Whatever Podcast - Rachel Wilson vs. Feminist Conservative Driena Sixto Debate

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00:00:57.940 details. Without further ado, can you hide that for a moment? Without further ado, I am joined

00:01:04.800 today by Rachel Wilson. She is the wife of Andrew Wilson. She is a mother of five children, as well

00:01:11.940 as author of the best-selling book, Occult Feminism. Also joining us today is Drianna

00:01:20.140 Sixto. She's a political analyst and commentator, as well as Spanish media director for the Lincoln

00:01:28.160 Media Foundation. She received bachelor's degrees in political science and international relations

00:01:34.800 from Florida International University. You each get a five-minute opening, about five-minute,

00:01:42.140 five, six, seven-minute opening statement each, and then we're going to head straight into opening

00:01:46.380 conversation and Rachel you're going first with your opening statement go ahead all right well

00:01:51.380 thanks Brian for hosting this thanks Triana for coming this is a debate I've wanted to have for

00:01:55.960 a long time it's very easy to debate like very woke leftist feminists and make them look kind

00:02:00.800 of crazy but I think that it's important that we have this discussion between women on the right

00:02:06.320 as well because I think we have a very serious problem in the media especially with women who

00:02:11.980 say they're right-wing, conservative, whatever kind of like term you want to use to say they're

00:02:17.200 on that side of things. I think that just because you're not woke doesn't mean that you're conservative

00:02:23.360 and it doesn't mean that you're not feminist. So in Brianna's first appearance, she said that she

00:02:29.760 came to the podcast to help men and women like heal the divide and find a way to have good

00:02:35.320 relationships again. She said she wants both parties to recognize what the other party brings

00:02:41.400 to the table, so we'll talk about the table for sure. But I think her view and understanding of

00:02:48.520 what feminism is, like most people, is based on propaganda, fallacious views of history through

00:02:55.940 presentism, and just ignorance, which I don't blame her for. I'm not, like, calling her an

00:03:00.580 ignorant person. She's a smart person. But most of us just haven't gotten the real story. We've

00:03:05.520 heard a lot of things that we repeat, and we don't really know why, and they're not exactly

00:03:09.820 accurate. So I want to address some of that. I think that once I demonstrate that Adriana actually

00:03:17.380 holds a lot of more classical liberal egalitarian and therefore feminist views, what I predict is

00:03:23.960 going to happen is she's probably going to want to obfuscate, do some stonewalling, and maybe even

00:03:29.620 personal insults. Hopefully we don't have to go there. But I'm just going to keep redirecting it

00:03:33.600 back to the topic and back to what we're here to discuss, which is feminism, especially among women

00:03:38.560 on the right. Andrew calls them femcons, like feminist conservatives, but they're also kind of

00:03:43.600 running a con, right? So Drianne sees marriage more as a interpersonal legal contract, whereas

00:03:51.980 my view of marriage is a lifelong sacramental religious commitment. So we're going to have some,

00:03:58.820 you know, trying to find some common ground to talk about marriage from those very different

00:04:03.280 worldviews. But the problem with this is that, you know, seeing, she made this assertion that

00:04:11.540 she's a capitalist and that she's coming at this from a conservative capitalist view, but right out

00:04:15.760 of the gate in your last appearance, we saw that that's not the case, because you said that you

00:04:21.560 want things like prenuptial agreements, no-fault divorce, and the origins of no-fault divorce are

00:04:28.000 Marxist in and of themselves. The first mention of such a thing was Frederick Engel's lifelong

00:04:33.340 collaborator with Karl Marx, a revolutionary socialist, and then after he started to talk

00:04:39.940 about marriage as this state contract, this no-fault divorce idea of what marriage could be,

00:04:45.760 that was picked up by other people who then ran with it. The other problem that we have is this

00:04:52.820 idea that women's unpaid domestic labor is capitalist, which was another assertion that

00:04:59.280 you had that I would take issue with. That's another thing that is uniquely socialist and

00:05:04.140 Marxist in its origins and in its nature. There were women like Maria Marioso de la Costa and

00:05:11.780 Selma James, whose work was adopted by socialist labor unions. They were the ones that came up

00:05:16.780 with this idea of women's unpaid domestic labor in the home. And labor unions who wanted socialism

00:05:24.000 ran with that because they thought it was a really good way to get women out of the home

00:05:27.480 and into the workforce, where then the workers of the world could unite and we could get enough

00:05:32.240 numbers on the socialist side to have a socialist revolution. So that is definitely not a capitalist

00:05:38.400 position. That's a Marxist socialist position. And then you had this assertion to Andrew that

00:05:46.080 people with prenuptial agreements get less divorce, and he argued that, okay, that could be

00:05:52.940 correlated, but you can't prove that that's the cause or the reason, and I did a deep dive on that

00:05:57.780 data, and he was absolutely correct. Instinctually, he didn't have data at the top of his head, but he

00:06:02.800 knew that that was instinctually not causal, and when I dug into it, I in fact found that

00:06:08.920 there are small, small, like, surveys they've done where it seems that people who have prenuptial

00:06:15.520 agreements maybe have less divorce, but that that's a selection bias issue, that people who

00:06:22.180 have prenuptial agreements have higher incomes, they have more education. So there's nothing

00:06:27.280 causal there saying a prenup is going to put you at less risk. It's more of a correlation. So

00:06:32.180 I think there's just like a whole bunch of misunderstandings about this, and I'm super

00:06:36.140 glad that we get to sit down and talk about this. The great Rush Limbaugh used to talk about

00:06:40.540 the info babes at Fox News, the right-wing conservative media women, and say, hey, this

00:06:46.800 is a problem because they're actually not conservative. They usually have a separate

00:06:50.180 agenda for women. They usually have more of a classical liberal egalitarian view. And to me,

00:06:56.560 that is feminist. I mean, feminism came out of the great enlightenment and the idea of

00:07:01.020 egalitarianism, of trying to make everybody equal, social equality, social justice. So

00:07:05.920 I'm happy to get into this and sort that out because I don't think it's a conversation we

00:07:09.760 have enough and does that conclude your opening statement okay uh go ahead with your opening

00:07:16.120 statement please absolutely hi guys happy to be here again so for clarification no not a feminist

00:07:23.700 in any way uh for the first time in my life i actually was called a feminist just a few weeks

00:07:28.280 back when i was on the show by uh rachel's husband uh i'm pro-capitalism pro-life i'm pro-marriage

00:07:35.500 pro-children. I'm pro-Second Amendment, pro-small government. I am pro-U.S. Constitution,

00:07:42.200 pro-homeschooling, and I believe taxation is theft. What I lovingly call repeal the 19th

00:07:49.420 Rachel, and I disagree on, is that women have a right to vote and have equal rights under the law

00:07:57.140 as men do. That's it. I am not here to argue in favor of feminism, and I really don't care about

00:08:03.920 its history. My argument is that the root cause, like you mentioned, of most of our societal

00:08:10.760 problems is the current disconnect between men and women, which has encouraged, has been encouraged

00:08:17.100 by years by different entities, government entities, to divide and conquer us, put us at odds with one

00:08:23.800 another. Not that women can finally vote. That's not what's causing it. And to help create a strong

00:08:31.840 society with strong families we need to bridge this gap yes between men and women and get both

00:08:37.360 sides to understand the other's inherent value i also live in reality we are currently in a never

00:08:45.360 before seen uh scenario in history right unaffordability is the highest it's ever been

00:08:51.440 the gap between wages and home prices is the largest it's ever been i believe that's by design

00:08:58.480 to keep us pissed off in a rat race, unable to reflect on really who's behind all of this

00:09:04.800 so that we can unite as a society and fight back against it.

00:09:08.780 At the same time, women and men, well, women specifically,

00:09:14.320 have relatively recently achieved true legal and financial equality in history.

00:09:21.200 In fact, Gen X, like Rachel here, because I think it was 1980, which is the cutoff,

00:09:26.580 is the first generation of women to live under true equality in the U.S., which was achieved with

00:09:33.100 the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974. Before that, women couldn't have credit nor get loans

00:09:40.140 without a male cosigner, and that's only 52 years ago. So for the first time in modern history,

00:09:45.920 women are not financially dependent on men to live. And I argue that we should extract

00:09:52.860 the positive things out of this crazy situation that we're in. And that's that since men and women

00:10:00.720 don't financially need each other anymore, they can choose to come together for reasons other

00:10:06.940 than financial reasons, like the character of the person and I don't know, love. So good, loyal,

00:10:15.900 smart, capable, intelligent, emotionally intelligent men see it as their time to shine,

00:10:20.920 right because it's not about the money anymore it's about being kind equally competent as an

00:10:25.780 adult equally responsible for adult responsibilities especially if you want to have a family and this

00:10:32.100 is what most women want now for those of you guys that are hearing this for the first time

00:10:37.160 we all know that the economy is absolute shite right now okay and that raising a family on a

00:10:43.640 single income is a luxury that most Americans can't afford. So instead of listening to women

00:10:51.160 hating Manosphere podcasts that call you men, specifically losers, unless you're making a

00:10:55.960 million dollars a year, and that say women are materialistic or promiscuous, and therefore,

00:11:01.280 you know, they're responsible for the loneliness epidemic, I suggest listening to people that don't

00:11:06.700 make a living off of dividing the sexes, right, and making the problem worse, which I think is evil.

00:11:12.480 and if we're trying to promote strong traditional family units well which I am despite the economy

00:11:20.220 men need to become the kind of leaders that women can look up to can trust and can depend on

00:11:26.500 and it's in a woman's nature to look for these things in men for partnership which means men

00:11:33.420 cutting vices that keep you weak addicted and with a warped sense of reality when it comes to women

00:11:39.880 like pornography, which a majority of men consume, and I argue is the single largest contributor to

00:11:46.500 the decay in relationships between the sexes. And I think afterwards, women will naturally

00:11:52.540 want to look forward to relationships with men more. Because why would a woman marry a man that

00:11:59.100 watches porn and thinks it's okay to do that while in a relationship, which in my book is emotional

00:12:03.320 cheating? Or why would she marry a man that wants her to work in split bills, which I understand

00:12:08.820 is the reality of most Americans, but then isn't equally competent or responsible partner when it

00:12:15.520 comes to household duties or raising children, it just sounds like an irrational deal. Or worse,

00:12:21.440 why would a woman want to give children to men who think being a stay-at-home mom has no inherent

00:12:26.340 value? It's just what women are supposed to do when raising kids right is the pillar of a strong

00:12:32.680 society, and the market value of what a stay-at-home mom does is extremely high. Or worse,

00:12:38.700 nowadays there's men that say women that do want to be stay-at-home wives means that they're gold

00:12:43.720 diggers when nobody ever called grandma or great-grandma a gold digger for being a homemaker

00:12:48.760 her entire life, right? So the solution to our modern problems is in telling women that they

00:12:54.780 shouldn't be allowed to vote or have financial independence, which is just a stupid sexist

00:13:00.060 losing message for the right, but to make sure that men and women value the opposite sex and

00:13:07.520 what they contribute to society. And the onus is on men to hold themselves accountable and become

00:13:13.320 men worthy of leading a family, because women can't and shouldn't trust men or follow men

00:13:19.820 that let vices or urges control them. And without strong men, women have had to step into their

00:13:26.300 masculine energy and fill that void and that's the problem we face not that women have rights

00:13:33.400 right and if you disagree with human basic human rights for women then I suggest never to be a

00:13:39.780 hypocrite and take a one-way trip to Iran where women don't have rights and can't vote right

00:13:44.580 just like I'd recommend communists here in the U.S. to take a one-way flight to Cuba if they

00:13:49.760 don't like it here so much. That's my closing statement. Well, opening statement. Okay. Would

00:13:56.340 either of you like to respond to anything you've heard there? Well, I think let's start with what

00:14:00.720 do you think feminism is? And then I'll tell you what I think feminism is. So I don't really care

00:14:06.360 because so many people have different definitions. I only care about two things, which is women

00:14:11.480 voting and women having financial independence. That's it. I'm not here to argue for feminism

00:14:17.320 in any other way, just a woman's right to vote and a woman's equal financial rights and opportunities

00:14:23.600 as men. So egalitarian rights. Okay. That's it. So almost everything that you stated as your

00:14:30.200 values and the things you care about here and in your opening are actually classical liberal

00:14:34.640 positions. They are not conservative positions. Are you aware of that? Explain which ones. So

00:14:39.500 saying egalitarianism, that was part of the French revolution, the ethos, liberty, equality,

00:14:46.480 fraternity that's a revolutionary classical liberal idea it's not a right-wing conservative

00:14:52.820 idea i i don't care about so this is this might be a short you know debate well you said you were

00:15:00.000 conservative yes again the only argument i'm making is that all citizens have inherent values

00:15:07.500 doesn't matter the sex doesn't matter the gender doesn't matter the nationality ethnicity or

00:15:12.780 anything. I want you to make me an argument why you think that that shouldn't be the case, why

00:15:17.600 women should be held, not have the same rights. So you said if you don't like America, you can

00:15:22.240 leave, right? If you don't think America's the best, you can leave. We care about American

00:15:26.220 foundational values, right? Western values. Okay. Well, you said America, but let's just say

00:15:31.640 Western. Okay. Are you aware that this country was not founded on the idea of universal suffrage?

00:15:37.420 that's a new progressive idea i know that it was not uh originally working that way but the u.s

00:15:44.720 constitution and the idea of the united states absolutely saw us all as equals and then throughout

00:15:52.720 the years we had to super specifically define it because you know it wasn't put that blatant

00:15:59.340 from the beginning of time but it's there in the constitution that we all have inherent rights

00:16:04.260 from God as equal human beings. That's funny because it took until the progressive era to

00:16:10.620 pass the 19th amendment, which was a progressive piece of legislation. It was not conservative. So

00:16:16.500 all I'm trying to do is say, please don't use the label conservative if you're actually a

00:16:21.060 classical liberal. So let's just get that straight. All of your positions are classical liberal

00:16:25.680 positions and you're doing what a lot of MAGA babes do. They're like, I like Trump and I want

00:16:31.200 to deport illegals and I'm not super woke therefore I'm conservative that's why I don't I don't use

00:16:36.680 the label conservative because it means nothing anymore because people like you are actually

00:16:40.980 libertarians you're classical liberals you lean more progressive than not and you call yourself

00:16:47.580 conservative and then say I'm the radical weirdo who's like this crazy person yeah well there's

00:16:53.480 limited amounts of titles on what to call people's individual political beliefs there's usually just

00:17:00.080 conservative libertarian republican democrat don't you have a degree in political science

00:17:06.360 and yeah yeah and everybody why are you not aware that you're a classical liberal uh no because that

00:17:12.480 wouldn't specifically define my ideas my personal ideas are way too broad you can't just okay what

00:17:20.020 are some conservative positions that you have conservative positions i believe uh taxation

00:17:25.440 is theft. That's a libertarian idea. Yeah, which our founding fathers were very much for. The

00:17:32.780 first thing George Washington did was institute the tax, and we fought a whiskey rebellion over

00:17:38.100 it. So no, the founders were not against taxation. Maybe the income tax, but we had representation,

00:17:45.580 and they said, now that we have representation, we're going to tax you. So it is not a conservative

00:17:49.860 idea to be completely against taxation that is a libertarian idea it's yeah and i still believe

00:17:56.660 it's it's true that it is still theft so let's find the conservative position because anything

00:18:01.860 that is done through coercion right is is theft you don't pay taxes that's a libertarian that's

00:18:08.680 a dyed in the wool libertarian position which is cool i'm not even saying there's anything wrong

00:18:12.660 with that but then you're a libertarian you can't put that title on me because it doesn't

00:18:18.400 also then qualify, tell me any position you have, any position you have that's conservative.

00:18:24.660 So conservative. So I believe in our second amendment rights, right? That's also a classical

00:18:30.120 liberal value. Okay. So I'm a little bit of this and that, right? No, you're just a classical

00:18:35.120 liberal. I'm looking for one conservative. But you just called me a libertarian just two seconds

00:18:39.720 liberal is libertarian. They're the same thing. So I'm, I'm a mix of both political science major,

00:18:44.220 by the way, don't go to college. It's a giant waste of money. I actually agree with that.

00:18:48.180 Awesome. I actually agree with that. I went to school and I got my degrees and thankfully I'm

00:18:53.800 working in the field that I went to school for, but you can learn most everything about politics

00:19:00.180 and international relations by staying in the loop of things. I actually do tell people don't

00:19:08.860 go to college unless you're going to go get a STEM degree. In fact, I think I got myself most

00:19:13.760 of my positions by skipping classes and actually being active in the community and, uh, experiencing

00:19:20.160 reality rather than just reading political theories and books, which I had to do as well.

00:19:24.900 But, uh, you still want one conservative, just one, and then I'll move on from this point. Just one

00:19:29.700 actually conservative position, conservative position. I'm very pro-family. I'm very pro-life

00:19:36.060 that is. So you're against abortion. Yes, I'm against abortion. And if you're pro-family,

00:19:40.700 how do you feel about gay marriage? I think that basically the government should have never gotten

00:19:46.680 involved in marriage in the first place. But you said you live in reality and that right now the

00:19:51.440 government's involved and it's a government contract, which is why women need prenups and

00:19:55.560 all this stuff. You said we live in reality. So we live in reality right now where gay marriage is

00:20:00.040 legal. Are you for that or against that? If the gays want to come into a partnership together,

00:20:05.800 then they should have legal protections so gay marriage you're pro-gay marriage I'm not pro-gay

00:20:12.940 marriage I'm saying if two people want to live together and have to legally sign that they are

00:20:19.820 in a civil union so that one can go to the hospital for the other and be admitted the same

00:20:25.040 rights that married couples do then they need to go do that I'm in favor of that but I don't think

00:20:31.700 that the government should have gotten into marriage in the first place. The reality is,

00:20:36.380 however, that marriage does afford certain privileges that unmarried couples do have.

00:20:41.660 Right. So that's why it's a legal advantage. Are you in favor then of gay marriage? Because

00:20:47.100 it kind of dodged around. Do you just want civil unions that are different from then how I'm

00:20:52.360 married or how you would get married? I mean, most, I guess, gay couples, I think, just wanted

00:20:59.960 the same legal rights and tax tax benefits of married couples not the fact that they could do

00:21:09.220 get an address and a tuxedo and go in a church and get married because then they would have to

00:21:14.640 take it up with the church right see and this is the problem with your libertarian position of

00:21:20.000 turning marriage into a contract with the state is that you have no grounds on which to say

00:21:24.540 the gays can't get married. Because your reasons for men and women getting married are going to be

00:21:30.600 the exact same reasons that you're going to say gay couples should get married. It has always been,

00:21:35.680 even before, you know, churches existed and Christianity and all that. Marriages, civil

00:21:41.460 unions have always had some kind of legal contract and observed within the communities that, like in

00:21:50.320 Rome, for example, right? There were certain privileges and certain responsibilities that

00:21:55.240 were given to civilly married unions. Are you talking about pagan Rome or Christian Rome?

00:22:00.740 Before, yeah. Pagan Rome? Yep. Okay. And there's been, again, the union of man and woman since

00:22:07.800 the beginning of time, right? Yes. Even in the Bible, man and woman became one. Wait, hold on,

00:22:13.420 let her finish. Yeah, man and woman became one before God, not before the church, right? I think

00:22:20.260 that's how I personally see marriage myself. I think that if two people want to come together

00:22:26.780 and call themselves, you know, a couple officially before God, that's it. And then obviously,

00:22:32.940 you're going to want to get legally married because of the benefits that exist. But that's

00:22:37.620 what I care about. And again, that's just my personal opinion. I still want to, again,

00:22:44.940 get an argument from you as to why women should not be able to vote why rachel well first i just

00:22:52.100 let you talk you know i'm gonna talk so i'm gonna respond to everything you just said first of all

00:22:56.120 you didn't give me a straight answer you gave me a whole bunch of gobbledygook and wandering

00:23:00.420 meandering nonsense to say that basically you know at the beginning of this and in your last

00:23:06.420 appearance you were like oh i live in reality where uh the government is a part of the contract

00:23:10.480 That's actually not true. So the first people to make marriage not a sacrament of the church governed by the ecclesiastical authority of the church was Alexander Kolontai under Vladimir Lenin during the Bolshevik Revolution.

00:23:23.920 In 1917, Russia was the first place in the world that we had a state contract governed by the state with no-fault divorce.

00:23:32.640 That is not a Christian institution.

00:23:34.660 It's not even an ancient pagan institution, as you noted.

00:23:37.400 But back in those days, even under pagans, it was more of a family contractual agreement where you're marrying for the purpose of two families kind of uniting.

00:23:45.880 And a lot of things went into that.

00:23:47.960 But, no, this is brand new.

00:23:49.520 This idea of marriage as just this personal contract you have with somebody that's governed by the state is only about 100 years old.

00:23:58.180 And you basically just told me that you're pro-gay marriage.

00:24:01.140 So I'm still, I'll answer.

00:24:02.820 Don't put words in my mouth.

00:24:03.840 Then you have to answer either yes or no.

00:24:06.020 Are you for gay marriage rights or not?

00:24:08.960 You are for human rights.

00:24:10.520 You're for rights.

00:24:11.640 Are you for?

00:24:12.280 Under the law.

00:24:13.100 Right.

00:24:13.500 Are you for gay marriage rights?

00:24:15.140 Should gays be able to have the same legal marriage that men and women have?

00:24:19.520 Yes. Okay. That's not a conservative position. So I'll answer your why should women not vote

00:24:25.600 question. As soon as you give me one position, just one on anything where you're actually

00:24:30.640 conservative at all. I've just mentioned a few. I am again, pro-life. I am pro-marriage. I am

00:24:38.900 pro-small government. So you would, well, small government is like a fiscal. Yes. Fiscal

00:24:44.280 conservative. I'm a constitutionalist, right? So yeah, all of those things constitute a lot of

00:24:52.080 conservative values. So you're pro-life. Yes. So you would be against abortion in pretty much

00:25:00.200 all circumstances. Yeah. Okay, then I'll give you that one. That's the only one that I can come up

00:25:06.020 with that makes you anything remotely conservative. So good job on that. But why do I think women

00:25:12.740 shouldn't vote. Well, I'll tell you why I think women shouldn't vote. So you work for, you worked,

00:25:18.000 you did a lot of hard work trying to get Trump reelected. You're very pro-Trump and you want to

00:25:23.000 help Republicans, right? And part of the reason you don't like this gender war is because you're

00:25:27.060 like, look, this is a terrible position for the right. You're alienating all the female voters,

00:25:31.580 right? Yes, that's partially correct. Yeah. If women didn't vote anymore, we would never have

00:25:38.360 another democrat president we would never have another democrat senate and we would never have

00:25:43.020 another democrat congress you're right you're right rachel you're absolutely one of the reasons

00:25:46.920 that because of the values i hold which are actually a lot more conservative even though

00:25:51.540 i don't like the term i don't really care about republicans versus democrats i think that the big

00:25:56.660 tent republicanism is just liberalism at a slower speed like what you believe in i don't believe in

00:26:03.240 that. I'm more of a, I'm a patriarchist. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I would be a monarchist if I

00:26:08.620 could. But if we care about the things we say we care about, like small government, letting women

00:26:14.520 vote ensures you will never have that again. The reason the 19th Amendment was passed was because

00:26:20.680 the progressive era liberals wanted to pass the income tax. They wanted to pass the Federal Reserve

00:26:27.540 Act. They wanted a nanny state with welfare. And they wanted pro-immigration open borders. And they

00:26:34.940 knew that if you only let men vote, you're never going to get that agenda passed. The whole

00:26:39.220 progressive agenda would have never been passed without women voting. And that's why I think that

00:26:45.840 we should have some kind of restriction, as we had at the founding, where it's not just one person,

00:26:52.780 one vote. There's a lot of ways you could do that. I'm not saying you have to just say no females

00:26:58.980 voting, although I think that's a great idea for a lot of reasons that we can get into, but you

00:27:04.660 could do things like net positive taxpayers. You could do something, anything where you have to

00:27:10.400 have skin in the game, but if what you care about is keeping this conservative agenda that you say

00:27:15.900 you want for us and the social and fiscal conservatism, the fastest way to ensure that

00:27:20.700 you never get that passed is letting women vote. Yes, Rachel, that is factually correct because

00:27:26.520 most women vote left wing, right? Even though most white women do vote Republican after the 1980s

00:27:36.440 for president. But you're making the argument that because people disagree with my personal

00:27:42.900 political beliefs, that I should take away their right to vote. I'd like to, and I disagree with

00:27:48.980 that. I think that the way to get people to vote how I want them to is by arguing that my ideas

00:27:55.320 are better than somebody else's, not taking away somebody else's right to vote. Because then you'd

00:28:00.840 have to make the argument, Rachel, that we should take away black people's rights to vote, or that

00:28:05.400 would be a good thing. Why? Why would we have to say that? Let me finish. Because black people vote

00:28:10.380 80 to 90 percent Democrat in every presidential election, which is a racist, obviously, position

00:28:17.280 to have. You don't tell people and your ultimate solution isn't, uh, to stop people from voting

00:28:24.600 because you don't get what you want. It's making arguments to convince said people that your ideas

00:28:30.740 are better. Well, I don't give a crap about democracy. I don't like the, I'm glad you clarified

00:28:37.080 that. Yeah, I don't, I'm not a, I'm not a democracy enjoyer. I know that you, I know you think that's

00:28:43.440 Cuba. No, Americanism, like the American ethos. So many places. America was not founded as a

00:28:50.220 democracy. And if you went to school for this, I would expect that you would know more about this.

00:28:55.280 It was not a universal suffrage democracy. It was a very extremely limited suffrage

00:29:01.220 representative republic. That's not what we have now. So I am, if you want to call me the

00:29:07.760 traditionalist, yeah, it's a representative republic. It's a constitutional republic

00:29:12.880 because the Constitution guarantees that individual rights aren't trampled upon, right?

00:29:20.020 And that we still have certain things that we do vote on, you know, policy differences,

00:29:25.180 but the Constitution gives everybody certain inalienable rights.

00:29:31.620 Yes, and that is what the country was founded upon.

00:29:34.880 This is what I have a problem with, though.

00:29:36.880 You have a problem with the Constitution.

00:29:37.920 Yes, I do. I do have a problem with it.

00:29:39.680 This is why, and I know you think that's some big dunk, like, oh, she's, she's, I can't

00:29:45.140 believe she said that out loud, but I'm going to explain why, and everyone's going to agree

00:29:48.820 with me.

00:29:49.540 The fundamental flaw in our government is this idea that, oh, we can just keep changing

00:29:55.160 it.

00:29:55.500 So what it was founded as is not what it has become.

00:29:58.960 We have become this ultra-progressive society, and that was built in.

00:30:04.520 It's a fatal flaw.

00:30:06.220 I'm not a constitutionalist.

00:30:07.780 I don't believe in democracy.

00:30:09.680 because democracy means everybody gets a say. I don't want everybody to have a say. I don't want

00:30:15.900 people who have more to gain from voting to take money out of my pocket to have the same say as

00:30:21.560 people who are net positive taxpayers. I agree with that. I don't want people who are contributing

00:30:25.880 to the system. This is what it is, though. You have Somalian daycare scammers who are getting

00:30:32.180 millions of dollars for free because of scams, but the rest of us have to go to work, and if we don't

00:30:38.620 pay our taxes, the IRS is down our throats. They're about to put us in jail. I agree. You have welfare

00:30:43.400 queens. You have people taking more from the system than they're getting. This is a terrible

00:30:47.160 idea. And the inherent flaw is this idea that just because you live here, you should have a say in

00:30:53.640 how the government is run. So let's work on those flaws, right? Let's work on those flaws instead of

00:30:57.480 the blanket statement. It's a fatal flaw. It's built in. Let's keep everybody that I don't like

00:31:02.120 from voting. Okay, but you didn't let me finish. It's not a bug. It's a feature. You can't take it

00:31:07.600 out your classical liberal foundation of everybody has rights you don't care about duties you care

00:31:14.160 about rights you're going to say everyone should have rights okay let's get into that then well

00:31:19.140 first of all you're I want to go back to your assertion that we'd have to say black people

00:31:22.760 can't vote that's atrocious and ridiculous and I didn't say that and I wouldn't say that however

00:31:27.080 if black women didn't vote that would help if white women didn't if all women didn't vote

00:31:34.220 we would not be battling trans kids we wouldn't be battling yeah it's going to be quite the clip

00:31:40.140 women voting is the larger issue because this is why they wanted to give women the vote because

00:31:46.100 women are easily swayed they're easily propagandized they tend to vote on emotion

00:31:50.120 that don't interrupt me i'm not done i'm not done good women women vote they've done a lot of i have

00:31:58.780 a whole book on this at home that i'm reading where they've done all this research on women

00:32:03.120 and how and why they vote and they will vote things like the Nixon Kennedy election women

00:32:09.480 voted for Kennedy not because they knew anything about policy or because he had better ideas

00:32:13.860 you're still stuck in this paradigm that we're in a war of ideas women don't most women don't

00:32:19.300 think that way they're not going and researching the issues they go he's tan and handsome I like

00:32:24.800 him he's bald and he's shiny on tv and I don't like him I don't like his tone and so they don't

00:32:31.320 vote for him. This is like not my opinion. This is what they say in exit polling. This is what

00:32:38.820 all of these political PACs who are desperately trying to get women's votes find when they do

00:32:43.500 the research. Women vote for security. They vote for a nanny state and they vote for progressive

00:32:50.320 policies because those sound nicer. That's why in every political cycle, you see all these

00:32:56.480 commercials coming from the Democrats going, Republicans want to take away school lunch and

00:33:00.720 they want to kill your grandma and they don't want her to have her medicare anymore because women

00:33:04.800 see that and they're like i have to protect the innocent babies they're so helpless women

00:33:09.080 shouldn't be in politics because it weaponizes our maternal instinct against our own interests

00:33:15.480 so that's why you see women you see women trying to fight ice agents in the streets even if the

00:33:21.640 illegal guy has you know uh cp and uh you know liberal women great doing that yeah well i've

00:33:29.740 I've argued with conservative women about this as well.

00:33:33.020 That are fighting ICE.

00:33:33.160 Yes.

00:33:33.800 They see ICE dragging people out.

00:33:37.540 They see families getting separated or they see kids behind a fence or whatever.

00:33:42.860 And they're like, we can't do it this way, guys.

00:33:44.820 We can't.

00:33:45.180 And so even people like Trump will back off on what they want to do because the women freak out.

00:33:50.420 And they're like, we can't do this.

00:33:51.560 It's too mean.

00:33:52.700 Are we done here?

00:33:54.080 On your rant against women?

00:33:55.700 Oh, like you didn't rant and prattle and meander with your stuff, too.

00:33:58.040 It sounds like you have a lot of disdain for women in general.

00:34:02.220 Absolutely not.

00:34:03.060 I think women are wonderful in their maternal role.

00:34:06.680 They shouldn't be in politics.

00:34:07.580 I'm sure that you would love to have kind of a say on what women can and can't do and what their roles in society should be.

00:34:17.260 I disagree with that.

00:34:18.540 I do think women should be encouraged to become mothers, and we need strong women to lead families and, you know, have and raise great kids.

00:34:29.240 However, I am not using a woman's natural biological differences as basically fodder against their right to vote, basically.

00:34:41.100 Even if it costs you your liberty and it costs you all of your things that you value?

00:34:45.080 they voted for a majority of them for for a republican in the last election so it does

00:34:51.100 show that with the right arguments you can convince people to vote republican that is a

00:34:57.760 factual statement of recent elections that happened so rachel if you are just bad at

00:35:04.080 showing people why it's better to not vote and for you know women to live under uh the rule of men

00:35:12.820 and only have them make political and financial decisions for them,

00:35:18.380 then just say that, right?

00:35:20.100 In my opinion, I have spent over the last decade

00:35:26.640 on college campuses talking to students from the left

00:35:30.920 to men and women basically on why conservative values are better

00:35:36.160 to sway them to my side.

00:35:38.140 I don't show up on a campus

00:35:42.120 and tell uh 18 year old girls hey you know you're just too dumb and you're you know your hormones

00:35:49.080 fluctuate and uh you totally should leave all political decisions to men i think you you know

00:35:55.780 can't handle yourself and and that's why you should totally believe what i say and you know

00:36:01.180 stop voting in the future um let's talk about oh wait i get to reply to that i get to reply to that

00:36:08.720 first you went on for quite some time so let me uh finish i'm gonna reply to what you just said

00:36:13.640 because you just said you must really hate women you must have all this yeah i think anybody

00:36:18.320 watching will say that you don't like women or you have you hold women of lesser value than men

00:36:26.500 and i disagree with that okay well i'll prove to you that that's not true okay before the passage

00:36:32.320 of the 19th amendment the groups that we had two groups we had the pro-sufferage side and why do

00:36:38.620 you what do you wait let her finish we had two different groups pro-suffrage and anti-suffrage

00:36:43.780 the vast majority of women were absolutely against the 19th amendment and women's voting rights did

00:36:50.520 all of those women also hate other women susan b anthony herself said if we'd left it up to women

00:36:56.640 to pass women's voting rights it never would have happened that all their support came from

00:37:01.060 progressive socialist men so i'm asking you my great grandmother who did not think politics was

00:37:08.080 the role of women? Was she hateful toward women or did she instinctively know that this was going

00:37:13.760 to create the gender divide that you don't like? The gender divide you're trying to fight was

00:37:19.540 caused by trying to politicize women and put them in men's roles and have them be involved in

00:37:25.180 politics and government. Did those women hate women? I don't care if a majority of women were

00:37:31.020 against women's right let me finish let me finish because yeah let her finish um i don't care if

00:37:36.600 99.9 percent of women were against women having equal values to men it still doesn't take away

00:37:43.420 from the fact that it is correct that women have equal values to men because you prefer it no

00:37:51.380 because this country was founded on protecting the minority right no it wasn't let me finish

00:37:58.420 let me finish rachel um this country was founded to protect the individual right this we're not a

00:38:06.520 democracy we are a constitutional republic because we all have inherent values so it does not matter

00:38:12.580 that 99.9 percent of the population wants something if it tramples on the individual's

00:38:20.000 rights rachel um this is basic stuff okay now we're getting somewhere now we're getting somewhere

00:38:25.060 And so, again, it doesn't matter if somebody that supported women's suffrage, so women voting, was a literal witch, a Satanist, a Marxist, a whatever.

00:38:38.580 I don't care.

00:38:39.980 It doesn't take anything away from the fact that it is still right that men and women have equal value when it comes to representation, right?

00:38:48.880 It does not matter that men are physically stronger than women.

00:38:53.600 and that's why, you know, they should then be the ones to vote

00:38:56.900 because ballots are not the same thing as barbells, Rachel.

00:39:00.460 And again, this is why I am glad to be here.

00:39:04.220 Sorry, keep going.

00:39:05.360 I'm glad.

00:39:05.700 Tiffany, what are you doing?

00:39:08.200 I'm glad.

00:39:09.400 Sorry, keep going.

00:39:10.420 I'm glad to be here because I equally think that there's really toxic voices

00:39:16.940 in the conservative red pill movement

00:39:20.540 that are putting so many people off

00:39:24.060 from what our side really is about.

00:39:27.300 And some people think that in the red pill movement,

00:39:30.740 you know, all these women just want to take away women's rights.

00:39:34.540 And like Andrew Breitbart said,

00:39:37.460 that politics is downstream from culture.

00:39:39.960 There's a lot of people in this, I guess, manosphere,

00:39:44.360 which I'd include you in that, you know. I debate, me and Andrew both debate against

00:39:50.160 manosphere guys. Yes, but you have a lot of similar opinions, which is that women don't have

00:39:56.560 equal value to men and that they should not vote. And I think that's toxic and it's part of the

00:40:02.720 culture and it is flowing downstream and it is affecting politics. And as a result, Rachel,

00:40:08.540 young women in this country are the most left-wing they've ever been in history before. I wonder

00:40:14.200 what that is and I wonder if telling those young girls that they you know are not smart enough to

00:40:20.060 vote that they are not emotionally mature enough to vote is going to bring them to our side I think

00:40:25.780 that that is a personal thing as well like as an individual you seem to have a higher emotionality

00:40:31.700 rate than myself and the same goes for men that can that can vary you just talk and talk and talk

00:40:39.400 you're just gish galloping we're gonna be here this is we're gonna be here for five hours but

00:40:43.060 it has to be a back and forth exchange I don't want to hear about your all you just gave me was

00:40:48.020 emotions you just gave me a whole I feel like this and I think that no I didn't feel and I think

00:40:53.000 I gave you specific examples but now I'll turn it back over to you again Rachel why shouldn't women

00:40:59.380 vote might I quickly ask a moderation question here uh you you had posited that women turning

00:41:07.780 to becoming more left-leaning is because of sentiments that Rachel holds.

00:41:15.340 Rachel, do you believe that this trend in women becoming more left-wing

00:41:20.480 is because of some of this rhetoric?

00:41:24.920 Well, I'll answer that in a second, but first I want to point out

00:41:27.640 that she's a contradiction machine.

00:41:29.540 I had to wait and wait and wait.

00:41:31.460 Yes, first you said, first you were like, ooh, I got her.

00:41:34.580 She doesn't believe in democracy.

00:41:36.040 Ooh, that's a good clip.

00:41:36.920 I'm going to tell everybody she doesn't believe in democracy.

00:41:39.140 And then you said, we're not a democracy.

00:41:41.480 We're a representative republic.

00:41:43.520 So which is it?

00:41:44.800 Do you believe in democracy or no?

00:41:46.680 I believe in democracy because a constitutional republic is a mix of a constitution that holds

00:41:53.600 specific inalienable rights for people and then a democracy where people vote on things

00:41:59.360 that are not up for debate.

00:42:01.600 Do you understand those two concepts?

00:42:02.940 Of course I do.

00:42:03.680 you're the one that doesn't understand those two concepts because you don't understand the

00:42:07.380 difference between the founding form of government and the one we have now you want universal

00:42:12.300 suffrage that's a progressive position you just contradicted yourself on multiple counts you said

00:42:18.140 if i don't agree with women voting that means i hate women and i said the vast majority of women

00:42:23.900 never wanted votes they didn't want votes for women they even banned women from voting on whether

00:42:30.580 they wanted to vote. It's my turn now. I know you're waiting to speak, but let me finish.

00:42:35.780 Women didn't want to vote. They weren't hateful. I don't hate women. I'm not emotional. I'm overly

00:42:43.620 emotional here or something. I'm saying that women are of equal value. That doesn't mean that they

00:42:50.000 have the same roles as men. What you're doing is muddying the waters and saying, unless we're the

00:42:55.520 same across the board, that's inequality. Again, a leftist position. Time after time after time,

00:43:01.340 you say you're for liberty, you say you're for rights, you say you're conservative, but every

00:43:06.340 idea you articulate is a left-wing progressive idea. And you keep contradicting yourself.

00:43:12.920 Your worldview is, no, I haven't contradicted myself at all. Me not wanting women to be

00:43:19.520 involved in politics does not in any way mean that I hate them. In fact, it's out of love for them

00:43:23.980 that i don't want them involved in this sort of stuff for the same reason i don't want them right

00:43:28.700 now with this debate that we're having in front of a ton of people no pro-suffrage and anti-suffrage

00:43:33.460 women debated but women have always women can talk to each other and women have always debated each

00:43:38.360 other why not do that at home why in front of an audience of people isn't that getting directly

00:43:41.680 involved in politics no it's not to influence politics because we're arguing here for different

00:43:47.280 political prescriptions right for what we think is best for society and uh somebody that might

00:43:52.880 be watching might think, you know, Rachel's a hypocrite because she's, you know, over here

00:43:57.680 debating instead of being at home with the kids like a good conservative woman should do. I'm

00:44:02.440 against that, by the way. I don't think that should be the case. But what would you say to

00:44:05.960 those people? I've addressed this criticism so many times. And if you had prepared at all for

00:44:10.660 this debate, if you had watched any of my stuff, you'd know what my answer to this is already.

00:44:15.860 Go for it. It was never the case that women couldn't speak in public. It was never the

00:44:20.540 case that women couldn't have opinions couldn't write books couldn't have you know discourse in

00:44:26.160 public that's it's what you're sure okay i'm sure about that yes that is a commonly held myth

00:44:32.060 that women that people people think that women were not allowed if women were not allowed how

00:44:38.100 come we had suffragists and feminists publicly speaking writing books doing speaking tours doing

00:44:44.760 debates from the 1700s on and even before that my book has a whole chapter where i give multiple

00:44:50.280 examples of women being able to have a voice just because they couldn't vote or hold political

00:44:55.700 office just because there were limitations that's not oppression again that's a leftist position

00:45:00.200 for you to say women have to be able to do everything men can do there should be no gendered

00:45:05.240 roles we should all have all options open that's a progressive position so you're saying women

00:45:12.840 should be able to do anything men can do i never said that yeah you if men can vote women should

00:45:17.720 be able to vote and financial rights yes but not do everything men why why should it be the case

00:45:25.400 that women should be able to vote why because we have equal inherent values as human beings says

00:45:33.140 who says me says god right you know that we are also where does god equal as well but let's go

00:45:40.860 equal value no no no we're not going to go back equal rights explain equal rights to me why do

00:45:46.840 all people have the exact same rights are representative of values uh i'll go back to

00:45:52.120 the argument of you know how certain people shouldn't have uh equal voice equal voice

00:45:59.080 because of you know their tax contributions in the u.s so you don't believe all people should vote

00:46:04.360 so you don't believe no so you don't believe all people should vote let me finish uh to get to the

00:46:09.440 point the more recent point we were making uh you said that a women could freely express themselves

00:46:16.280 and you know do all of that are you denying that women were I guess silenced in any way shape or

00:46:26.340 form in recent history let's say the 19 in the 19th century the 20th century that women you know

00:46:33.420 if they tried to be vocal about their beliefs that they were not repressed in any kind of way

00:46:39.220 yes or no uh if you're talking about like stigma like people didn't like it or it was looked down

00:46:44.400 upon so what i'm saying it was not illegal no i'm not talking it was never illegal let rachel

00:46:48.960 finish um okay so okay so uh to that to that point then uh it is clear and documented reality

00:46:58.260 for example that if women even in the 20th century right in the up until the 1960s we are

00:47:05.860 still doing lobotomies on people here in the u.s and lobotomies on women so on just women no not

00:47:12.560 just this is another myth i'm glad you brought this up let me finish talking not just women

00:47:16.660 but a majority of women absolutely yes this was happening in the u.s still in the 1960s

00:47:23.200 so loud opinionated uh women could be easily diagnosed with something like hysteria or anxiety

00:47:31.460 or anything be carted off to an institution and then be recommended different medications like

00:47:38.640 opium tinctures right happy pills for moms that were acting too crazy and that were overwhelmed

00:47:45.760 forms of heroin alcohol nerve tonics right a very popular one before valium which happened in the

00:47:55.400 1960s was barbiturates right from the 1900s to the 1950s so for in recent history you could say

00:48:03.380 that women's voices have been stifled and repressed, and I'm obviously against that.

