She Dates Dolphins？! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ｜ Dating Talk #177
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On this week's episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we're joined by a very special guest to talk about a fire that broke out in the middle of the night in Santa Barbara, CA, and has now spread to the surrounding area.
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Disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel.
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With that said, and without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
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And then, I also have a podcast with my best friend.
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But over time, my fans just kind of like made it into Deadbeat alone.
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Kind of like Tyler, the creator, when he says, boo at me so my show is better.
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I'm like, yeah, call me Deadbeat because I'm just going to get better over time.
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So, Deadbeat because I'm still a little confused on.
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Did you pick the name or did somebody assign the name to you?
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Like, my fans, over time, they just started referring to me as Deadbeat.
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Yeah, because I didn't have my full name on my TikTok or Instagram for many years.
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So, now, it's just like, that's just what they know me by.
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But I have been Sage longer than I have been Deadbeat, so.
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I am 24 years old and I'm a sculptor from New Jersey.
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It's hard to describe them in full detail right now.
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I am Amanda's sister and I am a jiu-jitsu administrator slash coach.
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I also work in a restaurant and I'm from Jersey, obviously.
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By the way, if there's room, I know it's a bit tight at the table, you might be able
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to scoot your chair into the table a little bit so you're not as far from the mic, but
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Have you ever been walking alone in the park and been attacked and broken the guy's legs?
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My name is Dove Jones and also known as Dolphin Girl and I'm an animal activist.
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I do dolphin research in the cognitive sciences of dolphin communication.
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I also talk to other animals, including the human animal.
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I am an author and my age is 50-something or whatever.
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I just, because I've lived all over the world doing dolphin research, I just say I'm from
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You said your study or like it's a field of study.
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Yeah, the cognitive sciences of dolphin communication is like telepathic, holographic.
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So you're not studying the communication between dolphins.
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Like if I say dolphin, does anyone have a picture of a dolphin in your head?
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And what we do on our phones, dolphins and whales have been doing for 50 million years.
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Well, the orca, which is the biggest dolphin, they have different cultures and they have different dialects.
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And they also have different diets depending on where the orcas live all over the planet.
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Like when we think of someone that we really like, we're visualizing that person, a guy or a girl, and then all of a sudden the phone rings, right?
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So dolphins and whales are kind of the kings and queens of conscious communication.
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But like if I were to speak English, they wouldn't understand.
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So say when before you, our imagination makes up pictures, right?
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And then we're thinking about things all the time.
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So we have pictures in our heads and then words come out sometimes afterwards.
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Like all day we're thinking thoughts and imagining things.
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And so can dogs and so can horses and so can cats.
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That's why if your dog and cat expect you when you come home, because you already sent that picture of you coming home.
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Would you say that's more body language and timing, though?
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Well, how the dog and cat know you're coming home if you're not there, right?
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And then I also had a female dolphin in the wild in Hawaii come up and show me that she was giving birth, which was super cool.
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But you have not had, because I've heard stories, I'm not making this shit up.
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Well, we were just talking about that earlier with John C. Lilly.
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There's a lady currently on the panel who is dating a tree.
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There was a lady on the panel who was dating a tree.
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There's just a tree down the street from my house.
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No, it's next to a hospital, so I don't think I would be able to.
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I have never been in a relationship with a dolphin or a tree.
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I have noticed some pretty trees, though, down my block, so I will say that.
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So my socials are Elissa Cheeseman, which is my name.
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My only fan's name is Hey, It's Cheese, and I recently graduated with my bachelor's in fashion
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I'm a medical assistant, and I'm currently in nursing school.
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I started out at UCSB during the pandemic, but then went back home for a little bit and
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then moved back out and applied to nursing schools.
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Is that through the city college, Santa Barbara City College?
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But you're just taking, like, online classes for that or?
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I got a bachelor's degree in management from Texas A&M University, and the emphasis was entrepreneurship.
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We did a soft launch online, bluecrewworld.com, and it's a line of healthy masculinity 12-inch
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dolls for boys that have blue-collar profession trades and crew packs that go with them.
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I just turned 54 last week, and I'm from Texas.
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So, I have a new company that I'm interviewing different manufacturing firms right now, and
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it's a line of 12-inch dolls that are healthy masculinity, athletic, physique.
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And they have different blue-collar trade profession career packs that go with them.
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Well, the plumber, we haven't come out with that pack yet, Andrew, but it would have different
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accessories that come for the job of a plumber.
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For instance, we have a Border Patrol agent who has an AR-15, a drone, and binoculars, and
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Do you have one, are you going to make the 2024 edition Border Patrol agent where they
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You know, that is actually one of the reasons why we chose Border Patrol agent, because they're
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just really revving to do their actual jobs, and they're being held back.
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It's the fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube, to my knowledge.
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I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and occasionally like to tangle up in some
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I appreciate everybody coming out to the panel tonight, and I think it's going to be a lot
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So, going around the table once more, what is everybody's current relationship status?
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So, are you single, talking, state, situation, ship, friends with benefits, relationship,
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married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be.
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If you're single, how long have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've
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There's a lot of nuance and subtlety about you.
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Yeah, I've only dated, like, two guys for, like, six months each.
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It was trash, super toxic, waste of time, broke, motherfuckers.
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You know, I've got a couple friends with benefits out there.
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Wait, so, your longest relationship was six months.
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Like, my longest relationship was, like, two and a half years.
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I seem like I always get, like, tied down in a relationship, so I've actually been single
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So, your most recent relationship was six months.
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Anything that you could think of that's trash is what he did.
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Like, you can't be super trash and have no money.
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He just had a really good dick, so it was, like, you know.
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But that was about, yeah, like, probably, like, eight months ago.
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And the 2.5-year relationship, is that the one you have a child with, or?
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My baby daddy, we actually only hooked up twice and had a baby.
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But, yeah, like, we ended up, I just ended up getting drunk.
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This is when I got out of my 2.5-year relationship.
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He was, like, the first person I hooked up with.
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You guys co-parents, but you're not, like, really.
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Hopes the tree lover or dolphin talk again to give you love.
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He looked me like right in the eye and I said it was like real personal.
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I'll have to talk to you a little longer before I make that assessment.
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If I bought Brian a ghillie suit, would you date him then?
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I don't know if she, do you know what a ghillie suit is?
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Well, I'm going to have to say, I'm going to have to say no.
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I'm happily married, and my alpha husband is a sixth degree black belt in jiu-jitsu.
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I'm single, but I'm talking to someone right now.
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Well, actually, I'm trying to hook it, because he told me he only dates black girls.
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So, I'm trying to help him out, because there's not a lot of black girls in Santa Barbara.
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He's six foot seven, 280 pounds of muscle steel, and sex appeal.
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Okay, so are you actually dating somebody, though?
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Hey, Brian, real quick, I'm just curious, is your new security guard over there the Mazda
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She gave the game away with the you can't drive a stick, Brian.
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Hi, so I am 100% single, single, single, single, single, single, single, single.
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I just got out of a three and a half year relationship like four months ago.
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Prior to that, my longest relationship was about four and a half years, and that was like
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I tend to have a lot of long-term relationships.
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I've had two four-year relationships and then one three and a half year relationship.
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Like three and a half months, which is a long time for me.
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I, um, I'll play, but I will never take them serious because they're for everyone.
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I mean, for the streets, I feel like they're not going to really mess with like a square
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girl, but if they're going to be in the club like that often and they're fine and they
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got money, yeah, they're going to be with every single girl in there.
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Uh, going back to you actually really quick, I'm going to add this question.
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I mean, there's like people that, there's like, you know, honestly, I haven't even hike,
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So I'm just basically like fake celibate right now.
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You said your relationship ended six months ago.
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That was, it was as long as six months, but it ended like last year, like eight months
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I mean, there's guys that like, I'm just like busy.
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There's guys that like, I think are like cool or cute or this and that, but it's just,
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especially in LA, it's dating is so fucking trash in LA.
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It's like, everyone's busy doing a bunch of shit and you know, everyone has like a baby
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mama and three girlfriends and fucking all types of bullshit going on.
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And have you ever had a roster at any point in your life?
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I mean, it's just like a little innocent flirting, a little this and that.
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You know, it's always probably like a good couple handfuls.
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Like of people like, okay, when you say roster though, you mean like people like I'm, it's
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not like hooking up with just people that it's like things.
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So it could, it could either be, it could be a roster strictly of people you're hooking
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So I'm like a one dick at a time type of person.
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So you've never, there's never been any crossover?
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Because like once I like, once we fuck, like we're in love and we go together, you know
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And so as far as the roster goes, if we're just using that term in the sense of just
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people you're talking to, what's the biggest the roster's ever been?
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I probably lied about the couple of handfuls, but I don't know, maybe like, maybe realistically
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more like a handful of just like potential flirting, slowly dating, going, you know, that's
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How many hoes at the most ho-ish, at the most hoes have you hoed?
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How many, what's the most amount of hoes you've had?
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Not like all at the same time, because it was like during COVID and blah, blah, blah.
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I just, I've been really busy with work and I haven't had time to connect with people.
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Or at the times I've been single, I've had rosters.
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My craziest roster was with like four dudes at one time, but they all knew about each other
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and I was smashing two of them and they were all paying my bills at the same time.
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Like one bill that they could handle for their job and how much they were making.
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Like maybe one guy had like the phone bill, but the other one had rent.
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So it would just be like what they could afford.
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And I was smashing both of them, but they knew about it.
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And I tried to have a threesome so many times, but they literally hated each other for no reason.
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Wait, can I have you scoot your mic this way just a bit?
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Four guys, but only two of them you're hooking up with.
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The other two at any point in the future in the past, had you hooked up with them or they were just paying bills?
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One of them I did hook up with like years, like maybe four years prior to this.
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The other one was just genuinely my friend, but it was very like an emotional connection, talking often and spending a lot of time with each other.
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But it was just more of a respect thing to not smash for, respect for myself.
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But so, so two of them you're hooking up with, but they were all, uh, they all knew about each other.
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So they kind of all agreed to like, Hey, we're going to take on this.
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We're going to take, as long as they can just be in my life.
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But like, you mean, wouldn't you say, like, maybe that's the case, but wouldn't it be more so the case that you would just have them pay?
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Whatever they could, whatever they wanted to, whatever they wanted to.
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Like we would never hang out together as a group, but if I was with one and one would call, I'd be like, Oh, I'm with this person or I'm with this person.
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And you mentioned you tried to get a threesome.
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They ended up becoming like nemesis, like arch enemies.
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But wait, if you do a threesome with two dudes, you mean like, you'd like fuck them at the same time?
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So were the guys who weren't sleeping with you, who were paying for your stuff, were they aware that you said they all knew about each other?
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There were specific reasons why I wouldn't smash out the other two.
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But so, and were these guys you, were the other two guys from the club?
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Actually, the two guys that I wasn't smashing was, they were from the club.
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And so, but you don't categorize them as sugar daddies.
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And have you had a lot of guys throughout your life who've done that sort of thing?
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I think that people come into my life expecting that they're going to do that.
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So 36,000, that was a gift from one of the, was it one of the four guys or some other dude?
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No, this was another person that I never smashed out, that he was just like so amazing.
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What's the most total a guy's spent on you, if you had to estimate?
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That's hard because it's like in one sitting, over time.
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So if you were seeing him for a year, in total.
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But over time, I think between cash, gifts, and trips, I think maybe 150, 200.
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So total all the guys, all the gifts, all the money.
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If I had my phone, I could probably do some math.
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And over a span of like, since I started dancing.
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So I would say from the age of 22 to 30, like around there.
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But that's, but I'm saying like literally like gifts and shit, like gifts and trips
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And like, I'm talking about all and everything all together, multiple people contributing
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I'm talking about like, there's a lot of people contributing to this number.
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And you wouldn't, you're not counting in that, like the money you make from dancing,
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This is just from, what do you call the, are they called tricks?
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No, because I was in this freaking relationship for three and a half years and I just came out
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I was curious, what's the largest amount you've ever spent on a man?
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See, this is a good question because I do be blowing.
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I have to spend money on them if they're not, if they're going to spend money on me,
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So, the most I've spent on a man, I would probably say like $8,000 on luxury gifts.
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But that was the person that was really taking care of me, so I'm going to take care of him.
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And I also think that it's important to validate those men that are spending money on us, taking
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Even if you go to dinner and get them a thank you card for that, like that means more than
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And I know on the internet, everyone's like, oh, don't buy men gifts.
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If this guy's taking care of you and it's his birthday, you better show out.
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If you don't show out for his birthday or for Christmas, that's disrespectful.
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Also, for Valentine's Day, especially if he's taking care of your finances and maybe your
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nails or your hair, I would say if he's spending $100 on you, then you spend $20 on him.
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If he's spending $500 on you, maybe you spend $100 on him, right?
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You appreciate what he's doing, you know what I mean?
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My problem is I just spend too much money on them and I don't get shit back.
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I'll never spend money on somebody who hasn't spent money on me.
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What you're saying is that when they show up to-
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So you have a 10% cash back program for your tricks.
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It is my longest relationship currently, almost four years.
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And if I recall correctly, it's an age gap relationship, correct?
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Well, when we first started dating, I was 20 and he was 34.
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Maybe we'll touch on age gap stuff in a little bit, but all right.
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I don't know if you want to talk about that story.
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So we won't go into the details, but you, on the first date, you guys did DMT together.
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Was that your first time ever doing DMT or psychedelics?
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It was, so it was the first time I broke through with DMT.
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And you said that, so you guys tripped, and then something about twin flames?
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I hate the term because I feel like in our society today, it's so misconstrued and distorted
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where there's this, I wouldn't say westernized view of what that is.
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So I see it on a pure soul complex level, spirit level, we're all one consciousness level.
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A lot of people go into it with astrology and all this mainstream spiritual stuff that
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But I feel like there's a different or deeper meaning to it than what is portrayed in our
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So this is a DMT talk and she's getting all super.
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I was just wondering how that crazy that would be.
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We didn't hook up for like a very, like months.
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And then I think we asked you a question in terms of how you, I don't know if it was your
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political alignment, you said other slash neutral.
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It was more just to stay neutral in the conversation.
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So I mentioned that in there to just like throw it in.
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The example of it would just be being able to...
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But with me and him personally, yes, we've had telepathic experiences, like being able
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Well, she's talking about the connection between the two of them.
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It's never like a conscious thought to do that.
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I mean, it has been in the past, but like not now.
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I mean, I could if I wanted to in some form or another.
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So I work in the art studio downstairs because we're both artists.
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So, and he'll like be sleeping and I'll telepathically wake him up and he'll like come downstairs
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So you have this amazing gift of telepathy and you're an alarm clock, essentially.
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I feel everyone has the ability to be telepathic.
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We're all spiritual beings having human experience and that ability is not some gift.
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Have you ever had that connection with someone else?
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Basically opening up other parts of your brain that you don't use.
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You know, you being telepathic, does it stem from the drugs that you've done with like
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Do you think it tapped you into being psychedelic?
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Or you always felt like since you were younger that you had that kind of, you know?
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I started doing psychedelics when I was 16 years old.
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After my last mushroom trip, I haven't done them.
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I mean, you can micro-dose with other ones, right?
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Like talking to multiple guys at the same time, dating multiple guys at the same time?
00:43:36.660
The last time I was in a relationship was like three-ish years ago.
00:43:51.620
So in the three years you've been single, there's been any...
00:44:05.900
So in the three years you've been single, what's the longest, I guess, friends with benefits
00:44:11.680
Usually when that's a situation, it's just that one person.
00:44:34.300
So we're like trying to redo the house, renovate the house.
00:44:52.300
Like they would make jokes when we were younger that like my mom was with the mailman, but my
00:45:21.480
There's so many women that literally will like hook up with somebody else and just act
00:45:25.100
like it's their dude's fucking baby and like they'll never get a test and you
00:45:29.100
Do you know how many people out here have like that your dad is not really your dad?
00:45:35.720
The thing is, it's, I would say, here's the thing, like with genetics, right?
00:45:39.880
Like you're not going to get an exact amount, right?
00:45:44.040
So you're, you're, I know, I actually, one time I went into an Uber one time and he was
00:45:50.300
Like I have a daughter who looks just like you.
00:45:53.320
And he had, he was like first language Spanish.
00:45:56.780
And he was like, I have a daughter who looks just like you.
00:45:58.300
You know, my wife is like, his wife was like full white, but his other child would look
00:46:13.040
But it's also a real thing that it could also not be young daddy.
00:46:20.480
So as their cousin, I can verify these two are siblings.
00:46:28.260
Also, she, if you saw my, if you saw my dad and my mom, you could see the resemblances
00:46:50.480
Not in like a, you mean like a friends with benefits type thing.
00:47:01.260
Like, I can't remember the word, but like, I don't think we call it a roster.
00:47:04.920
If you mean like a, like a, like a bench system, like on the bench.
00:47:19.820
Not like, not like actively like messing physically, intimately with like multiple people.
00:47:30.740
And for the last 10 years, I've been living on an island in the middle of the Pacific, doing my dolphin research.
00:47:37.200
There's not a lot of, I guess, potential people.
00:47:59.140
I've been like, yeah, celibate for a long time.
00:48:24.100
Does somebody watching want to send her a little dolphin gift, maybe?
00:48:30.380
We're going to get you on there and get your dolphin.
00:48:31.480
It's kind of like, what was that one show with the, let's see.
00:48:40.240
And the older women that made the vibrators for the elderly community.
00:48:48.880
Wait, so longest relationship you've ever been in?
00:49:03.680
And are you doing your work through, like, an organization, or is this just your own thing?
00:49:14.860
Like Jane Goodall or Sylvia Earle or, um, but it's been independent and I've been doing it
00:49:26.920
So, I combine the arts with science because that's the only way you can figure scientific
00:49:40.740
Yeah, I mean, that's true, but the military itself, after it declassified its documentation
00:49:46.860
on its telepathic programs, said that it was bunk, that it didn't work.
00:49:52.500
CIA declassified thousands of programs on this, especially during the Cold War.
00:50:01.920
I mean, what's your actual evidence that they're lying?
00:50:04.980
Because there's a lot of evidence about how they actually did locating through...
00:50:10.280
There's lots of programs that haven't been talked about.
00:50:13.120
Like, there's a mammal program that is top secret, and I've been friends with people who
00:50:29.200
Not really, because I'm talking about it, but there's people who have worked on black
00:50:33.740
op crews and in the military, because I've lived a long time...
00:50:40.060
Dolphins have been used in warfare for a long time, and in the idea of using animals in warfare
00:50:47.180
So, there's no doubt that animals are going to be included in research in warfare.
00:50:50.580
There's just, like, there's no doubt that that's true.
00:50:52.240
Okay, so, did you see the movie Staring at Goats?
00:50:58.180
Yeah, where they were clearly making fun of these guys who had absolutely no psychic abilities
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whatsoever, but were gaslit by the military into believing that they did.
00:51:18.760
Have you ever heard of a man named the Amazing Randy?
00:51:24.620
The Amazing Randy was a magician, very, very skilled magician, and what he did was he went
00:51:34.080
Because he was such a skilled magician, he was able to see when people were making things
00:51:38.860
So, he issued the $1 million foundation, or the $1 million prize from his foundation for
00:51:44.780
anybody who could actually demonstrate any sort of psychic ability whatsoever.
00:51:48.640
Can you guess how many have been able to successfully do that?
00:51:57.600
All the applicants, has anybody ever been able to demonstrate, even a little bit, not even
00:52:03.480
with a shred of evidence that they have any type of extrasensory perception or psychic
00:52:12.660
So, there was an article written about me in 1997 with the reporter coming down to the
00:52:26.880
Well, it was when the Santa Barbara News Press was still alive.
00:52:38.980
And I forget his last name, but he came down to the beach.
00:52:50.380
And I said, it takes 10 to 15 minutes for them to appear.
00:52:54.220
And so, I put the request out, 10 to 15 minutes.
00:53:03.840
But before I spoke with him, I never used to share the telepathic talking with animals stories with anyone.
00:53:22.120
But it's like Make-A-Wish except adults that have less than two years.
00:53:26.140
So, he came up to me and said, what was your life like in Australia and New Zealand?
00:53:30.260
And I said, oh, I used to interact and swim with dolphins, wild dolphins every day, and talk with animals.
00:53:38.200
And then, so, he asked me, let's go down to the beach and see if you can do it.
00:53:45.460
Well, you can understand, though, that out of all of the possible explanations,
00:53:50.420
like perhaps you knew the time that these dolphins generally came out,
00:53:53.880
perhaps there was all sorts of other reasons why this could have occurred.
00:53:58.220
The one that we're supposed to default to is that you were sending telepathic messages into their brains,
00:54:05.180
That's, like, you can understand why people would be highly skeptical of that, right?
00:54:09.000
Well, people are just skeptical because they're afraid to believe.
00:54:13.180
I mean, overall, people just want to be skeptics because if they believed,
00:54:19.060
Well, if people believed in things without evidence, the world would be a terrible place, wouldn't it?
00:54:33.740
Well, when he went out and saw the world and brought it back to everyone else,
00:54:37.900
he was murdered because they didn't believe him.
00:54:46.640
I don't understand how that plays into your point.
00:54:50.260
Because she's talking about, I think, how you were, like, basing your lack of belief in her.
00:55:07.120
Faith is something that's, you know, we're governed by invisible energies.
00:55:11.220
If we just talk science for a moment, we're dealing with gravities.
00:55:15.260
We sit on these chairs and not floating around because we're affected by an invisible energy.
00:55:20.640
Yeah, but that's not because you have faith in gravity.
00:55:23.220
But I'm saying that's not what she's talking about.
00:55:25.080
But if you had faith in gravity or you did not have, hang on, let me ask you this.
00:55:27.060
If you had zero faith in gravity, would you still be in that chair?
00:55:48.020
You don't know until you've actually discovered something that it's actually real.
00:55:54.400
So until these circumstances happen, like me going to the zoo and asking the snow leopard, like, how are you doing?
00:56:06.780
Yeah, but you realize that there could be, there's an easy way that you could demonstrate this that comes to my head instantly.
00:56:12.780
Like, the easiest way in the world would be to go to a veterinarian's office and not have any of the animals diagnosed and ask the animal where it hurts.
00:56:22.160
And when the animal told you where it hurt, you could then tell the doctor they could run a series of tests and discover very quickly whether or not you were on point with the pain, right?
00:56:31.200
Well, it seems like it would be a very, very easy way to demonstrate this ability.
00:56:35.660
Right before they died, when they've been sick.
00:56:38.460
So talking to an animal right before they die is very interesting because they tell me things that I wouldn't know, but the parent of the animal knows.
00:56:48.860
So if a little dog holding on for dear life says, I don't like your boyfriend, and then when I say to the woman, he's not going to leave until I tell you he doesn't like your boyfriend, then she starts crying.
00:57:03.000
Then all of a sudden he shows me red Chinese pillows.
00:57:22.980
I will bring you down to the veterinarian's office and have you talk to the animals and diagnose where their pain is with whatever their deficiency is.
00:57:31.460
The veterinarian will know what the problems are, but you won't.
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It really depends on the animal, because I never impose myself on an animal.
00:57:41.920
I always ask for permission to talk, because some animals are private, just like people are, and some, most animals know what's going on with them.
00:57:50.920
Like when I talked with a cat, and their human parents thought, all the doctors told him the cat was dying, and when I went to go talk to him, he basically said, I have a really bad stomach ache.
00:58:02.560
If you stop giving me the drugs, I'll get better, but I do like the new cat food.
00:58:07.580
And then I asked him some other questions that his parents, he ended up living a couple years after that.
00:58:13.780
So I started talking to animals in Santa Barbara before I went on to different countries in the 90s.
00:58:20.580
And I did it out of necessity when humans have used all possible measures to try to find out what's going on with their animal, and then they'd say, well, we don't believe you can talk to him.
00:58:38.880
I am very skeptical of your Dr. Doolittle-like skills when it comes to talking with animals, okay?
00:58:46.300
I'm just going to be blunt and honest with you.
00:58:48.360
What could you do that could demonstrate for me somebody who has a high degree of skepticism, that's true,
00:58:56.100
but is very open-minded to the fact that there is a possibility for things like telepathy, extrasensory perception.
00:59:05.040
How would you demonstrate to me that that's real, that you can actually telepathically speak to animals?
00:59:16.980
So I'm not going to answer that specific question.
00:59:19.360
Let her answer real quick the question I asked her.
00:59:25.420
I'm actually working on submitting something that's a proposal to prove it in a movie.
00:59:34.180
So with a captive orca, I'm working on a proposal to actually go there undercover and communicate, ask her questions,
00:59:42.780
and then do investigative journalism and actually film it, showing, because most of the time I've talked to animals,
00:59:49.100
I haven't had a camera person there filming me, right?
00:59:57.440
Well, I mean, it seems that if you had been talking to animals for many, many, many years of your life,
01:00:02.560
that wanting to show people the skill and having it well documented would be something that would be a top priority, wouldn't it?
01:00:08.800
No, because for many years I was shy, and I didn't, I just thought every, I assumed everyone could talk with animals like I did.
01:00:24.480
How did you come to the assumption that other people could talk?
01:00:28.060
I mean, surely you talk to other human beings, and I mean, any time that you may have mentioned this insane skill of being able,
01:00:37.540
like, I mean, from their perspective, it would be an incredible, an insane skill that you could talk to animals.
01:00:42.380
If you just mention it to them, surely everybody you have ever spoken to about this has told you that they cannot talk to animals, right?
01:00:52.800
Like, I teach a class online, and someone who took my class last month went to the beach.
01:00:58.740
Speaking of, we can pull up your, it's your, you have a website, right?
01:01:08.540
If I, like, if I wanted to take a class so I could learn this skill, how much would I pay for that?
01:01:15.380
How much would it cost to, like, have you come with me somewhere?
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We can talk about that later, because let's talk, like, that one person said.
01:01:26.620
Tell me about my dead family member pets later.
01:01:28.340
Because everyone wants to talk about dating, and dating is, you're using all the animal skills.
01:01:34.900
We're using animal sense when we interact with humans, because we're sensing them,
01:01:40.980
we're deciding whether or not we like them, we're watching body, you know, we're doing
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So, it's kind of, I mean, that's the beautiful thing about humans.
01:01:52.160
Have you ever thought, though, at one time, like, maybe I'm just having a conversation with
01:01:57.380
I wish that this dog was saying this to me, but it's really like a fantasy in your head.
01:02:17.920
I would drag my balls through 1,000 miles of broken glass shards just to hear her fucking
01:02:46.520
Here, pull up the website really quick, then I've got to move things on.
01:02:54.480
So, it's not just dolphins you can communicate with.
01:03:11.040
So, you can, are there any animals that are precluded from talking to?
01:03:15.880
Like, some, you just can't get through to them.
01:03:17.980
There's a falcon, like, in New Zealand, two wild falcons.
01:03:20.300
No, but has there ever been an animal you, like, honey badgers, you just can't get through
01:03:24.540
She didn't get through a wall because she's, like, a crab.
01:03:28.300
Well, I haven't, to me, it's, like, always the first time.
01:03:34.660
If there was a lion or a tiger that was inclined to attack you, could you, like, stop it with
01:03:45.220
No, but, like, could you talk to it and be, like, I'm, yo, I'm a homer.
01:03:48.300
I did that with a shark when I was in the water with a shark and some dolphins.
01:03:53.220
And you told the shark, you're, like, chill the fuck out, bro.
01:03:56.400
And so, the shark just came towards me and then veered right when I said, that's close
01:04:01.260
So, now you have to ask her about the bear or the man.
01:04:12.380
Do you have, like, focusing crystals, wands, anything like that that you use?
01:04:23.400
Scientifically, we're all built with our DNA and our cells because the 70 trillion cells
01:04:29.780
that each of our cell memories have have water around them.
01:04:50.320
I see special weddings, ceremonies, blessings, funerals, healings, celebrations, and events.
01:04:56.640
So, I took that photo of that dove with my phone.
01:05:03.540
Where did you get ordained as a minister, if you don't mind me asking?
01:05:09.260
Through a website because someone wanted to get married.
01:05:14.300
I think it's pretty easy to get ordained, though.
01:05:21.900
So, you don't actually consider yourself, then, like a serious Christian, I would guess?
01:05:34.860
Well, I mean, do serious Christians allow female ministers?
01:05:43.580
To me, like St. Francis said, preach the gospel at all times.
01:05:58.540
You were saying, like, are you even, like, do they even allow, like, women to be ministers?
01:06:06.220
Like, she's not old Christian, like, following by the old books.
01:06:16.880
We should just let people be doctors because they just want to be doctors.
01:06:19.680
There should be no qualifications or criteria whatsoever.
01:06:34.220
Anyone can make a document online and say it's real.
01:06:38.760
But she also said that she was doing it to perform weddings, which I think is a very nice
01:06:48.520
I have two master's degrees from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
01:06:51.840
So I was not a theology student, but I have a marriage and family counseling and religious
01:07:08.640
I worked for over 12 years in the public school system.
01:07:12.440
So I was a public servant, if you will, and mostly with disadvantaged youth, at-risk youth.
01:07:22.320
One school I worked at, high schools, one school I worked at had over 90% of the kids
01:07:32.620
Do you think that it's okay if women are in the clergy?
01:07:37.000
Well, you know, let me just say, so one thing that I considered my time working in the school
01:07:44.520
system to be was like ministry work, because it's such a ministry working with all these
01:07:53.000
kids that have all these special needs and homeless kids and things like that.
01:07:58.520
So it was a continual social work type of position.
01:08:02.060
But to answer your question, Andrew, I feel like, you know, it just depends on the type
01:08:07.980
of denomination someone's affiliated with, some of the different denominations, Protestant
01:08:15.940
I understand that different denominations are going to have different criteria.
01:08:21.720
Do you specifically believe that it's okay for women to be clergy?
01:08:25.640
Oh, well, it depends on the role, because what the Bible says is that...
01:08:32.280
Well, that depends on the role, because what the Bible says is that they shouldn't teach
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So if they were a minister to other women, then that would be allowed based on the scriptures.
01:08:48.320
I am not a Catholic, and I don't believe in the papal system, personally.
01:09:03.080
Because the extension would still be there, whether or not you believed in their faith
01:09:07.940
You would still say that anybody who was preaching Christianity who was a woman should
01:09:12.360
not be a priest or a minister or somebody who had authority.
01:09:16.600
So just that particular job title, you know, that's what I was taking exception to.
01:09:23.100
But like I said, the scriptures are clear that they say females should be teachers to other
01:09:31.080
But in the scriptures, it says specifically not to have the woman in that type of a role, teaching
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With the authority invested in me, I now pronounce you man and wife?
01:10:00.840
You can give the authority invested in you regardless of the state and marry a person,
01:10:07.540
Would you consider two Christians who got married absent the state to not be married?
01:10:14.840
If they were married, legally married or in a spiritual entity that married them, then,
01:10:26.620
Yeah, then you're giving a woman authority over a man.
01:10:31.060
Then you are giving a woman authority over a man.
01:10:39.580
I have an issue with how you addressed her and asking her to stop.
01:10:42.400
Yeah, so we gave you pretty clear pre-show instructions for you guys not to be having
01:10:46.580
It's disrespectful to her for you guys to be talking while she's talking.
01:10:57.360
You guys were clearly in the wrong by doing a sidebar.
01:11:00.520
I had to be stern because you were already given instructions not to.
01:11:03.900
I don't need the attitude with the eye rolling, okay?
01:11:09.660
If you listen back, you'll hear on our end and on the audience's end, everything that
01:11:15.300
goes through the mics becomes garbled if multiple people are talking through them at the same
01:11:19.060
So I personally don't have any issues with her performing weddings.
01:11:25.400
She's not saying she leads a church congregation and gives sermons and things like that.
01:11:34.820
People get ordained to perform for their friend or a relative.
01:11:43.620
So then by your reasoning, you don't have any problem with a woman having authority over
01:11:53.880
I don't have any trouble with her performing a wedding service for people that are asking
01:12:00.980
That doesn't actually answer my question, though.
01:12:05.340
I'm asking specifically about the authority over a man.
01:12:08.880
In this particular case, if you're marrying two people, one of them is going to be a man,
01:12:15.440
And you're going to be an authority over that, right?
01:12:18.280
There are people that perform weddings for same-sex couples and things like that as well.
01:12:25.460
I mean, do you think that's okay, too, in your purview, your Christian purview?
01:12:31.680
Well, I don't think it's our place to judge people.
01:12:35.600
If people want to come together and they want someone to do a ceremony for them, whether
01:12:40.320
it be feet washing or, like, I've been doing the healing arts for lots of years.
01:12:46.340
And I consider my ministry of talking with animals to help humans a ministry.
01:12:54.900
Well, if God gives you a gift, to me, if God gives you a gift, why not use it?
01:13:01.680
So, I feel like that if people come together and they want to have someone as a witness
01:13:07.460
for them to come together in a union, then who am I to judge them?
01:13:12.280
Well, I can tell you exactly why this line of reasoning makes no sense, and I'm going
01:13:35.460
I just want you to understand that what you're saying is, when you say, ah, everybody should
01:13:40.220
just be able to do what they want, and if you want to, you know, go ahead and marry
01:13:45.580
The second I give you an example that you don't like, you go, no, that's not appropriate.
01:13:49.340
I'm just saying, I'm not maybe the minister for them, but they want...
01:13:54.000
But you think that there should be a minister that marries a brother to a sister?
01:13:59.780
It's not your place to judge whether or not a man can marry his sister?
01:14:12.180
And the horse sent a telepathic message into his brain that said, I love you and want to
01:14:17.060
want to get married to you, can you get married to them then?
01:14:24.900
If you honestly believe in telepathy, if you honestly believe in telepathic...
01:14:31.320
We're meant to be bonded with animals because most humans don't know what the F they're doing
01:14:38.300
And we've messed up this planet, so if we listen to animals, we'd be nicer people.
01:14:47.500
If you honestly believe that there are people who have telepathic connections to animals,
01:14:52.220
this means that animals can then consent to sex.
01:14:57.040
That would be a logical possibility that they could actually consent to sex.
01:15:01.620
So if a person said they're having sex with an animal and the animal consented because it
01:15:12.580
Well, I don't partake in that sex with animals.
01:15:29.920
Isn't it possible if you can telepathically talk to an animal that an animal could request
01:15:36.680
sexual favors from you telepathically and then they are consenting to sex?
01:15:44.340
False because the human animal is the only one that's twisted like that.
