes into

03:36:27.660 detail of it.

03:36:28.340 Basically, if you look into the history of feminism, from the start, there's a lot of 0.99

03:36:32.500 demon worshiping going on.

03:36:34.200 There's a lot of summonsing demons, and there's a lot of women there who are involved in some 1.00

03:36:38.700 very nefarious spiritual practices.

03:36:41.740 Very nefarious.

03:36:42.180 Not dissimilar to Katie, but not quite the same.

03:36:47.960 Lots of strange, mystical practices.

03:36:51.640 Demon summonsing, worshipping demons.

03:36:53.840 Interesting.

03:36:54.500 Demon worship. 0.90

03:36:55.920 Occult Feminism, Rachel Wilson.

03:36:58.040 Beelzebub.

03:36:58.480 It goes into it all.

03:36:59.900 If you actually wanted to learn about it, it'd blow your hair back.

03:37:03.660 Interesting.

03:37:04.140 I actually saw an interesting quote from, and Nick, I don't know if you can pull this

03:37:10.120 up. 0.99

03:37:10.700 Fuck. 1.00

03:37:11.680 Nick, Google this. 1.00

03:37:13.320 So, there's someone named Kate Millett, her sister, who you should Google, Mallory Millett.

03:37:19.860 So, Kate founded the National Organization for Women, which I believe was founded in the 0.81

03:37:25.100 1960s, which is a feminist organization.

03:37:28.920 It's the preeminent women's advocacy organization.

03:37:32.260 And I believe if it was either Kate or Mallory, they had some interesting things to say about

03:37:40.180 the American family.

03:37:42.220 So, Google Mallory Millett, M-I-L-L-E-T-T, and then American family, and I think you should,

03:37:51.340 that prompt should be able to help you find it.

03:37:55.400 Yep.

03:37:56.020 Well, that's what the history of feminism is, trying to destroy Christianity and destroy 1.00

03:38:00.080 the family.

03:38:00.540 Are you Christian or Catholic?

03:38:03.640 Christian.

03:38:04.480 Yeah.

03:38:04.760 Or do you want me to show you?

03:38:06.420 Well, show me the Google results that you have.

03:38:10.800 Oh, I mean, you can just...

03:38:11.860 I think there's another one, Florence Farr, I think her name is.

03:38:18.380 My sister, Kate.

03:38:19.900 I think you can click on that one.

03:38:22.540 I'm wondering.

03:38:23.020 Yeah.

03:38:23.580 Yeah.

03:38:24.600 But, I mean, you're going to have to search for...

03:38:27.400 I don't know what the prompt is that you can search for.

03:38:30.940 Destroy the...

03:38:32.400 Something?

03:38:37.360 It's like destroying the American family. 0.87

03:38:40.400 Thank you.

03:38:41.020 You're welcome.

03:38:43.700 Well, okay.

03:38:44.420 While you get...

03:38:45.240 Huh?

03:38:45.680 Give me a second.

03:38:46.160 Okay.

03:38:46.960 I mean, it might be in that PDF.

03:38:48.980 Yeah.

03:38:49.260 Let me see if there's...

03:38:52.620 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops a follow, drops a prime sub.

03:38:56.160 If you have one, we were going around the table on what everybody was looking for.

03:39:00.380 We're looking...

03:39:01.060 Because we...

03:39:01.520 I guess we're now talking about feminism. 1.00

03:39:03.300 Mm-hmm.

03:39:04.460 We'll come back to what everybody is looking for.

03:39:10.000 While I'm waiting on Nick to find that, Katie, would you date a... 0.98

03:39:18.480 My answer is what she said.

03:39:20.880 What did she say?

03:39:22.060 That she would date a war criminal?

03:39:23.640 That whole list was, like, really good.

03:39:25.880 That's a good basis.

03:39:26.720 I'm a little surprised you haven't really been definitive here on the war criminal thing.

03:39:30.500 So, let's go back.

03:39:31.360 If you were alive...

03:39:32.000 Well, I don't understand what war criminal is.

03:39:32.600 If you were alive in, like, the 1930s...

03:39:35.400 It's not a good question. 0.77

03:39:36.540 Because chicks love war criminals. 1.00

03:39:37.500 ...mid-1940s, would you date a war criminal?

03:39:42.860 I don't know what a war criminal is.

03:39:45.540 You don't...

03:39:46.060 Huh?

03:39:46.400 I don't know what a war criminal is.

03:39:47.980 So, a war criminal would be someone, like, who has committed, like, crimes against humanity. 0.69

03:39:52.880 Who's basically, like...

03:39:54.000 If you go to an African country, for example, like Rwanda, that he was talking about before,

03:39:58.040 where there was civil wars happening and where they were machete-ing people to death in the street.

03:40:02.820 A lot of machetes.

03:40:03.680 I did answer that I don't prefer aggression.

03:40:06.200 I don't like guns, so no.

03:40:08.020 Ooh, that's a good question.

03:40:08.960 Going around really quick while Nick is still finding that.

03:40:11.380 You think you got to...

03:40:12.180 Give me one sec.

03:40:13.040 Would you date a guy who owned a firearm?

03:40:15.240 Really quick, going around the table.

03:40:16.360 Go ahead.

03:40:16.880 Yes.

03:40:18.480 I'd have to think about that.

03:40:19.780 You'd have to think about that?

03:40:20.660 Yes.

03:40:21.420 Yes.

03:40:22.400 Yeah, my whole family owns guns.

03:40:25.280 Yes, if I know I can trust him.

03:40:27.820 No.

03:40:28.500 No.

03:40:29.300 Wait, so it was yes, no, no...

03:40:32.440 I'd have to think about it.

03:40:32.940 No, I said yes.

03:40:33.680 Oh, you said...

03:40:34.240 I don't like guns.

03:40:34.940 You'd have to think about it and no for you.

03:40:37.320 Okay.

03:40:39.240 Okay, I'll finish the thread really quick.

03:40:41.860 Okay, question.

03:40:42.800 Let's say you're dating a guy.

03:40:44.320 It could be a long-term relationship.

03:40:45.360 You guys live together.

03:40:46.580 Three men are breaking into your house.

03:40:48.120 Would you prefer your boyfriend to have a firearm or his fists?

03:40:56.040 Nick, hello?

03:40:57.440 Oh, sorry.

03:41:01.060 Hi.

03:41:03.080 It's a question for you and for you.

03:41:04.920 Go ahead.

03:41:08.220 Three men are breaking in?

03:41:09.560 Three men are breaking in, yeah.

03:41:11.320 Okay, and we know these three men are breaking in.

03:41:13.420 There's, yeah.

03:41:14.340 If that scenario...

03:41:15.200 Well, it's like a...

03:41:16.160 That's a firearm.

03:41:17.440 When the door busts down, you know.

03:41:19.280 In that scenario.

03:41:20.160 What about...

03:41:20.740 In that scenario, I would say yes.

03:41:22.240 You guys be closer to the mic.

03:41:23.340 Go ahead.

03:41:23.460 In that scenario, I would say yes, but I think having a gun in the house...

03:41:29.840 At the situation, imagine like you have a gun.

03:41:32.180 Do you think you're going to bring it up and just...

03:41:35.400 So you think that you wouldn't like a man to have a gun unless someone's breaking in?

03:41:39.500 No, I don't think so.

03:41:40.380 I don't think so.

03:41:40.940 At the situation, if you have a gun, it's going to work.

03:41:44.200 You're going to get panicked and the situation is going to be like that.

03:41:46.880 So you don't think it's better to have a gun in that situation?

03:41:50.960 I said first, but then I realized like it's not going to even work.

03:41:54.220 What if he knows how to use it?

03:41:55.580 What if he can just...

03:41:56.660 I think like...

03:41:57.640 Like a spaghetti western.

03:41:58.440 I feel like it's not going to work in that situation.

03:41:59.760 Make my day.

03:42:01.080 That's what my point of view is.

03:42:02.560 You don't think it's going to help having a gun in that situation?

03:42:04.620 I think there are just like 50% chances that it's going to help.

03:42:07.700 Wait, 50% chance that the gun's going to help?

03:42:11.960 Yeah.

03:42:12.820 Like that'll make a difference.

03:42:13.960 Like if you'll be able to get to it, you'll be able to use it in an accurate way.

03:42:17.080 Let's assume he can get to it.

03:42:18.940 And he can use it.

03:42:19.720 He can get to it, he can use it.

03:42:20.560 And he can use it.

03:42:21.180 Let's assume it's on the bedside table and my man is like Clint Eastwood.

03:42:24.360 It's useful, but yeah, I don't think it's like having a gun in houses.

03:42:29.140 You got it right.

03:42:30.200 You got to be like this close to the microphone.

03:42:32.320 Oh.

03:42:32.620 This close.

03:42:33.400 Sorry.

03:42:34.100 Do you want to move your chair forward a little bit?

03:42:35.660 Yeah, I'm comfortable.

03:42:39.300 Yeah, I would say if it's like saving life at some point, it's okay to have.

03:42:44.600 But I personally, overall, I'm not going to date a person who is having a gun in the house.

03:42:52.760 I have a reason to.

03:42:54.360 Do you have a reason?

03:42:57.140 Yeah, I think anger is something that can bring a lot of things that you had never even imagined about a person.

03:43:05.420 And that can be really a bad thing in the house.

03:43:10.200 Well, so you're saying that your boyfriend would like go on some violent tantrum.

03:43:14.760 Can be. 0.74

03:43:15.280 Your six foot boyfriend who's dating a 4'11 woman, he doesn't have the capacity to kill you with a knife, like a kitchen knife or his fists.

03:43:23.740 That's anger. 1.00

03:43:24.340 But he could go get the gun and shoot you down. 1.00

03:43:26.740 Maybe. 1.00

03:43:27.000 I don't know.

03:43:27.680 Yeah.

03:43:27.920 There are so many.

03:43:28.420 Guns are quick. 0.63

03:43:29.540 Yeah.

03:43:29.920 There are possibilities, I would say.

03:43:31.920 I don't feel like it's a safe thing to have in the house.

03:43:34.420 Honestly, like, this might sound crazy. 0.94

03:43:36.820 Like, if I had to pick a way to go versus, like, if I'm fucked, if I have to die by a gun or a knife, I think I'd prefer the gun, to be honest. 0.99

03:43:48.300 Yeah, man. 0.99

03:43:48.980 Make it quick. 0.99

03:43:49.520 Like, I mean, I know that's not a, I don't want either, of course, but I think I'd prefer a bullet to the head than, like, multiple fucking stab wounds. 0.98

03:43:57.260 So you're asking the men that are breaking into the house, what would you prefer them to have? 0.99

03:44:01.540 Would you prefer to be killed with a gun or a knife? 0.76

03:44:04.060 That's what you're asking?

03:44:05.560 Well, no, but she's making it, like, her fear is the fear of violence from your partner.

03:44:11.420 Like, overall, I don't believe that there should be a gun in the house, but if that's a particular situation there, then I believe 50% that gun is going to help if there is a gun in the house.

03:44:21.380 But, yeah, I think that in terms of living in America, though, people have guns here.

03:44:25.780 You do not want to be bringing a butter knife to a gunfight.

03:44:29.100 Yeah.

03:44:29.700 So when you're here, and if you have a family to protect, you're not going to be sort of, like, conscientiously objecting to have a gun.

03:44:37.260 If you're stable enough, I think.

03:44:38.580 But, like, it doesn't matter if you're stable, if someone breaks into your front door, then you're...

03:44:42.260 Well, it does matter if you're an alcoholic, if you have anger issues, and you have a gun, that you could...

03:44:46.680 But, like, you're bringing it to an extreme, we're talking in generics here. 0.56

03:44:49.620 So just in general, if you live in America, and everyone's got guns around you, you don't want to be a sucker with the one person who doesn't have a gun.

03:44:57.440 Okay, assume it's me by myself in my house, and I have a gun. 0.54

03:45:01.000 Man, I can't bring up a gun and shoot someone.

03:45:03.300 Go to the range.

03:45:04.500 I don't think I'm going to do that.

03:45:06.280 I don't have that courage that I'm going to...

03:45:08.220 I think in a real-life situation, I'm going to be...

03:45:11.220 Every person is going to panic.

03:45:12.240 Like, I think 70% person is going to get panicked.

03:45:15.960 Well, you're going to panic, but if you're training...

03:45:18.680 Training?

03:45:21.240 Anyways.

03:45:21.800 So, well, okay, if you're going to panic...

03:45:23.400 Grid 1 Motorsports donated $100.

03:45:28.360 Better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

03:45:31.440 100%.

03:45:31.760 Thousands of crimes are prevented by armed citizens every year.

03:45:36.780 The number one weapon used in homicide is a blunt object, even if a gun is there.

03:45:42.640 And the number one death by guns is someone inflicting it upon themselves, if you guys know what I mean.

03:45:48.240 Okay, we...

03:45:50.740 Wait, we were going around the table, and what everybody wants, we're going to talk about...

03:45:53.840 Oh, Nick, you're going to pull up that thing?

03:45:55.240 Go ahead.

03:45:56.480 Let me see if I can read it.

03:46:00.420 Huh?

03:46:03.100 You need to make it bigger.

03:46:04.140 I can't read that.

03:46:05.500 Mallory Mallette?

03:46:06.500 I don't think...

03:46:07.780 Mallette?

03:46:08.420 That's it.

03:46:10.840 Scroll down.

03:46:11.700 Scroll down.

03:46:12.220 You need to do a search for destroy...

03:46:13.980 Scroll down.

03:46:17.640 Ah, here it is.

03:46:18.320 Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

03:46:19.220 Up.

03:46:21.760 1969, Kate invited me to join her for a gathering among feminists.

03:46:27.680 Consciousness-raising group...

03:46:28.840 Can you make it bigger, Nick?

03:46:30.160 A typical communist exercise.

03:46:34.440 Something practiced Mao's China.

03:46:37.520 But now it was Marxism...

03:46:39.180 Okay.

03:46:39.360 Here, can you read this, Kayla?

03:46:44.100 The quotes.

03:46:44.820 Why are we here today?

03:46:46.140 Why are we here today, she asked.

03:46:47.800 To make a revolution, they answered.

03:46:49.700 What kind of revolution, she asked.

03:46:51.480 The culture revolution, they chanted.

03:46:53.480 And how do we make a culture revolution, she demanded.

03:46:56.340 By destroying the American family, they answered. 1.00

03:46:58.980 How do we destroy the American family, she came back. 1.00

03:47:01.340 By destroying the American patriarchy, they cried exuberantly.

03:47:06.220 And how do we destroy the American patriarchy, she replied.

03:47:10.240 By taking away his power.

03:47:11.920 And how do we do that?

03:47:13.140 By destroying monogamy, they shouted.

03:47:15.280 How can we destroy monogamy?

03:47:18.960 Their answer left me dumbstruck, breathless, disbelief in my ears.

03:47:23.120 Was I on planet Earth?

03:47:24.560 Who were these people? 0.98

03:47:25.600 By promoting promiscuity, eroticism, prostitution, and homosexuality, they rounded. 1.00

03:47:33.560 So, I mean, that's the sister and one of the founders of the National Organization for Women,

03:47:38.360 the preeminent and leading women's organization in the U.S.

03:47:42.360 I mean, it has its genesis in basically attempting to destroy the American family. 0.91

03:47:47.340 Also, if you look back at, like, early feminism is incredibly, is a very rather racist movement.

03:47:54.000 Like, they didn't want, they want white women to vote. 1.00

03:47:56.900 They wanted to secure the vote for just white women. 1.00

03:47:59.880 And some of the most famous feminists, like Margaret Sanger, for example, is a eugenicist.

03:48:05.180 She believes in culling population.

03:48:07.580 And she's also, you know, responsible for, one of them, for, like, you know, family planning.

03:48:13.400 All of the abortions that happen now, she's basically responsible for that. 1.00

03:48:16.640 So, these people are dark, twisted people.

03:48:19.740 And then, this has seeped into our society today, and we don't even realize what we're believing.

03:48:24.520 Before we go further on that conversation, though, I do want to go around the table.

03:48:27.400 Maybe I should have asked this first.

03:48:29.600 Who here considers themselves a feminist? 1.00

03:48:32.440 Starting with Kayla.

03:48:33.040 I don't.

03:48:34.640 I don't think I'm educated enough on the topic.

03:48:36.780 And I just got really overwhelmed with how many loud girls were yelling at me or, like, shouting around about it. 0.98

03:48:43.880 Okay, that's kind of based.

03:48:45.440 Yeah, that's good.

03:48:47.040 What about you?

03:48:48.360 Yeah.

03:48:49.600 Okay.

03:48:51.220 I don't consider myself feminist, no.

03:48:53.940 Yes.

03:48:55.140 To a degree, I believe in gender roles, though.

03:48:58.420 You believe in gender roles?

03:48:59.820 Mm-hmm.

03:49:00.100 What are those?

03:49:00.580 Like, I believe, for certain situations, other people might not need it in their life.

03:49:06.540 But for me, I do believe that, like, with my partner, I expect him to make enough money to take care of me.

03:49:14.140 But I also plan on getting enough money for myself, regardless if I have a partner.

03:49:19.820 But I love the idea of him financially taking care of me, even if I have the financial means to take care of myself.

03:49:26.260 Because I think that that creates an environment where I can be more feminine.

03:49:31.480 I can be more in that feminine role of, like, cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids. 0.99

03:49:36.540 Mm-hmm.

03:49:36.700 I don't think that fits everybody.

03:49:38.380 I think that's very personal to me.

03:49:39.960 I believe that guys should open the door for me.

03:49:42.740 I believe flowers.

03:49:44.260 Pay for first dates.

03:49:45.280 Yeah.

03:49:45.940 But I believe that investment comes back.

03:49:48.440 I think when you're in a relationship, if they're paying for all the dates, my love language is gift-giving.

03:49:54.680 So if I'm financially able, that might mean I'll buy him his, like, dream car, right?

03:49:59.920 It's, like, great scenario there.

03:50:02.100 If, like, all the finances work out, I don't expect him to financially support me because I'm not able to financially support myself.

03:50:10.680 I expect to have a high-paying job.

03:50:12.480 That's my goal.

03:50:13.160 I'm not going to be a stay-at-home life.

03:50:14.920 But I think it creates this environment that allows me to be in my feminine.

03:50:19.680 Okay.

03:50:21.040 I have a question.

03:50:22.460 Can it go likewise?

03:50:23.340 Like, a man can also expect the same thing, like, you asking him for the date and you paying first time, and then he can give you a, like, you are investing first, and then he's giving you, like, back the same thing.

03:50:37.620 I wouldn't go on a date, a second date with a guy if he didn't pay the first time.

03:50:42.180 That's a very feminist position of yours, but... 1.00

03:50:44.460 Would you say that you're a feminist when it suits you? 1.00

03:50:47.020 Not when it suits me, but I believe that women should have the same rights as men.

03:50:50.980 I believe that we should be paid the same amount.

03:50:53.020 What rights are you fighting for?

03:50:54.680 I mean, right now, we have the same rights, but the idea of feminism came from a history... 1.00

03:51:00.340 But you said you're a feminist, so that must mean that you're sort of, like, leaning towards there being more rights given to women.

03:51:05.840 What rights?

03:51:06.820 It's supporting that there's a continuation that women have the same rights as men, and that we get paid the same, and stuff like that.

03:51:13.560 We have the same rights.

03:51:14.500 What's wrong?

03:51:15.320 I'm not saying that we don't.

03:51:16.380 I'm saying that it's a continuation of support.

03:51:18.300 Because the idea of feminism started from the history... 1.00

03:51:20.520 So you're saying there's no need for the movement, but you are still an advocate of the movement.

03:51:25.780 Well, for me, personally, there's not an industry that I'm in that I'm, like, fighting for this.

03:51:29.280 But I know that there's a lot of feminists that are in a certain industry where they don't feel like they're treated as equally as men. 1.00

03:51:35.000 And I support their fight for that equality.

03:51:38.740 Well, there is, though.

03:51:40.140 I mean, it was legislated in the 1960s.

03:51:42.440 There's equal pay. 0.93

03:51:44.420 And if you can prove that you're not being paid equally for the same level of seniority, the same work that's being done, you can bring a lawsuit.

03:51:52.920 Yeah, and we've, like, moved towards that, but we're still seeing situations where there isn't equal pay.

03:51:58.060 And that's what this great conversation of, like, talking about your wages, that's starting to happen now.

03:52:03.260 On the wage thing, really quick, do you think, for example, NBA players, do you think WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players?

03:52:13.160 No, because...

03:52:13.740 So male basketball players, female basketball players? 0.97

03:52:15.620 No, strictly because there's a higher view.

03:52:18.600 Sure, okay.

03:52:18.820 There's more viewers for the NBA, which is a direct translation of, you know, their profit, their funds, the investments.

03:52:26.640 I think that with sports, it's a little difficult because it's based on viewers.

03:52:31.440 It's similar to, like, a TV show.

03:52:33.120 You two are feminists. 1.00

03:52:33.980 Do you think, on the NWA versus WNBA, do you think that they should be paid the same?

03:52:40.340 I think that there should be a gross rate calculated per view, and then we should all just base it off that.

03:52:44.940 Like, a strict standard for every single viewer online.

03:52:48.120 Like, per viewer, you make this amount of money, and I think we should set that for men and women so that it's equal.

03:52:53.680 Or you could just look at the profit and just do it according to that, right?

03:52:57.000 Like, how much money they're bringing in?

03:52:58.320 Exactly, yeah, and then base it off of that.

03:53:00.400 Would you say that that's a feminist position? 1.00

03:53:03.120 I think feminism is bringing the idea of men and women equal, so I feel like that's setting an equal standard.

03:53:10.600 But do you think men and women are equal? 0.97

03:53:12.140 I personally do think that they're equal.

03:53:14.040 In what regard?

03:53:15.080 In almost every regard.

03:53:16.420 Do you think that women are as strong as men? 1.00

03:53:18.400 Yes.

03:53:19.080 Mentally and physically.

03:53:20.240 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

03:53:20.660 Wait, before we answer that one, I do want to get everybody's input on that.

03:53:26.300 Are men and women physically the same strength, generally speaking?

03:53:30.980 No.

03:53:31.920 I mean, no.

03:53:32.500 Can you scoot your mic closer to you?

03:53:34.280 No.

03:53:34.740 No, no, no.

03:53:35.360 Scoot it, scoot it. 1.00

03:53:36.220 Just scoot it. 0.96

03:53:37.460 Okay, no?

03:53:38.360 No.

03:53:40.180 In terms of, like, muscle mass and what we're able to acquire, no.

03:53:43.060 Just strength.

03:53:43.560 How much you can lift?

03:53:44.360 General strength.

03:53:47.680 No.

03:53:48.920 Okay.

03:53:50.160 Typically, no.

03:53:51.460 Okay.

03:53:51.980 On the average, no.

03:53:53.740 What?

03:53:54.140 On the average.

03:53:54.920 On the average.

03:53:55.640 Yeah.

03:53:56.100 Okay.

03:53:56.820 It could be, and then there's that, like, super mother strength, you know? 0.99

03:53:59.420 And then there's, like, the strength in your vagina. 1.00

03:54:01.400 But don't walk back your statement. 0.99

03:54:05.680 You said that men and women are equal in mental acuity and strength, physical and of the mind?

03:54:15.640 Yes.

03:54:17.000 But you, I'm a little confused because the.

03:54:19.260 On the average, though, your typical woman, she's a 5'5 frame versus a typical man is a, 1.00

03:54:24.100 like, what, 5'11", 5'8", right?

03:54:26.340 I don't know.

03:54:26.660 So generally speaking, generally speaking.

03:54:29.780 Generally speaking, no, but I'm talking about, like, strength and, like, valor and, like.

03:54:33.240 No, but you said physical strength.

03:54:34.560 You said physically strong.

03:54:35.000 That's what you said.

03:54:35.460 Maybe I'm comparing it to myself because I consider myself a pretty physically strong

03:54:38.580 person.

03:54:39.060 So in that aspect, yes.

03:54:40.320 No, but we're not.

03:54:41.160 In general, then no.

03:54:42.060 I retract myself.

03:54:43.020 Can I ask a question?

03:54:43.880 Like, what if a guy who is, like, doing exactly the same you were doing, same body, same strength,

03:54:49.000 same everything, and you did the same thing, do you think that competing, like, you would

03:54:54.280 win?

03:54:55.560 What are you talking about?

03:54:56.480 I just kind of feel like guys, like, genetically are just born stronger than a girl being born

03:55:02.420 stronger.

03:55:02.460 Oh, I think she walked it back.

03:55:03.760 I don't know.

03:55:04.260 Um, okay, just, I want to try to wrap up on a couple things here, or, well, because there's

03:55:09.600 been a few conversational threads that haven't been finished.

03:55:12.180 Really quick, we're going around.

03:55:14.480 Grid One Motorsports.

03:55:15.540 Yeah, thank you, Good One.

03:55:16.220 Appreciate it.

03:55:16.620 $100.

03:55:18.160 Red is right.

03:55:19.320 There is inequality.

03:55:20.660 As women have more rights than men, are harder to fire than men, and have lower hiring 1.00

03:55:25.880 requirements than men.life on easy mode.

03:55:29.360 Men and women are not equal. 1.00

03:55:31.220 At all.

03:55:31.780 Okay, uh, yo, Grid One, really appreciate it, man.

03:55:34.720 Thank you for your, thank you for that.

03:55:35.680 Um, if he looks up any of the, like, major companies you're looking at, the percentage

03:55:40.380 of women and men, the majority is men, and though we're working towards making it equal,

03:55:44.680 that is just false.

03:55:45.620 Because if it was easier to, um, hire women, or women were more inclined to be hired, then 0.86

03:55:52.040 that percentage wouldn't be the case.

03:55:53.140 Well, I mean, one thing that occurs to me, what is the primary motive of a business?

03:55:57.500 What is the purpose of a business?

03:55:58.920 Profit.

03:55:59.440 To make money, right?

03:56:00.320 Yeah.

03:56:00.420 So if it was actually true that you could hire women and pay your workforce, let's say 0.99

03:56:05.840 a company of 10,000 people, you could pay your workforce and save 20%, 30% on salary,

03:56:12.460 wouldn't the companies just hire women? 1.00

03:56:14.400 If it was actually true that you could just pay women less?

