Whatever Podcast - Michael Knowles DESTROYS Whatever Podcast？! Are OF⧸E-Girls Traditional？!

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00:03:06.220 disclaimer, the views expressed by the panelists do not necessarily reflect the views of the

00:03:10.660 whatever podcast or the host. And actually I'd also like to throw out, Nick, if you're

00:03:14.260 able to pull it up, Michael Knowles has a fantastic YouTube channel, but also, also a fantastic

00:03:21.560 cigar company. Um, you make a great point to there. It is Mayflower. Oh, sorry. I didn't

00:03:27.720 mean, there it is there. You know, it's, uh, and actually just for this show, we are now,

00:03:33.600 we sold out four months supply in 24 hours. We've been out of stock. It's the, it's the biggest

00:03:38.040 cigar lunch ever. Everyone wants it. We've been out for months just for this show.

00:03:43.640 Oh, pre-orders are live again. Oh, mayflowercigars.com. Is there a coupon code or whatever? Uh, we

00:03:47.900 should do a coupon code. Can we do a coupon code for real? You know what I have to say

00:03:50.180 though? You have to be 21 years old or older to smoke cigars and, uh, some exclusions

00:03:53.940 apply. Something though I was 15. It doesn't matter. You know what? Can you pull up the thing

00:03:58.460 one more time? The, the, the window tab with his website. That's not exactly, I was hoping

00:04:05.160 the, the homepage. Do we have, do we have the homepage? Well, it's whenever you get

00:04:11.660 it. Take your time. Take your time. No rush. It's all good. Yeah. Oh, boom. Look

00:04:15.840 at that. You know what? Um, how did you come up with the name Mayflower? Well, my, some of

00:04:22.920 my family, not the Italian part, but the English part came over on the Mayflower. Oh, wow.

00:04:28.020 That's so sick. I thank you. Super sick. Thank you. That's an endorsement right there

00:04:31.920 from Cindy Zang. All right. We should put that on the website. Yeah. I should promote

00:04:36.360 your, be a model. Oh, that would be great. I'll get you a cigar. Okay. She's on the hustle.

00:04:40.860 Um, so I, I don't know. I was going to make a point about the, oh, there, there it is.

00:04:45.880 If you want to, uh, the, the other end, there we go. That's great. That's well done. All right.

00:04:56.300 That's good. And is it in association with the daily wire? It is. Yeah. We, I went to

00:05:01.500 the daily wire and I said, Hey, could I have a cigar company? And because the daily wire

00:05:06.560 doesn't make business decisions based on like finances or responsibility or logic, they were

00:05:13.260 just like, yeah, sure. Totally. And so we made this thing based in part on my family, you

00:05:17.600 know, the Mayflower, but also it's, that's very American and cigars are very floral. You get

00:05:22.020 a scent, you know, it's very religious. Smell it. I'm going to smell it right now. That's

00:05:26.120 what do you, what's your take? What do you think? It smells fresh. Very fresh. It does.

00:05:31.780 Yeah. Uh-huh. You can pass it around it. Uh, you know, it's religious in the sense that

00:05:36.120 the body is a temple and the temple needs incense. So you can get yours today. There you have

00:05:39.980 it. Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please,

00:05:44.860 starting with you, we'll have you tell us your name, age, location. So where you're from

00:05:48.940 and occupation. Go ahead. Hi guys. My name is Cindy Zhang. I am a model, actor, streamer,

00:05:56.580 and a lot of other stuff.

00:06:01.960 I'm Maddie. I'm from Atlanta. I'm 19 and I do OnlyFans.

00:06:07.280 I'm Naomi. I'm 25. I'm from Scottsdale and I do OnlyFans.

00:06:12.000 My name's Sophie. I'm 21. Um, I'm still figuring out my occupation, but I'm from Atlanta. I just

00:06:18.560 moved to San Diego. Hi, I'm Nicolette. I'm 24. I do OnlyFans. I'm a stripper and I'm from

00:06:26.200 Orange County, California. Hi, I'm Mia. I am 21. I'm from L.A. and I do OnlyFans.

00:06:34.040 Hello, my name is Madison Vu. I'm 19 years old. I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City

00:06:39.000 College at the moment. I work on the Whatever Podcast as well as the Rose with Myanmar.

00:06:45.640 I'm Michael Knowles. I am a cigar salesman and I do not yet do OnlyFans. And I don't intend

00:06:51.860 to. I don't think I would do very well on it, but I certainly don't now.

00:06:55.020 There's a market for everything.

00:06:56.260 If you collaborate with me.

00:06:57.880 I don't know. My priest might not totally...

00:07:00.640 I'll make sure your business is skyrocketing.

00:07:01.780 Oh, well, okay. In that case, maybe.

00:07:04.540 Okay, there you have it. Going around the table once more, what is everybody's current

00:07:10.800 relationship status? So, are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits,

00:07:15.260 relationship, married, polycule, sex cult? If you're single, how long have you been single?

00:07:19.820 What's your longest relationship? Go ahead.

00:07:22.620 I am single. So, any of you guys that are watching, you know, hit my line. But, like,

00:07:29.960 my longest? Maybe, like, half a year. I haven't really dated long term.

00:07:36.720 I'm single. I've been single for a little over a year. My longest relationship was...

00:07:41.620 I'm single. I've been single for a little bit over two years. But, yeah.

00:07:49.520 I'm single. I just broke off an engagement. My longest relationship is probably two years

00:07:56.220 on and off.

00:07:57.260 When did you break off the engagement?

00:07:59.300 Like, a month ago.

00:08:00.380 A month ago. What happened there?

00:08:03.200 I think it just came down to compatibility and the other person not knowing what they

00:08:07.480 wanted. When we started dating, he was originally a woman. And then, after the engagement, he

00:08:16.420 transitioned into a man. So, I think it was something that just, we weren't compatible.

00:08:20.860 Wait. So, you said he was originally a woman. So, born female?

00:08:27.380 Born female, transitioned to male.

00:08:29.500 So, you were dating a female initially and engaged to a female?

00:08:35.860 Um, yes. I'm not sure the most respectful way to put it. But when we started dating, he said,

00:08:44.560 I'm a woman. I want to be treated like a woman. And then, he transitioned.

00:08:47.860 Well, wouldn't it have been she said, if we're talking past tense? Well, actually, I'm not

00:08:53.600 sure on this one.

00:08:55.300 I think now they say, whatever you change to, that's the one you always were.

00:08:58.720 Even if you're talking like, it's a historical...

00:09:01.220 Caitlyn Jenner won the men's decathlon. She did a great job. That's what they want you

00:09:05.660 to say.

00:09:05.960 Now, the most respectful way to put it is to use their chosen pronouns.

00:09:10.600 Okay. Even when... Okay.

00:09:12.660 Even when... So, it didn't start off that way. But now, he prefers to be called he, so she

00:09:16.200 respects that.

00:09:16.800 But if you're talking about something in the past...

00:09:19.760 Can you retroactively change it?

00:09:21.700 Like, he said, he said X, but at that point, he was a she. So, then, would it not... Could

00:09:29.480 you say she?

00:09:30.600 I think everyone's opinion is different. And it's just what is most respectful to the person

00:09:37.600 and what they prefer. And so, midway through your relationship, she wanted to become a

00:09:46.840 man.

00:09:47.700 Midway, like halfway through the engagement, one day, out of nowhere, he said, I'm a man.

00:09:53.480 I'm going to start my transition. I'm going to get on testosterone. You're on board or

00:09:57.240 not.

00:09:57.560 Where did that come from?

00:09:59.600 I genuinely don't know because it wasn't talked about ever before that. It was just kind

00:10:03.200 of one day. It was like, this is what's happening.

00:10:05.200 Did you ask? Were you just like, well, sure, sure.

00:10:08.820 I definitely was interested in getting, like, knowing why and when he made that decision.

00:10:14.820 And he said he had talked to past exes about the transition. And they were basically like,

00:10:20.320 if you transition, I'm going to break up with you. And that wasn't my position on it.

00:10:24.340 I just was kind of like, why would you not bring this up before you asked me to marry

00:10:28.420 you?

00:10:30.560 Huh. Okay.

00:10:31.520 Okay. Um, biologically, does he still have a vagina? Um, respectfully, I'm not gonna talk

00:10:41.140 about his.

00:10:41.840 Okay.

00:10:42.180 Yeah.

00:10:42.740 So do you, uh, in terms of your sexuality, are you bisexual? Are you straight? Are you

00:10:47.560 lesbian?

00:10:47.920 I think I'm still figuring it out, but I think I'm bisexual, leaning mostly towards women.

00:10:52.380 Okay. Got it. Okay. Nicolette, what about you?

00:10:57.240 Um, I'm single. My longest relationship, seven years. And I've been single for almost two

00:11:04.060 years.

00:11:05.740 Okay.

00:11:07.260 I am single. I've been single for about a year. And that's it.

00:11:14.060 Okay. Sorry.

00:11:15.060 I'm not single. I'm in a beautiful, lovely, committed relationship with my boyfriend, Frankie.

00:11:20.620 Um, my current relationship is my longest relationship. It's about a year and five months.

00:11:25.260 I'm married with children. I have been married for five and a half years. I dated my now wife

00:11:35.220 again, starting like age 21, 22. But we dated the first time when we were 16 to 18. We basically

00:11:44.220 everyone told us we had to break up for college. And then we got back together at the end of

00:11:47.220 college. And we met when we were 10 or 11.

00:11:51.040 Oh, wow. That's beautiful. Oh, thanks. So that's my longest relationship, you know,

00:11:57.500 because that's most of my life. That doesn't, that did not, hold on, Cindy, that did not sound

00:12:01.780 very authentic when you said that. I thought that was sincere. That's very cute. Was that

00:12:05.060 not sincere? Yeah, I don't want that. I thought it was cute. No, it was sincere. I thought it

00:12:08.720 was. It was. You're talking about my brand ambassador for Mayflower Cigars here. She wouldn't,

00:12:12.860 she wouldn't be facetious. You guys have kids? We do. How many? Two and a half. Boy or

00:12:17.960 girl. So we got, so two boys and then the one that's cooking, we don't quite know. We're

00:12:22.540 not going to find out yet. Oh my gosh, congratulations. Thank you. So I, we're, you know, it'd be nice

00:12:27.740 to have a daughter so that someone would take care of me and my wife in our old age and, you

00:12:31.980 know, be like nice to us and things. But I don't know. I, I, my wife thinks perhaps the

00:12:36.960 new one is a boy. And I, I think I'm so teeming with testosterone and Y chromosomes and

00:12:43.320 virility. I don't know that I would succeed at producing a daughter, but we're trying. Quick question.

00:12:47.960 Yeah. Why does she have to be a girl to take care of you in old age? Why couldn't your

00:12:52.700 sons do that? Look, they could, but I'm just looking at knowing how men. Women are more

00:12:57.220 like caretakers. They are, is the thing. I look, it'd be nice if they didn't shove us

00:13:01.000 in a home. I'm just looking at statistics and probability. I think they'll take care

00:13:03.520 of you either way. That's your kids. That's your kids. Look, that's very sweet of you to

00:13:07.060 say. And I hope you're right. Me too. But I don't want to bet on that. You know, I want

00:13:10.520 to, I want to cover my bases. Well, maybe I'll get a daughter. I might, I might.

00:13:14.160 Actually, Michael adopted me, so I, I'm going to take care of you. Thank you. And you're

00:13:21.360 actually, wait, how old are you? Thank you, son. 33. Oh, I'm actually older than you,

00:13:25.620 so I don't know how that works out. The last panel I was on, the, the gals came up to me

00:13:30.040 after. They said, Michael, we thought you were much older than you are. I said, what does

00:13:33.580 that mean? Oh man, I thought you were like 50 or something. I said, well, that's very insulting.

00:13:36.960 Why would you? She said, no, I'm just saying, man, you don't, you don't give millennial

00:13:40.980 vibes. You know, you give, you're like a big boomer. And she was just insulting me

00:13:45.500 right to my face. I thought, yeah, it's outrageous. You don't look old though. Thank

00:13:49.380 you. You look great. You have really pretty skin. What'd you say? I said, you have really

00:13:52.860 pretty skin. Flawless. Oh, come on. Yeah, drop the skincare routine for all the girls. All

00:13:59.520 right. So the skincare routine, number one, you got to descend from Italians. So you have

00:14:03.500 to produce olive oil just on your face all the time. And then you should shower, you know,

00:14:08.720 regularly and that's about it. Wow. Simple, simple. I'm half Italian. I guess I got like

00:14:13.940 half that gene. Yeah. You've got great skin. Thank you. Okay. All right. Well, I'm curious

00:14:19.000 because aside from Madison and Michael here, it sounds like all of you are single. So what

00:14:25.480 does being single in 2020, is it 24? Oh my God. What does that, what does that actually mean?

00:14:32.380 What does that look like? So Cindy and the rest of you, um, you've been single. Come

00:14:40.160 on. There's guys in the picture, right? No. I don't know. The way you kind of darted your

00:14:46.500 eyes a little bit makes me question if that's true. No, there isn't. I just, just been working.

00:14:53.860 No guys, no guys in the picture. So if I told you that somebody DM'd me after your last appearance

00:15:00.460 and said, well, actually I've been romantically involved with Cindy, that wouldn't. What?

00:15:06.560 I'm just kidding. Nobody did. I'm just kidding. I'm like, who? Uh, okay. Snoop Dogg? I don't

00:15:12.980 know. Who? Snoop Dogg? What? Did he DM you? Oh, no, but another rapper did. Anyways. Um,

00:15:19.940 well, what about you? So you're single, right? But, um, is there, there's, and when we say

00:15:24.800 single, like let's also include, uh, situationships, sneaky links, friends with benefits. What's

00:15:32.720 a sneaky link? Ladies want to help me out on this one? Um, it's a person you sneakily link

00:15:39.520 with. Yeah. And by link. That makes sense. On the low. Yeah. Because you're not, you're

00:15:44.740 ashamed of it. You're low key about shit. You don't care about, like, it's not like you're

00:15:48.200 going to date the person, but it's cool if you hang out. What's the difference between

00:15:52.020 that and a friend with benefits? Basically the same thing, but like keep it a secret.

00:15:56.840 Is it more sneaky? Why is it more sneaky? Because the person is more shameful? It's

00:16:00.560 just more, no, it's just, you don't want everyone knowing your business. It's just low key.

00:16:04.140 Like, you know what I mean? New turn. Yeah. It's like you don't pop out together, but you

00:16:07.620 leave together. Yeah. That's what a, what a devastating description that would be. It is.

00:16:13.620 It's like, you know, you don't pop out together, but she leaves with you. It is. That's exactly

00:16:17.900 what happens. Like, I swear, that's exactly what happens, but it sucks. So now that we've

00:16:24.580 got some definitions. I don't like, I'm not talking to anyone at the moment though. Nobody? No.

00:16:29.100 Zero? Single, single. Single. Yeah. Very single. So, so, okay. I'll go around the table

00:16:35.920 on this, but what about you? Nothing, nothing in the picture. Nothing in the picture, but

00:16:41.840 I mean, we, we all get DMs. We're all cute girls. We all get DMs and stuff. We have options,

00:16:47.620 but no, I don't entertain anything right now. I'm just trying to work and grind out. Okay.

00:16:52.980 Okay. What about you? I'm currently single, single, single, not looking. Remind me, how recently

00:16:59.880 was the breakup of the engagement? It was like a month, a little bit over a month ago,

00:17:04.820 but then. Okay. How long were you guys dating for? Not long enough. How long? We probably

00:17:11.200 got engaged like four months after we started dating. So that was my first mistake. I will

00:17:16.300 say that. Okay. Who proposed? It was kind of, both of our leases were ending at the same

00:17:22.760 time and he was like, I really want to move in together. I really want to take this to the

00:17:26.220 next step. I was like, I really don't. Um, and then finally I agreed to move in together.

00:17:31.380 We were getting more serious and he was like, Hey, well, I don't want to move in with you

00:17:34.420 unless we're engaged. And I was like, okay, well, I'm not ready to commit my whole life

00:17:37.760 to you right now. So, and then he was like, it can be a long engagement. Like we can take

00:17:42.660 our time. We can figure things out as we go. And I was like, okay, sure. I like you.

00:17:46.380 I see. Okay. One, uh, is anybody, so you're bi, right? Anybody else here bi? Sexual?

00:17:53.660 I'm straight as a line. But I make fun girl content. Okay. Okay. Just for content. Self

00:18:04.200 promotion. How about, okay. So who's for content when you're making your content? Okay. What

00:18:09.440 about what about for actual romantic interest? No. Interpersonal romantic. Okay. Well, I think

00:18:20.780 women are beautiful. Yeah. And like, I'm a sexy. I love boobs. I love that. Like, okay.

00:18:25.580 I love boobs. I'm not attracted to women. Y'all just had Jasmine on here. That's my co-host

00:18:30.320 on thoughts with thoughts. I'm just thoughts with thoughts. T H O T. Yeah. That's good.

00:18:35.780 That's good. Okay. Um, question for you. How many first dates have you been on with a woman?

00:18:42.200 Oh my God. Like 10? Oh, 10. So question, who pays? I'm, I'm just curious, like on a, if

00:18:52.880 it's, you know, you get dinner, who pay, if it's two women, who pays? Yeah. Like I think

00:18:57.760 when I'm with a woman personally, I think it should be equal effort wise. Um, a lot of times

00:19:05.100 I offer to pay if it's going well or I offer to split it. But one thing I like about relationships

00:19:09.580 with women is they're not, there's not as much pressure with that kind of thing. So

00:19:13.900 it kind of like gives you the opportunity to get to know someone without like, okay, who's

00:19:18.500 paying or who's taking who out. It's kind of more like a friendship at the beginning.

00:19:23.920 Okay. Interesting. So you guys just split the bill or? I mean, in my experience, like if

00:19:28.920 it's going really well, like sometimes I'll offer to pay or sometimes the other person will

00:19:33.520 offer to pay. It kind of just depends. And do you have a different standard when like,

00:19:38.780 if you're going on a date with a guy, does it, does your standard change? I have never

00:19:42.820 since like before, since I was like 14 or 15, I've never subjected myself to going on

00:19:49.560 a date knowingly with a man. Um, what do you mean by subject? What do you mean by knowing?

00:19:54.240 I just don't really enjoy it. I just don't really, I mean, maybe my position will change. Like

00:19:59.940 if I really, really like a guy, I could see myself pursuing it into the relationship stage,

00:20:06.120 but I've just never really gotten to that point with a guy. And I've never really chosen to go

00:20:10.480 on a date with a guy over a woman. Why? When you say starting at 14, that's when I swore off men.

00:20:16.960 It wasn't swore off men, but I feel like, um, like middle school in my freshman year of high school,

00:20:22.040 I'd have those little cute little flings. It doesn't mean anything. You don't really do anything.

00:20:25.280 You just kind of hang out. And, um, once I got to the puberty point, I realized I liked women.

00:20:30.600 And that was the end of that. Um, but I feel like the older I get, the less closed off I get to

00:20:36.640 potentially pursuing a relationship with a man. But I think it would just have to be something

00:20:43.260 like a situation that stood out to me enough that I liked that person enough. And it just

00:20:48.660 hasn't. You haven't met Mr. Right. Wait, question. Was the precipitating factor of the end of your

00:20:55.140 engagement because of the transition of your partner? Um, I don't think that it wasn't because

00:21:02.780 of the transition of my partner. I feel like it was because of his failure to disclose certain

00:21:08.420 things to me and make things look a certain way and then turn out a different way. Um, I feel like

00:21:14.320 that it just caused a lot of trust issues because I'm like, if you thought about this a year ago and

00:21:18.360 you say you want to marry me and spend the rest of your life with me, then why would you not tell me

00:21:21.900 this? Did it just feel like betrayal? Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. And you mentioned that they knew this

00:21:26.360 before. And before you guys even got together. Yeah. And before I was more in like, I was convinced

00:21:31.920 I was a lesbian. Um, and I very well might be, but I'm just not as closed off to potentially letting

00:21:38.580 a relationship with a man happen. What would that even mean though? If you say like, I'm open to

00:21:43.500 dating men, but I might be a lesbian. What does that even mean in that circumstance? Didn't you just

00:21:48.200 say I'm obviously not a lesbian? I mean, I don't really like labels because I think I'm so young

00:21:51.940 and I'm still figuring it out. And I haven't like been on enough dates with guys to say I would never

00:21:57.680 end up with a man. Yeah. Um, but I just prefer not to, um, it's just kind of interesting. I'm not

00:22:04.640 really attracted to anything men have to offer. Yeah. Well, me neither, but I, it's, it's sort of

00:22:10.880 interesting. I can, I really empathize with you, but it's odd to say like, okay, here's what I'm doing and

00:22:17.380 here's my behavior and I'm open to going on a date with a guy and I haven't really gone on any dates

00:22:20.580 with guys, but maybe secretly deep down, I'm a lesbian. But I, to the way I think about what I

00:22:26.000 really am, I think like, well, I am the things that I do and I do things that I desire and I desire

00:22:31.980 things as I know them. And it's sort of just like, you know, it's not really deep down. I'm secretly

00:22:36.980 a lesbian. It's just that I feel like I don't have enough experience being with men to classify

00:22:42.280 myself as a lesbian and I'm still figuring it out. I'm a very open person and I feel like

00:22:47.460 subjecting myself to labels makes it harder to be open to new situations. Do you want to have kids?

00:22:55.220 I do want to have kids. Okay. Do you, and, but if your partner ends up being a woman, would you adopt?

00:23:00.320 Would you do a surrogacy? I think that'd be something I talk about with my partner and see

00:23:05.000 what they're comfortable with. But I think no matter what we do, I mean, I'm open to a lot of different

00:23:09.460 options. Got it. Uh, Nick, by the way, to the whatever Instagram, I sent a Twitter video that

00:23:14.400 I tweeted out a while ago related to the who should pay thing. That's kind of somewhat related

00:23:19.720 to this. Um, but moving on. So, okay. Nicolette single, but come on, there's, you got a sneaky link

00:23:26.580 maybe, right? Sneaky link, nothing. It's hard out here. It's hard out here. Why, why is it hard

00:23:32.180 out here? Um, guys just like suck in bed. Oh, so I'm like, I don't even want to like try

00:23:39.440 and like be disappointed and just catch an extra body. True. So I'm just like, you know,

00:23:44.300 I have my Hitachi. There's, there seems to be some, uh, concurring. Yes, it's true. What's a Hitachi?

00:23:49.720 What's a Hitachi? It's a giant vibrator. Oh, okay. I was thinking of the Japanese dinner place

00:23:54.780 where they throw the shrimp in your mouth. Oh, Hibachi. It sounds like a lot of the women's,

00:24:07.440 uh, women, excuse me, concurred with her position that, well, why even add a, uh, another sexual

00:24:15.160 partner? Reuse and recycle. Because not even getting sexually pleasured. And you can do it

00:24:22.960 butter yourself. Yeah. When you have, yeah, literally. Oh, okay. All right. So that's it.

00:24:27.640 That's the primary reason you're single, Nicole, is the men are just terrible in bed. Is that it?

00:24:31.880 Well, that's not why I'm single. That's just why I don't have like a sneaky link. Oh, yeah. Well,

00:24:35.560 what, what's, okay. Then why are you single? I'm single because I'm doing like active sex work and

00:24:42.800 it's just like harder to date. And I just like want to focus on me. And once I'm at where I want in my

00:24:49.860 career and financially, then I'll be able to date. Would you, would you give that up to,

00:24:55.060 to date someone? If someone's willing to like fund my life, then yeah. Why do you have to look for

00:25:00.740 someone to fund your life? Because why would I quit what I'm doing? That makes me like so much money.

00:25:06.620 Well, if what you're, if what you're doing is preventing you from having something that you

00:25:09.960 would desire and would make you happy, then you might say, look, okay, I can make more money

00:25:14.100 stripping or whatever, but maybe I'll make double what I can make stripping, you know,

00:25:19.420 or I could make half of what I make stripping working at a Starbucks or something. I don't

00:25:23.140 want to work at a Starbucks. Like no woman wants to work, to be honest. So you want to find a man

00:25:28.200 and get married? Yeah. I'll be a fucking housewife. I'll clean and cook. But if you're saying,

00:25:31.660 if you're, that's all great. That's awesome. But so if what you're saying is doing your current job

00:25:36.280 is preventing you from doing that, shouldn't the first thing you do be to quit that job?

00:25:39.760 No. Why not? I'm young. I was in a relationship for seven years from like 15 to 22. So I just want

00:25:48.480 to like experience the single life and I like it. So I'm going to keep doing it. I thought, I thought

00:25:55.120 what you were saying was I do want to date someone and I do want to be a housewife and I do want

00:25:58.540 someone, I want someone to cook for. So if you want those things, then that means you probably don't

00:26:03.120 want the single stripper life because those things are mutually opposed, right? Yeah. I think I'll

00:26:08.840 probably like date in my thirties. And that's kind of putting it off a while, right? Don't

00:26:15.420 you want to like have kids and you know? Not right now. No. Thirties. Yeah. It's tougher

00:26:19.820 to have kids in your thirties. I'm fertile. And you did say that you would be, if I have

00:26:27.900 it correct, you would be willing to date if the man was prepared to provide for your lifestyle?

00:26:34.680 Yeah. Well, what, I mean, what are we talking here in terms of numbers? He's got to make

00:26:39.480 how much? Well, if I'm going to be like a stay at home, like wife, I'm going to need like

00:26:44.300 my car payment, all my bills, like hair, makeup, basically like everything. And that costs a

00:26:50.760 lot and no one like... Does it? What if your husband said, eh, you don't

00:26:55.340 need all that stuff? Then he's not the right guy. He's not the man for hurt. You've already

00:27:01.020 got the guy though. So why continue with the... Yeah. Why do you need to get your hair done

00:27:05.840 if you already got that? The point of getting your hair done, right, is to go like meet a

00:27:09.560 nice guy. No, to look good for my guy if I had one. Right. But if he's saying, well, I just

00:27:14.940 don't have the cash. So you might have to skip your twice a week hair appointment. Sorry,

00:27:18.900 babe, I'm going to spread my holes on the internet. Whoa.

00:27:20.900 Whoa. Hey.

00:27:24.900 Yeah. Yeah. That's straight up.

00:27:28.740 Yeah. My wife's never said that to me. I mean, you know, but then again, I don't tell her she

00:27:33.240 can't go to the hair appointment. So how about that? Yeah.

00:27:40.920 Before we move on here, I had that video that I wanted to pull up. So Nick, if you're able

00:27:45.240 to pull it up, did you find it?

00:27:48.900 Go ahead. Oh, wait. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. That's fine. It's fine. Let the audio play.

00:27:55.900 Go ahead.

00:28:05.900 That's actually funny. That's so funny.

00:28:10.900 Okay. Okay. Okay. Has that been your experience on dates with women?

00:28:14.900 I sent that video to my best friend, but no. Do you feel like who invites you should pay

00:28:21.900 or like whoever is the one that like comes up with the plan? Cause I kind of feel that

00:28:24.900 kind of feel that way in general. That's just kind of courtesy. Like if I were to invite

00:28:29.900 my man, I'd be like, okay, like I could pay. Like if like, yeah, I think that if I invited

00:28:33.900 you somewhere, you know, I think that if I were to take the time to plan out a date and

00:28:37.900 decide what we were doing and where we were going, I'd definitely feel obligated to pay.

00:28:41.900 Um, in your last relationship, who paid, who paid for the most of the things?

00:28:46.900 And my last relationship, um, my ex fiance paid for most of the things.

00:28:50.900 Okay. I also feel like in lesbian relationships, there's always someone that is a little more

00:28:54.900 the masculine partner and a little more the feminine.

00:28:57.900 I do agree with that. Um, but in most of my relationships and all of them actually, I've

00:29:01.900 been the more feminine one. And in most of my relationships, I've paid for more and taken

00:29:05.900 on that role. Really? I, we won't linger too long on the who should pay debate, but you

00:29:11.900 mentioned that, well, whoever pay, whoever asks ought to pay. Uh, so going around the

00:29:17.900 table, who agrees with that? Whoever asks, they should, they should pay for, for the date.

00:29:21.900 I think that's fair. I don't think like ought to, but like if, if I, I don't know, if I

00:29:26.900 invite my man, like I would just be okay with paying. Well, let's say first dates. Let's

00:29:29.900 talk first dates. First date now. A man got to pay for the first date. A man got to pay for

00:29:32.900 the first date. If he's pursuing me and taking me out. Yeah. If I'm on a first date

00:29:36.900 and they look at me, like pay this, I'm walking out. I'm walking out. No, you're walking out.

00:29:41.900 You won't hear from me again. I'm done and you can stay and figure that out for yourself.

00:29:46.900 That's not my business to handle. Like, sorry. Uh, wait, so just, okay. Going around the table.

00:29:51.900 I just want to get everybody's answer. Who should, who should. The guy definitely. Okay.

00:29:56.900 The man. I answered mine. Wait, was that always though? Well, you could just restate

00:30:00.900 date. Yeah. You know how I feel, but was. Wait, well, I want to get everybody's answers.

00:30:05.900 I wouldn't say, I would just clarify. Not always. I feel like once you guys get to know each

00:30:09.900 other, um, we could like go split half, you know, half and half. Uh, but I feel like the

00:30:17.900 guys I've dated, they've always wanted to pay for me. They would never be like, Oh, like

00:30:23.900 they would never let me pay. Okay. You know what I mean? If I plan something and I said,

00:30:28.900 I wanted to go here, I want to bring you here and I want to do this. I'm going to pay for

00:30:31.900 that. But any other way. Sure. It's on you. Yeah.

00:30:35.900 Nicolette. So I'm not going to pay. The man should pay whether it's the first date or the

00:30:42.900 10th date, unless we're like, you know, dating for a while, like exclusively, then we can split

00:30:47.900 sometimes. Sure. Mia, what about you? I think on the first date, yes, the man should pay.

00:30:52.900 I also think that if it is just a long-term relationship, then yes, you guys can share

00:30:57.900 payments and share that. I think that's just the overall, just, you don't, I'm not a housewife.

00:31:02.900 I can afford my bills. Do men like when you kind of like treat them sometimes?

00:31:06.900 You're like, I got you, babe. No, not really. I don't. I mean, I don't know. I'm married, so it's

00:31:11.900 not like I'm going on dates and stuff, but maybe if they're broke, I differ a little on this.

00:31:15.900 I feel like that could be cute. Once in a while, like, why don't you don't, I don't

00:31:19.900 want to treat you. Why do you not go on dates?

00:31:21.900 I'm married and my wife would object to that. She probably wouldn't, wouldn't take kindly

00:31:26.900 to it. I thought y'all were making content together. I'm going to tell you.

00:31:29.900 I know. I appreciate you. Yeah. But I, I must decline. So I, you know, I go like my wife

00:31:37.900 and I go to dinner. I get, but I wouldn't call that like a date. You know, I'm not going

00:31:40.900 to go, I'm not like picking up a chick. But making content together doesn't mean dating.

00:31:44.900 Well, my wife and I don't make content together either. You know, I kind of do my podcast.

00:31:49.900 It's like a, I'm offering like a work, you're like my work partner.

00:31:54.900 You and I are work partners? Yeah, we're work partners.

00:31:56.900 Yeah. I mean, I, listen, I, I'm going to have to clear it with, uh, uh, my domestic partner

00:32:01.900 back home. I don't think she's going to take very happily to it. Yeah. But, but even when

00:32:05.900 dating, I, my wife would offer to pay, but I just, I don't like it. You know, I feel,

00:32:10.900 it feels kind of gay, you know? Yeah. It feels like I'm, you know, I'm the man. And even

00:32:17.900 at points in my life where I haven't had a lot of money, I still feel like the man should

00:32:20.900 hold the door, hold the car door, hold the restaurant door, hold the seat out and pay for

00:32:25.900 the bill.

00:32:26.900 So on the conversational thread we were having, I think it was one of you two who said, well,

00:32:34.900 whoever asks they should pay. Right. Yeah. Okay. And so, uh, who, who agrees with that?

00:32:41.900 Maybe just show of hands. Whoever asks should pay or you may.

00:32:45.900 Is it a longterm relationship?

00:32:47.900 No, first date, first date, first date. Yeah. Oh, first date. That's a man. Sorry.

00:32:51.900 You got to clear it by Brian. Okay.

00:32:53.900 But I'm not asking a man on a date.

00:32:54.900 Yeah. I'm not asking a man on a first date. Yeah. That, that's my kind of rebuttal to

00:32:58.900 the whoever I should pay because it sort of ignores the fact that in the vast majority

00:33:02.900 of circumstances, the man, the man is going to, yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So there's a couple

00:33:08.900 of threads I wanted to just wrap on here quick, but, um, so all of you, it sounded like want

00:33:14.900 the man to pay for the first date, correct? Okay. Except while you don't really date men.

00:33:21.900 So you didn't weigh on it. Well, you might.

00:33:25.900 Probably not. If you did though, would you want the man to pay?

00:33:29.900 Not necessarily. Fair enough. But you, uh, just a question for you. You don't do, uh,

00:33:33.900 adult content at all. Do you? No. Okay. But all besides Madison and Michael and myself,

00:33:39.900 everyone else here does do adult content to varying degrees of, uh, nudity, I guess you could say. Um,

00:33:49.900 my question for you then is you have a rather traditional expectation of men, but please don't be offended.

00:33:57.900 Uh, I would argue that being involved in, uh, pornography is rather non-traditional.

00:34:05.900 So why do you, how do you reconcile expecting traditional treatment from men

00:34:09.900 when you guys are engaged in very non-traditional, uh, very non-traditional occupation and behavior?

00:34:15.900 It's work. So for me originally, I actually worked in the tech industry for two and a half years and I was doing only fans on the low.

00:34:25.900 Um, Naomi's not my legal name.

00:34:27.900 And I just did that because I didn't want to get fired because I was pretty high up in a tech company.

00:34:31.900 And then I just decided one day, I was like,

00:34:33.900 why am I making people millions of dollars when I can make myself millions of dollars?

00:34:36.900 Well, I'm not asking you to justify why you do the work that you do, but like, I'm asking why you have, I, I, I, I would assume that you would not categorize yourselves as traditional women.

00:34:48.900 Hmm. I was, my point was like, I was traditional and no one knew about this other side of me.

00:34:54.900 Sure. Right. So like, how long have you been doing only fans?

00:34:56.900 Uh, a year.

00:34:58.900 Okay. So my question is, is that you're not, none of you are traditional women yet.

00:35:05.900 You have very traditional expectations of men. How do you reconcile that?

00:35:09.900 I think for myself, I've been in longterm relationships alongside my job and how I reconciled with that was simply being very upfront with the realities that I was going to always make more income in that relationship.

00:35:23.900 And for that reason is why I say with longterm relationships, I wouldn't expect that man to pay for everything.

00:35:29.900 And I know that you agree that men should be paying for most everything.

00:35:31.900 Yeah.

00:35:32.900 And I do agree that depending on the type of circumstances of that relationship and who they are, that can happen as well.

00:35:37.900 So my relationship to traditional relationships is not exactly as they're seeing it out as, but I know for some, a lot of girls like to expect a traditional relationship, but reality hits, we're not traditional girls.

00:35:49.900 We do only fans. We do all these other things.

00:35:51.900 But you could just stop.

00:35:52.900 Yeah.

00:35:53.900 Right. And then you could just do the traditional thing and find this like, you know, rich Mac daddy.

00:35:57.900 Yeah. And he can pay for your hair and then you don't do the other thing.

00:36:00.900 Well, I do want to go around the table on this.

00:36:02.900 Cause that was a question that was posed generally, but to all of you.

00:36:07.900 So Cindy, how do you reconcile?

00:36:09.900 I think the man should definitely provide in a relationship.

00:36:12.900 And so then the woman should not be involved in pornography.

00:36:16.900 I'm not even involved.

00:36:17.900 I don't make, I don't make, um, like if you subscribe to me, I'm not, I actually don't.

00:36:24.900 And Pornhub actually reached out to me last time because you said that in the video that went viral.

00:36:29.900 Um, I'm not like, I'm not on Pornhub.

00:36:31.900 I don't do that kind of content.

00:36:34.900 Um, but going back to the question, like, yeah, I think the guy should provide been like that.

00:36:41.900 Um, the guy, the man chases after the girl.

00:36:45.900 So it's been like that.

00:36:47.900 It's always going to be like that.

00:36:49.900 And it doesn't matter if you do only fans, if you're a sexy model on the internet.

00:36:55.900 Um, it's not always what it seems.

00:36:59.900 Once you get to know the actual woman and talk to her like we are right now, then you'll actually get to know her.

00:37:06.900 It's not always like, um, sexualizing a woman because she's like, you know, she's hot and like, you know.

00:37:14.900 Oh, well.

00:37:16.900 I kind of.

00:37:17.900 I'm not sure if that really.

00:37:18.900 Okay.

00:37:19.900 Sorry.

00:37:20.900 I was going to say I kind of aligned with what you're trying to say is it's kind of a mask per se.

00:37:24.900 I don't like saying that, especially on camera, but our identities as these girls, as adult girls, is that we are these super hyper sexual beings.

00:37:33.900 And that's not always the reality.

00:37:35.900 Yeah.

00:37:36.900 That's not our actual identities.

00:37:37.900 Some of us don't even have the same names.

00:37:39.900 So I think that's where it kind of carries out into our personal lives and our private lives are very traditional as opposed to the untraditional ways that we present ourselves.

00:37:47.900 The persona online.

00:37:48.900 But because of that, we obviously like I felt like myself, I include that into my relationships.

00:37:53.900 There is a reality for myself, for others, perhaps not.

00:37:56.900 But is it really possible to like split yourself up into two people?

00:37:59.900 I mean, you could have a stage name and a real name.

00:38:02.900 And in your stage persona, you're one way.

00:38:04.900 And in your real life, you're another way.

00:38:05.900 But, you know, you're one person.

00:38:07.900 Not two different people.

00:38:08.900 Just the perception of how people see us online versus how we are in real life.

00:38:11.900 But I think that's to Brian's point.

00:38:12.900 When you're dating someone.

00:38:14.900 With two different identities.

00:38:15.900 You're both of those people, right?

00:38:17.900 And I guess you're going to be more one or the other.

00:38:19.900 Or you're just going to be, you're going to be an individual.

00:38:20.900 Exactly.

00:38:21.900 So the stage persona might start to infringe upon the reality.

00:38:27.900 And so would that change your expectations of the kind of guys you'd be dating or how you would behave with them?

00:38:34.900 For me, my ex was the only person I ever made content with, like, in that way.

00:38:39.900 Like, to the furthest extent of content, I guess.

00:38:42.900 No one else have I ever made content on that level with.

00:38:46.900 Everything else is just me.

00:38:48.900 You know, it's so crazy to think about the way we all talk today.

00:38:51.900 Is ordinarily what you'd be saying is we made love.

00:38:55.900 But we're such a capitalistic, materialist, decadent society.

00:38:59.900 Now you say, you know, my ex, he and I, we were so close, we made content together.

00:39:04.900 It was the deepest content ever.

00:39:06.900 You know, it's just something that's really gone wrong in our society, hasn't there?

00:39:09.900 Because really you should just be making love and making babies with these guys.

00:39:12.900 No, I agree.

00:39:13.900 I agree.

00:39:14.900 But the money is something that I really helped on and wasn't willing to walk away from.

00:39:18.900 It's very tempting.

00:39:19.900 If I can support myself and the people in my life, that's all I ask for.

00:39:24.900 Can I say something?

00:39:25.900 I think that not even, I don't even do content or anything, but I think we should treat people

00:39:32.900 that do the same as we treat actors.

00:39:34.900 Like we don't judge them for the movies or the roles they play in movies or anything because

00:39:38.900 the money is good.

00:39:39.900 Do we not?

00:39:40.900 No.

00:39:41.900 I mean, they're a little bit different.

00:39:42.900 Historically speaking, actors have been considered in the same class as like criminals and prostitutes.

00:39:47.900 Yes.

00:39:48.900 In my personal opinion, I don't look at a role my favorite actor plays and say, I don't like

00:39:53.900 this role, so I don't like this person.

00:39:55.900 It's kind of just like they're doing it for the money and they're doing it for the content.

00:39:58.900 And I think it's the same with OnlyFans.

00:40:00.900 No, no.

00:40:01.900 Sure.

00:40:02.900 I understand that there are like these, you put on a mask and you do it.

00:40:04.900 No.

00:40:05.900 So what do you think about that?

00:40:06.900 Yeah.

00:40:07.900 What do you think, Brian?

00:40:08.900 Well, look, let's, I think you're trying to make a point of something in a broader sense,

00:40:14.900 I'm talking on an interpersonal, interpersonal relationship level.

00:40:19.900 So for example, you could have, and I'll open this up to the whole panel, but I'll start

00:40:23.900 with you.

00:40:24.900 Would you object to a man who perhaps he has actually no issue with a woman being engaged

00:40:30.900 professionally with producing adult content?

00:40:33.900 He has no problem with it, no judgment of it.

00:40:36.900 However, when it comes to his personal life and who he chooses to partner with and date,

00:40:41.900 he does object to dating someone who has nude photographs of themselves on the internet

00:40:47.400 for whatever reasons those may be.

00:40:49.900 He's not outwardly judgmental about it, but when it comes to his personal preferences and

00:40:54.900 who he wants to date, marry, whatever it may be, he does not want to date a woman who

00:41:00.900 does OnlyFans or does porn.

00:41:02.900 Do you object to that preference?

00:41:04.900 No, I think everyone has different preferences and everyone should have the right to decide

00:41:08.900 that for himself.

00:41:09.900 Okay.

00:41:10.900 But then, then that man would be judging.

00:41:13.900 No, that's a personal preference.

00:41:15.900 There's a pool for everybody.

00:41:16.900 That's what I believe.

00:41:17.900 If there's a group of guys who's not okay with adult content, like then that's not the

00:41:21.900 guy for me.

00:41:22.900 So it's cool.

00:41:23.900 You don't want to date me.

00:41:24.900 I don't want to date you just as much.

00:41:25.900 That's how I see it.

00:41:26.900 I think the right one for you, you guys will come to a common ground together in the end.

00:41:32.900 But right now, I mean, we're all single.

00:41:34.900 We can all really do whatever we want without the feedback of a partner.

00:41:39.900 Sure.

00:41:40.900 Is it possible though, that if you didn't do what you do, that you could get a better

00:41:46.900 husband someday?

00:41:47.900 Is it possible that the kind of guy who you might want to marry is the kind of guy who

00:41:53.900 wouldn't want his wife to be in the sexual industry?

00:41:57.900 Not for me.

00:41:58.900 I think it depends on your standard of quality and what better actually is.

00:42:04.900 If you identify as better in a man would be somebody who is completely religious or is

00:42:09.900 completely conservative or somebody who is completely against pornography in general,

00:42:13.900 then better might be very, very large and different.

00:42:16.900 Well, what if it's even more basic?

00:42:17.900 Just like a guy who, he's more faithful to you.

00:42:19.900 He's better at raising the kids.

00:42:20.900 He makes more money.

00:42:21.900 He is more responsible.

00:42:23.900 If I met the right guy and he didn't want me to do this anymore and we were going to

00:42:27.900 be together, I'd quit.

00:42:28.900 You'd quit.

00:42:29.900 I'd be done.

00:42:30.900 I'd be done.

00:42:31.900 But that's not where I'm at in life right now.

00:42:32.900 Like I respect that.

00:42:33.900 I think everyone, that would be hard.

00:42:35.900 As a partner watching your partner online and for everyone else to see, like I don't

00:42:40.900 doubt that that's hard.

00:42:41.900 Is it possible though that what you're doing now is preventing you from meeting that guy?

00:42:46.900 Because that guy maybe wouldn't even look at your kind of content, right?

00:42:50.900 So is it possible that if you quit right now, you say, I want, you know, it's like dress

00:42:53.900 for the job you want, right?

00:42:55.900 You say, I'm going to quit right now and I'm going to go do something else and I'm going

00:42:58.900 to go put myself in places where I'm more likely to meet that guy, Mr. Right, who wouldn't

00:43:02.900 want me to be doing this stuff.

00:43:04.900 You know, is it, are we not reversing the order of the way things might happen?

00:43:09.900 I hear what you're saying and I agree with you to, to a sense, but I think, I think the

00:43:15.900 guy for me is going to be the guy for me in the end and I don't need to change what

00:43:18.900 I'm doing right now for him.

00:43:21.900 I think for, sorry.

00:43:22.900 No, please.

00:43:23.900 I think for a lot of us, at least for my sense, is I prefer a partner who's understanding

00:43:28.900 and with transparency.

00:43:29.900 So if they're willing to understand the reasonings that I chose to do my job and chose my occupation

00:43:35.900 and have continued it for so long, then I think that's the perfect partner for me.

00:43:39.900 Not everybody is going to understand and not everybody that does understand is perfect

00:43:43.900 for me.

00:43:44.900 And one day, just as she's saying, is that person may come around and that might be the

00:43:47.900 perfect fit.

00:43:48.900 But I don't think that everybody is possibly perfect even if they don't appreciate or are

00:43:54.900 accepting what I've done in the past.

00:43:56.900 So for that reason, I think it just comes around.

00:43:58.900 Obviously, yes, if we all lost our jobs and we all chose to leave it, yes, there'd be a

00:44:01.900 larger percentage of men or women who are willing to be with us.

00:44:05.900 Obviously, she doesn't perform this type of work.

00:44:07.900 But regardless, I think as well, just because we continue to do this to today, then I think

00:44:14.900 most of us would prefer somebody who is understanding and passionate for our decisions.

00:44:19.900 Because you're putting the job before the larger pool potentially of guys.

00:44:23.900 Completely.

00:44:24.900 And I think it's also because that can show more of a moralistic value as opposed to the

00:44:29.900 simplicity of, oh, so she left it.

00:44:31.900 Great.

00:44:32.900 Now I can finally hop in because now she's out of that system.

00:44:35.900 Not necessarily that's what you're saying.

00:44:37.900 No, it's not.

00:44:38.900 I guess if you quit, it would probably reflect a change in your point of view about it.

00:44:42.900 Completely.

00:44:43.900 I don't know.

00:44:44.900 When I was a younger man back in my youth, I was more of a derelict and did all sorts

00:44:47.900 of things I shouldn't do.

00:44:49.900 And mercifully, I married my wife who's much more virtuous than I am.

00:44:54.900 But that required me to become a little bit more virtuous.

00:44:58.900 I actually wasn't really deserving of my wife.

00:45:01.900 And so I worked on certain things and partied less and stopped behaving badly for the most

00:45:08.900 part.

00:45:09.900 And so it's not like we're all just static, right?

00:45:11.900 It's not all just like, well, the man for me is going to take me exactly as I am.

00:45:14.900 I don't know.

00:45:15.900 I'm not perfect.

00:45:16.900 I've got to work on all sorts of things every single day.

00:45:17.900 So wouldn't the same be true for all of you?

00:45:19.900 Yeah.

00:45:20.900 Completely.

00:45:21.900 100%.

00:45:22.900 Something that was interesting was like, you said something about being in the right

00:45:26.900 place or different places if we weren't in this work.

00:45:29.900 I just don't agree with that because I do look at it as work.

00:45:32.900 I think all of us look at it as work.

00:45:33.900 Yeah.

00:45:34.900 So like, yes.

00:45:35.900 It's just a certain type of work.

00:45:36.900 Pool wise.

00:45:37.900 Yes.

00:45:38.900 There's a different dating pool for us as sex workers, but I disagree that we wouldn't

00:45:42.900 be like, you're religious, right?

00:45:45.900 Pretty religious.

00:45:46.900 Okay.

00:45:47.900 Like if, do you think sex workers, like they're contradicting themselves by being religious?

00:45:52.900 I'm not personally religious, but.

00:45:54.900 No.

00:45:55.900 Well, you know, our Lord did dine with prostitutes and, but, but that's not an endorsement of

00:45:59.900 prostitution, right?

00:46:00.900 So I don't, I don't know.

00:46:01.900 I think probably what often, it could be hypocrisy.

00:46:04.900 It could be that you say one thing and preach another and you don't really believe what you're

00:46:07.900 threatening if you're say a prostitute or a porn actress and you say you're Christian.

00:46:12.900 But what it probably more likely is, is you recognize something in your mind has changed

00:46:17.900 and you recognize that there's something good here that I should follow.

00:46:21.900 But you know, the body is kind of slow to follow and you like the money and you're

00:46:24.900 kind of used to doing this and there's a fear of what might happen next and you're

00:46:28.900 not even totally convinced.

00:46:29.900 And because we're not just brains floating in outer space and we're not just bodies as

00:46:34.900 unfortunately the sex industry would portray us to be, but we're both of those things.

00:46:38.900 And so it creates a bit of a cognitive dissonance.

00:46:40.900 And then one is going to win out over the other and one hopes it would be the better

00:46:45.900 alternative.

00:46:46.900 So I guess that's another thing that I wanted to ask you to for clarification.

00:46:49.900 So if we were to end sex work, right?

00:46:52.900 For us, if I were to quit, would I have to be like, oh, that was a bad idea.

00:46:56.900 Like I regret it.

00:46:57.900 Like, or could I possibly just be like, it doesn't make me happy anymore.

00:47:00.900 Yeah.

00:47:01.900 You could quit and say, I'm just quitting because you know, it's Tuesday and I feel

00:47:04.900 like quitting.

00:47:05.900 You could do that.

00:47:06.900 That's fine.

00:47:07.900 I suspect that what would happen over time is as you, you know, people are always moving.

00:47:13.900 You're always growing, you know, you grow or you die.

00:47:15.900 And so you'll continue to think things and your thoughts will change.

00:47:18.900 And very likely if you are impelled to leave that kind of work because you have just an

00:47:24.900 inclination that it might be better for you if you get out, probably over time, you're

00:47:27.900 going to look back and say, huh, you know, I probably shouldn't have done that.

00:47:30.900 Not the proudest thing I've ever done.

00:47:31.900 But you know, that's why pencils have erasers.

00:47:34.900 And I'm very glad that I can be absolved of my sins and we move on.

00:47:38.900 All sin and fall short of the glory of God.

00:47:39.900 That's probably what would happen.

00:47:41.900 But if the first thing you got to do is just say like, eh, I don't want to do it.

00:47:44.900 I'm out.

00:47:45.900 It's yucky.

00:47:46.900 Eh, whatever.

00:47:47.900 Like, cool.

00:47:48.900 That's fine.

00:47:49.900 But does it have to be yucky?

00:47:50.900 That's my point.

00:47:51.900 Or could you just be like, I'm just...

00:47:52.900 Yucky's too...

00:47:53.900 Because I said, I'm not religious.

00:47:54.900 I was raised Roman Catholic, but I'm not religious.

00:47:57.900 I was an atheist for 10 years, so you know, you don't have to convince me.

00:48:00.900 Okay, cool.

00:48:01.900 But yeah, that's fine.

00:48:02.900 If there's just like some little inclination in you that says like, ah, something's just

00:48:05.900 not quite feeling, sitting right here.

00:48:07.900 Yeah, just follow that.

00:48:08.900 You don't have to reason about everything.

00:48:10.900 You know, you can just kind of follow your gut.

