Whatever Podcast - ØF Lawyer vs. Lauren Chen HEATED DEBATE! ｜ Dating Talk #92

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00:03:16.280 And yeah, without further ado, guys, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please

00:03:20.180 tell us your name, age, and occupation. Go ahead. My name is Jasmine Jafar. I'm 28 and I am an OnlyFans

00:03:27.480 creator and a licensed attorney. When you say licensed, so you passed the bar. Yes. Which state?

00:03:36.040 I don't like to say. I could tell you off air, but just for privacy reasons, because I'm still a member.

00:03:41.020 You did pass a bar in some state. Yes. So I'm a member of the bar and I could represent you in that

00:03:49.980 state as an attorney. Okay. But I don't practice right now in the sense of it's not part of my day

00:03:54.280 to day. Sure. Yeah. Okay. I'm Shania. I'm 26 and I'm a model and I also work in a hotel.

00:04:04.080 I'm Haley. I'm 20. I work as a flight instructor and I'm a student at UCSB studying geographical

00:04:09.200 information systems. Flight instructor. So you know how to fly? That's correct. I teach other

00:04:14.100 people how to fly. Do you own a aircraft? I do. A little one. You own the aircraft? Yeah. It's the

00:04:21.180 family airplane. The family airplane. Okay. What, uh, what's, is it a Cessna? That's correct. It's a

00:04:27.740 Cessna 172. 1981. It's really cute. A 19, it's from 81. Yep. The ones I fly every day at work are even

00:04:35.420 older. Wow. Okay. How long have you been flying? Maybe three or four years at this point. Do you

00:04:41.280 also own a horse? No. Are you a horse person? I used to, uh, fox hunt regularly. Fox hunt? Yeah.

00:04:49.060 Like the old English sport with hounds and scenting and such. I've been to Ireland for it and stuff.

00:04:55.400 Yeah. It's pretty fun. You went to Ireland? Yeah. To hunt foxes? Yeah. In the winter too. That's how

00:05:00.980 dedicated I am. Wow. Okay. Uh, and are you wanting to go into aviation as a career or? Yeah. That's

00:05:08.960 the plan right now. You want to fly commercial or? Yeah. Airlines would be, would be the end goal.

00:05:15.820 They make decent money, right? Yeah. Pretty good. And right now there's such a pilot shortage. It's

00:05:20.800 the right time to get into it. So you want to fly like a 747? Well, probably a 787, but yeah.

00:05:26.680 Is that, is that like the nicer one that's coming out? Is it big? Yeah. It's a jumbo

00:05:33.260 jet. Yeah. I like the transatlantic stuff. What do you think about like the, uh, hype?

00:05:37.220 What is it coming? Uh, like they're redoing the Concorde. You know what I'm talking about?

00:05:42.000 Well, there's a reason the Concorde failed in the first place and I don't think that they're

00:05:45.640 going to be able to fix those problems. What, what is it? Hypersonic? Is that what it's

00:05:49.760 called? Hypersonic flight? Yeah. I thought they were the, I think American Airlines is trying

00:05:54.600 to reintroduce, you know, I don't know why. Cause the noise issue of the sonic boom is

00:06:00.720 loud. You can't go, you have to be over the ocean. It's, and also they're not very efficient.

00:06:05.040 Like you, you can't make that much money. Yeah. But you can go really fast. Yeah. Like

00:06:10.120 short flight. Right. Yeah. It's cool, but it's not very profitable. All right. Uh, what

00:06:15.960 about you? Uh, my name is Lauren. I am 29 and a TP USA contributor as well as a blaze TV host

00:06:22.760 and YouTuber. All right. Welcome. You said 29, correct? Yes. Okay. Madison. My name

00:06:28.820 is Madison. I'm 18 years old. I'm the secretary to Kiki on the whatever podcast. And I'm a host

00:06:36.960 at a bar as well as a student at Santa Barbara city college studying business. I changed.

00:06:44.140 Okay. Welcome everybody. So we're going to go around the table once more. What is your current

00:06:49.300 relationship status? Are you single talking stage situationship friends with benefits

00:06:53.820 relationship, married, polycule sex cult? Uh, also how long have you been single if you're

00:07:00.600 single and what's your longest relationship ever? Go ahead. So I am single. I've been single

00:07:06.340 since November of 2020. Um, and my longest relationship was around four years. Um, I'm single. I've been

00:07:15.540 single since last December and my longest relationship was seven ish months. I have a

00:07:23.420 boyfriend and my longest relationship was about a year. I'm married and my longest relationship

00:07:30.200 is with my husband. We have our seventh anniversary coming up in October. All right. I'm taken. I'm in

00:07:38.120 a very committed relationship with my boyfriend currently 11 months, almost 12. And this is my longest

00:07:43.620 relationship. Your current relationship. You said, is that your, uh, one year one? No, this one's only

00:07:51.720 been seven or eight months. Did you take him up on flights? Does he fly too? No, he doesn't.

00:08:01.780 What? But we've been flying a bit. What's that always sunny joke? Like taking someone on a boat

00:08:07.120 because of the implication. Is that the same with aviation? Like if you take someone up to fly

00:08:12.220 because of the implication, you know, you know, I have not heard that. You don't know. Don't know.

00:08:18.640 Okay. All right. So I guess not. You'd have to be familiar with the reference. Okay. Um,

00:08:25.840 had the first time you ever took him up, did he squeal? Was there any squealing from the boyfriend?

00:08:30.760 He didn't stop smiling. So. Oh, he was stoked. He was very excited. Would it be, would it be like a

00:08:37.880 turnoff for you? Had he been terrified? Yes. And the previous boyfriend was a little scared and he

00:08:44.340 only went flying once and didn't last much longer after that. So it's a deal breaker for you if your

00:08:48.480 partner isn't keen on flying. Well, it's not that scary. I don't know. You're the, I mean,

00:08:56.800 you're the pilot, so. Yeah. If they can't trust me, I mean, that's going to be a problem.

00:09:02.460 But in like a little small dingy aircraft, you know? Yeah, but this is what I do for work. It's.

00:09:09.020 Yeah. Okay. Very cool. It's not like I'm just some rando off the street here.

00:09:13.540 Word? Well, you kind of are, but. No, literally in this case.

00:09:19.680 All right. So, uh, Jasmine, you're single. Yes. But you, you shoot with a guy, 1.00

00:09:24.940 correct? Because you make content. Yes. That's true. Okay.

00:09:30.100 But you're not in a thing with him. I guess since you said friends with benefits,

00:09:34.620 I guess it would be a friends with benefits situation. Okay. Depending on how you're going

00:09:38.740 to define that. And so just going back to your career. So you are a licensed attorney. However,

00:09:45.940 you don't practice because you do OnlyFans. Yeah. So I quit my job at my firm last April,

00:09:52.280 I want to say, so I could focus on my OnlyFans career. And I'm very happy with that decision.

00:09:59.280 What's the, uh, kind of money, comparatively speaking, that you're making compared to being

00:10:03.900 an attorney? So attorneys like six figures a year. OnlyFans is six figures a month. So

00:10:08.720 quite a difference. You make six figures a month? Yes. Mid six figures, low six? Like most low,

00:10:15.620 usually. Okay. Oh, okay. Now, why? Because I mean, being an attorney, I think it's a fairly, uh,

00:10:26.640 well-esteemed career. Why did you, you, you just, you're self-described 304 lawyer. And you also

00:10:35.020 said I was just too sexy to be a lawyer. True. In your bio. I mean, I have a huge natural G-cub.

00:10:41.440 So it was nice to do. Much more profitable. I'm jealous. Okay. Um, so you were recently on,

00:10:51.740 uh, Fresh and Fit. I was. And you got into quite a back and forth with Myron. Uh, what was the big

00:10:59.320 argument that you guys got into about? I think we argued about everything. Like I was talking the

00:11:05.120 whole time. That was one of the issues other people had. So we got into quite a bit. His views are a lot

00:11:11.380 more radical than yours. So I kind of disagree with him on pretty much everything. So. Well,

00:11:16.140 yeah, I think you guys touched on body count quite a bit. There's, and then also just, you felt that.

00:11:24.980 I shouted you guys out. I said, you guys are more professional. Did you catch that?

00:11:30.100 I don't like to talk poorly. I, but, uh, I guess, thank you for the shout out. Although you were kind

00:11:34.960 of throwing them under the bus in so doing. But they deserve it. Oh God. Okay. Don't get

00:11:40.600 me into trouble here. All right. Um, so, uh, the big thing though, that I saw that you got

00:11:46.440 into an argument about was, uh, you know, there's a debate between you two that because of that

00:11:53.700 you do only fans, that's going to have a negative impact on your future relationship prospects.

00:11:58.520 Yes. So I don't think it will disagree. Agree. I don't think it'll, yeah, I don't think it'll

00:12:04.800 impact my future dating prospects. That may not be the case for everybody. The kind of guys I like

00:12:09.260 to date, whether now or before I started an only fans wouldn't be the kind of guys who have an issue

00:12:13.820 with it. The one area that may be impacted is I want to keep doing BG content. So the kind of guy

00:12:20.560 like wouldn't have an issue with me doing only fans, but it is fair maybe if he doesn't want to be on

00:12:25.240 my only fans. So that's something I might have to navigate, but the only fans on its own won't be.

00:12:30.240 Well, what's the type of guy that you want to date? Somebody who shares my values and doesn't value

00:12:35.820 things like sexual purity or correlate modesty, whether it's digital or in person with morality,

00:12:41.560 somebody who, you know, liberal shares my values. And that's pretty common, especially in academia.

00:12:47.260 I mean, academia leans left. You don't find people, even like conservatives, um, they may have

00:12:53.060 personal moral qualms with it, but they're not like, at least in lawyer world, they're not like

00:12:57.720 304, like they're not, they don't engage like your audience does. So you want to date a more liberal

00:13:03.740 guy? Yeah, always. And do you consider yourself to be liberal? Yeah, libertarian left, probably center

00:13:09.580 left depends on the issue. Okay. Uh, well let's actually go around the table because I think politics

00:13:15.060 is very, uh, intimately tied to some degree to dating. Exactly. Because obviously you want to be with

00:13:21.180 someone who shares your values. Uh, what's everyone's like political leanings, whether you're

00:13:25.680 left, right, moderate, apolitical? I think I'm apolitical. So is that where you're just not

00:13:34.100 political? Pretty much. Yeah. So apolitical. Uh, fairly progressive left. Yeah. Fairly progressive.

00:13:41.380 Okay. Well, I, I introduced myself as, you know, working with TPUSA and Blaze TV, which if you're

00:13:46.400 familiar with them, I don't, I don't think it'd surprise anyone to know that I am right

00:13:50.060 wing. Okay. Um, I would say I'm pretty moderate, a little more right leaning just because I grew

00:13:59.040 up with my family just naturally being pretty traditional. Sure. So ties. Okay. Um, so we

00:14:07.320 can definitely dive into some of the more politics related issues later on in the show. But, uh,

00:14:14.120 so I think one of the things that you were talking about is you won't have an issue getting a guy

00:14:21.500 who's a lawyer. Is that your type of lawyer? Not really. I dated a guy in law school, but besides

00:14:27.660 that they're not, they can be, I like guys that are smart. I like guys that I feel like are on the

00:14:33.200 same level as me intellectually, mentally, and those things. But like, for instance, before I even started

00:14:38.560 doing this, so before like two years ago, I didn't have an Instagram or anything. Like I had no digital

00:14:42.940 footprint. And there was one guy that I like went on one date with and he made a comment like,

00:14:48.520 Oh, it's really nice. You don't have an Instagram because girls that look like you are usually 1.00

00:14:51.780 showing off their bodies on Instagram. I ghosted him after that. Like, I'm just not into that kind

00:14:56.860 of thinking at all. So when I say, he said, Oh, it's nice. You don't have an Instagram. Cause usually

00:15:02.580 girls are showing off their bodies on Instagram. So I didn't have an Instagram and a lot of guys 1.00

00:15:07.460 thought that was cool, but I care why you thought that was cool. Do you think it's cool? Cause I'm just

00:15:10.960 more present that I want to live life that I don't really spend my time on social media.

00:15:15.840 That's cool. But if you like that, I don't have an Instagram because I'm not showing my body off.

00:15:19.980 Even when I wasn't, I had no interest in men like that then or now. So a guy wanting a girl who has 0.57

00:15:25.920 limited or no social media presence or isn't posting revealing photos that to you is a

00:15:32.440 deal breaker, a deal breaker. Absolutely. Okay. And that was then and now. So do you,

00:15:38.960 why do you think men might care about? Um, there's a multitude of reasons, all of which are deal

00:15:46.560 breakers. So he could just have more religious or conservative social values, which I don't,

00:15:50.940 and that's never going to work. Um, he could be insecure. He could be territorial. So there's not

00:15:56.360 a single reason I could think of that I would not consider to be a deal breaker. Okay. So that's

00:16:02.480 just for me now, maybe different for other people. So you're perfect guy, right? But on this one,

00:16:10.320 this one thing he doesn't want, he wouldn't be my perfect guy. Like that's literally the foundation

00:16:17.620 of what you're looking for first is people who share your values. So he couldn't even begin to

00:16:24.320 be my perfect guy. If sure. Well, let's go around the table on that. So would you have an issue

00:16:29.960 dating a guy? Would it be a deal breaker as it is for her, for a guy to not want you to be posting

00:16:38.420 revealing photos on social media? I mean, it's kind of tricky for me now. Um, I've recently gotten

00:16:45.460 into modeling again and, um, I usually do swimwear. And so my body is posted a lot. Um, so if he has a

00:16:55.120 problem, I don't think it would be as strong of a deal breaker, but it would probably be a topic of

00:17:01.080 conversation quite frequently between us. Cause that's part of it. Okay. That's not something I

00:17:07.700 typically post. That's just not what my Instagram looks like. So it's never something that's been an

00:17:12.440 issue. And your Instagram is, Oh, hold on. Bender, the offender donated $99. Hey, thank you,

00:17:19.120 Bender. One of the topics that she debated Myron on is the corn industry is ethical. I can do that 0.96

00:17:24.620 again. Uh, maybe we'll touch on it later, but Hey, Bender, good to see you in the chat, man. Thank

00:17:29.860 you. Appreciate it. Uh, your Instagram is private, correct? That's correct. Okay. All right.

00:17:36.820 It's not that exciting. I used to race mountain bikes, so it's mostly pictures of that.

00:17:41.880 Aviation photos. Yeah. Lots of airplanes too. Okay. Uh, Lauren, your thoughts? Um, it wouldn't be a deal

00:17:48.820 breaker if my husband said, don't post provocative photos of yourself. I don't do that. And I think

00:17:53.580 that's, I mean, tacitly our understanding that I wouldn't do that. My husband is, I would say even

00:17:58.660 more socially conservative than I am. And, uh, I think it's true what you said about value. So for

00:18:03.000 he and I, that's something we share. So it's not an issue. I don't really think it's a deal breaker

00:18:09.060 either. I mean, you model. So I guess for every other model, that's like a whole different story,

00:18:13.940 but I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to want that. So what you're saying

00:18:20.380 is neither of you two could date Jonah Hill. No. I don't think Jonah Hill would want to

00:18:25.800 date me. I don't think I'm his type and the feelings mutual. Yeah. No. I believe our remaining

00:18:32.880 guest has arrived. Nick, if Nick, if you want to go ahead and grab him. Uh, we have one last

00:18:39.880 person joining us. Uh, if you're just tuning in, uh, hurricane. So it's, uh, an earthquake.

00:18:46.320 Yeah. There's also an earthquake guys. Oh, that's right. We should have pulled it up. Um,

00:18:50.520 here. Oh shoot. That's what I forgot to, uh, do. Well, when Nick is back, we can pull up,

00:18:57.440 but basically the path of the hurricane just barely missed, uh, Santa Barbara. So we're so

00:19:03.880 far doing okay, but, uh, so, okay. Major deal breaker. Yes. But you used to not post revealing

00:19:14.580 photos and the guy liked that. Yeah. That was a deal breaker. So he liked what you were

00:19:19.140 doing. He liked. So yeah, a few years ago I was just a lawyer. Oh, hold on. Just a sec.

00:19:27.620 Azu donated $99. Men don't want women who show themselves off online. It shows you have 1.00

00:19:34.960 no self respect or that you feel like you have no other value than your body. No, it

00:19:40.060 shows that you don't have respect for me or that you think I don't have any other value

00:19:43.800 than my body. That's not how I feel. We don't want women who, uh, it shows you have no self 1.00

00:19:49.720 respect or that feel like you have no other value than your body. Um, I have tons of value

00:19:55.720 to myself. He may not think so, but who cares what he thinks? Uh, his name is, what was his

00:20:02.200 name? Whatever. User 227 something. Yeah. By the way, guys, my voice is all fucked up because 0.84

00:20:07.980 I was, uh, sick. So yeah, it's, uh, I have a question for Jasmine. Um, what made you kind 0.97

00:20:15.680 of like transform from your attorney job to just doing only fans? So I guess I got to go

00:20:23.880 back to like the reason I was an attorney. I grew up in a Iranian immigrant household,

00:20:28.040 so they have like really stringent academic expectations on us. It's like the traditional

00:20:32.060 doctor, lawyer, engineer path. My mom's a lawyer. My sister's like everyone in my family's a

00:20:36.760 lawyer. So I kind of was, it's not like I was doing it because I was like, I've always

00:20:40.080 wanted to be a lawyer. It's what I've wanted to do since I was a little girl. I'm just into

00:20:44.360 it like book smart. And so I knew it wouldn't be like too difficult to become one. So when it

00:20:49.360 was getting closer to graduation, I was like, everyone else was really excited to graduate. And I was

00:20:53.680 like, this isn't what I want to do, but I thought I didn't have a choice. So it was actually when I

00:20:57.980 was studying for the bar that I just started the only fans, not knowing that it would turn into

00:21:01.840 what it is. And then when I saw that it could definitely be a career for me, it was like a

00:21:06.980 no brainer. So more time, money, happiness, freedom. How did you like discover it? Cause you

00:21:11.600 said you like, didn't really have any socials. Like you never really posted things. Yeah. So I heard

00:21:15.980 of it in 20, like 20 when the pandemic was, was happening. And, um, so I heard of it, but it was just

00:21:21.840 not something I thought I could do. Cause I didn't have any social media. I actually had

00:21:25.100 a friend in law school who had one too, and she started at first. I was like, okay, if

00:21:29.640 she can do it, maybe I can do it. So that's kind of how it started. What was your first

00:21:34.160 impression of hearing it? Because I thought it was cool. Like I was like, cool. And a way

00:21:39.080 for people to make money. Okay. Yeah. Especially women. Sure. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay.

00:21:46.960 Mm-hmm. Okay. So your whole family's lawyers. Um, my dad's an engineer, but like my sister

00:21:54.560 and my mom are lawyers and like a bunch of my cousins, mom and my sister, before anyone

00:21:59.920 asks, she's a lawyer. She's a normal lawyer. Not an OnlyFans lawyer. She does. She actually

00:22:04.040 still doesn't know. Cause people ask that. No, my sister's a goody two shoes. Do you

00:22:09.520 have any brothers? No, no brothers. Just a, just one sister. One sister. Okay. What

00:22:14.860 did, what was your parents' reaction to you starting, uh, OnlyFans? They were fucking 0.99

00:22:18.780 pissed. They were really mad. Um, I told them myself and they didn't talk to me for a few 1.00

00:22:24.820 months. They knew before I got my firm position. And when I got that, they kind of

00:22:29.920 texted me like, okay, it's really good. You got this job now you can quit the bullshit, 0.99

00:22:34.700 whatever. And I was like, no. So there was like actually a moment where I had like an 1.00

00:22:38.340 ultimatum. So I'm really close to my dad. And when he found out now I know they had

00:22:43.860 like some family meeting because my dad is never this like, like well-spoken. And so

00:22:48.700 he called me and he was just like super calm. He's like, and I was super both emotionally

00:22:54.320 dependent on my parents and at the time financially. So they supported me through law school. I did

00:22:58.840 get a full ride to my school. So they supported me with all the other finances and stuff. And

00:23:03.080 my dad had actually recently bought a house and, um, for me to like live in and stuff.

00:23:07.860 And he calls me and he's like, you, you, you know what? This is a terrible thing you're

00:23:12.560 doing. You don't have to do this. This is only for girls who are from those kinds of families. 0.88

00:23:16.700 Like all of those traditional stereotypes you get with like the adult content industry.

00:23:21.180 And he's like, okay, if you stop now, it's fine. Like if you stop now, it's fine. You can

00:23:27.460 keep the money or I think you should donate it to charity, but just stop now, go, go down

00:23:32.540 the right path. And that was the first time in my life that I was just like, I remember

00:23:36.260 being on the phone. I was just like, no. And they were like, so confused. Cause that's

00:23:40.380 not something that I ever normally did. And that's just so our people in our culture aren't

00:23:45.400 raised like that. And we don't normally do that. So they were pissed. They didn't talk

00:23:48.160 to me for a few months, but now they got over it. So my dad actually set up my ring light

00:23:52.920 in my place. When did you reveal? How long ago did you reveal to your parents?

00:23:58.580 Oh, like within a few months of me starting it because we were so close that I wasn't

00:24:02.160 going to be good at keeping the secret. I was still using like my dad's credit card

00:24:05.640 for everything. And now I have my own money and it was just gonna, it was going to come

00:24:09.620 out anyway. Okay. Are you back on good terms?

00:24:15.260 Yes. So it's kind of, now we have kind of like a don't ask, don't tell policy, at least

00:24:19.560 with my dad, with my, like they know, but they're just like, okay, don't talk to me

00:24:23.780 about it. And then with my mom, I'm always like trying to debate her and get it. So

00:24:26.900 she actually is afraid to talk about it with me because she knows I'm just going to be ready

00:24:30.700 to go. Okay. You have a problem with sex work. Let's hear it kind of thing. So she kind 0.90

00:24:34.720 of just doesn't know. Don't ask, don't tell kind of thing too.

00:24:37.600 Okay. Well, welcome to the panel. Um, hello. Let's have you a name, age occupation, please.

00:24:45.420 Yes. Hi, I'm Emily Rainey. I'm 26 and I do social media and OnlyFans.

00:24:52.700 Relationship status. I'm in a relationship. How long? Um, actually yesterday was four years

00:25:00.580 since we met, but we became official November four years ago. So. Okay. Yeah. All right.

00:25:07.500 Welcome. Thank you. And you, uh, did you say your career? Social media and OnlyFans.

00:25:14.300 Yes. Okay. All right. Yeah. Uh, are you and your father on good terms? We are. So me and

00:25:22.000 my father are super close, like super close. He spoiled me my whole life. So he, he couldn't

00:25:27.820 actually stay mad at me. He lasted about three or four months, but that was like the longest

00:25:32.940 he'd ever been mad at me. And now he's just like, all right. And now he just lectured me

00:25:37.000 on saving the money, you know? Sure. Yeah. Uh, you do OnlyFans. Did you reveal to your

00:25:43.900 parents that you, uh, make adult content? Um, well, they know I do OnlyFans. I haven't

00:25:50.020 necessarily revealed that I do adult content, but I'm pretty sure they have a good idea.

00:25:55.000 You haven't come out of the closet to them? Yeah. Like I've never explicitly said, yeah.

00:26:03.600 I mean, I've said like, oh yeah, like I post like topless, but I've never said like anything

00:26:08.580 past that. I think they suspect it, but I honestly. Can you just scoot your microphone

00:26:14.440 a little bit to the left? Yeah. Perfect. Good. Okay. Well, welcome. Uh, Lauren, what are your

00:26:22.600 thoughts on, uh, adult content? Do you think adult content should be banned? Um, banned

00:26:32.920 is, uh, all my libertarian followers are going to be like, no, it shouldn't be banned. I think

00:26:37.340 it is not healthy for individuals or for society, whether it should be banned by the government.

00:26:43.020 Uh, I tend to be more small government, so outright banned. I, I, I could have a, you know,

00:26:49.600 conversation with someone who agrees with it being banned and I could maybe have some common

00:26:53.360 ground. I'm at the very least in favor of, um, very strict age restrictions. Like we're beginning

00:26:57.940 to see some States introduced. And, uh, I, I just think that, you know, if, if you're pro woman,

00:27:03.520 which I am, um, you know, it's amazing that you're doing so well on only fans, but I think it's

00:27:07.220 important that we have a conversation about the majority of women who are not doing so well on only

00:27:11.900 fans and who do regret, uh, you know, participating in different sex work. Uh, cause it's any,

00:27:16.640 I feel like anytime we talk about only fans as content creators, it's usually focusing on the

00:27:20.920 people who are making millions. And I think that incentivizes a lot of women to get into it 1.00

00:27:24.540 just for the money when odds are there's not going to be any money for them. And it, it may be

00:27:29.840 something they're regretting. So I agree with you that there are things people should look at before

00:27:33.920 starting only fans. There are consequences to it. And you're right. It's people who are just trying

00:27:38.600 to jump into it for a quick buck to make money. I don't recommend that those girls start it. 1.00

00:27:43.340 I was really lucky because when I started, I had this whole other career in front of me,

00:27:47.400 so I didn't do anything I was uncomfortable with. I was kind of like, okay, if I make money,

00:27:51.060 like whatever, but people who are like, I need money, let me start it. I don't think

00:27:54.560 that you should, especially if you're younger. Yeah. I agree with you there.

00:27:58.160 Didn't they do some bands? Oh, hold on.

00:28:01.300 Wiley Coyote 5 Oden, $99 to the future pilot. Hello from Zab. Good luck with your CFI fly safe and hope

00:28:10.820 to talk to you on frequency soon. God bless. Do you have anything to say to Wiley Coyote?

00:28:19.100 Blue skies. Blue skies. Is that it? Okay. That's, that was nice. By the way, guys, the sky is

00:28:26.340 weird. It's like magically, yeah. Can you see a rainbow? Look at the rainbow. Oh, is it visible?

00:28:33.120 Yeah. Oh, wait. A huge rainbow. Can you guys, can you guys see it? Hold on, let me. It's like a little,

00:28:40.360 you can see like a shadow of it. But it's really like vibrant in person. It's really pretty. Can you see?

00:28:47.460 Whoa, I didn't even see it for a day. There's a double rainbow. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Because I

00:28:52.720 thought you guys were talking about this one, then I looked over and said.

00:28:55.740 Investor 05 donated $99. Men need to have offshore asset protection. Brian, this is 100%

00:29:03.700 bulletproof to protect from financial losses from divorce. If I could come on the show, I could

00:29:09.500 explain in detail. I'd end you on Insta to your personal, same username. Level the playing field.

00:29:16.880 I'd be, I don't do divorces, but I'd be weary of that. That sounds like inadequate disclosure,

00:29:24.140 which could throw out a prenup. Oh, we have another one. Well, I'll adjust it.

00:29:28.380 Donated $99. Jasmine, if you told a man you're into that you did not listen to your parents,

00:29:34.800 I guarantee that he is thinking if she didn't listen to her parents, why would she listen

00:29:39.520 to me? Your response to Bender. If he's sitting across from me wondering why would she listen

00:29:45.000 to me, then yeah, we're not compatible. He should get up and leave. Absolutely. There

00:29:51.900 you have it, Bender. TJ, just to address your chat here that came in. Offshore asset protection.

00:29:59.360 I think that's, you have to be pretty wealthy for it to become worth it, I think, to like

00:30:08.520 put your assets offshore. That's usually like people that have what, mid seven figure, what

00:30:18.840 looks like your parents. Private jets. Your parents may have some offshore accounts. It also

00:30:23.620 depends on how you make your money. I mean, if you're making money in the United States, you

00:30:26.760 have to pay Uncle Sam. Like if you're, if you have offshore revenue streams, then you

00:30:31.020 would maybe be able to structure things in terms of like shell corporations, but the US 0.82

00:30:35.920 has worldwide taxation. So the IRS will get you wherever you are, I guess. But

00:30:43.080 taxation is theft. Oh, based. Okay. There you have it. But yeah, it's pretty complicated.

00:30:50.960 I thought like when you're in billionaire status, that's when you're thinking about moving your 0.99

00:30:57.380 shit offshore. I don't know. I don't think that's a good divorce strategy because if you 0.99

00:31:02.780 had a prenup, I think that would be considered an adequate disclosure and that would throw

00:31:06.200 out your prenup. I'm not a hundred percent sure. Like I never did divorce, but do you believe

00:31:12.180 in prenups? Yeah. I a hundred percent believe in prenups. I think everyone should get a prenup.

00:31:16.300 Are you going to have a prenup? A hundred percent. I don't even, I don't want to get married, but I

00:31:20.740 would maybe get married for the social economic, whatever benefits there are. And, but I wouldn't

00:31:25.480 get married in the sense of we're going to be together forever till death do us part. Like

00:31:28.240 I'm not in favor of that, but if I were to get the actual legal marriage, I would a hundred

00:31:33.580 percent have a prenup, whether they made more money or I made more money. I mean, I guess

00:31:37.500 if they made more money and they're like, whatever, then sure. But Jasmine, can I have

00:31:42.280 you read this chat, please? Absolutely. If any of you idiots in the chat sub to these,

00:31:48.660 these girls, OF, I will find out and shame you publicly. This lawyer wants a simp cuck beta 1.00

00:31:54.920 as a guy who has no masculine traits that kisses her sloppy fourths after a day of shooting.

00:32:00.220 Worst decision was leaving law for OF. Ooh, that was hard to read the grammar and spelling

00:32:04.660 in your, in these audiences. Like it's not even like sixth grade proficient, but sure publicly

00:32:11.380 shame people. Go for it. You seem very happy. Okay. There you have it. We have

00:32:15.760 Picos. Oh. Cost times donated $500. Brian Atlas shrugged. I concur and support. Big labia

00:32:27.700 matter. However, I want to reassure ladies on the panel that all labia matter. Say no to 1.00

00:32:33.580 labiaplasty. Ladies love your parts. Word? Word. Yeah. I am fervently anti labiaplasty. And on that note, 0.84

00:32:47.900 actually plastic surgery. Not a fan. Okay. You got any plastic surgery, Jasmine? No, but I have filler.

00:32:56.800 Jasmine. No, these literally, these are real. No, I'm not talking there. I believe you there.

00:33:01.340 Where? Do you have lip filler? Yeah, but that's not plastic surgery. That's filler. 0.70

00:33:05.960 Okay. Cosmetic. Yes. I have, I have filler. Does it fall under cosmetic surgery? I have filler

00:33:09.620 in my face. Is that all you have? Do you have? No, I just told you. Lipo? No. Jasmine. No. Don't lie to me.

00:33:17.640 No. I've looked like this since I was like, literally people who went to middle school and high school

00:33:23.880 with me can tell, can tell you. This is, I was known in middle school and high school as the girl with

00:33:28.600 the huge tits and the tiny waist. So unless I got it when I was like 13, because that's 0.96

00:33:33.880 when my reputation started as the girl with the huge tits. Yeah. And they're, my tits are 1.00

00:33:39.420 clearly real. You guys are all two clicks away from figuring that out. You should go check 0.99

00:33:42.980 it out. There's people that are natural in the world like that. Yeah. I'm pretty sure.

00:33:50.320 What, what, what? You want to see? No, I don't want to. Don't.

00:33:57.860 But, but I have had your fucking Twitter though. Yeah. You sure you didn't get the, like, no, 0.99

00:34:04.900 but okay for the Twitter, like, no, but I did sleep. I sleep in a corset a lot and that's

00:34:10.380 helped, but I've always had a really like, look at my rib cage. Like this is just where

00:34:13.420 my rib cage is. All right. Okay. All right. If you say so. Pico Steins. Thank you very much.

00:34:20.300 Thank you very much for your very generous donation. Uh, much appreciated. Uh, anybody

00:34:25.760 else here ever considered doing plastic surgery? So I've actually had two plastic surgeries,

00:34:30.820 but they were reconstructive after a mountain bike crash on my face. So you see how the side

00:34:34.800 of my lip is a little lopsided. And then I also have a scar on the side of my nose. So

00:34:40.540 I've had some, I've had some surgeries for that, but not just, but to, to fix a, uh, not

00:34:46.940 for purely cosmetic, not purely cosmetic, but you know, I was, I had him do a few extra things

00:34:55.580 while I was there. Okay. All right. I'm not against it. Like I've done cool sculpting,

00:35:01.060 but that's not, I've had filler under my eye. I get asked about that all the time. Um, I

00:35:06.740 don't want to hide it, but I also don't want to be the person where it's like, you have to

00:35:09.960 get it. Like, I don't want to be promoting it, but I also don't feel like I should hide it.

00:35:14.940 So it's kind of, it's hard to, and I would definitely like, if I have kids, I'm going

00:35:19.060 to get a mommy makeover like the next day. So. Okay. Yeah. There you have it folks. There

00:35:24.000 you have it. We have, uh, Oh San Diego Fuego donated $100. Hey Brixton. Love the show. I'm

00:35:33.840 21 years old and I go to UC San Diego. My girlfriend is a feminist. Last night we had 1.00

00:35:40.980 an argument. She kept talking about male privilege. Question for the panel. Do you

00:35:46.260 think male privilege and all white privilege exists? Yeah, we can talk about that. Go

00:35:51.020 ahead, Jasmine. Do I think it exists? Yes. Male privilege? Yeah. White privilege? Both?

00:35:56.740 Yeah. Okay. Especially if we're looking at it worldwide. Is there, what about female 1.00

00:36:01.460 privilege? Yeah. I think gender inequality can go both ways. Okay. Yeah, I agree. I mean, 0.93

00:36:07.520 there's even pretty privilege. There's like almost anything can be a privilege in some

00:36:11.500 way. Yeah. True. I agree with that. And I also think it's important to, uh, determine the

00:36:18.840 situation it's in. Like for, in my line of work, there's so few women that it absolutely 0.92

00:36:23.560 male privilege is super strong. Um, but you know, that definitely is not the case across

00:36:28.320 the board. In, you, you mean in aviation? In aviation. Male privilege is pronounced in aviation?

00:36:35.520 Yeah. It's hard because there's so few women. I think only it's maybe 4%, 4 to 6% of commercial 1.00

00:36:44.580 pilots are women. Um, and because of that, of course, companies are always trying to diversify. 1.00

00:36:50.120 So there's always a lot of push to just hire women regardless of their ability level. And

00:36:55.160 because of that, generally men in the industry try to typically treat women, um, as if they're

00:37:01.860 not as skilled, just because of how companies tend to hire people based on diversity hire

00:37:08.400 type situations. And because of that, um, men are definitely treated better and thought

00:37:13.760 of as better pilots across the board.

00:37:15.920 Uh, we'll go. Question though. Do you think, do you think there's like, so if there's a discrepancy

00:37:22.920 in the workforce, do you think it's always explained by sexism?

00:37:27.080 No. Well, partially, right? So, I mean, I, Richard Reeves' book just really explained this. And I don't

00:37:32.800 remember who the researchers he referenced was, but like, for instance, we often hear that women 1.00

00:37:37.020 like people and boys like things. And that may be true on average, but they did a study where I think

00:37:41.720 there's like 5 to 15% female engineers and like a small percentage of nurses. But they did a study 1.00

00:37:47.180 that if there was a complete gender equality and people were free to choose whatever profession 0.97

00:37:51.240 they want, it'd be about 30% male nurses and 30% female engineers. So it's showing that, yes, 0.73

00:37:57.640 in general. Alvin, Sam donated $99. Jasmine, it's laughable and hypocritical that you have ethical

00:38:05.440 discernment about the corn industry, but you cannot accept ethical discernment from men about female 0.94

00:38:11.840 modesty, which is what our mothers and grandmothers expect out of a woman. Our grandmothers and mothers, 0.99

00:38:17.840 our great grandmothers were racist. Like there's a, we've obviously evolved. And if you guys want to

00:38:22.180 get into a discussion on ethics and where you get your ethics, we can. That'll be deep, a deep

00:38:27.580 philosophical conversation, but we can get it. We can do it if you want. I think you were. Oh, yeah.

00:38:36.240 So it would be around like 30%. Yeah. 30% female engineers and like 30% male nurses or something 1.00

00:38:42.200 around that. Don't quote me on the exact percentage. So yes, there would still be more male engineers and 1.00

00:38:46.660 female engineers, but there would be more female engineers than there are now. So it's not all 1.00

00:38:51.040 nature and it's not all nurture. It's, it's a mix. But I've, I've read or heard of other studies where,

00:38:58.640 or for example, in certain Scandinavian countries where they've done the most to try to equalize

00:39:05.520 things, but between the genders, you actually see more pronounced differences. In what context? Like

00:39:12.580 it, this is just a study done. When it comes to the types of employment that people pursue.

00:39:16.960 Like I said, you'll still see a difference on average, but how large that difference is in what?

00:39:23.080 Well, like for, I think for example, countries that are perhaps a bit more engulfed that have higher

00:39:29.800 rates of poverty. It's actually, you're more likely to see women become engineers in those kinds of 0.91

00:39:34.660 societies. So you're saying in countries that have more pro-social policies, maybe women are able, 0.99

00:39:40.060 people are able to get by on a one person income and maybe they, if you want to jump in.

00:39:45.640 I think I'm familiar with your, the study that you're talking about. I know Jordan Peterson

00:39:48.880 references it. So the Scandinavian countries, they're probably best known for being very

00:39:53.000 progressive socially. They have a lot of like pro-equality and egalitarian policies. When we

00:39:58.240 look at their economies, they're actually more gender segregated than economies like the U.S. 0.99

00:40:02.640 in terms of women gravitating more toward things like early childhood education or childcare, 1.00

00:40:07.240 men gravitating toward things like in the STEM field. So there's less gender equality displayed

00:40:11.780 real world in job professions when we have more, I guess, personal freedom and agency.

00:40:18.260 I don't know the study that you're referencing though and how it was conducted.

00:40:21.340 I think it was James Wong. It's in Richard Reeves' book and he's talked about it before,

00:40:26.420 like on Michael Sartain's podcast too. So that was that study. I also would think in countries

00:40:30.900 like that, there are more pro-family policies that allow people to get by on like a one person income.