03:56:17.060 But for these large corporations that are, uh, governed and run by men, um, men even-

03:56:24.600 Are they?

03:56:25.260 Yeah.

03:56:26.180 Yeah.

03:56:27.680 Sure, we have, we have-

03:56:28.960 They're not governed, they're all governed by women. 1.00

03:56:30.480 Look at the HR departments.

03:56:31.260 Sure, certainly.

03:56:31.560 The HR departments, hiring departments.

03:56:33.360 If you're talking about current day, we're also talking about equal pay.

03:56:38.280 Why, when you say equal though, why do you think it needs to be equal?

03:56:42.600 In, in terms of like, um, your professional life?

03:56:46.820 It should be equal.

03:56:47.600 You think that there should be the exact same amount of men and women in the exact same

03:56:51.900 amount of positions getting the exact same pay?

03:56:53.800 I don't think a company should be based, um, like trying to get the numbers 50-50.

03:56:57.900 I think it should be based on, um, you know, your resume, your experience.

03:57:02.180 And that's why women get paid less. 1.00

03:57:04.640 Because we have less experience?

03:57:05.540 Because women have, they generally are less qualified. 1.00

03:57:08.460 How's that?

03:57:09.260 Well, because women have to take time out for maternity leave, right? 1.00

03:57:13.860 A lot of women, that's after they get hired. 1.00

03:57:16.340 Yeah, I know, but okay.

03:57:17.560 So, they have to take time out for maternity leave. 1.00

03:57:20.220 And there's like, men are willing to work a lot harder as well.

03:57:24.700 Men are willing to work a lot longer hours.

03:57:27.260 Like, if a man works a lot longer hours, then he's going to get paid more.

03:57:31.000 Especially in sales jobs, etc.

03:57:33.700 Do you think that's a factor?

03:57:35.680 Oh, well, where are you saying that women won't work those hours? 1.00

03:57:39.080 Well, it's a fact.

03:57:39.840 Men work longer hours than women. 0.95

03:57:41.220 And also, they have different interests as well.

03:57:43.460 I mean, men will tend to go into STEM fields. 0.61

03:57:46.300 And STEM fields pay more.

03:57:47.720 Whereas women tend to go to pink jobs. 1.00

03:57:49.140 They tend to go to childcare.

03:57:51.160 You're talking about the facts, not the coulds. 0.59

03:57:53.600 That women could do those things. 1.00

03:57:55.340 We could be there, but...

03:57:56.560 But they weren't, because...

03:57:57.220 I typically find that there's more women in my STEM field classes than men, personally. 0.71

03:58:01.840 Yeah, but it's classes.

03:58:02.820 But you look into the workplace, and then they're absolutely dominated by men.

03:58:06.340 Because men are more interested in things, and women are more interested in people. 0.92

03:58:10.280 I don't think that's true, because...

03:58:13.160 Current day, the majority of my friends are into banking, investing, economics, mathematics.

03:58:19.440 You look at the industry.

03:58:20.580 These industries are dominated by men.

03:58:22.440 And these are also industries where you have to work really hard until you're 30, 35 to start making money.

03:58:29.600 Women tend to take time out because they go and take maternity leave, and they want to have children. 1.00

03:58:33.340 Because they're smart, and they realize what's more important in life.

03:58:35.860 Whereas men will work their asses off 80 hours a week until they're 40 years old. 0.98

03:58:40.180 Maternity leave is about three months. 1.00

03:58:43.060 Do you think that there's a lot of women who exit the workforce, or who are at least very disadvantaged by it?

03:58:48.020 No.

03:58:48.560 Who do you think's more interested in STEM fields, men or women?

03:58:51.980 Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

03:58:54.320 I think that there's a mix.

03:58:56.100 You think that it's equal?

03:58:57.040 Yeah.

03:58:57.360 That's a stat for you, actually, if you want to see it.

03:58:59.340 You can pull it up, man.

03:59:00.040 Yeah, I looked it up, too.

03:59:00.660 Two-thirds of those employed STEM occupations were men.

03:59:04.980 About one-third, 35% were women.

03:59:09.140 So, I mean, do you think it's like this thing of supposedly men making more money than women,

03:59:15.000 is that due to, you think that's due to sexism? 0.99

03:59:18.920 Historic.

03:59:19.240 Burns donated $200.

03:59:22.720 Yeah, it doesn't exist.

03:59:23.840 Wage gap doesn't exist.

03:59:25.780 Men typically work higher-paying jobs, more hours, and typically ask for raises more often.

03:59:31.560 I mean, there's, like, various factors that go into this.

03:59:35.600 When you start, if you just compare all the money that men make and all the money that women make, 0.99

03:59:41.520 there's a, it's not a wage gap, it's an earnings gap.

03:59:44.460 But if you start narrowing it down to, okay, well, this career field, here's the hours worked.

03:59:51.540 Like, for example, men work, if you look at all men versus all women, men work more hours than women do. 0.69

03:59:57.220 Okay, let's talk about a job that isn't hourly.

04:00:00.600 Yeah, but, like, it doesn't matter if they're hourly, because if you're working at a career,

04:00:03.900 and you're a man who's just, say, in a science job, right,

04:00:06.720 and you're working 80 hours a week compared to a woman who's working 60 hours a week, 1.00

04:00:10.500 then you're going to get ahead faster.

04:00:12.000 And if you stay at that company for 10 years, and you really get ahead,

04:00:16.860 then you're going to be on a lot better money than a woman who's had to go and leave the job for a while, 1.00

04:00:20.740 do maternity leave, come back, leave, come back, and is also interested in different things as well.

04:00:26.460 And historically, through a comparison of people that work the same hours,

04:00:31.140 that have the same position, there was a wage gap.

04:00:33.320 There was, historically.

04:00:34.500 And that's, like, feminism has existed through years, but the argument is, am I a feminist? 0.53

04:00:38.260 Yes, because it took feminism to get us to the point where we are now, to get that equal pay. 1.00

04:00:43.360 But do you realize how different the job availability was 100 years ago?

04:00:51.760 But that doesn't excuse the fact that women and men got paid differently for doing the same job for the same hours.

04:00:57.460 But here's the thing, like, equal pay, feminism, can really only, when it comes to workforce participation, 1.00

04:01:04.440 can really only exist when there are comfortable, air-conditioned office jobs. 0.97

04:01:09.800 You didn't hear feminists in the fucking 1800s saying, 1.00

04:01:13.560 I want to go into the coal mines and get black lung. 0.99

04:01:16.380 Because for the longest period of human history, most jobs were, like, extremely physically laborious.

04:01:26.680 But also, that's still true today, though.

04:01:28.400 If you look around today, the highest echelons of earners are all men, because, you know, like we said before.

04:01:34.220 But then the lowest as well, all the most difficult jobs, the ice road truckers, like you said, the coal miners. 0.95

04:01:39.820 Whenever you go to foreign countries and you see people digging ditches on the side of the road,

04:01:43.240 it's never women. 1.00

04:01:44.340 And I don't see you guys fighting for those positions.

04:01:46.080 We have videos.

04:01:47.160 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

04:01:47.820 I'm sorry.

04:01:48.280 I have to play a video related to that.

04:01:50.120 Nick, can you play those?

04:01:51.880 I want you to maybe mute the audio.

04:01:53.860 But it's the ship videos.

04:01:56.440 Can you pull that up?

04:01:57.360 Yeah.

04:01:58.000 Yeah.

04:01:58.500 Really, before you do that, we were going around the table, I think, asking everyone, are you a feminist? 1.00

04:02:04.080 I would say somewhat, yes.

04:02:05.700 Are you a feminist? 1.00

04:02:07.720 Feminist, like, I say I don't have the e-chlorite same thing. 0.99

04:02:10.720 I'm not.

04:02:11.680 Okay.

04:02:12.260 Do you have it, Nick?

04:02:13.240 Yeah.

04:02:14.400 Okay.

04:02:14.920 Go ahead and play it.

04:02:16.080 It's kind of weird with the full screen.

04:02:18.600 Is that cool?

04:02:19.440 Yes.

04:02:23.900 Okay.

04:02:25.300 All right.

04:02:26.100 Oh, well, that's okay.

04:02:27.060 I don't know what's going on there.

04:02:28.060 Um, so this is, uh, some, you know, some, okay.

04:02:33.180 Oh.

04:02:35.160 Okay.

04:02:35.780 All right.

04:02:37.400 Um, okay.

04:02:40.520 Yeah.

04:02:41.040 That's a oil rig or something out in the sea.

04:02:43.980 All right.

04:02:44.620 That's a guy jumping between two ships.

04:02:47.040 I don't know if he's going to go weld something.

04:02:48.820 Uh, okay.

04:02:49.900 There's a dude jumping out of the helicopter in the ocean.

04:02:53.220 Uh, yep.

04:02:54.300 Okay.

04:02:55.800 Uh, you know, um, oh, that, that looks fun.

04:02:59.740 You know?

04:03:01.660 Oh, that looks like a good time.

04:03:03.280 You know, you know, you know, just sinking in 50 foot waves.

04:03:07.460 No big deal.

04:03:09.060 Um, so if you had to wager, you know, what the percentages like between men and women who

04:03:17.120 occupy that, the jobs that are, you know, the jobs on that ship, uh, what, like, what would

04:03:25.660 you wager is the gender breakdown there?

04:03:29.200 99% are male.

04:03:30.540 It's probably male.

04:03:31.380 I mean, so we should probably analyze aside from just the money that people make.

04:03:34.740 Let's, we should analyze other sorts of gaps, right?

04:03:36.980 So there's dangerous job gaps.

04:03:38.980 For example, there's, you know, men are more likely to die on the job gap.

04:03:43.340 Men are more likely to be electrocuted to death gap.

04:03:46.380 Men are more likely to be crushed to death gap. 0.72

04:03:48.480 Men are more likely to drown to death gap.

04:03:50.560 Uh, do you know what Delta P is Delta P?

04:03:53.580 So this often happens with like undersea, uh, undersea, uh, uh, underwater divers, um,

04:04:00.640 when there's a pressure differential, if there's enough pressure, um, there's pipes,

04:04:04.780 right?

04:04:04.960 And if there's a, uh, like there's different ways this can occur, but basically you can

04:04:09.900 get like sucked into a pipe and just basically your body can be, um, imploded in like half

04:04:15.480 a millisecond.

04:04:16.320 I think the gender gap there is pretty significant.

04:04:19.860 Um, more likely to work outside in the heat or cold gap. 0.88

04:04:23.000 Um, more likely to work undesirable, disgusting, and dirt, dirty jobs gap. 0.97

04:04:27.860 More likely to die at war. 0.72

04:04:29.200 Uh, so I mean, there's all kinds of gaps.

04:04:31.140 Are those gaps due to sexism against men?

04:04:35.960 Um, well, I think all this whole conversation of feminism and sexism is based on history.

04:04:41.960 In history, there were those gender roles where the men went to war, the men worked those 1.00

04:04:45.580 hard jobs, the women stayed home. 1.00

04:04:46.700 Still do.

04:04:47.100 Right, sure.

04:04:48.380 But the reason that women started going to school, learning to read, started even working 1.00

04:04:54.460 as teachers and, and going to law school and all that was because of one feminist. 1.00

04:04:59.780 No, it wasn't.

04:05:01.420 Then what was it?

04:05:02.020 No, it wasn't.

04:05:02.720 Well, it was a series of women who did that. 1.00

04:05:04.480 And most women at the time didn't want to vote. 1.00

04:05:07.800 I don't mean one individual person.

04:05:09.300 I rescind that.

04:05:10.080 But it was a group of feminists that pushed for women. 1.00

04:05:13.840 Most women didn't want it. 1.00

04:05:15.580 Most women didn't want the vote. 1.00

04:05:16.920 But feminism is allowing, it's, it's moving towards equality. 1.00

04:05:22.420 It's allowing people to do what they please.

04:05:25.820 So it's saying that if a woman wanted to get educated, that she was allowed to go get educated,

04:05:30.360 the same as a man.

04:05:31.560 It's not denying her the opportunity.

04:05:33.660 So you're saying that women can't get educated? 1.00

04:05:36.160 That's not what I'm saying.

04:05:37.040 Well, what's interesting about the education argument is since the 1980s, more women have 1.00

04:05:42.220 been going to college.

04:05:43.160 That's 40 years now.

04:05:45.220 Is it, is it due to sexism or is there, is there like this misandry against men in society

04:05:51.680 now?

04:05:51.880 Because I'm at UCSB, I suspect the, the breakdown is it's 60, 40, 60% women, 40% men.

04:05:58.920 Is UCSB, the school you guys go to, is it a deeply sexist institution?

04:06:03.660 Because there are, it's the 20% more women going to that. 1.00

04:06:08.400 That's not equal.

04:06:10.620 Well, I don't think equal opportunity necessarily means that everything that we see is 50, 50.

04:06:16.260 There are some schools that accept more men than women.

04:06:18.740 There are some schools that just said that.

04:06:19.700 Actually, no.

04:06:20.720 Like across globally and certainly in the U.S., there's at almost any institution, the

04:06:27.480 women outnumber the men. 1.00

04:06:29.400 But you just said equal though.

04:06:31.080 That's why you said equality for women. 0.99

04:06:32.340 And that's what feminism is all about. 1.00

04:06:33.520 It's giving them the same opportunities.

04:06:35.500 But they have the same opportunities.

04:06:36.780 Now they do.

04:06:37.220 And in many cases, they far exceeded.

04:06:38.920 But I'm talking about.

04:06:39.700 Do you think that maybe your brain is a little bit poisoned by the fact that like a lot of

04:06:45.260 women just complain a lot about this when actually they've got a pretty good lot in life? 1.00

04:06:49.800 I'm not saying our life is bad.

04:06:51.040 I'm explaining that I'm a feminist because I supported all the work that it took to get 0.95

04:06:54.980 here.

04:06:55.740 To get where?

04:06:56.780 To get to equal rights.

04:06:59.020 So you do think you have equal rights?

04:07:00.800 Yeah.

04:07:01.120 Right.

04:07:01.560 That was never my argument.

04:07:02.980 My argument, you guys were asking why I'm like.

04:07:04.500 But you were literally just saying that you want women to be 50-50 in corporate jobs. 0.51

04:07:08.380 Do you think that now that we've told you this, do you think that that's kind of a ridiculous 0.91

04:07:11.620 position?

04:07:12.200 I didn't say that I want women to be 50-50 in corporate jobs.

04:07:15.060 I was talking about how in corporate positions you said that men have these interests.

04:07:19.340 They have more interest in these manly things.

04:07:21.680 Yes.

04:07:22.020 Investing this and this.

04:07:22.860 And I'm saying I'm seeing a change in that.

04:07:25.020 I'm seeing that the majority of the women I know are looking into STEM, are looking into 0.98

04:07:28.280 that, that times are changing and that feminism means that we have the opportunity to. 1.00

04:07:33.340 But if you look at all of the, if you look at like the literature on this in terms of behavioral

04:07:37.300 psychology, women are biologically more interested in people whilst men are biologically more 0.98

04:07:43.540 interested in things.

04:07:44.600 Okay.

04:07:44.720 Women are more nurturing, whereas men are more inclined to be protectors and providers.

04:07:49.060 Sure.

04:07:49.360 So we're going to go into those more high paying jobs.

04:07:52.020 And that's why throughout history, that's how it's been.

04:07:54.600 But feminism is about women that want to pursue the same careers as men having those opportunities 1.00

04:08:01.860 because we didn't always have those opportunities.

04:08:04.500 Can I ask, like Brian just showed you a bunch of videos of men out on oil rigs and getting

04:08:09.600 smashed about by waves.

04:08:10.840 Do you think that it's kind of ridiculous that there's a movement of women saying that they

04:08:14.340 want 50-50 and equal treatment in the top air-conditioned corporate offices when men 0.97

04:08:18.380 are out here literally dying at work every single day?

04:08:21.540 But those men also have a decision.

04:08:23.920 They chose to apply to those jobs.

04:08:25.600 Yeah.

04:08:25.620 And women don't want to go near it with a 10-foot pole. 1.00

04:08:28.260 Okay.

04:08:28.560 That's their decision.

04:08:29.580 Sure.

04:08:29.960 But feminism is about allowing those decisions. 1.00

04:08:31.840 Feminism is about getting what you want when it's convenient for you. 1.00

04:08:35.140 It's preferential treatment.

04:08:36.160 It's about usurping men when it really, at the bottom rungs, they'll never, ever go

04:08:42.540 for those business.

04:08:43.380 I disagree.

04:08:44.160 To bring this back a little bit to dating, and it's related to the wage gap stuff, I

04:08:48.320 want to go around the table, and I think your answer was you prefer a guy to pay on the

04:08:54.120 first date, correct?

04:08:55.400 And you said there wouldn't be a second date if the guy didn't pay for the first date,

04:08:59.120 correct?

04:09:00.280 Hold on.

04:09:00.700 Hold on.

04:09:01.380 Oh, my God, bro. 1.00

04:09:03.940 These softy feminist asses would not last two seconds in these extremely physical, dirty, 1.00

04:09:09.800 tough jobs. 1.00

04:09:11.040 Get your equal pay asses in a sewer, oil rig, coal mine. 0.98

04:09:15.600 No? 0.99

04:09:16.220 Yeah.

04:09:16.840 I thought so. 1.00

04:09:18.280 Fuck out of here. 1.00

04:09:19.240 Oh, wow. 1.00

04:09:19.740 Okay.

04:09:20.060 LPE coming in with some...

04:09:23.200 Huh? 1.00

04:09:24.240 Loose pussy energy is like the response to small dick energy, I guess? 1.00

04:09:29.140 Anyways, so going around the table, let's say you go on a date with a guy, and he asks 0.99

04:09:35.900 you out, and he says, you know, you go get dinner, and the check comes, or he tells the

04:09:41.220 waiter, oh, let's split.

04:09:43.260 He wants to split the bill.

04:09:44.720 Will there be a second date?

04:09:45.920 Would you prefer, and would you prefer if he paid for it?

04:09:49.260 If I really liked him, I wouldn't mind who paid.

04:09:52.220 But would you prefer the guy to pay?

04:09:54.300 I mean, if he could, yeah.

04:09:57.760 But if he, like...

04:09:58.640 So you wouldn't ditch the date if he only had a penny in his bank account?

04:10:01.360 What about you?

04:10:02.000 I said earlier today that, yeah, paying for a first date or flowers for me isn't a huge

04:10:10.160 deal.

04:10:10.740 It would be something that, like, I...

04:10:12.580 It would possibly raise something in my head to consider, and I would think about it, but

04:10:16.800 it wouldn't be, like, the end all.

04:10:18.360 Oh, okay.

04:10:20.380 But you would like it, right?

04:10:23.820 Have you...

04:10:24.340 You've been on dates, though, right?

04:10:26.260 Of the dates you've been on, do you know how many first dates you've been on?

04:10:30.600 10, 20, maybe?

04:10:32.760 Like, where someone has properly asked me on a date.

04:10:35.060 Like, you went out to go get food with a guy.

04:10:36.980 Okay.

04:10:38.960 10, 20, 30, 40, 50?

04:10:40.760 10.

04:10:41.280 10-ish.

04:10:42.200 Okay.

04:10:42.680 Has the guy, more often than not, has the guy paid for the date?

04:10:45.600 Um, yeah, if he asked me on the date, yes.

04:10:48.900 What about you?

04:10:49.340 More often than not, Kayla, more often than not, has the guy paid for the date?

04:10:53.220 Way more often.

04:10:54.640 Have you ever paid for a first date?

04:10:56.820 I think so, yeah.

04:10:57.600 Okay.

04:10:57.840 What about you?

04:10:58.720 Have I ever paid for a first date?

04:11:00.520 Yeah.

04:11:00.980 And then...

04:11:01.280 No.

04:11:02.200 But...

04:11:02.480 What do you want?

04:11:03.200 Do you prefer the guy to pay for the first date?

04:11:05.800 Prefer, yes, but if...

04:11:07.240 Would there be a second date if he doesn't?

04:11:08.500 If the situation that you said, if they were, like, and the bill came in, they're like, oh,

04:11:12.000 let's split it, if they were in guy or girl, I mean, this is because, again, bisexuality, 1.00

04:11:18.520 that on any date, if someone, even if it's not romantic, honestly, if a friend invites

04:11:23.180 me out to, like, if I get invited out and they're saying, oh, like, then I kind of do

04:11:28.480 have a slight expectation.

04:11:31.060 Burns donated $200.

04:11:31.700 Yo, Burns, thank you, man.

04:11:32.740 Appreciate it.

04:11:33.840 Women only want equal rights when it benefits them either draft or physical standards in 1.00

04:11:38.820 such things like the military.

04:11:40.320 Well, there's definitely a saying, and it goes, feminist until the check comes, but 1.00

04:11:44.140 so, short, quick answer, you prefer the...

04:11:48.940 Prefer, yes, but I wouldn't say no to a second date, no.

04:11:52.000 What about you?

04:11:53.040 I think whoever did the asking should pay.

04:11:55.940 Have you ever asked a guy out?

04:11:57.240 Yes.

04:11:57.520 On a date?

04:11:57.980 Okay, that's fair.

04:11:59.800 You do realize, though, just in response to that, most men very rarely, almost never

04:12:07.820 will get asked out by a woman.

04:12:10.120 I know.

04:12:10.860 Right, so I mean, but to say whoever should pay, it's basically, your answer is essentially

04:12:17.020 men should pay.

04:12:18.320 But my answer, I said that, saying that I have asked a guy out on a date.

04:12:22.620 Sure, but we should also acknowledge that while you're perhaps an outlier, it really

04:12:28.020 is very rare.

04:12:28.740 I wanted $100.

04:12:30.720 Theme of the night, if I like him enough, he can do whatever he wants to me.

04:12:35.480 Your fathers must be missing from your lives.

04:12:38.800 Yo, Nickelodeon, dude, I haven't seen you in a while, man.

04:12:40.980 Hey, welcome back.

04:12:41.620 Thank you for the patronage, man.

04:12:42.920 Appreciate it.

04:12:44.200 Theme of the night.

04:12:45.720 Well put, sir.

04:12:46.460 Okay.

04:12:47.440 And you?

04:12:48.360 I prefer him to pay on the first date.

04:12:50.000 And you said if he doesn't pay for the first date, there won't be a second date.

04:12:53.860 Yeah, if a guy asks you on a date, I think he should pay.

04:12:57.200 Okay, what about you?

04:12:59.120 I would prefer it, but I don't mind splitting.

04:13:01.840 Okay.

04:13:03.440 I will split, and I don't, it's not going to change my opinion about, like, I will date

04:13:08.940 him for the second date.

04:13:09.860 Sure.

04:13:10.340 So we've heard some women here, some women say, well, what's up?

04:13:15.360 About the equal pay thing, I just want to put in a fun point.

04:13:18.240 I don't know if you saw that comment earlier about the man, some guy posted about equal

04:13:22.240 pay, that they were, like, the reverse, that they want equal pay for only fans, and, which

04:13:28.700 is really interesting at a point that I never really thought about.

04:13:31.700 If we want equal pay, well, then that's equal for them to come up, too, not just women to 1.00

04:13:36.420 rise, but.

04:13:37.020 Yeah.

04:13:38.260 Okay.

04:13:38.860 And I thought about that industry, just wanted to share that out there.

04:13:40.880 Yeah, I think there should be more representation, you know, okay, anyways, well, the point,

04:13:44.500 the point I'm trying to get at here is, some of you said, well, you know, you'd, you'd maybe

04:13:51.520 be okay with it if, you know, the guy split the bill, maybe you wouldn't even mind, but

04:13:55.280 you did hear some of the girls' answers who said they either strongly prefer the guy to

04:13:58.400 pay, or there wouldn't be a second date. 0.66

04:14:00.680 Now, let's assume in the general population that 30% of women, there, if the guy doesn't 1.00

04:14:06.760 pay, there won't be a second date. 0.58

04:14:08.060 30% of women, right? 1.00

04:14:09.200 Let's assume that's the number.

04:14:10.600 Perhaps it's more, perhaps it's less.

04:14:11.920 Perhaps, that's still a very large portion of women, right? 1.00

04:14:14.880 Now, I think there's a whole lot of factors that impact the supposed, supposed wage gap,

04:14:23.520 earnings gap, whatever you want to call it.

04:14:25.740 A lot of factors, you know, hours worked, the professions that are pursued by various

04:14:30.400 individuals, the willingness to take hazardous and dirty jobs.

04:14:35.600 The more, men, for example, are more like, more willing to relocate for a job.

04:14:39.360 Men are more likely to work nights.

04:14:41.840 Men are more likely to work overtime.

04:14:44.580 But let's remove all of that.

04:14:46.480 Let's just say, let's just look at what I like to call a mating pressure. 0.56

04:14:52.440 Now, I think finding love, finding a partner is one of the most important things that a

04:14:57.640 lot of us will do in our lifetime.

04:14:59.300 If there is a mating pressure from 30% of the population that demands that the men be providers

04:15:06.360 in the relationship and demands that men pay for first dates, wouldn't that, even on its 0.55

04:15:11.260 own, remove all these other variables I listed, the mating pressure that women place on men 1.00

04:15:16.820 to be providers, to pay for dates?

04:15:18.680 She said she wouldn't go on a second date with the guy if he didn't pay. 0.95

04:15:22.440 Wouldn't that, in and of itself, explain why men make more money? 0.52

04:15:26.400 Because you, as women, put pressure on men to make more money. 1.00

04:15:33.820 Is that a checkmate?

04:15:34.940 I don't know.

04:15:35.700 I'd agree with that.

04:15:36.540 And also, we don't care about how much money you guys make.

04:15:39.060 So there's no mating pressure for you guys.

04:15:41.160 Whereas for us, it's an immense pressure.

04:15:43.560 But there is a whole pressure.

04:15:45.540 If we slept with too many people, then...

04:15:47.660 Yeah, yeah.

04:15:48.100 But we're talking about pay gap, though, yeah.

04:15:49.740 We're talking about pay gap, but what about spending's gap?

