She BETRAYED Brian？! FERAL Gen Z California College Girls？! She Says Men Are GROSS？! ｜ Dating Talk #257
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6 hours and 22 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we're joined by Jay Ekin to talk about the dangers of popping your own glass of bubbly, and why you should never pop a glass of champagne in front of your significant other.
Transcript
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Jay, literally three seconds before we went live, I almost took my eyeball out.
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I was going to pop it as soon as we transitioned.
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But unfortunately, yeah, it had a mind of its own.
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I'm going to pour the champagne here to get everybody going.
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Anyways, welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast.
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We try to make sense of the modern dating housecape.
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We've got a few quick announcements before the show begins.
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If you want to jump into the convo nearly instantly, I timed the champagne pop terribly, by the way.
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Consider sending a TTS text-to-speech message to $200 and up triggers TTS.
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Also via Streamlabs, you can mute a microphone, pop a ball of champagne.
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Or if you're a real ball or a real Jew, we have some crypto-only options.
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We have like a ball of cristal that you can pop, like $500 ball of champagne.
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So without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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Please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you are from, and education.
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It happened literally three seconds before we went live.
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That was the easiest champagne opening ever, which means a lot on the Whatever Podcast.
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I frequently struggle with opening champagne bottles.
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Anyways, I guess since we have some people who are not 21, just you can cheers with your water.
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Almost not having a retina attached to my epineus.
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I specialize in yoga, health and wellness, lifestyle coaching, and I'm also a full-service
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Oh, and I also help women in the sex work industry either transition out or help them,
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I'm a server at a sushi restaurant, and I go to the city college, and I'm studying psychology.
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Do you have a sense of what you want to do after you graduate from college?
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I would like to go on and go to graduate school and then become a psychiatrist and not prescribe
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Like, yeah, honestly, a lot, especially, like, ADHD medication.
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Like, I think Adderall is, like, really messing kids up.
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God, why are we talking about my psychiatric medications?
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Can you just list all the meds you're currently taking?
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No, the teachers were like, what's wrong with this kid?
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But was it something your parents noticed, or did the teachers go to your parents and
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I have a similar story where I think I was maybe in second grade.
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And I think it's normal behavior for, like, five, six, seven, eight, nine-year-olds to
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To sit them down in a seat for eight hours a day.
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And sit there, listen to my boring ass, you know?
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I'm going to dox her on this podcast right now.
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And you said you want to become a psychiatrist.
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So you don't have to prescribe people mind-altering medication.
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I'm from Oregon, and also the Bay, before here.
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That's just more of my plan for, like, income-wise, but my actual plan is to, like, pursue music
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And me and my sister make, like, tracks digitally for me to sing on.
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But, yeah, if I can say this, Bella's Vocals is my TikTok for music.
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And you're both, you both are from San Francisco?
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I'm a first year, and I'm a business major, but I don't know what I want to do with that
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I'm from Santa Barbara County, and I want to be a radiation therapist.
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When you say you're from Santa Barbara County, are you from north, south, or Santa Barbara?
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And you said you wanted to be a radiation tech?
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I'm 30, and I'm a tattoo artist, and I do, like, murals and stuff like that.
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I can put my tongue in, like, two different ice creams.
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It only took seven days, so the tongue is, like, the fastest healing body part in the body.
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Uh, I'm from Oceanside, California, but I live in Oklahoma.
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Um, I went to college for a little bit, but then I dropped out and became an entrepreneur pretty much instead.
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Oh, I'm a tattoo artist, and I do, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I do, like, custom canvases and murals and stuff.
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I'm from Las Vegas, Nevada, but I currently live in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
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I have a master's degree, and I currently work as an addiction counselor.
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Can you explain to, perhaps, viewers who don't know what that is, what is forensic psychology?
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Forensic psychology is the study of criminal behavior and psychology, kind of combined.
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Like, what is behind people's behaviors and why they commit certain crimes and things like that.
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No, no, my specialty, and it's an essay offender registry and why sometimes it could be bad
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I am looking forward to going back to school for my Ph.D. in maybe the next coming year.
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And you're going into your second year, third year?
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We'll get to those, then we'll get into the relationship status.
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He really wants to help everyone learn something.
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What is everyone's current relationship status?
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If you're single, how long have you been single?
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And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
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My longest relationship was probably about four years.
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My longest relationship was like just under two years.
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Uh, the one that ended two weeks ago, how long were you seeing that person?
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We just decided that we were going to be together until we each were like parting ways.
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And so it was kind of pre-planned that you guys were going to stop seeing each other?
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It wasn't really like all right later, but it was definitely like, bye.
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And this is in your, uh, where you live at home?
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Did he go off to college too, or is he staying?
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He goes to school, like, on the East Coast, and he was just going back, and I'm going here.
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So are you guys going to try to meet up, like, during holidays, like Thanksgiving, Christmas?
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No, guys, this is, no, she's not, she's not going to do that.
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I like the honesty of your friends, by the way.
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I'm not going to, I'm not going to go into detail, but.
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I was just like, okay, I'm really busy, like, stop reaching out.
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And he disrespected her boundaries, and he's insecure.
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Going to the two-year relationship that you had, though, who broke up with him for that
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We say now that it was a mutual thing, but I broke up with him.
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My last relationship was, I think, a little, barely under a year ago.
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And my longest relationship was two years total, but off and on.
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How many times was the two-year one off and on?
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Who would, what was the breakdown for each of those times?
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Basically, when we dated, he was two years older than me, and I was only, like, 14 when
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we started dating, and he was, like, just barely 16.
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And, I don't know, I guess I was just going through, like, kind of a rough patch in my
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life, and he didn't know how to, like, um, what's the word?
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So it was, like, on me, because I wasn't, like, probably in the best situation to be in
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Like, I don't have anything against him, but it was just not working.
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And then the most recent one, you said it ended a year ago.
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He just, um, he was just a very jealous person, I think.
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Because we were in the same friend group, this massive friend group, and we all went out
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together, like, whenever we went to, like, parties, like, hangouts or anything.
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And, like, I don't know, I guess, like, even, like, speaking to, like, a guy friend, he'd,
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What's, like, one, two, or three things that you feel, you think you did wrong?
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I think that I had poor communication, because I would get angry, and then instead of being,
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like, hey, I'm mad at you, I would just be, like, you know, like, attitude.
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I think that I definitely could have been better with raising my voice sometimes.
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But, like, yeah, like, I shouldn't, like, doesn't matter.
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But when you say yell, what level of, because there's, there's, not, like, vocal fry screaming,
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Because, like, we had completely different standpoints.
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What was the biggest blow up that you guys had?
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So, basically, the biggest blow up, I have to, like, remember the specifics, but it was
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his birthday, and he was, like, having people over at his house for, like, a party, and then
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he got, like, really drunk, and, like, towards the end of the night, he was, like, oh, like,
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I'm going to drive my, like, some of the rest of our friends home.
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And then he gave me his keys, and I drove our friends, and he came.
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And then after I had dropped off the second friend, he, like, wakes up, and he was, like,
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And he was, like, you have no right to be driving my car using my gas.
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You said that when you were 14, you had a rough patch.
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I mean, I was just, like, there was just a lot of things that I was, like, finding out in that time.
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High school has always been absolute torture for me, except for my last one, because I went to six of them.
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Yes, and then also my mom just, like, often changes where she wants to live.
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So, yeah, I went to a bunch of different high schools.
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But, yeah, like, 14 to 16 was just, like, rough for me.
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And my longest relationship was with my first boyfriend, and it was, like, almost three
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And the, but a month ago, you just got out of something.
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He, I, like, kept asking him, like, like, in the middle of school, I'm like, okay, like,
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And he'd be like, yeah, like, yeah, like, I only want you, like, we're in your distance.
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And then, like, a month before, like, I, like, was, like, before, like, I left, he was like,
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oh, like, I don't know if I want to do it anymore.
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And I was like, you just told me you did, so I believed it.
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People, uh, when they go off to college, oftentimes relationships, even longer relationships like
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yours, people opt to, you know, they want the college experience.
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I, my longest relationship was probably like a year and a half-ish.
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Um, the first time he cheated on me, um, fuck that guy.
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It was two days before my birthday and I told him I loved him and he cheated on me that
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And, um, then the second time he thought I cheated on him.
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And then the third time he really pissed me off.
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So I gave him a letter and made him read it in front of me and told him he couldn't speak
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It was a handwritten letter, but I took a picture.
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And if you, you can omit, like, if it says his name in it or whatever, just omit it.
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Um, while you're getting that, what's your relationship status?
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I had my son when I was 19 and his father died to...
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Um, so he had got, um, surgery in his eye at the hospital because he got glass in it.
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And then he died two days later from a staph infection.
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From the, was it, do you think it was from the hospital or from the glass getting in his eye?
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Um, uh, so I started to, like, kind of look and do some research.
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And one of the main places that people get staph infections in MRSA is actually from hospitals.
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But I was, like, so young, so I didn't even think about, like, malpractice or wrongful death or things like that.
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My son actually had a stroke two years ago, too.
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I guess the lesson is, don't go to the hospital.
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You got a glass in your eye, you gotta lose the eye, I guess.
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Son 11, uh, and then you've been in a one-year relationship.
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How long had you been dating the guy, uh, who had your son?
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Or you had, who had, who you had your son with?
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And I was dating him for like two months before I ended up getting pregnant.
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And then we, and then we were like on and off and very toxic up until he died, honestly.
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It's like not funny, but humor makes it better to deal with.
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I've been single for like four years on and off dating.
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My longest relationship, probably a year and a half.
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What's your, uh, I saw you showed me your dating app profile before.
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I'm not sexually attracted to men, but I am with women, but I do like men emotionally.
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And that's why my last, my last relationship was with a man and he broke up with me because,
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um, I wasn't physically attracted to him in that way.
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Um, so I don't really, I think I'm more homosexual just because of sexuality of it.
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But, um, I guess you would say Demi, um, emotional, um, connection.
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Uh, the, your longest relationship, the one and a half year one, was that with a man or
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Uh, have you had a long-term relationship with any women?
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And so you said you're not sexually attracted to men.
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You're sexually attracted to women, but you, is it, you said you prefer the relationship
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I have a lot of guy friends only because for me, it's easier to get along with them.
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Um, however, I am physically and emotionally and all that attracted to women.
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Um, if I could, I think that's probably why, why I struggle with dating only because I
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So, um, but I do enjoy the company of whoever is around me, I guess.
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I've been single for about two years and my longest was about two years.
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Um, also, why don't we, uh, pass the phone down that way and Nick can retake it.
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Um, so essentially he would get mad at me a lot.
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Like every single day, examples, um, I would be taking a nap and he would say, solo, I can't
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And I would be like, bro, I literally took a nap.
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And another time I was updating my phone and my life 360 turned off because I was updating
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my phone and he, he texted me after, like I saw after it updated and he was like, I can't
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And I was like, I literally have been home watching a movie with my mommy and I, I don't
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He was just really insecure and I told him that and I told him I didn't like that.
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So those were the things he did bad in terms of the letter that you had him write or sorry.
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So how long, like how long did it, did he actually read it?
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So he had to, he was crying while reading the letter.
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Can I interject that he's also like not cute enough to be acting this way?
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Oh wait, no, that's, that's not the one you know.
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I write, I handwrite them a letter and I give it to them.
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Because then they won't interrupt you and you get to get all your thoughts out.
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You're not overstimulated or anything and they can keep it if they're really butthurt.
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What's those things called where somebody goes to your, you can hire a service and then they
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I think you should step it up to the telegram instead.
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But then you don't get to watch the pain and fear in their eyes.
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Well, for my last boyfriend, not the one that I just told you about, but my last boyfriend,
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And this was before we broke up, and he was completely avoiding me, and I was literally
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just going to show up to his house and hand his mom the letter because he's such a mommy's
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Lexi Lovelace, when you walk in, do guys fall for you, or do they just trip over their
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I just know I'm lucky enough to say you've got my heart.
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If you send in a simpish TTS, you have to send in another one as an apology for simping.
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So, Mr. Nobody, you need to, and we'll, you know, if you want to do champagne pop, we'll
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We'll dedicate it to Lexi here, your crush, I guess.
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He shares a lot of love with me, and your love never goes unnoticed, so thank you.
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This next segment is called, we're introducing a new one here, red flag, green flag.
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I'm going to read to you 10 different things, and you're going to, we're going to go around
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Maybe should we do a hand raise simultaneously?
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I think we'll just do a hand raise simultaneously.
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Raise your hand if you think the following is a red flag.
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So, if you don't raise your hand, I guess that's either neutral or green flag.
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For the first question, did you mean, like, who he's following?
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Is that what you had meant for the first question you said?
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If everybody just wants to stand up, show the fit.
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It looks like you got a T-shirt on a merch shop.
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If you guys want to get yourself one, feel free to go to shop.whatever.com.
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I think you're a little bit too much of like a, like a little drama.
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Like if you own a podcast, like you're too much of a drama queen.
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It kind of grosses me out when they send them to me.
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I'm kind of like, oh, I can see you making this like face.
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And also like imagining them like taking the picture.
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No, especially, you know, when they like roll up their shorts and like they like flex their
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thighs and you're just like, I would rather die than ever see this photo ever again.
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I mean, this is sort of targeted towards these guys, but if a girl uses too many emojis,
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You've never, like, when it's in between words, like it's emoji, like a couple words,
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and then there's another emoji, words, emoji, words, emoji, words.
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I mean, like, when you say don't believe in therapy, do you mean, like, don't believe
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in resolving your issues or don't believe in needing someone else to resolve your issues?
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Because I personally don't, like, agree with therapy.
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I think that, like, there's a type of something that can be useful to everyone.
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But that doesn't mean, like, sitting in a room and talking to a therapist all the time.
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I think it's silly to say that it's for everyone.
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I feel like if you're constantly going through a pattern in life where you're running into
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the same issues time after time after time again and you yourself are, like, talking to
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friends or family and you're, like, this is going on in my life and everything sucks and
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is so shitty, I feel like then that could be a good tool to have a professional step in
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and, like, voice your thoughts and your opinions to a professional versus voicing those thoughts
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to, like, a friend or a family because sometimes you need somebody else to kind of, like, call
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you out for that pattern and that behavior, you know what I mean?
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So sometimes it can help somebody and sometimes it won't.
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It's just depending on where you are within yourself to seek that help or that guidance
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I think men who don't go to therapy have a lot of inner stress, a lot of anger, and a
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lot of things that can resolve because society tells them that no man can talk about it.
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It's because society is telling them, you don't need to go see a therapist.
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I don't think men are ending up in jail because of their lack of going to therapy.
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That's the only anger they express because that's the only anger that society seems as
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I'm not saying lack of therapy will resort in jail or prison time, but I'm saying it could
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Wait, do you genuinely think that, like, would you agree that the cohort of people that
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go to prison or jail, do you think they have the socioeconomics to be able to afford therapy?
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Typically, people in prison and jail are really low in terms of socioeconomic class.
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They don't have the resources to go to therapy.
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And one other thing I want to mention, I agree with what you're saying because it's like,
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in society, we've built these walls up for men not to be able to seek those resources and
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And so as a society, how I think that we can help that is being able to hold space for the
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men that do suffer with severe mental health issues or problems so that we can kind of
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counteract that stigma of, hey, mental health sucks, you should be a man, suck it up, and
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actually seek that help with somebody that's trusted in a safe environment for them to be
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Plus, men being able to talk about how they feel is actually a more powerful thing.
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I was going to say, I think, yes, Brian, get in tune with your emotions, Brian.
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I think a man who's, if a man can come to me and tell me how he feels in general or to
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me, that to me is like the strongest thing you can do.
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Like, I don't, I didn't meet solo and start fucking crying.
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Yeah, but that's going to say, so like, so, hold on one second.
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So, if you're coming to me as a partner and you're like, on the first date, you're getting
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a little too vulnerable, I'd be like, that's too soon.
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Just like me and you and with anybody at this table to trauma dump anything on you guys,
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But if you're in a relationship with somebody and you want to build that authentic connection
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where you're able to, like, hold that space and create vulnerability with your
00:47:00.000
Yes, you don't have to be at a restaurant and be like, oh my God, crying and, like, letting
00:47:05.200
But when you're able to express your emotions in a positive way, just simply communicating
00:47:12.320
just like this to your partner, that's different.
00:47:15.740
Being able to talk to your partner and be vulnerable and be like, hey, I don't like
00:47:21.420
This makes me feel some type of way versus being, like, crying or screaming.
00:47:24.920
Because when you start to bring in those negative emotions, that's when that's not
00:47:31.680
Well, when we're talking about vulnerability, so you're just saying the guy has a base level
00:47:37.520
of problem solving and communication, I guess you guys will have to specify what you mean
00:47:52.360
It means to be able to regulate your emotions, talk about it, be able to communicate, analyze
00:48:00.680
Being emotionally regulated means being able to, A, identify the emotion that you're having.
00:48:07.560
Once you identify the emotion that you're having, you can, B, start to say, okay, how
00:48:12.120
does this emotion resonate with me and how I'm feeling?
00:48:19.700
And how can I actively process that and vocalize that to the group of people that I'm speaking
00:48:25.300
with instead of being like, hey, I'm pissed off.
00:48:29.280
Because as soon as you're activated and your amygdala is activated, you can't calm down and
00:48:35.760
So if you're able to recognize a pattern within yourself of being like, hey, this person said
00:48:41.180
something to me, you upset me, I don't agree with what you said, and you're able to analyze
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that and be like, well, why would that trigger me?
00:48:56.200
I'm going to respond in just a moment, but Mr. Nobody has paid the SIM tax.
00:49:05.820
All right, Lexi, I'll admit it that I've been simping.
00:49:09.360
But don't worry, I paid the SIM tax, compliments up front, loyalty in full, and maybe a coffee.
00:49:16.540
So yeah, call it Simp Energy, but it's all invested in you.
00:49:28.160
Well, I think what you're describing is just healthy communication styles.
00:49:31.380
I guess I'm looking for an example of a scenario in which a man would be hesitant to be vulnerable,
00:49:42.900
During funerals, a lot of men, well, not a lot, but I guess I'd say a lot,
00:49:49.720
do kind of don't show emotions during time of death and grieving.
00:49:54.540
Both my brothers, for example, you know, it's just men always say I have to be strong for my family, but sometimes...
00:50:06.280
But what I'm saying is sometimes it's okay to let go because if it's the other way around, let's say it's like the man's mom or dad, you know,
00:50:14.260
and the woman has to be there to comfort them, it is okay to not be okay, and that goes for all sexes.
00:50:24.860
Women shouldn't be so emotional, and men shouldn't be so emotionless, and it's really the idea of it.
00:50:32.660
Well, I think you're using a very easy example there.
00:50:36.940
I don't think even other men would find fault in somebody having a moment of vulnerability or even crying in a funeral,
00:50:47.880
If you're parents or something, I think that's totally justified for a man to cry.
00:50:54.620
Under those circumstances, what kind of funeral are we talking about here, though?
00:50:59.200
Like, what's the distinction when it comes to who's the relative?
00:51:05.840
The mother of the boyfriend or the mother, I mean, the father of the boyfriend, just somebody on your spouse's family.
00:51:17.060
Like, some people aren't close to their in-laws.
00:51:19.520
Yeah, I'm totally fine if a man wants to cry because his mom or dad died.
00:51:26.320
Well, what I'm saying, after the fact, though, you know, some men, you know, okay, yeah, the funeral's over, burial's over,
00:51:31.660
but then after the fact, grieving is a long process.
00:51:34.800
There's, like, ten stages of it, and sometimes men don't, that's why going to therapy would be beneficial in this case
00:51:42.260
because to help them through the grieving process instead of just having one emotion, which is I'm angry at the world,
00:51:51.800
I mean, I work with men and women all day, and men go in there and say I've never got the chance to grieve it
00:51:58.140
because I just, and that's why they're in my rehab center, you know what I'm saying?
00:52:02.980
So, there's a lot of things that, I mean, essay abuse and things like that that happen in young boys,
00:52:09.160
and they never, they're too afraid to come out and share what happened to them,
00:52:13.380
and that's why they end up, you know, where they end up without the help of therapy or a counselor
00:52:20.620
Well, I think there are practical applications to therapy for specific things.
00:52:23.980
If you're actually going to overcome a specific childhood trauma or perhaps you're dealing with, like, anxiety or panic attacks,
00:52:31.620
something like this, but sort of a generalized malaise, I don't think is, especially for men,
00:52:41.020
I think there's actually far better mechanisms for, you know, if you're just sort of vaguely unhappy,
00:52:47.840
vaguely dissatisfied, vaguely slightly depressed.
00:52:51.740
I don't really think therapy, especially for men, is helpful.
00:52:59.360
I think that you're speaking for, like, 4 billion people right now.
00:53:05.500
I suppose there are some men who can talk about their, do talk therapy and it can help.
00:53:12.700
But generally speaking, I don't think, and I think statistics show this when they've polled people who are involved in therapy,
00:53:18.820
who do therapy, talk therapy is not particularly effective, especially for men.
00:53:24.040
Now, if you're trying to combat a specific thing, then yes, but, I mean, I can give you my own anecdotal experience.
00:53:30.100
And this is more so, like, when I've ever talked about an issue with, like, a parent or something,
00:53:36.340
Oftentimes, I find talking about it just makes me more frustrated.
00:53:39.400
And I'd rather, and oftentimes, I've, in situations where I don't talk about it, a day, two days later,
00:53:46.900
I've already forgotten about the thing that was upsetting me.
00:53:49.900
I find it's just much more easy to just be like, is this really going to be an issue in a day or two?
00:53:56.600
Does that apply when the thing that made you upset is, like, another person who would like to talk about it?
00:54:02.340
I mean, like, you're saying that instead of addressing the issue, you'd rather just, like, let it fade away from your brain?
00:54:07.560
Well, so if there's an interpersonal issue that needs to be resolved, that's different.
00:54:12.760
Yeah, I wouldn't stonewall a girlfriend in a relationship.
00:54:15.820
But if it's, like, more on an individual level, something's upsetting me or whatever.
00:54:20.880
I find it far more effective, like, you know, I recall when I was a bit younger, my parents would be like,
00:54:28.220
And sometimes I would engage there, and I would just be ruminating while having the conversation about it.
00:54:35.100
And I'd just, it'd almost be, like, reliving the thing that made me upset.
00:54:41.520
And then there would be other times where they'd be like, hey, you want to talk about it?
00:54:47.520
And that was way better than just getting my parents all stressed out.
00:54:53.440
It's way better for me to just go and deal with it and just be like, eh, whatever.
