Pregnancy WORSE Than War？! 300+ Body Count？! $1,000,000 To Date Her？! Andrew W! ｜ Dating Talk #243
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8 hours and 56 minutes
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186.69495
Hate Speech Sentences
580
Summary
On this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have a special guest on the show to talk about Bitcoin and Bitcoin related topics. We also talk about how much it costs to kick someone off the show, and why it's a good thing we don't live in a world where Bitcoin is valued at $10,000 USD.
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of other stuff. And if you're my Caucasian, you will join the Discord. This is from... Was
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this... No, this is from... Andrew was on one of these previous ones. We've put... There's
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a bunch of behind the scenes featuring Andrew. He always, for some reason, Andrew Wilson
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here, my Caucasian, always gets into trouble whenever he's here in the studio. So I don't
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know. Somebody is trying to always attack you. You always get attacked. It's weird.
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I didn't do nothing. Nobody attack Andrew tonight, okay? Please. Please, preferably. But we post
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behind the scenes, so like all the crazy happening... I tell Brian if it happens again, I get hazard
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pay. Yeah, it's true. It's true. And let's see. Oh, disclaimer. The views expressed by the
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guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. By the way, we are down
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one person. Chad, I want your input on this. We had somebody running... Not Andrew. Andrew
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gets a pass. But we had a girl running 30 minutes late. And she came all the way from
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L.A. And I had to turn her away. Chad, do you think that's fair? Do you think that's
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fair? If you're going to be 30 minutes late to something, better luck next time. You know,
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you got to show up on time. If you... You know, we give a little leeway if you're 5, 10, maybe
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even 15 minutes late. We'll accommodate it. But 30 minutes late, that's crazy. And she blew
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up. She got mad at me because she was 30 minutes late. Let me know what you think.
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If I should have accommodated or it's just like, hey, you're going to be 30 minutes late
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to a production? It is what it is. Anyways, with that said, without further ado, we're going
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to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name, age, occupation,
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Hello, I'm Shannon. You can find me online at Shannon, S-H-A-N-N-O-N-D-A-V-I World, W-O-R-L-D.
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Thank you for the shameless plug. How old are you?
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I'm 29. I live in Los Angeles, and I have four small businesses. I'm mainly a content creator,
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and I run a marketing agency, and dabble in a few other things, pet sitting, stuff like
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Yes, I am college educated. I have my bachelor's.
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I think we talked about this last time. Yeah, that's a thing at Columbia College, Chicago.
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Like, is it the same branch of that school in New York, Columbia?
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It's not associated or affiliated with Columbia University.
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And performance. Okay. And it's a bachelor of art?
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Or, okay. And that's, do you have a other, a minor or anything?
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Did you think that was maybe a bachelor of science?
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I was minoring in, like, communications and PR, but I didn't end up following through
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No, no, no. I was getting a minor in communications slash PR.
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Yeah, actually, I started there as a musical theater major, and then I switched to comedy
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Hey, y'all. I'm Guidance. I'm 37 years old. I'm from Louisiana originally, but I moved
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to California to be a professional chef. So I have a soul food restaurant here in Santa
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Barbara. I do a little TV and content creating, stuff like that. I'm also a pastor, so I have
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a pretty forward-thinking church here locally. And I'm currently getting my degree in culinary
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All right. And, sorry, did you say your age? I might have missed that.
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37. Got it. And so you're from where originally?
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All right, nice. And you are, do you already have a bachelor's degree or you're working
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Working on it. Okay, got it. All right. And you said you're a chef?
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Okay, we'll come back to that after the introductions. We'll explore that. What about you?
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Hi, I'm Natalie Stavola. I'm 37 from Los Angeles, and I am a career and dating coach for men.
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Okay. And age? Oh, sorry, you said 37. I meant to say education.
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Sure. Florida State University, bachelor's in psychology with a minor in propaganda and media.
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Minor in propaganda and media. And it's a BA, right?
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I actually did. It's a BS, but when I graduated right before, they offered me the BA because I did
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take a lot of just random philosophy. Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
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Sure. So they offered and they said, do you want a BA or a BS because you have enough credits to have
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the BA? And I told them, I was like, I can't say I have a BS degree from FSU. Just put BA.
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Lived in Florida for a long time and then moved out to LA about 11 years ago.
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Got it. And you said there was a minor in propaganda. So what?
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Media, communications. I was double major criminology and psychology for a while and then
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switched over to psychology and communications. I just focused more on PR propaganda.
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Got it. Does propaganda have a negative connotation though?
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Sure. My name's Joey, aka the Filipina Latina. I'm a cosplayer and a streamer. I also am an
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accountant during the day. So we wear many hats. I'm 38 years old.
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Currently I'm living in Vegas. I moved around a lot. Navy brat.
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Navy brat. Okay. Gotcha. And any education, any degrees or anything like that?
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I have a certificate, but I never got to fulfill my college career yet.
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Got it. Okay. And you said you do cosplay. Cosplay?
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And you don't have like OF or anything like that?
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Got it. Okay. And how long have you not been doing OF?
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OF? OF specifically, that platform, it's been, I don't know, probably over a year. I was doing
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some like exclusive content on a different site, but it was really more just like more
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risque pictures. Nothing. You know, it gave me an opportunity to talk to people on a more
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Gotcha. So you deleted it or is it still active?
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It's probably, it's, it's not active. It's there, but it's not active.
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Okay. Gotcha. And Shannon, did you, you used to do OF too?
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Got it. Okay. And you were like top percent or something?
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Yes. Okay. And have any other involvement in anything else like dancing, like stripping?
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Yeah. I used to do burlesque. I did OF for a little while back in Arkansas. So yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Make a lot of cannabis content and adults.
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Wait, you combined cannabis content with burlesque?
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With burlesque, with my spirituality. Cannabis is a big part of me. So even my church is centered
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It's like a fancy word for, it's like a fancier stripping kind of.
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I know. I know. My degeneracy skills are not up to snuff. Who is?
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She's like a famous burlesque dancer. Like the most.
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I feel like this is a circle. I'm like, what is this dancing? And you're like, this chick
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is, well, who's that? The chick who did that type of dancing?
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I will say burlesque dancers consider it more of an art form.
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It's less. It's like, yeah, it's a stage, right? Whereas I guess like at a strip club, like
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the burlesque dancers, they don't do like private rooms.
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No, no. There's no stripping. Usually. I mean, you can.
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They do that shit at a theater. There's a strip club, right? It's like.
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I'm offering a $500 reward for a comprehensive degeneracy cheat sheet. I'm not ever caught
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not knowing what these terms mean again. Okay. We're off to a great start. Yeah. And so.
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Someone's going to take that seriously. Watch. Yeah. And then what was like the nature of
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your OF? Were you doing solo content? Was it a boy, girl content? Solo girl, girl, sometimes
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mostly revolving around cannabis. Yeah. So you guys would be like, like making out and
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there's cannabis in the background? No, we're usually smoking a J. Like, is there like a
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bag of like cannabis on your head or something? No. Like the, like footlong bongs and blunts
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and beautiful. Okay. Okay. I'm honestly, I'm a little surprised to hear that because I didn't
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think that they allowed smoking on there. You have to be very creative with cannabis content
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in general, but especially when you have like OF platforms like you were saying. Yeah.
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I mean, that would be, we're just one step too far to let pot. Right? How dare you?
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Just that if you're really crossing the threshold there. I like that. That's what I do. Cross thresholds.
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What about you? Hi, my name's Gabby. I'm 18. I'm from Michigan. I currently work at a hostess,
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as a hostess at a steakhouse and I completed high school and did some college. Okay. And, uh,
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you did some college. What, what were you studying or? I just did art education. So it was mainly art
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focused classes like drawing, studio art. Um, I had an English class as well in another class,
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but I forgot what class that was. All right. What about you? Hi, my name's Wen Yu. I'm from China.
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I'm 29 years old and currently a visiting PhD student at the UCSB in linguistics. All right. And, uh,
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uh, how far, do you, do you have your master's? Yeah. Okay. From China. Gotcha. And, uh, how close
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are you to, uh, getting your PhD? Have you done your dissertation or working on it? Working on it.
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Working on it. Okay. And you're, you got another one year, two years? Um, hopefully one or two years.
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And, uh, but you said you started working on your dissertation. Does that have a title?
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Not yet. Not yet. Um, and you said you're studying linguistics. Yes. Uh, can you tell us a bit more?
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Is there a specific thing you're working on with that or? Yeah. I focus on like interactive forms
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such as interjections and discourse markers in Mandarin, like well or oh, like if I give English
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examples. Yeah. Like little items like that. Give us an example in Mandarin.
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Um, for example, uh, uh, would be like a filler. Yeah. Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. Okay. All right.
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And, uh, where, where are you from specifically in China? From Shandong province. It's like five
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hours drive from Beijing. From Beijing. Got it. Okay. North. Got it. Cool. What about you?
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My name is Felicity. I'm 19 from Santa Barbara. I'm a full-time student majoring in business.
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All right. Welcome Andrew. What about you? Yeah. I'm Andrew Wilson, the host of the crucible.
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I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, uh, engaging debates and conversations all over
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the world. I'm happy to be with all of you here tonight. All right. Welcome everybody. We're
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going to go around the table once more. So what's everybody's current relationship status?
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If you're single, how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been
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in? Go ahead. All right. Well, I'm in a relationship and I, my longest relationship was
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around two years. I've been in this current relationship for a year and a month.
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All right. One year, about one year. Uh, how did you guys meet? We met on Bumble.
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Oh, what was your opening message? I don't remember. We were actually, I know our first
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conversation was talking about Easter and that he was with his family and I was a little confused
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because on his profile, part of the reason I matched with him was because it said he was
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Jewish. So I was like Easter, but I guess his family is half. So they celebrate both, uh,
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holidays, Passover and Easter. And so we chatted a little bit about that. You were looking specifically
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for someone who's Jewish? Yeah. Is it because you're Jewish? I'm Jewish. Yeah. All right. And
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the two-year relationship who broke up with who? Um, it was kind of mutual, I would say.
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Mutual. Yeah. Okay. All right. What about you? Oh boy. Um, recently engaged, like in the last week,
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um, have a wonderful fiance. Um, before this, uh, was married to a man twice. So two different
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marriages, both to the same guy, different guys, different guys. Okay. Yep. Then I've been married
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to one other, uh, woman. And so I've got, um, I would consider myself a lesbian, but you know,
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at times I've been kind of bi. Um, I'm also right now monogamous, but prior to this engagement,
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I've lived a polyamorous lifestyle. Um, I preach that openly at my church. So, um, longest relationship
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would probably be to my ex-husband. We were together like 12 and a half years, something
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like that. Uh, let me just get a bit of clarification. So you were married twice, right? Um, in terms
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of chronological timeline, you were married to a woman also, correct? So is that three marriages
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total? Uh, yes. That's right. And then in terms of chronological timeline, can you just tell
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us like, was it, was it the man, the man, the woman, or like, what was the order, I guess?
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Funny. Uh, yeah. So man, man, then woman, woman, and now again, almost yeah. Woman again. So
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wait, so you've been married three times. Oh, but then you were in a relationship with another woman
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and now you're currently engaged to a woman. That's the same woman. So
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okay. I see. And then this fourth one to my current fiance. And you're engaged and she's a woman.
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She's a woman. Gotcha. Gotcha. Um, and then also, uh, you said you're polyamorous. I'm more
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monogamous now recently. Um, uh, you know, it's a struggle. I'll be honest. You know, she knows
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I'm honest about it. Um, monogamy is a struggle for me. Um, even being very religious and being
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a pastor, um, I have different views than most on relationships and monogamy, but I'm doing
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it. Couple, couple further clarifying questions. Um, the length of your marriages, uh, the first
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marriage, how long was your first marriage? Like three years. And was it monogamous or open?
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Uh, monogamous. That was, yeah. Okay. Uh, your second marriage, uh, how long did that one last?
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That one was longer. Um, we were both very deep into church. I was a deaconess. He was a deacon.
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We were in like a traveling gospel band. That marriage and relationship was, uh, 12 years. It was
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mostly monogamous until right up at the end. Um, when we opened my, our marriage up because I came
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out. So, Oh, okay. And you said towards the end and it was a 12, you were married. So what'd you say
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in like, was it year 10, year 11, year 10, my ex-wife right there at the end. Oh, okay. All right.
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Man, this is, there's a lot of lore here. Um, okay. So, and then, uh, how long, excuse me,
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how long was your third marriage? That one? Oh goodness. Seven years. Seven years. Yeah. And
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how old were you when you first got married? Um, oh goodness. Uh, 1920. Yeah. 1920. Okay. And then
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the guy who you married, how long had you been dating him prior to the marriage at 1920? Three
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years. Okay. So you guys were like high school sweethearts then? No, he was 13 years older than me
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or still is. Um, so. Wait, and you met when you were held? Um, that one, I was 26, around
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26 or so. Wait, I thought you, wait, but I thought you met him when you were, uh, 19.
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That was my first. There's a lot to take in here. I know. I'm trying to keep up.
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That's right. That's right. So, okay. Wait. So you, the first one, your first marriage was
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at 19. 19, two or three years. Okay. But you had been dating him like maybe like how soon
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after meeting him did you get married? Okay. So I grew up as a Jehovah's witness. I didn't
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really date or do any kind of interacting until I was 19. Met him online. This was back
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when like Yahoo Messenger and AOL Messenger was still a thing. Okay. I think we chatted on
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that platform for about a month or two before he met me in person. And then we had like a
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three year relationship. Okay. Got it. Okay. I'm not celebrating Christmas. Um, yeah. I
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was like, Oh yeah, he celebrates Christmas and birthday. So I'll give this a shot. I had
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never done that before until I was in my twenties and never celebrated my birthday or anything.
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Yeah. And so you've pretty much been, it sounds like there weren't really long periods of being
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single. No, you were married, married, married, married pretty much. Uh, I mean, what was the
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longest break from my, I guess the age of 18 to now at 37, uh, like of actually being
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single, I guess, or not married, I suppose. Um, a couple of months. I mean, so little that
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I really couldn't even date when I was single. Like I couldn't tell you at what chronological
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point I was actually saying, well, I've always been active. Got it. And, uh, I'm trying to
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parse all this information that's coming at me. It's a lot. I should have went last.
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No, it's good. It's good. And, uh, you said you were a Jehovah's witness. Uh, are you still
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like, what's your denominator? You're Christian, right? Um, Christian, uh, slash a little Shinto,
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a little Buddhism. My church kind of incorporates spirituality from a lot of different religions.
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Um, especially like nature based, a little bit of Christianity, but you know, it's mostly
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love that neighbor, love the earth and love yourself. That's a church of spiritualism.
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Yeah, pretty much. It's called the water. So very, very nature. Well, we'll come, come
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back to that. I'm sure Andrew has a couple of questions on that one, but we'll get everybody's
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relationship status. So, okay. Uh, and your longest relationship you said was 13 years, 13, 12
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years. Okay. Currently. And how long have you been seeing your current partner? So we met
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on new year's day this year, got engaged, uh, on Valentine's day this year. Um, that's
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when I asked her to marry me and then she turned around and asked me to marry her like a week
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ago. So double. Okay. So you guys been together for about five, six months, six months. All
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right. That engaged very. And you, you proposed in six weeks. She was also, so like with you
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with the Jewish thing, I really thought that was interesting. Cause like for me and her, she
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had also shared a Jehovah's witness past for almost the same amount of time as me. And
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that was like very connecting for us, uh, for her to understand that part of my history
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and vice versa. So we connected really fast. Okay. All right. Uh, and you said, uh, you
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were a deaconess. Yeah. Was that when you, was that under Jehovah's witness? No, that's
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Baptist. So that 12 year marriage. So what's the transition from, you start as Jehovah's
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witness, correct. And then you became Baptist and now, and then was there, were you a Presbyterian
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or what was the transition to where you're at now currently? I would honestly say atheism.
00:24:39.160
I went from a very strict, uh, religious, you know, lifestyle for the majority of my life.
00:24:45.960
Um, I, you can't really leave being a Jehovah's witness once you commit. Um, so like the shunning.
00:24:51.500
Yeah. So I got shunned or disfellowshipped as they called it. Uh, can't talk to my family
00:24:56.220
or friends or anything, mom, you know, all that. So still like you, you're not in touch
00:25:00.840
with your, not really. No, my mom passed. So I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah. Uh, what about
00:25:05.340
like other family that's still Jehovah's witness? Have you, no, no. When's the last time you spoke
00:25:09.440
to them? Years. Um, I was raised by a white family for 10 years also. Were you adopted or what?
00:25:15.920
She basically, I mean, she was also a Jehovah's witness. My mom was going through a really hard
00:25:20.520
mental time. And so she came in, you know, changed my life. They really did. Um, she's
00:25:25.800
also a witness, so can't really talk to her. So left that or got kicked out of that, went
00:25:31.920
into the Baptist religion. When I met my ex-husband, he was already really deep in the church.
00:25:37.160
So that just really took off. You ever miss dating guys or are you kind of over it? Um, yes
00:25:45.320
and no, I mean, it, we've only been together, me and my fiance six months. So before that
00:25:50.140
I had dated a guy or two, you have to be really special to slip through that gate for me, so
00:25:54.400
to speak. Um, so I don't really miss it, but you know, yeah. And then final question here,
00:26:00.160
you said you've, uh, you're, you've had periods of polyamory. Yeah. Uh, so I guess, uh, what,
00:26:07.980
when was that? Very recently. I mean, it's, it's a more recent thing. Okay. And then you
00:26:12.980
were, uh, what's the most amount of people you've dated at one time? What do you consider
00:26:19.320
dating? Just like hooking up with all the way to like a relationship? Did you have poly
00:26:26.380
partners where you're like, you have multiple. Yeah, there were definitely some polycules.
00:26:31.120
There was multiple polycules. Okay. Yeah. What tell us about the polycules? Oh goodness. Well,
00:26:37.580
I mean, for me, I would probably say four at the, it was like the max of me dating at the same time,
00:26:43.640
those four people, but then especially back in the South and being in the LGBTQIA community,
00:26:50.260
there's not a lot of us. So like those same four probably dated the same four who dated. Yeah.
00:26:56.140
Okay. And what, what was the break, uh, the gender breakdown for the polycule? Was it?
00:27:01.940
Honestly, it was mostly girls and those girls' boyfriends. I'm not sure why those girls'
00:27:07.280
boyfriends seem to have a thing. But you were just dealing with the, the,
00:27:10.320
it was a group of four girls or was there one guy?
00:27:12.600
Separate girls. Okay. Four different girls and. I see. Okay. Got it. Wait, and they had boyfriends?
00:27:18.960
Most of them did. But would you be like dealing with the boyfriends too? Yep. Yep.
00:27:24.080
So you were the unicorn? I guess so. Yeah. For the four, the what? Oh, the unicorn.
00:27:32.660
The magical creature. It's like if a boyfriend and girlfriend are looking for a threesome,
00:27:36.960
the, the third person, the third party is the, is the unicorn. Okay.
00:27:44.700
Are unicorns referenced in the Bible at all or no? No. Okay. So I haven't read that.
00:27:50.020
Cause I just, I don't know if they're like co-opting unicorn or something. Anyways, um,
00:27:53.200
there's so much, we'll come back to some of that stuff. No, it's great. No need to apologize.
00:27:59.340
I was just asking you some clarifying questions, but what about you? Go ahead. Okay.
00:28:03.280
What was the questions again? Yeah. How do you follow that?
00:28:09.040
But I'm having a field day as a dating coach and my mind is like, okay. Um, yes.
00:28:14.000
Can I have you just tilt your mic down slightly? Perfect. There we go. So it's, uh,
00:28:18.080
what's your current relationship status? How long have you been single? If you're single,
00:28:21.660
single for about a year, longest relationship, five years, longest relationship, five years,
00:28:26.900
who broke up with who in the five-year relationship? I broke up with him on the five
00:28:30.140
year. And was the five-year relationship, the one that ended a year ago? No, that one was, uh,
00:28:34.780
like three years, three years. Who broke up with who in that one? I think he broke up with me.
00:28:42.000
That one was kind of mutual. Okay. Or mutual. Sure. I'm sure he broke up with me on that one. I can't
00:28:47.540
remember. Got it. Okay. What about you? Uh, longest relationship. I was married for 13 years. Um,
00:28:54.240
I'm currently single. And the last time I dated someone was probably six months ago.
00:29:00.320
Six months ago. All right. The marriage, uh, who broke up with who? I ended that. You ended it.
00:29:07.720
So you filed for divorce? Yes, I did. Only marriage? Only marriage. Only marriage. Okay. Uh,
00:29:12.900
what? Um, I don't want to go into too much detail, but there was, um, these terms. What's
00:29:18.860
only marriage? Wait, what? Only marriage. Wait, what did I say? Oh, I meant if it was
00:29:24.220
her only marriage. Oh, her only marriage. I was like, does that mean two OnlyFans people
00:29:27.980
are married? Like, what does that mean? He's learning a lot today. Only marriage.
00:29:32.020
No, just if it was, uh, if she had been married. Okay. Uh, no, it was my only marriage. Uh,
00:29:37.340
there was DV involved. So yeah. Got it. Okay. And, uh, did that, and if you don't want to
00:29:43.500
talk about this, totally fine. Was that something that was always present in the relationship or
00:29:47.260
manifested later on? I think those are things that kind of happen. It's like a cycle on and
00:29:52.340
off. So it was always present. Not a lot in the beginning. Eventually. Yeah. Got worse. Got it.
00:29:56.680
Okay. And you said you've been single for six months. Was that when the marriage ended or is
00:30:01.340
that a different relationship? I've been divorced about five years. Five years. Got it. Um,
00:30:05.280
the last person that I considered seriously dating was when we ended, it was about six months ago.
00:30:10.080
And how long were you seeing him? I want to say maybe eight or nine months. All right. It was a
00:30:15.320
long distance relationship. So it was different for me. Very different. Who broke up with who?
00:30:19.160
I want to say it was mutual, but honestly, I'd say he did. Yeah. All right. Got it. What about you?
00:30:26.960
Um, my longest relationship was a year. I'm currently single. I've been single for like
00:30:32.620
two, three months maybe. Um, and then I had a relationship not too long ago. So,
00:30:38.860
oh, sorry. Got it. Uh, the one year relationship who broke up with who? Um, I broke up with her
00:30:47.320
because we were having issues from previous circumstances and things that happened.
00:30:54.380
Okay. Uh, and actually I think it might be worthwhile to go around the table on this.
00:30:58.740
Uh, what's your orientation? Are you bisexual? I'm bisexual. Bi? Okay. Yeah. Have you, uh,
00:31:03.860
your most recent relationship? It was with a guy. It was with a guy, but the longest was with a
00:31:08.840
woman. Is that correct? Okay. Uh, got it. Okay. So bisexual. I think, oh gosh, I don't know. I would
00:31:18.140
consider myself straight. I've only dated men, but I've definitely experimented with women. So not
00:31:23.440
dating specifically for a relationship. Got it. What about you? Same straight experimentation,
00:31:29.560
but straight. Okay. Uh, by. Lesbo. No, I'm kidding. 99.9% of the time. Yeah. All right. What about you?
00:31:39.080
Bye. Okay. Bye. Um, and then your relationship status? Uh, I'm single. Single? I've been single for
00:31:46.020
two years and a half. Uh, my longest relationship was like three years and a half. It was like with
00:31:52.960
my high school classmate. And then I went to Germany as an exchange student. It was long
00:31:58.080
distance relationship. And I felt like I broke up with him. Got it. Yeah. Okay. And the three-year
00:32:05.440
relationship, you said it was in, it was in high school? From high school. You knew him from high
00:32:10.780
school, but it was when you were a bit older or? Uh, it was like from the third year of high school.
00:32:15.800
Okay. And until the third year of my bachelor. So you were, uh, like 17, 18 when you met him?
00:32:22.380
Uh, I knew him. And then you dated him until like 20, 21? Uh, I started dating him when I was like
00:32:27.240
17, but I knew him from maybe earlier when I was even 13 or 14. Okay. Got it. And then you said,
00:32:34.740
is that your only relationship you've had? No. You've had others? Yeah. How long were you in Germany
00:32:39.260
for? Um, one year at that time. One year. Do you speak German? I do. Uh, can we get a little
00:32:44.720
demonstration of some German? Oh, nice. There you go. Uh, did you, did you date in Germany at all?
00:32:53.060
Yeah. Did you have a boyfriend? She said that like with a German accent. Yeah. Uh, no, it's good.
00:32:59.340
Uh, you didn't, uh, how long were you dating the guy in Germany? Um, actually I went to Germany twice
00:33:06.320
and I had different experiences like in, like once in Cologne and once in, uh, Eastern Germany,
00:33:12.560
like, but none of them was with German guys. So like. It was, uh, other like Chinese international
00:33:19.360
students or? One time with a Chinese international student, one time with an Indian guy. Got it. Okay.
00:33:25.860
Uh, did you date, like maybe even go on a singular date with a, like a German guy though?
00:33:33.020
Hmm. I think he was born in Brazil, but he immigrated to Germany. And have you, besides
00:33:41.200
Germany, have you lived anywhere else for an extended period of time? Not really. So
00:33:45.840
China, Germany for like the year, you said it was a year? Uh, like, uh, two years in total
00:33:50.580
because I went twice. You went twice. Okay. And then you've been, you've been in the U.S.
00:33:54.720
for how long? Uh, I came here last September last year. Okay. So you've been here for, uh,
00:34:00.020
what, nine months, nine months, more or less, 10 months. Yeah. Do you speak German or English
00:34:05.800
better? English better. Yeah. And, uh, you speak three languages or do you speak more? Um,
00:34:12.300
I have learned more than eight languages, but I, I'm only fluent in English, German and Chinese.
00:34:18.900
Got it. Okay. All right. Got it. Okay. So you're, you've been single for two and a half years.
00:34:25.120
Have you done any dating here in the United States? Not yet. Nothing? No. And no,
00:34:30.900
any dating apps or anything like that? No, I actually don't know what to do. And also like,
00:34:35.900
like rationally, yeah, I think I shouldn't date here because I'm, I need to go back to China next
00:34:42.780
year. Like I don't see the like relationship going anywhere. And I was heartbroken in my last
00:34:50.720
relationship and it took me, I think more than two years to almost recover. So you said you've
00:34:58.580
been single for two and a half years. Uh, was that, uh, what was the length of the relationship
00:35:03.300
from two and a half years ago? It was actually less than one year, but it was devastating.
00:35:09.240
Devastating. And that was in China, that was in China? In China. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. All right.
00:35:14.320
Uh, cool. Felicity. What about you? I'm in a relationship. It's the longest relationship
00:35:19.980
going on two years. All right. Andrew Wilson. What about you? As possibly the only actual
00:35:26.900
heterosexual here at the table. Been married. What the fuck? How are you going to throw me
00:35:35.240
under the bus like that? Possibly the only heterosexual. It's possible. And as Andrew as the possibly
00:35:42.240
the only, the only one has never experimented with a member of the same sex. Um, Hey, I
00:35:47.060
saw your stream with Jake earlier. You got a little, you guys got a little cozy. I'm just,
00:35:54.280
you know, yeah, it's never too late. Yeah. So, uh, I'm happily married and have been for
00:36:00.080
a long, long time. All right. Rock and roll, rock and roll. And then, uh, Oh, orientation
00:36:05.520
straight, straight. Okay. And then Felicity straight by Andrew gay.
00:36:12.240
Are you a gay man? Um, we have some chats here. We got to get to, and then we'll get
00:36:17.400
to some. I'm a lesbian. Andrew, Andrew's a lesbian. He's actually a black lesbian. Okay.
00:36:24.260
If it doesn't work out with your, do you have a type by the way? Uh, woman. No, I actually
00:36:29.520
like white girl. Do you like white women? I do prefer white women. You prefer, is your
00:36:33.220
current fiance? She's a, she's a, she's a, got it. Italian and Latina mixed. Okay. There you go.
00:36:39.060
Spicy. Yeah. All right. FYI. Uh, Oh, he bought something on our, uh, merch, merch store. Pull
00:36:45.920
up the, yeah. Shop.whatever.com. It doesn't tell us what it is, but I'm assuming given the
00:36:50.120
price, it was a, Oh, plus a donation there too. Thank you, man. I think he bought, he
00:36:54.620
must've bought a hoodie. I probably bought a big labia matter hoodie. Thank you, man.
00:36:58.820
Appreciate it. Uh, there's, well, we have a lot of bisexual women here. I'm just curious.
00:37:02.900
Do you guys have a preference? Like, do you prefer innies or outies, Andrews?
00:37:10.260
Do you want us to go in order to answer that? Yeah. If you're bisexual, do you have a preference
00:37:15.140
for innies or outies? I prefer my partner. So, and he has. That's a great answer. Okay.
00:37:19.900
That's a man. He doesn't have anything. Same. Cause I'm sure mine's watching, but that's
00:37:22.840
also an honest answer. But I, I like my ladies thick. So. Oh, okay. You like. I love that
00:37:27.880
shirt. It's yeah. That you found on the hoodie. Okay. Yes. I have no preference. She doesn't
00:37:35.980
care. All right. Um, Andrew, do you think this is appropriate to pull up? Um, I mean,
00:37:46.580
probably I would still do it, but probably, probably yes. No, it's probably not. Um, chef
00:37:53.340
dill pickles. Here's what we're going to do. We got a, uh, it's probably a, I want to be
00:37:57.120
respectful to the panelists here. If you send in a $10, I'll treat it as a, uh, I'll
00:38:01.760
treat it as like a TTS and we'll read it. You're going to have to send in something
00:38:05.560
more appropriate. That's the chef dill pickles. Uh, it's, uh, he's being slightly
00:38:11.780
racist. So I can't pull it up. Uh, can't pull it up guys. Uh, and by the way, keep the
00:38:17.320
discipline good in the YouTube chat as well. Moderators keep, keep the discipline. Uh,
00:38:23.640
yeah, JJ mad. I'm not pulling up your super chat. Keep the discipline good guys.
00:38:27.100
We're not going to pull up, uh, like anything race related or anything like
00:38:31.640
that. So, uh, yeah, really quick coastal operator. It's below the threshold, but I
00:38:37.140
want to respond to that. If you've got the hookup for the white jazz cups, do you
00:38:41.880
have the 16 ounces? Cause I need to get my hands on some. Cause I, I contacted the,
00:38:46.920
the, uh, what's it called? The supplier, not the supplier, the group manufacturer
00:38:52.260
directly. They said, yeah, we stopped making them 2022. So coastal operator,
00:38:56.960
can you just bump a DM on Instagram or wherever? Yeah. Just bump a DM on
00:39:02.560
Instagram at whatever. And I would appreciate the hookup guys. If you want to
00:39:06.500
get a message in a hundred dollar read TTS is 200. And then you can also support us
00:39:11.720
Venmo cash app, whatever pod. And then let me see what else there is. Like the video
00:39:17.620
if you're enjoying the stream so far. Thank you guys. Okay. Uh, let's see,
00:39:22.920
where do we begin? Andrew, I think would be interested in, uh, exploring the whole
00:39:29.200
pastor thing with you. Um, although it sounds like you're not strictly Christian.
00:39:34.620
No, with your, with your religion. So you're just a spiritualist, right?
00:39:40.460
We incorporate many different religions into our practice. Okay. So when are you
00:39:44.240
a universalist? No, I wouldn't really say that because there are some things that
00:39:49.940
really don't align with, um, I would say my teachings are viewpoints, but we don't
00:39:56.040
turn down any viewpoints as long as the religion or spirituality is based in love
00:40:00.620
and respect for the planet we live on and its people. We pretty much align. Okay.
00:40:05.720
Whatever that is. Yeah. Okay. All right. So let's see here. Where do we begin? We're
00:40:13.600
going to start with, uh, Shannon here with your notes, Shannon, you previously stated
00:40:21.160
that you will not date, uh, somebody who makes less than seven figures. Has that
00:40:29.460
changed at all? I said seven figures. Yeah. You said you only date six to seven
00:40:35.520
figure or six, six or seven. Okay. Fair. Figure earning men. And you'd love to discuss
00:40:42.380
your experiences. Sorry. So. Oh, were you laughing? Like, oh, okay. I think she sneezed.
00:40:49.060
Oh, it was a sneeze. Oh, okay. I thought it was like a, it was a laugh. It might've been
00:40:52.700
a laugh. All right. I'm going with laugh. We can talk about it. Um, go ahead. So yeah,
00:41:01.140
we talked about that in our previous show that I was on that I did previously date men who made
00:41:10.080
six or have six to seven figures. However, my current relationship that I'm in, he, it's
00:41:17.640
a little complicated in regards to that. However, I have negotiated for myself that sort of want
00:41:28.180
in a partner because he brings so much else to the table. Like what? Well, we have a lot
00:41:38.580
in common. We have a lot in common. Like I mentioned, we're both Jewish, so we have religion
00:41:45.240
in common. I mean, we're both not super religious, but we do have where we grew up celebrating the
00:41:51.200
same holidays and having similar traditions and stuff like that. But you don't go to temple
00:41:54.180
any of that. We used to go to more of like a reformed sort of temple, but we stopped going
00:42:02.220
because it was outside and it's just kind of gross to, it was like in a park. It was weird.
00:42:09.080
Maybe we'll start going again if they like start doing services inside, but when it's too cold
00:42:14.780
out or too hot, it's weird. Uh, we also are both into comedy. So he's, uh, into comedy writing
00:42:21.160
and performance as well. And yeah, we just have very similar like wants for our future
00:42:28.140
and stuff like that. So what's he making? Um, so he does a few different things as well
00:42:35.600
for income. I don't know his exacts of what he's making. Um, but he has a lot of different
00:42:41.580
investments. So do you make more than he does at the moment? I think I might actually, it depends
00:42:50.880
on the month and what we're doing, but some months I probably do make more, but he, in
00:42:56.920
the grand scheme of things has more resources and things like that. Gotcha. Okay. So you
00:43:04.800
don't know how much your person you're dating makes? Well, he doesn't have like a standard
00:43:11.860
job. He's more like a gig economy type with his work. Like he does video editing and he'll
00:43:19.240
do stuff in the arts for film and stuff like that. Um, but he also just started his own
00:43:25.160
business with my help. Cause I run my own businesses, a few of them. So he's starting
00:43:29.900
a photo booth company. So that's kind of new, but he did have some help from his family and
00:43:36.380
starting that up. So that's where it's a little complicated.
00:43:41.720
Well, like his specific like income, it's like, he's maybe not making money yet from the actual
00:43:46.320
business, but he has like family income resources, things like that.
00:43:50.280
So you definitely will date outside of a six or seven figure bracket.
00:43:54.400
I mean, it depends on the person. I normally before meeting him would have probably not been
00:44:00.280
that open to it just because of my previous experiences with men who've brought in that
00:44:05.280
type of income and just being kind of comfortable with like upper middle-class life. Uh, but like
00:44:13.640
I was saying, he has so much that he like brings to the table and we really get along and yeah,
00:44:29.940
But before him, my past two relationships had, uh, more income coming in from like working
00:44:39.240
Gotcha. Now, did you do a lot of content creation, right?
00:44:42.860
Yeah. So did you meet this person? Cause they were doing like clips for you or something
00:44:46.460
No, we met on Bumble. Yeah. We went on a dating app.
00:44:50.220
Oh, okay. Gotcha. All right. Well, I guess, um, I don't have the notes here.
00:45:00.140
All right. Um, sorry. You have to get up. I'm like, I just couldn't keep that going.
00:45:26.960
Do you want to let us know why it would taste weird?
00:45:39.420
And I think the, like the, it's probably not harmful, but like the, the filter or something
00:45:50.660
I think it smells, it tastes fine, but it smells weird.
00:46:10.940
Does the water taste, the water taste, the water taste, the water taste.
00:46:30.400
Chat, can you help any scientists in the chat help us out?
00:46:34.580
So, I had, this was like one or two months ago, we bought octopus from Costco.