00:48:12.900 Your gut is often going to lead you in a decent direction.

00:48:15.900 And then you apply reason after that.

00:48:17.900 And you say, okay, was that a good choice or a bad choice?

00:48:19.900 Yeah, I just wanted to clarify.

00:48:20.900 Because like the stigma behind sex work is like, it's bad, right?

00:48:22.900 Everyone just says like, it's bad, but...

00:48:24.900 It's not good.

00:48:25.900 It's not good.

00:48:26.900 I wouldn't say it's good, but...

00:48:27.900 I think it's good.

00:48:28.900 Do you really though?

00:48:29.900 I mean, the way you asked the question makes me suggest perhaps you have some doubt about

00:48:33.900 that.

00:48:34.900 Yeah.

00:48:35.900 I mean, I worked in corporate.

00:48:36.900 I had that lifestyle and I compare that to how I live my life now.

00:48:39.900 I'm way happier now.

00:48:40.900 And people don't like to believe that.

00:48:41.900 I think it makes them really mad when I say that.

00:48:43.900 But like my lifestyle now, like I'm my own boss.

00:48:46.900 Yeah.

00:48:47.900 I'm not constantly shit on by other people.

00:48:48.900 No, no.

00:48:49.900 I mean, yeah, I'm constantly in that way.

00:48:50.900 I'm constantly shit on by other people.

00:48:52.900 But I'm happy.

00:48:53.900 I'm like genuinely happy.

00:48:54.900 Perhaps.

00:48:55.900 You know, I do believe you, that you feel that way, at least a lot of the time.

00:48:59.900 The thing is, if that weren't the case, then bad things wouldn't be tempting.

00:49:04.900 Like, of course, bad things do give, they give you a sort of euphoria actually for a

00:49:09.900 period of time.

00:49:10.900 But the longer term consequences of that, like for instance, forestalling meeting Mr.

00:49:14.900 Right and you know, perhaps forestalling having a family or carrying with it some kind

00:49:18.900 of stigma that is natural and is probably never going away as long as society continues

00:49:23.900 to exist.

00:49:24.900 You know, yeah, these are difficult choices that if there weren't temptation, no one would

00:49:29.900 do it.

00:49:30.900 Right?

00:49:31.900 Hmm.

00:49:32.900 I appreciate that.

00:49:35.900 I also have like a genuine question about something you said earlier.

00:49:38.900 And I do want to hear from like everyone else here also.

00:49:41.900 But I think it's like 100% valid that you said, like you in a relationship is a different

00:49:48.900 person from what you present yourself to be online.

00:49:50.900 And I just wanted to like ask, why would you want to present yourself to the whole world

00:49:56.900 like someone that you aren't?

00:49:58.900 I think it really depends.

00:50:00.900 I, it depends on who I was then when I initiated, which I was 18 and who I am now and who I've

00:50:07.900 developed into being.

00:50:08.900 So at that time when I was 18, I was a lot more freeing in the sense that I was trying

00:50:14.900 to like get out of the house.

00:50:15.900 I was trying to move away from my mom.

00:50:17.900 And for that reason, I had a different identity just as anybody does when they're 18.

00:50:22.900 And in addition to that, I wouldn't want to present myself entirely as somebody who is

00:50:27.900 so open about either her ass or her tits or whatever else as I do online for the growth

00:50:33.900 of either income or fans.

00:50:36.900 But I do think that it does help me in the sense of I've gotten confidence in it.

00:50:41.900 I've gained extreme amounts of confidence.

00:50:43.900 I've also become very happy from it.

00:50:45.900 The fruition that it's brought on to me from doing this type of work is beautiful.

00:50:49.900 It's just so much just like freedom.

00:50:51.900 It's been a lot of financial gain, obviously, but it's not something that I'd want anybody

00:50:56.900 else to also experience.

00:50:57.900 I don't think that.

00:50:58.900 Yeah.

00:50:59.900 Why not?

00:51:00.900 Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it to most girls.

00:51:01.900 Because it's not good.

00:51:02.900 Unfortunately, I do disagree.

00:51:03.900 I don't think it's good.

00:51:04.900 I think it's actually not good at all, but I think it does bring goodness.

00:51:08.900 I think it can bring goodness to girls like us.

00:51:10.900 I think it brings financial freedom.

00:51:12.900 It gives you money.

00:51:13.900 It gives you money.

00:51:14.900 There's no one's disputing that.

00:51:15.900 That's all it is.

00:51:16.900 But it's not going to bring good.

00:51:17.900 I think it's a disgusting addiction for a lot of people.

00:51:20.900 It's a disgusting world for a lot of people.

00:51:22.900 And also the perspectives that we all have on men after seeing what goes on in the chats.

00:51:27.900 I have to disagree with that.

00:51:28.900 I'm sorry.

00:51:29.900 I disagree also.

00:51:30.900 I have to disagree.

00:51:31.900 No, of course.

00:51:32.900 I disagree also.

00:51:33.900 No, I totally agree.

00:51:34.900 I think you should like...

00:51:35.900 That was a great answer.

00:51:36.900 Thank you.

00:51:37.900 I just think it varies.

00:51:38.900 I love what I do.

00:51:39.900 I'm not saying that I hate what I do.

00:51:40.900 I absolutely love what I do.

00:51:41.900 But you kind of do.

00:51:42.900 No, I don't dislike what I do.

00:51:43.900 It's good to acknowledge both sides of both.

00:51:44.900 I acknowledge both.

00:51:45.900 As the devil's advocate.

00:51:46.900 Because you're basically saying like, oh, it's not good.

00:51:49.900 You're contradicting yourself.

00:51:51.900 I'm not contradicting.

00:51:52.900 I'm facing the reality.

00:51:53.900 I'm facing the reality.

00:51:54.900 You'll see that you're contradicting yourself.

00:51:55.900 You said that it's a good financial game, but then you said it's not good for people.

00:52:01.900 They can have a benefit and a risk as well.

00:52:03.900 Yeah, no.

00:52:04.900 You clarified, right?

00:52:05.900 Which you said it gives you good money, but it's not a good thing.

00:52:07.900 I think she's saying mentally it can have a toll on you, but financially it's very freeing,

00:52:12.900 and I think I'm agreeing with her on that.

00:52:13.900 I don't think it mentally has a toll on me.

00:52:14.900 Mentally, everyone's different.

00:52:15.900 So you mentally can feel totally different than how she can feel, and then how I can feel

00:52:19.900 and how she can feel.

00:52:20.900 So I totally agree with you.

00:52:23.900 Yeah, thank you.

00:52:24.900 You're obviously totally right.

00:52:25.900 Yeah.

00:52:26.900 But you're getting a lot of money, and money is great.

00:52:28.900 Yeah.

00:52:29.900 And listen, there have been periods where I've made a lot of money, and I like buying nice

00:52:31.900 suits.

00:52:32.900 So that's great.

00:52:33.900 But is money ever worth it?

00:52:35.900 If you're doing something that you're saying is intrinsically bad, it messes with my psyche.

00:52:40.900 There's a degree in which I go with it, though, to allow myself to feel like this is where

00:52:44.900 I'm going to draw the line.

00:52:45.900 Yeah, of course.

00:52:46.900 And then the line kind of moves often in these sorts of things.

00:52:48.900 No, my line was drawn at the beginning and was never moved past that.

00:52:51.900 That's good.

00:52:52.900 So like, for me, that's that.

00:52:54.900 I don't know for everyone else.

00:52:55.900 And it's not just about money.

00:52:56.900 Some people just like being a slut.

00:52:59.900 Do they really?

00:53:00.900 I do.

00:53:01.900 Do you?

00:53:02.900 So do a lot of other girls.

00:53:03.900 I do too.

00:53:04.900 I do enjoy it, yes.

00:53:05.900 No, you don't.

00:53:06.900 What do you enjoy about it?

00:53:07.900 I like the attention.

00:53:08.900 I just like being hot.

00:53:09.900 You like the attention, sure.

00:53:10.900 You like looking pretty and getting your hair done.

00:53:12.900 I like sexual pleasure.

00:53:13.900 Sure.

00:53:14.900 Yep.

00:53:15.900 Everyone likes sexual pleasure.

00:53:16.900 So it's not just about the money.

00:53:17.900 But couldn't you, you know, if you got married, you would get all of those things.

00:53:20.900 You'd get a much better version.

00:53:21.900 You'd get better sexual pleasure and sexual pleasure brought to fruition.

00:53:25.900 Routine.

00:53:26.900 You would get someone paying for your hairdos so you would look pretty.

00:53:29.900 And you get plenty of attention from a man who actually loves you instead of a man

00:53:32.900 who's using you and men who you in turn are using.

00:53:35.900 But I just don't want to be married right now.

00:53:37.900 I just want to, like, play the field and be a hoe.

00:53:40.900 But you said you're not really dating anyone.

00:53:42.900 You're not really playing the field.

00:53:43.900 Yeah, I'm not.

00:53:44.900 But, you know, there's some hot guys out there.

00:53:46.900 They're out there, but you're not dating them.

00:53:48.900 This is only, like, the past, like, few months.

00:53:51.900 So I've been busy.

00:53:52.900 But, hey, I'm not opposed to if, like, a hot guy with, like, a nice...

00:53:56.900 Bank account?

00:53:58.900 Bank account?

00:53:59.900 She said bank account.

00:54:00.900 Like a nice package comes around and knows how to use it.

00:54:03.900 Like, then, yeah, like, let's do it, dude.

00:54:05.900 But what about what you just said on how it's a bad addiction for most people?

00:54:10.900 I think it is a bad addiction for some people.

00:54:12.900 Do you feel bad about leading guys or encouraging this addiction?

00:54:15.900 I do.

00:54:16.900 And the only reason is because I've worked on this for three years.

00:54:20.900 Like, not to highlight too much of what's happened in my personal life recently, but my personal life and my business life or my sex work life, unfortunately, has really crossed paths.

00:54:29.900 Not because, oh, people want to sleep with me or anything like that because of my job.

00:54:33.900 But if anything, people become stalkers and people become addicts to who you are online.

00:54:39.900 And that's happened really obsessively for me in the past two weeks.

00:54:43.900 That could happen anywhere, though.

00:54:44.900 Of course.

00:54:45.900 Like, I was, like, a waitress and I had stalkers then as well.

00:54:47.900 But I don't think it's bad.

00:54:48.900 I just...

00:54:49.900 You don't think it's bad to have a stalker?

00:54:51.900 No, I'm saying, like, the industry and doing, like, sex work, it's not bad.

00:54:55.900 You can have an addiction to literally anything.

00:54:57.900 And I would argue that it's actually a good thing for some people.

00:55:01.900 To be addicted to pornography?

00:55:03.900 No, just pornography in general.

00:55:04.900 I don't think porn addiction exists.

00:55:05.900 But I think it's not, like, the biggest...

00:55:08.900 You don't?

00:55:09.900 No, I don't. Seriously?

00:55:10.900 There were just, like, the biggest conventions for porn.

00:55:12.900 I attended both.

00:55:13.900 And there's a lot of people who, you know, have disabilities and maybe they can't go out in their real life and, like, meet girls.

00:55:20.900 So they like to have that one-on-one connection and get that experience with a woman on OnlyFans.

00:55:28.900 And it makes them really happy.

00:55:29.900 And I love meeting them.

00:55:30.900 And, you know, they're not, like, these creepy guys, you know.

00:55:34.900 They are creepy guys.

00:55:35.900 No, they're not creepy.

00:55:36.900 Every one of them.

00:55:37.900 Every single one.

00:55:38.900 They are because they're engaging in a totally self-directed sexual act.

00:55:43.900 So I have a question.

00:55:44.900 And they're making an idol out of you.

00:55:45.900 So I have a question.

00:55:46.900 Have you ever watched porn?

00:55:47.900 You know, listen, I was an atheist for ten years.

00:55:49.900 I was single.

00:55:50.900 Dated some girls.

00:55:51.900 So then we can say that you're creepy, too.

00:55:52.900 Just did some bad things.

00:55:53.900 Right.

00:55:54.900 So we can say that you're creepy, too, if you're going to say everyone who's watching porn is creepy.

00:55:56.900 It is certainly a creepy act to look at pornography, yeah.

00:55:58.900 Masturbating is, like, so normal.

00:55:59.900 It's not normal.

00:56:00.900 It's, well, there's two meanings of the word normal.

00:56:03.900 There's normal, like, everyone does it.

00:56:04.900 And there's normal, like, a standard that you would, like, a norm, you know.

00:56:08.900 And so it's normal in the sense that a lot of people, not everyone, but a lot of people do it.

00:56:11.900 But it's not good, right?

00:56:12.900 No one's proud.

00:56:13.900 No one ever writes home, hey, mom, do you know what I did this weekend?

00:56:16.900 You know, it's very shameful because it's disordered and unnatural.

00:56:19.900 It's so natural.

00:56:20.900 You think?

00:56:21.900 Yeah.

00:56:22.900 I disagree.

00:56:23.900 I think the sexual drive to, like, either have sex with either one other person or whatever your preference is, or by yourself, is natural.

00:56:33.900 Yes, it's very, very natural.

00:56:34.900 You have sexual drives.

00:56:35.900 That's why we go through puberty.

00:56:36.900 I don't think it's necessarily fully natural to go kin to pornography every single day and all these things.

00:56:43.900 And that's what I understand.

00:56:44.900 Yeah, of course not.

00:56:45.900 You sound like you need to quit the industry.

00:56:47.900 The sex industry?

00:56:48.900 Yes.

00:56:49.900 I thought you were looking at me when you said that.

00:56:52.900 I don't hate, like, I absolutely love what I do, and I love the connection.

00:56:55.900 It doesn't sound like you do.

00:56:56.900 I really do.

00:56:57.900 I think she's being very considerate.

00:56:59.900 I'm just, I'm very considerate of just, like, the effects.

00:57:01.900 But, like, when you love something, you are passionate about something.

00:57:04.900 You can be passionate about something.

00:57:05.900 Right now, like, me and her and maybe other girls that are actually passionate about our work, we can sense that you are not all about it.

00:57:12.900 Like I've shared, I'm only going to share so little of it, but when you're faced with a lot of the repercussions of those relationships, then you can call me and tell me that I hate my job.

00:57:22.900 But I don't hate my job.

00:57:23.900 I don't hate it at all.

00:57:24.900 I am just, unfortunately, in a really bad circumstance where my safety is in jeopardy.

00:57:29.900 But something fresh, too.

00:57:30.900 You said it just happened, so I understand.

00:57:32.900 And I've been there before where my safety was in jeopardy, too, and I understand what you're saying.

00:57:35.900 I feel that.

00:57:36.900 Yeah, that's, it's not normal in jobs.

00:57:38.900 No.

00:57:39.900 Oddly enough, in my job, sometimes it's really safe.

00:57:41.900 You can stalk someone at Walmart.

00:57:42.900 I think it's really safe.

00:57:44.900 I think it's the obsession that comes with it.

00:57:47.900 I think it's not the stalking where it starts, but the buildup.

00:57:50.900 Yeah.

00:57:51.900 And by the way, that's not, that's not just like a random by chance accident of the industry.

00:57:57.900 That's built in.

00:57:58.900 Yeah.

00:57:59.900 The whole point is these guys are supposed to get obsessed with you and then give you a lot of money.

00:58:01.900 Right.

00:58:02.900 And then sometimes it goes over and it's really a dangerous situation.

00:58:04.900 You can say the same thing about Brian.

00:58:06.900 Oh, yeah.

00:58:07.900 I would argue that, too.

00:58:08.900 People idolize him and want to stalk him.

00:58:09.900 There's stalkers outside for him.

00:58:10.900 I'm sure he has stalkers.

00:58:11.900 I have to push through them for him.

00:58:12.900 I have some, I do deal with some weirdos.

00:58:17.900 And you're not over here in a little bit.

00:58:18.900 So what you do is bad, bad, Brian.

00:58:21.900 But there's extents to it because Brian's not naked.

00:58:24.900 Oh, that's certainly, well, I will admit, and I think, well, this would apply to any sort

00:58:27.900 of, anyone who has any sort of public facing career or who does content creation online,

00:58:34.900 whether it's related to adult content or not.

00:58:36.900 When you put yourself out there on the internet and you get any sort of, you start having

00:58:41.900 any, even a small level of followers or even fame, then you're going to, it kind of comes

00:58:51.900 with the territory.

00:58:52.900 Yeah.

00:58:53.900 Celebrities deal with it.

00:58:54.900 Yeah.

00:58:55.900 Content creators deal with it.

00:58:56.900 And think about the kind of people who would follow you.

00:58:58.900 You know, you kind of generate your own audience, right, based on what you put out there.

00:59:01.900 So for whoever listens to my show and speeches, it tends to be these really sweet, you know,

00:59:08.900 like Christian girls and occasionally some, you know, traditional conservative dudes who

00:59:14.900 get really into the Crusades or whatever.

00:59:16.900 None of whom pose any threat to me, really.

00:59:18.900 But if, if I were like a cute girl on OnlyFans and I were putting out content that were arousing

00:59:25.900 creepy dudes, then you're going to get, then the people who are going to be aroused are

00:59:28.900 going to be the creepy dudes.

00:59:29.900 And those are the last guys that you want to be obsessed with.

00:59:31.900 But do they have to be creepy dudes?

00:59:33.900 I know very, like normal people that subscribe to my OnlyFans.

00:59:37.900 Me too.

00:59:38.900 My mom's friends are subscribed to my OnlyFans.

00:59:40.900 Yeah.

00:59:41.900 My mom's friends are subscribed to my OnlyFans.

00:59:42.900 Like people in my parents, my mom's daily lives are subscribed to my OnlyFans.

00:59:46.900 Oh my gosh.

00:59:47.900 And I had to learn to just...

00:59:48.900 What?

00:59:49.900 Does she know?

00:59:50.900 Honestly, I don't know.

00:59:52.900 Yeah, probably not.

00:59:53.900 I don't know.

00:59:54.900 Right?

00:59:55.900 Because they know it's creepy and they don't want to tell your mom that they're...

00:59:56.900 I don't know.

00:59:57.900 I don't think that she knows her friends who are subscribed to my OnlyFans.

00:59:58.900 Of course not.

00:59:59.900 Because it's creepy.

01:00:00.900 Yeah.

01:00:01.900 I mean, I just had to learn to work with it and work around it.

01:00:04.900 How'd you find out?

01:00:05.900 Like they message yours?

01:00:06.900 I don't really know how it works.

01:00:07.900 Yeah.

01:00:08.900 They're usernames and they've texted me through my personal number and personal Instagram.

01:00:14.900 You know.

01:00:15.900 Oh, I was just pointing to them.

01:00:17.900 Oh, my fault.

01:00:18.900 Well, I feel like if you haven't taken into consideration before you decide to make yourself

01:00:22.900 an online presence, then that's on you.

01:00:24.900 Yeah.

01:00:25.900 It's part of the territory.

01:00:26.900 It comes with the job.

01:00:27.900 Like, I'm not going to let that mess with my money because I know who you are.

01:00:31.900 Like, it sucks, but...

01:00:33.900 Is the money worth it though at a certain point?

01:00:35.900 Maybe now you say the money is worth it.

01:00:37.900 But at a certain point, if you're listing all these terrible things that go along with

01:00:40.900 it, especially what you're saying, at a certain point, don't you say, you know,

01:00:42.900 I could be making half a million dollars a year.

01:00:44.900 I could be making a million dollars a year.

01:00:45.900 It's not...

01:00:46.900 Look, man.

01:00:47.900 I like...

01:00:48.900 It's nice having money.

01:00:49.900 It doesn't matter that much, really.

01:00:51.900 Yeah.

01:00:52.900 Yeah.

01:00:53.900 You want to be able to support your loved ones.

01:00:55.900 But you don't...

01:00:56.900 You actually don't need that much money to do that.

01:00:58.900 But it gets addictive.

01:00:59.900 I think it's a comfort thing.

01:01:00.900 Like, I think you get to a point and you get into a certain lifestyle and you're used

01:01:04.900 to it.

01:01:05.900 Bingo.

01:01:06.900 Yeah.

01:01:07.900 Well, there's lifestyle creep too.

01:01:08.900 Then you start...

01:01:09.900 Totally.

01:01:10.900 Yeah.

01:01:11.900 I kind of got thrown into the lifestyle like this last year.

01:01:12.900 It's hard to, you know.

01:01:13.900 Yeah.

01:01:14.900 No.

01:01:15.900 I know friends who make millions of dollars a year.

01:01:16.900 And truly, if it fell, they would go bankrupt in two seconds.

01:01:19.900 Yeah.

01:01:20.900 But for years, I've known people like this.

01:01:22.900 Back in Hollywood.

01:01:23.900 And it gets...

01:01:24.900 But you don't...

01:01:25.900 You don't need like five Lamborghinis, right?

01:01:26.900 You don't...

01:01:27.900 It's just kind of nice.

01:01:28.900 No, you don't need it.

01:01:29.900 You don't need it.

01:01:30.900 We have a chat here that I'm going to get right now.

01:01:31.900 We have fours.

01:01:32.900 Question for the lesbians.

01:01:33.900 Does it make you mad when you watch male to female adult content?

01:01:38.900 Porn?

01:01:40.900 Um...

01:01:41.900 I don't usually find myself watching male to female adult content.

01:01:45.900 What if...

01:01:46.900 Accident...

01:01:47.900 Accident...

01:01:48.900 If...

01:01:49.900 You know...

01:01:50.900 No.

01:01:51.900 Okay.

01:01:52.900 She does not object to that.

01:01:53.900 Okay.

01:01:54.900 Well, I...

01:01:55.900 I do want to go back really quick because I don't think I got an answer from everybody.

01:01:57.900 Actually, before I do that, we were going around the table on everybody's single status.

01:02:02.900 I think we left off with you.

01:02:03.900 We didn't get to Mia here.

01:02:05.900 Uh...

01:02:06.900 You're single...

01:02:07.900 For a year or so.

01:02:08.900 But come on.

01:02:09.900 Come on.

01:02:10.900 You've been celibate?

01:02:11.900 Well, hold on.

01:02:12.900 Point of clarification.

01:02:13.900 Right.

01:02:14.900 I don't believe you.

01:02:16.900 You don't have to believe me.

01:02:18.900 No, but I've been celibate for a while.

01:02:20.900 I don't believe you.

01:02:21.900 Okay.

01:02:22.900 Well, going around the table again, those of you who are single, have you been celibate?

01:02:27.900 You've been celibate, Cindy?

01:02:28.900 Mm-hmm.

01:02:29.900 That is such a lie.

01:02:30.900 I've been a really good girl.

01:02:31.900 Cindy has a terrible poker face.

01:02:32.900 I've been a really good girl.

01:02:33.900 Okay.

01:02:34.900 Okay.

01:02:35.900 And just one clarification.

01:02:36.900 I want to dig a little bit on this.

01:02:38.900 Cindy, you said on your OF, you don't do any nudity.

01:02:43.900 Oh, uh, I do.

01:02:46.900 Okay.

01:02:47.900 Because I think...

01:02:48.900 Well, the last...

01:02:49.900 I was going to say, how do you make money?

01:02:51.900 And you've never done...

01:02:52.900 Well...

01:02:53.900 Cindy, have you never done...

01:02:54.900 Really?

01:02:55.900 For a year?

01:02:56.900 Okay.

01:02:57.900 I was going to say, for a year, I didn't even post nudes for a year.

01:03:00.900 But that's because I already had a media status.

01:03:03.900 What's your Instagram then?

01:03:04.900 No bikini pictures, full clothes.

01:03:06.900 No bikini pictures, full clothes.

01:03:07.900 Elbow.

01:03:08.900 I'm basically naked on my Instagram.

01:03:09.900 So then how do you make money on your OnlyFans then?

01:03:11.900 If they can see it on your Instagram?

01:03:13.900 The parasocial relationship.

01:03:15.900 I like body.

01:03:17.900 I like the art of being comfortable in your body.

01:03:21.900 What?

01:03:22.900 Okay.

01:03:23.900 So Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.

01:03:24.900 I feel comfortable showing my skin on Instagram.

01:03:26.900 Wait, but Cindy, so on your OF or in any other website, in any of the content

01:03:32.900 you've ever been featured in or produced or made, you've never...

01:03:38.900 Have you done any content with, like, boy-girl content?

01:03:41.900 I have in the past.

01:03:43.900 I don't anymore.

01:03:44.900 Last time you were on, you didn't say that.

01:03:46.900 You said you've never done content with a guy.

01:03:48.900 I have done content with a guy.

01:03:50.900 Oh, so why is your story changing?

01:03:53.900 I've only done, like, a blowjob video.

01:03:57.900 But then that's super...

01:04:00.900 Okay.

01:04:04.900 His face right now is killing me.

01:04:06.900 Your face is hilarious.

01:04:08.900 Okay, but it hasn't been, like, hardcore, okay?

01:04:10.900 And, like, honestly...

01:04:12.900 Just a blowjob, not hardcore.

01:04:14.900 Like, honestly, yeah.

01:04:16.900 But, like, okay, for a year, I was literally just posting lingerie, and I just got comfortable,

01:04:22.900 and there's nothing wrong with it.

01:04:24.900 Can you tilt your mic down a little bit, Cindy?

01:04:25.900 That was kind of the point I was making earlier.

01:04:27.900 You start with that line, and then often, maybe not for everybody, but often...

01:04:29.900 Yeah, that's not the truth for everyone, but it can happen.

01:04:32.900 I'll give it to you.

01:04:33.900 Other way, yeah, you got it.

01:04:34.900 Well done.

01:04:35.900 Okay.

01:04:36.900 Wait, Nick, can you hear me?

01:04:37.900 Yeah, he's got you.

01:04:38.900 Okay, you can hear me.

01:04:39.900 So, I don't...

01:04:42.900 I like making content.

01:04:43.900 I like the lifestyle that I have now.

01:04:46.900 Okay.

01:04:47.900 So, y'all are...

01:04:48.900 How long have y'all been celibate since you're single, and not...

01:04:51.900 There's no guys in the picture.

01:04:52.900 How long have you been celibate?

01:04:53.900 No, I would say, like...

01:04:55.900 Yesterday?

01:04:56.900 No, like, maybe a month and a half ago, I got drunk and, you know, whatever, but not

01:05:01.900 since then.

01:05:02.900 Cindy, what about you?

01:05:04.900 How long have you been celibate for?

01:05:06.900 Since last year, Ryan.

01:05:08.900 Okay.

01:05:09.900 I went live with Jasmine Jafar last night, so...

01:05:13.900 Okay.

01:05:14.900 I was with her earlier today.

01:05:17.900 I know you were.

01:05:18.900 Wow, look at that.

01:05:19.900 We went live, too.

01:05:20.900 That's my girl.

01:05:21.900 Yeah, probably very different.

01:05:23.900 My stuff's pretty hardcore.

01:05:24.900 I make content pretty often, so...

01:05:26.900 Thank you for sharing that.

01:05:27.900 Yeah.

01:05:28.900 Just with one person, though.

01:05:29.900 I'm not, like, a four or anything.

01:05:30.900 Nicolette.

01:05:31.900 Celibate?

01:05:32.900 So, I have a really funny story, actually.

01:05:34.900 Oh.

01:05:35.900 So, I was celibate for the past four months, and then I was

01:05:38.900 just, like, really horny one night, and I met this hot firefighter.

01:05:40.900 He was, like, 6'3".

01:05:41.900 Ooh.

01:05:42.900 Buff.

01:05:43.900 Tattoos.

01:05:44.900 Firefighters be hot.

01:05:45.900 Yeah.

01:05:46.900 Like, firefighters?

01:05:47.900 Like, so...

01:05:48.900 Something about a firefighter, like, dick me down tonight.

01:05:49.900 Oh, I don't hit it too.

01:05:50.900 Okay.

01:05:51.900 Just wait.

01:05:52.900 Sorry.

01:05:53.900 Bye.

01:05:54.900 Bye.

01:05:55.900 Bye.

01:05:56.900 Bye.

01:05:57.900 So, I was like, well, it's been four months.

01:06:00.900 I need some dick.

01:06:01.900 And so, I, like, go to his house.

01:06:03.900 Oh, and let me preface.

01:06:04.900 Before, he was, like, talking, like, this big game.

01:06:07.900 Like, oh, I can go multiple rounds.

01:06:10.900 You haven't seen nothing yet.

01:06:12.900 And so, we get to his place.

01:06:14.900 This has never happened to me before.

01:06:17.900 He, like, puts it in.

01:06:19.900 I kid you not.

01:06:20.900 I just go back on it, like, once.

01:06:22.900 Boom.

01:06:23.900 Pre-ejaculated.

01:06:24.900 And I was like, what the fuck?

01:06:25.900 So, I'm not counting it.

01:06:27.900 I wouldn't count it either.

01:06:28.900 Yeah.

01:06:29.900 So, wait.

01:06:30.900 When a guy, like, comes too fast, they don't count it as a body.

01:06:33.900 That was the only time it's ever happened.

01:06:34.900 That was the first time it's ever happened.

01:06:36.900 And he was wearing a condom, too.

01:06:37.900 So, like, something's wrong with him.

01:06:39.900 No, you're hot.

01:06:40.900 Something is wrong with him.

01:06:41.900 That's probably why.

01:06:42.900 And he didn't even, like...

01:06:43.900 Something is wrong with your performance.

01:06:44.900 He didn't even get me off.

01:06:45.900 So, like...

01:06:46.900 It doesn't count.

01:06:47.900 If they don't make you cum, it doesn't count.

01:06:48.900 Yeah.

01:06:49.900 We're drawing the line.

01:06:50.900 Yeah.

01:06:51.900 That one specifically.

01:06:52.900 So, yeah.

01:06:53.900 Not so.

01:06:54.900 Four months.

01:06:55.900 Okay.

01:06:56.900 Fair.

01:06:57.900 Sure.

01:06:58.900 Fireman?

01:06:59.900 Yeah.

01:07:00.900 Okay.

01:07:01.900 Damn, he disappointed.

01:07:02.900 He did.

01:07:03.900 Maybe...

01:07:04.900 I don't see why...

01:07:06.900 And, Michael, if you want to do earmuffs for this...

01:07:09.900 Perhaps, yeah.

01:07:10.900 I'm kidding.

01:07:11.900 Why is it the case...

01:07:13.900 There's such a double standard here.

01:07:14.900 Because, you know, if a guy comes too quick, that's terrible.

01:07:17.900 But if a woman comes too quick...

01:07:19.900 When have you ever done...

01:07:20.900 When have you ever done you come too quick?

01:07:21.900 When have you ever done you come too quick?

01:07:22.900 You can't come too quick.

01:07:23.900 When have you ever done you come too quick?

01:07:24.900 When have you ever done you come too quick?

01:07:26.900 Good to have women coming too quick?

01:07:27.900 Has that ever happened to you?

01:07:28.900 Like, genuinely, in real life, where a woman come in 30 seconds are under?

01:07:30.900 I will say...

01:07:31.900 Are you sure she didn't fake it?

01:07:32.900 No, there are some...

01:07:33.900 No, there are some...

01:07:34.900 Yeah, because, like...

01:07:35.900 Then she can just keep...

01:07:37.900 There are some ones...

01:07:38.900 There are women who, like, they'll come really quick, and they tend to be multi-orgasmic.

01:07:45.080 Sorry, Michael.

01:07:45.800 Sorry, Michael.

01:07:46.180 No, that's always funny.

01:07:47.300 I put that in my log line of my show.

01:07:48.960 Yeah.

01:07:49.300 Multi-orgasmic.

01:07:50.980 So they tend, if the ones that come quick, they tend to also be able to come, you know, they can come ten times in five minutes.

01:07:57.440 I feel like that's even better for a guy.

01:07:59.420 No, it's good.

01:08:00.180 Where are all the female premature ejaculators?

01:08:03.180 It wouldn't be premature, though.

01:08:04.680 That's what I'm wondering.

01:08:05.600 If you could actually go round for round, like you said, and just talk all this shit, then it would be fine.

01:08:11.560 Yeah.

01:08:11.840 But you can't go round for round.

01:08:12.780 Whenever the guy gets off, that's, like, the end of it.

01:08:15.360 That's, like, usually when sex ends.

01:08:17.040 It's like, yeah, I'm done.

01:08:17.360 That's why you gotta please your woman before.

01:08:20.460 Yeah, tell them.

01:08:21.220 Yeah, tell them.

01:08:22.180 You gotta get her there before you get there.

01:08:27.120 Yes, sir.

01:08:28.180 But if you're coming too quick, how is that supposed to happen?

01:08:32.000 Like, if a guy comes too quick when we first start hooking up, like, I'm not going too quick.

01:08:35.840 Brian, Brian, BLM.

01:08:38.280 I got BLM.

01:08:39.740 Wait, what's that all about, too?

01:08:41.320 Come on.

01:08:41.940 For BLM, you have the secrets on the course.

01:08:43.560 What's that all about, real quick?

01:08:44.640 Tell us the secret.

01:08:45.720 Well, there's, like, three different questions.

01:08:47.740 Please don't tell us the secret.

01:08:47.760 There's three different questions.

01:08:48.800 What's the secret ingredient?

01:08:49.840 I'm just saying, there's other methods to...

01:08:51.940 I would love to hear it.

01:08:53.020 Yeah.

01:08:53.820 We'll count to ten.

01:08:54.460 Seriously.

01:08:54.840 I'll just say, look, there's, you know, you could use your hands.

01:09:01.540 There's toys that you can use, you know, so...

01:09:05.300 There's, like, a big pull lever thing.

01:09:07.440 There's a weird contraption.

01:09:08.340 Then at that point, we might as well not have had sex at all.

01:09:11.700 Like...

01:09:12.200 What do you mean?

01:09:12.960 If I can use a toy, then I might as well just be fucking myself.

01:09:16.240 Not if he ties you up.

01:09:16.740 Like, if I can make myself come...

01:09:18.340 That is...

01:09:19.020 Whoa!

01:09:20.300 Ryan!

01:09:21.380 That's such a great observation about hookup culture.

01:09:23.800 Like, if I can make myself come, I don't want to hook up with you because you're not

01:09:28.200 going to make me come.

01:09:29.960 So you say you picked up this fireman who didn't get the job done.

01:09:34.280 And so you say that was a bad night and I shouldn't have done it.

01:09:36.220 I don't even want it to count.

01:09:37.100 And I don't...

01:09:37.500 I might as well have just stayed home alone by myself.

01:09:39.480 Isn't that true of all of the hookup culture?

01:09:41.420 Yeah.

01:09:41.720 He's just totally pointless and meaningless.

01:09:43.640 There's literally no...

01:09:43.780 In my opinion, like...

01:09:44.380 You're just treating someone like a sex toy for your own gratification.

01:09:47.780 No guy that I've ever hooked up with for, like, a one-night stand has ever made me

01:09:51.040 come.

01:09:51.460 Like, point-blank period.

01:09:52.700 I'm sorry.

01:09:53.760 I don't know if I've just got unlucky as fuck.

01:09:55.840 Yeah, you did.

01:09:56.740 But I've never had a good one-night stand for real.

01:09:58.140 How many one-night stands have you had?

01:09:59.460 I haven't even.

01:10:00.000 More than I can count on my ten fingers and that's where I'm gonna...

01:10:02.560 So then, wouldn't it be...

01:10:04.260 Like, you were saying, I don't want to get married yet.

01:10:06.200 I don't want to do this.

01:10:06.840 But if you were married, you would not have had the bad experience with the fireman.

01:10:09.920 And you'd presumably pick a guy who, you know, gets the job done and then you'd have all

01:10:15.060 these great nights and not this short, you know, brief self-satisfaction, if even that.

01:10:21.240 So why are you trying to push marriage on me so bad?

01:10:23.580 Because it's good and it's the natural end of sex.

01:10:26.700 What's wrong with finding yourself before marriage?

01:10:28.380 That's what, like, sex is for.

01:10:29.580 The natural end of sex?

01:10:31.180 Yeah, it's, like, what sex is geared toward.

01:10:32.680 It's not supposed to be with, like, you and Brian's weird contraption upstairs and it's

01:10:35.880 not supposed to be with, like, you alone and a contraption.

01:10:37.960 Are you gonna show us after, Brian?

01:10:40.720 What contraption?

01:10:42.280 I have no idea what Michael's talking about.

01:10:44.000 I wasn't supposed to talk about.

01:10:45.260 I'm intrigued, but I'm, yeah, I'm intrigued.

01:10:47.400 I wasn't supposed to mention it.

01:10:48.920 What's wrong with a woman not actively looking for a husband, though, and just living her

01:10:53.040 life for her?

01:10:53.900 Then she just...

01:10:54.900 He said, how do we get here?

01:10:55.420 You're talking about being all freaky and tying girls up and shit, Brian?

01:10:58.820 I would humbly propose she should not have, like, these one-night stands that they admit

01:11:01.380 are disappointing in themselves.

01:11:02.420 But why not?

01:11:03.020 If it's something that's fun and...

01:11:05.920 Not everyone finds it fun, though.

01:11:07.320 Like, she said that the amount of one-night stands she had.

01:11:09.600 Like, she couldn't understand if it's not your personal preference.

01:11:12.580 I would just rather fuck someone who, like, knows my body and knows how to make me cum.

01:11:16.120 Yeah, which is so valid.

01:11:16.820 Like, why...

01:11:17.540 Why...

01:11:18.440 Yeah.

01:11:18.780 And is that the reason why you've had more than ten one-night stands?

01:11:23.140 Everybody has fun sometimes, so...

01:11:27.960 Well, you just said, it is a bit contradictory.

01:11:30.340 No, and I get it.

01:11:32.080 I'm just not a perfect person.

01:11:33.460 Like, I started having sex when I was a young age.

01:11:35.980 Like, I was too young to be having sex, and that's what it came down to, like...

01:11:40.640 And they're not all bad.

01:11:41.940 They're not all bad yet.

01:11:43.320 That's never happened to me before.

01:11:44.460 That's actually another perfect argument for why women especially should not engage in hookup culture, because I think men's orgasm response is fairly typical.

01:11:53.800 It's fairly easy, at least for men, to achieve that, whereas women often complain that, heck, even with regular partners, sometimes they don't even climax.

01:12:02.020 So, that's an even stronger argument for why women should not be so willing to engage in casual sex or one-night stands or hookup culture, because you're not even...

01:12:10.780 It's not even fun.

01:12:12.180 It's a transitory, casual, sexual encounter, but you're not even climaxing.

01:12:17.540 Now, granted, even within the confines of a relationship, even if you don't climax, hopefully you do, but I think sex can still be enjoyable.

01:12:25.520 I think we can all agree, even if you don't always, hopefully most of the time you do, but sometimes you don't, and I think it can still be a bonding experience, and you can still...

01:12:34.320 It's still physically pleasurable and enjoyable, so...

01:12:37.780 So, did you just contradict yourself?

01:12:39.360 What do you mean?

01:12:39.860 By saying that...

01:12:41.520 I'm sorry, you just circled all the way back.

01:12:43.900 To what?

01:12:44.600 You said girls shouldn't be engaging in hookup culture, but then you're like, but even if you don't come, you should enjoy the experience.

01:12:51.700 Yeah, I mean, that was more of a caveat, but, like, you know, it's more often the case that in a casual encounter, the woman is less likely to climax than the man, so it's a very strong argument.

01:13:01.620 She needs to just speak up.

01:13:03.180 What's that?

01:13:03.800 What?

01:13:04.380 You can still have fun, though, like, you can set up.

01:13:06.320 She doesn't need to, like, talk you through it.

01:13:09.360 I'm sorry that that's been your experience, but, like...

01:13:11.740 Wait, here's a question for the ladies at the table.

01:13:14.260 Who believes...

01:13:15.060 Actually, which one do I want to ask first?

01:13:17.060 Um, have you...

01:13:20.060 Going around the table, have you ever faked an orgasm?

01:13:25.460 I have.

01:13:26.520 You have?

01:13:27.840 Definitely.

01:13:28.800 In sex, specifically?

01:13:31.480 As opposed to...

01:13:32.940 Well, I mean, like, we're content creators.

01:13:35.240 Like, we're content creators.

01:13:36.480 No, no, no, no, no, like with a...

01:13:38.200 Like real life sex, not making it...

01:13:40.120 Yeah, not content.

01:13:41.040 No.

01:13:41.840 Okay.

01:13:43.600 Yes.

01:13:44.660 Oh, hold on just a second.

01:13:45.880 Regretful Ho donated $200 of girls.

01:13:50.180 Will your confidence diminish with age or when you stop BC?

01:13:53.420 You're conditioning yourself now that to think confidence slash self-worth is determined by

01:13:58.280 SXX, dollar, body beauty?

01:14:01.180 What will be left of you?

01:14:03.960 I like how their username is Regretful Ho.

01:14:07.620 They're warning us.

01:14:09.400 Regretful Ho.

01:14:11.300 Do you guys have a...

01:14:12.780 I have more to offer than just my hot body.

01:14:16.080 So I think when I'm old, I'll be fine and happy with myself.

01:14:19.460 But isn't the point that a lot of people have said, well, part of the reason I've enjoyed

01:14:23.780 doing porn and OnlyFans is because it gives me confidence.

01:14:27.420 But of course, the confidence is just the adulation of these creepy dudes and money.

01:14:30.820 So those will go away over time, as the commenter says.

01:14:33.740 And then if you ground your self-worth and your sense of value on those things, you're

01:14:39.000 going to be out of luck.

01:14:39.540 Isn't that my husband's job then when I do decide to Quinn settle down to make me feel

01:14:43.360 hot, even my old age?

01:14:44.920 Right.

01:14:45.840 That's what I think the commenter suggested.

01:14:47.440 Butler donated $200.

01:14:49.680 Brixen, are you aware one in three women aged 16 to 30 have a STD now?

01:14:55.400 The panel of plague rats you've gathered this evening are from specimens of disease.

01:14:59.920 That's new.

01:15:00.440 I'm going to be sick.

01:15:01.060 I should tell you there's a bit of lore.

01:15:06.760 So Jay Butler, every single show for the past four or five months, every show, he always

01:15:14.280 mentions, did he mention herpes?

01:15:17.100 Yeah.

01:15:17.600 In the hashtag.

01:15:18.320 Hashtag you all have herpes plague rats.

01:15:20.220 He is a urologist.

01:15:22.740 He's a urologist.

01:15:23.920 And he just, day in, day out.

01:15:26.780 Grid One Motorsports donated $200.

01:15:30.100 Oh, thank you, man.

01:15:30.620 The best thing about casual sex is the men care even less about you than you do about

01:15:35.140 yourselves, dot.

01:15:36.080 They never wake up at 30, unmarried, childless, and wonder why theodating value is so low.

01:15:43.100 Oh.

01:15:45.000 Thank you.

01:15:45.720 I thought you did something there.

01:15:47.380 Nice.

01:15:48.200 Moving on.

01:15:49.500 Just to finish off on this thread, have you ever faked an O?

01:15:55.240 An O?

01:15:56.400 No.

01:15:58.220 Yes.

01:15:59.280 Yeah.

01:15:59.500 Um, question.

01:16:01.080 You didn't ask me.

01:16:01.920 Oh.

01:16:03.180 All the time.

01:16:04.460 All the, I mean, during, at breakfast.

01:16:06.540 No.

01:16:07.360 On my flight, actually.

01:16:08.900 They all, yeah, they had to.

01:16:10.380 Don't disrespect your wife, Lester.

01:16:12.240 Yeah.

01:16:12.660 It's crazy.

01:16:14.360 Like with any of the other.

01:16:15.380 I prefer not to disclose details of my sexual life.

01:16:18.600 Okay.

01:16:20.020 Respectable.

01:16:20.760 Wait, so question.

01:16:22.120 Wait, show of hands.

01:16:22.900 Who, who has again?

01:16:25.380 Okay.

01:16:27.140 Don't you guys think communication's really important in a relationship?

01:16:30.980 And this is a frequent complaint I hear from women is, is that men are these awful communicators.

01:16:36.020 Men are terrible at communicating.

01:16:37.160 But wouldn't faking that be terrible communication?

01:16:44.740 If you only know the guy for like a day or so, like, you think it's appropriate to just text him?

01:16:51.080 Like, oh, you didn't, like, I faked orgasm or something.

01:16:54.360 Like, when you said communication, you want us to tell them that.

01:16:57.600 In the moment.

01:16:58.320 In the moment?

01:17:00.280 I feel like it's awkward, though.

01:17:01.960 For me?

01:17:02.240 You just gotta quote that one Kanye song.

01:17:04.220 You know, like, back in the day, you just have, like, fake orgasms and shit.

01:17:07.900 But now you tell them, I want to cum.

01:17:11.060 I feel like at the time that I faked orgasms, I was 17 and not as confident.

01:17:15.920 And I didn't possess the communication skills I have now.

01:17:18.620 So, probably.

01:17:19.880 I think when I faked an orgasm, it's because I just wanted it fucking over with.

01:17:23.020 Yeah.

01:17:23.340 I was over it.

01:17:24.420 I was like, I need this to be done.

01:17:26.460 And I was like, move on, so this is, literally, this needs to be done.

01:17:30.860 That was my reason.

01:17:32.160 That's the meaning of work.

01:17:32.960 Yeah.

01:17:33.960 Seriously.

01:17:35.020 I was over it.

01:17:35.920 You can tell a guy, hey, I'm not feeling this.

01:17:38.660 Like, I want to go.

01:17:40.100 No, but, like, I have had guys, like, not respect that.

01:17:43.060 And be like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, like.

01:17:48.040 Sorry.

01:17:48.820 I'm like, we're having sex.

01:17:50.940 It's not good.

01:17:51.660 I'm like, okay, this is like, we kind of need to wrap this up.

01:17:53.560 And they're like, okay, well, I'm not done yet.

01:17:55.360 So, that's for me.

01:17:56.220 That's where I'm like, I'm faking this is over.

01:17:59.480 This needs to be done.

01:18:00.260 Like, I'm trying to run.

01:18:01.080 That was me also at a young age when I didn't know how to communicate.

01:18:03.900 Like, I'm done and I'm walking out.

01:18:05.740 When I hit a certain point, I was like, okay, I'm done.

01:18:08.080 And I can speak up for myself.

01:18:09.200 But before, that was how it was.

01:18:11.360 Wait, so how frequently did you want to or would you mid.

01:18:17.940 Coitus.

01:18:18.920 Coitus.

01:18:20.220 Sexual intercourse.

01:18:22.140 Just get up and walk away.

01:18:25.160 Oh, multiple times.

01:18:26.440 Really?

01:18:26.920 Yes.

01:18:27.300 I was done.

01:18:28.020 I was out of there.

01:18:28.720 And I said, I gotta go.

01:18:29.780 Done.

01:18:30.680 How?

01:18:31.480 Why?

01:18:31.700 Because they were giving me the ick.

01:18:33.420 Yeah, totally.

01:18:34.300 They're icky now.

01:18:36.040 And you determined this.

01:18:37.740 They were totally icky.

01:18:38.700 So, you know, if this is happening multiple times as like a pattern, you know, then wouldn't

01:18:43.700 that suggest to you like, huh, maybe this group of guys or this kind of situation, we

01:18:49.420 should like avoid that.

01:18:50.460 I feel like this is all speaking of like in years ago too.

01:18:53.540 Like, as of recently, I'm very specific about who I have sex with and who I have those

01:19:00.980 kind of interactions with.

01:19:01.940 So, I wouldn't say it's recent, but.

01:19:04.100 But when it comes to the ick, isn't that, isn't that something that you could have figured

01:19:11.820 out?

01:19:12.140 No, it's like the facial expressions during sex really gross me out of some people.

01:19:16.100 Like, seriously, like if you look at me in some weird way, like, ugh, I'm done.

01:19:20.500 Like, I will not come.

01:19:21.420 I will, no.

01:19:21.980 Pretend I'm you and pretend you're the icky dude.

01:19:25.460 Let's, let's do a role play here.

01:19:27.520 Show me the, the, the face.

01:19:29.240 I'm not, I'm not, I'm not making the face.

01:19:31.000 I'm not making the face.

01:19:32.060 Was it like the rock eyebrow raise, like next shit?

01:19:35.400 It was like that.

01:19:36.780 Hmm.

01:19:37.360 That.

01:19:37.980 I'm like, ooh.

01:19:38.460 Wow.

01:19:38.560 Okay.

01:19:39.080 They get too confident with it.

01:19:40.640 They're like, they're like, ooh.

01:19:42.400 And I'm like, ooh.

01:19:43.940 So, do you want a guy who's like, looks like he's almost, he's almost like very aloof with

01:19:48.980 it and he's totally, he's actually not enjoying it at all?

01:19:51.900 No, it's like if we're both into it.

01:19:52.200 That's my go-to.

01:19:53.280 It's just the aloof.

01:19:54.860 I'm almost disgusted.

01:19:56.860 You know, no, I'm kidding.

01:19:57.460 I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

01:19:59.800 That's what you'd prefer.

01:20:00.840 No, I just like.

01:20:02.140 You object to men being into it.

01:20:06.200 Ugh.

01:20:07.200 Just like certain, like certain facial expressions from certain people who I've never seen other

01:20:12.620 than having sex with them.

01:20:13.620 Like those facial expressions have never popped out before.

01:20:15.900 And then we have sex and you want to bring up a whole new face.

01:20:18.680 I'm like, wait.

01:20:19.340 And so you'll leave.

01:20:20.220 I'm like, wait, I gotta, I gotta go.

01:20:22.940 Wait, so you will, you will literally stop.

01:20:25.500 I'm like, babe, like this is not working.

01:20:27.760 Like I'm going to go finish in the other room.

01:20:30.420 You can take yourself out.

01:20:32.400 You know where the front door is.

01:20:33.460 You have your car and drive home.

01:20:35.080 Oh no.

01:20:35.780 He's a brave and decent man.

01:20:37.420 He's a pioneer.

01:20:39.640 Oh no.

01:20:41.660 She has good communication.

01:20:44.020 I'm not lying anymore.

01:20:45.360 At least I'm not faking an orgasm anymore.

01:20:46.740 Really good communication.

01:20:47.840 Yeah.

01:20:48.040 And everyone has their icks, to be fair.

01:20:50.580 Like that's your specific icky.

01:20:51.520 Like, ew.

01:20:55.480 Good talk.

01:20:56.160 I agree.

01:20:56.520 It is icky.

01:20:57.120 It sounds very icky.

01:20:58.960 I would have kicked those people out too.

01:21:00.460 Yeah.

01:21:00.620 You gotta go.

01:21:01.100 Okay.

01:21:01.620 All right.

01:21:02.380 Did we go around the table on everyone's celibacy status?

01:21:05.680 Did we?

01:21:06.200 Yeah.

01:21:06.780 Everybody.

01:21:07.420 Yeah.

01:21:07.740 I'm thinking the cool thing about me right now.

01:21:09.440 Oh, the thing I wanted to.

01:21:10.220 What's your celibacy status?

01:21:11.420 The thing I wanted to.

01:21:12.180 How many bodies you got right now?