00:54:57.480
But the other, really quick, and I'll let you make your point, I think the other thing is people claim to be depressed or whatever, dealing with something.
00:55:06.200
I think a lot of the time that's because their life circumstances aren't in check.
00:55:11.480
And going to therapy, wasting your time in therapy for your life circumstances, you're not going to really have an improvement in said life circumstances by talking to a therapist.
00:55:23.300
But you can, like, recognize that by talking to a therapist.
00:55:25.660
Well, for example, like, if I think, as a man, go get in really good shape.
00:55:35.000
As a man, go, whatever, like, look, there's serious issues that I think seeing a professional is absolutely warranted.
00:55:42.540
But if you're, again, vaguely unhappy, vaguely depressed, go to the gym, cut out the drugs, the alcohol, eat healthy, get money.
00:55:58.180
And then if you do those things, get those things.
00:56:00.580
And then if you're still depressed afterwards, you've achieved the things you want to achieve, then maybe consider going to a therapist.
00:56:07.960
But if you're just, like, eating like shit and you're just, you know, whatever, not in good shape.
00:56:13.480
You're doing drugs and drinking and, you know, your sleep's all fucked up.
00:56:17.580
No, definitely, like, correct your personal choices before you go and spend money.
00:56:24.200
So you're statistically proven your body wants to go through whatever trauma, whatever negative emotion you have for 90 seconds.
00:56:32.180
So after you've processed it, so it's going back to what you were saying about how you were talking about it and then you want it to stop, like, you feel worse when you keep bringing it up.
00:56:40.340
Well, it's because your body processed it for 90 seconds and wants to get rid of that.
00:56:44.220
So it's, like, you talk about it, you've talked about it for 90 seconds, and then your body automatically wants to return back to homostasis.
00:56:55.140
Wait, are you saying these conversations are 90 seconds?
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Anytime I've ever had, like, a let's talk about our feelings conversation.
00:57:02.220
I'm saying body mechanically, inside your body, I don't care what the conversation with or who it is,
00:57:08.560
your body naturally wants to get whatever was dysregulating your system.
00:57:14.020
It wants to process it for 90 seconds and then go back to homostasis where you're regular.
00:57:21.480
So if you continue to press the issue after 90 seconds and you're, like, of course it's going to heighten your senses because it's, like, your body is trying to get back to regular.
00:57:33.080
If that was the case, why aren't therapy sessions only 90 seconds?
00:57:39.720
So what I was saying is if you're not open to the idea of doing therapy, something that could be beneficial is lifestyle coaching.
00:57:48.080
Because we're not here to fix, save, or rescue you from any of your problems.
00:57:52.440
But we are here to integrate healthy lifestyle modalities into your life to be able to process those things.
00:57:59.300
So, like you mentioned, physical activity, breath work, sunlight, eating clean, all those things.
00:58:08.300
And so that's why I've decided to be in the integrative healing arts therapy because it's, like, that's what you're saying.
00:58:14.620
You can do all these things, like, get light, eat clean, and, you know, improve your mental health versus getting help from a therapist.
00:58:24.800
And these life coaches are just here to guide you.
00:58:27.500
They don't necessarily tell you what to do or they make plans for you to kind of, like, what you want to work on and tailor that to that.
00:58:37.000
I have a response, but first we're going to let some chats come in.
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Men, do not let 304s manipulate you into being weak and pathetic.
00:59:00.960
Lexi, can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table?
00:59:08.760
Look, I do think there is a lot of value when it comes to being stoic.
00:59:11.700
And then I do kind of want to quickly get back into, though, this idea of being vulnerable, especially in front of a girlfriend.
00:59:24.780
But I do think it is the case that oftentimes women lose attraction for their partner when the man is vulnerable.
00:59:35.800
If you're, even as a woman, if you can't handle just hearing a man's point of thought, that's like a you thing.
00:59:42.560
Like, you got to at least be open to hearing your partner out.
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Well, I think that I think even a very emotionally intelligent woman might run into something that just innately, regardless of your level of intelligence or IQ or EQ, you're going to witness a level of vulnerability in your partner that will give you.
01:00:11.340
Has anybody here been dating a guy and he got beat up?
01:00:24.040
No, I thought about it and then I changed my mind.
01:00:27.240
Well, your knee-jerk reaction was just even picturing it in your head.
01:00:31.240
It sounds like you're going to say, you break up with the guy.
01:00:35.420
Well, but like, what was his idiot self doing that got him beat up?
01:00:43.820
Like, he got jumped by like random people, I would not be unattractive.
01:00:53.380
Even in that circumstance, I do think that not all women, but some women will look at
01:01:04.820
Not a problem that makes it so that men should act any certain way.
01:01:12.400
Well, I would say men should err on the side of, and just keep that shit to yourself.
01:01:22.480
So, I'm speaking generally about vulnerability.
01:01:28.360
If you want to like go whine to your girlfriend.
01:01:31.500
Like, for example, I'll know about some of y'all.
01:01:37.040
I've gone through a lot of difficult things in my life.
01:01:41.300
Even a girl I've been with for a long period of time.
01:01:44.240
It's never occurred to me to sit down, unless it comes up organically somehow in conversation,
01:01:50.580
to be like, okay, here's all the bad things that have happened to me.
01:01:58.760
But if I care about you as a person, I would want to know how your day is going.
01:02:11.540
And if my girlfriend asks me about it, I'd just be like, hey, it was good.
01:02:31.800
No girl wants to be with you just to hear you...
01:02:36.800
Tell me about your day while I can talk to your hair.
01:02:40.960
I think that you're confusing, like, just, like, trauma-dumping your day and then, like,
01:02:45.220
communicating how you're feeling so that your partner can be aware of that and just...
01:02:50.620
Sometimes you just want to hug or just to be quiet a little bit.
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In Canada, residential school survivors had no resources for mental health.
01:03:02.680
There are finally resources today, but First Nations women do far better in therapy than
01:03:11.080
So going back to my point here really quick, Pasty George, thank you for the TTS.
01:03:15.760
By the way, guys, reminder, super chats are busted, so you have to send it through Streamlabs.
01:03:25.320
And to be clear, sometimes, like, if some bullshit, you know, is going on, whatever, I might,
01:03:33.240
But overall, generally speaking, even if I have a shitty day or there's some bullshit I
01:03:37.060
could relay to her, most of the time I'm just like, yeah, I'd rather not ruminate about
01:03:47.220
I was just going to say, isn't you, like, letting her know that that enough is still
01:03:52.060
expressing your feelings so that she can be aware that you had something happen that
01:03:55.800
day, whether you want to talk about it or not, so that she can cater to that, and that's
01:03:59.880
She should be always catering to that to begin with.
01:04:06.160
Wait, do you, but when you have a boyfriend, all you talk about is the bad stuff that
01:04:13.700
All the stuff that I talk about that you wouldn't otherwise talk about that's not bad.
01:04:17.360
Talk about all the stuff that you normally talk about, plus...
01:04:27.460
Or you walk through the door and you're like, hey, just by the way, I had a bad day.
01:04:30.880
If I have an anticipation that, like, it's going to...
01:04:34.700
I'm going to be upset when we're hanging out, then perhaps I might be like, oh, yeah,
01:04:43.700
Because if you're able to just do that, Brian, instead of being like...
01:04:46.380
Like, expressing your feelings doesn't have to be, like, sobbing on the floor.
01:04:52.660
Like, you can just be like, hey, I had a kind of a rough day.
01:05:01.720
Like, I think that you think us saying vulnerable and expressing your feelings in your head, I
01:05:06.060
feel like you think that's a guy going up to a girl and being like, I'm dying.
01:05:09.660
But I think it's also okay, even if, like, something bad happened, you can also make a
01:05:14.900
determination of not even wanting to bring it up and just be like, yeah, I don't need
01:05:22.060
Like, would we say something and provoke you and then would you get mad over it?
01:05:27.460
So one component that I think is important in dating and relationships is showing the
01:05:38.440
It can be really bad if you feel like you're walking on eggshells with somebody where every
01:05:44.140
single, like, microaggression or perceived slight, you need to be like, oh, my God.
01:05:50.720
Like, sometimes, I don't know, sometimes you can just let shit slide in a relationship
01:05:58.480
But if it was a big thing, like some really big slight, then yeah, I'm probably going to
01:06:04.120
But I also think it's okay to show your partner grace.
01:06:07.740
But Brian, you're also speaking about yourself, whereas a lot of men, and we're not talking
01:06:12.020
We're talking about also a lot of other men that come home and, like, slam doors and, like...
01:06:16.180
In general, not, like, your emotional feeling towards it.
01:06:19.000
And, like, they come home with such, like, aggression because they don't want to be vulnerable
01:06:24.900
And then whoever they're home with, their partner is like, oh, shit, what's wrong?
01:06:40.300
I just looked behind me and saw those smoothies.
01:07:08.080
How men shouldn't express their feelings is what he said.
01:07:13.060
I think that what he was saying was way too vague because he said,
01:07:15.540
he just said fully men shouldn't express their feelings.
01:07:18.980
But then he's also saying that he would tell his wife or let his girlfriend know if he
01:07:23.360
had a bad day in the case that it would affect his feelings.
01:07:29.400
I mean, but also the one thing that was like...
01:07:32.800
But I just want to take a moment to honor all of you guys because you guys are also smart
01:07:40.280
I mean, I think there's no reason to dive into things that don't matter, that you don't
01:07:45.900
If honestly your partner's upset, they should tell you, hey, I'm upset something happened.
01:07:50.860
They don't really have to tell you every little detail about it.
01:07:54.720
It doesn't have to get super in-depth every time.
01:07:57.900
Like, to have weird energy and animosity towards him, like you said, someone said slamming
01:08:04.580
But as a girlfriend, if I can visually see that you're hurt and that you're angry, I'd
01:08:18.140
I think voicing that you want to be left alone is telling you.
01:08:23.380
Yeah, but some people, not even just men, really, I don't like to get into it and that's
01:08:31.380
Yeah, like I just need a little bit of time to process and level out.
01:08:35.600
And then there are women that are like, will jump down men's throat and be like, sit down.
01:08:42.360
You know those women that will chase a man after a man has been like, hey, I don't want
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And then they follow them into the bedroom and then they follow them outside like that.
01:08:56.080
Or women who get irritated when their man is voicing that they had a bad day.
01:09:01.700
Like I said, it doesn't have to be super detailed every time, but I think just having
01:09:05.860
that open back and forth communication can help people grow so much better.
01:09:12.740
I think when two people are together, it's a lot of compromising.
01:09:17.640
And if one person is more avoidant than the other, you kind of have to work around it
01:09:37.280
There was text messages of her texting other people.
01:09:44.560
The next thing you know, it built up to some tragedy.
01:09:48.180
He would have just said, hey, I want a divorce.
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I'm not saying that that is, that's very rare circumstance, but it's because silence
01:09:56.220
could be deemed as something they're doing something like that's, especially women who
01:10:00.080
are, I guess, are afraid or traumatized or jaded or whatever.
01:10:09.540
Not every, you know, so that's why it's important to communicate in a way of just, because sometimes
01:10:15.820
it does, sometimes they are doing something, they just don't want to say it because they
01:10:18.940
don't want to hurt your feelings or they know you're just going to have a really bad, like,
01:10:23.080
I think it took my boyfriend, my ex-boyfriend a month to break up with me because he was
01:10:28.740
And I knew something was wrong though because he was distant and silent.
01:10:31.800
He never, we used to text all the time and he completely stopped texting me.
01:10:38.120
And I was like, can you just tell me, like, be honest with me.
01:10:41.260
And then he told me and I was like, okay, I knew something was wrong.
01:10:45.540
Chris watched the guy that killed his wife and kids.
01:10:48.080
And put them in like a, at his construction site or something.
01:10:52.400
But I feel like some people have, yeah, like he killed, and wasn't she pregnant?
01:11:00.080
But I feel like also some people have a hard time, like, like speaking up, you know, and
01:11:09.700
And you're not struggling alone because mental health is like a big thing.
01:11:17.680
Like if you're filling your day with meaningless, like whatever, like constantly asking what
01:11:23.020
you're doing every five seconds, someone's not going to talk to you.
01:11:26.380
Like it doesn't matter if you're a guy or a girl.
01:11:28.420
If someone's harassing, not harassing me, but if someone's like constantly trying to be in
01:11:33.020
contact with me every single moment of the day, I'm going to get pissed off and I'm not
01:11:37.320
I don't think phones should be as present in relationships as they are.
01:11:53.480
It just makes it easier for me to exist as well.
01:11:57.080
Like if you're just going to cheat on me, just leave me.
01:11:58.880
I feel like you should be in touch all the time.
01:12:01.040
Like if I'm hearing everything about your day, then what the hell are we going to talk
01:12:06.160
You know, like I don't want, my phone is an extension of me.
01:12:11.560
Like I want my time with you to be time that I value.
01:12:14.320
Being on your phone is really just something we do as like a filler.
01:12:22.960
I feel more productive when I don't have my phone.
01:12:26.380
And conversations are so much more meaningful in person too.
01:12:35.780
So trying to talk to someone about everything on the phone 24-7, it just gets annoying.
01:12:41.860
And it's like, I don't want to see you if you're doing that.
01:12:50.520
You don't have to text me every like five minutes.
01:12:58.260
And to me, it's like, like that really, it's like, it's just, it just means nothing.
01:13:06.940
So if you're in a relationship or if you're already in a relationship, ideally, how many
01:13:11.840
times a week would you like to see your partner?
01:13:25.120
Because my, like our life right now, for sure for us is filled with work, school, and
01:13:33.320
So whatever space is in between that would be for, for a partner.
01:13:38.340
We live like 12 hours apart and have a one hour time difference too, but we definitely
01:13:44.880
make it work, but it takes a lot of open communication back and forth and like being okay with almost
01:13:51.360
each of us having some slight insecurity, especially being at a distance and being open about that.
01:14:00.280
So it's just, we're a little bit older, so it's a little bit easier to like hold ourselves
01:14:13.120
Obviously, like I want to see you, but like if I'm going through stuff, I'm not going to
01:14:18.340
Like every day, I'm not going to be like, oh my God, let's hang out after I had three
01:14:25.260
Like, no, I'm going to want to go home and I'm going to want to rest.
01:14:34.720
Cause I think when, like, um, well, we both kind of, we both work for ourselves, so it's
01:14:46.820
Um, so we see each other almost like once a month to every other month.
01:14:54.100
Um, he's supposed to actually come visit me next month.
01:15:00.360
No, we actually met on Facebook dating and he thought I was a fake profile.
01:15:14.500
And I have like a big social media platform and he actually followed me on my platform.
01:15:21.860
So he, we exchanged numbers and I sent him a video saying my name and he's like, oh, and
01:15:38.080
You all absolutely just fish for stuff to bring up in the next argument.
01:15:42.380
And none of you are expressing EIR and shaming Brian the second he leaves.
01:15:58.260
So why are we, of course, we're talking about you.
01:16:06.640
Because when you were over there, I like was talking to her as if I was talking to you,
01:16:12.580
I was just, I was just saying that because we were talking about the whole like expressing
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There was a small talk that he was shaming them.
01:16:27.440
Here, can you just move your microphone back to where it was, please?
01:16:40.900
So if I almost died on the job and you almost got fired, who had the worst day?
01:16:44.760
Would you accept my bad day or make it about yourself?
01:16:52.820
Hey, can we only have one person back there, please, at a time?
01:17:08.200
I'm so content and happy right now eating the pizza.
01:17:10.900
If I almost died on the job and you almost got fired, who had the worst?
01:17:25.180
There will be some people who would make it about yourself.
01:17:35.480
Well, I think, like, obviously one had a worse day, but you should acknowledge the other's
01:17:45.000
You'd be like, oh, yeah, my name was, like, Polish.
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Like, let's almost, like, put all the outside stuff to rest and just focus on each other
01:18:06.980
Women trauma dump all the time when they are not talking nonsense nonstop in their boyfriend's
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ear, whether it be from everyday life or past experiences.
01:18:25.980
You know, it's interesting, though, when I was asking about if you saw your boyfriend
01:18:29.820
get beat up, this is a phenomenon that you witness in relationships and with women.
01:18:35.520
It doesn't really go the reverse, is this ick factor.
01:18:40.140
So, there's this famous clip of this woman who was on the Joe Rogan podcast, and she was
01:18:45.180
describing how her boyfriend, who is a professional MMA fighter, got knocked out during one of his
01:18:52.180
And even that, even though it was like, you know, a professional fight bout, he got knocked
01:19:09.280
She sided because she lost attraction for him because he got knocked out.
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So, I think this idea that men should be vulnerable in front of women, look, I guess, I'm not saying
01:19:21.840
all women are heartless creatures, but what I'm saying is there is perhaps some degree
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of, maybe not for all women, innate repulsion to male weakness or male vulnerability that y'all
01:19:35.360
are going to lose attraction for your partner if you see him acting in such a way or in such
01:19:42.020
Yeah, I would say I dated one guy before where, like, I was always defending myself if
01:19:50.020
Like, there was, and this is like a super specific situation, but we were at the laundromat before
01:19:56.800
And this random guy was trying to take my cart, and I'm trying to keep my cart.
01:20:00.660
And I was the one who, like, that moment I definitely felt unattracted.
01:20:04.280
And the simple fact is, you, he should have just said, hey, this is our, you know, so
01:20:10.620
But I think the example you used, she's a heartless woman for sure.
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I want to say for me, I can totally agree with the fact that men being weak is a huge
01:20:25.160
Not like, like, if he, like, if I was dating a boy and I wasn't even with him and he got
01:20:29.920
home and was like, oh, I just got in a fight and I lost.
01:20:31.700
Like, it wouldn't ick me out, but, like, I have actually been in a situation where I
01:20:36.240
was punched by a man, like, fully punched by a stranger, mind you, in the side of the
01:20:45.400
And my boyfriend at the time was right there, and he didn't, I, like, fully got knocked out.
01:20:52.600
And then apparently somebody recorded it, and when I watched back the footage, after the
01:20:57.260
boy punched me, he was like, oh, shit, now I feel bad.
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And then he told me the next day that it was only because he wanted to check on me instead
01:21:12.080
Can I ask you a couple questions about the details of what happened there?
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Okay, so basically, I was at a party with all my friend group.
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This is the most recent relationship, by the way.
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So yeah, me and him went to this party together, and our ride basically canceled on us.
01:21:42.460
Like, when we got back to the car, the friend we were supposed to go with already had, like,
01:21:47.140
It was basically like, oh, sorry, you're stranded.
01:21:48.600
And so, then this super drunk guy came up and was like, hey, I'm too drunk to drive my car, but I have a car.
01:21:59.520
And then, basically, on the walk to the car, this guy was just, like, saying, like, a lot of misogynistic things.
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You're a woman, you can't do this, you can't do that.
01:22:10.100
And I was just, like, just totally rage-baiting me.
01:22:12.300
And I was just like, like, you don't even know this guy.
01:22:14.520
Like, there's no reason to fight for your standpoint.
01:22:17.740
And then he was basically saying, like, oh, I'm going to be, like, da-da-da-da.
01:22:20.880
And then later, later on that night, after I was drunk and he got more drunk, then he, like, that happened.
01:22:29.800
So that happened, and your boyfriend didn't do anything?
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And he's not, like, super buff, but, like, he's, like, a strong-looking guy, kind of.
01:22:58.980
He has, like, the arm length to, like, win, I feel like.
01:23:02.620
So he saw you, and you've been dating for how long?
01:23:08.600
Well, when you were dating him, it was the two-year relationship guy?
01:23:44.180
The only scenario I could understand that shit a little bit is if it's, like, a giant, like,
01:23:49.820
imagine you're with your girl and, like, Mike Tyson does some shit.
01:24:03.320
It was, like, um, picture, like, an incoming, like, soccer player senior boy who's, like,
01:24:20.480
I got hit here and immediately started falling forward.
01:24:32.000
It was, like, it was, like, we used to have, like, parties at, like, parks and stuff.
01:24:37.080
Just, like, we were, like, made up to hang out there.
01:24:41.100
Like, there were definitely people there, but nobody saw it when it happened.
01:24:51.020
We probably can't show the fight video on YouTube.
01:25:00.800
Like, I had something really great against him.
01:25:03.140
Like, when we'd fight and stuff, I'd be like, okay, well, you let me get punched, so you're a bitch.
01:25:09.920
But it wasn't an issue for you at the time that he didn't do anything.
01:25:16.120
Like, he didn't do anything in my defense, so that, to me, was icky.
01:25:21.400
You just totally reminded me where I was, where the whole purpose of that was.
01:25:25.040
If a guy is, like, showing signs of weakness and it has nothing to do with me, totally not an ick, in my opinion.
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But if it has something to do with me, it's, like, ew.
01:25:35.240
If you can't protect me, how can I expect you to protect our household, financially, as well as physically, and stuff like that, so.
01:25:43.920
Yeah, I got to feel, like, safe, I feel like, for sure.
01:25:50.120
But I think, so, like, I think that they're, like, for me, like, I feel like, biologically, sorry.
01:26:15.700
So, I think biologically, like, women probably want men to be strong, act strong, look strong.
01:26:28.140
I don't think it's, like, if it's not about you.
01:26:31.760
But at the same time, if it's about, if it's, it has nothing to do with me, but, like, you,
01:26:39.380
like, okay, if you get into a fight and you lose and it's, like, kind of funny and you
01:26:45.820
come home and you're, like, kind of drunk and you're, like, dude, I started a fight and
01:26:53.400
But if it's, like, you're super butthurt about something that you were really, like, I think
01:26:58.980
it's unattractive to, like, to have no control of your emotions and then especially if that
01:27:03.900
no control of your emotions and you start to fight someone ends badly and then you're
01:27:07.800
still butthurt about it, that's incredibly unattractive.
01:27:11.080
But also, if you can't, like, protect yourself, then how can you protect me in, like, some
01:27:19.680
And I think that that's just, like, another biological thing.
01:27:22.780
But I also don't, like, if you really think about it, I don't know.
01:27:29.460
Years back, my friend got hurt at work and was in a wheelchair for some years.
01:27:34.540
During that time, his wife had an affair behind his back and divorced him even when he was
01:27:44.500
I just want to know what Pasty George is doing right now.
01:28:06.320
Oh, they have, like, a, how old did you have to be to gamble in the U.S.?
01:28:20.840
I mean, maybe times have changed, but I was definitely in a casino before I was 21.
01:28:29.600
If it is a Indian reservation casino, so like the Chumash Casino, right here in San Ynez,
01:28:35.000
you do have to be 21 because it is federal land.
01:28:55.860
All right, we're going to get into the next thing here.
01:29:01.920
I'm going to pull up the, oh, there's one more thing for the red flag thing.