00:46:45.740
And I kept it in the refrigerator for one day and then we used it during the show and
00:46:54.600
I think, this is my hypothesis, theory, I don't know, whatever.
00:46:59.200
I think somehow, and mind you, the octopus was plastic wrapped.
00:47:07.200
I think somehow the octopus is so powerful, it seeped into, seeped into the air of my refrigerator
00:47:18.720
and somehow it's, it's been, it's not been in there.
00:47:23.280
It was in there for one day and I've cleaned the refrigerator.
00:47:26.100
Minuscule, minuscule particles of octopus have somehow, I don't know, this might not make
00:47:46.060
But for what other reason would the, it smell like seafood?
00:47:51.220
Well, there's a, like just a possibility that the filter's broken and whatever the chemical
00:48:05.660
Well, when you open your refrigerator, do you get whiffs?
00:48:11.700
That was just my, like, really stupid low IQ hypothesis of, okay, there was octopus in
00:48:18.780
there, like, in a day, but it permeated somehow and there's just octopus particles and then
00:48:32.480
No, chances are pretty good that there's just like a bad filter and the compounds smell
00:48:40.420
Does someone know if, if that's possible to have a filter that can smell like fish?
00:48:46.340
I'm looking at what, let me see what the chat says.
00:49:20.080
I know you guys want, want us to talk about like dating and whatever, but I can't be having
00:49:49.620
And I ran all the glasses through the dishwasher with the soap last night.
00:50:06.300
Like I, it just, a brand new one got put in like two months ago.
00:50:09.620
But how did we get to the octopus in the dishwasher?
00:50:12.500
Because I figured, he said it was in the, in the refrigerator and then it, but it doesn't
00:50:17.520
So I'm like, well, maybe he washed the octopus in the dishwasher.
00:50:26.560
You should have just, you should have just allowed the octopus water.
00:50:28.140
No, I'm sure someone would have figured that out.
00:50:32.460
It's not too, too bad of a smell, but it's, it's there.
00:50:40.720
And Andrew's been drinking it for the past three days.
00:50:49.820
I have been drinking a lot of alcohol for three days too.
00:50:58.640
Let me check if there's any chats that came through.
00:51:11.480
We have, oh, we have some people who bought some merch.
00:51:22.900
Looks like we have Dwight who also bought a hoodie.
00:51:29.940
If you want to get this new merch we got, Big Levia Matter.
00:51:33.620
Mr. Enigmatic, immediately get an octopus in the dishwasher t-shirt.
00:51:45.880
Like I said, I can't pull it up, but if you want to revise one, 10, just 10 bucks so I can
00:51:51.380
Uh, oh my, there's a lot of chat to get through.
00:51:53.360
So, uh, your current boyfriend though, I don't know if you guys discussed this while I was
00:52:00.280
Uh, how much does he, your current boyfriend make?
00:52:06.460
It's complicated because he's part of like the gig economy and he also has like some investments,
00:52:17.740
Um, and he just started a new business and he's getting some help from family with starting
00:52:23.840
So that's why I say it's a little complicated because he's got his hat and a few different
00:52:39.680
And basically we've been together for a year and it's kind of like his commitment to obviously
00:52:47.680
being loyal and to having a future together, but it's not an engagement because we're just
00:52:55.860
Uh, he knows that I have pretty like high standards when it comes to like the person I'm with and
00:53:04.280
So he wants to work for the next year to get me a better engagement ring.
00:53:11.600
I think I haven't heard about promise ring since high school.
00:53:19.560
And then, uh, you wanted to, these are your new notes.
00:53:24.480
You'll be talking to your doctor about skin removal surgery.
00:53:28.060
Is that, that's the most recent ones you sent us?
00:53:33.360
Last time I was on the show, I was down about 80 pounds and I've maintained that weight loss.
00:53:41.580
So I've basically been losing weight for like two years.
00:53:44.500
The first year I lost the 80 pounds and then this past year I've maintained that loss.
00:53:50.920
And so now I'm trying to basically do it again.
00:53:54.180
And by the time that I do another like 75 to 80 pounds, I'm planning to get skin removal surgery.
00:54:01.320
So I'm talking to my doctor about that right now.
00:54:04.140
And that's kind of like what I document of my own content of kind of like my glow up weight loss journey.
00:54:26.060
She was going to be here, but she was 30 minutes late.
00:54:31.540
We have, like, the notes Nazi, like the same as the soup Nazi.
00:54:38.140
I have something that I want to talk about with the skin removal.
00:54:45.420
Um, so the reason that I'm thinking about it now is because I'm trying to talk to my doctor
00:54:52.800
However, my boyfriend has given me the money to get a tummy tuck.
00:55:03.700
Like, we've, we've discussed what I, you know, can share on the podcast.
00:55:06.820
Don't you usually when you do a tummy tuck, though, you do all the weight loss first and
00:55:12.400
So we're trying to plan out when that tummy tuck's going to happen, but I already have
00:55:16.300
the money to either do that or if insurance can cover that, then I want to get, like,
00:55:30.600
Uh, here, I'll do chef tail pickles really quick.
00:55:32.740
Uh, the agent chef that taught me how to cook would always put the octopuses in the dish.
00:55:48.560
Don't put your octopus in the dishwasher, ladies.
00:55:52.980
Crypto Haydo bought, uh, shop.whatever.com, bought a, looks like a BLM hoodie.
00:56:22.080
Um, you said in your notes here, one time you hooked up or a guy you hooked up with.
00:56:29.420
Well, I'll read it as you wrote it, but one time a guy you hooked up with dated, hooked
00:56:35.380
up with and dated lied to you about his age because he knew you wouldn't get with him
00:56:45.780
I thought it was something else, but yeah, he lied about me, lied about his age to me.
00:56:54.500
I was, I was 17 turning 18, but I was very strict on how, like, much younger I dated because
00:57:02.340
He's in the same age range as her and that's just weird.
00:57:14.860
No, that's, I mean, he, I don't think there's, is, is there an issue there with the 17 with
00:57:20.200
I mean, not, not necessarily, but it's just more uncomfortable.
00:57:24.360
Oh, yeah, and it was just uncomfortable with me because it's just weird.
00:57:29.460
Uh, you said that traditional, you think traditional values that are pushed onto men and, and women
00:57:36.720
in relationships, wait, hold on, was there more to that?
00:57:55.020
Oh, you had a guy try to tie you up with a bandana?
00:58:12.940
I made a, I made a joke about something that was happening on TV, and then he was like,
00:58:18.120
And then started to get up and grab it, and I was just like, what are you talking about?
00:58:39.980
So it was, any dating topics or takes you want to speak on, if so, what, to which you
00:58:45.220
wrote, I think traditional values that are pushed onto men and women in relationships
00:58:52.780
So are you against traditional values that are pushed onto men and women, or are you in
00:58:59.840
I mean, it's, I think it's really up to what the people, like, the people in the relationship
00:59:04.800
But when you're trying to push that agenda onto people who aren't practicing that, that's
00:59:17.440
I mean, it's like, it's just judging people for living their life the way you don't want
00:59:25.340
Like, it gets, like, let's say a girl's out sleeping with multiple people not in a relationship
00:59:30.880
and then someone who, like, is in the long term, they just start hating on that person.
00:59:36.860
I think it's just mind your own business because it's not your life, I guess.
00:59:43.160
Do you think it should be that way just with strangers?
00:59:45.420
What about people that are, like, in your family?
00:59:47.460
I mean, in your family, you can advocate it, but it gets, like, if, you can advocate for
00:59:52.040
having a better dating life, but if you're pushing it in a way that's shaming them for
00:59:59.220
how they're doing things, then it's inherently negative, I guess.
01:00:09.640
So if somebody, I'm trying to think of an example here.
01:00:13.160
If a guy didn't want to date a woman because of her body count and he was, he prescriptively
01:00:27.760
Yeah, but he's trying to instill his, like, he's trying to put out to the world, like, don't
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But if you're calling someone a slut because of it, then that's where it gets foggy.
01:00:48.820
And then I noticed in some of your Instagram photos you wear a cross.
01:01:00.940
I was a Baptist for most of my life, and I just fell out of the belief when I was in middle
01:01:08.640
school, and recently I've been wanting to get back into it.
01:01:13.600
And then you also wrote, oh, as far as disagreements with the show, you said you had a lot, but
01:01:23.040
I can't pinpoint it because I just have a really bad memory.
01:01:29.940
So you said probably his opinions on body count.
01:01:36.540
Well, I can't remember, but I think it's just, like, the fact that it matters.
01:01:53.800
If you're looking for some of a little body count, then look in that dating pool.
01:02:03.620
If you count, like, BJs, fingerings, all that stuff, does your body count change?
01:02:20.960
I'm just curious, like, is the criteria for body count just penetrative sex?
01:02:25.580
No, because I think that rules out a lot of non-heterosexual things.
01:02:28.040
Yeah, because then, like, homosexual women, that wouldn't be a body count then, right?
01:02:33.560
Well, I think you would have a separate category, but the heterosexual body count, I think, strictly
01:02:41.740
So if a chick was like, Brian, I'm a virgin, but I sucked 100 dicks, that would be, like,
01:03:01.480
I think if you suck a dick, you've got to add that to the body count.
01:03:06.740
Oh, I just reminded you of something, didn't I?
01:03:11.040
Yeah, I want to talk about Bonnie Blue at one point today.
01:03:16.220
I mean, I'm pretty sure, like, half the things she does and says are just lies just for attention.
01:03:25.700
Yeah, I mean, she faked a pregnancy, like, both those, Bonnie Blue, who's the other D-Gen?
01:03:31.680
Yeah, they're just, I think they do some D-Gen stuff, but I think a lot of it is just,
01:03:36.200
like, oh, I'm going to do the most, like, claim I did the most salacious thing, or, you
01:03:41.620
know, I don't think they actually do a lot of D-Gen, D-Gen, D-Gen stuff.
01:03:52.680
But I think they sensationalize some of this stuff and they just make it up because they're
01:03:56.620
like, oh, I don't have to actually do the thing.
01:03:59.000
I can just say I did the thing and still receive the benefit.
01:04:02.360
Do you think that that chick, Bonnie, is really in her 20s?
01:04:12.760
I mean, she should be lying about her age, but I don't think she's in her 30s.
01:04:21.080
I think she's had some work done, which makes her in the face.
01:04:32.820
Oh, the BJ, does that count towards body count?
01:04:36.320
I mean, like, for example, Andrew, I wouldn't say a woman whose body count is zero, but she's
01:04:42.260
given 100 BJs is nearly as desirable or the same as a woman who has a body count of zero
01:04:59.020
But what if she's only had one body, right, given zero BJs or anything, and the other one
01:05:15.600
So it seems like you do categorize it as at least on par or something close to on par with
01:05:21.320
Yeah, but I mean, I could, I would say, like, okay, a woman who's had three bodies, but
01:05:26.100
she, it was like, it was group sex is, could be arguably worse than a woman who has three
01:05:34.140
individual partners or even, like, four or five, like, individual bodies, but they were,
01:05:43.060
But I just think that, like, if a dude, you know, if you, like, finish it in a chick's
01:05:48.280
mouth, like, I'm just going to count that as the same thing, dude.
01:05:53.440
I mean, perhaps you could ask, it would be fair to ask a clarifying, like, okay, well,
01:05:58.000
if your, your, your sex body count is this, what's your job body count, I guess.
01:06:03.680
But I wouldn't call it a, fuck, maybe we could throw it in there, but I've, when I think
01:06:15.480
Maybe, you know, maybe there's been a lot of, a lot of, you know, the girl claims.
01:06:37.860
Here's the other thing that I've, oh, I have, I had something on this is so, and maybe the panel,
01:06:44.560
the women on the panel could weigh in on this too, is, so there's the body count, right?
01:06:49.820
You could have a girl who has a body count of one and a body count of one.
01:06:53.980
But if you look at the specific guy that each of those women was with, that could have an impact.
01:07:01.860
Like, even if it's, she has one, she, she has one.
01:07:05.180
If they dealt with a, just like a filthy dude, like just a scumbag.
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Like, like I'd almost like a grimy, like a fucking grimy dude.
01:07:16.680
Like if it was, I don't know, like, who's a fucking grimy dude?
01:07:19.900
Like Lil Xan or Tekashi 6ix9ine or like NLE Choppa or the Island Boys.
01:07:30.680
Google Images, just so the girls here know what I'm talking about.
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If a girl's been with a grimy dude, that's like an amplifier.
01:07:42.440
I don't, yeah, I don't think it's just like who she slept with, with that one too.
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I think you're also questioning why she's with that person and if she's overcome her trauma and like, if she's addicted to chaos.
01:07:54.520
These guys, can you like, like, open a new tab?
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If a girl has had sex, if she's only had sex with one of the Island Boys, that's like 30 bodies.
01:08:17.100
So that's another component of the body count discussion where if she fucked a grimy dude.
01:08:30.640
So if it's like, a girl's slept with two guys, but only once each, but slept with one guy a hundred times.
01:08:43.380
Oh, that's an interesting, well, it could almost go both ways, couldn't it?
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Because on one hand, a one night stand is kind of grimy.
01:08:54.400
Uh, but then, whereas the other one, you would say, well, it was like a long-term committed monogamous relationship, but then, yeah, shit.
01:09:05.780
I don't know, that's a, I would frame, you know what, here's how I, here's how I would frame this, right?
01:09:12.060
And there's probably variations based on like, if you start going more, if there's like more.
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If a girl has one body, and she slept with a guy one time, versus she had a boyfriend, and she slept with him a thousand times, honestly, I would prefer the girl who just slept with a guy one time.
01:09:50.800
Really, even if it was a long-term relationship.
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She's being monogamous and safe, you're just like, no thanks, I want the one night.
01:09:57.360
No, I'm not saying, hold on, I'm not saying I wouldn't date, I'm not saying I wouldn't date her, I'm just saying what would be more preferable.
01:10:04.280
So the, I'm not excluding the one in the long-term relationship in the one v one example he gave, but so you're saying three one night stands versus one, I'd pick the one in that situation.
01:10:18.640
But if it's like equal for equal, so, but then if it starts getting, hmm.
01:10:25.380
Uh, 10 one night stands or 10 long-term relationships where they had sex a hundred times each.
01:10:31.740
So how do you know they had sex a hundred times?
01:10:40.520
Nah, at that point I would take the 10 one night stands if I had to choose between it.
01:10:44.540
Because the long, I mean, if you're in a long-term relationship that's failed nine times, that's a problem, right?
01:10:49.620
That's a bigger red flag than, than just having, oh, that's interesting.
01:10:54.240
That's, I didn't think of it that way, but yeah, that would be, yeah.
01:10:58.020
But then, I mean, the other one's not great either.
01:11:01.860
Yeah, well, this is, you got to push the button, right?
01:11:04.680
This is the, this is the body count trolley problem.
01:11:21.640
Yeah, if, if a girl was a virgin but fucked one of these guys, I'm sorry.
01:11:28.240
I think it's also because they're from Florida.
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Like, if they, if a girl has sex with a grimy dude, it's a, it's like a amplifier.
01:11:45.540
Yeah, if you, if you're, if you are sticking to something and something nasty and you're
01:11:52.020
What would be the, I wonder what, who's like a grimy chick?
01:12:01.860
The ones that I think are bad, though, probably aren't that bad.
01:12:04.520
Oh, I mean, we could, we could use her example.
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Like, if you knew a guy had, well, it's different though, because girls, like.
01:12:14.020
Okay, if, do you guys know who Lily Phillips is?
01:12:21.240
I know, sorry, I don't like anybody in my scene.
01:12:26.520
It's like, she's worse than the Island Boys would be the other way.
01:12:28.980
Brooke Candy is like an Island Boy, but as a woman.
01:12:40.700
But so, going back to you, what, what were the disagreements, I guess?
01:12:51.960
So, okay, of what you just heard, and we were talking about grimy, women sleeping with grimy dudes.
01:13:04.760
I'm pretty sure they did OnlyFans together, too, or had something on Twitter.
01:13:14.040
But, like, if a girl tells me that she, like, slept with a famous rapper, I'm just like, ah.
01:13:31.000
Gene Simmons, rock stars actually have talent, so I'm going to have to say, you know, it's, although.
01:13:44.600
So you're going for, like, Metallica fangirl over Diddy fangirl?
01:13:58.020
All right, who's, like, a big rap artist right now?
01:14:14.960
Yeah, because then she has at least good taste in music.
01:14:18.220
Like, if she fucked, like, Axl Rose from Guns N' Roses or some shit.
01:14:23.020
Like, yeah, I'm going to give her, although, man, that guy's, he's been around since the 80s, so that's a rough one.
01:14:30.720
Is it different for you if she actually, like, was in a relationship and dated a, like, famous musician and then they broke up?
01:14:53.600
If we get back, if we get back to the B question here, right, if they blew one of the Island Boys, wouldn't you consider that the same thing in that case?
01:15:08.940
It's still bad, but it's, like, it's the, what's it?
01:15:16.740
So, like, if, if they just, like, held hands, then kissed, then, like, second base, oral sex, full, you know, sex, it's, it's the progression of disgust.
01:15:44.960
Okay, no, but, but, so, when we were talking about, like, is it a body, I wasn't even attributing necessarily to, is it as bad or not?
01:15:53.240
There could be some dispute over whether oral sex is, in terms of the disgust response, is as bad as sexual intercourse.
01:16:53.000
So, look, ladies, me and Andrew here have just been talking about grimy dudes and body counts.
01:16:57.780
Are you guys going to push back at all on this?
01:17:03.600
I think we're all kind of in agreement, but the thing is though, how are you going to
01:17:07.380
know if somebody who's maybe not famous, but still equally grimy?
01:17:11.120
Like there are men out there who sleep around crazy and don't talk about body count.
01:17:14.960
So like, I get you're having the discussion about it, but it's like, I don't know how
01:17:18.260
to like, well, women don't, women don't have the same intuitive disgust about it that
01:17:28.960
So, um, paternity tests, those are pretty recent inventions, right?
01:17:34.000
How would men assure paternity before a paternity test?
01:17:37.900
The way that they looked when the Bobby, when the baby came out.
01:17:42.120
What would be the best way to assure that the child was yours?
01:17:44.920
Make sure that you're the only one having sex with her.
01:17:47.900
So for the, for the assurance of reproduction for the purposes of survival, right?
01:17:54.780
It's, it makes sense why men have this kind of like revolt carriage to women with multiple
01:18:00.860
So they want to assure that that's their offspring.
01:18:04.800
It also is detrimental to the mother because then they can just deny it.
01:18:14.540
And that's why that revolter disgust is there for men.
01:18:17.120
You don't think that that's societal in there too?
01:18:21.060
Um, I don't know if there's, this is just what you find socially when you, when you,
01:18:26.100
you know, when you, uh, give different polls and different questions between the sexes.
01:18:37.380
Just that they seem to care about it less than men care about it with them.
01:18:41.060
Or a different reason why, like for women, it'd be protection or safety because if you
01:18:49.600
So if you use that terminology with someone, a guy might go revolted, a women, we might
01:18:53.780
forgive more or something, or we might look at a different angle.
01:18:57.720
That would tell me that it's just not as, as prominent of a deal breaker as it is for
01:19:02.800
Or if we, maybe if you just did how you ask, you know, cause I do think that there's women
01:19:06.740
that are going to be like, I don't want a guy that's sleeping around too much because
01:19:09.900
I don't want to catch something or I don't want to.
01:19:11.860
But let me like, here, I'll show you a big distinct difference that I think will maybe
01:19:16.580
So if you tell a guy, well, you know, there's a woman and she's 28, 29 years old, right.
01:19:24.860
They think, well, that's a pretty good catch, right.
01:19:29.440
But the flip side is, is that women will often reject men at 28, 29 who are virgins because
01:19:34.060
they think what, what the fuck is wrong with this guy that no woman wants him.
01:19:43.820
And then also I have a lot of clients that are thirties and forties who are virgins.
01:20:01.920
Andrew is going to need it with all these lesbians.
01:20:05.380
History and Bubba Jacob bringing all the race jokes to life on the other side.
01:20:30.140
By the way, they better not be, and if they are, they should probably shut that stream
01:20:38.200
If they were to do something that stupid, you know, they should probably not do that.
01:20:52.140
But jungle, thank you so much for the champagne pop.
01:20:58.920
Sorry, you guys can continue on with your conversation.
01:21:01.960
So you were talking about your clientele and how they don't really care.
01:21:07.660
As far as for being a virgin, if the guy's insecure about being a virgin, he'll naturally
01:21:14.180
go towards and by accident date women who will say something like that, right?
01:21:19.040
But the more he heals from that insecurity, the more that all of a sudden he's naturally
01:21:23.920
But as far as societal, we've noticed that certain countries don't necessarily consider
01:21:32.860
Spain, for instance, women are very much so more sexually dominant there.
01:21:37.740
They even go half on the bill or pay the bill is usually that kind of.
01:21:44.060
So some of it's societal, some of it's very primal, of course.
01:21:47.840
Like you want to make sure that you're procreating that your seed is, that's yours.
01:21:51.720
So of course there's something to it on that one.
01:21:53.680
So I think it's also how you phrase the question to someone.
01:21:59.380
I don't know if it, I don't know if it would be how you phrase it.
01:22:04.240
If you ask a woman, hey, would you care if you were dating a guy and he was sleeping around
01:22:08.440
with a whole bunch of women, you know, while you guys were in a relationship, I'm sure
01:22:12.660
she's going to have like a repulse factor in that, right?
01:22:16.800
But that's not really what you would ask, right?
01:22:19.300
So what the question determines is like, if you're asking previous partners, right?
01:22:24.900
So if you were, I think if you were to keep all things equal, right?
01:22:29.220
And you were to say to any number of different women, there's a man here who has a 100 body
01:22:36.720
Versus there's a woman here to the same equal amount of men who has a 100 body count that
01:22:41.280
the men would be far more revolted by that than the women.
01:22:44.260
And I'm just saying with that one, sometimes we notice that that has a little bit to do
01:22:48.000
with society, like in Spain compared to here, for instance.
01:22:53.420
So I'm picking up on a lot of words, like you said, primal.
01:22:58.540
I think you said something about like when you're selecting a mate to procreate and everything.
01:23:03.960
Like for me, body count and like putting value on anybody, male, female, whatever, based
01:23:11.400
on who they've touched or not touched, like we're making equations and trying to figure this
01:23:18.420
But like at the end of it, like we're not in BC era.
01:23:22.720
We don't have to pick mates on how much they said.
01:23:27.080
Well, you can go get pregnant by yourself as a woman without a man even being involved.
01:23:31.440
So I just feel like we're at this point in our society.
01:23:33.740
Well, no, you definitely can't get pregnant without a man being involved.
01:23:37.000
So I guess what I mean is without intercourse or without worrying about how many persons that
01:23:42.320
man or woman have been with, I just think that putting value on a person because of body count
01:23:48.300
is so not 2025 because like we don't have to do that anymore.
01:23:52.680
Yeah, but it's still part of a survival mechanism.
01:24:12.320
So human beings are pattern recognition machines.
01:24:22.740
So you know patterns change because they don't fit the pattern that you're used to.
01:24:29.460
So if you're a pattern recognition machine and you notice a pattern between people who
01:24:40.800
Some people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
01:24:43.160
The reason that's ingrained inside of you to do, to make those risk calculations, is
01:24:49.600
And every human being does this, like all of them.
01:24:54.540
But you know, I just feel like as society advances, some of our mindset has to advance
01:25:01.500
Because we're not out here catching AIDS and STDs as much as we used to because we have
01:25:06.700
Because STDs are at almost an all-time high, I believe.
01:25:18.420
So that, to me, that says that more, you know, I may be wrong.
01:25:23.380
Like maybe if STDs are kind of on a rise or not going down, I mean, it seems like promiscuity
01:25:30.240
is in, in a way, because people who have STDs are obviously still having sex and having
01:25:41.500
Like it may be, well, there, there could be trends you could point to that promiscuity
01:25:46.980
But, but what is going up is things like sex work and the amount of people who are involved
01:25:53.340
Well, that is a place where you would grab a lot of STDs and get them out to the general
01:25:58.040
Your risk assessment for that is way, way, way higher.
01:26:02.180
You wouldn't actually need general societal promiscuity to go up just a small portion
01:26:06.840
of the society to engage in high risk behavior and then move it out.
01:26:13.400
It was a small subset of the population, but they were heavily promiscuous that moved out
01:26:21.360
I think it's also because there's a lack of sexual education in schools now.
01:26:28.760
Um, I, I took a sex ed class fourth grade just because of puberty and I had one, one
01:26:34.660
semester of one in seventh grade, but my high school never taught it.
01:26:39.100
My, this middle schools I used to go to, they don't teach anymore.
01:26:42.500
I don't know anyone who's younger than me who gets taught sex ed anymore.
01:26:49.580
He goes to a local high school and he's like, no, no, no one's teaching them condoms and STDs.
01:26:53.860
That's part of the general curriculum for most schools.
01:26:59.500
But also it's not like, you know, I've never really bought this.
01:27:02.820
The, the, there's not enough sexual education in schools.
01:27:06.140
There was a huge primary campaign run on that throughout the nineties and in the early two
01:27:13.400
And here's the thing, convincing me that the average 13 to 15 year old doesn't know anything
01:27:23.880
I don't, I, I, with sex education and everything, it's like, you're not going to really understand
01:27:29.460
a lot of it until you experience it or make the mistakes and you won't even hear it anyway.
01:27:35.080
A lot of it too, like trauma, trauma has a lot to do with whether or not you're escaping
01:27:40.740
So, you know, you can tell someone all day long, you shouldn't do this.
01:27:45.000
But they're, they're going to, I think trauma is a cope.
01:27:50.420
I think that a lot of women utilize the trauma excuse for their promiscuous past when they
01:27:54.920
really just wanted to get dicked down by a stud and they, what they do is they cope about
01:27:59.760
it and they're like, no, see the reason that I went down and got dicked down by so many
01:28:03.700
studs is because my trauma that happened when I was, when I was younger, this bad thing
01:28:08.860
happened to me and that's what made it so that all these handsome men just had to fuck
01:28:14.720
Maybe the younger ones, the older ones are owning it.
01:28:17.760
So I hear that and I think to myself, ah, you know, maybe not, maybe it's not the fact
01:28:22.760
that you were traumatized, but the fact that you just wanted to have sex with a lot of good
01:28:33.000
I think so that like if a guy said like, oh, I just had a really bad breakup and she really
01:28:37.200
broke my heart and you know, like, oh, I'm back on the streets, you know, the boys would
01:28:41.140
be like, yeah, yeah, get back on the streets, you know, but like when women do that, like
01:28:44.380
you said, it's kind of where you really hurt like this, is that really a trauma response
01:28:52.340
What it is, is they're doing this, they're going, look, my dating chances drastically go
01:28:58.300
down because I've slept with like, and now the numbers are astronomical, like 50, 60,
01:29:12.100
So, that's what they'll, that, yeah, that's what they'll say, right?
01:29:16.640
And so, if they do, right, their chances for having like the kind of more high status man,
01:29:22.060
especially in their 30s, is going to greatly decrease in comparison to women who haven't.
01:29:26.040
So, if that's the case, like, they have every reason to make an excuse to cope about
01:29:30.600
it, it's to be like, no, it's not my fault, it was some trauma that I had that got treated,
01:29:35.720
So, if you're still engaging in that behavior, so if there's a quality man who's healed and
01:29:39.700
he's ready for marriage and he's dating a woman who, obviously, you can tell if someone
01:29:43.440
still, like, doesn't love themselves and they're acting out and they're seeking love and validation
01:29:47.980
from other men, then sure, but if someone's healed.
01:29:59.360
There's a little bit, all it is is hypnotherapy, all it is is that you go in and you can rewire
01:30:04.240
or reframe some memories so that you're not as freaking loaded by them.
01:30:07.680
It's the least scientific form of, especially any sort of hypnosis.
01:30:14.120
But the thing that's interesting about this is, like, they don't, it's not that men are
01:30:22.780
So, playing the field for men who can, right, it's fun for a little bit and they just get
01:30:27.900
And it's not that they're healed from, they weren't traumatized, right?
01:30:44.720
They do get, in some ways, traumatized by women.
01:30:47.100
But mostly, it's just they're sick of women's bullshit, right?
01:30:53.220
Trauma is when you're, like, if you're getting actually abused, beaten, hurt.
01:30:58.260
Like, I've had clients that were, like, for men, actually dated narcissistic women, which
01:31:04.360
Not surprising for me, but a lot of people don't realize that men can be in abusive relationships.
01:31:15.820
But I'm talking, when I talk trauma, I mean that.
01:31:21.280
Yeah, but the amount of women who express that they've been traumatized, and then you
01:31:24.600
find out what they've been traumatized by is just the same rigmarole shit that most
01:31:33.540
Because now, right now, with, you see, like, influencers right now.
01:31:40.560
They take the word, and they overuse it to the point where, when you are actually having
01:31:44.860
that, or having trauma, or having abuse, it's like it's gotten so blown out of proportion
01:31:49.140
that, you know, the people who actually do need help, or do actually have it.
01:31:53.880
And so, what's happened is, every woman on planet Earth thinks she's a psychologist.
01:31:58.800
I have no idea why, but they read something online about narcissistic tendencies and traits
01:32:03.780
and don't realize how common the miscalculation between confidence and narcissism is.
01:32:08.840
Oh, that was a confident man who was assertive and aggressive in his boundaries.
01:32:12.560
I don't like that, so he's a fucking narcissist.
01:32:20.280
I think that'll change when we have more females talking to other females about that one.
01:32:28.840
How would that be the case when, like, the whole field of psychology is completely inundated
01:32:39.620
Men don't usually seek psychological help because they have the boys.
01:32:47.380
They're not grabbing many female coaches either.
01:33:02.740
What I'm saying is that they're not going to female psychologists.
01:33:05.320
They're not even really going to male psychologists.
01:33:06.160
No, but that's why I'm saying I'm not a psychologist.
01:33:08.060
They have that, like, nice little, I'm a coach.
01:33:10.220
So, for me, if they're coming to me, it feels a little bit less like, oh, I'm not going
01:33:18.100
I think there's, talk therapy doesn't help with certain things, but it's great to talk
01:33:22.740
But there's different modalities of, like, CBT or EMDR or, you know, whatever it is.
01:33:28.680
I think most women seek out psychological assistance from psychologists.
01:33:31.920
So that they can learn various forms of manipulation in order to manipulate whoever it is they're
01:33:37.480
And they want the assistance from somebody who's a professional at it.
01:33:43.980
Anyone who's traumatized who's not really, or an a-hole or whatever, who's not willing
01:33:51.480
And I look at the numbers of women who seek psychologists versus men.
01:33:58.080
So, can you always make the case, oh, the other sex also engages in that?
01:34:04.660
You can Google all day long and not have to go to someone and spend money and $300 a
01:34:10.040
pop to go to a psychologist to learn the jargon.
01:34:18.640
I've never even considered, I don't consider it even scientific.
01:34:22.400
They have scientific elements for data gathering and things like this.
01:34:36.220
I mean, I remember back in the day when I was in psychology courses and we thought back then
01:34:46.300
Well, that's because what happens is a sociological study will come out that has no reputations
01:34:52.300
But because it's the most modern study, everyone will reference it as though it's gospel.
01:34:59.600
Everybody inside their mind, they already have this bad information, right?
01:35:05.260
I still hear people say we only use 10% of our brain.
01:35:08.200
I still hear people say that left-handed people are more creative.
01:35:11.020
I still hear people say that people with blue eyes are generally taller.
01:35:16.760
I see people say all kinds of crazy shit, right?
01:35:21.000
That has been refuted, repudiated, completely decimated for years and years and years.
01:35:25.020
But because it's allowed to permeate within the decade of reason that these people are
01:35:32.300
They're not looking for reputations years later.
01:35:38.920
Psychology, but that's the thing, is that psychology isn't that building block of lies.
01:35:42.100
It's the fact that you can take a zoom out and look at the fact that that's a pattern.
01:35:49.280
It's what human behavior doesn't necessarily change.
01:35:52.400
Our circumstances might or the way things look might change, but there's a pattern to
01:35:56.700
So over the years, every decade has some sort of bad information that gets caught up with.
01:36:01.860
But it's way worse in sociology and psychology.
01:36:04.100
You're talking 60, 70% of the studies suffer from the replication crisis.
01:36:07.720
All science suffers from the replication crisis.
01:36:12.380
When you go back to replicate a chemistry experiment, really easy.
01:36:17.760
You take this chemical, this chemical, this chemical, you put it in the same conditions,
01:36:21.020
The human element is very confounding, especially when you're not studying the direct biological.
01:36:25.560
So they go out to replicate the sociological studies like 70%.
01:36:32.740
They couldn't replicate the studies if they got the same participants, the same scientists,
01:36:40.920
So it's like, why the fuck would I ever trust any science that's 80% wrong or 70% wrong
01:36:47.440
I do that too because I remember people were talking about Freud for a long time.
01:36:55.560
He made psychotherapy and he did a lot of hypnotherapy.
01:37:02.340
The one thing that I like about it is like, hopefully you can take a mistake and learn
01:37:13.820
Because like what we were talking about with the body count thing and even this, like,
01:37:22.600
Like, we keep trying to put these calculable elements on dating and love.
01:37:30.600
Like, it doesn't matter how many people you've had sex with.
01:37:35.440
But like, we're trying to calculate the human experience, especially relationship-wise.
01:37:42.480
Like, you don't wake up and you say, I'm going to eat eggs.
01:37:45.380
And I'm going to eat eggs every day for the rest of my life.
01:37:53.720
Because if that was the case, the first person you linked it with or had sex with, you would
01:38:00.880
Like, we have multi-use organs, but we try to make them single-use or monogamous.
01:38:09.760
But I just feel like, biologically speaking, we're not even biologically set up for monogamy.
01:38:15.460
Yeah, but if you can do a thing, it doesn't mean you should do a thing.
01:38:19.680
And not only that, like, I think that you would even agree that not really, like, there's
01:38:24.600
a lot of calculable risks that you intuitively know.
01:38:27.300
Like, you've heard this advice from your parents, for instance, right?
01:38:33.480
Or you'd be looking for patterns for bad, bad treatment, right?
01:38:36.660
So there's, like, no way around pattern recognition, especially when it comes to dating and things
01:38:44.520
Don't be with a person who treats you bad, right?
01:39:13.160
Okay, so Brian moderately questioned your integrity briefly, but I did explain to him that your
01:39:23.680
Well, if we get, like, crazy, first off, if it's legit, and I'm assuming it's legit.
01:39:36.340
Somebody's, like, they could just, like, try to screw us over and just be, like, do a credit
01:39:42.300
Except that that guy sent, like, $20,000 to the cruise pool and never disputed a single
01:39:48.140
So, so, so, so, so, so, like, the little faith in my, my boy, Jungle.
01:39:54.120
But, yo, Jungle, you're fucking legend, and we're about to pop, I, I had to have my, my
01:39:58.200
girl, because we're, we're actually out of Champagne.
01:40:02.040
But, so she had to go down, she had to go get some more Champagne, and by the way, so
01:40:35.780
By the way, Jungle, if you want to do some, some fucking top G, Giga Chad shit, by the
01:40:42.640
When you do Champagne Pop, you get a free legendary role on the, whatever, Discord.
01:40:53.320
We have Crystall, which is, let's see if I can show it here.
01:41:06.760
And you can, for one Ethereum, we'll pop a ball of Crystall, which is, it's like a $500
01:41:17.660
While I'm getting this popped, while I'm trying to, oh, shit, don't want to get this popped.
01:41:22.300
While I'm getting this popped, Felicity, go ahead.
01:41:51.820
I mean, in your 20s, at least, you know, you look very mature.
01:42:08.260
So, does body count still matter for, like, your age group?
01:42:13.720
But then again, as we get older, we don't care.
01:42:17.060
The guys that I coach, honestly, once they start healing and stuff, they literally don't
01:42:25.860
But there's, sometimes it's just, you just, you care about more about the person.
01:42:31.600
I've honestly never encountered someone who was like, oh, I have an issue with body count.