00:48:11.780 So you can't say that, no, women just had a right to say whatever they want, do whatever they want

00:48:18.540 in recent history, and there was just equality for them. This is documented facts and documented

00:48:25.140 history. Okay, first of all, I don't think anybody should be able to just do whatever they want.

00:48:31.780 that's you the libertarian that's you the libertarian leftist who thinks people should

00:48:36.780 just be able to do whatever they want to clarify two seconds i do believe that uh people should do

00:48:42.600 do what you want as long as you don't hurt others and you don't and you don't take their stuff so

00:48:48.260 yeah so do what thou wilt do what you want do what thou wilt shall be the whole don't take their

00:48:53.480 stuff however myself i personally want to live my life uh as a more in a more traditional

00:48:59.780 conservative role what everybody else does that is not that is the epitome of the left libertarian

00:49:07.800 that is a left libert no not in my opinion that is the definition of left libertarian politics

00:49:15.480 that you just articulated do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody else bro and don't

00:49:20.280 take and taxation is theft man and like i wouldn't choose it but you should be able to do what you

00:49:25.900 want you know what i'm saying without daddy government like breathing down your neck and

00:49:29.420 stuff bro she's like that's what our founding fathers believed you are not a republican that's

00:49:34.180 what our founding fathers believed you're not a republican you're not a conservative and you're

00:49:37.760 most definitely a feminist now it's my turn to finish all your nonsense about uh women getting

00:49:44.100 lobotomies men were given lobotomies all the time too i did a whole project on this but mostly women

00:49:49.980 no on mk ultra disproportionately be quiet it's my turn my turn you're getting a little emotional

00:49:55.520 getting a little emotional not able to control your yapping yeah but uh but people can google

00:50:01.140 stuff for themselves yes they can and and if they get my book they're gonna read all about that too

00:50:06.120 clearly you didn't read the book you could have saved yourself so much time with all these bad

00:50:09.800 arguments if you had taken the time to have them debunked before this but no men were also locked

00:50:16.540 up in uh mental institutions forced to give them lobotomies that was not a gender specific thing

00:50:21.860 whatsoever there there's always no let me clarify let me help you here i'm going to educate you a

00:50:28.280 little bit women have always everywhere in every culture and this is verified right now by two

00:50:34.940 huge studies that looked at all different cultures around the world in 2009 and then they did a

00:50:40.180 follow-up several years later it's called the paradox of women's happiness women everywhere

00:50:45.300 are more prone to mental illness, anxiety, depression, and all types of mental problems.

00:50:51.520 That is not men oppressing us. That happens to be a fact of how women are. And yes,

00:50:58.560 most of it's biology and hormones, but a lot of it is just the fact that female constitutions are

00:51:03.860 much more susceptible to negative effect. This is a well-established fact in clinical psychology

00:51:13.200 as well they wouldn't even deny it yes more men commit suicides but women attempt it more

00:51:18.000 men are just better at actually following through you know it's a that whole men being better at

00:51:22.820 stuff thing again i guess but that so that's a lie what you just told and let's go back to this idea

00:51:27.960 that like do you think that all men everywhere could vote before the 19th do you think that it

00:51:32.660 was all the men could vote and they were like don't let the girls vote you guys we have to keep

00:51:36.640 our property there were property rights uh there were property distinctions so some men that didn't

00:51:42.000 own property could not vote there were there were a lot of requirements there were literacy tests

00:51:46.800 as well yes um so yes there were poll taxes there were religious restrictions there were all kinds

00:51:53.020 of restrictions on men's voting all of them that were deemed what in unconstitutional rachel

00:51:57.840 right and that's why and that's why after what after the progressive era when progressives took

00:52:04.140 control of the government they passed the 19th amendment that was a progressive agenda ma'am

00:52:09.580 They you're not a conservative. I hate to break this to you. You are a liberal progressive.

00:52:15.480 The U.S. Constitution being clarified is not a progressive thing. Right. Making sure throughout

00:52:23.260 the years that it is clarified that all people have the same equal rights, inherent value and

00:52:29.100 voting rights is not a progressive issue. That's what you are choosing to call it. It radically

00:52:34.680 no that's not true it radically transformed the identity of this country i'm choosing to call it

00:52:40.640 steps in the right direction towards individual liberties which conservatives believe in

00:52:45.380 conservatives believe in the rights of the individual if you are against that then you

00:52:50.920 are not conservative i don't use the label conservative you're the one who uses the label

00:52:55.840 conservative not me broadly and i'm telling you you're not conservative and i also have

00:53:00.280 libertarian values too you know you can't really put people in two boxes like that nowadays because

00:53:05.800 not everybody's opinions on every single little topic there's like 200 different things we can

00:53:11.900 discuss is going to fall cleanly into conservative or libertarian so what you want to conserve is

00:53:17.560 obama era policies you want to what are you conserving any i'm asking you one thing you're

00:53:23.060 conserving name one what are you conserving no you just said obama gay marriage obama oh my god

00:53:28.720 uh that again you want to conserve obama era politics you can't give me any conservative

00:53:36.440 position you hold that you want to what are you conserving this is why i don't call myself

00:53:41.180 republican why i don't call another generation that that's what i'm conserving freedom to

00:53:46.100 freedom to marry your boyfriend and smoke weed and not pay taxes okay individual liberties

00:53:52.820 for another generation your freedom of speech Rachel I am very much trying to conserve that

00:53:59.760 because if it wasn't for conservatives then all of your opinions you know if we're not under this

00:54:05.320 administration that we currently are right now if we were under a government like the UK's you'd

00:54:11.200 probably be put in jail as soon as this podcast was over for saying something like I'd be happy

00:54:15.880 that black women wouldn't vote and a bunch of other I didn't say that wait wait wait wait wait

00:54:20.800 We have to back that up because I did not say that.

00:54:23.920 I don't exactly remember the words, but you said it would be beneficial for black women to not vote because they would vote primarily against Republicans.

00:54:35.340 For the purposes of clarity.

00:54:37.520 What was exactly her?

00:54:38.300 You said.

00:54:40.220 What are you asserting?

00:54:42.540 Do you want to play it back, her clip on it?

00:54:44.540 It's difficult for us to find it.

00:54:45.800 I can tell you exactly what happened.

00:54:47.720 She said, oh, if you're going to deny votes based on sex, then you're also going to have to not let black people vote.

00:54:54.780 And I said, that's absurd.

00:54:56.520 You said you would have to.

00:54:57.980 And I said, I absolutely would not say that you would ever have to say black people can't vote.

00:55:04.100 I'm not for that.

00:55:05.160 I'm against that.

00:55:06.340 I do not believe that race should be the defining factor in who gets to vote whatsoever.

00:55:12.140 Gender should be part of it.

00:55:13.700 And I'll tell you why.

00:55:14.880 Women do not have to sign up for the draft.

00:55:16.880 women do not have to defend this country with their bodies in fact the anti-suffragists

00:55:22.600 articulated this and said i disagree we don't want to be involved with politics just let me finish

00:55:28.440 just let me finish disagree the women who didn't want to be political equals with men said why

00:55:34.240 would you task us with something we can't do we can't defend the borders we can't defend the

00:55:41.220 nation. We can't rule the nation. Men have the monopoly on force. That's for men to do. We want

00:55:47.760 men to protect us and our children. Our role is to raise the children. That's too important. We

00:55:54.200 can't be involved in politics for that reason. So it's important for women to raise children,

00:55:58.320 right? It's an important role, right? A role important and equal enough for them to vote

00:56:03.120 on the future of this country and the rules that they live by, right? Or do you think it's not

00:56:09.220 important enough of a role for them to vote it the problem with that is it comes down to force

00:56:14.760 so you can have an opinion and women did so you don't need voting rights in order to have your

00:56:21.300 voice be heard a good example of this is uh prohibition women the women's temperance union

00:56:27.460 got prohibition passed bad idea by the way but somebody listened to the women so we got prohibition

00:56:32.880 passed because this was a pet project of the women's christian temperance union they did not

00:56:38.900 need to vote to get their voices heard they did not need to vote to have their agenda passed

00:56:43.520 so you don't need voting rights to be heard so why does it matter then that they do have it

00:56:49.660 because what happens this is what the anti-suffragists also predicted they were very smart

00:56:53.860 women these women were not hateful and they were not stupid and they've been done dirty by history

00:56:58.620 which is why i'm here trying to help revive this anti-suffrage women said if we become a political

00:57:06.840 block, we lose the moral high ground. What will happen is politicians will pander to us. They will

00:57:12.280 make us just another voting block. They will promise a whole bunch of things that sound really

00:57:16.840 good and do what they want anyway. And by that, yes, they do, which is why I'm against it. It's

00:57:22.440 why I don't like the system. No, for men and for women. Yeah, that's why I don't like democracy.

00:57:27.360 It's why I don't like the system. But that aside, these women said, if we become just another

00:57:33.600 political voting block, we lose the moral high ground we have. Before women could vote, they

00:57:38.660 could stand up and say, we think you need to do something about clean water. We think you need to

00:57:43.820 do something about safety in public parks. We want better schools. We want more prohibitions on

00:57:49.960 alcohol. Whatever it was, their agenda was heard and got passed without them having to vote.

00:57:55.880 Unless it was something completely too radical, right? And in that case, then they'd be sent to

00:58:02.080 an institution for crazy people and lobotomized. They did that to men too. They did that to radical

00:58:06.700 men too. It was not a gendered thing. Basically individuals, right? People that have a way of

00:58:13.180 thinking that was more individualist. Those are the ones that usually get shut down and have their

00:58:19.320 rights trampled upon in history, which is again, why it is so necessary for the individual to have

00:58:25.700 equal voting rights and an equal voice within the political system that they have to live under.

00:58:31.440 If we were anywhere else, you know, outside of this podcast and debate right now, we'd have to stop talking right now because, you know, there's no point in trying to convince somebody that, you know, an individual has human rights, equal rights, and we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that and make it clear to the public on where we stand on your stance being anti women's rights, anti voting rights, anti equality.

00:58:59.620 And my whole point here is to just make it clear that that is the case and that that is not representative of the conservative movement of a whole and that it is counter, counteractive, counterintuitive and a negative thing for us because it's just turning more young women to the left seeing these kinds of positions.

00:59:22.420 You don't think the fact that we have to pander to the emotions of young women, what you just told me is, Rachel, don't say that out loud.

00:59:28.980 Because we have to pander to the feelings of young women because they have a lot of voting power.

00:59:34.200 They have a lot of political power.

00:59:35.920 And so we have to tell them what they want to hear.

00:59:37.920 And we have to give them what they want.

00:59:39.860 The truth.

00:59:40.520 We have to tell them what they want to hear.

00:59:43.260 We have to give them what they want.

00:59:45.020 Because if we don't, they won't vote for us anymore, Rachel.

00:59:48.280 Don't you think that's a problem?

00:59:49.400 You don't care about voting.

00:59:50.300 I'm saying that you're thinking about it wrong, and most people do. The whole framing of how you're framing the argument is the problem. The system is the problem. We shouldn't have to appeal to the emotions of certain voting blocks, which is what Black Lives Matter is, which is what the feminist agenda is, which is what identity politics is.

01:00:11.720 When you give everybody one person, one vote, you end up with all these special interest groups.

01:00:16.800 You end up with all these little voting blocks and politicians have to pander to them.

01:00:21.060 And so you get these radicalized movements fighting for this group's rights and that group's rights.

01:00:26.020 And I'm saying, I do think that that's the, we've ended up in a place where with your universal democracy, where everybody gets a vote, we're going to end up in nonstop, like basic gang wars, political gang wars.

01:00:38.580 All I'm hearing is that you're really bad at making an argument for what you believe in and would rather just shut down the entire political discourse and keep people from having an opinion.

01:00:48.940 My argument is that I think that what I believe in is good and that I can present my opinions to people that disagree with them and flip them over to my side because my opinions are based on realities and facts.

01:01:03.400 And again, if you're trying to argue that it's bad for women to vote because a majority of women vote Democrat, right, in the past, and we're trying to get women, we're trying to live under conservative policies, then again, you'd have to say that you'd be okay with people that disagree with you not having political rights, voting rights.

01:01:27.820 namely black americans that 80 to 90 percent vote democrat in political presidential elections and

01:01:35.080 i'm saying that i would be against that i feel like even though it is most definitely an uphill

01:01:41.080 battle uh my task is to make sure that i talk to those groups and show them why our side is better

01:01:51.100 right not just to completely shut them down it's work rachel it absolutely is work it is framing

01:01:56.840 it is being a convincing person it is having to provide that's what i brought here you know

01:02:02.180 proof and you know different uh different studies yes and things from your color organized folders

01:02:09.500 are very impressive i'm sure you got straight days in school but can we get back to the debate

01:02:13.080 because you just talk and talk and talk so are you going to tell the young women that you want

01:02:17.640 to vote republican in the next election are you going to go to the college campuses and tell those

01:02:22.000 young women look i don't like pornography it's really destructive we have to make only fans

01:02:26.880 illegal we can't have it anymore i think that we need to discourage people from using it oh but

01:02:32.560 you don't want to actually outlaw it uh it'd be good if it did not exist but again i think that

01:02:39.780 we're attacking the problem from the wrong end i see so you want to tell the men that the watching

01:02:45.920 it is bad but the young ladies producing it we can't tell the young ladies producing it that

01:02:50.540 They can't make pornography anymore because then they'll get upset and they won't vote

01:02:54.760 for Republicans in the next election.

01:02:56.400 So we have to say, ladies, look, I'm going to appeal to your better, your better sensibilities.

01:03:01.300 And we'll see how this goes on the Dating Talk podcast.

01:03:03.540 If we have some OnlyFans girls, I can't wait, I can't wait to hear you convince them.

01:03:08.340 And I hope that by the end they quit.

01:03:09.860 I do.

01:03:10.220 I hope that by the end you can convince them and they can quit.

01:03:12.700 I think the odds of that happening are basically zero.

01:03:15.780 Are you willing to outlaw pornography?

01:03:18.020 And you're a Christian, right?

01:03:19.040 You're a Christian yourself.

01:03:20.060 wasn't the whole point of you know jesus talking to people that sinned to bring them to their side

01:03:26.680 by engaging with them and talking to them do you think that jesus wanted only fans to be legal of

01:03:32.680 course not but i of course not so i think he'd i think he'd talk to uh the women that are engaged

01:03:38.940 in that whole you know thing because unfortunately are you gonna go to the college campuses and tell

01:03:43.900 these young girls to stop doing only fans or no prostitution you know it's called the oldest

01:03:49.400 career for women in the books. Um, and again, it does not make it a good thing, but I think the

01:03:56.480 problem comes from the demand side of things. Women also have lots of temptations that could

01:04:02.520 corrupt them, right? But it's up to us being accountable for ourselves, holding ourselves

01:04:07.940 accountable for if we decide to consume certain things. That's working out great. That's working

01:04:13.640 out great are you aware of the numbers of how many young women how many women engage in that

01:04:19.480 versus how many men consume that yes i actually am very aware of the numbers oh by the way women

01:04:24.400 consume plenty of pornography yes this idea that it's only men is baloney i agree i never said that

01:04:29.860 about 20 percent average women do consume pornography uh it's about 70 percent of men

01:04:36.960 that do consume what happens if we count written pornography what happens if we count stuff like

01:04:41.520 50 shades of gray then how many women engage in i don't know in consuming pornography oh well let

01:04:47.540 me help you it's the best-selling book of all time among female readers okay so women consume

01:04:52.900 plenty of pornography so they just tend to like to read it so they can insert themselves into the

01:04:58.220 nasty sex scene which then watch the actual videos which is bad yeah right so shouldn't we be

01:05:04.120 addressing again the so are you going to tell people they should stop writing books is that

01:05:08.600 your next move rachel i would absolutely have limits on pornography being produced in all forms

01:05:14.600 yes on written speech i don't agree that see she's a leftist libertarian she thinks that porn is free

01:05:22.180 speech this is your maga republican woman i think this is your feminist you're not feminist

01:05:27.680 conservative advocate you know she's gonna get everybody to vote for conservatives she's gonna

01:05:33.640 to talk. It always reduces to the men. It always, no, you're just, you're exactly what I thought

01:05:40.440 you were. You're worse than I thought you were. It's always, what about the men though? I go,

01:05:44.820 are you going to tell them? Are you going to tell the women to stop? Wait a minute. Are you going

01:05:48.200 to tell the women to stop making porn for men to consume? And she goes, no, I would just encourage

01:05:53.800 them. I would say you probably shouldn't, sweetie. And I'm going to tell the men that they can't have

01:05:58.420 the porn relax rachel breathe who's so i'm i'm i'm entertaining if we had to listen to you blah blah

01:06:04.140 yap yap yap all night long and everybody would leave the chat nobody would want to be here so

01:06:08.800 sure that is not what i said you asked if i'd make it illegal yeah um and no but i would tell women

01:06:14.540 to stop doing it that is those are two completely different oh well that's okay she's gonna tell

01:06:19.640 the women to stop doing it and they're gonna go okay show them that there's a better way yes

01:06:23.920 absolutely well that that is what you gotta work harder and you gotta work harder because it ain't

01:06:29.040 working it ain't working this libertarian idea that we can just talk people into doing what's

01:06:34.440 logical this is the whole problem libertarian idea that we could talk people into doing what

01:06:39.220 we want that's not a libertarian idea that has existed from the beginning of your idea

01:06:43.140 this is a thing from let me finish let you yeah exactly from the beginning of time in in rome

01:06:47.960 where people would like gather in a time town square and then talk about their ideas and then

01:06:52.300 decide on whether they agreed with them or not so you're arguing again against people discussing

01:06:57.080 ideas and proving why they're better than others which is bad enough i'm not arguing against it

01:07:02.200 but i'm doing it right now but i'm saying i do think let's go back to i do think that we should

01:07:08.280 make certain things illegal yes i don't think it should just be do whatever you want bro how did

01:07:12.880 the how did the uh war on drugs work out how has it worked out this are you going to tell the young

01:07:18.380 women on the college campuses that you're trying to get to vote republican that they can't have

01:07:21.860 abortions i'm gonna tell them that's killing babies and you can't do that anymore i'll explain

01:07:27.260 are you just gonna try to talk them out of it you just you just presented a question to me uh

01:07:31.460 actually how i would attack that question is showing why abortion is the killing of a human

01:07:37.480 being based on biology not on religious arguments or anything like that the beginning of a human

01:07:42.360 life starts at conception right and ends at death conception you know uh fetus baby toddler all of

01:07:51.600 That is part of the human developmental life cycle.

01:07:55.720 And so if you believe in individual rights, then, and, you know, not killing innocent

01:08:01.060 people, then you have to argue against abortion.

01:08:04.300 That is my argument.

01:08:05.600 It is a logical one.

01:08:06.960 And it is one that made me, you know, like when I was much younger, I had different opinions

01:08:13.620 on abortion because of what I was taught in school.

01:08:15.760 I was taught, uh, that, um, it's okay if like the baby doesn't have nerve endings and then you could

01:08:22.740 just suck it out and whatever. And I'm like, Oh, well then maybe in a few weeks, then it doesn't

01:08:26.720 really matter. But that's actually not the case. It's from conception. That's the beginning of

01:08:31.820 the human life cycle. But again, this is just education, right? Educating people, which you

01:08:38.220 have to do. You can't just tell people no voting. Yeah, I know. We're going to, we're going to

01:08:42.340 educate all the problems away. We're just going to change everyone's mind. We're going to educate

01:08:46.400 the problems away, Rachel. That's the plan. Yeah, that's worked great. We have more educated,

01:08:52.420 people are more educated now in human history than ever before. It's not an information problem

01:08:56.900 and it's not an education problem. It's a moral problem. And that's where the rub is. Didn't you

01:09:01.820 bring up the, was it the Stanford prison study? Oh, I did. Yeah. Where you said they had to stop

01:09:09.240 the experiment six weeks in or something like that are you handing it over to me yeah tell us

01:09:15.640 about that let's talk about that because it actually is a really it's a really good one

01:09:19.140 where basically they took in volunteers students to play as prison guards and another group of

01:09:27.340 volunteers to be prisoners and what happened after a certain short period of time is that these

01:09:35.060 prison guards started to abuse these fake prisoners so badly that they had to stop the

01:09:40.880 experiment and my argument using that uh that example was that when individuals have undue

01:09:49.900 power over others then it is just making it prone to abuse right so if men and women don't have

01:09:59.180 equal voting rights and power then women are equally subject they're going to be subject to

01:10:06.100 abuse and discrimination that's that's the point of the studies that it is in our nature

01:10:12.720 unfortunately as humans to uh take over and abuse those that have less power than us which is why

01:10:20.740 we need then let me ask you a question why didn't they just pull these people aside the people that

01:10:25.300 were being the prison guard, why didn't they get Driana to come in? Driana was not allowed to come.

01:10:30.320 Well, let's say Driana, they call Driana and they go, you need to come in here. And what we need

01:10:35.540 you to do is talk to them and convince them why it's bad to abuse these people. You need to educate

01:10:40.860 them, Driana, until they behave. Yeah. I would have gone in there and told them, hey, you guys,

01:10:45.300 are y'all crazy? Are you guys okay? Do you know that this is an experiment? Can you go to the

01:10:49.140 prisons for us? Can we get Driana to go to prisons and just talk to the criminals until the criminals

01:10:54.720 understand hey you listen are you okay rachel relax by the way listen buddy by the way they

01:11:00.520 do that in real prisons right how's that working you've got pastors that go to real what is the

01:11:06.960 success rate on educating criminals out of doing crime and they bring them books yeah what's the

01:11:13.300 success rate and they bring them bibles i know what they do how well does it work i don't have

01:11:18.280 statistical numbers in front of me you want to pull that up right almost never um the recidivism

01:11:23.340 rate for most crimes don't bring up statistics don't bring up statistics because then i'll be

01:11:29.180 wrong unless you don't have it with you basically we can look it up so we're yes let's chat gtt

01:11:34.700 like uh recidivism rate for violent crimes that has nothing to do with somebody going in and

01:11:41.200 talking to people to try to but why would they keep offending if we can just talk them out of

01:11:46.860 it we just say listen mr murderer everybody's you just you just need to be educated this is

01:11:52.080 another classic left-wing this is black lives matters whole thing yes this is if you go to

01:11:57.540 black lives matters website they want rehabilitation they want to educate people out of doing crime

01:12:03.560 it's a left-wing position oh no no we're just gonna convince them we're just gonna convince

01:12:08.880 people to do what's right for them we're gonna convince people to do take the smarter option

01:12:13.360 take a breath yeah you're doing the thing that everybody does where they pretend that the other

01:12:19.280 person is crashing out when they're not it's not going to work you're getting your butt whooped

01:12:23.380 yeah let's see if any uh programs in prison from pastors or that reintegrate people into society

01:12:35.220 get them uh educational degrees because that's something that it has to be a lot more concise

01:12:40.460 than that it would have to be like i know i do have yeah uh let's see if we can make it as concise

01:12:48.120 as possible what are the success rates of um rehabilitation programs in prison my argument

01:12:55.460 they're my argument they're well known to be extremely abysmal that's why we don't work i

01:13:01.900 agree my my thing you can't educate people into making moral choices diana for what specific

01:13:08.020 crime is it just violent crime drug drugs pick pick one for now i guess okay how about this

01:13:15.680 child child sex offenders can we educate them into making better choices can drianna go and

01:13:21.920 just sit them down and they have a dialogue and she says look mr child sex offender that i don't

01:13:28.840 think that you're violating someone else's personal rights and on that basis i think you

01:13:33.840 should stop it Rachel do you do you still want wait one sec really quick do you still want the

01:13:38.580 recidivism rate for violent crime it says over 60 percent of violent offenders are re-arrested for

01:13:46.200 new crime within eight years of release and then for yours for addiction rehabilitation programs

01:13:56.340 it's not clear if that's just voluntary or through the prison system but the success rate ranges

01:14:03.080 between 30 percent and 70 percent relapse rates of 40 to 60 percent within the first year

01:14:08.760 so i don't know so yeah so so my argument is not that we not incarcerate people for these crimes

01:14:17.000 it's the fact that people can change and rehabilitate it doesn't mean we even release

01:14:22.340 them into society it means that you can change people's minds absolutely while they're serving

01:14:28.360 a prison sentence it doesn't mean that they have a right to be reintegrated into society

01:14:33.360 so that's my thing is that right even even in prison so why go in even in prison you can go in

01:14:39.740 and you can preach the bible to prisoners or you can show them a better way and you can

01:14:46.420 absolutely rehabilitate them i'm not arguing for lax criminal punishment laws i disagree with that

01:14:53.180 But you're telling me, oh, you know, you can just go into prison.

01:14:56.220 You don't want lax criminal laws.

01:14:58.140 Correct.

01:14:58.320 But why, then why would you defend keeping OnlyFans legal?

01:15:02.480 Why should we allow young women to create their own pornography, produce it, and put it out into the public?

01:15:09.860 Why?

01:15:10.580 I disagree that it's bad, but the why is because then it sets a dangerous precedent for censorship in the future on things that other people don't like.

01:15:20.980 because let's say then we fall under the government let me finish let's say we fall

01:15:26.340 under the government of a you know we have a democrat president and they believe that

01:15:31.480 people saying right-wing things on live shows like this is bad so we are going to ban that

01:15:41.000 and they did by the way under the biden administration um so that is that's what i'm

01:15:46.680 saying banning things that we don't like and making it illegal is not the way to go the way

01:15:52.120 to go is showing people why you're right with arguments with facts with logic uh and we can't

01:15:59.820 set the president that you know we as conservatives and republicans don't like pornography it's bad

01:16:04.580 therefore we're going to make it illegal then when a democrat president comes along they'll say

01:16:08.760 republicans i get your point you don't have to keep repeating and i feel like i feel like i need

01:16:14.480 to for you to know it's not me so you got it and everybody at home got it that it's a bad president

01:16:20.060 do you understand if you take the libertarian progressive view that you have sure but what i

01:16:25.320 would say is we believe in right and wrong don't we yep okay why don't we make things illegal if

01:16:32.460 they are inherently more morally evil you think you said in your opening pornography is evil

01:16:38.400 why would we not criminalize that for the same why why do we criminalize murder why because then

01:16:44.580 because then somebody that has a different definition of evil than me can criminalize

01:16:50.420 something that i believe in like for example so you uh saying that abortion is murder then you

01:16:57.600 know we should and by the way this is actually happening in the uk if i go out in the uk and i

01:17:03.540 say abortion is murder and i read the bible i'm in the middle of the street i'm gonna get arrested

01:17:09.520 that's that's because leftists like you run the uk people with your same political positions run

01:17:16.220 the uk and they go you're arguing you can't say that you're gonna hurt someone's feelings and

01:17:21.520 they'll be upset and then they won't vote for the labor party anymore we need the muslim vote don't

01:17:26.020 tell them they can't have grooming gangs i'm making that's you i'm making the argument that

01:17:30.100 you don't ban what you don't like Rachel I'm not banning something because I don't like it it's

01:17:34.940 not that you think I want to ban pornography because I don't like it or because it's morally

01:17:39.160 wrong okay that's what I believe too I think it's morally wrong then why wouldn't you make it illegal

01:17:44.800 because somebody else might think that's something I believe in like so you believe in moral

01:17:50.020 relativism so everybody gets to have their own version of right and wrong like second amendment

01:17:54.880 rights uh the right to own you know guns or whatever that's morally wrong because it kills

01:18:01.160 people and then when they're in power they will ban things that they believe are morally wrong

01:18:07.960 so that's why you can't set that precedent it's almost like this whole everybody voting thing is

01:18:13.420 just a trap and we're going to end up in a bad position no matter what we do because it's

01:18:17.440 inherently progressive and it will give us a progressive society where we can't tell people

01:18:22.880 the truth and we can't say what's right and wrong because if we offend someone they won't vote for

01:18:27.080 us and if we offend this group they're going to start rioting do you are you starting to figure

01:18:30.800 it out not offend uh again just because you can't make good arguments that convince people i'm not

01:18:37.200 the one who's having trouble making good arguments that would be you no uh you're saying that we

01:18:42.200 should not allow certain blocks of the population to vote because they would in down the line vote

01:18:50.500 against what you want and that is obviously not the way to do things the way to do things is by

01:18:55.800 actually talking you're actually you're not framing that correctly either though I'm not

01:18:59.980 saying oh don't let this group don't let this group vote because then I won't get what I want

01:19:04.720 I asked what I believe exactly what you're saying let me finish you just yap and yap and yap so let

01:19:10.360 me finish first you said at the beginning you work in politics your job is to go around the country

01:19:17.580 convincing especially spanish-speaking people to vote for republicans you want them to vote for

01:19:24.740 certain things i educate yes personally yes but in my current role yes i educate uh people on

01:19:32.460 what are the political policies going on who's promoting them what they are so that they can

01:19:37.880 make educated decisions because right i'm trying to do the same thing in a different way and what

01:19:44.120 I'm trying to tell you is that the fastest way to get to the utopian dystopian nightmare that is the

01:19:50.640 United Kingdom is to do what you're saying we should do and you are also showing everybody

01:19:57.260 that you're a moral relativist no I think that the quickest way to get to where the UK is is by

01:20:03.420 banning free speech which is what you just advocated for and how did they get there and

01:20:08.020 banning things that you don't how did they get there though because the UK hadn't always had

01:20:12.700 laws against free speech. They got that way because of mass immigration, equality, liberalism,

01:20:20.660 all that stuff. Right. And that is what you'll end up with. That's what you'll end up with

01:20:25.560 every time because you can't just talk people into doing what's right. People vote based on

01:20:31.280 incentive. No, people vote based on personal incentive. I agree with that too. Yes. So if

01:20:36.380 there's a group that comes into the country and they're getting welfare benefits, if there's

01:20:40.820 single moms out there that get welfare benefits which is highly illegal they're always going to

01:20:44.960 be voting for that yeah but the reason we got that stuff is because women voted for it those

01:20:50.720 things would have never been passed i don't think that i don't think that having an open border

01:20:55.060 policy for four years like what happened under the previous administration is something that

01:21:00.060 women voted for it is it's something that have you looked at the polling data women on men versus

01:21:05.680 women on open borders did women vote for the mexican-american border to be completely open

01:21:11.340 so that they voted for all of the people who instituted those policies yes yes no they did

01:21:16.660 not yes they did well first have you looked at border states you just keep talking about

01:21:20.060 presidential that's not that's not something anybody has would either of you like me to look

01:21:23.720 up any stats on this on the who's are men or women more in favor of illegal immigration of open

01:21:31.100 board or immigration whatever i think a better one would be uh the percentage of americans that

01:21:36.560 are for voter id right it's 83 percent nationally so men and women democrat and republican for the

01:21:43.780 most part agree on this uh so women are not just these irrational everything women want is terrible

01:21:50.040 and horrible i'm just the things you don't like it's not about me and what i like i'm saying

01:21:55.680 there's an objective right and wrong and there's objective morality i agree you're the one who

01:22:00.000 thinks that we should be I agree pandering to people's emotions uh yes actually you know what

01:22:05.460 that's a great that's a great lesson to learn is that people don't care about uh what you say

01:22:11.280 until they know that you care about something right so women for sure yes men are much more

01:22:17.800 open to logical it's not it's not 100 but that's why women are far more easily swayed and

01:22:23.480 propagandized by emotion but that means that then I don't want a country runoff of that system I

01:22:29.080 don't want that you have to rachel it's called adapting right and adapting to the situation

01:22:34.040 uh as somebody that has worked with many different people before managed teams of people

01:22:40.560 i know that uh if i have a group of 10 that they're going to have different personalities i have this

01:22:45.880 message that i need to get to them and i need to deliver it in 10 different ways so that it comes

01:22:51.720 across a certain way this is emotional intelligence rachel oh yes emotional intelligence which is

01:22:57.980 made up nonsense which we can emotional intelligence is nonsense and get better garbage

01:23:04.200 garbage pop psychology okay do you believe in horoscopes too emotional intelligence yeah she

01:23:10.620 believes in horoscopes too we're not gonna get into a horse we're not gonna get into horoscopes

01:23:14.740 we're gonna we're gonna i'm not she does i'm not even i'm not even gonna answer that or entertain

01:23:19.800 it let's stick to the topic really quick while we do a uh let's let a few chats come through and

01:23:24.980 then we can also dive into a different prompt uh but first uh we have jim bob smith thank you for

01:23:33.720 your soup chat does the blonde on the right think maga and trump is conservative she is a conservative

01:23:40.320 in the same liberal way trump is do you want to respond to that um no no they can write anything

01:23:47.640 they want i usually don't respond to people well i mean it's a valid point though trump is a 90s

01:23:53.500 democrat and he's a classical liberal and so are you uh i think that there's things that i agree

01:23:59.260 with trump on most things not all things i'm not a blind follower of any politician period

01:24:04.540 all right we have a chat here from hold on brian's conscious

01:24:12.660 she i should have listened to the unknown soldier when he said to never have this low

01:24:18.860 IQ, and it went back on the show. Good thing another Wilson is here, so this episode is

01:24:23.700 actually making money. Okay, thank you for that. We have a chat here from Desert Jorge.

01:24:31.600 He writes, Rachel, here are the facts. Adriana, did I say it right? Yep. Adriana. Adriana.

01:24:40.060 Well, that's just like your opinion. I feel that you just hate yourself, and I feel like I know

01:24:45.000 what is right and what is wrong shout out to the discord homies thank you desert jorge you know i

01:24:50.340 haven't even said that yet that you know you hate yourself i mean i was planning on using that bomb

01:24:54.700 at some point um but you know you got me i hate myself and we have one more here whatever fan

01:25:02.620 rachel i'm passing out the plates for this barbecue cooking you're gonna do and feed the

01:25:07.900 whole chat from whatever fan thank you for that well she believes her role is in the kitchen so

01:25:13.780 I think that's appropriate.

01:25:15.060 In fact, the kitchen is the best room in the house.

01:25:17.400 Can't wait to get back there.

01:25:18.440 I even got a hotel room with a kitchenette in it.

01:25:20.940 Nice.

01:25:21.460 Because I wanted to cook my own food.

01:25:22.900 Nice.

01:25:23.540 The kitchen is awesome.

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01:25:45.940 every single month and so that we can put on more debates just like this and if you're enjoying the

01:25:52.620 stream of course like the video uh right back to the debate let me propose a few unless there's

01:25:58.680 something that you guys get back on like i have no fault divorce i have a few ideas here we got

01:26:03.700 to do no fault divorce at some point here yeah and women's contributions uh to the home and their

01:26:09.460 market value would be a good one to talk about you also in a social media post you had referred

01:26:15.540 to rachel as a pick me i don't know if you guys want to dive into dive into that yeah the what

01:26:24.580 what is a pick me a pick me is somebody that panders to uh manosphere men's uh audiences

01:26:33.180 for just the sake of relevancy um you know and saying yeah women belong in the kitchen

01:26:40.580 you know barefoot and naked uh all the different uh tropes i would never say to be barefoot and

01:26:47.020 naked in the kitchen um and pregnant in the kitchen um you know those kinds of those kinds

01:26:53.100 of tropes um everything that a certain demographic of people uh want to hear just for relevancy not

01:27:01.460 because it's something you believe you practice or that is correct okay so you don't think that

01:27:08.580 i believe or practice the stuff i'm saying uh for the most part yeah i mean you're very against

01:27:15.080 women having a voice in politics yet we're debating here uh for what it's been two hours

01:27:20.980 or something like that i'm against women i'm against women voting i am continuing the proud

01:27:26.280 tradition of my of my anti-suffrage but rachel you voted before in the past yes i'll explain

01:27:32.560 okay let's explain that yes so first of all i'm here to and you'll never vote again shush your

01:27:37.820 mouth you'll never five seconds you little yappy machine i'm getting to it it's my turn to talk

01:27:42.520 go go for it i'm here to carry on the proud tradition of the majority of women who are

01:27:49.440 against women's suffrage and did not want to be a political voting bloc and were very happy with

01:27:54.240 their duties as mothers and wives and community builders and thought that was extremely important.

01:27:59.620 I agree with them wholeheartedly and all their reasons why they didn't want the vote. Now, yes,

01:28:04.560 I did vote. And yes, I will vote again. And I'll tell you why. To cancel the vote of a feminist

01:28:10.780 somewhere and to double my husband's vote. However you want to look at it. Whoever Andrew votes for,

01:28:18.200 that's who I vote for. And that's how I'm going to cancel out some feminist somewhere's vote.