00:40:35.940 So I think it would make sense that there would be a lot more women maybe in those societies who can 1.00

00:40:40.020 stay home and choose to stay home because one part person has to, or unless you want to pay for

00:40:46.060 childcare, stay home. And maybe in general, women are more likely to make that choice. 1.00

00:40:53.280 Any response?

00:40:54.500 I don't know what the rates are for like, I guess, women in those countries choosing to be stay-at-home

00:40:59.020 mothers. But it's interesting because those like very pro-family policies do exist in those 0.98

00:41:03.840 Scandinavian countries. And I often hear them brought up when it comes to things like in the

00:41:07.740 U.S. there's no guaranteed maternity leave. And the population, I guess, it's in decline because

00:41:14.440 of the birth rate. I think it's 1.6 in the U.S. and obviously replacement is 2.1. So anytime people

00:41:19.740 bring this up, it's very common to say, well, it's because we don't have pro-family policies.

00:41:23.760 Of course, people can't have kids. It's too expensive. We don't have childcare. We don't have

00:41:27.400 mat leave or paternity leave. It's interesting because the countries that do have those pro-social

00:41:31.640 policies, pro-family policies, they actually sometimes even have lower birth rates than

00:41:36.100 the United States. So it's not necessarily the case that, oh, if we just give people more

00:41:41.260 government benefits or guarantees when they have a family, they'll be encouraged to have

00:41:44.540 a family, which isn't necessarily...

00:41:46.360 Yeah, I didn't necessarily say that. I think one of the reasons from what I've read that

00:41:50.520 the birth rate is declining here is because we have less young, young people, teen pregnancies,

00:41:54.960 just adolescent risk behavior has just gone down in general, less drunk driving, less... That's

00:41:59.140 also one of the reasons people are having less sex, that you always point to, men having

00:42:02.540 less sex, and women under 30 is because, especially under 25, is because people are getting married 0.92

00:42:08.700 later, they're starting families later, they're having kids later. So that is also contributing

00:42:12.600 to a lot of these stats.

00:42:15.380 Ward? I don't really buy into this privilege concept, though. I don't believe in male privilege.

00:42:21.820 Either way, but you believe in female privilege. 1.00

00:42:23.460 Hold on. Yeah, thank you, Brandon.

00:42:28.660 Jasmine, is it? Heard you talk about how the size of your breasts will make more money than 1.00

00:42:33.580 being a lawyer. One that is incorrect. However, despite that, is money more important in your 0.94

00:42:39.360 life than self-respect, value, and serving the community in better ways?

00:42:44.960 Okay, so no. Nothing is more important to me than my self-respect and my values, but you

00:42:49.340 don't share my values. So my money is definitely more important than your values and your respect

00:42:54.540 of me. Also, it is definitely correct that you can make more money doing this.

00:42:58.800 Hold on just a sec. Can you read this? Actually, it didn't come through.

00:43:03.080 Me?

00:43:03.560 Yeah.

00:43:03.960 Do you think if a man buys something like a fleshy pro, which you would probably call a,

00:43:09.020 I don't know what that is, machine, diminishes a man's masculinity, is there a double standard

00:43:13.580 when it comes to societal acceptance of women buying sex toys compared to men? Ooh, a correct, 1.00

00:43:18.360 overall correct chat?

00:43:19.580 Yeah, we can talk. We can talk about that.

00:43:21.220 But what I was saying is, like, my job as a lawyer, when I was doing a lot of estate planning,

00:43:24.980 was, like, I was helping rich people avoid paying estate tax. Like, you think that's a

00:43:29.160 better help to the community? I mean, there's just, like, this pressure on sex workers, like,

00:43:33.180 oh my God, what are you doing to help the community? When a lot of other jobs, some attorneys,

00:43:37.480 you could argue, aren't doing much to help the community either.

00:43:39.800 Do you think you could create, like, a discount code for people that are low earners for your

00:43:46.660 content?

00:43:48.060 I keep my prices really low. It's only $6.99. I could be charging a lot more, especially

00:43:52.500 with the amount of content I have on there. I also go live once a week completely naked.

00:43:55.760 Do you think there should be, like, a government, the government should, you know, in the same

00:44:00.400 way that there's, like, SNAP benefits, like CalFresh, like, food benefits, like, maybe,

00:44:05.700 like, a monthly allowance for... I think if we were to monetize all porn, then yes.

00:44:12.260 But it's not all monetized yet, though, so...

00:44:14.600 Government-funded.

00:44:15.540 Yeah. If we monetize all porn, sure.

00:44:18.640 I'm kidding. Let's not do that. Okay. So there was another one that came through that we were

00:44:25.000 trying to read. Hold on. Let me pull that one back up. He was talking about use of

00:44:30.780 adult toys, and he says that there's a double standard when it comes to societal acceptance

00:44:40.340 between men and women on that. Let me ask this. Let me frame it like this. Would it be

00:44:47.500 a turnoff for you if you found out that, like, a potential boyfriend, a guy that you're going

00:44:54.400 to date, he had some toys that were made for men, for male use? Like what? Like a

00:45:02.120 fleshlight type of... No, that wouldn't bother me. The only thing that would bother me if

00:45:06.760 it was, like, a toy, like, that indicated he had a fetish that I didn't have, and that

00:45:12.380 fetish was really central to his sexuality. Like, I just, like, me and my partner should

00:45:16.060 be really sexually compatible, so if he had a lot of, like, butt toys, it's not my thing 0.69

00:45:21.020 to engage in that with guys. I don't think there's a problem with it, but I wouldn't

00:45:25.120 find us to be super sexually compatible, which that would be my issue. Okay. I wouldn't

00:45:31.400 have a problem at all. I usually date people that live far away from me, so I understand

00:45:37.200 that everyone has needs, and, you know, your partner's not there to fulfill them. I think

00:45:42.260 I would be a little taken aback if they tried to use it while I was there, especially like

00:45:48.420 a fleshlight. I don't think I would see the point if I was there, but... Okay.

00:45:55.280 Yeah, I agree with that. If I'm there, then I would be a little bit weirded out by that.

00:46:00.600 Like, I would maybe feel like something was wrong with me, or something like that, but,

00:46:05.580 you know, in general, it's not a problem.

00:46:09.960 Yeah, I don't see it as a problem really at all. I, like, personally want someone who is

00:46:16.000 really sexually active and, like, wants to, like, explore different things, so I just

00:46:21.460 wouldn't mind at all. I mean, it's not, like, a real person, so...

00:46:25.340 Okay. Lauren?

00:46:27.400 Well, I think you're right that there is a double standard the way that society views

00:46:31.760 sex toys for men versus women. I think we're at a stage where women are very much encouraged 0.99

00:46:37.040 to be, you know, embracing their own sexuality and things like that, whereas at any time it

00:46:41.220 comes up with something to do with a man, whether it be something like a flashlight,

00:46:44.360 their shame is being incels.

00:46:45.380 TJ underscore investor 05 donated $99. Not expensive. Max 40k. You'll have lifetime protection

00:46:53.400 from divorce and any lawsuit. Don't listen to fake lawyer who passed the bar by getting

00:46:58.440 on her knees. This is 100% legal, bulletproof, tax neutral. Have me on, brother. You have audience,

00:47:06.460 I have info. Okay. Um, I'll check my DMs. Uh, word? Okay. Uh, Madison, your take on the

00:47:18.960 whole thing? If, uh, Frankie was... I think it's a little bit odd if you were, um, to have

00:47:25.100 sex toys, not only just men, but, like, women as well. It's different if you're in, like, 0.65

00:47:28.620 if you're in a relationship. I understand why both of you would want sex toys, maybe just

00:47:33.920 spice it up a little bit, but for the reason that also I think sex toys, like, completely 0.82

00:47:39.300 transform your, like, sensation of sex as well. Okay. Like, the more you do utilize them.

00:47:46.080 Word. Yeah, I'm not opposed to, uh, spicing things up a little bit in, uh, it's fine. I'm

00:47:55.980 fine with it. Okay. All right. Um, we've gotten a lot of chats that came through. I forgot exactly

00:48:03.220 where we were. We were talking about male privilege, and I came in with a hot take

00:48:07.620 that I don't believe in. Only female privilege exists for you. Pretty much. Okay. Pretty 1.00

00:48:12.620 much. But, uh, no, I mean, I think when you, when you look at privilege, and this is maybe

00:48:21.060 an interesting take, I think you need to look at the totality of somebody's circumstances

00:48:25.340 to establish if they genuinely have privileges, because, like, a male, like, I would argue 0.95

00:48:31.040 upon birth, men, like, what male privilege do men have? I mean, they, they have their

00:48:36.620 genitals mutilated upon birth. That doesn't strike me as a privilege. Um, so. 0.62

00:48:44.180 Depends on the, so, for instance, if you want to be a leader, and you want to be, like, in,

00:48:48.180 in politics, or you want to hold any of these high-powered leadership positions, those are

00:48:52.240 usually occupied by men, and there are. A very small proportion of men. It's an apex

00:48:58.400 fallacy. Is that, well, yeah, I understand that there isn't, like, every man isn't up

00:49:02.740 there, but if that's what you want to do. So, it depends what we're talking about. I

00:49:05.260 also think there's plenty of, um, uh, areas where men are falling behind, or men are

00:49:09.180 struggling. Sure. But you, it goes both ways. So, there, for instance, you talk about

00:49:13.660 it all the time. Men can be more promiscuous. That's a double standard, and women get shamed 0.70

00:49:17.760 for it. Women sex workers get shamed more than male sex workers. I mean, pick your issue, 1.00

00:49:22.560 and it can go one way or the other, and we all have privilege. All of us that are sitting

00:49:25.660 here, all of you that are watching that have internet, that have food, you guys all have

00:49:28.840 privilege. Privileges can come in so many forms. But this, oh, go ahead, Lauren. Sorry, I was

00:49:34.220 just going to say that I think you guys are both right, where there's no such thing as being

00:49:38.440 able to look at someone, their immutable characteristics, and say, I know you have more or less privilege

00:49:42.300 than me. It really depends on the situation. In some circumstances, it might be more beneficial

00:49:46.340 to be a female or a male. But I would say if we're talking just in terms of the legal system

00:49:50.800 purely, I would say that females tend to have more privileges because of things like you just 1.00

00:49:55.380 mentioned, diversity hiring when it comes to being a pilot. I can't think of, you know, any law that

00:50:00.180 currently exists where it's like, oh, you're a man. You're more likely to get in. We're going to put

00:50:04.160 your resume to the top just because of that, where I can think of many circumstances when that does apply

00:50:09.460 to being a female. So, I would agree that there should be a push. Like, we've pushed for women to get into 0.97

00:50:14.100 STEM jobs. One of the things I'm a big proponent of is pushing men to get into more what, like,

00:50:18.560 Reeves calls heel jobs, health, education, administration, literacy. So, I agree with you 1.00

00:50:23.140 that there should be a push. But the reason that that's not, that hasn't been the case is because

00:50:27.360 historically, for a long time, we've had a social system where men hold, held the majority of the

00:50:31.680 social, political, and economic power. So, I'm, in some ways, like with education, we are outpacing men

00:50:37.780 by a lot. So, we've kind of not only narrowed the gap, we've reversed it. But it depends on the

00:50:42.080 issue. I agree with her. I was going to say an example of male privilege would be, like, in the

00:50:49.360 flight industry, initially, men were more, there were a lot more men more in that industry. That's

00:50:58.440 what I'm trying to say. But it's also the factors that men were taking more risks to be in that

00:51:02.400 industry, like, initially, which is what. I mean, there's, like, a whole part of the

00:51:06.060 manosphere that literally constantly uses the example, like, if your plane was clashing, do

00:51:09.820 you want a male pilot or a female pilot? Like, basically insinuating that female pilots are 1.00

00:51:14.580 not as competent as males. And I think that's societal, that societal stereotype is an example

00:51:21.140 of male privilege. People assuming that because you're a woman, you're not as competent of a 0.93

00:51:24.800 pilot as a man. But it's male privilege that, I mean, a type of so-called male privilege that

00:51:29.020 has only arisen because females are getting jobs that they might otherwise 1.00

00:51:32.320 not get. So it's, I see what you're saying. If you are currently a pilot, you're going to

00:51:37.160 be assumed to be more confident if you're a man because you are not a diversity hire.

00:51:40.940 I don't think that's the only reason. People have always thought women were worse drivers, 1.00

00:51:44.240 so they think if she's a bad driver on the road, then she's probably a bad driver as a 1.00

00:51:48.080 pilot. I don't think it's just because everybody assumes you're a diversity hire. I think people

00:51:52.100 genuinely think women can't drive or women have worse spatial reasoning. I mean, that is 1.00

00:51:56.440 true on an average, though, that we have worse spatial reasoning. Yeah, but that, but to use

00:52:01.340 an average and to stereotype an individual is, is, is, is the problem, right? So yes,

00:52:06.180 on average, men maybe do, would, are more likely to be an engineer. But if I look at

00:52:10.140 you and be like, she's definitely not an engineer because men on average are more likely to be 1.00

00:52:13.740 an engineer, that would be a stupid way to think. You wanted to come in? Well, I was going to say, 0.99

00:52:19.600 you know, there definitely is an underlying issue. But I think diversity hires make it worse 1.00

00:52:25.660 for women in many industries, not just aviation. And then also to your point about, or women just

00:52:31.660 naturally being worse spatial reasoners. I actually work in the cognitive geography lab at UCSB,

00:52:37.820 and I can tell you that that's not entirely true. There are a lot of exceptions to that. And it's

00:52:43.620 really more based on the individual for each person's spatial abilities and cognition.

00:52:47.380 I mean, that's not entirely true, like on in aggregate, because that's, I guess,

00:52:52.980 the psychometric testing usually shows that men tend to do better. Not that it's like every

00:52:57.360 man is better than every woman. There's actually a big overlap, I think, with that. So yeah, 1.00

00:53:00.520 you're right on average, but there is a big overlap. There's more intragroup variation than

00:53:04.140 intergroup variation on that. Do you have more or? No, I mean, I wouldn't deny that. It's just that

00:53:10.740 there, there are the average differences, whether that's even with IQ, right? We men and women have same

00:53:16.220 average IQ, but the variation among men is greater, which is why you have more men at the tail ends,

00:53:20.900 right? You have more male geniuses, and you have more male, I mean, the gentlest way to say it is

00:53:25.380 people who perhaps do not excel academically. But on average, we are the same. I could easily see

00:53:30.920 that being the same with spatial intelligence. Sorry, hold on.

00:53:33.520 Matthew McCarthy donated $99. What up, Bree? Glad you're well. Sorry my boo baller was late. The storm

00:53:40.840 was much worse in LA. Baby looking hotter than ever. To counter Mrs. Chen earlier,

00:53:46.220 of empowers women, my boo baller is her own boss and only makes content she's comfy with on her own 1.00

00:53:52.120 terms. Yeah, that's very true. Your boyfriend calls you boobalala? And thank you. I'm, I'm boobala, 0.99

00:54:02.900 he's boobaloo. Yeah. So that's your boyfriend? Yeah, my boyfriend. Oh, okay. I was so lost that

00:54:10.160 entire time. Yeah, I didn't get that. Gotta give us some context. Okay. Well, and you brought up this,

00:54:18.260 uh, this talking point that, uh, about in a catastrophic flight scenario, how certain people

00:54:28.360 would prefer a male pilot over female pilot. This is a manosphere talking point. I mean, 0.90

00:54:33.440 didn't Andrew Tate famously say this and Andrew Tate did say it, but I think he added, I think you're

00:54:39.160 omitting the other portion of that. And he said, well, there are certain things that women, I think 0.91

00:54:43.040 women are better at, uh, than men are. Sure. For example, like child, child care related things. 1.00

00:54:48.540 Yeah, this is exactly my point. So I'm saying it cuts both ways. These gender stereotypes cut both 0.84

00:54:53.340 ways. So he's, is there a biological basis for these stereotypes? Like I said, there may be some

00:54:57.680 biological basis, but to believe that culture, culture and socialization doesn't make an impact

00:55:02.300 also is, you don't think there's like a innate temperament? There may be a slight, like on average,

00:55:09.040 maybe yes, but that's, but there's also social and socialization and culture, which is why you see

00:55:14.700 men and women behave differently in different cultures. So in, in like Western culture, we're a

00:55:19.160 little more egalitarian, but if you look at the East countries that are more in poverty, more war

00:55:23.620 stricken, those countries, there are more rigid gender roles still. So to believe that culture and 0.75

00:55:28.700 socialization have no impact is just stupid, right? We're not all bio, it's not all biological. 0.99

00:55:33.740 I don't think anybody's making that argument though, that there's no societal impact on people.

00:55:39.040 What do you, well, when you're saying that, oh, it's just innate that women are worse, 1.00

00:55:42.600 um, as pilots. No, I didn't say that. You're saying they said that. I'm saying that that's an example

00:55:47.100 of them using gender stereotypes and that's fueling gender equality because they're saying, oh, I would

00:55:52.120 rather have a male pilot because women are not as good at driving. Well, a lot of pilots, if you're a 1.00

00:55:56.940 female and you're going to be a pilot, you're probably actually just as good at driving as men. 1.00

00:56:00.800 You're not looking at everybody. You're looking at the women who chose to be pilots. So I don't think

00:56:04.800 that's a, I would personally, I don't have a gender preference if my plane is clashing on

00:56:08.780 who's. I have a question for you and I know you wanted to come in. Um, I mean, is there training

00:56:14.200 for, as a pilot, do you get trained for stress management in like catastrophic situations?

00:56:23.520 Absolutely you do. And as a flight instructor, part of what I'm responsible for teaching people

00:56:27.760 is aeronautical decision-making, you know, learning about hazardous attitudes and how to mitigate them

00:56:32.520 and how to process and manage different stressful situations. Um, we also do lots of in-flight

00:56:39.340 actual training, simulated engine failure, simulated engine fires, all kinds of different

00:56:43.700 stuff. And, you know, I think the basis of saying, oh, women are just worse pilots naturally. And I

00:56:48.900 would want a male if there was, the plane was crashing. I think that really just stems from 0.57

00:56:53.500 ignorance. Like they don't understand that the aviation industry at this point is so standardized

00:56:58.260 that everyone is taking the exact same exams and everyone, it's very unbiased. Um, you, like,

00:57:05.240 if your skills and your knowledge isn't up to par, that's going to be called out. And that's what

00:57:10.180 makes aviation overall, especially airlines, so safe at this point in time.

00:57:15.960 Look, I don't know what the truth is, but couldn't you argue that, that in stressful situations that

00:57:30.940 temperamentally, generally speaking, men do have some sort of better stress resilience?

00:57:40.080 No, because I think there are a ton of women, like I said, it could be true on average that are better 1.00

00:57:44.820 than men in those situations. So to ever look at a person and use broad generalizations to be like,

00:57:49.740 you're a woman, therefore you have this temperament, that's, that indicates a lack of 1.00

00:57:53.860 critical thinking, in my opinion. That's just you being like, okay, I'm going to put you in this

00:57:57.980 category. I'm going to put you in this category and put you in this category, especially in areas

00:58:00.900 like this, where there's so much overlap. It's, it's false. Like she just said, they have a standardized

00:58:06.800 test to get in. She has to do the same thing every other man has to do in order to be a pilot. 1.00

00:58:11.220 Hold on. Alvin Sam donated $99. What these women fail to understand is that male privilege comes 0.69

00:58:18.600 with an enormous responsibility to produce, perform, and provide. Men face an enormous burden

00:58:25.160 of performance that rewards them this privilege. Women want equality without the responsibility. 1.00

00:58:32.020 Responsibility. Responsibility. It's a new word.

00:58:35.440 I actually think that this is an area where I think men are struggling is because men and I think

00:58:41.760 the manosphere space just pushes them back more because they're like, your only role is in being

00:58:45.660 the breadwinner. And they're trying to kind of turn the clock back on gender equality, which is just

00:58:49.840 not going to happen. So we need to have a new vision for men coming forward where their worth and their

00:58:54.160 value is more than them just being an ATM machine. And these post-apocalyptic circumstances where a plane

00:58:59.900 is crashing or you're hanging off a cliff. I get that all the time. If you're hanging off a cliff,

00:59:03.020 don't you want a man? I'm like, I don't. I go to like Trader Joe's. Why am I going to be hanging 0.99

00:59:06.520 off a cliff? So like, I think that for men, a lot of them don't have this vision of masculinity

00:59:11.360 going forward. They have this narrow, distorted view that's becoming less and less like needed in

00:59:16.440 today's society because now almost half of households, we have women making just as much, 1.00

00:59:20.260 if not more than men. So if your only role, your identity is embedded in how much money you make

00:59:25.360 and your role as a breadwinner, yeah, this is one part of the reason men are struggling.

00:59:29.000 Well, I think the reason why men are struggling right now is because men more so than women, 0.99

00:59:34.100 they need to be needed. They need to have a very specific purpose, a dragon they can slay,

00:59:38.140 something they can conquer and be needed by the community. And I don't, like, I don't think it's

00:59:43.160 necessarily accurate to say that the reason why men are struggling now is that like, oh, it's because

00:59:48.100 they're thinking like this. I think the reason why they're struggling is because a lot of men don't

00:59:52.260 have an avenue that's productive where they can put that effort in, right? I mean, so many men,

00:59:56.900 they're disenfranchised. They don't feel like women need them. They don't feel like the workforce

01:00:00.700 needs them. They're not doing well in school. And I think that kind of contributes to that.

01:00:04.280 And I think if we want to help them, obviously we should see anybody as more than an ATM or,

01:00:09.180 you know, breadwinner. And I think, you know, simultaneously telling men, like some people

01:00:13.100 in the manosphere do like women are only going to want you if you make like six figures of blah, 0.99

01:00:16.460 blah, blah. It's demoralizing because for the majority of men, it's not going to happen.

01:00:20.020 But I think we need to find a way where we can work with men's kind of that drive to be needed.

01:00:26.320 I think it's going to be more useful rather than trying to change it entirely.

01:00:30.480 The stereotypes are true donated $99, but only because men aren't competing for jobs,

01:00:36.200 but for actual love. Women aren't. We have to achieve much higher competence to attract women. 1.00

01:00:43.120 No one is better. It's 100% incentives. Until women change what they're attracted to, 1.00

01:00:49.720 men will always outperform.

01:00:51.740 I want to respond to her really quick if I could. So I agree with you, but I think that's why we

01:00:56.280 need to expand what is considered a man's role in society. So for instance, there's been studies

01:01:01.340 done where women, where do you get your meaning in life? And before, before they started entering 1.00

01:01:04.760 the workforce, they got it entirely in the home. And now you see women just as much as men can get 1.00

01:01:09.120 their meaning in the workforce. But for men, they're not getting their meaning from being at home with

01:01:13.540 their kids. If they want to be a stay at home dad, they're not finding meaning in that right now,

01:01:17.860 partly because society still largely believes where they've done studies where they're like,

01:01:21.960 can you still be a good mother now if you're working? And most Americans say yes, but we still 0.88

01:01:26.520 have these stereotypes for men. Like, no, in order to be a good man, you need to be the breadwinner.

01:01:31.620 When I think there are more roles that men can fill in society and find their meaning outside of

01:01:36.380 just being a breadwinner.

01:01:37.400 I mean, I definitely wouldn't want to downplay the importance of a father being a father.

01:01:43.880 Like, I've seen some people say that, oh yeah, men don't need to be around after the birth because 0.92

01:01:48.820 there's nothing for them to do. Okay, that's absolutely not true. Like, if you are a dad and

01:01:52.520 your wife has a newborn, you 100% should be there to help. So I definitely don't agree with that

01:01:58.100 mentality. But I don't think I disagree with you entirely there. It's just, I think we need to kind

01:02:03.340 of be able to lean into the way that men thinks, uh, that, that would probably be a lot easier than

01:02:10.420 just being like, we, I feel like that type of thinking, it's almost trying to feminize men

01:02:14.380 saying that you as a man, you just need to reevaluate how you're thinking because we as

01:02:18.980 women have changed society. And I don't think that's necessarily fair for the men who have 0.99

01:02:22.760 been left behind. I don't think men need to rewire their thinking. I think we all do. I don't think

01:02:27.200 it's just men. I think as a culture, as a society, we've done so many things to push women forward.

01:02:31.520 And I think that's been great. We've narrowed the gap on many things like education, but I think

01:02:35.680 like, you're right. We've left men behind by still saying your role is a breadwinner. When now if

01:02:40.000 half of almost half of us families in the U S the woman is making as much or more. Now these men are 0.51

01:02:45.720 like, okay, well, I guess my only role in this family is to be a breadwinner. And I'm saying, no,

01:02:49.660 that's not your only role. That's not the only thing you're good for as a man. You're, you're just as

01:02:54.020 much of a, of a full multifaceted person as women are. So women get praised for doing both. I think men should

01:02:59.520 also get praised for doing both men should be praised for their roles of father. And you don't

01:03:02.520 disagree with that. So I don't think we're really disagreeing too much here.

01:03:07.600 Well, they've definitely, I've definitely heard that a lot of women are finding men to be not

01:03:14.140 economically attractive. I've seen these headlines. So we're going into hypergamy. Is that where we're 0.68

01:03:21.760 going? Well, I suppose, but, but I mean, if we are going to have women who are fighting to be 1.00

01:03:31.980 equal in the workplace and successful and making their own money, then correspondingly there's going

01:03:39.320 to have to be women that are prepared to date men who are making less money than them. Well, 1.00

01:03:44.740 they are. So we, it's been recent. But are they happy? I don't think they are. Well,

01:03:49.620 I disagree with that. Because hypergamy is on the decline. There's a lot of studies showing this,

01:03:54.660 that now more and more women. It's actually on the incline. No, maybe we're looking at different, 0.99

01:03:59.160 can I get a laptop and we can pull over? We're definitely looking at some different shit. It's 0.99

01:04:01.780 definitely on the decline in, especially they looked at like 27 countries, including like European

01:04:06.380 countries. And yeah, women are now okay, more and more okay with, in general, people like to date

01:04:12.620 across, like it's assortative mating. People like to date, generally date across socioeconomic status,

01:04:17.660 across IQ, across education, across even attractiveness. Well, there's actually, there's

01:04:21.620 a difference. Women like to date across and up and men date across and down. Men are more likely to date

01:04:26.820 down, especially on certain things like how much money they make, but that, that's changing. But still

01:04:31.400 in general, in general, people tend to, it's the similar, it's attraction similarity hypothesis is one of

01:04:37.000 the most research theories in the attraction, psychology of attraction. It's very people generally

01:04:42.600 like lawyers tend to date other lawyers. People tend to date people also because of the proximity

01:04:47.680 aspect of it. That's also a big part of attraction. But this idea, especially if you look at history,

01:04:52.880 like hypergamy hasn't, in general, most people were dating across. Like the status of their husband,

01:04:57.760 even back in the day, was similar to that of their father. Like you can find more instances of men

01:05:02.980 dating down than women, but in general, that's not the general threat trend. And it never has been.

01:05:07.320 What's not the general trend? That people, that women are just dating way above their level. 1.00

01:05:12.980 In general, people are, in general, people are dating across. That's what we're seeing. Now,

01:05:17.820 if there's one gender that's more likely to date down, it is men. And that's remains true. 1.00

01:05:22.160 But in general, this, this thing that women are, are in general, trying to go for someone way above 1.00

01:05:27.880 them in status in general, that's not how people mate. And that's not been shown in history or

01:05:33.880 anything. But I guess it absolutely has been shown that way in history that way. Well, this is what

01:05:39.500 I mean. If you look at, if you look at, I wish I could pull up my studies. If you look at overall

01:05:43.180 history, like I just said, even back in the day, when gender roles were more stringent than they are

01:05:48.060 now, women, typically their husband had the same social status as their father. Like people,

01:05:53.680 generally families, I can even say like, even in modern society, in like, where my family's from

01:05:59.660 in Iran, you tend to date and marry people like your family and their family. Okay. Are they from

01:06:04.260 a good family? Okay. We're from a good family. We're educated. They're educated. Our son and our

01:06:08.240 daughter should be together. It's not like, Hey, mom and dad, I, these are, these make great Disney

01:06:12.320 movies where it's like, Hey, I found the, the, uh, waitress or she's scrubbing my floor, Cinderella.

01:06:17.800 It can happen, but that's not the norm. Cinderella isn't the norm, but I guess the,

01:06:22.780 well, I guess the problem that a lot of women are facing and I've, I've seen articles about this 1.00

01:06:28.320 too, is that not only are they, you know, not being picked up by the millionaire or the billionaire

01:06:32.180 or anything like that, but they're even having trouble finding men who are of their same

01:06:35.860 socioeconomic status. So the question for some women is not just, Oh, am I going to date someone

01:06:40.760 across instead of up? It's, am I willing to date someone down? So interestingly, people in the top 20%

01:06:47.100 of education and socioeconomic status, they're not, their marriage rates are the same. They're not

01:06:51.560 having any issue with this. This seems to be more of an issue lowered down, which would be kind of

01:06:55.400 the opposite of what people say, because they're like, Oh, if you're higher up, if you're more

01:06:58.300 educated, if you're a lawyer, you're eliminating so many options, it's harder for you to date.

01:07:02.400 Female lawyers are not having issues getting married. The stats bear that out. And I can even 1.00

01:07:05.820 just say anecdotally, I mean, it's true that the more educated a woman is the less likely she is to 0.99

01:07:10.080 get married and the less likely she is to have children. Not true at all. So we can look that up.

01:07:14.400 That's actually, that's been steady. So the marriage rate for women in the top 20% college educated 0.99

01:07:19.180 women, especially if they have higher education has remained steady. I didn't say it wasn't 1.00

01:07:23.020 decreasing. I said, compared to women. Jasmine, the fallacy with your argument is that for couples 0.59

01:07:28.580 to date across, the man must be a higher earner. Attorneys dating is not the same as McDonald's

01:07:34.920 workers dating. For lateral dating to happen, the man must already be successful. So do McDonald's

01:07:41.020 workers not have wives and relationships? Is it only successful men? No. When we look across,

01:07:45.760 even for having sex, when we look across income, it's not that rich people are having so much more

01:07:50.100 sex than poor people. In fact, poor people are reproducing more. We don't see this big change 0.74

01:07:54.160 with BMI. Like it's not just the fit men that are having a ton of sex. It's not just the tall men

01:07:58.920 that are having a ton of sex. Every, like people across all ranges, when it comes to any of these

01:08:03.760 characteristics are having sex and are mating. Now, like I've said, the marriage rate has gone down for

01:08:10.360 people of lower socioeconomic status when it's remained the same and even kind of gone up for people of

01:08:15.340 higher socioeconomic status. You're so full of shit. Well, I mean, go ahead, continue with your, 1.00

01:08:20.800 why am I full of shit, Brian? I'll address it. Okay. I mean, it's hard because we're saying 0.99

01:08:25.780 different things and there's probably a study to back up each. Sorry.

01:08:28.260 Martin donated $100. Law ho, I'm an attorney. Butler Snow, one of the largest firms in the world,

01:08:37.120 licensed in TN and is left to start construction co's now valued at nine figures. You, your midface 0.92

01:08:44.500 and media like you are utterly unimpressive. Your ancestors sacrificed for nothing. 0.98

01:08:50.720 I'm going to say, I doubt this is a lawyer. Me and my lawyer friends were actually just having a

01:08:54.420 conversation about this. Lawyers don't talk like this. Like if there's a conservative lawyer,

01:08:58.140 they're more like her. They're going to be like, you know, wanting to date like Ben Shapiro and stuff.

01:09:01.600 They don't talk like this. They'd have, unless he was just like a secret incel, like in his,

01:09:06.260 in his closet that got into some fourth tier law school. But that is not how lawyers speak.

01:09:10.580 Nope. Wiley Coyote 50 donated $99. As a controller, I can confirm your gender has nothing to do with how well

01:09:19.360 you can fly. I've had male and female pilots who have flown for 30 plus years that made me say,

01:09:25.540 WTF? Are you doing your P1 dollar me off equally? No kidding. Kinda. Okay. You guys piss me off just

01:09:34.420 as much. Oh, okay. All right. Well, most of the time we love you though. We appreciate you. 0.94

01:09:40.040 I have seen Marquavius Martin's bona fides. Is that how you say it? Bona, bona fides?

01:09:46.240 I've never. Bona fides? He's a Mensa member. Apparently he's an attorney.

01:09:52.380 I mean, that's a, I am, I'm as weird of an attorney as you can get. And that would be even

01:09:57.320 weirder than me. Like I said, there is, there is the Federalist Society in every law school.

01:10:01.260 They're very similar to her. She wouldn't write a comment like that. She just doesn't,

01:10:05.060 he could, he could disagree with me, but the manner in which you disagree with me, 0.98

01:10:08.640 I think more people educated people generally, like I said, aren't online like you 304 mid whore. 1.00

01:10:14.580 Like they just don't even, they don't, they don't even know about this world. Like they just

01:10:19.160 aren't doing this. He must be some deep incel if he's, if he's, yeah. I'm sorry. I'm just being

01:10:25.600 honest. That's what I think. All right. Well, yeah. The, they've been a little mean, I think.

01:10:33.500 Me? I mean, he just, no, no, no. They've been mean to you. So. Oh, that's fine. Yeah. She's,

01:10:38.100 no, I can, I'm definitely. You got thick skin. Yeah, no, I, this doesn't bother me at all. You

01:10:42.060 guys can keep it coming. Give Brian the money. It's all good. All right. I make my money. You

01:10:45.600 make your money off. All right. There you have it, folks. There you have it. Although a better

01:10:49.480 use of your money is my only fans, but. Erroneous. I got distracted with the mid whore comment. I 0.98

01:10:54.660 had no idea what I was going to say. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, do you recall what we were talking about? Uh, oh, I,

01:11:02.680 I think with the education and marriage rates. So I don't know if you've read the bell curve,

01:11:06.960 but one of the things that Charles Murray talks about is how obviously IQ and especially higher

01:11:11.680 education is correlated. And they do find that consistently women who are like, they, they

01:11:17.320 have more advanced degrees, more years in school. They are less likely to get married than women 1.00

01:11:22.160 who are less educated and who kind of proportionally obviously have lower IQs. And it's almost,

01:11:27.140 it's a problem that he's writing about because we almost have a sort of a dysgenics going on.

01:11:30.920 He's the one who did the race and IQ too, right? Well, he did bell curve is. Jasmine. 0.97

01:11:36.640 Wow. They're okay. They're going for you, Jasmine. Try to keep it polite, guys.

01:11:41.900 The top earners and top earners in general are a small percentage of the population. Your

01:11:48.020 generalization is extremely flawed because of this. So I just, I guess, yes, I understand that

01:11:53.540 that's a, that's what I was arguing when I said that was about the top percentages of society,

01:11:58.800 but in general people do date across. So McDonald's workers are more likely to date someone else in the

01:12:03.120 fast food industry. They're not just not dating. And I was saying lawyers, because that's the only

01:12:07.260 experience I've had really outside of OnlyFans, they tend to date and marry other lawyers. Like

01:12:12.020 18 couples from my law school got married. This is just, that's just how people normally mate.

01:12:18.560 And lawyers do on average and, and marry other lawyers more than they marry women in any other

01:12:24.000 profession. Well, you mentioned proximity. That would make sense because they, it's not just a

01:12:29.740 shared commonality. Proximity is one thing, but like, for instance, you hear this in the

01:12:33.080 manosphere a lot, like, oh, men don't care. They'll marry a girl out of a CVS or a hot girl off

01:12:36.980 Instagram. Yeah, they will. No, but maybe in podcasts, like worlds and whatever, but in, but lawyers in

01:12:43.940 general, like if I was hanging out with a group of my friends, lawyer friends, and.

01:12:47.200 Uh, see you listen, donated $150. Brian, you should get it there and action on your show.

01:12:54.320 He lives in LA, has a following, would school these girls, and I'm pretty sure he can bring

01:12:59.620 girls onto the show too. Okay. I'll, uh, thank you very much for your, uh, donation. Appreciate it.

01:13:05.060 I'll check him out on, uh, Instagram, the real Natch. Thank you, man. As I was saying, you won't see

01:13:10.620 somebody bring like, oh, I just, I'm bringing my new girlfriend along. We'd be like, great. And then

01:13:14.380 she'd come and he's like, oh, this is 18 year old hot check. I met off Instagram. We'd be like,

01:13:17.960 it's just so not a thing. Like they're usually, and they don't have to be other lawyers. They could

01:13:22.360 be working with special needs kids, whatever, but they're not bagging the hot 18 year old from CVS.

01:13:27.600 At least educated populations don't generally do that. Unless the only exception I would say is if

01:13:33.820 they're really religious, like if they're Mormons, like there was a ton of Mormons in my law school

01:13:37.540 and they will marry like a homemaker and whatever they'll, they'll do that, but they, they won't marry 0.92

01:13:43.100 hot Instagram girls or girls that work at Taco Bell. It's just not, but, but do you think men

01:13:48.460 are particularly preoccupied with, in terms of something being an attraction trigger? Do you

01:13:53.460 think men are particularly attracted to a woman's success or money? Uh, you're going to hate me,

01:13:58.160 but new studies do indicate they do, especially even bus who's like the manosphere evolutionary

01:14:02.780 psychologist. God has found this, uh, the work of Corinne, uh, Corinne has showed that women they've, 1.00

01:14:09.020 they've done studies now where they put like on dating apps, they've taken like millions of users and

01:14:12.600 they'll put a face for both men and women and then income. And they find both genders tend to find 0.50

01:14:16.840 people more attractive when they had more higher income. So you could look this up, Corinne.

01:14:22.440 I, I haven't seen that particular study, but. Yeah. Cause you've only seen the studies that you like,

01:14:27.160 and I've seen your studies in my studies because I had to know yours to be able to check on it.

01:14:32.600 So you, you think that. I still think men care less than women care. Okay. But I do think,

01:14:38.920 but I think things are changing and men are starting to care more and more as we're moving

01:14:42.840 towards more of an egalitarian society. Mozak 87 donated $100. You're a lawyer that makes bank

01:14:50.520 off of and probably hooks up with high quality men. What do you know about the average person

01:14:55.720 working the average job? You have no clue how us normal folks live.

01:15:00.040 Incorrect your, which is not surprising. Are you a normal folk?