01:42:38.080
I would prefer someone to have, like, the same body count as me if I'm going to date
01:42:43.700
I can't imagine a 19-year-old being like, I've had 500 women.
01:42:53.540
If you're dating, like, an older person who had, like, three times your body count,
01:42:57.940
Like that, I would understand more, like, if I was dating someone that was a few years
01:43:00.860
older than me, I'd understand if they had a lot more.
01:43:10.940
So, what are the age demographics for, like, most of your clients?
01:43:14.540
Because I have two boys, and once I get married, we'll have eight boys in between the two of
01:43:19.740
So, just, like, as a future husband-mom, you know, moms, like, what are the age groups
01:43:26.840
I coach anywhere from 18 to, uh, I have a client, uh, in his 80s, mid-80s.
01:43:32.340
I have a couple, actually, I have a few clients in their mid-80s.
01:43:35.020
Yeah, like, I've never heard of, um, a coach that handles that kind of thing.
01:43:41.880
I knew about Tony Robbins, but I didn't know that I, that this kind of thing existed.
01:43:46.480
I knew about pick-up artists a little bit, um, but, no, I got sober eight years ago today,
01:43:55.680
So, I just, like, took a cake for eight years and then came here.
01:44:02.400
Eight, and then pretty much whatever anyone had in their hand.
01:44:04.520
It really wasn't, I was like, that, whatever, put it in me.
01:44:12.620
I had a great resume, but I was just, I had to heal so much.
01:44:16.260
And then, eventually, um, I was debating on going back to getting my, um, master's and
01:44:21.100
PhD, um, but it just, I didn't like the idea of being in school for that long.
01:44:26.140
Um, and so I just waited and then I had a friend of mine call and she was like, hey,
01:44:36.900
And then all of a sudden it was like, oh my God, this is a thing.
01:44:39.760
And then honestly, when I started coaching is when I started really taking a better look
01:44:49.420
I was like, whoa, we're a lot more similar than I thought.
01:44:51.940
And then I want to continue my education and doing like NLP and all that.
01:44:55.480
Can I tell you that I'm always, I'll just be honest with you.
01:45:06.180
So if I was, let's say I woke up tomorrow, right?
01:45:08.660
Meteorite hit my house and went through the wife.
01:45:13.980
I wouldn't have a fucking clue about the modern dating market.
01:45:21.680
The rest of my life in isolation on a mountain top somewhere and just enjoy the shit out of
01:45:28.000
But here's the thing is like when I, when I talk to the dating coach,
01:45:37.180
It seems very much like, uh, they fluff their resume for how many success stories they've
01:45:43.200
It seems like they kind of fluff their experiences.
01:45:47.420
My dad gave me a great piece of advice when I was 14 years old.
01:45:50.620
He said, never take financial advice from someone who's broke.
01:45:54.840
So if you're talking about dating coaches, should people take advice from single dating coaches?
01:46:05.460
But like, doesn't that follow the same logic of like, don't take financial advice from
01:46:13.520
It would, you take dating advice from someone who's dating, you know, who's in it, who sees
01:46:17.800
it, but who's also had, but also you're someone that discerns, like you're someone
01:46:21.740
that like for you personally, you might not need it because you're reading people.
01:46:27.240
You're not going to be as, as the marriage, like the marriage aspect shows that you were
01:46:33.820
My, that shows like I was just like the million dollars shows that you were successful in
01:46:39.760
It's like when you say, well, I'm in the dating market, I'm successful at dating.
01:46:48.220
Well, what happens with a lot of them is, um, and I get this a lot, so I'll have a program
01:46:52.020
that's called from like toxic to triumph and I do career as well too.
01:46:54.900
Like I do have multiple careers and I, I, I have success in there.
01:46:59.180
Um, but the main thing is also like what I help a lot with is stop dating the toxic ones,
01:47:05.560
the ones that you actually don't like, you know?
01:47:13.020
I like a financial advisor for love and relationships.
01:47:21.520
Like, so I, I read, and again, this is my studies, right?
01:47:28.520
But, uh, some, some, some data is better than others, uh, that you can judge better than
01:47:34.000
Like if it comes from a dating website, it's usually fairly good.
01:47:40.960
Um, but one thing is like, there used to be dating placement agencies.
01:47:45.620
And so what they would do, and there's, they still exist.
01:47:49.660
Is that they would just like link people up for dates.
01:47:52.480
And then, you know, let the chips fall where they may.
01:47:55.120
When it came to the track record of those agencies versus straight dating coaches, those
01:47:59.720
agencies had a way better track record because what they were doing is putting people with
01:48:06.380
And it's like, it's, it's the natural course that if you run into more people, your chances
01:48:14.260
So they come to me when they go to those pools, but they keep picking the ones that don't work
01:48:19.580
Then we find out why you're picking, you know, this person over here versus if you actually
01:48:24.720
want a quality woman who you're aligned with, who you would get married to, but yet you keep
01:48:28.660
dating the ones that are, you know, having good times with the Island boys.
01:48:32.360
Like what, why do you keep getting around those?
01:48:34.520
So we identify, why are you around those women that are in those parties versus if you want
01:48:40.880
And then I could point them back to like, well, go to this dating pool or go to this
01:48:46.480
You know, men or women are better at dating coaching for men.
01:48:51.740
Honestly, I think as long as you, you know what you're doing and you care.
01:48:54.420
Cause I, I, I, women would be better dating coaches for women.
01:48:58.100
I, again, I mean, for, all right, look for me personally, if, if, if it's a guy and he's
01:49:07.020
wanting advice on a woman, you're going to, you're, we read, we read women a little bit
01:49:11.200
faster, but for me, like there are a couple of my girlfriends that I'll go to cause they,
01:49:15.640
they, they speak dude and I'm, I'll go to them.
01:49:18.860
There's no fluff, but if I'm dating someone or if I have questions about it, cause I have
01:49:25.780
I'm going to go to a guy cause guys, you guys do read men a lot faster.
01:49:31.040
So I typically, I do like that, but I'll, I'll go to both and hear like what they both
01:49:38.220
So, I mean, it would stand, it stands, so it stands to reason to you that men know men
01:49:45.840
Cause you, you know, you can, you can, you know, you can read women and there's women
01:49:55.980
It's just, it's just, this, this is a trend that's, that I see a lot.
01:50:00.000
If I ask a female dating coach and they answer both ways, right?
01:50:03.840
Usually female dating coaches will actually say women are just better to go to period when
01:50:08.260
it comes to dating coaching, because you know, the advice for women, it's better.
01:50:12.880
And then the advice you get from men, they don't, you know, it's not as good, right?
01:50:16.840
They'll, they'll just kind of phrase it this way.
01:50:19.140
Now there's some who like you will say, well, you should go to, to men.
01:50:24.180
If you're a woman, because they're going to read men better, or you should go to a woman
01:50:27.800
if you're a man, cause they're going to read women better.
01:50:30.880
But here's the problem that comes up is that women are way worse at holding elongated relationships
01:50:43.840
It's like everything, all of these aspects are interpersonal.
01:50:47.300
So it just means interpersonal dynamics, right?
01:50:50.500
So a friendship is still, it's an interpersonal dynamic.
01:50:53.800
Friendships actually take, in some cases, more work than, than a relationship.
01:50:58.900
My longest right now, I just messaged with her over 20 years.
01:51:04.460
I think that you should look at who, what are your relationships.
01:51:06.460
But if men do generally better in interpersonal relationships than women do, shouldn't men
01:51:10.340
and women both go to men for relationship advice?
01:51:14.240
There are better interpersonal relationships with women and men for friendship.
01:51:17.260
I mean, we're not going to go down on the street and just grab any man and be like,
01:51:21.400
Like, I think it just depends on, you know, if the guy, if the guy is good, he's good.
01:51:27.080
But again, you're going to be able to read them and just read them and hopefully they're
01:51:31.400
I go to my girlfriends, you know, my friends who are female for more emotional, you know, like
01:51:37.980
social advice, you know, not that we are not intellectual because duh, we are.
01:51:42.480
But if I was having a relationship issue, especially since I date girls mostly, then I would maybe
01:51:48.060
go to like guy friends or something like that for more like analytical advice.
01:51:52.740
Like, I feel like y'all see it from that more, you said primal earlier.
01:51:57.920
I'm going to use that phrase, but cause it kind of fits, but not really.
01:52:00.920
But I feel like men see the world and women and relationships for more of that, like primal
01:52:06.980
thing, like how do I made, how do I, you know, provide those things.
01:52:11.000
And then women see it more from like that emotional, like, you know, how do I make sure
01:52:18.960
So I think again, we just go, for me, it goes back to love and dating is uncalculable.
01:52:25.060
So I think, I think that one of the best pieces of advice is in modernity for men, right?
01:52:30.520
And you can, you can love this or hate this is that generally speaking, taking advice
01:52:46.220
Like that, like the, the feminist comes out right away, right?
01:52:49.940
The idea, the idea of who hurt you comes down to your blanket idea, your psychological training
01:52:56.240
You might, you assume that there must be some trauma.
01:52:58.300
There's not trauma, it's just pattern recognition, right?
01:53:05.080
Because you do have a lot of guys that like, if they grew up with a lot of women, then they
01:53:10.340
And if they had like, if they had bad, right, but if they had a bad relationship, like I
01:53:14.300
have a lot of guys that, um, if they had abuse from men or bullying from men, they actually
01:53:19.380
You go immediately to a trauma analysis rather than a logical analysis.
01:53:25.780
If my friend group of men is mean and I go to them and they give me bad advice, then
01:53:35.860
When you use a analysis, a trauma analysis, meaning the first, the very first thing you
01:53:46.360
The second I said something, the second I said something you disagree with, it was who
01:53:52.380
The second you say you make a claim that they think is effective women as a category,
01:54:02.860
What is this thing that, uh, that triggered this?
01:54:05.740
And it's like, actually, there doesn't always have to be a thing.
01:54:10.200
You can just use logic and reason to assess the situations around you based around the
01:54:14.440
social relationships people have and determine that women usually give really fucking bad
01:54:18.900
advice, especially to each other, especially to each other.
01:54:23.080
Uh, but men generally speaking, especially older men tend to give really good advice and
01:54:36.860
They don't care about it, but they can't wait to give it to you.
01:54:39.420
So it's like, um, what I see with the pattern is that generally speaking, women give terrible
01:54:43.700
advice to women and men and men tend to give, especially if they're older men, fairly good
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So if I see that as a trend, of course, my logical brain says most men and women probably
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I'm going to let you guys respond, but we have a, another champagne pop and we still
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Uh, so, uh, there's multiple, so we need to do three cheers, I think.
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Can you, since Jungle sent in like four grand, can you guys all sing, He's a Jolly Good
01:56:10.480
For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow,
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Did you guys want to continue on the, you're talking about dating?
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Well, I was just, I was pretty much done there.
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I just said, that's the pattern that I've noticed is that women generally.
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Like for instance, women are often in HR departments and they usually make things.
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It's 200,000 times worse for everybody because they're in HR departments and it's just awful.
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Because normally, like, I think that kind of goes back to like the systemic change.
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It's like, we're in HR because that's all we can do.
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I'll explain why in HR departments, they're problematic, especially when it comes to men.
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When you go to a human resources department, they have psychological training courses that
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And during the psychological training courses, they're taught to use a specific tone, which
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is designed around the feminine, just like in school.
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Boys are disadvantaged because it's usually a feminine curriculum.
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This idea of like, sit at the table, have your hands folded, listen quietly while the teacher's
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But they want to throw stuff at each other and be obnoxious.
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There's plenty of men who do great in school though.
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Yeah, women excel in comparison because of the rules which are there, right?
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So, for instance, when I was younger, he got into a fist fight.
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It was not a police arrest you and you go to jail.
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If I came home with a black eye and bloody nose, I lost.
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Yeah, but the point is, is like, nobody gave a shit.
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It wasn't like, oh my God, these kids, they started knocking each other around.
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Well, I think once there was more shootings and stuff, I don't know.
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There was a massive amount of gang violence inside of schools before any of that mass stuff
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But still, men, especially young men, learn differently than women.
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But because they're inside of a very feminine zone, they actually can't excel the same way
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they do in all boys schools and things like this, where they excel much better.
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Um, what's interesting is, is in HR departments, since they're always inundated with women,
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So men, let me tell you some things that men hate.
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Oh God, can you just come down and lightning, Zeus lightning bolt me through the fucking chest.
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Yes, please do that so I don't have to go in to this room.
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So what we're going to do here is a little bit of coaching.
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Or how about, we're going to, you know, I'm just here to assist you with some of the problems
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And they have their little like fucking stupid post-it notes and shit.
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Even the most like cringe dude thinks, the second they hear that, all they can think
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Now you can believe me or not believe me, but this is what's on repeat.
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Now me saying that out loud to a group of women, you think, you think even right now,
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That's actually kind of harsh, but it's like, that's actually how we think about it.
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But do you think that that's why that tone is being made?
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Because a confrontation, because I feel like men can only hold it in before they go.
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And so it's like, they have to take a softer tone.
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Almost like, I don't want to say speaking to a child, but just being softer to create
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What they really want to say to you is like, everything that you're about to tell me,
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I'm only trying to get through this meeting as far as I can to keep this job.
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But everything coming out of your mouth, I literally don't give a fuck about.
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That's what they actually are thinking in their brains.
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I think women in that circumstance are also thinking the same thing.
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Going to you, you are not enjoying what Andrew's saying.
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Oh, I was thinking why you could make such conclusions like without giving any examples.
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Like you need to like support your own opinions.
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So if you're asking for like data for these examples, right now this is an anecdotal conversation.
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So I preface this conversation by saying this is based on the pattern recognition experiences that I've seen.
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Not preferencing it on like, oh, I have a massive data packet here that's sociological in nature.
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In order to show my findings that this is what men think.
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But based on all the conversations that I've had with men, and I've had thousands of them all across the world say thing with women, this is what they think.
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But there will be something called confirmation bias in this as well too.
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The thing is though, is like I think pattern recognition assists with eliminating confirmation bias.
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Because you wouldn't be able to assess your own like patterns and your own confirmation bias in it or awareness of it.
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If you understand what I'm saying with that one.
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But sorry, I don't want to take a conversation with you.
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But let's just talk about it from the ideological.
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You can hold ideologies which are false based on confirmation bias like you're talking about.
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Until they are moved into a position where their ideology is tested and doesn't fit with the pattern, then they enter cognitive dissonance.
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Because their confirmation bias shatters based on new pattern recognition.
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But it actually doesn't happen unless they're like forced to recognize it and forced to face the information.
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Now, what we see in dating is confirmation bias is huge.
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If you have a belief system that all women, all men are shit or nothing or all women are toxic, I'm sorry.
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But if you put someone in a room full of quality people or nice people, they'll make it up in their head.
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You will actually physically hear it differently.
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I would never say that the idea of like all women are shit.
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But that's part of pattern recognition is generalization.
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So my pattern is that I'm generalizing and I'm seeing these people and I'm putting them into this.
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So I would just say like, for instance, I don't get in very many car accidents.
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That would be a pattern that I would recognize.
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But if I were to, well, how about just I were to be moved to a large city where there was massive traffic congestion and now suddenly I'm driving a lot more and I'm getting into more accidents, I might enter into like, oh shit, my pre-assumption about driving being safe is actually driving is only safe under these circumstances.
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If that happened, but you could also go to that big city and suddenly only drive like, you know, 2 p.m. when there's no traffic.
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So you could absolutely still hold that belief system.
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But that makes my point for me that the ideology, unless presented with new patterns, is going to hold still based on pattern recognition.
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But that's why it's on the individual as well, too.
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So you said like women are like less like not available, but reliable for like advice and stuff like for me, it's much different.
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Like growing up in the South, like my mom and my grandmother, my aunties, like those powerful women were the ones leading the family, like giving advice, cooking all the meals.
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And like I couldn't really name maybe like one or two males that really had a dramatic impact on my life where I would say like, oh, yeah, like that.
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That I didn't actually say who was more available for advice.
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What I said was the ones I would actually go to for advice.
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I actually said women are more available, a lot more available for advice and a lot more likely to be given to it.
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I think it depends on what you're asking them advice on.
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Because women would be experts on makeup, for example, like stereotypically.
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Why the fuck would a guy go to a girl for advice on makeup?
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But I mean, let's actually dive into like the examples, right?
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Guys aren't going to go to fucking women for advice on makeup because they don't wear it.
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I'm just saying like when women go to other women for advice, it's on their expertise.
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What would men be going to women for advice for?
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Well, when you think about it, like let's break it down.
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There's not actually that much for men to go to women for advice on.
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So if they wanted to talk to very wealthy people, plenty of men who are very wealthy,
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If it was going to come down to an occupational like skills, there's no way women are going
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to get better advice on electrical, roofing, you know, concrete mixing.
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What woman are you going to go to for advice on mixing concrete?
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Well, some women are better at sales specifically.
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Wouldn't you, if you were a man, go, okay, well, there's some disadvantages I have immediately.
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Like I don't have boobs and I'm not cute and I don't have this and I don't have that.
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You're going to go to who for the best advice on how to sell shit as a man, man.
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I think you're going to go with, yeah, someone that looks like you that that way you're like,
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And with that part, I agree with advice for women on if they're the person you're trying
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to sell to, you get advice on being better at sales through that.
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Except the most successful marketers on planet earth were men.
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And they got the entire planet to smoke and they got the entire planet to do it.
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Like imagine all the bad, but you said good advice.
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Well, imagine that you can actually get through crafted, through like crafted propaganda,
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the whole population of smoke, that was men who were able to at least craft that propaganda.
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But men were the ones who were first able to get into those roles.
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And by the way, that was like the most misogynistic society ever.
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I think that's the, what she said was that men were the first ones who would get in that
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So they have, you know, they're a step ahead of women.
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Like now, like I'm an executive chef when you wouldn't really see executive chefs in a
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Bud Light had a massive controversy where they put, where they put Mulvaney on a Bud Light
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And then lost the entire market share of Bud Light spearheaded by a woman, right?
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Spearheaded by a woman trying to sell this beer.
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Well, that depends on, cause I know a little bit about your background that I'm assuming
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I don't see the woman in charge of the marketing campaign as a woman.
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The woman in charge of the marketing campaign who had a vagina is definitely a woman by
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I don't know if you're talking about Dylan specifically or if your opinions have changed.
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There's multiple marketing campaigns actually spearheaded that they fucked up because they
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I think that that's something to learn for sure.
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I'm sure we can point to men failures as well, too.
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But there was a study that did come out and I can't remember the guy's name, so I haven't
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But he just, there's studies that have come out and we can debate it or whatever, but
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apparently women make excellent CEOs and better CEOs.
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There's also data that says that if you have corporations that do diversity hires, they
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actually do better than corporations that don't.
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That was a study that came out that I was just debating the other day until I came into
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the debate with all of the modern refutations to the study based on, of course, the new evidence
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which emerged when they went back to replicate that study.
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It turns out those companies were already doing great.
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They just had so much money they were able to start playing with the EF.
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They just had so much money that they were able to start playing around with this model.
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They just had enough money that they could start playing with the model.
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You know when like something looks like it's coming from this.
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They actually said like they took a correlate and then pretended it was a causation when
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So the thing is, it's like anytime I look at this stuff, right, I realize that whenever
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it's led by empathy first, which women usually lead their morality by empathy first, it's
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I think that we can learn from both men and women.
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I agree because I think that if a woman's just coming in and she's only looking at the
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empathy, then yeah, absolutely, you're losing it.
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But if a guy's coming in and he's only looking at one thing as well too, I think that, you
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know, yeah, if you open yourself up and think about different things and new ways of attacking
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I wouldn't dispute the idea that there's going to be some, so I wouldn't monolith anything.
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I wouldn't say anything's always in all of anything.
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But if we look at general trends, what we can see is that women lead with empathy
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Yeah, when I coach differently, like if I coach women, I have to get them to like stop
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But with men, I need them stop forward motion because you're making mistakes and not assessing.
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You can, you right now could look at someone or look at someone's profile and intuitively
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kind of know based on logic, based on things, based on whatever.
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But you could know who that person is, what they're about to do or say or whatnot, or if
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they're a good person, decent person or full of shit.
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Well, I've had, I've had a significant, but I've had significant advantages of having,
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of, of having tons and tons of interpersonal conversations with thousands of different
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I have significant advantages that the general public would not have when it came to, to
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understanding what people are saying, why they're saying it, what type of worldview they're
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And because they don't, right, it's easy enough for me to just say, look, generally
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If that's the case, right, who the fuck would you want in charge of every situation?
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I want the person, I want either one that's unlocked both.
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What advantage does empathy give you over reason?
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What advantage does a man, if a man has empathy?
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If a man has, is able to do forward motion plus empathy, I feel like he's lethal.
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In the marriage market, like if you're in the dating pool, a woman's going to look for
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But if you have reason, can she just fake the empathy?
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Who's going to get married to someone who's been faking for that long?
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So like the idea, I'll give you, I'll give you this great example of this, right?
02:13:15.360
And almost probably every man will do this where his woman comes to him with some stupid
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He doesn't give a shit about, but she does, right?
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And it's literally fucking meaningless, totally meaningless, means nothing, totally irrelevant,
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Right now in his mind, I'm going to tell you what he's thinking.
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What he's thinking in his head is, God, this is fucking stupid.
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And I hope that you just stop with this fucking shit in the next 20 minutes.
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I can't even believe that you're hysterical about this.
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There's been times where my wife, for instance, just like every woman on planet Earth, she's
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been on her period, completely irrational, says some stupid ass fucking shit.
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Literally go to your room and take a fucking nap.
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Until you can act and take a nap like a fucking human being.
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She goes to her room and she takes a fucking nap.
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And the next thing I know, she acts like a rational human being.
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But do you guys get to communicate like, you know what I mean?
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So we talk like that as women too in our families.
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Let us pretend for a moment that for a week out of every month, I completely lost my fucking
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It started like, oh, I don't know, ripping doors off of hinges.
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I'm sure she probably wouldn't be very pleasant about that.
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Because I'm not, I don't have what is called hormonal lunacy once a month.
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So no, of course my wife, my wife's not going to talk to me like that.
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But you suppress emotions and you emotionally explode in anger.
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What do you think about this terrible misogynist?
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Yeah, that's exactly why I don't turn to men for help.
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Like he doesn't care about what the girl is talking about.
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Like her feelings, saying like lunacy, hysterical, all these words.
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Like even hysteria, the word estymologically is like anti-women.
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Like it's made up by men to saying women are crazy.
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Do women one time per month have massive hormonal changes, which affect literally how they think?
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It's because like when I feel really sad, I need to have emotional support.
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I can calm down and then like I can reason myself.
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We want them to have genuine empathy, which they don't really have.
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Normally we're on top of these, but I missed it.
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Women with high body count, 6 plus, have a greater likelihood of cheating, relationship
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Actually, the last part of what that chatter said is the most important part.
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If it is the case from the man's prism that it's revolting and preferences are fine to
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It's very uneven where men feel like it's okay for them.
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Where if a woman has a higher body count, it's a no.
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I think that that's where there's a disconnect and it just doesn't seem fair.
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When's the last time you've been on a first date?
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I'll say maybe in the last year, I've gone on, I don't know, eight first dates.
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And I actually paid and the guy decided not to get anything.
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He didn't ask for anything when I offered to pay.
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So, I mean, we can discuss about what's fair, what's unfair or double standards or benefits
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that men receive, benefits that women receive, male privilege, female privilege.
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You seem to have a double standard as it relates to who pays on the first date.
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Other than the fact that he didn't order anything, I was very willing to pay for himself.
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So seven of the eight dates that you went on just this year, the man paid for all of them.
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Because he asked me out on a date and I was like, sure.
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Whoever asks should, or excuse me, whoever asks should be the one who pays on dates.
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So your argument as to, if your argument is whoever asks should pay would make sense to
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me if men and women asked each other out at equivalent rates, but they clearly don't.
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So you're kind of going around the bush as to beating around the bush, or not beating around
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I'm actually interested in how this correlates to my thing about Bible.
02:19:48.000
So you were saying, well, it's kind of okay for men to have a high body count, but when
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women have a high body count, there's an issue with it.
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So there's a double, you claim there's a double standard that exists, right?
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If a guy himself has a high body count, it would be unfair or unreasonable or hypocritical
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or a double standard for, as a man with a high body count, to desire a woman who has
02:20:23.900
To use that term, disgusting, to describe a person because of their human experience.
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So, for example, body count sort of moves it far away from what a sexual encounter actually
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So, for example, and there could be differentials here.
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You'll probably respond like, oh, well, a woman could have a high body count, but she's
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If a woman slept with a different guy the night before and she goes on a date with me
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To most men, that's going to be disgusting if a woman in recently slept with another man,
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especially if she fucked him without a condom, especially if she let him come inside her.
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Okay, can we break those down maybe individually?
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Sure, actually, let's just start with the biological.
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Personally, I actually wouldn't disagree with you.
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Now, although I have gone on dates and things like that, I would not disagree with you.
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I just mean, in general, I just want to know why it's okay.
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She knows she wants to discuss it, but I don't disagree.
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If she was with somebody, went raw, he came in her, whatever, and then goes on another
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date, and then that's going to happen the very next day with a new person, I'm not in disagreement
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The main point I was going to say here is that when it comes to the unfairness, I think
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you're pointing towards the double standard or the potential hypocrisy.
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Now, the thing is, my view is, when it comes to both men and women, we are allowed to desire
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things in a partner, traits in a partner that we ourselves don't possess.
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For example, I wouldn't find it a double standard necessarily or hypocritical if a woman who
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was poor was attracted to and dated or wanted to date really rich men.
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I don't think that that would be hypocritical or double standard.
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A guy who has a high body count, for example, I don't think it would be hypocritical or a
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double standard if, despite him having high body count, he has a preference for women
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If you're loose with yourself with other people, then maybe the person that doesn't
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have as much money, your example was of a poor girl.
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So if your example is like, okay, there's this poor girl or somebody who's maybe just
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She wants to date someone who makes six figures.
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Maybe she hasn't had the same opportunities to somebody who, a guy that sleeps around.
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So are you stating that when it comes to preferences, people are only entitled to having preferences
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Women have plenty of preferences for men that have nothing to do with morals.
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And they do, and they also have preferences that do relate to morals.
02:23:30.720
Just relationally, even to just attraction, right?
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It sounds like we went off topic from shaming someone, though.
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I'm going to let this come in, but then you can respond.
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They're driven by emotion and are therefore unreasonable.
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Reason and logic push society, ladies, not your feelings.
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Because when you go home, you want that woman with feelings.
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You don't want a woman that sits there and is analytical.
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You don't come home to a pair of boobs that are hard as rocks.
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I would just give the quick reputation before Brian and the gal get back into it.
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That men are perfectly happy to have women who lead with emotion in their life if they
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I mean, like, I'm more a mask in my relationship.
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And my current partner and fiance, she's more feminine.
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But she makes more money than me as a pilot and me as, like, a chef and doing, like, more
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That has nothing to do with what submission is, ultimately.
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If you don't mind just repeating, I kind of lost track of the...
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You guys were focused on whether or not it was hypocrisy, Brian.
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There was a focus on the higher body count for men versus women.
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I mean, I think that if long-term you're looking for somebody, like, obviously you're going
02:25:13.640
Compatibility is, you know, a factor in a long-term relationship.
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So, yeah, I think that if you're going to be, not asking, but looking for the preference
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of somebody who has a lower body count, you yourself should not have been, like, a hoe
02:25:25.140
Well, let me see if I can make a response to this by just asking you a simple question.
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Would it be a deal-breaker for you if you met a man and he had all the right criteria?
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He met the attractiveness skill that you wanted.
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If he had slept with 150 women, but he wanted to settle down with you?
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If he was ready to settle down, then that's fine as long as he's clean.
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Well, actually, it should logically make sense.
02:26:06.720
Hypocrisy doesn't mean I'm guilty of the thing in which I'm telling you not to do.
02:26:26.720
Well, I mean, 10 years old, there's a lot of things you shouldn't do at 10.
02:26:29.560
As a parent, I do think that it's confusing for the child if you're telling me not to smoke.
02:26:39.260
So if I were to say it's wrong for anybody on planet Earth to smoke and then smoked, I'd be a hypocrite.
02:26:46.060
But if I'm like a fat person, let's say I'm really fat, right, and I'm around another fat person, say, hey, you should lose some weight, right?
02:26:55.120
That person actually maybe should lose some weight.
02:26:57.580
You actually being fat doesn't have anything to do with whether or not that person should lose weight or not.
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It would only be if you said, right, I myself, right, as a not fat person, am telling you not to lose weight.
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But hypocrisy has – you have to have some type of pretending associator.
02:27:20.440
People confuse this with just you are guilty of the same thing you're telling the other person not to do.
02:27:28.040
I was a former drug addict, let's say, and I'm telling people not to be drug addicts.
02:27:34.080
No, because you've changed your ways and you're trying to – I would think that as a man, you're trying to lead by example.
02:27:40.720
But if I was – if I said, okay, I'm a former drug addict, you should stop being a drug addict and secretly did drugs, would I be a hypocrite then?
02:27:54.980
If a man – so if a man has a preference and he says, I don't want a woman who has a high body count, right?
02:28:11.080
It still seems like an unfair – like, I mean, obviously, people can have their preferences.
02:28:22.100
Being guilty of that which you're accusing the other person, that's not hypocrisy.
02:28:30.020
I couldn't – I can't think of a better word to use.
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I'm just trying to understand where the logic is behind it.
02:28:54.580
The logic of why it's okay for – I'm not going to say you.
02:28:57.720
Men typically always are – they are known for sleeping around.
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If they can get it, they're going to take it because maybe women –
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Because I don't think I'm making the claim that it's okay for men to be promiscuous.
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But I am saying it's okay for a man who has a high body count to date a woman who has a low body count or who's a virgin.
02:29:24.680
I just think it's the shame and the you're disgusting and you're calling –
02:29:28.920
It's revolting and yet they're sleeping around doing the same.
02:29:35.940
But are you saying it's revolting for both to be doing it?
02:29:41.180
So I – my viewpoint always follows from Christian ethics.
02:29:44.540
So promiscuity in men is just – from my view, right, is a no-no just like it is with women.
02:29:50.640
But while that's prescriptively true, meaning this is a prescription I give men and women, I'm also going to give a descriptive truth.
02:29:57.340
The descriptive truth is that it's less of a big deal for women than it is for men.
02:30:01.380
And because that is the case that women perceive it that way versus men, the societal damage is always going to be lesser if men do it than if women do.
02:30:11.740
My prescription is that neither of you should do this.
02:30:14.400
But descriptively, if this behavior is found in one sex versus the other, it's more damaging.
02:30:25.160
So if women engage in one type of virtue and it does way more damage if they abandon it versus men, it's feminine.
02:30:33.220
If men refuse the virtue and does way more damage to society, that's a masculine virtue.
02:30:37.100
So you're saying societally because men typically do do it – hold on.
02:30:42.680
The ramifications on society are – it's not as bad, right?
02:30:49.280
Because women are generally more accepting of a high body.
02:30:53.060
There's a reproductive element which goes into it, which would make it worse, especially for the outcome for children, if it is the case that women are promiscuous versus men.
02:31:04.080
For instance, you could have 300 promiscuous men all screwing the same woman, right, for the purpose of reproduction or whatever.
02:31:15.220
That would be less bad than if you had 300 women get pregnant and be single moms, right?
02:31:24.540
If there was 300 single moms versus one single mom, right, that would still be worse, you would agree, right?
02:31:42.360
Just which would be more optimal, which would be better.
02:31:45.060
Personally, my boyfriend and my ex right before him both had very low body counts.
02:31:53.780
I don't know the exacts, but I know it's pretty low.
02:31:59.600
Yeah, we're not even saying that there's a matter of appreciation.
02:32:02.740
We're just saying that ultimately, here's what I see, that women, generally speaking, have a lesser interest in the male body count than the men do with the female body count.
02:32:13.880
And I also see the outcomes of if you have promiscuous women because they can reproduce and men can't seems to actually be worse if women are promiscuous than men because men can be promiscuous with a small pool of women, right?
02:32:26.460
But if women become promiscuous with a large pool of men, there's going to be reproduction.
02:32:30.740
Is there a component here, too, to the – I guess the unfairness and the double standard is that – and I agree with Andrew insofar as I don't think either men or women should be promiscuous.
02:32:42.880
I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
02:32:46.040
But I do know that there is some cohort of men who – for example, if a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, she's a slut.
02:32:55.540
If a guy sleeps with a bunch of women, he's a stud.
02:32:58.340
Like it's – and not all – trust me, there's men who frown on the guy who's promiscuous, too, like I just said.
02:33:13.520
But there is some men who will be impressed by a man who's sexually successful with a lot of women.
02:33:31.100
So I mean I'm understanding where Andrew came from with the whole –
02:33:34.600
I mean I would – again, just to be clear, not in favor of male promiscuity.
02:33:39.560
But my – I guess my response to that would be when it comes to the impressiveness factor or men who sleep with a lot of women, they're like, oh, that's – you're such a stud.
02:33:49.580
So the reality is any single woman, if she wanted to, could be a slut.
02:34:01.360
Like most men, average man, he can't sleep with a new girl every single day.
02:34:08.960
Every single girl at this table, if you wanted to, you could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week.
02:34:21.900
I will put a bet on the table right now for 500 bucks that if you and I go out to the street right now with a cardboard sign, you hold it up and say I'll sleep with any man who wants, and I hold it up and say I'll sleep with any woman who wants, which one of us is getting picked up first?
02:34:40.960
I mean, yeah, it's easier for a woman to go out and sleep around, but for some women, that's not the case.
02:34:48.820
And for some men, it's easy to go sleep around.
02:34:51.220
So it's like, you can't even say it's easier for one gender over the other because it's up to looks at the end of the day.
02:34:57.640
There's attractive men who can sleep around, and there's attractive women who can sleep around.
02:35:01.960
So look, just to be clear, I'm not saying that there's zero men who are sluts.
02:35:08.820
There absolutely are men who can sleep with a bunch of women.
02:35:15.300
And then I think men, either if they're really good looking, they can do this.
02:35:18.360
If they have exceptional top tier charisma or personality, they can do it.
02:35:24.360
If they're super wealthy but they're a dork, it's probably still going to be a little hard.
02:35:29.720
But, like, if they're super rich, it might help.
02:35:32.960
And then if status, like she said, status celebrity, so like a professional athlete, a musician, an actor, these men, even if they're not really that good looking or they don't have great personalities or whatever.
02:35:46.140
Although sometimes status tends to give the aura or the halo of charisma, even if there's not actually any there.
02:35:54.120
But, yeah, so those are the scenarios in which men can be sluts, so to speak.
02:36:02.240
But I don't think most men fall into those categories.
02:36:11.720
You can take a woman who's average looking, who's got a terrible personality, no personality, terrible personality.
02:36:23.400
She's not – she doesn't have any of these things.
02:36:26.420
She could hop on Tinder and sleep with three guys a day if she wanted to.
02:36:32.020
Most women don't want to do that, but if they – if she could is what I'm trying to get at.
02:36:52.020
Even with, like – so there's a degree of effort too, right?
02:36:56.720
Like a guy who's really good looking but he stays inside all the time and doesn't communicate with women but otherwise could get laid, isn't going to get laid.
02:37:04.960
So there is a degree of effort that's involved.
02:37:06.740
But I would argue, like, an average looking guy, even if he's, like, putting in, like, a really good faith effort, like he spends three hours a day on dating apps.
02:37:14.920
He spends another hour or two messaging back and forth with different women.
02:37:22.200
Whereas a woman, I think you could get on a dating – you could spend about an hour on a dating app, do some messaging.
02:37:29.100
See, I think us women see it completely – for me, anyway.
02:37:37.100
And I got a lot of play, especially as, like, a masculine-presenting person.
02:37:40.960
But I think it was because I was a more masculine-presenting person that I got so much play.
