Whatever Podcast - RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick？!

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00:03:25.700 With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please

00:03:29.460 tell us your name, age, location, and occupation. Go ahead. Hi, my name is Kylie Hanson. I'm 21.

00:03:35.180 I'm from Denver, Colorado, and I currently work as a nanny, and I am a student at UC Santa Barbara.

00:03:41.600 What are you studying? I'm studying political science and professional writing.

00:03:46.440 Is one of the major, one of the minor, or is that the double major? Yes, majoring in political

00:03:50.580 science, minor, and professional writing. All right, cool. What about you? Hello, everybody. I'm Amy.

00:03:56.800 I am 34 from Los Angeles, and I am a podcast host of the Amy Is Show and a 16-year military veteran.

00:04:03.220 What branch of the military? Army. Okay. Rock and roll, rock and roll.

00:04:10.900 Audio. Audio.

00:04:13.700 My sprinkler goes like this. Toby McGuire got bit by a spider. Me must have been bit by a goat.

00:04:21.160 Great to see you, Andrew.

00:04:24.000 Okay, thank you very much. Andrew's, he's a little bit behind. He's having some power

00:04:27.840 issues, but we are going to have him calling in here momentarily. Thank you, Intel Wild.

00:04:33.060 Appreciate it. What was your rank in the military? Staff sergeant. Staff sergeant. Okay, cool.

00:04:39.900 What about you? My name is Chase Carson. I am 27, almost 28 next week, and I am from California,

00:04:49.620 but I moved around all over, and I work at Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital in the nutrition department.

00:04:56.340 Are you a nutritionist? Barista, retail, like, I make the coffee drinks for the doctors and stuff like that.

00:05:07.660 All right, welcome. Hi, I'm Daria. I'm from, I was born in Iran, came, grew up in Los Angeles

00:05:15.900 for the most part, since I was eight, and I'm currently just pursuing my tattooing business

00:05:24.580 and working on my art shows and little short films and animations like that.

00:05:31.940 Sorry, age?

00:05:33.660 I just turned 30.

00:05:35.600 30, okay.

00:05:36.320 My name is Jess. I'm 30. I'm from Bay Area, California. I'm a bartender, and I'm actually

00:05:43.080 enlisting in the military.

00:05:44.680 Oh my gosh, that's so cool.

00:05:45.740 Yeah, I leave in January.

00:05:46.800 Sorry, age?

00:05:47.780 30.

00:05:48.620 30. What branch?

00:05:49.820 What branch?

00:05:50.440 I'm going into the Marines.

00:05:52.900 Good for you.

00:05:53.720 Thank you.

00:05:54.860 Do they have age limits for...

00:05:56.420 Yeah, 33.

00:05:57.580 33, okay. All right, why, just curious, why, I guess, what was the motivation?

00:06:03.180 Um, I come from a pretty hard background. I don't have much education, and trying to better

00:06:10.120 myself in life, obviously being a bartender at 30 years old is pretty embarrassing, so

00:06:13.700 I should probably do something with myself. And while working and supporting myself as

00:06:19.440 one single human being, then that's the easiest way to get it done and not lose out on the lifestyle

00:06:28.120 that I live, I guess.

00:06:29.600 I said, I just Googled some things, because some people in the chat were saying, the age

00:06:36.780 limit to enlist in the United States Marine Corps is 17 to 28.

00:06:40.520 That's a lie.

00:06:41.060 No, they haven't.

00:06:41.660 No, yes, it's not accurate.

00:06:42.620 I was a recruiter for the military for a really long time, like almost six years, and they do

00:06:49.620 have periods of time where they'll increase the age limit, but then also, depending on

00:06:53.560 wartime right now, the military is having a really hard time with recruiting, so they opened

00:06:56.480 it up. But also, they have waivers available as well, depending on what they're needing.

00:07:00.340 I didn't sign any waivers, and I was fully welcomed, and they, yeah, I'm good.

00:07:07.960 Cool. What about you?

00:07:08.820 I am Morgan. I am, as of last week, 29. Also, East Bay. I am a, officially, as of a couple

00:07:23.100 weeks ago, licensed lash technician. And I don't know if I missed anything else. Age, where

00:07:34.480 I'm from? Job? Yeah, I think you got everything. Yep. Hannah, 26, from the DMV, and I work

00:07:41.620 in web design. All right. Where are you from? DMV. The DMV. Maryland. Oh, Maryland. Okay.

00:07:50.340 Who would know what the DMV is? I thought you worked. Like DC, Maryland, Virginia. She lives

00:07:57.100 inside the DMV. I'm like, what does that mean? I was thinking the same thing. Did you say

00:08:01.380 what you do for work? Web design. Oh, web design. Okay. Mason, what about you? Yeah, my name

00:08:06.760 is Mason Gregoire. First and foremost, I'm primarily a Christ follower. My job is mechanical

00:08:13.420 engineer, but I'm pivoting towards the Air Force. I want to go into Air Force Special Warfare,

00:08:21.760 so I'm training up for that right now. That's awesome. Congratulations. Oh, yeah, 28. Congratulations.

00:08:28.240 All right. Thank you. And we have Andrew calling in here in any moment, guys, so he will introduce

00:08:35.080 himself momentarily. Going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship

00:08:40.220 status? So, are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, friends

00:08:47.100 with benefits? Did I say that? Relationship. Married, married. There's so many different

00:08:52.340 things today. Polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be. If you're single, how long

00:08:58.300 have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in, starting

00:09:01.840 with you? Go ahead. Talking stage. Talking stage. All right. How long have you been in

00:09:06.140 that? About a month. One month. Okay. Longest relationship? Longest relationship, I would

00:09:11.580 say it would have to be about a year. One year. Okay. Now, what does it mean for you

00:09:18.040 to be in a talking stage? What does that look like? I think a talking stage is when you're

00:09:22.740 still trying to establish if you're getting to know, like, you're still trying to get

00:09:26.140 to know the person. Don't want to rush into things, but you're showing interest in them,

00:09:31.460 but it's not clear if you fully like them yet. Still trying to get to know them and decide

00:09:35.460 if you'd like to become official. Okay. How did you guys meet? We actually met in person

00:09:40.640 through a mutual friend. Are you in a sorority or anything like that? No, I'm not. Okay.

00:09:47.000 So, was it like a blind date? Like, was it an intro, or you just met at a friends gathering

00:09:52.740 party? No. My friend invited me out for dinner, and she also said that her friend would be there

00:09:57.060 as well. It was a group thing, and she was like, oh, I think you might be interested in

00:10:00.500 him, and then we ended up hitting it off, and we've been talking since. Okay. All right.

00:10:06.840 And so, are you guys seeing other people at all? Is he seeing other people? Are you seeing

00:10:12.880 other people? Other people in the picture? I feel like that's not my business in the

00:10:16.360 talking stage. Until we're official, that's not up to me. Well, what about on your end?

00:10:22.840 On my end? No, but that's also because I'm really busy, and I just don't have the time to

00:10:26.620 right now. But if he wants to see other people right now, that's fine. It's his business.

00:10:30.640 But until we become, if we were to become official, then it would become my business.

00:10:35.420 It wouldn't bother you, for example, if you found out he was in sexual relationships with

00:10:40.900 three sorority girls? No. It wouldn't bother you? It wouldn't deter you? I'm not a jealous person,

00:10:46.580 and I think it's long. Come on. So, you hang out with him? You just move on. Yeah, I mean.

00:10:51.440 Oh, wait. So, you cut off the relationship? No, no. It wouldn't bother me. It wouldn't. I

00:10:56.400 feel like it depends on the situation. I think you're giving, like, a very vague point. I think

00:11:02.640 that I would have to sit down and talk with him and see what, get a gauge on the situation. But at

00:11:06.580 the end of the day, if he wants to do that, that's his own business. He's an individual person. I'm not

00:11:10.400 going to police him, put limits on it. So, you'd continue seeing him? Well, it would depend on the

00:11:14.560 situation. It's subjective. He's having sexual intercourse with three sorority girls. Not

00:11:19.060 orgy, but, like, one's on Monday, one's on Wednesday, one's on Friday. But, like, sleeping

00:11:26.360 with multiple people at the same time is okay with you? I think it would depend more on the

00:11:31.300 situation. I think I'd have to sit down and talk with him. I told you the situation. I told you the

00:11:33.860 situation. Yeah, you told me the situation, but you told me in, like, a 10-second convo. I think that

00:11:39.020 there's a lot more. Like, not everything is black and white. I would have to probably sit down and talk

00:11:43.040 with him. I would probably end things, but I'm definitely someone who likes to hear someone's full

00:11:49.040 perspective before doing so. Yeah, I mean, yeah. So, you would, when you say you would probably

00:11:54.660 end things, it would bother you to some degree? Well, I think what you're describing is, like,

00:12:01.200 a one-sentence kind of situation, and I think it's a lot more complex than that. I don't think so,

00:12:05.980 because I'm in the same, sorry to interrupt you, but. No, it's okay. I'm in the same situation as you are,

00:12:10.700 and as somebody, as yourself, that's not sleeping with multiple people or dating multiple people

00:12:17.320 and finding out the person that you're sleeping with and the climate that we are in as far as

00:12:21.980 women and diseases and just things in that general

00:12:26.240 area, that if you found out he was sleeping with three, four, five other people,

00:12:33.600 you would be okay with that? Because absolutely not. Because I don't, I couldn't say I'm okay with

00:12:39.580 that because I get it, do what you want, but for my own safety, for my own, like, reassurance,

00:12:46.280 for my own mental health. Because while you're talking to someone, you're getting to know them.

00:12:51.600 How can you get to know me when you're getting to know four or five other people at the same time?

00:12:55.700 Yeah. Because you're not going to know me because you have this woman telling you this and that one

00:12:59.280 and this one and that one. That doesn't make sense to me. I agree with your point. I definitely think

00:13:04.140 that that's totally valid. I didn't disclose the nature of our sexual relations. I agree that it's

00:13:10.900 important to practice safe sex and everything like that. No, for sure. That's not what I mean,

00:13:14.400 but I'm just saying, like, communication is key in that aspect. And two, while sleeping with

00:13:19.800 someone, obviously, that is very much, that is a very close thing, that it's a very intimate thing.

00:13:25.520 No, I agree. So that is very hard. Then they have four or five other girls and you're just sitting

00:13:31.440 there like, man, I hope he chooses me. Nope. I also think there have to be certain issues where

00:13:37.160 you draw a line where you say, if you're having sex with other people, it's not going to happen.

00:13:44.760 Like, there are certain things that you have to have a hard line. It doesn't matter what the

00:13:47.800 reason is. Because, I mean, say he says, oh, hey, I'm sleeping with three other chicks,

00:13:52.660 but I have a really good reason for why I have to. That doesn't exist. That's the dumbest thing I've

00:13:58.480 ever heard in my life. So, I mean, like, he could speak on all of these things, but at the end of the

00:14:03.620 day, it's absolute garbage. And you kind of have to, I don't sound stupid and cheesy for saying

00:14:10.100 this. You have to respect yourself and be like, and you also have to respect that there are,

00:14:14.940 there are things in a relationship you just don't do. And there are signs and markers and

00:14:19.140 other people that just show that they have low standards and they don't really know what they're

00:14:24.460 looking for. And they have practice terrible relationship, whatever strategies. You just kind

00:14:31.200 have to realize those. And it just seems like, uh, you're trying to be charitable and kind and be

00:14:37.180 like, hey, maybe he has a good reason, but there's certain things where you can just be like, no,

00:14:41.820 that's just not true.

00:14:42.640 But that's not real because I guess that's like a social norm now, but that is not really a social

00:14:47.980 norm because then you're in this relationship with this one person and you can sleep with five,

00:14:52.760 six, seven people. And then all of a sudden you're going to get married and you can never sleep with

00:14:55.380 anybody else again. So this talking stage, you might as well just talk to this person and be like,

00:14:59.900 Hey, you know what? I'm not seeing anybody. And if you're not seeing anybody, let's go and try

00:15:03.840 and figure this out. But I'm not trying to be with somebody or me be with a million other people

00:15:09.040 at the same time. Like you're never going to get to know somebody while you have five, six, seven,

00:15:13.940 or maybe even two people, three people, you're never going to get to know them the way you want

00:15:18.120 to get to know them while having multiple people there. I do have to move things on here a little

00:15:22.360 bit. Um, first off, also, I forgot to mention this. We're testing out a new, uh, audio mixer. So there

00:15:28.640 might be some differences in the audio. I'm looking in the chat, Nick, have you been monitoring

00:15:32.880 the chat? Is there a, how's the audio guys? It might be a little quiet. It could potentially

00:15:40.040 be a little quieter than usual. Does it sound okay? A couple of people are reporting, uh,

00:15:45.100 some potential audio issues. So does it sound okay? Uh, is it too low? TTS is echoey. Not

00:16:00.880 sure entirely what that means, but she was going. Okay. Um, and also we have Andrew here. So while we

00:16:11.860 have Andrew, uh, go ahead and introduce yourself, please. Yeah. My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the

00:16:20.980 host of the crucible. It's the fastest growing debate channel, uh, on YouTube to my knowledge.

00:16:26.100 I am a political analyst, political satirist, and, uh, I like to do debates every once in

00:16:32.240 a while. So, um, glad to, uh, to be invited here to whatever. I think I've already tangled

00:16:37.420 up with one of you, uh, over on access Vegas. So. What's up, Andrew? It's nice to see you

00:16:44.120 again. Should be, should be a funny evening. We parted as friends. We parted as friends.

00:16:49.500 Are you sure? Yes. Round two. Round two. Damn, are we picking our? No, no, no. To be honest,

00:16:58.320 to be honest, Andrew and I are actually on the same page on most things. Choose your

00:17:02.280 player. We really are. There's just a few topics we disagree on, but it's healthy banter, but

00:17:07.540 we truly are on the same page on those things. No, I love that. Love that. Yeah. I love to

00:17:12.960 say as, as, uh, before we get back into it, as controversial as people find Andrew, I definitely

00:17:21.580 respect the, the genuine criticism and, uh, what is the word? Maybe that might be better.

00:17:34.280 Well, no, cause I, I know that he's not listening right now. I'm just saying between me and him.

00:17:38.780 Speaking the mic to the audience. Um, true, true. Um, definitely appreciate the, I'm sorry,

00:17:48.520 I got moved on. Um, relationship status, please. I am. I appreciate the, as well.

00:17:57.500 I'm single. I am not dating anybody. Longest relationship? Four years. How long have you

00:18:03.780 been single? I've been single for about three years now. All right. Single for three years.

00:18:09.820 Okay. What about you? I've been single. I'm single. I have been single for eight, seven years.

00:18:20.520 I've been single for about eight, seven years and longest I had was two, three, four months,

00:18:28.980 about four months. Wait, the longest relationship was four months, four months, but that was like

00:18:36.900 back when I was like, and you're 28 right now. Yeah. So the last time you had like a three to

00:18:42.760 four month or any sort of relationship when I was 21 was okay. All right. Um, so the four month,

00:18:53.320 three to four month one, did you consider that a boyfriend, girlfriend or not? They did. It was

00:18:58.100 like a weird toxic relationship. Um, so it was kind of a relationship and then it just ended up,

00:19:07.560 they left, they ended up ghosting me without actually breaking up with me. And, uh, you're

00:19:13.300 bisexual, correct? Yes. Okay. Was it of the people you've, uh, dated predominantly men, women mix of

00:19:20.340 both? More men. But as I progressed into just being me, I ended up having female partners later

00:19:28.120 on as sexual encounters. But you've never like had a longer term thing with any women, just casual,

00:19:34.940 just casual. So recently have you had casual encounters? Yes. Okay. All right. And so, um,

00:19:44.420 is this just something like you're not desirous of a long-term relationship? They never, uh,

00:19:49.900 I don't try to search for them so much anymore. They always just find me. Whatever happens,

00:19:55.680 happens, honestly. Okay. So you have no desire? Like, do you want to get married, have kids,

00:20:01.660 anything like that? I do, but the kid per se for me is not good for my mental health. I'm still

00:20:06.960 trying to figure out what I want and who I want. But right now just encounters are to me more freeing

00:20:14.640 and not structured. Not permanent. When you say, when you say encounters are more freeing,

00:20:19.800 what, what would an encounter look like? More sexual encounters, um, are more freeing than other,

00:20:27.820 like, just go out for coffee. I'm like, no, I'm like, I'm more casual. Um, how do you typically

00:20:36.260 encounter these encounters? A lot of dating apps, mostly club dating apps or clubs going out bars,

00:20:48.020 clubs? Yes. Okay. You have to be careful on who you look for. How would you like how frequently

00:20:53.900 would you say you have these encounters? I was on a hiatus at the moment due to taking care of my

00:21:00.100 mental status. So I actually haven't, it's been like a month or two since I last had in an, uh,

00:21:09.260 encounter. A month or two. Yes. All right. Have you ever just gone on a tear? What do you mean a tear?

00:21:20.900 Like, like binging? Yeah. And like, I do, but I do. I used to have a whole bunch of like people like

00:21:29.780 on my snap, but after you can only help them for, they can only help you with one thing,

00:21:36.920 but when you really need them, when you're like bawling your eyes out, you need help.

00:21:43.020 I think it's a mistake. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Let her speak. Go ahead.

00:21:47.980 Because you can't figure out if you can trust them. Like I needed a place to stay before I moved to my

00:21:54.360 new place. And I'm all like, okay, you always call me up at three, two in the morning for a

00:21:59.820 booty call. But when I asked to just spend the night and then I'll leave the next morning just

00:22:06.100 to rest my head, you can't help me in that. Wait. So you're saying you're calling people who

00:22:11.260 you've had casual sexual encounters with and you're crying and you don't have any relation,

00:22:17.020 like any actual deeper connection or relationship with them. And the expectation there is that they

00:22:21.600 be your shoulder to cry on more. I needed a place to sleep, but I also, are you, are you homeless?

00:22:28.200 I was, there's a, I was. Okay. Just for a day before I can move into my new place.

00:22:36.500 Always be careful on where you rent rooms from. Um, but that's pretty much, um, all I have to say.

00:22:49.440 I forgot on what topic we were talking about.

00:22:55.680 You said, you said that there were a couple of people that you would have on your Snapchat.

00:22:59.700 So would you have a roster?

00:23:02.480 Yes, I have a roster from, I was more of a nerdy girl back in high school where nobody asked me out

00:23:10.460 to where I kind of blossomed when I got old in my twenties and I started like, Hey guys have lists

00:23:21.000 with us, like all the names on who they slept with. Let me count how many and see how high I can get to

00:23:28.060 is what I thought. Weird goal, but

00:23:31.600 So what's the roster currently looking like?

00:23:36.340 I'm trying to make it grow. Um, right now it's only like 20, 21 right now, but most of them are repeat people.

00:23:47.200 Wait, 20 to 21?

00:23:49.300 Yes.

00:23:49.600 At least she knows about it.

00:23:50.760 So wait, hold on.

00:23:51.680 I don't know if she knows what you're meaning.

00:23:53.600 Okay, a roster is how many people you're fucking at one time. Sorry.

00:23:56.560 Or talking to, talking to at one time. I thought you meant the, I thought you meant the screwing list. Like how many

00:24:02.400 people you fucked. Okay. I have a roster of that. How many people are you talking to all at once?

00:24:08.400 It used to be four to five.

00:24:11.200 At, in a month?

00:24:13.040 At a time, she's saying. At a time, yes.

00:24:16.380 Okay.

00:24:17.180 Cause you know, when you're high on Tinder, you swipe right.

00:24:20.980 No, I've never had a dating app.

00:24:22.460 When you're what on Tinder?

00:24:24.280 High on Tinder is what she said.

00:24:25.660 High on Tinder, just swiping right. You're like, okay, there's nothing going on right

00:24:31.780 now. Let me just see what happens.

00:24:33.840 Well, I've never had a dating app in my entire life. And that's just like me. Maybe as like

00:24:41.480 a human, I understand that's like super in our culture. And like, obviously in our age

00:24:45.300 group, I genuinely, from my bottom of my heart, don't believe in it. Um, but five to six,

00:24:55.600 that's like, and I get like all these dudes and you were like, Oh, I want to be like that. Why do you want to be like a man? That's crazy. Like, no, that's so bad. Don't do that. Shut up.

00:25:06.580 I want to shut up.

00:25:07.320 You got to experiment to know what is right and wrong for you. Eventually some people have to learn in one way.

00:25:13.480 But I will never understand what you want by sleeping with multiple men. You will never know what you want. I promise you. It's not everyone. I promise you as a human being, you will never become connected to one person.

00:25:27.200 Of course not. But you don't learn that until you will not drink.

00:25:30.380 Well, it's not like that bullshit saying you got to, you got to destroy the crowd before you buy it.

00:25:34.800 Yeah. So, okay. Um, you said, but you mentioned something about 20, 21, uh, 21.

00:25:40.800 Hold on. Please like refrain from judgment. I'm not. Okay. Go ahead.

00:25:44.900 21 is about the, the people I have slept with. Oh, the total amount of people.

00:25:52.020 The total amount. I have the ages. I have the name. Okay. Throughout your whole life. That's what you meant by 21.

00:25:58.680 Yes. That's what I meant. But like at one given time, you said four to five, four to five.

00:26:04.500 I four to five. It was four to five because half of them don't message back. I'm like, you know, I don't care.

00:26:11.500 It's like on and off. More on and off. All right, chat. Can we, uh, Nick, pull up chat for me, please.

00:26:19.120 All right, chat. We're getting a lot of reports of there being audio issues. So, uh, I'm hearing that my microphone is too low.

00:26:27.060 There's a ton of fucking issues with the audio. Not me being overweight to be in the Marines.

00:26:32.380 Can you chat? Can you let us know? Don't even read them.

00:26:35.820 I'm sorry. I told her before we came out. I was like, dude, they're in talk so much shit.

00:26:39.180 I'm sorry. I'm not that overweight. I'm 5'10".

00:26:43.340 No, I don't. I don't.

00:26:45.180 We can't hear Andrew.

00:26:46.680 I gotta adjust this. You guys can't hear me?

00:26:50.000 I think it might be your guys' Wi-Fi.

00:26:51.240 Hold on. We can hear you. The audio is just super low.

00:26:54.980 Well, they can't hear me because I haven't said anything.

00:26:57.320 But I've been watching the stream.

00:26:59.540 Too low.

00:27:01.200 There's nothing wrong with the audio. It just sounds different.

00:27:04.240 Um, so when you move your head back, it sounds a little bit echoey because the mic next to you is catching up this, or is catching the sound.

00:27:14.180 Okay. Um, I don't know. Fucking.

00:27:18.980 We're getting, we're getting, we're getting, I'm getting a bunch of mixed, there are people are seeing echo.

00:27:31.040 Yeah. Yeah. So if you move your head back from the mic and you're talking loudly, you can hear the audio going through the mic next to you.

00:27:39.180 Hold on. It's, yeah.

00:27:41.980 Nick, that, that tab we looked at before scoot it over, please.

00:27:46.600 Remember the, where the, the audio bars. Let me see the audio bars. Scoot it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:27:54.360 All right. Here, just go around on, on relationship status while I get this fixed.

00:27:58.500 Yeah.

00:27:59.720 It's your turn.

00:28:00.760 Hi.

00:28:01.480 Hey.

00:28:02.480 Relationship status.

00:28:03.980 Dating status, right?

00:28:05.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:05.480 Okay. Uh, relatively recently broken up. Um, but also like talking to somebody. Okay. So when you say talking stage, so when you say recently broken up, what are we talking about? Like a day ago, two weeks ago. Okay. Two months ago. Yeah. Yeah. About. Something like that.

00:28:29.660 And how recently did you start talking to this new guy? Uh, it's not a guy, but I've also, yeah. Um, I've known him for a while. Like it was one of my, uh, friend's roommates. So we just, after that whole thing was over, we, so wait, so did you kind of like have him on the back burner just in case?

00:28:53.020 No, not at all. She had her own thing going on and, and I don't know. We just like started hanging out a little bit more since I had more time. Obviously. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. And I was living with the guy. So like I came back and was with friends more.

00:29:10.820 Wait, so was your previous, previous relationship a guy?

00:29:14.600 Yep.

00:29:15.380 Okay. New relationship's a girl.

00:29:17.100 Yeah.

00:29:17.560 Okay.

00:29:17.800 How long is your longest relationship?

00:29:20.180 Four and a half years.

00:29:21.860 Gotcha.

00:29:23.180 I was engaged.

00:29:24.180 How recently was that?

00:29:25.680 That, uh, we separated in 2020.

00:29:30.620 Okay.

00:29:31.220 And I was single until about late 2023, early this year.

00:29:36.460 Okay. Gotcha.

00:29:38.920 Um, I'm talking to someone. That's why I like, I was trying to have that conversation with her.

00:29:43.400 Um, my longest relationship is eight and a half years.

00:29:47.600 Um, and I was single for almost five years.

00:29:51.860 So that eight and a half year relationship, were you married, just dating?

00:29:56.420 Um, we were, uh, we dated.

00:30:03.960 Okay.

00:30:04.560 I, yeah, I'll keep it at that.

00:30:06.600 Um, he has passed away since then.

00:30:10.140 Oh, okay.

00:30:10.240 Um, so he died in 2019 and I had a very hard time moving on with my life.

00:30:21.480 Gotcha.

00:30:21.940 So, um, so just recently I have sought a lot of therapy.

00:30:26.360 I'm not going to lie.

00:30:27.100 No, it's fair.

00:30:27.520 It's fair.

00:30:27.880 And I don't have like any, like, and like, I don't have, I don't care to talk about it.

00:30:33.320 So, so I have sought a lot of therapy and I will say that it took me a very long time

00:30:37.960 to understand that part of my life and move on from that.

00:30:42.280 Okay.

00:30:42.880 Oh yeah.

00:30:43.200 So now I literally just started talking to someone and I was like, Hey, gotcha.

00:30:47.700 Well, it's, it's cool that you're finally at a place where you can.

00:30:50.400 Yeah.

00:30:50.560 And I mean, I've met people obviously within those five years, but it was never anything

00:30:54.900 serious and it was never anything worth while.

00:30:57.780 Uh, no, we didn't hear a TTS.

00:31:01.380 You didn't hear the TTS at all?

00:31:04.360 No.

00:31:04.700 There's been no TTS.

00:31:05.900 No, nothing has come through.

00:31:10.200 So.

00:31:11.160 Okay.

00:31:12.320 Yeah.

00:31:12.880 That's just.

00:31:13.660 So.

00:31:14.220 Yeah.

00:31:14.800 Yeah.

00:31:15.160 Started something pretty recently.

00:31:17.060 Yeah.

00:31:17.620 You know, and like, I mean, I have obviously dated, you can't go five years.

00:31:21.660 I am 30 years old.

00:31:23.420 I'm, you know, but it was never, I knew that what I was doing was never going to last because

00:31:30.640 I was just in this very manic, sad episode that I needed to figure out on my own.

00:31:36.900 So you're looking to get married or.

00:31:39.460 Oh yeah.

00:31:39.820 A thousand percent.

00:31:40.700 You know, my boyfriend at the time had kids.

00:31:44.120 So when we were dating, we never talked about having more kids because he had enough kids.

00:31:49.800 I was like, I'm going to have any more kids.

00:31:51.100 Okay.

00:31:51.360 But now I'm like, sure.

00:31:53.360 Kids.

00:31:54.020 Uh, hey, Andrew, could you speak?

00:31:57.460 Testing.

00:31:58.020 Testing.

00:31:58.420 One, two, three.

00:32:00.640 How's that, Nick?

00:32:01.720 I can hear him loud and clear.

00:32:02.960 Yeah, we can hear him.

00:32:04.000 A little more.

00:32:04.460 A little more.

00:32:05.600 Tell me you hate me.

00:32:06.460 Testing.

00:32:07.100 Testing.

00:32:07.600 One, two, three.

00:32:08.340 This is a test of the emergency whatever broadcast system.

00:32:12.860 If you're hearing it right now, that means that there are audio issues which are going

00:32:16.100 on.

00:32:16.720 Women are going to save you in the studio.

00:32:18.340 Andrew's going to be the new.

00:32:18.860 They have been triggered by AlphaChad Virgin Mason.

00:32:22.240 Yes, yes.

00:32:22.740 What's going on at the moment?

00:32:24.640 You can see that they're very flustered.

00:32:26.060 They're even having side conversations, even though I know for sure that they were told

00:32:29.480 before the show not to do that.

00:32:30.720 I promise that they were, but still, they do it.

00:32:33.220 Mike, somebody.

00:32:33.920 It was just too weird.

00:32:34.820 It's girls gone wild in the whatever studio.

00:32:36.700 They can't help themselves.

00:32:38.020 He's talking about us right now.

00:32:40.220 What's up?

00:32:41.880 Is that good, Nick?

00:32:43.660 Yeah, I think that's good.

00:32:45.180 Okay.

00:32:45.600 I think we're good.

00:32:46.540 Yes, thank you, too.

00:32:47.440 And also, I'm not too fat for the military.

00:32:51.000 I'm 5'10".

00:32:52.060 What?

00:32:52.280 I didn't say anything.

00:32:53.460 But somebody did.

00:32:54.500 I read it.

00:32:55.440 She's taking the chat to her.

00:32:56.760 Don't look at that, Jess.

00:32:57.680 I'm not too fat.

00:32:59.380 I'm 5'10".

00:32:59.960 I'm 5'10".

00:33:01.460 Okay, okay, okay.

00:33:02.220 Hold up, hold up.

00:33:03.560 To be honest, chat, if she was too overweight, they'll make sure.

00:33:07.460 They wouldn't take her.

00:33:08.680 Well, actually, that's not actually true anymore.

00:33:11.420 No, they will take you.

00:33:12.520 They don't care.

00:33:12.920 They actually have lowered their BMI standards.

00:33:17.960 So they'll actually put her in a program if she is too overweight,

00:33:21.480 where they'll get her to the standards, and then she'll go in.

00:33:25.120 Okay.

00:33:25.580 Not that it matters to any of you, but I'm not.

00:33:28.520 Anyway, anyway.

00:33:29.160 I'm 10 and I weigh 170 pounds.

00:33:30.640 I'm just fine.

00:33:31.500 Thank you.

00:33:31.700 We've kind of gone off the rails a little bit.

00:33:33.380 Let's continue going.

00:33:34.840 Dating?

00:33:35.420 Yeah.

00:33:35.820 So relationship status?

00:33:38.020 I am single.

00:33:39.360 Okay.

00:33:39.860 I have been single, traditionally single, I guess you could say,

00:33:45.240 for the past two and a half years.

00:33:48.380 Um, and my longest relationship was without being on and off, I'd say two years.

00:34:02.620 Um, and yeah.

00:34:05.860 Yeah.

00:34:06.600 Okay.

00:34:08.580 Uh, single.

00:34:09.820 I've been single for about a year and a half and longest relationship a little over two years.

00:34:14.640 Gotcha.

00:34:15.260 Gotcha.

00:34:15.820 Your turn.

00:34:16.360 Uh, my turn.

00:34:17.480 Uh, I'm sad Brian's not here for this.

00:34:20.440 Um, so, uh, I guess in the eyes of God and the government, I'm single, but, um, uh, I am,

00:34:28.660 I've gone on a couple of dates with a girl.

00:34:30.620 I'm not going to give any more information, but, um, yeah.

00:34:34.800 So like talking stage, what stage are we at?

00:34:37.100 I'm not really like, uh, I don't really believe in like the talking stage.

00:34:41.380 Yeah.

00:34:41.900 Yeah.

00:34:42.180 We're talking, but like we've gone on a couple of dates.

00:34:44.300 I'm not talking to anybody else.

00:34:45.640 I don't think she's talking to anybody else.

00:34:47.860 Um, we're both pretty, uh, pretty busy people.

00:34:51.500 I think that's such a great question to ask, like on a first date, like a first or second date,

00:34:54.780 like what is your version of talking stage?

00:34:56.840 Are you seeing other people?

00:34:57.740 We definitely touched on that.

00:34:59.540 She's not totally a fan of the terminology talking stage.

00:35:02.920 I think she's really serious.

00:35:05.020 Well, if you're not either, that's probably a good thing.

00:35:06.520 Exactly.

00:35:07.020 We're kind of both really open about, Hey, this is what I'm looking for.

00:35:11.380 I'm looking for marriage, not looking for a casual thing.

00:35:15.180 Yeah.

00:35:16.240 And you said you're a man of God.

00:35:18.040 So is she Christian too?

00:35:19.280 Yeah.

00:35:19.620 Yes, she is.

00:35:20.340 Congratulations.

00:35:21.160 She has to be.

00:35:22.220 If she's not, then, uh, I don't entertain it.

00:35:24.680 That makes sense.

00:35:25.400 Yeah.

00:35:26.540 Is that hard to find?

00:35:28.640 Um, well, it's okay.

00:35:29.980 Uh, I've just like, honestly, like nowadays, like it's not hard to find.

00:35:34.720 Uh, it's not hard to find, uh, girls that say they're Christian, but ones who actually

00:35:40.940 walk their life, well, ones who are walking that narrow path, very, very few, um, many

00:35:47.880 walk the broad path and call themselves Christians, but very few that I've met actually walk that

00:35:54.440 narrow path and follow what Jesus commands.

00:35:57.720 Um, and I, I ask, I do the same thing.

00:36:00.820 I try my hardest to follow what Christ commands of me and, uh, I ask, they do the same.

00:36:05.920 I take it seriously.

00:36:06.800 You got to go to the microphone.

00:36:08.360 Sorry.

00:36:08.840 So that being said, you're, you said 28.

00:36:16.040 Yes.

00:36:16.640 Okay.

00:36:16.920 So you're 28.

00:36:17.800 So you're going to be trying to meet another 28 year old or younger.

00:36:23.040 I'm not saying, but or younger, but in this generation, in this day and age, you're going

00:36:27.780 to try and meet another 28 or younger that's never had sex or never, um, not necessarily.

00:36:34.740 Uh, Brian, that's okay with you.

00:36:36.400 Brian gets really mad when I lower this standard.

00:36:38.860 Is that okay with you though?

00:36:40.360 Like, is that, I think it's his preference.

00:36:42.740 Do you want her to have sex or do you not?

00:36:45.520 I want to know.

00:36:46.520 Sorry.

00:36:46.780 Okay.

00:36:47.580 Uh, yes.

00:36:48.340 Preferably when I get married to her, I would very much like her to have sex, but until that

00:36:53.360 point, well, yeah, cause I want, I want to be intimate with my wife.

00:36:57.100 Well, I mean, obviously you have sex, but I mean like.

00:36:58.900 It was a joke.

00:36:59.520 Yeah.

00:36:59.720 I know what you mean.

00:37:00.380 But beforehand.

00:37:01.720 Well, I mean, so the more sexual partners you have before marriage, the less likely you'll

00:37:06.180 have a successful marriage.

00:37:07.980 So I want somebody that preferably has very few sexual partners.

00:37:13.860 Um, so there's a greater chance of successful marriage, but also it shows me that they take,

00:37:21.600 they take God's command seriously.

00:37:24.460 I agree with you on some of that, but I don't agree with you on some of that because it's

00:37:30.460 okay to be 30 years old.

00:37:33.300 And when you decided to go on a date or you decided to date your first boyfriend at 15

00:37:38.980 or 16 and what you decided to do.

00:37:41.180 And if you had like five or six partners, sure.

00:37:44.400 So yes, I mean, don't have 20 or 30, but if you're over here having.

00:37:48.360 So the statistics or seven by the time you're 30.

00:37:52.540 Well, if, if we look at statistical, um, evidence of, so how many partners does it take

00:37:58.520 for you to have a statistically relevant, uh, chance of having your marriage affected?

00:38:03.480 So it's usually like five.

00:38:05.240 If you have five or more sexual partners, you are 20% less likely to have a successful

00:38:10.380 marriage.

00:38:10.860 I don't believe in that.

00:38:11.420 It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not, but I'm not saying that I understand

00:38:16.440 that.

00:38:16.760 And I'm not saying that, but I'm saying like, and especially with men, it's always okay

00:38:21.460 that men, I love men.

00:38:25.400 So I'm not going to bash on one at a time, one at a time.

00:38:27.660 I don't think he's saying one at a time.

00:38:30.380 So I'm not bashing on men.

00:38:33.280 I'm not saying men, anything, but for right now in the generation that we're living in,

00:38:39.820 the climate we're living in, most men become sexually active very early.

00:38:44.600 So for men having five partners is not a normal thing.

00:38:51.100 They tend to have higher partners.

00:38:53.420 Well, okay.

00:38:54.260 So in my statistical, uh, um, speakings, did I ever distinguish between men and women?

00:39:01.200 No, no, no, no, but I am this.

00:39:02.920 Well, it doesn't matter.

00:39:03.720 Statistics are statistics.

00:39:05.020 What are the, whether you feel like they're happy or sad, like it doesn't matter.

00:39:09.220 They don't care about your feelings.

00:39:10.540 If the statistics show that after five or more sexual partners, you are 20% less likely

00:39:17.160 to have a successful marriage.

00:39:18.540 You're searching for something else.

00:39:19.240 You're correct.

00:39:20.220 Yeah.

00:39:20.360 But then I checked in $69.

00:39:23.420 Young Jamie's going to have a bad night today.

00:39:26.660 Sorry.

00:39:27.180 I meant Nick.

00:39:29.720 What?

00:39:30.520 Okay.

00:39:30.960 Okay.

00:39:31.240 Could I chime in super quick?

00:39:32.740 Who's having a young bad day?

00:39:33.920 One second.

00:39:34.340 Let me, hold on, hold on.

00:39:36.020 We're not done.

00:39:36.660 Hold on.

00:39:37.160 Sorry.

00:39:37.280 They made us talk.

00:39:38.220 One person at a time.

00:39:39.040 I'll bring you in and I'll bring you in.

00:39:40.940 Okay.

00:39:41.160 You're fine.

00:39:41.620 You're fine.

00:39:41.900 Yeah.

00:39:42.660 Um, so it's five or more partners, but then that, that statistical likelihood of a unsuccessful

00:39:48.720 marriage increases the more sexual partners you have.

00:39:51.580 Cause you're continuously searching.

00:39:53.420 For something that's never going to be there.

00:39:55.440 Okay.

00:39:55.660 And as far as dating multiple people at the same time, you're never going to find the

00:39:59.680 one because you always have these people doing different things.

00:40:03.100 You'll never get to know them.

00:40:04.020 You don't know them.

00:40:04.940 Okay.

00:40:06.740 Mine's like really quick.

00:40:08.200 Yeah.

00:40:08.380 Go for it.

00:40:08.700 Um, I mean, I don't know.

00:40:10.520 Like I don't, I've never, I haven't heard of the, about that affecting like, um, long-term

00:40:17.080 relationships, marriages and whatnot.

00:40:18.640 Like, for example, even my, my own folks, they're divorced and neither of them were, you know, promiscuous or had more than a partner.

00:40:29.700 They're divorced.

00:40:30.660 Exactly.

00:40:31.480 You're just arguing against yourself.

00:40:32.720 No, they weren't promiscuous though.

00:40:34.900 And they're, they didn't have multiple sexual partners or anything like that.

00:40:38.860 Well, I'm not saying there are no exceptions to the rule, but if you want to have the greatest bet possible, if I want the most likely success story, when it comes to my marriage, I want to make sure that they have as little sexual partners as possible.

00:40:52.160 I'm also saving myself for marriage.

00:40:53.940 So I don't have all of that emotional relationship baggage so I can possibly have a successful marriage leading into my 80, 90 years of life.

00:41:04.200 So yeah.

00:41:05.060 You don't want a multiple, like.

00:41:07.040 Exactly.

00:41:07.400 Where are we on the relationship status?

00:41:09.300 Uh, we finished.

00:41:10.240 We got everybody.

00:41:11.220 Yeah.

00:41:11.840 Can I just, I, I missed.

00:41:13.320 Can you give me each or a quick recap?

00:41:14.960 Okay.

00:41:15.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:15.680 Quick recap.

00:41:16.260 Me, um, newly single and, um, also in a talking stage.

00:41:22.000 Fresh.

00:41:23.260 With a guy or girl?

00:41:24.640 Uh, girl.

00:41:25.880 Okay.

00:41:26.320 Longest relationship?

00:41:27.080 Ex was a guy.

00:41:27.540 Longest was, um, four and a half years.

00:41:31.060 Four and a half, five, yeah.

00:41:32.440 Okay.

00:41:32.700 How long were you single before your talk, current talking stage?

00:41:35.660 So about four.

00:41:37.400 For what?

00:41:38.440 For about four years.

00:41:39.640 So from 2020 to 2020.

00:41:41.280 All right.

00:41:41.580 What about you?

00:41:42.700 Um, I'm currently in a very new talking stage.

00:41:47.360 Um, my longest relationship is eight years.

00:41:50.740 Were you guys married?

00:41:52.020 No.

00:41:52.680 Kids?

00:41:53.120 Engaged.

00:41:53.500 Um, he had four children, yes.

00:41:57.740 Not her kids.

00:41:59.140 Not my children.

00:42:00.140 He had four children.

00:42:01.580 Yeah, I'm asking you though.

00:42:02.880 Yeah, he had four kids.

00:42:04.100 I have no kids.

00:42:05.580 He's asking you.

00:42:06.320 So, but I still take care of them.

00:42:08.320 So, I technically, yeah.

00:42:10.120 Like, I guess.

00:42:10.880 Are you still taking care of them?

00:42:11.560 No, I'm biological.

00:42:12.480 I mean, no, no.

00:42:13.120 I mean, they all graduated high school.

00:42:14.680 So, but I mean, they're still my kids.

00:42:16.360 Brian, relax for a second.

00:42:19.080 Some people are saying it's back.

00:42:20.420 It looks, it looks fine.

00:42:22.800 What about you?

00:42:24.000 Um, same as last time.

00:42:25.520 You're way too far from the mic.

00:42:26.860 Same as last time.

00:42:27.780 Still seeing.

00:42:28.180 Holy fuck.

00:42:28.560 I'm going to get so tilted tonight.

00:42:30.160 Okay, go ahead.

00:42:31.140 Sorry, Brian.

00:42:32.520 Are you on, are you on something?

00:42:35.000 Me?

00:42:35.240 Valdeff donated $69.

00:42:37.820 We really glossing over her being a marine recruit with a former recruiter on the panel.

00:42:42.900 Do literally one push up.

00:42:44.600 War is not a joke to some of us with several happening right now and more in the works.

00:42:49.140 Just really quickly.

00:42:50.680 I actually have been to Afghanistan, so I'm wondering if you have in the chat there.

00:42:55.940 Okay.

00:42:56.320 I don't think he's talking about you.

00:42:57.700 No, he literally said former recruiter.

00:42:59.900 I'm the former recruiter.

00:43:01.680 So, there's a lot of people in the chats.

00:43:05.420 Okay, he says former recruiter.

00:43:06.420 Also, no, I was just reiterating.

00:43:08.640 Same as last time.

00:43:10.200 Still single.

00:43:12.760 You're not, you didn't drink?

00:43:14.560 I'm not fucking on heroin or anything like that.

00:43:17.740 That's what you're trying to get at because that was brought up last time.

00:43:20.340 No.

00:43:20.560 You didn't drink anything before the show?

00:43:22.020 Well, I mean, at like seven in the morning.

00:43:24.520 Yeah, I did when I flew out here.

00:43:27.620 I drank on the plane.

00:43:28.680 Smoked weed?

00:43:29.680 No.

00:43:33.120 Why?

00:43:33.540 Because of my eye?

00:43:34.740 No, it actually has nothing to do with your eye.

00:43:36.840 You just seem a little not totally together.

00:43:41.380 I seem not totally together?

00:43:44.000 Am I wrong?

00:43:44.720 I don't know.

00:43:49.800 Mason, what do you think?

00:43:51.000 I mean, it's kind of like a little bit all over the place.

00:43:55.120 What if I said that's all over the place?

00:43:57.580 No, no, no, no.

00:43:58.240 It's just kind of like we're asking you to speak in the mic.

00:44:02.740 So, because I didn't speak into the mic?

00:44:04.060 No, no, no.

00:44:04.820 It's like an amalgamation of things.

00:44:07.220 It's like not speaking into the mic.

00:44:08.720 It's kind of getting flustered.

00:44:10.540 It's like your mannerisms are kind of all over the place.

00:44:13.500 I am, yes.

00:44:14.560 Still single.

00:44:15.240 Same as last time.

00:44:16.240 Shout out to Michael, by the way.

00:44:19.880 Blue for you.

00:44:21.340 Well, I just recall you being on.

00:44:22.540 Did I ask you that last time if you were on anything?

00:44:25.200 No, but last time we did get on the topic of how I used to have a drug problem.

00:44:29.480 So, I figured that's why you were probably bringing that up.

00:44:32.300 No, that's not why I brought it up at all, but I do recall your demeanor last time.

00:44:36.060 No, what do you mean my demeanor last time?

00:44:37.940 I was literally silent last time.

00:44:40.340 Yeah, your demeanor last time, you were a bit more lucid, I guess.

00:44:45.380 Okay, I won't talk then.

00:44:46.860 That's not what I'm asking you to do.

00:44:48.860 I'm still single, same as last time.

00:44:54.380 You don't need to repeat yourself.

00:44:55.820 I was just, I'm just curious.

00:44:57.520 If you weren't like a little bit, maybe you had a little weed or maybe you drank a little bit.

00:45:02.740 You seem a little defensive about this.

00:45:04.980 Well, only because I figured you were bringing it up because of the topic that we talked about last time.

00:45:09.300 That's the only reason I got somewhat defensive about it.

00:45:11.820 No, actually, I...

00:45:12.780 That's the only reason I did.

00:45:14.020 We have, every single week, every month, every year, we have over a thousand guests a year.

00:45:19.920 So, I honestly don't remember shit about anybody.

00:45:24.120 I don't care.

00:45:24.960 No, that...

00:45:25.500 I don't care.

00:45:26.340 I hear what you speak on the show, and that's the extent of what I remember.

00:45:30.880 And then I try to, I try to like, men in black, erase all the bullshit that I hear from everybody.

00:45:36.720 So, I don't, I actually didn't recall that you were previously a drug addict.

00:45:40.300 I was just making an assessment based on what I've seen in terms of your conduct thus far.

00:45:46.300 Okay.

00:45:47.480 Because I actually do recall you were a bit more lucid on the previous show.

00:45:51.620 Well, yeah.

00:45:52.080 So, I was just asking if you had a little bit to drink before.

00:45:54.660 Yeah, and I said I did when I first entered the airport at 7 a.m.

00:46:00.280 Jet line?

00:46:00.560 Okay.

00:46:01.200 Maybe like you took an Ambien or you took...

00:46:03.380 No, I took two...

00:46:04.960 Anything prescription?

00:46:05.820 No.

00:46:06.020 Did you take Advan or something?

00:46:07.920 What, that's prescription medication for anxiety?

00:46:10.660 No, no, no, no, no.

00:46:11.220 People will take it before they come on the show.

00:46:12.880 No.

00:46:14.500 Okay, maybe my assessment's off.

00:46:16.200 What about you?

00:46:16.920 Single.

00:46:17.400 I've been single for one and a half years.

00:46:18.920 Longest relationship, a little over two years.

00:46:21.280 All right.

00:46:21.780 Single for one and a half years.

00:46:23.020 Longest relationship, two years.

00:46:24.480 Okay, Mason, what about you?

00:46:26.240 Oh, shoot, yeah.

00:46:27.720 I said under the eyes of God in the state, I'm single.

00:46:30.320 But I've been a couple dates with a girl now.

00:46:32.880 You got a lady friend.

00:46:36.960 Brian perks up.

00:46:38.680 Okay.

00:46:39.100 I didn't get to vet her.

00:46:40.940 Yeah, he didn't.

00:46:43.940 You will.

00:46:44.500 He will eventually.

00:46:45.940 Okay.

00:46:46.740 We'll talk after the show.

00:46:48.060 Yeah, she is.

00:46:49.020 Virgin?

00:46:50.240 I don't know.

00:46:51.120 She's 20.

00:46:51.760 She's 20.

00:46:52.120 I'm not going to give information like this.

00:46:54.300 Hold on.

00:46:54.320 That was the point.

00:46:54.580 I feel like that's what him and I were just talking about.

00:46:56.900 Like, how are you going to be a virgin and have sex with a virgin?

00:47:00.320 Yeah.

00:47:00.640 Wait, what?

00:47:01.000 Well, I'm also not just going to air, like, dirty laundry out or clean laundry.

00:47:05.200 Can you have sex with a non-virgin?

00:47:07.180 Is that, like, allowed?

00:47:08.700 Yeah.

00:47:09.380 That's not like in the Bible.

00:47:10.780 It's like you cannot have sex with a non-virgin.

00:47:12.500 No, but how do you feel about that?

00:47:13.860 Huh?

00:47:14.560 How do you feel about that?

00:47:15.960 That's weird.

00:47:16.980 I mean, it's not weird.

00:47:17.860 No.

00:47:18.240 I think it's not ideal.

00:47:20.700 Yeah.

00:47:21.320 I'll tell you how he feels about it.

00:47:23.780 I'm sure if he has a virgin wife that he marries, he's going to feel pretty fucking good about it.

00:47:28.760 That's how I think he's going to feel.

00:47:30.600 I think he's going to feel like, well, it's fucking awesome.

00:47:33.340 As a virgin, yeah.

00:47:35.600 As a virgin, yeah.

00:47:37.260 That's a little creepy.

00:47:37.960 Ideally, yeah.

00:47:38.680 It'd be awesome if you were a virgin.

00:47:39.860 Why is that creepy?

00:47:40.560 And she's not a virgin.

00:47:42.420 What are you going to do with that?

00:47:44.360 Well, it depends what degree of non-virgin.

00:47:46.560 Is a guy going to go have an unspoiled woman to marry?

00:47:49.240 Oh, that's creepy.

00:47:50.200 What the fuck are you talking about?

00:47:51.560 Do you got the ick?

00:47:53.020 Well, no, but like, how do you know what to do?

00:47:57.360 Like, what do you mean?

00:47:58.080 I'm also coming from, like, the past.

00:48:01.420 What are you talking about?

00:48:02.420 Well, I mean, obviously you know what to do.

00:48:03.860 That's not what I mean.

00:48:04.440 But I'm like, okay, if he's done it before, if she's done it before, then what?

00:48:10.020 Okay, so, like, what are we talking about?

00:48:11.900 Has she done it with, like, a hundred guys before?

00:48:14.480 Okay, say she's done it with three.

00:48:16.200 Three?

00:48:17.060 Okay.

00:48:17.860 Even one.

00:48:19.120 It depends.

00:48:19.360 You've never had sex.

00:48:20.200 You don't know how sex goes.

00:48:21.920 I'm pretty sure I could figure it out.

00:48:23.660 I mean, yeah, you can, but you've never done it.

00:48:25.740 You really don't know what happened.

00:48:26.640 Let's be genuinely honest here.

00:48:29.200 Now, hang on.

00:48:29.820 Now, I know that Mason is an engineer, and by trade, brilliant man, I'm sure it's going

00:48:36.200 to be too complicated for him to figure out where the penis goes.

00:48:40.100 I'm sure that he's going to be super cool.

00:48:41.920 And, like, okay, pretty much any athletic endeavor I've ever tried to, like, I don't

00:48:49.200 know, conquer, I've been very successful at.

00:48:52.080 So you can conquer the vagina of the best.

00:48:52.800 So I would probably figure out pretty quickly and pretty successfully.

00:48:56.640 How to please my wife.

00:48:58.280 But how does that make you, like, feel knowing that she's been with this many people?

00:49:04.800 That goes into a whole lot of other things.

00:49:07.480 It's less than ideal.

00:49:08.820 I would definitely say so.

00:49:10.000 Because those are, there's emotional baggage.

00:49:13.140 There's relationship baggage.

00:49:13.980 Is that emotional baggage?

00:49:15.300 Oh, yeah.

00:49:15.960 Because all of a sudden, you've made these.

00:49:17.800 Four-horts, 69, you who donated $69 to the fishnet girl.

00:49:23.240 Are you just mad that Mason will never go for a girl like you or anyone in the least?

00:49:27.820 Who's a fishnet girl?

00:49:28.260 I'm the fishnet girl.

00:49:29.100 Just because you didn't save yourself for anyone doesn't mean you deserve a king.

00:49:34.000 Um, I genuinely think Mason is probably a very nice man.

00:49:37.580 Mason is nowhere near my type.

00:49:39.540 I apologize, but not apologize.

00:49:41.340 But no, could we be friends?

00:49:42.880 A thousand percent.

00:49:43.540 Um, I'm just trying to understand his mindset, your mindset and like for women and especially

00:49:54.680 in this generation, because I have a hard time finding men that aren't wanting to sleep

00:49:59.840 with 7,000 people at the same time.

00:50:01.740 So with you saying you don't want that.

00:50:04.280 Yeah.

00:50:04.540 Well, it sounds like you may be looking for the wrong type of guys because there are guys

00:50:09.680 out there who, okay, so I can use my church as an example.

00:50:14.700 I know, I know I could list five guys off the top of my head.

00:50:18.320 I'm not going to do it because I don't want to dox them online.

00:50:20.940 But, uh, I know five guys off the top of my head who are incredible men.

00:50:25.040 They make good money.

00:50:25.980 They can provide for a family easily.

00:50:28.380 Money means nothing.

00:50:29.400 And I can only find them.

00:50:30.220 And they're, they're also really godly men, like they're solid guys and girls won't, won't

00:50:36.460 touch them because one, they're usually reserved.

00:50:38.820 They kind of keep themselves.

00:50:40.300 They're introverts and girls don't usually like socially awkward dudes, but they would

00:50:45.040 be incredible husbands.

00:50:47.000 So maybe, maybe people are just kind of looking for the wrong type of person.

00:50:51.460 Maybe, maybe people are generally going after the frat guy who sleeps around with like

00:50:56.800 a million chicks.

00:50:57.580 Typically think about, think about this, this thing that you said, right?

00:51:02.280 I'm used to guys just wanting to hump everything that they see.

00:51:05.600 And you look at Mason, you say, hey, I'm sorry, Mason, you're not my type.

00:51:09.260 Perhaps there's a correlation here.

00:51:11.360 I don't mean it.

00:51:12.080 Perhaps there's a correlation.

00:51:13.340 Okay, hold on, hold on.

00:51:14.040 Between your type and the type of guy who does that.

00:51:18.740 The big difference is that Jerry Springer starts losing his mind 40 minutes into the show.

00:51:24.840 Need a visual showing steam out of his ears.

00:51:27.580 The one thing, Andrew, I will tell you is it's not that he's not my type because of his

00:51:32.240 moral values, because I share those same values.

00:51:34.620 It's just, I don't physically find him attractive.

00:51:38.560 And that's just me as a person.

00:51:40.980 And that's just who I am.

00:51:42.420 And I'm not trying to be rude.

00:51:43.500 And that's not nice.

00:51:44.120 You know, I'm very confused, though, about this line of inquiry towards Mason.

00:51:50.460 What exactly is it that you're trying to figure out here in plain English without beating around

00:51:55.340 the boat, right?

00:51:56.000 I'm not beating around the boat.

00:51:57.500 I'm just saying, like, okay, so do, like, what do you want from a girl?

00:52:02.580 Because you're just talking to a girl.

00:52:03.900 Like, is she the same?

00:52:05.940 Does she not have the same morals as you?

00:52:10.580 Like, what are you looking for?

00:52:11.620 It's not.

00:52:12.740 Yeah, but he answered.

00:52:13.640 He's looking for a chaste Christian woman who's going to be a good wife to him.

00:52:17.100 That's what he's looking for.

00:52:17.560 But find that in this generation, please, because that doesn't exist anymore.

00:52:20.760 Well, actually, I'm not saying it's.

00:52:22.640 I'm that woman.

00:52:23.140 What do you mean it doesn't exist anymore?

00:52:24.700 I mean, I wish I knew.

00:52:26.920 I'm that woman, just to clarify.

00:52:28.680 I go to church every Sunday.

00:52:29.760 There you go.

00:52:30.500 I'm that woman.

00:52:31.920 Like, yeah, I do not sleep around.

00:52:34.520 I'm very, very careful with who I date.

00:52:35.740 No, and neither am I.

00:52:36.540 I'm looking for a husband only.

00:52:38.120 Like, so I'm that woman.

00:52:39.180 Yeah, no, but I don't mean that.

00:52:42.260 So I think people get really offended.

00:52:45.840 I'm not saying you're offended, but a lot of people will get offended by this line of

00:52:50.860 questioning, because it immediately eliminates most of the female population, because most

00:52:56.920 of the female population has been sleeping around, whereas a good guy, generally good

00:53:01.780 guys, are going to look for women who have not been whoring themselves out to every Tom,

00:53:08.000 Dick, and Harry that walks around the street.

00:53:09.560 I wouldn't look for the same thing in partners.

00:53:10.540 But I don't think so, because I, regardless of the way that I dress or the way that I look,

00:53:15.240 I'm the same way.

00:53:16.380 I can count on one hand the people that I've been with in my entire career.

00:53:18.980 Can you get a little closer to the mic, please?

00:53:20.100 I can count on one hand the people that I've been with in my entire life.

00:53:24.060 That's awesome.

00:53:24.880 Great.

00:53:25.260 And I'm 30 years old.

00:53:26.400 I am not, like, I'm not sleeping around by any means.

00:53:29.600 And I'm not trying to look down on that, but I'm trying to understand, as a man in this

00:53:35.460 culture, trying to find a wife, a girlfriend, or someone to be a companion with, how do you

00:53:41.000 do that?

00:53:41.500 Because people, even people that I know, people that I work with, people that I see, women

00:53:45.520 my age, that is not real.

00:53:47.380 I am an anomaly, even the way that I look.

00:53:51.040 I can tell you how you go about doing this, so that you understand.

00:53:54.820 Okay.

00:53:54.980 Step one, you go and you get a passport.

00:53:58.160 I have one.

00:53:58.600 And step two, you fly to fuck to a different country, where chicks aren't fucking lunatics

00:54:02.300 and insane, and you marry one of them.

00:54:04.420 And then you stay there in that country.

00:54:07.280 That's what you do.

00:54:08.560 Like, that's, that's what you do if you want to find one of those chicks, because you're

00:54:12.460 right, they are rare here, but not everybody shares the feminist, lunatic values of modern

00:54:17.420 American women.

00:54:18.420 But I don't, exactly, and I don't, but, I shouldn't really say that.

00:54:23.520 I almost said something I probably don't want to get into discussion.

00:54:26.140 And I am not the biggest feminist in the room.

00:54:29.360 I'm not going to lie to you.

00:54:30.700 So, yeah.

00:54:33.880 Is that not controversial?

00:54:35.220 No, okay, yeah.

00:54:35.760 She said, she said, ooh.

00:54:38.900 No.

00:54:39.660 You're right, it is.

00:54:40.460 I have my own thoughts.

00:54:42.060 TTS, stop, stop.

00:54:42.880 TTS, Cheeks donated $200.

00:54:45.060 Chat, can you hear it?

00:54:45.780 Listen, I'm on your side when I say this.

00:54:48.100 The TTS.

00:54:48.480 Just get into soft guy, Summer.

00:54:51.060 You need an eight-figure salary earning woman to pay your bills.

00:54:54.860 Be under £127 and virgin.

00:54:58.680 Drizzle, drizzle.

00:54:59.980 And a passport.

00:55:02.780 Hi, beaten cheeks.

00:55:04.380 No, yeah, so, it is, yeah, you're right, it's very difficult.

00:55:08.220 But just because something is difficult doesn't mean I'm going to lower my standards.

00:55:11.500 No, for sure.

00:55:12.920 Yeah, and it's taken a very, very long time for me.

00:55:16.340 No, no, no.

00:55:17.100 Yeah, no.

00:55:17.780 We're just having a spirited discussion.

00:55:20.900 I don't take this stuff personally.

00:55:22.640 I'm passionate about this subject.

00:55:24.140 I think it's important.

00:55:24.980 I think people at home need to realize that this is an important subject.

00:55:29.360 Who you spend the rest of your life with is extremely important.

00:55:33.120 Which is the reason why I do not lower standards.

00:55:36.420 No matter what.

00:55:37.900 And their values they bring to your home, your family, your kids, and things like that.

00:55:41.400 And when you do lower your standards, terrible things happen.

00:55:44.940 Yes.

00:55:45.100 And sleeping with that many people.

00:55:47.060 Well, yes, it's correct.

00:55:49.280 Men just don't want whores.

00:55:51.320 It's pretty simple.

00:55:52.380 We don't want whores.

00:55:53.600 We don't want women who have high body counts.

00:55:56.320 I mean, neither do we.

00:55:57.080 We don't want the fucking town bicycle.

00:56:01.060 I mean, yeah.

00:56:01.820 We can't see Andrew hide that.

00:56:03.340 Yeah, neither do women, honestly.

00:56:08.940 Yeah.

00:56:09.320 No.

00:56:09.660 And I wasn't, like I said, I wasn't speaking down.

00:56:11.880 I was just simply.

00:56:12.380 The higher the body count, the less deserving.

00:56:15.640 True.

00:56:16.180 The less deserving.

00:56:17.120 That's honestly true.

00:56:18.100 Vice versa.

00:56:18.560 Because you're bringing.

00:56:21.060 And what are you teaching my kids?

00:56:23.120 And like, same with men.

00:56:24.300 So, you sleep with a million women.

00:56:26.900 What are you going to teach my daughter?

00:56:28.100 It's like a double standard.

00:56:28.660 Like, both.

00:56:29.020 It goes both ways.

00:56:29.960 Well, that's honestly another thing with me.

00:56:33.420 But women and men sleeping with.

00:56:36.460 Never mind.

00:56:37.380 But you're correct.

00:56:39.620 Women should be very self-contained.

00:56:41.600 You have no business running around doing that.

00:56:43.700 All right, guys.

00:56:44.100 TTS has been boosted.

00:56:45.520 It's at.

00:56:47.360 Should be at the higher threshold.

00:56:48.980 Do you mind if I ask a very quick follow-up question?

00:56:51.460 Go ahead.

00:56:52.300 Go ahead.

00:56:52.500 Yeah.

00:56:53.060 So, I'd like to ask you a question.

00:56:54.340 Yeah.

00:56:54.740 You said earlier.

00:56:56.020 I got it in my notes here.

00:56:57.840 That you think you share the same values as Mason over there.

00:57:00.840 Which values of those do you think you share?

00:57:02.720 Um, I believe that women should not be sleeping around.

00:57:08.740 I believe that women should hold themselves in a higher standard.

00:57:12.580 I understand the way that I'm dressed.

00:57:14.920 I'm very aware of that.

00:57:16.520 Um, but at the same time, I don't believe that.

00:57:22.420 How do we say this?

00:57:23.620 Like, I would never want my children to look like me.

00:57:26.820 I would never want my children to be a bartender.

00:57:30.060 I would never want my children to do any of those things.

00:57:33.180 I want my children to be educated.

00:57:34.680 I want them to be respected.

00:57:36.260 I want them to be somebody in this world.

00:57:38.640 Well, then why do you do that shit?

00:57:40.360 Um, to be perfectly honest, well, obviously, um, I come from a very hard background and

00:57:48.660 the way my education works, this is where I am financially in a freedom space and I can

00:57:55.320 do what I can do.

00:57:56.300 I just, I say this with the most love and I say this as a fellow, like woman who's been

00:58:02.820 in the military, like, especially if you're going down the path of like going in the Marine

00:58:05.480 Corps, I strongly encourage you, especially if you're advocating for, for your daughters

00:58:10.740 and things like that to dress differently, act the part because you're going to bring

00:58:15.120 shame.

00:58:15.880 We already in the military community, women in the military, we already deal so much like

00:58:20.220 in the super chats alone, et cetera.

00:58:21.480 Like me, the fact that I'm in the military, I'm going to get a million comments tearing

00:58:24.900 me apart.

00:58:25.720 The way you're dressed right now is going to bring shame on the military female community.

00:58:29.340 No, a thousand percent.

00:58:30.160 You know, what's really, really funny is I didn't want to wear this.

00:58:33.060 A million people told me to wear this.

00:58:35.320 A million people tell, oh, this is fun.

00:58:36.880 This is this.

00:58:37.340 This is that.

00:58:37.900 This is how I dress on our day to day basis.

00:58:39.940 This isn't who I am as a person.

00:58:41.780 This isn't what I wanted, but everybody, oh, you're going on this, do this, do this, dress

00:58:46.080 this, do that.

00:58:47.140 No, this is not who I am.

00:58:48.160 Just to be clear that the, that's not from us.

00:58:51.300 No, that's not from you.

00:58:52.320 I'm not saying no.

00:58:52.940 The way you're framing it.

00:58:53.980 No, no, no, no.

00:58:54.100 The way you're framing it.

00:58:55.200 No, no, no, no.

00:58:56.120 That is not from them.

00:58:57.020 Then that is from my own personal situation.

00:58:59.520 And that is something that I have to reflect on as a human being.

00:59:03.080 And I will take that home.

00:59:04.400 I will understand that.

00:59:05.360 Yeah.

00:59:05.900 But I'm also very aware that no, would I want my child?

00:59:11.880 No, but I will also tell you, I've heard you say a couple of times now that you come

00:59:15.260 from a really hard background.

00:59:16.200 And I just want to like give you, want to pour into you for a moment, pour some love

00:59:20.220 and light into you.

00:59:21.100 So I too come from a really hard background.

00:59:24.040 Like you don't have to use that as an excuse.

00:59:26.260 Like it's not an excuse.

00:59:27.140 This is not an excuse.

00:59:27.940 Hold on.

00:59:28.180 But you keep saying that the reason why I'm making these choices, it's not choices.

00:59:34.580 That's not what I'm saying.

00:59:35.860 What I'm, me saying that I come from a hard background.

00:59:39.100 Exactly.

00:59:39.540 It is a context.

00:59:40.460 That's not me saying it's a choice.

00:59:42.280 That's not me saying that this is an excuse.

00:59:43.980 I come from a hard background and I'm not dressed like that.

00:59:45.960 Okay.

00:59:46.200 That's fine.

00:59:46.720 I'm not saying the way that I dress has anything to do with where I came from.

00:59:51.480 That has nothing to do with it because as a conservative woman, I can dress how I want.

00:59:57.960 I mean, just observation here.

01:00:00.740 Conservative women would never dress like that.

01:00:03.240 Okay.

01:00:03.340 That's fine.

01:00:03.820 Yeah.

01:00:04.100 And that's fine.

01:00:04.620 There's different tiers of all of those opinions.

01:00:08.260 But see, as a conservative woman, I understand where she's coming from because I have no standpoint

01:00:14.780 on anything.

01:00:19.020 It's really not.

01:00:20.620 How do I say this without being mean so I won't do it?

01:00:22.940 So what I'm going to say is I genuinely understand where you're coming from and I see what you're

01:00:29.020 saying.

01:00:29.520 I do because I, but I am very conservative.

01:00:33.740 You may not see that in the way that I look right now, but I am very conservative.

01:00:36.740 My moral views and who I am as a woman is very different than my appearance to you.

01:00:41.840 And that has nothing to do with my background.

01:00:46.020 Nothing.

01:00:46.540 Sorry.

01:00:46.820 I only said that because I thought that you were saying that.

01:00:49.120 No, but I'm trying to make an assumption.

01:00:50.520 No, no, no, you're not, but I'm, but I'm trying to explain my background has nothing

01:00:54.580 to do with my life.

01:00:55.540 My life is about choices.

01:00:56.840 I made the choices my entire life from the time that I was very small until now.

01:01:00.700 I made the choices where I am now, but coming from a hard background, I say that in like

01:01:08.260 Can you guys wrap this up, please?

01:01:09.720 Like you each get one, one final, go ahead.

01:01:13.540 No, I'm done.

01:01:14.100 Go ahead.

01:01:14.400 No, it's fine.

01:01:16.020 No, you guys can each make one final point, but I got to move it on.

01:01:18.920 No, just move it on.

01:01:19.720 Just move it on.

01:01:20.140 Go ahead.

01:01:23.100 All right.

01:01:24.520 Okay.

01:01:26.820 We're going to get into our first topic.

01:01:29.440 Nick, I need you to start pulling it, pulling it up.

01:01:39.240 All right.

01:01:39.760 Toby McGuire, famous movie star, A-list celebrity, number one Spider-Man.

01:01:45.680 I don't know.

01:01:46.320 This was kind of going viral recently.

01:01:47.900 He's 49.

01:01:48.620 He's dating a 20-year-old actress, Lily Chi.

01:01:53.720 Scroll down a little bit next so we can see some of the other stories.

01:01:57.080 It was on Daily Mail.

01:01:59.140 People are having mixed thoughts on this.

01:02:02.020 So he's 49.

01:02:03.900 She's 20.

01:02:04.640 And just pull up her, pull up the next tab.

01:02:09.620 What's the next tab?

01:02:10.760 Some photos here.

01:02:12.180 So they responded to the party recently.

01:02:15.480 What's the next?

01:02:16.480 Click the next one.

01:02:18.560 The next?

01:02:19.620 No.

01:02:19.780 Yeah, that one.

01:02:21.040 Yeah, that one?

01:02:22.280 Okay.

01:02:24.120 So, 49, 20.

01:02:27.200 They're dating.

01:02:28.240 Cool.

01:02:29.880 So, do you guys object?

01:02:31.040 Any of you object going around the table to the age gap right after this?

01:02:35.340 50 dollars.

01:02:36.440 Conservative women dress conservatively.

01:02:39.000 As in, not look like a whore.

01:02:41.480 As a real military vet, Mason, don't join.

01:02:45.260 The military is run by feminists and women in awful roles thinking they know everything.

01:02:50.020 Not a feminist, I love it.

01:02:53.700 I've heard, I've gotten this comment a lot.

01:02:56.940 I'm still going to join the military.

01:02:58.500 The community I'm trying to get into, I'm trying to go into aspect war.

01:03:03.380 Dominated by a lot of very conservative men.

01:03:06.560 I know that there are aspects of the military that are feminist, pro, whatever.

01:03:12.140 But from the pararescue men I've talked to, actual guys in the career field,

01:03:17.680 has very little to do with the day-to-day job.

01:03:19.540 The day-to-day job is still awesome.

01:03:22.380 It still speaks to me at a very deep level.

01:03:24.920 It's exactly what I want to do.

01:03:26.940 So, I understand the sentiment.

01:03:28.840 But, again, if we want to fix the problem,

01:03:33.340 not doing anything about it is not the way to go about fixing that problem.

01:03:37.820 I think we need to be in there, especially as conservative men,

01:03:40.920 we need to be involved in those spaces to fix the problems that are internal.

01:03:45.040 And it's not going to happen if we're just going to be like,

01:03:47.120 ah, we'll just let it figure itself out.

01:03:49.540 All right.

01:03:51.920 Thank you, beating cheeks.

01:03:52.920 Okay.

01:03:53.260 So, back to the topic at hand.

01:03:55.460 Toby McGuire, 49.

01:03:57.140 He's dating a 20-year-old.

01:03:59.100 Any objections there?

01:04:00.960 So, you're 21, right?

01:04:02.880 Yes.

01:04:03.380 I'm 21.

01:04:04.240 Okay.

01:04:04.540 Maybe you have some thoughts?

01:04:05.420 I personally would not date someone that age.

01:04:09.640 It would make me feel uncomfortable.

01:04:12.140 But this situation does not affect me whatsoever.

01:04:15.520 It's not my relationship.

01:04:18.840 I can choose what I want to do as a person, but I'm not going to, I don't know.

01:04:22.980 It's like a, it's an interesting story, but I don't see how it affects me.

01:04:27.340 It doesn't affect you.

01:04:28.560 I know.

01:04:28.980 Right, but so, like, for example, probably there's conflicts out in the world that don't affect you personally, but you have thoughts on them regardless.

01:04:36.620 Yeah, of course.

01:04:37.060 So, I mean, if you had to just give us, you know, your own view.

01:04:41.640 I hope that she's okay and she feels safe and it's not, like, an imbalance of power and that she has thought a lot about it.

01:04:52.280 That being said, I can't make those decisions for her.

01:04:55.720 I feel like you can try to help someone as much as you want, but at the end of the day, you can really only help yourself.

01:05:00.800 Well, for what reasons would you choose to help her?

01:05:02.860 I think I would probably just be, like, hey, are you, like, are you in a consensual, safe relationship?

01:05:11.380 Is, like, ask about the nature of it, see if it's, like, but at the end of the day, it's not my decision.

01:05:20.060 But so you think just simply by virtue of the discrepancy in age that those questions would be warranted?

01:05:27.640 I think it depends on the situation, but yes, I do, just because that is a pretty decent age gap.

01:05:36.400 So you would not feel the need to ask those kinds of questions, for example, if they were, it was, like, a 21 and a 21-year-old dating?

01:05:44.620 Well, I feel like it depends on the context.

01:05:46.720 You feel like there's a lot of instances where, like, someone can feel unsafe in a relationship, someone can feel like there's a power imbalance, and it's not just to do with age.

01:05:54.220 Like, there's other factors as well.

01:05:56.720 Like what?

01:05:57.640 Um, I don't know, just, like, if someone is acting in a toxic way, if someone is, I know there's certain topics that we can't talk about on this podcast, so I'm going to refrain, but I think there's a lot of instances where there can be power imbalances in a relationship.

01:06:18.160 Um, does it have to do with SA?

01:06:21.160 Is that what you're talking about?

01:06:22.380 Um, I would say so, but I don't really want to talk about that more on the podcast, because I know that's one of the topics we're not supposed to discuss.

01:06:30.760 Well, how about I just give you a pass, and you just use the word SA, so that you can tell us what you're talking about.

01:06:36.220 I just donated $200.

01:06:38.180 Um...

01:06:38.660 As an ex-PJ, I'll let you know, lose weight, swim a lot, and learn to get beat down.

01:06:45.080 It ain't about the muscles anymore, it's mental.

01:06:48.540 Also, women won't win the age gap argument.

01:06:51.520 It's just about the...

01:06:52.580 All right, thank you, Beaton Cheeks, appreciate it.

01:06:55.780 Um...

01:06:56.060 Okay, so I'm a little confused, so...

01:07:00.980 Something about power dynamics and...

01:07:04.700 These women being...

01:07:06.980 Potentially essayed because of the power dynamic, or...?

01:07:12.380 Well, I don't necessarily feel comfortable talking about a topic like that, because it is really sensitive, and it's...

01:07:19.460 I don't feel comfortable talking about that on the internet, so I'm going to refrain from that.

01:07:22.580 Not specifically.

01:07:23.920 But there are power imbalances in a relationship.

01:07:27.220 I've had friends where there is power imbalances, and I know they don't feel safe in their relationship.

01:07:32.520 And I'll check in on them, offer them support, tell them that.

01:07:35.860 If they need help, I'm here for them.

01:07:37.160 If they need someone to talk to, if they need help getting out of the relationship, I'm here for them.

01:07:42.440 But at the end of the day, if you're in a bad situation, the only person who can get you out is yourself.

01:07:48.600 So you said you've had friends who you know who are in relationships where there's a skewed power dynamic.

01:07:55.880 Yes, I think we can all agree as women that we've had friends that have been in toxic relationships.

01:08:00.380 Hold on a while.

01:08:00.840 Age-based?

01:08:01.340 Yeah, but power dynamics is a very specific thing.

01:08:04.340 For example, you could be in a relationship where there is no power dynamic, but it's toxic.

01:08:11.120 So I'm a little confused there.

01:08:12.280 Are you conflating power dynamic with just toxic relationship?

01:08:18.000 No, I think I was using toxic as a blanket term, but looking back on it now, I would say that I think it is very common for relationships to have a power imbalance.

01:08:27.780 I don't know if anyone disagrees with that.

01:08:30.100 They can, of course, interject.

01:08:31.360 Okay, so when you say power dynamic, you say it's very common.

01:08:38.460 You're in college.

01:08:39.880 Yes.

01:08:40.280 So even your girlfriends who are in college who are dating other college guys, they're encountering power dynamics.

01:08:50.060 Well, like you were talking about with SA earlier, SA does function on a power imbalance.

01:08:56.080 You're holding physical power over someone else.

01:08:58.260 So these women are getting essayed by their boyfriends?

01:09:03.160 Yes.

01:09:03.920 Sometimes that does happen.

01:09:05.580 Crazy idea.

01:09:07.340 Sure, but I mean.

01:09:09.300 So why did you bring it up in the context of age?

01:09:12.440 Because being physically more.

01:09:13.840 In the context of age.

01:09:14.220 Well, so being physically dominant in a relationship between a man and a woman, the man is 99.999% of the time going to be stronger, more powerful, able to dominate their woman.

01:09:28.260 So why did this come into the context of Tobey Maguire being 49 and his girlfriend being 20?

01:09:36.220 Well, because.

01:09:36.820 Is that only an age gap?

01:09:38.520 I think it depends on the situation.

01:09:40.360 It's not only an age gap.

01:09:41.640 But if you asked me what I thought on the situation, I would just want to ensure that his girlfriend was okay and that there wasn't.

01:09:48.160 It wasn't an uncomfortable situation that she felt safe.

01:09:50.560 That's all I'm saying.

01:09:51.100 But why does him being 49 and her being, would you say, 21 have to do with her being okay?

01:09:56.500 Why wouldn't she be okay?

01:09:57.740 What if she actually liked him?

01:09:59.320 Well, that is an instance.

01:10:00.620 And I think that's totally a possibility.

01:10:02.600 I'm not discounting that.

01:10:03.720 I'm just saying that I'm trying to rule out that possibility.

01:10:08.680 Is it, I don't know, is it a G word, the thing you can say?

01:10:12.480 Like, or.

01:10:14.440 Yeah, that's kind of what I'm, that, what you just referenced is what I'm alluding to.

01:10:18.980 Yes.

01:10:19.380 I'm just not sure if that's.

01:10:19.780 I didn't know if that was an appropriate topic to talk about on here.

01:10:22.440 Well, again, it doesn't really have anything to do with the age.

01:10:28.080 Like, terrible men are going to be terrible men, regardless if they're 12 years old or if they're 50.

01:10:34.100 I don't even think this plays into a power dynamic either.

01:10:37.840 This is like, I mean, that's criminal behavior.

01:10:40.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:40.560 That goes beyond just power dynamic.

01:10:43.440 Yeah, that's not.

01:10:44.640 I'm just confused.

01:10:45.660 And there are normal human beings that, an age difference, they have met somebody and they've found a genuine connection.

01:10:53.460 It has nothing to do with anything.

01:10:55.320 So, criminalizing, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's obviously they have really nothing in common at that point.

01:11:04.520 But it's really like, it doesn't mean he's like grooming her to be somebody.

01:11:07.780 Like, that's weird.

01:11:08.640 Yeah, I'm not saying that he automatically is.

01:11:11.160 I wasn't saying that either.

01:11:12.120 I can also ask the inverse, is she trying to take advantage of him for his money, influence, fame?

01:11:18.660 Because it's extremely easy for women to take advantage of a man's resources.

01:11:23.240 All they have to do is get some kind of legal precedent to where they can divorce, get half of their stuff, start getting a bunch of their income.

01:11:31.680 And they have to do nothing for the rest of their life.

01:11:33.340 And especially in Tobey Maguire's case, it's a serious possibility.

01:11:37.980 So, I'm hoping, I assume Tobey Maguire's a mature dude.

01:11:43.840 He's 49 years old, seems like a mature guy, knows what he's doing, has identified this girl as someone who's going to be a good partner, loves him for being him, best Spider-Man.

01:11:55.520 Yeah, and I'm hoping she does the same thing.

01:11:57.800 It seems like I know nothing about their situation, but I would hope that they're in a good relationship.

01:12:03.100 Yeah, I agree with your points, yeah.

01:12:05.540 Okay.

01:12:09.340 All right, your reaction to the Tobey Maguire thing?

01:12:12.240 I think most women in their early 20s have no idea left, right, up, down.

01:12:17.660 And Tobey Maguire being 49 is being completely inappropriate, dating a 20-year-old, 21-year-old.

01:12:24.180 Why?

01:12:25.400 Because he's mature.

01:12:26.840 He's been around the planet.

01:12:28.540 He's, you know, understands relationship dynamics, you know, I think that women that young should be dating much closer to their own age.

01:12:37.840 And to your point about, like, resources and things like that, you know, the thing she's probably looking at is status.

01:12:45.420 You know, she's looking at a high-status man with money, with fame, things like that.

01:12:49.360 So, those are the things she's attaching herself to.

01:12:51.320 You know, but in terms of, you know, being a woman of high value, you know, going after those things alone is low-value behavior.

01:12:58.940 And it's his responsibility being the older, more mature person to date within the maturity level that he's at,

01:13:05.760 not a very vulnerable young woman who is definitely going to be taken advantage of in other ways in terms of her body and her time and her energy.

01:13:16.920 And she's going to be, like, falling in love with this guy when the chances of them actually working out are going to be pretty slim to numb.

01:13:23.260 Erroneous!

01:13:24.560 Erroneous!

01:13:26.520 Okay, there's a lot of buzzwords here.

01:13:29.000 Vulnerable.

01:13:29.600 Yeah.

01:13:29.940 She's vulnerable.

01:13:30.820 Yeah.

01:13:31.420 He's going to take advantage of her body.

01:13:34.100 Wouldn't that just apply equally back to Toby?

01:13:36.640 She would be taking advantage of his body?

01:13:38.540 Oh, I know.

01:13:38.660 I fully agree that there's some, there's, it's an inappropriate match there, just age-wise.

01:13:43.560 No, no, no, no, but that, I think taking advantage of somebody typically, doesn't that only go one way?

01:13:49.860 No.

01:13:50.080 Or are you saying it goes both ways?

01:13:51.260 I think it can go both ways, absolutely.

01:13:52.640 Like, but you'd have to evaluate their personalities, their, what their actual intent is and all of that.

01:13:57.180 But I, you know, based on observation, all we got here was a storyline, right?

01:14:01.360 That's all we got.

01:14:02.080 And we got their age.

01:14:02.720 That's all we know.

01:14:03.540 Yeah, 49, 20.

01:14:04.600 Yep, that's all we got.

01:14:05.320 And so I just am saying that based on traditional, like, not traditional, but the majority of relationships out there that are like that, the young girls are going after money, fame, status, et cetera.

01:14:15.840 That's taking advantage of him, right?

01:14:17.540 Okay.

01:14:17.980 Yep.

01:14:18.280 And then likewise, you know, he's going for the really young, vulnerable, easy, like, docile personality with a lot to, a lot of life to go still.

