She Did 100 Men In 1 DAY？! 1,000 NEXT？! NO Showering Between Men？! Lily Phillips, Eva Lovia, Aella, Andrew! ｜ Dating Talk #227
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7 hours and 37 minutes
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194.57642
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357
Summary
On this week's episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we talk about a woman who refused to leave the set of the show, and was kicked off the show because she called the host the N-word. We also talk about the labiaplastic surgery scandal, and why labia matter.
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Guys, last episode, Dating Talk 226, I posted two different, well, three different videos, actually.
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Behind-the-scenes, we had to kick off a feral woman who refused to leave.
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But she had to be removed because she was calling me the N-word.
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I felt it was, anyways, you know, had to kick her out.
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She was eating and crying at the same time, which is quite the sight.
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And then there was the shoegate situation from, you know, the whole shoe.
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She refused to take her shoes off, made a big seat.
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Whatever I described it as in the stream, we got the security camera footage.
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Way worse than how I, you know, how it described on stream.
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Anyways, Discord.gg slash whatever if you want to check it out.
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Disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel.
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And last thing, really quick, I do want to give a heads up to the panel.
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Well, I already told you guys this, but to the audience, we do have a lot to get through tonight.
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Given the guests that we do have, a lot of pre-show notes.
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So, the pace is going to be a little quicker tonight.
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Won't have too much time to linger on any given topic, but we are going to be moving pretty fast.
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So, with that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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So, please tell us your name, age, location, occupation, and education.
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My location is here, but I originally came from Idaho, and now I live in SF.
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And I make most of my money through research right now, but I also have done sex stuff of varying sorts in the past.
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And what's the nature of the, or I guess the scope of the S work that you've been involved in?
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Well, I have ads online, and then people email me, and they're like, hey, can I meet up?
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And then they show up, and then we go to a hotel room, and then they give me money.
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I actually did it last night in the hotel room that I used to stay here.
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We're at the same hotel, but not sharing a room.
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And what's, I guess, is there like a going rate?
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I charge 4K for the first hour, and then 1,000 each additional hour.
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Did he just do the one, or was he like a baller and just...
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Like, what if somebody wants like a day, like 24 hours?
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I don't really escort that much anymore because I make more money from writing, but...
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And you were kind of an early adopter, is my understanding?
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I signed up first in 2017, and then when it first hit, I was making around 100K a month
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I was in the adult industry from about 2001 to 2017.
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I'm in North Carolina and splitting my time between there and Austin.
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And any college or university or anything like that?
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And the funny thing is I'm not supposed to say that because when I...
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I do now openly, but when I was in school, I had the dean actually bring me in, and I
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was in film at the time, and it was a very big deal that I was on film and going to college.
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So she was like, just don't say you graduated from here.
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I was like, well, now I'm going to do that at every opportunity I can because I spent a
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So you had started doing coronography while you're still in college.
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It's supposed to be Horbach, but that is like way too Polish for me or anyone to say.
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And so you were in your senior year of university when you started doing sex work or...
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And was there like a period of time where like people didn't know, but then like your
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And like how was that, I guess, going through maybe your senior year where like people knew
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I mean, amongst peers, it was fine because when you're young like that, people don't
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tend to be as judgmental and you don't really understand the ramifications.
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So you kind of just like live in that moment and you can be kind of seduced by all of those
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But I feel like most of the negative impacts of that decision came like way later after I
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I mean, both names are kind of tied together in perpetuity.
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And the highest level of education I think I got was a B-tech at college.
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So just before you go off to university, you go to college in England.
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I mean, and you've recently, and you've been on the show before, so welcome back.
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So you've recently created quite a stir online with, you filmed a, a 100, you slept with a
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Everybody was commenting, still is commenting on it.
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I actually saw you did a recent interview with Russell Brand.
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And so, but you're now, your eyes are set at, you're going to step it up?
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So you're going to do a thousand in a, in a day.
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So I thought that Australian chick who was on the show already did that.
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I don't know about that, but yeah, I did a hundred and one and now I'm going for a thousand.
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I think that the, it was like the Australians, I don't know, they have like a Sun Times or something
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and they were writing about that article or writing about that.
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But I thought, yeah, I thought that that had already been achieved, I guess.
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Well, my understanding with Lily here is whatever the record is, you're going to break it.
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That's, it doesn't matter who's done it before or whatever.
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So it all has to be like penetrative and yeah, just in, out, in, out on like a conveyor belt
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Um, and they each get like two minutes or how does that.
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I'd probably say like, honestly, each of them get like five seconds.
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So this was, um, apparently the record set by Bonnie Blue.
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That's who I was referencing by the Australian chick.
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But yeah, so I guess, I guess that's been done.
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Like this is, do you guys have beef or you guys.
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There's enough guys in this world to fuck us both, so.
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There is another Australian woman who has, I was mentioning this to her before the show,
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Yeah, I feel like now, now like the, the high numbers has come out.
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There's been like a lot of people say they want to do it.