02:37:47.020
So for me, I would definitely say that if I was biologically male, it would be so much easier for me to swipe right and link up than it would be for – because then, like he said, like, women have periods.
02:38:04.640
Going to you, though, have you been on dating apps at all?
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How many guys do you swipe no on the dating apps?
02:38:21.400
If there's 100 guys, how many do you say no to?
02:38:27.340
Okay, but how many of – okay, so how many of those guys do you meet up with?
02:38:34.680
Of all the men that you've wanted to sleep with, did you sleep with them?
02:38:43.640
So just to be clear, so you offered essentially not super – I'm not necessarily suggesting super directly, but you offered to the guy basically, here's some pussy.
02:38:55.080
You gave it to him on a silver platter, and he's like, no.
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No, it's not always been the case, but it's been more or less, like – I don't know.
02:39:04.500
In my experience, it's been – I've been willing to, but then it's just, like, the personality is just – I don't know how to explain it.
02:39:16.040
But it's not good, and it just makes me, like –
02:39:20.100
Wait, you were willing to have sex in general, but that specific guy – well, I mean, I think we're all willing, in general, to have sex with people.
02:39:29.160
But, yeah, of course – so you're saying – well, that's just a rejection, then.
02:39:34.040
But, so, okay, but you were saying that – wait, I'm just confused.
02:39:41.140
So, okay, of the men that you've offered sex to, were you turned down?
02:39:48.380
But just to be clear, I'm not saying, like, you had a boyfriend, and one time he was sick, and he didn't want to have sex that one time.
02:40:03.440
Well, I have a way to maybe demonstrate this that everybody will agree with.
02:40:14.960
We'll take a 25-year-old random man, 25-year-old random woman.
02:40:19.760
They have an overcoat on and nothing underneath, and they're flashing people in a random Walmart parking lot.
02:40:25.880
And what they do is they open up the overcoat, and they say, hey, you want to go have sex?
02:40:30.440
Tell me, which one, man or woman, is going to have sex almost immediately versus the other one, man or woman?
02:40:58.980
To bring it back to this, though, the whole thing was is like, okay, why is there this double standard where men are kind of exalted for their promiscuity?
02:41:07.620
Not by all people, but by, you know, some group of men, whereas women are almost kind of universally looked down upon if they're promiscuous.
02:41:16.120
It really just comes down to the impressiveness of the achievement.
02:41:20.100
I think, I think to some degree, it's incredibly easy for women to get laid, whereas for men, there's some degree of skill and complexity in order to achieve that.
02:41:35.720
Like, as a woman, you don't need skill to get laid.
02:41:38.840
By the way, as demonstrated by our hypothetical.
02:41:45.340
I've seen some pretty grimy, not, I don't know how to explain it.
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Just some grimy guys being able to get laid easily.
02:41:57.120
There's a guy who actually spread STDs around a school in my town because he was just sleeping around.
02:42:05.060
And there's going to be lots of other men who were around him who were like, how did you do that?
02:42:09.340
But if a woman's doing that, there's no women around who are like, how did you do that?
02:42:14.380
She just offered it up and men were like, sure.
02:42:17.440
So it kind of comes down to like a skill thing.
02:42:27.460
Or just that they're like, damn, I want to be able to have sex more, but women get to do it easily.
02:42:35.720
I pose this question to you, I guess going around the table.
02:42:42.540
Or, well, of the men that you wanted to have sex with.
02:42:47.260
Like, you probably wanted to have sex with some like really attractive celebrity, but he's not in your, he's not in your orbit, really.
02:42:55.000
I'm talking about men you have like in-person contact.
02:42:58.260
What the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck is going on here?
02:43:36.720
No, not from, I know people that know him and that are on him.
02:43:57.400
He was, you were in the middle of saying something.
02:44:13.620
No, not Leo and I, but I've met Leo a couple times.
02:44:20.360
Please don't take this offensively, or don't take offense to this.
02:44:29.220
I think that he met me and he was like, ooh, so close.
02:44:35.680
We're going to read a couple chats, but we can come back to the convo in a bit.
02:44:44.840
There are double standards that go the other way.
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When the Titanic goes, and he's going to continue here.
02:45:02.820
I hang out and listen to the chamber orchestra.
02:45:05.760
If we each go to the new trendy club, and for those who don't know the reference, when
02:45:10.900
the Titanic was going down, the symphony orchestra was playing.
02:45:19.500
If we each go to the new trendy club, you get in right away without paying cover.
02:45:24.520
I wait in line like a schmuck for hours, only get in if I'm lucky, and still pay the $100
02:45:31.280
When the beaches of Normandy needed storming, a bunch of 18-year-old boys were sent off to
02:45:40.400
do the storming, while you stayed back and played Rosie the Riveter, double standards
02:45:45.920
are simply part and parcel of the complementary, yet contrasting reproductive strategies.
02:45:52.200
I don't think they're complementary, ultimately.
02:45:54.520
I think that one's dominant, and the other's not dominant.
02:46:00.480
I wouldn't even give it complementarian status.
02:46:07.020
I have better arguments for why it's not complementarian.
02:46:30.560
I don't know if he's done any comedy things lately.
02:46:42.460
Sometimes I just need a nap, and I'm being hysterical.
02:46:45.140
Women need to understand this so they don't blow up their lives because of mood swings.
02:46:52.700
What do you think about the comment from Andrew's wife?
02:47:03.780
I mean, you can just like kind of lie and pretend that that doesn't happen with women, but it
02:47:10.180
And if you talk to every man who's been in a relationship with a woman, they all have
02:47:15.620
seen this time and time and time again, where it's like, how come you're
02:47:19.080
how come my normally rational and pretty reasonable significant other has just lost her fucking
02:47:24.960
And by the way, they actually, and this is something a lot of men won't tell you.
02:47:33.580
They actually, like a survival kit, like a fucking survival kit in their home, like a
02:47:41.060
But if you're, if you're stuck on the side of the road, they have a preparation strategy
02:47:53.200
There's going to be men in the chat right now are telling you, I'm telling you, they're
02:48:01.600
I love this just because it's like all we're asking for some understanding.
02:48:04.640
I'm not saying I'm being rational on that one month.
02:48:08.280
It's like I'm in a coma or it could be the opposite.
02:48:12.540
Just understand that if I'm losing my mind in this moment, how do you differentiate between
02:48:17.720
when a woman's being hysterical to you and when she actually genuinely does need you?
02:48:21.760
Here's the thing that's really interesting about delusion.
02:48:29.040
If you have a rush of hormones you would not normally have, right, it can make you crazy.
02:48:34.840
You could do this with any human being on planet Earth.
02:48:37.100
You could perhaps take a man, right, and rush him with all sorts of like positive male hormones
02:48:42.640
and they go fucking berserko, right, and, you know, possibly rip doors off, handles, do
02:48:48.800
The thing about delusion, which is so interesting, is that the person who's deluded doesn't know
02:48:56.600
But how do you as her husband know when she's being delusional versus when she's like
02:49:03.420
It's just like, I've been with her for years and years and years.
02:49:05.740
But what about someone who's in a new marriage, let's say, or a new relationship?
02:49:08.380
Well, it's not hard to detect, usually for most men, that like, wow, this person was
02:49:13.480
really cool 24 hours ago and now they've lost their fucking mind.
02:49:18.920
And they continue, and then, wait, four days later, they seem like they haven't lost their
02:49:24.980
But I think like as the woman who's going through something that you might consider delusional
02:49:29.600
and maybe she, in the back of her mind, does know, realistically, this is not something
02:49:35.000
It's about having a partner who understands that like...
02:49:41.000
It's like, if you're in the delusion, you don't know how bad you are.
02:49:43.760
I know, I know, but eventually you cool off, and it's like having a partner who has the
02:49:46.800
empathy to like ride with you through that rollercoaster of emotion, because what you're
02:49:53.040
Because it's something you said hormonal that you can't even change.
02:49:56.640
The empathy the other direction should be like, look, I'm literally Jekyll and Hyde, and when
02:50:01.920
I turn into fucking Hyde, I want you to be empathetic.
02:50:06.820
When you turn into Hyde, when you become the monster, right, from Dr. Jekyll, it's
02:50:15.100
It's not just taking a pill on purpose to make it happen.
02:50:24.760
Like, if your wife, for example, is drinking heavily, and she turns into Jekyll because of
02:50:30.820
But to have a period, it's not a woman's choice to have.
02:50:34.120
Yeah, but what would a man do in both situations?
02:50:36.800
Be like, well, you gotta stop drinking, so you don't turn into Hyde, right?
02:50:40.940
Right, but here's the thing that's interesting about that, right?
02:50:45.640
But it's actually maximum empathy for a man to be like, look, you don't get to treat
02:51:00.240
But if the woman's not name-calling, she's not, you know, throwing things, she's not being
02:51:08.780
It also is like, you might not be making rational decisions, even if you're being nice to me,
02:51:17.060
It's not just a matter of like, you need to still be nice to me, even when you turn into
02:51:21.920
It's also, you're not allowed to make like big, big financial decisions, big decisions
02:51:27.120
You're not allowed to like, I don't know, embarrass me at a fucking party or something like you're
02:51:34.840
I just would hope that, you know, since you're married to a woman who can't help but have
02:51:39.700
those things happen to her each month, that you would have some empathy for her situation
02:51:43.920
that she's not choosing to turn into the jackpot.
02:51:45.940
But don't you understand like the biggest amount of empathy is exactly the idea of like,
02:51:50.280
I'm still going to listen to you because I know, right?
02:51:53.980
Somewhere in me, I know that this is not, even though I can't quite detect it, like most
02:51:58.780
women can't, they don't know when they're in it, that they're in it, right?
02:52:08.160
Yeah, it's hard to admit and it's even hard to like deal with, right?
02:52:11.900
So isn't the best thing to do from the empathetic level to deal with a rational
02:52:15.600
person guiding you through that to be like, look, you're out of control, stop, and you
02:52:26.300
Having a good partner that has your back like that.
02:52:29.760
I did want to come back just for a moment before we have to do a couple chats here.
02:52:34.040
Just going around the table, when I was talking about, well, it's with a double standard,
02:52:39.100
well, it's easier for women to get laid, harder for men to get laid.
02:52:45.600
I think it's easier for women to get laid for sure, especially with the apps.
02:52:55.120
I agree that I understand why it's considered an achievement for men to like have more body
02:53:02.140
count, but it doesn't explain why like it's despised that women have more body count.
02:53:09.580
Uh, yeah, well, we kind of, we kind of talked about it, but, uh, I think Andrew got into
02:53:25.780
So like, I mean, at its root, you're asking a fine question.
02:53:30.480
So you're saying, okay, I get it that there's a higher achievement, right?
02:53:35.060
That's why men would honor that over a woman who has a no achievement level because she can
02:53:38.500
just open her legs and a hundred men will run in.
02:53:43.580
If one sex is less revolted by an activity than another sex, right?
02:53:53.560
They just find it more disgusting than the other sex does.
02:53:59.260
They find it more disgusting when women have a higher body count than women find it disgusting
02:54:12.040
Um, would you agree that women will find physical weakness in men, uh, as less attractive
02:54:21.700
than if men, than men finding, uh, physical weakness in women?
02:54:34.500
Men are going to be very forgiving of physical weakness.
02:54:43.020
Whereas I think physical, like demonstrable physical, like imagine a five pound weight
02:54:48.160
and the guy's like struggling to lift a five pound weight or something like that.
02:54:52.740
I know that's an extreme example, but I, uh, women are going to find physical weakness.
02:55:06.640
You know, there's no example you could ever give about anything on planet earth where
02:55:21.960
If we're looking at it from a social scale, we would have to look at it at the social scale
02:55:26.140
of how these sexes generally seem to respond to this.
02:55:29.520
Is it the case that generally speaking, at least in all of your experiences, you would definitely
02:55:34.000
prefer to have a man who is at least stronger than you?
02:55:39.260
We're in 2025, so you're not building me a house.
02:55:45.000
Yeah, but all of those same reasons, like the building the hut and the fighting off the
02:55:51.040
saber-toothed tiger and this and that, would be rudimentary why it was that women were
02:55:59.300
You still had tribes where there was women that were the warriors, too.
02:56:09.660
Yeah, there were tribes out of the warriors that were women, but that's, yeah.
02:56:14.520
There really wasn't that many tribes where there was women warriors.
02:56:21.100
It's, it's, it's, it's very, the anthropological evidence.
02:56:35.900
Jungle, is this a pizza pop instead of a champagne pop?
02:56:48.260
Am I the only one that likes pineapple and pizza?
02:56:57.340
My wife, my wife loves it too, but that's how I know that, you know, Satan is involved.
02:57:05.700
There's a little bit of Satan in there somewhere.
02:57:14.480
Like if she's a virgin, you're sure that's your kid.
02:57:18.460
In that case, but he gave you a different example.
02:57:21.320
If it is the case that women are generally attracted to men who are strong.
02:57:26.360
So this is like biology or like evolution, right?
02:57:31.780
Well, in this case, we're just talking about even if you didn't know anything about evolution,
02:57:39.240
Because you would still at least observe that men or women were attracted to men who were strong.
02:57:47.300
You don't even need an evolutionary explanation.
02:57:51.120
And that men generally aren't attracted to women who are stronger than them, right?
02:57:59.900
You would at least observe that that is the case, right?
02:58:08.180
I see that you're kind of like not answering the question.
02:58:22.740
And then you can observe the counter that men don't seem to prefer particularly strong women.
02:58:31.560
So when they're looking for women, they're not like, oh, the fact that she can really lift up heavy shit is a big deal for them, right?
02:58:41.700
So what Brian's point was is like, if that's the case, we're talking about the distinction and observation in the intersexual dynamic and in the interpersonal dynamic.
02:58:53.580
What were you moving it into from the attraction portion?
02:59:08.260
Well, no, we were, when it came to the disgust thing, right?
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It would just be like, if it is the idea that if like really masculine women, meaning they were stronger than the men, disgusted men, or really weak men, disgusted women, is that like a double standard?
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Are there anything when it comes to, for a guy you're thinking about dating, are there any behaviors or traits that you might find disgusting?
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Well, I think that could go both ways, but that's fair, certainly.
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But are there anything maybe specifically related to this guy?
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If the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him, would you?
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If the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him, would you?
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I'm going to get on the, here, let me write down pizza.
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If he gets fucking pineapple pizza, you're going right off that balcony, dude.
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Pepper, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, pe, peperoni.
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So we'll pull up the bow video in just a sec, then we'll ask them the question.
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I really quick just wanted to finish up on this.
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Anything, like, gender specific when it comes to disgust?
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Like, would you date, are you typically attracted to men who are, like, shorter than you?
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You guys all get the ick when it comes to guy stuff.
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You explained the paternity uncertainty, right?
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The Christopher thing for the 20 gifted membership.
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I have a really quick test before we get into the bow video on the, like, the whole, like,
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easier to get sex thing because you had some disputes about it.
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How do we – you gave the example of the coat flasher guy.
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Here, we're going to do it like – I don't want to do this.
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Gabrielle, after the show tonight, would you like to have sex with me?
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I forgot your – this is the best way to proposition a woman for sex, by the way, not knowing her
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Would you like to have sex after the show tonight?
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You've been celibate for, like, three years or something.
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Would you like to have sex after the show tonight?
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See, you've just been offered sex on a silver platter.
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What if one of these ladies wants to but doesn't want everybody to – that's fair.
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I'm being devil's advocate because I've been in situations where I'm lying.
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So you guys are lying and you do want to have sex with Brian.
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But even if that's the case, wouldn't that make his point that, like, if any of you said
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But if after – if after the fact you're like, actually, Brian, you know what?
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I actually do kind of want to, like, you know, do this thing with you, right?
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Isn't it because you feel like you're devalued if right now you said yes?
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Like, if you were going to get some, like, esteem boost from that or, like, some crowns
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Not if we knew that as a heterosexual, which I'm not, like, for these ladies sitting here,
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if they said yes to that question to one of you guys –
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You know, but then when they leave here, the other guys who may think like y'all will
03:04:05.540
Like, you literally hit the nail on the head, right?
03:04:06.820
So the whole point would be he gets the crowns if they say yes, they get the shame if they
03:04:12.100
So, like, what if after the show we could make some, like, little arrangement or something
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In this case, you don't get the shame portion, right?
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And whoever does have sex with me after the show, that's your last body.
03:04:27.820
I thought you're someone who doesn't really believe in marriage.
03:04:47.280
Just to be clear, I wasn't genuinely propositioning you guys here.
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I'm turning them down and they're like, shit, maybe I shouldn't say that.
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And she was like, well, but Brian, what if after the show it's the case?
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Don't feel uncomfortable with the rest of the show being like, did that guy just try to fuck me?
03:05:33.640
It was just for the sake of the – what would that be?
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I was rhetorically asking for sex for the purpose of demonstrating –
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Because like next time you should make it more extreme, you should be like, hey, will
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You should just like take it one step like to the next, you know what I mean?
03:06:10.620
Oh, just like, oh, she won't have sex, but maybe –
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It's like he could just keep going through them, right?
03:06:29.180
The real rhetorical win here would be if they offered – now they were like, well,
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Brian, would you like some pussy after the show?
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So I can't really – is it really a rhetorical win then?
03:07:03.580
Thank you for the gifted 20 – and you sent it in twice.
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Is anybody who does a pop – I'm going to make this new rule.
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If you can actually specify in your pop in your messages, whether it's champagne, pizza – I guess it's too late now for some of you who did it previously.
03:07:32.400
If you want to single out somebody to not get champagne, like if you're doing a champagne pop and you're like, ah, chair two is annoying me.
03:07:45.820
So, Pasty George, if you want to preclude someone from having ice cream, you can do so.
03:07:51.660
But this is the second super chat you sent about an ice cream pop.
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I've had at least five things of champagne right now, so I'm not quite sure.
03:08:35.060
Yeah, well, there's like five sauces for cooking that are like the staples.
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We have a bunch of chats from Lucas here that I'm going to get through.
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Can we please – oh, remind me of the bow video for our good friend Jungle.
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Can we please, for once and for all, stick a fork in this blank slate?
03:09:13.320
Men have been since time immemorial and will continue to be viscerally and subconsciously revolted by promiscuity in women.
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And it was also settled even before the scientific method was even introduced as a method.
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This was something which was a matter of law prescribed by almost all societies globally because he's exactly right.
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It is a social constructionist theory, this idea that this doesn't exist, blank slate theory, that we have no preferences that are ingrained in us for the purposes of being revolted.
03:09:58.360
I think every time I ever ask someone, why is it revolting?
03:10:05.320
Yeah, but I feel like I gave you actually pretty –
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I'm just saying that that's why that discussion happened.
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And Lucas is mostly, by the way, totally right, except for me.
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But other than me, Lucas, you're the most right.
03:10:23.840
Jungle, I'll get to it once I get through all of Lucas' continuations.
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He's trying – you know, the Crucible likes to support the channels that support the Crucible,
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You're not changing fully entrenched preference.
03:11:17.840
Likewise, don't hearken to evolution as to why this primordial aversion to promiscuity should no longer apply, since we are now enlightened beyond our primitive impulses.
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It's an incontrovertible fact that almost all animals, including humans, have not changed, i.e. evolved.
03:11:40.860
In the last 200,000 years behind, a de minimis – oh, my God, this guy is on fire.
03:11:47.900
Lucas, you're on fire with the words that thesaurus has been brought out.
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Chat, if you need an attorney in New York City, he's your guy.
03:12:19.920
As a male dating coach, I recommend against trying to convince men, at least conservative men, they should look past body count.
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Otherwise, you're looking at an incredibly short foray.
03:12:32.460
As a men's dating coach, of course, if you're advising simp liberal soy boys, then disregard and Godspeed to you.
03:12:43.120
The first great point he makes is right at the end of it.
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Actually, progressives utilize feminism and utilize female promiscuity as a mating strategy.
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They are the ones you'll see at the forefront promoting OF and promoting all of the female promiscuity they possibly can.
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Instead of conservative traditional men, progressive men tend to do this because it's a much better mating strategy for them because they're pussies.
03:13:14.240
There's some men that actually really love a woman with a high count.
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I'll take this Pepsi challenge any day of the week.
03:13:24.260
I just think if it's your preference, it's your preference.
03:13:26.800
The other point that he says is, like, he's right.
03:13:29.320
So the modern incarnation of humanity is only, what, 200,000 to 400,000 years old from an evolutionary standpoint that's, like, meaningless.
03:13:40.100
Evolution takes millions of years for even gradual changes.
03:13:43.800
So even if it were the case that this is the incarnation of humanity that's 400,000 years old, we have not gotten past this idea of, like, we're revolted by this for recently.
03:13:54.500
Yeah, but it's interesting because a lot of us have already agreed that we already all came to it that we're like, oh, yeah, we know men have this revolting thing against women with high body counts.
03:14:08.540
There were, but we pushed it because we're trying to get a full flesh out.
03:14:14.140
Now, the only thing that I do is I've said that there are people that, like, I mean, women, too.
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Women can have a revolting thing against that, too.
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You can absolutely have women that are like, I am revolted against a high body count, men or women.
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We're just looking at the idea of, like, I would never dispute that.
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I've known women who are, like, absolutely not, like, playboys, things like that, disgust them visibly.
03:14:36.320
But generally speaking, if you're talking to a woman and you ask her the question I asked her, would you accept a man who has, like, a hundred body count if he fits all the other criteria?
03:14:47.200
But you ask a man, but you ask the man the same question.
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Would you accept a woman who meets all the criteria but she has, like, a hundred body count?
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I don't think it used to be as important, but I think it sure is important now because of trends.
03:15:06.320
You think that the answer is really going to change that much depending on if the man's more conservative or more liberal?
03:15:14.200
So I think that that kind of shows that different men have different...
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I've had men who are sitting right across from me who literally say, I prefer that my woman is certified pre-fucked.
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And the reason is, is because they're like, you think I'm an ally, right?
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But those men are getting more women these days sometimes than some of the traditional guys.
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Shoot, if that's their tactic and that's what they want to do, more power to them.
03:15:52.380
Like, you're not outright saying, I'm a Trump supporter.
03:15:54.380
The men who showed up to, like, the Women's March and wore pussy hats on their head, let me tell you something.
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Those are not guys who are getting a lot of pussy.
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If the girl has good looks, is the kind of guy who's going to show up and wear a pussy on his head?
03:16:13.120
If the girl he's really into wants him to, maybe.
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I think, like, we've acknowledged that these preferences and stuff exist.
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I think for me, and just watching the younger side.
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I'm definitely not a hypocrite, even though I'm having pizza and ice cream right now.
03:16:44.320
Okay, so we're going to do pizza, ice cream, and I have to get a burrito for me because he insisted on the burrito.
03:17:01.600
Gluten is kind of poison, so I don't blame you.
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Have you tried it overseas or in a different country, though?
03:17:13.160
Anyways, we have a message here from Rachel Wilson.
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Liberal beta men are the only ones who see high body count in women as good because it signifies a willingness on her part to do anything with anyone, which is the only way they're getting any.
03:17:35.080
We got to wait until she's back from the bathroom.
03:17:37.720
Here, while we're doing that, I'll read some of the pre-show notes.
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I will do the next 10 minutes of the show in a Priscilla voice.
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If we do a crystal pop, one Ethereum, one Ethereum, I'll do the Priscilla voice.
03:18:24.980
You just got to shotgun questions at him so that he can't divert it to run the time.
03:18:39.000
Once she's back, we'll do the bow video, but we do have some other notes we're going to
03:19:31.280
Let's do one at a time so there's not like a amalgamation of like popsicle sucking sounds
03:19:42.580
Then when she finishes, it's got to be one by one.
03:19:44.940
I just can't have all of you doing the popsicle.
03:19:57.920
It picks it up in the microphone and they're going to murder me if they're like, this is
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I have a eyebrow piercing and I have chest piercings.
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How it affects you is how it's going to affect you.
03:21:26.200
You're a dating coach, a hypnotherapist, an author, and a producer.
03:21:28.780
You didn't say you were a hypnotherapist in your intro.
03:21:45.080
What I do is I teach people how to do a meditation where it's more somatic, where you can go back
03:21:50.240
into a memory and reframe that memory so you're not as triggered by that memory anymore.
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Men are as disgusted by women with a high bod count as women are disgusted by men with
03:22:19.260
I forgot how to have a Pokemon card collection.
03:22:31.740
I got to wait until everybody's back at the table before I get into the...
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Because I think Andrew's in the bathroom right now.
03:22:38.980
So here, let's do the bow video while we have everybody at the table.
03:22:45.200
So keep this in mind while you're watching this following video.
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The question is, if the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him,
03:23:30.360
I don't know what the fuck was in the left corner ready.
03:23:42.760
By the way, while you're doing ordering, you got to order in some of those.
03:23:51.100
Like, she tried to do, like, give me a half-assed bow.
03:24:10.220
So, the question was, if the man of your dreams, fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him.
03:24:20.380
I feel like the man of my dreams wouldn't want me to bow, but if for some reason he was on something and wanted it, sure.
03:24:53.860
She's the thickest white girl you've ever, why are your eyes, you're like, your eyes are closed and you're like picturing that shit.
03:25:17.520
And she's got, she's got, do you like girls with like color in their hair?
03:25:22.280
Oh, as long as they have beautiful hair, I don't care what color it is.
03:25:28.960
That's crazy, but I like brunettes or black hair.
03:25:30.940
But if it was a blonde, would it be a disqualifier?
03:25:36.340
You'd be like, oh, you're a beautiful woman, but you're blonde.
03:25:39.460
Yeah, you got to have a lot more to back that blonde hair up.
03:26:04.940
I feel like over the course of a couple of years, you have, like, really driven this
03:26:11.160
point home to the point where the answers are completely 180 from what they used to be.
03:26:16.400
I have single-handedly shifted the cultural zeitgeist.
03:26:27.840
Is it a one-time thing, or do I have to do it every day?
03:26:47.260
No, he can be less perfect, and I don't have to...
03:26:57.340
Yeah, I think this deal makes him less perfect already.
03:27:07.720
She's been having some relationship problems, because she doesn't do the bow.
03:27:25.560
I don't know how, like, the lesbian relationships work, but there's a...
03:27:27.960
Yeah, but I really like this kneel thing that I came from that hair and about.
03:27:39.100
Because it's like kneeling on your knee, like, proposing type?
03:27:50.800
Not a kneeling bow, but can you just do it on your chair?
03:28:11.760
Her legs wouldn't be pointing towards the back of the chair.
03:28:15.360
She'd have to change her orientation to do it...
03:28:33.080
When you say kneel, are you saying kneel like you're on both your knees?
03:29:19.640
Bro, that's like doing the Black Lives Matter thing where you kneel.
03:29:33.660
That's the most important thing in relationships is compromise.
03:29:36.220
Well, that's the only thing I would compromise on.
03:29:42.240
Are you doing it every day or just three days a week?
03:29:44.900
But then again, are you in a relationship right now, Brian?
03:29:49.960
That doesn't mean you're not in a relationship.
03:30:31.440
You said you were going to do an ice cream pot.
03:30:45.460
I just need to call Pasty out because you said you would do an ice cream pot, and where
03:31:06.320
But it just registered with me, and it is pretty funny.
03:31:24.460
Like, I'm not going to forget, Brian, about this bow thing.
03:31:28.280
I wrote down notes in case Andrew fucking challenged me on this shit.
03:31:36.840
What's it called when people have response trees?
03:31:55.440
No, because you know you're about to get, like, BTFO'd on the bow.
03:32:01.540
But I just want to make sure that you know you insisted.
03:32:11.120
Let me let these chats come through, because I don't want to be a goblin.
03:32:20.940
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03:32:30.820
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03:32:57.480
Someone in the chat suggested that Andrew and I debate each other.
03:33:00.100
If I had to handicap it, this is how it would go.
03:33:15.140
So technically, I am the man of your present dreams.
03:33:23.640
You know, you know, Jungle, you're kind of hoeing around on the crucible a little too much.
03:33:28.340
You know, you're hoeing around a little too much here, Jungle.
03:33:31.860
You know, I get the whole, you know, support the people who support, but geez, you know,
03:33:47.020
In retort to Andrew on this, Jungle, if you'd like, I'll arrange.
03:33:53.160
I think, do you want to go on a date with Jungle?
03:34:12.040
You know, Brian, it cracked this perfectly good joke, and I feel like you made it kind
03:34:31.060
Well, should I do a champagne pop or an ice cream pop?
03:34:44.980
Whoever you didn't find out is just Spurg it out.
03:34:50.900
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03:35:08.520
I feel like we've got to give Jungle something.
03:35:11.460
How about you send Jungle a, like, a whatever labia sweater?
03:35:17.140
I got, maybe he just wants, like, a whatever one instead.
03:35:27.300
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03:36:30.260
So, me and Andrew, we're going to debate, but I need to find all my notes here to just
03:36:35.200
But until you can, we should probably get into some of the show notes.
03:36:38.980
It seems like you're kind of, like, a little scared.
03:36:59.020
I'm going to admit that for the perfect woman, I would bow, and I'm going to have to have
03:37:06.660
It's going to be hypothetical, hypothetical, hypothetical.
03:37:11.580
I think he's going to make some really good points, though.
03:37:24.520
So, oh, before we get into it, before we do, I need to pose her a question.
03:37:36.460
So, this would be the perfect guy in terms of what you would find most physically attractive,
03:37:43.680
perfect guy in terms of what you would find in terms of personality, and then if you
03:37:48.320
want, you could add on, like, he's a trillionaire.
03:37:53.300
That's, when I'm saying perfect, that's what I'm willing to grant for the hypothetical.
03:38:00.700
If you just saw what just happened, you would have lost your fucking mind.
03:38:25.220
Now I want to know what the fuck is going to happen.
03:38:31.660
And so if the cameras aren't like where they're supposed to.
03:38:34.740
No, she walked in front of it and we saw the back of her head for like a good five seconds.
03:38:58.480
When you do it, well, I'm going to up it, but would you, for, yeah, three times a week,
03:39:08.460
I don't understand the differential though of like, yes, three, three days a week, but
03:39:15.660
Like what's the, what's the, uh, reasoning there?
03:39:26.320
Once you get your PhD, do you want to become a professor or you want to, I assume you want
03:39:41.060
Uh, if somebody came along, uh, some like really weird autistic guy came along and said,
03:39:48.400
I don't know, he came along and he was like, I'm going to pay you a million dollars a year
03:39:54.460
and all you have to do is, uh, you have to work at my restaurant for 10 minutes a day.
03:40:01.500
And all you have to do is just bow to the guests who are coming into the restaurant only
03:40:15.220
So that's a million dollars a year, but you wouldn't, you wouldn't do it for your perfect
03:40:22.340
Who's a trillionaire who conceivably your shared wealth would far exceed making a million dollars
03:40:28.100
I think it's a different thing because that would be a job, but now we're talking about
03:40:35.460
I think there's some like, um, like power, like difference.
03:40:42.540
Let's even grant that it is a power thing and he just gets off.
03:40:52.420
Well, I mean, if he has you come in for 10 minutes a day to bow and gives you a million
03:41:03.080
Even if it was about power, the employer just wanted to see you out.
03:41:06.440
What if in every other aspect he's treating you with respect, it's everything that your
03:41:13.060
All he's asking is for a moment of submission to be like, I love you.
03:41:20.660
It's almost like a thank you more than just like a, I'm your, I don't know, subservient.
03:41:27.120
I think sometimes people hear submissive and they think very negative.
03:41:36.080
So he's like, he's not the right match then if she's not into it too.
03:41:40.420
It's just interesting because she's willing to do it for pay, but not for the perfect partner
03:41:44.720
of her dreams who were, she can probably live the rest of her life in a certain time.
03:41:47.400
I kind of get some of that with it being like your partner.
03:41:49.900
Cause that's the person you share every meal with.
03:41:51.820
You spend every night, usually sleeping in bed with.
03:41:54.560
So to know that that power dynamic is like off for her for the rest of her life in that
03:41:59.020
relationship, whereas a job, she could come in a couple shifts, get a couple million dip.
03:42:03.200
But look at, but look at you, what you're pursuing, um, masters, doctors, which one?
03:42:10.100
A woman pursuing a PhD or with a PhD is probably not bowing to anyone.
03:42:15.880
So I think it goes right back to the substance of person.
03:42:20.420
We got one right here who has her nose turned up and I would, I mean, she's willing to do
03:42:25.460
it as a job, but she's not willing to do it for the partner of her rest of her life.
03:42:29.700
So this one, I have a, a bit of an internal conflict with, do I think that there's men
03:42:36.660
out there who are very prideful and would be very dominant in a relationship, but would
03:42:42.160
still go to like a Caesar's palace and bow for 10 minutes for a million dollars a year?
03:42:47.580
I don't think that that's even problematic or contradictory.
03:42:51.380
The whole point here is the, the matter of like love and respect.
03:42:55.720
The idea is, is that your partner, if they feel like it's showing them love and respect
03:43:00.000
for you, for you to take the submissive position, they want to see that in a bow.
03:43:05.680
That's really what the heart of the question is.
03:43:07.360
Now, whether or not you go to a Caesar's palace and bow for a fucking million dollars
03:43:14.660
If it would benefit my entire family to go to a Caesar's palace and bow for 10 fucking
03:43:21.640
I'd fucking take the million bucks and laugh on my way out.
03:43:24.120
But in regards to what we're comparing here, where it's her job for part-time work of a
03:43:30.440
And then the rest of her life is being spent with somebody.
03:43:33.600
It's like you going to Caesar's palace and they're saying, you have to give up your wife
03:43:40.380
But that's a completely different type of hypothetical that really doesn't dive in.
03:43:44.500
I don't think that, I don't think the hypothetical gets to the heart of what we're trying to
03:43:48.700
No, that's her argument is that she would be willing to do it for work for the 10 minutes
03:43:54.060
Which is exactly why I think the hypothetical doesn't get to what we're trying to get to.
03:43:57.780
I would just concede that I think that most men, if I went to basically any man on planet
03:44:02.800
earth and was like, Hey, show up for 10 minutes and bow to people and I'll give you a million
03:44:07.820
He's like, whatever, I'll take the million bucks and laugh all the way to the bank.
03:44:11.920
That doesn't really get to the heart of what we're after here.
03:44:14.380
The heart of what we're after is, is that if a man wants that type of submission from his
03:44:21.820
For some reason, he feels like this is the ultimate way in which he receives respect and
03:44:44.300
The both of me is, if I want, she gives because she trusts me.
03:44:57.080
I've dated guys that were like that, that like they loved that kind of dynamic, but they
03:45:01.240
also appreciated that I, you know, stronger in other areas.
03:45:08.920
It was like they loved that I was strong and had a career and they empowered me in it.
03:45:14.940
A different example that you could give her that wasn't specifically a bow.
03:45:18.380
I'm wondering if it's the bow that makes it seem like it's a less than tender.
03:45:21.380
Oh, I think, I think the bow is, I think the bow is fine.
03:45:26.000
I think that, I think that the bow is a fine, fine example.
03:45:30.460
The idea here is like women get on their knees and suck men's dicks.
03:45:33.700
It's like, don't, don't give me a bunch of shit about how bowing is too fucking, it's
03:45:42.860
For every day to the same person, maybe they'll like, you know.
03:45:48.460
I mean, if there's reciprocity though, if the guy, if the guy's on his knees for you.
03:45:54.280
And it's like, okay, you won't bow to a guy, but on the first date, you'll have sex with
03:46:07.560
The women feel like they're getting something out of that.
03:46:10.180
Whereas the bowing, they might think is just like a, it's just weird for some women.
03:46:14.460
I think she just may be an exception to the rule.
03:46:17.440
She may be the one of, you know, one out of the power woman.
03:46:24.520
I think, I feel like the majority, other than because you, you're a little more masculine
03:46:29.240
I think the majority of us were like, yeah, we're going to do that.
03:47:05.400
I still have some of the original bottles, so we'll do a cheers.
03:47:17.100
By the way, Brian, I just want to let you know, two times, two times now, you're like,
03:47:24.060
And I just wanted to kind of bring it back real quick.