01:15:49.680
All the animals I've met have never even been on that level.
01:16:01.400
What do you mean the animals aren't twisted like that?
01:16:03.960
They do horrible things to each other constantly.
01:16:08.580
For the record, I'm opposed to marriages being performed between humans and animals.
01:16:15.200
Animals do horrible things to each other constantly with zero remorse.
01:16:20.380
What do you mean only humans are twisted enough to do this?
01:16:23.540
No, when you talk about the sex with animals, that's not really a subject that I even care about.
01:16:35.020
So here's the argument against the sex with animals.
01:16:39.480
But in your case, you're saying that animals can actually speak to you.
01:16:45.020
If that's true, and you actually believe that that's true, then isn't it logically possible
01:16:50.000
that there are people who have animals speaking into their brain consenting to sex?
01:16:57.940
Wait, there's animals that do fuck people, though.
01:17:07.260
Are you to say that animals aren't demented or weird or twisted?
01:17:11.860
A dog will hump you if, like, you know what I mean?
01:17:16.620
I feel like in those scenarios, a lot of the times, I feel like the animals are being
01:17:22.600
Like, oh, yeah, but the dolphin, are we talking about the lady who is living in the house?
01:17:44.240
If you're talking about dating, and somebody says to you, oh, I can speak to animals, right?
01:17:49.560
Tell me that it does not occur to you that, well, wait a second.
01:17:55.020
And if it's possible that you actually can do this, what if you actually run into this
01:18:02.420
How could you ever tell a person that they could not engage in sexual intercourse with an
01:18:07.640
animal, if they can actually talk to an animal, and they tell you, I have a telepathic connection
01:18:22.220
All I say is that I haven't met anyone that's had that question, or animals, or humans.
01:18:35.400
No, but I used to meet a family for two years, and they used to escort me in the ocean.
01:18:46.740
And in any case, so you've been celibate for nine years, single for nine years, right?
01:19:03.340
Yeah, the dolphins are front-centered in my mind right now.
01:19:09.920
We've only been dating for officially a year, almost.
01:19:13.520
But I've known him for 10 years, and we've been talking or hooking up consistently during
01:19:34.800
Well, almost a year officially, but we've been exclusively talking for a while.
01:19:51.100
Like, maybe that one, just because, like, we were, like, we've been talking, so it kind
01:19:54.920
of feels like it's more than a fresh relationship, and, like, I've known him for years as, like,
01:19:59.560
friends first, and, like, we've done stuff and everything, like, before we were officially
01:20:03.580
So, like, I would say our relationship was more, but...
01:20:08.580
So, prior to the current guy you're seeing, you've not had a relationship longer than
01:20:28.740
We've known each other for a little over six months now.
01:20:36.960
And my longest relationship was three years, and that was probably four years ago, five
01:20:45.380
years ago, but that was, like, my first year's relationship coming from high school into
01:20:57.080
However, I've been with my husband for six years.
01:21:05.220
I've spent almost 25 years married, and put together outside of marriage, I spent about
01:21:17.380
So I'm just here to tell you, you know, there is love in your later years, mid-years.
01:21:53.960
It says, Andrew, Brian, please show no mercy to this deadbeat strumpet.
01:21:58.880
Ladies, if you had to pick one, who would you bow to your man once a day or share your
01:22:06.320
Would you bow to your man once a day or share your man with another woman once a day?
01:22:26.740
It was either bow to your man, which I'm not doing, but I'm also not allowing my man
01:22:33.060
Because, like, if he's sleeping with another person, then you're not my man.
01:23:07.620
I would share, but then at that point, he wouldn't be my man.
01:23:41.220
It's just to see if you can engage with a hypothetical.
01:23:58.400
I think that if he had a lot of money and he was really, really well off, I would bow
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But if he was broke and he was slaying in, I would probably share.
01:24:12.520
I mean, I would probably bow, but we would probably both be laughing at the same time
01:24:26.520
In the context of which we're speaking about it, and like...
01:24:50.740
If you really love your man, you're not going to bow to him just to be like...
01:25:05.500
Like, in jiu-jitsu, you bow at a sign of respect.
01:25:16.820
My instant reaction was to be like, no, I'm not bowing to a guy.
01:25:20.860
But then I thought about it for, like, a nice second.
01:25:25.120
It doesn't have to be, like, any kind of dominant display.
01:25:42.300
What if it was the case that your boyfriend wanted you to be submissive?
01:26:25.160
Going around the table, bow or boyfriend cheats every day?
01:26:55.300
And the thing about it is, is if you love somebody, why would you want to share them?
01:26:58.880
And if you love somebody, why would you not respect them and bow?
01:27:07.740
I would swim up the Amazon River with 45-pound weights tied to my scrotum with nothing else
01:27:13.240
but gore lock the destroyer's queefs as my air supply if it meant I could have one seafood
01:27:40.540
And Andrew's already shared it a million times.
01:28:20.840
Would you rather her bow to you or have sex with someone else?
01:28:41.480
If you're going to do a trick hypothetical, make sure it's an actual trick.
01:28:47.440
I like the men that deserve to get bowed to are the ones that are fully taking care of
01:29:01.920
Wait, can we ask them two back there what their opinion is?
01:29:55.580
We're going to get into some of her pre-show notes.
01:29:58.960
There's a photo of you on your Instagram where it's like a before picture.
01:30:06.260
I don't know what picture you're talking about.
01:30:10.180
I'm going to pull up the profile while I'm trying to find the photo.
01:30:14.520
It's just you don't even need to pull up the photo, honestly.
01:31:19.080
Granted, though, y'all did look more related than y'all two do.
01:31:55.560
I've already said it to where I think it should be.
01:32:07.400
So just curious, like, you know, you saw the debate a couple days ago.
01:32:10.900
Like, if you had to choose one to date, Trump or Biden.
01:32:19.680
So now you're asking me now, not, like, which one is the better one in general to date.
01:32:32.280
Well, okay, I think that Donald Trump's going to do his best to get the job done.
01:32:35.980
I don't know if he can succeed, but he's probably going to come at it with some kind of aggressive energy
01:32:43.320
But Biden, he might just, like, treat you nice during, after.
01:32:49.940
I don't even think he can get it hard, honestly.
01:33:09.220
I, like, literally declined to answer that because...
01:33:18.740
Like, do you want the forceful, sweating, hairpiece...
01:33:22.180
...or do you want, like, the soft, gentle, shaking man, like...
01:33:27.700
I think Biden would sniff your hair and Trump might grab you by the something, right?
01:33:42.480
I think it would be cool to have both because you have, like, sensuality with Biden...
01:33:52.220
But if I had to pick either one, I would go with Biden.
01:33:55.360
I like the loving, and I like the caring, I like the touching.
01:34:05.860
We wouldn't be able to communicate, but he'd be like...
01:34:20.260
Well, am I allowed to say no since I have a boyfriend, or do I have to?
01:34:25.540
Okay, so the reason why is because he has connections that I want to get documents of,
01:34:39.220
Like, I don't know if I should just think about this, or if I should just say a random
01:34:50.960
I mean, but you've been celibate for nine years, so I feel like you gotta, you know.
01:35:43.120
Okay, I'm switching to Biden just before I can say no.
01:35:50.420
I'm just thinking about Trump's face just away.
01:36:16.620
And you know the thought process behind Trump on top of you.
01:36:40.780
There was this obvious nature and you guys missed it, right?
01:36:44.240
You could have said Biden because he'll forget about it in five minutes.
01:36:51.620
Wait, but what would I change if he forgot about it?
01:37:00.040
Because he'll fall asleep and just be like, all right, I don't get it.
01:37:16.100
No, I was trying to do a really horrible impression of him talking.
01:37:50.140
I just put that there because it makes other people feel comfortable.
01:38:19.680
I go by your freaking nature sometimes, but typically she, they.
01:38:29.860
I would say she, her, but I like the they history behind it.
01:38:37.960
It's really cool because it's like you don't, especially when you're younger, you don't have
01:38:42.420
any like, you're not bound to something, so you, there's more possibilities.
01:38:47.260
Like, you're not bound to the, the, the gender roles or norms, so I'm saying I like that, but
01:39:05.120
No, but because, have you ever hung out with a transgender person?
01:39:11.240
I lived with one for two years and the awfulness that they have to go through of not being accepted
01:39:18.720
for who they are and just, they're a human being.
01:39:36.220
Because we all breathe each other's DNA every day.
01:39:39.960
Let's see how this, let's see how this plays out.
01:39:46.380
Does that, does that, I mean, does that kind of roll off the tongue?
01:39:56.020
No, I mean, they, you can kind of understand, right?
01:39:58.180
Because people will use they and them in that type of context.
01:40:01.140
So for instance, if I said, go get them for dinner, right?
01:40:13.880
Well, no, it's even more confusing if it's something along the lines of, we went to dinner.
01:40:42.500
Not sure why I asked that, but I saw it on your Instagram.
01:40:50.420
I have, have you guys met people where it's like, they only want you to call them.
01:41:01.700
I end up usually just calling them by their name instead.
01:41:08.180
Because I've heard people call a human being an it.
01:41:17.380
And I just think that the whole pronoun, like, sucks.
01:41:25.380
And if I see anyone signing off with some goofy pronouns, they're blocked immediately.
01:41:31.240
Politics aside, they're the most annoying breed of people.
01:41:39.080
Has an animal ever told you that it identifies differently than the sex it was born with?
01:41:48.940
Has an animal ever told you that they identify differently than the sex they were born with?
01:42:01.980
Deadbeat, you said, I can create some good conversation about controversial topics.
01:42:06.440
Was there anything in particular that you wanted to hit on?
01:42:09.140
I think what I was referring to was more about, like, the strip club.
01:42:14.480
And, like, customers coming into the strip club and maybe encounters I've had.
01:42:18.800
So, you wrote that you have plenty of unique and crazy stories from your eight years working
01:42:23.680
in a strip club, including some wild celebrity encounters and insane moments in the back room.
01:42:31.980
So, I got two stories that I can get into right now.
01:42:35.360
I think one's really positive and one's really cringe.
01:42:44.500
So, I want to talk about the coolest, the coolest encounter that I have with a celebrity.
01:42:49.400
I don't really want to focus on the negative ones.
01:42:50.900
I'd rather focus on the positive ones and what they did right and what other people should
01:42:55.560
do because a lot of people don't know what to do in the club.
01:43:03.720
So, this is Waka Flocka and his team and his goons.
01:43:08.700
I think this is one of my best experiences I've ever had dealing with the celebrities.
01:43:13.200
I've had a lot of them, a lot more bad ones than good ones.
01:43:17.020
But this one, he came in with his people and there's a lot of strip club etiquette and
01:43:22.020
when somebody comes in that's high status, what happens is they pull out the rope with
01:43:28.240
the gold sides and you have to stand in line and let them pick you as a dancer.
01:43:35.800
Yeah, we all stand in a line and they say yes, no, yes, no, yes, no to the dancers and
01:43:42.540
then whoever they pick or want in the sections, they allow in the sections.
01:43:46.420
So, there was a line and I refused to stand in it.
01:43:54.320
So, I was standing on the sidelines and I was watching them pick the girls and I was
01:43:59.620
Kind of in my head thinking, how am I going to get into this section?
01:44:02.420
So, they picked like four or five girls and they were drop dead gorgeous, beautiful and
01:44:08.880
they had pulled out, I think maybe like $8,000 maybe somewhere around there for maybe like
01:44:15.360
four or five girls and I was standing kind of like leaning over like this, just like watching
01:44:22.200
them being a little lurking girl on the sidelines and one of the friends of Waka Flocka was like,
01:44:32.680
I was like, there's money on the floor already.
01:44:35.100
They have to pick it up and like I can't get in the section.
01:44:37.200
And he's like, no, you're getting in the section.
01:44:39.120
And then he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and drug me into the section
01:44:49.860
But I'm like sitting there now and I'm like, all right, I start dancing and this one of the
01:44:53.020
girls comes up to me and she starts like cussing me out and she's like, get out of the
01:44:57.260
And she was just like in my throat, dead ass, in my throat.
01:45:07.060
And I, Waka Flocka was really like kind of not saying too much.
01:45:12.160
Like he was more low key, but he, he tapped the guy and was kind of like handle that.
01:45:16.600
And his friend got into his face and I got into the girl's face and it was like, was
01:45:29.340
And he was also correct because the customer's always right.
01:45:31.760
No matter what it is in a customer service job, which dancing is customer service and
01:45:38.440
So he shut that down and then we ended up, they ended up throwing like thousands and I
01:45:43.180
think we each left with about $2,500 and there was about five of us in the section.
01:45:47.880
They were super polite, super nice, did not sexually harass us at all.
01:45:52.720
And I just really loved that his friend had my back and like, didn't let someone bully
01:45:57.840
me into getting kicked out of money that was mine.
01:46:03.740
So yeah, everything was perfect in that experience.
01:46:12.520
That was a very basic, cool money making story.
01:46:16.580
I want to hear the cringy, I want to hear the cringy, filthy, nasty, freaky shit.
01:46:21.760
I'm going to tell you about my story in the background cause I got so excited about it.
01:46:24.560
But I wanted to say something positive because there, there's people out there.
01:46:37.240
So I, um, I used to work at this place in downtown LA and I was a baby stripper.
01:46:42.420
I think I was maybe like seven, eight months into it.
01:46:45.420
And I had a customer that was a construction worker.
01:46:52.840
I was like, all right, like no other dancers talking to him, but I'm going to talk to him
01:46:58.600
And so I saw him not even a, it wasn't even a VIP.
01:47:05.740
And we go into the back and he's like, he requests that I take off my heels.
01:47:10.920
And I don't know if you guys know this, but stripper feet smell like shit.
01:47:16.580
Like we are sweating throughout the night and I'm a pole princess, which means like I do
01:47:26.840
So this guy was like, I want to take your heels off and massage your feet.
01:47:31.040
And I was like, all right, but like he's paying me for that.
01:47:34.300
So I go on the back and then he takes my heels off and I'm automatically embarrassed because
01:47:47.260
All I know is he already paid for the thing and he's here and there's three songs and I
01:48:05.480
I'm covering my eyes and I feel a jerking motion.
01:48:14.220
And I opened my eyes and the sky is straight up on my feet.
01:48:25.620
He was just straight up jerking off on my feet.
01:48:30.180
The way that I started screaming in the back room, I started screaming.
01:48:50.480
I've told that story like four times and every time I do, I get the goosebumps and then my
01:49:01.580
You ground your vagina on men's junk over the clothes for money, but when it came to him
01:49:09.660
jerking off on your feet, that was just a little too much for you.
01:49:15.080
I think anytime a man pulls out his genitals in a strip club, it's going to be shocking
01:49:20.480
and it's going to be out of line because that's not what we do in the strip club.
01:49:26.300
Lots of, lots and lots and lots of strippers and tell the truth.
01:49:30.080
They have a little side hustle going on, don't they?
01:49:32.960
Well, whatever side hustle those girls have is their side hustle and I know nothing.
01:49:38.200
What you know is that in LA where I work, if you do anything extra, you're getting fired,
01:49:44.520
which means you're banned from meeting new customers.
01:49:46.980
Yeah, I mean, maybe, but I mean, it's pretty common.
01:49:49.320
It's pretty much common practices that they do side shit for money.
01:49:55.320
But what I'm telling you a story about is my story about the back room that I had,
01:50:04.640
And what I'm doing is I'm kind of making the same general characterization because I
01:50:08.740
don't understand how can you grind your genitals on a man for money and get him hard in his
01:50:17.080
But the second he decides to, you know, do something just a little bit different than
01:50:24.960
I've never really understood the mentality with that.
01:50:27.300
If you nut in your own pants, that's different, but don't pull out and fucking nut on a female,
01:50:31.820
then you're going to get punched in the fucking face.
01:50:33.300
I think it's anything that, you know, you weren't prepared for that.
01:50:39.020
What was worse was the bestiality conversation.
01:50:46.960
There's rules that you go into a strip club knowing, and there's rules that the dancers
01:50:51.960
have and the customers are supposed to abide by.
01:50:54.620
When those rules are broken, that's when the customer's getting dragged out.
01:51:01.600
Yeah, I don't think dudes should be, whatever that dude did, he shouldn't have done it.
01:51:08.560
Anyways, okay, you said two things that you hate, a lazy dancer and a fake trick.
01:51:16.320
A fake trick is when you go to the club, and this guy pulls out, let's say a guy pulls out
01:51:21.240
$1,000, and he's like, I'm going to spend it, I'm going to spend it, I'm going to throw
01:51:29.920
Is this something someone can encounter in dating, too, or is this just like a club thing?
01:51:36.740
Okay, so I think the biggest sale with trick tendencies is they'll tell you all the things
01:51:43.000
that they can do for you, and then a girl will believe it, and then after six months, they
01:51:47.240
can no longer provide the lifestyle that they've been providing in the beginning of the relationship.
01:51:51.560
That's also a fake trick, and that's also devastating because they sold you an idea of themselves
01:52:03.760
You also wanted to mention something about the sassy men apocalypse.
01:52:08.340
I mean, isn't that what you're selling them, though?
01:52:13.160
Well, if you're referring to the strip club, that's different.
01:52:19.560
You're selling them the illusion that you're into them.
01:52:22.260
In the strip club, and they know it's an illusion.
01:52:28.160
They know it's not real, but if you're outside...
01:52:32.680
Why don't we just kind of make in the assumption that they know these things?
01:52:36.960
That men can't be preyed on by women inside of these clubs.
01:52:43.420
Not all men who go into these clubs, even though they can consent because they're of age, have
01:52:47.340
all their faculties, they seem to be taken advantage of plenty.
01:52:51.580
If they're getting taken advantage of, it's because they want to be taken advantage of.
01:52:55.040
Oh, well, then I guess if you're getting taken advantage of, it's because you want
01:53:12.240
So, if you are getting taken advantage of, it's because you want to be taken advantage
01:53:18.140
What about, like, a guy who lies to a girl about his long-term intentions in order to get
01:53:23.900
So, yeah, the girl, she only wants to have sex with, like, a long-term boyfriend, and
01:53:28.360
he's like, baby, I love you, I want to be with you, they have sex, and then he never
01:53:37.940
That either means the coochie or the dick was trash.
01:53:43.220
If you guys fucking, you never fucking gang, then something is wrong.
01:53:46.140
Well, but he could also just be, like, trash if he just, like, wants to bang, but is, like,
01:53:52.580
But most of the time, if you're just wanting to fuck and hook up, if it's just a hook-up
01:53:59.160
Well, Andrew said if you get taken advantage of, it's because you wanted to be taken advantage
01:54:06.260
So that's the same case if a girl gets tricked in that way?
01:54:09.840
I mean, yeah, if you want the D, you want the D.
01:54:17.460
I don't think that's why these kinds of, like, sloganeerings by people who cope because
01:54:25.720
They're coping about the engagement of prostitution, but when you take it to its logical extension,
01:54:31.680
When men are taking advantage of them, they seem to have a completely different outlook
01:54:37.100
So they go, oh, well, you know, men going into strip clubs, ah, they know they're being
01:54:43.180
I feel like they should not be true that they just know that.
01:54:52.180
When somebody comes to the strip club, they're looking to party and have a good time.
01:54:56.720
And in the strip club, that's like bottle service and having a bunch of beautiful women
01:55:02.680
If you want the guy that's getting away from his wife that just wants to sit there and
01:55:05.920
maybe get a couple dances, you know, like, he's coming there for a reason and he knows
01:55:14.580
Do you know what the concept of a parasocial relationship is?
01:55:27.600
And this, women and men are both capable of believing an illusion.
01:55:31.700
In this case, the illusion is the girlfriend experience or the woman who's really into you.
01:55:36.300
Clearly, when you get paid money to strip, you're not going to pretend that you hate the
01:55:41.280
You're pretending that you're into him, that you think he's great, that you think he's
01:55:50.160
I'm sure that you can point out some sicko who wants you to treat him like shit, but in
01:55:54.060
general, you're going to act like you're really into the men that you are performing the service
01:55:59.560
for because that, in turn, is going to make you a lot more money, right?
01:56:03.180
To kind of sit there and pretend that some of those men don't involve themselves in some
01:56:09.920
kind of parasocial relationship or believe that the experience is real or that you really
01:56:14.180
like them or something like that, it's bullshit.
01:56:18.980
There has to be at least some of them that do believe that.
01:56:22.960
I don't know what they believe, and I don't care.
01:56:27.520
You'll take advantage of them one way or the other because you're doing your job.
01:56:30.360
That's why I don't feel bad when you're like, oh, this guy took advantage of me.
01:56:34.780
They're going to a place of business paying money for a service, like very knowingly,
01:56:44.800
Most men, most people know what strip clubs are, and they understand what they're getting
01:56:50.160
I'm sure not everybody does to that full extent.
01:56:55.880
I feel like a woman that's investing in a relationship based on trust of the guy and
01:57:03.840
thinking that he's legitimate when he says a certain thing.
01:57:07.520
I feel like that's completely different than a cash transaction.
01:57:13.360
You can't compare them or act like they're the same.
01:57:17.040
There's people that have all sorts of vulnerabilities, and they're in a different place mentally.
01:57:25.280
Maybe they've gone through a divorce or whatever.
01:57:34.820
And I don't think preying upon somebody and lying to them deliberately is ever a good
01:57:41.120
So let's back up real quick to what you were saying earlier.
01:57:48.600
I think that probably most men who go into a strip club understand that it's a fantasy
01:58:02.220
She doesn't care if there's men who come in there and don't believe that.
01:58:06.220
They don't know that, or they fall for the parasocial aspect of this thing.
01:58:21.420
Oh, she doesn't give a shit if they come there unknowingly.
01:58:27.200
Why in turn should men give a shit if women are taken advantage of, if women fall for
01:58:35.840
Because I assume that most women believe that most men are just looking to score.
01:58:47.580
And so since I make that assumption, any of them that do that, shouldn't I just go,
01:58:52.180
well, you know, I guess you shouldn't have fallen for it?
01:58:54.600
Well, no, because you're comparing a business and a service to a relationship, and they're
01:59:06.800
You're not meeting somebody in a regular environment.
01:59:11.780
Why is it that when you make an analogy that people don't seem to understand, that if I
01:59:17.160
say apples and oranges are different, I'm still comparing fruit.
01:59:20.300
So while I'm comparing two different situations, the logic is still the same.
01:59:33.180
So if that is true, if you have three sugar daddies who are taking care of your bills and
01:59:38.780
We're not taking advantage of people that need help.
01:59:41.160
We're not taking advantage of people who need help.
01:59:43.720
You got them on the home couch and you're going to make sure that they get their right
01:59:47.880
therapy and it's just going to cost them a lot of money, right?
01:59:53.620
Especially if you're cheating on your wife or your girlfriend.
02:00:16.200
She had a question related to what your job was.
02:00:31.840
So, because you want to sit here and act fucking smart, I got you.
02:00:35.480
Anyway, I want to know, like, do your employees or whoever that you talk to, do they think
02:00:40.060
that you're taking advantage of them as well for, like, what you do, or, like...
02:00:47.120
So, why would that be the same for a fucking stripper?
02:00:53.680
Yeah, what you just said is incoherent, and I don't even understand it.
02:01:01.740
So, are you saying that people can't fleece their customers by giving their customer an
02:01:08.360
However, if they know that what they're getting...
02:01:10.780
Hang on, you have to calm down enough to let me get the question out before you answer.
02:01:15.260
But you've been, like, yelling at everybody else.
02:01:19.780
You've been yelling at everybody else, so I don't know who you're talking to.
02:01:19.800
Okay, okay, I want you to do me a favor real quick.
02:01:22.480
Count how many people are in the room and count how many of me there are.
02:01:27.160
She doesn't need to do that, because you definitely have been talking over a couple of days several times.
02:01:37.640
I don't know why you're even involved in the exchange.
02:01:41.280
Because I can involve myself in anything I want to.
02:01:46.160
And you can also involve yourself by not speaking until we're done with the exchange.
02:01:50.400
Remember how you were having exchanges with other people and I didn't get in the mix?
02:02:01.600
Well, I've watched you try for many episodes and I haven't seen it.
02:02:04.940
Before we were so rudely interrupted by, I don't know, this brought over here.
02:02:08.680
Perhaps you can explain to me, if there's that many people in the room and I'm having various
02:02:15.540
arguments with those people, obviously I'm going to have to insert and interject far
02:02:23.880
It's easy because there's one of me and there's many of you, right?
02:02:33.380
My point is that if there's one of me and nine of you, clearly in order to get some
02:02:40.100
So you need to allow him to finish asking the question.
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In this case, you're creating a false dialectic.
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I was saying, based on your logic, the extension of the logic should apply to these other situations.
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The false dialectic, which you proposed though, is saying...
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Because employers can mistreat their employees, that that is in some way similar to selling
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So if they're a stripper, I don't go to a strip club thinking, oh, I'm going to make
02:03:31.220
I would say 99% of customers do not go in thinking they're going to get a relationship,
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thinking they're going to get any type of long-term anything.
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They're going in there to have an experience, to party, and to have fun.
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And the ones that are going in there to talk about their wife because they're annoyed are
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paying for a girl to sit there and just listen to them yap.
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They're like, thank you for sitting here and listening to me talk about my deadbeat ass life.
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And they are the ones that are making that conscious decision.
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Do you know what the dispute we're having even is?
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He was saying, if I remember it correctly, Andrew, he was saying, don't you think that that turnabout
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is fair play if a guy tells a girl that he has longer relationship intentions just to get
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her into bed, that the one should make the other one okay or balance each other out?
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So if a girl is getting bread, you're trying to say, is it the equivalent of a guy selling
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No, what I'm saying is that if you have the expectation that most men who walk into a strip
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club are going to understand they're being sold a fantasy experience, I can agree with
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But what I'm saying is that there's clearly going to be some who do not think that it's
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just a pure fantasy experience who are being taken advantage of.
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So my counter to this is just to say, well, wait a second.
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I also think that there's women who are being sold a fantasy experience from men.
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And men are essentially trying to get the thing that they want out of those women, just like
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And so if that is the case, it seems that turnabout is fair play, yeah?
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You know, there's a girl doing it to a guy, there's a guy doing it to a girl.
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Guys are doing it at nightclubs, in regular nightclubs, and they're trying to, like, take
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So the point of the contention is Andrew's right, right?
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Honestly, I was trying to have a conversation with you this entire time, and other people
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And so moving things on here a little bit, you also, I think this was a tweet of yours,
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mentioned something about a sassy man, sassy men apocalypse.
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They're, like, six or sevens want to be chased.
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And in that process of girls chasing them, they're extremely sassy, and they give attitude,
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I think girls should pay for first dates in all dates.
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If I'm not going to smash you out, and if I see nothing going, I'll pay for the first
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Wait, you smash guys out, or they smash you out?
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Depends how masculine they are, but yeah, I'm usually the one getting smashed out.
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You're encountering sassy men who kind of want to be pursued and chased by you?
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He likes to match the energy of the person he's talking to, whether it be a woman or a
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Generally, if you're respectful, and we have a good respectful back and forth, I like to
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And if you're a total bitch, then I'll be a total asshole.
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You got good arguments, and you come with substance, and I really do appreciate that.
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And you and your wife get a couple dance by me.
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Well, you know, I think with an alpha man, you're going to have that.
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I just want to let you know, even if I were to break my orthodox vows and do something
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as sick as that, why the fuck do you think I would ever do it with you?
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Where's the delusion come in where, like, if you can pay for that, what makes you think
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Honestly, that statement alone, I would say that you need to go to the strip club and
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You need that lap dance, because if you're that hostile over a hot girl offering you and
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your wife a lap dance, then there's something wrong.
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You know, I've been told on this show a ton of times that hot is subjective.
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When you say hot, this is just a subjective term.
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This would be a perfect, oh no, I unpinned the Stifler, damn it.
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If we're doing the ratings, I want to do something a little different on the ratings.
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Unfortunately, we unpinned Stifler's comment, but typically we have, so we have a question
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He says, ask everyone to rate their looks, looks, on a scale of one to ten, can't pick
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Andrew, what is the differential that you'd like to?
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If you guys will humor me tonight, I've been thinking about this, and I'm going to be
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totally honest with you, just so that you can understand my mindset.
02:09:51.620
Women lie about this constantly, and we catch them and lie after lie after lie on this.
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It's not even because they're being malicious, it's because they don't want to hurt people's
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Like, that's the honest reason that they lie about this answer so much.
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Should we get the ratings before, or you want to?
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I just want to give a precursor so you understand my mindset.
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There is such a thing as something called the wisdom of the crowd.
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And what this means is, if you had a state fair, and there was a cow in the fair, almost
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everybody who guessed the weight of the cow would be wrong.
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But if you averaged their answers, you would be really close to the actual weight of the
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Now, so what I'd like to do is ask you, if 1,000 men were rating you, what do you think
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If it's 1,000 men are rating you and we're taking the average of all of their answers,
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what do you think that it would end up, the number would be?
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Do you think that 1,000 men who rated you would consider you to be at the top tier of the
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Wait, let's get, why don't we, Andrew, we ought to get the whole answer.
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I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point
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Because I do not want to focus my point of consciousness into this sphere.
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What does, I'm sorry, you're going to have to translate it.
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I say this with peace and love and all due respect, but I don't answer stupid questions.
02:12:05.880
Well, actually, this, I could say that the self-rating, perhaps, you could make an argument
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it's a stupid question, but it seems like if you were to ask, what if 1,000 people were
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giving their subjective metric on how you looked, how they thought your beauty standard
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was, that actually doesn't seem like a stupid question to me.
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That seems like a wise question because we're looking at the wisdom of the crowd.
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Well, I believe everything in existence has a purpose, but I feel this lacks a lot of value.
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What is your purpose on a dating podcast, do you think?
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And could this perspective also be to answer the questions which you're asked?
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And here's the thing, I'll be totally fair and I'll answer the same question I ask you.
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Is this just based on looks or is this just like off a photo of you, like a picture, or
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is it like a, they know what your personality is?
02:13:08.360
No, they don't know anything about your personality.
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So my thing about that, like my response to that is like, I think it's subjective too.
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Like someone could see me as like a 10 and then someone else could see me as like a, and
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I get you want to like average it out, but the thing is like someone fact, someone can
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So I feel like you can't really like subjectively like be like, cause, cause everyone thinks
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I don't agree with, so I'm going to totally agree with people, but that's a good point.
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So based on what you think the subjective metric of 1000 people who were rating you
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at a County fair, you're in a beauty pageant, you're in a beauty pageant.
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And the way that they determine who the beauty queen is, is they use the numbers one, two,
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10, and you are estimating what 1000 men would say you would be based on their general opinion.
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So you mean like on average, like socially, subjectively?
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I don't know if I can answer the question though.
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I would have said seven, but why can't we say seven?
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Listen, I was going to say seven, but why can't we say seven?
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So just say six if that's what you want to say then.
02:14:59.860
You guys want to get so deep with every fucking question.
02:15:03.620
Yeah, but how does this not like engage more of the conversation, though?
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Because look how many people are sitting at the table.
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There's so many other things we could talk about besides this.
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How am I supposed to answer it if I don't know how to answer it?
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It's perfectly okay for you to have a clarifying question.
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They all are holding up their little signs that say one through ten.
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What do you think the average of that would be?
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Allow me to have a bit of a back and forth on this.
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So, now I'm going to have a meta conversation with you.
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Because I feel like it's just on a surface level.
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But I'm saying in general, the question itself, it's very surface level.
02:16:56.000
I'm sorry to, like, have this conversation again because, like, I know.
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But I feel like it's such on a surface level where I hear this a lot on your podcast where
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you talk about the rating system and everything.
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And I feel it discounts and excludes the fact that everyone is unique in their own complex
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And I feel every person, say, out of that 1,000 people are going to be so different on
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They're going to rate you in such a different way because each of those people are so
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Because it's like an average you're saying, right?
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So listen, I'm going to repeat back to you what you're saying so that you understand
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The reason that it is is because across the board, these ratings are going to be so different,
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However, that's why we're asking, what do you think the average would be out of all
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Remember that any time your boyfriend, husband, et cetera, ever has asked you what you want
02:18:02.240
for breakfast, that's a superficial question as well.
02:18:08.560
Well, for this one, I just think in terms of even, say, the podcast, because I've seen
02:18:14.800
In all honesty, I feel like you've been fracturing on with this question over and over and over
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But why come on the podcast if you don't want to answer these type of questions?
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Like, isn't that the point of being on here, though?
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Why would you come on this type of podcast if you're not, like, thinking that you're going
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Oh, I already knew I was going to answer this one.
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A fractal is a continuous infinite loop of the same thing over and over because you can
02:18:58.480
You can make anything an infinite through a fractal.
02:19:00.860
It has literally nothing to do with this question, though.
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In a million years time, a fractal has anything to do with this.
02:19:08.960
Wait, so your objection is the frequency with which I ask this question, which is almost
02:19:23.000
But every single episode, I also ask people their name, their age, where they're from,
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That's just like a basic getting to know the person.
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That same question isn't going to feel the same for every single person sitting here
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Everyone's always going to have a different response to that.
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Not the question itself, but the person answering.
02:19:56.500
Okay, so when it comes to physical attractiveness, you don't care at all about that?
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I think it's more, so sometimes, if I'm just kind of like, I will be attracted to someone
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after I get to know them, where I won't feel attracted at all.
02:20:15.880
Are you talking about just like, I need you to answer my actual question.
02:20:18.740
So, yes, are you attracted to people because of their personality?
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Do you make any assessments when it comes to somebody's physical attractiveness,
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when it comes to determining whether you would date them or not?
02:20:36.620
Okay, a couple further clarifying questions, then.
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If I'm saying, I want to bring my boyfriend to this because, like, I love him, and I
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don't even want to, like, compare him to, in any situation, like, some weird...
02:21:14.900
Say my boyfriend was just 4'11", and he just happened to be 4'11", yeah, I would be with
02:21:25.100
Interestingly enough, you don't care about height, but your boyfriend does happen to be
02:21:30.780
I didn't physically see him until months after talking to him.
02:21:37.760
Well, I saw him on Instagram, but I didn't see...
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I didn't see him physically in height in that form.
02:21:43.840
Well, you can make some assessments about height, just even based off of photos.
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Even the assessment of, like, how someone looks.
02:21:48.980
I think there's a lot of games being played on this right now.
02:21:51.500
Okay, so in any case, you would date a guy who's 4'11".
02:22:01.100
Then no, because I don't want to date anyone but...