01:15:11.000 Am I supposed to respond to that? Yeah. Oh, okay. Um, I, I mean, I'm not a normal folk and I admit

01:15:17.480 that. So probably like, especially if I talk about my personal experiences, I'm in a bubble and I was

01:15:22.120 definitely in a bubble when it comes to academia. That's why I'm shocked at how many of people in

01:15:26.600 this sphere don't have basic English skills. I can't even use like, this is stuff we learned in

01:15:30.200 fifth grade. So I was very oblivious to this and I will admit that. However, so I'm not, I mean, yeah,

01:15:35.800 but I, however, a lot of the stuff I'm talking about, I've researched this stuff a lot because

01:15:39.720 I didn't want to just come on here and be one of these girls. Like, I feel like this show is just

01:15:43.000 like, what do you think? I don't know. What do you think? Well, there's data on this and that's a better

01:15:46.440 indicator than what we all think based off our personal experiences, because that could be biased. Like for me,

01:15:51.560 I'm around being a certain type of person that knows how to spell and read and write.

01:15:54.600 And now most of the internet I'm around doesn't. Well, I mean, to get back to the income with dating

01:16:00.760 issue, I could totally believe that maybe nowadays men are starting to be like, okay,

01:16:04.760 if we're going to need two incomes, maybe it's good that she's able to make money. But I think

01:16:09.320 there's also still studies out there that show that men are actually less attracted to women if

01:16:13.000 she makes more than them. After a certain point, the money, the success that the woman has can 1.00

01:16:17.720 actually be repellent to at least some men. So yes, that's true. That's true that some men

01:16:22.280 do still feel that way. And even some women feel that way. And that's one of the things I think we

01:16:25.800 should change as a culture that they, they don't like making more than their husband, than their 0.90

01:16:31.240 spouse. And men also can feel emasculated by that. That is one of the things I think we should change.

01:16:35.560 I don't think it should be a big deal. It's just about what works for you and your family.

01:16:39.240 Okay, you said a lot of stuff.

01:16:46.760 So, I haven't seen the studies that you're referencing, but this idea-

01:16:51.400 We can pull them up. Which one?

01:16:54.680 Huh?

01:16:54.920 Which one?

01:16:56.120 I don't know. But you're asserting that

01:17:00.680 men care deeply about a woman's success or their income.

01:17:03.480 I didn't say deeply. I said that they're showing now that men do,

01:17:06.440 men overall do care about income and that's changing because-

01:17:10.120 But much less than women care about it. 0.99

01:17:11.320 Less than women, yes. But that's a shift we're seeing as society is changing. 0.98

01:17:15.400 Oh, got another one.

01:17:16.360 Bender the offender donated $99. 0.76

01:17:19.240 Jasmine, no rational person would want to hire a lawyer that doesn't and only cares about her own interests. 1.00

01:17:25.960 Yeah, I don't want to get hired by a firm. If I did, I wouldn't have quit

01:17:29.480 to do OnlyFans.

01:17:30.200 They really like you, Jasmine.

01:17:31.480 I know.

01:17:32.040 They're big fans of you.

01:17:34.040 Big fans. Thank you, Bender. Appreciate it.

01:17:35.800 Big fans probably blowing up right now.

01:17:38.200 But you do want to get back into the law eventually, is that correct?

01:17:41.640 Uh, I don't, I probably won't need to, but yes, if I do, if I do ever get back into it,

01:17:47.000 I want to advocate for sex workers or work for like a nonprofit, do that kind of work.

01:17:51.400 I don't really ever want to use it to make an income anymore.

01:17:53.800 Sure. Let me get a couple chats here.

01:17:55.240 Uh, Logan, Ria, Brian, hope all is well. Sounds a little under the weather.

01:17:59.240 Better be taking a well-deserved break. Time to time.

01:18:02.440 Love the podcast. Currently trying to watch all of them to get caught up.

01:18:05.800 Madison, hit me up if things fall through with Frankie, you a cutie, question mark. 1.00

01:18:13.160 You're never going to get hit up. I'm sorry.

01:18:15.000 Oh, shit. 0.95

01:18:16.840 Things are never going to fall through. 1.00

01:18:18.840 Can you read this one?

01:18:21.160 Flight girl, uh, it is not ignorance. You miss simple statistics. You are being selected

01:18:26.760 from a smaller pool of applicants by definition. Oh, I'll pull it back up.

01:18:32.680 It's okay.

01:18:34.440 Jasmine is correct. Same as destiny stated on your podcast before. On average,

01:18:39.560 men and women date and marry within their social circles. And with the rise of equal rights,

01:18:45.000 education, and job opportunity for women, hypergamy is declining. Love you, boo baller. 0.99

01:18:50.840 Yeah. I just want to say everyone that's in my dance, like you're using destiny statistics. I think

01:18:54.360 me and destiny just looked up the same shit. And these are just the statistics. I don't think it's 1.00

01:18:58.520 minor statistics. I think we're just two individuals that wanted to do the proper research and look

01:19:03.160 at the actual facts. Unlike, you know, some people like, I don't think anyone is saying it's inaccurate

01:19:08.120 to say that people tend to marry within the same socioeconomic class.

01:19:10.680 You're not saying it, but a lot of the manosphere does. Oh yeah. Cause I mean,

01:19:13.480 like you said, proximity and obviously like there are just social differences, which isn't necessarily a

01:19:18.440 good thing because that's kind of classes, but it's just the way it is. But I think we still

01:19:22.040 can't ignore the fact that, you know, if you're writing a dating profile, women, and I don't think 0.89

01:19:26.440 even you deny this, women are going to care a lot more about what a man's job and income is than 1.00

01:19:30.600 the reverse. That's true. But I think that's shifting and we have evidence that that's shifting

01:19:35.000 and it's starting to become that men are starting to care as much because of just the reality of the

01:19:38.920 society we live in. So we've, it's still relatively recent that women have been, um, in, in the,

01:19:45.240 in the workforce. So the shift is going to happen slowly over time and we're seeing it shift.

01:19:51.160 Well, I disagree, but let me, let me pull this one up really quick. We were in the middle of reading

01:19:55.480 it. Um, I'll pull it up again. Um, let's see, by definition, the men are facing fiercer competition,

01:20:02.680 passing the minimal standards make you competent, but not the best. Yeah, I agree with that. I think

01:20:08.120 each individual, um, you know, that does not make you the best by any, by being able to pass standards,

01:20:13.640 but that's why it's important that there's people. It's crazy tonight. All right. Thank you,

01:20:20.760 guys. Brian, 100% get it there and at John next red bill guy to blow and you too would create epic

01:20:27.800 streams. Invite me on for that. Okay. I'll check. I've never heard of, uh, him, but I'll check him

01:20:33.960 out. Thank you, man. Appreciate the recommendation. Um, well, I'd also just in response to that comment,

01:20:40.680 also like to say, you know, the amount of applicants is proportional to the amount of

01:20:44.440 female pilots. Like, it's not like that there's a disproportionate amount of female pilots. 1.00

01:20:49.480 There's more male applicants and that's shows. And I, you know, it's really fairly unbiased from

01:20:55.560 my perspective. And I also think it's important to recognize that there could be male pilots that

01:20:59.720 are just aren't competent or even the best. And you know, it's, it varies across the board for sure.

01:21:06.040 And I think that's where it's important that, um, good training comes like, that's something I

01:21:11.000 really care about obviously is good training and also vetting. You know, I've had to sit down with

01:21:15.000 people, um, and say, you know, I don't think you have the right temperament to be a pilot and you

01:21:18.680 should reconsider flight training. And it's so awkward. It's horrible. It's only happened twice

01:21:23.320 and they were both men, you know, I don't, I don't have many female students generally, but you know,

01:21:28.680 it happens. And I think it's important that as a community in aviation, we're able to recognize that and,

01:21:33.640 and, and help keep everyone safe by making those calls. Yeah. That, well, the aviation example

01:21:39.640 that's come up before, I don't know exactly where I stand on that, but, uh, I think perhaps a more apt

01:21:47.560 scenario would be, would you rather have a male firefighter coming to rescue you 1.00

01:21:56.360 or a female firefighter coming to rescue you from a burning building? 1.00

01:21:59.240 Well, that's totally different because that has to do with physical size and strength.

01:22:03.160 That's not relevant when you're flying an airplane.

01:22:05.480 Sure. And I've, I'm moving on from that. I'm not trying to relate it necessarily,

01:22:09.880 but I do think that is perhaps a better argument.

01:22:13.160 Well, yeah. So brute strength is something men definitely have a leg up in, but this is one

01:22:16.680 of the things, one of my critiques of the Manosphere is jobs that require brute strength,

01:22:20.680 manual labor jobs are the ones most at risk for automation. So again, if you're telling men that your

01:22:25.160 value and the thing that makes you important in this world is how physically strong you are

01:22:29.160 and your ability to be a breadwinner, those are two things where society's moving in a direction

01:22:33.160 that if those are the two things you're basing your, your identity on, it's a losing, it's a losing game.

01:22:38.600 Yeah. But because of like diversity quotas and affirmative action. 0.76

01:22:41.720 No, because of automation and trade.

01:22:43.160 Hold on, let me finish. Can you stop interrupting?

01:22:47.640 They have lowered the physical requirements for women to enter some of these, uh, 1.00

01:22:51.800 fields such as firefighting or the military, for example, in order for you to pass the, uh, the

01:22:57.640 physical requirements to join the military, to join the army, Marines, Navy, whatever it is,

01:23:03.160 the requirements are much lower for women. 0.77

01:23:05.560 I just, if that's true, then I don't agree with that. I don't think it's firefighting.

01:23:09.080 Yeah. I don't think that should be the case.

01:23:10.600 Okay. But it is.

01:23:12.280 Yeah. But so I agree with you in that regard.

01:23:16.280 So if that's happening, I disagree.

01:23:18.120 It is happening.

01:23:18.680 Yeah. I don't agree. I don't think that should,

01:23:20.520 I think if there's a standard that should be the standard,

01:23:22.680 even if that means that less women than men are firefighters. 0.98

01:23:25.880 Okay. Well, there you have it folks. All right.

01:23:28.120 Let me get a couple of chats in here and then we'll get into our first topic.

01:23:31.880 Uh, the Logan Paul dilemma. Uh, Jasmine, can I have you read this one, please?

01:23:36.760 Your dad is watching you get railed and probably liked it.

01:23:39.240 This is, that's why his tune change.

01:23:41.560 Weird thing is, you know what you do deny that all you do.

01:23:44.680 You use Insta and app geared towards teens to advertise your OF to teens.

01:23:48.680 You do all that too. Yes. I'm advertising my OF to teens and teens alone.

01:23:52.280 I mean, feel better.

01:23:54.040 That's my good times. All right. We have KV MOGA.

01:23:58.440 If you want to read it.

01:23:59.240 Me? Yeah, sure.

01:24:00.920 Of girls. Do you intend to have children? 0.56

01:24:02.680 Do you justify kids having to go through shame,

01:24:05.000 trauma and depression because of their mom's greedy ambition?

01:24:07.880 You want me to respond to that?

01:24:09.720 Sure. Why not?

01:24:10.200 So if I do have kids, it's going to be like, I'm 28 now probably when I'm 34, 35 at the earliest

01:24:15.160 by the time they're in school. It's like 15 plus years from now. I don't, I don't think it'll be

01:24:20.600 as much of an issue. Plus the two biggest contributors to childhood success are socioeconomic

01:24:24.600 status and maternal education. And my kid's going to be balling on both friends. So this is the same

01:24:30.120 argument people used to make 10 years ago as to why gay parents shouldn't be able to adopt kids.

01:24:33.720 They're like, your kids are going to get bullied. And now that's not like even a thing.

01:24:36.760 It's like how quickly societal attitudes have shifted on, on something like that in just such

01:24:41.160 a short period of time. I think that's a little different though.

01:24:44.920 But people wouldn't have said that 10 years ago.

01:24:47.000 Said what?

01:24:47.560 That it, oh, that's different. People hardcore believe that gay.

01:24:50.760 Yeah, but you can't, you can't choose to be gay. You can choose to do sex. 1.00

01:24:55.000 10 years ago, a lot of people thought you were choosing. That's the thing.

01:24:57.560 Like you, you could choose not to, you could choose not to adopt kids if you're gay. 0.97

01:25:01.480 And that was the argument people would make. You guys can be gay. That's fine. 0.99

01:25:04.440 But there's no reason to bring a child into this because your child is going to go through

01:25:07.480 all this and trauma and bullying. And now the stats are out that those kids end up doing fine.

01:25:11.480 They're not getting bullied in school because they have two dads or two moms.

01:25:13.960 Yeah, but I think it's like, it's not a fair comparison.

01:25:17.480 Well, I think society, society's shifting one way in general, maybe not in spaces like this.

01:25:21.960 We are moving towards being more sex positive, more sexually open and free.

01:25:27.000 I think Martin donated $100.

01:25:30.040 Thank you.

01:25:30.760 When I'm on, invite her back. 0.98

01:25:33.080 I'll obliterate her. 0.99

01:25:34.040 All right, we can arrange that. 0.99

01:25:35.240 She's using a malicious tactic, citing studies, almost.

01:25:39.160 I'll categorically cite all my studies device free.

01:25:42.840 You and your parents have this in common.

01:25:45.400 Crying yourselves to sleep over your decisions.

01:25:46.680 They love me tonight.

01:25:51.160 So everyone's supposed to say this.

01:25:52.680 Do you intend to have children?

01:25:55.640 Um, I will probably have children someday.

01:25:58.520 And yeah, I think if they're well off economically, I think that's one thing that would obviously

01:26:05.160 help them in a lot of ways.

01:26:06.280 And also there's a lot of ways that you can actually keep your content like off of the

01:26:10.040 internet these days through lawyers and different like websites to help that.

01:26:14.040 So like she's saying, I do think that society in general is shifting a lot.

01:26:18.440 And I sort of like, I mean, I know that it will be an issue and I

01:26:21.400 will have to probably figure out how I'm going to navigate that.

01:26:25.160 But I think it's not as big as an issue as a lot of people.

01:26:28.040 I mean, like 15 years ago, we barely had iPhones.

01:26:30.200 Who knows?

01:26:30.520 15 years from now, there could be deep fake porn of all of us.

01:26:33.160 Like who knows what the world's going to look like 15 years technology wise.

01:26:37.720 If I'm still popping 15 years from now, I will take that as a win.

01:26:41.800 But I guess so with both of your answers, you're kind of acknowledging that

01:26:45.720 this might negatively affect your child.

01:26:48.120 You're saying that, oh, well, this will be in the future.

01:26:50.360 I can keep it off like offline to the general public.

01:26:53.160 You're saying it's 15 years.

01:26:54.520 You're saying society might change their attitudes.

01:26:56.440 But you're also saying that'll be in a long time because, you know,

01:26:59.080 you're only 28 and you don't want to have kids just yet.

01:27:02.280 So is it fair to say that you are acknowledging that there there is a way that this could?

01:27:06.440 Of course.

01:27:07.080 But I mean, like, for instance, I grew up Persian and a lot of the kids in my school were white

01:27:11.240 and kids used to make fun of me for having Persian food.

01:27:13.240 Like what were my parents supposed to say?

01:27:14.840 Like, oh, OK, let's try to have you not be bullied.

01:27:17.000 I don't plan on raising my kids to appease the whims of like the most immature population,

01:27:21.160 which is like school school kids.

01:27:23.080 So, yes, they could get bullied over this.

01:27:24.840 And yes, that is.

01:27:25.640 I'm not saying this isn't a possibility.

01:27:27.160 It can't happen.

01:27:28.200 But I think kids can get bullied almost over everything.

01:27:30.520 I mean, you're a conservative political pundit.

01:27:32.280 If you go to if your kids go to school and there's some really liberal parents there

01:27:36.120 that are something your kids are going to get bullied because of what you do,

01:27:39.000 because half of the country at least disagrees with you.

01:27:41.800 So there's a big portion of the country that also finds what I do controversial.

01:27:44.760 So, again, I think it's something that is a possibility.

01:27:48.040 But I think there's so many mitigating factors.

01:27:49.720 And I also think a lot of the people that ask that, maybe not this particular commenter,

01:27:53.240 are just they don't actually care about kids.

01:27:54.680 If you cared about kids, you would go volunteer at a children's hospital.

01:27:57.400 You could do things with kids that actually exist now instead of my hypothetical future

01:28:01.080 potential children.

01:28:02.360 So that's that's I also don't think it's a question generally asked in good faith,

01:28:05.720 not with you or maybe this commenter, but in general.

01:28:08.120 Right.

01:28:08.200 And I guess the reason why I asked this is because I'm a mom.

01:28:11.400 I have a kid.

01:28:12.200 And obviously, like you said, kids are going to be bullied.

01:28:14.520 I plan on homeschooling.

01:28:15.480 So hopefully that mitigates some things.

01:28:17.000 But do you think that as mothers or potential mothers that you have a responsibility to,

01:28:21.640 I guess, behave in such a way where your child would be proud of you?

01:28:26.840 And I'm not saying that, you know, maybe you're you're going to raise your kid in a way that

01:28:30.760 having an OnlyFans mom is something that they're proud of.

01:28:33.480 But how do you how do you plan on navigating that?

01:28:36.440 Like, do you do you want your kid to be aware from a young age that you did OnlyFans or would

01:28:41.720 you be upset if you have a daughter and she does OnlyFans like how how are your feelings

01:28:45.880 with OnlyFans kind of related to those are two questions?

01:28:48.520 I think just like there's a sex approach, an appropriate way to talk to children about sex 0.98

01:28:52.360 education.

01:28:52.840 I think there's also an age appropriate way to talk to children about sex work depending

01:28:56.280 on the age and all that.

01:28:57.560 Now, would I care if my daughter did this? 0.92

01:28:59.560 My only goal for my children is to be happy and healthy and kind people.

01:29:02.840 So I have no intention of bringing children to the world so I can be proud of them or that

01:29:06.440 they can align with me and do everything I want.

01:29:08.520 People who have children to make them an extension of themselves shouldn't have children. 1.00

01:29:11.960 So again, if this is what my daughter does and she's happy and she's healthy and she's safe,

01:29:15.560 go for it.

01:29:16.040 If she wants to be a waitress, go for it. 1.00

01:29:17.960 If she wants to be a neurosurgeon, go for it. 0.99

01:29:19.400 So yeah, that's me.

01:29:20.120 So do you not see any and it's like with your with your parents?

01:29:23.240 I'm so glad that you say that you're you have a good relationship because I think if if any

01:29:27.400 displeasure they voice with you, it's because they love you.

01:29:29.880 I mean, I don't it sounds like you guys have a great relationship, but I'm happy about that.

01:29:33.320 Do you can you understand why a parent could love their child and not want them to just be an

01:29:38.680 extension of themselves, but still not want them to do OnlyFans?

01:29:42.440 I can totally see it because they see it like my mom also thought tampons are only for virgins. 0.99

01:29:47.080 Like she grew up.

01:29:47.960 She was married a virgin.

01:29:49.160 She's only ever been with my dad.

01:29:50.520 So it's really hard for them to break away from these values.

01:29:53.160 So they think that what I'm doing is unhealthy, but that may not necessarily be true.

01:29:57.800 So again, my goal for my child is not them doing what I think is healthy or what I think

01:30:01.480 is great or what aligns with my values.

01:30:03.160 It's just that they're overall happy, healthy kids.

01:30:05.560 I can tell you in the Persian community, it's such a thing that parents just go to 1.00

01:30:08.680 like like these parties and like my son has Ph.D.

01:30:11.480 My son like is at Stanford and like it's like, are your kids happy though?

01:30:14.440 Because a lot of times they're not.

01:30:15.400 You have no idea how many messages I get from children of immigrant families who are like,

01:30:18.760 I don't want to be a doctor.

01:30:19.720 I don't want to do this, but your story actually inspired me to be honest with my parents about

01:30:23.960 that.

01:30:24.120 It doesn't mean they have to go into sex work.

01:30:25.720 It just means to live a life conducive to their own happiness.

01:30:28.280 And that's all I would want for my kids.

01:30:29.880 But, and obviously I'm not advocating.

01:30:31.720 I'm half Chinese, but I think you can totally not be a doctor or a lawyer and still do all 0.85

01:30:35.960 right in life.

01:30:36.680 But, um, can you understand why that even if you want the child to be happy and healthy,

01:30:41.240 that may not as a parent mean condoning whatever they want to do at the time.

01:30:45.640 Yeah.

01:30:45.800 If they're under age, like I was 26 when I started my OnlyFans.

01:30:50.040 If my daughter is 16 and she's like, I want to start an OnlyFans. 1.00

01:30:53.000 Yeah.

01:30:53.160 We're going to have a discussion about that because I don't think your prefrontal cortex

01:30:56.360 isn't even developed yet.

01:30:57.400 And this has lifelong consequences, which I agreed with you with. 0.80

01:31:00.040 But if she's 25, 26 and she's like, mom, I want to do this, blah, blah, blah.

01:31:04.440 This is what I think is going to make me happy.

01:31:05.880 Here's how I plan to use the plan.

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.240 So, but I mean, I guess looking at the rates of women who are only in the sex industry for a short 0.67

01:31:12.440 amount of time and then they end up leaving it, which I'm guessing means they weren't

01:31:15.160 really satisfied in it.

01:31:16.200 Otherwise they would have stayed in for longer.

01:31:17.960 The women who, you know, talk about things like how it's damaged their potential for long-term 1.00

01:31:22.200 relationships in the future.

01:31:23.160 There was a study.

01:31:24.040 I think it's something like 75% of OnlyFans creators do report that it has negatively impacted

01:31:29.160 their relationships in one way or another.

01:31:31.080 Again, 100 is not the same as 75.

01:31:33.720 So you can make an argument.

01:31:34.440 It's not everybody.

01:31:35.400 But can you see that there are like, this isn't just another job, right?

01:31:39.800 This isn't just like becoming a teacher or a politician.

01:31:42.840 There are a lot of consequences.

01:31:44.200 We're not even talking about religion here.

01:31:46.040 Just to their ability to work other jobs in the future, have other relationships, whatever,

01:31:51.240 that this makes it a very big difference, a different decision than wanting to go into

01:31:55.800 engineering or something.

01:31:56.520 Which is exactly why I would want, like I said, informed consent from the person,

01:32:00.200 which is why I agree that really young girls that may not know about these consequences

01:32:03.560 shouldn't do it.

01:32:04.040 I think also a lot of people are in the industry and they leave because as you get older,

01:32:07.320 you can't, it's like, it's like being a professional athlete.

01:32:09.080 Like you only have a short amount of time, but nobody tells professional athletes,

01:32:12.040 oh, why would you want to do that?

01:32:13.240 Like you can only do it for a short amount of time.

01:32:15.080 They say, oh, that's a great-

01:32:15.880 I think people do, people do tell athletes that generally, especially like if they're-

01:32:19.560 Maybe they do.

01:32:20.120 I don't know.

01:32:20.520 I've never heard anyone like be like, oh my God, you're an athlete.

01:32:23.720 Like what a terrible profession.

01:32:24.920 You're only in it for a short amount of time, whatever.

01:32:26.840 So I don't necessarily think that's the problem, but I agree with you that I would want any,

01:32:30.680 any woman or any man, anyone to do that's doing this work to be aware of those consequences.

01:32:35.640 But I'm thinking in the position with my child, yes, if they do anything recklessly that could

01:32:41.240 affect them for the rest of their lives.

01:32:42.280 If my daughter got married at 18, I would lose my mind because you're so young.

01:32:46.120 So it doesn't matter.

01:32:47.160 Any lifelong decision that they make from a young age without full informed consent,

01:32:51.080 I wouldn't be happy about.

01:32:52.120 But it's not the profession of OnlyFans in particular that I have an issue with if they

01:32:56.120 have informed consent about it.

01:32:57.880 Just like that.

01:32:58.520 Wait, you can't have full informed consent at 18?

01:33:01.000 You can, but I think it's, it's, you may not, your brain isn't fully developed.

01:33:06.840 So I'm not saying that 18 year olds can't do OnlyFans.

01:33:09.480 What I'm saying is I've had a lot of younger girls that come to me.

01:33:12.440 I want to be like you, you're making all this money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:15.240 And I'm like, I don't think you can fully grasp.

01:33:18.040 Like I will talk to them and I'll let them know that this has consequences.

01:33:21.320 You may not fully be able to grasp because your prefrontal cortex still is like six,

01:33:25.800 seven years from developing.

01:33:27.880 So that's kind of my argument there.

01:33:29.400 It doesn't mean I think they can't or they shouldn't be able to do it.

01:33:32.440 I just don't think that their, their brain is fully developed enough scientifically even

01:33:37.320 to be able to fully grasp the consequences the way they would if they were my age.

01:33:41.880 That's what I'm saying.

01:33:43.320 All right.

01:33:43.640 Let me get some chats out of the way.

01:33:45.560 Shut her mic off. 0.99

01:33:46.520 Purple shirt, Hubert has no clue.

01:33:49.080 She's talking about in regards to how kids fare with LGBT parents.

01:33:53.080 The study that said they were just as well off as kids with straight, with straight parents

01:33:57.000 was funded by the CCP.

01:33:59.640 And that's a link, I guess, to.

01:34:01.480 There's been multiple studies that show that as long as you measure for socioeconomic status

01:34:05.800 and all that, they do tend to do as well.

01:34:08.440 All right.

01:34:08.760 And there's definitely not a huge bullying problem with them, at least in 2023,

01:34:12.200 maybe if they're like the middle of Arkansas.

01:34:13.800 But like in California, no.

01:34:16.040 Madison, can you read this one?

01:34:17.160 To respond to the OF diversity hire about women evolving from their grandmothers, women 0.89

01:34:23.880 becoming mattress actresses on the internet shows that women are devolving and not evolving. 1.00

01:34:29.560 I don't think men would be having this issue with struggling. 0.99

01:34:32.360 We wouldn't be outpacing them and kicking their ass in education, even in the labor market. 0.97

01:34:37.080 Men's wages have been stagnant, which I don't think is a good thing while ours has been rising. 0.98

01:34:41.960 Women are doing better in this society than in previous societies. 0.99

01:34:45.400 So while it's your opinion that this is an example of devolving, for instance, I'm really

01:34:49.240 happy I had this option and now I make seven figures and I'm able to have all the time,

01:34:54.040 money and freedom that I enjoy.

01:34:55.720 So for me, it was a good thing.

01:34:57.400 But I mean, it's also true that women and not speaking of your own situation, but women 0.98

01:35:01.320 in average, like especially for white women, the rates of depression, they're really skyrocketing,

01:35:06.920 right?

01:35:07.160 More women than ever have clinical diagnoses, whether that's depression, anxiety, and they're medicated.

01:35:13.080 So I think we can say that, yeah, obviously women have made a lot of grounds in terms of 1.00

01:35:17.000 economics and finances, but I feel like it has come at a cost to force for a lot of women, 0.96

01:35:23.400 our mental health and our overall work life balance, which women purport to be way less 1.00

01:35:27.560 happy about than men on average.

01:35:29.000 So I think that like, for instance, the medication thing, I think a lot of people are over medicated

01:35:33.720 these days and men are, men are, aren't more on that stuff too.

01:35:36.440 So there's a correlation versus causation thing.

01:35:38.440 So while it's true, and I think there are great, I've read a lot of books on this, uh,

01:35:41.320 Lost Connections, Johan Hari is a great book on this.

01:35:43.640 I think social media can have an impact, but to say it's because they're less involved in

01:35:47.480 their roles as mothers and especially mothers, because while studies do show marriage tend 1.00

01:35:51.720 to make people happier, kids don't.

01:35:53.640 And the happiness gap is the largest in the United States actually.

01:35:56.840 So I don't think that to jump to, oh, women are unhappier.

01:36:00.280 So the reason must be, especially when there's no evidence to bear that out is because they're

01:36:03.800 not wives and mothers is erroneous.

01:36:07.720 Well, I mean, they have done studies that show that, I mean, married people tend to be

01:36:10.760 happier than not, but non-married people have the opposite. 0.94

01:36:13.240 So it's like, okay, do you think that they should just, should we, should we just be supporting

01:36:16.280 dink lifestyles to dual income, no kids? 0.88

01:36:18.760 Because that seems to be what shows to be the happiest.

01:36:21.160 Now that's not for everybody, right?

01:36:22.760 There's also study out of university of Michigan that came out recently showing that people

01:36:26.120 who chose not to have kids don't end up regretting it later.

01:36:28.760 So it's not for everybody, right?

01:36:30.760 But there are also studies that like, we obviously support to talk about happiness.

01:36:33.720 Because we don't want to be unhappy, but they've also measured things like loneliness and people

01:36:37.320 who aren't married and don't have kids.

01:36:38.760 They are more likely to be something like, yeah.

01:36:41.400 So I think having meaningful connections is one of the biggest contributors to happiness.

01:36:46.120 Get outside, I guess, like not just women, not just men in general, as we have progressed,

01:36:51.320 like we are falling short in those areas.

01:36:53.320 In those areas.

01:36:53.800 So that's a big thing.

01:36:54.600 I just talked about lost connections.

01:36:55.880 Johan Hari, he talks about this, that social media, people aren't getting outside more.

01:36:59.880 People don't have communities anymore.

01:37:01.960 I mean, there was like, back in the day, if you asked how many close friends do you have,

01:37:05.400 people had like, oh, I have three out of five.

01:37:07.480 Now the average is zero, especially for men.

01:37:10.040 Men seem to be really struggling finding friendships or having those good friendships.

01:37:13.800 So I agree with you there.

01:37:14.680 But I don't think the answer is, okay, we go back.

01:37:17.960 I don't even think that's practical.

01:37:19.720 And I don't think that that is the reason.

01:37:21.240 Oh, women are now in the workforce. 1.00

01:37:22.360 That's why we're lonelier.

01:37:23.320 We've had social media, which has deeply contributed to it.

01:37:25.720 There are other factors that could be causing it.

01:37:28.120 And so it's a correlation causation problem.

01:37:31.640 All right.

01:37:31.960 Let's get these chats in.

01:37:33.960 Wouldn't you like to know?

01:37:36.520 Maddie, can you read it?

01:37:37.640 Huge fan of the pod.

01:37:38.680 Been listening to every pod on Spotify while I'm trucking across the country.

01:37:42.280 Glad to see you're doing better.

01:37:43.480 What happened to the five to six hour pods?

01:37:45.880 Enjoy listening regardless.

01:37:47.400 Send the 30 foes to the streets.

01:37:49.240 Bring Shapiro on to red pill these ladies. 1.00

01:37:52.600 Wouldn't you like to know?

01:37:53.560 Thank you for the soup chat, man.

01:37:54.600 Appreciate it.

01:37:55.160 I'm not going to reveal who.

01:38:00.280 But very soon we are going to have someone from the Daily Wire on the show.

01:38:06.280 Not Shapiro, but somebody else.

01:38:08.920 So that should be fun.

01:38:11.880 We've been making the pods shorter.

01:38:15.720 I don't really want to.

01:38:16.520 I'm not going to go into it.

01:38:17.400 But we've had some noise complaints, even though this is like basically a tame dinner

01:38:29.720 party type conversation.

01:38:31.240 Like, so we've been trying to end the shows earlier.

01:38:36.680 So we might start having the shows start sooner here.

01:38:43.560 Maybe.

01:38:43.960 I don't know.

01:38:45.160 Soon.

01:38:46.040 Actually, I think our Tuesday show, we're going to start one hour early.

01:38:49.480 So we might we're potentially in the works of starting earlier.

01:38:54.680 David McCoy.

01:38:55.400 And thank you.

01:38:55.800 Go ahead, Madison.

01:38:56.680 If women want equality, why don't women fight to be included in the draft? 1.00

01:39:01.080 Seems like they want rights without responsibility.

01:39:03.400 Oh, my God.

01:39:03.960 The way responsibility is both.

01:39:05.880 Sorry.

01:39:06.120 I don't want to be.

01:39:09.720 Also, I think a lot of people are just against it.

01:39:11.960 The draft hasn't been triggered in over 50 years.

01:39:13.880 And I think if it was, people would have an issue with it, including a lot of feminists. 1.00

01:39:17.720 Yeah, well, feminists, their official position, if you have one official position as a feminist 1.00

01:39:23.960 group is to abolish the draft entirely.

01:39:25.880 Yeah.

01:39:26.200 For men.

01:39:26.760 I agree with that.

01:39:27.480 Yeah.

01:39:27.800 But is that that's kind of wishful thinking.

01:39:30.920 It occurs to me that a country needs to have a draft in the event of some sort of catastrophic

01:39:38.920 war.

01:39:39.320 I don't think a draft is good, but it's plausible that a country would need to call upon its citizens

01:39:44.760 to defend said country.

01:39:46.280 I don't think anyone should be forced by their government to go die for the country.

01:39:51.240 Then who would be?

01:39:52.360 I mean, if we don't have enough people that volunteer to do it, then that's but I don't

01:39:55.840 believe the answer is forcing people.

01:39:57.200 That's me, though.

01:39:57.920 So, okay.

01:39:58.920 So then you've, I mean, you've basically surrendered your country to.

01:40:06.280 I think it's I'd rather surrender my country than force people against their will.

01:40:10.080 I think it's $199.

01:40:12.000 Brian Shack named me Giga Simp Simpalu and requested me on next with my boobala ha ha.

01:40:18.000 Let's make it happen.

01:40:18.960 I promise you'll break your donation record.

01:40:21.600 Do my research for both sides.

01:40:23.600 And when I'm wrong, I take accountability to everyone.

01:40:27.360 Does body count matter?

01:40:29.040 We'll touch on body count in just a bit.

01:40:32.000 Thank you, man.

01:40:32.640 Appreciate it, Matt.

01:40:36.560 Okay.

01:40:36.880 So we were talking about the draft.

01:40:40.000 Draft.

01:40:40.480 Well, I actually think that's a really solid argument for why feminism is not actually 1.00

01:40:46.320 about true equality.

01:40:48.000 Why?

01:40:49.000 She just said the feminist position is to abolish the draft for both genders. 1.00

01:40:54.000 Well, I mean.

01:40:55.000 And it hasn't been triggered in 50 years.

01:40:56.600 Anyone who's like talking about the draft is like they're like that's the topic that

01:41:00.920 they're focused on is focused on something bizarre.

01:41:03.200 It hasn't been triggered in 50 years, but all men over the age of 18 upon turning 18 have 0.55

01:41:08.680 to register for the draft.

01:41:10.000 Yeah, and I'm against that, but it hasn't been you like nobody in our generation.

01:41:13.880 No, but you're not going to you're not going to get rid of the draft.

01:41:17.600 Therefore, we ought to equalize it.

01:41:20.240 I think that if it was to get triggered, I would be on the front line of saying that

01:41:24.640 nobody should be allowed on it.

01:41:26.240 Nobody should be allowed in it.

01:41:27.360 Okay, that's great.

01:41:28.320 War is terrible.

01:41:29.120 Okay.

01:41:29.280 Well, aren't you the one that war happens?

01:41:31.280 Okay.

01:41:31.680 So aren't you the one that just said that if there's like physical standards for getting

01:41:35.440 in to do firefighting, if there are physical standards to get into the war, a lot

01:41:38.560 of women wouldn't meet those are right, but you could be drafted into the war effort and 1.00

01:41:42.320 have a supportive role.

01:41:43.440 You don't but but women are entirely hold on. 1.00

01:41:46.160 Yeah, women are entirely exempt from even being drafted into a support role that doesn't even 1.00

01:41:51.120 face the risk of seeing combat.

01:41:52.640 Okay, so in that sense, if we're going to have a draft.

01:41:55.440 Sure, we can both be in it, but I'm saying neither of us should be in it.

01:41:58.240 So well that okay, but there shouldn't be war like it's just such even if there is war.

01:42:04.080 I don't believe in a draft.

01:42:05.280 That's what I'm saying.

01:42:05.920 Now if we're going to have one anyway, I don't think it's fair that just men are drafted. 0.85

01:42:09.680 I'll give you that right, but women aren't in the streets like demanding that they be 1.00

01:42:14.640 because this is a non-issue right now.

01:42:16.720 It's not it's not a non-issue.

01:42:18.880 Yes, none of our lives right now are impacted by the draft.

01:42:21.440 Not a single person.

01:42:22.720 No, that's that's wrong because men are required to register upon turning 18.

01:42:28.000 You can be fined if you're not.

01:42:28.560 There's certain hold on there's certain

01:42:31.200 it's harder to potentially qualify for certain

01:42:34.720 I believe student loans.

01:42:36.080 You're barred from certain federal jobs if you aren't registered.

01:42:39.840 Technically on the books, it's a felony.

01:42:42.160 There's a $500,000 fine.

01:42:43.760 Now whether a prosecutor would actually prosecute it.

01:42:48.080 No, but perhaps in wartime, they might prosecute it in wartime.

01:42:51.040 So when this is the reason the reason people are on the street is because there's no it's not wartime.

01:42:55.280 And so most men that are registering for the draft, that's the end of of what I mean

01:42:59.120 we're arguably in the least stable place in the past 40 years.

01:43:03.360 And there isn't any like talk of the draft being triggered by anyone other than the atmosphere.

01:43:08.320 No, but it's it's a totally valid thing.

01:43:11.840 For example, like you're a woman here in California.

01:43:14.640 You eyes. I'm assuming I shouldn't assume, but here in California, you can secure an abortion. 1.00

01:43:21.840 Yeah.

01:43:22.400 Did you take coral with Roe V. Wade being overturned, even though your right to an abortion in California is secure?

01:43:29.680 Yes, because I believe in.

01:43:30.800 But it's not it doesn't it doesn't affect you.

01:43:33.120 But despite the constitutional right that I think was taken away.

01:43:36.560 And it didn't just take away that if we want to get into the law and substantive due process,

01:43:40.160 I'm obviously very familiar with it. We can get into that. But it completely took out substantive due process out of the Constitution,

01:43:45.520 which does also like people have made the argument effect decisions like Loving v. Virginia.

01:43:51.440 Those the right of your children to go to certain school you want that I'm not I'm not interested, at least right.

01:43:57.120 So the reason that I have an issue with Roe V. Wade being.

01:43:59.600 Let me finish. I'm not interested right now in having an abortion discussion.

