00:03:27.260I just don't like for subs to know too much about my personal life.
00:03:35.180that's pretty much it yeah i mean i'm over 18 so
00:03:43.280are you younger than 30 yes okay sometimes it's hard to tell you know so oh yeah yeah what about
00:03:54.400you oh did you finish your intro no i did not okay continue um so i did some college but then
00:04:00.980my college shut down suddenly so okay and where are you from los angeles okay all right uh what
00:04:08.620were you studying when you were in college musical theater all right what about you my name's grace i
00:04:14.660am originally from northern california currently living in san diego county i'm 44 and i have a
00:04:20.820cosmetology license and i've tried to get a degree a few times but you know my ex-husband was in the
00:04:27.460Marine Corps, so following him around kind of dampered that. Okay, what about you? My name is
00:04:34.960Mariana. I am 25 years old. I'm from Oregon, and I'm a certified stoner. I have no college
00:04:43.040education, got my GED, so I'm just learning about cannabis right now. I'm Annie. I'm 35. I'm from
00:04:52.180Pennsylvania near the Philadelphia area. I'm a full-time social media influencer, content creator,
00:04:59.340and I have a background in real estate photography and graphic design. You said 35 and 25 for you.
00:05:07.360Okay. You're a professional smoke smoker or what was it? Certified stoner. I made it. I made it
00:05:14.340a job. Switch the camera angles, please. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I create content regarding it.
00:05:21.940and want to help people understand what it is because I feel like there's a lot of stigma around
00:05:27.660it. Okay. All right. How long have you been smoking? Seven years. Are you currently
00:05:36.280rocked right now? Yeah. No. All right. What about you? My name is Olivia. I'm 33. I majored in dance
00:05:46.440at Dean College, and I'm re-enrolled in theology and minoring in pre-law with Liberty University,
00:05:52.980and I am a faith-based, anti-feminist, conservative content creator, and I am from
00:06:00.480Michigan. I'm sorry, could you repeat your age for me? I might have missed it. 33. 33, okay,
00:06:06.660thank you. All right, what about you? Hi, my name's Lexi. I'm 30 from New York. I am a full-time
00:06:15.260live streamer. I wouldn't say content creator. I kind of, you see my Instagram, it's very empty.
00:06:22.700I am only live streaming right now currently on this app called Favorited, but I do have plans of
00:06:30.120getting my real estate license and a few other fun projects. And I originally went to school
00:06:38.440at Iona for criminal justice and psychology. And then, sorry, I did graduate school at John Jay
00:06:46.680for my master's in forensic mental health counseling. Gotcha. When did you get your
00:06:51.860master's degree? So I technically didn't finish it. Okay. You went there for your master's. Okay.
00:07:00.520I needed to take maybe two or three classes, including an externship, and kind of realized a few years into working in the psychology field that it was a lot more than I could emotionally handle.
00:07:18.380So I chose to take a step back and focus on being an entrepreneur.
00:24:49.540Yeah. I mean, if I think push comes to shove, I needed something, I could call him. I'm pretty close friends with his wife.
00:25:00.520And you said it was a dysfunctional relationship?
00:25:05.680You know, I mean, I think he's a good person. I think I'm a good person. I've used the analogy that it's like we're oil and water. We shake it up, we act like we mesh well, but then we repel each other.
00:25:17.580Was there anything in the divorce? Was there anything cited specifically, you know, irreconcilable?
00:25:24.580California is a no-fault state, so irreconcilable.
00:26:11.580lower the numbers. And so wait, you, you married in, was it 2004, 2004, and you stayed with him
00:26:18.140until it was 26? 2018 was when our divorce was finalized. We filed in 2015. And you were with
00:26:23.880him. So 14 years, right. And so, so it was finalized in 2018. Yeah. Okay. He retired in
00:26:32.4602015. So they figure I get 50% of the 11 and a half years, basically, because that's when we
00:26:40.500were together that he was earning the retirement so will he be paying you alimony for the duration
00:26:47.000of his life the retirement yes wow um and uh it's not a ton of money but you know it helps
00:26:56.200okay and uh he was also paying you child support too now what i'm assuming it sounds like this
00:27:02.600arrangement was dictated by the court yeah the court it wasn't like informally
00:27:08.300I mean, we worked with the mediator through a military base legal mediator helped us come up
00:27:16.380with numbers. Were you working at all at the time or? So when we lived in Okinawa, Japan,
00:27:22.180I had a salon in our house. My son was kindergarten when we moved there. So
00:27:28.280I was able to do hair while he was at school. When did you move back to the USA?
00:27:32.960um so i was in japan end of 2012 through may of 2015 and then he retired in august of 2015
00:27:42.740i see okay yeah okay uh and then do question for you do you think it's fair that he has a
00:27:53.540uh essentially you guys were together for 15 years which to be fair is a long time
00:27:58.860In my understanding of the law, once you've been married beyond 10 years, that's when some of these long or sometimes lifelong alimony responsibilities start to kick in.
00:28:12.320Do you think it's fair, though, that given that you guys have been separated for such a long period of time, eight years at this point, that he should still be paying you money?
00:28:23.220Well, I mean, the retirement, I basically was an extension of him.
00:28:28.400you know following him everywhere the Marine Corps sent us so the Marine Corps moves him
00:28:33.740around every three years so it's often he was in the Marine Corps yes what was his job in the
00:28:39.240military police oh he's military police yeah so he would enforce military laws among the
00:28:46.740basically like a cop on yeah well you can't call a Marine a soldier but they're Marines
00:28:52.200soldiers army aren't marines soldiers no well they will will they get offended by that i've
00:29:00.200never heard that so yeah um so air forces airmen navy seamen marines the marine
00:29:07.500yeah well they're all they're all soldiers nope if you're in the navy you're a soldier nope if
00:29:15.200you're in the army you're a soldier am i i don't know maybe somebody in the chat general population
00:29:19.560The motivation probably agrees with that.
00:35:56.020Like, okay, look, you took time away from work so that you could stay at home, take care of the kid.
00:36:03.180but now that there's not a kid involved and this is basically the same thing as like a 401k
00:36:08.820like would you be asking somebody who is really splitting a 401k post-divorce he worked for it
00:36:15.700well no but he receives a military was it military retirement pension retirement yeah
00:36:22.760i mean it's essentially the same thing um uh well and you know i was taking care of him
00:36:31.400all those years that we were taking care of you food utilities the rent he paid everything right
00:36:38.940that seems like at some points for well for a 15 year period of time when you guys were living
00:36:44.900together it you were staying at home it sounds like he was the primary soul breadwinner even
00:36:49.980i mean he was at certain points um while we're in japan i definitely i was pretty successful
00:36:56.080while we're there. Okay, sure. You did your part in moments. Can you do that now? Can you
00:37:03.680work now? Unfortunately, I get pretty bad sciatica, so doing hair full-time
00:37:10.420unfortunately caused a lot of pain. What about a desk job or something like that? Can't you
00:37:15.340find another career path? I'm working on it. I'm sorry, I keep asking you to define things,
00:37:21.260but can you define the sciatica? I don't know what that is. Oh, it's the sciatic nerve
00:37:26.020goes through your back down to your legs and if it gets pinched it causes like I would rather
00:37:32.840be in labor than have sciatica sciatica is way worse I mean you could definitely work from home
00:37:38.160like on the computer you could lay on the I'd like my boyfriend literally he works on his computer
00:37:42.340oh sorry my boyfriend works from his computer from home a lot and he can lay on the couch he can
00:37:47.980do whatever he wants I mean there's definitely jobs out there for sure especially in this day
00:37:51.740age that you know you could most definitely do that would not you know compromise your health
00:37:57.780with that condition though was your husband active duty like was so he was in combat ever no he he
00:38:05.400was deployed to kuwait prior to us getting married but that was the only deployment did he ever
00:38:10.280discharge his weapon in the line of service i mean aside from training exercises i don't believe so
00:38:17.040okay i'm sorry the whole like i did my part sometimes by having some retail jobs and that
00:38:22.740equates to equal value of him putting his life on the front line to defend your freedom that's
00:38:28.240going to be a no for me but same same well it sounds to be fair it sounds like he wasn't a
00:38:35.740combat soldier he was a military police which yeah so he was police officer on the base basically
00:38:41.300Right. Which, I mean, does carry risks. Still carries risks and is just stressful. I mean, being a law enforcement officer is a stressful job. You're often dealing with complicated people, let's say.
00:39:25.800like on a Marine Corps base, there will be a Naval hospital. So the Navy does all the medical
00:39:31.120on Marine Corps base. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking like, cause sometimes the military
00:39:35.840police, like, let's say there's a, a cadet or recruit or whatever, or Marine who's like out
00:39:41.700drunk in the, the bar area of Okinawa or whatever. Like I'm assuming like, and he's acting a fool,
00:39:48.780like a military police officer is going to come. And if there's also like an airman who's in the
00:39:54.500group and they're all i don't know if there would be some sort of authority over the uh even though
00:40:01.460it's a different branch if like the airman's part in in cahoots with the marine who's acting
00:40:09.460ridiculous it doesn't matter but no i get what you're saying i do believe in something like that
00:40:15.440they would try to call his command but i don't know maybe we could uh maybe you could just let
00:40:20.160him off the hook what do you think today no maybe some down the line down down the line does he is
00:40:26.060he or wait do you think that he's bothered by it is he bothered by i hope he bothered by it
00:40:32.740i'm fucking pissed like imagine think of it like this think of i i know maybe some of you haven't
00:40:39.320been married in these situations but think about some ex-boyfriend from years ago and like every
00:40:44.180month you got paying 300 bucks yeah i know you'd be like what the fuck the kid's gone i know somebody
00:40:49.000that's in this situation who's not divorced and the person won't sign the paperwork and they were
00:40:55.520military and she's literally holding on to it just for a paycheck that's horrible and he has ptsd for
00:41:02.760me like a combat veteran he served in iraq and yeah she literally sees him as a paycheck
00:41:10.580i guess my better question is are you are you intentionally doing this because you're vengeful
00:41:17.100or is it just because it is how it is and you haven't ever thought about the fact of how he
00:41:22.460could be responding to that emotionally like if he's never complained about it to you to your face
00:41:29.780and you don't have the vengeful intention why break something that wasn't broken like if it's
00:41:36.380working for you if it's working for you and you know he's not mad about it or he's at least not
00:41:41.060vocal about it why break something that's not broken i mean it's legally what was that's what
00:41:49.820i'm saying you guys had a mediator though so it wasn't amicable hold on legally used to be able
00:41:54.200to own slaves not today though i legally you could own slaves was it was it was it correct yeah
00:42:02.940like we could i mean perhaps in your position you might not agree with this but
00:42:10.200there is some social current that does seem to point towards certain degrees of alimony and
00:42:19.760child support as being a bit unfair towards the payer. Like, should you be bound for, imagine,
00:42:28.780say you were married from the age of 20 to 31, and then this woman at 31, she divorces him.
00:42:36.260I'm not saying you did this. Let's say she cheats on him. Legally, she's still owed alimony.
00:42:42.380I mean, you could even remove the cheating component to it. But that is a scenario where
00:42:48.520the woman can be at fault for the cause of the divorce and still receive the benefits. But
00:42:53.640should this man, say, 30 years later, still have to pay her alimony? I think not. I don't think,
00:43:04.580okay you married at 20 you divorced at 31 it was past 10 years sometimes i think it depends on the
00:43:10.140state the laws vary but i think past 10 years you can get into permanent life alimony territory
00:43:16.660and which we didn't we agreed to just have the alimony go until our son graduated high school
00:43:22.340so well the child support no alimony alimony and so you're not getting alimony anymore or you're
00:43:27.860just getting the retirement that's the retirement well that's alimony that's still not alimony
00:43:32.800well i could um well it's an asset regard i i would suppose regardless of how we categorize it
00:43:40.420he owes you a financial burden like he has to pay you money beyond the course uh
00:43:46.380like for forever yeah i don't know like if it was before we moved to japan we were contemplating
00:43:56.740getting divorced at that point and that was when he decided to start going back to church and i said
00:44:02.680you know if if we do if i do go to japan with you and we do try it'll put us over the 10-year mark
00:44:10.160and it'll change things financially afterwards oh you had that conversation i didn't have that
00:44:13.780conversation with him and the marriage was in california yes and the divorce proceedings i'm
00:44:19.860assuming in california yeah california uh life alimony cutoff date i don't know if that's gonna
00:44:27.960prompt it there's no automatic lifetime alimony for marriages of 10 years or more the court the
00:44:35.980court often keeps jurisdiction indefinitely allowing support to continue until death of
00:44:42.460either party so if 10 years that in california at least where where you had your marriage and
00:44:48.540divorce it is 10 years so damn that's uh yeah that sucks that i don't know i don't know that's
00:45:00.720the risk of marriage everybody has to know that going into it you could lose everything wait a
00:45:05.460minute i think everybody at this table probably besides me and maybe a couple well a few of you
00:45:10.440but that side of the table is gonna say men and women are equal so why is it only the men that
00:45:15.760have to pay but why do you assume that no you don't think that men and women are equal
00:45:20.600i don't believe that men and women are equal in the physical and emotional sense by scientific
00:45:29.260biology we're not but i don't believe that because of biology we should be treated and legally equal
00:45:35.140though you believe in legal and political equality between men and women i would assume it's pretty
00:45:41.220rare that i come across women who don't like i believe that should happen or do i believe that's
00:45:45.680what's in society that's how it ought to be i believe that is how it ought to be okay then if
00:45:50.920you believe that's how it ought to be why is it only the man that has to pay the alimony
00:45:55.300or the spousal support that's country law that's um belief by i understand what is why ought that
00:46:02.360be the case why aren't you saying look if we have equality there should be equality in divorce too
00:46:07.820i believe that is true and that's why i was like that's the risk if you're marrying with the laws
00:46:12.780that way that's the risk you take unless you want to deal with that then don't get married
00:46:18.600so men don't get married that is like the simple point no one wants to have that conversation
00:46:24.980because like that's wild why not get married but also divorce is a pain you know and i feel like
00:46:30.840a lot of people don't think through their decision of marriage because i mean we're having this
00:46:36.080conversation right now like if it's fair or not but that was i think the solution is to change
00:46:41.340the laws i don't think that marriage should even be through the laws and the courts that should be
00:46:45.520governed by the church but we can get into that later yeah well so like hypothetically in my
00:46:50.520situation say i had been the active duty military member and he had been a stay-at-home parent
00:46:56.340after getting divorced i absolutely would be paying him the money so it's not the
00:47:01.400the because he was the man it was because he was the breadwinner and that was an asset that was
00:47:08.040earned during the marriage so she she is right insofar as uh it's not the the laws are not
00:47:15.260specifically gendered that says men it's it's right but do men are men typically women have
00:47:22.860the children and so everything's set up that you know if you just decide i'm not happy you just
00:47:28.560leave and he owes you for life i don't know that that don't seem right i mean it was something it
00:47:34.440was probably more complicated than i just wasn't happy the relationship wasn't good well we're here
00:47:39.880to talk about relationships so like maybe you can give us like a hint as to what else was going on
00:47:44.840or i mean he would yell at me often like i don't think women should tolerate being yelled at by
00:47:50.840their husbands well i think i think there's i think there's definitely times when uh your
00:47:58.980husband might need to set you straight and i don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that
00:48:04.200i mean wives yell at their husbands plenty don't they if i was going to be giving somebody
00:48:09.060constructive criticism to set them straight do you think yelling at them is going to be the way to
00:48:15.080have them receive the message? I think that expecting men to act like women and be
00:48:23.880to psychologize everything and sound like an HR manager, men are not going to, this is what women
00:48:30.260need to understand. If you want to get married, don't have the expectation that a man is going
00:48:34.140to sit down and go, now, sweetie, I would like to share with you my feelings about what just
00:48:40.360transpired and it's okay if you want to share i'm gonna share like that's not how men communicate
00:48:45.880men are more straightforward and they'll say they'll usually try to talk to you first and go
00:48:50.620hey i don't like this this behavior needs to change whatever and then when we cry or equivocate
00:48:56.860or give them all kinds of trouble or dance around it or turn it into a five day long argument they
00:49:01.100usually have enough and then they explode and then they yell now maybe that's not what happened
00:49:06.380with you. But when women say emotional abuse to me, the first thing that comes to my head is
00:49:11.640they're thinking that the man needs to act like a mommy. He needs to act like a girl. He needs to
00:49:17.160communicate like a female would. And that's not fair to expect from men. And I think that if you
00:49:22.880want that, you should marry a woman. I mean, don't marry a woman because that's not a thing.