02:22:02.960
Yeah, what if you break up with your boyfriend and you're back on the dating marketplace?
02:22:07.600
Would you prefer to date a guy, all things being equal, who's 4'11", or 6'5"?
02:22:11.460
I don't see myself not being with my boyfriend.
02:22:14.680
If I'm not going to be with my boyfriend, I don't want to be with anyone else, so I don't
02:22:17.040
If you didn't have breakfast this morning, how would you feel?
02:22:20.860
I would be hungry, but I don't care, because I would rather go be a yogi out in freaking
02:22:24.700
India than go get into the physical world in that form.
02:22:29.520
In any case, you did make a concession that you do factor in physical appearance, correct?
02:22:36.060
Okay, so that means you can look at things in a binary, for example.
02:22:39.120
So, one person is more attractive than the other.
02:22:43.220
I wouldn't necessarily say someone is more attractive than the other just because of this
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But I don't specifically say in terms of levels, be like, oh, because this person has this
02:23:02.140
color eyes, they're more attractive than this person, or this person is an inch taller,
02:23:10.180
You can't even articulate precisely why or the reasons for why one person or the other
02:23:15.600
might be more physically attractive, but can you make the determination that one person
02:23:21.480
On an energetic level, like you just described, yes.
02:23:26.240
You said on, like, the level of you can't even put it into words.
02:23:31.820
Okay, but if you did mean that, I would say then, yeah.
02:23:38.900
Can you make differentiation and determinations when it comes to physical appearance?
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But I don't like to in the form of seeing something as lesser than the other one.
02:24:07.860
Like when you go out, would you just put on makeup?
02:24:20.740
But you said the question is stupid and then it's rather superficial.
02:24:24.900
And you don't really believe in looks and all of this.
02:24:27.600
But I mean you've applied paint to your face to alter your physical appearance.
02:24:31.280
But I apply paint to everything else in my life.
02:24:34.500
You apply paint to like some sort of turtle shell.
02:24:38.640
I don't know what the shell things or whatever you make are.
02:24:50.580
But also my sculptures that are actually like life-size.
02:25:01.420
So you talk about, you know, not thinking the question is superficial but isn't wearing makeup
02:25:07.620
If you were operating on this like higher frequency...
02:25:13.640
Can't you have this conversation with her after we go around the table?
02:25:16.460
Why can't you just feel like answering the question?
02:25:22.700
Y'all can talk about this for the rest of the whole time.
02:25:26.600
She doesn't want to answer the damn one out of ten.
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She's just trying to sound like a good guy on camera.
02:25:58.400
No, I just don't feel like I answered the question.
02:26:02.640
I just want everyone to be able to answer the question.
02:26:04.840
So do you think, for example, like, you don't want to answer, do you not want to answer
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the question because you think you're a 10, but you don't want to say it?
02:26:23.260
In some weird way, it sounded like you were trying to, like, say that I thought I was
02:26:58.960
So can you think of, do you have, like, a celebrity crush?
02:27:05.740
I don't care about celebrities or anything like that.
02:27:07.860
So if I were to, like, pluck out, like, a 25-year-old male model, would you rather say?
02:27:24.300
Wait, but why did you come on the podcast then?
02:27:47.020
I can already tell that that's going to happen.
02:27:48.520
But before it does, maybe, I would like to just know the answer.
02:27:53.480
So just so that you understand, this was actually a pretty common scientific practice, the wisdom
02:27:59.360
They just would do it with livestock, things like this, as an experiment.
02:28:03.500
And what they're trying to determine is, even if people are wrong about an actual objective
02:28:08.060
metric, like the weight of a cow, for instance, if you took all of their answers collectively
02:28:13.240
and averaged them, would they be closer to the truth?
02:28:25.140
But collectively, when you averaged the answer, it was about right.
02:28:28.880
So it doesn't seem like it's a futile question.
02:28:33.160
And it doesn't really fit the criteria that you're giving us of overly invasive.
02:28:37.680
You're just saying what you think the wisdom of the crowd would be.
02:28:45.400
But just to give a blank answer to move on, because we should move on.
02:28:50.040
So I believe, out of my perception, that we're all tens, including myself.
02:28:56.320
Do you think that that would be the average of the crowd?
02:29:01.540
Why do some people have modeling contracts and others don't, if everybody's equivalent
02:29:07.240
A lot of people have modeling contracts nowadays.
02:29:09.100
A lot of people actually have modeling contracts nowadays.
02:29:12.600
You know, let's say that there's people who want to be models, but can't.
02:29:19.580
There's also different things going on in life.
02:29:22.060
That's what's happening in the modeling industry.
02:29:38.260
So we're just talking about superficial looks still.
02:29:51.500
If I want to talk about this for the next hour, I'll talk...
02:29:54.400
And I'm going to talk back for the next hour, too.
02:30:01.080
With great tattoos come great responsibility, right?
02:30:24.980
I have a follow-up question for you, but I'm going to get everybody's answer.
02:30:35.280
Since I'm twice as old as everyone here, I probably like six and a half.
02:30:48.960
I want to say a 10, too, but I was originally going to give myself like an eight, maybe,
02:30:53.140
because I was trying to be nice to myself, but now I want to be extra nice to myself,
02:31:06.880
So I think that the wisdom of the crowd would probably place me around a three or a four,
02:31:15.560
You've got to give yourself more credit than that, do you?
02:31:19.980
What I do is I look around at the reality that I live in, and the reality that I live
02:31:26.360
in, I see dudes who are super stacked, and they're ripped, and they have youth on me
02:31:33.660
And based on those criteria of purely physical, we're not talking about personality.
02:31:42.280
We're just talking about objective beauty standards.
02:31:51.140
But there's lots of men who have a cute face, and then they have the knockout bod to go with
02:31:55.920
So what I'm saying is that I think that the standard, the wisdom of the crowd would be about
02:32:01.800
And so the reason I ask this question is because I was hoping that I wouldn't get a room full
02:32:07.920
because every woman who's on this show apparently is the most beautiful.
02:32:10.700
They're in the top tier of the top tier of the most beautiful women in the world.
02:32:14.140
And you could see where I would be skeptical as to hearing that claim over and over and
02:32:19.140
over again without thinking that maybe I'm being gaslit a bit or perhaps people weren't
02:32:26.380
So I thought I would reframe it differently with the wisdom of the crowd.
02:32:29.740
And yet, somehow, I still end up with the same exact answer.
02:32:34.280
Apparently, a thousand men would also rate you to the same beauty standard that you would
02:32:43.700
It's a little bit like, man, maybe you're not quite being honest.
02:32:54.700
But don't you think there's a reason why, maybe?
02:33:05.500
If you're doing something different, why are you getting the same results then?
02:33:08.940
Well, actually, I just did something different.
02:33:12.840
So usually, the definition of insanity, which I think you're alluding to, which, by the
02:33:18.700
It's something like weird layman that came out of the 90s from a bunch of stupid teachers.
02:33:24.300
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different
02:33:28.620
So I introduced a completely different hypothetical and still got the same result, which makes
02:33:35.800
But rather, the people I'm talking to might be suffering a bit from delusion.
02:33:39.100
Okay, I'm saying something completely different, and you didn't even understand it.
02:33:45.340
I said, if you're framing it differently, and you're getting the same answer, then there's
02:33:55.640
Maybe it's the context in which, like, what is the point of the question, like, is what
02:34:05.660
The point of the question is to ascertain between men and women who is more or less
02:34:11.340
delusional about what the physical characteristics that they have externally presented to other
02:34:19.700
So the perception of other people to how you actually look versus how you think you actually
02:34:25.940
And let me explain the concept behind why that's asked that way.
02:34:29.520
It's because women are inundated with messages from men who want to have sex with them all
02:34:35.000
the time, every day, 24 hours, seven days a week.
02:34:38.300
Because of this, you can run into a problem which is unique to females because they have
02:34:45.360
And the reason that this ends up happening is because so many simps will constantly inundate
02:34:50.780
their DMs that after a while they start to actually believe the bullshit.
02:34:54.300
So this is why you end up having a room full of women who are, you know, they could be
02:35:01.400
burn victims with their fucking tongue hanging out of the left side of their cheek and have
02:35:14.660
It's because there's still some fucking simp somewhere who's like, oh, I got a fap to
02:35:23.140
I love when they have burns and their tongues hanging out and they have a hunchback.
02:35:30.600
And this is why I tell any girl that asks me that they want to be a dancer that just
02:35:35.600
do it because in the club, you're always going to find somebody that messes with you.
02:35:41.660
And so now you understand the point, now you understand the reasoning.
02:35:45.540
Do you even have an objection to the reasoning or does it make sense?
02:35:52.420
I get that, but I don't agree with that point though.
02:35:56.560
Like, you're like, oh, because we're all narcissists.
02:36:06.120
Women that see themselves as a 10 is what I'm saying.
02:36:09.180
What I'm saying specifically is this, and I'll demonstrate it.
02:36:14.360
If you took your phone and the amount of DMs you get on social media to most any random
02:36:20.260
man, and you were to compare how many men contacted you for some type of sex versus how
02:36:27.960
many women contacted them for some type of sex, who do you think would be way ahead?
02:36:44.460
I don't understand how you're even phrasing that.
02:36:46.600
If you took your phone and the amount of men who DM you to say, oh, you're beautiful, you're
02:36:53.540
a queen, oh, you're great, oh, I wish I could date you, oh, I'd like to have sex with you,
02:36:58.320
et cetera, et cetera, and you were to compare that with any random guy's phone on the street,
02:37:08.960
So, you can assume then that if you have that much attention in one way, that it would be
02:37:14.460
much easier for the one sex to believe in a delusion than the other sex because they're
02:37:25.980
I don't think that's the answer or conclusion to that.
02:37:28.820
It's like, you're kind of the way you're saying it is like degrading.
02:37:36.200
You're like, well, they're saying they're a 10 because they're a narcissist.
02:37:39.860
Like, no, they say you're 10 because they want to have sex with you.
02:37:47.300
They're razzing you up and telling you the most beautiful girl in the world because they
02:37:53.000
And so, what it does, if you have enough of that male attention, it jacks up your estimate
02:38:02.060
They don't have the inundation of people jacking their self-esteem up.
02:38:06.240
And so, it seems that they have a much clearer objective standard of their state in the world
02:38:25.860
Of course, there's some men out there, of course, that that's going to be the case.
02:38:33.600
But that's not, in general, going to be the case.
02:38:36.560
A woman who's a mid-five and a man who's a mid-five, if you compare their phones, tell
02:38:48.160
And it's because society, in, like, the structure of civilization and society, men have been
02:39:00.900
It's obvious that women are going to get more attention because guys are the ones that have
02:39:06.100
It doesn't, but wait, wait, I think you're missing, I think you're missing some critical
02:39:13.120
Let's say aliens, the reason is because aliens made it happen.
02:39:16.940
The reasoning behind it wouldn't matter so much as the fact that it is true.
02:39:21.940
And if it is true, then the results of this are, if you have one group who is constantly
02:39:27.740
being gassed up and told you're great, you're awesome, you're sexy, you're hot, et cetera,
02:39:33.200
et cetera, their estimation of themselves is going to be far different than another group
02:39:40.780
And that's why I think we end up with these standardized answers, which seem to be delusional.
02:39:45.860
But you're asking women if they're what they think about themselves, but they know
02:39:49.120
their personality, they know how they are, but it's hard to say, oh, just
02:39:55.260
You seem like you're kind of based a little bit more in reality, right?
02:40:04.060
If you go and you compared your phone to whatever guy that you randomly met in the street, who's
02:40:19.260
Now, do you think, do you think that if, if you had a person who was always treated a
02:40:24.100
certain way, they were always treated like they were a princess, they were always treated
02:40:27.220
like they were better than the cut of the cloth, they were always treated a certain way that
02:40:32.660
that could affect their psyche to the point where they might think thoughts and delusional
02:40:45.900
So if every single chick who comes in here is an eight, then the problem is, is that everyone's
02:40:53.880
thinking something that isn't true and we want to know fucking why, right?
02:40:58.220
But hey, just like I said, they're an eight to somebody.
02:40:59.940
So if you want to walk around with that delusion or that reality, that's your reality, then
02:41:05.640
If you have, you know, somebody's ugly as shit and they're walking around.
02:41:08.320
About whether or not they're an eight to somebody, we asked about the wisdom of the crowd of
02:41:12.420
if a thousand men were judging, not one, a thousand, you take out number seven, we still
02:41:20.000
Then that means there must be some kind of delusion going on here.
02:41:23.140
You know, I didn't hear anybody say you can't say number three for yourself.
02:41:33.960
So I have a, so I have a couple of things I want to touch on on this.
02:41:39.080
And also, could I just have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table and just don't,
02:41:42.020
you're like shouldering out the two girls next to you.
02:41:46.540
So Nick, can you get the hypergamy chart pulled up?
02:41:54.480
Do you think you're going to be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now?
02:42:08.740
So 35, you're going to be better looking at 45.
02:42:21.760
Get a little Botox, get a little this, a little that.
02:42:30.980
I think there's a lot of like older, yeah, I think, I think so.
02:42:42.000
You'll, you think you'll look the same at 55 as you do now?
02:42:44.700
Just a couple of gray hairs, little wrinkles, you know.
02:42:47.720
The tats cover up a lot of like the age, you know?
02:42:49.900
If I get wrinkles, I'll just tattoo it, you know?
02:42:52.020
Do you think you were, do you think you were better looking at 25 than you are now?
02:42:58.680
So you're better looking now than you were 10 years ago at 25?
02:43:11.660
So you'll be better looking at 35 than you are now at 25?
02:43:19.360
I don't think I'm going to look better than I do now.
02:43:24.380
Were you better looking at 20 than you are now at 30?
02:43:33.300
Will you be better looking at 34 than you are now?
02:43:36.100
Subjectively, I think women look better in their 30s.
02:43:39.460
Subjectively, I think women look better in their 30s.
02:43:43.640
Subjectively, you think women look better in their 30s.
02:43:47.960
I think they look more sophisticated, and it's about their demeanor and way of being.
02:44:04.600
Also, what do you call nine cows in a room with Brian's fat, biteable dumpty dum?
02:44:39.800
Will you be better looking at 44 than you are now at 24?
02:44:59.740
So from 34 to 44, there will be no perceptible changes in your looks?
02:45:08.680
But maybe on a track scale, it would stay the same.
02:45:13.700
I would reasonably say it would change in some form or another in society's eyes.
02:45:21.920
Yeah, because they perceive older women as, for some reason, less beautiful.
02:45:27.140
It's about how you take care of yourself, yeah.
02:45:39.760
So people will say, well, I was an alcoholic, drug addict, and morbidly obese at 20, but
02:45:46.500
at 30, I ate healthy, I didn't do drugs, I never drank, I got eight hours of sleep,
02:45:50.800
and I was 13% body fat or whatever healthy body fat percentage is.
02:45:55.200
Because the question really is, if all else being equal, if you possessed all those things
02:46:03.900
Well, 30, like I said, I think there's a sophistication level to that.
02:46:09.760
What he's asking, hang on, what he's asking specifically, I just want to make sure that
02:46:12.940
this is totally clear, when he says all else equal, what he's saying is, all the surgery
02:46:17.320
that you have, whatever you have, all the fillers, hang on, all the fillers you have,
02:46:21.600
whatever you have, and I'm not accusing anybody of having it or not having it, but whatever
02:46:24.960
those things are, whatever your beauty regimen currently is, however it is that you're taking
02:46:29.940
care of yourself now, versus you at 20, that's what all else equal is.
02:46:34.680
That means, whatever you're doing now, if it was being done at 20, would you have been
02:46:51.620
I would say, I would say equal or more, because I, like I said, there's a maturity in your appearance,
02:46:59.860
not just your way of being, your appearance itself.
02:47:02.920
Yeah, but wouldn't that, if maturity was a factor in terms of determining physical
02:47:06.720
attractiveness, wouldn't then people who are 55, 65, 75, wouldn't they be the most physically
02:47:14.080
Well, I think it's different from when I was 20 years old, I had a baby face, and I looked
02:47:19.800
So, I think there's a difference, like the way that people grow into their bodies.
02:47:26.660
So, you're 24, but you said you'll be more physically attractive at 34, what, it's not
02:47:32.480
going to be a baby face if you've already lost it.
02:47:34.320
No, for example, it's like, if you have, on society's perspective, like fat in your cheeks
02:47:41.780
or whatever, the older you get, the more your jaw slims, the fat slims out of your cheeks,
02:47:46.320
the more your nose becomes pronounced, the way that it's defined, the way your face looks
02:47:52.620
is completely different, jaw structure, bone structure, cheek structure is different.
02:47:58.280
Is it also about the experience that you gain from that point to 34 that makes you hold
02:48:06.180
That's what I was trying to say in the beginning, but then, yeah.
02:48:08.580
The experience that you have from 24 to 34, life experience, makes you hold yourself
02:48:17.640
I'm talking about tragedies and the ups and the downs of life.
02:48:27.860
I'm so sorry that that has been your life experience.
02:48:32.540
I'm actually willing to engage in this because I'm curious about this myself.
02:48:37.240
When you say life experience, absent baggage, what the fuck does that mean?
02:48:44.060
Wins, wins, times that you have been very accomplished, like times that make you feel worthy.
02:48:49.840
Isn't accomplishment usually in the face of adversity?
02:48:55.840
For instance, if you beat somebody in the race because you trained really hard or you
02:48:59.820
were facing some type of adversity to yourself, you overcame it, that's the W.
02:49:14.560
So, with the first part, the sexual partner part, I think it's different, but I'm going
02:49:19.400
to talk about the first part right before you said sexual partner part, okay?
02:49:23.200
So, in regards to that, I would say, like you said, the accomplishment comes in baggage,
02:49:31.120
But, I understand what you're saying there, 100%, but when you are older, you're able
02:49:38.640
to, I'm going to throw a term out here, probably not going to like it, alchemize that, turn
02:49:44.700
Well, I don't mind you using the term, but I'm not sure in the context that you're using
02:49:51.120
Can you just really quickly define alchemize for me?
02:49:53.380
So, and I'm using it in the spiritual sense, turning one thing into another, like turning
02:50:03.780
Which is what alchemy was, the ability to turn non-precious metals into precious metals.
02:50:10.240
So, turning your perceived baggage into a lighter part of yourself.
02:50:17.180
So, the older you get, it doesn't mean you have baggage.
02:50:19.640
Yeah, you might have had traumatic experience, but that doesn't mean you have trauma.
02:50:27.200
You do realize when you use the term alchemize, and I love the fact that you use that term,
02:50:32.380
has anybody ever successfully been able to turn, hang on, has anybody ever successfully
02:50:38.380
been able to turn non-precious metals into gold?
02:50:41.660
I love this, because no, because I had this conversation.
02:50:44.980
I said no, because I had this conversation with my boyfriend and it's really funny.
02:50:47.480
So, why should I believe that you can alchemize your trauma and your baggage into something
02:50:52.660
good when the very definition of the word that you're using is a transmutation of non-precious
02:51:08.280
I am not using it in the physical, and you know that.
02:51:11.660
Yeah, I mean, but even in the spiritual, it would be the same, right?
02:51:14.500
Even in the spiritual context, nobody's ever spiritually been able to take any, in this
02:51:22.000
case, let's say a precious emotion, let's just say a precious emotion, and turn that
02:51:27.380
emotion into something else without some baggage from it.
02:51:34.400
I got what you're saying in the beginning, but at the end, you lost me.
02:51:38.280
Well, okay, so if you have an emotion, if you have an emotion and you turn it into a different
02:51:45.140
Even the process of doing that, even the process of doing that is going to be adversity, right?
02:51:49.400
No, because that's like healing a part of yourself.
02:51:54.600
It would be healing that part of yourself, the baggage that is there, right?
02:52:02.380
Well, then how are you healing a part of yourself?
02:52:06.160
Because then you could, the reason why it's overlapping like this is because I'm trying
02:52:09.820
to explain multiple like spiritual knowings into one where you could go into like the
02:52:15.080
deepest one and be like, oh yeah, everything is perfect.
02:52:20.640
I mean, the esoteric is a lot of fun for me to discuss.
02:52:24.360
And healing yourself in this context, turn your baggage into light.
02:52:37.080
And she was saying that by going through experiences and trauma, that this would somehow manifest
02:52:42.340
itself in you carrying yourself in a different way.
02:52:44.700
You were the one who literally brought that up.
02:52:47.740
No, one of you brought up, well, as you get older, you get more experiences and then
02:52:56.220
Ergo, your physical outward appearance is somehow improved through your experiences, which
02:53:01.760
would also include your trauma and baggage, as well as your good experiences where you're
02:53:06.940
going to fucking Cancun or whatever the fuck people do for your good experiences.
02:53:12.560
Articulate to me how even your good experiences will make you look better.
02:53:18.920
I feel like with good experiences, like going to Cancun and being able to afford the trip
02:53:25.900
on your own and making that money at a different age, and you're like, oh my God, it's so
02:53:29.840
I can just make a counter, I can just make a counter argument and say, just as many people
02:53:34.320
have, just as many people, as you go through life, you tend to start accruing certain traumas
02:53:43.180
Do people typically get more or less jaded as they get older?
02:53:48.280
So would they then carry more tension in their body?
02:53:50.740
Perhaps, and question, here's another question, do people's posture as they age tend to get
02:53:59.160
Okay, so then I can just reverse this whole argument of over time, your outward physical
02:54:03.940
appearance is going to get worse because people tend to hold themselves in worse ways, either
02:54:08.820
through being jaded, they carry more tension in their body, that's going to manifest itself
02:54:13.700
in stress, like you'll see that in people's faces.
02:54:16.600
If they've had a lot of stress in their life, they're going to get wrinkles, hair's going
02:54:19.720
to go gray, they're going to lose their hair, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
02:54:23.420
And then people's posture tends to get poorer and poorer and poorer as they get older.
02:54:27.180
I like what you said about eating healthy, taking care of yourself, like if you're doing
02:54:30.240
all those type of things, working out, stretching, eating the best, whatever the fuck, that's
02:54:35.120
definitely going to make a difference, like, you know what I'm saying?
02:54:38.220
I think that the original conversation of from 24 to 34, you gain a lot of life experience
02:54:45.040
that makes you feel confident on who you are, and that's how you walk through life.
02:54:50.140
Do you think, but like, okay, just in terms of what men find attractive in general, beyond
02:54:53.680
just physical appearance, do you think men care about your experiences?
02:54:56.880
I think actually men get scared of women that have that confidence.
02:55:00.380
I think that after 30, it's a lot harder to date because you are confident.
02:55:04.520
And if you're single with no kids, it's different.
02:55:06.060
So you're saying women are more off-putting the older they get?
02:55:14.900
You know, at 30 with no kids and living and taking care of-
02:55:22.220
But you said that men are attracted to women's experience.
02:55:25.900
I didn't say that women, that guys were attracted to experience of women.
02:55:55.480
I feel like I attract guys that have a lot of confidence and just like-
02:55:59.700
What does that have to do with what they're attracted to?
02:56:01.140
Well, I'm saying they're going to be attracted to somebody else that has a lot of confidence.
02:56:09.340
They don't want a woman that's going to bring them down.
02:56:13.800
You can have a positive disposition and you could be like, have perhaps a more shy or
02:56:23.380
What about, so say if you were with a woman, right?
02:56:29.680
And she was like, so like, there was, her confidence level was a zero and she was just constantly
02:56:43.980
If a guy approached you and he was just super confident, no trembling in his voice, eye contact
02:56:52.400
You hear it in his voice, his manner of speech.
02:56:55.460
He, there was no, uh, hesitation, just very confident.
02:56:59.080
Whereas if a girl were to step to me and her icon, like, and she, you know, she approached
02:57:04.280
me and she was like a little bashful and a little bit shy and her eye contact was, but
02:57:09.160
she wasn't like being creepy, but she was like maybe a little nervous.
02:57:13.020
That wouldn't be at least from the guy's perspective, a negative mark against her.
02:57:20.180
Whereas if there's a shake in a dude's voice and he steps to you, that's an instant rejection
02:57:31.100
I don't like the weird, like psychotic, like I'm fucking perfect.
02:57:36.160
Like if a girl's a little bashful, like a little, but I think that's, I think what you're
02:57:42.060
I, it's not some men, like when they're bad, like you said, I think that's true.
02:57:47.360
I think on the other end, some men, like when women are more attractive.
02:57:50.240
I think on the other end, women, like when men are more attractive and then sometimes
02:57:53.720
some, I'm sorry, I'm getting my words messed up already.
02:57:57.560
Like I'm just, I've only slept two hours within like 20 hours.
02:58:02.640
I feel like this goes back to the original question.
02:58:07.000
As soon as it gets to the right here at this part of the table, I lost the whole original
02:58:12.760
So I'm going to move it on, but I will bring up the hypergamy thing in a bit, but going
02:58:18.280
around the table, I think we're going with you.
02:58:23.360
Will you be more physically attractive at 36 as compared to 26?
02:58:32.220
And then also I'm going to make a comment that I think men have like Benjamin button disease.
02:58:35.960
Like they get more attractive to society as they get older and women get less.
02:58:51.700
So you're saying that men age better than women.
02:59:09.380
So if you're saying that based on society, men get more attractive with age.
02:59:12.160
And you're saying that men get more attractive with age, right?
02:59:23.060
Her claim is, she says, okay, based on society.
02:59:27.900
Society is all men and women collectively, right?
02:59:36.660
Relative to the society, men are more attractive as they age than women, right?
02:59:42.220
So wouldn't that dictate that most women find older men to get more attractive as they age?
02:59:52.160
Well, but societally is a collective group of people, right?
02:59:58.080
So, I mean, if that's true, then most people would be thinking this, right?
03:00:03.540
I think that happens through advertisement, through films, through...
03:00:06.660
Yeah, there's a bunch of reasons for it, but I'm going to say.
03:00:08.680
If we didn't have films, if we didn't have films, most older men in their 60s, 50s, 60s, 70s, wouldn't think that they need to be with a woman 35 years younger than them.
03:00:21.500
Yeah, we can go on this whole tangent, but if you look at films...
03:00:26.200
No, if you look at films, older women that date younger men are given stigmas and names, but it's widely accepted through films and the way society acts...
03:00:39.780
That an older man can date someone 20, 30 years younger than them.
03:00:51.320
I have, just in my memory, a grouping of movies where an older woman is sleeping with a younger man, and that's considered to be based in awesome and in every way just fine.
03:01:05.960
One that comes to mind, for instance, is American Pie with Stifler's mom, right?
03:01:16.860
Can you name the movie where that's socially acceptable the other way for a man?
03:01:22.060
Probably all the movies that were made in the 50s and 60s.
03:01:28.500
The one with Cary Grant, and then he was with...
03:01:37.600
What are the modern movies which are showing this?
03:01:39.620
Like, you see Cary Grant with someone who's 20, 30 years younger than...
03:01:44.260
70-year-old geriatric dudes are not going to count as far as societal norms now.
03:01:52.140
Actually, if you watch any films, especially with female directors, they talk about this
03:01:57.920
subject a lot, that it's okay, it's taboo for an older woman to date a younger man.
03:02:03.760
Actually, in the movie, in modernity, where it's the older man with the younger woman, and
03:02:10.740
that is considered, that is pushed and promoted as being a good thing.
03:02:21.240
And by the way, the reason Twilight doesn't count is because Edward physically stays the
03:02:38.240
But back over to this, where I was before I was so rudely interrupted, can you name a
03:02:44.820
movie of modernity where it's promoted for men to have an age gap relationship and that's
03:03:01.180
I'm just thinking, well, there was a movie that was recent that Anne Hathaway was in
03:03:10.000
And then she got completely beat up about it verbally, society, her child was, you know,
03:03:23.800
You would think that if these things were so, you would think that if societally it was
03:03:27.820
so prevalent that age gap relationships were looked at as being okay for men to go after
03:03:33.340
younger women, that you would have a slew of examples that you can give me.
03:03:37.640
And I haven't actually heard you give me one example of where that's promoted as being
03:03:44.340
All you have to do is look at what Hugh Hefner created.
03:03:48.200
And then I met him years ago and it was normal.
03:03:54.680
But it was normal for an older man to be with someone 20, 30 years.
03:04:02.200
Before we move over to the diatribe, before we move over to the diatribe, which I'm happy
03:04:07.200
to listen to and engage with, can you name a movie of modernity, even the last 20 years,
03:04:13.780
where the age gap relationship is promoted as being a good thing, where the man is older
03:04:27.400
Okay, name the one where he's in the age gap relationship.
03:04:30.560
The Daniel Craig movies of the last three he was in, the woman was in their 20s.
03:04:57.260
Yeah, but you realize that you can act when you're acting.
03:05:00.080
You can still act as though you're the same age as the person who's far younger than you.
03:05:04.200
These are not, James Bond movies are not presented as, James Bond is way older than the women that he ends up with.
03:05:13.880
They're presented as being in some way equal in age or sophistication always.
03:05:17.880
But I'm just saying that it's a society thing, that it's okay for an older man to be with a 20, 30, 40-year gap woman.
03:05:28.740
Yeah, you keep asserting that, but where's the evidence for that?
03:05:31.340
Here's the thing, right, is that you say that, but in actuality, it's actually, there's a huge actual negative pressure.
03:05:42.320
For example, you'll have words like cougar for women.
03:05:46.060
It's not clear to me that there's actually any negative stigma towards women who date younger men, whereas older men who date younger women actually get severely pathologized by mass amounts of the population.
03:06:01.180
They conflate men who date women in their, you know, who are, if a man's 40, who's dating a 21-year-old, they're going to call him a P-word.
03:06:09.300
So there's actually way more stigma towards men who date younger than the reverse.
03:06:14.240
While it's more common for men to date younger, there's much greater stigma.
03:06:22.200
And maybe you just don't know how this goes, at least inside the online sphere.
03:06:27.100
But men who date younger women are often called PDF files.
03:06:31.060
They're often called names like this because they're dating a woman who is a legal adult.
03:06:37.260
She's sometimes 22, 23 years old, and he's 40, 45, and they still call him that.
03:06:43.740
That seems like it's a massive social stigma, the opposite direction than what you're talking about.
03:06:48.600
So I guess it's happening both ways, but because I'm older.
03:06:52.640
No, but because I'm older than most of the women here, it's like I see that there is a stigma.
03:07:00.120
If I'm attracted to someone who's younger than me, then I get called those names.
03:07:05.860
So even though I'm not attracted to someone like that.
03:07:12.160
I mean, what are the derogatory names that you're called?
03:07:31.540
Bill Belichick, he's got that 23-year-old girlfriend.
03:07:42.100
That's also that one guy who's like 80 just had a baby with, like, somebody.
03:07:49.600
So that was one time, but that wasn't with Daniel Craig.
03:07:59.020
Do you think you'll be better looking at 65 than you are now?
03:08:02.260
Well, I just went through both of my favorite people dying in the past.
03:08:09.300
Because everyone has been bringing up the fact that when you go through life experiences, stress, it affects you.
03:08:17.040
So, I feel like 10 years from now, I might look better because I won't be going through such severe stress.
03:08:25.220
So, I just went through severe stress of moving eight times, losing all my stuff in the Maui fires, moving here, having to reinvent my life.
03:08:34.880
All those stresses are, affects the way someone looks.
03:08:39.780
But we talked about that whole topic for like an hour.
03:08:46.480
So, you think you're going to look better in 10 years?
03:09:05.720
God, all my friends are like doing Botox and all that weird stuff.
03:09:14.840
Let's remove the stress entirely from your life, 55.
03:09:17.640
We're going to remove, in fact, we're going to remove all stress from your life for the next 100 years.
03:09:22.920
I don't know if you'll make it that far, but most people won't live to 100.
03:09:28.320
So, you're going to have no stress in 10 years' time.
03:09:33.960
And let's assume you have no stress right now, too.
03:09:41.940
Will you be better looking at 75 versus now at 55?
03:09:54.660
I mean, my grandmother lived at nearly 105, and she was like the best person in the world because she was so fine.
03:10:02.440
But we're talking about physical appearance, right?
03:10:06.740
I love how we're talking about physical things, but it gets so fucking deep with every single thing.
03:10:17.900
You express yourself from your life experiences.
03:10:20.480
So, you change, and you morph, and you transform, and...
03:10:44.660
Will you be more attractive at 95 than you are now at 55?
03:11:04.380
Are you more physically attractive now at 55 than you were at 45?
03:11:16.700
Yeah, because I didn't go through all this awful stress.
03:11:20.340
Now you took her stress away for the other question.
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Were you more physically attractive at 35 than you are now at 55?
03:11:35.820
Wait, I'm a little confused, because you said right now you're going through a significant
03:11:43.420
Was that stress, the stress that you're feeling now, more than the stress that you were having
03:11:52.420
But you said you're more attractive now than...
03:12:37.340
Will you be more physically attractive at 55 than you are now at 25?
03:12:51.980
If it's the case that you're going to be more physically attractive at 55 than you are now,
03:12:58.940
do you think that being physically attractive confers certain benefits?
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I think there definitely are instances like that.
03:13:11.480
I mean, people get treated differently based on how they look all the time, so...
03:13:15.720
So, if I could wave a magic wand that would, in terms of your outward physical appearance,
03:13:21.340
that would just age you 30 years, and it wouldn't have any impact on your health.
03:13:30.320
You would still live just as long as you would have otherwise lived.
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Just your outward appearance, we're going to age you forward 30 years.
03:13:36.880
To where you consider yourself to be more physically attractive, would you take it?
03:13:45.880
Now it's getting tricky, because in my head right now, yeah, I'm going to keep getting hot.
03:13:52.300
But, like, I don't want to say yes to your scenario, because you're saying you're advancing my body.
03:14:02.660
Are you aware that what Brian just did was he caught you in what's called cognitive dissonance?
03:14:08.480
You, yourself, inside of your brain, believe that in 20, 30 years, you'll be just as good looking as you are now.
03:14:15.800
But as soon as Brian says, okay, there's no health ramifications, you would actually be more beautiful by your own estimation in 30 years
03:14:22.660
if I had a magic wand and can wave it, and therefore you're aged forward.
03:14:26.620
Now you're more beautiful than you are right now with no negative health ramifications.
03:14:37.300
If he is agreeing, then I'm going to get more hot.
03:14:45.860
Well, because in my head, when you're saying, like, all right, you're...
03:14:48.580
My body's going to stay the same, but you're going to pack 30 years of life into my skin.