01:29:08.100
I think these plates are probably done, too, if you want to grab them.
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I think men should follow no women on Instagram.
01:29:50.720
Okay, we have Pastie George with a follow-up here.
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Why are women going to dangerous places when they often feel unsafe?
01:30:04.620
Raise kids and leave a tangible legacy in the world.
01:30:29.520
I used to be definitely on the other side in a very extreme way where I didn't want to listen.
01:30:36.060
And that didn't get me anywhere besides crashing and burning.
01:30:38.900
So, and even like with my relationship now, he actually challenged me so much.
01:30:45.260
It actually led me to my faith and really following Christ and completely changed my life.
01:30:50.580
So, I think humbling yourself and actually hearing someone out when-
01:30:56.220
And I had to admit I was wrong and that was probably the greatest thing that I've ever done.
01:31:05.440
She says she's done with the boss babe independent shit.
01:31:09.640
Who here wants to be an independent boss babe that don't need no man?
01:31:19.220
Do you want to be an independent boss babe that don't need no man?
01:31:22.240
I mean, I'm not actively striving to not have a man, but I'm also not actively striving to have a man.
01:31:35.540
But do you think that all women should do that?
01:31:52.840
I think everyone should make their own choices.
01:31:57.560
I think that being a stay-at-home mom is a job.
01:32:10.620
I think the worst part of raising my son has been when he had a stroke, but other than
01:32:19.180
But I'm saying I love going to the movies, having movie night, or dyeing our macaroni
01:32:25.700
Was it difficult when he was a baby baby, though?
01:32:37.940
And my point in saying that is, I'm not saying we should have babies that young, but it can
01:32:44.740
be done in the sense that we turn out okay, you know what I'm saying?
01:32:48.200
And I think motherhood is a beautiful thing, even though it hurts.
01:32:52.540
I totally agree with you, and that makes me super happy to know that that was all good
01:32:57.540
But I think that you can't just say broadly that it's an easy job.
01:33:03.480
Because my mother, for example, my little brother, he's four now, and he has autism, and
01:33:11.720
There's a lot of moms who have really difficult situations, like single mothers, who have to
01:33:21.600
I suppose I agree with you in the sense that if you start adding on, you know, if your child
01:33:27.040
has autism or some sort of developmental disability, whatever it is.
01:33:32.780
And just, like, staying up late and, like, having to, like, it's difficult to be a good
01:33:39.140
But then you would have to apply this also to, like, if you're adding in that metric,
01:33:44.760
you'd have to apply it to, okay, well, you have a job, and you have, like, really, really
01:33:50.540
If we're just trying to do a like-for-like comparison, so let's say, you know, you have
01:33:56.460
a, I mean, again, it's going to depend on the job, too, but, like, the sort of typical
01:34:01.920
average experience raising a child, and you are a stay-at-home mom, that's way easier than
01:34:10.040
I suppose it would depend on, like, do you mean, like, an office job?
01:34:28.700
And if you're doing it to make America great hat back there.
01:34:39.340
If I was a stay-at-home mom with a loving husband.
01:35:03.440
My family, I mean, I have feelings for myself, but I have family that feels both ways.
01:35:08.960
No, I feel like you can have whatever hat you want, boy.
01:35:33.040
I wanted to tell you that, like, if I was a stay-at-home mom with a loving husband who's
01:35:37.580
going to work 9 to 5 every day and working his ass off, and all I have to do is take
01:35:43.200
care of, like, a child or two in a situation where we're, like, financially stable and,
01:35:50.560
Yeah, I would say it can be easier than having a job, but, like, as a whole, being
01:35:55.460
a mom, you saying that that's an easy job, like, that just doesn't make sense to me.
01:35:59.960
I feel like it could be an easier job if you have, like, a support system with your spouse
01:36:05.580
So, to me, it only feels easy because, like, I genuinely enjoy it, like, a lot.
01:36:10.620
Like, it is my favorite thing when he gets home from school.
01:36:12.400
And if you have, like, the stamina to, like, if you, like, have the everything, then go,
01:36:16.480
And then I think women have to understand that just because you're a mom doesn't make
01:36:22.780
So, it's, like, my identity is still in Christ.
01:36:30.020
But I still, like, I absolutely encourage, you know, being a mother.
01:36:42.340
We're going to get into some of the pre-show notes.
01:37:06.520
Hot take is that most men are truly just gross.
01:37:27.580
You know, there's a lot of truth and heated moments.
01:37:33.240
I had some guys trying to break into my apartment the other night.
01:37:42.940
And then he actually came back the night before last.
01:37:51.980
Do you have, like, a gun or cameras or alarm system?
01:38:09.280
Speaking of firearms, would anybody here not date a guy because he owned a firearm?
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I would not date him if he didn't know how to use the firearm.
01:38:19.240
I wouldn't date a guy that doesn't own a fire gun.
01:38:54.260
But, like, he likes venison or something like that, fresh from the forest.
01:39:01.080
They kill the alligators because of all its population control.
01:39:05.920
Look, I do, but as far as it being, like, shot in front of me or knowing that somebody is doing it,
01:39:13.340
Well, it wouldn't be in front of you if you don't go hunting with them.
01:39:15.240
Well, what I'm saying is I know that he did it.
01:39:16.960
I think what you're saying is ignorance is bliss.
01:39:20.340
But at the same time, it's like you're doing the same thing.
01:39:23.140
Like, you don't want to be, you don't want to see the person you love?
01:39:28.200
Even though I know that you're eating meat part of the problem.
01:39:33.740
Does that mean, like, are you saying that, like, animals dying is a problem?
01:39:39.080
Listen, so, yes, I do eat meat only because I'm on a protein, platycic diet.
01:39:45.580
Yes, there are alternatives, but, like, for me, I do like meat, unfortunately.
01:39:50.900
However, unfortunately, I have gone vegetarian.
01:39:53.180
So the problem's not big enough for you to stop eating meat is what I'm hearing.
01:40:00.080
So, but then you're going to pass the judgment on the people that are just...
01:40:05.200
Like, I don't want to have, like, a deer head in my house and look at it every day.
01:40:09.680
My boyfriend has a deer head at his house, actually.
01:40:14.160
I think my boyfriend would be into whatever kind of...
01:40:17.580
Ethically speaking, though, ethically speaking, though, I mean, I think there's probably compelling
01:40:22.340
arguments that the factory farming of meat is worse than, like...
01:40:34.400
And yes, I sound like interested in saying that, but it's only because it's for...
01:40:39.680
All the alternatives I worked, I used it, didn't work.
01:40:42.980
Do you eat, like, all organic, all free-range, all grass-fed?
01:40:50.140
It's probably just because she doesn't want to be associated.
01:40:55.660
It's kind of like, who here has an issue with guys who have post pictures of fish, like
01:41:11.440
No, every picture I see on a fish pic, I swipe the other way.
01:41:15.580
Because if that's all their profile is, it's fish and them, it's just like, dude, what...
01:41:26.520
Going back to this, you said most men are truly just gross.
01:41:32.200
Before we get into that, though, any women here agree?
01:42:20.240
It means that, like, boys our age aren't looking...
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Like, no shade to all my beautiful friends at home,
01:42:33.840
Like, walking into some of my guy friends' apartments,
01:43:08.360
when I clean the men's and the women's restroom,
02:06:20.080
People took it and murdered the heck out of it.
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but I think ultimately I wish we lived in a society
02:06:37.660
and people felt more comfortable with how their body just is.
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I don't think she should feel insecure about it.
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and there shouldn't be shaming from other women,
02:07:02.200
And they shouldn't feel the need to undergo dangerous,
02:07:04.800
and unnecessary medical procedures to try to fix a problem.
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like our value shouldn't come from just our physicality.
02:07:49.260
What about plastic surgeries that are like a medical necessity?
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There would have to be a medical indication for needing the surgery.
02:08:27.240
Because she's too young to make that decision for herself.
02:08:32.220
And she wanted to undergo like significant body modification.
02:08:38.660
I would try and tell her that like everything is,
02:08:56.800
I would use the example of sometimes people will like the split tongue thing,
02:09:19.100
like if my 12 year old daughter wanted a tattoo,
02:09:37.860
There's plenty of complications when it comes to plastic surgery.
02:09:41.520
I think a famous somebody woman died because it was like her third BBL.
02:10:01.880
there's a potential risk of serious side effects or potentially death.
02:10:31.920
my primary argument is these surgeries are not medically indicated and they're dangerous.
02:10:36.800
But wouldn't it be fair to say that a person who wants to like undergo a plastic surgery and is fully aware of all of the risks and everything,
02:10:47.020
isn't it fair to say that like they can just make that decision for themselves?
02:10:56.700
So have you ever seen some of these women who really overdo it where their lips are massive?
02:11:28.160
I think it's fucking criminal that they will ruin somebody's face just because they want to do it.
02:11:46.440
and it's like women that don't feel a strong sense of self and like beauty within that go and get these done.
02:12:01.560
you're going to keep getting all these surgeries,
02:12:02.820
but have you looked in the mirror and actually loved yourself for you because you're going to keep getting these surgeries and you're still going to hate yourself and want to change it again.
02:12:18.660
obviously like that's messed up and there's people that overdo it.
02:12:22.020
like I think that there's an extreme end of everything where your opinions change,
02:12:32.080
do you either think that like only the dangerous,
02:12:39.740
I honestly have never thought about getting classic surgery.
02:12:46.700
But also like you go under anesthesia to get your wisdom teeth removed.
02:13:02.460
it's just the extreme end that shouldn't be allowed or like,
02:13:06.720
cause we've just kept going more extreme and then the argument is going to change.
02:13:10.440
I'm happy to bring it to less extreme examples.
02:13:12.840
let's just go with standard breast implants or BBL.
02:13:18.580
Cause does anyone at the table have a nose drop?
02:13:20.660
I feel like we're getting a little too specific.
02:13:26.500
I have less issue with that because it's less invasive of a procedure.
02:13:30.400
And also it's a nose job is recreating a typically,
02:13:40.420
It's recreating a nose that would otherwise exist in out there in the ether.
02:14:19.540
I had knee surgery and I didn't necessarily need it.
02:14:25.980
I could have tried physical therapy another time.
02:14:30.900
there's nothing technically wrong with my knee that I needed surgery for,
02:15:03.000
There's a risk after you go on anesthesia all the time.
02:15:11.500
Did you try like a more conservative approaches to,
02:15:32.120
perhaps you made the wrong decision by jumping immediately to surgery,
02:15:43.980
my mom had a really bad reaction to his other advice.
02:15:47.720
So it would have been more dangerous for me to do that in my head to get
02:16:16.720
And they were saying that I would need knee surgery,
02:16:19.220
but instead I started to do mobility and calisthenics.
02:16:22.740
So really actually like strengthening the small muscles that surround the
02:16:27.100
So that way my knee could actually be able to compensate and heal a little bit
02:16:32.220
Like I technically would have medically needed it,
02:16:37.500
but the stuff I can do in the gym now is like pretty intense,
02:16:55.800
your example that you're providing is getting a little bit away from the,
02:17:24.400
like what if you were in charge of her decision?
02:17:58.580
this hypothetical scenario where I'm the dictator and I would ban plastic surgery.
02:18:04.880
it's laid out in that position in and of itself.
02:18:12.640
so it's not even within the purview of my dictatorship.
02:18:18.140
you'd let people choose to have surgery on say their knee or their shoulder or like someone had like a bones for their shoulder or whatever.
02:18:25.260
Were you getting like a satisfied knee where it made you run faster or something?
02:18:33.080
You're not changing your knee or your appearance.
02:18:37.020
What I'm saying is a lot of his argument was because of the risks of it.
02:18:41.040
There's risks in every single surgery is what I'm saying.
02:19:17.500
one of your main points was that you are taking the risk to possibly get hurt or die or blah,
02:19:31.080
Wouldn't that fall under the same category in your eyes?
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So therefore you're modifying your body because you don't need it.
02:19:52.800
they probably shouldn't get said medical surgery,
02:20:02.400
you were dealing with a knee pain or knee injury or something.
02:20:11.900
if you just walked into the surgeon's office and you're just like,
02:20:18.100
I'm pretty sure the surgeon's going to be like,
02:20:22.420
you were presenting with a medical indication for a potential,
02:20:31.220
so what if someone has a lopsided boobs or they had cancer and got their boobs
02:20:37.560
removed and they want a boob job to make themselves.
02:20:50.840
I'd be willing to grant under that circumstance.
02:21:07.780
And also I've actually seen like women who had to have both their breasts removed,
02:21:14.060
And then they get like just beautiful tattoos and like,
02:21:18.120
I just think there's definitely lots of options,
02:21:32.540
who don't need it other than for cosmetic aesthetics are a major red flag and are a sign
02:21:49.020
Don't you think people make them feel insecure though?
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that's why you have to find your value in more than your looks.
02:21:57.060
So you think that all plastic surgery is due to insecurity?
02:22:03.720
Because even why I wanted a boob job or like a breast lift was because I was insecure.
02:22:14.200
Plastic and cosmetic surgeons who take advantage of patients who keep coming back for more surgery
02:22:33.420
like if somebody is insecure about their nose and wants to change it and it's like something
02:22:41.060
do you think that it's wrong for them to want to change that knowing all the consequences
02:22:44.780
instead of wanting to just find acceptance in themselves?
02:22:48.380
I'm going to go back to where we should find value in more than our looks.
02:22:54.480
like if somebody had like a giant nose and like it was like an everyday struggle,
02:23:01.460
So I hated my nose in school cause it's like crooked and I'm so thankful that I never got
02:23:07.320
a nose job because if I had a pretty perfect nose,
02:23:12.200
I wouldn't look like me and I find beauty and looking unique because nobody can say they
02:23:19.860
And I'm sure that you also have value in yourself besides your physical appearance.
02:23:24.320
So it helps you not even crave having those surgeries or even find more validity and
02:23:29.640
not getting it because I love me like it's for me.
02:23:39.000
And that's amazing that you have that self-confidence.
02:23:48.900
even before the sort of rampant increase in people seeking out plastic surgery,
02:24:01.720
There's been such a massive increase in vanity.
02:24:08.420
women have always had a lot of self-esteem issues,
02:24:17.520
And I think now if we're talking about unachievable beauty standards,
02:24:30.140
otherwise all women or majority of women are going to start feeling insecure,
02:24:34.940
need to spend tens of thousands of dollars correcting or fixing themselves.
02:24:42.860
there's certain risks with undergoing these procedures.
02:24:46.320
I just think instead of approaching or tackling it from that,
02:24:50.120
what can we do as a society to make people feel comfortable,
02:25:08.160
I don't think anyone's ever going to always be comfortable.
02:25:10.680
I don't think everyone's always going to have that.
02:25:15.820
Maybe stop giving unrelevant people that energy,
02:25:20.220
But people have been living for hundreds and thousands of years.
02:25:33.420
Men and women have been attracted to each other.
02:25:37.200
No problem having kids and babies and being attracted to each other.
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at least from the component of this argument about the,
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a lot of the women aren't even getting plastic surgery for the male gaze.
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I prefer a girl with a small upper lip than perfect lip filler.
02:26:10.000
I prefer a girl with a little belly fat than lipo belly.
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And you're totally allowed to have that preference.
02:26:20.100
I'd prefer a girl with a small butt over like the perfect BBL or whatever.
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And other people prefer to have those big boobs.
02:26:34.860
why are you guys trying to defend something that's like clearly social decay?
02:26:45.320
But do you agree like the rampant increase in primarily women getting plastic surgery?
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All women just blasted in plastic surgery and them feeling great about it or no women
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getting plastic surgery and feeling mostly okay about how they look?
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Like a perfect world where everybody's doing like the same thing.
02:27:42.780
I think a perfect world is ever mind the same thing.
02:27:44.720
But in my perfect world, nobody's doing anything.
02:27:56.720
But because a lot of us don't care about others, that's why like society looks how it looks.
02:28:06.480
I feel like the plastic surgery issue is like, if there's like a pyramid that's like starts
02:28:10.340
with the base root issue, the plastic surgery is at the very tip of the pyramid.
02:28:13.700
And I feel like we don't need to start hating on women for getting plastic surgery when the
02:28:22.500
That's why I'm saying that even I'm talking about plastic surgery is not silly.
02:28:25.480
And I think everything else is the problem, not the plastic surgery.
02:28:29.260
But what you're doing here is it's a fallacious argument.
02:28:31.560
So you're saying, well, there's X, Y, Z, more important things.
02:28:35.060
No, I just think that we need to start by supporting women at the top of it.
02:28:41.880
The way we should support women is by A, being emotionally regulated and having a positive
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If you're just a pretty girl, a 10 with a fat butt and big titties, but zero personality,
02:28:56.740
zero emotional regulation and all that, you're just literally, in my eyes, worthless.
02:29:01.320
Because you can't provide me nothing, then you're beauty.
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And if everyone, like we're all 10s with BBLs and fat tits, okay, am.
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And then it's like, what else can I get from that?
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I could be a terrible person with fake tits or no tits.
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And I could be a great person with fake tits and no tits.
02:29:22.620
So, everyone's familiar with Kylie Jenner, right?
02:29:27.480
Do you think it's a problem for our young females to look at someone like Kylie Jenner,
02:29:31.160
who is, by the way, you can tell she's got, if you go back to her teenage years, from
02:29:40.040
But what the issue is, is the fact that somebody who's got that much plastic surgery is, when
02:29:47.000
people are visualizing it and seeing it, I didn't even know who Kylie Jenner was until
02:29:50.400
I just saw like this, holy crap, night and day thing.
02:29:55.920
I don't want my, if I ever had a daughter, I don't want my daughter idolizing the fact
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that you have to do this to make you look a certain way.
02:30:01.500
But nobody, like, that's a social, that's a, that's like social media.
02:30:05.200
I think that social media is what, is the problem with the beauty centers, that's what
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making people feel like they need to be X, Y, Z.
02:30:11.900
I think that what I'm saying is like, plastic surgery itself, like, like, who cares?
02:30:17.660
Like, how many surgeries are you going to get until you finally feel better about yourself?
02:30:21.040
Exactly, that's where you're almost, like, you act yourself.
02:30:22.620
But some people already feel beautiful and just do something because they have to afford
02:30:25.840
Would you, would you date a guy who has a beard?
02:30:32.140
So, I mean, just from the dating lens perspective of this, both men and women have generalized
02:30:39.160
preferences towards what they like and dislike.
02:30:42.140
And you guys can have your preferences, but I'm saying, you guys are saying it just like
02:30:48.980
Like, I think it's totally rightful for everyone to have their own preferences.
02:30:52.780
So, wait, you don't think anything should be banned?
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But again, you're, that's, again, you doing the thing where you're like, well, that means you
02:31:02.320
I don't think that, like, there's stuff that are banned for a reason.
02:31:05.520
I'm just saying, like, plastic surgery in itself.
02:31:11.800
In totality, generally speaking, is plastic surgery harmful?
02:31:23.960
But who, like, if, okay, it's harmful, but, like, if someone wanted to do it, why can't
02:31:31.900
So I'm just saying, right, obviously I'm not, never going to become dictator and be able
02:31:36.520
to see through my dictatorial plan to ban plastic surgery.
02:31:40.680
But I'm saying from a social angle here, I think for a bunch of reasons, it would be better
02:31:46.580
to have a social order where women weren't jumping to go under the knife.
02:31:53.880
And it's constant comparison, but that's literally part of the problem.
02:31:56.680
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that we are supposed to, like, hate on the women that did it.
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Me being a sex worker and, like, I'm a dancer and OnlyFans and an escort and everything,
02:32:08.860
and nothing sucks worse about my job is when I'm sitting in the dressing room listening
02:32:15.420
And that's my disconnect with a lot of these women is that I'm sitting there, you're sitting
02:32:19.480
there, and all I hear about, like, 98% of the time, that's why I literally don't engage
02:32:23.660
with others, it's like, oh, my God, I wish I'm going to have bigger boobs.
02:32:30.120
It's never a conversation in that locker room at the strip club where it's like, I love
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I'm benefiting from my body, profiting off of this.
02:32:39.040
You're getting so much good money, and yet you're still not happy with yourself, and you're
02:32:43.080
That's the disconnect I have with these women, because I'm like, I can't sit in a locker
02:32:47.460
room and sit with other women that don't value themselves and don't see them for them.
02:32:51.700
And that's just actual, like, again, it is another good example of how it's an internal
02:32:56.580
But why hate on those women when they're victim to their standards?
02:32:59.700
It's just you have to have a strong sense of self.
02:33:02.320
But you guys are going to be speaking victim part.
02:33:09.180
I wish that I could give them a hug and literally be like, hey, it's okay to look like you.
02:33:14.360
Because no matter what, like Brian said, if we all look the damn same, no man likes the
02:33:20.360
So it's like there's different lollipops for every man on earth.
02:33:27.700
And most importantly, you valuing yourself for how you look should be more important
02:33:33.720
than what Brian thinks of me or what you think about me or whatever, right?
02:33:36.980
Like at the end of the day, I just wish that women could like see that and love themselves
02:33:47.280
Couldn't this also go for getting like microblading done or your lashes done or your lips done
02:34:03.120
If you're saying women should feel beautiful, how they are completely natural, correct?
02:34:15.820
I'm talking about real life body modifications that you can't take back.
02:34:25.340
You can get laser tattoo removal if you really wish.
02:34:48.140
Can I generally ask, like, this is a general question.
02:34:50.140
So you're saying, what I'm hearing is that who cares about them because it's their bodies,
02:34:59.720
What you were saying is like, why do we care so much about somebody else's body, right?
02:35:06.800
Am I going to say, hey, I don't care doing meth.
02:35:09.880
We know, we know, what's the, there's a huge, what's the differentiation?
02:35:13.780
I, what the differentiation is, or I don't know if I said that right, my bad, is that
02:35:18.260
like, I can, I can go get my, I can go get lip filler and be fine, but I'm not going to,
02:35:24.420
like, you can't compare that to me going out and doing meth.
02:35:27.040
Well, I also think that when you go to someone that you care about who's doing drugs, you
02:35:33.040
don't go to them and say, ew, like, you're doing drugs.
02:35:37.000
You go to them and say, hey, like, what's going on?
02:35:40.940
These are, I don't think you should be compared at all.
02:35:44.020
But I think, I think, I think a woman who gets a lot, a lot of plastic surgery, we actually
02:35:53.780
What I'm saying, guys, is that what I heard you say is that why do we care so much about
02:36:00.420
It's the same thing as a wife should we care about a drug addict if they're doing it to
02:36:03.720
It's not the same thing because one is meth and one is a boob job.