01:21:13.680 The thing I wanted to talk about when it came to, you know, everybody being single and

01:21:17.780 everything, it does occur to me, and I'm not gonna, you know, throw anyone under the

01:21:23.160 bus here, but since a lot of you are involved in content creation, and I've heard this from

01:21:28.100 women who are Twitch streamers, for example, but certainly it seems to be the case with women

01:21:32.680 who are involved in OF, would it not, and does it not, hurt your bottom line if you were

01:21:38.520 openly to communicate to your audience that you were in a relationship, and we see this

01:21:45.740 even with women who don't do adult content, Twitch streamers, for example, or content creators,

01:21:50.560 YouTubers, if they post a photo with their boyfriend, their viewership will drop, and

01:21:57.740 this is typically from their male viewer base.

01:22:00.240 So, a lot of you said you were single, but is it not the case that a lot of, perhaps

01:22:08.200 maybe not for you, but you know some girls who do OnlyFans who say they don't have boyfriends,

01:22:12.620 but actually do, because it hurts their bottom line?

01:22:15.780 Yeah.

01:22:16.180 Yeah.

01:22:16.640 Yeah.

01:22:16.960 Okay.

01:22:17.720 So, is it like a 50-50 for all of you that you're actually all currently involved with

01:22:23.520 a man, but if you were, you wouldn't even admit it on the show?

01:22:27.420 No, I'm not lying.

01:22:28.260 I don't have any man in my life.

01:22:29.360 Yeah, me either.

01:22:30.580 Okay.

01:22:30.860 Like, I have no reason to lie about that.

01:22:32.360 Yeah.

01:22:32.580 But you do acknowledge that it's extremely common for women who do OnlyFans or who do

01:22:36.180 any sort of content creation to not share that they are in a relationship or have a boyfriend.

01:22:41.720 I do.

01:22:41.740 I do.

01:22:42.180 It's nobody's real business anyway, though.

01:22:43.560 Yeah.

01:22:43.780 I agree, but I also think when I was filming boy and girl content, it was when I was in

01:22:50.080 a relationship, and I think my followers liked that more than me not having boy and girl

01:22:55.100 content.

01:22:55.600 And since I've been out of that relationship-

01:22:57.160 Because it's more hardcore.

01:22:58.260 Yeah.

01:22:58.520 And they get to ask customs and request what they want out of the videos and whatever.

01:23:04.620 Well, the thing is that a lot of the girls on OnlyFans are selling what is the girlfriend

01:23:09.820 experience.

01:23:11.080 So that fantasy disappears when it's quite clear that she's already involved with a man.

01:23:18.340 A lot of men love to see you getting fucked by some other man.

01:23:22.640 They're cucks.

01:23:23.640 Those men are cucks.

01:23:26.040 It's true.

01:23:26.760 I totally agree with what you're saying, but doesn't that mean that all pornography, if

01:23:31.060 you watch pornography, you are engaging in an act of cuckoldry, right?

01:23:35.060 You are watching the woman of your desire being violated by some other guy.

01:23:39.740 It's not you.

01:23:40.120 You're just sitting in a corner in your pathetic little room with the blinds closed.

01:23:44.160 So it's very degraded.

01:23:45.480 That's a bit extreme.

01:23:47.460 I think it's accurate and precise.

01:23:49.440 It's-

01:23:50.200 I don't see this law in my logic.

01:23:53.020 Yeah, I think it's-

01:23:54.040 It's kind of like Games of Thrones.

01:23:56.500 I like the word, though.

01:23:57.480 I've never heard of it.

01:23:58.940 What?

01:24:00.160 Because of the midgets, you mean?

01:24:01.520 Yeah.

01:24:01.740 I think dwarves-

01:24:02.740 Well, they were watching.

01:24:03.760 Actually, little person is the-

01:24:05.080 That's the new term.

01:24:06.100 I got a key pop.

01:24:07.440 See, it's the euphemism treadmill.

01:24:09.640 It used to be.

01:24:11.320 Dwarf was the appropriate, but now I think it's a little person is the preferred term.

01:24:16.360 Soon to be a cute little fella, and then I'll just zoom right back.

01:24:18.460 Speaking of which, I actually am open-minded to dating a little person.

01:24:24.760 So if you guys know any female dwarves-

01:24:27.480 I actually know one.

01:24:28.700 I'm going to put you on.

01:24:29.180 But not an OnlyFans model?

01:24:30.220 Wait, what is the criteria?

01:24:33.040 Like what I'm looking for?

01:24:34.300 Oh, it's a long list.

01:24:35.340 We should save that for a little bit later.

01:24:36.780 Okay, I'm going to go habia for one.

01:24:39.680 Wait, what?

01:24:40.920 What did you say?

01:24:42.040 That's his thing.

01:24:42.880 He looks fantasy.

01:24:44.040 Are you serious?

01:24:44.460 Yeah, we wouldn't work out that.

01:24:45.680 I got labiaplasty.

01:24:46.920 Wait, you got a-

01:24:47.860 You did?

01:24:48.500 You got a-

01:24:49.340 Oh, you did?

01:24:50.240 Wait, actually?

01:24:51.280 How was that?

01:24:51.740 Actually, yeah.

01:24:52.460 You can find out if you want to see this.

01:24:53.720 Okay, yeah, I guess you can show me after-

01:24:55.340 Not that way, but I'm sure you have to.

01:24:59.780 I didn't mean it in that sense.

01:25:02.260 Check, please.

01:25:03.000 Yeah.

01:25:05.000 But how did we get there?

01:25:06.880 Why you-

01:25:07.320 We can go over what I'm looking for.

01:25:09.060 But dwarf, you know, dwarf, hook me up with a dwarf.

01:25:11.160 I do.

01:25:11.880 Okay, I'm going to put you on.

01:25:13.200 Okay, sounds good.

01:25:14.040 Sounds good.

01:25:14.440 Would you guys-

01:25:15.240 Actually, I can't.

01:25:15.880 I'm just riffing here off of the dwarf comment.

01:25:18.880 Would you guys date, you know, black women like tall men?

01:25:22.180 Would you date the dwarf?

01:25:23.200 Because-

01:25:23.940 Costains donated $207.

01:25:26.280 General comment to panel.

01:25:28.540 Families are the best thing ever.

01:25:30.900 You will not regret.

01:25:32.620 The joy you feel from your kids and wife.

01:25:35.820 Slash husband is immense.

01:25:37.880 Choose the father wisely.

01:25:39.640 That was very true.

01:25:40.360 That was my dad.

01:25:43.640 Agree.

01:25:44.320 Thank you.

01:25:45.240 Well, that-

01:25:46.040 Aren't you Chinese?

01:25:47.520 I'm part Japanese.

01:25:48.440 I found out.

01:25:48.880 Oh.

01:25:49.460 You found out.

01:25:50.740 Yeah, you took a 23andMe.

01:25:52.700 I need to fix that.

01:25:53.960 I'm sorry, guys.

01:25:55.360 Pico Steins, thank you for the TTS, man.

01:25:57.960 Appreciate it.

01:25:59.020 Did you guys all-

01:26:00.260 I think you read it and you-

01:26:01.740 But you agreed.

01:26:03.700 Yeah.

01:26:04.720 When the time's right.

01:26:05.860 Wait, agreed with what?

01:26:06.420 I don't want a marriage and family right now.

01:26:08.100 It's the best thing ever.

01:26:08.820 I can attest.

01:26:09.460 It's amazing.

01:26:10.340 I even, you know, I like my job, even though I'm not an OnlyFans.

01:26:12.960 It's a version of this, like political OnlyFans.

01:26:14.740 Yeah.

01:26:15.120 Where I just, you know, I create content for my political followers.

01:26:18.480 A little bit less sexy, but yeah.

01:26:19.660 I find it more sexy, actually.

01:26:21.560 Thank you very much.

01:26:22.620 I'm sorry.

01:26:23.200 You know, look, I like it.

01:26:24.780 I like my job a lot and writing books and speaking and stuff.

01:26:27.360 But it is nothing.

01:26:29.080 It is nothing compared to my family.

01:26:31.000 Like, you could burn all my books, lose all the tapes of my political-

01:26:34.560 Nothing about the world would change at all.

01:26:35.880 None of us have family like that yet.

01:26:37.240 Not yet.

01:26:37.760 Not yet.

01:26:37.980 Yeah, none of us have that yet.

01:26:38.380 But when you say, well, yeah, I'm just, but maybe not yet, but in the future.

01:26:41.780 But I didn't say it like that.

01:26:42.500 Like, I do want a family.

01:26:43.520 I want kids.

01:26:44.080 I want a family.

01:26:44.880 Look, you're not 12 years old or something.

01:26:46.700 You're all of age.

01:26:47.580 And I just think, like, why put it off?

01:26:49.800 It's just awesome.

01:26:50.920 It's just objectively awesome.

01:26:52.140 It will improve your lives in every single way.

01:26:54.500 Whatever you're doing now, no matter how much you think you like it, it's 100 times better, at least.

01:26:59.160 So why, if it's so good, and you even agree it's good.

01:27:01.440 Because I don't think what I'm doing right now is stopping me from where I'm supposed to end up in the long run.

01:27:05.500 Like, I think, I agree with that.

01:27:06.600 You really not think that?

01:27:07.700 No.

01:27:07.740 You don't think it's impeding you?

01:27:08.860 I thought we all agreed that it kind of impedes it.

01:27:10.600 I agree with that.

01:27:10.900 No, I think where I'm supposed to be is exactly where I'm going to be.

01:27:14.100 But I thought we all just previously agreed that it does impede sort of getting married and starting a family.

01:27:18.820 I rehearsed that before I came up.

01:27:19.860 Yeah, that sounds beautiful, just like not right now.

01:27:22.840 Well, no, but you seem to be agreeing with my point that doing OnlyFans and porn does sort of impede starting a family.

01:27:30.040 You seem to be dissing.

01:27:30.700 I didn't really.

01:27:31.360 I don't think.

01:27:31.760 But I think you actually agree with me, too.

01:27:32.900 I don't think she said it impedes it.

01:27:33.180 I didn't say that.

01:27:34.760 What did you say?

01:27:37.100 Now I'm going to.

01:27:38.080 I'm sorry.

01:27:38.560 I thought you agreed with me.

01:27:40.000 No, I said I want to have a family.

01:27:41.640 I think a family is a beautiful thing.

01:27:43.960 I want it.

01:27:44.420 I feel like we're all just playing pretend right now when we say that being on OnlyFans and doing porn doesn't slow down the process of finding the right guy and starting a family.

01:27:54.040 I thought previously we all agreed that, you know.

01:27:56.780 No.

01:27:57.140 But how would you describe?

01:27:58.860 I must be misremembering then.

01:28:00.500 How would you describe the right guy?

01:28:02.060 Because maybe the right guy to you for these girls would be different than the right guy.

01:28:05.660 That was the point I made earlier.

01:28:07.380 We all said that guys who watch porn are creepy cucks.

01:28:09.320 I didn't say that.

01:28:10.300 You said that.

01:28:11.240 I think many of us agreed with that.

01:28:13.060 I disagreed.

01:28:13.580 No, I asked you if you had watched it.

01:28:15.320 And you said yeah.

01:28:15.960 And I said, well, then what goes to say that you weren't creepy?

01:28:18.320 You asked me, have I dated other girls?

01:28:20.440 Have I done all sorts of sins?

01:28:21.360 I said, I've done all sorts of terrible things back in my wayward youth.

01:28:25.060 Okay, so you're saying to this day you don't sin?

01:28:27.200 You're saying you don't make a mistake?

01:28:28.460 No, I commit sins.

01:28:28.780 But I don't really commit those sins.

01:28:30.640 I commit other sins.

01:28:31.520 But I don't really commit the sins that maybe, you know, marked my atheist single life.

01:28:36.240 And everyone has their own sins.

01:28:37.940 Yeah.

01:28:38.180 And I think...

01:28:40.060 But a guy who's addicted to porn is going to be a horrible husband and a horrible father.

01:28:43.820 That's not the guy I'm going to end up with, though.

01:28:45.240 Right.

01:28:45.400 But by doing pornography, you are greatly narrowing the pool of men.

01:28:51.180 So, look, me doing pornography or me not doing pornography, people are going to watch it either way.

01:28:55.220 I'm just profiting off it, like, because I do it now.

01:28:57.880 But it doesn't...

01:28:59.060 Me taking it out of that equation, people are not still...

01:29:01.700 But a guy who personally does not look at pornography and who thinks it's bad and, you know, not good for his character.

01:29:07.320 I haven't met a guy who doesn't watch porn yet.

01:29:09.880 You've met, like, one, you know.

01:29:11.120 Hi, hello.

01:29:12.100 You have watched porn.

01:29:13.280 Well, I also don't, like, sleep with lots of, you know, people and go on dates and do all...

01:29:17.960 Yeah, and that's why all the other guys have watched it, too, you know?

01:29:20.800 But you're saying you've never met a guy who doesn't presently watch porn.

01:29:25.200 I'm saying in general has never watched porn.

01:29:27.280 Oh, has never watched porn.

01:29:28.100 Oh, no, something like, what, 99% of men or something?

01:29:30.420 Not presently.

01:29:30.740 And 1% are lying.

01:29:31.840 Yeah, you can't live in our culture and not have seen pornography.

01:29:34.760 Yeah.

01:29:35.040 You go on Instagram, porn pops up, right?

01:29:37.000 Exactly.

01:29:37.320 You go on TikTok, porn pops up.

01:29:38.200 So why not profit off of it?

01:29:40.140 If people are posting their tits on Instagram, why not people pay for it?

01:29:43.300 Because it attracts men to you who are not the kind of men you want to attract.

01:29:47.120 And because it arouses in them bad things.

01:29:49.060 But I don't care.

01:29:49.760 I don't want them.

01:29:51.060 I want their money.

01:29:51.960 Like, I want...

01:29:52.680 Right, you want the other guys.

01:29:53.880 You just said you want the other guys to, like, you know, start a family because it's so great.

01:29:56.720 But I'm saying doing the former is going to preclude the latter.

01:29:59.220 Eventually.

01:29:59.660 I'm not ready for that yet.

01:30:00.600 But it's your argument that there's a demand for it, so why not...

01:30:04.940 Fulfill that demand.

01:30:06.420 Profit from it.

01:30:07.180 Is that sort of the argument?

01:30:08.820 Yeah.

01:30:09.300 Well, what can we apply that to drugs, for example?

01:30:12.620 There's a demand for heroin.

01:30:14.340 I get that.

01:30:14.820 There's a demand for fentanyl.

01:30:16.520 You're not doing anything.

01:30:17.260 You're just...

01:30:17.760 They want it.

01:30:18.300 But to me, I'm not putting myself in a position where I can die.

01:30:21.640 I'm not harming myself.

01:30:22.620 I'm not doing drugs.

01:30:24.640 It's just different.

01:30:25.380 I'm just...

01:30:26.240 My pockets are getting bigger.

01:30:27.580 I agree with you, babe.

01:30:28.360 I'm financially able to be freer.

01:30:31.380 I'm financially able to pay for the people in my life and support them and myself.

01:30:35.700 And I'm 19 years old.

01:30:36.740 But is there a cost to that?

01:30:37.540 Sorry?

01:30:37.960 Is there a cost to that?

01:30:39.040 You're getting all this money.

01:30:40.080 I do think that there is a cost to that.

01:30:41.800 Yes.

01:30:42.440 I think...

01:30:43.080 Just like the people that produce fentanyl and stuff for hospitals, they're not responsible

01:30:48.460 for all the overdoses and stuff.

01:30:50.280 You don't think the guys producing and running fentanyl, especially like fentanyl over the border,

01:30:55.020 which is where a lot of the street drugs come from, you don't think they're morally responsible

01:30:58.100 for the overdoses?

01:30:58.960 Not the ones that are medically producing it.

01:31:01.040 People that are producing it over the border and shipping it here, yeah.

01:31:03.660 Like the Chinese who ship it from Mexico.

01:31:05.300 Wasn't like Pfizer, I don't know the exact drug companies, GSK, I don't know exactly which

01:31:10.240 ones were producing all the opioids, but wasn't there a lawsuit that basically these drug

01:31:14.900 companies were perhaps underselling or underrepresenting the degree to which these were harmful

01:31:21.540 and dangerous and addictive, so there was some culpability, liability in that sense.

01:31:28.180 Even for the corporations, yeah.

01:31:28.960 Even when it's through doctors, prescribed, it's coming from a certified drug...

01:31:38.300 I don't know what the term is, but...

01:31:40.740 Yeah, maybe I'm not educated enough on the drug production to speak that much onto it.

01:31:45.900 I'm just saying, with almost everything, there's a way to abuse it, and they're not

01:31:52.500 responsible for men's abuse of pornography.

01:31:54.920 But at least opiates have a medical use, which is they can numb pain, and so if you have

01:32:01.160 a back injury, you can take them, and unfortunately people get addicted to it.

01:32:04.060 Well, you think pornography doesn't have a good use?

01:32:06.180 I think it's only negative.

01:32:07.940 I don't think...

01:32:08.340 Isn't it not recognized?

01:32:09.960 No.

01:32:10.260 I forget what it's called, but the psychology...

01:32:13.300 Oh, sorry, I thought he was answering that.

01:32:16.440 Go ahead.

01:32:17.160 Isn't it not recognized as porn is actually an addiction and isn't gambling the only thing

01:32:21.380 that's actually recognized as an addiction in that way?

01:32:23.620 I think it's...

01:32:24.140 I mean, addictive behavior is behavior that is...

01:32:26.220 Sure, but it's not actually medically...

01:32:28.800 What does that even mean, actually medically, though?

01:32:31.560 Like, you know...

01:32:32.300 Like, I don't think porn...

01:32:33.760 Addiction is a real thing.

01:32:34.820 Some doctor said it or something.

01:32:36.320 You know, like, first of all, I think the medical community...

01:32:39.320 Go ahead.

01:32:39.640 What's so funny?

01:32:40.620 No, go ahead.

01:32:41.440 I don't know.

01:32:41.780 Like, I remember there was a doctor a few years ago, this guy, Dr. Fauci, who said like

01:32:44.940 a bunch of things that were completely false, and so I'm a little skeptical of the, you

01:32:49.020 know, political medical professionals, but you say, you know, these sexual desires can't

01:32:53.780 become addictive, but surely psychologists treat sex addiction.

01:32:57.680 There are rehab clinics for it.

01:32:58.860 And so the porn industry tries to pretend like there's a total difference between sex addiction

01:33:03.180 and sex addiction with a computer, but obviously they're very related.

01:33:09.380 I don't know.

01:33:09.760 I think somewhere I saw, like, brain scans and, like, it didn't light up the same way

01:33:13.380 as, like, everything else.

01:33:14.440 No, it's definitely more degenerate for a man to look at pornography than to sleep with

01:33:18.800 a woman.

01:33:19.000 So let's shift a little bit here.

01:33:22.620 We don't like science here?

01:33:23.760 Damn.

01:33:24.660 So...

01:33:24.940 Real science is good, but, like, political science...

01:33:27.420 Look, the scientists say a man can be a woman now.

01:33:29.380 It's ridiculous, you know?

01:33:30.880 Crazy.

01:33:31.140 Ooh.

01:33:31.740 Switching gears here.

01:33:32.620 We don't want to go there.

01:33:33.280 Yeah.

01:33:34.000 Who of you has a sugar daddy?

01:33:37.560 Sugar daddy.

01:33:38.880 No, but if you want to be my sugar daddy, hit me up.

01:33:41.880 I've had my fair share.

01:33:44.020 Or pay pigs.

01:33:44.720 I've had my fair share.

01:33:45.760 Have you had pay pigs?

01:33:46.680 Any pay pigs?

01:33:47.260 What's a pay pig?

01:33:47.840 A pay pig is a man who just absolutely lacks any character whatsoever and just...

01:33:56.560 Brian.

01:33:57.500 What?

01:33:58.780 You're fetish-shaming.

01:34:00.200 Kink-shaming.

01:34:00.640 Yeah.

01:34:01.280 Seriously?

01:34:02.180 That's messed up.

01:34:04.240 Pay pigs essentially just send women money.

01:34:09.720 Isn't that what they all do, though, for the pictures and stuff?

01:34:12.380 No, they do it without reason.

01:34:14.100 It's typically, they don't get anything in return, really.

01:34:18.180 I mean, they can, I guess.

01:34:19.320 So they're just like the dumbest porn users in the entire world.

01:34:21.980 Pay pig still gets some emotional service back.

01:34:25.220 Those are my favorite ones.

01:34:26.240 No porn.

01:34:26.860 What is it?

01:34:27.260 So the fetish is just...

01:34:28.960 Financial domination.

01:34:30.320 Yeah, financial domination.

01:34:31.160 Have you guys ever...

01:34:32.300 So have you guys ever had a pay pig or sugar daddy?

01:34:35.260 And or sugar daddy?

01:34:36.500 Cindy?

01:34:37.360 I had one.

01:34:38.720 I don't know.

01:34:39.100 I had some random number text me saying they'll send me like a couple thousand.

01:34:42.980 I just, I don't know.

01:34:43.600 Wait, you have a tweet on this, I feel like.

01:34:46.300 We have...

01:34:46.820 We won't pull it up yet, Nick.

01:34:48.340 We're gonna...

01:34:49.300 We've got some tweets from you guys we're gonna look at.

01:34:54.220 I'm trying to...

01:34:55.040 Or maybe it was somebody else here at the table.

01:34:56.720 I forgot, but...

01:34:57.320 I did.

01:34:57.680 I did tweet something about it.

01:34:58.920 What's that?

01:34:59.740 I did tweet something about...

01:35:01.220 So some guy paid you a thousand for what?

01:35:03.220 Well, someone said, I want to send you money.

01:35:07.960 Like, they messaged me saying that.

01:35:10.160 No one ever messages me that, ever.

01:35:12.660 Bummer.

01:35:13.200 That's a big bummer.

01:35:14.080 I've never met a pay pig.

01:35:16.200 I guess that's probably good.

01:35:17.140 You're looking in the wrong places, I guess.

01:35:18.500 You gotta quit what you're doing.

01:35:19.780 Try something new.

01:35:20.440 If I want a pay pig, I have to go to very different places.

01:35:23.000 Yeah.

01:35:23.460 Okay.

01:35:24.680 That's cool.

01:35:25.220 What?

01:35:25.540 I have a cool story on one.

01:35:26.860 Sure, let's hear it.

01:35:27.920 So this one guy hit up my friend one time.

01:35:30.740 It was like last year.

01:35:31.540 We...

01:35:32.740 He wanted our whole friend group to come over to his apartment.

01:35:36.900 And we went.

01:35:39.160 And when we showed up, he wanted to dress up in high heels and a ballerina dress and tiptoe

01:35:45.300 around his apartment.

01:35:46.660 And he opened up a drawer full of all these toys and whips, and he wanted us to whip him.

01:35:53.580 Like, straight up whip him.

01:35:54.440 And he gave us thousands and thousands of dollars a person.

01:35:56.860 He's a kinky boy.

01:35:58.000 Straight up.

01:35:58.860 Crazy.

01:35:59.300 He just wanted to empty his pockets to us.

01:36:00.900 Like, that's all he wanted.

01:36:01.720 He was like, I want you to literally, like, make me bleed until I give you all of my money.

01:36:06.600 We didn't actually make him bleed.

01:36:07.460 Physically bleed?

01:36:08.240 Or you mean like...

01:36:08.880 We didn't actually make him bleed for real.

01:36:10.260 But he was like, whip me.

01:36:11.300 Like, it was weird.

01:36:12.840 Excuse me?

01:36:13.680 It was true.

01:36:14.260 Real life.

01:36:14.720 Real life story.

01:36:15.240 It's like the humiliation king.

01:36:16.400 Yeah.

01:36:16.720 That's people's king.

01:36:17.100 That's people's king.

01:36:17.640 That's people's king.

01:36:18.540 I didn't hurt him for real.

01:36:19.660 It was like a whip.

01:36:20.500 It was like a, you know, like...

01:36:22.380 But you bought the store.

01:36:23.100 Oh, I mean, you know, he asked for it and I was getting paid.

01:36:27.660 I mean, shit.

01:36:28.400 I wouldn't have done it if he didn't tell me to.

01:36:30.380 Wow.

01:36:31.880 Crazy, huh?

01:36:32.600 That's crazy.

01:36:33.960 Are any of these guys married?

01:36:35.900 Or they're all single?

01:36:37.000 No.

01:36:37.360 Yeah.

01:36:37.600 See, a lot of them, I think it's really sad.

01:36:40.300 I think they either have lost their wife, which is really sad, or they just have gone through

01:36:45.260 a divorce or never ended up with anyone at all.

01:36:47.060 I believe the divorce one more than the widower one.

01:36:49.600 No, I've experienced that more, actually.

01:36:51.900 The widower?

01:36:52.460 Mm-hmm.

01:36:52.920 Hmm.

01:36:53.980 Hmm.

01:36:55.420 Huh.

01:36:56.060 Hmm.

01:36:56.580 Huh.

01:36:56.840 That's very surprising to me.

01:36:58.380 Like, he had a good marriage and they say, you know, all Dotsie.

01:37:01.600 I miss Dotsie.

01:37:02.520 I'm sitting on the porch with Dotsie.

01:37:04.340 You know what I'll do?

01:37:05.140 I'll call up a 19-year-old to come smack me around with a whip while I wear high heels.

01:37:08.500 See, it's crazy.

01:37:08.860 That'll bring back the memories of my beloved late wife.

01:37:11.540 I think people are just going a little mentally ill, but like, yeah, I was profiting after.

01:37:15.860 For sure.

01:37:16.700 You were, at least you got...

01:37:18.060 Good times.

01:37:18.640 Good times.

01:37:20.400 What about you?

01:37:21.220 Have you had a sugar daddy pay pig?

01:37:25.060 No, actually.

01:37:26.020 No?

01:37:26.440 Okay.

01:37:26.760 No.

01:37:26.920 All right.

01:37:28.020 Maybe it's...

01:37:28.580 I'm not opposed.

01:37:29.300 Seems like you're fishing for one.

01:37:30.740 What about you?

01:37:31.600 She said, I'm not.

01:37:33.080 Nicolette?

01:37:34.520 I have had a sugar daddy.

01:37:37.140 Don't currently.

01:37:38.300 So, if you want to apply, hit my DM.

01:37:40.260 For real.

01:37:41.920 No, I have not.

01:37:42.620 Come on, Mia.

01:37:43.380 I have not.

01:37:44.080 Mia.

01:37:45.380 All right.

01:37:46.200 She's so sweet.

01:37:46.840 I believe her.

01:37:47.480 Thank you.

01:37:48.240 I think it's an act.

01:37:49.340 No, I had a great sugar daddy.

01:37:51.180 He was like a really cool guy.

01:37:53.560 Like, he was really cool.

01:37:54.580 He gave me a bunch of money.

01:37:55.620 He took me on trips.

01:37:56.380 My friends on trips.

01:37:57.600 Flew us out.

01:37:58.340 It was fun.

01:37:58.720 And your friends on trips.

01:37:59.740 Of course.

01:38:00.180 How many trips did he take you on?

01:38:02.940 Like, five, six.

01:38:04.240 Five, six?

01:38:04.680 Wait, question.

01:38:05.560 He took me to a Travis Scott concert.

01:38:07.560 I liked him.

01:38:08.740 Her and your sugar daddy did?

01:38:10.380 She's my best friend.

01:38:11.600 How old was the guy?

01:38:13.600 He's in his 40s.

01:38:15.060 In his 40s?

01:38:15.920 Were you guys...

01:38:18.020 No, we were not hooking up.

01:38:19.420 Come on.

01:38:19.760 Be honest.

01:38:20.080 No, I'm dead ass.

01:38:21.160 So, he was spending tens of thousands?

01:38:22.360 I kissed him.

01:38:23.340 I kissed him.

01:38:24.020 But look...

01:38:24.200 That's it?

01:38:24.740 Yeah.

01:38:25.280 But look...

01:38:26.160 That's it?

01:38:26.860 In Atlanta, pretty privilege is such a thing.

01:38:30.100 Like, if you're 40, mid-40s, you don't have a woman in your life, all you want to do is just be seen around town with a bad bitch.

01:38:37.460 Like, they don't really care.

01:38:38.700 Like, they really don't care.

01:38:41.280 And...

01:38:41.560 Wait, what is a bad bitch?

01:38:44.100 That's the kind of woman you want to be seen around town with.

01:38:45.520 What do you think a bad bitch is?

01:38:46.440 Oh, of course.

01:38:46.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:46.880 What do you think a bad bitch is?

01:38:48.820 I'm too white to have an opinion on that.

01:38:52.500 What?

01:38:52.920 Am I not white?

01:38:53.940 What?

01:38:54.860 What?

01:38:55.260 No, but like...

01:38:55.900 No, no, no, no.

01:38:56.660 Hold on.

01:38:57.040 I'm not talking skin color.

01:38:57.500 He doesn't want to appropriate any culture.

01:38:58.920 I'm not talking skin color.

01:39:00.700 I'm talking...

01:39:01.840 I'm too white.

01:39:04.460 He's white.

01:39:05.020 I don't even know what that means, to be honest.

01:39:06.380 I'm just...

01:39:07.140 Huh?

01:39:08.380 Skin color?

01:39:09.140 No, no, no, no, no.

01:39:09.980 He's saying he's a white supremacist.

01:39:11.600 No, no, no, no.

01:39:12.180 I'm not saying that.

01:39:14.300 I'm just saying...

01:39:15.180 I listen to, like, jazz and Pearl Jam.

01:39:20.180 I don't...

01:39:21.020 Bad bitch...

01:39:22.220 Jazz, that famously white musical genre.

01:39:24.820 Yeah.

01:39:25.040 Yes, definitely.

01:39:25.920 Super, yeah.

01:39:26.660 Hip-hop, R&B, and jazz.

01:39:28.480 Atlanta's a little more ratchet and ghetto than that.

01:39:30.600 Like, it's not like here.

01:39:32.660 Just a little different.

01:39:33.160 I don't refer...

01:39:34.560 Like, my girlfriend, she...

01:39:36.360 She's an attractive woman.

01:39:38.900 I don't...

01:39:39.420 I wouldn't...

01:39:39.960 I wouldn't call her a bad bitch.

01:39:41.900 Okay, well...

01:39:41.920 Okay, if a girl...

01:39:42.700 Okay, look.

01:39:43.260 I know what you're saying.

01:39:43.740 You don't call her a bitch.

01:39:44.620 I know it's not derogatory.

01:39:46.140 No, no, no, no.

01:39:46.520 It's not any disrespectful shit.

01:39:48.440 Like, if I'm at the club and I walk in and I see a section full of baddies, I'm like,

01:39:51.860 oh, those are some bad bitches right there.

01:39:53.680 Like, those are some bad bitches.

01:39:54.080 What are you talking about?

01:39:54.540 I'm a mile away, you know?

01:39:55.460 Are there goodies?

01:39:56.180 What?

01:39:56.740 Are there goodies?

01:39:57.580 Baddies.

01:39:58.440 The baddies.

01:39:58.800 Like, there's baddies, and then are there goodies?

01:40:01.400 I think there's...

01:40:02.080 No, bad meaning, like, you're just...

01:40:04.180 Like, you're sexy.

01:40:05.160 Like, you're fine.

01:40:05.920 Like, not bad, like, good or bad.

01:40:08.220 Like, you're bad as in you're fine.

01:40:10.220 Like, you're attractive.

01:40:11.140 Like, you're a bad bitch.

01:40:12.400 You know, it makes sense, right?

01:40:13.360 Yeah.

01:40:13.600 I'm not saying I was too white for this.

01:40:14.780 I mean, I'm too dirty.

01:40:15.440 Okay, I get what you're saying.

01:40:16.260 I get what you're saying.

01:40:17.440 I don't have the par lamps.

01:40:20.100 I would still, like, pull up and say,

01:40:20.620 you're a bad bitch.

01:40:21.460 Can I get your number?

01:40:22.720 No, that's not attractive.

01:40:24.400 That's not something I would say.

01:40:25.240 But, like, go on, go on.

01:40:26.800 Like, oh, you're a bad bitch.

01:40:27.640 Wait, so anyways, I apologize.

01:40:29.820 I do.

01:40:30.220 One digression.

01:40:31.540 Why would one hire a baddie to be seen around town?

01:40:36.700 Like, what...

01:40:37.380 If you're going to hire a baddie,

01:40:38.500 it seems to be for a...

01:40:39.580 I don't know.

01:40:39.680 Yeah.

01:40:40.180 Hired.

01:40:40.620 Hired.

01:40:41.020 You said you got money from the guy.

01:40:43.020 I did.

01:40:43.680 Yeah, so, you know, you're not...

01:40:45.700 Dating him.

01:40:46.280 You're not there.

01:40:47.440 Probably, right?

01:40:48.280 Like, but what I'm saying is,

01:40:49.780 I can understand why someone would hire a baddie

01:40:52.680 to, like, come over to his house for, you know,

01:40:54.480 like, five minutes or whatever.

01:40:55.780 But I don't understand why a guy would pay a baddie

01:40:58.780 tens of thousands of dollars.

01:40:59.800 I honestly think they're lonely.

01:41:00.600 Like, I genuinely, from sitting and talking

01:41:02.280 to so many of these guys,

01:41:03.560 and, like, before I did OnlyFans,

01:41:05.320 I was on websites where I would just go out with men,

01:41:08.020 like, a few times a week to go on paid dates.

01:41:10.000 They'd take me out to dinner

01:41:10.960 and pay me a few hundred dollars a day,

01:41:12.380 and that's literally what I did before I did OnlyFans.

01:41:15.400 And...

01:41:15.720 There are many such cases.

01:41:17.220 Many such cases.

01:41:18.160 Is that what an escort is?

01:41:19.400 Where you actually escort a man to an event

01:41:21.180 that's not, like, a hooker thing?

01:41:23.300 I don't know, but...

01:41:24.100 There's different, like, levels.

01:41:24.960 I would just...

01:41:25.560 Was it seeking?

01:41:26.560 Was it through seeking?

01:41:27.440 How would you find him?

01:41:27.960 Can I put...

01:41:28.560 Am I allowed to say the website?

01:41:29.900 Can I put everyone on real quick?

01:41:31.480 What's your price?

01:41:33.140 What's your price?

01:41:34.420 What's your price?

01:41:35.020 Wait, no, that's Shark Tank.

01:41:36.180 Everyone needs to go on What's Your Price.

01:41:38.340 That's what it's called.

01:41:39.220 That's not the kind of name where I would think

01:41:41.380 I should go on this website.

01:41:43.480 Wait, what's your price?

01:41:45.440 You're saying what?

01:41:46.120 Because you're married.

01:41:47.220 Well, because I'm married.

01:41:48.100 But I think even if I weren't married...

01:41:48.980 If you're looking for money and you're broke,

01:41:50.400 go out, set for dinner,

01:41:51.560 get paid to go on a dinner day

01:41:52.760 and eat some sushi and leave.

01:41:54.160 Like, why would you not do that?

01:41:55.480 To find your pay pick.

01:41:57.160 Yeah.

01:41:57.440 Like, I'm never looking for money.

01:41:58.580 Like, seriously.

01:41:59.600 Wait, so, okay.

01:42:02.440 Is this interesting for y'all?

01:42:04.940 It is.

01:42:05.840 Because I guess the thing about it is

01:42:07.880 you're not engaging in any particular

01:42:09.920 immoral act, I guess, but...

01:42:12.040 I tell them from the start,

01:42:13.020 I'm not a prostitute.

01:42:13.780 You can't pay me to have sex with you.

01:42:14.980 But if you want me to give you my time

01:42:17.120 and energy and listen to you, sure.

01:42:19.240 What's the name of the website again?

01:42:22.040 What's your price?

01:42:24.180 Okay.

01:42:24.340 But is it...

01:42:25.280 You are still kind of commoditizing yourself, right?

01:42:27.320 You're becoming like a...

01:42:28.440 Kind of like a play thing for this guy,

01:42:30.200 even if it's not sexual.

01:42:31.460 To me, that's fine.

01:42:33.940 Absolutely.

01:42:34.520 Like, straight up,

01:42:35.400 if I'm getting paid to hang out with you,

01:42:37.300 that's the easiest shit I could be doing right now.

01:42:40.160 Like, I'm not working...

01:42:40.880 But it'd be better to go on a real date, wouldn't it?

01:42:44.060 I've been on plenty of real dates.

01:42:46.260 You get paid for those too?

01:42:47.160 No.

01:42:47.600 But it's like the real date can go somewhere.

01:42:49.700 I've had relationships that's gone somewhere,

01:42:52.060 but at this very particular moment in my life,

01:42:54.820 I'm more focused on making money,

01:42:56.180 building my own brand,

01:42:57.540 building my own empire

01:42:58.480 than on what other 20 young guys

01:43:01.660 in their 20s are doing right now.

01:43:02.740 Like, they don't...

01:43:03.100 Why do you want to build an empire alone, though?

01:43:04.620 What fun is an empire alone?

01:43:06.760 It's not.

01:43:07.400 You're right.

01:43:07.880 But I haven't...

01:43:08.640 I'm not with the person that, like...

01:43:11.340 I don't know who I'll end up with.

01:43:13.060 Like...

01:43:13.380 Yeah, no.

01:43:13.760 I have friends.

01:43:14.320 Forget about, like, OnlyFans or whatever.

01:43:15.640 I have friends who say,

01:43:16.600 you know, I say,

01:43:17.120 hey, man, you know,

01:43:17.960 you dating anyone right now?

01:43:18.940 I say, no.

01:43:19.400 I'm really just grinding.

01:43:20.560 I'm focused on work.

01:43:21.540 And I hear this,

01:43:22.640 especially the millennials and the Zoomers.

01:43:23.940 I'm working, man.

01:43:24.960 I'm grinding.

01:43:25.860 I'm hustling.

01:43:26.860 And then, someday,

01:43:28.200 in the unforeseen future,

01:43:30.140 then, when I've finally ground enough

01:43:32.160 that I've got my empire

01:43:33.320 and blah, blah, blah, whatever.

01:43:34.440 If the right guy came around...

01:43:35.300 Yeah, but I think it's totally backwards.

01:43:36.680 If the right guy came around,

01:43:38.520 I would be with him.

01:43:39.660 Did you swim in high school?

01:43:41.420 Did I?

01:43:41.700 I played soccer in college.

01:43:44.180 Muscles?

01:43:44.680 You look kind of jacked.

01:43:45.840 Soccer in college.

01:43:46.880 Yeah, I am.

01:43:47.600 A little jacked.

01:43:48.300 Good shoulders.

01:43:48.920 Solid shoulders.

01:43:49.700 Thank you.

01:43:50.520 Do you work your shoulders in soccer?

01:43:51.920 Isn't that like a lake thing?

01:43:52.800 You work your whole body in soccer.

01:43:54.540 That's some real shit.

01:43:55.840 Wait.

01:43:56.500 Okay, I looked up this website.

01:43:59.080 It's...

01:43:59.240 It's your runoff.

01:43:59.920 Okay.

01:44:00.560 It's ridiculous.

01:44:01.660 You looked it up?

01:44:02.580 Yeah, I pulled it up on my computer.

01:44:03.760 Okay, literally,

01:44:04.320 you can send people requests

01:44:05.460 for how much money you want.

01:44:07.000 So what's like a typical...

01:44:08.200 Like, how many requests

01:44:08.940 have you received total?

01:44:10.820 Ever?

01:44:11.760 Total from the website.

01:44:12.880 How many men have the message?

01:44:13.780 I've had it for so long.

01:44:14.500 Hundreds, hundreds, thousands.

01:44:15.500 Yeah, thousands.

01:44:16.420 What's the typical...

01:44:17.700 So they are offering you

01:44:19.400 money for what?

01:44:21.260 Like, just to meet up?

01:44:22.280 To go out.

01:44:22.540 Yeah, to go out for dinner.

01:44:23.900 I literally...

01:44:24.360 Or lunch.

01:44:24.580 What's like the average offering?

01:44:26.380 The typical offering?

01:44:27.540 I don't go for any less

01:44:28.880 than like $300 or $400

01:44:29.660 to just go sit at dinner.

01:44:31.080 Like, I'm like...

01:44:31.800 Okay.

01:44:32.440 That's that.

01:44:32.800 And is there...

01:44:33.200 Does it say like for one...

01:44:34.600 Like, is there a time requested?

01:44:37.180 So the guys have to pay

01:44:38.640 to chat with you on this.

01:44:39.600 So that's how you know

01:44:40.180 it's like a real deal.

01:44:41.160 They're not just fucking around.

01:44:42.440 Yeah.

01:44:42.580 They pay to chat with you.

01:44:43.860 Do you know what the cost is

01:44:44.680 just to even chat?

01:44:45.440 The girls don't have to do that.

01:44:47.640 Okay.

01:44:48.200 But you can send a request to them.

01:44:50.560 You have a profile.

01:44:51.540 My real name's not on the profile.

01:44:52.700 Sure.

01:44:54.360 They see my pictures.

01:44:55.480 They can request me

01:44:56.280 and send me an offer.

01:44:57.200 If I don't like the offer,

01:44:58.080 I can counter-request the offer

01:44:59.320 and send them how much

01:45:00.560 I would actually want.

01:45:01.700 Wait.

01:45:02.000 You're going to haggle over it.

01:45:02.560 Yeah.

01:45:02.940 I have a question for you.

01:45:04.180 That's not enough.

01:45:04.960 I have a question for you, though.

01:45:06.160 Like, of...

01:45:07.380 How many...

01:45:08.740 How many men have you talked to

01:45:11.340 on the app?

01:45:12.180 Because you said it cost them money, right?

01:45:13.580 Mm-hmm.

01:45:13.960 Hundreds.

01:45:14.380 Hundreds.

01:45:15.040 How many have you met up with?

01:45:16.960 It sounds like you've not

01:45:18.440 hooked up with them, right?

01:45:19.420 No.

01:45:19.880 I've hung out with a bunch of

01:45:21.200 tricks in Atlanta, though.

01:45:22.280 Like, they're everywhere.

01:45:23.820 They're called tricks?

01:45:24.720 Yeah.

01:45:25.480 Like, tricks.

01:45:26.000 Marks?

01:45:26.280 I've heard marks.

01:45:26.860 Marks.

01:45:27.440 Marks.

01:45:28.120 Tricks.

01:45:28.460 No.

01:45:28.940 It's like the term there.

01:45:29.760 It's like a trick.

01:45:29.900 Surely these men...

01:45:30.760 Tricks.

01:45:31.400 You call it...

01:45:31.900 You refer to them as tricks.

01:45:33.040 I don't say that to their face.

01:45:34.640 But they are tricks.

01:45:35.640 Yeah.

01:45:36.320 These guys want more than dinner, correct?

01:45:38.740 For sure.

01:45:39.400 Yeah.

01:45:39.560 But I'm not giving it to them.

01:45:40.720 You've not...

01:45:41.060 I just string them along enough.

01:45:42.620 No.

01:45:43.080 I just string them along

01:45:44.080 until they're done.

01:45:45.120 And they're like,

01:45:45.560 okay, well, I don't want to do this anymore

01:45:46.680 because you're not giving me what I want.

01:45:47.940 And then they leave

01:45:48.540 and I move on to the next one

01:45:49.740 and do the same thing.

01:45:50.600 How many total individual men

01:45:52.140 have you met up with

01:45:53.640 through this website

01:45:54.560 in person for paid dates?

01:45:57.800 A lot.

01:45:58.540 More than I can count.

01:45:59.460 Like, a guesstimate?

01:46:00.760 Yeah.

01:46:01.500 Over a hundred?

01:46:02.180 Yeah.

01:46:03.560 How about a hundred?

01:46:04.380 More than two hundred?

01:46:05.120 Probably like a hundred.

01:46:05.980 Between a hundred and two hundred.

01:46:07.160 Yeah.

01:46:07.620 Okay.

01:46:08.040 When was the last time

01:46:08.720 you paid for dinner?

01:46:09.400 That's an amazing...

01:46:10.220 That's like almost a year's worth of dinner.

01:46:12.320 Shit.

01:46:12.660 I mean, I haven't gone out on dates

01:46:13.720 like that in a long time.

01:46:15.440 Shit.

01:46:15.880 Yeah, for real.

01:46:16.680 Come on.

01:46:17.220 Since I started OnlyFans,

01:46:18.280 I didn't do that.

01:46:18.840 But before OnlyFans,

01:46:20.120 that was the shit.

01:46:21.600 So you make,

01:46:22.380 just to be clear,

01:46:23.080 so you will make,

01:46:24.180 what,

01:46:24.840 five hundred for a dinner?

01:46:26.000 Yeah.

01:46:26.940 Five hundred times a hundred

01:46:28.380 or fifty times...

01:46:29.140 Well, like, okay,

01:46:29.780 say maybe not five hundred.

01:46:31.320 Was that fifty thousand?

01:46:32.060 Say three hundred.

01:46:32.800 Say three hundred.

01:46:33.220 Is that fifty thousand dollars?

01:46:34.600 Wait, is that...

01:46:35.800 Is my math right here?

01:46:36.700 Hold on.

01:46:36.880 Is she saying three hundred?

01:46:38.200 Yeah, say three hundred.

01:46:38.960 Okay, so thirty thousand dollars

01:46:40.420 just for going out to dinners

01:46:42.740 and I assume...

01:46:43.420 That's...

01:46:44.380 I assume there's multiple.

01:46:45.340 Just before I pulled in,

01:46:46.260 one of my tricks

01:46:46.780 sent me five thousand dollars.

01:46:48.860 Five...

01:46:49.420 Whoa, five thousand.

01:46:50.700 Yeah.

01:46:52.080 Wait, and I'm not done

01:46:53.440 doing a full accounting here.

01:46:54.740 Okay, you can keep going.

01:46:55.860 I'm actually an IRS agent.

01:46:58.160 What is that tax stat?

01:47:00.000 You know, like capital gains

01:47:01.440 or regular income?

01:47:02.100 Do they give you cash?

01:47:04.180 The one just now is Apple Pay.

01:47:06.200 Okay.

01:47:07.120 You know.

01:47:07.380 You should probably talk to us.

01:47:08.820 You might want to talk to the CPA

01:47:10.020 about that one.

01:47:10.940 It's a bad audit to get.

01:47:12.840 Wait, so okay, hold on.

01:47:14.020 So, and there's some men

01:47:17.120 I assume you only go on one date

01:47:19.160 but then there's some men

01:47:19.900 that you'll continue...

01:47:21.160 I make it known from the start

01:47:22.540 what I will and will not do.

01:47:24.440 Like, I'm here to...

01:47:26.260 Really?

01:47:26.760 Yes.

01:47:27.260 So you'll outright tell them...

01:47:28.760 Yes.

01:47:29.640 By the way...

01:47:30.620 Like, you'll sit there

01:47:31.300 across from them.

01:47:31.940 By the way,

01:47:33.200 I'm just here for your money.

01:47:34.880 Before I'll ever meet them.

01:47:35.920 I'm here just for your money.

01:47:37.180 I don't...

01:47:37.580 I don't say it like that.

01:47:38.320 I don't want to ever have...

01:47:39.880 You disgust me.

01:47:41.220 I don't want to have

01:47:41.800 sexual intercourse with you ever

01:47:43.420 but please...

01:47:44.300 Basically.

01:47:44.760 No, basically.

01:47:45.040 Continue giving me your money,

01:47:47.380 you pathetic...

01:47:48.340 Okay, but look,

01:47:49.300 if it was coming from me

01:47:50.600 like saying it

01:47:51.780 like to you

01:47:52.600 and you...

01:47:53.400 Yeah.

01:47:53.700 Like, I word it differently

01:47:55.100 and it comes across differently

01:47:56.420 and it doesn't seem like that.

01:47:57.700 Right, but that's like

01:47:58.460 the sub-tastic guy.

01:47:59.720 They know why they're there.

01:48:00.840 Straight up,

01:48:01.280 they know why they're there.

01:48:02.120 They know what's going on.

01:48:02.460 Why are they there?

01:48:03.620 Because they want to be seen

01:48:04.420 with a bad bitch.

01:48:05.280 Oh, they're not trying.

01:48:06.320 By whom?

01:48:07.520 By whom?

01:48:07.880 Everyone around them.

01:48:08.880 All their friends...

01:48:09.400 Really?

01:48:09.800 Tricks?

01:48:10.420 All their friends are tricks.

01:48:11.460 Tricks?

01:48:13.160 You know what I'm saying?

01:48:14.000 Like, what's the asshole?

01:48:14.800 So if they're all in on the trick,

01:48:16.220 why is it it's still impressive to them?

01:48:17.680 Everybody needs to get on this shit.

01:48:18.560 Sorry, what?

01:48:19.400 What did you say?

01:48:19.920 If all the friends are also tricks,

01:48:22.400 then they're all engaging

01:48:23.420 in the same game

01:48:24.480 but then they all know

01:48:25.560 that it's all fake.

01:48:26.700 Yeah, they know it's fake.

01:48:27.180 So they're not impressing anyone.

01:48:28.760 They all know it's fake.

01:48:29.960 Right, so there's no one to impress.

01:48:31.580 To be seen...

01:48:32.080 They're impressing each other

01:48:33.080 with which person's sugar baby's hotter

01:48:35.700 and who's giving more money.

01:48:36.560 Like, seriously, one of my tricks

01:48:38.200 let me drive his Bentley

01:48:39.440 around town for months.

01:48:40.680 One of my tricks

01:48:41.200 let me drive his Bentley

01:48:42.480 around Atlanta for months.

01:48:44.300 Like, they...

01:48:44.900 Wait, I want the scope of this here.

01:48:47.000 Let's get a little more details.

01:48:48.040 People have Bentleys in Atlanta?

01:48:49.200 I'm actually shocked to hear that.

01:48:50.160 It was his 10th car.

01:48:51.660 I asked for it.

01:48:52.280 I figured, like,

01:48:53.000 maybe a nice Lexus would be it.

01:48:54.320 No.

01:48:54.640 Which one is it?

01:48:55.500 No, no, no.

01:48:56.040 Cindy.

01:48:56.460 Oh, by the way,

01:48:57.300 it's not on the App Store.

01:48:58.840 You have to go on Google.

01:49:00.120 It's a website, okay.

01:49:00.840 Oh, it's on Google?

01:49:02.080 Okay, wait.

01:49:02.820 Wow.

01:49:03.060 And then you can add it

01:49:04.640 as an app afterwards.

01:49:05.640 Here, Cindy,

01:49:06.400 can you just get off the phone?

01:49:07.480 Okay.

01:49:07.720 Wait, let's get a little scope scale here.

01:49:10.020 So, do you do one or more

01:49:13.060 of your tricks or whatever your...

01:49:16.500 I don't know what the...

01:49:17.860 They're tricks.

01:49:18.600 Yeah.

01:49:19.140 Do they...

01:49:20.580 Do any of them pay for your rent?

01:49:22.160 They have, yeah.

01:49:23.200 Now, here's a question for you.

01:49:24.800 Will you...

01:49:25.540 Do you have multiple at the same time?

01:49:27.180 Like, how many currently

01:49:28.320 are you, like, finessing?

01:49:31.740 Seriously, for real?

01:49:33.120 I, like...

01:49:34.060 Seriously, for real?

01:49:35.640 No.

01:49:36.160 Let's get into it.

01:49:37.500 No cap.

01:49:38.220 No cap.

01:49:40.280 Bet.

01:49:41.320 No route cap.

01:49:42.520 So, as of lately,

01:49:44.740 like, the past couple months,

01:49:47.400 it's just been one guy.