04:15:52.340 But, oh, women drive 70% to 80% of all consumer purchasing through buying power and influence. 1.00

04:16:01.260 Isn't it also the case that women take far more out of taxes and social service than men do? 1.00

04:16:10.200 I think.

04:16:10.840 I don't know.

04:16:11.220 But, I mean, if the expectation on men is to pay for first dates, and we need to impress

04:16:17.540 you by being able to pay for first dates and provide for you.

04:16:20.460 And let's say there's 30% of women that want to be stay-at-home wives that don't want to 1.00

04:16:25.540 work and want men to be the primary and sole breadwinner. 0.98

04:16:30.900 Wouldn't that sole variable, again, remove all the others I've mentioned, that sole variable

04:16:37.720 just completely explain away the wage gap.

04:16:42.100 Would it be fair to say that men are more motivated to make money than women are because

04:16:47.180 of the mating pressure that women put on men?

04:16:52.460 I would say it's a factor.

04:16:54.720 I would say it's a major, major factor.

04:16:56.980 What about the fact that, like, our primary reason to be on this earth is to reproduce?

04:17:01.620 Oh, yeah.

04:17:01.960 That's biological.

04:17:02.600 Every single fiber of our being wants to reproduce.

04:17:05.460 I also have another one that just occurred to me.

04:17:07.960 So, you mentioned, like, men occupy higher positions of power.

04:17:12.580 That also happens to be really well-paid, right?

04:17:15.280 So, do you think women are attracted to high-status men?

04:17:21.620 Like, famous musicians, professional athletes, actors, or men who are at the top of their, like,

04:17:29.200 if they're at the top of their profession.

04:17:31.260 Like, women find high-status attractive. 0.99

04:17:33.440 They find men who have prestigious jobs attractive.

04:17:37.800 Yes, but that also is because it becomes, it comes with ambition.

04:17:41.840 If a man is up there in a rank, he's, like, doing so well, it's because he's ambitious,

04:17:46.140 because he's talented, he's driven.

04:17:47.660 It comes with all these good qualities that embody, like, getting to that high-top pattern.

04:17:52.240 Sure.

04:17:52.480 So, I have a question.

04:17:53.460 Okay.

04:17:53.820 So, do you guys know Drake?

04:17:56.020 Yes.

04:17:56.360 Just his looks, like, remove his status, remove his fame, remove his wealth, looks-wise.

04:18:03.860 Would you agree he's, like, an average-looking guy?

04:18:05.800 He's not, like, remarkably physically attractive.

04:18:08.580 Yeah, I agree.

04:18:09.660 Now, question.

04:18:10.620 If you put Drake in, like, a nightclub or a bar, and, like, there's a coat, like, a hundred women 1.00

04:18:16.360 who are, like, trying to pursue a guy, and then there's, like, a really good-looking guy,

04:18:20.840 but he has no status, he has no money, and you put Drake in a bar, nightclub, whatever,

04:18:27.800 do you think women are going to be, like, pining over that, like, really attractive guy?

04:18:31.520 Or, they might, but do you think, like, if they could pick, do you think they'd rather

04:18:36.040 get with, like, the really high, with Drake?

04:18:39.900 I'm trying to think, maybe there's a better answer than Drake here, but.

04:18:42.760 Forza Horizon 5 donated $100.

04:18:46.120 A woman working a nine-to-five job is definitely unattractive. 1.00

04:18:50.840 Oh, I mean, I don't know about that, but.

04:18:53.880 So, what do you guys think?

04:18:56.120 Like, who are the women going to gravitate towards? 1.00

04:19:01.200 I think the cute guy with no money, no job.

04:19:04.120 You think so?

04:19:04.620 Whatever, is just not marriage material, which is not my type.

04:19:10.820 That's, okay, that's fair.

04:19:15.560 Can I ask?

04:19:16.620 Nobody wants to answer the question?

04:19:17.980 Is that true on the flip?

04:19:19.700 What do, is that attractive to you guys for us to be in high-ranking jobs or not?

04:19:24.420 Okay, let me, here, let me change it up.

04:19:26.120 So, you've got Drake, like, average-looking guy, but, like, super wealthy, one of the most

04:19:29.780 famous rappers.

04:19:30.860 That's a good one.

04:19:32.460 Very high status.

04:19:35.240 I shouldn't frame it as what you're going to pick.

04:19:37.800 Do you think there's going to be more women pursuing him than pursuing, like, just that 0.61

04:19:42.860 normal, but, like, good-looking, much more good-looking guy?

04:19:46.780 Her ego will, yes.

04:19:49.080 The better-looking guy?

04:19:50.420 We'll go after Drake.

04:19:52.020 Okay.

04:19:52.380 Yeah, to add on to that, I feel like it's more because, oh, my God, I could pull Drake

04:19:56.740 versus, like, oh, my God, I want Drake.

04:19:59.360 Okay.

04:19:59.560 It's more of, like, if this person, if this high status is attracted to me, I get validation

04:20:04.560 through that.

04:20:05.820 Sure.

04:20:06.260 That's, like, imagine, like, a supermodel comes up to you and she's, like, super into you.

04:20:10.260 Like, wouldn't you be into her because she's pretty? 1.00

04:20:11.720 Yes.

04:20:12.240 But you would also get the validation that a supermodel, like, Cindy Crawford, is into 0.95

04:20:16.040 you. 1.00

04:20:16.360 Some of them supermodels be goofy looking like another fucking line. 1.00

04:20:19.740 It would be validation, yes, but, like, you wouldn't look twice at them for, like, a relationship. 0.99

04:20:25.320 One of those girls who's just been around all the time.

04:20:27.160 Wait, but so just to finish my point here, now, if you do the reverse, right, let's say,

04:20:31.740 like, let's put Beyonce in a club and then you have, like, a 21-year-old, like, stunning 0.58

04:20:40.400 girl, but who's got, like, 100 followers on Instagram, broke, no money, no singing chops,

04:20:47.920 but she's, like, extremely beautiful.

04:20:51.440 I would argue most, and assume Beyonce is single, right?

04:20:55.120 But most of the guys in that club, despite Beyonce's insane status and success and wealth,

04:21:01.260 most guys would pursue the beautiful 21-year-old nobody over Beyonce. 1.00

04:21:06.940 And I'd say...

04:21:07.720 Over Beyonce?

04:21:08.580 No way.

04:21:08.840 And over Beyonce. 1.00

04:21:10.160 No way.

04:21:11.140 Listen, listen, listen, listen.

04:21:12.680 Like, rich women? 1.00

04:21:13.300 No, no, no.

04:21:13.980 No.

04:21:14.400 They don't, like, and it's also because of her status. 1.00

04:21:17.420 That's a headache for us.

04:21:18.540 I don't want a girl who's out there in the bright lights and, like, on, like, shooting 1.00

04:21:22.880 music videos all the time and traveling all the time.

04:21:24.900 Well, then that's insecurity.

04:21:26.100 Yeah.

04:21:26.620 That's you being insecure.

04:21:27.760 Why is it insecure?

04:21:28.760 Why do you have a problem with a woman being in a spotlight? 1.00

04:21:31.100 And does that take away your spotlight?

04:21:33.240 It's not about taking away my spotlight.

04:21:35.420 It's just the fact that you want a humble, modest woman.

04:21:37.880 You don't want a woman who's running around and just out in the streets all the time and 1.00

04:21:41.800 traveling all the time.

04:21:42.620 You want a woman who's kind of a part of your frame rather than doing her thing all the time. 1.00

04:21:47.360 So you want her to be a part of your life versus having, like, her own life?

04:21:51.000 Absolutely.

04:21:51.460 Because one day she's going to have children and I want her to focus on the children. 0.98

04:21:54.600 I see.

04:21:54.920 I don't want her to be focusing on career.

04:21:56.580 I don't want her to be focusing on travel, anything like that.

04:21:58.900 I want her to be focusing on children and family.

04:22:00.800 I guess that's just...

04:22:01.600 So you want her to just sit home or you want her to be, like, a working... 1.00

04:22:04.160 Yeah.

04:22:04.820 See, I think it's funny when people say things like, do you want her to just sit home?

04:22:08.940 Do you think that that's, like, an innocuous task, having children?

04:22:12.380 No, I didn't say that.

04:22:13.880 I'm just saying, like, you said, like, a girl going out.

04:22:18.020 So if a girl is going on work, then also people are going to look at her, you know?

04:22:21.740 Yeah, so I wouldn't look for that.

04:22:23.040 Do you want a girl to be just sitting, like, being a housewife or a girl being, like, out working? 0.99

04:22:28.260 No, housewife. 0.99

04:22:29.340 Housewife. 0.88

04:22:30.480 Yeah.

04:22:30.880 That's weird.

04:22:31.600 Well, and it's weird because you're looking at it through the prism of a woman.

04:22:34.360 You're looking at it as a woman who wants a man to be working. 1.00

04:22:37.180 Whereas when we look at women, it doesn't really matter to us. 0.77

04:22:40.000 If you're not...

04:22:40.780 And what if she want to work? 0.99

04:22:42.360 If she wants to work, she can.

04:22:43.740 Absolutely.

04:22:44.240 And then they're going to be the same problem.

04:22:45.260 The insecurities and everything, like...

04:22:46.800 What do you mean insecurities?

04:22:47.880 That's what you said.

04:22:49.120 She's going to go out and a lot of people are going to see her and save insecurities.

04:22:53.220 I'm not talking about seeing you from day to day.

04:22:55.600 I'm talking about being a celebrity.

04:22:57.220 That would be just a headache.

04:22:58.340 I wouldn't want that.

04:22:58.960 If she is beautiful, I think then also it's got a problem at the work too.

04:23:01.940 If she is beautiful...

04:23:02.220 Well, look, ideally...

04:23:04.220 She can take a plan from anywhere.

04:23:05.720 Ideally, what you'd like is a woman who just works part-time but then focuses on the kids. 1.00

04:23:09.520 But if she's got something she's passionate about, that's a good thing.

04:23:11.360 You want them to have hobbies and to be interesting and have lots of interests, but you don't necessarily

04:23:16.520 want them to be working nine to five and going every day to work because then it neglects

04:23:21.800 the children and the children have to go to childcare.

04:23:23.780 So you want like a part-time job for her and that's okay for you, right?

04:23:27.160 A part-time job would be okay, but ideally not.

04:23:29.440 So it really is a turn-off if a woman wants like a tedious job, like a time-consuming job 1.00

04:23:34.680 or a job where she's in the spot. 1.00

04:23:35.780 Why would she want that?

04:23:37.440 Why would you want that?

04:23:38.660 What do you mean?

04:23:39.160 She has a right to... 0.99

04:23:40.520 I know she's got a right to, but why would you want that though?

04:23:45.440 If your husband earns enough money for you to not have to go to work, why would you want

04:23:49.880 to go to work if your husband says you don't have to work?

04:23:52.700 Well, for me, I want to pursue a career in something that I'm passionate for.

04:23:55.900 For example, in the beginning, I told you guys I wanted to study immunology and become

04:24:00.180 a professor.

04:24:00.880 It takes a lot of time, you know?

04:24:02.100 That's time-consuming.

04:24:03.620 But that's what I'm passionate about.

04:24:05.320 And you know, like that's what I want to do.

04:24:07.040 Like I have so much passion for this in this lifetime and I understand men would feel the

04:24:11.920 same.

04:24:12.260 I would feel like they'd do the same way.

04:24:12.840 That's good though.

04:24:13.280 That's your prerogative and that's no problem.

04:24:15.840 But you guys were looking around like I was strange because I said I wanted a woman who

04:24:19.020 didn't want to have a career.

04:24:21.080 Why is my preference strange but yours is not?

04:24:23.560 Because I think it suppresses a woman's urges. 1.00

04:24:25.780 But if you find a woman... 0.99

04:24:26.920 Do you think that a woman has an urge to have children and to raise those children? 1.00

04:24:30.340 Yes.

04:24:30.900 Okay.

04:24:31.220 So I don't think it suppresses the urges.

04:24:32.660 I think it frees her to have children.

04:24:34.560 I want to add to this.

04:24:35.700 And I do want to say I actually have no issue if women want to pursue a career. 1.00

04:24:43.140 I don't object to it.

04:24:45.080 I think...

04:24:45.780 I don't think Jake does either.

04:24:48.100 I think...

04:24:48.380 But from a dating perspective, and I kind of stepped away there for a second, I don't

04:24:53.160 think a woman's career, her ambition, how much money she makes for me and I think for

04:25:00.820 perhaps a lot of men, I don't think most men really find it more attractive. 0.99

04:25:07.440 Now, I do want to just add a caveat here so you don't think I'm a raging asshole. 0.95

04:25:12.820 I actually am very much in favor of women, for example, going into STEM. 0.95

04:25:16.120 I actually think it's a very useful career path because, for example, take cancer, for

04:25:26.320 example, or take various diseases that we don't have solutions to yet.

04:25:29.920 I think we should be throwing all of our intellectual vigor at these problems, whether that is a man,

04:25:36.960 women, or both. 0.99

04:25:38.140 I think we should be using the...

04:25:41.120 I don't know, exploiting is not the right term.

04:25:43.620 Well, we should be exploiting the intellectual power of everyone that we can to solve these

04:25:50.920 problems, which I do think eventually will have a solution.

04:25:54.020 I think everyone here has probably known somebody who's had cancer or has a family member who's

04:25:59.600 had cancer or some sort of disease.

04:26:01.660 So I'm very much in favor, actually, of women getting into STEM so we can tackle these, you 0.91

04:26:08.700 know, various ailments that people eventually come across.

04:26:12.140 But from a purely romantic perspective, I don't think men really care all that much about

04:26:19.020 a woman's income or her success. 0.52

04:26:21.960 I'd care more about her having interests, the thing that she's passionate about.

04:26:25.800 And if she's running a little business that's operating at a loss and that keeps her happy 0.93

04:26:29.560 and interested, I'm happy with that.

04:26:31.900 But having a nine to five job while you're trying to raise children, for me, it wouldn't

04:26:36.580 be something that I'd like because you'd want them to be focused on the children.

04:26:40.220 And I think that a lot of guys have that preference, but they're sort of not allowed to say it these

04:26:44.460 days because then they get all the women who jump down their throat and say, oh, you 0.94

04:26:47.100 want us to be, you know, chained up to an oven?

04:26:49.780 No.

04:26:50.780 There are a lot of women out there who hear that and think, yes, I would love to do that. 1.00

04:26:55.140 I would love to just be a mother.

04:26:56.360 I'd love to stay home.

04:26:57.440 But then there's always this reaction when we say that where people sort of, especially,

04:27:02.740 no offense, but women who consider themselves feminists, they get like up in arms about it. 1.00

04:27:06.940 And there's a lot of women who love that, who want that. 1.00

04:27:10.380 Thank you, Super Gym Photography.

04:27:12.120 Yeah, please go.

04:27:12.640 10 subs on Twitch.

04:27:13.280 Thank you.

04:27:13.700 So like when a woman is pregnant to the like first year like of the baby, still she feeds

04:27:20.400 the baby.

04:27:20.980 I got it like she can stay home and she needs the proper care and kids need that to be like 0.85

04:27:26.260 mom to be around.

04:27:27.360 But I think it should be on the man to like equally taking care of the kids.

04:27:31.680 No, not during child rearing, not during the infancy of the child.

04:27:36.520 Why do you do that?

04:27:37.160 Because the child's attached to its mother.

04:27:38.960 It's biology.

04:27:39.700 The child needs its mother's teeth for milk. 0.96

04:27:41.880 I got it for one year.

04:27:43.580 A baby is feeding.

04:27:44.700 Okay, the mom has to be closed. 0.81

04:27:46.000 But I think it's equal responsibility.

04:27:47.960 It gets all you together.

04:27:49.800 Put it this way.

04:27:50.820 Do you see what's happening in the schools these days?

04:27:53.020 What's going on?

04:27:54.060 I'm teaching like...

04:27:54.680 Do you see the kinds of things that they're teaching in schools these days?

04:27:57.520 What they are teaching?

04:27:57.840 Or in preschools.

04:27:58.680 They've got all kinds of different nefarious flags hanging up around the preschools where

04:28:02.660 they're indoctrinating little kids into different ideologies.

04:28:05.560 Okay, so if you're somebody who has certain conservative values like I do, I do not want

04:28:10.080 my kids being shipped off.

04:28:11.160 I want them to have my values.

04:28:12.660 So I want them to be at home with my wife, potentially even being homeschooled, depending

04:28:16.540 on how bad this stuff gets.

04:28:17.780 You didn't get my point.

04:28:18.820 I'm trying to say it's like you are reducing her working hours because you want her to focus

04:28:23.960 on kids.

04:28:25.320 But I think it's your equal...

04:28:26.080 I'm not reducing her...

04:28:26.920 Listen, I'm not reducing her working hours.

04:28:29.260 She won't want to work. 0.91

04:28:32.000 Do you think that that's like crazy that a woman wouldn't want to work? 0.80

04:28:34.400 Can I speak to that?

04:28:34.620 And there's nannies too that can stay home with you. 0.95

04:28:36.820 No, I don't want a nanny raising my kid. 1.00

04:28:38.200 No, no, no.

04:28:38.760 I don't want a nanny raising my kid. 1.00

04:28:39.720 I mean, I don't either.

04:28:41.280 I think there's a complete honesty to that.

04:28:43.000 I think I used to, a few years ago, or the last maybe two years, I would have been

04:28:48.940 this more, I still wouldn't call myself a feminist, but I had a wall up against men, and I was

04:28:55.360 a little angry about some things that I went through.

04:28:58.520 And so I was, I was like, I'm independent.

04:29:02.720 I can be.

04:29:03.240 I can be very independent.

04:29:04.420 I have been for the last few years.

04:29:05.800 I've been by myself, been doing my own thing, taking care of myself.

04:29:09.180 And it wasn't until this year that that is flipping for me, and that I have realized

04:29:13.860 that I have worn myself out.

04:29:15.780 I don't want to be like this anymore.

04:29:17.280 I mean, I want to be able to take care of myself, and now I know I can take care of myself,

04:29:21.600 but I do want that.

04:29:23.620 Well, I mean, once you get-

04:29:24.080 To be able to go into our feminine is to be able to be taken care of.

04:29:26.620 Once you get a little bit older, towards the wall, that they call it, that's when you

04:29:30.440 start seeking masculine guidance more.

04:29:32.460 Yeah, and it is interesting that it kind of is flipping, that it used to be that way, and

04:29:36.540 when I went very feminine forward, and it is kind of going back into-

04:29:38.860 The reason why it is that way, though, is because the indoctrination is so vast that

04:29:43.720 it's like, you're fighting me about saying that you're going to reduce your wife's working

04:29:47.440 hours.

04:29:47.880 I'm not fighting with you, very first thing.

04:29:49.520 It's like, I'm just putting my opinion, like-

04:29:51.040 No, no, no, but you're saying to me, you're going to reduce her working hours.

04:29:54.200 No, that's-

04:29:54.700 As if like, that's a bad thing.

04:29:56.340 No, it's a very basic thing, like I would say, kid needs like both, mom and dad, both.

04:30:03.120 You want a mother to take care of the kids and focus on them, on the values, and they 0.62

04:30:07.100 should not feel alone, everything, cultural value, whatever you want to put in the kid.

04:30:12.100 But I think it's from the both sides, it should be from the both sides.

04:30:16.900 Not only like from the mother, it should be like from the father as well.

04:30:21.000 It's the father's job to provide for his family.

04:30:23.400 But yeah, she's working too.

04:30:24.080 The emotional support of the child and the love of the child needs to come from the mother.

04:30:27.240 That's what you think.

04:30:28.020 I guess, I guess, I guess throughout history from time immemorial is all wrong.

04:30:36.560 And it's actually the women who are the providers after all, and men are the neutral. 0.95

04:30:39.620 We are not saying that it's equal, like you have a wife, or like I have a partner.

04:30:44.300 So I want to get married when I will be in the equal status, like I will be having a 0.97

04:30:48.260 good job or my business is good, whatever.

04:30:50.460 Would you want to work full time when you're pregnant? 1.00

04:30:52.820 No, I didn't say that.

04:30:54.060 Listen to me first, what I'm trying to say.

04:30:55.840 So while you're not equal though, because your wife, your husband is going to be the 0.97

04:30:58.840 provider.

04:30:59.660 If you can be pregnant. 0.69

04:31:00.560 That's what I am saying.

04:31:01.120 Like at, at what time when there is no equality, I, I'm saying you can't be, you are not pregnant. 0.99

04:31:06.740 That's why you have to go out and.

04:31:08.240 Exactly.

04:31:08.760 That's why the man needs to be the provider.

04:31:10.120 But what I'm saying is after that, take care of the baby together.

04:31:12.820 What if you're going to have three babies? 0.96

04:31:14.980 So what?

04:31:16.120 So then the man has to be the provider.

04:31:18.120 Because you're going to take time out.

04:31:19.040 If I take it on me, I'm not, I'm not giving birth to three kids.

04:31:21.540 I'm going to be stick to like one or two.

04:31:23.580 Then what?

04:31:24.340 Okay.

04:31:24.660 All right.

04:31:26.320 We can put a couple more, a couple more questions here and we will try to wrap up soon.

04:31:30.480 So, um, I need to read a couple of chats.

04:31:33.000 We have Billiam, the Mars.

04:31:36.380 These ladies would rather be deleted from a home intruder than have a boyfriend with a 1.00

04:31:39.720 gun to protect their lives.

04:31:40.980 LOL.

04:31:41.380 Ladies, quit letting your fear control your lives. 1.00

04:31:44.380 Okay.

04:31:44.780 From Billiam, the Mars.

04:31:47.400 There you have it.

04:31:48.200 Thank you, Billiam.

04:31:49.260 We have one sec here.

04:31:51.460 It's going to come in.

04:31:52.160 Then we have Flan Life.

04:31:54.680 Can Walmart Lord sing us a solo?

04:31:58.320 Who's Lord?

04:31:59.300 I know that Lord Day is, I don't know how to pronounce.

04:32:02.460 Merci beaucoup for the Canadian 50 man.

04:32:04.580 Who's Walmart Lord though?

04:32:06.220 Who's that?

04:32:07.700 What does she look like? 0.94

04:32:08.900 Who looks like her? 0.97

04:32:09.660 What was her song?

04:32:10.800 What was her one hit wonder?

04:32:13.000 Do you know who Lord Day is?

04:32:14.120 I want to be.

04:32:15.580 I want to be.

04:32:17.760 Oh, God.

04:32:18.700 The boy's crying.

04:32:19.320 Okay.

04:32:20.320 All right.

04:32:20.940 Thank you, Flan Life.

04:32:22.000 Erin Chambers.

04:32:23.100 We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the population.

04:32:29.260 Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood.

04:32:31.700 How many of you girls knew that?

04:32:33.200 You condemn her statement, but you won't change your vote.

04:32:36.860 Clever.

04:32:37.520 Okay.

04:32:38.640 Oh, there's something recently from an interesting post on Planned Parenthood's Instagram page

04:32:44.380 that I saw that was interesting.

04:32:48.040 Maybe, Nick, you can find it.

04:32:49.520 It was just a weird billboard.

04:32:50.900 It was about virginity.

04:32:51.800 I thought it was peculiar.

04:32:54.020 Actually, it'll lead up into our last thing, and then we'll hopefully get to wrap.

04:32:57.680 We'll wrap here pretty soon.

04:32:58.760 There's that, that, okay.

04:33:03.180 Nick, can you just pull up there the Planned Parenthood Instagram?

04:33:06.160 It's not related to abortion, guys.

04:33:07.520 Don't worry.

04:33:07.820 We're not going to talk about that.

04:33:12.120 Oh, well done.

04:33:13.180 Can you put us on the other side?

04:33:14.320 Yes.

04:33:15.980 Virginity, a completely made-up concept, a term that was created to control and shame people,

04:33:21.360 mainly women.

04:33:22.820 Your daily reminder that virginity is a social construct, not a medical term.

04:33:28.760 Well, I don't know if people are actually trying to make the argument that virginity is a medical term,

04:33:35.800 so this is a bit of a straw man here, but it's interesting.

04:33:42.380 I don't understand a completely made-up concept.

04:33:47.200 I'm not sure what that means, though.

04:33:50.460 Virginity being a completely made-up concept. 0.95

04:33:52.700 Well, if somebody hasn't had sexual intercourse, then they are virgins. 0.97

04:34:00.020 Huh? 0.77

04:34:01.020 I think, like, yeah, I guess there's a lot of people, like, a very small population, like, nuns and stuff,

04:34:06.760 who, like, will never have sexual encounters.

04:34:08.700 It's a real thing.

04:34:09.320 Yeah, the nuns.

04:34:10.920 The nuns out there.

04:34:11.940 But a term that's created to control and shame people, mainly women, I mean, agree, disagree with that, guys?

04:34:20.320 I think it's definitely made to shame people, yeah.

04:34:23.280 Okay.

04:34:23.640 Shame women, yeah. 1.00

04:34:25.020 Virginity. 0.97

04:34:25.940 But how, so I'm confused.

04:34:27.540 Like, shame women how? 1.00

04:34:29.880 Shame women who are virgins or shame women who are not? 0.99

04:34:32.660 Who are not.

04:34:33.420 Well, then, so it's not a term that was made up to shame women, I mean. 0.96

04:34:39.860 I think it's a silly sign. 0.96

04:34:41.680 What do you mean a silly sign? 0.99

04:34:42.740 Oh, the sign's silly, okay. 0.93

04:34:45.080 It's, yeah, what, any thoughts? 0.95

04:34:48.000 I mean, virgin is a word.

04:34:49.900 It's the factual definition behind virgin is a thing.

04:34:54.480 I do think virginity can be shamed. 0.90

04:34:57.000 Yeah.

04:34:57.140 Well, what I actually interestingly find that's related to virginity is, well, could be related to virginity.

04:35:04.440 I think what they're trying to say is that women are shamed if they're promiscuous or have a high body count or are not virgins.

04:35:12.160 But it occurs to me that men are shamed in sort of this opposite way if men are virgins or men are involuntarily celibate or incels.

04:35:23.280 They tend to get shamed that way.

04:35:27.140 So that's always interesting to me.

04:35:29.300 Any thoughts?