01:14:30.500 Like, that's equal.

01:14:33.080 Yeah.

01:14:33.480 What do you mean by vulnerable?

01:14:35.840 When you're in your early, when you're young, when you're a teenager, when you're in your early 20s, this is both for men and women, you're a sponge.

01:14:42.080 And that's a vulnerable place to be where you're not operating from an educated, experienced position.

01:14:48.480 They're vulnerable in terms of they're easily swayed.

01:14:52.420 They're easily suggestible.

01:14:53.980 So that's what I mean by vulnerable.

01:14:55.420 Like, they're, they're a sponge.

01:14:57.740 So do you think they definitely shouldn't be joining the military at that age?

01:15:00.540 I mean, I joined at 17, but that's a point.

01:15:03.460 Yeah, I know, but you definitely shouldn't have because you're a sponge and you're easily suggestible.

01:15:06.640 Andrew, that's completely different.

01:15:06.940 You don't have any autonomy.

01:15:08.280 You're just kind of, you're just kind of a fool, right?

01:15:10.580 No, that's completely different.

01:15:12.140 You're someone going in the military.

01:15:13.900 That's completely different.

01:15:14.640 Oh, I'll tell you.

01:15:16.120 So when you, when you go into the military, like I did at 17, you're going into a safe, when I'm, when I mean safe, I mean, it's structured.

01:15:22.940 There's laws and rules and regulations in place.

01:15:25.240 There's.

01:15:25.680 Oh, cause there's not laws and rules and regulations in place for, you know, relationships and for marriage, even though there is.

01:15:31.640 Right.

01:15:32.580 Like you can't just randomly essay women.

01:15:34.900 Right.

01:15:35.360 Even if you're early, there's still laws in place, even if you're not in the military.

01:15:38.600 Right.

01:15:38.900 I don't know why you're getting so heated, Andrew.

01:15:43.640 Well, I want an answer to the question.

01:15:45.180 There's the tone placing already.

01:15:46.580 Just engage.

01:15:46.960 I want to know why you think, I want to know why you think it's okay to be, when you say sponge, right?

01:15:52.100 Oh, they're just a sponge.

01:15:53.500 You know, they have so much life left to live, girl.

01:15:55.920 I guess I'm just like, what is your point?

01:15:57.760 Hang on, let me finish it.

01:15:58.680 Yeah, what's your point?

01:15:59.280 And then I'll turn it over to you.

01:16:00.040 Okay.

01:16:00.340 Hang on, let me finish.

01:16:01.880 You say, oh, they're a sponge.

01:16:03.620 They're just absorbed.

01:16:04.500 They're easily influenced, right?

01:16:06.500 And totally suggestible.

01:16:07.880 These are your words.

01:16:09.500 But of course, they should be joining the military because they're easily suggestible.

01:16:13.820 They're like sponges.

01:16:14.660 They could be easily influenced in doing things they ordinarily wouldn't do.

01:16:17.500 The SA rate for women in the military is sky high.

01:16:20.320 Seems like, ah, it's a little bit of a contradiction there, right?

01:16:24.020 No, I disagree because they're, one, they're two completely separate topics.

01:16:28.000 Completely separate topics.

01:16:28.960 The question was, do I think that they're that massive of an age gap is an issue?

01:16:33.220 And my answer, in my opinion, is yes, I think it's an issue.

01:16:36.360 I think, like, 10 years is appropriate as a max.

01:16:39.140 But, like, once you start getting into, like, the 20s, et cetera, I think it's completely

01:16:41.900 disproportionate.

01:16:43.020 There are different areas of their lives.

01:16:44.720 And that's my opinion.

01:16:46.540 Like when you're a commanding officer, for instance, who's probably going to be much older

01:16:50.560 than you are, right?

01:16:51.760 That's so different, Andrew.

01:16:54.000 Like, one is a teacher.

01:16:54.980 Why is it different?

01:16:56.080 You're suggestible, which means you can't make good decisions because you're a sponge.

01:17:00.580 You're always absorbing the things that are around you.

01:17:02.280 This is your logic, the entailment of your logic.

01:17:04.260 We can give each other the space to talk.

01:17:06.400 Hang on.

01:17:06.540 Hang on.

01:17:06.820 Hang on.

01:17:07.440 Hang on.

01:17:07.500 Hang on.

01:17:07.520 Hang on.

01:17:07.540 I just let you go.

01:17:08.320 No, you cut me off first.

01:17:08.920 I just let you go.

01:17:09.900 You cut me off first.

01:17:10.760 You were done talking.

01:17:11.260 I was in the middle of giving my answer, and you cut me off first.

01:17:14.360 Hey, I'm done talking, and now you can't talk.

01:17:16.720 Andrew, we've done this before together.

01:17:18.500 So let me finish.

01:17:18.960 I will, but once I finish my point.

01:17:20.600 Let me finish.

01:17:21.020 Stop talking.

01:17:22.000 Let me finish.

01:17:22.460 Andrew, I'm not going to take that from you or anybody.

01:17:24.280 I'm not going to take it.

01:17:25.000 I'm going to go.

01:17:25.500 I'll get up and leave right now, right this second.

01:17:27.900 I'm not going to do this with you, Andrew.

01:17:29.520 I'm not going to do this.

01:17:30.440 Are you going to have a discourse like adults or what?

01:17:31.960 You can't finish talking, and then when I start talking, I cut me off.

01:17:34.300 I just have to come in and pick one of you to finish your things.

01:17:37.340 Andrew gets to finish.

01:17:38.180 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:17:39.500 Okay.

01:17:39.800 So anyway, your line of logic would still apply to other situations.

01:17:44.640 If women are easily suggestible, they're just young sponges, they're just absorbing the

01:17:48.600 things around them, you say these are two different situations, as though I'm talking

01:17:52.260 about them like they're the same situation.

01:17:54.140 The logical entailment, though, would apply in both.

01:17:57.320 That's the point.

01:17:58.740 Are you done?

01:18:00.160 Yeah.

01:18:00.680 Okay.

01:18:01.240 So first of all, I didn't specify women.

01:18:03.480 I said young people, both men and women, when they're in their early 20s, are very suggestible,

01:18:09.620 impressionable.

01:18:10.780 They're sponges.

01:18:11.840 That's what I said.

01:18:12.540 I wasn't specifically talking about women.

01:18:14.740 We were not talking about the military, and the difference that I was trying to articulate

01:18:18.800 was that if there's a 20-year-old, sorry, a 20-year age gap between myself, as an example,

01:18:25.240 and a staff sergeant that's in charge of my platoon, his job is to train me, is to educate

01:18:31.340 me, is to lead me, is to build me into being a soldier.

01:18:34.600 That is not the dynamic of the particular male that we're talking about.

01:18:39.820 Toby McGuire's job is not to teach a 20-year-old how to be an adult and a woman and to know

01:18:46.320 her rights and to know her boundaries and her limits and what she likes and doesn't like.

01:18:49.960 That's not Toby's job.

01:18:50.820 That's not a staff sergeant's job, either, to teach you how to be a woman.

01:18:54.640 They're two completely different topics.

01:18:57.420 That's your logic.

01:18:59.000 It's your logical application.

01:19:00.740 Staff sergeant's job not to teach you how to be a woman, either.

01:19:03.760 Okay?

01:19:04.120 When you're talking about a power imbalance, if you're saying that people are so young and

01:19:07.420 impressionable they can't make the decision of who they date based on an age gap, which

01:19:11.300 is absurd, this logic should still apply to the situations that they can engage in, which

01:19:16.260 is contractual.

01:19:17.000 For instance, signing a, oh, I don't know, a four-year contract for your life, right, that

01:19:21.860 you then hand over to the government.

01:19:23.300 If you're incapable of determining who you can or can't date, why in the world would I think

01:19:28.180 that you could determine whether or not you signed your life over to the U.S. government?

01:19:32.720 So, hold on.

01:19:33.560 Again, two completely different topics.

01:19:35.260 I did not say a staff sergeant was going to teach me how to be a woman.

01:19:38.220 A staff sergeant would be teaching me how to be a soldier, just to clarify.

01:19:41.160 That's right.

01:19:41.780 And in terms of the topic of, you know, them joining the military, et cetera, again, we're

01:19:45.900 not talking about that.

01:19:47.140 We're talking about whether I personally, the question was whether I personally find issue

01:19:51.760 with a 20-year-plus age gap.

01:19:53.720 I personally find an issue with it.

01:19:55.220 I don't think it should be illegal, should the woman be able to decide to do that, or

01:19:58.520 a man, could be reversed.

01:19:59.580 Absolutely, it's their choice.

01:20:00.500 It's their business.

01:20:01.100 I'm just saying, the question was, do I have an issue with it?

01:20:03.860 I know that you have an issue with it.

01:20:04.580 And I'm saying I have an issue with it.

01:20:05.660 So, here's what I'm doing.

01:20:07.020 What I'm doing, right, and I'm going to use my best HR tone.

01:20:10.140 What I'm doing is I'm taking your applied logic that you apply in this situation and also

01:20:14.780 equally applying it to other situations to see if it's consistent.

01:20:18.420 It's called an analogy, right?

01:20:19.900 So, in this analogy, if you have a personal problem with age gap relationships based on

01:20:24.640 the fact that there's power dynamics and that the woman can be super suggestible to this

01:20:28.840 49-year-old who's super powerful and these all-powerfuls are, okay, then this would still

01:20:34.480 apply to the fact that if she made other contracts or other, you know, life choices, why is it

01:20:42.360 that she's capable of those?

01:20:43.800 You have no problem, but you have a problem in the instance of her picking her partner.

01:20:46.920 Again, these are two completely different scenarios.

01:20:51.620 You can keep saying that like we don't know that.

01:20:53.600 Listen, Andrew, we just disagree.

01:20:55.880 So, I think we should move on because we definitely disagree on this.

01:20:58.120 We just disagree. That's the argument.

01:20:59.240 I'm not going to keep arguing with you.

01:21:00.620 I'm not going to.

01:21:01.280 So, we disagree.

01:21:02.140 That's my opinion.

01:21:03.220 I don't need you to agree with it.

01:21:04.440 I don't need you to find logic in it.

01:21:05.820 That's just my opinion.

01:21:06.920 So, I'm ready to move on.

01:21:09.920 Yeah, but I'm not really ready to move on.

01:21:11.680 I'd really like you to answer to this because I don't understand the logic.

01:21:13.120 You can keep going, but you're going to be all by yourself.

01:21:16.060 Good for you.

01:21:17.680 Yeah, you tell that mean guy who wants the logical consistency.

01:21:21.140 No, I love you, Andrew.

01:21:23.400 I don't think he's mean.

01:21:24.540 I just think it's two completely different scenarios.

01:21:26.640 It's not even the same thing.

01:21:28.720 Yes, well, are apples the same as oranges?

01:21:31.640 I'm moving on, Andrew.

01:21:33.100 Are apples the same as oranges?

01:21:36.080 Can you answer any basic questions?

01:21:38.140 Is it up the opposite of down?

01:21:45.760 No, just nothing.

01:21:47.020 We're just not going to answer any questions at all.

01:21:49.320 What we'll do is we'll just take positions that never defend them.

01:21:52.440 I'm not going to do that.

01:21:53.820 I'm not here to debate you, Andrew.

01:21:55.540 We've been through this before.

01:21:56.860 What are you here to do?

01:21:58.120 I'm here for the dating conversation.

01:21:59.700 I'm not here for you.

01:22:00.320 This is a conversation about dating.

01:22:02.140 We're talking about specifically a person who's dating someone who's far older, and I'm testing the logical consistency of your position.

01:22:07.800 But I don't need you to decide whether my logic about whether I think a 20-year age gap is appropriate or not.

01:22:14.100 I don't need your approval on that.

01:22:16.040 I didn't say you needed my approval for having a conversation.

01:22:18.840 It's not a conversation when you're just going to disrespect.

01:22:23.180 I don't need that.

01:22:23.900 How is that disrespectful?

01:22:26.200 Andrew, I'm not going to do this with you this time.

01:22:27.660 Is it the tone?

01:22:27.680 Are you going to use the HR thing?

01:22:28.840 Is it the wrong tone?

01:22:30.160 Is it the HR tone?

01:22:31.300 Are you going to give me the HR tone speech?

01:22:33.200 Don't do the HR tone speech.

01:22:34.700 No, I'm not entertaining this, Andrew.

01:22:36.540 Not today.

01:22:38.600 Not today.

01:22:39.420 Not today.

01:22:40.980 Okay.

01:22:42.440 I mean, if you don't want to engage, you don't have to engage.

01:22:44.920 I'm in my healed girl era, Andrew.

01:22:48.000 I'm not going to argue with you today.

01:22:49.720 We're going to be friends again after this.

01:22:52.540 I don't take any of it personally.

01:22:54.300 I just don't understand why you take a position and then won't defend it.

01:22:58.660 I just don't get that.

01:22:59.540 I'm going to tell you why, if you genuinely care to know.

01:23:02.460 Because we're talking about my opinion on whether a 20-year age gap is appropriate or not.

01:23:07.140 I said no, right?

01:23:09.040 I don't think it's appropriate.

01:23:10.660 And you tried to bring in logic about someone joining the military, which is a completely different, like not even in the same universe topic-wise.

01:23:48.200 So, again, I'll just recap it one more time for you why it's totally different.

01:23:56.620 Why the logic cannot be applied to the same scenario.

01:23:59.400 Okay.

01:23:59.640 Because I'm talking about a young girl or boy, it doesn't matter what gender, going into a scenario where they don't even know.

01:24:08.500 They're left from right.

01:24:09.340 They're up from down.

01:24:10.340 They're brand new into being out of high school.

01:24:13.200 They're just entering the world, et cetera.

01:24:14.780 For a 49-year-old man or woman to come and pluck one of those two people up, my first question is, why do you have an interest in someone that young?

01:24:24.360 Like where is that coming from?

01:24:26.340 Because they want to bang them.

01:24:28.200 They think they're hot.

01:24:29.540 What do you mean?

01:24:31.380 And if it's consensual, have fun, right?

01:24:34.420 But I'm just saying I personally find that disturbing.

01:24:37.540 I don't think that's appropriate.

01:24:39.240 Now, you want to say something?

01:24:40.220 What's inappropriate about it?

01:24:41.180 Why is it disturbing?

01:24:43.160 Because I think the 49-year-old, like if you guys are just trying to hook up, go for it, have fun, whatever.

01:24:50.260 But I think once you start like in this scenario, because the question going back to what the actual question was, which is do you think, do I think Tobey Maguire and this 21-year-old girl, do you think, do I have, like what's my opinion on that?

01:25:01.180 I'm telling you I have an opinion of that that isn't agreeing with that dynamic because that person is now in the limelight.

01:25:08.320 They're surrounded by an environment where there's a lot of pressure.

01:25:12.520 There's all of these different scenarios that they're going to be faced with.

01:25:15.060 And they're so young.

01:25:16.260 They don't even understand what that means.

01:25:17.980 Now they're going to be painted as, you know, dating someone who could be their father, you know, in the news.

01:25:22.980 Like they don't have, like, I mean, I could just keep going.

01:25:24.760 Like I have a problem with it.

01:25:26.440 So then the same logic would apply the other way.

01:25:29.020 No, it's completely different.

01:25:30.420 Hang on.

01:25:30.980 Is it my turn?

01:25:32.200 Okay, go ahead.

01:25:32.860 I think we need a safe word, Andrew.

01:25:34.820 So I can swear, I can swear that the logic would apply the exact same here.

01:25:39.000 They're young and impressionable.

01:25:40.340 They don't know, as you say, they're left from their right, right?

01:25:42.900 They're just plucked up.

01:25:44.480 They're offered a bunch of incentives to do X thing, right?

01:25:47.820 All of these things are true.

01:25:49.320 Why is it that this woman, in this case, not even a hypothetical woman, why is it that they're incapable of judging whether or not they can date somebody with a significant age gap,

01:25:59.020 but somehow are capable of deciding whether or not, hang on, let me finish, but somehow they're capable of deciding whether or not they could sign a contract for four years of their life,

01:26:08.960 entering into a situation they also have zero experience in.

01:26:12.680 Completely different.

01:26:13.540 First of all, I did not say, you're adding in things I didn't say, so I did not say they're incapable of deciding whether they want to be in the relationship.

01:26:20.520 I already said, actually, very clearly, more power to them.

01:26:23.560 The question was if I have an opinion on it, and I do.

01:26:25.660 I think it's bad, and I don't like it.

01:26:28.420 Yeah, but you have an opinion which is informed by a worldview.

01:26:32.120 I'm speaking from experience.

01:26:34.800 A worldview.

01:26:36.520 Okay, you've got to let me finish now, remember?

01:26:38.720 We're doing this whole sharing thing.

01:26:40.020 Yeah, if it's an experience, it's your worldview.

01:26:40.960 I'm just clarifying so that you know you're speaking from a worldview, and I'm trying to investigate the worldview.

01:26:45.660 Sure, so I'm speaking from experience because I was once a young 20-year-old girl 15 years ago that was in a situation.

01:26:53.500 You guys can't be doing sidebar conversations when somebody else is talking.

01:26:57.600 Go ahead.

01:26:58.560 That was in a situation with someone significantly older than me, and it was not a good situation for multiple reasons.

01:27:05.920 There is a power dynamic difference.

01:27:07.740 I was uneducated about the person.

01:27:10.700 I didn't even know what to ask.

01:27:12.060 I didn't know what screening questions to ask.

01:27:14.120 It was an inappropriate, horrible situation, and it was a very toxic relationship.

01:27:17.900 Now, really quickly to address why I think it's so important that we separate these topics is the military is an educational system.

01:27:25.880 It is a career.

01:27:27.660 It is guided by instruction and education and purpose and mission and all of these things.

01:27:33.920 It has nothing to do with that person on the romantic level.

01:27:38.760 There's a difference between the military putting you in boots and someone trying to fuck you.

01:27:42.700 Really? Because the last time I checked, the power imbalance which exists inside of the military is such that the SA rates for women are sky high due to this power imbalance,

01:27:52.920 usually from male officers who have a significant age gap.

01:27:56.660 Far more likely to be SA'd in that than you are in an age gap relationship.

01:28:00.720 I don't agree with that.

01:28:01.800 And since you're drawing, well, how can you disagree?

01:28:04.980 One, because I have a woman in the military.

01:28:07.100 Would you like the stats?

01:28:08.020 Well, first of all, I want to know where you got the stats because a lot of people throw out stats and they're not even verified stats.

01:28:14.080 Second, I've been in the military.

01:28:15.580 Second, I've been through an SA case, et cetera.

01:28:17.560 So I know a lot about SA in the military, and I promise you it's a very small number.

01:28:21.220 It's a very small number of the military.

01:28:23.400 And now in terms of like –

01:28:25.460 Hey, hang on, hang on.

01:28:26.220 No, no, no, no, no.

01:28:26.840 I'm not done.

01:28:27.600 And in terms of like if we're comparing –

01:28:29.020 The question was whether or not a mom is going to get SA'd in the military.

01:28:31.460 I'm not done.

01:28:31.940 I'm not done.

01:28:32.380 If we're comparing rates of people who get SA'd outside of the military, it's a much higher number.

01:28:38.540 So I want to be really careful that we're not conflating the rates of SA between the military and the civilian community because they're not even close.

01:28:46.920 I was going to clarify it and I'll clarify it right now.

01:28:49.240 We're comparing the rates of SA in an age gap relationship versus the rates of SA if you're inside of the U.S. military as a female.

01:28:58.600 We're comparing those two.

01:29:00.280 Those are analogous, right?

01:29:01.620 So now we have –

01:29:04.020 Yes, because they apply to your power imbalance.

01:29:06.360 Your whole argument is about a power imbalance.

01:29:08.900 First of all, I don't have an argument.

01:29:10.080 So if you're a woman who can sign on to a power imbalance in the military and you're actually more likely to be SA'd going into the military than you are to be in an age gap relationship, which is true, then I don't understand the argument of the power imbalance.

01:29:23.000 That's what I don't get.

01:29:23.980 So, okay, first of all, I don't have an argument.

01:29:26.500 This is just my opinion, just to be clear.

01:29:28.740 I'm going to go back to that.

01:29:29.620 The question was do I agree or disagree with it?

01:29:31.280 I don't agree with it.

01:29:32.340 I don't need to prove my point to you, and I would really love to move on.

01:29:35.180 Well, I have a couple questions.

01:29:39.860 So I guess perhaps what Andrew's trying to get at.

01:29:43.560 So your issue with age gap relationship is the potential for harm.

01:29:48.220 Is that one of the issues?

01:29:50.640 Right?

01:29:51.180 There's a potential for harm to the woman.

01:29:53.320 To me, like, I think there's a lot of successful relationships with that big of an age gap.

01:29:58.000 So it's not that.

01:29:59.220 It's not, I'm not like looking out.

01:30:00.480 Well, then why else would you, I mean, if there's no potential for harm.

01:30:04.300 You okay?

01:30:05.100 Yeah, I'm good.

01:30:05.500 Thank you.

01:30:05.760 Why else, I guess, object to it if there's no potential for harm.

01:30:08.740 Your grievance with it seems to be the potential for harm to the woman.

01:30:12.660 No, I just think that I'm more focused on the older person's reasoning for why they're

01:30:20.800 seeking someone so significantly much younger.

01:30:23.140 Make a compelling argument for why a man who's 40 ought to date a 30-year-old compared to

01:30:27.440 a 20-year-old.

01:30:28.420 Like, what's in it for him?

01:30:30.640 They're much closer in age.

01:30:32.520 Like, so 10 years is appropriate to me.

01:30:34.120 I would say that's like the max.

01:30:34.920 No, no, no.

01:30:35.300 Make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits then to the man.

01:30:39.780 If your issue isn't so much the harm to the woman, make an argument as to why men ought

01:30:44.780 to date a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old.

01:30:47.820 Okay.

01:30:47.960 So one, the woman, like if you, if, if the end goal is that they're looking for successful

01:30:53.180 long-term marriage, relationship, family, kids, whatever, you would prefer to date a

01:30:57.560 35-year-old over a 25-year-old because the 35-year-old has a lot more life experience.

01:31:03.060 They're very bodies.

01:31:04.820 That's not what I mean at all.

01:31:06.180 But when you say more life experience, more trauma, more baggage, more sexual partners,

01:31:10.820 life experience, you mean, that's not what I said.

01:31:15.440 Right.

01:31:15.740 But I mean, no, you're adding in things I did not say.

01:31:17.960 But so I'm, you, okay, go ahead.

01:31:19.780 Continue with your point.

01:31:20.640 Yeah.

01:31:21.140 So I'm talking about life experiences in contrast is in what they want and what they don't want.

01:31:26.600 And I'm talking about jobs, career, where they want to live, who they want to hang out

01:31:31.000 with, um, who they want to associate with their ideology, their religion, their, whether

01:31:35.160 they're spiritual or not.

01:31:36.060 Like there, there's a lot of contrasting moments and I, which by the way, I'm not at

01:31:39.980 all talking about anything to do with relationships.

01:31:42.180 I'm specifically talking about maturity in life.

01:31:44.320 Maybe they've gone to college.

01:31:45.460 Like, you know, there's a lot of different things that will help shape the woman and

01:31:48.640 the person that they're going to become.

01:31:50.200 Okay.

01:31:50.340 So there's a, yeah, a couple of things here.

01:31:51.920 So you mentioned life experience.

01:31:53.780 Do you think a woman's life experience is high on the totem pole in terms of what men

01:31:58.700 find attractive or care about?

01:32:00.780 Uh, to be honest, high quality men would care about that.

01:32:05.040 About your life experience.

01:32:06.980 Yeah.

01:32:07.380 High quality men would care about that.

01:32:08.840 So does that include both positive life experiences and negative life experiences?

01:32:14.460 Um, you know, for some people, I think conversations that I've had with extremely high quality men,

01:32:19.760 I think they would care if you've had some contrast in your life so you can learn and

01:32:23.280 grow and, and yeah.

01:32:24.460 And how did you come to the conclusion that high quality men care about females life experiences?

01:32:30.620 Like what, how did you come to that conclusion?

01:32:32.980 They told you.

01:32:34.400 I've had a lot of extremely intelligent conversations with a lot of extremely intelligent men, uh,

01:32:38.940 uh, very high level men.

01:32:40.960 And they absolutely, if they're appropriate and they have good intent to be married, to

01:32:46.620 have a wife, to have a family, to have children, et cetera, those are the things they care about.

01:32:50.320 A woman's life experiences is, is high on the totem pole.

01:32:54.520 I can tell based on your line of questioning that you're trying to like make a point.

01:32:59.740 So just make the point.

01:33:00.860 No, but I mean, again, I'm asking you, do you think that a woman's life experiences are

01:33:06.860 high on the totem pole in terms of what men find attractive or what they value in a partner?

01:33:12.040 If they, oh, so besides physical attraction, which I think is the baseline, I think physical

01:33:15.660 attraction is absolutely the baseline, right?

01:33:17.640 Okay.

01:33:17.960 Is a 25 year old woman more physically attractive at 25 or at 35?

01:33:21.940 Um, sometimes 25, sometimes not.

01:33:23.900 If they, if they've had some work done, they're probably a little bit better.

01:33:26.040 Do you think you're 34, correct?

01:33:28.360 I'm 34.

01:33:28.760 Do you think you're more physically attractive now at 34 than you were at 24?

01:33:32.500 Yes, I do.

01:33:34.360 Okay.

01:33:36.860 We had, yeah, we had this conversation before.

01:33:38.840 You haven't seen me at 24.

01:33:39.840 You don't know what I look like at 24.

01:33:41.060 Well, I just know like sort of about aging.

01:33:43.760 Sure.

01:33:44.480 But, um, you know, the impact it has on your skin.

01:33:48.220 Yeah.

01:33:48.700 Well, I mean, we're not, your question was not about me, my, my physical body, but go ahead.

01:33:53.500 Just one quick, quick point of clarification.

01:33:55.640 I was kind of going through, I always take notes when people are speaking, right?

01:33:58.820 Cause I have a bad memory.

01:34:00.420 Um, but you did say that you didn't have any problem if they hooked up.

01:34:04.820 You only had a problem if they were in a long-term relationship.

01:34:07.280 That was really weird.

01:34:08.540 I don't understand that either.

01:34:09.940 Yeah, sure.

01:34:10.600 I was going to bring that up.

01:34:11.400 I'm happy to walk through this.

01:34:12.540 And again, guys, this is just my personal opinion.

01:34:14.800 I find it a little icky when there's an older man dating a super young woman.

01:34:18.800 It seems a little weird.

01:34:19.840 Does it give you the ick?

01:34:20.440 It gives you the ick?

01:34:21.540 It does.

01:34:22.060 Yes.

01:34:22.460 It gives me the ick.

01:34:23.160 It says give me the ick.

01:34:24.280 It gives me the ick, Andrew.

01:34:25.740 It gives you the ick.

01:34:26.520 It does.

01:34:26.980 It gives me the ick.

01:34:27.680 This is just my personal opinion.

01:34:28.860 Like I said, I...

01:34:29.900 So it's fine if they have casual sex and never talk again?

01:34:32.680 Listen, I said my personal opinion, this is just my personal opinion.

01:34:36.960 If they're just hooking up, that's their right as consenting adults.

01:34:40.080 Where I get concerned is when the older man is trying to like look at this person as like

01:34:47.160 their wife.

01:34:47.880 And this poor girl who's like 21 years old has not even experienced any life in any way,

01:34:52.940 shape, or form.

01:34:53.560 That's just not going to work out well.

01:34:55.420 That's just my opinion.

01:34:56.200 Wait, hold on.

01:34:56.700 So just to be clear, just to be clear.

01:34:58.060 Guys, I really want to move on.

01:34:59.560 Hold on, hold on.

01:34:59.580 Let me...

01:34:59.820 But okay, you said the thing, so I got to respond.

01:35:02.100 Sure.

01:35:02.260 So okay.

01:35:03.280 Just to be clear, less predatory, less bad if the guy fucks her and never talks to

01:35:08.480 her again versus...

01:35:09.540 I didn't say that.

01:35:10.680 You said if they're just hooking up and that's it.

01:35:12.780 I didn't say that.

01:35:13.220 But when the guy wants something a bit more serious, that's where you have a bit more of

01:35:16.600 an issue.

01:35:17.500 I think that them trying to date long term and like her become a wife at 21 years old

01:35:23.480 to somebody who is double or triple her age is creepy.

01:35:26.160 Good catch, unconventional man.

01:35:29.020 I think it's creepy.

01:35:29.580 He was the one who caught that.

01:35:30.900 He said...

01:35:31.240 No, I heard it.

01:35:32.140 Did you...

01:35:32.740 Wait, what?

01:35:33.000 Yeah, did you know...

01:35:33.920 Did you notice that?

01:35:34.800 And I was like, man, that's a great catch.

01:35:38.580 I couldn't believe it.

01:35:39.880 You're fine.

01:35:40.240 This is my personal opinion.

01:35:41.880 I don't need to convince you guys.

01:35:43.980 I don't need to convince you guys.

01:35:45.180 This is just my personal opinion.

01:35:46.420 I think it's icky.

01:35:47.340 I don't even...

01:35:48.660 I'm not even mad at her.

01:35:49.680 I'm just like, dude, what are you doing?

01:35:51.280 Like, go in your own age range.

01:35:52.580 Like, get a little closer.

01:35:54.100 Like, what are you doing?

01:35:54.900 It gives me the ick.

01:35:56.340 Okay, but so going back to the question at hand.

01:35:58.520 So you said that you're kind of fine with it if it's just casual, the age gap.

01:36:04.560 So if it's short term, you're fine.

01:36:06.500 It's their business.

01:36:07.220 They're consenting adults.

01:36:08.380 I just find it creepy when now you're like at a restaurant and you look next to you and

01:36:12.620 this guy's gray haired and like could be her grandfather and she looks like she just

01:36:16.960 got out of high school.

01:36:17.900 That's weird.

01:36:18.820 I find it really inappropriate.

01:36:20.440 But so just...

01:36:21.460 I'll ask the question again.

01:36:22.280 Again, you're okay if they hook up one, two or three times and then that's the extent

01:36:27.160 of it, but you're not okay if the man is desirous of a long term.

01:36:31.280 I'm not okay with that at all on a personal level, but I'm saying it's their business.

01:36:35.160 I'm saying it's their business.

01:36:36.340 I don't need you to understand this.

01:36:38.320 So isn't it also their business if it's a long term?

01:36:40.220 I'm not trying to convince you.

01:36:40.560 I'm not trying to convince you.

01:36:41.740 That's cool.

01:36:42.460 I'm just ready to...

01:36:43.300 But I'm asking for clarification.

01:36:45.020 Yeah.

01:36:45.180 Okay.

01:36:45.740 So you're fine with it or more fine with it if it's short term, but if the guy's desirous

01:36:51.120 of long term, that's your...

01:36:52.780 I'm saying it's none of my business, but you know, like if they're having sex, they're consenting.

01:36:56.180 Wouldn't that be none of your business if it's a long term?

01:36:59.220 You asked me my opinion on seeing the news of Tobey Maguire dating someone double his

01:37:05.960 age.

01:37:06.460 I said, I don't like it.

01:37:09.520 Right.

01:37:10.080 But you made a statement.

01:37:11.500 I'll repeat myself one more time.

01:37:13.280 Sure.

01:37:13.720 You made a statement where you said you don't really care or you don't mind if it's just

01:37:17.960 kind of casual.

01:37:18.900 They're just hooking up.

01:37:20.420 Do you recall saying that?

01:37:21.380 I do.

01:37:21.940 Okay.

01:37:22.260 And I did.

01:37:22.620 So then that would seem to imply that you do have an issue then if it's more long term,

01:37:28.520 if the older man's desirous of having a long term relationship with her.

01:37:32.480 Whereas if he's just like, eh, sees her at the club, wants to fuck, then that's kind of,

01:37:38.080 that's cool.

01:37:38.480 And she's a consenting adult, et cetera.

01:37:40.100 But where it gets weird for me is like, and this is for all young men and women, they're

01:37:43.880 going to go through a few bodies as they're exploiting a lot of people in general, right?

01:37:48.000 Not everyone.

01:37:48.840 Some people don't, but like, I think that that's normal.

01:37:51.760 That's normal.

01:37:52.620 That's normal.

01:37:53.120 It happens for guys.

01:37:53.840 More baggage.

01:37:54.520 So then Brian's right.

01:37:55.420 It's more, more, more life experience means more body count.

01:37:58.260 But if you're asking me specifically in that scenario, but I'm just saying, I don't think

01:38:01.800 that that guy should be like getting married to someone who's triple younger than him.

01:38:06.580 What if they did for five years and now she's, she's 20.

01:38:09.220 Now she's 25.

01:38:10.740 Yeah.

01:38:11.180 Too young for Leo.

01:38:12.160 I'm just done, Brian.

01:38:13.320 I'm done with this topic.

01:38:14.340 Too old.

01:38:14.820 Sorry.

01:38:15.140 Too old.

01:38:15.420 I don't like it.

01:38:16.180 I don't need you.

01:38:16.620 I don't need you.

01:38:17.200 Yeah.

01:38:17.360 But you, you said another thing and now I'm trying to get to the bottom of the thing that you

01:38:21.760 said, you asked me my opinion.

01:38:23.300 I gave you my opinion.

01:38:24.320 I don't like it.

01:38:25.180 Well, I'm asking for clarification.

01:38:26.800 I don't need you to prove me right or wrong.

01:38:28.180 I'm just trying to prove you right or wrong.

01:38:29.460 I'm asking.

01:38:29.920 You can't even answer the question.

01:38:31.340 Well, I understand.

01:38:32.180 I understand.

01:38:32.620 I understand.

01:38:32.980 I understand you're trying to give your opinion.

01:38:34.180 You keep saying, I'm giving my opinion, but opinions are based on some sort of logical

01:38:38.100 reasoning.

01:38:38.820 Now, all we're trying to, all Brian and Andrew are trying to do is try to figure out what

01:38:43.660 is that logical reasoning behind it?

01:38:46.420 Because if there is no logical reasoning behind it, maybe your opinion should change.

01:38:50.560 I'm going to engage in your opinion.

01:38:51.560 Yeah, that's true.

01:38:52.500 I'm going to engage in your opinion.

01:38:54.100 That's, that's correct.

01:38:55.160 Yes, you're right.

01:38:55.800 Andrew, I just, I don't like it.

01:38:57.240 I don't like it.

01:38:57.740 You don't like it when I engage in your opinion?

01:38:59.340 No, I'm talking about the dynamic.

01:39:01.740 I just don't like it.

01:39:04.300 Maybe like, okay, that's fair.

01:39:06.200 Guys, move on.

01:39:07.500 Move on.

01:39:08.220 Hold on.

01:39:08.960 Hold on.

01:39:09.900 Hold on.

01:39:10.780 Just to be clear.

01:39:11.580 If I want to talk about this for the next five hours, we're going to talk about it for

01:39:15.300 the next five hours.

01:39:16.180 It is Brian's show.

01:39:17.980 Now, I'm not inclined to talk about it for the next five hours, but if you wanted to

01:39:22.480 move on, instead of kind of attempting to obfuscate and derail, you could just like.

01:39:27.620 There was no derailing or obfuscating.

01:39:28.860 I'm just saying I'm done talking about it.

01:39:29.680 Yeah, you could just like answer the question.

01:39:31.120 But I did.

01:39:31.900 No, you just kind of say, I already answered the question.

01:39:34.580 Now move on.

01:39:35.340 Okay, Brian, you've been in a bad mood since everybody showed up.

01:39:38.060 Yes, I have been in a bad mood.

01:39:38.860 Yeah, and you're taking it out on me right now.

01:39:40.480 I'm not taking it out on you.

01:39:41.780 You are.

01:39:42.320 I would engage with you just like this, regardless.

01:39:45.840 If I had the most smooth pre-show, I would have engaged with you just like this, regardless.

01:39:51.440 So that has nothing to do with the fact.

01:39:51.900 No, you'd be a little bit nicer.

01:39:53.180 No, no, I can attest.

01:39:55.060 Brian would do the exact same thing.

01:39:56.380 This is not my first time here.

01:39:57.200 I would engage with you.

01:39:58.160 This is my ninth time here.

01:39:59.940 I'll ask one final question, then I will move it on.

01:40:02.380 So just as a point of clarification, can you answer?

01:40:05.400 You said you don't object if it's older man, younger woman, and they're just hooking up.

01:40:10.080 It's their business.

01:40:10.660 But you do object, older man, younger woman, serious long-term monogamous relationship.

01:40:17.560 I would look at that older man, and I would wonder what is going on with his mental health

01:40:23.140 that he needs to date someone who is young enough to be his daughter.

01:40:25.700 So he's mentally, now older men are mentally ill for being attracted to young adult women?

01:40:29.180 Yeah, that's creepy.

01:40:30.080 It's creepy.

01:40:31.020 No, it's a mental illness.

01:40:31.840 I think so.

01:40:32.360 You think it's a mental illness for men to be attracted to, like, a stacked 21-year-old?

01:40:36.920 Like, giant fucking titties, big fucking asses?

01:40:39.580 I don't need you to agree with me, Brian.

01:40:40.140 You think it's a mental illness?

01:40:41.440 No, no, Brian, Brian, stop.

01:40:43.160 It's only a mental illness if they want to date him.

01:40:45.440 It's fine to fuck him.

01:40:46.500 No, I'm telling you, I don't care.

01:40:48.860 It's just my opinion.

01:40:49.860 It's my opinion.

01:40:50.660 All right.

01:40:51.200 All right, all right.

01:40:51.900 Hang on.

01:40:52.220 Let's lighten the mood.

01:40:53.000 We'll lighten the mood, all right?

01:40:53.980 Like, here's me throwing you a bone.

01:40:55.620 You want to sing the I Just Got the Ick song?

01:40:58.420 I Just Got the Ick.

01:41:00.540 Come on.

01:41:01.000 You can sing it with me.

01:41:01.700 It is the Ick.

01:41:02.460 It's so gross.

01:41:03.360 It's got the Ick?

01:41:04.000 It's so gross.

01:41:05.120 What are you doing dating your grandfather?

01:41:09.900 I know.

01:41:10.440 It's so gross to that chick to do that.

01:41:11.960 So, just to be clear, your position is men are mentally ill for desiring young adult women.

01:41:19.040 So, like, 21-year-old women.

01:41:20.900 It's mental illness.

01:41:21.840 It's like, yeah, why would you want to date your daughter?

01:41:24.920 What?

01:41:25.420 Well, he's not dating his daughter.

01:41:27.020 He's dating, not dating.

01:41:28.520 Okay, okay.

01:41:29.440 Wait, wait, wait.

01:41:30.040 I can get...

01:41:30.460 Hold on, hold on.

01:41:31.000 Go ahead.

01:41:31.280 Go ahead.

01:41:31.940 I just want to clarify your position.

01:41:33.820 You originally said mental health, right?

01:41:35.560 You were like, it raises mental health concerns.

01:41:37.640 Yeah.

01:41:37.940 I agree with that.

01:41:38.880 And you're using the term mental health illness.

01:41:41.000 Those are two very different things.

01:41:42.700 You can have mental health symptoms.

01:41:45.920 Okay, so articulate what she's trying to say when she says it's a mental health thing.

01:41:51.500 Yo, Peo.

01:41:52.360 Thank you for the rate, man.

01:41:53.200 Appreciate it.

01:41:54.140 Thank you, Peo.

01:41:54.580 Okay, so what mental health concern is there for a man to be attracted to a 21-year-old adult

01:42:03.540 woman?

01:42:04.680 What is the mental health...

01:42:05.900 This isn't my point.

01:42:06.180 I was just asking a clarifying question.

01:42:08.600 That's all I was doing.

01:42:09.440 So you're trying to differentiate between mental health and mental illness?

01:42:12.160 I was wondering if you were using the same terminology for mental health and mental illness.

01:42:15.660 It's okay if you are.

01:42:16.360 I'm pretty sure they're interchangeable.

01:42:18.060 It was like, first of all, it was an off-the-cuff comment, so it's not that serious, number one.

01:42:23.900 But number two, I said I would be concerned about their mental health.

01:42:30.140 Why are they dating someone?

01:42:31.740 And hear me out for a second before you jump in.

01:42:34.220 There's a lot of men out there who are dating women, sometimes younger or the same age as

01:42:40.900 their daughters.

01:42:41.920 Oh, okay.

01:42:42.640 And because that's where the daughter comment came in because you said, well, it's not his

01:42:47.160 daughter, that are about the same age.

01:42:48.860 Why would you want to date someone?

01:42:50.420 First of all, I have a 15-year-old son.

01:42:52.140 I would never, five years from now, when he's 20, I would never do a 20-year-old.

01:42:57.500 Okay, I actually have a rebuttal to this.

01:42:59.420 So you're saying that any characteristic which a child possesses, you must not then date a

01:43:11.080 person who possesses the characteristic of your child.

01:43:15.780 No, I didn't say that.

01:43:16.640 If the skin color of your child is white, how dare you date somebody who's the same

01:43:21.960 skin color as your child.

01:43:23.840 Right, but that's the logical.

01:43:25.220 I didn't say that.

01:43:25.480 Yes, I know that's not what you said, but do you understand how I'm trying to make a

01:43:30.320 comparison here?

01:43:31.060 You're saying that if there's a trait that your child possesses, it then becomes weird

01:43:37.940 and creepy if you date somebody who possesses the same trait.

01:43:41.960 So for example, if your child has blue eyes, you are then a predator for dating somebody

01:43:45.660 who has blue eyes.

01:43:46.640 That's your argument though.

01:43:47.680 No, it's not.

01:43:48.380 Dude, do you really think that's what I'm saying?

01:43:50.760 Do you genuinely think that I'm saying that that's what you said?

01:43:53.920 You literally just said that in your logic, any type of characteristic that that person

01:44:01.620 possesses.

01:44:02.360 Okay, but are you saying that I said, are you saying that I said that you said it verbatim?

01:44:07.560 I'm saying, cause you're, you're saying.

01:44:09.060 Of course, I know you didn't say what I just said.

01:44:11.960 But you're basically elaborating on something and taking it down a road.

01:44:15.280 I didn't even, that wasn't even a spot in my mind.

01:44:17.700 I don't understand this, this comparison.

01:44:20.220 He's drawing a parallel comparison.

01:44:22.300 Like they're comparable.

01:44:23.280 Or we could just stay on what I actually said.

01:44:25.340 So like, I look at you being 21 years old as, oh my God, let me take you under my wing.

01:44:29.500 Let me help you out.

01:44:30.440 Let me like, let me take care of you.

01:44:32.280 But why does she need that?

01:44:33.340 No, it's, I think I, I do agree.

01:44:36.020 Okay.

01:44:36.160 That's what you do to the generation below you.

01:44:38.120 I have a question.

01:44:39.100 I have a question.

01:44:39.760 Do you think, do you think a 30 year old man is mentally ill if they found her physically

01:44:45.100 attractive?

01:44:45.700 There's a 10, less than 10 year age difference.

01:44:47.280 That's a weird question.

01:44:47.900 Less than 10 years.

01:44:48.420 Do you think they're mentally ill?

01:44:49.380 If they found her physically attractive, there's a less than 10 years age difference.

01:44:52.880 Okay.

01:44:52.900 35.

01:44:54.400 I would be concerned.

01:44:55.440 Like, dude, what are you doing with a 21 year old?

01:44:57.200 Yeah.

01:44:57.500 I want to go back to your comment about young people being sponges.

01:45:01.160 I do agree with that.

01:45:02.440 Your prefrontal cortex doesn't develop.

01:45:04.500 Fake news.

01:45:04.940 Start developing until you're 25.

01:45:06.020 Okay.

01:45:06.480 So should, so should, so then people, yeah, it's been debunked.

01:45:10.260 So should people be voting then?

01:45:13.360 Nope.

01:45:13.740 Should you be, should you be able to vote at that age?

01:45:16.620 No.

01:45:17.400 Hold on.

01:45:17.820 Hold on.

01:45:18.080 Go ahead.

01:45:19.560 Should you be able to vote?

01:45:24.440 I think that given our current political system and how one vote, I think that's a hard

01:45:30.760 one.

01:45:31.100 I think that, hold on.

01:45:36.400 Okay.

01:45:36.560 So let me ask you a question.

01:45:37.340 Okay.

01:45:38.020 So with your vote, you could elect a representative, a president, congressman, represent, whatever

01:45:45.600 it is, who could send us to war, which could lead to a nuclear holocaust.

01:45:53.200 Do you think that that's a bigger issue than being able to have a romantic sexual relationship

01:46:00.480 with a man who's 20 years old, 10, 20 years older than you?

01:46:04.720 I think that's a very interesting comparison to draw between those two nations.

01:46:08.720 Well, hold on.

01:46:09.220 But with your vote, with your vote, you can, you can, okay, with your vote, you can empower

01:46:15.020 a representative who could send us to war, who could, that could result in conceivably

01:46:21.520 the, uh, some sort of, uh, catastrophic scenario where the, there's nuclear war.

01:46:27.460 Do you think my vote individually would have that much of an impact?

01:46:31.160 One individual vote?

01:46:32.020 Yes.

01:46:32.060 Yes, it does.

01:46:32.560 The election sometimes can come down to just two or 3,000 votes.

01:46:36.300 Sometimes they can come down to just 20,000 votes.

01:46:39.180 Yes, definitely your vote matters a great deal.

01:46:42.840 So what Brian's ultimate point here is, is if your prefrontal cortex is not developed until

01:46:47.880 you're 25 and you can't make rational decisions on who you will end up with, only a person with

01:46:53.880 a prefrontal cortex, which is fully developed, can.

01:46:56.200 Then why would we give you the rights to do drive, vote, participate in, in signing contracts

01:47:01.920 like the military, things like that.

01:47:03.700 You're basically saying that you're not, you don't have the cognitive ability to make

01:47:08.960 the decision to date older men, but you have the cognitive ability to run the nation.

01:47:13.040 And it's just in that.

01:47:14.380 And that's where the comparison is where you're like, what?

01:47:17.480 Well, it's not even, it's not even make the cognitive decision to date older men.

01:47:21.240 It's making the cognitive decision to make any wise dating decisions whatsoever.

01:47:27.540 So should, should people before the age of 25 be dating at all?

01:47:32.140 But we're so far from the actual question.

01:47:33.960 Because they can't make logical decisions until they turn 25.

01:47:36.760 We're so far from the actual question.

01:47:38.100 You asked me my opinion on what I thought about 21 year old, but now we're down like voting,

01:47:42.920 the military.

01:47:43.460 The topic shifted off of you because she brought up the prefrontal cortex argument.

01:47:51.440 This is a very common feminist argument happens often.

01:47:54.780 And I'm fine with the argument.

01:47:56.860 I just am only fine with it.

01:47:58.600 If we can agree on the entailments of what that means.

01:48:00.960 It's like, if you're saying that a person's pre a woman's prefrontal cortex is not fully

01:48:05.520 developed till 25.

01:48:06.460 And because of that, she's not making good rational decisions about who she can or can't

01:48:11.900 date, then why would we let her make rational decisions about other things?

01:48:15.480 I just, yeah, she probably doesn't, like young people don't even understand what it means.

01:48:20.240 She has a voice.

01:48:20.880 She has a voice.

01:48:21.420 She can speak.

01:48:21.940 I promise.

01:48:22.120 I'm not talking about her.

01:48:23.680 Yeah.

01:48:24.080 I'm talking about her.

01:48:24.500 I'm talking about the woman, the girl in this scenario.

01:48:27.660 I'm not talking about her.

01:48:28.220 I'll let you finish.

01:48:29.400 No, you go ahead.

01:48:29.980 You're good.

01:48:30.220 That's okay.

01:48:30.620 I wasn't even talking about you.

01:48:31.660 No, you're all good.

01:48:32.300 I knew you weren't.

01:48:32.960 You're all good.

01:48:33.340 Um, I think that is an interesting question to pose.

01:48:37.320 I think that it also does come to the fact that I pay taxes currently.

01:48:41.680 Do you?

01:48:42.480 Yes, I do.

01:48:43.360 I pay taxes.

01:48:44.200 I work.

01:48:45.180 I have had multiple jobs.

01:48:47.020 I pay taxes.

01:48:48.280 And I do think that under a democracy, I do think that my vote, I do think I kind of,

01:48:54.740 even if my prefrontal cortex hasn't developed fully.

01:48:58.440 Go ahead, Andrew.

01:48:59.220 15 and 16 year olds pay taxes.

01:49:02.100 I'm not 15.

01:49:04.280 I know, but 15 and 16 year olds pay taxes.

01:49:07.100 So that would mean that by the entailment of that, 15 and 16 year olds should be able

01:49:10.880 to vote.

01:49:10.900 We should just go back to the question.

01:49:12.060 Right?

01:49:12.620 The original question.

01:49:16.360 What?

01:49:17.280 I said, I really just think we should all just go back to the original question.

01:49:20.460 Yeah, I know.

01:49:21.620 But why?

01:49:22.500 I'm sorry.

01:49:23.180 I know that the attention is not 100% focused on you right this second, but we're having

01:49:26.900 a conversation with somebody else because I'm curious about the worldview here as well.

01:49:31.280 If you say, oh, I pay taxes, so I should be able to vote.

01:49:34.160 Okay.

01:49:34.620 That makes sense.

01:49:35.960 But then that would apply to all taxpayers, which would include 14, 15, 16 year olds have

01:49:40.320 part-time jobs.

01:49:41.060 They pay taxes.

01:49:42.060 Should they be able to vote?

01:49:44.640 No.

01:49:47.340 There's a question for you.

01:49:49.860 I know.

01:49:50.440 I'm taking a moment to think.

01:49:52.400 Sure.

01:49:52.980 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:53.280 No problem.

01:50:06.740 I personally don't think that I would be able to give an answer on that right now.

01:50:10.280 I don't know.

01:50:10.800 I think that I'd have to think about it longer.

01:50:12.240 And I think that we shouldn't go on to the next person and keep discussing.

01:50:16.060 I was simply just trying to add on that I agreed with one of your earlier points, and

01:50:21.820 I respect your opinion.

01:50:23.400 I was only trying to do that, and that has led us down a million gajillion rabbit holes.

01:50:27.500 And I think that we should continue moving around.

01:50:32.980 Are you just conceding the point then?

01:50:35.540 Well, there's no point to concede to.

01:50:37.020 You asked me my opinion.

01:50:38.020 I gave you my opinion.

01:50:39.120 And you guys, like, vultures, are like, hold on.

01:50:42.080 Let's talk about the military and voting and all these other things.

01:50:44.540 I just said it gave me the ick.

01:50:46.540 I don't like it.

01:50:47.560 And I don't need you to agree or disagree.

01:50:51.620 Well, I think the whole...

01:50:52.540 What do you mean, like, vultures?

01:50:55.040 Andrew.

01:50:55.360 You've just been asking questions one of the time.

01:50:57.460 You and I have done this before.

01:51:00.800 Oh, you mean when I was in a room where I was outnumbered nine to one?

01:51:04.180 You're not outnumbered ever.

01:51:04.880 Did I traumatize you in a room where I was outnumbered nine to one?

01:51:07.600 You never traumatized me.

01:51:08.760 Really?

01:51:09.100 Are you serious?

01:51:10.080 Andrew, you're not outnumbered.

01:51:12.060 Did that show you outnumbered nine to one and I was the vulture?

01:51:15.700 Like, what?

01:51:16.540 No, I didn't say that.

01:51:17.800 And you weren't outnumbered at all.

01:51:19.200 There was, like, five guys on that show.

01:51:21.300 No, there wasn't.

01:51:22.320 There was the host.

01:51:23.740 And the host stayed silent for the entirety of the show, except Sartain and moved it on.

01:51:27.500 There were five guys on that show.

01:51:27.720 And it was me and one other guest.

01:51:29.220 It was me and one other guest.

01:51:30.880 No, there was Michael.

01:51:32.980 Yeah, the host.

01:51:33.760 Those are the hosts.

01:51:34.620 They didn't say shit the whole show.

01:51:36.700 They didn't say anything the whole show.

01:51:38.020 That doesn't mean they weren't there.

01:51:39.280 It was all women versus two guys.

01:51:42.180 And the other guy barely said anything.

01:51:43.780 So I don't know how we were the vultures, but okay.

01:51:49.660 All right.

01:51:50.280 Well, I do want to get the other panelists in on this.

01:51:53.200 So back to the original thing.

01:51:54.820 Toby McGuire, your thoughts.

01:51:56.720 Thank you.

01:51:57.140 No, I'm trying to reel it all up.

01:52:03.680 You had a lot of time to think about it.

01:52:06.020 Yeah, I know.

01:52:06.760 It's a lot at once.

01:52:07.920 Okay, he's 49.

01:52:08.760 She's 20.

01:52:09.560 Your thoughts.

01:52:10.200 I believe it's anybody's opinion against their own because I have been and I have known people

01:52:18.300 in age gap relationships or casualties to where I'm like, I know one couple that is still

01:52:26.120 together to this day.

01:52:28.160 I believe she's 18 and he's 40.

01:52:31.500 And they've been together for, I think it's 20.

01:52:38.140 I might have the age difference up.

01:52:39.520 They met.

01:52:40.460 But they met.

01:52:41.120 When she was 18.

01:52:43.280 Yes.

01:52:43.840 And he was 40.

01:52:44.860 I'm usually here.

01:52:46.140 She's 20.

01:52:46.720 She's 20.

01:52:47.260 I think we can all agree.

01:52:51.960 We object to that.

01:52:55.120 It's a consensual relationship.

01:52:58.880 I have been to their place to where I'm like, they pretty much act like an old married couple.

01:53:04.880 So when they met, she was 18 and he was 40.

01:53:08.140 Yes.

01:53:08.560 Okay.

01:53:09.380 But in terms of reality check donated $200.

01:53:14.460 So the old lady basically called all men mentally ill.

01:53:18.940 Congratulations.

01:53:20.420 Now all your potential partners are mentally ill.

01:53:23.940 Have fun with that.

01:53:25.200 It's actually true because most men are attracted to young adult women.

01:53:28.320 Yeah.

01:53:28.580 Well, what about if it's the opposite?

01:53:30.540 What happens if the women go after the men?

01:53:33.100 Yeah, that's fine.

01:53:33.880 Just let me clarify again.

01:53:35.460 First of all, I did not say that if they're attracted to younger women is a problem.

01:53:41.160 I said if they're pursuing someone the same age as their daughter, that's weird.

01:53:46.220 That's weird.

01:53:46.940 And I would be concerned.

01:53:48.200 Let me ask you a question.

01:53:49.060 Let's say there's a 50-year-old man with a daughter and a 50-year-old man without a daughter.

01:53:53.280 Is there any differentiation there?

01:53:54.860 No.

01:53:55.280 I feel like that generational.

01:53:56.920 But they're the same age.

01:53:57.520 I don't understand.

01:53:57.980 I think like a 20-year gap is so massive.

01:54:00.780 No, answer the question.

01:54:01.240 Answer the question.

01:54:01.720 What is your question?

01:54:02.400 What's the actual question?

01:54:03.200 A 50-year-old man without a daughter and a 50-year-old man with a daughter.

01:54:07.260 They're the same age.

01:54:08.460 Do you object to them both?

01:54:09.780 Yes.

01:54:10.020 But he doesn't have a daughter.

01:54:12.780 I'm saying that large of an age gap.

01:54:16.380 It could be the daughter's age.

01:54:17.820 That large of an age gap is gross to me.

01:54:20.740 It's gross.

01:54:22.480 And going back to the mentally ill thing, I don't need you to agree with me.

01:54:26.520 I don't need you to agree with me.

01:54:27.720 Okay, so it's a mental illness though for men to be attracted to like a 21-year-old.

01:54:32.720 Not to be attracted.

01:54:34.060 But why are you dating her?

01:54:36.320 Why are you dating her?

01:54:37.260 Yeah, absolutely.

01:54:37.940 I think it's weird.

01:54:38.940 My last follow-up that I have on this.

01:54:40.260 And then I agree.

01:54:40.840 We've kind of beaten the dead horse, right?

01:54:42.140 Yeah, I think it's weird.

01:54:42.520 My last follow-up, would you ever accept for me the argument that I do not condone LGBTQ because I find it to be gross?

01:54:51.140 Would you ever say that that's okay?

01:54:53.320 That's your opinion.

01:54:54.780 That's your opinion.

01:54:55.640 So like if you –

01:54:56.940 Yeah, you wouldn't question my opinion though.

01:54:58.560 If I wanted to vote to legislate it or things like that, then would you oppose it?

01:55:03.200 It's not my –

01:55:03.740 Then would I have to have justifications for it?

01:55:05.660 It's your vote.

01:55:06.420 You can do whatever you want with your vote.

01:55:08.560 So you wouldn't even question it.

01:55:09.740 You would just say no problem.

01:55:10.580 It's just your opinion.

01:55:11.360 If you have a problem with it or not, I have a problem with it.

01:55:12.860 So what if somebody said that they didn't like other races because they find it icky?

01:55:16.920 Would you say anything about their opinion then?

01:55:20.180 Again, I'm talking about my opinion here.

01:55:22.680 I'm talking about my opinion.

01:55:23.680 So you have no opinions about anybody else's opinions even if you disagree with them?

01:55:27.680 I didn't say I had an issue with them being attracted to younger women.

01:55:30.520 I said I have an issue with them pursuing the younger women.

01:55:33.200 You don't really answer questions.

01:55:34.460 Yeah, I know because it gives you the ick.

01:55:34.880 But if the argument is just it's the ick.

01:55:36.580 Ask your question, Brian, because I just did.

01:55:37.980 But if the argument is just it gives you the ick, then I don't know.

01:55:42.200 Couldn't I use that argument for basically any form of discrimination I could ever think of?

01:55:47.160 Sure.

01:55:47.480 And would you have anything to say about that or would you just be like, oh, that's fine.

01:55:50.860 It's your opinion.

01:55:51.380 Well, I didn't come to argue, first and foremost.

01:55:53.320 I didn't come to argue or debate.

01:55:55.680 You didn't come on to an adversarial dating show to argue?

01:55:57.580 I did not come to argue, so that's why I'm saying we should.

01:56:01.300 Well, did you just come to monologue?

01:56:03.600 I came to have a conversation not to argue.

01:56:05.440 That's what we're doing.

01:56:06.240 No, we're not.

01:56:06.680 That conversation has become adversarial.

01:56:08.800 No, we're not.

01:56:10.220 When you guys are laughing, rolling your eyes, like making statements and comments that basically try to invalidate my opinion and things like that.

01:56:17.820 Wait, wait, hang on.

01:56:20.100 Yes, it's okay for me to make arguments that invalidate your opinion if I disagree with it, one.

01:56:24.720 And two, do you think that we have a monopoly on eye-rolling in this conversation?

01:56:29.500 Really?

01:56:32.320 If you're having just like a regular conversation, there's a respect level where you're exchanging ideas, but that's not what's happening here.

01:56:38.420 What is happening here?

01:56:39.980 It's like three, four people at a time jumping in to like basically invalidate that person's opinion.

01:56:46.540 Yeah, what if their opinion's wrong?

01:56:47.900 And you want it invalidated?

01:56:48.960 Like, for instance, if you were a racist who just said, I don't like X race because I find it icky.

01:56:54.220 What would be wrong with four of us jumping in and going back and forth with that person one at a time in order to invalidate a bad opinion?

01:57:01.760 They're two completely different topics.

01:57:03.900 No, the logic is exactly the same.

01:57:05.720 It's not the same.

01:57:06.360 It's the justification of ick.

01:57:08.260 They're different topics, but the logic is the same.

01:57:10.380 The justification of ick is ick.

01:57:11.680 Yeah.

01:57:12.100 That's it.

01:57:12.560 Anyways, did you give an answer?

01:57:19.980 Yes.

01:57:20.580 Did we give an answer?

01:57:22.040 Yes.

01:57:23.040 What was it?

01:57:24.340 I think it's to each their own as long as they're consenting adults.

01:57:29.220 Okay.

01:57:29.420 So no issues with Tobey Maguire, 49, dating 20-year-old Lily?

01:57:33.400 No.

01:57:33.860 Okay.

01:57:34.360 Your thoughts?

01:57:35.780 Yeah.

01:57:36.380 I don't have...

01:57:37.320 I don't think that's weird or anything like that.

01:57:39.640 I mean...

01:57:39.820 Okay.

01:57:39.980 You're fine with it?

01:57:40.680 I don't care.

01:57:43.640 They're adults.

01:57:44.860 They want to do...

01:57:45.300 Wait, can you just scoot your mic to the edge of the table?

01:57:48.100 They're adults.

01:57:48.760 They can do what they want to do.

01:57:49.920 She's 21.

01:57:50.720 Apparently, it's an adult.

01:57:52.260 You should probably scoot your chair in, so...

01:57:56.580 No problem with it.

01:57:59.060 I could not care less.

01:58:00.280 Women tend to mature quicker than men, anyways.

01:58:02.980 I would not date anybody my age.

01:58:05.760 Do you guys just show up...

01:58:07.400 Just show up...

01:58:08.280 What about their Abdullah Oblongata?

01:58:09.980 I mean, their prefrontal cortex, though.

01:58:12.220 Did you ever think about that?

01:58:13.580 What about their prefrontal cortex?

01:58:15.580 Never even thought about that, did you?

01:58:17.300 No.

01:58:17.400 You just thought, well, they mature faster.

01:58:20.500 So it's fine.

01:58:20.780 See, that's not having a conversation, Brian.

01:58:23.060 That's where...

01:58:23.500 Now you're being addicted to her.

01:58:24.460 That was me making a joke.

01:58:25.240 And you see how she laughed.

01:58:26.340 I know that you're allergic to laughter...

01:58:28.380 It's not a joke.

01:58:28.640 ...and having any sort of a good time.

01:58:30.100 But, you know, it was clearly a joke.

01:58:32.100 That's where you're, like, being disrespectful.

01:58:34.220 That was the opposite of disrespect.

01:58:35.880 I was making fun of you by laughing with her.

01:58:39.660 I didn't say anything about those prefrontal, but...

01:58:42.680 Yeah.

01:58:43.240 Hmm.

01:58:44.440 Okay.

01:58:45.380 Do you have any further thoughts on that?

01:58:47.300 Yeah, no.

01:58:47.840 Tell me if I'm going to go out here.

01:58:48.820 I think there are other reasons besides mental illness that a man would be interested in

01:58:53.940 dating someone who's younger.

01:58:55.120 My roommate and I discuss this topic regularly, where we don't want to date someone who's

01:59:02.620 over the age of, like, 30, 31, 32.

01:59:06.140 Because, one, they all have all of this extra life baggage.

01:59:10.100 Like, why are you...

01:59:11.220 Why have you matured now?

01:59:13.160 What took you so long in your life to be like, okay, now I'm going to start considering marriage

01:59:18.080 specifically?

01:59:19.220 Two, I'm wondering, am I going to be able to actually have a family with you?

01:59:24.500 I know women have a clock, and it's ticking.

01:59:27.500 I want to have a bunch of kids.

01:59:29.180 I want to have a large family.

01:59:30.800 That's really important to me.

01:59:32.640 I don't want to spend the first five to ten years of my marriage deprogramming all of that

01:59:38.800 emotional baggage, all of that trauma, all of that, whatever word you want to use, whatever

01:59:43.840 buzzword, I don't want to have to spend all that time doing that at the same time as trying

01:59:49.960 to raise a family, maybe having your emotional trauma baggage poured into the kids, into those

01:59:56.500 impressionable minds.

01:59:57.500 I don't want to have to deal with that.

01:59:58.640 So I understand why a man, any age, whether that's 49, whether that's 20, would want to

02:00:05.100 date a woman who's a little younger.

02:00:06.680 It makes sense.

02:00:07.380 And there are other reasons besides mental illness that they would want to do so.

02:00:13.380 Okay.

02:00:15.020 Do you want to walk back the mental illness thing, or you're pretty confident?

02:00:18.540 I said that I'd be wondering what's going on with them mentally, that they would be attracted

02:00:23.100 to someone 20 years their junior.

02:00:25.960 So no, I'm not walking back.

02:00:27.120 So it is attracted.

02:00:28.960 Because before you said dated, but you just said if they're attracted.

02:00:33.440 So just by virtue of being attracted to a 21-year-old woman.

02:00:37.380 Listen, I'll go in a little bit further here, okay?

02:00:40.440 When I have conversations with people that are 20 years younger than me, or let's say,

02:00:45.300 you know, just to keep it like at 20, right?

02:00:48.460 Sorry, what?

02:00:48.960 I'm looking at them as like, they're immature.

02:00:54.100 They're not experienced in any way, shape, or form.

02:00:56.800 They're vulnerable.

02:00:58.160 They're impressionable, right?

02:00:59.180 Their eyes wide open, deer in the headlight, right?

02:01:01.480 To me, if a man is 20 years older, and by the way, somebody said in here that chat right there,

02:01:05.800 like 30.

02:01:06.820 30 is appropriate.

02:01:07.540 But I'm talking about early 20s.

02:01:09.960 They're barely out of high school.

02:01:11.840 And if you're going to consider like, one, being with them, having a relationship with

02:01:16.120 them, settling down with them, et cetera, like, you're preying on them.

02:01:20.500 It's like, they're not even on the same level as you.

02:01:23.980 Like, what do you have in common with someone 20 years your junior?

02:01:26.820 They probably can't even name a pop artist from your generation.

02:01:30.000 Okay, so there's a whole lot there.

02:01:32.060 You said prey.

02:01:33.200 You mentioned the commonality thing.

02:01:35.100 Okay, what in general do men and women have in common to begin with that would be sufficient

02:01:43.920 enough to just on the basis of having a commonality would be like, I'm wanting to date this person

02:01:50.080 just on the basis of us having shit in common.

02:01:54.520 Said no one ever.

02:01:56.020 That's not true, Brian.

02:01:57.020 Literally not true.

02:01:58.100 Brian, have you ever known a guy who you had the most in common with, but you didn't

02:02:04.080 end up dating them?

02:02:05.720 Yes.

02:02:06.400 I mean, I have friends that I have a lot in common with that we didn't date because

02:02:10.320 there's chemistry and sexual attraction.

02:02:12.140 It's clear, but would you agree?

02:02:13.580 It's clear then that having commonalities is not high up in the totem pole of what matters.

02:02:20.360 I disagree.

02:02:20.960 I disagree.

02:02:21.320 You mentioned pop artists.

02:02:22.480 I don't give a fuck what kind of music a girl listens to.

02:02:26.840 And if she's dating me long enough, she's going to like my shit.

02:02:30.680 That's so weird that you would suggest that she would have to like your shit.

02:02:34.680 That's not what I said.

02:02:36.200 But she will.

02:02:37.160 That's not what I said.

02:02:38.120 But she will.

02:02:39.600 She'll like it eventually.

02:02:40.820 I just disagree.

02:02:42.680 I just think a 20-year age gap is wild.

02:02:45.080 That's true.

02:02:45.100 Right, but you said pop artists.

02:02:46.500 I brought it up as an example.

02:02:48.200 Okay, fine.

02:02:48.540 Like it's just a random example.

02:02:50.200 So then cultural touchstones.

02:02:52.240 Oh, we watch the same shows.

02:02:54.760 We both listen to the same music.

02:02:57.000 I don't care.

02:02:58.280 I think having things in common, if all you care about is your sexual attraction, period,

02:03:02.480 and that's where you end it.

02:03:03.100 No, that's not even it.

02:03:03.700 I just want to clarify.

02:03:04.920 I just want to clarify.

02:03:05.360 But just to clarify, I think liking the same music is far more superficial than what you're

02:03:10.300 trying to suggest here by there's a sexual component.

02:03:14.980 Who your favorite pop artist is, same music.

02:03:17.260 It's just one example of having something in common.

02:03:19.280 Okay, what are some things in common that would warrant me to date somebody?

02:03:22.660 I think you should have a lot of things in common.

02:03:24.380 I think you should enjoy doing the same things, going to the same places, hanging out with

02:03:27.840 the same people.

02:03:28.380 Okay.

02:03:28.820 I would say the only thing really is like morals, maybe.

02:03:32.780 Right, but you have to have a second.

02:03:34.420 I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with either, but I'm saying as far as agreements, the only

02:03:41.400 thing I could see that would make sense to me personally would be maybe morals, religious,

02:03:47.940 if you're a religious person, maybe religion-based.

02:03:50.520 But there's nothing, having good morals and having a...

02:03:54.620 No, no, no.

02:03:54.860 Hold on, let me finish.

02:03:55.580 Exactly.

02:03:55.980 Hold on, let me finish.

02:03:57.200 Having good morals and having a religious worldview, you could be 21.

02:04:04.420 No, 100%.

02:04:05.260 And be involved in your faith.

02:04:06.480 No.

02:04:06.720 You could be 45 and be an atheist.

02:04:08.980 100%.

02:04:09.340 I'm just saying that's the only thing as far as if you want...

02:04:11.400 You're not speaking into the mind.

02:04:12.900 I'm just saying as far as being agreeable or having things in common, that's the only

02:04:17.700 thing I could see as far as being justifiable of wanting to have those things agreeable,

02:04:24.620 being in the same things in alignment as far as morals and religion.

02:04:29.360 Okay, you can have that.

02:04:30.080 But I'm not saying you have to be the same age.

02:04:31.240 You can have that in an age.

02:04:32.060 No, yeah, I'm not saying that it has to be an age thing.

02:04:33.820 Make an argument for the commonality component here.

02:04:36.500 But don't you want to date people that they're going to teach you something?

02:04:40.460 No.

02:04:41.420 I don't want to be taught.

02:04:42.900 Not teach you something.

02:04:44.200 What?

02:04:45.060 Not teach you something.

02:04:46.740 Not teach you something.

02:04:47.740 I guess that was the right word.

02:04:49.260 Teach me what?

02:04:50.440 That wasn't the right word.

02:04:51.220 Okay, go ahead.

02:04:52.000 So you like that kind of music because that's what she brought up.

02:04:55.240 You like that kind of music.

02:04:56.420 I like this kind.

02:04:57.200 I've never heard that.

02:04:58.000 Sure.

02:04:58.260 Let me hear it.

02:04:58.920 You want to do that?

02:04:59.740 Sure.

02:05:00.500 It's a commonality.

02:05:01.620 It doesn't have to be.

02:05:03.220 I don't think it's a commonality, though.

02:05:04.700 I think it's more of just being in agreeance with sharing.

02:05:09.480 Why do opposites attract, though?

02:05:10.960 Why is that a thing?

02:05:12.140 Like, some people have something, and then the other person completes that, and that turns

02:05:17.780 into a match.

02:05:18.240 Wait, so just to be clear, so commonality, that's super important?

02:05:21.640 I think it's important.

02:05:22.260 Having things in common?

02:05:23.380 I think so.

02:05:23.740 I don't think it's important.

02:05:24.280 Really?

02:05:24.720 Okay.

02:05:25.060 I don't think it's important.

02:05:25.480 You think for either men or women, people are looking at, like, oh,

02:05:29.500 we have so much in common.

02:05:31.160 If that were the case, you would be, if commonality was really up there, wouldn't

02:05:35.600 people sort for that?

02:05:37.640 So, first of all, when you ask me these questions, like, the whole, like, smug, like, I know

02:05:44.140 better, I know, like, I already disagree with you, but you're asking just to make it.

02:05:46.960 You said pop star.

02:05:47.500 Okay.

02:05:47.980 Let's not.

02:05:48.900 Hold on.

02:05:49.040 How do I even want to go to a Taylor Swift culture?

02:05:50.180 Wait, hold on.

02:05:50.780 I'm going to finish something.

02:05:51.540 Nobody.

02:05:52.000 I'm going to finish something just really, really quick.

02:05:53.600 I mean, not even me, but I'm saying.

02:05:54.460 Having a conversation, if that's what we're doing, we're having a conversation, let's have

02:05:57.300 a conversation to be open to other people's ideas and opinions and views and walks of

02:06:00.480 life, but that's not what you're doing.

02:06:02.380 So am I.

02:06:03.260 And so.

02:06:03.700 I'm open.

02:06:04.360 I'm actually open to having my mind change.

02:06:06.240 We can, we can have a, like, a volley of conversation, but, like, the whole, where

02:06:10.880 I have an issue with these, these types of conversations is when you already are getting

02:06:15.220 ready to just, to make a point to, like, flip.

02:06:17.740 I'm already ready.

02:06:18.540 Exactly.

02:06:19.180 I'm ready.

02:06:19.560 But it's, like, you're not even, like, open for the conversation.

02:06:22.180 Listen, I think that's a fair criticism.

02:06:26.380 So, so I'm going to, so I'll tell you, I'm totally open to having my mind changed.

02:06:30.940 In fact, I hate cognitive dissonance.

02:06:33.260 That's a thing that I despise.

02:06:35.340 I try to get rid of as much cognitive dissonance in myself as I possibly can.

02:06:39.820 Totally open to having my mind changed.

02:06:41.880 That's why I love having combos like this.

02:06:43.880 Yeah.

02:06:44.360 Absolutely.

02:06:45.400 But the thing is, are you willing to have your mind changed?

02:06:48.320 I would be open to it for sure, but where I'm specifically referencing...

02:06:52.480 Well, how can we do that if we don't...

02:06:53.740 Hang on.

02:06:54.360 I'm almost done.

02:06:55.240 I just wanted a quick yes or note of that, and the reason, here's why.

02:06:59.220 If you're open to having your mind changed, and we're having this conversation, how in

02:07:03.940 the world could I change your mind without showing you if we, if we apply this kind of

02:07:08.920 thinking or the rigidity and thinking of I got the ick, and then take it to its logical

02:07:14.820 conclusion, and you see that the position itself is absurd, how else can I get you to change

02:07:19.940 your mind?

02:07:20.560 Can you actually explain that to me?

02:07:21.980 Sure.

02:07:22.080 I actually do want to know the answer to that.

02:07:23.360 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:23.460 Absolutely.

02:07:23.940 So I think it's really difficult for you to completely change the topic in the sake

02:07:28.660 of parallel ideas.

02:07:30.480 You should just stay on the actual topic and maybe ask onion layer peeling questions about

02:07:34.860 how did I get to that logic?

02:07:36.340 So then you would understand where I'm coming from, and you could even have an intelligent

02:07:39.680 conversation in where maybe there's holes in my logic on that topic.

02:07:43.040 So let's, great, then let's start with how did you come to the position, the position

02:07:48.680 that a, an age gap relationship is icky?

02:07:54.280 I'm going to answer that in one second.

02:07:55.120 How did you come to this?

02:07:56.160 I will answer that in one second, but I want to finish what I was saying to Brian.

02:07:58.360 Like, see, like rolling your eyes, shaking your head.

02:08:02.800 Because it's a meta conversation.

02:08:04.320 No, it's not meta.

02:08:05.140 It's just you being a jerk.

02:08:06.420 Do you know what a meta conversation is?

02:08:07.960 I sure do.

02:08:08.520 What is it?

02:08:09.020 A meta conversation was where you're just ice layering on top of each other, where you're

02:08:12.320 not actually addressing the topic.

02:08:13.680 That's not a meta conversation.

02:08:15.320 A meta conversation is a conversation about the conversation.

02:08:18.020 Yeah.

02:08:18.820 That's exactly what I meant by the layering.

02:08:20.540 You're talking about the same thing.

02:08:22.040 So what I want to, what I want to, like, I think it's really important to address.

02:08:25.240 We all drove here and came here for your show, right?

02:08:28.320 Okay.

02:08:28.660 Meta conversation.

02:08:29.480 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:08:29.900 You're literally having a meta conversation.

02:08:31.480 That's fine.

02:08:31.840 That's fine.

02:08:32.400 Yeah.

02:08:32.600 But if we're going to have a conversation, we can have a conversation.

02:08:35.800 But when you're being disrespectful, that's not a conversation.

02:08:39.160 Well, see, when it comes to the eye rolling, see, perhaps you might view it as disrespectful.

02:08:44.800 But for example, if somebody were to say, Brian, I want to argue with you about the fact

02:08:51.280 that I think that the sky is red.

02:08:54.360 I don't want to argue at all.

02:08:55.340 I already said that.

02:08:55.820 Okay, if somebody says something ridiculous, so ridiculous that it warrants an eye roll,

02:09:04.820 I don't see any actual objection there.

02:09:06.940 If somebody is going to say, Brian, the sky is not blue.

02:09:09.980 I don't even know how to have that conversation.

02:09:14.980 And some of the eye roll comes from you saying, I mean, I actually find it quite almost despicable

02:09:20.460 that you want to paint men.

02:09:22.220 You said men prey, men are predators, men are mentally, you would question their mental

02:09:28.420 health.

02:09:29.180 I mean, that's very objectionable language because you're essentially painting almost

02:09:34.400 most or all men as having a pathology, which I object to.

02:09:40.100 And I find ludicrous.

02:09:41.440 And when it comes to this commonality thing, I just find that absurd.

02:09:45.020 I mean, why even engage in it?

02:09:46.740 Because it's just ridiculous if you genuinely think that commonality is high on the totem

02:09:51.700 pole in terms of what people find attractive.

02:09:54.120 I completely disagree with you.

02:09:56.260 You disagree that in terms of my assessment of what you've said, you've pathologized all

02:10:00.840 men or most men.

02:10:02.340 You think they're predatory.

02:10:03.840 I didn't say that.

02:10:04.660 You said prey.

02:10:05.640 I said if there's a 20 plus year age gap, let's be clear.

02:10:09.140 The 20 plus year age gap.

02:10:10.220 Yes, that's the context of which I'm addressing this.

02:10:13.060 Did you say the word prey?

02:10:14.080 When there's a 20 year age gap.

02:10:17.000 Yes.

02:10:17.980 Okay.

02:10:18.640 So, but you also said it about even men who find them attractive.

02:10:23.460 You did say that too.

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:25.180 I think it's weird.

02:10:25.760 Why would you?

02:10:26.340 Okay.

02:10:26.620 And you think it's predatory.

02:10:28.000 You think they're praying.

02:10:29.140 If you pursue it.

02:10:29.440 Yeah.

02:10:29.540 You think they're praying.

02:10:30.760 Right.

02:10:31.420 So you're pathologizing.

02:10:35.900 So there's the justification for my eye roll.

02:10:39.820 It's just an absurd statement.

02:10:42.840 Well, that's my opinion.

02:10:44.880 Well, so I'm trying to get into this.

02:10:46.740 Okay.

02:10:47.560 Okay.

02:10:50.480 It's perfectly acceptable to have an opinion.

02:10:53.920 And I do want to hear it.

02:10:55.720 Like that's why I come on these shows because I enjoy hearing your opinions.

02:10:59.080 Yeah.

02:10:59.440 The reason that I enjoy hearing your opinions is because often, and I've had to change my mind multiple times about different positions that I've had.

02:11:07.400 Especially after starting whatever, because I didn't know very much about modern dating.

02:11:12.360 I didn't know very much about how this stuff went at all.

02:11:14.800 And I've been forced to change my opinions many times because I was suffering from cognitive dissonance.

02:11:19.320 There's no doubt about it.

02:11:20.320 There was many things which I had a completely skewed view on that I no longer do after engaging in these panels.

02:11:28.020 So I do want to hear your opinion.

02:11:29.560 But I think you've got to listen to ours as well.

02:11:31.780 I think that that's kind of the fair exchange.

02:11:33.480 So my olive branch here is like, look, we've engaged before, right?

02:11:37.540 And you know that if you give me your opinion, you're genuine, I am going to deconstruct it a bit.

02:11:44.020 But we don't even have to be disrespectful about it.

02:11:46.120 We just go through the opinion and figure this thing out.

02:11:48.640 Yeah.

02:11:48.860 I agree with everything that you just said when it's done respectfully.

02:11:51.880 But when it's like it's so clear, like we're not even having a conversation because you're closed off.

02:11:55.640 That's tone policing.

02:11:55.860 Come on.

02:11:56.320 Don't tone police.

02:11:58.340 No.

02:11:59.480 It's tone policing.

02:12:00.400 Well, what's happening right now, what I perceive is happening right now is you're unwilling to engage with the argument because you're feeling offended by the tone.

02:12:11.320 Whereas you could be generous to the other person.

02:12:13.940 Maybe you could even say, Brian's a little immature in his delivery.

02:12:17.380 That's fine.

02:12:18.200 But if you're a mature adult willing to engage with the actual argument that's being posed, I can put away the immaturity.

02:12:25.480 I can put away the disrespect.

02:12:26.820 I've had plenty of people on panels before really disrespect me and how they say things.

02:12:32.660 But I still genuinely engage with the argument that's being presented to me regardless of how they say it.

02:12:39.700 And I think you should be able to do that as a mature adult.

02:12:43.200 Now, I'm giving this as like a critique to your argumentation style.

02:12:48.600 So, instead of attacking somebody because of the way they say things.

02:12:53.620 Who did I attack?

02:12:54.680 I attacked him?

02:12:56.620 Well, you're.

02:12:57.160 So, you're.

02:12:57.840 Okay.

02:12:58.160 Maybe I don't want to say the word attack.

02:12:59.940 Okay.

02:13:00.340 It is.

02:13:01.020 I think women have a hard time sometimes admitting that they're wrong.

02:13:04.200 Okay.

02:13:04.640 Well, see.

02:13:05.300 There it goes again.

02:13:06.340 Well, there it goes again.

02:13:07.060 Everyone does.

02:13:07.500 Because I use the word attack, you're unwilling to engage with what I'm saying right now.

02:13:13.880 Yeah.

02:13:14.300 So, maybe instead of.

02:13:15.760 So, if I say attack, maybe you can translate in your mind to say, okay, maybe he's making an argument or we're having a spirited discussion.

02:13:25.360 Maybe I'm not going to judge him based on the tone or the words he says.

02:13:29.800 Maybe I want to interpret the meaning he's trying to get across with saying what he's saying.

02:13:36.580 It's just.

02:13:37.280 It's a really immature way to go about having a discussion with somebody.

02:13:40.880 Judging them based upon the verbiage, the language, and the tone of what they're using.

02:13:46.380 I got this.

02:13:47.000 Okay.

02:13:47.560 Dully noted.

02:13:48.380 Anyways, why don't you engage with Andrew?

02:13:50.040 Go.

02:13:50.840 Okay.

02:13:51.400 Noted.

02:13:51.980 Dully noted.

02:13:52.660 Go ahead.

02:13:53.000 Have the conversation.

02:13:53.880 I do genuinely want to know how he came to this opinion.

02:13:56.280 Well, one, I'm a woman who was once in her early 20s and I did engage with, I want to be clear, I'm not saying sexually, but I did have conversations.