01:44:03.520 But this idea that, well, oh, it doesn't really impact anybody that there's the draft.

01:44:08.640 Well, that's it's just not true. It does impact people there.

01:44:11.600 There's men who, because they failed to register, are barred from getting certain loans.

01:44:16.320 They're barred from getting entry in certain government federal jobs.

01:44:21.280 You're every male's life in the United States today is their only thing is registering for the draft and then going on and living their normal life. 0.91

01:44:28.640 So it'd be weird if people were just on the streets, if people were on the streets protesting to abolish the draft. 0.97

01:44:33.760 And I saw that I'd be like, oh, shit, what's going on? 0.95

01:44:35.440 Like, is there a war happening? Because in general, people don't go on the streets and start picketing for something that isn't happening. 0.99

01:44:41.520 It's just not happening. All that's happening is they have to register.

01:44:43.840 So should women in California not fight for even though there's pretty much. 1.00

01:44:47.920 But it's a constitutional right. And I care about other women. 0.98

01:44:51.120 I care. Constitutional right.

01:44:52.240 I think it's a constitutional right.

01:44:53.680 So if we want to get into that, we can.

01:44:55.120 But it's also other women are impacted.

01:44:57.280 It's not like no men in the United States right now, other than being impacted by having to register.

01:45:02.320 Well, that's actually not true. There are men alive today who were drafted.

01:45:06.000 Yeah. But in the Vietnam War.

01:45:07.920 Yes. But there hasn't been for men that now turn 18 and have to register.

01:45:12.400 It's not going to be a significant part of their lives.

01:45:14.480 If there becomes a time where it is a part of their lives and they are being drafted,

01:45:17.840 I think we would see people out on the street.

01:45:19.520 I'm almost certain we'd see people.

01:45:20.720 No, probably not.

01:45:21.680 I think very unlikely.

01:45:23.040 Well, here's a bigger one.

01:45:24.160 There are men who would be alive today had there not been the draft.

01:45:27.520 And I just said, I don't like drafts.

01:45:29.520 Like, that's great. That's great. But this is a specifically male focused.

01:45:33.600 Yeah. So if we want to go back, if we want to do tit for tat back in history, we can go at it, Brian.

01:45:37.680 But yeah, here's an example. I don't think those men should have been drafted.

01:45:40.240 I'm very sorry that they lost their lives fighting for our country.

01:45:42.800 But yeah, if we want to go back in time and talk about when women were oppressed or men were oppressed, we could do that.

01:45:47.120 Go ahead, Lauren.

01:45:47.760 Well, this is kind of I mean, the reason why this was mentioned is because of women not wanting responsibility like draft for voting. 0.95

01:45:53.680 How do you guys feel about service guaranteeing citizenship?

01:45:56.400 We get rid of the draft. But hey, if you want to be able to vote, you have to do some sort of service, including military.

01:46:05.040 My thoughts.

01:46:05.680 Yeah, everybody's thoughts.

01:46:08.160 So in order to vote, you have to you have to join.

01:46:11.120 You have to be you have to just sign up for the military or some other form of service.

01:46:15.120 But the idea that a vote is not I mean, in Korea, I think there's not just military service.

01:46:20.320 They also have different types of service.

01:46:23.280 I think some people might have like religious qualifications, but the idea that it's often talked about in the manosphere.

01:46:29.280 Women want white rights without the responsibility. 1.00

01:46:31.760 And that's an issue that I have with the feminist movement as well. 1.00

01:46:35.040 And it's an issue I have with universal suffrage.

01:46:36.640 So what about the idea that if you actually want this right, you also have to take on responsibility?

01:46:41.440 So that's not gender specific. So that's just I the only thing I mean, I think it depends on what would qualify if it's accessible to everybody like paying tax.

01:46:52.880 But like if it's accessible to everybody, then sure.

01:46:55.120 But I think it would just create barriers where certain people who had the privilege to sign up for this stuff or had the privilege,

01:47:00.560 like versus someone who's just struggling to get by is working a bunch of hours, can't also have time to serve their community that they don't get a vote.

01:47:07.040 That would be my worry there. But I don't it's not gendered.

01:47:12.000 So like service, civil service type stuff.

01:47:15.600 Right. Like they have to do community like pick up trash. 1.00

01:47:19.360 Like what exactly is your I mean, I think that would that should qualify.

01:47:23.760 I just I don't like the idea that and this is often why the draft is brought up, because it's in relation to the 19th Amendment.

01:47:29.920 Women were given the right to vote. But unlike men, we never had to register for the right to draft. 0.59

01:47:34.000 And I think that's a legitimate grievance that a lot of men have.

01:47:37.600 And I'm just thinking of ways that we could seek to remedy that, but also not have zero military.

01:47:42.640 So my remedy is just different than yours. I would abolish the draft.

01:47:48.560 That's just never going to happen, though.

01:47:50.880 You can't abolish the draft.

01:47:52.640 I think that there would definitely be a conversation about it.

01:47:55.680 We're talking about, again, some crazies like we're going to go to war and now the draft.

01:47:59.040 I think clearly we haven't used the draft, even though we've had wars in the last 50 years, because there have been people that have volunteered to go.

01:48:05.360 We didn't use it for the Iraq war. We haven't used it in Afghanistan.

01:48:08.400 We haven't used it. And I think if there was another war, I don't think we would use it because I think people know there'd be an uproar about it in 2023.

01:48:16.400 And I would be on the front line saying we should abolish it, not saying men should be the only ones who have to go. 0.88

01:48:21.680 Right there. It hasn't been used in a long time, but that still doesn't nothing to diminish the fact that men are still subject to military conscription.

01:48:33.280 That's what I'm saying. It shouldn't be the case.

01:48:35.080 But I'm also saying the reason it's not a main issue is because any man who's going to bed or waking up like, oh, my God, I'm so like I'm in the draft.

01:48:41.620 I'm in the draft. You're you should get a job and work like focus on things that are actually happening to you.

01:48:47.040 That's rather that's rather let me let me just say one thing that's rather dismissive of men's concerns when it comes to their they're basically being forced to die in a military conflict.

01:48:59.500 And you might think that that's fanciful that you might think there's not a strong likelihood that well, certainly in the U.S., perhaps not.

01:49:08.820 But take, for example, Ukraine, which is a starting to become a fairly westernized country.

01:49:15.200 Mm hmm. Still to this day, men between ages of, I believe, 18 to 60, maybe even 65, they're unable to leave the country.

01:49:24.040 Yeah. OK. And no limit. There's no such limit on women. 1.00

01:49:27.840 OK, but if we want to go globally on tip for tap for women, a lot of places, women still can't go to schools. 1.00

01:49:32.720 Women still can't even drive in some places. So if we're going to go globally, we can go globally. 1.00

01:49:36.600 Yeah. So there's if we're going to go globally, I think there are far more examples of women still being oppressed, especially. 0.99

01:49:41.940 I mean, like I told you, my parents are from Iran. You see what's going on there. 1.00

01:49:44.960 Women are getting killed for not covering their hair. That's not happening anywhere in the in the world for men.

01:49:49.960 And so if we're going to I think Western society is one where it's more fair.

01:49:53.380 But if we're going to go globally, then I think globally women. 0.91

01:49:56.340 That's one example where men may be disadvantaged, but we can find far more with women have less access to education.

01:50:01.340 Women are still getting killed for having sex outside of marriage in some places like honor killings disproportionately affect women. 0.99

01:50:08.220 Child marriages affect women. 0.99

01:50:10.360 Yeah, I mean, we can go back and forth.

01:50:11.380 Exactly. That's why I didn't want to use the Ukraine argument.

01:50:14.160 Privilege or victim Olympics.

01:50:16.180 Exactly.

01:50:16.740 We can go back and forth.

01:50:17.660 I mean, but I'd actually be prepared to make the argument that globally speaking, men are.

01:50:23.340 Oh, God, OK.

01:50:25.480 That that I mean, the sole male grievance of forced military conscription, in my estimation, dwarfs all of women's collective grievances combined.

01:50:37.040 Really? It's something that isn't even affecting them?

01:50:40.460 Abolish the draft.

01:50:42.300 Make military service compulsory for both men and women, with civil service as an alternative for those who are not physically qualified.

01:50:50.640 Voting rights tied to service.

01:50:53.300 Service guarantees citizenship.

01:50:55.600 Would you like to know more?

01:50:58.280 Thank you, Raven.

01:50:59.380 You wanted to come in on something, Lauren.

01:51:00.960 Well, I guess to better understand why someone like Brian might be upset about it.

01:51:06.180 You were clearly upset about the idea of Roe versus Wade being taken from you.

01:51:10.820 But think about it.

01:51:11.500 A man can do a lot less to ensure he's not drafted than a woman can do to ensure she doesn't need an abortion. 1.00

01:51:16.840 So I would say the difference is Roe v. Wade does affect.

01:51:19.860 There have been women since Roe v. Wade has been overturned that weren't able to have access to an abortion. 1.00

01:51:25.400 There haven't been men in the last 50 years that have been drafted.

01:51:29.060 So and it's not something...

01:51:30.340 Well, men don't have any reproductive rights to begin with. 0.99

01:51:32.640 That's true.

01:51:33.060 That's because the baby isn't in your body.

01:51:35.180 So once the baby's born, there's no...

01:51:37.240 The laws are gender neutral.

01:51:38.720 There's no...

01:51:39.420 So once the baby's born, what happens is whichever parent, if there's one primary caregiver, then they're entitled to child support from the other.

01:51:48.860 So child support is actually going up from women to men now because there are more men that are in the primary caretaker role.

01:51:55.600 Or neither of you can be the parent and you guys can give it up for adoption.

01:51:58.440 Now, neither of you.

01:51:59.320 But once...

01:52:00.020 It's so fair because it's literally once the baby's in the stomach of the woman, then she has rights that the male doesn't have. 0.76

01:52:06.220 But as soon as the child is born, it's equal.

01:52:08.620 So you have a problem with biology, honestly.

01:52:10.920 No, I don't have a problem with biology.

01:52:12.860 Okay, so what's your problem?

01:52:14.140 What do you mean?

01:52:14.800 That you're mad that men don't have reproductive rights, but men don't carry children.

01:52:18.860 Well, there's...

01:52:20.300 Whatever the choice may be, let's say the woman wants to get rid of the child, the man has no say there.

01:52:25.860 If she wants to keep the child, the man has no say there.

01:52:28.320 And then also there's a term called, I'm trying to recall what it is, force?

01:52:36.520 No, it's legal paternal surrender.

01:52:41.160 So let's say the woman wants to have the kid, the guy doesn't. 0.99

01:52:45.320 In a legal paternal surrender scenario, the guy could say, well, I don't want to have any legal obligation to the child.

01:52:55.160 So not being subject to having to pay for child support, for example.

01:52:59.360 Okay, so there's a reproductive right, I guess. 0.51

01:53:01.880 I didn't even know about that.

01:53:02.640 No, it's...

01:53:02.840 Well, it's not...

01:53:03.640 No, that's not something that is the case.

01:53:05.600 Oh, well, that's not...

01:53:06.540 So once the child is born, for instance, if the woman said, I don't actually want it after it's born, but the father wants it, even if she wants to give it away for adoption, she can't now.

01:53:14.800 He, as long as he's fit to be a parent, he can have...

01:53:17.360 He's now the primary custody.

01:53:18.960 He is now the primary custodian, and she has to pay him child support.

01:53:21.800 So once the child is born, tell me where it's not fair.

01:53:24.860 It's only when the child is...

01:53:26.540 That's...

01:53:26.880 But I'm not...

01:53:27.340 I'm saying before the child is born...

01:53:28.920 Yeah, so do you think if men carried the child, do you think it would be... 0.55

01:53:33.220 Well, that's a biological impossibility.

01:53:35.420 So because it's a biological impossibility, I'm sorry that the world made it so that the child is in our bodies, and that's just the reality of biology.

01:53:42.860 It's not because we set out to have it that way.

01:53:45.260 I think a lot of women would love if their husbands could carry the child instead, or the men could carry the child. 1.00

01:53:49.100 That's not the argument I'm making.

01:53:50.840 So what is the argument you're making?

01:53:52.140 Well, I'm just saying that this idea that abortion is necessarily a gendered issue, men just have no reproductive rights to begin with. 0.85

01:54:02.260 They don't have reproductive rights when the child is not using their body as a host. 0.99

01:54:06.880 That's the only time they don't have reproductive rights that are equal to women. 1.00

01:54:11.700 Sure.

01:54:12.400 Okay.

01:54:13.200 So that's an issue with biology.

01:54:14.740 I don't know what to tell you there.

01:54:16.340 We didn't decide to be the ones that carry children, but we are the ones that carry children, which means that that is the case. 0.73

01:54:22.140 Now, if men could carry children too, I'd be all in favor of them being able to make the same decisions with their body that women should be able to make. 1.00

01:54:28.520 Right.

01:54:28.920 There's obviously biological differences, but again, the point I'm trying to make is that men don't have any reproductive rights. 0.98

01:54:34.940 Now, we can have a debate over what that would potentially look like, but what I'm trying to say is men don't have any reproductive rights. 0.97

01:54:42.200 But men aren't carrying children, and that's why. 1.00

01:54:43.880 Yes, I agree with you. 0.98

01:54:45.060 So it's a biological inequality that I guess for men, it sucks in this instance. 0.78

01:54:50.040 I don't know how we got to that. 0.62

01:54:51.360 I don't either.

01:54:52.140 I don't know where else we're going with that, but did you have something more, Lauren, or?

01:54:57.220 Not that I remember.

01:54:59.420 I would just point out that this is a draft registration card here.

01:55:04.200 And note, it says, men, 18 to 25, you can handle this.

01:55:08.500 You can handle this.

01:55:10.220 And there's, you know, don't let the colors fool you.

01:55:15.100 That's the registration portion.

01:55:19.120 All men have to do this when they turn 18. 0.99

01:55:21.100 Do most men do it?

01:55:23.340 What are the, I'm just curious, what are the, like...

01:55:24.820 Well, I mean, I have, so I'm not, like, from America, so I know a lot of other people who have kind of immigrated later.

01:55:31.920 And I have had some of my, like, college friends who've gotten green cards later on in life kind of joke about, hey, if it takes just a few more years, I don't have to register for the draft.

01:55:41.040 So it is something that they at least are prompted about, especially if you're kind of immigrating.

01:55:45.160 Do you get, like, an email when you're 18?

01:55:46.520 Like, I just don't know how it works.

01:55:47.800 Like, how does it, do you get that in the mail?

01:55:50.620 No, but I mean, in every single post office in the United States, there's going to be something like this.

01:55:55.160 How many of you guys have seen that?

01:55:57.000 Like, I feel like it's...

01:55:58.020 Well, it...

01:55:59.240 Who knows if it's different?

01:56:00.200 It's not a part of our lives in America, and it hasn't been for a long time, besides the fact that people can just say men have to register and women can't.

01:56:07.920 And I agree that's unfair.

01:56:08.920 No one should have to register.

01:56:09.980 But, of course, people are not going to be...

01:56:12.080 People are figuring out how to put food over their head, food on their table, a roof over their heads.

01:56:16.780 Nobody cares about the draft right now.

01:56:19.060 It's not a thing.

01:56:19.900 Well, it's very easy for you to be so dismissive over something that is actually quite important.

01:56:24.940 But it's not important to anyone's daily activities of living in 2023.

01:56:29.280 And it's not.

01:56:30.520 It's not.

01:56:31.060 How?

01:56:31.480 How is it?

01:56:32.180 Because in the event of a war, it would be very important.

01:56:36.080 But we've had war since that we haven't used it.

01:56:39.520 We haven't even spoken, other than in these spaces.

01:56:42.060 A war that required a draft. 0.54

01:56:42.820 We haven't even talked about, except in these spaces, the possibility of reinstating the draft.

01:56:48.880 Every time we talk about going to war, we have a military full of volunteers.

01:56:52.380 And I think the government would do more if we needed more recruits to incentivize people to volunteer, paying them more, which I think they should get paid more, giving them more benefits.

01:57:00.320 I think those are ways we could recruit people.

01:57:02.020 We have not had an enemy that necessitated a draft.

01:57:06.100 I mean, we went through 9-11, and we still didn't necessitate the draft.

01:57:09.200 Because our—well, okay, now we can have an argument over whether it was appropriate to have invaded the Middle East.

01:57:14.980 It wasn't, in my opinion.

01:57:16.400 Yeah.

01:57:16.520 But that doesn't mean that you did anyway.

01:57:18.420 Yes, I think it was a mistake.

01:57:18.860 So why didn't we use the draft?

01:57:20.100 I think it was a mistake.

01:57:21.180 However, there are two opponents that occur to me where a draft may be necessary.

01:57:25.280 For example, China or Russia.

01:57:27.480 And when that time comes, then we can talk about it.

01:57:30.020 But right now, I don't think—

01:57:31.220 When that time comes, what are you talking about?

01:57:33.180 It's not happening right now.

01:57:34.440 Nobody's talking about using—okay, right now, if we went to war with China or Russia, I think it would be a huge deal, and we would all be discussing what to do.

01:57:42.200 But I think the first step wouldn't be to, okay, get on the news.

01:57:45.940 The draft is reinstated.

01:57:47.060 Everyone pack up.

01:57:48.000 All men pack up. 0.98

01:57:48.800 Go to your local airport and get ready to be shipped out.

01:57:51.740 I don't think that's how things would go.

01:57:53.640 I think, one, we do have the biggest military in the world full of volunteers currently.

01:57:58.980 I don't know if we need more people.

01:58:00.800 Hold on.

01:58:00.980 Alvin Sam donated $99.

01:58:03.920 Jasmine, you're failing to understand.

01:58:06.840 The draft itself is not the argument.

01:58:09.440 The requirement to apply isn't that is significant to a man's daily life because it carries legal consequences if we refuse to apply.

01:58:16.800 If the biggest issue for a man in 2023 right now is that he had to spend 10 minutes registering for something that's very likely to not come to fruition, then men have it far better than I thought they did.

01:58:26.720 But I guess it's not just the time it takes to register.

01:58:29.360 It's the legal weight behind what you're registering for.

01:58:31.700 Like, as a man, just in terms of principle, is it fair?

01:58:34.700 Is it right that you should have to volunteer for the—or register for the draft?

01:58:38.160 No, it's not.

01:58:39.360 Right, but shouldn't—don't you understand people who want to tackle that now?

01:58:42.040 Like, shouldn't that be a bigger deal?

01:58:44.060 Sure, and if you—if that's an issue that you're really passionate about, sure, but I think that if we were to make a list of issues going on in our country right now, it wouldn't be in the top 20, in my opinion.

01:58:53.400 Now, if there's some guy who just feels like he's being psychologically tormented because he's so afraid of going into the draft, then sure, but a lot of Americans are concerned about other things that are affecting their daily life instead of—

01:59:05.020 Yeah, but let's say there was some event—I mean, again, it's very dismissive.

01:59:08.920 Yeah, we haven't had a draft in a very long time.

01:59:11.640 Is it looking like there's going to be a draft?

01:59:14.040 No. 0.86

01:59:14.680 But if there's some scenario where shit hits the fan, there's not going to be, like, a protracted discussion over, oh, should we do the draft? 0.99

01:59:24.740 Like, it's going to come quick, and it's going to be like, okay, you're drafted. 0.93

01:59:27.860 In addition to that, he did mention some of the other things.

01:59:31.020 So it is technically—let me see here.

01:59:33.820 It is technically a felony.

01:59:35.520 Failure to register may be fined up to $250,000, imprisoned for up to five years.

01:59:42.360 In addition to being subject to prosecution, failure to register may cause you to permanently forfeit eligibility of certain benefits.

01:59:49.720 So federal and many state laws require registration-age men to be registered with the Selective Service to remain eligible for applying for the following benefits.

01:59:57.140 It's student financial aid, government employment, employment with the U.S. Postal Service, job training, and U.S. citizenship for male immigrants.

02:00:05.120 Yeah, so like I said, I don't like this.

02:00:07.460 I want this to be changed.

02:00:08.820 But I don't think—I think for men, there are a lot of things we should be focusing on, the education gap, the issues with—I want you guys to make more money, to get paid more for your work.

02:00:17.240 I wouldn't right now be picketing for eliminating the draft because even though you have to register and even though there could be those consequences, like you said, they're not usually enforced.

02:00:25.660 I haven't heard of a case, at least maybe—I'm just unfamiliar with any case where someone's been—

02:00:29.760 No, in peace—okay, in peacetime, certainly they're not going to be enforced.

02:00:33.460 Although the—when it comes to criminal prosecution, not really being enforced.

02:00:38.160 However, the negative consequences that I just listed, that's—there's—that's not a question of enforcement. 0.84

02:00:44.300 Like, if you don't register for the draft, then you're fucked when it comes to, you know, the financial aid thing.

02:00:50.120 I talked about getting certain jobs, for example. 0.96

02:00:52.400 This is what I mean. If someone had a petition and they're like, to abolish the draft, I would sign it.

02:00:56.000 But am I going to spend my time, my resources, my energy right now fighting for this issue?

02:01:00.560 I don't think, like I said, if we polled Americans right now, it's about to be a voting year.

02:01:05.180 What is your top issues? I don't think the draft would even get, like, 3%.

02:01:10.200 And that's because there's just a general lack of caring when it comes to men's issues.

02:01:13.940 No, I think it's just a general lack of caring about something that's not happening.

02:01:18.500 I was just—

02:01:19.040 It is happening, though. There is a requirement for men to register for the Selective Service.

02:01:23.940 Now, we're not in war. It's not wartime.

02:01:26.440 So people don't care about it because it's not affecting their lives.

02:01:29.780 If it was affecting their lives, I think it would be a voting issue. It's clearly not.

02:01:33.560 It's only—the only people who care about it are the manosphere.

02:01:35.500 It's never going to be an issue because it's just the de facto. It's the default.

02:01:41.000 Men are just viewed as the disposable sex.

02:01:43.620 No, I think it's not an issue because men are worried about how they can feed their families.

02:01:48.220 They're not worried about potentially being kicked into a draft, which doesn't seem like it's coming to us anytime soon.

02:01:56.060 $500 to mute me.

02:01:57.720 I think that does trigger a mute.

02:01:59.580 All right, that's fine. I'm tired of this issue anyway.

02:02:02.040 Hold on. Let me see.

02:02:03.900 You come in. Go ahead.

02:02:05.500 Well, I don't know if I can follow that, but I was just going to mention how it's important to remember that as technology advances,

02:02:12.320 the need for physical people in the military is being reduced.

02:02:17.400 And so, you know, as we progress, I think that the issue of the draft potentially could be resolved in the way that no one would need it.

02:02:26.860 We just wouldn't need it.

02:02:27.920 And also another thing I think is important to remember is that when there's some sort of war, people usually want to support their country and their side,

02:02:36.960 and there is usually a bit of an uptick in volunteers.

02:02:40.120 Hold on.

02:02:40.460 That's a good one.

02:02:40.920 That's a good one.

02:02:41.080 I don't know.

02:02:41.360 I just said.

02:02:41.920 Donated $101.

02:02:43.700 I'm a litigator.

02:02:45.020 Of lawyer, I'd run circles around you in court.

02:02:48.520 You literally have no credibility by denying the possibility of a war big enough to need a draft.

02:02:54.480 No real lawyer would be so short-sighted.

02:02:57.300 So stop pretending to be one.

02:02:58.920 Short-sighted?

02:02:59.340 You clearly are.

02:03:00.020 Short-sighted.

02:03:01.700 Nick, it's a 10-minute mute on number nine, is it?

02:03:05.080 Yeah.

02:03:05.640 All right.

02:03:06.120 Sorry, Jasmine.

02:03:07.500 We'll get you back.

02:03:08.560 We'll get you back.

02:03:09.160 Yeah, yeah.

02:03:11.160 You were saying that...

02:03:13.480 I'm sorry.

02:03:14.740 It's true.

02:03:15.940 Because the TTS came in and interrupted you a little bit.

02:03:19.480 Oh, yeah.

02:03:19.940 There's usually an uptick in volunteers that want to support their country in some sort of event, you know.

02:03:25.140 Sure.

02:03:26.100 Just, yeah.

02:03:26.840 So I don't...

02:03:28.200 I think it is possible that we can move forward past the need for a draft.

02:03:32.620 But, I mean, it would require a war that had some, like, righteous cause.

02:03:36.520 I mean, the last time the draft was used was in Vietnam.

02:03:39.300 And, I mean, I don't think there was a big push from civilians to be like, whoa, this is, like, a really good cause here.

02:03:47.180 No, no.

02:03:47.500 I totally agree with that.

02:03:48.540 Yeah, I just...

02:03:49.400 I mean, that's just a small percentage in some cases.

02:03:52.000 Historically, that's been the case.

02:03:53.780 So, of course, it depends on the situation.

02:03:55.340 But, yeah, I think the technology thing is pretty relevant in the fact that that could...

02:03:59.540 Is currently reducing our need for physical manpower in our military.

02:04:03.780 Yeah, I mean, warfare is being fought differently, but...

02:04:08.340 But, yeah, like, compared to Vietnam, the last time we had a draft, there's no way we need that many bodies again. 0.98

02:04:13.660 Like, on that...

02:04:14.620 Well, we shouldn't have been in Vietnam.

02:04:15.960 Well, of course, I agree with that.

02:04:17.280 That's another conversation.

02:04:19.280 But, yeah, I think that because of the way that we're fighting war and that's changing, I think that that could eliminate our need for a draft.

02:04:27.560 There you have it.

02:04:28.360 Okay.

02:04:28.900 Nick, can you pull up?

02:04:29.980 Oh, I was just going to say one thing.

02:04:31.500 Actually, a couple things.

02:04:32.360 I feel like if there was to be, like, a draft, first of all, I feel like a lot of men actually wouldn't want, like, their women to be involved in the draft.

02:04:41.140 I feel like they would fight really hard to protect them not being involved.

02:04:44.860 I also think that if there was a draft, I actually think a lot of women would actually want to be involved in the draft to stand up for the country and be more equal to men just with how, like, things are these days.

02:04:58.160 And also, if this is such a huge deal, which I agree that it is, and I think that it could actually possibly scare me, too, if I was a man.

02:05:08.000 But I don't understand why men then aren't, like, fighting more for us to just, like, all try to abolish the draft.

02:05:15.360 Because I think most women, if not all women, would, like, support that claim that there just shouldn't be a draft.

02:05:21.200 Because there's not really solidarity amongst men in the same way that there's solidarity amongst women.

02:05:26.140 And they've done studies on this, and women have a strong in-group bias for other women, and men have a slight out-group bias for women.

02:05:37.660 So there's not, like, going to be that same level of solidarity.

02:05:40.820 There's also not, like, the giant machine that is feminism that's just, like, pumping out and digging its nails into, like, all these realms of human endeavor. 0.98

02:05:51.980 Recruitment numbers for U.S. military are at an all-time low.

02:05:55.360 So, entitled generations want student loan debt forgiven, but aren't willing to sign up for four years of military service to get their tuition paid for. 0.99

02:06:04.560 Also, young adults are too stupid to pass SASVAP. 0.97

02:06:07.940 Yo, Raven, thank you very much for the very generous TTS. 0.99

02:06:12.060 Thank you, guys.

02:06:12.740 Thank you, everybody, tonight for all the very generous TTS.

02:06:16.440 It's much appreciated.

02:06:18.140 All right.

02:06:18.620 Let me read it.

02:06:19.360 Oh, Nick, can you pull up Twitch?

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02:06:52.940 Wait.

02:06:53.700 Did we do this one?

02:06:54.480 Oh, wait, no, hold on.

02:06:58.460 Bender the Offender, ladies, who do you think gets more praise in today's society, boss babes 1.00

02:07:02.220 or blue-collar men?

02:07:05.580 Yeah, sorry, you got another five minutes.

02:07:08.220 Go ahead.

02:07:10.000 I think boss babes. 0.99

02:07:13.540 I mean, it's definitely much more in the media and all that about like, oh, this is a woman-owned

02:07:20.340 company, this is this, this, that.

02:07:21.980 Yeah, so I would say nowadays...

02:07:24.100 Who here's a boss babe? 1.00

02:07:26.060 Show of hands.

02:07:28.100 Lauren?

02:07:28.560 Are you a boss babe, Lauren?

02:07:29.840 I don't think anyone would call me a boss babe.

02:07:32.860 A boss babe?

02:07:33.300 No, I think they would, yeah.

02:07:34.800 I think I would, yeah, for sure.

02:07:38.300 Because you're successful.

02:07:39.900 You've got a, you know, presence online.

02:07:42.960 Yeah.

02:07:44.160 Do you consider yourself like a political pundit, commentator?

02:07:48.440 What would you define?

02:07:49.520 I'm flexible, just please don't call me an influencer.

02:07:52.740 I've had people, and I was very offended, or a vlogger, that I don't like either.

02:07:57.420 I mean, I think I've definitely done well for myself in terms of a platform, but I feel

02:08:02.240 like when we hear the term, and maybe I'm wrong in this, but when I hear the term boss

02:08:05.960 babe, it's someone who's not just successful.

02:08:08.480 They're also a leader, entrepreneurial.

02:08:11.060 They're probably, like, they have a kind of, like, ambitions to grow almost an empire.

02:08:17.060 Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I don't just see it as, oh, you're a successful

02:08:20.860 woman.

02:08:23.260 Can a guy be a boss babe?

02:08:25.480 Am I?

02:08:26.440 I'm a boss babe.

02:08:27.460 Totally.

02:08:29.160 I can be a boss babe.

02:08:29.720 Yeah, you are.

02:08:30.520 Yeah.

02:08:30.720 There you go.

02:08:31.400 All right.

02:08:31.960 There you have it.

02:08:32.720 There you have it.

02:08:34.040 All right.

02:08:34.480 Thank you, Bender the Offender.

02:08:36.960 TJ underscore investor 05 donated $99.

02:08:41.200 Hey, 304 with a bar license from Groupon.

02:08:44.900 Groupon.

02:08:45.400 Okay.

02:08:46.240 Would you prefer that the Nazis won World War II? 0.95

02:08:49.500 This is a big issue.

02:08:51.200 We are on the forefront of the most brutal WW. 0.54

02:08:54.760 Oh, FC, you care more about abortion so you can get railed while we die in the Chinese 0.93

02:08:59.700 jungle. 0.99

02:09:01.440 Yeah, sorry.

02:09:02.180 Hey, we, her, uh, Bender the Offender muted her mic, so, uh, she can't respond, but I will

02:09:08.160 respond on behalf of her.

02:09:10.020 Jan L. Klassen donated $99.

02:09:13.120 Let's do away with the draft that implement a two-year mandatory service for all individuals,

02:09:18.720 regardless of second maybe, than some brats would learn responsibility after being put

02:09:23.640 through the ringer.

02:09:25.100 Isn't freedom of choice our whole thing in the United States?

02:09:30.120 We do have to pay taxes.

02:09:32.180 I can't choose not to do that.

02:09:36.980 But, uh, I mean, there's a lot of other countries that have the, uh, that, I think,

02:09:42.080 Yeah, absolutely.

02:09:43.400 Wait.

02:09:43.880 I know Israel.

02:09:44.160 Actually, a lot of them.

02:09:45.200 Israel, Singapore, South Korea, I think, perhaps Sweden.

02:09:48.580 I know Switzerland has compulsory, compulsory, male military service.

02:09:57.400 There's definitely a lot of countries where the men have to do military service, but the

02:10:01.200 women are exempt, even from, like, doing a civil type thing. 1.00

02:10:05.360 So, uh, TJ, I will respond on behalf of Jasmine.

02:10:11.960 She concurs with everything you said.

02:10:14.860 She full-heartedly agrees with every single point you have made.

02:10:19.160 Is that what you're saying?

02:10:21.140 World War II?

02:10:22.020 That's what he said.

02:10:25.280 You just agree with him on pretty, practically everything.

02:10:29.800 But, uh, TJ, appreciate it, man.

02:10:31.060 All right, we have, uh, let's see.

02:10:34.520 Oh, yeah, Bender, he did this one.

02:10:36.280 Uh, yeah, I'd, I'd say so.

02:10:37.900 Um, I definitely think, uh, men who work blue-collar jobs should get a little more, uh, praise,

02:10:45.620 I guess.

02:10:46.880 Uh, they're the ones that hold up the society, you know, and all that.

02:10:51.940 All right, we have Josh Berg here.

02:10:54.600 Uh, Maddie, can you read this?

02:10:56.320 The reason I'm so driven to financially provide for my wife is because I don't want her to 0.90

02:11:01.100 work, not because she can't, but because I want her to have the most comfortable life.

02:11:04.840 She still works because she's working to pay off her debt that she has. 1.00

02:11:09.520 Okay, thank you, Josh Berg, appreciate it.

02:11:12.280 Uh, and I didn't, I, we were having a back, and you can't even, well, you can talk in a

02:11:17.380 minute, so I'll just talk at you, and then you can, we were talking about, like, hypergamy 0.90

02:11:21.340 and men not really caring about a woman's income, and, I mean, I think there's a biological

02:11:26.720 evolutionary basis for that, but the other argument I would make is one of the reasons

02:11:34.660 men don't really particularly care, and I've made this argument before, is that women 1.00

02:11:38.320 don't really share their resources with men the same way that men share their resources 1.00

02:11:41.860 with women, so it's, even if a guy was inclined to care about a woman's success or income, a 0.71

02:11:50.160 lot of women are not prepared, especially early on in a relationship, to provide to the 1.00

02:11:54.680 same degree that, like, a man would.

02:11:56.060 For example, like, paying for the first date, a lot of women not cool with paying for the 1.00

02:12:01.540 first date, uh, certainly there are some women who are fine with it, but, like, as 1.00

02:12:08.500 a guy going into a first date, there's certainly never an expectation that she's going to pay

02:12:12.540 for the whole date.

02:12:13.580 You might be a bit more egalitarian and think, okay, well, maybe we'll split the bill, but

02:12:19.940 as a guy, it's kind of a crapshoot.

02:12:22.000 You don't know, like, oh, is she going to be cool with splitting the bill?

02:12:24.540 A lot of women aren't. 1.00

02:12:25.740 And, uh, I'm just, a lot of guys are going to be like, okay, let me just, I'll just pay

02:12:30.160 for it, just that, to cover my bases.

02:12:33.000 So, it's like, hold on, let me rant, I gotta rant for a little more, then you're unmuted.

02:12:40.120 Uh, so, we don't derive a benefit from women's success or their money, uh, certainly up front 1.00

02:12:49.540 in a relationship the same way that women might. 0.99

02:12:51.660 And, and I'm not saying all men move like this, but there's definitely men who take

02:12:56.260 a girl on a date, nice date, pay for the, pay for the dinner, um, might treat her to 1.00

02:13:02.560 a concert, take her out, you know, somewhere, you know, sometimes spend 50 bucks, 100 bucks

02:13:07.780 on a first date. 0.98

02:13:09.400 Um, there's even synths out there that are going to pay for fucking shopping sprees and 1.00

02:13:14.560 shit, which is a small, I'd say a small proportion of men, but there's definitely men who are going 0.99

02:13:20.920 to lead with their money in that sort of way. 0.99

02:13:22.920 So, uh, Nick, you can unmute her. 0.99

02:13:26.540 I'm back, bitches. 1.00

02:13:28.500 I'm sorry. 0.98

02:13:29.400 I'm sorry, guys.

02:13:30.500 Someone can pay you another 500.

02:13:31.840 I'd be quiet for that.

02:13:32.780 There is that.

02:13:33.240 But I would say that maybe you're right when it comes to just dating, but when it comes

02:13:36.600 to family creation, women are just as likely as men to support their family and their offspring. 0.91

02:13:41.800 So, for that, maybe you're right.

02:13:43.320 I don't think like, I don't think people care for like a first date or in the dating phase,

02:13:46.780 how much money one woman makes, especially if they're expected and they, they are planning 1.00

02:13:50.120 to provide all that.

02:13:51.120 But when it comes to actually long-term relationships, which is what the studies are showing that

02:13:55.420 men are starting to care more and more about woman's income, about her education is a big

02:14:00.480 one.

02:14:00.740 I mean, maternal education has a big impact on kids. 0.82

02:14:03.500 Those kids end up doing far better, um, having far higher proficiency levels in math,

02:14:08.020 science, they end up doing far better in school.

02:14:10.180 Moms who are highly educated expose their children to activities that stimulate their cognitive

02:14:14.280 development.

02:14:15.400 Um, there's a study that showed that like kids who have parents that are, have more

02:14:19.020 than a bachelor's degree here, like 30 million more words by age, like something than kids

02:14:23.720 who have parents on welfare.

02:14:25.040 Like these are things that you should definitely be thinking about.

02:14:27.800 College educated women have lower divorce rates. 1.00

02:14:30.420 Um, and their marriage.

02:14:31.480 I actually heard that.

02:14:32.660 No, that is just an absolute.

02:14:34.220 It was even published in 2023, 2023 stats came out.

02:14:38.420 They were in Forbes again.

02:14:39.620 And especially when you look at longevity, a woman with a college degree is, uh, almost 80% likely 1.00

02:14:44.200 to have a marriage that lasts at least 20 years, a woman without a college degree. 0.99

02:14:47.140 I heard it's more likely if she's college educated to initiate a divorce, but that's 1.00

02:14:51.000 what you're conflating.

02:14:51.900 So you're conflating, you're looking, so you have selection bias.

02:14:54.380 So you're looking at couples who are already getting divorced.

02:14:56.520 And then you're saying in those couples that are getting divorced, the women are more likely

02:14:59.820 to initiate if they're college educated.

02:15:01.300 You're right.

02:15:01.780 But those women are less likely to be in that position in the first place. 1.00

02:15:04.900 So you have a selection bias by just looking at college people, couples that are getting

02:15:08.960 divorced.

02:15:09.600 Well, wouldn't, is it really a selection?

02:15:11.900 Wouldn't you be looking of the people that are getting divorced?

02:15:15.380 Wouldn't you be looking at that?

02:15:17.220 Yeah.

02:15:17.400 But of the people that are getting divorced, but they're more less likely to be in that

02:15:20.560 group in the first place.

02:15:21.640 Do you see what I'm saying?