03:15:03.440
So, for example, there won't be any negative health consequences that are related to aging.
03:15:10.900
If you would otherwise die at age 80, if I age you forward 30 years, you would...
03:15:21.040
You're not going to have any health problems sooner.
03:15:23.120
If you were at age 60, get cancer, you're not going to get it sooner.
03:15:40.120
So, if Ryan could age you forward, just appearance-wise, 30 years, and there was no negative health
03:15:45.660
ramifications, you would let him wave the wand.
03:15:48.480
In fact, you would tell him to, because you would just be more beautiful, right?
03:15:53.600
I have to make active choices to ensure that I just keep getting hotter.
03:16:00.680
So, whatever those active choices would be, ordinarily, we're assuming that those active
03:16:06.420
choices are implemented inside of the hypothetical of him waving the wand.
03:16:10.740
So, you should actually demand that he wave such a wand, because you would be even more
03:16:18.560
Why do you want to take years off your life, though?
03:16:24.900
I want to take years off life, but I'm getting, like, hotter, but then I'm closer to...
03:16:28.820
By your estimation, whatever you think you'll look like at that age, right?
03:16:37.060
You believe that you're going to be much hotter in 30 years than you are right now.
03:16:43.160
I think that's fucking delusional and insane, but you don't.
03:16:46.400
You think that that's totally reasonable and fine.
03:16:51.660
But if you do think that that's reasonable and fine, you do think you'll be
03:16:54.880
more beautiful, then you should be going to the wand maker, right?
03:17:02.120
The top men at these clubs who could get anyone aren't surrounded by gilfs if there
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They're surrounded by 20-year-old versions of you.
03:17:21.340
You would want Brian to wave the wand and age you forward 30 years.
03:17:26.240
I mean, no, because I don't really want to age, like, right now.
03:17:36.080
I would not be able to keep my roster of side chicks if it wasn't for ladies like you
03:17:42.800
You are helping us with guys pump and dump feminists on birth control.
03:17:48.900
So, you wouldn't want him to wave the aging wand even though you would be hotter with no
03:17:55.280
No, because I'm going to get there in my own time.
03:18:00.700
You just are going to look like you would in 30 years, but there's no negative health
03:18:21.040
I, like, a year ago, I remember there was this study when I was in one of my classes in
03:18:27.360
school, and they were like, yes, like, men and women, when they did this massive, like,
03:18:32.480
meta study, they were like, men and women, like, are more attracted to.
03:18:38.120
Like, someone, usually that's younger, does look better, right?
03:18:45.360
So, but in terms of dating someone, the older they got, the more they mashed up with their
03:18:54.740
Yes, but hang on, let me give you the counter to this, as I understand the series of studies
03:19:02.640
Yes, that is true, and generally people date within about three years, generally, of whoever
03:19:11.520
But this is because the pool in which they draw from is generally going to be amongst
03:19:16.100
their peers, and they're given no alternative options.
03:19:20.520
However, if you adjust for alternative options, meaning you show them a picture of young, hot
03:19:25.360
20-year-old and 50-year-old and say, if you could ideally pick one, which would you pick?
03:19:33.460
So, dating-wise, they would definitely, I mean, it depends on the values, of course,
03:19:38.840
But dating-wise, you have nothing in common when you're 80 with a 20-year-old.
03:19:46.480
Nothing, you have nothing in, okay, so first of all, I didn't give you the wide berth of
03:19:51.900
a geriatric versus a 20-year-old, but what I said is that if you're a 50-year-old, if you
03:19:57.880
were a 50-year-old, 40-year-old, 30-year-old, and you were given the picture of the 20,
03:20:02.740
21, 22-year-old versus the person in your age bracket, and you were asked which one
03:20:07.840
you would prefer, you say, I prefer the younger girl.
03:20:11.820
Now, I'm conceding your one point, which is that people do generally date within their
03:20:18.000
age bracket, but that's because those are the peers which they have around them, so
03:20:24.640
But if given the option of alternative pools, they would draw from those pools.
03:20:30.160
So I think that's just a hypothetical, like where is that even coming from?
03:20:35.900
That's actually, not only has this been cataloged, and the data has been set in, and how they did
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this was this, I'll give you the methodology so that you understand.
03:20:46.320
What they did was they said, okay, we're granting that most relationships happen within about
03:20:52.800
So they went to a bunch of men, and they asked the men, okay, if you could have this pool of
03:21:00.880
women who look like this versus this pool, one being 10 to 20 years older in their age
03:21:06.740
bracket versus the one 10 to 20 years younger, guess which one they went for?
03:21:15.180
Answer my question first, and then tell me where I'm going with this.
03:21:20.200
Obviously, you said based on looks, you just said based on looks, that they would obviously
03:21:25.420
go for the one that looks better, but when it really comes down to it, dating.
03:21:35.840
But you're saying when they looked at a picture of someone, not when they're actually interacting
03:21:40.840
and conversing on things that someone has no idea where they even were when 9-11 happened.
03:21:47.980
So all you're saying is that if we could project a 50-year-old's personality into a 20-year-old's
03:21:57.340
I mean, all you're saying is like, okay, so some men prefer to have long walks on the
03:22:01.980
beach and late night conversations, but they still would really prefer a hot chick.
03:22:16.380
So this is where you need to move out of the delusion because you just admitted you think
03:22:21.200
we all would, which would include you, which would include the 50-year-old, which would
03:22:25.680
So you can't give me the, oh, the age gap gives me the ick, right?
03:22:31.340
I said in society's eyes, that's how they view men and women.
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If those people happen to be younger, would you be dating the younger people?
03:22:59.220
I'm trying to present, like, a value-type scenario here.
03:23:04.280
Like, it's not just all about looks is the whole point.
03:23:07.760
Like, when it comes down to it, the reason why they're with that person, the variable
03:23:15.580
there is because of the values, is because of, like, the time frame of the mindset.
03:23:35.640
I looked way better at 30 than at 50, you know?
03:23:47.260
But you could run laps around like your 20-year-old self.
03:23:54.560
But just on a physical dynamic, it's the law of diminishing returns and your youth and your collagen and your, you know, beautiful, non-wrinkled skin and all of that stuff is part of the package of what a man that's older and successful and established is going to be attracted to, you know?
03:24:18.940
That is the trade-off of how it's always been with humans.
03:24:25.640
And I certainly have a husband who values my mind.
03:24:32.100
And he thinks I'm brilliant or whatever, right?
03:24:35.260
Makes me feel like I'm being viewed as a whole entity, not just physical appearance, right?
03:24:45.080
But when you're a young woman, your mind is not what men are instantly judging you by.
03:24:55.200
They make snap decisions in their head based on whether they'd want to talk to you, whether any of that stuff.
03:25:01.240
And so, and as you get older, your looks are going to go down the decline.
03:25:21.200
But this idea that in terms of the attractiveness of your personality and the attractiveness of your mind, it somehow increases as you get older is absolute cope.
03:25:35.020
Most people, again, I already asked you guys, do you get more jaded as you age?
03:25:39.560
Most people, in my estimation, typically don't tend to actually really develop, like, really compelling, fantastic personalities as they get older.
03:25:54.380
I'm kind of confused because if I was 50 trying to date and I'm on a dating app, I'm going to be looking around for other 50.
03:26:06.060
You wouldn't try to snag you a little, like, fine-ass, little 30-year-old, little zaddy?
03:26:39.320
I want to hear that the guy who's 20 years younger than you at 50, who's just too hot and too rich,
03:26:46.220
Because, you know, he's got some personality quirks.
03:26:49.520
You know, he doesn't like fucking basket weaving as much as me.
03:26:58.500
If you got a whack-ass personality, I'm going to leave.
03:27:03.360
No, I'll do because my ex-boyfriend had a shit ton of fucking money and I still left his ass.
03:27:12.280
What are the actual things that you want your man interested in that you're interested in?
03:27:28.600
Honestly, what do you want him interested in that you're interested in?
03:27:42.600
What are these interests at 30 that he's going to have that you don't have?
03:28:01.060
What are these interests you think you're going to have at 50 that you just demand that
03:28:07.920
Honestly, I think we're going to have our own interests because we're different people.
03:28:11.440
So, then he's too hot and too rich at 30 because he doesn't share some perceived interest
03:28:17.440
Usually, wisdom matches up at the end of the day.
03:28:26.200
What is the thing that you demand your man has?
03:28:30.220
I think it's respecting each other's interests.
03:28:33.780
Are you talking about material things like a house, this, and that?
03:28:42.160
I'm trying to say, I don't actually believe you when you say, if you're at 50 and you're
03:28:47.040
this 30-year-old guy who's really good looking and really rich is incompatible due to some
03:29:04.060
My interests would be like crocheting, building puzzles, like talking about shows like iCarly
03:29:11.380
Talking about SpongeBob and making references to SpongeBob.
03:29:18.640
At 50 years old, you're going to reject a 30-year-old hotmail with a lot of money because
03:29:23.340
he's not interested in your fucking crocheting.
03:29:28.440
What I told you is that I would want to be with a partner that respects my interests.
03:29:33.700
He doesn't got to be into them, but he can ask a question about them.
03:29:37.660
No guy anywhere gives a fuck about your crocheting and he know it.
03:29:46.340
If he has money, if I'm 50 years old and he got bread and he has a shitty personality,
03:29:55.580
No, but when you say that, I ask what that means.
03:30:07.160
I gave you interest that I have that you asked for.
03:30:08.280
You legitimately are going to reject a 30-year-old?
03:30:11.860
At 50, you think you're going to legitimately reject a 30-year-old hot dude with a lot of
03:30:17.600
Because he's not interested in your fucking crocheting?
03:30:19.920
I'm personally going to reject anyone with a shitty personality and I thought that was the topic.
03:30:26.560
Okay, so if your question is if I'm going to reject someone because he doesn't like my
03:30:30.460
crocheting, I'm going to be like, yeah, I understand that.
03:30:43.360
The question was if he wasn't interested in all of my hobbies, and I thought it was also
03:30:53.520
That he was a piece of shit and he was hot and rich.
03:30:56.480
The question was if he was a bad person, not a good personality.
03:31:06.680
You just said, if he's not interested in my hobbies, I want to know specifically which
03:31:17.080
Which hobbies specifically do you demand he takes an interest in?
03:31:21.300
Because crocheting, you don't give a fuck, right?
03:31:23.260
If he has his own hobbies, he has his own hobbies, and I have my own hobbies.
03:31:51.320
Like, I want to watch Iron Carly when I'm 60 with you.
03:31:54.760
But the wisdom thing, like, usually I think it matches up at a certain age.
03:32:00.180
Like, why do you think that, like, a lot of guys who are players when they're younger
03:32:10.120
I don't even think women really care about wisdom.
03:32:12.900
Otherwise, there would be chicks in the DMs of, like, the most intelligent engineers
03:32:19.620
Chicks want to fuck the athletes, the hot dudes, the stat, the guys with status, the
03:32:26.040
Get out of here about even girls wanting wisdom.
03:32:30.080
Otherwise, y'all be trying to fuck rocket scientists.
03:32:43.560
I be smashing on the nerves, the golden retrievers, like...
03:32:47.920
Dear 50-year-old engineer, can you please explain to me how a servo works?
03:32:56.800
Bro, and if it was about wisdom, if y'all were attracted to wisdom...
03:33:00.500
Bro, engineers, fucking software engineers, coders would be drowning in fucking pussy.
03:33:13.120
You guys want to fuck the athletes and movie stars.
03:33:39.600
He has one of the largest viral podcasts in the world.
03:33:43.140
He's probably perceived as being rich by multiple women.
03:33:46.640
What could the alternative motivation possibly be?
03:34:01.960
Drake or some computer scientist who goes to UCSB?
03:34:11.360
If it was about wisdom, these software engineers, these software physicists...
03:34:29.000
If it was the case that y'all really, really, if women across the board thought wisdom was
03:34:33.780
the number one attraction trigger, then these software engineers and I'm trying to think
03:34:39.120
physicists and mathematicians would be drowning in fucking pussy.
03:34:47.000
It's because people don't know about those people.
03:34:49.720
If people are going for athletes and movie stars, it's because they have PR people.
03:34:58.500
Do you think the soccer players at UCSB, on a balance of probabilities, are like the soccer
03:35:06.480
players at UCSB getting more pussy than the guys who are doing software engineering?
03:35:10.540
But there's also a difference in the way that they idolize the soccer player and they
03:35:14.700
don't acknowledge the status of the soccer players.
03:35:24.400
It's a part of their strategy to boost their confidence so they can win whatever match
03:35:33.640
But you have an engineer that's just doing a really, really great job.
03:35:40.620
But if it had to do with wisdom, women would seek out these men.
03:35:52.200
Nobody's talking about these massive engineers who are pioneers of computer tech.
03:35:56.180
Did you ever see what their women look like, lady?
03:36:00.680
You think that their women were fucking knockouts or what?
03:36:04.480
These are some of the most talked about men on planet Earth.
03:36:28.020
I'm not going to be mean, but Jeff Bezos is new girl.
03:36:29.940
The point is, though, is that half of these guys' wives leave them.
03:36:37.940
Yeah, because they get that check and they bounce them.
03:36:59.260
The big short Delulu women thinks that what's happening now is going to continue to happen even more in the future.
03:37:05.640
Because they think they're going to age like wine.
03:37:10.300
Andrew, if you can, just go ahead with your point.
03:37:14.480
So, I'm just saying, no, there are plenty of very aged, very wise men who also happen to be ugly as shit who it seems that women are not very into even though they're rich and they have all the wisdom and all of that.
03:37:29.900
Somehow, they still end up not going for those guys but going for the six-foot-two, jocked-out guy who they actually are attracted to, to Brian's point.
03:37:44.640
Then we got to, we haven't even finished going around on the question.
03:37:56.480
So, if you guys can do a little test, maybe test out the prime.
03:38:00.640
So, drop us a follow if you're watching over there on Twitch.
03:38:02.480
We're going to be doing IRL streams and Matty's doing solo streams on there.
03:38:05.660
So, be sure to drop us a follow, guys, and the streaming quality is way better over there on Twitch.
03:38:16.020
And then here's the studies really quick to kind of touch on this since you brought up some studies of your own.
03:38:22.720
So, this is a woman's age versus the age of the men who look best to her.
03:38:27.240
So, as a woman ages, she typically tends to find a guy a couple years, a little few years older than her, typically more attractive.
03:38:34.160
Although, it does tend to change as they get into, in terms of what they, of the men who look best to her.
03:38:42.180
And to your point, it doesn't necessarily mean that these are the men they're going to end up with or be in a relationship with.
03:38:47.980
But this is what they find the most physically attractive.
03:38:51.560
And then there's the man one, Nick, if you can switch over.
03:38:54.380
A man's age versus the age of the women who look best to him.
03:38:58.100
And then across all ages for men, you have men on the left there, even into their 50s, they prefer men in their, or what the fuck?
03:39:12.060
So, but again, it doesn't mean that a 50-year-old can get a 22-year-old.
03:39:17.520
But it's also, at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, they think they're more attractive, but they end up dating, at the end of the day, someone who's around their age.
03:39:36.800
So, if you look at, like, hyper-successful men, for example, if you look at Leonardo DiCaprio, we had Tobey Maguire, if you could pull that up, Nick.
03:39:45.620
Tobey Maguire, you got, there was a bit of, he's 49.
03:39:48.660
Tobey Maguire from Spider-Man, the best Spider-Man.
03:39:52.260
He's dating a 20-year-old, and can you show us the next tab on, do we have the next tab?
03:40:17.920
You can click it, but I don't think that's her.
03:40:48.040
Who's the lead singer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers?
03:41:12.720
You know, that's a perfect age physically for having children.
03:41:21.200
They're going because they're easier to manage.
03:41:22.160
No, I think they're hardwired, like, to, you know...
03:41:29.560
I think it's that they've been, like, influenced in society for so long.
03:41:32.900
I think it's hardwiring because it's all of humanity.
03:41:52.920
The social currency is that in humanity, and speaking of not just modernity, but all of
03:42:00.800
Why did somebody just say he was marrying his daughter?
03:42:08.360
That can protect and provide for them and give structure and stability and have a home
03:42:14.580
and a household, and then the women are procreating,
03:42:21.580
So, I mean, it's always been the disparity with that age gap throughout human history.
03:42:27.540
I just feel like they're hardwired to see that as attractive and a partner.
03:42:32.720
I think it's also, like, societal values, too, right?
03:42:36.880
Like, because it's like society kind of brings and teaches men to, like, value...
03:43:01.060
Small, petite, like, innocent, don't know shit.
03:43:05.460
Here, let me just turn this directly around on you.
03:43:08.520
I can just do the same sort of pathologizing towards women.
03:43:12.040
So, women who are desirous of tall men, they have...
03:43:14.980
They're incestophiles because they think of tall men, they think of their fathers.
03:43:22.080
Again, I'm just using your same, like, ridiculous logic back at you.
03:43:30.600
Yeah, but what if you don't like hairless women, right?
03:43:36.760
But if we're only going to point at outliers when you're talking about a society-wide phenomenon,
03:43:41.940
then I just would like for you to do this for me.
03:43:46.240
Can you name for me any society anywhere that you can think of that prefers hairy women who are fat?
03:44:00.000
Okay, let's look at all the sculptures in history.
03:44:03.120
Back in history, if we look at, like, what was painted in history, it was different values.
03:44:13.800
Can you name a single society which valued hairy, fat women?
03:44:27.220
Yeah, like, the women that were especially bigger were seen as wealthier, like, having more...
03:44:46.000
Why don't we allow each other to help us with the answers?
03:44:56.860
If you have a rebuttal, you can come in and be like, actually, I know the society, Andrew.
03:45:02.300
But you could do that after the exchange is done, right?
03:45:06.100
But I'm not arguing with six people at once, because I can't even understand the arguments
03:45:11.560
So I just argue with one person at a time, which is totally reasonable.
03:45:15.860
Can you name a single society which values hairy, fat women?
03:45:19.820
So I don't know if I can know a specific society, but I know that it was a thing.
03:45:25.580
Out of all the societies which you're aware of, are you aware of the Roman society?
03:45:36.520
Are you aware of most of the European societies which exist today?
03:45:42.480
Are you aware that there was barbarian societies which existed?
03:45:46.400
Are you aware that there was Viking societies which existed?
03:45:55.040
Can you name any of them which really valued hairy, fat women?
03:46:04.740
First of all, women, they don't have as much testosterone and hair.
03:46:16.220
You're trying to drag me into a place because you want to lead me somewhere?
03:46:29.560
So then Brian's right and there's a biological basis for why men would be attracted to that.
03:46:33.440
Like, ask 10 men in the group, like, do you like hairy armpits on women?
03:46:39.820
So Brian said there might be a biological basis.
03:46:45.700
And then when I give you tons of the most major, massive societies that you're aware of, you can't name a single one of them that didn't appreciate that.
03:46:52.780
And then say, oh, because it's biological that women have less hair.
03:47:01.440
You're not going to see, like, a long-ass hairy armpit.
03:47:04.620
Like, it doesn't, it's not, it's not visible like that.
03:47:10.640
That's one thing you will see on a damn sculpture.
03:47:32.620
Yeah, and you realize that this was thousands of years ago, right?
03:47:37.520
They still apparently did not like obese, hairy women.
03:47:46.540
It's almost some kind of like objective standard for thousands of years.
03:47:52.620
So, okay, is your argument then that men who are attracted to women with light body hair
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or who shave down there, are you making the argument that they're P words?
03:48:02.320
No, I'm saying that in society, youth is valued in women, among women, right?
03:48:09.100
Yeah, but you said something along the lines of infant, what was your...
03:48:15.720
So, if you have sparse body hair or you shave down there, that's something of an infant?
03:48:26.700
To society's standards, it doesn't have to be a conscious thing.
03:48:36.500
And whatever is younger, youth appearing, is going to be valued.
03:48:47.180
Brian, I don't mean to be rude to anyone's conversation, but I do have to get back to my baby in L.A.
03:48:51.920
I don't want to be rude, but I just was wondering how much longer is the podcast going to be for?
03:48:57.960
At this rate, we're going to be here for a while.
03:49:00.740
Well, I mean, we're probably going to wrap it probably another three hours.
03:49:19.680
I just thought it was going to be a couple-hour thing, so I have to get back to my kid type situation.
03:49:44.600
Wait, you said that you're, didn't you say that you're the guy who's watching her?
03:49:51.140
It took us two and a half hours to get here, and I told him I was going to be back tonight
03:50:00.440
If you guys, co-parenting is not a fucking easy thing to do.
03:50:08.300
Co-parenting is when the mother and father are not married to each other.
03:50:12.760
Co-parenting is when we're not together and we co-parent.
03:50:35.600
Yeah, I just didn't think it was going to, like, be, like, a four-hour situation type of
03:50:41.200
Okay, well, is your friend just in the bathroom or something or what?
03:50:49.380
But if there's anything else that you need me to stay for, I'll stay, I can stay for it.
03:51:04.260
I know this is your guys' favorite question, huh?
03:51:42.040
You know, I've been getting tattoos since I was 13.
03:51:43.820
You think I kept track of how much money I spent?
03:52:08.560
Okay, why don't you just tell us how much longer you guys can stay?
03:52:14.520
Because I didn't realize it was already 9 o'clock and it's going to take us two and a half hours to get back.
03:52:24.620
Yeah, well, I mean, we already tried to accommodate you guys.
03:52:26.800
I mean, you guys were running a little bit late, but we already tried to accommodate you there.
03:52:34.140
Just, we would have obviously appreciated, as with most of our guests.
03:52:40.660
Is there any arrangements that you can make so you can stay for the whole show?
03:52:45.380
Maybe I should have asked ahead of time how long the podcast was going to be.
03:52:48.040
I thought it was literally only going to be two hours.
03:52:51.680
No, I mean, we typically say how long we go to.
03:52:56.440
Well, I mean, I know you're, like, a plus one to your friends.
03:53:24.340
Should I take the red pill or the blue pill, though?
03:54:00.100
Let me see if I can, if I had any notes for you guys before leaving.
03:54:08.540
I don't know why you guys think this is a joke.
03:54:21.080
I did want to ask, what plastic surgery procedures have you had?
03:54:33.460
Like, where they do lipo and they put it in your butt or whatever.
03:54:37.540
That's wild that you would ask her that question on me.
03:54:46.400
360 BBL is lipo through the stomach and the back.
03:54:56.800
Because I do a bit of research on people before they come on the show.
03:55:00.480
I went all the way to the bomb of your Instagram.
03:55:11.980
I've seen photos of myself where I'm like, holy shit.
03:55:20.560
Like, if I lost like 30 pounds, like my ass would not be this big right now.
03:55:32.840
No, I don't want to be rude either leaving the show early.
03:56:10.940
But then we'll get right back into the conversation that we were having.
03:56:25.620
The amount of jobs is going down in a lot of states.
03:56:29.840
Home prices, home prices rose and inflation is not keeping up with wages.
03:56:34.800
Should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current reflection
03:56:50.640
So should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current
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You know, I've never had a large expectation of a lot of money being laid out on dates, especially
03:57:06.800
You know, going to the beach, going to have coffee, doing things like that, going to the
03:57:14.900
I think that those are wonderful ways to get to know somebody.
03:57:19.860
When I was younger, nobody had money and we would find fun things to do.
03:57:32.580
I mean, I don't classify myself as a woman, right?
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But I do pay for dates and stuff like that, and I do plan for stuff.
03:57:42.720
So the question is, should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating
03:58:04.360
Haven't they been for, like, since, like, the, what war is it?
03:58:36.020
Because it's already, because I said it's already been happening.
03:58:40.140
Women were paying for dates in the 20s and 30s and 40s.
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Women have, I mean, kind of always been working.
03:58:56.400
You're talking about World War II when industrialists recruited women into the workforce in order to make bombs and guns and shit like that.
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What does that have to do with, like, peacetime dating or even wartime dating?
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Because I said they already have been contributing.
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Because you said inflation going up and stuff like that.
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Have you ever been on the first date and the guy paid for the whole thing?
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I can't even really think for myself, honestly.
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But I'm saying, like, if someone's like, I'll pay for this, like, you, like, let them have
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the gesture because that's just the nice and the right thing to do.
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Who's more likely to make that gesture, men or women?
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Yeah, so I'm not saying that it's the case in all scenarios, but typically men are going
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I think, yeah, that's definitely what's prevalent.
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But I feel like now, and, like, the guy wants to talk about the economy and stuff, I think
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it's okay for if a woman asks a guy out on a date and, like, she can pay.
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I don't think it really has to be about, like, the man needs to pay.
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I think we're kind of moving away from many people being, like, that's their standard idea
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I mean, I would, I don't know if they've done studies on this, but let's, let's assume
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Is that a large enough, I mean, let's, let's, I would suspect most conservative women would
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Because I've gone probably on at least 30 to 50 dates.
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Me and my ex were broke and we both always went half.
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And then I actually supported my fiance for a long time while he went on a walkabout.
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So I think that it just depends what culture you're dealing with and what country you're
04:01:34.440
So this is, this is the study which was requested on this.
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Researchers found that young men, this is Gen Z, paid for all or most of the dates around
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90 to 95% of the time, while women paid only about 2%.
04:02:01.880
I will say my boyfriend definitely does pay for a lot of our food dates.
04:02:14.380
So how many times have you guys gone out for food?
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We don't really go out for like official date dates though.
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But like if we do go out for like a date, like when we would, like he normally would
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pay, like he, but he normally comes up to me and says like that's something he wants
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Go around the panel and ask what the profession of their last or current boyfriend is.
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Um, the person that I had like a more serious relationship was in a pretty big band.
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I had no fucking clue what my last boyfriend did.
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Probably had some like lame duck government job, but wanted to sound cool.
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Um, my boyfriend is an artist that focuses on realistic or realism, oil painting.
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Uh, my boyfriend works with produce, but then he makes like sound production for musical artists.
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And like, he makes his own like beats and raps.
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My boyfriend helps manage restaurants in the area.
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My husband flips houses and we bought a couple of RV parks together.
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And, uh, he's currently working in disaster cleanup work where he's on Maui.
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And he's working on the Lahaina wildfire cleanup.
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And so where's all the nerds, where's all these, what's very, what's very interesting
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And I think actually a lot of the pushback was from this area of the table here.
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You're dating an artist dating or, or while you, uh, I guess the X for you was a rapper.
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And then actor kind of proves my point a little bit.
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I'd like to say that being a rapper has a lot to do with being like a autistic, poetic, like very good.
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Wait, is your, is your boyfriend make the same kind of rap as Lil Wayne?
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I'm, this is what I'm saying is that to be some type of creative artist, you have to
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be in, in some type of like hyper-focus in that subject.
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Like there's, there's not a single one of you who named what I would consider a dorky
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I do jujitsu coach and I'm a restaurant manager.
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Wouldn't you be just as likely to meet a nerdy guy as to meet a rapper?
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But at a restaurant, like the people I interact with are not, they're not like that.
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And I feel like it's, it's like kind of like how it is nowadays.
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It's kind of like a lot of relationships kind of seem to happen online.
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No, because I mean, look, there's, there's different degrees of lyricism within the rap
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So you have these like mumble rappers where it's totally incoherent.
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It's just like vague noises that they're making.
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That's more like, that's more like ski mask or like, I wouldn't say like, I definitely
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I mean, everyone starts out as that, don't they?
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I wouldn't say, like, I would say like, I understand what you mean by that, like mumble
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rap, but he was definitely more invested than that.
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I would like to bring up where, were we saying that like musicians can't be nerdy or like we're
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saying they don't qualify as nerdy because like my boyfriend, like he, he does like rap.
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Like he is so focused on like making his little noises on his computer.
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Like he gets into that, like a video gamer gets into his games.
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Like, I think he's a cute little music nerd boy making his music all day.
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I also think that like a lot of like musicians play like Yu-Gi-Oh, all that lame shit.
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So like, I mean, you can't really just say where's the nerds out there and they're hidden.
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Like that, that's not a quality anymore of what a nerd is or isn't.
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We're talking about a profession which would be associated with dorks, right?
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That would be, you know, something, something in regards to tech, technology, you know, something
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revolving around computers, something revolving around board game design.
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They're doing it in a strategy, like a strategy type of way or whatever.
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My kid's dad works in IT and I have two daughters.
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And it's like, we're totally talking about, like, physicists and engineers and mathematicians.
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Before I met my boyfriend and I was dating online, I didn't really meet anybody who was
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I, like, met one guy, but it just didn't work out because we didn't have same interests
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Isn't the definition of a nerd also, like, really invested in a specific thing, right?
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Like, it's not necessarily, like, oh, I love math, you know?
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So it's like, okay, you can be, I guess, a football star who becomes a software engineer.
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But that wouldn't make you a nerd because there's no kind of deviation.
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Maybe they don't have great social skills, this kind of thing.
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They are heavily invested generally in kind of these alternative things, maybe whatever's
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cutting edge or something they can use their brain to go after.
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And what's interesting about your answers is you're not kind of giving us the insight
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into the profession where we'd be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense that a nerd would
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A socially awkward kind of, you know, maybe lanky.
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I was just going to say my daughters have often schooled me on the differences between
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And so, I mean, I think some of what Andrew's talking about is what I would call a dork.
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The nerds are the academics, but the dorks are the socially awkward.
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And aren't they usually socially awkward, academics?
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But, I mean, aren't the academics, the nerds, socially awkward?
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Well, who's the Omega Chad nerd that you can think of?
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I knew a lot of guys like that that were nerds that were also still chads.
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So, we never even finished going around the table on the better looking in 10 years thing.
04:12:04.540
You made a comment about hair and it being, it seemed to me that your leaning was that
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men who are attracted to women with little or no body hair, that's some sort of pathology.
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Or men who prefer women who, for example, shave down there, that is maybe weird.
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I'm not saying, I'm saying that societally, like, that's, that's been what it, that's obviously what it is.
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Like, right, so what's the implication on the individual level in terms of your, your judgment of men who have this preference?
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I wouldn't say I would give, like, a strict, like, straight up, like, that's my judgment.
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I'm just saying, in society, like, that's what we, that's what they value.
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You said it was infant, like, they want infants, is that?
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They want infants, is that kind of what you're getting at?
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That they're, that they're attracted to children, that they're PDF.
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Yeah, but is that your, is that essentially what your suggestion is?
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That men who are attracted to women with little or no body hair, or who shave their hair, they are, it's really just, these are terrible men who are PDF files.
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I'm saying that it could be subconscious, because it is through society, like, it's a system.
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Like, it could be a subconscious thing, like, just because you don't like hair, doesn't mean, it doesn't necessarily correlate.
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So, subconsciously, they're, this is what he, what he's trying to get at.
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Are you saying that the correlate of hairless, they're associating with child?
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You mean, like, I would say, kind of, yeah, that you're, I don't know, I know, but let's let her, let's let her say.
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I don't understand the question, really, you mean, like, like, like, you're associating, like, like, women with, like, who are shaved, give, like, a child, like, like.
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Okay, so do you think that men are attracted to women who are hairless because they're infantilizing and giving them a childlike persona?
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I'm saying it's pushed on by society to, like, younger women.
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I'm saying that it's a, it's something that's been instilled, kind of, by society.
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Because younger women can have children, right?
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Yeah, but I think that she's a threat, but I'm asking something further.
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Do you, do you believe that evolution is a fact?
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You can't evolve if you don't reproduce, can you?
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But with absent reproduction, there is no, there is no evolution.
04:15:21.520
So the primary edict of evolution is reproduction, right?
04:15:27.820
Yeah, so if that is true, which women, which tier of women are going to be able to reproduce the best?
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Women in their 20s, women in their 30s, or women in their 40s?
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Obviously, it's going to be women in their 20s.
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So then evolutionarily, why wouldn't males be more attracted to the women who are going to reproduce the most?
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You still won't answer the, I don't mind if you qualify and then tell me where I'm wrong or right or this or that,
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but I would appreciate if you would actually answer the question I ask, and I'll do you the same service.
04:16:01.020
So my question is, if women in their 20s produce the most children,
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wouldn't it follow logically that men would be attracted to women in their 20s as they're the ones who reproduce the most?
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So then I don't understand how this is associated with infantilization or PDF or anything.
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Because I think what she's saying is like we've moved on from just viewing people as like reproduction objects,
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How do you figure that we've moved on from reproduction?
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No, that's not what I said or meant, even if that's how it came across.
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When we're talking about like evolution and the primary goal is to like keep creating and blah, blah, blah.
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So like you're talking about that, yes, like that would make men like more attracted to younger women who are more fertile.
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I get that, but she's trying to bring a different like context to that.
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Like she's not just saying like this is like an evolutionary factor.
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And I'll even steel man it to make sure that you guys know that I understand what she's saying.
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She's saying that socially and societally it is pushed upon men to be attracted to younger women.
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What I'm saying, though, is that it's actually the inverse, that the, from your worldview, would be the evolutionary need to reproduce, which informs society, not society, which is informing you to be attracted to these younger women.
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And so what I'm looking for is an argument to that.
04:17:47.960
So that's kind of like, then why would it be pushed upon in the last, like, 30 years to be, to, like, yes.
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You think that it's only pushed upon in the last 30 years that older men like to fuck young hot women, really?
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If men want to have sex with younger women, why are they wanting to have sex with them?
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What would be the mechanism from which informs them to have sex with younger women?
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You're trying to, like, feed me an answer that I'm not, like, that's not my answer.
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The thing, it's not some weird subconscious, like, reproduced type shit.
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I think that men will tell you, I want to fuck young hot women.
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And I think the reason that they want to fuck young hot women is because young hot women have lots of babies.
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Otherwise, why would they be attracted to them?
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Why do the studies say that they end up dating the women around their age, though?
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Because of the pool in which is available to them.
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However, when the pool expands and they can choose younger women, they do.
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Do you think women are attracted to men who have lots of money?
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Why is it then, you know, if women actually wanted to date billionaires,
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well, why is it that they end up dating people kind of, generally speaking, in their socioeconomic range?
04:19:55.080
But if they could date a billionaire, would they?
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Well, but personality would also be, like, a factor and everything.
04:20:04.580
It would be a factor, but wouldn't you, like, rather go for someone who had more money than, like...
04:20:09.520
Right, but you're saying, okay, well, why aren't...
04:20:12.980
Because what if, like, despite men's desires, if you're a 50-year-old man, the reality is
04:20:19.500
most 20-year-old women don't want to date 50-year-old men.