01:28:23.100 You're against voting. You voted in the past. We'll vote in the future. If that's not hypocrisy,

01:28:28.800 I don't know what it is. Okay. Let me ask you a question. If I think people watching,

01:28:33.300 you just said I'm a hypocrite. Let me address it. You are. Uh, if I had had an abortion when I was

01:28:39.020 in college, let's say, like you said, when you were in college and you get told that it's really

01:28:42.960 not bad, it's not even a life, whatever. I get pregnant. I have an abortion in college. And then

01:28:48.260 later I learn wait that is actually murdering a human being I'm against that and it's wrong and

01:28:53.560 I go out and I tell people don't get an abortion it's wrong am I a hypocrite no because you

01:28:58.880 actually changed your behavior uh-huh based on new information well it's not a behavior you can

01:29:04.580 change you can change your ideas what you espouse and your behavior based on new information so if

01:29:10.340 I vote you'd be a hypocrite if I vote to cancel a feminist vote that's hypocritical hypocrite

01:29:15.660 rachel is if you found out this information personally were against abortion now that you

01:29:20.460 know this that it's bad and murder and then still went out and told women abortion is okay and it's

01:29:26.220 not murder then that is hypocrisy in your case what we were talking about previously yeah was

01:29:31.000 voting right so you don't believe women should have the right to vote but i live in reality

01:29:35.500 we don't want to deny reality you keep telling andrew he was denying reality we live in this

01:29:41.780 time and place we live in okay so i have to be here talking to women like you that i have to be

01:29:47.780 here talking to women like you to talk some sense into you to persuade everybody out there that

01:29:51.960 you're wrong and i have to go and vote because otherwise only the feminists are gonna vote you

01:29:57.340 don't have to do anything oh i do i do it's my duty forcing you it's my duty oh it's your duty

01:30:03.080 yes uh speaking of which do you think women have duties uh women have uh duties do you think well

01:30:09.600 women have rights you've spent the whole time talking about what rights women have do women

01:30:13.040 have duties i think adults have duties yes well what what duties do you think women have well

01:30:18.460 you would say men have a duty to protect the homeland right do you believe women have oh i'm

01:30:23.660 not going to give you any answers i want to know what you think i know what i think i think that

01:30:28.300 adults have duties and responsibilities as adults are they the same and in a uh are men's and women's

01:30:34.140 duties the same family uh context then those differ right yeah or they may be similar depending

01:30:41.580 on the structure that they have set up so for example uh in the past when people could afford

01:30:48.180 to live on one income and the man could afford to have a stay-at-home wife then obviously the

01:30:53.740 roles of men and women differed to make it a working partnership right nowadays unfortunately

01:30:58.940 and this is not uh any of our faults other than the government and elite politicians and all that

01:31:05.440 uh most men and women do have to work within the family structure so then obviously their duties

01:31:13.520 and their roles and responsibilities within the households have changed they have to adapt so

01:31:18.620 that things can make such a long answer you could have given me like a five-word answer it would

01:31:23.080 have been way better no because you like to hear yourself talk free speech so you like to hear me

01:31:27.700 off too or else no i really don't do men have a duty to protect our nation um i think that well

01:31:36.600 hold on let me unpack that whose duty whose duty is it to protect our nation how from enemies

01:31:43.040 foreign and domestic um yes foreign and foreign and domestic so it depends right so men can be

01:31:51.300 police officers so can women uh that would be protecting against domestic enemies right police

01:31:57.780 officers fbi agents tsa agents yeah i know i know what they are but do you think both men and women

01:32:04.780 should equally do those jobs or is that men's duty so your question is very broad because both men

01:32:10.820 and women i'll make it very concise do protect this country domestically and uh abroad when it

01:32:17.760 comes to force ultimately when it comes to force there's a bunch of illegals trying to cross the

01:32:23.200 border somebody has to use physical force to stop them whose duty is that men or women or both it

01:32:30.360 used to be it used to be that they'd sent a lot of male foot soldiers right in for these kinds of

01:32:36.440 things nowadays we use more technology right for those kinds of interventions always people on the

01:32:43.200 border though. We have border enforcement agents down there with guns. Are you for equality in

01:32:48.840 that job? Do you think we should have equal women and men defending the border? I think that there

01:32:53.860 should be a standard of, uh, can you meet these job requirements? Can you lift certain heavy

01:33:00.060 things? If not, then you do not get that position because it puts us at, you know, yeah, that's

01:33:05.220 fair. Would you say the same thing in the military? Like you can only be a green beret if you can pass

01:33:09.500 the standard. And if you're a woman and you pass the standard, that's fine. Yeah. Okay. Are you

01:33:14.180 aware that there's never been a woman who has been able to make it through special forces training

01:33:18.500 like green berets? Okay. Then they shouldn't be in that position. Okay. So if only men can do those

01:33:24.060 things. That green beret position, but I just mentioned that there are plenty of other positions

01:33:28.780 that do defend our country. Okay. What percentage of women do you think are on the front lines in

01:33:36.440 war or defending the border yeah very minimal i'm not what about making the argument that what about

01:33:42.460 critical infrastructure jobs like pouring cement uh getting down in the sewer system and treating

01:33:47.860 the sewer what about oil rig work the really heavy duty shit that keeps society running

01:33:53.160 how come yeah how come only like two percent of those people are women and even in those fields

01:33:59.040 they're really usually just like holding a sign rachel i'm not devaluing devaluing in any way

01:34:05.800 men's contributions to society okay I think that's super important and we should value them because

01:34:11.820 of that that's part of my whole argument that right women should respect men and thank men for

01:34:16.960 their sacrifices to society as a whole I agree but then why should we give women equal rights

01:34:23.020 let me tell you when men are the only ones that can do those critical things sure sure okay now

01:34:28.580 that you asked me why should um women also have contributed to society and so many different

01:34:35.560 important ways besides a very important role of historically being the primary caretakers of

01:34:42.260 children and being a homemaker and raising a home which is the pillar of a strong society

01:34:47.600 let's talk about that right you know we've got women inventors that have contributed to things

01:34:53.600 like you know dishwasher just things that we use every single day to make are you aware of the

01:34:58.200 number of female patents versus male patent holders yes okay um josephine cochrane dishwasher let's

01:35:05.160 see um we've got uh florence pay part you know she improved early refrigeration systems so because

01:35:12.960 of this woman we can not have food that goes uh that gets anything if we look these up it's gonna

01:35:19.160 be a guy who actually did the work but okay i'll just grant it let me finish this because we're

01:35:24.300 talking about contributions to society obviously i can't memorize all these i don't have uh that

01:35:29.500 kind of a memory but you know there is a woman who created the refrigerator kevlar body armor

01:35:35.140 material stephanie kwalik used in bulletproof vests that are brave brave men use in battle

01:35:41.540 helmets aircraft components a woman created the first computer algorithm ada lovelace she wrote

01:35:48.160 the first algorithm for a machine it's considered the first computer programmer and without this

01:35:53.840 there is no modern software this is all very impressive but beside the point industry no it's

01:35:59.380 not it is totally i'm talking about i'm talking about contributions to society no you're talking

01:36:05.920 about that my question to you was about let me finish grace hopper which created the cobalt

01:36:12.220 programming language with which banking systems run which government infrastructures use so our

01:36:19.200 financial system literally depends on this um we've got frequency hopping technology uh hedy

01:36:26.560 lamar which is the foundation of wi-fi did you know that that's false i can't believe she did

01:36:31.120 the hedy lamar thing that was a man who did that no she did not invent that no that's you can fact

01:36:37.580 check she's a co-founder with a man frequency hopping technology hedy lamar there you go you

01:36:42.260 can look it up yeah if you actually look it up it's well known that this is a fake feminist

01:36:47.860 your original argument is you know if this is what men contribute to society this is why they

01:36:53.420 that's not what i said i'm presenting i didn't say what people contribute i asked you about force

01:36:58.440 and you dodged and obfuscated and stonewalled to evade my question only men force is the reason

01:37:05.840 why people should know listen to the question sweet cheeks and then you can give me an answer

01:37:10.280 yeah if you're very yeah you're very pretty congratulations but this is a debate not a

01:37:16.180 beauty pageant so you got to try to focus so men are the only ones who can men are the only ones

01:37:23.700 who can do the hard forceful jobs that provide us with security and all of this technological

01:37:32.020 infrastructure that allows you to pretend that we are equal with men we are not equal with men

01:37:38.600 that doesn't it doesn't mean that we don't equal in value i agree but that relates to duties

01:37:45.240 equal in value relates to our duties to society men's duties to society are things like building

01:37:51.040 and maintaining infrastructure providing safety and security keeping out enemies who are going

01:37:56.160 to come in and you know like especially pre-industrial revolution oh you're not going

01:38:00.720 to cut me off after all that come on prior to industry and technology men literally had to

01:38:07.480 keep the barbarian hordes away from the gates okay like so this has to keep women safe how

01:38:12.420 Because people think that we've escaped this natural fundamental thing and we haven't.

01:38:18.600 It still requires force at the end of the day.

01:38:20.580 You still need men out there.

01:38:22.740 Look at Iran.

01:38:23.540 Look at Ukraine.

01:38:24.680 Look at the borders.

01:38:25.820 All the national borders.

01:38:26.820 You still need men with force to keep society going.

01:38:29.940 That's men's duty.

01:38:30.860 I agree.

01:38:31.280 What are women's duties to society?

01:38:34.380 I just named them.

01:38:36.440 They have historically been primarily homemakers, right?

01:38:39.800 And also women have a duty that men can't do, period, which is childbirth.

01:38:44.460 I'm glad you brought that up.

01:38:45.620 Why aren't they having any babies anymore?

01:38:47.640 Because the situation for them is not apt, is not appropriate.

01:38:51.940 It is a lot more difficult, especially when it comes to the economy, to have kids, one.

01:38:57.760 And two, like I mentioned at the beginning of the show, we need, women need strong men

01:39:04.300 to lead, right, and to be in a family with.

01:39:08.000 And unfortunately, unfortunately, the men of today, I'm not saying all of them, but the men of today are quite literally not the same as men 50 years ago.

01:39:20.480 So, in fact, in fact, and there's actual, you can pull this up, Brian, but I have it written here, too.

01:39:27.620 Men are actually physically different than they were years back, as in men nowadays, on average, have lower testosterone than their grandfathers.

01:39:38.240 so for you to say that because men have to be the ones leading and all of this you're trying to

01:39:46.580 say that oh women are not having kids because of women's right to vote or something like that which

01:39:52.220 is crazy i'm saying that we need to build strong men back up we need to encourage them to take

01:39:58.800 care of themselves to get healthy to build up their hormones get their testosterone right

01:40:03.980 get unaddicted to pornography drugs alcohol vices and then women will naturally want to

01:40:10.100 have families again but right now but right now okay but right now there isn't as high

01:40:16.440 of a percentage of men that women want to what you call submit to right to get into a marriage

01:40:23.660 with so women are women are not fulfilling their duty to society because man bad did i just did

01:40:30.460 the men just need to get better the men need to get better they need to improve the men are in a

01:40:35.000 sad sorry state and that's why the women don't want to have babies it's it's a fact i'm not

01:40:40.080 saying man bad i'm saying why are women fulfilling their duty why are women not fulfilling their

01:40:45.540 duty is it because the men aren't good enough i'm saying man unhealthy in fact and uh this is

01:40:51.640 something men are unhealthy and that's why women are that's why the birth rate is so low because

01:40:55.680 the men are unhealthy let me are you gonna let me finish or are you ever gonna get to a point

01:41:00.060 Yes, you just need to stop interrupting. So yes, for example, one in 10 kids nowadays has autism,

01:41:09.780 is born with autism out of all births. Can you just ever answer a question without going off on?

01:41:16.240 Can you relax and let me make my point? I'm just going to take a bathroom break while she laughs,

01:41:21.540 and then I'll just come back and ask you the same question. Fantastic. For those watching,

01:41:27.780 One in 10 kids are born with autism in this country.

01:41:31.640 Unfortunately, the men's health and the women's health is very important when it comes to fertility,

01:41:40.500 when it comes to the health of a woman's pregnancy,

01:41:43.260 and the men's health prior to conception is extremely important in making sure that that baby is healthy.

01:41:51.960 alcohol consumption is the uh is one of the largest causes of mutations and defects in men's

01:42:02.360 swimmers and so if men want to help the woman have a smoother pregnancy a healthier pregnancy

01:42:11.420 then they have to take care of their of their health first women do too i'm not saying it's

01:42:16.080 like women should just do whatever. But again, this is responsibility on both people's parts.

01:42:24.260 And women might not be having kids as much as they did before, because again, the economy is

01:42:31.620 freaking terrible. Women don't want to have kids that are going to struggle or go without. And

01:42:39.500 men need to realize this and know that okay maybe I can't be a man that provides everything and can

01:42:47.260 afford a stay-at-home wife but at the very least still going I can help uh in the household and we

01:42:53.840 can contribute financially and also with labor in the household that's what I'm saying okay Rachel

01:42:59.440 so I'm just going to defeat everything you said with one simple thing I'll just point out the

01:43:04.160 fact that the only people having children are the poorest people so if the problem was money

01:43:08.960 we would see rich people having all the babies and poor people would not be having the babies

01:43:13.900 so you're absolutely wrong on that in fact conservatives are more responsible okay now

01:43:17.960 it's my turn now it's my turn they've done studies on this because dropping birth rates around the

01:43:23.340 world are an extremely serious problem there are think tanks around the world including the world

01:43:28.000 health organization that are saying this could be civilizational ending for some countries

01:43:32.700 so they've studied it at length and the number one correlate around the world regardless of

01:43:38.360 culture, finances, religion, any other factor is women's access to higher education and the job

01:43:46.260 market. This means that when you tell young women to spend all of their fertile years going to

01:43:52.520 college and preparing for a job and then get into the workforce and establish your career before

01:43:58.520 you think about marriage and family, what you end up with is we have now women getting married and

01:44:05.400 having babies for the first time at around the age 30 31 when in my grandma's generation shout

01:44:11.280 out to grandma she's turning 100 on april 1st love you grandma she uh in her generation the first age

01:44:17.940 of marriage was around 22 and you got it you had a baby usually that same year you're also

01:44:22.600 against women's education don't put words in my mouth let me finish you just yappity yapped that

01:44:27.720 full time. I ran, Rachel. I ran. So it's an option, you know? So the truth is it's not finances.

01:44:33.800 It's not, uh, men are weak. Men need more testosterone. Men need to get their bag.

01:44:39.980 Men need to blah, blah, blah, which that's mind blowing to me that you would ever pin this on men

01:44:46.160 because you're like, you're like the men don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt

01:44:51.860 me. Don't interrupt me. Don't interrupt. Do you want a bathroom break and I can just talk?

01:44:56.180 go for it go okay you say the we would have more babies if the men would lead but then you say i'm

01:45:04.240 not going to follow a man i have my own mind and i'm a strong independent woman and i'm just as

01:45:07.780 equal as he is and i'm i think it should be equal how can you be equal and he could lead at the same

01:45:12.900 time yeah that's that's such a crazy concept for you to understand but it is possible okay tell me

01:45:19.040 how i am in a relationship with a man that i also look up to that i also that leads and at the same

01:45:28.120 time uh we both vote what is what is the argument you're trying to make that you how does he lead

01:45:35.440 if you don't submit who the heck is talking about submission i'm talking about voting rachel and you

01:45:40.720 just made an argument again against women's education now so now it's not just women not

01:45:47.180 being able to vote and women not having financial independence. I didn't make a should. I did not

01:45:51.100 make a should argument. I just told you what the reason is. But also women shouldn't have access

01:45:56.320 to higher education. Do you know the difference between an ought statement and an is statement?

01:45:59.740 I said the reason is this. Does that mean I'm saying women ought not be allowed to be educated?

01:46:06.640 Is that, okay, I'm asking you that question. Do you believe that? No, I think that women,

01:46:10.680 I think that women have, this is another big myth that Driana probably believes,

01:46:15.580 that women were that women were denied education do you think that there was no equality in

01:46:20.420 education until recently or something like that no um no actually and in fact women hold more

01:46:27.080 degrees than men yeah but what about what about 100 years ago or 150 years ago I'm not exactly

01:46:32.340 sure but I do know that uh education was heavily influenced by people that made it so uh it's

01:46:39.680 harder to get an education so it's more of an elite thing um and that's a whole thing the

01:46:45.120 rockefellers and whatnot but that's true but some of the first colleges in this country were women's

01:46:50.820 only colleges and they're also a lot and they've always had access and then rockefellers got

01:46:55.620 involved and it got cut so if we didn't have a birth rate problem in 1860 when all the women

01:47:00.700 could go to college why do we have it now because of a hundred years of feminist propaganda from

01:47:05.040 people like you and taylor swift and beyonce and kamala harris no i'm saying now we have this

01:47:12.120 problem because women like you, and I heard you say on, and I take major issue with this,

01:47:17.420 you, somebody finally pulled it out of you in the dating talk podcast that you do look down on women

01:47:22.560 like me who don't have a degree and aren't in the workforce. You said, look, if you, if all you do,

01:47:29.140 you said you don't feel that women who don't have their own money and career and all this stuff,

01:47:34.320 I've never said that. I dare you to like, I don't have cash, but I guess we could, you didn't say

01:47:38.900 you looked down on them but you said you did not consider them successful like you or something

01:47:43.260 no Rachel what I do remember saying is in Brian's hypothetical fun thing that he does on every

01:47:49.740 podcast where he's like oh do you think women should uh on the first time that they're over

01:47:55.780 at my house cook and clean and do a laundry for them do you think you should women should do that

01:48:02.720 and I'm like no that's ridiculous and most people that listen to that know it's freaking ridiculous

01:48:08.180 and women that do say, yeah, you know, I would totally like first time over a guy's house do

01:48:12.660 his laundry. Uh, yes, I do believe those women have something, something wrong. It started that

01:48:18.300 way, but eventually through the course of the conversation, you basically said outside of that

01:48:23.320 parameter, that is it. Okay. I'll just take your, your word for that. People can go back and look

01:48:29.560 at that. It's actually one of the, so women, so we've established that the fact of what's actually

01:48:34.500 true is that women are not, not having children because the men are too weak. They need to up

01:48:39.780 their game. They need to be better leaders. They need more testosterone. The men are lacking. And

01:48:44.520 that's why the women aren't having babies. The women aren't having babies because they go to

01:48:48.900 college and they build careers first and they delay their first child until their thirties.

01:48:54.920 And if you do that, there's a whole bunch of reasons why that doesn't work. The first is

01:48:59.620 you're already past the majority of your fertility window. After 35, even with IVF,

01:49:05.740 the odds of conceiving just go down drastically every year. That's a biological fact.

01:49:10.080 The second thing is when you build your life around this idea that you have to have goals

01:49:15.300 and be successful and you've spent all your life, everything you're doing is towards your career

01:49:21.360 for that purpose. Women find it extremely hard to flip a switch and suddenly be a mom and a

01:49:27.600 stay at home mom or like dedicate their lives to something outside themselves, which is what our

01:49:33.000 duty is. So Rachel, uh, it is statistical fact, and you can look this up, um, that women with

01:49:39.140 higher education degrees have lower rates of divorce. So since I am pro marriage and pro

01:49:47.020 successful marriage, not just get married all willy nilly, um, that is why I do believe it's

01:49:52.780 a good thing that women have education. And it makes sense, right? You know, you are educated

01:49:58.780 and therefore you want to establish yourself before starting a family so that it is something

01:50:04.980 that is strong. But wait, didn't you say you're against women going to college? Didn't you?

01:50:09.960 When? At the beginning, I said something about college and you said, I agree. I think college

01:50:14.880 is a scam too. I think you shouldn't go unless you're getting a STEM degree. Yeah. How many

01:50:19.040 women get stem degrees how how do those two things how are they you just said you think women should

01:50:24.500 go to college and get an education uh-huh okay but isn't college a scam unless you're going for

01:50:30.380 a stem degree did you get a stem degree uh no okay and i got lucky do you know what do you know

01:50:35.980 what percentage of stem degrees are earned by women it's like 20 i'm not a hypocrite because

01:50:40.320 i'm not telling people to do something that i'm an exception for i didn't even accuse you of

01:50:46.180 hypocrisy i'm just saying most women don't go for stem the vast majority 80 percent of women's

01:50:51.600 degrees are liberal arts nonsense a lot of them yes but still so why would we push that the fact

01:50:57.920 still stands that the more education formal education women have the lower the divorce rate

01:51:04.460 but do you think that higher life let's address that let's address that because do you think that

01:51:08.840 you not want people to not get divorced do you think you need college to not get divorced no i'm

01:51:13.320 just saying that there's that correlation okay that a correlation doesn't equal a cause so

01:51:20.360 telling women telling women to go to college because you have a lower chance of getting

01:51:24.780 divorce would be retarded that would be like the ice cream problem have you ever heard of the ice

01:51:29.660 cream problem no you're saying uh women aren't having kids because they're going to college

01:51:34.700 yes and they're focused on career and building careers because we tell them if you're smart and

01:51:40.160 successful this is what you're going to do and if you're a stay-at-home mom you're a loser and

01:51:44.140 you're lame and you're you're going to get abused you're going to be vulnerable but uh when i have

01:51:50.480 daughters um i am absolutely going to tell them you need to have something uh of value that you

01:51:59.320 can depend on because uh because you can't just basically put yourself up as uh somebody that is

01:52:07.140 dependent on neither the government nor another person, right? So yes, I would absolutely tell

01:52:12.340 boys and girls, set yourself up for life in whichever way you see fit. It could be getting

01:52:18.200 a STEM degree in college. It could be going to a vocation, middle school, doing some kind of trade

01:52:23.100 business, whatever. Absolutely establish yourself before coming into a relationship with somebody

01:52:30.480 else. And if you do decide to be- What do you mean by that though? Establish yourself? Do you

01:52:35.640 have to have like a 401k do you have to have a savings just have some kind of just any old job

01:52:40.820 some yeah some kind of way for you to be able to to depend on yourself god forbid the worst

01:52:46.140 happens you know okay but who can't do that do you know what the average jobs are that people work

01:52:51.980 the average person makes very different women it's like 40k a year for men it's like 60k a year

01:52:57.840 okay okay most of us have like basic ass jobs that we can get straight out of high school i did that

01:53:03.220 yes i didn't need to go to college and get into debt which is the other big problem this was a

01:53:07.640 very long time ago women come up no for you it's the same thing now no yes it is it is the same

01:53:13.960 thing now the thing the jobs that are in demand are not liberal arts degrees okay in fact there's

01:53:19.120 a ton of data showing that if you have liberal arts degrees you have the hardest time finding

01:53:23.160 a job because you don't have practical skills i agree and employers don't even want that shit

01:53:27.660 anymore and they look for people who try to start businesses they look for people who are self

01:53:31.880 starter, smart, self-educated. I'm debating you today with nothing but a cosmetology license.

01:53:38.820 Fantastic. I agree that having degrees does not change facts and having a title does not make

01:53:46.080 for any kind of an argument. I'm not, I never said that.

01:53:48.640 So if you can get a retail management job by the time you're 21, why can't you get married

01:53:53.220 and start having kids? Sure. You know, what I'm saying is that having kids and being a stay-at-home

01:53:59.860 mom obviously very valuable it does take you out of the workforce and if you were to get back in it

01:54:07.700 then it'd make it a lot more difficult so if women decide to be stay-at-home moms they need some kind

01:54:14.640 of protection agreement guarantee before marriage with the husband to make sure that the kids

01:54:22.140 primarily are taken care of god forbid the worst happens which is a split or a divorce so that is

01:54:29.800 what I'm saying I'm just being a logical reasonable person and I'd prescribe the same thing for men

01:54:35.520 you know you're not being logical you're not being reasonable and we're gonna figure this

01:54:40.360 out together okay so how how are we gonna combat birth rates dropping like a rock and tell women

01:54:48.220 you need to have your own money you need to have a fail safe you need to have a backup plan

01:54:51.780 you can't really leave the job market because if you do it makes it really hard to get back

01:54:55.600 let's work on solutions right for this country let's focus on this country at the very least

01:54:59.600 it's the one we care about um i think it'd be very helpful for women and men in this country

01:55:05.360 if we weren't importing the third world or filling jobs that americans can fill yeah why do we have

01:55:11.120 to do that do you know why because we're not having babies and if the women were having babies

01:55:16.640 we wouldn't have to import our entire labor force from the third world because we have yes sellout

01:55:20.960 politicians that don't answer to us and answer to foreign interests and that's why they're doing it

01:55:26.800 we have a labor that's real that's a real thing we have a serious not just us almost the whole

01:55:33.680 world we don't we're experiencing a birth rate collapse and it's created labor shortages and

01:55:38.960 it's created supply chain problems why would women want to have kids if you know we're and if they

01:55:44.640 know that the market for the kids when they do get born they're not going to have the same

01:55:49.520 opportunities they had growing up because we've got shitty politicians that are importing people

01:55:54.960 from all over the world so now women are having babies because shitty politicians are allowing

01:55:59.100 too many immigrants uh that's a big is there any point at which it's the women's choices

01:56:04.200 to shirk their duty to have children are we ever going to hold the women accountable and say

01:56:09.600 maybe the values are wrong maybe maybe the women should say you know what i think it's a really

01:56:15.940 valuable thing to produce another generation to keep this beautiful wonderful world that i get to

01:56:20.920 enjoy going beautiful concept and i agree with it however well you'll talk about what men should do

01:56:25.920 why won't we talk about what women should do women should also again contribute to their society

01:56:31.620 they should there's one thing we need women to do more of and it's have babies we don't need more

01:56:36.700 media girls but you we don't need more psychology majors we don't need more retail workers how do

01:56:42.840 you convince women to to have more kids well I'll tell you please so in a famous in this economy

01:56:49.840 yeah famous interview in the 19 well you can't you got to fix the whole system that's the point

01:56:54.580 you can't you can't fix the entire world oh you don't have to fix the whole world I'm gonna tell

01:56:59.800 you for the U.S. okay I'll tell you if you can just listen sure in the 70s Betty Friedan and

01:57:05.600 Simone de Beauvoir had a famous interview where Simone said I think the problem is that we give

01:57:10.920 women the option to stay home. I'm paraphrasing, but she said, I don't think the world should be

01:57:15.320 that way at all. I think that if we give that option, too many women will choose it, and that's

01:57:19.940 not how society will run. I agree with her, and I believe that. I think if women have the option to

01:57:25.960 stay home, that they would. I think if they had the opportunity to be mothers and be happy with

01:57:32.440 being wives, mothers, having their sisters around them, here's what happened. We pushed women into

01:57:37.800 the workforce in the 1970s in huge numbers. Who did that? It was the U.S. government and people

01:57:43.460 that wanted more tax? The government, the CIA, and the universities who wanted this big, massive

01:57:48.860 college loan. So we agree on that. The big, massive college loan kind of scam where you tell the women

01:57:53.240 take out a loan, go to college so you can have financial security. That's one thing, but more than

01:57:56.420 anything, they wanted more taxpayers paying into the system. Exactly. So what we do is that created

01:58:03.220 a two-income economy. The reason it's, and there were other factors in the economy declining,

01:58:09.720 but we've had ups and downs economically throughout all of history. You have to also include technology,

01:58:14.460 right? AI, all that stuff, industrialization. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, the point is that some women

01:58:21.060 have always worked and some women can and should work. I don't see any problem with it.

01:58:25.260 Mothers, if we take mothers out of the workforce, we used to have things like breadwinner laws,

01:58:30.180 where only the men were responsible for the debts in the family. We used to have things like clauses

01:58:37.360 in women's employment contracts where once you were married, we consider you taken care of

01:58:42.960 financially by your husband because he's the one responsible for that, not you. And so we're going

01:58:48.140 to give that job to an unmarried woman, a widow, somebody who actually needs the job because women's

01:58:53.120 jobs were limited. We didn't have this huge equal workforce with 50% men and 50% women, basically.

01:59:00.180 It's a little off, but that's basically what we have now.

01:59:03.180 That created a permanent two-income trap where now women like me who want to stay home can't

01:59:09.000 afford it.

01:59:10.120 And many women who I hear from all over the country saying, I would love to stay home

01:59:14.760 with my kids, but it's really tough.

01:59:16.780 This is not something you can change and fix today.

01:59:19.680 The reality of this problem is that it's going to be a multi-generational fix, and it starts

01:59:24.320 with what we value.

01:59:26.020 And we need to stop valuing career woman, careerism.

01:59:29.280 sarah kajessick parker sell that sex in the city how do you sell that to women well you don't see

01:59:35.100 this is the problem take away their option to choose nope it's not like that ever the way the

01:59:40.220 world works is based off incentive yeah just like how are you going to convince the men not to watch

01:59:45.300 porn you're not it's addictive and people have base instincts and the incentive to have a family

01:59:51.220 that's functional in the future and be a functional adult that yeah but we've we've convinced women

01:59:56.080 like you that what they should value is success get your bag have finances I didn't say that

02:00:01.780 I said you're 32 you you've been married you could be married but you have other values you

02:00:07.200 don't have children for a reason I would assume married permanently I think the single most

02:00:12.800 important decision a person could make is who they decide to have children sure I think that's

02:00:19.000 the most important. And so yes, I think both men and women should be extremely selective and choosy

02:00:27.280 with that decision because that's going to ultimately determine whether the child grows

02:00:33.560 up in a stable household. So I am not going to pressure women to just have kids as soon as they

02:00:40.780 can for any kind of reason. I'm talking about setting up incentives for the things we want to

02:00:45.840 yes and what we do by giving we give women specifically we give women free college loans

02:00:52.960 we give them uh free loans to start businesses we have done all this affirmative action stuff

02:00:58.260 for the last 50 years to push and push and push and incentivize women to focus on career focus on

02:01:04.880 joining the workforce reject motherhood it's icky kids are gross and they're and they're it's hard

02:01:09.880 and you don't want to do that it's going to ruin your body there's so much anti-motherhood

02:01:15.360 propaganda which i'm against the whole pop culture you can't name a single pop star or movie star

02:01:21.360 who's an influential woman who doesn't have the boss girl strong woman through your sexuality

02:01:27.280 message all of them do be sexy and hot like me and and make your money and you men are gross and

02:01:33.160 they're stupid and sabrina carpenter telling the whole world men are useless you're brought which

02:01:38.940 i disagree with but again you're broadly generalizing women this women that you know most

02:01:45.040 the incentives society-wide through the pop culture through the education system through

02:01:50.460 the government every institution tells women motherhood is for stupid losers and strong woman

02:01:56.860 sexy girl boss babe stuff is for winners and we have to change those incentives if we truly value

02:02:02.760 family you can't wait just let me finish just let me finish i'm not saying force i'm saying

02:02:07.260 incentivize you should know this if you work in politics if we incentivize people to come across

02:02:12.900 the border because they're going to get free shit we're going to get more of that you get more of

02:02:16.960 whatever you incentivize and you get less of whatever you stigmatize we need to stigmatize

02:02:22.480 sexy girl boss babe stuff we need to how by taking back the institutions and the culture how that's

02:02:30.240 what you said right yeah how are you going to do that by by me going on these podcasts and writing

02:02:35.660 books and talking to people like you and now there's a bunch of shouldn't vote that's how

02:02:40.180 you're gonna that's how you're gonna get them to go back to you know how many women actually don't

02:02:44.040 want to vote it's a lot okay you would be shocked yeah i'm sure but it's there's a lot they just

02:02:48.660 don't care that much the truth is whenever we have a dating panel brian um the majority of women

02:02:54.480 most of the girls when you say how do no i don't want to vote if you say to if you say to all the

02:02:59.520 can you let me talk they're curated please they're not curated yes wait what do you mean

02:03:04.760 she's saying that you specifically pick girls this is what everybody thinks about the podcast

02:03:09.240 And I, I wish this was true because I'm so black pilled and I wish I wasn't, but all

02:03:15.160 the young women I speak to, not just here, but on other podcasts and other debates that

02:03:19.180 I do, you ask them who they voted for.

02:03:21.680 They usually haven't.

02:03:22.840 They usually don't vote until they're older and married.

02:03:25.120 It doesn't matter who you spoke to on the podcast.

02:03:27.560 The facts are that a majority of women vote and do care about voting because they vote

02:03:32.520 Republican, because they vote Democrat, and because they voted more than men have.

02:03:35.840 I'm not. What I'm telling you is I'm not trying to convince women the way that you're thinking.

02:03:41.820 I'm talking about systemic incentive. I'm saying do things like what Hungary did,

02:03:47.540 where if you have three or more children, you never pay taxes again. We make marriage

02:03:53.200 an ecclesiastical governed thing again, where it's no longer this, this no fault government

02:03:59.520 bullshit that you want. Absolutely not. You go to your church. What's the thing that I want?

02:04:04.460 you are you like government marriage with prenuptial agreements and no fault divorce um i

02:04:11.340 believe that the government should have never gotten into marriage okay who should have governed

02:04:15.680 marriage i believe that i believe the government doesn't because you just told me you believe this

02:04:20.840 and this and this and it's what you said and it's inaccurate um i believe in people being able to get

02:04:28.060 out of bad marriages absolutely do you think they couldn't before and uh without previous

02:04:35.620 without certain legal protections let's say that you are in a domestically in a marriage where you

02:04:42.640 have domestic violence domestic abuse but you don't have the money to get a lawyer because

02:04:48.240 there's usually financial abuse involved as well so there's no way for you to even prove so there's

02:04:53.920 usually no emotional abuse so there's no way no i actually have the data on that too so there's no

02:04:59.960 way for you to prove that you're being abused and so that goes against their their rights and i don't

02:05:06.540 want women to be stuck in bad marriages so you know how many marriages i agree do you know how

02:05:12.640 many women were granted divorce in the year 1900 so this is before the 19th before no fault i don't

02:05:19.160 care because it's irrelevant to the point that I'm making, which is 55,700 divorces in the year

02:05:26.400 1900. You can't tell me that women couldn't get divorces. Yes, they could. Good. I'm not saying

02:05:31.560 they just didn't because it was highly stigmatized. It wasn't practical and the incentives were not

02:05:36.720 there. And what we built now is a system that incentivizes divorce. It incentivizes waiting

02:05:43.380 till your thirties to even start a family. And that's what needs to change. So we need to shift

02:05:48.820 it and make it cool again to get married. We need to make it cool to get married young,

02:05:54.320 to stay together. We should not be allowing or glorifying OnlyFans chicks, Instagram bikini

02:06:02.200 babes, all that shit needs to go. I absolutely agree with all of that. It's something that I

02:06:06.620 practice in my personal life, obviously. But again, the answer, the solution to things is never

02:06:15.700 to do anything by force or by taking away options, right? Do we want strong marriages? Yes. Do we

02:06:22.620 want divorces? No. Do we think that it's a good idea to ban divorces so that people are stuck in

02:06:29.600 abusive relationships? Do you think I want a divorce ban or do you think, because that's not

02:06:34.140 what I want. What I want is where you have, like we always had for all of human history until 50

02:06:40.700 years ago, if you want a divorce, ideally it should be through your church. You should have

02:06:45.920 to go to your ecclesiastical authority. So I'm an Orthodox Christian. If Andrew and I, and this,

02:06:50.920 I know a woman that this happened to, that there was actually legitimate horrific abuse. She went

02:06:55.800 to her priest and to her bishop and she said, this is what's going on. She had other people

02:07:01.480 who were willing to say yes we think this is going on she was granted a divorce because of

02:07:06.480 the extremeness of the situation what we have now what does that have to do with the kids what

02:07:10.620 happens with the kids what happens with dividing uh assets that they both had is the church does

02:07:15.820 it have any kind of dominion over those kinds of decisions so it's not no historically this is not

02:07:21.360 now but what we're talking about is prescriptions and i'm telling you the way we fix this is

02:07:26.560 if my church governed my marriage, the church would say, okay, we're going to help take care

02:07:32.460 of you financially. This is what used to happen under most churches. If there was a situation

02:07:37.000 where the woman was abandoned, abused, say the husband was crazy or violent, any of these things

02:07:43.560 that's like, uh, that it depends. That depends. Would you be okay from a religious perspective?

02:07:50.580 Do you believe it's okay? Or do you believe that people should stay in marriages when the other

02:07:56.420 person cheats on them or commits adultery? Well, so adultery can be a reason for divorce.

02:08:04.280 It depends. And that's a personal thing that you have to go through with your spiritual father

02:08:09.160 because- That's the number one cause of divorce, by the way, in this country. Yes, it is. No,

02:08:13.320 the number one reason that women give for why they leave is growing apart, irreconcilable

02:08:18.520 differences. We just don't get along. Infidelity is more like number three or number four. I've

02:08:25.240 researched this quite a lot as well and I've had this debate multiple times it's usually like third

02:08:30.680 fourth or fifth on the list depending on what survey you look at no all no it's not infidelity

02:08:36.100 is not number one absolutely not it's like third or fourth on the list but uh from a religious

02:08:41.900 perspective of course it's immoral we don't say cheating is okay we don't say cheating is good

02:08:46.960 but it doesn't automatically mean that in every case of infidelity you must divorce I know couples

02:08:53.220 and everybody knows couples where they've worked past that. Now, if it's a serial problem or if

02:09:01.220 there's a good reason, there's a lot of factors. This is a personal thing. This is why it shouldn't

02:09:06.320 be done through the government. It should be done through the church, through your priest and your

02:09:10.340 bishop who know you and know your situation and can mediate disagreements because you don't just

02:09:15.260 break up a family for any reason. Just one of the many things. Brian, you can go ahead and look it

02:09:21.900 top reasons for 2003 found that when divorced individuals are asked open-endedly to provide

02:09:28.340 their reasons for divorce the most cited reasons were infidelity 21.6 percent incompatibility 19.2

02:09:35.160 percent drinking or drug use which i also agree with 10.6 percent um in most studies infidelity

02:09:42.440 is that you would have to give me your source and i would have to look at it it's most likely

02:09:46.780 going to be a survey it's going to be most likely a survey of about 100 to 300 people this is from

02:09:53.660 the nih really wants me to go through here dot gov there um so we do have to differentiate between

02:10:02.400 for example surveys and what is actually cited in the legal divorce proceedings you were wrong

02:10:09.440 where right here uh so the results of the study uh reasons for divorce table one presents the

02:10:16.200 major contributors for divorce list. Overall, the results indicate that the most often cited

02:10:20.780 reasons for divorce at the individual level were lack of commitment, 75%. Another pretty word for

02:10:27.020 infidelity. That's not infidelity. Lack of commitment means you don't think the person

02:10:32.000 is fully in it with you. That's what that means. Because if you kept reading, the next one down

02:10:39.560 the list is infidelity. So the first reason in this particular study, which I'll have to go over

02:10:45.900 but the number one is lack of commitment that 75% for lack of commitment so the majority is

02:10:53.200 I feel like he's not really trying like I'm really trying that's the definition you're giving it

02:10:58.180 um infidelity is 59% and too much conflict in arguing 57 so people can give multiple reasons

02:11:06.440 so what you're getting with these is we already had a problem we already were fighting and then

02:11:15.160 one or both of us cheated it does not say he cheated on her it says infidelity that could

02:11:20.580 mean they both cheated so one thing i've noticed about you is you're actually not very good at

02:11:25.020 reading data and interpreting it you're not actually good at reading a study and understanding

02:11:29.420 what it says no you first thing there says lack of commitment um yeah and you interpreted that

02:11:35.700 as infidelity when the next one on the list is it not that does not mean there was infidelity

02:11:42.560 See what I mean?

02:11:43.060 Might I just offer clarification from what I looked up?

02:11:46.440 So there's two different categories.

02:11:49.720 So now commitment to loyalty or faithfulness could be a thing.

02:11:54.960 And Rachel is correct.

02:11:56.720 They wouldn't separate it into two categories if they meant the same thing.

02:11:59.980 Lack of commitment is one category.

02:12:02.520 Infidelity cheating is another.

02:12:04.520 So extramarital affairs.

02:12:06.400 But so under lack of commitment, it describes it as when the partner stops trying,

02:12:10.440 uh they feel unappreciated or decide the relationship is no longer a priority so i

02:12:16.960 guess in this context lack of commitment doesn't necessarily imply uh a infidelity or cheating

02:12:24.700 necessarily that's just by the way that's the exact same data that i cited in a portion we

02:12:30.600 just did a whole brand new debate course on debate university.com and all you guys who bought part

02:12:35.400 one you can get a big discount on part two which is all about debating feminism and in my

02:12:40.320 section i use that same data to uh argue my position so that's how i knew that she was wrong

02:12:47.280 on that and that she was kind of misreading or twisting the original uh question and point was

02:12:52.360 do you believe that women or just people in a marriage that suffer infidelity from the other

02:12:58.280 partner should not be able to divorce their no i would never say that you should never be able to

02:13:03.860 it depends i wouldn't say that every instance of infidelity must necessitate divorce though and

02:13:10.120 saying that i'm saying should they be able to sometimes it depends yes you do sometimes it's

02:13:16.520 up to what you randomly decide i think marriage should be governed by the church and if it's

02:13:23.060 governed by ecclesiastical authority runs it should though and it did so i'm saying let's go

02:13:29.240 back to that because that was better this country is not run by your personal christian orthodox

02:13:35.480 That's not what I mean. Your church. So if you're Mormon, you get married in the Mormon church and

02:13:40.760 that ecclesiastical authority governs your marriage. And if there's a divorce, they help

02:13:45.960 sort out who gets what and what happens. And they are responsible for supporting women and children

02:13:52.640 in the case of the husband doing something that would necessitate a divorce. That's how it was

02:13:58.260 non-religious all right non-religious couples or some non-denominational christian

02:14:05.040 couple gets married uh somebody cheats or do you believe that they are allowed to

02:14:11.940 legally to get divorced or they should be allowed i don't recognize secular marriage it's the same

02:14:17.880 thing to me as gay marriage all you're doing but it exists it exists you don't recognize what it is

02:14:23.820 but what it is reality right but what it is is not marriage what you have as a secular person

02:14:29.560 going through the state which is why brian's against it and a lot of men are are opting out

02:14:34.400 it's a gay roommate agreement it's a very homosexual thing in nature if you ask me

02:14:40.000 uh you are like oh let's make a boyfriend girlfriend living arrangement like like

02:14:45.060 sheldon on the big bang theory how you'd make the roommate agreement it's a glorified roommate

02:14:50.080 agreement that's enforced by the state there's no religious duty there's no moral duty it's not a

02:14:55.620 lifelong commitment you have an easier time getting out of your cell phone contract or out of a

02:15:00.620 divorce in a secular situation than you do breaking your cell phone contract really you have better

02:15:06.160 luck you went that state yeah you got a divorce that you just signed the paper and now you're

02:15:10.920 divorced yes you have a harder time with horizon it's harder to break up with verizon than that

02:15:15.460 I, uh, the first time around, even though, you know, we were young and picked people that we grew apart from, at least I picked a decent person. And so it was, you know, we're still amicable with each other and would be there for each other in any kind of situation. But, but, um, I'm just saying like, all it is now is it's just a basic roommate agreement. And then you go, I don't like this anymore. So it's done.

02:15:40.940 It's a really entangled legal situation, especially when shared assets exist and especially if kids exist.

02:15:49.280 You try to get into a divorce proceeding when kids are involved.

02:15:57.100 I went through that.

02:15:57.880 And it takes years to resolve.

02:16:00.720 In my case, it only took maybe less than six months.

02:16:04.060 But, yeah, it's just horrible.

02:16:05.920 but it should only my view is that it should only be for serious situations you're in danger

02:16:12.960 but there's something drastically i don't but we're talking about who should and i'm saying

02:16:18.620 it should be the church because marriage is a lifelong religious sacrament if all you want

02:16:24.920 is a roommate agreement i don't care what you do i don't make policy recommendations based on

02:16:30.260 religious arguments well that's even if i even if i hold the same values as you do so you're

02:16:36.820 you're doing the thing that you're doing the thing that so many people like uh not so erudite tries

02:16:41.740 to do this i have a set of morals for myself and what i think is right or wrong i have a set of

02:16:47.320 morals but i'm not going to force it on anyone i think every we should just default to secularism

02:16:52.160 and that's another big reason why we're in this mess so we do have separation of church and state

02:16:58.000 for a reason um is morality objective or not uh i think that morality is dependent on you know what

02:17:07.360 our beliefs come from from god right like basically whatever you know what i think there's objective

02:17:13.420 right and wrong regardless of what you believe according to your religion okay if that's the

02:17:19.560 case yeah if if we know objectively what's right and wrong yeah why wouldn't we organize society

02:17:25.780 along that and not just what this person might think is wrong on that day and then bob thinks

02:17:30.780 some of those things next let me let me name some of those things it is objectively wrong to kill

02:17:36.940 a person unless it is in self-defense why right because people have inherent uh human value so

02:17:44.600 that is i don't care what your religion is and you think that's based on god if you think i think

02:17:49.600 that's an objective moral uh basically decision but what if someone doesn't believe that what if

02:17:56.040 somebody says i don't think that people have inherent i'm giving you an example of things

02:18:00.980 that i believe are across the board that i don't think uh matter or change depending on a person's

02:18:06.500 religion like uh the right of a person to live unless of course you know they've threatened

02:18:12.060 somebody else and and whatnot so i think that's an example of that and you asked to name one sure

02:18:18.260 so yes objective morality does exist there's uh you know you shouldn't steal you shouldn't um

02:18:26.480 because that again is taking away from somebody else's property which is wrong and you don't need

02:18:32.020 a religion to basically support that and that there is a religion but see that's where you're

02:18:37.680 wrong that's where you're wrong though there are people who there are people who are secularists

02:18:42.960 who don't believe stealing is wrong they think stealing through taxation is correct they black

02:18:48.600 lives matter think that you know we're living on stolen land you got to give it back and all these

02:18:53.180 kinds of things there's a lot of people you're taking the more christian moral paradigm for

02:18:59.460 granted and saying it's objective when there are when if we separate church and state yeah that's

02:19:05.120 christian that those are christian values have a right to live unless they are um unless they're

02:19:12.140 basically threatened that you think that's christian do you think there's any other religion

02:19:15.840 that holds that you think that that was in the case before christianity no it absolutely wasn't

02:19:21.880 in the ancient pagan world there was no right to life there was no human dignity that did not exist

02:19:27.900 okay they did human sacrifice yes some absolutely some religions and different sex did those things

02:19:36.580 okay go to an islamic country and ask them if they think everyone has a right to live but it

02:19:41.320 absolutely did exist no it didn't especially in nordic especially in you know nordic they did

02:19:47.340 human sacrifice too and they conquered and killed people drianna no they didn't believe

02:19:52.280 that it was wrong to kill people and take their stuff you just said vikings and you're trying to

02:19:58.060 tell me vikings thought it was wrong to take over people's land and kill them isn't that like

02:20:03.660 legitimately what they did in their own in your own society i'm not talking about well that's

02:20:08.580 objective tell me or tell me they did not have a concept of objective human rights and objective

02:20:16.900 morality they do they exist christianity is what i'm saying christianity is the only religion that

02:20:22.300 has universal morals every other religion and system says there's what's right for us and then

02:20:28.500 there's what we do to other people are you not aware of that uh i'm not aware of the i don't

02:20:33.000 know how many religions that exist well now you know and what each of them it doesn't mean that

02:20:36.880 you're right i'm correct i don't know what buddhism any other religion uh what it prescribes

02:20:42.860 i don't believe buddhism prescribes that you know one set of rules for us another set of rules for

02:20:48.400 them um buddhism does not have an objective universal moral framework only christianity

02:20:54.420 does okay so again i set one example which is you said oh you know all of the other religions

02:21:01.000 prescribe one thing for their people and another thing for other people and i just told you like

02:21:05.520 that one doesn't and i don't i'm not even an expert and i'm telling you that buddhism does

02:21:11.020 not believe in objective morality that applies to everyone it's it's very like uh you find your zen

02:21:18.500 by just you know what's right for people and you let them find their way it's it's not here's what's

02:21:24.040 right here's what's wrong and it's the same regardless of the people or the place by or the

02:21:29.680 situation by again by your definitions and since rachel there's so many different religions again

02:21:35.340 this is why we don't prescribe policy based on religion that's a problem if you don't then by

02:21:44.180 then by that very definition you are making subjective prescriptions um what if people that

02:21:52.120 have a completely different worldview and a different religion than you came to power and

02:21:57.480 then tried to impose their religious beliefs on you would that be okay they have and they do and

02:22:05.220 that's just an is statement so isn't the problem that's why christians need to have power of the

02:22:11.720 government because if we don't someone else will or the solution is to take away the power of the

02:22:18.340 government to make those kinds of selective do you want to get into that do you want to get into that

02:22:23.660 argument because i don't think you do so you think that if we have a secular government where the

02:22:28.620 church is separated from the state we're going to end up with fairness and human rights is that what

02:22:33.040 you think? No, what I'm saying is it sets a dangerous precedent to set laws based on our

02:22:40.200 particular religions because then that's saying- Then what do we base them on? Then we base them

02:22:45.020 on objective morality, right? There is no such thing as objective morality according to you.