03:47:31.100
By the way, the pizza and the burrito and the ice cream is coming.
03:47:54.460
But one time, there was like an almost full champagne bottle.
03:47:58.140
And I was like, fuck, nobody's drinking anything.
03:48:07.420
And there's something about champagne that bubbles more.
03:48:09.780
Andrew Pastey's asking what he wants to do a specific kind of pop.
03:48:26.320
I refuse to do any type of monkey activity in front of women.
03:48:42.420
My Ethereum thing is in the description of the video.
03:48:47.100
So you can do Cristal if you want to do something a bit unique.
03:48:59.580
If you send in Brian one Ethereum, I'll light up a smoke in this room.
03:49:22.020
For a pop, so a thousand, you can have one of the guests, including me.
03:49:33.140
For 10 minutes, they'll wear the helicopter hat.
03:49:44.360
For no, I don't have, I have no good reason for it.
03:49:48.340
He's trying to deflect because he doesn't want to wear it.
03:49:55.760
I have green eggs and ham, and I have the butter and ham.
03:49:59.980
I do want to kind of see you read Cat in the hat.
03:50:19.620
So, anyone who dropped 6K can get a date with the women who appear on whatever.
03:50:23.060
Looks like Brian has officially advanced to the position of E-pimp, shaking my head for shame.
03:50:38.340
Gabrielle's my girl, and I'm trying to do her a solid.
03:50:47.420
He's my homie as of yesterday and the day before.
03:50:59.220
He's going for the date because he likes mixed-race women with piercings.
03:51:18.440
He likes curly-haired women with glasses and daddy issues and piercings.
03:51:29.140
You need a way bigger shovel to bury that hole, though.
03:51:55.740
If you want, but you've got to specify who you want to wear the hat.
03:52:01.960
I think Brian would wear it and have fun with it.
03:52:08.680
I think people have been really supportive tonight.
03:52:11.760
Because of the just total, you, the past three days, Andrew, you have had a complete, you've
03:52:35.660
You secured the victory for all three of your most recent debates.
03:52:39.660
And I think this is just the audience coming in and they're doing a little celebration here.
03:52:48.520
Aren't there more debates coming, including tomorrow?
03:52:51.320
Yes, we have, guys, tomorrow, 3.30 p.m., big debate.
03:52:56.900
Possibly this might be bigger than all the previous ones.
03:53:07.220
Wait, do you guys have like a master class type of, I feel like I heard something like that.
03:53:14.480
Give me all of your money so I can go buy guns with it.
03:53:31.340
So this guy on Twitch said one Ethereum, there you go, four minutes ago.
03:53:38.500
But I do not see any indication of an Ethereum.
03:53:45.000
It's like right now I think it's 2,500 last I checked.
03:54:12.200
Isn't that what they say we should do with you guys?
03:54:17.280
Oh my God, Christopher Murphy, you're a legend, sir.
03:54:24.660
And then, you know, me and Andrew will debate a little later on about the battle.
03:54:28.900
By the way, I just wanted to ask everybody who's in the audience currently, either if you're watching from The Crucible or hear from The Great Whatever,
03:54:35.900
did you see that that chick from yesterday decided to take five to seven days off for mental health?
03:54:54.400
In 1v1 debates, I'm always super nice unless the other person's a fucking dickhead.
03:55:00.260
Do you usually see any people who are just almost opposite of your viewpoint?
03:55:06.580
A lot of times, the closer they are, the more brutal the debate.
03:55:16.920
So I debate it from a passion form because I think it trumps all other worldviews.
03:55:24.200
That's why I'm good at it is because I honestly believe my worldview is better.
03:55:44.520
You're destroying everything on Sir Jungle's name.
03:56:01.560
You need to have a guy up who's got a fucking chick at home, Brian, after he supports the
03:56:15.780
There was just a misunderstanding, in my opinion.
03:56:18.500
Outside perspective, it was a misunderstanding.
03:56:29.380
How does that equate to he wants a date, Brian?
03:56:49.560
He's making – he's literally contrasting a hypothetical.
03:56:53.020
He's like, so since it is the case that you're dreaming of me all the time, just remember
03:56:57.780
I'll always be here when you bow in your dreams to a man like me.
03:57:00.980
How does that equate to, like, he wants a date, dude?
03:57:19.920
What kind of obfuscation – what the fuck kind of obfuscation?
03:57:22.540
I still think it was a misunderstanding, so I will –
03:57:30.140
Now, I know he probably meant a man like me, but it sounds like, oh, me, jungle F, here's
03:57:44.540
If I say, I'm in your dreams, how does that equate to, I want you?
03:57:47.720
But wait, is that still okay for you to say if you – like, would your wife be okay if
03:57:53.140
Yeah, if I said, oh, look, this chick, I literally dominate her mind in her dreams.
03:57:58.280
My wife – how would – why would she be upset by that?
03:58:02.100
Because that would be who X person would be dreaming of.
03:58:11.240
I could see where Brian was trying to give him a shot.
03:58:29.580
Brian was like, yeah, I just thought I was doing something good.
03:58:33.420
And, like, it could have been easily misunderstood.
03:58:36.640
Wait, Jungle, I don't want you to feel like you're getting screwed over here.
03:58:47.040
Put on the fucking dunce cap so I can flick it.
03:58:51.300
Put on the dunce cap so I can flick the fucking propeller, Brian.
03:59:00.400
I'm assuming instead of the champagne pop, we're going to do a dunce cap pop.
03:59:05.900
So, I'm going to wear that shit backwards, though.
03:59:19.600
Maybe I've got to do it, like, a little tighter.
04:00:21.700
The show's been derailed for like an hour at this point.
04:00:33.700
Forgive me for the simping I'm about to do, but...
04:00:41.460
I can't forgive you for the simping I'm about to do.
04:00:45.900
I'm going to read it, but you're going to pay the sim tax.
04:00:49.760
There's a luminous glow about you that captures everyone's attention.
04:01:00.280
I'm just going to start hitting the button, Brian.
04:01:01.900
Your elegance and radiance glows like the midday sun and are impossible to ignore.
04:01:32.160
If you're going to do a simp message, you got to pay the simp tax, and that's a champagne
04:01:41.980
Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, $100 read.
04:01:44.960
I know we've been kind of getting off topic here, just like meta conversation.
04:01:48.940
We're going to get back into the substance of the show, talking about dating.
04:02:28.340
Is it my personal Instagram, or did you DM on whatever?
04:02:40.100
If you're enjoying the stream, like the video also.
04:02:59.340
Like, you know how people have their deal breakers and you're advocating for it?
04:03:02.300
What if you met your perfect woman, but she doesn't have big labia?
04:03:14.880
I'm just curious if that's a deal breaker for you.
04:03:19.280
If she doesn't have what you consider big labia, but in every other aspect, that's your...
04:03:26.600
Because I see a lot of these men buying your BLM hoodies.
04:03:35.900
We've got big labia, big labia matter hoodies, t-shirts, if you want to get one, shop.whatever.com.
04:03:44.980
And we'll give you a shout out if you send one in.
04:03:50.740
Yeah, it's not a deal breaker, but it is a preference.
04:04:03.100
I was just curious because some people are very like...
04:04:05.880
I know some women who are like, oh, you can't be under a certain...
04:04:08.820
Which to me is crazy, but everybody has their preference.
04:04:14.120
We could probably do this, assuming it's available.
04:04:19.720
But if it's like some super unique alcohol, but I think Andrew would really like this.
04:04:24.080
So yeah, we'll go and buy it if you do the pot.
04:04:34.500
Pasty needs to put his money where his mouth is.
04:04:48.180
Let me get through some of the show notes while we're just waiting.
04:04:57.320
Oh, Natalie, are you going to do some hypnotherapy for us or what?
04:05:04.380
Is hypnotherapy somewhat comparable to like placebo effect where it's like, okay, maybe if
04:05:14.640
Like affirmations have been shown and proven that like if you force yourself to believe
04:05:19.760
something or say it over and over and over again, you'll actually behave that way and
04:05:23.540
can break through any limits or fears that you have.
04:05:27.980
So Tony Robbins has this thing where like he'll do this trick and technique where whenever
04:05:32.760
you're feeling down and out, you just get up, start moving around, move that energy,
04:05:36.680
And then what he does is he'll like scream affirmations until he forces himself to believe
04:05:42.840
So you can dilulu your way into an amazing life for sure.
04:05:49.280
If you can force yourself to believe that you're worthy and you're good enough, then you can
04:06:04.660
Because please don't, more about like her, her strategy, I guess, for clients and stuff.
04:06:13.060
So like, have you ever been, have you ever been engaged or married and have you gotten
04:06:24.160
A lot of my clients, I've been coaching for a long time.
04:06:30.280
I have a lot of clients right now that are, they're finding themselves, they're, you know,
04:06:33.900
getting better in their career, they're finding the love of their lives, the women that are
04:06:37.640
good pairs for them, getting married, all that.
04:06:40.080
I was close to getting engaged, but he wasn't the right one.
04:06:51.160
I kind of like, there's only been very, very few clients that I've met in person, unless
04:06:56.340
But I try and keep that, yeah, I keep that, that space.
04:07:00.560
So you don't engage in like matchmaking services?
04:07:08.640
I mean, I'm sorry, your hat is way more entertaining.
04:07:15.020
Remember, boys are more, you know, they have a different...
04:07:19.680
No, I don't really, but I told him, I was like, I don't really...
04:07:23.460
Yeah, and you can, like I said, you can delusion your way into believing whatever you want.
04:07:41.320
So I could hook you up with some custom maker's mark.
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Just send me a DM on Instagram and we can arrange for that.
04:07:53.840
Looks like they bought a t-shirt, so appreciate that.
04:08:05.640
Is there a liquor ordering service in your area?
04:08:07.500
If so, could you order a bottle of liquor of Andrew's favorite liquor so he could enjoy
04:08:11.660
a glass of it, but not the whole bottle for a pop?
04:08:16.280
So I'm a partial to vodka and soda, but you can get it pre-canned.
04:08:23.420
I can actually walk right next door and grab those right now, Brian.
04:09:03.680
Do you want him to pay before you order, or do you want to already have it on hand for
04:09:20.140
Okay, so we'll get the drink, but you've got to do the pop.
04:09:26.300
Andrew, can you ask a question for the panel while I get the food all suggested?
04:09:33.520
I feel like he just wants to not be on camera with that dunce cap.
04:10:20.220
You know how at the bottom of the pizza, there's always, like, up to the toppings?
04:10:26.080
The pizza box, it's, like, treats for fat kids, where you just, like, grab them, and you
04:10:31.740
To answer your question, honestly, like, I've done some of it, and I understand, like, affirmations.
04:10:37.200
So, I understand that if someone else comes in and gives me better thoughts than what
04:10:42.760
Like, I grew up with a voice in my head that said some nasty things and mean things.
04:10:48.180
Do you not have, like, a voice that tells you things?
04:10:57.080
So, there was my internal dialogue that didn't say very nice things.
04:11:00.320
So, there was, like, hypnotherapy or people who would give me better affirmations or better
04:11:06.180
things for me to say in my head, my internal dialogue.
04:11:10.140
But, honestly, with a lot of it, getting the hypnotherapy certification, and I'm just going
04:11:17.300
to say it, getting the hypnotherapy certification was easy.
04:11:41.700
But when I went off on my own, I started my own company, and I started my own business.
04:12:07.240
They'd be like, I've got this, and I've got this, and I've got this.
04:12:13.420
There's some little things that I'll do, but yeah.
04:12:17.240
I did the certifications and all that because I wanted to be like, look, I know what the
04:12:31.920
I specifically make sure that I don't give advice.
04:12:35.660
So I always tell my audience, I'm not your guru.
04:12:45.640
I mean, there's advice that I'll give, but mostly it's like you are trying to get the
04:12:49.320
person to figure out what it is that they want and go after it.
04:12:52.160
So, but I mean, I'm sure if someone came up to you and actually asked for advice, you'd
04:13:04.060
Well, it's not just they don't want to fuck up their life, but I think that unless you
04:13:08.480
intricately know a person's situation from the inside out, and it takes a long time to
04:13:14.060
To really get to know a person, that any advice you give them is...
04:13:19.320
...is likely going to be bad unless it's basic.
04:13:26.420
That's pretty basic advice I think anybody can give, and it would probably be pretty good,
04:13:37.420
I'll have them write that out, and then I can at least tell them why they're not maybe
04:13:47.500
You can figure out how to go after what you want.
04:13:51.200
I'm just there as also someone to take accountability or help you with accountability, too, to get
04:14:01.460
But the hypnotherapy thing, do you actually engage in that?
04:14:11.180
So there's this that would be, I guess, considered under the umbrella.
04:14:21.640
And so they're not going after the woman that they really want.
04:14:46.980
They'll be the ones that say, I used to do this.
04:14:51.020
So I get to tell them, like, look, if that's what you're really wanting, what are you doing?
04:14:57.700
So then you try to give them like a gentle push if they kind of reveal that.
04:15:00.980
I feel like most people with church art don't want it until they actually open up to it.
04:15:36.920
Is that big, fat burrito you're about to stick in your mouth, Brian?
04:15:49.380
Honestly, Brian, like, the points are just going through the roof, I feel like.
04:15:58.540
This is payback for that fucking pineapple pizza, you piece of shit.
04:16:08.320
Remember that time you tried to keep me from In-N-Out?
04:16:25.020
He was just fucking with me because it was funny.
04:17:17.680
It does look like she could probably have a lot of that burrito, though.
04:17:46.120
Listen, I agree that it's borderline satanic to open a burrito.
04:17:56.140
There's going to be people listening who actually believe that.
04:18:28.300
Can you fucking tell, Brian, the steak burrito is the way?
04:18:42.880
Does another burrito pop, and then I'll have the steak burrito.
04:19:07.380
Look, it's the woman goes back into her native habitat and grabs the plates.
04:19:27.280
These little critters can be really tricky sometimes.
04:19:46.360
Literally, the prince of Australia, who is watching this right now, who is so fucking disappointed
04:20:05.120
Now, the true king of Australia, his name, he has an Italian name.
04:20:14.940
And I'm just telling you, you ruined the whole joke.
04:20:55.000
There's a bunch of chats that have come through.
04:20:56.760
We'll get through the chats, and I promise we'll get to the show.
04:20:59.820
So, and we do have ice cream, too, for that ice cream pop.
04:21:42.420
Get your favorite alcoholic drink and enjoy it.
04:22:00.020
You bought a t-shirt, it looks like, on shop.whatever.com.
04:22:08.420
So it looks like you bought like three t-shirts.
04:22:14.100
There's the box of those things that's like right there in the fridge.
04:22:27.520
Andrew, I'm going to have two chats come through.
04:22:36.280
Great job on your decade-long weight loss journey has not taken.
04:22:40.720
It appears that you have gone down in weight from Jabba the Hutt to Pizza the Hutt.
04:23:06.040
We hereby declare your DM should be there now in the personal.
04:23:15.020
You can just check the cans in the trash maybe.
04:23:23.780
So I do deserve a smoke in the studio, but Brian's obviously being a little fucking bitch and there's
04:23:29.520
no possible way that he's going to allow that because you know what I mean?
04:23:33.840
So maybe we can compromise somewhere else, Jungle.
04:23:43.880
You won't let me smoke in the studio at least one cigarette.
04:23:47.820
Here's what I'm willing to do when I'm moving out of this place.
04:24:01.320
Not all of us are homesteading with like hundreds of guns on our expansive Michigan luxury mansions.
04:24:13.900
But some of us are in like a small farmhouse like myself and do have that.
04:24:43.040
Uptown, it looks like you bought a, maybe a big labia matter.
04:24:49.360
Man, they are buying up the merch tonight, Brian.
04:24:57.820
We've got to have the dishwasher, you know, squid shirt going.
04:25:05.500
Was Jungle, that last pop he did, was he saying I have to go get a steak burrito now?
04:25:12.780
He was saying that steak, that chicken burritos are for bitches.
04:25:21.960
You sent one in, so tell me what you, what you want instead of, I'll go, I'll get
04:25:28.860
By the way, you don't have to send, don't send, you don't have to send in a thousand.
04:25:43.220
So I asked for a bit light on the cheese and extra sauce.
04:25:46.780
And they took that to mean no cheese and a fuck ton of red sauce.
04:25:57.400
I feel like that's a little more Italian style.
04:26:00.240
Dude, everybody is losing their mind over this burrito thing.
04:26:09.040
I feel like it depends on the steak where you're getting it from.
04:26:13.300
Even my wife eats the steak fajita and the steak burrito.
04:26:15.920
Or even she loves chicken, and she still eats the steak burrito.
04:26:32.640
My man card's been revoked because of my burrito preferences.
04:26:59.880
People think that, oh, only ugly dudes will go get help.
04:27:05.460
So, I'll have some clients that are, like, gorgeous, you know, very good looking, well
04:27:12.020
But once you start, like, talking about, you know, your family life and your problems and
04:27:28.740
This goes way back into earlier in the podcast when you had mentioned that men do actually
04:27:33.900
better interpersonally, and they have really close relationships with other men and things
04:27:37.840
So, why is it when it comes to women in a relationship, they automatically go, nope,
04:27:43.280
But with other men, you said, questionably, even with close friendships, it could be a little
04:27:48.720
bit harder to keep those, like, they have to work a little bit harder for those relationships.
04:27:52.820
I'm trying to make sure I, I understand what you're saying.
04:27:59.180
So, if you're fine with this, Andrew, can you hold that question for later on in the
04:28:04.580
show just so we can move things along just a little bit?
04:28:07.640
But I'm happy to have you ask the question a bit later.
04:28:10.160
Guys, really quick, go to Twitch on TV slash whatever.
04:28:12.180
Guys, it's been 33 minutes since we last got a Prime.
04:28:24.040
You guys have, like, the best chorus singing voices ever.
04:29:16.600
By the way, everybody out there watching right now like this video.
04:29:32.860
I think you should make that like part of your soundboard now.
04:30:12.640
I didn't know you were going to do a countdown.
04:31:58.220
I'm going to pour one out for my homie Jungle F.
04:32:05.580
Thank you, Jungle F, for coming through big tonight.
04:32:21.600
Do you really think a black man could have that?
04:32:37.940
Listen, the two black lesbian women at this table will not stand for this.
04:33:10.160
Getting through to the rest of the notes, we're going back to Natalie.
04:33:16.840
You said you had a first date take you to a sex shop.
04:33:39.560
I'm on a plane on cocaine and I don't know how I am.
04:33:48.400
Were you aware during the date that this was happening or was it later that you were
04:33:52.400
It was kind of all of a sudden I'm realizing that he's talking a lot and his eyes are bulging.
04:34:02.600
Because I wanted to impress him and say yes to whatever.
04:34:12.360
On a first date, not knowing the person and then watching them high on cocaine was crazy.
04:34:20.220
Dorian with Pacey's either trolling or he's in there.
04:34:21.400
Yo, Christopher Murph, you think for the gifted 20 memberships, you are a legend.
04:34:34.120
And then you were on a different date with a guy.
04:34:37.060
He drove you up the coast to his favorite restaurant at sunset.
04:35:11.000
Like, if he was just doing it, going out of his own way.
04:35:13.520
But, I mean, he liked seafood, too, and it was his favorite spot.
04:35:16.680
It was, like, something that he was already going to in Malibu, you know?
04:35:23.160
I personally think the best first date is to have the girl come over and do your laundry.
04:35:30.780
And then if she does, you put a ring on it, right?
04:35:37.480
On a first date, would you guys fold to do laundry, starting with you?
04:35:53.040
For your perfect guy, would you fold his laundry?
04:35:58.080
Why is this perfect guy also always asking me to do weird stuff?
04:36:16.480
She works at a high school, but not as a teacher.
04:36:23.200
Um, he used to be a high school teacher, but later he became a, like, environmental engineer.
04:36:30.560
So you wouldn't do a, what, okay, not on the first date, but, like, you're married to
04:36:35.940
the guy and he was like, hey, I'm going to, I want to marry you, but you have to do all
04:36:43.340
You just have to do the laundry, all the laundry in the house.
04:36:49.460
Like, that's, only in this condition will he marry me, or what is this?
04:36:59.700
Well, there could be extended circumstances, like, you're injured, you're extraordinarily
04:37:04.700
sick, there's external problems which happen, and so because of those, he does the laundry
04:37:12.680
because you're unavailable to do so, due to no fault of your own, but for the most part,
04:37:30.000
Well, and even if you could, let's just assume it would only be for the means of which you
04:37:34.480
could, and if the means were not there, then you're doing it.
04:37:38.500
Okay, well, I have a good example from my own life, because we kind of...
04:37:53.860
The Chinese, you know, this is why foreigners come into the United States, they get feminized,
04:38:03.520
She also went to Germany, which is really feminist.
04:38:08.440
But, you know, even the United States is pretty bad, too.
04:38:19.320
Who would have ever thought that Germany would crank out feminists, you know?
04:38:26.160
Their history is not, it's not really a very feminist history.
04:38:55.720
So, my understanding with the, it's, you have to do chair three.
04:39:00.260
Oh, you have to do, it's 499 for a 20-minute mute.
04:39:17.200
Yeah, I'll do five minutes for a 200 if you want to send it.
04:39:27.860
Wait, no, the TTS is 200, so I don't think that's.
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Send in another 200, and we'll silence our mic for the whole duration.
04:39:36.560
Christopher, if you do another 200, we'll, we'll duration the show?
04:39:48.920
Pasty George, Andrew enjoying his two packets and bypassing the smoke.
04:39:56.340
Guys, if you want to get a message in, read is 100, TTS is 200.
04:39:59.420
Also, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video of ML Cash App, whatever pod, if you
04:40:26.020
If it was anybody sitting there and they touched this part, give me a new one, Mary.
04:40:52.980
Look, let me show you the proper, and then the pinky has to be out, okay?
04:41:08.600
Remember, I was going to do a voice, but I forgot.
04:41:20.760
Okay, but, okay, if I judge the can, if I hold it from the bottom.
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I get to do it my way, but the pinky has to be out.
04:42:07.400
I don't have bowls, so we're eating out of plates.
04:42:40.140
I'm a fan of vanilla women, but not of vanilla ice cream, okay?
04:42:48.420
With the exception of my ex-wife, I like chocolate ice cream.
04:42:58.780
I feel pretty good about having the chew pack in and eating the ice cream at the same
04:43:21.900
We got a woman over here with a dunce cap who got a fucking mic muted.
04:43:39.000
There's a scene at the very beginning where they're introducing the characters.
04:43:43.480
And I think it's, I'm trying to remember who's the character narrating.
04:43:49.660
I forgot the name of his character in the film.
04:43:51.720
Robert De Niro plays the protagonist of the film.
04:43:58.320
And he was running sports betting when he was younger.
04:44:03.740
There's this, there's this, I can't, I forgot exactly verbatim what he says, but, uh, Ace
04:44:09.240
was making the, the mob, the mafia fucked on the money, but he needed protection.
04:44:15.940
Who put the, the Godfather put the protection of Joe Pesci on him, bro.
04:44:19.900
But the point I was trying to make here is that in the scene, when Joe Pesci is narrating
04:44:24.560
it, he says something along the lines of, and he was making money hand over fist, but
04:44:42.580
I don't think the guy ever had any fun with it.
04:44:52.640
But the only thing he had directed was the casino.
04:44:54.960
He made his first bet when he was 15 years old and he always made money.
04:44:58.940
But he didn't bet like you or me, you know, having some fun with it, shit like that.
04:45:16.480
He'd find out the kind of inside stuff nobody else knew.
04:45:21.920
Even back home years ago, when we were first hanging out together, he'd know if the quarterback
04:45:26.080
was on Coke, uh, if his girlfriend was knocked up, he'd get the wind velocity so he could
04:45:33.480
He even figured out the different bounce you got off different kinds of wood they used
04:45:42.820
There's nothing about a game he wasn't going to bet that he didn't know.
04:45:46.720
Uh, season after season, the prick was the only guaranteed winner I ever knew.
04:45:50.720
But he was so serious about it, all that I, all that I don't think he, wait, he was so
04:45:56.500
serious about it, all that I don't think he ever enjoyed himself.
04:46:15.220
Did he take his cowboy friend and beat his face in with a fucking phone for disrespecting
04:46:29.740
Well, now it is true that Joe Pesci started fucking Ace's girl, though.
04:46:40.920
But when she tried to get him to kill his best friend, he did say, like, no, I ain't
04:46:47.020
gonna, I ain't gonna do that for you, stupid bitch.
04:46:55.060
These girls don't know what we're talking about.
04:47:02.780
Well, I didn't say I knew it word for word, but I've seen the movie.
04:47:13.520
It's not a disrespect because he saw it two days ago and I saw it like 10 years ago.
04:47:17.060
Before that, before that, I know what movie you mean.
04:47:21.460
We got Stan here, bought some, two items on the shop.
04:47:30.180
Thank you both for what you guys do, trying to shed light on what's going on.
04:48:00.020
How are the viewers mad about us talking about Casino and Goodfellas?
04:48:05.060
But the food stuff, they're probably like, all right, guys, come on, move it on.
04:48:31.900
I'm just going to point this out, that The Crucible is slightly better with pop culture references.
04:48:40.820
I might be making this up, and I might be completely wrong, but I'm standing by it.
04:49:00.940
You seemed like you were very good at that before.
04:49:08.980
So I said, hon, let me pick up your plates, because that's what you do.
04:49:33.760
Then we're going to do, I need everybody back at the table, though.
04:49:52.860
Can somebody get the propeller spinning, please?
04:50:27.680
I really was laughing because the fish picture is just.
04:50:37.180
So, there's this app called Tinder Insights, and you can input your Tinder data, and you'll
04:51:03.340
He went on one singular date that led to nothing.
04:51:20.060
If it is the case that this poor bastard did this, I still want to go fishing with him.
04:51:27.060
Like, would the whatever podcast link with the Crucible so we can go fishing with this
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Oh, you just, I thought you wanted to go fishing with him.
04:51:46.300
Christopher Murphy, Streamlabs doesn't process Amex.
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Reaction to the little thing I just showed you.
04:52:25.080
Dating apps are terrible, I think, for finding your, like, let's be for real.
04:52:29.340
Wait, this almost, remember the conversation we had earlier when it came to, like, dating
04:52:51.380
His female equivalent, she'd be a massive slut.
04:53:37.860
So, I'm assuming, like, he went on the date, but it didn't go anywhere, right?
04:53:59.920
So, you're a white woman with, like, multiple in your bio.
04:54:16.780
She's got a Tinder profile with three kids in her photos, and she's like, yo, I got three
04:54:25.420
Like, I think in women's minds, like, that would be the equivalent for the fish photo.
04:54:36.360
In Brian's defense, in Brian's defense, that woman will get way more dates.
04:54:45.880
I think, like, women know that she doesn't work and likes.
04:54:49.320
Like, that's kind of like an inside thing between women.
04:54:52.200
Like, if a guy has a fish photo, I feel like a lot of, I've heard a lot of women talk about
04:54:56.340
how they wouldn't go for a guy if he has, like, fish photos on his Instagram.
04:55:02.580
I think it's just like, yeah, it's like an ongoing meme.
04:55:19.180
To be able to reel in, he can reel in the fish.
04:55:31.060
That guy looks like the type who catches the fish and then releases it.
04:55:36.840
I pull up those giant fish and I'm like, I ain't putting it back.
04:55:43.160
What are you going to do with that big-ass fish?
04:55:59.800
And you have to take a photo with it and then post it on a dating app.
04:56:09.400
The Crucible's taking that guy out for a fishing trip.
04:56:15.880
But this poor kid, he looked like a 9 or 10-year-old, got beat up in a playground by
04:56:30.580
There's this poor kid, like a little chubby kid.
04:56:33.300
He got like, some kids were making fun of him, or they were throwing, I forgot, were
04:56:42.800
And then these kids, he confronted them, and then one kid jumped him, and then another,
04:56:47.440
it was like a two-on-one, and he was all bleeding and shit.
04:56:53.600
If anybody who's watching, who knows what it is, whatever.
04:56:57.060
And then a bunch of like people on Twitter saw, and all these MMA fighters offered them
04:57:03.060
So we can maybe back some of those MMA fighters up if they help this kid out?
04:57:11.140
That was that little portly kid who was in a fair fight, and they got knocked out from
04:57:14.580
It wasn't even a fair fight, because the first one was a cheap shot, and then another
04:57:18.640
kid came in, and another cheap shot, totally fucked up, and he was crying.
04:57:33.240
I want you guys to give him a looks rating on a scale of one to ten.
04:57:39.880
Starting with you, give him a looks rating, scale of one to ten.
04:57:44.740
I would say, like, am I allowed to say seven for them?
04:57:47.820
We can't say seven for ourselves, but can I say that for him?
04:57:52.660
I am taken, but if I was single, honestly, I'd be interested.
04:58:01.740
If I were single, he's someone I would have swiped on.
04:58:04.900
I feel like because you've got the back story here, that if I see what Brian should have done,
04:58:11.680
just pulled this up and said, would he rate him?
04:58:14.920
But because you have the back story, you don't want to feel like there's pressure on you.
04:58:22.220
I mean, to other women, I know he might be a two.
04:58:27.740
I feel like if the back story wasn't told, the ratings would be different.
04:59:16.540
But if we're just writing on looks, that's my number.
04:59:18.600
And what you saw, you are swiping, I don't know, whichever way fucking women swipe on these apps.
04:59:24.180
But you come across this, you see him, which way are you swiping?
04:59:55.960
Brian, does any man ever want to hear, you look like you give great hugs.
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Because what the man wants to hear is like, you look like you plant my face in the pillow.
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They don't want to hear, oh, you look like you give good fucking hugs.
05:00:12.720
Okay, imagine me opening with, I want you, you, it sounds friendzoney.
05:00:20.100
It's like a woman saying he would make a great husband.
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Because what that sounds like is like, I wouldn't fuck you.
05:00:36.440
I wouldn't fuck you, but you do seem like you're a good husband material, so I will fuck you.
05:00:43.760
Like, that looks like a whatever, I'm going to try for that, I'm going to fuck her, but
05:00:47.200
I want to marry this girl because she looks like a good wife.
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I think that men's criteria and what they want in a wife is way less than what the criteria
05:01:02.960
I think that they're looking for, like, women who could be really good mothers for their
05:01:07.720
So, like, if I were to see you and I saw the tats and this and that, I'd be, again, no
05:01:13.040
offense, but I'd instantly make the presupposition, you're going to be a fucking terrible mom, fuck
05:01:23.900
Other men might look at you and think, ah, it should be a fun ride, right?
05:01:31.020
The question becomes this, though, if we're, you know, kind of like all things equal, I
05:01:36.940
think that men's standards for what they're looking for in wives is a much lower standard
05:01:46.360
So, like, what are you looking for if you had perfect husband?
05:01:54.980
So, let's go perfect husband versus perfect wife.
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I think that that's somebody who is a provider, not just for myself, but for the family, the
05:02:15.940
Somebody who is leading by example, somebody who's looking out for us to maybe correct us
05:02:26.620
Somebody who provides some emotional support in that sense, I think, because I also bring
05:02:36.400
But even if I didn't, obviously, be able to understand me to undergo, just like you were
05:02:41.180
talking about earlier with the whole once a month.
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A guy walks over, a rando, and he grabs your ass.
05:02:49.720
Your husband's got to knock that fucker out, right?
05:02:58.120
So, I think that comes with being the leader, the protector.
05:03:07.160
But it's also a matter of protector outside of the home.
05:03:13.880
So, he's got to be strong and a little bit tough, right?
05:03:17.580
So, there's actually a little bit more criteria here, isn't there?
05:03:39.620
I mean, I would reciprocate as much as I can on every other level.
05:03:46.580
What does he get, which is similar to what you're getting?
05:03:52.820
That's not something new you're bringing to the table.
05:03:55.640
Him knocking a motherfucker out is something you can't do, right?
05:04:00.780
So, without the equalization, you say loyalty, you're going to get loyalty from a guy.
05:04:11.560
We talked about being submissive or subservient.
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I know a lot of people take that as a negative.
05:04:22.040
I'm not really sure because, as you guys have said, it doesn't take a lot more.
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I'm just saying I've never really thought about that because literally...
05:04:44.780
They think about things almost starting in a transactional rate, right?
05:04:51.180
And then they move into what they'll settle for versus what they won't settle for, right?
05:04:55.400
You, what you get is the privilege of saying, I've never really thought about that.
05:05:03.900
It's not, but personally, it's not only because personally, I'm not actively dating or searching
05:05:28.040
I think it's just in a way like, so I'm going to take it a couple steps back to where, when
05:05:33.380
I was married, I kind of had my role switched where I was the one financially providing.
05:05:43.000
There's going to be times, occasionally, perhaps your husband's sick, perhaps he has problems,
05:05:48.200
No, I'm saying for the majority of my marriage, I was the one that did that.
05:05:52.640
Because I actually don't want to get into the details of it.
05:06:02.600
I did, but I think I felt years into it that there could have been forms of manipulation
05:06:16.780
How could it be possible that you can tell me what your value is or the value of women
05:06:21.300
But when I ask you, the opposition, like, what is it that the man's getting on par?
05:06:39.800
I think because I've never been in a relationship.
05:06:47.600
I know you don't like the word trauma, but maybe I was a little traumatized from my marriage
05:06:51.320
that I don't really know what a strong person should look like in a maybe traditional, more
05:06:57.840
conservative type of relationship, which is something I would like to seek based off
05:07:01.220
of hearsay and other people's anecdotal kind of situations.
05:07:06.000
But I think that's why it's harder for me to say because I'm not sure.
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Let's pretend that we take you and we take you out of your skin and we put you in a man's
05:07:21.060
I've always thought men were more empathetic and I have great reasoning ability to demonstrate
05:07:26.980
they're more empathetic, but I'm just going to leave it and assume for a second women are
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Just because you lead with empathy doesn't mean you're actually more empathetic from my
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And you've been in the dating field, this and that.
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You are supposing in your mind, hypothetically, you're a man tomorrow.
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You wake up, you have your same mind, everything else.
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Um, I think the first thing is going to be age.
05:08:32.660
What is this person doing on a dating app at her age?
05:08:46.680
I feel like a lot of men look for younger women.
05:08:50.580
Um, I think depending on the person, I know you mentioned tattoos.
05:09:00.100
What do you see when you see the tattoos on the sleeves and the arms?
05:09:11.920
The reason why I'm telling you this is because, you know, I'm looking, what type of tattoos
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Maybe the person that I'm looking for will be similar to me.
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If I'm being observant, if I don't like, you got, you got seven fucking seconds that
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you're looking at these, hang on, hang on, seven seconds looking at this profile.
05:09:41.440
Let me actually take this back because you're like, let's look at the negatives, but if
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But if I'm like, we'll get to all the positives.
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What I'm trying to tell you is I'm looking as a guy going on a dating app.
05:10:02.300
They probably would see me as, oh, she's showing skin.
05:10:17.400
What do you think the skin is signifying to the guy?
05:10:19.440
Um, I think she's, you know, comfortable with showing herself a little bit.
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That's the only thing they see in the dating profile.
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If I have seven seconds, I'm seeing age, I'm seeing skin, I'm seeing tattoos.
05:10:52.200
If you don't like the tattoos, um, maybe, I mean, I don't want to necessarily, but maybe
05:11:00.260
I want to show you something that's interesting.
05:11:03.860
There's, uh, many, many videos, many videos of an infant dropping from a high altitude
05:11:22.080
An infant falls off of like a four story balcony.
05:11:32.140
But all of the things that are processing in that microsecond is like, this kid's going
05:11:39.760
You can process so much information in a microsecond.
05:11:50.780
We spend less than seven seconds on dating apps.
05:11:55.340
And I can make a, like a microcosm decision as to when to die for that infant processing
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You should be able to tell me what you see as the negative within that same nanosecond
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I guess I don't, I told you the biggest thing that I think would be a negative, the biggest
05:12:17.300
things, because it's like a quick thing is the age and the showing of skin.