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Unless he's, like, really maintained his looks and he's bringing status or something else to the table.
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But the reality is, just because you want something doesn't mean you can get it.
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So if they could, though, if 50-year-old men, regardless of their shortcomings, could be
04:21:07.460
I just don't agree with your statement and you're, like, trying to force me to, like,
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I mean, you can be delusional about it, but the reality is...
04:21:17.600
This is like, if I were to make your same sort of position here, if I were to say, if
04:21:22.340
you were to sit there and tell me, yeah, Brian, you know, women are attracted to billionaires.
04:21:47.800
So, you girls that don't think that that's, like, a thing or whatever, by the time you're
04:21:53.000
my age, you will believe what he just said about if the men could pick, if they could
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I'd like to see, like, the cold-hearted facts on that.
04:22:12.120
You showed me a picture of Tim, like, from Spider-Man or something.
04:22:16.940
Did you not see the data that showed men as the age?
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I mean, besides physical appearance, can you articulate to me?
04:22:28.420
Like, he would just leave you for someone that's younger?
04:22:30.320
No, he wouldn't leave me for someone that's younger.
04:22:33.300
No, but most men would, if they had the preference between an older woman and a younger woman,
04:22:41.160
like, from scratch, they would pick the younger woman to be more.
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They would pick the younger woman as being more attractive.
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It doesn't mean that that's who they want for a life partner.
04:22:55.260
Yeah, well, it doesn't mean that that's who they want for a life partner.
04:23:00.440
You don't want your life partner to be attractive.
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I'll just give you anecdotal experience from myself.
04:23:07.560
Do you think that women my age are offering, like, orders of magnitude more in terms of their behavior and demeanor and personality than a 25-year-old?
04:23:22.120
Why don't you answer my question before asking me a question?
04:23:28.100
You think 35-year-old women across the border offering more to me in terms of their personality and their behavior and how they conduct themselves than a 25-year-old?
04:23:42.600
So, 35 years old, you have gone through and experienced different things that make you understand, like, who you are and what you value.
04:24:00.240
When you're 25, you don't even necessarily know who you are.
04:24:05.600
The prefrontal cortex is fully developed at 25.
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You haven't been through as much experience as that 35, right?
04:24:28.940
I absolutely follow what you're saying, but I'm sitting here as a man telling you, I don't...
04:24:36.180
Most men don't give a fuck about your experiences, most of which involve trauma and baggage.
04:24:53.100
I just articulate the actual experience that would make me more attracted to a girl.
04:25:03.880
So, the fact that you're saying that right now is so fucking cringe and weird.
04:25:08.800
The fact that you're saying when you're 25, you're more attracted to that person because
04:25:23.100
The thing is, is what Brian is saying is that men value the experiences of women less than
04:25:31.900
That can grow over time where you value them for other things other than just their physical
04:25:36.880
But it seems apparent to me, and it's apparent according to this study that I have pulled
04:25:46.740
So, when they're investigating the age span, women reported a narrow age range than men.
04:25:54.640
We also show that men's age range widens as they get older, meaning they still have a
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Doesn't mean they can get them, but they still have a preference.
04:26:06.840
Perhaps your prefrontal cortex is not completely developed yet, but the gal next to you is going
04:26:27.940
So, the reasoning from your worldview would be due to reproduction.
04:26:43.540
They don't want all the older women that have marriage.
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Even the stripper admitted dating is harder 30 plus as a woman.
04:27:06.220
Like, do you think that all women at 25, their personality is just like dog shit.
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And then at 35, they're magically the best partners ever.
04:27:21.820
What I've actually experienced is as women get older, they tend to get actually more malevolent
04:27:31.500
Like, because you look pretty malevolent right now.
04:27:33.900
Sure, if a woman doesn't want to date me because I'm more jaded and I've had more experiences,
04:27:49.860
He's having a straight-up conversation with you where he's explaining...
04:28:05.260
Like, why would a girl that age want to date you then?
04:28:11.000
I'm about to leave because this is really dumb.
04:28:14.760
No, your conversation you're having, first of all, the way that you spoke...
04:28:27.580
I mean, the way you're talking about women in their 30s is absolutely disgusting.
04:28:40.320
Like, you're making these blanket general statements about women that's absolutely disgusting.
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I wish you loved what I'm feeling and I'm about to leave because I don't want to be around you.
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I'm just going to test your logic really quick.
04:29:05.400
Do you think that women in their 20s generally have less baggage than women in their 30s?
04:29:11.940
I think women in their 20s have less baggage than their 30s.
04:29:15.200
I think it depends on a woman because I feel in my heart...
04:29:24.800
Do you think that generally women who are in their 30s have more baggage than women in their 20s?
04:29:32.440
Before you say your thing, let me actually just not make this a gendered thing.
04:29:40.920
As you get older, you go through more experiences.
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So both men and women accrue trauma and baggage as they age.
04:29:53.140
In recent years, I've dealt with very difficult things that I didn't deal with a while back.
04:30:04.000
I'm gendering it because, yes, I'd rather date somebody who's perhaps in their...
04:30:08.280
You know, a younger woman who's maybe 25, for example.
04:30:18.200
So it's not like I'm exclusively going after, like, college girls.
04:30:24.360
But what I am saying is, is that if they want to date me and I want to date them, I don't see any problem with dating a 25-year-old.
04:30:39.500
I mean, we are talking about generalizations here.
04:30:42.200
Obviously, there's women in their 30s who are virgins.
04:30:50.860
It's disgusting that I'm talking about body count.
04:30:53.420
Like, realistically speaking, a woman at 35 is going to have more bodies than however many bodies she had at 25.
04:31:00.860
But you're valuing a woman because of her body count, her baggage.
04:31:22.260
With the same logic, who would want to date you then?
04:31:28.700
I know, but I'm lucky to use that logic on yourself, though.
04:31:34.240
People who are women who are interested in resources?
04:31:37.100
Because you're saying, like, people that are younger are better.
04:31:42.500
These are people who I'm choosing to date or not to date.
04:31:47.680
And first off, actually, yes, plenty of women don't want to date me because of this podcast.
04:31:55.820
If you don't like my viewpoints on political things or my viewpoints on gender dynamics,
04:32:07.520
I think you're allowed to have your personal preference.
04:32:19.580
That's one of the aspects of the general essence of what I was saying.
04:32:23.560
I was disgusted in the way in which you were...
04:32:31.540
You were focusing your conversation directed exactly at women and women only.
04:32:41.660
You were generalizing it towards all women only and not like men or on the other hand where...
04:32:47.140
Well, I do want to qualify that I don't share Brian's opinion on this.
04:32:50.980
I do think that men, as they get older, do have less baggage than women generally.
04:32:58.880
And I do think that, generally speaking, if we're generalizing again, men tend to have less baggage in their 30s and 40s.
04:33:06.320
It's far less, in fact, because they become much more resource rich.
04:33:09.760
And as you know, money can solve a lot of problems.
04:33:12.100
And so I do think that they end up with less baggage than women.
04:33:16.920
I personally think, for me, and I'm going to say this word again that you guys don't like, but in the sphere of consciousness that I focus on, the people that I'm surrounded by have...
04:33:34.520
You mean like they don't care if a woman's had gang bangs and slept with like 30, 40, 50, 60, 100 dudes?
04:33:41.640
I'm talking about being able to, when it comes to perceived baggage, I'm saying the ability as you grow as a human in age, physical age, that you grow within your being.
04:33:54.240
So you mentioned body count, or you mentioned you thought my view was disgusting for a couple reasons.
04:34:00.020
One, that I judge women, I would perhaps not date a woman because of her body count and because of her baggage.
04:34:05.120
If I didn't want to date a woman because she stubbed her toe once and she yelped out, what would actually be wrong with that?
04:34:15.000
Like make an actual argument, make an actual argument why, perhaps you find that absurd, but make an actual argument for why it would be wrong and disgusting for me to not want to date a woman who once stubbed her toe.
04:34:30.500
Yeah, everybody's got their personal preferences.
04:34:33.420
But so, okay, so what is, so is it wrong, but is it, why is it, why is it, then, I mean, that was an extreme example.
04:34:40.740
Why is it disgusting for me to disregard a woman in terms of my dating prospects because she has baggage?
04:34:50.060
What I said, no, what I said in terms of disgusting is that you were focusing on specifically women and not as a general statement for women and men.
04:35:04.560
Well, the only reason, the only reason that he changed it was to say.
04:35:08.560
But I don't, I don't even, well, maybe you can help me out here because I don't actually understand.
04:35:13.360
I thought I was tracking with you, but now I actually, now I actually don't understand.
04:35:22.640
My P3N1S finds itself confused by this paradox.
04:35:27.760
Younger women should have less baggage, but these chicks are so toxic, I suddenly find myself extremely attracted to slightly older detectives.
04:35:44.540
I was, I was tracking everything you were saying.
04:35:52.940
Obviously, women don't only look for money, but money is important.
04:36:00.240
You can push forward to change, but also have to exist and live with what's now.
04:36:08.340
I don't actually understand what the problem is if you're having a conversation, you're focusing on just generalizations for women only and you're not bringing up men.
04:36:18.640
I actually don't even know why that's a problem.
04:36:20.580
Because it, it's vice, it works both ways for men and women.
04:36:27.120
But if the, if the topic, like if you're talking about dogs.
04:36:31.320
We were having, we were having, if we're having a conversation about dogs and I say, okay, we're going back and forth about all the problems that dogs have and this and that.
04:36:41.020
Would you then say, would you then say, but this also applies to cats and it offends me that we're not bringing up cats as well as dogs.
04:36:51.160
But the thing was that we weren't talking about specifically women.
04:36:55.880
But that's what your objection was, was that you were only, he was only talking about women.
04:36:59.940
But he does that, he'll bring up the most outlandish examples.
04:37:07.860
He was specifically talking about women, but the overall arching chart topic we were talking about was dating in general.
04:37:13.880
It was not focused specifically on women until Brian made it that way.
04:37:24.920
Because I want to focus on both ends because you guys always focus on women all the time and not on the other opposite side of the scale.
04:37:34.340
It's totally fair to say, I would also like to talk about men.
04:37:38.740
But I don't know why you would be offended if the conversation goes to generalizations about women, even after talking about men.
04:37:47.120
I don't think that it's all just about, like, I think it's the way he speaks about women in many contexts on the show.
04:38:05.300
The things that he brings back, the way he counters.
04:38:15.020
Like, I'm not saying anything bad, but I'm just, like, this is just kind of facts of this show.
04:38:19.560
Like, so people can feel uncomfortable by that.
04:38:27.480
I don't know if you guys were talking about Andrew or me.
04:38:33.500
You also said that men who like, who are attracted to women, who you pathologized men who are attracted to women with little or no body hair.
04:38:53.380
But if you're, like, projecting this onto yourself, then that's on you.
04:38:58.340
So you think men who prefer women who are, like, shaved down there, their PDF files?
04:39:05.380
But I think a lot, there is a lot going on with that correlation of, like, children.
04:39:11.000
I just want to hear you say that homosexual men who prefer their partners to be shaved are correlated with PDF files.
04:39:25.080
Yeah, I know, but go ahead and say it because, remember, we're talking about everybody, right?
04:39:29.260
So homosexual men, that their male partners are shaved, you're going to correlate them with PDF files just like you just did with straight men, right?
04:39:39.180
If I'm using that in the context of saying that one of the partners is much younger and the other is much older.
04:39:49.520
Hold on. A 35-year-old man dating a 35-year-old woman could prefer his 35-year-old girlfriend to be shaved.
04:39:56.020
So it has nothing to do with age. You're shifting the goalposts.
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I'm not saying that it is always in that or that it's always at age.
04:40:02.280
It has nothing. No, a 35-year-old man could want his 35-year-old girlfriend shaved.
04:40:07.700
You're shifting the goalposts. It had nothing to do with age. It never did.
04:40:12.000
We were talking about body hair. It has nothing to do with age.
04:40:14.900
Yeah, but it still could be subconscious, though, in your mind just because you're both dirty.
04:40:20.080
I could just... I mean, here's your... Okay, do you want to finish your thought?
04:40:26.980
Women who aren't attracted... This is your argument.
04:40:29.900
Women who aren't attracted to men with beards are PDF files.
04:40:34.040
If you prefer your man clean-shaven as a woman, you're a PDF file.
04:40:50.940
You're not even trying to understand what I said.
04:40:52.160
Women who don't like men with beards are just PDF files.
04:41:18.520
It doesn't mean you're consciously, like, actively a freaking pedophile.
04:41:27.440
I just want to make sure, though, you do not associate the men being attracted to younger
04:41:34.500
women who have all of their body hair shaved with any sort of PDF file.
04:41:43.500
I said in a broader sense in society, that is the value, youth.
04:42:01.720
Do you in any way associate men who prefer women with zero body hair to be associated with
04:42:17.840
And then going over to the gal on the white top, do you?
04:42:32.160
What is the problem with men preferring women to shave down there?
04:42:41.120
She was talking about, like, the social construct of it and how there's, like, problems in our
04:42:48.860
Like, she's not trying to make this every man's problem.
04:42:53.200
Like, I thought we were just trying to have a full conversation.
04:42:53.700
You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying right now.
04:42:59.120
Maybe I can try to understand this a little better.
04:43:02.960
If a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to shave down there and prefers women who are not
04:43:10.860
hairy, is that of the nature of being a PDF file...
04:43:21.240
And would you say that that is also equally true of...
04:43:26.560
Would you say that that's also, then, true of homosexual men who like...
04:43:33.560
But are you saying that that is also associated with homosexuals who have that preference?
04:43:42.200
No, but if they do prefer it, if they do prefer it, just like a straight man...
04:43:48.020
Would you associate that with PDF file activity?
04:43:55.660
I really want an actual answer to the question that I'm asking.
04:43:58.660
Like, it's literally the same answer each time.
04:44:01.980
Just like he said, it's not about gender, but suddenly it is.
04:44:09.260
You're, like, making it about homosexuals, and then you're like, oh, it's not about that.
04:44:11.280
Well, because I don't understand the distinction.
04:44:13.820
If it applies to straight men, then it would also apply to homosexual men, right?
04:44:17.940
Can you just accept my answer as broader society?
04:44:33.000
You're trying to, like, get me in this, like, web of, like, answer that I'm not going to say.
04:44:37.220
It's because I really do feel like I understand your position, and I'm going to repeat your position verbatim.
04:44:42.720
Your position is there's a greater social push on men inside of the United States, the country you and I live in,
04:44:51.040
for men to go after these beauty standards, which include women who are shaved in various places.
04:45:10.000
I'm willing to grant all of this, but I just want to hear you say that I understand your argument and am trying to understand your argument.
04:45:25.640
They have the balls still, where you can go to a ball and, like, get a teenage bride.
04:45:31.720
You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined.
04:45:36.820
So, anyway, I'm just saying, I did repeat your argument back to you, pretty much verbatim.
04:45:47.840
And I am trying to understand what you're saying.
04:45:54.040
No, so I can just repeat your argument back to you verbatim.
04:45:56.560
You agree I repeated it back verbatim, but I'm still not trying to understand it?
04:46:05.620
As society, it doesn't mean you're a direct pedophile.
04:46:11.040
Because your answer makes no sense to me, I don't need to accept it as being true.
04:46:23.940
What's wrong with me questioning the position if I don't agree with it?
04:46:28.180
Because you're mischaracterizing my whole position.
04:46:49.000
I mean, I do actually, I have two things, two more things on this.
04:46:54.680
So, the example I gave where does, do adult women having a preference for men who are clean
04:47:01.080
shaven is that of the nature of them, of women, being PDF files.
04:47:11.320
For women, but it does correlate for men who prefer...
04:47:16.400
Wait, but, okay, so, what do you mean correlated?
04:47:21.820
I never said it correlates directly to you being a PDF file.
04:47:25.800
Okay, so let me talk on the individual level, then.
04:47:27.740
A man who is attracted or prefers a woman, who shaves down there, has little or no body
04:47:34.080
hair, is that of the nature of him perhaps being a PDF file?
04:47:43.940
It is in the nature of a pedophile because they value youth.
04:48:10.020
So then, but then it's the same for women, too, who don't like men with beards.
04:48:22.700
When you say it doesn't correlate, but does it correlate when men prefer that in women?
04:48:28.680
I literally will say the same verbatim, same answer.
04:48:43.200
It's like if I say society, in a broader sense, likes it when women wear pink.
04:48:54.020
No, it doesn't mean that if you value that thing, that you automatically are that thing.
04:49:00.520
I didn't say that because you value a thing, you are that thing or not that thing.
04:49:04.620
I'm saying that for you to say it's not a correlate because society is pushing it,
04:49:40.800
Correlation, mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.
04:49:46.220
Do you object to men having a preference for women who are clean shaven?
04:49:54.400
I'm saying that's like what society values youth.
04:50:03.640
You also mentioned when I said something along the lines of I'm 35, something about dating
04:50:13.100
Because the way you said, the way you phrased it, you said.
04:50:16.840
You said, I'd rather date someone who's 25 because they have less baggage.
04:50:25.160
Because my question was like, why, why would that be the case?
04:50:31.960
Why would it be the case that when you're, when you having lived less, 10 years less, why
04:50:41.800
would it be the case that you have less baggage?
04:50:44.200
But you said you've been through a lot of trauma too, right?
04:50:49.300
If a woman chooses to disqualify me because of either perceived or real baggage, I don't
04:51:02.300
If like for most men, if a woman doesn't want to date them, like we, we kind of accept it.
04:51:08.100
Like we accept, for example, that women prefer tall men.
04:51:13.580
But you can't seem to like, for you, you would want to fight somebody on it.
04:51:18.260
Like, oh, you don't want to date me because of this.
04:51:21.520
If a girl doesn't want to date me, she can, she could not want to date me for any reason.
04:51:31.080
If specific women or groups of women don't want to date me for, they might not want to
04:51:40.840
I'm saying on the point that you're making, the exact point that you're making, you're
04:51:44.940
saying that like, yes, if a woman, if someone is younger, they have a baby.
04:51:56.240
Because it, it, it, it like, like someone said before, I don't know who it was, but like,
04:52:01.840
just because you've been through trauma doesn't mean you're still traumatized.
04:52:05.760
Like you can be healed and like better from that.
04:52:13.640
So would it be wrong for me to not want to date somebody who's dealing, who's still
04:52:20.020
No, I think, I think, uh, what's, I think we all actually agree on this.
04:52:25.320
It's just kind of being misconstrued the way everyone's saying it.
04:52:30.040
If you don't want to date someone because you feel like they have a trauma that get infringes
04:52:34.080
on your relationship, I a hundred percent agree on that.
04:52:39.940
You don't want to date a guy who's going through some shit?
04:52:45.580
But we're just going to like, that's a hundred percent true.
04:52:50.420
Because the way you phrased it, you said, I'd rather date someone who's 25.
04:52:57.100
Maybe you mean someone in general that doesn't have that much baggage.
04:53:05.800
It could possibly be, well, at least for me, it's just a generalized statement saying
04:53:11.140
that generally, I understand though, it's true.
04:53:13.740
When you're older, you go through things that can be traumatizing, but that doesn't inherently
04:53:19.320
mean just because you're older, you have more baggage.
04:53:24.720
But I think that's with me and you, that's the only thing that I'm talking about here.
04:53:27.920
I'm not talking about anyone else's opinions here.
04:53:30.180
I'm saying with that, but I agree with everything.
04:53:47.540
We were just trying to, so the whole point of this, if you make a claim, we just want
04:53:53.920
I just want to know why it is you think, what you think, and why you think it.
04:53:57.940
The same way when you say to Brian, hey, this is cringe, that's you saying, okay, I think
04:54:04.000
this thing, I'm making this claim, I think that this is off-putting or there's something
04:54:09.120
So, he makes the inquiry, what about it is bad?
04:54:11.600
Tell me, tell me what about it you find off-putting or disturbing or something like this.
04:54:19.120
I don't even see why anybody would be upset with this.
04:54:33.360
I'm saying on your videos that go viral, like, let's read the comments and see why people
04:54:37.500
are upset in the way in which you present your point.
04:54:40.560
You're like, oh, I'd rather do someone who's 25.
04:54:43.180
Like, why do you think people are pissed at you?
04:54:55.700
If you look at it, then why do you suck at it so bad?
04:55:09.740
I literally want to know why you think what you think and how you came to those conclusions
04:55:26.080
Maybe you are and you're just amazing at arguing.
04:55:27.780
You'll never know because you'll never concede ever.
04:55:30.440
I would never be able to determine that in a million years, though, if I can't get a
04:55:34.280
contrary worldview from you, which is superior to my own.
04:55:38.560
But wait, so you said you want to wait and see for the comments.
04:55:44.900
And yeah, you know, there's definitely been some viral clips.
04:55:49.200
I meant like I meant like why do you think the way people respond like we like let's be
04:55:54.220
real like why do you think that people respond in the way they respond to you?
04:55:59.460
You can't just like shut out every criticism because then you'd be literally a psychopath
04:56:02.680
if you just shut out all criticism and was like, I'm just going to exist and never take
04:56:06.720
what someone says about me with a grain of salt at least.
04:56:14.320
Like it's not tone policing like this random person is saying.
04:56:19.280
But you said like, oh, the people are like this random person over here saying that she
04:56:25.440
That makes it sound like younger women are easier to manipulate is what you're pretty
04:56:39.060
It's actually interesting because you, I mean, you kind of, I think, accused me earlier of
04:56:43.780
like painting, like putting words in your mouth.
04:56:56.640
Wouldn't somebody who's going through, like who's not stable, be easier to manipulate?
04:57:02.120
Somebody who has a lot of baggage is easier to manipulate.
04:57:05.300
Somebody who's not steadfast and is not really grounded, aren't they easier to manipulate?
04:57:23.920
Somebody who's emotionally stable is less easy to manipulate than somebody who's like,
04:57:42.580
When you don't know anything, you're like, you're just, you're just better at everything in life.
04:57:50.260
When you haven't experienced things and gone through things.
04:57:51.860
What I'm saying, what I'm saying is actually, what I'm saying is actually that someone who is emotionally stable and healthy, has healthy relationships, hasn't been, you know, hurt or abused or doesn't have divorces under their belt and all these emotional scars and damage, they're more confident.
04:58:15.960
They're less easy to pull the wool over their eye.
04:58:19.920
And this is the difference between what I wouldn't call what Andrew was saying earlier about engineers or IT people being wise.
04:58:29.640
Intelligence, you know, and wisdom and degrees are all different, right?
04:58:34.360
But life experience, you see her nodding when I'm saying this.
04:58:37.800
When you, when you are healthy and stable and strong, you are much less likely to be taken advantage of because you don't have these needs, these, wait, you don't have these needs and insecurities and all these issues that are plaguing your mind and your thoughts filtering through everything coming into your brain.
04:58:59.980
All right, you have more stability and groundedness in yourself and you understand, you can see it more.
04:59:08.560
I'd argue the same thing at the opposite point.
04:59:14.280
But here's the issue is that you seem to be getting so angry and upset and I don't understand why.
04:59:22.580
Because he, he literally said that women who are younger have less baggage.
04:59:29.700
That is, there's nothing wrong with that statement.
04:59:32.500
And in my mind, I was thinking, well, that's true of just people in general.
04:59:35.520
And then immediately he said, well, that's true for men too, you know?
04:59:41.460
The older you live, the more people you know that die.
04:59:44.640
You know, in my, in my late twenties, I had five people in my immediate family pass away.
04:59:50.680
Do you think that that was not baggage going into my thirties that made it hard in relationships?
05:00:04.700
But he was listing things like body counts going up.
05:00:16.200
You know, a million things bad can happen in life in a decade of living.
05:00:23.040
Are you discounting being a human and having a human experience as worthy?
05:00:32.320
I'm saying I understand his point, which was it's simpler.
05:00:43.160
You are not intellectually nuanced by being intentionally evasive.
05:00:46.520
You are broadcasting your inability to grasp basic concepts and arguments.
05:00:59.120
I mean, it's not about valuations on the life experiences.
05:01:07.460
I have a lot of experiences that have translated into wisdom that I can impart to all my stepkids.
05:01:27.720
And the wise person is going to learn from other people's mistakes and bad experiences.
05:01:33.580
A smart person will learn from their own, right?
05:01:35.880
But a wise person is going to learn from other people's and not have to experience it.
05:01:40.000
And God willing, nothing bad ever happened to you.
05:01:42.800
But the longer you live, the more people you're going to know who pass away.
05:01:46.640
That's what this tattoo is for here is one of my girlfriends.
05:01:52.620
It's so much harder to date when you have children and co-parenting and all of those things.
05:01:58.340
And the older you get and your beauty is going down, you have to have a lot of resilience.
05:02:03.840
You have to have wisdom and character and fun, amazing personality.
05:02:10.260
At the end of the day, in the beginning of the day, what are men attracted to?
05:02:15.000
He's not saying that he wouldn't choose somebody as a wife unless they were 25 and unless they had no baggage.
05:02:22.320
He's just saying that's what men are attracted to because it's easy.
05:02:55.680
I mean, it's not as complicated because when you have children, when you have families, when you've lived a bit and experienced hardships or challenges, it is exhausting, right?
05:03:11.260
But when you're with someone young, you feel more youthful.
05:03:14.260
You feel like, oh my God, this is like, I get to have fun again.
05:03:17.120
So they don't have to deal with the hard realities.
05:03:19.160
And I don't want to date a man that has baggage, like an older man that hasn't dealt with their exes, hasn't dealt with good parenting.
05:03:33.220
So I can see Brian's point of view of wanting to be attracted and date someone younger because it is-
05:03:42.360
But it's also because it's just a few moments of just enjoying life.
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And sometimes younger people enjoy life a little bit better than someone older because older, you're dealing with so much crap.
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And it's nice to actually, I mean, let's enjoy this moment of us being here together because life is short.
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You can be friends with someone one day and then they're like, you know, dead.
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The vast majority of 40-year-old men have no chance getting a girl in college.
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I want to get around to everybody, but first I got to read two chats.
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If men that like hairless women are PDF files, why do you shave?
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How many hairy armpits are on the panel tonight?
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You know, I was going to say that my grandmother told me that after World War II, all the soldiers came back from Europe,
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and that's when they wanted the women to start shaving their legs and shaving their armpits because the sex workers in France had shaved.
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Yeah, and so that's where that came back over to the U.S.
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Wait, so going around this, do you shave your legs, I guess?
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Trying to attract, trying to attract these PDF files.
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You guys are playing into this perverse societal correlation, correlate.
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I don't get how you can't agree that that's like very obvious in society.
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I'm a 35-year-old woman and young girls, and you young girls really need to take a note
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Brian would and should date someone at 20 over me at 35.
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But when I'm not here, I don't think about any of this.
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So, I give a shit for that moment, but besides that moment, I don't care.
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Because, like, I honestly am at the end of the day.
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Did we bring you down from the higher plane of consciousness?
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I brought you down from the sixth dimension of consciousness to the fourth dimension.
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My esotericism is at a plus ten right now, that's for sure.
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I feel like how can you relate then if you want to date someone that's younger, though?
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I'll engage there really quick, but I do have to move it on.
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So, you mean, like, if I was dating a 25-year-old, how would I relate to them?
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And their experience is, like, say they haven't really been through a big loss.
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How can you, like, help that person through life, too?
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Wait, but whoever said that I'm desirous of dating a partner who's had losses in their life?
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No, I said experience, like, baggage and trauma.
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If you're going to date someone who's around 25 and hasn't been through stuff like that,
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how can you, like, be a partner with that person if they've never, like, they can't help and guide?
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Because she was saying that, like, the life experience isn't on the same, like, level.
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So, you just want someone who's, like, not going to...
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Like, if you will be able to connect or something.
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What does the baggage have to do with somebody's capacity to be a partner?
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Like I said, like, we were talking about, like...
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We were talking about, like, say you lose someone...
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If you've never lost someone at 25, then how can you be a partner, be, like, the best partner for that person?
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How would the 25-year-old be a good partner for the other?
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And then that's where somebody's character is going to show.
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Because you don't build character in bad times.
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Bad times is when your character actually shows.
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So, I've had this experience with nurses, actually.
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And so, there's this idea that nurses tend to be more empathetic.
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And they're actually frequently around severe illness, death.
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And what I've actually found, having dated a couple nurses, it's not clear to me if they're more empathetic than their counterparts who are not in the healthcare field.
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Well, it's like, you can almost say that somebody who's around that stuff all the time, it actually starts to diminish.
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But maybe it's because they understand that part on a different level.
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And they're already in that, like, type of wisdom.
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Like, do you think if there's a girl who's otherwise great, great personality, attractive, but she hasn't been to a funeral, that I'm like, ah, fuck that bitch.
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But you're like, oh, well, she hasn't gone through this.
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She was asking, how is that younger person with fewer life experiences going to be a good partner to the older person?
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How are they going to know how to support that person in these life situations?
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But, I mean, I really think that it'll just come naturally to what your character is.
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Like, life is, that's one thing that you're pretty much guaranteed is you'll have plenty of opportunities to practice.
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I guess so, but I feel like you have to go through things to know where you're going to be.
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You can't just, like, that's kind of like experiencing life.
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You're going to know more than just reading a book about it.
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I actually, if I'm dating, if I'm dating a girl, I actually want to protect her from as many things as possible that could potentially hurt her.
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Like, I don't want, like, frankly, a lot of women in the entertainment industry, for example, like, the entertainment industry, super cutthroat, super toxic, a lot of, like, weird people, both men and women.
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And what I found in terms of, like, women in the entertainment industry, which is actually why I've never dated, like, a content creator or anything.
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When you, like, for example, a lawyer, for example, if a woman's an attorney, she typically becomes less of what men are typically attracted to.
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Because to be a lawyer, you have to be disagreeable, and you become well-practiced in argumentation, and I don't want to argue with a girl, and, you know, expanding beyond just a lawyer.
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Like, business women, you business the corporate world super cutthroat, super cutthroat.
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And so, you tend to become a bit more masculine.
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And so, I guess my hope would be to, I guess, protect my girl from my woman, girl, girlfriend, my woman from, like, those sorts of experiences.
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Like, I want to make enough money so my girl doesn't have to work.
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Why wouldn't you want someone to have, like, their own stance on something?
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Like, why would you want someone not to be argumentative?
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Because, so, I, a lot of men, and especially with my work, so, my work's very challenging.
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Most of the stress related to this show is actually stuff that goes on behind the scenes.
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Recently, we're not going to talk about it, but some, like, just, there's always bogus nonsense going on behind the scenes.
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And so, I'm already out in the world trying to combat with the world through my career, through my job.
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I don't want to have to contend with my partner.
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And actually, like, I don't want to, like, get into debates and argue with girls, even though it's kind of like what I do on this podcast.
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With, if I'm dating somebody, I'm never, like, I'm not arguing.
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Because I feel like someone has to, someone's compromising then in that situation.
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Yeah, that's, well, so I actually will agree with you here and give you an olive branch.
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I do think that there would be a concession, and that is submission of the woman.
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That's where, okay, that's, yeah, that's where I disagree then.
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Well, yeah, what's, what's wrong with a woman submitting to a man?
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I just don't, like, I understand, like, there can be scenarios, like, there are scenarios, like, you know, intimacy and stuff like that.
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There are scenarios where, like, that can be a thing.
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But, like, I don't, I don't know why, like, it wouldn't be valued, like, an opinion on, like, say, like, like you said, like, a debater on something.
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You can't really debate on fruit because that's, like, objective.
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So, from, from the context that I'm looking at it at, I don't believe that there's any two consciousnesses which exist.
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I don't think that there's ever going to be two people who come into contact where one doesn't ultimately end up dominating the other to some degree.
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I don't think that there's ever going to be a such thing as true equality between two people ever.
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I don't even think that such a thing is a possibility.
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So, if you're in a relationship with another person, one person is going to be the dominant head.
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Why would that person not logically be the person who is physically stronger and the person who has to go and make the bread and make the financial choices for the household?
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Well, the protector is going to be the person who ultimately is looked at as the leader and the leader of the household.
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Here's what I would be interested in hearing is what would you define as submission?
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So, I would say, like, for that, so that's, like, my issue with that is, like, you don't value my opinion on, like, you said financial decisions, right?
05:16:58.620
But you said, like, you're the dominant, like, you're the end-all, be-all.
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Well, I think you're making, like, a conflation.
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But what if we're having a conflict and I don't agree with her?
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I think right now it's the time for our family to take risk.
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And you don't think it's time for our family to take risk.
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While I value your opinion and your input, ultimately the decision falls on me to make that choice.
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And so, I'm going to lead our family towards risk, let's say.
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Let's say she says, I want to do something which is more risky to our finances.
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Ultimately, that falls on me to make that choice.
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Because there's only going to ever be one person who is the head, whether it's the woman or the man.
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I just think that it seems to be preferable that the man is the head.
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Women seem to prefer it, and men seem to prefer it.
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So, you're saying, like, if you guys have a disagreement, you're the end decision?
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That's why I wanted to know how you define submission.
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Because I do have a thought I'd like to share, but I'd like to hear your definition of it first,
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Like, at the end of the day, that's, like, the final...
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In that sense, real quick, I would just say, like, you can think about it like...
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Just think about, like, a platonic relationship, though.
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I understand in this scenario, you're not talking about that.
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But, like, in you and someone you really respect, if you want to think about someone you respect
05:18:54.540
and think about it in that type of way, I don't understand how you can respect that person
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and have them always submit to your final decision.
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Let me kind of give you an easy counter to this.
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But they're going to adhere to my word, whether I respect them or not.
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If I think that they're doing something, they're fucking up in some way.
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For instance, let's say they want to put their hand in their fire.
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I'm not going to respect them enough to let them do that.
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And they're not going to put their hand in the fire regardless of what they want.
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They're going to do what they're told because it's for their safety.
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Are you saying I don't respect them because I won't let them make decisions which are bad for them?
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The thing is, though, is that the whole night we've been hearing about how women are infantilized
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and they have to shave their body hair so that they could be more like...
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But that aside, we'll let that go for a second.
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But the point principle here is not whether or not women are children.
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I think that they are perfectly capable of making decisions and be held to account for those decisions.
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But the point still stands that if I see anybody who's fucking up and doing something which is against their own interest
05:20:35.160
and I'm responsible for their interests, then it falls as a duty to me to step in and do something about that.
05:20:45.200
That would include my brother, my sister, anybody who's an extension of my family, wouldn't it?
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But how do you trust that you have the best decision on that, then?