02:14:08.140 I did have men hitting on me.

02:14:10.040 I did work in environments, et cetera, where there was a lot of men that were acting predatorily because I was so young, impressionable, and easy to coerce to do different things, go different places, et cetera.

02:14:22.140 I've had a lot of negative experiences with men that are much older than me.

02:14:25.740 And if now that I'm older, my number one piece of advice to younger women is try to just keep it around the same age as you.

02:14:32.580 Like, I don't think, you know, 20 years, 30 years older than you is appropriate.

02:14:37.260 That's just my personal opinion from my personal experiences.

02:14:39.680 I actually, Andrew, I have something on this.

02:14:42.120 Okay.

02:14:42.760 Yeah, sure.

02:14:43.200 Go ahead, Frank.

02:14:44.340 Yeah.

02:14:44.640 So, I mean, so you mentioned that you dated men who were older and they were bad experiences.

02:14:51.640 Yeah.

02:14:52.100 Yeah.

02:14:52.280 Don't doubt that at all.

02:14:53.860 But I also hear from women, for example, who date men their own age and have also bad experiences.

02:15:01.320 So it's not clear to me that it really matters.

02:15:05.140 If you're trying to avoid bad experiences, I don't see really what age has to do with it.

02:15:11.660 A guy the same age as you can be just as or more abusive and controlling as an older guy.

02:15:18.940 Sure can.

02:15:19.760 I just, again, my personal opinion based on my personal lived experiences is that there should be a smaller age gap.

02:15:25.680 I say 10 years is roughly the max.

02:15:28.160 Okay.

02:15:28.380 When you're guiding women, because you said this was your number one piece of advice for younger women, and I didn't get that wrong.

02:15:36.940 I'm not straw manning that, right?

02:15:37.980 You did say that's your number one piece of advice.

02:15:39.620 Yeah.

02:15:40.500 Do you usually guide them only via anecdote?

02:15:44.640 Clarify what you mean.

02:15:46.340 Like only your personal experience?

02:15:48.620 I also, you know, I take into account, you know, who that girl is, their experience, like, you know, a lot of different factors.

02:15:56.420 But in general, young women who are in their early 20s, fresh out of high school, you know, maybe newly going into college.

02:16:05.880 When you graduate when you're 18, fresh out of high school is two years ago.

02:16:11.700 That's not that fresh, but okay.

02:16:13.800 Fair enough.

02:16:14.680 All right.

02:16:15.060 Well, I understand.

02:16:16.060 I mean, let's say within five years, it's fresh.

02:16:18.620 We'll just say that for the kind of like the sake of however it is that you feel.

02:16:22.880 But do you understand?

02:16:24.300 So when I talk to different men, I don't actually give advice, right?

02:16:30.100 I make sure not to because if I'm not intricately familiar with a person's personal situation, I feel like I could actually make it worse if I gave them bad advice.

02:16:38.860 So I tend to stay away from advice giving at all.

02:16:41.380 But one thing I do tell people, and this is the one thing I'll tell anybody who listens, is there is a proper way to think.

02:16:50.180 There's a proper way to think and there's an improper way to think.

02:16:53.400 And so when I listen to you kind of go through this, what I'm looking for is how is she thinking about this?

02:17:00.260 Why is she thinking about it this way?

02:17:02.620 And why is she arriving at that conclusion?

02:17:05.180 Because most people come to improper conclusions because they have not been taught to properly think.

02:17:11.340 So if we start with an anecdote of you have bad experience with X, that really doesn't mean shit ultimately, right?

02:17:19.100 It would actually be improper thinking to say, because I had negative experiences in field X, that therefore other people are going to have negative experiences.

02:17:28.040 You would want to look at kind of the whole in order to make a good conclusion before you were to give somebody advice, right?

02:17:35.840 You would agree with that, wouldn't you?

02:17:37.040 I don't really think it's that deep, though, Andrew.

02:17:45.340 I'm just more referring to, you know, when I do have younger women approaching me and talking to me about their male situations, you know, I will go off of what they've shared and I will encourage them to date within their own age range.

02:18:00.060 Can I ask you a question about that?

02:18:01.560 But I mean, that has vast implications for a person's life, right?

02:18:04.740 Like, I mean, yeah, I mean, it does.

02:18:08.460 Giving a person advice about who they should or shouldn't date has massive implications for the outcomes of their life.

02:18:16.080 Well, when I'm asked for my advice, I am sometimes will give it.

02:18:19.740 Not always.

02:18:20.020 Yeah, sure.

02:18:20.520 And I understand.

02:18:21.480 That's OK.

02:18:21.980 There's plenty of people who give advice, you know, when they're asked in this type of thing.

02:18:26.200 I tend not to.

02:18:27.420 But don't you think that if you're a person who does give advice, that you should be coming to proper conclusions before you give it out?

02:18:36.180 Sure.

02:18:37.580 Yeah.

02:18:38.020 So when we're thinking about this, the reason that I'm gauging what you're saying and the reason I'm diving into what you're saying and the reason I want to change your mind about what it is that you're saying is because I think you're coming to an improper conclusion based on bad thinking.

02:18:52.860 And I think that I can assist with that.

02:18:55.720 And so that's why I want the opinion and why it is that you think this.

02:18:59.600 And if all you can say is it's justified via ick, there's no way in the world because you could justify anything with ick, right?

02:19:07.520 You could justify any discriminatory behavior with ick.

02:19:10.280 You can justify hating women with ick.

02:19:12.600 You could justify hating men with ick.

02:19:14.340 You could justify anything with ick.

02:19:16.880 So that would be improper thinking, wouldn't it?

02:19:19.180 I don't know, Andrew.

02:19:23.960 This is, again, just my opinion.

02:19:26.180 What were you going to say?

02:19:27.340 My question is, so when I sit there and I look at men my age, where I'm from, most of them can't tell their left-ass cheek from the right.

02:19:34.040 Okay?

02:19:35.140 So when I sit there and I say I look at men 30-plus years old because they know what they want.

02:19:40.200 They've been through life.

02:19:41.100 They're ready to settle down.

02:19:41.920 How old are you again?

02:19:43.000 I'm sorry?

02:19:43.280 How old are you again?

02:19:43.880 26.

02:19:44.440 26.

02:19:44.900 Okay.

02:19:45.180 That's 30.

02:19:45.660 So 30, 40, 50-year-old men.

02:19:47.460 That's who I tend to look at.

02:19:48.600 Right, because they have their shit together.

02:19:50.620 They know what they want.

02:19:51.620 Men in their 20s, men in their 30s, they don't know what they want typically.

02:19:55.700 They're the ones.

02:19:56.120 It's very, very rare to find that.

02:19:58.240 So I don't necessarily agree with your point of they should be closer together.

02:20:03.900 Like I said, women tend to mature significantly quicker than men.

02:20:08.120 I know a lot of women in their 20s who are ready to settle down, but the men aren't.

02:20:14.100 I have one question for you.

02:20:16.800 Would you prefer, here's the scenario.

02:20:20.520 So a woman dates a man who's, say she's 21, dates a 35-year-old.

02:20:26.060 Do you, just really quick, do you object to that age gap?

02:20:28.500 It's getting a little out there, but it's not as bad as 40.

02:20:31.720 Yeah, it's not as bad as 40.

02:20:33.340 So let's say he's a good guy.

02:20:35.580 He wants a monogamous relationship, doesn't cheat on her, wants long-term.

02:20:40.420 Or would you prefer to see that woman, say, in the period over the course of two years,

02:20:47.320 get kind of strung along by like, fuck boys her age?

02:20:54.160 Which do you prefer?

02:20:55.740 I think if the guy is like genuinely a good guy and actually interested in her,

02:21:00.100 like for more than just her physical looks and her appearance

02:21:03.060 and the fact that she can pop out 20 babies, like there's actually like care for her.

02:21:06.840 Then I think that a 35-year-old, 21-year-old, it's pushing it for my personal opinion.

02:21:12.100 But I think that that, to your point, would be a better scenario than her.

02:21:15.540 Does it change if she's 40?

02:21:17.420 Or sorry, sorry, it's, excuse me.

02:21:19.000 Does it change if he's 40?

02:21:20.140 I just, again, I just wonder why, like out of all.

02:21:24.620 No, but okay, so the question is, in this scenario, he's a good guy, monogamous,

02:21:29.680 wants a long-term relationship with her.

02:21:30.820 It raises more questions for me.

02:21:31.820 Right.

02:21:32.280 But would you rather see her in the situation with the older man

02:21:36.380 who wants to have a long-term monogamous relationship with her,

02:21:39.880 is not going to cheat, going to be loyal,

02:21:41.220 or for her to just be honed around and sleep with 20 frat boys her age?

02:21:48.860 Which would you prefer?

02:21:50.140 To see?

02:21:51.460 I mean, I prefer them both to be settled and happy.

02:21:55.160 That's not the question.

02:21:56.140 That's not the question.

02:21:57.080 I literally think it's a good one.

02:21:58.220 It's a good one.

02:21:59.280 There's, there's, so there's two options.

02:22:01.220 Which would you prefer to see?

02:22:02.840 The, the 21-year-old and the 35-year-old?

02:22:05.720 Okay, so I changed it to 40.

02:22:07.280 Okay.

02:22:08.000 21-year-old with the 40-year-old.

02:22:08.840 I think it's starting to get weird at 40.

02:22:10.360 Yes, you've already said that.

02:22:11.760 I know, but I was in the middle of saying,

02:22:13.280 I would prefer to see them both like settled and happy.

02:22:15.940 And again, it's a little uncomfortable for me,

02:22:17.760 but I would prefer that for both of them.

02:22:20.380 Over her sleeping with men her age.

02:22:21.760 And him, but yes.

02:22:23.020 Wait, what do you mean?

02:22:24.600 Well, because it's really common in these particular red pill settings that like,

02:22:28.660 Is this a red pill setting?

02:22:32.280 Come on.

02:22:32.800 Are you fucking retarded?

02:22:34.440 I'm sorry, what?

02:22:35.560 There was an option.

02:22:36.480 Bro, you dropped the prop.

02:22:39.420 Why didn't it come out?

02:22:40.860 Well, I mean, probably shouldn't play with props.

02:22:44.320 Brian, you don't need to be so rude.

02:22:45.440 Could I make a comment as soon as?

02:22:47.240 Like, why would you call me fucking retarded?

02:22:49.280 Because, I mean, you dropped the prop.

02:22:51.220 It's on the floor now.

02:22:51.960 You haven't done anything to pick it up.

02:22:53.760 Well, I would, but I'm a little distracted by you calling me fucking retarded.

02:22:56.700 Yeah, I mean, here's the tone policing again, so.

02:23:01.220 Is this a rage quit?

02:23:02.840 I'm not rage quitting.

02:23:03.960 You're just so disrespectful.

02:23:05.560 Like, who is disrespectful?

02:23:07.440 Hang on, hang on.

02:23:08.320 Listen, it's been super hostile.

02:23:11.980 Let's finish the con-

02:23:13.120 You don't want to finish the convo?

02:23:14.280 I'm not doing you, Andrew, but I'm not going to be all fucking retarded.

02:23:17.260 It was kind of fucking retarded.

02:23:19.120 She was also insulting at the mental illness.

02:23:22.260 It was a little.

02:23:23.700 I don't want to hear the rude rage.

02:23:24.980 Can I make a quick comment?

02:23:26.700 I mean, girl.

02:23:27.380 Well, you know, hey, it happens.

02:23:29.500 I can agree with you on that one.

02:23:32.380 Yo, Desmond, you can't be on your phone right now, man.

02:23:37.780 Uh, are we-

02:23:40.380 Are we-

02:23:44.380 Happy birthday to you.

02:23:48.040 No, I'm just kidding.

02:23:48.680 No.

02:23:48.860 It's not that serious.

02:23:50.000 Are we off the topic, or can I still comment on this?

02:23:55.540 What happened to that?

02:23:59.340 It doesn't exist anymore.

02:24:00.540 We need to start bullying people again.

02:24:03.300 Brain bullying back.

02:24:04.080 I know.

02:24:05.000 Brain bullying back.

02:24:06.180 Some people need some thicker skin.

02:24:09.540 What's that?

02:24:10.500 Everything makes my eyes roll.

02:24:11.740 Huh?

02:24:11.860 I'm going to tell you right now.

02:24:13.600 You can tell me, hey, check it out, and I'll be late.

02:24:17.460 Well, it's dumb.

02:24:18.660 But that's just my face.

02:24:19.740 I mean, we need you to-

02:24:22.060 Can I still comment?

02:24:24.000 We need you to leave.

02:24:24.840 You can't just be hanging out back there.

02:24:27.280 I'm putting my shoes on.

02:24:28.780 Okay.

02:24:31.860 Unless you want to come back and participate in the panel, you don't-

02:24:34.540 You can still come back and participate in the panel.

02:24:37.300 Come on.

02:24:38.180 I know for sure you've heard way worse than anything that's on this panel.

02:24:42.660 The minute we all got here, I don't know he can hear me.

02:24:45.660 Tell you what, I'll apologize for calling you a retard if you sit back down.

02:24:49.600 That's fair.

02:24:50.120 And apologize for calling men mentally ill?

02:24:52.180 It'll be a genuine apology.

02:24:55.060 That's fair.

02:24:56.400 Wait, we can't-

02:24:56.940 Yeah, I mean, we were having a good time.

02:24:58.780 It was a good discussion, honestly.

02:25:00.340 I would like to get back to it.

02:25:02.340 I mean, did she not call you guys mentally ill and disgusting?

02:25:05.400 Sorry, say that louder?

02:25:06.340 Did she guys not comment on men being mentally ill and disgusting for that?

02:25:10.580 Yeah, but I mean, so what?

02:25:12.080 That's every feminist who ever's on the show.

02:25:14.500 I just take it with a grain of salt at this point.

02:25:18.860 I'm willing to do an apology.

02:25:21.660 I'll do an apology.

02:25:22.700 Yeah, but you can do a respectful period.

02:25:25.020 That was-

02:25:26.060 Yeah, it's just a-

02:25:27.060 I don't know that you're willing to do that, Brian.

02:25:29.220 Weren't you in the military?

02:25:30.400 Like, I'm just confused.

02:25:31.420 Like, isn't this sort of banter?

02:25:33.540 Like, are you really that-

02:25:34.900 Banter.

02:25:35.600 You just-

02:25:36.120 You fucked up our prop!

02:25:40.320 You fucked up the prop!

02:25:41.600 Well, we're arguing different ideas.

02:25:45.980 Okay, so, so, cool, cool.

02:25:47.940 Banter or Dutch?

02:25:48.720 Bro, you're killing it in the tone policing department.

02:25:53.520 So, you can sit back down or you can leave.

02:25:56.000 I mean-

02:25:57.720 Yeah, honestly, sit back down.

02:25:59.400 We can get back to having a good time.

02:26:00.800 It was getting good.

02:26:02.000 It was getting good.

02:26:03.080 She said bye.

02:26:04.480 They are definitely-

02:26:04.980 She's already gone?

02:26:05.800 Yeah.

02:26:05.980 She's already gone.

02:26:07.140 I guess, Morgan, we're going to have you sit in that chair, I guess.

02:26:10.580 Welcome to the panel, Morgan.

02:26:12.200 Yay!

02:26:13.540 I almost saw it.

02:26:14.160 Come on, which one?

02:26:14.840 Can we wrap this?

02:26:18.480 Yeah, all right.

02:26:19.420 Well, you know.

02:26:20.740 Can I say something regarding that?

02:26:22.800 Just, like, an opposite opinion, at least?

02:26:25.340 I mean, I was 21, and one of my, like, most meaningful relationships was with a 42-year-old

02:26:35.820 man, and he was not predatory.

02:26:38.800 He didn't make me do anything I didn't want to do.

02:26:42.800 I felt like I grew with that person more than anyone closer to my age, and I've even

02:26:49.700 dated people younger than me.

02:26:53.460 I've, like, kind of understood both sides of that aspect, and it really doesn't mean,

02:26:59.040 like, the age aspect is, like, the deciding factor of how, like, I don't know.

02:27:04.960 It's not gross, unless it's, you know, I mean, we all know what, like, that level gets to.

02:27:10.240 Gross people are gross people, regardless of age.

02:27:12.720 Exactly.

02:27:13.280 And it also kind of depends on the state of the woman, whether, you know, when she's 20

02:27:19.780 and 21, the lifestyle she's lived.

02:27:21.840 Are they met?

02:27:22.580 Well, that's the thing, too, is you get a lot of people saying that it's gross for a

02:27:26.580 man to want to be, an older, older man to be attracted to a younger woman, but yet there

02:27:34.560 is very rarely, I feel like, and you talk about women that seek out older men.

02:27:40.660 If you wouldn't mind on the mic, can you, can you put your mouth in front of the mic

02:27:44.860 itself, because otherwise the audio sounds kind of funky on this end.

02:27:49.620 Can you hear me better?

02:27:52.140 Yeah.

02:27:53.060 I was saying that I feel like it's, there's, I'm not saying it's never talked about, but

02:27:58.580 I feel like it's definitely not as common, where you hear this talk a lot of basically

02:28:04.240 it's icky and it's gross for older men to be attracted or seek out younger women, but

02:28:10.820 yet it's not as talked about where you get younger women seeking out older men for their

02:28:18.560 resources, because let's, let's be honest, that's usually why they're seeking out older

02:28:24.100 men, because they're more established, they're more, that's like a majority.

02:28:31.280 Somebody says her mic is, they're saying her mic is not on.

02:28:36.220 Mine or hers?

02:28:37.000 Yeah, there's, there's something seriously wrong with the audio there.

02:28:39.960 With mine?

02:28:40.480 With, yeah, just your mic specifically.

02:28:43.760 Did she pull that down?

02:28:45.440 So what it, what it sounds like, uh, Brian, is it sounds like she's kind of underwater a

02:28:49.480 little bit.

02:28:50.920 Can, can you hear me now?

02:28:52.240 Just, just, yeah, that sounds way better.

02:28:54.500 Better?

02:28:55.200 It's her hands.

02:28:55.720 It might have been the, it might have been the, no, now it's back, now it's back.

02:28:59.520 It's just that one mic.

02:29:01.520 I don't know.

02:29:01.940 Do you want me to use the mic for a second?

02:29:03.560 Uh, bro.

02:29:06.700 What do you want me to do?

02:29:07.540 I still think we need to talk about the retard thing.

02:29:09.740 I think.

02:29:10.220 Maybe, um, maybe you can switch seats with, uh, with, uh, that way you got her mic.

02:29:15.720 I don't know.

02:29:16.080 I don't think switching wouldn't, that doesn't, that doesn't make sense.

02:29:19.180 Um, no, no, no, if she switched with helmet girl, then, cause helmet girl, you know what

02:29:23.740 I mean?

02:29:23.900 Then she has a, the mic, the, that's, that's all I'm saying.

02:29:26.940 Can you hear me now, Andrew?

02:29:28.380 When I get her mic, she has a name, Andrew.

02:29:31.140 Yeah.

02:29:32.720 I get her mic.

02:29:34.080 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:29:34.720 Are you guys wearing name badges?

02:29:36.500 No.

02:29:37.120 Like, am I, how many, how many names should I remember?

02:29:40.060 Okay.

02:29:40.380 So here's what I'll do from now on.

02:29:41.800 It'd be Tiffany one, Tiffany two, Tiffany three, Tiffany four, Tiffany five.

02:29:46.120 How about we just do it?

02:29:47.360 Would that make you feel better?

02:29:48.920 I want to be Brittany.

02:29:50.200 What do you want me to do?

02:29:52.240 I'm supposed to remember everybody's name.

02:29:53.700 $200.

02:29:55.400 I was drinking milk from a fresh bowl of cereal that I happened to spill on my shirt.

02:30:01.120 I called myself a retardant and then proceeded to walk out on myself because I was so offended.

02:30:07.000 Now that is meta.

02:30:11.360 That is pretty meta.

02:30:14.080 Good for him.

02:30:15.220 Bro.

02:30:16.120 A quick little thing though.

02:30:17.940 Like it, like is the same thing, like apply to like older women that go for younger men.

02:30:23.500 That seems pretty like normalized out.

02:30:27.300 And also calling men mentally ill and then getting called retardants, but you just called all men mentally ill.

02:30:33.060 Whoa.

02:30:33.320 That's a really good point.

02:30:34.420 She called all men.

02:30:35.700 I'm actually ill.

02:30:37.080 She called.

02:30:37.840 But you got called retarded.

02:30:39.180 She called all men retarded, but I say I call her a retardant.

02:30:44.480 She's offended.

02:30:45.140 What the fuck?

02:30:46.280 That's fucked the game.

02:30:47.140 Good catch.

02:30:48.000 Good catch.

02:30:48.680 Yeah.

02:30:48.780 What's up?

02:30:49.180 What's up?

02:30:49.640 High five for that.

02:30:50.560 Boom.

02:30:50.800 She literally said this like 20 minutes ago.

02:30:53.720 So you guys.

02:30:54.820 Okay.

02:30:55.160 So every man is mentally retarded, but she's not.

02:30:59.820 Honestly.

02:31:00.380 That is very unrespectful.

02:31:03.380 I think she was digging.

02:31:04.840 I think she was looking.

02:31:05.920 She wanted that.

02:31:06.420 She was looking for just any pretext or justification to leave.

02:31:11.300 Well, no, that's what I was kind of getting at with the fact that when I said women like to not be wrong.

02:31:16.900 It's okay.

02:31:17.900 That might've not been the best verbiage of it, but I feel like you get a lot and it's, I feel like it's more common in women than it is men where they don't like to admit.

02:31:30.040 Anyway, a bunch of people are saying the mic, the mics are totally scuffed.

02:31:35.300 Okay.

02:31:35.720 All of them?

02:31:36.740 All of them?

02:31:37.200 Because we switched.

02:31:37.860 Audio.

02:31:38.460 No mics are on.

02:31:39.600 I'm listening.

02:31:41.180 Check.

02:31:41.800 Unless we're getting trolled in the chat.

02:31:46.040 No, you're not getting trolled.

02:31:47.740 I'm hearing it.

02:31:48.300 That's what they want you to do.

02:31:49.960 I mean, I'm hearing it for sure.

02:31:52.140 Hearing what?

02:31:52.440 I hear it on White Walsh's mic and then I hear it on your mic and then everybody else's mic seems to be fine.

02:31:58.200 It's bizarre.

02:31:59.000 Or maybe because we even switched my, I gave her my mic.

02:32:04.040 Yeah, I know.

02:32:04.820 I know.

02:32:05.300 And it's, it's still, it's still like, I don't know why.

02:32:08.220 Um, you know what?

02:32:09.360 I think we just need to fucking put back in the other audio mixer.

02:32:16.040 It's going to take two minutes to do it, but, um, party.

02:32:20.340 The only, my only concern is if we unplug it, then it's just like, we, we lose audio completely.

02:32:28.020 Intermittent.

02:32:29.340 Well, I mean, if we're making the viewers now in advance.

02:32:32.620 Can I get a marina?

02:32:33.420 I don't know what changes you're making, but I'm pretty, I think it's worse.

02:32:41.280 People are saying it's worse now.

02:32:45.620 Uh, people are saying it's worse now.

02:32:47.380 Andrew, is it worse now?

02:32:48.360 Uh, well, no, it, it goes from bad to perfect, to bad, to perfect, to bad, to perfect.

02:32:54.820 Like in and out?

02:32:56.300 Mm-hmm.

02:32:57.020 I think that's maybe depending on like, talking at the same time.

02:33:00.100 I just have to make a decision on this.

02:33:01.500 We're going to go, we're going to have to unplug everything and just go back to the other mixer.

02:33:07.860 Sweet.

02:33:08.620 So what that means is.

02:33:12.180 A champagne pop.

02:33:14.400 Champagne pop.

02:33:15.480 Let's do it.

02:33:16.960 So hold on.

02:33:17.780 They all want a champagne pop, guys.

02:33:19.660 We brought a bottle of wine, I think.

02:33:20.900 Let me think about how exactly I want to do this.

02:33:23.700 Yeah, we did.

02:33:23.740 I used to Brian already.

02:33:26.000 And I'm, we might even have to restart the stream.

02:33:29.620 At this point, the audio has been so frustrating, which is, you know what?

02:33:33.420 I'm going to, I blame the audio for my outburst in calling her a retard.

02:33:37.760 I've been fucking out of my seat.

02:33:39.380 But she called my retards.

02:33:40.860 I've been out of my seat.

02:33:41.940 Karma.

02:33:42.500 Trying to deal with this shit behind the scenes.

02:33:44.820 It's been a scuffed pre-show.

02:33:47.160 Karma.

02:33:47.780 She's outside right now.

02:33:49.280 I'm wiring all of my fucking shit.

02:33:50.120 I'm not taking, I'm not taking any accountability.

02:33:53.160 I blame it on the audio issues.

02:33:55.060 Blame it on me.

02:33:55.820 I'm blaming, yes, I'll blame it on you too.

02:33:57.980 I'll blame it on me too.

02:33:59.480 So, okay, we need to, we're going to have to mute the audio.

02:34:02.200 It's going to take maybe two or three minutes to get everything switched back over.

02:34:05.900 I'm thinking it might be possible for us to just let Andrew talk.

02:34:13.460 That's a good idea.

02:34:14.760 So I want to try one thing really quick.

02:34:16.620 This is for the viewers.

02:34:17.540 Nick, over there in the audio mixer in OBS.

02:34:20.620 You're going to put desktop audio on and you're going to mute audio.

02:34:24.640 Okay.

02:34:27.180 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:34:28.260 Up.

02:34:29.380 Up here.

02:34:29.880 Am I fat?

02:34:31.040 Hold on.

02:34:33.120 Wait, guys, stop, stop, stop, stop.

02:34:34.880 Hold on.

02:34:35.180 Let me give them instructions.

02:34:36.840 So what you're going to do, Nick, to the right, there's a red audio icon.

02:34:42.100 You're going to turn that on.

02:34:44.880 And then you're going to mute this audio.

02:34:47.460 And hold on, before you do chat, can you let us know if you can hear Andrew talking starting

02:34:52.620 from now?

02:35:00.640 Right now.

02:35:01.400 Can anybody hear me?

02:35:06.000 Is anybody out there?

02:35:17.340 Excellent.

02:35:20.380 Yeah.

02:35:22.180 And they can still hear you if I can still hear you.

02:35:24.400 Yeah.

02:35:33.120 Yeah.

02:35:34.000 Yeah.

02:35:34.520 It's done.

02:35:35.200 I'll do it right now.

02:35:37.280 Yep.

02:35:38.940 Yeah.

02:35:43.900 Fair enough.

02:35:45.760 Fair enough.

02:35:46.560 So can we talk about the problems in improper thinking and how you can come to the absurd

02:35:56.300 conclusion?

02:35:56.940 I could like, I can see all these fine tattooed women here tonight.

02:36:00.160 All of them have it together.

02:36:02.160 They all come to good conclusions, right?

02:36:04.740 Everything from fishnet girl all the way over, right?

02:36:07.280 They all come to great conclusions because, because, because they don't utilize rigidity

02:36:15.640 in their thinking, right?

02:36:17.280 They're willing to go back to first root principles so that we can figure out the core of these

02:36:22.920 issues.

02:36:23.700 They look at them.

02:36:24.200 They're all having a fun.

02:36:25.240 Everyone from backwards hat girl over to white tank top.

02:36:28.880 Right.

02:36:29.080 I mean, you guys don't have name tags.

02:36:30.560 What do you want me to say?

02:36:31.380 You know, you just say green shirt over here.

02:36:32.900 That would be fine too.

02:36:33.880 Right.

02:36:36.820 Wait, wait, it's not break time.

02:36:38.120 It's not break time.

02:36:39.200 You should bet.

02:36:39.980 I'm kidding.

02:36:40.480 I'm joking.

02:36:41.140 I'm joking.

02:36:41.780 I'm kidding.

02:36:42.460 I'm fucking around.

02:36:43.340 I'm just, I'm just kidding around.

02:36:46.820 I can't, I can't hear you.

02:36:48.280 It's the best.

02:36:48.920 I'm having more fun right now.

02:36:50.820 You guys are talking all kinds of shit and I can't hear a thing.

02:36:54.660 It's, it's the greatest thing ever.

02:36:56.440 This is the greatest episode of whatever I've ever been on.

02:37:00.080 I can talk.

02:37:00.980 You can hear me and I can't hear a fucking word.

02:37:03.320 You say it's fantastic.

02:37:16.120 That's a really, that's a super bad impression.

02:37:19.140 Super bad impression.

02:37:19.980 For those of you who don't know, cause you can't hear white blouses attempting to make

02:37:24.660 fun of me as I carry this show while Brian takes care of the audio issues.

02:37:29.360 And she was just mocking me for having the fastest growing debate channel on YouTube.

02:37:35.100 And, uh, yeah, that, that wasn't, that wasn't very nice.

02:37:37.980 You know, I'm gonna, I can still hear you, but my audience can't hear you.

02:37:45.220 Don't worry about it.

02:37:45.960 And neither can yours.

02:37:48.400 Yeah.

02:37:48.800 Yeah.

02:37:54.660 That plays Charlie Sheen's brother and two and a half men.

02:38:15.300 Alan?

02:38:16.140 Yes.

02:38:16.640 He says that you look like.

02:38:18.120 What, what?

02:38:28.760 That's the most absurd shit that I've ever.

02:38:31.580 That's what a mean bastard.

02:38:33.420 What a mean bastard.

02:38:35.760 He's getting Kiki in the mail.

02:38:37.480 That's what's happening to him.

02:38:38.780 That's, it's going to be some revenge.

02:38:40.760 It's going to be, there's going to be a blue haired blow up doll in the mailbox.

02:38:44.120 That's what's happening.

02:38:44.880 I mean, it's right behind you by the key right behind you.

02:38:48.280 Yeah, that's right.

02:38:51.780 Horrible.

02:38:53.840 Horrible to say mean.

02:38:56.660 Yeah.

02:38:57.180 It's mean and cruel.

02:38:58.540 What does your dad think about your tats anyway?

02:39:14.880 That's really cool.

02:39:28.480 I think it's not the.

02:39:29.180 I think it's, I think it's even my dad's notful Toldy.

02:39:35.120 Yeah, no, no, it's under control, Brian.

02:39:46.120 Fix the audio.

02:39:46.820 We're good.

02:39:48.400 We're all good.

02:39:49.800 I was asking.

02:39:51.380 I was just asking.

02:39:53.540 When I got the lucky YouTube.

02:39:55.000 Just for the sake of asking.

02:39:59.440 What's your old man thought of that sleeve?

02:40:02.460 What does he think of the sleeve?

02:40:03.720 Oh, no, the sleeve, for example, he didn't really mind so much.

02:40:07.580 I just muted you.

02:40:08.760 Nobody can hear a word you're saying.

02:40:09.960 It was the lucky.

02:40:11.400 Nobody gives a shit.

02:40:12.300 They don't give a shit.

02:40:12.860 It was the lucky you taxi that really threw him over the edge.

02:40:16.180 Okay.

02:40:17.280 Brian said for me to entertain the stream, he just jumped right in immediately.

02:40:22.000 He tried to steal the whole show.

02:40:23.660 Trying to take my spotlight.

02:40:25.840 You asked me a question.

02:40:27.000 Kind of mean girl behavior a little bit.

02:40:31.640 I'm teasing you.

02:40:32.520 I'm teasing you.

02:40:33.020 Go ahead.

02:40:34.240 Can you hear us?

02:40:36.000 Yeah, I can hear you guys fine.

02:40:37.000 All right.

02:40:37.400 Is the audio clean?

02:40:39.200 Is the audio good?

02:40:40.220 I mean, I'm assuming it's going to be better.

02:40:42.620 All right.

02:40:43.020 I put everything back on.

02:40:44.280 Everything should be back on.

02:40:46.780 We hooked.

02:40:49.460 That was my moment.

02:40:50.580 She stole my moment.

02:40:51.580 I'm sorry.

02:40:52.200 She did.

02:40:52.400 This is not the moment for everybody to be fucking up out of their seats.

02:40:55.220 Nick, can you get people sitting again, please?

02:40:57.260 Hey, guys.

02:40:57.720 Come on.

02:40:57.940 Let's go back.

02:40:58.340 Let's go back.

02:40:58.400 Let's go back.

02:40:58.460 Let's go back.

02:41:00.400 Let's go back.

02:41:02.400 Intermission is over.

02:41:05.020 Give out your seats.

02:41:07.620 Break time's over, sweetheart.

02:41:14.540 Okay.

02:41:15.100 All right, guys.

02:41:20.020 I'm pretty sure we have changed the audio.

02:41:25.740 I don't know if it's fully okay.

02:41:32.120 The audio might be lower than it was before, but...

02:41:36.340 Sounds a million times better, Brian.

02:41:37.720 It should be.

02:41:38.320 A million times better.

02:41:39.060 It might be lower, but it should be better, if that makes sense.

02:41:42.200 So, talk closer?

02:41:45.880 I guess.

02:41:48.040 Yeah.

02:41:49.500 Got to use your big girl voices, right?

02:41:51.640 Got to get right in there.

02:41:53.120 Use the booming voice.

02:41:56.660 So, welcome back, guys.

02:42:01.540 Sorry for the audio issues throughout the show.

02:42:04.420 So, it's clear to me that we, I don't know.

02:42:12.760 I'm telling you it was her.

02:42:13.840 That's not something, it's not going to be something that I'm going to be able to delegate.

02:42:17.900 I mean, I try to delegate tasks, but I'm going to have to go in and figure it out myself.

02:42:24.800 So, I'll carry as usual.

02:42:26.100 So, okay.

02:42:29.440 No, I'm just talking in general.

02:42:34.200 So, where were we?

02:42:40.060 I don't know.

02:42:40.400 We're talking about dating, I guess.

02:42:45.200 All right.

02:42:46.120 I'm going to read a couple chats.

02:42:47.400 Actually, Mason, can you read a couple for me?

02:42:49.320 Yeah, sure.

02:42:49.740 I got you.

02:42:51.520 Let's see.

02:42:52.260 Okay.

02:42:52.520 44-year-old male here, spent the last 12 years taking care of a parent.

02:42:58.180 No kids, never married.

02:43:00.180 If I wanted to get married to start a family, I'm looking for someone capable of having kids.

02:43:04.920 But if I did date a 20, early 30, something, I'm icky.

02:43:09.500 What a moronic thing to say.

02:43:12.480 Indeed, EW.

02:43:13.460 I don't think we're not allowed to call her names.

02:43:16.160 Exactly.

02:43:17.120 You are mentally ill, EW.

02:43:18.900 I just want you to know that.

02:43:23.180 All right.

02:43:23.600 Thank you.

02:43:25.060 All right.

02:43:25.620 Pelagic, six.

02:43:27.960 She's used to being number one, not today.

02:43:31.540 I think this is in reference to the girl who walked on the line.

02:43:34.460 Yeah.

02:43:35.440 I think that's all going to be about her.

02:43:37.520 I mean, any woman that uses that kind of terminology at that age is kind of, I don't know.

02:43:42.700 Questionable.

02:43:43.420 Yeah.

02:43:43.620 She had a lot of things to say, but that's not the way to.

02:43:47.960 I did have some questions for her, though, before she left, because she had a child.

02:43:55.520 Oh, she has a kid?

02:43:56.460 Yeah, she said that.

02:43:57.480 She had a teenage child.

02:43:58.920 A 15-year-old son.

02:43:59.300 A 15-year-old, and you're 34.

02:44:00.800 So then, who impregnated you when you were 16?

02:44:06.100 Let me do the math on that.

02:44:07.020 Damn, yeah.

02:44:07.400 I was going to say, that's some quick math right there.

02:44:10.780 Well, yeah.

02:44:11.200 I mean, she did say that she dated, when she was younger, she dated older men.

02:44:15.120 So then, who impregnated you when you were 16?

02:44:17.200 That's a question that I had, and how come that you, being a single woman, with not a

02:44:24.540 husband, but with a 15-year-old child at 34, as somebody your age, but you want them to

02:44:32.360 start over and start a family with you when you already have a kid, what kind of baggage

02:44:35.940 are you bringing when you had a kid when you were 16?

02:44:38.300 That's obviously a troubled childhood.

02:44:41.020 So, how can you say that?

02:44:42.800 It's also contradicting, and...

02:44:45.960 Do you get what I'm saying?

02:44:46.560 Like, how can you say that these men are mentally ill?

02:44:51.220 Or predatory.

02:44:54.620 A 15-year-old men are just getting started in their careers, and buying homes, and doing

02:44:58.740 all this.

02:44:59.460 Do they want somebody with a 15-year-old kid that got impregnated when they were 16?

02:45:03.560 What kind of morals and values did you have that?

02:45:06.780 Damn, I wish she was here.

02:45:09.280 No, no, no, no.

02:45:10.380 Damn, you know, I'm just like, make that make sense for me, if they're so mentally ill.

02:45:16.340 I believe she didn't mention an essay, which might be that scenario.

02:45:20.480 Be the reason she believes that.

02:45:22.220 Okay, but then, if they, okay, how mentally ill were you to get, and that's something I

02:45:27.980 strongly believe in.

02:45:28.800 You might think these men are mentally ill, but as a woman, how mentally ill are you to

02:45:33.280 be wanting to be in that situation?

02:45:34.720 And I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm not calling anybody mentally ill, but I'm

02:45:38.760 saying, if he needs therapy, so do you.

02:45:41.080 I'm saying it might not have been her choice, because I believe she mentioned something about

02:45:45.700 an essay, which might be why she believes men are mentally ill for having that mindset.

02:45:53.120 But not all of those situations are the same.

02:45:54.760 That's also another, that's also another questionable decision.

02:45:56.700 I don't, I don't know her story, I'm just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

02:45:59.920 No, I a thousand percent agree, but I'm just saying, for you to sit here with such a strong

02:46:04.400 conviction and say, these men have a problem.

02:46:07.000 You should be open as well to the idea.

02:46:09.940 Come on, at 15, having a kid, I'm not saying that you haven't sought therapy, because I

02:46:16.020 know a lot of women have, and they've gone through issues, and from, we have all have

02:46:20.260 things that have gone in our lives that have created us to have issues, how can you just

02:46:25.940 blame them?

02:46:26.980 Because.

02:46:28.180 Because it's easier to blame somebody that isn't you.

02:46:31.380 See, exactly.

02:46:33.300 Because having a child at 16 years old, I'm sorry, that is.

02:46:38.680 People don't like to take responsibility for their actions, that's probably my accountability

02:46:42.520 factor.

02:46:43.240 So, you saying all these people are mentally ill, but you're not, and you get mad, why did

02:46:46.840 you get so mad when somebody called you retarded?

02:46:49.700 And it's not like.

02:46:50.160 Sorry, I'm not trying to laugh, it's not funny.

02:46:51.900 It's not funny.

02:46:52.540 Because it doesn't come down to, like, a man or a woman doing it, we all kind of, yeah.

02:46:57.680 But it's easier, but you know what, men are always, it's always their fault, they did

02:47:01.120 it, it's them, they're the problem, they did this, they do that, why?

02:47:04.700 Yeah, well, it's easier to be able to say something like that, but it also,

02:47:08.680 takes away your power to do anything about it.

02:47:11.520 Because if the problem comes from somebody else, then they have to take care of that

02:47:16.020 problem.

02:47:16.320 And you are absolved of all.

02:47:18.120 But if it is your own personal problem in dating, whatever, and it's not a problem that

02:47:23.820 you created, you don't have to take any accountability for it, you have no power in fixing that said

02:47:28.280 issue.

02:47:28.940 So, yeah, it's just, regardless, if you enter into a conversation like this, and are unwilling

02:47:34.860 to engage with the logic, the conversation, be able to talk, and be able to think, maybe

02:47:40.360 I have certain things that I'm not perfectly reasonable with.

02:47:43.100 But as much as saying that he's being unhealthy, he's being unreasonable, he's being

02:47:49.020 attackative, he's being this person.

02:47:50.640 By the way, it wouldn't be 16, it'd be 19, right?

02:47:54.000 Oh, 19?

02:47:55.720 Okay, well.

02:47:56.420 I mean, that's still pretty young to have a child.

02:47:57.340 But I'm saying, so, you're in your teenage years, and that, to you, dating somebody older

02:48:01.420 is icky.

02:48:02.580 So, regardless of that, you're still saying those type of situations are icky, but you

02:48:09.160 were there in that situation.

02:48:10.680 At least Toby and Garza was dating her.

02:48:12.360 For calling Brian, he's this, he's combative, he's all of these things, you are also not

02:48:18.480 willing to listen, even your point.

02:48:20.900 She would not listen to you, she would not listen to him, nothing.

02:48:24.800 It was her point, and her point only, and that was that.

02:48:27.700 And then the second, granted, should he have called a retarded?

02:48:30.880 No, probably not.

02:48:32.000 But that's just kind of, you know, sometimes people say that.

02:48:36.520 Sometimes people say mean shit, and they don't mean to say it, but it kind of comes out

02:48:39.560 and whatever, it got said.

02:48:40.540 But how do you get to say that he said all this shit, but you wouldn't even listen to

02:48:46.040 him when he was just trying to be like, dude, listen, you're literally calling every man

02:48:50.280 over 35 retarded.

02:48:51.600 Well, I don't know, I don't know about that he shouldn't have said X, and she shouldn't,

02:48:56.780 you know, I'm not willing to go there and grant that.

02:48:58.880 But I'm not saying that.

02:49:00.080 I'm just, realistically, it's a debate, right?

02:49:02.160 I'm just being a, I'm being the devil's advocate on that, because you know what, whatever.

02:49:05.220 She dropped his prop, you know?

02:49:07.340 You don't drop a man's prop.

02:49:08.840 Not just that, but you're not.

02:49:10.180 You don't drop, you're going to get caught.

02:49:11.100 Now, listen, if I was there in studio and I dropped the prop, Brian probably would have

02:49:15.580 arse slurred me.

02:49:16.280 It probably wouldn't have happened.

02:49:17.240 It probably wouldn't have happened.

02:49:18.500 Let's, I mean, let's be real.

02:49:19.820 I just wouldn't have rage quit about it.

02:49:21.820 I would have, you know, given him the middle finger.

02:49:23.280 I would have said F off like that.

02:49:24.700 That's the way it's supposed to go, you know?

02:49:26.380 Well, granted, but I'm just saying, like, she was so strong in her opinions and you literally

02:49:31.940 called every man retarded.

02:49:33.260 So she already called him retarded.

02:49:35.300 So make that make sense.

02:49:37.700 She just didn't use retards.

02:49:39.420 She just said, what did she say?

02:49:41.840 Mentally ill.

02:49:42.680 Mentally ill.

02:49:43.480 Mentally ill and retarded.

02:49:45.040 The politically correct term.

02:49:45.720 Yeah, she used the politically correct term, but when he said the real word, she was like,

02:49:50.520 Oh, wow.

02:49:51.300 Somehow it's wrong.

02:49:52.600 Hold on.

02:49:53.040 It's like.

02:49:53.800 It's a little.

02:49:54.740 Look, okay.

02:49:55.560 The loophole goes to feed the beast.

02:49:58.080 It's never, it's never good to do.

02:50:00.640 It's a really nice prop, you know?

02:50:02.300 It's a really nice prop.

02:50:03.420 It's a nice prop.

02:50:04.360 Don't even think about such a thing.

02:50:07.340 It's.

02:50:07.740 I'd be upset.

02:50:08.400 Look, it's not the right.

02:50:10.120 I lost my cool.

02:50:11.360 I shouldn't have called her a retard.

02:50:13.280 Was she being a retard?

02:50:14.500 Yes.

02:50:14.740 But I shouldn't have called her a retard.

02:50:18.760 I do want to, I do want to maybe apologize.

02:50:21.080 I'd like to take this chance to apologize.

02:50:24.040 Absolutely nothing.

02:50:24.840 Nobody.

02:50:26.000 All right.

02:50:26.760 There's a, there's, there's no apology.

02:50:29.340 No apology.

02:50:30.360 But she called you that.

02:50:31.740 I'm not, I'm not letting Brian apologize.

02:50:33.560 He's wrong in this.

02:50:34.560 Nope.

02:50:34.800 Brian's not apologizing.

02:50:35.960 She dropped.

02:50:36.760 It's a nice prop.

02:50:37.680 It really ties the table together with the room.

02:50:40.860 Honestly.

02:50:41.660 You know, it's a, it's pretty important.

02:50:43.220 I've been in that room many times.

02:50:44.420 And if you didn't have that particular prop, you wouldn't even have a show.

02:50:48.340 It ties the room.

02:50:49.760 And then don't, and don't say like, well, I drove two and a half hours to be here.

02:50:54.440 We, I have, I've got on an airplane today to be here.

02:50:59.420 I got out of my pajamas.

02:51:00.920 I got out of my pajamas.

02:51:01.320 Damn it.

02:51:02.100 Whoa.

02:51:02.720 That's crazy.

02:51:03.220 Come on.

02:51:04.300 Yay.

02:51:05.140 Go, Andrew.

02:51:06.660 Thank you.

02:51:07.760 Thank you.

02:51:08.020 But I'm just saying some of us have come a long way.

02:51:10.220 So what?

02:51:10.560 We decided to be here.

02:51:11.800 We chose to take this day of our lives to be here.

02:51:14.920 We all knew the situation while coming on the show, whether it be positive, negative.

02:51:18.840 We all knew what we were doing.

02:51:20.260 So to get that upset for a simple.

02:51:24.900 When she's been on before, hasn't she?

02:51:27.060 It's just kind of crazy.

02:51:28.480 Yeah.

02:51:28.720 She's been on before.

02:51:29.920 She's been on the show.

02:51:30.180 But you knew what you were getting yourself into.

02:51:31.740 So to get that upset is just kind of unreasonable, to be honest with you.

02:51:36.520 Well, I look, okay.

02:51:38.020 I know Andrew's, like, trying to gas me up here.

02:51:40.120 I shouldn't have called a retard, okay?

02:51:42.920 I was already tilted even before the show started.

02:51:45.200 We had three, like, three no-shows.

02:51:47.760 No offense to you.

02:51:48.460 You were an hour late.

02:51:49.760 We started the show late.

02:51:50.920 I said all the blame.

02:51:51.420 We started the show late.

02:51:52.480 We were having audio issues.

02:51:54.700 Just, like, a whole bunch of kind of annoying things before the show.

02:51:57.900 I was a little cheery on top.

02:51:59.480 Yeah, you were an hour late.

02:52:00.520 It's okay.

02:52:01.600 But not really.

02:52:04.460 Yeah, I took accountability at least, you know.

02:52:06.480 So, shouldn't have called her that.

02:52:07.960 Shouldn't have called her that.

02:52:09.100 Although, I do kind of question, like, I mean, in the military.

02:52:12.200 Wait, you didn't call her that.

02:52:14.020 You asked a simple question.

02:52:15.820 Oh, I didn't call her.

02:52:16.640 What did I say?

02:52:17.580 You didn't make a declarative statement.

02:52:18.700 You said, are you.

02:52:19.360 You just said, are you.

02:52:21.000 Oh, I didn't say.

02:52:21.760 Oh, okay.

02:52:22.200 Then it's fine.

02:52:23.120 Yeah, you said, are you.

02:52:24.340 I was in the military.

02:52:25.640 She should definitely have thicker skin.

02:52:27.580 She deserved to be called that.

02:52:28.300 Yeah, I was going to say, like, don't.

02:52:30.460 As someone who works with the military, that's nothing.

02:52:33.740 They call each other.

02:52:34.100 In the army?

02:52:35.720 Literally.

02:52:36.080 I said, who are you talking to?

02:52:37.880 She wanted a virtue signal and make a big.

02:52:40.200 She just wanted to do that.

02:52:41.300 She wanted to do that.

02:52:41.980 It's 24, okay.

02:52:43.340 What's the ultimate sign of, like, I am in the superior point of view because you're

02:52:48.860 saying such outlandish things that I must leave.

02:52:52.600 Yeah.

02:52:53.100 I don't like that portrayal of a feminism.

02:52:56.800 I don't know.

02:52:57.240 It was easy.

02:52:58.080 Well, I'm not a feminist.

02:52:58.940 It was particularly icky, in my opinion.

02:53:03.080 This is, I think this is a, this is almost like a dating, try to, try to bring it back

02:53:07.840 to dating.

02:53:08.480 This is, this is almost a trope that you will encounter if you're having an argument with

02:53:13.040 your significant other.

02:53:14.140 Like, your girlfriend will, like, stab you in the side continuously with some shit.

02:53:18.420 And then you'll say, like, one thing.

02:53:20.380 You'll call her a bitch.

02:53:21.520 And then it's just, oh my gosh, you'll be talking.

02:53:24.160 Your dad is a piece of shit.

02:53:25.700 She will, like, do these little.

02:53:27.600 Rip you apart.

02:53:28.640 A girl will fucking.

02:53:29.560 Women love to throw the low blows.

02:53:31.360 Women love to throw the low blows.

02:53:32.360 And then you just, you just call her a bitch.

02:53:35.940 Then it's just like, oh my gosh.

02:53:37.020 They know they can't get you physically.

02:53:38.780 They gotta get you with the words.

02:53:39.100 By the way, I'm not saying don't call, don't call, don't call your girlfriend a bitch.

02:53:42.800 But if we're talking about dating, and she was so keen on this, so what qualifies a high

02:53:49.000 quality man?

02:53:49.840 That's what I wanted to know from her.

02:53:51.580 You were so adamant on everything of what a high quality man was.

02:53:56.260 And I talked to high quality men.

02:53:57.980 What's a high quality man?

02:53:59.700 To, like, what do you mean?

02:54:01.520 Like, oh, a high quality man wouldn't do this.

02:54:03.760 A high quality man wouldn't do well.

02:54:05.080 Well, for her to just be the most judgmental.

02:54:07.540 Well, okay.

02:54:07.740 So, what was, what I saw in her arguments continually was she was receiving from us a bunch of quality

02:54:16.520 arguments.

02:54:17.060 Hey, your logic is flawed here.

02:54:18.640 Yeah.

02:54:19.000 And instead of engaging with the argument, this, I look for the same thing when I'm dating

02:54:23.360 somebody.

02:54:23.880 Instead of engaging with a difficult conversation, maybe I disagree with you.

02:54:28.620 The immediate response was, uh, what you're doing is mean.

02:54:33.140 It's offensive.

02:54:34.120 You need to change how you do things because.

02:54:36.620 Does that hurt my feelings?

02:54:37.700 Well, yeah.

02:54:38.000 It doesn't align with my personal.

02:54:40.800 If you want to be right, you must do things in a way that I deem necessary.

02:54:45.100 Yeah.

02:54:45.380 And okay, no, maybe this other person's a different person than you.

02:54:48.380 Maybe they have a good point and you should engage with that conversation.

02:54:51.100 If I'm dating somebody, I want them to be in the position where they can interpret what

02:54:56.620 I'm trying to say.

02:54:57.160 As I told her, interpret with a meaning, regardless of the verbiage I'm using, trying to diagnose

02:55:02.740 exactly what I mean and respond to that.

02:55:04.940 And take out your personal.

02:55:07.740 Brian, did you know she almost right when I was on access Vegas with her, she almost

02:55:11.320 rage quit there too.

02:55:12.460 Nice.

02:55:12.780 So I also have a question, uh, for Brian Mason, what's a high quality man?

02:55:18.820 I'm sorry.

02:55:19.200 I would like, or you know what?

02:55:20.680 Not even you guys, cause you're men.

02:55:22.860 Women.

02:55:23.500 What is a high quality man?

02:55:24.840 Because she was so, as high quality men, they do this, they do that.

02:55:29.500 They do this because there is so many different variations of high quality men, whether it's,

02:55:36.020 you know, does financially making them high quality men, does the fact that he lets me

02:55:44.160 act this way, make him a high quality man, lets me, you know, like, what do you, what

02:55:49.500 is a high quality man?

02:55:50.900 To her, probably somebody agreeable.

02:55:53.520 Well, I think she said she was religious, so maybe that is what she's talking about.

02:55:56.220 So a Jesus man, because all Jesus men are literally high quality men, let's be real.

02:56:00.820 I'm not, sorry, but I mean, come on now.

02:56:03.760 The real one.

02:56:04.080 Not all of them are.

02:56:05.320 Not all of them are, sorry.

02:56:06.320 It's mathematically impossible.

02:56:07.320 I know, I actually, I agree with that sometimes.

02:56:09.320 I would say, don't even say that only because they're religious.

02:56:13.320 That goes across, like, all types of people.

02:56:15.320 They get to be high quality men.

02:56:16.320 I've been really, I've been really nasty to Nick, so Nick gets to get drunk during the

02:56:19.320 show.

02:56:20.320 Yay!

02:56:21.320 Chug, chug, chug.

02:56:24.320 No, actually, you wanted to chug with me.

02:56:26.320 You have to chug.

02:56:27.320 Wait, give him the wine when he brought you a bottle of wine.

02:56:30.320 I've been very, I've been very sassy to Nick.

02:56:32.320 Nick, I'm sorry for being sassy towards you.

02:56:34.320 We love you, Nick.

02:56:35.320 Nick the bullshit together now.

02:56:36.320 Yay!

02:56:37.320 You have to drink the whole thing though, okay?

02:56:39.320 Here we go, Nick.

02:56:40.320 Here we go.

02:56:41.320 Oh, he's chugging.

02:56:42.320 Woo!

02:56:43.320 Woo!

02:56:44.320 That was fast.

02:56:45.320 What a man.

02:56:46.320 What a man.

02:56:47.320 Nick's been doing a few-

02:56:48.320 See, that's a high quality man.

02:56:49.320 What a man, what a man, what a man, what a man, what a man, what a man.

02:56:53.320 He chugged his milk.

02:56:54.320 He chugged his milk.

02:56:55.320 You chugged your beer at high quality, there you are.

02:56:59.320 Thank you.

02:57:00.320 Yours probably hate him right now.

02:57:01.320 Yeah, good job.

02:57:02.320 What makes high quality is what I want to know.

02:57:04.320 Nick and Brian are kissing and making up.

02:57:06.320 He chugged themselves.

02:57:07.320 Oh, so beautiful.

02:57:08.320 Oh.

02:57:09.320 Hands up, please.

02:57:10.320 Here, I'll have a little bit.

02:57:11.320 Brian.

02:57:12.320 Ah!

02:57:13.320 For seconds.

02:57:14.320 Brian's going to have some.

02:57:15.320 Sorry, I got to comment on what's happening.

02:57:17.320 I don't even remember this.

02:57:18.320 I gave it to Brian.

02:57:19.320 Because he can't see it.

02:57:20.320 Can I ask a question to the panel?

02:57:22.320 Come here.

02:57:23.320 Your man comes over for the first time.

02:57:24.320 What are you cooking him?

02:57:25.320 Your man?

02:57:26.320 Oh, I like this question.

02:57:27.320 For the first time.

02:57:28.320 Your man comes over for the first time?

02:57:29.320 Okay.

02:57:30.320 I think I would do salmon.

02:57:31.320 Dude!

02:57:32.320 What?

02:57:33.320 What?

02:57:34.320 Men don't eat salmon like that!

02:57:36.320 Guys, one at a time.

02:57:37.320 The audience can't hear anything.

02:57:38.320 Sorry, men don't eat salmon like that.

02:57:40.320 Yes, they do.

02:57:41.320 Yes, they do.

02:57:42.320 Wait, who said salmon?

02:57:43.320 Who said you're cooking salmon the first time they come over?

02:57:46.320 Me.

02:57:47.320 What?

02:57:48.320 I'm a big fan of salmon.

02:57:49.320 I will not be taking any criticism.

02:57:50.320 That's kind of fancy and healthy.

02:57:51.320 I like salmon, a little roasted vegetable.

02:57:54.320 And depending on what type of guy he is, either mashed potatoes or like a little couscous,

02:57:59.320 a little carb on the side.

02:58:00.320 You're adorable.

02:58:01.320 And dessert.

02:58:02.320 Sounds like a girl food cake.

02:58:03.320 My favorite cake.

02:58:04.320 Well, but like girl food is better than boy food.

02:58:06.320 Like, I want to eat my salmon with roast veggies.

02:58:08.320 But for the first time.

02:58:09.320 But he's going to your house for the first time.

02:58:10.320 You're cooking for him, not you.

02:58:11.320 You gotta do a little robot steak, some potatoes, and some vegetables.

02:58:15.320 It's still a boy.

02:58:17.320 It's a good deal.

02:58:18.320 I wouldn't go with mashed potatoes.

02:58:19.320 I would go with couscous.

02:58:20.320 I appreciate the input.

02:58:21.320 Or like a couscous salad.

02:58:23.320 I think that would be good.

02:58:24.320 I think that would be good.

02:58:25.320 Yeah.

02:58:26.320 Like a bed of couscous with some like salmon on top.

02:58:28.320 Yeah.

02:58:29.320 Crispy skin.

02:58:30.320 I agree.

02:58:31.320 Girl food.

02:58:32.320 And then I'm a big dessert gal.

02:58:33.320 I'm starving.

02:58:34.320 No, no, no, no, no.

02:58:35.320 You guys are fucking with this all up.

02:58:36.320 Oh my God.

02:58:37.320 Who is that?

02:58:38.320 Oh my gosh.

02:58:39.320 Two dishes which are appropriate for the first time he comes over to eat.

02:58:43.320 You ready?

02:58:44.320 You're never going to get any argument with these two dishes.

02:58:46.320 The first, lasagna.

02:58:48.320 Every man on planet earth loves lasagna.

02:58:50.320 Speak it in.

02:58:51.320 Every man who exists loves lasagna.

02:58:53.320 Speak it in.

02:58:54.320 And then second, three stuffed ravioli.

02:58:56.320 Every man on earth loves that too.

02:58:57.320 Oh.

02:58:58.320 What?

02:58:59.320 Okay.

02:59:00.320 You have to have like a roast lamb with some warm pita, some like hummus, some like tartar.

02:59:05.320 You got to throw some like tabouli on that.

02:59:07.320 Tartar.

02:59:08.320 Tartar.

02:59:09.320 That's what you got to do.

02:59:10.320 Let's tartar.

02:59:11.320 Yeah.

02:59:12.320 Tartar.

02:59:13.320 It's hard to mess up.

02:59:15.320 You can mess up a steak.

02:59:17.320 I'll still eat it, but you know.

02:59:19.320 You have to test your own cooking skills.

02:59:20.320 That's fair enough.

02:59:21.320 Fair enough.

02:59:22.320 But you know.

02:59:23.320 They'll be like, oh, I'm going to give you something easy to make.

02:59:25.320 You know, the first time lure me in with something easy to make.

02:59:28.320 Next time maybe flaunt your skills.

02:59:30.320 I don't know.

02:59:31.320 Yeah.

02:59:32.320 Okay.

02:59:33.320 What about this?

02:59:34.320 I can only really cook like Persian food.

02:59:36.320 I thought you were saying mac and cheese.

02:59:38.320 I mean, that's, I can really spice up a mac and cheese too, but like.

02:59:41.320 I can spice up a mac and cheese.

02:59:43.320 No, but Persian food is good.

02:59:44.320 I think that's a good Persian food.

02:59:45.320 I think that's like effort.

02:59:46.320 No.

02:59:47.320 Persian food is good.

02:59:48.320 That's good.

02:59:49.320 Yeah.

02:59:50.320 Well, yeah.

02:59:51.320 I mean, yeah.

02:59:52.320 What's everybody's body count?

02:59:53.320 What?

02:59:54.320 Let's get it back in.

02:59:55.320 Starting with me since.

02:59:56.320 Whoa.

02:59:57.320 Starting with me.

02:59:58.320 That diversion was immaculate.

02:59:59.320 Wow.

03:00:00.320 Yeah.

03:00:01.320 So my body count is zero.

03:00:02.320 I feel like we've established that.

03:00:03.320 Yeah.

03:00:04.320 But you know.

03:00:05.320 Yeah.

03:00:06.320 I'm going to skip that question.

03:00:07.320 All power to you.

03:00:08.320 I swear.

03:00:09.320 I'll give the same answer I gave last time.

03:00:11.320 I'm in the teens.

03:00:12.320 Oh.

03:00:13.320 Are you?

03:00:14.320 I'm in the teens.

03:00:15.320 Legal or not?

03:00:16.320 What the fuck?

03:00:17.320 Legal.

03:00:19.320 What do you mean legal?

03:00:21.320 It was a joke.

03:00:22.320 I got it.

03:00:23.320 I got it.

03:00:24.320 Oh, it's my turn, huh?

03:00:27.320 Yes.

03:00:28.320 I have to leave the fifth.

03:00:29.320 I don't know.

03:00:30.320 Like six.

03:00:31.320 You think?

03:00:32.320 Six or seven.

03:00:33.320 I think six.

03:00:34.320 But I'm 30.

03:00:35.320 So yeah.

03:00:36.320 Six.

03:00:37.320 I don't know.

03:00:39.320 I don't know.

03:00:40.320 Range.

03:00:41.320 I don't keep count.

03:00:42.320 Range.

03:00:43.320 Range.

03:00:44.320 Range.

03:00:45.320 Maybe around the 20s.

03:00:47.320 Okay.

03:00:48.320 Okay.

03:00:49.320 21 and growing.

03:00:51.320 Thank you.

03:00:52.320 All right.

03:00:53.320 Love the honesty.

03:00:54.320 Welcome back to the conversation.

03:00:56.320 One.

03:00:58.320 Skip digital footprint.

03:01:00.320 You want to give us a range?

03:01:02.320 Skip digital footprint.

03:01:04.320 Skip digital footprint.

03:01:05.320 Okay.

03:01:06.320 Good to know.

03:01:07.320 Good to know.

03:01:08.320 Cool.

03:01:09.320 I don't know why I brought it there, but I don't know.

03:01:11.320 You guys were talking about food.

03:01:12.320 That was a good diversion.

03:01:13.320 No, honestly.

03:01:14.320 We're talking about food.

03:01:15.320 We need extra garlic.

03:01:16.320 Talking about food.

03:01:17.320 He's like, fuck this couscous.

03:01:19.320 What's your body count?

03:01:20.320 I thought that was a good question.

03:01:22.320 Wait.

03:01:23.320 Last thing though.

03:01:24.320 I liked your addition of the couscous.

03:01:25.320 She's in the military, right?

03:01:26.320 Yeah.

03:01:27.320 Yeah.

03:01:28.320 And that's how I got started on mine.

03:01:30.320 Because she said that.

03:01:31.320 And so I said mine.

03:01:33.320 They talk shit way more than just.

03:01:35.320 Yeah.

03:01:36.320 And just to be clear.

03:01:37.320 I did.

03:01:38.320 I didn't call her an R slur.

03:01:39.320 I asked if she was one.

03:01:41.320 There's a difference.

03:01:42.320 It is different a little bit.

03:01:44.320 I'm asking for clarification.

03:01:46.320 All right.

03:01:47.320 It's a little different.

03:01:48.320 Are you?

03:01:49.320 It's a lot different.

03:01:50.320 All right.

03:01:51.320 All right.

03:01:52.320 Let me get into some of my pre-show notes here.

03:01:54.320 So let's see here.

03:01:55.320 Okay.

03:01:56.320 We talked about.

03:01:57.320 Typical woman.

03:01:58.320 You say something like, are you stupid?

03:02:00.320 And they go, don't call me stupid.

03:02:02.320 Well, you didn't call them stupid.

03:02:03.320 You didn't say they were stupid.

03:02:04.320 It was a question.

03:02:05.320 You asked a basic question.

03:02:06.320 You know, people get so bent out of shape about this stuff.

03:02:09.320 Yes, I am stupid.

03:02:10.320 No, you knew it.

03:02:11.320 Yeah.

03:02:12.320 Okay.

03:02:13.320 What?

03:02:14.320 What?

03:02:15.320 Did you just internalize the joke?

03:02:16.320 Yes, I did.

03:02:17.320 I internalized everything.

03:02:18.320 Yeah, I am stupid.

03:02:19.320 My singular feeling is hurt, Mr. Wilson.

03:02:21.320 Let's, uh, oh, we do have to read a couple more chats here.

03:02:24.320 Um, Morgan, can I have you, uh, read these?

03:02:27.320 I keep staring me off.

03:02:28.320 Oh, hold on.

03:02:29.320 Can you just read this one?

03:02:30.320 Yeah.

03:02:31.320 Poor young Jamie.

03:02:33.320 I mean, Nick.

03:02:34.320 Brian is going to pull all of this drama on Nick's shoulders.

03:02:38.320 Hashtag free Nick.

03:02:40.320 I mean.

03:02:41.320 Thank you, Desert Jo.

03:02:42.320 Isn't he the one that got a drink?

03:02:43.320 Can you read this one?

03:02:44.320 Yeah.

03:02:45.320 Here's a high value, mature, vulnerable question.

03:02:48.320 Why doesn't James Bond fart in bed?

03:02:51.320 Because it doesn't blow his cover.

03:02:53.320 Also for Andrew Chat, the.

03:02:55.320 That was so funny.

03:02:56.320 Okay.

03:02:57.320 That was a good one.

03:02:58.320 The.

03:02:59.320 That's right.

03:03:00.320 That was.

03:03:01.320 That's good.

03:03:02.320 We'll go back to white blouse.

03:03:03.320 Cause she loves.

03:03:04.320 The.

03:03:05.320 Jesus.

03:03:06.320 I was speechless after that.

03:03:15.320 I agree.

03:03:16.320 Is this one?

03:03:18.320 It's really simple.

03:03:19.320 She told a man a high value that she had a lot of experience.

03:03:24.320 He told her that he valued her experience so she could, so he could sleep with her.

03:03:29.320 She now thinks men want experience, LOL.

03:03:32.320 All right.

03:03:33.320 Thank you, Law Paladins.

03:03:34.320 Appreciate it.

03:03:35.320 Some of these came in a while ago, guys.

03:03:36.320 So just getting into some of these now.

03:03:39.320 I'm 38, divorced, father of two, hoping for more.

03:03:43.320 Why are you, why are you so upset with dudes dating younger women to accomplish that?

03:03:48.320 She's going to leave anyways.

03:03:50.320 The ick.

03:03:51.320 The ick.

03:03:52.320 We need a strong men leading children.

03:03:55.320 Why would she leave?

03:03:56.320 Who?

03:03:57.320 That girl?

03:03:58.320 Yeah.

03:03:59.320 Yeah.

03:04:00.320 Who knows?

03:04:01.320 I committed a cardinal sin.

03:04:02.320 Cause I'm offended.

03:04:03.320 Of asking her if she's our slurred.

03:04:05.320 Is that the.

03:04:06.320 That's.

03:04:07.320 Yeah.

03:04:08.320 That was the least of the issue with the things she was saying.

03:04:13.320 Say a letter with your chest.

03:04:16.320 I think the panel is better now.

03:04:19.320 We're taking over.

03:04:20.320 We got something a little, I think we got something a little weird going on with the audio.

03:04:26.320 Is it a ghost?

03:04:27.320 I'll check on it.

03:04:28.320 There's a little something strange going on with the audio.

03:04:31.320 It's like peaking.

03:04:32.320 I'm not sure why.

03:04:33.320 Randomly.

03:04:34.320 Yeah.

03:04:35.320 Um.

03:04:36.320 Did you make any adjustments in OBS, Nick?

03:04:39.320 Uh, yes.

03:04:40.320 We made some adjustments.

03:04:41.320 We can check.

03:04:42.320 Oh, no.

03:04:43.320 Wait, what?

03:04:44.320 It's like my time crunch, baby, then.

03:04:46.320 We made some.

03:04:47.320 Not since we changed.

03:04:49.320 What were the adjustments that you made?

03:04:52.320 Uh, for the other mixer.

03:04:54.320 Like in the filters.

03:04:55.320 Were the, were they in the filters?

03:04:57.320 No, I don't.

03:04:58.320 It was the same.

03:04:59.320 Like, did you make adjustments there?

03:05:00.320 Nope, none.

03:05:01.320 Huh.

03:05:02.320 But you saw how it like peaked out full red?

03:05:05.320 That was weird.

03:05:06.320 I wonder if someone made me annoy him.

03:05:08.320 David's talking shit.

03:05:09.320 Eh, okay.

03:05:11.320 Well, I think it's, it's fine.

03:05:13.320 I think it should be fine.

03:05:14.320 David's talking shit.

03:05:15.320 What's that?

03:05:16.320 David's talking shit about lasagna.

03:05:17.320 Oh, okay.

03:05:18.320 Yeah.

03:05:19.320 Just ignore those.

03:05:20.320 Who the fuck would talk shit about lasagna?

03:05:23.320 What kind of man doesn't like lasagna?

03:05:24.320 I'll read it right now.

03:05:25.320 Everybody likes lasagna.

03:05:26.320 I'll read it right now.

03:05:27.320 He's saying something.

03:05:28.320 Uh, okay.

03:05:30.320 So, we have, oh, okay.

03:05:34.320 Uh, Chase.

03:05:35.320 Chase.

03:05:36.320 You said you dated a guy in the KKK.

03:05:38.320 What?

03:05:39.320 What?

03:05:40.320 I have, so, it was back when I lived in Sonora, so more up north.

03:05:44.320 Silmer?

03:05:45.320 Sonora.

03:05:46.320 Okay, good.

03:05:47.320 So, I lived in Sonora at the time trying to like, you know what, screw it, I'll just

03:05:54.320 continue swiping.

03:05:55.320 And I guess I was not paying attention at all.

03:05:59.320 And I went to the profile and there is a Confederate flag in the background.

03:06:06.320 That doesn't mean he's KKK.

03:06:07.320 That's not KKK.

03:06:08.320 That's not KKK.

03:06:09.320 That just means that he's a.

03:06:10.320 But he also had other.

03:06:11.320 Can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?

03:06:13.320 Did he have the outfit?

03:06:14.320 I still want to take my boobs.

03:06:15.320 I'm having a good time with that.

03:06:16.320 He was with the Aryan Brotherhood in one of the pictures, like Adam, in one word or

03:06:22.320 another.

03:06:23.320 Okay, you can go back.

03:06:24.320 I'm having just kind of.

03:06:25.320 Can I put my jacket on please?

03:06:26.320 Look, I just, is there a nip slip about?

03:06:28.320 Don't touch.

03:06:36.320 That's really fine.

03:06:49.320 Yeah, there was no nip slip, but I mean, it's hard to tell.

03:06:55.320 It looks like the titties are out, but the titties are not out.

03:06:59.320 Nope, anyway.

03:07:01.320 just because he had

03:07:03.420 a confederate flag does not mean

03:07:05.620 that he's a K-K-K.

03:07:07.500 Apparently there was other memorabilia

03:07:09.500 things. Yes.

03:07:11.800 And I immediately

03:07:13.260 went and said of

03:07:15.440 of course I was high when I messaged

03:07:17.560 I like black guys.

03:07:19.140 And marijuana.

03:07:22.040 Wait what?

03:07:23.620 I messaged the person

03:07:25.580 that I had

03:07:27.340 matched with. He never messaged.

03:07:29.480 I kind of beat him to the punch.

03:07:31.320 That I like black guys. I unmatched

03:07:33.480 and nothing ever since.

03:07:35.420 That doesn't mean he's a K-K-K.

03:07:36.760 Did you go on a date with him?

03:07:38.820 It was on a dating app correct?

03:07:41.380 It was on a dating app. It was on Tinder

03:07:43.500 like back then. And he just had a photo

03:07:45.500 with a confederate flag.

03:07:47.320 Yeah but it was also

03:07:49.540 Sonora's so Sonora's kind of

03:07:51.760 small individuals

03:07:53.380 Christian like.

03:07:55.140 Some of them were like a little racist

03:07:57.440 out of my head. That's not true.

03:07:59.280 Not that. Okay.

03:08:00.720 I'm not going to bite on that.

03:08:01.440 When I went to college

03:08:02.440 when I went to college

03:08:03.540 in the south I knew a lot of

03:08:05.420 African American guys who were

03:08:07.100 all pro-Confederacy.

03:08:09.120 Yes.

03:08:09.960 And I think.

03:08:11.740 Moving on.

03:08:12.460 Let's just.

03:08:13.440 Okay.

03:08:13.940 It's not real.

03:08:14.740 I'm not inclined to bite on this one.

03:08:16.500 So okay.

03:08:17.540 You said in your Instagram profile

03:08:19.520 it says

03:08:19.980 women right.

03:08:22.220 What does that mean?

03:08:24.000 Like it doesn't say women's rights.

03:08:26.340 It says women right.

03:08:28.740 Like as in women.

03:08:30.340 Do you mean women are right?

03:08:32.460 I'm confused.

03:08:33.300 It was a typo.

03:08:34.600 I was going to say.

03:08:35.220 So what's the correction then?

03:08:36.820 Women's rights.

03:08:39.020 Okay.

03:08:39.640 I did not put an S.

03:08:41.020 I mean it basically means the same thing.

03:08:43.200 So what.

03:08:43.980 I'm just curious why

03:08:44.740 it's in your Instagram bio.

03:08:46.000 What are you trying to kind of convey?

03:08:47.420 I support women and I.

03:08:54.640 Oh rights.

03:08:55.900 And their rights.

03:08:57.520 You support women.

03:08:59.060 And their rights.

03:08:59.920 Okay.

03:09:00.140 So do you consider yourself a feminist?

03:09:02.660 I believe what I want to believe

03:09:04.480 but I don't slap a label on it.

03:09:07.280 What rights do you want women to have

03:09:08.680 that they don't have?

03:09:09.600 I mean it's like freedom over your body

03:09:11.220 type of thing.

03:09:12.180 Well hold on.

03:09:12.620 You have that.

03:09:13.340 While we have.

03:09:14.000 Let her answer go ahead.

03:09:14.900 Abortion rights.

03:09:16.120 Okay.

03:09:16.540 Okay.

03:09:17.560 Well anything else?

03:09:19.480 There's one but we cannot discuss it

03:09:21.800 on the podcast

03:09:23.540 because it has to do with one topic

03:09:25.360 we can't talk about.

03:09:26.700 Are you talking about S.A.?

03:09:28.520 I'm talking.

03:09:30.640 P.E.D.O.

03:09:33.280 Okay.

03:09:34.560 So I know what you're talking about.

03:09:35.800 What does that have to do with women's rights?

03:09:38.380 Well no.

03:09:38.980 I was talking about also all rights in general.

03:09:41.740 But.

03:09:41.960 Right.

03:09:42.200 No.

03:09:42.340 But you said women.

03:09:44.220 The type of women.

03:09:45.660 Women's rights.

03:09:46.440 So I was saying abortion rights.

03:09:50.360 Okay.

03:09:50.920 Anything else?

03:09:52.460 But the other one.

03:09:53.400 How does that word you just spoke.

03:09:55.400 How did we.

03:09:57.360 How does that have to do with women's rights?

03:09:59.000 How did we make the.

03:09:59.800 How did we make that jump.

03:10:01.540 Brian.

03:10:01.900 How did we make the jump to.

03:10:03.600 What does that have to do with women's rights?

03:10:05.620 I think I was just talking about rights.

03:10:07.020 The right to be that shall not be infringed.

03:10:09.200 What.

03:10:09.380 What.

03:10:10.080 No.

03:10:10.380 What.

03:10:10.940 What do you.

03:10:11.380 What do you mean?

03:10:11.900 Because I'll leave right now.

03:10:13.200 Like basic women's rights that are.

03:10:15.780 Like.

03:10:16.680 Questioned to be taken away or not.

03:10:19.180 By.

03:10:20.260 Non-women.

03:10:21.420 I don't know.

03:10:22.580 No.

03:10:22.880 That.

03:10:23.200 You can't even correlate.

03:10:24.020 How about we just let her speak.

03:10:25.820 Okay.

03:10:26.140 Go ahead.

03:10:27.280 No.

03:10:27.560 I went off topic on there.

03:10:29.600 From women's rights to a different race.

03:10:31.840 Yes.

03:10:32.100 Yeah.

03:10:32.220 I'm sure we all agree that that's a bad thing.

03:10:33.800 So.

03:10:34.000 Okay.

03:10:34.180 Back to the.

03:10:34.640 Yeah.

03:10:35.300 Interrupting.

03:10:35.760 So.

03:10:35.940 Okay.

03:10:36.160 Women's rights.

03:10:37.800 What.

03:10:38.860 Abortion.

03:10:39.640 Yep.

03:10:39.980 Abortion.

03:10:41.600 Can.

03:10:43.800 Trying to even freaking think.

03:10:45.840 Equal pay.

03:10:48.080 Okay.

03:10:48.540 What else?

03:10:49.440 I am blanking right now.

03:10:51.400 That's all I could think of at the moment.

03:10:53.320 Okay.

03:10:53.880 Equal pay.

03:10:54.840 Women.

03:10:55.400 So.

03:10:55.820 Question.

03:10:56.080 Two key ones.

03:10:56.880 When it comes to sports, do you think, for example, female soccer players should be paid

03:11:02.100 the same as male soccer players?

03:11:03.740 No.

03:11:04.480 Hold on.

03:11:04.980 Okay.

03:11:05.380 Hold on.

03:11:06.260 Just let her answer the question.

03:11:07.980 Okay?

03:11:08.460 Go ahead.

03:11:08.820 Sorry.

03:11:09.560 Well, I don't know how much either of them make, but.

03:11:12.120 Let's just say the men make more.

03:11:14.660 Like, egregiously more.

03:11:16.820 Yeah.

03:11:17.980 Well, that's where the equal rights thing comes in or equal pay thing comes in.

03:11:22.400 Equal pay for equal work.

03:11:23.640 This is a common sport, like, within sports, within that confine.

03:11:27.620 What about basketball?

03:11:28.400 Like, and WEM.

03:11:30.140 So, should WNBA players be paid the same as NBA players?

03:11:38.280 Now I'm stuttering.

03:11:40.020 I mean, is it?

03:11:40.920 Is that really the.

03:11:41.940 Hold on.

03:11:42.300 Hold on.

03:11:42.800 She can collect herself.

03:11:44.280 Let her speak.

03:11:45.780 You can think.

03:11:46.340 Yeah, that's fine.

03:11:48.000 I might have to come back to that.

03:11:49.560 I can't think right now.

03:11:50.680 Well, wouldn't that be within the purview of equal pay?

03:11:57.760 On working.

03:12:00.460 So, like, in the NBA, just to embellish on the example, the NBA, there are guys who make

03:12:06.680 on the order of millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions.

03:12:09.840 And then in the WNBA, it's, like, on the order of tens of thousands.

03:12:14.880 And why is that?

03:12:16.240 Do you think that's, in the, in the, in the argument of equal pay, do you think that's

03:12:22.780 fair?

03:12:23.500 Yes.

03:12:24.360 Hold on.

03:12:24.920 The question.

03:12:25.380 We'll let her.

03:12:25.840 The question is for her.

03:12:32.480 Grab a blank.

03:12:33.640 I am totally blanking.

03:12:34.940 There's no right or wrong.

03:12:35.860 Like, it's just your opinion.

03:12:39.040 There's no right or wrong.

03:12:40.400 Okay.

03:12:40.880 Right or wrong answer.

03:12:41.580 And I'll just say it.

03:12:42.880 I feel like it's also maybe based on, based on, like, on how I'm going to say views on

03:12:52.080 who views more of, like, the male NBA should, like, okay, if this has enough views, why not

03:12:58.480 pay them more?

03:12:59.240 That's a pretty logical way of looking at it.

03:13:01.040 And then if the other one's, like, okay, the other one has less views, why?

03:13:07.440 Fair enough.

03:13:08.040 Just, still a decent pay, though.

03:13:10.500 Just, oh.

03:13:10.860 Yeah.

03:13:11.220 So, I guess, now, pivot to, say, my field.

03:13:15.600 We're engineering.

03:13:17.380 Say that I make a, say, $150,000.

03:13:23.500 I'm just going to pull a number out of the air.

03:13:24.760 And there's a lady in my same department, and she's making, say, $120,000.

03:13:33.640 Do you think that's fair?

03:13:37.160 That you're getting paid more than her?

03:13:39.240 Yeah.

03:13:41.360 Doing the same job.

03:13:42.680 Okay.

03:13:43.140 Yeah.

03:13:43.860 With the same dude.

03:13:44.680 Okay.

03:13:44.960 Well, okay.

03:13:45.540 Just doing the same job.

03:13:47.840 Well, we can bring in other factors later.

03:13:52.060 But doing the same job, do you think that'd be fair?

03:13:55.180 No.

03:13:56.260 Okay.

03:13:56.900 I feel like it could be based on the experience and.

03:14:00.080 Yeah, yeah.

03:14:00.540 So, generally speaking.

03:14:02.220 Don't give it to a monkey.

03:14:04.020 Yeah.

03:14:05.040 Okay.

03:14:05.560 Well, generally speaking, if you take into account all of those other factors, like, okay,

03:14:11.280 how much does the man work versus how much does the woman work?

03:14:14.980 Regardless of gender, people who work more, more hours, are going to make more money.

03:14:19.580 If they're more adept at your craft, you're going to make more money.

03:14:23.260 You realize that with basketball.

03:14:25.200 More views.

03:14:26.920 Males are generally better athletes.

03:14:28.600 Whatever.

03:14:30.140 So, when it comes to the work environment, the way that translates over is men generally

03:14:36.940 take a lot less time off of work than women do, especially when it comes to, well, men don't

03:14:43.420 have to take pregnancy leave.

03:14:46.360 They will spend more hours at work.

03:14:48.720 They will generally do more work than a woman will.

03:14:51.100 So, given those other factors, do you think it may be fair that, generally speaking, men

03:15:02.020 will make more than women do?

03:15:07.620 What was the question again?

03:15:09.840 No.

03:15:10.340 So, given all the factors that men generally work longer hours than women.

03:15:14.620 Do they, though?

03:15:18.220 They do.

03:15:18.760 Yeah.

03:15:18.980 Statistically, men work longer hours than women.

03:15:21.760 Because of pregnancy?

03:15:21.920 They take less time off.

03:15:23.440 Has nothing to do with pregnancy.

03:15:24.540 They will also, they will pick harder jobs.

03:15:30.180 Jobs that require more effort, more time, more physical labor.

03:15:34.820 Yeah, exactly.

03:15:35.240 All of those things, because all of those factors, do you think that it's fair that men make more

03:15:44.780 than women, on average?

03:15:46.340 Yes.

03:15:48.100 Yes.

03:15:48.820 You got a speak in some mic.

03:15:51.140 Yes.

03:15:51.860 Yeah.

03:15:52.300 So, that's generally where this wage gap number comes in.