04:35:30.420 I would say women are also shamed for being virgins. 1.00

04:35:32.960 Really?

04:35:33.700 No.

04:35:34.640 But, maybe by who?

04:35:36.820 By feminists.

04:35:37.620 Teased.

04:35:38.800 I have heard women come on the show and they say, yeah, I've heard from women who are like, yeah, I was a virgin or I wasn't really doing hookup culture. 0.99

04:35:45.820 I'd only been with one guy and all my friend group would make fun of me for not, like, having hookups or shamed me for being a virgin, so, which I think is wrong.

04:35:55.680 It's like an expectation, though.

04:35:57.860 It's like if I've told guys, like, this is when I lost my virginity, they're always really surprised.

04:36:03.600 They're like, 19, like, that's crazy.

04:36:06.080 And you're 20, right?

04:36:07.920 I don't think that that's bad.

04:36:10.960 No, I don't think it's bad either.

04:36:12.460 I don't think.

04:36:12.780 But, I'm just saying that's sad. 0.99

04:36:14.420 We got people losing that shit in junior high school and that's a bit young. 0.99

04:36:18.920 Could be a bit young, you know? 1.00

04:36:20.940 At least wait till, like, you know, a little later on.

04:36:24.580 Well, maybe I also, like, women tend to feel shame, maybe, if they're still a virgin later on in life, too.

04:36:33.460 Psy art.

04:36:34.280 It's a psy art.

04:36:34.960 If they're a virgin until later in life.

04:36:36.960 Normally, it's, like, it's because of a religious conviction.

04:36:40.120 You don't really get many girls who aren't religious and waiting till marriage. 1.00

04:36:44.500 Does anyone here a virgin?

04:36:46.800 Any virgins? 1.00

04:36:48.400 Nick?

04:36:49.260 Nick raised his hand. 0.88

04:36:50.400 Okay, no virgins here.

04:36:51.400 Okay.

04:36:51.920 Maddie raised her hand.

04:36:53.220 I don't know about that one.

04:36:54.640 Yeah, well, related to that sign, do you guys, you often hear men preferring women with a low body count or even preferring virgins.

04:37:14.560 Do you think it's, do you object to men caring about a woman's body count?

04:37:19.680 Do you object to that?

04:37:20.700 And if so, why?

04:37:22.080 Starting with.

04:37:22.640 Let it bother me.

04:37:24.000 Apollo Shinoda.

04:37:24.740 Apollo Shinoda donated $100.

04:37:27.580 Thank you, man.

04:37:27.940 Another great EP, Brian.

04:37:30.260 Thanks.

04:37:31.320 The girl in pink is semi-based but needs to read more.

04:37:34.440 Oh.

04:37:34.800 As always, Madison is the only nine present, panel, gender normative roles build the world. 0.95

04:37:40.940 How are they wrong?

04:37:43.540 I still don't get it.

04:37:44.960 Can someone please explain it to me?

04:37:46.840 And it's not readable from here.

04:37:48.380 She said you're semi-based, so it means you're semi-in touch with reality, but you need to read a few more books.

04:37:55.560 And then...

04:37:56.000 Okay.

04:37:57.460 Thank you for that.

04:37:58.800 Yeah.

04:37:59.220 Are you talking about the thing I told, like, I was talking about?

04:38:03.120 I think just, it's like a synopsis of the episode.

04:38:05.980 It's a bit of a cliff notes of your performance.

04:38:08.380 Thank you.

04:38:09.360 It's beautiful.

04:38:11.400 Wait, so, okay, we were going around.

04:38:13.480 Oh, do you object to men caring about body count?

04:38:17.860 No.

04:38:18.580 Okay.

04:38:18.800 It could be a valid, like, it's, if they're triggered by it, then they, they need to communicate it.

04:38:27.140 Like, I don't know.

04:38:28.440 Okay.

04:38:31.100 Am, do I agree with it?

04:38:32.960 Yeah.

04:38:33.580 Or, I don't know.

04:38:37.800 I mean, everyone, I don't know.

04:38:39.880 Say it again.

04:38:41.360 I'm sorry, I'm tired.

04:38:42.140 Do I object to a man having a preference for a woman with a low body count or having a preference for a woman who's a virgin? 0.75

04:38:50.520 Okay, yes.

04:38:50.960 If I was to get with a guy and then I told him my body count and he was to turn me away, then I would object that.

04:38:58.240 And I'd be like, I object.

04:38:59.440 I have other things.

04:39:01.520 So, yes, I guess I object that.

04:39:03.380 Okay.

04:39:04.240 I don't object that.

04:39:05.180 I think you can have a preference.

04:39:07.940 Yeah, no.

04:39:10.000 I don't object it fully.

04:39:11.360 I, but I think your path shouldn't define you and that goes both ways.

04:39:16.420 Okay.

04:39:16.920 I don't object either.

04:39:18.740 Okay.

04:39:19.400 Path shouldn't define you.

04:39:21.680 Uh, okay.

04:39:23.900 Well, I'm curious.

04:39:27.320 What's everyone's body count?

04:39:28.400 Starting with Kayla.

04:39:28.960 Go ahead.

04:39:30.560 Twelve.

04:39:31.720 Okay.

04:39:33.540 Three.

04:39:35.720 More than that.

04:39:37.540 Whoa.

04:39:39.300 You want to give us a range?

04:39:41.360 Between 15 and 20.

04:39:44.200 Okay.

04:39:44.980 Pass.

04:39:45.840 Skip.

04:39:46.940 Five.

04:39:48.720 One.

04:39:50.540 I want to keep it personal.

04:39:53.920 Range?

04:39:54.800 Range?

04:39:55.780 Range?

04:39:56.440 Less than.

04:39:57.040 You want to do a less than?

04:39:58.080 Oh, under five.

04:39:59.120 Like, it's not crazy.

04:40:00.160 That's fair.

04:40:01.540 Under five.

04:40:02.540 Multiply by three and that's the real number.

04:40:05.460 Not mine.

04:40:05.860 I was honest.

04:40:06.640 Whatever your answers were, you got to multiply.

04:40:09.120 Multiply by three and that's the real number.

04:40:10.720 All right, you guys' turn.

04:40:13.160 Body count?

04:40:14.580 Oh, I don't reveal my body count.

04:40:17.020 For guys, it's divide by three.

04:40:19.320 Yeah, it's divide by three for guys.

04:40:22.080 Jake, do you want to reveal?

04:40:23.480 It's between me and the Lord.

04:40:26.080 He did have a ho phase, right? 0.98

04:40:27.460 Did you say you had a ho phase at one point? 0.97

04:40:29.160 You're honest about that.

04:40:30.060 Yeah.

04:40:31.820 It's at least one for me.

04:40:39.000 Okay.

04:40:39.840 Good talk.

04:40:41.380 All right.

04:40:42.160 Last thing.

04:40:43.340 Stifler normally asks this question, but he's not in the chat today.

04:40:46.420 Stifler wants to know, rate yourself on a scale of one to ten.

04:40:52.020 Just your looks.

04:40:53.920 If you had to rate your looks on a scale of one to ten.

04:40:57.060 I know.

04:40:57.660 This is going back to you.

04:40:58.960 Beauty is a bit subjective.

04:41:01.540 Kayla, starting with you.

04:41:02.980 Scale of one to ten.

04:41:03.800 Compared to?

04:41:05.200 Just your own self-assessment of your looks.

04:41:10.840 You can't factor in your personality.

04:41:12.460 You can't factor in how fantastic of a super chat reader you are.

04:41:18.120 You can't factor that in.

04:41:19.940 Okay.

04:41:20.280 Just physical appearance.

04:41:23.080 I'm going to give myself a nine because I feel myself getting prettier and doing things to, you know, look a certain way that I'm heading towards.

04:41:35.100 Getting prettier.

04:41:36.200 Have you had a little jerk-a-smile going on there? 0.97

04:41:38.260 Thank you for telling me.

04:41:40.340 Probably from drinking.

04:41:41.260 Why is that serious? 0.99

04:41:44.740 I do try to joke her a little jerk-a-smile. 0.91

04:41:46.720 It does look kind of good, though. 0.97

04:41:48.980 I ain't hating it.

04:41:50.280 Yeah, now we...

04:41:50.860 She's pretty. 0.99

04:41:51.300 Is it what Joker?

04:41:52.240 Are we talking like the Suicide Squad Joker or like the Heath Ledger Joker?

04:41:56.220 Yeah.

04:41:56.320 Joker, okay.

04:41:57.160 Because I don't know if she's going to get like a... 1.00

04:41:58.860 What's the tattoo he has on his forehead?

04:42:00.480 Anyways.

04:42:02.880 7.5.

04:42:03.940 Okay.

04:42:04.500 That's...

04:42:04.740 My looks match.

04:42:06.720 My body count just keeps going up.

04:42:09.020 So 15 to 20 out of 10.

04:42:11.480 Multiply that.

04:42:13.200 Multiply that.

04:42:13.880 So there's like 60.

04:42:15.360 Okay.

04:42:16.520 Apollo Shinoda.

04:42:17.840 Thank you, sir.

04:42:18.440 $100.

04:42:19.600 Gender normative roles means the man hunts money, provision, etc.

04:42:24.900 And the woman produces offspring, nurtures, etc.

04:42:28.480 Despite recent popular ideas, this is what built the world.

04:42:32.920 Why is this wrong?

04:42:34.600 Exactly right.

04:42:35.820 Exactly right.

04:42:36.800 And we all need to embrace it.

04:42:38.380 It's the yin and yang of the universe.

04:42:40.120 You guys keep looking at each other and laughing.

04:42:41.920 What have you got to say?

04:42:43.300 So do you think men should always pay on the first date?

04:42:45.520 Absolutely.

04:42:46.220 Okay.

04:42:46.460 100%.

04:42:47.100 Okay.

04:42:47.740 And open the door.

04:42:49.520 Flowers.

04:42:50.420 And be taller.

04:42:51.160 Okay.

04:42:51.460 Not flowers.

04:42:52.440 Flowers is a different story.

04:42:53.580 Get the flowers out of here. 1.00

04:42:54.980 Yeah.

04:42:57.420 Do you guys disagree with that?

04:42:59.060 I do.

04:42:59.520 I do.

04:43:00.160 You don't think that there's a yin and yang of the world?

04:43:01.420 I don't think that statement is wrong.

04:43:03.100 I think that's what built the world.

04:43:04.660 But again, what I'm saying, I think feminism allows those that don't want to pursue that 1.00

04:43:08.700 lifestyle to have the opportunity to.

04:43:11.340 Right.

04:43:11.680 Okay.

04:43:11.980 But do you think that there is a natural order to the world and a yin and yang?

04:43:15.040 Yeah.

04:43:15.080 That if adhered to actually create something quite beautiful, a unity?

04:43:18.960 Yeah.

04:43:19.500 But I do feel that a lot of individuals don't feel that.

04:43:22.240 I personally feel that, but I know a lot of women that don't.

04:43:24.480 But we're not talking about the fringes.

04:43:25.980 We're just talking about, in general, that exists.

04:43:28.260 And if somebody wants to embody that in their relationship and their family, surely that's

04:43:32.100 a fine thing.

04:43:32.840 Yeah.

04:43:33.500 Yeah.

04:43:33.880 I notice that every time we say something, you guys look at each other and laugh as if

04:43:36.980 there's something outrageous. 0.90

04:43:37.780 Because of your toxic masculinity, Jake, I will not stand for your toxic masculinity and 0.99

04:43:45.640 your misogyny, sir. 0.99

04:43:48.660 I will not stand for it. 0.92

04:43:50.260 I've been scalded.

04:43:51.120 As a feminist.

04:43:53.220 Get that blue wig on. 0.89

04:43:54.240 Watch out, Jake.

04:43:56.780 Like, it's the really quick thing about the traditional gender roles. 1.00

04:43:59.740 I mean, it's true.

04:44:00.560 Like, I've been to places like Morocco and Albania.

04:44:03.080 You see no women on the streets.

04:44:04.520 They're in their traditional gender roles. 1.00

04:44:06.320 They're rearing the children, you know.

04:44:07.660 But they're like, they have no freedom to even get to do or choose what they...

04:44:11.900 But I'm not talking about Muslim countries. 0.52

04:44:13.840 Okay.

04:44:14.460 I'm talking about more of, like, the biblical patriarchy.

04:44:17.800 And, you know, the masculine and feminine order of the world that is embodied in the micro 0.51

04:44:23.400 at the family.

04:44:25.280 We have...

04:44:26.080 Long hair, don't care, donated $100.

04:44:28.880 Jesus Christ.

04:44:29.560 Ladies, rate your BJ 1 to 10. 1.00

04:44:32.100 Well, we haven't gone...

04:44:33.340 We will do it, but we...

04:44:34.500 We haven't gone around fully on the looks one.

04:44:37.800 So, I guess we'll do looks.

04:44:39.000 We also have...

04:44:39.920 Wait.

04:44:45.240 I don't know what I'm saying.

04:44:46.380 I don't know what I'm saying.

04:44:56.880 Okay.

04:44:58.040 Wait.

04:44:58.520 So, we'll go around rating 1 to 10, then we'll do his.

04:45:02.200 What do you have your looks on what's scale of 1 to 10?

04:45:03.980 I'd give myself a 7 and a half.

04:45:05.460 Okay.

04:45:06.280 I'll pass.

04:45:07.420 Oh.

04:45:08.540 Breaking my heart here.

04:45:10.160 Can't pass.

04:45:13.160 Range?

04:45:13.520 You want to do range?

04:45:14.940 Yeah, between 1 to 10.

04:45:17.960 Okay.

04:45:18.480 All right.

04:45:19.000 She's between 1 and 10.

04:45:21.120 Yeah.

04:45:21.500 I think I'd say a 7 and a half as well.

04:45:23.660 I will say 8.

04:45:25.960 I'll say 7.

04:45:26.700 Honestly, right now, I've got to give myself a 5.

04:45:30.480 I got a little dad bod right now, so I've got to lose the dad bod.

04:45:35.180 Once I lose the dad bod, I think I can get back to a 6.

04:45:37.620 But right now, I'm a solid 5.

04:45:39.820 Are you a dad bod?

04:45:40.180 With a dad bod.

04:45:41.080 No.

04:45:41.600 Oh.

04:45:42.220 But I have a dad bod.

04:45:43.440 I've gained a bit of weight, you know.

04:45:45.220 See, I don't engage in various vices.

04:45:48.740 I don't drink.

04:45:49.640 I don't party.

04:45:50.620 I don't smoke.

04:45:51.620 I don't do drugs.

04:45:53.540 Junk food, sugar, caffeine.

04:45:55.440 So, my vice is gluttony.

04:45:59.660 When I get stressed, I just eat a lot.

04:46:02.620 Like, I'll stress eat. 0.99

04:46:03.760 So, I gain some weight because this is some stressful shit, yo. 0.99

04:46:07.060 I got a stressful life. 0.99

04:46:08.400 I got ops.

04:46:09.500 I got enemies.

04:46:10.540 I got people out to get me.

04:46:12.300 You got In-N-Out Burger.

04:46:14.160 I got, like, what do I got?

04:46:16.480 In-N-Out Burger? 0.99

04:46:17.180 Oh, shit. 1.00

04:46:17.620 That was my go-to after the show. 1.00

04:46:19.080 Shit. 1.00

04:46:19.320 I put down two burgers, french fries, and a shake. 1.00

04:46:21.380 Like, that's some, that's some, like. 0.94

04:46:25.160 Bro, I was being a degenerate, degenerate.

04:46:30.380 I'm losing the weight, though, guys.

04:46:31.980 I'm down five pounds.

04:46:33.300 I started a diet.

04:46:34.860 I'm down five pounds, boys.

04:46:36.560 Within eight months, six pack.

04:46:38.100 Butler donated $100.

04:46:39.600 Yo, Jay Butler.

04:46:39.940 Thank you, bro.

04:46:40.780 Does Ratface TV over here know that during his whole phase, 0.93

04:46:44.440 condoms were not protecting him from genital herpes?

04:46:47.500 He was not.

04:46:47.980 The disease is clearly killing his hairline.

04:46:50.320 And bribes get the bleach and hazmat suit. 0.98

04:46:53.540 Hashtag herpes.

04:46:55.160 Do you want to respond to that?

04:46:56.020 Luckily, I dodged it.

04:46:56.940 Do you want to respond to Jay Butler?

04:46:58.580 Luckily, I dodged it.

04:46:59.680 Okay.

04:47:00.000 Thank you, though, for your concern, Jay Butler.

04:47:01.700 Jay Butler, you've been a little bit, you know, a little more ruthless.

04:47:06.300 You've been a little more ruthless lately.

04:47:07.820 Normally, you just politely talk about herpes, but now you're making shots.

04:47:12.180 See, every, literally, guys, everyone, everyone's got herpes.

04:47:14.980 Does Jay Butler have herpes?

04:47:15.800 No, but he's, here's the thing.

04:47:17.820 Jay Butler, he lives in the herpes capital of the United States, which is New Orleans,

04:47:26.280 I believe.

04:47:26.940 I could be wrong.

04:47:28.300 I'm pretty sure it's the herpes capital. 0.99

04:47:29.820 And he's a urologist, which means he looks at a lot of dicks. 0.99

04:47:33.360 Like, think about all the dicks you've seen. 0.99

04:47:36.780 He's seen that in an hour. 0.99

04:47:38.980 Okay.

04:47:39.720 Think of that. 1.00

04:47:40.500 One hour, he sees all the, collectively, all the dicks. 0.99

04:47:43.540 So, he's got herpes on the mind. 0.99

04:47:45.580 Grid One Motorsports donated $100.

04:47:49.260 Amish children do not cry because the family unit is so strong and traditional.

04:47:54.360 Ask an Amish child when he has heard his father yell in anger, and he will tell you never.

04:47:59.740 Maybe progressives are evil.

04:48:02.540 Wow. 0.98

04:48:03.560 Amish children? 1.00

04:48:05.720 Would any of you, like, fuck an Amish dude? 1.00

04:48:08.840 I would get with an Amish chick, you know? 1.00

04:48:11.200 If he was cute.

04:48:12.360 Would you, like, would you churn butter with an Amish dude? 1.00

04:48:17.000 Be a fun date. 0.68

04:48:18.160 It would be a dope date.

04:48:20.140 And actually, could I say, I want to say to you, I know an Amish guy.

04:48:23.000 I'd like, I think you might be his type.

04:48:24.620 Could I stay in love with him?

04:48:25.860 Sure.

04:48:26.480 Apollo Shinoda donated $100.

04:48:29.920 Toxic masculinity is a misnomered pejorative

04:48:32.540 like homophobia that is meant to denigrate normal,

04:48:35.680 hetero men who believe and behave in a nature-devised way to provide for their mates.

04:48:40.140 Wow, that was, um, wait, you didn't, didn't, wait.

04:48:47.280 Oh, there's no, excuse me, there's no, yo, Apollo Shinoda, thank you very much for your patronage.

04:48:52.880 Is that your real name?

04:48:54.100 Apollo Shinoda?

04:48:55.920 It's like a movie name.

04:48:56.520 Doc Vinably donated $100.

04:48:58.740 Yo, Doc, thank you.

04:48:59.560 Feminists shame women for choosing motherhood. 1.00

04:49:02.140 They then shame men who prefer to prefer potential mothers. 0.99

04:49:05.920 They are evil as they end to destroy families.

04:49:09.460 Frizzy Hair Corner, you are guilty of this evil. 0.94

04:49:13.500 Is that the girl that just got up while you sent in that super chat?

04:49:17.020 Or, because we have a couple, well, you guys have curly hair.

04:49:21.400 I object, Doc, they don't have frizzy hair, they have curly hair.

04:49:25.940 Did he say frizzy?

04:49:26.480 And as there are guests of mine, Doc Vinabalus, I'm deeply offended that you would dare, 0.99

04:49:32.240 they've got, bro, look at her flow, her flow is fucking dope. 1.00

04:49:35.680 It's very rare that we have so many curly-haired women in the studio. 1.00

04:49:39.440 I will not stand for your insults.

04:49:41.440 I will defend the curly-haired women. 0.99

04:49:43.620 How dare you say that they have frizzy hair, okay?

04:49:47.040 Look at her lovely hair, look at her lovely hair, look at her lovely hair.

04:49:50.400 They have flow.

04:49:51.220 Do you guys know what the flow is?

04:49:52.560 Y'all got the flow.

04:49:53.540 Thank you.

04:49:54.180 You're very welcome.

04:49:55.320 Going back to long hair don't care, he was at, wait, did we go around on the, oh, yeah,

04:50:01.760 we did the looks.

04:50:02.920 He wanted, Jesus Christ, he wanted to know your, the BJ skills. 0.71

04:50:12.960 That's a different thing.

04:50:13.560 If you want to rate it on a scale of one to ten, I mean.

04:50:18.160 Me first?

04:50:19.120 Yeah, okay.

04:50:19.800 All right.

04:50:21.340 I would say maybe like a seven because I didn't get my tonsils out as a child.

04:50:28.040 Huh?

04:50:29.040 Is that a thing?

04:50:30.540 So it's better because the tonsils are still there?

04:50:32.660 Yeah, if you want a deep throat, you've got to have no tonsils.

04:50:34.800 Room for it.

04:50:35.840 Really?

04:50:36.640 I didn't know that.

04:50:38.260 Oh.

04:50:38.720 Good to know.

04:50:39.340 Oh, okay.

04:50:40.040 Only tonsilless girls. 1.00

04:50:42.280 Just kidding.

04:50:43.040 I'm kidding.

04:50:43.460 I didn't know that.

04:50:44.300 Tonsils great.

04:50:45.240 Tonsils.

04:50:45.600 They don't take tonsils out anymore. 1.00

04:50:46.540 If you don't have tonsils, you get the Glock.

04:50:47.840 As often as they used to.

04:50:50.280 Interesting.

04:50:50.880 Okay.

04:50:51.620 Sure.

04:50:52.060 What about, we'll go around the table on this.

04:50:54.100 Don't shoot the messenger, guys.

04:50:55.440 He sent it.

04:50:56.060 Thank you.

04:50:56.140 Okay.

04:50:56.800 Go ahead.

04:50:57.160 Like eight.

04:50:58.520 Oh.

04:50:59.000 I would say higher, but then there's one person.

04:51:01.120 It made me question everything.

04:51:02.640 So I'm putting myself at a solid eight.

04:51:04.300 Like made you question it because like, like made you question it in the sense like you

04:51:09.640 were, like you. 1.00

04:51:11.160 No, like, like, oh fuck. 1.00

04:51:12.680 You were better? 1.00

04:51:12.840 Like what's, like.

04:51:13.760 Oh, yeah.

04:51:14.120 Yeah.

04:51:14.360 I was like, uh-oh.

04:51:15.240 I was like, uh-oh.

04:51:16.040 Uh-oh.

04:51:16.460 Okay.

04:51:17.360 What about you?

04:51:17.780 Um, I want to answer and be like, oh, it's the same thing as before.

04:51:23.800 It just keeps going up and up and up, but I'll honor him like eight.

04:51:27.820 Always room for improvement.

04:51:29.300 Maybe nine.

04:51:30.960 Okay.

04:51:31.440 Good to know.

04:51:32.280 That's between me and the guy I'm seeing.

04:51:35.400 I feel like you're good at it.

04:51:37.220 Wait, question.

04:51:37.880 You're, you're by, you're by, right?

04:51:40.180 Okay.

04:51:41.180 Let me throw you a little curve ball here.

04:51:45.540 What about with the ladies?

04:51:47.540 That's between me and her. 1.00

04:51:48.820 You should have been like, I'm a fucking ten, yo. 0.99

04:51:51.940 Okay. 1.00

04:51:52.280 All right.

04:51:53.080 Okay.

04:51:54.080 Nine.

04:51:54.740 Trying to help out a little.

04:51:56.160 Nine.

04:51:56.580 Okay.

04:51:56.940 All right.

04:51:57.280 I'm confident.

04:51:58.320 Yeah.

04:51:58.600 Like a solid seven.

04:51:59.680 Solid seven.

04:52:00.380 Okay.

04:52:00.940 No answer.

04:52:04.340 Jake, on a scale of one to ten, what are your BJ's skills? 0.82

04:52:08.680 Rate your BJ's skills on a scale of one to ten.

04:52:11.160 No, because it'll get clear.

04:52:13.080 Yo, Paula.

04:52:13.840 Thank you, man.

04:52:14.140 A post in Oda donated $100.

04:52:15.580 This name on my donations is just my lame Twitch game attack because this donation system 1.00

04:52:21.880 is stupid. 0.95

04:52:23.000 My real name is Stephen Austin, Texas. 1.00

04:52:26.280 LFG better times on November 5th.

04:52:28.980 November 5th?

04:52:29.880 Is that, what's November 5th?

04:52:31.980 Is that election day?

04:52:34.180 Remember, remember the 5th of November.

04:52:35.880 The gun treason, wait, the gunpowder treason and plot.

04:52:39.000 Is that Guy Fawkes?

04:52:40.540 Guy Fawkes.

04:52:42.180 Oh, we got another one.

04:52:43.340 Forza donated $100.

04:52:45.340 Hey, thank you, man.

04:52:46.180 The way to a man's heart is a BJ. 0.76

04:52:48.900 He won't feel like a real man unless deep throat.

04:52:52.020 Remember that.

04:52:52.940 The first part was right.

04:52:57.500 I don't think, I don't know if deep throat is necessary, to be honest.

04:53:01.420 It's not.

04:53:01.720 It's the throat that counts, eh? 0.71

04:53:03.240 Yeah, it's the throat.

04:53:04.080 The throat.

04:53:06.060 It's the throat that counts. 0.66

04:53:09.440 Shoes the mouth that got away.

04:53:11.780 Okay.

04:53:13.100 All right, Forza.

04:53:14.140 Hey, that's your first time chatting.

04:53:15.740 Good.

04:53:15.920 Thank you for your patronage, man.

04:53:17.280 Appreciate it, Apollo.

04:53:18.060 Thank you for your patronage.

04:53:18.960 Appreciate it.

04:53:19.360 One quick thing, going back to the rating thing, Kayla, you said you're getting better looking?

04:53:25.960 Yeah.

04:53:26.620 As you age?