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How do you know that you have the best and all-be-all decision?
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And so the thing is, is that there are those who can and there are those who can't.
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Ultimately, in a family dynamic, men can do things women can't do, and women can't do very much men can't.
05:21:21.820
You may not like that truth, but all I would ask you to do to disprove this is tell me a thing which you think
05:21:29.140
that women are going to generally be better at than men inside of a home setting.
05:21:35.900
I'd like to know what that is, but I can name for you many things men are going to generally be much better at than women.
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The thing which I agree is their primary function?
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So I wanted you to hit, you know, a home run, so to speak.
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But Red Hair, can you tell me what you think that women are going to be more dominant in in the household than men?
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What they're going to be more skilled at, better at?
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Like, in an average sense, if we're talking about, like, in society, what averagely they would be maybe excelling in.
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I would also, like, I don't know, though, because, like, I feel like there's different.
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Like, I know both circumstances where, like, some women are shut down emotionally towards their children and some men aren't.
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So there's, like, roles reversed in certain ways.
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Well, I guess ultimately we can reduce it to, do you think that women are better at leading households than men?
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And so, you know, it really comes down to that.
05:23:21.820
And because of that, generally, women need to submit.
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I have a really big thing I've been waiting on.
05:23:30.400
So, basically, if you're going to trust the man to have your best interests at heart and in mind, you better be darn sure before you get into that situation.
05:23:43.400
So, don't marry the guy if his character is not the character that you can know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he would have.
05:23:58.540
But the other thing I was going to say earlier is that, actually, the scriptures, talking about Christianity, the scriptures talk about the wife submitting to her husband as the head of the family and everything, right?
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I don't think that's going to work on her that way.
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Well, I just wanted to tell her this because this is important.
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It goes to the question she had about submission.
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And the very next scripture that people don't talk about is it talks about being submissive to each other.
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And the man is supposed to be selfless, give his life for his wife.
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And the wife is supposed to give respect to her husband and submit to his final say.
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And then you're supposed to submit to each other.
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No, you're not supposed to submit to each other.
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And then you can correct me just like you ask other people to do.
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So when you're talking about submission, you made a big error here.
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You can give me the same respect as what you've been asking other people.
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Are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology?
05:25:29.600
Are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology?
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Are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology or not?
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Are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology?
05:25:47.040
And then you can correct whatever you feel like needs to be corrected.
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Anyway, as I was saying, if they disagree, and the wife feels very strongly in disagreement,
05:25:57.880
in effect, they should hold off on the decision being made.
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You're not supposed to correct men on theology.
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Aren't you supposed to be a Christian and be silent?
05:26:33.940
And that is that if a man is truly doing what the scripture says, then he is going to...
05:26:51.280
And in effect, they shouldn't have a decision being made.
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Oh, well, let's see if we can't correct some of this nonsense that she just tried to fill
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If she ever stops the woman prattle of the Protestant nonsense.
05:27:12.500
So first, let's start with wives, submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the
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Wives, submit yourself unto your own husbands as unto the Lord.
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Wives, submit yourselves unto your husband as unto the Lord.
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I'm giving you the respect of letting you speak.
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Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands as you would unto the Lord.
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Now, suddenly, when your Christian values are put up to correction from a man, suddenly,
05:28:17.020
She just doesn't feel like she needs to explain herself to you.
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Andrew, you're so offensive and embrace very simple.
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Wives, submit yourself unto your husband as unto the Lord.
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The problem is, is that you've just got what's called a false gospel.
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Wives, submit yourself unto your husbands as unto the Lord.
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You're supposed to submit yourself unto your husbands as you would unto God.
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Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years?
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Or you can just say I refuse to answer the question.
05:30:34.580
What do you think wives submit yourself unto your own husbands?
05:30:38.860
She just said she's not speaking to it, so I do have to move it on.
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I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you're correcting my theology.
05:30:47.120
I'm going to preach a false heretical doctrine.
05:30:53.040
Well, I think you're a heretic, and I want you to answer to my question.
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Woman creatures, you know, gay marriage, all this stuff.
05:31:28.140
Time permitting, we'll talk about, I guess, why it matters, because you wanted to know that.
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And so, on the left is whom men would happily partner with.
05:31:48.340
On the right, whom women would happily partner with.
05:31:50.720
So, what ends up happening, if you have a cohort of women who overestimate their physical attractiveness
05:31:58.160
and their attractiveness in general in the dating marketplace, they're going to be chasing
05:32:03.620
after men who are, not to be mean to these women, who are, quite frankly, out of their league.
05:32:09.040
And so, what ends up happening, especially with the hookup culture that we have, is women
05:32:13.320
have sexual access to men who are out of their league.
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But you can't really say the same thing about men.
05:32:18.420
Like, if a man steps to a woman who's outside of his league, he's going to get an instant
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Like, if I step to a really attractive girl, I'm getting an instant rejection.
05:32:29.220
She's not going to consider me for even a casual hookup.
05:32:33.420
Whereas men, if we encounter a woman who we deem as, and objectively, let's say objectively,
05:32:41.360
is deemed as less attractive than us, we'll still consider her for short-term sex, right?
05:32:47.000
So, what ends up happening is women of a certain attractiveness level can get sex from men outside
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What ends up happening is women will think that because I can get sex from this guy, he's
05:33:05.940
This is where women just get continuously in these situationships.
05:33:10.420
All these fuckboys, they start to actually resent men.
05:33:13.280
And so, because of that, they'll actually look at men who are on their level or in their
05:33:20.620
league as settling or below them, even though those are the men who are probably most likely
05:33:26.580
to treat them well and give them commitment and monogamy.
05:33:29.780
In addition to that, one of the major factors and differentials here is that, so, as a guy,
05:33:38.160
if I can sleep with a girl, there's a very high probability that I can get that girl into
05:33:47.060
It's not clear to me if, as a woman, just because you can fuck a guy, you can get him
05:33:56.700
I'm not saying, like, look, some women engage in hookups and they have no intention of getting
05:34:02.720
But the big thing here is, again, I'll just state it one more time.
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So, as a guy, if I can sleep with a girl, very good chance I could get her into a relationship.
05:34:11.520
But if you sleep with a guy, it's not a guarantee that you can get him into a relationship.
05:34:17.460
And so, for this reason, it's actually more important that women have a reasonable self-assessment
05:34:23.240
of their own physical attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
05:34:26.180
Otherwise, they're going to be chasing men who are, quite frankly, out of their league and
05:34:30.340
they're going to end up just either, you know, jumping from guy to guy to guy, never getting
05:34:34.340
commitment, constantly stuck in situationships.
05:34:37.900
And then they're going to eventually, you know, maybe down the road after they've had
05:34:41.380
their fun in their 20s, they'll find a guy in their 30s and then settle with him.
05:34:46.200
And it's probably not going to be a great relationship because she thinks she's settling.
05:34:50.140
She's going to be pining over one or two or three guys in her 20s who are much more attractive,
05:35:02.400
So, I would say that it would be more about your values when you equal up to a person because
05:35:08.360
wouldn't it have to do with, like, if this person values this, we don't equal, we don't
05:35:14.900
agree on the same values, then we're not going to match up.
05:35:20.200
So, if I don't value something that ends up being a long-term thing, then I'm not going
05:35:31.320
I think it has, wouldn't it have to do with values at the end of the day?
05:35:34.620
So, you're fucking men that don't have, you don't have the same values or whatever?
05:35:39.320
Yeah, if you're not in the same, yeah, if you don't have the same values but you know
05:35:44.020
they don't have the same values as you, it's not going to work out.
05:35:46.320
Or maybe people have, like, the wrong intentions going into it or think they may have the same
05:35:51.780
intentions but after certain encounters, maybe it just changes.
05:35:55.580
Have you guys, okay, have you guys had the experience of you sleep with a guy and you
05:36:01.120
really want him to be your boyfriend but he says something along the lines of, I'm just
05:36:08.220
Or he strings you along for a couple months, continues to fuck you, and then it just kind
05:36:21.780
That's you having sex with men who aren't willing to commit to you.
05:36:33.740
Right, but what I'm saying is that what that could be, what that could be is that you're
05:36:38.840
sleeping with men who are out of your league because you're attracted to them.
05:36:47.940
I don't know if that's, that's not, that's not like a proven thing.
05:36:52.700
Okay, who's more, I mean, I'll just ask you the question.
05:36:56.120
Um, if a guy can sleep with a girl, do you think he has an easier time getting her in
05:37:04.400
I would say that's probably true because a lot of women look more for relationships to
05:37:17.040
Um, I think men, especially when they're younger, aren't necessarily looking for a relationship
05:37:31.340
I think it just would be, it just would depend on what both of the values are.
05:37:44.400
Does anyone else want to respond to that statement?
05:37:46.560
I'm not sure I'm following on the values thing.
05:37:55.900
Okay, here, I'll just, let me ask you it a different way.
05:37:58.280
If you sleep with a guy, how confident, how confident are you that you can get him into
05:38:03.660
a relationship if you sleep with him, uh, within the first three days?
05:38:15.100
I wouldn't say any, anything type of confidence.
05:38:18.020
I would not even know how to answer that question because I think it's more like, it's, it's
05:38:24.800
Because then you don't know, it depends on how much we know each other.
05:38:30.240
We don't know, like, what our values are, how they align.
05:38:34.160
Like, I don't know how to answer that question.
05:38:39.080
Well, you, so you're looking at it from the point of view of would I date them or would
05:38:54.460
Um, let's say, have you ever had like a one night stand?
05:39:00.020
So, um, do you think in a, uh, actually let me frame this a little differently.
05:39:08.800
If you hook up with a guy on the second date, how confident are you that you can turn that
05:39:21.420
I think what you're saying though, is what each person wants.
05:39:29.460
Some people value the same things, but yeah, some people value relationships.
05:39:33.380
What I'm saying is like me as a guy, look, there's girls out there that just want to
05:39:39.120
Here's the other thing that I forgot to mention.
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So typically in order for a woman to sleep with a guy, the guy needs to be at least physically
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attractive enough for her to be in a relationship with him.
05:39:50.480
Whereas for a guy, we'll sleep with a girl who just based on her looks, we would immediately
05:39:57.440
disqualify for, for a relationship just based on her looks, but we'll still sleep with her.
05:40:10.580
Wait, was that just like a statement or was that like more?
05:40:15.180
Cause like, I, I feel like, yes, like what you're saying, like, like, so guys, like if
05:40:20.900
typically women will actually break a rule in the opposite direction.
05:40:24.300
So in order for a woman to have a one night stand where she otherwise wouldn't, the guy
05:40:33.580
Whereas for a guy to have a one night stand with a woman, he's actually going to go the
05:40:39.120
opposite way where he will, he will have sex with a girl who's less, less attractive than
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he would otherwise be in a long-term relationship with.
05:40:51.540
Now, if he can get a one night stand from a really hot girl, he'll do it.
05:40:58.840
Whereas when women choose to have casual sex, it typically ends up being with men who they
05:41:04.460
might not be able to get into a relationship, but they can get casual sex from him.
05:41:10.620
The silence in this room is palpable, by the way, because you all know I'm right.
05:41:17.580
I, I mean, I feel like you, you, you, you guys, it's the difference of, it's the difference
05:41:28.740
And there's a chemical reaction that happens in a woman where she has attachments after she
05:41:34.980
So it's a different brain chemistry that happens.
05:41:42.020
And, you know, that's the beauty about men and women because we have different men have
05:41:51.480
And then women have that chemistry that happens after they sleep with a man.
05:41:57.680
But I mean, just to reiterate kind of, again, what I'm saying.
05:42:00.600
So, yes, I heard what you said, like a man will sleep with someone just to have sex.
05:42:06.880
Whereas a woman has higher criteria or standards because she wants to have this man be someone
05:42:15.100
So, like, if a woman is kind of on the lookout for casual sexual encounter, like, she's going
05:42:20.620
to be, like, hyper-focused in on, like, a really hot, attractive guy if she's inclined
05:42:27.880
Whereas a guy, he's going to just be like, I'll get whatever I can take.
05:42:34.400
And so, that opens up this potential for men who are, frankly, more attractive than
05:42:41.920
a given woman to have sex with that given woman.
05:42:45.480
Maybe keep her around as a friend with benefits.
05:42:50.660
And so, that's why it's important for women to realize, again, their, how do I put this
05:43:00.720
best, their attractiveness in the dating marketplace.
05:43:04.400
So, that's why if you got a bunch of girls saying, I'm a 10, I'm a 10, I'm a 10, you're
05:43:09.020
going to be chasing after a certain caliber, a certain tier of guy who you'll never get
05:43:14.460
So, women's league is who you can get commitment from, who you can get long-term relationship
05:43:22.160
Your league is not the cohort of men who you can have sex with once or a couple times or
05:43:31.860
Whereas, for men, our league is pretty much anywhere from any girl we can have sex with.
05:43:40.160
That's our league in terms of physical appearance.
05:43:47.600
I mean, if you have a lot of guy friends, you get to hear that kind of conversation, which
05:43:54.620
And so, and I grew up with brothers that look a lot like you two.
05:44:01.240
And, you know, it's just, it's part of kind of life that guys have.
05:44:05.860
Well, do you, would you guys agree with this statement?
05:44:23.100
And yeah, I'll probably drop it for a little bit.
05:44:33.900
Guys, it has been 31 minutes since we've had a Prime.
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And let me get into some of my pre-show notes here.
05:44:57.000
Serena, you said you have way too many crazy, unique dating stories.
05:45:09.140
I lost count, but it's been a while since I've been on a first date now.
05:45:16.060
Well, isn't it, I mean, you've only been dating your guy for, well, six months.
05:45:19.940
I think after, probably after my long-term relationship, I experienced dating here and online dating.
05:45:29.720
And it was very different from growing up in a very small town.
05:45:36.300
Didn't really know what it was like to date outside of what I knew.
05:45:43.740
And you said that you wanted to talk about splitting the check.
05:45:50.700
I went on this date with a guy and I've actually never, I've never had to pay for a date before besides this one.
05:46:00.280
With your current, is this your current boyfriend?
05:46:05.700
He asked me how I felt about splitting the check.
05:46:09.700
So I was just kind of like, okay, yeah, like, I guess I'm fine with it.
05:46:15.340
I do prefer guys paying for the first date just because, like, they want, to me, it shows that they want interest to spend time with me.
05:46:23.840
I'm like, okay, well, then I want to spend time with you, too.
05:46:28.300
And instead of splitting the check, I ended up actually spending the whole, paying for the whole date.
05:46:44.400
But going in there, yeah, there was just not a second date.
05:46:53.780
It was state street, parking, duh, you don't pay for parking after 10.
05:47:00.900
I was like, okay, then I'll pay for a food shirt, go ahead.
05:47:04.220
He's like, okay, maybe he paid, like, two bucks for, like, parking.
05:47:07.080
But then I ended up spending, like, $15, $20 on food.
05:47:11.600
And you said all your other first dates, the guy always paid?
05:47:15.540
Yeah, I've offered to split or, like, offer to pay my part.
05:47:18.640
But all the guys I've been with have paid or have put my card away.
05:47:24.320
There wasn't a second date because you had to pay for the date?
05:47:31.100
It was just, I mean, I don't know if it had to be the main portion of why I didn't want to see him.
05:47:47.800
So you were upset about, essentially, the experience that all the other men that you've dated, like, you were in their shoes, basically.
05:48:03.580
I get, oh, I see what you mean by, like, expecting them to pay?
05:48:30.240
Like, I was just, like, I was in the situation, like, I guess it's already happening.
05:48:34.900
Well, especially when he asked you to, like, split it and then he's expecting you to pay everything.
05:48:40.000
Then that's kind of, like, that's more like a weasel.
05:48:51.380
I mean, he's asked to go out a couple more times, but I just want...
05:49:01.120
And so, you haven't had a lot of opportunity to speak throughout the show.
05:49:04.240
I mean, were there any of the topics that came out throughout this evening?
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I saw a couple times you leaned into the microphone, but you didn't really get a chance to speak.
05:49:14.000
So, if there's anything that you wanted to, like, touch on from previous convos.
05:49:18.760
Honestly, it's been a long couple of hours that everything's become a blob that I can't remember.
05:49:39.540
I like piggybacking off of other people's stories and listening.
05:50:03.960
In your notes, you said meeting a good guy, he will do what he wants to do?
05:50:09.540
I think my boyfriend currently has shown me what it's like to have...
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I think he's been the best guy I've ever been with because he wants to do things, even if I don't want him to.
05:50:29.580
Like, I want to show, like, I want to contribute, but he wants to just show, because he loves me.
05:50:42.820
So, wait, when you say does laundry, does his laundry?
05:50:49.300
If he has laundry, I'll, like, do his laundry, too.
05:50:51.740
But when I go over to his place, he'll just, like, oh, where's your laundry?
05:50:58.540
I'll be like, oh, but you're putting it in the wash.
05:51:11.240
And you can just take it to work, because you wake up early in the morning and commute.
05:51:18.220
And then you said, how I knew the relationship I am in right now is different.
05:51:32.340
Like, I don't like talking about my emotions or when issues come up.
05:51:36.100
Um, but when he notices things, he addresses it and is very patient with me, and I'll talk
05:51:44.580
about my feelings, and he just, thank you for letting me know how you feel.
05:51:48.780
Like, I'll try to understand where you're coming from, and I want to work on these things.
05:52:16.500
You said, uh, weird experiences, dating, and breakups before the one month?
05:52:23.560
There was a, there was a pattern where I, and maybe it's just because it was online dating.
05:52:29.460
I would meet people, talk with them for, like, three, four months, hang out, and then they'd
05:52:35.880
want a relationship, and I'm like, mm, okay, sure, like, I'll try this out.
05:52:43.360
And it just ends up being at the one month that something just goes wrong, and they're
05:53:04.660
You said you wanted to talk about red flags, hookup phases?
05:53:07.960
Um, I think my first time hooking up with someone after the three-year relationship, it
05:53:16.160
was, I've, I guess back then I had a type, and I matched with my type, and I was like,
05:53:26.060
Um, we talked for a bit, he took me on a really great date, and it was just something that
05:53:32.160
I've never experienced outside of my hometown or, like, high school, and being in college
05:53:37.980
was exciting, and he was older, and then I thought everything was great, we hooked up,
05:53:44.820
and then I didn't see him again, but maybe it was, I know he was following a lot of college
05:53:51.920
girls, um, I thought we had a connection, and then it was just...
05:54:02.740
And it was pretty bad, because I was, like, what, like, probably 19, I wasn't even 20 or
05:54:09.500
But I, I think, honestly, I was naive, I didn't really know so much about dating.
05:54:18.360
Yeah, I guess white guy, outgoing, like sports, like, very, very plain kind of thing.
05:54:30.780
So, what, I mean, besides just white, what's your type?
05:54:36.320
Well, but back then, back then, what I thought was my type...
05:54:49.000
I mean, do you have other, like, blue eyes, brown eyes, blonde hair, dark hair, tall, short,
05:54:59.020
Honestly, I think I've gotten more into personality over...
05:55:09.820
So, you went on this date with this guy, 29, whatever.
05:55:42.020
Or, like, not feeling going out tonight or drinking.
05:55:48.120
So, but, like, how many times did you make the effort to try to, like...
05:55:53.240
Was that the same experience, like, before you hooked up?
05:55:59.760
Or was it pretty easy to link up before the smash?
05:56:08.480
How many times did you try to, like, link back up?
05:56:20.300
It's just, like, nah, can't chill or something?
05:56:24.980
I'm like, I don't know who said anything about drinking, but...
05:56:59.580
I think guys that I've dated in the past really like the chase.
05:57:17.080
Then maybe I'm like, okay, I guess I'll hang out with you more.
05:57:21.860
Maybe connection runs dry and things just kind of fizzle out.
05:57:34.060
Or is that pretty much the story that you just told?
05:57:36.680
I think the first whole year after getting out of a really long-term relationship,
05:57:44.040
...trying to figure out what I wanted or what I liked.
05:58:01.080
Like you want me to give you numbers or like...
05:58:11.560
You don't have like in your notes on your phone just like Billy, Bob.
05:58:22.220
No, I feel like my friends remember more of this stuff than I do.
05:58:36.060
Before I get into some more of my pre-show notes...
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You said you were stalked by an ex behind a shed slash a push?
05:58:59.180
So, this is someone I dated my first relationship when I was in eighth grade.
05:59:18.120
We were both, like, first relationship, both, and then we dated until I was, like, a sophomore
05:59:35.740
This would be a great opportunity to say, twitch.tv slash whatever, drop us a follow, drop
05:59:43.500
I don't know why this is a new problem that continuously happens.
05:59:53.780
If you're watching this on playback, you're missing out on this juicy stuff.
06:00:06.100
It's probably the fires causing our power outage here.
06:00:15.160
I don't know what those firemen are doing, but God bless them.
06:00:26.940
The California firefighters who keep us protected while we're in a penthouse apartment talking
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about dating us pampered in air-conditioned apartment.
06:01:10.720
I'm doing a free fucking promo for frontier.com.
06:01:28.860
If you live in the Santa Barbara area and Frontier Fiber is available for you, switch to Frontier.
06:01:38.120
Once it is, I am done with this Cox Internet fucking bullshit.
06:02:02.400
If you guys want to cut me a check, we can talk.
06:02:46.920
Let me get through her notes, and then we'll get on it.
06:02:49.200
So, yeah, I was just telling you a crazy dating story, and it was like, when I was in eighth
06:02:55.100
grade, me and this guy, like, first relationship ever, both of us, we dated until I was, like,
06:03:00.740
And then after I graduated high school, we got back together, which should have never happened, but we got back together.
06:03:08.840
Probably for, like, two years, and then he ended up, like, stalking me in the town that I live, because we didn't live in the same town.
06:03:18.560
And then one night, I snuck out of my window, and the window was open.
06:03:23.420
Like, it was unlocked, and my laptop was right on my bed, like, right next to my window, and I snuck out.
06:03:31.380
And he came out from behind my shed and was like, where are you going?
06:03:37.580
Yeah, and then he was like, I'm going to tell your mom.
06:03:43.020
And then I, like, jumped the fence and, like, ran away.
06:03:50.800
Because he wanted to, like, read my text messages.
06:03:52.640
We had broken up, and he was stalking me, trying to, like, get back together.
06:03:57.280
All right, and then you said, I don't know if this was a disagreement, imposing views
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So, that was, like, I was thinking about, like, oh, if you're kind of against posting, like,
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certain pictures or something on Instagram, like, different values.
06:04:20.820
Because I've been there in, like, a relationship where you're, like, oh, I don't like that they
06:04:27.100
follow, like, like, models or whatever on Instagram, right?
06:04:34.540
So, it's kind of, like, something that I thought I had to come to a realization of.
06:04:41.480
And I don't know if I mischaracterized your viewpoint, but I thought it was, like, if you
06:04:47.240
don't like something, a lot of the times that's just, like, what that person, like, does and
06:04:55.200
And so, sometimes you don't just don't even mess with that person.
06:04:57.500
Like, if they're following a bunch of, like, Instagram models and that's not what you
06:05:00.360
value, then you just don't mess with that situation.
06:05:03.300
I actually have a, so I do have a rebuttal to this, right?
06:05:06.040
So, prior to dating, let's say a guy was, prior to dating, a woman was posting, like,
06:05:16.500
bikini photos on her Instagram and kind of maybe posting some more provocative stuff.
06:05:22.060
And you might, you know, have your own opinions on if that's acceptable, not acceptable.
06:05:26.060
But in any case, he had no problem with her engaging in what he considered single behavior.
06:05:31.940
But once they started dating, he wanted her to act in a way that he thought was consistent
06:05:39.820
So, for example, when you're single, you might go out to bars and nightclubs and you might
06:05:44.780
But once you decide to be in a relationship, is it wrong to then expect your partner to stop
06:05:53.260
I would say, in my opinion, for me, definitely yes.
06:06:02.540
But I think it just, it just depends on, like, I don't know if anyone else has a better answer
06:06:11.640
But, like, I feel like it just depends on what you really care about.
06:06:22.440
So, I mean, like, okay, you're saying, is this kind of, I think the main thing you were
06:06:26.180
talking about is, like, if a girl's posting, like, bikini photos on Instagram.
06:06:30.700
And then you, like, want her to stop or something?
06:06:34.620
And so, like, okay, then you're like, oh, I want to take this girl seriously.
06:06:41.180
And I don't want her to be publicly posting, like, kind of more provocative photos on her
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Instagram, even though she was doing it before.
06:06:47.060
I think that's, as long as, like, she's, like, obviously, like, in the situation, like,
06:06:53.120
you're probably going to find someone who will be like, yeah, I'll do that.
06:07:02.940
But I personally wouldn't date someone with that type of view.
06:07:07.780
But also, like, at the same time, you're going to be able to find someone who's going to also
06:07:13.160
So it is fair to say that you're better off finding somebody who doesn't do that to begin
06:07:18.640
But what if you're, at least at the beginning of the relationship, you don't really care
06:07:23.760
But then maybe you have a change of, like, I'm actually at the beginning.
06:07:29.720
Now that things are getting a bit more serious, I don't want that to continue moving forward.
06:07:39.940
Because I've been through this situation, like, pretty much.
06:07:43.140
I would say, like, yeah, you could bring it up and just see how they respond.
06:07:47.380
A lot of times I would just keep in mind, though, that, like, you, especially if it's,
06:07:52.040
like, say you're, like, they're liking, like, certain pictures on Instagram or, like, in
06:07:55.460
this scenario, my scenario, and you ask them not to do that, like, it's still something
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that they hold as, like, that's what takes up their time.
06:08:04.420
Like, that's what's on their, like, explore feed still.
06:08:07.700
So, like, you could be like, hey, can you not do that?
06:08:10.580
But to understand that also, like, that is something that they had valued in their mind.
06:08:17.980
Like, just not necessarily valued, but, like, had done in their free time, that's something
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Because I don't go through Instagram, like, I want someone, like, on that level where I
06:08:29.100
don't go through Instagram just, like, scrolling through and, like, looking at guys.
06:08:33.560
But, like, assuming someone was in this position where this was not made clear, like, prior
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to the start of the relationship, maybe they didn't even have an issue with it prior to
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For example, would you be totally fine dating a guy who likes other girls' bikini photos?
06:08:53.640
But do you think it would be wrong for a girl who, perhaps before they were obviously dating,
06:08:58.800
she can't have any control over him, a guy who likes random chicks' bikini photos on
06:09:03.560
Instagram, but now that they're in a relationship, the guy continues to be liking, like, chicks'
06:09:10.080
photos, bikini photos, provocative photos on Instagram?
06:09:13.000
Do you think that's objectionable to some degree, once he's in a relationship with a
06:09:20.020
Do you think it's, do you think in a relationship it is objectionable for the guy to be liking
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In my opinion, I mean, that's not something that I value.
06:09:35.900
Like, I don't want a guy who is like, oh, I'm going to, like, that's something that I like
06:09:40.540
I'd rather you be doing something, like, better with your time.
06:09:43.160
Right, but he did it prior to the relationship.
06:09:45.860
Yeah, then I wouldn't be in a relationship with him.
06:09:49.780
I'm sure there are plenty of women who would get into a relationship with that kind of guy
06:09:54.600
who's inclined, personally, I think that's lame as fuck, but who's, like, liking chicks'
06:10:00.620
Um, but now she's in a monogamous, serious, long-term relationship with him, and she's
06:10:06.500
no longer, she's not cool with that, uh, with him doing that.
06:10:13.580
Well, do you, okay, so then, but would you equally object to a man not wanting to date
06:10:19.860
I wouldn't object to it, like, if that's what they agree upon, then that's, that's what
06:10:32.040
Like, isn't that, like, certain boundaries you set?
06:10:35.820
Like, some people think cheating is, like, if you're gonna do, like, there's, like, degrees
06:10:43.600
Um, so I think it could, it could be, like, yeah, for sure it could, but I don't know.
06:10:53.080
Uh, Andrew, I'll give you, um, five minutes on, on the, how's that sound?
06:11:00.540
I just want to, uh, very quickly correct a few things.
06:11:04.100
So, um, normally I use only secular arguments when I engage with panels like this.
06:11:11.120
I understand that most people are not Christians, uh, or if they are, they're just kind of what
06:11:19.860
Like, you guys don't really care at all about the gospel.
06:11:22.720
Most of you are secular, you know, you're secular.
06:11:26.540
Uh, that's why you're rolling your eyes, this kind of thing.
06:11:32.840
Uh, but I did want to correct this when it comes to submission.
06:11:36.940
Submission is not mutual the way that it was described to you.
06:11:42.080
Um, and the only reason I'm bringing this up is because a woman was preaching the gospel,
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which is why women shouldn't be preaching ever or in any capacity in control of anything
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Pastors and men submitting, a woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
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Do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man.
06:12:11.400
Now, this woman will say, that means in church, right?
06:12:22.440
That's, this is why we consider them to be heretical.
06:12:25.820
The reason I'm explaining to you what submission is,
06:12:28.600
There is a Christian ethic, and I want to make sure that you understand what the Christian ethic is.
06:12:36.760
You are to submit to your man as you are unto the Lord.
06:12:41.100
This means as you would unto God is how you are to submit under the Christian ethic.
06:12:49.540
I'm not going to address her because she refuses to engage.
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But I did want to correct that so that you understand that is a false gospel that is being preached to you.
06:13:07.120
If you guys have any type of pushback, I'm happy to engage with the pushback.
06:13:12.280
But what you just had preached to you was a false gospel.
06:13:31.200
I said, when you show me a man, then she can shut the fuck up.
06:13:37.540
Why would I take the advice of a woman who has a paper clip in her nose?
06:13:43.660
It's an industrial bar, so it's actually made to be like this.
06:13:53.340
I mean, you're the one who addressed me, not me who addressed you.
06:13:56.500
I mean, you're the one that, you wanted people to address you.
06:13:59.220
You have 20 pieces of steel in your face, and I'm supposed to take what you say seriously?
06:14:03.220
Okay, and it's better than looking like a big mouth character.
06:14:07.820
Yeah, but Andrew, it doesn't matter what we look like.
06:14:16.140
Because I know a lot of African tribes that do have, like, a lot of piercings.
06:14:36.540
Why do I have to name something that's a part of my fucking heritage?
06:14:40.020
Why do I have to name something that's a part of my heritage while you're coming out of my heritage?
06:14:56.840
Imagine saying, this is an intricate part of my heritage.
06:15:00.380
I mean, you act like the fact that even fat people with hair don't even actually exist in other fucking societies.
06:15:08.960
You don't have to name it to know that it exists.
06:15:18.940
You want me to go grab my phone and tell you right now?
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I am storing so much information in my fucking head.
06:15:31.340
Do you know that there's maybe a part of a cultural heritage that a burrito is a part of?
06:15:39.780
Okay, and there's other foods that exist that I can't even fucking name.
06:15:44.080
But it doesn't matter if I know whether the name of it.
06:15:46.140
A burrito, though, you would associate with what heritage?
06:15:52.940
A burrito, you would associate with what heritage?
06:16:05.840
You sound like, because I can't name something that doesn't exist.
06:16:16.180
He doesn't want your answer because he wants us to dick ride and sound fucking stupid.
06:16:22.240
I don't think she was saying her piercings are because of her heritage.
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She said, this is an intricate part of my heritage because the African tribes, I asked her to name one.
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I said that there's a lot of African tribes that do have a lot of piercings.
06:16:40.180
Did the Aztecs fucking exist for you to say, like, oh, that there's, like, pyramids out in fucking Mexico?
06:16:57.320
Why would I take a person who said, this is my situation?
06:17:01.440
If you want me to answer a question, how about answer me a question about how are you slow?
06:17:07.460
We'll talk about who really built the pyramids.
06:17:13.280
I mean, it's just madness to me that this is so important to you.
06:17:15.960
I just think that you just sound stupid because you think that because you can't name something
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Something specifically that what doesn't exist?
06:17:29.960
What was the conversation that we were having this whole entire time?
06:17:34.180
Well, what you said was there's a cultural heritage.
06:17:42.020
Why say I like you finish, but you didn't let her finish?
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You were disruptive towards her, and now you're asking for the same respect.
06:18:00.880
So, I mean, you can keep that argument to yourself on trying to make people sound stupid, but at
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the end of the day, you sound fucking stupid the more that you're trying to say that it
06:18:10.580
doesn't exist because I can't name a single, like, tribe or society or blah, blah, blah.
06:18:17.020
I have seen the pictures, I know that they exist, just, like, you know, like, move on
06:18:23.360
We all, like, we can say that Drake, we know that Drake talked to fucking kids, but, like,
06:18:29.900
just because we don't have, like, everything right here, and I can't tell you all the fucking
06:18:34.040
kids that he was talking to, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
06:18:37.140
So, anyway, so what you said was, you said that all of the face piercings in the wig
06:18:43.540
My wig had nothing to do with this and how you're delusional?
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You didn't let me finish, and you didn't let a lot of people, like, finish.
06:19:01.020
What you said was that all the face jewelry in the wig was basically...
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So, you coming after my wig whenever I was talking about my piercings?
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Your piercings were due to an African heritage, which you had a deep connection to because of
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I said it's a part of my heritage because am I not African?
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Imagine my skepticism when you can't name a single tribe, which is so important to you.
06:19:40.600
Do you know the story of slavery and how a lot of slaves don't even know their own fucking
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Do you know the story of slavery and how they don't know their own fucking tribes?
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Are you done spurging now so that I can at least make a question?
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You're going to answer the question because it sounds stupid to me that you're going to
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try to tell me about how I don't know society, like, my heritage and blah, blah, blah, whenever.
06:20:06.080
We all know, and it's basic common knowledge that black people in America who didn't come
06:20:11.900
directly from Africa, who their families were brought here, that we don't know our fucking
06:20:19.900
But I do know, in fact, that there are tribes out there.
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It's a problem to you, but you don't know a single tribe.
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Why are you acting like that information is so readily available?
06:20:27.980
Okay, like, I'm going to listen to Nick from Big Mouth.
06:20:32.580
Brian, if you want to say something, you should say something.
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Like, if you're taking it in that way and laughing like some weirdo.
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It doesn't seem like it's very important to you.
06:20:51.440
Everybody, put your swords away for just a minute.
06:20:54.280
Yeah, yeah, but I'd like to finish without being filibustered.
06:20:59.100
Wait, it's already finished without being filibustered.
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Gear exact where, see, she's still filibustering.
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What she said was the massive amount of face wear that I have is due to my deep cultural African connections to my tribes.