02:15:22.500 Okay.

02:15:22.680 I see what you mean.

02:15:23.340 So that's, that's where that people, this sphere, man's sphere constantly conflates

02:15:27.220 those.

02:15:27.440 I called it on a fresh and fit too.

02:15:28.680 It's very easy.

02:15:30.120 You could look this up super easily.

02:15:31.460 So if you're going to look at the couples that are getting divorced, I think it makes sense. 0.96

02:15:35.140 A woman who has more resources is more likely to initiate and leave a situation, shitty 1.00

02:15:38.760 situation, but college educated women are less likely to be in that situation in the first 1.00

02:15:42.740 place.

02:15:43.040 And you're just looking at people who are already in that situation.

02:15:45.160 Well, then, but I've also heard that, uh, women who are the breadwinners are more likely 1.00

02:15:49.200 to divorce their husbands. 1.00

02:15:50.640 But again, college, but it's not even just among the cohort of people that are getting

02:15:56.120 divorced.

02:15:56.480 It's just is more likely.

02:15:58.380 So that has been true.

02:15:59.160 It's been narrowing, but that is true.

02:16:00.720 But that still doesn't negate the fact that those women who are more educated, especially 1.00

02:16:06.000 if you have higher than like a, um, bachelor's degree, like your divorce rate goes down to

02:16:10.140 25%, which is half of what the general population is.

02:16:13.860 Okay.

02:16:15.580 Okay.

02:16:16.200 Cool.

02:16:16.660 Cool.

02:16:17.460 Cool stuff.

02:16:18.360 Cool stuff.

02:16:18.820 Good story.

02:16:20.020 Good story.

02:16:21.200 But in any case, when it comes to dating, for example, uh, men don't really derive a benefit

02:16:25.620 from, and from a woman's success. 1.00

02:16:27.660 Well, that study I mentioned that Corinne did showed that they put people, they put like

02:16:31.700 millions of dating app users and they put their faces and they put their income and both

02:16:35.380 men and women were more likely to rate someone as more attractive.

02:16:38.620 Um, both men and women, if including men were more likely to rate a woman as attractive

02:16:43.060 when she had higher income.

02:16:45.000 So they're starting to care at least on dating apps.

02:16:47.560 Now, I don't know if these people were dating for marriage or what they were dating for.

02:16:50.840 I think this would be a bigger deal if you're looking for marriage.

02:16:53.440 And it's also the bigger deal for women. 1.00

02:16:54.900 If they're looking for long-term relationships, we talk about time.

02:16:57.640 Women who are looking for shorter-term relationships care more about the physical attractiveness 1.00

02:17:01.340 of their, of their, um, significant other.

02:17:03.700 Women who are looking for long-term relationships care more about other things. 1.00

02:17:09.260 Disavow.

02:17:10.240 Like, okay, you can talk about the studies, right?

02:17:14.460 Yeah.

02:17:14.640 But, I mean, maybe we can ask all the girls here at the table, and perhaps we asked this

02:17:18.780 to you last time, uh, would you, if on a first date the guy asked to split the bill,

02:17:25.480 would you take quarrel with that?

02:17:27.080 Depends.

02:17:27.500 If he asked to take me to dinner, if he asked me, then I expect the person who asked to 0.74

02:17:32.520 pay.

02:17:33.320 So, yeah.

02:17:33.820 I mean, here, we'll go around the table and I'll address that.

02:17:36.760 What about you?

02:17:37.400 I wouldn't have a problem with it.

02:17:40.000 I would be fine with that.

02:17:41.640 And sometimes I would even offer to pay the entire bill myself.

02:17:45.060 Okay.

02:17:45.340 Yeah, I think it's case by case, but I, I do, I don't know, I, oh, sorry.

02:17:50.300 I think it's so, like, circumstantial, because I do kind of agree that, like, if you're asked

02:17:54.700 to be, like, wined and dined, and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, so you got half?

02:17:59.100 I do think that would be kind of like, hmm.

02:18:01.260 But, yeah.

02:18:01.780 So, I think it just depends on, like, the conversation, the relationship before, because

02:18:05.020 also, if it wasn't like that, like, they were all, like, big gang, I'm going to take you

02:18:08.360 out, then I wouldn't mind splitting at all.

02:18:10.520 So, yeah.

02:18:10.860 I think it kind of depends.

02:18:12.140 Yeah.

02:18:12.440 I actually want to add to my answer, kind of going off of yours.

02:18:15.120 I would be slightly mad if they asked to do, like, halfsies. 1.00

02:18:18.560 Like, if we did separate checks, I'd be fine, because I don't drink, and normally drinks

02:18:22.260 are expensive.

02:18:23.140 So, if we went half on, and they were drinking, I'd be like, mm-mm.

02:18:27.240 Okay.

02:18:28.320 Lauren, what about you?

02:18:29.540 I've split the bill on dates.

02:18:31.000 I've paid for a lot of dates, too.

02:18:33.620 I think, I don't like the idea that you should have to have a financial investment just to

02:18:38.520 get to, like, if I were single, I don't think it should be dependent on a financial loss

02:18:42.760 potentially for you, just to get to know me.

02:18:45.160 Madison?

02:18:45.920 I'd most definitely love if a man paid for the whole entire thing, but I don't mind at

02:18:50.800 all, either.

02:18:52.020 Okay.

02:18:53.120 So, you mentioned that if the guy asked you.

02:18:58.460 Yeah.

02:18:59.060 Then he should pay, right?

02:19:00.840 More often than not, who's asking for the first date, the guy or you?

02:19:06.200 Are you advocating for some type of affirmative action here, Brian?

02:19:10.260 I'm not asking for affirmative action, but...

02:19:12.860 It just happens to be, just like it happens to be with firefighting, that more men can

02:19:17.180 meet the standard.

02:19:18.440 Men ask women out more. 0.58

02:19:19.980 That is true.

02:19:20.600 Right.

02:19:20.720 They're more likely to, because they ask, in my opinion, the person who asks is hosting.

02:19:25.540 When someone says, can I take you out to dinner?

02:19:28.600 I assume you want to take me out to dinner.

02:19:30.540 Yes, if you word it like that.

02:19:31.700 But if you, for example, you're like, do you want to grab some food?

02:19:35.060 That's a bit more ambiguous.

02:19:36.760 Or like, are you free for dinner?

02:19:38.520 Yeah.

02:19:38.940 Yeah.

02:19:39.260 So for me, it's still that person asking, personally.

02:19:42.500 That's what I think.

02:19:43.180 I think the person that has should pay.

02:19:44.060 So you would take an issue with...

02:19:45.380 I would.

02:19:45.860 And one of the reasons for that is I would assume, because one, if he asked, and two,

02:19:49.880 because still we're in this society where he's expected to pay and he's foregoing that,

02:19:54.520 and he didn't even mention it.

02:19:55.720 And first of all, I've never had that happen.

02:19:57.200 But if it did, I would assume he's just a cheap and stingy person.

02:20:00.600 And me, from the culture I'm from, like, I am fighting to pay for everybody.

02:20:04.840 And it's not just a gender thing.

02:20:05.860 I just went to lunch with a colleague.

02:20:07.320 He's, like, in his 50s, old colleague, Mormon guy in his 50s.

02:20:10.280 I paid.

02:20:10.980 Like, he took out his wallet.

02:20:11.760 I said, no, let me pay.

02:20:12.700 I constantly try to pay for my friends.

02:20:14.360 We're always fighting for the bill.

02:20:15.580 So it's not about that.

02:20:16.780 But I'd be afraid that he's one of those people who's going to be like...

02:20:19.580 I'm not even friends with people who are like, can you Venmo me for the Skittles?

02:20:22.760 Because I don't even know, like, how to be friends with someone like that.

02:20:25.820 I'm, like, afraid to hang out with them.

02:20:27.160 Because if they're running into the gas station and they're like, do you want anything?

02:20:29.560 I'm like, no, because I'm so afraid that they're going to be so perplexed by having to pay for something of mine.

02:20:34.840 And so a guy who's automatically showing me that behavior...

02:20:37.840 I don't even split checks with my friends.

02:20:39.280 It's more like, okay, I'll get you.

02:20:40.820 You get me next time.

02:20:41.660 So I would never want to be with...

02:20:43.640 Have a friend or a significant other who likes to split checks.

02:20:48.100 It's just not part of me or my culture.

02:20:50.320 And I like that part of my culture, so...

02:20:52.840 Okay, but you do acknowledge that it is a stereotypical gender role to expect a guy to pay for the first day. 1.00

02:20:58.940 Yeah, it is.

02:20:59.560 Okay, well, I mean, how do you reconcile that with your rather egalitarian view on other things?

02:21:04.840 I don't think that it should be...

02:21:06.400 I don't think the stereotype should be in place in the sense of because he's a man, he should pay.

02:21:12.200 Which is why when I just went to dinner, I mean, to lunch with a colleague, and he's a man and he's much older than me, I asked to pay.

02:21:18.880 So I think...

02:21:19.520 That wasn't a romantic scenario.

02:21:20.360 It wasn't a romantic scenario.

02:21:21.640 And I said, if I ask a guy out, I'll pay.

02:21:24.140 And after the first date, like, if I want to see you again, and I'm like, after that, they don't have to pay for every date.

02:21:28.980 But usually, if you ask me to be there in the first place, then I think you should pay.

02:21:33.880 And if you don't pay, then I'd be like, ooh, he's just like a cheap, stingy person.

02:21:37.580 That would be my impression of it.

02:21:39.340 And it's like, you asked me to be here, and you're not paying.

02:21:42.840 Now...

02:21:43.280 Well, the guy asking you to be there, you admitted yourself that you don't really ask men to go out on dates.

02:21:51.560 No.

02:21:52.200 So, I mean, if men are de facto the ones that have to ask women for dates, then...

02:21:58.180 They don't have to ask women, they just have to ask me, if you want me to go out.

02:22:01.420 Because I barely leave my house, so there's no way I'm asking a random guy to go out on a date.

02:22:04.900 I'll barely go out to see my friends.

02:22:06.140 Right, so even you, somebody who's not really out and about, you're still expecting a guy to take on the burden of having to initiate.

02:22:16.560 Yeah, I mean, he has to take the burden to initiate.

02:22:19.580 And the bottom line is, just the way things work, it may not be fair, life is not fair, but far more men want to go out with me than I do with them initially.

02:22:28.320 That's how it is, though.

02:22:29.220 That's just how it is.

02:22:29.940 Men are initiators. 0.80

02:22:30.480 Yeah, so therefore, if men are initiators, I think they should pay for the first date. 0.95

02:22:35.460 Sorry, I have a question for you.

02:22:37.760 So, would you be open to, like, if a guy asks you to do something where, like, hey, do you want to go for a walk or a run?

02:22:45.480 Like, would that be an acceptable date idea?

02:22:47.880 Maybe not a walk or a run, because I always wear heels.

02:22:49.860 But I'm okay with, like, oh, you know, there's fireworks going on at the park tonight.

02:22:53.920 Do you want to go do that?

02:22:54.700 Yeah, I don't expect them to take me on some expensive, lavish date.

02:22:57.920 In fact, that would kind of make me uncomfortable, because I still have that part of me that, like, because I make good money. 0.95

02:23:03.120 Like, when I'm at a restaurant, I just order whatever the fuck I want.

02:23:05.620 If I knew someone else was paying for it, I would be like, okay, let me not get this appetizer. 0.91

02:23:09.100 Let me not.

02:23:09.560 Like, I do have that in my head, and it's actually more uncomfortable, but yeah.

02:23:15.340 Right.

02:23:15.640 Well, I guess it's just convenient that if your position is, well, whoever asks should pay, it does sort of glance over and overlook the fact that men, de facto, are the ones who are initiating and who are asking women out on dates.

02:23:27.480 I think that's just the reality.

02:23:28.980 I don't think that that's, I think women who want to ask men out on dates should, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

02:23:33.800 Yeah, but overwhelmingly women don't. 1.00

02:23:35.680 Yeah, and that's just the reality of it is what it is.

02:23:38.340 Like, men are going to ask women out more, and so because of that, because they're in that role, then yeah, they might, they're going to have, I think they should.

02:23:44.960 When it comes to something that perhaps is, negatively impacts men, it is what it is.

02:23:52.320 I don't think it's how it should be.

02:23:54.800 Well, no, but you said, you do think so, because you said that men should pay for the first date.

02:24:00.140 I don't think that men, no, I don't think that women, men should be asking women out more than women ask men out.

02:24:05.460 I just think that's the reality of the situation.

02:24:07.240 That's wishful thinking.

02:24:07.820 What do you mean, is it wishful thinking?

02:24:09.080 I'm saying it shouldn't.

02:24:09.960 You think what?

02:24:10.700 I'm saying it shouldn't, it shouldn't, I'm not saying that I think that it should be the case, but it is the case, and that's just the reality.

02:24:17.540 Just like I said, it's the reality that women carry children. 1.00

02:24:20.500 The way the dating market works, if we're talking about reality, and this is the truth, and the red pill, it is the case that men generally are more likely to be the chasers and the initiators of dates.

02:24:29.640 And unless you want to implement some kind of affirmative action here.

02:24:32.660 Yes, let's implement affirmative action. 0.97

02:24:34.980 I don't know what else to do about that.

02:24:36.760 Women will be legally obligated to hit on one dude a week, by law. 1.00

02:24:42.700 If you don't, it's a felony, you get thrown in jail.

02:24:45.820 Sorry, you didn't talk to enough dudes.

02:24:48.160 All right, let me do a couple chats here.

02:24:50.380 We have, did we do this one?

02:24:54.080 Yeah.

02:24:54.340 Did we do this?

02:24:56.300 Did we do this one?

02:24:58.200 No.

02:24:59.220 Who's Lauren?

02:25:00.340 Me.

02:25:01.160 Oh, sorry, sorry.

02:25:02.460 Okay, yeah, yeah, my bad.

02:25:04.200 I'm looking at this side of the table.

02:25:05.860 Lauren, yeah, yeah, okay.

02:25:10.020 Do you want me to read it?

02:25:10.760 Oh, yeah, can you read it?

02:25:11.520 I'm sorry, I don't have my glasses.

02:25:13.180 Oh, that's fine.

02:25:14.300 Madison, can you read it?

02:25:15.640 Lauren, in digital's arcane depths, your erudite exposition sign, embracing variegated paired,

02:25:25.080 I, like, cannot pronounce any of those words.

02:25:27.040 Madison did not have general education.

02:25:29.540 I didn't.

02:25:30.360 No, those are hard, and this is a very well-crafted comment.

02:25:33.280 Yeah.

02:25:34.140 Jasmine, read it.

02:25:35.040 I, I'm not racist.

02:25:37.360 Embracing variegated paradigms, your crafted, excuse me, profundities, epitomize wisdom's

02:25:45.220 zenith.

02:25:46.860 Intellectual alchemy beckons wisdom seekers in utmost reverence.

02:25:52.700 Wow.

02:25:53.320 Yeah, I definitely wrote that.

02:25:54.280 It's like a poem.

02:25:54.960 Stop.

02:25:55.140 I'm looking at her comment, people comment on her versus me.

02:25:57.860 Like, why can't I get this?

02:25:59.820 Even negatively.

02:26:01.780 Just give me this kind of word choice.

02:26:03.980 It's beautiful.

02:26:04.820 Might have something to do with your, or.

02:26:08.480 My what?

02:26:09.520 Your chosen profession, I reckon.

02:26:12.080 And that's men who are less educated, I think, tend to have a bigger issue with it.

02:26:18.320 All right.

02:26:18.680 We have Ryan the Eating Warrior.

02:26:21.300 Madison?

02:26:22.260 It's cool.

02:26:22.860 The way she laughs about the draft, I laugh about Roe v. Wade being overturned.

02:26:26.320 For someone claiming to be so educated, you're coming off kind of tarted.

02:26:30.160 NGL.

02:26:31.180 Oh, my God.

02:26:31.960 I mean, at least you used the right yore.

02:26:33.900 A win is a win.

02:26:35.340 Okay.

02:26:38.020 I've known thousands of women in my life, and Jasmine is truly the most annoying of all. 1.00

02:26:42.740 Please don't ever bring it back on the show.

02:26:45.760 Wow. 0.99

02:26:46.400 Damn. 0.99

02:26:47.120 First of all, why does every single person spell my name differently that's commented? 0.99

02:26:51.100 Like, it's been spelled so many ways.

02:26:54.120 That is a good question.

02:26:56.080 That is a good question.

02:26:56.980 J-A-Z-M-E-N. 1.00

02:26:58.300 Why can they not spell her name?

02:26:59.440 Who knows?

02:27:00.760 It is a mystery that will elude us for decades.

02:27:03.900 Okay.

02:27:04.540 Madison, go ahead. 0.99

02:27:05.180 It's so foolish for this woman to say there's no need for a draft. 1.00

02:27:08.320 Basically, all big wars had drafts. 0.99

02:27:10.240 We would have lost to the Nazis without a draft. 0.98

02:27:12.940 All these dumb things you say were protected by that draft. 1.00

02:27:15.700 Foolish people. 1.00

02:27:16.960 I mean, it's not World War II anymore. 1.00

02:27:20.640 So much has changed since then.

02:27:22.540 It's like...

02:27:23.720 We already have the biggest military in the world.

02:27:25.620 I don't think our concern as a society right now should be how do we expand our military through the draft.

02:27:31.700 Or thinking about some scenario.

02:27:33.620 Like, again, I think there's a reason that this is not an issue when it comes to voting.

02:27:38.320 If it was, if people were really worried about this, men or women, it would be.

02:27:41.740 Because our politicians like to exploit what people are worried about in order to win.

02:27:45.960 People are worried about the economy, inflation, how to feed their kids.

02:27:49.080 They're worried about how to pay off their debt.

02:27:51.400 They're not like, oh, I'm just waking up every morning, like rocking.

02:27:54.880 Like, is today the day?

02:27:56.140 Is today the day I'm going to get drafted?

02:27:57.400 That's just not happening.

02:27:59.820 Hmm.

02:28:00.760 Hmm.

02:28:01.740 Cute.

02:28:02.420 Cute.

02:28:02.920 Cute.

02:28:04.280 But, okay, we already talked enough about that.

02:28:07.280 Yeah, I agree.

02:28:08.780 All right.

02:28:09.200 They're going to meet me.

02:28:09.900 Thank you, Austin Smith, though.

02:28:12.160 Appreciate it.

02:28:14.020 If a man you're interested in admitting something made him cry or you saw him cry, would your feelings for him change?

02:28:19.400 Stop the cap. 0.94

02:28:21.600 I love that.

02:28:24.220 I love whenever men show emotion and cry. 1.00

02:28:26.900 Stop the cap. 0.94

02:28:27.840 No, I'm not.

02:28:29.160 It's not cap. 1.00

02:28:29.980 Such bullshit. 1.00

02:28:30.920 It is not. 1.00

02:28:31.700 Such bullshit. 0.99

02:28:32.680 It is not. 0.99

02:28:33.460 Actually, my boobaloo said he never cried, like, before we got together.

02:28:38.220 And he's a huge dude.

02:28:39.460 And, like, sometimes he does cry.

02:28:41.520 And I just, like, fall, like, more in love.

02:28:44.180 So.

02:28:44.900 No cap.

02:28:45.780 I second this.

02:28:49.420 It's men being able to be vulnerable in front of me makes me feel like I did something right

02:28:55.200 in giving them the space to show their emotions and to trust me enough as their partner to be okay being themselves in front of me.

02:29:04.140 And I think.

02:29:04.940 Oh, sorry.

02:29:05.380 Your thoughts, Lauren?

02:29:06.800 I think there's a limit.

02:29:10.860 I think as a woman, it would be very hard to have a partner who cries regularly.

02:29:17.320 You know, I think.

02:29:18.220 I think.

02:29:19.620 Yeah.

02:29:20.220 I mean, I think.

02:29:20.960 Do you like women who cry regularly? 1.00

02:29:23.060 No.

02:29:23.180 Yeah.

02:29:23.360 So, I think there's a time and a place.

02:29:26.860 But, you know, in general.

02:29:28.200 Nobody should cry regularly.

02:29:29.940 Yeah.

02:29:30.140 I agree.

02:29:30.660 I think in general, it's attractive when a man is more stoic.

02:29:35.240 And I agree, though.

02:29:36.120 Even for women, I'm not looking for someone who cries a lot as a friend.

02:29:39.240 That's annoying.

02:29:40.560 I understand that, like, you want to feel like the only person that your partner can be vulnerable with.

02:29:47.680 Because he trusts you more than everyone.

02:29:49.340 And I think that's what women talk about when they say, I want a man to cry in front of me. 1.00

02:29:53.960 But I don't think any woman wants a man who makes it a habit. 0.55

02:29:58.360 Let's just put it that way.

02:29:59.320 Yeah.

02:29:59.620 For sure.

02:30:00.260 Man or woman. 0.78

02:30:01.200 Yeah.

02:30:01.640 It's like, I don't know if you guys saw Elemental, the new Pixar movie.

02:30:04.960 Yeah.

02:30:05.020 But I hated that crying water guy because he was always crying.

02:30:08.460 He was so annoying.

02:30:09.080 He was like, why is this?

02:30:09.640 But he's water.

02:30:10.400 That's.

02:30:11.500 Water doesn't need to be always crying.

02:30:13.340 So that was frustrating.

02:30:15.020 Your thoughts?

02:30:17.140 I might get a lot of hate for this.

02:30:19.640 But it kind of makes me uncomfortable when, kind of like you said, when anyone's really emotional around me.

02:30:25.500 I, myself, am not an emotional human.

02:30:28.320 And so, I actually had to have a conversation with one of my friends the other day.

02:30:32.340 Because, you know, it was one of those things where it was just paragraphs of feelings.

02:30:36.880 And, you know, this is a tough one.

02:30:38.120 My sister, actually, during Elemental, my sister's like that. 0.60

02:30:40.500 She's probably watching this.

02:30:41.360 She started bawling, watching that.

02:30:44.520 And I was so uncomfortable.

02:30:45.980 I was like, what are you doing?

02:30:47.660 Like, and that's my sister.

02:30:48.740 We're in the movie theater.

02:30:49.180 So, anyways, like I was saying, it's like, so, it's not just men, but if anyone is too emotional.

02:30:59.660 I'm uncomfy.

02:31:00.820 I shut down.

02:31:01.500 I'm like, no, please go talk to someone, anyone else.

02:31:05.980 Yeah, I think this idea of, I don't, I don't believe this idea that.

02:31:12.760 Oh, yo.

02:31:13.780 All right.

02:31:14.280 Arab money, 52, donated $1,000.

02:31:17.240 I got one.

02:31:17.900 I got one here.

02:31:19.540 Dude.

02:31:20.060 Wow.

02:31:20.420 Arab money.

02:31:21.340 Hold on.

02:31:21.940 I'm going to pop the show.

02:31:24.020 Sure.

02:31:26.020 Yo, thanks.

02:31:27.700 So, what's my name?

02:31:31.000 Hold on.

02:31:32.740 I thought I was being muted.

02:31:34.980 What's up?

02:31:35.540 I thought I was being muted.

02:31:38.340 Arab money, if you want, you can mute Jasmine. 0.86

02:31:41.220 Let us know.

02:31:41.740 You can.

02:31:42.860 It is above the, oh, thank you, Matt.

02:31:44.360 Matthew McCarthy donated $0,000.

02:31:46.400 Oh, thanks for throwing me under the bus.

02:31:50.500 Chat is going in on me, ha, ha.

02:31:52.340 I only cry around you, ha, ha.

02:31:54.640 My last one for the night, I think.

02:31:56.840 I need to nap so I can drive Boo Bella home. 1.00

02:32:00.280 Brian, first time in Santa Barbara.

02:32:02.760 It's gorgeous.

02:32:04.280 Love you, Boo Bella.

02:32:06.240 Love you.

02:32:07.080 You're welcome.

02:32:07.520 Yo, Matt, thank you for the TTS.

02:32:11.100 This is for Arab money here. 0.89

02:32:15.960 All right.

02:32:16.240 Hold on.

02:32:17.500 All right.

02:32:18.320 Let's see.

02:32:19.840 Wait, Jasmine, can you just come stand over here? 0.99

02:32:22.860 I need to chat.

02:32:23.880 I can't wait for that.

02:32:24.900 Hold on.

02:32:28.320 Hold on.

02:32:28.960 All right.

02:32:32.160 Hold on.

02:32:33.000 All right.

02:32:40.060 Who wants some champagne?

02:32:42.680 Can I legally drink this?

02:32:44.340 No. 1.00

02:32:47.300 Damn. 1.00

02:32:48.540 Yo, Arab money 52. 1.00

02:32:51.420 Thank you, man.

02:32:52.180 By the way, what's your actual name?

02:32:53.480 Here, I'm going to message you and ask you for your actual name.

02:32:56.780 I am still getting over my illness.

02:33:00.660 I don't know if you can hear my voice.

02:33:01.800 I sound scuffed.

02:33:05.040 Lauren?

02:33:05.920 I don't drink.

02:33:07.240 I'm not a big drinker either.

02:33:08.820 I would say that.

02:33:09.720 I don't drink.

02:33:11.240 Never had a drop.

02:33:12.720 Never?

02:33:13.300 Never even tried it.

02:33:14.300 Come on.

02:33:15.820 I've never had a drop.

02:33:16.940 Do you want?

02:33:17.720 Don't peer pressure her.

02:33:18.820 Not at all.

02:33:19.540 Yeah, wait a minute.

02:33:21.400 It doesn't taste good.

02:33:22.580 Yeah?

02:33:23.160 How old are they?

02:33:23.620 This is a notable.

02:33:27.780 Apple cider.

02:33:29.740 All right.

02:33:30.380 I'm going to have a little, okay? 1.00

02:33:33.060 And I'm a lightweight, so holy shit. 0.99

02:33:35.460 I almost... 0.99

02:33:36.080 A little.

02:33:37.920 Well, if anybody changes their minds, it is there.

02:33:41.780 All right.

02:33:42.140 This is to you, Arab money 52.

02:33:45.160 Did you message me what your name is?

02:33:46.980 He says, just say my name is Mitch Jones.

02:33:50.460 Okay.

02:33:51.580 To Mitch Jones.

02:33:53.580 Merci beaucoup for your very generous patronage.

02:33:56.960 By the way, he actually sent one, a $1,000 one over break.

02:34:02.160 Unfortunately, I wasn't able to trigger it.

02:34:04.220 I was kind of scuffed.

02:34:04.960 But Arab money 52.

02:34:08.220 Mitch Jones, I dedicate this.

02:34:13.260 Well, cheers with the older.

02:34:14.400 Hey, there you go.

02:34:16.620 Salud.

02:34:20.000 Oh, my God.

02:34:22.300 I never drink.

02:34:23.640 I never drink.

02:34:25.520 There's no one here drink.

02:34:26.860 That's...

02:34:27.180 I'm not a big drinker.

02:34:29.460 I go to UCSB.

02:34:31.860 I mean...

02:34:31.960 You should, you should.

02:34:35.440 Thank you, man.

02:34:36.140 Appreciate it.

02:34:36.840 Your patronage is very much appreciated.

02:34:40.200 I'm forgetting where we...

02:34:42.800 Was somebody...

02:34:43.600 Oh, about, like, men crying, things like that.

02:34:45.840 Oh, yeah.

02:34:46.120 Men crying.

02:34:47.740 Yeah, I don't know.

02:34:48.600 Okay, this idea that women are attracted to men who are vulnerable, I disagree with.

02:34:54.120 I don't think it's the case.

02:34:55.900 Because if that was the case, like, for example, a lot of women say they like men who are confident.

02:35:01.960 But wouldn't it be vulnerable to, like, step to a girl and kind of be a little awkward or a little shy or a little nervous?

02:35:08.520 That would be being vulnerable.

02:35:09.940 However, I think women are not attracted to that.

02:35:13.300 That's the thing.

02:35:13.940 I think being vulnerable is being confident sometimes.

02:35:16.000 The vulnerability is only attractive if it's contrasted with the confidence.

02:35:20.260 Because you don't want to...

02:35:22.180 No one wants...

02:35:23.540 I mean, it's just true in general.

02:35:26.380 Like, a very awkward, uncomfortable guy who doesn't make eye contact.

02:35:30.940 People don't want that.

02:35:32.120 But what they want is a strong...

02:35:34.320 I'm sorry.

02:35:35.260 It's the liquor.

02:35:37.340 What women actually want... 1.00

02:35:38.820 Keep going, Lauren.

02:35:39.400 Because they want someone who is very confident and, frankly, masculine to then show exclusively to her, in certain moments, vulnerability, therefore showing that he trusts her more than other people.

02:35:51.420 That's what's attractive.

02:35:52.540 It's not just blanket vulnerability.

02:35:54.080 I agree with that.

02:35:55.060 And you can have both.

02:35:56.160 It goes both ways.

02:35:58.640 It kind of sounds like vulnerability when it's convenient.

02:36:04.740 Yes.

02:36:05.180 That would be accurate.

02:36:06.220 Okay.

02:36:06.500 I would say that.

02:36:07.180 That's it.

02:36:07.740 Okay.

02:36:07.940 There you go.

02:36:09.060 There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

02:36:12.140 Okay.

02:36:12.340 Well, actually, if I think about just my personal, like, relationships with friends, two of the happiest relationships that I know, one is actually my friend who's a man who's dating a woman.

02:36:20.560 And one is a woman that's my friend who's dating a man.

02:36:24.020 And the man that's my friend is really, really, like, emotional and, I would say, vulnerable, like, with his woman and kind of just with people in general.

02:36:33.500 But he's also really confident.

02:36:35.240 And they have an extremely happy relationship.

02:36:38.120 And then my, one of my girlfriends who's with a man who's, or no, yeah, who's with a man who's extremely emotional.

02:36:44.820 They also have a really happy, like, amazing relationship.

02:36:49.260 And then I can think of two girlfriends who are dating men who are more closed off and don't really show that side.

02:36:55.740 And, like, she's pretty miserable with him.

02:36:58.180 So, go ahead.

02:36:59.480 Okay.

02:36:59.720 Here's a scenario.

02:37:00.580 I'm going to paint a scenario for all of you here at the table.

02:37:03.440 Let's say you've been dating a guy for a year.

02:37:06.100 And he's big into playing World of Warcraft.

02:37:10.940 Now, he's in one of the top rating guilds on his server.

02:37:14.980 He plays Alliance.

02:37:16.720 And he, his guild, it's Loot Council.

02:37:21.980 So, there's a lot of favoritism in the loot system.

02:37:24.080 And he was overlooked in a major loot decision.

02:37:30.020 So, Gressel, there are KT, Naxxramus.

02:37:34.080 Gressel drops.

02:37:35.420 Now, he thinks he's in line for Gressel, which is the BIS, best in slot, uh, sword for rogues and warriors.

02:37:44.280 Right.

02:37:44.480 Now, he thinks he's in line for Gressel, but someone new to the guild gets Gressel instead of him.

02:37:53.460 And he's so upset that he starts crying.

02:37:59.540 Starts crying over Gressel.

02:38:01.300 I mean, it's nice to see that he cares about something.

02:38:07.260 And if that's something he's interested in.

02:38:08.060 About World of Warcraft?

02:38:08.740 I mean, if that's something that he's passionate about, then that's something he's allowed to be passionate about.

02:38:13.120 That's not my choice.

02:38:15.020 Or he's totally within his rights to be, to cry over something he cares about.

02:38:20.800 I mean, my husband is a pretty dedicated EVE player.

02:38:23.620 So, I understand how, for some men, this isn't just, it's not just games.

02:38:27.840 It's a hobby and it's their social group.

02:38:29.540 So, I think it's perfect, like, if that really mattered to him, then I would be sad that it didn't work out for him.

02:38:34.620 Your husband plays EVE online.

02:38:37.400 Okay.

02:38:38.200 I'm not familiar with the, uh, I've heard of the game.

02:38:42.220 It's like a space MMO or something like that, I think.

02:38:45.700 Oh, it is, he would say it is so much more than that.

02:38:48.900 I heard it's pretty hardcore.

02:38:50.860 It is.

02:38:51.660 He has spreadsheets out and they have meetings about it.

02:38:54.920 And then, like, post-fleet meetings, it is intense.

02:38:59.540 Have you ever seen him get worked up about EVE online?

02:39:04.260 Yes.

02:39:04.880 I have heard rants about inner EVE drama as well.

02:39:08.540 And that's the thing.

02:39:08.940 Do you play?

02:39:09.620 No, no, but I care about it because he cares about it.

02:39:12.680 Wow.

02:39:13.400 That's a keeper right there.

02:39:15.300 Just like if there's something I care about, I want my partner to also back me up on that and support me with whatever I care about.

02:39:22.280 It goes both ways.

02:39:25.360 To an extent.

02:39:26.480 Okay, my argument didn't work very well.

02:39:29.860 All right.

02:39:31.020 All right.

02:39:31.840 There you have it, folks. 0.99

02:39:32.820 They don't mind if you freak the fuck out about shitty lute drama. 0.98

02:39:37.160 Okay. 0.99

02:39:37.780 Uh, let's see.

02:39:39.540 We have Jonathan D.

02:39:43.000 Madison, do the honors.

02:39:43.840 37-year-old, six figures, two kids, married 15 years.

02:39:48.760 I watch because my son found Tate.

02:39:51.040 Why do these shows complain about men doing everything? 0.66

02:39:54.080 Why would I want women drafted when they aren't as good militarily? 1.00

02:39:57.820 We are the men and life isn't fair.

02:39:59.980 Stop whining.

02:40:00.760 Well, there you have it, folks.

02:40:05.820 I don't think it's...

02:40:06.780 Equality.

02:40:07.320 That's why you would want it.

02:40:10.440 You know?

02:40:11.020 So you don't want a meritocracy now?

02:40:12.880 Well, I don't think it's whining to want progress or something better is what I would say.

02:40:19.700 Word?

02:40:20.960 I was just saying, like, do you want a meritocracy or do you want, like, do you want those that are best for the job?

02:40:26.820 Because you seem to be anti-affirmative action, which I don't necessarily disagree with you when it comes to things like gender for women getting in, like, in STEM jobs and stuff.

02:40:36.840 But even if they're not as well-equipped, that's what affirmative action is.

02:40:40.420 Do you think for the military that that would be something you'd be in favor of?

02:40:45.320 Would you be in favor of lowering the standards for at least physical standards so that women could get in more in those roles?

02:40:51.560 For equality?

02:40:52.460 I'm not in favor of lowering physical standards, and whether it's police, military, firefighters, I'm not in favor of that.

02:40:59.660 Okay, yeah, so do I.

02:41:00.340 So then you're not for equality there.

02:41:02.640 Well, it's not equality.

02:41:03.960 That's not equality.

02:41:05.180 Well, the whole point of, like, programs like Affirmative Action is to promote diversity and equality.

02:41:09.820 That's equity, though, not equality.

02:41:11.780 Okay, fair.

02:41:12.500 Equity.

02:41:12.680 Like, wouldn't equality just be there's the women have the opportunity, but it's the same standard across the board. 1.00

02:41:19.340 You both have to do fucking 100 push-ups or whatever it is.

02:41:22.960 So if women were required to sign up for the draft, but they just weren't picked because men were better suited, and so they want to take men first because they're better suited, would you have a problem with that? 0.98

02:41:33.200 Would I have a problem with that?

02:41:34.080 If they were, if they had a draft and everyone, we obviously all need to go to this war. 0.88

02:41:38.340 So they were trying to take some people first, and then they run out.

02:41:41.040 They're like, okay, we have enough people.

02:41:42.240 Would you be okay with more men being in and women because they— 0.51

02:41:45.240 Well, that's already a thing.

02:41:46.800 I mean, even in the volunteer forces, men are more likely to be, like, front-line combat soldiers.

02:41:51.580 So would you have an issue if the draft was opened up to men and women, but women weren't accepted because they would rather take men first because they're more suited for the military?

02:42:01.160 Would you have an issue with that?

02:42:02.020 I mean, there's certainly an argument to be made about physical capability.

02:42:05.820 So practically speaking, like, if the argument is that men are better combat soldiers, and they've done studies on this, the military's done studies on this, for example, men are far less likely to be injured in, like, high-impact running scenarios, especially with weight.

02:42:23.520 A woman's much more likely to get, like, an ACL tear. 1.00

02:42:25.800 I think they've done studies on, like, ACL tears in the military, and women are much more likely to—because of just the innate differences in our anatomy. 1.00

02:42:34.960 Yeah.

02:42:35.080 So if women were—had to register for the draft, but they just weren't being drafted for the reasons you just stated, would that be a problem for you? 0.99

02:42:46.360 Because they would need more men that—or people that are fit physically?

02:42:51.420 That's my question.

02:42:51.860 Yeah, and I think when it comes to defense, I think the person who's best suited for the job should do it.

02:42:59.460 So if it was men overwhelmingly, and women were—they had to register, but they were never drafted because they'd rather take men, were you?

02:43:06.500 Well, yeah, there's just certain—

02:43:07.660 Is it better for the country?

02:43:08.420 There's just certain biological, anatomical realities that men are likely to be better soldiers when it comes to combat.

02:43:16.400 Okay, yeah, I agree.

02:43:17.420 Just seeing if you agree.

02:43:18.320 Just for purely physical reasons.

02:43:19.980 Not to say that, like, a woman couldn't do it.

02:43:22.920 I agree.

02:43:23.440 But, generally speaking, men have, like, certain physical advantages.

02:43:28.360 Yeah, I'm saying if our military was 50% men and 50% women, I think it'd be a worse military than if it was a majority men. 0.99

02:43:34.480 And, you know, only a small percentage of what our military does is, like, physical combat jobs that require the physical fitness that males may have over females, biologically.

02:43:44.500 May have.

02:43:45.620 Have, you know, for that position is what I'm saying.

02:43:47.960 Sure.

02:43:48.700 So, you know, that does—that's—there's plenty of places for women to be in our military and to be useful in a draft situation. 1.00

02:43:56.120 That's—yeah, for sure.

02:43:56.880 Yeah, there's definitely all kinds of roles in the military that are not related to, like, direct, like, a combat front-line position.

02:44:06.740 So, yeah.

02:44:08.060 Oh, here we go.