02:22:51.740 We base it on protecting the right of the individual. That I think is the ultimate-

02:22:59.760 then you would have to then you would have to have legal abortion you'd have to have legal pornography

02:23:06.080 you'd have to have legal because protecting the right of an individual because it's this is the

02:23:11.640 libertarian argument which is why earlier when you said i think people should be able to do what they

02:23:15.960 want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else yes that is the same argument libertarians and

02:23:21.300 classical liberals have used since the enlightenment to say you can't tell me i can't smoke this weed

02:23:26.100 i'm not hurting anybody bro you can't tell me i can't abort this baby it's my body uh no that

02:23:32.520 that thing is not a person it's just a part very easily because well using biology as an argument

02:23:40.060 not using a religious argument you use biology as an argument because again the embryo is an

02:23:46.900 individual by all senses of like the definition it's just part of the human okay but how has it

02:23:53.540 worked out for us around the world when we let secularists make the laws they always make abortion

02:23:59.420 legal and they make abortion legal based on bodily autonomy and libertarian principles of i should be

02:24:05.440 able to do what i want it's my body my choice and they're making just because they get what they

02:24:10.400 want it doesn't mean that their argument was valid right because they're just but without

02:24:15.660 without an objective religious moral framework just this is gonna be like way over her head so

02:24:22.360 we'll just go back to like no fault divorce or something also we do have some chats that came

02:24:26.340 through so while we uh do a few chats i think we've got about five or six we have cha xd so

02:24:32.940 our choice is to marry femcon women who we're equals with and will allow for the proliferation

02:24:39.500 of love and tell us it's all our fault or go to iran iran ain't looking too bad suddenly

02:24:46.060 would you like to respond to that i'm sure you could i'm sure uh you could find the kind of

02:24:52.640 submissive women that don't want to vote um and don't want to have financial freedom in iran so

02:25:00.460 you know what i i recommend it you know one way to get over there absolutely absolutely and again

02:25:07.360 this falls this was an easy debate she just came right out and said the quiet part out loud

02:25:12.340 uh again under hypocrisy you know because the basic argument rachel's trying to make with her

02:25:19.480 book is that women shouldn't vote but she does vote herself and she just said in this well

02:25:23.440 the minute that all the women can't vote i won't vote either sure and that's not going to happen

02:25:30.320 so you're basing your oh i wouldn't be so sure about that they said roe versus wade couldn't

02:25:34.740 be overturned and we got that one and i think a lot of people are waking up actually think it's

02:25:39.680 possible that yes i not only do i think it's possible it is inevitable and i'll tell you why

02:25:46.400 yeah you can laugh but i'll tell you why tell all the men watching this and all the men out there

02:25:52.060 have started to figure out that this feminism bs is only there because they facilitate and allow it

02:25:58.880 and if at any moment men go yeah this was a shitty experiment that didn't work it needs to go to the

02:26:04.240 dustbin of history no more of this shit then tomorrow it stops you think that would actually

02:26:09.120 we figured out that universal democracy, one person, one vote, basically provides this huge

02:26:15.140 front for a shadow oligarchy. It does not provide you with more freedom. What would be the time

02:26:19.800 frame? Do you think in your lifetime? Oh, I don't know. It could take, it could be 20 years. It could

02:26:24.400 be a thousand years, but with the birth rates dropping like they are, this situation that you

02:26:29.800 think is so great is literally unsustainable. Women, just the whole like women should be

02:26:36.220 financially independent. Everyone should have their own money and we should all just be

02:26:40.180 rugged individualists and every person gets a vote. No, I think that when we each have individual

02:26:47.760 rights and liberties, we can come together in a community a lot better because we're coming

02:26:55.340 from a point of consent, not out of force. We've had that for over a hundred years.

02:27:00.640 No, we haven't. Yes, we have had. 1974 is when women finally were able to be financially

02:27:05.980 equivalent to men women were always allowed yes we need to talk about this because let's go there

02:27:12.080 you're going to say that because some or most women weren't approved for loans or credit cards

02:27:18.620 yes that they weren't allowed and that's not the case so this is what feminism relies on again get

02:27:24.120 the new feminism debate of course because i break this down like no other 1974 the art let me talk

02:27:29.940 finally could have credit and were finally able to get loans without a male signature this is 52

02:27:34.900 years ago you're just wrong you're just wrong what do you mean is that i'm gonna explain it

02:27:39.280 if you want to pull that up if that's the fact but the framing of how you're saying it is totally

02:27:43.860 i'm telling you a law passed right what framing is there it's a fact well to people who aren't

02:27:50.520 very smart i'm sure the framing doesn't matter i as soon as you're done yapping i'll just what

02:27:54.580 happened the equal credit opportunity act passed you can pull this up equal credit opportunity

02:28:00.180 act in 1974 that allowed women to finally get credit and that finally allowed women to get

02:28:07.900 loans without a male signature that happened 52 years ago women weren't financially if she stops

02:28:14.020 talking i'll explain how is it wrong well i guess question for you one point of clarification

02:28:18.620 were women legally barred prior to it no they were not or were some banks it didn't yes correct

02:28:26.600 There were, basically, there wasn't protection that required that all women.

02:28:32.460 Brian, I can totally, yeah, I can totally break this down.

02:28:34.840 So now it's my turn.

02:28:36.260 What she's doing is a classic, she doesn't realize this is what it is, but it's classic feminist framing to make it sound a certain way when it wasn't.

02:28:44.900 It's facts.

02:28:45.540 So before the equal.

02:28:48.120 Facts aren't feminist and they don't care about your feelings either.

02:28:51.280 Oh my God.

02:28:52.500 Are you done?

02:28:53.000 Here, let Rachel.

02:28:54.200 yeah let me explain what actually happened so she's conflating and saying women were not allowed

02:29:00.540 that's not the case banks for the most part did not often grant loans or credit cards or accounts

02:29:09.000 to women who did not have employment the same way they wouldn't now so if you went to a bank now as

02:29:15.680 a man and you're 25 years old you don't have a job you live at home with your mom you don't have any

02:29:21.820 established credit and you don't have any way to pay a loan back, are they going to grant you a

02:29:26.160 loan? No. Okay. There was no law saying women cannot have these things. It simply was the

02:29:33.380 case most of the time. Now there were plenty of women and I have multiple, I have multiple examples

02:29:38.640 in the feminist debate course where I show you all the women who did have bank loans, credit cards,

02:29:45.200 bank accounts. Going back to the 1700s, women had these things. It just wasn't most women.

02:29:51.820 You often needed your dad or your husband to sign for something because you didn't have

02:29:56.820 a job because you were where you belonged in your home, raising the next generation,

02:30:01.440 which is the most important thing a woman can do with her life.

02:30:04.320 So yes, so what she just did was present disingenuous framing that makes it sound like women

02:30:10.800 weren't allowed these things.

02:30:12.120 They were denied it.

02:30:12.940 And what this Equality Act she's talking about, this Equal Financial Opportunity Law, what

02:30:18.080 that did was bullshit.

02:30:20.420 that was um that's a great it was it was bullshit because what it did was force it's the same thing

02:30:26.740 we do with uh everything else all this dei stuff all of this not discriminate based on gender just

02:30:33.200 shut up for a minute and you can learn you can learn yes we force institutions to grant loans

02:30:38.980 we say you have to give them this you have to give them that you have to prove that you have to prove

02:30:44.200 that you're not discriminating based on sex by offering women these things even if you know it's

02:30:50.640 a financial risk even if the bank wouldn't normally make that decision for business reasons okay

02:30:56.580 objectively so this law what this law did was force the hand of the government to step in and

02:31:01.480 try to force equality and you say you're against that you say you're against the government coming

02:31:06.020 in and forcing equality but you back all this dei nonsense you just back affirmative action you just

02:31:11.480 said a lie which is that this law forced banks to give women loans and it didn't all it did is

02:31:18.500 guarantee that they didn't discriminate on the giving of loans or credit based on gender don't

02:31:23.800 you think that banks don't you think that businesses should be able to deny service to

02:31:28.420 anyone they want for any reason by gender because of gender no oh okay well that's a progressive

02:31:34.040 position no do you think that bakeries let me let me christian bakery have to bake a gay wedding

02:31:39.020 pancake let me finish i'm talking about financial financial rights right no i don't believe a bank

02:31:44.620 should deny uh any kind of services to people based on their gender because then they could

02:31:50.400 also deny services or loans or credit based on race it should be it should be rachel let me finish

02:31:56.580 it should be based on the person's credit history ability to pay back all of that stuff the things

02:32:01.940 that normally banks take into consideration but that's not what that did that's not what that did

02:32:08.160 yes because it was telling banks it did not force banks yes it created a situation where the

02:32:15.320 government is now watching the bank and if they don't have a certain percentage it's the same

02:32:20.540 thing they did with dei hiring and with affirmative action in college you know letting women and

02:32:26.280 minorities into college i didn't so what this did was a bank might look at a woman and say okay

02:32:32.980 she just got divorced she's only had a job for a month the odds of her being able to pay back

02:32:37.940 a loan or a credit card are like not good normally as a business decision we would say no to this

02:32:44.080 person regardless but because she's a woman and we have to show a certain amount of women on our

02:32:50.700 you know payroll on our bank rolls that have accounts that doesn't so that we don't get

02:32:55.140 investigated and accused of denying women's rights that doesn't happen now we're going to do that

02:32:59.680 that doesn't happen because the bank can then prove no the reason we denied i think we should

02:33:04.320 have left the reason why we denied this woman um you know credit is because she just you know got

02:33:11.600 divorced and she just they should be able to deny you credit based on anything they want if somebody

02:33:15.800 inquires about i thought you're a libertarian why do you want the government coming in and telling

02:33:19.760 the bank who they have to loan money if somebody inquires about if the government decides to

02:33:25.120 investigate a bank and says oh you know you're giving 80 percent of your credit and loans to

02:33:32.000 men and 20 percent to women but the bank can prove hey yeah here's why we denied most of

02:33:39.440 women's applications they wouldn't get into any problems with the law and this okay if you're if

02:33:44.680 you're a major bank are you going to take that chance and this opportunity and this uh act made

02:33:50.720 that the case it didn't force banks to give out credit or give out loans to people that didn't

02:33:56.500 deserve them that's actually something that but women were allowed so but the whole point is

02:34:01.240 Prior to that, women were allowed to own property, have jobs, have their own money.

02:34:06.960 Were they not?

02:34:07.680 That's something that the Clinton administration did.

02:34:10.580 She would love the Clinton administration.

02:34:12.460 A big reason why we had the whole 2008 housing market crash.

02:34:15.720 Yes, exactly.

02:34:16.980 So are you saying that it was illegal for women to have their own money or property prior to 1975?

02:34:23.500 So there's something called coverture laws, right?

02:34:26.900 So if you were a married woman and you have joint property with a man and that man was away for business or war, whatever, you still had no legal identity.

02:34:40.340 It means that you could not sell the property or do business without their consent or anything like that.

02:34:48.060 So, no, you didn't have any kind of legal business standing.

02:34:53.140 so again they did not have rights outside of the presence of a man okay that's in a legal marriage

02:35:00.780 where were both of their they both owned property supposedly but here's the here's the problem with

02:35:06.960 that if you go back to again the anti-suffragist arguments to the suffragists in the late 1800s

02:35:13.280 the middle 1800s even the state of new york this varied a lot by state so this was not federal

02:35:19.140 most of it for most of history in the state of new york in 1870 if you were a wealthy woman and

02:35:24.780 you went into a marriage with um an inheritance or us an expected inheritance and maybe you already

02:35:31.680 owned property maybe you had a wealthy dad and you owned a piece of land in the state of new york

02:35:37.260 your husband was not allowed to get that in the divorce he was not allowed to sell it or do

02:35:43.080 anything with the land or the property or the money unless you said in front of a judge that

02:35:50.100 you were giving him permission and the judge had to be reasonably assured that you were not being

02:35:55.280 coerced or forced or in any way pushed into doing that and the women who were against suffrage cited

02:36:01.480 these laws they were breadwinner laws and there was other types of laws they cited this as look

02:36:07.240 we've got a really good deal and if you make us politically equal with men all this equality

02:36:11.200 feminism stuff we're going to lose privileges and protections that we now enjoy under the law

02:36:16.200 that we want to keep and that we so there were a lot today no there were a lot of protections in

02:36:23.000 place for women that we don't have anymore so if i had been divorced in 1870 and not 2006

02:36:29.700 i would have not been in the situation where here i am a single mom with kids and because my husband

02:36:37.160 and got into all kinds of trouble and I had to divorce him. Now I've got to try to figure out

02:36:41.920 how to support them. I've got to get a job. I've got to get on welfare. I've got to put them on

02:36:46.340 Medicaid because I can't afford. You think laws are more fair back in the day than they were now

02:36:51.280 when it comes to divorce? Laws back then protected vulnerable women better than they do now. Yes.

02:36:56.140 And I have data that can prove it. I disagree with that position. No, it's I'm okay. So when

02:37:01.380 the church would step in and forget about the church, the law, like we're talking about legal

02:37:05.520 marriages why do you want the government to do all this if you're talking about reality no right

02:37:10.020 now you said you want individual rights but then you'll say but i want the government to step in

02:37:15.060 and protect women which is it you have to pick one i'm saying what we have in place right now

02:37:20.280 the protections in marriage and in divorce laws you think that that is that that was better back

02:37:28.300 then than that it is right now that it protects i completely disagree with that as a broad picture

02:37:34.020 For many reasons, I disagree with that because nowadays courts take into consideration contributions beyond financial when it comes to marriages.

02:37:45.380 I do have to let some more chats come in here.

02:37:50.240 We have Redacted 92, totalization of reproductive control in females with secularization and feminism yields this pathology.

02:37:59.760 The Beast of Vanity consumes females from within, ironically fulfilling their fear of obsolescence.

02:38:07.880 That was some Shakespeare.

02:38:10.340 Shakespeare right there from Redacted92.

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02:38:26.560 we have based justin coming in here with oh i triggered it twice you're back to summarize

02:38:34.840 feminist is as feminist does proof is in the pudding you practice an emphasis on marriage

02:38:41.380 and kids with only a latest boyfriend at 32 ish with no kids when family tick tock would you like

02:38:49.440 to respond to that um i'm glad that you're following my dating life so closely and are

02:38:54.280 donating $100 or $200 every time I'm on the show to get a message out to me. But that is going

02:39:00.940 fantastic. And like I said, the person that you have children with is the single most important

02:39:07.320 decision you can make. I don't want to be in a situation where I'm divorced and then my kids

02:39:16.240 have to be raised by somebody else. So I'm going to take my very sweet time to make sure that I set

02:39:23.000 up my family for success and I'm not a part of that divorce rate after kids. I think that's one

02:39:30.860 of the worst things anybody has to endure. Do you want kids? Yeah, absolutely. And I'm going to have

02:39:37.400 kids. And so, you know, thanks guys. Well, thank you for that base, Justin. We have Cha here.

02:39:42.960 Thank you, man. How are you invoking objective morality absent an epistemic foundation? That

02:39:48.400 doesn't make any sense like you actually have no idea what you're talking about do you want to

02:39:53.220 respond to that yeah i think there's things that again objective morality just as you know shouldn't

02:40:00.080 murder people for any reason i think that that goes beyond religion um and we don't do you know

02:40:05.900 what he means by epistemic foundation i i'm not an expert of absolutely every right and that's

02:40:12.880 understandable and that's fair all that means is you have to have some so epistemology is just

02:40:18.520 basically like how you know what you know or how you know what's true so you can't just say well

02:40:23.340 I just think murder is wrong it's like okay but do you have a justified reason for saying murder

02:40:28.280 is wrong because clearly there's some people in this world who don't think murder is wrong so

02:40:32.280 like what makes you right he's just saying you need some kind of epistemology to stand on to

02:40:38.700 make those kinds of assertions and you're not you're just saying I just think it's the case

02:40:42.460 Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that even in, even people that subscribe to religions that try to justify murder, right, in cases that aren't justifiable for in common civilization, I think they know it's wrong.

02:40:57.240 I think we all inherently know.

02:40:59.160 Well, again, that's nice to say, but it doesn't, that's not how a debate works.

02:41:04.000 You're just saying words.

02:41:05.440 If there's people that believe it's okay to kill others of a different religion, I think that they know at their core that that is wrong and they just choose to follow that.

02:41:16.500 Well, I think you know at your core that women are not equal with men and that anytime men decide to rescind women's rights, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

02:41:23.480 But you're not going to admit to that either.

02:41:25.160 It's not going to happen.

02:41:26.660 You won't admit to that.

02:41:28.400 Why do you think it's not going to happen?

02:41:30.300 Because it's just not going to happen.

02:41:31.500 Because you take it for granted that simps are going to always come to the rescue, don't you?

02:41:35.440 have you heard of a little place called afghanistan yeah uh do you know that they used to

02:41:40.780 have because okay what about iran what about a little place called iran uh yeah okay what about

02:41:45.600 russia russia is not even muslim how about russia i'm talking about the united states okay but what

02:41:50.140 i'm telling you is historically there's multiple places around the world where regardless of

02:41:54.340 religion or other factors women had rights and then the men said eh not so much anymore uh why

02:42:02.520 do you think that won't and couldn't happen here other than the fact that you've lived a privileged

02:42:07.780 female life that leads you to believe that like this could never happen to me i don't think it's

02:42:11.940 a privilege to demand equal voting rights you can demand it all day sweetie but if the patriarchy

02:42:17.600 doesn't grant it you're out of luck rights as well um and i don't think rights are determined

02:42:23.520 based on force that's all super cute so what happens when it's not super cute do you believe

02:42:29.600 rights, inherent human rights are derived on whether somebody else can take them from you

02:42:36.340 or not? I don't agree with that. Now, be careful because I know you don't know philosophy.

02:42:41.300 That's an is statement. It's not an ought claim. I'm not saying rights ought to be taken.

02:42:48.760 I'm saying if tomorrow men don't want to enforce women's rights, you and I can't do anything about

02:42:55.480 it i don't know i i can't say right now that i know for sure that that would be the crease just

02:43:02.140 because you know we have guns the great equalizer i see so physical force isn't as much of a

02:43:09.060 determining factor uh between the sexes and i think at least in florida where i'm from um an

02:43:16.800 equal or close to equal amount of women own guns as men and it doesn't matter whether you're you

02:43:22.060 know seven feet or five feet as a man you know all you need is a small little handgun to be at equal

02:43:28.020 yeah i'm actually levels i'm actually a firearms instructor myself and i teach women so you

02:43:33.100 understand that i do are the great equalizer and what i understand is that i don't think but as a

02:43:38.080 whole but as a whole so like on an individual level if there's an attacker coming at you your

02:43:42.220 best shot is a gun for sure yes a pew pew i don't know if you can say that on youtube yeah and if

02:43:46.300 men wanted to take over and stop letting women vote yeah women you don't think women with guns

02:43:52.820 in this country would do something about it describe to me how you think that would look

02:43:56.720 it'd be terrible it'd be bloody you think that the girls are gonna so we just took away abortion

02:44:01.880 rights what and what did the women do why what did the women do about it they they went into

02:44:10.160 the street and screamed everybody saw the videos of the liberal women screaming at the sky

02:44:14.920 promising they're never going to have sex again which is like oh now you're starting to figure

02:44:19.960 out like you don't have to have an abortion if you just don't do the sex i'm very we saw them

02:44:25.280 vowing you know all kinds of things i'm gonna we're gonna do something and they didn't do

02:44:31.260 anything what were you expecting them to do well you said they would get guns and take the rights

02:44:36.400 back i'm wondering why they didn't do that well it was never a right and it was never a constitutional

02:44:40.220 right whereas abortion written in the u.s constitution so you think if it was in the

02:44:44.680 constitution then they would have revolted with guns uh then they would have had probably a more

02:44:49.320 uh objective valuable reason to do that but it's not right but would they though do you really

02:44:56.800 think women are going to collectivize so no i don't think most women want to kill their kids

02:45:02.000 why in all of human history have women never overthrown men as a group good question usually

02:45:09.580 usually men have been the ones to to fight the wars to go to war to choose but what why why did

02:45:16.240 women wait until 1920 when the law changed why didn't they just rise up as a group and take

02:45:22.620 their rights before that we've never had a civil war that i know of between men and women in any

02:45:29.700 kind of civilization yeah why before because usually communities operate as one it hasn't

02:45:38.020 been, you know, men versus women. You could technically say in places like Iran, you have

02:45:44.940 women's rights movements that do, you know, advocate for their rights as individuals.

02:45:50.800 Yeah, they always have to beg and ask who. Who do they have to ask their rights to be granted by?

02:45:57.700 Okay. I grant you that position. What I'm saying is that rights moralistically do not come from

02:46:06.480 force right that's just an assertion what are you basing that on from the fact that people have

02:46:13.040 inherent human rights according to who do you believe in natural rights not about what i believe

02:46:18.940 according to who natural natural rights whether i believe it or not has nothing to do with anything

02:46:24.000 say if if men with guns don't grant the rights how do you have the right it doesn't mean that

02:46:31.340 because men, again, you're conflating two different things. You're saying should. You're

02:46:35.100 saying should. Conflating two different things. You're saying, I think we should have rights

02:46:38.840 regardless, but I'm saying. Rights don't come from physical differences and being more physically

02:46:46.980 strong in any kind of way. Do you agree with that statement? It doesn't matter if I agree.

02:46:52.520 Okay. I'm asking you, do you agree that rights do not come from objective, like physical force?

02:47:00.040 Let me just grant that I do believe that. Can you prove that? How can you demonstrate that

02:47:06.400 rights do come from, they just exist, right? We just, they're just granted by what, by what?

02:47:14.240 I think they're natural rights. They're natural. Okay. And so what happens if tomorrow the men

02:47:20.620 violate your right to vote and they stop letting you into the polling center and they say, you

02:47:24.460 can't vote anymore, Adriana, you're a woman and we're not going to let you. That'd be a bad thing.

02:47:28.400 but what would you do about it personally i mean i i don't know go somewhere where women do have

02:47:35.460 egalitarian rights i i don't know okay first of all that's not gonna happen what i'm trying to

02:47:39.140 say is it can't be natural but it can't be natural and here's why okay the natural state of the world

02:47:44.380 is patriarchy that's the natural truth of how things exist so any illusion you have that we

02:47:51.260 have these inherent rights granted to us by God, by nature. You can think it's by God. I don't

02:48:00.200 think that. The Bible doesn't say anything about that. The Bible doesn't say equal rights for

02:48:04.720 everyone. Make sure the women have equality. In fact, the Bible says men are supposed to be

02:48:10.540 subject to their husbands and to their priests and they're supposed to be quiet in the church

02:48:14.180 and they're supposed to ask their husband if they have a theological question and that they

02:48:18.280 should submit to their husband that's what god says that's in your personal interpretation so

02:48:23.460 you believe in like astrological new age god like the universe or something no uh i think that

02:48:29.080 there's biblical proof and evidence of god valuing man and woman of course he values them the same

02:48:36.080 so that's what that doesn't but no god can value men and women the same and still he created a

02:48:43.000 system. You talked about naturalism. God created legal systems. God created the natural world

02:48:48.300 that we live in, right? And in that natural world, there is hierarchy, right? There's always people

02:48:55.840 who are at the top and then people beneath them. In every structure, whether it's a business,

02:49:01.160 a government, society, all structures are hierarchical. There is no such thing as equality.

02:49:08.300 There's always people with more power. There's people who are taller, prettier, smarter,

02:49:13.000 more talented. Okay. Okay. That's God's creation. Yes. Yes. So that's, that's hierarchy. That means

02:49:18.060 we're, we're not equal, different. Well, it doesn't even need to be hierarchical. We can be equal in

02:49:23.180 value. Like, yes, that's what I'm arguing. God values women. That doesn't mean he didn't grant

02:49:28.060 men authority over us. He granted men authority over us. That's why they're bigger. That's why

02:49:33.260 they're stronger. I know you don't like that, but I didn't wait the proof. Don't put, don't put

02:49:38.700 words in my mouth okay well you don't you disagree with that clearly no i do believe that men are

02:49:44.620 bigger than us normally physically stronger uh-huh you think that we're equal with them though we

02:49:51.040 have equal value yes therefore we does we have to have equal representation we're like going around

02:49:57.040 in a circle with this equal representation okay yes which biblical kingdom granted women equal

02:50:03.240 representation under the government? I don't know nor care, but I do remember reading. So you're not

02:50:08.500 Christian, what God are you talking about? You could be talking about Satan for all I know.

02:50:12.020 But I do remember reading in the Bible that Jesus wasn't particularly a fan of politicians,

02:50:20.400 period. You would be wrong. Tax collectors or anything like that. That's not what you think it is.

02:50:24.700 You don't know anything about any of that. Don't bring up the Bible if you don't know,

02:50:28.020 because i'll just waste you on it again um again you're there's so many religions that come out of

02:50:33.840 okay what god do you believe in then i do believe in in the god from the bible yes um so do you

02:50:40.800 believe in the bible yes i believe in the bible but i then show me where in the bible it says

02:50:46.280 that women have equal political rights with men or that women and husbands and wives are have

02:50:51.400 equal authority in the home it doesn't it doesn't say that okay anywhere so then why do you believe

02:50:56.560 in that because i'm basing my argument on god assigning equal value to men and women yeah they

02:51:04.580 can have equal value but men can still have authority do you think do you think do you think

02:51:10.500 women and men should have equal authority in the home or in the government bible does it say

02:51:16.000 does it say or does jesus particularly prescribe men vote and women don't uh there's no democracy

02:51:23.600 in the bible that's another reason i don't believe in it okay there is no such thing as it's monarchies

02:51:28.640 god granted us kings and gave us rulers okay so we should go back so you don't believe in the bible

02:51:33.360 we should go back so yes but why don't you practice there's monarchies all over the world

02:51:39.240 why don't you practice what we preach where um actually was it thailand or one of those christian

02:51:45.780 monarchies if there's a christian monarchy that's where that's where i'm headed thailand i i believe

02:51:50.760 has uh some kind of sect or some kind isn't thailand mostly muslim now they do have a yeah

02:51:57.020 so i'm not gonna go there because but there are plenty of other places where you can

02:52:02.120 live show me the christian monarchy i can go live under closer version or actually i think it was

02:52:08.620 the philippines or thailand one of the one again not and they would you know supposedly uh exterminate

02:52:15.800 like drug users and whatever across the country.

02:52:19.320 Yeah, Singapore and the Philippines do that.

02:52:21.440 Yeah, exactly.

02:52:21.900 So again, there's a lot more countries on the outside

02:52:27.340 that have the system that you currently like.

02:52:30.420 Okay, but back to this, right in the Bible,

02:52:32.580 and I think it's 1 Timothy 2.12 says

02:52:35.180 that men are supposed to be in authority over women

02:52:38.040 and that women must submit to their husband.

02:52:40.580 Again, I'm not gonna make this.

02:52:41.800 So if you believe, you don't believe in the Christian God

02:52:44.820 and you don't believe in the Bible if you think that's incorrect. Can you do that and also vote?

02:52:50.760 Do you think those two are at odds with each other? You could. Do I think you should? Those

02:52:56.480 are different claims. So that's your personal opinion. How things are versus how things ought

02:53:00.080 to be. I don't think you ought to be voting. No. Okay. As a woman. Can you right now? Yes. Okay.

02:53:06.660 And we're never going to change each other's minds. No. On that subject. What I'm asking you

02:53:11.880 is how you can, you are a, you are the worst, you're the most contradictory woman I've ever

02:53:18.660 debated. You'll talk about individual rights on one hand and then say, I want the government to

02:53:23.160 come in and force equality for women. And you'll say, I believe in the Christian God in the Bible.

02:53:27.640 And then you'll say, well, not that part. I don't like the first Timothy 2, 12 part, forget that.

02:53:31.600 I want democracy, not a monarchy. That seems icky. Jesus, I think Jesus thought this,

02:53:36.440 even though that's not what the Bible says. I'm just going to make it up.

02:53:38.960 The only person living, living hypocritically or not practicing what they preach here is

02:53:45.420 you.

02:53:45.920 Because at the very least, I say, I believe women should vote.

02:53:50.220 I vote myself.

02:53:51.560 I think that that is.

02:53:52.360 What have I advocated here that I don't do?

02:53:54.400 And you, quite literally, your whole shtick, your whole thing is women shouldn't vote,

02:54:00.280 but you do so yourself.

02:54:01.440 Voting is one of the things I talk to.

02:54:04.040 That is, that is, yeah.

02:54:05.380 voting is the most important thing that came out of the whole feminist movement i don't think so

02:54:12.300 you might say that but i wouldn't say that um and i disagree with pretty much everything else

02:54:17.480 in the feminist movement okay tell me what things i advocate for that i'm not living but voting

02:54:23.560 specifically voting absolutely is one of those right i don't think women should be in politics

02:54:31.420 second one uh financial independence you have your own i am not financially independent you have not

02:54:37.660 even close you work right you have uh you just said you were a gun instructor so you've worked

02:54:44.680 before under my husband for my husband's company okay but you do work for my husband yes but you

02:54:51.000 are financially independent no i'm not i don't have any bank accounts that are my name only

02:54:55.960 everything is joint i don't have any assets that are in my name only everything is joint

02:55:01.300 So if you wanted, if Andrew cheated on you, you wouldn't be able to get out of that relationship?

02:55:06.520 Sure I would.

02:55:07.920 I would be, if he decided to be a serial cheater and we went to our priest.

02:55:14.480 How about just one time?

02:55:15.600 Would you?

02:55:16.520 It would depend.

02:55:18.160 I don't.

02:55:18.420 That's not an instant.

02:55:19.680 We have different values on that thing.

02:55:20.740 Maybe, but I'm not going to break up a family unless I can tell you there's no hope.

02:55:26.560 There's no hope.

02:55:27.240 They already broke up the family when we did that.

02:55:27.960 See, that's what a childless woman would say, because I put what my children need above me

02:55:33.100 and my hurt feelings, and it would depend. I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not saying it's moral.

02:55:37.960 So let's take this really common scenario, just as an example. A lot of women will get married,

02:55:44.380 have one or two kids with a guy, and stop sleeping with him. And it'll have been, you know,

02:55:49.380 the poor guy's gone five years and he hasn't been touched. He's tried to talk to her about it.

02:55:53.680 He's tried to reason with her about it. He's tried to go out of his way. He's tried to be

02:55:57.040 romantic. He's tried, he's tried to do everything he knows how to do to fix it. And she goes, look,

02:56:01.020 I'm just not into it anymore. Ever since I had the baby, it's just not my thing. I just don't want

02:56:04.880 it. Okay. If he cheats in that situation, do I think that she should automatically divorce the

02:56:10.760 guy? No, I don't. Okay. That might seem crazy to you, but you keep the family together. I still

02:56:17.640 think cheating is a choice. Of course it's a choice and I'm not saying it's all right.

02:56:22.240 pretty much usually it can but there's a lot of dead bedrooms out there or or you can and if that's

02:56:29.220 the situation you're in i think as a man can't you just get a divorce yourself if your woman is not

02:56:34.620 fulfilling yes but this is what your duties your whole view comes from and i'm i don't mean this

02:56:40.480 as an insult i'm saying you don't know what you don't know because you don't have children and

02:56:44.320 when you have children they come first yes way before your feelings i agree or uh i would want

02:56:51.440 to no matter how bad a good example especially if i have a daughter i would want to not show her

02:56:57.040 that somebody can disrespect me and can treat the family badly and i still stay for the sake of not

02:57:05.840 breaking up a marriage i wouldn't want to set that example it depends so if your daughter found out

02:57:10.940 if your daughter found out you were terrible to your husband you don't sleep with him you belittle

02:57:15.280 him in front of people you're a jerk to him and then he cheats okay because he doesn't want to

02:57:21.060 remove the kid's mom from the home, but he doesn't know what else to do. It's not correct. It's not

02:57:26.180 a moral choice that he made. But I think that's very different from you're being the best wife

02:57:32.040 you can be. You're being a good, faithful woman. And the guy just wants to screw other people.

02:57:36.240 Totally different situation. So that's why I say it depends. Yeah. I personally do believe that,

02:57:41.820 you know, cheating is a one and done thing. And again, that's easy to say when you don't have

02:57:47.800 kids. I know. Um, but I also know that I have consistent moral values. Uh, I also know in the

02:57:54.000 Bible, you know, Jesus particularly references as adultery for one of the reasons that breaking up

02:58:00.360 a marriage would be okay. It's that big of an infraction. And it can be, it can be. It's that

02:58:05.640 big of an infraction. I've granted that it can be, but I don't think that, you know, marriage is a

02:58:11.980 long time, especially if you get married young, say you get married at 22, you live to be till

02:58:16.360 you're 82, that's 60 years. A lot of shit's going to happen in 60 years. You're going to hurt each

02:58:20.660 other. You're going to do wrong to each other. You're going to screw up. You can still keep it

02:58:25.800 in your pants. Same for women, by the way. I agree, but I'm just saying, I don't think it's

02:58:31.960 an always every time must get divorced just because somebody had some infidelity. I think

02:58:37.340 there are situations, and there's tons of couples out there watching this right now who will say,

02:58:41.160 yep, we screwed up. He cheated. I cheated. We worked it out. We stayed together. We're better

02:58:46.000 than ever. We're happy. And our family's still intact and our kids are happy. So there are

02:58:49.940 situations where that is the more moral and less selfish decision. Sure. And I'm all for choice.

02:58:56.580 We do have some chats that we have to get to. We have base Justin here. You shared plenty last

02:59:02.720 show. If I remember correctly, your boyfriend clears 1 million a year as CEO of a nonprofit,

02:59:07.120 correct how much more time are you going to take point is difficult to recognize how a priority dot

02:59:13.820 dot dot um yeah that's very very uh vague because uh being the ceo of a non-profit doesn't mean

02:59:22.280 that he makes a million dollars a year through the non-profit there's other business ventures

02:59:27.260 included in that which is like assets and property and whatnot but um you know i do think that uh

02:59:34.440 again, it takes time in getting to know the person that you're going to spend the rest of

02:59:40.660 your life with. Right. Um, so again, for me, it's not about money. Uh, it's about making sure that

02:59:49.440 what we like is similar. You want to ideally, uh, match up and marry somebody that you enjoy.

02:59:58.360 I do have to move it on, but, uh, we have AEI. Uh, thank you for the super chat. Rachel loves

03:00:03.980 cooking so much she cooked you didn't she who brought the barbecue it's pretty good thanks

03:00:09.100 thank you for your super chat there appreciate it a lot of barbecue references today mossing with

03:00:14.880 you we love a good barbecue here's a hundred dollars to mute blonde obama's mic and let

03:00:20.260 rachel read her favorite part from her book well unfortunately during the debates we don't allow

03:00:25.780 microphone mutes but thank you very much for your uh super chat there and if you do want to

03:00:31.920 uh pick up rachel's book occult feminism she brought a do you want a signed copy of rachel's

03:00:40.260 book oh something tells me no no not no go the her book called everybody i don't like as a feminist

03:00:47.540 no thank you that's not maybe that's the book is the book i was actually considering making like a

03:00:54.020 fun little prop and and putting that little uh cover on your book it's like rachel on top of a

03:00:59.760 rainbow. Everybody I don't like is a feminist, which is basically your argument. You know,

03:01:04.420 everybody that disagrees with you that believes in simple values is a feminist.

03:01:09.320 Let me get through some of the super chats here. We have Red Fox. Thank you for your super chat,

03:01:13.460 Red Fox. Brianna, I'm not sure who that is. If duties for women are to behave, excuse me,

03:01:18.940 if duties for women are to have babies, support the family and make a home, are you failing

03:01:23.740 your duty are you a good example for women a good great question um are women not having kids

03:01:31.140 at the age of 50 or 60 or 70 failing as women i think that everybody does that on their own

03:01:37.080 timeline um whenever is best for them wait you mean like women who had kids earlier but now

03:01:43.400 they're 60 and they're not still having them yeah as in if the duty of a woman is to have children

03:01:48.220 uh at what point does it stop well what if you what if you're like me and you just have them

03:01:53.340 you're supposed to have them until like menopause and then you just can't you know you did your

03:01:58.180 duty sure that's that's what i'm saying well that's that's what the super chatter is saying

03:02:02.120 people take their super chatter is just saying time he's not saying you gotta always perpetually

03:02:07.040 be having kids he's just saying at some point in your fertile years you should be doing that

03:02:10.920 and that doesn't last forever it's so crazy with how people are so concerned with somebody else's

03:02:15.560 you know well we're very concerned about the birth rate yeah and the fact that women are

03:02:20.140 generally focused on career and not focused on family anymore it's a serious problem yes that

03:02:24.940 I am actually trying to address myself and I'm not doing that by telling the women that hey you

03:02:31.740 know you should not vote that's not going to make them have more kids telling them that they can't

03:02:36.960 vote and that they shouldn't be financially dependent is not going to I think telling it

03:02:41.960 It's not great foreplay for women having kids.

03:02:43.880 But you're acting like I come on here and I go, listen, ladies, you shouldn't be voting.

03:02:48.660 That's exactly what you've done.

03:02:49.380 You need to depend on a man forever.

03:02:51.560 That's exactly what you've done.

03:02:51.700 No, like what I'm saying is, what my message to women is, don't listen to her.

03:02:57.660 Don't listen to Taylor Swift or Beyonce or Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton or any of

03:03:03.740 these women who put their career first, who think they have to be independent and prove

03:03:11.140 they can do it on their own there is no shame and you are not a loser if you marry a wonderful guy

03:03:16.000 you have kids with him and yes he's the one that makes all the money and you stay home and you

03:03:21.320 depend on him that does not make you weak i agree with that make you a loser and you don't have to

03:03:26.880 feel ashamed about that and you shouldn't feel bad about it for one minute doesn't make you ignorant

03:03:30.580 i agree you're not going to get beaten and abused i agree um but don't listen to these why what do

03:03:36.600 you have against women that do decide to put their career first and then have kids? I don't

03:03:41.800 have anything against them, but I asked them. Are they losers? I didn't say they're losers. I think

03:03:46.640 everything that you said, I asked them this question and I'll ask you the question. Sure.

03:03:52.240 What duty are you serving to anyone or anything outside yourself?

03:03:59.240 Be more specific with your question. I can't be. Are you serving? Are you performing any duty to

03:04:05.600 anyone or anything outside yourself, or is your life only about you and what you want and serving

03:04:12.060 yourself? What, what duty? Hmm. I wanted to ask you, what duty do you feel I have to anybody

03:04:18.420 outside of myself? Um, but that would just let you talk even more. Um, but, uh, I do think that

03:04:26.120 nobody has a duty to anybody, but, but themselves from a legal perspective or anything. I see. So

03:04:34.640 What do we do? Let me finish answering your question. Sure. Yeah, I think we all have individual choices on the timeline that we pick out for our life. And I think everybody lives their life as a rational individual that does what is most beneficial to them or what they think is most beneficial to them at the moment.

03:04:55.220 And we don't have a duty to, uh, basically make anybody happy outside of ourselves.

03:05:01.920 So I'm sure a bunch of the people watching, you know, would love to be like, oh, you know,

03:05:09.180 she should have kids like right now and, you know, get off the mic, whatever, get to it.