03:15:57.640 They will claim that, but ignore all of those, all of those, I don't know, all of that criteria

03:16:06.660 that you should be considering.

03:16:08.640 They'll just say, women make 70 cents on the dollar, and they will ignore all of those

03:16:13.060 other factors.

03:16:14.540 So, I appreciate that you're logically genuine with.

03:16:18.700 But my question is, what happens with all the, was it, you say the males that make more,

03:16:24.100 but why do they don't show up to work?

03:16:27.760 They have ass shit.

03:16:29.700 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

03:16:30.180 Hold on.

03:16:30.700 Hold on.

03:16:31.360 Hold on.

03:16:31.760 Hold on.

03:16:32.340 Hold on a sec.

03:16:33.540 I got this.

03:16:34.340 Okay.

03:16:35.200 Wait, wait, wait.

03:16:35.980 Explain to me.

03:16:37.120 Hold on.

03:16:38.200 So, your position is that men are, and they actually have statistics on this.

03:16:43.780 Your position is, is that men are, for example, more likely to take time off or sick leave?

03:16:49.120 I was saying, sometimes, yes, we do have those hard workers out there, but sometimes.

03:16:53.520 Okay, but if, if we actually analyze statistics, and I told you, for example, that women are

03:16:59.540 more likely to take sick leave, women are more likely to ask for time off.

03:17:04.040 But what about the one guy that doesn't want to show up?

03:17:06.860 Yes, there are men, yes, there are men who are slackers and take sick leave, et cetera.

03:17:10.340 And don't show up at all.

03:17:10.780 Women are more likely to, though.

03:17:12.440 Men are more likely to work a graveyard shift.

03:17:15.520 They're more likely to relocate to bumfuck North Dakota and live in a 300-population town.

03:17:22.440 And they're more likely to work in dangerous, difficult jobs, for example.

03:17:28.520 When it's 3 a.m. and the power goes out and it's below freezing, you're going to see a man out there

03:17:34.480 trying to get that figured out so the power can come back on.

03:17:37.500 And for you to say it's his choice, it might be his choice to do that, but without hard-working men

03:17:44.880 and blue-collar men, America would not exist.

03:17:48.560 Why wouldn't it be argued?

03:17:50.140 Then you go out and do the power lines.

03:17:51.500 You go friggin' be an iron worker.

03:17:53.340 You go be an electrician.

03:17:54.460 You go do that.

03:17:54.880 There are women that do do that.

03:17:57.380 Yeah, but you don't base your argument off of the minority.

03:18:00.060 You base your argument off of what's the government.

03:18:02.740 I personally don't.

03:18:04.020 This is my personal thing.

03:18:04.640 Hold up one at a time.

03:18:05.600 And I don't think that that decision should be made off of a statistic more individually, I would say.

03:18:14.260 The issue that we're trying to discuss right now is should the wage gap be something that is combated?

03:18:21.480 Or do we realize that there are factors that make it so that men generally will make more than women?

03:18:28.560 I agree on both ends.

03:18:29.680 I think if we actually...

03:18:32.480 It needs to be met in the middle.

03:18:33.800 Like those two ideas need to be met in the middle.

03:18:36.080 No, okay, so when you start to equate or when you account for all of those factors,

03:18:42.080 if you go to major metropolitan areas like Los Angeles or New York,

03:18:46.880 women actually make more than men do.

03:18:49.500 Yeah.

03:18:49.840 Even though that they take more sick leave, they...

03:18:53.820 Yeah, but sick leaves are like if it's pregnancy, like it's like you don't...

03:18:56.920 Well, so they choose jobs that don't require nearly as much demand.

03:19:01.780 They don't work longer hours.

03:19:04.340 So in a lot of major metropolitan areas,

03:19:08.260 it seems to be that women on average will make more than men.

03:19:12.160 Like there's an actual disparity,

03:19:13.740 even though they don't work harder than those other men.

03:19:16.340 Well, another thing to take into consideration too,

03:19:18.560 which it's kind of, to hate on myself, I guess, almost a dumb point here,

03:19:24.240 but let's put it this way.

03:19:26.520 Okay, how many male electricians do you know versus women?

03:19:31.060 A lot more men, right?

03:19:32.960 Yeah, men predominate the trades.

03:19:34.320 And, okay, when it comes, same thing, welding, plumbing, whatever it might be,

03:19:38.520 any blue collar job is going to be predominantly men.

03:19:41.440 But guess what?

03:19:42.100 You get a woman in that position.

03:19:44.800 She makes a fucking TikTok account.

03:19:47.160 She is now not only profiting off of her job,

03:19:50.300 she's also profiting off of posting videos,

03:19:53.040 basically boasting about how she's a woman in that field.

03:19:57.060 So she's getting profit not only from her job,

03:20:00.140 she's also getting profit now from being a minority,

03:20:05.180 I guess you could say, in that field.

03:20:07.180 Is that a bad thing?

03:20:07.780 So basically what I'm getting at here is women have the opportunity,

03:20:11.180 yeah, if they want to work in those fields,

03:20:12.540 they can work in those fields.

03:20:13.360 Not only that, they're going to get more limelight off of it

03:20:15.820 because of doing that.

03:20:17.820 So they do have more opportunity if they really wanted to.

03:20:20.700 If they wanted to go into that field,

03:20:22.200 they can profit off it in so many other ways

03:20:24.320 than just the daily paycheck.

03:20:26.320 I have to move it on.

03:20:27.280 That's not really what we're arguing.

03:20:28.600 So, I mean, here, I'll bring it back a little bit to dating.

03:20:31.280 I want to go around the table.

03:20:33.020 Do you think a guy should pay for the first date?

03:20:35.660 I think it kind of depends on the situation.

03:20:37.800 I think it depends on who initiated the date.

03:20:41.260 Like who asked who out, you know what I mean?

03:20:43.440 More often than not, at least in your own experience,

03:20:46.420 are you asking men out or are you asking men out

03:20:49.440 or are they asking you out?

03:20:51.920 I would say more often.

03:20:52.640 First date, first date.

03:20:53.820 LR donated $200.

03:20:58.600 Bummed the military chick left so soon.

03:21:01.240 Would love to as her thoughts were on the statistics of promiscuity

03:21:04.660 among military subculture.

03:21:06.840 They are higher than civilian pop.

03:21:09.040 Rematch, would love.

03:21:10.880 Yeah.

03:21:11.620 Yeah.

03:21:14.060 Maybe she should come on when Andrew's in person.

03:21:16.560 Thank you, LR.

03:21:17.480 Appreciate it.

03:21:18.020 So, okay, going back to this, you said it depends.

03:21:22.420 I asked more often than not, when it comes to who you're initiating with,

03:21:27.440 are you initiating first dates?

03:21:29.520 I would say majority of the time I'm the one getting asked on a first date.

03:21:33.580 However, I'm not afraid to, like, approach a man if I'm interested in him.

03:21:37.880 Have you ever done that?

03:21:39.080 Yeah, of course I have.

03:21:39.900 Okay, so how many first dates would you say you've been on?

03:21:43.920 Oh, probably, like, rough estimate, like, 30, 40.

03:21:48.400 I took a little bit of a break from dating just because I was really busy with school,

03:21:52.860 and I was trying to focus more on school and, like, getting grades,

03:21:55.780 and I work, too, as a student.

03:21:57.960 So let's say it's 40 first dates that you've been on.

03:22:02.120 Of those 40, how many of them did you ask the guy out?

03:22:06.720 I'd say, like, maybe three or four, but also that being said, too, I've been on first dates, too,

03:22:15.340 where the man insists on paying, and I'm the one who...

03:22:18.140 Even though you asked?

03:22:19.220 Yes, and if he insists on paying, of course I'll pull out my credit card,

03:22:22.940 and I'll be like, no, no, no, I'll offer it if they're like, oh, don't worry about it, I'm paying.

03:22:26.080 And my go-to is I'm like, no, no, it's okay, we can split it.

03:22:29.320 And I pull out my credit card, I offer to split it,

03:22:31.560 and if he keeps pushing and he, like, tells me two or three times, no, no, no, I want to pay for it,

03:22:36.380 I'll let him pay for it.

03:22:37.460 But after I've made that, like...

03:22:39.000 But will you only offer in the instances where you ask the guy out?

03:22:44.320 I feel like it kind of depends on, like, case-by-case basis.

03:22:47.780 It kind of depends on, like, how expensive the date is, what our vibe is.

03:22:52.160 But majority of the time, I will try to offer to pay 50-50,

03:22:55.260 but most of the time, they'll be like, it's okay, I got it, I'll try it, and then I just put it away.

03:23:00.340 Well, your position was, you said whoever asks should pay, right?

03:23:03.380 Yeah, but it's also, that's what I think, but also, when you're on a date,

03:23:07.780 there's other factors that go into it.

03:23:09.460 If not just, like, adhering to a strict rule when I'm going out on these situations.

03:23:13.740 Like, the world's not black and white.

03:23:14.960 Like, I feel like this is kind of a gray area question for me, at least.

03:23:18.600 Like, that's what I believe as a general principle.

03:23:22.120 But then when I'm in a situation, there might be other little factors that kind of change how I'm feeling in the moment.

03:23:27.000 Does that make sense?

03:23:28.620 Sure.

03:23:29.740 Okay.

03:23:30.400 It's just, it's always interesting to me when I, people say, whoever asks should pay.

03:23:36.200 But it kind of ignores the fact that de facto men are overwhelmingly the initiators.

03:23:44.940 So, to say that, well, whoever asks should pay, you might as well just say men.

03:23:50.180 Like, I don't, no, because I've been on.

03:23:52.880 But women, but most women are not initiating.

03:23:56.180 I mean, take your own anecdotal experience.

03:23:59.720 You said you've been on about 40 first dates.

03:24:02.060 In only three or four of those, you were the asker.

03:24:04.260 So, that's 10% of the time you, 90% of the time men.

03:24:09.040 So, how can you argue against me on this, given your own anecdotal experience, that in 90% of all your first date experiences, men were the ones who asked you out?

03:24:21.040 Could you clarify your argument again?

03:24:22.900 I just want to make sure that we're on the same page on this.

03:24:26.240 Okay.

03:24:26.780 So, you're pushing back.

03:24:28.180 So, I'm saying overwhelmingly men are the initiators.

03:24:30.860 And in your own anecdotal experience, you were the initiator in only 10% of all the first dates you've ever been on.

03:24:39.840 90% of those were initiated by men.

03:24:42.660 Wouldn't this be evidence enough for you to conclude that men are overwhelmingly going to be the initiators?

03:24:49.380 I would agree with your point.

03:24:51.760 I would say that oftentimes it is men who are the initiators.

03:24:54.740 I don't.

03:24:56.240 Right.

03:24:56.900 But so, don't you think it's a bit, I mean, to just say that whoever asked should pay, I think this line of reasoning would make more sense if men and women were asking each other out at comparable rates.

03:25:08.500 So, if it was about 50-50, I think this would make much more sense.

03:25:13.260 But it sort of ignores this, like, differential here where if men overwhelmingly are asking women on dates, then...

03:25:24.500 They automatically have to pay?

03:25:28.480 Because they asked an amount?

03:25:30.480 Is that what you mean?

03:25:30.980 I mean, that's how it typically goes.

03:25:33.980 That's how it typically goes.

03:25:35.260 So, anyways, don't really need to linger too long on that, but just always an interesting point when people say whoever asked should pay, while men overwhelmingly are the initiators.

03:25:45.320 So, kind of ignores that.

03:25:47.080 But, Morgan, what about you?

03:25:48.840 Who do you think should pay on a first date?

03:25:50.520 I think that women should offer to split, but, I mean, if a man is going to insist that he pays, then, like, that's his choice, I guess.

03:25:59.420 Well, what if you were on a date?

03:26:01.180 Because sometimes it's like a token gesture.

03:26:04.060 Okay.

03:26:05.260 Like, I'm going to reach for the wallet, but then if the guy's like, oh, cool, let's split, you would feel a certain type of way.

03:26:11.700 You'd be like, oh, it was just a token gesture.

03:26:14.360 What are you, socially inept?

03:26:15.740 Yeah.

03:26:17.060 You should say...

03:26:17.960 You're not going to say that, of course, but...

03:26:19.680 Do you mind if I answer that?

03:26:21.380 Like, as if it was, like, some reverse psychology.

03:26:24.680 I will say, just speaking from my point, and I know we're around, like, similar ages, as a college student, I'm really broke.

03:26:33.340 Like, I am working, like, two jobs.

03:26:36.200 Like, I'm just trying to, like, I'm working hard, exactly.

03:26:39.380 So, like, if I'm offering to split, and the person who I'm also on a date with is a college student, and we're offering to split, and he takes me up on that, I'm in a, like, I understand what it's like to be in your shoes.

03:26:50.820 I'm totally fine with splitting, but I think that's kind of, like, my perspective influences that.

03:26:56.140 It might be different if I'm not in college, you know what I mean?

03:26:58.360 Yeah.

03:26:58.860 Would it color your prospects of going on another date with them negatively?

03:27:03.980 No.

03:27:04.600 No.

03:27:05.120 I think that it wouldn't.

03:27:06.260 I'd be like, okay, that's fine.

03:27:07.540 Okay.

03:27:07.720 No, that's fair.

03:27:08.620 What about you?

03:27:09.820 Who should pay on the first date?

03:27:10.940 I feel like it should be either or, because what happens if, like, not everybody's well, like, has money, but sometimes it would help them out, because what happens, even though, despite the guy being broke, you still said yes to the date, despite the financial part you didn't know beforehand.

03:27:34.260 But I feel like it should be 50-50.

03:27:38.420 Has that been your experience with the first dates you've been on?

03:27:41.620 I've only been on two, but.

03:27:43.560 Wait, hold on.

03:27:45.040 You've only been on two first dates, but you've had sexual intercourse with 21 men?

03:27:50.060 Yes.

03:27:50.460 I mean, these were casual encounters.

03:27:53.580 I have only been on two relationships, and then there are times where someone wanted to pay for me, but I did not feel comfortable for them paying for my stuff, so I ended up paying for myself.

03:28:08.920 On the two dates you did go on?

03:28:11.600 On one of the casualty encounters I had, two dates, they both paid, and then one casual encounter wanted to pay, but I said no.

03:28:22.300 Okay, what about you?

03:28:26.380 Okay, okay.

03:28:27.480 First date, who should pay?

03:28:30.360 Honestly, I've always been, like, working, and I've been the only one working for the most part in the dates that I've gone on, so I didn't have a problem, like, paying at all.

03:28:48.360 Okay.

03:28:48.940 And so splitting is not a problem.

03:28:51.240 Well, you date men and women, right?

03:28:52.920 Yeah, yeah.

03:28:53.500 Is there a difference between those two experiences?

03:28:56.920 No.

03:28:56.980 No, not really.

03:28:58.540 So you've always split on dates with men?

03:29:01.620 If they want to, unless, if I'm offering.

03:29:04.140 Wait, but you describe yourself as an, your words, not mine, an L.A. art hoe.

03:29:09.360 Yeah.

03:29:09.780 So are you dating, like, L.A. art bros?

03:29:12.880 No.

03:29:13.200 No, it's not, it's not like there's no, you know, specific type, but regardless, if I'm offering, if I'm offering to pay and I want to do something, I don't have, I committed to that.

03:29:29.000 I don't have a problem, and I don't look at them any less because of that, or if they wanted to split and they offered to take me out.

03:29:35.520 I'll try to, I'll try to wrap this up.

03:29:37.160 Okay.

03:29:37.320 What about you?

03:29:38.700 Here, can you, look, please, just, can you scoot the mic to the very edge of the table?

03:29:43.520 All right.

03:29:44.560 Men.

03:29:44.800 You're going next.

03:29:45.420 Are going to pay.

03:29:46.680 Men should pay.

03:29:47.580 Okay.

03:29:49.080 Men.

03:29:50.280 I believe men should pay, but I do often split.

03:29:52.480 And what do you think, Mason?

03:29:53.720 Should men pay for first dates?

03:29:55.940 In my context, I do always pay, but I totally understand if men don't want to.

03:30:01.580 Okay.

03:30:02.200 So, in a very roundabout way to kind of arrive at the point and why I'm asking this question, we were talking about the wage gap.

03:30:08.500 So, I think ignoring all the other factors we've talked about, the fact that men work more hours, men are more likely to work dangerous jobs, men are more likely to work overtime, et cetera, there's a bunch of reasons.

03:30:19.540 The different kinds of fields that men go into, I think it can actually, ignoring all those other factors, can actually just be the wage gap, since you brought it up, can actually just be explained away, not by something really on a systematic level, but at the woman's level.

03:30:38.920 So, this actually can just be explained away by mating pressure.

03:30:41.740 So, if your expectation, and again, look, some women are fine with splitting, but there are enough women at this table, let's say it's only 50% of women expect men to pay.

03:30:51.460 That's a big enough of a cohort to put enough generalized mating pressure on men to be like, okay, I have to be a provider.

03:30:58.920 And in addition to just paying the first date, this sort of expectation that men be providing extends well into relationships, too, into marriage, having children, et cetera.

03:31:10.540 So, if the expectation is for men to be providers and to pay for first dates, this puts a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist at all in women.

03:31:20.020 And so, the wage gap can simply just be explained away on this sole metric.

03:31:25.400 It's actually women that put pressure on men to become high achievers and to make money.

03:31:31.860 Because if we don't make money and we can't provide for you, then we are at a disadvantage in the dating marketplace.

03:31:41.640 And on average, women have a stronger preference than men for wealth and status in a partner.

03:31:47.220 So, and this difference, it's found in all societies.

03:31:50.100 And it's even found among women who are high earners themselves, the more money a woman makes, she's going to look for the man to make just as much or more money than she does.

03:32:00.420 Whereas wealthy men will regularly date women who are not in their socioeconomic bracket.

03:32:06.980 So, I guess just to put a cap in it, the wage gap is simply explained away by women's own preference for high status and high earning men.

03:32:16.820 You may be right, but that doesn't make it, like, right.

03:32:21.940 I don't think that that pressure should necessarily be put on men either.

03:32:25.780 But it is.

03:32:26.500 You heard multiple women at the stable.

03:32:28.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:32:28.440 I know.

03:32:28.880 It is, but.

03:32:29.740 Right.

03:32:30.080 But we deal in, so men, we deal in reality.

03:32:34.280 So, if there's 50% of the female population, that's like men have to pay for first dates.

03:32:41.700 So, what do you think, do you think, what is like one of the number one motivations?

03:32:46.820 In life.

03:32:48.700 Do you think.

03:32:48.980 It's supposed to be money.

03:32:50.940 But, okay.

03:32:51.600 Or mating.

03:32:52.600 But do you think mating pressure has a significant impact on the choices that we make?

03:32:59.020 I mean, yeah.

03:33:01.060 The way we dress, the way we look, we want to be appealing to the opposite sex.

03:33:05.380 We want to pursue a good career so we can make a lot of money, so we can be appealing to women.

03:33:09.500 But you should want that for yourself.

03:33:11.160 That's the point.

03:33:11.960 Like, that I.

03:33:12.500 But to what end?

03:33:14.360 What do you mean to what end?

03:33:15.440 But most, like.

03:33:16.640 To the end of if I.

03:33:18.360 On a base evolutionary basis.

03:33:22.340 Like, what's our primary goal?

03:33:25.360 I mean, I guess I'm not really thinking about that at all.

03:33:27.580 I'm thinking about that, like, if real equality and things like that are supposed to be achieved, you're supposed to want that for yourself.

03:33:35.840 I should want to want to be able to provide for myself whether a man can pay for my dinner or not.

03:33:42.160 Like, I want to pay for myself and that person because I want to show that it's not, it doesn't have to be like that.

03:33:48.680 You don't have to have that pressure.

03:33:50.000 Like, it's an equal thing.

03:33:51.460 Okay, there are women out there who are fine with splitting the bill.

03:33:54.640 That's not what I'm arguing.

03:33:55.920 But there are enough women out there who would not be willing to tolerate a man going Dutch on a date to create enough of a pressure on men that this mating pressure will be a greater motivational factor in achievement.

03:34:08.860 There is no equivalent mating pressure.

03:34:11.820 Like, as women, you might be motivated to become successful, but not for dating reasons.

03:34:18.780 You're not going to be like, I want the high-paying job so that men will like me.

03:34:23.320 No, no, no, no.

03:34:23.800 But that's not what, I know, I know.

03:34:25.820 You can be motivated for your own reasons.

03:34:29.740 Like, women can be absolutely motivated.

03:34:32.080 Right.

03:34:32.540 But it's not clear to me if this additional motivation exists in women.

03:34:36.800 I want a high-paying job so men will like me.

03:34:40.060 No, no, no.

03:34:40.660 That's not even it.

03:34:41.580 That's not even it.

03:34:42.400 But, like, if that is going to be changed and you want that equality, why keep going with that agenda and not, like, communicate?

03:34:53.680 Who says we want that equality?

03:34:54.340 I'm not sure what you're arguing.

03:34:55.520 Okay, that's exactly what you just said.

03:34:57.240 That's what people preach all the time.

03:34:58.220 That's what a lot of women preach all the time.

03:34:59.940 Why do you want equality so bad?

03:35:01.020 Why do you want to take, you know what, that's...

03:35:02.760 Why do you want to be a man?

03:35:04.120 Honestly, like, that is what's creating such beta men.

03:35:07.100 I would like to know...

03:35:07.860 That is creating such beta men.

03:35:09.440 If I care about that, because I care about me being able to, if nobody else is able to do that, I want to be able to do it for myself and not worry about that person.

03:35:20.500 No, but you can split the bill.

03:35:21.720 There's nothing stopping you from splitting the bill.

03:35:24.220 But we're having a conversation about wage gap here.

03:35:27.560 Yeah, I get that.

03:35:28.800 And so my explanation is, simply put, that there is a mating pressure, which is extremely powerful on men.

03:35:38.160 Also, men have higher sex drives than women.

03:35:41.260 So in addition, not only do they have a higher sex drive...

03:35:43.960 Hell yeah, they do.

03:35:45.860 That's fine.

03:35:46.440 Like, generally speaking, men have a higher sex drive, and then coupled with this mating pressure that exists on men that does not exist on women.

03:35:54.980 It's a generalization that is kind of, in my opinion, fucking it up.

03:35:59.120 So what we're trying to say is, like, the gender pay gap, we're not saying it's not there.

03:36:05.880 We're just saying it's not a matter of injustice.

03:36:08.760 It's a matter of just reality.

03:36:10.920 It's there for a reason.

03:36:11.800 Well, and the reality is there...

03:36:13.840 I'm completely agreeing, too.

03:36:15.380 I'm not saying...

03:36:16.300 Yeah, well, and the reality is there, because men and women are totally different.

03:36:19.940 So our motivations, our pressures, all of this stuff is totally different.

03:36:23.920 So there's a reason why men have all of this pressure to get there.

03:36:27.520 Well, I like what Brian said, as far as with women that are trying to work high-paying jobs, they're not doing it to be more attractive to men.

03:36:37.180 They're doing it for...

03:36:38.280 And I'm not saying this to sound mean or nasty or anything, but they're doing it for their own selfish reasons.

03:36:43.960 They're doing it because they want to be breadwinners.

03:36:46.700 They want to make money.

03:36:47.800 They're not doing it necessarily for the family domain, where I feel like men usually have that more mindset of, I'm doing this because I want to care for my family.

03:36:56.320 Generally speaking, women bought the lie that corporate America sold them hook, line, and seeker, that it's more fulfilling to pursue a job than pursue family.

03:37:05.620 Yeah.

03:37:06.080 And why as women do you want to be so equal to men?

03:37:08.940 That's so odd to me.

03:37:11.040 Like, equal to men on the man plane field.

03:37:13.320 Because there are times where...

03:37:15.140 Let's let Brian...

03:37:16.740 No, we'll move it on.

03:37:18.100 I don't know if you wanted to comment on...

03:37:21.700 Okay.

03:37:22.920 All right.

03:37:24.300 So, let's see.

03:37:25.440 Getting into my notes here.

03:37:26.860 Oh, Jess.

03:37:27.940 Jess.

03:37:28.620 Okay, Jess.

03:37:29.940 Here we go.

03:37:30.860 I'm just kidding.

03:37:31.620 I looked at your Instagram.

03:37:33.600 Oh, no.

03:37:34.020 Oh, no.

03:37:36.100 I don't know if this is actually...

03:37:37.880 Wait, Nick, can you put it on intro really quick?

03:37:39.640 I just want to ask if it's fair game.

03:37:41.140 Yeah.

03:37:48.100 I'm watching.

03:38:15.500 We're good.

03:38:16.260 Okay.

03:38:16.420 Andrew's probably still getting audio on his end.

03:38:21.160 So, okay.

03:38:21.960 I did see on your Instagram...

03:38:23.640 So, you dated somebody who was in the Hells Angels?

03:38:26.920 I did, yeah.

03:38:27.760 For eight years of my life, yeah.

03:38:29.300 And were you, like, affiliated or not?

03:38:32.700 I mean, affiliated.

03:38:33.740 I mean, I'm a woman.

03:38:35.040 I have nothing to do with it.

03:38:36.140 Okay.

03:38:36.700 And when we met, he was just, like, a normal dude.

03:38:40.280 I mean, he was a normal dude for forever.

03:38:42.580 But, I mean, you know...

03:38:43.900 Not affiliated.

03:38:44.780 Yeah.

03:38:45.020 Are there, like, female bike groups?

03:38:49.140 Not with Hells Angels.

03:38:50.620 Okay.

03:38:53.940 Sorry.

03:38:54.920 Wait, were you involved, too?

03:38:56.760 No.

03:38:56.860 No.

03:38:57.000 She had, no.

03:38:57.720 That's why I'm, like...

03:38:58.760 So, no.

03:38:59.660 There is...

03:39:00.660 No.

03:39:01.080 There's no, like, women...

03:39:02.800 Yes, there are women clubs that ride their own bikes, and they have their own situation.

03:39:06.180 But it has nothing to do with the club.

03:39:08.340 No, not at all.

03:39:09.340 And I had nothing to do with it.

03:39:11.260 I am still...

03:39:11.560 Can you turn your mic down just a tad?

03:39:13.080 You're good?

03:39:13.740 Yeah.

03:39:13.880 I mean, I...

03:39:14.980 I have nothing to do with it.

03:39:16.780 Like, they are still some of very...

03:39:18.920 Some of my great friends.

03:39:20.000 Yeah.

03:39:20.560 You know?

03:39:21.020 Their wives are some of my great friends.

03:39:22.520 It's...

03:39:22.920 I've never had a negative connotation...

03:39:26.100 What is the word I'm looking for?

03:39:28.840 What's the word I'm looking for?

03:39:30.040 Connotation.

03:39:30.400 Do you think all those, like, TV shows kind of get it wrong?

03:39:32.900 Like...

03:39:33.020 Oh, a thousand percent.

03:39:34.180 And, like, literally...

03:39:35.240 There's a...

03:39:35.760 What word am I not supposed to use?

03:39:37.020 Okay.

03:39:37.180 I'm not supposed to use that word.

03:39:39.440 They're, like, silly.

03:39:40.940 Like, it's just, like, they chalk it up to, like, this whole, like, crazy, like, oh, my gosh.

03:39:47.040 Like...

03:39:47.400 I'm like, the amount of charity work they do.

03:39:49.540 Yeah.

03:39:49.880 Don't they do a lot of...

03:39:50.960 I mean, yes, a thousand percent.

03:39:52.920 I mean, every charter, like, Oakland Charter, San Francisco, Bakersfield, Fresno.

03:39:59.520 Fresno has one of the biggest bike giveaways every December.

03:40:02.740 They do a lot for their community.

03:40:04.560 They also do rides for children that have been bullied that have...

03:40:08.140 They will take children to court that have been...

03:40:11.820 Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

03:40:13.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:40:14.060 You know what I mean?

03:40:15.020 They do a lot.

03:40:15.500 They, like, protect them.

03:40:16.280 Yeah.

03:40:16.680 And, I mean, in any negative...

03:40:18.560 That freaking word is not coming to my head, and it's really...

03:40:22.120 Connotation?

03:40:23.400 Connotation.

03:40:23.760 Thank you.

03:40:24.000 Negative connotation.

03:40:24.960 Sorry.

03:40:25.460 Thank you.

03:40:25.540 Negative connotation.

03:40:26.880 Thank you.

03:40:28.060 And, you know, like, and as far as...

03:40:29.700 I interrupted my Bee Gees for this, but...

03:40:31.960 Sorry.

03:40:32.800 I mean, in any way you want to say how they treat women, honestly, I have never met a man

03:40:39.400 in this organization that has treated their children wrong, their wives wrong.

03:40:44.840 They are, like, I know them as family men, like, you know what I mean?

03:40:48.580 And just...

03:40:49.940 So, it's just really different.

03:40:51.660 I mean, obviously, it's...

03:40:53.160 There are, you know, things are different.

03:40:56.460 Okay.

03:40:57.280 All right.

03:40:57.520 I was just curious about that.

03:40:58.980 Yeah.

03:40:59.000 I saw that, but I'm sure you had a lot of cool, interesting stories.

03:41:03.520 Oh, I had a great time.

03:41:05.500 I mean, I...

03:41:06.540 To this day, you know, they're some of my greatest friends.

03:41:09.060 It's some of my greatest experiences.

03:41:10.420 And, I mean, I travel all over, and I've been to see members in many different countries,

03:41:17.940 and they open their homes and, you know, food, and just, they take care of you.

03:41:22.960 Cool, cool.

03:41:23.420 Going to Daria, you have a couple interesting tattoos.

03:41:28.080 You have a...

03:41:28.820 What's the BRR?

03:41:30.060 Don't show us, but...

03:41:31.420 The BRRR tattoo?

03:41:33.000 What's that?

03:41:34.080 Burr.

03:41:35.020 Burr.

03:41:35.680 It's like...

03:41:36.320 For Gucci Mane.

03:41:37.340 I was literally just...

03:41:38.640 I was definitely...

03:41:39.420 It's right above your hoo-ha.

03:41:40.480 Yes, yes.

03:41:42.040 It's like right...

03:41:43.020 It was supposed to be like a double...

03:41:46.040 I don't know, dude.

03:41:46.960 I was 20 and not in the best, like, mental state to pick a tattoo, but...

03:41:54.260 Okay.

03:41:54.900 I don't regret it.

03:41:55.920 We should do a tattoo segment.

03:41:56.160 Like, I'm a fan.

03:41:57.140 I'm still a fan.

03:41:58.200 You gotta do a tattoo segment on this.

03:41:59.580 We're not a tattoo!

03:42:00.420 Bring me back on that, because I'll be a tattoo.

03:42:03.980 Do you think perhaps the reason you made the choice for the tattoo...

03:42:06.580 What?

03:42:06.720 ...is because your prefrontal cortex was not fully...

03:42:10.400 No, no, no.

03:42:11.580 No, totally not.

03:42:12.840 You're not gonna give me that one.

03:42:13.820 I don't know.

03:42:14.360 I have one that says 70s bush on my leg.

03:42:16.600 I still fully stand by that.

03:42:18.460 I was a fan and still am a fan of Gucci Mane, so...

03:42:22.700 So that's...

03:42:23.140 Okay, it's a reference to a song.

03:42:23.800 I just didn't want to get an eye...

03:42:24.900 What does Moda stand for?

03:42:26.980 Moda?

03:42:28.280 It's, I guess, Italian for...

03:42:32.280 Moda.

03:42:33.720 ...trend in or, like, fashion.

03:42:35.760 But it also is the same kind of, um, same pronunciation in my language, in Farsi, too.

03:42:42.340 Okay.

03:42:43.140 And then you, on your, one of your cheeks...

03:42:46.140 Yeah.

03:42:46.380 ...you have a tattoo that says harder.

03:42:48.320 You, you just go for the...

03:42:49.640 It was on your Instagram.

03:42:50.840 It was on your Instagram.

03:42:51.820 No, I know.

03:42:52.500 I was just curious.

03:42:53.320 So, uh, it's on your...

03:42:54.440 Is it really loud?

03:42:54.740 No?

03:42:54.980 It's on the cheek?

03:42:56.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:42:56.320 And it says harder.

03:42:57.640 Yeah, yeah.

03:42:58.360 What's...

03:42:59.520 Does that...

03:43:00.320 Is that, like, a sex thing?

03:43:01.220 Yes, and, like, my ex-fiancee stick-and-poked it.

03:43:05.480 It was, like, romantic, and, like, I don't know, dude.

03:43:09.160 That was the craziest relationship I had, so I don't, I don't regret it.

03:43:13.520 It was, it was still a great time.

03:43:16.000 So, like, but...

03:43:17.260 Poetic.

03:43:19.360 So, it's, it kind of, like, alleviates you...

03:43:22.660 From?

03:43:23.240 ...from having the talk.

03:43:24.880 What talk?

03:43:25.760 You just say tattoo.

03:43:27.440 You just say tattoo.

03:43:28.200 Oh, like, what I want, what I prefer, or what?

03:43:30.720 You just point.

03:43:31.160 I guess, I don't know.

03:43:32.460 I mean, I guess it does.

03:43:34.580 Yeah.

03:43:35.180 Better for me.

03:43:35.940 I'm waiting for a girl.

03:43:37.120 It would be nice if it was...

03:43:37.920 I don't have a problem with that at all.

03:43:39.640 I'm surprised you didn't notice this one.

03:43:42.600 What?

03:43:43.140 Is that...

03:43:43.900 Is that a check?

03:43:45.500 That's literally the same one that Angelina Jolie has.

03:43:48.680 Did you have one shoes with Billy Bob?

03:43:49.920 Did you fuck Billy Bob?

03:43:51.160 Hell no.

03:43:52.080 He's hot, though.

03:43:52.720 No, I did not fuck Billy Bob.

03:43:54.400 He is hot.

03:43:54.860 But also...

03:43:56.100 He cast a spell on Angelina Jolie, so...

03:43:58.780 I didn't want to get a name tattoo for who I was dating.

03:44:03.740 And so, like, we picked, like, satirical...

03:44:05.560 So you got another man's?

03:44:06.620 We picked satirical, like, celebrities that had tattoos of each other or whatever.

03:44:11.720 So he tattooed, like, a chick's...

03:44:12.260 He did wino forever.

03:44:13.860 Oh, God.

03:44:14.760 Johnny Depp?

03:44:15.580 Yeah.

03:44:16.180 Johnny Depp.

03:44:17.100 I loved it.

03:44:18.540 Better than...

03:44:19.180 I don't...

03:44:19.720 Do you regret any of them?

03:44:21.220 No, I don't.

03:44:22.160 I don't.

03:44:22.600 Not at all.

03:44:23.380 Not at all.

03:44:24.320 I mean, some of them maybe are, like...

03:44:27.220 Could be fixed up to look nicer than what I could afford at that age.

03:44:32.800 But I don't...

03:44:34.000 It's...

03:44:34.320 You regret a tattoo.

03:44:35.260 It's, like, regretting a part of your past that you believed in so strongly to tattoo at that time.

03:44:44.000 I think it'll fix itself.

03:44:45.620 Sorry, guys.

03:44:45.980 We're getting a little bit of lag, boys.

03:44:48.360 We're getting some lag while we're getting the lag.

03:44:51.220 Hold on, boys.

03:44:52.560 What does the chat say, Nick?

03:44:54.400 It says Scott.

03:44:55.800 Ooh, it's still bad.

03:44:56.840 Hold on.

03:44:57.860 It looks like it...

03:44:59.060 Oh.

03:44:59.840 Hold on.

03:45:02.040 Andrew, can you hear us?

03:45:04.020 Andrew.

03:45:04.420 Breaking up a little bit.

03:45:07.880 It looks like it...

03:45:09.020 Nope.

03:45:09.560 Hey, Nick, stop the virtual cam.

03:45:11.760 Stop the virtual cam.

03:45:12.960 Oh.

03:45:13.160 I'm sorry about my conversation.

03:45:14.980 That's all I hear.

03:45:16.220 I think stopping the virtual cam might help it a little bit, potentially.

03:45:21.460 Rip.

03:45:23.180 Rip.

03:45:24.460 Sorry, guys.

03:45:25.480 Those of you who are watching this back on replay, we are having internet.

03:45:29.700 It's, like...

03:45:31.080 I can't hear it.

03:45:32.320 Give me one sec, boys.

03:45:33.520 One sec.

03:45:35.500 Buffering?

03:45:36.660 I think...

03:45:37.700 Experiencing dropped frames.

03:45:39.460 Frick.

03:45:41.860 Do-do-do-do-do-do.

03:45:43.780 So the elevator music.

03:45:45.000 Awkward.

03:45:46.320 All these people who are watching this back on playback, it's going to be...

03:45:49.840 I'm going to give it 30 seconds, Nick.

03:45:51.420 Oh.

03:45:52.160 Oh.

03:45:52.660 Are we back, boys?

03:45:54.080 Are we back?

03:45:55.680 Are we freaking back, boys?

03:45:57.560 We might be.

03:45:58.420 We're in there like somewhere.

03:45:59.240 I think we're back.

03:46:00.780 Are we back?

03:46:01.900 I do.

03:46:02.780 W?

03:46:03.740 In the chat?

03:46:04.980 Refresh that shit, boys.

03:46:06.200 Are we back?

03:46:07.120 Oh, we are so back.

03:46:09.120 Nice.

03:46:09.580 We are so back.

03:46:11.320 All right.

03:46:11.700 You can give them the virtual cam.

03:46:13.060 We'll be nice.

03:46:13.640 Give them the virtual cam.

03:46:14.760 All right.

03:46:15.380 Where's Michael?

03:46:16.640 Colin Cobb.

03:46:17.280 Who knows?

03:46:17.880 Okay.

03:46:18.380 All right.

03:46:19.180 We are back, boys.

03:46:20.080 Hit the refresh.

03:46:20.800 Sorry about that.

03:46:21.580 Okay.

03:46:21.840 I don't know where we were.

03:46:23.140 While we're just kind of coming back to the tattoo stuff, Morgan, can I have you read this

03:46:29.560 chat, please?

03:46:30.680 Yeah.

03:46:31.560 Is there no more of an anecdote than personal experience?

03:46:35.480 What is the majority?

03:46:36.740 Let's be real.

03:46:37.460 A woman and a man out in a freezer trying to get the power on.

03:46:41.000 She's sitting in the truck with the heat.

03:46:43.240 Beth?

03:46:44.880 Not me.

03:46:45.480 I would send her to the freezing cold and be pampered and high maintenance.

03:46:49.720 So that's like supporting the, like, women would never do that.

03:46:52.540 Well, this actually brings us, we haven't had the bullet conversation in a while.

03:46:56.500 Oh, no.

03:46:57.760 Oh, boy.

03:46:59.920 So, truthfully, look, I think that, maybe I should ask the question first.

03:47:05.460 Don't explain it.

03:47:06.880 Don't explain it.

03:47:07.340 Okay.

03:47:07.560 Do you think a man should be willing to take a bullet for his girl?

03:47:13.460 Oh.

03:47:14.860 Like, would he be a little bitch?

03:47:18.660 If he wasn't willing to protect his girl?

03:47:22.040 I think it depends on the level of connection.

03:47:24.040 If it's, like, soulmate level.

03:47:25.200 Is it yes or no?

03:47:26.020 Like, this is your ride or die bomb?

03:47:28.160 Ride or die.

03:47:29.420 She's ride or die.

03:47:30.460 Probably, yes.

03:47:30.800 But also, given that, I feel like it should go for the woman as well.

03:47:34.240 She should also.

03:47:35.100 Yes.

03:47:35.440 And, like, this is completely off topic.

03:47:37.840 Like, completely off topic.

03:47:38.680 But, like, me, non-romantically, like, my little brother and my dad, I would take bullets for them.

03:47:43.840 You know?

03:47:44.260 Like, I think it's totally, yeah, I agree with that.

03:47:47.900 Yeah, it's family, though.

03:47:48.820 Yeah.

03:47:49.080 It's family.

03:47:50.080 Yeah, but, like, even I have, like, guy friends from home, like, I grew up with.

03:47:53.200 And I would take bullets for them, you know?

03:47:55.260 Okay.

03:47:57.580 Guy friends.

03:47:58.480 Is everything okay?

03:47:59.020 Because there's, like, a choir family, and then there's, you have your.

03:48:01.500 Yeah, it's like I grew up with them.

03:48:02.840 They feel like they're a part of my family at this point.

03:48:04.040 Your thoughts, Morgan?

03:48:04.720 I think, yeah, they should, yeah.

03:48:06.000 The guy should?

03:48:06.760 Okay.

03:48:07.220 What about you?

03:48:08.480 Into the mic?

03:48:10.900 She wasn't listening.

03:48:13.920 The guy should.

03:48:15.160 The guy should take the bullet for the girl?

03:48:16.960 Okay.

03:48:17.740 What do you think?

03:48:19.000 I mean, equally, but, like, did he run off?

03:48:22.480 Because then, yes, of course, he's a bitch if he ran off.

03:48:25.600 Okay.

03:48:26.200 All right.

03:48:27.440 If I will, he will.

03:48:29.860 Is that who?

03:48:31.040 Basically, if he should.

03:48:32.440 If I will, he will.

03:48:32.900 If he will, I will.

03:48:33.980 If she will, she should.

03:48:34.980 I can't expect him to do something I wouldn't do.

03:48:37.820 If he's the provider, then no.

03:48:41.940 The provider?

03:48:42.660 I hate.

03:48:43.520 It doesn't matter.

03:48:44.480 Then you're.

03:48:45.960 It does matter.

03:48:46.740 Not being provided for a big matter.

03:48:48.300 I do happen to know one person who did, in fact, run off, and his girl took a bullet for him.

03:48:55.280 Like, that did happen in real time.

03:48:57.740 So, I guess there are all women who will do that.

03:48:59.880 Well, I guess, too, for me, when I say provider, I guess I view it from the standpoint, I do have a child.

03:49:04.680 My child's father is, makes more money than I do.

03:49:08.880 He has a more steady job than I do.

03:49:11.240 He's got his shit together, basically, more than I do.

03:49:16.000 So, that sounds like it makes sense.

03:49:17.580 So, you should take the bullet, then.

03:49:18.960 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

03:49:19.820 Oh, okay.

03:49:20.120 What do you think on the bullet thing?

03:49:21.760 Man.

03:49:22.420 The man should take the bullet.

03:49:23.480 Let them all die.

03:49:24.020 No, I'm joking.

03:49:28.600 Look.

03:49:29.220 If I have to protect myself, why are you there?

03:49:31.040 In chess, you lose if you sacrifice the king to save the queen.

03:49:37.420 Yeah, it's true.

03:49:38.260 Okay, first off.

03:49:39.840 And, obviously.

03:49:40.540 Queen's Gambit, baby.

03:49:41.300 The world maps on to chess.

03:49:44.980 Yes.

03:49:45.440 So.

03:49:46.340 One for one.

03:49:47.880 I play chess, so I can't sing.

03:49:50.280 I'm just saying.

03:49:50.920 I don't know why I brought that up.

03:49:51.940 I do think, but there's this thing, like, if the guy wasn't willing to, like, protect his girlfriend in a situation to the point that he's either maimed or injured or even to the point of death, that he's a little bitch.

03:50:06.120 Thank you.

03:50:06.640 He's a little bitch.

03:50:07.820 Well, I do think it.

03:50:08.620 He don't do shit.

03:50:09.460 I do think it comes into a different stance when there's children involved, though.

03:50:13.540 Let me tell you something.

03:50:14.620 No, but in that moment, you can't even, like.

03:50:16.120 Let me tell you something.

03:50:17.460 Here's what I think, right?

03:50:19.400 All right.

03:50:19.700 You think the guy, you think, people say, oh, he wouldn't be an alpha male.

03:50:23.900 He would be a beta male.

03:50:25.220 Yep.

03:50:25.640 He'd be a little beta bitch.

03:50:27.360 Yeah.

03:50:27.720 If he wasn't willing to take the bullet.

03:50:30.500 But.

03:50:30.580 Because if I were in the blue zone.

03:50:31.860 But, hold on.

03:50:32.560 Hold on.

03:50:33.280 Wouldn't it be the most alpha, sigma, giga, chat move?

03:50:36.580 Oh, my gosh.

03:50:37.200 For you to, for the man to survive and just find some other chick.

03:50:42.320 To impregnate.

03:50:44.080 And just let her.

03:50:45.840 That's the most ganks.

03:50:47.240 That's the alpha male.

03:50:48.340 That's alpha male.

03:50:49.800 I'm kidding.

03:50:50.320 You're going to sacrifice the woman so you can survive and just go find another chick.

03:50:55.260 But the woman.

03:50:55.600 Oh, my God.

03:50:56.480 Your reasoning's a little arselor.

03:50:58.540 No, that's.

03:51:00.680 But.

03:51:01.360 Okay.

03:51:01.540 That could make sense.

03:51:02.760 I will say if you have children and if the man is the prime provider.

03:51:09.560 The main provider.

03:51:10.660 Then, yeah.

03:51:11.360 He should be the one to live.

03:51:12.760 Because he's going to be the one continuing to provide.

03:51:14.520 Okay.

03:51:14.740 But you say.

03:51:15.500 Okay.

03:51:15.740 Can I say with you saying that.

03:51:17.500 That if he's the main provider.

03:51:19.200 Then why.

03:51:20.460 Then there should be no argument of like pay gap or whatever.

03:51:23.760 Because then why does he have to die?

03:51:25.460 Because he makes more money.

03:51:26.340 Yeah, 100%.

03:51:27.260 What?

03:51:28.400 Brian, you're wrong.

03:51:30.240 I'm wrong.

03:51:31.040 Okay.

03:51:31.180 I'm wrong.

03:51:31.580 For me, that's kind of where my other argument was going into.

03:51:35.220 Like, why do you have to.

03:51:35.860 I'll tell you my viewpoint.

03:51:38.500 Christ died for the church and men are supposed to love their wives.

03:51:42.200 Great.

03:51:42.220 That's a religious argument.

03:51:43.180 What if you're an atheist?

03:51:44.580 Okay.

03:51:44.980 So this is what I have for you then.

03:51:47.760 Your argument is just dismissed immediately.

03:51:49.340 Love is about sacrifice.

03:51:50.300 If you sit there and you want a woman, you have to protect her.

03:51:53.280 Nobody wants a beta male.

03:51:54.940 And is love not a beta male?

03:51:56.100 It's not about sacrifice.

03:51:56.840 If a woman has to sit there and protect herself, why are you even there?

03:51:59.680 Why does she even want you?

03:52:01.000 I do agree with that to an extent.

03:52:02.940 So they can take him to dinner.

03:52:04.020 But I don't feel like it makes.

03:52:05.020 For me, at least in my opinion.

03:52:06.340 And you could totally change my opinion on this if you have a reasoning for it.

03:52:09.380 I'm not sitting here saying I'm right, you're wrong.

03:52:11.560 But for me, how I view it, like I said again, is if.

03:52:15.660 Mind you, I'm not with my child's father.

03:52:17.520 But if my child's father is going to be more equipped to provide for our child, why would

03:52:24.180 I say, oh, well, just because I'm a woman, I should be the one to live.

03:52:28.360 She can take him.

03:52:28.800 No, no.

03:52:29.340 If he could give him a better life and he could provide for him in a more.

03:52:33.820 For her situation.

03:52:34.700 In a better way where he can have more things that he needs and he can provide more for him,

03:52:39.040 then yeah, I would want his dad to be the one to live.

03:52:41.400 I think that having a bunch of beta men is why we are where we are in society.

03:52:44.160 Oh, no, no.

03:52:44.760 Don't get me wrong.

03:52:45.520 I totally agree.

03:52:46.680 I totally agree.

03:52:47.420 I'm just saying I think there are certain situations, especially when children are involved.

03:52:51.820 That's absolutely right.

03:52:52.760 I agree.

03:52:53.540 That's my main point on that is when children are involved, yes.

03:52:57.800 Any point.

03:52:58.720 It doesn't matter.

03:52:59.780 No, I mean.

03:53:00.980 At any point.

03:53:01.740 It does a little bit.

03:53:02.280 Before children, she's got to go.

03:53:05.360 After children, still she has to go.

03:53:07.580 What if both of them were equal providers?

03:53:11.400 It doesn't even.

03:53:12.320 No, I could be.

03:53:13.380 Hold on.

03:53:13.960 No, no, no.

03:53:14.420 I'm really messing with you.

03:53:15.740 Even if I'm a fucking lazy POS and I'm staying at home and my girl is a fucking G.

03:53:24.620 If my girl's a G and she's bringing home a mil a year, she still takes the bullet.

03:53:29.440 While you're sitting at home.

03:53:30.720 She still takes the bullet.

03:53:32.160 You're losing us now.

03:53:33.140 While you're sitting at home?

03:53:35.240 Yeah, while I'm sitting at home.

03:53:36.980 Yeah.

03:53:37.960 She still takes the freaking bullet.

03:53:40.140 I'm protecting you for...

03:53:42.020 All right.

03:53:43.080 He said thank that bitch.

03:53:44.320 All right, all right.

03:53:45.520 I've never heard you have that kind of opinion, but okay.

03:53:49.480 I have.

03:53:50.060 Okay.

03:53:53.240 Bro, I gotta...

03:53:55.060 I gotta...

03:53:56.000 Explore all...

03:53:57.320 I'll just find a new girl.

03:53:58.460 Simple solution.

03:53:59.240 Just shoot them first.

03:54:00.440 What the fuck?

03:54:02.020 I'll just find a new chick.

03:54:02.820 Why are you not carrying, Brian?

03:54:05.060 Huh?

03:54:05.260 Why are you not carrying?

03:54:06.440 Why do you not have the means to protect yourself?

03:54:07.920 No, it's not.

03:54:08.360 Why aren't you carrying?

03:54:09.960 Like, concealed carry.

03:54:11.160 Carry.

03:54:11.520 Okay, fine.

03:54:12.120 I gotta...

03:54:12.440 You mean in California?

03:54:14.960 Yeah, I know.

03:54:15.580 Yeah, it is.

03:54:16.140 What do you think he's gonna do?

03:54:18.620 I mean, what are you talking about?

03:54:20.460 Do you know what it takes to carry in California?

03:54:22.320 Why aren't you carrying?

03:54:23.780 Well, first things first, I don't have the right to carry in California, but everywhere else...

03:54:28.960 Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, but suddenly, but Brian's supposed to be carrying?

03:54:32.120 Well, yes, this is his state that he lives in.

03:54:34.720 I can carry...

03:54:35.320 Yeah, but it's not a shall-issue state.

03:54:37.360 Oh, you're not from California?

03:54:38.360 No, I'm not from California, but I can carry pretty much everywhere.

03:54:40.680 Yeah, it's not a shall-issue state.

03:54:41.560 You're in the communist capital of the United States, California.

03:54:45.740 They don't let you carry guns in California.

03:54:48.080 What are you rolling your eyes for?

03:54:49.360 I'm not kidding.

03:54:49.880 No, I believe you can get your CCW here.

03:54:52.720 You just have to take it.

03:54:54.000 I believe that you're full of shit and don't know what the hell you're talking about.

03:54:56.540 You can sooner make a million dollars in California than get a concealed carry permit.

03:55:02.800 It's next to impossible.

03:55:04.380 But you can still get it.

03:55:05.220 The show cause that you have to do in California is insane.

03:55:07.380 Yeah, if you're serious.

03:55:07.780 Then leave the state.

03:55:08.920 No, my neighbor has one.

03:55:10.000 Okay, but that's a totally separate conversation.

03:55:11.620 How does that help your argument?

03:55:13.820 Why aren't you carrying in a state you're not allowed to carry in, Brian?

03:55:16.720 Oh, well, then I guess you should leave the state.

03:55:18.780 Okay, with genius logic.

03:55:20.600 You should turn the pap forward.

03:55:22.240 Maybe turn it into a thinking cap.

03:55:24.900 Turn it around.

03:55:25.380 Come on, let's see it.

03:55:26.540 Let's see the front of it.

03:55:27.540 I know how to think?

03:55:28.800 You think I know how to think?

03:55:30.100 Also, I just want to add.

03:55:30.840 No, I think you don't know how to think.

03:55:32.660 I just want to add.

03:55:33.320 Not at all.

03:55:34.560 We do have, hang on, there's a propeller.

03:55:36.280 There's a little propeller hat that Brian can use.

03:55:38.260 Oh, yeah.

03:55:39.400 It does help people think sometimes.

03:55:40.980 I asked him if I could wear one of the special hats.

03:55:42.840 He said no.

03:55:44.460 That is true.

03:55:45.300 That is true.

03:55:45.920 One of the special hats.

03:55:47.340 Really?

03:55:47.640 That is true.

03:55:48.200 A special hat for a special person.

03:55:49.640 Really?

03:55:49.660 He said that?

03:55:51.400 He said he couldn't wear the special hat?

03:55:52.920 Yeah, he said he couldn't.

03:55:53.620 Could you believe that?

03:55:54.200 She wanted to wear one of the pickle hoppers.

03:55:56.140 I was going to talk about what we want to wear.

03:55:58.000 What about the propeller hat?

03:55:59.260 What the fuck?

03:56:01.060 Look, okay.

03:56:03.120 My body, my choice.

03:56:05.000 Hey.

03:56:05.220 If you can't take it?

03:56:07.700 If I don't want to take the bullet, I shouldn't have to.

03:56:12.740 I mean, yeah, that's valid, but vice versa.

03:56:15.660 My body, my choice.

03:56:16.340 That works both ways, sure.

03:56:19.500 Okay, I do have actually a topic that maybe we don't need to get into.

03:56:22.600 Are we just switching topics?

03:56:23.180 We don't need to get into.

03:56:24.120 I wanted to hear a little more from you on this.

03:56:26.540 You had a little pushback.

03:56:27.680 We won't linger long on it, though.

03:56:29.100 So what's your pushback, I guess?

03:56:31.360 On the carry?

03:56:33.120 Yeah, on the carrying or on the men?

03:56:34.160 No, on the bullet thing.

03:56:35.380 Oh.

03:56:35.940 Yeah, I believe that men should protect women, and that's why we are where we are,

03:56:39.320 is because men aren't being men.

03:56:40.640 They're being little bitch boys.

03:56:41.680 If you want a woman, you've got to treat her like a woman.

03:56:47.880 If you want a boss babe, then you treat her like a boss babe.

03:56:50.280 But you're not going to be a boss babe and be like a feminine,

03:56:53.420 submissive woman like what you're looking for.

03:56:56.820 You're going to throw your little submissive, feminine, bowing woman

03:57:00.040 in front of a bullet for you?

03:57:01.520 The only woman who's going to sit there and bow to you,

03:57:04.140 you're going to throw her in front of a bullet?

03:57:05.660 I'll find another one.

03:57:06.240 Hang on, hang on.

03:57:06.920 If she's submissive and she's going to bow, then, I mean.

03:57:11.120 Can I, like, how rare is that?

03:57:14.840 Do a fact check.

03:57:16.040 Pretty rare.

03:57:17.720 What's the fact check?

03:57:18.780 Isn't it like the testosterone levels in men have just decreased, like,

03:57:24.340 immensely?

03:57:24.860 That's because all the plastic material from makeup products is seeping.

03:57:28.100 So why hasn't anything happened to us?

03:57:29.340 No, no, no.

03:57:29.920 It's getting in our balls.

03:57:31.420 It's because all of the masculine men are taking bullets for all of these women.

03:57:35.340 And we're still as fertile as ever.

03:57:37.100 Do we eat in the same?

03:57:38.020 Listen, there's too much plastics.

03:57:39.820 It's turning the frog something.

03:57:41.580 I like this.

03:57:42.440 I like this.

03:57:43.040 It means I'm going somewhere.

03:57:44.900 There's too much plastic.

03:57:45.880 Did you guys hear about this?

03:57:47.500 There's plastic in every human's balls.

03:57:50.420 We're not talking about it.

03:57:51.340 We're not talking about it.

03:57:52.360 We're not talking about it.

03:57:53.160 Wait, we can't talk about the plastic in men's balls?

03:57:54.660 We can't talk about it.

03:57:55.480 We can't talk about it.

03:57:56.700 Wait, why can't you talk about plastic in men's balls?

03:57:59.000 Does this have to be like people eating?

03:58:00.940 It's medical information.

03:58:02.340 Wait, just hide it in OBS first.

03:58:05.340 Hello?

03:58:05.700 What's happening right now?

03:58:06.520 What is going on?

03:58:07.580 Wait, Andrew, we can't talk about the plastic?

03:58:10.140 Medical talk.

03:58:11.320 What?

03:58:12.120 Oh, that's an issue?

03:58:13.960 How is that?

03:58:14.780 It falls under the TOS for conspiracy theory.

03:58:18.900 Jeez.

03:58:19.640 Wait, really?

03:58:20.360 We're a conspiracy theory.

03:58:21.240 Wait, but was I right about the testosterone thing?

03:58:23.900 No, microplastics are like, that's legit.

03:58:28.400 I can't do pro.

03:58:29.640 I'm telling you.

03:58:30.720 Is it actually?

03:58:31.540 Hold on.

03:58:31.880 This is not the first time a medical thing has been frowned upon on YouTube.

03:58:36.900 Debunk mine first.

03:58:39.520 But there are microplastics in the environment.

03:58:42.740 Everything you eat is like plastic.

03:58:44.040 Does it matter what's true?

03:58:46.020 What about the testosterone thing?

03:58:48.800 Wait, but this has been reported.

03:58:49.900 Reality does not matter on YouTube.

03:58:51.180 No, but this was reported in like left-leaning organizations, NPR, The Guardian.

03:58:57.200 So it's not like some fringe.

03:58:59.260 It's been reported on.

03:59:00.320 Unless you tie it in to it's turning the frogs blank.

03:59:04.460 Yes.

03:59:05.200 Oh, that's a joke, though.

03:59:06.900 No, it doesn't.

03:59:08.780 Okay.

03:59:09.260 Well, I mean, joke at your own risk.

03:59:10.880 Can you answer my question?

03:59:12.240 Okay.

03:59:12.540 I don't know about the frogs.

03:59:15.060 I don't know about the fucking frogs.

03:59:16.120 Answer my testosterone.

03:59:16.920 I'm just curious.

03:59:18.140 There was an NPR article.

03:59:20.680 Wait, Andrew.

03:59:21.180 Just speaking about it individually.

03:59:23.340 I don't think that's fine.

03:59:25.100 Oh, come on.

03:59:25.840 Andrew, you just.

03:59:26.660 What?

03:59:26.820 You got some plastic in your balls?

03:59:27.960 That's why you don't want to talk about it?

03:59:28.880 Andrew, can you?

03:59:30.000 Can you?

03:59:30.240 It's Andrew's TOS.

03:59:31.560 That would do it.

03:59:32.440 Is this a sensor?

03:59:33.140 All right.

03:59:33.800 Andrew's filling some time away.

03:59:35.060 All right.

03:59:35.400 I'll just take your word for it.

03:59:36.720 Andrew, can you please let him answer this one first, though?

03:59:39.620 What's the question?

03:59:40.340 The testosterone levels, like, being lowered throughout the years.

03:59:42.880 Yeah, they're dropping, I guess.

03:59:44.120 Yeah, that's true.

03:59:45.000 Testosterone's been dropping since we've been recording it anyway.

03:59:49.140 But they estimate that there may be somewhere between four to eight times as much testosterone

03:59:53.980 just 100 years ago as men in their 20s have now.

03:59:58.220 I have a question for Andrew.

03:59:59.720 So it's, like, equally at all.

04:00:00.780 I feel like he might know it better.

04:00:02.940 Because it's a topic you bring up a lot, and I think you might actually be wrong on

04:00:06.940 it.

04:00:07.840 And I'm willing to be corrected.

04:00:10.620 Is when it comes to the whole, basically, if women have the right to not be involved

04:00:21.100 type thing, when you bring that up.

04:00:23.160 This is an argument I make, but go ahead.

04:00:24.920 Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

04:00:25.740 It's an argument you make.

04:00:26.540 And I'm saying I think you might be wrong on it.

04:00:28.820 I don't know for sure, but I think you might be wrong on something that you bring up a

04:00:32.080 lot.

04:00:32.800 Because you say, basically, that, okay, well, women have the right to do what they want,

04:00:37.160 and men don't have the right to make the decision to not be involved.

04:00:41.680 Correct me if I'm wrong, because I feel like Andrew might know this.

04:00:46.000 And it might be a state-to-state thing.

04:00:47.860 I don't know.

04:00:48.360 This is a genuine question.

04:00:49.520 This isn't me.

04:00:49.900 Okay, so let's back up real quick.

04:00:52.420 Let's let her finish.

04:00:53.320 Well, basically, what I'm saying is, like I said, it could be a state-to-state basis.

04:01:01.280 Possible for a man, let's say, like, I get pregnant, and it's by Brian.

04:01:06.880 Brian doesn't want to be involved.

04:01:08.500 He has the legal right to say, you know what?

04:01:10.220 I want to sign my rights away.

04:01:11.860 Are you ovulating?

04:01:15.580 Are you ovulating?

04:01:17.260 I did just get off my period.

04:01:17.960 Okay, sorry.

04:01:20.680 Wait, so, okay.

04:01:23.100 Sorry, sorry.

04:01:23.780 Just restate your position.

04:01:24.460 Okay, because you had said, basically, in the past, that women have the right to do what

04:01:27.840 they want, to keep it simple, and men don't.

04:01:31.460 Yep.

04:01:31.660 And, but I'm saying, it could be a state, like, based on what state you live in, but

04:01:37.360 I'm pretty sure that you do, men do have the right to sign away their rights, in my

04:01:43.280 Okay, so you're wrong, so, to put it bluntly.

04:01:47.120 No, no, no, I'm fine with being wrong.

04:01:48.380 I'm just, I'm asking, I'm asking.

04:01:49.520 In absolutely no state in the U.S., I'm not even aware of any country anywhere where

04:01:56.400 this is actually possible, although I'm not privy to the child support laws in,

04:02:01.660 you know, the various countries, but I'm not aware of anything that would be, like,

04:02:05.780 affirmative as far as it comes to men's ability to relinquish, or relinquish responsibility.

04:02:13.060 So, at least within the United States, there's no state where a man can say, well, I knocked

04:02:18.400 up a girl, she's going to keep the child, she's desirous of having child support, I can

04:02:23.340 evade my responsibility to pay child support.

04:02:25.620 Well, if she agrees, if she agrees.

04:02:28.280 Actually, not.

04:02:28.920 Yeah, but that's a different, but wait, that's a different argument.

04:02:31.660 No, no, no, I'm just saying, I'm not even arguing the point, I'm just asking.

04:02:36.220 Yeah, I know, but what I'm saying is that when you're giving the position, you're giving

04:02:40.460 the incorrect position that Brian holds.

04:02:43.280 So, Brian's position is, if women are allowed to have abortions and can terminate their parental

04:02:48.900 rights whenever, then men should be able to give up their parental rights if women are

04:02:54.160 allowed to do this.

04:02:55.000 Without their consent, basically.

04:02:56.340 Yeah, that's the argument.

04:02:57.900 So, without consent.

04:02:59.400 Yes, yes, yes.

04:02:59.900 Because women can have abortions without consent of the man, right?

04:03:03.400 Right.

04:03:03.780 So, even if it were true that if a woman consented, a man would be discharged from parental responsibility.

04:03:11.020 Touch the court, okay.

04:03:13.020 That's what people are saying.

04:03:13.960 It ultimately wouldn't matter.

04:03:16.160 No, yeah, because I was going to say there's, it could be my knee.

04:03:19.420 Is it my knee?

04:03:19.940 Is it, like, not fair that, like, what if, like, the man does not want to have the child

04:03:26.340 and the woman still has it?

04:03:28.860 Is that, like, the only reason I even, that kind of came into my mind recently was because

04:03:34.260 there is a girl I know personally, and I'm not going to get too much into it because I

04:03:37.260 don't want to air out her dirty laundry, but where the father didn't want to be involved

04:03:44.160 and he was, like, umpteen thousand dollars basically in debt due to child support, and

04:03:49.980 he ended up signing away his rights, and she agreed to it, and now he has basically no rights

04:03:56.320 to that child at all.

04:03:57.460 He doesn't have to pay anything.

04:03:58.460 He doesn't owe her any money.

04:03:58.880 Yeah, there can be custody arrangements which are agreed to by both parties where the father

04:04:03.460 is discharged from this type of responsibility, but the court can also rule against that at

04:04:08.140 any time.

04:04:09.280 Okay.

04:04:09.420 Yeah, so what I was going to say, so they can come, I would suspect this was, maybe it

04:04:15.080 was court approved, but this sort of arrangement could have just been determined between the

04:04:19.600 two parents.

04:04:20.140 Yes, yes, yes.

04:04:21.060 But she could then go to the court and say, I need child support, and just reel him right

04:04:29.160 back in.

04:04:29.920 So, in the United States.

04:04:30.940 Reopen the case?

04:04:31.820 And I will say, I will say, at that point they can take away your driver's license, they

04:04:36.520 can start taking away your paycheck, and so, no, I do get that portion of it.

04:04:41.660 I just wasn't sure, necessarily, if your stance was, men don't have any option at all.

04:04:47.940 They don't.

04:04:48.240 No, he's speaking, the argument that he's speaking to is this.

04:04:53.060 He's looking for if women actually care about fairness or don't.

04:04:57.860 Okay.

04:04:58.160 And so, the question is just this, if a woman without the consent of the father can abort

04:05:04.940 the child, this gives her incredible leverage over a pregnancy that a man does not have,

04:05:10.620 where she can discharge her parental rights at any time, regardless of what he wants.

04:05:15.300 Yes.

04:05:15.700 But a man can't do the same thing.

04:05:17.300 We need to lower his audio net.

04:05:18.100 So, if you were to allow every single woman in the United States to have abortions on

04:05:24.120 demand, Brian's position is that it seems fair to him that then men should be able to

04:05:29.780 then discharge any parental rights they want on demand as well.

04:05:33.860 Okay.

04:05:34.340 Okay.

04:05:34.640 Right.

04:05:34.820 But, I mean, to actually answer your question, in no state can a man...

04:05:40.820 Do that on his own.

04:05:42.020 You can, with the woman's grace...

04:05:44.740 Yeah.

04:05:45.060 You know, if you come to some out-of-court arrangement, but at any given moment, she could

04:05:52.800 say, go to the court...

04:05:54.080 Go back on it, basically.

04:05:54.840 ...and say, I need child support, or, or, even if she doesn't want child support, but

04:06:01.060 she applies for some sort of government assistance...

04:06:04.780 They're going to check out his...

04:06:05.560 They're going to go after him, despite even the woman's wishes...

04:06:09.500 Oh, no, I know that.

04:06:10.060 ...and go after him, if she needs to go on government support, food stamps, eat whatever

04:06:13.940 it is, EBT...

04:06:14.720 Trust me, I looked into that at one point, and then...

04:06:16.020 Right, well, you collect child support from your...

04:06:17.760 Well, yeah, I do.

04:06:18.600 Yeah, I do.

04:06:19.200 Right.

04:06:19.300 That's the thing, is when I initially went to...

04:06:21.440 Because I initially looked through the government, yeah, but then they wanted all of his information,

04:06:25.460 and that's where I got kind of uncomfortable with it, because I was like, I know they're

04:06:27.820 going to take a fuck ton of his money, because he makes good money.

04:06:31.700 Right.

04:06:32.300 So...

04:06:32.560 So that's when me and him came to a mutual agreement.

04:06:34.960 Yes, so you can have any kind of arrangement, really, so long as the...

04:06:40.940 In terms of the child support, so long as the state isn't involved, but so I'm just trying

04:06:46.960 to understand kind of what your original question was.

04:06:48.020 No, no, no, no, no, no.

04:06:48.840 I was saying, I was asking, because I personally did not know, because, mind you, I only know

04:06:53.500 my scenario.

04:06:55.820 No.

04:06:56.000 So I didn't know if it was, like I said, a state-to-state thing, where it was like certain

04:07:00.280 states you could, certain states you couldn't.

04:07:02.640 That was my question.

04:07:03.880 That was it.

04:07:04.300 There's absolutely no state where a man could just willy-nilly say, I'm just going to choose

04:07:10.380 not to pay.

04:07:11.260 Like, if the woman's desirous of it, or the state wants to get involved, they're going

04:07:15.160 to be able to go after it.

04:07:16.160 The man has absolutely no say.

04:07:17.880 Okay.

04:07:18.600 18 years, he's going to be compelled to, in one way or another, make child support payments.

04:07:24.320 And then I think the other thing, in addition to that, not only is there not currently any

04:07:29.140 laws, there, in all likelihood, will never be such laws that would allow men to relinquish

04:07:38.860 any sort of responsibility.

04:07:41.000 Okay.

04:07:41.640 In the same way that-

04:07:42.560 My only thing was, it wasn't me, like, trying to debate you even necessarily.

04:07:45.580 No, no, no.

04:07:45.880 It was more of like a question thing, because I was like, based off that one scenario I did

04:07:50.000 know about with somebody I knew, I was like, okay, well, is he wrong then?

04:07:53.040 Can you do it based on where you live?

04:07:54.880 No.

04:07:54.980 Like, or is it just like an agreement thing?

04:07:57.720 No, there's no state.

04:07:58.980 Okay.

04:07:59.160 There's no state where it's, there's any sort of law or anything that would allow a man,

04:08:03.940 the typical terminology is legal paternal surrender.

04:08:06.800 So essentially the man would say, I'm relinquishing all responsibility.

04:08:10.860 Yeah.

04:08:11.420 And all rights to the child.

04:08:12.600 But he could still have it come back to Biden, basically, you're saying.

04:08:15.860 No, I'm saying that's not even the thing.

04:08:17.580 It doesn't exist.

04:08:18.000 It doesn't exist.

04:08:18.640 Oh, okay, okay.

04:08:20.960 Moving on, moving on.

04:08:22.340 I got more notes I need to get through.

04:08:23.780 We have Mars here, right?

04:08:25.540 Or what do you, what's your actual name?

04:08:27.680 Mars is fine.

04:08:28.440 Oh, Mars.

04:08:28.860 Okay.

04:08:29.180 You said you dated an alcoholic racist and you're.

04:08:32.460 That was our last.

04:08:33.260 Huh?

04:08:33.660 Oh, I'm fine with, we can bring it back up.

04:08:37.020 And you're, you said you're Puerto Rican?

04:08:39.140 Yeah.

04:08:39.940 So that was interesting?

04:08:41.120 Yeah.

04:08:41.800 The alcoholic part or the racist part?

04:08:43.780 Both of them.

04:08:44.680 Both of them.

04:08:44.960 Okay.

04:08:45.460 Yeah.

04:08:45.700 Um, you also said, uh, you wanted to talk.

04:08:49.740 Why do men not know how to act properly?

04:08:52.420 Oh, I think I sent you a really, really long message.

04:08:57.180 Well, you said they lack in basic manners.

04:09:00.120 Maybe I'm just too old school.

04:09:01.200 They harass you for a date when they.

04:09:03.340 These are old notes.

04:09:04.580 Get one.

04:09:05.100 They don't talk or they're rude to you.

04:09:06.640 Yeah.

04:09:06.800 They just get drunk.

04:09:07.520 And I'm sure it's semi-specific.

04:09:08.980 Yeah.

04:09:09.220 No, the men in my area are terrible.

04:09:10.340 I just had an issue with my big labia matter thing.

04:09:13.320 That was a joke.

04:09:14.580 Rude.

04:09:15.300 You're welcome.

04:09:16.120 Uh, modern dating is terrible.

04:09:17.900 People assume dating and sex is synonymous and it's abysmal.

04:09:20.960 Yes.

04:09:21.820 Uh, you, oh, okay.

04:09:22.780 Here's a new one.

04:09:23.580 You said that I'm, actually, before we get into that, going around the table, if you were

04:09:29.480 alone in a forest.

04:09:31.400 Oh, no.

04:09:32.640 Man.

04:09:33.080 Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear?

04:09:37.520 A random man or a random bear?

04:09:39.200 Yes.

04:09:40.160 This is a very good question.

04:09:42.740 Great question.

04:09:43.920 I love that you've lovied this right now.

04:09:46.800 Give me one second, because I do want to consider my options.

04:09:50.520 Thank you.

04:09:51.460 Thank you.

04:09:52.520 She wants to know what kind of bear.

04:09:55.160 I have a question.

04:09:55.780 Is it like a black bear?

04:09:57.140 Because, like, if it's brown.

04:09:58.200 You don't know.

04:09:59.020 If it's brown, you lay down.

04:10:00.340 It could be a polar bear.

04:10:01.300 If it's black, you fight back.

04:10:01.960 Wait, you're getting up for this?

04:10:02.880 That's, all right.

04:10:04.100 I have my answer now.

04:10:05.260 So, the question is, would you rather come across a random man or a random bear?

04:10:12.040 Could be a polar bear.

04:10:12.780 Could be a brown bear.

04:10:13.540 Don't know what you're getting.

04:10:14.760 Guys, quiet back there, please.

04:10:16.680 Okay.

04:10:17.180 This is really tricky, because it does depend on the bear.

04:10:19.000 But you said random bear.

04:10:20.280 So, I'm assuming it could.

04:10:21.260 It's any bear.

04:10:21.820 Wouldn't it depend on the man, too?

04:10:23.780 You're right about that, too.

04:10:24.420 So, I'm saying random man or random bear.

04:10:26.300 Oh, dude.

04:10:27.080 Take my chance.

04:10:27.600 It could be Bill Nye.

04:10:28.820 It could be Ted Bundy.

04:10:30.540 Let's let her answer.

04:10:34.220 I think random man, because then I would at least be able to communicate with him verbally.

04:10:39.440 Bears don't speak English.

04:10:41.800 That is true.

04:10:42.400 That is true.

04:10:43.120 So, I think that I would choose the random man, because then at least I could communicate.

04:10:47.400 Do they speak something besides English?

04:10:50.380 They do, but I'm not actually fluent in bear.

04:10:53.220 Contrary to popular belief, I'm not.

04:10:54.880 Do bears speak in bear?

04:10:56.480 I think they growl.

04:10:58.040 They're like, growl.

04:10:59.000 They express either extreme anger or satisfaction.

04:11:03.540 I have not studied bear speak, so I'll choose the random man.

04:11:08.280 Okay.

04:11:09.100 I don't think anybody studied bear speak.

04:11:11.660 Indeed.

04:11:11.980 You never know.

04:11:12.660 Just be honest with you.

04:11:14.100 Morgan?

04:11:14.460 I believe I answered this last time, but I would choose a man, yeah.

04:11:17.560 A bear.

04:11:18.300 Bear.

04:11:19.100 Man.

04:11:20.940 Always man.

04:11:22.580 Burr.

04:11:23.420 You'd pick the bear.

04:11:24.240 Bear, and I do want to wait until she's back to get into it.

04:11:30.400 So, bear, bear, and she's gone.

04:11:35.820 She's gone.

04:11:36.440 I'll wait.

04:11:36.900 I'm going to just pause the convo temporarily.

04:11:40.020 Morgan, can I have you read a couple chats here?

04:11:41.800 Yeah.

04:11:42.700 You just close the deal with your next date.

04:11:44.820 You're going to her place.

04:11:46.080 She turns the lights on, and you see her bookcase on the wall.

04:11:48.700 What books do you see that make you turn and leave immediately?

04:11:52.800 Scum Manifesto by Valerie Solano or some shit.

04:11:57.340 White Fragility.

04:11:59.080 Ooh, that's a good one.

04:12:02.960 What's that?

04:12:04.820 Mein Kampf.

04:12:06.280 Yeah, definitely that one.

04:12:10.040 What's the book by Karl Marx?

04:12:13.120 Anything Gary Bishop as a plus.

04:12:15.140 The Communist Manifesto.

04:12:15.940 The Communist Manifesto.

04:12:20.020 Who here believes in capitalism?

04:12:23.280 Kylie, are you a capitalist?

04:12:25.260 I feel like in America, I don't really have a choice.

04:12:28.340 You don't have a choice?

04:12:29.240 We live in a capitalist society.

04:12:30.840 What can I say?

04:12:31.500 What would you prefer to be a different economic model?

04:12:36.120 I think that in theory, capitalism should work.

04:12:38.800 I think that in order for it to work, though, you need more social provisions.

04:12:43.120 I just don't think we have that right now, obviously.

04:12:46.120 I feel like that's pretty self-explanatory.

04:12:47.740 But in an ideal world, then yes.

04:12:51.600 In an ideal world?

04:12:53.020 Yes.

04:12:53.640 You would want what?

04:12:55.240 Communism?

04:12:56.080 No, no, no.

04:12:56.860 You misread me completely there.

04:12:58.380 Capitalism?

04:12:58.940 I think that capitalism with the adequate social provisions should be enough to function.

04:13:04.740 I think right now in the U.S. it's not, unfortunately.

04:13:08.520 Yeah, well, I think that's a mischaracterization of what we have in the U.S.

04:13:12.400 I think it's because we've tried to institute certain social incentives that our capitalism is all messed up.

04:13:19.960 You've got to go to the back if you're going to eat.

04:13:21.520 Okay.

04:13:21.960 We can't have it at the table.

04:13:25.920 Go ahead.

04:13:26.640 Sorry.

04:13:27.240 People are complaining in the chat.

04:13:28.720 I think it's because we have all of these social incentives like the government trying to pay for school, the government trying to pay for medical, the government trying to pay for all this other stuff.

04:13:37.400 Jack's price is up.

04:13:39.240 So we don't really have a capitalist society.

04:13:41.880 We don't really have a free market society because big businesses that suck at their job are just bailed out by the government because they're too big to fail.

04:13:53.520 Whereas if it was actually capitalist, if it was actually free market, they would just be allowed to fail, and then good companies would be able to rise to the top.

04:14:01.680 But we have lobbying groups.

04:14:03.680 We have all of this inappropriate power that's being levied upon our free market system that makes it not so capitalist.

04:14:12.700 No, I agree with your point that we don't.

04:14:14.780 I feel like when I say we live in a capitalist society, I'm referring to the fact that the U.S., the dominant ideology in the U.S. is capitalism.

04:14:22.960 That's more so what I'm referring to.

04:14:24.760 I think you could probably agree on that.

04:14:27.500 But, yeah, I agree.

04:14:28.420 There's never been a truly capitalist society.

04:14:30.500 There hasn't.

04:14:31.120 I could agree that most of the people want a capitalist society because that's, throughout history, that's proven to be the best way to lift a country from nothing to something.

04:14:42.280 Yeah, I think when you talk about social provisions, too, I agree with your point that the government shouldn't be helping, like, failing, but stuff like that.

04:14:50.560 I think that there are a lot more, like, basic, urgent needs that need to be addressed before that.

04:14:55.460 I do have to move things on.

04:14:57.160 Morgan, can I have you read this?

04:14:57.800 Really?

04:14:58.120 You do?

04:14:58.600 I want to get into this.

04:15:00.540 But, okay.

04:15:01.520 Here, let me have her read you.

04:15:02.860 Let me have her read this, and then you guys can get into it for a bit.

04:15:06.100 What is this?

04:15:06.800 If they will, I will.

04:15:08.700 Bullet logic.

04:15:10.100 One person takes the bullet to Dave the other.

04:15:12.980 You going to let your man take the shot, then jump on his dead body and get yourself murked, too?

04:15:18.840 Idiots.

04:15:20.360 All right.

04:15:21.020 Thank you, Nickelodeon.

04:15:22.000 If you guys want, you can have a brief exchange.

04:15:24.880 Well, yeah.

04:15:25.340 I was just curious if we could go through some of this.

04:15:28.140 So, what basic needs are you talking about?

04:15:30.260 I'm talking about, like, addressing homelessness in the U.S.

04:15:33.200 I would say, like, bipartisan climate solutions.

04:15:36.260 I would say those are just the two off the top of my head right now.

04:15:39.560 Climate change is going to help who?

04:15:42.160 Well, I'm talking about future generations.

04:15:44.580 Hang on.

04:15:44.680 Let's back up.

04:15:45.320 Hang on.

04:15:45.640 Hang on.

04:15:46.620 Let me finish answering the question or asking the question.

04:15:49.900 So, when you're talking about climate change, who is this going to help?

04:15:54.620 The climate change provisions, who is it going to help specifically?

04:15:58.360 Well, scientific data and peer-reviewed studies have already proven that we are seeing the

04:16:04.920 effects of climate change.

04:16:06.020 So, it would help us currently, but increasingly so future generations.

04:16:10.460 I'm talking about almost like a preservation matter at this point.

04:16:14.580 So, who would it help right now?

04:16:16.720 Right now, it would help us.

04:16:19.000 Do you see the amount of natural disasters that are occurring at rates that we've never

04:16:22.280 seen before?

04:16:23.360 The amount of people dying from heat waves?

04:16:25.660 No.

04:16:26.020 It's on the rise.

04:16:27.220 Less people dying from heat waves than have ever died in heat waves in history, that's

04:16:31.440 for sure, because we have these cool things called air conditioners.

04:16:34.380 But, besides that, there's this other awesome fact, which is that, no, the climate change

04:16:39.980 crisis is a complete made-up fiasco.

04:16:43.400 It's nonsensical.

04:16:45.000 And the data models are so overtly complex that it's essentially impossible for you to draw

04:16:51.380 adequate conclusions from them.

04:16:53.020 As it turns out, climate's really complicated.

04:16:56.780 Isn't that amazing?

04:16:57.840 Super complicated.

04:16:58.740 But I'm going to let that go for a second.

04:17:00.740 Right?

04:17:01.000 I just want to know, if you were the queen of the United States and you could have your

04:17:07.140 perfect climate policy instituted, whatever that is, who would it help right now?

04:17:15.560 Who would it help right now?

04:17:18.740 Okay.

04:17:19.260 Well, first of all, I don't think I would ever want to be queen of the United States.

04:17:22.420 Let me start off with that.

04:17:22.820 I'm just prefacing.

04:17:25.680 I would say that if I were to implement bipartisan climate solutions right now, it would mostly

04:17:30.540 focus on shifting the labor markets over to sustainable energy.

04:17:34.140 So, I would say right now, who it would help is, in my perfect world, as the queen of the

04:17:39.580 United States, it would help people who are currently working in the gas industry and fossil

04:17:45.500 fuels.

04:17:46.740 I would say that-

04:17:47.360 You mean those people who all have jobs?

04:17:48.880 Yes, but in my bipartisan-

04:17:50.680 How would it help them?

04:17:53.820 I would like to continue my thought without any interruptions.

04:17:57.420 Cool.

04:17:57.900 Yeah, I'm sure that you would, but I don't want you to prattle.

04:18:00.600 I want to go point by point.