00:49:26.480I feel like in our relationship, I was probably more in his mommy role versus his wife role,
00:49:32.940because it's like hey the lawn needs to get mowed yeah i'll do it tomorrow and it's like hey can you
00:49:40.020just see that the lawn needs to get mowed and i'm doing xyz and that sounds like every yeah that
00:49:45.200sounds like every marriage yeah it's like i don't think it's too much to ask for another grown adult
00:49:51.640to actively be participating in the home instead of it isn't but is it worth breaking a family up
00:49:57.360over because the grass is a little long like you really this no i mean that was just one example
00:50:02.620Well, it's just one example. What I, what I, and I used to do this myself when I was younger. I used
00:50:07.280to do this too. And I've seen all the women in my life do this. You're watching the man and you're
00:50:12.220going, he didn't see, does he not see that the grass needs to be mowed? And did he not see that
00:50:17.260he dropped his socks on the bathroom floor and didn't pick them up? And I've told him to for a
00:50:20.940million times. He doesn't care about me. I've told him I don't like that. That means he doesn't care
00:50:27.420about me. He doesn't love me. That's emotional abuse. But in men's minds, they're going, I got
00:50:32.460to go to work. I got to deal with my boss. I got to make sure that bill gets paid. I'm exhausted.
00:50:37.94020 other people are calling me with things that they want. I'm going to get to, it's just fucking
00:50:42.460grass. You know, in a man's mind, it's like, it's just socks. It's just grass. They're not trying to
00:50:48.200say, I don't love you. And if you can understand that and go, it's just grass. We'll get, we'll get
00:50:53.440through the grass. I had this big aha moment with my husband years and years ago where we were
00:50:58.640fighting over something small and stupid. It was so small and stupid that I don't even remember what
00:51:02.360it is. And I just wouldn't drop it. I was probably on my period, to be perfectly honest, because I
00:51:07.620only get like that when I'm, you know, that time of the month. And finally, he just looked at me,
00:51:11.840said, are you going to divorce me over this? Is it that important to you that you're going to
00:51:15.560divorce? Are you going to walk away and divorce me? And I went, no. And he was like, all right,
00:51:21.380then drop it. And I was really mad in the moment. But when I walked away and calmed down, I went,
00:51:26.200you know, he's right. Like our marriage, our family together is way bigger than whatever
00:51:30.460this petty thing is or even a bunch of petty things and maybe I should try to be more understanding
00:51:36.780of like where his mind has to be what it takes to be a breadwinner and a provider all of the things
00:51:42.280that he carries on his shoulders that we don't really think about and I think women we process
00:51:47.200everything through our own experience and our own feelings and we personalize stuff so much that
00:51:52.180when men do little things like that uh and I've just seen this happen to so many of my friends
00:51:57.440and family members like a couple I know got divorced because and the woman said he sets his
00:52:02.280coffee down on the on the counter every day and it drips and it leaves a ring and I've told him a
00:52:08.000million times that I that bugs me and he just won't wipe the all he has to do is wipe the coffee
00:52:13.920and that's how I know he doesn't care about me okay but at the same time if he's the breadwinner
00:52:18.940if he's the breadwinner and you're staying home like you're cooking you're cleaning you're being
00:52:23.060the traditional wife yeah then like i'm not gonna lie he's out there making all the money paying all
00:52:28.420the bills then like it's okay you can pick up the socks like that's your job you know like you can
00:52:34.000maybe you can't mow the lawn and maybe if he if he's truly too busy or he just really hates mowing
00:52:39.920the lawn maybe maybe go to him and go you know would it make sense to pay somebody to come and
00:52:44.080mow the lawn can we afford that maybe that would be better um i just think we are i think and i
00:52:50.740think it's a lot of cultural influence that tells us to constantly keep track of everything the man's
00:52:54.720not doing and every little infraction that he makes instead of being like really generous and
00:52:59.180going you know men have a lot on their plate they don't cry about it he's not going to come tell me
00:53:02.980all his problems he's going to keep it in here and try to deal with it so I don't know and we call
00:53:08.760it being an independent woman and they just call it being an adult and go about their lives and I
00:53:13.300find it really interesting that as a majority women obviously love testosterone when it comes
00:53:18.900to paying for things, providing, protecting, putting their life on the line in the bedroom.
00:53:24.320And I know that because even though the majority of the brainwashed feminists online say they
00:53:28.760hate being controlled by a man, statistically what's funny is when they are alone in their
00:53:34.060rooms at night, the most viewed adult content topic is what? Being controlled by a man. So
00:53:39.080it's almost like they're denying their biology so hard. And then when they're alone, it just
00:53:44.120comes out and they can't deny it. Um, but it's kind of unfair that we're willing to enjoy the
00:53:50.040benefits of testosterone, but then unwilling to nurture it when it comes to us needing to be kind
00:53:55.840and understanding of those things. Like they are tenfold because our emotions are haywire,
00:54:01.520which we can admit through, it seems like silly memes, like, Oh, I said that crazy thing on my
00:54:07.340period. But when you're asked, it's like, no, sorry about what I said when I was hungry.
00:54:11.260exactly it's like no vote for her for president it's okay if she bombs texas when she's pmsing
00:54:16.920like no so none of that makes sense to me and it's not hard to just wipe up the ring call someone to
00:54:23.420mow the lawn or yeah do it yourself or you know and to be fair though our generation we're about
00:54:29.120the same age our generation especially the boomers um that everybody born between like 1960 and 1990
00:54:35.880we had movies tv magazines radio programs everything in the media everything in the
00:54:41.660pop culture was like men suck think of every every sitcom homer simpson everybody loves
00:54:48.380raymond like all the men are idiots they're bumbling fools and the wife's just like
00:54:52.920this guy is so stupid and i have to take care of everything and he just wouldn't be able to live
00:54:58.680if i didn't do every little thing what an idiot and it's like we just really got bombarded with
00:55:03.000that propaganda. And I think it made all of us look at our relationships and constantly count
00:55:08.980everything that we think he should be doing that he's not doing or all the little ways that he
00:55:14.380didn't take into account our feelings or nurture our emotions or things like that. And the truth
00:55:19.180is like marriage is a lifelong commitment. You're going to have a lot of ups and downs. You're going
00:55:23.840to disappoint each other. You're going to say bad things to each other. You're going to get into bad
00:55:27.240habits that you got to break. And it takes, you know, wanting to work through that stuff. But
00:55:31.580I just I just feel like when I hear emotional abuse more often than like real emotional abuse
00:55:38.040would be something like he wouldn't let me speak to my own children uh he wouldn't let me leave the
00:55:43.000house and you know uh see my friends or like something major like that not like I told him
00:55:49.260to mow the lawn and he said he would do it tomorrow and then he didn't so an example of something that
00:55:53.660would probably fit a little bit more with what you're saying is he liked to kind of buddy up
00:55:59.240with whoever my closest girlfriend was and like try and talk bad about me and like try to like
00:56:04.860you know so you have to invade a man poison there well well that would be legitimate yeah that would
00:56:11.780be legitimate and then because i mentioned women i don't think you should do that i don't think you
00:56:15.860should get together with your friends and talk shit about your husbands either so i don't know
00:56:19.740with your partner stays with like if you have an argument yeah you're not gonna go tell your friend
00:56:23.180what is wrong with you it's it's not a relationship with you your partner and your friend it's between
00:56:28.280you and your partner it's private so and you're gonna forgive and then you mentioned everybody
00:56:33.160loves raymond raymond was horrible about using weaponized incompetence about like i'm gonna just
00:56:41.040do this so badly that she doesn't ask me to do it and it's like i mean the show worked it made you
00:56:48.240and then and then as as a mom my job never ends like am i allowed to be like oh yeah i've been
00:56:57.520playing with the kids all day or I've been feeding them or you know do all the mom stuff and like hey
00:57:02.440can I have a day off like are you gonna like most most no moms get days off yeah I don't know I had
00:57:10.300five so if I only had one that would seem like literally a vacation to me I I don't think that
00:57:15.620one would ever have given me although actually now that I think of it having one is harder than
00:57:20.560having two or more because when you only have one you're like their whole world you're their only
00:57:25.440person um you know until they're much older so it can be really tough up until they're like six or
00:57:30.720seven but uh I don't know I just feel like what do you think it was worth it now like investing all
00:57:41.100that time and then just and getting divorced and or do you wish you could go back now and do things
00:57:46.700differently you know having um had a child with somebody else um my son's dad was definitely a
00:57:55.160much more hands on dad i don't have any complaints about his participation and like the parenting
00:58:00.820aspect of it that's good um you know i i felt like it was i was his arm candy like he he liked
00:58:07.720me because he thought i was hot like it's a big part of our value that's fucked i'm sorry like
00:58:14.320i don't know why women always it's always like oh our values are our looks it's always our looks
00:58:18.880but no i mean no i know but it's fucked that it is because like we have so much more to offer
00:58:23.700then why are there so many people capitalizing on it because they choose to like what i'm a mechanic
00:58:30.280bro i fix those cars wait wait hold on let me just paint a picture of what you just said
00:58:36.100i you said women have so much to offer yes and i asked you uh not in a dismissive way but i asked
00:58:44.320you in a asking for clarification way i guess i asked you what and your first answer is my
00:58:50.640occupation absolutely is that you're a mechanic absolutely why would a guy why the fuck so okay
00:58:56.160is what are you dating are you dating men who have like 10 cars that are old and they're all
00:59:00.940constantly breaking down no i'm singing like bringing value to society we're talking wait
00:59:07.000how about bringing it to a relationship like a marriage for your husband wasn't that the context
00:59:11.480i'm saying bringing value in general to the world but wait no no no hold on no because because
00:59:17.080women's looks to the world that's that's all the value we bring okay i see so you're saying we're
00:59:20.940bearing children we're looking hot you know it's like i'm saying no we have so much more to bring
00:59:25.600not i mean obviously to relationships do we have that's different okay i thought it was within the
00:59:29.740context of relationships and i was like no i'm just saying in general like we have so much more
00:59:34.440to bring than just our tits and like our asses and like it's i don't know i just feel like a lot
00:59:39.360of women are just your statement about the looks thing that was within while women can bring their
00:59:46.900looks and that can be a value if you're a model or something i guess you were talking about
00:59:53.180relationships um i see it in a way i don't agree with that is unfortunately accurate and true to
00:59:59.340society where they are paying for only fans i mean it's an obvious statistic that there are over four
01:00:06.300million girls doing only fans and there aren't anywhere near four million men doing only fans
01:00:12.600because women wouldn't pay for that they pay for smutty romance novels to secretly replace their
01:00:17.820husbands instead so they go on to look for body parts and things like that and that is why i think
01:00:26.700it's important in a relationship to like avoid the toxic side of that because it's like hey
01:00:30.780if i pick the person that i think is the best in every way why am i going to go google boobs when
01:00:36.800i have my favorite ones right here and that's where like the value lies but i think there's
01:00:41.420unfortunately a monetary value and i know women know that with um pink tax and when feminism
01:00:48.360happened even though women were given the right to and i'm not saying all women there are women
01:00:52.640in untraditional jobs which is great but most of them are choosing jobs in hair makeup fashion
01:01:01.080things that have to do with the way they look that's true so it feels like women feel that way
01:01:06.320on a mass level but don't really want to admit it because they want to find another reason to label
01:01:11.060something misogynistic i think it's firm uh okay i've actually said a few times after going to
01:01:19.240beauty school that it kind of saved me i was in a really low place before that but everything that
01:01:25.700i learned um in beauty school just really helped me like have more of an identity too
01:01:32.720yeah the whole i need to find myself i don't have an identity i don't get that maybe you can
01:01:40.280explain that because women say that all the time. And I've, that's a problem I've never had. I've
01:01:44.400always known who I am. I've always known what my identity is. I don't know how you get. How old
01:01:48.960were you when you got married? The first time I was 22, 23. Okay. I feel like, you know, I got
01:01:58.780married young. I hadn't developed a career of my own. I didn't do that. I had my first baby at 20.