03:05:13.720 Um, I don't care.

03:05:15.300 And nobody should care.

03:05:16.220 I'm not saying you have to have kids, Simone.

03:05:17.940 I'm not going to, I'm not going to go personal about you because it's not my business and

03:05:22.740 I don't care. And I don't think that it even is pertinent to what we're talking about. What we're

03:05:26.940 talking about is what's best for society. Right. And what I'm saying is men don't get to have this

03:05:33.860 beautiful idea that I don't have a duty to anyone outside myself, because if men didn't do what men

03:05:40.120 do, we all die. So let me get, let me give you a scenario. If tomorrow you woke up and it was some

03:05:47.860 weird rapture and all of the men disappeared and it was only women left on the planet okay that's

03:05:54.240 scenario number one scenario number two is we wake up tomorrow and all of the women are gone and it's

03:06:01.500 only men left left on the planet who lives longer uh the women and will you let me explain why yeah

03:06:08.120 so let's say that the women disappeared men the species would die off because only men can sorry

03:06:16.420 only women can have kids so that's it we are done so they live till they're like 70 and then it's

03:06:21.820 over we are done so the men make it how long like I I'm not talking about I'm not talking about that

03:06:27.240 yeah whatever who so all the men live until they're like 80 90 and then they die yeah whoever

03:06:32.440 correct however if and I'm not saying I'm supporting either scenario obviously right but

03:06:38.740 if men did disappear tomorrow just by um statistically there's a lot of women in the

03:06:48.080 population that would still be pregnant um and then they would have kids and would repopulate

03:06:53.880 the earth and civilization would continue but what if all the male fetuses that the women were

03:06:58.720 pregnant with disappeared also okay sure so only babies that can be born is girls fetuses fetuses

03:07:03.760 gone and i love that you asked this because i thought about this question before because i

03:07:06.980 know you guys have talked about the scenario uh women are fertile right for five days before

03:07:14.300 ovulation so let's say a woman had relations with men five days prior to their ovulation day and

03:07:20.800 still have the swimmers in her body not babies not a fetus okay she would become pregnant and then

03:07:29.040 yes uh she would have a child and so statistically speaking all the boys can't be born though there's

03:07:35.940 a weird noxious gas in the air that only kills men i'm just saying now you have to be more

03:07:40.320 women surviving without men is the hypothetical no that's that's that's the hypothetical you gave

03:07:46.260 me the species would actually survive okay men disappear you're avoiding you're a percentage of

03:07:52.340 the population you're doing what i said you would do in my opening and you're running from the

03:07:56.600 scenario exactly why uh that would work because right now as we speak a lot a percentage of the

03:08:03.660 population worldwide is pregnant right now some of them wait wait that's some of them

03:08:08.400 she's avoiding she's avoiding your loophole is going to waste a bunch of time it's not a loophole

03:08:16.260 it is a loophole because what rachel is trying to get at here is not in in the instance where

03:08:22.440 there are women who yes there would be women who are actively pregnant and so conceivably if those

03:08:28.280 women were able to make it to term and give birth to the child then that child starts at zero and

03:08:35.260 then the species would survive arguable even if it was only female babies arguably the lifespan of

03:08:40.720 that child would extend beyond that but perhaps rachel what if you were to refine your question

03:08:45.060 to uh you know what just either all the pregnancies end in that moment right or pregnant women also

03:08:53.000 die i guess yeah so it's or only the female embryos can survive and be born it doesn't matter

03:08:59.120 a world of all women versus everybody dies versus a world of all men um i think everybody dies i

03:09:07.080 think it just depends on how long it is before either one does and both scenarios are terrible

03:09:12.860 women let me help you and tell you what would really happen the women would survive a very

03:09:18.120 short period of time because they cannot run the critical infrastructure like a psychic or

03:09:23.060 something no i let me explain it water treatment plants run by men power plants run by men the

03:09:30.300 grid goes down there's no hospitals there's no more ways to manufacture uh antibiotics there's

03:09:36.900 no heart surgeons like even the females who can do that stuff who can do surgery who can do first

03:09:42.980 stayed they can't do any of that without this world honey this is the reason why feminism didn't

03:09:49.380 become a thing until the last hundred years because technology made and maintained by men

03:09:54.620 is the only thing that allows you to believe you don't need men do you get that do you get that

03:10:00.860 you're trying to put words in my mouth who is saying that we don't need men have i ever said

03:10:04.440 you were just trying to evade the hypothetical and act like well everyone's just gonna die i don't

03:10:08.120 know yeah everybody would just die society but the men could survive way longer obviously than

03:10:14.420 the women because the women cannot okay what is your point to my point is that my point is that

03:10:21.120 your belief in women's rights you have to ask the men to guarantee your rights your any rights you

03:10:28.700 have are granted guaranteed and enforced by men only fantastic and the minute they don't want to

03:10:36.580 do that anymore you don't have them okay so if you want to live in reality right does it make it

03:10:42.300 right that is my argument that's an is statement that's not an ought statement now answer the

03:10:46.900 question does it make it right i don't agree to the same paradigm as you i don't believe in

03:10:52.300 rights like human rights everybody has rights i have rights i believe in duties we have duties

03:10:58.440 to each other we have duties to society we have duties to god correct we have duties but not

03:11:04.700 rights. Correct. As individuals. That's what you believe. Yes. Okay. I disagree. But what you

03:11:10.700 believe in is, is fairytale stuff. It's only there, but it's only there granted to you by men. Do you

03:11:19.300 understand that? I understand that Rachel. So then you'd better be nice to them and you'd better

03:11:24.580 stop arguing that you don't need them and we should have our own money and you should have

03:11:28.460 your own money and we're all going to just live as individuals. This rugged individuality that

03:11:33.180 you believe in doesn't exist i've never once argued that we don't need men and that we shouldn't value

03:11:38.760 men or anything like that rachel again stop trying to put words in my mouth you know exactly what

03:11:43.540 you're doing um my only argument has been that regardless of whether uh it is because of you

03:11:51.540 know the generosity of men that we do have rights it doesn't negate the fact that it's still

03:11:59.620 basically what should be the case that should be according to you because you prefer it that

03:12:06.400 women and men have equal value under the law why does that mean women need political power

03:12:11.900 because having equal value doesn't mean you should have power because we all live under

03:12:17.280 the system right we all have a voice on the system that we want to live hands i'm hispanic i talk with

03:12:24.760 my hands so Ikuana um I have a collab coming out with home math really soon two guys by the way

03:12:30.620 but again our rights don't come from whether people or not can um can overpower us I mean

03:12:37.880 they do they actually literally do okay Rachel perfect example for you see if you can understand

03:12:43.860 it okay um I'll try like I'll try my best black people in this country are a minority 13% of the

03:12:50.700 population many years ago it was an even smaller percentage of the population uh white men basically

03:12:58.560 granted black people the right to vote right because they are such a minority that they could

03:13:06.740 decide that that's not the case but do you believe that black people inherently have a right to vote

03:13:13.820 because of their worth as individuals that's the argument i'm making rachel wait a minute

03:13:18.360 uh who granted black people rights white well white men who men and men and women no women

03:13:27.860 didn't grant black people whatever i'm saying the white population no no this is key this is the

03:13:31.800 whole part you're missing this is the part i keep skipping white population granted black people

03:13:35.580 rights fantastic i'm talking about who granted the black people rights rachel the majority of

03:13:41.280 she's just going to avoid she's just going to avoid the majority the majority basically a

03:13:48.100 person's rights inherent rights are not determined by whether or not a majority grants it to you i

03:13:55.400 agree it's not about majorities that's not what it's about so let's say there was a population

03:14:00.060 the population shifted over time it's now 60 percent women 40 percent men men still grant the

03:14:06.580 rights because they have a monopoly on force, even if they're 60% women. So who granted the

03:14:12.320 black people, who granted black people, right? Does it make it morally okay is what I'm saying

03:14:16.960 just because, okay, let me give you another example. Okay. I can't wait. Another example.

03:14:24.320 You're just going to, I'm just going to still come right back to who granted them rights.

03:14:27.920 Who? It's not about who grants the rights. It's totally about who grants the rights. That's all

03:14:32.740 it's about it's about whether they should be whether that is a right they inherently have or

03:14:38.500 not right so for example in iran women don't have rights because the system that exists there

03:14:46.420 doesn't give it to them are they equal in worth and value and should they have equal voting rights

03:14:53.280 as the men do in their country yes that is that is my according to you sure that is my argument

03:14:59.020 Uh-huh. Yeah. And we're going to just keep going back and forth and differing on that.

03:15:03.400 And I think it's just a matter of, again, hypocrisy. Do you practice what you preach, Rachel?

03:15:08.820 Who granted the rights? You still vote. And you still plan voting. Yeah, because my husband tells me to vote and I submit to my husband. So who granted the rights?

03:15:15.680 Sure, that's a great excuse. That is a fantastic excuse, Rachel.

03:15:20.120 Yes, you're right. Black people didn't have rights. And then who granted them rights?

03:15:24.220 White people. White population in this country did.

03:15:27.220 nope what you got it right the first time men fantastic because they were because they were

03:15:32.320 the larger uh population no because they have the monopoly on force had nothing to do with them

03:15:36.700 exactly what i'm saying rachel they had the monopoly on but it's always men but it doesn't

03:15:41.540 mean could white women outnumbered black people right back then prior to civil rights there was

03:15:47.260 more white women than there were black people have a right to vote because the white man says

03:15:51.820 so or because they are equal as an individual are you talking about should or are you talking about

03:15:56.700 do should because i should because i should be 20 pounds lighter but i'm not so should i should be

03:16:04.940 but i'm not yes should right so okay actually that's that's the argument yes so if you want

03:16:10.560 to talk about ought claims yep then we have to get into epistemology and you're not going to do

03:16:15.460 any better with that sure that's going to be harder for you than this has been rachel this

03:16:20.380 has been the argument i've been making from the beginning of the show okay tell me why would they

03:16:25.040 should tell me why people should have rights because we have inherent value and worth

03:16:31.420 according to who regardless of gender or race or demographic you disagree with that i didn't say

03:16:39.280 i disagree with it i'm saying i don't think you say we should i'm saying we should i don't care

03:16:46.400 about what we should i'm saying i i'm the one now saying i live in reality where things are actually

03:16:52.060 how they are. And in reality, men grant rights and take away rights at will. And I don't think

03:16:59.440 it's the correct way to look at history or the correct way to look at society to say everyone

03:17:04.740 has a say, everybody has these rights, especially when you detach them from duties, because you

03:17:10.160 still haven't told me a duty women have to men. Men have duties to women, right?

03:17:16.100 Which ones, name them. Which duties to men have to women? To women specifically, not to the country,

03:17:22.060 or anything like that what duty does brian have to any specific woman out there well not as i'm

03:17:28.180 not talking about individuals no i am talking about okay well that's a different thing really

03:17:32.580 quick can we define the terms here can we define uh duty and can we define rights yeah well rights

03:17:39.340 are just an entitlement absent duty it's something that you just deserve and women love to talk about

03:17:44.800 what they deserve the deserving i deserve right women women think of the world this way this is

03:17:51.080 a gender difference women think of the world as but it should be and i deserve and men think of

03:17:56.080 the world as but it is and nobody's coming to rescue me okay that's a an inherent difference

03:18:02.120 fantastic get to the second point define what is the duty that people have to one another what is

03:18:08.280 the duty that i have a duty is a what what duty do i have a duty is a moral obligation to god okay

03:18:15.100 me oh to god okay so we're getting and and via it being to god what duty would you assign me

03:18:21.060 to any man that exists out there right now uh you don't have an individual duty to an individual man

03:18:26.980 because you're not married but as a woman you have a duty to society to do one of a couple of things

03:18:31.940 either society either produce the next generation or support and help those who are producing the

03:18:39.660 next generation in whatever capacity you can if you can't do that that's what women's duties to

03:18:44.760 society are, because if we don't do that, society dies. Everything collapses. Men have a duty to

03:18:51.520 provide protection, infrastructure, all the things I've already talked about, because if they don't

03:18:55.920 do that, we all die. Everything crumbles. That's what a duty is. It's something we're obligated to

03:19:01.800 do outside of ourselves, because if we don't, catastrophe ensues. Fantastic. I know that we

03:19:08.240 have duties as a society for it to uh function however how are you going to enforce these duties

03:19:14.820 on individuals right without basically trampling on their individual rights and their free will

03:19:22.120 and what they decide they can contribute to society because for example yes you have men

03:19:29.440 that are carpenters and that is how they contribute to society they're electricians

03:19:34.520 there are men that have nothing to do with that they're freaks in the sheets and they're you know

03:19:39.300 finance nerds how would you say that they fulfill all of these other duties of protecting women and

03:19:47.720 protecting society my argument is that we all have that we're all individuals right and we all

03:19:54.140 choose how it is that we contribute to society based on our individual strengths what we're

03:20:01.460 actually good at and that is the most moral way of living and that that is what leads to

03:20:08.340 the best societal outcomes because we're not stifling human ingenuity or sticking them into

03:20:15.560 boxes and telling them women you have to do this because imagine if women were all just mothers

03:20:21.620 forever throughout history I mean like I said before we wouldn't have refrigeration we wouldn't

03:20:26.580 have kevlar we wouldn't that's not true we wouldn't have none of that's true all of those

03:20:30.760 things i'm i'm guaranteeing you can look them up right now somebody sent some two super chats

03:20:35.720 debunking her nonsense that women invented refrigeration it's going to be something

03:20:39.620 refrigeration systems yeah it's always something like this oh men actually invented refrigerators

03:20:45.040 but a woman invented this one specific part that like kind of made it better her name was

03:20:50.040 But her boyfriend actually helped her.

03:20:51.920 No, Florence Parpart, if anybody wants to Google that.

03:20:55.480 Wait, might I ask a clarifying question?

03:20:57.640 Is your position that, so you're saying that women invented these specific inventions?

03:21:05.360 Things.

03:21:06.040 In her case, technology for refrigerators, not the refrigerator.

03:21:09.220 So refrigeration system.

03:21:11.180 These things could not have spontaneously been invented by men, absent women.

03:21:16.800 Yeah, they absolutely could.

03:21:18.100 I'm saying this is reality.

03:21:19.220 this is what happened and imagine if we told women that no you can't do this you can't oh yeah

03:21:26.240 imagine what would have happened if we wouldn't have let florence whoever invent some kind of

03:21:30.540 thing that went in the refrigerator that a man would probably invent a better thing anyway yeah

03:21:34.520 you're you're basically stifling human creativity how dare i stifle listen and and actual uh uses to

03:21:43.980 society again what the fundamental difference is here not everybody the fundamental difference is

03:21:49.380 that i don't really not everybody wants to be a mother i wouldn't make yeah here's the thing

03:21:54.260 you care about each and the reason is because you care about you okay you care about individuals and

03:22:01.040 what the individual wants and what the individual makes them happy because you want to pursue what

03:22:05.880 you like and what you prefer and what makes you happy it comes from a place of selfishness

03:22:10.080 that you want to defend more selfish for me to do what i want than it is to prescribe other people

03:22:16.280 what they should be well because here's what here's what motivates me here's what motivates

03:22:20.220 me the reason i'm here i don't give a fuck what adult people want adult women i don't care i care

03:22:28.900 about what feminine i care about what feminism has done to children that's my primary beef with it

03:22:35.240 and if you go into the last chapter of my book i go over all of the hell that we have unleashed

03:22:39.940 on children who pay the primary price for us telling women you don't have you don't have to

03:22:45.060 do anything sweetie you just do whatever you want with your life and whatever makes you happy we're

03:22:48.740 going to arrange all of human society around women and what makes them happy and how they feel

03:22:53.880 the people that pay the price for that is primarily children and secondarily everyone else i don't care

03:23:00.700 what you want to do for a career or what makes you happy you i know you don't and i don't care

03:23:06.400 what you want to do with yours either. You should care about the future of the human race. Yep. You

03:23:12.700 should be producing the next generation and you should be living your life in a way that is best

03:23:16.940 for them, not for you. That's what I believe. I do that however I see fit that you don't do that.

03:23:23.280 You don't do that at all. You know how I am doing that by making sure that I have the right

03:23:28.420 conditions to have children so that I don't give them a family that's going to be broken up

03:23:35.400 in the future i know you have experience i'm trying to avoid talking about you because i don't

03:23:42.180 i don't want to make this about you and your it is whether you're having children because listen

03:23:46.740 it is about the individual at the end of the day and yes we do benefit as a society if people

03:23:53.920 fill different roles that need to be filled but again you are trying to put individuals into boxes

03:24:00.040 based on gender roles and gender roles do exist and there's certain things that women are naturally

03:24:05.320 good at it's like so over your head it's like you're just naturally good at you for some reason

03:24:09.480 for example uh some women are just if you die tomorrow they're just gonna fill your job some

03:24:15.320 other blonde chick who looks good in a ball gown is gonna go to the political dinner and take

03:24:20.180 pictures okay what i do you're not doing anything that's gonna that's gonna leave a legacy after

03:24:25.920 you're gone you're not having an impact on society in that way do you think every woman

03:24:30.940 should be a mother yes i disagree there's a there's a few a few instances character there's

03:24:37.560 a few there's a few outliers there's a listen we can't talk about things on an individual level

03:24:43.680 because there's always outliers no we can't because you're the type of woman who goes

03:24:48.040 well i would say men on average are taller than women you go well i'm taller than my friend bob

03:24:53.140 he's five foot four and i'm five foot six that's what you do endlessly through this whole debate

03:24:58.380 you go but what about this outlier what about this person it's like are there a small subset

03:25:03.000 of women who are not cut out for motherhood yes you've gone from denying are you gonna just

03:25:08.000 yap the whole time and just talk about we're gonna let my individual rights and i think we

03:25:12.940 should all ride unicorns down rainbows because i think that would be best and they would they

03:25:18.500 would lobotomize you for hysteria just a few years back rachel um but i don't think so i don't think

03:25:25.260 it would be me who would be having the trouble again now it would be you rachel now we've gone

03:25:29.760 from i don't think women should vote even though i do and i will i don't believe women yeah that's

03:25:34.680 not hypocritical and now we already established that's not hypocritical on top cherry on top

03:25:40.000 women should primarily be mothers because i say so no because it's their duty and not do you want

03:25:46.920 to know why are you gonna let me tell you why you're just gonna finish yeah okay just gonna

03:25:50.880 endlessly yap about nothing you've just been repeating your same five talking points for

03:25:57.220 four hours and and you've been doing exactly exactly the same thing um but again make a quick

03:26:03.380 point i do need to get again the whole point is that now you're trying to prescribe to women as

03:26:09.720 a gender what they should be yes i am hold on wait rachel do let her finish your point and uh and i

03:26:15.980 disagree with that. I think women can be multifaceted, multi-talented. They could be

03:26:21.180 wives and mothers, and at the same time also contribute in other meaningful ways to society.

03:26:27.720 That is reality, the same way men do it. Because imagine if I said, you know, men's, we're going

03:26:34.140 to divide men and women's roles from like what it used to be back in the stone ages or whatever.

03:26:39.760 Women stayed home, cooked clean, took care of the kids, and the men went and, you know, hunted

03:26:43.960 woolly mammoths and whatnot. And right now, the job that all men should be doing is going out and

03:26:50.360 hunting woolly mammoths instead of using their creativity to, I don't know, do different things

03:26:56.500 that make modern life better. Again, you're trying to box people into certain things just based on

03:27:02.500 what you believe in. And I disagree with that fundamentally. I am an individualist. And I think

03:27:07.000 the more we allow people to be individuals, the more that they gift to society and helps us all

03:27:13.640 advance live better have better relations between the sexes let's do this there will be a little

03:27:19.940 bit later on there will be closing statements so you guys can each lay out your final closing

03:27:25.760 statements but uh i just wanted to clarify one thing can i say one thing before i go to chats

03:27:31.120 i'll make it brief no i'm i'm not an individualist and the reason that i say women have a duty to

03:27:38.780 have the next generation is because only we can men can't step in and have the babies the reason

03:27:46.160 we don't tell men hey guys we understand you don't want to do the dirty dangerous difficult

03:27:52.940 jobs that could kill you so you know it's all about what you want men you know just stay home

03:27:58.600 and play world of warcraft sorry brian um just just you know do whatever you want and follow

03:28:04.480 your dreams we do not say that to men if if men what do you what do you mean if men don't step in

03:28:11.000 we tell men to let me talk if you're walking down the street with your boyfriend and a guy tries to

03:28:16.660 mug you and he runs away we as a society go you coward you piece of shit you know we we shame the

03:28:24.140 hell out of that guy and we go you had a duty to protect her if if uh the politicians who are

03:28:30.100 mainly men if the president who's a man does not defend our country from foreign invaders we say

03:28:35.360 he sucks at his job we fire him we want someone else we don't let men do what makes them feel

03:28:41.200 good we don't let men decide what they find fulfilling and follow their dreams we only say

03:28:46.820 that to women we only say that to women and we go sweetie you don't have to have a baby if you don't

03:28:51.660 want to you don't have to be a baby factory and it's like okay if you're not going to and all the

03:28:57.040 other taylor swifts and and all these girls are not going to you what you think i'm gonna do it

03:29:02.740 by myself you guys think that it's fine to go off and i'm gonna have a glamorous career where i close

03:29:09.140 the deal over brunch and some other lady out there can have all the babies no no why can't you do

03:29:13.580 both rachel that's i well that's been my point my point is i did that first for 25 years before

03:29:21.320 doing this and you're calling me a hypocrite for it you're looking down on me for it you're

03:29:25.720 chastising me and calling me a hypocrite because you're like well you're out here promoting stuff

03:29:29.540 you're out here making money you're out here doing things why are you doing other women not

03:29:33.780 to do what you did no I'm telling them to do what I did do what I did have all your kids first

03:29:39.020 raise them into adulthood and then when they're big and grown you know I started at 20 which is

03:29:44.740 what you're supposed to do you're supposed to start early in your 20s and then by the time

03:29:49.980 you're my age 45 you're done having kids now you can now you can go off and do other things

03:29:55.440 because you fulfilled your duty to society as a woman we say the same thing to men we go men

03:30:01.700 you have to protect and you have to provide and you have to do the manly things and if you don't

03:30:06.480 we'll shame you into oblivion uh okay so you say that you you did your duty as a woman to society

03:30:14.920 by having kids early yep starting at your 20s uh and then you know had five kids right um what if

03:30:23.500 well first of all there's risks that come with that there's risks for everything i know but let

03:30:27.900 me finish let me finish my point uh you're prescribing women do this but you're not telling

03:30:34.460 them the negative things that happen from you doing that oh everyone else does i don't have

03:30:39.980 to because the whole world fear mongers women about what could get personal or chastise you

03:30:44.280 personally but of course you had negative things of what uh she had you know three marriages to

03:30:50.740 no I didn't have three marriages or two or two failed relationships you know children from the

03:30:55.640 first two relationships the negative things of what and the negative thing is she's saying

03:31:00.060 something could go wrong if you depend on a man and have kids you could turn out to be a bad guy

03:31:04.380 and Rachel didn't that happen to you and then you have a family that is broken up and now you have

03:31:10.020 to deal with a broken family with people outside of your current relationship and I think that

03:31:16.580 ultimately that is worse than women that wait a little bit longer in life, establish themselves

03:31:23.060 and then find somebody that, uh, but they're more compatible. You're acting like those are

03:31:28.640 mutually exclusive. And what happened to me was what happened to me was not because I was young

03:31:34.260 or the guy I was with was young. What happened to me happened because those guys believed in

03:31:40.420 the shit you believe in. They were libertarians. They were like, Oh, marriage is just a contract.

03:31:45.840 blah blah blah and they wanted what them that's true but out of because I was ignorant and I

03:31:51.960 thought that shit was correct too I thought like you when I was young and that's where I made the

03:31:55.940 mistake when I corrected the mistake was when I realized oh if I want a family which is all I ever

03:32:02.300 wanted I was not interested in dating around until I'm 32 like no thanks I wanted to get married and

03:32:08.960 have kids I realized if I want that life I've got to pick a guy like Andrew who is a strong leader

03:32:15.520 a patriarch a guy who's super responsible a guy who is strong a guy who takes care of me and you

03:32:20.760 develop not a guy who wants to split the bills i picked those split the bills rachel you develop

03:32:26.040 these ideas when at what point in your life about 24 25 okay about 25 so i was still pretty i was

03:32:33.420 still young enough to save it you know but most women aren't and again we do hold on we do have

03:32:39.140 to get some chats uh coming in here so we have airborne animal thank you for your message man

03:32:45.300 love the live exposure of this undercover leftist feminist as a grifting self-centered

03:32:50.900 opportunistic liar like all leftists she immediately goes to race keep exposing them

03:32:57.880 for who they are not one step back from that's what airborne animals so he's calling you a leftist

03:33:03.920 feminist blah blah etc etc and quick response to that if you'd like um you know again you guys can

03:33:12.280 put whatever titles you want on people that don't disagree with you it does not make them true

03:33:17.580 um i think again facts literally don't care about your feelings um but getting uh again getting back

03:33:25.420 to my point well hold on there's sorry more i there are more chats here so let's get through

03:33:29.840 the chats and then time permitting you guys can get back to it i find it hilarious you say you're

03:33:34.460 conservative when you do the very thing liberal feminists do when they get into an argument debate

03:33:40.400 bird hands peck i'm cuban convinced women are impossible to please at this point uh based

03:33:49.140 thank you very much for a message we have let's get through these uh red super chats here on the

03:33:53.980 side we have alan roach thank you for the australian hundred not we are here to watch

03:33:58.660 rachel cook now uh driana did i say it right yep for the hundredth time you you you are fluent in

03:34:06.820 spanish correct claro que si it's is it your first language um i think it's toe-to-toe with english

03:34:12.900 i was raised in miami so uh translate all these super chats into spanish for our for all the

03:34:17.780 spanish viewers of whatever yes i could but i'm not going to because that'd be a waste of time

03:34:22.700 but well i mean just to be considerate like we're such a hater we're very inclusive hating on your

03:34:27.480 super chats guys we're very inclusive after this live is over uh you can turn on uh the captions

03:34:35.100 yeah the captions auto translate correct be very she won't even accept her duty to translate for

03:34:41.680 the spanish-speaking audience just i'm just she's an individual and she doesn't want to guys you're

03:34:46.660 out of luck we're trying to like you know bring it any any languages you guys speak outside of

03:34:51.900 english i speak poor poor french we have uh jim bob smith thank you very much if guns are the

03:35:02.900 great equalizer tell me why there are zero women in special forces para rescue narsac excuse me

03:35:09.620 marsac delta force seals the gun is a tool men and men alone are the great equalizer yeah uh men

03:35:16.860 Men with guns cancel out women with guns.

03:35:19.600 Sorry.

03:35:20.280 Fantastic.

03:35:20.900 That's true.

03:35:21.580 That is true.

03:35:22.280 But on one-on-one contact, that's...

03:35:24.660 That's all we've got.

03:35:25.720 It's the only thing we've got.

03:35:26.800 So I'm a big gun advocate for women.

03:35:28.960 I needed one at a certain time in my life, for sure.

03:35:32.260 But as groups, men with guns are always going to overtake women with guns.

03:35:37.100 So it doesn't matter.

03:35:38.260 We have Josh here.

03:35:39.340 Thank you for your super chat, Josh.

03:35:40.980 The painful thing is the girl on the right doesn't understand the government allowed

03:35:45.320 women to work to tax them that's exactly she did say that but she still wants us to do it for some

03:35:51.660 reason and still doesn't know the bible this has been painful still doesn't know the bible that's

03:35:57.920 that's funny um i started off my argument uh my opening statement with you know pointing the

03:36:04.860 finger at the government for what we're seeing today and and taxing and putting women into the

03:36:11.020 workforce to tax them. So that is incorrect. You should go back and watch the whole life.

03:36:15.760 But then why do you want them to do it? Why do you want to give the government more tax money?

03:36:20.080 Why do you want a smaller native population and more taxes going to the government?

03:36:24.800 Who says that's the case?

03:36:25.680 If you're advocating for women to work, that's what you get.

03:36:28.660 I'm not advocating for women to work. I'm advocating for everybody to have a choice.

03:36:33.440 Everybody always did have a choice though.

03:36:36.000 I'm advocating to make it more attractive for women to want to be stay-at-home wives full-time, and I'm advocating for actual solutions creating the economy to permit that to be the case.

03:36:50.540 We haven't talked about that yet in the show, which is what are actual practical solutions to the current problem that we're seeing nowadays.

03:37:06.000 Um, and my, uh, prescription for that is men should take, uh, self-control of their lives,

03:37:15.200 of their bodies, of their health.

03:37:16.700 Yeah.

03:37:17.140 Men don't give enough.

03:37:18.220 That's the problem.

03:37:19.040 The men don't give enough.

03:37:20.300 That's not what I, it's always more.

03:37:22.360 That's not what I said, Rachel.

03:37:23.320 You just always want more from the men.

03:37:25.040 That's not what I said, Rachel.

03:37:26.240 Uh, I want men to be happy and healthy and right now they're not, they're depressed.

03:37:30.400 I think a lot of that comes from, uh, them getting their asses handed to them in family

03:37:35.280 court having access to pornography which has never been the case yeah i agree as we see we

03:37:41.600 should outlaw that shit and tell women they can't produce pornography and give it to that that's

03:37:47.180 your prescription that's your prescription for it rachel i think it would work would it not work

03:37:52.700 it would work rachel but it's one not gonna happen two it is gonna two rachel the onus you realize

03:37:59.220 pornography was illegal up until the 70s right it was always illegal so why would it never happen

03:38:05.240 you think that just because things have been this way for 40 or 50 years that they'll never go back

03:38:10.140 and that's insane. It's going to go back. It has to go back. Okay. Fantastic. Um, if it doesn't,

03:38:16.560 then the onus is on the individual on whether they, uh, engage in these vices or not, just

03:38:22.140 like alcohol, right? Alcohol is available to everybody. Whether you engage in alcoholism

03:38:27.680 is completely up to you and it is your choice. That's different. Do you know how that's different?

03:38:33.260 there can be good beneficial uses for consuming alcohol for example and church celebrations in

03:38:40.460 the you know that's not what i'm talking about but i'm saying pornography there's never a good

03:38:44.900 use for it it's only bad therefore you ban it there's no such thing as like oh a good amount

03:38:50.320 of pornography i agree with you yeah so you ban that shit unfortunately the reason why i wouldn't

03:38:55.800 is because when somebody that disagrees with me comes to power they will subject you've said that

03:39:02.140 100 times subject do you think heroin should be illegal they would subjectively do you want to

03:39:06.800 legalize heroin let me finish my my statement okay i'm just gonna drag you back to the question

03:39:11.280 subjectively decide what they think is evil or not i know you've said this over and over now

03:39:17.420 should heroin be illegal uh i think heroin is bad and yes it should be uh illegal why also why but

03:39:25.620 also but if we ban heroin somebody else might come to power and then they might ban something

03:39:30.680 else that we do want it's exactly actually what has happened anything that we've made illegal

03:39:35.000 there's been a black market for actually not true especially when it comes to the war on drugs did

03:39:40.020 you know that legalizing pornography increases human trafficking inflows into countries so

03:39:44.940 actually when you legalize pornography and sex work you end up with more human trafficking as

03:39:49.320 well okay there is no good healthy amount of sex work or pornography there's no reason not to ban

03:39:55.300 it if you think we should ban narcotics then you would have to be consistent and say we should also

03:40:00.940 ban sex work and porn uh i agree rachel okay good pornography yes i want to see you out there telling

03:40:06.840 all the only fans girls stop it you're not allowed we're getting rid of it yes we're banning it and i

03:40:11.580 also agree you know with the whole war on drugs thing i'm more of somebody that believes that

03:40:17.340 should be up to individuals um natural selection which is so you want to legalize drugs

03:40:24.400 uh i think that ultimately people are always going to find a way to you want to make all drugs legal

03:40:32.360 i think it's irrelevant because i don't think it's irrelevant at all we're looking for consistency

03:40:38.000 with you here it is irrelevant because you think it has they have been illegal period for so many

03:40:43.920 years and still people are dying of yeah murder is illegal and some people still commit murder

03:40:50.020 does that mean we shouldn't have murder be illegal should we just legalize murder because

03:40:53.980 well you can't stop all the murders so we might as well do you understand that you're like not

03:40:58.760 thinking it through no one thing is you acting upon another individual you consuming pornography

03:41:05.140 or drugs only involves yourself no it doesn't you just said do you see the distinction Rachel

03:41:10.360 contradiction again another point for me she contradicted herself again somebody else you

03:41:14.540 just said that men you just said men consuming pornography has a negative effect on the birth

03:41:20.740 rate and women it has a negative effect on relationships women don't want to marry these

03:41:25.160 men it's affecting all of us so the men need to stop doing pornography and primarily on themselves

03:41:31.120 yes which is what i'm trying to get but they it also affects all of society and it's the same

03:41:36.920 thing heroin yeah some people are still going to do illegal drugs however when you legalize them

03:41:42.820 like portugal and different places have the problem gets exponentially worse this whole idea

03:41:47.680 it's a libertarian idea once again that oh we just make everything legal and then you know the idiots

03:41:53.900 will just go die from heroin and the rest of us will live in a utopia no that's not what you find

03:41:58.040 what you find is that in places that you legalize these vices there's certain vices that

03:42:04.240 maybe it could be good for some people sometimes maybe it could be bad so we permit them as like

03:42:09.920 a necessary evil maybe okay do you think that's different than there is no good reason to have

03:42:17.460 certain things be legal like murder like hardcore drugs because heroin addicts don't just hurt

03:42:23.840 themselves that's a lie they they decay and destroy the rest of society they steal from people

03:42:29.160 they commit crimes yeah you're preaching to the choir um then be consistent i want to see

03:42:34.840 consistency from you you're like consistent so should we legalize heroin or not i am consistent

03:42:40.080 in telling you that if we ban pornography because i believe that it's bad that's not why we're

03:42:46.320 banning it we're not banning it because rachel doesn't like it we're banning it because it's

03:42:50.340 detrimental to all of society yes this is what conservatives believe i agree liberals don't

03:42:56.600 and they will eventually come to power one day right we're we're not going to have well yeah

03:43:02.440 because we keep letting women vote okay that's how they get in every time whatever it's gonna

03:43:06.420 happen rachel and then again my whole argument is it sets the precedent on making things illegal

03:43:12.700 banning things etc that you don't subjectively like that is why well but that's not true also

03:43:18.000 rachel that's why the onus is the you're also wrong about the onus is on the individual i don't

03:43:22.760 understand why you are arguing so much against the individual because i don't believe in that

03:43:28.360 libertarian bullshit anymore i grew up i grew up and became a full adult i have responsibilities

03:43:34.340 to other human beings besides myself you're arguing against humans men women whatever

03:43:40.880 taking not taking responsibility for their own actions that's what you're arguing still have to

03:43:45.720 do that that's what you're arguing against i can just have a minute to debunk this ridiculous claims

03:43:50.860 that you just made so you said that if we can't shut his laptop right now or phone and decide

03:43:56.140 not to consume pornography that's what you're arguing against it's very easy i'm not saying

03:44:01.760 that you're taking away alcoholics can stop drinking tomorrow yeah why don't fat people

03:44:06.200 can just stop eating yes yes that's true to take away responsibility i'm not i'm not because even

03:44:12.260 when things are illegal the government to do it even when things are illegal you still have

03:44:17.020 personal responsibility how because people there's people probably in this town right now doing

03:44:22.740 hardcore illegal drugs especially if they get caught they are going to go to jail that's their

03:44:28.980 personal choice they are they that actually increases individual responsibility when we

03:44:35.160 take something that we know has a major negative effect on society and we say this is not going to

03:44:40.500 be permitted anymore we are putting maximum responsibility on the individual because now

03:44:45.500 we're saying okay if you do this you get caught there's consequences you're going to jail you're

03:44:50.080 getting fines you're gonna have to go to rehab whatever it is in your libertarian utopia where

03:44:54.480 we just go it's up to you if you want to destroy all of society or not it's up to you if you because

03:45:00.440 okay to throw your argument back at you if we say we have to give individuals the choice to look at

03:45:06.900 pornography why i'm not saying we have to give individuals you're saying we have to keep it

03:45:11.180 legal i'm saying you tried to say it was free speech i'm saying that the reason why we can't

03:45:18.220 ban it is because it sets a dangerous legal precedent. Rachel, that's the only argument

03:45:24.180 that I'm making. Demonstrate it. Because if we, again, put our subjective morality as a reason

03:45:31.120 for creating laws. My morality is not subjective. Yours is. No. Yes. We believe that pornography is

03:45:37.120 bad. Perfect. Great. Fantastic. If I try to put this into law when somebody else is in power,

03:45:43.300 they're going to put something that I don't agree with into law that is based on their subjective

03:45:47.320 valley that's everyone though okay so if if you make this is why we don't set legal precedents

03:45:52.820 like that rachel we do though you're just like one you're wrong like yeah so let me give you an

03:45:57.360 example please go ahead if uh when trump got into power this this last round and he said i'm going

03:46:05.240 to say no more trans kid surgeries okay and i don't know if they've actually passed a law or

03:46:11.280 not, I don't remember, but let's say we did. We banned trans hormones and surgeries for anyone

03:46:17.940 under 18. You can't do them. You're saying we can't do that because then when Democrats come

03:46:23.100 to power, they're going to go, well, you made something illegal. So now I'm going to take away

03:46:26.120 something you like. That is not how things work. We have, uh, I will, that's why you do what I'm

03:46:33.880 suggesting. The reason you do what I'm suggesting is because I have a moral epistemology and a

03:46:40.140 framework that means what's immoral today is immoral tomorrow and a hundred years and a thousand

03:46:45.480 years from now it doesn't change according to the culture according to people's opinions

03:46:50.500 that's why i don't want democracy because democracy by its nature has to be progressive

03:46:56.660 you can't have conservatism in a democracy what are you going to conserve we we have

03:47:02.960 we don't what have we conserved what have we conserved conservative values in a democracy

03:47:08.360 You can hold them, but you're not going to win because the whole point of it is to be endlessly progressing, endlessly going somewhere, right?

03:47:18.100 So what have we conserved?

03:47:19.320 Endlessly evolving, yes.

03:47:20.560 That is the nature of humanity.

03:47:22.380 Then you're not conservative.

03:47:23.560 We evolve.

03:47:24.260 Then you are progressive.

03:47:25.780 No.

03:47:25.960 That is the progressive mindset.

03:47:27.520 I am a realist, and things evolve, and so we evolve with it.

03:47:32.240 What doesn't change are our values.

03:47:35.080 And for example, saying that trans kids are blowing my mind right now.

03:47:40.120 This is blowing my mind that you're letting these words come out of your mouth and you

03:47:44.100 don't see the contradiction.

03:47:45.320 Making a law saying that children cannot be mutilated, have their genitals mutilated or

03:47:51.560 have their hormones altered with as minors has absolutely nothing.

03:47:58.920 It's not an equal example to anything that I was referring to.

03:48:02.140 So if we make pornography illegal, what do you think the Democrats are going to do?

03:48:06.860 You think the Democrats are going to force kids to have trans surgeries, Rachel?

03:48:10.440 No, you told me we can't.

03:48:11.860 Is that the equivalent, Rachel?

03:48:13.160 No, you're telling me, I'm doing an internal critique of your position.

03:48:17.660 I'm saying your position is, well, we can't ban this thing just because we don't like it, which is not my argument.

03:48:23.140 I'm not saying ban it because Rachel doesn't like it.

03:48:25.040 I'm saying use a Christian moral objective framework that is universal for everyone and

03:48:29.720 constant throughout the ages, regardless of the culture or anything else.

03:48:32.880 It's unchanging foundation.

03:48:34.920 You're saying, but Rachel, we can't do that because inevitably we're going to have a Democrat

03:48:38.940 come to power and then they're going to get revenge on us by getting rid of something

03:48:43.180 we like.

03:48:44.140 Not we like.

03:48:44.920 That's your position.

03:48:46.300 That is the reality.

03:48:47.520 And I'm saying.

03:48:48.260 And I agree.