04:18:02.420 How would it actually help people in the gas industry who are working for the gas industry?

04:18:08.860 I'm saying that in my bipartisan climate solution that I would implement, theoretically, that it

04:18:15.880 would shift our industry from being fossil fuel dominant over to sustainable energy, and

04:18:21.260 it would first and foremost focus on protecting the jobs of those who are in those industries

04:18:27.800 right now.

04:18:28.420 That's all I'm saying.

04:18:29.260 Those people who are in those industries right now already have jobs.

04:18:32.100 How would this help them?

04:18:33.220 You asked me to answer a question on a hypothetical situation.

04:18:36.420 And what, okay, and then what was the question I actually, okay, hang on, hang on.

04:18:40.700 What was the actual question I asked you?

04:18:43.100 Just repeat it back to me if you don't mind.

04:18:44.800 If you were the queen of the U.S., who would, who would your policies, yeah, we've gone a

04:18:52.220 little off topic, Brian.

04:18:54.760 If I were the queen of the U.S. right now, who would my climate policies help right now?

04:19:01.680 Right.

04:19:03.960 So who would they help right now?

04:19:06.460 How would it help people who have jobs to have jobs?

04:19:10.480 I think that the U.S. systemically is so dependent on fossil fuels that I don't think that you

04:19:16.180 can, from my point of view, and you don't have to agree with this.

04:19:20.320 I'm not trying to force you to agree with me.

04:19:23.220 I think that because our economy is so dependent on fossil fuels that implementing, like, a sustainable

04:19:30.040 policy like this, it wouldn't benefit anyone right now.

04:19:34.640 I think I agree with your point on that.

04:19:36.580 I'm talking about long-term solutions.

04:19:39.060 That's more so my perspective here.

04:19:41.500 Yeah, so it wouldn't help a single person right now.

04:19:44.260 So if you were the queen of the United States, you would implement policies which wouldn't

04:19:48.020 help a single fucking person right now.

04:19:49.880 I think also you're ignoring that sometimes in politics, it's not just about policies helping

04:19:55.400 people short-term, that you're trying to create long-term systemic impact.

04:20:00.800 Great.

04:20:01.220 Okay, well, let's get into that.

04:20:02.380 So you brought up the homeless crisis in the United States.

04:20:05.340 I'm not sure it's a crisis, but the homeless problem.

04:20:07.920 You're the queen of the United States.

04:20:09.960 Same thing.

04:20:11.260 How would you solve the problem of the homeless in the United States, even with a long-term

04:20:16.060 solution?

04:20:17.000 Are you asking me, a 21-year-old college student, to solve U.S. homelessness right now?

04:20:22.400 Yes.

04:20:22.520 Can you vote?

04:20:24.320 Yes, but I-

04:20:25.320 You're damn right I'm asking you the question.

04:20:27.360 You got it, Kylie.

04:20:28.180 I am a political science major.

04:20:29.920 You can figure this out.

04:20:30.680 I-

04:20:31.220 I believe in you.

04:20:32.160 I love my political science major.

04:20:33.120 Kylie for president.

04:20:34.060 I'm sorry.

04:20:34.440 I'm sorry.

04:20:34.660 Hang on.

04:20:35.140 Kylie, Kylie.

04:20:36.120 Are you allowed to vote?

04:20:37.820 Yes, I am allowed to vote.

04:20:38.920 Then yeah, I'm asking you the question.

04:20:40.540 That's right.

04:20:43.920 I want to decline this question, and it's because I do not- I'm going to be honest.

04:20:48.260 I truly don't think I'm equipped to solve U.S. homelessness.

04:20:51.560 Crazy, crazy-

04:20:52.420 Are you going to be voting this year?

04:20:55.140 I will be voting, but I do have no interest in public office ever.

04:21:00.880 You're going to be voting for Biden, right?

04:21:03.660 Decline the question.

04:21:05.220 Yeah, you're going to be voting for Biden, though?

04:21:06.660 You know what?

04:21:07.100 Well, actually, Andrew, I did speak to her before the show.

04:21:09.640 She said she's voting for Kanye.

04:21:11.400 I almost-

04:21:12.100 Oh, Brian, you weren't supposed to tell anyone that.

04:21:14.960 She's voting for Kanye, Andrew.

04:21:16.460 I'm sorry to ruin it.

04:21:17.700 Andrew, respectfully decline, but I do appreciate you asking me about politics.

04:21:22.000 Okay, well, let me ask you a different question.

04:21:23.500 If you could have voted in the last election, who would you have voted for?

04:21:30.940 This is a very tricky question for me to answer, just because currently I do not agree with a lot of Biden's policies.

04:21:38.260 Sure, but if you could have in the last election, who would you have voted for?

04:21:41.300 I will say that given my knowledge at the time, during the 2020 election, I would have voted for Biden.

04:21:51.220 Right.

04:21:51.740 Do I feel more apprehension voting for Biden now after seeing his first presidential term?

04:21:57.120 Of course I do.

04:21:57.860 I think a lot of people do.

04:21:58.880 But he'll still vote for him.

04:21:59.080 His approval rates are down.

04:22:00.760 Trump's currently ahead in the polls.

04:22:02.420 He'll still vote for him.

04:22:03.180 I think, of course, but like, I think given-

04:22:05.160 Did you watch the debate?

04:22:07.160 All right, let's not dogpile.

04:22:08.480 Let's not dogpile, but okay.

04:22:09.960 Well, there's no, there's no dogpile.

04:22:11.680 I just, I just wanted a quick answer to this.

04:22:13.980 I had a feeling that it would have been Biden if you could have voted last time.

04:22:18.060 Yes.

04:22:18.520 I didn't understand why, um, the reason that I ask these questions, right?

04:22:23.500 And you say, if you use the cop-out, well, I'm just 21 years old.

04:22:26.380 It's like, okay, but you can cancel my vote.

04:22:29.220 You can, you can cancel my vote.

04:22:31.740 What state do you vote in?

04:22:32.280 And that is, it's sickening to me that a person who, who we, if we move into a political discussion,

04:22:39.300 right?

04:22:40.100 And it's not even anything against you.

04:22:41.560 I just don't think that 21 year olds are smart enough to fucking vote that you can ask

04:22:45.440 them a question and they, they're like, I don't know.

04:22:47.620 I'm only 21.

04:22:48.500 It's like, well, then why are you fucking voting?

04:22:51.020 Can I ask you a quick question?

04:22:52.860 Uh-uh.

04:22:53.220 Sure.

04:22:53.460 What would you do to solve U.S. homelessness?

04:22:56.460 What would you do?

04:22:57.380 I would reopen mental institutions, public mental institutions and put most of them in there

04:23:01.940 because that's what most of them are is mentally ill and they're homeless by choice.

04:23:06.700 Most homeless people are homeless by choice or due to severe mental illness.

04:23:10.940 Would you also implement policies to ensure the continuity of care once these people were

04:23:15.480 out of the mental institutions?

04:23:16.700 We already had such policies and fucking Democrats destroyed it all.

04:23:20.700 The passive aggressive pussy ass Democrats with their bleeding hearts decided that they

04:23:25.220 were going to tear down the public mental institutions.

04:23:28.140 The reason that they did it is because they sent a reporter went into one and found signs

04:23:33.960 of abuse in one institution.

04:23:36.340 And so they tore the entire thing down.

04:23:39.240 That's why you have homeless people shitting on the sidewalks in San Francisco and why you have

04:23:44.180 them shitting on the sidewalks in Miami, why you have needles all over the place is because

04:23:48.820 these are literally mentally ill people and you can't do anything with them.

04:23:53.660 Nothing.

04:23:54.540 I actually do agree with your point that we do need more federally funded mental health

04:23:58.960 care for people who can't afford it otherwise.

04:24:00.980 I will say that is a very valid point.

04:24:02.700 I agree with that.

04:24:03.840 That's how you solve the problem.

04:24:05.320 Yes.

04:24:05.960 And you know what else you do?

04:24:07.240 You take the VA and every single veteran, you make them tax exempt for life.

04:24:12.360 You make them tax exempt for life, period.

04:24:15.660 And you give them the finest care possible.

04:24:18.100 And the way that you do that is you divert all of these pro-drug policies and the enforcement

04:24:23.460 arm of the pro-drug policies and you hand it over to the veterans.

04:24:26.600 That's what you do.

04:24:28.200 That's how you solve that problem.

04:24:30.100 And you make sure that they get the mental health care that they need.

04:24:32.980 And the ones who are not veterans who are sitting in the streets and taking a shit, you lock

04:24:36.700 them in mental institutions where they belong.

04:24:39.120 Well, I will say I agree with your point that we do need better care for veterans.

04:24:46.420 I think that there's needed to be, I think the U.S. health care system is just, it's royally.

04:24:52.420 I do have to move things on a little bit, but that was a great back and forth between you

04:24:58.920 two.

04:25:00.120 I don't know how the environment, we were, we had homeless, we had environmental issues,

04:25:04.420 we had oil and gas.

04:25:06.560 It was good.

04:25:07.140 Getting all the topics in.

04:25:08.100 It was good.

04:25:08.860 Really quick on that.

04:25:09.580 You're an environmentalist.

04:25:11.940 I would say that if I have to put a label on it, I feel like the only way that we're going

04:25:17.600 to reach systemic change is by collective action.

04:25:21.280 So I'm not an environmentalist per se.

04:25:23.260 I'm someone who advocates for bipartisan climate solutions.

04:25:26.220 And when you say collective action, do you mean like on an individual level, like we shouldn't

04:25:30.400 be using plastic straw, like plastic?

04:25:33.380 What I mean by that is a broader concept.

04:25:36.000 So I'm talking about the diffusion of innovation theory.

04:25:38.800 So essentially it states that you have early adopters, right?

04:25:42.020 It's a small percentage of people.

04:25:43.620 And in order to create a new social convention, which is when the majority of society adopts

04:25:49.000 a new idea and it becomes just like taught practice, it's passed along through generations

04:25:53.260 and it becomes a part of our societal institutions, you need at least 50% of the population to embrace

04:25:59.080 this new convention.

04:26:00.280 So what would be, I mean, are you looking on the individual level that people need to make

04:26:04.760 changes?

04:26:05.800 I think that people individually should be making changes.

04:26:08.840 I don't think it's the responsibility of the individuals.

04:26:11.020 I will say caveat to that.

04:26:12.700 I think that it will be taking the work of individuals and also larger corporations.

04:26:17.400 Okay.

04:26:17.520 So what is like an action on the individual level that we should be doing to lessen the

04:26:23.440 impact on the environment and climate?

04:26:26.000 Like single use plastics?

04:26:27.480 I actually really appreciate you asking this question.

04:26:29.940 This is, I think this is something that I personally do and it's such an easy fix.

04:26:34.200 All I do is I wash my clothes on cold water.

04:26:37.580 It's such an easy quick that you can make and it's environmentally friendly.

04:26:40.380 It takes so much unnecessary energy in order to heat the water to go to your laundry room.

04:26:45.860 I want everyone at this single table, start washing your clothes with cold water.

04:26:50.360 It's just as effective.

04:26:51.520 Studies have shown that it's just as effective.

04:26:52.940 And it cleans it better.

04:26:53.960 Yeah.

04:26:54.200 And it cleans it better.

04:26:55.140 And it also, it gets the stains out faster.

04:26:58.580 And it also will, your colors won't fade.

04:27:00.780 Your clothes will stay nice.

04:27:01.900 You won't have to buy clothes as often because they're not fading.

04:27:04.420 They're not deteriorating as quickly.

04:27:05.700 And it's such an easy, quick fix.

04:27:07.640 So what about like plastic usage?

04:27:09.420 Plastic usage, I will say, okay, it's very, very hard to undercut plastic usage just because

04:27:15.060 literally everything comes in a plastic container, right?

04:27:17.680 So I'd say it's just like tiny steps.

04:27:19.700 When I go to the grocery store, I try to bring like reusable produce bags and I try to bring

04:27:25.080 my own bags.

04:27:26.140 Sometimes I forget I'm human.

04:27:28.340 I'm not going to beat myself up over that.

04:27:30.180 And I don't think any of us should be like holding ourselves to these impossible standards.

04:27:35.300 But I think there are like little things that you can take that do make a difference.

04:27:39.680 Do you see, do you see this?

04:27:40.920 Put it back on other angle then, really quick.

04:27:43.780 Back to the other angle.

04:27:46.000 Yeah.

04:27:46.280 You guys see this bottle?

04:27:47.780 So I have a dating story.

04:27:49.100 Oh no.

04:27:49.540 Let's hear it.

04:27:50.140 Let's hear it.

04:27:50.520 Face off a water bottle?

04:27:51.360 This was three, four years ago.

04:27:54.120 I don't remember exactly.

04:27:55.160 Three, four years ago, I was on a date with a girl.

04:27:57.920 I brought this, not this exact bottle, but it used to actually be, it used to be called

04:28:04.100 Poland Spring, but they rebranded.

04:28:06.460 In any case, I brought a water bottle just like this onto a first date with a girl and

04:28:11.600 the date was actually going well.

04:28:13.000 We were bantering.

04:28:13.900 I don't think it was a perfect fit, but at the end of the date, as we were about to leave

04:28:17.660 and she made a statement about you shouldn't, this was, this was one of the most peculiar

04:28:25.460 things I've had happen, happen on a date.

04:28:28.100 She went on this rant, like she was upset at me for having brought a plastic, I'm not

04:28:34.160 making this up.

04:28:34.860 I swear this happened.

04:28:35.560 Yeah.

04:28:35.620 She's got a flask, huh?

04:28:37.480 No.

04:28:37.840 I believe you.

04:28:38.540 I believe there are people that are like that.

04:28:40.620 So I went on the first date and she was kind of eyeing it the whole time and she's like,

04:28:42.980 Brian, you shouldn't have brought a, uh, a plastic water bottle.

04:28:47.100 It's so wasteful.

04:28:48.000 Why don't you buy?

04:28:48.260 I was like looking at you as shifty.

04:28:50.000 Yeah.

04:28:50.600 Yeah.

04:28:50.880 And I was wondering to myself if that was the reason why the whole date, she was a little

04:28:54.820 bit on edge because I brought a plastic water bottle and she, her tone when she confronted

04:28:59.980 me on this, mind you, the date was pretty much over.

04:29:02.280 She was like, last thing, you know, one last, I just, before we go, I want to tell you this.

04:29:08.120 Um, God, I wish I recorded that.

04:29:09.660 Oh my God.

04:29:10.420 That would have been okay.

04:29:11.040 Content.

04:29:11.520 Okay.

04:29:12.220 Anyways.

04:29:15.080 Wait, where was I?

04:29:15.940 Oh, okay.

04:29:16.440 Yeah.

04:29:16.580 She said F you and your plastic water bottle.

04:29:18.560 Yeah.

04:29:18.740 She was getting mad at you for having the plastic water bottle.

04:29:21.120 So, uh, I mean, and so I actually reversed it on her and I was like, well, what kind of

04:29:26.780 car do you drive?

04:29:27.420 How often do you take vacations?

04:29:28.960 I know that you're wearing makeup that comes in plastic containers.

04:29:31.940 Would you be willing to cease your makeup usage for the betterment of the environment?

04:29:35.760 So I guess my question kind of jumping off the, off of that is, do you, would you be willing

04:29:43.280 to make a commitment right now if we're, if, if I'm willing, I will promise you for all

04:29:49.840 my washes, I will only use cold water if you are willing to stop buying and wearing makeup.

04:29:56.280 Do you agree?

04:29:57.080 Well, there's actually makeup that you can buy that uses reusable containers.

04:30:01.880 See, like when I'm getting makeup, I buy refills.

04:30:04.200 Well, okay.

04:30:04.740 So, so what about the, okay.

04:30:08.200 So what about the.

04:30:09.600 Yeah.

04:30:09.980 And who is that makeup tested on?

04:30:12.760 How did they test to make sure it was safe for human consumption?

04:30:15.520 Okay.

04:30:15.680 But so who.

04:30:17.580 Now this ties into climate change, by the way.

04:30:19.820 I know it does.

04:30:20.380 So the materials that are fine, it's in the paper biodegradable container.

04:30:25.920 Although I suspect probably most of your makeup isn't, but maybe some is.

04:30:29.960 So the actual makeup itself is made up of like, you know, they, I heard about this thing called

04:30:35.580 mica, mica.

04:30:37.040 Oh, yeah.

04:30:37.780 And it's frequently in various, I don't know what specifically it's in, but foundation.

04:30:42.080 I don't know exactly.

04:30:43.560 And it's mined essentially by child labor.

04:30:48.000 And, you know, then you obviously have to transport these raw materials.

04:30:53.460 And then once the, this makeup is manufactured in some other country, a lot of these makeup

04:30:59.660 products are not manufactured in the United States.

04:31:01.720 It then has to be shipped across the sea.

04:31:04.960 And then, you know, they're burning bunker fuel in these cargo ships, which is, which is

04:31:10.720 fairly, fairly bad to the environment.

04:31:13.700 So I guess, would you be willing to, I suppose there are some makeup products that are less

04:31:19.300 impactful than others, but ultimately there's still an impact.

04:31:22.340 So if I'm willing to, if I'm prepared to say, okay, I'll start washing with water.

04:31:26.700 Will you commit right now to no longer wear makeup for the rest of your life?

04:31:31.580 Here's the thing.

04:31:32.220 And I'm going to go back to your story about the water bottle.

04:31:35.740 I think that you should be able to use your plastic water bottle, right?

04:31:38.960 If I was that girl, I don't think I would have shunned you like that.

04:31:42.000 I buy plastic water bottles every now and then, but you know what I do instead?

04:31:45.260 I reuse them.

04:31:46.060 I'll refill them with water later in case I don't have a water bottle.

04:31:48.900 I'll recycle them.

04:31:49.840 I'll do what I can, right?

04:31:50.980 Like it's not about fully committing.

04:31:53.820 It's about making the swaps when you can.

04:31:56.200 When I ask you to, no, here's my logic behind it.

04:31:59.440 When I ask you, you should, when I tell you, you should be washing your clothes with only

04:32:04.960 cold water.

04:32:06.340 Does that make a difference in your life?

04:32:08.040 Does that subtract anything from your life?

04:32:10.180 Or is that just you flipping a switch on the washer, pressing start and nothing in your

04:32:13.720 life changes?

04:32:14.720 No, it doesn't.

04:32:15.520 I'm not sure.

04:32:16.000 I would have to look into, there could be an argument that could be made.

04:32:20.340 I'm not familiar.

04:32:21.820 I haven't researched arguments when it comes to laundry, but there could be, couldn't there

04:32:28.800 be some like, hold on, let me finish.

04:32:31.340 Couldn't there be some argument that, I can't believe I'm arguing this, that washing things

04:32:36.800 at a higher heat has a better, uh, like, um, what's the word?

04:32:42.460 Like if there's bacteria or something, it has a bigger impact there.

04:32:45.780 I get what you're saying.

04:32:46.600 Yeah.

04:32:46.760 Because hot water has been proven to kill germs better.

04:32:50.280 That's in terms of dishes.

04:32:52.140 That's with your saliva, everything like that.

04:32:54.880 Well, what if your clothes are soiled?

04:32:57.340 Are you soiling your clothes often?

04:32:58.900 No, but I'm just for the sake of argument.

04:33:01.520 I mean, I guess in that instance, yes.

04:33:03.400 I mean, bro, have you ever seen skid marks on?

04:33:05.260 Here's the thing.

04:33:06.100 I mean, I use baby wipes, you know?

04:33:07.520 You could just work, you could just work in a farm or something like this and have soiled

04:33:11.760 clothes, right?

04:33:12.860 I mean, in a hard pile.

04:33:14.760 Wait, but, uh, okay, so, um, fine.

04:33:17.720 Yeah.

04:33:17.940 It'd be a very simple change, but like, I guess what utility does wearing makeup serve?

04:33:24.260 What utility does wearing makeup serve?

04:33:25.120 Like, what's the actual utility?

04:33:27.420 I like doing it.

04:33:28.700 I have a good time with it.

04:33:30.080 I like my...

04:33:30.740 And I don't wear it most days.

04:33:31.940 I would say that I wear it every now and then.

04:33:33.760 A lot of days I'm just too lazy and like, it's not...

04:33:37.340 And if anyone wears it every single day, that's nothing against...

04:33:40.700 Like, I'm fine with that too.

04:33:41.880 If no one decides to wear it, individual choice.

04:33:44.780 What my argument here is that I make swaps for the climate in ways that are just like

04:33:51.780 easy.

04:33:52.180 I don't even have to think about it.

04:33:53.260 But I'm not holding myself to this crazy standard and I would never hold anyone else

04:33:57.000 to this where like, you have to do everything environmentally friendly.

04:34:00.100 Because I think you're going to kill yourself trying to just do that.

04:34:03.960 Like, you're...

04:34:04.400 It's too much to expect.

04:34:05.640 You're only human.

04:34:06.340 Like, I wouldn't expect you to do everything perfectly.

04:34:08.560 You know what I mean?

04:34:09.900 Like, that's my logic with it is like, you make the swaps when you can, but I'm not asking

04:34:15.000 you to only use cold water if you're arguing about the soiling.

04:34:19.660 I think that's a great point that you raised.

04:34:21.420 If you so happen to shit your pants, be my guest to use hot water on your clothes.

04:34:25.400 Should you use cold water when you can?

04:34:28.640 Yeah, probably.

04:34:29.940 But I'm not asking you to make all of these swaps.

04:34:32.580 No, but I'm just saying, you...

04:34:34.160 Okay, so I guess what I'm trying to get at, you made a call to action.

04:34:37.280 You're like, hey, everybody at the table, start washing your clothes with cold water.

04:34:42.000 Yes, I did.

04:34:42.340 And I'm making a call to action to you to make your own commitment to no longer wearing makeup.

04:34:51.800 But are you willing to accept this call to action?

04:34:55.960 I will say that I will stop wearing...

04:34:58.340 I'm going to do better research, and I'm going to use makeup that has better environmental benefits.

04:35:03.700 So there's makeup that you can get that's like refills of tints, so you're not buying

04:35:07.100 the packaging every single time.

04:35:08.900 There's makeup with more eco-friendly packaging, makeup that's ethically sourced.

04:35:12.480 I will make that commitment, Brian.

04:35:13.840 Yeah, so I actually...

04:35:15.900 I do appreciate you wanting to make these changes.

04:35:19.800 I think that's awesome.

04:35:20.500 I think if you, as a person, want to make those appeals to other people, that's great.

04:35:26.560 The issue I come across with, generally when this conversation comes up, is when it's

04:35:31.880 legislated by the government.

04:35:34.060 So when it's legislated by the government, it's regardless of any data, regardless of

04:35:39.480 any personal beliefs, regardless of what you think about the subject, we are mandating

04:35:44.980 that you make this change.

04:35:46.160 I think that's extremely dangerous.

04:35:47.780 Can you provide some...

04:35:50.160 What were you going to say?

04:35:50.640 But if it's for the better of, like, having, living on the planet longer...

04:35:56.300 Well, so to Andrew's point, the climate is an extremely complicated piece of, you could

04:36:03.940 say, machinery.

04:36:05.220 There's so many complex parts to it.

04:36:07.300 So many moving pieces.

04:36:09.140 Actually, since...

04:36:10.860 And their models are always wrong.

04:36:12.660 Models are always wrong.

04:36:13.800 The models are always wrong every single time.

04:36:16.600 Their predictions are false every single time.

04:36:20.280 I have absolutely...

04:36:22.320 For 100% climate change, from my perspective, it's not the official whatever podcast stance.

04:36:29.180 It's just Andrew Wilson's perspective.

04:36:31.220 It's a total fucking scam.

04:36:32.780 It's a cash scam, grab.

04:36:34.360 It's a grab-and-go scam designed specifically for a bunch of politicians and lobbyists to

04:36:40.640 pass climate change legislation so that giant megalocorporations can do a hapless cash grab.

04:36:47.780 That's exactly what's been going on since the 1980s.

04:36:51.420 Back in the 60s and 70s, they were saying global cooling is coming to destroy us all.

04:36:56.320 Leonard Nimoy did an entire video about it.

04:36:58.600 It was fantastically stupid then.

04:37:01.640 It's fantastically stupid now.

04:37:03.460 It's a pyramid scheme.

04:37:05.260 All of the predictions have been wrong.

04:37:07.420 I can show you prediction after prediction of climate experts claiming that within the

04:37:12.340 next two years, we'll never be able to bring it back.

04:37:14.860 And every single time the predictions are wrong, we are not facing any sort of extinction

04:37:20.400 event due to climate change, not even close.

04:37:22.800 Even recycling to an end is...

04:37:24.280 Let's move this on.

04:37:25.400 Yeah, that's fine.

04:37:25.780 I agree.

04:37:26.300 What were you saying about legislation again?

04:37:29.280 So we're going to move this on.

04:37:31.660 I just want to make one more point.

04:37:33.480 I mean, just kind of going off of what Andrew's explaining, like where's the hole in the ozone

04:37:39.060 layer?

04:37:40.300 Where's the deforestation that was peddled by a bunch of different lobbying groups?

04:37:46.460 Actually, the earth right now has more foliage than it did like 20 years ago by a great deal.

04:37:52.200 So, I mean, we don't see these things actually coming to pass.

04:37:57.140 They are all the time.

04:37:58.620 Every single time they've made a prediction, it's going the opposite direction.

04:38:01.940 There's also been research on this point.

04:38:03.780 Anyway, we're going to move on.

04:38:05.260 Brian, let's move on.

04:38:06.660 Oh, I'm so sorry.

04:38:08.020 I'm actually graduating.

04:38:08.960 How much debt do you have in student loans?

04:38:13.900 Wisen up and realize that you're being trained to be another mindless sheep by boomers who

04:38:18.840 hate America.

04:38:19.940 I actually do want to address this because I really appreciate you raising this point.

04:38:23.980 I actually did IB in high school, so I came in with two years' worth of college credit.

04:38:29.160 So, I'm graduating a year early, and I only have five grand of student debt, and I'm going

04:38:34.000 to be paying that off within three years, and then I'm going to go to grad school debt-free.

04:38:38.580 So, thank you for asking about my financial situation.

04:38:41.480 Thank you, Walking Roscoe.

04:38:42.740 Appreciate it.

04:38:43.560 Morgan, can you read this one?

04:38:44.700 Bill Nye noted that in the audience's lifetime, the percentage of the atmosphere that is carbon

04:38:52.400 dioxide, the prominent greenhouse gas causing global warming, has increased from 0.03% to

04:39:00.380 0.04%.

04:39:01.860 Oh, boy.

04:39:03.000 Okay.

04:39:04.200 Thank you, KMOSFU20, for the tip there.

04:39:07.500 Appreciate it.

04:39:08.000 That's 0.4%.

04:39:09.680 Oh, no.

04:39:10.620 What are we going to do?

04:39:11.540 It's over.

04:39:12.340 It's over for everybody.

04:39:13.360 So, to bring it back, we were talking about the bear thing.

04:39:19.040 You were gone.

04:39:20.140 You were in the bathroom doing, like, a stick-and-poke tattoo or something.

04:39:24.920 Yeah.

04:39:25.500 I had to get it out of the way.

04:39:27.220 Would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the woods?

04:39:31.760 A bear.

04:39:32.800 Okay.

04:39:33.320 So, bear, bear, bear.

04:39:35.440 I'd like to hear the reasons why, starting with you.

04:39:39.440 Okay.

04:39:39.920 So, first things first.

04:39:40.640 Bears act strictly off of it.

04:39:41.640 Bears act strictly off of instinct.

04:39:44.500 So, usually, if they attack, they're probably threatened.

04:39:47.420 Human beings, we have the ability to critically and logically think.

04:39:50.500 We also tend to have a moral compass.

04:39:52.460 So, anything a human does is significantly worse.

04:39:55.280 I am much more easily going to forgive a bear for mauling a human being than I will a man for hitting a woman.

04:40:01.240 Men are more dangerous because we have a moral compass.

04:40:11.100 We know it's wrong, but people still do it.

04:40:13.460 Right.

04:40:13.880 But this is assuming that in both instances, this is doing a comparison where the man attacks the woman and the bear attacks the woman.

04:40:22.560 Like, danger-wise?

04:40:23.380 This is assuming that in all scenarios, this woman is going to be attacked.

04:40:30.200 Again, I would rather, I would forgive the bear a lot easier than I would forgive the human.

04:40:35.680 So, what does that have anything to do with making a risk assessment of which one is more likely to attack you?

04:40:43.460 Because that is essentially what this question begs.

04:40:46.700 I guess, I don't know.

04:40:47.780 You're in the forest.

04:40:48.760 Well, hold on.

04:40:49.120 Let me get everybody's justification before I give my take.

04:40:52.120 So, why bear?

04:40:53.980 I don't know.

04:40:54.480 You're in the forest.

04:40:55.700 And, like, people can behave.

04:40:58.840 That's a setting?

04:40:59.680 Or am I wrong?

04:41:00.200 So, I think, yes, you are in the forest, but I'm confused.

04:41:06.960 Whatever.

04:41:07.960 I'm assuming I wouldn't see a bear in my house or anything like that.

04:41:12.520 Like, I don't know.

04:41:13.160 Like, if it's more secluded, then I would probably buy the bear more.

04:41:19.760 I don't know.

04:41:20.640 I don't know.

04:41:21.580 Well, so, if we're going to make considerations, if we're making considerations for where we're going to see the bear,

04:41:26.380 who are the type of men you're generally going to see in the forest?

04:41:28.940 Dudes who are just going camping, kind of, like, want to ignore society.

04:41:33.780 Like, they're kind of just chill guys doing bro stuff.

04:41:37.820 Like, if you're going to run across a guy in the forest, it's probably going to be a dude that's kind of just a normal guy.

04:41:44.440 So, if we're going to make those considerations for the bear, we should make those considerations for the guys.

04:41:49.160 Why the bear?

04:41:50.220 For the past two months, I already had my weird, creepy, not good things with men, and I'd rather trust the bear right now over men.

04:42:01.820 Okay.

04:42:02.160 So, you had bad personal experiences in your own life.

04:42:05.580 Yes.

04:42:06.360 Ergo, you'd rather be in a forest alone with a bear versus a man.

04:42:10.460 Brian, I've actually changed my opinion on this.

04:42:15.460 Does that not?

04:42:16.000 What's your opinion?

04:42:16.900 My opinion is I totally side with the bear now because I will tell you why.

04:42:23.440 All right, let's hear it.

04:42:24.060 The bear is satisfied with a good meal, the woman gets to accurately play the victim, and the man has no, there's no ill will on his side.

04:42:34.300 Nothing happened.

04:42:34.980 He's not blamed for any of it.

04:42:36.780 I'd rather be food for the bear.

04:42:37.700 Everyone wins.

04:42:38.680 Everyone wins.

04:42:39.660 Okay, so I...

04:42:40.220 There's a flaw in your logic.

04:42:41.960 Okay.

04:42:42.700 I'd rather be food for the bear.

04:42:43.240 Tell me, tell me.

04:42:43.880 Hang on.

04:42:44.300 I'll tell you the flaw.

04:42:45.540 Okay.

04:42:45.780 The flaw is that after all of the bitching, whining, and screaming from this woman who was mauled by a bear due to her own stupidity,

04:42:52.780 some man's going to have to go out there and put the bear down.

04:42:57.300 Fair.

04:42:57.700 You're right, Andrew.

04:42:58.760 But the bear already got me.

04:42:59.980 So I just spent the last, like, four days up in Keene Canyon and Sequoia, and, yes, I was hiking out with bears,

04:43:06.200 and I was at a river, and I went swimming, and there was a bear, like, 50 yards away.

04:43:09.880 It was a mom with her cub.

04:43:11.500 They left me alone.

04:43:12.400 I left them alone.

04:43:13.780 I went swimming in the river.

04:43:15.140 I took a nap on a rock.

04:43:16.320 I woke up, and they were gone.

04:43:17.380 But when you see a man on the trail, you go, like...

04:43:20.380 You completely ignore them and dodge them.

04:43:23.840 Okay, so hold on.

04:43:24.820 So let's just say you did that, right?

04:43:26.640 Did the man chase you down and then attack you?

04:43:29.460 No, but you tend to...

04:43:31.200 Okay, but so you took an action, like...

04:43:34.580 You took an action, but it doesn't mean that, like, nothing happened.

04:43:38.260 Yeah.

04:43:38.580 You ignored him like you did the bear?

04:43:40.300 But the point is that you don't know what that person's thinking, right?

04:43:43.420 When you sit there and you pass the bear in the woods...

04:43:45.700 But the bear's morally predictable.

04:43:47.560 No, you pass the bear in the woods.

04:43:48.740 The bear is predictable because it acts off of instinct.

04:43:51.040 Humans can sit there, and they can pass you, and then they can come behind you and, like,

04:43:53.780 pop you in the head or whatever.

04:43:54.780 Well, then let me ask you a question, just to be...

04:43:57.880 Because you can predict bear behavior, and you're obviously very skilled at the prediction

04:44:02.920 of bear behavior.

04:44:04.140 If you were to, do you think, walk up to 50 random men and pat them on the head, or 50 random

04:44:10.740 bears and pat them on the head, which one do you think would be more likely to fucking

04:44:15.020 maul you to death?

04:44:15.860 The bear, that makes it predictable.

04:44:18.020 Hold on.

04:44:18.400 That's a completely different situation.

04:44:20.160 It's not in its natural habitat.

04:44:22.220 What do you mean?

04:44:22.760 But still, but it's still a bear.

04:44:23.720 No, you can do it in their natural habitat.

04:44:25.260 You walk right over, and you just go and pat it on its fucking head.

04:44:28.600 I'm going to dodge both the bear and the man.

04:44:31.520 The man's in his natural habitat when you walk over and pat them on the head.

04:44:33.240 The man says that human beings are more dangerous than bears.

04:44:38.060 Okay, so let's try this again.

04:44:39.880 You didn't answer his question.

04:44:40.640 You would agree that men are in their natural habitat.

04:44:43.940 If you find one in a city or you find one in the country, they're in their natural habitat.

04:44:49.140 And if you walked over and you were to pat just random men on the head versus random

04:44:54.880 bears on the head, which one do you think would be more likely to viciously attack you

04:45:00.080 and kill you?

04:45:01.260 Probably the bear, but that's why you don't be stupid.

04:45:06.260 Because you know what the bear is saying.

04:45:08.000 It would be pretty stupid to take a gamble with a bear.

04:45:11.080 You seem like you'd be far more comfortable patting random men.

04:45:14.840 Touching random men without their permission seems to be well within your comfort level

04:45:19.240 as opposed to touching random bears.

04:45:21.800 Mufferability and predictability is different, though.

04:45:23.760 You don't bother a bear the way you bother men.

04:45:25.700 I get where you're going with this, but it's more about, like, I think you're trying to

04:45:31.660 say that they're just more predictable.

04:45:35.900 Yes, I'm saying because any animal acts off of instinct, it's easy to predict their next

04:45:42.800 move.

04:45:43.440 Human beings, you can't predict their next move.

04:45:46.860 Not just men.

04:45:47.980 I wouldn't even say that about just men.

04:45:49.940 You can't predict the moves of a wild bear, really?

04:45:52.860 No, yeah, that's, I mean, I'm an outdoorsman as well.

04:45:56.040 I'm a hunter.

04:45:57.020 I spend a lot of time outdoors.

04:45:59.060 I got to push back on this a little bit.

04:46:00.960 So, like, bears, yeah.

04:46:02.700 They can manipulate you into thinking that they might eat you and then they won't?

04:46:06.480 Bears are very simple.

04:46:07.860 Yeah, you're right.

04:46:08.500 They are simple.

04:46:09.340 It is either I'm going to kill you, I'm going to eliminate this new threat, or I'm going

04:46:14.120 to go away.

04:46:15.060 Those are the only two options.

04:46:16.580 With a man, there are a million options.

04:46:19.100 And only a few of them are bad.

04:46:21.120 Most of them are like, hey, I'm going to say hi to you, or I'm going to ignore you.

04:46:25.900 Most of them.

04:46:27.480 And you probably won't even see the guy.

04:46:29.580 That's absolutely fair.

04:46:30.760 And I agree with that too.

04:46:32.260 So there are far less negative outcomes with the man than there are the bear.

04:46:36.320 Far less negative, but far less negative.

04:46:37.720 Or are you going to go for, I know for sure more what the bear is going to do?

04:46:43.320 Okay, yeah.

04:46:43.700 I know for sure that the bear is either going to avoid me or murder me.

04:46:47.960 I'm not willing to take that chance.

04:46:49.660 I'm much more likely to take the chance with the guy, because there are more options than

04:46:55.640 ignore me or murder me.

04:46:57.000 That's how most serial killers get away with shit.

04:46:58.980 I would take that gamble any day.

04:47:00.680 And now I'm going to torture you.

04:47:02.580 Fair enough.

04:47:03.380 Generally speaking, that's probably not going to happen.

04:47:05.360 But with a bear, it is one of two options.

04:47:08.420 And he just might be hungry.

04:47:09.980 The bear, if it's hungry enough, it's like, hey, that thing's smaller than me.

04:47:13.500 I'm going to kill it and eat it.

04:47:14.980 I think these answers come from me personally.

04:47:17.300 Bears think that way.

04:47:18.780 It is, am I hungry?

04:47:20.540 They don't have too many thoughts in their head.

04:47:22.400 I have never ran across an aggressive bear.

04:47:25.040 And I've been around a lot of bears from the Appalachia to up north California to fucking Alaska.

04:47:29.180 Oh, bullshit.

04:47:29.400 If you want to understand the concept, though, it comes from a place.

04:47:33.440 Yeah, fucking right.

04:47:34.680 What bears have you been around in the Appalachians?

04:47:37.940 What bears?

04:47:38.800 The ones in...

04:47:39.300 What bears were you running into in the Appalachians?

04:47:41.640 There are a lot of bears in Tennessee.

04:47:42.960 What kind?

04:47:44.840 They're black bears.

04:47:46.220 How many bears...

04:47:46.880 And what other kinds of bears are there?

04:47:49.000 How many bears have you come across?

04:47:51.020 Yeah, how many bears?

04:47:52.000 How many bears have you...

04:47:53.640 I am in the woods a lot.

04:47:55.860 Okay, literally, literally dozens.

04:47:58.120 Like, you crossed paths.

04:47:59.280 Yes.

04:48:00.380 I literally have a selfie with me and a bear in the back.

04:48:03.520 Okay.

04:48:03.940 And then how many men have you walked past?

04:48:06.200 Too many.

04:48:08.120 Millions.

04:48:08.520 Okay, wait, wait, wait.

04:48:09.920 Wait, why do you say it like that?

04:48:11.800 Hold on, hold on.

04:48:12.700 Let her answer.

04:48:13.300 Why do you say it like that?

04:48:14.220 Yes, I'm anti-social.

04:48:15.160 Oh, you're not anti-men?

04:48:17.020 No, I hate everybody equally.

04:48:21.140 Okay, so how many men do you think you've just walked past without incidents?

04:48:25.800 Millions?

04:48:26.240 Quite a few.

04:48:26.660 Maybe not millions.

04:48:27.520 Hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands throughout the whole course of your life?

04:48:31.920 Think of high school, college...

04:48:33.540 Yeah, but a bear has never hurt me.

04:48:35.560 At the mall, at the restaurant.

04:48:38.420 Yes, perhaps.

04:48:39.480 I'm not doubting that a man or some men in your life have hurt you.

04:48:44.240 That's probably where that answer really comes from.

04:48:47.740 But how many...

04:48:48.100 Let me ask you a question.

04:48:49.080 How many hours of your life have you been in proximity to men as compared to proximity to bears?

04:48:56.340 Like, would you say it's you've been in proximity to bears for less than an hour of your life?

04:49:02.160 No, I would say more than an hour.

04:49:04.360 It's probably on the order of magnitude of that.

04:49:06.280 You said a couple dozen, so you're just kicking it with bears for, like, 30 minutes?

04:49:11.280 You're just chilling?

04:49:11.820 Sometimes you just sit there and you watch the bear and you're just like, okay, cool.

04:49:15.840 If we're chalking it down to just, like, a comparison to a bear, then obviously, yeah, like, this is kind of, like, ridiculous.

04:49:23.060 But the answers that are coming from, like, a bear being more likely to us to be wanting to interact with than a man is coming from other situations that are a little bit more deeper than...

04:49:40.660 My point is that human beings are more dangerous than bears.

04:49:43.600 I'm just trying not to say things I'm not allowed to either at the same time.

04:49:47.220 Yeah, I'm not saying that human beings are less capable of inflicting harm.

04:49:52.360 They are more capable of inflicting harm.

04:49:54.220 But on average, men are not going to inflict harm unnecessarily compared to bears.

04:50:01.000 Bears don't care.

04:50:02.060 They're just going to do what they want to do regardless.

04:50:04.680 There are less walls they have to go over.

04:50:07.660 Morals, their humanity.

04:50:09.900 Like, is this other person posing a threat?

04:50:12.120 That all of those walls have to be crossed by a man, but for a bear to want to maul you, it's, like, one or two.

04:50:18.640 It's, like, do I feel like it?

04:50:19.720 That's why I say it's significantly easier to forgive a bear than it is...

04:50:22.720 Well, it's not about forgiveness.

04:50:24.400 It's, like, it's likelihood of being harmed.

04:50:26.980 Well, yeah, I would still pick the bear.

04:50:28.760 I would rather be mauled by a bear than hurt by a bear.

04:50:31.820 This whole, like, it's okay.

04:50:34.140 I'm actually okay with that.

04:50:36.500 Just fine.

04:50:37.740 I don't know.

04:50:38.100 Have you ever seen a woman's...

04:50:39.400 I mean, who cares?

04:50:40.640 Have you ever seen a woman's reaction to a spider?

04:50:45.000 And y'all gonna pick bear?

04:50:47.420 I love spiders.

04:50:48.680 Okay, what's that?

04:50:49.360 What you got?

04:50:49.900 Can I add a little follow-up question to the bear talk, keeping on the subject of bear talk?

04:50:54.120 And I want everyone to answer real quickly.

04:50:55.860 You're walking through a forest.

04:50:57.320 This is part two of the question.

04:50:58.580 You're walking through a forest, and you can see one of the three following things.

04:51:02.440 What do you pick?

04:51:03.460 A man, a bear, or a woman?

04:51:05.420 Which one do you pick?

04:51:07.680 A man.

04:51:09.240 Still probably the bear.

04:51:11.380 Still a man.

04:51:12.440 No, it's solely just...

04:51:13.420 I don't think there's any right or wrong answer.

04:51:14.900 I'm just asking out of curiosity.

04:51:16.600 A woman.

04:51:17.360 No, I don't know.

04:51:19.020 I would choose a man because a woman can't help me.

04:51:21.840 Yeah.

04:51:22.360 I would trust in a man more than I would trust in a woman.

04:51:25.620 A thousand percent.

04:51:26.540 Okay.

04:51:26.880 Damn.

04:51:27.780 I'm a firm believer if you can't get out of the woods by yourself, you don't deserve to get out of the woods.

04:51:33.040 It's not really the question, but...

04:51:34.820 Fair enough.

04:51:36.100 I mean, you could even...

04:51:37.020 They're talking about a man helping them.

04:51:38.720 No, I mean, that's how I view it.

04:51:41.040 Yeah.

04:51:41.200 If I was in the woods, how I kind of view it is that...

04:51:44.760 Wait, wait, wait.

04:51:45.980 Now, are you one of those people who would be able to get out of the woods yourself?

04:51:49.220 Yeah, I just spent the last four days in the fucking woods.

04:51:51.540 All right, great.

04:51:52.200 Can you tell me how you make a fire in the woods?

04:51:55.160 Yeah, you have a spark thing.

04:51:57.240 Yeah, no, you don't have anything.

04:51:58.700 You just have your bare hands.

04:52:00.020 How would you make a fire?

04:52:01.740 The stick with the little...

04:52:03.920 What does that mean?

04:52:05.120 I don't know what that means.

04:52:05.860 Just walk me through how you would make a fire in the woods.

04:52:09.860 You rub the sticks together, dude.

04:52:11.700 What's the little bit of...

04:52:12.600 You rub two sticks together.

04:52:14.100 And then what happens when you rub two sticks together?

04:52:16.000 Friction happens, and then it creates heat.

04:52:17.880 And then heat creates fire.

04:52:19.380 Well, I mean, that's true.

04:52:20.660 But you would have to combust something, right?

04:52:23.480 Yes.

04:52:24.340 Yeah, so why don't you walk me through, without being snarky,

04:52:27.360 actually walk me through how you would start a fire in the woods by yourself.

04:52:30.200 What does having to start a fire have to do with anything?

04:52:33.580 It follows.

04:52:34.240 What does you...

04:52:34.900 I don't understand.

04:52:36.200 You're one of the guys...

04:52:37.340 You're going to make it.

04:52:38.620 You're the person who's going to make it out of these woods.

04:52:41.900 You are a savage She-Ra broad.

04:52:44.520 Now, tell me how you make a fire in the woods

04:52:46.180 when you don't have anything to make a fire with.

04:52:49.100 Tell me.

04:52:49.440 You carry a lighter.

04:52:51.740 You don't have a lighter.

04:52:53.180 I don't know why you don't have a lighter,

04:52:54.580 but I'm very prepared when I go in the woods.

04:52:56.140 Why don't you...

04:52:56.580 So you can't answer the question?

04:52:58.220 I don't feel like answering this question.

04:52:59.800 You can't answer the question, right?

04:53:01.560 No, because I already answered it.

04:53:02.660 But you would be one of the ones who got out of the woods, right?

04:53:04.800 Yes.

04:53:05.740 No, I would die in the woods.

04:53:06.580 Wait, why don't you feel like answering the question?

04:53:08.960 I just answered the question.

04:53:10.100 You didn't answer...

04:53:10.680 You just said...

04:53:11.360 Friction creates heat.

04:53:12.240 Heat creates fire.

04:53:12.780 Yeah, but he was looking for it.

04:53:15.040 Well, no, no.

04:53:16.500 That's just an oversimplification.

04:53:18.820 Walk me through how you would do it.

04:53:23.220 I'm good.

04:53:23.940 Just take the L and say you don't know.

04:53:25.800 Okay, fine.

04:53:26.320 I don't know.

04:53:26.920 You don't...

04:53:27.360 So, okay.

04:53:30.900 Do you...

04:53:31.420 You actually don't know, though?

04:53:33.680 I don't know.

04:53:34.320 You got...

04:53:34.960 Can you...

04:53:35.360 Into the mic?

04:53:35.980 I do not feel like having this conversation right now.

04:53:38.280 Hold on.

04:53:38.760 You're triggered over the making fire conversation?

04:53:41.160 I'm not...

04:53:41.500 That's where you draw the line on making fire?

04:53:43.800 Yes.

04:53:44.280 I draw the line on making fire.

04:53:45.500 I will not make fire.

04:53:46.260 I will die in the woods, cold and alone, happy.

04:53:49.300 Well, why...

04:53:49.920 Okay, why don't you just engage in good faith?

04:53:53.200 Like, I don't...

04:53:53.940 I don't get it.

04:53:55.220 I mean, it's kind of funny to me that...

04:53:57.500 I mean, you were so into the conversation five seconds ago, and then suddenly, I don't

04:54:01.480 want to answer any questions.

04:54:02.540 It's very strange.

04:54:03.180 In fact, hold on.

04:54:08.520 In your pre-show notes, you said, you're incorrect about the bear debate, and if it is still a

04:54:14.420 topic of conversation when I come on the show, I would love to come on and tell you

04:54:18.240 you're wrong, if you would have me again.

04:54:21.620 Yeah.

04:54:21.940 So, you can't just shut down the conversation.

04:54:23.880 But this has nothing...

04:54:24.440 Actually, I brought up the bear debate.

04:54:25.520 I already told you...

04:54:26.280 I brought up the bear debate precisely because...

04:54:28.280 I already told you, I prefer to pick the bear, and I said, I'm a firm believer, if you can't

04:54:32.720 make it out alive by yourself, then you don't deserve to make it out alive.

04:54:36.280 But you also said you would be one of the ones who did.

04:54:38.740 Okay, then I won't.

04:54:39.740 I'll die in the woods.

04:54:41.680 So, you wouldn't be one of the ones who would make it out of the woods?

04:54:43.560 No, I won't.

04:54:45.960 But you're holding yourself out to be some, like, survivalist, and he's asking you a basic

04:54:50.020 survival question.

04:54:51.100 I'm not a survivalist.

04:54:52.020 I just hike in the woods for days at a time.

04:54:55.860 Okay.

04:54:56.280 Okay, well, she doesn't want to answer the fire question.

04:55:02.980 So, there's not really anything we can do.

04:55:05.440 You take two sticks, and you rub them together.

04:55:08.240 Rub them together.

04:55:10.340 That's right.

04:55:10.940 And then, fire.

04:55:14.240 Exactly.

04:55:15.020 Okay, well, I'll move it on to...

04:55:16.180 Because friction is tough.

04:55:19.660 Yes.

04:55:20.560 You also, I mean, we touched on the bullet thing, the whole protection thing.

04:55:23.900 In your pre-show notes, you said, you're also wrong about men not dying for, slash, or protecting

04:55:28.240 in general their women.

04:55:30.440 Woman.

04:55:32.040 Yes, women do need to be, parentheses, a lot better.

04:55:36.500 There is definitely a pattern of absent fathers and harsh women.

04:55:39.200 These are your words, not mine.

04:55:40.120 However, men shoving off their protector-provider responsibility is the reason women have had

04:55:44.860 to step up in those roles, making women more masculine, slash, I don't need a man feminist.

04:55:49.600 The reason women are the way they are now is because boys are not growing up into men,

04:55:53.940 but rather staying in a Peter Pan, never grow up state because the women have taken over

04:55:57.880 and men don't feel the need to step up.

04:56:00.340 A lot of these men out here are still sucking on...

04:56:03.600 Their mom's...

04:56:06.300 Teat.

04:56:07.040 This is also the reason so many of the young men are depressed because they don't feel they

04:56:10.600 have a purpose or they are needed.

04:56:12.100 If we as a society bring back strong masculine men and not the fake, I want to control my woman

04:56:17.220 type of masculinity, there's a lot of that, women would fall in line with much less resistance.

04:56:24.920 Do you want to elaborate or anything?

04:56:27.180 What would you like me to elaborate on?

04:56:28.940 Well, I was just reading your pre-show notes.

04:56:30.940 I don't know if you had any additions, addendums, amendments.

04:56:36.260 No, I think I meant what I said.

04:56:37.880 If you would like clarification on it.

04:56:39.160 I think I made it pretty clear.

04:56:40.660 Okay, well, I'll ask you a couple questions then.

04:56:42.520 You said, not the fake, I want to control my woman type of masculinity.

04:56:46.740 What does that mean?

04:56:48.060 Oh, there's a lot of men who sit there and they act like they're masculine just so they

04:56:53.040 can control the woman.

04:56:55.940 Like what a woman's about?

04:56:57.080 No, they sit there and they tell her what she can and can't do as if she's like a helpless...

04:57:02.120 Okay, hold on.

04:57:03.040 Okay, so what about, I'm dating a girl and I say, I don't want you going out to bars

04:57:08.740 and nightclubs.

04:57:09.560 Is that controlling?

04:57:10.700 No, that's not controlling.

04:57:11.540 That's a safety thing.

04:57:12.400 But she should also know that.

04:57:14.140 Okay, so, I mean, what would be a controlling thing then?

04:57:17.400 Saying that you can't like, I don't know, go out with your family or some shit.

04:57:21.340 Like that's the kind of shit like my ex used to say.

04:57:23.340 Yeah, no, I've been to that.

04:57:23.900 He wouldn't let me, yeah, he wouldn't let me go out with my family because he was a racist.

04:57:28.080 Well, now we're talking about something kind of different.

04:57:31.080 That's the controlling aspect that I'm, a lot of men I have met are like that.

04:57:35.640 How is going out with your family racist?

04:57:37.500 I think she said something.

04:57:38.320 I have no idea.

04:57:40.000 Anyways, moving this on.

04:57:41.500 So, I mean, here's my rebuttal.

04:57:43.520 This is absolutely bulletproof.

04:57:45.460 Not fallacious at all.

04:57:49.000 Definitely not fallacious.

04:57:51.120 Absolutely bulletproof.

04:57:53.140 You have a septum piercing.

04:57:54.880 Case closed.

04:57:55.680 So, I can just disregard every single thing you say.

04:58:00.980 I'm going to call it the septum piercing razor.

04:58:05.000 Okay.

04:58:05.720 She who has a septum piercing, you can just disregard all the shit she says.

04:58:12.120 You can have that opinion.

04:58:15.140 It's called the septumium fallacy.

04:58:18.960 That's good.

04:58:19.320 And I actually, Andrew, I think you'll like this one.

04:58:21.640 There's also, Andrew, you and me, we've tangled with a couple women who, on their Instagram, some of them are OF girls, on their Instagram or their Twitter, there's photos of them with a substance on their face.

04:58:37.720 Oh.

04:58:39.460 And a couple girls.

04:58:42.320 So, I'd like to, I know, oh my God, I can't.

04:58:46.080 So, there's a razor.

04:58:47.500 Brian, a substance.

04:58:49.000 What sort of substance?

04:58:51.640 What sort of substance are you talking about?

04:58:54.020 It comes from the phallus.

04:58:56.120 Oh, it does.

04:58:57.140 Okay, got it.

04:58:58.940 So, I'm dubbing this the Atlas Razor.

04:59:02.780 One's opinion can be dismissed should one have a photo of them with jizz on their face.

04:59:08.900 It's called the Atlas's Razor.

04:59:11.520 Is that a real thing?

04:59:11.960 You can just dismiss anybody, you can dismiss their, any assertions or opinions they have if you have a photo, man or a woman.

04:59:19.460 This isn't a sexist thing.

04:59:20.320 This is an answer, Brian doesn't know this, but this is the age old answer to the, what is called the genetic fallacy.

04:59:27.480 And the genetic fallacy is when you essentially say that the argument isn't valid due to the source of the argument itself.

04:59:35.420 That would be the genetic fallacy.

04:59:37.220 But this is the counter to it.

04:59:39.120 This is the counter to the genetic fallacy.

04:59:41.240 It's the counter.

04:59:41.440 So, if the source has jizz on its face, you can instantly dismiss it as being invalid and it invalidates the genetic fallacy.

04:59:52.780 I agree.

04:59:53.640 This is the Atlas response to the genetic fallacy.

04:59:56.880 I think that that's fair.

04:59:58.060 Yeah.

04:59:58.260 And by the way, this isn't like a sexist thing.

05:00:00.140 If a guy has a photo with spunk on his face, you can also dismiss his, huh?

05:00:06.540 It's just the photo part that like does it?

05:00:09.460 Well, that's the proof.

05:00:10.400 You need the proof.

05:00:11.040 You can't just assert that, you know, if somebody had that on their face at one time, there needs to be evidence.

05:00:16.080 Oh, and it's got to be on the face.

05:00:16.920 All right.

05:00:17.140 All right.

05:00:18.600 Did you have something else?

05:00:24.040 No, I think I made my point.

05:00:25.800 By the way, this is now, we're going to refer to this as the Coombe Clause, which invalidates the genetic fallacy from here on out.

05:00:35.740 Good talk.

05:00:38.440 Anyways, but don't you think it's a little, you know, don't you think it's a little, this whole bear thing, you know, a little discriminant, a little bias, a little anti-man bias.

05:00:47.920 This is what I'll tell you.

05:00:49.080 This is what I'll tell you.

05:00:49.780 A little anti-male bias.

05:00:51.480 I like animals more than people in general.

05:00:53.460 You didn't understand the part, like the point I was trying to make at all?

05:00:55.880 What were you trying to make?

05:00:57.040 Like the, it keeps coming up that we keep saying bear or most of us, at least because of the experiences we've individually had with.

05:01:08.440 Can I ask you a question?

05:01:09.520 And it has nothing to do with the bear.

05:01:10.980 Obviously, I don't want to interact with the bear.

05:01:12.440 So let's just change, let's change up this scenario then.

05:01:15.540 Let's change.

05:01:17.920 Have you ever had a bad experience with someone who's part of a racial group?

05:01:23.960 I was going to do one better.

05:01:25.440 No, hold on.

05:01:26.240 Let her answer the question.

05:01:28.140 I mean.

05:01:28.900 Like, have you ever had a bad experience?

05:01:30.900 I'm not saying because they're part of that racial group.

05:01:33.240 But let's say you had a bad experience with someone who happened to be part of a racial group.

05:01:38.960 It could be a white person.

05:01:40.120 It could be a black person.

05:01:41.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:01:42.060 Okay.

05:01:42.460 I mean, sure.

05:01:44.720 Right.

05:01:45.060 Would that then be pretext for having a negative bias towards the racial group?

05:01:49.780 No.

05:01:50.720 So why is it okay then to have a negative bias towards the male group?

05:01:55.320 Because it could have been a man or a woman.

05:01:57.000 Like, in my case, I'm not thinking of it as it just being the man that I wouldn't.

05:02:03.800 No, but you're saying we've had bad experience with men.

05:02:08.180 Because that was your argument.

05:02:10.260 Like, no, but realistically, it could have been a man or a woman.

05:02:13.260 But if you make that same argument against a racial group, would it be sexist?

05:02:21.100 It could be that racist man or a woman that could.

05:02:23.820 But would you then be racist if you said, because I had a bad experience with a person who's part of this group,

05:02:31.840 I no longer feel comfortable.

05:02:34.360 I no longer feel safe.

05:02:35.540 I no longer trust this group.

05:02:38.280 No, I don't necessarily.

05:02:39.340 Is it racist?

05:02:40.340 No.

05:02:41.260 It's not racist.

05:02:41.740 I could be totally, like, not catching on to what you're saying.

05:02:46.660 You're not catching on.

05:02:48.040 No, I'm saying that could be possible.

05:02:51.200 You said because of my past bad experiences with men, I don't feel safe around men.

05:02:58.220 I don't trust men.

05:02:59.100 I'd rather be in a forest with a bear.

05:03:01.300 Like, that's what I'm saying.

05:03:02.620 When I include, it's not just the man thing.

05:03:05.480 I'm not going for just the man.

05:03:07.280 That's literally it, though.

05:03:09.920 That's the part where I meant, like, maybe.

05:03:11.620 Okay, so would you rather be alone in the forest with a woman or a bear?

05:03:16.640 At this point, fucking neither, dude.

05:03:19.080 Because I don't care about that bear.

05:03:20.920 I'm not going to let you weasel.

05:03:22.120 I'm not going to let you weasel out of this.

05:03:23.940 Answer the question.

05:03:26.180 Bear.

05:03:26.860 Still the bear.

05:03:27.840 Still the bear?

05:03:28.180 I've been treated weirdly by women just as much as I have by men different ways.

05:03:36.600 I don't know.

05:03:37.160 It's not a sexist thing to me at all.

05:03:39.500 It's not sexist to be more afraid of men over bears.

05:03:43.200 You're just saying bear.

05:03:45.780 Because, I mean, if you, you're, you'll say bear now just because, but like, no, you're

05:03:53.020 going to choose a woman.

05:03:53.900 But that's not necessarily fair.

05:03:55.700 Because I know every girl sitting at this table has had a friend in their life that was

05:04:00.020 their friend who is no longer their friend because that particular girl did them so dirty

05:04:04.080 or did them something terrible or started some terrible thing in their life.

05:04:08.980 But you will, you're not going to hold that against a girl and you're going to be like,

05:04:11.840 dude, I like you a lot.

05:04:12.760 I want to be your friend.

05:04:13.600 You will never do that.

05:04:14.700 You will trust another woman.

05:04:15.880 So how can you not trust another man?

05:04:18.460 Nickelodeon donated $199.

05:04:22.100 Lady, stop trying to bring up your traumatized past just so you can say it's too traumatic to

05:04:28.320 talk about and act like a victim.

05:04:30.520 We don't want to hear it.

05:04:32.060 Go talk to the bear about your traumas.

05:04:35.140 Okay.

05:04:35.700 Thank you, Nickelodeon.

05:04:36.520 Appreciate it.

05:04:37.640 I think you need therapy.

05:04:40.080 Okay.

05:04:40.620 So somebody rightly brought up in my chat that we'll call it the genetic material fallacy.

05:04:50.140 Nice.

05:04:51.340 Hold on.

05:04:51.760 I'm too late on the button.

05:04:53.200 Okay.

05:04:53.820 Morgan, can I have you read this one?

05:04:55.540 Yeah.

05:04:55.720 Ladies, you are alone in a lake, let's say Florida.

05:04:59.580 Would you rather come across a man or in 12-foot alligator?

05:05:03.640 All right.

05:05:03.840 Going around the table.

05:05:04.720 Which one?

05:05:05.860 Why do I always have to start the questions?

05:05:08.460 It is unfortunately a mess.

05:05:09.440 Okay.

05:05:09.740 We'll start over here.

05:05:10.680 We'll start over here.

05:05:11.280 Go ahead.

05:05:11.620 Please switch the rotation for once.

05:05:13.680 Thank you.

05:05:13.980 Hold on.

05:05:14.380 Go ahead.

05:05:14.900 Gator.

05:05:16.000 You want to be with the gator?

05:05:17.040 I'll be with the gator.

05:05:18.060 I'll catch him.

05:05:18.900 I'll barbecue him up.

05:05:20.380 Smoke him.

05:05:21.480 Couldn't you also cannibalize the man?

05:05:23.780 Yeah, but that's gross.

05:05:24.580 Okay.

05:05:25.200 Good talk.

05:05:25.960 All right.

05:05:26.340 What about you?

05:05:27.420 If it comes down to any wild animal, it's going to be me?

05:05:32.260 Yeah, scoot.

05:05:34.100 If it comes down to any wild animal, I'm going to always pick a man.

05:05:36.900 Okay.

05:05:37.760 Man.

05:05:39.960 12-foot alligator or man?

05:05:41.400 What the hell for a man?

05:05:42.740 Okay.

05:05:43.240 Whatever.

05:05:43.980 Man.

05:05:44.620 Man?

05:05:45.480 I don't know.

05:05:46.100 Probably a man.

05:05:46.880 This is you.

05:05:47.220 She picked the bear, but she switched the alligator.

05:05:51.060 Alligators are scary.

05:05:52.500 Alligators are like a dinosaur.

05:05:53.600 So are bears.

05:05:55.720 Okay.

05:05:55.920 I saw Jurassic Park.

05:05:56.960 Switching subjects here.

05:05:59.580 Let's see.

05:06:00.280 We had...

05:06:02.340 Oh, something?

05:06:04.000 Wait.

05:06:04.320 No, this is for our friend here.

05:06:07.120 Oh, you had a crazy tattoo too, right?

05:06:08.860 What's the one that you have?

05:06:09.940 What is your tattoo?

05:06:11.580 Lucky you.

05:06:13.660 Into the mic?

05:06:14.440 I have a lucky you tattoo, tattooed right above my Hunana.

05:06:20.360 Yeah.

05:06:21.340 What a name.

05:06:22.040 Good songs.

05:06:22.980 Yeah.

05:06:24.040 All right.

05:06:25.680 And...

05:06:25.960 Into Andrew's defense...

05:06:28.340 Or not defense, but...

05:06:31.900 Oh, for the love of all that is good, please don't defend any argument.

05:06:35.500 No, I just said not defend.

05:06:37.100 Defend was the wrong word.

05:06:38.020 Please don't.

05:06:38.040 Don't do it.

05:06:38.720 Don't do it.

05:06:39.360 Oh, we're doing it.

05:06:40.060 We're hoping you would do this.

05:06:40.840 To reiterate what he said last time, yes, we all know.

05:06:44.520 It came from not the original Harley Quinn.

05:06:50.540 Sick.

05:06:51.980 Okay.

05:06:53.020 You said that your first relationship was with a drug dealer?

05:06:57.860 Yeah.

05:06:58.460 You put that in your notes?

05:06:59.480 Yeah, we briefly talked about that last time.

05:07:01.240 Oh, last time.

05:07:01.820 Yeah, I think I mentioned that in there.

05:07:03.540 I was like, we kind of touched base on that a little bit.

05:07:07.240 I just kind of brought it up again because you guys have the question about the dating experience.

05:07:12.340 And you said you were alpha widowed?

05:07:14.440 Yeah, it was the term, I think, when Jake used.

05:07:21.220 Yeah.

05:07:22.040 Or was it you?

05:07:22.780 No.

05:07:23.240 Jake?

05:07:23.820 That was Jake.

05:07:24.460 That was the Australian guy.

05:07:25.820 Well, no, because you looked at him all weird, so I thought maybe I got them confused or something.

05:07:30.180 Yeah, because...

05:07:31.320 What does that mean?

05:07:32.340 Alpha widowed is basically where you end up dating somebody and they fuck you up so bad that you don't date again.

05:07:39.980 Wasn't there another word?

05:07:45.500 Too slow.

05:07:46.480 Fuck.

05:07:47.920 All right.

05:07:50.280 You...

05:07:51.200 Were you dating him last show?

05:07:54.720 The guy?

05:07:55.060 No.

05:07:55.500 I've been single for about two and a half years now.

05:07:59.520 Celibate?

05:08:00.240 Did you say you were celibate?

05:08:01.220 I've been celibate for eight or nine months now?

05:08:05.540 Really?

05:08:06.660 No.

05:08:07.080 I'm being serious.

05:08:08.300 I got off birth control, so that's also a big reason why.

05:08:11.760 Because of birth control?

05:08:13.200 I mean, they could like...

05:08:13.580 Well, no, because I'm saying I don't feel comfortable right now having sex with somebody that I'm not in an intimate relationship or committed relationship with not being on birth control.

05:08:23.120 Yeah, you don't...

05:08:24.120 Because you don't want to use a rubber?

05:08:27.380 Is that it?

05:08:28.080 No.

05:08:28.480 It's okay.

05:08:28.800 I get it.

05:08:28.880 It's not even just that.

05:08:29.660 I get it.

05:08:30.020 What's that surprise?

05:08:30.700 I just don't...

05:08:32.200 I don't trust it.

05:08:33.500 Let's put it this way.

05:08:34.380 Even being on birth control, I'm that person that would still have fear of getting pregnant.

05:08:40.540 So I just don't want to risk it.

05:08:44.220 I just don't find the need to risk it.

05:08:45.720 Okay.

05:08:46.300 All right.

05:08:47.580 Was there more that occurred?

05:08:49.720 Because you mentioned the Alpha Widow thing again in your pre-show notes.

05:08:52.880 Oh, no.

05:08:53.400 I said basically that I felt I was officially out of that scenario now because recently I found out he has knocked up a third woman that he's not with.

05:09:09.780 So I was like, I've really got to start questioning the type of men I'm into.

05:09:16.580 A bear isn't going to do that.

05:09:19.080 Actually, bear probably procreate more than a man would.

05:09:22.880 A bear just eats their young.

05:09:27.440 But I get your point.

05:09:32.580 So wait.

05:09:33.900 And this guy with the new baby mama, he's the bio dad?

05:09:39.500 No, no, no.

05:09:40.320 He's not the father of my...

05:09:41.380 Oh, he's just the guy you dated.

05:09:42.520 He's like my high school sweetheart.

05:09:44.280 Oh, okay.

05:09:45.020 I see.

05:09:45.660 Hi, Josh.

05:09:47.060 Yo, what up, Josh?

05:09:49.400 He's just out there.

05:09:52.760 Just out there.

05:09:53.840 Okay.

05:09:54.980 Going back to you, you said that there's this...

05:09:59.240 This is a dating story you shared.

05:10:00.980 There was this one dude who didn't know what the third pedal in my car was for.

05:10:04.880 You have never yelled GTFO so fast before in my life.

05:10:10.820 Yep.

05:10:11.240 That date was canceled.

05:10:12.460 Yeah.

05:10:13.220 He hopped in my car and he was like, why do you have three pedals?

05:10:16.980 I was like, get the fuck out of my car.

05:10:20.060 Wait, really?

05:10:20.820 He was 28 years old and he didn't know what a stick shift was.

05:10:23.100 I told him to get the fuck out for the lack of knowledge.

05:10:24.780 I mean, it's kind of like...

05:10:26.560 How are you 28 years old and not know what a stick shift is?

05:10:29.640 No, you're a human and not know what a stick shift is.

05:10:32.220 It's kind of a little ridiculous he didn't know what it was, but like, you blew up the

05:10:37.340 date over that?

05:10:38.460 Yes.

05:10:39.460 Can you drive a stick shift?

05:10:40.880 Yes.

05:10:41.320 My daily car is a stick shift.

05:10:43.720 All right.

05:10:43.980 I was just wondering.

05:10:45.860 Jeez.

05:10:46.380 You're so defensive.

05:10:50.140 Why would you blow up?

05:10:51.800 You're an ass-kicking Forrest fire-starting chick.

05:10:54.340 I was just curious if you also knew how to drive a stick shift.

05:10:58.020 Drive a stick shift.

05:10:58.860 I ride a motorcycle.

05:11:00.080 I do all of it.

05:11:01.520 What kind of stick shift do you drive?

05:11:02.620 Oh my God.

05:11:03.500 Who the hell cares?

05:11:04.680 Everybody cares, Brian.

05:11:06.640 I have a 95 Yamaha Virago.

05:11:08.580 Why would you blow up a date?

05:11:10.820 Because I'm not going to sit there.

05:11:11.900 Like, driving a stick shift is a...

05:11:13.520 Like, I don't want to be more masculine than a man.

05:11:16.500 That's her bad name.

05:11:16.980 And if you don't know how to drive a stick shift, then like, that's little bitch behavior.

05:11:20.120 It's a bitch behavior to not know how to drive a stick shift?

05:11:22.540 Yes.

05:11:22.900 I don't know about not know how to drive a stick shift.

05:11:23.900 I don't need to know how to drive a stick.

05:11:26.060 It's okay.

05:11:26.860 Admit it.

05:11:27.860 My car is stick.

05:11:29.340 Oh, okay.

05:11:29.780 I mean, is there not something...

05:11:30.460 I don't know how to drive a fucking stick.

05:11:32.380 I can't drive a stick.

05:11:33.640 Beta.

05:11:33.960 Tell me how it's really feeling.

05:11:34.820 Beta.

05:11:35.420 It's beta to not know how...

05:11:36.820 Andrew, do you know how to drive a stick?

05:11:37.780 Little bitch-isms over here.

05:11:39.560 Yeah.

05:11:40.160 Yeah.

05:11:41.300 Yeah.

05:11:42.040 I mean, I could have guessed that base off his age.

05:11:44.060 It's like a girl doesn't know how to cook.

05:11:46.020 Like, that doesn't...

05:11:46.820 How did...

05:11:47.240 You've never driven stick before?

05:11:49.140 I did in high school.

05:11:50.740 My friend once...

05:11:52.400 Most cars are automatic.

05:11:53.980 It's inferior.

05:11:56.820 Driving stick is so much better than an automatic car.

05:12:02.500 You get the whole interactive experience.

05:12:05.600 How?

05:12:06.040 Yeah, I don't know about better.

05:12:07.420 I don't know where you came up with the idea it's better.

05:12:09.600 No.

05:12:10.560 Isn't it more...

05:12:11.660 It's so much more fun to drive.

05:12:13.620 Okay, yes.

05:12:14.300 It could be more fun.

05:12:15.680 But, like, in terms of...

05:12:18.580 What?

05:12:19.500 What?

05:12:20.420 What?

05:12:20.720 Isn't there, like, an equivalent thing that...

05:12:23.860 Yeah, by the way, that 95 you're talking about is a motorcycle.

05:12:26.900 I'm talking about a car.

05:12:28.480 Oh, a car?

05:12:28.780 You drive a stick shift in a car.

05:12:30.480 Yeah.

05:12:31.700 Okay.

05:12:32.200 I have a Mazda.

05:12:32.680 So, on a foreign car, how do you pop a stick shift in reverse?

05:12:36.720 What?

05:12:37.880 On a foreign car, how do you pop a stick shift in reverse?

05:12:41.500 Like, in stick?

05:12:43.300 Yes.

05:12:44.000 I have the bar right by the one.

05:12:46.380 Is that what you're talking about?

05:12:47.560 No, in a foreign vehicle.

05:12:49.140 I've never driven a foreign vehicle before.

05:12:49.980 I'm not talking about an American-made clutch.

05:12:52.320 I'm talking about a foreign clutch.

05:12:53.800 How would you go in reverse in a foreign clutch?

05:12:55.540 I've never driven a foreign vehicle before.

05:12:56.260 You ain't a woman if you haven't driven a foreign clutch.

05:12:59.140 You ain't a woman if you haven't driven a foreign clutch.

05:12:59.200 You ain't a woman if you haven't driven a foreign clutch.

05:13:01.580 I don't know what's wrong.

05:13:02.440 Yeah, you're way out of your league.

05:13:04.980 My point is, I don't want to be more masculine than my man.

05:13:08.660 You just go with the R, right?

05:13:10.860 Yeah.

05:13:11.360 You just swing it over to the R, and you just let off that clutch, and it goes for you.

05:13:14.400 You just skeet, skeet it, and you zoom back.

05:13:16.920 Skeet.

05:13:17.360 I thought you were into the real shit.

05:13:19.160 What the hell?

05:13:20.680 I mean, isn't there like...

05:13:21.680 By the way, if you know, on a foreign car, you always have to pop down before you go in reverse,

05:13:26.080 or it won't go in reverse.

05:13:26.900 Just so you know.

05:13:27.780 Just like for future work.

05:13:28.560 A foreign car is usually like a...

05:13:29.780 There's an action.

05:13:30.620 You have to put the stick down or pull something up, and then you can shift it in reverse.

05:13:34.720 So you're saying a man is less...

05:13:36.640 A man needs to learn how to drive a stick shift, yes.

05:13:39.020 And you should also be able to back up a vehicle without looking in the fucking rear view camera.

05:13:43.640 If you can't back up your car without looking in the stupid camera, get out.

05:13:52.620 Get out.

05:13:53.340 As a valet, I mean, like, I can use...

05:13:56.280 I valeted for like seven years.

05:13:58.960 I can use the side view mirrors to back in, but the rear view camera is so nice.

05:14:04.400 It is such a perk.

05:14:06.100 Nope.

05:14:06.640 Yeah.

05:14:07.020 I've backed in thousands of cars.

05:14:09.720 Yeah, you churn your own butter, too.

05:14:12.720 I do.

05:14:14.280 Yes, I do, actually.

05:14:15.880 This bitch, you churn your own butter, son.

05:14:18.020 What the fuck?

05:14:19.040 Isn't there like an equivalent quality about women that like is like, oh, if she doesn't

05:14:23.760 know how to cook, then...

05:14:24.160 Yeah, she doesn't.

05:14:24.760 What's that old school fucking laundry thing where the chicks are scrubbing the fucking...

05:14:28.860 You wash your clothes by hand?

05:14:30.180 Something as simple as like cooking.

05:14:31.540 Oh, the chick.

05:14:32.580 She ain't a real woman if she ain't...

05:14:34.260 She's using the washboard.

05:14:35.860 She ain't a real woman if she ain't scrubbing the laundry like this.

05:14:39.320 Well, obviously not like that.

05:14:41.100 I do hand wash a lot of my clothes.

05:14:42.460 It's honestly a better way to go about it.

05:14:44.520 You don't take it.

05:14:46.640 There is that.

05:14:47.760 Come on.

05:14:49.680 Maybe not by you specifically.

05:14:51.480 She ain't a real woman.

05:14:54.220 The real question.

05:14:55.280 Can you back up a trailer?

05:14:57.460 Oh, no.

05:14:58.880 Like a 10 foot, yeah.

05:15:00.740 Yeah?

05:15:01.960 Have you ever taken anything out when you're backing up a trailer?

05:15:04.980 The truth now.

05:15:06.180 No, I haven't.

05:15:07.120 I wouldn't do anything longer than 10 feet.

05:15:12.020 Okay.

05:15:13.020 And in a 10 footer, have you ever taken anything out?

05:15:15.320 No, I did not.

05:15:16.740 Never?

05:15:17.420 Nope.

05:15:18.420 Not even once?

05:15:19.420 Nope.

05:15:20.380 All right.

05:15:20.820 She's not a real woman.

05:15:23.160 I'm a very good driver.

05:15:24.080 If she doesn't.

05:15:25.360 For a woman.

05:15:25.960 Yeah, if you can't back up a 12 foot trailer, what the hell?

05:15:29.060 I'm not pulling things with my little Mazda.

05:15:32.500 The only way to back up a trailer is to have your dad yelling at you from the side.

05:15:38.380 Wait, you're driving a Mazda?

05:15:40.600 Yeah, I drive a Mazda.

05:15:42.660 Ugh.

05:15:44.520 That, like, ruined it.

05:15:45.740 What the fuck is, ugh.

05:15:48.840 She's not a real woman if she doesn't make her own bread yeast.

05:15:55.560 Yeah, I thought there was going to be, like, oh, I have an old Ford pickup truck.

05:16:00.080 You know, something.

05:16:01.340 A Mazda.

05:16:03.340 Boat house.

05:16:03.800 What do I look like I drive?

05:16:05.200 You look like you drive a boat house.

05:16:06.460 You could eat a Subaru.

05:16:07.720 I literally don't.

05:16:09.860 No, you did not.

05:16:12.320 I'm not going to lie.

05:16:14.080 I really thought she was going to say, like, Bronco, for sure.

05:16:16.860 I had to.

05:16:21.900 Can I switch seats with someone?

05:16:26.540 I'm not going to fight him over here.

05:16:29.840 What the heck is that thing?

05:16:30.740 I was thinking at least you'd say Bronco or something older.

05:16:34.560 You laid that up off the glass so well.

05:16:37.580 Oh, my gosh.

05:16:38.500 Fucking just annihilated, owned, wrecked.

05:16:44.160 Get good, noob.

05:16:46.380 You still couldn't figure out the equivalent.

05:16:49.160 I can't think.

05:16:49.780 I don't know.

05:16:50.420 You're not a real woman.

05:16:51.880 That was a good one.

05:16:52.320 If you don't.

05:16:53.420 The cooking thing is serious.

05:16:54.960 I've been told that.

05:16:56.220 Oh, great.

05:16:57.920 I'd make my own bread.

05:16:58.960 I messed up laundry once.

05:17:00.580 That's terrible for you.

05:17:01.480 And that was it.

05:17:03.160 So, okay.

05:17:03.880 You were on a date with Guy.

05:17:05.220 He asked what that third pedal was.

05:17:07.900 And then you told him to get the fuck out of your car?

05:17:10.620 Yeah.

05:17:11.760 Really?

05:17:12.260 It was, yep.

05:17:13.180 I know we're joking around.

05:17:14.140 That seems a little much.

05:17:15.340 That's pretty cold.

05:17:17.180 Nope.

05:17:19.460 Matt, you know what?

05:17:20.620 I actually.

05:17:21.060 What if there's an emergency and this dude needs to, like, drive my vehicle or something?

05:17:24.620 God, most cars are automatic.

05:17:25.820 Who cares about your car?

05:17:27.120 Okay.

05:17:27.760 Leave it.

05:17:28.380 You know what?

05:17:28.860 There's an emergency.

05:17:29.560 Your foot comes off the clutch and the car stalls.

05:17:31.980 What are you talking about?

05:17:33.660 What if there's an emergency and, like, that's the only vehicle around?

05:17:37.040 He needs to go to, like, the hospital or something because someone lost an arm.

05:17:41.140 I don't know.

05:17:41.780 What if there's a zombie apocalypse?

05:17:43.220 Exactly.

05:17:43.660 What if there's a zombie apocalypse and it grabs your fucking little sternum piercing and you're dead, bro?

05:17:48.720 What fucking grabs your sternum piercing, you're trying, you're running, you're running, you're trying to escape.

05:17:53.740 It's a septum.

05:17:54.120 And then the zombie, sorry, septum piercing, sternum.

05:17:56.900 Whatever, close enough.

05:17:57.820 The zombie, you would have got away, you would have got away, but the zombie grabs your fucking septum piercing and then you're dead.

05:18:05.420 And you would be no use to your male partner in a zombie survival situation.

05:18:08.840 It's okay.

05:18:09.220 I don't know how to start a fire anyways.

05:18:11.060 It's all good.

05:18:12.160 But you know what?

05:18:13.460 I kind of, I'm kind of, I got to walk back my position a little bit here.

05:18:17.020 Because I expect when I go on, if, if I go on a first date with a girl and she doesn't hit me with a bow or a curtsy or a curtsy upon first meeting, I'm also going to dip.

05:18:31.600 I'm like, it was nice to meet you.

05:18:33.280 You did not know that you had to have this knowledge that I knew that I didn't disclose to you.

05:18:38.560 You didn't know how to bow.

05:18:39.420 I'm sorry, I didn't sit there and tell men they need to be men.

05:18:43.060 I can't believe you kicked a guy out of your Mazda.

05:18:47.040 He couldn't drive your fucking Mazda.

05:18:49.600 Get out of my Mazda, fucker.

05:18:52.000 I did, I did.

05:18:52.980 I said, get the fuck out, bitch.

05:18:54.160 I did say Mazda.

05:18:55.780 Is it like an older Mazda at least?

05:18:57.500 No.

05:18:57.900 It's ridiculous.

05:18:59.280 Nick, play the bow video.

05:19:00.500 If a girl doesn't do this shit, play this.

05:19:06.920 And you're going to let that woman die for you?

05:19:08.940 They're not even listening.

05:19:10.040 Pay attention.

05:19:11.040 Pay attention.

05:19:11.740 Women, pay attention.

05:19:13.260 Boom.

05:19:13.740 Boom.

05:19:14.520 Bow.

05:19:14.960 This is, this is what I need on a first date.

05:19:17.040 Okay, boys.

05:19:17.720 I get home from a long podcast session.

05:19:20.580 I get home to my penthouse apartment.

05:19:22.680 I got my girl there waiting for me, right?

05:19:24.880 Boom.

05:19:25.540 Dinner's fucking ready.

05:19:27.260 Attentive.

05:19:27.740 Oh, let me get you a cold beer.

05:19:31.360 There it is, folks.

05:19:32.660 Cold beer.

05:19:33.560 Boom.

05:19:34.580 She even opened it up for me.

05:19:36.080 Huge.

05:19:36.920 Stir my noodles.

05:19:38.100 Good.

05:19:39.000 Attentive.

05:19:39.900 Faster.

05:19:40.520 She's doing it faster.

05:19:41.580 She knows it's too slow.

05:19:43.020 Boom.

05:19:43.560 Look at the hands in the, the, the, the, the submissive hands in the palms.