01:49:49.320 Just one?

01:49:49.780 But normally, because...

01:49:51.540 Yeah.

01:49:52.660 But now he's going broke.

01:49:54.100 So, now...

01:49:55.060 Now it's...

01:49:55.860 Because you're why.

01:49:56.760 You're making...

01:49:57.260 I am literally why.

01:49:58.960 I am literally why.

01:49:59.620 Wait, he's going broke?

01:50:01.080 He is.

01:50:01.480 She took all his money.

01:50:02.420 Yeah, I did.

01:50:02.800 Wait, how much question

01:50:04.280 for this guy in particular?

01:50:06.340 Do you have a sense of...

01:50:08.320 Internal revenue service

01:50:10.480 donated 200.

01:50:12.460 We will be looking into Maddie

01:50:14.140 in the coming weeks.

01:50:15.420 Oh, okay.

01:50:17.660 Internal revenue service.

01:50:18.620 IRS.

01:50:19.040 Yeah, IRS.

01:50:20.100 There you have it.

01:50:20.880 20,000 new agents.

01:50:22.220 This current guy...

01:50:23.260 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:24.320 It's terrible.

01:50:25.600 This new guy...

01:50:28.440 How much total...

01:50:29.780 New.

01:50:29.840 Or, well, this sole guy.

01:50:31.440 The current guy.

01:50:32.640 How much total has he paid you?

01:50:35.560 If you had to estimate.

01:50:41.080 Shit, probably 100K.

01:50:42.780 100K?

01:50:43.700 Over what period of time?

01:50:44.940 Six months.

01:50:45.980 What's in...

01:50:47.660 His face.

01:50:50.180 Straight up.

01:50:50.760 In one payment,

01:50:52.540 what's the biggest individual payment?

01:50:54.440 Like, has he sent you 10K?

01:50:56.240 What's the biggest payment?

01:50:57.300 10.

01:50:57.620 10K?

01:50:58.320 Probably.

01:50:58.520 And he sent you over 100K?

01:51:01.280 He hasn't sent it to me.

01:51:02.620 I'm saying not that money.

01:51:04.100 100K hasn't been sent to my bank account.

01:51:05.800 100K has probably been spent on me.

01:51:07.380 Total.

01:51:07.760 Spent on me.

01:51:08.640 I see.

01:51:09.060 Including the trips.

01:51:10.260 Trips.

01:51:10.560 Including, you know, whatever else.

01:51:13.220 Yeah.

01:51:13.720 But also cash.

01:51:15.160 Like, he got me my purse over there.

01:51:16.900 Cute purse.

01:51:17.020 What kind of purse is it?

01:51:18.820 Fendi.

01:51:19.260 Yeah.

01:51:19.500 Oh, Fendi.

01:51:20.480 Well...

01:51:20.680 You might want to check,

01:51:22.060 make sure it's not a knockoff, but...

01:51:23.600 That's true.

01:51:24.380 That's how they script it.

01:51:24.940 You can check and make sure for me.

01:51:26.340 I don't think it is.

01:51:28.140 Because I'm an expert in...

01:51:29.560 Okay, you can check then.

01:51:30.400 Do you buy knockoffs?

01:51:31.580 Do you buy on T-MU?

01:51:32.500 No, I don't.

01:51:33.660 What is the...

01:51:34.340 What is the...

01:51:35.120 What's the...

01:51:36.480 I guess the fetish is just a kind of masochism.

01:51:39.160 No, yeah, literally.

01:51:40.400 It is, but it's like the worst kind...

01:51:41.740 Literally.

01:51:41.780 You know, if you smack the guy with the whip,

01:51:43.560 then he has a bruise,

01:51:44.700 but if you drain the guy's bank account,

01:51:46.380 then he's broke.

01:51:48.000 That's crazy.

01:51:48.760 That's a fetish for some people.

01:51:50.940 Yeah, it literally is what they...

01:51:52.480 It's so weird.

01:51:53.600 Isn't that a good argument against like,

01:51:55.380 hey man, if you want to do it, just do it.

01:51:57.320 Because like, some people want things

01:51:58.800 that will literally bankrupt them

01:52:01.160 and that will ruin their lives.

01:52:03.500 Yeah.

01:52:04.180 Well, sorry.

01:52:05.680 Oh, just a few more questions of the scale of this.

01:52:08.960 So, you said this one guy,

01:52:11.260 he's paid you over $100,000.

01:52:12.400 Is he your biggest whale?

01:52:16.360 Do you have other whales?

01:52:17.580 I thought they were tricks.

01:52:18.600 All of a sudden, you know the terminology.

01:52:20.340 Whales are like in the same...

01:52:22.260 Like in a casino.

01:52:23.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:23.500 Like the guys who spend big money.

01:52:25.100 Are you asking me if he's the one

01:52:26.280 who spent the most amount of money on me so far?

01:52:28.940 Well, do you have other whales?

01:52:30.620 Or have you had other whales?

01:52:31.640 I have.

01:52:32.180 At the moment, no.

01:52:33.320 Is he the one who spent the most on you?

01:52:35.280 Yes.

01:52:35.840 Okay, so you've had...

01:52:36.780 Have you had other guys spend over $100,000 on you?

01:52:40.160 No.

01:52:40.640 Just him.

01:52:41.120 Okay.

01:52:41.560 If you had to...

01:52:42.560 I've had other guys fly me out,

01:52:44.740 pay for me and my girls to go on trips,

01:52:46.320 send me money,

01:52:47.000 but not like that.

01:52:48.460 I'm 19.

01:52:49.080 19.

01:52:49.880 So, when did it start?

01:52:51.360 When did it start?

01:52:51.980 When I was 18.

01:52:53.660 Good.

01:52:54.260 Okay.

01:52:54.780 Wait, so...

01:52:55.700 That's such a short period of time.

01:52:57.100 Yeah, for real.

01:52:57.800 My life changed a lot in the last year.

01:52:59.640 Word.

01:53:00.300 Wait, so...

01:53:00.800 Word.

01:53:00.820 And you said you've gone on hundreds of these dates with men,

01:53:04.280 some of them very short,

01:53:05.620 maybe one off,

01:53:06.580 and then some of them,

01:53:07.240 there was some continuity.

01:53:07.840 Look, they're everywhere in Atlanta.

01:53:08.840 Like, they're everywhere.

01:53:09.840 No, that's fine.

01:53:09.880 You can just be hanging out,

01:53:11.360 and it's a trick next to you.

01:53:12.340 If you had to estimate...

01:53:13.860 Seriously.

01:53:15.020 He's like, here's my money,

01:53:16.260 here's my wallet,

01:53:16.900 go have fun, go shop.

01:53:18.080 Seriously.

01:53:19.280 Wait, so, total.

01:53:21.660 If you add up all the men,

01:53:23.280 all the money they've given you,

01:53:24.460 total, how much do you think?

01:53:26.260 $200,000, $300,000?

01:53:27.520 More?

01:53:28.460 More?

01:53:28.700 Yeah.

01:53:29.280 $500,000?

01:53:29.980 No.

01:53:30.580 A few hundred thousand.

01:53:32.300 Should we say $300,000, safe number?

01:53:35.520 You can say that if you want.

01:53:36.560 I don't really know.

01:53:37.640 You...

01:53:37.900 I don't know.

01:53:38.940 You should get a bookkeeper, probably.

01:53:40.500 Yeah.

01:53:40.960 Shit.

01:53:41.420 Never been one to really keep track, but...

01:53:43.220 But you're 19.

01:53:44.700 Yeah.

01:53:46.680 You've...

01:53:46.720 You've...

01:53:48.060 Through this website,

01:53:49.220 you've been able to...

01:53:50.500 Bobby Freela donated $200.

01:53:52.900 Hey, Bobby, thank you, man.

01:53:53.880 Michael, how can you explain to these girls

01:53:56.260 that selling themselves for money

01:53:58.120 will negatively impact their chances

01:54:00.320 of having what they want beyond this money BS?

01:54:03.640 Drop some divine truth for them.

01:54:05.700 That's a big request,

01:54:07.140 but I guess it sort of gets to

01:54:09.120 what we were talking about earlier,

01:54:10.180 you know, about impeding

01:54:10.980 your potential to get married.

01:54:12.720 But even with the money thing,

01:54:14.060 let's say,

01:54:14.480 put the men aside for a second.

01:54:16.120 You want to have careers

01:54:17.260 for whatever reason.

01:54:19.100 Right?

01:54:19.640 You're spending a lot of time

01:54:21.060 and effort on this, right?

01:54:22.640 It's real work in that...

01:54:24.200 Yeah.

01:54:25.120 Maddie's CPA donated $200.

01:54:28.120 To be clear,

01:54:29.080 he only gifted her $34,000 last year,

01:54:32.360 which is the maximum

01:54:33.220 he could give as a joint file.

01:54:35.240 Yeah.

01:54:36.020 That's very important

01:54:36.940 for the agents to see that.

01:54:38.300 Yes.

01:54:38.800 So even if you just wanted

01:54:39.480 to have a career

01:54:39.960 for whatever reason,

01:54:40.680 like all the time

01:54:42.380 that you're spending

01:54:42.900 on this right now

01:54:43.680 is time where you're

01:54:45.060 producing this content,

01:54:45.940 but the content

01:54:46.380 is not going to build up

01:54:48.200 the potential for a career

01:54:49.280 after, you know,

01:54:51.080 old father time sets in

01:54:52.520 and you're not going

01:54:53.240 to be able to sell

01:54:53.680 for as much money

01:54:54.280 and get $300,000 off your tricks.

01:54:56.160 So wouldn't it be...

01:54:57.380 I had a buddy

01:54:57.900 who was a Twitch gamer.

01:55:00.100 He would just play video games

01:55:01.060 on Twitch

01:55:01.500 and people would give him

01:55:02.120 money for it.

01:55:03.720 He would do that for me too.

01:55:04.800 I'm a streamer.

01:55:05.500 So part of the reason

01:55:06.500 he stopped doing it,

01:55:07.160 he was making good money,

01:55:07.900 but he stopped doing it

01:55:08.720 because he said,

01:55:09.040 I'm not building any skills.

01:55:10.780 I'm not building anything

01:55:11.700 that's productive for me.

01:55:13.320 So when this money runs out,

01:55:14.960 it's it.

01:55:15.240 It looks like big money now.

01:55:16.300 It's very tempting,

01:55:16.880 but once it's gone,

01:55:18.220 it's gone,

01:55:18.720 and then I'm going

01:55:19.220 to be left

01:55:19.700 without skills to do a job

01:55:21.600 and then more importantly,

01:55:23.500 I might be impeded

01:55:24.280 from having what I really desire,

01:55:25.940 which is a family

01:55:26.700 and a good life.

01:55:27.200 Which, that's a valid point.

01:55:28.580 That's a very valid point.

01:55:29.860 I think in my opinion,

01:55:32.040 right now,

01:55:33.040 because I know

01:55:33.660 how much money I'm making,

01:55:35.400 it's my job

01:55:36.260 to budget it

01:55:37.020 and save it in a way

01:55:37.840 that if I'm ever

01:55:38.720 in the position

01:55:39.320 later on in life

01:55:40.240 that I'm not doing

01:55:41.320 this job anymore

01:55:41.920 and I need to figure out

01:55:42.600 what I can do next.

01:55:43.620 How much money is enough?

01:55:44.500 Can you close the door?

01:55:48.540 I know the answer.

01:55:49.500 You can always,

01:55:50.020 okay,

01:55:50.320 here's the thing with money.

01:55:51.300 You can always make money.

01:55:53.260 Like money is in everything.

01:55:54.880 You can have,

01:55:55.380 you can have a billion dollars

01:55:57.760 in your bank account

01:55:58.520 and you can live in your mansion

01:56:00.380 and it can all be gone.

01:56:01.660 Unhappy and everything.

01:56:04.000 I think that what's important

01:56:05.340 is like actually enjoying

01:56:06.840 what you do,

01:56:07.980 your purpose on earth

01:56:09.400 and keep doing new things.

01:56:11.980 Doing the good thing.

01:56:12.680 And reinvest it

01:56:13.500 and start new businesses.

01:56:15.160 It's not just like,

01:56:16.340 oh, when you quit

01:56:17.100 what you're doing,

01:56:17.980 like,

01:56:18.260 you're like,

01:56:18.600 oh, fuck.

01:56:19.240 Like you can use that money

01:56:21.200 and like start your own companies

01:56:22.440 and do like whatever.

01:56:23.580 You're actually passionate about.

01:56:24.980 I use my OnlyFans money

01:56:26.120 to start up like a clothing company

01:56:27.600 of my own too.

01:56:28.520 So like,

01:56:29.120 I mean,

01:56:29.360 I know like there's other things

01:56:30.560 that I'll build

01:56:31.180 throughout the years

01:56:32.100 of my own too

01:56:32.880 that I'll be able to fall back

01:56:34.020 on those when I know

01:56:34.760 there's going to come a day

01:56:35.900 when I'm going to say

01:56:36.440 I don't want to do OnlyFans anymore.

01:56:38.260 When that day is,

01:56:38.980 I don't know,

01:56:39.560 but I know when it comes

01:56:40.560 I'll have money saved up

01:56:41.480 to where I'll be able to do that.

01:56:42.700 My only point is

01:56:43.380 if you're saying

01:56:43.760 I'm doing it now

01:56:44.520 because I'm just getting,

01:56:45.540 the money is so good,

01:56:46.240 I just got to keep making more money.

01:56:47.680 I will tell you

01:56:48.420 having gone from

01:56:49.460 not having really any money

01:56:50.860 to having some money,

01:56:52.200 you think there's a number.

01:56:53.720 You're like,

01:56:53.920 if I make X amount,

01:56:55.160 then I'll stop doing this thing.

01:56:58.080 There's no real number.

01:56:59.240 You just,

01:56:59.920 the more you get,

01:57:00.640 you just,

01:57:00.960 you're going to want more of it.

01:57:01.740 And I think if you're setting yourself

01:57:02.660 up in a position,

01:57:03.660 yeah,

01:57:04.020 if you say this is the number,

01:57:05.420 you're going to keep doing it.

01:57:07.040 I agree.

01:57:07.980 I just also came from like,

01:57:09.800 I came from nothing.

01:57:10.740 Like I didn't grow up with this.

01:57:12.040 It's even more tempting.

01:57:12.680 This lifestyle,

01:57:13.640 yeah,

01:57:13.880 that I've been thrown into,

01:57:14.680 I have to remind,

01:57:17.040 I was raised in a trailer park.

01:57:18.920 Like I was,

01:57:19.420 I was raised with nothing.

01:57:21.140 Like I,

01:57:21.540 that's why it's so tempting.

01:57:22.600 So for me,

01:57:24.980 yeah,

01:57:25.200 now that I can support myself

01:57:26.540 and support the people

01:57:27.360 that are in my life

01:57:28.420 that I want to support,

01:57:29.120 it's all worth it to me.

01:57:30.160 But you're justifying it

01:57:31.120 to yourself in that.

01:57:31.820 Yes, I am.

01:57:32.280 But you could do something else

01:57:34.000 and support yourself.

01:57:34.580 I definitely could

01:57:34.860 and I do do other things.

01:57:36.080 Like I said,

01:57:36.560 I started to build a branding.

01:57:36.860 I'm saying you could do something else

01:57:38.120 in lieu of this

01:57:39.180 and you'd still be able to support yourself.

01:57:40.260 I agree with you.

01:57:41.020 You wouldn't have as much money though.

01:57:42.000 I agree with you.

01:57:42.820 So that's not really the justification.

01:57:45.540 The justification is,

01:57:46.460 hey, I came from nothing.

01:57:47.380 I've never had any money in my life.

01:57:48.720 Oh my goodness,

01:57:49.320 I'm making such an insane amount of money.

01:57:50.680 I'm living this crazy lifestyle.

01:57:51.860 How can I possibly say no to that?

01:57:53.860 But the answer is

01:57:55.060 because it might be hurting me

01:57:55.940 in the long run, right?

01:57:57.300 Sorry, say that again?

01:57:58.140 Because it might hurt me

01:57:59.140 in the long run

01:57:59.600 if I'm not developing certain skills

01:58:00.880 and if I'm not moving forward to...

01:58:03.100 What skills am I not developing?

01:58:04.840 Any other job you would be doing.

01:58:06.540 But I've been working

01:58:07.100 since I was 14 years old.

01:58:08.420 I've had,

01:58:09.040 I was a preschool teacher

01:58:09.880 before this started.

01:58:10.880 I've served in restaurants.

01:58:11.880 Yeah, sure, you could do a ton of things.

01:58:13.540 I've nannied done

01:58:13.980 all different types of weird,

01:58:15.380 you know, whatever.

01:58:16.500 I have acquired other skill sets

01:58:18.180 throughout the years.

01:58:18.820 But every minute

01:58:19.400 that you spend doing this

01:58:20.760 is a minute you're not spending

01:58:21.900 building up a skill

01:58:22.780 or forming a relationship

01:58:23.840 that might pay off later on

01:58:25.400 in a better way.

01:58:26.080 I would disagree with that

01:58:27.260 because if you're an OnlyFans creator,

01:58:28.640 you can't build other skills.

01:58:30.420 You can,

01:58:30.700 but not while you're doing OnlyFans.

01:58:32.800 I think so.

01:58:33.020 You're doing OnlyFans.

01:58:34.320 You're an entrepreneur.

01:58:35.580 There's 24 hours in a day.

01:58:37.320 One in a time.

01:58:37.960 There's 24 hours in a day.

01:58:39.220 I'm sure you can manage your time.

01:58:40.700 No, you're right.

01:58:41.700 You'll have other hours

01:58:42.700 perhaps to do something else,

01:58:43.880 but that's not what I'm saying.

01:58:44.940 What I'm saying is every,

01:58:46.120 and you spend more than a minute

01:58:47.120 or a minute on your OnlyFans.

01:58:48.180 Yeah.

01:58:48.620 Every minute you spend it.

01:58:49.400 I would piece one donated $200.

01:58:51.740 How many of you girls

01:58:52.860 would be proud of or happy

01:58:54.180 if your daughter

01:58:54.820 or little sister

01:58:55.720 engaged in this work,

01:58:57.320 behavior,

01:58:57.940 or attitudes?

01:59:00.440 Here,

01:59:00.820 just really quick

01:59:01.300 around the table.

01:59:01.880 Go ahead.

01:59:02.740 If it's her calling,

01:59:04.260 if it's,

01:59:04.920 you know,

01:59:05.400 my sibling.

01:59:05.680 Her calling?

01:59:06.340 Yeah,

01:59:06.600 her calling to do

01:59:07.400 this kind of work.

01:59:08.620 Make BJ videos?

01:59:10.060 Well,

01:59:10.620 if she wants to,

01:59:11.720 I mean,

01:59:12.040 like,

01:59:13.120 put,

01:59:13.620 like,

01:59:14.860 no.

01:59:17.240 Wait,

01:59:18.020 what was,

01:59:18.320 if she feels comfortable

01:59:19.500 making sex for content,

01:59:22.120 then yeah.

01:59:22.820 Wait,

01:59:23.040 that,

01:59:23.380 that was me.

01:59:24.720 That was you?

01:59:25.480 Holy shit.

01:59:26.020 I don't know if anybody,

01:59:27.260 do you guys know that song?

01:59:28.680 I'm blue,

01:59:29.440 dabo-dee,

01:59:30.100 dabo-dee,

01:59:30.840 dabo-dee,

01:59:32.160 dabo-dee,

01:59:32.720 dabo-dee,

01:59:33.880 dabo-dee,

01:59:33.900 dabo-dee,

01:59:33.920 I don't know if the viewer,

01:59:35.220 like,

01:59:35.520 the way you said,

01:59:36.960 it sounded like the start of,

01:59:38.700 I'm blue,

01:59:39.620 dabo-dee.

01:59:39.940 Okay.

01:59:40.940 Did anybody,

01:59:41.560 did the chat,

01:59:42.360 okay,

01:59:42.640 I'm sorry.

01:59:43.640 Did y'all catch one?

01:59:44.720 It was,

01:59:45.180 it was uncanny.

01:59:47.260 What band was it?

01:59:48.320 It was Eiffel 65

01:59:50.020 or something.

01:59:51.140 Deep cut.

01:59:51.500 Did anybody else

01:59:52.500 hear the,

01:59:53.880 I'm blue,

01:59:54.540 did anybody?

01:59:55.440 Did anybody else,

01:59:56.580 okay,

01:59:56.820 I don't know,

01:59:57.300 I'm sorry,

01:59:57.480 Jesus.

01:59:58.700 Okay,

01:59:59.200 what,

01:59:59.500 in response to the TTS,

02:00:01.260 would you be cool with your daughter

02:00:02.220 or sister,

02:00:03.220 I guess?

02:00:03.700 No.

02:00:04.220 Doing that?

02:00:05.460 If it made them happy,

02:00:06.580 yeah.

02:00:06.820 Made them happy,

02:00:07.620 okay,

02:00:07.960 what about you?

02:00:09.020 I definitely would not want my daughter

02:00:11.840 or little sister to do it

02:00:13.260 just because of things that come along with it

02:00:15.000 that I've heard about,

02:00:15.820 but I don't think I'm the moral police

02:00:17.780 and I feel like my responsibility

02:00:18.880 would be to just be there for them

02:00:20.340 and continue supporting them regardless.

02:00:22.840 They're not getting cut off

02:00:23.760 if my daughter decides she wants to do this,

02:00:25.460 I understand,

02:00:25.960 but my daughter's also never going to be in the position

02:00:28.060 to have to do what I had to do

02:00:29.240 because she's going to be taken care of.

02:00:32.200 I'd be neutral.

02:00:33.380 Neutral?

02:00:33.780 I think I'd support them regardless.

02:00:36.080 I honestly wouldn't want that.

02:00:37.060 I would expect you to say the opposite.

02:00:39.240 You were saying so many sensible things earlier.

02:00:41.120 I'm still very sensible.

02:00:42.900 Obviously,

02:00:43.580 like I said,

02:00:44.080 it brings that just as she said as well,

02:00:46.400 but it's not that I'm going to hate her

02:00:48.500 or my daughter or sister.

02:00:49.640 Would you desire it for her?

02:00:51.460 No, I wouldn't.

02:00:52.280 I wouldn't desire it for her.

02:00:53.020 Wait, really quick.

02:00:53.660 I want to clarify.

02:00:54.540 You said if she had to do it,

02:00:57.000 but in my scenario,

02:00:59.080 I was working a corporate job

02:01:01.120 where I was making six figures

02:01:02.180 and I quit it to do OnlyFans.

02:01:04.660 Nobody has to do it.

02:01:05.700 How much do you make now?

02:01:06.660 Six figures.

02:01:07.720 Do you make more or less?

02:01:10.260 It doesn't matter.

02:01:11.180 Six figures regardless.

02:01:12.880 Okay.

02:01:13.040 Well, six figures,

02:01:14.180 you know,

02:01:14.460 there's a big range.

02:01:14.960 What was your job before?

02:01:15.840 Right, it's one of your business.

02:01:16.360 What was your job before?

02:01:17.240 Oh, exactly.

02:01:18.400 I was the director of sales.

02:01:19.900 No, I wasn't actually.

02:01:21.160 Wait.

02:01:21.640 Nice try though.

02:01:22.180 I do want to wrap up here

02:01:23.300 a little bit on,

02:01:24.600 not the show,

02:01:25.220 but on the Sugar Daddy conversation.

02:01:28.280 Then I need to get a couple chats in.

02:01:30.580 Who else has had the similar tricks?

02:01:35.380 One of my fans tweeted.

02:01:42.300 It's fine.

02:01:42.720 It can fix that, I guess.

02:01:44.680 One of the mics fell.

02:01:45.560 It's fine.

02:01:46.220 So, one of my fans said

02:01:49.180 they would pay like $10,000

02:01:50.620 for me to spit on them.

02:01:53.640 Mm-hmm.

02:01:54.000 Mm-hmm.

02:01:55.340 You had that.

02:01:55.820 Stop it.

02:01:57.000 It gets you now.

02:01:57.600 Sounds about right.

02:01:59.020 Did you take it all right?

02:01:59.680 Did you do it?

02:02:01.480 Yeah, I said,

02:02:02.120 yeah, I'm down.

02:02:03.500 Did he pay you?

02:02:03.960 So you did it?

02:02:04.800 Yeah.

02:02:05.520 He paid you $10,000?

02:02:06.500 Yeah, he did.

02:02:07.360 Okay.

02:02:08.680 So you met up with him in person,

02:02:10.220 spit on him and said $10,000.

02:02:10.440 Well, he hasn't.

02:02:11.160 He hasn't.

02:02:11.780 And we're still planning on it.

02:02:13.280 Wait.

02:02:13.740 Wait.

02:02:14.000 But he's still planning on the meetup.

02:02:15.420 He already sent me the money.

02:02:16.420 Oh.

02:02:16.800 He already sent you the money before?

02:02:18.100 So you don't even have to spit on him now.

02:02:20.120 Well, I don't know.

02:02:20.720 Yeah, when we meet up.

02:02:21.560 I guess he could sue Tractual.

02:02:22.800 I don't know what the wall is about.

02:02:23.840 He didn't receive the goods, I guess.

02:02:26.680 Yeah.

02:02:27.180 That's crazy.

02:02:27.840 He could, yeah.

02:02:28.420 Is this like a spit on him and leave

02:02:30.120 or spit on him and ask him how his day was?

02:02:32.380 Yeah, dead ass.

02:02:34.300 Like, does he want to stay and talk afterwards?

02:02:35.700 That's a good question.

02:02:37.720 Cindy?

02:02:40.660 Yeah.

02:02:41.760 He wants to hang out, talk, get to know me.

02:02:46.920 He's a fan.

02:02:47.660 So is that before the spit or after the spit?

02:02:50.540 I haven't spit.

02:02:51.260 He sent the money.

02:02:52.140 We're securing it.

02:02:53.160 You know what I mean?

02:02:53.760 But at what point will he ask how your day is?

02:02:55.740 $200.

02:02:56.660 Oh.

02:02:57.220 I'm blue.

02:02:58.000 Da-ba-dee-da-ba-dee-a-ay-a-a-dee-ba-dee-ba-dee-a-ay-tee-ba-dee-ba-dee-ba-dee-ba-dee-bae-ay-ba-dee-bae-bae-dee-bae-dee-bae-dee-bae- difference at all.

02:03:14.760 Bruce was the energy.

02:03:16.080 That's absolutely beautiful.

02:03:17.680 um wait so so my question was though do you like as soon as you see him is it like

02:03:22.780 you're going for it or is there he would probably like well hold on hold on do you build a bit of

02:03:28.800 rapport first before the spit yeah definitely we have you know a little rapport like a relationship

02:03:35.060 he has my number when we meet up he probably wants me to spit in his mouth that oh that's

02:03:40.860 wow okay so is it like i don't know where he wants me to spit but like i'll like that's

02:03:46.580 that's no no you need to find that out before actually he already paid you fuck it don't

02:03:49.960 even go good times here let me get a couple chats then he'll be a trick if you don't give him

02:03:56.060 anything he's just a trick just a trick i learned that today trick we need oh i wouldn't i wouldn't

02:04:01.120 do that i want him to be to continue lana has its own vocabulary i swear to you okay here let me read

02:04:07.080 a couple chats here uh we have bender the offender do these ladies realize that by them being involved

02:04:13.940 in the pornography industry they will be unintentionally trapping themselves in a

02:04:19.400 constant cycle of regret and relationship issues your thoughts well we've kind of talked about that

02:04:27.440 yeah extensively talked about that but bender the offender how about show of hands do you realize

02:04:34.980 do you realize oh yep we realize or do you not realize i just disagree i just i just don't disagree

02:04:43.040 yeah it's great honesty like the first step to doing anything really that is like uh edifying is

02:04:49.440 to like face reality honestly it's very good no like you can have your own opinion on it and

02:04:54.400 yeah you know what though here's my i i do have a thought on this is that to what degree

02:05:01.240 is it cope when it comes to oh these girls who do porn and only fans they're just going to be

02:05:08.720 miserable the rest of their lives and never find a partner when what if what's going on in society

02:05:14.060 is shift i don't know if it's the overton window if that that would apply to this but it's shifting to

02:05:19.100 the point where it's there's so many women involved in it it's becoming more and more acceptable men

02:05:24.860 are having uh there's fewer women that are falling into more tradition like uh mod modesty or tradition

02:05:34.140 um to the point where they are just going to have to accept and quote unquote settle for

02:05:40.640 this sort of thing but the women have to settle for the men too because the men are all like you

02:05:45.840 know whatever 95 of these men are looking at porn regularly anyway so you know it's a kind of a

02:05:50.640 mutual degradation which is not to recommend it but uh you know they're like there is another

02:05:55.980 option yeah it's not like a brick okay um we have fally here sup michael sup two at whatever podcast

02:06:05.960 panels in two days and you're the official reviewer for tom mcdonald songs busy man also been waiting

02:06:12.560 months to say this love the hairstyle stay truthful bro thank you you know i've had this hairstyle since i

02:06:18.800 was six my dad has that hairstyle does he he a man has great taste can we google can we do a google

02:06:25.600 of young michael knowles and it's true i might i was like baby i found some some like back during

02:06:33.260 your acting years oh no same same hairstyle i had and i had one back in my derelict listen we talked

02:06:39.600 about all the shameful things i ever did party too much you know go dating around stuff the most shameful

02:06:44.960 obviously it's being a professional actor and i i had this headshot once where i had glasses on

02:06:49.440 and i i looked exactly like rachel maddow the left-wing commentator and i yeah i looked like a

02:06:56.560 lesbian and that's why i don't wear them i love that for you yeah you probably look so cute stop

02:07:01.760 of course you have that opinion you know i i you might be kind of blurry for me right now but

02:07:08.960 i can't i can't wear them anymore you got anything i'm blurry you're a little blurry really a little

02:07:15.120 how many what you got 12 yeah all right look at look at this oh my god come on that's so cute

02:07:23.200 oh come on okay whoa whoa here we go what is that here we go oh my god all right i'll tell you

02:07:31.360 what let me tell you that picture that picture from a that was from a yale thesis film and i'm laying in

02:07:37.600 bed in this film there's another fella we're not doing anything we're lying in bed nothing wrong with

02:07:41.920 it i wanted to well no there's a lot wrong with it but what i will say is that is the most heterosexual

02:07:46.560 thing ever to happen at yale university and i won't hear otherwise for a minute yeah wow okay

02:07:51.280 nice interesting nice it's amazing though you know i when i was an actor i played all these

02:07:56.880 parts i i was a football player in a in a player movie i was a soldier i did this no one ever brings

02:08:03.760 those up nobody but you play one half gay guy in a yale thesis film all of a sudden that's the

02:08:08.080 only one they want to talk about just one just one why do you think there's something wrong with

02:08:11.840 that well because i think that men and women are made for each other and the sexes are complementary

02:08:16.960 and that the t loss of our sexuality is to get married and have children that's really depressing

02:08:22.400 huh i have to agree i think god you agree with me yeah i agree with you yeah yeah because i feel

02:08:27.440 like god said that like you know we have two genders a girl and a guy and adam and eve not adam and

02:08:33.920 steve man exactly you know exactly the world also sorry go ahead no no go ahead go ahead i was

02:08:39.760 going to say the world also isn't how god intended right now the world is very different because it's

02:08:44.080 fallen well yeah yeah yeah okay all right good time i don't consider myself very religious but i

02:08:51.520 consider myself spiritual and never have i ever i do believe in god and i believe in a lot of the

02:08:56.320 things the bible says never have i ever felt a certain type of guilt for being gay i don't think

02:09:00.960 you're gay though i don't think i don't think like i think you know i think the way that i see you don't

02:09:07.120 think she's she's gay i don't even really know i mean sure i i take your word for it that you're

02:09:11.840 attracted to women i'm very attracted to women i love nothing more than women i think i'm very

02:09:16.320 gay i think i'm the most gay i could ever be i thought you said that you like guys too you know

02:09:20.560 my dad used to think my dad used to think it was a phase two and so did all my siblings and so did

02:09:24.960 all my friends and then they saw the way i act around women and how crazy i become when i really

02:09:29.040 like a woman but you're like no you're definitely gay you told us at the beginning of this show that

02:09:32.960 you were bisexual yeah i guess i'm a little five percent bisexual i have a five percent for men out

02:09:37.360 there yeah i wish there was a test for it that would give me an easier answer yeah no look i mean

02:09:43.280 people people have all i mean it's a fallen world so we have all sorts of disordered uh desires and

02:09:47.840 things i'm not saying we need to chuck i don't think my desire for women is disordered i've never

02:09:51.760 seen sophia not with a woman like i've never seen her like look at a man i believe the 95 percent

02:09:57.440 i've never seen her look at a man and think i want him but i've seen her look at women and say

02:10:02.480 i want i have to have her or else i'm gonna go clinically insane you said you wanted kids

02:10:07.280 i do want kids the way to have kids is what there's other ways to have kids that's just the

02:10:10.880 traditional way there is no way you brought up without a guy adopting a child i could get a

02:10:15.920 sperm donor i could adopt there's a lot of kids in the you know adoption system here in the u.s that

02:10:24.800 raise your hand if you have ever lied on social media posting yacht picks your friend's mom took

02:10:30.240 you on who is this points if you brought coke and did add old content on a family trip okay who

02:10:40.480 the last part i have made content on a family trip oh but my family knows i do only

02:10:45.360 so they're very let me uh i'm gonna get i don't do i don't do drugs that's my mom trying to start

02:10:50.080 drama because we got in a big fight so just okay all right wait hi mommy oh is that directed to you

02:10:54.960 yeah that's directly oh that's my mom's trying to start drama we got in a big fight you and your

02:10:58.960 mom are beefing we don't create that's your mom no i don't that is she's talking about that your

02:11:03.760 mother posted that yes can we move on yeah my mom is very um seriously cool huh these chicks live

02:11:11.040 life on easy mode actually that's what i was gonna say with the 300 000 thing 100k some guys don't even

02:11:17.200 make that per year it took me 10 plus years to get to 400k a year in salary and this chick is 19 how

02:11:22.560 the f can men respect you no okay i actually don't think it's easy necessarily right you've

02:11:30.160 talked about all these well she just went away but all these like awful things you have to put up

02:11:34.160 with like stalkers and weirdos and you know you're producing all i actually don't think it's that easy

02:11:38.400 and it's not and it comes with all sorts of emotional mentally it's not yeah yeah so i actually

02:11:42.640 don't i think like that i think you pay for it you do cost times donated two hundred and seven

02:11:48.800 dollars ladies of the panel you should have families if not just to propagate your beautiful

02:11:54.560 genes men need to propagate the patriarchy smiles start now in a new skill

02:12:02.160 wow okay lovely way to say that thank you pico steens pico steins thank you appreciate it

02:12:08.320 uh yeah i mean to some degree though i mean you i know you're mentioning the you know the content and

02:12:14.240 deal what what comes with it um but it i mean if if we were to do uh when we're talking about easy i

02:12:21.440 think perhaps this uh chatter whatever fan he said comparatively speaking i don't think there's a lot

02:12:27.520 of 18 year old men that can can uh finesse money out of middle-aged women to the there's not like a

02:12:37.520 corresponding uh you know thing where 18 year old men can make that level of money sort of almost by

02:12:47.280 virtue of just being can who keeps dropping their shit hello i'm not i don't know why

02:12:55.040 gravity probably keeps leaping out of the chair okay no that's true 18 year old man can't do it for

02:13:00.320 sure yeah but um i have to disagree i think there are men that are able to because of because i've

02:13:07.200 met men that are like 18 and they're really like secured in their bag it's not middle-aged women

02:13:12.880 buying that content though or you're just saying 18 year old men can make money other ways yeah yeah

02:13:19.600 well if they want to invest in bitcoin and stuff but i'm just saying there are men that are young

02:13:24.240 that are able to that's true my my associate producer jacob who's over there he's like 12 years old

02:13:28.720 and that kid that kid's bought two camaros in the last like months is this true jacob paying him

02:13:33.360 too much two camaros it's because he keeps crashing and blowing them up so he has to get new

02:13:37.280 i got more of a mustang vibe from jacob yeah i thought i got more of like a mazda miata vibe

02:13:45.200 from him the first time i met him but not like a pontiac firebird yeah yeah like yeah like a something

02:13:50.800 like a pontiac vibe there you go i like your piercing thank you that's hot

02:13:54.960 cool story okay we have eric here donate uh thank you eric really appreciate your message

02:14:01.760 welcome back michael you give great advice what cigar do you have today i hope it is in

02:14:06.320 a lewinski special brian thanks for the great great guests keep doing your thing hey eric thank

02:14:11.600 you what yeah thanks man i'm funny you asked it's not a lewinski special i'm pleased to announce

02:14:16.640 it's a mayflower dusk cigar a beautiful ecuador habana wrapper with a sumatra binder and nicaraguan

02:14:23.120 filler rolled on the thighs of virgins i tried to go down to the factory when we were finally

02:14:27.840 in the last stages of producing it i was held up by the the government of the country that is

02:14:34.640 producing them so we had to reroute but all's well that ends well and they are live again for pre-sale

02:14:39.760 after months of anticipation the largest cigar launch i think in the history of tobacco

02:14:44.960 mayflowercigars.com you have to be 21 years older to order some exclusions apply i have a question

02:14:49.360 you've practiced that huh do you know that do you know that that was pretty good do you know

02:14:52.640 the meme where it compares like do you know the meme where it compares women who take like

02:14:57.440 photos of their legs while they're laying at the beach compares it to hot dogs you guys should do a

02:15:02.800 campaign because i mean that photo looked like you could do like is it a mayflower cigar yeah or

02:15:09.360 women's leg or hot dog yeah i do have i can be part of that if you want to are you saying you have

02:15:15.280 hot dog i have very hot dog legs yeah okay so did you say you wanted to promote the cigar i do want

02:15:21.440 to promote the cigar also quick question thank you amy check appreciate it thank you for the gift

02:15:25.760 of 20 memberships go ahead michael can we smoke a cigar together after this i would love to i would

02:15:30.800 love nothing but we should do it here during the show can we light up a cigar can we spark up

02:15:36.000 we unfortunately i rent and my landlord would evict me welcome to california welcome to california uh

02:15:46.720 yes i would likely uh get evicted so unfortunately we cannot smoke here but outside we can all right

02:15:53.200 where were we um i'm trying to think where we were we were we were we hit uh sugar i think everybody

02:15:59.120 hit the sugar anything we hit the sugar okay oh cindy you what so is that what was the thing that

02:16:06.320 you had you were gonna spit in his mouth i believe yeah he's paying me to spit in his mouth that's

02:16:12.480 fucking disgusting but he already paid her yeah so y'all wouldn't do that for 10 grand i have to do it

02:16:19.280 huh yeah for 10 grand if someone offered you 10k to spit on them you're telling me you'd say no i

02:16:24.160 would say no if i offered you 10 grand and i was like spit in my mouth for ten thousand dollars you

02:16:28.640 wouldn't do it as a 20 year old as a broke 20 year old and someone said you make a good i would

02:16:32.720 have been here 10k spit you'd say fuck yeah i i would have been tempted to say something like

02:16:38.800 that that's true but but it is kind of it's disgusting right you were disgusted by it they're

02:16:43.040 not spitting in your mouth but even you doing it i don't know honestly if they offered to spit in

02:16:47.760 my mouth for 10k i'm fucking doing it yeah me too what i don't do this work and i would spit on

02:16:53.040 someone seriously so many times for 10k i would i would spit on people even offer to pay for my

02:16:59.920 for my farts what in a jar yeah yeah about that that's crazy i would do that or like my gym socks

02:17:07.280 or like shitting underwear getting on someone excuse me people have literally offered like they want

02:17:13.360 you to shit on them stop it get some help okay all right it's y'all species i you know what she's

02:17:25.920 not totally wrong it is what is wrong more than we do we're just making money off of it i blame the

02:17:32.000 these degenerate men who like throw obscene amounts of money like i also blame the women though here i'm

02:17:40.400 i'm very not judgy you know blame yeah right like okay we'll be fair we're both to blame if

02:17:45.680 a man has that desire for whatever reason like a charitable woman would not encourage it right

02:17:50.960 you say like yo man you do the michael jordan you just be like yo man like get some help go to you

02:17:55.920 know what you don't need you you need a psychiatrist you wouldn't look at someone who said here's 10k if

02:18:00.480 you spit on me and say you need some help you'd say i think at least today look i hope that when i was

02:18:05.680 broke in 20 i hope i would say no thank you sir but i but certainly today certainly today i do not

02:18:11.600 need ten thousand dollars that bad that i'm going to spit on a guy or sell any of these things and i

02:18:16.000 guess i would say sir i would give that guy money i'd say sir here's bus fare to go to the psychiatrist

02:18:21.360 and yes that's crazy i guess it's like two dollars you know i guess we're a capitalist

02:18:27.440 uh yes and there are problems with capitalism and there are like big problems because it ultimately

02:18:33.040 degrades to treat people like commodities and and it it degrades people to the point

02:18:37.520 that everything becomes about material and money and dudes are paying you 10 grand to spit in their

02:18:41.120 face well if it's a specific kink like and not everyone will act that out for them or like get with

02:18:47.600 it um sorry my ma's calling me yeah shouldn't they just like keep that to themselves no because it's

02:18:56.560 up to us as i mean sex workers to say yes we're comfortable with that or no we're not comfortable with

02:19:01.600 that i i think like there's nothing wrong with their kings and asking i put a lot of blame on

02:19:06.400 men to be honest on this one i mean like the thing is look i i personally don't really i don't get it

02:19:12.880 because i i think it's the parasocial like you actually get to communicate with these girls although

02:19:19.040 even to what end these girls are don't respect you they're never going to date you they're never

02:19:24.960 going to i mean unless they're actual prostitutes they're never going to actually be romantic

02:19:30.560 romantically involved with you so i get i get that there's like the girlfriend experience they

02:19:34.640 get to actually chat with you which even that's dubious because a lot of you have typers in

02:19:39.600 bangladesh who are typing while you're off and do you like hold on hold on hold on let me just

02:19:46.080 completely let me just finish what i don't get though if it's strictly about them viewing your

02:19:50.720 pornographic content that's what really confuses me bamboozles me is the the immense amount of free

02:19:59.520 pornography that's available how room temperature iq do you have to be with the the i think the same

02:20:06.800 thing every day right word here i don't know i literally there's so much free porn why are you

02:20:12.640 paying because it's obviously not about because because it's not about the person it's about the

02:20:16.880 relationship no it's not about it's about the relationship with your with your male a lot of

02:20:22.080 these typer bangladeshi okay so that's not fair to make that assumption for everybody i don't have

02:20:27.200 yeah you can't say i talk to all my fans but let me ask you a question just the same thing with

02:20:32.160 these girls who do only fans who have boyfriends they wouldn't admit if they did so if you did have

02:20:37.360 a typer you sure you wouldn't come on here and say by the way i have a typer we've had girl i'm not

02:20:42.640 i'm not gonna put anyone on blast but yes girls who say they don't have a typer who say they respond

02:20:47.760 to all the messages have typers well it's not the case for everyone so i just wanted to make

02:20:52.320 a lot of that i'm not saying all of them i think like most of them most of them have a typer

02:20:57.360 a lot of girls i actually refuse to do that and they want to do it but i do i do actually i object

02:21:02.880 to it more than the nude content women who are misrepresenting the degree to which they're going

02:21:07.600 to have a fan interaction it's essentially fraud and misrepresentation if you state that i'm the one

02:21:14.160 talking to you but in actuality it's some manager a male manager but if you're the dude what do you

02:21:20.000 care it's just a text coming through from your like weird addiction yeah it's just getting you off

02:21:24.240 yeah it works then it works who cares morally i think that's wrong if you are saying specifically

02:21:29.920 i do not have a chatter but you have a chatter i think that's morally wrong because they're paying

02:21:33.440 for a subscription to talk not even well if you it's not even that you say you don't have a chatter

02:21:38.320 but you do it's most women most only fans people wouldn't frame it like that they would say

02:21:45.360 uh personalized texting you're messaging me but they actually have a typer i know this is a

02:21:50.240 bit that says the same thing though i'm saying like if they're saying i'm talking to you and

02:21:53.360 they're not i think that's morally wrong and i'll say that as i also you could also actually make

02:21:56.880 the case that it's actually uh civil fraud i don't know if it it reaches if it's actually

02:22:02.400 criminal fraud but it's certainly civil fraud but if you're the dude you'd be so embarrassed

02:22:05.600 i disagree though that you said that we don't respect our followers i completely disagree with

02:22:10.000 that i actually have like cool dudes that subscribe to my only fans no you don't yes i do you might

02:22:14.640 believe that i'm not even convinced you do believe that but you do not have a single cool dude

02:22:18.480 i do actually they are all i like actually huge losers they are well you can say that they are

02:22:24.320 they are look it's not because you're a very pretty and lovely gal but it's if you're subscribing to

02:22:28.880 this stuff you are so deeply pathetic that is your opinion i can say the same thing about you

02:22:34.880 i have a question have you ever been on a site like only fans porn hub have you ever subscribed

02:22:40.640 to anyone's account at any point in your life before you were married maybe it's just because

02:22:44.400 i'm too cheap i would never look for all i'm not saying i'm like mr perfect i've done plenty of

02:22:49.440 terrible things that's valid i would never to your point brian you know there's plenty of free

02:22:54.640 porn out there have you like straight up have you ever paid for someone's page on only fans

02:23:00.080 i'll tell you this anything i'll tell you this actually uh i don't want to expose any of the

02:23:04.160 girls on the show we recently did see a girls i did have somebody on my behalf because she she was

02:23:10.560 really claiming that she uh responds to all the messages so during during the show i had someone pay

02:23:17.680 for only it was like 10 bucks and send her a message unfortunately we didn't you know we don't

02:23:23.920 i you just totally out of the girl no that's a lie what because you subscribed to mine huh

02:23:30.960 you're a fucking liar i saw i saw and i know on the statements your name brian you're literally

02:23:36.480 a liar oh i'm not that literally says brian let's see there's you're literally slandering me right

02:23:42.800 now because no i didn't what's the email address it doesn't tell you that wait it says your name

02:23:50.640 do you have a free one was it your free one oh do you have a free one are you okay so this is no

02:23:59.520 because well it's sometimes we'll look at the girls from the whatever uh only fans account we'll look

02:24:05.200 at for like intel in the same way that we look at your twitters and we know intel no literally

02:24:11.280 they sit in a circle and look for intel but this is so he does so what's the first off i i'm i'm

02:24:21.600 fairly confident we didn't even look at yours though i saw all my statements this is your your

02:24:27.760 first and last name i mean wow what email look it up no but on only fans you don't see the email

02:24:36.400 you don't see a user name yeah you can't see anything that's too much information i'm sure some

02:24:40.560 of you have donald trump who have subscribed okay so just say someone cared enough to make a fake

02:24:45.920 name that was your name but how how am i supposed to it could be you you you don't have to prove it

02:24:52.400 but i don't you know okay this is yeah you don't owe anyone anything no if it wasn't you it wasn't

02:24:58.960 you yeah if it wasn't you it wasn't you if it was someone else okay it wasn't it wasn't what is a

02:25:04.320 free only fans isn't the whole point that you pay money well there's like free ones

02:25:08.480 there's different strategies i mean if you're going for a free page or a paid page just depends

02:25:13.520 when people have free pages it's like a little tease to get you to subscribe to their paid only

02:25:19.120 fans oh so you also have the paid you can see can you see the account you can see the username

02:25:24.160 for who subscribed stop raise your hand if you're no no no no i i i i want a full like uh vindication of

02:25:32.640 this accusation you can look on your only fans and see the username correct what was the username

02:25:39.360 your name brian atlas

02:25:46.240 so actually other brian i was gonna say yeah what's that that doesn't even make sense for

02:25:52.400 whoever there's other people that have your same name you know it's like her to do that

02:25:55.600 but straight up that doesn't make well the only only fans account that is owned is the only fans

02:25:59.760 dot com slash whatever account so unless it was from that one which i it sounds like it wasn't

02:26:03.680 then that's an imposter or somebody who shares my for my first and last name what kind of content

02:26:09.600 you post on there oh are you just like it's like a troll page oh okay we don't do any adult content

02:26:14.880 bummer it's just like to investigate i was this guy literally with big labia

02:26:19.920 hey let's not discriminate well i mean you did when you got your labia plasty

02:26:28.240 i don't know or was that a joke no i'm being dead ass serious

02:26:31.440 that is september 29 2022 so disappointed

02:26:40.880 did that just zoom into your face or something no but it's the dramatic back

02:26:44.480 well like my fans like my labia they've never seen my labia the other way so cindy also admitted

02:26:51.520 to me after a show that what i i almost want to like retributively slander you in return okay um

02:27:01.760 whatever uh let's see exactly whatever exactly whatever i have some pre-show notes here i want to

02:27:07.840 get into uh oh here's a question that was related to we were talking about uh income and money would

02:27:15.760 you rather be a millionaire entrepreneur single with no kids at 35 or a stay-at-home mom with two

02:27:22.560 kids married to a millionaire at 35 stay-at-home mom with two kids around the table i would rather be a

02:27:32.480 stay-at-home mom with two kids married to a millionaire yeah i agree with that what was

02:27:36.960 35 option that i just read yeah sorry would you rather be a millionaire entrepreneur single with no

02:27:44.240 kids at 35 or a stay-at-home mom with two kids married to a millionaire at 35 it depends who my

02:27:51.200 partner is whoever you're married to i guess well it would depend who it is say it was a great one a

02:27:57.840 great one i think that's a good option but i'd also like to have my own career well so which of

02:28:04.480 the two if you had to pick by 35 by 35 i want kids yeah probably good neglect yeah personally i don't

02:28:13.040 want to work i do not want a career um i would be a stay-at-home mom same as well yeah stay-at-home mom

02:28:21.280 okay good to know good to know unanimous decision you guys good choice okay great yeah it's great

02:28:29.040 you know if i had it to do all over again it was i guess i just have a nice sugar daddy husband a

02:28:37.360 couple of kids you know the millionaire no i don't because i kind of am that's what i was

02:28:42.160 going to say aren't you yeah i kind of am the guy and then i've got the wife with the two kids

02:28:46.640 who's younger who like actually made money like that and who i actually

02:28:49.920 fucked with and yeah it would be cool it could work out but i haven't found that yet

02:28:54.560 not a trick a guy yeah like a guy my age in his 20s like 25 i did michael you asked a question which

02:29:02.240 i thought was good or it was more so of a statement i think but uh it was about how the girls don't

02:29:08.000 really like or respect their subscribers and i mean the way i was kind of approaching it was more

02:29:14.080 from like from a romantic perspective i don't think these are ever men that you would actually

02:29:19.040 be romantically involved with i would disagree i don't know that you think so yeah i like stand

02:29:24.560 by that like some of my subs are actually really cool yeah stopping you from yeah you said you've

02:29:29.760 been if they're really cool and you're single i'm not looking for a relationship i said that off

02:29:35.440 bat why is that right now i'm not i don't want a relationship right now okay okay does that make

02:29:43.440 sense you're not looking for how old are you again 25 25 okay do you want to get married one day i do