03:48:48.880 And yes, that is the position to that when you, yes, that's the only thing you've gotten

03:48:53.900 write this whole time about what i've actually said um that yes if we ban something we don't

03:48:59.440 like because we morally disagree with it then the left is going to do the same with us and they are

03:49:04.560 but your whole framing is we morally disagree i'm saying there's no disagreement right is right and

03:49:10.280 wrong is wrong yes there are a universal set of objective morals that christians believe in the

03:49:15.920 reason i want christians in power is because they will legislate based on an unchanging

03:49:20.400 powers based on an unchanging universal standard well if that happens they're gonna make pornography

03:49:25.720 illegal they're gonna make sex work illegal they're gonna ban abortion they're gonna get

03:49:29.720 rid of most of the drugs they'll probably let you keep alcohol and maybe a little bit of weed

03:49:33.200 who knows um no just the ones that can be good and can be bad alcohol can be used in certain

03:49:40.460 contexts for bonding and social things it's like been part of human celebration for a long time

03:49:46.660 the bible itself says that wine is a gift from god wine isn't bad misuse of wine is bad you can't say

03:49:54.160 pornography is good but the misuse of pornography is bad pornography is just bad i'm not making that

03:49:59.600 argument and i'm saying you don't understand the difference between me saying there's there's some

03:50:04.260 things that are a tool that can be either used for good or bad and the only thing that's bad is

03:50:09.780 the misuse i'm saying there are things that are just bad like sex work there's no upside to sex

03:50:16.160 work no matter how much libertarians want to argue it the there's no upside so you make it illegal

03:50:22.240 okay rachel how how are you gonna how actually what do you mean prostitution is illegal what

03:50:27.500 do you mean how only fans is not illegal you ban it so where i live in i'll tell you i live are you

03:50:33.200 out there knocking doors i live in texas where you can't access that stuff unless you can prove

03:50:38.220 you're a certain age and what that proves is that you can prevent people from accessing things the

03:50:43.540 same way you make everything else illegal if you have an only we shut down only fans we say you

03:50:48.880 cannot operate in this country there's other countries that have banned only fans and if we

03:50:53.940 find a woman which i think is good if we find a woman producing pornography of herself she's

03:50:59.620 putting she's videotaping herself doing sex acts and putting it on the internet for people to buy

03:51:04.380 we put her in jail okay that's how would you which you know what would be let's say i agree

03:51:10.580 with you on that would you be okay also if you catch a man consuming pornography putting him in

03:51:17.140 jail yes so okay that is that is fair to have this and that is valid we used to have a set of laws

03:51:21.800 called the comstock laws okay so and if you're so if you caught a man rachel if you caught a man

03:51:29.340 with porn on his on his computer he would have to face some kind of legal punishment as well

03:51:34.720 we'd probably do what we did with drug dealers though which is the dealers get a much higher

03:51:39.620 a much stricter punishment and the consumers of it get a lesser punishment depending on how much

03:51:46.720 what percentage do you think of the people that are watching which are mostly male do you think

03:51:52.380 would go to jail or get punished for consuming pornography despite sure them agreeing on the

03:51:58.060 chats and everything with most of what you're saying but being hypocrites and actually consuming

03:52:04.260 that kind of well I'll tell you I think that most of the men out there watching this if they agree

03:52:08.820 with me there might be some they're like no i think it should be illegal but the ones who think

03:52:12.540 it should be illegal if if this got passed through the congress tomorrow and they said look within 90

03:52:17.960 days we're banning all pornography if it if it goes above a topless photo if it's more than that

03:52:23.060 or if it's a or if it's a sex act i think a lot of those guys would actually be really happy to

03:52:29.060 have their access to that cut off because then they wouldn't have to struggle as hard with having

03:52:35.200 it in their face all the time because the problem with it now a hundred years ago pornography was

03:52:40.860 illegal but it was so hard to get a hold of it was not easy to get porn now it's at our fingertips

03:52:46.000 now it's the average child is first seeing it at the age of 11 and I think a whole ton of people

03:52:51.720 watching this would breathe a sigh of relief to know that if the government banned it and just

03:52:56.080 shut down all those sites and you had to do a whole bunch of stuff you had to work really hard

03:53:00.880 to get your hands on it it would keep a lot of people from ever getting addicted to it in the

03:53:06.220 first place it would keep children from seeing it and it would make men who struggle with it and they

03:53:11.000 they don't want to be addicted but they're struggling with it it would make it easier we

03:53:15.080 get um according to you uh we get our rights from men right like what actually happens in society

03:53:22.520 is men are the guarantors it's because they're the enforcers allow it or or don't allow it so

03:53:28.720 if men you know wanted to get rid of this pornography problem they technically could

03:53:35.080 they have the numbers for it why has that not happened Rachel well I'm glad you asked it's

03:53:40.640 the same reason that the 19th amendment got passed it's the same reason that the liberal

03:53:44.660 and progressive agendas as a whole have passed and I talked to Joe Rogan about this when I was

03:53:49.320 on his show it's the beta males it's the simps do you think so you're calling the audience no males

03:53:55.680 and simps not not the whatever audience they wouldn't be watching they're not watching

03:53:59.800 statistically speaking you don't think a good percentage of them watch porn they might be but

03:54:04.560 i'll tell you this is you you asked why the men no no i'm not because you asked why are the men

03:54:10.500 allowing it the men who are in power the men who are in charge why are they allowing it yeah

03:54:14.920 because it's it's a little thing called a they're called sneaky fuckers and they are men who as a

03:54:21.020 mating strategy there they don't do well with women naturally so they have to be like hey ladies

03:54:26.560 i'm on your side i love women's rights i think sex work is real work and they take all these like

03:54:32.440 left feminist positions and it's a way of making themselves seem undangerous so they can get close

03:54:37.660 to women become friends with women and then the hope is that eventually you'll break up with your

03:54:42.400 boyfriend and have a bad night where you're drunk and let him hit it that's that's the sneaky

03:54:46.040 fucker strategy and a lot of wealthy uh nerds you know during the progressive era got a lot of power

03:54:52.820 and a lot of money and they wanted to tax women and all these things that we already talked about

03:54:57.280 and so they passed this agenda by pandering to women and pretending to be your friend pretending

03:55:01.480 to care about you so right now what we have is because of democracy women are voting in a lot

03:55:09.980 of these more progressive males leftist males and women so now we've got a bunch of women in

03:55:15.060 government you've got a bunch of leftist men in government you think so there is probably a lot of

03:55:20.240 conservative republican men who would ban and have tried to bring bills to the floor to ban

03:55:25.240 only fans to restrict pornography but they can't because the sneaky fuckers and the feminists go

03:55:31.040 that's not fair you can't tell you can't tell sarah that she can't put her butthole on the

03:55:35.680 internet for 5.99 you're denying her rights you think they argue on the basis of rights okay you

03:55:41.620 think that a majority of women would be against banning pornography when pornography causes

03:55:49.520 infidelity? No, I don't think a majority would. And is the reason why a lot of relationships and

03:55:55.280 marriages fail? I think most women would be in favor of banning pornography. It'd probably be

03:55:59.720 about a 50-50 split. It would probably be about a 50-50 split. Also because it's a minority of

03:56:05.620 the population that engages in producing it less than one percent of the population so most women

03:56:12.060 have no uh stake in the game they could quite literally just you know vote against it texting

03:56:17.840 me even when i'm here same thing with uh with men if a majority of men actually were against this

03:56:25.220 they could you know unite and and ban it yeah but the reality that we live in unfortunately is that

03:56:32.000 people are not being accountable to themselves to themselves and that is why they're not even going

03:56:38.420 to go towards the next step which is but making you're wrong and i can prove it you're wrong and

03:56:43.640 i can prove it so pornography was illegal until really recently until like 50 years ago yeah and

03:56:51.700 anthony comstock was a conservative man in the government who passed the comstock act and the

03:56:58.320 Comstock laws that made all that stuff illegal. Those people got pushed out of the government

03:57:04.220 when we gave women the vote. When we gave women the vote, we got more leftists, more progressives,

03:57:10.260 and females in government. And now in our government, we have a large majority of women,

03:57:17.480 leftists, and moderate men and women who are going to argue against doing this. And we've shoved the

03:57:24.800 actual masculine conservative men who would try to do this sort of thing off into the corner and

03:57:30.580 told them you can't do that because you're taking away women's rights do you think do you think men

03:57:35.500 have uh in or do you think men's character is inherently good because of the fact that they

03:57:42.680 are men or that they should be respected because of the fact that they are men or because of the

03:57:48.800 way that they act totally different questions so is men's character inherently yeah why should

03:57:53.500 why should uh women you know respect men just as a result of them being men when the majority of men

03:58:02.820 don't respect themselves and i'm saying majority because a majority of men do consume pornography

03:58:09.080 voluntarily so why would so why would women trust these kinds of men to lead society unfortunately

03:58:17.180 and make decisions that are you know better for us my argument is that again it comes back to the

03:58:24.960 responsibility i know but you asked me a question so you're gonna let me answer the question it goes

03:58:28.840 back to the responsibility of the individual when it comes to all of these things because tomorrow

03:58:33.900 they ban pornography and the next day they're going to create some other kind of vice that

03:58:38.880 people can go for that's such a bullshit that's such bullshit nonsense like what and it is up to

03:58:44.800 the individual you're just going on a diatribe and you're just okay you asked me a question

03:58:50.020 can I answer it are you just gonna woman prattle the whole night uh that's what you've been doing

03:58:54.720 you're just gonna no you just might I add yeah I I have a loud speaking voice I'm very animated

03:59:01.000 you got me I talk like this all anybody who's seen me on any podcast ever knows like this is

03:59:05.520 just how I talk uh-huh um hysterical it's not hysterical I'm having fun I'm winning I'm having

03:59:11.800 a great time i i wouldn't do this if i wasn't having fun this is fun for me i'm having a great

03:59:17.840 time so no i'm just enthusiastic i'm passionate that's not that you you're crashing out rachel

03:59:23.540 you're hysterical i'm glad everybody can watch this and they can all see it so you're not gonna

03:59:28.820 i'm glad you're having fun uh if it were just a few years back somebody like totally untrue

03:59:35.220 somebody like yourself somebody being excited and happy and passionate is gonna get a lobotomy

03:59:39.980 Yeah, I know.

03:59:40.840 Are you going to just keep repeating your same five things?

03:59:43.920 Okay.

03:59:44.220 Both of us.

03:59:44.760 Can I answer her question?

03:59:45.800 Both of us, Rachel.

03:59:46.880 Both of us.

03:59:47.400 Let me let some chats come in, but we are coming up here on the four-hour mark.

03:59:53.640 Yeah.

03:59:53.940 I wanted to just answer her question.

03:59:55.800 Let me know when are we closing out.

03:59:57.120 Really quick before you do that, because we are coming up on the four-hour mark, are you

04:00:03.000 guys wanting to get to closing, or we can continue on on some more prompts?

04:00:08.640 I'll leave it up to you guys.

04:00:09.800 Um, I think, I mean, I think that we've discussed most of the things that we were, yeah.

04:00:15.760 So let's do some chats.

04:00:17.300 Um, let me let some chats come through.

04:00:19.240 Rachel, if you can just keep that thought in the back of your mind, uh, and we can get

04:00:23.940 to that.

04:00:24.420 We have every guy here, uh, we are depressed from women like you telling us we aren't worth

04:00:30.880 anything.

04:00:31.500 That is quick response.

04:00:32.640 That is very sad.

04:00:33.820 That is not true.

04:00:34.840 I'm telling you that the manosphere is telling you that you're not worth.

04:00:39.260 what is the what is the manosphere yeah people like uh you know the myron gains shows and they

04:00:44.400 tell you you know you need to be making a million dollars a year to have a family otherwise you're

04:00:49.340 a loser myron doesn't say that um and so i hold on a minute i know myron and he does not i disagree

04:00:55.640 with with that concept i think well you're disagreeing with a straw man because that's

04:01:00.440 not the argument that myron ever makes he doesn't tell men that there's plenty of men in the

04:01:05.620 manosphere that say uh you know you have to be making a million dollars to consider yourself a

04:01:10.560 man all i'm saying is that you have who says that there's plenty she doesn't know she's just heard

04:01:17.600 she's like totally heard it yes actually yes actually is but no is andrew wilson in the

04:01:23.540 manosphere uh i don't watch his stuff so i don't know exactly and you debated with him yes i know

04:01:29.580 i don't know what he says outside of like what we talked about on the whatever podcast

04:01:35.480 well what do you if you were leaning in one way or the other she said i was in the manosphere

04:01:40.540 is rachel in the next i i i do believe so because again wow i can tell you right now

04:01:47.980 they don't claim me okay they don't claim it's actually just really you and that pearl

04:01:53.460 uh girl that you as in rachel yeah you rachel pearl i think you two are really the only women

04:01:59.580 i've seen on these red pill podcasts basically agreeing red pill podcasts have i been on ever

04:02:05.860 with most of the men's talking are you just gonna sit here and lie right to my face what red pill

04:02:12.300 podcast have i ever been on tell me again back to okay she's just gonna lie i'll get just proving

04:02:17.720 she doesn't know anything about me at all again for the men watching this that think women are

04:02:23.420 saying that men don't have inherent value uh not true again make yourself she's saying your

04:02:30.820 inherent value is to do what she wants no based on a man if you were doing what women want then

04:02:35.680 you have inherent value but if not then you're a bad man you're not doing good enough you need to

04:02:40.240 be better and do better and then the women would be better be somebody that leads don't watch

04:02:45.860 pornography take care of your health that's all women want be a competent person be a responsible

04:02:51.840 adult that's basically it might i ask one clarifying question you say be a man who leads

04:02:57.900 yeah are you talking on the micro or the macro level on the on both but primary but it has to

04:03:03.360 start individually first so yes lead your own life take control of your own life and then you

04:03:09.380 can so should men lead the government she's gonna tell you how to be a real man and then you can

04:03:13.200 take leadership roles in the government yes absolutely she's not a feminist but she's got

04:03:17.860 a whole list of what she's gonna tell you you need to be doing as a man but not a feminist if

04:03:22.780 a man told me good things for me that just would be better it doesn't matter if a man is telling

04:03:28.960 me that oh really i have the sneaking suspicion that if brian started rattling off to you if a

04:03:35.320 bunch of things he thought you needed to be doing better you'd be like who are you to be telling me

04:03:39.740 i'm not gonna do this i know i'm pretty sure that's what we'd get if a man told me hey you

04:03:45.280 know you need to take care this is all i'm saying take care of your physical health you know don't

04:03:51.880 engage in any vices uh be chased you know uh don't have don't be sexually promiscuous all of these

04:04:01.060 are good things to prescribe for women as well as men why would i not listen to that it doesn't

04:04:05.900 matter who the messenger is what's important is the message so if men tell you look i don't think

04:04:11.300 you should be involved in politics because you can't defend the nation you can't protect the

04:04:16.700 borders you can't do the things that people in the government have to necessarily do so

04:04:21.000 i think you shouldn't vote you're going to be like okay no no you're not you're going to do

04:04:26.260 what you want because you're a strong woman you don't have to because some simp out there will

04:04:30.260 come by and and protect you from the bad man telling you what to do because again it's about

04:04:34.820 the message, not the messenger, is my argument here, Rachel. Can I ask you one question, though,

04:04:41.740 just on the leading thing? If your argument is that both on the micro and the macro level,

04:04:48.080 men should be leaders, what if within the purview of men's leadership, they make a determination,

04:04:53.480 and this isn't my position, but Rachel was forwarding this, they make a determination

04:04:59.340 that women shouldn't have the right to vote would you follow in said leadership uh nope because

04:05:05.980 again so just to be clear when men lead you you have veto power over their leadership yes if she

04:05:14.300 doesn't like it so lead me when i'm in the mood to be led a majority of people if i agree with you

04:05:22.980 you can lead of a majority that makes you the leader you realize that right if a majority of

04:05:28.000 people decide on one thing that is wrong it doesn't make said thing right right oh so the

04:05:33.480 majority decides what's moral no that's exactly what i said is not the case if a majority a

04:05:39.500 majority does not decide what is moral so if a majority who decides what's moral that's what

04:05:45.660 you and i disagree on i think morality is something or the understanding of what is right from wrong

04:05:51.800 is inherent within humans you just clearly not you disagree the fact that we have more

04:05:57.620 people in prison than any country in the world would prove you wrong. If everybody just inherently

04:06:03.340 understood right from wrong, we wouldn't have any of these problems. I think people understand it

04:06:08.680 just because they choose to engage in things they know are wrong. That is a completely separate

04:06:13.680 argument. So you think that women who advocate strongly for abortion rights, you think they know

04:06:18.880 abortion is wrong? They just won't admit it to themselves. People know theft is wrong, but they

04:06:23.240 still steal there no there are legitimately there are legitimately people we disagree with that okay

04:06:29.540 but socialists marxists communists think if you have more than you need and i don't i am justified

04:06:37.540 in stealing from you and that is a large popular a lot of people uh okay that people who have run

04:06:43.900 countries yes which i disagree with we would both disagree my argument but what is that people know

04:06:49.840 that it's inherently wrong so you think they know but they just but they just do what's convenient

04:06:54.440 to them absolutely i believe people when they tell me who they are and i think that communists do

04:06:59.000 think hey you have a ton of money you have a ton of money and that's why i don't have money and so

04:07:05.160 i need to take it yes i think they do believe that okay this is just differing values i think

04:07:10.520 that they know i thought you talk to people all the time about this yeah so you just think

04:07:15.280 everybody secretly knows what's right and wrong and the only reason they argue against it is

04:07:20.180 because they're like benefits them in certain cases yeah oh kind of like you arguing in favor

04:07:25.920 of feminism even though you know what's wrong when have i argued this whole podcast in favor

04:07:31.420 of feminism you have argued for feminism this whole podcast yes you have again my only two

04:07:36.780 points rachel what do you think is feminism then and you said i don't care about the definition

04:07:41.300 but i want you to define it what's feminism i'll tell you what it's not how do you know you're not

04:07:45.160 a feminist i'll tell you what it's not if you don't know what it is let me speak rachel um i'll

04:07:50.300 tell you what it's not feminism is not uh wanting women to have a vote and financial equality just

04:07:58.380 more bullshit just more that is it rachel what is that is what is feminism 90 would you say what is

04:08:05.300 feminist if you're against feminism what is it that you're against is everybody no answer my

04:08:10.640 question don't ask me a question answer my question andrew knows um don't ask me a question

04:08:18.020 answer my question what is feminism if you say you're not a feminist for the question you can't

04:08:23.560 dodge that question it's the heart of the debate material to the conversation what do i think

04:08:27.840 modern feminism is right now it is promoting uh trans rights just things that have nothing to do

04:08:37.440 with equality between the sexes but pushing things that give privileges to women above

04:08:43.980 the sexes so modern feminism argues for privileges for women not for equality equality between the

04:08:52.720 sexes is not feminism does that make sense to you does that answer your question so would you say

04:08:57.780 you would be in favor of like first wave feminism then the only thing i agree with is voting rights

04:09:05.140 So legal equality, legal personhood, is that so hard of a concept?

04:09:09.580 Anything outside of that, I don't care for, don't agree with, and I think is you arguing for privileges in society, which I don't agree with, and I don't agree with feminism as a result.

04:09:23.120 Most women, Democrat, Republican, whatever, agree with the concept that women should have the right to vote and equal financial opportunity to—

04:09:35.120 that you've told me all of that so at least you gave me the nine percent of the women uh are

04:09:40.000 feminists everybody is a feminist but you yes we have been lit no not everybody but me okay

04:09:45.480 we curl or anyone born okay now let me answer go for your question anyone born after 1960 has been

04:09:54.640 living and swimming in feminist water their whole life they don't know anything else it's the ethos

04:10:00.660 it's the I wasn't it's the air that we breathe I was raised in a Cuban household by immigrant

04:10:05.480 parents that escaped communism so no I did not but continue well but you live and were raised in

04:10:11.260 and are part of this culture and none of us completely escaped that everything you've said

04:10:16.440 from your worldview here you think it's equality but let me let me posit this to you women there

04:10:22.900 was already equality before this political feminism is just a political arm of like a

04:10:29.520 basically a spiritual movement that's why I wrote the book it has multiple meanings but

04:10:34.020 we had equality the equality was this women have always been the gatekeepers of sex and who gets

04:10:41.560 to reproduce that's why every one of us alive today has twice as many female ancestors as we

04:10:46.440 have male ancestors the only thing you ever had to do historically in order to be picked and have

04:10:53.800 kids which you know at a base level what we're trying to do is reproduce ourselves to get our

04:11:00.220 dna to continue on into the future all you had to do as a women to accomplish that is be fertile

04:11:05.240 someone will fertilize you that's all you had to do it doesn't matter you can be kind of ugly you

04:11:09.100 can be fat you can be not so interesting you don't have to do much you just have to be there and have

04:11:13.660 eggs men historically had to survive danger they had to have respect they had to have resources

04:11:21.060 they had to be picked or at least be picked by the girl's father or something of that nature

04:11:25.800 that by force actually they didn't have to do any of that they didn't have to be well it depends so

04:11:30.060 but then but even by force you're competing against all the other men so that's why you

04:11:34.920 had war brides historically if the vikings could come in and conquer your nation they could take

04:11:39.960 your women so you as a man had to defend your nation from the invaders because you don't want

04:11:45.640 them to take your women because then they take her eggs and now your people are their people

04:11:49.640 So this is like a fundamentally historical thing that has not gone away.

04:11:54.780 And what we did with feminism was we gave women more power by letting them retain the

04:12:01.700 gatekeeping to sex and the gatekeeping to reproduction, and women still have their sexual

04:12:06.580 power, their spiritual power that they've always used.

04:12:09.380 And now they have political and legal power, and what they've done is stacked the deck

04:12:15.000 against men.

04:12:16.020 and in doing so unwittingly stacked the deck against themselves and against humanity because

04:12:21.660 now look at what we have we have no kids we can't replace our own population we have to import

04:12:27.440 invaders from the outside world to both wait just let me finish just let me finish go we have to we

04:12:34.060 are forced like this is where republicans get it wrong if you want to stop immigration you've got

04:12:39.520 to increase the birth rate because we will not have a labor force if we don't do that and you

04:12:44.600 can't increase the labor force if you're telling women to delay childbirth and marriage in order

04:12:49.720 to have a career we are in a conundrum it's a catch-22 and so that's why you don't focus on

04:12:56.440 rights you focus on duties and you focus on responsibilities you say individual responsibility

04:13:01.720 that's part of it but part of individual responsibility is also maintaining your

04:13:07.040 tribe and your community and your culture and your society as a whole because your individual

04:13:12.460 rights will go away we're on the edge right now of this all falling apart and then strong men will

04:13:20.560 take back over and your women's rights will go bye-bye okay uh first they need to get their

04:13:25.600 testosterone levels up because right now they are decreasing on average one percent you know why

04:13:31.200 one percent every year since yeah do you know why 1980s uh that's really bad do you know why

04:13:38.640 do you think men can just like what how do they just get their testosterone back up

04:13:43.400 they have to focus on themselves as individuals Rachel oh I see guys just focus on yourself as

04:13:51.080 an individual your testosterone will go through the roof because right now it is true that uh

04:13:56.180 outside factors are affecting this they're poisoning our food they're poisoning our water

04:14:00.700 our environment uh so let's focus we and we can't really do anything about that ourselves as

04:14:07.560 individuals, we can't fix the problem. We can only take care of ourselves. And by taking care of

04:14:13.300 ourselves as individuals, we do help society as a whole. That is my argument. Yeah, but what you

04:14:20.280 just did is something else that you've been doing all night, which is conflating the problems of

04:14:24.940 post-industrialization and technology with rights. Where have I mentioned industrialization or

04:14:30.940 technology? You haven't mentioned it, but you don't understand that the problems you're putting

04:14:35.640 on men and the problems you're putting on like gender inequality that's not the root of those

04:14:40.400 problems the root of those problems is industrialization and technology the same

04:14:45.520 industrialization and technology that allows you to be a feminist okay and that's not going away

04:14:51.080 anytime soon unfortunately or fortunately it doesn't matter it is reality right so what are

04:14:56.400 you going to do other than well it's a reality when you don't like it but when i say what's a

04:15:00.680 reality then you just go no let me finish talking on that point it is a reality so what are you

04:15:05.580 going to do just sit there and complain that we can't go back to how things were we can't do a

04:15:10.220 time about going back um because that is basically what you're prescribing and again everything that

04:15:16.540 you have described still doesn't give any kind of solid argument as to why you believe or not you

04:15:25.700 believe as to why women should not have the right to vote which is my argument that again you're

04:15:31.900 not gonna convince me differently you're are i know because you're stuck people you're stuck

04:15:37.040 in a paradigm where everyone votes i'm saying if you take away this you don't have to start with

04:15:43.480 the presupposition that everyone needs to be able to vote we never did that things that way except

04:15:48.860 for the last hundred years all of human history nobody voted and we have nobody needs to vote and

04:15:54.640 We have a higher, despite all of our problems, we do have a higher quality of life right now.

04:16:01.280 But not because of voting.

04:16:02.740 This is what I'm saying.

04:16:04.200 She's, life has improved.

04:16:06.760 No, life has improved because of technology, because of advancements in things like medical

04:16:11.880 care, clean water industry, and like globally being able to ship supplies to where they

04:16:17.320 need to go.

04:16:18.060 That's what's given us a better quality of life.

04:16:20.440 Not voting.

04:16:21.800 That's one aspect.

04:16:22.940 Letting women vote.

04:16:23.940 did how did women voting improve life for us tell me rachel you have a monocausal uh no i don't

04:16:31.760 you do why things are no you have that no you have a monocausal argument which is women's voting

04:16:39.880 uh is what destroyed no i've never said women's voting the voting is a side issue to me okay

04:16:46.840 there's other main issue to me and to you but it's not to me and you keep projecting that on me

04:16:52.560 nobody gives a fuck about women voting why do you think that women we care no we care about the

04:16:58.620 overall effects of artificially placing women in a strata of power that they have no business being

04:17:05.640 in because it's deeply unnatural you may not feel comfortable with that no it's it's unnatural

04:17:11.400 because they're only we're we're it may not be we're blowing smoke up women's asses they are

04:17:17.480 only there because of a subset of men that go yes sweetie you can be in the government go ahead

04:17:22.540 we'll do whatever you say there's plenty of women in the government it's all an illusion

04:17:26.680 for you this is again personal opinion there are plenty of intelligent capable women in

04:17:33.480 roles of government that uh are good at what they do and uh we respect in fact i'm not saying women

04:17:39.320 can't be smart and use their brains and think yeah in fact most that has no bearing on the fact

04:17:43.980 talking god you'll never finish talking uh you've been saying the same thing for the last five hours

04:17:50.480 and you don't even understand what you're talking about a lot of women that work until

04:17:54.320 in the intelligence community because you know why for a job like that you have to have both

04:18:00.560 you don't need voting rights intelligence you don't need voting rights emotional intelligence

04:18:05.580 women can work in intelligence and they don't need political power what i'm your argument is

04:18:10.880 that all women are emotional all women are irrational and they are not fit for that's not

04:18:17.020 of leadership or roles in government. You said that 30 seconds, a minute ago. It's part of it.

04:18:23.160 You only hear one thing because your mind can only think about one thing at a time.

04:18:27.520 No. You're not very good at taking multiple variables and combining them. No, you are

04:18:33.120 actually just bad, again, at coping with the reality that women are not a monolith. You're

04:18:39.760 bad at coping with the reality that you only have any rights or have this illusion that you can do

04:18:45.120 the things you can do because men have let you do it men have invented technology and granted you

04:18:51.020 rights that let you do it the reality is me i'm the one that lives in reality and goes oh this is

04:18:56.560 all an illusion the if the wizard of oz wants to take it away tomorrow it's gone okay so that's

04:19:02.680 not and it's not how things have worked except for the last hundred years when you go back home

04:19:08.280 you think all of history was wrong except for the last century uh i think that not even the last

04:19:14.300 century i think at least until after they passed the equal credit opportunity act in 1974 things

04:19:22.040 were wrong because women didn't have financial opportunity so then what are you trying to

04:19:27.180 conserve if everything we did before 1975 was wrong what do you want to conserve putting words

04:19:33.420 in my mouth why did i why did you say everything we did i just asked you was all of history

04:19:38.180 things were just wrong until 1975. That one thing was wrong. Not letting women have financial

04:19:45.300 freedom was wrong. That is the thing. We let them though. Do you not understand that it wasn't that

04:19:54.040 women were denied. It's that we didn't have technology. We didn't have industry. The natural

04:19:59.160 state of things is that women cannot survive alone. We are not rugged individualists. We're

04:20:03.880 meant to spend most of our life pregnant and breastfeeding and watching toddlers that is what

04:20:08.860 we're meant to do in your birth no what about birth control in your opinion rachel prior to

04:20:14.940 birth control there was no option there was no option you ended up pregnant who invented birth

04:20:20.860 control it was men rachel to make women more accessible and so you think we should take away

04:20:26.980 birth control because the bad men created it i don't agree with the taking of hormonal birth

04:20:31.880 control because it wrecks havoc on women's bodies but again I agree with you you just brought up

04:20:37.300 but if you do that you realize well what do you think will happen we need you here what do you

04:20:42.760 think will happen if we need a man on this table Brian I got her to stop I got her boys to stop

04:20:49.340 the interruptions what do you think happens if we take away from a highly hysterical woman that

04:20:55.000 can't control herself or her emotions oh that's beautiful cope for the for the girl who can't

04:21:00.560 think past level two and has been getting her ass beat this whole debate that's so cute sure it's a

04:21:05.960 good thing you're pretty most uh most rational people watching um are gonna disagree with that

04:21:11.760 statement but we'll see again we'll see again uh rachel you still can't make okay so we take away

04:21:19.280 hormonal birth control where's your girl bossing gonna go then uh in taking back control of our

04:21:25.300 cycles do you know oh this is something that really pissed off brian you think that these

04:21:29.960 22 year old only fans chicks and these promiscuous college girls they're getting blackout drunk every

04:21:35.620 weekend they're gonna like take a break from that when during their and they're gonna take keep

04:21:40.420 track of their site get the fuck out of here that's so ridiculous it's actually very easy

04:21:44.360 birth control is actually the main technology that has enabled feminism and if you got rid of

04:21:49.240 hormonal birth control tomorrow your feminism is gone so we're both against uh yeah birth

04:21:54.980 control fastest way to get rid of feminism fastest way to get rid of all this nonsense

04:21:59.700 pretending that women can run everything when they can't look at that we are agreeing on something

04:22:05.560 towards the end of this episode but we are agreeing for different reasons you yeah you don't

04:22:11.400 understand the logical entailment of your position as usual you are arguing against it uh because it

04:22:19.000 would end feminism in your opinion i argue against it because it is uh terrible it's like

04:22:25.520 it's like giving people poison basically it's almost like trying to avoid getting pregnant

04:22:30.560 your whole life so you can have sex is really bad uh sure seems like that's bad we agree on

04:22:37.600 that same point um and again it all goes back to what rachel individual and so if all the women

04:22:43.560 are ending up pregnant how many of them are going to be girl bossing so okay I'm sure great fantastic

04:22:49.940 you'd love that uh well why do you think are we gonna do the whole why do you think feminism

04:22:54.060 didn't come about until 50 years ago on my phone or no I just want to ask you a question uh-huh

04:22:59.280 why did feminism not come about until after the technology allowed it why wasn't there feminism

04:23:06.520 500 years ago if women just were dying to get out of their situation why didn't they do something

04:23:11.340 about it 200 500 a thousand years ago the title may have existed only within recent historical

04:23:18.460 concepts but i think throughout human history yes there have been rowdy women advocating for

04:23:25.020 rights right but we it's not but now feminism is not documented as feminism uh yes but now it's

04:23:33.080 the dominant thing that everywhere the case everywhere in the west feminism is the dominant

04:23:38.320 thing equal rights for women women in politics women in power women in business right why do

04:23:44.680 you think they didn't do that until 50 years ago uh rachel i'm not again here to argue i don't know

04:23:52.180 and i don't care because i don't like thinking about things i'll tell you why uh because we

04:23:56.100 didn't have birth control we didn't have technology do i just like tap this well i'm tired of just

04:24:01.300 listening to you endlessly prattle so now i'm gonna prattle back a little bit you've been the

04:24:05.260 one mostly chats yeah let's do some chats we gotta do some chats you've been the one mostly

04:24:09.440 interrupting uh during this entire time because you don't i'm very dominant because you don't

04:24:15.220 i'm a very dominant woman i don't have good arguments no oh honey i can't wait for you to

04:24:21.260 read the comments you don't want to listen to valid ones that's adorable that's so cute it's

04:24:27.680 from somebody who went to college for politics and doesn't know she's a libertarian that's cute

04:24:32.780 it is called the heckler's veto so you don't let people talk um so that people can get their

04:24:39.440 point across that's what you've been doing poll in the chat of who has interrupted and prattled

04:24:44.840 the most it's not me we got to the end and i was just like fuck it i'm just gonna talk over her at

04:24:49.440 this point we actually did yes so you did wait really quick we did do a poll because i think

04:24:54.120 you had asked or there was a discussion between the both of you as to who would be most likely

04:24:59.920 to get lobotomized and the results the results from you uh i think he was skewing quite heavily

04:25:08.720 towards you being the one i am so surprised i'm so surprised by those results from this audience

04:25:16.160 can you get an elective are you such a hater why do you gotta hate on millions of people to watch

04:25:21.260 this show are they all incels um if a lot of them are uh i'm here to try to help them not be

04:25:29.300 oh thank god and what you are we do without your help and what you are prescribing them

04:25:34.480 we got chats we got and what you are prescribing them is going to keep them as incels for much

04:25:39.440 much longer rachel so you're not doing them any kind of favor right i i doubt this but okay uh

04:25:46.640 we have base justin here so men should lead the government based on what the what the women who

04:25:51.440 voted them into power want define leadership please and of course your husband can only lead

04:25:57.680 if you completely agree got it tick tock quick response to this but then i need to get through

04:26:05.480 the rest of the chats that uh okay that whole argument just doesn't make any sense to me

04:26:10.840 period well it was i think on the back of the question i asked you if uh you believe that men

04:26:18.300 should lead both on the micro and the macro level you agreed to that yeah and primarily

04:26:24.060 What happens when a singular woman or women, plural, disagree with men's leadership?

04:26:33.060 Do you defer to their leadership despite disagreeing with their decision?

04:26:36.680 Or do you veto their leadership?

04:26:39.880 I think that right is right and wrong is wrong.

04:26:44.100 And what...

04:26:45.620 Who's the arbiter of that?

04:26:47.620 Facts, right?

04:26:48.500 Facts don't care about your feelings.

04:26:50.120 If a man...

04:26:50.640 Facts determine what's right and wrong?

04:26:52.080 Yeah, if a man, you know, says, you know, because of the fact that I am a man, I determined this, but this is just wrong, then it's wrong.

04:27:01.980 Would it be established by consensus?

04:27:05.400 It has to be verifiable fact, right?

04:27:08.960 So if a man says, I don't even know what example to come up with.

04:27:14.720 What if all the women were in favor of open borders and men were against it?

04:27:20.280 And because you might have people on the left, for example, I mean, you're both conservative.

04:27:24.820 You have people on or at least right.

04:27:27.460 It's wrong to allow open borders, whether the man wants it, whether the woman wants it.

04:27:32.840 But leftists will forward arguments about how, well, there's actually economic benefits to having immigration to this level.

04:27:40.760 Well, then we'd have to bring out little notes and facts and show how it's not.

04:27:45.740 In fact, there's plenty of not just studies.

04:27:49.040 This is just facts from the government how migration is a net detriment to society.

04:27:55.740 Pretty much migrants from everywhere.

04:27:56.780 But people have other facts contrary to that.

04:27:59.060 No, there's no such thing as different facts.

04:28:02.100 Liberals and leftists will forward contrary facts.

04:28:04.580 They can pull studies.

04:28:07.000 There's no such thing as brute facts.

04:28:08.700 It always depends on framing.

04:28:10.360 It always depends on context and framing.

04:28:12.760 Yes, this is why I say you're not capable of thinking past level one.

04:28:16.800 So, for example, Rachel, when it comes to the argument that Brian just mentioned, they took a sample of migrants that were in the country for 30 years, and they broke it up into the nationality that they come from, and they saw that no matter the nationality, they were a net tax burden on society, i.e.

04:28:43.020 Are women a net tax burden on society?

04:28:45.280 No, I think you pulled that up last time and showed that that was not the case.

04:28:49.220 I think it did show that it was the case.

04:28:51.320 Okay, but I would love to chime in on that if I can.

04:28:54.120 Really quick, though, really quick.

04:28:55.420 Here, let's do this.

04:28:56.320 That is a fact.

04:28:57.140 Let me let a few more chats come through.

04:28:58.740 Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video.

04:29:00.900 What are we on likes?

04:29:02.200 I think we just hit 4,000 likes.

04:29:04.540 We still have about 9,000 people viewing just here on whatever.

04:29:08.320 We have another 1,000 on Twitch, a couple hundred on Kik.

04:29:11.520 And then I think there's like 5,000, 6,000 watching on the Crucible.

04:29:16.820 Guys, can we get the likes to 5,000 likes?

04:29:19.340 We're at 4,000 likes.

04:29:20.460 Let's get it to 5,000.

04:29:22.060 Let me let a few chats come through.

04:29:23.700 We do have Doofus here.

04:29:26.880 That's his name.

04:29:27.900 Doofus.

04:29:28.660 All right, woman.

04:29:30.120 Come change my toilet and fix my washer and then grill.

04:29:33.940 Then provide for the family.

04:29:36.860 That is from Doofus.

04:29:39.180 thank you doofus and he has a follow-up which reads she doesn't even know it's coming in just

04:29:47.320 a moment she doesn't even know what a straw man is that's his follow-up there he gave two hundred

04:29:54.520 dollars to to just write that yes he he did it's a very good point though could have taken a lady

04:30:01.980 out on a date for that amount of money and actually could you tell us how we get how do

04:30:06.820 we get an ought from an is? Because that's what he was addressing. You're saying facts are just

04:30:12.160 facts and I have facts. Okay, you have facts. How do the facts tell us what we should or ought do?

04:30:19.680 So it takes rational, rational people coming to having a discussion and presenting the facts.

04:30:26.380 What are you, what are you trying to argue? You should look up Hume's guillotine when you get

04:30:29.800 home. I know you don't do philosophy, but there is no way to get, there is no way to get an ought

04:30:35.180 from an is you can't say this is the case so like if you said somebody on the show said this recently

04:30:41.020 they were talking about this like specific example yeah you know it's cold outside

04:30:46.500 therefore you ought fix your refrigerator like you can't take something that is the case and

04:30:54.200 then extrapolate a moral ought from it so if you say that's a terrible example i'm sure it's probably

04:30:59.600 a terrible example but how do you jump from saying this is the fact of the matter to this is what we

04:31:04.560 ought to do about it because everyone's going to have different ideas about what we ought to do

04:31:08.540 about it which is something you said yourself you're like democrats will get into office and

04:31:12.520 they'll have a totally different view and they'll say we ought to do this instead yes uh it doesn't

04:31:18.160 change again it doesn't change the facts behind it right so democrats are going to say oh we ought

04:31:24.440 to allow open borders the facts are that that negatively impacts our country whether they

04:31:31.280 do it or not or allow it or not it doesn't change but as brian said that it's detrimental but then

04:31:36.620 they'll just so you'll say here's the reasons we think it's bad and they'll say here's the

04:31:40.540 reasons we think it's good they have no good logical reasons but the facts don't tell other

04:31:45.940 than oh cultural enrichment or diversity we do have a response from doofus here uh he says he

04:31:53.400 is a man and he can afford to because he's worked for a living good that's 300 now that could have

04:32:00.600 gone to something more productive to a woman to a woman than this should he have spent it on only

04:32:05.680 fans instead of this he probably does that as well i i would how would you what happens would

04:32:11.140 you have i would bet money on that too um or some kind of pornography but uh again just men should

04:32:20.200 spend more money on a date than paid than than be a patron of a podcast again coming uh totally

04:32:28.520 understand uh the point of of self-interest there so i i get it right well in any case we have let

04:32:35.280 me get through the rest of the chats red fox 11 femcon are you a good example for women

04:32:41.020 where's the femcon are they sitting back there i think it's that's you it might be you oh it's

04:32:48.000 definitely not me i'm like trying to look for her i'm con look you can say you're not a feminist

04:32:52.600 but the facts demonstrate that you are the fact is that all of your positions are feminist and

04:32:59.100 classical liberal and you are the fact is you're not a conservative sure and you're a feminist sure

04:33:04.960 you're a libertarian left-leaning feminist based on the facts absolutely wild um again i think that

04:33:12.920 people watching this that have two cents two brain cells will determine the opposite of that

04:33:19.720 I think that you just come from a position.

04:33:21.600 I don't think they will.

04:33:22.780 I think you grossly underestimate.

04:33:25.520 I think you come from a position of self-condescension.

04:33:27.400 You grossly overestimate your intelligence.

04:33:30.620 And you grossly underestimate the intelligence of normal people to understand what just happened here.

04:33:35.020 I think you grossly mischaracterize people's intelligence in your own mind.

04:33:39.840 No, just yours.

04:33:40.660 And it makes you.

04:33:41.620 Just yours.

04:33:42.980 Look, I can't explain the is-ought gap to you.

04:33:45.580 You don't understand it.

04:33:47.000 And I don't know how to fix that for you.

04:33:48.760 you don't understand that there's no such thing as brute facts that don't have context and you

04:33:55.640 don't understand that you can't take an is or an ought prescription for what we should do in a

04:34:00.560 moral quandary from a brute fact i i don't know why you don't get that but i get i get what you're

04:34:06.280 saying rachel you're the one making the ought argument we ought to you are you're saying we

04:34:12.640 ought to grant rights we ought to give women this we ought to not allow women to vote she doesn't

04:34:19.000 even understand that this whole time she's just been asserting ought claims the whole time she's

04:34:23.840 just been going we ought to have rights we ought to let women do the whole time has just been you

04:34:28.840 asserting ought claims and when i say what do you base that on what's your epistemology where do you

04:34:34.360 get that from you just say i just think and i just you said the closest you got to was naturalism

04:34:40.400 but naturalism natural law would dictate patriarchy patriarchy would be natural law

04:34:46.880 too much and you reject patriarchy you want equality equality is not natural the natural

04:34:52.680 world does not have any concept of equality and and you don't legal framework legal framework

04:34:58.660 is not determined on naturalism oh my gosh is not determined on different kinds

04:35:05.580 Adriana, I got to let this.

04:35:07.240 Facts don't care about feelings.

04:35:08.720 Rachel, why do you have a joint bank account with Andrew?

04:35:12.020 Don't you trust your husband to manage all finances by himself?

04:35:15.360 The men will never take rights from the women, so who cares if they can?

04:35:20.680 What?

04:35:21.180 They're asking why I have a joint bank account?

04:35:23.040 I said I don't have bank accounts in my own name.

04:35:26.860 Yeah, she said, why do you even have a joint one?

04:35:29.380 Why doesn't Andrew have the bank account himself?

04:35:32.620 He does have multiple accounts that are only in his name.