02:44:09.400 Thanks, Doc.

02:44:09.860 Doc Bellabilly has donated $100.

02:44:12.660 Lauren has established herself as the smartest woman on the panel. 0.99

02:44:16.420 Sorry, Maddie.

02:44:16.940 Pink G's. 0.99

02:44:18.020 You try too hard and you come across as irritating.

02:44:21.180 Stop letting your mouth run ahead of your supratentorial synaptic activity.

02:44:25.480 See, what's your brain in case you missed it?

02:44:28.560 Super tentorial synaptic activity.

02:44:30.180 Yeah, I'm glad I—I'm sure you looked this up and found a way to write this comment, and I'm really proud of you.

02:44:35.360 And I just feel like if this audience was happy with me, I'd be doing something wrong, so.

02:44:41.240 Pased, okay.

02:44:41.940 This is exactly—

02:44:42.460 All right, we have, uh, let's see.

02:44:45.760 Oh, wait.

02:44:46.140 We did this one.

02:44:46.680 This one—did he send it twice?

02:44:49.240 Hold on.

02:44:49.640 No, this is a different one.

02:44:51.320 Oh.

02:44:51.720 Oh.

02:44:52.460 But I can't read that.

02:44:54.320 I cannot read that.

02:44:55.080 You can't?

02:44:55.660 It hurts my brain.

02:44:57.400 Come on, Maddie. 0.66

02:44:58.140 Give it a shot.

02:44:58.880 Here, give it a crack. 0.99

02:45:00.360 Oops.

02:45:00.640 Oh, let me—oh.

02:45:01.620 Okay, we'll get to that.

02:45:02.820 Lauren, within digital's esoteric tapestry, your pers—

02:45:09.160 Perspicacious.

02:45:10.620 Perspicacious exegesis—

02:45:14.620 You got it.

02:45:15.620 You got it.

02:45:16.580 Infold, navigating epistemic realms, your overtouches, eruditions, apogee, and—I can't do this.

02:45:31.300 You got it.

02:45:31.840 You're almost there.

02:45:32.380 Enigmatic beacon to avid cognoscenti.

02:45:40.080 Avid cognoscenti.

02:45:42.020 With deepest—

02:45:42.760 With deepest obsequiousness.

02:45:46.220 Well, thank you, I think.

02:45:48.560 And if you're not subscribed on YouTube, I hope you do, because you can hear me talk a lot more on there.

02:45:54.880 I'm still in school for a reason, guys.

02:45:57.220 Just saying.

02:45:58.900 All right, we have the cast man.

02:46:00.600 Go ahead, Maddie.

02:46:01.660 The draft is likely to happen now because of the recruitment crisis.

02:46:04.760 They just activated the inactive guard for the first time since right before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

02:46:11.620 Also, the CFR is writing articles questioning the possible need of a draft.

02:46:17.000 There you have it, folks.

02:46:18.360 We are going to war, and Jasmine's going to be on the front lines.

02:46:22.260 The resurgence of logic.

02:46:23.640 Thank you, Brian.

02:46:24.220 You seriously need more men because these 3FOs are so clueless about the male experience. 1.00

02:46:28.760 Say the word, and I will fly—let me trigger it again.

02:46:34.760 Oops.

02:46:36.660 Out to debate with these bad-faith actors, I would relish the chance to point out the flaws in their logic.

02:46:42.600 Hashtag mute jazz.

02:46:44.320 In real time, hashtag mute jazz.

02:46:46.280 Okay, there you have it.

02:46:47.120 I'm willing to—I'll even—you can debate me.

02:46:49.320 DM me on Instagram.

02:46:50.300 We'll do a live debate.

02:46:51.120 I'm not—

02:46:51.320 She'll do it off camera.

02:46:52.580 There you go.

02:46:53.260 I'm willing to do it here or off camera.

02:46:55.040 All right, we have KVMoga.

02:46:56.540 Thank you, Brian.

02:46:57.300 A lighter question.

02:46:59.200 Actually, Madison, can you read this?

02:47:00.940 Brian, a lighter question.

02:47:01.980 You are helping OF girls, intentionally or not, to sell more subscriptions on your platform.

02:47:06.800 If the guys who pay for these subscriptions are called simps, what should the podcast host to be called?

02:47:12.420 Maybe OFPIMPs?

02:47:15.760 Oh.

02:47:17.720 Oh, I'm a pimp?

02:47:20.040 I suppose that is one way in which you could—

02:47:24.220 I think you'd need to be getting a cut of their income for that to be—

02:47:27.060 All right, Jasmine.

02:47:28.240 Let's talk.

02:47:29.220 I mean, are you going to give me part of the, like, $1,500 people spent to talk about me?

02:47:33.560 No, no, no, no, no.

02:47:40.460 Nope.

02:47:43.420 Yeah.

02:47:44.840 I should—

02:47:45.780 People have suggested that I start asking for a cut from the girls, but— 0.77

02:47:51.480 Affiliate marketing?

02:47:52.100 I don't think—I don't think that would happen, but, eh.

02:48:00.580 Well, Jasmine, maybe you can—from your last appearance, how'd you do?

02:48:07.860 It was good.

02:48:08.800 Fresh and Fit was a lot better.

02:48:10.300 Oh, excuse me.

02:48:11.160 Like, with the subs.

02:48:12.160 I'm sorry.

02:48:13.680 With the subs, I think my episode—I talked more on there.

02:48:16.900 But, yeah, it's decent.

02:48:18.880 Yeah.

02:48:19.080 It's decent.

02:48:19.660 I did a poll the other day on where people found me, and I put podcasts and articles and everything together, and that was around, like, 13% of my income.

02:48:29.380 Doc Venabilli is donated $100.

02:48:32.500 Did not look it up.

02:48:33.640 Nick, can you boost the audio?

02:48:34.680 I have authoritative comprehension via erudition and derivative experiential analysis.

02:48:40.000 You, on the other hand, are parroting Destiny's talking points.

02:48:43.820 I'm smarter than you.

02:48:45.620 Cry, baby, cry.

02:48:46.740 That definitely sounds like a comment made by a person that has very amazing intellect.

02:48:54.060 He says he's smarter than you.

02:48:55.540 Yeah, exactly.

02:48:56.160 It must be—

02:48:56.620 It must be true.

02:48:57.520 It must be true.

02:48:59.260 And, again, I don't think these are—I don't think it's my talking points or his talking points.

02:49:02.940 These are just things, like, if you look up the stuff that you hear them say, it's sometimes false.

02:49:07.500 Like, a lot of—like, the college-educated stat you guys constantly conflate.

02:49:10.960 Or talking about how women fare off in divorce when women fare off far worse financially after divorce than men and are less likely to repartner.

02:49:18.620 Yes, that is—

02:49:19.560 Women fare worse? 1.00

02:49:20.880 Yeah, men fare off worse psychologically, but women are more likely—their standard of living— 0.99

02:49:24.800 Financially?

02:49:25.600 Yes, their standard of living goes down.

02:49:27.180 They're more likely to be in poverty.

02:49:28.440 Seek government assistance.

02:49:29.320 Please look this up.

02:49:30.600 Men are more likely to suffer alcohol, drug abuse, unalive themselves, get sick.

02:49:38.080 Like, all of those things.

02:49:39.300 So, psychologically, men fare off worse after divorce, but financially, women fare off worse.

02:49:44.000 Please look this up.

02:49:44.320 Well, that's just wrong on its face.

02:49:45.960 Why is it wrong on its face?

02:49:47.140 It's just wrong on its face because when it comes to faring worse, men overwhelmingly pay child support and alimony.

02:49:55.300 Yes, but the woman's standard of living still goes down after divorce, and the man's is less likely to. 1.00

02:50:00.160 That's why I'm saying look it up.

02:50:02.020 Yeah, but that's not clear to me if that's them faring worse financially.

02:50:06.020 They're more likely for their standard of living to decrease after divorce. 0.99

02:50:09.460 They're more likely to seek government assistance, more likely to be in poverty.

02:50:12.940 Like, child support, you mentioned it.

02:50:14.000 I think only, like, 20-something percent.

02:50:15.740 Like, it's not like everyone who's ordered to pay child support does.

02:50:17.920 In fact, the majority don't.

02:50:19.780 The majority don't pay child support.

02:50:22.700 I think...

02:50:23.180 I'd have to look that up.

02:50:24.000 Look that up.

02:50:24.500 I'm not going to, yeah.

02:50:25.480 But you can also look up the divorce stuff I'm talking about.

02:50:27.780 That is...

02:50:28.340 Well, speaking of child support, I mean, it's one of the ways in which we still have debtors' prisons, which doesn't exist for other kinds of debts.

02:50:35.680 What do you mean?

02:50:36.540 Well, men, almost men exclusively.

02:50:38.980 If you don't pay child support, you're likely to be thrown in jail.

02:50:42.740 Well, they're going to garnish wages before they do that. 1.00

02:50:46.400 Also, child support payments from women to men are going up.

02:50:50.280 It's not gendered.

02:50:51.940 Okay, they're going up, but, I mean, it's still insignificant.

02:50:56.080 Again, the rules, the laws are gender neutral. 0.90

02:50:59.700 Lauren, you wanted to come in on something?

02:51:01.580 Not that I remember, but I have opinions about child support.

02:51:06.160 How would you all feel about child support being determined based off, like, mandatory paternity testing, as well as actually having to...

02:51:14.160 I know I've heard a lot of men complain about their child support not actually going to the child.

02:51:18.480 Like, needing, I guess, better documentation, more transparency in terms of the child support payments.

02:51:23.400 I'm fine with that.

02:51:25.920 Valid.

02:51:26.600 Sounds good to me.

02:51:27.280 Yeah, I think it makes total sense.

02:51:29.060 Yeah.

02:51:31.140 I think that in the same way, like, with SNAP benefits, food benefits...

02:51:38.260 You okay?

02:51:39.140 I'm going to get one.

02:51:40.260 Okay.

02:51:43.020 There should be a limitation on what you can spend with child support.

02:51:51.540 Like, if you have SNAP benefits, you have food benefits, you can only buy food with that card.

02:51:57.940 So, I think you should only be able to...

02:52:00.540 You can't go get your nails done...

02:52:02.640 It needs to be for the child.

02:52:03.720 It needs to be dedicated for the child on a credit card, a card issued by the court or something.

02:52:10.860 I mean, I think also the point of child support is because, like, the person who's paying the child support isn't, like, watching the child all the time.

02:52:19.040 Like, they're seeing them, what, maybe one or twice a week at the most a lot of times.

02:52:24.880 So, I think...

02:52:25.860 And sometimes they just don't see them at all, like someone who's very close to me.

02:52:31.220 So, I don't really think...

02:52:32.840 I mean, I think it all kind of evens out.

02:52:34.860 I mean, I do hear the argument and I don't even necessarily disagree with it.

02:52:38.280 But I just think if you're primarily watching and taking care of the child and you spent $1,000 on them that month,

02:52:46.440 but then their $200 child support card, you, like, got gas with it or something that wasn't necessarily directly correlated to the child,

02:52:54.700 it's still, like, you spent the $1,000.

02:52:57.000 So, I don't really...

02:52:57.700 I think it kind of, like, evens out.

02:52:59.080 But, I mean, I also don't disagree with it, I guess.

02:53:00.400 So, can you do things like gas?

02:53:01.760 Ask, like, how exactly...

02:53:02.920 I mean, I think if it's indirect, like, obviously, if you have care of the kids,

02:53:07.660 you're going to be driving around and things like that.

02:53:09.700 And I think something like a card or even a joint bank account where you can both monitor purchases,

02:53:14.700 I think would do a lot to bring more transparency to something where...

02:53:18.000 It would just be really hard practice.

02:53:19.280 Like, let's say you spend $100 at Target.

02:53:21.120 All the statement shows is that you spent $100 at Target.

02:53:24.280 Are we supposed to, like...

02:53:24.700 I mean, when we itemize for business expenses, we have to keep our receipts.

02:53:28.820 I don't think it's unreasonable for, like, if you're using that money for something, to just keep a receipt.

02:53:33.620 I think as long as we can take that burden off of the single mom who already has a billion other things to worry about, 0.99

02:53:38.700 then to also have to add this additional hurdle.

02:53:40.940 I think if we can eliminate that, then I'm for it.

02:53:43.560 Because it's really hard to keep...

02:53:46.740 I mean, yeah, I run a business.

02:53:47.960 You may run a business.

02:53:48.540 It's not easy.

02:53:49.700 And, I mean, you and I probably make enough that we can delegate it onto our CP.

02:53:53.120 Like, single moms, a lot of them aren't in that position financially to be able to do that. 1.00

02:53:57.300 So I just want to make sure that whatever policy you're trying to advocate for won't have a huge burden on those.

02:54:04.200 Yeah.

02:54:06.100 Yeah.

02:54:06.520 I mean, I don't really know what the minutia of that would look like,

02:54:09.600 but I do remember what I was going to say regarding you guys talking about whether women fare better or worse in divorce.

02:54:14.540 I think there's a difference between saying women tend to fare better financially in the divorce terms than men,

02:54:21.120 while also recognizing that after the fact, a woman is more likely to do worse financially compared to when she was in the marriage,

02:54:27.880 which I think is what you two are disagreeing about, what you're actually talking about.

02:54:31.280 Yeah.

02:54:31.800 So this idea that women are just getting divorced because they want all this money, 1.00

02:54:35.260 when they tend to actually do...

02:54:36.780 And that's one of the reasons I think college-educated women and people with more resources are more likely to initiate, 1.00

02:54:41.460 because I think for a lot of women who don't have their own resources, 1.00

02:54:44.500 one of the reasons maybe they don't get divorced is because they know that their standard of living will inevitably decrease.

02:54:50.600 I mean, but if the man's the breadwinner and she wants a divorce, 1.00

02:54:56.480 wouldn't it stand to reason that you no longer get access to the benefits of that partnership?

02:55:02.660 It depends.

02:55:03.860 Like, if she gave up a career and everything and they have this system where it's like,

02:55:09.300 I will be the breadwinner and you've given up your career to raise the kids,

02:55:12.560 I think this is why these rules were implemented in the first place.

02:55:15.600 It's like, okay, because you did that, we don't want...

02:55:19.140 Do you want to leave women like that high and dry? 1.00

02:55:21.080 A woman who's stayed home, raised the kids, raised three, four kids, 1.00

02:55:24.180 and then the guy runs off with his... has an affair and runs off, she should be left with nothing? 0.98

02:55:29.640 Well, I think that's why we used to not have, like, no-fault divorce,

02:55:32.840 is because those kind of situations, it doesn't matter how the marriage ends. 0.96

02:55:36.660 Obviously, if a woman is married to someone, she invests, you know, her youth, her livelihood, 0.99

02:55:41.320 taking care of the kids to take care of him, and then he, you know, does her dirty, basically.

02:55:45.120 It's very different than if a woman is just, for example, a trophy wife, doesn't work, doesn't have kids, 1.00

02:55:51.280 and then she wants to divorce him, so, like, I'm for having...

02:55:54.180 Do you think the majority of divorces are these trophy wife situations,

02:55:56.840 or do you think divorce is super hard for both sexes, no matter the circumstances, 0.84

02:56:00.860 and people aren't just doing it willy-nilly to get a paycheck,

02:56:03.480 especially when we're seeing, at least statistically,

02:56:05.460 it doesn't seem like women are getting this paycheck, 1.00

02:56:07.620 unless you're using, you know, Melinda Gates as an example.

02:56:10.300 It's not the reality for most women, and I don't think women... 1.00

02:56:13.500 I don't think people should be forced to stay in a divorce

02:56:16.240 unless the government has, like, okay, you were cheated on, and you have to prove it.

02:56:19.620 Like, that's just going to open up a...

02:56:20.960 Well, we're not just talking about staying in marriage.

02:56:22.560 We're talking about whether he might actually have to pay to support her.

02:56:25.520 So, obviously, it's like...

02:56:26.720 So, you're saying he should only have to pay to support her if there's a reason.

02:56:29.100 If there's two people and she's home taking care of the kids, he's off.

02:56:32.160 Let's say he didn't cheat, but let's say they're just like,

02:56:33.940 hey, this isn't working.

02:56:34.800 I'm really unhappy.

02:56:36.100 You're really unhappy.

02:56:37.000 We're arguing.

02:56:38.000 Let's get a divorce. 1.00

02:56:39.520 She shouldn't... 0.96

02:56:40.580 Even though she gave up all those years raising the kids,

02:56:43.360 she shouldn't get anything out of that?

02:56:45.000 I guess it depends on who files.

02:56:47.040 Who files for divorce.

02:56:48.500 Yeah, absolutely.

02:56:49.020 I think alimony as a concept has been really overused,

02:56:53.180 and I think that's a lot of the reason why young men especially are hesitant to get married

02:56:58.540 is because there's, for a lot of men, they don't see any benefit from it.

02:57:02.600 You're just putting yourself at a disadvantage.

02:57:04.620 If someday she could say, you know what?

02:57:06.040 I'm not really feeling this anymore.

02:57:08.060 I'm going to divorce you,

02:57:09.400 but you're still going to be responsible for paying for me for the rest of your life.

02:57:12.480 Like I said, I'm pro-prenump, and alimony is not gendered.

02:57:17.100 It's literally a formula in most states.

02:57:19.620 And so in a situation, I do think like, yeah, if a man wants to get married,

02:57:23.360 you should think about this.

02:57:24.480 You should think about this possibility.

02:57:25.780 But I don't think that it's fair that a woman who has given up so much 1.00

02:57:29.160 in order to be a homemaker shouldn't have any, like shouldn't have anything.

02:57:35.540 She should just be left on the street like afterwards if she's unhappy in that marriage. 1.00

02:57:40.360 Well, there's a difference between saying, hey, let's look at what our assets are currently

02:57:43.660 and what we've invested in together versus, and kind of split that however it may be,

02:57:48.860 versus going forward, let's have continued payments.

02:57:51.860 So there's a difference there.

02:57:53.360 There's a difference between saying, hey, we built this together,

02:57:55.780 even though I was at home, so let's do some sort of split versus I should be entitled

02:58:00.400 even going forward to some of what you earned.

02:58:02.260 So you think whatever assets they have in the marriage at the time should be split,

02:58:05.680 but it shouldn't be future payments.

02:58:07.300 So you're just against alimony.

02:58:08.880 You're not against asset division.

02:58:10.980 Depending on the circumstance.

02:58:13.140 Okay.

02:58:13.520 I think that it, again, depends on the circumstance.

02:58:16.280 And I do think courts generally do.

02:58:17.780 That's why alimony payments have gone down in general.

02:58:20.140 But I do think that courts do look at, okay, what was the dynamic of this?

02:58:24.400 And they do come to an equitable decision usually.

02:58:27.840 The courts come to equitable decisions when it comes to child support and alimony?

02:58:31.600 Yeah, so this is another thing you guys constantly...

02:58:34.620 No, that's not true at all.

02:58:36.260 Yes, what do you mean?

02:58:36.920 Men constantly get in situations where they're in terrible situations

02:58:41.320 when it comes to alimony and child support.

02:58:43.480 So just because they're more likely to make more money,

02:58:46.380 but if it's a situation, like I said, it would be a constitutional nightmare

02:58:50.400 if there was actually judges or courts that were...

02:58:53.620 Or there were laws on the books that separated men and women. 0.85

02:58:55.820 It's a formula.

02:58:56.560 You go to most divorce courts.

02:58:57.760 It's a formula.

02:58:58.440 Okay, who makes this?

02:58:59.220 Blah, blah, blah.

02:58:59.660 We put it in.

02:59:00.400 Okay, this is how we...

02:59:01.340 If it's a community property state, I mean, it just...

02:59:03.480 There's a whole lot that goes into this.

02:59:05.440 None of that's really gendered.

02:59:06.420 And this is something you guys...

02:59:07.560 I think a lot of people in this space also mess up on.

02:59:10.780 Is they're like, oh, the courts have a bias towards women. 1.00

02:59:12.880 They're usually given custody.

02:59:13.960 That's just not true.

02:59:14.640 Over 80% of custody agreements are decided by the parents outside of court.

02:59:19.540 There's a huge bias in the courts.

02:59:22.240 No, this is what I'm trying to explain to you.

02:59:24.720 So when we look at child...

02:59:26.040 So can I finish this though?

02:59:27.460 Go ahead.

02:59:27.740 So another 11% is decided in mediation where the parents decide.

02:59:31.920 Then another like whatever percent is decided after a custody evaluation by the parents.

02:59:36.500 Only 4% actually go to a judge.

02:59:38.840 And actually the farther up you go up this conflict pyramid,

02:59:42.180 the more likely it is that the father actually does get custody.

02:59:45.380 And another thing is courts don't like to give people things they don't ask for.

02:59:49.080 When a woman wants primary custody, she's 80% likely to file the appropriate paperwork. 1.00

02:59:53.360 Fathers are 40%. 0.99

02:59:54.260 That's double.

02:59:54.920 So that's another reason you see that discrepancy.

02:59:57.140 But the reason that people are like 80% of custodial parents are mothers,

03:00:00.600 that's because that's what the couple is agreeing to.

03:00:03.000 It's not because the court is making that determination.

03:00:06.160 Well, under threat of lawsuit...

03:00:08.820 What do you mean?

03:00:09.180 You can come to a settlement agreement, like two couples, for example,

03:00:13.680 when it comes to a custody dispute, when it comes to alimony, etc.

03:00:20.140 Certainly you can come to a settlement,

03:00:21.960 but that doesn't mean that both parties are satisfied with said settlement.

03:00:26.060 Well, I would tell a guy who wasn't satisfied because a lot of times,

03:00:29.440 like I said, 80% of the time the judge is just signing off.

03:00:32.100 This hasn't gone to court.

03:00:33.180 The parents are agreeing, hey, you should keep the child.

03:00:36.080 And a lot of times that's because the mom is generally... 1.00

03:00:38.680 Right, because the financial ramifications of it actually proceeding into,

03:00:42.440 like in front of a judge and you're having to make arguments in front of a judge,

03:00:47.020 it's catastrophic.

03:00:49.540 Also because if the man's the breadwinner,

03:00:52.980 not only is he obliged to pay for his own legal, his own counsel,

03:00:59.420 he has to pay for it for his wife.

03:01:01.160 So there's a double impact there if they drag on...

03:01:05.020 Or do you think it's more likely the case because it's generally true

03:01:07.580 that even in a two-parent household, the mother is the default parent.

03:01:12.280 The mother is the one that generally is the one taking the kids to soccer practice.

03:01:16.280 It would disrupt the routine usually for the man to become all of a sudden the primary caregiver.

03:01:22.060 But again, men who do fight for custody do end up getting it.

03:01:25.500 They need to fight for it, though, whereas the...

03:01:29.080 Whereas the mother, the father, they're usually agreeing

03:01:32.120 because it makes most sense for the family.

03:01:34.720 So you can't...

03:01:35.440 If men want it, they should fight for it, 1.00

03:01:37.220 and they do get it when they fight for it.

03:01:42.080 I suppose.

03:01:43.860 Okay.

03:01:44.600 I suppose.

03:01:45.220 But the issue is that you have these really just catastrophic awards

03:01:52.100 for child support and alimony,

03:01:55.580 which are not even approaching proportional to what is...

03:01:59.280 I think when it comes to alimony and child support,

03:02:02.780 it should basically...

03:02:03.800 There should be...

03:02:04.440 It shouldn't matter what your income is.

03:02:06.560 It should basically just be some state guideline.

03:02:10.100 Hey, if you want to get a divorce, 0.93

03:02:11.920 this is the maximum you're eligible for.

03:02:13.920 So you think there's like a cap?

03:02:15.020 I don't disagree with that.

03:02:15.940 I don't think people should be getting millions of dollars in alimony.

03:02:18.140 We saw Kevin Costner, who actually here in his divorce proceedings,

03:02:22.860 our studio is in Santa Barbara County.

03:02:26.120 Santa Barbara County is overlooking Kevin Costner's divorce,

03:02:30.180 and the wife wanted $250,000 a month in... 1.00

03:02:37.820 I don't know if it was child support,

03:02:39.140 spousal support, like alimony, some combination.

03:02:41.280 They ultimately ended up awarding,

03:02:47.400 I believe it was $120,000 a month in support to the wife.

03:02:53.180 Yeah, so if you look at these... 0.98

03:02:54.780 That's ridiculous. 0.90

03:02:55.500 I agree with you, but that's not the norm. 0.95

03:02:57.660 That is a very unique...

03:02:59.120 Like these bill...

03:02:59.880 That's why I don't use the example,

03:03:01.120 well, Kelly Clarkson is paying her husband,

03:03:02.840 because these are just...

03:03:03.720 These are exceptions.

03:03:04.220 Yeah, but on a lower level,

03:03:06.480 men are also getting fleeced in the same sort of way.

03:03:09.060 I don't think that...

03:03:10.780 At least the data doesn't indicate

03:03:11.820 that men are being fleeced in this way.

03:03:13.660 I do believe that there should be a cap.

03:03:15.460 I don't think that people should be getting

03:03:16.900 hundreds of thousands of dollars in alimony or child support,

03:03:19.060 because that's...

03:03:19.820 I agree with you there,

03:03:20.600 but that doesn't mean I believe

03:03:21.640 that it shouldn't be a thing in general,

03:03:22.840 especially child support.

03:03:23.940 You guys don't think people should pay child support?

03:03:25.680 Like, do you think?

03:03:26.780 I mean...

03:03:27.180 I believe in child support,

03:03:29.260 because, I mean, it's not the child's...

03:03:31.120 The child shouldn't be penalized

03:03:32.440 for whatever their parents are going through.

03:03:34.720 What I would just want to ensure

03:03:37.120 is that it's being used transparently,

03:03:38.460 like you said,

03:03:38.920 that there's a cap

03:03:39.640 that is not being used

03:03:40.640 as some sort of way

03:03:41.240 to subsidize a mother's lifestyle, 1.00

03:03:42.560 which is, like, a whole different thing

03:03:43.740 that shouldn't conflate with the child support, so...

03:03:46.300 Yeah, I agree with that.

03:03:47.240 Well, let's move on from this topic.

03:03:49.000 I need to get through some chats.

03:03:50.100 We have Triple F here.

03:03:50.980 Hey, thank you.

03:03:52.020 Jazz, go ahead.

03:03:53.040 Jazz, you smoke more on FNF.

03:03:54.780 Impossible.

03:03:55.280 Note that 65% of college-educated men

03:03:57.920 first marriages last 20-plus years.

03:04:00.580 A better discussion would be analyzing by race.

03:04:03.120 Listening to you, Drone,

03:04:04.060 makes me appreciate my wife more,

03:04:05.560 so thank you,

03:04:06.120 U.S. military number three by size.

03:04:07.980 I'm glad I made you appreciate your wife more.

03:04:10.240 Yeah, college-educated people,

03:04:11.500 both men and women,

03:04:12.360 do better with marriage.

03:04:14.660 All right, we have Real Life Outdoors.

03:04:16.700 Thank you.

03:04:17.480 Go ahead, Madison.

03:04:19.260 It's funny how you invite a whole panel,

03:04:21.040 yet two hours in,

03:04:21.960 and only Milton keeps talking.

03:04:23.780 She speaks of her culture in Iran,

03:04:26.080 but she knows shed never spout this over there.

03:04:30.880 Why not fight for women's rights in Iran? 1.00

03:04:33.680 All chests, no legs to stand on morally.

03:04:35.660 If you're going to complain about me talking so much,

03:04:37.640 don't pay to talk to me.

03:04:39.340 I'm supposed to respond to all of you.

03:04:40.840 That is a fair point.

03:04:42.460 Don't address her if you want her to be quiet.

03:04:44.280 Yeah, you want me to.

03:04:45.420 And yeah, of course I can't talk about this over there,

03:04:47.220 and that's really sad.

03:04:48.100 I do do what I can to fight for women's rights in Iran, too.

03:04:51.700 There you have it, folks.

03:04:52.760 She is a feminist through and through, 1.00

03:04:55.680 fighting for the rights of Iranian women.

03:04:58.840 Yes.

03:04:59.960 With a fervorous, passionate...

03:05:03.760 Okay, KV, Moga, Brian,

03:05:05.780 yes, you should get a cut from OF

03:05:07.020 and donate to a mental health charity.

03:05:12.020 What do you think?

03:05:12.880 Like 20% of your next month's earnings?

03:05:16.340 What do you think?

03:05:16.960 Brian Klassen donated $99.

03:05:19.220 Thank you, ma'am.

03:05:19.780 I agree with child support, 0.85

03:05:21.560 but I think the parents should be required 0.77

03:05:23.500 to go to the child's house, 1.00

03:05:24.980 not the child bouncing around sucks to suck 0.99

03:05:27.500 when you can't work on your marriage. 0.99

03:05:29.420 You fan move every other week.

03:05:31.820 But that would require three different households. 0.70

03:05:34.400 If there was like a primary household,

03:05:36.920 and then each parent had their own...

03:05:38.760 And if you're concerned about money,

03:05:40.040 that's just a whole other house?

03:05:41.740 Maybe he means like there are two houses,

03:05:43.900 but the kid always stays in one house,

03:05:45.600 and then the parents swap out.

03:05:47.240 You're not going to have...

03:05:48.260 It's not going to be stable either way.

03:05:50.120 You're not winning that.

03:05:51.100 Of course not.

03:05:51.720 Yeah.

03:05:52.600 That's a tough situation.

03:05:54.100 All right, we have Conan 19.

03:05:55.280 Thank you, ma'am.

03:05:56.000 Go ahead, Maddie.

03:05:57.400 I asked about how they would feel

03:05:58.700 about a man crying earlier.

03:05:59.980 The verdict is that

03:06:00.900 women want a man to be confident. 0.67

03:06:02.740 In today's society,

03:06:03.720 I don't know if women realize, 1.00

03:06:04.980 but it's terrifying for a man

03:06:06.260 to confidently approach a woman 0.99

03:06:07.800 with the fear of being hashtag me too'd.

03:06:11.740 Word?

03:06:12.940 Word?

03:06:13.960 What do you mean by approach?

03:06:15.680 I mean...

03:06:18.060 Well, men are scared of like 1.00

03:06:20.500 if they were to approach a woman 0.89

03:06:23.500 that she would, you know...

03:06:27.060 I don't...

03:06:28.160 I'm concerned that he can't figure out

03:06:29.960 how to approach a woman 1.00

03:06:31.740 without bordering on sexual harassment or assault.

03:06:35.040 If he's talking about me too.

03:06:36.440 Yeah.

03:06:37.120 Right?

03:06:37.540 I feel that like there are men

03:06:39.460 and it may not even be their fault

03:06:41.060 who just can't approach a woman 1.00

03:06:43.060 without it being creepy

03:06:44.380 and it's not all about not being a chad.

03:06:47.220 And I think some men

03:06:48.320 just can't do it charismatically

03:06:50.560 and that can come off as creepy

03:06:52.400 whereas other...

03:06:53.020 So I give him that.

03:06:54.820 He's probably one of those.

03:06:56.120 Well, yeah.

03:06:56.460 I think he's probably...

03:06:57.780 There's...

03:06:58.380 I think a bigger fear of like

03:07:00.300 if you approach a woman 0.99

03:07:01.180 it's not like, oh...

03:07:02.780 While it may very much be a valid fear

03:07:05.200 of like a false accusation,

03:07:06.480 I think the bigger concern

03:07:07.800 for a lot of men

03:07:08.920 is just being perceived as creepy.

03:07:11.260 Mm-hmm.

03:07:11.460 They don't do anything...

03:07:13.360 You know, they're not like

03:07:14.160 abusing her in some way

03:07:16.320 but they approach

03:07:17.540 and perhaps they don't quite know

03:07:19.040 how to navigate that

03:07:20.720 in a smooth way

03:07:21.900 and then they're concerned

03:07:23.880 about being perceived as creepy.

03:07:26.600 Or even if they do approach

03:07:27.900 in a smooth manner,

03:07:29.140 often the difference between

03:07:31.660 like the exact same behavior

03:07:34.000 is going to be viewed

03:07:35.400 in two totally separate ways

03:07:37.000 whether the woman's attracted

03:07:38.280 to you or not.

03:07:39.020 Yes.

03:07:39.380 Like the same behavior

03:07:40.340 that would get one guy 0.92

03:07:42.120 labeled as a creep

03:07:42.960 would be welcomed

03:07:44.420 from a guy

03:07:45.260 that a woman finds

03:07:46.300 physically attractive.

03:07:47.500 That's true

03:07:48.100 but I think there are some behaviors

03:07:49.700 that fall into that category

03:07:50.900 but there are also behaviors

03:07:52.380 like I think like anybody

03:07:54.480 whether you're attractive or not

03:07:55.920 like catcalling obviously

03:07:57.340 isn't a way to approach a woman. 0.99

03:07:58.960 Right.

03:07:58.980 So I think there are some behaviors

03:08:00.220 where that's true

03:08:00.940 but there are some

03:08:01.600 that are obvious no's

03:08:02.780 and there are others

03:08:03.800 like just someone saying,

03:08:04.800 hey I hope you have a good day

03:08:05.860 that most women 1.00

03:08:06.760 aren't going to be like 0.98

03:08:07.360 oh I hate rapists 0.57

03:08:09.220 like that's not a thing. 0.99

03:08:10.620 Well and plus too

03:08:11.440 you can also pick up

03:08:12.480 on social cues

03:08:13.340 like you can tell

03:08:14.200 within like three minutes

03:08:15.340 of talking to a chick 0.99

03:08:16.100 if she's interested or not

03:08:17.180 and so if she's

03:08:18.120 clearly not interested

03:08:19.600 and be like

03:08:20.000 you know what

03:08:20.400 sorry I'm going to go

03:08:21.840 and then that's how

03:08:23.180 you don't be creepy.

03:08:24.340 Do you think there's a portion

03:08:25.160 of men that can't pick up those?

03:08:26.540 Yes.

03:08:27.060 Probably.

03:08:28.560 A shocking amount.

03:08:30.600 Probably.

03:08:32.140 Yeah I mean

03:08:32.600 then there's definitely

03:08:33.660 men who are

03:08:34.820 who perhaps wrongly

03:08:40.440 believe that

03:08:41.560 you ought to be

03:08:44.060 persistent

03:08:44.720 but men are in this 0.57

03:08:48.580 sort of damned if you do 0.60

03:08:49.540 damned if you don't 0.96

03:08:50.600 position 0.99

03:08:50.920 because there's a lot of

03:08:52.100 you hear these stories

03:08:54.660 of like

03:08:55.220 oh you know

03:08:56.160 I rejected him

03:08:58.060 three times

03:08:58.940 and then

03:08:59.440 now we're married.

03:09:02.200 My personal view is

03:09:03.500 if you get rejected once

03:09:05.520 eh just move on.

03:09:08.660 Don't push it.

03:09:09.960 Not a bad rule.

03:09:11.200 Yeah.

03:09:11.580 It just

03:09:12.000 takes

03:09:13.160 you know

03:09:14.580 eh.

03:09:16.720 I think what's hard

03:09:17.620 for a lot of guys

03:09:18.340 is that we don't really

03:09:19.260 have a courting

03:09:20.100 culture anymore

03:09:21.220 and so even

03:09:22.180 from woman to woman 0.96

03:09:23.160 it's going to differ

03:09:24.200 what she thinks

03:09:25.280 is creepy

03:09:25.860 versus acceptable

03:09:26.860 versus cute

03:09:27.520 versus confident

03:09:28.280 so it's

03:09:29.740 it's hard being

03:09:30.680 on the receiving end

03:09:31.520 as a woman

03:09:32.120 because then you end up

03:09:33.060 going through things

03:09:33.760 that you find are creepy

03:09:34.600 and uncomfortable

03:09:35.140 and maybe even make you

03:09:36.120 feel unsafe

03:09:36.780 and it's also hard

03:09:38.000 on the man's end

03:09:38.900 because you don't want

03:09:40.060 to be perceived

03:09:40.600 as a creep

03:09:41.100 and you don't know

03:09:41.800 maybe how to

03:09:42.540 I guess in a way

03:09:43.620 that makes her feel

03:09:44.220 comfortable

03:09:44.620 let her know 0.93

03:09:45.600 you're interested in

03:09:46.300 so it's just

03:09:46.880 it's kind of

03:09:47.360 I don't envy single people

03:09:48.440 is what I'm trying to say

03:09:49.140 it's hard.

03:09:50.060 It's hard out there.

03:09:52.280 Those of you today

03:09:53.240 don't agree on anything

03:09:54.320 I agree on.

03:09:54.780 We have a question

03:09:58.040 here from Stifler

03:09:58.660 ask everyone

03:09:59.220 to rate their looks

03:10:00.300 on a scale

03:10:01.740 of 1 to 10

03:10:02.660 go ahead Jasmine

03:10:03.440 so we got into

03:10:04.280 this last time

03:10:05.160 I think this

03:10:06.000 I have a strike

03:10:06.980 I have an issue

03:10:07.600 with the 1 to 10

03:10:08.620 measuring scale

03:10:09.620 so we could get

03:10:10.240 into that again

03:10:10.900 I think it's

03:10:11.780 juvenile

03:10:12.160 I said last time

03:10:13.040 it's fickle

03:10:13.580 it's whimsical

03:10:14.040 it's just not a way

03:10:15.120 that I ever rate

03:10:16.060 anybody else

03:10:16.620 so why would I rate

03:10:17.220 myself that way?

03:10:18.740 Shania what about you?

03:10:19.680 a 6

03:10:20.640 I think like

03:10:23.160 a 5.5

03:10:24.240 I've had a lot

03:10:24.880 of facial trauma

03:10:25.680 and I think

03:10:26.140 that's really

03:10:26.540 brought my confidence

03:10:27.260 down

03:10:28.200 that's just

03:10:31.960 heartbreaking

03:10:32.620 you're like

03:10:33.520 so cute

03:10:34.400 I'm just saying

03:10:35.640 10 again

03:10:36.200 I was gonna say

03:10:38.740 6 but now

03:10:39.380 the literal model

03:10:40.260 has said 6

03:10:41.020 so I feel like

03:10:41.640 I gotta knock it

03:10:42.340 down like

03:10:43.160 5.5

03:10:43.880 8

03:10:46.140 8

03:10:46.880 confidence

03:10:48.620 alright

03:10:50.180 there you have it

03:10:50.780 I give myself

03:10:51.440 a 6

03:10:53.040 6.9

03:10:55.520 on a good day

03:10:57.420 I guess

03:10:57.880 I don't know

03:10:58.380 thank you Stiffler

03:10:59.140 for the question

03:11:00.440 I do need to wrap up

03:11:02.040 here pretty soon

03:11:02.740 but maybe we can

03:11:03.480 I don't know

03:11:04.540 how much I wanna

03:11:05.060 what was

03:11:07.700 the primary thing

03:11:08.680 that you object to

03:11:09.900 when it comes to

03:11:10.460 this rating thing?