06:21:15.780
And then when I asked her what tribe, she can't name a single African tribe.
06:21:21.240
Okay, that's like asking me to name every fucking woman.
06:21:46.480
I'm glad we got to see a different side of you.
06:21:52.380
And, you know, I personally think Desmond's at half trouble right now.
06:22:17.520
Lighthearted question for the whole panel here.
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How does the panel feel about women in relationships having male friends?
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Do they think the fellas have ulterior motives?
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And, wait, maybe hide the, hide, Andrew, really quick.
06:24:25.520
I can tell you from experience, it does not work.
06:24:38.860
Okay, first off, I'm not getting with the guy on the first date.
06:25:18.280
So I'm never going to use that shit again, because I have to go get a plan B afterwards.
06:25:27.800
I would be curious as to why he bought that kind instead of the other kind.
06:26:13.820
Like, that's really cool if he has that, because I've never seen that before.
06:26:17.820
I feel like he would have to bring two sets of condoms.
06:26:20.300
I've heard of them, but I've never seen those in case.
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Have you, in all your experience, have you seen a female condom?
06:26:34.940
No, but it's close to a diaphragm, so they kind of based it on that, but even diaphragms
06:26:44.980
But still, it's like, if he had that in his pocket, I'd be like, a player.
06:27:22.920
I wouldn't use it, but I'd open it to see what it looks like.
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I know a lot of you out here doing the dirt without protection, but...
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Is there a reason why you were looking into my soul while you were saying that?
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So it's like, you have to fuck with this or you can't fuck.
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So, like, you wouldn't use it, but this is all you got.
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Because you're like, oh, I really like this guy.
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I don't want to put that weird thing in you, though.
06:28:44.120
Yeah, but funny doesn't make me want to sleep with you.
06:28:49.300
Can you pull, like, a regular condom out of your pocket now?
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In this hypothetical scenario, there's no condom.
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You're not taking birth control, and you're ovulating.
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When we need to bang, like, I guess I'm using this thing.
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I guess there's a first experience for everything.
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It's like what I was saying earlier, like, it will move, because the guy is, like, thrusting,
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Unless you hardly move when you're having sex, which was, like...
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Like, I had to go get a plan B after using something like that.
06:29:58.480
Well, I'm going to say the novelty of it does not make that worth it.
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I thought I was reading, I was reading the thing.
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I don't know where you ever got the idea I was a Catholic.
06:30:27.820
Well, Andrew, I'm going to make you a deal here.
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I'll give you three cups, but I'm also sending you home with one of these bad boys.
06:31:30.680
Are you going to let her talk to you that way, Morgan?
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I've seen the hell that breaks loose on this show.
06:32:09.780
You should be able to transcend all of this feminist talk.
06:32:13.800
She's having flashbacks of Vietnam, Agent Orange, fucking Napalm.
06:32:32.060
Now you have to wait 30 minutes while this plays.
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Why wasn't the podcast like this the whole time?
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That's all that comes to mind whenever I see that guy.
06:33:28.900
How would you describe or give a definition of that word?
06:33:36.600
Well, it doesn't really matter what my definition is.
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It's a rejection of patriarchy and patriarchy systems.
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I don't think your definition is something that necessarily works.
06:34:15.120
Well, my definition of feminism is seeing every human being as a person as an equal.
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It's more like I see you as a human being and we're equal.
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Assuming that men think that they're, I don't know, greater than on the hierarchy than women.
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Do you think traditionally that men have been at the top of that hierarchy?
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And do you think that feminists were attacking those systems in order to make them equal?
06:35:28.200
Okay, well then feminism is a rejection of patriarchy and patriarchal systems, isn't it?
06:35:40.420
Anyway, so back to where we were at before I was so rudely interrupted.
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The definition is a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchal systems.
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And you can see the feminist here agreed that that is the definition.
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If there's going to be a system to have a balance within that system and equality within that system,
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not just where the system is predominantly male-dominated or female-dominated, equal.
06:36:21.220
Ah, so if it's equal, and traditionally men have been at the top of the hierarchy,
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if women wanted to equalize it, what would they have to be rejecting?
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So feminism is a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchal systems, yes or no?
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Then we're all on the same page with the definition of feminism.
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I believe in feminism because I believe that a woman should have the right to make her own choices,
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And feminism, that whole movement, is about women's rights.
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Women weren't given the rights to make decisions about their own bodies.
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And it was given to men who only a seahorse knows what it's like to be pregnant.
06:37:30.760
So what you're saying is men who are at the top of the hierarchy are being opposed by women
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who want to reject them at the top of the hierarchy.
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I just want to own my own rights to make a decision.
06:38:00.440
Well, feminism is a movement for rights, just like the gay movement.
06:38:06.480
But who are they appealing to for those rights?
06:38:15.480
So who didn't give them those rights, and then after they appealed to that group, gave
06:38:35.000
In the House of Representatives, there's women in the Senate.
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Was there women in the Senate and the House of Representatives before women had rights?
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I'm not sure, but there was a lot of women being blind women.
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If women have no rights, how could they be in government?
06:38:54.760
So, okay, so you're just saying that women stood up for themselves and said, we would
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like to have our own rights to make decisions about our life.
06:39:03.360
No, I'm saying that they appealed to men for their rights.
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So then it got labeled to be feminism, and we're not really against men, but for whatever
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reason, men were making a majority of the rules.
06:39:15.460
So that would be called, if men are making the majority of the rules and they're at the
06:39:19.880
top of the hierarchy, what would you call that?
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If it's imbalanced and men are at the top of that balance.
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And when this side goes down, that's women here.
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Do we have a word that would describe this phenomenon of men up here and women here?
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I know it's an imbalance, but is there another word you can use besides imbalance that would
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Reference an imbalance of power where men were at the top of a hierarchy, would patriarchy
06:40:57.880
It's about a woman and a man coming together and sharing...
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So, if men have all the rights and women have no rights and you want to be equal, who do
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I want both of them to have rights to make decisions.
06:41:35.100
So, you have patriotic ideas and thoughts and words.
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If women are being oppressed, women being the monolith of all women, there's only two
06:41:56.300
If women, all women are being oppressed, who are they being oppressed by?
06:42:14.200
If there's not just men and women, who are they?
06:42:34.400
So, you think that women were fighting for their rights against transgenders?
06:42:43.220
Who were they fighting for their rights against?
06:42:50.600
And you being a man, maybe you can't understand that concept that a woman wants to make their
06:43:04.980
So, if women want to make their own decision about giving birth, and there's another group
06:43:09.880
who aren't women, who say, no, you can't, what would you classify that group as if you
06:43:25.060
Not all men are biased against women having rights.
06:43:35.320
So, then women never fought for their rights against men.
06:43:42.080
Were women out there with ARs and they were like, ah, fucking bitch, you can't have no
06:43:49.220
There actually are women who don't want women to have their own rights.
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Do you think that feminism was an attack against women for oppressing women?
06:44:04.340
...them pushing back against men because men were at the top of the hierarchy?
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It's women speaking up for themselves and saying, we'd like to have our rights to vote.
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We'd like to have our rights to make decisions.
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So, women, being all women, are speaking up because they want their rights.
06:44:37.820
That was probably the best debate that I've had all evening.
06:44:45.120
But instead of just conceding so that we can have the conversation, it's far easier for
06:44:49.880
you to project into my mind using your dolphin technology in order to convince me that feminism
06:45:03.200
One day, I hope that I can project like you can my thoughts into other people's relations.
06:45:35.600
Like my wife did, you'd have somebody cute to cuddle with at night.
06:45:43.640
What she just said is the most base thing ever.
06:45:46.660
So I said that she's been celibate for nine years, and she's like, yeah, it's called feminism.
06:46:21.220
I'm going to say I'm a feminist and a masculinist.
06:46:25.220
And I don't feel like those are mutually exclusive.
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I feel like if a female is doing the same job, she should be rewarded with the same pay.
06:46:39.340
And I also believe that women should be able to make decisions.
06:46:46.180
I respect men and the role that they have in our society.
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I believe it's a very important role and it's needed.
06:46:55.060
And a healthy masculinity is a very important thing.
06:47:00.180
If you had to define feminism, what would you define it as?
06:47:04.160
I'm not about tearing down patriarchy or any of the extremes of the feminist activists and things like that.
06:47:18.000
I just believe that women should be treated fairly.
06:47:23.500
And like, for instance, let me give you an example.
06:47:44.420
So my grandmother, when she passed away, had a lot of paperwork, as old people do.
06:47:50.760
And going through her paperwork, I found a letter from the bank.
06:48:11.780
So anyway, my grandfather was terminally ill with cancer.
06:48:23.740
And so, yeah, she had to get his signature to agree that she could open a checking account to put her own paychecks in.
06:48:30.960
And so that she could pay the bills and everything.
06:48:33.080
So my grandma couldn't have a bank account argument.
06:48:37.760
So I just feel like that that's really unnecessary, that type of thing.
06:48:42.600
And I'm not, you know, going to pretend that that's okay.
06:48:56.300
Because she worked her tail off and she saved all the money.
06:49:01.080
In your grandma's day, men incurred all the debt of the wife.
06:49:07.940
You may not like it, but this is what's actually true.
06:49:18.320
This was the primary argument against the suffragettes from the anti-suffragettes,
06:49:23.640
of which there were many more than there were suffragettes.
06:49:26.120
That's why your grandma died with no debt, because her husband incurred all of it.
06:49:31.240
And so while you say, well, you know, it seems unnecessary.
06:49:36.160
Maybe she didn't, but she also didn't have any debt.
06:49:41.760
Like if I asked you honestly, an honest question to you, right now, how much debt do you have?
06:49:53.980
And that never would have happened in your grandma's era.
06:50:02.920
I'm putting this fucking rugby ball in a fucking rear naked choke, boys.
06:50:19.120
So I was just curious, if you can answer to that.
06:50:26.560
Do you think that women in debt and modernity is better than a system where men incurred, their husbands incurred all the debt?
06:50:32.460
Well, that was the first question you asked right just now.
06:50:37.600
But, you know, I, like I said, I have my views and I explained what those were.
06:50:53.300
So you just are going to refuse to answer any of the questions that I asked you.
06:50:56.680
So what you can do is you can go into a long misleading diatribe again, like you did with the Gospels, and then say, well, wait a second.
06:51:09.980
And when I asked you, wasn't that a preferable system to what we have right now?
06:51:15.760
Why are we here about debt out of all the other things that are happening when I was talking about this?
06:51:22.320
But all of you who said you're feminists, I do have a question.
06:51:39.420
So first of all, some people might not have all the information to answer.
06:51:44.440
So obviously we need a military just in case we go to war.
06:51:51.060
And then the draft, just in case we need to send extra troops to war.
06:52:04.560
Wait, but didn't you say that feminism is one of you two who said feminism is about equality, right?
06:52:14.020
If you want to go like 100% follow equality, then you'd say yes.
06:52:20.880
Because it's just, on that, so number one, men are the ones that chose for men to go to war.
06:52:29.100
Well, that's, okay, let's assume that we had a female president.
06:52:31.500
Even easier, let's just grant that you're right.
06:52:37.300
Let's say that a nation state, an evil nation state of evil men, like communists, for instance,
06:52:42.960
decided to attack a sovereign nation because they wanted their resources and this and that.
06:52:49.440
And the men of that nation defended that nation against those evil men.
06:52:54.200
And is that them then deciding to go to war or are they going to war because war was forced upon them?
06:53:02.960
I was saying men chose for men to be drafted in the U.S. and not choosing women to be drafted as well.
06:53:12.380
So I'm saying you guys did, you guys put that on yourself.
06:53:25.340
Is equality the idea that if previous generations laid down an unjust policy,
06:53:32.200
that that means that modern generations, if they're striving for equality, would not try to repeal such a policy?
06:53:41.500
The thing is, I think that here's a, if I can say this real quick and no one interrupts.
06:53:47.160
I think that some people don't have all the information to things and don't know what to answer
06:53:51.600
because you're going to do like a gotcha, like bam, like you're going to go here with this and I'm going to say this.
06:53:56.540
That's why some people don't want to answer because they don't know where you're coming from.
06:54:02.040
So unless you can predict whatever my logical response is going to be, you're terrified to get in your position because it could be wrong?
06:54:09.400
Well, I'm saying that we know what you're like.
06:54:20.620
You could have bedazzled me, razzled me, completely defeated every single argument that I had.
06:54:26.960
The thing is, is that unfortunately you're predictable.
06:54:30.300
And the reason that you're predictable is because most women in modernity are NPCs who just regurgitate what they've heard and they don't have original thoughts.
06:54:38.680
If you want to talk about NPCs and no souls, if I couldn't predict what you were going to say, you would have completely obliterated me.
06:54:45.220
If you're terrified to give a position because you're afraid I'm going to blow it out, you should really rethink your positions.
06:54:50.960
Maybe you should just talk to people like me and they wouldn't feel so nervous.
06:55:09.760
But y'all just keep talking about the meta conversation.
06:55:19.620
So, do you actually want to answer the question?
06:55:24.500
Yeah, let me get everybody's answers before either of us.
06:55:32.420
So, should women be drafted under this context?
06:55:38.900
Like, in using logic and saying that it's equal and that means women should be drafted now.
06:55:50.660
So, saying that feminism is equality, you would say logically.
06:55:54.160
But I'm just saying, here's my anecdote real quick.
06:55:57.160
I think that rich people's children should be drafted first and foremost because it's
06:56:04.520
a rich man's war and that's, we send poor people to war so it should be rich people's
06:56:09.400
children which are like the senators of the fucking house and rep.
06:56:14.900
Wait, wait, I got to get into this incoherency, Brian.
06:56:28.360
Okay, but we do have a draft, assuming that the draft will never be gotten rid of, should women be drafted.
06:56:36.500
Well, kind of what they brought up is men design the draft.
06:56:41.860
It's not really, my feminism point isn't about equality.
06:56:48.820
What does that have, one, what does that have to do with anything at all?
06:56:55.720
You don't think if women were, let's just say we,
06:57:04.080
you don't think that there, you think there would just be peace?
06:57:10.360
they did an analysis of queens, monarchs, throughout history,
06:57:16.240
and they found that queens were more likely to wage war than kings?
06:57:31.780
but there's, I could, we could pull up the study if you doubt it.
06:57:39.840
Wait, I just think some of the queens were in response to defending their country from attacks.
06:58:01.200
When I think about Queen Elizabeth, and even like the Belgium queen,
06:58:05.880
they were actually trying to protect their countries.
06:58:13.420
Who was Queen Elizabeth trying to protect her country from?
06:58:16.900
From the other countries that were trying to protect her country?
06:59:21.120
But there was a Queen who was trying to protect and was like through Scotland and then France
06:59:26.080
and then all these different countries and then Prussia were trying to invade her country.
06:59:41.280
So there was not King, Queen, and then the Queen that just reigned.
06:59:51.400
But I'm just saying I was making certain observations about Queens trying to protect their kingdom.
06:59:58.720
In any conflict, there's the belligerent, there's the aggressor.
07:00:02.880
And I guess the, I mean, well, military conflicts are not that black and white.
07:00:06.800
But if there were two kings, there would be a king who he's being aggressed upon.
07:00:15.840
I'm just saying on the whole, women and Queens, like their job is to protect their country, right?
07:00:22.600
And so they were doing it in defense, not creating wars like a majority of men rulers like to do.
07:00:32.160
Yeah, so women should not be drafted then because men.
07:00:39.280
I believe both should have the choice whether or not they want to fight.
07:00:47.520
So if your country is attacked by a sovereign nation, who should defend it?
07:00:58.240
Yeah, yeah, but should your country then be able to institute a draft?
07:01:03.980
I believe that a man and a woman should make a choice about whether or not they want to fight.
07:01:10.360
And actually, women are better at shooting a gun and bows and arrows.
07:01:23.900
I was trained in shooting guns and I was better than the.
07:01:30.660
And I was better than all the women who were around me.
07:01:51.060
No, for the first time I shot better than him and I shot all the targets.
07:01:55.980
Your first time you shot better than your instructor?
07:02:21.180
That's the first time I've ever heard of a .45 Magnum.
07:02:40.880
Now you're making a reference to something else.
07:02:47.700
Look, if you're so skilled, the Navy SEAL taught you how to shoot a .45 Magnum.
07:03:16.260
Yeah, I think that there should be equality of opportunity but not equality of outcome.
07:03:22.340
So, I mean, I personally, I think that if women are going to want to be treated as equals, then yes, they should be drafted.
07:03:35.280
But I also like how some other countries do it where it's mandatory for like a year or two years for males and females.
07:03:44.600
Because I feel like that goes across all the socioeconomic levels and some people are not going to be able to skip out on it and just leave the burden of protection to everybody else's kids and especially the lawmakers.
07:04:00.760
You know, they'll, I think they would be less likely to enter into trivial things if they knew their kids were also being impacted by that decision, you know.
07:04:11.520
But to go just to the question you asked, if women want to be treated as equals, then yes, they should be drafted.
07:04:23.160
In fact, I think equity would dictate that for the next thousand years, only women fight in wars and only women are drafted.
07:04:41.260
You know, for the thousands of years men were the ones fighting in wars.
07:04:48.980
I don't even believe, I don't believe in equality.
07:05:12.220
How does the panel feel about women in relationships having male friends?
07:05:16.640
Do they think the fellows have ulterior motives?
07:05:32.560
So, like, this is asking, like, if you're in a relationship and you have male friends, or is this, like, you have a relationship with males?
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Honestly, I would freaking break up with someone because my best friend is a male.
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So, if they tell me I can't be friends with him, I'm not doing it.
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I think, I mean, I have two very, I have two friends that are male that are very close to me, and I've known them since before I was in my relationship.
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And I don't, and we all hang out in, like, friend groups.
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We're, they're friends with all of us in our friend group, and we all hang out together as a group and stuff like that.
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Oh, but the question at the end was, do they have alternative motives?
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My guy friends, they don't have alternative motives.
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He can have girlfriends, and I can have boyfriends.
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I think it's fine if the, if both people have set up boundaries with each other about, you know, is he going to have female friends?
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Then, you know, then it should be fine as long as you stay in the boundaries.
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Andrew, claim your args are not, sorry, arguments are non-secular.
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What are your morals based on regarding women and women, then?
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If all my, if all I give you is a secular argument, meaning nothing grounded inside of anything which is religious,
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all I need to do is give you a preference, and is every bit as valid as any preference you give me?
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Please define the Western feminism is for everyone.
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It's highly unlikely that these women have a specific or a historical reference to what the feminist movement was.
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Please define what Western feminism is for everyone.
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Well, is there really a difference between Western feminism and...
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Yes, because Western feminism is equality in a, so yeah, there's like a couple different definitions of feminism,
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So like Western feminism is the idea of like equality within the sexes.
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And then another type would be like traditional feminism, where like you take on traditional roles.
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And then there's, there's another one, I forget.
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So Western, obviously, it doesn't encompass every single...
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So under traditional feminism, you said, would the men and the women adhere to traditional gender roles?
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So then under traditional feminism, it would be frowned upon for a woman to opt out of her traditional gender roles,
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So yeah, it's encouraged to like, to embrace feminine roles.
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So then what would be the feminist component of traditional feminism?
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I think it's just like the idea to keep, keep those roles.
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Because it's like the belief that like women bring a certain value, men bring a certain value.
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I don't think I'm going to bite on that one, but...
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There's also like there's intersectional feminism where that's more of what I believe in because
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it's like the belief that like certain women have different disparities in other women,
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So like minority women have different struggles.
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What's the comparison between Asian women and white women?
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From my purview would be different from someone else's.
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Because my definition of feminism is different.
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Yeah, but intersectional feminism is the analysis of these differences.
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It's just the belief that like some women have it worse and to like acknowledge that
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and that helps put an eye on that, especially in studies and stuff.
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They're studied way more than black women or Asian women.
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But that's just intersectionality, period, right?
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So intersectionality is the intergroup dynamics and you're looking at the intergroup dynamics
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to see which ones are more oppressed than other groups or which ones fare better.
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So that wouldn't even be specifically feminism.
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Well, it wouldn't even be a branch of feminism.
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We'll come back to feminism a little bit later on.
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But Alyssa, you said you had some wild stories of this ex-siles dating going crazy on my friends.
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I'm just trying to get through all my pre-show notes.
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We were in high school and we were like friends with these two older guys.
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But we thought these boys were our friends and they were older than us.
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And then it turns out the police ended up coming to my house because he was cutting my window screens, all of them in the backyard.
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And it turns out he was sleeping in my doll playhouse in the basement.
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The 17-year-old man was storing suits and court documents and uneaten food living in my dollhouse in the basement.
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Well, and then I have a story that goes into that, but I just didn't...
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I want to say we were down there for like a week, so I don't know.
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Maybe he just slept in there while we were coming.
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I mean, my parents were still at home, though, but it was just kind of weird.
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You said you noticed a lot of negative views or language towards the women on the show that you don't feel is necessary.
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That was just something I brought up, like, I think, a little earlier, too.
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I just feel like the direction that we have gone in now seems more, like, open, friendly, talkative, like we can discuss.
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And I feel like sometimes in the podcast, it can get a little more just kind of...
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We're just kind of yelling at each other, and nobody's vibing, and just we're trying to debate, but it's not really happening.
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And I just see, like, I guess, I don't know, in previous videos that I've just seen...
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I really don't watch your videos, like, enough to provide, I think, a really good example for you.
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I've just seen a lot of the clips just to kind of prepare for the show, but I've just seen that there seems to be some negativity towards women in general.
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I know, I don't, but if you go back and watch, or other people, but that's really all I have.
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So when you're having an argument with somebody, they're not going to agree with you.
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And sometimes you may have a position which sounds fucking stupid.
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Sometimes you may have a position which sounds completely fucking stupid and idiotic.
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And if that is so, and the other person points this out, and you're forced to agree, what happens is that's very uncomfortable for people.
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It's a thing which happens with many, many people when they get into arguments.
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They feel like they're being assaulted, insulted, destroyed, you know, whatever you want to kind of label it.
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Because they have to face their kind of own incoherence.
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And so I think what happens often is people will make really bad arguments.
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And when they have to face the outcome of what that actually entails, they get really upset.
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And instead of saying, wait, maybe I'm just wrong, or I haven't thought this through, or there's something, you know, there's some entailment here which I haven't thought through, they instead blame the person who pointed it out.
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I'm not trying to be like, oh, you guys are just women haters and bring us on all here.
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I just mean that I feel like sometimes when you're asking the questions, like individually, like not to bring up body count again, but like the body count questions.
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Like, I feel like during those, it seems to be like, I don't know, like just the conversations between, like they don't seem to be friendly anymore.
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It doesn't seem to be like for argument's sake or anything like that.
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What I think happens, because I've been on the show like many, many, many times.
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And so I've seen this, I've seen this kind of go, go around time and time and time again.
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What happens is the frustration, think about it from the other end.
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So juxtapose yourself, put yourself in my shoes or in Brian's shoes or any other men who are sitting there.
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If they feel like they're being lied to, they feel like, wait a second, there's no possible way you're telling me the truth right now.
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How can a woman, so like for instance, I've had a 600 pound chick, maybe she wasn't that heavy, but something close to it.
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And there's no possible way she actually believed that.
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And when pushed, it was very obvious that she didn't, but doubled down on the lie.
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So if you have people that you're trying to have a good faith discussion with who are literally lying to you and you know they're lying to you, you point the lie out and they still double down on it.
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How can you, how can you even engage in good faith at that point?
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Well, I would say that I guess specifically to that, like maybe she's not arguing, like at that point, doubling, like you're saying she's doubling down on the fact that she's as hot as Scarlett Johansson.
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Maybe she's not so much doubling down on that, but she is like just feeling insecure.
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Like what I mean, like she's not trying to lie to you and tell you she looks like Scarlett Johansson.
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I totally agree with you that at that point she feels like she's confronting her own cognitive dissonance and it's painful and she doesn't want to deal.
07:18:27.400
So earlier I asked this very basic question on body count.
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And I said if you had a thousand people who rated you, what do you think their collective answer would be?
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Do you think that people were actually honest with me?
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I think that, I mean, yeah, people feel good about themselves and I don't think that they were giving easy answers of just purely like their looks.
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And they are all hot, so they should all feel like they all are tense.
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I think they're all hot and they are all tense.
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If you're in the truth-telling mood, can you tell me who the hottest woman in the studio is according to you?
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I don't like to do that because I don't like to compare, no, like I don't like to compare women's like looks to other women's.
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Like I just feel like that's mean and it kind of tears other women down.
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So without saying out loud who you think the hottest woman in the room is, can you tell me at least this, that in your head you do think that there are some women in the room who are prettier than others?
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But that also would be coming down to like my personal perspective and it's not like, and like that would be, like I'm not sitting here trying to judge women and be like, oh, is she cuter than her?
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I know, but I mean, that's not what's going in my head.
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Like when I'm looking at all these women and hearing them talk about like, are they a 10?
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Like I'm not being like, oh, well, should she have really said that?
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Like, so I just, I don't, I don't put women against each other.
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I just want to wrap up very quickly with this last question.
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Can you tell me though, in your brain at least, you think there are some women in the room who are prettier than other women in the room?
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I mean, like, yes, but that doesn't mean that because one woman is prettier in one aspect that the other can't have just as pretty qualities in like other, like.
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Now you understand why we don't feel like people are being honest with us.
07:20:42.060
Well, it's because people are being honest, but they're also not telling their whole, yeah, to different degrees.
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Like, we know that you know that there's prettier girls in that room, or at least that you think some girls in the room are prettier than other girls.
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But the reason you refuse to actually say what's objectively true is because you don't want to risk insult.
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No, it's because it's unnecessary for me to do that to people.
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Like, it's not up for me to tell her, like, how she should be defined by, like, me.
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I think it might come from, like, you're saying in the way of you don't want to necessarily answer the question because it's not a value.
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Like, he's trying to get you to answer this question.
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But it's like, you are trying to get to a different point.
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It's not really a value to answer that question.
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Like, it's like, trying to understand why is that question relevant.
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You're saying, look, there's no value add from our end on answering this question.
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It's just either going to make us look bad or make somebody else look bad, this type of thing.
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But just so you understand, if you're going to have open, honest dialogue, you're going to have to risk insulting.
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It's really actually going to be honest, and that's the point.
07:22:26.260
So you guys can come right back to this, but Dove has a dolphin to go take care of.
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I want to get through her pre-show notes quickly here so that she has a dolphin.
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So she was about to leave, but I said, hey, stay a few more minutes so I can get through her notes.
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Dove, you said, accidentally, you called a private number of a well-known entrepreneur and then got invited on this trip to Morocco,
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where he was meeting the Moroccan prince and king for business.
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And then you dated over that week-long trip, as well as I became his nursemaid when he got sick,
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going out onto the streets of Casablanca to find and buy his medicine.
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All of a sudden, I called this number, and it was the same person that I sat next to the plane with,
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but I didn't have his number because I used to be super shy.
07:23:32.880
Yes, and I flew from Colorado to, because at the time I was living in Aspen, working for John Denver during a couple summers.
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Were you involved in a relationship with this person?
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Yes, and in another plane, he went in his private plane,
07:24:12.800
Where's all the chicks, like, trying to fly dudes out?
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I actually heard of a comedian doing that recently.
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The question is, any dating topics takes you want to speak on?
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You said, from years of animal communications with wild animals and some domestic,
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my angles are on tips for dating, red flags, deal breakers, and gender roles.
07:24:46.720
So are you kind of like, you got tips for dating and red flags and deal breakers and gender roles
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because of the animal communications with wild animals?
07:24:53.940
Well, I just think that people relate to animals in a way that people have animal traits.
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Like, once I was at a film festival and people were saying, what animal do I look like?
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And I would just, without thinking, saying, oh, you're a dog, polar bear and stuff, and
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people just said, oh, my God, he does have traits.
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Or a wife would say, he actually acts like a dog.
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So you're taking traits of human beings and mapping them onto animals?
07:26:09.380
I think that, like indigenous people, they valued the connection with wild animals and
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animals having attribution spirits where they help guide them in their life.
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And I believe all animals are here on earth as helpmates.
07:26:35.740
Well, I just wanted to ask a clarifying question.
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Why were all the animals on the ark and only a few humans?
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Because I felt like God was saying, you humans are going to need a lot of help, and
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I'm going to make sure all the animals are here on earth to help you.
07:27:04.120
It seems like you're being very selective, biblically, about what you think animals are
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Are animals equals with us, according to the Bible, or are they lesser than us, according
07:27:13.800
Well, if we've gotten into scripture, which I don't in this podcast, but...
07:27:19.260
It's like, ask the animals and they will teach you.
07:27:25.960
So there's actually scripture about talking with animals.
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Is she a mini horse or is she like a thoroughbred...
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Because she doesn't have to say anything, but her presence is like large.
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Do you consider animals to have the same moral considerations as human beings?
07:28:26.680
When you ask them a question, instead of calling someone an alcoholic, they'll say that person
07:28:52.120
No, to choose to be a vegan is to choose not to eat animal products.
07:29:03.240
Under veganism, and maybe, Andrew, you can weigh in on this.
07:29:08.240
So, like, you can't eat animal products, right?
07:29:23.140
That's different, because when you say animal products, meaning I don't eat flesh meat,
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and I don't eat something that's supposed to be fed to a, you know, calf, because a cow
07:29:38.860
Well, I've got to follow up just very quickly on this.
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If animals can project into your head what it is that they think, and you can talk to
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them that way by what they think, if you were to have chickens and you were to go to a chicken
07:29:51.180
and say, this egg right here is never going to actually be a chicken, ever, okay?
07:30:18.500
Yeah, but not all eggs are going to develop into chickens.
07:30:22.120
So you can actually buy chickens, which are bread.
07:30:27.100
So other people are okay with eating animal products, and I have...
07:30:31.100
I don't have a problem with other people's diets.
07:30:35.180
It's just for me, I watched an animal suffer that I used to eat.
07:30:41.120
With the same emotions on this fish's face that we would have if we were dying.
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I am going to use just two brief arguments back.
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The argument one is that if a chicken can communicate with you, and you're able to tell it this will never be a chicken,
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I don't see why the chicken wouldn't say, well, then go ahead and eat it.
07:31:07.800
And then the second I refer to as the Kurt Cobain argument against veganism, which is fish don't have any feelings, so they're okay to eat.
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He says it's okay to eat fish because they don't have any feelings.
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But because of all the years I've spent underneath the water, I've watched fishes or fish.
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Hold on, just because you've got to get out of here pretty soon.
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At first, I thought she was like a bunny, but then it's like a unicorn.
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I definitely want to know what animal they are.
07:33:03.480
Can we get through it a little quicker, you know?
07:33:37.000
But when I did an Indian sweat with Chumash Indians once, I heard everyone's animal after
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When I went around and came out and said, you sounded like a baby harp seal and blah,
07:33:58.600
Like, of every sound, all I could hear was their animal.
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And he is like, info, a gazelle, mad, something.
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You said, hot tip, that most men and women make choices from their aquatic brain.
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Plus, each human has distinct animal traits that can determine compatibility between sexes and partners.
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Like, I wouldn't date like a mouse because I'm an elephant, right?
07:35:31.340
Or could I do mouses and elephants like they fuck?
07:35:37.260
Yeah, like the little mouse could go up into here.
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We sense people before we even think about them.
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We're using natural abilities that animals use every day.
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After we evolved through the Neanderthal phase...
07:36:32.700
Andrew, can you do a Jordan Peterson impression?
07:36:46.100
Yeah, I mean, when you look at him, he kind of...
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Doesn't he look like he has traits of a bear and then sometimes he's a wolf?
07:37:06.280
I get the Wolverine and the wolf and you get the elephant.
07:37:35.880
Did you hear about that elephant that, like, attacked the funeral?
07:37:53.680
When you say aquatic brain, you're talking, like, is that, like, oral sex underwater?
07:38:05.100
I mean, one time I did date this chick who was a diver.
07:38:11.680
Like, sex in the hot tub, in the bath, in the ocean, all that stuff is great.
07:38:22.660
No, but the aquatic brain is kind of like how we make decisions.
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So, what kind of, like, what kind of animal in a person am I most compatible with?
07:39:00.160
When you think about elephants, everything about them is family.
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Because there used to be a horse with a horn here.
07:39:48.480
Yeah, like, back in the time, right after the dinosaur...
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You need some Morocco horse to have a little bit of a unicorn horn.
07:40:01.660
Give me one more animal, though, that I would pair off.
07:41:11.660
No, but I can't kiss her if she's just eating peanuts.
07:41:22.400
How did you not know that I was allergic to peanuts?
07:41:50.380
I don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
07:41:55.680
I know you got to get back to taking care of the animals.
07:41:59.380
We can dive more into dolphins and aquatic brain and dolphins.
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But we could talk about the science of animal communication next time.
07:42:30.160
We should have a one-on-one sit-down with Andrew and Dove when Andrew's here.
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I'm going to try to get through all the notes here.
07:43:26.300
Can you pull up the dating app for Alien, Nick?
07:43:42.440
This is the energy I was going to do for the whole podcast.
07:43:57.620
I have tentacles coming out of my ass, four nipples.
07:44:45.840
What do you mean by tentacles coming out of your butthole?
07:44:59.240
I have the anime parasite tatted on my ass, and it's coming out.
07:45:15.780
I told her, like, you're a really big inspiration of mine.
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Like, I really want to get the same thing as you, but I don't want to copy you.
07:45:23.040
Here's my, like, what I have in my brain, what I envision.
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And so I just went whenever I got back from New Jersey, because I went out there for a show,
07:45:33.280
and I came back, and I found an artist who would do it.
07:46:17.480
The hottest thing you can do, bring me a gift, preferably from nature.
07:46:34.260
Hey, to the whole panel, I really appreciate you guys, and the exchange that we had.
07:46:40.820
I have to get out of here a little bit early tonight.
07:47:03.040
Hey, everybody who's watching, check out Andrew's channel, The Crucible.
07:47:22.980
I'm going to see if The Crucible crew, I think he's sending them over right now.
07:47:28.320
Appreciate you guys over there at The Crucible coming over.
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You said, when it comes to dating, I'm the problem.
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I just know that I have a lot of stuff that's wrong with me, personally, that other people
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So, for the most part, I know that it's just me.
07:48:14.140
I'm the problem, and most of the time, I just don't want to deal with other people.