04:35:35.120 the only one i have access to is the one that he wants me paying bills out of because i do the

04:35:39.960 paperwork part of the budget every month okay so that's their argument is why you know do you have

04:35:45.480 a joint one so that i can so that i can do the bills because he told me to do the bill he says

04:35:51.060 i don't like doing paperwork and bills i'd rather you handle all that so i'm gonna put that money

04:35:56.120 that i want you to distribute to bills in that account and that's what you can use to shop and

04:36:00.760 pay for things. He's got his own accounts. There is one, yeah, one joint account. So what do you

04:36:06.780 think about this though? So Andrew, um, and he's been doing this, he's been financially abusing

04:36:13.800 Rachel for years. You know, it's crazy. You know, her, her book, her book royalties, the, the money

04:36:21.140 she makes from her book, uh, Andrew steals that from Rachel and buys firearms. How do you feel

04:36:28.560 about that how do you feel about that how do you know what i what i will say is when i first spoke

04:36:33.860 to your uh husband well do you want to address the stealing of the book royalties yes you know

04:36:39.860 poor rachel we need to start a go and fund me for rachel to have the financial freedom andrew will

04:36:45.600 also steal to uh afford to afford financial independence and and choose you know what to

04:36:52.540 do with her life no when i first uh but i've already chosen what i want to do with my life

04:36:57.440 and it's to honor and serve my husband when I first heard I'm very happy I don't need your help

04:37:03.940 you have listen you have nothing I want thinking of starting you have nothing in life that I want

04:37:09.780 I've got kids I've got a husband I've accomplished a lot in the intellectual I've done everything

04:37:16.160 there's nothing you have that I want so please don't help me please I don't want your help

04:37:20.960 likewise um you said you wanted to have a husband and kids and i am it's a timeline matter not a

04:37:27.680 okay so i do have i do have your eggs frozen i'm goals you asked me the same question for her you

04:37:33.640 guys are your eggs have you frozen your eggs uh no i have not frozen my eggs my eggs are fine

04:37:41.700 i believe it i believe it yeah my eggs are fine it's it's more the men that quite literally need

04:37:48.120 to be checking up on their, um, the same. I love how you think that you're going to win over the

04:37:54.080 public opinion by constantly insulting men. I'm not insulting men. Oh, you've been insulting men

04:37:58.960 this whole podcast. I'm telling men. I'm telling men. Unhealthy. They have. I'm telling them how

04:38:05.800 they can be better. They have the testosterone level of their grandparents in this day and age

04:38:11.300 as the average testosterone for men within their thirties and their forties. My grandma would be

04:38:17.040 like you know what you want to talk about people's grandparents if my grandma was here she'd be like

04:38:22.200 if you want kids you better get on it so i mean like let's not talk shit about all the men i like

04:38:28.140 let's not talk shit about the men that's all you've done this whole show i have not calling

04:38:33.160 them incels telling them how they're not good enough telling them where they need to do better

04:38:36.580 men be better uh if the men be better the women will be better after but you have to be better

04:38:42.620 first and you have to lead but only the way that we want you to lead if you let if you lead in the

04:38:49.400 way that we approve of then we'll let you lead and then we'll do stuff if we want to but it just

04:38:55.100 depends we have a hysteric we have a hysteric woman here maybe we need a lobotomy i'm doing

04:38:59.380 an impression of you i'm gonna lobotomize both of you how about that here look let's uh let me

04:39:04.440 re-get through some of the chats wait wait hold on hold on we got some chats we got pasty george

04:39:10.240 Hey, it's our good friend, Pasty George.

04:39:11.980 Guys, I think it's been a month or two.

04:39:13.360 Can we get some doggies in the chat for Pasty George?

04:39:15.740 It's been a while since we've seen the guy.

04:39:17.200 Thank you, man.

04:39:17.980 Brian, could you please make a poll asking the chat who they think, Rachel or...

04:39:21.900 They spelled it wrong.

04:39:24.040 Can I call you Big D?

04:39:25.840 No, we need to get people on the right page.

04:39:31.160 Hold on, I'll finish it.

04:39:33.160 Is making the more valid points in their arguments using facts rather than hearsay anecdotes?

04:39:38.240 I did do that for who would be most likely to be lobotomized.

04:39:43.260 I could do that once I get through the chats.

04:39:46.060 But, Pacey George, good to see you.

04:39:47.660 We have, guys, and if you want to get messages in, now's a good time.

04:39:51.800 We have, I am right.

04:39:53.300 If I tell you the sky color is red, you can never tell me I'm wrong because, as a man, if it is up to me, I can force you into a cage and hurt you until you tell me I'm right.

04:40:06.460 Sorry, lady.

04:40:08.240 That kind of proves my point.

04:40:10.640 He's being hyperbolic.

04:40:11.940 I know, but that proves my point that it still doesn't make it a reality.

04:40:16.640 That's literally the argument I've been going up against Rachel.

04:40:19.220 It's actually reality, though.

04:40:21.220 Yes, it doesn't change the fact of the sky being a different color.

04:40:25.960 Oh, I thought you meant money in the cage.

04:40:28.600 Oh, this comes through as a TTS.

04:40:32.100 Thank you, Sam.

04:40:32.840 Explain Hume's guillotine, please.

04:40:35.240 It's pertinent to this debate.

04:40:37.040 Rachel if I can then explain uh something else that you obviously are not an expert on but sure

04:40:44.580 go ahead the luteal phases or whatever oh god not the luteal phases I don't know I know I know

04:40:50.320 kind of a lot about that I've had a lot of babies and female things uh well just to put it like

04:40:56.180 super plainly because I'm not a specialist in this Andrew is I'm okay at philosophy I'm good

04:41:01.780 at basic logic I'm pretty good at like fallacies and spotting them and stuff like that but

04:41:06.100 it's just the idea that you can't take an is statement and get a moral ought from that

04:41:12.740 statement it was a it's a classical philosophical problem that Hume kind of popularized and it just

04:41:20.960 people assume that if they just state facts that the logical inference of what morally should be

04:41:27.860 done about them is obvious and that's not the case and she couldn't prove it was the case the

04:41:32.780 time so sure before you get into the luteal phases or whatever yeah might as well get something

04:41:40.040 tiffany can you pull up twitch really quick guys if you're enjoying the stream like the video get

04:41:44.700 us get us to 5 000 likes also guys if you have a twitch account uh drop us a follow and if you

04:41:49.540 have a prime sub drop us a prime if you have amazon prime you can link it to her twitch quick

04:41:54.380 for easy way to support the show every single month guys can you get us we need four followers

04:41:59.220 to get to 121,000 followers.

04:42:02.300 And drop us a Prime sub if you have one available.

04:42:04.280 We barely run any ads over there on Twitch, only three per hour.

04:42:07.720 That's the minimum you can run without somebody getting hit with a pre-roll.

04:42:11.480 So show us some love.

04:42:12.300 Drop us a Prime sub over there on Twitch.

04:42:15.340 We have some more chats coming in.

04:42:17.040 We have Turbo Bill.

04:42:20.280 TPUSA Femcon, instead of asking why people are sending in money to ask the questions,

04:42:25.060 why not just answer the fuking questions?

04:42:27.700 such a bad faith guest avoiding super chats somebody needs to you know just calm down a

04:42:36.900 little before typing things out such passive aggressive stuff to constantly accuse oh my god

04:42:42.620 are you mad i made you mad wow are you crashing out such a gen z thing dude why are you crashing

04:42:49.380 out right now oh my gosh and people are like i think she might be a millennial are you i think

04:42:54.120 i'm a millennial you're gen x tiktok brain uh oh that's gen z um are you on tiktok though a lot

04:43:02.440 i am on tiktok for work reasons because i'm in media and and marketing um but yeah accusing other

04:43:10.760 people of like getting upset and losing their cool when they're clearly not is like a gen z meme

04:43:16.800 you yeah i'm not plenty of times before yeah okay doofus here is just doing a little follow-up

04:43:23.420 i mean the guy you wish you know for some of these guys this is what no 350 we're at 350 from

04:43:30.260 it is below the threshold but you know some of these guys you know they they're patrons of the

04:43:34.360 show they want to they of course we got to put on more debates you know so they want to support the

04:43:39.260 show and i mean this guy probably wants to pop a ball of champagne or something at this point i

04:43:43.940 don't know but uh oh wait i already showed this one my apologies we have one coming in from the

04:43:49.700 unknown soldier uh it's going to be a bit of a delay but he writes she's the epitome of the

04:43:55.500 utterly failed education system in america she's too dumb and has way too much ego to recognize it

04:44:02.680 like all college educated women listen to your conscious conscious brian so all college educated

04:44:13.020 Does he mean the super chatter conscious Brian's consciousness or whatever it is?

04:44:18.020 All college educated women have too much ego.

04:44:22.540 And yeah, that's probably another reason why you are.

04:44:25.980 They do tend to be overly confident in their intellectual capabilities.

04:44:30.220 It sounds like somebody's ego is threatened by educated women.

04:44:36.160 Well, we have Piano Dean and he says, it's amazing how many times in this debate,

04:44:41.440 drianna okay you got it you got it right he wrote it right has agreed with rachel yet somehow

04:44:49.860 believing she won the point thank you piano dean and by the way thank you everyone else who has

04:44:55.800 sent in messages uh you can yeah because the only thing i disagree with rachel on is on women voting

04:45:03.140 well you disagree on quite a bit more than that and uh having equal financial rights so being

04:45:09.060 an equivalent to men according to the law which is just rational and a conservative position again

04:45:15.660 missing the is-ought gap and you had a lot more to say that you disagreed with you brought several

04:45:20.660 color-coded folders which very those were just printed yeah i'm just saying you clearly had a

04:45:26.980 whole bunch of stuff and no you don't agree with me on anything you you don't agree with me that

04:45:33.200 you're a libertarian you don't agree with me that you're a feminist uh no you don't agree with me

04:45:37.660 that women don't need political power in order to not be oppressed you think that unless they

04:45:42.640 have financial and political power they're somehow if i call you if i call you something you're not

04:45:48.600 if i call you a self-hating are a self-hating woman you are does that make you're like the

04:45:54.260 trans people who are like but i identify as a conservative though and i'm like you don't hold

04:45:58.240 any conservative positions and you're like but i call myself what i identify as conservative

04:46:03.400 you've you are the one that have explicitly said you're not a conservative right not you're not

04:46:10.560 way further right than that you're not a constitutionalist you do not believe in the

04:46:15.200 u.s constitution you do not believe in a constitutional republic you believe in a

04:46:20.680 monarchy i think you could have i think you could conceive of a constitutional republic that could

04:46:25.860 work but you'd have to you'd have to limit suffrage or you get progressivism and the end

04:46:31.000 result is this garbage we have now that's you that's what will happen every time i prefer a

04:46:35.520 monarchy yes um church and state working together it's called symfonia the byzantine empire which

04:46:42.180 was the longest lasting empire in history had this system and yes i think it's compatible with

04:46:47.420 western values or uh conservatism in the united states american conservatism is dead and has

04:46:54.480 been since pat buchanan fell out of the limelight so we should just not do anything and i don't

04:47:00.240 believe in western values that's why i'm not i'm not a western liberal you are a classical liberal

04:47:05.420 that's western values you believe american classical liberalism is your ethos it is not

04:47:11.980 mine i don't mind again trying to box me into certain labels and that's not exactly how that

04:47:19.040 came through right now the 50 year old woman doesn't know how to control her emotions

04:47:23.280 of course this audience is going to like rachel the promiscuous okay well i'm not

04:47:28.480 i'm not gonna address that but at all i've never been promiscuous so yeah and i haven't uh gone

04:47:37.400 there and attacking her uh scoot like one inch there's a lot of rumors that you hear about me

04:47:43.540 online that are not true so it's probably good that you didn't go there because it i didn't even

04:47:48.240 the only thing i know is obviously you have children from previous marriages and you know

04:47:55.200 there's three or previous relationships and you have children from two previous relationships from

04:48:00.020 three different relationships is what is online also because you and andrew have done a really

04:48:04.580 good job at cleaning up your online uh presence i actually had somebody reach out to me who's uh

04:48:11.440 a private investigator um because they watched the first show and they're like oh my gosh you know

04:48:16.620 this guy's kind of crazy your husband i wonder who he is hold on if yeah i wonder who he is and

04:48:22.920 feels like it's getting into like a dox no and then uh territory i don't want to go no no no a

04:48:28.180 private investigator huh yeah oh yeah reached out to me and anybody who tries to dig into your shit

04:48:35.280 online and then tried to find info on you online and my point is that i don't think that's fair to

04:48:40.460 reveal do you know why i don't think that's fair to reveal things some private investigator it's

04:48:45.460 hard to find stuff on me because we're old and i don't like we didn't have an online life until

04:48:51.400 like five years ago there's there's that's immaterial to the conversation uh alan roach

04:48:56.740 hold on alan roach oh baloney alan roach uh a hundred dollar australian just grant or give her

04:49:05.560 the unborn males it makes no difference they will not survive long enough to raise them

04:49:10.240 and would not have the skills to teach them that's correct this did come in i thought about going

04:49:15.220 into that but it's just like she just stonewalls and obfuscates so it doesn't matter all right we

04:49:22.980 have uh andrew thrasher here good evening whatever podcast former senior airman andrew thrasher here

04:49:30.160 question for the fake conservative what exactly do you bring to society what makes you a productive

04:49:35.860 member of society other than giving false information what are you worth i don't see it

04:49:41.240 not one step back. Again, I don't know who the fake conservative is here, but I will say that

04:49:49.240 I am a high contributor to not just society, but taxes that I pay in actually helping

04:49:58.900 conservatives get elected, not just saying women, bad, stupid, and should not vote. I actually have

04:50:05.440 knocked doors so that conservatives get elected, not just talk about getting conservatives elected

04:50:12.000 or how bad the situation is. I've actually talked the talk and walked the walk, something Rachel

04:50:17.980 here has not done. What? Okay, demonstrate that. Yeah, there's pictures online on my social media

04:50:26.080 profiles of the work that I've done to actually elect conservatives. Wait, you think I need to go

04:50:30.800 out and get GOP candidates elected when I don't uh I think you should go get people that believe

04:50:37.540 what you believe elected if you actually want to uh basically prove that you're serious about what

04:50:43.720 you believe in you know what's more effective than that winning the propaganda war and taking

04:50:47.740 back the institutions and if you want to talk about prescriptive I don't suck at that I yes you

04:50:52.640 do okay most of your followers are men most of the that's not true this book that support you

04:50:58.460 right here no that's not women that's actually not true this book right here cracked i'll explain

04:51:04.300 it right now and i'll prove it this book cracked the top 30 on all of amazon books which is

04:51:09.260 practically unheard of for a self-published book it is vastly outsold things from mainline publishers

04:51:16.580 okay i have a lot of most of do you deny that most of your following is as men it depends on

04:51:23.680 what platform you look at so like my sub stack my sub stack readers are actually mostly women

04:51:28.480 most um i'm not really on youtube uh i'm not really on instagram i'm only on x and on x it's

04:51:35.180 like a 70 30 split but uh i get the most emails dms and letters in the mail from women who say

04:51:43.800 thank you for giving me a voice because as a stay-at-home mom i always felt less than i always

04:51:49.320 have been made to feel by the women around me. Like I'm not doing enough. Like I'm a loser.

04:51:54.460 Thank you for that. Like I get tons of mail from women. Well, that's really sad that that is the

04:52:01.100 case that they're being told that. But I think the reason they feel that way is not because

04:52:06.200 other women are saying that they don't have inherent value. I think if it's not mostly men,

04:52:13.180 it's at an equivalent level because a lot of men think oh you're just a stay-at-home mom what is it

04:52:20.160 that you bring to the table if i'm providing food and shelter for you you get to stay i never i never

04:52:28.060 get criticized by men for being a stay-at-home mom i never get criticized by men i have gotten

04:52:33.740 criticized by women for it my whole life including a candace owens staffer who told me i wasn't a

04:52:39.200 good american because i wasn't contributing to the gdp uh okay it's always been femcon women

04:52:45.640 no well in my and leftist women in my uh in my situation it's definitely been men being the ones

04:52:55.040 that say that women don't have uh value if they are just stay-at-home moms and that is a luxury

04:53:01.580 for men to conservative men say this not conservative men i'm saying men in general

04:53:06.880 I don't hear men say that.

04:53:09.600 Men in general are saying what?

04:53:11.300 That there's a lot of men that believe that women don't have value or aren't contributing equally to them for being stay-at-home moms.

04:53:21.580 That they should consider themselves lucky to be able to stay at home with the kids while they pay for food and shelter.

04:53:30.080 That is a belief that a lot of men hold.

04:53:32.920 and it is probably contributing to women like the ones you mentioned feeling less than for being

04:53:39.360 stay-at-home women uh i think that women more than anybody understand the value of being mothers

04:53:47.260 because we we know that we know we know what we have to sacrifice i've been told i'm a brainwashed

04:53:55.440 victim you yourself have inferred that like i'm only here because i'm a pick me i'm not using my

04:54:02.140 own thoughts i'm not using my own brain to look at the world and go wait everything is fucked up

04:54:06.840 this is not how things should be so so women shouldn't vote as your prescription you you don't

04:54:11.520 take me seriously because i don't hold your feminist views you think that i don't take you

04:54:16.420 seriously the only reason i argument your final argument is women shouldn't vote that's why i

04:54:21.460 don't take you seriously i don't care about the whole women vote that's stuck in your craw it's

04:54:26.980 not stuck in mine, whatever. I don't think women should vote. So what? Why does that make, why do

04:54:32.260 you think it's cool to call me names like a pick me and infer that I don't have my own mind, that

04:54:37.280 I didn't come up with this? Do you think men wrote my book for me? Do you think men told me to say

04:54:42.060 this? Or do you think that I am actually a really smart person who looked around and went,

04:54:48.660 everything is out of order. Everything is all fucked up now. How did we get here? That's how

04:54:53.380 i started writing this by looking around at the world and the way it is and going this is out of

04:54:57.880 order things are all messed up what is wrong here yeah and through the process of my own analysis

04:55:03.940 how did you end up with the wrong conclusion though it's not the wrong conclusion that women

04:55:07.640 shouldn't it's not women feminism has destroyed life for women and if you want to talk about how

04:55:13.620 things have turned out i'm not i'm not arguing tell tell me what feminism has done to improve

04:55:18.720 life for women you're not gonna get me to argue for something i don't believe in you have lost

04:55:24.340 this debate badly and you are i think people watching i think people watching will be determining

04:55:30.500 that too and the fact that at the end of this you're trying to get me to argue in favor of

04:55:35.220 feminism which i have not done this entire time i don't you have and you just don't realize it

04:55:40.880 because you don't understand words you don't understand the meaning of words i think we're

04:55:45.220 ready for closing statements at least i am are you rachel sure yeah um we'll get into that in

04:55:50.440 just a moment um and i don't know if this adds at least some degree of clarity here at the end

04:55:55.820 on that last point uh andrew wilson who you squared up against and is obviously well rachel's

04:56:02.280 husband uh he describes feminism as a uh movement towards egalitarianism with a rejection

04:56:10.340 of patriarchy would you agree with that definition of feminism no um i think that

04:56:17.980 feminism just argues for additional rights above uh egalitarian rights to men i think that's what

04:56:26.160 crosses the line to feminism like what wait they everything outside of yeah everything outside of

04:56:32.440 voting and equal financial well what's one thing that that you think feminism advocates for that

04:56:38.560 you don't um special treatments like what like let's say um hiring requirements quotas for women

04:56:47.720 um in the workplace so you have to have x amount of women and x amount of men i'm against that

04:56:54.160 that's special treatments that's not hiring based on competency or skill it's hiring based on gender

04:57:00.140 which is wrong it's dei so i'm against dei against dei but you're for forcing banks to

04:57:06.780 force financial equality uh that's and you're for forcing political equality that's a strawman

04:57:12.700 what i'm trying to tell you is you're trying to misrepresent this is all trying to misrepresent

04:57:17.460 my position which is all that law did is that it stopped banks from discriminating based on gender

04:57:24.820 not yeah let's do closing she's just going to keep repeating not forcing banks to give out

04:57:30.340 loans or credit based on gender that is a completely different thing and that is false

04:57:34.760 I've got two more Super Chats, and then we'll get into the closing.

04:57:38.840 Jory, thank you for your Super Chat.

04:57:40.860 Brianna, that's some sort of mutant combination of us, I guess.

04:57:46.000 Have you read Ayn Rand?

04:57:47.880 Ayn Rand.

04:57:49.140 I apologize for the mispronunciation.

04:57:51.500 It sounds like you would subscribe to her philosophy of objectivism.

04:57:58.560 I do agree with a lot of the ideas behind objectivism, absolutely.

04:58:04.760 I think everybody should read some of Ayn Rand's works, like The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.

04:58:14.020 Have you heard of that one before?

04:58:15.900 You know she's like one of the top libertarian philosophers, right?

04:58:19.680 I know that.

04:58:20.600 So just embrace the libertarian.

04:58:22.840 You're a libertarian.

04:58:23.920 Just embrace it.

04:58:24.540 I pick and choose from where I want to, Rachel.

04:58:26.220 Wait, didn't she have some rather sexist views?

04:58:31.600 That's why I say I don't necessarily prescribe to

04:58:35.860 That's why I say I don't, you know, label myself

04:58:38.920 Yeah, she openly rejected feminism

04:58:40.940 Objectivism or libertarianism or conservatism fully

04:58:44.760 I pick and choose based on from what I think is right

04:58:48.180 And most people, if more people did that

04:58:50.500 I think we'd be better off for sure

04:58:52.740 All right, well, Jory, thank you for your soup chat

04:58:55.120 We have Red Fox, blonde Cuban chick

04:58:57.180 For the third time, do you think you are a good role model for women?

04:59:00.280 stop running from the question? Absolutely. I am financially responsible. I am somebody that

04:59:09.440 times basically what I'm going to do with my life and having kids and a family when it's right,

04:59:18.440 so that I don't become a burden upon society, a tax burden, or shift my responsibilities to

04:59:24.560 anybody else. And I'm also going to make sure I give my kids a father that stays within their

04:59:32.660 life for the rest of their life. So yeah, definitely a benefit to society. And like I said,

04:59:39.280 I've also made sure that I advocate and work for electing the people that have these conservative

04:59:46.300 values, not just talk about it, actually get out in the field and do it. Like Trump with his

04:59:52.980 conservative values uh definitely better than the other option i voted for trump he's better

04:59:58.760 but he's not conservative nobody is not conservative at all do you think getting into the field

05:00:04.080 rachel why would i do that well don't criticize other people you know what you're right i'm gonna

05:00:09.640 do that i'm gonna run for office and then when i win i'm just gonna abdicate my seat to my husband

05:00:15.360 i'll just be like you can just take over that's what i'll do i mean that's what it's funny that's

05:00:21.500 what some people do you some politicians have done yeah do you have a critique of either rachel

05:00:26.960 or andrew or i suppose even possibly me or even other people who uh do online discourse and

05:00:35.160 are primarily online uh that because you you're describe yourself as a conservative operative

05:00:42.520 that you know you're not going that we're not going out door to door knocking on doors what

05:00:47.820 what's that called there's a term canvassing canvassing yes um do you could be canvassing

05:00:53.640 is that what you did was canvassing um i that was part of it uh but mostly actually mobilizing

05:01:01.080 people as well to do that do it myself because you have to lead by example but also mobilizing

05:01:06.680 other people to do that that is part of grassroots um work yes but would you say that

05:01:12.220 at least for the 2024 election uh the most recent election did i knock doors yes well

05:01:17.800 Do you think that the work you did, and to be fair, I'm not familiar precisely or in total of everything you've done, do you think that that is superior to, say, the work Rachel has done or Andrew has done or I have done or other online creators have done in perhaps the success of Donald Trump's campaign?

05:01:43.960 That's a very specific question.

05:01:46.420 I think that you have maybe in your specific show, you've probably mobilized men to go vote for sure and and hype them up for for Donald Trump.

05:01:57.300 Has it had a similar issue within the female population?

05:02:02.260 I think it's the opposite. So I don't know.

05:02:04.380 You think we've had a negative?

05:02:07.160 I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so.

05:02:10.140 I think the following of this show is mostly men anyways.

05:02:14.080 Yeah, sure.

05:02:14.560 so uh since you target them and what do you mean target them well you you have a base that you can

05:02:21.080 talk to and mobilize that is mostly men and if you tell them to go vote for you know donald trump

05:02:27.160 then that does help that campaign and that and that movement absolutely absolutely now what it

05:02:33.080 does societally the other one the one that rachel's going to be here for tomorrow and that i was on

05:02:39.480 here last time is it helping men and women come together more is it helping men view women in a

05:02:48.860 healthy fashion or is it warping men's reality of women to where they think well most women out

05:02:56.560 there are sexually promiscuous there's a lot of women out there that uh most women are that are

05:03:03.200 working in sex work uh most women never made the claim we already are not very intelligent because

05:03:10.120 you know they answer total strong man never made that better that are simple incorrectly

05:03:16.620 i think that aspect of the show uh definitely divides the sexes and doesn't help as a society

05:03:24.660 can i ask you a question if uh so you're uh given that you're conservative do you think

05:03:31.060 are you anti-trans yeah okay do you think that that's divisive to humanity because clearly there

05:03:38.380 are people who are pro-trans so you're just like on a going even beyond gender beyond sex uh you're

05:03:45.060 just divisive on a humanity level uh no that would be divisive wouldn't it no because uh there's first

05:03:53.160 of all there's no such thing as trans there's just men and women people disagree with you

05:03:58.040 with body dysmorphia that's okay well i agree with you on that point but other people disagree

05:04:03.480 with you okay is it divisive does it help society if i affirm a trans person's delusions

05:04:11.680 does it affirm society if i affirm a woman's delusions that she deserves a man who makes

05:04:16.680 10 million dollars a year when she's an average woman no no but it also doesn't but it would be

05:04:22.580 divisive wouldn't it but what would be wrong with that no but it doesn't help it doesn't help

05:04:28.020 show men that these are these are the women that are out there when they're less than one percent

05:04:34.460 of the population what do you mean who's less than one percent of the population for example

05:04:39.540 sex workers the majority of our guests are not sex are one less than one percent of we already

05:04:44.940 went over this and the the amount of sex workers he's had on the show are representative of the

05:04:50.680 amount of sex workers in the population they went over the statistics live yeah you may not have

05:04:55.780 seen that yeah and i uh i again don't have the statistics you can pull them up from youtube or

05:05:01.440 whatever i think in the past year and i haven't watched this show uh beginning to end especially

05:05:07.620 the ones on sundays because it's a 10-hour podcast um but yes i think anybody that follows the social

05:05:15.480 media accounts instagram and gets clips would make the rational would would believe that the

05:05:22.960 majority of women that go on the show uh have some kind of background in sex work is it true

05:05:28.540 i don't know i don't have the stats is it a fact that most people have the impression

05:05:35.140 that the whatever podcast brings on a disproportionate amount of women with a

05:05:40.580 background in sex work. Yes. Disproportionate and majority are two separate things. Like for

05:05:49.700 example, disproportionate, let's say like the amount of women between the ages of 18 to 25,

05:05:54.720 10% of them do sex work. And like we bring on 15%, 15% of our guests do sex work. That would

05:06:01.760 be disproportionate, but majority would mean 50, 51% and more. I can just speak on the last panel

05:06:07.840 that i was on the women that were on the panel were not 15 to 25 so i'm interested in the truth

05:06:13.940 there was a much larger age range was there not i don't see how that'd be relevant so then you'd

05:06:19.220 have to so then you'd have to put the equivalent age range that you had on the show from the

05:06:23.820 youngest girl there to the oldest one and then see what the percentage of women within that age

05:06:30.760 range that i'm willing to actually grant i'm i'm actually willing to grant that of the women who

05:06:36.480 come on the show in terms of the purport uh comparing to the general population the proportion

05:06:41.180 of women who are sex workers i'm willing to grant that say the it's i think 10 to 15 percent of all

05:06:47.380 the guests in total that we've ever had on the show do some form of sex work i'm willing to grant

05:06:52.260 that that that's disproportionate to the majority your claim is the majority of the guests who've

05:06:58.700 been on the show are sex workers for what i just looked it up and it's like women under 30 between

05:07:03.560 18 and 35 it's estimated to be like 10 we can just look this up on well i heard 18 to 24 25 on that

05:07:11.480 one yeah 18 to 24 it's even higher it is like 15 which would be but she's shifting the goalposts

05:07:18.100 because my claim is never that the majority i don't even i've never made the claim the majority

05:07:23.680 of women are sex workers i i know you haven't i and i know i haven't said that either i'm saying

05:07:28.640 literally claim i'm saying you're basically complaining that you don't like the women who

05:07:33.400 are this is the same criticism everyone has i'm saying he picks women to come on that look extra

05:07:38.920 stupid and bad and it's like yeah and i'm saying that that is the impression that is given for

05:07:45.300 those so you want him to curate only women that make women look good you don't want that follow

05:07:51.120 the show he just puts out a thing and says hey if you want to come on come on and these are the

05:07:54.680 people who volunteer did i screen you out uh screened out from coming on no i am a sex worker

05:08:00.880 i i messaged the the show right uh to be on just like everybody else does correct uh most people

05:08:09.300 are a benefit to being on the show for those women that do do sex work is that they do get

05:08:15.660 the majority of the girls who come on wait subscribers the majority of the girls that

05:08:19.900 we have on the show they're not even like uh non-sexual content creators they're just like

05:08:24.660 some girl from kentucky some girl from like alaska who works as uh i'm trying to remember the

05:08:30.480 guests that we had on baristas and stuff like they're not or college girls or college girls

05:08:36.280 the average age of our guests is 25 okay um again what i frontal cortex fully developed

05:08:42.220 what i they can vote if they're old enough to vote they're old enough to decide if they want

05:08:46.380 What I spoke about last time, again, is that the impression, the PR, what is the brand of the show, whether you like it or not, is that there is a disproportionate representation of women that work in sex work within the show.

05:09:03.940 Maybe it's only because the ones that work in sex work are the ones that say the most outrageous things, and then those are the clips that get posted on social media.

05:09:13.160 i'm saying that that is the reality people see it and now men that watch that think oh my god

05:09:20.280 there's so many dumb promiscuous women out there we are cooked as a generation and that doesn't

05:09:27.240 help us societally so if that that is what if it's true though that because of the way things

05:09:35.080 have panned out with all this feminism garbage and everything what if it's true that we now have

05:09:40.420 young generation of women that women from 18 to like 30 are very promiscuous, not very smart,

05:09:47.720 not good at critical thinking. And why? Because in the age of social media, they don't have to

05:09:52.100 learn how to think. They can just be pretty. You can just be pretty and put pictures online and

05:09:56.740 things just come to you. So they never develop maturity. They never learn how to think. They

05:10:01.760 never learn how to be useful. Do you think that's the actual case? I have two daughters who are in

05:10:07.340 their early and mid 20s we were talking before the show about this and i will tell you that both of

05:10:12.920 them call me regularly about having to talk down their friends from starting an only fans like on

05:10:18.760 a regular basis that their friends are all being promiscuous that my daughter called me one morning

05:10:23.640 was like mom i'm at a brunch with a bunch of girls and i'm so glad that you didn't raise me like this

05:10:28.240 because they're acting crazy and they're still drunk from last night and i did they're just

05:10:31.560 telling me stories that are turning my hair white yeah i do think well i have created a young

05:10:36.420 generation of women that are very problematic and we should address it and fix it i agree i agree

05:10:42.740 with that uh i have had different experiences i have uh different friends curated that have never

05:10:50.060 been in those kinds of circles or or situations i think again it goes back to the individual and

05:10:57.120 what kind of company they want to keep and all that it is true that being promiscuous is marketed

05:11:03.480 and offered to women as an easy way to make money especially uh and of course they're gonna see it

05:11:10.860 it's cool i don't it's been marketed as cool i don't you know what i i honestly all the pop stars

05:11:16.640 talking about having casual sex and i feel bad for the women that that do resort to to sex work

05:11:24.600 rather than than chastising them because i i do feel that it just corrupts the soul and i think

05:11:30.740 that deep down it makes them unhappy uh makes them depressed well they all they all tell us

05:11:37.180 differently don't they brian when they come on here people say different things to to reality to

05:11:42.400 you know put a front but i do feel really bad for those women and i i would want them to come out of

05:11:48.600 that kind of world the way to do that i don't believe is talking down to them um telling them

05:11:55.720 the truth obviously but uh not talking down to them the majority of them or a good amount of

05:12:01.760 them probably have experienced some kind of sexual abuse in the past that then gave them

05:12:08.160 some kind of trauma some kind of ptsd whatever and that led them into that kind of i don't i

05:12:14.160 don't agree with that at all there's no evidence to back that up regardless of the reasons she's

05:12:19.020 just gonna keep going i see them as victims of society that we need the driana show we all just

05:12:23.640 have to listen to her tell us to dictate to us how things okay but i think they're victims of

05:12:28.860 society nobody is forcing women into prostitution anymore a hundred years ago it was something you

05:12:34.040 did if you were desperate it is no longer the case now it's middle middle class girls who don't need

05:12:39.500 the money who just think it's fun and sexy they want the money but they also love the validation

05:12:45.340 they love the attention they we also love the idea of being sexy and people wanting that and

05:12:51.640 what only fans has proved to us is just how little encouragement young women need to prostitute

05:12:58.920 themselves i don't like that either but i'm not going to do you do this thing where it's like

05:13:03.720 you're trying to prove you're for the sisterhood and you've insinuated through this whole thing

05:13:08.060 that like oh look at rachel she's just a pick me she's just trying to pander to men her whole

05:13:12.300 audience is men and it's like you you think that we should deny the truth and not say true things

05:13:18.480 that are offensive to women in order to protect the sisterhood and the reason I'm always the

05:13:24.320 enemy of you and women like you is because you're like why aren't you protecting the sisterhood

05:13:29.660 why are you out here saying things that are true if it makes us look bad and I say

05:13:34.440 stop talking over me that's all you've done this whole time no that's what you know that's what

05:13:38.580 you've done no that's what you've done that's what you've done so aren't you no okay I will

05:13:43.840 Listen, I will say things that are true.

05:13:45.840 I have statistics and data to back it up.

05:13:48.400 I know history better.

05:13:50.100 I know more about history than you'll ever have enough lifetimes to forget.

05:13:53.480 And you still can't convince people with your positions.

05:13:54.640 I do convince people.

05:13:56.100 I convince people all the time.

05:13:57.780 Go read the comments under my Joe Rogan experience, okay?

05:14:01.160 It's one and a half million views.

05:14:02.640 You don't convince any of the right people.

05:14:03.000 It's 99% positive.

05:14:05.120 Yes, you don't convince the right people.

05:14:05.820 I don't agree with you.

05:14:07.080 I get letters from women all the time.

05:14:09.040 I don't convince you because you're a hard-headed girl.

05:14:11.760 You reaffirm people's beliefs.

05:14:13.380 some woman i don't some woman reaffirm people telling you that you're the one backing up the

05:14:18.740 sisterhood you're the one saying listen women are inherently good and they would all act better if

05:14:23.820 men would just be gave women only do something bad if men make them do it and i'm the one who's

05:14:29.920 saying no women can be bad all on their own without men doing anything wrong you gave and

05:14:34.540 you won't you gave the example right of women uh sending you letters saying i'm so freaking happy

05:14:41.320 that somebody is standing up for like for women because i'm for stay-at-home moms right so that

05:14:47.480 is a woman who you are confirming what she already believes her values you're not changing

05:14:53.940 well do you want me to bring up all the emails of women who told me that i changed their mind

05:14:58.720 including two of the girls i was on the whatever podcast with who emailed me after to say you know

05:15:04.840 what i never thought about that and i went home and cried about it and i'm gonna this one of them

05:15:10.300 was an only fans girl she took down her only fans because she had a daughter and she's like that's

05:15:15.480 you made me think of things i had never considered before and i went home and had to like really ask

05:15:20.720 myself tough questions and i cried a little bit and then i decided i'm not going to do this anymore

05:15:25.420 so yes i do reach people you would have no way of knowing that oh i got a message let me read a

05:15:31.360 message uh same thing hold on let me just want to be a brat i got wait wait really quick i got a

05:15:36.560 message i got a really quick i received a message thank you for the content man you and andrew's

05:15:43.760 channels have probably saved my relationship by opening my girlfriend's eyes to the culture that

05:15:50.540 a lot of modern women subscribe to she now loves watching with me look at that we got a couple

05:15:56.320 we got a man and a woman they're in a relationship watching me and andrew's channels and i get these

05:16:01.680 messages uh i can pull up my accounts too and okay let me can i do one real quick and the messages

05:16:08.940 that i got after this is from a lady we all have our sound our listening and trying not to cry i

05:16:15.420 had a very successful business graphic design and what made me quit for good was someone who wanted

05:16:20.000 me to design book book covers for a series of goddess books i had been living in the boss babe

05:16:24.920 goddess culture for years trying to hold on to my christian ethics and that was it since leaving it

05:16:30.000 i have been deprogramming myself it has been horribly toxic effect on me it's made me a worse

05:16:34.640 wife a worse mother and definitely a worse christian thank you for your book i feel less

05:16:39.180 crazy for thinking this damaged me like it did also really quick i do got damage from you said

05:16:44.180 from painting hold on feminism from the feminism boss babe goddess worship you smuggled you smuggled

05:16:49.820 in a claim earlier that uh either it's me or rachel or andrew that we're talking down

05:16:56.400 to these women to the only fans yes what do you mean can you give me like uh it doesn't have to

05:17:03.180 be verbatim give me an example of talking down to the women i think uh anybody can go and they

05:17:11.180 can i mean your show's tomorrow right at what time at 3 4 30 well yeah but that's tomorrow

05:17:17.100 yeah tomorrow something that happened in the past well they can see tomorrow's show or go

05:17:21.580 back why would you assume that somebody's going to be talked down to tomorrow i know that's the

05:17:27.020 case unless you're unless you're unless you're becoming a little bit more self-aware uh okay

05:17:32.520 well that's great even but even the tone in addressing women okay so great my tone is

05:17:37.740 terrible won't you and even uh telling women to shut up or do this the way you address yeah give

05:17:45.120 Give me an example of talking down.

05:17:47.960 I just, I just mentioned it.

05:17:49.540 If you're, you know, hosting people and you tell somebody, you know, shut up or shut the

05:17:54.300 fuck up or anything like that, that is talking down to women.

05:17:57.800 Do you agree that that's an example of talking?

05:18:00.280 Well, I could say you shut the fuck up to a man too, I suppose.

05:18:02.540 But, uh, but that is also if somebody is talking down to women and it has happened

05:18:06.540 and I watched it.

05:18:07.380 Yeah, sure.

05:18:07.640 I'm going to, I'm absolutely going to agree that there have been moments where I've told

05:18:11.220 people to either shut up, shut the fuck up women. You shut the fuck. I've definitely said it. I've

05:18:18.600 absolutely said that. However, uh, you're kind of, uh, missing the part where the person is not

05:18:25.460 shutting the fuck up. That is not what I observed in the last time I was here. I was actually so

05:18:31.460 surprised, um, with those interactions because never in my life have I seen those interactions

05:18:37.760 between men and women. That's great. When you've given people instructions on multiple fronts over

05:18:43.100 messages before the show, you ask people not to be interrupting. Does not matter. That's a part

05:18:48.140 of being a host, Brian. Okay. Well, you might say that it's impolite, but you, you're doing

05:18:52.900 something different here. Again, I'm asking you, what is the specific talking down? Uh, talking

05:18:58.540 down to women in calling them, uh, unintelligent. When did I call someone unintelligent? I'd have

05:19:06.080 to i guess go back to go back to shows or but again i i don't have the time to watch these

05:19:13.740 whatever 10 hour podcasts done on sunday um but yeah i think anybody that does watch them will

05:19:20.320 see those negative interactions um against the girls that's what i saw when i was here last time

05:19:28.040 i was really uh really surprised by how bad it was honestly and again i think those kinds of

05:19:35.880 interactions don't do anything to help get those women out of what you want them to do you know

05:19:42.700 you get uh you get more um bees with honey than you do with poo right that is what i'm trying to

05:19:51.160 say here like if we're trying to bring people to our side get them to agree with us i'm not saying

05:19:56.780 distort i'm not sure if that's actually true to be honest don't distort facts but the delivery

05:20:01.400 does absolutely matter um well i'm actually interested in exploring somewhat related to this

05:20:07.600 you're i'm actually kind of tired well we'll get to we'll wrap soon though yeah but uh this this

05:20:14.400 suggestion that either andrew wilson rachel wilson or myself that that we are divisive right uh yes

05:20:23.280 when it comes to relations with men and women rachel so we just rachel is a different what

05:20:30.360 specifically is the divisive content um again portraying a majority of women to be uh somebody

05:20:40.000 that has a background sex work even if that's not the case on the show if you go on social media

05:20:45.440 and you see clips nobody portrays it as the majority it's you want to pick different words

05:20:51.020 it's the impression that is given do you understand how public relations work how would

05:20:55.880 that matter if some if some people have the perception if most a majority of the women on

05:21:01.680 the show are sex workers most people have the impression that that's i don't think that's true

05:21:06.960 at all how would you first off you'd have to demonstrate that most women are sex workers

05:21:11.460 because i don't think you do i'm saying that from the clips being presented on social media

05:21:17.020 oftentimes wait wait hold on even if you were judging base just off the clips if you do the

05:21:22.980 Women in the, like, 60-second clips are not saying, hey, by the way, my name is Becky and I'm a sex worker.

05:21:28.800 Most of the clips omit the woman's profession.

05:21:31.400 So how would you establish that the women in these clips are even sex workers?

05:21:37.120 That, I guess, again, it's the impression that's given.

05:21:41.600 I think that's your impression.

05:21:43.500 I think that's your biased impression.

05:21:44.960 I think a good way to test this out, Brian, would be why don't you do a man on the street video.