02:36:06.740
Addiction, addiction, and just one, like, simple change is two different things.
02:36:11.640
Like, a person who's addicted to body modificating or addicted to tattoos or addicted to plastic
02:36:17.600
But that doesn't mean every single person who has plastic surgery gets addicted to it.
02:36:20.740
Even if you're not addicted, though, certain procedures are harmful regardless.
02:36:25.560
Yeah, but, like, the person who gets the procedure is, like, aware of that and wants to do it.
02:36:31.760
You shouldn't vape, you shouldn't smoke cigarettes.
02:36:34.860
But, like, but it's, but, like, I'd like, like, if you're vaping and you're aware of the chat.
02:36:44.820
Here, I have to, I have to shift gears a little bit here.
02:37:07.280
Chair 5, spine, elbow, and knee surgeries, et cetera, are not plastic or cosmetic.
02:37:16.840
Yeah, my gripe has always been about the cosmetic plastic surgeries.
02:37:24.240
We have, uh, Paul looks like he bought a t-shirt on the merch store, and he also did a $10 donation.
02:37:32.900
Simply put, yours is below the threshold, but we'll have it come up here after I let these come through.
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For the panel, what's the nastiest experience you've had with a man to clear things up?
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Would you break up if a guy farted around you or didn't wash their hands?
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What's the nast, okay, nasty experience you've had with a man?
02:38:03.020
So, like, okay, that's an interesting question, Josh.
02:38:06.360
I mean, my first boyfriend, like, literally never flushed the toilet.
02:38:17.840
I mean, like, I guess, but, like, when you have company over and your house has one restroom.
02:38:25.260
It was something, like, it was, like, if it was.
02:38:38.380
One time we were kissing, he burped in my mouth.
02:38:52.540
Beauty is culturally subjective, and humans have been modifying their bodies to fit a standard
02:39:02.080
And plastic surgery is not so bad, but some docs are.
02:39:27.920
There is medical indication for, like, testosterone replacement therapy.
02:39:37.320
But, I mean, I would also just look at the risk profile.
02:39:40.580
Like, is it the case that even young men who take TRT, does it have a low risk profile
02:39:47.480
Then if it helps them, then I probably don't have an issue with it.
02:39:56.100
I'm not an expert either, so I'm not going to, like.
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Okay, we have, this is below the threshold, but simply put, I do appreciate your chat.
02:40:04.860
All right, we're going to get into, oh, here's a fun segment.
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Each panelist gets 30 seconds to roast one of their exes without naming names.
02:40:23.000
I have never seen anyone eat anything as disgustingly as you eat any kind of food.
02:41:02.300
I have never seen a guy have so much dick cheese in their life.
02:41:22.000
When was the final straw of all the dick cheese?
02:41:35.300
How each panelist, Toxic Olympics, shares the most toxic thing they've ever done.
02:41:50.120
I have to think of the most toxic thing I've ever done.
02:41:56.760
I was probably 17, and I had this co-worker that really liked me, so I used him to drive
02:42:07.420
me to another guy I was seeing, and he was really, really hurt.
02:42:12.980
I lied and said that I was going to do homeschool or some crap, but he saw the guy come out,
02:42:18.860
and so he drove off, wrote on Facebook, like, how much I liked.
02:42:21.960
And mind you, I don't know if I, I might have was giving him, like, signals or whatever,
02:42:26.320
that indication that I liked him like that, but that was probably a toxic that I remember
02:42:32.020
the most, and I just remember how hurt he was, and I was like, damn, I did not like you,
02:42:40.120
I don't even think I even apologized to him, but if you're watching this panel, I'm sorry.
02:42:46.280
I think my most, like, toxic moment was when I, like, and this was the relationship where
02:42:53.260
I was with him, like, four or five years, so I, like, kept catching him actually talking
02:42:58.720
to escorts all the time, so I ended up, like, driving to his job, and he left his keys in
02:43:04.900
his car, so I, like, got in his car, and I was, like, and it was, like, a charger, so
02:43:10.300
I was, like, driving it around the parking lot and, like, honking the horn and, like,
02:43:18.900
Yeah, and then he ended up coming out, and then we kind of, like, fought a little bit,
02:43:23.460
but I've grown, so I'm not, I'm not like that anymore, but that was probably, like, one of
02:43:30.600
I had a high-speed chase with my ex, crashed my car a little bit, and then went back home
02:43:36.060
and slept with him, like, in his bed, like, not in a second.
02:43:45.760
He used to, like, break into my house and stuff when we would have fights.
02:43:54.600
I feel like I have a lot more stories, but I just can't think of them right now.
02:43:58.000
Yeah, I definitely have more, but that one stood out the most because the way I was driving
02:44:08.680
Real fast in a parking lot, too, and I remember.
02:44:22.500
I like controlling, so my boyfriend's definitely a little controlling, and I definitely like
02:44:29.380
Yeah, like, I kind of like that he would show up to my house and, like, because he has a
02:44:34.080
really loud car, too, and he would just, like, terrorize my neighborhood all night until I
02:44:51.700
I don't think I ever want a boyfriend ever again.
02:44:58.360
No, I'm just, like, I just, I mean, not actually ever again.
02:45:09.600
Yeah, but that doesn't mean just, like, say, like, have sex.
02:45:13.440
And I'm just saying, like, in general, like, you know, working on yourself is still super
02:45:25.600
Honestly, like, I've done a lot of strong improvement over the past couple years.
02:45:41.860
Like, I feel like I need to focus on, like, all the things that.
02:46:05.220
But anyways, no, just, like, stuff that I learned there.
02:46:08.600
It's, like, less even, like, specific things that I want to work on.
02:46:11.660
I just think that it's important for me at this time in my life to grow into myself and
02:46:21.180
I feel like it's a really prime time in my life where I'm going to, like, be blossoming into the final me.
02:46:36.080
I was turning 16 when I finally, like, was able to, like, get that.
02:46:54.420
So, why, if you, if you're comfortable talking about it?
02:47:01.200
Like, I grew up in a place where, like, I grew up in a, like, no complaints, a beautiful area.
02:47:08.280
But that people being wealthy also means that their parents aren't around.
02:47:11.660
So, like, my friends would have alcohol and they would drink and it was, like, funny.
02:47:21.680
Just, like, for my safety and the safety of others, I'm not going to ingest that anymore.
02:47:51.300
And I was, I happened to have been talking to my ex.
02:48:01.860
And he thought we were hanging out and everything.
02:48:08.760
And then the guy that I started seeing after I broke up with him walked through the door
02:48:22.240
And I ditched my ex and ran up to the other guy and hugged him right in front of him.
02:48:53.380
Actually, before that, I did have a question for all the panelists.
02:49:03.800
So why don't we just, we'll just have you guys say it into the mic just because we have
02:49:17.620
Well, they're not together, but my parents were never married.
02:49:23.340
Not together, and they were never really together.
02:49:32.620
So this next segment is, unfortunately, normally we pull it up through StreamYard, but it's
02:49:54.620
So what do you rate your looks on a scale of one to ten?
02:50:08.680
I think, I mean, like, I've never been hated on for my looks, and I'm pretty self-confident.
02:50:18.640
So in my current form, yeah, I guess I would say I'm a ten.
02:50:32.360
I had, like, a hatred for men when I was a child.
02:50:42.380
Wait, were your parents, they're still together?
02:50:48.720
Not, like, all men, but just, like, the boys that were around me.
02:50:52.260
And so I cut my hair to look like a little bull.
02:51:00.200
And I had braces, and then I only dressed in clothes that were, like, two times my size.
02:51:22.500
Okay, what percentage of men are we talking about here?
02:51:25.320
I mean, I guess just the ones that I don't like.
02:51:27.940
Like, now, because, like, I'm older now, and I don't...
02:51:57.060
Because I know I have things to work on, and I know I'm not perfect, and I know no one's
02:52:01.340
perfect, and I think it's important to just, you know, accept your flaws and understand
02:52:07.100
that you're working on them, because I know that I'm not as good as I could be.
02:52:42.420
You know, I always get the most beautiful women on the show, week after week.
02:52:58.480
So, you guys think you're, like, put yourself up with the most hottest women alive?
02:53:03.040
No, I just don't think there's anything wrong with me.
02:53:07.120
Not physically, just there's nothing wrong with you?
02:53:13.240
Yeah, like, when I look in the mirror, I don't...
02:53:18.280
I don't look in the mirror and be like, oh, I don't like...
02:53:30.080
It would be rather rude of me to actually articulate that.
02:53:33.500
Wait, was I rating myself, like, basically, like, my looks or just, like, in total?
02:53:41.320
I guess my question is, and this isn't directed at any one of you, specifically, why don't,
02:53:50.720
you know, average, maybe a bit above average looking women, why can't they just say, I'm
02:54:02.220
You know, why can't they just say, I'm average looking?
02:54:38.620
Just based on looks, you would consider every single man...
02:54:41.520
She didn't say they're a 10 to her, but they can be a 10 to someone.
02:54:52.940
But are there generalized preferences that, you know, a lot of people have?
02:54:59.040
I could be in a room with 10 people, and three of them could say I'm a 2, and four of them
02:55:03.160
could say I'm a 10, but I'm, like, if you're asking, but also, like, what's what I'm saying?
02:55:09.280
Like, me and my roommates, we all have different types.
02:55:13.320
A guy who I think is a 10 is the sexiest man alive.
02:55:21.280
If you're asking us ourselves what I think of myself, like, I guess I would say a 10,
02:55:25.520
I'm pretty confident I don't really ever get called ugly, but I can't say I'm a 10
02:55:32.040
Let's change it a little bit, because you say to your...
02:55:36.060
What do you think, if you guys were in a room with, you know, a cross-section of different
02:55:57.320
Can you give me, like, a 1, and then can you give me, like, a...
02:56:02.500
I mean, I guess I could give you a couple examples.
02:56:04.440
So, like, a 10 could be Megan Fox when she was younger.
02:56:08.480
Adriana Lima, Victoria's Secret Model when she was younger.
02:56:14.620
Like, those are not women that you see every day, though.
02:56:29.560
But 10 is, like, you never see someone this beautiful almost ever in person.
02:56:40.680
I think I'm beautiful, but I think I'm, like, an average amount of beautiful.
02:56:43.300
Yeah, and that's why even saying, like, how I'm a 7 doesn't mean I'm not confident.
02:56:46.700
I'm actually pretty sure of myself, and I don't have a lot of problem when it comes to dating, per se.
02:56:51.900
It's, like, getting a specific kind of guy, but...
02:57:24.420
Right, you could be, like, the hottest, I'm pretty, you know?
02:57:30.340
Like, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that I'm the most beautiful girl you've ever
02:57:33.680
seen, and that I, like, am above the average person.
02:57:39.060
So, if the average person is 5, and you say you're a 10...
02:57:42.620
If the average, if an average, like, good-looking person is a 5, that would change my answer.
02:57:48.960
And, like, it doesn't hurt you to look at them.
02:57:56.580
Like, I would say a 9 or 10, heads are turning on a swivel as they walk down the street.
02:58:21.760
But, like, heads are gonna be turning, because I'm a little white, blonde American girl.
02:58:42.580
Considered more beautiful here than I was in Oregon.
02:58:45.320
And I think that I would be considered more beautiful in Peru than I would be here.
02:58:52.840
So, a woman who's, like, say, a 10-in-one location, you can put her in another location.
02:58:59.640
She's still gonna be appraised as really attractive.
02:59:04.860
That's why I think it's hard to, like, find the exact number.
02:59:16.340
Going back to the question that I was asking, though, if you have hundreds of thousands of
02:59:21.340
men, it's true that one guy's gonna rate you a 10, and one guy's gonna rate you a 1,
02:59:26.880
and some are gonna rate you 3, some are gonna rate you 7.
02:59:31.180
So, what do you think the average rating would be, starting with you?
02:59:38.860
Wait, you gotta answer the question before you get up, please.
02:59:42.340
I don't know, because I'm stuck on something else.
02:59:47.940
I don't know, Skip, because I'm stuck on something else.
02:59:50.620
I don't know, but my argument is, is that I feel like in hotter climates in the U.S., the
02:59:55.620
women are hotter because, like, you're wearing less clothes, you're more fit, you're working
03:00:01.480
Yeah, I know, and then you go to, like, New York City, and then you see, like, not-so-beautiful
03:00:09.220
It's fucking brutal in the summertime in New York City.
03:00:34.940
Okay, some guy would rate you a ten, some would rate you a one.
03:00:59.820
They were talking, it was probably hard for me to hear.
03:01:24.120
I mean, but this is just speaking strictly looks.
03:01:26.120
You know, some might rate me higher, some might rate me lower.
03:01:31.540
No, so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody, you know, rated me one way or the other.
03:01:35.520
We have some chats coming through, but we got some follow-up here.
03:01:45.740
So, obese, sweaty, stinky people are tens as well.
03:02:24.280
I think that she works on herself, and she's beautiful.
03:02:30.520
Well, you know, there's some guys that love a big lady.
03:02:35.940
Are you saying that, like, does she think fat people are pretty?
03:02:39.780
Because you're referring to Lizzo specifically when she was fat.
03:02:44.460
Yeah, I'm asking if she thought Lizzo was pretty beautiful when she was...
03:02:52.120
You could look at someone and be like, damn, I'm a fucking ugly.
03:02:54.420
And someone else can look at them and be like, oh, wow.
03:03:01.480
If somebody said that you looked like Lizzo, would you...
03:03:09.100
If somebody did said you looked like Lizzo, you'd be...
03:03:13.440
She'd probably be quite confused because you don't.
03:03:15.780
But what if somebody was making a statement about...
03:03:19.700
Because you're saying it to me like I'd be offended by it.
03:04:01.860
Going around the table, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
03:04:13.240
Do you think you'll be better looking 20 years' time, 44?
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Assuming like you can't get any plastic surgery.
03:04:30.960
I'm going to be that granny 100 years old in a G-string, baby.
03:04:40.480
I need to let a couple chats come through, then we're going to come back to this.
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So, according to your belief, Harvey Weinstein is a tennis well.
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Somebody got to think that motherfucker pretty.
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Let's just say he's not a conventionally good-looking man.
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Let's just say he had a lot of accusations Hollywood,
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Do you think you'll be better-looking in 10 years' time?
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because I feel like the standard is low-key, like,
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But, like, I think I'll still be really good-looking.
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Are you more physically attractive at 38 versus 28?
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I mean, yeah, a 40-year-old's probably into an 18-year-old.
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You're 18, better-looking in 10 years' time at 28?
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All the women in my family age, like, fine wine.
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She got ID'd at restaurants until I was, like, 12, 13.
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So you'll be better-looking at 108 than you are now?
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Like Bella said, the women in my family age like fine wine,
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and I think my grandma is the most beautiful person I've ever seen in my entire life.
03:09:17.000
I think being able to see life through a person is the most beautiful thing ever.
03:09:20.580
It's weird, though, like that people on both sides are not going to the retirement home
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Like why aren't, you know, the most beautiful, you know, 70, 80, 90, 100,
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why aren't, you know, these guys macking on some grandmas, you know, what's up?
03:09:43.440
I do not know what you're talking about right now.
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Let's not understate the STD prevalence among the college-age bodies.
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So guys, wait, you're telling me that guys are not trying to mack on women in retirement
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homes because they're worried about the STD risk?
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So wait, like, no, no, in that age cohort, I'm just saying if that's when you're most
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I said, like, you're the same beautiful, like, as you age.
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You're 30, better looking in 10 years' time at 40?
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Yes and no, only because my mom aged really well, too, so she's 45 but looks.
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I think I'll start to get a little wrinkly, but I also don't think wrinkles are bad, so
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and I can't wait to have gray hair, so it's kind of, it is kind of hard for me to answer.
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And going back in time, were you better looking at 20 or better looking now at 30?
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I'm actually better looking now than I was at 20.
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You're 27, better looking in 10 years' time, 37?
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Okay, and then going back, say 18, better looking at 18 or better looking now at 27?
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Now, I know you're not a natural beauty, but I think with the right clothes and the right
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I don't mean to be rude, but I will just be realistic and say that when you all hit your
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I'm going to be swinging them titties just at that age.
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I'm going to be swinging them titties just at that age.
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Apparently, just everything below the necklace is still looking good, though.
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You're going to be like a cute little old lady.
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If she sees this, she's going to get mad at me for that.
03:15:36.960
You look like you would help a homeless person.
03:15:56.020
I literally have four different AI ones now at this point.
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It only wants to see old white people for some reason.
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But funnily enough, the one on the right is the oldest photo of me.
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It was a gig I did, like, 10 years ago in Amsterdam, and they put on, like, prosthetics
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So, that's, I guess, probably better than the AI, maybe.
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They didn't do a great job, though, those makeup artists.
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Us men, we can't differentiate between, you know, cosmetology.
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And then would you date the male version of you?
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That looks like, um, can it, wait, let me, that looks like my uncle.
03:19:49.220
He kind of, he reminds me of that guy who keeps coming to the door.
03:20:14.600
So, that is actually the most terrifying thing I ever did see in all of my life.
03:20:39.180
That's not, that's, oh, why'd I end up like that?
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I, sometimes I think about that, what you just said.
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Damn, I think a lot of y'all would be struggling.
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I think men, like, all of us as men would look, like, bad.
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Well, maybe, but, like, the male looks equivalent of you.
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I think it's that I don't have a single masculine feature on my face, I feel like.
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So, like, I just can't, like, the AI-ing me into a man, like, that's obscured.
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Honestly, if the AI did a little bit of a better job, I think he's cute.
03:21:34.340
Yeah, but he's four, and it's from a different father, so he looks nothing like me.
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All these girls are fumbling 10 out of 10 males.
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Like, he's a 10, but you're not going to date him?
03:22:41.760
It looks exactly like this guy Ava showed me a picture of today while I was reorganizing
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Ava is, honestly, if he had, like, if he had, like, if he had your hair, too.
03:22:55.220
I literally said this guy looks like a male version of Solo and he's so hot.
03:23:29.280
But, like, the nose and the smile and the eyes are definitely still like my brothers.
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And, it's probably because they're my brothers.
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Maybe it's like the color of his shirt on the bottom one.
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To the women who are tens, can you guys name, like, maybe a celebrity or a famous person
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I don't know that many celebrities off name, thinking.
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So, just to be clear, their tens, your tens, you guys are saying that you don't, obviously
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you look different, but you're just as attractive as these people who you listed.
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Some people could say that I'm just as attractive as Tyler, but that's not common, I don't think.
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I think there are guys that would say I'm just as attractive.
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I can't generally say that I'm just as attractive as Tyler.
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No, but like really conventionally attractive guys.
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I'm convinced that he has to be gay because he's so, like, beautiful.
03:29:37.220
Probably not a – that's not really a W for women.
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Yeah, well, I mean, okay, I think I could get him and keep him for a bit.
03:29:51.240
When you say get him, do you mean sleep with him or be with him?
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I mean, if you – okay, I'm thinking about Will Smith right now.
03:30:06.540
If he was the same age as me, yeah, I think I could bag that.
03:30:24.680
Well, yeah, you think he's hot, but can you land him?
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Same with Patrick Dempsey and most definitely Michael B. Jordan.
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If I was ever in a room with Michael B. Jordan, oh, my God, I'm flirting my ass off.
03:30:47.780
Does everyone on the Sidemen YouTube channel count as celebrities?
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Did you like the challenges and stuff and they have the awesome accent?
03:31:20.340
Why don't average women want to date average men?
03:31:29.920
Why don't average women want to date average men?
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Why don't average women want to date like average guys?
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I feel like they would have to meet my average if not more than that because if you're not
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meeting me where I'm at, I don't want your average.
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I'm not going to date someone with an average personality.
03:32:16.180
When you say you have an amazing personality, like what do you mean?
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Ava is literally the most outgoing and like talkative and funny person I've ever met
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But so from the male perspective, I don't think men prioritize those personality traits.
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But she wants someone that will make her feel how –
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There are plenty of guys who do prioritize those traits, okay?
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Guys, generally speaking, don't care about a woman being funny.
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Do you think men want women who are not sweet and who are boisterous?
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I'm just saying like there are a lot of men who do that.
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When I'm throwing these things out there, I'm not denying that like there's no man on
03:33:36.180
But you're referring to average men who like average girls.
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So yeah, a lot of guys probably don't prefer me.
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But does average mean like average like normal?
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Or does average mean like average amount of goodness?
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But average like boring and normal or average like better?
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I don't think I'm like better than everyone else.
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I just think that like I'm not like super normal.
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It was why don't average women want average men?
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Oh, I thought we were like doing the whole circle thing where we all answer it.
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Well, I guess I'll explain kind of quickly why this rating question is asked and why I think it's important.
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And why I think it's important for both men and women, but I think this manifests itself more so in women.
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Having a reasonable self-assessment of your own attractiveness.
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So, just because a guy will dick you down doesn't mean he'll wife you up.
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Well, I would argue while it is the case, I'm not denying that this phenomenon happens in the reverse.
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I think it's way more often the case, like if a woman is going to have a one-night stand, that guy is going to at least be attractive enough.
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She's going to be – the guy is going to be at least attractive enough that she would be in a relationship with him on the sole metric of looks.
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Now, oftentimes though, you'll see an even different thing.
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Relationship-minded women who otherwise wouldn't have hookups might break that rule if the guy is really fucking good looking or really attractive.
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They might not otherwise really be into hookups, but he's so attractive, it's overwhelming, she's seduced, whatever.
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Whereas for men, when men are trying to engage in casual sex, they go the opposite direction.
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A man will have casual sex with a woman that on the sole basis of her physical appearance, he would never be in a relationship with her because she just doesn't meet his baseline level of what he wants for a girlfriend in terms of her looks.
03:36:28.540
Yeah, but I just – yeah, but I'm also avoidant also too.
03:36:32.680
All right, so again, I'm not denying that women be slumming it from time to time for some dick.
03:36:43.300
But again, sometimes what else is the – because okay, attraction isn't just about looks.
03:36:49.860
So are you just like – it's like some of these bad looking dudes, like they're also like terrible personality and whatever, whatever?
03:36:56.340
Like what makes me want to hit it and quit it and like never text them back?
03:37:04.860
So you're just fucking dudes with bad personalities who –
03:37:10.560
Are you fucking girls with bad personalities that are also ugly?
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So if I'm fucking a guy and he's attractive and he's hot, I mean, I'm going to fuck him,
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My argument here is that for a woman to sleep with a guy, he typically has to be at least good looking enough that she would be in a relationship with him.
03:37:48.700
Who's – like he would be like just – she could be amazing.
03:37:52.420
She could be amazing, but just on the sole basis of her looks, he'd never be in a relationship with her.