02:29:49.360 yeah have kids yep okay i mean 25 you're still okay but uh you know it's no not i'm saying you're

02:29:58.240 getting up there is that what you're trying to say are you trying to say i'm getting old are you trying

02:30:01.600 to say she's how old are you brian i'm saying hold on let me ask you a question how old are you i'm 34

02:30:06.320 but what i'm saying is nice i'm saying that okay you saw that too you saw that too yeah i saw that

02:30:12.800 the difference is is that when it for women because when it comes to fertility there is a

02:30:17.040 differential there yeah i graduated with a physiology degree yeah she said i know cool cool story

02:30:25.120 but the you're you're totally disregarding the pursuit of a relationship

02:30:31.280 assuming you're actually single and assuming i am actually single so to your point i mean you

02:30:37.040 should get married too okay here we go the tables yeah the turntables have brian we can talk about this

02:30:43.760 after the show yeah but i also feel like like relationship love relation doesn't just develop it

02:30:49.040 could it could take a year for you guys to actually you know be in a relationship and you know what i mean

02:30:55.840 so yeah it's not like yeah and i disagree with the whole i disrespect my fans or followers on only

02:31:01.440 fans saying like that is not true like i have respect for y'all for sure you say that publicly

02:31:06.320 but i suspect privately you have some degree of content i don't think it's possible to for you i

02:31:11.520 understand why you would say it because that's kind of the show but like i don't think it's possible

02:31:16.000 for you to respect them because they're not worthy of respect at all i mean they're doing a very

02:31:20.160 degrading thing that's your that's so wild but you all agree i know no i obviously agree with me

02:31:25.840 and publicly you can't say it no i actually don't really yeah oh yeah so then why don't you go on

02:31:30.240 dates with all these marvelous men because i'm not dating i'm not dating i don't want to date y'all

02:31:36.080 right i wouldn't date them either if i'm not dating in general regardless if you're a follower of

02:31:41.520 my own i would say like dating taking fans out of it's like okay i'm not saying i'm famous but

02:31:46.960 like a famous person dating someone that's not famous is completely not weird you know what i

02:31:52.560 mean a fan of theirs that's not weird i don't think probably the issue with them isn't that they're

02:31:55.840 obscure the issue with them is they're you know exalting you as you know their object of desire

02:32:00.960 while they pleasure themselves to pornography that's what makes it that's that's you don't

02:32:06.000 you don't really think that i do think that i met like a bunch of them this past week and they're

02:32:10.000 like so awesome and where'd you meet them your job requires you to say nice things about them oh you

02:32:13.920 went to that how was it it was awesome i have some friends that went to that i didn't see so i love

02:32:19.440 her me too she's so good who celebrate is she uh she's come on the whatever show she was she's

02:32:25.920 anal princess yeah how could i but she's very just like normal she's very like down to earth normal

02:32:33.360 like you should look she was dating or maybe don't i don't know she was dating one of her fans he lived

02:32:38.320 in a homeless shelter and she dated he they dated for three years and they just broke up like a few

02:32:43.280 months ago i think had they gotten married that might have been a good counter-argument to uh

02:32:49.360 to my point no yeah i know they didn't they didn't okay uh we have poopy's i gotta read a couple of

02:32:56.240 these poopy's mom raise your hand if you're beefing with your mom because she got tired of you and your

02:33:01.040 friend treating her like a trick so you moved across the country last week okay well i'm not gonna wait

02:33:06.080 can i say something hey mom didn't you go to jail for fraud is this actually your mom that's actually

02:33:11.120 a memo god damn okay good she's about to reverse those what is going on with them oh my god hey

02:33:19.120 mom don't you make a living out of an illegal no no okay all right all right all right let's i don't

02:33:25.040 know what's going on here what uh okay and then there was uh uh nick hey mia since you're single will

02:33:31.200 you date me i think i fall in love how beautiful and mature being on of you're too sweet and i would

02:33:36.000 love to get to know you more i'm a fan who said what what they say oh i prefer not to answer that

02:33:40.880 one oh okay all right all right there's some meta things going on here with the okay uh so i'm trying

02:33:51.200 to recall where we were we were going around the table on something i think we everyone answered

02:33:57.040 though so i have some pre-show notes from you guys naomi lynn you said the only pre-show you provided

02:34:04.320 was uh you were dating athletes mhm nfl yeah my last ex nba yeah that was like more nhl no hockey

02:34:19.520 players you stick to the nba and mostly like football yeah how many nfl players have you dated

02:34:25.120 three-ish what teams multiply i prefer not to disclose that information was it travis kelsey

02:34:38.400 no i wish sorry actually sorry i respect taylor swift my bad and i don't like to talk about

02:34:43.280 nba players too yeah okay i was an athlete oh i cheered in college so i just knew a lot of athletes

02:34:51.280 already so i'm glad that you revised that sentence there oh no sorry shots fired well we were in

02:34:58.560 athletics we were treated like athletics you got everything that they did so i mean gotcha and it

02:35:05.360 i saw that you also and that doesn't matter let's see we have uh mia huffman did you date future

02:35:13.840 no why did why do i have that in my notes i'll go by that i'll go by that yeah for sure i did yeah

02:35:22.240 was it a tweet something about future i don't know do you know what i'm talking about what is

02:35:26.480 future i don't know the rapper yeah that'd be fire wait always on me talk to king

02:35:33.760 i think you've made this disclosure on another podcast um was there something about a frat that you

02:35:43.280 can tell us and you've shared the story on other podcasts yeah it's semi-public i'm not there's not

02:35:51.440 a story there's multiple stories tell us the multiple stories i used to go to cal poly pomona

02:35:57.200 i was a little frat rat i guess um i was in zeta's office wait what's a frat rat um frat rat like i

02:36:05.280 just i loved one frat you had sexual intercourse with like not the whole frat no no no no like 70

02:36:11.120 uh no like a small percentage but i was just always at the frat house i was always just having

02:36:17.600 fun i was at parties i was 18. um but yeah that was just i just really loved the front i was more

02:36:24.320 hardcore about the frat than i was my sorority oh you were in the sorority okay so what were some of

02:36:29.920 the stories that you had from the frats just being locked in a lot walked in on by like the whole frat

02:36:41.120 no just like large groups of the frat like a few people like once did they join no no no no no and

02:36:47.920 they stayed no they left oh i was polite of them yeah they were polite there's not much to say it was

02:36:57.360 just i was just like always having fun there i was always drunk very messy uh so and the question

02:37:03.120 for you uh you were there any there were no frat orgies is that nothing that i okay um you're catholic

02:37:12.000 correct i was raised catholic raised catholic are you still catholic i'm starting to go like monthly

02:37:16.640 with my mom nice all right that's great yeah you but you did say also in your notes to us previously

02:37:22.560 that you've learned to support polyamorous relationships yes while being catholic because

02:37:27.600 of the dynamic that is becoming modern day dating that seems a bit contradictory to the catholic faith

02:37:35.040 i think so we talked about it last time i'd say um i definitely learned that obviously nowadays

02:37:42.960 there's a lot of hookup culture and you guys actually asked them about the hookup culture not me

02:37:46.240 um i don't engage in it myself but i have learned to accept like that's the reality like younger girls

02:37:52.560 or just anybody we're all like we're young we have sexual drives people are having those like

02:37:57.600 polyamorous technical relationships or they're with multiple people so i've learned to just kind of

02:38:03.440 not that i hate on it at all i don't hate on it i understand that's just kind of what sexual drive is

02:38:07.680 especially nowadays so that's where i come into term where i don't chastise it and say like oh that's

02:38:13.120 terrible they cannot do that they're terrible people they're ultimate sinners they're not like

02:38:16.800 they're just they are sinners but they're human it's human nature nowadays no that's not there's

02:38:21.440 nothing radical yeah so it's nothing radical it's just i simply accept it like that's just how

02:38:25.920 but you say it's not for me it's just not for me yeah yeah that's why i'm and you and you wouldn't

02:38:30.880 you say it's not good but it's you know but it's the fallen world that's how i don't feel like good

02:38:34.960 and bad is ever like a good there's not a correct did you catch that i know there's not a correct way

02:38:40.960 to quantify like good or bad anymore nowadays especially in 2024 when did that when did that

02:38:45.520 change i think it's changed as we've all gotten older like obviously we're almost all in the same

02:38:50.560 age group i just think no but you said in 2024 in 2024 there's just so many changes there's aside from

02:38:57.600 just having tinder back in the day which was like six years ago i think is when it started now there's

02:39:01.760 multiple other apps there's raya for instance there's all these other things there's so much

02:39:05.600 that's going on and changing in our relationship developments and social development so

02:39:10.320 you can't really have those radical but that changes good and bad or it just changes how

02:39:14.000 society i mean i think we were all brought up in a way of like don't talk to people on the internet

02:39:18.320 you don't know who these people are and now it's like we all meet from the internet we're all here

02:39:23.680 right now from the internet so it's just like we're on the internet there's good and bad that comes with

02:39:28.160 it it's so beautiful yeah yeah yeah but beautiful thing but you wouldn't want like when we all

02:39:35.280 meet on the internet here it's through like a producer with a show that we can look up we know

02:39:39.840 it's relatively safe you know whatever and whereas still that old advice of like don't meet up with

02:39:45.040 people randos you meet on the internet but we would we didn't know this was safe what if we were just

02:39:48.560 getting tricked into coming on a podcast and with this psycho yeah fair enough you know i guess that's

02:39:52.720 true like anything could happen like it's just like really these days that's how a lot of people

02:39:56.880 meet like that's how a lot of jobs happen that's how a lot of like money's made like that's

02:40:00.400 that's the internet has really changed the world that we live in yeah but it doesn't change like

02:40:06.160 the like morality of like polycules or whatever we were just yeah i was just saying like bad and

02:40:10.080 good it's not that those have exactly changed it's just we've all inched into we can go meet

02:40:15.760 somebody on the internet on tinder or we can meet somebody on instagram and dm each other and say

02:40:19.120 we're gonna do a podcast i mean she met her ex-fiancé on what was it yeah but that was a bad choice

02:40:24.880 there you go that's not a that's not a recommendation unfortunately didn't work out

02:40:28.720 i feel like speaking oh go ahead cindy go ahead my neighbor met each other on tinder and they're

02:40:34.080 still together i feel like it's uh it's very specific the person your experiences and if you

02:40:41.120 had a bad experience i can understand why you wouldn't like you know what i mean like if a guy

02:40:46.160 slid in your instagram dm and you had a bad experience you're like oh yeah i'm never gonna find

02:40:51.440 anybody on instagram dm or you know on tiktok or whatever but true just very true

02:40:58.560 i have a few more pre-show notes here uh we have something here from sophie sophie you said

02:41:03.520 that i think modern dating is toxic and i think hookup culture makes sex boring question for you

02:41:11.120 sophie have you engaged in hookup culture i have definitely engaged in hookup culture while i was in

02:41:17.280 college it was a lot sorry um it was a lot easier to engage in hookup culture just being around that all

02:41:23.200 the time and stuff i've noticed for myself um i don't have fun when there's no emotion connected

02:41:29.040 and when there's no relationship being built and when i'm not looking to the future and seeing myself

02:41:35.920 with that person um so i think it's toxic at least for me and my mental health i prefer not to sleep

02:41:42.800 with someone and never talk to them again um yeah yeah when uh have you had a rebound i have had so

02:41:49.440 many rebounds oh my gosh wait but you said you broke just to be clear uh the engagement was broken

02:41:55.120 up like a month ago was it yeah i haven't had a rebound oh no i meant a rebound since the breakup

02:42:00.160 of your engagement okay well so is because you said you have engaged in the hookup culture and you said

02:42:05.680 that makes sex boring is sex now boring for you sex isn't no not if there's a relationship i just think

02:42:11.760 hookup culture is boring to me okay all right we have maddie here maddie you say that your ex cheated

02:42:21.760 on you with a best friend and they still together two years later weird oh that's it okay i thought

02:42:28.480 there was more to the are you still friends with the girl no um it was in high school like you know i

02:42:36.480 dated him for like three and a half years she was always around because that was my best friend and

02:42:41.040 then you know it ended up like they were hooking up before i knew and then we broke broke it off and

02:42:46.000 for the best because i met someone who i really loved and enjoyed and it was good for me after that but

02:42:51.440 okay everything happens for a reason we haven't none of us have talked since sure okay you also say

02:42:57.760 dating these days is a lot different than how it used to be now dating is like hanging out and hooking up

02:43:03.200 sorry so what was it like uh you said dating dating these days as opposed to when precisely because

02:43:11.680 i like being 19 i don't suspect you've been dating all that long no i don't mean in my own personal

02:43:16.640 life i mean like back in the 90s yeah like when it was like you pull up to the front door you shake

02:43:21.840 your mom's hand you like open the car door like old-fashioned and that's nice right yeah i love it

02:43:27.120 yeah wait but guys don't do it that much no but girls don't either the world's changed it's not just

02:43:32.080 but you could there are still guys who would do it and i would i was with one i know do the other

02:43:38.480 women at the table concur with that do you feel like wouldn't that be nice if men were a bit more

02:43:44.160 chivalrous and traditional i just find it respectful like if you can shake my mom's hand i know you're

02:43:49.600 zoned out cindy looking at yourself in the monitor there but would you like guys to be chivalrous and

02:43:56.640 traditional and get you flowers open the car door pay for dinners yeah i'd love that like yeah

02:44:05.120 give me flowers naomi what about yeah i feel like you're gonna say like oh but like you're not

02:44:08.880 traditional so you don't deserve that well done well done naomi no sure all right you can still

02:44:14.960 deserve that's the virtue of being a woman thank you well do you believe that seriously yeah yeah

02:44:20.400 i you know why did you say whoa whoa whoa yeah i don't know about that one michael yeah totally

02:44:24.960 because it's like you know thank you michael that's what chivalry is about right but that's

02:44:28.720 you know now we hate gender roles we pretend that they're really bad but it's good it's good you live

02:44:34.000 up to your real role in your station you're a woman so you open the door for you but michael don't you

02:44:38.400 and matt walsh actually had a great and he kind of got dragged a little bit for this but matt walsh has

02:44:43.680 spoken on this a little bit and i i find that i agree with him uh in order to like in order to

02:44:52.720 have an expectation of traditional treatment from from men women must also conduct themselves in a

02:45:00.640 traditional way that's better but a marriage is is a symbol of the relationship of christ's

02:45:05.440 love for his church and we don't deserve the love of christ but he gives it to us anyway so

02:45:09.920 you know it would be hypocritical and quite backward to say well you know but in the symbol

02:45:14.320 of this great love uh you know we expect more of women than we ourselves give to our god w michael

02:45:20.000 yeah if i may just i'd like i would like to respond to that um oh god it's not you said expecting

02:45:29.520 more of women but i think it's the the it's a much smaller ask for men for example to pay for first

02:45:39.120 dates than it is for us men to ask women to not have nude photographs on the internet i and so

02:45:46.400 sure but i guess yeah i'm agreeing with you that like uh the world works better when like people are

02:45:52.960 more virtuous and holy and but often we're not and so if you view as i do as the kind of traditional

02:45:58.960 christian view that marriage is a symbol of christ's love for his church then like i think you're just

02:46:04.240 giving people way too much credit here that the people are evil and do terrible things all of the

02:46:09.360 time you know and so yeah you're right like yes women shouldn't be posting these things and it's

02:46:13.600 bad and it hurts but that doesn't change that's your opinion but i still agree with everything

02:46:18.080 else you're saying thank you it is my opinion and i'm glad you agree with me i the the man still has

02:46:23.040 his responsibility if you if if you're going to view the sexual relations that way as that's look that's

02:46:28.080 the traditional view it's the christian view these days a lot of people don't subscribe to those

02:46:31.920 things but i think they should and you should too brian yeah brian

02:46:39.600 i guess my issue my issue is again just this this sort of unilateral one directional expectation of

02:46:48.080 adherence to traditional gender roles no there is an expectation that women would behave in a good way

02:46:53.840 too just as there's an expectation that the church behaves in a good way but sure but it's not a deal

02:46:58.240 breaker i guess is what i'm saying that the the man still has an obligation to act like a man even

02:47:02.080 if the woman is making some mistakes i agree but not act like a man cannot like cook and clean and

02:47:09.120 take care of children can are you asking me or him him being an only fans girl does not preclude you

02:47:16.800 from being able to engage in the labor of cooking and cleaning no it's not good for the kids but

02:47:22.720 right uh it could it could for example have an impact uh i mean there's a potential impact on

02:47:28.640 the children with uh you know bullying for example but them kids and why did the dude would also not

02:47:36.320 be great but why would why would the kids you're saying that the kid her kids would like her kids would

02:47:42.320 get bullied later later on other kids are the most fucking brutal okay but by that point by the time

02:47:49.360 you're a preteen then you can have a conversation with your kid about this is why i did what i did

02:47:53.760 you're gonna hear stuff about it this is how you go by responding to it no look there's life goes on

02:47:58.240 you can you know there's redemption and repentance and everything but it's gonna be a little rough

02:48:04.320 it's still a bad thing you know i understand i don't know maybe i'm out of left field on this one

02:48:09.120 i would prefer if my future wife didn't have photos and videos of her having sexual intercourse with

02:48:18.160 other men i don't on the internet that's cool that's cool that's i don't know if i'm i don't

02:48:21.760 know if that's toxic i don't know if that's toxic i just prefer it's not toxic that's i just prefer

02:48:29.280 bobby farina donated two hundred dollars michael what does the road to redemption look like for

02:48:35.280 these women who are going from being paid for to being a 35 year old mother of two and married to a

02:48:41.280 high value male high value man a high value man hvm h not a trick not a trick what do you do well

02:48:49.360 look a gal wrote into me one time and said michael i'm listening to your show and i do only fans and

02:48:55.520 i just found out that a member of my family an uncle or something subscribed to my only fans and

02:49:00.640 i don't know what to do about it and should i write in whatever and i said okay first thing you do

02:49:04.720 stop doing only fans that would be the very first thing i would recommend doing second thing i don't

02:49:09.440 know i don't know if you want to rat your uncle out i i don't know if it's a if it's like a fake

02:49:13.360 name or something maybe it's another guy with the guy i don't know but the very first thing that i

02:49:17.040 would recommend doing is is stop that you know it's like uh if you're if you're going down the road

02:49:22.240 and you're going down the wrong road then the very first thing you got to do is stop walking and

02:49:26.240 like turn around and go in a different direction and it's it's easier why is he uh why is he like

02:49:31.360 subscribed though like that why is it oh that guy because he's a total like degenerate i guess yeah yeah

02:49:36.160 but that's on him yeah it's on right yeah the only thing that's on the uncle right the only thing

02:49:40.800 she can control but is this is this bad thing that she's doing well you're not you're not recognizing

02:49:46.320 the the real issue she could also do that but it doesn't solve her uncle is having this fantasy

02:49:51.840 about someone that someone related to it that's the real problem yeah that's the problem so i feel

02:49:56.800 like but is that really like it doesn't matter a problem that's like a consequent problem and it

02:50:00.960 could be if she does only fans it's just like at the end of the day even if she doesn't have only

02:50:04.160 fans he's still going to the question to the question that was asked the question is how do

02:50:08.640 you go from you know you're doing only fans to marrying the 35 year old millionaire with and

02:50:13.040 getting kids and everything and the blunt answer is the the very first thing you do is stop the

02:50:18.800 first thing you do actually is go to church as much as you want to and like once a month is a good

02:50:22.240 start and then that kind of starts to change your mind and then at a certain point the next thing you

02:50:27.200 do is you stop doing only fans and you just do anything else and i don't know what it is i believe in

02:50:32.080 god even though i partake yeah of course many such cases many so and but but it's very different even

02:50:37.840 when one chains one changes one's mind it's a little more difficult to change behavior so the

02:50:41.920 very first thing you got to do is just stop doing the thing that seems to be causing the problem and

02:50:46.480 we have some disagreement or but some agreement about whether or not this is like problematic

02:50:51.200 behavior that is causing you to not quite get to the 35 year old millionaire with two kids stage

02:50:55.600 and so you do that and then you take the next step in front of you so the next step might be some

02:51:00.400 other job the next step might be meeting guys at places where you find better guys what if we can

02:51:04.880 have only fans and then we can still meet the person we're supposed to end up with and still

02:51:08.720 end up with the two kids and still end up with the house and the life and still have had this time in

02:51:12.800 our 20s right i think that's what makes people mad it's like why do we have to have our cake and eat

02:51:16.880 it too our job yeah because you're having people get mad because you can't like the expression you just

02:51:22.080 used no but like the expression you just used why can't i have my cake and eat it too describes an

02:51:26.800 impossibility because if you if you eat your cake you can't still have your cake so you might have

02:51:32.080 unwittingly used that phrase but what you're describing is something that's mutually contradictory

02:51:35.920 because the guy who look maybe you can find something i'm saying how i worded it is they're

02:51:40.080 pissed that we can but okay but with the phrase it's like it's literally impossible to do that you

02:51:45.840 can't okay regardless of the phrase regardless of the phrase what if it went down exactly how i said

02:51:52.480 we still had our 20s we still had this time to do what we're doing right now and we still end up with

02:51:56.240 the person we're supposed to married kids whatever i'm not saying it's not possible

02:52:00.960 it's very possible it but it seems pretty unlikely and i think we would we would all agree with that

02:52:05.360 and look none of us agree with that except you agree with that none of us i don't know a lot

02:52:09.440 a lot of you have said ah what i'm doing it's not really good and it's there's all these bad problems

02:52:15.440 does anyone here feel that what they're doing right now is derailing them from being from the

02:52:18.800 with the person they're supposed to be with in the end and the life that they're supposed to end up

02:52:21.680 with no no i'm not saying in the end i'm not saying in the end i'm saying right now i think

02:52:26.320 at least some of you but none of us if we're not looking for a long-term relationship right now how

02:52:30.160 does that even make sense we don't want that we're not looking for that all of us are literally saying

02:52:34.080 the same thing you're not looking for it though one of you just said that you know look it takes a

02:52:38.800 while to have a relationship and maybe it might take a couple years of dating and then you get

02:52:42.240 engaged and so these things don't happen overnight and it reminds me of people who say hey man why

02:52:46.400 can't i just have like a deathbed confession you know i live it up man i go to vegas i do

02:52:50.560 all sorts of crazy stuff and on my deathbed which i may or may not get i i'll just convert and then

02:52:54.800 i go to heaven that'll be really great right and look maybe maybe but really what happens is people

02:52:59.040 tend to just keep going down the roads that they're on and they the habits that they cultivate become

02:53:03.440 the habits that define their lives whether it's virtue or vice and i i just think if you believe

02:53:08.320 you're going to keep doing this and then one day at 34 and a half you're going to wake up

02:53:11.920 and say you know what i'm going to do something totally different now and get mr right who's not

02:53:15.840 addicted to porn and get two kids and millions of dollars i just think that's very very unlikely

02:53:20.000 if you believe in porn addiction i think it's more likely you don't believe in porn addiction we

02:53:24.720 talked about this earlier i said i don't believe in porn addiction nicolette nicolette i think it's

02:53:30.400 more likely that all of us are going to find like some hot rich guy to marry and take care of us

02:53:35.120 than to like be single for the rest of our lives

02:53:37.520 because we've set those standards for ourselves so we're not going to accept like anything

02:53:46.320 is that funny i mean like look at the panel like we're not gonna die alone look at this we're hot

02:53:58.400 i think it's the longest audio clip i know it's so amazing i think in reference to what you kind

02:54:05.120 of pointed out i don't know who it was it was one of you two that said like finding a relationship

02:54:09.200 and developing a real one takes a year i completely agree oh i did and i agree i completely agree and i

02:54:14.400 think it shines fault onto your own statement of just oh like you have to leave it immediately and

02:54:19.040 stop so that you can go find the mr right yeah how do you start you don't be friends you can become

02:54:24.720 friends you can so i have a question for you light relationship that develops into not to cut you

02:54:29.200 and that's how it kind of i believe in you nicolette no look it's gonna happen i think you you could all

02:54:34.960 do it what i'm just saying is it seems likely to me to sports donated 200 what you feel has nothing

02:54:42.880 to do with how a man you will want is going to feel about you and your past choice and the new younger

02:54:48.400 hot girls without a history of being naked online will win grid one motorsports thank you very much

02:54:54.080 appreciate it michael you were bound to say something it yeah yeah look i i mean grid one

02:54:59.280 motorsports makes a fair enough point but the other thing is you know people change and you know your

02:55:03.360 past doesn't necessarily have to define you but in order for that to happen it does have to be your

02:55:07.360 past and so i i think that one would be fooling oneself if uh if you were to say that the kind of guy that

02:55:16.160 i could start dating while do while doing anything pornographic is just as good and just as uh you know

02:55:24.640 normal and conducive to my happiness as a guy that i would meet not doing pornography i i just think

02:55:29.440 that the quality is you know do you guys that's your opinion i have it is my opinion that's true

02:55:36.240 what does it matter you've done pornography whether you're doing it now or in the past you've done

02:55:40.480 pornography so like i don't know because because people change and we respect that people change but

02:55:44.960 i do think it's sort of like if you're if you're trying to find a boyfriend while doing pornography

02:55:50.000 the odds are good but the goods are odd you're gonna you're gonna end up with a kind of a weirdo

02:55:54.080 guy and and you don't deserve you should have better guys you should have guys who will give

02:55:58.400 you a good life yeah so none of us you're gonna end up with a weirdo guy like that's not true if you

02:56:05.760 i think the odds of you ending up with like a weirdo not not the kind of guy you'd actually want

02:56:10.320 to be married to if you start dating him and marry him while you're doing pornography i disagree

02:56:14.560 pretty high i think the man that i if i started dating someone while i'm doing what i'm doing

02:56:18.880 then they actually accept me for me and all of me and my choices wait they accept they do accept

02:56:23.120 certain things that you that maybe you don't want them to accept 10 years down the line i have a

02:56:26.720 question for you you you said you were you've been romantically involved with uh a couple nfl players

02:56:32.480 and a couple nba players like five total yeah the some of them are like really casual but not like

02:56:39.040 relationship why so these men who i assume are in exceptional physical shape are very high status

02:56:45.680 given the nature of their profession i assume are well off financially obviously not all nfl players

02:56:52.160 are compensated the same but um why didn't it work with any of them because i didn't want to take

02:57:00.320 anything seriously you didn't you're telling me you didn't want to pursue a long-term romantic

02:57:04.320 relationship with like a less than i assume these men are in terms of you know if we're looking at

02:57:10.160 their status or their wealth or what you know top one percent men sure not good enough for you that's

02:57:18.320 i never said that well i mean what i just said somewhere casual one relationship was like a year

02:57:24.080 relationship and we just didn't see eye to eye and there were third party situations that

02:57:27.520 affected that relationship so we mutually decided we're like probably not best and let it be known

02:57:35.840 that like nfl and nba players are like literally the scum on the bar yeah let's let that be known

02:57:42.240 they're not like top one percent they're not the top mlb is a different story but major league baseball

02:57:48.320 where's the nhl guys what do you think about table i would love to meet a good hockey guy like you

02:57:56.560 where are the hockey guys at do you know any i can talk to me after the show but none of them

02:58:02.000 no no like rugby any rugby players or rugby like i said like i was only around i was a round athlete

02:58:09.680 so that was just like who i was around have you considered a badminton i think you should try pro pro

02:58:15.200 badminton that's really why can i not pronounce that some of those guys hundreds of dollars a year

02:58:21.200 huge okay so wait will you guys at least acknowledge that by virtue of doing the kind

02:58:28.160 of work you do it it doesn't it doesn't you're not going to be changed how do i properly word this

02:58:36.800 i don't think it's going to be the case that you'll never find anybody i don't think that's

02:58:40.000 what we're arguing but will you at least acknowledge that it is going to close the door for a substantial

02:58:46.640 portion of men that you have that we don't want either really yeah really well you you don't

02:58:53.280 want them because they don't want you but i suspect no if you look at if you were to look at these men's

02:58:57.920 character all i'm sure you could find them physically attractive they could they could meet all your

02:59:03.280 metrics except that they wouldn't want to date you based on uh your past profession are you saying

02:59:10.480 past profession or if they're currently doing it either both does anyone really want to be with

02:59:15.360 someone who doesn't want them though like that's what i said from the beginning it's different

02:59:19.120 well they would they would guys that don't want to date a sex worker obviously i'm not going to be

02:59:23.360 like okay i want you but you at least acknowledge that it does close the door to i don't i can't

02:59:29.680 attribute to what percentage of men it would be but i think a fair fairly decent percent percentage of

02:59:36.960 men simply by virtue of the work you've done or did may not want to date you yes yeah but you

02:59:44.400 worded that differently last time you're saying men that have all the characteristics that i would want

02:59:51.280 it's because they don't want me no i don't want them because they because you don't want them because

02:59:55.760 they don't want to date a sex worker and they're not okay with that that's already like a the morals

03:00:00.400 don't align as well that's why therefore why even have that interest into you do you really think

03:00:05.600 it's a a number one prerequisite for your future husband and the father of your children that they

03:00:10.800 have to be really into porn you don't know not that they really have to be important but they

03:00:14.160 have to accept the fact that i did porn and if i'm still but those are different things accepting

03:00:18.480 the fact that you did something in your past that perhaps you're not super proud of but you know

03:00:22.480 whatever versus who said but i'm proud of who said that right but you know if you're like really into

03:00:31.200 it and maybe still doing it then that's going to attract the kind of guy who's just really into porn

03:00:35.440 and i don't i don't think that that is the top criterion you say i want my future husband the

03:00:39.840 father of my children to be tall dark handsome rich and super into porn you don't you really think

03:00:46.160 that they don't have to be you're talking super extreme too nobody said for more like super into

03:00:51.040 porn is a metaphysical quality i love for more like personality i can settle for a medium ugly guy

03:00:56.400 and his personality is like a freaking 2000 so it's like at the end of the day it's not even about

03:01:01.920 like what he has it's if i get along with him sure say stocky pale mid not that rich but he has to be

03:01:08.800 super into porn but you're taking things to a super extreme super into he doesn't have to be super into

03:01:13.440 porn he just has to be accepting of the fact that i i think if one dates certainly if one marries

03:01:19.840 someone whose profession is to be a porn actress that guy is really into porn that guy is the most into

03:01:26.560 porn you can possibly be so what do you what do you characterize what do you care really into you

03:01:31.440 what do you characterize your work what you do what do you do for a word disapproves what's like

03:01:35.760 your title like what do you do for work i mostly own the libs with facts and logic and i occasionally

03:01:40.160 sell cigars okay so your wife was like oh my god i'm so into cigars he destroys she's like that's so

03:01:45.680 fucking hot like i want to marry him because he's so into cigars facts and logic the number of times

03:01:50.320 i've heard this from women i say girls stop i'm married go away you can have a cigar but you can't have

03:01:54.960 me that's what i have to say yeah yeah can we bring johnny since do you see like no my wife look

03:02:01.760 my wife certainly i have a especially that i have a public profession she's got to be like on board

03:02:07.200 with my job and even if i even if i were you agree so you're saying the same thing that she's saying

03:02:12.880 right now you just agreed with me on board with your job just like who she's going to be it is to be

03:02:17.440 on board with her job she doesn't have to be super into cigars that was my point but she has to be

03:02:21.760 on board with what you support you in your career was she prior right was she prior interested in

03:02:28.400 you if i had all this public figure and all these other things i've known you saw that you saw that

03:02:35.360 that was pretty good you know so i met her when i was 10 so we we kind of had that going but it is

03:02:40.560 legitimately a prerequisite of anyone who would marry me right that they have to therefore it was a

03:02:45.680 prerequisite just as it would have is that they would accept us for that same reason that they would have

03:02:49.920 to be super into poor at the end yes yeah your wife isn't a politician herself or she's not

03:02:56.320 no but she's into politics in as much as a lot of our lives involve politics going to public events

03:03:01.360 traveling around does that mean she's at least she would be she means she's got to be like pretty

03:03:05.040 into it yeah she was okay with the involvement therefore our partners or future partners would

03:03:10.240 be interested in in our work our work and having had and understand our work or having accepted

03:03:16.720 that that was our past wait but how many men whoa how many you you want your future partners to respect

03:03:23.680 your past work just as you know that's a question that's a question sorry sorry if i'm being a bit

03:03:29.200 huh respect in the sense that they don't shame you for respect that they're not they shouldn't

03:03:32.960 that's a big ask to be like that is not the guy from the people that are okay with it stop stop

03:03:39.200 stop that is a really big ask notice for most men to be like babe i respect the fact that there are

03:03:45.760 videos of you having you know having sexual intercourse with men who are not me on the internet i'm sorry

03:03:54.480 okay the past is in the past like why that's cuck territory i don't want you anyway if you're a judgmental guy

03:04:00.320 judgmental not equivalent that is judgmental it is judging and that's a sin

03:04:08.880 i don't think it is not really not really no it is you you shouldn't judge people you shouldn't be

03:04:14.240 jealous you shouldn't judge people well it's not yeah it's not exactly but it's interesting

03:04:22.160 it's it's interesting that you say that all men are the super judgmental when it comes to this

03:04:26.720 specific thing but we all know that women are far more sexually selective than men and you judge men

03:04:31.840 on a whole slew of criteria when it comes to who you're going to sleep with have long-term relationships

03:04:38.400 with be part one motorsports donated two hundred dollars bricks and time for the delusion calculator

03:04:45.040 dot no masculine man wants a peace star as a wife the simps that will marry a 304 will eventually bore

03:04:52.160 them the only winner will be the divorce lawyers and pool boys let me ask you guys thank you grid one

03:04:57.440 for that let me ask you guys a question like try to take yourself out of you know this do you think

03:05:04.880 when if you were a man when it comes to optimizing your potential uh choices when it comes to a

03:05:10.720 partner do you think it's a sub devon jackson donated two hundred dollars it's not in the past if i can

03:05:19.280 pull it up today that's a very good point devon jackson do you think that it's a sub optimal

03:05:25.920 dating choice to date a woman who does or did pornography like if he had the choice of dating a

03:05:33.840 woman who didn't have nude photographs and videos on the internet having videos and photographs of

03:05:39.600 her having sexual and of course with one two three other men that's a choice and a preference but is

03:05:46.000 it would you acknowledge that it's sub optimal it on in some way no because she probably goes better ahead

03:05:52.960 oh my is there is there perhaps more to life than that okay i can i can see my my ex was not okay with

03:05:58.560 me doing only fans like when i started it was not it was not okay like we did end up filming content

03:06:03.680 together but he was not cool like he was not cool with me doing that you were dating before you

03:06:08.320 started doing it yeah we yeah why would you start then only fans that money we were breaking up and

03:06:15.680 i was moving out okay well i was also dating someone while before doing only fans and while doing only

03:06:21.600 fans and all of their friends that was so cool i do want to try to switch gears a little bit because i

03:06:27.520 think we've lingered on the porn bad for for a little too too long don't don't get me wrong it's

03:06:35.600 always interesting to talk about but um davon jackson by the way good to see you back in the

03:06:40.160 chat man it's been a while welcome welcome thank you for your patronage and grid we might be able

03:06:44.240 to pull up the calculator a little bit later maddie you said that you support feminism but not over the

03:06:50.400 top so what aspects of feminism do you support i support women i support that women should have

03:06:59.440 the same rights as men i support that women should get paid the same amount as men i support women

03:07:05.840 that's what so the okay so you same rights as men and then should be paid the same as men just treat

03:07:10.560 it as equal like do you think they're not yeah in some ways yeah i think men are paid more in

03:07:16.080 certain jobs what about in only fans uh women are definitely paid more so do you think we should

03:07:21.200 take money from women like i have some guy only i know friends i have guys who are friends who do

03:07:28.000 only fans and they still make money like that's not but i think like like mainly women run this app

03:07:34.240 not to say that like i just don't think there's as many men on the app as there is women and that's

03:07:39.360 why women make more but like okay well do you think do you think for example and this came up in the

03:07:43.920 debate do you think that uh in women's sports uh women female athletes should be paid the same as

03:07:51.680 male athletes like for example yeah in tennis or in women's soccer or in uh do you think that w the

03:07:58.160 w nba do you think the w uh women in that w nba should be paid the same as you know they're playing

03:08:04.480 the same game right as in the nba i mean coming from someone who played college in soccer and could

03:08:10.080 have could have ended up going pro idea i totally think women and men should get paid the same

03:08:15.200 they're doing the same things they're trading the same amount like but the leagues are making vastly

03:08:19.680 different amounts of revenue and that's why women don't make the same i understand it but i don't

03:08:25.440 agree with it erroneous erroneous but didn't you just say that well when it came to only fans like

03:08:33.040 do you think for example all the women on only fans should start subsidizing male content creators

03:08:38.320 what do you mean by that well men don't make the same amount of money on only fans there's less

03:08:45.200 opportunity for men on only fans should the women collectively have to you know uh relinquish some

03:08:50.800 of their earnings in order to bolster men in the only fans world or what about in the modeling world

03:08:57.040 for example i think if there was as many men on the app men would be making just as much money

03:09:01.600 but i think there's not the same demand there's not the equivalent demand i'm not a feminist i like

03:09:08.240 i think like i just want to say i'm sorry my girl all right but like i that's my business

03:09:13.360 partner right there wait i feel like men okay it's the the society is like built this way where like

03:09:22.400 men is able to be more dominant in like i mean in relationships and money and government if we think

03:09:30.160 about like i just think like i don't know like i just i just think that it's built this way so

03:09:38.400 what wait a lot of wisdom in that question for maddie here um so you you think the wnba the women in

03:09:46.720 the wnba should be paid the same as the men in the nba is that correct okay look i'm not gonna speak on

03:09:52.320 i'm not gonna i'm not gonna dive too deep i'm not gonna dive too deep because i'm pushing back a little

03:09:56.480 bit on your position don't walk back your position i hear you but i'm not gonna dive too deep into

03:10:02.400 something that like i said i support women but i'm not over the top about it but you said okay but

03:10:08.080 you said you support equal pay and i'm asking in this specific realm of human endeavor do you think

03:10:13.440 that in women's soccer they should be the pay the same women's tennis yes i do and also in the nba

03:10:20.640 do you think they're too i don't know how much people in the nba make on different sides but i do

03:10:26.160 i do think that they should be paid the same yes okay but there are like three people can you can you

03:10:31.200 i'd like you to name oh my gosh three three male nba players no i'm not naming anyone i don't know

03:10:38.400 okay can you name i'm not i just knew soccer okay well the the point i'm trying to make is i mean

03:10:42.720 the the women in the wnba would be um would be more adequately compensated if for example women

03:10:52.080 actually watched basketball but they don't you're saying well you're saying that they should be

03:11:02.240 equally compensated but it doesn't sound like you're a big like female sports fan like you don't

03:11:06.960 buy jerseys or and that's the case for not just you but for a lot of other women yeah could i

03:11:12.560 add i think what she's trying to say yeah yeah but what she's trying to say is that their

03:11:17.760 compensation should be equivalent but in reality they are compensated more men are in male sports

03:11:24.320 because they do bring in a lot more views they bring in a lot more of that traction between

03:11:29.600 those communities with the nfl nhl etc so for that reason it's understandable that they make more

03:11:34.640 income regardless i think what she's trying to say is just she wishes that their compensation was

03:11:38.480 equivalent obviously because of why should it because it's the same sport and because of the

03:11:44.080 same mechanics that they work out and they're always extra isn't it the case though like for

03:11:48.240 example in women's tennis that they play i'm not familiar with tennis terminology but i do think they

03:11:54.480 play less game michael do you know do you know this well i'm an avid viewer of the wnba and so

03:12:02.000 i think they play some number of games every year they have they dribble a little well no women's

03:12:07.840 oh tennis oh yeah that one too they play like two less what is it the i forgot the terminology uh

03:12:15.040 any tennis matches match is that it no it's sets there's less sets or something and i'm confused

03:12:23.280 like what point you're trying to get yeah i am too like seriously like i don't understand well i'm

03:12:27.840 because you mentioned that you you you consider yourself a feminist and you said that you want

03:12:33.200 equal rights for women i didn't say i said i can i say i support women yeah okay i say i said i didn't

03:12:39.120 and i said that in the know and i made that very clear because i'm not one to sit here and argument

03:12:42.800 argue over or debate over a topic that i don't know so much about well we'll switch we'll switch gears

03:12:48.160 away from the wage gap yeah what what rights do men have that women don't can we make this a like

03:12:54.880 group thing we can make it a group thing if they if they can if they feel the same way as as you do

03:13:02.080 then sure we can make it a group then anyone who feels the same way as me feel free to speak on it

03:13:05.840 yeah how are we feeling what's the question well okay so i don't know are you are you a feminist i am

03:13:11.360 okay so do you believe that uh do women have equal rights um grid one motorsports donated two

03:13:19.520 hundred dollars the owner pays him 1.3 million a day last year he loves feminism and thanks you for

03:13:27.440 selling yourself feminism has failed you embrace the patriarchy which values and protects women

03:13:34.480 i think we've come a long way from um a couple decades ago yeah however i think there are some

03:13:40.400 areas that we need to improve on i see your point between the wnba and the nba there's obviously

03:13:46.160 different well we can move off we we can definitely move off of the sporting thing but uh you said

03:13:51.920 there's some areas that we can improve on or where it's not yet quite equal and so what what are those

03:14:00.080 um equal pay and access to our bodies to make choices about our bodies okay that men should have

03:14:06.320 no input in at all which choice is like what you dress in or you know like pro choice

03:14:11.120 so is your position no uterus no opinion it's not no uterus well you said men should have no say so

03:14:20.400 i think she meant in making laws on it yeah on making laws about it um

03:14:27.520 specifically pro-choice pro-life um i think women should always have the choice because

03:14:33.760 i mean it's their body they're the ones that are giving birth to these children and i understand

03:14:41.520 like there's different situations there's different situations that i can

03:14:46.560 see different sides on i see the sides of pro-life um because you just said they're children huh you

03:14:52.800 just said because sometimes when people argue for abortion they say it's just a zygote or it's a

03:14:57.360 little clump of cells or whatever but you admitted the truth which is their children well i'm not

03:15:03.040 i don't know if when they bear them it becomes a child you just put it like that i don't know if

03:15:06.640 i'd put it like that i'm not as media trained as you so i'm not really watching my it's better

03:15:10.800 it's better not to be media trained in this regard because you're saying what you really

03:15:13.760 believe and you're totally right it's not that i believe that they're children when they're in the

03:15:17.520 womb um you i think it gets a little you at least thought it was line when they become a child i

03:15:23.760 think it's a little blurry right now and you know i'm open to learning more science behind it and

03:15:29.200 stuff like that but i do think that women should always have the right to choose even after they

03:15:34.960 become children at whatever point that is whether or not they want to carry their pregnancy and so but

03:15:42.320 so you just said look it kind of depends on when they actually become children i'm not sure exactly

03:15:46.240 when the choice depends i'm not you're saying so so so then all this like the beginning and the

03:15:51.040 end the none of that matters because you're saying that even when the babies are children

03:15:55.600 by my own admission the women still should have the right to kill them no that's not what i'm saying

03:15:59.520 i'm saying i understand points on both sides but i side with women that they should have the right to

03:16:03.680 decide whether or not they want to carry their pregnancy to term and have their child yeah okay

03:16:09.200 well look at least you're honest about it which a lot of people try to muddy up the issue but

03:16:13.760 you haven't muddied it up too much yeah no you haven't really i don't feel like i've muddied it up at

03:16:17.760 all well you did a little bit when you when you changed from the child to a pregnancy but then you

03:16:23.040 you came back to it again when you said and give birth to the child so i think you're pretty honest

03:16:27.600 about it truth bomb donated two hundred dollars most women athletes actual make a larger percent of

03:16:34.240 total revenue than the male athletes do most of the feminists arguments are actual garbage in what

03:16:40.880 case do women went where because i if if so i'm because they're subsidized like the wnba is

03:16:46.960 subsidized by the nba okay i don't know enough about the wnba i don't know all that because

03:16:50.960 the women's sports make no money so they all get subsidized by the men's sports and i think with the

03:16:56.160 women's national soccer team michael's father donated two hundred dollars michael's father smoky mikey's

03:17:02.080 doing great so far thank you dad okay michael's father's in the chat there you go can we go back

03:17:09.360 to the comment before that the comment before that was interesting most women that which one the most

03:17:13.840 women athletes actually no no no no the one before that the only fans owner one oh that he pays himself

03:17:22.000 1.3 million dollars a day i i actually appreciate only fans as a platform before that a lot of girls just

03:17:29.120 sold things on snapchat so i think only fans as a platform has created a very safe way to do sex

03:17:37.520 why i don't interrupt you well you did a couple times actually okay sorry um well i was also just

03:17:43.360 trying to move away we've we've stuck on the oh i was just saying i appreciate the comment because

03:17:48.720 yeah you were trying to make a negative thing i look at it as a positive thing what was i trying to

03:17:51.920 make negative no no that that person oh the the tts i see okay i just want to acknowledge their

03:17:56.800 comment they paid good money they deserve to be acknowledged yeah grid one motorsports she's

03:18:02.320 right that thank you man appreciate it um he did say feminism has failed you embrace the patriarchy

03:18:09.120 so thank you for bringing the software and went through the coding it needs a little updating but um

03:18:15.760 you know i appreciate the owner of only fans so he should be paid a lot he owns my free cams too

03:18:20.240 just so you know they use a regular oh my god who the hell cares appreciate it um and i forgot who

03:18:30.480 asked something about the female athletes i was going to make the point someone kind of challenged

03:18:34.160 the one from truth bomb there was there was something about the uh u.s women's national soccer team

03:18:40.160 the if you actually broke down how they negotiated their contract um it's been a while since i saw the

03:18:45.840 the the there's people made videos on this and it was in there they did a lawsuit um they negotiated

03:18:52.720 a very different package which i forgot it was their payment was based on either the games played

03:18:57.920 regardless of if they won and i think the men negotiated they only got paid either by games played or if

03:19:04.640 they were i don't recall all the details there yeah there were some differences and like if you actually

03:19:09.840 broke it down in some ways that women actually ended up they were paid more than the men but

03:19:14.560 uh we do have a chat here from kendall weller hey thank you man appreciate it aliens are real

03:19:19.680 michael aliens are just demons for libs oh so it's they're not real there's no evidence that aliens

03:19:26.640 exist at all but the people want it to be real because they want some being outside of human beings

03:19:33.280 to be smart and you know i believe in aliens they don't necessarily have to be like super smart and

03:19:38.480 like wait michael i have a question when it comes to the aliens thing welcome to the whatever

03:19:44.480 alien talk podcast do you when you say you don't think that there's aliens do you think that there

03:19:50.000 hasn't been any actual contacts that have come here but you think in this this you know the scale of

03:19:55.920 the universe is huge do you think it's possible somewhere out there that there's life no like

03:20:02.720 i'm not saying it's completely impossible but the odds of it are basically like on some like

03:20:06.640 you know there's billions billions of stars and the planet no there's no aliens no it's all fake

03:20:13.520 no other life what about life well i guess that's the same thing yeah no probably not like the because

03:20:19.040 people always say this they say but the universe is really really big and so the probability means

03:20:24.080 that there's life somewhere else in the universe but there's not the way that the you in order to

03:20:29.600 ascertain the probability you'd have to know anything about how life begins so i think i have a pretty

03:20:34.320 good idea of how life begins you know with like god lifting clay and creating man and breathing

03:20:38.880 into him and everything but the scientists they say well that's not a sufficient answer so i say

03:20:42.720 okay scientists what's your scientific answer of how life begins and they say uh we'll get back to

03:20:48.400 you they have absolutely no idea so you know when they come up with some idea of how scientifically

03:20:53.280 life begins then you could ascertain the probability but until then it's all totally fake for you

03:20:58.800 if i can relate this back to dating would anyone here date an alien hell yeah i would if he had a big

03:21:06.640 cock what he has a good personality and he has a 12 inch dick we could well oh she said oh it's an alien

03:21:17.360 guys i could have anything yeah that was wild i think that's a really beautiful thing you said

03:21:25.920 but like if you're not religious like what yeah no it's that's why right people believe in aliens

03:21:31.760 now is because they're not religious but they have all these intuitions that there are like

03:21:35.360 spiritual beings who are intelligent who visit us every now and again and it's just a way for

03:21:39.840 atheists to try to understand angels and demons interesting okay and you said you used to be an atheist

03:21:45.760 correct yeah for how long 10 years yeah long time yeah long time interesting what did alien would

03:21:52.320 you get with an alien female only a female alien yeah it's like the avatar i think of avatar i guess

03:22:01.840 oh i fuck with avatars i love avatars okay uh mia would you if it's an avatar yeah okay

03:22:08.960 fire you're into blue you don't see color okay well i wouldn't totally colorblind i'm not

03:22:17.760 maddie i'm not sorry i like my boyfriend my human boyfriend okay uh let's see we were talking about

03:22:26.960 feminism if i recall something about equal it was it you we were talking i feel like we're talking

03:22:33.600 humans equal equal rights we're talking about spiritual beings i said no that was a while

03:22:38.480 no it was maddie i think we were talking maddie and then sophie kind of weighed in a little bit

03:22:41.440 i support women i stand by women that's about it that's about all okay i see and i said that in

03:22:48.880 the comment you said i'm not i said i'm not an over the top feminist i don't know everything about

03:22:52.720 it but i support not over the top feminism is terrible it makes women miserable and so to your

03:22:57.680 point you're saying and you kind of intuit that so you're saying yeah i'm not a feminist i just support

03:23:02.000 women like i'm pro woman and that's a great answer literally yeah exactly it's a great answer

03:23:06.320 what do you guys think of men uh men are great in what way in general they're great i love my men

03:23:14.800 friends and my family okay i think that they're there's some good ones but there's some some good

03:23:23.200 ones yeah i'm not even necessarily speaking romantically here oh and yeah i'm saying in general

03:23:28.640 okay there's some good ones not most i just haven't had the best experience with men so

03:23:33.520 maybe i'm not the person you can ask well is that perhaps uh what's the word because of my job

03:23:41.600 informed by your uh your job yeah um i had a bad experience with men as a child way before i

03:23:47.920 ever knew what only fans was okay i see what you're saying there cindy oh we got truth bomb

03:23:52.960 bomb donated two hundred dollars oh and the earth is flat wow christ is king christ is

03:23:59.840 king at least one of those things i don't know about both those things but okay all right cindy

03:24:06.960 christ is king too cindy okay uh cindy your thoughts on do you like men what do you think what are your

03:24:13.840 thoughts on men i like men when they treat me well anybody nicolette yeah i love men i feel like we need

03:24:20.800 men they're hot and yeah they're not all hot is michael knowles hot i'm sorry it took a long time

03:24:28.720 for her to answer i understand which is fine it's okay i'm not offended i'm not offended whoa that's

03:24:35.440 devastating wow why you got nicolette why you gotta what she's keeping me he's married yeah no that's

03:24:42.720 this is telling me i love married men and they love me too you just don't like me so it's not

03:24:47.840 because i'm married it's devastating oh my god i'm sorry i i thought she was actually gonna i was

03:24:54.000 setting her up for a layup to be like i needed to be taken down michael's a baby and i did not go

03:24:58.720 she wasn't feeling it mia and that's fine what about you uh what was the question what do you think