03:11:12.620 I just don't

03:11:13.700 I don't rate people

03:11:14.640 that way

03:11:14.980 so like for instance

03:11:15.660 why not rate people

03:11:16.480 between 1 and 50

03:11:17.640 right?

03:11:18.040 you could get

03:11:18.460 more precise

03:11:18.980 but it's just 0.96

03:11:19.500 dumb to get 0.97

03:11:20.200 to that level 1.00

03:11:20.880 of precision

03:11:21.440 so for me

03:11:22.020 the 1 to 10

03:11:22.880 is too much

03:11:23.520 why not?

03:11:25.680 like why wouldn't

03:11:26.120 you rate someone

03:11:26.560 between 1 and 1,000

03:11:27.540 or 1,500

03:11:28.040 because it's too

03:11:29.020 so I don't walk

03:11:30.480 around and go

03:11:31.260 is that an 8

03:11:32.240 or is that a 9?

03:11:33.060 it literally reminds me

03:11:33.880 of like MySpace days

03:11:34.960 I just might say

03:11:35.620 how old I am

03:11:36.100 28

03:11:36.440 that we used to do

03:11:37.500 this on MySpace

03:11:38.180 in middle school

03:11:38.940 since then

03:11:39.800 I've never heard

03:11:40.420 anybody talk about

03:11:41.300 people this way

03:11:42.100 like he's an 8

03:11:43.500 or he's a 9

03:11:44.040 I just go

03:11:44.640 oh that person's

03:11:45.560 attractive

03:11:46.240 I see how that

03:11:47.200 person's conventionally

03:11:48.020 attractive

03:11:48.420 well I think in like

03:11:49.860 a common conversation

03:11:51.400 it's not something

03:11:52.100 that would come up

03:11:52.800 but like you can

03:11:54.740 have a sense

03:11:55.900 of where someone

03:11:56.480 falls when it

03:11:57.200 comes to their

03:11:57.820 attractiveness

03:11:58.740 sure but I don't

03:11:59.800 think that's usually

03:12:00.840 on this 1 to 10

03:12:02.120 scale

03:12:02.520 that's the issue

03:12:03.300 so I may

03:12:03.860 and that's where

03:12:04.500 people have differences

03:12:05.200 like I think

03:12:05.720 me and some of the

03:12:06.620 women I could be like 0.99

03:12:07.220 oh I think he's

03:12:07.840 more attractive than

03:12:08.380 that guy

03:12:08.620 and they might say

03:12:09.020 oh no I like

03:12:09.560 skaters

03:12:09.880 he's my type

03:12:10.520 you know there's

03:12:11.340 so many

03:12:11.740 there's so much

03:12:12.280 that goes into

03:12:12.940 this so that's

03:12:14.120 why I don't think

03:12:14.820 that the 1 to 10

03:12:15.860 it makes it seem

03:12:16.880 like it's more

03:12:17.360 objective than it is

03:12:18.320 and while there

03:12:18.700 is an objective

03:12:19.420 no there is an

03:12:20.260 objective component

03:12:21.160 to beauty

03:12:21.620 but there's also

03:12:22.160 a subjective

03:12:22.660 and cultural

03:12:23.240 right they've

03:12:23.660 done studies

03:12:24.140 where people

03:12:24.520 in like Africa 0.84

03:12:25.280 have different

03:12:26.300 preferences for

03:12:26.960 waist to hip

03:12:27.400 ratio BMI

03:12:28.080 then they move

03:12:28.580 to the UK

03:12:29.040 and over a few

03:12:29.780 generations they

03:12:30.480 start to match

03:12:31.100 the preferences

03:12:31.600 of the UK

03:12:32.240 so there is a

03:12:33.160 cultural

03:12:33.480 I mean even

03:12:34.000 like 15 years

03:12:35.200 ago nobody 0.99

03:12:36.000 liked big tits 1.00

03:12:36.800 and big ass 1.00

03:12:37.340 and now Kardashian 0.99

03:12:37.980 I think that

03:12:39.120 men have always 0.99

03:12:39.940 like big boobs 1.00

03:12:40.780 I don't know 0.99

03:12:42.800 that's new

03:12:43.340 trust me

03:12:43.840 as a girl

03:12:44.540 who was flat

03:12:45.300 chested

03:12:45.980 I think the

03:12:47.260 standard of beauty

03:12:48.040 we can say

03:12:48.460 has changed

03:12:48.940 throughout history

03:12:49.660 can we not say

03:12:50.380 that like

03:12:50.780 and in cultures

03:12:51.520 like in India

03:12:52.160 people like

03:12:52.660 like big ankles

03:12:53.340 I don't know

03:12:53.640 if you ever

03:12:53.880 saw that Oprah

03:12:54.440 episode

03:12:54.840 but people like

03:12:56.080 different things

03:12:56.720 in some parts

03:12:57.260 of the country

03:12:57.880 in some parts

03:12:58.380 of the world

03:12:58.660 seeing as

03:12:59.020 being seen

03:12:59.820 as too skinny

03:13:00.500 is not

03:13:02.100 like if we

03:13:02.540 even look at

03:13:02.980 art

03:13:03.280 like if we

03:13:03.760 look at the

03:13:04.200 statue of Aphrodite

03:13:05.200 who was the

03:13:06.200 most beautiful

03:13:07.200 woman 0.99

03:13:07.880 anyone could

03:13:08.400 even conceive

03:13:09.000 of

03:13:09.160 if you look

03:13:09.520 at her

03:13:09.720 now

03:13:10.060 she's like

03:13:10.760 rolls

03:13:11.240 she doesn't

03:13:11.800 have big 1.00

03:13:12.260 tits 1.00

03:13:12.740 like she

03:13:13.220 this look

03:13:13.960 up

03:13:14.060 she's got

03:13:14.360 a healthy

03:13:14.700 body fat

03:13:15.300 percentage range

03:13:16.020 look up

03:13:16.400 the statue

03:13:16.840 of Aphrodite

03:13:17.340 I've seen

03:13:17.560 the statue

03:13:18.240 I know

03:13:18.940 she's not

03:13:19.560 that's not

03:13:20.020 the ideal

03:13:20.640 woman's body 1.00

03:13:21.320 in 2023

03:13:22.000 if we were

03:13:22.680 going to

03:13:23.060 depict Aphrodite

03:13:24.460 the goddess

03:13:25.020 of beauty

03:13:25.460 we wouldn't

03:13:25.920 draw her

03:13:26.300 that way

03:13:26.640 and we

03:13:26.860 wouldn't

03:13:27.200 depict her

03:13:28.100 that way

03:13:28.580 anymore

03:13:29.260 today

03:13:29.740 nobody's

03:13:30.500 getting plastic

03:13:30.960 surgery

03:13:31.280 to look like

03:13:31.860 that statue

03:13:32.580 so I'm

03:13:33.240 saying there

03:13:33.620 has there's

03:13:34.280 obviously cultural

03:13:35.220 component

03:13:35.680 there's a

03:13:36.100 subjective

03:13:36.400 component

03:13:36.660 and there's

03:13:37.080 an objective

03:13:37.460 component

03:13:37.920 and because

03:13:38.440 of those

03:13:38.780 things

03:13:39.020 I don't

03:13:39.440 think that

03:13:39.800 the 1 to

03:13:40.240 10 scale

03:13:40.780 I think

03:13:41.140 again it's

03:13:41.640 juvenile

03:13:41.960 it makes

03:13:42.360 sense when

03:13:42.720 you're 12

03:13:43.160 and you're

03:13:43.460 like with

03:13:43.700 your friends

03:13:44.060 like he's

03:13:44.520 an 8

03:13:44.860 he's a 9

03:13:45.540 but I

03:13:46.640 don't know

03:13:46.820 you guys

03:13:47.120 can tell me

03:13:47.480 if I'm

03:13:47.720 wrong

03:13:47.920 do you guys

03:13:48.320 walk around

03:13:48.760 and look

03:13:49.100 at people

03:13:49.420 that way

03:13:49.920 definitely

03:13:50.520 not

03:13:50.940 and I

03:13:51.480 will say

03:13:51.820 too I

03:13:52.200 think it's

03:13:52.620 really dependent

03:13:53.140 on like

03:13:53.640 the day

03:13:54.560 I feel like

03:13:55.360 some days

03:13:55.980 I would literally

03:13:56.600 be like wow 1.00

03:13:57.420 I'm a fucking 0.99

03:13:58.160 10 0.99

03:13:58.520 like I look

03:13:59.180 amazing

03:13:59.860 and then some

03:14:00.420 days I'd be

03:14:00.880 like oh god

03:14:02.120 like 5

03:14:03.080 at the best

03:14:03.880 maybe

03:14:04.380 so yeah

03:14:05.300 I mean I

03:14:05.640 don't know

03:14:05.880 I think it's

03:14:06.400 kind of silly

03:14:06.840 too but like 0.78

03:14:07.400 we do it

03:14:07.760 here so

03:14:08.180 yeah

03:14:08.820 I just do it

03:14:09.500 well I guess

03:14:11.580 okay here's

03:14:12.200 the do you

03:14:13.640 consider yourself

03:14:14.360 like a 10

03:14:15.280 or you just

03:14:15.740 choose to not

03:14:16.400 answer

03:14:16.700 no I don't

03:14:17.300 consider myself

03:14:17.880 a 10

03:14:18.300 I do consider

03:14:19.100 myself attractive

03:14:20.080 now there are

03:14:20.700 days like she

03:14:21.260 said that I

03:14:21.680 actually I'm

03:14:22.040 like ew

03:14:22.580 and then there

03:14:23.240 are other days

03:14:23.560 I'm like oh

03:14:23.920 I look good

03:14:24.300 today like

03:14:24.780 that's my

03:14:25.740 experience

03:14:26.120 so first off

03:14:28.060 I think this

03:14:28.460 idea that it's

03:14:29.060 it's a juvenile

03:14:29.820 I kind of

03:14:30.380 reject that

03:14:31.000 because we

03:14:31.400 all have

03:14:31.780 our preferences

03:14:32.960 when it comes

03:14:33.520 to who we

03:14:34.600 want to date

03:14:35.160 when I

03:14:36.640 don't think

03:14:37.500 anyone here

03:14:37.900 at the table

03:14:38.340 would deny

03:14:38.880 that physical

03:14:39.880 attractiveness

03:14:40.440 is incredibly

03:14:41.340 important for

03:14:41.920 both men

03:14:42.320 and women

03:14:42.580 so that's not

03:14:42.740 juvenile

03:14:43.000 I don't think

03:14:43.580 that having

03:14:43.880 preferences

03:14:44.300 is juvenile

03:14:44.840 sure but I

03:14:45.760 mean the

03:14:46.080 1 to 10

03:14:46.860 scale is a

03:14:47.520 sort of way

03:14:48.140 of doing

03:14:49.600 a assessment

03:14:50.700 of someone's

03:14:51.780 physical

03:14:52.060 attractiveness

03:14:52.600 both yourself

03:14:53.360 and also

03:14:54.080 other people

03:14:54.680 so when you

03:14:55.380 see a girl

03:14:55.940 and you're

03:14:56.620 like oh

03:14:57.020 she's attractive

03:14:57.660 do you go

03:14:58.380 into

03:14:59.060 no I'm

03:14:59.920 not I'm

03:15:00.440 not like

03:15:00.760 breaking it

03:15:01.460 down but

03:15:02.040 like there

03:15:03.080 is the

03:15:03.480 breaking down

03:15:04.060 component that

03:15:04.760 I'm saying

03:15:05.080 is juvenile

03:15:05.600 that's the

03:15:06.420 component so

03:15:07.080 you're like oh

03:15:07.680 no it's not

03:15:08.080 juvenile to have

03:15:08.880 preferences of

03:15:09.760 course not that's

03:15:10.600 what I'm saying I

03:15:11.200 think it's totally

03:15:11.760 fine to be like I

03:15:12.500 find them more

03:15:13.060 attractive than

03:15:13.640 them but I

03:15:14.560 don't go eight

03:15:15.460 nine oh he's

03:15:16.460 two inches

03:15:16.880 taller oh but

03:15:17.660 he I like his

03:15:18.740 tattoos like it

03:15:20.100 becomes weird

03:15:20.900 it doesn't go

03:15:21.700 through and I

03:15:22.220 would say it's

03:15:23.120 probably the case

03:15:23.820 for most men

03:15:24.500 that it

03:15:25.220 doesn't like

03:15:25.640 go through

03:15:26.660 our head

03:15:27.160 like to

03:15:28.380 assign a

03:15:29.020 number when

03:15:29.940 we're just

03:15:30.240 passing a

03:15:30.860 girl in the

03:15:31.560 street or

03:15:31.980 we're even

03:15:32.380 in the

03:15:32.720 conversation

03:15:33.160 with a

03:15:33.480 woman but 1.00

03:15:34.480 this idea

03:15:36.100 that when

03:15:38.720 we're having a

03:15:39.260 conversation about

03:15:40.260 it on a

03:15:41.240 podcast and

03:15:42.660 if you do

03:15:43.580 have like

03:15:44.100 sort of a

03:15:44.620 if you attempt

03:15:47.260 to have

03:15:47.640 actual analysis

03:15:50.100 of what's

03:15:51.580 going on when

03:15:52.040 it comes to

03:15:52.460 dating I

03:15:52.880 do think

03:15:53.280 it's valuable

03:15:54.440 I think

03:15:54.800 it's useful

03:15:55.360 yeah if

03:15:56.320 you're a

03:15:56.560 person that

03:15:57.040 thinks it's

03:15:57.600 useful you're

03:15:58.160 a very

03:15:58.480 different person

03:15:59.100 than I am

03:15:59.520 that's all I'm

03:15:59.960 saying it's I

03:16:00.680 think it's

03:16:00.980 useful to think

03:16:01.580 people are

03:16:01.980 attractive or

03:16:02.520 not but if

03:16:03.020 you're starting

03:16:03.560 to put your

03:16:04.520 prospects on

03:16:05.420 like a scale

03:16:06.180 and oh she's

03:16:06.820 a 10 she's

03:16:07.340 a 9 she's 0.89

03:16:07.860 an 8 she's

03:16:08.340 a 7 she's

03:16:08.900 a 6 and a

03:16:09.380 half I don't

03:16:10.640 think most

03:16:11.700 rational adults

03:16:12.700 are dating in

03:16:13.420 that way

03:16:13.720 here's where

03:16:15.240 it gets

03:16:15.600 dangerous is in

03:16:17.860 today's day and

03:16:18.360 age we have a

03:16:19.500 culture of you

03:16:20.780 know there's from

03:16:21.700 body positivity

03:16:23.360 where we are

03:16:25.540 gassing people

03:16:26.300 up to think

03:16:27.280 that they are

03:16:29.100 perhaps attractive

03:16:30.600 when maybe

03:16:32.000 they aren't

03:16:32.620 so so the

03:16:35.480 reason you need

03:16:36.000 to you need

03:16:36.580 to if you

03:16:37.560 think that you

03:16:39.500 are a 10

03:16:41.200 let's say

03:16:42.060 but you're

03:16:43.340 not you

03:16:45.400 whether you're

03:16:46.540 a man or a

03:16:47.040 woman you're 1.00

03:16:47.700 going to be

03:16:48.420 disappointed with

03:16:49.740 your dating

03:16:50.100 prospects if you

03:16:50.920 have a delusional

03:16:51.680 sense of your

03:16:52.540 own physical

03:16:53.080 attractiveness

03:16:53.760 so that's why

03:16:54.880 it's important I

03:16:55.540 think it's

03:16:56.060 important that

03:16:57.040 people have like

03:16:57.960 are based in

03:16:59.240 reality when it

03:16:59.960 comes to their

03:17:01.040 own self-assessment

03:17:01.880 of their own

03:17:02.320 physical attractiveness

03:17:03.200 so if you just

03:17:04.060 like willy-nilly

03:17:05.000 oh yeah I'm just

03:17:05.760 I'm a 10 my

03:17:06.680 looks are a 10

03:17:07.340 you're probably

03:17:09.380 going to have some

03:17:09.920 degree of

03:17:10.300 entitlement when it

03:17:11.360 comes to well

03:17:12.120 if I'm a 10

03:17:13.300 thus I must I

03:17:15.900 deserve a guy

03:17:16.940 who's a 10

03:17:17.520 I see what you're

03:17:18.440 saying but this

03:17:19.020 is where that

03:17:19.440 subjectivity comes

03:17:20.320 in so I'm on the

03:17:21.020 internet there are

03:17:21.760 men who I am like

03:17:22.780 their dream woman 0.94

03:17:23.520 like the big tit

03:17:24.380 small like I am

03:17:25.400 they think I'm

03:17:25.920 stunning they think

03:17:26.720 I'm a 10 I don't

03:17:27.320 even think I'm a

03:17:27.920 10 there are some

03:17:28.700 men who think I'm

03:17:29.560 mid or average so

03:17:30.820 if I want to see

03:17:31.740 myself as a 10

03:17:32.460 there are certainly

03:17:33.180 men who will find

03:17:33.940 me as a 10 I

03:17:34.920 don't even think

03:17:35.460 that of myself

03:17:36.080 but do the men

03:17:36.720 that you want

03:17:37.940 view you that way

03:17:39.200 I personally

03:17:40.420 obviously like

03:17:41.500 people who with

03:17:42.560 what I'm their

03:17:43.140 type like I like

03:17:44.120 that compatibility

03:17:44.860 so yes if a guy

03:17:46.180 is really into

03:17:46.720 like a lot of

03:17:47.420 the guys that

03:17:47.780 like me they

03:17:48.140 don't like fake 0.99

03:17:48.820 tits like they 1.00

03:17:49.400 don't like that

03:17:50.120 so sure and

03:17:51.060 that's and you

03:17:51.460 can yeah you can

03:17:52.200 find a guy that

03:17:53.200 and there are

03:17:53.680 some men that 0.99

03:17:54.080 like small tits 0.99

03:17:54.960 and there are 0.99

03:17:55.360 some men but

03:17:55.740 some men they're

03:17:56.260 like I love

03:17:57.420 middle eastern

03:17:57.960 women I think

03:17:58.660 they're the most

03:17:59.120 beautiful I'm not

03:17:59.740 saying they are

03:18:00.260 but there are

03:18:01.000 some so what I

03:18:02.340 mean is it what

03:18:03.600 is really the issue

03:18:04.820 with me being like

03:18:06.020 hey I like men

03:18:07.720 who I'm their type

03:18:08.740 and they find me

03:18:09.420 very physically

03:18:10.160 attractive now

03:18:10.800 anyone who says

03:18:11.460 you're a 10 out

03:18:12.000 of 10 you're

03:18:12.320 perfect you have no

03:18:12.920 flaws that's not

03:18:13.360 even human that's

03:18:14.220 like that's bizarre

03:18:15.140 so that's not

03:18:15.960 usually I think

03:18:16.480 what people are

03:18:16.900 saying when they're

03:18:17.380 10 out of 10

03:18:18.100 but I don't think

03:18:19.560 that like it kind

03:18:20.640 of is though a lot

03:18:21.680 of people have a

03:18:22.640 over-inflated sense

03:18:24.640 of self they think 1.00

03:18:25.880 they're hot shit 1.00

03:18:26.640 but they're not 1.00

03:18:27.140 they think they're

03:18:27.660 more attractive than

03:18:28.400 they actually are

03:18:29.260 and invariably

03:18:30.780 they're going to be

03:18:31.460 let down in the

03:18:32.300 dating marketplace

03:18:32.940 because they're not

03:18:34.900 going to be able to

03:18:35.460 secure for long-term

03:18:36.740 commitment so this

03:18:38.640 has been a common

03:18:39.920 phenomenon in

03:18:40.660 psychology for a

03:18:41.320 while it's called

03:18:41.620 the self-enhancement

03:18:42.400 bias so you're right 0.99

03:18:43.200 but I don't think

03:18:43.760 the self-enhancement

03:18:44.720 bias is what's 0.98

03:18:45.400 preventing people

03:18:46.200 from it's one of

03:18:48.080 various factors

03:18:49.120 you can think that

03:18:50.340 I haven't

03:18:50.660 go ahead

03:18:50.900 well I think it's

03:18:53.000 important to remember

03:18:53.960 that everyone has

03:18:55.320 unique preferences

03:18:56.080 it's like someone I

03:18:57.060 may find super

03:18:57.860 attractive my best

03:18:58.720 friend does not

03:18:59.700 think is attractive

03:19:00.260 at all so that

03:19:01.380 person with their

03:19:02.260 they think they're

03:19:03.040 a 10 they're great

03:19:03.960 they think they're

03:19:04.640 super attractive

03:19:05.460 they will eventually

03:19:06.740 find someone that

03:19:07.580 also thinks that

03:19:08.640 like I think that's

03:19:10.040 a possibility and

03:19:10.780 it may be it may be

03:19:11.860 to the point where

03:19:12.560 they get beaten

03:19:13.240 down so much in

03:19:14.020 the beginning that

03:19:14.500 maybe they kind of

03:19:15.940 have a little bit of

03:19:16.480 a reality check and

03:19:17.280 they now like okay

03:19:18.140 maybe I'm not like a

03:19:18.960 10 but you know to

03:19:20.580 someone they may be a

03:19:22.060 10 then someone's

03:19:23.420 preference may match

03:19:24.480 what they think of

03:19:25.140 themselves and in that

03:19:26.040 case that's great but

03:19:27.100 you know of course

03:19:27.720 that's really challenging

03:19:28.680 to find and it's

03:19:29.940 going to be difficult

03:19:30.480 for them if they just

03:19:31.740 are walking around

03:19:32.480 thinking they're a 10

03:19:33.480 all the time but you

03:19:34.500 know to someone they

03:19:35.200 really may be a 10

03:19:36.100 sorry well I think

03:19:38.540 there is I firmly

03:19:39.500 believe that there

03:19:40.100 is someone out there

03:19:41.020 who thinks that you

03:19:41.880 are gorgeous and is

03:19:42.800 going to be attracted

03:19:43.360 to you I think that's

03:19:44.320 definitely true but I

03:19:45.300 think where Brian's

03:19:46.140 coming from and why

03:19:47.040 having a sense of like

03:19:48.780 self-actualization is

03:19:50.400 important is that are

03:19:51.820 you going to be

03:19:52.300 attracted to that

03:19:53.180 person right because

03:19:54.420 if you're someone who

03:19:55.360 you you're like you're

03:19:56.780 single and you've been

03:19:57.840 single for a long time

03:19:58.700 and you you meet

03:19:59.960 someone and they find

03:20:00.980 you beautiful they're

03:20:02.220 super attracted to you

03:20:03.060 but you think you can

03:20:04.740 do better perhaps

03:20:06.640 there's a possibility

03:20:07.780 that you can't and

03:20:08.900 right no one wants

03:20:10.200 to like quote unquote

03:20:11.220 settle but I think it

03:20:12.560 is you know having

03:20:13.480 realistic expectations

03:20:15.000 is kind of why it

03:20:16.180 might matter and not

03:20:17.520 necessarily that we

03:20:18.080 quantify how good

03:20:19.300 looking we are but

03:20:20.000 just kind of like you

03:20:21.320 know what pool are you

03:20:22.680 working with right I

03:20:23.860 think anyone who's

03:20:24.800 like I can do better

03:20:25.720 because I'm more

03:20:26.220 attractive than a

03:20:27.360 person I don't think

03:20:28.360 that's it yeah that's

03:20:29.060 not a nice person I

03:20:30.220 probably shouldn't

03:20:30.880 want to date them

03:20:31.520 anyway I guess here's

03:20:34.120 here's the thing

03:20:34.740 though when it comes

03:20:35.800 to differences between

03:20:37.220 men and women is

03:20:38.740 that I think it's

03:20:42.080 really important you

03:20:43.000 have especially I

03:20:44.100 think especially so

03:20:44.860 for women that you

03:20:45.600 have an accurate

03:20:46.460 self-assessment of

03:20:48.060 your own excuse me

03:20:49.300 your own physical

03:20:50.000 attractiveness is

03:20:51.440 because men will put

03:20:54.940 women well there's 1.00

03:20:56.260 there's a variety of

03:20:57.140 categories but men

03:21:00.060 are a little more

03:21:00.580 flexible when it

03:21:01.480 comes to who they're

03:21:03.080 willing to sleep

03:21:03.820 with and if as a

03:21:05.640 woman you're desirous

03:21:06.580 of a long-term

03:21:07.180 relationship there are

03:21:08.500 plenty of guys that

03:21:09.680 you're going to deem

03:21:10.440 really attractive that

03:21:12.220 are that'll sleep with

03:21:14.240 you but they'll never

03:21:15.200 give you commitment

03:21:16.060 and so if you start

03:21:18.000 gunning for like a

03:21:19.040 really top-tier guy as

03:21:20.500 a girl you can get 0.99

03:21:21.800 sexual access to him 0.97

03:21:22.880 but it's not a given

03:21:24.480 that you're going to

03:21:24.960 get commitment from

03:21:26.080 him yeah sure yeah

03:21:28.220 so as a woman like 0.75

03:21:29.600 you can in addition to 0.91

03:21:31.080 not only having sexual

03:21:32.140 access to men of

03:21:32.980 whether it's status

03:21:34.200 whether it's physical

03:21:34.980 appearance because for

03:21:36.500 men will sleep with 0.99

03:21:38.540 women that they would 1.00

03:21:40.440 in terms of physical

03:21:41.580 attractiveness that

03:21:42.340 they would never

03:21:43.240 consider being in a

03:21:44.920 relationship with yeah

03:21:46.520 however I think it's

03:21:48.000 pretty different for

03:21:48.920 women like for women 1.00

03:21:49.840 in order for you to

03:21:50.680 sleep with a guy he 0.55

03:21:52.260 typically has to be at

03:21:53.400 least physically

03:21:55.200 attractive enough for

03:21:56.340 you to be in a

03:21:56.860 relationship with him

03:21:57.760 typically when women 1.00

03:21:59.120 break rules when it

03:22:00.000 comes to you know

03:22:01.240 sleeping with someone

03:22:01.860 quick or whatever it

03:22:02.740 may be is he's just

03:22:04.060 going to be really

03:22:04.940 attractive whereas it's

03:22:07.460 almost the opposite for

03:22:08.800 well or she's just 0.95

03:22:10.180 super into him like

03:22:11.420 emotionally like they

03:22:12.280 have a wonderful

03:22:12.820 emotional connection

03:22:13.700 and then that like

03:22:14.480 draws a lot more

03:22:15.320 women and even just to 1.00

03:22:16.480 like sleep with you

03:22:17.660 and also everyone's

03:22:19.660 attractive preferences

03:22:20.540 are different right

03:22:21.700 from you know

03:22:22.700 everyone here if you

03:22:23.780 have one guy you know

03:22:24.700 we may not all find

03:22:25.760 him super attractive

03:22:26.820 yeah and so there's

03:22:27.860 like you said there's

03:22:28.800 someone for everyone

03:22:29.680 type thing like that's

03:22:30.820 it's not that it's

03:22:31.820 easy to find that it's

03:22:33.580 definitely really

03:22:34.140 difficult but it's

03:22:34.900 possible but like oh

03:22:36.220 go ahead sorry well I

03:22:37.120 guess I guess the issue

03:22:37.960 is that women tend to 1.00

03:22:39.240 be the gatekeepers of

03:22:40.180 sex but men are the 0.99

03:22:41.120 gatekeepers of

03:22:41.760 relationships so the

03:22:43.720 disparity there might be

03:22:45.260 that you know women

03:22:46.140 because we're I guess

03:22:47.400 traditionally the

03:22:47.960 gatekeepers of sex

03:22:48.720 what Brian is saying is

03:22:49.440 that we're not going to

03:22:50.560 sleep with someone who

03:22:51.400 we wouldn't also date in

03:22:53.020 terms of looks but it's

03:22:54.460 men have actually a higher 0.60

03:22:55.820 standard for who they

03:22:57.260 would date in terms of

03:22:58.920 looks than who they

03:22:59.660 would merely for example

03:23:00.860 have a one night stand

03:23:01.960 with so you could have

03:23:03.600 like an information

03:23:04.340 asymmetry if you're going

03:23:05.940 into you know a date or

03:23:07.680 something where you

03:23:09.220 might like be into the

03:23:10.280 guy and want to date him

03:23:11.200 where he's not actually

03:23:12.700 that attracted to you

03:23:13.780 enough to have you run

03:23:14.780 long term he only wants

03:23:16.060 to sleep with you

03:23:16.800 so to get to the

03:23:17.740 conclusion then you're

03:23:18.800 saying that because of

03:23:20.220 that these women have an 0.89

03:23:21.240 inflated sense of self

03:23:22.480 because they think they

03:23:23.460 can get that guy but

03:23:24.980 they can't because

03:23:25.660 they're not attractive

03:23:26.480 enough but they don't

03:23:27.260 know it because they

03:23:28.540 think they can because

03:23:29.540 he's willing to sleep

03:23:30.220 with them is that what

03:23:30.880 you're saying is what

03:23:32.680 is that what you guys

03:23:33.620 are no what I'm saying

03:23:34.620 is that as a woman not

03:23:35.860 every man who wants to

03:23:36.800 sleep with you wants to

03:23:37.560 be in a relationship with

03:23:38.420 you and it's important to

03:23:39.320 be able to discern that

03:23:40.220 yeah I agree yeah so

03:23:42.400 that can also go both

03:23:44.520 ways yeah absolutely I

03:23:46.300 mean maybe typically one

03:23:47.440 way or the other but

03:23:48.260 it's important to

03:23:49.280 recognize that you know

03:23:50.480 both ways word word

03:23:53.420 okay let me see if

03:23:54.900 there's any other

03:23:55.380 chats we do let's see

03:23:58.740 oh there's a lot

03:24:02.360 did we do this one

03:24:08.200 oh Madison can you

03:24:10.860 read it bro there was a

03:24:13.220 bit of woman walking 0.99

03:24:14.840 through New York and

03:24:15.780 men saying smile more

03:24:17.240 were labeled as

03:24:18.780 predators this is why

03:24:19.900 even aesthetically

03:24:21.520 attractive people are

03:24:22.880 hesitant to approach

03:24:24.020 women they don't know

03:24:25.420 well I don't who who

03:24:26.760 here wants to be told

03:24:27.640 to smile more when

03:24:28.580 they're just walking

03:24:29.120 down the street like I

03:24:29.980 don't think that's a

03:24:31.440 good move yeah but it's

03:24:33.300 not I don't think

03:24:35.320 they're predators but

03:24:36.200 they're weirdos I don't

03:24:38.080 yeah I think you can

03:24:38.800 there's ways to approach

03:24:39.920 women that don't make 1.00

03:24:41.160 them feel uncomfortable

03:24:41.780 and smile more is not

03:24:42.900 one of them we already

03:24:43.660 discussed I think the

03:24:44.960 video in question it was

03:24:46.660 a viral video a long time

03:24:48.160 ago I mean what my

03:24:51.160 understanding is that

03:24:52.060 they basically trolled

03:24:55.060 the streets for 10

03:24:56.200 hours and they got a

03:24:58.260 handful of and they

03:25:00.280 seem to have targeted

03:25:01.320 typically minority

03:25:02.440 neighborhoods to do this

03:25:03.680 in which is another

03:25:05.040 conversation but like

03:25:07.820 there were men who would

03:25:08.780 say hi or whatever

03:25:11.600 there might have been

03:25:15.220 some cherry picking

03:25:15.880 involved in the editing

03:25:16.960 of that video but yeah

03:25:22.480 let me get this other

03:25:23.800 one Ryan L hey thank

03:25:24.880 you man for the

03:25:25.540 Canadian hundred

03:25:26.200 appreciate it yo Ryan

03:25:27.960 thank you go ahead

03:25:28.520 Madison what that other

03:25:30.840 sub was trying to say in

03:25:32.180 layman's terms is Lauren

03:25:33.560 you're a solid 10 when

03:25:34.880 you put looks values and

03:25:36.280 social situations all

03:25:37.460 together you're a perfect

03:25:38.460 10 for any moderately

03:25:39.620 conservative man keep

03:25:40.920 doing what you do oh

03:25:42.000 that's really sweet she's

03:25:42.860 married can we see the

03:25:44.480 ring can we see the ring

03:25:45.360 I don't I don't know

03:25:47.040 where my actual

03:25:47.580 engagement ring is on

03:25:48.580 unfortunately we had a

03:25:49.580 move so yeah there you

03:25:51.640 have it okay we have

03:25:52.960 real life outdoors hey

03:25:54.880 thank you man you have

03:25:56.160 platforms to advocate on

03:25:57.300 behalf of women's rights

03:25:58.360 in your culture you

03:25:59.960 choose to promote your

03:26:00.840 OF and BS hubris also

03:26:03.260 I'm not paying to talk

03:26:04.160 to you I'm paying to

03:26:05.220 talk at you wow all

03:26:06.980 right it's like your OF

03:26:08.920 but you can keep your

03:26:09.960 clothes on I mean you're

03:26:11.420 still paying to get a

03:26:12.560 response out of me so

03:26:13.800 it's I mean if we want

03:26:15.440 to talk about what's

03:26:16.040 going on in Iran we

03:26:16.820 can but it's a very

03:26:17.500 difficult situation and

03:26:18.640 there's very little we

03:26:19.620 can actually do here to

03:26:20.880 help there are things

03:26:21.820 that you know my family

03:26:22.920 try to get involved in

03:26:23.740 but other than

03:26:24.260 protesting this has been

03:26:25.520 a huge issue that's been

03:26:27.120 going on since the

03:26:27.780 revolution in 19 7

03:26:29.020 1979 so there isn't

03:26:30.800 even it's really hard to

03:26:31.620 even donate over there

03:26:32.740 you can't even really send

03:26:33.860 money to Iran so it's not

03:26:36.160 that simple and what am I

03:26:37.920 not supposed to work here

03:26:39.040 and and have it might the

03:26:40.480 job I want because people

03:26:41.780 women in Iran can't I 1.00

03:26:43.380 mean I get so many

03:26:44.580 messages from women in

03:26:45.800 Iran and Iranian women

03:26:47.660 thanking me for what I

03:26:48.880 do and for breaking

03:26:49.560 those stereotypes and

03:26:50.660 those the the terrible

03:26:52.880 archaic part of our

03:26:54.080 culture because there is

03:26:54.920 that about gender norms

03:26:56.420 and women being sexually

03:26:58.040 liberated good times good

03:27:00.120 times you play one of

03:27:00.740 your sound effects for me

03:27:01.640 like the happy one or

03:27:03.800 the other okay so one of

03:27:08.380 the things that came up

03:27:09.200 in a previous chat was

03:27:10.600 someone wanted to talk

03:27:12.020 about body count and I

03:27:13.060 said I would get to it

03:27:14.040 so this is us getting to

03:27:15.580 it here at the end of the

03:27:16.420 show here before we wrap

03:27:17.460 up should body count

03:27:20.600 matter I don't have an

03:27:22.320 issue with it mattering

03:27:23.280 for certain people but

03:27:24.440 for me it doesn't matter

03:27:25.580 and I wouldn't be

03:27:26.820 attracted to a guy for

03:27:28.000 which he finds it to be

03:27:29.300 pertinent information

03:27:30.200 no one else's body count

03:27:33.140 matters but my own

03:27:34.140 that makes sense sort of so

03:27:38.600 you wouldn't you wouldn't

03:27:41.800 mind dating a guy who had 0.94

03:27:47.640 like 300 previous sexual

03:27:49.800 partners I'd be intimidated

03:27:51.820 okay but I wouldn't mind

03:27:54.180 sure personally it doesn't

03:27:56.600 matter I've been dating this

03:27:57.540 guy for like eight months

03:27:58.960 now he I don't know his body

03:28:00.480 count he doesn't know mine and

03:28:01.540 we don't really care

03:28:02.220 sure yeah same I don't I

03:28:04.620 think that it's fine if it

03:28:05.660 matters to you or your

03:28:06.960 partner I think you guys

03:28:08.000 can discuss that privately

03:28:09.380 but to me it doesn't

03:28:10.920 matter no I think it does

03:28:13.340 matter you know they say

03:28:15.160 that if you're interested in

03:28:16.680 relationship best predictor

03:28:18.080 of future behavior is

03:28:18.940 relevant past behavior I

03:28:20.660 don't know about the

03:28:21.460 statistics for men I still

03:28:22.600 think it matters if you're a 0.91

03:28:23.560 woman what you're like male

03:28:25.780 partner's body count is but I

03:28:27.160 know for women there is a 1.00

03:28:28.920 correlation between number of

03:28:30.480 partners before marriage and

03:28:32.460 likelihood of divorce so I

03:28:34.360 you know we can go into

03:28:35.560 exactly what the reasons

03:28:36.680 might be but I think

03:28:37.560 overall you know for a

03:28:39.880 prospective boyfriend or

03:28:41.200 husband to care about that

03:28:42.780 I think it it's reasonable

03:28:44.260 so are you talking about

03:28:44.860 the Institute of Family

03:28:45.720 Studies because that's the

03:28:46.640 one study that showed

03:28:47.440 interestingly they show

03:28:48.520 that two is the worst and

03:28:49.660 if you have two it like

03:28:50.720 shows it goes up after

03:28:51.560 nine so would you have

03:28:52.320 someone who slept with two 1.00

03:28:53.180 people would you say they

03:28:54.060 should sleep with a few

03:28:54.820 more so their likelihood of

03:28:56.080 divorce goes down and if

03:28:57.520 we're going to talk about

03:28:58.060 divorce statistics they're

03:28:59.480 like the first thing you

03:29:00.280 should be looking at is a

03:29:01.180 college educated woman it's 1.00

03:29:02.300 their first marriage and

03:29:03.140 that they're between 25 and

03:29:04.240 32 because those are the

03:29:05.340 three biggest things that

03:29:06.320 really reduce your

03:29:07.220 likelihood of divorce if you

03:29:08.180 just do those three your

03:29:09.360 divorce rate is now at 20

03:29:10.660 percent instead of 50 so

03:29:12.280 yeah I do think it's a and

03:29:13.540 I think it's a good

03:29:14.160 conversation to have if

03:29:15.040 you're talking about

03:29:15.380 lifestyle right if you

03:29:16.520 slept with hundreds of

03:29:17.420 people you probably party a

03:29:18.660 lot you probably drink a

03:29:19.520 lot and if the other

03:29:20.480 person doesn't but this and

03:29:22.460 yeah maybe a little bit it

03:29:24.160 does you know if you're

03:29:25.180 like oh the likelihood of

03:29:26.080 divorce and stuff but if

03:29:27.180 someone's going to use

03:29:27.980 that oh the likelihood of

03:29:29.580 divorce then I expect you 1.00

03:29:30.900 to pick women that at

03:29:32.440 least on those things that

03:29:33.520 matter far more when we're

03:29:34.600 talking about likelihood of

03:29:35.580 getting divorced I mean I'm

03:29:36.620 for men especially when it 0.98

03:29:38.060 comes to marriage being very

03:29:38.860 picky so I'm not going to

03:29:39.900 say no like yes absolutely

03:29:41.440 with divorce rates what they

03:29:42.480 are I think you should be as

03:29:43.900 much as possible trying to I

03:29:45.340 don't want to say hedge your

03:29:45.920 bets because that's not a

03:29:46.700 good way to look at a

03:29:47.580 marriage but yeah I think it

03:29:48.840 makes a lot of sense to try

03:29:50.100 and be as smart and you know

03:29:51.620 as possible especially like we

03:29:52.700 were talking about you know

03:29:53.640 divorce courts that yeah all of

03:29:55.400 these things should matter

03:29:56.440 a holistic approach to not

03:29:57.760 wanting to get divorced if you

03:29:58.860 will yeah that study is just

03:30:00.060 funny because it it goes up

03:30:02.140 the highest is two and then

03:30:03.460 it kind of goes down until

03:30:04.420 like nine and then it goes up

03:30:05.560 again so if you're going to

03:30:06.840 hedge your bets if you've

03:30:07.760 only slept with two people

03:30:08.640 you might want to add a few

03:30:09.580 more in because according to

03:30:10.620 that well I think when you

03:30:11.500 when you cross I would want 1.00

03:30:12.900 to see the like a

03:30:13.760 multivariate regression that

03:30:14.780 actually takes into account

03:30:15.740 age because what that tells

03:30:17.260 someone like me is that the

03:30:18.600 highest being two it's likely

03:30:20.020 people who are younger who

03:30:21.000 are getting married which we

03:30:21.860 also know the likelihood if

03:30:23.280 you're you know 18 to get

03:30:24.580 married and divorced is

03:30:26.240 going to be much higher than

03:30:26.960 if you're 25 or something

03:30:28.260 I agree that's why I'm kind

03:30:29.880 of it's annoying that that's

03:30:30.980 the one study that even

03:30:31.940 shows that is that one

03:30:32.960 institute of families I

03:30:33.980 think there should be more

03:30:34.660 research done on this yeah

03:30:35.820 and I am not just basing my

03:30:37.240 answer off that one study

03:30:38.360 either but do you really

03:30:39.880 need a study to know that

03:30:41.520 promiscuity is an

03:30:43.400 undesirable trait well it's

03:30:44.960 actually so desirability is

03:30:46.460 different than divorce so

03:30:47.780 actually there has been

03:30:48.640 studies done on lifetime

03:30:50.080 partners and that impacting

03:30:51.680 your likelihood of marriage

03:30:52.580 and there's no impact so

03:30:53.880 your body count doesn't

03:30:54.900 actually impact your

03:30:55.860 likelihood of getting

03:30:56.600 married it does impact

03:30:57.660 likelihood of divorce that's

03:30:58.900 true but it doesn't

03:30:59.760 impact obviously doesn't

03:31:01.200 impact desirability enough

03:31:02.560 because men are still just 0.96

03:31:03.860 as these women are still 1.00

03:31:04.940 just as likely to get a ring

03:31:06.160 on it as women who have

03:31:07.500 lower body counts and

03:31:08.980 that's what we're trying to

03:31:10.140 change with this show how

03:31:12.060 about that you really need

03:31:13.600 to stop bringing up college

03:31:15.100 education education itself is

03:31:17.660 not what leads to lateral

03:31:18.820 attraction even if partners

03:31:20.800 have same education income

03:31:22.740 and socioeconomic status holds

03:31:24.880 more weight than education

03:31:26.460 itself not with divorce and

03:31:28.020 divorce statistics education

03:31:29.680 is a variable that has been

03:31:31.360 shown to have this effect more

03:31:33.160 so than those other ones but I

03:31:34.920 did say socioeconomic status