03:38:01.540
I'm sure you agree with this because this is a well-documented –
03:38:06.540
Now, the issue is though is when – if a woman isn't aware of her own standing in like the social order or whatever, she – I know it's – oh, my God.
03:38:17.300
He's explaining something to me that I disagree with.
03:38:26.800
Because women have sexual – like for example, if I step to a girl that's outside of my league, I'm not –
03:38:36.080
she's never – it's never considered in her brain, well, I'm not really that attracted to the guy, but he's offering dick, so I guess I'll fuck him for the experience.
03:38:46.240
Like if I step to a girl in – that's outside of my league, instant rejection.
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Y'all will get rejected on the back end where you're caught up in a situation ship.
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Now, I'm not saying it's impossible for women to get into relationships.
03:39:06.680
But what I am saying is guys will keep you around.
03:39:10.000
They'll sleep with you once, twice, three times, situation ship, friends with benefits.
03:39:13.640
And on the sole basis of your looks, they're not going to give you commitment.
03:39:17.440
You have at least that limited, limited sexual access to men outside of your league, whereas men don't get any access to women outside of their league.
03:39:31.040
Like I think it's stupid as fuck for men to be sleeping with women who they don't have a genuine romantic interest in.
03:39:40.780
And so what ends up happening is you'll have women who are dealing with a certain caliber of guy, and you'll be chasing those dudes who will never give you commitment.
03:39:53.140
And then you'll look at the guys who are actually prepared to give you commitment, who may very well be on your level.
03:40:02.360
Maybe when you're 30, it's time to settle down.
03:40:09.520
So I guess ultimately my point here is it's important to know where you stand because it's very easy as women for you to deal with really attractive men that are going to be jerks or mistreat you or not give you the commitment you're looking for.
03:40:27.780
I understand not all women are looking for commitment.
03:40:33.280
Some of them, look, some of y'all want to fuck around.
03:40:40.560
Hey, whatever, whatever, you know, no judgment.
03:40:42.640
But I guess if I were to reframe it a little bit like this, do you think, imagine like the average looking dude, average above average looking dude.
03:40:55.100
Let's just say he could constantly be getting attention from like really beautiful women.
03:41:02.060
But those really beautiful women never wanted a relationship.
03:41:06.240
They'd fuck him once, twice, keep him around like friends with benefits.
03:41:12.460
Do you think the average looking guy would then go and look at the average woman who's willing to be in a relationship with him and be like, yes, I'm going to stop having sex with women who are way more beautiful than you and who are doing all these things for me.
03:41:28.080
I don't think they would, but that's not the case, of course, but it is the case in the reverse for women.
03:41:39.260
Are you trying to tell us that we need to like lower our ranking?
03:41:43.640
Well, I think, look, because like you said, you, you started this whole conversation only the 10s.
03:41:52.220
I'm a little bit confused on like the point of that.
03:41:54.100
Yeah, no, well, the point is, is that the point is he's telling us we're not 10s.
03:42:01.620
I think he's telling us that we need to realize that we're not 10s, I think.
03:42:05.540
Well, if you're fine, look, I'll put it like this.
03:42:09.760
If you're fine being used by really attractive men who have a bunch of options.
03:42:27.920
Maybe you're perfectly happy engaging in like casual sexual encounters.
03:42:32.060
But I never even told you I engage in casual sexual encounters.
03:42:36.200
But what I'm saying is, this is a phenomenon that happens where women who are average do have access to men above their league.
03:42:49.560
And there's a whole bunch of ways I could break it down.
03:42:57.340
Because if you, it's fun and exciting to be with that really hot, attractive dude.
03:43:07.680
If you'd like to take it as that, take it as that.
03:43:10.480
I just was like, I thought I was blanking for a second.
03:43:15.280
I'm just saying, once you're used to a certain, there's this psychological phenomenon.
03:43:20.500
Once you're used to a certain caliber of experience.
03:43:23.880
This extends to, for example, you guys, some of you are roommates.
03:43:29.720
Do you guys, are you guys like live in a room together?
03:43:39.700
But do you have, it doesn't matter where, but do you have a roommate, not a housemate, roommate,
03:43:53.260
Once you guys get out of college and then one day you guys are all going to be a very successful career women, you're going to have your own snazzy apartment.
03:44:06.600
Once you've had that experience, it's going to be very difficult to go backwards to living, like once you've had your own bathroom, you've lived alone, had your own bathroom.
03:44:20.120
It's really hard to go back to sharing the bathroom.
03:44:23.140
Once you've had your own bedroom, it's really hard to go back to having a fucking triple.
03:44:34.880
People do play comparisons when it comes to dating.
03:44:37.700
So it's like if the next guy you deal with doesn't measure up to another guy you've dealt with, perhaps on a more casual front, you're going to be like, damn, the sex was better with that guy.
03:44:51.300
Maybe you deal with a rich guy or a guy with status.
03:44:55.560
Once you've had that experience, it's like you are going to, whether up front or not, you are going to be playing a comparison game.
03:45:03.460
I would say if I was just running through really hot, well, I guess I would be, if a bunch of really hot model chicks were running through me, but they won't give me commitment.
03:45:16.000
But now I got to like settle for that, settle for the average girl.
03:45:20.200
I'm going to be like, damn, I'm going to be less stoked.
03:45:43.040
Well, no, I mean, I'm just saying like, I'm trying to like relate to the situ, like to the situ.
03:45:52.020
I'm just, look, I guess my point is a lot of average women don't want the average guy.
03:45:59.220
A lot of average women don't want to date the average guy.
03:46:03.140
And that's going to be a kind of a recipe for disaster for on the, on the individual level, but also I think societally.
03:46:14.840
Plus I feel like women, women always want something better than they are anyway.
03:46:22.020
Even with my boyfriend, there's aspects of him that I definitely think are better than me in the sense that it's helped me grow.
03:46:29.200
I'm sure that there's parts of you that are better than him though.
03:46:35.460
Hanlon's underscore razor underscore 224 donated $200.
03:46:45.800
I am not interested on breaking into women's apartments.
03:47:11.880
You do have to send in another TTS as a SimTax.
03:47:24.920
To all the female panelists on the podcast who are not Tens but are Fives, why do average
03:47:34.380
Why go after the above average men who will not keep or marry you?
03:47:37.940
I don't remember any of us saying we wouldn't go for the average man.
03:48:00.840
I think that's why I was so confused because I think you asked them to and then went on
03:48:04.880
the whole thing and I was like, what's happening right now?
03:48:12.340
But I do think that we do have some data on this.
03:48:19.480
On the dating apps, what you see happening is you have, like, the vast majority of women
03:48:23.820
on dating apps are primarily matching with the top 10% of men.
03:48:28.960
And all, like, that top 10% of men, they're sharing all those women.
03:48:33.980
So you'll have women who are dating these, like, top guys and they welcome it.
03:48:41.660
So these women think they're dating these dudes or it's just casual, whatever.
03:48:44.280
And then, meanwhile, you have the bottom, like, 70%, 80% of men, they're not dating.
03:48:51.040
And then the women who are not getting the commitment from the guys they want, those women
03:48:56.480
They don't want to be situationship, bouncing the situationship, next situationship, not
03:49:05.940
Can we go to the text message I sent you, like, months ago when I was, like, the guy
03:49:11.120
I had met with this dude and then he gave me his number.
03:49:15.620
We met at, like, a house party or whatever and I punched it in my phone just to realize
03:49:19.480
that he's tried to be in contact with me in the past because he's messaged me for my services
03:49:33.680
Well, because it was like a, you know, I was at a party and I was getting introduced by
03:49:38.680
all these people with, like, from my friends and stuff and then I go to get his number.
03:49:45.380
He punches his number in my phone and then I look and I'm like, oh, we already had prior
03:49:50.480
And something else that I've noticed with these dating apps are guys are contacting me on my
03:49:56.320
business email being like, hey, saw your account on so-and-so and I would like to book
03:50:04.000
And it's just weird because it's like, okay, you see my profile on Bumble or Hinge or whatever
03:50:09.160
and I just have photos of me linked to my Instagram, but then you're finding me off
03:50:13.660
different sources and then you're messaging me saying that you found me on these platforms.
03:50:17.100
So it's like men aren't just using these platforms for dating either.
03:50:20.440
They're doing the same thing, like seeking women out on dating apps.
03:50:32.160
Well, yeah, it's weird because it's like I was a regular, like I had a regular dating
03:50:37.820
What does this have to do with the conversation though?
03:50:40.560
Like the Bumble and the Hinge and how like the interactions of dating on the dating apps
03:50:52.120
Basically, like they're just looking for girls to have sex with.
03:50:59.720
And it's just weird because like in the real life when I met this guy that was just trying
03:51:02.920
to like have casual conversation or whatever, then they're like.
03:51:11.720
And that's why I think it's so weird because it's like it ties into, again, dating culture,
03:51:16.500
Like these guys are on these apps, but then they're finding me professionally and being
03:51:25.400
They're not as genuine as they're trying to make themselves seem.
03:51:36.300
Shares one, two, three, four, five, and eight are perfect examples of why Western women or any
03:51:45.800
Just look at how they act and react to arguments.
03:51:52.240
I actually am a feminist, but so that's totally wrong.
03:51:58.280
Actually, this guy did a, on dating apps, this guy did an experiment where he went on Tinder
03:52:05.980
and he was seeing how many women he could match with and how many dates he actually goes
03:52:11.760
For me, being a woman who dated both men and women, I find it, it was extremely hard for
03:52:18.780
me to find a mate on, when I was looking for a woman.
03:52:22.480
And a guy, I mean, two days, within two days I get like 200 likes and I match with like 50
03:52:28.280
of those guys and maybe go on one or two dates.
03:52:30.880
If I were into that, for women, it's like maybe one match in like four or five months.
03:52:36.260
And even sometimes the conversation doesn't last.
03:52:42.140
They can never, it's so harder for them, much harder for them than it would be for a
03:52:52.580
And I would say like, I think for, yeah, no, when I've used dating apps, when I've used
03:52:59.040
dating apps, the problem wasn't getting a match or even going out on the date.
03:53:03.360
It was kind of like how things progressed after, you know, but my boyfriend now, like
03:53:08.780
I said, that was kind of like super, that was like, no, actually some of the people that
03:53:13.760
I've matched with, they definitely wanted relationships pretty quick or wanted to get
03:53:20.620
So I think for women, it's probably easier dating.
03:53:23.300
So, and like, if you want to be serious and a man wants that with you too, it kind of
03:53:29.140
So I would say though, a lot of the guys, hold on, tea donated $200 society is hurting
03:53:35.420
because men always want the prettier option studies show men are nicer to prettier women
03:53:40.280
and after much rejection, the ugly duckling or plain Jane will run to plastic surgery
03:53:49.920
Everybody's nicer to prettier people, regardless of your gender, intergender, like that.
03:54:00.120
Well, I don't, I, I actually don't know if this is actually the case.
03:54:03.320
I would say men are nicer to better looking men.
03:54:08.140
Men, I don't, are women nicer to better looking women?
03:54:15.120
I think there's a competition thing because that's why women, like people get plastic
03:54:21.200
Or feeling insecure and then wanting to make it better.
03:54:24.440
We have based or not average women want above average men because they are better than average
03:54:31.540
It's how our species ended up smart and strong.
03:54:47.720
I've dated, you know, quite a good looking group of men before and they were all homeless
03:55:05.880
And then he was living on my mom's couch for a minute.
03:55:13.000
And then the richest men are really unattractive.
03:55:21.980
Like, you wouldn't, you couldn't pay me a billion dollars to sleep with that man.
03:55:25.760
But he's got like one of the most baddest bitches on his, like, did.
03:55:35.480
I think geeks and those that are on that below standpoint would treat a woman much better,
03:55:42.160
I guess it's like if you're going to maybe like looks.
03:55:44.820
But again, I know I keep bringing up my boyfriend.
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But a lot of the other qualities he has makes him a little bit better than me.
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So I definitely was super excited when he was interested too.
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I guess the best way I could just encapsulate what I'm trying to convey here is
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attractive men will sleep with women they don't find commitment level attractive.
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The woman now thinks that she is deserving of an attractive man of that caliber.
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And she won't settle for someone who's perhaps her looks equivalent.
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She's not satisfied in relationships because she always thinks back to the attractive guy.
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She had one night, two nights, three nights situationship.
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You don't have average dudes who are getting, like, bombarded and ran through by, like, top-tier guys.
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I think that they had money to have a good chance.
03:57:07.120
We have almost everybody here is single except for you.
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So, you've been single for two years, but do you have any guys in the picture currently?
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Yeah, I've actually been casually just talking to.
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Does that mean I'm hooking up with them at the same time or just, like, talking to them
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Are you talking just, like, exploring, like, a connection with multiple people?
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But were you, like, hooking up with maybe two or three of them?
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I've never, like, been able to, like, actually, like, continue.
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Like, I've been able to, like, kind of hook up with one person.
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I thought you were meaning, like, actual dating.
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Like, my last actual relationship was a year ago.
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But when you mean, when you say roster, like, does that mean, like, people that I'm interested?
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Like, I was, like, picking between maybe, like, four.
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But not like I was seeing all of them or talking to all of them.
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We'll get right to it once I finish this segment.
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Well, when I say, yeah, guys in the picture, I'm asking just for right now.
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Going to you, you've been single for seven months.
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He thinks he's in the picture, but you've explained to him multiple times the why and
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I would like casually date, but one person at a time.
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So, like, you had the guy who you were hooking up with, and then this guy took you out to dinner.
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This guy, I don't know, bought you flowers or some shit.
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Women have, like, compartmentalized, like, okay, he's really good in bed.
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Is that what roster means, people that you're seeing?
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Just, like, using, I mean, maybe that's a good idea.
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Just, like, using each guy for what they can give you.
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I just had, like, a crush on, like, three different guys.
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I don't usually take a Pilates class because I find that every time I take Pilates and
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I have, like, two or three guys in my class, I'm like, damn, what is he doing here?
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No, that's actually a great place to look for it.
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And you can put in what you're looking for, and there's a bunch of groups you can meet other
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You know, if there's a hobby, a sport, something.
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Is this the Patty who did the Champagne Pop last show?
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Lexi over here was asking for more alcohol, but unfortunately we're tapped.
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Do you think it's wrong for a man to care about a woman's body count?
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Wrong for a man to care about a woman's body count.
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There's men who do care and there's men who don't care.
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I wouldn't want to be with a guy who slept with...
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Like, 18 years old, like, just barely an adult.
04:06:48.080
And if you have more than, like, 10 bodies, it's kind of insane.
04:06:59.720
I'm not judging how many you have, but I'm judging if you lie.
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I think there's no judging, but if it comes to someone that, like, I'm going to be with,
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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But mind you, I've had most of them before I was the age of 18.
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I'm personally uncomfortable answering the question.
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Two to three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
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Three, four, one, four, one, five, nine, two, six, five, three.
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You guys know pi is a number between three and four, right?
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Here, I'm going to, somebody in the chat, she's been on the show like two or three times.
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Oh, the times before the chat, babes, they were all also just like the number of pi.
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Three, four, one, four, one, two, six, five, three.
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Look, if I recall correctly, it's like because of your work.
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Multiply it by three and that's the real number.
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04:13:14.940
I mean, a feminist doesn't mean that you're running at rallies and stuff every day.
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Someone who supports that general idea of equality.
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Someone who supports the general idea of feminism.
04:13:33.900
Well, I'll give you the, the, here, I'll give you two then.
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My charitable definition is feminism is a woman's advocacy movement, but baked into that means
04:13:47.820
So feminism is women's advocacy, but it has nothing to do with seeking equality.
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So feminism means that like women who think women are better than men.
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There's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but my own assessment, as charitable as possible,
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is women, excuse me, is feminism is not truly an equality movement.
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It's about advocating for women, which is fine.
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Now, my real definition of it is it is a woman's advocacy movement, but it's also clearly, clearly,
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strongly anti-male and has massive amounts of anti-male rhetoric.
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A movement towards equality while simultaneously dismantling the patriarchy.
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I think women's advocacy is good for problems with women, like specifically women.
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But I think it's important to prioritize equality over that.
04:15:16.560
You're explaining this as if people explain the Black Lives Matter movement, saying that
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black people are better than white people, and that's not what it's about.
04:15:30.740
Well, I mean, you kind of are referring to it in the same way.
04:15:33.940
You're saying that like a lot of feminism is people thinking that women are better than
04:15:39.500
No, well, what I specifically said is there's overt anti-male rhetoric in the feminist movement
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I feel like, I feel like you're missing, I feel like the, that line of thinking is part
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of the issue that it's like, you're missing the point.
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I think people took the, I think that like, there is anti-men and there's like also anti,
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But the feminist movement, it's steeped in anti-male rhetoric.
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I think they took the feminist and just like, again, made something that it was.
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I actually believe that it should be, it's equality.
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I think that women should get out there and do men's work.
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But to me, if we're going to talk about women's rights and equality and all that, then it should
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mean everything, not just when it best benefits you, you know what I'm saying?
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Well, that's my, that's my first definition because if, for example, if there is a form
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of equality that comes to the detriment of women, feminists absolutely will not fight
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for that equality if it conceivably comes to the detriment of women.
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So, for example, equalizing the military draft, that would create equality between men and
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There's other certain things like, an example in Florida a couple years ago, I think it was
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I could be mixing it up with another women's or girl or whatever.
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However, the court system was trying to equalize custody between parents, between fathers and
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mothers, with an assumption that both parents should have equal split custody.
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The way the law previously was, was that women were treated preferentially in the court
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Feminist organizations, women's organizations fought against this because conceivably doing
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That's why my position is, feminism, while it advocates for women, doesn't actually seek
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to have equality if said equality hurts women in some sort of way.
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How does having more, or like, more access to your child hurt women?
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That's, I feel like women want to have their kids.
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I don't think that that's, I don't think the feminists were like, fuck this.
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No, they were arguing against the other position, saying it hurt, I guess it hurts women conceivably
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to their detriment, because women often want more, they don't want 50-50 custody, they want
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more custody, but in the interest of fairness, and frankly, what's best for the child, it is
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best for both parents to be involved, and we shouldn't, like, do this bigoted, gender-sexist
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thing of defaulting women to getting custody of their children.
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I've never heard any, like, feminist movement about that, though.
04:18:47.280
Okay, just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Like, that's not, like, that's more, like, about child care.
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That's a component of feminism and gender dynamics between men and women.
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The organization I cite to is the preeminent women's advocacy or feminist organization.
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The courts absolutely do give, usually, the rights to...
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Yeah, there's a massive bias in the court system against men, especially as it relates
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It doesn't matter even if the woman, even if the man makes more money, the court's still
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But, look, there's nothing necessarily wrong with groups of people wanting to advocate
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But I don't think feminists want to paint it as, it's about equality.
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If it doesn't, they'll fight against the equality.
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But what was the point of bringing up feminism?
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But do you think, like, I don't know, do you believe...
04:20:15.440
No, I think that parents should have equal custody.
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But I was just giving you one example in which feminists will fight to ensure that there
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isn't equality in certain realms for the benefit.
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Are you for, like, so what's your position on feminism?
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You might even say I could be, I'm an anti-feminist.
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Because feminism, clearly, especially with much of the rhetoric that is espoused by feminists,
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And the whole foundation of most feminist teachings and theories is anti-male.
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If that's your basis for establishing, like, that's the lens that you look through.
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The basis for feminism was, like, women should vote.
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There were legitimate things that were unequal when it comes to, you know, certain things
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But if you look at much of the rhetoric involved, even historically, but especially modern day,
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when women have secured all these rights and there really is equality between men and women,
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most of the rhetoric is incredibly misandrist and quite anti-male.
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I mean, I guess I would ask you, if feminism is about fighting for women's rights,
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I guess I would ask, do you think that men and women don't have equal rights?
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Well, 100% men and women do not have equal rights.
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You're laughing because you think it's self-evident?
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But can you tell me, like, what are some of the actual rights that men have that women
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Like, do you mean, like, the right to bear arms and, like, the right to vote?
04:22:41.400
If it is the case that women have equal rights to men, why did you...
04:22:44.000
Well, I guess I was thinking more just, like, are women seen as equals?
04:22:54.160
Yeah, I don't think that women are seen as equal to men.
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I think that we're looked at as more, like, stupid.
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Like, you don't feel like you get talked down to by men because you're a woman?
04:23:13.360
Okay, I get talked down to by women, so, I mean...
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Yeah, but I don't think that they're talking down to you because you're a man.
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So, maybe there are women that are anti-men that are, like, talking to you.
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But I think that, like, a lot of people are born with, like, internalized sexism.
04:23:35.740
Then you treat them like they're stupid, but not because they're a man or a woman, because they're stupid.
04:23:39.220
But I think one thing that's interesting to me about that is it seems like it's often the case when a bad thing happens to women or a bad thing happens to a minority, somebody in a minority group, whether they're Hispanic or they're black or they're Asian, whatever it is, there is this yearning to the bad thing that happened to them happened because they're part of this identity group.
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A bad thing happened to a woman, and it happened because she's a woman.
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But we don't put this sort of same thing on them.
04:24:12.500
So, give me an example of something that, like, someone, like, something that might happen to me, and then I might say, like, okay, it's because I'm a woman.
04:24:20.280
Well, you mentioned Black Lives Matter recently, so I guess I'll take it in that direction.
04:24:25.660
Yeah, so what happened, you know, look, that whole thing's very complicated.
04:24:31.640
The George Floyd killing, there's varying disputes over, you know, did he OD, did the police contribute to his unfortunate death?
04:24:44.140
However, nothing actually in the conduct of the police officer would indicate to me that it was racially motivated.
04:24:55.720
A black man did happen to die, and that's unfortunate.
04:24:58.080
But there was nothing in the actual conduct of the police officers that would indicate that they was racially motivated.
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I think it's, I think that in that situation, I honestly am going to say, like, this one thing.
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And then I think that, like, what I was really asking was an example, like, for myself.
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Like, something that would happen to me so that I can judge, like, what I say, oh, is this because I'm a woman or whatever.
04:25:25.160
But in that situation, I think it's really just statistics of things like that happening to black men over white men.
04:25:30.580
Well, the exact, then shifting off of that, then the exact example you provided, you say men talk down to women.
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And you're saying that it's because they're women.
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But why would suddenly, after, like, so many centuries of sexism and women being less than, and, like, suddenly, yeah, okay, we have the same rights.
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But suddenly, like, men are really going to treat you the same.
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And sometimes we might think a man is better suited to be our surgeon than a woman.
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Like, if you're, like, you know, I think that it's, like, it's.