01:02:04.760I followed my ex-husband everywhere the Marine Corps sent him. So at that point in time, if I
01:02:09.120had met you I would have said my husband does this my son is this age I didn't really have something
01:02:14.480aside from I'm a mom yeah but before that like growing up I was known as the smart girl who
01:02:22.320was really good at art and music I played like seven instruments I painted I drew I had stuff
01:02:27.680that was in art galleries um I got ridiculously good grades without trying very hard so that was
01:02:33.340like my identity then I became a mom and I was like this is amazing I want to do this as much
01:02:38.320as possible and so now I'm all those things and I'm a mom and then I got married and so now I'm
01:02:44.000all those things plus I'm a mom and I'm a wife and I'm a Christian which is my primary identity
01:02:49.640over everything else that will never leave me my whole life so I don't I think when women say I
01:02:54.820didn't know who I was or I lost my identity when I had a kid or things like that what they're really
01:02:59.860saying is like I need to find something to do I have too much time on my hands and I'm bored
01:03:05.320to be honest I think I mean we psychologize everything and turn it everything into this like
01:03:11.540massive problem or crisis when it's not it's like you have food you have a roof over your head
01:03:19.000you're not starving you're not in pain you're you don't have cancer you're not dying you're fine
01:03:24.140you're like if you don't know your identity like get a hobby I just I think I just I don't get
01:03:31.120that it drives me nuts what's wrong with being a mom being in such a large part of an identity
01:03:37.060I don't think there's anything wrong with it like hey I take care of someone but that's it
01:03:41.920like I just don't understand I just made this whole person and molded them from absolutely
01:03:46.580nothing who am I I feel like right now as a 44 year old like I love the I'm a mom identity like
01:03:55.780i really i feel like i've grown into that you heard a lot of messaging telling you that being
01:04:00.760just a mom was like for lazy people or losers like you know you don't even have a career wow
01:04:06.700like well like what do you do all day there was definitely the aspect of like he was the one who
01:04:13.840was working and like i had been working before our son was born and you know child care is so
01:04:20.420ridiculously expensive that often if a mom works the majority of the money goes to child care
01:04:26.220anyhow so well why do you think you needed a job like what I mean that was like 20 years ago
01:04:33.580like yeah what do you think it was when you were in your 20s and you felt like I'm nobody because
01:04:38.740I don't have a job I think had I been in a relationship that I felt I was happy in I mean
01:04:46.180yeah but relationships aren't for making you happy this is another
01:04:50.260no it's like but you were looking to him for no no that's not what i'm saying i'm saying
01:04:57.940if if you are in a relationship where you both are feeling fulfilled and you know supported and
01:05:06.220like you're happy then so you have a different mindset i guess yeah yeah i guess i'm wondering
01:05:13.580So like, because it sounds like you had the mindset that all of the pop culture tells women to have, you know, where you're constantly look, you're almost looking for the unhappiness.
01:05:23.560There's two major studies that have been done.
01:05:36.280And the first one they did mostly in the West.
01:05:38.440The second one they did other cultures to see if they could duplicate the results.
01:05:42.120The first one was called The Paradox of Female Happiness.
01:05:45.660The second one, almost the same name, The Paradox of Women's Declining Happiness.
01:05:50.440And it's funny because in the intro where the authors break down their findings, they said,
01:05:55.880we have found overwhelmingly that everywhere and every time across time, regardless of race, culture, or financial situation, that women are unhappy.
01:06:07.760Women are just more affected by negative emotion.
01:06:10.780they are just more they're more up and they're more down we just do this a lot and I think the
01:06:16.380worst advice we give young women is you should be happy if you're not happy there's something wrong
01:06:23.100if you're not happy you need a life change you either need to switch a career or get a divorce
01:06:27.940or find a new man it's like you're gonna be unhappy and the only way you solve that is
01:06:33.740finding it like you know within you through God understanding you know that simply the fact that
01:06:39.920your life is a miracle and that's enough and that every single day you get to decide what you're
01:06:45.440going to do with your life that day and who you're going to be that day and even when you're going
01:06:49.840through it and things are not good you still have that power to to make those decisions every day
01:06:55.120but what the pop culture tells us is if you're unhappy it's probably a man first of all like
01:07:03.120Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor Swift would tell you they are useless um or that or that you need
01:07:10.560you know a job you have to have a career you need to be fulfilled and like all those words are
01:07:16.080buzzwords that don't really mean anything at the end of the day and I think it sounds to me like
01:07:20.540you got really hit with all that propaganda from our generation I did too I did too I think we all
01:07:25.560There's probably a little bit of that, too, but, like, you know, there would be times where, like, he would, like, continue to go at me and go at me until, like, he got me to cry, and then, like, the next day, he would always come back and be like, oh, I told myself I need to stop, but, like, there was just something in him that he wouldn't stop, like, getting upset with me until I was crying.
01:07:49.260hmm uh well let's continue on with uh people's relationship status what about
01:07:55.260what about a really quick actually here we gotta um no no hold on hide that uh
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01:08:27.140relationship status please i am in a relationship almost two years now but the longest one i've had
01:08:34.420was three years all right what about you um i'm married to jesus amen okay so you're going to
01:08:42.860become a nun? No, I'm just, I'm celibate. I'm, you know, fully focused on myself, my son.
01:08:49.740Okay. So you're single. Yes. Longest relationship? Um, I think it was 10 or 11 years. My son's
01:08:56.620father. Were you married? No. Ever married? Nope. How long you've been single for? Um,
01:09:03.140a while, a few years. Uh, okay. And then also I, in your introduction, you, uh,
01:09:10.880there was something you wanted to share about you i did that you wrote why don't you share that
01:09:19.560what did i write that oh um on ig is that what you're talking about yes oh you you want me to
01:09:27.740share that yes please share it oh okay i'm a pardon j6 sir
01:09:31.140cool so you stormed the capital yeah allegedly allegedly allegedly you may or may not
01:09:40.760okay cool pardons though fist bump trump do you have do you have like a pardon from trump i do
01:09:47.940i do you should is it like a piece of paper or how did so they actually they sent digital because
01:09:53.960there were so many of us that got a part in the same day okay they sent digital copies nice yeah
01:09:59.240so an official u.s pardon attorney sent me the compelled you to go riot at the capitol a lot
01:10:06.700that was not a peaceful protest there you will never see i've never in my lifetime i've never
01:10:13.020seen weapons there were they were there were the guns you didn't see the video of the cop like
01:10:17.740getting shoved a riot is what happens when black lives matter shows up and burns down the whole
01:10:22.040town this was a bunch of people meandering through the capital you know that there was the fbi the
01:10:28.100only person who got killed was one of the protesters they were chanting what kill nancy
01:10:34.020poloski is that what they were saying and didn't her husband's house get broke something like that
01:10:37.760happened i remember that happened you wanted those likes that brian yeah you wanted those
01:10:42.860well um do you think you said you've never seen anything like that before
01:10:47.860did you participate have you participated in like no kings or any protest i haven't been to
01:10:53.800any protest ever you've never been i've never been to protest i just no offense you look like
01:10:58.640i look i can see that i can see that i mean i don't i feel like going to a protest like
01:11:04.680yes you can show like this is what i stand for this is what i support whatever but in reality
01:11:09.160like being there like what what is that going to do like that literally doesn't do it yeah you're
01:11:13.540just standing you're just standing there in the street with signs and i mean so no blm protest
01:11:18.520no i stuff you were shaking your head what about you i've been to many protests and led protests
01:11:25.440as well you've led uh how many hold on how many protests what is your goal uh when's okay how
01:11:32.200recently have you participated in the protest when was the probably the no kings protest well
01:11:39.600there's one just this weekend but okay then it was like a month ago it was like a it was like
01:11:44.680last year okay you've said that you've participated you said that you've participated
01:11:52.180in many protests going back to when ever since i was a kid like like your parents
01:12:01.800forced you into that no no i was i've always been more active like i've always been more of an
01:12:09.560activist than pretty much anyone in my family for what your family for what cause i have the same
01:12:14.800question for the january 6th though what is the goal hold on hold on hold on we're exploring her
01:12:20.360her thing now so um okay you what was the first protest you ever went to and that how young the
01:12:27.800first protest i ever went to i believe was a women's march okay so was this like donald trump
01:12:34.500no it was before that me too the women's march i yeah me too me too yeah me too we're women's
01:12:43.140country yeah uh hold on that's secondary so right back to this um okay but did you participate in
01:12:50.500blm protests yes ice protests yes um i'm trying to think uh march for our lives okay so like all
01:12:59.060the george floyd stuff yes and you said not only did you participate but you also organized or led
01:13:05.740yeah through high school what so when you say led what protests were you leading um there was
01:13:13.680a protest um after there was a um am i allowed to say the word um after you
01:13:23.100shoot okay after a shooting no no no not after not no um but there was um the parkland parkland
01:13:33.260school so shooting yeah after the shooting um i led a protest against what like i led it for
01:13:43.840gun laws so okay yeah stricter gun laws such as such as yeah well what what what gun laws did you
01:13:55.100want yeah what did you want to just it to be a stricter system i don't necessarily believe that
01:14:01.360that people don't have the right to bear arms i just here's a question should we um
01:14:08.000should we ban uh semi-automatic rifles yes okay what is a semi-automatic rifle
01:14:15.920we're sorry i shouldn't say should we buy excuse me i misspoke should we ban semi-automatic
01:14:21.920firearms i think that any weapon that can fire like 20 bullets within like but
01:15:57.500Even people who are pro-Second Amendment, who are conceivably, hey, who probably want looser gun restrictions, are also against bad things that can happen.
01:34:23.560As she was saying men are trash, men suck, she hates all men, and that she'd be fine with all men disappearing, which is genocide, I guess.
01:34:38.080So how can you possibly tell me that you have any principles as it relates to Donald Trump's statements, and here you have a full-blown admitted misandrist, genocidal maniac, essentially?
01:34:53.460Okay, I want her to correct me if I'm wrong, but for her job, these men are consenting to be treated like this, and it's part of her persona online to be aggressive towards men.
01:35:05.440So the difference is consent in these situations.
01:35:07.540Oh, wait. Wait a minute. Because Donald Trump was saying they let you grab them by the pussy. They let you. He wasn't saying you do it against their will and you grape them. He said, hey, look, when you're rich and famous, these women will just let you do it. They consent.
01:35:24.300How do you know the women aren't scared? How do you know the men she's talking to are mentally ill? How do you know they're not mentally ill? That's a completely different argument.
01:35:32.240wait Rachel that's a fantastic point by the way
01:47:50.000How we were saying that it's just the way that women are, like, it's accepted for them to be talked about and treated in society is not fair.
01:47:56.120i don't think it was about like rights as much as it was the conversation and the verbiage and
01:48:00.360stuff that's being used by these politicians people around women but a lot of people use
01:48:04.800that same verbiage about men so sabrina carpenter at her concert with thousands and thousands of
01:48:10.120people telling the the crowd to cheer along with her and call men useless stupid you know that
01:48:17.480whole thing that's okay i think that is so different than like being okay with like i feel
01:48:23.360Like, women are, let me think of my words, like, when men are talking about, like, sexually assaulting women or, like, objectifying their bodies and stuff like that, I don't think that's a fair way to talk.
01:48:33.400But if they wanted to go and say, like, women suck, I hate women, that's one thing.
01:48:36.960But when it becomes something that could turn into a physical component, I think that's where, like, the line is going.
01:48:41.540Why is the premise, though, that this is within the context of non-consent?
01:48:46.300Because that's what I thought, that at least I don't know much about any of the protests, but at least back in 2016 when there was that women's march.
01:48:52.920i thought that was because of trump saying really quick i have something on me on this um nathan
01:48:58.560can you pull up my my personal instagram brian atlas and then there's a post that i did i think
01:49:04.060it's like either the most recent or the one below it it's a woman wearing a t-shirt lily reinhardt
01:49:10.380she has 24 million followers on instagram she's like a b-tier c-tier actress um do you have it
01:49:18.200nathan my ex my personal ex uh it should be if you just scroll down it should be like the most
01:49:26.660recent or second most recent post um i just want to get your guys's perspective on that so click
01:49:32.240click on the photo actually uh so she has a shirt that says i support a man's right to shut the
01:49:38.660fuck up and then i wrote if a male actor wore a shirt like this about women he'd be dropped by his
01:49:43.480agency talent agency and banished from hollywood not to mention backlash from the public journalists
01:49:50.360media etc she's got 24 million followers on instagram she's not a nobody yeah um so what
01:49:56.940do you think of her t-shirt first of all is that wrong i i don't think it's wrong i do agree that's
01:50:02.060like if a man wore that you sorry you don't i don't i think everyone is entitled to their own
01:50:06.060opinion she can think whatever she wants but when girls do it it's cute but when boys do it it's
01:50:10.160great see that is what other people if a man wore that shirt i'd be like damn that's kind of crazy
01:50:14.540but like society would probably be a lot more upset about that but me personally i'm not going
01:50:19.380to see a man wearing that shirt and throw an outrage about it so what is it that men are doing
01:50:23.600to women that you think requires marching i've never i've never marched but okay what are you
01:50:29.360what do you think men are doing to us that requires us marching in the streets i feel
01:50:33.800like there's too many things to even name i mean one okay list okay there's okay comments about
01:50:43.320women 24 7 but women make comments about men 24 7 okay i would say then here s a well let's list
01:50:53.100it so okay mean so like misogynistic comments yes okay so they're s a yes okay what else
01:51:01.840just feel like not just sexist comments but sexual comments like very derogatory
01:51:14.880okay just like overly derogatory women do that too like a woman's very capable of essaying a man
01:51:23.540the same way a man can do that to a woman i also best believe i've dealt with essay by
01:51:29.000looking man walk by. Wait, wait, wait. Let her finish. Let her finish. Go ahead. But you think
01:51:32.740women don't cackle either? I hang out with my girlfriends and I see a good looking guy. I'm
01:51:37.080like, look at, you know what I mean? Yeah. So girls do it too. Maybe men are more open and more
01:51:44.600doggis if, if you want to say that. And I can't agree to that, but everything you're stating
01:51:50.240goes both ways. It sounds like policing speech is what I hear. I do agree that it goes both ways.