04:53:27.420 Mm-hmm.

04:53:27.820 Okay.

04:53:28.240 So I wanted to go around the table on this related to the rating thing.

04:53:31.620 Do you guys think that you look better now, or do you think you'll look better in 10 years,

04:53:40.020 or do you think you look better now?

04:53:41.800 I'm not phrasing that properly.

04:53:44.120 Will you look better in 10 years, or do you, oh, my God, Jesus, I'm like, room temperature.

04:53:49.100 I've got a room temperature IQ.

04:53:51.020 I understand.

04:53:52.160 Yeah.

04:53:52.320 I think you understand the question, but I'm not phrasing it properly.

04:53:54.880 They get it.

04:53:55.420 Yeah.

04:53:55.700 Yeah.

04:53:56.640 Yeah.

04:53:57.200 I think in 10 years, I'll be prettier than I am now.

04:54:00.020 Okay.

04:54:00.440 So you're 24.

04:54:01.740 So do you think you'll be better looking at 34 than at 24?

04:54:05.180 Probably, yeah.

04:54:05.880 Okay.

04:54:06.140 What about you?

04:54:06.600 So you're 20.

04:54:07.700 Will you be better looking at 30 than you are now at 20?

04:54:10.300 I don't know.

04:54:10.820 I don't put on enough sunscreen.

04:54:12.380 I feel like now it's the prime.

04:54:14.380 Okay.

04:54:15.060 But if you were to throw on some sunscreen?

04:54:17.340 30.

04:54:17.940 Maybe 30.

04:54:18.340 Yeah.

04:54:18.580 Yeah.

04:54:19.060 Yeah.

04:54:19.220 All right.

04:54:19.500 Still be a babe at 30. 0.88

04:54:20.460 Okay.

04:54:20.620 Yeah.

04:54:21.220 I think I'm going to be beautiful at all ages, but I will say when I look back at younger

04:54:25.620 photos, I was, I like my younger photos.

04:54:28.900 Okay.

04:54:29.100 So you're 29 now, right?

04:54:30.760 Yes.

04:54:31.420 So do you think you'll be better looking at 39 versus 29?

04:54:38.560 I don't know.

04:54:39.980 Okay.

04:54:40.440 What about you? 1.00

04:54:40.900 I think I'm going to be hot as fuck. 1.00

04:54:42.860 You're 21, correct? 1.00

04:54:44.020 Yeah.

04:54:44.220 So do you think you'll be better looking at 31 versus 21?

04:54:48.820 Yes.

04:54:49.360 Okay.

04:54:49.820 What about you?

04:54:50.620 I also think I'll be better at 31.

04:54:52.420 Versus 21?

04:54:53.520 What about you?

04:54:54.560 Yeah, I agree.

04:54:55.160 I think women kind of go into their looks sometimes. 1.00

04:54:57.820 So yeah.

04:54:59.860 I think I'm going to be better too.

04:55:01.900 And you're reminding your age again?

04:55:04.260 24.

04:55:04.620 So you'll be better looking at 34 than at 24?

04:55:08.100 Yeah.

04:55:08.260 Okay.

04:55:09.480 Going around one more time.

04:55:11.400 Let's do 20 years.

04:55:13.240 Will you be better looking at 44 versus now at 24?

04:55:19.040 How old did you say?

04:55:21.180 20 years.

04:55:21.840 So 44.

04:55:22.140 20 years from now.

04:55:22.960 Yeah.

04:55:23.800 I'm worried that maybe around like 43 is when I'll start.

04:55:27.360 That's your peak.

04:55:28.240 43 will be your peak.

04:55:30.600 Maybe I'll start looking back by then and be like, oh my gosh, look at that photo of me.

04:55:35.660 Around 45.

04:55:36.860 I don't know.

04:55:40.840 I'm going to age delicately and as gracefully as I can.

04:55:46.020 Okay.

04:55:46.420 What about you?

04:55:47.340 Yeah.

04:55:47.620 Nah.

04:55:48.100 40.

04:55:48.980 Nah.

04:55:49.740 Nah.

04:55:50.460 There's pretty 40 years.

04:55:51.700 Apollo Shinoda donated $100.

04:55:54.920 Great panel tonight, especially your wingman, Brian.

04:55:57.840 Thank you.

04:55:58.340 Thank you, Apollo.

04:55:58.760 Also, more frowns, faces, and lip syncs from Madison always welcome.

04:56:03.940 Greater than.

04:56:05.220 Yeah, Madison, get on it. 0.97

04:56:06.860 Um, what about you, Katie?

04:56:11.480 49.

04:56:12.560 Better looking at 49 versus 29.

04:56:15.960 Same answer.

04:56:17.260 I'm going to be a beautiful old lady and I'm beautiful now.

04:56:22.040 No, well, okay.

04:56:23.840 You can still, you can still be attractive when you're older.

04:56:27.120 That's not what I'm asking.

04:56:27.700 That's what I mean.

04:56:28.140 I know some very beautiful women. 1.00

04:56:30.020 Right.

04:56:30.240 That are equally attractive as I am.

04:56:31.840 More, like, comparatively speaking.

04:56:33.260 But, okay.

04:56:33.940 Um, what about you?

04:56:35.400 Unfortunately, I don't think so.

04:56:36.600 Okay.

04:56:37.300 So, you think you'll peak at, like, in your 30s?

04:56:40.140 I feel like 35 is, like, oh, my God.

04:56:43.060 That's, like, peak me.

04:56:45.440 That's what I would say.

04:56:46.260 I guess I don't got that long.

04:56:48.340 There you do.

04:56:49.560 You've got it, girl.

04:56:50.440 We're good for it.

04:56:52.900 The perfect age is man. 0.67

04:56:55.480 I'm just kidding.

04:56:56.180 I'm just kidding.

04:56:57.300 What?

04:56:58.000 How did he get here?

04:56:59.860 How did, I don't know what happened there.

04:57:01.960 Perfect.

04:57:02.800 Um, okay.

04:57:03.280 I'm back.

04:57:03.640 Uh, what about you?

04:57:04.620 I think I'll be better at 41 than 21.

04:57:06.860 You, you think you'll be more physically attractive at 41 versus now at 21?

04:57:11.200 Yeah.

04:57:11.840 Okay.

04:57:12.260 What about you?

04:57:13.480 I probably won't be as attractive at 41.

04:57:16.880 I don't think so.

04:57:17.880 I don't think so.

04:57:18.820 Okay.

04:57:19.560 What about you guys?

04:57:20.680 20 years.

04:57:22.480 And you tend to.

04:57:24.320 I'd say you're probably more in your physical prime in your late 20s and early 30s as a

04:57:29.580 man, but in your 40s, in terms of career and where you're at and the wisdom you've gained,

04:57:34.060 you'd be more attractive to a woman.

04:57:36.560 But I don't know if we were, if you guys are answering that question as in, like,

04:57:38.900 Yeah, probably just being physical.

04:57:40.120 Yeah, but what I was saying, were you guys doing it as in, like, what men would be attracted

04:57:43.100 to, or were you doing what, if you think you're more beautiful?

04:57:46.480 Oh, personal.

04:57:47.360 Personal.

04:57:47.720 Personal.

04:57:48.420 All right.

04:57:48.980 Okay.

04:57:49.420 There we go.

04:57:50.320 Okay.

04:57:50.820 Well, I mean, to answer the question, I actually think, I certainly think I was better looking

04:57:56.400 when I was younger.

04:57:57.060 Um, and I don't think I'm going to get better looking, uh, as the years go on.

04:58:02.600 So, uh, certainly no, not in 10 years, not in 20 years.

04:58:06.280 Uh, yeah. 0.99

04:58:07.220 I was a fucking stud at 19, six pack. 1.00

04:58:14.200 Let's see. 0.99

04:58:15.260 You want to see photos after the show?

04:58:16.820 Let's pull it up. 0.95

04:58:17.380 You would have, you would have, you would have totally made me wait for sex for like three

04:58:21.080 months back when I was 19.

04:58:23.760 I feel like you and surfer dude, Brian would have been a good couple.

04:58:27.100 Surfer dude?

04:58:28.200 I sur, I surfed, you know.

04:58:29.700 Um, on that note, can I say something?

04:58:34.640 Cause I, I'm always going to say something.

04:58:36.300 That's just what I am.

04:58:36.800 Sure, go ahead.

04:58:37.360 You put me in the seat.

04:58:38.040 Go ahead, Katie.

04:58:38.800 Tell us, tell us your thoughts.

04:58:39.960 My, my little OCD is just saying that we never finished going around with our dream men

04:58:45.180 which stopped at me.

04:58:46.220 So, if that's a good way to finish.

04:58:47.380 You're right, we should, we should complete that because I know you guys want to hear what

04:58:51.800 I have to say on this.

04:58:52.920 I want to get it around.

04:58:53.600 Oh, yeah.

04:58:54.020 Because you, you know, you want to hear my thoughts.

04:59:00.720 Wait, am I going?

04:59:01.480 Okay, what?

04:59:02.140 Oh, well, were we, I think we were wrapping up on, oh, I just wanted to say, I'm not, don't

04:59:08.020 want to be mean.

04:59:08.540 Um, but, uh, as time goes on, you know, we tend to age, putting this as delicately

04:59:23.960 as possible here, as time goes on, we age, we get wrinkles.

04:59:31.560 I don't know if the whole, you'll be better looking in 10 years thing, 20 years thing,

04:59:35.680 you know, you're probably as good looking in this exact moment as you'll be.

04:59:43.820 Thanks, dad.

04:59:44.760 You're welcome.

04:59:45.860 You're welcome, daughter.

04:59:47.620 Go get me a bottle of wine.

04:59:48.800 In 10 years.

04:59:49.660 Let's, we'll see.

04:59:50.920 Yeah, we'll, we'll have you come back on this podcast in 10 years.

04:59:54.960 We're going to do a reunion.

04:59:56.700 Episode 130 reunion.

04:59:58.040 All of you will still be here.

05:00:00.700 Um, we'll, uh, we'll see where everyone's at.

05:00:06.660 And, yeah.

05:00:07.440 Um, okay, so, uh, should I just say it?

05:00:11.360 I don't know.

05:00:12.000 You guys are nice.

05:00:12.680 I don't want to be here.

05:00:13.300 Say it.

05:00:13.820 Say it.

05:00:14.480 Say it.

05:00:14.800 Okay, fine.

05:00:15.460 It's a little delusional.

05:00:18.140 Maybe a bit more than a little delusional.

05:00:19.900 To say you'll be better looking in 10 years than 20 years.

05:00:21.820 That's all I gotta say.

05:00:22.320 Okay, say it by the way. 0.70

05:00:23.180 Speaking of, why didn't you have the balls to ask Molly why she thinks she is so popular on Of? 1.00

05:00:29.140 Brian, lol, missed you too, bud. 0.89

05:00:33.440 Wait, uh, why didn't I ask Molly why she thinks she is so popular on OF? 0.94

05:00:38.940 Does she think she's popular on OF?

05:00:41.240 I don't know if that came up in our-

05:00:42.780 Who's Molly?

05:00:43.580 Oh, she was on our last show.

05:00:44.740 She's, she's been on the show like three or four times.

05:00:47.060 Um, if you want Nickelodeon, I'll ask her next time she's on the show.

05:00:51.140 Yo, Doc, thank you, man.

05:00:53.100 My apologies, Brian.

05:00:54.620 I did not realize that you were sitting on a new simp cushion.

05:00:58.240 Oh.

05:00:58.660 Indeed, free-flowing frizz.

05:01:00.720 I can see the gorgeous chemical fumes rising from their heads.

05:01:05.220 Making up with the 100.

05:01:08.420 I will have you know there are-

05:01:09.960 A lot of frizz.

05:01:11.600 The simp cushion.

05:01:12.660 Get me the simp cushion, Nick.

05:01:14.460 Um, free-flowing frizz.

05:01:17.300 Wow. 0.99

05:01:17.640 First off, her hair is fucking immaculate. 0.99

05:01:20.020 Don't insult my past- 0.99

05:01:23.800 I don't know where-

05:01:24.880 I don't know what his name is.

05:01:25.720 My, like, 19-year-old surfer girlfriend over here.

05:01:30.140 I take deep offense, Doc Van Abelis.

05:01:33.280 She's got flow. 0.95

05:01:34.940 She's got flow, and she has flow. 1.00

05:01:37.680 How-

05:01:37.920 Don't insult the curls, Doc Van Abelis.

05:01:42.060 It's rude.

05:01:43.160 I will not stand for it.

05:01:44.440 I will- 1.00

05:01:50.140 Listen, if you do it again, Doc, if you fucking- 1.00

05:01:53.140 If you fucking talk shit about- 1.00

05:01:55.720 My dear friends here, if you talk shit about their fucking hair one more fucking time, Doc, I swear to fucking God- 1.00

05:02:01.880 It will rain down on a godly fucking firestorm upon you. 1.00

05:02:04.900 You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. 1.00

05:02:09.660 Doc Van Abelis donated one hundred dollars. 1.00

05:02:11.800 I am fucking scorched earth, motherfucker. 1.00

05:02:12.640 Here is a one hundred to get you to shut the fuck up. 1.00

05:02:15.420 I will fuck you up! 1.00

05:02:17.160 Did you hear what I said? 1.00

05:02:21.440 Don't- 1.00

05:02:21.800 Don't you fucking come from my homegirls here. 1.00

05:02:24.700 If you come from my homegirls and their fucking hair, Doc Van Abelis, we're gonna have a fucking problem. 1.00

05:02:29.100 You understand? 1.00

05:02:29.800 We're gonna have a fucking problem. 1.00

05:02:30.860 Don't talk shit about their fucking hair. 1.00

05:02:32.660 You fucking understand me? 1.00

05:02:34.600 You understand? 1.00

05:02:35.300 Okay, sorry.

05:02:35.940 I got into my, like, have you guys seen The Sopranos?

05:02:38.740 Great show.

05:02:40.140 Fantastic show.

05:02:40.820 It's on HBO.

05:02:41.680 You should check it out.

05:02:43.980 Okay, good talk.

05:02:44.780 Um, oh, we're going around.

05:02:48.520 Last thing.

05:02:50.660 She, Katie, really wanted to go around and hear everybody's, what you're looking for in a guy.

05:02:57.260 Your dream man.

05:02:58.120 Your dream man.

05:02:59.140 My dream woman.

05:03:00.220 Or dream woman. 0.95

05:03:01.480 Okay.

05:03:02.040 Should we factor another?

05:03:03.940 There could-

05:03:04.580 Yes. 0.80

05:03:04.980 Would you, are you pansexual?

05:03:06.440 Bisexual.

05:03:07.200 Well, but, you know, pansexual?

05:03:09.900 I'm bisexual.

05:03:11.100 Pansexual is, but I think a little bit different.

05:03:12.640 Well, it's like, you would date somebody who's trans, for example.

05:03:16.820 I, I personally don't think I would, so I think that's why I identify as bisexual. 0.99

05:03:21.340 Okay, okay, gotcha.

05:03:22.380 Yeah, they're just two different concepts.

05:03:23.460 Sure, sure, sure.

05:03:24.220 No, yeah, I know, just, you know.

05:03:25.620 Um, so the, my person of interest, the good qualities I'm looking for is probably ambitious.

05:03:30.700 I want somebody who's passionate about something and driven.

05:03:32.960 I also really, really like disciplined people.

05:03:36.140 Um, someone who's funny and charismatic and outgoing, very adventurous, and someone who's

05:03:42.000 educated and is curious.

05:03:43.680 And athletic.

05:03:46.780 And athletic, okay.

05:03:48.500 What about you?

05:03:49.900 Um, I'm lucky enough that I have my dream man, and he's ambitious, kind, caring.

05:03:56.780 He makes me a softer person, more in my feminine.

05:03:59.160 Um, he's encouraging, and he just is always looking out for his family, his friends, um,

05:04:06.320 someone like that.

05:04:07.100 So I'm lucky enough to have met my dream person.

05:04:11.680 Yeah, the qualities I would say is like loyal, honesty, patience, thoughtful, and open-minded,

05:04:19.920 and also, like, willing to be vulnerable and emotional and adventurous.

05:04:25.280 Um, I would say I like a moderate man, not, like, more masculine personality, nor more,

05:04:33.760 like, like, feminine.

05:04:35.360 I want a moderate person in my life.

05:04:37.760 Also, I want a family-oriented, ambitious, uh, I don't know how you pronounce it.

05:04:43.320 I do, right now, if he's not at a stable job, but he should have some goals, and he's

05:04:47.440 actually should be working on them.

05:04:49.380 Like, I should feel like he, he want to do something in life.

05:04:52.740 But, before I have Jake go here, I just want to ask the chat, I want you to rate, wait,

05:04:59.560 go back, Nick.

05:05:00.720 I want you to rate the back of Kayla's head on a scale of 1 to 10, chat.

05:05:05.580 Rate the back of her head on a scale of 1 to 10.

05:05:09.040 Apollo Shinoda donated $100.

05:05:11.180 Yeah, thank you, Apollo.

05:05:11.560 Also, Brian, get your dollar on the road.

05:05:15.800 There's lots of cities with more interesting women around this great country, especially 1.00

05:05:20.260 here in Austin, Texas.

05:05:22.340 There is dollar to made, but even better conversation.

05:05:26.200 Apollo, first off, thank you for your, uh, chat.

05:05:28.420 Really appreciate it.

05:05:28.940 I actually have considered, like, having a, uh, a tour bus, and, like, going, doing the

05:05:34.880 show in different cities, but that's, like, a major logistical thing.

05:05:39.660 Yeah, the bus is out.

05:05:40.160 And, yeah, I mean, I'd love to do it.

05:05:43.440 It'd be super cool.

05:05:44.160 Like, okay, one week, Sunday, Tuesday, we're in Idaho.

05:05:47.960 One week, we're in Oregon.

05:05:49.200 One week, we're in Texas.

05:05:50.360 One week, we're in Montana.

05:05:52.360 And just get women from those local geographic areas to come on the show. 1.00

05:05:55.820 That could be interesting.

05:05:57.120 Um, also, like, bringing, going international.

05:05:59.440 Let's do it in Japan.

05:06:00.320 Let's go to Thailand.

05:06:01.300 Let's go to Europe.

05:06:02.300 Let's go to Latin America.

05:06:04.120 Uh, that could definitely be interesting.

05:06:05.600 It's just, uh, it's a question of, uh, it'd be super fun, but it's logistically doing

05:06:12.900 that and, like, having, because, like, our studio setup is not mobile.

05:06:16.940 And, like, that's, it'd be very expensive.

05:06:21.140 Um, we'd probably need a sponsor to go and do that. 0.77

05:06:25.720 You know, we were talking, like, multiple people, like, flights, hotels.

05:06:30.160 Do we bring our equipment?

05:06:31.360 Do we rely on, like, local, a local potential studio?

05:06:34.260 So, uh, it's a good suggestion.

05:06:36.100 It's something I've certainly thought of.

05:06:37.560 So, uh, one thing I have considered.

05:06:40.680 Actually, I'm going to keep this secret, but we're, we're working on a new format.

05:06:44.160 So, um, oh, Jake, you're, by the way, chat, please rate the back of your head.

05:06:50.000 Um, Jake, what are you looking for in a lady friend? 0.90

05:06:53.940 I'd say number one thing would be that she has to fear God.

05:06:57.660 She has to be a godly woman. 1.00

05:06:59.140 She has to, not has to, but preferably a virgin, if not a very low body count with only partners.

05:07:06.100 Feminine, submissive, loyal, and just wants to have a family and multiply and have a big army of children. 1.00

05:07:14.780 That was beautiful.

05:07:16.500 That was good.

05:07:17.520 All right, guys, I'm, here's my list.

05:07:19.620 I've got a list here.

05:07:20.460 Hold on. 0.99

05:07:21.220 Oh, shit, where is it? 0.99

05:07:21.920 Okay. 0.99

05:07:23.440 So, we're going to start with the looks.

05:07:25.240 Pay attention, guys, because this is going to be, this is going to be good.

05:07:27.700 All right, so let's start with the looks, and I've, I've written it, I've written it down.

05:07:33.040 It's actually similar.

05:07:34.220 It's quite long, so it's similar to you.

05:07:36.500 Um, any race is fine, but I do have a slight preference for white women, slight preference, and Asian women. 1.00

05:07:43.880 Don't get me wrong, I date other races, but slight preference.

05:07:47.760 Um, let's see, uh, slight preference, uh, you know, I like short women, but I don't really care. 1.00

05:07:54.380 You know, they could be taller than me.

05:07:55.560 They could be an Amazon woman, 6'7", don't care. 1.00

05:07:59.460 But if they're also 4'9", that's cool, too.

05:08:02.320 Uh, it's always funny telling a woman who's, like, 5'2", she's too tall for me. 1.00

05:08:06.300 Okay, I'm a natural body supremacist.

05:08:10.340 Obviously, I care about, like, hygiene and grooming and stuff, but strong preference for no plastic surgery. 0.91

05:08:14.540 No fake tits, no fake lips, no BBL, no lipo, no, no labiaplasty. 0.89

05:08:20.120 That's a big one. 0.97

05:08:21.500 I don't know if you guys remember my, uh, non-profit organization, Big Labia Matter.

05:08:26.620 I, I'm a spearhead.

05:08:28.100 I'm really a spearhead here.

05:08:29.880 There's 10,000 labiaplasties a year.

05:08:32.100 That's 10,000 too many. 1.00

05:08:34.760 We can't allow women to keep getting their pussy lips chopped off. 1.00

05:08:39.820 It's not cool, okay? 1.00

05:08:41.760 V, it's not cool, okay?

05:08:43.960 Yeah, it's not like I'm doing that.

05:08:46.020 So, yeah, for example, okay, when it comes to the plastic surgery thing, 0.98

05:08:49.440 I prefer a girl with, like, A cups over big, giant fake titties. 1.00

05:08:53.640 Don't get me wrong. 0.99

05:08:55.620 Big titties are cool, too. 0.95

05:08:56.740 But not if they're fake. 0.95

05:09:00.100 No fake lips.

05:09:01.100 I'd prefer a smaller, small upper lip over, like, you know, the fake.

05:09:03.880 Anyone here have lip filler?

05:09:06.880 I don't think so.

05:09:07.940 I don't detect it.

05:09:08.640 Okay.

05:09:09.480 No BBL.

05:09:10.460 Give me, I'll take a flat bum over a big, giant BBL booty. 1.00

05:09:15.680 Don't get me wrong. 0.95

05:09:16.580 Nice butt is good, but I'd prefer no butt over the BBL. 1.00

05:09:20.740 I'd rather a little belly fat than lipo belly. 0.97

05:09:23.500 I don't know, like that.

05:09:24.240 Give me a little chubby belly over lipo belly. 1.00

05:09:28.240 You know what I mean?

05:09:28.800 Have you seen that?

05:09:29.360 It looks weird.

05:09:31.780 Okay.

05:09:32.120 It looks dehydrated.

05:09:34.100 Okay.

05:09:34.620 And certainly no labioplasty.

05:09:37.420 Can't be.

05:09:38.340 We had a girl last show. 0.83

05:09:41.600 She had a labioplasty. 0.99

05:09:43.240 She was on the show.

05:09:44.460 I'll get into it.

05:09:45.480 I'll get into it.

05:09:45.860 Horizon donated $100.

05:09:48.380 Brian, have you ever French kissed a walrus?

05:09:50.860 A walrus, son?

05:09:52.460 Huh?

05:09:52.720 Oh, what is, is this like a.

05:09:54.960 Big lips.

05:09:56.180 The walrus.

05:09:57.060 I don't get it.

05:09:57.520 Has big lips.

05:09:58.460 Like, are you going down on. 1.00

05:10:00.500 Yes, he's asking if you've kissed a vagina with big lips. 1.00

05:10:05.420 Well, here's where I'm going to lose all the women at the table. 1.00

05:10:08.100 I don't do that.

05:10:10.020 Don't do that.

05:10:10.680 Wow.

05:10:13.500 Yeah, you seem shocked.

05:10:15.100 But I don't do that.

05:10:16.000 Now, I believe if, I want my girl to come before me.

05:10:21.460 I want her to come. 0.64

05:10:22.260 I like to please women.

05:10:24.320 You could use hands.

05:10:26.360 You could use toys. 1.00

05:10:28.140 You can use the penis if it's possible. 1.00

05:10:32.840 I'll do anything for love. 1.00

05:10:36.140 But I won't do.

05:10:38.120 Okay, now that's a neat love song.

05:10:39.520 Never mind.

05:10:40.140 What?

05:10:40.700 Why?

05:10:42.080 I got neck issues.

05:10:43.380 I don't know if you saw me.

05:10:44.160 Icing.

05:10:45.000 My neck hurts.

05:10:46.380 You know.

05:10:46.940 Don't get me wrong.

05:10:47.880 I'm a fan. 1.00

05:10:48.180 I like pussy. 1.00

05:10:49.060 Big fan of pussy. 1.00

05:10:49.660 That's a pussy answer. 1.00

05:10:50.400 Not grossed out by pussy. 1.00

05:10:51.460 Apollo Shinoda donated $100. 0.99

05:10:53.660 I don't know that.

05:10:54.160 I get it.

05:10:54.700 You get it.

05:10:55.260 I get that.

05:10:55.760 Yo, Madison.

05:11:08.040 So if we, you down to come to Hawaii?

05:11:10.460 If we do a Hawaii show?

05:11:13.240 Well, yeah, of course.

05:11:14.200 We take care of it.

05:11:14.900 We take.

05:11:16.700 We're going to take care of it.

05:11:17.880 Okay.

05:11:18.140 All right.

05:11:18.940 Where was I?

05:11:21.040 Wait.

05:11:21.520 Oh, the labiaplasty.

05:11:22.640 Yeah.

05:11:22.820 Oh, we had a girl on last show. 0.97

05:11:25.760 Um, she, she had a labiaplasty and she showed me after the show cause she does porn. 1.00

05:11:33.840 She showed me the photos afterwards before and after is one of the most deeply depressing

05:11:40.420 things I've ever seen.

05:11:44.400 Yeah, it was, it was very, it was upsetting.

05:11:50.580 Did she say it could hurt?