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But I think that off first bat, a lot of people, maybe myself, if I was given two options, the first thing, because that's what we're trained to think, is that, like, men are going to do a better job at certain things.
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Actually, I mean, again, I'm not, I'm sure there's been studies on this.
04:26:31.180
Um, there, there maybe has been some studies that actually, that actually maybe point out that in some surgical practices, women have some degree of better, like, hand-eye coordination, or I don't know the exact, anyways, that's, that's besides the point.
04:26:51.000
I, like, for example, and this would kind of just make sense without, like, a study needed, like, assuming women have smaller hands, they're better able to, like, make sort of, like, if you have big, big man hands or some shit, it's kind of, like, hard to, you know, like, with really small instruments, you know, so.
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I think that men are better than women at some things, and women are better than men at some things.
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But I also think that there can be women that are better than men at things that men are normally better at, too.
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It literally doesn't matter if you're good at something, you're good at something.
04:27:29.160
So I'm saying, wait, I, did it sound like I was saying that people should think that men are better surgeons?
04:27:38.040
But, so I guess, is there, and one thing, actually, you mentioned that, you mentioned that there was a lot of sexism for long periods of time.
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Like, we all know, like, the history of sexism.
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But you do realize, for example, men only got the right to vote very, very shortly before women?
04:28:04.740
You mean, like, like, poor men or black men or Native American men?
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Are you talking about this country, other countries?
04:28:15.600
Yeah, so voting is a pretty new phenomenon for the vast majority of human history.
04:28:19.420
Yeah, I think we started voting in, like, multiple hundreds of years ago.
04:28:25.440
Broadly, voting is very recent, past 200, 300 years.
04:28:33.120
So I think the differential, so in the United States, I think the difference is, like, 50 years from when all men could vote and from when all women could vote.
04:28:44.880
Like, like, they waited to allow, like, men who were poor that weren't property owners and stuff to vote.
04:28:51.560
Like, that was years after, like, men with money or white men.
04:28:56.580
Like, first it was men that were property owners and, like, were also religious and also white could vote.
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And then it was men that were property owners and white.
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Like, but up until the very end, it was just men who were this and men who were that.
04:29:16.600
Well, the point I'm trying to make is that for the vast majority of human history, most men and most women didn't have any power, didn't have any say.
04:29:31.460
Right, there were kings and emperors and this sort of thing.
04:29:34.860
Yeah, most of the time it was men that were kings and emperors, right?
04:29:37.820
Yeah, sure, but that's a very small apex of men that had any power.
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So just because, like, I would say that has more to do with power.
04:29:47.460
Yeah, but you're talking about everyone else didn't have power, so then the people that did have power.
04:30:00.040
No, I think that this conversation has gone really far off of where we started, and I just don't really feel like I need to continue.
04:30:07.980
Yeah, no, I'm good having the conversation, too.
04:30:10.040
Does anyone else want to input anything, though?
04:30:20.580
No, I just feel like I'm trying to give it a history lesson right now.
04:30:24.780
Like, I just don't feel educated enough to, like...
04:30:33.340
It takes a level of intelligence to say, you know what, I just don't know about this.
04:30:38.920
So, as far as equality goes, yes, women do have...
04:30:49.300
However, there are still things that men are given more privilege to as far as pay.
04:30:58.460
The girl from Shameless actually quit the show because they were not paying her the amount
04:31:09.880
We only have one vice woman president after so many years.
04:31:13.580
And she still didn't win because she is a woman.
04:31:23.840
Because I'm going to have difficulty keeping up before just shotgunning all these things.
04:31:29.620
I don't think she didn't win because she was a woman, but...
04:31:34.000
Yeah, I mean, there's a reason we've never had a woman president.
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Had nothing to do with the fact that she was a woman.
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It wasn't all of it, but it was one of the reasons.
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I think she would have gotten more votes if she had the same policy if it was a man.
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If you could choose, not knowing their specific politics, between voting for a woman or a man,
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Well, first of all, if they're solely based on their sex?
04:32:08.600
Yeah, assume it's like your political affiliation, your political alignment, but they're just
04:32:18.040
Mostly the same woman, just because, just because men have been ruined all this time
04:32:26.800
I feel like it would probably be different if a woman did run and did run the country.
04:32:32.220
Well, first of all, when far as, let's say, women can't be present, it's because they're
04:32:38.060
Who do you think of the fact that the guy in office right now is a little too emotional?
04:32:42.700
Guys are also emotional creatures as far as reacting on their anger impulses and setting
04:32:48.400
things like, you know, overturning Roe v. Wade and all that other stuff.
04:32:55.240
You realize there are multiple female justices on the Supreme Court?
04:32:58.640
I'm not, I'm not sitting there and saying that there aren't women who also...
04:33:08.440
When did, didn't that, did that happen during the Biden administration?
04:33:13.900
It wasn't during his, um, his second term, though.
04:33:21.460
I'm just saying, dude, like, honestly, we, there's, the Queen of England has been ruling
04:33:29.320
Well, okay, well, she's ruled for a long time outside of being dead, obviously.
04:33:38.100
My point is that, that's, that's prime example that women can run a country.
04:33:45.920
The UK, the country which lost all its, lost its entire empire, lost its, its territory,
04:33:53.940
and then has, like, rampant crime issues in all of its major cities and has imported, like...
04:33:59.720
Well, that's because the king or queen of the country in the UK doesn't actually, they
04:34:07.680
In the UK, the, the, it's primarily a ceremonial position.
04:34:11.880
They don't really have much say or power as it relates to the politics of the country.
04:34:16.000
Although she probably had a bit more say, a little bit, like, earlier in her reign, but
04:34:24.600
the monarchy is, like, over time, gradually lost power, so...
04:34:29.700
Okay, here, let's just jump to the wage gap, then, because you also mentioned that.
04:34:35.260
Well, how come there are CEOs who get paid more than women CEOs, and it's a factual thing,
04:34:39.780
I mean, you can Google this, um, that men, men do get paid more in certain, in certain,
04:34:49.960
Well, who, who brought up, uh, the actor from...
04:34:56.600
She actually did quit shameless because they were not paying her the money.
04:34:59.660
Same with the scream woman, the lady who plays scream.
04:35:03.100
Um, do you think the extra on the set of a Brad Pitt movie should be paid the same as Brad
04:35:11.880
Okay, how about, sure, should the, should a brand new actor, who's also a main...
04:35:23.200
Brand new main character, co-starring with Brad Pitt, do you think that person should be
04:35:31.580
Because she's an upcoming actress, it'd be like somebody with, uh, years of experience should
04:35:35.900
not be getting paid the same amount of money as someone who's just came into the field.
04:35:39.900
Okay, so now that we have that established, give me the specifics of this female actress
04:35:57.200
Emma Rolson plays the Fiona, the bigger sister.
04:36:17.320
Okay, and this show's been going on for a long time.
04:36:19.060
A long time, and she wasn't in the last, I think, season or two.
04:36:22.960
You're comparing a guy who's been in Hollywood for like decades, and you're surprised that
04:36:28.060
because of his seniority, he's being paid more for...
04:36:32.460
She also is well-known in a lot of other movies.
04:36:46.460
More money than, like, the guy who's been in Hollywood for decades upon decades.
04:37:10.440
Um, it's not surprising to me that the main character of the series was paid more than
04:37:21.260
She was also a main character, is what I'm saying.
04:37:27.560
He's trying to make the point that she's still not as experienced.
04:37:33.480
It's like seniority, of course, you're going to get paid more if you have more qualifications,
04:37:38.900
All those things are going to equate to more pay.
04:37:42.740
William Macy has two-time Emmy Awards, four-time Screen Actors Guild Award.
04:37:56.240
Well, I feel like the WNBA, we're getting paid based off views and tickets.
04:37:59.960
So, like, the men basketball, like, they're getting paid based off of views and tickets.
04:38:08.100
I was so interested in talking about Shameless that I lost track.
04:38:17.780
A feminist is a person who dislikes or hates the male gender and seeks control of men under
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He's Canadian, so just blame it for him being Canadian.
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Looks like Britt bought a hoodie from our merch store.
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The Queen of England made many poor decisions during her reign, and she was responsible, along
04:39:25.220
with the Vatican and particular churches, for the residential school era and other atrocities
04:39:31.560
Are you talking about what was going on in Canada?
04:39:33.220
Well, a pope is a male in the Vatican, so I don't really know the point of that one, but
04:39:54.360
If you own a business and can pay equally qualified women less, you would only hire women.
04:40:02.760
Yeah, and I watched Candace Owens a lot, and she made, like, such a great point that just
04:40:06.880
a lot of the jobs that men do are just naturally higher paying, too, especially because they're
04:40:11.840
a little bit more dangerous, a little bit more intense, like firefighters.
04:40:18.000
No, but that's why the average, but that's why the average is different.
04:40:29.980
No, but the wage gap is, they say, women earn 79 cents to the dollar a man makes.
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That stat that they were always, whatever, it's 83 cents, 80 cents.
04:40:39.700
The wage gap there is, what they're doing is, they're comparing all the money that men make,
04:40:44.800
all the women that money make, just doing a like-for-like comparison.
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And it's completely, anybody who does statistics knows this is like actually like retarded.
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You can't, you can't do an analysis like that and say sexism.
04:40:58.880
You have to start controlling for, okay, do men work more than women?
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And you, if you do the, the controlled wage gap, it shrinks to one cent.
04:41:37.100
I mean, even think about in the military, like when men do more of like, I don't know why
04:41:42.720
I can't think, like when they're like the ones who shoot, I can't think of the, infantry.
04:41:48.480
They have higher pay because it's a more dangerous and hostile job.
04:41:54.060
And I was talking about more so like the payment in the same career field.
04:41:57.920
Sure, but even, so first off, back in the sixties, a law was passed.
04:42:03.360
If you're a woman and you can prove that your coworker is being paid more because they're
04:42:08.200
a man, uh, you can file a lawsuit and make a bunch of money.
04:42:19.220
Also to his point, the person who sent in the TTS, if it was the case that you could
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genuinely, and corporations don't, there's not like this idea in a corporation where,
04:42:32.180
oh, uh, we're just going to be really sexist for the sake of sexism.
04:42:35.980
And we're just going to ignore the fact if women are just as good as men, they work just
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We're going to be less competitive in the capitalist system.
04:42:52.700
If you could get away with hiring women and saving 70% on your payroll, corporations, trust
04:43:03.800
I mean, even, even with tattooing, like when I first started tattooing, I was, it was like
04:43:08.900
$30 a tattoo, you know, just to do flashes and stuff.
04:43:11.860
But now, like on average, I probably have 500 or more per client, but just as I've
04:43:18.480
And there's male tattoo artists who don't make as much as me.
04:43:21.340
And there's also some that make more than me and vice versa.
04:43:24.100
I'm more in like corporate world where it's not really like controlled by like the per,
04:43:29.260
But I mean, still, even in corporate world, it's the same thing.
04:43:31.860
It's the concept of experience qualifications, like what, like where your level is.
04:43:40.140
Like my mom was in a lawsuit like four years ago because of people that she was in charge
04:43:48.480
I mean, there's always going to be like one or two instances, you know.
04:43:53.360
And she won under $20,000 and she was making over $400,000 a year.
04:44:00.980
So it didn't exactly go in her favor, but that's what happened.
04:44:03.920
So, well, she did get a payment, but it was under $20,000.
04:44:08.380
There was also sexual assault involved in the lawsuit as well.
04:44:14.840
No, but if we're having a conversation about the wage gap.
04:44:17.800
No, but when you bring a lawsuit and it's, well, these people were underpaid.
04:44:21.580
Well, there was a lawsuit and then there was the.
04:44:31.580
I'm saying that she didn't make a lot of money off of that.
04:44:33.860
So like your argument that like you can make a crazy amount of money if you get paid less.
04:44:39.180
Like even with the sexual assault, like you were saying that you can, like if you file
04:44:43.740
a lawsuit because of that law, if you're getting paid less.
04:44:47.060
No, if you can prove that there's sexual discrimination in your company and you are being discriminated
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And it doesn't always, but it doesn't always go that way.
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Did I make a claim about how much money you can make?
04:45:08.440
But I do wonder though, why does society care more about a female wage gap and not a male
04:45:18.720
It's actually crazy that you said that because I saw this one video on TikTok where it was
04:45:25.400
And it was like this girl, like it was like the sound of a screaming noise.
04:45:29.180
And it was like when they say a moment of silence for men who've like committed suicide
04:45:33.320
and she's like screaming and dancing and like, it's just crazy.
04:45:41.400
Really quick though, the basketball player, there was recently this controversy, the WNBA,
04:45:47.040
So basically NBA players, top NBA players make a lot of money, a lot of money.
04:45:52.000
WNBA players, they make like a hundred thousand a year.
04:46:00.540
We want to be paid the same as the NBA players.
04:46:13.760
I feel like now for the – honestly, I watch college basketball more than WNBA.
04:46:21.040
Here, I'll just – go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
04:46:22.800
I think now it's different because I think everyone can agree that the WNBA got better.
04:46:30.940
People started watching it more when Angel Reese and Paige Beckers came in.
04:46:37.240
I'll go ahead and agree that the WNBA has gotten better than it used to be.
04:46:40.760
I think the NBA is very different than the WNBA and I –
04:46:46.440
So the question is, though, should WNBA players be paid the same as NBA players?
04:46:59.200
I mean, no, like if it's like the supply and demand, you know what I mean?
04:47:12.380
I would say it's a lot like minor league baseball players and major league baseball players.
04:47:18.480
I mean, the more – not many people watch WN – I don't think I've ever watched WNB,
04:47:22.800
so I don't even know any of the professional players.
04:47:25.220
So I would say it really depends on the player.
04:47:30.560
I don't think that – I think that a good, fantastic WNB player,
04:47:35.400
just as good as a good NBA player should be paid the same.
04:47:39.320
I think it depends on how much you're going to watch, though.
04:47:41.120
It's literally – I don't think you understand the difference of physicality between men and women.
04:47:52.040
will get absolutely scorched by like a top-level high school boy.
04:48:11.040
Wait, like an average high school boy could beat Paige Beckers.
04:48:14.780
I'm saying like a top high school boy will smoke a WNBA player.
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A top high school boy out of all the high schools or at like an average given high school?
04:48:57.980
Obviously, a man who is that big and that much stronger than a woman, they would obviously
04:49:11.680
It's like the – for example, the women's national soccer team – and this happens
04:49:15.820
in multiple countries – they will play against like the under-15 boys division and get fucking
04:49:30.380
And I don't know why – why are you looking like that?
04:49:38.140
Well, I literally – I honestly couldn't tell you what the last two sentences that you
04:49:56.260
When it comes to sports, you can take, like, an amateur male athlete and he'll scorch a
04:50:02.260
Well, that's why we have the whole transgenders in sports thing.
04:50:07.620
I honestly keep my face out of that issue and I'm not transgender and I don't have transgender
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I don't think transgender people should be competing with women.
04:50:36.680
And she was beating the women and some women didn't get to get medals or get to go off
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I think that is literally the most stupid thing anyone has ever thought was to compete.
04:50:46.860
Guys, W's in the chat for based solo over there.
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And I do have transgender family members and I completely – I agree with it.
04:50:56.640
Well, even some transgender – a lot of transgender people say –
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You don't see no transgender to male competing in women.
04:51:12.340
Those that are watching are my friends who are trans.
04:51:16.260
One of the girls at my – like, one of the high schools I transferred from, she recently
04:51:23.020
And the runner-up or, like, they tied for first place was a transgendered female.
04:51:28.360
So, she technically won, but the person who, like –
04:51:40.080
Not as good as being the only person who's first, you know?
04:51:45.540
And she could have very closely lost that, you know?
04:51:48.520
Me and my sister had, actually, like, a really long conversation about this topic because
04:51:53.880
Heavily involved in track all throughout school.
04:51:56.440
And I think it's completely unfair because, like, let's say a woman from birth and then
04:52:04.820
a transgender woman both endure the same training all the way through, the transgender
04:52:10.600
person will always win because they're taller and can have more muscle.
04:52:15.600
And that is no discrimination towards transgender people at all.
04:52:19.180
I'm all for everyone do whatever the hell you want and you be that happy person.
04:52:26.440
Because, honestly, I played softball and I played a little bit of college softball and
04:52:30.500
I'm not going to lie, I would be terrified if, like, a 5'10 transgender was up to bat
04:52:41.400
Like, first place to a biological male, I would be pissed.
04:52:49.040
It's such a hard topic, though, because then it's like, okay, I don't think it's...
04:52:55.480
If you want to mention the women who want to play sports, who are they supposed to be?
04:53:03.000
Yeah, their own team or still be in, like, play with males.
04:53:06.380
And I feel like it would be unfair for the trans people not to understand where we as women
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are coming from because it's, like, it's not fair for us to compete in that same room
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when it's, like, you clearly have an advantage.
04:53:29.780
Again, getting a line drive by a man right at their base, that's real close.
04:53:36.680
Well, because I feel like for sports, it's not even about, like, gender or what you identify as.
04:53:43.860
It's about what you are bored as and what you are by a lot of time and what you're capable of doing.
04:53:53.080
When the WMBA wasn't doing so well, it started to blame men for its low ratings and low ticket sales.
04:54:00.120
My question is, where were all the women and feminists?
04:54:08.040
I feel like women aren't, generally speaking, as into sports as men are.
04:54:17.660
Feminists pick and choose what is actually the best benefit.
04:54:41.800
What are the blue light blocking glasses there?
04:54:47.540
And unfortunately, now he works for the whatever podcast.
04:54:56.780
We're going to move off the wage gap stuff, I guess.
04:55:01.780
Oh, speaking of transgender stuff, though, I guess we can relate it to dating.
04:55:42.440
If a man transitioned to a woman, or a transgender woman, like, still had, like, everything of
04:55:53.780
a man, and then was with opposite sex, and they were, like, doing things together, I
04:56:01.940
Yeah, but I mean, a fake vajayjay isn't a vajayjay, so...
04:56:14.780
Look, even if you get the bottom surgery or whatever, nah.
04:56:26.800
I think to each their own, but personally, I don't think I could.
04:56:34.240
Well, yeah, but that just goes down to preferences again.
04:56:38.780
I guess, ultimately, look, even granting that you can change your gender, you can't change
04:56:43.580
your sex, so if we're talking about heterosexuality, homosexuality, gay, straight, this is short
04:56:52.240
form slang for either homosexuality, heterosexuality, you can't change your sex, you can put on a
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wig, get fake titties, even chop your dick off, get the fake vagina, whatever.
04:57:17.280
There's, like, a meme that where I don't know how he says it, but he says it so funny.
04:57:33.860
It is unfair to the biological women in their athletic fields and takes away their hard work
04:58:04.800
Do you want to take her on a date, Pasty George?
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He's going to be like, I don't want you, you feminist.
04:59:17.420
A straight man and a trans woman entering into a relationship is absolutely gay.
04:59:26.340
But the tech is not at that advanced level yet.
04:59:34.680
Joyful, it got the sensor, whatever, change it.
04:59:42.260
Oh, so like, what if a transgender person got a vagina transplant?
05:00:04.140
...of this one transgender woman who said that she wanted a uterus transplant to be the
05:00:26.900
When I saw that, I was taken off guard by that.
05:00:39.000
So, rapid fire, show of hands, are you attracted to men who are successful?
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Are you attracted to men who make a lot of money?
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So, this could be like fame, or they're like at the top.
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Like, you're asking me if I'm attracted to a man purely off the fact that he has money?
05:01:16.300
Status could be fame, but it could also be he's, like, he's not famous, but he's the
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But do you mean, like, are we attracted to him only because of that and everything else
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Obviously, you want more than just that, though.
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Do you want a man, like, deeper into the relationship?
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Or do you want him to still take care of things in the relationship?
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I know some of you guys are young, so you're probably not going to...
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Yeah, that's one thing that you, like, for me, like, as a college student, like, a
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broke college student, like, I know that everyone around me is also struggling to,
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So, I can't go on a first date with a guy and expect him to drop $50 on the both of us.
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I mean, even the first date, that's probably okay, but he's probably not
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A college guy's not going to be able to take care of you.
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I mean, it would be nice, but, like, if it was split, I'm not going to sit there and
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I know some of you are young, maybe when you're a bit older.
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Do you want a man to take care of all the bills?
05:02:59.200
She had a rough patch at 14 and ever since she'd be like, fuck that shit.
05:03:05.760
Those of you who do want to have kids want to take a few years off from work when you
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Maybe you want two or three kids, you know, whatever.
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Anybody here want to be a stay-at-home mom while your husband works?
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It's because of a mating pressure that women one-directionally put on men that isn't in
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So all these things I listed, most of these things I listed, it's one-directional for
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men, or excuse me, women want these things in men.
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Men typically don't want these things in women.
05:03:51.840
Men, if this is the case, if even just on one of these, and I listed like 10, 15 different
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ones, even just the men should pay for first dates, if that's the only thing you raised
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your hand to, if, I don't know what the percentage is, let's say it's 50% of women,
05:04:07.640
I think it's more, maybe, who knows, whatever, 50% of women want men to pay for the first
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This is a sociological thing that creates a pressure on men that doesn't exist in the
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Men would thus be more motivated to make money because there's no, there's no burden
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on women to be providers or pay on first dates.
05:04:34.800
If, if men are then more, there's more of a reason, there's more motivation to achieve,
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to become high status, to make money, to make a lot of money so that women find you more
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This is going to create a dynamic where men are more motivated, where men are more invested
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Not to say that there's a complete lack thereof in women.
05:05:02.660
Obviously people want money for a variety of reasons, not just for romantic, having better
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romantic prospects, obviously you need money to survive, but there's this additional dynamic
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that happens to men that doesn't happen to women.
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Like no guy's not going to, Oh, you don't want to, you don't want to pay for me.
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Cause some women, if the guy won't pay for the whole meal, she won't date him.
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It's because of women holding men to more traditional gender roles, being the leader, being the provider,
05:05:55.840
I think that would, if the, I deny that there's a wage gap, whatever.
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If the wage gap even existed though, it would be explained away by the fact that men, women
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have these expectations on men and it's never in the reverse.
05:06:17.960
Oh, well, so when I say providing, I'm just talking financially.
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If we're talking about the wage gap, of course, it relates to finances.
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I've dated people before I made more money than them.
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So I can't relate to any of this because I've never really cared for, I mean, I don't
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want to date somebody who makes you less than me only because it's that threshold of taking
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Look, just to be clear, I'm speaking in very general terms.
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Maybe you dealt with a dude where you were the one who was taking care of the stuff.
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And then that's like, that was a big part of our fallout because I was like, I want to
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Look, women have had that shit on lock for a minute.