01:51:57.120i think there's just major differences i think that men do it a lot more and or is it just not
01:52:04.080as reported no men i but even in experiences men don't speak up often they don't speak up
01:52:10.820men are not going to go and report it if a woman if a woman gives a man like a shoulder rub he
01:52:16.120didn't ask for he's not going to go to hr and report i don't i don't believe in that either
01:52:20.060i do not think that i do not think that a man should be touched in a way that he does not want
01:52:25.620to be touched i do i do not think that consent goes both ways i completely agree with that
01:52:33.380have you guys ever seen the there's like a video compilation that's always circulating online
01:52:38.740of justin bieber when he was young like before he turned 18 all the different actresses and people
01:52:44.680touching him making sexual comments about him yeah like it happens quite a bit to men too and
01:52:50.660we just give women a pass on it well and it depends actually really interesting about that
01:52:54.740rachel is that while they're you know and many of these clips have kind of resurfaced more recently
01:53:00.780in the moment there was absolute pretty much no backlash but um if you reverse the genders if you
01:53:07.140do a gender swap i mean these people if it was a man doing that to a young a girl oh my gosh
01:53:13.480the career over but there's really not when you gender swap these situations there's not the
01:53:20.760outrage there's not the losing the job there's not the getting dropped dropped from talent agency
01:53:26.820thing it's like acceptable to be anti-male or say uh negative things about men etc etc so
01:53:34.220well and you were saying no you can talk um so in your hr example with somebody in the shoulder rub
01:53:39.980depends on if she thinks he's attractive or not if if if a woman if a woman that is creeped out
01:53:46.600by a guy because he's gross or a loser
02:09:38.880it doesn't really exist there's also a vast difference between them no it's there are do
02:09:44.400you agree that there are objective facts yes okay it's an objective fact that you have every right
02:09:51.700in this country legally that a man does and probably more and it's an objective fact that
02:09:56.780you're not at least i know of any victim of some kind of overarching oppression by the patriarchy
02:10:03.720correct? Or are you? And if you are, I want to know specifically what that is. I just think
02:10:10.080some men somewhere say mean things about some women sometimes. It's more societal than it is
02:10:15.020political, I would say. I would say as a society, women are treated differently. See, I think as a
02:10:20.500society, women are very privileged over men. I think we're privileged, but I don't think we're
02:10:24.560privileged over men. I feel like a woman should feel safe walking home at night alone. And I
02:10:30.560don't feel like that's always the case like if you're in a city or something and a woman's trying
02:10:34.580to walk alone at night i guarantee you she either has pepper spray or something like that a man
02:10:39.100walking alone at night in the city always feels safe probably not but i think exactly a man's
02:10:44.580probably worried about being beat up a woman's worried about being raped tortured kidnapped
02:10:48.940and that's saying that can't happen to a man but i am saying it's more likely to happen to a woman
02:10:52.980did you also know that if you factor in prison rape men are actually a higher share of rape
02:10:57.960victims and women are such a different that's not like they're not in i'm just saying there's a
02:11:01.800reason that the world is not fair and bad things happen what i'm looking for is actual evidence
02:11:06.900that women are somehow uniquely oppressed as a group by men i feel like the only reason i have
02:11:12.260and if you start your statement with i feel like that's by definition not going to be factual that's
02:11:17.800going to be just opinion the only reason i have my opinion about the way women are being treated is
02:11:21.800because how i've been treated and how i've seen my friends be treated i'm i don't know but that's
02:11:26.060anecdote that's not proof that society has a problem okay but the thing is if all of these
02:11:33.480women are coming together to say hey i've personally dealt with these issues with men
02:11:39.100i've felt i've i've gotten s-aid by men i've had this happen i've been uncomfortable like all of
02:11:45.440these things if there's tons of women coming together then that kind of there's a message
02:11:51.360there oh okay well if that's the case then what if a bunch of trump supporters come together on
02:11:58.020january 6 and say we really feel like this election wasn't fair i mean it has to be proof
02:12:03.780that it's true because a whole bunch of people came together black people stormed the capitol
02:12:08.580they would have all been killed yeah they would have all been killed is that why nobody that is
02:12:13.720once again that is once again you making a totally insane completely baseless assertion that you
02:12:20.060pulled out of thin air please listen i'm gonna try to be nice but i need you to focus and not
02:12:25.840just say like wildly crazy totally baseless shit i need you to try to live in reality and like
02:12:31.240come come back to something that's true for any of the people on jit i don't i don't know much
02:12:35.460black people were allowed to riot in the streets and burn down entire cities for a whole summer
02:12:40.380and nobody went around that was a mowing them down that was a government building that they
02:12:44.320broke into and i like i said i don't pay that much they have surrounded federal bill yeah you
02:12:49.040don't because you would know they've surrounded federal buildings they have they have surrounded
02:12:54.640federal buildings they have infiltrated federal buildings they have where where portland seattle
02:13:01.020my husband covers these all the time on his channel where did they of leftist protesters
02:13:04.820breaking into buildings like the ice protest yes right now they're right now are they in the
02:13:11.920buildings in portland they broke in the cops had to actually like shelter and leave because they
02:13:16.820broke into the building yes i just what do you mean you don't know do you think i made that up
02:13:22.700do i not seem like pretty well informed on my facts you do but you could also just be really
02:13:26.340confident in what you're saying so i haven't seen any personal evidence but i'm trying to look it
02:13:31.100up if you'd like but there's been several they set up an autonomous zone in two different cities
02:13:36.680and took over multiple city blocks and nobody killed them nothing happened to them and you
02:13:42.180probably think that's fine so again please let's get back to this show me any evidence of widespread
02:13:48.480oppression of women by men other than I just feel like women just feel unsafe okay you feeling
02:13:54.800unsafe isn't proof of anything I'm going you might feel unsafe and be perfectly safe I look at I can't
02:14:02.360do anything about your emotional I look at what I've gone through and what my friends have gone
02:14:05.900through and stuff that men have done to them and I just think of like that can't and it happens
02:14:10.960everyone that's why like those protests those people that are out at those protests most likely
02:14:14.400have had something happen to them and i feel like that gathering of people show something but that's
02:14:18.060anecdotal and there's how many men do you think out there could talk about their experiences with
02:14:23.400women getting baby trapped by women getting their kids taken and stolen from them in family court
02:14:28.440when they didn't do anything wrong a woman cheating on them and leaving and taking the kids
02:14:32.100a woman draining the bank account and taking off and leaving women actually assaulting them and
02:14:38.240being domestic abusers and they can't even get police or anybody to really take them seriously
02:14:42.600why aren't they just stopping them and because what i'll tell you why what do you think happens
02:14:48.660if a what do you think the risk is for a man if there's a woman that he lives with and she's
02:14:55.280getting drunk and throwing things at him and coming at him with sharp objects and things
02:14:59.620day after day and he finally in order to protect himself i know a guy that this happened to a woman
02:15:06.100drunk woman coming at him with a chunk of glass and finally he threw her off of him she went to
02:15:11.840the police and said he he threw me against the wall i have a bruise he beat me up the guy went
02:15:17.060to jail i would just love to see a statistic that says women are more prone didn't you say that 70
02:15:21.960percent of the cases are domesticated i would love to see that my father was stabbed by a woman and
02:15:26.160almost died well we can have brian pull it up again i mean if you listen i do this for a living
02:15:31.400i don't say these things unless i know exactly where to pull the data from i posted it to my
02:15:36.320ex so if brian wants to pull up my ex um and fbi statistics uh these are very easy things to look
02:15:43.900up but yes it's yeah this is that's the way this is the way the world is as like crappy as as
02:15:53.060shitty as that sounds the world is the way that it is i don't think that you have every right to
02:15:58.340do what you want but i don't think protesting is going to change anything i don't think that
02:16:02.020changing uh here we have the data oh word just uh
02:16:06.880read this 2001 that was over 20 years ago okay so was trump's statement x no the stuff i posted
02:16:16.920to x was much more recent i think it's actually gotten worse since this but i can't see it good
02:16:23.100enough to read it. Um, okay. If you go to my, I don't know if you can dig it up in my X though.
02:16:32.180Um, but yes, it, I don't know why you're so, uh, doubtful of my statistics, but I just,
02:16:38.120I just find that very hard to believe. Why? Here's the reason you want to know why. And again,
02:16:42.920you're doing a woman thing. You're going, this is my experience. This is reality. This is my
02:16:47.720experience. And I'm telling you, there's a whole world out there that is not your experience. Um,
02:16:52.320i've had things happen to me that most people never have happened to them i don't assume that's
02:16:56.400everyone's universal experience that's not very smart i feel like i've heard more often than not
02:17:01.360in my personal life these what does that have to do with anything i think you understand that your
02:17:06.560personal let me just say this again your personal experience does not have any bearing on the
02:17:12.880population at large and what the statistics are you understand that right okay then let's not
02:17:18.000talk about that okay okay and then like in your personal experience you should in the moment am i
02:17:24.940feeling this because society tells me i should or is this something that like i've had experience
02:17:30.560with this like i remember growing up probably you've seen you know you're a woman on the elevator
02:17:36.140and a black man gets on and you hold your purse more tightly like for a while i was an uber driver
02:17:41.080And, you know, I picked up some Muslim people at a mosque and I, I'm like, if I was going by what the world says, I should feel like, oh my gosh, they're going to do something horrible to me because I'm a woman.
02:17:55.080I'm not saying even that women shouldn't be cautious.
02:17:57.620I'm not saying that there aren't men that do bad things.
02:28:45.440Well, I wouldn't want to compress with the bear, because that would be my life at stake there, and yeah, so I definitely would rather have a man.
02:49:47.94010 and thrust seven on you okay that's crazy hashtag your girlfriend's wild that is insane
02:49:55.520um definitely not that's probably a dude who sent that um uh cowboy larry imagine you flip
02:50:04.400this around in this day and time men would rather encounter the bear than women only because of the
02:50:08.520possibility of false accusations and being a creep that's totally fine thank you cowboy larry
02:50:14.700Thank you for your soup chat. Mr. Northumberland, racism is treating or viewing an individual or
02:50:19.580group of individuals negatively solely based on their race or sex for sexism, regardless of
02:50:25.380context or circumstance. Power and privilege are relevant. It's like saying only people in power
02:50:29.880can hate. That makes no sense. Because you were saying that when women do sexism, it's not as bad
02:50:36.440as when men do sexism. It's not as severe because of historical power imbalances and blah, blah,
02:50:42.600blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes. So can I ask you a question? Yeah. Where,
02:50:47.300how does the intersection of like socioeconomic or socioeconomics or class factor into this? So
02:50:53.840like, could a really wealthy women who like sees a homeless man be like, say some like really sexist
02:50:59.340shit to him. And that's more severe than, uh, like a broke guy calling Taylor Swift a slut.
02:51:06.980because you would you say it's sexist to just like call women sluts just because yes but what
02:51:15.300if it's a broke guy calling taylor swift a slut so okay power dynamics come into play there using
02:51:21.080your like backwards definition of it but i think i think it's i mean no that's yeah that's like a
02:51:31.920good point with like the power dynamic thing yeah fin dom has some power dynamics going on yeah
02:51:39.040that's a good point yeah you that's like your whole basis of uh here we have another tts coming
02:51:46.020in from this justin thank you man based justin donated 200 i for one would love to watch each
02:51:53.520and every one of these twits spawn next to an ursity what is that yes please let the healing
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02:53:15.040okay let the grifting cease i guess uh all right so where were we uh we were talking about the the
02:53:25.120the protests i think so wait no no no you brought it back to fin dom can i ask a question but yeah
02:53:36.560If you had to fight a bear and know that he was going to eat you and kill you or be sexually assaulted by a man, but you would live, would you still choose the bear?
03:30:45.820we're talking about looks here right we're just if we're just talking about looks so you can't
03:30:49.800meet the person you can't talk to them you're just looking at a picture of their face and body
03:30:53.520is gorlok the destroyer attend to she is a definitely attend i haven't seen gorlok i have
03:30:59.680to see them it's not gorlok it's mean well i don't know her name but it's al weasley or something
03:31:06.900so all women are tens yes are all men tens
03:31:12.360no right why so why are all women tens and why are not all men tens in my opinion
03:31:23.440i get that it's your opinion why is it your opinion i i honestly just believe that women
03:31:31.340are prettier than men see i kind of feel like i feel like when i'm out walking around in public
03:31:38.020like i'm just at the grocery store i see a lot especially as people get older when they're
03:31:42.620younger the the girls might be better looking but we're talking 40s 50s i see a lot of hot dads who
03:31:47.620obviously hit the gym and they look pretty dang good and their wife is like heavy and let herself
03:31:54.860go and i'm like dang and he's still like rubbing on her and everything and i'm like wow we're lucky
03:32:00.720men like us a lot you know it's how i feel but so yeah why why is it well how about this
03:32:07.900are some women more attractive than other women
03:32:12.560i feel like it depends on who's like to me like can i look at one woman and say i'm more attracted
03:32:23.980to this woman than the other woman or am i just one's better looking than the other looks more
03:32:30.400beautiful yeah yeah talking about looks but then that's based on my attraction but sure i mean i
03:32:37.400can be more attracted to well your attraction aside uh can't you make a determination as to
03:32:44.720their physical appearance absent attraction but that's but that's kind of like saying like i know
03:32:52.160that there was there was someone on the podcast that liked like bigger men like there was some
03:32:58.220there was some girl in the podcast chaser yeah she you know what i mean so it's like an outlier
03:33:03.760okay yeah it's kind of like it's kind of like all preference based because like she like she could
03:33:11.340look at someone who like everyone in here basically could say is more attractive like
03:33:16.600she could say they're less attractive everyone else could say they're more attractive than the
03:33:22.560other person but she still thinks that the other person who's chubbier is more attractive yeah but
03:33:28.760let's, let's map that onto like a million people. So are you going to start seeing patterns in terms
03:33:35.820of assessment? If you say you have a million people, you have a million men and a million
03:33:41.060women, and you show all those million people, uh, pictures of 10 men and 10 women and say,
03:33:47.480there are varying attractiveness. Don't you think you would come to like, there's going to be some
03:33:54.020degree of consensus like yeah maybe the maybe you know this one person gets rates them very high
03:34:01.920in attractiveness whereas others don't but like um who's a woman who you think is very beautiful
03:34:09.160there's so many uh olivia rodrigo billy eilish those are just like people in the
03:34:19.600yeah so yeah sorry do you think that uh do you think that a lot of people would tend to agree
03:34:30.020with that yes okay so i would agree with that i would agree with that yeah uh okay um i don't
03:34:42.140understand why looks are so prevalent like why as a society do we care about what people look
03:34:47.400like surrounding us like that's the basis of attraction i know but i don't that's not my
03:34:51.920basis of attraction i don't care what someone looks like like if i really i really don't i'm
03:34:57.120friends with sam like i don't look oriented i won't i wouldn't date anyone this doesn't matter
03:35:02.920but i just i look at people are you like asexual like you don't have no no no i'll go out so you
03:35:08.260have attraction i have attraction absolutely there's absolutely attraction i don't think it
03:35:12.020If you have a choice between a five foot four bald guy with terrible acne and a six foot two, like, athletic looking Chad, like, which one are you going to say is better looking?
03:35:25.780Well, they're better looking, but why does it, like, matter?
03:56:51.300Like, if it's nanorobots covering your face, and it's changing the jaw, and it's changing the shape.
03:56:57.840But it's like, well, that's kind of what makeup does to a degree.
03:57:01.000now depends what the makeup is a little eyeliner well that's not huge but some of the contouring
03:57:07.760stuff that women do some of the plastic surgery that yeah that does change it and it's like
03:57:13.120i wonder if through that lens women would have a greater objection
03:57:17.860to uh they would perhaps see male's perspective on the deception that makeup can have
03:57:25.060and if women would have a different tune on it if men were wearing some nano robot mask
03:57:35.700that looked completely basically real and you you were more attracted to this person
03:57:43.140because they were wearing it i'm gonna have to have chat gpt like generate an image so
03:57:49.680So you can really see what I'm talking about, but it's, I don't know, I think a lot of women would feel deceived if there was some nanorobot mask that looked super, anyways, whatever.