03:25:04.480 of men oh i love men actually nicolette made me think of something interesting she said she needs

03:25:10.640 men going around the table do you need men i think i need men yeah definitely i did okay i think

03:25:20.640 yeah i do think men and women were created for each other so i do think we need them

03:25:26.560 um i've watched enough red pill podcasts where like the question kind of just like

03:25:30.560 sends a shock down my spine but like do we need men like yeah we need men

03:25:35.120 but like if there is why do you watch red pill podcasts well i'm on a red pill

03:25:40.720 well okay so like but what do you watch you're on it but what do you watch is it a red because i like

03:25:45.600 to be prepared and be informed and not just come on and be like what's gonna happen you know because

03:25:51.200 i can come back with questions right i i was in corporate america i prepared before all my meetings

03:25:56.480 like i know what to do i researched you you're from new york i'm from new york wow wow we're in new

03:26:01.040 new york long island long island we're in long island i mean i'm not trying to dox myself it all

03:26:07.040 makes you still live there no no okay i live in arizona do we need men do we need men do you need

03:26:13.760 men no do we need men i think they play a part in society play play a part what if you had to attribute

03:26:22.240 a percentage to play a part what no what percentage would you not the percentage into what you know like

03:26:30.640 infrastructure you know the grid you know critical infrastructure telecommunications waste

03:26:39.360 management 50 50 percent electricity okay 50 like opening jars big that's a big one that's super

03:26:47.840 helpful very helpful yeah if there was a world full of women like just women by themselves like we would

03:26:53.200 need something to balance it out there's a world for adjustment we would need women to balance it out

03:26:56.160 like it you know so true i need like my security i'm not sure if your friend agrees she doesn't have

03:27:00.960 to she has her own opinions that's totally fine yeah but so if you had to if you had to attribute

03:27:07.680 like how much do we you know need men they're cool to have around i mean like okay let's say like your

03:27:17.520 dad and your brother i love my dad and my brother you need them around like they're needed right you would

03:27:23.760 say they're needed because they're my family yeah okay i've lived my life for

03:27:30.240 with like months without speaking to a single man besides family and i felt no lack of anything in

03:27:36.160 life that is kind of dark and depressing but okay i don't know there are times when i don't talk to

03:27:42.240 women outside of my maybe i talked to like you were probably depressed but when i took no because i talked

03:27:47.200 i got my wife you know and i talk and then if i hang out like i don't want to go hang out with women

03:27:51.360 so i go to a cigar bar in part i love cigars but in part because it's kind of like woman repellent

03:27:56.400 it's not i love women i love women so much but what do i i don't know if i go out and i'm i gain

03:28:01.680 nothing from going so your wife like sends you off with those just to make sure you're not around

03:28:06.640 she actually would probably prefer i didn't go to the cigar bar because i reek when i get home but but

03:28:11.040 you know i think uh like i'm a married guy and my what do i gain from going to a bar with a woman

03:28:18.160 no i don't even think i'm going to do anything but it's the scandal that what do i i don't need

03:28:21.760 that i've seen some bad bitches in a cigar lounge i'm not gonna lie i know i'm saying like that's

03:28:27.280 not really he said okay so y'all know exactly what you know exactly what a bad you know exactly what a

03:28:32.960 bad you know exactly what a bad you don't lie you said you just saw him in the cigar no you're right

03:28:38.160 i've seen it once or twice no he said it too oh yeah no i've seen a baddie once okay he knows he knows

03:28:43.440 exactly what a bad for real y'all are like what's a bad bitch like you know exactly what about yeah

03:28:49.200 that's where you find the good ones my phone knows that i prefer you know him when you see him good

03:28:53.120 bitches i'm i prefer good bitches i don't like the bad i prefer the good are you dating what are you

03:29:01.040 what are you talking about i am uh i keep my life a mystery because i have ops i have opposition

03:29:07.680 you did not just say i have ops i got the ops he had like a software update when he left the table

03:29:14.480 came back with all the knowledge now all the lingo yeah did you look up at lingo when you left the

03:29:21.600 table or what a vocab list yeah oh op i thought you meant op was like an operation no no it's an

03:29:28.080 opposition opponent that is what it is yeah so the reason you know i thought you meant like an

03:29:33.280 opportunity like no no not opposite opportunity because opposition yeah i wouldn't like you want

03:29:38.880 to take you down yeah yeah i just uh i try to keep certain things private just because uh

03:29:44.480 so are you doing this podcast there's uh there's ops so you can't say if you're dating or not

03:29:49.520 i got ops that's what i can say he does he said earlier he said my girlfriend

03:29:55.200 i heard that when did i say that you said earlier do you mean like in a hypothetical sense

03:30:00.080 no you literally said my girlfriend what did i say i don't recall you know you're telling us

03:30:04.560 that we're not going to tell the truth that we come on here but what if you're not telling the

03:30:07.200 truth when you come on here who knows i feel like half the time you're probably not what if i'm

03:30:11.120 never mind what what if i'm starting to think whoa what the rude okay why is that rude do we what

03:30:20.240 why is that rude yeah ryan is a homosexual is what he's saying well sexual it's uh yeah wait what

03:30:28.080 what i don't know i don't know michael just i'm confused just this on i don't know i just yeah

03:30:34.080 you should box it listen we can delete that and i didn't i thought that was what you were implying

03:30:38.720 right he said you're a homeless okay all right that was just a little banter there's a little

03:30:44.320 banter there's ops at the table there's opposition okay uh do we need men nicolette i think

03:30:50.880 yeah we need men i don't know how to change a tire and i just want them to do like all the manual labor

03:30:56.320 yeah yeah strong mia we need men madison absolutely

03:31:04.560 word word word very cool okay wait we have oh a little a little more on the feminist thing i

03:31:10.960 wanted to touch on oh my god yo what's up with this topic you don't you don't want to talk about

03:31:15.680 feminism i love it but you hate feminism i love it no no we have fully gone into this topic three

03:31:20.320 separate times and then wrapped right back around to it with are you still a feminist after the

03:31:24.320 conversation okay she wasn't in the beginning of the conversation i said i support women i never

03:31:28.880 said i was over the top feminist i said i support women and i'm standing by that here okay well i guess

03:31:34.320 to see if there's any final thoughts from the panel on this um it sounded i forgot if it was you or you

03:31:41.200 who said that uh you're fighting for equal rights and i was asked i think i asked maybe i didn't

03:31:47.360 what rights do men have that women don't

03:31:52.800 silence silence says a lot yeah i think we all agree that we don't want to be men and the life of men

03:32:04.320 sucks wow okay that's not that bad that's kind of nice wait so is your position nicolette that men are

03:32:12.160 more oppressed than women yeah probably like who wants to be a man that sounds like really horrible

03:32:19.440 what i mean that's a bit far but uh i feel like it'd be cool to be a guy for like a day and then

03:32:25.680 like be able to i think men are great i think that yeah but you don't want to be one um i mean i

03:32:31.600 wasn't born yeah so i wouldn't yeah but wait maybe uh show of hands i would love to marry one

03:32:39.680 i would love to marry a man is there a patriarchy yeah define yeah define yeah he said yes on the

03:32:46.240 last one i streamed before i got here all right uh the patriarchy wins in the end you know so wait

03:32:52.320 question for sophie you seemed pretty that was a pretty solid hand raise there you're the quickest

03:32:57.200 to draw uh how do you define patriarchy into the mic please into the mic

03:33:06.640 i think it's

03:33:12.800 i don't know the right word but it prioritizes men in society and gives them kind of an advantage

03:33:19.920 and do you think here in the united states we have that that's a certain degree yes how so um

03:33:27.200 i feel like

03:33:38.480 yeah there's still some jobs that need to be equal wage for both and i feel like again with the pro

03:33:44.960 choice and um with the abortion things it's like

03:33:51.680 men do not have the right to get an abortion i was about to say it's that's not really a gendered

03:33:56.160 issue you are really right but they do have the right to men have laws on it get a woman pregnant

03:34:03.360 and hands off no no not no not really yes they can they can support but i don't think that's

03:34:11.920 comparable to having to have a child yeah they should probably for force the man to get married to the

03:34:17.120 woman yes no i don't think so then you're just keeping yourself stuck for life but just because

03:34:22.800 a man gets you pregnant does not mean you're gonna raise a big happy family that's not realistic

03:34:27.520 it might be it might be tougher it might be a trickier but it'd be yeah you know the baby

03:34:31.120 child support for years and and i mean potentially jailed

03:34:37.600 it's actually interesting when it comes to child support actually it is very much well we as society

03:34:42.480 have determined that debtors prisons are moral and and wrong except when it comes to uh and i

03:34:48.480 think look if you should support your child but it is interesting that the one debt that you can go

03:34:53.600 to prison for typically in a quite gendered way only impacts men yeah but that's good right you should

03:34:59.600 you should go to jail if you don't pay for your children but i there there's look i think you better

03:35:04.000 than that than you ought to support your children you ought to pay if if you've been now i do think

03:35:08.640 there are certainly cases where yeah it's the the amount can be disproportionate to the man's income

03:35:14.720 and there are men who are in financial straits and they actually while they might very well desire to

03:35:21.120 support their child just due to their own financial and economic circumstances they can't and then they

03:35:26.400 get they wind up in the criminal justice system unjustly just get married though i think they work

03:35:31.360 that out in court though normal people like if you don't make that much money then they'll like

03:35:36.160 okay pay fifty dollars a month or whatever sure it's it is i think in a lot of states it's based

03:35:41.280 on your income but there could be there's certainly maybe some scenarios where they set the child

03:35:46.720 support and the man encounters some sort of immediate economic or financial hardship and then

03:35:52.960 next you know he's missing his child support payments or can't pay the whole thing because he

03:35:56.960 has i don't know maybe medical expenses or something and then he's in jail and he can't pay for

03:36:01.760 anything i don't think so i think he needs to go to court and like make that be known

03:36:06.160 sure sure yes but there you do it i my understanding is there's uh tens of thousands if not hundreds of

03:36:13.040 thousands of men per year who do go to jail for not paying child support the family courts are

03:36:17.440 definitely stacked against men that's that's for sure true but also like men should pay for their

03:36:21.920 kids and really they should just get married and then it should be harder to get divorced and then

03:36:25.840 you then you don't have to deal with the courts so much i have a question do you think women should

03:36:29.040 have to pay child support if they make more than the man and they're not married equality and

03:36:34.080 and the man is raising the kid not the woman no the woman's raising the kid oh well then it

03:36:38.800 wouldn't be child support then it would be like uh alimony or something to the man right but if they

03:36:42.880 weren't married then there wouldn't even be you're saying you're saying the man has zero custody or is

03:36:47.120 it split custody split custody oh it's oh it's like 50 50 if the man would have to pay under those

03:36:52.480 circumstances those same exact circumstances then yes that's my yeah the whole thing though is just so

03:36:57.360 crass you'd prefer people i was just curious just stay married and we should order our laws to not

03:37:01.280 encourage divorce and we should just have them raise their kids like normal i feel like some

03:37:04.720 people need to get a divorce i think divorce should be fine and i think having children under wedlock is

03:37:09.200 fine but i think it's not fine for the kids certainly the circumstances with dcss and the interference of

03:37:15.120 if you do have issues let's say you get evicted from your home and you're not able to afford

03:37:20.160 dcss the child support that's what it is then unfortunately that circumstance is really hard

03:37:25.200 processing everything with dcss is really really hard for a lot of families either the mom who

03:37:30.240 actually has the custody or the father that doesn't and it's a really unfortunate thing and

03:37:34.160 it does come into people unfortunately going to prison when circumstances actually just drastically

03:37:38.800 changed and as well it also affects not only the child because they obviously can't have their food

03:37:44.880 they can't have their goods that they're they're supposed to be supported with but as well the mother

03:37:49.760 or whoever that other parent is and it's just a really hard topic as is yeah it's all

03:37:55.040 the child support stuff is really awful but we're talking about depriving a kid of like

03:37:58.480 his school supplies or whatever but like the much worse thing is to deprive a child of one of his

03:38:03.600 parents right and so if you say like well divorce is no big deal and people should be able to do it

03:38:09.200 no it has terrible effects on those spouses but especially in the kids

03:38:12.480 i just think in such extremes in certain circumstances it's like with abortion

03:38:17.920 like it's like it's like with abortion in certain circumstances like

03:38:22.400 shit has to happen like a certain circumstance with divorce and marriage like you need to get

03:38:26.160 like some people need to get divorced yeah i don't i don't really know if that's true but

03:38:29.680 certainly it is certainly an abusive relationships you think a woman just because she's married to

03:38:34.560 a man in a in a in an abusive marriage or something you know why a wife or her husband's

03:38:40.560 beating his wife there's always there's always like there's like there could be emotional abuse

03:38:46.400 so in a certain circumstance there there is a good moral argument to have some kind of a separation

03:38:51.120 or perhaps even a civil divorce if that were required to so do you agree with that if a woman

03:38:55.200 is getting abused that she should be able to divorce her i don't think that divorce is a sacramental

03:39:00.320 reality i think that it marriage is is eternal and i think that uh even practically speaking when

03:39:06.240 people get a divorce they don't really get a divorce because they're speaking to their ex-spouse

03:39:11.840 all the time and they're arranging child visits and arranging out so just as a practical matter you are

03:39:15.920 still just kind of married to this person and you have a bad marriage but which is why i would

03:39:19.680 strongly discourage divorce if there's a case where for the protection of a child or someone you

03:39:24.400 need to have a separation okay i understand there are these sorts of exigencies but more broadly

03:39:30.160 speaking what we're talking about in the american divorce regime is called no fault divorce and no

03:39:34.720 fault divorce is one a contradiction in terms you can't get it you can't break a contract if

03:39:39.760 there's no fault of anyone and two it's horrific for children and it's horrific for the spouses

03:39:44.400 i would like a percentage of how many no fault divorces there are they're like all no divorces

03:39:48.880 today but obviously someone's at fault so yeah i think in certain scenarios it can be more beneficial

03:39:55.360 to a child to be divorced than to stay together and have an unhealthy i mean my parents got divorced

03:40:00.320 when i was two i'm cool look everyone's parents got divorced my parents are remarried like they're

03:40:04.720 cool everyone's you don't think you've uh suffered uh that bad uh outcomes as a result of their

03:40:10.400 divorce um more bad outcomes seeing my family fight yeah than when they were separated i don't know

03:40:16.080 that that's definitely a thing that divorced parents tell children and tell society well i'm

03:40:19.520 i'm an adult so that's right but you were you were a child of divorce thank you for pointing that

03:40:23.920 out yeah thank you but you're saying my parents opinion versus my i'm saying that as a 25 year old

03:40:29.680 adult that's i think a lot of i think a lot of people tell themselves a lot of things that aren't true

03:40:33.680 but but you know that's so funny and i and the outcomes the outcomes of parent of kids of divorce

03:40:42.080 on any level when you're looking at uh likelihood of getting married and having a stable relationship

03:40:47.760 when you're talking about finances when you're talking about avoiding poverty when all of these

03:40:51.840 things uh when you talk about being at risk of uh assaults sexual and otherwise the the likelihood of

03:40:58.720 that happening in the case of divorce is much much higher than for children with married parents and

03:41:03.440 you might say well my parents don't like each other and they fight all the time yeah okay well

03:41:07.520 having mommy and daddy at home look first of all they should just figure it out and have a good

03:41:10.560 marriage but short of that the the the evil wrought by divorce is difficult to overstate and also

03:41:17.600 because it's the fundamental building block of society it's the basic political unit so you

03:41:21.360 break that up and you're going to have a breakup of society which is what we've seen but if the

03:41:25.360 fundamental build-up that you witness is always either abuse or no i'm i'm not in any way defending

03:41:31.120 a guy treating his wife i was just saying i'm saying it's also not just yeah it can be woman

03:41:35.680 on to men as well but but they're like dainty you know it's not okay i'm just saying there's

03:41:41.200 it's not too extreme situations where it is more beneficial that was my whole point but when we're

03:41:46.400 when we're talking about divorce in america we're really not talking about that circumstance i'm

03:41:51.360 not saying it doesn't happen but mostly but you speak in just extremes i think when you know i'm

03:41:55.760 speaking in the majority of cases if you're talking divorce the actual like filing a divorce yes it's

03:42:01.360 not always easy it's not always exactly without fault like you're saying but then separation on the

03:42:07.200 other hand that's a much larger scale more families are separated as opposed to divorce formally and that is

03:42:13.200 to serve the real like fixing and the real like comfort of saving and protecting a child or a

03:42:18.160 family member or the husband or that wife my family we my parents i think they suffered when i was two

03:42:23.360 and a half and had they been together i would have been more abused i would have been through more

03:42:27.520 trauma that's how i feel as well for that reason it can happen yeah i'm not i'm not denying that there

03:42:32.800 there's in the case of like the abuse of a child or something uh there is a good moral argument for

03:42:37.600 some kind of a separation even if the sacramental reality of divorce is not such but again that's

03:42:44.160 not first of all i think you've all expressed maybe not you as much that divorce comes along with

03:42:50.000 very bad things uh but furthermore it what we're talking about american divorce we're not usually

03:42:57.280 talking in the vast majority of cases we're not talking about i think we all agree in the sense that

03:43:01.120 a child doesn't deserve divorced parents but we all agree in the sense that women shouldn't have to stay

03:43:05.680 in a relationship with a man that they're being abused in or those those circumstances that aren't

03:43:09.600 just for no reason we just want to get a divorce and move on because we're not happy yeah so we

03:43:13.680 agree on no fault divorce i agree i think no woman should ever have to stay in a situation she doesn't

03:43:18.400 want to be in no matter the position i don't think or vice versa or vice versa vice versa yeah both ways

03:43:24.800 if a man or a woman wants to leave a relationship they should never be trapped just because that's what

03:43:30.320 the bible just no just because they just because they made it out before they got married they should

03:43:35.200 have figured that out before they got married if they didn't want to be together but sometimes

03:43:38.320 shit doesn't work out like that exactly and that's what i was kind of relaying was regardless of the

03:43:41.440 emotional traumas or the damage that might have been done all in all if somebody chooses to separate

03:43:46.240 or divorce formally because there's just no pleasure there's no fun there's no fundamental real

03:43:51.520 relationship any further just because they have a child mind you that's only 18 years then they

03:43:56.480 shouldn't have to stay together they should prioritize their own sense of fun over the well-being of their

03:44:02.800 child the well and the vows that they make mental health no no but we're in this case we're talking

03:44:07.040 they're very own well-being and onto the well-being that they're expressing in front of their child

03:44:13.600 if i'm unhappy and i don't love my husband and i have a child and they're witnessing that i'm just

03:44:18.480 always how about you put on a happy face for the good of your kid okay so i should have a child

03:44:24.400 and you made a vow to stay with your house if your wife went out next week and cheated on you would

03:44:28.800 you stay with her absolutely you would stay with her i would not divorce my wife under any

03:44:32.320 circumstance you would stay with my wife no try to kill me no circumstance and my wife might try to

03:44:36.160 kill me i don't think she'd cheat on me but she might try to kill me and under no circumstance would

03:44:39.680 i divorce my wife if your wife went and cheated on you she could do anything there's no circumstance

03:44:45.680 anything but that's a very extreme belief so of course he feels that way it's just all of our opinions

03:44:51.600 yeah exactly that's why we're here talking can i yeah can i think of a couple scenarios i'd prefer

03:44:58.720 you didn't no no it's not going to be anything vulgar or anything let me throw out a few scenarios

03:45:04.800 and you tell me and i think i know what the answer will be but i'll do it anyways she voted for joe biden

03:45:10.960 now listen rules have exceptions and i'm no i'm no exegete when it comes to holy scripture and so

03:45:19.280 look is there i'm sure there must be some theologian somewhere who points out that if

03:45:23.280 this woman has so renounced her reason checkmate yeah then maybe in that circumstance check

03:45:29.120 me we ought to kick her out of the house but i but i would give me pause wow what about this yeah

03:45:34.720 you find out how long you've been together with your wife uh married five and a half years okay

03:45:40.400 let's say during the uh 2016 president presidential election she had voted for hillary clinton

03:45:46.400 also i actually don't know if she voted for trump i don't really exactly this no she must have

03:45:53.440 i don't remember she at least was tempted a lot of people were kind of tempted but but listen if we're

03:45:58.080 talking look i i assume my wife made the right choice i don't but even if not i would say as we

03:46:06.640 were talking about earlier the past is the past as long as as long as because we got to talk about

03:46:12.480 penance and making right as long as she votes for trump several times in this election because you

03:46:18.480 know the dems are going to be voting like five times a person so as long as she goes and puts a

03:46:22.560 mustache on or whatever and she keeps cycling and votes for trump a minimum of 12 times okay i would be

03:46:29.120 oh we have grid one here donated two hundred dollars eighty percent of divorces are initiated

03:46:37.040 by women a large percentage of those are because she is not happy men suffer through a divorce the

03:46:43.280 percentage of divorces involving abuse are very low accuracy matters can you look up the percentage

03:46:49.440 involving abuse but i feel like there's a lot of men that are fucked up in the head you know what i mean

03:46:54.880 so that's true that's why that's why there's a divorce and also shouldn't they just like work

03:46:59.520 on the marriage they're bored i think that's probably most divorces all they're just um look

03:47:05.120 i'm not saying of course abuse absolutely exists but like i think i agree with it's rare it's probably

03:47:09.680 most of the time it's just like you're what's your reconcilable differences i'm bored i want some new

03:47:17.440 sexual i need it when it's paltrow i need a conscious decoupling because i mean in that case i don't

03:47:22.960 think it's right to get divorced then yeah well then they shouldn't if you have kids like yeah

03:47:27.760 if you have kids certainly not they shouldn't be getting married in the first place a commitment

03:47:32.240 though right but how many times do people break contracts like that's why lawyers exist people

03:47:36.960 break contracts there are consequences to breaking contracts except for this one

03:47:40.800 odd circumstance when it's the fundamental social consequences to everything yeah but in this

03:47:45.200 case we're saying that's no fault no harm no foul see you later but like no man you know you made

03:47:49.280 a vow what if it's mutual yeah all the more so no you don't you don't get out of lifelong vows

03:47:54.800 especially if you have kids i mean i don't i i agree with you in a sense totally totally because

03:47:59.200 i disagree she gets i i don't get it i disagree with you naomi definitely gets it i definitely don't

03:48:05.920 she definitely gets it and you have a vow to someone that you're gonna spend the rest of

03:48:10.000 your life with them i think you owe that to them but there is some circumstances where i think it's

03:48:14.480 okay to get a divorce could you imagine just being absolutely miserable every day waking up

03:48:18.960 with someone who you both usually don't want to be together then how about you like work on your

03:48:22.640 attitude and make the marriage work instead of just cutting and running yeah work on it yeah don't

03:48:28.720 you know if if you're no i think if it's both people unhappy

03:48:32.640 selena donated 200 lean here my big sister felt i was alive as an embryo dot i thank god she helped

03:48:40.080 mommy out of a dark place dot talked her out of aborting me dot i'm glad she loved me enough

03:48:45.520 to tell mom what to do with her body and keep me wow awesome okay that is an interesting well

03:48:52.400 that's a blessing for you i'm very happy you're alive too yeah but i mean that's not everyone's

03:48:57.520 reality so right some people were killed but for her she got the reality of she lived that's great

03:49:03.200 all right good times well we have we have i'm trying to find the chat here we had something from

03:49:11.520 stifler and i'm trying to find it but it's uh let me see if i can find it in the thing hold on

03:49:19.840 here just a second folks sorry with the chat rate has been did did we not oh here it is i found it we

03:49:26.880 have stifler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten we're gonna start with cindy

03:49:35.120 we're gonna go around the table cindy go ahead i am ten yeah huh i'm not gonna run what your looks

03:49:44.880 rate your own looks on a scale of one to ten

03:49:51.680 i don't know just say you know i answered yeah we confident out here so we're all gonna say we

03:49:58.080 are gonna say tens yeah well just just what ten ten ten ten i'm gonna be realistic and just say eight

03:50:10.160 i always say that number eight it's a respectable number eight as well i would have been tempted to

03:50:16.800 say nine or ten but then you told me i'm a total dog face before so i don't know like now i feel

03:50:21.840 like it's more like michael say ten seven do you think i should say ten thank you i'll say we all

03:50:26.080 we all need to have the confidence to just say we're tens we're all tens at the table is it is that

03:50:30.640 what it is it's confidence yeah i wouldn't like is that what that is i'm the most beautiful girl in

03:50:35.120 the world like no i wouldn't say that at all positive affirmations i do think that

03:50:40.160 confidence matters but they asked us to rate ourselves so like yeah like objectively though

03:50:47.120 objective objectively we're all you know you you say confidence it occurs to me that's maybe not the

03:50:52.880 right word hubris seems like it is the right word i think confidence sounds a bit more descriptive but um

03:50:58.720 um don't you think it's a little bit delusional i love to call yourself a ten no god gave you this

03:51:07.520 i think i'm not gonna rate you guys but what did you what did you oh sorry excuse me i did not rate

03:51:11.920 myself so i used to rate myself a six however i've gained a bit of weight because i i've stressed i

03:51:18.400 stress eat yeah so i'm now a five because i got a bit of a dad bod so i'm a five that's kind of hot

03:51:23.440 that's like basically telling that you're not grateful you say a five okay people don't like

03:51:27.680 dad bods yeah dad bods are in leo jacaprio made it cool dad bods oh i love him yeah you say that but

03:51:34.880 uh you know if you want to have a six pack you gotta go quick because he has a cap at 26

03:51:43.840 but uh yeah again don't you guys think it's a bit delusional to uh yes oh you are self-aware

03:51:52.960 of yeah you gotta be confident though like you gotta not relate yourself to societal beauty

03:51:57.440 standards and just know that are you able to scoot into the table a little bit yeah i'm so sorry it's

03:52:00.960 okay sorry yeah you just have to not relate yourself to societal beauty standards and just know that

03:52:06.400 what's the standard then i don't know big tits big ass i like i don't know subjective like

03:52:14.000 end of the day like you could think all of us are hideous and like that's your

03:52:18.080 opinion don't get me wrong like i'm makeups are fine i mean i don't know why you gotta

03:52:23.120 like i just i just big titties into this conversation i think it's just the whole like

03:52:27.440 um like kardashian bbl vibe that everyone in this like instagram world goes for and i know a lot of

03:52:34.160 men like they're like no i actually hate that but a lot of men i mean that's the whole internet

03:52:38.720 that's social media if you asked me to rate you i would i would say a 10 because well

03:52:43.520 i don't know i just don't feel like it's my place i just feel like it's not my place to

03:52:49.200 rate other people and if i'm going to have to rate myself i'm going to give myself the best grade i

03:52:53.280 can so wait is that you like a cups you like a cups and big labias that's fire that's what i heard

03:53:02.000 well i actually i forgot if it was you who asked me what i like in a woman maybe we can get there but

03:53:07.600 to me like when you mentioned the plastic surgery thing i'm a natural body supremacist okay

03:53:13.360 i prefer women without all these surgical interventions i've never i've never seen

03:53:19.120 people say my tits are fake do you think i respect real or fake oh my god okay respectfully like

03:53:30.160 can you answer so they want to know i'm not trying to just stare at your boobs right now

03:53:35.200 i'm just trying to have a conversation but loose energy donated 200

03:53:39.120 dollars mike under no circumstances a simple all also you're fucking nasty gas

03:53:45.920 whoa used up mid as hell three hundred and fours will be alone with cats or end

03:53:51.040 up with a poor simp let's be let's be

03:53:52.880 hashtag abdul get the rocks

03:53:54.560 get the rocks yeah get the rocks get the rocks all right i'm at least grateful that i'm under

03:54:04.480 no circumstances a simp that's nice michael is nice i think simps are cool i love it

03:54:09.600 i like female simps i think female women should start simping i think if i have a man i am a sim

03:54:18.400 hardcore sim okay yours i thought only a man could be a no i i've definitely simps i have definitely

03:54:25.200 simps what for whom how does that even coincide i'm saying when i have a man the first day has nothing

03:54:31.360 to do with when you got a simp from the get-go naomi yeah did you know what that is by the way

03:54:38.320 okay yeah that's my literally one of my tiktok handles i'm on backwards because it's naomi

03:54:44.960 um anyways so if i were to ask you on a date right just like role play with me um natural if i were to

03:54:51.440 ask you on a date you would want me to like be at your on my knees like hey it's funny you say that

03:54:57.680 actually i mean what yes you would want the girl to be like i want to pay i think the girl has to

03:55:05.840 michael might disagree with me i don't even think a girl could that doesn't make sense to me like

03:55:09.600 simp in what way like he said like he said like simping seems just wait so you want the girl to be

03:55:14.800 dominant and ask no not dominant she still has to be feminine and submissive what do you mean what do

03:55:19.200 you mean what do you mean by simply like she shows that she cares about you and she like

03:55:23.040 fucks with you is that what you mean like she shows her reflection she what like no

03:55:27.440 affection he said he was correlating like having a man and being submissive and like

03:55:33.600 a simp to like the first date like i don't know it'd be weird i don't get that i don't see how

03:55:39.200 those two things correlate so probably it could be well i mean there's various definitions i could

03:55:45.520 give you the webster's and your head what is yeah like somebody who like is a little who does a little

03:55:53.040 too much who's a little too well the from the male the the male simp this is what a male simp is

03:55:58.720 a guy who does way too much for a woman who does way too little for him yeah yeah right so like he's

03:56:06.000 he's spending all this money taking her out on dates and and she's a fence sitter right when he

03:56:11.280 comes to me and i i don't know if all men share my thoughts on this but i prefer women who like i i'm

03:56:17.600 not big on game playing i want a girl who is fairly up front with her interest in me it doesn't have to

03:56:22.720 be like in a vulgar overt overt sort of way but i do like a woman's i like a woman woman's undivided

03:56:31.840 romantic and sexual attention immediately yeah you're asking too much that's fire

03:56:37.040 that's that's love bombing that's not love you you want to say i don't necessarily the woman the

03:56:42.880 woman is love bombing i don't see that as love bombing if i was really interested in someone i

03:56:47.600 would absolutely act that way that's beautiful yeah i'm a pisces i have no idea i'm a lover girl

03:56:53.280 i know i saw your birthday oh my god i thought you were gonna say like i know i saw your jacket or

03:56:58.560 whatever you know oh shit thank god there's no one good thing oh my god that would have been

03:57:03.200 terrible for me the definition of simp is just crushing you just like oh like you know i have

03:57:08.480 a crush on you like oh no but that's very blase i don't think don't you have to be really enthusiastic

03:57:13.120 if you simp just like oh you're just like a little like a hyper it could be low-key yeah you can be a

03:57:18.080 low-key simp i thought that was a contradiction in terms you know it's i don't think you can be a

03:57:22.960 low-key simp yeah you gotta be a i think you can be i think you can be like low-key with how you

03:57:28.880 feel about a girl but i think when you're a simp for a girl like you're like it's you're

03:57:33.040 showing it like it's out there you're like yeah i fucking love you you're really into really into

03:57:38.240 the person right yeah and uh from i i think we've all had the experience of we've dated people who

03:57:46.880 display a very high level of romantic interest in us and some women don't like that even if you

03:57:52.960 otherwise would find the guy attractive and you've also probably had the experience of guys who seem a

03:57:58.640 bit aloof and does he like me does he not like me it's interesting to me it seems like some women

03:58:04.080 will be like i want to win him over and maybe some guys also have that too where there's like the chase

03:58:10.160 me personally and i think it may very well be the case for a lot of men uh i actually much prefer a

03:58:16.880 woman who displays quite a high level of interest in me because i don't i'm not is it because you're

03:58:21.920 insecure no it's not how why how do you come to that conclusion i just because because i've dealt with

03:58:27.840 yourself you rated yourself a five and then you basically want a girl to love on you personality

03:58:33.600 it's like a 12 and sim for you and pay pay for everything so basically it's just giving what's

03:58:39.680 it giving it's just not what's it what's it giving cindy what's it giving um no but it's not like it's

03:58:47.440 not giving at all i'm not like i'm not interested also if a girl's so into you one one thing that's

03:58:55.200 important to me a lot of people are dating multiple people at the same time i'm not i'm not

03:59:00.480 about that if if i come into your life if you're a girl i come into your life and where i'm interested

03:59:05.680 in you if we go on the first date preferably i mean on that first date i strongly prefer there's

03:59:13.440 no other guys in the picture if you want a second date with me if there's other guys it has to be a wrap

03:59:20.480 and if you were sexually involved with them while you went on the first date with me that's a wrap from

03:59:24.560 my end but if you were dating it's a wrap what's a wrap oh like it's over you mean like that's a

03:59:28.480 wrap it's done that's like old lingo yeah i thought that was zoomer i'm a boomer okay yeah it's boomer

03:59:32.720 lingo yeah so but uh certainly if she's sexually involved with another guy even on the first date i

03:59:38.400 mean that's i don't even want to go on a date with you but some people aren't always forthcoming

03:59:43.280 if you want to go on a second date with me all the other dudes it's over you can't be entertaining

03:59:49.120 other dudes if you want to pursue other women no so but i date very like intentionally like that

03:59:55.760 so when you're dating you might think that's crazy no i don't i don't at all so when you're dating

04:00:00.400 you're dating one woman at a time and then when you're done with if i'm gonna pursue it if i'm

04:00:05.200 gonna pursue her absolutely or not but of course if you go if you go on one date if you go on one

04:00:09.920 date with somebody and you're not that interested and you don't really want to then yeah but but

04:00:14.080 if i'm gonna pursue it then yes i'm gonna but that just contradicted what you said how can you

04:00:18.000 expect a woman to show up to a date on your first date with you and not involved in any other

04:00:21.600 relationship it's really not with you where'd you guys meet did you like know each other or was this

04:00:26.080 like a swipe thing i mean it could be through social media could be on the dating app it could you could

04:00:30.240 meet in person if it's a swipe thing she might still be dating some other guy casually and that's

04:00:34.560 more sort of understandable i think but if she knows you you know you guys both play you're in the

04:00:38.320 pinochle club together and you say like hey brian i want to go get an ice cream with you or something yeah

04:00:43.280 and then it'd be weird if she were if you make your intentions clear like this i want to be with

04:00:48.560 you and just you i don't see a problem with that but if you're just expecting a woman to stop talking

04:00:52.320 to everybody else just because you don't want her to and you're not going to commit to her i don't

04:00:56.320 think that's fair well yeah i'm not i'm not particularly interested in having like a large

04:01:00.400 roster of women that like that doesn't interest me i'm a very busy person i don't have time for that

04:01:04.960 i'm not interested in well let's just be in a situationship for three months and we're both

04:01:08.960 fucking multiple other people at the same time right maybe after this extended period of time

04:01:13.440 maybe we'll find ourselves in a relationship that has no interest uh that that doesn't interest me

04:01:18.320 now i would agree with you that it's probably the dating meta that most people are dating multiple

04:01:23.840 people at the same time perhaps they're even sleeping with them at the same time i would not

04:01:28.000 want to date a woman who does that and it it's just so for you to even take a woman out you already

04:01:32.160 know that you're going to want to date her is that what you're saying well i mean i think you have to

04:01:35.760 get a feel for them obviously on the date and that first date doesn't guarantee that i get a second

04:01:41.600 date or that she gets a second date um but you know that's why i think you can't go into expecting

04:01:46.560 a woman to not be talking to other men well it's not that hard to be dating one person at the same

04:01:51.360 time what you have happening is with it on the first date after several dates i understand but

04:01:56.720 going into a first date you can't well i'll tell you this i'll tell you this you can't say i don't want

04:02:00.720 to go into it if she's been talking or fucking any other men at all i like women who are properly

04:02:05.120 single i like women who are properly single yeah you're not of the opinion that if there's a goalie

04:02:10.720 it doesn't mean you can't well it's interesting to me that you find that like somewhat strange but

04:02:14.640 almost every single girl here said that they're not dating anybody so why is that like why do you

04:02:20.320 think that that's uh given that all the women almost all the women here at this table are not

04:02:26.080 currently dating any guy why is it somehow strange for me to want a girl who's not currently dating or

04:02:33.600 sleeping with another guy because majority of women are lying about that majority of women do

04:02:39.440 date multiple people at the same time yes that's true until you have that conversation of like okay

04:02:44.080 you're gonna move and make this serious sarcastic simp donated two hundred dollars all of you have

04:02:50.000 raging daddy issues and need to stop i'll just say this look if you're if you're sexually involved

04:02:56.240 with another man i want nothing to do with you i give you going into it before you ever went out on

04:03:01.520 the first day yes even even if we're going on the first date you make that known before you go out

04:03:05.280 with them i would ask a girl are you properly single are you seeing other guys now hopefully

04:03:09.040 they don't lie to me but absolutely so yes it is something i would ask them before even bothering

04:03:14.320 to meet with them i might give them a little more leeway if they're like going on first dates with

04:03:19.200 other guys even then that's not an ideal situation i get where you're coming from like i i i don't like to

04:03:25.040 date i don't like to have multiple like situationships myself so if i start talking to

04:03:30.080 someone then i'm only talking to that one person and i'm yeah completely now where it's like i don't

04:03:36.000 talk to anybody so i understand why yeah i want a proper i think this is a really good but not going

04:03:42.400 into the first day i think that's not like not realistic see to me if if you disclose to me on the

04:03:48.640 first date by the way i'm currently having sex with another man i'm not going to be mean but

04:03:54.880 i might be a little flustered that you've wasted my time but i'm probably gonna be like oh cool

04:04:01.200 because i guess you would ask goodbye yeah i mean i'm leaving i don't want to sue you right

04:04:05.920 before y'all's dinner date like why'd you go on the date with him if you're dating this other guy

04:04:10.480 in a pretty serious way i mean i get that yeah but what if it's not serious it sounds like by what

04:04:15.920 they're doing it's kind of serious well you look at sex is very serious and i committed you just call

04:04:21.040 it making love or it could just be so i don't know if in that case they're exactly making

04:04:24.640 love correct they're probably just like having sex yeah but like they shouldn't be doing that

04:04:28.720 how many girls have told you that according to you on a first date oh by the way i'm like

04:04:32.960 some other guy well it could look it could certainly be the case that people might not

04:04:38.480 be forthcoming about that sort of thing although i like to think that generally i mean look again maybe

04:04:44.080 i've been played but uh i'd like to think that most of the women i've dated actually don't move that

04:04:50.000 way yeah because like if you're she's laughing because i mean because i would never tell a guy

04:04:58.080 if i was another guy on a first date i was gonna say yeah yeah if they asked me i would be honest

04:05:04.320 but i'm not but i'm not gonna like the way i'm gonna be honest too but i'm not gonna sit there and

04:05:08.320 be like yeah i'm gonna go fuck someone i'm gonna ask in like a very like nonchalant like what i'm not

04:05:13.520 gonna be like you fucking older dudes i'm gonna be like hey i'm gonna like first it's not gonna

04:05:18.240 be like an immediate tell you fuck i'm last so like are you dating other people right now like

04:05:22.960 when's the last time you've been on a date when was your last relationship and that will allow me

04:05:26.960 to sort of get a sense but don't you i don't want to think about if i'm going on a date with you i

04:05:31.200 don't know it's been a hundred years since i've been on dates but i sit down you don't take your

04:05:34.400 wife on date no like i'll take my wife but i'm not like i'm not asking these questions you know at

04:05:39.120 these dates and so if i'm on dates which is weird lame you no i like we go out we do things like

04:05:45.360 it needs to be like a week i just want to talk about like dating i'm not dating my wife i'll put

04:05:48.640 it that way i'm married to my wife wait stay on topics like you plan activities to do it's like

04:05:53.760 some you know yeah we'll let go yeah we don't i don't lock her in a cage most of the time yeah yeah

04:06:00.160 so but like back in the old days if i would go on a date i don't want to sit down and be like so

04:06:05.040 tell me about every other dude that you've ever dated or might be dating now right i want to keep

04:06:08.800 that completely out of my i don't want to think that they ever went on any date ever it's just me

04:06:12.800 they saw me they sprung into the world out of the ether and saw me and fell immediately in love

04:06:17.760 that's what i want to see that's delusional right there well no i'm not i'm not convincing myself

04:06:22.480 that it's true but i just don't i don't need to talk about like so tell me about your past

04:06:26.800 relationships i want the red pill i don't because you know there's i guess i guess ignorance is

04:06:34.640 bliss right but i want i want to know that way i can make an informed decision to say it was nice

04:06:42.560 to meet you goodbye i don't want to date you it's like a job interview like so what are you

04:06:46.640 past i called some of your recommendations um actually deshawn says you're lovely you know what

04:06:52.720 i agree with that women should come with with references from their past partners there should

04:06:58.720 be a yelp there should be a yelp for like dating well there is one for the male version for human

04:07:03.200 beings yeah yeah stop it not yell for you but by you doing that brian okay it's a guy like a

04:07:10.160 really good opportunity i could be cut i could be cutting off a really good opportunity with a woman

04:07:15.200 when i first met her after the first date she goes and fucks the guy who she's sleeping with

04:07:19.920 that's absurd i thought you meant before not afterwards well that's it could have been the

04:07:25.520 night before and it's okay yeah it depends on how soon before but if it was like two months

04:07:28.720 before was the last guy she fucked and then she went out with you is it like a big deal that

04:07:31.840 she fucked someone two months ago the the longer back in the past the more the more preferable

04:07:36.880 it is what about you what about me wouldn't she say the same thing for you brian's not

04:07:41.040 fucking oh which is good which is a good thing oh he got defensive but then he was like

04:07:47.600 no but what if she really liked you and then she was willing to like not

04:07:51.760 fuck anyone else again but she wouldn't get that chance because you're like no and also if you're

04:07:56.720 not asking straight up that have just been asked yeah if you're not asking straight up then how can

04:08:00.560 you say like oh you wasted my time i guess it's just the communication on it yeah yeah

04:08:05.760 you should give her a written test but what if it's her job what if it's her job like her

04:08:10.720 what if it's her job yeah like she had to have sex yeah like i don't she had it she had to go on black

04:08:16.320 and like you know what i mean like the day she had to go on black yeah like the casting was the day

04:08:21.280 before it was on black that means casting that's fucking disgusting you're like a black guy black

04:08:28.400 it's like on corn hub like you know what i mean black is it like getting fucked by like eight guys

04:08:34.880 like i'm just saying like you know what i mean like got it yeah and i asked so it's my fault are you

04:08:44.000 okay cindy i'm good i'm just saying yeah what sorry i'm not used to you saying like you i

04:09:01.040 cool we already ascertained at the beginning that brian is a white supremacist whoa whoa

04:09:05.120 didn't we no i remember i'm a natural i'm a natural he's trying to act gangster guys no bbls

04:09:12.640 no lip fillers no labiaplasty no i guarantee like if you saw you'd change your mind lipo saw what

04:09:20.800 if if you use your imagination if the woman that you loved like looked at you one day and just said

04:09:25.920 i'm not confident and i have not been confident in how my vagina looks my whole entire life and i

04:09:29.760 want to get a labia plasty sorry it wasn't it wasn't so much i guess those that's one of the

04:09:34.480 circumstances are you serious vote for biden and try to get that are you serious like seriously no

04:09:41.120 as a man i'll be right back let me let me answer that let me answer that really quick let me answer

04:09:45.200 that really quick so if i was in a relationship with a girl and she wanted to get that procedure

04:09:50.560 or frankly any uh plastic surgery that was for purely cosmetic reasons i think we as men you know we

04:09:59.200 are protectors and we have a duty not and that's not just even a physical thing we have a duty to

04:10:05.600 protect our girlfriends or our wives uh on a mental level and so i would i believe in building up my

04:10:16.880 partner so i would do everything in my power to advise her not to get plastic surgery because i'm

04:10:22.480 against plastic surgery and i would say you're beautiful as you are you don't need to do that your

04:10:27.600 a cups are great but what if she knows your small booty is fine what if she knows that what if she's

04:10:31.680 perfectly fine how she is but literally the only thing that she wants to make her feel more confident

04:10:35.600 thing yes okay you want to specifically talk about the lady yeah i want to talk about the labia thing

04:10:40.240 too because i mean like i like i'll tell her i like large labia i'll say i have a key i like how it is

04:10:46.720 so it's a little uncomfy sometimes though when it's like sitting in your panties so like that was really

04:10:50.640 like well okay i have a whole story behind mine i mean i went celibate all of 2022 after my last

04:10:57.120 breakup and then i got mine done for me and then i started only fans like for funds i i didn't plan

04:11:05.040 to get it done before starting only fans because i was gonna start only fans like i got it done

04:11:09.040 and then i was i just decided to start only fans but it worked out in my favor

04:11:12.160 but i'm just saying like it wasn't because i was like oh my god i hate the way it looks like

04:11:19.360 that's not the case either it's just like yeah look i've heard from some women that there's uh

04:11:23.920 there can be i suppose discomfort but i think the vast majority of that procedure it's for purely

04:11:29.520 cosmetic reasons sure but again we're talking so what's the question so my wife comes to me and

04:11:35.840 she wants to get a labiaplasty i'd be like i i like it how it is i prefer it how it is i would

04:11:41.440 probably like it less than you know if you were to get it she knows your opinions on it she knows

04:11:45.760 how you feel on it and she still wants to do it you're telling me you'd leave her just because

04:11:48.800 she wanted well i didn't no i didn't say i would leave her you said you would divorce her oh i was

04:11:53.120 being facetious um but uh i have a question but i would try my best to counsel her i'd tell i think

04:12:02.480 tell her she's beautiful the way she is i prefer her the way she is and then i would say and then i

04:12:07.120 i would say well here's how much it costs here's some of the potential risk anytime you go under

04:12:11.920 anesthesia there's potential risks there uh you know you could lose potentially some uh sensitivity

04:12:17.920 you could you know there's all kinds of reasons are we still talking about labiaplasty yes it's

04:12:22.320 actually great it's more good talk good talk wait we were doing the rating one to ten yeah you know

04:12:27.600 i had one more question though on that topic on the labia thing on that topic okay if a girl had

04:12:32.640 it done before she met you and she never told you then what then if you found out later on would

04:12:38.160 it bother you i'd be like i wish she hadn't but i mean it's it's not like innies are great too don't

04:12:44.160 get me wrong but if a tree falls in if a labia falls in a forest and no one is around yeah look i just i

04:12:51.440 one i don't think that we should be shaming people for uh their genitalia for example i don't think men

04:12:55.840 should be shamed if they have a small what no one's shaming anyone i made a personal decision

04:13:01.280 literally something some girls want to do to feel more confident and i was asking a lot of

04:13:06.080 and if if a woman you had already loved came to you and said like y'all have been in a relationship

04:13:10.480 you love this woman you want to be with her she said i want to get this done i'm asking if you would

04:13:13.760 stand by that respect that that's like after i've made a very good faith effort to say you don't

04:13:20.720 need to i like and she's just like committed to it it's not about you it's not about other

04:13:25.920 men it's not it's about how you feel on its own i wouldn't i don't think it'd be like i would break

04:13:31.440 up with her if she like despite it it would it could potentially introduce a bit of conflict in

04:13:37.600 the relationship and couldn't you just tell her no just be like no you're not doing that you know

04:13:42.320 because she's not listening to me and as the patriarch of the family uh there's that

04:13:48.160 now there i mean there's other considerations like am i is this a scenario where i'm like

04:13:52.080 the provider and she wants me to pay for it because then there's other no this is oh it's

04:13:55.520 her money this is your girlfriend and you guys are getting married and you know you love her this is

04:14:00.320 the one you want to be with so you stood by her and she just says is gotta get the dress gotta get

04:14:05.680 the is that the is and this is just going to be a hypothetical so who knows how this would play out

04:14:10.880 would that be the extent of the plastic surgery that she wants like you're the only one

04:14:18.000 yeah because because my yes if that's the only one the only thing she wants i'm asking if that's

04:14:22.640 the only one she wants and that's the only thing that makes her feel not confident as not as confident

04:14:27.280 as she could be would you stand by that and just respect if you love her you would i would if yes i

04:14:34.160 would i probably stay with her but it's it i don't think it's like that's a breakup scenario but that's a

04:14:42.160 eyebrow raise scenario because i mean my view on plastic surgery is i do think it can be proxy

04:14:47.920 for mental illness and so i'm not particularly inclined to how also excessive vanity how well

04:14:55.360 i mean if you are so dissatisfied with your body and it's for example uh breast implants with the

04:15:02.480 exception of a woman who's had breast cancer and had to have a breast removed for example there's no

04:15:06.880 medically indicated reason to have plastic put into your chest there's no medical reason to do that

04:15:14.080 it's purely cosmetic you are so what's so what's so wrong with someone wanting to feel more confident

04:15:21.200 what if someone just wanted bigger boobs it's well you are so dissatisfied with your current present

04:15:27.200 appearance what if they're not that you're going to spend thousands of dollars you would be right

04:15:32.160 you're spending thousands of dollars you're going under anesthesia which requires a certain risk me

04:15:36.720 personally i just don't find it aesthetically i don't think it uh the look is actually not terrible

04:15:43.600 but i mean touch no not a fan of it um and uh i'm trying to think what else it's just i i don't

04:15:51.840 typically like women who are have excessive vanity i tend to prefer women who are a bit more modest

04:15:57.600 um so i mean it is there what like all the plastic surgery the nose the breast the penis um increase

04:16:10.240 so yeah it's typically is that a surgery yeah like i thought that was just in like cartoons or your

04:16:14.400 height you can increase your height yeah how do you increase your height your knees um like something in

04:16:20.400 your calves like i don't know myself but i did not know that but it's very small percentages it's just

04:16:26.400 like a few inches because it doesn't seem worth it yeah it's a very painful surgery look i think we as

04:16:32.320 men have a duty maybe we as men have a duty like i said to protect women not just from physical threats

04:16:40.240 but also threats of the mind and in my view society has to some degree when it comes to

04:16:47.680 unattainable beauty standards um has compelled women to start undertaking these quite frankly

04:16:57.120 expensive and unnecessary and dangerous uh plastic cosmetic surgeries which i view are not necessary

04:17:05.040 um and i i think that's that is an attack on women's mind yeah also like your beauty is for your

04:17:13.840 spouse or i guess your like long-term you know fiancee or whatever boyfriend but it's like for it's

04:17:18.320 not for you it's not and it's not for the public i disagree with that entirely i was completely single

04:17:23.280 when i got my surgery done which is why people people misunderstand that fact and then they start to

04:17:29.760 do things because of their own vein neuroses or because they want to impress the public or whatever

04:17:34.080 that's what public i was working in corporate america and single and i wasn't dating or

04:17:38.640 right so i'm saying it wasn't it wasn't for you know what you're what if it's literally just

04:17:43.040 something that you want like why do you want it literally the question is why do you want it wait

04:17:47.360 plastic surgery but that's or i get what you're kind of saying because what he's saying is like

04:17:51.120 woman or anybody getting plastic surgery unfortunately it leads to more and more increase of those

04:17:56.160 surgeries annually in the population getting them and that leads to this dissatisfaction with many other

04:18:02.080 people because they see i can someone that i can alex earl per for instance she has breast implants

04:18:08.960 so many girls have grown kin to her and they love her and they're fans of her and because she has them