05:19:48.440 Boom.

05:19:49.080 That's what, that's what it takes to.

05:19:50.840 Okay, but I have some questions.

05:19:52.320 Brian.

05:19:52.760 I have a question.

05:19:53.160 One more bow.

05:19:54.140 Let's see the bow.

05:19:54.920 Let's see the bow really quick.

05:19:55.660 Go ahead, Nick.

05:19:57.360 Boom.

05:19:58.220 Huge.

05:19:58.420 You would let that woman take a bullet.

05:20:00.640 If, if you didn't even tell her you wanted her to bow, she just bowed for you.

05:20:03.980 First time she saw you, you would let that woman die.

05:20:06.260 You would let her take a bullet for you.

05:20:08.520 Fuck yeah.

05:20:09.460 Why does she have a bowl of tomatoes there?

05:20:12.480 I don't understand why she has a bowl of tomatoes sitting there.

05:20:16.960 Why would you not have a bowl of tomatoes?

05:20:18.800 Andrew, you had the question.

05:20:19.900 Was that the question?

05:20:21.080 The tomato thing?

05:20:21.540 She might as well.

05:20:22.640 Okay.

05:20:23.160 So there's a lot of, I've seen this video a bunch of times now.

05:20:26.120 And now there's things in it now that bother me, which makes me think that the bow might

05:20:31.740 not be as authentic as we think the bow should be.

05:20:35.160 Because of tomatoes?

05:20:36.920 Yeah.

05:20:37.620 So first there's a bowl of tomato and they're not like little tiny salad tomatoes.

05:20:43.080 They're like big, big tomatoes in a bowl.

05:20:45.960 Just sit.

05:20:46.300 I don't get, why are there tomatoes there?

05:20:48.100 Like in a fruit bowl.

05:20:48.560 You don't eat like a whole tomato, you don't do, does your wife have a garden?

05:20:53.500 Do you like not go out to the garden, like eat a whole tomato?

05:20:56.020 That's like the best thing ever.

05:20:58.020 Oh, is it?

05:20:58.820 You just walk out and just grab the tomato off the plant and eat it?

05:21:01.820 Yes.

05:21:02.340 I, yes.

05:21:02.980 Is that your favorite?

05:21:04.320 Do you burn the rest of the crop because it wasn't masculine enough for you?

05:21:07.460 Yes, I do.

05:21:08.520 The hell with it all.

05:21:10.120 Well, they take the best from the crop and burn the rest.

05:21:12.900 And then I get my Mazda and I go, you know, like what, what are you talking about?

05:21:16.420 Go hang out with the bears.

05:21:17.580 If a woman isn't woman enough to die in childbirth for me, is she really a, wait, hold on.

05:21:25.000 That was a little extreme.

05:21:26.280 That's a little, hold on, that's a little crazy.

05:21:28.320 Well, the bowing was eccentric, but the rest of it was really.

05:21:31.900 Anybody been like watching House of the Dragon, you know what I mean?

05:21:34.040 I actually have been watching that.

05:21:35.720 It's pretty good.

05:21:36.720 The new season.

05:21:38.140 Wait, yeah, yeah, the new episode's tonight.

05:21:41.460 Oh, is it?

05:21:42.360 Yeah, new episode.

05:21:43.940 What's up?

05:21:44.240 Okay, wait, hold on.

05:21:45.900 There's more notes for you over here.

05:21:48.300 Oh, boy.

05:21:49.060 I've been on a lot of dates.

05:21:50.260 I've had even more terrible, like, interactions than I've had back years.

05:21:53.720 You do realize you're in the wrong, though.

05:21:55.900 I'm in the wrong?

05:21:56.380 Like, I know we're joking, but you're absolutely 100% in the wrong.

05:21:58.840 Why?

05:21:59.100 Because you don't know how to drive sick?

05:22:02.460 Because you're not man enough?

05:22:03.840 Owned.

05:22:05.440 That I got destroyed.

05:22:07.380 Oh, owned.

05:22:09.540 No, you actually are, like, you know, jokes aside, you're 100% in the wrong.

05:22:13.620 I mean, yeah, I'm a bitch.

05:22:15.380 Yeah.

05:22:17.100 True.

05:22:18.500 I'm not denying it.

05:22:20.100 At least she's self-aware.

05:22:21.320 It's a lot of people aren't.

05:22:25.540 Do you want to, I want you to look into that camera and apologize to that guy.

05:22:30.900 That was mean.

05:22:31.700 Apologize to the folks.

05:22:32.460 I will not apologize for your incompetence as a man.

05:22:35.280 Get your shit together.

05:22:37.560 Well, but it's not incompetence with a you.

05:22:40.920 It's an incompetence with an I.

05:22:42.640 Ulysses, the Pagan donated $200.

05:22:46.800 Once I return a lady's debit card, she had dropped.

05:22:50.520 When I approached her, she started freaking out and yelled for help.

05:22:54.380 I walked away and threw the card in the trash.

05:22:57.460 Feminism has women brainwashed.

05:22:59.560 Why didn't you use it to buy something?

05:23:02.080 Thank you, Pagan.

05:23:02.760 Appreciate it, bro.

05:23:03.560 Appreciate it.

05:23:05.440 Yeah, it's just not man enough to steal a woman's money.

05:23:08.980 I know.

05:23:10.000 He's just not being masculine enough.

05:23:11.940 He's going to pick up that car and he stole that bitch's money, right?

05:23:15.260 Exactly.

05:23:16.500 That's how you know the measure for real, man.

05:23:19.620 Now you're getting it, Mr. Wilson.

05:23:21.640 We're going to be friends.

05:23:22.640 I have a question for you.

05:23:25.200 If, if this guy was perfect, but he didn't know how to drive a stick, is it you wouldn't?

05:23:34.940 Yeah, nah.

05:23:36.880 Vehicles are like a thing for me.

05:23:39.420 You have to know how to drive a vehicle.

05:23:40.840 So, okay.

05:23:41.580 So, what if you could just, you could teach him, but he had everything else.

05:23:43.960 People in the DMV are like the worst drivers in the world.

05:23:46.180 That's so arbitrary.

05:23:46.600 So, it absolutely irks my nerve if you can't like drive a car properly or.

05:23:51.780 What does the DMV have to do with that?

05:23:53.300 I mean, she does live in the DMV.

05:23:55.500 That area is the worst.

05:23:58.040 Those are the worst ones I've ever seen ever.

05:24:00.200 So, you're saying, you're saying you want a masculine man, right?

05:24:03.740 Yes, that knows how to drive a vehicle.

05:24:05.200 But are you a feminine woman?

05:24:06.900 I am if he's masculine enough.

05:24:09.100 Bro, you, I'm going to, like, just your, look, I know you've been invited on a podcast where we have these adversarial things.

05:24:15.040 But, like, you're definitely pretty, in terms of your disposition, pretty masculine, blasting tattoos, backwards cap, septum piercing.

05:24:24.460 I mean, these are not, like, traditionally feminine traits.

05:24:28.660 Yeah.

05:24:29.100 But, like, okay, so, basically a guy has.

05:24:33.580 What does that mean if he's masculine enough?

05:24:35.200 What do you do?

05:24:36.260 What do you do if he's masculine enough?

05:24:37.700 Are you putting on a sundress and curtsy?

05:24:39.360 Like, what do you do if he's masculine enough?

05:24:41.180 What does that mean?

05:24:41.480 No, I don't curtsy.

05:24:42.480 I don't bow.

05:24:43.380 I know.

05:24:43.580 You still cuss.

05:24:44.560 I do.

05:24:45.200 You still drink to your.

05:24:46.140 Okay, so, okay.

05:24:47.180 Let me tell you.

05:24:48.300 I was literally raised around sailors and marines my whole entire life.

05:24:52.360 And they kind of, like, taught me a lot, which I should not know how to do.

05:24:57.640 And that's probably why I'm masculine enough.

05:24:59.920 What did they teach you how to do that you shouldn't know how to do?

05:25:02.580 How to be a man.

05:25:03.340 They just bro-ed you out, maybe.

05:25:04.780 What did they teach you how to do?

05:25:05.620 They definitely taught me how to smoke cigars and drink whiskey at the age of, like, 18.

05:25:08.980 Sick.

05:25:09.500 That's normal.

05:25:10.220 That's, they taught you how to do that?

05:25:12.200 Yep.

05:25:12.940 They sat me down and they were like, this is how you do this.

05:25:15.040 I thought you were going to tell us some badass special forces stuff.

05:25:17.480 They taught you how to disassemble an M16 while you were blindfolded.

05:25:20.980 I mean.

05:25:21.440 You know, some shit like that, right?

05:25:22.740 I do know how to take a part of it.

05:25:23.960 They taught you how to use Marine Corps Jiu-Jitsu to break all their legs.

05:25:27.660 Jiu-Jitsu is a cult.

05:25:28.980 It's weird as shit.

05:25:30.620 Did you say Jiu-Jitsu is a cult?

05:25:32.600 Yeah, it is.

05:25:33.360 Oh my.

05:25:33.580 Have you met Jiu-Jitsu people?

05:25:34.700 They're weird.

05:25:35.780 I was going to put my kid in Jiu-Jitsu.

05:25:37.180 Oh, don't do that.

05:25:38.800 Do, like, MMA or, like, karate or something.

05:25:41.580 Or boxing.

05:25:42.840 Much better.

05:25:43.440 Box people that do boxing are in a cult.

05:25:45.300 So, I mean, honestly.

05:25:46.320 Like, honest question.

05:25:47.060 What did they teach you?

05:25:47.920 You said they taught you a bunch of stuff you shouldn't know.

05:25:50.140 What did they teach you?

05:25:50.740 Jiu-Jitsu.

05:25:51.080 They taught me how to take apart guns and all sorts of things.

05:25:54.060 What kind of guns?

05:25:55.540 I have a P365 Sig.

05:25:58.820 A CZ Scorpion.

05:26:01.520 All the fun ones they are.

05:26:01.820 So, how do you take apart your P365 Sig?

05:26:07.080 Google it.

05:26:07.600 He wants you to, like, go through the process.

05:26:10.000 Google it.

05:26:10.520 What do you mean?

05:26:11.060 It's a simple process.

05:26:12.220 What do you mean the whole process?

05:26:13.500 I don't know the process.

05:26:14.320 Taking apart a gun is not a simple process.

05:26:16.980 There's a lot of pieces.

05:26:17.440 It's a super simple process.

05:26:19.200 Okay, so what you do is you, like, take the thing apart and then you're done.

05:26:22.580 I'll grab it.

05:26:23.000 I'll take it apart for you right now.

05:26:24.480 Go ahead.

05:26:24.800 Name one.

05:26:25.660 Whatever you want.

05:26:26.880 Whatever you want.

05:26:27.700 I'll go grab it right now.

05:26:28.940 I'll take it.

05:26:29.220 No, I can't because we're on YouTube.

05:26:30.680 But the thing is, I'll just tell you the process.

05:26:33.660 Whatever you want.

05:26:34.240 Go ahead.

05:26:35.060 No, I'm good.

05:26:35.880 But, no, I mean, that's.

05:26:37.460 No, no, no, no.

05:26:38.280 No, really.

05:26:39.240 Then tell me how you take it apart.

05:26:41.100 They taught you how to do it, right?

05:26:43.380 Why do you?

05:26:44.400 Oh, my goodness.

05:26:45.760 You just don't want to, like, just be like, ah, I was wrong.

05:26:49.000 You can't.

05:26:49.480 I was wrong.

05:26:50.260 You can't just be like, ah, I'm wrong.

05:26:51.600 I'm wrong.

05:26:55.160 Because you don't know.

05:26:56.680 I do.

05:26:57.320 So you can't actually, on your own, take apart a sick, can you?

05:27:02.020 Yes, I can.

05:27:02.800 I have one.

05:27:03.300 Okay, well, then tell me how you do it.

05:27:08.400 Take it apart.

05:27:09.300 You Google it.

05:27:10.000 You put a YouTube video on and you follow the stuff.

05:27:11.520 You Google it.

05:27:12.500 That's what you do.

05:27:13.400 Oh, great.

05:27:13.860 Perfect.

05:27:14.380 Yeah.

05:27:14.700 Okay, got it.

05:27:16.200 How do you change the oil in your car?

05:27:18.060 What you do is you take the plug out and then you put oil in.

05:27:23.240 See?

05:27:23.680 Oh, wait a second.

05:27:24.460 Yeah.

05:27:24.840 I will accept that for whatever the sick is.

05:27:28.500 Whatever the, that similar explanation to taking down the sick, I will accept something

05:27:33.100 similar.

05:27:33.300 You take off the other part and then you take off the third part.

05:27:37.040 You take off the part and then you take off the other part and then you take off the

05:27:40.380 third part.

05:27:40.940 Yeah.

05:27:41.520 It's like when you unplug the thing and then you just put oil in.

05:27:45.400 Brilliant stuff.

05:27:46.400 Yeah.

05:27:47.100 It's great.

05:27:47.840 It's a feeling oil.

05:27:48.880 It's a super good thing.

05:27:50.040 I take it to the man at the place and the man at the place does that.

05:27:53.620 Yeah.

05:27:54.200 That works.

05:27:56.160 Oh, yeah.

05:27:56.800 You have to drain it.

05:27:57.460 But, okay, so, I mean, how do you reconcile, how do you reconcile wanting a super traditional

05:28:03.400 dude, but you're not really bringing, like, a corresponding degree of femininity?

05:28:09.160 Are you just strictly talking about looks?

05:28:11.000 Because every single man I've ever had has been very well taken care of.

05:28:14.520 I have taken care of his house.

05:28:15.640 I have fed him.

05:28:16.580 I have done pretty much whatever he's asked.

05:28:19.400 Take apart his guns for him?

05:28:21.140 Yeah.

05:28:21.500 Like, along the lines of, like, domestication things.

05:28:27.060 I want to ask the chat.

05:28:28.080 I want to ask the chat.

05:28:28.980 So, you have a choice between a woman who has, like, sort of a pleasant feminine disposition

05:28:35.260 and personality, but she doesn't do some of these household chores, or a woman who has

05:28:42.700 a masculine personality and disposition, but she does the sort of domestic duties.

05:28:48.840 Which would you prefer, men?

05:28:51.500 Which do you prefer?

05:28:53.000 And this is a question for the chat.

05:28:56.080 I am curious.

05:28:57.240 We're a little bossy.

05:28:58.420 There's a little delay.

05:28:59.840 I don't know.

05:29:04.600 Oh, that's so bad.

05:29:05.600 I can't read it.

05:29:05.880 I can't read that far.

05:29:07.280 Feminine.

05:29:07.960 Feminine.

05:29:08.760 Feminine.

05:29:09.300 Pleasant and feminine.

05:29:11.260 Feminine.

05:29:12.920 Because I could just hire somebody to, like, clean the household.

05:29:19.740 And I could just door dash all my food to me.

05:29:22.460 That's so unhealthy.

05:29:24.560 You eat a home-cooked meal.

05:29:26.460 Yeah, but at what cost?

05:29:28.060 You're not a processed shit and all that food.

05:29:29.380 It's not good for you.

05:29:31.820 Okay.

05:29:32.500 Churn your own butter.

05:29:34.760 All right.

05:29:35.400 Anyways.

05:29:35.760 You also said that there was this guy you went on two dates with, and I told him I didn't

05:29:39.820 see things working out, but he was fully convinced he was in love with me.

05:29:43.680 Yeah.

05:29:44.220 Literally told you so.

05:29:45.860 Yeah.

05:29:46.200 He followed you around for about five to six months.

05:29:48.560 Yeah.

05:29:48.660 Afterwards, yikes.

05:29:49.660 Also, leaving you voicemails and texts until you, in parentheses, no, wait.

05:29:57.140 Allegedly.

05:29:58.640 Brackets.

05:29:59.180 Excuse me.

05:29:59.900 Until I, brackets, allegedly threatened him.

05:30:02.640 Yeah.

05:30:03.280 How did you allegedly, in a video game, threaten him?

05:30:06.860 How did you, in a video game, how did you do it?

05:30:08.580 In a video game?

05:30:09.740 Sorry.

05:30:10.160 I fucking cringe streamer lingo.

05:30:13.200 How did you threaten him?

05:30:14.940 Well, if I were going to Thutton, anybody, I would probably, allegedly.

05:30:19.080 Allegedly.

05:30:19.480 If I were to have done this, probably tell him if I saw him again, I'd cut his kneecaps

05:30:24.000 out and wear them around my neck, like a necklace.

05:30:26.980 I haven't seen him since, so it worked.

05:30:29.180 Allegedly.

05:30:34.040 So feminine.

05:30:36.620 Granted, this guy.

05:30:37.500 He was fucking stalking me.

05:30:39.320 He was so loud.

05:30:42.800 I just want to talk about feelings.

05:30:44.820 Bitch, I don't got feelings.

05:30:45.680 I don't give a shit about my own.

05:30:46.560 What makes you think I'm going to care about yours?

05:30:48.700 That just sounds like a cry for help, friend.

05:30:51.040 I don't care.

05:30:52.000 Have you ever pegged a guy?

05:30:53.160 Ew, no.

05:30:53.960 I just get that vibe from you.

05:30:55.500 I get that feeling like you pegged dudes.

05:30:59.220 Like, I get that vibe from you, you know?

05:31:01.780 Like, I just feel like, have you bent a dude over and just pegged him?

05:31:05.240 That's, I can't say the word.

05:31:07.160 No, that's disgusting.

05:31:07.860 Mason, did you get that vibe too, bro?

05:31:09.340 Oh my gosh, I'm not going to.

05:31:10.400 That's disgusting.

05:31:12.640 I would never be with a man who's into that.

05:31:15.020 Gross.

05:31:15.420 No, why would you place good Mason in the middle of this?

05:31:21.080 Yeah.

05:31:21.400 He's already Subaru Alchemist.

05:31:23.620 Subaru.

05:31:24.020 I don't know where he's going.

05:31:25.080 I got an intuition.

05:31:26.640 He's like a newborn baby.

05:31:28.540 He's pure.

05:31:29.260 Look, I got this intuition.

05:31:31.320 Like, I get a vibe.

05:31:32.860 I got this vibe from you.

05:31:35.920 Like, you could.

05:31:37.100 Like, I bet you would.

05:31:38.840 I don't know if you've ever seen Clerks.

05:31:40.600 I don't know.

05:31:40.840 Like, I bet there's some dudes out there that are questioning their sexuality.

05:31:45.600 And they, like, want.

05:31:46.780 Did you say Clerks?

05:31:47.940 You know that movie?

05:31:48.400 Yeah, the movie.

05:31:48.920 Yeah, it's a good movie.

05:31:49.480 What's that called?

05:31:49.960 I thought you meant, like, cashiers.

05:31:51.640 Like, Jay.

05:31:52.480 Jay and Silent Bob.

05:31:53.660 Jay.

05:31:54.020 Jay and Silent Bob.

05:31:54.840 Like, you could definitely, like, fulfill a guy's Jay fantasy.

05:31:59.060 No.

05:32:00.380 No.

05:32:00.880 Okay, okay.

05:32:01.620 I'm just saying.

05:32:02.360 I don't want to be more masculine than my man.

05:32:04.540 The reason I'm masculine is because the man around.

05:32:07.720 All these bitch boys out there.

05:32:08.320 What if they don't.

05:32:09.040 They're not taking care of their shit.

05:32:11.540 So then all of us women have to step up into the man roles.

05:32:14.760 They don't know how to drive.

05:32:15.920 They don't have to get done.

05:32:16.340 They don't know how to drive a fucking stick ship, Brian.

05:32:18.680 They can't even wipe their own ass.

05:32:20.520 Most of them still.

05:32:21.440 30-year-old men who still live with their moms and dads.

05:32:24.680 Talking about wanting to start families.

05:32:26.100 Like, bitch, you can't even take care of yourself.

05:32:27.820 I do feel like, though, once you.

05:32:29.740 I'm not shaming you for this at all.

05:32:31.640 Because I know sometimes you just have to do it.

05:32:34.160 Is once you, I feel like, try to take on the man role.

05:32:38.020 Regardless of the reasoning behind it.

05:32:41.080 It's harder.

05:32:42.320 I feel like, in my opinion.

05:32:44.080 To accept men after that.

05:32:46.660 For who they are.

05:32:47.520 Whether, like, you want to say they're, oh, they're not masculine enough.

05:32:50.280 They're not masculine enough.

05:32:51.700 Or whatever it might be.

05:32:52.560 I feel like once you put yourself in a man's role.

05:32:56.700 It's harder to find men that you appreciate.

05:32:59.800 If that makes sense.

05:33:01.000 Because they're not doing their job?

05:33:02.620 Well, no.

05:33:02.960 Because I feel like you, since you put yourself in that role.

05:33:05.500 You're kind of taking on that position that there.

05:33:07.820 A man would be taking on.

05:33:09.400 And therefore, you think.

05:33:11.440 And I will say.

05:33:11.980 I feel like women have a tendency of thinking they're better at things.

05:33:16.500 I don't think I'm.

05:33:17.440 I don't think I'm better at things.

05:33:19.320 There are a lot of things that men are better at.

05:33:20.500 So, I feel like you almost demasculate.

05:33:22.640 I don't know if that's the correct verbiage there.

05:33:26.480 But you make men less masculine when you're almost competing with them.

05:33:32.280 But that's why.

05:33:33.160 I want somebody who's more masculine than me.

05:33:35.640 Well, then you need to be more feminine.

05:33:37.240 Because I was.

05:33:38.680 I was around.

05:33:40.700 You say you were around men.

05:33:43.000 And society.

05:33:44.180 She was around masculine men.

05:33:46.700 She was around masculine men.

05:33:48.040 I was going to say.

05:33:48.840 And I was around.

05:33:49.680 And I've been around that for a very, very long time.

05:33:52.620 I continue to put myself around those type of men.

05:33:55.660 And I am very feminine.

05:33:57.280 Very, very feminine.

05:33:59.240 But my point is.

05:33:59.980 I shouldn't have to sit there.

05:34:02.380 Deal with a guy who doesn't know how to drive to stay.

05:34:04.060 Yes.

05:34:04.540 But I mean.

05:34:05.120 But I mean.

05:34:06.500 And you know.

05:34:07.220 And even.

05:34:07.440 I don't think I understand how much that stresses me out.

05:34:09.400 But I mean.

05:34:09.780 Even when you guys ask the question.

05:34:11.260 Would you be with somebody.

05:34:12.920 That.

05:34:13.180 Do you want a man to take a bullet for you.

05:34:14.700 Like.

05:34:14.920 Where I come from.

05:34:16.980 And the men that I've been around.

05:34:18.900 Like.

05:34:19.040 To me.

05:34:19.480 That's not a question.

05:34:20.820 Wait.

05:34:21.000 I.

05:34:21.640 I have something on this.

05:34:23.600 For Mason.

05:34:24.340 Oh boy.

05:34:24.700 Oh sorry.

05:34:25.200 I mean.

05:34:25.500 Did you want.

05:34:25.940 I didn't mean to cut you off.

05:34:26.660 No.

05:34:27.100 No.

05:34:27.120 You're told.

05:34:27.500 But I'm saying like.

05:34:28.520 So when you say like.

05:34:29.620 I don't want to be more mad.

05:34:30.780 I'm going to tell you right now.

05:34:31.800 There's a lot of freaking things that I can do myself.

05:34:34.180 Yeah.

05:34:34.480 But the second.

05:34:36.080 A man.

05:34:36.900 That I'm dating.

05:34:37.780 Or around.

05:34:38.480 I'm going to be like.

05:34:40.220 I don't know.

05:34:41.300 Because they like that.

05:34:42.540 Yeah.

05:34:42.620 So.

05:34:43.140 You are taking that from men.

05:34:45.120 Yeah.

05:34:45.420 The ability to do that.

05:34:46.200 They need to man up and take it back.

05:34:48.060 Because when they're like.

05:34:49.080 Why?

05:34:49.140 Because when a man sits there and says.

05:34:50.600 I don't need to change my oil.

05:34:51.580 I can just take it to the mechanic.

05:34:52.880 Yeah.

05:34:53.000 Bitch.

05:34:53.160 I can do that too.

05:34:54.540 Like.

05:34:54.760 Well.

05:34:55.000 I mean.

05:34:55.420 But why do you want to.

05:34:57.800 I mean.

05:34:58.420 I don't want to get into an argument with you.

05:35:00.140 At all.

05:35:01.100 But it's like.

05:35:01.920 If you want a man.

05:35:03.800 Whether he does it himself.

05:35:05.280 Or takes it to a shop.

05:35:06.220 He got it the fuck done.

05:35:07.500 So who cares what he did with it.

05:35:09.280 At least he's like.

05:35:10.080 Here's your car.

05:35:10.920 The point is.

05:35:11.440 There it is.

05:35:11.840 He needs to know how to do these things.

05:35:13.260 Because when I see that.

05:35:14.000 I look at that.

05:35:14.560 And I'm like.

05:35:15.200 That.

05:35:16.000 I want.

05:35:16.620 I want my man to be able to teach my children.

05:35:19.040 How to change oil.

05:35:20.380 I don't think you.

05:35:21.520 That's crazy something.

05:35:22.820 How to build shit.

05:35:23.620 I don't think it's a man debate.

05:35:25.540 Honestly.

05:35:26.040 For you.

05:35:26.700 I feel like it's more almost of like.

05:35:28.220 A survivalist.

05:35:29.240 I think you want a survivalist.

05:35:31.000 Is what you want.

05:35:31.900 I don't know.

05:35:31.960 I've been around some of the most masculine men.

05:35:34.080 You could ever possibly think of.

05:35:35.080 I want a man who can make his own moccasins.

05:35:37.100 Yeah.

05:35:39.260 What the fuck.

05:35:40.200 Like bro.

05:35:40.680 You realize that like.

05:35:42.040 As society has advanced.

05:35:43.980 We've gotten more and more specialized.

05:35:46.820 So like.

05:35:47.500 Back in the day.

05:35:48.260 You wanted a dude who could like.

05:35:49.520 Do X, Y, Z.

05:35:50.920 But like.

05:35:51.340 Now we're so specialized.

05:35:52.600 I can just.

05:35:53.700 Instead of knowing how to do.

05:35:55.440 A hundred different things.

05:35:56.860 I can just be an expert in one.

05:35:58.820 And then I get paid money.

05:36:00.400 And then I could pay somebody else.

05:36:01.700 Who's an expert in that thing.

05:36:03.280 To do it for me.

05:36:03.960 You have to be a well-rounded human being.

05:36:05.100 But not just because he.

05:36:06.320 Yo.

05:36:06.360 Mason.

05:36:06.660 I got a question for you.

05:36:07.760 She's perfect.

05:36:08.900 Great personality.

05:36:10.320 She's.

05:36:10.660 She matches your values.

05:36:12.200 Christian woman.

05:36:13.440 Beautiful.

05:36:14.700 Are you a boob or a buck guy?

05:36:17.660 She's got.

05:36:18.380 She's stacked bro.

05:36:19.180 She's just fucking stacked.

05:36:20.780 She's a fucking cutie.

05:36:22.160 She's a cutie.

05:36:23.540 You like a girl who lifts a little bit.

05:36:25.060 Of course.

05:36:25.640 Yeah.

05:36:25.900 All right.

05:36:26.160 She squats.

05:36:27.900 Four.

05:36:29.060 Damn.

05:36:29.340 Wow.

05:36:29.640 Damn.

05:36:30.220 Damn.

05:36:31.140 What?

05:36:31.700 Dang.

05:36:34.180 Mason.

05:36:34.980 She's a virgin.

05:36:36.920 She's a virgin.

05:36:37.860 You're a perfect girl.

05:36:39.160 Nice.

05:36:39.860 But she doesn't churn butter.

05:36:42.580 That's a deal breaker.

05:36:43.680 That's a deal breaker.

05:36:44.040 That is a deal breaker.

05:36:45.860 Fresh butter tastes so much better.

05:36:48.100 Bro.

05:36:48.160 This shit about.

05:36:49.120 Oh.

05:36:49.340 He's got to know how to drive stick.

05:36:50.800 That's the same level.

05:36:51.900 He's got to know how to drive stick.

05:36:52.660 He has to know how to build shit.

05:36:54.360 He has to know how to fix car.

05:36:55.940 He's got.

05:36:56.200 And then it also.

05:36:56.880 He's got to know how to build.

05:36:58.580 He's got to know how to construct.

05:37:00.940 An outrigger canoe.

05:37:02.680 He needs to be.

05:37:03.300 Yeah.

05:37:03.600 Have an expertise in the woodmanship.

05:37:05.520 Yes.

05:37:05.700 He needs to basically be a carpenter.

05:37:08.000 And be a mechanic.

05:37:09.020 And now you are understanding.

05:37:10.280 He needs to be a shoesmith.

05:37:12.120 He's got to be a shoesmith.

05:37:13.200 Also a blacksmith.

05:37:14.060 Someone has to fix my shoes and make me swords.

05:37:17.200 Do you need a guy to smelt?

05:37:18.980 Do you need a guy to know how to smelt?

05:37:20.420 Sure.

05:37:20.760 Why not?

05:37:21.020 You need a smelter.

05:37:21.940 I don't have a fucking clue.

05:37:23.160 That is a smelter, bro.

05:37:24.840 I'm adding it to the list.

05:37:26.280 That's crazy.

05:37:27.000 She needs smelting.

05:37:28.300 Really?

05:37:29.040 Just iron?

05:37:29.820 Or can he.

05:37:30.620 Like what kind of other materials?

05:37:32.620 I don't fucking know what that even is.

05:37:34.240 But sure.

05:37:34.800 He can do that.

05:37:35.520 Well, there's different kinds of metals.

05:37:37.100 You know, there's smelting iron.

05:37:39.360 He does it all.

05:37:40.220 There's steel?

05:37:41.100 Is he steel?

05:37:41.600 My man is talented.

05:37:43.600 Is he steel?

05:37:44.160 What about copper?

05:37:44.320 Are you mad because my man is talented and you can't drive a stick shift?

05:37:48.060 Brian, Brian, stop.

05:37:49.920 Leave her stick shift using smelting farrier gunsmith ninjutsu master future husband alone,

05:37:58.260 Brian.

05:37:58.780 I'm sorry.

05:37:59.640 I'm sorry.

05:38:00.040 I'm sorry.

05:38:00.480 I'm just saying like being around many masculine men.

05:38:03.720 She just has standards, Brian.

05:38:05.380 You don't know anything about me.

05:38:06.700 You got to know how to drive a fucking Mazda, Brian.

05:38:09.460 I am being a misogynist.

05:38:10.780 You got to know how to drive a Mazda.

05:38:12.320 This is unacceptable.

05:38:13.820 Unacceptable.

05:38:14.260 Why do I have to sit there and fix my own car and build my own bookcase?

05:38:16.840 But he doesn't necessarily have to know how to fix it.

05:38:18.840 At least he can be like, hey, babe, here's my car.

05:38:20.880 It's making this funny noise.

05:38:21.880 When you build your own bookcases, do you just follow the instructions?

05:38:25.460 Oh, wow.

05:38:25.840 You can follow the instructions.

05:38:26.680 Then YouTube it.

05:38:27.480 Is that what you do?

05:38:28.220 Do you just follow the instructions that came in the box from Costco?

05:38:32.180 Okay, so the-

05:38:32.740 You just follow the Costco instructions?

05:38:34.560 Tell us what the problem.

05:38:34.800 Is that what you do to build your bookcase?

05:38:36.820 You sit there and you ask a man, hey, can you put this shelf up?

05:38:39.460 And he says, I don't know how to do that.

05:38:41.380 So you YouTube it and you do it yourself.

05:38:43.180 And then this man comes up and says, I don't like it when you do things like that.

05:38:45.540 It doesn't make me feel like I'm the man of the house.

05:38:47.260 This never happened.

05:38:48.340 That happened.

05:38:48.980 This is an invention of a man.

05:38:50.220 That literally happened.

05:38:52.640 It's in your mind, bro.

05:38:53.720 No, that literally happened.

05:38:55.200 Let me ask you a question.

05:38:55.900 Wait, let me ask you a question.

05:38:57.180 Okay, you could date it.

05:38:58.360 Let's say you encounter a super wealthy guy who instead of him having learned all these things,

05:39:06.940 he can just outsource all of that shit to somebody else.

05:39:11.180 Yeah, that's nice and all.

05:39:12.140 But I want someone, is he going to be able to teach my future children how to do all these things?

05:39:17.600 Is he going to teach my boys how to become in, how to do things, how to be self-sufficient?

05:39:19.540 Well, you know, he could send them to a place we call school.

05:39:22.300 And then at these weird, strange 21st century inventions called schools,

05:39:29.100 they could teach them how to do all of that stuff.

05:39:31.600 All he needs is money, right?

05:39:33.040 It's called homeschooling.

05:39:34.240 Well, if you're homeschooling, how come you can't teach your child those things?

05:39:38.500 That's my point.

05:39:39.280 I want my man to be able to teach.

05:39:40.600 A woman can't be able to teach.

05:39:42.100 She's saying you do it, right?

05:39:43.820 She's fucking stacked.

05:39:45.460 Tell me.

05:39:45.920 She's stacked.

05:39:46.700 She's perfect.

05:39:47.680 Yes.

05:39:48.220 Everything, bro.

05:39:48.880 Got it.

05:39:49.420 Everything.

05:39:50.000 Virgin, Christian, stacked.

05:39:51.980 Yes.

05:39:52.260 He doesn't need to teach them shit.

05:39:54.120 All he needs to do is teach them how to Google.

05:39:55.820 Blond chicks.

05:39:56.320 Right?

05:39:56.920 As long as they can't go to Google, they can build their own fucking show.

05:40:00.020 But.

05:40:00.720 But.

05:40:01.440 Okay.

05:40:01.980 She doesn't know how to knit, bro.

05:40:03.740 Oh, damn.

05:40:04.320 I have had.

05:40:04.800 You really should learn how to knit.

05:40:06.020 She doesn't know how to knit, son.

05:40:07.420 She can't make me a dog shit sweater during Christmas.

05:40:10.380 Fuck.

05:40:10.980 Damn it.

05:40:11.680 It's over, bro.

05:40:12.960 It's fucking over, bro.

05:40:14.340 It's a no go.

05:40:15.160 If she don't know how to knit, she can't get the dick.

05:40:18.500 That's.

05:40:19.080 Oh.

05:40:20.000 Okay.

05:40:20.640 No knit, no dick.

05:40:21.180 What do you mean she can't sew right after she made a five course meal?

05:40:25.800 What kind of women are you looking for, Brian?

05:40:27.360 Exactly.

05:40:27.660 It's ridiculous.

05:40:28.540 I went on a date with this chick and she didn't show up with a fucking beanie.

05:40:33.560 Or mittens.

05:40:35.160 Or mittens.

05:40:36.000 She didn't show up with some mittens.

05:40:37.700 Okay.

05:40:37.920 But tell me this isn't.

05:40:38.760 No mittens.

05:40:39.480 No kittens.

05:40:39.720 Hold on.

05:40:39.740 I do believe that women should know how to cook and women should know how to garden.

05:40:42.700 She didn't even have a sewing kit in her purse.

05:40:44.820 I told that bitch, get.

05:40:45.900 Dude, take a walk.

05:40:47.380 Just get out of here.

05:40:48.520 Women should know that.

05:40:49.760 Sewing kit in their purse.

05:40:52.940 I have, in that type of like, whatever you're talking about, I have had somebody actually,

05:41:01.220 like a way older man, I asked him to help me build my cabinet thing, whatever.

05:41:08.540 He worked on it for hours and he did it wrong.

05:41:13.760 I had to undo it and fix it.

05:41:15.900 Wait, did you smash like midway through?

05:41:17.440 Hell no.

05:41:18.480 Oh, damn.

05:41:19.200 Okay.

05:41:19.340 I thought you were like going to say.

05:41:20.680 It's off-putting though.

05:41:21.160 When you like see them and they're like not capable of doing something.

05:41:23.980 And then I'm like, no, there's something wrong and I ended up fixing it.

05:41:27.600 That's good.

05:41:28.060 That was smart.

05:41:28.620 That's why ladies, if you're having a guy over doing some like household projects,

05:41:33.220 make sure he only gets to hit after he completes the job fully.

05:41:36.920 Like he can't hit midway through.

05:41:38.520 Don't give him that like midway through hit.

05:41:40.360 No, no, no.

05:41:41.760 It's got to be a hit.

05:41:42.240 He wasn't going to get in it anyway.

05:41:43.580 Last thing I got to move on.

05:41:44.960 That sucks.

05:41:45.200 Wait, so for you, you said that men, plural, have gone mad at you because you don't drink

05:41:50.600 alcohol on dates.

05:41:51.580 Yes.

05:41:52.040 I explained to one dude how time and relationship to travel worked.

05:41:55.080 He thought it took two hours to fly from the DMV to Mexico, the country.

05:42:00.620 What?

05:42:00.980 He was literally like, it only takes two hours to fly from here to Mexico.

05:42:08.680 And I was like, no, it doesn't.

05:42:11.040 He was like, well, if you leave at five and you land at seven, that's only two hours.

05:42:14.020 And I was like, how long does it take to get back?

05:42:17.460 Oh, a really long time.

05:42:18.800 Wait, you were in the military?

05:42:20.940 I'm totally switching.

05:42:21.840 You said you've been proposed to a few times on first dates.

05:42:24.200 No, those are like barracks, bros.

05:42:25.720 Like they want to get out of the barracks.

05:42:27.320 So they'll like propose to you on the first date.

05:42:29.400 Like what?

05:42:29.920 I see.

05:42:32.540 Yeah.

05:42:32.800 That's cool.

05:42:33.220 Oh, so that they can get a house?

05:42:34.620 Yeah.

05:42:34.820 So they can get housing.

05:42:36.040 That's great.

05:42:36.880 Okay.

05:42:37.260 We have Stifler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.

05:42:40.800 Can't pick seven, starting with our friend Kylie.

05:42:42.760 Go ahead.

05:42:43.180 Nine.

05:42:44.800 Eight.

05:42:46.300 I'll actually be nice to myself today at seven.

05:42:49.900 You can't pick seven.

05:42:51.500 Oh, yeah.

05:42:53.040 Good catch.

05:42:53.860 You're so aggressive.

05:42:55.020 Well done.

05:42:56.280 Damn, that was.

05:42:57.400 A five.

05:42:58.020 Wait, hold on.

05:42:58.840 Say that one more time with the same energy.

05:43:01.340 You can't pick seven.

05:43:04.120 We know how to be friends.

05:43:07.420 Did I really come off that aggressive?

05:43:09.620 Wait, you said.

05:43:10.880 Wait.

05:43:11.120 I was saying I was being nice to myself.

05:43:12.980 I said a five.

05:43:14.560 Oh, okay.

05:43:15.560 Come on.

05:43:16.440 I mean, okay, me, ten.

05:43:20.540 Okay.

05:43:21.380 I'm going to go 4.5.

05:43:22.300 Oh, into the mic.

05:43:23.280 Oh, shit.

05:43:23.940 Like 4.5.

05:43:24.920 Excuse me.

05:43:25.840 5.5.

05:43:29.060 3.1415.

05:43:31.580 Jesus.

05:43:32.380 I'm not conceited or cocky, I swear.

05:43:34.260 Don't make me drop the R slur again.

05:43:36.100 Stop being a...

05:43:36.720 Yes, I am, Brian.

05:43:38.360 I am.

05:43:38.680 How about you just answer that?

05:43:39.460 Okay.

05:43:39.860 Ha ha.

05:43:40.400 It's pie.

05:43:41.260 Six.

05:43:41.420 Why don't you just answer the question?

05:43:43.020 Okay.

05:43:43.300 Thank you.

05:43:43.520 Thank you, Brian.

05:43:44.120 I honestly don't even know if that was pie.

05:43:45.680 I just...

05:43:45.940 Yes.

05:43:46.160 Oh, okay.

05:43:47.780 If anything, it starts with 3.14.

05:43:50.500 Five.

05:43:51.060 I'm a five.

05:43:52.000 Andrew?

05:43:54.640 You know, I'm a 25.

05:43:56.360 I'm a 25.

05:43:57.180 I just, like, I knock it out of the park.

05:43:59.540 If that chick over there is a 10, then I'm a 20.

05:44:02.780 Hey, I'll take that.

05:44:04.340 I'll take that.

05:44:05.140 Boom, roasted.

05:44:06.600 Mr. Wilson's deputy points us in the room.

05:44:08.820 Wait, so 9 and 10.

05:44:10.260 Yeah.

05:44:10.760 Okay, you guys get my attention for a couple minutes.

05:44:14.160 So, wait, did I even pull it up?

05:44:16.300 Did I pull it up?

05:44:17.080 Yeah, you did.

05:44:17.180 Oh, okay.

05:44:17.820 Just a heads up.

05:44:18.640 Oh, okay.

05:44:18.980 Brian, we do have to go soon.

05:44:21.940 10 minutes?

05:44:22.780 You guys got another 10?

05:44:23.360 10 minutes.

05:44:24.100 Okay.

05:44:24.920 10.

05:44:25.400 Okay.

05:44:25.940 Of course.

05:44:26.500 That's fine.

05:44:27.240 They pre-cleared it with me before the show, so it's all good.

05:44:30.480 All right.

05:44:31.280 So, 10?

05:44:34.320 Yeah.

05:44:34.720 Because we fly black super early.

05:44:35.800 And then 9?

05:44:37.620 We fly black.

05:44:37.940 I'm stealing a page from Andrew Wilson.

05:44:41.940 Thievery.

05:44:42.740 Okay.

05:44:43.440 So, you consider yourself, then, the most attractive woman at the table?

05:44:49.140 I mean, not just, like, looks-wise, I guess I would say.

05:44:52.620 But, yeah.

05:44:53.560 Sure.

05:44:54.780 Yes.

05:44:55.100 I'm confident in myself.

05:44:56.520 I like myself.

05:44:57.300 Yeah, yeah.

05:44:57.460 Just based on looks.

05:44:59.000 Yeah.

05:44:59.340 You're the prettiest girl in the room.

05:45:00.860 So, you're the prettiest girl in the room.

05:45:01.900 I will say, based on looks, I'd pick her for my smash.

05:45:04.300 I don't think they gave themselves enough credit.

05:45:05.920 Wait, what?

05:45:06.500 Hold on.

05:45:06.900 Say that again.

05:45:07.820 I said, based off looks, I'd pick her for my smash.

05:45:10.280 You'd have sexual intercourse with her?

05:45:12.360 Well, I mean, if I was a man.

05:45:13.680 Some sewer.

05:45:14.180 If I was a man, yes.

05:45:15.000 You'd have carnal knowledge in a video game.

05:45:17.820 Wait.

05:45:19.040 Wait.

05:45:19.420 Are you bi?

05:45:20.400 No.

05:45:20.920 That's what I said.

05:45:21.340 If I was a man.

05:45:22.500 Is it because of the tats?

05:45:24.680 No.

05:45:25.020 I am biased, I guess, a little bit with that.

05:45:28.420 I know you guys are not fond of them.

05:45:31.040 I am attracted to tattoos, but I just think she has nice features.

05:45:35.260 I like her face.

05:45:36.500 Thanks.

05:45:37.860 Is she prettier than you?

05:45:39.340 I think she's prettier than me.

05:45:40.600 Yeah.

05:45:40.800 I think you're pretty.

05:45:41.640 Is she the prettiest girl in the room?

05:45:43.300 To me, personally?

05:45:44.440 Yeah.

05:45:44.720 I think she is.

05:45:45.460 Thank you.

05:45:45.960 Okay.

05:45:46.520 So, I don't think we got a question, answer from you, though.

05:45:49.400 Are you the most attractive woman in the room?

05:45:52.920 I mean, I wouldn't say I think that, no.

05:45:56.220 I think that everybody kind of, like, downplayed themselves.

05:46:02.180 But, if by default, because of the answer, then, yeah.

05:46:07.620 So, which girl is prettier than you?

05:46:10.060 Who's prettier?

05:46:11.760 Mm-hmm.

05:46:12.200 Like, prettiest?

05:46:13.680 No, prettier than you.

05:46:15.160 Prettier than me?

05:46:16.140 I mean, I really think she's really pretty.

05:46:18.920 Is she prettier than you?

05:46:21.800 Could be, yeah.

05:46:22.920 I don't mind that.

05:46:23.560 Well, I mean, I'm just, I'm asking you for your.

05:46:26.820 I'm not going to do that.

05:46:27.380 So, she is?

05:46:28.040 No, yeah.

05:46:28.640 I think so.

05:46:29.500 I think so.

05:46:30.240 She has features that, like, I would maybe want to have, like.

05:46:33.780 So, she's prettier than you.

05:46:35.140 Yeah.

05:46:35.380 By your estimation.

05:46:36.400 Okay, great.

05:46:37.380 So, if she's prettier than you, if you're a 10 and 10 is perfect, then what does that

05:46:41.920 make her?

05:46:42.940 It makes her whatever she wants to be, because that's my opinion of myself.

05:46:46.440 What?

05:46:46.880 You can make whatever kind of sense of it you want, but that has to do with your own

05:46:52.400 self-esteem.

05:46:53.080 I will say, I think a lot of women base this question off how they feel personally about

05:46:58.140 themselves, where I base my answer off how I think other people would rate me, so to

05:47:05.060 speak, I'm not basing it off of necessarily, like, do I think I'm an ugly person?

05:47:08.680 No, I don't.

05:47:09.280 Do I think I'm the most attractive person?

05:47:11.060 No, I don't.

05:47:12.440 I would say I'm average.

05:47:14.800 Yeah, like, I don't think I'm better than any of these women.

05:47:17.420 But when I answer that question, I answer it based off what I think other people would

05:47:22.080 view me as, and I think, I think people would view me as no more than a five.

05:47:25.600 So, do you think that the other women are underselling themselves, or that you're overselling

05:47:29.980 yourself?

05:47:30.860 Are you asking me?

05:47:32.340 Both of you.

05:47:32.920 Um, I think they're underselling themselves.

05:47:36.040 I think both.

05:47:37.420 I think some oversell themselves, and I think some undersell themselves.

05:47:40.580 Just the ones in the room.

05:47:43.160 Because the thing is, is that I understand that you can say that beauty standards are

05:47:48.400 subjective.

05:47:48.960 Yeah.

05:47:49.200 That's fair.

05:47:50.340 But if you do say that beauty standards are subjective, but then you rate yourself, you

05:47:53.800 must have some standard that you're applying to yourself, or else you couldn't rate yourself.

05:47:57.560 No, 100%.

05:47:58.240 100%.

05:47:58.820 So, if that is true, and I ask if you're the prettiest girl in the room, and you say no,

05:48:02.920 why then would the other girl rate herself as a five?

05:48:06.100 Either one of you is underselling yourself by your estimation, or you're overselling yourself

05:48:11.620 by your estimation.

05:48:12.360 Only one of those can be true.

05:48:13.940 I could be overselling myself, but I also am keeping in mind the other qualities that

05:48:18.500 I have to offer.

05:48:19.720 So...

05:48:20.000 Yeah, but it's just strictly off of beauty.

05:48:21.780 That's it.

05:48:22.520 That's the only standard we're looking at.

05:48:24.540 Okay.

05:48:25.140 I still have the same fucking answer.

05:48:27.740 It doesn't change, I guess.

05:48:30.600 Yeah, but wouldn't that be incoherent if it doesn't change?

05:48:33.640 If you think somebody else is prettier than you, and 10 is the perfect mark, and somebody

05:48:38.040 else is higher than the 10 you gave yourself, how could you be being honest with us?

05:48:41.760 I don't really have a good answer for you for that, I guess.

05:48:48.340 Oh, sorry.

05:48:49.020 That's the best way I can put it, that's all.

05:48:55.880 Anything else?

05:48:56.780 Anything?

05:48:56.900 So there's no women that are more beautiful, not even just at the table, in the world, there's

05:49:02.160 no women that are more beautiful than you?

05:49:03.680 Like, you're just on par with the...

05:49:04.760 Well, because obviously you heard my answer about it, I don't think that realistically.

05:49:12.080 Like, I am the most beautiful person ever, and people are underselling themselves in this

05:49:17.600 room, but I can't personally think about that.

05:49:21.720 You're on par with the most beautiful women in the world.

05:49:25.580 I could be.

05:49:26.240 Like, you're close.

05:49:26.740 I could be.

05:49:27.600 That has a lot to do with, like, what I believe.

05:49:32.080 Right?

05:49:32.520 Yeah, yeah, so do you believe that?

05:49:35.160 Do you believe that you're on par with the prettiest girls in the world?

05:49:37.640 Sure, yeah.

05:49:39.020 Just from a physical standpoint?

05:49:40.600 Yeah, yeah, I've done, I mean, I don't know, that could come, like, from, like, it could

05:49:44.360 be mistaken for ego as well, but...

05:49:46.520 That's, hang on, that's fair enough, it's a fair enough answer.

05:49:48.300 I was modeling for a long time, too, so that had to be, like...

05:49:50.980 So let me just ask you then a quick follow-up, after I understand, now that I understand

05:49:55.020 kind of the position, who is the prettiest actress you can think of?

05:50:00.820 Shit.

05:50:01.220 Just physical beauty only.

05:50:05.560 Eva Mendes.

05:50:07.380 Damn.

05:50:07.780 I'll get down.

05:50:08.520 That's a good one.

05:50:09.140 She said a good one.

05:50:09.940 Eva Mendes is...

05:50:12.280 And you're, uh, you're on par with her?

05:50:14.840 Yeah, I totally could be.

05:50:17.880 Now, now, are you?

05:50:19.360 Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, sure.

05:50:22.000 Yeah, okay.

05:50:24.460 Totes.

05:50:26.880 I don't need anyone to agree on that shit.

05:50:29.220 Do you have that, like, ranking system for women?

05:50:34.540 The one where, you know, like, men are a 10, men are, like, a 1.

05:50:37.480 Do you have that for women?

05:50:40.000 Oh, the chart?

05:50:41.600 Yeah.

05:50:42.080 Yeah, we can pull that up.

05:50:43.120 Do you have that for women?

05:50:44.320 Yeah, we have it for men and women.

05:50:45.800 Okay.

05:50:46.160 I think, Nick, you can just go to true rate me on rate me on Reddit.

05:50:53.680 I think, do we have it in one of the folders?

05:50:56.900 Why don't we have Andrew rate us all?

05:50:58.280 Do we have it?

05:50:58.860 Yeah.

05:50:59.700 Do we have it in the download folder?

05:51:02.340 Do we have it in the download folder, Nick?

05:51:05.300 Nick, I need it quick.

05:51:07.340 Get it for me immediately.

05:51:10.580 Awkward.

05:51:10.940 Guys, go to Twitch.

05:51:13.460 Guys, go to Twitch.

05:51:14.260 That's LB slash whatever.

05:51:15.280 Drops a follow.

05:51:15.740 Drops a prime sub.

05:51:16.800 If you have one, drops a follow in a prime sub.

05:51:20.900 Boys, if you have one, follow us.

05:51:22.620 There we go.

05:51:23.060 I should have checked in.

05:51:24.000 Boys, it's been 28 minutes since we've had a prime sub.

05:51:27.440 I think it's bugged, boys.

05:51:29.420 I need you guys to drop us a little prime and a follow if you're watching over there on Twitch.

05:51:33.900 Think, oh, my God, they restarted the session.

05:51:36.840 Oh, my God.

05:51:37.680 It is.

05:51:38.040 Oh, my God.

05:51:38.820 Okay.

05:51:39.060 Riff.

05:51:41.100 Unfortunate.

05:51:42.100 Unfortunate.

05:51:43.860 Anyways.

05:51:45.140 Go ahead, Nick, I guess.

05:51:46.780 I was trying to find it in Shelf when I searched down Reddit, so I'll just pull it out of this.

05:51:52.180 She's going to take me a sec.

05:51:53.740 Okay.

05:51:55.020 All right.

05:51:55.760 Well, any further?

05:51:58.660 Oh, okay.

05:51:59.340 Here, I'll get through.

05:52:00.680 I'll do some of my.

05:52:03.160 We'll try to wrap up here pretty soon, but I have a couple questions.

05:52:08.240 I still need to get through, so.

05:52:11.740 Hold on, boys.

05:52:12.660 I'm trying to find it.

05:52:13.540 Here it is.

05:52:14.100 Okay.

05:52:15.060 Bullet.

05:52:15.800 This is not the bullet, but I got some quick questions.

05:52:19.940 Have you ever dated an asshole?

05:52:23.240 Yes.

05:52:23.720 Is that it?

05:52:25.340 Yes.

05:52:26.220 Yes.

05:52:26.700 Yeah.

05:52:26.960 No.

05:52:27.140 Yes.

05:52:31.140 Yeah.

05:52:31.640 Yeah.

05:52:34.120 Okay.

05:52:34.520 That was the only answer.

05:52:35.640 I was just curious.

05:52:35.940 I think we all have this for a moment in our school.

05:52:38.900 Okay.

05:52:39.400 A quick follow-up.

05:52:41.040 Just a quick show of hands.

05:52:43.080 Who has ever dated a narcissist?

05:52:45.640 I knew that was coming.

05:52:47.500 Show of hands.

05:52:48.640 Luber.

05:52:49.020 Thank you for the 10.

05:52:50.020 Who has dated a narcissist?

05:52:52.560 I think I might have.

05:52:53.280 Is that a trick question, though?

05:52:54.240 Luber.

05:52:54.640 I don't know for sure.

05:52:55.560 No, it's not a trick question.

05:52:56.760 I'm just curious.

05:52:57.180 I don't know, but I think I might have.

05:52:59.600 Just a show of hands.

05:53:00.460 Who's dated a narcissist?

05:53:01.680 Oh, for sure.

05:53:02.360 Oh, definitely.

05:53:03.300 For sure.

05:53:04.700 I think.

05:53:05.740 I've never been wrong.

05:53:07.960 Because I don't know the technical terms, so I don't want to mistake it.

05:53:13.900 Okay.

05:53:14.500 All right.

05:53:14.700 Like medically diagnosed?

05:53:16.220 I don't know about that, but.

05:53:17.860 Do you have it, Nick?

05:53:19.300 Do you have it?

05:53:20.260 All right.

05:53:20.700 She wanted to see the rape me.

05:53:22.420 She wanted to see the rape me.

05:53:24.520 Yeah, we'll start at the top.

05:53:26.740 These are the ladies.

05:53:27.740 Yeah, we'll show the, we could show the men too, but yeah.

05:53:30.660 Oh, we'll show the men?

05:53:31.780 We'll show the women and the men.

05:53:33.880 All right.

05:53:34.300 So I disagree with a little bit of some of these.

05:53:36.660 A little bit.

05:53:37.340 You know, you can move them up, down, whatever.

05:53:39.680 Adrian, these are like the most attractive women.

05:53:43.720 I'm going to downgrade a couple of these, you know what I mean?

05:53:46.060 But it's, generally speaking, it's decent.

05:53:50.260 It gives you a guide.

05:53:51.200 Something accurate, yeah.

05:53:52.020 It gives you a guide.

05:53:53.720 And then, by the way, we didn't make this.

05:53:56.100 It's just on Reddit.

05:53:57.840 Nina Dobreve is only a 6.5?

05:54:00.940 I don't even know who that is.

05:54:02.040 I think she's much prettier.

05:54:03.020 She's the vampire diaries lady.

05:54:05.340 Wait.

05:54:05.540 Never seen that a day in my life.

05:54:07.660 Wait, okay, wait.

05:54:08.500 I missed the.

05:54:08.920 Oh, no.

05:54:10.160 Taysa?

05:54:10.720 Taysa?

05:54:11.800 She's high.

05:54:12.440 Some of those chicks that were nines were.

05:54:15.060 I didn't.

05:54:15.540 Amy Schumer.

05:54:18.820 All right.

05:54:19.420 So now we're getting to 4, 3.5.

05:54:22.600 Oh, like Rachel Dress.

05:54:24.780 Not precious.

05:54:25.580 I'm going to skip, like, going lower than.

05:54:27.840 I think we're going to stop at 2.5 just because then it starts to get mean.

05:54:31.980 Yeah.

05:54:32.260 It starts to get mean.

05:54:32.920 They put precious on the lid.

05:54:34.480 It gets kind of mean.

05:54:36.960 So bring it back to the top, though, Mick.

05:54:39.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:54:39.740 I don't think.

05:54:40.460 I missed that part.

05:54:41.260 I'm not going to say that.

05:54:44.580 All right.

05:54:47.780 Adriana Lima.

05:54:48.680 Okay.

05:54:51.480 Does she have a lazy eye?

05:54:52.500 What's going on with Frida?

05:54:53.900 That's a good question.

05:54:56.000 Hey, I'd still.

05:54:57.220 Maybe it's lighting.

05:54:58.360 I don't know.

05:54:59.320 Taylor Hill's kind of cute.

05:55:00.680 I don't know who she is.

05:55:01.080 I'm sorry, Brian.

05:55:02.560 We can't go.

05:55:03.080 None of those chicks in the 9.5 belong there.

05:55:06.060 Not a single one of them belong there.

05:55:07.880 Am I wrong, Mason?

05:55:08.520 I don't think I know.

05:55:09.300 I don't think you're wrong, Andrew.

05:55:10.880 No, they don't belong there at all.

05:55:12.940 I didn't make this.

05:55:14.560 I didn't make it.

05:55:16.040 But you would say it was close enough.

05:55:20.240 More accurately than the assessments made here.

05:55:24.200 Oh.

05:55:24.800 Yeah.

05:55:25.020 Oh, yeah.

05:55:25.440 I mean, yes.

05:55:26.240 Okay.

05:55:26.580 I'll give it that.

05:55:27.240 I'll give it that.

05:55:28.340 Bare minimum.

05:55:29.720 Yes.

05:55:31.120 Yeah.

05:55:31.520 I disagree with some of those for sure, but who wanted that?

05:55:36.900 Did you want that pulled up?

05:55:37.880 I wanted it.

05:55:38.440 You wanted it pulled up?

05:55:39.100 Why?

05:55:39.320 I wanted to see what the skill was in relationship to the people here.

05:55:44.040 Oh, word.

05:55:44.720 Okay.

05:55:45.400 Yeah.

05:55:45.620 There it is.

05:55:48.900 Are you satisfied?

05:55:50.280 I am.

05:55:50.840 I just, I wanted to see what their ranking was to see.

05:55:53.260 Let's pull up the men really quick.

05:55:54.500 Nick, could you get the men?

05:55:55.260 Like, honestly, though, I feel like the women here that said there were five whatever's

05:56:00.780 I don't think any woman here is above a six, according to that chart.

05:56:04.600 Oh, you don't think any girl here is above a six?

05:56:05.980 I don't think any girl here is above a six, according to that chart.

05:56:07.920 Shots fired.

05:56:08.280 Shots fired.

05:56:09.220 Sorry.

05:56:09.880 Shots fired.

05:56:10.460 I'm not offended by that.

05:56:11.560 You're allowed to say that.

05:56:12.640 I meant to, like, the people that are fives are better than fives.

05:56:15.760 I'm not going to read.

05:56:17.060 I want you to say it to all the women, to their face.

05:56:20.500 I respect your opinion.

05:56:21.940 I feel like it's valid.

05:56:22.680 I would use subjective, and personally, I was just going off of how I felt secure in

05:56:29.100 myself.

05:56:29.620 That's what I was basing it off of.

05:56:31.320 I would say everybody here and rate myself differently at a different time in my life,

05:56:35.360 you know?

05:56:35.680 I agree.

05:56:36.300 I agree.

05:56:36.620 We're just so based off of, like, how I feel.

05:56:38.980 You know?

05:56:39.240 All right, here's the men.

05:56:40.860 Ew.

05:56:41.220 Oh, hell no.

05:56:42.240 No.

05:56:43.060 Really?

05:56:43.480 I don't know any of these.

05:56:44.680 They don't even got, what's his name?

05:56:46.360 Henry Combsworth is only, like, what's his name?

05:56:48.940 Cavill.

05:56:49.420 Yeah, up there.

05:56:49.820 Well, they're not showing every single man.

05:56:52.200 Yeah, but he should be at the top.

05:56:54.120 They should.

05:56:54.660 How is Chris Hemsworth down there?

05:56:59.040 You say they gave him, like, the...

05:57:01.680 I love me a silver fox.

05:57:03.580 They gave him, like, how he looked like...

05:57:05.800 Okay.

05:57:07.300 All right.

05:57:08.860 Wait.

05:57:10.380 Damn.

05:57:11.200 Jonah Hill.

05:57:11.920 Damn, dude.

05:57:12.700 I'm not going to lie.

05:57:13.740 He is in the same bracket as Lil Wayne.

05:57:17.420 I feel like they kind of, like...

05:57:17.640 Jeremy Lin got a little love on this.

05:57:19.420 I'm just throwing that.

05:57:20.420 Yeah, dude.

05:57:20.940 He said five.

05:57:22.780 Next.

05:57:24.600 Okay, anyways, that's it.

05:57:25.700 DJ Khaled made that list?

05:57:27.200 The further you went down, the more I look like the people where I live.

05:57:31.640 Well, then.

05:57:33.000 That's good.

05:57:35.220 I'll tell you what.

05:57:37.380 I ain't ever met a girl who don't know how to churn butter.

05:57:39.700 You're like, that's your standard from now on.

05:57:44.360 That's your...

05:57:44.960 I'm going to need to start eating fresh butter.

05:57:48.480 Oh, okay.

05:57:49.140 So, going around the table.

05:57:51.220 Who is the primary victim of war, men or women?

05:57:55.580 Of what?

05:57:56.460 War.

05:57:57.200 War.

05:57:57.600 War.

05:57:58.360 War.

05:58:00.260 I don't understand the question.

05:58:02.840 Like, just in general?

05:58:05.420 Yeah, just in general.

05:58:06.400 I would say because in the military, it's dominantly men, like men.

05:58:13.540 But if it wasn't, like, based off of gender, I would say it's whoever, like, is injured or killed in combat.

05:58:20.700 So, men.

05:58:21.280 Okay.

05:58:21.540 Yes.

05:58:21.960 Exactly, yeah.

05:58:25.260 We're going to skip Morgan.

05:58:26.900 Morgan was...

05:58:27.700 Unless you want to answer.

05:58:29.260 Unless you want to answer.

05:58:31.300 Men.

05:58:31.740 Because she already answered these questions last time, so.

05:58:37.300 I mean, men, I guess.

05:58:40.000 Yes.

05:58:40.840 Okay.

05:58:41.680 Men.

05:58:42.580 Men.

05:58:43.440 Men.

05:58:45.200 Okay.

05:58:46.280 Okay.

05:58:46.640 It's, like, hard to argue.

05:58:47.720 All right.

05:58:48.880 It is hard to argue.

05:58:49.780 This is good.

05:58:50.820 Are men or women physically stronger?

05:58:53.920 Oh, my God.

05:58:54.560 Women are so much stronger than men, Brian.

05:58:57.440 I'm really going to need you to start just, like, opening up your eyes and, like, just seeing men, obviously.

05:59:04.920 Sarcasm also is definitely not very...

05:59:07.640 Well, let's ask a follow-up.

05:59:09.480 Are men or women funnier?

05:59:11.220 I think I'm hilarious.

05:59:13.260 But you know what?

05:59:14.040 You are funnier.

05:59:14.820 Yeah, you should.

05:59:15.840 You should.

05:59:17.100 You're pretty...

05:59:17.920 For all the wrong reasons.

05:59:19.500 You know, I think if you just gap the eyes a little bit more, you can compensate for your lack of delivery.

05:59:25.600 I thought that was pretty good.

05:59:27.260 Yeah.

05:59:27.660 It was okay.

05:59:28.620 I mean, just giving a sarcasm...

05:59:29.680 I mean, I would have done it better, but I'm a man.

05:59:32.300 Why didn't you do it better?

05:59:33.580 You should have taken your opportunity.

05:59:35.160 I did.

05:59:37.420 So, are we supposed to answer that question?

05:59:39.240 All right.

05:59:39.540 Going around the table.

05:59:40.560 The funny thing.

05:59:41.200 I was about to fall out.

05:59:43.060 Who's stronger?

05:59:43.700 Yeah, are men or women physically stronger?

05:59:45.540 Men, without a doubt.

05:59:47.440 Men.

05:59:49.440 That one's kind of hard, because women give birth.

05:59:52.840 That part is kind of like...

05:59:54.980 You can't like...

05:59:55.820 I don't know if you can...

05:59:57.140 I don't know.

05:59:58.140 I don't know.

05:59:58.620 That's hard.

05:59:59.320 I want to hear this.

06:00:00.820 Hold on.

06:00:01.120 I really don't have much context behind him, but like...

06:00:03.700 Enduring pain, though, and being stronger are different.

06:00:08.120 Okay.

06:00:08.540 I mean, I guess.

06:00:09.700 Yeah, but so like answer the question.

06:00:12.320 Just men.

06:00:13.700 Okay.

06:00:14.200 Can be, yeah.

06:00:15.560 Men.

06:00:16.840 Men.

06:00:17.840 On average, men, I think women mentally and emotionally are stronger, though.

06:00:23.920 Wait, say it again.

06:00:25.020 I don't...

06:00:25.440 I disagree with the emotionally part.

06:00:27.480 Okay.

06:00:28.320 Yeah.

06:00:29.240 I think that women are stronger emotionally and mentally, though, on average.

06:00:32.740 Of course, there's like outliers, but on average, men would be physically stronger.

06:00:36.920 Wait, women are stronger.

06:00:37.700 Sorry, you said emotionally, and what was the other one?

06:00:40.480 Mentally.

06:00:41.120 Mentally.

06:00:41.480 So, do you mean intellect?

06:00:43.900 Not necessarily, because I feel like you can't categorize something like that off of gender,

06:00:47.820 but I think mental resilience, yes, women.

06:00:51.560 Who generally, if you're going to make a generalization, who generally lashes out of emotion?

06:01:01.640 Women.

06:01:03.520 I mean, is there also a hormone factor, like, put into this, though?

06:01:07.300 So, regardless, yeah, I mean, part of being a woman is you have different hormones than men.

06:01:12.200 Yeah, because, I mean, like, I wouldn't want to be aggressive.

06:01:15.000 So, I mean, generally speaking, like, who are more reserved with expressing their emotions, men or women?

06:01:22.020 Men.

06:01:22.600 Men are taught to reserve their emotions, though.

06:01:25.120 But is that just, like, reserve emotion or an aggressive emotion?

06:01:30.260 So, do you want men to not be taught to control their emotions?

06:01:33.620 Do I want them to?

06:01:34.200 Because...

06:01:34.640 I want them to be taught to process it in a healthy way.

06:01:37.680 Well...

06:01:38.040 Process it in a healthy way.

06:01:39.920 What does that look like?

06:01:41.280 That looks like not lashing out.

06:01:42.580 I think that lashing out isn't healthy either.

06:01:44.680 Okay, so controlling your emotions.

06:01:46.600 Do you want them to control their emotions?

06:01:47.960 Men generally control their emotions better.

06:01:50.440 I'm not saying control your emotions.

06:01:51.920 What I'm saying specifically is I feel like, on average, women are taught to regulate their emotions in healthier ways versus men aren't.

06:02:00.820 Men don't have...

06:02:02.000 Yeah, let's walk through what that means.

06:02:03.520 What do you mean that they're taught to regulate in a healthier way?

06:02:07.640 I think that a lot of times when men experience mental distress, they will not use healthy coping techniques, and they will not talk about it, push it down.

06:02:15.600 What are those healthy coping techniques?

06:02:17.520 Healthy coping techniques, like, when I'm upset, I will talk to my friends.

06:02:20.600 I'll talk to my mom.

06:02:21.640 I have my friends to confide in.

06:02:23.860 I talk it.

06:02:24.740 You have to feel it to heal it.

06:02:25.960 I feel my emotions fully, and then I'm able to move on past it.

06:02:29.460 Wait, men don't talk to their friends?

06:02:32.200 I don't think they talk to...

06:02:32.920 To cope with...

06:02:34.060 What?

06:02:34.880 I don't think it's on the same level.

06:02:36.800 What do you mean it's not on the same level?

06:02:39.060 What are you talking about?

06:02:40.060 I think how men and women should deal with their emotions is entirely different because men and women are entirely different.

06:02:47.100 So women show a lot of progress sitting down and just directly chit-chatting with, like, a therapist or somebody else.

06:02:55.120 Men, on average, their mental healing, like, how they work through all this crap is, yeah, we go chop down trees.

06:03:04.560 We'll fix a motorcycle and, like...

06:03:07.220 Oh, my God.

06:03:07.680 Mason, stop with the mansplaining.

06:03:09.980 Bro, you've got to feel it to heal it.

06:03:11.980 You have to feel it to heal it.

06:03:13.420 You're right.

06:03:14.020 You're right.

06:03:14.360 There was that documentary, that experiment that woman did that committed...

06:03:21.080 Well, so, I mean, how men heal through things might just look differently.

06:03:25.960 It doesn't mean it's unhealthy.

06:03:27.480 It doesn't mean it's wrong.

06:03:28.920 Also, the way men control their emotions, it's not because they're taught to do that.

06:03:34.900 It's natural.

06:03:36.880 Like, men naturally hold things in because they're built that way.

06:03:41.020 But that's not...

06:03:41.440 Women don't naturally hold things in because they're not built that way.

06:03:45.920 And it's, like, those distinctions are good because you're designed that way.

06:03:51.280 I respect your opinion, but I don't, like, from experience, I don't think that's...

06:03:55.980 Yeah.

06:03:56.300 I think you're...

06:03:59.020 I respect your opinion, too.

06:04:00.520 I agree with you.

06:04:01.480 And I thank you for explaining to me, too, that, like...

06:04:04.240 That could work good for you.

06:04:05.460 Processing, like, how men do it because that is a valid way to process your emotions.

06:04:09.200 Me, personally, I process my emotions best when I'm alone.

06:04:12.360 It's, like, I take alone time, I do something independently, and I'm able to, like, work through

06:04:16.600 it.

06:04:16.820 Similar to how you're talking about, like, how men will go chop down trees instead of chit-chatting.

06:04:20.100 You know what I mean?

06:04:21.120 So, I don't think it's solely...

06:04:22.340 Physical, then, for you guys, and then...

06:04:25.780 Well, it's just statistical finding.

06:04:28.280 Women have success dealing with emotional whatever, talking through things, dealing with

06:04:36.000 trauma, emotional baggage.

06:04:37.980 They deal best through those things by talking through therapy sessions, like, talking those

06:04:44.720 things out.

06:04:45.380 Men generally do better at coping with those things, not through sitting down.

06:04:50.120 Actually, it's shown that if men try to just sit down, talk to a therapist, and deal

06:04:55.560 with those things, like, women do, it doesn't show nearly as much effect as if they would

06:05:02.340 just, like, stand around a lawnmower and fix it together.

06:05:05.300 Because, naturally, as you're fixing things...

06:05:07.020 It's like self-reflection.

06:05:08.080 You start to, like...

06:05:09.160 You start to bring...

06:05:10.180 You start to bring things up, like, as guys do stuff together, as you're, like, doing

06:05:14.520 something, fulfilling an activity, those things might come up.

06:05:18.220 Well, the actual act of doing this manual labor or accomplishing a task is therapeutic

06:05:25.120 for men.

06:05:26.080 So, without even discussing the topic, you can heal all of those things.

06:05:30.520 Women do that, too, though.

06:05:31.460 You know, I'll go have a run in the morning, and I'll feel way better than I would have

06:05:34.780 if I didn't.

06:05:35.760 But, you know...

06:05:36.140 Exercises.

06:05:36.600 I've also known...

06:05:37.680 Yeah, that's good.

06:05:38.180 But, like, I'm just saying, in general, that's how men will heal through things.

06:05:42.180 And, in general, that's how women will heal through things.

06:05:44.280 So, when people come out and say they do not know how to cope, or they do not know how

06:05:49.640 to heal, maybe they just don't heal the way you do.

06:05:55.080 Can I ask about the female coping mechanism versus the male coping mechanism?

06:06:01.820 When you say healthy, men don't deal with these things in a healthy way.

06:06:06.720 Can I give you an example of a way that I cope, for instance, if I'm upset?

06:06:11.000 Yeah.

06:06:11.340 And this is true, and then you can tell me if you think it's healthy or unhealthy.

06:06:15.980 So, what I generally do is I load up a .22 Magnum, and I go up on my top deck, and I turn

06:06:21.640 on the night vision, and I wait for the rabbits to come out at night, and then I blow their

06:06:25.260 faces off.

06:06:26.240 And I think it's hilarious.

06:06:28.380 Right?

06:06:28.920 I mean, I just gun them down mercilessly.

06:06:32.060 And it doesn't bother me a bit, and I feel a lot better.

06:06:35.260 Is that unhealthy?

06:06:36.520 Do you feed the rabbits to the dogs?

06:06:38.580 I mean, do you feed the rabbits to the dogs?

06:06:41.760 No, I don't feed them to anything.

06:06:42.800 I don't let them rot.

06:06:43.600 I don't give a shit about them.

06:06:44.640 They're pests, and they annoy me.

06:06:46.060 They feed the earth.

06:06:46.900 So, I gun them down for fun.

06:06:47.880 Is that unhealthy?

06:06:49.780 There's been plenty of times where, I don't know, when I was way younger, that I felt like

06:06:55.620 punching a hole in the door felt amazing after fighting somebody at school felt great.

06:07:01.220 Like, that was a great way to get my anger out, but obviously, in society, that's not

06:07:07.140 the right way to get it out.

06:07:08.840 He's not necessarily talking about getting, like, expelling anger from his body.

06:07:12.860 But that's a physical...

06:07:13.820 No.

06:07:13.920 That's a physical...

06:07:15.000 It's just like...

06:07:15.020 No, I'm just saying that.

06:07:16.540 Stressful thing.

06:07:17.760 That's just an equivalent for me, personally.

06:07:19.460 Or I'm having some kind of issue or something like this.

06:07:22.120 Yeah.

06:07:22.480 I like to just murder the local wildlife, because I, you know, just kind of find it mildly amusing.

06:07:27.400 And I don't like the little bastards being in my yard, because it's mine.

06:07:30.780 Is that healthy or unhealthy?

06:07:32.940 I want to start off by saying that I'm glad that that helps you, and I'm glad that you

06:07:36.620 have a technique that you feel can help you emotionally process things.

06:07:41.860 I'm going to be very vague in answering this, because I am very tired.

06:07:45.100 I feel like everyone's definition of healthy, what's healthy for me, is going to look different

06:07:50.100 from someone else, just in terms of, like, mental health.

06:07:54.300 And if that's what you find healthy for yourself, sure, I find that healthy then.

06:07:59.420 And I'm glad that you have that as a technique to process your emotions.

06:08:01.880 I think as long as you're not hurting other people around you.

06:08:05.300 Do I think that it would be great if it was a technique that didn't cause you to inflict

06:08:10.520 pain onto another living thing?

06:08:13.220 Sure.

06:08:13.420 Yeah, but that's the best part.

06:08:15.100 I'm not going to...

06:08:15.440 Like, the funnest part of it is the blasting of watching their little bodies explode.

06:08:20.340 That's when we go to that therapist.

06:08:20.960 Like, that's the fun part.

06:08:22.200 Have you been to therapy?

06:08:23.020 I mean, what's...

06:08:24.140 Is that unhealthy?

06:08:25.780 I mean, I don't know.

06:08:26.720 You need to ask me to just eat it.

06:08:29.720 How often are you doing this?

06:08:31.040 That little round just zips in, it just slices them right in half, just like that.

06:08:35.000 And I'm like, yeah, take that, you little bastard.

06:08:37.200 Is that me being, like, unhealthy or is that the proper masculine way in which to process

06:08:44.380 my emotions?

06:08:45.060 Just if I was looking at you for your expertise.

06:08:47.720 If that's keeping you from hurting other, I don't know, I guess, that's fine.

06:08:51.660 I agree with you in a relative sense.

06:08:53.420 Yeah.

06:08:53.660 But I still would, like...

06:08:55.180 Is it ideal?

06:08:56.040 No.

06:08:56.620 I'm glad it works for you.

06:08:58.280 Yeah, I don't think, like...

06:08:59.620 Well, how come it's not ideal?

06:09:00.740 I feel like it's a great service that I do for the community.

06:09:04.480 I keep the, you know, the pests under control.

06:09:09.260 And at the same time, I'm able to, I don't know, satiate my feelings at the same time.

06:09:16.160 It seems like it's a win-win.

06:09:17.780 Yeah.

06:09:18.340 It is.

06:09:18.860 That is good.

06:09:19.700 But, you know, I don't think there's many other people that have that.

06:09:24.120 Oh, no.

06:09:24.760 Ask the men in the chat.

06:09:26.320 My buddies come over sometimes.

06:09:27.580 If you want to shoot something, go shoot something.

06:09:29.060 It's 2 o'clock in the morning.

06:09:30.220 We're drinking beer.

06:09:31.140 We're just cutting those little bastards in half.

06:09:33.620 Like it's going out of style.

06:09:35.560 And it's hilarious.

06:09:36.220 And it's fun.

06:09:37.380 Are they also...

06:09:38.400 Are they processing their emotions properly, too?

06:09:41.320 But you can't deny that there are significant, like, improvements in, like, a mental health

06:09:48.740 of a man that has gone through crazy type of trauma.

06:09:52.920 And they talk about it.

06:09:54.860 I've known personally, at least five, that after getting a therapist.

06:09:59.720 And just releasing that in a short amount of time, they didn't even need to continuously

06:10:04.560 see a professional for that.

06:10:07.880 That already solved a bunch of their problems.

06:10:11.100 I would argue that I do agree that there is some genetic component, like how you were saying

06:10:17.420 earlier.

06:10:17.780 I do acknowledge that.

06:10:18.660 There have been studies done, like, that's totally, like, I agree with you on that.

06:10:21.840 But I also do think that due to the notion that men are taught that they don't see the

06:10:28.860 same amount of people in therapy.

06:10:30.120 Like, when you picture a therapist's office, who do you picture sitting on the couch next

06:10:33.600 to the therapist?

06:10:34.140 You picture a woman, right?

06:10:35.080 Like, we've all been conditioned societally to think that women are the ones who go to

06:10:38.880 therapy.

06:10:39.600 Men don't go as often.

06:10:40.820 Because it's the truth.

06:10:41.760 It's what society reflects.

06:10:43.580 If you were to grow up in an environment where you saw your father going to therapy, you saw

06:10:48.600 male role models going to therapy and speaking openly about it, there's a greater chance that

06:10:54.060 you might take to therapy more.

06:10:56.760 Therapy's...

06:10:57.200 Yeah, you know, I want to let you know, here's the kind of traditional male therapy that I'm

06:11:03.540 used to, and I think it's far superior, because there seems to be far less mental illness in

06:11:07.940 men, and we know that by the numbers, because we can see the amount of antidepressants, and

06:11:12.780 we can see the amount of antipsychotic drugs that women are on versus men.

06:11:16.740 Go ahead.

06:11:17.900 Do you think that's because men aren't going to these doctor's appointments, so they're not

06:11:21.640 even getting diagnosed and prescribed in the first place?

06:11:24.040 Yeah, but you would see this act out in other ways in society, then, and you don't.

06:11:29.120 The highest population of antidepressant abusers is women.

06:11:34.440 Isn't the highest...

06:11:36.680 So, no, mental illness is higher in women than it is in men.

06:11:40.820 There's no doubt that that's true.

06:11:42.520 But you know how I see men generally deal with their problems rather than go and sit on

06:11:47.220 the couch and talk to some chick about their feelings?

06:11:49.680 What they do is they get on a game called Red Dead Redemption 2, and they find prostitutes,

06:11:53.820 and they tie them up in the game, and they put them on the back of a horse, and they

06:11:58.020 go down to the railroad track, and then they throw them on the railroad track, and then

06:12:02.360 they wait there with a six-shooter until the train comes, and then it blasts them and cuts

06:12:06.800 them in half, and then they shoot at the body parts in the game.

06:12:09.960 Honestly...

06:12:10.560 I see them do it, and you know what?

06:12:12.420 They seem to be having a blast, so I was like, you know what?

06:12:14.800 Honestly, you got me.

06:12:15.400 I'm going to try that shit.

06:12:16.340 And it was a lot of fun.

06:12:17.660 How much fun?

06:12:18.300 Is that a healthy way to deal with their issues?

06:12:21.980 I feel like everything you said was TOS.

06:12:23.960 Yeah.

06:12:24.780 Definitely.

06:12:25.340 If that's what works for them, that's beautiful.

06:12:26.660 That's not TOS.

06:12:26.920 It's a video.

06:12:27.320 It's a lot of graphic, I think, for YouTube.

06:12:30.680 Why put all of that energy into something like that when you can just talk and get it

06:12:37.380 out?

06:12:37.500 It's fun.

06:12:38.340 As a gamer, I can tell you, some of the best therapy sessions I've ever had have been with

06:12:44.700 the boys playing Call of Duty, doing the most obscene stuff.

06:12:48.320 But is it because, is this because, like, people tell you, like, even me, for instance,

06:12:54.200 I thought, like, crying, people seeing me cry was weak.

06:12:57.280 Yeah.

06:12:57.620 And I had to figure that out.

06:13:00.160 But that kind of goes for, like, men, like, they think those kind of behaviors are weak

06:13:05.560 or they were told that at some point in their lives or that has something to do with it.

06:13:11.180 I don't know.

06:13:11.520 Here's the thing, though, is that we don't want to talk about our problems.

06:13:16.540 We want to solve them.

06:13:17.800 Okay, go solve them.

06:13:18.740 You don't have to talk about them necessarily.

06:13:19.300 But you don't have to solve them by suppressing all that.

06:13:21.940 Okay, so you're in therapy because I feel bad about X.

06:13:27.080 I feel bad about my life circumstances.

06:13:28.900 I feel bad about something that happened.

06:13:31.900 You go to find out why you react to things and the way you react.

06:13:36.180 I don't know about you, Mason.

06:13:38.380 If I, like, actually start meditating and thinking about my problems or talking about my problems,

06:13:43.540 I feel bad.

06:13:45.520 Like, it makes me feel bad.

06:13:46.600 That's a bad sign.

06:13:47.280 It doesn't make me, like, it doesn't help the problem.

06:13:49.660 No.

06:13:50.240 I don't.

06:13:50.980 That's not a good sign.

06:13:51.920 That's the first step into problem solving.

06:13:55.320 Well, no.

06:13:55.980 Men see things as, like, okay, problem solution.

06:13:58.540 If there's a problem in my life, I need to find a solution.

06:14:01.140 There's always a solution, though.