03:58:03.200We have some chats here. We have Desert Jorge.
03:58:07.040I wasn't a misogynist before tonight's show.
03:58:09.640After listening to Chair 2 and Chair 3 spew their retortedness all night long, I'm now reconsidering embracing misogyny.
04:02:43.880I mean, like, isn't it okay for someone to see themselves as a 10 and also understand that they're not going to get somebody like Zac Efron?
04:02:51.460Well, not get someone, because, I mean, we're bringing in other factors in terms of attractiveness.
04:02:58.980There's status, there's money, there's success, there's career there.
04:03:02.880But just on the looks front, I would still question, say, for example, an average woman who thinks she could land a guy who's an 8, 9, or 10.
04:03:16.480Somebody who thinks, that's what I'm saying, is like if you're delusional in yourself but also don't understand the world, that is a problem.
04:03:24.020If you are so delusional to believe that looks actually don't matter, that is a problem because this is society.
04:03:29.800And like I said, we as humans, we do start with the looks, but if you see yourself as
04:03:34.900a 10 and understand that you as a 10 are not in the leagues of societal tens, I feel like
04:30:15.580Yeah, okay, I guess I'm retardedly nuclear, retardedly there.
04:30:19.820But in any case, there's the deception component.
04:30:23.980Like you are either through omission or through hiding this, you are kind of like, for example,
04:30:31.620I think it's really common when you're just getting to know somebody like a common thread
04:30:35.160of conversation is oh so what do you do for work and if the woman chose in that moment to not
04:30:39.960disclose like hey my primary source of like let's say hmm would you object to this her only job is
04:30:48.040doing only fans but she lies about I think that's why I don't think anyone should ever lie I hate
04:30:54.340liars and hypocrites and if she's lying about it lie through omission you can lie through omission
04:30:58.780If she was like, oh, you know, I'm kind of in between jobs or just, like, not saying what she does directly, I do think that is like, like, she directly asks what I'm for.
04:31:05.360What if she said she's a content creator?
04:31:10.500It's just not saying what kind of content creator she is.
04:31:12.920If I was on a date with someone and then they told me they were a content creator, I would immediately look them up on all the platforms and figure out what they're doing.
04:31:20.180So I would figure out, get to the bottom of what they're doing and then make a decision from there.
04:31:23.940Look, I think you should disclose if you're a sex worker.
04:32:25.460that's fair yeah i worded the i worded my answer that i'm so sorry but also i'm worded it wrong
04:32:31.640you shouldn't shouldn't it shouldn't inherently make a girl unattractive or unappealing yeah in
04:32:38.940my personal belief but that's not you got to stand on i don't i guess it's okay i well i don't really
04:32:44.760stand on anything i want everyone to speak happy i'm gonna call you flip-flop you i just want
04:32:50.920everyone to be happy in the valley i just want everyone to sing kumaya and hold hands sometimes
04:32:56.260i think it might be nice to live in delulu land with a lot of the other women you guys all just
04:33:02.580are ignoring our that the absolute files and all just living in delulu land that trump's not in
04:33:07.140there i mean that's the same shit the same thing ice is taking families apart that are even legal
04:33:13.880you haven't said anything yet that you had any clue what you were talking about so we're just
04:33:19.000going to all recognize that you also have no clue what you're talking about on this one either that
04:33:22.860is true okay so if somebody gets caught in disneyland and didn't buy a ticket do you think
04:33:26.900they should get kicked out yeah but what about the people what's the difference between that and
04:33:31.420ice kicking somebody else because some of them have papers and documents and they're being kicked
04:33:36.160out anyway who the immigrants not one single person was an american citizen we kicked out a
04:33:42.120veteran did you guys see that we had a veteran who served for the united states of america high
04:33:46.000profile guy that turned out to actually be illegal i don't think he was wait can we test
04:33:50.800this really quick so okay i actually i so i agree with you as follows yes if ice is making mistakes
04:34:00.080and if it is the case that they are deporting uh people who have a genuine right to be like
04:34:06.160actual citizens then that's wrong in the same way that sometimes police officers do make mistakes
04:34:11.520Of course, like, yes, sometimes sometimes there are genuine cases of of police misconduct, brutality, killings, and oftentimes those are genuinely prosecuted.
04:34:22.640And then sometimes not, too. Right. If I can agree to that, are you willing to say that I'll stand by you and say either unjustified actions by ICE or unjustified deportations, which my understanding it's compared to the millions of deportations that are happening.
04:34:39.500we're talking about a handful we're talking about a few even if it is happening it's wrong
04:34:45.040are you okay with the millions and millions of genuinely viable true deportations that are
04:34:51.900occurring are you totally fine with those i'm not totally fine with all of them okay so your
04:34:55.580objection is not about here's the thing america was we were built upon immigrants we were all
04:35:00.160immigrants we came talking points no because i know we all no we're all she's just heard
04:35:05.300No, but what are the immigrants doing that's affecting us?
04:35:09.140Have any of you ever been personally victimized by an immigrant?
04:35:11.960A lot of people have been victimized by immigrants.
05:06:06.440Yeah, so, well, here's something to meditate on.
05:06:11.580before the appearance of white people in the americas these tribes these native american
05:06:19.060tribes were warring with each other for uh centuries centuries before before the appearance
05:06:27.220of the spanish before the appearance of the british before before the appearance of you know
05:06:32.080any white culture right they've been they were warring with each other they were fighting each
05:06:36.240other. They were enslaving each other. You can see this in North America. You can see in Central
05:06:41.800America. You can see it in South America. You had the Incas. You had the Aztecs. You had the Mayans.
05:06:48.340You had various Native American tribes in what is now the United States. They were fighting each
05:06:53.660other. They were conquering each other. And they did it for conquest. They wanted their game.
05:06:58.980They wanted their land. They wanted the resources. So the question is, if this land, this stolen land, passed through the hands of two, three, four, five, six, seven different tribes and one conquered the next and one conquered the other, to which tribe would we return the stolen land to?
05:07:20.380to the final native american tribe that had the land that stole it 10 years prior from
05:07:27.340this uh tribe that had been conquered by you know the apache do we who do we return it to
05:07:33.920i think it's far too late for any of that like i feel i feel like it's far
05:07:39.300like yeah like it's far too late like so much has been done it's far too late for any of that i
05:07:45.860don't think that that's not i wasn't saying that that should happen i just do your parents own land
05:07:51.620yes like do they own the house yeah it's not like a apartment it's like a house yeah and they're
05:07:58.140from california too yes like they own land in california um in a couple places okay oh they
05:08:06.880own more than one property yeah that's very privileged um in other states yeah uh okay
05:08:14.280how many different properties do they own two okay so one in california one another state
05:08:20.340if a native american tribe approached your family and said hey your house is built
05:08:26.580on our ancestral territory would you be willing to hand the deed over
05:08:32.440it's far too long i mean it's not my house well okay your parents own it yeah
05:08:44.280But say either one day you own a house, but, I mean, are you an only child?
05:32:09.280What is the content of what I'm saying that is sexist?
05:32:14.100Because you'd agree with me simply by virtue of saying being rude to some.
05:32:18.060Like you can be rude to a man as you could to a woman in the tone.
05:32:21.980that wouldn't be evidence of a sexism uh just because you're rude to a woman doesn't mean
05:32:26.900you're sexist women are rude to women all the time it doesn't mean they're sexist
05:32:30.900can i ask you a question really quickly yeah so you're upset and you think that he's sexist
05:32:37.700because of how he's spoken to women right i'm not upset well she thinks i'm sexist okay but you
05:32:43.480don't you don't necessarily like you know that quality in him that he speaks to women you think
05:32:49.020in a certain tone or aspect or whatever right you think it's sexist from your own words i'm
05:32:54.980repeating your own yes yeah but then you literally do that for a living like that is what you do to
05:33:03.120make money so like do you know that you're a hypocrite or like they want why is it okay for
05:33:10.280you but like the women but the women that he talks to on the podcast willingly come here they do
05:33:16.740willingly come on the podcast many of them know the nature of the adverse they know the adversarial
05:33:22.280nature of the podcast yeah i i know that a lot of the people that come on the podcast probably do
05:33:28.540prior research but there's some that i've watched and i'm like i don't think she knew because they
05:33:35.160get that might be true but how would i mean uh even if it is true that she herself is i guess
05:33:42.760a hypocrite and she, I actually think in some ways what she does is for sure worse than what I do
05:33:48.380because like I, I typically avoid insults. Sometimes I do. And many times it's playful
05:33:55.440jabbing. It's, it's more teasing, but sometimes, yes, I've, I've said mean things. I'll, I'll even
05:34:00.520admit to it, but, um, you will do, you'll do small penis humiliation. It would never occur to me,
05:34:08.480by the way it would never occur to me as someone who's uh believes in genitalia positivity might
05:34:13.840be a matter movement i actually am count contrary to you i don't think people like we're doing the
05:34:19.520exact people yes people should not be i'm doing advocacy i'm an activist people should you're so
05:34:25.120great men and women should not be shamed for their genitalia if a woman has an outie she should not
05:34:29.440be shamed if she hasn't any i mean women with indies don't really get shamed for but that's you
05:34:34.160You know, it's kind of, you know, it's mostly the women with the, you know, the wizard sleeves, wizard sleeves, you know, that are getting shamed and I defend them.
05:34:46.120But I don't you do small penis humiliation.
05:34:48.920I'll go to I'll I'll go to bat for men with small peens.
05:37:11.840I just think that your views on women based on your dating preferences, not just because you have preferences with dating, but just your views on women, is that they should be traditional, that they should always be traditional.
05:37:29.820Now, Raven, before the show, we had you fill out a questionnaire.
05:54:56.340I think the way that people are rated, and it might also be because I don't understand the standard and objective that we're going for.
05:55:06.420And the way that I see it is some people are going to be more into someone like Megan Fox.
05:55:12.580Some people are going to be more into someone like Megan Sweeney, Megan Sweeney, Sydney Sweeney, right?
05:55:17.220They just like a blonde, big boobs, or someone that's not like that.
05:55:20.820So what is the measurement that everyone is kind of attaining to when it comes to personal preference?
05:55:27.720Or is there, like, this unspoken thing where it's like, no, no, no, well, if they have this, this, this, and this, then they have to be like that.
05:55:35.400Now, I know the obvious lines of, like, don't be morbidly obese, don't be probably a feminist, don't have really bad plastic surgery.
05:55:46.180do you get what i'm asking yeah yeah and a lot of people get confused on this for some reason and
05:55:50.660the whole point of the question is just to see like do you have a somewhat accurate assessment
05:55:55.580of your own looks or are you like delusionally off the charts with it so even if you have different
05:56:01.140tastes uh you know maybe i prefer uh curvier blondes and maybe that guy likes uh really skin
05:56:07.180dark haired girls or something like that it's still going to be in a private chat it's still
05:56:11.780going to be like am I am I more somewhere in the average range am I more somewhere in the above or
05:56:16.820the below average range and what you find this pattern of this is what the whatever podcast is
05:56:22.520really good at doing and why I defend it so much it's really good at establishing patterns of
05:56:27.320behavior that we see in young women and where they come from so if we see it's show after show after
05:56:32.200show girls who are clearly average saying they're tense and when we ask them why they're like I just
05:56:38.680feel like I'm, you know, and they, they go into all these things that have nothing to do with
05:56:42.340their looks. It kind of, it lets us understand like what's going on in the psychology of young
05:56:47.260women that affects dating, that affects mate choice, that affects society at large. If all
05:56:53.740the women are running around going, you're a 10 girl, you're a 10. And Homath, my friend Homath
05:56:57.780does a really great job of explaining this. Women will say we're all 10s because
05:57:02.720the the actually hot chicks know that if they don't call the other girls a 10 they'll all gang
05:57:09.740up on them and hate them and the girls who are not 10s all kind of instinctually know we all have
05:57:14.840to all say that we're 10s as well so that you know we can compete in the hierarchy in the sexual
05:57:19.800marketplace or whatever so like women interest sexual competition among women makes us do some
05:57:25.180weird things and i'm not even saying it's wrong but it it kind of helps illustrate what's going
05:57:29.660on with that i mean i can so i don't disagree sorry yeah really quick just pull up the the thing
05:57:34.880oh uh could you right click on the image and do uh open image and new tab
05:57:43.660first one tab over to it okay click on it
05:57:51.320all right scroll to the top so i mean when when i'm doing a rating it is based off of objectively
05:57:58.180objective measurable traits. You have the facial harmony. Scroll down. There's the mid-face ratio.
05:58:04.800There's assessments of the eyes. That would have to do with canthal tilt.
05:58:10.320There's skin. If you're scrolling down, there's certain face shapes. You can look at the person's
05:58:17.140nose. You can look at their lips. There's certain ratios to the lips that are more desirable.
05:58:23.000There's the maxilla, the mandible, the zygomatic bones, the cheekbones, the chin.