05:11:51.920 Did it hurt?

05:11:52.320 Was she under?

05:11:53.080 Did she get put under?

05:11:54.180 Oh, I'm pretty sure.

05:11:55.280 Yeah, she did.

05:11:56.500 So, yeah. 0.85

05:11:57.880 It is, it is unfortunate though that women get shamed if they have a large labia, you 0.91

05:12:02.120 know, it's, it's, uh, it's unfortunate.

05:12:05.900 Bringing back.

05:12:06.700 Has any, any woman here been shamed for their labia? 0.90

05:12:09.780 Anybody? 0.54

05:12:11.340 Anybody?

05:12:11.740 Anyone been labia shamed?

05:12:13.540 What is that, please? 0.55

05:12:14.980 The, it's like the, it's like the, you know, it's like the labia. 1.00

05:12:19.280 The labia, the lips of your vagina. 1.00

05:12:21.400 The pussy lips. 1.00

05:12:21.880 Wizard sleeve. 1.00

05:12:22.900 The wizards.

05:12:24.440 I just think it's unfortunate, you know, that, that women get shamed.

05:12:27.240 And I, I've heard very derogatory terms like beef curtains.

05:12:32.300 Well, you like women, right? 1.00

05:12:33.740 Are, are you all, who's also, there's someone else who's bi here.

05:12:36.240 Those two.

05:12:36.640 Do you have a preference when it comes to the labia?

05:12:41.020 No.

05:12:41.960 I don't think so.

05:12:42.820 You don't care?

05:12:43.380 No.

05:12:43.540 Any Audi?

05:12:44.340 It's all good?

05:12:45.020 It's all good.

05:12:45.640 Don't get me wrong, Indies are nice too, but.

05:12:47.940 Do you have a preference?

05:12:49.660 Oh yeah, the bigger the better.

05:12:51.780 Don't get me wrong, Indies are great, don't get me wrong.

05:12:53.940 I don't discriminate, but I'm a fan.

05:12:56.380 I'm a fan of the Audies.

05:12:57.600 Grid One Motorsports donated $100.

05:13:00.660 Oh God.

05:13:01.280 Brian doesn't do that because he's afraid of death by eating a bad clam.

05:13:05.320 Brian, respect his boundaries.

05:13:06.940 Yeah, please respect my boundaries.

05:13:08.700 Rude.

05:13:09.380 Can I ask you a question then?

05:13:10.360 Go ahead.

05:13:11.240 So, um, how do you feel about a woman refusing to, to, you know, would you be okay with that? 0.98

05:13:19.200 Yeah, that's fine.

05:13:20.880 Would I prefer if she S'd the D? 0.89

05:13:24.320 Yeah.

05:13:24.640 I would prefer if she S'd D. 1.00

05:13:26.660 Okay.

05:13:27.660 But now here's the thing though.

05:13:29.480 If it's like retributive, like, oh, you don't do that. 0.99

05:13:32.980 So then even though I normally be sucking dick, I'm not going to do it because you don't do it. 0.97

05:13:38.760 Then it's like a little bit, I kind of get, but like for me, it's not like, but truthfully, I haven't really encountered that. 0.99

05:13:47.420 Do you have to tell women that before you get with them?

05:13:50.860 Like, I'd be so disappointed if I like was with you and then we finally got to that stage where we're in bed and then it's like, oh, I'm not going to do that.

05:13:57.540 How do you tell them that?

05:13:58.300 Here's the thing, right?

05:14:00.400 I feel like women just detect it from me. 0.99

05:14:02.820 They just know.

05:14:03.560 They look at me and they're like, he's not a munch. 1.00

05:14:06.300 He doesn't, he doesn't eat pussy. 1.00

05:14:08.780 They just know. 1.00

05:14:09.500 They look, they look at him.

05:14:11.000 He's like, they're like, God, he's so white. 1.00

05:14:14.500 There's no way he eats pussy. 1.00

05:14:16.720 This is an Ospa song ready to happen. 1.00

05:14:18.480 Is it?

05:14:18.940 Yeah.

05:14:19.940 Right?

05:14:20.480 Like, you saw me, right?

05:14:22.800 You met me.

05:14:23.680 We've been talking at the table.

05:14:26.260 You got it.

05:14:27.140 You had a hint, a suspicion.

05:14:30.800 You were like, I saw you looking at me deep in the eyes, deep in the eyes.

05:14:35.040 And you're like, I could tell from how you looked. 1.00

05:14:37.260 You're like, before I even said anything, I knew that you knew that I don't eat pussy. 1.00

05:14:44.860 Right? 0.99

05:14:45.620 I mean, now that I think about it, yeah.

05:14:47.420 You had this, like, sixth sense.

05:14:50.240 I feel like women have this sixth sense, right? 1.00

05:14:52.280 You know, like, that motherfucker doesn't eat pussy. 1.00

05:14:55.760 You know what I mean? 1.00

05:14:56.460 I didn't even know that was a thing, honestly. 0.99

05:14:57.860 I thought all guys ate pussy. 1.00

05:14:59.160 Like, you blew my mind. 1.00

05:15:00.120 I was just like, what? 1.00

05:15:00.840 Wait, Jake, Jake, do you, do you eat pussy, Jake? 1.00

05:15:05.220 It's something that I wouldn't do unless it was a special person. 1.00

05:15:10.120 Okay.

05:15:10.780 I wasn't expecting that.

05:15:11.860 But look, I want to make my girl come. 0.99

05:15:14.320 Don't get me wrong.

05:15:15.840 Toys, hands, let's make it.

05:15:17.220 I want her to come first, preferably multiple times, if possible. 0.64

05:15:20.700 See, I feel like that's a really good, like, alternative that you do.

05:15:23.220 Like, that's really nice.

05:15:25.280 Well, yeah.

05:15:25.720 I mean, it's, yeah.

05:15:29.500 I mean, look, it's.

05:15:30.380 You're a charitable guy.

05:15:31.020 I'm a nice guy.

05:15:32.000 What can I say?

05:15:32.720 I'm a nice guy.

05:15:33.500 But, you know, it's, well, even if, even if you look at it, because there's some guys 0.99

05:15:38.620 who, like, just don't give a fuck, like, they don't really care. 0.98

05:15:41.000 But even if your motivation is purely selfish, one, if you can make the girl come, she's just 0.99

05:15:49.320 going to be more immersed in the sex to begin with, or anyways.

05:15:53.240 She's going to get turned on more. 0.69

05:15:54.760 She's going to be more wet. 1.00

05:15:55.680 So, even if you're purely, you're, and I'm not necessarily saying that for me, but even

05:16:01.800 if your intentions are purely selfish, you're going to have a better time if she comes, I

05:16:06.560 think, anyways.

05:16:07.660 So, word.

05:16:09.340 Okay.

05:16:09.700 So, what else?

05:16:11.100 No, prefer little, minimal, or no makeup.

05:16:14.460 No scents or perfumes.

05:16:15.580 Let's, oh, I already mentioned the plastic surgery thing.

05:16:22.340 Yep.

05:16:22.640 Talked about that.

05:16:25.100 Let's see.

05:16:26.840 Plastic surgery.

05:16:28.560 I do like to build my partner up.

05:16:32.240 So, if my girlfriend came to me and asked my opinion if she should get plastic surgery, 1.00

05:16:36.400 I would do everything in my power to make her feel beautiful as she is, and tell her I

05:16:41.700 like her just as she is, and steer her away from making what I view is the wrong decision. 0.77

05:16:47.580 If she's got small boobs, I like her small boobs. 1.00

05:16:49.740 Like your butt. 1.00

05:16:50.500 Like your belly. 0.99

05:16:51.980 Like your face.

05:16:52.860 I mean, obviously, look, take care of yourself.

05:16:54.480 Don't, like, just, you know, whatever.

05:16:56.680 But, don't get a labiaplasty. 0.99

05:16:58.960 Whatever.

05:17:01.520 I said the thing about makeup.

05:17:04.040 She has to have good hand and arm endurance.

05:17:07.260 Very important.

05:17:08.060 Like, so she, no, no, no, not, like, for weird, relax, guys.

05:17:13.360 Not for sexual things.

05:17:14.520 Like, I like a girl who can, like, scratch and massage my back for, like, hours on end. 0.99

05:17:18.760 That's always good.

05:17:21.660 Preferably, she's done at least three years of cello or violin.

05:17:26.220 That's cool.

05:17:28.440 Let's see.

05:17:31.280 I don't know if this counts, but women with nice voices. 1.00

05:17:33.700 And there's different kinds of voices that can be nice, but I think women with, like, more soft, pleasant voices, very good. 0.78

05:17:46.560 Should I say this one?

05:17:47.680 Are you reading these? 0.85

05:17:50.240 Where's all the women who are premature ejaculators? 1.00

05:17:52.240 That's what I want to know.

05:17:55.740 Like, where's the women who, like, come immediately? 1.00

05:18:01.000 Any ladies here at the time? 1.00

05:18:01.960 Our bodies don't work that way.

05:18:04.380 No.

05:18:04.820 There are some women who are so insanely orgasmic, and I've only encountered this, like, three times, 0.98

05:18:12.920 who literally, within ten seconds, not, like, from intercourse, come.

05:18:20.840 And then they can come ten seconds later.

05:18:22.620 Ten seconds later.

05:18:23.760 Have you had that, Jake?

05:18:24.580 Have you had the magical unicorns?

05:18:26.760 Yeah.

05:18:27.160 Sometimes it takes a while to get the first one, but then after that.

05:18:29.200 Yes.

05:18:29.440 But boom, boom, boom.

05:18:30.640 Yeah.

05:18:30.800 Does it, has it coincided with squirting?

05:18:33.460 Yeah.

05:18:33.920 Yeah, it's interesting, yeah.

05:18:35.840 It's rare, though.

05:18:36.820 So, where's all the ladies who are, it's not, it wouldn't even be premature.

05:18:41.120 It's not premature.

05:18:42.460 It's.

05:18:43.020 Right on time.

05:18:44.480 It's perfectly timed.

05:18:46.240 The sooner, the better, right?

05:18:47.600 Is that, could you, like, could a girl come too quick?

05:18:52.780 I don't think that's possible.

05:18:54.260 Sometimes, if it's too often sometimes, and it's a bit annoying, because it just constantly stops the flow.

05:18:58.800 No, but sometimes they can keep going, though.

05:19:01.300 Yeah.

05:19:01.720 But it's just, it's stop.

05:19:02.440 Some girls, stop, go, stop, go. 1.00

05:19:04.440 It's a bit annoying.

05:19:05.160 Yeah.

05:19:05.740 Let's see.

05:19:08.480 Jeez, okay.

05:19:09.440 Personality.

05:19:09.900 I'm sorry, guys.

05:19:10.420 I'm rambling.

05:19:11.060 I know.

05:19:11.340 Okay.

05:19:11.700 Last, last few.

05:19:12.460 Last few.

05:19:13.180 Personality, moderate preference for introverted women. 0.71

05:19:15.680 I like quiet, calm, soft-spoken, slightly endearingly awkward, a little bit shy, a little bit nerdy.

05:19:22.340 And also, I'd say, once, like, a shy or introverted person gets comfortable around you, I actually think their personalities tend to really blossom.

05:19:31.400 So, modesty is huge.

05:19:33.900 I don't like big egos.

05:19:35.220 Vanity, divas, not a fan.

05:19:37.080 Brings me peace.

05:19:37.820 Doesn't quarrel.

05:19:38.640 Doesn't party.

05:19:39.240 Doesn't drink.

05:19:39.780 Doesn't do drugs.

05:19:40.540 Doesn't go to bars or clubs. 1.00

05:19:41.980 Because I don't do any of that shit. 1.00

05:19:46.560 Low body count's good. 1.00

05:19:49.320 Undivided romantic and sexual attention.

05:19:51.260 The earlier the better.

05:19:54.160 So, like, I want a girl who's, like, dating other dudes.

05:19:56.720 And, like, I'm one of her various options.

05:19:58.560 And she's a fence sitter. 0.96

05:19:59.620 Like, I want a girl who's just so immediately, like, immediately she just gives me her undivided romantic and sexual attention. 0.98

05:20:06.700 Has a praise kink.

05:20:09.480 A girl who helps me in my mission.

05:20:10.920 A girl who's attentive.

05:20:12.980 And that's it.

05:20:14.080 I don't think I'm that picky, though.

05:20:15.300 I think that's pretty.

05:20:16.260 All that stuff's pretty.

05:20:18.280 Oh, yes.

05:20:19.440 Let's do the bow.

05:20:19.900 I have a woman who. 0.99

05:20:20.740 Let's show the bow video. 0.98

05:20:23.760 Boom.

05:20:24.340 Look at the bow.

05:20:25.440 Huge.

05:20:26.540 Okay.

05:20:26.800 And then, you know, there's other stuff.

05:20:28.720 I wonder if there's a way to.

05:20:30.680 Okay.

05:20:31.280 Boom.

05:20:31.740 Shirt.

05:20:32.600 Okay.

05:20:33.080 You know.

05:20:33.820 Yep.

05:20:34.500 Look at this.

05:20:35.320 This is perfect.

05:20:37.620 Look at this.

05:20:38.720 The attentive.

05:20:39.460 Stir my noodles.

05:20:42.480 I don't drink soda.

05:20:43.760 Get that out of here. 1.00

05:20:45.340 Okay.

05:20:45.620 Boom.

05:20:46.020 Watch.

05:20:46.520 Boom.

05:20:47.160 Done.

05:20:47.860 I can do that.

05:20:48.540 I don't need that.

05:20:49.840 Wait.

05:20:50.080 Wait for it again, though.

05:20:52.320 That's good.

05:20:53.020 That's good.

05:20:53.460 One more time.

05:20:54.760 Wait.

05:20:55.220 Play it again, Nick.

05:20:55.840 We need the bow. 0.66

05:20:56.440 Wow.

05:21:00.920 Boom.

05:21:01.600 Huge.

05:21:02.560 Huge.

05:21:03.420 Would you guys be down to bow for a guy?

05:21:05.120 Would you be down?

05:21:08.000 Would you be down to bow?

05:21:09.140 Can I see your bow?

05:21:11.500 I would very much like to see your bow.

05:21:14.120 Oh, she's.

05:21:14.920 Oh, wow.

05:21:15.600 Okay.

05:21:17.000 We're getting somewhere with you.

05:21:18.560 I will pay for the first date if she does a good bow. 1.00

05:21:22.220 Okay.

05:21:22.520 Okay.

05:21:22.800 Is there like a hand?

05:21:24.760 Well, the hand.

05:21:25.820 Do I really want to be caught?

05:21:27.040 Hand on.

05:21:27.340 I think it's a little lower.

05:21:28.320 The hands are a little lower.

05:21:29.220 Yeah.

05:21:29.380 Okay.

05:21:30.000 Let's see the bow.

05:21:30.940 Okay.

05:21:31.220 That was good.

05:21:34.000 That was good.

05:21:34.720 It was a solid bow.

05:21:35.600 Does anyone else want to try a bow?

05:21:36.360 Maybe a little bit slower next time.

05:21:38.400 I think it could have been a little slower, but.

05:21:40.480 That's good.

05:21:41.180 That's good.

05:21:41.480 Okay.

05:21:41.760 That was good.

05:21:42.480 Thank you.

05:21:43.000 Kayla, do you want to do a bow?

05:21:43.880 That was a great bow.

05:21:44.220 Should we?

05:21:44.900 Sure.

05:21:45.500 Oh, Kayla's doing a bow.

05:21:46.480 Okay.

05:21:46.720 I'm stuck.

05:21:48.180 All right.

05:21:48.540 Be like, look excited that we're home.

05:21:51.220 Let's see it.

05:21:52.980 That was pretty good.

05:21:53.460 There was a bit too much hit move, man.

05:21:54.880 You were a little bit.

05:21:55.060 I thought you were a little bit wooden.

05:21:58.220 It was good, though.

05:21:59.360 It was good.

05:21:59.720 But I'm impressed by the bow.

05:22:01.980 You guys will make your future boyfriend, or current boyfriend.

05:22:07.300 When he gets back from America.

05:22:07.880 Can you do me a favor?

05:22:09.140 Will you, just as an experiment, just like, do you think he's watching this episode, your

05:22:13.820 boyfriend?

05:22:14.360 I don't think so.

05:22:15.740 I want you, he's probably going to be like, what, is she okay?

05:22:19.580 Next time you see him in person, because he's gone, right?

05:22:22.340 Just like, as soon as he gets through the door, just like, bust out a bow.

05:22:25.760 Can you do it?

05:22:26.420 Yeah.

05:22:26.660 I can do it.

05:22:27.060 Sweet.

05:22:27.900 Good.

05:22:28.420 Good.

05:22:28.620 I think that's it for me.

05:22:30.020 Oh, peace is really important.

05:22:32.420 You don't want to date somebody who's quarrelsome.

05:22:34.020 That's huge.

05:22:34.740 Oh, my God, no.

05:22:35.400 Protect your peace at all costs.

05:22:37.140 Okay.

05:22:37.780 I think that's pretty much it.

05:22:39.200 Is there anything else?

05:22:40.740 I think we've hit everything, right?

05:22:43.240 Right, Kayla?

05:22:44.680 Yeah.

05:22:47.580 Before we wrap up, does anyone have a final thought?

05:22:50.280 Before we wrap up, anything dating related you'd like to get off your chest before we wrap

05:22:54.980 up, otherwise we will.

05:22:59.060 Drake, if I saw you at a club, I'd approach you.

05:23:02.300 Her DMs are open.

05:23:04.080 I could get you, never mind, linked with his, someone he knew in high school.

05:23:12.040 Okay.

05:23:12.140 Do you want to say something?

05:23:15.180 Sure.

05:23:15.540 A girl can be a provider also, and also she can be a mother, a good mother.

05:23:21.280 She can be both together.

05:23:23.440 No one said she couldn't?

05:23:24.260 She can be both together, and the feminist thing I'm going to say, girls, just come out 1.00

05:23:29.300 and do it.

05:23:30.700 Like, nothing going to happen by sitting in the house.

05:23:33.000 You have to stand up for yourself.

05:23:35.400 So just instead of yelling like, feminist, feminism, we want this, just come out, get

05:23:40.480 educated, get the job, do whatever you want to do.

05:23:44.700 I mean, no one said that they couldn't be a provider.

05:23:47.060 My mom was a provider, and also, like, a... 0.88

05:23:49.640 Why are you taking it so personally?

05:23:51.880 I'm not taking it personally.

05:23:53.140 I just said it a thought, like, a woman can be a provider. 0.75

05:23:56.040 It's a conversation in a podcast.

05:23:57.540 You're going to say something, then I'm going to say something, then you're going to say

05:23:59.560 something.

05:23:59.940 By the way, I do want to say, you know, Jake here, the reality is, this entire show, Jake's

05:24:06.720 been playing devil's advocate.

05:24:08.000 He's actually a bleeding heart liberal, and he's just a plant here to trigger all of you.

05:24:13.320 He's hardcore liberal, very liberal guy.

05:24:16.740 So please don't be offended by all the toxic masculinity he's displayed, and the misogyny

05:24:24.920 that he's...

05:24:26.740 Because he's really deep down, he's a super liberal guy.

05:24:33.420 It was a prank.

05:24:34.620 It was just a prank, bro.

05:24:36.660 Ta-da.

05:24:37.020 Ta-da.

05:24:38.580 Was the wedding ring real?

05:24:40.060 Was that still a real thing?

05:24:42.120 What's that?

05:24:42.760 Was the wedding ring thing a real thing?

05:24:44.720 That was legit.

05:24:45.600 Her... 1.00

05:24:46.100 That was serious.

05:24:46.720 He really didn't...

05:24:47.000 Not really quasi-boyfriend.

05:24:48.340 He really did call you and asked you to... 1.00

05:24:50.040 Yeah, he said that shit... 1.00

05:24:51.460 Where... 1.00

05:24:51.660 Are you still in the chat?

05:24:52.380 Send the chat.

05:24:53.000 Did he really?

05:24:53.740 I thought you just made it up.

05:24:54.940 I was going to say, is that real?

05:24:56.460 I don't know.

05:24:57.340 Wait, you're actually a liberal?

05:24:58.940 Yeah.

05:24:59.420 You guys fell for it all.

05:25:00.580 I'm like a...

05:25:00.940 Hey! 0.99

05:25:01.440 I'm a raging feminist. 1.00

05:25:03.220 Thank goodness.

05:25:04.120 Holy...

05:25:05.120 No, he's not.

05:25:06.160 You're a lot...

05:25:06.980 No, you're...

05:25:07.460 I did three years of acting school, and now it's paying off.

05:25:10.960 No, you're...

05:25:11.480 All of it.

05:25:12.420 Wait.

05:25:13.000 Wait, wait, wait.

05:25:13.580 But so, like...

05:25:14.120 You didn't believe it?

05:25:14.640 Are you...

05:25:14.980 Do you feel better now knowing that...

05:25:17.640 I don't know if I'm getting duped right now.

05:25:19.860 I can't...

05:25:20.040 I don't know what's real.

05:25:20.940 Like, what's real right now?

05:25:21.940 No.

05:25:22.660 You're like, you're actually a feminist? 1.00

05:25:23.940 Yeah, yeah.

05:25:24.420 Oh, my God!

05:25:25.540 High five.

05:25:26.760 Go, pal.

05:25:27.460 Yeah.

05:25:31.020 We have, I beat my Wi-Fi.

05:25:33.200 Whoa.

05:25:33.760 Question for the ladies. 0.99

05:25:35.840 Do you consider yourself a wife material?

05:25:38.620 Yes.

05:25:39.840 Yes.

05:25:40.040 Kayla?

05:25:40.980 Yes.

05:25:41.480 Her bow was good.

05:25:42.280 I think she might...

05:25:43.180 That checks out.

05:25:43.920 What about you?

05:25:44.460 Yes.

05:25:45.140 Yes.

05:25:46.000 Yeah.

05:25:47.020 Yes.

05:25:47.640 Yeah, I think they're all wife material. 1.00

05:25:49.640 Jake, are you wife material? 0.97

05:25:50.120 They're all beautiful and wonderful.

05:25:52.460 I think I'd be wife material. 0.99

05:25:54.500 Yeah.

05:25:54.800 Yeah, definitely.

05:25:56.640 Where's my billionaire princess? 0.99

05:25:59.040 Can you play cello?

05:26:00.260 No.

05:26:00.960 You're not wife? 1.00

05:26:01.620 But I can play piano at a two-week skill level.

05:26:06.520 Not cello.

05:26:07.380 Not cello, no.

05:26:08.840 Unfortunately not.

05:26:10.380 I think there's one more thing Jake really wanted to go in on.

05:26:14.980 If you guys are cool going for another five or ten minutes.

05:26:17.940 Okay.

05:26:20.560 He wants to revert to his devil's advocate position.

05:26:24.780 So, a couple of you said...

05:26:26.880 You kind of blew my cup now, though. 1.00

05:26:27.280 Shit, fuck. 1.00

05:26:27.940 My bad. 1.00

05:26:28.340 A couple of you said you were, you know, a big feminist, right? 1.00

05:26:31.180 So, those of you who...

05:26:32.620 Do you think...

05:26:33.340 Those of you who consider yourself feminists, do you guys think that women are oppressed in modern day here in the U.S.?

05:26:40.260 Starting with Kayla, going around...

05:26:42.040 I didn't say I was feminist.

05:26:43.920 Oh, okay.

05:26:44.960 Sorry.

05:26:46.660 Let me get back to you.

05:26:47.780 Let me think.

05:26:48.220 Okay.

05:26:48.880 Sure.

05:26:49.140 Can you please repeat the question?

05:26:50.660 Do you think women are oppressed in the United States? 1.00

05:26:54.580 Oppressed?

05:26:55.020 Oppressed.

05:26:56.540 I wouldn't know the meaning of the word, actually.

05:26:59.180 Oppression.

05:26:59.780 Here, I'll Google it.

05:27:01.340 Sorry about my English.

05:27:02.180 I'm Googling.

05:27:02.760 It's okay.

05:27:03.380 I'm learning.

05:27:03.780 I would say in certain parts of the United States.

05:27:06.300 We're talking about the U.S. as a country?

05:27:08.220 Yeah.

05:27:08.560 Yeah.

05:27:08.900 In certain parts of the United States, yes.

05:27:10.360 In certain parts, no. 0.92

05:27:11.460 And I think in a lot of countries, yes.

05:27:13.880 Okay.

05:27:14.900 Katie?

05:27:16.100 K-Dog, what about you?

05:27:18.660 What does it mean?

05:27:20.780 What does it mean?

05:27:21.300 What does it mean?

05:27:22.720 Oh, oppression. 0.64

05:27:24.780 Prolonged, cruel, or unjust treatment or control.

05:27:27.220 The state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.

05:27:33.780 A little bit.

05:27:36.800 I mean, it's from banishing witches to still going on, yeah, I guess.

05:27:41.740 Hold on.

05:27:42.000 Let me ask a different question.

05:27:43.040 Okay.

05:27:43.460 Is there a patriarchy?

05:27:45.900 Is there a patriarchy?

05:27:47.480 Yes.

05:27:48.080 Yes.

05:27:48.540 In the United States.

05:27:49.660 Yes.

05:27:51.040 Okay.

05:27:51.440 Going around, everybody?

05:27:52.580 Look at our government.

05:27:53.940 The government?

05:27:55.740 Kamala Harris.

05:27:57.000 Wait, okay.

05:27:57.720 Kayla, going around the table like this.

05:28:00.320 Do we live in the patriarchy?

05:28:01.720 Scoot the mic closer.

05:28:03.780 There you go.

05:28:05.260 Good.

05:28:06.120 Go ahead.

05:28:06.880 Go ahead, Kayla.

05:28:08.940 Do we live in a patriarchy?

05:28:12.060 And then I have a follow-up question for you.

05:28:14.200 What are your thoughts on collateralized debt obligations?

05:28:19.940 Jeez.

05:28:22.020 Collateral debt.

05:28:23.980 What's your thesis on collateralized debt obligations?

05:28:27.180 Does that mean you're in debt and it's collateral because I've never heard that?

05:28:38.340 I don't know.

05:28:39.180 Does anyone?