06:14:02.940 There's always a solution regardless.

06:14:04.820 But the first step to getting to a solution is knowing the problem.

06:14:07.220 Well, okay, I'm just going to let you inside the mind of men right now.

06:14:10.540 That's, yeah, that's fine.

06:14:11.860 So when we see a problem, it does nothing for us to ruminate and just stew on the problem itself

06:14:18.640 and think about why is it a problem, why is it affecting my psyche, why does it make me feel this way?

06:14:26.360 We don't think like that.

06:14:27.260 So you're saying short term.

06:14:28.220 Okay, there is the problem.

06:14:29.920 Let me solve this problem.

06:14:31.380 Eliminate it.

06:14:32.200 For now.

06:14:32.280 And then I don't have to deal with it anymore.

06:14:33.560 It's gone.

06:14:34.100 It's out of my mind.

06:14:35.100 That's a problem.

06:14:36.100 They think it's gone forever.

06:14:36.280 No, no, no, no, no, no, because you're coming at me as a woman saying this because your mind works differently.

06:14:43.020 You sit there, you say, well, that shit happened, and then you move on.

06:14:45.680 Well, no, it's because as men, like, we can just expel it from our minds.

06:14:51.280 We can totally recover from things by just solving the issue.

06:14:54.880 The longer you talk about something, the more you're just going to drag it up,

06:14:57.060 and then you're just going to have to deal with it over and over and over again.

06:14:59.700 Just say, okay, that happened, and then move on.

06:15:01.700 Have you ever had the experience of you go to, like, a guy, maybe you're dating him.

06:15:05.860 Right.

06:15:06.520 And you, like, tell him a problem.

06:15:08.500 Right.

06:15:09.060 And he's like, okay, well, you can do X, Y, Z, and here's how you can resolve it.

06:15:12.520 Yeah.

06:15:12.720 Or here's what you can do.

06:15:13.760 Okay.

06:15:14.020 And you're like, well, I don't really want that.

06:15:15.920 I just want you to listen.

06:15:18.020 That's the difference between men and women.

06:15:21.600 Yeah, that's not true at all, because I don't think that.

06:15:24.240 If a girl comes to me with a problem, I'm going to be like, okay, how can I fix this?

06:15:28.840 Yeah.

06:15:29.080 But y'all are like, no, I don't want a solution.

06:15:31.080 Just listen to me.

06:15:32.040 The whole y'all thing is the whole y'all thing you guys don't like that we do.

06:15:35.860 Does that make sense?

06:15:38.680 Like, as a guy, I don't want to vent to anybody.

06:15:41.400 Then don't.

06:15:42.100 Oh, shit.

06:15:42.920 That's up to you.

06:15:43.740 That's subjective.

06:15:44.180 Yeah.

06:15:44.520 And that's totally valid.

06:15:45.620 I'm not saying that's not valid.

06:15:47.120 If that really helps.

06:15:48.560 Go ahead.

06:15:48.720 I have a clarifying question for you specifically.

06:15:50.880 Okay.

06:15:51.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:15:51.380 When you're saying that the way that men are wired and their brains work this way, I agree

06:15:57.540 that that's the majority of men, but do you think that's how all men are wired?

06:16:01.260 Or should be?

06:16:01.840 Naturally, yeah.

06:16:02.980 I mean, naturally, yes.

06:16:04.880 Naturally, yes.

06:16:05.720 Yeah.

06:16:05.860 And is that okay?

06:16:06.540 Sometimes there are problems that are too large for a man to accomplish by himself, so he has

06:16:12.880 to bring in other people, but at the end of the day, all he's trying to do is just solve

06:16:16.500 the problem instead of talk about the intricacies of the problem.

06:16:20.280 Like, if he has to talk about the intricacies of the problem to solve it, he'll do that.

06:16:24.300 But for the sake of talking about the problem, he'll never do that.

06:16:27.800 But only when it's necessary, you're saying?

06:16:29.600 Exactly.

06:16:29.900 Okay, I understand that.

06:16:31.240 Okay.

06:16:31.580 I will say, too, though, I have, going back to your point about how when you'll vent to

06:16:38.420 like a boyfriend or whatever, I have had partners in the past where I'll vent to them and they

06:16:43.380 don't immediately hand me solutions and their natural instinct is just be like, I'm so sorry

06:16:48.120 that sucks.

06:16:48.880 Sure.

06:16:49.320 Like, I'm so sorry that happened.

06:16:51.320 Like, I don't think that...

06:16:52.560 Well, it's because they've been taught, like, sorry, I didn't want to cut you off.

06:16:56.600 No, it's okay.

06:16:57.040 But generally speaking, the first relationships I ever got into, my initial reaction was solve

06:17:03.240 the problem.

06:17:04.080 But it's been taught to me that women don't think exactly like I do.

06:17:08.040 So I've had to learn that when a woman comes to me with a problem, I have to decipher or

06:17:14.500 ask them, do you want a solution or do you just want me to listen?

06:17:17.460 I mean, that's like typical...

06:17:18.240 Generally speaking, I'll typically just listen.

06:17:21.640 But with a guy, one of my bros comes to me with a problem, I know I can just give him

06:17:26.560 a solution and that's kind of what he's looking for.

06:17:29.160 No, and I think that's a good skill that you have that you can differentiate in between those

06:17:32.840 two.

06:17:33.120 Yeah, and I think it comes with learning.

06:17:34.960 Yeah, of course.

06:17:36.060 But I will say that I have friends who are male where their instinct is not to just solve

06:17:42.000 it.

06:17:42.260 It's to comfort me first.

06:17:44.060 And that's their natural instinct.

06:17:45.580 So I agree with you that that's the majority of men.

06:17:47.760 I do not think that is all of them, though.

06:17:49.900 I think that you're using a lot of blanket terms here.

06:17:53.720 Well, maybe you haven't been with them through their whole life.

06:17:57.100 Maybe there have been points in their life.

06:17:58.800 It's like childhood friends.

06:18:00.240 From birth, you've been with them?

06:18:01.980 Because at all points in life...

06:18:03.700 It's like friends from elementary school.

06:18:05.000 I'm just saying, we all want to solve the problem.

06:18:11.040 That's not the issue here.

06:18:13.220 Can I ask a question along this vein?

06:18:16.200 For those of you who are big, heavy believers in therapy, have you ever actually known a

06:18:22.700 single woman who's gone to therapy and been cured of the problem she was going to therapy

06:18:27.020 for?

06:18:28.000 Cured?

06:18:28.500 Hell no.

06:18:29.700 I don't think there is a cure.

06:18:30.500 Just off of talking to one person?

06:18:34.140 Don't get cured like that.

06:18:35.300 It's not the way it sounds either.

06:18:38.380 I think that when you go to therapy, you learn how to deal with problems that life throw you.

06:18:42.740 I don't think you get cured.

06:18:44.120 It's a longer lasting...

06:18:46.120 You learn how to address things in the future when they crop up in your life.

06:18:50.300 I've gone to therapy, and at this point now, would I say I'm cured?

06:18:54.820 No.

06:18:55.340 I'm a human.

06:18:56.060 I experience stress within my daily life.

06:18:58.480 But after going to therapy, I know how to manage stress better.

06:19:01.240 And it worked for me, and that's fine.

06:19:03.780 Wouldn't that be a cure?

06:19:05.760 No.

06:19:06.120 No, because you don't, like, yeah, I don't know.

06:19:09.180 No?

06:19:09.700 You know longer after those things.

06:19:11.180 Maybe you cured that...

06:19:11.840 No, I just don't go occasionally.

06:19:13.760 I just don't go as often.

06:19:14.840 Maybe you cured that, like, problem at that time that you had, but people don't stop going

06:19:19.280 through experiences that, like, questions them.

06:19:21.120 If the goal of therapy is to gather all of these tools so you can appropriately deal with issues

06:19:27.480 in the future, you should be able to provide somebody with those tools and not have to

06:19:32.800 continue providing new tools to them.

06:19:34.700 Do you have the same, like, problems or fears that you did when you were five than now?

06:19:40.040 No, because I deal with them in a very...

06:19:41.840 They progress, right?

06:19:41.860 You had different experiences.

06:19:43.320 I have the tools.

06:19:44.820 I don't have to continually have somebody give me more tools to figure out how to deal with

06:19:49.220 the issues.

06:19:49.440 Well, that's good for you.

06:19:50.540 Can I propose an analogy real quick, just to shed light on my perspective?

06:19:54.720 Okay.

06:19:55.260 Think of it like this.

06:19:57.000 I went to therapy because I experienced anxiety from a really young age.

06:20:00.440 I did not know how to deal with stress, right?

06:20:02.460 But think of it like a chronic disease, right?

06:20:05.900 You can learn to manage it, but it never fully goes away.

06:20:08.920 I still feel anxious, but now I have the tools in order to remedy that and ease those symptoms.

06:20:15.660 It's like living with a chronic...

06:20:18.660 I hate drawing that comparison.

06:20:20.760 Have you ever tried alternative forms of medicine, though, than therapy?

06:20:24.600 Alternative forms of medicine?

06:20:25.400 Can you please elaborate and provide some examples?

06:20:27.320 Yeah, I can give you an example.

06:20:28.640 Have you ever tried bunny blasting?

06:20:30.700 No.

06:20:31.040 Oh, my God.

06:20:31.960 No.

06:20:32.460 Well, please explain, though.

06:20:35.020 That's where you take...

06:20:36.860 Is that the thing that you do?

06:20:38.180 Is that your thing?

06:20:39.080 Blow the brains out of it.

06:20:40.080 Because you think it's fun, right?

06:20:41.080 I believe I asked for examples plural.

06:20:41.580 Have you ever tried that?

06:20:42.480 I believe I asked for examples plural, please provide more.

06:20:46.380 I think that's all he has for us.

06:20:47.360 I don't know.

06:20:49.000 It's okay.

06:20:49.420 You know, going out and shooting at random things, or...

06:20:54.740 Can you provide an example?

06:20:55.900 I think it's the energy in building something, or any number of different things.

06:20:59.340 Yes, I do build...

06:21:00.620 I have done the building things.

06:21:02.240 My dad does woodworking, and I've gone out and learned how to woodwork with him, and that

06:21:06.360 has been therapeutic for me.

06:21:06.780 Well, what did you learn how to woodwork?

06:21:08.460 My brother, we built the furniture for his bedroom.

06:21:11.060 So, we built a bed frame, a desk, and a little nightstand for him.

06:21:14.220 Well, what did you do for the woodworking portion, you specifically?

06:21:17.420 Woodworking me specifically?

06:21:19.060 Okay.

06:21:19.380 Well, I used the saw, I learned how to use the bandsaw.

06:21:21.980 What kind of saw?

06:21:23.660 What did you say?

06:21:24.720 What kind of saw?

06:21:25.840 A bandsaw.

06:21:27.220 Do you use a jigsaw?

06:21:28.120 And I learned how to use a handsaw.

06:21:29.100 I did use a jigsaw in order to stabilize the wood, yes.

06:21:32.600 Okay.

06:21:32.840 And then I learned how to use a sander.

06:21:34.400 My dad is very, very into carpentry, so he did teach me basic things.

06:21:38.820 Am I a master woodcrafter?

06:21:40.420 No.

06:21:40.920 I never claimed to be.

06:21:41.580 Well, I'm not asking you if you're a master woodcrafter.

06:21:43.600 I was just asking if you've ever vented maybe your frustrations in a different way.

06:21:47.720 I think that there are, yes, and I'm not just saying, like, I have many different ways that

06:21:52.760 I process emotion.

06:21:53.540 I just don't go to therapy 24-7.

06:21:55.340 I don't think anyone does.

06:21:56.980 I like to lift weights.

06:21:58.140 I'll jump in on this.

06:21:59.420 I'm going to jump in on this.

06:22:00.900 Okay.

06:22:01.280 A part of therapy does teach you different.

06:22:02.000 I mean, if you're trying to actually tackle something specific, you said you had anxiety,

06:22:06.940 you went to therapy for it.

06:22:08.500 Perhaps you saw somebody who specialized in treating people who have panic disorders, anxiety,

06:22:13.180 et cetera.

06:22:13.740 I don't really have any objections there, but I do think there are some sort of,

06:22:17.400 this idea, like, because you'll see on, like, dating apps, for example, to bring it back

06:22:21.520 to dating, women will just, like, wholesale say, green flag if a man's in therapy, or men

06:22:27.060 should be in therapy, which sort of pathologizes men in general, saying, well, there's something

06:22:32.220 sort of innately wrong with men, and they need to solve their maleness by, I mean, I'm

06:22:38.340 sorry, I don't want to straw man, but you will see these things from women on dating

06:22:42.960 apps, for example, just going to talk therapy because you're just vaguely not really trying

06:22:50.880 to address any specific, anything specific like you were with anxiety, but you're just

06:22:55.440 vaguely unhappy or vaguely depressed, or just because society is saying, or women are

06:23:02.720 saying, I'm attracted to men, men should be in therapy, it's a green flag.

06:23:06.120 Um, I think there's an issue there, talk therapy, I don't think is effective at all, uh, but I

06:23:13.680 do think, for example, as you mentioned, therapies that can assist with specific issues, maybe

06:23:19.120 someone who's coping with the, uh, who's grieving, who's lost a family member, there are therapists

06:23:24.120 who can specifically help with how to overcome that sort of thing.

06:23:27.900 I think that, you know, not oftentimes these are covered by the hospice or, um, in any case,

06:23:34.060 but it does kind of lead into our next thing here.

06:23:36.820 I've heard that men's hesitance to go to therapy or their unwillingness to go to therapy is evidence

06:23:43.580 of toxic masculinity.

06:23:45.160 Do you agree with that?

06:23:47.280 Here's what I would say.

06:23:48.400 I would say that an adherence to go to therapy has been due to the notion that a lot of men

06:23:54.500 are just taught that therapy is not for men.

06:23:56.540 Um, here's what I, and I also have a response to the dating prompts.

06:23:59.540 Do I think that everyone needs to actively be in therapy?

06:24:02.480 No, I don't think everyone actively needs to be in therapy.

06:24:05.460 Do I think that at least everyone should at least try it once in order to see if it works

06:24:09.260 for them?

06:24:09.900 Yes.

06:24:10.220 Yes, I do.

06:24:11.080 I don't think that everyone needs to be in it consistently though.

06:24:14.000 That's like how you said, like you have processing techniques that work for you better and I'm

06:24:18.100 glad.

06:24:18.480 And like, I'm not saying that therapy has to work for you.

06:24:21.160 Like that would be really ignorant of me to think that one thing would work for everyone.

06:24:26.540 You know what I mean?

06:24:27.480 Like, that's not my argument here.

06:24:28.960 All right.

06:24:29.200 Well, I'm just saying that everyone should at least try it once or consider it.

06:24:34.100 Well, I'm going to move it off of therapy conversation.

06:24:36.840 A couple more questions and we will try to wrap things up here pretty soon.

06:24:40.420 Bring, uh, bringing up toxic masculinity.

06:24:42.340 Do you believe that that is a thing though?

06:24:44.760 Yes.

06:24:45.140 Toxic masculinity going around the table?

06:24:46.960 Um, yeah.

06:24:49.680 Yes.

06:24:50.940 Yeah.

06:24:52.500 No.

06:24:53.380 Not a thing.

06:24:54.060 Okay.

06:24:54.760 Uh, do you think there's toxic femininity?

06:24:57.780 Oh, a hundred percent.

06:24:58.920 Yes.

06:24:59.520 Yeah.

06:25:00.200 Yeah.

06:25:01.080 Definitely.

06:25:01.520 But why do we tend to hear more about toxic masculinity than we do about toxic femininity?

06:25:07.740 Why do you think that is?

06:25:08.760 Um, I think that's actually a really interesting question.

06:25:12.520 Um, I think because feminism is such a new field, like it's only been around, like the

06:25:22.760 term feminism, what, when was it coined?

06:25:25.080 Like, I'm not even sure personally, but it's a relatively recently new field, right?

06:25:29.600 When you have new fields emerging, you don't look at it with the same lens as you would,

06:25:35.440 um, a field that is like more established.

06:25:38.820 I think that a lot of times with toxic femininity, I think a lot of times women will beat each

06:25:43.100 other down, like little digs at each other, passive aggressive, making each other look

06:25:46.760 bad in front of other people.

06:25:47.800 I'm sure everyone at this table has experienced a woman being toxic to them in some form.

06:25:54.600 That's kind of a weird analogy though, right?

06:25:56.560 I mean, feminism's been around a lot longer than, let's say the microchip, for instance.

06:26:02.560 Like really though?

06:26:05.240 Are you comparing feminism to a microchip?

06:26:07.520 No, like I, I mean, I also assumed that it was within the past like few hundred years,

06:26:13.600 maybe.

06:26:14.580 Yeah, I'm saying that.

06:26:15.500 How old do you think the microchip is?

06:26:17.740 I don't know.

06:26:18.380 I don't know.

06:26:19.220 I don't study microchips.

06:26:21.200 It's, okay.

06:26:22.760 I mean, if you had a yes, right, the microchip would be pretty recent, right?

06:26:28.200 Yes.

06:26:28.680 Okay.

06:26:29.000 Can I please finish my point?

06:26:31.400 Yeah.

06:26:31.800 Well, yeah, but I still would like you to answer to this because you start by saying, well,

06:26:36.860 feminism is kind of a new term.

06:26:38.860 And because of that, we're focusing on this kind of a limited prism, which is really strange

06:26:45.000 because I think that language and I think that ideas are just technologies, just like

06:26:50.900 a microchip.

06:26:51.880 They're all just technologies.

06:26:53.480 So it still kind of begs the question.

06:26:56.480 I don't really understand why we would be hyper-focusing on toxic masculinity just because

06:27:03.100 feminism is new.

06:27:04.500 That's the part I don't understand.

06:27:05.640 I mean, I don't know.

06:27:08.180 I think it's not, it shouldn't be focused on just toxic masculinity.

06:27:14.800 I think that toxic-

06:27:16.160 If that's the case, like, you know.

06:27:17.400 I agree with your guys' points that toxic femininity does need to be talked about more.

06:27:22.180 I've never said that.

06:27:23.760 I think it's honestly a bigger issue than people make it out to be.

06:27:26.920 I think that a lot of the times, the biggest, I think in a lot of instances too, a lot of

06:27:32.680 issues that women have can be attributed to other women in these instances, but that's

06:27:37.220 because-

06:27:38.620 It's like looked down upon almost by like the feminist, whatever that would be culture

06:27:45.220 that if you are a woman and you say something against feminism or what the like social norm

06:27:53.540 definition of it is, then you're not on the side, I don't know, on the right side of it.

06:28:00.740 I don't know.

06:28:01.260 I'm trying to like-

06:28:02.900 I think that a lot of times too, insecure women will gain confidence by putting other

06:28:08.900 women down and I think that's why it happens a lot of the time.

06:28:12.860 So it's just as bad as toxic masculinity.

06:28:15.640 It's not like-

06:28:17.540 I actually just, I just, I found something kind of interesting.

06:28:20.720 I was just trying to Google.

06:28:21.540 I did a Google search of toxic femininity and toxic masculinity and there's Wikipedia article,

06:28:29.180 there's a full on Wikipedia article for toxic masculinity, but if you try to search for toxic

06:28:34.680 femininity, it redirects to internalized misogyny, which I think is interesting.

06:28:42.400 Why are you using Wikipedia as your source?

06:28:46.400 Well, I mean, it's like, it's often cited, but I mean, getting like a societal consensus

06:28:52.420 upon something, Wikipedia is pretty useful.

06:28:55.620 I mean, just anyone can put that information in there.

06:28:58.040 Well, Brian, how dare you think toxic femininity is a thing?

06:29:01.520 I think the first thing we were taught in school was to check your source.

06:29:05.560 No, yeah.

06:29:05.980 I'm not saying Wikipedia is a-

06:29:08.200 Well, obviously, because there's no toxic femininity, it's not very accurate.

06:29:12.040 No, it's-

06:29:12.800 Hold on, hold on.

06:29:13.540 So UCSB has a feminist studies program.

06:29:18.640 Have you taken any feminism courses?

06:29:20.780 Yes, I have.

06:29:21.600 Okay.

06:29:23.940 How, do you recall the name of the course or-

06:29:26.820 I took Feminist 181, it was Applied Feminist Theory.

06:29:30.740 Was there a more introductory course that you took or that was the only feminist course you

06:29:35.480 took?

06:29:36.040 I took Feminist 62, it was Women of Color.

06:29:40.140 So this used standpoint theory?

06:29:43.460 What was that?

06:29:44.720 Feminist standpoint theory?

06:29:46.340 In the upper division course, yes.

06:29:48.260 I took it as a GE.

06:29:50.180 Okay.

06:29:50.700 Wait, so, but no, like, intro to-

06:29:53.560 Is there an intro to feminism or anything like that?

06:29:55.780 Well, you take the lower-tives before you take upper-tives.

06:29:58.480 The lower-tives are considered your intro course before you get to the upper-tive course.

06:30:02.000 Well, you said the-

06:30:02.680 So you took the color-

06:30:04.540 What is it?

06:30:04.760 Women of Color class is a lower-tive.

06:30:06.920 It's introductory before the higher level one, yes.

06:30:09.000 So you took that one and then you took the Applied Feminism.

06:30:11.960 What is Applied Feminism?

06:30:13.380 What is that?

06:30:14.040 Applied Feminist Theory is applying theories that center around the perspectives of women

06:30:19.600 and using that as a lens to view issues in society.

06:30:23.340 So this can go with any theory.

06:30:25.520 You could do this with Marxist theory, anything.

06:30:28.040 It's just using a theoretical lens to view an issue.

06:30:33.620 In this point, the standpoint lens.

06:30:37.320 Yes.

06:30:38.300 Yeah.

06:30:39.760 Okay.

06:30:40.540 And, I mean, so you took issue with me citing to Wikipedia kind of redirecting toxic femininity

06:30:48.720 to this term, internalized sexism, but isn't this a term that feminists use, internalized

06:30:53.460 sexism or internalized misogyny?

06:30:55.960 Yeah, I have used that.

06:30:57.020 I have heard that term used before.

06:30:58.820 So it's replaced.

06:30:59.760 You don't use internalized, or excuse me, you don't use toxic femininity.

06:31:03.420 You used internalized sexism or misogyny.

06:31:07.780 No, I would probably use toxic femininity, to be honest.

06:31:13.480 Is toxic femininity focused on in feminist studies?

06:31:19.460 I would say yes.

06:31:20.660 More so than toxic masculinity?

06:31:23.180 I would say equally so.

06:31:24.400 Equally so.

06:31:25.200 Yes, I would say so.

06:31:26.400 Okay.

06:31:27.400 And then what are some of the, I mean, do you guys talk about patriarchy theory?

06:31:31.860 Yes.

06:31:32.220 I mean, the whole thing is toxic femininity, ultimately, right?

06:31:35.740 Because it's standpoint theory.

06:31:37.780 So the entire prism or lens in which you're looking at the feminism is only and specifically

06:31:43.520 through the prism of women?

06:31:46.880 It's looking at things through the perspective of women.

06:31:50.240 This would be the same as if, but I will say that the, have any of you guys taken like

06:31:55.740 a feminist theory course at all?

06:31:57.200 No?

06:31:57.600 I'm very familiar.

06:31:59.020 Have you taken like a course or done like personal research?

06:32:03.180 Personal research.

06:32:04.280 Okay.

06:32:04.840 Wait, I have one quick question here.

06:32:06.780 Yes.

06:32:06.960 Um, you said looking at things through the lens of women or looking at things through

06:32:12.500 the perspectives of women.

06:32:14.340 Yes.

06:32:14.660 But that's, that's what standpoint theory is.

06:32:17.220 Yeah.

06:32:17.280 So that, you know, standpoint theory is the prism, the lens in which you're looking at

06:32:20.960 the worldview.

06:32:21.480 In this case, the worldview is only coming from the perspective of women.

06:32:24.760 Um, but like, can this apply to math?

06:32:27.600 Like, is there a woman's?

06:32:28.580 I mean, if you wanted it to, I don't know how it would, but we didn't focus on that.

06:32:32.120 I'm just curious.

06:32:32.780 I don't know.

06:32:33.340 Um, I guess theoretically you could apply it to that.

06:32:35.100 Okay.

06:32:35.500 And so, but, but I, there is, so you, I mean, you've taken these classes.

06:32:39.500 They talk about the patriarchy theory.

06:32:41.300 Is that correct?

06:32:42.120 Yes.

06:32:42.300 They do talk about patriarchy.

06:32:44.200 And so given your experience in these classes, how, what's your sense of, like, can you define

06:32:49.560 what that is?

06:32:50.500 What is the patriarchy?

06:32:51.460 What is the patriarchy theory?

06:32:52.560 Okay.

06:32:53.000 So the patriarchy is essentially the idea that women are inferior to men and it's a

06:32:57.520 set of notions, ideas, institutions that sustain this belief.

06:33:03.540 But I will say too, these classes don't demonize men.

06:33:07.920 I think that's a very common misconception.

06:33:10.400 Well, I, I, okay.

06:33:10.980 I have to follow up with you on that though.

06:33:12.800 So you said also this, uh, this applied feminism thing, it'll look at like Marxism, for example.

06:33:19.340 I use that as another example of how applied theory works.

06:33:23.380 I did not use Marxism in my class.

06:33:25.980 No, that, I'm not, that's not really what I'm getting at, but the, so my understanding

06:33:30.520 with Marxism, it's sort of, uh, it, it looks at things from a lens of oppressor oppressed.

06:33:36.620 Okay.

06:33:38.120 And my view, my understanding of feminism, and you mentioned patriarchy theory, isn't that

06:33:43.460 precisely what patriarchy theory is that women are oppressed and men are the oppressors.

06:33:49.340 I think it's a little more complex than that.

06:33:52.220 I think it's the idea that, so patriarchy isn't women being oppressed.

06:33:57.280 Patriarchy is the idea that men are superior to women.

06:34:04.140 And it's the ideas.

06:34:06.860 Yes.

06:34:07.200 It leads to the oppression of women.

06:34:08.720 Patriarchy itself is not the oppression of women.

06:34:10.980 Patriarchy can take many different forms.

06:34:13.380 It's not always in the sole oppression of women.

06:34:15.760 Okay.

06:34:16.220 But so are women oppressed under a patriarchy?

06:34:19.760 Yes.

06:34:20.320 Okay.

06:34:20.660 And who, who, if women as a group are oppressed, there must be another group that is oppressing

06:34:28.860 the women, which is who?

06:34:30.740 It's oftentimes men, but the way that I have learned about it personally, and this is my

06:34:35.620 understanding of it, I don't think it's your understanding.

06:34:37.660 Are you going to say internalized misogyny, that women have internalized misogyny?

06:34:43.200 Can you please let me finish?

06:34:44.940 Let's let her finish.

06:34:45.920 Go ahead.

06:34:45.960 I would really like to not be interrupted while talking about this.

06:34:48.500 I know you wouldn't, but I just wanted to predict it.

06:34:50.760 That's all.

06:34:51.880 You can hold your predictions until the end.

06:34:53.700 I appreciate it.

06:34:54.720 Well, then it wouldn't be a prediction if I held it till the end.

06:34:58.400 Are you done?

06:34:59.920 I am.

06:35:00.720 Thank you.

06:35:02.120 Essentially, patriarchy is a system of punishments and rewards.

06:35:06.440 Anyone can, women oppress other women in these instances.

06:35:10.260 That is what toxic femininity is.

06:35:12.940 Anyone can benefit off a system of patriarchy.

06:35:16.240 Women will make little tiny digs at other women, and they'll gain slight respect of other

06:35:22.320 men.

06:35:23.160 It comes in many different forms.

06:35:25.060 For example, a woman just talking badly about classic feminine traits, like, oh, that's

06:35:31.760 so girly.

06:35:32.340 Oh, I hate wearing makeup.

06:35:33.460 I would never do that.

06:35:34.440 Women who wear makeup are insecure, da-da-da-da-da.

06:35:36.600 All these things.

06:35:37.720 When women say those things, it gains them some sort of social capital under a system of

06:35:43.960 patriarchy.

06:35:44.960 Anyone can benefit from a system of patriarchy, but it functions off the idea that men are

06:35:50.440 superior to women.

06:35:52.200 So internalized misogyny.

06:35:53.960 Not necessarily, because it's...

06:35:56.960 Well, if women are oppressing other women under a patriarchal system, and they're doing

06:36:00.800 it in order to score points with whoever's in charge of the patriarchy, that would be

06:36:04.300 considered internalized misogyny, right?

06:36:06.380 That's one example of it, but the internalized misogyny is just one aspect of patriarchy.

06:36:11.640 That's not the entire idea.

06:36:12.700 Now, I didn't say that that was the entire aspect of patriarchy.

06:36:15.740 I know.

06:36:16.020 I was just...

06:36:16.420 A specific example of women oppressing other women through the means of patriarchy in order

06:36:21.380 to score points with the patriarchy, that's internalized misogyny, right?

06:36:27.040 Yes.

06:36:27.520 I would say by definition.

06:36:28.760 Do you want to add in?

06:36:29.580 No.

06:36:29.760 So then my prediction was correct.

06:36:33.220 That's why I wanted to get it on record.

06:36:35.640 Okay.

06:36:35.880 So I have a couple follow-up questions on this.

06:36:38.220 So, I mean, you mentioned that women can oftentimes be, say, negative things about other women.

06:36:45.260 I think that's perhaps getting a little bit away from my questioning here, though, because

06:36:48.640 we're talking about patriarchy.

06:36:50.140 I'm not totally sure how that ties in, unless you have an explanation, but...

06:36:56.460 Okay.

06:36:56.820 Yeah, I do have an explanation.

06:36:57.780 Okay.

06:36:58.080 I have some more questions for you afterwards, but go ahead.

06:36:59.840 Okay, so as I've said before, patriarchy isn't just men oppressing women, it's the idea.

06:37:05.860 Women can still hold patriarchal ideas, even as women.

06:37:10.000 Society functions under patriarchal ideals.

06:37:12.920 These things are taught to us since we're young.

06:37:15.440 They're taught to us in many different things, in many different forms.

06:37:18.020 They're taught to us in different behaviors, school, just different societal norms, like...

06:37:22.640 You gotta be a mom, you gotta be a...

06:37:24.840 You gotta be a...

06:37:26.840 You gotta talk in the mic if you're gonna speak.

06:37:28.940 You gotta, like, you know, have, you know, domestic roles, and, like, you're gonna be...

06:37:34.180 I don't know, things like that along that line.

06:37:35.880 Yeah, so...

06:37:36.480 Those...

06:37:37.080 Putting...

06:37:37.680 Like, assigning gender roles at a very young age, like, oh, women are always expected to

06:37:42.560 cook and clean, women are expected to give to child bear, like, all of these things function

06:37:47.460 under a system of patriarchy, and when these behaviors are repeated over time and time

06:37:53.180 again, it sustains this idea.

06:37:55.280 Like, all of these different actions and behaviors and institutions that these ideals are ingrained

06:38:00.780 into, that's what sustains the idea over time.

06:38:04.520 Now...

06:38:04.840 Wait, you...

06:38:05.260 So you mentioned an objection to this view that women should be moms or have children.

06:38:11.420 Isn't that just...

06:38:12.100 Isn't there a biological basis, though?

06:38:14.120 Yes, I think that...

06:38:14.780 For that?

06:38:15.400 Obviously, yes.

06:38:16.140 I'm not denying that.

06:38:17.100 But I think that women should be given the choice of whether they want to be a mom or not.

06:38:20.600 Nobody should be compelled to...

06:38:21.780 Yes, and I think that...

06:38:23.040 But a lot of times in society, like, as a girl, it's assumed by a lot of people that

06:38:28.460 I want to have children.

06:38:30.240 People don't say, oh, would you like to be a mom?

06:38:32.360 They assume that I am going to become a mom one day.

06:38:35.140 That is assumed that that's my natural role as I get older.

06:38:38.100 Can you say the same thing for men?

06:38:40.560 I don't think so in the same way.

06:38:41.880 I think that it's definitely there.

06:38:43.100 It's definitely present.

06:38:43.920 Like, there is still that expectation.

06:38:46.480 But take, for example, like, two stereotypes, right?

06:38:51.280 You have, like, a woman in her 40s who doesn't have children versus a man in his 40s who doesn't

06:38:56.620 have children.

06:38:57.940 When you think of the woman in her 40s, you're like, oh, she's lonely.

06:39:00.900 She's a spinster.

06:39:02.420 She has no purpose.

06:39:03.800 Like, she doesn't have a family.

06:39:04.780 Like, she can't possibly have, like, that inner joy within her life.

06:39:08.260 Think of a man in his 40s.

06:39:09.760 Oh, he'll settle down at some point.

06:39:11.260 He's a bachelor.

06:39:12.260 He's just enjoying his life.

06:39:13.420 Like, all of these things.

06:39:14.440 Do you think there is a biological basis for this?

06:39:17.580 I think at some point, just because of due to, like, the reproductive system, yes.

06:39:22.660 But I do think that a large component is societal.

06:39:26.020 Yeah.

06:39:26.500 I think that that's all bullshit.

06:39:28.820 So here's a good example of why it's bullshit.

06:39:32.400 It ignores ontology.

06:39:35.340 And you know what ontology is.

06:39:37.260 You were taught that in your feminist studies course, right?

06:39:39.880 No, I don't know what that is.

06:39:41.020 Could you?

06:39:41.220 No.

06:39:41.540 You weren't taught ontology in your feminist studies course.

06:39:43.960 They don't ever teach ontology.

06:39:45.660 I'm just being honest.

06:39:46.360 The study of being, meaning that there is a difference between men and women.

06:39:51.580 They're not interchangeable widgets as much as feminists would like to pretend that we are.

06:39:55.600 We each have a separate ontological nature.

06:39:58.880 Our very nature in being is different.

06:40:01.780 This is why these stereotypes exist.

06:40:03.920 They exist because the actual root in which is a man and what is a woman are totally different from one another.

06:40:11.360 And so when you take these loaded terms like patriarchy, what's ignored by feminists is nature.

06:40:19.520 Not nature as in the natural world, but rather the nature of what the thing actually is.

06:40:25.760 Men and women are not the same thing.

06:40:27.920 I never saw that word.

06:40:29.320 And so because, hang on, because of that, we have a different telos, a different purpose.

06:40:33.800 And this is why when people think about purpose and they say, oh, the 40-year-old spinster, this is not something which is socially pressured as much as it is a way for us to understand the nature of women is to make children.

06:40:51.080 This must be the case because there's no other way they can be made.

06:40:54.460 And so, of course, we would see that women who defy their own nature are going to be more miserable than not.

06:41:02.500 Anything which devolves away from its own purpose tends to not be very happy.

06:41:07.920 Do you think that as a woman, my only purpose is to have children?

06:41:12.720 I think it's your ultimate telos.

06:41:15.180 You think that the most fulfilling, joyful experience I could ever have in my life is to have children?

06:41:20.940 As opposed to?

06:41:22.040 Yes.

06:41:22.460 As opposed to anything else.

06:41:23.980 Wait, can I, so let me ask you.

06:41:25.080 Hang on, hang on.

06:41:25.780 Let me finish real quick, Brian.

06:41:27.140 I'll go after you.

06:41:27.780 Let me give you the straight answer.

06:41:28.760 No, I want to hear what you have to say.

06:41:29.880 Yes.

06:41:30.700 And why?

06:41:31.500 Why would I think that?

06:41:32.720 Well, because all of the evidence, which I have and you have, would indicate that that is true.

06:41:38.400 A, can men have children?

06:41:41.020 No.

06:41:42.420 No.

06:41:43.140 Who can?

06:41:44.760 Women.

06:41:45.860 And the primary edict from an evolutionary standpoint is reproduction.

06:41:51.020 Is it not?

06:41:51.980 Well, yeah.

06:41:52.460 Yeah, of course.

06:41:53.200 Nobody's denying that.

06:41:54.820 So then if the primary edict is reproduction, only women can have children, then it seems

06:42:00.240 that the nature and purpose for women ultimately is to be the ones who have children.

06:42:06.240 Otherwise, we go extinct, right?

06:42:08.280 That wouldn't make a lot of sense.

06:42:10.460 Right.

06:42:10.580 So yes, of course, I would tie generally the purpose of the thing to the thing.

06:42:16.300 Yeah.

06:42:17.280 Okay.

06:42:18.300 Are you, you're finished, right?

06:42:20.240 Yeah.

06:42:20.700 Okay.

06:42:21.120 Yeah.

06:42:21.280 That is all absolutely true.

06:42:22.860 There's nothing I can disagree about that.

06:42:24.840 But why, why the need for like zero effort in wanting progress, like wanting more than that?

06:42:33.620 That is...

06:42:34.120 Why, what can be more, what, I don't understand how you can deliver more progress to society

06:42:39.660 than replication.

06:42:41.180 For instance, rocks and non-biological things cannot replicate.

06:42:47.100 You can actually replicate your genetics.

06:42:50.240 You can do that.

06:42:51.220 Yeah, that's a miracle.

06:42:52.440 Solely, solely biological beings only can do this.

06:42:54.900 Yeah, that's a miracle and that's great.

06:42:56.580 And yet, what could ever be a higher purpose than that for a woman?

06:42:59.940 I would actually like to know that.

06:43:01.160 I don't know.

06:43:01.380 What would be a higher purpose for a woman than replication?

06:43:04.300 I personally, if I were to have a child right now, I would not be like, this is the

06:43:08.800 end of it.

06:43:09.380 I'm the happiest I've ever been and this is the happiest I'm ever going to be.

06:43:12.580 How do you know?

06:43:13.100 It's amazing.

06:43:13.640 I know because purpose isn't just like being a mom.

06:43:19.500 There's plenty of other things that fulfill me.

06:43:21.860 No, I'm not.

06:43:23.000 Then how the fuck would you know?

06:43:25.320 Because there's plenty of other things that I have.

06:43:26.860 What are you talking about?

06:43:27.800 I'm talking about the things that have given me purpose, that have fulfilled me and kept

06:43:34.480 me alive and happy and not still wanting to have to be a mom prematurely because,

06:43:43.100 because that's my purpose.

06:43:44.520 So let me ask you very directly, very directly.

06:43:46.880 I have to do it right now or I'm never going to be able to eat.

06:43:48.320 Let me just ask you very directly.

06:43:49.920 What could you ever do in your life that would be more important than replicating your genes?

06:43:55.180 Oh my God.

06:43:55.780 Honestly, if we're going to go into that territory, then like there's plenty of other things.

06:44:01.000 Then there's what?

06:44:02.080 Helping other children that don't have parents, maybe.

06:44:07.200 You mean whose genes have already been replicated?

06:44:08.900 I have my own genes to do that.

06:44:10.440 That comes from like a really selfish way.

06:44:12.120 So somebody else has been able to replicate their genes, but not you?

06:44:15.900 No, but you know, like if there's five children that don't have parents, they have nothing.

06:44:22.060 And then I'm over here wanting to replicate myself in that like selfish state of mind.

06:44:27.840 Why would that be selfish?

06:44:28.640 It's a choice of doing it.

06:44:29.360 It's a bit selfish because you can help this child that is going to die without your...

06:44:35.000 I want to bring it back down.

06:44:35.640 Why can't you help the child and replicate?

06:44:38.700 Your resources are going to have to be...

06:44:39.760 Andrew, I'm going to get things back on track a little bit.

06:44:41.560 Wait, what?

06:44:42.340 Wait, wait.

06:44:43.100 I don't even understand the argument.

06:44:45.160 It's off the rails.

06:44:45.880 So you don't replicate because there's children out there who are in need?

06:44:51.220 Yeah.

06:44:51.840 You don't have to replicate in order to have that feeling of motherhood.

06:44:55.720 Somebody has to replicate, though.

06:44:57.120 If you're talking about purpose...

06:44:58.500 Wait, somebody has to replicate for those children to exist.

06:45:01.660 There's plenty of people replicating all over the fucking world right now.

06:45:05.100 So that's a valid point.

06:45:05.580 So somebody has to replicate, right?

06:45:08.020 Yes, yes.

06:45:09.040 So if that's the case, then still you would still be fulfilling your ultimate purpose,

06:45:13.660 which would be to take care of what is replicated.

06:45:16.480 Hold on.

06:45:17.160 Same thing.

06:45:17.640 You're going to say, where do I begin?

06:45:19.600 Go ahead.

06:45:20.060 Yes.

06:45:20.360 There's a lot of other things that I'm excited to do that I think are my purpose besides childbirth.

06:45:26.140 And personally, speaking from the perspective as a woman, you are not a biological woman.

06:45:33.300 There is a list of things that I am more excited to do than give birth to children at the moment.

06:45:37.420 I'm more excited to...

06:45:38.020 Wait a second.

06:45:38.460 Are you saying that there's a distinction between people who self-identify as women and biological women?

06:45:44.000 No, I'm saying that you're not a biological woman.

06:45:47.040 Well, then I can have the same exact lived experience you do.

06:45:50.960 Do you identify as a woman?

06:45:52.940 It wouldn't matter, would it?

06:45:54.600 All that matters is that I could have the same exact lived experience as you if you make no distinction between the self-ID and the biological.

06:46:03.360 And if you don't, and you said you don't, then you can't say you're not a biological woman, so therefore X.

06:46:09.600 Can I please finish?

06:46:10.720 Yeah, but you can finish after you clarify how it is that you can tell me what my lived experience is when you make no distinction between the biological and whatever my self-ID may be.

06:46:21.400 You know what?

06:46:21.820 I am sorry for assuming your self-ID.

06:46:24.280 That was wrong on my part.

06:46:25.660 So I can have the same exact lived experience as a biological woman, right?

06:46:29.620 Do you think you have the lived experience?

06:46:31.200 That's not my question.

06:46:33.920 What's my question?

06:46:34.840 I could have the same exact experience as a biological woman under your worldview, correct?

06:46:42.560 You're arguing that...

06:46:44.260 Are you going to answer my question?

06:46:46.140 I am answering your question, and I need you to stop interrupting me.

06:46:50.000 Okay, so yes or no, could I have the same experience as a biological woman without being a biological woman under your worldview?

06:47:01.800 Yes or no?

06:47:03.720 If you would let me finish, you would know that I have a...

06:47:06.140 Do you know how to say the word yes, and do you know how to say the word no?

06:47:09.560 That way I know what your position is.

06:47:12.880 Don't obfuscate.

06:47:14.300 Don't bullshit me.

06:47:15.300 Just say yes or no.

06:47:17.120 And if it's no, then you can qualify, and if it's yes, you can qualify.

06:47:22.260 Can I please speak?

06:47:27.660 I would like to speak my answer without being interrupted.

06:47:33.500 Go ahead.

06:47:37.280 Here is my perspective.

06:47:38.480 You are arguing, right, that as a biological woman, due to my hormones, my purpose,

06:47:45.940 the greatest, most fulfilling thing in my life is having children, right?

06:47:51.120 And multiplying.

06:47:52.080 I want you...

06:47:52.820 You're not answering my question.

06:47:54.100 I'm clarifying your point before I do.

06:47:56.080 You just asked me a question.

06:47:57.760 You just asked me a question.

06:47:59.520 You didn't answer my question, so I'm going to ask you again.

06:48:02.740 Under your worldview, can I have, by self-identifying as a woman,

06:48:08.260 the same exact experience that you have as a biological woman or not?

06:48:13.160 I think it's more complex than that.

06:48:15.520 Is it okay for me to say that?

06:48:16.200 You got to speak into the mic or I can't hear you.

06:48:18.280 I think it's personally more complex than that,

06:48:20.420 and I quite honestly don't have a yes or no answer,

06:48:23.260 and I think it's more subjective on a case-to-case basis.

06:48:26.540 Right.

06:48:26.820 And I'm sorry if that answers...

06:48:27.820 So you don't know.

06:48:28.640 So you don't even know if there's a distinction between someone who's a biological woman

06:48:32.000 or someone who just self-IDs.

06:48:33.520 How can you use the fact that you're a biological woman as an argument then?

06:48:38.800 I personally, I have tried to explain my point,

06:48:43.380 and I have tried to explain to you that I do not think that this is a yes or no question.

06:48:47.420 I think that it is simply on a case-to-case basis.

06:48:50.280 It's not black and white.

06:48:51.740 I think it's a little more complex than that.

06:48:53.860 And it's okay if that answer is not satisfied.

06:48:55.560 The concept is too complex for my feeble mind to comprehend

06:48:59.300 that you can't say yes or no to a direct question.

06:49:03.940 Now, I'd like to demonstrate for you the distinction between the two of us.

06:49:08.040 You can go ahead and ask me the same exact question,

06:49:10.760 and I will say yes or I will say no and then give my qualifier.

06:49:16.200 Because either one's true or it's not true.

06:49:20.040 Can I please continue?

06:49:22.440 You were done.

06:49:23.200 It was my turn to speak.

06:49:25.520 I have something else to say.

06:49:28.100 I have some questions too.

06:49:29.720 Yeah, I could ask a couple.

06:49:30.860 Yeah, if you want to be brought back in there, probably, yeah.

06:49:32.740 I could throw a couple questions out there.

06:49:38.420 Are you going to?

06:49:39.580 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:49:41.520 I thought Andrew had more.

06:49:43.520 You got more, Andrew?

06:49:44.200 What you got?

06:49:44.500 I mean, I do.

06:49:45.380 I would like to actually go through this

06:49:47.300 because I don't understand how you make the argument.

06:49:49.560 You're not a biological woman, therefore blank.

06:49:51.900 Because by your worldview, if I have, if I just self-ID'd as being the thing,

06:49:59.180 and then claimed I had the same experience that a biological woman has,

06:50:03.000 even if I claim that it's the overly masculine experience that I'm used to,

06:50:07.580 you could have no argument against that unless you are making the distinction between a biological woman and a self-ID'd woman.

06:50:14.860 Are you making the distinction between the two?

06:50:17.920 Andrew, what I was going to say is that I do not think this concept is too complex for you to understand.

06:50:23.400 That's not what I'm getting at here.

06:50:24.960 I think that this topic in itself is so complex that I personally, me, speaking, like truly, do not have a yes or no answer.

06:50:37.500 I'm not saying that I don't have an answer for you.

06:50:39.580 I just don't have an answer.

06:50:41.220 I solely don't.

06:50:42.340 Well, I can't.

06:50:42.980 We're not going to get bogged.

06:50:44.520 So assume for a second, let me just make sure I got this right,

06:50:49.340 and then sure, I'll turn it over to Brian for whatever he wants.

06:50:52.260 I just want to make sure I got this right.

06:50:53.600 Like, you are unsure whether or not, based on just self-ID,

06:51:01.480 I could or could not have the same experiences as a biological woman.

06:51:06.340 I just want to make sure that we got that on record.

06:51:08.780 It's not that I'm unsure.

06:51:10.180 I think it's more dependent on a case-to-case basis.

06:51:13.400 That's all I'm saying.

06:51:14.680 And I'm not saying that the topic is too complex for you to understand.

06:51:18.540 I think you fully understand it.

06:51:20.160 That's not what I'm getting at here.

06:51:21.480 I'm not trying to, like, invalidate your opinion.

06:51:25.980 I'm not.

06:51:26.640 Well, we can't stay bogged down on this for too long.

06:51:31.760 I agree.

06:51:31.980 So I have a couple questions I'd like to ask.

06:51:35.360 So when Andrew was talking about, you know,

06:51:38.220 this being perhaps the ultimate thing that a woman could do in her life,

06:51:41.840 and you said, well, I have plenty of things.

06:51:43.840 I don't know specifically what you said.

06:51:45.580 You said there's plenty of things that I can begin.

06:51:49.560 I can clarify for you.

06:51:51.400 I remember what I said.

06:51:52.280 I said there are plenty of things that I'm more looking forward to than childbirth

06:51:56.580 and reproducing and multiplying my own genes right now.

06:52:02.380 I can personally think of many things.

06:52:03.740 Yeah, what are some of those?

06:52:04.820 Okay.

06:52:05.160 I want to live abroad right now, so I'm more afforded.

06:52:07.700 At my current place in life right now, I am more looking forward to living abroad,

06:52:11.900 going to grad school, graduating from grad school, meeting a future partner,

06:52:16.400 doing all of these things, and I have another question to pose.

06:52:23.420 If someone were unable to have biological children, right,

06:52:27.960 would you still argue that her greatest purpose in life is to reproduce?

06:52:32.820 Would you still argue that?

06:52:34.720 Well, I wasn't really making the argument, but she's incapable of reproducing,

06:52:38.220 so if she can't reproduce, she can't reproduce,

06:52:41.520 so she could go off and find something else.

06:52:44.720 But I guess my question to you is, one, you could do all of those things

06:52:50.740 and also have children, but I guess what I often hear is when it comes to

06:52:57.360 there are better things than having children, it's typically in pursuit of a career.

06:53:03.120 I think that is a common argument.

06:53:04.620 I think that it honestly is subjective.

06:53:07.740 I myself personally have never had the desire to have children,

06:53:11.700 if I'm being fully honest.

06:53:13.160 Sure, that's fine, but I guess, do you think?

06:53:16.460 But I'm not saying that some women's purpose isn't to be moms.

06:53:19.580 I think that's totally fine.

06:53:21.460 I know some people who enjoy motherhood, it's the thing that they're meant to do,

06:53:25.880 and I'm not trying to invalidate that.

06:53:27.480 I think that women should just simply have the choice if that is what they want to do or not.

06:53:32.440 Right.

06:53:33.080 Yeah, I don't think we're making the argument that they shouldn't have the choice.

06:53:36.520 I think the argument we're trying to make, it is probably the most selfless and most altruistic

06:53:42.940 and most impactful thing they could do upon the world is reproduce, have children, be a mother.

06:53:50.740 Would you, here's another counter thing.

06:53:53.240 Say I didn't have children biologically, I adopted, and I saved kids from like an instance where they're refugees,

06:54:01.840 they don't have the proper resources, they don't have social provisions given to them,

06:54:05.160 and I give them a life in a developed nation,

06:54:08.520 and I provide them all the loving care that a biological mother possibly could,

06:54:13.340 would you argue that that's still just as altruistic and selfless?

06:54:17.020 It would be noble.

06:54:17.620 Sure, but somebody else had to do the replicating.

06:54:20.740 So the thing is, somebody still had to replicate and fulfill their highest purpose

06:54:25.200 in order for you to then fulfill your highest purpose.

06:54:27.580 Yes, I'm not denying that a woman has to bear children, but, okay.

06:54:35.240 Anyways.

06:54:36.180 Wait, so, okay, look, I'll just kind of get to the point here.

06:54:39.420 So do you think working for some nameless corporation and being a worker drone is generally more fulfilling than having children?

06:54:49.460 I think that for some women, if they find a career that they are extremely passionate about, yes, it could.

06:54:54.440 Do you think most women have careers they're passionate about?

06:54:58.160 I think that I wish they did.

06:54:59.840 I think it's really hard to find something that you're that passionate about and be able to turn it into a living.

06:55:04.340 I would argue that that's not my purpose in life.

06:55:06.980 I don't think that is a lot of people's purpose in life.

06:55:11.240 But like how you said earlier, like.

06:55:13.760 What do you want to do for work?

06:55:15.080 What do I want to do for work?

06:55:15.960 I want to be a lawyer.

06:55:17.260 A lawyer.

06:55:18.380 Okay.

06:55:18.720 What kind of law?

06:55:19.720 I want to go into employment law and I want to deal with, like, workers' comp cases.

06:55:24.960 Okay.

06:55:25.260 And do you think that, you know, when you're on your deathbed and you're looking back, do you think that you'll think, you know, in comparison, if you had children, do you think it would be more fond memories of having children around you?

06:55:40.600 Or when you're in your old age, if you have children, grandchildren, do you think that would be kind of more desirable than, like, looking back on the fond memories of that employment lawsuit that you just scorched?

06:55:54.320 You killed it.

06:55:55.160 Well, obviously not, but I think it's a little, I think it's a very broad assumption to assume that I won't be surrounded with children in a different sense.

06:56:07.540 Like, my little brother wants to have children.

06:56:09.900 I'm looking forward to being an aunt.

06:56:10.920 I love kids.

06:56:11.820 I do.

06:56:12.320 I work as a nanny.

06:56:13.580 I work with a three-year-old and an eight-year-old right now.

06:56:16.380 I want to volunteer as a teacher abroad for a few years.

06:56:19.160 It's not that I don't love children.

06:56:20.740 I think that they're amazing.

06:56:22.100 I love being able to see things through the perspective of someone who's seeing it with fresh eyes.

06:56:26.200 I think it's such an amazing thing.

06:56:27.820 I'm not denying that.

06:56:29.020 And I would love to, like, be an aunt.

06:56:31.540 I would love to volunteer with children in the future.

06:56:33.840 I personally just don't think being a mother is for me.

06:56:36.540 All right.

06:56:36.920 So, hold on, hold on.

06:56:38.480 So, okay.

06:56:39.440 I think one of the criticisms of feminism is I don't think most people actually have any objections to, look, if a given women, you know, they don't want to have children or they'd rather pursue a career.

06:56:51.280 They're over starting a family.

06:56:53.120 I don't think anyone really cares.

06:56:54.780 I think one of the criticisms of feminism is its actual attack on women who do choose to have families and who want to, for example, go have kids, be a mom, be a stay-at-home mom.

06:57:07.180 Yeah.

06:57:07.520 They think that that's some sort of form of oppression.

06:57:11.460 Oh, I don't think it is.

06:57:12.840 I think it's solely, and I've said this term so many times, I think it's a case-to-case basis.

06:57:17.980 Well, sure.

06:57:18.320 Anyways, I do, I'm going to move it on a little bit here.

06:57:20.720 Just one last question, if you don't mind.

06:57:22.480 And then Mason had something quick, though.

06:57:23.280 On the topic of altruism, let me ask you a question.

06:57:27.300 Because you brought up the idea of altruism, would you agree with me that highly educated and intelligent women tend to actually procreate less than people who are in poor socioeconomic conditions and have less intelligence?

06:57:41.380 That's a rough line.

06:57:46.480 I don't know.

06:57:46.740 No, it's not rough.

06:57:47.660 I mean, it's poor people reproduce more than rich people do, generally speaking.

06:57:54.340 And especially upper class people, that is just the case.

06:57:59.280 That could be related to resources and...

06:58:05.100 Yeah, I'm not disputing any of that.

06:58:07.120 It could be related to all sorts of things.

06:58:08.920 But it is a fact that...

06:58:09.380 Like education levels and, like, opportunity to find other things that you find from...

06:58:16.120 Generally, the more educated a person is, the less they procreate.

06:58:19.340 Yeah, I disagree.

06:58:20.280 This is the truth.

06:58:21.320 Go ahead.

06:58:21.640 The reason I asked this question...

06:58:25.080 Well, I'm sorry.

06:58:26.140 He was moving it along.

06:58:27.100 I didn't mean to cut you off.

06:58:28.000 Go ahead.

06:58:28.160 It's okay.

06:58:28.480 I understand.

06:58:29.260 And I...

06:58:29.980 It's okay.

06:58:31.100 Oh, yeah.

06:58:31.700 So...

06:58:31.940 I agree there is a...

06:58:32.560 Okay.

06:58:33.040 Well, my bad.

06:58:34.140 I'm sorry.

06:58:34.940 One of us has to go, so you go.

06:58:36.260 It's hard over Zoom, I understand.

06:58:38.060 But I don't mean to cut you off, either.

06:58:40.400 I think there is a correlation between education and higher levels of employment.

06:58:44.320 That being said, it's also because these people with higher education have better insurance, better access to health care, more access to birth control.

06:58:51.140 I think that also is a factor in it.

06:58:52.860 And they have less children.

06:58:54.260 Yes, I do think they have less children.

06:58:55.680 Yeah.

06:58:56.080 It's seen in...

06:58:56.680 So here's the thing.

06:58:57.460 Wouldn't...

06:58:57.900 So then what you're doing, right, if you're truly altruistic, wouldn't you want the children of the future to be the smartest?

06:59:05.140 And if you wanted them to be the smartest, shouldn't you be reproducing more than the Thomas people are?

06:59:09.960 I don't think it's an...

06:59:11.640 I mean...

06:59:12.360 I think it's more resources than genetics, personally.

06:59:15.620 I am not...

06:59:16.540 I'm going to be honest.

06:59:17.220 I'm not personally well-versed in this subject.

06:59:19.440 So take whatever I'm saying with a grain of salt right now.

06:59:21.900 I'm not acting like I know everything on this subject.

06:59:25.040 I think that if a child was to have the proper education, proper environment to develop, a good childhood versus impeccable genetics, I think that that would pay a bigger role.

06:59:36.800 Yeah, I'm not even talking about genetics.

06:59:38.240 I'm just saying that if it were even so that it's resources-based, and it must be because nourishment, for instance, correlates with IQ.

06:59:46.940 If you're young and you're malnourished, your brain is...

06:59:50.360 You know, it becomes deformed, literally.

06:59:53.440 Yes.

06:59:53.700 It doesn't grow to its potential.

06:59:55.700 So this is a massive problem.

06:59:58.180 But to hone in here, if you have the best and brightest women who are out there in the workforce instead of procreating, regardless of if it is due to resources or genetics, the future generations are going to be dumber than the previous generations, right?

07:00:12.600 I mean, I would like to say...

07:00:15.160 Hang on, hang on.

07:00:15.560 Let her answer.

07:00:16.120 I would argue that there's different ways in order to impact a child's upbringing than just being their mother.

07:00:23.780 And I don't think, too, that...

07:00:25.300 That's not an answer to my question.

07:00:28.520 It really isn't.

07:00:29.580 That's a total evasion of my question.

07:00:31.900 If the people who have the resources and are the best and the brightest and the smartest women, if we're wasting them in the workforce instead of them reproducing, how are we not going to end up with dumber generations of children?

07:00:43.060 I do see your point a little bit here.

07:00:46.440 I think you do have a valid argument.

07:00:48.080 And I will say, like, I respect your argument.

07:00:50.540 My thing is that, on average, it's not...

07:00:54.280 I think it's...

07:00:56.280 That's not what we're seeing is happening here.

07:00:58.280 I think that, on average, more educated women with higher salaries do tend to have less children, on average, right?

07:01:05.140 That doesn't mean they're not having children.

07:01:06.880 So future generations are going to be smarter or less smart?

07:01:10.200 I think it more so depends on the resources that you have accessible to you.

07:01:14.740 It depends on the school district that you're living in.

07:01:17.660 I think it depends on...

07:01:19.480 I guess what Angie's trying to get to is, like, if those women who are smart, educated, have the most resources, therefore they should be having the most children because they have the most resources, education to train them up and create a bright future for us all.

07:01:37.240 Why would I want to waste the best and the brightest of the only people who can replicate their genetics going and working for a boss in some fucking cubicle when they could be reproducing the next generation of women who can then reproduce the best and the brightest and the best, et cetera, et cetera?

07:01:55.380 Like, that seems absurd to me.

07:01:56.820 But don't you see a lot of cases where, like, there are families that are in that position and can but don't, right?

07:02:05.160 But those people that do, their children are worse than the children that, like, that doesn't necessarily have to do with...

07:02:15.600 I swear to God, it has nothing to do with that because those smart people can't have children and their children won't end up how you want it to be because they're bad parents.

07:02:31.320 That's great. Thank you for that.

07:02:32.480 They could be awful parents.

07:02:33.360 You need to watch the movie Idiocracy.

07:02:35.280 You'll understand everything.

07:02:36.820 All right, so, okay.

07:02:37.640 It's not that hard to understand.

07:02:39.060 It's hard to understand if you've never been in a situation or a different country.

07:02:42.440 I grew up in a country where...

07:02:43.960 Cool. Yep.

07:02:44.680 Heard you.

07:02:45.260 Good, good, good, good.

07:02:46.780 Okay, let's bring it back to patriarchy.

07:02:48.720 We kind of derailed there a little bit, but it was good.

07:02:52.900 So, I guess some quick questions here.

07:02:55.320 Do we currently live in the patriarchy?

07:02:57.500 I would say patriarchy is not a physical place.

07:03:02.460 So, in that sense, no, but yes, we do live under a patriarchal society.

07:03:06.000 Yes.

07:03:06.340 Okay.

07:03:06.780 And under patriarchy, are women oppressed?

07:03:09.880 I would say yes.

07:03:11.540 Okay.

07:03:12.260 Under patriarchy, are men oppressors?

07:03:15.060 Not always.

07:03:15.800 I think that sometimes, yes, but also, like I was explaining earlier, women can also be

07:03:20.360 oppressors.

07:03:21.040 Okay.

07:03:21.420 So, but you did say that women are oppressed under patriarchy.

07:03:23.780 Yeah, but I also think that sometimes, too, men can be oppressed by toxic, like, ideals

07:03:27.780 of toxic masculinity as well.

07:03:29.540 Okay.

07:03:30.180 So, are you oppressed?

07:03:32.000 I would say, relative to other populations, no.

07:03:36.980 I'm a white, cis woman.

07:03:38.220 I have experienced different forms of sexism, patriarchal norms that have affected me and

07:03:44.220 had, like, that have classified as a form of oppression.

07:03:48.760 Would I say that I would, the category I'd put myself into as oppressed?

07:03:52.800 It's hard for me to say.

07:03:56.320 I think that, as a woman, I experience these forms of oppression that the average man wouldn't.

07:04:03.400 Such as?

07:04:04.820 Such as, can I use just two letters?

07:04:09.600 Sure.

07:04:09.860 SA, DV, those occur to women at much, much higher rates.

07:04:14.720 They can still occur to men, but those are issues that women experience at their rates.

07:04:18.040 It's not clear to me, wouldn't that be something that occurs on the individual level?

07:04:22.060 How would it be evidence of oppression?

07:04:24.300 Because typically, you're thinking of, like, a system would be oppressing you, or a government

07:04:28.920 would be oppressing you, or the patriarchy would be oppressing you.

07:04:32.760 But it's not clear to me, so you said DV and you said SA, I don't see how that's necessarily

07:04:39.520 evidence of oppression.

07:04:41.140 Okay.

07:04:42.040 I can explain my logic behind it if you'd like to.

07:04:44.380 Are you saying that there's a culture, there's a SA culture?

07:04:49.940 Yes, there is.

07:04:50.740 There is.

07:04:51.120 I would argue that patriarchy and this system of ideas, I would argue personally that the

07:04:57.880 way that it sustains things like DV and SA is because it teaches men that they are the

07:05:03.440 ones in power, right?

07:05:04.360 And when they don't feel in power, sometimes there are instances where they need to feel

07:05:08.280 in control and need to feel in power, and those things will happen.

07:05:12.640 All men?

07:05:13.240 What percentage of men?

07:05:14.300 Not all men.

07:05:14.640 What percentage of men, though?

07:05:16.280 I don't know the exact percentage off the top of my head, but...

07:05:18.980 Well, you're kind of...

07:05:20.060 I mean, isn't this just sexist on its face because you're essentially just pathologizing

07:05:24.760 all men?

07:05:25.740 No, I'm not.

07:05:26.620 Not all men, not all men engage in this.

07:05:28.900 You're saying these men are inclined to violence and SA.

07:05:33.080 That's pathologizing men.

07:05:34.960 I'm saying that the notions of patriarchy lead to men committing SA and DV at higher

07:05:43.420 rates than women.

07:05:43.960 Can I ask you...

07:05:44.400 Okay, so you say we have a culture, we have an...

07:05:48.400 I mean, I can't use the word, but we have an SA culture.

07:05:52.200 Our word, culture.

07:05:53.880 Yes.

07:05:54.000 I've heard this term, right?

07:05:54.940 But if you look at prison populations, for example, you can be in there for murder, for

07:06:01.440 example, and be just fine.

07:06:03.960 If you're in there among the other inmates and you've been accused of some sort of sex

07:06:08.040 crime, you're going to be targeted by criminals for reprisal, for attack, for violence, etc.

07:06:16.700 So even among criminals, men who commit sex crimes are...

07:06:23.200 They have to be put in protective custody.

07:06:25.440 So even...

07:06:26.320 How can you say that we live in a culture where this is deemed as okay when actually it's...

07:06:33.100 I think a lot of men would actually prefer to be accused of murder than to be accused of

07:06:41.520 SA.

07:06:42.200 What I would argue with that is that we don't live in a culture where it's okay.

07:06:48.700 We live in a culture where it's often swept under the rug and it's allowed in very nuanced

07:06:54.020 ways.

07:06:55.100 I would argue that...

07:06:56.340 Yes, I agree with your point that most men would rather be convicted of murder than that.

07:07:00.900 Yes.

07:07:01.200 But that also you have to realize is that's been a more recent shift within our culture.

07:07:05.920 Kind of as recent as feminism has been injected?

07:07:09.220 I was going to say more so recently with the Me Too movement.

07:07:12.400 Recently shown or talked about.

07:07:15.380 Recently we've seen SA and DV cases been taken much more seriously in recent years.

07:07:21.140 So I would argue that treating prison...

07:07:24.660 Like the prison example that you presented might be a result of that.

07:07:28.520 I'm not exactly sure, to be honest.

07:07:30.520 I think it's okay for me to admit that I don't have this all figured out here.

07:07:34.500 So let's bring it to DV.

07:07:36.120 So you mentioned that women suffer higher rates of DV.

07:07:39.180 Yes.

07:07:39.900 But Andrew, and perhaps you have the stats on this.

07:07:42.040 I've heard you make this argument.

07:07:43.140 I'm familiar with these statistics.

07:07:45.400 Is that I believe when it comes to where the domestic violence is one directional, I

07:07:51.640 believe this is the case.

07:07:52.880 When it's one directional, they actually found that women victimized men more than men victimized

07:07:58.200 women.

07:07:59.080 When you're using the term victimization, what does that refer to specifically?

07:08:03.200 They were referring to unwarranted assaults, unwarranted touching, and unwarranted non-consenting

07:08:11.060 engagements.

07:08:12.880 Do you think that's because women have been told that it's not okay for them to come forward

07:08:17.220 at all?

07:08:18.000 Do you think it's because...

07:08:18.700 No, no, no.

07:08:19.120 This is against men.

07:08:20.400 Are you talking about like violence against men perpetrated by women?

07:08:24.060 Yes.

07:08:24.720 What I'm saying is...

07:08:25.320 Not just violence, but also SA.

07:08:27.620 Right.

07:08:27.980 So the rates of SA against men are generally much higher than it is against women.

07:08:37.680 It just depends on how we are going to utilize these metrics.

07:08:40.980 Women seem to engage in unwanted touching of men far more often than men do of women.

07:08:46.060 It's just that men seem to not care as much, which is interesting.

07:08:50.040 They just seem to not care as much.

07:08:51.620 However, women seem to care a lot more.

07:08:55.080 They seem to care a lot more about it.

07:08:57.120 However, it's still unwanted, right?

07:08:59.540 It's just that nobody cares that men didn't want the unwanted touching.

07:09:03.400 They just don't care.

07:09:04.260 I don't think it comes down to them not...

07:09:05.960 So I actually have the statistics here on this.

07:09:08.280 I can give you an easy, logical example if you don't believe me.

07:09:12.340 If you have ever seen in public, for instance, a man walk over to a woman and maybe just put

07:09:18.260 his hand on her back and rub her back a little bit.

07:09:21.000 That's unwanted touching.

07:09:22.520 Yeah.

07:09:23.540 It's taken seriously.

07:09:25.000 People really will hone in on it.

07:09:27.160 However, if the role is reversed and a woman does that to a man, nobody gives a shit.

07:09:32.940 They don't care.

07:09:33.780 I personally don't believe that, but I think the cause of that problem being this big is

07:09:39.880 because of lack of communication.

07:09:43.120 What?

07:09:44.840 Try and really think a little deeper into it because it's not being communicated.

07:09:49.160 Well, let's think a little deeper.

07:09:49.780 I'll give you an example.

07:09:50.680 It's not being communicated first of all.

07:09:52.120 If you go out on the street tomorrow and I'll bet you up.

07:09:54.520 I understand what you're saying.

07:09:55.280 Well, I can't bet because it's YouTube, but I would give you, if I was wrong about this,

07:10:00.220 $500, if you were to take Brian and take you out to the street tomorrow, and Brian walked

07:10:06.540 over to 50 different women, walked over to them randomly, and just patted them on the

07:10:11.320 back and started rubbing it, and then you went over to 50 random men, patted them on the

07:10:17.180 back, and started rubbing their back, which do you think would have a more negative response?

07:10:21.920 I mean, it's obvious, but why?

07:10:25.020 Wait, wait.

07:10:25.680 It's obvious.

07:10:26.920 It's obvious.

07:10:27.700 Of course, it's going to be, yes, the women, you're right.

07:10:31.300 I agree with what you're saying.

07:10:33.960 I think the, well, I'm trying to tell you.

07:10:37.060 Aren't both of those essay?

07:10:39.180 I'm sorry.

07:10:39.780 Yes.

07:10:40.420 Yes, it is.

07:10:41.200 Men, no, why, so how come nobody gives a shit about men?

07:10:44.560 Why do they not give a shit about it?

07:10:44.880 How come nobody gives a shit about women essaying?

07:10:46.760 Why don't they care?

07:10:46.980 They don't give a shit about it because it's not communicated that that is a problem to men.

07:10:51.800 They hide that fact and make it seem like, I don't know, I don't even know why people

07:10:59.120 do that.

07:10:59.540 So is it a problem if, so is it not a problem if women don't communicate it?

07:11:03.580 So is the communication the issue, or is the essay the issue?

07:11:07.340 To me, a lot of it does have to do with the communication of that.

07:11:11.000 Like, you need to be clear about your boundaries, and nobody is going to know.

07:11:16.020 We're talking about total strangers, I'm confused.

07:11:18.040 We're talking about total strangers here.

07:11:19.940 So hold on, Nick, pull up the infographic.

07:11:22.880 Okay.

07:11:23.280 You're going to have to move the chat, but.

07:11:25.160 Because that's.

07:11:26.240 So you have here, so there's reciprocal inter-partner violence and non-reciprocal inter-partner violence.

07:11:34.120 So reciprocal, they're both fucking beating on each other.

07:11:36.420 Non-reciprocal, that's where one's beating on the other.

07:11:38.800 The other is not reciprocating.

07:11:40.320 So they actually found in non-reciprocal inter-partner violence that women are much

07:11:45.840 more likely to be the sole aggressor when it comes to domestic violence.

07:11:53.260 But let me quickly point out, just to kind of wrap this up, that what you just got done

07:11:58.780 saying would be a thing that you would rage against, which is, well, wait a second, you

07:12:04.120 kept it to yourself, and you didn't speak up?

07:12:07.000 You must have wanted it.

07:12:08.300 How would that sound the other direction if a man said to you, oh, you didn't speak up?

07:12:15.820 You didn't say anything?

07:12:16.720 You must have wanted it.

07:12:18.160 Yeah, they do.

07:12:18.760 That actually does happen.

07:12:20.180 That's the whole point.

07:12:20.980 That's the whole reason.

07:12:21.620 Yeah, and you would be against it, right?

07:12:22.080 Yeah, but the difference is also, like, when we do try to communicate it, it's not taken

07:12:29.580 seriously, nor is it, it's, those things get in the way.

07:12:33.260 Really?

07:12:33.280 Because I thought the argument we were just having is that now it's taken far more seriously.

07:12:37.460 Yeah, I'm pretty sure we voice it a little, at least a little bit more than men, that we

07:12:41.920 don't like certain things quicker than, quicker than.

07:12:43.320 So it's men's fault that if women S.A. them, and they don't speak up, it's them.

07:12:49.660 But if the roles are reversed, and women don't speak up, they're a victim, right?

07:12:53.540 No, no, no, it's, it's an equal, it's an equal thing.

07:12:55.880 Okay, I got, I'm sorry, I'm going to bring it back to her, so, okay.

07:12:58.540 Okay, so we were talking about oppression, aside from the two examples that you provided,

07:13:06.060 which it's not clear to me immediately that that's evidence of oppression, is there anything

07:13:10.860 else?

07:13:11.960 Of oppression for me?

07:13:13.060 Well, you said how you've been oppressed, yeah.

07:13:15.080 How I've been oppressed?

07:13:16.940 Because you said women are oppressed, and I asked how you're oppressed.

07:13:20.980 I, I know that you don't view that as an oppression, as a form of oppression.

07:13:25.300 I would argue that, personally, those are, because they are systemic.

07:13:29.960 I know.

07:13:30.540 How are they systemic?

07:13:32.560 I've explained this a couple times, but it's just the idea that these are.

07:13:36.220 So is the government sending out, like.

07:13:38.740 Things can be systemic without being related to the government.

07:13:42.220 There are systemic processes that occur, there are processes that replicate themselves over

07:13:46.700 and over again, that have nothing to do with the government.

07:13:49.580 But I just, so I just showed you, I just showed you data that indicates that when it comes

07:13:53.860 to non-recipical.

07:13:55.300 Was, was from.

07:13:56.320 It was from the CDC.

07:13:57.540 But it was, it was from a while ago.

07:13:59.480 And domestic violence rates have actually decreased since then.

07:14:03.460 I would like to see another source, if I'm being honest, before we go solely based off

07:14:07.380 of one.

07:14:07.940 I feel like.

07:14:08.420 Well, all violent crimes have decreased.

07:14:11.120 All.

07:14:11.960 Not just domestic.

07:14:12.800 But, so, it's not like.

07:14:16.280 So, are you saying that women are cis, there's a systemic thing against men when it comes

07:14:20.680 to non-recipical inter-partner violence?

07:14:25.280 Could you repeat the question?

07:14:26.460 Well, I mean, using the infographic that I showed, which was a CDC study, it showed that

07:14:32.740 when it came to non-recipical inter-partner violence, that men were the victims in 70%

07:14:37.960 of cases, which would indicate that in that context, women are much more likely to be

07:14:43.700 the aggressor.

07:14:45.480 I think that when you're looking at data like that, you have to realize that women have

07:14:49.160 been told not to come forward with these things.

07:14:51.520 The majority.

07:14:52.060 No, it's, you can make that same argument.

07:14:55.060 That data is relying off of solely reported cases.

07:14:59.280 It doesn't.

07:15:00.020 Do you think.

07:15:00.440 Hold on.

07:15:00.940 Wait, hold up.

07:15:01.640 Do you make the same argument about men?

07:15:03.160 Do you really think.

07:15:03.920 Wait, hold up.

07:15:04.560 Do you really think men are more likely to come forward with essay cases?

07:15:09.600 I'm saying that women.

07:15:11.040 Much less likely.

07:15:12.180 So, this problem.

07:15:12.660 Exactly.

07:15:13.060 That's a problem.

07:15:13.940 The statistics are probably worse than what is reported.

07:15:17.400 I'm not arguing that.

07:15:17.640 I'm just talking about women solely right now.

07:15:19.840 I'm not arguing that.

07:15:20.820 Right, but if we're doing a comparison here, you could actually just make the argument

07:15:24.560 that there's actually a, like, the man will look like a bitch if he goes to the police

07:15:29.700 and is like, my girl hit me.

07:15:31.520 My girl slapped me.

07:15:32.380 That's a bad way to, that's a bad way to put it.

07:15:34.960 But it's real.

07:15:35.640 That's the reason.

07:15:36.900 It's honest.

07:15:37.540 It's reality.

07:15:38.540 I don't understand.

07:15:39.080 Yeah, but that's not supporting a very healthy.

07:15:42.620 Most essay is also self-reported from women.

07:15:45.640 Yeah.

07:15:45.820 Okay, if we're talking about the DV part of the conversation, like, I can say that I

07:15:54.820 know a lot of women personally, unfortunately, that have been more violent towards men, and

07:16:01.880 I never condoned it.

07:16:04.060 Like, that's not okay, obviously.

07:16:05.680 But on the other side of the argument, we were asking her, like, in what areas does

07:16:09.420 that, like, come out where we're oppressed in that sense?

07:16:14.780 Like, it's, one example I personally can go to straight up is, like, career-wise, in

07:16:21.640 any career, if you want to, let's say, even in music, right?

07:16:27.460 Taylor Swift, the highest earning.

07:16:29.360 No, no, no, listen, listen.

07:16:30.400 If you were to, if you as a man, to get in the industry.

07:16:34.000 Oh, but okay.

07:16:34.740 Okay, whatever.

07:16:35.360 I'll engage.

07:16:35.980 Okay, go ahead.

07:16:36.080 You can make sense of it whenever you want.

07:16:38.060 Okay, but, I mean, you're talking about music, but okay, go ahead.

07:16:40.720 Yeah, it's in the music industry.

07:16:42.840 Like, if I were to enter that.

07:16:44.200 Women are, women are not succeeding in the music industry?

07:16:47.220 Just listen, my love.

07:16:48.280 Look, I will, it will take a longer time for me to want to, to get to a successful part

07:16:55.520 in my career, because I have to deal with, and I have, with people, like, that I have

07:17:01.220 to work with producers and things like that, that will only present an opportunity to me

07:17:06.620 if there were something extra involved, and if that was not.

07:17:11.420 Okay, you're talking about the casting couch.

07:17:12.940 I mean, that's very relevant.

07:17:14.780 Wouldn't that be helpful?

07:17:14.880 Wouldn't, I mean, I'm not saying it's right, but wouldn't that actually get you in rooms?

07:17:18.160 Yeah.

07:17:18.840 Hold on, let me finish.

07:17:19.560 Get me in rooms where I have to do something I don't want to do to get one another man

07:17:23.660 No, but I'm saying, no, you don't even have to do anything.

07:17:24.160 You can just be a young, beautiful, attractive woman, and you can maneuver.

07:17:27.000 It doesn't work out all like that.

07:17:27.860 Stop interrupting.

07:17:28.500 You can actually, for me to, like, be able to get in a room with somebody who's really

07:17:33.720 high status, I have to be a somebody.

07:17:36.060 Yeah.

07:17:36.220 As a woman, you can be in a room with a fucking, some major musician.

07:17:41.120 I have been in those situations.

07:17:43.000 Who's the most famous you've been in a room with?

07:17:48.100 Rick Rubin.

07:17:49.700 But he hasn't personally tried to, he hasn't personally tried to do anything to me, but

07:17:53.740 I'm talking about the people.

07:17:54.220 But you had that opportunity just because what?

07:17:56.700 If he said, if I did something for him type of thing, or what do you, what is your problem?

07:18:01.920 That's not what I'm saying.

07:18:03.240 What did you have to do to get in that room with him?

07:18:05.780 You're saying, because I'm a woman.

07:18:06.020 I didn't have to do anything to get in that room.

07:18:07.660 You're saying that's the place.

07:18:07.900 But if I were to want to get my career taken seriously and not just the, oh, la-di-da,

07:18:13.400 this is a play date.

07:18:13.880 You have to be talented.

07:18:14.640 So do the guys.

07:18:17.020 No shit.

07:18:17.720 Except we can't just walk into a room with somebody.

07:18:20.460 We have to work extremely hard.

07:18:21.700 And then when you do, you don't have to also, we have to do the hard work and potentially

07:18:27.240 go through all of those.

07:18:28.800 You can deny it or not.

07:18:29.900 I'm telling you from experience.

07:18:30.860 We have to do the hard work and then we can get an audience and then we have to reprove

07:18:35.120 ourselves.

07:18:35.560 That's bullshit.

07:18:35.860 No, no, it's not because.

07:18:37.960 Unless you've been in that.

07:18:39.440 No, I can't.

07:18:40.120 I can't just go to Miami, find the most successful guy there, jump on his yacht just because I'm

07:18:48.380 an attractive dude.

07:18:50.080 Any really attractive woman can walk down to a port, show herself off to really successful

07:18:55.980 men and just jump on their yacht.

07:18:57.820 Yeah, that's how you don't get taken seriously though.

07:19:00.120 You have to have all these little loopholes to get there and then you still might not.

07:19:05.700 Hold on.

07:19:06.020 First off, the entertainment business is incredibly cutthroat.

07:19:09.000 This idea that somehow.

07:19:10.120 It's an example that I personally have.

07:19:12.780 You think anybody gives a fuck whether you're a man or a woman?

07:19:15.380 People want to make money.

07:19:16.520 Point blank.

07:19:17.140 Period.

07:19:17.660 If you're fucking talented.

07:19:19.200 All right.

07:19:19.700 If you're talented, it has nothing to do with it.

07:19:22.240 And in fact, as a woman, you can leverage your beauty to potentially translate into some

07:19:27.760 sort of opportunities.

07:19:29.380 And then in addition to that, you're saying, oh, women oppressed.

07:19:33.660 Taylor Swift is like the highest earning.

07:19:35.460 That is the best example you can give.

07:19:37.960 But this idea that women can't make it.

07:19:39.440 Pretty much any female artist, they capitalize on their beauty.

07:19:43.020 Real life experiences, like more than dozens at a time.

07:19:46.920 What are you even talking about?

07:19:48.700 I don't know what.

07:19:49.600 Okay.

07:19:49.880 I got to bring it back.

07:19:51.140 I got to bring it back on track.

07:19:52.380 Examples of oppression.

07:19:53.640 Go ahead.

07:19:54.200 Okay.

07:19:54.440 I just want to ask.

07:19:55.420 I think the instance that you provided of like, okay, a woman can go and capitalize on

07:19:59.400 her beauty.

07:20:00.000 Yeah.

07:20:00.200 That can totally happen.

07:20:01.080 Right.

07:20:01.700 That's fair.

07:20:02.260 I mean, it can only take you so far.

07:20:04.180 I have a, I have like a sub question.

07:20:05.640 Okay.

07:20:05.920 And I want to hear you like your honest opinion.

07:20:08.060 What percentage of women do you think are beautiful enough to get that privilege?

07:20:12.540 Is it the majority of women or is it the minority?

07:20:14.740 The mid chicks are gay.

07:20:17.020 Yeah.

07:20:17.360 But, but that person does not get that.

07:20:18.860 I'm just genuinely curious.

07:20:19.840 There's no wrong answer.

07:20:21.300 Yeah.

07:20:21.540 No, I think, I don't know if I ever give a percentage of it and probably be like, I don't

07:20:26.600 know, like 40% of women could probably do it.

07:20:29.180 Could reach that like level of like.

07:20:31.500 Like use their beauty to stick their foot in the door to be able to get opportunities.

07:20:36.080 Yeah.

07:20:36.480 I definitely think so.

07:20:37.240 That sounds like a movie version of what you think it is because that's not what it really

07:20:41.240 is.

07:20:41.260 Okay.

07:20:41.500 Hold up.

07:20:41.980 Hold up.

07:20:42.240 So how do you think OnlyFans is blown up?