04:18:13.280 all these other people not even putting her down will unfortunately say oh i want one i want them too

04:18:17.520 now because she's really pretty i'm gonna get them too and it can be anybody it could just be any

04:18:21.120 random girl that they see in the street and that's what he's saying is it unfortunately leads to

04:18:25.280 this downfall where women and other people men as well fall into this need or desire to change

04:18:33.040 their bodies just because they're seeing one other person it's not just one person it could be

04:18:36.240 thousands and thousands of people and that's what's happening is constant plastic surgery

04:18:40.000 unfortunately leads to so many people wanting to do the same and changing their bodies that's why we

04:18:44.160 have the people die some people die from that shit john rivers also because she said yeah i can i can

04:18:50.640 see that i just don't personally agree with the fact that like it can't just be like okay i want

04:18:56.400 this yeah because i want but why do you because my labia is i mean i don't have big ass labia but

04:19:02.160 like they just didn't fit nice in my underwear but let's look at a much more common like uh plastic

04:19:07.040 surgery procedure which would be uh breast implants for example there's no medically indicated

04:19:12.000 reason to get breast implants sure i mean again i mentioned the can't the

04:19:16.160 we're talking about labias so then why would one do it because they want to change their body

04:19:21.360 that's why do they want for themselves yeah what if what if someone literally just wanted it right

04:19:26.640 i'm i'm you're saying they want it because they want it but i'm just saying like right what is

04:19:30.240 inhaling that desire originally i've always i've always wanted bigger that's one reason yeah for sure

04:19:36.160 but i'm i'm happy with my body now i'm i think my boobs are great but i've always wanted to have big

04:19:42.000 boobs since i was a little kid i was like boobs like whoa okay making your point exactly like that

04:19:47.680 and that's not to say that like you can't actually want it you can't naturally want a labia plaster

04:19:51.440 or anything else yeah of course if you're feeling discomfort you're feeling discomfort with your

04:19:54.240 breasts but all in all unfortunately although you don't want to admit it you saw big boobs one

04:20:00.880 time maybe your mom had big boobs you don't have them at that time maybe you're 13 14 whatever age

04:20:05.360 it might have been said oh i want mommy's boobs i did the same thing when i was younger most girls do most

04:20:09.840 as do men with certain other i wanted my mother's boobs and i kept i kept feeling my chest and they

04:20:15.200 were never there there's abs or something of that sort and that's where it comes to it's just a

04:20:19.040 comparison unfortunately but it's not to say that you can't want it for yourself it's not to say

04:20:23.040 that you're just changing it for you you can do that i don't agree on that aspect that you're doing

04:20:26.400 it for a man or for anybody else but ultimately it's because you saw someone else and you're comparing

04:20:30.720 yourself i can see how much i can see how most of the time people could put themselves to

04:20:35.440 whether or not in comparison with someone else exactly so if i saw my mom's big boobs

04:20:39.200 when i was younger and i compared myself oh i'm flat tested i really want big boobs

04:20:43.040 i might not still think about her breasts in comparison to me now or wherever that may be

04:20:47.360 in two years after that but regardless because i once saw that and i once made that comparison or

04:20:52.160 made that little moment into my mind unfortunately that led to this weird feeling where i always want

04:20:58.480 big boobs because i've compared myself whether it be my mom whether it be my sister whether it be

04:21:01.840 whomever else that's just how it goes that's just a natural urge that a lot of women have

04:21:06.320 with the breast augmentations or other augmentations that they make well i guess last thing on the

04:21:10.720 plastic surgery thing i mean just for me i would prefer a woman who and i think a lot of a lot of

04:21:17.120 men feel the exact same way on this i'd prefer a woman with a small upper lip than with lip filler i'd

04:21:22.720 prefer a woman with flat or a cup breasts than big fake titties i'd prefer a woman with a little

04:21:29.200 belly fat than lipo belly i'd prefer a woman with a small small butt than bbl i respect that and also

04:21:39.360 i like that we talked about that i like that after that long monologue of just all sorts of like

04:21:44.160 disgusting physical you said you know i respect that brian i do i think that you know i respect i

04:21:49.680 don't respect we respect the preference like her and i respect that you like women how they are and

04:21:54.880 without having to do anything to change that that's what i respect i've never met a man who says that

04:21:59.360 he prefers a woman with lots of plastic surgery i've never once i met women who say you know what the

04:22:05.280 the guys who like push their girlfriends to get plastic surgery my this is advice for women that's a

04:22:14.400 red flag if the dudes are pushing does that happen yeah there are guys there are some guys that's a

04:22:19.920 no-no for me i don't know what they're doing but uh i mean i do want to say to any of any women

04:22:26.160 watching there are plenty of men who will appreciate you for you as you are you know you don't gotta

04:22:33.040 undergo these very expensive and oftentimes dangerous uh surgeries to be uh you know to yeah

04:22:39.520 and then because most of the time like yes that's so true and so beautifully said and everything

04:22:43.440 also just practically most of the time they make women look worse it's not that's also a good point

04:22:50.080 you lose your life to it a lot yeah unfortunately point good times we have a couple more things here

04:22:55.600 we have uh let's see we did the rating one to ten um i think everybody here was a pretty much a ten um

04:23:03.280 um i was going to be an eight but then you said i should bump it up which i appreciate

04:23:09.600 it's a bit yeah i'm an 11 not you but the whole ten thing okay we have uh oh we got some tweets we

04:23:15.680 got some people's tweets let's see the tweets uh nicolette here i always dip after my hookups and

04:23:21.200 this guy said i'm just like a man nicolette are you dipping after your hookups yes like you you like

04:23:28.960 hook up and then you're like peace out wait oh you know what oh wait you say you dip oh wait i got

04:23:35.280 something for you what you know usher usher peace up a town down like that's what you should next time

04:23:41.360 you have one of these hookups where you get the ick i want you to you know that song yeah by usher i

04:23:45.920 want you to be like peace up a town down baby do do do a town is that it it's peace up a town down

04:23:52.800 a town down as you're leaving okay i'll do it next time and just totally crushing a dude's spirit i got

04:23:58.880 it as you leave the hookup um that's gonna be someday like your grandkids you'll be like and

04:24:03.440 then the first time my gram grammy and grams hooked up she did the peace up a town down and just dipped

04:24:08.560 out like i hope that's not me my husband yeah and that's when he knew she was the one okay uh next

04:24:15.200 tweet nick we got some tweets men are stupid and i don't respect them hold on this kind of contradicts

04:24:23.920 i was going through it clearly clearly clearly who hurt you who hurt you nicolette i don't know

04:24:33.680 okay all right she's going through it she's going through it all right all right uh going to protest

04:24:39.600 today guys i can't stand by and not take advantage of my white privilege please pray for me and my

04:24:45.760 friends privilege i think that was during like the the the yeah it was big labia matter right

04:24:53.760 where it was of 2020. protest oh is the george floyd stuff so did you like burn down any buildings

04:25:00.880 or anything steal any sneakers or uh no i just wanted to see what's going on based do you have

04:25:05.760 white privilege i'm not even white so i was quite i wasn't going to ask but you don't seem but i look

04:25:10.640 white are you latina yeah can't you be a wait i don't know i'm not sure now they say you can

04:25:18.240 i don't know there's the ethnicity and the race i'm not educated enough sicilians are the blacks of

04:25:23.120 europe so i'm a little bit of both i have family that's well didn't they used to say that about the

04:25:27.040 irish too right yeah well there's a thing called black irish but it's not like black pale you know yeah

04:25:32.320 okay uh next nick i hate males nicolette wtf nicolette well i love them now it's her name what

04:25:42.560 happened uh that was when i was still with my ex so it's probably something about him

04:25:49.040 miss andrea is four years ago oh my gosh they're really going through the receipts

04:25:53.440 mine's all my ass so hopefully that's yours yours is my whole twitter it's just my ass no

04:26:00.720 i think i'm saying like i don't ever tweet anything except my ass i wouldn't date a man

04:26:05.920 who didn't respect me enough to let me do what i need to pay my bills oh we talked about this i

04:26:09.920 mean with the dating yeah men ain't shit nicolette june 17th 2020 uh what was going on

04:26:18.000 one in 2020 just probably my ex i wonder what he was talking about fauci probably yeah he's not

04:26:24.640 he wasn't on social media your ex or that's a green flag my ex that's a green flag if you're

04:26:30.640 not on social media as a guy well he's on a red flag isn't that green oh it's a green

04:26:35.280 it's a green flag like i want to date you more if you don't have social media i'm like oh my god

04:26:40.960 that's so hot yeah we got more tweets nick what do we got if you're a man i'm entitled to all of your

04:26:47.600 money so start sending nicolette that's the pay pig that's still valid that is entitled to all

04:26:55.600 i have a question for the ladies here let's say you met a guy who was you know i don't know the

04:27:01.760 simp or pay pig whatever it is and you knew like he he didn't he seemed a little off and he was

04:27:08.880 communicating he was sending you money but while he was sending you this money he communicated to you that

04:27:13.760 he was uh he was going bankrupt now would you take pause on taking his money no actually i've had

04:27:25.760 this experience at the strip club where this customer that i knew for like years was literally

04:27:31.840 going bankrupt he told me he was going bankrupt and i was like okay well you still need to pay me

04:27:36.160 like that's not my problem then you shouldn't be here yeah why are you going to the strip club

04:27:39.920 excuse me i agree but it's different you know like the strip club where he pays you like 10 bucks to

04:27:46.560 dance or whatever versus like it's not 10 bucks all right i don't know and also if you're going

04:27:50.080 bankrupt fucking run it up then well there's a kind of a logic that that's fair but would you what

04:27:57.760 about the one where they send you like 10 grand on twitter or whatever would you do that the guy's

04:28:01.680 going bankrupt and you'd say give me your last 10 000 that's not my fault if he if he is putting

04:28:08.160 himself in that position like what the fuck to go broke just to send you money yeah but he's it's

04:28:14.000 like obviously an addiction right you're probably like that's probably his fetish like we talked

04:28:17.440 about earlier he wants that attention so like it's not he's paying for my attention no it's like

04:28:22.080 at the end of the day it's not my fault it's not in my business or my if the guy said hey i'll give

04:28:26.160 you my last i'm going bankrupt i give you my last 10 bucks to buy crack would you sell him the crack

04:28:30.000 the crack yeah it's just they say it's a bit harmful addiction that's destroying this guy's

04:28:35.120 like would you want anyone to go broke like i wouldn't want to take someone's last 10 grand

04:28:39.280 like if if but if you're if you're pushing it on me to give it away that's not for me to sit there

04:28:45.280 and be like no i'm not taking this you cannot take it it is it actually is on you you could say i'm

04:28:50.240 not taking the if he's pushing it on me he's pushing it on me i'm like okay fine give me 9 500

04:28:56.000 that's that's that's very generous it's very charitable of you nicolette um all right next uh

04:29:03.520 next tweet we got uh hate small wait can you read this nicolette because i feel like it's gotta be

04:29:09.200 actually i know this one oh hate small talk with men just hit me up when you want to fuck bb

04:29:15.120 you're not a fan of small talk you just know because i don't care about your day i don't care

04:29:18.640 about your favorite color i feel like you sound you're so romantic you sound like a girl that

04:29:22.640 would get these are just guys i'm fucking though you're so romantic you sound like you would like

04:29:27.360 get a guy like purposely pregnant to trap him so he can pay you like yeah because girls do that

04:29:35.040 yeah like you would trap him you would give him a baby no just so he he can know no because i could

04:29:43.760 get a guy to pay me without a fucking baby i don't want a baby next but if he's a millionaire

04:29:49.840 if he's a billionaire next next then i'll just marry him no not really like i just don't need

04:29:56.320 we as women don't need to do all that like i'd rather just not have the money like a baby or all

04:30:00.880 this money with some guy that i don't actually give a shit about like i just don't need it that bad

04:30:05.440 next word next this guy's oh read it nicolette this guy told me i want your metal in my mouth

04:30:15.120 talking about my nipple piercings and it confirmed that i do in fact hate men what nicolette there's

04:30:21.360 a lot of man hating in your tweets here i was very angry around that fair enough too i don't know

04:30:26.480 around men like saying that stuff to me all the time you would yeah like if men wanted to suck

04:30:32.320 your people don't usually tweet that at me but you know if they did i would hate them this was

04:30:37.200 a guy i was hooking up with and he literally told me like as we're hooking up and i'm like you know

04:30:43.120 wait what okay yeah next uh the next one's stella who stella stella oh oh she she yeah yeah she wasn't

04:30:54.480 we got cindy here oh this is it this guy paid me oh oh yeah 10 000 to let me spit on him next time

04:31:07.120 i'm in i'm in la yeah that's fucking disgusting oh okay next there's there's no more tweets i thought

04:31:16.160 there were some tweets from get your bag what's fucking fire who else we got oh we got something

04:31:22.640 we got a tweet from maddie what's ain't none of y'all my ex he hits different of course i tweeted

04:31:28.480 that i don't even can you make that noise again sorry sorry sorry that was good um

04:31:37.120 it's true i would feel so uncomfortable it's true if i if i was dating a girl

04:31:43.520 and i saw she tweeted that that would just like forever burn i literally haven't dated in my brain

04:31:49.200 so i mean i don't know you're still in love with your ex-boyfriend i still love him a lot yeah

04:31:54.240 do you talk to him for him on and off so are you could you get back together not right now why not

04:32:00.640 not happening you don't need to tell me why but it's like on both ends there's reasons that

04:32:05.920 it would not happen right now but you still love him yeah of course i guess that's the ex who cheated

04:32:13.200 with your best friend fuck no this is the one i met after that one huh thank you for asking that

04:32:19.600 and making that clear because i don't want everyone thinking no yeah yeah yeah well that's nice i guess

04:32:24.080 it'd be nice is he it was the ex i met when i was like graduating high school like as a scene like

04:32:28.480 a senior in high school graduated is he like a good guy or no yeah he's a really good guy so you

04:32:32.640 should get back together not right now okay maybe in the future i i would love for that to happen in

04:32:39.040 the future but not right now okay i feel like you took your whole time too right you broke up with

04:32:45.280 you we did but in retrospect look it all works out in god's providence you know so i'm not saying you

04:32:50.400 know it happens when it's supposed to i guess but if it were up to me and my wife would say the same

04:32:55.600 thing we should have gotten back together much sooner and gotten married sooner and everything yeah

04:32:59.920 but hindsight's 2020 yeah it's just different now a little bit i don't know we'll see how it goes

04:33:05.360 yeah we have something here from cindy perhaps a few other of you um oh cindy you said you'd love

04:33:14.480 to talk about how it's hard to date as an only fan oh we kind of talked about that um my experience

04:33:19.440 in la if you're dating people it's that you have to meet someone in your caliber most relationship

04:33:23.360 people are in are in wait most relationship people are in are even real your words not mine

04:33:30.080 it just turns into a lustful relationship uh okay that didn't make a whole lot of sense but um

04:33:40.080 you're you you live in la right who else who lives in la you live in la

04:33:45.200 la nicolette orange county close enough close enough la no florida oh you're in arizona okay

04:33:51.840 yeah and you're in la yeah i am what about you guys are in atlanta we drove here from atlanta

04:33:57.360 you drove here we drove 38 hours and 48 hours 38 hours and 48 hours we were hallucinating like real

04:34:04.880 bad sweet right wow isn't it cheaper to just fly so she's moving out here so she had to bring

04:34:10.400 her car oh i see she wanted where are you moving to um san diego oh sd nice i like san diego that's

04:34:16.080 cool um did you stop in any cities on the way we stopped in dallas for the night i have a really

04:34:22.480 funny story from dallas you danced with a man there oh my god i did i almost i almost let him take me out

04:34:29.120 on a ski trip that's that five percent right there okay it was cute so i'm sitting here truth comes out

04:34:36.320 this guy comes up asks maddie to country dance i don't even know what they do yeah they're like

04:34:40.880 line dancing and i'm like i'll go i don't know how to dance but you can take me out like and i

04:34:46.000 i don't know this guy comes up to me he looks really country as a hat on and boots and he's like

04:34:52.960 you want to dance with me and i'm like i don't know how to dance and he's like i do i'll teach you

04:34:57.360 so he picks me up and he starts spinning around we start dancing i'm asking him questions and i'm like

04:35:03.120 what do you do we're just talking i ask him how old he is he's 28 then he shows me his instagram

04:35:08.640 because he wants mine and i see he like has skiing pictures so i'm like oh do you ski or snowboard he's

04:35:13.280 like i ski i was like me too he was like when was the last time you've been i was like three weeks ago

04:35:18.800 why he's like because you know i'm going to breckenridge in two weeks and i want to fly you out

04:35:23.840 like i know i just met you and this is really forward but i want to fly you out you should go you're

04:35:27.360 gonna go no because as he said that he spit on my face people pay good money for that no

04:35:32.800 as you said that he is leaking on my face it's the most repulsive thing i ever heard and drunk

04:35:38.560 me is trying to stay interested because this man just offered to take me to breckenridge and i love

04:35:42.640 skiing so i'm like he also asked if i wanted to go too i was like i'll go there at least you should

04:35:47.600 go no no i'm only going oh it's a package he liked her so i was like and i was her i was there as her

04:35:52.240 friend so i got invited to go too yeah he wouldn't be alone i used let's go for it yeah i used my dad's

04:35:57.520 an excuse i was like my dad's really strict you'll have to ask him if you remember me in the morning

04:36:01.520 then i'll let you take me he remembered but he did oh good but the whole he spit in my face that

04:36:06.560 was where it sounds like it was accidental though it was accidental but still disgusting and i just

04:36:10.720 can't did he have like a zin or something yeah was there dip does anyone have zin right now i think

04:36:17.520 so i think it was just organic i have my babe i'm good okay should we smoke yes

04:36:25.840 is that that's the story though that was the that was the story oh nick can you pull up cindy's

04:36:30.000 instagram we do have to uh i want michael's input on this um so who here is religious just curious

04:36:37.200 i believe in god believe in god but like are you christian or or more just you generally so yeah

04:36:44.880 wait cindy you're christian yeah i believe in god i see you're wearing a cross there i am catholic

04:36:52.800 catholic okay i was gonna ask you do you still think that i should wear a cross when i'm making

04:36:58.160 my of content well we had a sort of viral exchange about that the first thing i wanted to first bring

04:37:04.000 up bring up is your instagram nick if you're able to bring up her what the hell wait nick make it

04:37:08.080 bigger make it bigger like zoom it in just to the top i don't i don't need to see the photos

04:37:12.640 you got it nick it's all good cindy zhang god first now right below god first in your instagram

04:37:23.840 profile is a link to your website which inevitably re pretty much redirects essentially to your only

04:37:30.160 fans account where you make pornographic content that's interesting to me so god first

04:37:36.800 it's almost i don't know if it's if that meets the definition of blasphemy but literally below

04:37:44.000 it is a link to your pornographic content

04:37:48.960 explain that to me make that make sense there's nothing wrong with the content i make and i don't

04:37:58.240 think god is shaming me for anything that i am doing right now so okay nothing wrong yeah that's not

04:38:05.680 the best answer but a good answer what do you want me to say well you might say hypocrisy is

04:38:09.840 the tribute vice-based virtue and you know you believe in god but you're kind of doing things

04:38:13.760 that maybe are contrary to that but you're kind of working on it and so i wouldn't you know the

04:38:18.240 better thing to do would be keep the necklace and you know give up the only fan stuff but the fact

04:38:22.160 that you've got that reminder there is probably good because it's a reminder that we we worship the

04:38:29.280 things that we spend all of our time and our affection on right and so you can come to worship

04:38:34.160 money and you come to worship sex and you come to worship all sorts of false gods or you can worship

04:38:38.160 the real god and and furthermore you become what you worship so the when you worship something you

04:38:44.640 just become more like it and uh and you're torn between two gods right so you're and and you're

04:38:50.720 reaching two gods there's only one god right well they're false gods there are plenty of false

04:38:54.880 gods right we make false gods out of money and sex and vanity and ourselves anything that you're

04:38:59.120 putting above god okay yeah so you and you're kind of it seems to me i'm not putting anything above

04:39:03.760 god god is first and i like i pray every single day i'm very blessed with my job he actually blessed

04:39:09.040 me with everything i came from nothing literally but like you know if you believe in god and you

04:39:15.120 think that like uh you believe in like the christian god yes yeah yeah okay so then you know you would

04:39:21.360 say well um so there's god and then there's satan what i should have said on the other podcast was that

04:39:27.680 satan is trying to sway you from believing in god the question that i asked was uh so i think it was

04:39:38.320 well my question i think the first question was do you think god wants wants you making porn

04:39:44.240 to your and your answer was i said okay the first time i said yes but and then what i wanted to

04:39:53.120 just change my risk like i think that there's nothing wrong with what i what i do and um

04:40:03.280 well the the exchange we had my my follow-up question was if god wants you to be a porn star

04:40:09.520 what do you think satan wants

04:40:14.880 say say it wants you to sway you from believing in god's purpose

04:40:18.320 okay but your risk your response was satan would want you to not do porn and god would want you to

04:40:27.440 do porn yeah my response was that but like i understand what you're saying like people are

04:40:35.200 can be lusting over porn and like sex work content you obviously don't really that's their that's their

04:40:40.960 choice but what i'm doing i'm not harming anybody but but the the religion that you profess to believe in

04:40:47.760 doesn't just boil down to hey don't harm anybody that's that's just like libertarianism you know

04:40:52.960 the religion that you say that you believe in has ten commandments the sixth of which is uh to not

04:40:59.200 commit adultery and the god that you profess to believe in says that if you look on a woman with

04:41:04.080 lust that is the same as adultery and the religion that you profess to believe in has a sexual ethic that

04:41:10.880 that accompanies it and so you might say well i don't believe in any of that stuff i just believe in

04:41:15.520 a version of that that god that i've fashioned after my own preferences but that gets to the

04:41:20.880 very point we were just talking about which is you're in this struggle between which god you're

04:41:24.320 you're going to worship and i can tell you're struggling with that because you you protest too

04:41:28.880 much you put in your bio i put god first right among all of this kind of lusty stuff and so you're

04:41:34.320 struggling with it a lot of people struggle with that not struggling with it i pray every day i believe

04:41:38.800 you pray every day and i i still stand by the fact that he's blessed like ever since i got baptized and i

04:41:44.880 start following god's path he's blessed me with every opportunity i have been given to me and i'm

04:41:50.800 very grateful i would not like sit here and like say that he hasn't done anything for me and like i'm

04:41:57.840 not grateful or anything like that but like with the fact of like um you know like sinning from lusting

04:42:06.640 and watching i get all that but that's their choice at the end of the day not mine um and yeah like i don't

04:42:14.400 think god oh you're saying it's only it's only a sin to look at the porn not to produce the porn

04:42:22.000 i'm not making porn on like on my only fans so i mean you kind of are aren't you

04:42:30.960 like being naked is considered a sin it's well it's it's considered porn yeah yeah we all sin though

04:42:38.320 every day we do i'm just saying look i'm not knocking you i'm not judging you i'm just saying you you the

04:42:43.280 fact that you would have that on this page that has a bunch of porn on you say but i put god first

04:42:47.840 i to me would imply that you are struggling between what i'm not struggling so says you i'm not i'm not

04:42:56.160 struggling i believe in god every day and i'm i i bet you do to a large degree but when those two things

04:43:04.400 come into conflict when you say i believe in god i believe in the bible i believe in christianity and

04:43:08.240 god in the bible and christianity say hey don't engage in promiscuity and sexual immorality and

04:43:15.440 you know sex outside of marriage and this that and the other thing uh you're you have to face a choice

04:43:21.120 well do do i pursue that god or the god of do as thou wilt and go have sex and go produce porn or

04:43:29.040 whatever those things are going to come into conflict and so you have to come to a decision and you can you

04:43:33.040 can pick one or the other but that will become your god and you will become more like the god that you

04:43:37.200 worship okay well i worship a god that like walks on earth with grace and dignity and um i feel nothing

04:43:48.960 wrong with what i'm doing right now do you really not so then how do you answer like the sixth commandment

04:43:56.000 how do i answer six what is the sixth commandment thou shalt not commit adultery and more broadly

04:44:02.560 speaking uh sexual immorality if if the if your chosen profession is sexual immorality how do you

04:44:11.120 reconcile that with the the faith okay but still like there's nothing wrong with that even people who

04:44:17.360 are the religion says there is something wrong with that and you say you believe in the religion

04:44:21.920 so so then you got then you might say well i actually don't believe in the religion but you

04:44:25.920 but you just said i do i do believe in god so so then how do you reconcile those that conflict

04:44:32.720 there's nothing to reconcile because the religion says don't do this you say i'm going to do this

04:44:37.680 how do you write you have to reconcile that or or you have to say i don't believe in the one i

04:44:42.560 only believe in the other he's not god you don't have to like i'm just saying like there's really

04:44:50.080 nothing take take what applies take what applies number one drop whatever doesn't too

04:44:54.800 number one if that makes you happy we all that's the second number two which is you know make a god

04:44:59.600 out of yourself and your own autonomy number two you don't really know me i'm i'm not judging you in

04:45:04.880 any way i'm just asking but of the information that he has based off you know you wear a cross

04:45:09.840 while you shoot your okay and you can make that judgment and i'm not making any judgment you've made i'm

04:45:14.320 not you've made you are you've made two statements and they contradict each other right you said i

04:45:19.760 believe in god i believe in the christian religion i believe in the bible and the ten commandments and

04:45:24.480 all the rest of it and i believe that the thing that i'm doing that is explicitly prohibited by my

04:45:31.520 religion is good and i'm saying you can only believe one of those two things coherently because

04:45:38.000 they contradict one another and and i'm i'm not knocking you i'm not saying you have to make an account of

04:45:42.560 your life or anything i actually believe you're most likely already struggling with that because

04:45:46.640 you have both of those things very explicitly i'm not struggling actually and it's and it would be

04:45:51.360 unusual for people in your profession to have that kind of a profession of faith at the top and i think

04:45:56.240 it's good that you have it i think it's good that you wear the cross and i think it's good that you're

04:45:58.640 praying but you're going to have to reconcile that conflict eventually i don't think i have to reconcile

04:46:05.680 anything like i still think that like god gave me this opportunity to do what i do um and i'm very

04:46:14.560 happy wait god gave you the opportunity to make pornographic content adult content oh excuse me adult

04:46:21.600 content um do you wear you wear do you wear your cross while you're making the pornographic content

04:46:27.200 like is it is it in the final product i wear my like if you're distributing you wear it everywhere

04:46:34.240 you go sure but if you're distributing videos and photos you're making a video it's gonna you know

04:46:38.480 yeah not oh what am i gonna take it off when i'm like right because then you would have to acknowledge

04:46:44.480 that there's a problem i'd say i wear a scapular and it's just like a catholic catholic version of that

04:46:48.800 right here and uh if i'm going to commit a sin or something i i feel an impulse to uh take it off because

04:46:55.680 i think oh it's kind of sacrilegious if i'm like committing and but then then i think like well

04:46:59.680 i probably just shouldn't commit the sin right you know and then i don't need to reconcile it but it

04:47:03.120 is that kind of and i also wear it just because i feel like i'm protected um and god always it's a

04:47:10.400 symbol of a broader grace from god yes definitely and there's only one god and i i don't not like

04:47:18.160 not doing any of that what you're saying you think that the the prohibitions of sexual immorality

04:47:25.440 in the bible are just optional it's not optional it's you have to follow his path and his words and

04:47:35.360 not to lie steal and all those stuff those are not good um i don't like i don't partake in those acts

04:47:43.920 uh and but you you do i'm like i'm not telling tales out of school you do partake in sexual immorality

04:47:51.200 it's your job so you're saying okay the lying is bad i'm going to follow that one the stealing is

04:47:56.480 bad i'm going to follow that one but the sixth commandment we're going to skip over that one

04:48:00.240 and uh what's the seventh one yeah i'll do that one that one too is that it you're saying some of

04:48:04.720 it's optional and some of it's mandatory or or you're saying that you have a conflict and you're

04:48:09.360 just trying to work it out which is probably actually what's going on i'm not but i enjoy what i do so

04:48:16.240 i really don't like i really do not think that there's anything wrong with

04:48:24.880 my job so if the if the bible says it is that there is something wrong then you don't believe

04:48:30.320 the bible not everything in the bible is true everything in the bible is not everything is you

04:48:40.240 you say you pray all the time but you forget the important part listening maybe god brought you

04:48:46.240 here to realize the mistakes you're making and change instead you get defensive and don't listen

04:48:52.800 hey nickelodeon thank you for the uh tts thank you for the tts well you uh if you guys want to

04:48:58.080 continue on i mean i think you're actually making a very interesting point um i mean since you do want

04:49:02.960 to respond he michael michael was saying that well if the bible says acts but you it sounds like you

04:49:08.480 don't believe in i don't want to if you want to restate your point sure you you're saying i don't

04:49:14.880 don't have a conflict here i don't think anything that i'm doing is wrong but the bible says that

04:49:19.360 the thing you're doing is wrong and so again i'm not not thumping on the bible here i'm just

04:49:23.920 trying to make sense of the two things you've said that are that contradict one another okay

04:49:32.160 me partaking in adult content is contradicting what the bible says about sexual immorality

04:49:38.800 sexual immorality okay uh or you know the woman at the well or you know right any number of books

04:49:44.400 of the old testament right so i should i just feel like even like people who are a prostitute

04:49:51.120 who like whatever like in sexual content they're they're really not doing anything wrong like at

04:49:56.400 the end of the day but christianity says they are and christianity says you're welcome to come in

04:50:00.000 and you are afforded the grace of god and you can have redemption and what but christianity also

04:50:04.240 says go forth and sin no more so is her choice to then reject the religion uh well i wouldn't

04:50:11.360 recommend that okay i would recommend keeping your faith do you think that god loves everyone yes

04:50:19.120 okay so but god loves you too much to keep you as you are this is the reality of it and so i'm not

04:50:24.960 suggesting you abandon your faith at all i'm suggesting you abandon the things that you're

04:50:28.560 doing that contradict your professed faith because otherwise you won't actually have your faith you'll

04:50:33.520 you'll have confused you will have deluded yourself into telling yourself you believe in

04:50:38.160 this religion when you consciously reject important parts of it well there's a lot of important parts

04:50:45.040 of believing and you should believe all in the religion yeah are you christian or catholic

04:50:50.000 well you know believe it or not uh catholics are christian some would call us the okay

04:50:54.880 but like original and perhaps exclusive i was just asking for clarification okay no you're right

04:51:00.560 i'm a little sassy i get a little defensive but i'm not even religious but i was just getting

04:51:06.160 clarification wait can we at least cindy what do you think about this proposal right okay could you at

04:51:12.640 least i'm not gonna even ask you to remove the link or the god first at least put like two spaces

04:51:20.240 in between like maybe put like i'm in los angeles you know like put like a no here's here's like a

04:51:27.920 location pin i'm in la only god can judge her okay and then maybe like another line which is like i

04:51:34.880 don't know um i'm uh i barely know i like that it's there why are you asking me i like that it's

04:51:41.680 there for my social media i like it i like that it's there and i like that you wear the cross because

04:51:46.160 it's a reminder and you said well if i'm doing a thing that's bad maybe i'd be tempted to take

04:51:50.800 the cross off but i'm not going to take it off i like wearing it this is a symbol of god's grace

04:51:54.720 and that's all true but then the symbol should should act on you maybe two lines is all i'm asking

04:52:01.360 two lines located in los angeles can we look at your instagram what does your instagram look like

04:52:08.640 it's really not that interesting look okay maybe maybe i mean we could we could pull it up if you

04:52:13.600 want we can it's uh that's fine and maybe like you're an aquarium i don't know why you're judging

04:52:18.720 like my instagram bio it's just like oh look at that uh okay uh founder of big labia matter

04:52:25.440 founder of know.org live in santa barbara and then a link to my uh whatever.com

04:52:32.800 you don't like the beard one yeah it's like okay ryan bin atlas or something yeah there you go i

04:52:39.600 never will grow a beard that long again but it was a period of i was going through uh exploratory

04:52:47.520 becoming an eastern orthodox priest pretty much exactly it looks like danville's

04:52:51.120 michael can i ask you some questions you can do you think that being um in the christian religion

04:52:57.440 relies more on following the rules of the bible or having a personal and close relationship with god

04:53:02.640 i don't see a difference between the two you know really yeah because our faith is incarnational so our

04:53:08.480 lord comes down and is born on christmas and lives for 33 years and is goes through his passion and is

04:53:14.640 crucified died and buried and on the third day he rises again and he roams the earth for 40 days and

04:53:20.560 ascends to god the father in heaven and so he leaves on earth a physical expression of his body which is

04:53:26.400 the church and he says to saint peter you are now peter simon and on this rock i'll build my church and

04:53:31.200 the gates of hell will not prevail against it i give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven what you

04:53:34.880 bind on earth will be bound in heaven what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven you have

04:53:37.680 the power to forgive sins whose sins you forgive are forgiven whose sins you retain and retain and so

04:53:42.400 he says when you meet you know uh this is my body which will be given up for you this this wine is my

04:53:48.480 blood which will be given up for you and uh consume this in memory of me a living sacrifice so he

04:53:53.520 institutes all these sacraments confession the eucharist he institutes a physical church with real

04:53:59.280 people and and so god uh god's grace and his relation to us is has a physical form it's not

04:54:05.840 just like floating in ether you know and the physical form of that is the church that has

04:54:09.600 endured throughout the ages uh and the against which the gates of hell will not prevail what would

04:54:14.400 you say to the 20 year old michael that was watching porn i would say there were a lot worse

04:54:19.520 things probably that uh 20 year old michael was engaging in and i would say cut it out i have another

04:54:26.080 question for you do you feel like as time has gone on and new concepts and new words um have been

04:54:34.480 created and the bible has been translated over and over again do you feel like the bible today is god's

04:54:39.680 original word for us yeah i think it's inerrant and i think that the church is preserved from error

04:54:45.040 you know in dogmatic teachings by a divine grace because our lord says i will never leave the church you

04:54:50.720 know i i will be with you even until the end of the age and i will send the the paraclete send the holy

04:54:54.880 spirit down to the church and so yeah i know it's really odd because institutions decay and change

04:55:00.320 over time the translation thing is not as big an issue i mean if you i go to a traditional latin mass

04:55:05.840 and so we use the latin vulgate and so that you know saint jerome translated that one it goes back

04:55:10.880 pretty far um but uh you know hilaire belloc had a good line which is he said i have to believe that

04:55:17.440 the catholic church is divinely instituted by my faith but for those who don't believe a proof of

04:55:22.400 its divine institution is that no other institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have

04:55:27.200 lasted a fortnight so actually the fact that so many leaders of the church have just been incompetent

04:55:33.120 and done bad things and the fact that the faith remains this is the most enduring institution ever in

04:55:38.080 the history of the world two thousand years it's just it boggles the mind that this thing still exists

04:55:42.960 uh is seems to me a good sign that actually the church is preserved from error at least in the long run

04:55:49.120 um how do you feel about the catholic church removing several books from the bible you're

04:55:56.080 you're confusing that with the protestants i think the protestants removed uh six books from the bible

04:56:01.040 i could be wrong one was called the book of jubilee i'm i think another one oh so the catholic church

04:56:06.400 codifies the bible right the canon the canon of the bible it's not like that existed you know before

04:56:10.640 the church the canon of the bible is is many books of the bible are written obviously after the

04:56:15.760 resurrection and so there are all these different books out there and some books seem legit and some

04:56:21.120 books don't seem legit so there's a book like the heretical gospel of thomas which if you've ever

04:56:25.680 read it it's pretty wacky and that book is not included in the canon of the bible but the the reason for

04:56:30.800 that is that the church in her wisdom comes together in ecumenical councils and codifies the bible very

04:56:37.120 early on in in antiquity and excludes certain books obviously you're not include every book in the bible

04:56:41.920 and includes others and so uh i i think having read some of the books that were excluded uh that

04:56:47.840 the church acted with great wisdom but how do you know if sinful men and a church of this world are the

04:56:54.080 is the one that deleted it's a it's a church that you you must believe uh has a divine protection to

04:57:01.280 preserve her from error or or she's just not the church so this church basically has

04:57:06.000 the decision of god to delete these books yeah the the the church has the ability well not to

04:57:13.440 the books were never there to delete right the church assembles the canon of the bible and includes

04:57:18.000 certain books and excludes other books and also the you know it doesn't include the egyptian book

04:57:21.440 of the dead either but there are plenty of books that wouldn't include so the bible was made by man

04:57:24.960 then it was their decision to include some books and delete some books and no it didn't delete

04:57:30.400 anything the bible was i mean certain like protestant reformers reformers later on erased books of the

04:57:35.840 bible but the the bible was was put together by the holy catholic church so there was no deletion

04:57:41.520 going on but there was an assembly of the of the bible with all of these books and yes that it was uh

04:57:47.440 done by man because our lord becomes man he is fully god but he takes on flesh and he institutes

04:57:52.720 a church made up of men who have their own failings but who have received a divine protection

04:57:57.520 if you believe what our lord says it's a divine intervention yeah

04:58:01.600 okay okay i respect that opinion all right i disagree but i respect that so there's something

04:58:13.280 to mull on we can discuss it over the cigar when we're all having cigars after the show i would

04:58:17.360 disagree too i disagree yeah what would you what would you disagree with i think i'm more i think

04:58:23.840 i'm sorry i think religion is very it can be a very toxic thing um i think if it's false it certainly

04:58:29.680 can yeah not necessarily if it's false i think um men are sinners and putting together groups of

04:58:37.760 sinners um obviously it's going to have disagreements and fallbacks and things that

04:58:45.120 not everyone is going to agree on and people are going to come at other people but i think

04:58:51.280 at the end of the day it's been i don't deny that there is a god

04:58:55.440 um but i think there's been thousands of years and thousands of years in different interpretations

04:59:01.200 of the bible and even within my 16 years of church and christian school um i would go back and translate

04:59:08.560 these texts and even if it's like small things i've seen some small you would translate like the greek

04:59:14.960 and hebrew of the bible the best of my abilities yeah to the best of my abilities very impressive i don't

04:59:19.440 have ancient greek and ancient hebrew i don't have i don't have that i barely speak italian and a

04:59:23.680 little french just as far back as i could translate it i used to be very interested in the bible and

04:59:28.320 i think you would what do you mean as far back as you could translate it like as far back as humans

04:59:32.880 have the capability to translate the most ancient texts that we're able to translate like the septuagen

04:59:39.360 for instance i'm just very impressed i there are very few people who have a working command

04:59:43.840 it was shortly after i came out as um lesbian and it was when i was getting a lot of pushback from

04:59:52.240 my school i actually got kicked out of my of my private school for it so it was something that me

04:59:57.520 and my old stepmom used to do she was like if you're really sinning then you know this is something

05:00:02.240 we're going to sit down and figure out together and we sat down and translated every bible verse to

05:00:06.720 the best of our ability that had the word homosexual and homosexual wasn't even a word it said no man

05:00:12.160 shall lay with a boy that's what it was talking about in a lot of those verses so i think a lot

05:00:16.080 of it i don't think that's really true but saint paul also mentions well that's just that's my

05:00:19.280 personal opinion and my research to the best of my abilities it was a few years ago and maybe i'd

05:00:24.160 come to a different conclusion now but um yeah so that's the question is one of the question is one

05:00:29.840 of authority you know so you're saying well look i went back and to the best of my command of

05:00:34.480 ancient greek and hebrew i translated these books of the bible and and i think that's a good exercise

05:00:39.200 my friend drew clavin learned ancient greek to read the gospel of john like five years ago

05:00:43.840 but you know if i had to trust your translation or say um saint jerome or somebody i'd probably go

05:00:50.160 not only with saint jerome but then it gets to a question of authority who has the ultimate

05:00:54.400 authority who has the keys to the kingdom of heaven saint peter and his successors in the holy catholic

05:00:58.320 church or you or me i think i have slightly different opinions because when i was christian it was

05:01:04.080 non-denominational christian so um yeah but i do think um with my own relationship with god i'm

05:01:12.960 more spiritual less religious um but i do feel like my relationship with god has more to do with

05:01:19.440 just talking to him in the daily and you know like knowing what is for good and what is not and

05:01:26.640 knowing that he's going to drive me to do what is good and tell me the imagination of man man's heart

05:01:31.360 is inclined to evil from his youth so you know i i think it's great to pray and have personal prayer

05:01:36.400 i engage in personal prayer but the term spiritual but not religious that is the description of a

05:01:43.120 demon you know because religion is the habit of virtue that inclines the will to give to god the

05:01:47.680 worship he deserves so you don't have to read the bible and go to church every sunday to believe in god

05:01:53.040 no you don't but if you do believe in god and you believe in the christian religion then you would

05:01:57.120 also do i think it just has to do with different opinions between us i see your point but i think

05:02:01.200 my personal opinion is i think the bible is not i think it's reliable but i do not think it's a

05:02:07.920 hundred percent the same way that gonda intended it to be why not why do you even think it's reliable

05:02:15.040 because you know it has a lot of questions of morals and stuff like that and just basic goodness and

05:02:24.080 but i mean it can be taken as a lot of the stories is a fairy tale and it's kind of up to you to

05:02:30.880 determine what god meant as you know well there aren't any fairy tales there are like parables

05:02:36.560 and there are there is wisdom literature literally and what god means not literally and i think through

05:02:41.440 a lot of translations what's the difference literal meanings and literal meetings meanings of the text

05:02:47.680 i mean literally as in how he used parables to express like stories the issue is though i'm being a

05:02:53.440 little cheeky about it but the word literal refers to letters which are symbols and so i you know

05:02:57.680 we're talking about a faith where the where the second person of the trinity it's a bit cheeky

05:03:02.000 um we're talking about spiritual people a demon no i'm saying i'm not saying spiritual people are

05:03:07.760 demons i'm saying that spiritual but not religious is a description of the demonic because demons are

05:03:13.600 spirits that don't worship god and religion is to what if i do i'm sorry i missed the rest of the

05:03:18.640 conversation but like what if you do believe in god but you're not tied to one specific religion

05:03:24.080 well then uh which god are you worshiping whatever god it is well religion will be will

05:03:31.680 provide the answer to that question one way or the other but you know you can't worship all of them at

05:03:36.000 the same time so you know religion does constrict certain things as a lot of people today would say

05:03:41.840 well i don't want it to constrict certain things but you know poems need um limits in order to be

05:03:48.320 beautiful you know countries need borders in order to be a country and uh the worship if you worship

05:03:53.760 one god that means you are excluding other gods from your worship which means you're picking one

05:03:57.840 religion over the other whether you like it or not but god himself is not a religion and no religion is

05:04:04.240 worshiping god the way that he deserves that's the basic meaning of religion yeah you did say you did

05:04:11.360 say one but i am worshiping it worshiping it wait you did say one thing about how men men sin what do

05:04:18.320 you mean only men sin i was just a little i think it was man oh mankind does that i meant mankind i see

05:04:24.320 okay okay okay the gender neutral man i see okay we actually have a clip related to this then we do

05:04:29.920 have to wrap up here pretty soon in hopefully a couple minutes uh nick there was a this is somewhat

05:04:35.200 related to the religious talk nicolette you had a back and forth with chase about how

05:04:41.120 uh you're you do porn but you're still a christian if i were those your words something like that

05:04:48.800 something like that yeah okay you're it's your christian woman yeah so you certainly can be you

05:04:56.240 know i am sorry i'm just like i'm tired yeah no you certainly yeah i am okay like it's if you're

05:05:05.360 sin you know christian sin yeah so that but yeah you wouldn't want to like you wouldn't try to say

05:05:11.120 it's a virtue christian all all people sin yeah yeah like sin is a thing since day one since adam and

05:05:17.600 it's like day two day two okay yeah when you get technical yeah yeah um for me

05:05:25.840 sin is sin and i was i was raised up with the beliefs that god sees all sin on the same level

05:05:34.560 and that sin is sin but that's not um biblical wait nick the video the video is in the dropbox

05:05:41.280 podcast videos but i do believe that every like uh dt 33 has their consequences right um if you lie

05:05:49.360 if you steal there's zero consequences not good you know karma is real no karma is totally fake

05:05:56.480 at the end of the day everybody is real at the end of the day everybody sins and not one person is

05:06:00.960 why do you think karma is not real because because the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike and

05:06:05.120 we lament often in our lives that the evil flourish and the good suffer uh so it's not just you know

05:06:11.120 what you're describing is a a false religion of the self which says that so you don't believe that when

05:06:16.880 you do bad to other people that doesn't come i think that when i think that when you sin it has

05:06:22.480 both eternal and temporal effects that it unleashes and i i agree that sinners often get their their

05:06:28.800 comeuppance but they don't always get their comeuppance and people and the most virtuous

05:06:32.640 people in the world suffer sometimes more than you know what like i also do what i do because

05:06:37.200 it's just a lot safer when i used to work for parts like at a part-time job as a hostess i would get

05:06:42.320 harassed either by my boss or people customers i think my job is safe i'm not under like i don't have to

05:06:50.240 meet up with these people everything is just online it might maybe it's i mean some of us would maybe

05:06:55.520 disagree that it's safer because there's like the stalkers and all that kind of stuff i don't have

05:06:59.280 like i mean i know stalkers are real but regardless well like there are safe things you can do that

05:07:05.360 are not not preferable or not ideal do we have a clip let's a clip we'll read a couple chats and

05:07:12.560 one more thing and then we'll try to wrap here uh okay you can play it if any young women are watching

05:07:18.800 please do not model your lifestyle after her thank you very much and that's from the christian

05:07:23.600 man yes i'm looking out for you young ladies i'm not judging you if you ever that's fine but if you

05:07:28.880 ever want to get married there's a lot of young girls out there who want to get married someday if

05:07:32.160 pictures of yourself doing sexual things are all over the internet your husband and your kids will

05:07:36.000 not appreciate that what are your kids gonna think of this i think northwest is doing just fine

05:07:41.440 yeah she's living her life kanye's yeah yeah she's doing great with her mom i mean given the option

05:07:48.560 between a mom who has porn on the internet versus one who doesn't have porn on the internet i would

05:07:53.040 prefer if all of my friends couldn't see my mom fucking other dudes and sucking their dicks i still

05:07:58.000 consider myself a christian i still consider myself a christian i believe that jesus died on the cross for

05:08:03.920 my sins and i'm not a fucking judgmental person like you where was all this smoke we needed more

05:08:12.000 of the smoke tonight nicolette uh well i'll just say that chase is a fucking hypocrite after that

05:08:18.960 podcast he literally admitted that he watches porn so did what oh if i'm going this is not fair chase

05:08:26.560 is not here to defend himself i will not allow this hearsay you just asked for the smoke she brought

05:08:33.520 yeah real quick can you see the last line again yes i said if i'm going to hell then i will see chase

05:08:40.320 there like neither of you need to go to hell oh you know okay all right okay i don't know about that

05:08:48.000 hearsay you strike that from the record that's very unfair very unfair very unfair chase is not here

05:08:53.280 all right wow okay she does not all right i'm awake would you date chase no i don't like white

05:09:00.720 guys no i thought you said you had all that white privilege that's why you want to get rid of the

05:09:05.600 white privilege what uh which do you prefer i like hispanic guys oh they can be white though we

05:09:11.360 determined there's race ethnicity it's all very confusing all right we have a chat here from our

05:09:17.280 friend nevek michael you started me on the road to cross the tiber and saint justin's writings

05:09:23.120 brought me all the way home other than the blessed mother who's your favorite saint in general i'm

05:09:27.920 very partial to the thomas's because when i was 13 i picked i was getting confirmed but i was an

05:09:32.560 atheist and my mother told me i was going through a phase and i should get confirmed anyway and she

05:09:36.000 was right so i picked thomas because thomas was the doubting saint even though he well that's like

05:09:40.720 not totally fair to him but i also can't remember if i picked him or thomas aquinas because i didn't

05:09:44.720 really know the difference but thomas means twin so it was perhaps providential give you two answers

05:09:49.840 for one question all right do you feel like that sacrament then is like no because the sacrament's

05:09:55.040 not contingent on just like my fields you know the sacrament if you really believe that yeah i

05:10:00.800 also physical and the metaphysical right so i think yeah even even if i'm being a jerk during it i think

05:10:05.600 it counts the thought of you not wanting to do it though in that moment like it just kind of sounds

05:10:10.720 contradictory to me no it's really i think it's glory to god that the sacraments uh rest mostly on his

05:10:17.120 grace and not on our efforts that's right naomi interesting that's right i'm also at least in

05:10:23.200 my view yeah what'd you say i'm also confirmed i wanted to be confirmed right all right hey here i am

05:10:28.720 this is a largely catholic panel we're cool man that's i love that yeah we got nickelodeon here they

05:10:34.240 use your removed uh genital skin for skin grafts my brother was born with no eyelids so they used

05:10:41.120 hold on here what they used his four skin to create eyelids it came out okay he was a little

05:10:46.480 cockeyed it's good i like it thank you nickelodeon sorry that it took us a while to get to it um we

05:10:52.800 have curtis oh that's so that's good yeah i liked it curtis leone brian there were a lot of tents

05:10:59.760 today pull out the makeup remover who is worthy of taking the challenge brian when are you going to

05:11:03.520 start having the whatever only fans after show real raw and uncut uh i saw how you pulled out a

05:11:10.320 makeup makeup remover you want to you want to wipe off wow we do have some uh neutrogena i would love

05:11:16.000 to take my makeup off i'm like sweating yeah i will too do you have sweatpants too seriously

05:11:20.640 yeah while we're at it yeah like a sandwich i could eat why don't we why don't we do the makeup

05:11:25.280 we got some food and a hair tie still a tent after you guys actually want to do this cindy you

05:11:32.000 want yeah i do but i don't want it i'm very particular about my makeup or we could just try

05:11:36.720 to get through the otherwise i would wait let's ask the chat chat do you guys want to should we

05:11:41.680 should we do it yeah should we do it chat do we have them take their makeup off if not i'm doing

05:11:47.360 it when i leave one in the chat one in the chat if you want them to take it off too from the chat if

05:11:51.040 it's just i am i use korean i'm disruptive to the show face wipes it's gonna happen i do show

05:11:56.640 remove your implants yes okay okay so who wants one me i can't use it i'll break out yeah okay

05:12:04.640 i'm very particular about my skincare is it just me and sophia sweet i thought i used korean

05:12:11.440 unless you have like korean skincare i'm not some guy in the chat goes michael you should have eaten

05:12:16.320 11 hours ago but no it's okay brian got me a chicken thing a chicken i'm not starving

05:12:21.040 thank you that's good all right there we go uh let's see oh my okay we have what was the last

05:12:27.440 thing we had to do uh oh the last thing was just uh does body count matter

05:12:35.520 if it matters to you then that's awesome but for a guy you know okay so i don't want a guy that's ran

05:12:41.680 through you know like yeah like a homosexual what are you a guy that's ran through what do you mean

05:12:47.120 like a guy that's a lot of girls yeah okay yeah not that he himself but i do prefer a guy with

05:12:56.240 experience can you by the way when when you guys are can you hold the the wipes up to the

05:13:02.080 the so we're like one cheek in right now wow that's wow that's a lot of paint that's like me