05:58:26.820um so so there's all kinds of various features that can be objectively measured when it comes to
05:58:34.860uh ratings so yeah i don't think i disagreed then i think i just lacked understanding so thank you
05:58:41.380uh here let's do this a couple things from the questionnaire we have uh let's see i guess going
05:58:47.340to raven uh this sort of ties back to something we were talking about before women can't be sexist
05:58:52.940towards men I think you're the only one who bid on that but you also think that
05:58:59.660white people can't or sorry black people can't be racist towards white people
05:59:03.800why is that I feel like it's because you oh yeah I forgot I can't have feelings
05:59:15.280hold on you can have feelings but to be underscore Indy donated $200 I have no
05:59:22.160social media it's poison wait do what you will with your show i am just a fan so are you saying
05:59:28.580that whoever sent me that dm with your username that was like an imposter it was a fraud
05:59:35.720i don't know somebody messaged me and said it was you and it had like the same username
05:59:40.840on instagram on the whatever instagram so i don't know if somebody was
05:59:44.040an imposter but then they stopped responding um but thank you for your tts man appreciate it
05:59:49.560you're a legend uh okay so people of color can't be racist towards white people why is that
05:59:57.580i believe that people of color can technically say racist things or do racist things against
06:00:06.640white people i just don't think it's to the same degree it's not as bad when they do it
06:00:10.960yeah isn't that kind of racist in and of itself to say when a black person does something to a
06:00:18.120white person it's not as bad no i don't i don't think or sorry racist i mean i i don't think for
06:00:27.680that reason it depends on what they do too but i don't think it's for the specific the specificity
06:00:35.660of just racism what about this so a white person kills a black person because they're black a black
06:00:42.620person kills a white person because they're white is that uh equal in uh terms of what would be the
06:00:50.900right word equal in terms of just as a hate crime like there's no is that an equal wrong
06:00:56.940like as a hate crime just they don't like that person because they're black they don't like that
06:01:02.540person because they're white so they just and they kill them for that reason i think that's the same
06:01:06.680that's the same crime same well it's the same crime is it the same wrong yes are they morally
06:01:13.040equivalent in their wrongness yes oh okay um can can black people be racist in africa
06:01:20.940towards white people where in africa uh because there's also different places nigeria
06:01:27.160no i mean wait black people you did say wait you did say that even the united states black
06:01:35.840people can be racist towards white people but the severity is not as wait but you said can black
06:01:41.200people in africa be racist against other black people did i say that okay well that's what i
06:01:48.000that's what i heard okay well can black people in africa be racist towards white people
06:01:52.640i guess that yes probably because white people would probably be the minority they would be
06:02:01.240minority and they wouldn't have like systemic uh power in the country like probably all the people
06:02:06.160in the government in nigeria are black and they have uh they have the systemic power in nigeria
06:02:12.880yes okay uh using your own metric though would black on white racism be worse in nigeria than
06:02:20.400white on black racism in nigeria because they hold his systemic power in nigeria
06:02:27.080are we going back to the unaliving of like a person like a black person killing a white
06:02:38.240person white well we're just going back to you racism in general yeah so you your position is
06:02:43.600that people of color well you you said that it's not as bad when people of color are racist towards
06:02:49.120white people and i'm assuming you're talking about in like a western white country yes right
06:02:53.740So then wouldn't it be the case that in a black, well, an African country where they're black, if black people, it would be worse for them to be racist towards white people than white people to be racist towards black people in the predominantly black country?
06:03:20.300i guess so that that's kind of interesting i guess i mean i don't know i i mean i've never
06:03:27.320personally been but they can't black people in the united states can be racist towards white
06:03:32.300people it's just not as bad is that correct essentially okay um and then the same with
06:03:39.460women uh women can be sexist towards men but it's not as bad when they do it yes okay i assume that
06:03:45.820applies to all countries then yes okay does it apply to all intersections like
06:03:53.180intersectionality like as well you would agree that there are some women who are like more
06:03:57.660powerful than some men um or women who have more privilege than some men or women who have more
06:04:05.280money than some men or there's a power imbalance like employer employee like for example let's say
06:04:11.720Like a poor black homeless man versus a rich white lady.
06:04:16.040So basically, can a rich white lady, would it be worse for a rich white lady to be sexist towards a homeless man than a homeless man to be sexist against a rich white lady?
06:11:02.460Maybe it depends on how much they're drinking.
06:11:05.300I do think that the proportion in any case, like even if a woman is being the assailant,
06:11:11.400the guy's just gonna like try to get away or it's not gonna but like if you put a man in that
06:11:16.960position and the man you're you're a man being aggressive towards another man you're gonna get
06:11:21.980into a like that man's gonna put hands back on you so women have uh certain like protections i
06:11:27.320actually think uh in this i mean do you disagree with anything i just just said you think that
06:11:32.660that maps on correctly or i do agree that in that scenario if a man was being attacked they are
06:11:42.160a lot less likely to be helped by other men for sure i i also agree that there are some men who
06:11:48.840would definitely help a woman in that scenario for sure so you agree i agree with that yes well
06:11:55.960yes what i'm saying is is that yes men would step in to protect a woman who's getting beat by a man
06:12:01.640But many of them would definitely, like far fewer, perhaps even none, would step in to protect another man who's being beat up by another man.
06:12:09.840They would just see that as like a mutual combat situation.
06:12:29.300I actually think, though, in a situation where the woman is the aggressor and the man strikes her back, even if people see what led up to it and see that she was the aggressor first, let's say the girl punches him in the face and he just fucking clocks her, which you might say, hey, that's not fair.
06:12:53.660but uh i think some men even in that context would be like you never put your hands on a woman boom
06:13:00.440and they fucking they i think they might still attack him even in that circumstance now i think
06:13:05.520it's less likely than just the instance of like the man being the aggressor but uh so i you know
06:13:10.160this idea that um women don't have equal rights because women are more scared i don't really know
06:13:17.500about that and also men are more likely to own firearms so i think anyways um so it occurs to
06:13:27.400me that men do seem to and men typically own firearms for self-defense like that's i think
06:13:33.260the primary reason men own firearms what primary reason anyone owns firearms for self-defense but
06:13:39.300more men owned firearms so it would occur to me then that actually men seem a bit more heavily
06:13:43.780invested in their self-defense than women are men have a greater fear of some scenario that would
06:13:50.380require a firearm yeah i could frame it like that okay well is there anything else besides that when
06:13:56.980uh you say women do not have equal rights to men in the usa why is it anything else
06:14:01.840what though what has what has there ever been a okay okay you got this
06:14:10.760when has there ever been a vote about what a man should do with his own body
06:14:17.100because because now we're because now we're gonna get let's do it here no but i love it no but here's
06:14:22.900what i'm saying though is i'm talking i'm going back to abortion yeah we know we know yeah so
06:14:29.580that's my yeah okay well men have to sign up for the draft when they turn 18 and women don't and
06:14:37.360if the government calls them and tells them they have to go to war like they did in vietnam do you
06:14:40.760know how many men were drafted into the vietnam war and died because the government said we know
06:14:46.680you don't want to go to war but you have to do anything i don't agree you don't agree with it
06:14:50.320but it's the case okay but i don't agree it doesn't matter if you don't agree with it it's
06:14:55.720the case your argument okay you said when has there ever been a law governing a man's body
06:15:01.020there is one right now men in ukraine and russia i think russia has lost 140 000 guys since the
06:15:07.220start of their war i thought are they sending any of the women to die is the government of
06:15:12.200russia sending women to die i don't think so i think that's a lot worse you're entitled to your
06:15:19.480opinion that's worse than a woman not being able to have an abortion true well put it's definitely
06:15:27.060worse because because the government is forcing the men the government is taking away the woman's
06:15:34.240bodily autonomy whereas the woman in most cases of abortion uh she voluntarily had sex yeah and so
06:15:42.440um there's another layer there i wish we could change the conversation from abortions being
06:15:49.060right or wrong to let's avoid some unwanted pregnancies like everybody knows everybody knows
06:15:54.980how to do that now though there's not a personal lie there should be more accountability i just
06:15:59.200feel like yeah yeah well on the note of the whole misogyny charge and women are scared because the
06:16:06.440men are so violent and and you had said that you think because I'm married to Andrew that means I
06:16:11.000must have this misogynist so therefore you're implying he's very misogynistic and I thought
06:16:15.980about this and when I met Andrew I had just told you guys I got out of this very seriously abusive
06:16:23.120relationship and he actually took me to a gun range and taught me how to shoot and defend myself
06:16:29.740so I could protect myself and that ended up being the only thing that got rid of the bad guy
06:16:33.920so I think that's some good proof that he's not a misogynist in addition to that we were at a party
06:16:39.080one time and a guy just said something rude and off color to me he was super drunk and he asked
06:16:44.580me if I wanted to take a shower with him I thought I must have heard him wrong so I said what exactly
06:16:49.100i said what and right on beat and the guy repeated it and andrew just calmly open palm
06:16:55.820slapped the guy knocked him out cold right on his feet just for saying something rude to the lady
06:17:01.020so i think he's actually very chivalrous he also also defended our whole family in a home invasion
06:17:09.180we had a home invasion at night in the middle of the night the dogs outside woke us up there
06:17:13.820There were people in our basement, and Andrew went down with a shotgun and scared them away,
06:17:18.420and they ended up getting arrested, going to prison, all that sort of stuff.
06:17:22.520So there's at least three times I can think of that he has heroically saved me, a woman.
06:17:30.420So I'm wondering, like, he's not a very good misogynist.
06:20:54.780The majority of child support payments go from men to women.
06:20:57.700I think it's anywhere from 93 to 97 percent. That's the so disproportionately impacts men.
06:21:04.720In addition to that, I do think that if we were to account for the discrepancies, I think judges would be less likely to send women who are defaulting on their child support.
06:52:18.000What if you lied about how, if you wanted to be a doctor and you lied about all of your, because this has happened.
06:52:22.700People have, you know, lied about medical licensing and have ended up doing operations on people's bodies, you know, without having the prior knowledge or the right education.
06:52:31.780How would you feel if you knew a doctor took that risk on your body?
06:52:35.740You know, and I know that sounds really crazy, but it's like the idea of deception, right?
06:52:40.060Would you feel okay knowing, hey, this person doesn't actually have all of the knowledge and research.
06:52:45.560Am I okay with them working on my body?
06:52:47.380such unrelated topics well well hold on related to consent though there is a there is a scenario
06:52:53.520where for example let's say it's it's dark in a bedroom and a a woman sneaks into like a stranger
06:53:02.300woman sneaks into a married man's bed and she uh maybe she she pretends her well she doesn't even
06:53:10.060have to speak but she acts as if she is the wife of the husband and this could go in either direction
06:53:15.880um that is actually uh and the sex is otherwise consensual but there's an act of deception that
06:53:22.700is rape identity deception an identity deception yeah so i think so it is actually like for example
06:53:27.980there was a case where a man snuck into a woman's bed and she was married and the husband i don't
06:53:35.760know what the whole context was but she a man snuck into a woman's bed and acted as if he was
06:53:42.540the husband and there was a so it was consent the the the sex was not forced but um and i'm
06:53:51.160not articulating this perfectly i think i know what you're saying that that is right that is
06:53:55.160legally deemed criminally deemed rape so in this same circumstance perhaps there is an argument
06:54:01.540where something as so uh critical as to the the identity of the person is being but you still know
06:54:11.920who they are they don't change when they go yes you but then but if you're straight and you only
06:54:17.480like women vaginas actual vaginas because whatever trans people have is not a vagina it is a vagina
06:54:25.260it is not a vagina it's a pseudo vagina the problem isn't transgender that's not their issue
06:54:33.120their issue is in like trans people stock uterus that's not at all you know oh boy okay i've got
06:54:39.020I've got a question for the pro-trans people.
06:54:42.360When somebody has anorexia and they think they're fat, but they're not, they're actually super skinny to the point that it's dangerous to their health, we don't reaffirm that and say, you should stop eating.
06:54:54.540You're actually really fat because that's what they want to hear.
06:54:59.240Why do we do the opposite with trans people?
06:55:01.700Why, when a biological male says, I think I'm a lady, we don't just go, no, you're not.
06:55:07.740How come we are compelled to play into and play along with the delusion, which, in the case of men, is often autogynephilia, which is a sexual kink.
06:55:19.900Why are we forced to participate in their sexual kink?
06:55:23.260No one is asking you to participate in any part of their life.
06:55:26.120You are if you're asking me to affirm their gender identity, yes.
06:55:29.700You are asking me to participate in their sexual kink by calling him a her.
06:55:34.560There's dudes that get boners from, yes, autogynephilia.
06:57:38.940Do you think men, like straight men, sometimes lie to women about their intention, their long-term intentions in furtherance of getting laid?
06:59:32.160I would still probably be found guilty
06:59:34.400of some sort of assault or battery or something
06:59:36.220even in that situation. I hope you never do that.
06:59:37.660Now, but I do think, like, even for the trans person's own safety, it would be beneficial to them to actually do a disclosure to prevent them from some, like, I could see some men being like, whoa, this is, you basically induced me into a homosexual act.
06:59:53.620Some men might, like, become violent in that situation.
06:59:56.640Now, look, I don't think you should, that's a terrible situation to be in.
07:01:34.640Oh, that's good, Lexi. I have something on that, Lexi. That's good, Lexi.
07:01:38.000And it's scary. Like, if I were into women, and suddenly you pull your pants out, and I see a dick, I think I'm going to get fucked up. I'm scared. I don't know what's going on. You deceived me. Like, absolutely not. And just because I'm a woman doesn't make it more scary. If a man goes out with what they think is a woman, who, too, pulls a dick out, it's scary.
07:02:02.500you're lesbian um so your your point was that the trans people have no duty to disclose is that
07:02:13.000correct yes is it possible that a sex act could occur in the dark where for example like you would
07:02:19.520agree that say this trans person that's super passing and they are post-operative and they
07:02:23.960have a vagina and we're getting down to business in the dark and i might not even be able to well
07:02:29.080um would it still be would it still bother you if they're pre-operative i should frame it like that
07:02:34.820i feel like you this all these situations are so hypothetical because you will never yes that's
07:02:40.520how you test the logic answer the question answer the question so i can get through it you will
07:02:44.220never you'll never pick someone up that is trans and you will not know that they are trans that's
07:02:48.040a lie that's an actual lie that's a literal lie but so just for the sake of moving things on uh
07:02:55.380engage with the hypothetical okay what's the hypothetical i forgot okay so is it conceivable
07:03:00.160um that i could uh this this trans woman could be pre-op hmm how about it so they have a dick
07:03:11.100right yeah yeah this i feel like this plays out a little differently in the scenario i'm about to
07:03:15.300give but um it's getting because it's a bit different the the physiology is a little
07:03:21.520different let's let me use the post-op one okay so uh post-operatively it's dark um
07:03:28.380could it be possible that i engage in a sex act with a trans woman without knowing that she's
07:03:35.380trans would you ever sleep with someone without having a relationship with them like would you
07:03:39.100just have one night stand like is this the situation it's a one it's a one it's a one
07:03:42.720night stand or like this is someone you've been like going out with that's the only question if
07:03:46.440it's a one night stand it's baked in that we're talking about a scenario in which a trans person
07:03:50.940is not disclosing that's the scenario what about in the case of a bj what if the trans woman gives
07:03:56.380you a bj and later you find out that's a dude we'll go there but really quick let me just get
07:04:00.260an answer on that i forgot what you said okay i'm sorry i'm tired okay so is it possible that
07:04:06.640i could end up having without there being a disclosure and not knowing could i end up having
07:04:11.440uh like sex with the trans post-op trans woman yes in this type of yeah so i could insert my
07:14:57.320I don't want them to face any violence.
07:14:59.380I want them to maneuver in the world in a positive way, as positive as they can, and I hope good things for them.
07:15:05.340I have no resentment or hatred for these people, but if you're asking me in a situation where they could conceivably deceive somebody into having sex with them,
07:15:13.660I would find it disgusting, for example, if a parent were to give their children, in furtherance of gender-affirming care, the hormones or whatever, or puberty blockers, that is disgusting.
07:18:20.440Okay, so, but you're saying it's not gross.