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But actually, Little Spoon is kind of where it's at.
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The more comfortable superior position is obviously the woman's the Big Spoon.
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Felicity, you're going to do these ones right here.
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Or actually, let me do one chat coming through.
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Unless the trans gets an actual vagager and the chroma sums are changed from time to 20.
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Would you rather cross paths with a random man?
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What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
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What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
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Oh, you're saying like in the future, whatever you're making.
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And if he can meet that with me now, then that's fine.
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But that would also be a discussion between me and my significant other and whoever that is a prospect to.
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If that's the answer that you want to give and roll for it, go for it.
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Roll back the clips from last time, if anybody can find that.
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All I'm saying is that he would have to meet mine or if not exceed that.
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I, my like last boyfriend worked at the gym side.
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Yeah, but that would be like a discussion that we would have about like, which, who's, like
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You know, and be like, I expect him to be making the money.
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If I am successful in my ambitions, I'll be making hopefully a lot.
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Yeah, cosmetology, like extensions, braiding, dreadlocks.
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That would be like my stable income, but I want to like pursue music fully.
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I already have a pretty good platform on social media, on TikTok.
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If that goes well and I actually become a singer-songwriter and I'm doing expensive extensions on people,
05:12:05.600
And as it was growing out, I was like, let me get tapings.
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I don't know because I don't know what I will be doing.
05:12:23.460
I'm going to do some sort of business, but I don't know what specifically yet, but something
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So you would like just take your maternity leave that you can then go back to work?
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So you kind of like split it with your husband?
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I appreciate you guys, I guess, giving me a kind of answer.
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I would like my husband to ideally make $200,000 or over, and I do want kids, and I want to
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go to part-time after I have kids, or stay home.
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Probably like at least $80,000, but again, I live in Oklahoma, and then my boyfriend lives
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I think like minimum wage might be like, I don't want to be wrong, but I really think
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it's under, yeah, I was about to say, I think it's $7.50, but on average, like when I work
05:13:57.100
say for dispensaries or 7-Eleven, I was making like $11.50 to $12.50.
05:14:09.120
Yeah, dispensaries are like really big, and you can get tipped pretty nice, so.
05:14:18.020
No, I actually don't, I don't smoke or anything like that, so.
05:14:22.860
Because I used to work for dispensaries, so I used to smoke, my name is actually a type
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That's your actual name name, like you were born with that?
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In my future, I get, where I need to get, hopefully I'll make about $150 to $200, and
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I'm not from there, I just moved there a year ago, but I just got a job.
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Really, really, it's maybe 40, no, not even that.
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But I don't plan on living in Chattanooga for the rest of my life, I plan on moving out
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eventually, so I know more money will have to be on the table, but as long as they match
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I guess, yeah, I think I'm pretty expensive, closer to Toronto.
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Yeah, like, I just want him to match what I'm making or more, I guess.
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I'm starting to do those stuff, but it was just mainly like food content or like, you
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I'm not making money there, but you know it's okay.
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How tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date?
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That tall in like freshman year of high school.
05:17:12.280
I mean, sometimes the short guys be getting all the looks.
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I think I'm 5'3 and I have dated someone my height before and like really tall guys.
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Like I would date someone, like if I really liked a guy, I would date someone that's like
05:18:02.600
As long as you're tall as me, I don't really care, but I would prefer a tall guy.
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I'm 5'5, and I would date someone who's like 5'9 or 5'10 and up.
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In my past, I've dated same heights or higher, taller.
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I feel like anything 5'7 and above, like with heels.
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Like, I have to be able to wear kitten heels at least.
05:19:23.180
Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
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I'd rather walk by a random bear because chances of me seeing a bear on a hike versus a man
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is really rare, and I'd rather take that sight.
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But if it's like a brown bear, they're usually pretty aggressive.
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I know, but like random, I'm saying, what if it's a brown bear?
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I'm sure if I'm just minding my business, it would go about its way.
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Is it just like your average Joe of a man, or is it some like scary man?
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Like a random guy you see walking down the street.
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But if it's like a black bear, like I like black bears.
05:20:37.420
If it's like, because the reason I'm so concerned about context,
05:20:40.520
because if it's like one in the morning, and I'm like walking down the street,
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Because the man's probably on the hike too, minding his business.
05:20:50.760
Yeah, you usually go on hikes in like the day, morning, afternoon.
05:20:55.940
But at the same time, seeing a bear would be cool.
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I mean, it would be cool to see it like in the distance.
05:21:17.200
Oh, Gracie, but didn't you play like what a black bear you're going to play?
05:21:19.540
No, it's like black bear, like get a brown bear, lay down, lay down.
05:21:36.600
Yeah, I'd rather walk past a man in the morning.
05:21:58.720
Yeah, I don't, I would never want to see a bear.
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Coyotes you can scare off, though, if you like.
05:22:23.760
I mean, where I live, I've seen coyotes walking down the street, and they just.
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They're really looking for like stray cats or like small dogs and stuff like that.
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Especially like where I, where I'm from in Oceanside, coyotes are like a real big thing,
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Would you rather date someone who's amazing in bed, but terrible at texting, or amazing
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Texting should be purely for like short information.
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I definitely want someone who's better at texting and can be terrible in bed.
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I think I agree because like I'm not even the best texter myself.
05:23:30.980
I have some of my best friends on Opened right now for like two weeks.
05:23:43.640
But like I don't want to communicate over a text either way.
05:23:51.620
Well then that's just they have a bad personality.
05:23:53.320
And I'm more so perceiving that question as like communication and just intimacy on a more
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I'm just saying I thought she said just texting.
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But wouldn't you rather like would you have like would you like choose like terrible sex
05:24:26.380
As long as they're actually smart otherwise then it's not an ick.
05:24:29.220
I don't like when they don't know how to use the two.
05:24:47.220
Would you rather your partner be rich and boring or broke and hilarious?
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He could get his money up, but he can't get his funny up.
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Good thing I'm funny because he doesn't need to be that funny.
05:25:57.260
Or what if he has a lot of money, but he's mean.
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Would you rather date someone who talks about their.
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Talks about their ex too much or someone who never talks about their past at all?
05:26:36.800
Would you rather be ghosted after three amazing dates or date someone who double texts aggressively
05:26:53.240
Would you rather be ghosted after three amazing dates or date someone who double texts aggressively
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Like double texting, like blowing up your phone.
05:27:10.800
For me, this guy I met in a grocery store, he like asked for my number and then he would
05:27:17.100
Like I, I responded to like his first five texts and then he kept calling me, blowing
05:27:21.240
up my phone, calling me from like no caller ID.
05:27:23.780
That's like the best way to never hear from me ever again.
05:27:25.760
That's like creepy stalker activity, obsessive love bombing activity.
05:27:30.500
I guess, again, I'm taking it as if it's someone that I'm interested in and like I want
05:27:40.720
Oh, I feel like you're into just like really clingy men.
05:27:45.720
I would like my boyfriend to text a lot, but not like be obsessed.
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Well, I can't like be obsessive, but like not like, just stop.
05:27:56.360
I like when my boyfriend wants like a ton of pictures or like, I like that.
05:28:00.640
But I'm also like thinking about like her question as in like, you guys have just met.
05:28:07.020
Because I've met guys that are like, you send them their number at their grocery store
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And then they automatically feel like, why isn't she texting me back?
05:28:15.600
And it's like, how do you feel entitled to this type of energy or access to me?
05:28:19.800
We just met at the grocery store like two hours ago.
05:28:30.400
But when it's a guy that you're interested in, of course that feels good to be like.
05:28:34.180
And I think because I automatically go to that defaults just because I'm in a relationship.
05:28:38.300
So that's kind of like already where my head's at.
05:28:42.380
If I was in a relationship, I would totally want like updated photos.
05:28:46.620
Like I bought him, I bought him, him these big balloons for his birthday and he like sent
05:28:54.520
But that's the difference between stranger and stalker.
05:29:02.280
Cause I've actually had a deal with that where he literally sent me a message and was like,
05:29:06.740
And I'm like, how did you even know I got a new car?
05:29:10.620
He asked me for my number at some restaurant and I was like, okay, gave it to him.
05:29:13.560
And I obviously was like, didn't like respond for like, he kept texting me for a long time
05:29:18.540
and I was like, you know, I'm not actually, whatever.
05:29:20.360
He sends me a picture of myself out to dinner with my dad and his friends.
05:29:37.220
I literally like, and it was a horrible picture too.
05:29:40.400
I was really like, I was like, you couldn't do any better either.
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Would you rather fall for someone who lives across the country or lives in your building?
05:29:59.420
But like, wouldn't you wish that he lived in your building?
05:30:02.320
I would say like, based on the beginning of our relationship, it was actually better that
05:30:07.100
we were at a distance because it made us like have a lot more value intellectually before
05:30:16.060
And honestly, because we were forced to really get to know each other before we met the first
05:30:20.200
time, like our value in each other is just a different basis.
05:30:25.060
Anytime I've ever dated someone that was in my city, it was either got toxic really fast
05:30:29.920
or their intention wasn't genuine, especially because I'm sure we all have big platforms.
05:30:34.140
So when you're well known, it's just the intention isn't always genuine.
05:30:40.360
And what was, so you all said in your building?
05:30:43.620
Well, I say no, because it's like, I'm not going to shit where I sleep.
05:30:45.880
Like, I'm not going to go fuck a guy from my gym or from my apartment complex.
05:30:50.140
And then for me to break up or something happens, then me going downstairs to the gym or the
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Yeah, but what about the family when you like him?
05:31:02.860
You want the room to like date around is what you're saying?
05:31:05.300
No, I just like, don't want to, like, I don't want to build like, like a fuck buddy
05:31:09.920
connection with somebody in my apartment complex or at my gym where like, if things go
05:31:14.140
bad and I have to show back up in that area, it's going to be like, ooh, well, fuck.
05:31:20.600
And then you're walking through the mail room and you're like, oh, fuck.
05:31:26.340
Yeah, if they start dating someone new, having to watch them, it's just, it can get messy.
05:31:30.700
And it's almost harder to heal when you see them on a constant basis.
05:31:36.640
Would you rather date someone who hates pets or someone who has three emotional support
05:31:42.620
reptiles, starting with three emotional support reptiles, because I have one.
05:31:58.700
Would you rather only go on dates that involve hiking or only go on dates that involve karaoke?
05:32:17.240
I have a bunch of TikToks who just hiking and stuff, so.
05:32:20.060
Okay, would you rather they say, I love you too soon, or take forever to say it?
05:32:34.380
Probably take forever, because the suspense builds.
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Yeah, I think it's more meaningful when they take forever.
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Would you rather date someone who's a 10, but smells weird, or a 6, but smells amazing?
05:33:27.820
For example, one time, I went on a date with a guy, and he had horrible breath.
05:33:38.060
If somebody smells bad, it's, like, a genuine, like, it doesn't matter how attractive you are,
05:33:55.060
Would you rather date someone who overshares online or someone who acts like social media
05:34:23.840
thank you appreciate it appreciate it we have a chat here from pacey george sorry i missed this
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one oh wait oh wait no we already did this one shoot shoot uh okay i'm trying to remember if
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there's anything else we had to uh go over there a couple few more notes uh i think we should
05:34:43.760
really go back to the feminist conversation no please no please no no uh we do have a couple
05:34:50.020
chats we have twenty dollars twenty dollars for megan thank you for that rachel wilson twenty
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dollars on venmo uh she writes please tell them most of what they believe about the history of
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women's oppression is false and propaganda i'm a woman and i'm against it because i'm an expert
05:35:08.580
in this area well i'm not so oh shit uneducated queen over here uh can can we get wait hold on one
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oh i see all right can we get what does that mean a thousand oh thank you i didn't even see you
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george this one's for you but don't be a greedy boy lol oh you want me to share uh yeah i can i'll do
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that share with us do you have the other one one of the yeah the other yeah yeah the that one
05:35:42.380
did you hear that pasty george the canadian girl why does pasty george call himself pasty
05:35:48.340
he felt wealthy maybe he's a pasty tree you definitely said it like that uh so guys we're
05:35:53.820
going to do a roast session but the roast so the roast session it's going to be uh we're going to
05:36:00.080
do a 69 tts for the roast session guys so if you want to get a roast in get it in 69 tts
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i don't want to get roast could you get me that purple thing there we're getting roasted uh give
05:36:12.140
me one yeah everybody's getting roasted i'm getting roasted they're going to call me fat and shit
05:36:16.480
uh everybody's going to get roasted it's going to be beautiful it's going to be the best roast
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the best roast why why didn't you like the maga hat though can you are you down to wear the maga hat
05:36:26.420
just saying you want to wear it honestly like you should do it would really bring out the color of
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your eyes right give it to me oh she's gonna is she gonna put it on go ahead felicity grab it for her
05:36:34.900
i'm gonna get clipped and it's gonna be hilarious because everyone who knows me knows that i'm like
05:36:38.780
a little bit of an annoying anti oh shit wow look at this white supremacist my dad oh my god hey dad
05:36:47.520
do you love me look at this fascist sitting here at the table oh my goodness does anyone else want to
05:36:54.180
try it on i'm good you're clipped there's some like there's some like does it smell good yeah
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mostly felicity wears it oh my god that's like impression that is not true all right take it
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back if you can good prop all right 69 tts guys if you want to get a little roast in here
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excuse the chair a little bit yeah let me just do a couple adjustments yeah yeah yeah
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boom 69 i just don't want to be like do you guys want to refill on your champagne yes yes yes
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lexi where is where is that where is that lexi person uh pass him back down i'll pour for you
05:37:34.020
guys thank you pasty george no i have i she needs oh did one of the cups get tossed she also i think
05:37:42.680
she needs a new cup yes okay easy peasy all right while i'm hopefully not gonna i need to be safe here
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desert judge donated 69 dollars and 69 cents the whatever podcast discord council consulted with
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representatives from the great state of arizona based thor and desert jorge for the record they
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disavow lexi share one as one of their own from as as arizona they're disavowing you
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huh i think they disowned her they don't i'm popping your eye what be careful here let me just
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turn it towards is it cinna or cena cena that'd be bad uh let's see here oh boy i'm scared you know i'm
05:38:43.780
scared trauma you're scared i'm scared boys wait normally i do it with the other hand fuck hold on
05:38:50.640
can you do another direction wait no i do do it with this hand no pressure
05:39:09.400
easy easy i thought it was gonna flop all right thank you pasty george we're gonna get these poured
05:39:16.060
uh getting onto a dating conversation though i'm trying to think what there's a couple what what
05:39:23.240
the fuck shut up bro oh i'm double what the hell ridiculous uh ridiculous i also don't remember which
05:39:32.020
cup was mine already so maybe oh shit wait we're popping the bottle we're there's only one right
05:39:39.420
yeah i was the only one who's okay so pass that one down to her wait are we taking the champagne
05:39:44.400
for the last tts that just came in or was that no somebody did the champagne a thousand dollars oh
05:39:50.120
yeah okay so this one is a little more that one's yours pass it down and then this one is for you
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there thank you appreciate it all right let's do cheers if you guys want to hold up your water uh
05:40:06.060
cheers cheers to pasty george thank you pasty george salut uh to uh amnesty international or some shit
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i don't know merci all right we have hanlon's razor here thank you man 69 tts
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underscore 224 donated 69 dollars ever seen the zodiac movie it's about the serial killer
05:40:34.280
he shows up in military garb with a gun to a couple having a picnic you know what the couple probably
05:40:40.220
thought man i wish that was a bear wow hey nick did we get any super chats or no
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uh okay we have a bunch coming in we're gonna let these come through
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hold on guys how many people are watching this right now 4 000 about hey hey guys
05:41:09.540
what's up guys wait what did what just happened 4 000 people are watching right now right now
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that's like sing 4 000 sing sing there's probably record executives in the chat follow my tiktok
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oh my god no no no bella's vocals sing why are you cutting that out yeah i'm like
05:41:31.840
bro you gotta if you're gonna deny us you're gonna wait i don't want to deny you i just don't want to
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sing acapella i got you denied you denied what if we just like dropped a b anyways we don't want it
05:41:42.700
never mind we don't want to hear that shit oh now you're offended now you're offended i say sing
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that's funny reverse psychology you never know who's watching manipulated boom you just got
05:41:56.160
manipulated at bella's vocals boom bella brown on spotify manipulated okay dm me oh my goodness
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all right guys so tts should all everything should be good here 69 tts if you want to get it in we have
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some coming through and by some i mean one wait can i ask what we're live on youtube and twitch
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rachel wilson donated 69 button one gives all women a life of luxury but no children and humanity dies
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out button two gives women an average life but no luxury they all have children and humanity lives
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okay i have some roasts coming in i forgot to pull some of these up please don't hate me
05:42:49.700
some of these came in a while ago i apologize they're reads i apologize inquisitor zeal donated
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one hundred dollars chair two i have enough strength to unalive oh shit why was it was it bad
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that was that he told me that he could talk down to me because he could easily kill me with one hand
05:43:16.940
a gross man a gross man now you have to send in a simp
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message um make up for your your threat don't worry don't be a gross boy
05:43:31.860
they like christopher donated one hundred dollars six seven is most attractive soft-spoken
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dressed modestly easygoing smile enough to hold on to you're able to admit when she's wrong
05:43:45.800
and humble too bad for me is there a simp tax since she's not into men
05:43:51.500
uh yes christopher there actually there's not there's probably a double time yo christopher
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this came in a while back it got lost in the sauce i apologize i don't know if you're even still
05:44:04.080
watching uh thank you for the message christopher if you want to send in a 10 i'll just treat it as
05:44:08.680
a tts just to make up for the delay same for josh brooks here sorry josh brooks donated one hundred
05:44:14.620
usually pretty good with these my bad here's a different perspective of a question for the panel
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what is the kindest nicest sweetest thing you have ever done for any partner you've had
05:44:35.400
yeah in that order sweetest nicest thing you've done for a partner
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i took sorry go ahead go ahead bella i was just gonna say i feel like i thought we were going
05:44:50.020
down oh yeah nobody's speaking so go for it yeah go ahead i was just gonna say like i i don't know
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if i can think of a specific thing i feel like that's like all i've done in relationships
05:45:01.760
what was the question girls i date fold my laundry i feel like that's very nice and gentlemanly
05:45:08.920
behavior it's like um it's like uh what's it called acts of service yes like a love language like when i
05:45:17.740
really like someone like yeah i'll pick up your room for you like i'll do these like small things to
05:45:23.780
like make yourself make your life more convenient i'll take care of you when you're like
05:45:27.280
disgustingly sick like vomiting and like yeah like sweet i hope a girl does that for me but i don't
05:45:32.860
think i would do it in reverse really yeah she just needs to i'll send her some doordash or some
05:45:38.080
shit but well i got a show to run that thousand dollars from pasty like
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you know i think the sweetest thing i've done for guys actually get him a job donated 69 dollars
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i'm fried count is pie because she is cooked thank you man fried pie $69 tts dreamlabs.com
05:45:55.480
whatever uh i i have a video of my ex-girlfriend that we can play here um i know you're gonna pull
05:46:02.040
up she usually you're a fan of the show she watches i'm not a fan i just watched oh okay well i didn't
05:46:06.780
mean like that i just i watched every single video like last night to prepare myself for this
05:46:11.680
based thor donated $69 brian you need to have a limit on how many young dumb and full of bunnies
05:46:19.240
women you can have on the panel i legit got ear cancer and lost brain cells listening to chair one
05:46:25.040
through five prattle tonight oh no it was good different perspective you know i hope you get
05:46:30.920
well soon oh that was funny maybe we'll send doordash to this one yeah yo based thor thank you
05:46:40.900
for the tts i appreciate it all right oh christopher oh christopher being thank you man for understanding
05:46:47.380
sorry for the delay on that uh yo w's in chat for christopher being a good sport i there was a bit
05:46:52.140
of delay on getting his chat pulled up so thank you man shout out christopher uh oh i'm sorry i'm
05:46:59.980
literally just like leaning that's okay i just like watching pasty george donated $70 lmfao
05:47:07.000
word thank you pasty george thank you pasty george it really doesn't it's been made clear um
05:47:17.720
i guess oh uh we'll we'll go into this after the video go ahead and uh actually wait we gotta
05:47:24.720
wait for pasty i want his lmfao to cover up my okay go ahead
05:47:28.980
all right this is a video i took of it was after a long podcast episode video i took my girlfriend
05:47:34.840
just i show future girls this video just to be like this is what you need to do i want to spoil
05:47:41.400
it so bad okay go ahead play it boom huge you know what somebody told me the bow wasn't deep enough
05:47:49.600
so she has to every time she greets me at the door she has to greet me at the door has to bow
05:47:54.060
it has to get to my laundry is this really you have such a liar yes have my dinner prepared she
05:48:00.760
has to have my dinner prepared uh cracks open my beer yep well done uh i actually dumped her about
05:48:08.540
a day after this video i was a little disappointed in her but um do you study professional rage
05:48:13.960
she didn't mix those noodles rage baiting what are you what are you talking about
05:48:18.500
i was just thinking about the bow again really quick just to show the girls what what is expected
05:48:24.440
boom huge fucking bow giant bow this is my expectation for a girlfriend your first date laundry
05:48:32.060
and the bow on the first thank you cena i appreciate your support for me i wait i have a random
05:48:40.720
question go ahead how old are you i've been trying to figure i am a vampire no i'm 36
05:48:45.780
yeah you're 36 i know ancient right shit's crazy i'm 36 yeah do i look younger or older no
05:48:54.160
oh wow they're really they're like okay let me did let me put in your younger i'm really okay
05:49:00.020
yeah let me know i'll say like 34 i thought you were older thank you oh wow i lied when i said
05:49:07.500
it's okay i thought you were older too bill thank you is that a compliment you got to think about
05:49:13.360
you said it's okay i thought i just hate it when people tell me people tell me all the time i look
05:49:17.900
like 16 year old so if you tell me i look older like i appreciate you look 37 period
05:49:23.580
wait really you're gonna be like hell yeah remember we literally said we were gonna be
05:49:27.740
more attractive i don't look 37 word um so question related to that video would you bow
05:49:36.160
for the perfect guy babe no because i would literally be using him as a footstool i would
05:49:43.400
be coming home and he'd be bowing for me that's the only way thank you tilt your mic down please
05:49:50.580
okay what about you more more more more go ahead no not even the perfect guy
05:49:58.680
is he bowing to me too no no okay what about you is he bowing to me too nope
05:50:06.740
no i don't i don't think i would bow okay no i look he would if he's perfect based fucking solo
05:50:17.560
based solo if he's perfect then all right your friends are gonna call you after the show that
05:50:22.340
your friends are gonna call you a pick me by the way but yeah i know haters fucking haters over
05:50:26.220
here uh okay would you bow for the perfect i would more than bow what about you nope but i
05:50:33.180
would do that laundry okay what about you i would bow w fucking cena w's in the chat okay do it oh
05:50:40.440
yeah but bow to the audience into that camera you gotta come stand like wait are we there's not
05:50:46.920
gonna be like a titty slip is there okay it's pretty okay no fuck what it's safe never mind okay
05:50:52.660
fuck that shit um you wouldn't do it i would this isn't even a masculine thing to do
05:50:58.400
i would fucking bow for the to get the perfect woman i would i would fucking yeah but you just
05:51:04.620
told us the guy wouldn't bow so yeah no i think i got this out of context i don't know wait i don't
05:51:11.500
really get it i think this is oh i would not want my man to bow i guess if all i had to do is bow to
05:51:18.240
get the perfect guy that's what you mean yeah three seconds like oh yeah literally just that and
05:51:23.660
then boom perfect well you have to do it every day after every day you have to do the bow no i'm not
05:51:27.700
like to him oh no yeah no i don't know every day oh i would you get i think you guys underestimate
05:51:37.180
how how rare the perfect person is there's no but also in my brain i'm thinking like for at least
05:51:43.940
you could think about it like this okay perfect guy for you guys trillionaire as the most attractive
05:51:50.260