05:28:39.520 Can you use it in a sentence, please?

05:28:41.140 Can someone tell me what that is?

05:28:42.400 Because now I'm curious.

05:28:43.180 Sorry, you just have to be in the know on that sort of thing.

05:28:48.480 Oh, really?

05:28:48.520 I see.

05:28:49.500 I'll look it up.

05:28:50.540 I wish I was.

05:28:52.000 I don't know what that is.

05:28:54.380 Okay.

05:28:54.940 This is okay.

05:28:55.760 Do you think we, I'm derailing.

05:28:58.140 Do you think we live in the patriarchy?

05:29:00.000 Yes or no?

05:29:01.300 Yes.

05:29:04.640 Yes.

05:29:05.840 I said yes.

05:29:06.880 I said yes.

05:29:07.420 I think yes.

05:29:10.500 I'm kind of confused in the middle, honestly.

05:29:13.500 Okay.

05:29:14.740 Under patriarchy, are women oppressed? 1.00

05:29:17.840 Kayla.

05:29:19.480 I haven't felt it personally.

05:29:21.480 I completely felt like freedom of speech and everything I say is pretty much heard.

05:29:28.180 I haven't signed up for a very dangerous job where I would, obviously if I did, I'd get

05:29:34.940 paid what the men were, I'd feel like.

05:29:37.420 No, I don't feel oppressed.

05:29:40.320 Okay.

05:29:41.180 Not all women, but many, yes.

05:29:45.040 Yes, our energy is oppressed.

05:29:46.840 Divine feminine energy is oppressed. 1.00

05:29:50.380 No.

05:29:52.100 Not all women, but some women, yes. 0.97

05:29:55.360 Especially in the patriarchy, in male-dominated industries.

05:29:58.100 Oh, okay.

05:29:58.600 I see.

05:29:59.540 I think the majority of women are not. 0.98

05:30:04.820 Wait, I'm so sorry.

05:30:05.880 I was mentioning that that was the question.

05:30:07.160 Are women oppressed? 1.00

05:30:08.660 Oh, yes.

05:30:09.440 Yeah.

05:30:10.100 I don't believe.

05:30:11.400 Okay.

05:30:11.800 So, well, if women are oppressed, how? 1.00

05:30:16.440 And so all of you here are women. 1.00

05:30:20.380 How are you oppressed?

05:30:21.460 I think just me by the topic.

05:30:27.060 I just feel oppressed by the topic.

05:30:29.120 The topic's oppressed.

05:30:29.740 Not knowing where I'm supposed to stand in the middle of it.

05:30:34.580 Hasn't hit me too personally.

05:30:38.560 Okay.

05:30:39.400 That made sense.

05:30:40.440 So you feel like the topic itself, like you feel like you don't know whether you want to

05:30:44.480 be on either side.

05:30:45.200 The topic makes me feel oppressed.

05:30:47.380 You are being oppressed right now by the whatever podcast.

05:30:50.500 No, no, no.

05:30:50.920 The topic, like the societal conversation.

05:30:53.820 Yeah.

05:30:54.520 She doesn't feel oppressed.

05:30:55.340 But if women are oppressed makes me like, oh. 1.00

05:30:58.120 Okay.

05:30:58.720 I see.

05:30:59.420 What about you?

05:31:00.340 Luckily, I personally do not feel oppressed.

05:31:02.820 Okay.

05:31:03.100 But I also feel like I'm really good at going after what I want and putting myself out there.

05:31:07.340 Okay.

05:31:08.120 I need the definition again.

05:31:09.540 I'm getting between oppressed and repressed.

05:31:14.920 Prolonged, cruel, or unjust treatment or control.

05:31:17.440 The state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.

05:31:22.600 Yeah.

05:31:22.940 Like your life is taken away.

05:31:25.220 It's very, it's like more subtle.

05:31:27.620 But yes, I mean, I don't think like right out there taking away our rights.

05:31:31.240 I think it's more in things that are like birth control and stuff like that that is controlling 0.99

05:31:37.400 us in other ways that is repressing our pussy powers. 1.00

05:31:42.460 Are you in favor of birth control or against birth control? 0.99

05:31:46.360 I'm not saying I'm either.

05:31:48.200 I'm just saying that it has effects on the woman's body that oppresses our natural integrity. 1.00

05:31:55.900 Okay.

05:31:56.240 I see what you're saying.

05:31:56.960 Integrity.

05:31:57.600 What about you?

05:31:58.740 Personally, I feel very lucky to be in California.

05:32:01.240 If we're talking about like Roe v.

05:32:02.460 Wade, like some women don't have the option for abortion. 0.99

05:32:06.120 Also being born in America, my mom is an immigrant mother from Iran.

05:32:09.620 She grew up here, there until she was 25 and immigrated here.

05:32:13.040 Like the level of oppression over there for women is absolutely insane.

05:32:17.000 They couldn't even show their hair down for many years of my mother's life.

05:32:21.080 Like personally, I feel no oppression and I'm so thankful for it.

05:32:24.800 But oppression does exist.

05:32:26.400 Sure.

05:32:27.680 I agree 100% with what Lily said.

05:32:31.240 Yeah, I don't personally feel oppressed, but I do think in the world there's still a lot of...

05:32:36.020 Yeah, and I'm talking more like the United States or Western countries.

05:32:39.880 I don't feel it in California since I'm living here.

05:32:42.680 Okay.

05:32:44.520 Okay.

05:32:47.080 I think California does play a big part in me not feeling oppressed.

05:32:50.300 Like if I grew up in a state, in a different state, that, for example, Roe v. Wade was more proactive and like was more effective.

05:32:58.820 Like I would personally feel oppressed by not having the option to get an abortion.

05:33:02.080 Do you feel like California is a well-run state?

05:33:05.400 Absolutely.

05:33:06.060 Do you feel like Gavin Newsom is doing a good job?

05:33:08.380 I don't really want to get into politics.

05:33:10.060 That's a whole different...

05:33:11.060 I wouldn't either if I were you.

05:33:12.100 That's a whole...

05:33:12.740 Yeah.

05:33:13.080 That's a whole different...

05:33:14.660 Yeah, we would talk about this for hours, but I have opinions.

05:33:17.200 We can always do round two on that if you guys are down to come back sometime.

05:33:21.680 Okay.

05:33:22.260 One really thing related to her thing.

05:33:24.200 You mentioned birth control.

05:33:25.440 Just curious, who here is on birth control?

05:33:27.500 Just you?

05:33:31.500 No?

05:33:32.120 No?

05:33:32.580 Okay.

05:33:32.860 Not currently.

05:33:34.060 Ever been on birth control?

05:33:36.440 Oh, okay.

05:33:37.320 All right.

05:33:38.460 Okay, so going back to the patriarchy thing, what is the patriarchy?

05:33:43.720 I'm confused.

05:33:46.560 Me too.

05:33:46.780 I don't know what that is.

05:33:48.040 What is it?

05:33:49.600 I feel like it's just more like a male-dominated industry, and it's the suppression of women 0.98

05:33:55.060 and putting male on top. 1.00

05:33:57.780 It's like kind of this emphasis that a man can do a better job than a woman can and is 1.00

05:34:05.380 doing a better job.

05:34:06.460 That's my personal definition of patriarchy, and it might not be the actual definition,

05:34:10.280 but that's how I view it.

05:34:11.040 Okay.

05:34:12.980 Yeah, I agree with her.

05:34:14.160 I want to add to that.

05:34:14.920 I feel like men are more respected immediately than women, and we almost have to earn that

05:34:20.080 respect when men are almost given it, and yeah, it's just, they're seen as superior

05:34:25.700 in this world, basically, so yeah.

05:34:29.320 Can I ask you guys a question?

05:34:30.840 Sure.

05:34:32.020 I'm sorry to drag this on, but-

05:34:33.520 It's all good.

05:34:34.060 Do you guys think that the male race is superior to the women race?

05:34:37.700 Just a question.

05:34:38.300 There's no judgment in it, because I've had conversations with men about this before,

05:34:41.500 so I just want to know your opinion.

05:34:43.720 Depends what you're talking about.

05:34:45.040 I don't think so.

05:34:46.400 Are you talking about superior in certain ways, or are you talking about superior in value?

05:34:51.540 I'm talking about overall.

05:34:52.500 If you had to combine all the overarching values in general, would you say, is there a superior

05:34:57.320 race?

05:34:57.720 Is there an equal, or is there one inferior?

05:34:59.420 Do you mean gender?

05:35:00.100 No, I mean-

05:35:00.660 Generalized.

05:35:01.700 Oh, what's superior race? 0.97

05:35:02.960 Men and women are- 0.98

05:35:03.460 Or not race.

05:35:04.140 I mean-

05:35:05.180 Gender.

05:35:05.560 Sex.

05:35:06.080 Yes.

05:35:06.860 Obviously, we're different, but we're equal in value, though.

05:35:09.320 Our lives are valued at the same.

05:35:11.420 Equal in value, but I do think-

05:35:12.640 We both have equally valuable roles.

05:35:14.140 I think we're different.

05:35:15.520 Yeah.

05:35:15.900 But we're very different.

05:35:16.320 I don't think there's a supremacy.

05:35:17.740 Like, I don't think there's a man who's superior.

05:35:21.060 I just think we're different.

05:35:22.740 I think it's kind of silly when someone says it, because we need each other just as much.

05:35:27.720 Like, I need a woman just as much as a woman needs a man. 1.00

05:35:31.320 If you want to do what you're here to do, which is to, you know, procreate, you need each other.

05:35:36.460 And there's an order to the world that we both have roles in.

05:35:39.820 So we're superior at different things, though.

05:35:41.400 But you guys are also superior at different things.

05:35:43.180 Yeah, I definitely think there's women that are, in various ways, women are superior to men in certain things. 1.00

05:35:48.660 And perhaps men are superior to women in other things, in other realms.

05:35:51.760 I'd like to flip the question back to you, though.

05:35:54.580 Do you think that women are superior to men?

05:35:58.540 No.

05:35:58.740 Ladies, it's okay if you do. 0.98

05:36:03.440 Not really, but it's okay if you do, I guess.

05:36:05.680 It's okay if you say it.

05:36:06.540 I think I used to, but not anymore.

05:36:09.120 Okay.

05:36:11.000 Okay.

05:36:12.000 What do you love about men, can I ask?

05:36:15.480 And just specifically about men.

05:36:17.780 Do you like men?

05:36:19.860 I'm actually interested to know the answer to it.

05:36:22.500 I want to say about it.

05:36:22.980 Go for it.

05:36:23.660 They don't have to say, they don't do it, but they know that they are responsible.

05:36:27.980 They have, like, they don't have to, like, I don't know how to explain it.

05:36:32.000 They know what to do.

05:36:33.500 But for a girl, like, someone has to bring up in their head, like, they are responsible.

05:36:38.860 That comes in.

05:36:39.900 So you're saying men are better at making serious decisions?

05:36:42.900 Yeah, I would say, for sure.

05:36:45.200 They are more responsible.

05:36:48.340 Like, I would say that.

05:36:51.520 That's inbuilt in them, I would say, kind of thing.

05:36:54.660 That's kind of attractive, and let's make them man for me. 0.88

05:37:01.200 What do you think?

05:37:03.600 That's a hard one.

05:37:05.040 What do you love about men?

05:37:11.340 I guess, I don't know.

05:37:16.460 Next one?

05:37:17.400 What do you think?

05:37:18.520 What do you love about men?

05:37:19.220 I think, for the good men, that they are natural protectors.

05:37:23.320 Yeah.

05:37:25.300 I like how passionate they are.

05:37:26.820 They have a lot of hobbies.

05:37:28.200 You know, they like a lot of things.

05:37:30.240 Sports, cars, guns.

05:37:31.620 Even though I don't identify with those passions, I think a lot of guys have a lot of passion

05:37:35.420 for a lot of things, and it's pretty cool to see that.

05:37:39.680 Caretake, and I forgot what the other one was.

05:37:43.800 I think men are really blunt.

05:37:47.300 It's a good time.

05:37:49.480 They don't have as much of a facade on a lot of the time, so it's just like, you can, yeah,

05:37:54.460 have a good time with them.

05:37:55.560 Lighthearted.

05:37:57.580 I like the way that a man can make me feel.

05:38:02.380 Like, one, I always feel, like, safe.

05:38:04.700 I have, like, less worries.

05:38:06.120 Not really, like, paying attention to, like, the small stuff that I would if I was by myself.

05:38:10.820 And, I don't know, some guys are just really nice, and they don't play dumb, and I just

05:38:16.500 feel like they're more, like, genuine and raw with, like, their actions, and, yes, some

05:38:21.560 girls, too.

05:38:22.960 But the guys I've met have been very lucky.

05:38:26.540 Very cool.

05:38:28.000 I have one last question, and then we will wrap up here.

05:38:31.900 Unless you guys want to keep going, we can, but.

05:38:33.860 No.

05:38:35.300 It looks like you can't sit.

05:38:37.200 Oh, it's been sitting for too long.

05:38:38.980 My back's hurting.

05:38:39.680 Okay, um.

05:38:40.520 I'm going to stretch.

05:38:42.100 I'm hungry.

05:38:43.160 I'm so hungry.

05:38:46.760 Do you need men?

05:38:51.180 Does society need men? 1.00

05:38:53.000 Oh, yeah.

05:38:53.640 Like, remove, like, reproduction from it.

05:38:55.860 Does society, do you think we need men? 0.52

05:38:59.360 Things will get done faster and easier.

05:39:02.460 Like, you get a group of men versus a group of women to do something, like, build. 0.98

05:39:09.680 Protect, fight, create.

05:39:16.200 Yeah, I definitely think society needs men. 0.99

05:39:18.600 I think, I don't think that every woman needs a man as a caretaker in her life. 0.86

05:39:26.580 Not every woman, but I do think society 100% needs men. 0.98

05:39:29.680 Men need women, because I think, and, like, you're a Christian, didn't, like, women come 1.00

05:39:37.080 from man, or was it the other way around?

05:39:38.840 Women was created from the Rebe of Adam. 1.00

05:39:40.980 So you need us.

05:39:42.340 She was created, actually, as a helper for Adam.

05:39:44.380 In my opinion, men are from Mars, and women are from Venus, and we're both here on this

05:39:49.900 Earth for a reason.

05:39:51.260 That was beautiful.

05:39:52.740 Thank you.

05:39:53.760 What'd she say?

05:39:55.860 It's a great book, too.

05:39:57.060 Okay.

05:39:58.220 All right.

05:39:59.860 I'm trying to think.

05:40:00.500 Well, we're going to wrap up.

05:40:01.840 Really, last chance.

05:40:02.780 Anyone final closing statement from anybody before I wrap up here?

05:40:06.820 Three, two, one.

05:40:08.880 No, I do want to add some things.

05:40:12.320 Okay, last thing.

05:40:12.660 This is, like, an old conversation, but, yeah, I think that men, even though they may be providing

05:40:18.260 and the woman may be at home, I still think it's their responsibility to raise the child 0.97

05:40:22.260 and be involved.

05:40:24.120 There still has to be emotional support from the father, and there should be engagement

05:40:29.540 as well.

05:40:30.320 It's not just all on the mother.

05:40:31.260 Do you want a response from that?

05:40:33.420 Was that directed at what we were talking about before?

05:40:35.840 Yeah.

05:40:36.440 Yeah.

05:40:36.640 So, I think there's a mischaracterization from both of you that's, that when you, what I

05:40:41.660 say.

05:40:42.680 Mem Zero Rifle donated $100.

05:40:46.180 The patriarchy favors women and protects them. 0.84

05:40:49.440 The patriarchy must remain strong and true.

05:40:52.880 It is, in fact, a double-edged sword for men.

05:40:55.780 Power in exchange for plenty disadvantages.

05:40:59.140 We need each other.

05:41:01.080 Yeah.

05:41:01.880 So, like, yeah, like I was saying.

05:41:05.280 You said before that you didn't want a response when you said it, that you think that women 1.00

05:41:10.600 should be providers and mothers. 1.00

05:41:13.620 I think that it's doable.

05:41:15.240 That's what I was saying.

05:41:15.760 Yeah.

05:41:16.040 Women can be providers as well. 1.00

05:41:17.600 You can be.

05:41:18.600 That's fine.

05:41:19.580 And what was your statement again?

05:41:21.480 That men need to be there for the children? 0.95

05:41:23.240 As well.

05:41:23.600 Yeah.

05:41:24.040 So, no one ever said that women can't be providers and that men shouldn't be there for their children.

05:41:30.040 But I'm just talking about, I was talking about in my ideal standards.

05:41:32.780 It would be the man who's the provider and the mother would take the primary role with 1.00

05:41:36.840 the children.

05:41:37.200 What you want to say is, like, taking care of a kid is supposed to be equal.

05:41:42.880 No.

05:41:43.840 That's what she's trying to say.

05:41:45.200 Are you saying, like, 50-50 in terms of they should spend the same amount of time with

05:41:49.640 the child when it's young?

05:41:51.000 Not the same amount of time, but they should definitely spend time with the child.

05:41:54.460 Just because they work doesn't mean they don't get engaged with their child.

05:41:57.540 Equal or not equal?

05:41:58.780 There should be responsibility on their side.

05:42:00.900 But I'm not saying equal or not equal.

05:42:03.760 That's what I'm saying.

05:42:04.400 So, you think it should be 50-50. 0.82

05:42:10.140 The man should take care of the child just as much as the mother and should spend just 0.97

05:42:14.420 as much time.

05:42:15.420 Do you think that the child needs the mother more in that time or the father more?

05:42:18.980 I think they may need the mother more, but that doesn't mean they don't need the father

05:42:21.680 as well.

05:42:22.260 I didn't say that they don't need the father as well.

05:42:23.760 I didn't say that they need the mother more in that time when they're young, when they're

05:42:27.420 breastfeeding.

05:42:29.200 Yeah, we could say they need the mother more.

05:42:30.780 So, that's what I'm saying.

05:42:31.760 That the mother should probably take that primary role. 0.82

05:42:33.420 But I'm not saying that men shouldn't have a role.

05:42:36.720 But I say that the primary role of a man would be to provide for the family.

05:42:39.880 To go to work, do the hours that you need to do, and make sure that the mother doesn't 1.00

05:42:43.200 have anything to worry about financially.

05:42:45.140 And that she's got a roof over her head. 1.00

05:42:46.660 She's got...

05:42:47.820 Things are all sorted.

05:42:48.700 The dad's role is to make sure everything's sorted so that she can do her best role to

05:42:52.120 raise the kids.

05:42:52.680 That's what I think.

05:42:53.560 But I don't think that he shouldn't have any involvement.

05:42:55.640 Okay.

05:42:55.880 And also, I don't think that the mother can't work.

05:42:59.360 She can work if she really desires to. 0.58

05:43:01.260 For sure, she can.

05:43:02.340 Your opinions on that will probably change when you have kids.

05:43:05.100 But, yeah.

05:43:06.020 We'll see.

05:43:07.240 Okay.

05:43:07.680 Last hot take here.

05:43:08.780 This is for the feminists, and I'm going to wrap up the show. 1.00

05:43:10.620 So, directed towards the feminists, related to our patriarchy and feminism and oppression

05:43:17.520 talk, hot take.

05:43:19.680 Men have been more oppressed than women.

05:43:23.200 Agree or disagree?

05:43:24.900 In some sense, agree.

05:43:26.680 In some sense, disagree.

05:43:28.800 In totality.

05:43:31.840 Are we talking about in history as well?

05:43:34.000 All throughout history?

05:43:35.760 Historically and currently.

05:43:37.460 And currently.

05:43:37.900 And currently.

05:43:38.560 Oh, no.

05:43:43.000 Disagree?

05:43:44.040 Historically, definitely not.

05:43:45.200 Definitely not.

05:43:45.780 Okay.

05:43:46.380 Anybody?

05:43:47.440 V?

05:43:47.940 Agree or disagree?

05:43:48.420 Totally agree.

05:43:49.440 I'm still analyzing.

05:43:50.700 Okay.

05:43:51.060 What about you?

05:43:51.660 Thoughts?

05:43:52.000 You're a feminist. 1.00

05:43:52.640 I disagree.

05:43:53.160 Into the mic if you can.

05:43:54.540 I disagree.

05:43:55.140 Disagree?

05:43:56.380 Say, wait, men have been more oppressed than women.

05:43:59.240 Men have been more oppressed than women, both historically and in current time, modern

05:44:05.560 time.

05:44:06.220 I think I disagree.

05:44:08.080 Disagree?

05:44:09.100 Katie?

05:44:09.600 I disagree historically, but I definitely see it becoming an issue currently.

05:44:13.980 Currently?

05:44:14.560 Okay.

05:44:14.960 Yeah.

05:44:16.540 Grid One Motorsports donated $100.

05:44:20.200 Women care of infants in the household. 0.99

05:44:22.900 Men raised children and mold children into grown men and women. 0.98

05:44:26.800 All studies point to children raised by men do better than children raised by mothers alone.

05:44:34.700 Yo, did you hear what she said?

05:44:37.520 She said, this guy has too much money.

05:44:39.400 If you ever feel like you want to share money, I'll drop my Venmo in the bind.

05:44:42.580 Oh, snap. 0.99

05:44:43.080 Oh, snap. 0.99

05:44:43.180 Okay.

05:44:43.540 Just send it my way. 0.99

05:44:46.380 Oh, shit. 0.99

05:44:49.400 So, thank you, Grid One Motorsports. 0.99

05:44:51.800 Appreciate it.

05:44:53.760 What was your answer to my thing?

05:44:55.420 I agree with Katie.

05:44:56.300 Kayla, your thoughts?

05:44:59.220 I feel like historically they had harsher duties and less freedom.

05:45:05.060 They were just kind of given hard things to do.

05:45:08.540 One of them being protecting women, which is harder to do back then because we were taken advantage of.

05:45:15.500 I don't know about now.

05:45:16.980 I really haven't heard a man, like, complain about much.

05:45:20.720 But I also deal with tough men.

05:45:22.500 So, I mean, I could approach the argument from quite a few ways.

05:45:26.480 I won't linger too long on this.

05:45:28.560 A few minutes, then I promise we'll wrap up.

05:45:30.700 So, again, there's a lot of different ways that I can make this argument, but I'll just use my, what I consider to be my ultimate one.

05:45:41.660 So, and this is for both modern day and throughout human history.

05:45:45.040 So, if we look at gender-specific grievances and oppression, if I were to look at the worst one, the worst women-specific, woman-specific gender grievance, and compare it to the worst male-specific gender grievance, just comparatively, and I'll name it in a sec, I think the male one is orders of magnitude worse than the female one. 0.59

05:46:11.060 Now, if I were to even collectively take all of women's collective grievances and compare it to this one grievance that men have experienced throughout all of human history, I would argue that that sole grievance that men have nearly exclusively experienced outweighs in orders of magnitude more than all of women's collective grievances, and that is warfare. 0.67

05:46:34.900 Now, you have forced military conscription, which adds even another layer.

05:46:40.740 So, not only was there just soldiers who volunteered to be soldiers, but you also had men who did not want to go to war, who were forced into war, and who came back either maimed, injured, severe, severe mental injury, or just outright dead.

05:47:00.360 So, um, that sole male-specific grievance, I believe, outweighs all of women's collective grievances.

05:47:09.640 Let's look at World War I, let's look at World War II.

05:47:12.020 World War I, casualties were tens of millions.

05:47:17.040 World War II, casualties of war, tens of millions.

05:47:20.820 These casualties, injuries and deaths, were almost exclusively inflicted upon men, uh, the vast majority of which were not volunteer soldiers, they were conscripted into the army.

05:47:33.560 Um, you know, the, the suffering that men, not just the death, not just the injury, but the actual suffering that men have experienced in the midst of warfare.

05:47:42.160 Take example, trench warfare, trench, trench foot, chemical weapons, uh, the, the, the, these men lose their hearing, tinnitus from the, the constant barrage of shells.

05:47:54.840 Um, it occurs to me that that is a far greater level of suffering than has been experienced by women. 0.99

05:48:04.260 Including losing your child and the word that I'm not allowed to say on here.

05:48:08.300 I'd like to counter with sex trafficking, the warfare of sex trafficking.

05:48:12.620 So, okay, well, let me ask you a question.

05:48:14.620 Okay, we'll, we'll, we'll do, we'll do S-A. 0.85

05:48:19.080 Would you rather be, would you rather be murdered or S-A-ed? 1.00

05:48:24.960 Murdered. 1.00

05:48:25.480 Murdered. 0.93

05:48:25.940 Murdered. 0.93

05:48:26.840 Murdered.

05:48:27.220 Okay, I mean.

05:48:30.420 Okay, that's, that's fine. 0.99

05:48:32.940 Would you rather be murdered or lose your child? 0.97

05:48:34.320 I, I enjoy, what? 1.00

05:48:35.720 Would you rather, like, do you yourself die or your child?

05:48:38.780 I would, I would rather be, I would rather be.

05:48:40.680 It's two people's child, though.

05:48:41.280 It's a man's child as well.

05:48:42.440 I mean.

05:48:42.760 But in your point of saying that the mother's sole purpose is to be a mother and nurture.

05:48:46.580 And so we are that much more connected with that child.

05:48:48.820 So we are going to grieve the loss of the child that we are that much more connected to than a man.

05:48:52.100 I think it's probably fair to say that a mother would maybe grieve just as much, but also it's a man's child.

05:48:56.820 He's losing a child.

05:48:57.380 So just to be clear, so your, your argument is that, let's just say, throughout all of human history, the, the supposed, the, the sex trafficking that has occurred to women is worse than the tens of millions or hundreds of millions of primarily male deaths that have occurred throughout all of human history?

05:49:19.600 Yes, because of patriarchy.

05:49:22.100 Because of the.

05:49:22.600 The war is part of that.

05:49:23.900 The war is part of patriarchy.

05:49:26.040 Sexual assault is not part of patriarchy.

05:49:28.240 How many men do you think decide.

05:49:29.820 So if you're mad at that, be mad at it.

05:49:31.120 What, how many men do you think decide if we go to war or not?

05:49:35.300 Like.

05:49:36.180 How many women get decided if they're going to be S8 or not? 1.00

05:49:40.880 I'm not sure I'm following the logic.