07:48:25.760
Like, I have one guy stop talking to me because it was like, your bathroom situation is too
07:48:32.140
And I was always, like, come out here and, like, hang out with him and stuff like that.
07:48:36.000
And then I would be like, I can't take a shower at this Airbnb or this hotel.
07:48:41.240
And he was like, literally, Planet Fitness is, like, way worse.
07:48:47.140
This feels, like, a little too claustrophobic for me.
07:49:00.620
Like, you can't go to the bathroom in a different bathroom.
07:49:07.680
Like, it triggers a sort of, like, phobia, but I'm not sure what.
07:49:13.620
Sometimes it's more about, like, what it looks like, you know, generally.
07:49:20.340
Like, you can walk into a bathroom right fucking out and be like, this is fine.
07:49:26.500
I wouldn't take a shower in it, but I can use the toilet, you know?
07:49:31.240
What about, like, Planet Fitness bathrooms make you favorite?
07:49:34.400
I hate it there, too, but at the same time, it's just, like, it feels less claustrophobic.
07:49:40.720
Like, the Airbnb that me and my best friend have right now, the shower was, like, I could barely even move in it.
07:49:46.540
And it, like, I don't know why, but whenever I'm in the shower and it already bothers me, but I'm, like, I have to lock in and just take this shower.
07:49:54.740
I can come out of the shower and just be, like, a chihuahua and just be, like, trembling.
07:50:02.140
Okay, do you, and, um, you said, like, the Band-Aid thing?
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If it's on me for way too long, like, I've been trying to get better at it ever since I started, like, jobs, because I was working at, like, Sonic and stuff.
07:50:16.280
And, like, you know, they use a sticker to put the receipt on there.
07:50:34.960
Like, when I boil water, I get, like, scared, because it, like, bubbles up, and there's, like...
07:50:41.780
I used to take showers, and I would, like, look at myself in the shower, and I would see, like, the bubbles, and that would trip me the-phobia off.
07:50:57.280
Nick, just Google trip-a-phobia, and then there's, like, just a...
07:51:13.280
I'm not, like, super, super, like, scared from it, but, like, it's, like...
07:51:19.000
We're not going to do what it's got to do with dating.
07:51:24.660
I know that it's challenging for dating when you have that many phobias.
07:51:32.600
Like, even, like, with the bathroom situation, I can't even have the lights on.
07:51:36.680
Like, I have to take a bathroom at night or with the lights off or the door's shut with
07:51:44.780
Sometimes I have, like, my phone open, like, where I'm at, I have, like, two separate rooms.
07:51:50.740
So, like, there's one room where there's a sink and the other room has, like, the toilet
07:51:56.960
So, I put my phone in the room with the sink, let that, like, light kind of vibe off and,
07:52:11.220
You said just think most men are struggling because they hold their selves in an unattractive
07:52:19.300
I just don't think that a lot of guys are caring about their selves.
07:52:24.740
Like, they say, like, they care about, like, money.
07:52:27.480
Well, not money, but to get a girl, they have to care about money and blah, blah, blah.
07:52:35.620
We'll see a bunch of guys say, like, we don't have to.
07:52:42.820
But, or if they do focus, then it's like, oh, we all have to look like fucking giga chads.
07:52:55.620
There's a bunch of stuff that guys do that are unattractive.
07:52:58.980
And it's even just, like, personality-wise as well.
07:53:05.520
But personality-wise, like, for me personally, what I find unattractive is, like, I could be
07:53:13.760
I can give him, like, all the respect in the world, blah, blah, blah, this, that, and
07:53:19.620
And half the time, it will be, like, he wants to...
07:53:22.540
All the time, he wants to do shit that's his, that he wants to do.
07:53:25.780
But whenever it comes to, like, oh, I just want to go painting.
07:53:37.940
Yeah, but I'm not sure if it's me, and because of my dating experience with guys, and a lot
07:53:44.860
of them feel like they need to, how do I explain, kind of, like, show off to me.
07:53:52.480
So, it's like, I want to show you this part of my life, and that's it.
07:53:56.100
But whenever I'm like, well, I would like to bond with you and show you this part of
07:54:01.400
And then it's like, how do you expect me to like you if you won't do anything with me?
07:54:05.640
Like, I had this one guy, I was asking him, like, do you want to go to a concert with
07:54:08.960
He's like, no, I'd rather save that moment for something else.
07:54:12.580
Or, like, if you want to just chill out and smoke with me.
07:54:15.020
He's like, no, I'm just going to do it with my other friends.
07:54:17.240
Like, he just didn't want to do anything with me.
07:54:20.140
Every time I see him, he's like, I really like you, and I really want to date you.
07:54:36.220
Did we, on the last show, did we go over the whole making out with a racist and the something
07:54:53.180
Okay, it's like a couple different stories that he, I end up talking to a lot of racist
07:55:11.460
I can't say certain things because of my tongue, but, or pronounce certain things because
07:55:22.120
Oh, shit, wait, I know exactly what you're, I think I know exactly what you're, wait,
07:55:34.820
Wait, so you, like, and hold on, but I'm assuming this is something you do with white guys then?
07:55:41.520
Like anyone else, I'm just, like, it doesn't work, you know?
07:55:45.940
Wait, so, like, what would, is it role play stuff or you just want them to degrade you
07:55:51.720
I just want them to degrade me in a racial way.
07:55:54.480
I know it's, like, it's more trauma response type of thing because I had something happen
07:55:59.620
whenever I was, like, super young where they did come at me in a racial way and, like,
07:56:06.520
essayed me and stuff like that and I just know that it just sticks with me and blah,
07:56:11.700
blah, blah, but I typically go for guys, especially when it's white guys, when I do
07:56:17.460
It's not the ones that are, like, straight up, like, if I say, hey, can you do this for
07:56:24.020
I'm, like, as soon as they'll do it immediately, I'm, like, out of my face.
07:56:28.040
But it's, like, if you feel uncomfortable saying it, then I fuck with that because that
07:56:34.060
Wait, so you want them to question, like, question.
07:56:42.200
So you don't want them to actually, like, you want to, yeah, you want to, you want to
07:56:46.180
be able to tell that they don't mean it while they're doing it kind of thing.
07:56:59.840
Has a guy ever called you, like, in the bedroom?
07:57:02.700
Like, did his voice crack while, like, if his voice cracks while he's calling you a
07:57:09.080
That's never happened because no one will call me a slur during sex.
07:57:20.840
But they won't do it during sex because that's not what they're thinking about.
07:57:25.020
Now, if I was talking to someone who probably was racist, then they probably would just drop
07:57:29.380
it right away, even during sex, because that's what they're thinking about.
07:57:32.600
But, like you said, the guys that are too eager to appease you on that, you're like, no,
07:57:42.280
Can I make a point about that real quick on, like, the degradation thing?
07:57:48.500
But my ex that I said that stalked me in a bush, he messaged me a bit ago and was like, hey,
07:57:58.280
And he's like, would you be able to, like, be mean to me?
07:58:01.700
Like, could you, could you, like, be really mean to me and I'll pay you and stuff?
07:58:05.880
And I'm like, this is crazy, because I never knew that about him.
07:58:11.080
And I was like, well, I never did it, but he, it was crazy, because I never knew that.
07:58:15.020
I never knew he had, like, that type of fetish before.
07:58:23.040
But not, like, like giving, but not, I mean, receiving, fine, but, like.
07:58:33.220
Sometimes, like, you think back, you think, I thought back, I'm like, this makes so much
07:58:43.740
Going around, oh, okay, these are going to be rapid fire, especially since, you know, whatever.
07:58:53.380
Would you rather come across a random bear, a random bear, or a random man in the forest?
07:59:31.580
Wait, are you, you're a bear or you want a man?
07:59:39.620
Me in general, just like, I choose bear because I just don't trust people.
07:59:48.100
It depends if, like, you tell me, like, oh, it's going to be your best friend or my brother
07:59:53.520
that's going to be in the woods with me, then that's fine.
08:00:07.100
Bear because they seem easier to mitigate considering certain circumstances.
08:00:14.700
I might know what to do in a situation with a bear.
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Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay.
08:00:33.840
If it's a polar bear, you're automatically screwed.
08:00:45.500
Because if I'm wandering through the woods and I just see, like, a random man, like, nearby,
08:00:49.220
like, I'm instantly going to be like, what are you doing here?
08:00:53.640
Like, I feel like you might not have nefarious intentions, but you look suspicious and I'm staying
08:01:02.960
Because that's just my automatic, like, if I'm walking through the woods alone and then
08:01:06.140
all of a sudden there's a random man out there, like, I'm going to be like, I'm turning back.
08:01:13.100
I'm going a different, we're not going to walk down the same trail.
08:01:17.620
Like, I'll change paths, like, to go the other way around the man.
08:01:22.440
But a bear, like, that's its, like, natural home.
08:01:24.340
Like, I feel like I, like, can kind of, like, evaluate what it's going to do more.
08:01:29.700
Like, I guess trust in its natural instincts more than what this random man is doing out
08:01:38.220
The man is out there for the same reason that you're out there, though.
08:01:41.260
Like, you guys just got randomly plopped in the woods.
08:01:44.780
It just would be unnerving to run into any person when you're not expecting it.
08:01:48.760
But I think it would be more terrifying to run in, for me, to run into a bear.
08:02:16.760
We also didn't specify what kind of man, but that's the whole point.
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I actually want to do, I don't know if I could get my hands on a, I'll do a black bear.
08:02:37.500
She has to go in a 10x10 room with a random bear for an hour.
08:03:02.100
If you do this and the bear, like, kills the person, assuming they signed a waiver-
08:03:10.100
Like, am I still gonna have liability if the person-
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Okay, we're not gonna hide the fact that it's a bear.
08:03:30.920
I think it was on a TV show where, like, it was a tiger.
08:03:43.860
Yeah, I was gonna say, check the same contracts that they sent on the submersible down to the
08:03:50.080
I feel like that could be possible, because there's this, like, show where, like, people
08:03:57.660
Like, it's, like, a house in, like, a forest that you go to.
08:04:02.920
And they have to sign a waiver that they, like, even though they ask to want to leave,
08:04:07.680
But, like, okay, the waiver says, like, you could very well die.
08:04:14.780
No, no, I'm talking, like, I'm talking for the bear thing.
08:04:51.180
I know, boys did this to make me have these opinions.
08:04:52.520
So, bears typically won't attack you unless you panic, so-
08:05:01.000
Or if they have young cubs nearby that you haven't seen, because they'll-
08:05:06.000
But they're doing that for more predictable, right?
08:05:16.140
I'm not really going to debate it, but those of you who said bear, what-
08:05:21.800
What percentage of men do you think would opt to attack you, victimize you in some sort
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You're kind of doing a risk assessment here to the point where you would prefer the bear.
08:05:45.280
Like, what percentage of men do you think would try to attack you, harm you, whatever?
08:05:52.800
I mean, couldn't it, like, be a 50-50, though, since you don't really know what, like, pool
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you're grabbing these random men out of, and, like, so you really have no idea.
08:06:04.560
I would say, I would say, actually, my answer would be-
08:06:11.460
Like, 20%, maybe 10%, but that's that, like, sneaky statistic that you gotta be watching
08:06:25.140
What percentage of men, in general, would do something bad, yeah?
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It's not, like, a high percentage, but it's definitely a percentage, which still makes
08:06:35.160
So you think, like, 50% of men would opt to hurt you or harm you?
08:06:44.660
But, like, if he's saying, like, we're doing this in the woods scenario, so, like, where
08:06:49.620
Like, I'm in the woods, and we place a random man in the woods with me, I'm just saying there's
08:06:53.880
a 50-50 chance that that random man that is placed in the woods with me could be good
08:06:58.460
So your percentage, or, we'll just move on, I guess.
08:07:49.180
I don't think women should be shamed if they're rocking.
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No, I know I'm kind of saying it in this sort of satirical way.
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I don't think anyone should be shamed for the way they were born.
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I don't think we should be doing the small dick energy, big dick energy.
08:08:29.380
You know, you can't change that in women if they got large.
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I don't think you should shame a woman if she's got large labia.
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I also exclusively date women with large labia.
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Probably from a girl that you slept with before.
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One day you just woke up and you're like, I love large labia.
08:09:20.060
Honestly, it might have been, just being totally honest, I've never even talked about this on the show.
08:09:52.440
Nick, can you pull up my non-profit organization, please?
08:10:06.320
10,000 women a year in the United States get a surgery to chop off their lips.
08:10:20.120
And if I can save just one woman from getting a labiaplasty...
08:10:30.940
And they're like, Brian, I've never heard a man talk about big pussy lips before.
08:10:56.740
Yeah, there's definitely no women out there, like...
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There's the surgery component, but there's also, like, fake news about it.
08:11:18.380
Like, okay, if a girl has an outie, then that means she's run through.
08:11:28.380
If she's had a lot of sex or a lot of sexual partners, that's going to cause her to have...
08:11:38.120
You could have had, like, thousands of cocks and have an innie.
08:11:54.620
He was, like, the hotter comedian that was on a podcast that was, like, I don't like this about women.
08:12:20.000
If I saw him in the street, I'd be like, fuck you, Matt Reif.
08:12:30.760
You should have him come to the show to debate you.
08:12:38.280
Because if you're, like, having a preference...
08:12:44.400
Like, does he even like women if he's saying that?
08:13:01.740
It's, like, roasty, wizard sleeve, Arby's, beef curtain.
08:13:13.420
Actually, this was going to be one of the topics of the show.
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Is it okay to make fun of men for having a small D?
08:13:54.760
We can probably play it a little bit, but hold on.
08:14:30.540
That has got to be the smallest dick I have ever seen in my whole life.
08:14:40.660
So, it's got 2.4 million likes, plenty of comments.
08:14:45.620
And there's 60,000 of these videos using this sound.
08:14:53.280
Maybe people would just sort of find the sound.
08:15:05.060
But there's also, like, empowerment stuff as well for, like, tiny dicks.
08:15:14.000
Cody Coe has a song called, like, Tiny Meat Game or something.
08:15:27.980
Is that, like, the only thing that you can pick up?
08:15:31.800
I heard other people talking about, like, their meat and stuff like that, but I'm not...
08:15:37.560
I don't really sit around, like, micropenis, you know what I mean?
08:15:44.820
I couldn't tell you how little it's crossed my mind about micropenises.
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Just because, like, I don't care, like, what their hair...
08:16:29.300
They need to have, like, cleanliness, like, standards, be kind, like, funny, like, personality
08:16:34.560
standards, honestly, are what I kind of look for.
08:16:37.440
Is there anything that, like, physically you are more attracted to, though?
08:16:41.440
Probably, though, like, longer-haired boys as opposed to, like, a buzz-cutted boy.
08:16:45.900
I mean, a man bun can be cute, but you have to, like, you have to know how to, like, style
08:16:51.360
Like, I like a boy who cares about, like, personal maintenance.
08:16:55.920
Like, he wants to, like, make sure his hair looks good.
08:17:04.880
I like a guy that's athletic and rugged and knows how to fix stuff and, you know, I just
08:17:15.280
That knows how to, like, hang something on the wall, please.
08:17:32.920
Would you take, like, a more, like, feminine boy?
08:17:38.560
Yeah, I really don't have, like, too big of, like, preferences like that.
08:17:41.860
Like, I know things, like, that I definitely, like, don't like, but it's not, like...
08:17:45.940
And obviously, they have to, like, be, like, there's a certain, like, attractive level,
08:17:55.720
I don't think have too big of, like, looks standard or preference.
08:18:02.220
And, like, for me personally, I like chubbier guys, sometimes fat.
08:18:14.480
Like, we did mushrooms and then we were cuddling.
08:18:16.900
And then he looked at me and he was, like, damn, Aileen, you're buff.
08:18:23.040
So ever since then, I'm, like, I can't fuck with, like, skinny guys.
08:18:35.660
But I'm not, like, too specific on, like, racial type of stuff.
08:18:39.960
Like, I know I said some stuff about race things.
08:18:45.500
Like, in general, I still do talk to black guys.
08:18:50.080
The guy that I'm talking to is Asian right now.
08:18:57.340
So I like guys who I feel, like, are unconventionally attractive.
08:19:03.180
Well, and see, for me, it's, like, that energy that they put off has to be the right kind
08:19:11.080
Because I do like an alpha man, but he also has to be somebody you're going to feel safe
08:19:16.560
with, that you totally feel like they're your shade tree that protects you from all the
08:19:22.620
meanness and ugliness in the world, too, right?
08:19:32.840
So, you know, I don't mind being that soft comfort for my man.
08:19:40.000
Like, they're out there fighting for whatever they have to do to protect and provide, and
08:19:47.740
then come home, and I want to treat them like a king, right?
08:19:53.020
As long as you have two sides to it, and both people are doing their part,
08:20:00.140
But like we were talking about earlier, all the different traumatic things, I don't like
08:20:08.880
I think life experiences, some are great, some are not so great, right?
08:20:18.860
And like, for instance, the things that I've been through, I mean, I haven't even given you
08:20:25.540
But the strength that I have as a result of that, I've grown, I've been challenged, I've
08:20:34.620
I don't like thinking of someone, a woman as a victim of their past, right?
08:20:41.680
You want to just go and be your best self every day, but then at the same time, the more struggles
08:20:49.180
and things like that that you've overcome, you're going to need a man who can meet you
08:20:55.580
Who can recognize that strength and see it as a desirable quality and can be a good match,
08:21:06.960
And if what you need is a softer guy to help you heal, there's times in life for that too,
08:21:14.580
Because things, it's a flow like a river in your life, things up and down.
08:21:25.020
When it comes to baggage and stuff like that, like, I understand.
08:21:30.660
So therefore, we feel like we need other people.
08:21:33.520
But at the end of the day, I don't think I need a man.
08:21:36.700
Like, I have borderline personality disorder, right?
08:21:41.160
So like, to me, it's just like, when I'm hearing that, I'm like, I'm literally suffering
08:21:52.060
And then I'm hearing like, oh, a man is just going to make it better.
08:21:55.900
I'm saying if you want a partner, a companion, if you want to be in a marriage, that's what
08:22:01.740
You got to have it match up to be the right energy for what you need.
08:22:05.800
I think when I like say baggage, like, yeah, it can be, can seem super negative, like a
08:22:14.520
I think that when I think of baggage, I think of like getting into a relationship with like
08:22:19.260
a man who has mental health issues, because getting into a relationship with someone who
08:22:25.100
does have mental health issues can be like super, super draining on yourself also.
08:22:29.500
Like if, if that's like one thing I like, that's one thing I try to avoid like at most, because
08:22:36.800
like they're dealing with a lot of stuff in their own heads.
08:22:38.800
So it's like, how are you going to be able to deal with having a relationship?
08:22:42.780
I feel like that's really fair because everyone has like their own limits and boundaries.
08:22:46.040
And at the end of the day, like relationships matter, of course, but you also need to prioritize
08:22:53.880
And it's like, if that's going to be causing so much stress on you that you feel like you're
08:22:57.660
giving all your energy, like you don't want to have to do that.
08:23:00.740
We'll continue going around with type, I guess.
08:23:03.060
Morgan, do you want to tell the audience your type?
08:23:10.060
I don't think I have a type, but I would say I'm more attracted to certain people.
08:23:16.560
So I mean, that tall guy, chill, chill, tall, brunette, light eyes, or yeah, I think, yeah.
08:23:30.820
And that's just a preference, but that doesn't mean that you have to stick to just that type.
08:23:36.340
Like, I think I'm like, yeah, we were attracted to most like that type, but then that's not
08:23:44.240
We were just talking about that earlier, but we were saying how like some women have like
08:23:48.460
a specific type, but they don't always like have, get the boyfriend.
08:23:54.220
Like we were both saying how earlier we dated guys that were the opposite of our type.
08:24:01.240
And it's funny because, you know, we spent so much time at the conversation talking about
08:24:06.440
how this one specific criteria is a lot of guys type and that's just the age, the age
08:24:14.280
But I've, I'm sure that men have way more qualities than just age.
08:24:25.540
What I want, let's start with the looks and then we'll do personality.
08:24:34.460
Slight preference for white women and Asian women, but I'll date a black girl, I'll date
08:24:39.040
Slight preference though for white women, Asian women.
08:24:44.680
Prefer short, a little shorter, but I'll date any height.
08:24:56.420
It's probably, maybe taller is a little better, like for having, for having kids, for birthing
08:25:04.040
babies, for having kids, you know, anybody here, like having some warrior, some fucking
08:25:24.660
I mean, if someone wants to do that, that's what they can do, but that's kind of crazy.
08:25:29.920
I literally heard people talking recently about how they won't date a guy unless he's
08:25:47.040
They won't date a guy unless he's not had the Fauci-Owie.
08:26:04.240
But that's weird to want to, I mean, isn't that why people are attracted to other people?
08:26:11.300
I don't think that's what people think when they like want to date people.
08:26:14.440
It's not like, oh, our kids are going to be really cute.
08:26:18.860
There's some child-bearing hips on that gal over there.
08:26:21.600
I feel like if you're getting into like a genuine relationship, you're going to want
08:26:27.020
And then later down, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, like our kids are going to be cute.
08:26:29.960
But it's like, like your attraction trigger isn't, oh, that guy's really cute.
08:26:43.980
Like, I'm definitely thinking if she's like four foot seven, like our kids are going to
08:27:01.760
Dude, if I see a really tall chick, I'm like, yes, tall children.
08:27:07.800
There's like really short people in my family who have had really tall kids.
08:27:15.460
I'm saying like my aunt and uncle had a kid and he's really like way taller than both of
08:27:22.000
But like tall parents are more likely to have tall children.
08:27:29.060
So obviously like hygiene, grooming, important, but strong preference for no plastic surgery,
08:27:34.720
no fake tits, no fake lips, no BBL, no lipo, no labia, plasty, no tongue split.
08:28:10.300
When you bake, when you do your baking, you can put some.
08:28:19.860
You could have just choked and died right in that seat.
08:28:43.460
I just think that people should just exist and you shouldn't.
08:28:47.380
People should just exist without plastic surgery.
08:28:51.780
I don't see like what's the problem with plastic surgery.
08:28:59.240
First off, let's just talk about the aesthetics.
08:29:01.740
I actually think aesthetically, I don't think it looks good.
08:29:04.800
So like fake tits, I don't think it looks better than like a girl with an A cup or a B cup.
08:29:14.440
It just doesn't, I don't think it looks good aesthetically, but that's me as somebody who'd
08:29:19.820
rather date a girl with A cups than a girl with fake double D's.
08:29:24.880
That's me as a guy who'd prefer a little belly fat over the lipo belly.
08:29:29.840
That's me as a guy who'd prefer to date a girl with small butt, no butt over a BBL.
08:29:43.620
Because that girl that was sitting next to me, she was fine as fuck.
08:29:55.900
And that's when they don't put that much fat in there, but they're like more so like.
08:30:04.000
It's one of the most dangerous surgeries you can get.
08:30:14.500
She was just saying how it's really dangerous and a lot of people die from it.
08:30:30.300
Give me a girl with a small upper lip over that like R slurred.
08:30:44.560
And you know, one of the things to keep in mind since you guys are younger is the more
08:30:48.980
fillers that you get in your face, all, all the, the plastic surgeons and stuff are saying
08:30:54.440
that that'll age you faster, um, on your longevity of your, of your natural beauty.
08:31:01.820
The more fillers you get, the earlier in your life.
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And also the same with the Botox, all these girls getting Botox in their twenties, it actually
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messes with your face and it's not good for your longevity of your beauty.
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That's definitely true that there's some like negatives and everything.
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But, um, I mean, again, you do really have to look into like your, who's performing their
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Like it's very important that they're certified.
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You asked if, or you could just not get plastic surgery.
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We need to, we need a, we got to elevate our frequency, right?
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Oh, are we talking my language right now, Brian?
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I think what we got to do instead of saying, if there's something wrong with you and you
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So I think we need to improve people's mental fortitude and constitution.
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We need to develop and procure the constitution of women so they can look in the face of the
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Listen, we need to, we need to develop and curate the constitution of women.
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So they reject this beauty standard, these unrealistic beauty standards.
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We ought to, we ought to move away from this tragedy.
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Well, I think that women are being taught and you could just say natural lips matter and
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then you can use your same group there and put it with the no lip injections and then
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If my girlfriend, if my girlfriend came to me and she was like, Brian, I want to get some
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I would be like, I am less attracted to you now.
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So like, that's, that's, don't you have them pierced?
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Just because I want to look like a Barbie doll, like underneath, like I want to get rid of
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If my girlfriend comes to me and she's like, Brian, I've actually had a girl I was dating
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come to me and she's like, I don't like my boobs.
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I don't know, I don't know what her, something, I don't know, whatever.
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Did she not like it because it was too big or too small?
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So anyways, if she came to me, she says, I want to get a boob job.
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I would say, I would do everything in my power to gas her the fuck up on her existing
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I got to build, I got to build my partner up and I got to get her back on the path and
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Well, like you should build her up and everything, but also it's like more of a personal choice.
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Here, I don't like my titties, but I'm not walking around being like, oh, I hate this
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I'm like, just one day I'm just going to give breast implants.
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If a girl wants to do it, she's just going to do it.
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That sucks, but she's just like so messed up in her head.
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Once she hears what I have to say, she's going to change her mind.
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I think there's like a difference between like body modification to the like in a creative
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In that pursuit, rather than saying like an insecure kind of way, because it seems like
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you're just doing out of it, out of, you just want to.
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I just feel like a lot of women are being taught that they need to not like it because
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Don't make that face because there's a lot of people that go around saying shit like, I
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And Vanessa, you know, everyone that they follow on Instagram, the people that they talk
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But like first it's like, oh, like women, like they need to be picture perfect.
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And now people are like doing that and they're like, oh, wow, guys, stop.
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If the woman herself is unhappy with her body and wants to do something.
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Just make sure if you do anything, do it only for you.
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Like I think everyone that gets that stuff looks the same.
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If they get too much, they don't look the same.
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Like a lot of people, you can see a lot of people online that look like Kylie Jenner.
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Did Deadbeat look like Kylie Jenner earlier then?
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I think that her filler, if she did, looked super cute.
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A lot of people that do end up starting to get facial like fillers or whatever are going
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Well, I don't agree with that because I've gotten fillers for like previous years.
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I don't have any fillers in my lips right now, but I have.
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But like I go for more of like a natural, like my preference, what I see a little bit of
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like, oh, I'd like a little more like here or there or something like that.
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But like when I'm injecting myself, like I'm doing it because I like how it makes me feel
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And like I'm not, like I don't think it has to stem into like a lot of people always go
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Like you get one injection and you just can't stop.
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Like it's not, I don't know, that just narrative makes it seem so weird.
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Like I think a suggestive like narrative, you know what I mean?
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It's like when someone suggests to you like a certain thing and then you're just like,
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It's like when people talk about weed, it's going to make you lazy and blah, blah, blah.
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Like it's just, and it works better than it did before.
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I'm happy about the choice and it hasn't made me want to do like wild things.
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But if there's something I want to correct about myself and like, it's something that I
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personally want to work on, like I have no problem doing that.
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And I support anyone who wants to or does not want to.
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Definitely make sure you go to somebody that is qualified, licensed, certified, not in
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Doesn't have billboards to try to bring in new patients.
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As men, as men, if we're going to be protectors, we can't just protect you just from physical
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And one of the mental threats, one of the mental assaults on women is plastic surgery.
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And it's because all these guys are looking at that, looking at the people with the plastic
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surgery and wishing that their woman look like that.
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I feel like a lot of women idolize those women.
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Well, let me tell you, I got, I got my breasts augmented when I was early thirties and it was
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in, in, I'm not going to talk about, it was in my first marriage.
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And it was nothing that I thought I really needed.
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And so then, then I was stuck with that for 20 years.
08:39:46.780
Well, I met, met my husband and, um, he said, you don't need that.
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My daughters also said, you know, you really should think about your health and blah, blah,
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So I had them removed a couple of years ago and couldn't be happier.
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I am, you know, got a cute little figure again.
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You're saying you did this for yourself because originally you were pressured into doing it
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And now you're like, no, this is what makes me happy.
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But like, you know, I mean, we were together 15 years, you know, and that was, he wanted
08:40:26.460
Um, he did, he, he didn't come out and tell me to get them, but that's all he, that's all
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And so he didn't have to, he didn't have to say it right now.
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I'm not going to, I'm not going to get into all that, but, um, anyway, point being point
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I'm with a man who likes the natural, you know, female form and just couldn't be happier
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I agree with him about, I feel like it's so much pressure for perfection and for abnormal
08:41:19.520
Oh, well, I'm like looking for in a girl, I guess.
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Uh, I don't know if this counts as physical, but women with nice voices, I guess, and there's
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different kinds of nice voices, like soft, pleasant voices.
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Uh, what do you want us to say about the voices?
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Personality, uh, moderate preference for introverted women.
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And I'll date an extroverted girl, but prefer introverted, uh, quiet, calm, soft-spoken.
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Pre, uh, pretty strong preference for doesn't drink, doesn't party, doesn't do drugs, doesn't
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Look, I'm just trying to bring a girl to Hawaii.
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Are we going to get back into the submissive conversation?
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I blame it on Morgan, honestly, for like this show going so late.
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Probably men, like, just, like, overall, I guess.
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Yeah, most men are definitely physically stronger.
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Oh, are you going to want me to elaborate on that, or do you just want me to pick a side?
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I would get banned if I said that shit about women.
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Well, I think that proved your point, didn't I?
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Yeah, and I like guys, too, but they're still shitty.
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A lot of men are trash, but not all men, not all men.
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Hashtag, there's probably a large amount of men who are trash.
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I mean, here's the thing, and I feel really strongly about this, the whole toxic masculinity.
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Well, who's going to go fight on the front line?
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Who's going to lift the big bales of hay and all that stuff that I can't do?
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Who's going to carry the people out of the burning building?
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But there's toxic females and there's toxic males.
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It's everybody has their own responsibility for their behavior, and you're a toxic person.
08:46:59.400
What about all the teachers having sex with all the boys at the high school?
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Every week, it's somebody in the news for that.
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Okay, so I was an English teacher at first, and I was in my 30s, blonde, white, English
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That's the ones that do it every time, it seems like.
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Anyway, my first school, the head of the English department, you can Google it, Brandon McDaniel,
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He is in prison for having all these girls, and he would pick girls that didn't have a
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dad at home and whose mom spoke Spanish so he could hide it better, and they all looked
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like his wife, and she just gave birth to their third child the same week he got arrested.
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No, he just, no, he was a very charismatic guy.
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I mean, you just never would have imagined that it was so rampant with that.
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But, at any rate, it seems like it's all women nowadays.
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I think there's, like, whatever the media is showing, kind of.
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Like, I don't know if it's necessarily statistically true.
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All I know is I see a new article every week of some female teacher.
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Wait, how, how, I, I want to mention something that I think a lot of viewers appreciate from
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To the redhead jersey girl, intersectional has nothing to do with feminism.
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Hypothetically, 60-year-old black gay woman, gray hair, brown eyes, short, broke.
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But, yeah, we're going way back, but western, yeah, there's like radical feminism.
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There's the traditional, the western is just like what we know here in the west, like taking
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But radicals, like, radicals, like, we're going to take it down.
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Radicals, like, radicals, like, the men have really messed things up, so we need to take
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The western is more like the patriarchy has, like, a lot to do with, like, our issues here.
08:50:45.880
Yeah, so, wait, really quick on the patriarchy.
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That's actually the last thing I wanted to touch on.
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You know, I think, like, well, what I just said a second ago, I believe in equality of
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I don't believe in equality of outcome being forced.
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So, I mean, I think this is the system for humans for millennia and whatever, and there's
08:51:40.860
How do you, really quickly, how do you define patriarchy?
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Just a system that's predominantly run by men, or dominantly?
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It's like a, it's a system constructed, created, and run by men that ensures and goes by their
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So, that's, like, what's the whole, that's what's in the system, right?
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So, if there was more, like, less that, there'd be less value of, you know.
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I'm kind of just asking the feminists this question.
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Whenever you guys were breaking down a definition, and that's when I was like, yeah, I guess
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It depends on the situation, because, like, it can be predominantly run by men, the entire
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structure of society, but that doesn't mean the laws or what's being inflicted on women
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Under patriarchy, definitely yes, because that's what it is.
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I'm going to have to say, it depends on what country.
08:53:50.480
Well, it depends on the country, because, I mean, you're not putting a burqa on me.
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In Saudi Arabia, women only got their driver's license ability a couple of years ago.
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In America, then I would say, comparatively, absolutely not.
08:54:12.100
So, for those of you who said women are oppressed, are you oppressed?
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Probably in some ways, but I honestly can't think of right now.
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So, if we're, like, I don't know how we're defining oppressed, but this is how I'm going to define it.
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Like, with certain opportunities compared to others, like, compared to men, there's definitely an imbalance there.
08:54:46.840
Yeah, like, connections, opportunities to certain institutions, like...
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It's, like, pushed upon men to be in certain areas.
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I'm pretty sure even in some of the other medical-type fields.
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Okay, if in five minutes you're not wrapping, I'm going to wrap for you.
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So, the university system, the college system in this country, who's more likely to go to
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college and graduate from college, men or women?
08:56:22.700
When you think about certain statistics, like rape statistics, right?
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That's under the system of, like, R-word culture.
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If you don't want to get into it, we don't have to get into it.
08:56:56.480
But just because it's so late, we do have to wrap the show.
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But I'll just finish by saying men are more oppressed than women.
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Not just modern day, but throughout human history.
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I would like to just say this one thing that...
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Okay, I can just not respond if that's going to be what that is.
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Like, men are also oppressed in that way because they're...
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Like, they're affected by the patriarchy team mainly in feminism.
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I will just say, look, the final thing, men are more oppressed than women on one sole metric,
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forced military conscription, worse than any female grievance, forced military conscription.
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I'll give you that one, but I'm going to have to come back with, like, some more rebuttal.
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I don't think you can name one female specific grievance that is worse than forced military conscription.
08:59:21.800
I already told you that queens were more likely to wage wars than kings.
08:59:25.980
I'm not, like, a Kamala Harris Biden-type centrist.
09:00:22.420
Going around the table, what is everybody's body count, starting with Alien?
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She's already said it like a billion times on the podcast.
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I'm going to say like three to four because I'm not 100% sure.
09:00:57.420
Well, actually, and there's one that I'm not quite sure how to count, so that's fair.
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Nick, we're going to get a Twitch host raid going.
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How much protein do you think it's going to be in my oats?
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