07:20:45.560 That's a whole other fucking type of thing.

07:20:47.400 Because women, women who are like 40% of the, 40% of the highest, I guess, attractiveness

07:20:53.380 of women can jump on a random website and make hundreds of thousands of dollars.

07:20:58.820 Beauty gets you a whole lot in this, in this culture.

07:21:02.140 Yeah, but not in OnlyFans.

07:21:02.940 Sure.

07:21:03.560 No.

07:21:03.780 They think that have to do with just your image.

07:21:05.540 Sure.

07:21:06.060 Any entertainment industry.

07:21:08.380 And taken seriously and like, oh, you're talented.

07:21:10.700 And then not go through a group of people that pretend like they're going to like facilitate

07:21:16.400 your career or whatever and not try to abuse their power.

07:21:20.920 No.

07:21:21.180 Beauty gets you a whole lot in pretty much any, any industry.

07:21:25.480 But not to that extent.

07:21:26.720 All right.

07:21:27.180 I'm going to have to.

07:21:28.680 Whatever.

07:21:29.320 If we were to assume for a second that it was only 5%, only 5%, you could agree at least

07:21:36.180 that 5% of women could possibly go that route with beauty, right?

07:21:41.340 Maybe not as high as 40%.

07:21:42.880 Definitely.

07:21:44.020 Maybe five.

07:21:45.700 I don't know.

07:21:47.120 Maybe, possibly.

07:21:48.380 But still not without zero.

07:21:49.520 Does that sound realistic?

07:21:50.740 Not without zero encounters of the type that I'm talking about.

07:21:54.020 I got to move it on.

07:21:55.040 I do have to move it on.

07:21:57.220 Do you want to make your final point, Andrew?

07:21:59.260 Or, I mean, it's, this is derailed.

07:22:01.880 Yeah, well, I mean, I was just going to grant it and say, well, even if it, even if it was

07:22:05.220 an abysmally low number who could leverage beauty for gain, let's say 5%, 3%, even 2%,

07:22:13.020 it wouldn't matter.

07:22:13.960 That wouldn't mean that women who rated themselves as a 10 and had a high esteem of their beauty

07:22:20.020 might not still follow that route thinking that they would be part of a percentile that

07:22:25.240 they actually weren't.

07:22:26.340 Okay, great.

07:22:29.220 But that still doesn't at all, like, make me believe that you at least try to understand

07:22:35.760 that this is a very real and possible thing and version of oppression that we're talking

07:22:41.400 about.

07:22:42.060 So, okay, women are oppressed in the music industry?

07:22:44.500 I'm sure.

07:22:45.140 If that's what you want to fucking chalk it down to, that's all it is.

07:22:47.760 Isn't that what you're arguing?

07:22:48.240 That's not all it is.

07:22:49.500 That's just, that's a personal, that's something that I can really speak on without having to

07:22:53.660 research it and, like, look at statistics.

07:22:55.820 This is something from the, I've experienced myself.

07:22:58.480 Women are just oppressed in the music industry.

07:23:00.580 No, not all women, not every woman around the fucking world, not every woman in the

07:23:05.420 music industry, and in a lot of fields of work.

07:23:09.060 Wait, so, wait, you're a musician, right?

07:23:10.780 You're a musician?

07:23:11.540 I also, yes, do music.

07:23:12.860 Okay.

07:23:13.180 And so you think you haven't been able to make it in the music industry because you're

07:23:16.660 a woman.

07:23:17.020 No, no.

07:23:18.020 So what's your argument?

07:23:18.820 Not that.

07:23:18.880 I've had to go through being potentially in really unpleasant situations in order to

07:23:29.240 get.

07:23:30.100 Yeah, there's, yeah, there's producers that want to hit.

07:23:32.920 Yeah.

07:23:33.320 And they're going to, yeah, I get it.

07:23:34.640 What about photographers?

07:23:35.540 As a model, they all, it's not, this isn't, it's, yeah, not just like, oh, I'm, I'm good

07:23:42.760 looking and I just get these things like a piece of fucking cake, you know?

07:23:46.500 Hollywood has a terrible reputation for the cast and cast.

07:23:49.140 Yeah, but it's not, that's the only representative I can give because that's what I know.

07:23:53.460 Okay, cool.

07:23:54.080 So I do have to move on.

07:23:55.240 But it goes across the board with other things.

07:23:55.800 I do have to move it on.

07:23:57.100 Back to you.

07:23:57.580 Please, hold on.

07:23:58.120 Name one right a man has that you do not.

07:24:01.460 One right?

07:24:02.320 Mm-hmm.

07:24:02.880 Okay, so I think there's a difference in, okay, here's my view of feminism, right?

07:24:08.360 Mm-hmm.

07:24:08.580 Because I think that what you're referring to is like suffrage.

07:24:11.240 I think that women and men do have equal rights.

07:24:13.880 I still think that you can have equal rights, but due to systemic factors, experience different

07:24:19.880 forms of discrimination, right?

07:24:21.720 Mm-hmm.

07:24:22.460 So I would argue that women and men have all the same rights, but there are added forms

07:24:26.360 of discrimination that you face as a woman that you wouldn't face as a man.

07:24:29.600 Such as?

07:24:30.560 Such as getting catcalled, getting paid less.

07:24:34.200 And I know we were talking about the gender pay gap earlier, but on average, like statistically

07:24:38.340 speaking, women with the same amount of experience, same amount of education, when all those factors

07:24:42.920 are leveled out, women are still-

07:24:43.800 It's less than 1%.

07:24:44.980 Women are still paid less, though.

07:24:47.060 They are in that sense.

07:24:48.000 It's, they've, they've, if you actually control for everything, there is a small discrepancy,

07:24:52.480 it's less than 1%.

07:24:54.780 Yeah, yeah.

07:24:55.940 Well, that's not the sources that I have seen.

07:24:58.160 I would like to look at-

07:24:59.440 There's a pay scale, Nick.

07:25:00.720 There should be a pay scale somewhere.

07:25:02.340 Yeah, that's the problem.

07:25:02.400 It's like, it's not really-

07:25:03.400 Hold on.

07:25:07.260 Where is it?

07:25:10.400 Nick, just do a Google pay scale.

07:25:15.100 It's a website.

07:25:15.880 Pay scale wage gap.

07:25:19.300 2024 gender pay gap report.

07:25:21.860 Pay scale.

07:25:24.160 Trying to find.

07:25:25.740 And what do you say about, for example, that Asian women out-earn white men?

07:25:29.580 What do you think about that?

07:25:31.540 Asian women out-earn white men.

07:25:33.180 Can I see the statistics on that before I speak on it?

07:25:35.980 I can pull it up, Nick.

07:25:37.580 There's a infographic wage folder.

07:25:40.960 Oh, is that relevant?

07:25:41.340 And there's a couple things on Asian women.

07:25:43.060 So Asian women are out-earning white men.

07:25:45.860 Is this perhaps evidence of sexism or even racism against white men?

07:25:52.300 Can I see the statistics before I speak on this?

07:25:55.540 Why don't you just assume that it's correct?

07:25:57.340 I don't want to.

07:26:00.680 I don't want to right now.

07:26:02.040 Can you say that one more time?

07:26:04.120 Okay.

07:26:04.620 So the Bureau-

07:26:05.740 The source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

07:26:08.740 Okay.

07:26:11.100 I could pull up the specific infographic that would show this.

07:26:15.940 But Asian women are out-earning white men.

07:26:19.120 Okay.

07:26:19.800 Is that like in a specific job or is that just in general?

07:26:22.000 Across full-time workers.

07:26:23.620 Full-time workers.

07:26:24.260 Is this leveled out for things like years of experience in education or is this just on average population-wise?

07:26:31.480 Just on average population-wise.

07:26:33.280 Okay.

07:26:34.120 Asian women versus white men.

07:26:36.360 Well, I feel like I would need a more detailed study in order to give an accurate take on this.

07:26:42.220 But I'll provide two factors why I think this could be.

07:26:46.020 One, there is a stereotype that Asian women are more educated.

07:26:51.040 There is a great pressure on them to be educated.

07:26:53.880 I think that there's two factors that could explain this.

07:26:57.960 And it could just be that they have more years of experience or greater levels of education, like more advanced degrees.

07:27:03.520 Since we don't have a study that accounts for those variables, I don't think I could accurately speak on this.

07:27:09.640 But you don't know if we have a study that accounts for those variables.

07:27:12.040 There's a blue and a red.

07:27:13.100 I'm saying I haven't seen it.

07:27:14.380 It could very well have taken bias as a variable.

07:27:20.080 Bias is included in sociological studies like this all the time as being a variable, in fact.

07:27:25.020 That's why we end up with name studies and things like this.

07:27:27.500 It's blue and blue red.

07:27:28.640 My kind of pushback on that would be to ask, as a counter, if you were to say, well, this could be due to the fact that there's bias due to a stereotype.

07:27:41.980 And because employers believe that Asian women are more educated, they tend to hire them at the same rate that they do men.

07:27:47.120 This is your kind of essential argument, right?

07:27:49.880 You could also just...

07:27:51.240 No, go ahead.

07:27:52.280 No, it's okay.

07:27:52.820 I didn't mean to cut you off.

07:27:53.620 You can finish.

07:27:54.660 Is that your essential argument?

07:27:55.900 I am not arguing that there's a stereotype.

07:28:00.100 I'm arguing that I have not seen the results of this study.

07:28:03.860 I've not read it in depth.

07:28:05.720 I don't...

07:28:06.100 Okay, let me rephrase.

07:28:07.060 Not your argument, but when you give a...

07:28:09.560 It could be due to this variable.

07:28:12.000 The variable that you're saying it could be due to would be the fact that a stereotype provides Asian women with an advantage other women don't have

07:28:19.540 because then during hiring practices, because that stereotype exists, they're going to pay them the same as men because they believe that they're just as educated or something like this, right?

07:28:30.260 I'm not arguing that it's due to the stereotype.

07:28:32.260 Okay, let's bring it.

07:28:33.360 Nick, pull up the thing.

07:28:34.740 Does it have like nothing years of experience and on average higher levels of education?

07:28:40.380 Yeah.

07:28:41.360 All right, so this is the gender pay gap in 2024.

07:28:44.160 This is pay scale.

07:28:45.400 This is, I actually, I believe a liberal-leaning company.

07:28:48.540 So, okay, this is not like, they're not trying to gaslight you here.

07:28:51.640 The uncontrolled gender pay gap, this is opportunity pay gap, measures median salary for all men and all women.

07:28:57.760 It doesn't factor in your job, how many hours worked, et cetera.

07:29:01.340 So, 83 cents for every $1 earned by men.

07:29:04.000 Controlled gender pay gap, this measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications.

07:29:08.960 Women earn 99 cents for every $1 earned by men.

07:29:13.960 So, that is the controlled pay gap.

07:29:18.780 Okay.

07:29:19.340 Do you think this is dubious?

07:29:21.460 Do you think it's wrong?

07:29:22.320 It's actually more?

07:29:23.620 I would say that source, no, I don't think that is wrong.

07:29:26.720 I would like to see multiple.

07:29:28.180 I feel like with any field, you should be looking at different sources of data.

07:29:31.800 But I'm not going to try and argue with that one source now.

07:29:34.680 Okay.

07:29:34.860 So, also really quick on the wage gap stuff, sports.

07:29:38.680 Do you think, for example, WNBA players should be paid the same as NBA players?

07:29:44.140 I think it should be going off of things such as number of attendance, number of views, years of experience.

07:29:49.600 Do I think that WA members should be getting more respect?

07:29:53.420 Yeah, I think they should.

07:29:54.340 I think they work hard.

07:29:55.660 And I think that they do deserve more respect.

07:29:57.820 But that's not necessarily about compensation, if that makes sense.

07:30:00.340 And then, so you're kind of listing off the ways in which I asked you about rights.

07:30:06.440 You said men and women have equal rights, but women are discriminated in various ways in which men are not.

07:30:12.000 So, what are some of the other ways they're discriminated against?

07:30:14.760 I would say in the forms of, like, unpaid labor, the way that they're discriminated against in the medical field.

07:30:21.460 Like, women are believed, on average, to have higher pain tolerances.

07:30:24.920 They are not taken as seriously by doctors.

07:30:27.020 So, a lot of medical conditions will go undiagnosed at a greater rate of women than men.

07:30:33.260 And because of this, women don't, on average, women don't receive the same medical care as men.

07:30:39.420 Those are just a few.

07:30:40.180 Don't women receive more medical care than men?

07:30:42.780 They don't.

07:30:43.220 It's the quality that I'm arguing.

07:30:45.160 The quality?

07:30:45.980 So, a woman steps into a doctor's office, a man steps into the doctor's office, there will be a, the medical care will be worse for the woman by virtue of her being a woman.

07:30:55.960 I would argue that her concerns would not be taken as seriously as a man, and it would, on average, take her longer to receive a proper diagnosis.

07:31:06.420 I believe women go to the doctors more often than men.

07:31:10.020 Do you think maybe that's why?

07:31:12.160 I agree with that.

07:31:14.260 No, I think that could definitely be a point, yeah.

07:31:17.720 Most men, I've known.

07:31:18.740 Are you familiar with trait neuroticism?

07:31:21.480 No, I'm not.

07:31:22.180 Okay, so, well, if you're not, do you think men or women tend to be more neurotic?

07:31:32.500 It's pretty equal.

07:31:35.860 Yeah, I would say it's pretty equal.

07:31:38.020 Well, I mean, they've done, I mean, psychologists have done.

07:31:41.180 Yeah, but you're asking me what I think.

07:31:42.560 They've done personality tests, they've done studies, and women rank higher in trait neuroticism.

07:31:50.160 Okay.

07:31:50.560 Again, yeah, that's all I would say on that.

07:31:53.280 Do you want me to say something?

07:31:54.640 Do you have a question?

07:31:55.840 Well, so, I mean, you're saying that women are less likely to get good treatment in medical context,

07:32:02.960 but women overwhelmingly receive, like, I think when it comes to, what's it called, the, like, the tax burden when it comes to medical care,

07:32:20.640 women take out way more from the tax system than do men, at least from a health care perspective.

07:32:27.200 Do you want me to, what are, what's your argument here?

07:32:34.320 Well, you're saying that women get poorer health care, but if they get more health care than men, wouldn't that counter your argument?

07:32:43.800 Do you think quantity automatically translates to quality?

07:32:46.220 No, not necessarily, but, I mean, men tend to take less from health care.

07:32:55.020 Can I provide just with one example?

07:32:57.280 Sure.

07:32:57.560 Personally, and I'll make it quick because I know it's late, everyone's tired.

07:33:02.080 One of my friends recently saw the doctor probably around 10 times.

07:33:06.360 Like you said, women visiting the doctor more on average.

07:33:08.540 I think that's true.

07:33:09.380 I don't disagree with that.

07:33:11.100 She saw the doctor around 10 times.

07:33:13.200 She is a very, she found out that she has a condition that doesn't allow her to digest food properly.

07:33:18.640 She went through so many tests, so many different scans, everything.

07:33:23.720 She saw multiple different specialists she had to do, a bunch of different processes in order to get this diagnosed, a lot of different testing.

07:33:30.980 In order for her to do this, though, she felt like her symptoms were being dismissed by doctors.

07:33:35.280 They weren't being taken as seriously.

07:33:36.940 She felt that way.

07:33:38.280 Do you have any actual evidence that they were?

07:33:40.260 Yes, I actually do, because in one instance, and this is just one example.

07:33:47.160 I'm not trying to speak on, like, I'm just providing one example.

07:33:50.100 I don't want this to be taken as, like, overgeneralization.

07:33:52.600 I'm just speaking from personal experience right now, or my friends.

07:33:56.920 There was one instance where a doctor sent her a copy of her x-ray, and she actually had to point out something on the x-ray that was irregular, and the doctor overlooked it.

07:34:06.300 And she said, hey.

07:34:07.880 Because we're neurotic.

07:34:08.760 But because she's, he overlooked it because she's a woman.

07:34:12.400 She, the doctor's a woman.

07:34:14.620 Okay, the doc, did I specify the gender of the?

07:34:17.900 You said he.

07:34:18.720 Did I?

07:34:19.720 Yeah, you said he, as in the doctor.

07:34:21.860 The doctor was a woman.

07:34:23.920 Okay.

07:34:24.680 So did the female doctor overlook it because she's a woman?

07:34:27.920 I can't say for sure, but I just don't, I'm just saying, I'm not saying causation equals correlation.

07:34:34.600 Well, I can speak on the x-ray thing.

07:34:36.520 Okay.

07:34:36.680 X-rays are notoriously difficult to read.

07:34:41.640 I mean, studies have been done.

07:34:44.100 Like, if you give the same 50 doctors the exact same x-ray, all 50 of them come out with a different diagnosis.

07:34:51.100 So it's not that, I have a really difficult time believing that the medical industry is inherently biased against women.

07:35:00.560 And one example I could think of for why it's perceived that way is a lot of this data has to be just personal accounts, personal feeling from the patients themselves.

07:35:16.060 Generally speaking, if I were to take a wild guess, I would say men probably are going to complain about their care a little less than women will.

07:35:23.500 And pursue medical attention in general.

07:35:27.780 Yeah, exactly.

07:35:28.480 So the statistics would be skewed towards women suggesting they get less adequate care than men because men probably just won't care as much as women will.

07:35:41.060 So that could easily explain why it seems like the health care system is more biased towards men than it is women.

07:35:50.580 Okay.

07:35:51.220 Yeah.

07:35:51.440 Yeah, and I think that you're, I agree with parts of your argument, I do.

07:35:55.920 I think that you've made a lot of valid points tonight, yeah.

07:35:58.380 Yeah.

07:35:58.800 All right.

07:36:00.100 Yeah.

07:36:01.920 I'm just still trying to hear something where women are discriminated against.

07:36:06.840 I mean, okay, what about of the, just in the hundreds of years ago when psychology was first starting and how easily women would get committed for things that were called hysteria?

07:36:23.680 I guess I guess I would want to see the rates at which women were discriminated.

07:36:27.400 Well, they weren't.

07:36:29.100 They were usually treated for hysteria a different way.

07:36:31.840 You could just be sad and then get tossed in a crazy loony bin.

07:36:34.900 Well, usually female hysteria was treated with masturbation.

07:36:38.680 Yeah, and also, yeah, electroshock, things like that.

07:36:43.160 Yeah, but you're not, you don't necessarily need that.

07:36:45.560 Committal was due to other factors generally, not due to hysteria.

07:36:50.000 Right.

07:36:50.280 The thing is, with what you consider hysteria, that's a specific thing, right?

07:36:55.840 Yeah, I get that, but that was like my example of saying that that was things like just sadness or depression that could be cured by not having be sent to a loony bin and getting more crazier.

07:37:08.840 Men were also sent to loony bins when they were crazy.

07:37:11.120 Well, again, just like Andrew just said, it's selective.

07:37:19.620 You're choosing which anecdotes to pay attention to and choosing which ones to not pay attention to.

07:37:25.160 Men also suffered from being thrown in loony bins for less than ideal reasons.

07:37:29.940 So, it's not an evidence of the patriarchy hurting, oppressing women in particular.

07:37:36.980 It's just saying that a long time ago, when technology wasn't as good and people weren't as knowledgeable about these things, people got shafted.

07:37:46.820 And none of those things at all carried on generationally.

07:37:47.500 And it doesn't matter whether it's a woman or a man, it just happens because people weren't as smart.

07:37:52.200 Yeah, but none of those ideas at all got like passed down generationally.

07:37:56.080 Little bit by bit turned into whatever version it is today.

07:37:59.080 None of that, none of this is based.

07:38:00.440 It's not as deep as it was at that time.

07:38:01.840 Yeah, none of that is based on sexism though.

07:38:04.140 None of it's based on patriarchy, it's just based on we weren't medically as adept, therefore men and women got the raw deal.

07:38:13.000 I mean, it was mostly husbands of women that would send them involuntarily.

07:38:18.340 I would want to see the rates of this happening.

07:38:21.340 You've got to be pulling this shit out.

07:38:22.100 Yeah, there's like no way.

07:38:23.440 I don't know.

07:38:23.840 I mean, there is some truth to the fact that there was a larger committal of women generally than men into a lot of these psychiatric hospitals.

07:38:36.420 However, try to remember that psychology itself is a soft science, and at the point in time that you're talking about, it was literally pseudoscientific.

07:38:46.700 They were giving people lobotomies.

07:38:48.460 They were poking holes in their head.

07:38:50.180 They were doing all sorts of immoral experimentation.

07:38:52.980 But generally, it was not husbands who were doing kind of these overtly committals.

07:38:59.700 This was women who were considered the leftovers.

07:39:03.540 So these were women who...

07:39:05.660 Outcasted or...

07:39:06.480 No, no, no.

07:39:07.740 They used to have houses for women.

07:39:09.320 They were basically halfway houses for women who got pregnant out of marriage, things like this.

07:39:14.420 They were kind of the dregs of society.

07:39:16.640 And they would be mostly pulled from them because a lot of them actually were mentally ill.

07:39:20.540 And yeah, a lot of them did get experimented on.

07:39:22.580 That's true.

07:39:23.880 But this is, again, I'm no fan of psychology and no fan of psychiatry.

07:39:28.440 I think that it's a pseudoscientific pursuit.

07:39:31.680 Okay, so back to you.

07:39:33.400 So I still really haven't heard anything compelling when it comes to women discriminated against.

07:39:47.780 I would say that I provided you with the examples that first come to mind for me.

07:39:52.460 Those are the biggest ones, in my opinion.

07:39:54.100 And I know that you pulled up data that disperse that.

07:39:58.100 I understand that, right?

07:39:59.000 Well, so there...

07:39:59.480 Yeah, there's the wage gap.

07:40:00.560 There's the healthcare thing.

07:40:02.740 I mean, couldn't I just...

07:40:04.820 You know, because feminism is a game of comparison.

07:40:07.540 Men are privileged.

07:40:09.120 Women aren't.

07:40:10.280 Men are oppressors.

07:40:11.560 Women are oppressed.

07:40:12.740 Men have more rights.

07:40:14.340 That is feminism.

07:40:15.280 It is comparing men to women.

07:40:17.560 Hold on.

07:40:17.840 So, I could just return back to you.

07:40:21.400 I'll just engage you on the healthcare thing.

07:40:23.440 Let's talk about healthcare.

07:40:24.780 Upon birth, men have their genitals mutilated.

07:40:27.600 Healthcare, right?

07:40:28.640 Right.

07:40:28.820 Secondly, if you look at who the cohort of people where experimental medications, experimental

07:40:38.840 procedures are tested on, this is overwhelmingly men.

07:40:42.180 And feminists will actually turn this around and say, for example, well, all these experimental

07:40:47.080 procedures, they're tested on men, so men fare better.

07:40:51.300 But it's not clear to me if it's some sort of male privilege or advantage for you as a

07:40:56.660 man to be...

07:40:57.740 A lot of these men are paid for this.

07:40:59.980 Wouldn't that actually be evidence of men faring worse?

07:41:04.320 That they are resorting to having experimental drugs and having experimental procedures done

07:41:11.360 on them for money?

07:41:12.860 Because they're so desperate for money, you can experiment medically on me.

07:41:17.140 So, given the case that, for example, just those two examples I gave you, that there's

07:41:23.080 male genital mutilation on most men in this country upon birth, excuse me, most boys,

07:41:29.820 and that there's, in terms of the distribution, there's much more men who are experimented on

07:41:39.780 medically than women.

07:41:41.340 So, couldn't I just turn that around on you and saying, when it comes to healthcare, that

07:41:45.460 men actually have these specific negative health outcomes?

07:41:48.780 Yeah, I think that that's a valid point that you raised.

07:41:51.500 When we're looking at genital mutilation, that occurs within the U.S. mainly, right?

07:41:55.980 I don't...

07:41:56.480 It's not...

07:41:57.280 It happens in some other countries, but...

07:41:58.900 It does, but the majority of it is occurring in the U.S.

07:42:01.460 I would say that that could be explained by that it's a cultural thing within the U.S.

07:42:05.020 and it's a preference within the U.S.

07:42:06.340 If you look at Europe, for example, they don't have genital mutilation at the same rates as

07:42:10.980 the U.S.

07:42:11.420 What's the male population of the United States?

07:42:13.820 It's...

07:42:14.060 I don't know.

07:42:16.820 Over...

07:42:17.300 It's roughly 50-50.

07:42:19.320 I'm not sure.

07:42:20.000 I don't know the male population.

07:42:20.920 Okay, so it's over...

07:42:22.080 What is it?

07:42:22.860 160 million?

07:42:24.660 Okay.

07:42:25.140 Let's just assume that most of those men, maybe 80-90% of those men, had a circumcision.

07:42:33.040 Okay.

07:42:33.940 So, that's a lot of men.

07:42:36.960 But that's women's fault.

07:42:38.480 I'm not saying it's women's fault.

07:42:40.120 Actually...

07:42:40.520 It's like a bias because of...

07:42:42.800 I mean, you know what I mean?

07:42:43.880 It's like...

07:42:44.560 Why are you coming in with the framework that it's either men or women's fault?

07:42:48.100 I mean, that's a framework you guys are coming out of.

07:42:50.200 No, no, no, no, no.

07:42:51.240 We're not making that...

07:42:52.560 I'm actually...

07:42:53.100 Yeah, I'm not attributing fault.

07:42:54.900 Yeah.

07:42:55.260 I'm just saying, if we're talking about these negative outcomes impact this group of people,

07:43:00.820 that's what I'm talking about.

07:43:02.080 Yeah.

07:43:02.180 So, I mean, would you agree with me that circumcision is actually a gendered issue?

07:43:12.180 I would argue that circumcision specifically would be in the case of the U.S.

07:43:17.820 In other instances, female genital mutilation does occur in other third-developed countries.

07:43:23.960 It happens in different third-developed countries.

07:43:25.980 Not at similar rates.

07:43:27.520 Not at similar rates.

07:43:28.460 I didn't say that.

07:43:29.260 I just said it also occurs to women at different rates.

07:43:31.460 I don't think I was making that argument.

07:43:32.980 Okay.

07:43:33.380 Cool.

07:43:33.660 Yeah.

07:43:34.020 And it's not the same reasons.

07:43:35.600 Bad for women, too.

07:43:36.260 At the same time...

07:43:36.520 Can you say that it's bad for men?

07:43:39.660 I am not incredibly familiar on the practice of genital mutilation for men.

07:43:45.300 Okay.

07:43:45.980 What do you mean you're not familiar with the practice?

07:43:48.240 Like, I know what it is.

07:43:49.340 You know what it is.

07:43:49.840 But I'm not super, super in-depth researched on it is what I'm trying to say.

07:43:53.280 Okay.

07:43:54.320 I mean, obviously nobody's...

07:43:56.060 So, do you think that...

07:43:56.960 I mean, obviously baby boys can't consent to this procedure.

07:44:04.220 It's not okay for any gender to have to go through.

07:44:07.540 Okay.

07:44:07.740 But if we're talking about the United States...

07:44:09.460 That's a societal...

07:44:09.840 If we're talking about the United States...

07:44:11.160 I agree.

07:44:11.700 It's not okay for any gender to go through.

07:44:13.320 But I want to make sure we agree on the definition of gendered issue before I make my statement.

07:44:18.040 Right?

07:44:18.260 You would argue that a gendered issue is something that occurs to one gender at a much, much higher frequency than the other.

07:44:23.800 Correct?

07:44:23.960 Like, circumcision...

07:44:28.040 I'll grant it.

07:44:28.680 Sure.

07:44:29.020 Yes.

07:44:29.040 Like, circumcision happens to men at a much higher rate.

07:44:32.260 So, therefore, it is a gendered issue.

07:44:34.220 Right?

07:44:34.440 Well, no.

07:44:34.880 No.

07:44:35.200 It doesn't happen to men at a much higher rate.

07:44:37.400 It can only happen to men.

07:44:38.980 Yeah.

07:44:39.640 I mean...

07:44:40.100 Well...

07:44:40.480 How is...

07:44:41.140 Yes.

07:44:41.680 Circumcision specifically.

07:44:42.860 Genital mutilation can happen to both genders.

07:44:45.340 Right?

07:44:45.700 But we're talking about circumcision specifically.

07:44:46.820 Sure.

07:44:46.920 I'll grant it.

07:44:47.720 Yeah.

07:44:48.120 Yes.

07:44:48.440 Then I would say that that specifically is a gendered issue.

07:44:51.180 I agree with you on that.

07:44:52.220 I do.

07:44:52.900 Okay.

07:44:53.200 But that has to do with the, like, medical issues men experience more?

07:44:59.900 Or...

07:45:00.340 No.

07:45:01.240 What does that have to do with it?

07:45:02.600 It's mostly a religious pastime for circumcision.

07:45:05.400 Right.

07:45:05.700 Which was, which was indeed adopted culturally.

07:45:08.600 Right.

07:45:08.860 But if you're not familiar with the practice, they cut the foreskin of a baby's penis off.

07:45:13.080 I know.

07:45:13.280 Essentially.

07:45:13.720 That's what happens.

07:45:14.900 And in a lot of cases, it's...

07:45:17.480 The downside of that is, like, less sensation or things like that, like, that I've read up

07:45:24.060 on and have.

07:45:25.180 Mm-hmm.

07:45:25.800 But what is that, like, the relevance?

07:45:29.920 Well, Ryan's argument here is that men overwhelmingly experience this.

07:45:34.180 They can't consent to it.

07:45:35.180 It happens to them when they're children.

07:45:37.180 And it seems that, as far as issues go, if truly feminism was about equally attacking

07:45:44.020 these types of issues, which exist, which are left on us by the patriarchy, certainly

07:45:50.940 gender mutilation of men would be one thing.

07:45:54.160 But you never really hear feminists talk about it at all.

07:45:57.460 There's no policy prescriptions whatsoever which is ever advocated by them towards men.

07:46:02.060 They seem to just not give a shit.

07:46:03.740 Because aren't the fathers also, like, involved in that decision?

07:46:08.000 Mothers?

07:46:08.760 Well, the thing is, this is interesting.

07:46:11.500 As single motherhood has been on the climb, guess what?

07:46:14.580 Circumcision still stays at about the same rate.

07:46:17.960 And so, no.

07:46:19.020 Mothers are every bit as responsible for this as fathers.

07:46:22.220 And also, aren't, I don't know the specific statistics on this, but I think it's OBGYNs

07:46:30.280 who perform the circumcision, and OBGYNs are predominantly, I think, predominantly women?

07:46:38.040 I would agree.

07:46:38.780 I think they are, yeah.

07:46:39.580 And they're probably advocating if their patient comes to them, well, should I have my male

07:46:46.640 child circumcised?

07:46:47.880 They will probably make a recommendation for circumcision.

07:46:52.480 Yeah.

07:46:52.820 And I think that, too.

07:46:53.760 But I'm not actually trying to point the finger.

07:46:55.600 Don't they do that?

07:46:55.620 I'm not actually even trying to point the finger at men or at women.

07:46:59.100 I'm just saying, this is a negative outcome that impacts men.

07:47:03.760 I misunderstood that part.

07:47:04.680 Anyways, but I don't want to linger on the circumcision for too long, but I'm still, again,

07:47:09.200 when it comes to discrimination, I've not really heard a compelling argument.

07:47:12.380 And I'll just actually, I'll just show my cards.

07:47:14.440 I actually think men have been more oppressed than women.

07:47:16.520 Okay.

07:47:17.900 Historically and currently.

07:47:19.660 Can I say one more thing about that?

07:47:21.920 No, I'd actually like her to respond to my statement here.

07:47:24.660 No, I want to know, like, why you think that.

07:47:26.300 Like, I'm curious about your perspective.

07:47:27.620 Yeah, so I could list a whole bunch of things.

07:47:30.860 I could talk about the self-deletion rate, homelessness.

07:47:34.060 Men are much less likely to go to college.

07:47:38.980 I'm trying to think what are some of the, I mean, there's the circumcision thing.

07:47:43.500 That's very big.

07:47:44.180 But I'm actually going to hyper-focus and zero in on just one sole male grievance.

07:47:48.840 And that comes down to, and I actually think that this one, any sort of feminist argument

07:47:53.900 is dead on arrival when it comes to, at least from a comparison perspective.

07:47:59.320 So forced military conscription throughout history and current day, I think is a bigger

07:48:04.640 grievance that's, for most of human history, nearly exclusively has been placed on men,

07:48:12.580 is a far bigger grievance, gender grievance, than really, I would argue, all of women's

07:48:18.500 collective grievances combined.

07:48:22.860 Okay.

07:48:24.420 Yeah.

07:48:25.080 So, I mean, I'd be open to hearing you actually articulate one female grievance that's greater

07:48:32.040 than forced military conscription.

07:48:36.500 In fact, you can have three.

07:48:38.100 You can combine three, and we'll just add them up.

07:48:40.620 Just add them up?

07:48:41.560 Sure.

07:48:42.400 Okay.

07:48:48.780 And are we talking, like, present day, but we're talking historical right now, too?

07:48:52.060 Yeah?

07:48:52.680 Mm-hmm.

07:48:53.340 Okay.

07:48:53.600 Okay.

07:49:01.460 Okay.

07:49:02.080 I would argue the exclusion of women voting, forced marriages, and exclusion from, like,

07:49:08.900 education historically.

07:49:10.920 Okay.

07:49:11.520 So, I should have just stuck to one.

07:49:15.520 But if, okay, if you had to pick, I can actually, I'll tackle all three, but if you had to pick

07:49:19.940 one, would it be voting?

07:49:22.380 It would be, I think it's really hard to compare these, because...

07:49:26.020 But that's the game of feminism.

07:49:28.740 Women have it worse than men.

07:49:30.380 That is feminism.

07:49:31.620 I think that we have two different definitions of feminism, personally.

07:49:35.160 What's your definition?

07:49:35.840 My definition of feminism is reaching a point where, like, men and women can see each other's

07:49:41.540 perspectives and work towards solutions that benefit both of us.

07:49:44.920 That's my personal definition of feminism.

07:49:47.300 I know it's not everyone's, but...

07:49:48.840 But you're, I mean, you said you're taking feminist classes, this whole patriarchy theory

07:49:55.620 thing.

07:49:56.640 I mean, doesn't that immediately paint men in the negative light?

07:50:01.540 Not in all instances, no.

07:50:03.000 I would honestly say that, and I'm speaking truthfully here, a lot of instances in my

07:50:09.580 feminist classes, we have learned how toxic masculinity also, like, hurts men, and it

07:50:15.180 does.

07:50:15.660 I agree with your points that toxic masculinity, or I don't know if that's what you are arguing

07:50:20.240 is the cause of these things.

07:50:20.840 Well, I don't really, I don't actually even believe in that.

07:50:23.380 Okay.

07:50:24.040 But you're arguing that...

07:50:24.940 I don't believe that you can just be toxic as an individual, but I don't believe that

07:50:30.560 masculinity is toxic, or that femininity is toxic.

07:50:35.900 Okay.

07:50:37.420 I would argue, personally, from my perspective, I know we don't see eye to eye on this, but

07:50:41.680 I'm just trying to shed light on mine.

07:50:43.260 Sure.

07:50:44.100 I would say that, personally, like, I feel like my personal view of feminism does not

07:50:50.720 discount the issues that men have faced.

07:50:52.980 When I...

07:50:53.520 Well, of course it does.

07:50:54.940 No, it doesn't.

07:50:57.540 I...

07:50:58.560 Can you state to me any instance where feminism or feminist organization has ever advocated

07:51:06.640 for men in some capacity?

07:51:17.660 Yes.

07:51:18.680 Okay.

07:51:19.660 There's this one example of a project.

07:51:21.660 It's called, What Prisoners Taught Me About Feminism, right?

07:51:26.260 It's taught by this one man, Richie Osseta.

07:51:28.960 He is an inmate at a prison, right?

07:51:31.440 He was taught bell hooks feminist theory really early on from a young age.

07:51:35.640 He taught feminist theory to his prison inmates, and he was able to teach them how, through feminist

07:51:43.440 theory and toxic masculinity, they had been...

07:51:49.480 I'm trying to put this into words, I'm trying to put this into words, it basically taught...

07:51:53.240 He taught them feminist theory, and they learned that a lot of their actions were being influenced

07:51:57.680 by toxic masculinity, and a lot of their actions had led them to the decisions that they had

07:52:02.000 met today, like, ended up in prison, essentially.

07:52:04.000 Through learning about feminism, he taught them how to just have a more well-rounded perspective

07:52:11.580 and include the perspectives of both men and women, and it reframed a lot of their thinking,

07:52:15.440 and I think that is one example of a feminist project.

07:52:18.780 So, that doesn't seem to be advocacy or, like, helping men, really.

07:52:25.540 Like, you can point to a prison...

07:52:27.180 How many men were in this program?

07:52:29.140 I'm not exactly sure.

07:52:30.560 A couple dozen men?

07:52:32.120 Probably more than that.

07:52:32.820 So, I'm looking...

07:52:33.380 I'm thinking more...

07:52:34.220 I was hoping for something more wide-scale.

07:52:36.180 More wide-scale.

07:52:36.540 Like, mass movement.

07:52:37.840 I agree that there needs to be more.

07:52:39.280 I'm not discounting that.

07:52:40.400 That's why I have such a hard time coming up with it.

07:52:41.600 Yeah, feminists don't care about men's issues.

07:52:44.100 I wouldn't necessarily use that type of a blanket statement, because I...

07:52:48.680 From the feminists that I have personally met, I just don't agree with that, and that's

07:52:53.500 me speaking on personal experience, and it's okay if we don't align on that.

07:52:57.240 In fact, I would actually go even further to say that where some form of actual equality

07:53:03.980 between men and women could be achieved, or some benefit to men could be actually achieved,

07:53:10.600 women will actually...

07:53:11.500 I shouldn't say women.

07:53:12.360 Feminists will fight against it.

07:53:14.480 So, for example, in Florida, this is pretty recent, there was a feminist organization,

07:53:19.040 I believe it was called...

07:53:20.000 I believe it's called NOW, the National Organization for Women.

07:53:22.660 There was something to equalize custody between men and women.

07:53:28.380 If there's a...

07:53:29.360 It should be assumed that there should be a 50-50 split in custody in Florida.

07:53:33.820 And feminist organizations actually fought against it, even though that would provide

07:53:38.540 equality between men and women.

07:53:42.080 Furthermore...

07:53:42.640 Hey, Brian, Brian, sorry to cut you off.

07:53:45.120 I've got to get going.

07:53:46.300 I've got an engagement early in the morning.

07:53:47.720 Of course.

07:53:48.180 Thanks for having me on, guys.

07:53:49.540 I really appreciate it.

07:53:50.800 Thank you.

07:53:51.140 Appreciate it, Andrew.

07:53:51.960 Hope you have a good night.

07:53:53.500 Yep.

07:53:53.860 Thank you.

07:53:54.220 It was nice to meet all of you.

07:53:55.500 I appreciate it in the spirited back and forth.

07:53:57.540 Mason, nice to see you again, man.

07:53:58.980 Good to see you.

07:53:59.560 Good to see you.

07:53:59.820 Have a good night, Andrew.

07:54:00.500 Guys, check out The Crucible.

07:54:01.940 Go subscribe to his channel.

07:54:03.640 Thank you, guys.

07:54:04.080 Appreciate it.

07:54:04.500 Thank you for tuning in, Andrew.

07:54:06.060 Okay.

07:54:06.640 You can hide that, Nick.

07:54:08.040 Also, Brian, to add on that, I also do have to...

07:54:11.020 We're going to wrap soon.

07:54:11.760 Trust me.

07:54:13.360 Okay.

07:54:13.680 So, I guess going back to what I was saying, so, feminists will fight against a form of

07:54:20.500 equality if that equality, in some conceivable way, could come at the detriment of women.

07:54:25.680 I think that in that example, yes.

07:54:29.780 I can see your point in that.

07:54:31.520 My personal experiences, though, have not proven that.

07:54:35.200 Okay.

07:54:35.340 Well, I guess, so, since feminism has progressed since, let's just say, the 50s, 60s, I think

07:54:45.560 that's about when those topics were addressed, or the term feminism was coined.

07:54:52.300 Since those, I guess, thoughts, since their inception, the natural progression of feminism

07:55:00.680 has led to the point where they do not care about men's rights, or they will actually actively

07:55:07.940 oppose men's rights, because that's a natural progression of feminism.

07:55:11.940 Now, I understand that your position, that your idea of feminism is not exactly that, but

07:55:20.300 feminism now, and ideas in the past that have been posed, naturally lead to the point where

07:55:28.640 it's either men or women.

07:55:31.180 It's men against women.

07:55:33.200 So, I just don't see, I don't see how feminism actually provides solutions that bring people

07:55:40.620 together.

07:55:41.100 It always seems to tear societies apart.

07:55:45.020 Can I provide, like, a little bit of my take on the situation?

07:55:48.660 Okay.

07:55:49.280 Okay.

07:55:49.700 So, in the past, like, I forget exactly when the term was coined, but it was coined relatively

07:55:55.940 recently, I want to say around 10 to 20 years ago, but the term of the, there's a subsection

07:56:00.940 of feminism called intersectional feminism, right?

07:56:03.600 And it takes into account the multiple identity factors of women and how this influences their

07:56:09.780 experience as women, right?

07:56:11.340 Before this, a lot of times, women of color and white women were kind of pitted against

07:56:14.820 each other.

07:56:15.480 It was not productive for the movement as a whole, right?

07:56:18.320 I would argue that a lot of women who consider themselves feminists are in a deep place of

07:56:26.920 hurt from their experiences with men.

07:56:29.180 I have been in a deep place of hurt from experiences with men.

07:56:33.260 I have been the type of person to be like, oh, I don't want to work with them.

07:56:37.120 I don't trust them, whatever, da, da, da, da, da.

07:56:38.960 And it's taken me a long place to get to the point where I don't think gender equality

07:56:43.180 can be achieved solely based with women.

07:56:44.920 I think that it does require men and women working together, of course.

07:56:47.420 I think that because a lot of women are in a place of hurt, it's hard for them to even

07:57:00.680 open up to the possibility of working with men or considering the experiences of men as

07:57:05.720 well.

07:57:06.780 And I can't say I'm for sure on this, but I really hope that at one point more people

07:57:11.360 can realize that the only way for social change is through collective action in the majority.

07:57:15.340 And because, like, majority of the population can't just be, like, if you want social, like,

07:57:22.340 all social movements in the past, like, civil rights, like, anything regarding that has

07:57:28.300 been when the majority of the population adopts it finally, and that's when it's been able

07:57:32.700 to actually see progress.

07:57:34.200 I think that feminism will truly see progress when men and women can work together, right?

07:57:39.240 But I think that a lot of women are just at a place of hurt where they don't open themselves

07:57:43.360 up.

07:57:43.500 It's not what it's supposed to be.

07:57:46.040 Well, okay.

07:57:46.440 Like, what it...

07:57:47.560 Well, so even the way you framed it right there, you've had terrible experiences with

07:57:52.840 men.

07:57:53.760 Therefore, we need to address societal issues that involve men.

07:57:58.220 No.

07:57:58.740 Well, okay.

07:57:59.640 Not necessarily at all.

07:58:00.240 The same thing can be said about men and men in their experiences with women.

07:58:05.540 Hell yeah.

07:58:06.040 They're...

07:58:06.720 I know...

07:58:07.300 That's the point.

07:58:07.800 I know guys...

07:58:08.380 Well, I know...

07:58:09.220 I have buddies in particular who have been absolutely...

07:58:13.480 Their lives have been destroyed by women.

07:58:15.700 By women, yeah.

07:58:16.060 And I don't think their experiences should be discounted at all.

07:58:18.580 That's the point.

07:58:19.480 Agreed.

07:58:19.920 So, instead of...

07:58:22.040 I don't...

07:58:22.600 I just don't see any progress that can be made.

07:58:27.560 I don't see any progress that can be made if the...

07:58:32.160 I guess...

07:58:32.920 Aggressiveness of the...

07:58:34.420 No, no, no, no.

07:58:35.120 I'm saying I don't see how any progress can be made if the movement is based upon this

07:58:44.900 other...

07:58:45.620 Us against.

07:58:46.720 It's...

07:58:47.120 Yeah.

07:58:47.260 It's...

07:58:47.860 Yeah.

07:58:48.400 Us versus them.

07:58:49.920 So, when it comes down to feminism, it is very much we are being oppressed by a male...

07:58:57.300 A male-dominated culture.

07:58:59.180 Therefore, we need to combat that male-dominated culture to achieve some kind of equality.

07:59:04.540 I don't think that brings about any kind of unison or unity.

07:59:09.320 Sorry.

07:59:10.440 That's not...

07:59:11.640 That's...

07:59:12.080 I agree fully.

07:59:13.600 And I don't know if what I'm saying is coming across.

07:59:16.380 I don't know why that's fucking funny.

07:59:17.620 But that's literally what we've been trying to say is when it's equal.

07:59:20.620 I agree with your point that the us versus them mentality isn't productive.

07:59:24.300 Because it never is.

07:59:25.160 Like, I truly think that's never...

07:59:26.480 But that is the antith...

07:59:27.680 Or not...

07:59:28.200 It's what it turned into.

07:59:29.600 That is the genesis of feminism.

07:59:32.280 Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's right.

07:59:33.380 Men have it better.

07:59:34.360 We're oppressed.

07:59:35.100 Women are oppressed.

07:59:35.780 Men are the oppressors.

07:59:36.600 Patriarchy theory.

07:59:37.440 It doesn't mean it's right.

07:59:38.340 Well, again, like, what's the...

07:59:40.340 It doesn't mean that it's not outdated.

07:59:41.540 I guess what's the end goal of feminism?

07:59:44.640 Equal.

07:59:45.400 Okay, well...

07:59:46.700 True, true feminism.

07:59:48.140 Not this hateful...

07:59:49.660 I can engage with this.

07:59:52.300 So, if it really is equality, then we're trying to achieve something that's impossible.

07:59:57.900 Because men and women are not equal.

07:59:59.860 Yeah, but there's...

08:00:01.860 Being treated equally and being physically and mentally equal.

08:00:06.640 Okay, can I...

08:00:07.200 I just want to complete my thought.

08:00:08.760 Yeah.

08:00:09.140 If we're going to think about this logically, there is no way that men and women can be perfectly equal.

08:00:15.320 Take strength.

08:00:16.640 Men are always going to be stronger than women.

08:00:19.340 Yeah.

08:00:19.920 Take childbirth.

08:00:21.560 Men will never be able to birth children.

08:00:24.700 Then we're doomed.

08:00:25.280 Why are we trying...

08:00:26.300 Stop.

08:00:26.660 I'm trying to explain to you why men and women can never be equal.

08:00:31.960 So, instead of trying to force equality down people's throats when it can't be achieved,

08:00:37.020 we realize, okay, there's going to be certain struggles that men face.

08:00:40.640 There are going to be certain struggles that women face.

08:00:42.580 Yes.

08:00:42.880 But we have to figure out...

08:00:45.480 We have to be able to provide rights and freedoms that are equally available to all.

08:00:51.200 Okay.

08:00:52.080 You're saying what I'm saying in a different way.

08:00:54.160 No, no, no, no.

08:00:54.440 I'm not saying what you're saying.

08:00:55.980 What rights and freedoms are given to men but not women?

08:01:02.020 That's all I'm saying.

08:01:03.520 If we have that...

08:01:04.460 I mean, I don't feel bad that you don't experience it.

08:01:06.520 Okay.

08:01:06.780 If we have that, then why are we focusing on this issue that's not there?

08:01:11.600 If women have the freedoms that men do, they have the same rights and freedoms that men do,

08:01:17.060 why are we pointing at something that doesn't exist?

08:01:19.780 Okay, so if we really wanted to bring people together, if we really wanted to bring men and women together,

08:01:25.860 instead of demonizing one sex over the other, maybe we should just realize that it's not, that the issue is not there.

08:01:35.300 There is not an issue when it comes to men versus women in rights and freedoms.

08:01:41.400 I don't know how many more ways I can say it that I'm agreeing with you, but it's an out...

08:01:47.500 Like, the view of feminism currently is still as if it was the same view as it was when it first started.

08:01:55.180 Yes.

08:01:55.640 Regardless.

08:01:56.340 It's outdated.

08:01:56.900 I've given my point of view.

08:02:00.320 I'll bring it back because we kind of derailed a little bit here.

08:02:03.100 So I made the argument that I think men have been more oppressed than women.

08:02:07.180 Okay.

08:02:07.520 I'm not really, I'm more so talking to you.

08:02:10.520 I mean, do you disagree?

08:02:15.460 I disagree with your argument, but I can understand how you came to reach your argument.

08:02:22.120 Like, I understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it necessarily.

08:02:24.880 So I would assume then that your position is women have been more oppressed than men.

08:02:31.040 I've discussed this at length, and I'd like us to move to a different question.

08:02:34.520 I feel like our debate is kind of getting into the area of, like, beating a dead horse, and I feel like we've been so far.

08:02:39.340 Well, no, I mean, I haven't really made my case, but...

08:02:42.180 Then you can make your case.

08:02:43.360 Okay, so I still would like an answer from you on this, though.

08:02:48.000 I...

08:02:48.560 So if you're saying that my position is wrong, essentially, you're saying you understand how I feel,

08:02:54.860 then your position surely must be that women have been and are more oppressed than men.

08:03:01.640 I have tried explaining my position, and I just...

08:03:06.420 Right, so I'm just asking for an answer.

08:03:08.520 I have tried.

08:03:09.420 I have given you an answer in the past, and you have done these things.

08:03:13.280 You've shown me how men are...

08:03:15.380 Men face different forms of discrimination, right?

08:03:18.080 And I'd like us to move to a different subject, if that's possible.

08:03:21.560 Well, I haven't been able to really lay out my own position on this, so...

08:03:24.980 Okay, then lay it out, and instead of asking me to answer a question, I'll listen.

08:03:27.960 Well, that's the nature of this conversation.

08:03:30.060 I'm asking you questions.

08:03:32.160 I have answered a lot of questions, and I'm really getting tired, if I'm being honest.

08:03:37.100 I am not at the...

08:03:38.420 So I can actually make my argument, though, but you have to at least engage.

08:03:42.480 If you actually just answered the question, I'd be able to move it on a little faster.

08:03:47.800 Can we please move on to a different question?

08:03:50.080 Well, I have...

08:03:50.740 We haven't finished the conversation at hand.

08:03:53.820 Does the conversation need to have a natural end?

08:03:56.060 I want to move on to a different question.

08:03:58.740 Well, I mean, this is really the last thing I want to talk about, so...

08:04:01.280 I mean, it's the final thing.

08:04:02.480 Okay.

08:04:02.900 So there's not really anything I want to move it on to.

08:04:05.840 Like, I want to have this conversation.

08:04:07.880 We've got to wrap the show.

08:04:08.620 It's already late.

08:04:10.180 Yeah.

08:04:10.560 Yeah.

08:04:10.940 Well, okay.

08:04:12.180 So I guess adding on...

08:04:14.580 Well, so...

08:04:16.000 Okay.

08:04:16.660 Go ahead.

08:04:17.100 You want to go ahead?

08:04:17.980 All right.

08:04:18.260 Yeah, yeah.

08:04:18.580 So if we can go back and forth and play this oppression Olympics until we're all dead and buried, it doesn't matter because nature has dictated that, again, I'm going to say it, men and women are different.

08:04:36.960 Therefore, men's struggles are going to be different than women's struggles.

08:04:39.820 I don't even think Brian and I are saying that it's inappropriate that men have been oppressed more than women in history.

08:04:51.900 I think because men have the overwhelming responsibility to take leadership because of physical characteristics, because of how men act, what their natural proclivities are,

08:05:05.680 because we have more responsibility to do these things, the punishment for shirking those responsibilities or the consequences of failing in those tasks are going to be, I guess, disproportionately efficacious towards men instead of women.

08:05:27.640 So I don't think we...

08:05:30.980 I don't know what Brian's point would say about this, but I'm not saying that, like, it's wrong that men are more oppressed by nature or have been more oppressed.

08:05:44.980 I just think it's a matter of reality, and it's not going to change no matter how much we want to argue against it.

08:05:52.080 Well, I have a question to bring it back to my point.

08:05:54.100 Do you think women should be subject to military conscription, the draft?

08:05:58.600 I don't...

08:05:59.840 I don't know.

08:06:01.320 I think that's a more complex question than I want to answer right now.

08:06:04.940 I don't know.

08:06:11.440 If I told you that men are subject to forced military conscription, they are...

08:06:17.640 Actually, I think now are automatically registered.

08:06:21.360 I don't know if it's passed.

08:06:22.060 Once you turn 18, you're automatically registered.

08:06:24.620 It's now...

08:06:25.280 Is it fully passed?

08:06:26.960 Because I think it had to go through...

08:06:29.280 It got through the house, but it has to go to the...

08:06:32.520 In any case, men are the...

08:06:35.440 Men are solely subjects of...

08:06:37.800 You know, they have to register for the draft, and in the event of a draft, they would be the...

08:06:42.880 Solely subject to forced military conscription.

08:06:45.720 Given that, do you think that women...

08:06:49.520 It should be equalized between men and women?

08:06:54.940 If I'm being honest, I don't think that men should even be drafted into the military in this sense.

08:07:00.040 Okay.

08:07:00.700 Well...

08:07:00.980 That's my personal opinion.

08:07:01.920 So, but the current status quo is that they are, and assuming that we'll never be able to do away with a draft, would your...

08:07:11.620 Is your position or...

08:07:14.340 Is your position that women should also be drafted?

08:07:17.640 Yeah, probably.

08:07:18.560 I do agree with that, yeah.

08:07:19.600 Okay, so you're fine with women being drafted?

08:07:23.140 Okay.

08:07:23.720 But you don't really hear...

08:07:24.980 You know, it would be in furtherance of equality, but you typically don't hear feminists arguing that women should be subject to the draft.

08:07:32.360 When I'm arguing for feminism, I know we talk a lot about equality.

08:07:35.920 I think it's more of a question of equity.

08:07:37.660 Because, like, you're describing...

08:07:39.040 I agree with you that the discrimination that men and women experience is different.

08:07:42.220 Like, I agree with you on that.

08:07:43.640 And I think in order to remedy that, equality is not the solution.

08:07:46.760 It's equity, and it's more specific, nuanced solutions.

08:07:50.780 What do you mean by equity?

08:07:52.300 Equity, it's essentially just accounting for the fact that people, based on various identity factors, have different experiences, right?

08:08:00.780 Like, you have...

08:08:02.240 You face different...

08:08:03.140 It's like you face discrimination in a way that I don't, right?

08:08:06.760 We could agree on that, right?

08:08:08.560 So that way, in order for us to...

08:08:11.440 For the playing field to be, like, more leveled, and I hate using that term,

08:08:15.220 the solutions are going to be different.

08:08:16.900 Like, I think you agree with that, don't you, that the...

08:08:19.840 Wait, so then are you making an equity argument against the draft?

08:08:23.520 Well, okay, so...

08:08:24.160 Not necessarily.

08:08:25.080 I guess my understanding of equity...

08:08:27.600 So, it sounds like what you're saying is my understanding of equality,

08:08:31.900 where everyone has the same starting point.

08:08:34.500 And what you do depends...

08:08:36.880 So, how far you get is dependent upon what you do.

08:08:40.920 And my understanding of equity is that people's starting position will be different...

08:08:48.480 Yes.

08:08:48.820 ...so that everybody will end up at the same place.

08:08:53.960 So, everyone's...

08:08:54.960 So, people...

08:08:55.820 Essentially, it's equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity.

08:09:01.440 Equality of outcome being equity and equality of opportunity being...

08:09:04.920 Wait, so what...

08:09:05.820 I mean, when it comes to military conscription, what would be equity?

08:09:08.700 The current status quo?

08:09:12.900 I think it would also have to address the fact that men have been subjected to being drafted.

08:09:17.060 And, like, like you're saying, facing forms of discrimination that are different.

08:09:21.440 That is a form...

08:09:23.280 That's just an experience that men have had that women have had.

08:09:25.740 I mean, are men stronger?

08:09:27.440 Finish your statement.

08:09:28.280 Finish your statement.

08:09:28.800 The solution would need to take that into account, is what I'm saying.

08:09:31.720 So, you're saying it should be women would then be overrepresented in a draft?

08:09:35.500 No, not necessarily.

08:09:36.500 I don't...

08:09:37.660 If I'm being honest, I'm a 21-year-old college student.

08:09:40.580 I do not have the answer to this question.

08:09:42.360 I do not.

08:09:42.940 I don't truly think there is a right or wrong answer.

08:09:46.280 I think it depends on your perspective.

08:09:47.400 There's not a right or wrong answer.

08:09:49.320 I...

08:09:49.880 In my view, I do not have a singular answer to this question right now.

08:09:54.680 I do not.

08:09:55.200 But, I mean, if you're a feminist and you believe in equality, wouldn't it occur to you that the equal thing would be both men and women should be subject to forced military conscription in the event of a draft?

08:10:10.160 I'm not sure.

08:10:11.080 I would have more time to think about this, if I'm being honest.

08:10:14.100 But what is there to...

08:10:14.980 I don't understand what there is to think about it.

08:10:15.940 If you hold, like, an equality of outcome as, like, your...

08:10:22.100 This is something we should strive for.

08:10:24.100 So, in the event of a draft, the outcome would be people, regardless of sex, being forced to be put into the military.

08:10:32.280 Now, if we include sex into that argument, then to achieve equality of outcome, an equal amount of men and an equal amount of women would have to be forced to join the military.

08:10:44.740 So, you would be for that because you hold the value that equality of outcome should be pursued.

08:10:51.640 I think you guys raise interesting points.

08:10:54.260 I would need more information, more time to process, and, like, just research on my own in order to form a singular answer myself.

08:11:01.360 And I'm sorry if that's not satisfying to you guys.

08:11:04.140 I guess I'm just confused.

08:11:05.800 I mean, it would occur to me that if feminism is about equality, and here is a way in which men and women are not equal, and it could be legislated fairly simply to just say women get the same treatment as men and would be subject to forced military conscription in the event of a draft.

08:11:27.900 They would have to register for the draft the same way men do.

08:11:30.140 They would face the same consequences that men do when they don't register for the selective service.

08:11:38.040 It's just I can't – I don't understand how, as a feminist and someone who's in favor of equality, your knee-jerk reaction isn't to just say, yes, that would be equality.

08:11:47.580 I'm in favor of equality.

08:11:48.600 I think that women – and I said earlier that I think that, yes, this is an issue that needs to be remedied.

08:11:54.900 It probably is including that in some sense.

08:11:58.660 But I don't have an answer in the fact that, like, the equity versus equality distinction.

08:12:04.240 I would need more time in order to form that opinion.

08:12:07.940 See, it's – so, I mean –

08:12:10.080 I feel like I keep repeating myself, and I feel like this isn't going anywhere, if I'm being honest.

08:12:15.860 I have a quick question, if I'm allowed to talk about that.

08:12:18.200 Well, I'm trying to – I guess I'm trying to walk you to –

08:12:21.640 Yeah.

08:12:22.140 You believe in equality.

08:12:23.380 You're a feminist.

08:12:24.500 Yeah.

08:12:24.600 How would it not be equality for both men and women to be both equally subject to forced military conscription in the event of a draft?

08:12:37.520 Are you saying that would not be equality?

08:12:42.780 I'm saying that it's an –

08:12:46.780 Could you just – could you just agree that it would be an equal outcome?

08:12:50.680 If a draft were to happen, and if we're talking about equality among the sexes, would it not be – just take out all of the social, political charge that comes with it.

08:13:06.920 Would it just not be equal in the outcome if men and women both got military conscription?

08:13:15.080 It would be equal in the outcome.

08:13:16.540 Okay, there you go.

08:13:17.180 But you can't remove the social charge.

08:13:19.320 It's not how the world works.

08:13:19.980 I'm sorry, the social what?

08:13:21.500 You can't – you're asking me to remove the layers of the –

08:13:25.220 What layers?

08:13:26.680 I don't want to get into this right now.

08:13:28.360 Well, I mean, when it comes to – do you think that women should be barred from volunteering for the military?

08:13:33.580 No, I never said that.

08:13:35.100 I'm not saying you did.

08:13:36.360 Do you want to share –

08:13:37.280 I'm not – so I'm not saying that you did, but if you're fine with women being in the volunteer military,

08:13:44.940 then why would you not also be fine with women being forced into – like, if there's a draft for forced military conscription?

08:13:54.860 Like, you don't think they should be barred from volunteering from the military, correct?

08:14:02.100 My earlier point was that I don't think that anyone should be forced to do that.

08:14:12.160 Okay, but that's not the current system.

08:14:14.280 I know it's not, but I don't –

08:14:16.400 Okay, so assuming in a world –

08:14:18.560 Personally, I don't think it's fair to force anyone to do that.

08:14:20.180 Right, but in a world where war happens and there's military conflicts,

08:14:24.400 assuming in a world where you could never get rid of the draft, what is your prescription there?

08:14:42.200 I have something to say.

08:14:43.640 If you believe in equality, men and women should both be drafted.

08:14:46.780 Women can always be in supportive roles.

08:14:49.540 They can do logging positions, BFM positions, whatever, whatever.

08:14:52.360 If you're a man, you can be there on the front lines.

08:14:55.240 It doesn't have to be the same job.

08:14:57.400 You can still have equality within being drafted, men and women.

08:15:02.480 So, yes, it is possible.

08:15:03.420 The issue is people love talking about let's find equality of outcome,

08:15:08.760 but then when it comes to issues like this where it's obvious that men should be the ones fighting

08:15:14.560 because they are different than women.

08:15:16.900 So you guys are stronger, so you guys should be the ones getting drafted.

08:15:19.880 Okay, so when it comes to male roles in this place, when it benefits women, you're all for it.

08:15:26.760 What?

08:15:27.140 But when other effects occur, you're all against it.

08:15:30.740 It doesn't make sense.

08:15:31.600 Why would it mean that we're all for it?

08:15:32.320 No, when you sit there and you say feminism, first of all, feminism is not for equality at all.

08:15:37.300 Feminism is putting women ahead of men.

08:15:39.900 That's what it is.

08:15:40.460 That's what it came up as, but that's not what it should be.

08:15:43.660 It doesn't mean it what it should be.

08:15:44.340 That's how it always started.

08:15:46.060 If you want really quality, both should be.

08:15:48.340 Okay, well, if it was truly about equality, then this should be answered in an instant.

08:15:57.540 Yes, women should be drafted.

08:15:59.020 Because then it would be, okay.

08:16:01.220 I said yes.

08:16:01.800 That's fair.

08:16:02.120 Okay, yes.

08:16:02.940 But most feminists don't like to say that, because all of a sudden it brings up all of these issues.

08:16:08.460 Like, okay, well, it just feels wrong, because obviously...

08:16:14.260 It feels wrong.

08:16:14.860 It felt wrong for men to think that we could possibly be in the same role in a war.

08:16:20.840 I agree.

08:16:21.560 I agree.

08:16:22.480 But that works for us if we want to get drafted.

08:16:25.160 Yeah, well, that goes to my worldview, that men and women are intrinsically different.

08:16:29.900 Therefore, they will have intrinsically different experiences.

08:16:33.500 They will have intrinsically different downsides to their life as a man, woman.

08:16:39.400 Yeah.

08:16:39.800 So it doesn't matter.

08:16:41.100 No matter how hard we try to work against that, we will always have biology, being a man

08:16:47.020 or a woman, that will dictate what our experience will be.

08:16:51.000 So it doesn't matter.

08:16:52.480 We can try to make that outcome equal.

08:16:55.980 It's impossible.

08:16:57.140 But she also did make a good point about still being rolled with a man.

08:17:01.480 I don't believe in the whole feminist bullshit, but I do believe if men are going to be drafted,

08:17:06.920 women should be drafted.

08:17:08.000 Again, separate roles.

08:17:10.320 Men can be on the front lines.

08:17:11.620 Women should be supporting the men.

08:17:13.540 We shouldn't just let them all...

08:17:14.860 Like, oh, you guys go figure it out.

08:17:16.460 Yeah.

08:17:17.120 Well, see, here's where I even differ there.

08:17:19.480 For the actual pure sake of pure, unadulterated equality, women should also be...

08:17:27.020 Put them on the front lines.

08:17:28.320 Put on the front lines.

08:17:29.200 Do it.

08:17:29.920 If they're physically able to, do it.

08:17:32.500 But apparently we haven't been physically able to equally.

08:17:35.780 That would be equality.

08:17:36.820 That's equality of outcome because an equal amount of women are getting slaughtered as an equal amount of men.

08:17:43.060 So the outcome is equal.

08:17:45.440 Well, that's what we're talking about.

08:17:46.820 We want equality.

08:17:47.640 If equality is our ultimate goal, then we should pursue equality in all things.

08:17:52.680 Therefore, we need to pursue equality in how many people die in war.

08:17:57.220 I guess.

08:17:58.260 Brian, I'll be on the front lines.

08:17:59.000 See, it doesn't make any sense.

08:17:59.880 Give me a sniper.

08:18:00.700 Therefore, feminism doesn't make sense.

08:18:02.940 Why are we pursuing that?

08:18:05.660 There we go.

08:18:06.720 It doesn't make sense.

08:18:07.500 But this is the criticism...

08:18:09.860 I apologize if there's a goal and what it's turned into doesn't make sense to you.

08:18:12.200 This is the criticism of feminism.

08:18:14.840 Yes.

08:18:15.300 Exactly.

08:18:16.240 It's that it's not about...

08:18:18.600 Okay.

08:18:19.060 Feminism is not about equality.

08:18:21.440 It's about securing benefits for women.

08:18:23.640 If a form of equality in some conceivable way comes at the detriment of women, for example, it would be equality for both men and women to be drafted.

08:18:35.900 But it would conceivably come as a new detriment to women.

08:18:40.760 It's like pulling teeth.

08:18:42.060 Feminists will not fight for said equality, even though it is equality.

08:18:47.960 So, of course, feminism is not an equality movement.

08:18:51.060 It's, if I can be the most charitable, it's a women's advocacy movement.

08:18:55.340 Nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but let's not sit here and lie and say that it's equality.

08:19:02.740 It's not about equality.

08:19:04.060 It never has been.

08:19:04.840 Okay.

08:19:05.400 Otherwise, they would be advocating for all sorts of things that would conceivably come at the detriment and to the detriment of women, but they don't.

08:19:14.240 I think we're both equally skewed, and this is never going to, like, really...

08:19:18.440 Anyways, I mean, I'm just surprised that the feminist here who's taken feminist classes just, I mean, it's...

08:19:25.300 She's also fresh and learning these things.

08:19:29.120 She's 21.

08:19:29.920 Yeah, all right.

08:19:30.840 She's an adult.

08:19:31.300 I also, we've been going at this for hours.

08:19:34.160 I'm tired.

08:19:36.040 I think that we have had very different experiences that have shaped different viewpoints.

08:19:39.940 I've explained my position.

08:19:41.160 You guys have explained yours.

08:19:42.700 I don't think a resolution is going to be reached.

08:19:44.920 What would our experiences...

08:19:46.420 I haven't been drafted for war.

08:19:48.420 I'm not sure what...

08:19:49.200 I think you can explain your perspective.

08:19:50.660 But how would our lived experiences have anything to do with what is a hypothetical scenario where there's a draft?

08:20:01.120 Granted, there are actually tangible things, like I had to register for the Selective Service and able to get the right to vote.

08:20:07.180 You don't.

08:20:08.640 If I didn't register for the Selective Service, I would face all sorts of penalties.

08:20:12.860 I would be barred from certain federal jobs.

08:20:15.520 There's fines.

08:20:16.240 I could be prosecuted.

08:20:18.420 What else?

08:20:19.060 There's also, you can't get certain student loans, federal student loans, for example.

08:20:26.180 You can't get certain government jobs.

08:20:28.600 So, I'm confused why our lived experiences have anything to do with you being able to acknowledge that women...

08:20:40.400 Like, I'm just confused.

08:20:41.320 As a feminist, you seem to be in favor of equality.

08:20:44.640 Why can't you just say women should be subject to the draft the same way men are?

08:20:50.040 I think that you want to get an answer out of me.

08:20:53.220 That's the answer that you want to hear.

08:20:54.680 And I don't think we're going to reach a resolution.

08:20:55.900 No.

08:20:56.000 I think we just want logic to be applied to this specific scenario.

08:21:02.040 Okay.

08:21:02.140 Well, it's because we're engaging with a logical conclusion that if feminism is really, truly about equality, then in the most extreme cases, it should still be about equality.

08:21:16.220 We've proven that it's not because any time...

08:21:19.200 We've had this conversation multiple times with many women.

08:21:21.960 Any time we bring up this instance, it's like pulling teeth.

08:21:25.620 You cannot get people to be logical about this.

08:21:28.120 You can't get feminists to be logical about this because it's the most extreme example of equality.

08:21:34.620 And they will not agree that it should be equal because they will try to jump through all these hula hoops.

08:21:41.360 Equity, yeah.

08:21:42.020 Yeah, it's all this crazy...

08:21:45.160 Not many objections have been coming right now.

08:21:47.480 Acrobatics and it's...

08:21:48.260 Oh, my gosh.

08:21:48.920 It's so exhausting because all we want to do, just follow the logical trail and it's impossible to do so.

08:21:56.520 Well, I mean, you agreed.

08:21:58.600 You agreed.

08:21:59.060 You agreed to the logic that if we really wanted to be free, then they're equal, then...

08:22:04.860 Are you willing to...

08:22:05.980 Are you willing to...

08:22:06.640 If I ask you the question, are you willing to concede that feminism is not about equality?

08:22:11.340 I think that feminism is about equity and I think I mentioned that earlier.

08:22:15.740 I'm a little confused what the difference between equity and equality.

08:22:19.920 Equity takes into account the fact that due to different identity factors, people have different experiences.

08:22:24.960 So what would preclude...

08:22:27.460 Women actually, I think, make excellent snipers.

08:22:30.500 What would preclude a woman from being drafted to be a sniper?

08:22:33.760 I would love that.

08:22:35.120 I am not familiar enough with the military to engage in this discussion and we're not going to reach a resolution.

08:22:41.600 I'm sorry.

08:22:43.280 Okay, well, I mean, it's a little shifting goalpost, though.

08:22:46.380 So, I mean, couldn't we just return this equity thing?

08:22:49.300 I mean, you mentioned the wage gap.

08:22:52.000 I mean, wouldn't there be perhaps equitable reasons for why that exists, even though it's been debunked on the show?

08:22:59.500 I have explained my point of view.

08:23:01.580 You've explained yours.

08:23:02.140 Can I ask you...

08:23:02.680 Okay, so if a corporation said...

08:23:04.640 This isn't productive.

08:23:05.500 Can I ask you a question?

08:23:06.060 So if a corporation said, for equity reasons, we've determined that men should be paid more than women, for equity reasons, would you think that that's fair?

08:23:16.720 No, personally not.

08:23:17.880 But we're not going to reach a resolution.

08:23:19.680 I don't think we...

08:23:20.340 But it is fair to say...

08:23:20.960 I don't think we see eye on this and that's okay.

08:23:23.340 I'm fine with that.

08:23:24.220 Can you please be fine with that, too?

08:23:25.720 That we're just not going to see eye on this.

08:23:27.200 But why is it equity only to the benefit of women?

08:23:31.740 Equity should be to the benefit.

08:23:33.080 It considers everyone, but I have told you guys that I am tired.

08:23:38.060 I don't think we're going to reach a resolution.

08:23:39.340 We understand, but it's like you're using your physical exhaustion to not engage with a logical argument.

08:23:50.400 We're just asking simple...

08:23:53.020 Can you follow this logical trail and agree that it's logical?

08:23:57.500 And you just will not do that.

08:24:00.520 And it's not just you.

08:24:02.560 It's pretty much every feminist I've ever talked to is unable to do that.

08:24:08.400 I don't understand why it's so difficult.

08:24:10.860 Because I can engage with a logical argument.

08:24:13.260 I can...

08:24:13.900 If someone provides me with logical arguments for why my point of view is wrong,

08:24:18.980 I am able to walk down that logical trail with them and agree with them,

08:24:23.040 okay, that's logical, that's logical.

08:24:24.560 If equality is really what I'm looking for, or equity is really what I'm looking for,

08:24:28.760 I can walk down this logical trail and I can agree with you.

08:24:31.960 Or I can find the place where your logic deviates from my logic and we can discuss that.

08:24:39.440 This has not been that.

08:24:41.400 You have not been able to provide us where our logic is flawed.

08:24:45.040 It's always come down to either I'm tired or it's complicated, I can't explain it.

08:24:52.180 If you can't explain it, I just don't know why you have such a strong opinion on the matter.

08:24:59.940 When obviously our opinion has been a lot more logical, we've been able to draw more logical conclusions.

08:25:06.180 I just don't...

08:25:07.640 That's what's mind-numbing over here.

08:25:09.760 That's why we're trying to push this subject so heavily.

08:25:12.720 Well, there's also a bit of shifting the goalposts.

08:25:17.500 So when it suits you as a feminist, you want equality.

08:25:22.040 But when it doesn't suit you, you want equity.

08:25:24.260 You want to pick and choose when to apply equality and when to apply equity, which I find interesting.

08:25:31.440 In any case, I don't think we're going to get really any engagement on this.

08:25:35.020 It was an interesting conversation.

08:25:37.820 So I think we're going to wrap up the show.

08:25:39.520 Oh, this has been a very long, super fucking...

08:25:44.160 God damn, I wanted it and out.

08:25:45.540 Okay, all right.

08:25:46.300 Well, with that said, though, it was very interesting tangling with you on this.

08:25:52.500 It was interesting hearing your guys' perspectives.

08:25:54.320 I want you to know, even though we disagree, I thought you were actually...

08:25:59.300 It made for an interesting show.

08:26:01.140 If people just agree with everything, things can be kind of dull.

08:26:05.300 Or if they provide no pushback.

08:26:06.640 So I actually want to commend you for providing pushback on my worldview, I think on Mason's worldview.

08:26:13.780 If everyone just agreed with us, it would be rather...

08:26:15.960 It would be kind of boring.

08:26:17.040 It would be a dull affair.

08:26:18.740 You can't expect everyone to agree on everything.

08:26:20.720 It's just part of the human condition.

08:26:22.780 I appreciate you guys being civil and I appreciate you guys sharing your perspectives.

08:26:26.820 I found them very interesting.

08:26:27.840 Yeah, so I do, yes, certainly want to thank you for...

08:26:32.600 And obviously, I hold, even though we disagreed, hold no ill will towards you at all.

08:26:38.220 It's just a delay.

08:26:39.120 I don't hold any in custody.

08:26:40.680 Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.

08:26:41.400 Of course, yeah.

08:26:42.300 Cool, cool, cool.

08:26:43.320 Anyways, we're going to try to get everybody out here.

08:26:45.400 Where's Moda?

08:26:46.840 She's just back there.

08:26:47.600 I'm going to wrap the show.

08:26:48.400 Come say bye.

08:26:48.920 Or did she...

08:26:51.320 She's doing a toke in the...

08:26:54.520 Toke?

08:26:55.360 I don't know.

08:26:55.940 She came back from the bathroom.

08:26:57.000 She was fucking...

08:26:58.920 Zooted!

08:26:59.700 Okay.

08:27:00.320 All right.

08:27:01.220 Morgan, two chats.

08:27:02.600 We'll have you read them and then...

08:27:04.860 Seeing conversations like this take place, I have become more convinced that the 19th Amendment

08:27:11.940 needs to be repealed.

08:27:13.120 Bro, that's...

08:27:14.020 Desert Joe...

08:27:14.540 Good thing you're not the queen of the USA.

08:27:16.500 Desert Joe, you are a sexist.

08:27:18.920 And a misogynist.

08:27:20.440 I disavow this statement.

08:27:23.220 I do think women should be able to vote.

08:27:25.740 Hey, that's something we agree upon.

08:27:27.400 Yeah.

08:27:27.800 But I also think they should be forced into the military and also be forced to die and

08:27:32.280 shit.

08:27:32.520 But that's, you know...

08:27:33.960 Does that make me more of a feminist or more of a misogynist?

08:27:37.320 I don't know.

08:27:37.940 It makes you a feminist.

08:27:39.780 Okay.

08:27:40.300 All right.

08:27:41.640 And then Morgan wants more on this one.

08:27:44.480 You can't hyphenate a word and change the root meaning of the word.

08:27:48.180 Toxic behavior has nothing to do with masculinity.

08:27:51.300 Being masculine isn't toxic.

08:27:53.220 You're being gaslit, ladies.

08:27:55.820 Okay.

08:27:56.460 Thank you, Ben George.

08:27:57.220 Appreciate it, bro.

08:27:58.780 Thank you, buddy.

08:28:02.220 She's nice, Brian.

08:28:03.140 If not equitable or logical.

08:28:04.660 Okay.

08:28:04.860 Thank you, Ben.

08:28:05.420 Oh, whoops.

08:28:06.140 I meant to pull this one up.

08:28:07.140 So draft the F out of women, D-E-I.

08:28:10.260 Let's be equitable.

08:28:11.160 Think of it as reparations for men.

08:28:14.700 You know what?

08:28:16.240 That would be equitable.

08:28:18.560 It's actually for the next thousand years.

08:28:22.200 Only women.

08:28:22.780 Only women get to go to war and do the fighting.

08:28:26.700 You know, I think that's, that would be equity, actually.

08:28:29.780 It shouldn't be equal draft.

08:28:31.640 It should be.

08:28:32.640 Do you know how quickly America would just disappear?

08:28:35.800 You talk to women.

08:28:37.240 You talk to women on a bi-weekly basis.

08:28:41.000 You think they can protect you?

08:28:43.700 You are a sexist.

08:28:44.660 Yes, I am.

08:28:45.420 Women are good at pulling triggers.

08:28:48.620 Okay.

08:28:49.000 A woman can shoot a gun.

08:28:50.860 I will not stand for your sexism.

08:28:52.960 If you pick a rando person out here.

08:28:55.080 Almost done.

08:28:55.700 You're going to sit there and you're going to trust them to shoot a gun?

08:28:57.880 Straight?

08:28:58.600 Oh, look at this.

08:28:59.300 We got a prospect.

08:28:59.460 Walking Moscow underscore on underscore YouTube donated $201.

08:29:04.040 She keeps saying, quote, if I'm being honest, end quote.

08:29:09.080 As she has been lying all other times when yapping from her soup ghouler.

08:29:13.640 By the way, check out my bowling trick shot on my short for levity.

08:29:17.900 Okay.

08:29:18.940 Bowling.

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08:29:21.060 Thank you for sharing.

08:29:22.920 This guy's a fucking legend.

08:29:25.280 Who do you think you are?

08:29:26.560 I am.

08:29:28.080 What's a good bowling score?

08:29:29.720 Like hitting a...

08:29:30.560 300.

08:29:31.300 Yeah.

08:29:31.620 You getting 300?

08:29:32.500 Okay, cool, man.

08:29:33.220 Thank you.

08:29:33.480 So, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever drops to follow in Prime Sub if you have one.

08:29:38.940 Do we raid somebody else?

08:29:40.080 See if I can do it super quick.

08:29:41.920 All right, guys.

08:29:42.560 Switch.tv slash whatever.

08:29:43.480 Guys, it's been 35 minutes since we've had a Prime.

08:29:47.080 Can I get to little...

08:29:48.340 I think it's bugged.

08:29:49.320 Can somebody do a little Twitch Prime in the chat?

08:29:52.180 Who's...

08:29:52.900 Okay, we're going to raid Frost Adamus.

08:29:56.360 Nick, if you can pull up Frost Adamus.

08:29:57.740 He's playing World of Warcraft Classic Fresh on Deviant Delight.

08:30:03.360 With that, while I'm getting that all figured out, GG, well played to the panel.

08:30:08.440 Last call, guys.

08:30:09.140 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

08:30:11.160 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

08:30:12.000 You can be anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

08:30:14.260 I appreciate that.

08:30:15.140 Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.

08:30:17.400 We will be live again Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.

08:30:21.140 Got a good show for you guys.

08:30:23.100 So that should be a good one.

08:30:24.320 Any girls who want to be on the show, DM at whatever on Instagram, if you can make it

08:30:27.840 to Santa Barbara.

08:30:29.200 07's in the chat.

08:30:30.480 I hope you guys have a good night.

08:30:32.640 Nick, let's do the raid real quick for him.

08:30:36.460 All right, thank you guys for watching over there on Twitch.

08:30:39.080 I'm going to raid our boy.

08:30:40.760 He's in Romania.

08:30:41.660 Tell him to walk upstairs.

08:30:45.240 Good morning, Pyroflexian.

08:30:46.620 How are you doing?

08:30:47.660 Okay, I'm raiding.

08:30:48.680 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

08:30:49.820 Send the raid now.

08:30:50.920 How are you doing, man?

08:30:52.100 He's jammed.

08:30:55.180 Boom, he's got a jam.

08:30:57.500 He's jamming.

08:30:58.980 Spice work.

08:30:59.600 All right.

08:31:00.600 He's got that music going.

08:31:02.020 Look at this.

08:31:02.680 Wow, what a legend with his high-quality streamer.

08:31:05.360 Look at this guy.

08:31:06.160 He's in Undercity right now.

08:31:08.660 He's in Undercity just doing jack shit.

08:31:11.960 He's not even in the web.

08:31:13.220 He's just chilling.

08:31:14.180 He's probably playing the auction now.

08:31:15.200 Oh, Brian with the big, huge raid.

08:31:17.200 Oh my God.

08:31:19.400 Welcome, everyone, boys.

08:31:20.440 Oh my God.

08:31:21.440 Oh my God.

08:31:22.640 Okay, cool.

08:31:23.620 Nice.

08:31:24.080 All right, that's it.

08:31:24.760 Cool.

08:31:25.020 That's huge raid.

08:31:27.080 All right, guys.

08:31:27.660 Let me just double check.

08:31:28.480 No, we got no chance.

08:31:29.600 Okay, we're all good.

08:31:30.400 Okay, guys.

08:31:31.140 Thank you for it.

08:31:31.760 Thank you for...

08:31:32.580 Did we do body count?

08:31:34.060 Yeah, we did.

08:31:34.460 Okay.

08:31:34.760 All right, good night, guys.

08:31:35.820 Good night.

08:31:36.240 We'll see you on Tuesday.

08:31:37.240 Thank you for tuning in.

08:31:38.000 Good night, guys.

08:31:38.460 Good night.

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RAGE QUIT! Andrew Wilson! She WILL NOT Date A Man Who Can't Drive Stick？! ｜ Dating Talk #176

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