05:21:50.660 so go with the camera on the street walk around this area and ask people first if they know of

05:21:57.260 the whatever podcast and then second what do they think the or what is their impression of

05:22:03.740 the podcast and would they believe that uh sex workers are overrepresented in the in the show

05:22:12.400 one you're just wrong but what does this have to do with my actual question that related to

05:22:16.760 in which way so i was asking you what is the actual divisive content of the show and then

05:22:22.120 you just defer to a majority of people think or have a perception that your show primarily has

05:22:28.940 on why is it bad why would that be divisive and one it's and secondly it's just false because it

05:22:34.100 puts because for the men watching it takes it gets them thinking that uh the reason why

05:22:43.080 they are single or are lonely is because a majority of women are promiscuous a majority

05:22:50.700 of women are just not intelligent instead of reflecting upon themselves taking responsibility

05:22:56.660 upon themselves bettering themselves as as men what are you saying what are you you're not you

05:23:02.340 know exactly you know exactly what i'm saying men watching say or men watching can somebody

05:23:08.740 think men watching can someone have a false perception yeah absolutely absolutely and that's

05:23:15.720 okay so then going on so then that's an error that's an error on their part i'm asking you

05:23:22.140 in truth in actuality what is the divisive content of my podcast again the device the divisive

05:23:30.840 part of it is that the end goal the end result of it is that men have a more negative perception

05:23:38.720 of women as a whole from watching it do you disagree with that hold on repeat that one more

05:23:44.760 time that the end end perception of men watching your that podcast sorry sorry sorry is that they

05:23:53.540 have a net more negative perception of women than they did before watching the podcast

05:23:59.320 turns out when you let women say what they really think they don't look so good sometimes and she

05:24:04.860 doesn't like that and she would like you to conceal that she would like you to hide that

05:24:09.720 please because it doesn't make women look good well when you bring on women that are you know

05:24:15.580 young dumb girls from oh wait if they're young and dumb why are we letting them vote being

05:24:21.980 indoctrinated by their college professors but you want them to vote if we're bringing on you know

05:24:27.340 sex workers she's just gonna ignore me then then yes you're gonna get ridiculous question

05:24:32.340 if these women are so ridiculous why are you pressing them to vote because unfortunately

05:24:38.300 even the most ridiculous of people and ideas you still have to be i agree it's pretty unfortunate

05:24:44.800 that they're voting i agree defended at the ballot box and we still didn't actually answer

05:24:49.920 my question we have to convince them you didn't answer my question you simply said even if i were

05:24:54.160 to grant that we have to convince the dumb sex workers to vote for us guys rather than just

05:24:59.180 saying maybe they shouldn't vote well hold on because what do i know actually you didn't actually

05:25:03.560 answer my question this is a two-to-one to end this so even if the even if the end result oh my

05:25:10.580 god i believe in you even if that even if what you're saying is true and the end result is that

05:25:16.460 a proportion of men had a slightly increased negative perception of women that still doesn't

05:25:22.240 answer my question of what specific, no, no. What specifically is the divisive nature or divisive

05:25:30.580 content on my podcast? What is the divisive nature or content of it? What am I saying that

05:25:37.880 is divisive? It's not what you're saying. It's the result of it. What is the end result? What

05:25:43.460 is, that is my point. That is not the question I'm asking. I'm asking, you're saying, Brian,

05:25:49.800 your content is divisive i'm asking you what is the divisive content and you're saying some men

05:25:55.160 end up uh having a negative impression of women it would that doesn't answer the question it would

05:25:59.780 vary on an episode to episode basis okay what is the divisive content what is the divisive

05:26:07.000 ideological positions that i hold or that andrew espouses um again saying that men and women uh are

05:26:15.840 not equal never in the in the legal in the legal sense that uh women do not contribute equally to

05:26:24.080 society as as men do uh that's an argument that andrew has made if it was factually true would

05:26:30.320 it be divisive yes well it's not factually true it is factually true um men and women equally

05:26:36.360 contribute to society you can't have one hold on how could that actually so again define equal

05:26:40.860 you gave me define equal equal in value wait hold on so men and women wait hold on hold on

05:26:48.460 let me make something clear men and women have inherent equal value they have in their equal

05:26:55.760 in moral value inherent value yes men are men and women are equal but you can never make the claim

05:27:01.720 that in terms of what men and women contribute to society that they're equal their contributions

05:27:07.360 are equal yes they are they're not they're not equal but equal that's actually not true my friend

05:27:14.440 aaron clary wrote this fantastic book called a world without men cannot recommend it enough

05:27:19.240 and he's an economist and this is and this is why he's it's my turn to talk to reproduce with men

05:27:24.280 he's an economist hold on let rachel let rachel hold on let rachel get through her this is why

05:27:31.460 women aren't getting married i mean wait well hold on wait we have to explore that but rachel

05:27:36.460 If you believe men and women don't contribute equally to society, you have to make women happy or they'll hold the whole human race hostage and refuse to reproduce and let humanity die out.

05:27:48.760 So be nice to women.

05:27:49.880 Tell them what they want to hear.

05:27:51.100 Anyway, my friend Aaron Clary wrote this fantastic book.

05:27:53.980 I cannot recommend it enough.

05:27:55.380 It's called A World Without Men, An Analysis of an All-Female Economy.

05:27:59.600 And he goes through the top jobs that women do and the top jobs that men do in the economy.

05:28:05.620 me and he's very fair he's not like me he's not he's way less radical than me he's pretty

05:28:10.720 pretty normal chill guy and he no and he breaks it down in such a way that he shows what jobs are

05:28:18.320 essential um what jobs are like pretty important what jobs are not that important and jobs that

05:28:24.200 are totally useless and the the split between women is like men do 70 percent of all the essential

05:28:30.220 and very important jobs that just like we can't live as a species if they don't do is having

05:28:35.300 kids not the most essential thing that's not but we're talking about in the workforce in the

05:28:40.120 workforce women aren't having kids and you said the women won't have kids until the men do what

05:28:44.820 they want but that is the value that they bring to society yeah but they're not doing it you're

05:28:49.260 not doing it most of them aren't doing it's 1.5 kids per woman now women aren't doing it they

05:28:54.940 want to have an office job and both of you just said that what men contribute to society is of

05:29:01.200 greater value than what women contribute now it is yes which i disagree with it used to be equal

05:29:07.260 the women were having children and raising them themselves i don't think that's the only reason

05:29:12.340 i don't think that's i think that is the only essential job women can do to society she did

05:29:17.780 smuggle something in there she smuggled a whole bunch of shit i love this two-to-one debate i

05:29:23.040 guess it takes two of them against one you're directing some of the okay to make their points

05:29:27.880 I just wanted to call that out

05:29:29.720 The fact that now it's a two to one debate

05:29:32.280 I think it's fair

05:29:33.840 Because you're a contradiction machine

05:29:35.900 You assert things you can't prove

05:29:38.160 Because it takes two of you to go up against one of you

05:29:39.780 Oh gosh Brian

05:29:42.580 If that's not the case

05:29:43.980 I'm so scared

05:29:45.000 I did for the last four hours

05:29:47.580 Prove me wrong that it takes just one of you

05:29:50.100 I think it's fair if you're here

05:29:50.960 I whooped your ass for four hours straight

05:29:53.400 With no help from Brian

05:29:54.660 I think it's fair

05:29:56.720 Sure, Driana, sure, Driana, sure, Driana.

05:29:59.560 Drano, I think it's fair if you're directing criticisms towards me

05:30:03.020 that at that moment I can engage specifically on that.

05:30:07.960 You asked questions about your show.

05:30:10.220 Of course I had to answer them.

05:30:11.700 Well, I think it was related to something you had brought up specifically.

05:30:16.320 Look in the monitor at your face.

05:30:18.460 Look how smug.

05:30:19.540 Yeah, you sit there like this and you go.

05:30:22.520 Having good posture is smug.

05:30:24.280 No, it's your face.

05:30:25.520 your face does like a because i find if you read the comments of your last appearance all anybody

05:30:32.680 said was she's insufferable she's so smug she's so arrogant it's like i've demonstrated to you

05:30:38.100 that you're wrong on multiple accounts and you just stonewall obfuscate ignore because you're

05:30:43.020 wrong on the fact that uh no you're wrong not be allowed to vote period that's your opinion

05:30:48.420 you don't have anything to back it up that's just your opinion blank why should women be able to

05:30:53.740 vote because women and men have equal inherent value that's so they're again the is out gap

05:30:59.560 this is why people are like in the comments begging me to force you to answer the is out

05:31:04.760 gap because you're like they should because they should because they should that's what you're

05:31:08.200 saying it's never going to women should be able to vote because women should be able to vote

05:31:11.460 because women are because because because and you just repeat that's not an argument darling we have

05:31:17.060 you're very pretty okay you're very pretty but that's gonna run out at a certain point we have

05:31:21.680 a right to that goes away when you get older so you have to learn to use your brain do you

05:31:26.740 understand yeah so you can't say women should vote because women should vote because women

05:31:31.660 should vote because they should because they should that's not an argument you didn't even

05:31:35.720 make an argument this whole time life liberty pursuit of happiness which used to be property

05:31:41.060 we have a right we don't we all we have a right that's we have a right we have a right because

05:31:46.800 we have a right because we have a right because we have a right in the u.s constitution why should

05:31:52.000 we let everyone vote because it is what is morally correct based on what natural law natural rights

05:32:01.160 which you don't want to accept no natural no a reason natural law does not say everyone gets a

05:32:06.800 vote it literally says that nature works in a hierarchy and that there's patriarchy that's

05:32:11.240 what natural law says so you are incorrect our u.s constitution which i believe in and support

05:32:17.760 i'm done brian actually mentions and outlines that our laws yeah she's just gonna prattle from

05:32:25.220 you know what we should do and from natural law it's bad because it's bad because it's bad we

05:32:29.560 should because we should because rachel the problem is not an argument rachel the problem

05:32:33.540 is you're not go back to school and learn how to make an argument you're not convincing anybody

05:32:38.280 neither are you you're not convincing anyone of anything well actually no you've convinced

05:32:43.580 everybody that you are arrogant and insufferable that you're incorrect you're ignorant and you're

05:32:49.500 way worse than i thought you were going to be in this debate i thought you would come with

05:32:53.640 something better than women should be able to vote because women should be able to because they

05:32:58.080 should i thought somebody closing 50 would be a less i'm 45 now come on let's not let's not push

05:33:04.640 closing 50 come on i'm 40 yeah you're pushing 40 would be a lot less uh emotional in their

05:33:13.380 arguments yes you got me i'm very emotional more logical arguments instead of just trying

05:33:18.340 honey i just demonstrated to you what logic is and you can't comprehend it you can't even

05:33:23.460 understand what i'm saying uh are you are we ready for yeah let's do it let's do it i love

05:33:29.800 her telling me about logic it's almost as good as when she was telling andrew about logic and

05:33:33.760 it's like yeah where he where he i i love that part where andrew is an actual logician he uh you

05:33:40.440 you don't also couldn't define hypocrisy last time no he did define hypocrisy he defined it

05:33:46.320 correctly no he did yes he did yes he did not and could not understand the basis this is why you

05:33:52.040 don't let women vote there is no amount of reasoning logic um talking to them explaining

05:33:57.460 demos it doesn't matter she's right because she's right because it's her what it comes down to is

05:34:01.920 her preference she prefers things a certain way and therefore it is because it is because it is

05:34:06.100 and that's you'll never get past that suggest she's got like a intellectual ceiling that forbids

05:34:11.140 her from understanding anything past i want because i want because i want and it is because

05:34:16.240 it is uh here's what i suggest people go on my we should go if you guys want to go on my social

05:34:22.640 media platforms especially instagram and we can and you can watch the debate between myself and

05:34:28.620 her uh husband on those topics well you know what we're gonna do for yourself i don't know if

05:34:33.660 you looked at the comments i don't know if andrew's still watching but andrew we'll get you a

05:34:38.240 1v1 with andrew yeah absolutely we'll get you a 1v1 with andrew that would be don't do that to my

05:34:43.020 poor husband here look why do you hate him brian what are you doing what can i say i'm a sadist

05:34:48.960 um but uh or a masochist i don't know i don't know which one probably a little bit of uh we're all

05:34:56.120 gluttons for punishment, I guess. But here's what we'll do. We have some reads that we have to do.

05:35:03.440 We have some super chats, but we keep getting a little distracted. So we'll do closing now,

05:35:10.080 and then we'll save the reads for after the closing statement so we can at least

05:35:15.240 get through the closing statements. So for those watching, if you want to ask a question,

05:35:20.800 leave a statement, we do have some that are in the pipeline. Those of you who are patiently

05:35:25.880 waiting we'll get to those ten dollar display hundred dollar read drop us a follow prime sub

05:35:31.100 twitter tv slash whatever drop us a like uh like the video buy rachel wilson's book oh my god my

05:35:36.220 mic almost dropped uh occult feminism amazon.com slash or amazon amazon amazon uh you can buy her

05:35:43.400 book there also debate university if you want to learn how to become a master debater you scream

05:35:48.240 at the mic that's how you do it debate university.com okay so let's do closing statements

05:35:54.600 I believe you get to go first with your closing statement, and then Rachel will go second.

05:36:02.120 Go ahead.

05:36:02.880 Sure.

05:36:03.220 My closing statement would be that, again, rights are natural.

05:36:09.420 Men and women deserve equal voting rights.

05:36:13.300 That's basically it.

05:36:14.280 And saying that women deserve equal voting rights and financial rights as men does not a feminist make.

05:36:23.220 by that definition, which you like to put upon pretty much everybody, then most people would be

05:36:30.620 called feminists. And I think you do the movement, the conservative movement, a disservice

05:36:37.040 pretty much by advocating for relinquishing women's rights as a whole. And if you don't

05:36:44.740 agree with, like you said, a constitutional republic, if you don't agree with women's voting

05:36:50.820 rights, if you don't agree with women not having financial independence, may I suggest visit Iran,

05:36:58.560 go live there, one-way ticket, anywhere else in the world where women don't have rights,

05:37:02.600 and actually practice what you preach. And also, don't vote, like you said you have before,

05:37:09.120 and that, like how you said, you will continue to do in the future. I actually walk the walk

05:37:15.460 and talk the talk I practice what I preach and I think that is what proves that my ideas my ideas

05:37:24.840 stand so just like I would tell a commie that lives in the U.S. if you don't like it here if

05:37:31.420 you don't like our values go to Cuba go to Venezuela anywhere else in the world that's what

05:37:38.240 I would recommend go somewhere or set up your own country call it whatever you want where

05:37:44.740 women don't have equal values to men. Me, on the other hand, I'm actually going to make arguments

05:37:51.380 that help people come to our side rather than tell them the solution is you don't get a right

05:37:59.140 to vote. That is illogical. It's never going to happen. And so it's a non-solution. It's just a

05:38:06.040 grifting talking point. That's my closing statement. All right. Thank you very much for

05:38:12.340 that. Rachel, if you'd like to give yours. Yeah. So all we heard for the last several hours was

05:38:18.380 contradictions, logical fallacies, conflation, just a total contradiction machine. She would

05:38:26.400 make libertarian arguments and say, I want individualism. I don't want the government

05:38:30.600 involved. And then make arguments where she'd say the government needs to come in and equalize

05:38:34.140 things just lots of obfuscation stonewalling no actual arguments at all she doesn't even

05:38:42.580 understand what an argument is an argument is not just asserting your opinion you have to have a

05:38:48.440 grounding foundation behind what your opinion is and you have to be able to demonstrate it

05:38:53.560 and point out that the other person has incoherencies or inconsistencies in their worldview

05:38:58.860 Not only did she fail to do that, but she just resorted to being obnoxious.

05:39:03.580 So basically, everything I predicted in my opening is exactly what happened.

05:39:08.780 She came to a debate completely unarmed.

05:39:11.900 Like I said, if this was a beauty pageant, she'd do great.

05:39:14.420 Unfortunately, debating is not her forte, and after this, I expect she'll fade back into relative obscurity

05:39:19.860 among the sea of conservative MAGA Barbies who are out there just posting these same garbage talking points

05:39:26.660 that haven't helped anyone or done anything to move us in a direction we want to go. Certainly

05:39:31.320 not as conservatives, because as we demonstrated, she is most certainly not a conservative.

05:39:36.020 So this idea that my job as a woman is to maintain the image and the PR status of the sisterhood at

05:39:45.360 the cost of truth is bullshit. I understand why it rubs a lot of women the wrong way. I understand

05:39:50.880 that it makes them uncomfortable. I do not care. And the reason I do not care is because the

05:39:56.020 undeniable result of almost 100 years of feminism is that children are growing up in broken homes.

05:40:02.920 They are growing up without their dads in a lot of cases. They're growing up being raised in daycares

05:40:07.740 because moms think that they need to work, and they prioritize career over their own children.

05:40:11.860 They outsource the most important thing they can do with their lives to some random

05:40:15.640 daycare worker, wage slave, and let the state raise their kids in public schools.

05:40:20.720 and I'm not going to ever sacrifice the well-being of children on the altar of feminism so that

05:40:26.980 people like Drianne can feel good about her life choices or whatever it is that she wants.

05:40:32.860 I've been super consistent. All my arguments were coherent. I had grounding and foundation

05:40:37.500 for all of them. I had history and facts on my side, but I'm also able to actually articulate

05:40:44.120 why things ought be the case and poke all kinds of holes in her baseless assertions. So yeah,

05:40:51.060 this reminds me a lot of her telling me, please don't come on here and say the truth about women

05:40:57.200 if it makes them look bad because it gives up the game. Reminds me a lot of Susan B. Anthony

05:41:01.860 and Elizabeth Cady Stanton preventing women from being able to vote on whether or not they wanted

05:41:07.760 to vote. If you don't know that, it's actually a fact. Women always voted in referendums not

05:41:12.960 to pass the 19th women overwhelmingly voted against giving women voting rights and it wasn't

05:41:19.540 because they don't like women it was because they didn't want everyone to vote so there's there

05:41:23.740 should be massive restrictions on voting not just women but people who are taking more from the

05:41:28.500 system than they're getting back people who weren't born here there's all kinds of restrictions

05:41:33.720 you probably should have to pass a civics test you should probably have to pass tests on basic

05:41:39.300 knowledge about government. So it's not only women. However, I do think that letting women

05:41:44.480 does, letting women vote against their husband's vote separates families. It pits the sexes against

05:41:50.180 each other. And if we do care about families and intact marriages and getting men and women back

05:41:54.960 on the same page, we've got to stop with the delusions about the women's liberation stuff

05:42:00.700 and that it could ever exist in a world without the technology and the simps that allow it. So

05:42:06.140 i'm gonna say what's true regardless of whether or not the sisterhood likes it

05:42:11.760 fantastic all right we're gonna let some chats come through here remind you guys i i wanted to

05:42:20.080 hold some of the display chats just while they're giving their closing statements ten dollar for

05:42:25.500 display hundred dollar read if you've enjoyed the stream like the video let's get into some of the

05:42:30.900 chats we have craftsman ethos femcon being a tone police please remember you're being allowed to

05:42:37.500 talk right now by a man brian okay thank you for your super chat craftsman that's hilarious

05:42:44.840 uh appreciate that thank you craftsman guys w's in the chat for all these supporters tonight

05:42:50.920 christopher scott thank you for your super chat chris that's wrong most men who watch realize that

05:42:57.120 californian women and femcon women such as yourself are retorted retorted it's like the

05:43:06.600 combination of tortoise and retarded uh thank you for that christopher scott i do appreciate that

05:43:13.660 uh we have solo rob 90 who invited the fake blonde kamala hair oh sorry this is below the

05:43:22.240 threshold i apologize that should have just been the display oops oops oops oops oops she's as

05:43:29.580 blonde as she is conservative sorry i couldn't help myself why don't you accidentally post some

05:43:35.340 of the ones that are calling out rachel and you we have yeah oopsie what there's plenty of low

05:43:44.500 threshold comments that uh what it has if they're talking shit it has to be about i noticed one of

05:43:50.460 your good friends posting well not just my friends but no like your bestie from your instagram was

05:43:56.040 oh i saw him on there too yeah so uh as well so you've got your little trolls in the chat too

05:44:01.760 don't hold on actual followers and supporters wait hold on uh okay we have by the way what's

05:44:09.020 that whole thing with like hold on hold on hold on MAGA women i feel like that's just out of envy

05:44:14.140 is you know the blonde MAGA no they all jumped on this grifting train like there's one named

05:44:20.180 patriot barbie who did this um there's a whole bunch of these girls that were like oh my god

05:44:25.580 trump i'm mega come to my instagram and look at pictures of me in my star-spangled bikini i love

05:44:31.060 trump it's definitely like a phenomenon would you call the host at fox or you know okay his voice

05:44:37.580 immaterial objection immaterial objection relevance uh meme bird to femcon if you didn't

05:44:43.500 have breakfast today how would you feel lighter and what do men need to do to fix it to rachel

05:44:51.680 you're awesome and andrew has a great beard uh men burden men thank you for that appreciate it

05:44:57.500 we have the unknown soldier i don't see why nitwit is complaining about brian bringing on

05:45:03.180 dumb girls he platformed you twice show a little gratitude honey okay there i think brian is is

05:45:11.740 grateful for all of the uh all of the donations that is that is true i'm very bringing me on the

05:45:18.220 show or else it would not have been as i mean we could have put honestly we could have put another

05:45:22.720 feminist in that chair i doubt it because nobody nobody really triggers or apparently you've told

05:45:28.860 me that nobody's triggered you as much as i have in the last show i didn't i don't think i said

05:45:33.320 that although to be fair you were uh she's very special ruffled my feathers she's a very special

05:45:39.760 a very important person. You did ruffle my

05:45:41.940 feathers a little bit, but

05:45:43.180 not too hard. I missed

05:45:46.000 some. Hold on. We have Flavius

05:45:48.200 Oh, as a TTS.

05:45:49.920 Flavius underscore Asinus has

05:45:51.720 donated $200.

05:45:53.980 Now this Pusa has modicum of

05:45:55.880 modesty. Pusa. Alright.

05:45:57.660 Thank you for that, Flavius. We have

05:45:59.860 Doofus,

05:46:01.420 which will be a delay that I'll just

05:46:03.960 read it now. Again,

05:46:05.880 fix my toilet and then

05:46:07.840 sit down. Rachel

05:46:09.600 is right that is from doofus from doofus he wants you to fix his toilet that's a great point we

05:46:16.960 didn't get to touch on i'll believe that she wants equality when she demands equality and dirty

05:46:21.880 difficult and dangerous jobs until then until then you're full of shit you don't want equality

05:46:27.460 men can hire women to cook for them and clean for them and women can hire men okay well where's all

05:46:32.640 the women volunteering to clean sewers and pick up trash and do logging well they want equality

05:46:38.440 Why don't they want to do all the dirty, dangerous, difficult stuff?

05:46:41.100 No, they want equal choice, Rachel.

05:46:42.740 There's a difference.

05:46:42.980 They've always had equal choice.

05:46:44.460 Yeah, they can choose to go into this person.

05:46:46.260 They could choose to do those things before.

05:46:49.260 They could choose to do whatever they wanted before.

05:46:52.340 Feminism just forced everybody to make them elevated.

05:46:55.740 You're the one who's trying to force people into being one thing or the other, Rachel.

05:47:01.000 I think women should be mothers, but they can also be whatever the heck else they want to.

05:47:04.860 Did I say they couldn't?

05:47:06.300 No, I never said that.

05:47:07.380 Of course I didn't.

05:47:08.520 I said they can do that after they fulfill their duty to society.

05:47:13.060 You can do more than one thing.

05:47:16.000 Yes, I agree with you.

05:47:17.380 Okay, we have, he sent it in twice, I guess, Joe Blow.

05:47:21.980 Joe Blow donated $200.

05:47:24.980 That's a slightly different one.

05:47:26.180 It has a modicum of modesty, typical.

05:47:31.260 I don't even, the sentence is not coherent.

05:47:35.820 I've been doing this.

05:47:36.940 we've been here like what five hours now yeah we're just there's a few chats that are finishing

05:47:41.620 up we have joss tomron you can boil the vote issue down to the fact that men are forced

05:47:49.540 to go to war if need be women have got the comfort of the vote without the responsibility

05:47:55.620 on top of abandoning their procreating um i am not in favor of any kind of draft or

05:48:03.920 men being it doesn't matter we live in reality and we have a draft we have a draft though you're

05:48:08.760 not getting rid of it and it's not going anywhere yes that can actually that oh now things can

05:48:14.580 change brian that's a larger that's actually another contradiction that is more realistic

05:48:20.700 um than women having their right to vote taken away yeah but that wouldn't be perpetually binding

05:48:27.100 like okay you get rid of the draft war is not going away so the draft is not going away

05:48:33.660 definitely not although i don't think it'll ever be used because of like you mentioned wait we're

05:48:38.600 closer technology that's crazy you don't did you just see how many men were killed in russia and

05:48:45.500 ukraine over the past few years i'm talking about technology did not rachel it would be the same

05:48:50.420 thing if we were iran we have service people who are being killed right now there i disagree with

05:48:56.260 what i'm saying my argument is that we are not going to invoke a draft anytime how can you say

05:49:02.360 you can't say that there's at we're going to in fact it's inevitable that we will again at some

05:49:07.880 point okay it's inevitable that we will well we'll see if we're all she just lives in delulu land

05:49:13.740 where she has she has normalcy bias where in her lifetime this is how it's always been therefore

05:49:19.300 it's always going to be that way so another fallacy the normalcy bias statistical probability

05:49:24.020 no it's not you have no statistics to back that up you just keep asserting wait wait wait rachel

05:49:29.480 Well, wouldn't statistics...

05:49:30.560 Are we done since we just finished our...

05:49:32.920 Statistics would bear out that we're going to probably have a draft.

05:49:36.360 Well, yes, we do the closing arguments, but we also allow people to have some chats come through.

05:49:40.920 But wouldn't the statistical...

05:49:43.480 Statistically, there have been...

05:49:45.980 The fact that we have the kind of technology that doesn't require boots on the ground like we did in previous wars.

05:49:53.840 Women think that because they have no idea.

05:49:56.360 You have no idea about war.

05:49:58.780 That's not true.

05:50:00.160 It's going to be drones, bro.

05:50:01.440 It's going to be drones.

05:50:02.220 Yeah, it's all going to be drones.

05:50:03.740 It's going to be electrical grids going down.

05:50:06.180 It's going to be cyber warfare.

05:50:07.800 It's going to be that kind of stuff.

05:50:09.400 That'll be a component, but if that's the case, then why are there currently people in the military, like actual humans in the military?

05:50:18.340 There's still some jobs that can't be filled by a robot AI or those things.

05:50:23.840 I'm like, okay, that's crazy.

05:50:25.800 That's crazy.

05:50:26.520 Not going to be the case.

05:50:29.040 Sure.

05:50:29.460 So even if we were to grant that there will never be a draft again,

05:50:32.380 it is still a prerequisite for men to have access to the vote.

05:50:36.400 And if they don't register for the Selective Service, technically a felony, $250,000 fine.

05:50:41.540 They're barred from certain federal jobs, from receiving federal student loans.

05:50:47.840 So even then there's still –

05:50:48.820 I disagree with all that.

05:50:49.800 You –

05:50:50.480 Disagree with all of that, yeah.

05:50:52.300 but it is the current status quo yeah maybe we should work towards removing that that is more

05:50:57.540 well maybe we should work towards how about women sign up for the draft well what they

05:51:01.800 again probably not gonna happen what they did do recently why shouldn't we but what they did

05:51:08.120 to make it fair if you want equality women ought to sign up for the draft just like men right

05:51:13.740 wouldn't that be equality i want equality which is why i want men to not have to sign up for the

05:51:19.660 draft like women okay then if we get invaded by a foreign power who fights uh how about we finish

05:51:26.460 these because that's what i thought she's got nothing uh no i made my you've got nothing

05:51:30.980 i made my argument what you want is equality when and where it suits you and then you want men to

05:51:37.880 as long as one sex is expected to die for the other there cannot be equality

05:51:43.000 yes exactly yes exactly absolutely right correct most men are not dying for women the expectation

05:51:52.540 is that when it comes down to it the men the women and children get the lifeboats and the men are

05:51:58.960 supposed to sacrifice their lives for the women and the children and as long as that's the

05:52:02.740 expectation there's no such thing as equality and that's never going to change and in reality

05:52:06.900 uh that doesn't happen to their again very a little bit i can kind of see it tom green i can

05:52:14.220 see it a little bit uh when he was younger you know the yeah the comedian yeah yeah the salad

05:52:20.360 fingers yeah yeah i'm trying to remember his big thing or whatever um christopher scott you said

05:52:25.760 not allowing women to vote is illogical what law of logic does not allowing women to violate

05:52:30.180 do you want to respond to that you love logic you should know the three laws of logic right

05:52:36.180 i've already um i've already answered that question multiple times i'm trying to get off

05:52:41.960 this podcast well i mean be a good sport that people sent in some super chats there's no such

05:52:47.300 thing as a law of logic how's that are you serious the law of logic that's a good one

05:52:53.980 oh my gosh okay so you don't know that there's you want to do a bet a thousand dollar bet

05:52:59.100 a law of logic you just sat here on this podcast and the last podcast talking about how you're

05:53:05.460 logical and you have the logic positions and you love logic and then you said there's no such thing

05:53:09.420 as the laws of logic what are there's a single definition of the law of logic is that where

05:53:14.260 you're arguing no there's three laws of logic okay that govern how logic works law of logic

05:53:20.620 he said which of the laws of logic which law of logic does not allow women would it be the i'm not

05:53:29.360 even gonna the law of identity what law of logic he's asking which the law of non-contradiction

05:53:38.060 these are laws that govern what is logical otherwise how would you know what's logical

05:53:41.940 what's logical is that men and women hold equal inherent value therefore they should have equal

05:53:48.660 legal representative she's a politician value and an equal she's a politician she doesn't give us

05:53:54.020 she won't give you a straight answer you can ask that is a straight answer that wasn't the answer

05:53:58.060 that you want to hear. Do you have two master's

05:54:00.300 degrees? Two bachelor's

05:54:02.200 degrees. Two bachelor's degrees. Long time

05:54:04.200 ago. Alright, we have Jim

05:54:06.040 Bob. We tried Christopher

05:54:08.220 Scott. Blondie

05:54:10.120 is not conservative. She still has not

05:54:12.200 been able to give the actual definition

05:54:13.800 and attributes of a conservative.

05:54:16.600 She also will never get married.

05:54:18.780 If she was wifey material,

05:54:20.940 her current man would have

05:54:22.120 put a ring on it, as we know

05:54:24.280 after a few days.

05:54:26.420 In her defense,

05:54:28.060 she has been married before i have she has so she did she did get married

05:54:33.680 she's no longer married yep but she did get married correct she got you there already

05:54:41.660 she's got you there jim bob uh okay let's see we have some let me just check yeah we do have a few

05:54:47.300 more coming in we have airborne where is it hold on one moment airborne animal oh did i wait airborne

05:54:56.260 animal leftist women i'm not gonna like this butterfly purposely misrepresent the whatever

05:55:04.360 good good use misrepresent the whatever podcast precisely because it holds a mirror up and

05:55:10.360 reflects their actual toxicity dishonesty and ignorance not one step back thank you airborne

05:55:17.960 animal is that not one step back thing like a gen z thing i've never heard of that it's a crucible

05:55:24.700 thing oh gotcha gotcha gotcha so people that are your husband's fans you know you could you could

05:55:30.860 like put the phone down and just you know be a little show a little show a little love to the

05:55:35.780 the chatter i am uh reaching out to the people that are uh which you guys read your comments

05:55:42.080 live i was going through mine telling me congratulations on this debate all right

05:55:47.180 woman come fix my toilet and fix the sewer and say we are equal and yes this is 450

05:55:52.960 he's he's keeping a spreadsheet of oh of all the yeah it's the same guy yeah hey that that uh that

05:56:03.880 title he decides to go under doofus actually you know kind of appropriate 450 so far on the show

05:56:11.200 just to thank you just to just to leave comments that's hilarious all right well i think that was

05:56:19.420 that last one a troll they're below the threshold i didn't i didn't even read them oh shit wait

05:56:25.720 okay uh i think that's it all right yeah i just those are the last fantastic do you promise me

05:56:39.460 andrew then for the next one like he said on the show uh last time i was there let me turn in tune

05:56:44.720 into andrew's screen here andrew just i can't hear the audio thumbs up thumbs down andrew uh

05:56:50.800 are you next andrew now that you sent in your wife to debate andrew do you thumbs up andrew

05:56:55.580 if you want to do a debate with uh drano sorry no i'm sorry dray brian driana yeah for the hundred

05:57:06.880 Andrew, Andrew, where do the Troy, do the Troy, you know, the Joaquin Phoenix, the be a man, Andrew, he says thumbs up, he double thumbs up, he wants two debates with you. Fantastic. Oh, shit. He looks so handsome. Oh, shit. There was one actually one thing I wanted to ask.

05:57:27.420 you had been interfacing with somebody online and Trump recently tweeted that he was glad this guy

05:57:40.660 who was prosecuting him died. Now I personally, I actually disagreed with, I disagreed with Trump

05:57:50.400 on this. Look, I understand this guy had it out for Trump and was probably like trying to ruin

05:57:55.320 trumps life essentially um and i think it's okay to strongly dislike or even hate somebody who's

05:58:01.180 trying to ruin your life but i do think like um and perhaps even privately you can have a degree

05:58:08.340 of okay well this guy's dead i'm not going to shed a tear but i do think it's it is in bad taste to

05:58:15.140 say that you're glad somebody's died even if it's an enemy um and you seem to be totally fine with

05:58:22.420 that why because of the trump's you were fine with trump's comment you're like yes i'm glad

05:58:29.680 where where have i said that i'm okay somebody sent me a message perhaps if i'm incorrect feel

05:58:35.780 free to correct me but is that your position uh i don't agree with a lot of uh a lot of the tone

05:58:43.500 again i'm big on tone oh surprise no it's not surprise it's consistency rachel and not hypocrisy

05:58:52.360 Um, I would definitely see how some people would disagree with, you know, Trump's comments. I

05:59:00.780 neither endorse nor, uh, condemn. I think that the reason why Trump got elected into office is

05:59:08.740 because he says things as he feels them. And it's the most honest of a president that we've ever

05:59:16.480 had because he has no filter. And I prefer a president without a filter over anything else.

05:59:21.100 so that's my comment on it that didn't even answer the the question but professional

05:59:26.900 okay just because i'm a lot more diplomatic and can control my emotions rachel does not mean i'm

05:59:33.980 a professional hold on i would have nothing to do with controlling emotions it's just like

05:59:36.980 you don't answer a question in a straightforward manner you don't even answer the question

05:59:42.100 oftentimes uh i answered your question i again just didn't answer what you wanted to hear

05:59:47.380 around the question i know it's triggering to not get exactly what you know she accuses me of not

05:59:54.800 controlling my emotions but she's so passive aggressive which is typical like snarky woman

06:00:01.180 behavior like if i'm just having fun and i'm talking like this and i get a little animated

06:00:05.560 it's like oh my god look at her she's so out of control but then she'll do the passive aggressive

06:00:09.860 snark and the smug and the arrogant like that doesn't come off horrible like everybody watching

06:00:16.860 isn't going to notice that uh yeah i think you think they're stupid you think people are dumb

06:00:22.740 and they can't see right through you uh i think most people watching this will have the right

06:00:27.000 opinion of me and of you afterwards i think they will too we agree on that okay we have doofus

06:00:32.760 the title dorfus it talking to you woman and yes he must be liquored up he must be doing shots he's

06:00:44.340 he's uh dorfus uh you need to change your name on streamlabs to dorfus from now on doofus

06:00:52.500 uh you got to change it to dorfus um that's like dorothy and orth never mind

06:00:59.740 uh i don't understand why feminists and femcons refuse to watch andrew or rachel debate

06:01:05.260 before these debates how do you come in not knowing the basic positions is it just laziness

06:01:11.140 says cha xd um it's very easy i have all of her uh talking points written down and they're all

06:01:21.540 the same i didn't have to sit and actually watch them though what you can do is download the

06:01:27.040 transcripts on youtube and then extract all these different arguments which is what i did because

06:01:31.120 i'm efficient on time and don't want to waste it hearing incorrect i can see that not preparing

06:01:37.940 properly did you a lot of favors uh yeah it should we do a roast session a roast session i'll leave

06:01:44.560 it up to both of you if you guys are down for a little roast i lower the tts a little bit no we

06:01:50.220 can come back though you can invite me back for a roast session for sure is she doing dating talk

06:01:55.500 tomorrow i don't think so no no she's it was just miami we have other good people on the

06:02:02.460 on the panel, though, so

06:02:04.500 that'll be good. Okay, we're going to wrap it there.

06:02:08.200 We did

06:02:09.040 go, we did have a long

06:02:11.160 debate. Well, I do want to, even though

06:02:12.800 it got heated in moments, and

06:02:14.660 I got, I caught,

06:02:17.320 caught, caught?

06:02:18.680 Caught. Caught some strays. I got some

06:02:21.000 strays for, I guess. I do want to

06:02:22.980 thank both of you for

06:02:24.400 participating in this debate. Rachel,

06:02:27.100 it's been almost two years since we've

06:02:28.520 last had you on, so it's great to have you back.

06:02:30.600 I think it will be two years.

06:02:32.100 Did I bring you back here, Rachel?

06:02:33.720 She was planned.

06:02:36.620 I was planned.

06:02:38.680 We've been wanting to have Rachel back regardless.

06:02:42.780 I don't think I need any help getting on large podcasts, but thanks.

06:02:46.920 Yeah, she was just on Joe Rogan.

06:02:48.540 She was on Joe Rogan.

06:02:50.000 I saw that too. Congratulations.

06:02:50.400 You did Steven Crowder too.

06:02:53.880 I'd like to see you on Fox News telling the female host that she is a Femcon.

06:02:58.880 I would be totally down for that.

06:03:00.600 she's a femcom but i've already been on fox news i was on tucker carlson too she was on tucker

06:03:05.320 carlson fantastic that's she was on me doing all of this while also submitting to my husband

06:03:11.640 and to my church and you know raising a bunch of kids killing it out here yeah 20 i think there's

06:03:19.000 a what two decade two decade almost two decades different no like a one i'm 13 years older than

06:03:26.040 you yeah decade and a half yeah you can catch up you still got plenty of time plenty i know

06:03:30.600 And I'll be, I mean, and I'll be voting the entire way and telling women to vote.

06:03:37.160 Uh, well, I'll be voting.

06:03:39.480 Oh my God.

06:03:40.380 No, I don't.

06:03:41.140 Oh, wait, wait, wait.

06:03:41.840 I don't tell women not to vote right now.

06:03:43.980 I tell all you married women, double your husband's vote.

06:03:48.040 Okay.

06:03:49.220 Go vote.

06:03:50.100 Just don't whatever your husband's voting.

06:03:52.100 You say, honey, what should I do?

06:03:53.420 And whatever he says, do that.

06:03:55.060 And you go out and vote.

06:03:56.040 and then when they rescind the 19th and they restrict voting if if all the feminists can't

06:04:02.060 vote anymore then you can just stay home you're gonna oh yeah just like roe v wade was never

06:04:06.360 going to get overturned just like the draft is you know we're just gonna never have a draft

06:04:11.360 don't hold your breath while you wait all right well that there it is folks that is the uh the

06:04:19.180 debate thank you uh thank you guys for joining us we let me get that super chat uh but thank you

06:04:25.220 guys for joining us guys if you enjoyed the stream kindly like the video also we are going to be live

06:04:30.980 tomorrow 5 p.m pacific with the dating talk rachel will be our special guest for that also so

06:04:37.700 we have a good panel scheduled for that doofus has to have the final word here as always you

06:04:45.000 didn't change your name it should be dorfus uh but thank you for that appreciate the support

06:04:50.620 tonight. Dwarfist.

06:04:52.920 Kans P90

06:04:54.960 with the big $200 soup chat. Thank you

06:04:56.820 Kans. A feminist will not admit to

06:04:58.740 be a feminist since today.

06:05:00.640 It has to be a bad

06:05:01.880 cognitate. Wait.

06:05:04.700 Cognitation. That's a new one.

06:05:06.500 I'm sure he meant to say. Cognitation.

06:05:08.920 Yeah. Isn't that a point

06:05:10.740 in my favor that I am convincing

06:05:12.600 because nobody wants to be called

06:05:14.600 a feminist anymore. Even like girls

06:05:16.580 like you will be like, I'm not a feminist.

06:05:18.280 What's wrong with being a feminist?

06:05:19.780 that are feminist do you want to be called a feminist women that are not feminist only the

06:05:25.580 ones that want to be wolves in sheep's clothing and go trust me guys i'm super conservative and

06:05:31.660 totally not a feminist yeah uh four years ago she would be a proud feminist says ken's p90

06:05:41.600 not cool anymore connotation we're winning because it's not cool anymore connotation nobody likes it

06:05:47.240 Well, thank you for the super chat there at the end, Ken.

06:05:49.860 Really very much appreciate it.

06:05:52.420 And, yeah, thank you, Ken.

06:05:55.100 Let's see.

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06:06:28.840 and uh also shout out to andrew who was uh sort of co-streaming who was uh doing a watch party

06:06:36.040 shout out to andrew uh hopefully we'll have him back uh you know soon uh always a pleasure to

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06:06:46.220 Thanks, Brian.

06:06:46.760 And the viewers, by popular demand,

06:06:48.800 they want to see you versus Andrew Wilson.

06:06:54.140 So it seems like she's game.

06:06:55.460 I'll be back.

06:06:55.740 He's game, so we'll do it.

06:06:57.480 Like Surtzeneko would say.

06:06:58.720 We will do it.

06:06:59.540 Okay, guys, let me just double check,

06:07:01.320 make sure I'm not missing any chats.

06:07:03.980 But no, I think we all look good.

06:07:05.960 Okay, let's see.

06:07:06.760 07's in the chat, guys.

06:07:08.060 07's in the chat.

06:07:08.960 I hope you guys have a good night,

06:07:10.100 and we'll see you tomorrow.

06:07:11.400 Good night, guys.

06:07:13.480 You

Whatever Podcast - April 02, 2026

Rachel Wilson vs. Feminist Conservative Driena Sixto Debate ｜ Whatever Debates 26

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