05:13:09.920 after my show every day i listen i'm not about it oh they cake me really they give you you've got i

05:13:16.320 mean i'm up close you got flawless skin stop you don't that's the olive oil you don't need it okay

05:13:21.760 um thanks do you have makeup on right now body count i probably still have some from my show but

05:13:26.480 not body count do you object to men caring about a woman's body count a lot of women say well that's

05:13:31.360 you shouldn't care that's insecure i don't wouldn't you want a woman who's sexually

05:13:35.520 experienced i think that's a guy who like is gonna want to end up with me in the end is gonna

05:13:40.240 be upset if i've obviously fucked a bunch of other guys that aren't him and i think that's his own

05:13:46.080 right okay i'm like do do a little i'm not taking my mascara off because that's gonna be too well

05:13:52.640 that's fine but all right ladies and gentlemen that is the damage okay nicolette body count

05:13:59.920 uh what's the question does it matter yeah do you object to men caring about body count uh i think

05:14:04.960 it's fucking stupid if they care oh my god but you also hate men no not anymore i'm a changed woman

05:14:14.080 she used to uh until she starts tweeting later tonight um yeah until after this okay it's it's

05:14:20.800 fucking stupid why why is it stupid are they insecure are men insecure if they don't want to be with a

05:14:26.720 woman with a high body count is that it i mean that's their preference okay sure but i don't

05:14:33.120 care about a guy's body count so like he shouldn't care about mine okay mia huffman what about you i've

05:14:41.680 never really been asked like by a partner by like somebody i'm dating but i don't think it matters

05:14:47.120 necessarily but i also think just respect yourself that's really all it is respect yourself i love your

05:14:52.400 camera it's so cute so she's that's that yeah straight up we should have done a time lapse of

05:15:01.680 the makeup removal it's all good uh okay all right cool here's the front here's the back

05:15:11.840 she's beautiful with and without makeup makeup routine it's not that bad no it's beautiful it's

05:15:16.720 beautiful uh okay do i look different straight up answer do i look different without makeup a little

05:15:22.240 bit a little bit it's not a lot a little bit it's uh you know it's still you know it's good it's good

05:15:28.160 okay it's great looking great so like it's not like that it's not in a bad way it's not in a bad

05:15:32.800 way segment do you think that girls wear makeup to show off for guys yes yep yep no yep

05:15:39.120 i know like i wear makeup to feel confident i'm not gonna be gaslit by you i'm not gaslighting

05:15:45.760 i'm just saying you guys don't wear makeup to just to girls will do a whole face of makeup to

05:15:51.440 get in the shower just because it's fun that's actually when i wake up in the morning and i put

05:15:56.400 on makeup that is the most brain dead ten times why would you just let me just let me just think

05:16:02.160 girls function better like seriously girls function better throughout the day when they think they look

05:16:06.320 better they function get more done like they think that they look better wait hold on just but but

05:16:10.560 using her they you say they function better so a woman's like accomplish more don't don't don't

05:16:16.800 hold too much on the function a woman's capacity to enter a shower is improved if she's wearing a

05:16:24.480 full face no but have you ever heard of a pre-shower makeup routine that is ridiculous i have not heard

05:16:29.920 just for fun just for fun and like girls will just do each other's makeup to go nowhere yeah

05:16:35.280 maybe afterwards we figure out somewhere to go because we look good as shit but yeah

05:16:40.160 it's just like a thing that like it's just i get more done when i think i look better like i'm

05:16:44.080 like if i look good i'm gonna get more shit done it's also just girlhood you know how excited i get

05:16:48.800 going into sephora and just looking at no it's something that y'all will never understand i like

05:16:52.880 that i like that it's very girly i like it's nice i like how long and well they've dined i think it's a

05:16:59.440 psyop what's a psyop you've got the the you have the the beauty cosmetic industrial complex which

05:17:08.800 is like a many many times over billion dollar industry sephora is like the raytheon of this

05:17:14.320 right huh a side op that's what you're saying well i'm psyop psyop psyop oh let me ask you guys a

05:17:21.920 question imagine this think of all the you know how much time does it take you guys to put on

05:17:27.200 the typical makeup like on that 15 minutes okay how much an hour how much do you guys spend on

05:17:32.400 makeup in a year oh god i don't know not too much i don't wear that i don't i don't wear makeup

05:17:38.480 every day but i feel like i do like makeup i get more like a grand or two 200 every month if all

05:17:44.800 makeup every month could just poof disappear and no women could wear makeup it just totally levels

05:17:50.400 the playing field would you opt for that or continue with the current uh uh what's the current uh

05:17:56.480 status quo it depends who i'm looking at i personally think makeup is fun but if i'm

05:18:01.040 looking at it like looking at my little sister i'm like you never need makeup i'll never want that for

05:18:05.840 you like i think you're beautiful the way you are but i personally think it's fun and i personally like

05:18:10.080 getting new makeup products and i personally enjoy doing my makeup it's just a girly like it's just

05:18:15.280 girly like self-care your face paints yeah yes it is fun i'm pro makeup oh well i'm a natural body

05:18:22.320 supremacist and i feel like as a little girl i've always been into makeup yeah i mean that's what

05:18:26.720 girls watching all the makeup artists on youtube like do makeup and post about it like we just grew

05:18:32.560 up in that yeah plus if you like differences between the sexes like yeah i want girls to do

05:18:38.080 like girly stuff you know because i assume you guys get together we're not gonna get together drink some

05:18:42.320 beers and go watch a game like no like we're gonna make up you do the pillow fights you do

05:18:46.240 of course yeah come on like the whole sleepover vibes yes again i'm a natural body supremacist look

05:18:53.600 a little bit i i'm not gonna object to but i do prefer women who wear minimal or no makeup a little

05:18:59.760 eyeliner whatever but like when it's uh coming off on on makeup lights and you've changed the color of

05:19:07.040 the the makeup wipe i mean uh and great look i'm again obviously their skin is in this color no but

05:19:13.520 well no but you've been invited obviously i recognize you've been invited on a video production

05:19:17.600 where there's perhaps a greater likelihood that you're going to perhaps put on a bit more makeup

05:19:21.280 than you otherwise would um but i'm not a fan of makeup that's fine because i prefer men who wear

05:19:27.520 makeup but like black liner is makeup though you're saying homosexual like

05:19:31.360 you're contradicting yourself brian huh what how am i country you said you said that you don't mind

05:19:38.080 a girl with black eyeliner no i well what i was trying to articulate is like if she wears a little

05:19:43.360 eye are you saying are you saying minimal makeup that is your yeah i'm saying if she's put on like a

05:19:48.720 little mascara or like eyeliner that's not a big thing but that's still makeup of course but i'm

05:19:54.800 saying that's why i said minimal or no makeup but when like if you're laying on my black pillow

05:20:01.120 and your face is imprinted on the pillow after having laid down in it or you've smudged a bunch

05:20:07.920 on my on my face if we're being you know kissing whatever then it's uh you know i'm not a fan of it

05:20:14.320 then you need to get her a makeup spray so it lasts all day yes buy her the charlotte tilbury

05:20:20.880 setting spray that's that's what that's what you need to do okay that's very romantic to learn to

05:20:27.280 embrace women and try i do embrace women we'll embrace them more and be here's the difference

05:20:33.200 you're embracing you are embracing my dear an illusion it's a it's it's a it's an illusion

05:20:40.800 it's a fraud happy so it's a bamboozle you it's a bamboozle why is it a bamboozle because when we

05:20:47.280 take our makeup off we look different hold on my hair doesn't i mean it's it's pretty much stays like

05:20:52.000 this when i wake up but like maybe i get an extra quarter of an inch of coif so is that an illusion

05:20:57.600 hey i listen if you want my dad syrup in there i like to you know my dad uses hairy growth

05:21:02.880 shit and i bet one day you guys will have to too do you think that's an illusion i'll probably look

05:21:07.120 i maybe only got a little bit a few years left yeah yeah you're an italian he's got it yeah you know

05:21:13.040 look i'll probably yeah i might even be starting to lose a little bit how would you feel people called

05:21:17.040 you an illusion it and that's not even comparable because that's not something you have fun doing i

05:21:22.560 genuinely have fun doing my makeup and doing other people who said who said that i would well if i wore

05:21:27.920 a toupee then yes then now hold on let me let me ask you girls a question let's actually definitely

05:21:32.320 an illusion ah let's dive into this now if you were on a date with a guy and he took photos with the

05:21:38.160 toupee and the toupee looked really realistic and then you're on the third date you find out that he's

05:21:44.880 actually uh got a fucking larry david and he's just bald you guys aren't gonna feel like to some

05:21:52.800 degree like you've been like let's not kid ourselves women are attracted to men with a full head of hair

05:21:58.320 that's not necessarily true she's not attracted to men okay but you kind of are because you were

05:22:03.840 entertaining the guy and i suspect i suspect you maybe would have been a little less attracted to

05:22:08.800 him had he i mean i don't want to assume had he had no hair yes i would be a little bit less

05:22:14.720 attractive ah so if he had a toupee and you it turns out he actually is bald you would perhaps

05:22:22.160 feel like to some degree misled and that's not how he actually looks not necessarily i just think that

05:22:27.840 if you have some like vendetta against girls who wear makeup then like prefer a girl who doesn't

05:22:33.280 wear makeup but like you don't get to have a certain opinion because you also don't you're just not a

05:22:39.040 girl i don't know i'm wait so no uterus no opinion are we going back to no makeup no

05:22:44.160 opinion so if you that's well if you wear makeup brian do you want kids all the time do you want

05:22:50.080 kids how usually like on tv i'll answer yeah it's fair wait i'll answer i'm just saying if you had a

05:22:55.840 daughter and she started playing with makeup you're i'm not buying her makeup wow that's actually

05:23:01.200 that is just something that comes along with like the territory of like being a dad to a daughter

05:23:06.560 it's just like eventually no no no let me finish okay go ahead is that a girl is just gonna like

05:23:13.680 curiosity of a girl is that one day she's gonna be like what is this makeup i want to play with this

05:23:17.120 my mommy puts this on like that's just what that's just what it is if you don't want to buy her

05:23:20.960 makeup that's fine but your daughter being curious and makeup is something she can be curious she can be

05:23:26.000 curious and i i will raise my daughter she can't wear me i will raise my daughter to have such mental

05:23:32.160 fortitude and and force of will and power that i will say it's not that deep daughter it is that deep

05:23:39.520 i will say daughter no you need not it's not you need not put the paint on your face my dear it has

05:23:46.000 harmful chemicals and it's it's not you put in your body every day has harmful chemicals fair enough in

05:23:52.320 any case you don't need that and i'm not paying for it when you turn 18 if you want to you know

05:23:57.760 whatever you want to do whatever you want your daughter buys it on her own are you but what if

05:24:01.520 she sees it on tv i'm gonna be i'm gonna be disappointed okay well i'm just gonna tell you

05:24:06.880 right now your daughter's gonna come to a point in her life where she's gonna want to put on makeup

05:24:10.400 and wear makeup like that's just every girl i disagree every and this is the mind virus that

05:24:17.360 women perpetuate on other women because you think that has to be the social

05:24:22.000 order of things but as a man i have a duty and responsibility to guide my daughter in in a way

05:24:28.800 that i think is more commensurate in other ways besides to not wear makeup it's not a matter of

05:24:33.680 like she doesn't need it it's not a matter of she doesn't buy toys for her there's like a makeup

05:24:41.360 i just think that that's like there's so many better like things to guide your daughter on than

05:24:45.040 being like and i'll do those too i also think i also think if you're too harsh on stuff that has very

05:24:51.120 little effect like makeup that may not be the best parent so you're saying that we as a society need

05:24:57.920 to continue to capitulate to this again this is a billion dollar industry that is incentivized to

05:25:04.880 keep women feeling insecure about how they naturally look but it's i think once again i think once again

05:25:10.800 security yeah i think once again it's just women feeling more confident when they put the makeup on

05:25:15.600 just like if you want to get a surgery it's just to make you feel more it also goes back to prehistory if

05:25:20.080 you google female cosmetic coalitions there's this crazy anthropology thing where they dig up old

05:25:25.840 tribes and the women in the tribes would smear red on them i've heard that isn't it it's crazy so you

05:25:31.600 know you're not going to be see michael's on our side i am makeup was makeup's been around for a long

05:25:36.880 time just used in different in different ways like look yes and not but i will also argue the the

05:25:44.560 amount of makeup that is used today is far more is this is this crazy for i don't feel like people

05:25:51.280 wear a lot more makeup now in the past like ever since social media than in the past i remember you

05:25:56.560 know uh people wear a lot more makeup now look i don't know the hiss the the history of makeup i do i

05:26:04.880 i suspect you know throughout perhaps even for thousands of years women wore makeup i don't

05:26:10.080 know if that was readily available to like the peasantry it was like ochre they grind up red ochre

05:26:16.000 and smear it on their face like blush or whatever yeah um but i think probably there's been you know

05:26:21.360 various cultures and perhaps in in far far in the past in history where women didn't wear makeup and

05:26:28.640 this was just never an never an issue i don't know bro i think they all wore makeup no i think

05:26:35.280 they did you're just saying that he just gave that example because that goes back to biblical

05:26:39.280 times of women putting blush and lipstick on their face so who knows sure and people have been warring

05:26:44.560 and murdering each other for thousands of years too open murder is two completely you know what

05:26:49.360 things hot take good point makeup is worse than i'm kidding that's a hot take for sure i'm kidding

05:26:55.920 but see you guys get really we we were talking about all kinds of crazy shit but when i when i

05:27:01.920 come after your beloved makeup yeah that's when you guys it was the most it always has to go back to

05:27:06.400 like an insecure thing like you made something that's so like innocent and fun and like light-hearted

05:27:12.080 into like you don't need it so why do you want it well you don't and no girl needs it all of you

05:27:17.040 all of us are pretty without makeup but it's fun and then making it seem like it's it's whatever

05:27:22.000 whatever lets you sleep at night okay that's no that's not what i said i was saying that in

05:27:31.920 response to it's just for fun that come on it is that's a hundred percent of it you never there's

05:27:39.360 no component of i'm competing with other women there's no component of i want to be more attractive

05:27:43.760 to men i think it's all like i want to feel the best that i can feel why why can't it just be that

05:27:48.320 why is that i always have to go back i've been on your side this whole time but that's obviously

05:27:52.880 not i'm gonna put makeup on in the morning and say like if i want to make up on other women or get

05:27:58.800 the attention of men or women that's not my intention it's just to feel the best that i can feel and be

05:28:04.000 confident and then it's a subconscious then on your subconscious so what do you mean by be confident

05:28:08.800 you mean look good and be attractive no you mean feel good it doesn't it doesn't look good

05:28:14.000 so when you lack confidence if you didn't put it on i think it's not necessarily like but you said

05:28:19.600 it's for to feel good and you so you would feel ungood it's the act it's the act of taking the

05:28:25.120 steps to do your makeup and doing what you like and finding what you like and finding your routine

05:28:29.920 and just something that you enjoy something that you enjoy it's like a hobby why do you enjoy it

05:28:34.880 because it makes you look better it makes you feel prettier feel confident so you would feel less

05:28:40.880 confident without the makeup so are you because you feel prettier because you're pretty to

05:28:46.320 i think the opposite sex i think it's equivalent to fitness i've been trying to say this i think

05:28:50.080 it's equivalent to fitness men work out excessively sometimes not all and they choose to pressure

05:28:55.120 themselves under those realms of i want to have x amount of bicep muscle i want to have x amount of

05:29:00.640 my abdomen showing all these other things women do the payment of buying makeup and that's just one

05:29:06.000 of our other things it's not working well i mean physical fitness is a little bit different

05:29:09.760 and that's within the route women can pursue physical fitness too it's just a vanity so

05:29:15.440 well i object the same thing here i'll help you with the argument wait wait hold on let me i'll

05:29:19.440 help you with the argument um i object to men taking steroids because i think that's harmful to

05:29:23.680 your body in order to attain a certain level of physique now it might help you attain said physique

05:29:29.200 but i think you ought to do so in a healthy and natural way that's outweighing the pros and cons of

05:29:33.520 that what are the cons of i mean yeah there's chemicals in makeup but like well i mean are we

05:29:39.360 dying are we like actually like okay so i mean i don't want to use i don't want to use like a

05:29:45.280 exceptional uh example but some they found that some uh i don't know the names of these products uh

05:29:52.240 shop a clean brand then for example well they they found asbestos in certain um makeup products

05:29:57.760 and i don't know if you i'm not in favor of women getting mesothelioma so um they they did find

05:30:04.320 asbestos in some of the the makeup products and you know the powder and stuff um and and women have

05:30:11.200 had well i said i suppose men can use that too but um i said it was a documentary on netflix which was

05:30:17.920 terribly woke so don't watch it but is that the first time mesothelioma has come up on the whatever

05:30:22.560 well actually you know what i feel like it came up didn't it come up like last episode i don't

05:30:28.560 know there's an app called yuko where you can scan products and it actually like rates it and tells

05:30:33.200 you all of the active ingredients and if they're good or that's if they label it properly it's not

05:30:38.480 like okay well then if you really want to get that granular then like you know everything i think you

05:30:42.800 said this like everything we do on a daily basis has chemicals uh johnson and johnson baby powder

05:30:48.160 yeah would you say johnson and johnson is like one of the major uh is johnson and john they're

05:30:53.360 pharma uh yeah i think drug company pharmaceutical company uh i they they those little baby powder

05:31:00.160 bottles i i had i had those when i was younger everybody did everybody did uh they actually found

05:31:06.000 that there was asbestos right in in the baby powder you get cancer from baby better anyway obviously

05:31:12.160 they don't list it they don't list asbestos in the ingredients so what might be on the label

05:31:19.920 that might not actually so what are you using on your baby's butt then brian when you have babies

05:31:25.520 i mean i think they've probably changed the form we don't use baby powder okay can i ask you

05:31:30.560 something else sure so let's change the subject something else that is harmful is hard i do want to

05:31:35.760 sure well i do want to wrap the subject though it's harmful it costs money it really has no

05:31:42.240 i go all night really because i want to be considerate of your time i go all night i'm

05:31:46.560 surprised you stayed this long i would never leave how could i leave you know the only reason i might

05:31:50.960 want to leave that's really dope of you okay i want to do that too well i do think we won't we

05:31:55.040 won't keep the show going for too long but okay last thing last thing sure okay how about something

05:31:59.600 like body hair removal it costs money um it can be dangerous and it can give you more harm than good

05:32:04.720 do you say yeah i mean if you're shaving and you cut yourself i mean oh and you die of an infection

05:32:10.720 i mean it just has you know you're not gonna die you're not gonna die from putting makeup on but

05:32:14.960 it's about the same risk well i mean i think there's a slight difference there when it comes to grooming

05:32:20.800 right um so your question is i guess like if a girl if a girl said i want to i don't shave my armpits

05:32:28.480 because i feel like it does no good and it's more harmful and it's just that's actually good it's a good

05:32:34.240 argument that you make um again i would differentiate a little bit when it comes to

05:32:38.480 grooming and then i mean do you like hairy or shaved i do prefer shaved i'll give you that but

05:32:43.760 i do think it's a bit different than makeup insofar as like if you i why of course i do um

05:32:51.360 it is a bit different insofar as well one from purely

05:32:54.800 if if you're being intimate with a woman and she has spiky legs i mean that is gonna have like

05:33:04.560 there's a bit more of a utilitarian purpose there when it comes to to shaving um but it's not spiky

05:33:10.320 if you it's not spiky if you don't shave at all it's just soft just soft hair just natural just like

05:33:15.360 you said it's like a nice hot gorilla yeah yeah yeah just like natural like you want no it's a good

05:33:21.360 argument you make again i do think it's it is different than makeup though yeah you have your

05:33:25.440 preferences sure yeah just like all of us so it doesn't make i don't want some like unkempt

05:33:31.120 like obviously i want a woman but you love natural okay well then we could extend this argument to

05:33:36.480 well brian why do you want a woman who showers because the natural order of things it's not

05:33:41.200 but it's related to grooming the natural order of things is for your body to collect uh the scents and

05:33:47.920 so then why don't you shave your legs and armpits do you what so what makes a difference if a woman

05:33:53.760 should shave her legs and armpits and be groomed to that's just clean wait so are we switching it to

05:33:58.560 like the difference between men and women like why don't why are you saying you're saying almost like

05:34:04.640 not shaving is what's the word unkept and now is that just because of societal standards that women

05:34:13.520 should be hairless and men shouldn't or why don't you shave your legs then and your armpits and your

05:34:17.600 beard why don't you think well actually i what huh why don't you think that there's an issue with

05:34:22.880 that i partake in some degree of grooming i will i i understand that i understand that but you're saying

05:34:28.960 if a woman for letting us know you're saying if a woman has hair on her legs then you just prefer

05:34:34.160 women i'd prefer what you just prefer not do you object to my preference of women no i don't

05:34:40.480 you don't object because your opinions your opinion and your preferences are your preferences

05:34:44.080 but you can't come at certain things for being one way and not coming come at another thing for

05:34:48.320 being the same way but it's it's certainly different it's different as in it's different

05:34:52.720 things but it well i propose about the same risk about the same it is a good argument but i could say

05:34:59.120 that if if a woman like for example and you did make the argument of like well what if she just

05:35:04.240 doesn't shave and the hair becomes soft right uh but if she does shave but like lets it grow out

05:35:09.600 then she it's spiky so uh yeah not i think that's a that would be my argument it would be

05:35:18.080 uncomfortable in an intimate setting okay so how is that different than you then why don't you shave

05:35:24.400 your legs and do you have a bush i uh i groom i groom but i don't shave my legs you have a little

05:35:33.120 landing ship or what uh it's called manscaping manscaped um well i think i mean it does come

05:35:42.560 down to gender roles to some degree uh gender expectations typically women don't have a

05:35:50.240 preference for men who shave their legs they don't really i think most women don't care about leg hair

05:35:55.680 really and i think it is kind of those the uh order of things that a lot of men prefer women who

05:36:03.280 shave their legs yeah well a lot of women wear makeup and prefer to wear makeup okay so i'm just

05:36:09.200 saying it's about i suppose my to some degree my objection to it is sometimes the the degree to

05:36:16.160 which it can absolutely transform a woman's appearance now granted i know sometimes it's

05:36:21.360 fairly minimal and it doesn't really they still look mostly the same actually nick we have a file

05:36:26.960 of some crazy transformations that we can pull up i think it's under the makeup tab

05:36:31.280 nick if you can pull up all those it's in the browser do you know what i'm talking about

05:36:36.160 yeah uh just pull all those up there's some ridiculous ridiculous makeup transformations uh

05:36:44.400 whereas like leg hair a woman's legs in terms of physical appearance do i look that different

05:36:49.760 i mean i'd have i need a before and after you just got one you had my full face on oh i haven't

05:36:55.840 committed your face in irl but have you ever seen the ones where it's like it's here and looked at

05:36:59.680 me for the past five hours you can't tell me you don't remember what i look like with my makeup on no

05:37:03.760 i don't remember what you look like with your makeup on but you just told me i look different

05:37:06.960 without it so how do you not remember well you i can tell that there's a difference but i don't

05:37:11.040 i don't i haven't burned the image of what your face looks like with makeup you're not simping

05:37:15.840 like if you were a simp you'd have burned that yes if i was a simp yeah yeah i was nick you got

05:37:21.120 you what you got nick uh yeah what you got by the way can we get some w's in the chat michael

05:37:27.200 knows is a trooper we've this he's been streaming with us all day i got i got it so thank you that's

05:37:34.800 how you do it it's not like it's not like this i do it like that yeah yeah

05:37:39.280 yeah i don't know oh wow michael just flashed some gang signs right there we're in santa barbara

05:37:45.520 yeah i also stream follow my kick okay you got the next you got

05:37:48.720 the only fans it's in the link disavow okay that's like special effects makeup go ahead

05:37:57.120 is it that's a pretty big that's totally fake that's next wait wait wait let it replay again

05:38:09.920 oh come on huge next is it fine that's the old that's the granny filter okay then that's okay

05:38:16.960 whatever next that's fake there's more right what you got fake news okay we got here

05:38:21.760 there she looks like she's on meth whoa that's rude that's rude is she i think she is

05:38:29.520 pretty decent transformation there tell me you saw that too you saw the dips it's not

05:38:35.040 yeah no i don't believe it i don't believe that i don't believe no i don't believe that

05:38:38.960 is there another one the transition went without i did that

05:38:43.600 oh this one's wild okay oh pause these are bad transformations

05:38:51.760 just you know you guys gotta see the well no wonder you think she's like the videos you're

05:38:57.760 watching yeah i know but it's trying to articulate the point here the degree to which makeup can

05:39:07.040 okay i get what you're saying it's also not real wait there's more more nick there's

05:39:10.160 more that's just what do you mean there's no way no this is it this is it michael wait what you got

05:39:16.880 this is it what you got for us nick the rest oh this one's wild

05:39:28.480 but again to be i i don't want to be intellectually dishonest i think she's intentionally made herself

05:39:33.040 look unappealing so they all did but like but you can kind of tell what she looks like hold up

05:39:42.000 whoa hello okay that's pretty different there i don't know why no one no one might be real next

05:39:51.760 is there a photo one

05:39:56.400 oh i think i know is it the pants yeah okay we'll see it you know why not it's kind of related

05:40:00.800 all right uh oh you got to move us oh facetune i use no it's just her pants it's just yeah it's

05:40:11.600 just should i start wearing yoga pants you probably that's amazing it's just the positioning of your

05:40:16.720 body anyone can take but like that that that's we would all know that that's fraud all of us can look

05:40:23.040 like that right all of us could literally stand a certain angle push our stomach out and look

05:40:27.280 exactly like that okay come on though like if as a guy she's pushing her stomach out that's literally

05:40:33.760 just to go to show that you can huge transformation that's not i could there's probably that's i love

05:40:38.720 how you just said when you're bruh i love how you said you would prefer a woman with a little belly

05:40:43.680 fat it's just literally that's not and then you see a little belly fat and then you want to

05:40:47.680 no that's not what i said no we're just talking about i'm fine i'm not you said yourself you have

05:40:51.680 a little beer belly now so who are you to judge wait hold on you i think you guys are misunderstanding

05:40:56.800 what i'm trying to articulate by pulling that photo okay what you said it's a big transformation

05:41:02.640 it's the transformation my argument is that we can all stand there i'm not i'm not saying that the

05:41:08.240 woman on the right is is ugly i'm not making a criticism of her appearance what i am saying is the

05:41:13.440 transformation from a to b is rather like that's pretty substantial okay i mean if i sat here

05:41:20.160 pushed on my stomach like that and then push my stomach back in like it's like literally you could

05:41:24.240 all have an ugly angle all of us take pictures right yeah but she's getting a lot of help from

05:41:30.640 what's that uh the the the the uh brand she's getting a lot of help from her friends at lululemon

05:41:38.000 okay i love how you well in that in that picture i don't know if it's edited but she also has abs so

05:41:43.760 it's like she not necessarily guys do that too i see a lot of guys like who knows you know open

05:41:49.520 their belly and shit oh yeah or when i start like is there another photo nick or is that yeah no like

05:41:54.000 i thought there was a photo like a face like the guys where they're like stretching their stomach and

05:41:58.480 then like yeah and it's wrong when men do it too it's wrong when men do it man y'all are really

05:42:05.280 worked up about this makeup shit did i i really struck a nerve no yeah i think i was the one that

05:42:10.080 asked that though i seem like you seem a little struck no a nerve has been struck no no not at all

05:42:16.080 i'm just you struck a nerve i'm just disappointed no i'm just trying to get you to see what it's like

05:42:20.160 from a girl's perspective yeah that's all it is mostly there was a little bit you guys went crazy

05:42:25.600 about that i don't do it to look pretty for boys or whatever i'm just trying to but mostly i agree

05:42:29.200 with you mostly i love how that's what y'all keep going back to and we're always going to stand on

05:42:33.840 that it's not for men cool yeah cool it's a big we can agree to disagree yeah okay will you look

05:42:40.240 how about this if i can concede that it's not a hundred percent for men can you concede that it's

05:42:45.360 somewhat there's some percentage of the reason like five percent sure if someone has if someone

05:42:50.640 has the intention to put makeup on because they're going on a date or something maybe then

05:42:54.560 it is for a man but the idea of makeup the practice of doing your makeup in the morning

05:43:00.000 does not have an underlying reason of for men so female cosmetic coalitions were for women to

05:43:06.160 gang up on men so back in the old days but i'm just you know the old like you're saying

05:43:11.680 yeah it was a yes because it was a way it was a way oddly to like hide menstruation there's like

05:43:18.320 you can go down a real rabbit trail of ancient makeup but the reason that i agree with you guys

05:43:23.360 against brian is also why i don't believe that it's not for men thing so what about if a girl

05:43:29.280 group of girls gets together and they just do their makeup like what together yeah no and there's no

05:43:36.960 men they're not taking pictures what if this is just a slumber party we're not going out we're just

05:43:41.520 gonna go to bed you know how many times me and my girls have literally sat on the floor of my bathroom

05:43:45.840 and i'm just like can you give me a makeover like can you just do my makeup and like do it how you

05:43:50.160 want and i just want to see how it looks that's so normal for girls right did y'all do that even

05:43:55.440 going to my best friend's house when i go to maddie's house i do a full face of makeup just

05:43:58.880 because i feel like it just because it makes me and not that any boys are at my house yeah not that

05:44:03.600 i'm just her i'll be her friend no matter what you look like but that's literally i've looked

05:44:07.280 uglier next to maddie than i've ever have just because we've been friends for so long and i live

05:44:12.240 together in multiple different places a face to make on makeup on i'm just arguing the other side

05:44:16.880 because like yeah for sure some girls for sure would want to put makeup on for guys i just want

05:44:21.280 to say it's like not every yeah there might be not every scenario there's always not every scenario

05:44:25.840 because y'all like to talk about extremes and it's like always it's bold of you to assume that like

05:44:31.200 why why are you shaking your head over there because i feel like i i want to ask each one of you

05:44:37.760 individually would you feel bamboozled if you met a guy all his dating app photos he wore a toupee but

05:44:44.400 actually he didn't have he was bald completely different no it's not yes it is it's absolutely

05:44:50.640 not no going into dating women that women like makeup and are going to wear makeup go women

05:44:56.640 and shouldn't women know that shouldn't women know that a lot of men hold on let me just i

05:45:01.440 do want to give a quick rebuttal next time let me finish thanks babe okay um i do want to give a

05:45:05.600 quick rebuttal here shouldn't don't most women know that men to some degree if they're starting to

05:45:10.960 bald that they might feel insecure about that so shouldn't you like i can make the exact same

05:45:16.320 argument i feel like makeup you can tell if someone has makeup on it's not really something someone's

05:45:21.920 trying to hide a toupee maybe so actually not always no you're talking about i agree i agree with you

05:45:27.680 here what if i can't tell if a woman's wearing makeup and i think she's more attractive while she's

05:45:32.240 wearing said makeup but she's not actually that attractive in reality because she's wearing said

05:45:37.040 makeup but i can't tell that she's wearing makeup you lost air go i've been i was with you then that

05:45:42.480 is your choice and you can break up with her then you can just deal with the reality that unfortunately

05:45:46.720 she just doesn't look like that naturally and so be it maybe sure but maybe that you want women to

05:45:52.960 be natural and not wear makeup wait what but then it's like but i'm no i'm i'm building an argument

05:45:58.080 here he's talking about the deception the deception is the whole argument don't just like you're

05:46:02.640 deceiving yourself wait i don't have an issue though if men stop deceiving yourself are bald

05:46:08.160 thank you like if men are bald and have a toupee or like i've watched the hair transformation for

05:46:13.200 men i have no what about what about he wore three inch lifts ew yeah it's amazing what if they're just

05:46:19.680 really nice off the rack lucchese boots it's crazy i like that no more power to him if it makes you feel

05:46:25.280 confident then do it yeah but you just said i don't think every man has i don't think every man is

05:46:29.920 gonna have to get that though like every woman is probably gonna wear makeup that you encounter

05:46:33.600 but every man is not gonna have to get a hair transplant what about the the shoe lifts though

05:46:38.800 right i don't think it makes them less attractive yeah like do what you want so so if they on their

05:46:43.760 dating if that makes you feel better they say that they're six feet but they're actually five nine

05:46:48.240 that's nice you don't you don't consider that like a deception okay so what okay do you just want

05:46:52.240 me to put in the bio like by the way makeup's on in the photos well typically i can tell but i right i'm

05:46:57.440 aware of your your bamboozle deceiving yourself no but i am aware of your bamboozle then we're aware

05:47:04.560 of yours what is that you have fake hair that you want to get fake hair and he wears lips and that

05:47:11.520 you wear shoe i don't think that's that's even a big deal like i don't know i think it's not this

05:47:17.840 isn't a sound like pick me but like if you actually with someone like what matters yeah aren't

05:47:25.120 women attracted to confident men yes and that's how does that not confident well why you can make

05:47:32.320 the argument that a woman might be might say well if you're confident why would you need to wear shoe

05:47:37.360 lifts or because i fucking felt like it because it makes me feel better you can still have you can

05:47:42.560 because you have an insecurity because you have an insecurity about your height for what other reason

05:47:47.360 would you wear yes i don't think i don't think necessary i don't agree that you necessarily have

05:47:51.680 to be super insecure about something to change it just because you think it could be better another

05:47:55.360 way if you were secure about it you would not i i just i just disagree okay okay it's subjective

05:48:04.800 security is subjective entirely just like everything goes back to being insecure it's like

05:48:10.800 what about the guy it's exhausting brian you're literally tired but it's it's interesting to me

05:48:17.840 that you guys object so much to me like thinking that you know makeup is sort of deceptive and you're

05:48:25.040 fighting me on it but like i'm sure most of you would be to some degree upset if a guy misrepresented

05:48:30.880 his height either through shoe lifts or he lied about on a dating app you show up to the date turns

05:48:35.760 out he's shorter than you or uh if you wore a toupee women are going to wear makeup that's

05:48:40.400 that's for somebody makeup is is in its essence a lie okay okay makeup's just not really it just

05:48:48.080 enhances your look it's a lie yeah i think you guys can keep wearing it but we agree

05:48:55.680 and we will you're right just be intellectually honest you're not you're right no seriously it's

05:49:03.440 a lie let me ask you guys a question and it's over the comment if it didn't next next segment please

05:49:09.120 if if it didn't amplify if makeup did not amplify or improve or increase your physical appearance in

05:49:18.080 some way why would you wear it it doesn't so we're done no wait wait so you think makeup doesn't

05:49:24.320 no makeup of course enhances your lashes makes it longer makes your lips pop out more do men care

05:49:31.680 about physical appearance yes yes clearly you do so you are changing you you are putting on a facade

05:49:39.680 quite literally a facade yes everything we do is to please men not to please men not to please men

05:49:46.080 y'all walk on i base all my decisions throughout my day based on how y'all view me and think good the

05:49:51.680 patriarchy wins again okay exactly i just really i just i just really want to please men literally

05:49:56.720 like men i want to make y'all happy five percent of the time you want me to stop wearing makeup like

05:50:02.400 it's done never again you should just tell your guests from here on out like you're actually not

05:50:07.120 allowed to wear makeup actually come on with no makeup on look i'm not like me personally my personal

05:50:13.040 preferences is i prefer women without makeup like if you guys are wearing makeup like honestly i don't

05:50:17.680 give a fuck like here at the table but if we're having like a conversation if we're having a

05:50:22.720 debate about it then yes i'm going to like let's look at let's look at reality let's have a look at

05:50:28.400 reality it's makeup is a facade and if you can't be intellectually honest about that i don't know what

05:50:33.840 to tell you but it is quite literally a facade okay okay okay let's all say okay and agree to disagree

05:50:40.640 then okay it's paint okay it's paint you know what you're right you're so right how many times we

05:50:45.680 have to tell you i wake up oh thank you thank you cool yes i wake up every morning wearing makeup so

05:50:50.560 guys i'm gonna get it last last argument on the makeup thing oh is it's an evil facade it's terrible

05:50:56.960 are you for real the patriarchy wins again um wait question question starting with you sophie

05:51:02.800 do you believe in protecting the environment yeah what do you consider yourself an environmentalist

05:51:12.240 um i don't know if i'd go as far as to call myself an environmentalist but i definitely try to protect

05:51:16.960 our like do you object as much as possible for example do you object to like people using plastic

05:51:21.600 can we take that off the table by the way the the the the the water bottle oh oh kirkland's getting

05:51:27.840 out here sorry um do you object to like people do you think people should not use like plastic plastic

05:51:34.240 and like you know i think drink from plastic water bottles for example

05:51:40.640 i think it's almost impossible to never use plastic things their water from their paper cut i think i think

05:51:46.480 it's important i think it's important to limit use when you can and just be conscious of the impact you

05:51:53.600 have on the environment but i don't think it's realistic to completely rule out plastic silverware

05:52:00.080 do you think on an individual level you know people should try to limit their um their plastic use

05:52:08.000 yeah oh well you know what i think all women should be a lot of women tend to be a bit more progressive

05:52:15.760 and liberal and tend to you know be very deeply you know have a deep care for the environment

05:52:21.120 uh i think if if we're saying that you should take individual action to for the better of the

05:52:27.440 environment i think women should take the first step by dismantling the billion dollar uh cosmetic

05:52:34.880 cosmetic and makeup industry because that comes in plastic containers the the products it's shipped

05:52:41.440 across the in there they're in africa so you're right hold on and wait wait wait wait i got something

05:52:50.400 for this hold on of course i'm being safe i pull out so no more condoms yes and no more makeup no

05:53:00.480 more condoms no more makeup what else though we are gonna we are gonna repopulate the earth by banning

05:53:06.240 condoms and getting rid of makeup that sounds i feel like it's kind of like a large goal but we

05:53:12.880 might not get there because now you guys are not being deceived let's just go back to apparently

05:53:19.040 no government and free-for-all and no plastic are you an anarchist sure i don't know what that means

05:53:24.400 but good times what's the definition of an anarchist i'm just saying i see i see what's the definition of

05:53:30.560 an anarchist i see i'm what's the definition i want the dictionary definition type you want me to

05:53:36.000 like actually google it okay i'll google it for you well clearly because you don't know the definition

05:53:40.640 well typically like lack of government oh no well no i don't really know she said

05:53:48.080 lack of government like a lack of any sort of informed enough no we definitely need a government

05:53:53.440 yeah we need some sort of we need some sort of something but i don't know about the way they're

05:53:58.560 going now i like our little democracy so the organization of society on the basis of voluntary

05:54:03.520 cooperation without political institutions or government oh i saw you guys talk about this with some other

05:54:09.040 girl yeah i don't know that sounds horrible um but yeah you know it's crazy a lot of women are

05:54:16.640 environmentalists but i think you know you guys got to take the first step and start stop wearing

05:54:20.320 makeup you can't be showing up to these you know uh earth day earth day events caked up

05:54:25.520 to the gills and caked up caked up paint paint on caked up paint on you know all right at least we're

05:54:31.840 still not talking about labiaplasties you know i'm glad that we're moving on

05:54:36.560 i'd rather be talking about that than this yeah it's a sensitive subject no it's not

05:54:41.360 sensitive it's just annoying and obnoxious at this point

05:54:45.680 twitch oh guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub guys twitch.tv

05:54:50.400 slash whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one thank you guys appreciate it i

05:54:55.280 noticed you had a tattoo it says heliophilia what is that desire of the sun oh okay i thought it was

05:55:01.120 like a something else what's that mean i what do you mean desire of the sun like what why did you

05:55:06.640 get that tattoo because i love to be in the sunshine i love the sun i love it i love summer i love the

05:55:12.640 heat i love the sun that's pretty simple it's beautiful i don't like the cold okay i'm gonna do

05:55:21.520 where is it right here yeah look that's a very that's a very funny tattoo you like it huh yeah i

05:55:27.360 like thanks i like the i like the sun i was gonna say yeah unboxing haul unboxing do a little asmr

05:55:37.040 unbox with me hey guys we got a youtube award hey yay that's a big deal

05:55:45.040 you know i've never gotten mine my like gold youtube thing yeah you have like two million

05:55:51.840 wow how many i don't i don't know actually what my total number but certainly they i think a million

05:55:56.320 right they give you one at a million then i think you have to get to like 10 before they give you

05:55:59.440 another yeah well where's your one wow beautiful brian it looks good for our secondary uh clips channel

05:56:06.160 yeah wow beautiful i love it congrats good times good times um okay is there anything else or are we uh

05:56:13.280 wrapped up here did we talk enough about makeup yeah should we maybe cover anything else you want

05:56:19.040 to say before we about the makeup ban makeup okay cool ban it everyone we on board and condoms

05:56:25.760 and condoms and everything else that uses plastic apparently and everything else that leads to

05:56:30.720 insecurity insecurity i missed banning toupees i was gone for way too long and banned the

05:56:37.760 the shoe and ban shaving your legs and no no i thought we still support no no landscaping all of

05:56:46.800 it we're done we're cutting it all out okay very natural brian's fed up no i'm chilling okay any

05:56:53.680 final thoughts here before we wrap up yes subscribe to my only fans yeah nicolette nicole

05:57:00.160 disappointment yes subscribe to my only fans the links in the bio maddie with two e's girl with

05:57:04.640 two l's subscribe my manager is amazing his name is aj with their agency uh the naomi lynn

05:57:11.920 know what to do you know what to do oh sure i was gonna mention i don't have only fans but you

05:57:17.680 could follow my instagram or something it's in the link it's in the link wait we have a link follow

05:57:24.880 yeah you can you can get my book i was just reminded i'm supposed to plug my book that's

05:57:28.800 speechless controlling words controlling minds number one national bestseller available now

05:57:31.920 wherever books are sold i also have a blank book i have a book without any words in it

05:57:35.920 called it's not a joke it's called reasons to vote for democrats my dad talks about that

05:57:39.840 does he your dad a man of taste a scholar and a gentleman what'd you say can we facetime him

05:57:45.200 we should facetime your father i'm sending him back with cigars i which you can also get right

05:57:49.680 now at mayflowercigars.com if you're 21 years old or older to purchase

05:57:53.520 guys use code whatever for a i don't actually for a free puff they're working on it they're

05:57:59.680 working for me yeah can we collab on tiktok okay i can promote your cigar that would be great that

05:58:06.720 would i don't know how to collab on tiktok i know i'm on tiktok you just need to let me collab with

05:58:11.600 you let's do it i'm in but not like you know you propose to collaborate like you make a video

05:58:16.000 it's together okay yeah let's do that kind okay especially given the 95 that you know i cannot see

05:58:21.440 the hole in front of you this whole entire time girl wait okay last last last makeup because we

05:58:31.200 have michael knolls here um no no um because you're a feminist when it comes to physical strength

05:58:42.880 who's physically stronger men or women any man is probably physically stronger stronger than me

05:58:50.240 personally okay um my sister she's probably stronger than most men um yeah men are men are

05:59:00.000 literally built to be stronger than women like that's they are but i think it just like that you

05:59:04.720 know it's possible for a woman to be stronger than a man but me personally i'm not going to take that

05:59:09.680 challenge ever because i know i'm not no in general it's an in general thing men are women which ones

05:59:16.000 built stronger does your sister lift i guess genetically men yeah she does yeah okay all

05:59:21.520 right how tall is she how tall is she yeah like five two yeah yeah you can't like you listen i've never

05:59:28.960 done a ton of like fighting i'm a lover not a fighter but for a while i did krav maga you know jujitsu

05:59:35.680 it's kind of fun and you but the thing is man you go up and you're fighting someone who's like

05:59:40.320 one inch shorter than you and you win and you fight a guy who's one inch taller than you and he

05:59:45.200 wins and it actually you know that guy so like five two she might be the strongest woman ever

05:59:49.600 but any guy would just like fling her out a window right not that i recommend one inch made that much

05:59:55.360 of a difference she i think that kind of defeats the purpose of like well i do know that she squats

06:00:05.280 more than most men her age and most men my age i do know that for a fact huh it's beautiful

06:00:12.720 okay here we go here we go okay i swear i swear okay can you be sexist against men yes yes okay all

06:00:21.520 right yeah there's a lot of reasonable i think i you know i think i you know i think i could do better

06:00:27.440 at that sometimes nicolette since that's respectable you could do better at being sexist against men wait

06:00:33.520 like i don't give them nearly enough i don't criticize them nearly enough i could be more

06:00:38.400 hateful no i could be more i could be more yeah tell us how you really feel tell us how you really

06:00:44.080 feel i think you know personal experiences and stuff clouds people's vision and i do respect men i love

06:00:49.920 men i just prefer not to spend my life with them as a lifelong partner but um yeah you can definitely

06:00:55.280 be sexist towards men and i think what about the cowboy if he didn't spit on you he was he was not

06:01:00.640 cute anyway i just wanted to go skiing question for nicolette because she was talking about her

06:01:07.440 uh or not her but the white privilege privilege privilege privilege did i spell it wrong uh i think

06:01:15.360 so it's okay you spelled it creatively can you be racist against white people uh i think you can be

06:01:22.640 racist against like any race yeah does the tape okay everyone i agree okay all right all right

06:01:29.360 those are my closing questions um white supremacist brian over there whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa classic

06:01:35.760 whoa whoa whoa i date asian women i don't know why i said that fire and white women too and latina women

06:01:44.640 and that was your that was your go-to you can't take it back now that was your go-to you said it first

06:01:50.080 well i mean and it's it's kind of like this you know it's like i won't play can i play the sound

06:01:58.000 clip let me see if i can find it i used to do drugs i still do but i used to too i yeah you know i

06:02:05.600 there's just a pause i paused for too long and that's why uh um

06:02:12.160 i disavow a white supremacy i disavow white nationalism what why are you why are you throwing

06:02:21.120 under the bus no i was just i thought we were i thought that was what we were talking about

06:02:25.440 wait how did that even come up huh i don't know you were talking about like white supremacy and

06:02:29.680 stuff well what the hell man this is a podcast it came up like three times too it wasn't just like

06:02:33.920 yeah it wasn't a one-time thing what so many yeah it's really concerning yeah wow this is slander

06:02:40.640 sitting here this is gonna bring the stars and bars out here over the whatever side

06:02:45.360 in every interview i'm gonna be asked to disavow something that i disavowed

06:02:49.760 sounds familiar right um yeah cool okay so guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever jobs to follow

06:02:55.360 drop us a prime sub uh oh wait hold on let me pull up my outro here guys thank you guys appreciate

06:03:00.640 it brian uh yes would you let me spit in your mouth jeez uh how much you paying for 10 000 you

06:03:08.800 need to pay uh i don't know where you've been you didn't say no earlier what i asked you either

06:03:15.440 you're saying you'd pay him ten thousand dollars to do it i'm just asking a question i would need

06:03:19.520 like a recent hiv test and like yeah you know something you cannot pass hiv if they're spit

06:03:27.040 yes you can no you can't i'm pretty sure it would take like a million gallons

06:03:32.720 this is your typization that doesn't that that doesn't increase the odds of me wanting a woman to

06:03:41.440 and given someone sent me a video of you no i don't want you spitting in my mouth i'm sorry cindy

06:03:46.480 someone sent you a video of what of oh my god of what good night cindy

06:03:54.400 i'm not gonna look really i i told you guys he's literally on my only fans

06:04:01.120 it literally said braun you said it's not only on your only fans though but a guy said you literally

06:04:06.480 saw it a guy sent not on her only fans a guy sent it slander slander yeah slander my dear

06:04:12.720 so you would you would what secretly would what you're like edging off at like at night

06:04:21.280 no literally no a dude literally dm'd me and he was like yo cindy straight up lied on your podcast

06:04:28.480 cindy straight up lied on your podcast because she said she never did bg content and he sent me a video

06:04:33.680 of i'm not going to be i know vulgar about it but you probably have my mega files now mega your

06:04:40.560 mega files yeah you mean megabytes mega files like the holders of all the content but a mega

06:04:48.560 sort of okay to the mega level yeah which just means a lot of them okay all right we have this

06:04:53.920 latch chat here from curtis brian i'll send the money for the makeup remover that nicolette uses if she

06:04:58.240 agrees to remove it also the whatever only fans after show needs to have a musical guest every

06:05:02.160 episode try usher first piece of a town down nicolette do you want to take this up from curtis leon

06:05:10.560 no but you can see me without makeup on my instagram highlights i have really cute freckles

06:05:16.240 got cute freckles yep am i allowed to promote kick what's kick what it's a streaming platform we can

06:05:23.440 there's so many so uh guys last call hit the like button please on your way out thank you for tuning

06:05:28.560 in tonight you could've been anywhere in the world but you're here with me i appreciate that thank you to

06:05:32.640 everyone who super jazz donates and supports the show we will be live again sunday at 5 p.m pacific

06:05:38.720 on a very good panel for sunday any girls who want to be on the show dm out whatever on instagram if

06:05:42.960 you can make it to the panel or if you can make it to santa barbara excuse me i want to give a big

06:05:46.720 thank you to the panel thank you michael we had a long streaming day so thank you it's always my

06:05:51.280 pleasure tonight it's always wonderful to have you on so really appreciate it thank you guys i know we went a

06:05:56.160 a little late here appreciate it um oh the last thing i just want to do one last plug here for uh

06:06:01.440 check out michael noel's youtube channel it's michael mike's tom mcdonald reviews so i did that as a joke

06:06:10.240 when ben did his rap thing with tom and i said what is this is tom mcdonald review channel and i changed

06:06:15.120 it but youtube won't let me change it back so i'm losing subs now because people think i yeah it's

06:06:21.040 unfair and you probably lost your check mark when you i think when you change your username you lose

06:06:25.520 your verification check mark for sure but it's pretty easy to reapply to it so um guys go subscribe

06:06:30.720 to his channel and then uh also check out his uh mayflower cigar cigars if you got the tab for that

06:06:41.520 check it out guys also uh check out his books yeah i have some like ukulele vids i don't know i mean

06:06:49.920 there's a lot yeah yeah there you go okay there you go i would still love to collaborate with you

06:06:55.040 anyways i'm i'm honored and it doesn't have to be only fans i could go on your show it could even be

06:06:59.760 kick it could be on kick i could stream on kick and i could just smoke your cigar there you go okay

06:07:05.920 great there you have it okay guys oh sevens in the chat good night guys we will see you i feel like

06:07:13.840 we're forgetting something are we what are we forgetting guys we didn't talk about makeup should

06:07:17.760 we talk about makeup maybe a little more yeah no i think uh i think we're pretty shout out to uh

06:07:24.800 shout out to spencer the your security oh yeah shout out spencer w's in the chat for spencer i want

06:07:31.520 to see wentzer in the chat i think i'm gonna hire him to be my security guard oh i thought you're

06:07:36.960 gonna hire him for something else he does have a girlfriend just letting you know oh okay okay but

06:07:41.040 it's security guard though okay how is that like crossing the line never mind okay good talk cindy

06:07:47.280 cindy cindy cindy cindy cindy cindy it's cindy sorry sorry okay all right oh sevens in the chat

06:07:54.160 good night guys we'll see you sunday

Whatever Podcast - February 02, 2024

Michael Knowles DESTROYS Whatever Podcast？! Are OF⧸E-Girls Traditional？! ｜ Dating Talk #132

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