05:12:24.320
No, I did mention tattoos in case someone doesn't.
05:12:31.460
Now, if we pull that picture up, let's do this as an experiment.
05:12:57.600
The only negatives that I can see, and I'll be honest, are the fact that he might be
05:13:04.600
He's got, other than that, he's got a great smile.
05:13:13.220
The biggest thing is that he might be overweight.
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If I, if I actually take the time to read it, cause most guys won't read what's on the
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If I'm, if I'm not home, you can find me at the lake.
05:13:28.940
So because he's single, he spends time on the lake fishing.
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I'm just, I'm just trying to get an understanding.
05:13:45.140
So like cope is the idea that, um, you know, that there's some type of problem, but you refuse
05:14:17.760
I mean, what do you, is that how you can kind of look in your picture?
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I'm literally, I'm literally a fucking abrasive.
05:14:24.200
I don't give a shit what most people think, but even just off of a picture, if I give, put
05:14:31.880
It would still be something akin to like some interest that I had or some shit like that.
05:14:38.420
And he would still look at it and be like, he's old, right?
05:14:43.520
Maybe his eyebrows a little too curked, whatever the fuck it is, there would be all kinds of
05:14:48.640
things that you could associate with me just on a picture look that would disqualify me
05:14:54.360
Now you don't get to see the fact that I am extraordinarily charming and charismatic, but
05:14:59.660
what you would see is just the picture image, right?
05:15:05.080
And there's no fucking way that all of that is not processing the same time you look at
05:15:11.200
I think if I'm looking at it in a split second and going, this guy is not my type, I'm not
05:15:32.840
Yeah, but I mean, if you'll note, if you'll note two separate fathers.
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Have you ever heard of a recessive gene, you fucking racist?
05:16:02.380
I think my biggest thing, though, is I think that dating apps are terrible.
05:16:18.100
She says that her attraction to me was my vast humor and stunning decisiveness.
05:16:32.900
And I'm going to do a little freebie for jungle here.
05:17:02.740
You get to wear a Pokemon hat the rest of the show.
05:17:23.600
She says that her attraction to me was my vast humor and stunning decisiveness.
05:18:06.060
What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
05:18:12.580
Well, I'm with someone who I'm hoping to get married to.
05:18:15.960
So I'm hoping between a hundred thousand to a hundred and fifty thousand.
05:18:26.360
Have you ever been with someone who made three hundred thousand dollars?
05:19:04.520
If you have the combined income you're talking about.
05:19:07.240
Like, you're doing three hundred to six hundred thousand per year.
05:19:11.540
I would think you would have a really big sprawling pad, right?
05:19:38.320
So you've all hopped up on the old pogo stick a few times.
05:20:42.200
Before we do Stifler, everybody stay at the table while I read these.
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Christopher Murphy, Andrew's hair is top tier Chad.
05:20:58.380
Hey, thank you so much for the super chat, man.
05:21:39.040
Because they hate men having hobbies they can't control.
05:21:51.540
But it's like women with fake nails, especially the long ones.
05:22:04.600
And it's remastered and I couldn't wait to get my hands on it.
05:22:13.160
And it literally focuses on restoration and blade and a few other things.
05:22:25.520
My wife comes out and she's like, honey, what are you doing?
05:22:30.780
And I sat down and I played it for 13 fucking hours straight and I wasn't done.
05:22:50.860
If your man's playing Oblivion, do you shut the fuck up and leave him alone?
05:23:30.840
Stifler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
05:23:38.660
Okay, so last time I was on, I said six or six and a half, and apparently I'm incorrect
05:23:56.800
You weren't here in person, so I think it was depersonalized.
05:24:03.760
I still agree with my former position, even though I'm here in person.
05:24:07.720
There is no possible way you can give yourself that assertive.
05:24:19.600
Before we get into it, why don't we have everybody go?
05:25:01.800
So over here, though, I got to ask you to the ten, right?
05:25:08.460
Do you think you're the prettiest girl at the table?
05:25:17.600
On our own looks, on a scale of one to ten, can't pick seven.
05:25:27.600
You consider yourself to be a ten by your own scale, but you consider that there's other
05:25:32.580
women at the table who are more attractive than you, who lower their own rates for themselves.
05:25:36.680
That's what they think of themselves, but this is what I think of myself.
05:25:42.180
I'm not saying I'm the ten out of everyone, but to me...
05:25:51.600
It's actually an important question, and there's a reason...
05:25:55.100
We're answering for what you would think general population.
05:25:58.800
Well, here's the thing that's interesting, right?
05:26:05.420
The question being asked itself is just a determined delusion.
05:26:11.560
So, we could assume that if I asked every man that I walked across, rate yourself on a scale
05:26:17.740
of one to ten by looks, how would you rate yourself?
05:26:21.740
I think that the majority of men I came across would rate themselves somewhere between a four
05:26:26.060
and a six, even if they were very good looking.
05:26:28.080
For instance, there's a man right now who's watching this podcast.
05:26:34.540
He's better looking than from the female standard, all of you, and from the male standard, all of us, right?
05:26:40.760
He would never rate himself a fucking ten in a million years.
05:26:47.060
Is it because, A, you misheard the question, because I don't think you did, because you
05:26:51.720
repeated it, or B, is it because you have a false sense of security when it comes to
05:27:04.780
So, if there was 100 men, and they were all in an audience, and you went up in front of
05:27:10.240
the audience, and they had to rate you, right behind them, all of the women on this panel
05:27:14.380
came behind you, and then they gave their ratings after, where would they place you?
05:27:24.400
That's why I'm just asking you for, like, what your subjective opinion would be.
05:27:35.860
If it's other people rating me, I don't know what they would think.
05:27:38.460
Well, let me ask a different question for all the women who are here.
05:27:44.360
I'm not sure I'll get it, but I am asking for it.
05:27:46.920
When all of you sat down, and you made an assessment of your surroundings, as human beings
05:27:51.820
tend to do, did you, at any point, scale things on the sense of, like, her hair is nice?
05:28:14.780
I think it's just, like, naturally, when you're, like, meeting new people, and that's, like,
05:28:18.540
the first thing that you know about them, you just kind of go off of their looks.
05:28:27.140
Well, I think that's because that's what people, like you said, that's what you, your first
05:28:32.220
And we are just, by nature, we can, do we do comparisons like that?
05:28:44.040
I think I'm not very happy with my own body image.
05:29:10.320
So the very idea to me, then, becomes all of you made assessments in comparison to the other
05:29:18.680
And if you're making those comparisons, did any of you, let me just ask this, by a hand
05:29:24.880
raise, sit at the table and think that there was other women at the table who were more
05:29:30.920
By a hand raise, go ahead and raise your hand if that's the case.
05:29:38.140
So when we get to the rating system, what do you think we're asking here?
05:29:44.660
Clearly, there's a diametric difference in distinction between the looks of some of the
05:29:53.960
There's massive differences in looks between the men who are here right now.
05:29:58.440
Obviously, I'm very much better looking than Brian.
05:30:04.880
But the point is, right, is that obviously there's distinctions here.
05:30:10.320
So on that assessment, understanding that that is the case, understanding that you even
05:30:17.020
grant that you were making those judgments, would any of your self-ratings change by a
05:30:42.120
You've been getting me sloshed off of vodka, all this.
05:31:21.020
In my defense, from the charismatic perspective, it was a way...
05:31:26.000
It was a way to provide like a sense of comedic relief.
05:31:29.900
It's not because I actually think that I'm better looking than Brian, even if I am.
05:32:01.060
Can you tell us a guy, like maybe a celebrity, famous person that you think is a 10?
05:32:48.400
I mean, he's rich and one of the best soccer players ever and status and successful and
05:33:09.300
Is he a 10 because of all the other shit surrounding him?
05:33:12.600
The fact that he's one of the best soccer players ever?
05:33:32.500
You want me to give a different celebrity then?
05:34:42.380
The thing is, one, he's significantly older than me, so I think that'd be a deal breaker.
05:34:54.380
I don't think he wants to settle for a hostess in a little town barely anybody knows about.
05:35:00.240
Yeah, but guys don't really care about a woman's status.
05:35:09.420
Name Taken says, so wait, Oblivion is the reason we haven't had any TikTok invasions recently.
05:35:16.560
I've given you guys actually more TikTok invasions recently than you've ever gotten, even with
05:35:29.520
By the way, all of you, you got to get your super chats in because I'm only going to be
05:35:33.740
I always have a hard out at two o'clock my time, which it almost is, and I got a debate
05:35:45.020
But unless you guys can convince Andrew to stay a bit longer, we'll say that and I'll try
05:35:51.400
So going to you really quick, can you give us a, like a guy who you think is on your level
05:35:55.920
who's maybe like famous or celebrity, just looks wise?
05:36:03.740
Oh, I can't think of any because I think they would look better if they are famous, like
05:36:57.200
I can't, bro, I don't know how to pronounce, I'm sorry.
05:37:04.120
I know the fucking spelling, but I don't know how to pronounce it properly.
05:37:19.320
Oh, you're not going to, is the CCP going to do away with you when you get home?
05:37:42.140
We have, oh, going around the table, just to finish off on the looks rating thing.
05:37:47.680
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
05:38:46.000
And then were you better looking at 27 versus now at 37?
05:39:01.360
I was probably prime at like 35 a few years ago.
05:39:11.560
We look like two different people, 18 and me now.
05:39:16.820
I think that that's going to be a little bit subjective.
05:39:19.560
At 18, I looked very young, like a little girl still, a middle schooler.
05:39:34.680
18, will you be better looking in 10 years' time?
05:39:49.560
Were you better looking at 19 or better looking now at 29?
05:39:55.540
That might be the first ever honest answer ever on this.
05:40:00.720
She's been asking very rational, very based questions the entire night.
05:40:05.060
She's been like, can you justify the shit that you're saying?
05:40:07.700
And I'm like, actually, I would prefer to do that.
05:40:14.700
We've put every single one of you into an AI filter.
05:40:19.060
But before you show that, can I ask a couple of questions?
05:40:29.160
So you said if you were to retract time, you're more attractive now than you used to be.
05:40:35.820
So if I go back 10 years, you're more attractive now.
05:40:38.580
Now let's say that you had the same access to the resources you do right now.
05:40:44.760
And you had the same, like, thought process on giving yourself augmentations, whether they're breast implants or lipo or whatever they are.
05:40:59.060
But I'm just saying whatever they are, you had the same, like, mindset for that and for exercise, diet, would you be as attractive now as you were then?
05:41:08.900
Back then, I wasn't sober, and I looked terrible.
05:41:12.600
So if I have sobriety back then, and I have that, oh, my God.
05:41:18.740
So you just made poor choices when you're younger.
05:41:21.620
But if it was equalized, you still think you would be attractive when you were younger?
05:41:25.900
That I might be more attractive 10 years ago if I was sober then.
05:41:31.280
But, yeah, definitely a lot of it had to do with, like, drinking a ton and looking terrible.
05:41:37.380
I think at 18, if I was more, because, I mean, I wear makeup and stuff.
05:41:41.800
I think if I had all the same access, I mean, I guess my assumption was we don't have, like, in 10 years from now, we're not talking about, like, oh, if I can get some degrees.
05:41:51.380
I just want to make sure I'm getting this correctly.
05:41:54.060
If I wasn't still very young-minded, I had my mind now, I was maybe taking care of myself, sure.
05:41:59.180
Then at 18, I probably would be more attractive than I was at 35.
05:42:06.020
I'll ask it real quick to this panel before he pulls up the AI images, right?
05:42:13.680
If I were to ask you who's the fairer sex, men or women, let's start with men by hand raise.
05:42:21.300
Let's start with, now let's do women by hand raise.
05:42:42.340
If it is the case that women no longer have access to makeup or any sort of augmentation, meaning breast implants, meaning lip fillers, meaning any period,
05:42:52.260
if I ask the same question, who is the fairer sex, men or women, raise your hand if your answer changes?
05:43:05.200
Because I think that there's a lot of men who are naturally like pretty attractive and they don't have to do a lot of like changing to their appearance.
05:43:13.620
But there's some women who are like attractive just solely on like their extra stuff.
05:43:22.000
Men have not changed much since 1800 if you go back and look at pictures, right?
05:43:26.700
There's still no makeup for us and there's still basically just beards.
05:43:39.640
But if you go back and look at the women of that time versus the women of now, whew, I think you would be way more hard pressed when you're talking about who is the fairer sex when we get rid of all the augmentation in makeup.
05:44:02.880
But even in those times, women still wore makeup and men usually only wore it when they were in courtly positions.
05:44:10.400
But are you looking at them, though, from a male or female gaze?
05:44:15.200
But I don't think you can see the way that maybe a woman might look at a man and go, yeah, she looks great.
05:44:19.660
I feel like I'm way better at juxtaposing myself in the shoes of women than women are good at juxtaposing themselves in the seat of a man.
05:44:27.320
So when I look at it from the woman's perspective, right, I understand why women think in modernity especially that women are the fairer sex.
05:44:35.720
But they have every shortcut available, which men don't.
05:44:49.900
We have those two things, and you can't shortcut those two things.
05:44:54.780
Some of it's genetic, but you've got to be fucking disciplined no matter what, right?
05:45:16.640
And that's why it's like, are they really the fairer sex, you know, when we start to break it down?
05:45:27.040
Men could just roll over and, like, look amazing, and you're like, damn.
05:45:29.300
But that's because I still think that women appreciate and find older men attractive,
05:45:34.100
where men, as a majority, look at women when they're younger as more attractive.
05:45:42.660
That goes back to the trench coat thing, though.
05:45:44.860
If you're taking a bare-naked woman, bare-naked man, and you expose themselves,
05:45:53.420
but the bottom line of it is no vagina-carrying person at this table has to do much,
05:46:00.140
but carry a vagina, and we're going to get play.
05:46:09.560
You know, we're going to actually save the AI thing for a little later, Mary.
05:46:19.580
Every fucking, like, 50% of the guys who saw her is going to bang her, right?
05:46:34.900
If she put, like, come over right now and fuck me, she's getting fucked, right?
05:46:39.440
I mean, girls don't have to even be that direct.
05:46:45.520
It would come off pretty sleazy, but, yeah, she could do it.
05:46:52.740
I don't think there's really anything on the height thing that I found particularly shocking.
05:47:05.840
Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on the hike?
05:47:29.200
There was a time I was actually hiking and I was out in Zion and this guy started following
05:47:35.980
And in that moment I was like, fuck, if there was a bear, the bear probably would have run
05:47:40.420
Because the bear is probably thinking about eating me or chasing me.
05:47:43.480
The man may be thinking about killing me, murdering me.
05:47:53.780
I mean, all of the things that we kind of brought up today or that some of the men brought
05:47:57.580
up today is why I would choose a bear over a male any day.
05:48:02.540
So me and Andrew would just totally, just totally destroy you guys on this debate.
05:48:11.120
I'm just going to state categorically that we've won the debate without even arguing the
05:48:30.080
So if the hard's out, yeah, I'd rather get it to other stuff.
05:48:35.680
But I do like the preemptive declaration of victory.
05:48:42.140
So what's men versus women and we were outnumbered and we still won exactly how it should be.
05:48:48.380
The tea stuff or the like women oppressed feminism stuff?
05:48:55.100
I'll make a little bit of extra time if necessary as we go through it.
05:48:59.140
So we have, let's see, Moon, you say it's wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because
05:49:09.300
And in addition to that, Gabby, you said a man dating a trans, or you agree a man dating
05:49:16.440
And you also say you agree a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
05:49:25.100
And then Moon, you said you didn't say that it's straight, but you did say it's wrong to
05:49:30.280
refuse to date a transgender person because they're trans.
05:49:35.760
So if I refuse to date a transgender woman, that would be wrong.
05:49:47.440
I believe personally that a transgender woman is in fact a woman.
05:49:53.660
So if you, if you're speaking biologically, if she's had biological surgery that presents
05:49:59.320
as a female, I believe that is presenting as a female.
05:50:03.560
It's like if you drive a truck, I mean, you, let me give you, let's, let's try to, I'll
05:50:09.800
be as good faith on this as possible if you are.
05:50:17.780
For me as a woman who dates women, I would say someone feminine, someone probably with
05:50:25.240
breasts, probably with a vagina, um, like a real one, you know, real as in, yeah, a physical
05:50:40.300
If I were to ask you, but let's, let's pretend for a second.
05:50:45.980
And I come to you and I say, mom, I'm not gay, but I'm going to go suck my girlfriend's
05:50:52.780
I'm not gay, but I'm going to go suck my girlfriend's dick.
05:51:03.580
How do you reconcile that with him and be like, uh, no, you're right.
05:51:09.080
That's not a gay act to go suck your girlfriend's dick.
05:51:12.780
Can you just like walk me through the logic there?
05:51:16.320
I know it's probably going to be different than yours, but first of all, I wouldn't care
05:51:21.800
I'm not saying that from your view, there's anything that's wrong with that.
05:51:27.320
We're asking a specific question about homosexuality, heterosexuality, gay or straight.
05:51:39.180
If I go suck my girlfriend's dick, you say to him, what?
05:51:46.680
But, but that's not, what's his question though?
05:51:52.760
But if he did, but if he did, what is this question that I asked you?
05:51:57.140
I would say you're gay is a term that people in society chose to, to describe your sexuality.
05:52:05.620
Whatever my child, whatever descriptor he wants to use to describe his sexuality, that's up to him.
05:52:14.100
Yeah, I know, but what's, what I'm asking you for, repeat back to me the question that your 14-year-old son's asking you.
05:52:33.460
I want you to repeat that so I know that you know what he's asking you.
05:52:53.080
Are y'all going to be engaging in this sexual activity in a safe place?
05:52:59.680
Are their parents okay with it since they're probably both minors?
05:53:09.340
And for there to be one, I would not even say that I was a loving parent towards my child
05:53:15.440
if there was any other question that didn't involve their happiness and their safety.
05:53:20.060
So you just basically never answered the question?
05:53:28.340
So Gabby, you said that it's straight for a man to date a transgender woman.
05:54:21.300
I mean, so does that make my partner hetero when I wear a strap?
05:54:31.700
Well, then why did you just say you're a lady with a dick?
05:54:33.940
Because a dick is something that goes inside a vagina.
05:54:46.260
I feel like when I say the word dick, I mean a penis that is attached to a male.
05:54:52.560
And when you say dick, you don't actually mean the word dick.
05:55:05.540
This would be like me saying pussy is like peanut butter.
05:55:12.040
If I got a piece of meat from the grocery store and made love to it, that that's a pussy.
05:55:23.520
You literally said like a banana or like a cucumber would be a dick.
05:55:27.400
Obviously, a piece of meat isn't the same shape or anatomy as a vagina, though.
05:55:32.920
So maybe if you said like if you carved a piece of meat into a vagina and put a hole in it.
05:55:51.360
So then it is the case that if I were to say to you that you're going over to suck your girlfriend's penis, we're talking about one category, not the other, right?
05:56:01.280
We're talking about a flesh, what I call a fleshy penis.
05:56:03.680
So if we are talking about that, then how can you possibly say a cucumber is a penis to you?
05:56:09.480
Because the same way if I put on a strap tonight and I go home and my girlfriend sucks my dick.
05:56:13.520
Then you have made the category differential that that's a dildo and not a penis.
05:56:17.120
No, it's not about the, so it's not about the equipment, it's about the wearer.
05:56:21.560
If you put on a fake vagina today, right now, and you said to us, I am now a woman, I have on a, quote, fake vagina.
05:56:34.180
To us it may be, but if you are presenting and telling us to respect you as a female person.
05:56:49.900
So that's why it's not about what you feel like.
05:56:54.060
I just want to say, I know it's objectively not true because you made the differential yourself.
05:56:57.740
There's a difference between a dildo and a penis.
05:57:01.140
So if there's an attachment distinction, if you have that same attachment, homosexual meaning same sex, you suck on the penis of the same sex.
05:57:15.140
Because gay just means you're having sex with someone of the same sex.
05:57:24.900
That you're having sex with someone of the same sex.
05:57:28.300
And if you're having sex with someone in this case, who you call your girlfriend and has a penis, they are the same?
05:57:37.540
No, because if that girlfriend with the penis decided that she wanted to be a he or a they, it's not about the sex.
05:57:51.620
I have a full vagina biologically, but if I present it as male and I said I'm a male and my partner respects me as a male and uses he, him pronouns, that makes me a male.
05:58:06.160
You said gay is somebody who engages in sex with somebody of the same sex.
05:58:13.880
If you engage with sex with a person who's a male who has a penis, even if they present as a female, by your own logical criteria, they would have to be gay.
05:58:30.780
I think that your questions are reserved for a specific subset of people who simply don't get it and never will.
05:58:40.280
And that's just fine with me because those who do.
05:58:42.480
But you do realize that like logic has to be consistent or so logical.
05:58:46.220
No, I feel like the human sexual experience is not quantifiable, calculatable, or describable.
05:58:52.280
No, I have a question about like the words that you use.
05:59:08.960
I mean, I don't think anybody can deny what gay means.
05:59:11.060
She said that it's having sex with someone of the same sex.
05:59:15.500
So then before you get into whatever you're about to get into, I actually asked what her
05:59:26.540
Didn't I use actually what her criteria for gay was?
05:59:35.840
What if we, instead of using the word gay, used the word queer?
05:59:41.920
Queer means like having sex with people of either the same gender or a different gender
05:59:54.380
I guess in that instance it would be the gender part of it would make it not specifically gay
06:00:00.260
So if I were having sex with a biological female as a biological male, but she identified
06:00:06.680
as being a male and I identify as being a female and we change nothing.
06:00:14.880
So then all that makes it queer is that we self-ID that we're queer?
06:00:19.160
Because who cares about what you think or what you think or what you think?
06:00:31.540
If when women who are lesbians told us we were lesbians, we actually said...
06:00:39.760
He doesn't have a vagina or identify with a vagina.
06:00:52.640
If Brian flopped out his penis and said it's a vagina and a woman sucked it, is he a lesbian
06:01:07.040
So if Brian identifies as a lesbian, he whips out his penis, a woman sucks it, right?
06:01:20.780
Then what are we pointing to here with these words?
06:01:31.060
If there was another guy sitting here, like, let's say Brian's name was Andrew, there's
06:01:43.580
But if I wanted to give a descriptor for something like heterosexual, homosexual, I'd have to be pointing
06:01:49.420
towards some behavior, activity, something, right?
06:01:59.060
If the question is labels, I can't speak for any other LGBT person, but...
06:02:03.700
It's definitionally, if Brian says he's a lesbian, what makes him a liar?
06:02:11.360
It's that he doesn't have the follow-through of actually showing that that's what he's interested
06:02:25.320
So you can only be that gender if you present that way?
06:02:45.860
But there is a famous dancer as well as a comedian, a talk show comedian who is like
06:03:03.780
You said a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
06:03:10.080
Like if you say it's transgender woman, you already define it, like define her as a woman.
06:03:16.160
Then automatically, like that person would be straight.
06:03:22.120
So if you define it as such, it would just be trivially true, but it doesn't point at what
06:03:31.840
If you said a woman is anybody who identifies as a woman, identify as a woman, then it's trivially
06:03:45.260
I understand what you're saying, but I understand the people who have that mindset as well.
06:03:49.520
Because anytime we make a definition of anything, we want it to point to the thing we're pointing
06:03:55.500
Why does any human feel like they need to define or point towards any other human sexuality
06:04:00.760
Because we couldn't have communication if we didn't have definitions for what we're trying
06:04:06.540
If I'm smoking a cigarette and everybody knows what cigarette means and you're trying to
06:04:11.080
convey the information that I'm smoking a cigarette, but I'm actually chewing gum.
06:04:15.100
Does it make sense that you say cigarette for gum?
06:04:21.260
Yeah, but that's what I'm trying to say about gay and queer, it's that the reason that
06:04:26.780
in this circumstance of the example you were giving before with the son and the transgender
06:04:32.560
girlfriend, it's that you wouldn't specifically say is it gay because the person is queer.
06:04:48.860
Like a woman basically is usually a person who is born with a vagina and the genitalia of
06:04:59.860
Usually it's doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
06:05:05.120
Because I know that there's people who don't...
06:05:09.040
Like when we point to a definition, we don't say usually, right?
06:05:14.320
Because otherwise the definition doesn't mean anything, right?
06:05:18.220
Like if I said a camera is usually a component base that a camera had, but also an electrical
06:06:11.420
Transgender women can get a surgery that gives them what they would call a vagina.
06:06:19.880
They wouldn't be biological, but they would be a woman.
06:06:24.080
Yes, that's what I'm getting to because I don't consider the transgender surgery, what they do, the bottom surgery, that's not a vagina.
06:06:36.800
So I just want to be really precise in our language here.
06:06:40.000
Are you saying a woman born, like born female with a vagina?
06:06:45.360
So a woman who's born with a vagina and then a transgender who goes through the surgery is transgender woman.
06:06:52.020
What other people want to call themselves and do, yeah, that's up to you to label.
06:07:01.560
I do see a distinction between the two, but they're both women.
06:07:06.940
A woman is someone who either presents himself as a woman or goes through the process to be able to present themselves as a woman because there's a difference between sex and gender.
06:07:19.880
Like a woman is a person with a vagina, but like I know people are sometimes born with no complete vagina.
06:07:34.600
They would call those chimeras or hermaphrodites.
06:07:38.040
I'm not sure about those cases, but there are cases that like their genes are like...
06:08:01.580
And things like this where you're still the opposite sex.
06:08:08.540
A woman is a person with a complete vagina, or like they have problems with their vagina,
06:08:20.800
but they were raised up like as a social female.
06:08:41.360
But I'm a bit confused because you said born with a vagina.
06:08:48.900
Oh, you said a woman is someone with a vagina, not born with a vagina.
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At least in your view, that would include transgender women.
06:09:15.780
They can do whatever they please and identify with, but personally, I just...
06:09:36.340
If we're talking about sex, can a male become a female?
06:10:05.140
If they're a hermaphrodite and you have both inside of you...
06:10:15.640
So if you think a hermaphrodite can become the other sex, I think that that's fine.
06:10:21.700
But I don't think we got really definitive there.
06:10:25.620
So if he was, like, presenting, but he has ovaries.
06:10:31.000
But, like, how about there aren't birth defects?
06:10:41.100
He can become a woman, but female with ovaries, if you're looking at biological...
06:10:55.920
All of you who said, a woman, is this, that, you're all biology...
06:11:09.860
It's not a soft science, like psychology and sociology...
06:11:15.120
Hard sciences, like biology, for example, with established facts, it's not up for negotiation.
06:11:29.760
Why do you, specifically you, as a hetero, married, happily, as you mentioned, man, why
06:11:39.620
Well, I'll dive into it, and I'll show you why.
06:11:51.300
But anyway, so back to this conversation over here.
06:11:53.540
I can't believe that you just butted in while we were having the discussion, but you
06:12:00.620
I think that that's a fair question, and I'll explain my position, but let's start
06:12:05.920
I want to show you something that's super important.
06:12:08.820
In philosophy, we call this an infinite regress.
06:12:12.940
An infinite regress would be if I ask you, in this case, for like a definition, and you
06:12:19.800
give me the thing that I'm asking about as the definition, it infinitely regresses.
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And I'm going to show you how this works in real time.
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And you said, a woman's anybody who identifies as a woman.
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No, because you definitely don't present and have stated that you are not.
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That seems fair that there's distinctions between the two of us.
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So if I ask the criteria again, what differentiates me from her?
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If you say a woman's anyone who identifies as a woman, okay, I'm a woman.
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Well, despite the fact you became a woman five seconds ago.
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At this point in your transition, ma'am, that's a big difference.
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Then it sounds to me like when you say woman, you actually don't mean anybody who says woman
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because that doesn't give you enough information.
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It sounds like you mean there has to be other criteria there.
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Because you would tell me, like you just did, you'd say guidance, I'm a woman.
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Yeah, but why is it that you would instantly see her as a woman and not instantly see me as one?
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The same reason why you would look at me and say African-American and not Latino.
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So if I were to say like black definitionally, I might point to like skin.
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I might point to all sorts of physical differentials, right?
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I would not say anybody who identifies as black, would I?
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Because you can't really and truly choose that race is different than sex.
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So if you gave a definition of black versus white, you would be pointing to criteria,
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which made a differential between black and white.
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That you can look at me and say, how is it that you can look at me and say, man, look
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But the second I say, but I identify as a woman, suddenly those distinctions go away.
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I don't think the people, there's no one asking that question.
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People who are on that spectrum, we don't care.
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I know you don't care, but it's super important to us.
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Other than men who are not happy with the state of males in the country.
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So to the people who don't believe in the ideology.
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Anybody can just identify as anything to become that thing.
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Listen, I want to explain this so that you know.
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It's a logical, it's, it's actually logically fallacious.
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What you're doing is you're infinitely regressing.
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So you're just always saying the same thing, but never pointing to anything.
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So if I were to tell you, if I were to ask you, what's a guitar?
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And you said, anything I point to and say, it's a guitar.
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But I think most people, when you say guitar, they form an image of a guitar in their mind.
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So if you just say, I mean, you know, hey, if you want to play a drum as a guitar, you
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We're removing the human experience from all of this.
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It's only the human experience, which can identify what is a guitar.
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Nothing can make a guitar, but a human as far as we know.
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So if that's the case, when I say, what is a guitar?
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And you say, you say anything I point to and say, it's a guitar.
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Hey, you would, if I asked you this question and just describe it for me, what is a guitar?
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So based on that, I can at least say that I can rule out everything without strings as
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Now we're getting, now we're getting to what a definition is, right?
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And that's the distinction between an empty label and a definition.
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When you say that's a guitar, at least I can point to what that is.
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When you say anything I point to is a guitar, that tells me fucking nothing about what a
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So are we so simple minded in 2025 that if we don't have a distinct description for a
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person, their sexuality, their preferences, if we can't define it, it's not right.
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If we can't define, oh no, no, I listened to you for a long time.
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There are a lot of things in science and biology and history and art that are undefinable.
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And honestly, just blatantly speaking, people like you do not have a seat at the table because
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We're the only ones who have the seat at the table.
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But I would think that I know that the people who are on the rainbow spectrum, we don't care.
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And it's interesting because I feel all I hear behind it to me is we don't understand y'all,
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Does my fake penis really do something that big to the male ego?
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It sounds to me like you're saying you do understand us and we feel threatened by that.
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You can't put logic to love and human experience.
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We just ran the experiment in front of everyone here based on swipes.
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And then you get into the deeper parts of that person.
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Not only is there a logic to it, but the whole reason we're having the discussion is about
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Just because if you say, well, what happens, Andrew, is that there's an influx of emotion
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which, based on these emotions, humans have interactive experiences where they swipe left,
06:20:24.700
There's absolutely nothing illogical about that.
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Saying, I have emotions, therefore I act on emotions, logically follows.
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There is, however, something highly illogical about giving an empty label to a definition
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I don't think the label can't, I mean, I don't know the history of it.
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We're not talking about labels, we're talking about defining a thing so that it can be even
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At the end of the day, I don't care what the person, who the person I'm interacting with,
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whatever their label or definition for themself is, that's great for them.
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So would it be fair to say you don't care about logic?
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I don't care about descriptors and definitions of humans.
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So can you even have logical interactions without descriptors?
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And if you can't, then that means a lot to be said for you.
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Is there a single thing that you can logically express without a descriptor?
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When you say feelings, you're describing something.
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I don't think we, I think our disconnect is, I'm not disagreeing with you as far as there
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There are scientific terms and things to describe genitalia.
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I think my personal standpoint on that is none of that matters to those that it doesn't matter
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is there, if you want to quantify that information and use it in your dating experience, like
06:22:10.860
But for me as a person, the first thing I'm asking or looking for when I swipe left or
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right or talk to a person is not, is your vagina cervical or biological?
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But this doesn't answer the question, like, how come I'm not black?
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I just want you to look me in the eyes and say, I don't know why you're not black.
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I don't want to get, like, surgery to present as black either that I know of.
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And so the thing is, is like, if I could get surgery, that would make my skin look like
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That is my question about whether you care or if I am black.
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It kind of is, because if you ask the person who really debated that kind of thing with
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people and that kind of stuff mattered, of course, they'd have an opinion and they'd
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So you have no opinion on if I bleached or in some way changed my skin to be black, would
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Your experience of blackness, authentic or not, biological or not, is yours.
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This is the biggest problem with this whole ideology, right?
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And it's like, it tells us nothing about anything.
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So when you're saying if you suddenly got a surgery and became black tomorrow, would
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Before you strawman the entire position to fuck it all up.
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And then I'll tell you, if it's wrong, what I'm actually asking.
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That's why I don't allow people to strawman my position with bullshit.
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If I were to somehow go through and get all of my skin reconstructed to look exactly like
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The whole debate right now, what you just did was you demonstrated how illogical the entire
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position is of saying, but if I presented as a woman, you would be.
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But if you're dating, how would we know that you're not biologically black?
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I want to go off of your point with that statement in regards to gender and kind of mapping it
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If you decided tomorrow to become a woman and you didn't have the experiences of a lifetime
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I'm going with your point here that I would be upset.
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And I feel like the whole argument kind of takes away from cisgender women kind of rallying
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together almost for a certain type of feminism.
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And you might not agree with the gravitas of why this would be important, but I...
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Can I ask also, why does it matter and who does it matter to?
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It may be part of your answer, but I think that's important.
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So I think the first one I'll give you will matter to everybody.
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And that's the first reason I would give you as to why it matters.
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So are we speaking in terms of like you're dating someone...
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Or are we just talking about generally speaking?
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No, I'm speaking about that males can't become female.
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I'm willing to grant that within the ideology, I guess it's accept you can change your gender.
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But I link gender and it's irremovable from sex in my worldview.
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So in my worldview, a man can't become a woman.
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And a transgender woman is a transgender woman, but she's not a woman.
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Because to me, in my worldview, woman is linked to sex and it's irremovable.
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Now, the second thing is, is that, since it's a dating podcast, I'll relate it to dating.
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I think that, one, transgender women have a duty to disclose to potential romantic partners.
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Because, one, I think it would be good for their own safety.
06:28:21.860
So if you're a transgender woman and you're trying to date a, I don't like this term, a
06:28:26.140
cis man, for your own safety, you should disclose beforehand so that they can choose
06:28:32.980
whether, perhaps for them, they don't want to date a transgender woman for their own
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But if we start getting into too deep into, well, transgender women are women and this
06:28:44.260
is non-negotiable, then it's like, okay, well, what is the, do regular women have to disclose
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So we get into this kind of murky territory where there's less of a duty for transgender women
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They might even feel like, no, it's actually perfectly acceptable for me to essentially
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And then also related to dating, what of, if I, as a man don't want to date a transgender
06:29:18.940
woman, am I, if, if the narratives allow to fully manifest itself, manifest themselves
06:29:27.140
as it relates to this ideology, what kind of social repercussions are there when I have
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a preference towards not dating transgender women?
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But if on a long enough timeline, it becomes determined.
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Like if, if the greater right now, there's a massive culture war related to this issue,
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but let's say I'm in the minority one day, you know, and maybe the, the leftists, the
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And 90% of people are like, that's a transgender woman.
06:30:00.620
And if you don't sleep with them, you're a bigot.
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Bigots deserve all kinds of repercussions, both social and sometimes when it comes to
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Isn't that what transgender people have been getting for tens?
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I don't think that's fair, but I don't think people should be subject to violence.
06:30:34.120
But I could see some sort of scenario in the future where if somebody does have a stated
06:30:39.100
preference of not wanting to date somebody who's transgender, if that is bigotry, if we're
06:30:44.680
using that metric as big, bigotry, people are happy to enact violence to against bigotry.
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And then, and then, so that's the second thing.
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Before you get into this, I want to bid the whatever podcast ado.
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Are you going to delay the debate for tomorrow?
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Thank you so much for having me this fine evening.
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I appreciated talking to all of you fine women.
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We're here to debate worldviews and talk about dating.
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So I was saying the third point, the third point on this is laws.