guy you could ever think of treats you perfectly etc etc etc like most of y'all are not gonna get
05:51:57.520
the hottest guy ever you're not gonna get the guy who treats you 100 perfectly all the time in all
05:52:02.080
the ways that you wish to be treated people make compromises in relationships but to get the perfect
05:52:08.660
guy by the way perfect doesn't really exist but under this hypothetical it does
05:52:12.400
i have shit i would do a lot for the perfect woman i would kneel huh you would kneel say it into
05:52:20.840
the mic say it with your chest or well i would do a lot for the perfect woman too for sure yeah but
05:52:26.740
it's a woman i have given well yeah but i mean even if i even when i was when i dated men i did a lot
05:52:32.900
for them too what about what about something more you know some people say well culturally this is kind
05:52:37.840
of weird because you know in the u.s western countries you don't bow even though i think it's
05:52:42.980
totally super arbitrary you instantly manifest your perfect guy if you do the bow um let's see we got
05:52:52.560
more pizza by the way we got more pizza if you guys we'll have to wait until later to do it just
05:52:58.220
but uh we can okay when does this end soon relax okay soon just patience patience we got school in
05:53:04.720
the morning i have roommates to be patience okay so yeah would you guys in order to get the perfect
05:53:12.580
guy would you like fold his laundry yes on the first date first night i mean how do i know he's
05:53:19.380
perfect if it's a first date though you know the universe hypothetically hypothetically yeah he
05:53:26.820
coalesces out of the ether yeah why are we at his house on the first kindness of my heart or did he
05:53:32.000
invite me over to do you're asking why you're on yes at the guy's house on the first day unless you
05:53:36.620
pay me to do your laundry boy oh i thought you were gonna say pay you to do something else um okay
05:53:41.460
oh wait yeah wait go to his house to do his laundry yes as the first day did he specifically request
05:53:49.500
you're overthinking the laundry yes overthinking the laundry thing i guess um i just i can't see myself
05:53:55.460
doing a man's laundry at his house first question what do you guys feel about this what do you guys
05:53:59.800
think about a man saying women should do x so women should cook and clean i think he against are you
05:54:09.800
you object to it or you're okay i object because i feel like if i cook then you should clean
05:54:13.820
nah she does everything no anyways do you object
05:54:18.140
i want to cook can you strain just strain your mic a little bit straighten your mic yeah sorry it's all
05:54:24.200
good um i believe in you thanks um i think they can say that we should whatever that doesn't mean i'm
05:54:34.000
gonna do it i don't know if you say i agree with you i think if i cook you clean okay or if what about
05:54:43.320
women should make me a sandwich no i don't like that because i wouldn't say men should provide for the
05:54:51.820
whole family like i wouldn't say that okay what do you think about the should thing is it okay to
05:54:56.880
say women should do x i mean like i've always like i've said this entire time people can have their
05:55:02.220
preferences okay skipping but no wait it is like me saying men should take out the trash or men should
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go to war and die for a country they should you know what i mean like it goes both ways with like
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the traditional stuff i don't think that women should do anything i don't think that's a way better deal
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there by the way but okay i are you right yeah but um war i don't think that i don't think that
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anyone should do anything like in a general way when i said you know should men do x y like i had
05:55:33.080
that huge list didn't you say men should pay for dates i didn't say that i said that i don't i mean
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like i would like it but i'm not gonna judge a guy is it okay to say women should do x
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to you oh she did she answered yeah oh you got this solo i don't care men say women should be
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submissive i don't care what you say women should cook and clean women should stay at home i can just
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not agree with you yeah that's fine yeah i don't really give a fuck what you say i might not agree
05:56:08.360
you should talk to somebody that would care about that because she's demonstrating that she would
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not care okay cool yeah sorry i'm to say should yeah i'm okay with it not not okay to say should
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cena into the mic guys into the mics it doesn't really matter okay i just find it interesting
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that thank you i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you rage bait incoming no rage no it's actually no
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rage can we get a sound effect for the rage bait incoming yeah sure i got a sound effect yeah i
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got a sound effect for you guys shut the fuck up anyways like i was saying like i was about to say
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oh wait hold on oh do you have a bitch one anyways i knew it i knew this was you're welcome thank you
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you're welcome so anyways so anyways cool i think in society there's no issue when women say men should
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do this men should pay for first day hurry back on the feminism it's not feminism it is you are just
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one no you are right quiet lady oh oh my god i can kill you with one arm i can talk down to you
05:57:16.940
that's you that's you right now i didn't say anything about killing you um feeling some you did get a
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death threat today i did get a dread threat today dread threat so anyway there's no issues when women
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say men should do this men should do that even women who say men should do xyz when it comes to
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your guys's portion of that you always tend to object to women should my question is
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what duties do women have it depends on the relationship i agree but if the typical duties
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one directionally for men to women provide and protect that's an expectation it's a duty
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what duties do women have nurture nurture care loyalty respect but all these things go both ways
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women are by the way what do you guys tell me an example not nurturing no hold on tell me a way in
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which women nurture that like a man can't do a childbirth yes okay well hold on so women should
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have children i i believe so yeah that's a strong belief about it i disagree i can be the odd one out
05:58:30.200
i disagree i disagree i mean like yeah women like like we're the only ones that can have children but
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like who the fuck is anyone to tell me to do so i actually had it have intentions on being a
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that is called a surrogate like have a baby for someone who can't a surrogate yeah i just said
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yeah but like that's just an idea for me i just like i mean again i'm freshly an adult don't want
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kids that could easily change in like two three four five years time but i think sorry sorry sorry
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he's gonna make us take off over and we have a segment called uh take your makeup off go ahead
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did i barely have any odd i'm not wearing any makeup i don't wear makeup can i have a mirror
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you have the camera you have i'm like getting ready for bed before i can yay i don't have to
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i just ask we have chats coming through so be quiet while we let these come through
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wait i need a nap for you i'm traveling around canada this year but next year i will visit some
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countries from the passport brothers site to find the traditional woman i'm gonna get so red
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feminist influence she will vow for me oh my god guys well put pasty george this isn't even like
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moist i know let's try a different one some of them might it's completely dry try try that one
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that one looks a bit more juicy okay go quick cina quick quick quick go go go run run run
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george donated seventy dollars fake chest hello l yeah that was about you or while i guess it could
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also be about i can't like she has they smell weird am i gonna break out because no 100 why does it burn
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my skin has been really good try the other time other kind that's the honest brand those are the
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good ones can i have a mirror i like candles use here just use the screen oh hell no you like zoom in
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we don't claim chair one along with desert judge yeah say that to everybody in scottsdale
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phoenix arizona stop stop 304 infected hands little miss lexi with two x's dot com
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arizona that's great i know thank you hell yeah all right quiet quiet quiet guys stop stop when i was
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younger one of my girlfriends did my dishes after the first date when she came over to talk and enjoy
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some wine we were together for a few years until she cheated on me lol
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pasty george thank you very much for the message good sir i i appreciate that we have pasty george
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again oh oh a little roast here get them in roast guys we're quiet women speak only when spoken to
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pasty george it's okay all right now what we're gonna do hold up the makeup lights spread them
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show the makeup wipes spread the makeup she did not that is i don't wear makeup i never wear makeup
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oh yeah i didn't wear makeup take your lashes off then hold it i'll do that hold it
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nice there it is makeup segment completed well done let's see that just took some time off my hands
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later tonight see we are looking out for you guys we're very you're so pro woman who yeah she i thought
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she said you weren't really wearing makeup looks like really good too i don't think he had really
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wearing makeup oh here we have makeup she's back none of y'all need makeup wait no i look he didn't
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have concealer under my eyes you don't need it don't wear it your natural beauty is beautiful you don't
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need makeup i would not i mean if it makes you feel good that's awesome but i just like doing it's
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kind of fun personal you do not need it but getting ready with my friends yeah some music
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fake chest hello l again all right good time general thing brian can i can i say something
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real quick though about makeup uh sure so i went on a date with this guy he was pretty successful he
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was in the military made good money took me out on dates and stuff he was like you know what i want
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to date a woman that wears makeup can you do that for me i said fuck no bye oh i mean i didn't i didn't
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feed into that i was like you want to date a woman that wears makeup and because i don't it freaks you
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out that doesn't make any sense but yeah i just thought i would bring that up that's weird kind
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of what duties what duties though do women have i don't know what do do women have duties work what
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should women do i don't know women work oh here we go rapid fire segment what this is just like
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the fun question portion what years were world war one starting with you oh yeah i'm gonna fail
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uh i don't know i don't know uh decade just tell me the decade i hope no one's watching
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i am not sure great love it 1910s and 1930s was world war one and then world war two okay what about
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or no 19 just world war one just world war one whatever she just said well say it anyways i already
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forgot what decade no hables english lo siento 1910 1910 1910 i failed my history class
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it's great okay uh i already said it 1910s okay i'm just gonna say 1910s too because i don't know
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i'll be honest 1916 and 1918 okay go ahead 1910 1910 all right it was 1914 1918 what years were world
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war ii i am not sure okay just guess guess decade okay go ahead early 30s early 30s okay late 20s
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late 20s early 30s okay late 20s early 30s all right i'm saying uh late 30s early 40s okay
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70s 70s 70s world war two okay 1939 to 1945 1930 1930 1930 just 30 1930 okay all right uh has
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cool it was oh 1939 1945 yeah has anyone here ever had a hoe phase
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like do you like what like sleeping around or like just like kissing a bunch of people a hoe phase
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whatever that means to you i've had a hoe but what does that mean to you it means you were a hoe
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for show no what is a hoe oh my god a hoe for show do you have to do more than like when i was like 14
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i kissed a bunch of people damn it's probably warm now that actually that's not poison fucking scene
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in here while she's in california uh has anyone here ever hooked up with two guys
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in a 24-hour period hooked as in sex just hooked up so like make out and beyond sure let's just start
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with sex okay no okay all right is it a deal breaker if a guy uses the word retarded no
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anybody not anymore deal breaker are you retarded no i mean i feel if you're like if i'm with a guy
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and he's using it towards someone who's genuinely disabled like yeah that's fucking yeah well that's
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just me i know what you'll say it's like mean energy is it a deal breaker if a guy is conservative
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no no you date a trump supporter yeah she did wear the by the way she did wear the fashion i loved
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you to you trump supporters i love you i'm just not one of you yeah okay would you date a uh
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conservative or trump supporter if he was like like fucking crazy about it i'd be like
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if that's his views he keeps it to himself like whatever he's not like insanely political but he is
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a conservative he didn't vote i just want to mention one more time that i am not politically
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educated at all so i was gonna say probably wait did any of you vote in the election no or maybe you
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weren't 18 he wasn't 18 yet uh would you date a trump supporter slash conservative yeah all right we
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got some okay he's my boyfriend is conservative and trump supporter okay conservative yes a trump supporter
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probably not second oh question i know you guys are you know in school you want to have a career
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one day all of you right if you met a guy who he was a high earner say he made a million dollars a year
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oh and he said hey look um we've been dating for a year two years whatever um i don't want you to work
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and he's going to take care of everything but you have to stop doing your work
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will you stop for him but he if you don't it's going to be a major problem the relationship the
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relationship's over i'm not working no more what i would do for my two work things that i have
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playing the music and the hair thing that those are like hobbies so i would have to stop what i love
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doing but should be like can i still like make music and do people's hair you can serenade him
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privately okay i think so yeah but you can't pursue it as a career but what if he leaves you
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then you're absolutely fucked no i wouldn't do it i wouldn't do it financial independence i would not
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do it important if my if a guy came to me and told me to end my career for him he's obviously got
06:08:22.360
issues no i have way too much drive okay wait question really quick on the bow thing would any of you
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if you if you were paid for like you were greeter at a walmart or something and for some reason they
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wanted you to bow to the customers would you do it for five hundred thousand absolutely yeah
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absolutely totally but question question would you would you then would you bow for a guy who makes
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ten million dollars a year and he takes care of everything no oh my goodness no i don't really like
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what the math isn't mathing i guess i'm tired and i'm hungry i think it's more wait for the pizza's
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coming i can't talk i think it's a submissive problem i think that women just don't want to
06:09:08.340
be like submissive to a man i agree this is how i feel right now that's how bella feels um i miss my
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casa where's felicity felicity get back here rude oh my god uh wait hold on you're glad you're glad
06:09:25.320
oh okay um pillow well i guess my confusion is you would you would do the same exact thing for a
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an employer but you wouldn't because the money's for me but if you're married but if you're married
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money is not my money but if you're married but if you're married it legally is you can ask for
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allowance and the difference is 10 okay so you make what did i say a million a year or something
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500 000 oh 500 000 bow every day by the guy who makes 10 million but is it like i bow to him
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every time i see him like i wake up and i bow once a day once a day all right fuck it i'll bow
06:10:00.080
w bella is he like a good guy or is it just for the money no it's it's a good guy so i like i'm in
06:10:07.440
love with this man and he's rich as fuck he wants me to bow once yeah just all you have to do is bow
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you get i'd do that yeah there you go oh my god beautiful i love how you like twist the circumstance
06:10:16.180
again and again until we agree yeah i know i love it too right it's like yeah keep making it better
06:10:21.280
for me manipulated yeah gas lit okay um please can we have pizza or go to wait i'm hungry i'm almost
06:10:28.580
there i'm a starving this is a good one this is a good one dinner have you had more sober sex or
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drunk sex sober fucking alcoholic over sober sober sober sober sober okay cool um let's see here
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uh oh question would you take a man's last name yes like get married when you get married it depends
06:10:56.140
on the last name like i have a really cool last name and i really like it i like how let's say his last
06:11:01.560
name is and then you skipped me mediocre you take too long to answer your fault you didn't give me a
06:11:07.180
chance she answered for me that would be tricky for me because like all my music is no it's good
06:11:11.720
okay sure sorry i keep just talking it's okay go ahead um that would be tricky for me because like
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again with the music thing like it's under my name bella brown bb like that's what i called huh
06:11:24.280
yeah i guess like legally i take a man's last name guys final call on the tts because we're
06:11:31.500
getting this wrapped up soon so final call 69 tts you have like five six minutes if you want to get
06:11:37.280
it in because we're wrapping if kim did it you can do it huh kim kardashian she's huge and she changed
06:11:43.500
she hyphenated her last name true really she changed it was kardashian west when she married kanye
06:11:49.120
word i would i would definitely do it yeah it's just you know that's just crazy son that's just
06:11:59.180
crazy it's weird though you want a guy to pay for the first date but you won't change your last name
06:12:05.180
i said i would legally oh okay that's cool like if i get married to him i didn't know that was optional
06:12:10.320
sweet like for a 25 30 meal is different than legally this is a good one perfect man for life
06:12:18.000
or perfect career for life career career man man man career perfect career i would be i'd be bawling
06:12:28.240
oh my career just like damn wait sorry who just to show fans who picked career
06:12:33.360
perfect career perfect career perfect career okay all right you know hey you know i've got different
06:12:40.540
uh motivations let's see i think i have two more we'll let the last chats come in then we're going to
06:12:47.560
get this wrapped up oh should we do the measuring tape segment felicity i think so
06:12:54.060
oh no what's the measuring tape section here's what we're gonna do are we guessing how long six
06:13:00.100
inches is hey kaya we're we're almost done if you can just uh come back we're gonna get this wrapped
06:13:06.460
up here so felicity you're gonna go around the table you're gonna stand next to them you're gonna
06:13:10.020
be like show me the average what you think the uh average well the average is literally 3.5 wait should
06:13:16.640
we should we say should it be the average or should it be what they want what both like i think
06:13:24.040
it's like three or four let's do both fuck it both let's do both final final thing here
06:13:28.180
i might kill myself that would save that one guy from i know right inquisitor zeal
06:13:37.800
what are the questions oh so felicity stand in between all right so uh what do you think the
06:13:44.420
average size is and then tell us what the size you want is measure with your fingers and then felicity's
06:13:50.600
going to measure it the average is like three four here do it like this do it like this just
06:13:54.960
physically do this i say three four inches no like with your hands with your hands just do this
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here turn it can you orient it so just say what it is five okay four that was four all right next
06:14:12.720
somebody recommended we do this what was the other question oh what's the ideal that you want
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what do you want uh eight seven why am i showing with fingers if we have a ruler because i'm
06:14:29.240
supposed to bro just fucking do it oh my god trying to get these people out of here seven god damn just
06:14:35.340
i don't know do the thing all right move move it on move it on okay size queen
06:14:39.540
exactly five did i see you at that and what do you want
06:14:55.200
somebody in the chat was like you guys should do it
06:14:59.200
i can't yeah because yo chat chat is it cringe or no chat
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freedom of uh speech in that oh my god what's it called free will
06:15:14.580
free will i'm gonna use my free will and opt out of this one
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another game okay fine there's a few more notes from some of the people here who haven't got to
06:15:30.180
speak much we'll do that we're gonna wrap sativa you said that your past is your past you've been
06:15:35.320
redeemed through christ just because a woman is pretty doesn't mean she's promiscuous when you say
06:15:39.680
your past is your past like how did you used to move when it came to dating um definitely more like
06:15:45.440
i don't like this term but more like man eater like how you could benefit me and i also really fed off
06:15:51.840
like what how i could entice men and stuff like that like i like to make men less i really
06:15:57.460
enjoy doing that and i found a lot of power in that um and it's just essentially i'm not that person
06:16:04.440
anymore at all any shape or form um i'm actually i totally flipped the script i'm definitely way on
06:16:11.720
more of the modest and conservative side now and um i'm just i'm not that person so trying to relate
06:16:18.400
me to that or bring me back to that it's just essentially it's just not going to work it's just
06:16:22.620
not valid anymore i saw on your instagram also you said you were trying to be the moon
06:16:26.380
oh did you what does that mean what does that mean um so that's kind of like a viral thing that's
06:16:34.420
going on where girls are kind of showing how they looked before they found their faith and kind
06:16:38.800
of like how they've transformed through christ and i used to have like 20 piercings in my face and i
06:16:44.240
used to be extremely explicit and show off my tongue and that was my identity and essentially
06:16:53.400
all right uh and then we have kayla here final things for you you said you were a teenager you
06:17:00.980
dated two people who were 10 years old how old were you dated two people no no how old were you when
06:17:05.860
you were dating that these oh i'm sorry uh 15 16 that's a crime well for them yikes okay uh you said
06:17:15.180
that uh hold on you had most of your sexual partners before you were the age of 20 yes i'm ashamed of
06:17:23.420
that very good times good times it wouldn't even call it good you're a feminist leftist but we already
06:17:28.380
talked about some of that uh why is the thing okay that's pretty much it uh any final thoughts from
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any of the panelists before i wrap this up speak now forever hold your peace wait what oh my god
06:17:39.740
fucking tiktok brain bro these gen z oh my god are you guys gen z or gen mommy i'm tired my final
06:17:48.220
thoughts this is why the wage gap exists because men were just fucking trucking venmo me oh my god
06:18:03.020
ernie david it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay
06:18:12.540
it's okay bella hasty george donated $70 to the panelists is it a red flag if a guy makes fun of a
06:18:19.540
disabled person and then slaps them on the head but he then gives the disabled person 100k for his
06:18:27.400
troubles pacey george i hope you don't get hit by a car on your way home fuck whoa i don't know
06:18:34.820
that's a red flag i feel like i would come up with that is the real question hey who says that good
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night everyone good night i love you all ben mommy good night george donated $70 what do all the
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female panelists think of the new laws on their fraud paternity that are slowly being passed
06:18:54.860
throughout the states oh my god pacey george good night pacey george we do not wrap it up
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this is why the wage gap exists gentlemen this is why the wage gap oh my god let me go home
06:19:06.680
bear me uh all right so we're gonna get this wrapped yes all right guys i'd like to end the
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show by seeing if we can't use this yeah fuck it whatever oh call to action really quick will you
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and will you consider stopping sex work tonight on the show for what dun dun dun your soul that
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for my soul your soul not a dollar but if anyone i'll give you a two dollar belt would like to take
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me off the market that's up for options good talk okay i want to say gg i will play gg well
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played last call hit the like button please on your way out we'll get to that thanks all for
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watching hold on hold on hold on hold on let me do my outro god damn guys leave a nice comment
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i can i can make it go longer just be quiet let me do the fucking outro lady god damn here let me
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play a couple things hold on uh this the fuck up uh i have this okay shut the fuck up i got this
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you know what that was really rude of me i want i'd like to take this chance to apologize
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we have to go nobody just get up and go bro i'm literally stop talking all right our roommates are
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here and we have to go you got you said it was an end at 11 and it's 11 19 chat should we just should
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we just should we just or i'm getting up and going just wait do the outro yeah do a rage quick go
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ahead you can just leave just leave go ahead just leave go ahead i don't know stay oh my god just go
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just go what oh my god you guys are feral chill out god damn i'm trying to wrap up you said that
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five minutes ago conversation whatever holy shit i know some things sometimes things go longer
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it's okay it's this is why the wage gap exists you know what there is a chat that just came through
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oh my god i can't control it i'm sorry i can't base thought donated oh my god never i you couldn't
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silence me even if you could let it come through you can't you 300 and you can't sorry brian
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strip club and throw fake money go ahead find me in scottsdale arizona phoenix don't want to claim
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you 304 az gang based thor god damn yes and now bro prolonged our session thank you so much for
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