03:31:36.600 does impact it well it's hard to

03:31:38.440 divorce them right I mean

03:31:39.620 someone from a certain

03:31:40.440 socioeconomic status you're

03:31:41.700 almost guaranteed to have like

03:31:42.800 gone to college if your parents

03:31:44.240 make over so you can't really

03:31:45.480 like he's trying to say

03:31:46.660 divorce them they're they're 1.00

03:31:48.140 overlapping I think too yeah

03:31:49.920 they could and people of

03:31:51.060 higher socioeconomic status do

03:31:52.620 get divorced less often and I

03:31:54.560 think maybe that could be

03:31:55.500 because it's also college

03:31:56.760 education and also a lot of

03:31:58.420 couples argue about finances

03:31:59.940 and if you're of a higher

03:32:00.700 socioeconomic status you're not

03:32:02.080 worried you don't have those

03:32:02.800 stresses of like poverty how am

03:32:04.280 I going to put food on the

03:32:05.420 table those things impact your

03:32:07.440 relationship so yeah but okay

03:32:10.540 we were talking about body

03:32:11.540 count yeah so body count it

03:32:13.120 doesn't impact desirability

03:32:14.300 because those women are just 1.00

03:32:15.320 as like but those women are 1.00

03:32:16.540 just as likely to get married

03:32:17.660 so women with a high body 1.00

03:32:18.840 count and one with a low

03:32:19.620 body count or have the same

03:32:20.720 likelihood of marriage when

03:32:22.020 we're looking at lifetime

03:32:22.760 partners there is a

03:32:23.840 discrepancy if we look at

03:32:25.000 recent partners and the

03:32:26.620 researchers in the study

03:32:27.740 concluded that maybe

03:32:28.980 obviously if you're sleeping

03:32:30.180 around right now maybe you're

03:32:31.060 not ready for marriage you're 0.99

03:32:31.920 just at a different point in

03:32:32.780 your life but they looked at

03:32:34.340 lifetime partners and they

03:32:35.580 looked at a probability of

03:32:37.580 getting married and that they

03:32:38.880 didn't find any link there

03:32:40.160 every single woman that ever 0.95

03:32:42.800 existed or does exist were to

03:32:46.420 have a body count of 300

03:32:48.060 women would still get married 1.00

03:32:51.220 men would I suppose tolerate

03:32:53.960 this new thing but it doesn't

03:32:58.540 mean it's a good thing or that

03:33:00.200 it's desirable are you saying

03:33:01.420 it's a so it doesn't so if I

03:33:03.800 was telling women like okay it 0.98

03:33:05.600 seems like your likelihood of

03:33:06.620 getting married is the same so

03:33:08.040 maybe men are just tolerating it 0.99

03:33:10.060 but they are tolerating it so and

03:33:12.360 also I think hookup culture is

03:33:14.120 misconstrued when you look at

03:33:15.520 the actual stats most people are

03:33:17.280 not it's like 20% that they're

03:33:19.320 showing that that is doing this

03:33:20.820 and a lot of times they use the

03:33:21.900 Pareto principle or whatever that

03:33:23.700 20% of men are getting 80% of

03:33:25.500 women well when you reverse it 1.00

03:33:26.540 it's the same that 20% of women 1.00

03:33:28.100 are so what's really happening is

03:33:29.540 that 20% of the population is

03:33:31.140 promiscuous and the rest kind of

03:33:32.720 aren't most people if you look at

03:33:34.780 those GSS studies of sexlessness

03:33:37.040 and whatever over 80% of men and

03:33:39.360 women in the past year have had 1.00

03:33:40.520 sex either with one person or with 0.57

03:33:42.300 zero p it's not this thing that

03:33:43.660 men are men or women I think it's 0.73

03:33:45.600 one of those things of like

03:33:46.620 remember when we were in school and

03:33:48.040 it's like mom everyone does drugs 1.00

03:33:49.900 everyone drinks I feel like hookup

03:33:51.780 culture in these spaces is becoming

03:33:53.540 that because people assume in these

03:33:55.280 spaces like everyone's hooking up

03:33:56.920 and this is just becoming a thing

03:33:57.920 everyone's body count is like in the

03:33:59.280 hundreds it's not true most people

03:34:01.640 are having sex and you think it's 0.79

03:34:03.060 equal one-to-one what do you mean

03:34:05.140 men have more partners yeah no men

03:34:07.760 have more partners than women do 1.00

03:34:09.020 that's true yeah that's true at least

03:34:12.200 I mean I don't know about like

03:34:13.900 among certain populations but in

03:34:15.200 general yeah that is from what I

03:34:16.820 remember across all age groups that

03:34:18.940 was the case and I also want to say

03:34:20.600 that it is like it's a double-edged

03:34:22.040 sword because I know a lot of single

03:34:24.040 Christian women who want to wait 1.00

03:34:26.480 until marriage and we can say that 0.53

03:34:28.800 men you know they desire they want to

03:34:30.720 marry a virgin a lot of men don't want 0.90

03:34:32.480 to date a virgin and wait to marry

03:34:35.080 her so it is like it's it's hard like

03:34:38.060 you're kind of I mean as as a woman if

03:34:40.480 you want that that's going to be a

03:34:41.880 challenge for you even to just be able

03:34:43.720 to be in a long-term relationship with

03:34:45.200 a man in this day and age and not put

03:34:47.100 out so that's like it's hard in that

03:34:50.740 situation I agree with that I think

03:34:52.500 that it can be hard but this idea that

03:34:54.480 people are just having these crazy high

03:34:56.200 body counts and up in the hundreds

03:34:57.640 that's very rare the average is not

03:34:59.600 anywhere near that and most people

03:35:01.420 upwards of 80 percent if you look at

03:35:03.300 who they've had sex with in the past

03:35:04.720 few years it's a partner in a

03:35:05.980 relationship or a marriage if people 0.99

03:35:08.380 aren't just going off and fucking 200 0.99

03:35:11.180 people the way the manosphere likes to 0.98

03:35:13.180 think well I mean who aren't the stats

03:35:15.740 that I'm familiar with and I'm familiar

03:35:17.020 with the GSS the general social survey

03:35:20.100 whatever it's called 2018 one is

03:35:21.740 probably the only one you're familiar

03:35:22.740 with I am familiar with that one yes how

03:35:24.600 about the 2021 or 2022 because you

03:35:27.260 should look those up and those have a

03:35:29.040 very different result what is the

03:35:30.420 average for so the one he's referring

03:35:33.820 is one that kind of blew up in these

03:35:35.280 spaces where it shows that like a third

03:35:36.760 of men are having sex in the past year

03:35:39.240 but that there's also one from Pew

03:35:41.060 Research yeah so which shows that that I

03:35:44.700 think it's 60 percent of men in the age

03:35:48.880 range of 18 to 29 report being single

03:35:52.940 whereas in that same exact age cohort

03:35:55.140 women are much more likely to be in a 1.00

03:35:59.200 relationship so there's been other ones

03:36:00.900 that don't show that but also one of the

03:36:02.800 reasons for that is women tend to date a 1.00

03:36:04.460 couple years older so if they were to

03:36:06.180 expand the male side of that to like 33 0.99

03:36:08.520 34 then the number would be a lot a lot

03:36:11.200 less because there's a lot of women if 1.00

03:36:13.220 you're only cutting it off at 29 well 28

03:36:15.360 27 26 year old women are dating men that 0.53

03:36:17.400 are 30 31 32 then that's part of where that

03:36:21.140 discrepancy age age could explain that but

03:36:23.820 yeah it's still a pretty staggering I mean

03:36:26.560 the fact that there's in the cohort of

03:36:29.640 men between 18 to 29 if 60 I forgot if it

03:36:33.700 was the exact numbers but it's like twice

03:36:38.720 as many men are single as women so the

03:36:41.080 other studies have shown like a 10 per so

03:36:43.440 it's less than that 10 percent and that

03:36:45.560 maybe there's still some of that even when

03:36:47.140 we counter measure for age but I but they

03:36:49.800 have shown that if we just increase the

03:36:51.620 male side so if we look at women and cap

03:36:53.560 it at 29 but we cap men at 34 35 that

03:36:56.560 changes significantly because a lot of

03:36:58.640 women are dating men that are a few years 0.79

03:36:59.940 older than them something else that I saw

03:37:02.100 that I forgot who it was that posted about

03:37:05.080 it but that might explain at least some of

03:37:06.460 the the disparity between men and women

03:37:08.400 being single and this just frustrates me

03:37:10.320 makes me really glad that I'm not single is

03:37:12.640 that women are a lot more likely to 1.00

03:37:14.460 qualify what their relationship status is

03:37:17.020 with the same person as being a

03:37:19.020 relationship versus a man who might say oh

03:37:20.740 no we're not in a relationship like we're

03:37:22.500 just cat or whatever that is and I could

03:37:24.700 totally see that country contributing to

03:37:26.360 at least some of it yeah I agree that

03:37:27.840 could contribute to some of it but I don't

03:37:29.620 know if that whole number first of all

03:37:31.160 again that hasn't been replicated and also

03:37:32.860 with the age and that I think all three of

03:37:35.380 those things are contributing well I mean

03:37:37.140 it to me it's almost seems self-evident okay

03:37:41.660 so I mean there's that one study one out of

03:37:47.160 three men under 30 has not had sex in the

03:37:49.300 past year the corresponding number is one

03:37:51.720 out of six women under 30 has not had sex in

03:37:55.300 the past year they the latest version of that

03:37:58.980 actually shows women more likely to not have

03:38:01.080 had that's what I would so they're stuck on

03:38:03.040 2018 because 2018 is the one year it shows

03:38:04.940 this that's why I want him to use a different

03:38:06.260 year because on those other years it shows

03:38:07.800 women are having less sex than men but that 1.00

03:38:10.560 one I did I did think I saw the most recent

03:38:13.560 stats and it was surprising surprising when

03:38:18.680 it's not the 2018 graph well I also I did

03:38:22.460 look and perhaps COVID is related to this

03:38:26.520 but the the number of participants was

03:38:30.720 markedly lower than in previous years so

03:38:34.340 there was a general trend and then 2018

03:38:36.680 had this weird discrepancy and then it's

03:38:39.200 been so 2000 it's more likely that if we've

03:38:42.060 done this for many many years the 2018

03:38:43.980 something was up whatever it that's why

03:38:46.280 replicability is so important because it

03:38:47.920 wasn't replicated in the years prior or the

03:38:49.800 years after so and also something people

03:38:53.220 don't understand this 18 to 30 age range

03:38:55.500 when you actually do 25 to 30 it drops down

03:38:58.120 to like 9% what it really means is a lot of

03:39:00.660 people men between 18 and 25 were having

03:39:03.240 more sex because they were getting married

03:39:04.500 more they were leaving the house more they

03:39:06.480 were just socializing more but after 25 it

03:39:09.680 seems that like virginity and sexlessness is

03:39:11.800 far far far it drops significantly after 25

03:39:14.980 than in the 18 to 25 range well if the numbers

03:39:20.260 from the most recent GSS survey are true

03:39:23.020 perhaps even the 2018 numbers are faulty it may very well be the case that's what I'm saying

03:39:29.880 the 2018 numbers are faulty in any case though it does occur to me that I would make the argument that women are more promiscuous than men are okay why because it's self-evident well it's uh for starters uh women have more access to hookup culture than do men okay but that access is clearly not resulting in them actually doing it by any of these surveys or any of these and and also if women have all these options if men had the amount of options women have you don't think they would be far more promiscuous than

03:39:59.880 but they don't yeah but women are not which would suggest women aren't using is alive and well but women aren't using those options we're seeing 0.94

03:40:07.800 like that's the thing you're saying they have the options but the options isn't translating to their behavior

03:40:14.120 where do you have it so they may have more options now link that to the conclusion you're trying to make just because they have more options they are therefore more promiscuous or don't we have a gap there that we need to fill a premise

03:40:23.880 what you what you basically have is there's a small proportion of men for example on tinder and they

03:40:30.120 have done studies on tinder when it comes to the breakdown of who's getting right who's getting

03:40:34.840 swiped on who's not so you have a very small proportion of men that get something like 80 90 of

03:40:41.960 all the attention on dating apps this is a very small pool of men that get all the attention so what you're

03:40:47.400 going to end up happening for example is i think this is a one so you basically have like a small

03:40:53.880 proportion of men that are very promiscuous that have a high partner count but then you have a

03:41:01.000 greater proportion of women that don't have quite as high of a body count as do the men well again if

03:41:07.560 you're looking at just dating app swipes that's different but if you're looking at how people

03:41:10.600 actually behave in their behavior like i said it does seem to be because if you reverse it it does

03:41:14.680 also seem like 20 of women are sleeping with 80 that's not true what's happening is really

03:41:19.080 that there's like 20 of the population or maybe a little less maybe a little more that are more

03:41:22.840 promiscuous and that's what's contributing to this also on dating apps i think it's like

03:41:26.680 there's like three or four times as many men on there as women and that's obviously going to conflate 1.00

03:41:31.080 this there's no actual real life scenario where there's like five to five men for each woman unless

03:41:36.440 you're in like a specific niche sure which makes it even more difficult for men i agree it makes it

03:41:41.480 more difficult but i don't think it makes women more promiscuous because that's the thing you're 1.00

03:41:44.760 arguing i do think men have it hard but i don't think that that translates to women are now more

03:41:49.480 promiscuous because men on average more promiscuous women than there are men it will the stats show them 1.00

03:41:56.840 both like around the same it seems like there's 20 of people that are just fucking each other and the 0.98

03:42:00.520 rest of us are just like with it's not i don't believe it's a one-to-one thing if it's not a one-to-one

03:42:06.520 thing the more men have more are having more sex than women are like she even no a smaller proportion 1.00

03:42:12.040 of men are having more sex than women are well that's so from what you're showing me it seems 0.99

03:42:17.640 like the majority both men and women are having and i and i said this over 80 of us are having sex 0.51

03:42:23.400 with either zero or one person and then once you start getting to two to four partners you start

03:42:28.120 getting to way more men have um yeah there's a fly behind you more men are having a lot of partners

03:42:35.160 and women are so i don't know how you're you're concluding that women are more promiscuous 0.91

03:42:39.880 simply by virtue of their accessibility to but that accessibility isn't translating to behavior

03:42:45.640 it is though how because the stats all show the opposite that's all happening how is that so tell

03:42:50.120 me how it's translated if you have more capability to do something then you're much more likely to

03:42:56.680 enact on it so your argument is premise one women have more capability conclusion therefore women are 1.00

03:43:01.400 more promiscuous you're missing the middle so premise two would have to be women are acting 1.00

03:43:05.720 on this accessibility therefore women are more promiscuous you don't have that second premise 1.00

03:43:10.120 that second premise is not borne out by what we're seeing in the behavior well it's hard because any of

03:43:15.320 the stats i've seen about this they just give like an average they don't give like a mean median mode kind

03:43:20.440 of breakdown that was based donated 99 all right someone shut off barney's mic for the night at no

03:43:29.640 point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered

03:43:34.920 a rational thought everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it i mean we are brian

03:43:41.480 is directing a lot of the questions as me i don't mind being muted for the rest of the time it's late

03:43:45.320 and i think we're ending soon so i'm all for it well i guess the only thing i'd say about the

03:43:50.200 promiscuity is that if we take being promiscuous as like a personality attribute and give it to 20

03:43:55.560 of the population it's more likely that the 20 of the female population who is promiscuous is actually 0.99

03:44:00.520 going to be able to go out and sleep with someone than the 20 of the male population right so but then

03:44:06.360 i think that would bear out in the data in the sense of then men would it's hard because the averages

03:44:12.360 might still be the so you think the top promiscuous woman is having way more sex than the top 1.00

03:44:16.440 promiscuous man oh yeah oh yeah 100 i think if a woman is promiscuous she's able to sleep with way 1.00

03:44:21.080 more men than if a man is promiscuous so like an nba player drake like if we're talking at the top

03:44:27.160 so he's not having so women are because it's like you for for someone to be at the top you you chose 1.00

03:44:32.360 drake or yeah yeah but for a woman to be getting sex to be and being promiscuous she just basically 1.00

03:44:38.520 needs to be a woman because we're all when we also look at body count the ones at the very top 1.00

03:44:43.480 are men like that are sleeping with hundreds and hundreds of people there are more men doing that

03:44:47.480 than there are women doing that so that has been shown so i don't necessarily know what we're comparing

03:44:52.520 here well yeah i mean it is hard right because we're comparing people who are promiscuous and then

03:44:56.920 men versus women and then the number the highest body counts are obtained by men and then we look at

03:45:02.520 averages men on average also have more so i don't know where we're drawing this conclusion that

03:45:07.400 all we have is the accessibility argument and that hasn't translated to anything we've seen

03:45:11.880 in behavior other than brian's feelings well i mean it's i don't need a study for example to

03:45:20.840 know that and i think you would actually agree with me here that it's easier for women to get laid

03:45:28.040 it's easier for women to get laid but women aren't as interested in just getting laid with as many 1.00

03:45:32.600 people is that so you think so as men are yeah i mean this is an argument you you would make men

03:45:37.160 are more they're less sexually selective so i think women you like you guys are kind of jealous

03:45:41.480 of something we don't even want which is that like a lot of men like want to us like we're like okay

03:45:45.720 and you guys are putting yourself like oh i wish i had that because i would all these

03:45:49.320 men okay but we're not doing that just because they're all in our dms we're not it's not actually

03:45:54.280 well it's not clear to me that that uh i think there's plenty of women that 1.00

03:45:58.520 engage in hookup culture and they are uh it's a minority of people on both ends now maybe more

03:46:06.920 men would want to that's true if they could i agree with that but women even though they can 1.00

03:46:13.080 most of them still aren't i don't think that's true that's what the data says and that's so i know

03:46:21.160 you haven't seen your data well can i pull it up i mean you're just denying like this is and this is

03:46:27.560 just this is what's happening is that most women aren't taking these opportunities you guys think 1.00

03:46:33.160 just because we're out on the street and all these men would have sex with us you guys know that women 0.99

03:46:37.240 are you guys say in the same breath women are very selective they only want to fuck this type of 1.00

03:46:41.000 man and then in the same breath you're saying oh but they're fucking everybody and they're super 1.00

03:46:44.760 promiscuous i mean yeah there's rampant promiscuity and where are you getting that from because 0.99

03:46:52.200 most people seem to just have one partner and they're having most people have just one i just

03:46:56.440 said over 80 percent in that 20 that gss study if you actually go into it and they start um

03:47:02.120 differentiating between partners you find that most the majority of people when they say have you had

03:47:07.080 sex in the past year they've had sex with one partner they're in relationships or they're in

03:47:13.400 marriages the the data actually shows that there's a i think it's uh 20 of women if we're going based

03:47:20.280 off of the pew uh research that's been done that 20 of women are whether they know it or not are

03:47:28.600 actually in some sort of polyamorous situation in other words they're sharing a guy but they're still

03:47:34.680 sleeping with that one guy thinking they're in a relationship so how is that evidence of promiscuity

03:47:39.560 in fact wouldn't it be the opposite no well because then you have a smaller purport then you have

03:47:44.600 men who are getting no access to sex that's true and i think that at times that men get no access

03:47:49.880 to sex it's probably because they don't want they want it but they can't get it whereas when women 1.00

03:47:53.960 because there are more women that aren't having sex they're choosing you can make that argument but 0.96

03:47:57.960 there are more women except in 2018 that aren't having sex than men and you could argue that's by choice 0.94

03:48:03.160 but if you're saying women are more promiscuous then that probably wouldn't be the case right 0.99

03:48:06.680 what wouldn't be the case that women are choosing not to have sex more than men are 0.91

03:48:13.800 if they're super promiscuous well i would have to see the the new gss well you just said the gss

03:48:19.480 what does the new gss study show that men are there are more sexless men or sexless women because

03:48:24.120 except for 2018 it generally shows that women are more sexless than men and they're doing so by choice 1.00

03:48:30.280 and you're saying because they have it's not clear to me that that there's truth to that though

03:48:34.920 i mean how would you how would you for example how would you for example explain the the incidents

03:48:42.120 of men who for example are incels yes i do think there is a small portion of men and there is no

03:48:48.360 woman could be an incel i agree but that doesn't mean that because there are men that are incels and

03:48:53.080 women that no woman could be an incel that women are more promiscuous i don't see how that is related to 0.51

03:48:58.680 that it's like a how is that more um i feel like from the women that i know at least um they typically 1.00

03:49:06.680 like if it's a woman who does want to engage in casual sex she typically wants to find like a guy

03:49:12.360 that can just be like a hookup partner um she doesn't typically want to like sleep around and 1.00

03:49:17.960 that's typically pretty easy to find like a guy who's willing to do that obviously but yeah i don't

03:49:22.120 find that like many women just want to like sleep around and get all these like guys whereas the 1.00

03:49:27.160 opposite i think is true for men sometimes women generally are sexless by choice and for some men

03:49:33.880 it's by choice but for a lot of men it's not by choice which is counter to your argument that women

03:49:38.440 are more promiscuous because so many of them are choosing i think you could argue all women are 1.00

03:49:43.800 choosing to not have a higher body count than they already have because we all have the opportunity to

03:49:48.440 but okay hold on this okay the thing is is a lot of men by necessity have to be monogamous

03:50:01.240 okay so wouldn't they be so and women don't but most women still are so aren't they less promiscuous 1.00

03:50:08.440 no because if you're you're unable as a guy if you are unable to act on your desires to actually secure 0.89

03:50:16.280 sexual access from a lot of women then yeah so therefore women are more promiscuous so 1.00

03:50:23.160 you're making arguments that i don't think support your conclusion wait are you when you say that 0.70

03:50:28.040 women are more promiscuous do you mean that they're actually having sex whereas men are not more 1.00

03:50:31.880 promiscuous not necessarily because they don't want to have sex but because they're actually not

03:50:35.320 able to find the partners that women are like is that how you're defining promise so how are you

03:50:39.800 defining promiscuity if men were capable of getting sex very easily then i would say yes more men would

03:50:47.160 be promiscuous however very few men are capable of engaging in promiscuity so i would argue that there

03:50:54.680 are more women who are successfully who are successfully promiscuous than there are men and i don't think

03:51:01.880 that's not borne out anywhere that's all i'm saying it doesn't seem that women even though they have 0.99

03:51:06.120 the opportunity they don't seem to be taking those opportunities and yeah it's true that there are

03:51:11.240 more sexless men who don't have options but that doesn't support the conclusion therefore that women

03:51:15.640 are more promiscuous but if it's if it has to be acted upon and women aren't acting so if there was 1.00

03:51:23.400 if there was equality in the sexual marketplace then yes men would be more promiscuous because that's 0.98

03:51:28.920 men's sexual strategy is to sleep with a whole bunch of women so what i'm saying is what we're seeing is

03:51:33.880 that women have all these options and they're choosing generally except for some women who do 0.90

03:51:38.040 want to engage in hookup culture most of them the vast majority of them are choosing to have sex with

03:51:43.240 one partner if we're looking at all the the gss studies and all that okay well we can go we could

03:51:49.960 circles on this here let me i want to wrap up the show so uh we have kvmoga or wait uh brian the of

03:51:57.400 girl increased her sales 13 after fnf and throwed them under the bus begging beginning beginning of 1.00

03:52:03.800 the podcast no integrity she's a bs lawyer and have bs facts i didn't increase it 13 i said overall the

03:52:11.240 poll i did shows 13 is coming from all of these appearances slash like like business insider did

03:52:17.000 a piece on me like those kind of things so word i wish it was 13 hopefully i can go check right now

03:52:21.800 my income went up by 13 after this let's see okay there you have it folks hopefully uh oh last

03:52:28.280 question we're not gonna get to uh the logan paul stuff tonight because we're just it's been waiting

03:52:33.560 until since 7 p.m to know what the hell's going on with logan paul uh last just last question would uh

03:52:42.840 would you date a guy who legally owned a firearm let's start with you i think it depends on the

03:52:48.920 context if we live out in the back you know in the wilderness in alaska somewhere yeah absolutely

03:52:53.080 if we're setting i mean i would just be confused as to why he felt the need to have it i don't know

03:53:00.040 it just doesn't seem necessary it's a it's a tool right it's it's a self-defense in an urban setting

03:53:06.840 i mean that's where you need it the most ideal i mean

03:53:14.200 here we'll let everybody answer but okay jasmine we'll go with you and we'll go uh

03:53:18.760 would i date a guy who legally owns a firearm yeah sure just one yeah i'm good with just one

03:53:25.880 she don't need a whole one he owns a couple whatever sure why not yeah i definitely would

03:53:33.960 i have like a weird fear of like an intruder at night or something and i do like the idea of like

03:53:39.880 we have one just in case yeah uh my husband has several firearms so yes absolutely okay uh so you

03:53:50.120 said no well i don't i'm not anti-gun like i think recreationally they're fun and you know it and i think

03:53:59.000 if you i just i don't know and for me i guess i don't have very much experience in an urban setting

03:54:04.520 you know in a populated area i just i like doesn't like i don't know in i don't know in my mind it's

03:54:10.840 like oh you need a gun because there's you know some sort of animal or something like that and it's

03:54:14.440 just like i don't know i i guess i haven't thought about much about it yeah i don't i mean there's ways

03:54:19.960 to prevent that that's a very preventable thing is it you can prevent you can lock your doors you can

03:54:25.160 have you know security footage you can have alarms well security footage you can live in a building

03:54:29.560 with a doorman like okay let's say you don't have any of those things well that's what i'm saying

03:54:36.280 if you have security cameras it's a circumstance where it would make sense for you to need a gun

03:54:42.920 then yeah i guess but your current place you live do you is there a doorman no i i live in a community

03:54:49.560 of college students and it's there's a very large police presence and i lock the doors and close

03:54:56.120 the windows at night and it's fine okay uh well okay here's a scenario right let's say you

03:55:01.720 living with you do you live with your boyfriends i do not you don't okay maybe one day you're living

03:55:07.000 with a partner uh three men are starting to break into your house that you share with your boyfriend

03:55:15.400 uh would you want your boyfriend to have a firearm to defend the home defend you in that situation i

03:55:24.600 mean i don't think it's necessary that he has a gun to defend like i mean turn on all the turn on all

03:55:29.880 the lights hit the car alarm startle like you know call the police call sure you know that's not they're

03:55:35.880 not there but so that's not sometimes you don't have enough time to just right but i don't you know i

03:55:41.240 don't think having a gun is necessarily perfect in every situation either it's so much more complex

03:55:46.200 than that and also you know if if they have a gun and you have a gun like no one's winning that you

03:55:51.480 know i mean if you're a good shot but uh quick i mean you just quick okay it makes sense in some

03:55:58.680 circumstances i'm not about this how about this uh none of them have guns okay would you prefer your

03:56:05.240 your boyfriend to attempt to expel the evaders with his own fists or with a gun i mean

03:56:15.320 i don't know i don't know i think if they if it's possible if it's if it would be realistically

03:56:21.240 possible for them to be freaked out that there's people home because in my mind when someone's

03:56:26.600 breaking in they're not they want an easy thing they're not trying to have a fight they're trying

03:56:31.240 to go into a home where no one's there you don't know that what what if let's say you have kids too 0.98

03:56:37.480 who knows these guys are deranged fucks they're on meth whatever who knows i mean 0.97

03:56:44.120 i i okay i they i don't know what you're trying to tell him like he doesn't you're okay you have a 1.00

03:56:51.320 you can choose any weapon for your boyfriend it could be a fucking trebuchet it well that doesn't 0.91

03:56:56.920 make a difference you can give them a trebuchet but they they don't have a weapon they just have 0.98

03:57:01.560 their hands but it's three of them and one of your boyfriend well the weapon doesn't matter it's a

03:57:07.560 weapon the gun versus a giant knife i mean it's gonna have a similar similar difference between

03:57:13.560 getting into a knife fight well okay okay well i think in my when i think about it i think about it

03:57:19.400 if you walk out with a rifle in your hand regardless if you actually shoot it even if there's ammo in it

03:57:26.280 that is what's going to do the scaring so if you walk out with your massive katana or whatever

03:57:31.080 that's also going to have a similar effect of that's what's doing the scaring away of the intruders

03:57:36.360 or you know katana and glock

03:57:42.360 haven't you seen those like action movie scenes where like the guy comes out like

03:57:46.200 wielding all these knives and then they just shoot him and fights over yeah wait so okay

03:57:51.960 i don't know do you want your partner to have a firearm in that circumstance

03:58:05.160 i mean i i don't i don't think having a like specific firearm is gonna make like a huge difference

03:58:13.800 i mean maybe i don't know would you would you rather your boyfriend defend you with a firearm or with his

03:58:19.640 fists well obviously a firearm any weapon right it doesn't matter but i think i think it's kind

03:58:25.080 of a moot point because there's so many ways to kind of prevent the situation and there are there

03:58:30.280 yeah really if you had your home broken into home infusions where people are in the home is is pretty 0.98

03:58:37.240 rare it does yeah it's actually it's only pretty rare or rarer in places like the united states in

03:58:43.320 places like the uk it's actually a good thing we live in the united states but why but do you know why

03:58:47.720 that there's the difference a lot of people say it is because of the firearm ownership in the united

03:58:52.760 states because those like i forget what they're called hot break-ins when you're actually home and

03:58:56.840 someone breaks in they're they're very very common in other places but not here and it is because

03:59:02.440 i think there's the fear of the firearm right you you're just and that's fine people can be scared

03:59:06.840 of a firearm that doesn't mean well i mean they've they've done studies like kind of doing like

03:59:09.800 correlations separated the very variable just the thought i don't even yeah and that's a pretty

03:59:15.240 easy thing to do especially like if you're looking at somewhere like like europe obviously there's a

03:59:19.400 i would always love to have more variables in a study rather than fewer but that is one of the

03:59:24.200 pretty i mean you also have like demographic overall crime and so like what about and so

03:59:28.520 was this found in europe in general or just the uk because the uk specifically is the one i'm

03:59:33.400 familiar with so i'd be curious as to like all because france or sweden or denmark or these places too

03:59:39.000 because they tend to have less crime in general if and they don't have firearms either so i'd be

03:59:42.520 curious australia you know i'm not saying that the the i don't know about the rates of break-ins

03:59:47.240 but we're talking about break-ins happening versus you're here versus you're not there yeah

03:59:50.920 so i'm curious if it's just because if it's just uk i don't think it would lead because we'd

03:59:55.080 have to see if it was in other countries too also ideally different u.s states sure all right

04:00:01.640 there you have it folks uh any final thoughts before i wrap up speak now forever hold your

04:00:07.880 subscribe to my only fans don't do that guys don't do it don't do it they will final thought

04:00:16.840 i mean i had all these questions ready and we never got to them what were your

04:00:21.800 what were your questions no it's too it's too late now last bender the offender donated 99

04:00:29.400 if i were a thief sneaking into your house and iu your partner is pointing a 12 gauge at me i would

04:00:35.560 leave yes and if my if my partner also you came in through the garage and you walked in turned on

04:00:41.480 the light and started screaming at you and then hit the car alarm button you would also probably leave

04:00:47.160 depends what their motivation is i've never heard the car alarm one like someone's going off like

04:00:53.240 hit the panic button yeah make people run away because it causes noise neighbors

04:00:58.280 loose pussy energy donated 99 brian's new intro welcome to the insufferable podcast welcome you 0.92

04:01:06.920 could have been anywhere in the world you probably should have i apologize for that drugs and alcohol 0.66

04:01:13.960 highly recommended all right there you have it uh lpe thank you very much much appreciate it uh final

04:01:22.680 thought lauren there uh thank you so much for having me on i appreciate it and if people want

04:01:27.560 to hear more of me you can find me on youtube lauren chen oh got another one raven dt donated 100

04:01:35.480 this is why military service should be compulsory for both men and women it's clear none of the women 0.96

04:01:41.240 have been in a life or death situation even military pilots carry firearms when on military flight

04:01:47.400 tops over hostile territory yes and i'm very grateful that we have a military so i don't have

04:01:54.280 to be in a life or death situation on a daily basis that's why we have a military to protect ordinary

04:01:59.560 citizens and of course military aircraft have weapons on board it's a military aircraft that

04:02:04.760 makes sense and we're lucky to live in a country where we're not facing those situations as much as

04:02:09.000 other countries are the majority of us are going to go through our lives without a life or death

04:02:12.600 situation and we should all be grateful for that and i don't think men's only role in society should be 0.62

04:02:17.160 protecting women in this post-apocalypse these scenarios that people come up with word by the

04:02:23.480 way why did you change uh your name from roaming millennial to just your name oh i started doing

04:02:30.200 in-person events and with a lot of older people as well because it's like right conservative politics

04:02:35.320 and they were really weirded out by a screen name they did not understand like yeah you are the

04:02:40.360 roaming mile so what's your name it's like no but that's like what i got it was just easier to

04:02:44.040 yeah probably better to go with just your name and no one does that that's so 2016 to have the

04:02:50.760 screen name moniker thing people usually just do the name now so yeah or there's just some people

04:02:56.120 that still want to like have some semblance of uh like anonymity or privacy even yeah that's true

04:03:03.000 that's true but uh but that also makes in-person events harder too so oh yeah i can imagine well it was

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