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Do you think that we should criminalize, say, if you were a dictator, like, do you think
06:32:49.380
So somebody refuses to acknowledge, so somebody's pronouns, it's a transgender woman, and she, my pronouns are, I want to be referred to her as a she or her.
06:32:59.960
But somebody, excuse me, ideologically differs from her view.
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And thinks, that's not a woman, and refuses to use the pronouns and says, you're a he, you're a him.
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Do you think that this should face, if used in certain circumstances, should face criminal punishment or some sort of punishment?
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You're saying they're purposely not using the correct pronouns, or they did on accident?
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You might say it's rude on the surface already, but not like, like, not in a mocking or condescending way, but like, in the same way that they would say it's a she, says he.
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You're this person's, like, are you over this person in a place of hierarchy?
06:34:05.100
But they're not, they're not like, like, intention, when I say intentional, they're not intentionally being condescending or rude about it.
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But if she thinks she's a he, I'm just, I'm not like, oh, she's, she's great.
06:34:30.060
If you're her boss, I think then you have an obligation to your employee to use the pronouns that they are choosing.
06:34:37.160
If you're her friend or something, I mean, she can't really do anything or have any backlash towards you.
06:34:43.040
But if you're the dictator, if you were the dictator, right?
06:34:48.560
Would you pass a law criminalizing intentional misgendering?
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But like me and you, if I called you a he, I mean, I'd hope you wouldn't sue me.
06:35:17.920
Incriminization can be like a fine or are you talking about like jail time?
06:35:27.400
I misgender people about, well, I guess mistake.
06:35:38.400
And the person refuses to use them and says, he, you know, he instead of she.
06:35:56.480
Me and you sitting right here on this podcast live.
06:35:59.420
And I have said to this group, I identify as a he, him.
06:36:03.140
And you continue to call me she, her, you're getting sued.
06:36:25.840
In that situation, like, cause it's a whole thing with IDs and passports.
06:36:29.760
Now, like, do they have to have it legally put on their stuff that they are that gender?
06:36:35.740
Or are they, cause that's, if it's legal and there's legal ramifications, then you could
06:36:43.520
Why is sex on our, like why at this point, or is sex even on our IDs and stuff?
06:36:50.100
But should there be like a fine for misgendering?
06:36:53.300
I don't think you could bring it into law because like I was saying, there's stuff with IDs.
06:36:58.660
It's like, people don't automatically just change those legal documents.
06:37:10.240
No, I don't think there shouldn't, there shouldn't be a fine.
06:37:21.120
Should there be like maybe a detention for a misgendering, intentional misgendering?
06:37:27.000
Or should there be, maybe if they repeat it three times, should there be a suspension?
06:37:37.120
It's about that you're intentionally trying to cause someone harm.
06:37:40.020
So there should be a repercussion if you're, especially if you're in school.
06:37:43.380
But you would just make the reverse argument that by them using, like if it's just totally
06:37:50.920
You would be causing the individual harm because they're causing them self-harm by lying.
06:37:57.280
If they think it's lying, if they don't think it's the truth, then you're inflicting harm
06:38:02.800
It does no harm for you to say he, she, they, or them to a person.
06:38:11.540
For his argument, he thinks it's lying and people are against lying.
06:38:14.100
You can justify a lot of crazy shit if you go into other people's business and go, you
06:38:18.400
said this thing and I'm offended by it, which is what we don't like.
06:38:28.340
Uh, okay, but, um, intentional harm is intentional harm.
06:38:34.460
Like she said, if you know that a person has stated to you legally, otherwise I identify
06:38:40.540
as such what harm, whether you believe it or not, it doesn't matter if they want to sit
06:38:48.840
You acknowledging that that person feels that way about themselves does nothing to you at
06:38:56.480
So usually if you don't like something, you just get away from them.
06:39:00.900
If someone's misgendering on purpose, just get away from it.
06:39:05.000
So there's probably scenarios where just for like the, like simplicity sake, some people
06:39:12.580
Like if I'm just not interested, like in like a particular case offending somebody or I'm
06:39:19.140
just not like it doesn't, there's situations where I just don't care.
06:39:23.360
I'd probably like go along with it just because like to avoid the situation.
06:39:28.420
There's probably situations where like if you're a student in college and your professor's
06:39:33.480
transgender, like that's probably like, you're probably going to have to bite the bullet just
06:39:37.640
for the sake of getting a good grade in the class, even if it's against your thought process.
06:39:41.760
But like I'm speaking, you know, outside of these, uh, outside of these specific instances, there are
06:39:50.020
situations where, or not rather not situations, but if we're having a conversation about the issue
06:39:55.880
itself and we're actually, well, is it a woman?
06:40:09.740
He's saying there to a certain degree, like we all have to live in the same society and
06:40:14.140
we all do to a certain point have to agree on what is the truth.
06:40:18.700
I don't think it's any different than what, like she had mentioned earlier.
06:40:21.640
If it's something you're just not in agreement with, or it's a situation that makes you
06:40:25.940
Now, if it's like a work school situation, you guys, you got to learn to, to figure it
06:40:32.960
And what Brian's argument is, is that in the war going on between our society of people
06:40:40.400
who are in agreement and disagreement, let's say he's saying someone's in school, let's
06:40:47.560
And so they're like taking the side of the student who's trans or using like different
06:40:57.700
So of course, like you're at a super liberal school, maybe they're siding with that student.
06:41:01.860
Whereas if you go to a more conservative school, they might be telling the other student,
06:41:06.660
like, hey, you're going through some sort of, like, it depends on the, the place you
06:41:13.680
And like that, that is an issue I see long-term in society is that we have these two opposing
06:41:23.980
By admitting that we're all human and our genitals do not matter.
06:41:28.080
At the end of the day, why, why do we even have, I'm not saying why do we have genders,
06:41:34.940
Like if you put in your resume, I shouldn't be worried about whether you're male, female,
06:41:41.020
And I think when we come down to making those gender distinctions, that's why we're at war.
06:41:48.840
It doesn't really, we, this is just us classifying each other.
06:41:53.220
Like, oh, I'm not going to respect you because the genitals you have don't match with your
06:41:57.200
At the end of the day, they're, they're a person, their experience matters.
06:42:01.820
It doesn't really matter what they have down there.
06:42:08.460
But I, I feel like, especially like in a, maybe a school or work situation, you're probably
06:42:15.460
Not, hey, she, I think that there's, there's really only particular situations.
06:42:19.900
And I think that's why he's asking, if you're a dictator, would you criminalize this in some
06:42:23.540
for, and I, I think it almost, it's a slippery slope because then it comes down to belief.
06:42:29.140
Some people truly believe that gender and sex are the same thing where people see the
06:42:40.340
So you'd have to criminalize ideology on that one.
06:42:43.340
And that's why people are scared because I think people who have that mindset that they,
06:42:48.680
them, the transgender people, you know, the non-binary is becoming more and more and more
06:42:55.180
And the people who don't identify with that way of life are, in my opinion, freaking out.
06:43:05.200
Just, just respect and love them just the way you would a non-LGBTQIA person.
06:43:09.920
And if those situations arise, address them with empathy and love.
06:43:18.900
I'll call them that while I'm addressing them because that's how they feel.
06:43:22.820
But at the end of the day, I'll go home and still feel the same way.
06:43:25.920
Like, is you respecting that person going to change your mindset?
06:43:31.640
So why not just give them that respect and empathy while you're addressing them, especially
06:43:40.500
What they decide to call themselves should not matter to you and what you do with your
06:43:46.040
It does matter to a certain group of people, though, who are trying to maintain a certain
06:43:58.320
But it does matter to them because if these wars between the cultures continue on, it's
06:44:09.940
And I think part of, while conservatives have their own issues, I think part of the issue
06:44:15.280
that they're having with this is that they see these people as having a very severe mental
06:44:21.040
And while they can respect them as a person, they can't respect the mental illness of it
06:44:29.440
And if it is, I wouldn't say you disrespect them, but also you don't go blindly with their
06:44:34.280
But if they're sick, then you disrespecting or not respecting their beliefs is not going
06:44:41.200
I was saying earlier, you don't cause harm to people on purpose.
06:44:45.740
However, some people on the more conservative side would be saying, well, they're causing
06:44:51.380
me harm because they're being so mentally ill that it's becoming almost a hassle on society.
06:44:58.260
So do we sit there and say the same thing about obese people?
06:45:17.220
Trans sympathizers are basically willing to bend truth and logic for the sake of trans
06:45:23.680
Chair 2, do you think that making choices based on feelings and emotions is wise for society?
06:45:30.980
I believe that using your human instincts and treating people with love and respect is how
06:45:39.640
we are going to survive as a race, not by describing each other's genitals or using pronouns.
06:45:47.380
I think at the end of the day, none of that will matter to the success of the human race
06:45:56.020
I think that us as a people supporting and loving each other and having community, that's
06:46:03.000
I'd be more than happy to engage further in it, but we've got a bit more to get through,
06:46:11.580
This is going to be the roast threshold, so if you guys are holding out for the $29 TTSs,
06:46:17.960
we're just going to do $69 TTS, and that'll be the roast session, and then we'll wrap.
06:46:24.800
So don't hold out for the 30s because 69, that's going to be the end of it.
06:46:32.000
Oh, let's do, you know, that was kind of a heavy topic.
06:46:35.820
All right, so we have age-advanced, all of you here.
06:46:53.200
Is the first picture of this movie what I look like today?
06:47:15.220
And then whoever is doing these, I think we've done some adjustments.
06:47:23.340
I think so far, that one looks a bit better than usual.
06:47:26.460
Usually, it goes a bit, the AI goes overboard with it.
06:47:37.160
So, this relates to our, like, will you look better in 10, 20, 30, 40 years?
06:49:04.400
I will buy whatever you're selling, is really what I'm seeing.
06:49:52.640
I feel like I'd want to see you now with the beard and the AI do it.
06:50:16.880
There's, like, five questions in one right now.
06:50:27.440
Do you think trans people should be allowed in women's sports?
06:50:30.980
What do you think about the girls or JK Rowling's that are against that?
06:50:42.060
I'm not too versed on the JK Rowling things, other than, like, she's against or not, like, for trans people.
06:50:47.800
I would say I dated a trans woman very recently, and she was very biologically male, like, muscles and all.
06:50:56.400
I would think that, like, a person with that type of body, I wouldn't put them in a women's sport.
06:51:02.980
I would maybe put them in a different, like, maybe a sport for transgender women or have a league for just transgender women.
06:51:13.960
This person had, like, lots of muscles, though.
06:51:27.340
Look, the thing is, is that it's funny when you're anonymous, sending in, like, insulting messages, like, making comments about, like, people's weight or their race or whatever.
06:51:37.380
But, like, if you're in a room with somebody, that's completely unacceptable and inappropriate.
06:51:43.820
And, like, sometimes they slide through accidentally.
06:51:49.460
But there's just, like, a certain degree of these are guests here on the show.
06:51:54.020
And a lot of the, a lot of the, look, there's very few other YouTube channels, live streams, where they would ever allow through some of the chats that we do allow through.
06:52:09.340
And there's just some that are just, like, just strictly insults.
06:52:13.020
So, sometimes they get through, but we're not gonna, like, if you're just being egregiously insulting and you're not actually criticizing, like, anything that they're saying, it's just an insult.
06:52:27.960
Like, you can attack their, you can attack, you can attack their arguments, you can attack their ideology.
06:52:33.200
But if you're just, like, personal attacks, that's really not gonna fly.
06:52:46.080
But it's just, and it's just, it's not conducive to, like, the topics that we talk about are already controversial to begin with.
06:52:54.820
And then, like, we're gonna throw on top of that, we're just gonna outright insult the guests.
06:53:01.460
Again, we're already having, like, uncomfortable conversations as it is.
06:53:06.320
I don't need the guests to feel further discomfort just by, by just getting straight up, like, insulted over, you know, like, race and stuff.
06:53:19.760
If you don't like that, I don't know what to tell you.
06:53:21.960
Um, and as far as the TTS, it's already very late.
06:53:25.920
We'll be here way too long if the roast is, uh, if the roast is lower.
06:53:31.660
So, um, yeah, because there's a ton more to get through.
06:53:34.940
So sometimes we don't always get to do, like, a roast session at the lower rate.
06:53:40.000
It was a kind of a pretty, uh, hectic panel tonight.
06:53:45.920
Thank you so much, because that's leadership right there.
06:54:04.760
Hey, I, I, Andrew was dunking on me today, so I'll take a comment.
06:54:12.660
Uh, and sometimes, look, sometimes some comments get through and it's like, nah, that one's probably
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a little on the fence or, uh, it's just like, guys, if you enjoy the, here, here's the best
06:54:23.500
way I could put it that I think people will be understanding of not wanting certain chats
06:54:29.420
So, if we want to get guests on the show, like, and somebody is contemplating coming on the show who could be extremely entertaining for you and you'd want to hear either their arguments or you'd want to hear them debate against me, against Andrew, against somebody else.
06:54:48.040
It is not in furtherance and not conducive to securing guests for the show.
06:54:54.060
If somebody pulls up a stream and it's just like super chat after super chat of just straight up, like, racism and insults and all this stuff.
06:55:05.200
Uh, so if you guys want me to put on a good show, like, the actual content, like, the super chats are fun, but the content of the show is the conversations.
06:55:15.240
And trust me, guys, like, the amount of people, and the show's already walks the line, like I said, uh, there's plenty of people who we've had scheduled to be on the show or we've invited.
06:55:27.660
Well, I'll start with people who've been scheduled on the show.
06:55:30.800
The amount of people who flake as is just due to the nature of the conversations, but there's a component of, like, the super chats that makes people hesitant to come on the show.
06:55:42.060
It's already difficult enough as it is, guys, to, like, book guests to come on the show.
06:55:49.000
If it's really in terms of, uh, and I apologize for yapping here, guys, but, uh, I feel it's important to explain this to the audience.
06:55:59.220
Uh, it, we're already down to one show per week due to guest, uh, well, part of it's, there's a couple reasons, but one of it is difficulty with guest booking.
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And so, um, I'm very supportive and, or I'm very grateful for people who do support the show via super chat and whatnot.
06:56:26.480
But I just, I gotta be considerate of the guests and I gotta be considerate of my own platform to ensure that I can continue to get guests for the show.
06:56:44.880
There's a video where a guy asked something like if it's illegal for men to use steroids and bodybuilding competitions, why isn't it?
06:56:54.020
Uh, why isn't it illegal for women to use makeup and beauty pageants?
06:57:18.040
So the next thing we're going to do here with the AI is a gender swap.
06:57:20.900
We're going to gender, we've gender swapped all of you.
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So the question you're going to ask yourself is, would I date the male version of me?
06:58:23.900
I don't really like facial hair on guys usually.
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I've gone on one first date with one Asian guy.
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I know exactly who I look like and I know he's watching.
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But that's just, he just got out of the shower.
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That's, oh, that's younger Andrew Wilson on the left.
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I don't know how they got there, but Andrew would love that one.
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You know how models can be looking kind of like aliens and shit?
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Not like a Victoria's Secret model, but like one of those.
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Like, you have the features where it's like, oh, okay, wait, hold up.
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That girl takes a photo, and you're like, oh, my God.
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Like, you can't, like, she's hot, but ugly at the same time.
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That's like something you can't find anywhere else.
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Do you think transgender women or men, fully intact, should be allowed in women's locker
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Do you think it's fair to ask biological women to open space, knowing some have been
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Do you think it's fair to ask biological women?
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Um, as far as the locker rooms, I'm going to say, yeah, I mean, because for me, like,
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what, what does it matter if they're changing clothes next to you?
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Like, everyone changing clothes next to you isn't trying to have sex with you.
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Like, let them change clothes and shower next to you.
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You don't have to be in a relationship with them.
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I don't think someone who's changing genders is really trying to jump your bones.
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And either way, like, it's, if someone wants to essay someone in a locker room, they're
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Moon, in your notes here, or while in the questionnaire, you agree with the following statement.
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I wouldn't say myself, but yeah, some women, definitely, or more.
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But if, in general, would you agree that men are physically stronger than women?
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I would say that men have the biological makeup to be stronger than us.
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But if a man doesn't work out and a woman does, she's going to be stronger.
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Yeah, I agree with you that there are certainly, there are women who are stronger than some
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But if we, generally speaking, men are physically stronger than women, generally.
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Oh, you're just kind of, maybe it's just how you.
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I feel like we should talk about dating in China.
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All the dates that I had were, like, marriage-oriented.
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Like, I'm assuming there's, you know, nightclubs.
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You go to a nightclub in China, in, you know, wherever, and people just...
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Some people do that, but such behavior is not considered decent.
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Like, you wouldn't want, like, all your classmates or your friends to know that, unless you are
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Because, I mean, there's a lot of people in China.
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I forgot to ask, do you have a preference for when it comes to, like, would you date...
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Because you said you dated another Chinese international student when you were in Germany,
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You have not dated a white person or a black person?
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I think I can date Latinos, but, like, I dance salsa and bachatano, and, like, I know a lot
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Because, like, I have a little bit issue with, like, their punctualities, and some people
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Like, literally, my grandma was crying when she heard that I was dating an Indian guy,
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I think people are not aware of, like, this issue, because there are not enough foreigners.
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Like, people, like, who haven't been to the big cities have not seen any foreigner in
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So, people don't know whether they are actually racist or not.
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But I would say, like, because I dated this Indian guy, so I, like, would notice a lot of
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comments in the internet, they were pretty, like, racist.
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Just, especially against, like, brown people or black people.
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We won't, probably won't do all of these, but we'll just do a few more.
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People of color can't be racist towards white people.
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I put squiggly, because I think the wording, I don't think that they can be racist, but
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And then, Gabby, you also circled that people of color can't be racist towards white people.
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Racism, based, it's more systematic when you really think about it, because we had the
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Yeah, but, um, it was a more or less of a thing that black people had to fight for the
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And to this day, there's still ways that they're being oppressed.
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And, um, the prison system is a way that it really shows.
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Um, black people get incarcerated at higher rates, um, and you, when you're in prison,
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So, you're saying there's a disproportionality comparing whites to blacks in the prisons.
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Like, uh, black people are more likely to be convicted of crimes.
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And you think, is it, would you say that's because of racism?
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Not inherently, no, because everyone commits crimes, but a part of it kind of is.
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The whole prison system, like, the working, initially, when it was started, it was just
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a way to incarcerate black people and have them do slave, more, more slave work.
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But they still work, they still work in prison for, like, peanut wages, and, well, sometimes
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It's iffy, but it's more or less, like, racism is the systematic oppression, not just the hate
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So, you, you're pointing towards, there's a, uh, discrepancy in, uh, convictions and incarceration
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between whites and blacks, uh, but what if I told you that discrepancy is orders of magnitude
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So, and you're pointing towards, well, uh, the discrepancy between white and black, that's
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Well, then, surely, following your own logic, you would have to say that the discrepancy between
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men and women in the prison system must be due to sexism.
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Um, no, and that's a different thing, black, black men are most of the time prosecuted
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because of their skin color and sent, like, they get charges against them, but, and there's
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other ways black women face racism, specifically.
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Well, white men are more incarcerated than black women.
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There's, it's different a little bit for the genders within the black community, but the
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thing is with black women, it's also, um, they're less likely to get proper treatment
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Well, so my question to you was, uh, you're pointing towards the discrepancy between whites
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and blacks in prison as evidence of racism, and I'm telling you that there's an even greater
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So that too should then be evidence that would be due to sexism following your own logic.
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That's a gender breakdown, not a race breakdown.
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But if you're saying a discrepancy exists, right?
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And you're saying this discrepancy exists because racism.
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So you would have to, you'd have to acknowledge that there is a discrepancy between, uh, men
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in the prison system and women in the prison system.
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That discrepancy is far greater between men and women than it is between black and white.
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I'd say more or less because most men commit more violent crimes and things like that.
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There's a higher percentage of men committing violent crimes.
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Uh, yes and no, but you're probably going to be right.
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Hold on, but if I were to present to you evidence that, uh, if there were statistics that showed
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that black people committed more crimes, would that, would that then explain away your claims
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that it's due to racism, uh, for the discrepancy between white and black?
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I know it's not my question, but I think it depends on the crime.
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But, um, I can't really defend that because, honestly, um, I did some research on this,
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but not as much as I probably should, which is kind of crappy.
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But, um, I'd say that's more or less because of the, um, just higher incarceration, right?
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And also because of other things within the black community itself, like gang violence
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I do think that there might be some sexism in there, for sure.
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I mean, the, we allow men to push down their emotions and they go bigger, right?
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Women are doing more small crime and small things.
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Well, I mean, if you look at, uh, sentencing disparity, right?
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So, there's, there's some statistics that indicate, uh, and I'd, I'd actually have to do
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more research to say something definitive, uh, that there's a sentencing disparity.
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So, the length, uh, you know, uh, the length of the sentence, the prison sentence between
07:14:24.520
But the disparity, again, not just the incarceration rate, but the disparity in terms of sentence
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length, incarceration length is again, uh, the, the disparity between men, uh, men and
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women dwarfs the disparity between white and black.
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And so, oftentimes, for example, uh, I mean, look, I could give you anecdotes.
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You guys could probably give me anecdotes in return or perhaps it's not anecdotes, but
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I mean, uh, and I think this happened in Ventura Felicity.
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So, I don't know if you, like, you're kind of living in that, you're like, you live further
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Um, there was this woman who was smoking marijuana with her, uh, boyfriend or like hook, casual
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And she had like marijuana induced psychosis and then she stabbed him to death and also
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She got let off with probation and community service.
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I would find it very unlikely if a man murdered a woman, even if it was marijuana induced psychosis,
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whatever that is, uh, stabbed her to death that he would get off.
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Unless he's got a lot of money, like a whole boatload.
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Like the sexism thing that's going on where it's like, yeah, I agree.
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Like, it's like, and I think a lot of us do where women can get away with certain things
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And then, but then the disparity of race, of course, is a separate.
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Because isn't the question why people can't experience racism?
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I'm just a little, well, I'm just a little confused.
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I'm asking because obviously it's not a, it's not really like my question or my fight.
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But I'm just wondering, so if somebody were to do a crime, because you're talking about
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prison system, against someone because they were white, is that not racism?
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Probably, yeah, that would be a form of racism.
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I'd say more prejudice, I guess, because it's based in just hate and a dislike for that,
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Maybe I'm not understanding, maybe I feel, I feel like maybe I don't understand what
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But so are there any instances where a black person can be racist towards a white person?
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Yeah, I would just say I agree with you that it's like racism is systemic and like white
07:17:33.720
people don't face the same type of systemic racism.
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So other races can be prejudiced towards white people, but it's not the same exact racism.
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I think you could argue that affirmative action is systemically racist against white
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Women got so many benefits out of affirmative action.
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Well, there's like, there's gender-based affirmative action, race-based affirmative action.
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So you would argue if like, uh, perhaps, uh, otherwise, uh, more merit-based white candidates were
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overlooked because, because of their race, uh, you actually see this happening a lot with
07:18:18.380
Uh, so like there's a big scandal with these Ivy league schools, Harvard, for example.
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Uh, so as an Asian person, you had to score way higher than white people, Latino people, uh, and black
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So that was like a sort of, uh, and Asian people are minorities, but they're like, they're not the
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right kind of minority in the, in the sense of, well, they're, they're discriminated against in a
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But like with Harvard, basically they're like, you know, these Asian people are way too smart
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Well, that's, but that's, that would be a, uh, racist against Asian people just in a sort of
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I think the best people, the best people should, uh, get the acceptance into the university.
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And so, and when you overlook the best people, the smartest people and well, you know, we, we got to
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I think a study just came out, um, that showed, and they did, um, across the board, they did
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Um, but a study over several years, uh, not, and I'm not debating anything.
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Uh, but, uh, they did white and black candidates, um, all fake applications and they did, uh, white
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two, four groups, white that had no criminal record, white that had criminal record, black
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that had no criminal record and black that, you know what I'm talking about?
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And what they showed is that a white person with a criminal record was getting more job
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opportunities than a black person with no criminal record.
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So I, I, I, I get that we shouldn't do a crazy thing where it's like, you should just
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get people in because of no one's really doing that though.
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Um, but I think that, um, here, here's something I can share.
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I meant like I, I, I go towards or move towards or select things that look like me.
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And I didn't know that I was out doing that years ago.
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I was working underneath a boss of mine and, um, she was having me do, um, the, uh, the
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I was doing the articles and I was selecting photos for the articles, doing it for months,
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And she sat me down and she was like, Hey, let's, uh, let's look at this over.
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She goes, look at the articles I posted and published and look at the articles that you
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And she was look again and I'm looking and I can't see it.
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And she goes, uh, Natalie on mine, I have Asian, black, white, I have all different ethnicities
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She's like, you only put, keep putting in white people.
07:21:21.620
So, so going back to the, I guess the original thing here, people of color can't be racist
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So it's, it's just, uh, when it comes to the definition of racism, you've, you've changed
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the definition to be prejudice plus power, basically, right?
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And, uh, it's, you've, you've changed the definition to suit you so that often, well,
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not saying not actually accusing you guys of this, but they've changed it so that your
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racism or your sexism can't be labeled as such.
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But, um, I think that, look, ultimately I think people should be judged as individuals,
07:22:00.740
But, uh, one question to you, let's say there's a, uh, a company and the, the CEO is black,
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the board of directors are black, uh, and they refuse to hire a white janitor.
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Um, why are they refusing to hire just because of the race?
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Those circumstances based in power pretty much.
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Why do you feel hesitant to just be like, yeah, that'd be racist?
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And would you agree, like, would you agree with that?
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If a, uh, a black CEO of a multi-billion dollar company refused to hire a white janitor, would
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It's solely just based off of his race and yeah, probably.
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The broader thing for me is just mainly the systematic issues within racism itself.
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It doesn't benefit, it benefits the white people more than it does people of color.
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So, that's my main issue and that's why I see racism, racism the way I do.
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I also just don't think me, well, me personally, because I'm half white, I don't think I can
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So, it's just like, you can't be racist to your own race.
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Someone who's fully black refuses to hire black people because they have negative opinions
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I mean, I'm like, I'm not racist, so it's just like, there's nothing I do that would
07:23:57.460
Well, you wouldn't do racist things because you're not a racist, I guess.
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Wait, this is going to sound really bad, but I have to, I have autism, so I have to ask
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I'm just asking, can't, like, are you allowed to say the N word?
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There's so much debate about it that I don't even know at this point because people say I'm
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I get told I'm, I don't look inherently white, but I don't look just black either.
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The thing is, is because we're mixed, we don't align with just one race.
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And the thing is, they expect us to align with one more than the other.
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And it's also just, you're not fitting into the groups themselves.
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Like, it's hard to bond with a just white group.
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And then sometimes it's hard to bond with just a black group.
07:25:05.920
And it also comes down to, like, my family as well.
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But it's just the matter of fact that I don't fit in anywhere.
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And it's just, like, you're within your own thing.
07:25:25.120
But have you said it and has somebody gotten, like, upset?
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Because, I mean, I can tell, like, you, you look like you're half white, half black.
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And it's just also that mixed people don't really face the exact same racism as fully black people do.
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But I have, like, had, like, a few people, like, just, like, one or two really be serious about me saying it.
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And it was literally just, like, me lip syncing a freaking TikTok.
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I have someone in my comments be like, you're not black.
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But I do have people just, like, try to be funny saying it.
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Like, I'm not going to really point out who in my life did this.
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If I called you my Caucasian, would you be offended by that?
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Did anyone here choose to be the race and gender we are?
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Or did we all just get put here and now have to deal with our own choices in this life?
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My father always said no one chose to be the way they are.
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I say judge people by the content of their character.
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There's a vast generational difference regarding the race topic.
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Now we have to kiss the ass of those who look differently from white people.
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Thank you, Christopher Murphy, for your message.
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Brian, you need to give credits to your whatever chairs for putting up with the heavy amounts of weights, dump trucks, and stank bunnies.
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I firmly don't believe you can change their race or gender, but maybe your species.
07:28:27.380
Brian seems to be transitioning from human to a beached whale.
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I've been saying this for years, but it's a work in progress.
07:28:59.260
I lost a bit of it, but I put that shit back on.
07:29:16.760
Moon, you agree a woman's past should not matter.
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Gabby, you agree a woman's past should not matter.
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Like, if you consider that, like, she had sex with different people.
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It depends on whether or not she's, I mean, I guess, changed from what she used to do.
07:30:09.780
It's also down to what that person is looking for.
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And I don't think it really should matter in the long run.
07:30:20.860
Because what you do in the past, you can't really make up for it, you know?
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And then someone's like, oh, I don't like you because of that.
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So I think inherently, it's kind of like just a stupid way of thinking.
07:30:42.080
...just regarding body count or just like a woman's past in general?
07:30:48.120
Well, because I know that we already had, like, the body count conversation.
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But typically, we're just talking about body count.
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No, but in the notes or I think in your bio, you do ASMR.
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If we're talking, like, you know, maybe body count and even maybe, like, criminal history.
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Like, you wouldn't look at me and know I've been in jail twice.
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You wouldn't look at me and maybe, you know, guess my body count.
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Like, I can say that I have a pretty high body count.
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But, like, with that being said, like, I'm not a criminal.
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You know, that's part of my past is not who I am now.
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And, like, yeah, I'm a loyal person even though I have a high body count.
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Do you want to do the breakdown between men and women?
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I haven't counted, but that's my guesstimation.
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I think I'd better not say it if I still want to get married.
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I was like, look, Charlie Sheen was a good aim.
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If I get that noise for saying above 300, sure.
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Yes, it's over 300 if you're pushing that button.
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He said, I firmly don't believe you can change your race or gender, but maybe your species.
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No, we're going to do men are more privileged in society than women.
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You know how, like, a lot of Chinese students, they'll do, like, oh, my name's Sally.
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I'm in the linguistics department, so I taught everybody how to pronounce my Chinese name.
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Like, maybe it would have made sense, like, in the 80s or 70s, but you guys got to get,
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you know, like, do, like, a crystal or something.
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I've never heard, like, a Chinese person who's using, like, an American name.
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What's, like, the go-to stripper name for a woman?
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But I feel like anyone watching now has that list, so that's good.
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So, Shannon, men are more privileged in society or in society than women.
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It's just how it's been for most of our society, and it hasn't really changed that much.
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I mean, it's slowly changing over time, but it just hasn't really flipped that script in
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I mean, men don't face as much, like, SA as women do, and they have just more opportunities
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to, in the business world, usually, advance in their careers.
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I mean, also, it's not clear to me if, like, when it comes to...
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Like, when I think of privilege, I tend to think of something...
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When I think of privilege, like, it's something that's granted, right?
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Like, so, for example, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
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Is it a privilege that women have that they're less likely to be victims of violent crime
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I mean, I think that women do face a lot of violent crime in our society as well.
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So, I think it's just violent crime is the issue.
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Not as much as it's a privilege for women because women still have to deal with it.
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But it's different because it's, like, for women, part of...
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So, just to be clear, when bad things happen to women, it's because they're women.
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And when bad things happen to men, it's just because.
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I would say more specifically when it comes to SAID, it's a way for men to basically, like,
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control and have dominance over women, usually without their consent.
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And so, it is something that because you're a woman, you're more subjugated to than if
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you're a man, you have the privilege of usually not being...
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Yeah, I mean, I don't want to really go down...
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I don't want to go down a deep rabbit hole of, like, the SA topic.
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This idea, like, this idea that it's about power, like, maybe it is, but to me, the thing
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that would make the most sense is it's, like, just a piece of shit who's horny and wants
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I think it's, like, the thrill of the power that they have over that other person, right?
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I mean, it's psychological a bit than just the, like, physical...
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Yeah, there could be, like, maybe they get off to, like...
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That is a power dynamic, though, because you're causing harm to someone.
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But in any case, you mentioned when I said that men are more likely to be victims of violent
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Women also are victims of violent crime, but they're not...
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as likely to be victims of violent crime as men are.
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It sounds like it's not counted in that for some reason.
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Like, SA isn't considered the violent crime, but the different violent crime...
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No, they counted in the statistics, and overall, my understanding is overall, including all
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violent crimes, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
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So, yeah, the numbers that I saw were the other way.
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But that's why I wasn't sure if SA was in there.
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Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
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The other thing, though, is the definition of grape, for example.
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In certain jurisdictions, like, men can't be victims of grape.
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If a woman grapes a man, you might not believe that that's actually possible.
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But the actual definition of it, they don't consider a woman forcing herself onto a man.
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Well, I think it's just the specific definition.
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It's like there's like a penetrative component to the crime.
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So, I suppose, like, a man could grape under that specific jurisdiction.
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But even some of the definitions include the term, like, vagina, for example.
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But I don't want to linger too long on that topic just because it's kind of a buzzkill.
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I mean, we talked about the fact that women have periods.
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I mean, I know guys get prostate cancer and other things too.
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But even just having the genitalia of a woman, we get ovarian cancer, cervical cancer.
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Like, just all kinds of benefits sometimes, you know, to being a man that we women just don't have, you know.
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Um, I'm not too sure about, like, wage gaps and things like that.
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But, um, I think it's more, like, for me, socially, I guess.
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Like, just social aspects benefit men more than women.
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Um, as well as just, like, general hate towards them.
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And also the fact that there's, like, they're overturning a Roe v. Wade, which is, like, kind of crappy.
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And then there's just other things that are just very oppressive.
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Um, I won't be able to make counter-arguments for all...
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Well, I could make counter-arguments for all of them, but for the sake of time, I can't.
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Uh, it's not clear to me, at least with the abortion argument that you made, that that has anything to do with, uh, men being more privileged.
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Because males have no reproductive rights whatsoever.
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If the woman wants to get the abortion, the man can't say anything about it.
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If the woman decides to keep the child, the man can't do anything about it.
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And I think that's why it needs to be, like, when it comes to abortion, it needs to be a, like, lengthy discussion between you and your partner.
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Where you guys really weigh the pros and cons and things like that.
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Uh, well, yeah, but you would agree that even if there was a lengthy conversation and the woman was leaning towards get the abortion and the man was leaning towards keep the child,
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there's nothing that the man could actually do to force her to keep the child.
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If she wanted the abortion, she can go get the abortion.
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Assuming she's in a state where abortion is legal.
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Uh, why are men more privileged in society than women?
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In China, uh, employers will still ask about your marriage status, like, at interviews.
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And, like, when I graduated from my bachelor, some of the boys from my class, they didn't have good grades at all, but they got really good jobs.
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Just because, like, for English major, if you're a boy, like, they'll just take you.
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I can't, I'm not really particularly well-versed when it comes to, like, feminism in China or the, the gender, uh, the gender specifics in China.
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Um, I, I, I am aware that there were, there are certain, uh, sexist practices in China.
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Uh, you know, for example, I believe with the one-child policy, uh, there seemed to have been some preference towards, uh, male.
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Uh, but I'm just not well-versed enough in, uh, the, the Chinese, um, uh, gender politics or whatever to really be able to address that adequately.
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I'll just throw out my, my favorite argument on this.
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All of women's collective grievances just fall completely flat in the face of a singular soul male grievance.
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And you can look at that as military conscription.
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I would even consider it within the purview of the volunteer, men who volunteer.
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But forced military conscription, I would argue.
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And there's, uh, the, the suffering that men have exclusively faced in wartime and in war, uh, cannot be understated.
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I would argue that if we're looking at amount of suffering or amount of grievance, I don't think you can look at anything and tell me there's a singular female or even in totality of all.
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But you put together all of women's grievances and they fall flat in the face of war and forced conscription.
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Wouldn't that be, though, you guys are fighting other guys or fighting because, I don't know, some dictator is doing some crazy stuff overseas.
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And women didn't tell you to do, like, that system was set up by men.
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Currently, there are, uh, heads of state that are female that are involved in, to some degree, military conflicts.
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There are, uh, there are countries with, uh, female heads of state that are involved by proxy with certain wars and evens.
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But queens, for example, they actually did a study.
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They looked at kings versus queens and they actually found that queens were more likely to go to war than kings.
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Was that because people were going after them because they were female or was that studied at all?