05:49:43.240 None of them.

05:49:43.260 None of the women that get sexually assaulted choose to. 1.00

05:49:45.960 I'm not following the logic on that at all.

05:49:48.700 Does anyone else follow that logic?

05:49:50.160 No, but you were, your argument was, when I said, here's all the men that suffer because of warfare, you said, well, who is inflicting that upon men?

05:49:58.700 And so your argument is, but other men, which to some degree is victim blaming.

05:50:03.880 What does the.

05:50:04.280 I don't think that.

05:50:04.700 I think you totally just twisted my words.

05:50:06.200 I don't think that's like at all.

05:50:07.100 But okay, if, if say a hundred men send 20 million men to war so that those hundred men happen to have a penis, that doesn't diminish the fact that all those men that went to war were to some degree engaged or that they were in the midst of suffering.

05:50:30.060 Perhaps they were forced to war. 0.88

05:50:32.620 I think what she's trying to say is that the patriarchy is run by men and that patriarchy is what sent these men to war.

05:50:40.740 And then I think her argument is that, um, like these women that are sold into sex trafficking, these women around the world that are forced into, you know, marriage at 13, 14 years old.

05:50:53.080 Like, which I think is horrible.

05:50:55.140 Don't get me wrong.

05:50:56.140 I think, I think SA, I think SA and any sort of trafficking is a terrible thing, but we're, if we're having a, an intellectual conversation about like quantifiably, what is a larger, a bigger suffering?

05:51:09.960 I mean, you're going to tell me that tens of millions of men through, maybe it's hundreds of millions of men who have died in warfare is comparable to, we don't, I don't know what the numbers are, but it's less than how many men have been to war and who have been casualties of war.

05:51:30.760 I don't think.

05:51:32.040 Wait, and I do want to address, somebody made the point of, well, it's men sending other men to war.

05:51:36.120 Actually, if you look at Queens, you look at, uh, monarchies, they did studies and they actually found that Queens were just as likely or more likely to go to war than Kings.

05:51:50.760 So this whole trope of, well, it's men sending men to war.

05:51:53.980 Actually, Queens were just as prepared to send men, men to war.

05:52:00.200 So the whole argument of, well, it's men doing it to other men kind of falls flat in that regard.

05:52:05.600 I'm sure if there's a, if I, I, I am pretty sure if women occupied all positions of government in every single country, I'm pretty sure they're still going to be sending men to war. 1.00

05:52:21.300 You don't think so?

05:52:22.400 Actually, in other countries, they send both men and women.

05:52:25.680 Like where?

05:52:26.540 Like in Israel. 0.91

05:52:27.520 Okay.

05:52:27.760 That's one singular country.

05:52:30.420 There's other countries that.

05:52:31.740 What percentage of countries, um, what percentage of countries have only male, uh, conscription?

05:52:40.200 I don't know that number.

05:52:41.360 I think you'd also look at the casualties in Israel as well, and you'd see that the vast majority of them were men who were going onto the front lines and women are doing other roles.

05:52:48.860 That goes on to my other point that I don't know if the comparison of oppression could be quantifiable by the amount of deaths.

05:52:56.000 Just because if you look at historically, the oppression for women starts a lot earlier on. 0.97

05:53:01.460 Historically, like women weren't taught to read. 1.00

05:53:03.640 Girls weren't allowed to go to school. 1.00

05:53:05.220 Most people weren't.

05:53:05.920 The vast majority of the world was illiterate.

05:53:07.740 Right.

05:53:08.180 Yeah.

05:53:08.420 And then who started going?

05:53:09.200 Upwards of 90% of people were worked in agriculture.

05:53:11.640 And then who started going to school?

05:53:12.480 Like, most peasants, regardless, most peasants, regardless of your gender, were, like, extremely poor, did not get an education.

05:53:22.020 Even the wealthy, the only, only kids that they sent to school were the sons.

05:53:27.420 Could there be a biological basis for that?

05:53:31.060 But you're talking about...

05:53:33.180 Okay, if there's a societal expectation that, like, women are gonna get pregnant and they have to have kids, and that would take them out of the workforce, 0.99

05:53:41.400 and your family only has the funds to send one of the son or the daughter, this is before birth control, this is before sanitation, this is before women had access to, like, even tampons. 0.68

05:53:57.340 Like, the world looked, like, totally different.

05:54:00.400 And if you had limited resources, and that, granted, I'm in favor of the current social order where women are allowed to go into the workforce. 1.00

05:54:08.780 I'm in favor of it.

05:54:09.620 However, in the previous social order, if you only had the resources to send one of your children into the workforce, keep in...

05:54:18.480 Let me just add one thing. 1.00

05:54:20.520 Also, medicine was dog shit. 1.00

05:54:23.320 If you're a woman and you gave birth, you're the... 1.00

05:54:26.560 What is it?

05:54:27.280 The maternal...

05:54:28.580 Your chance of dying during giving birth was much higher back then than it was now.

05:54:33.600 And if the expectation on women was to go and have children and have kids, wouldn't it make sense to invest those resources into someone who didn't have... 1.00

05:54:42.460 Which we fix now.

05:54:43.900 We have modern medicine in hospitals.

05:54:45.460 Wouldn't it make sense to invest those resources and that education into a man who doesn't have the risk of death because of pregnancy?

05:54:55.400 Economical factors might still be a thing, but at the end of the day, that's oppression.

05:55:02.320 Not allowing women to go to school is the definition of oppression. 1.00

05:55:07.260 Whether there are these economic factors, whether there's an expectation that there's such a high-level probability that a woman would die at childbirth, these things might contribute to the way society was run.

05:55:18.760 And there are, of course, there are reasons for this oppression.

05:55:24.280 It didn't come out of nowhere.

05:55:26.260 Economic factors were a cause, everything that you stated.

05:55:29.100 That's not incorrect, but that does contribute to this history of oppression.

05:55:33.820 So because now you mentioned education and women who didn't have access to education, that was oppression. 1.00

05:55:41.760 Is it, are men currently oppressed because less men go to university?

05:55:48.760 If, if the differential is 60% of degrees are being awarded to women versus 40% of men, is that evidence of sexism and men being oppressed?

05:55:58.340 I think that would require a lot more research.

05:56:00.840 Maybe research has been done on the deciding factors of why those students were admitted and why those percentages, because equality doesn't necessarily mean that we would see 50-50 numbers.

05:56:11.760 Because I'm not sure if a university is looking at two identical applications and they choose to choose a female over a male. 0.82

05:56:20.060 It's affirmative action. 0.77

05:56:22.280 And this happens throughout the workforce as well.

05:56:25.440 People want to hire women over men. 1.00

05:56:27.140 They always get preferential treatment.

05:56:30.960 They're undoubtedly looked at more favorably in applications.

05:56:37.800 Would you disagree?

05:56:38.680 I mean, if those are the facts, I haven't seen like research studies on that, then.

05:56:47.420 Well, okay.

05:56:48.120 So let me bring it back to warfare here really quick.

05:56:50.360 So currently in the United States and almost all countries in the world, only men are subject to military conscription.

05:56:57.340 There are, you might say, well, it's been a while since we have had a draft.

05:56:59.860 Well, if you look at the Vietnam War, there are men that would be alive today. 0.99

05:57:05.420 They could be in this, they could have been in this room right now.

05:57:09.260 Granted, they would be in, I don't know what, in their 70s, 80s or something.

05:57:13.180 Rather old.

05:57:13.960 But they would still be alive today had it not been for this very gendered issue of military conscription, 1.00

05:57:21.100 which is something that's only inflicted upon men.

05:57:24.780 And there are men who are alive today who have, who are, I'm trying to think, who are paraplegics,

05:57:33.560 who have deformities, who have bad PTSD, like mental scars that you couldn't imagine, saw horrific things,

05:57:41.960 various injuries that are alive today that are suffering.

05:57:45.240 A lot of homeless people, who 80% happen to be men, a lot of homeless people are veterans.

05:57:51.620 So, I mean, you know, this is something that, and to this day, I mean, when it comes to warfare,

05:57:59.620 all men in this country have to register for the selective service, something women don't have to do. 0.81

05:58:04.660 And so, to me, when it comes to feminism, it occurs to me that feminism will only secure, 1.00

05:58:10.040 if, if equality, feminism will only secure equality if said equality stands to benefit women. 1.00

05:58:21.240 So, feminism, to me, is not an equality movement because if said equality could somehow conceivably

05:58:27.960 come to the detriment of women, feminists will not fight tooth and nail for it. 1.00

05:58:32.940 For example, draft equalization.

05:58:36.000 Well, women should be able to get drafted. 1.00

05:58:38.560 That would be equality, wouldn't it?

05:58:41.360 But feminists are not fighting for that equality. 1.00

05:58:43.600 You only fight for the equality that benefits you.

05:58:46.500 And that's why feminism is not a true egalitarian or equality movement. 0.99

05:58:52.180 Well, I think, based on the argument I'm making about sex trafficking,

05:58:56.660 my feminist views are based on bodily autonomy. 1.00

05:59:00.620 I think I have to argue for my bodily autonomy first before I can start advocating for other things

05:59:06.020 that I need outside of what's going on right here.

05:59:08.560 If I can't even control what's going on right here within my own body, how do you expect me to fight for something beyond that?

05:59:14.720 Right.

05:59:15.160 Well, the bodily autonomy argument is perfectly applied to the forced military conscription argument.

05:59:22.860 And I would actually add another layer to it.

05:59:27.040 First off, abortion is not outright banned.

05:59:30.940 I'm assuming you're talking about abortion, correct?

05:59:33.240 Well, I was going to talk about consent and sex or anything like that.

05:59:37.120 Well, that's not something that's – I mean, I'm thinking of something that's legislated by the government.

05:59:40.760 Yeah, we could talk about abortion.

05:59:41.940 But depending on your state, you can – as a woman, you can still get an abortion in this country. 0.98

05:59:47.440 There are certain states where Roe v. Wade pushed it back down to the states.

05:59:51.140 But, I mean, I think men have a far greater bodily autonomy argument to be made when it comes, again, to forced military conscription.

06:00:00.060 Every single male in this country, by law, is required to register for the Selective Service.

06:00:05.620 And every male in this country, depending on their age, is potentially subject to being forced to go and fight and to go and die.

06:00:14.760 And no offense to you, but I would argue that's a bigger bodily autonomy concern than abortion.

06:00:25.340 Are you with or against military, or do you have an opinion on that state?

06:00:29.180 Well, here's the thing.

06:00:30.040 You cannot – I don't think you can get rid of the draft.

06:00:34.120 So I'm not – I think we should equalize the draft.

06:00:38.560 I think women should be subject to military conscription because there's just – 1.00

06:00:43.480 What about lessening the war, though?

06:00:45.000 What's that?

06:00:45.840 What about lessening the need for war?

06:00:48.320 Like, instead of being just like, oh, let's have equal – like, where do you stand on –

06:00:52.240 I mean, well, yes, war is bad. 0.94

06:00:54.060 War is bad. 0.70

06:00:54.640 But, like, if – you can never get rid of the draft because there's conceivably some scenario where you would need a draft.

06:01:03.520 So it's never going to go away.

06:01:06.040 I don't care.

06:01:08.120 We should just remove this concept that we can never abolish the draft.

06:01:11.680 What feminists need to start doing is fighting for women to be subject to military conscription. 1.00

06:01:18.020 To add on to that, you might think, well, there's not going to be a draft, blah, blah, blah.

06:01:22.140 If men don't register for selective service, it's a felony.

06:01:25.560 They face a $250,000 fine.

06:01:27.900 If you don't register, you could face certain penalties, like you won't be eligible for certain federal benefits.

06:01:34.620 You can't get certain federal jobs.

06:01:36.040 You can't get student loans.

06:01:37.160 There's a few others that aren't coming to me immediately.

06:01:41.640 But, again, if we're going to have a bodily autonomy discussion, we absolutely need to consider the lack of men's bodily autonomy. 0.61

06:01:49.240 And every single one – we're in California.

06:01:51.640 Women have bodily autonomy in California. 0.99

06:01:53.920 I don't know how many 18-year-old men there are.

06:01:56.600 Well, you guys go to UCSB.

06:01:57.780 There's about 20,000 students at UCSB.

06:02:00.120 10,000 of those are probably around your age cohorts from 18 to 21.

06:02:04.480 They've all had to register for the selective service.

06:02:06.760 If they want to vote, that's another thing I forgot.

06:02:09.720 So that's certainly a lot of men locally who you know who don't really have bodily autonomy.

06:02:16.160 But I don't see feminists really fighting for an equalization of that. 1.00

06:02:22.040 I feel like feminists are fighting for equal rights and focusing on getting females

06:02:28.740 to where men are. 0.98

06:02:30.360 And so one day, maybe in the future, but we have to get there.

06:02:33.640 That's, like, far in the future.

06:02:34.520 I see where you're coming from.

06:02:35.620 Your point is 100% valid.

06:02:37.160 But I think there's just issues that we're working on right now.

06:02:39.620 And maybe one day in the future, once we've achieved these issues, then this bigger issue can be talked about.

06:02:44.980 You think in the future women or feminists are going to start advocating – 0.76

06:02:49.360 like, they'll be in the streets with pussy hats saying, 0.97

06:02:52.380 we want to get drafted too. 0.96

06:02:54.240 We want to get shell-shocked. 0.92

06:02:55.740 Well, you guys are bringing up two contradictory opinions when you say you want women to stay at home

06:03:00.780 and nurture and raise the kids.

06:03:01.920 I didn't say that.

06:03:02.600 Well, prior to this debate – not right now.

06:03:05.780 I'm talking about earlier in this conversation.

06:03:07.760 You guys had such strong ideals about how a woman, like, needs to be the nurturer for the child.

06:03:12.040 I didn't say that.

06:03:12.860 I just said I don't –

06:03:13.680 That's what I said.

06:03:14.140 I just said I don't think a woman's career makes her more physically – 0.96

06:03:18.700 like, makes her more attractive as a potential mate. 1.00

06:03:21.740 I didn't say that they have to.

06:03:24.160 I said that's my preference.

06:03:25.660 You'd want to protect them if you stay at home.

06:03:28.100 If that is my preference, and if they do take that role upon themselves,

06:03:33.160 then I would be willing to go to war, for example.

06:03:36.040 And think about historically.

06:03:36.700 We're talking about World War I.

06:03:38.400 That's 1918.

06:03:39.640 Back in that day, people were having kids at 18, 19, 20.

06:03:43.060 Okay?

06:03:43.500 These women who – many men had the same exact values like you did. 1.00

06:03:47.020 So it made sense for the men to be drafted.

06:03:49.000 There's a lot of base guys out there.

06:03:50.200 Exactly.

06:03:50.360 There's a lot of guys like you.

06:03:51.300 They think about this.

06:03:52.080 It makes sense for the guys to go out in war if a man has this –

06:03:55.720 Yes.

06:03:55.920 If a man has this opinion that the woman should stay at home, nurture the kid, raise the kid, you know?

06:04:00.520 So that way he has something to come home to when he's back.

06:04:02.840 But then again, like, I'm saying that I'd be happy to do that and to have that gender inequality if that was the case 0.95

06:04:10.560 and if my wife was staying at home.

06:04:12.040 Okay.

06:04:12.220 But you guys are saying that you don't want to play your role in the gender equality spectrum.

06:04:17.020 If we're talking about traditional gender roles, but you want us to play our role.

06:04:20.760 Well, now we're talking about warfare.

06:04:22.420 If it's warfare, it's a different story because I think my opinion on the matter would change based on circumstance personally for me.

06:04:29.820 What do you mean?

06:04:30.560 What circumstance?

06:04:31.360 For example, if there was a war going on and was being drafted and let's say I had a husband, right, and I had a child,

06:04:38.360 someone would need to stay at home.

06:04:40.040 Whether it's me or my husband, we have to make the decision.

06:04:41.880 Who's staying at home and going to take care of the child?

06:04:43.540 That's why they say in times of warfare, people go back to their traditional roles.

06:04:46.320 Exactly.

06:04:46.780 In terms of warfare, I would revert back to my traditional.

06:04:49.600 I 100% would.

06:04:50.600 So, okay.

06:04:51.300 So you're a feminist. 1.00

06:04:54.540 You're a feminist in peacetime. 1.00

06:04:56.260 Yes.

06:04:56.640 No, you're, yes, you're a feminist in peacetime. 1.00

06:04:58.560 This conversation has come full circle.

06:05:00.180 Yeah.

06:05:01.860 There's no feminist. 1.00

06:05:03.800 Let's just go home.

06:05:05.060 We're going to rap.

06:05:05.660 We're going to rap soon.

06:05:06.620 But there's no.

06:05:09.820 Hold on.

06:05:10.460 Hold on.

06:05:10.640 There's no feminist when China invades. 1.00

06:05:16.660 There's no feminist when Russia invades. 1.00

06:05:18.380 There's no.

06:05:18.640 Have you seen that meme where someone's like a lady cleaning the dishes and it says like 1.00

06:05:21.960 feminist during wartime?

06:05:23.340 Yeah, exactly.

06:05:24.880 Or not traditional women during wartime.

06:05:28.440 Yeah.

06:05:28.980 Yeah. 1.00

06:05:30.420 Oh, shit. 1.00

06:05:31.080 There was something on that. 1.00

06:05:32.520 Oh, wait.

06:05:32.900 No.

06:05:33.580 No, no, no.

06:05:33.900 I'm almost done.

06:05:34.440 I swear.

06:05:34.820 I swear.

06:05:34.940 You've said that for the past 30 minutes.

06:05:36.620 I swear.

06:05:37.020 Hold on.

06:05:37.700 No.

06:05:38.100 Oh, you said we'd end at 10.

06:05:40.400 Hold on.

06:05:40.680 Hold on.

06:05:40.940 Hold on.

06:05:41.040 Wait, wait, wait.

06:05:41.360 Last thing.

06:05:41.760 Last thing.

06:05:42.120 Last two things.

06:05:43.180 Wait. 1.00

06:05:43.620 Fuck. 1.00

06:05:43.860 What was it? 1.00

06:05:44.280 It was about.

06:05:46.560 Oh, okay.

06:05:47.500 Okay.

06:05:47.700 Sure.

06:05:48.180 So you mentioned World War II.

06:05:50.460 You mentioned 1918.

06:05:51.460 So in 1920.

06:05:52.080 World War I was 1918.

06:05:53.820 World War II was like 1940.

06:05:55.700 Okay.

06:05:55.960 World War I was 1914 to 1918.

06:05:58.840 World War II was, I believe, 1939 to 1945.

06:06:02.340 So in 1920, women got the right to vote.

06:06:09.160 Now, one, and keep in mind, for the vast majority of human history, men, the vast majority of

06:06:13.840 men didn't have the right to vote. 0.99

06:06:15.940 It was a very small period, very small period of human history.

06:06:18.960 I think about 100 years, maybe, maybe less than that, where more men, a gradual increase

06:06:26.920 of more men having the right to vote than women.

06:06:31.200 One of the primary reasons why that was is we were getting involved in these very, like,

06:06:36.900 almost global wars, a lot of wars.

06:06:39.160 So men were, had forced military conscription.

06:06:42.320 The way that men got the right to vote before women is because men were subject to military

06:06:47.000 conscription while women were not, which in my view is a privilege. 0.98

06:06:50.520 It's a female privilege to not be subject to go be forced onto a battlefield and go, again, 1.00

06:06:55.360 go get trench foot, go get chemical gas, go get a shell through your fucking skull. 0.99

06:07:00.440 I think it's a privilege that women got to stay home. 1.00

06:07:03.400 Let me ask you a question.

06:07:04.900 In 19, let's say you're, it's 1914, you're an 18-year-old.

06:07:10.360 You're in Germany or France. 0.74

06:07:12.600 Would you prefer to be an 18-year-old man or an 18-year-old woman in France or in Germany

06:07:20.280 in 1914?

06:07:24.140 You'd prefer to be a man?

06:07:25.360 I think that a lot of guys had, they felt honored to fight for their country.

06:07:29.860 I think that pride is.

06:07:31.060 We liked it.

06:07:31.620 Like, yeah, it was.

06:07:32.420 It's propaganda.

06:07:33.260 It's absolute propaganda.

06:07:35.280 Okay, were you an 18-year-old?

06:07:36.740 Can you relate to that?

06:07:37.620 Were you under the influence of propaganda?

06:07:39.080 How do you know?

06:07:39.980 Do you know how brutal World War I was?

06:07:43.340 World War I was the most, up until that point, was, and you could actually argue in some ways,

06:07:48.160 World War I was more brutal than World War II.

06:07:50.400 Oh, no, I know.

06:07:51.060 I know how brutal it was.

06:07:51.900 The trench warfare, you know, these men were on the front lines for months.

06:07:57.040 Germany, Britain, France, I know.

06:07:58.560 It was just.

06:07:59.180 They didn't sleep for months.

06:08:00.600 I know.

06:08:01.060 Roaring shells past you.

06:08:03.060 Half of your friends all dead.

06:08:04.780 You have trench foot. 0.97

06:08:05.960 Your foot is literally black.

06:08:07.660 You've been chemical gassed.

06:08:08.700 You have chemical burns all over your body.

06:08:10.900 Your ears are ringing because you've been bombarded with shells for months on end.

06:08:17.120 You've lost your hearing.

06:08:19.180 You haven't slept.

06:08:23.200 Yeah, World War I was pretty bad.

06:08:26.100 And this whole trope of military glory, that's what the propagandist wants.

06:08:30.860 That's what the, I don't know if patriots are the right word.

06:08:35.360 That's what the propaganda wants to teach men.

06:08:37.820 The reality is warfare is brutal in ways you cannot imagine.

06:08:43.960 There is no glory in war.

06:08:46.020 It will break men.

06:08:48.240 And the horrors of war cannot be, the horrors of war just cannot be, what's the word I'm looking for?

06:08:58.780 It's ineffable.

06:08:59.520 You can't say it in words.

06:09:00.940 Words escape.

06:09:01.760 If anybody wants to see what's going on in Ukraine at the moment, I'll send you some telegram.

06:09:05.280 They tell men that there's glory in war, but the reality is when you're freezing cold in the trenches in Amiens or in the Ardennes or the Argonne Forest in France,

06:09:16.300 and you've been fighting Germans for fucking nine months, and you've got chemical burns from the chemical gas, you've got trench foot, you've haven't seen, you've seen three-fourths of your military comrades killed in action,

06:09:32.640 you've got ringing tinnitus, I'm sorry, but like, yes, that is... 0.97

06:09:41.360 I feel personally oppressed right now.

06:09:42.780 I was going to say, you've replaced our voices.

06:09:43.480 Can we please go home?

06:09:44.660 All right.

06:09:45.220 We want to go home.

06:09:46.560 We're not going to talk because we are so tired.

06:09:48.520 Okay, all right.

06:09:49.420 You did a great job.

06:09:51.320 Clap to the patriarchy.

06:09:53.360 Last thing on Bali Aton.

06:09:54.480 I swear, I swear, I swear, I swear, I swear, I swear, I swear, I promise, I promise, I promise.

06:09:57.980 Wait, wait, last thing, last thing, last thing.

06:09:59.360 Modern day, modern day, last thing, last thing.

06:10:00.640 Can you see the view?

06:10:01.400 Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

06:10:02.880 Last thing, last thing, last thing, last thing, last thing.

06:10:05.760 Okay, upon birth, upon birth.

06:10:08.540 Oh, my God!

06:10:09.820 Whoa, hold on, hold on.

06:10:10.740 We're done, we're done, we're done.

06:10:12.680 It's literally going to take me 30 seconds.

06:10:14.240 Upon birth, upon, literally 30 seconds, trust me.

06:10:18.280 When it comes to bodily autonomy, every single, every single, not, I shouldn't say every single,

06:10:24.480 most men in this country are circumcised upon birth.

06:10:27.460 Let's talk about bodily autonomy.

06:10:28.740 They don't have the choice, that, that should be something that they should be able to consent

06:10:33.020 to, they, they don't have consent, they're, they're infants, they're, they have their genitals 0.99

06:10:38.440 mutilated, I know you're laughing, I'm sure it's funny to you, that, that all these, these 0.98

06:10:43.060 boys in this country, in various other countries, have their genitals mutilated without their

06:10:47.160 consent on birth, but, that's, let's have a conversation about bodily autonomy.

06:10:52.720 Those are two ways that men don't have bodily autonomy.

06:10:55.660 I'll leave it at that, I don't think you want to respond, I'm going to wrap up the show.

06:10:59.140 All right, guys, whoo, good times, guys, twitch.tv slash whatever, drop us a follow, drop us a

06:11:05.940 prime, so thank you guys, appreciate it.

06:11:07.360 All right, guys, last call, hit the like button, please, on your, we don't have any chats, right,

06:11:11.060 Nick?

06:11:12.220 No.

06:11:12.500 We're good, okay, we're, we're good on chats, um, wait, you sure?

06:11:17.200 Yeah, we're good, okay, guys, last call, hit the, what?

06:11:20.120 No, that's, okay, last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out, thank you for tuning

06:11:23.840 in tonight, you can have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me, I appreciate

06:11:27.380 that.

06:11:27.920 Thank you to everyone, you can hide that, Nick.

06:11:29.780 Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show, any girls who want to

06:11:33.380 be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram.

06:11:34.680 If you can make it to Santa Barbara, thank you to the wonderful panel tonight, um, that

06:11:40.080 was, it was a good conversation, I'm sure I made a lot of friends there with that last

06:11:43.100 30, 30 minutes, um, thank you, thank you guys to the panel, I know we went a little late,

06:11:47.500 I appreciate that, guys.

06:11:48.780 O7's in the chat, we will, oh, guys, we're going to be live on Thursday, got a big guest

06:11:54.220 coming Thursday, be sure to tune in Thursday, we're doing two shows on Thursday, uh, midday

06:11:58.780 and then our dating talk.

06:11:59.960 Okay, guys, O7's in the chat, goodnight, guys, we'll see you next time.

06:12:04.680 Bye.

Whatever Podcast - January 31, 2024

Men Make NO EFFORT？! What Do They Bring To The Table？ HEATED DEBATE w⧸ Feminists! ｜ Dating Talk #131

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