07:18:24.040So if that same penile tissue is inverted into a surgically incised hole in the man's pubic or the transgender woman's pubic area, it's still the same tissue.
07:26:41.440No, I'm saying a good thing about this because they pulled us over and the cops were like dealing with us like they were doing the DUI testing on her and shit.
07:26:48.260And there was this woman standing there filming being like, oh, like, I'm just concerned about all the ice shit going on and what you're going to get hate crimed and all this stuff.
07:26:55.640And I went over and talked to her and made her leave because that was not OK.
07:45:08.660He was trying to argue with me, trying to take our daughter out of my room, and I said no.
07:45:12.840Why did he try to take the daughter out of the room?
07:45:14.740because he accused me of abusing her because i took a tablet away from her and she got upset
07:45:19.040so i wouldn't i mean that wouldn't i don't think that'd be abusive to take a tablet away
07:45:26.260no but i don't know all the details i don't think so either but if the child if the child is upset
07:45:30.460and he as the dad comes in and says okay you and her are having a moment you know you she's upset
07:45:37.980you're upset i'm taking her out of here why would you bite him why wouldn't you let him take the
07:45:43.720child out of the situation let her calm down let you calm down why would you bite him and then why
07:45:48.660would you bite him at that point i bit him when he was restraining me and wouldn't let me go
07:45:53.380why was he restraining you so he usually when you're restraining somebody it's
07:45:59.980like you don't just walk up to somebody who's not doing anything he restrained me after he
07:46:05.800pulled her daughter from my arms but what happened between that like did you happen to say like oh
07:46:11.060I'm going to do this, or I'm not going to let you take her, like, I'm not saying it's your fault,
07:46:14.980but is there, like, a detail between when he restrained you and that moment from the tablet?
07:46:20.420Does that make sense? So I was in my room with my daughter. We were verbally arguing. He decided
07:46:27.640he didn't want to argue anymore, and he shoves me out of the way. I'd never had anybody put their
07:46:31.900hands on me before, so he took her daughter in the other room. I got her back and was trying to
07:46:37.400go back to my room because I didn't feel safe. It sounds like he was trying to de-escalate a
07:46:46.520situation with you and the kid and you were so worked up because you had you just told me all
07:46:51.640that other detail to let me know that you were you said I had a bit of a breakdown you know I
07:46:58.720had a bit of a mental breakdown over all this stress so it sounds like he was seeing that you
07:47:04.420out of control the kid is upset i gotta separate them and you took that as him you know uh overstepping
07:47:13.620or trying to take her from you or something when maybe he was trying to de-escalate i don't know
07:47:17.940i wasn't there but i mean how would you take it if somebody accused you of abusing your child
07:47:26.420when you were not abusing them well I wouldn't I didn't let her I wouldn't like grab them or
07:47:33.620try to like I would be like I'm not abusing her the entire time like me telling him that I didn't
07:47:40.640feel like it was a good time for his family to come visit um but if he has cancer you let his
07:47:47.040family visit I don't really care you know like yeah there are certain situations yes you're
07:47:52.300stressed yes it's your home but if the man just got diagnosed with cancer and he wants his mother
07:47:56.980and his sister there i think you can handle that if you again if you were 22 maybe you don't have
07:48:04.840those skills yet but i feel like at your age if if your husband gets diagnosed with cancer and he
07:48:08.760wants his family there are so many other things also yeah maybe everything like it's one in the
07:48:14.800morning i have to drive home after this it's nine hours like chill out just chill out stop you got
07:48:20.920i'm sorry that you're not getting any attention no i'm just saying it's one and i was told to
07:48:25.080be over like 11 30 12. no hold on would you stop whinging this is actually you know you
07:48:32.120you want to go on the crusade for do you think a woman should be president
07:48:37.880i think a woman could be a president i don't think okay then suck it up then so anyways
07:48:42.200back to this story you're a strong independent woman you can do it just be a trooper we're
07:48:45.720we're i'm getting through everyone's notes we're we're at the tail end here just be a trooper
07:48:50.920Um, okay. But in any case, so you, you are in the, there's a, were the charges dropped? Yeah. You said you were in jail. They had, you did bite him. You bit a cancer patient. Wow. The optics of that are not good.
07:53:10.460When you say you were acting in self defense
07:53:13.700so he was restraining you he was restraining me from behind but was there an escalation of the
07:53:20.300assault beyond restraining you when i was trying to go back to my room i was holding our daughter
07:53:25.720and i tried to like push my way through and he's shoving me and he hit our daughter's head on the
07:53:31.420wall like i didn't want him having her at that point well that sounds very dysfunctional no it
07:53:36.020was totally dysfunctional very dysfunctional and i'm not happy with that being the way it ended
07:53:40.700but i'm glad that the relationship is over because but okay um all right well uh going to
07:53:47.520you mariana a topic you feel strongly about is that the patriarchy has hurt the energy of the
07:53:51.720divine masculine so i wish we got into this sooner but yeah has hurt the energy of the divine
07:53:56.780masculine so much so that men don't find pleasure in pleasing a woman when you say pleasing a woman
07:54:02.680are you not sexually just like and i want to say that i don't it's i after hearing rachel talk i'm
07:54:09.180very much understanding that my idea of the patriarchy is not what I thought it was but I do
07:54:15.220believe that I believe that today a lot of men have not done and I think this goes for everybody
07:54:23.800I think the problem is my something I feel strongly about is that everybody is so out of touch
07:54:28.020with their selves and so in touch with things like like the gender and asking questions that
07:54:34.640shouldn't matter and everyone's so outside of themselves and I think like what I meant by
07:54:41.200men don't want to please women anymore I feel like in today's society it feels like men want to
07:54:47.500be the simps and they want to be like well what am I going to get from a woman what do I
07:54:53.220what is the relationship giving me but I think that's a great question and I asked Brianna that
07:55:00.660question yesterday because she sat there and told us all the things men need to do better
07:55:05.660what men's duties are what men's responsibilities are and I said okay fair what are women's
07:55:11.220responsibilities what are women's duties and she was like what do you mean same thing that
07:55:16.400Tommy Lahren said when Andrew asked her this question Tommy Lahren literally said to Andrew
07:55:20.560you get to have the pleasure of watching me have the stuff you give me duh like that was her genius
07:55:27.180answer to the question of what do men get from relationships we all are very comfortable telling
07:55:32.360men what they need to do they're expected to provide and protect and be masculine and you
07:55:38.560know we have this whole list of what men are supposed to do and then we say okay what are
07:55:41.940women's duties to men and I've not to this day had a woman tell me what well I feel like I feel like
07:55:49.160the whole idea that roles are only for certain genders I think that that is um I think that
07:55:59.780that's an old thought I think that an unconventional thought of mine is that there are archetypes in
07:56:05.220all relationships and sometimes the woman is taking on what society would call the man's role
07:56:10.760and it has to come down to the conversation and what the dynamic should be between them and not
07:56:17.840oh, well, society tells me that this man should do this, this, and that.
07:56:21.100I think that everybody deciding what their relationship is based on what society tells them is a problem.
07:56:29.000I don't think you should get into a relationship based on what society is telling you.
07:56:32.260I think that if you want somebody to literally worship you and give you all the money in the world,
07:56:38.280and there's a guy that wants to do that, cool, but that should not be the standard.
07:56:43.360and at the same time i don't think that men should be caught so do you just to make it more concise
07:56:50.380do you think there should be a standard or is it just hey everybody just do whatever works for you
07:56:55.280i think it should be whatever works between the two parties what about when there's kids
07:57:00.560i that's where the whole idea of having um archetypal roles should not be deduced to gender
07:57:09.140both men and women have a duty to their children it has nothing to do with sure but you're a mom
07:57:15.160right yes so only you could carry the baby only you could nurse the baby and especially for that
07:57:22.100first two years it's mostly mom doing everything it's but it's by biological necessity so if you're
07:57:29.240breastfeeding that's kind of a full-time job you're doing that all day and all night um right
07:57:34.320And if you have little kids and you're a mom and you're full-time breastfeeding and raising little infants and toddlers, you need someone to do the providing and the protecting because you don't have the time to do it yourself.
07:57:48.360And I believe that we have completely gone away from that whole idea that you do need a protector and a provider when you're bringing kids into this world if you're having kids with a baby.
07:57:58.680But I don't think that the role should only be divided based on gender.
08:06:58.340Why does she think men should protect her, though?
08:07:01.380I honestly, though, like regardless of how I feel about men protecting me, I was I was answering the statements.
08:07:08.820Well, how about this? Let me let me reframe. Do you think men in heterosexual relationships, not yours, but men in heterosexual relationships, should they do all those things?
08:07:18.460Yes. And do you think it's OK in that circumstance if a man is dating a woman? Is it OK for her to keep her last name?
08:07:25.280Yes. Great. So men get nothing. Grace, men should pay on first dates.
08:07:29.940men should provide protect men should be chivalrous husband should be willing to die
08:07:33.180protecting you you will keep your last name or hyphenated marriage i changed my last name when
08:07:39.360i married my ex-husband i didn't want to do it closer to the mic please sorry i changed my last
08:07:44.580name when i had married my ex-husband i didn't want to do it again my daughter because her dad
08:07:49.620and i were not married when she was born she has both of our last names not hyphenated so
08:07:56.600okay i don't believe okay well really quick um frankly if you're not willing to do that
08:08:03.700you don't deserve any of the preceding things that you think men should do
08:08:07.460you don't deserve it why because like let's get to you ah yes you too mariana men should pay on
08:08:16.080first dates men should provide protect husband should be willing to die protecting you you will
08:08:20.500keep your last name or hyphenate marriage yes hyphenate or keep your last name keep my oh
08:08:24.840hyphenated but i would i would does he have to hyphenate he can do whatever he wants okay but
08:08:32.200you're gonna hyphenate what about the kids do they get the hyphenate or do they get
08:08:35.960your uh his last name they would get his last name that's somewhat more fair but you won't
08:08:41.940change your last name i find that interesting no man should be willing to die protecting you
08:08:45.960uh that's for certain uh let's see well i think that if you're a feminist you should have to fill
08:08:53.360out a form saying that you waive any rights to uh call the police 9-1-1 have firefighters come
08:09:00.800unless they are women you can have your own you can start your own feminist police force your own
08:09:06.100feminist firefighting club you can hire your own female bodyguards but you don't get to be protected
08:09:12.960by the men and you don't get to and in fact let's give them like wyoming we'll just rope it off and
08:09:19.620they can build their own infrastructure they can keep the power running by themselves they can have
08:09:24.220their separatist community without any of the men and without any of the benefits of living with men
08:09:28.760that's what i think's fair i mean i i just want to understand the name change because my whole
08:09:34.460my whole reason for that is because i don't want to get married with the government that's my own
08:09:40.000issue my boyfriend and i don't want the government like we don't want to sign a certificate with
08:09:45.120the courthouse that says we are this and when you do that you have to change your last name and that
08:09:50.320is my you don't you actually don't have to wait really no you don't have to change your name i
08:09:55.940oh i completely thought that you have to change your name but i listen i do understand not wanting
08:10:03.300the government involved actually i still i still think the government should not be involved i
08:10:08.240think that the church should govern it and maybe if you're like pagan or you're a witch or something
08:10:12.640you'll have some kind of like mother earth festival ceremony i don't know but um i don't
08:10:18.440know why you get married honestly if you're not like religious but but i mean uh even if you don't
08:10:23.580get a legal name change you could still hold yourself out as miss mariana smith right i mean
08:10:29.940i you wouldn't do that yeah oh no i would do that if it had nothing to do with the legality
08:10:35.940your stuff i would do that because i that's that's like how you determine family in my in my opinion
08:10:42.700you like how we even have the only reason we even have last names is to determine families from
08:10:48.420separate families that's the only reason we have it is to know that this person these people came
08:10:52.700from i think it's funny when women want to keep their last name because it's actually their dad's
08:10:56.440last name and if it's not their dad's last name it's their grandpa's last name it's like you still
08:11:00.260have a man's name uh for i guess those of you here those of you who said men should pay on first
08:11:04.920dates why uh raven why should men pay on first dates because men should be paying
08:11:15.460brilliant holy fuck good job yikes men should be paying because men should be paying because
08:11:22.580men should be paying yes why i mean i do fendom does it really a surprise to you
08:11:28.620that you can't formulate a coherent thought well you're actually you're you're also asking me
08:11:36.840as someone who doesn't date men if men should pay on a first date yes why should men pay on first
08:11:42.980dates i think they should pay on the first date i recently went on three dates so the guy he paid
08:11:49.220the first two dates i paid the third date great you didn't answer my question whatsoever he was
08:11:55.680the one who asked me out okay so the question was why should men pay on first dates and you
08:12:02.300said that i just went on the date and the guy paid for the date but that doesn't answer the
08:12:07.020question as to why the man should pay for the date so is it is your answer though because he
08:12:11.120asked you out yes okay is there any other reason i mean men typically make more than money make
08:12:20.380more money than women that's no not even necessarily well uh there's not a wage gap
08:12:26.340if that's what you're alluding to do you think there's a gender wage gap well i mean depending
08:12:35.100on which um jobs each person has i think he means like overall no yeah okay um so men
08:12:46.560make more money, I guess. Therefore, they should pay. So in a situation where a man approached
08:12:51.200a woman, asked her on a date, but she made $500,000 a year. He made $50,000 a year. Should
08:12:57.040the woman pay? I mean, maybe not all the time, but yeah. First date. First date. I think
08:13:07.140whoever asked the person out for the date. Have you ever asked a guy out on a date? First
08:13:10.960date? Not that I remember. I did ask on a third date. Well, but I asked about first date. So
08:13:22.940your position is men should, whoever asks should pay, but you're 44 years old. And I'm not saying
08:13:29.380that as a tack, but in your 44 years, you've never asked a man out on a date. If men held
08:13:36.920the position you held uh they would be a 44 year old virgin if we put you with your same attitude
08:13:46.780into a man's body you would be a 44 year old virgin i technically asked my boyfriend on the
08:13:51.700first date so i wasn't talking about you but but some people do i mean but it's interesting to me
08:13:57.780the whoever i should pay would you let a woman pay on a first date with you yeah it's good if a
08:14:04.100woman since i think but but am i perfectly prepared if i'm per am i perfectly prepared
08:14:12.280to pay for the date of course and it's typically what i do but yeah i i wouldn't like do some
08:14:18.300objection to it i guess actually you know what i probably wouldn't it depends on the circumstance
08:14:22.500but i don't see how that really pertains i think that men shouldn't pay for dates at all with women
08:14:29.700who refuse to be submissive i think if you're not going to if you want the man to lead that
08:14:36.320implies and infers that you must submit if you're not going to do that then don't expect anything
08:14:44.000amen what do you mean by submit so women will always say like the
08:14:49.400bimbo that i debated yesterday kept saying men need to be better leaders they need to do a better
08:14:55.880job of leading they need to lead more but she was the exact type of woman that if a man was trying
08:15:00.960to lead if she was in a relationship and the guy said this is what we're going to do with the money
08:15:05.600and we're going to buy a house and it's going to be here she would go I don't like that I think we
08:15:10.940need to do it this way and why do we have to do what you want and why can't we do what I want and
08:15:14.560so it's like they'll say they want a leader but they'll refuse to follow so you it's and it just
08:15:21.100first date and then they don't know why every relationship they have is just it's like so i
08:15:26.640think if you want men to pay for everything if you want them to protect you and provide for you
08:15:30.920and lead you then you got to be a submissive woman and you have to first date though like
08:15:34.980how would you be i'm just trying to like figure out what would be like a like how would the guy
08:15:38.560know how would you know i've always like 50 50 when i'm especially first getting to know somebody
08:15:44.860because it's just like there's expectations i feel like you know it's kind of weird it's like well
08:15:49.920if I buy your dinner will you let me hit you know kind of oh and I don't ever want to feel like that
08:15:55.740so I've just always kind of like well yes it's wrong for men to have an expectation that just
08:15:59.500because you've taken a woman to on a dinner date that that he's owed sex that's weird it's just
08:16:04.360that's weird I just don't ever want to run into it and I've always done 50 50 and then my boyfriend
08:16:08.620me and me now we kind of like trade off it doesn't really matter okay well I mean uh really quick
08:16:12.640going back going back to you though um it's it is interesting on the who pays you've whoever I
08:16:19.160should pay, but you've never asked a man out. That's very convenient position for women to have.