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I don't know the specifics of it, but my understanding of the study was, is that these monarchs, these queens, they were more likely to go to, uh, I don't know if it was start a war.
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But I believe it's, they were more likely to start a war than kings.
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I'm curious on it because I'm wondering if it is that they're like, oh, there's a female head.
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But no, there was, but there was, um, what's the name of that one queen in, um, Bloody Mary.
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You made a point of like, but it's men who are sending the men to war.
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So like, what would that, why would that matter?
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Like men are not this hive mind collective, like.
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Well, you're saying like our, our, our collective grievances don't amount to the war thing.
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And I mean, maybe so, but I guess how does that.
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Well, so when I'm talking about collective grievances, the difference here is, so you've, you're talking about something else.
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You're saying, well, who you're asking, whose fault is that?
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That doesn't really relate to my statement as it relates to grievance comparison.
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So you're saying y'all should be able to cry more than us because you have to go to war.
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I'm saying if, for example, we're looking at, if we're, if we're looking at things through the land, through the lens of, uh, oppression or hurt or damage or suffering, uh, or privilege or lack thereof.
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Then this specific thing, I think is worse and has caused more suffering in the specific gender men in this case, then all of women's collective grievances.
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And, uh, we couldn't, uh, we, we couldn't, women can vote.
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But you, uh, the claims about SA, the claims about, um, gender gap, the claims of whatever it is, add them all together.
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Not as bad as all the men who have died or been forced to go to war.
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I think it's all of it to that though, that, okay, obviously dying is the worst situation, especially in war.
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However, think about the women who collectively lost their husbands to war.
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Obviously dying is the worst situation, but grieving that death, having to raise the children and then having all of that collective stuff that you kind of just downplayed a bit.
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Uh, it's, it's, there's a lot of layers to a woman's grieving.
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I'm not saying, no, I'm saying that obviously dying is, but then, but who's left to take care of when the men die?
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It's like the women who they've left behind and obviously like dying, like I've said, is the worst situation in war.
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However, life does continue to go on after death and who's there to have to.
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It's the women who you already admitted have been through these traumatic situations.
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And I'm not downplaying men's part in war is obviously completely traumatic.
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Like women have to carry with them the trauma of having a husband who's died in war as well.
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So is your position that, uh, I mean, you didn't indicate it here.
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Do you think, uh, women are the primary victims of war?
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So you're saying men are the primary victims of war, but, and I don't disagree with you.
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Well, I also wanted to just kind of recap in saying that, that I don't think that it should really be taken as a issue of the sexes or genders.
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I think it should be taken that we collectively as men and women are actually basically fighting against like the 1%, the people who are in power, who are causing wars to actually happen.
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Like we were saying, kings and queens, we're turning it into a gender argument.
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But like we just said, both sexes, genders, whatever we want to call it, suffer immensely from war.
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However, women have to carry on life after death.
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And then having to take care of children that are still alive who actually don't have a parent in the home anymore.
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So I think the, the, where I would be, where I would begin with this is that you would, you would also have to acknowledge that men have male relatives too.
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So that would be further, not just female suffering when men die, but also male suffering when men die, whether it's fathers, brothers, friends, or sons.
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And I agree that those men usually have to step in and kind of take care of the children of the, yeah, in the community.
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My next point would be though, is that while I'll agree with you that men aren't the exclusive sufferers when it comes to war.
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Boys and girls suffer when it comes to war, war, everybody suffers.
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But I think it's a, it's going to be a hard sell to tell me that when we're looking at something that's gender specific, in this case, every single country in the world, I think, except for maybe there might be some small one.
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I'm not aware of, or Israel, where, uh, forced military conscription is exclusively male in all the other countries absent, uh, maybe one or two.
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In any case, it's, uh, I, it doesn't matter because of all the major countries, only men are subject to forced military conscription.
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Actually, um, recently there's a bill imposed certain states.
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You do have to sign up for, uh, women do have to sign up for drafts.
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It's, it is, it's often, it's women can volunteer to join the military, but there's no, first off, it wouldn't be at the, it wouldn't be at the state level that this would be, be done.
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The selective service system is a federal system.
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So it'd be, it would be done at the federal level.
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So there's this idea that on this individual state level, some of the women can be drafted.
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I can't, maybe there's some dumb bill that's been introduced in a state legislature.
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Uh, I don't, I don't even believe that that's true, but it would be at the federal level.
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See, I think it's more of a class war situation than it is the actual like gender war that we want to make it into.
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Because like we just said, men are suffering immensely from going to war.
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Women are suffering immensely from not having their husbands around in the home to care for the children.
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And I think it's collectively because like usually the people suffering the most are the lower class.
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Cause those are the ones who are getting drafted or deciding to go into the army.
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So I'm trying to remember, recall exactly what, oh, okay.
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You were saying, well, the, the wives and the, the mothers and the daughters, they all suffer, right?
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Um, what would you think if I made the following argument that in rebuttal to the pain that women experience when they're essayed, I said, well, their brothers and their fathers and their boyfriends and their husbands suffer when women, and I'm, I'm using that to miss, to redirect and misdirect from your claim about the suffering.
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It causes women when they're essayed and I say, yeah, but let's think about the men in their lives.
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Well, they're the ones doing the essaying usually the brothers and the boyfriends, but men in general.
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So it does hurt the, the people in the women's life, the men in the women's lives who are getting essayed.
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It does hurt them because it hurts their reputation.
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And also like they could say something to other men to try to help prevent these things.
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It's, I don't feel like you're actually contending with my argument.
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Uh, when women go through pregnancy, it's really hard for the husbands.
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And I mean, husbands have a part in making a child, so it should be hard for the husbands as well.
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Well, I don't think it should be, but, uh, yeah, I mean, if your wife or the person who you are having a baby with is suffering, then like we were talking about way at the beginning of this conversation, you should have empathy for your partner.
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So if your partner is having a hard time, you then also would be having a hard time as well.
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If I said because of the frustrations or whatever that men experience during women's pregnancy, and I used it to try to dismiss your point about the suffering that women experience or the pain that women experience or the discomfort that women experience when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth, you would find this laughable.
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I mean, to a certain degree, because it's like physically happening to the woman where it's like more of a mental strain for a man or like financial strain.
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But you can't genuinely tell me that you would say that the discomfort and pain that women experience during pregnancy and childbirth is anywhere near comparable to the, uh, supposed, uh, frustration or pain, mental pain that the man might feel.
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Uh, cause it could be, you know, seeing your wife giving birth and she's in physical pain.
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That could be distressing to a man, but you would never say that that's anywhere near approaching the woman who's actually going through the childbirth.
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You'd never say that it's anywhere approaching the level of pain or suffering she's going through.
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So I think we're going to have to agree that the suffering that men experiences war is dwarfs the, the, look, just to be clear, if you lose, uh, if you're a woman and you lose, uh, uh,
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a son or you lose a husband or you, whatever it is, you lose a male figure in your life in war, that's terrible.
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That's that you're going to, you're going to be grieving.
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But the thing is, is that people can come back from grief.
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People, parents die, grandparents die, and people get back to their life.
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I'm saying in regards to comparing women and men's suffering, I would say, obviously, dying is the worst situation.
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However, the person who is grieving that, like I was saying, you have to raise potentially children alone now in a situation.
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So it's an ongoing suffering on top of the suffering we already previously talked about where you were saying, like, women couldn't vote.
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Yeah, I'm not disputing that it's going to be really bad if your significant other dies or your brother dies or whatever it is.
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But if you're trying to compare the suffering between men and women, women's, after that point, like, you die, you're done.
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You're forgetting one important thing, though, is that the suffering that men experience in war is not strictly related to death.
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You know, like, if you look at historical wars, for example, and if we're allowed to say that women's historical grievances are, you know, if you bring up women often or feminists often bring up women not being able to vote.
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So I'm going to bring up World War I, World War II.
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These were absolutely brutal wars, trench warfare, totally catastrophic.
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What they witnessed, what they experienced, absolutely terrible.
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They came back with just either debilitating physical injuries if they didn't die or just mentally completely thrashed and destroyed.
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And, you know, shell shock, war fatigue, or there's a different term for it with fatigue, PTSD, as it's now called.
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And I think that if, instead of having conversations about which gender is suffering more, we can collectively agree we're all suffering under this system.
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And so why don't we band together and say, hey, we're all collectively suffering here as a lower class people, and it's really the people above us in, like, the top 1% who are causing these wars to happen, who are profiting off of us and this collective trauma.
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I'm not exactly sure what should happen, to be honest.
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Are you, in terms of your political leanings, would you consider yourself, like, a communist or socialist?
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However, I don't really have, like, this utopian concept personally.
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I'm not exactly sure what the right answer is moving forward.
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But you think the, you're saying the people who don't have the means of production should band together and overthrow the bourgeoisie?
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I'm not exactly sure if an overthrowing is exactly what needs to happen.
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But clarify, you said the, what, the lower and middle class should band together.
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I think that instead of having conversations where we're saying women suffer more, no, men suffer more,
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we should collectively say we as lower class people are all suffering together, and we should definitely try to implement some change.
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I don't think that is potentially even possible with just how life is nowadays.
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However, I do think that having conversations together instead of trying to play trauma dump Olympics is going to be the answer.
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Like, we're all collectively suffering when it comes to things like war, and war is typically something that the upper class uses towards the lower class to keep them in place and to cause suffering, like we just said.
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But, I mean, you're talking about, okay, so I mean, to what end do you want the lower and middle class to band together?
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If we look historically at revolutions, you look at the communist revolution in, well, the USSR, Russia, well, it became the USSR.
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Did that, I mean, did they not have a military?
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In fact, my understanding, if you look at the communist revolution, World War II, they lost a fuck ton of men.
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A fuck ton of men died in World War II who were part of the Red Army, the Soviet Army.
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I don't have an ultimate answer of a utopia here.
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I just think my theory is that instead of making it where we're competing against who's suffering more, we should have a collective mindset that we're all suffering under this system.
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So you're trying to disregard my arguments as to male suffering and say, well, we shouldn't play these games of oppression Olympics, but this is a game that feminism started, right?
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So you're going to have to completely dismiss feminism and you're going to have to say feminism's bullshit.
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You have to dismiss all that and say it's bullshit because that's exactly what feminism is, comparing men to women, saying here's how women have it worse compared to men.
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Well, they have had it in regards to their rights and abilities worse than men until very recently.
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I think men have had it worse, not just – men have it worse today and historically.
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I mean, it depends on the man and the situation.
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Look, there were men who were homeless in the 1910s and there were women who were like living incredible – they were part of the upper class and they were living great lives.
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And there were also women who were also on the streets?
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Well, actually, I mean, when it comes to homelessness, men are much more likely to be homeless, but both in modern day and historically.
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But she was trying to make the point, well, you have to – it depends on the person and it's like, well, we can look back historically or modern day, we can find evidence of women who have it worse than a particular man.
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And we can look at a particular man who has it worse than a particular woman.
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I don't think women are saying that we have had it worse than men.
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Feminism just means equal rights for men and women and then ultra-feminism is what you're describing.
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Feminism has always been a grievance movement related to women have it worse.
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I don't know anyone who's saying that we have worse or that it's just not good.
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So you said feminism is an equality movement, right?
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Men and women for equal rights is the definition of it.
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Well, I mean, there's been a big push by feminists to dismantle and destroy gender roles, especially traditional gender roles as it relates to women.
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We even learned that in psychology a long time ago.
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There's actually like different levels of feminism.
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And then you have people that are like extremely egregious.
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Mainstream feminism is about destroying traditional gender roles for women.
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Mainstream feminism puts forward this, I think, dubious patriarchy theory.
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And it paints men as the oppressors and women as the oppressed.
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Mainstream, mainline feminism is patriarchy theory, women's grievances, and men oppressors, women oppressed.
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That's basic patriarchy theory you're going to learn at like any college in a feminist studies program.
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I wish that we didn't label it, though, because back in the day, we decided to start labeling it that and then going, okay, mainstream feminism.
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And then what happened was it was like, oh, crap.
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You know, there goes the labels on that, just like overdoing it with narcissism and trauma.
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And now when you actually have what the real word actually means, you don't get to use it anymore.
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Because the moment I say feminism, everyone's going to have a trigger.
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I think that women coming to the table and going, hey, we want to come to the table for you, too.
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I don't think that would go to war before I send any of my boys to fight.
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Men as a group didn't create male-only selective service.
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Like, I as a man have no more say in how selective service is run than does a woman.
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So we as women are trying to say that we feel for you, and we don't want that to happen
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And we want a seat at the table to vote against it.
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But really quick, before I address the draft thing, you were saying how feminism, like
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Right before that, just a few years before that, was the most catastrophic, brutal, worldwide
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I think it's 10 million, 20 million deaths or casualties.
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Casualties would include injuries and so forth.
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Just look, if you guys want to have a glimpse of the understanding of how brutal World War
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I is, go watch or, well, you could also read the book, All Quiet on the Western Front.
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I think most people don't, no offense to you guys, do you guys, like, have you seen like
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War is brutal in ways you can, and those movies don't even capture 1% of the brutality and
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But World War I happened a few years before women's suffrage in 1920.
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Why is it the case that women were able to secure the right to vote without any corresponding
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So, a lot of women didn't want to get the right to vote because they were worried if
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they did get the right to vote, they would be treated, they would, because they were fighting
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for equality, they would be treated as equals to men, meaning they would be subject to forced
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This is, something that's coming up as you're talking, though, is interesting because it feels
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like when it was feminism, and don't get me wrong, it really was from the beginning,
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there was a delineation between feminism and ultra-feminism.
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It does feel like there's this kind of counterpoint here going on that it's like, a lot of us
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are coming to the table and go, yeah, you guys shouldn't be suffering, and you shouldn't
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be suffering at the hands of other men, you shouldn't be suffering at the hands of women,
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we are coming to the table, it's like, yes, two things coexist, we're trying to make it
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a causality and a thing, instead of it doing two separate things, yes, women, right to
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vote, doing certain things, and at the same time, men suffering is terrible, and I have
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friends that have been going in hard on trying to get more money to the VA, and more work
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for men, and more, you know, all kinds of things, because it does affect our entire community,
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it affects everyone, obviously, we've said that, in different ways, sure, on the war
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thing, whatever, but, not whatever, but you know what I mean, it affects, you guys come
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home, there's a lot of PTSD, the women takes it too, there's PTSD in the home, the child gets
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PTSD, all kinds of things, it, sure, what's the solution?
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Well, I'll address that in just a moment, I just want to make it clear, though, feminism
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has never been about equality, and I'll prove it, so, 1914, 1918, World War I, 1920, women
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get the right to vote, but they also don't have any, like I said, corresponding responsibility
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as it relates to forced military conscription, they're, they're exempt from having to register
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with selective service, and they're exempt from the draft, right?
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And so, mind you, it's been a century, right, we've had a century of feminism, I don't hear
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women, or, excuse me, I don't hear feminists advocating for, let's equalize the draft, I
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Stop, stop, stop, I'd like to finish my point, I'd like to finish my point.
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Just to be clear, feminism is a woman, the most charitable, I'll be, is a women's advocacy
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I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of misandry in the movement.
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So, it's, it's man-hating, I think it's man-hating, patriarchy theory, total conspiracy theory,
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it paints men as predators, it paints women as perpetual victims, men are the oppressors,
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First, it's, feminism's never been about equality, but if I'm going to be as charitable
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as I can be, feminism is a woman's advocacy movement.
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And there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy.
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But to try to parade that as some sort of equality movement, if you're advocating for
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So, as related to the draft, again, it's 2025, women have had over a century to equalize
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this, not equalized, feminism, women have plenty of political capital.
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Most elections are dictated by women, except for this most recent one.
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If you guys wanted to, you could, with your political capital as women, could get this
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But it's just not, one, it's just not politically tenable because women enjoy their privilege
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I think it's, I certainly don't think it's a privilege that men are the exclusive, I'll
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just say, victims of forced military conscription.
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You're talking about a couple things, though, in there, too.
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There's other examples, too, where, look, outside of giving the examples, I'll just say
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If conceivably, equality, a form of equality would not stand to benefit a woman, but it
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would be equality, like we would agree that there could be a form of equality that could
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be to the detriment of women, feminism will not fight or advocate for said equality if
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it conceivably comes, like I said, to the detriment of women.
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And this is exactly how the feminism movement is not an equality movement.
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I think that there's 50-50 in that, and I agree with that.
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I think that, that's why I said, I was like, there's a part in there that we're also starting
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to talk on now, which is privilege and power, because now all of a sudden, now all of a
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sudden, when you've been at the bottom, so to speak, or you look at yourself as the bottom,
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when you view yourself as the oppressed, sometimes what happens is if you don't heal from that
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mindset, you start to get power or you start to get that privilege, and suddenly you don't
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really want to have that taken away or you don't want the full part of it.
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So women with each other, we have our own communication.
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We have our own, like, you know, you said it, we talked about it earlier, women shame other
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Women are still, like, we're still working on, for instance, when I tell women that I'm
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a coach for men, they're like, oh good, they need it.
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And that's, it's just ridiculous, because if you don't heal, regardless of who hurt you,
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you're just going to wind up giving that pain to someone else or continuing to take it on.
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So there's a lot to be said that it's like, yeah, we hear you, we know.
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There's a lot of women who would love that right to be able to go into war and do that,
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and some countries have that, and that's what they wanted.
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So we're looking at, like, you know, the Karens of the world, too.
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Yeah, that's why I think now this is more of a class issue than it is a gender issue,
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because women can fight in war and actively choose to participate because of the benefits
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that going into the service gets them, because they're usually lower class people.
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Yeah, they can agree with you that women can volunteer to join the military.
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Yeah, so it's like, it didn't fully, like, equal out, obviously, because women haven't
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But women still actively do go into the service.
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Well, voluntarily, but even if you look at the volunteer...
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You can't do it voluntarily, though, if you're somewhat forced into it because of your class.
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You're not forced, but there is a pressure when you are of lower class.
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There's an incentive, but there's also an incentive to get a job at McDonald's.
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There's more incentive, though, when it comes to the military because they prey on the lower
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I mean, I'm talking to recruiters now, and they are telling me the same thing.
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Like, for me, being, like, a single mom and student, it made sense for me to enlist because,
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I mean, that's housing, that's school, that's health, that's dental.
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And so if you're already at a lower class status and you're already struggling, you're already
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disparaged, you're already those things, somebody offering you pretty much a set future for
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the rest of your life to sign up for it, it's going to look pretty good.
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That's why you have people enlisting every day, women and me.
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We have women in our family that have enlisted a lot, too.
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I'm going to address really quick just the draft thing, right?
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And so you guys all said, well, maybe we should just get...
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You know, and there should never be crime, and nobody should ever have any cancer or injury.
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We can all agree that, yeah, how the world should be.
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But if we're looking at how the world is, right, war is going to be a reality.
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Like, there's no escaping it, and even if, as a country, you're like, well, I don't want
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to have an army, you do so at your own peril, because if you do get invaded, you've just
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And so the point I would make is this, and I think I'll perhaps change your mind on the
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Look, I don't think the draft is good, but I think it's one of those...
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There's a specific term for this, not a necessity, but a...
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So, which I will acknowledge men are the victims of, and it's awful, and it shouldn't happen,
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And this country, though, they're going to invade us.
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And then they took all the women as war brides.
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And, I mean, historically, yes, this has happened.
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And we know that this country, when they do invade us, in, say, a year, they're planning
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If we don't draft men to fight for the country, they're gonna kill all the men anyways.
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Under these circumstances, are you, as women, here's the entailment.
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Let's say, and you all get to vote on if there should be a draft that happens.
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If you don't vote to draft the men to go to war, there's not gonna be enough of a military
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Because the volunteer force isn't strong enough to repel the enemy.
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If you don't, you're gonna get essayed and all the men are gonna die.
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Well, you guys gotta answer the question before I give my position.
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No, but I meant, so for this, would it be that women can also be drafted?
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Can we, are we voting in that women get drafted as well, too?
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But then why, but do you think that women should have, also be a part of that draft?
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Well, in my specific example, it's just the men.
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And, I mean, that's how most military conscription works around the world.
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It sounds like we're losing either way, draft or no draft.
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No, in this scenario, I'll just go ahead and say, in this scenario, if you do draft the men, you do win.
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I mean, I could make it, I could change the scenario where it's like, well, you know for sure if you don't draft the men,
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So would the women in here reenact the draft if war was imminent with some country?
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Even if that takes away men's free will, because you would...
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Well, you would be sending men who don't want to go and fight, to go and fight.
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So you're taking away their free will and agency.
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And all their wives and mothers and all those people would get S-8 if we decided not to.
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Yeah, they would die anyway, so I guess we would have to.
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I would say no, just because I wouldn't send my...
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I wouldn't send my sons over there just to prevent me or some other woman from getting S-8.
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Yeah, honestly, I would push and I would keep advocating for if that's the case, then I think women need to be in the draft on that one, too.
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World War II, we had it where women went to the workplace and started doing that.
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It's not the same, but that means that we can do something if that's the 40s and we can sit there and push for like, hey, this is eminent, which means that if it's eminent, then we're going to have a serious conversation on, well, if that's the case, then women need to be in the table on the draft.
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But the opposing nation isn't going to have a conversation.
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You can do an executive order where you go, hey, women are now in this draft order.
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Here's what we're going to do just to get this wrapped up.
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So if you want, you guys have like five, ten minutes to get a roast in, then we've got to get this wrapped up because it's super late already.
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And Christopher, I'm really sorry for the delay on these.
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Body count over 300 and you're giving advice to people.
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Dear Brian, we are reaching out in regards to a report of you operating a dump truck without a proper license.
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You enjoy your peace while we take the blows to maintain that life for you.
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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Oh, apparently it's attributed to somebody else, I guess.
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One last, I guess one or two last things from the questionnaire here.
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Just really quick, how are women oppressed in the USA?
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I know we talked about privilege, but how are they oppressed?
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Like, women still don't seem to have the same level of seriousness when it comes to the workplace.
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And, yeah, just in general, socially, like, women aren't taking us seriously as men.
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You know, no offense, but, I mean, I would even say, like, just the fact, like, this podcast in general,
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we are having to defend basically who we are, what we believe in,
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and some of the stuff that we didn't even have any control over, such as, like, the draft and stuff.
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You know, I think all of that's just disgraceful.
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But, like, to me, nothing compares to childbirth.
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And the day that a man can pull another human out of his body, then we'll talk.
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I mean, war is war, but none of that has any balance towards childbirth, if you ask me.
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I have no idea, but not all childbirth is voluntary.
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And then when y'all sit here and you say, but aren't we stronger than you?
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You want us to be that model woman that's beautiful and soft and submissive.
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But you don't want to go, like, you can't have it both ways.
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I believe we should not send men to war at all, and we should just send the women.
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I actually was thinking about it with the proper training.
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I got to, hold on, I got to address that first point you made, though.
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Childbirth is worse than, like, the brutality of war?
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I would say because the amount that most women, most women are going to have to go through childbirth.
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But we are the only sex that has to go through nine months of usually uncomfortable living and then painful birth or surgery.
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Look, I'm not going to dispute that pregnancy and childbirth is painful or discomforting or suffering or whatever.
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But I don't think you're going to make a compelling argument that childbirth can be nearly as bad as war.
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No, I'm saying, for me personally, it's like, like she said, too, I think, there are things and suffering on both sides.
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And most women today, I think, especially the ones sitting here, we don't want any of us to suffer.
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But I think my question behind the whole men going to war thing was, like, what's your point?
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Like, oh, we also deserve a blankie because we suffer, too.
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Yeah, like, what do you want women to do about it?
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So feminism has always been about a comparison.
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But I just reject this categorically, both modern day and historically.
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So this idea that, like, the point I'm trying to make by bringing up warfare is that it's clearly ignored as a gender-based grievance.
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But it clearly is a gender-based grievance if you look at the distribution of men who are soldiers.
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And not just that, but even if you do do a comparison between male soldiers and female soldiers, men are almost exclusively the front-line soldiers, exclusively the ones that are injured, exclusively the ones that are front-line combat that are getting killed.
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So this comparison, feminism's always been about a comparison.
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And I'm saying, actually, now that you're playing the comparison game between men and women, I'm going to play it, too.
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And I'm going to say that if we're looking at the totality of circumstances, and there's a bunch of, by the way, besides war, men are more likely to be homeless.
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Men are more likely to be a victim of violent crime.
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There's plenty of things that I can tell you besides just the war argument where men are disproportionately impacted with negative life outcomes.
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You look at the top 1% or 10% of men, and you attribute that lived experience, oh, that's how all men must experience life.
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But the reality is, here's my argument, is that while it might be the case that there's more male CEOs, and there's more men who are rich, and there's more men who occupy boardrooms, and there's more men who occupy positions of power,
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I'm not going to argue any of that, I'm not going to dispute any of that, I'm going to go ahead and agree and grant it.
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However, I think a greater proportion of women enjoy what I would call the middle, the comfortable middle.
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And then, though, if we're looking at this like a pyramid, sure, let's just go ahead and put men on top.
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And then in the middle, where it's like, you're living like your life's good, your life's okay, you're not a superstar CEO, or you're not, you don't have power, whatever.
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Although, we can have conversations of the soft power that women do have.
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But at the very bottom of this pyramid, you see almost exclusively men.
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The most dangerous jobs, the dirtiest jobs, the most negative life outcomes are disproportionately men.
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So, yeah, maybe it's true that you don't get the corner window office at your company.
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It's not even clear to me if like being a wage slave for some company is like this big win.
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But the worst negative life outcomes, it's almost always men.
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So, it's like you were saying that feminism is like women's advocacy.
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Just trying to make things better for majority of people.
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And so, women are coming together and we're having conversations and we're explaining these grievances.
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And we're usually voting things in to make this change.
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Whereas, it sounds like men just want to maybe just complain about the tasks they have to do in society.
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But like what do you want us to do now that we're listening to them?
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I don't want women to view all men as predators.
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I feel like that's a conversation you should have with your fellow man as well.
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Feminism is always like we want men to acknowledge our grievances.
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You want to also be acknowledged in your grievances.
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Like once you open up this game of grievance, then we have to...
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I think it's completely fair for men to be like, wait, hold on.
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You're saying that just by virtue of me being a man, I'm so privileged and my life must be so easy because I'm a man.
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But the reality is, is that's just, it's just not true whatsoever.
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And this idea, it's kind of this, it's almost, it is sexist to just say, well, men are privileged.
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I think it's a privilege to not have a period every month.
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I think it's a privilege that the majority of women in this country don't have their genitals mutilated upon birth.
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But at the end of the day, are you voting to make that change happen?
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Because like we can't vote to change having periods.
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But you could potentially talk to your fellow brother in about the situation.
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And it's like, what do you want us to, we hear you and we have empathy for you.
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But at the end of the day, like you have to talk to your fellow man about that situation.
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This conversation is actually what helps us a lot.
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Because when we hear that you guys, wait, we're like, wait a minute.
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Like it blew my mind when I'm realizing that I had been programmed to believe that men didn't have feelings and emotions.
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I had to do a lot of work to realize that I was like, oh, I need to be more mindful of what I'm telling someone.
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Especially with a partner and in a relationship.
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Like you do have thoughts and emotions and feelings and grievances and pain and trauma.
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I've seen women destroy men and emasculate and all that.
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Now that we're at the table, there should be some solution.
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We can keep going with the, he said, she said, you do this, I did that.
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But I, and, but it is, it is more like, hey, there are grievances.
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I have a relationship with my boyfriend and it's very close.
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And I understand his own grievances when it comes to being a man in our society.
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I do, however, have friends who are feminists who are misandrist.
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Well, she has certain opinions, but her overall, she's a kind human being.
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My friend's racist, but, and like hates this group, this racial group.
08:38:31.160
Well, like you probably have friends who are like, like extreme, extreme conservatives.
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You don't have the same exact viewpoints as them all the time.
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I think just some of her takes maybe go a little too far.
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I wouldn't say that like mainstream conservatives are sexist or racist, really.
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I think most mainstream conservatives have pretty reasonable takes on gender stuff.
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But like once you, because like, you know, on both sides of the spectrum politically, you can go too far on either way.
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So it's like, you probably have friends who have opinions that are too far, but you're still friends with them, even though you don't agree.
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I'm definitely friends with people who have positions that I don't agree with.
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I don't think I, I don't know if I would be particularly inclined to be buddy-buddy with somebody who was like demonstrably like viciously racist or, you know, something like that.
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Well, I think the term misogyny gets thrown around a whole bunch.
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But if somebody just blanket hated women, I, I'm against that.
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I don't think you should blanketly just hate women.
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I think if they like hate them because of their experiences, then I'm just like, oh, that's just a really like traumatized, unfortunate event type person.
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And so they're like taking it out on that specific gender.
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And I feel like that's a similar conversation we're having where it's like you as men feel like unheard.
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I mean, do you feel like as a man, you don't have the same opportunities as women?
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Is that the sense that you're getting from men nowadays?
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But are you saying that in relation to opportunities?
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Now, granted, I'm not in the like professional corporate world, so I can't speak to that.
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However, what I can tell you is I've had hundreds of men and I've, there's, there's been journalism on this topic.
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I have a lot of friends, male friends, white male friends in the entertainment industry in Hollywood.
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And yeah, there's been massive amounts of affirmative action in the entertainment industry and in Hollywood where they're like, we only want to hire.
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And I believe, I don't know if it was the Oscars or the, they're like, look, in order for your film to qualify for this thing.
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You need to have 40% or 50% of this demographic, you need some transgender people, you need some black dwarf lesbians, you need whatever it is.
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And it's just, there's absolutely affirmative action that's hurting men and hurting white people and specifically hurting white men.
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I mean, if, if they want to band together to start creating laws and get them passed and like they have every right to do that.
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Don't they have the rights to, to make laws and get things changed?
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If, if that is such a cross to bear, then like, go ahead.
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You asked me, uh, are men or white people or white men losing out on specific opportunities?
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If, uh, if, uh, if corporations either through their own internal policies or there's, there's like social pressure or whatever it is through DEI policies,
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or affirmative action is like, you can't hire white men.
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And that would seem to, that would seem to indicate to me that yes, white men are not being given opportunities.
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I mean, the same thing could be said for women in the past and for people of color.
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So it's like the reason that these things have changed is because there's laws that have like started to create that change because people are voting them in.
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So if it's such an issue for you guys, then like, why not do the same thing?
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But if that's, if there's enough of them who are upset and they want to vote it in, then like, you have every right to, right?
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But just to be clear, so if you're, you would be fine with a company only wanting, and this is their internal company policy, only wanting to hire white men?
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But if they're able to get it voted in, like, if it's hurting such a large group of people, and they all collectively decided that they want this law to now be put in to be more inclusive towards them, then they have every right to do that, right?
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Well, California, this was on the ballot a couple years ago, and I think it failed, actually.
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But they were trying to essentially get rid of, I forget the specific terminology, maybe somebody in the chat knows.
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They were trying to undo the, somebody in the chat may be helped, but basically they were trying to make it so that you could discriminate in hiring practices.
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But the discrimination that they wanted to do was discrimination towards hiring minorities and women, and discriminating in terms of being able to not hire men or white men.
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Sorry, it sounded like you said discriminated minorities and white men.
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So discriminating, the discriminating towards, I want to hire black people, that would be discrimination in their favor, right?
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I thought discrimination just always meant that you are against.
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Well, it depends on the phrasing, but yeah, you would, in other words, you would be discriminating against white people or white men or men.
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I believe, I don't recall the outcome of it, but my understanding is it did not pass.
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I mean, look, I understand the overcorrection of things, and now we're at the table going, all right, there's an overcorrection and there's a lot of people screaming.
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How do we do it where there's more of a meritocracy?
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While also helping out identifying confirmation bias or what's the familiarity bias?
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How do you, what's the, again, what's the solution?
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I think I did, but, you know, kind of just goes back to, like, what she said.
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By the way, guys, $30 TTS, I'm going to let them come through here in just a moment.
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And you also said women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
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What right does a man have that a woman doesn't?
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Um, you're going to scoff at this, but, like, the right to not have a child in some states,
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especially if you get pregnant and you do not want to carry that child.
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We don't have, you know, and I think you said something earlier.
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We were talking about, like, promiscuity, and you were like, well, basically, my point
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I mean, this goes back to those reproductive rights.
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Like, one man can get 1,000 women pregnant, but a woman can only get pregnant one time
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Like, so, a woman being promiscuous still does not equate to the social damage of a promiscuous
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If you're looking at their ability to just procreate endlessly, I mean, you could knock
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up seven, you can knock up, I mean, as many times as you can, you know, produce.
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But each of those individual women would have to, I assume, be promiscuous.
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Well, logically, it could be the case that, like, this one guy has managed to get, in a
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short period of time, seven virgin women pregnant.
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I'm saying it's possible, and this would point to, although some people would make the argument
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that a virgin woman just getting knocked up, they might consider that promiscuity, but,
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like, given the low body count, I don't know if I would necessarily categorize it as promiscuity,
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but probably if one guy is getting, like, seven different women pregnant, I think that would
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also point, it would point to his promiscuity, it would also point to their promiscuity.
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Like, if a girl hadn't had a relationship in three years or a month, and she meets you and
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Yes, I'm agreeing that in this scenario, the seven women that this one man, or the seven
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women that this one man, he's getting them all pregnant, they could all be virgins.
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So, like, then why does the value of promiscuity for women, like, why is it so high when we
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Is there, besides the abortion thing and that thing, is there anything else in terms of rights?
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Mm-hmm, I'm going to just stick with those rights that men have that women don't.
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Okay, and then finally, this is the final thing, then the chats, then we're out.
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Gabby, you said women are oppressed in the USA, how?
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Actually, I want to change my stance on that, that I thought about it.
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Rich people are the only people benefiting from anything.
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If you want to get it in, we're going to get it in.
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The dating coach chose bear over man and doesn't know the difference between a biological male
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Brian, if you want to lose weight, join the army.
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Just got back from basic training and lost 30 pounds.
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The only incentive for women to join the military is citizenship and money.
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In half black too, they gave me half an end card.
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Nothing any of you has said is oppression, which is defined as prolonged, cruel, or unjust
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I had twins vaginally and the pain was like cramp sex 10 and my epidural failed three times.
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I hope my donor can get kind of on the show one day.
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As a nurse for eight years, we all have different pain thresholds.
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Some women go through childbirth like a breeze.
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Too bad ICE can't deport whatever you identify also.
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Feminism wants to erase the shit that women have to take.
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But the point Brian is making is that men have to take shit no matter what.
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Men can't opt out of the shit they have to take.
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Also, childbirth ain't shit compared to rounds coming down range, killing your friends and brothers.
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Yeah, I'll just pull this up really quickly just because it came into the conversation earlier.
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It was a failed California ballot proposition that appeared on the November 3rd, 2020 general election ballot,
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asking California voters to amend the Constitution of California to repeal Prop 209 from 1996.
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Proposition 209 amended the state constitution to prohibit government institutions from considering race, sex, or ethnicity,
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specifically in the areas of public employment, public contracting, and public education.
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Therefore, Proposition 209 banned the use of race and gender-based affirmative action in California's public sector and public university admissions.
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Uh, so yes, they wanted to, uh, they voted in favor of it.
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So it's a little confusing because, uh, they basically said,
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originally, they're like, you can't consider race.
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So like, if the person's black, this is back in 1996.
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If the person's black, you can't use that against them.
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Or if they're a woman, you can't use that against them.
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You can't discriminate on the basis of their race or sex.
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But then with Prop 16, what they're trying to do is they're trying to say,
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no, we do want to be able to hire people based on their race or sex.
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So we said, it's basically, they wanted affirmative action.
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It looked like they wanted to repeal of affirmative action.
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And they, but they wanted to employ affirmative action, but this meant they wanted to allow
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So the previous law said discrimination is illegal, but they wanted to allow discrimination.
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But in a way that they view discrimination as positive.
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I see what you're saying with a, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that happens all the time, especially in California, you have all those, uh, props
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People get really confused on them because it's tricky language.
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