08:16:23.600I might have years and years ago. I don't remember specifically. Um, I also prefer men that are in
08:16:30.540their masculine energy and I feel like that is something that they would want to do. Well,
08:16:35.600wouldn't a woman who's in her feminine energy want to take the man's last name in marriage?
08:16:42.180I think I was thinking more of the last relationship that I was in and, you know,
08:16:47.760I'm not completely opposed to it in the future just so you're I really like you're going to
08:16:54.360punish your future husband because you were in a bad relationship previously if you bring your
08:16:59.580past to the current there won't be a future um I also when I was in bars when I was to take my
08:17:11.820mom's last name um and my grandfather was a really amazing person and you know i do feel like
08:17:18.580the history of my name means something to me so it's not that i wouldn't ever consider it but
08:17:26.620you know right now well my money my money means something to me and why should i
08:17:34.560provide for a wife when the money means something to me i don't want to give her that
08:17:40.740that paper is a representation of my labor and my toil and my struggle yeah yeah
08:17:50.480it means something to me the money that i have is that the only thing you think a woman can give a
08:17:56.360man though is when they get married oh she can give a lot more than the last name okay but that
08:18:01.680from it are you traditional do you consider yourself you're traditional do you want a
08:18:07.060traditional dynamic in your past relationship, your past marriage, uh, you were the stay at home
08:18:11.960wife. The man was the primary breadwinner. I think, uh, tradition ought to beget tradition.
08:18:19.400So if you want a traditional man, you should be traditional. And under the purview of traditional
08:18:24.880gender roles and whatever, it is traditional. It is typical that the wife takes the husband's
08:18:30.240last name. That is traditional. And I did do that. Right. But I'm just, I'm not saying I
08:18:36.940100% yes or no I'm saying sure yeah but why should men pay for first dates
08:18:42.280I want you want I want men to pay for the first date because I'm a little materialistic I like
08:18:51.000to be pursued in that sense I want to see like oh they want to riz me oh they want to take me
08:18:55.940on this first date they want to you know give me an experience that I don't have to financially
08:19:01.000be indebted to they want to do that for me because in this scenario well i i am good single i haven't
08:19:09.080pursued um i haven't directly like pursued people until a man has taken initiative um so and that's
08:19:18.380just like my preference i enjoy that i like being rizzed up i like i like the money i like it's i
08:19:23.260think it's fun like hey you're going out he's paying for it that gives me a really excited
08:19:29.680um thing for the relationship but okay well could it be really exciting for the man that this chick
08:19:34.900is like going against social conventions to be such a simp to break the mold that she she's so
08:19:43.480into him that she'll pay she'll go against the mold i mean i think that would actually communicate
08:19:48.780a lot more than sort of going along with the status quo of men paying for the first dates but
08:19:53.020i will move it all along for the sake of time i guess one question related to this is if men
08:19:58.680should do all these things men should pay on first dates men should provide protect men should be
08:20:02.100chivalrous husband should be willing to die man should be willing to die protecting you what
08:20:09.760should and i think rachel might have asked this what should women do i mean i would take a bullet
08:20:17.000for him as well it's i mean i expect it from him but i would give it right back to him i'll come
08:20:22.760back to that but let me get answers from other people provide provide like if they have kids
08:20:26.880provide for the kids take care of the kids if that's what they're doing kids what are you talking
08:20:31.420about like for women oh what should women do what should women do yeah they should help take care of
08:20:37.160him if they're expecting him to be the breadwinner then they should be the one that's taking care of
08:20:40.640the house doing stuff like that unless they're both working and they both have yeah yeah unless
08:20:44.080they both have separate finances and they're like supporting themselves that's a different story
08:20:47.260but if she's expecting him to take care of her financially she should be doing something like
08:20:51.220housework to take care of them um submit choose an alpha male to submit to not a beta male so you
08:20:58.440don't take it out on other men and then um nurture you know i liked your question where it was like
08:21:04.620how do you do that in the beginning um like if a man were to do that i would show nurturing and
08:21:09.640appreciation and also show him how i like to cook for him or show other skills that so we can kind
08:21:15.560of see a window into okay this is a little bit of what it would be like for this person and i know
08:21:20.440that's not for everybody but in a traditionally submissive standpoint I think that that's who
08:21:26.400should be paid for on a date because you know that they have the character intention and belief system
08:21:32.600to follow through with reciprocating that care love and energy and that means you don't just
08:21:38.420feel like your wallet's being drained like a freaking psychotic loser you actually feel like
08:21:42.400you're investing in a woman that is investing her time love care and energy into you so that's what
08:21:48.960makes it worth it but if it's a feminist i mean have her pay that's what she wants so yep uh okay
08:21:55.360uh rena your notes you wanted to discuss maybe would be finding someone not sensitive to words
08:22:01.300like retarded dude yeah i didn't realize it was such a thing and then uh i also do social media
08:22:07.860i do youtube and i do instagram and stuff just like recording videos of me working on my car
08:22:11.560and somebody oh man somebody commented something like oh i think i was saying something about like
08:22:18.240OnlyFans girls I was like oh you know it sucks that uh some of us out here you know work our
08:22:23.480asses off for something that you'd make in three days you know I just think you know I just it just
08:22:29.380kind of sucks I was just making a joke about it and someone said something and I said oh that's
08:22:34.220retarded and oh they just freaked out on me and I was like holy shit we should liberate the r word
08:22:40.740I feel like it's actually outside of California I think it's okay to say retarded I think as long
08:22:45.420as you're not going up to someone down it is okay yeah well that's a whole different story yeah i
08:22:50.040don't think anybody was ever doing that it's like dude that's retarded it's like how in the 80s we
08:22:54.280say dude that's gay and it didn't mean any we weren't we weren't like dissing on gay people
08:23:00.080even we were just i have gay friends yeah all right we have uh bender bender pure delusion
08:23:05.620number one none of that sounds like hospice number two the dv thing sounds a little sus the
08:23:10.080girl is cooked uh thank you for your soup chat i don't know if anyone has a response there 10
08:23:15.600display 100 read uh 200 tts if you guys want to get one in here at the tail end no we're not going
08:23:21.340to do the roast session uh i think we're i think i have one more person's notes hold on let me just
08:23:28.300you were asking me something before i think i maybe dm'd you a question uh i don't he asked
08:23:36.060you to marry him i did i did ask you to marry marry me um let's see uh okay we did the retarded
08:23:43.420thing wait did you say you were gonna take the last name or no i would take the last name lexi
08:23:49.060atlas yeah so she's not locked in uh would you date somebody just going off of her note would
08:23:56.680you date somebody who used the word retard yes i would not date like a white guy that says the n
08:24:01.560word though oh why not with an a or an r no no you would not date a woman what about a woman who said
08:24:10.600the what if she's like the best yo no and she just called you a retard no you wouldn't date
08:24:19.780like she's so hot and she's really good at women things uh never mind what if she was using it in
08:24:27.120one of her witchcraft spells it was like hocus pocus retardists no okay okay uh olivia you want
08:24:36.840to dismantle feminism you you are an ex brainwashed only fans girl you you say making a sandwich isn't
08:24:43.320oppressive um let's see uh yeah i guess you want to dismantle feminism and making a sandwich isn't
08:24:54.640impressive do you want to kind of um elaborate i guess yeah so the ex only fans thing um
08:25:02.720and this is not me blaming but i had an ex of seven years and i was trying to submit to a beta
08:25:12.640mail my poor choice and he'd be like just post pictures of your feet like if it was this easy
08:25:18.960for me i do it it's so easy for women so that was the only fans passed um just don't date beta men
08:25:26.140and then after that um feminism has completely destroyed everything ever since the seneca falls
08:25:32.440convention it's been completely downhill since every single wave and then shulamith firestone
08:25:37.960is just like the most psychotic person so actually every single thing about feminism
08:25:43.100has been built on hating men if you do your homework you find out rachel not so crazy
08:25:49.800so i just it also it also like pulling women out of the home with family wait what feminism
08:25:57.020is she saying oh you mean into the workplace yeah yeah for sure that was like it created
08:26:03.100two people but that was double the tax burden that was to support the debt-based economy with
08:26:09.680the uh federal reserve act and the compulsory education system to create the department of
08:26:14.840education which is another big fat tax everybody gets to pay through their property taxes yeah
08:26:19.560there was a whole bunch of reasons yeah for it uh anything else on that olivia um i understand
08:26:26.540on the forefront how it feels power how it feels powerful and positive to hear equality and
08:26:33.200feminism but just remember that like being an equal doesn't always mean that you're not equal
08:26:39.560in value. Women are wonderful. They're amazing. They're needed. And I think if we can just
08:26:43.900recognize the fundamental differences and allow those things to coexist instead of each individual
08:26:49.900gender trying to be everything or they, them nonsense or whatever, um, I just own it, dude.
08:26:57.220Like you are biologically made a certain way and it's okay. Yeah. Don't let the sisterhood shame you
08:27:04.060for just wanting to be, just being a mom is like a great, great thing to do with your life. You
08:27:09.920don't have to have some career and prove that you can do everything guys can do. Yeah. And, uh,
08:27:15.200I do think there's like, uh, men and women have inherent equal value, equal moral value. And I
08:27:22.200think the Christian perspective is there's, it's a complimentarian perspective. Men and women
08:27:27.360complement each other is that yes it's a little bit more of the protestant like newer idea of it
08:27:33.200um in the orthodox view marriage is a sacrament in which it's it's a salvific path where you are
08:27:39.380learning to die to your own will and submit your own will to another person and put put other
08:27:44.460people before you because if you can learn to do that then you can submit fully to god and to christ
08:27:49.200and and be saved through humility and repentance so uh the biggest problem with feminism that we
08:27:55.240never talk about is that it tells women you're perfect the way you are you are a goddess you
08:27:59.780don't ever need to change everyone else needs to change and there's no reason to be humble and
08:28:04.280there's no reason to repent and therefore it puts a giant roadblock between you and salvation very
08:28:09.800healthy and it's okay to change for someone you love it's really not that bad to just say hey
08:28:15.720this person loves every single thing about me and I could make their lives a little more enjoyable
08:28:20.360if I worked on this one thing, it's not misogynistic for a man to be honest and say,
08:28:25.240hey, I love you so much that I want to express to you that it would make me more likely to hold on
08:28:29.860to you if we could work on this one thing. And that is not mean. They've programmed this knee
08:28:35.700jerk reaction into women that we're supposed to, anytime a man has a preference, a request,
08:28:41.580a boundary, that what we are supposed to, our knee jerk reaction should be to rebel against it.
08:28:47.080and that's why even well-meaning ladies like grace probably do that a lot without realizing it you
08:28:54.220know it's just a pattern that's ingrained and it's in the back of everyone's head and you
08:28:58.180as a modern woman you have to deprogram it it takes effort you have to be like this young lady
08:29:03.460here paying attention thinking it through catching yourself where you're doing it and resisting that
08:29:08.920because it's been built into you since you were a toddler watching superwoman and all the all the
08:29:14.500kid cartoons and all the pop stars you grew up idolizing who told you men ain't shit uh don't
08:29:20.560ever listen to them uh they're only out to oppress you and you have to prove at every turn that you
08:29:25.420don't need them and you don't even want them and you don't need a man in your life
08:29:28.700reject feminism embrace patriarchy exactly uh with your patriarchy is good for women we're the
08:29:38.660primary benefactors of patriarchy we get the most benefits very good for women uh okay
08:29:44.420you're filipino full filipino half half romanian half filipino sorry half what romanian it's europe
08:29:51.400european are you attracted to asian men no i mean like have you dated a asian guy i haven't are you
08:29:59.400you have not i have not dated an asian man like a wasian guy because you're wasian i guess yeah no
08:30:05.980not attracted to them and not that i'm not i just haven't dated one i don't know can i ask you a
08:30:10.400question. So you're half Asian. Would you rather date a black man or an Asian man?
08:30:17.180What the fuck is that question? I would date the man that treats me the best and it had
08:30:24.020nothing to do with race. That sounds wild to me. Well, I think it's okay to have racial
08:30:27.220preferences when it comes to dating. Oh, well, I guess I don't have a racial preference. I've had
08:30:33.340black men. I've had white men. I've had Mexican men. No Asian men though. But I haven't had the
08:30:40.180opportunity to have um a relationship with an asian man has a lot of it on you i love when brian
08:30:47.220goes it's my favorite little observation i don't think an asian man has hit on me like i'll be
08:30:55.340honest maybe they don't like me they don't maybe i'm the issue i guess i'll reframe the question
08:31:00.300like this you have dated black men yeah but you have not dated asian men right yeah but not because
08:31:08.260you wouldn't yeah that has like it's literally just because of the history but yeah it's like
08:31:12.840the girls who say i would date a five-foot-five guy came up to me if you came up to me and like
08:31:17.520did the same riz as like my boyfriend currently did right i would i would i would date him
08:31:23.480nathan's asian oh really my producer he does not look at him he's i mean is nathan a good guy
08:31:31.860he's asian irish no oh then no if it's irish i'm so kidding