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A little bit, a Turkish girl said she wants to do 100.
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Wait, who was the one who did like the virgins?
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And how do you find the, like, is it a, like a Craigslist ad?
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Do you do like TV ads or billboards or, you should do a billboard?
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My, my poster was like, want to break a world record or something or another like that.
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And it was just like, you know, text this number, da, da, da.
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And then, um, another thing that kind of recently went viral.
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I don't know if this was just kind of like a bit or whatever, but I saw you, you did a
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video where you were walking in the streets of.
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I did put it on Pornhub, so you can't go through that.
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But, um, the, one of the guys who, cause I did like, um, a threesome with two guys.
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I was like, I need to go onto the street with this on my face.
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It looks, and it looks like fake com cause it's so much, but it's really not.
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Anyways, you were, you walked around, you filmed yourself.
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At the end of this month, I'm doing a skydive where I suck a guy's cock.
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People do paraguiding, but I want to do skydiving.
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Cause paraguiding is pretty easy to have sex on.
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So then what's that, is he going to suck a dick in space?
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Well, we'll get, we'll get into some of that more stuff as we, uh, get through the show.
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I'm a confidence coach and a speaker and I host a podcast and then I'm also a 1% creator
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And, uh, my understanding, at least what you indicated to us in your pre-show notes, you
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Um, so you were like, I don't know the process.
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So it would be more of an evangelical style of church.
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And then you were, um, like, were you raised as a Christian?
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I was raised conservative Christian, also non-denominational.
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And then did you have to go to like a school to become a pastor or how does that work?
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Every denomination is very different as to what they allow.
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And a lot of denominations do not allow women to be in ministry.
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Um, on staff and then unpaid as well, 10 years.
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No, actually about five, six years ago, I not only walked away.
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I deconstructed my faith, which was one of the hardest, most painful things I've ever
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Now I'm, I would consider myself spiritual, but absolutely do not subscribe to any Christian
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Yeah, that would probably be more accurate as an umbrella statement.
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You went through the process of Christian deconstruction.
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What, uh, just if you don't mind me asking very briefly.
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What was the most compelling argument for deconstruction for you?
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The compelling argument to begin deconstruction?
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The compelling argument that led to you finally walking away from deconstruction.
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It was actually getting really honest about the fact that the beliefs that are staples
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They're not actually, they're, they're amassed in love, but they are founded in fear and therefore
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very unsupportive to a life that is eliminating fear and shame.
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So, so they, it wasn't any historical argument or anything like that.
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It was something which was foundational to how you felt about your life, fear, this type
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I would say that would be the foundational part.
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And then you said, as far as like some of the things in the Bible that you can tear
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apart, I didn't even get into a lot of those, but I follow a lot of people who kind of tear
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them apart and it's pretty easy to see the holes.
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I'm 21 and I'm originally from Santa Barbara actually, but I live in LA right now.
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Um, and I go to college and I also model part-time like fashion industry.
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Like I'm planning on going into like fashion marketing and advertising.
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Um, my name's Katrina from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
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Uh, I have a high school education, uh, age 35, 89, I was born in 89.
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I am from Elmont, Ontario, uh, very small town.
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Uh, I went to school for addiction, uh, along with justice studies and police foundations,
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And then also, uh, worked for the government of Canada as an administrative assistant along
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So a lot of workload and that's my sister is the day, is the day of the rate.
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This is my second time on the whatever podcast.
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I'm 22 and I am a singer-songwriter and I came here to promote my third song, um, Say
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No, you came here to have discussion related to it.
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A little, uh, a little flourish there at the beginning.
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I was like, where, where's she going with this?
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It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.
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I engage in debates and conversations all around the world.
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And I'm happy to be here tonight and talking with all of you.
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Do you guys want to respond to these Metro Matt here?
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There's more bodies between those three than all of UCSB.
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This is the prime example of why more and more men don't trust or respect women.
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It's a little early to talk about body count, Metro Matt.
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Does anybody want you to feel free to respond to them if any of you want to?
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So, I mean, people that have a more conservative view with sexuality and body count tend to pair up with each other.
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And then people that have higher body counts pair up with each other.
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So the only issue that people have are the ones that aren't actively seeking each other out.
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And if you're single, how long have you been single?
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And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
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Are there currently any other people that you're seeing right now?
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Not with dating, but I definitely bang a lot of other people for fun.
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And he's okay with the escorting and you, I think you said, was it banging a lot of?
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I mean, he's banging probably more women than I am banging men.
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We were, we're like head to head on our spreadsheets for body count right now.
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Oh, also, I guess kind of related to your intro.
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Um, there's a couple like, uh, interesting things about you that were on the internet.
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Uh, you, you set records for showering or lack thereof.
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Um, and you posted the tweet about it cause you keep impeccable data.
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Um, but so I think it was in 2022, you tracked how many times you did a variety of things.
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And, uh, how many times did you shower in 2022?
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My 2022 in stats, images, images, uh, and some, uh, went outside, pooped, socialized, worked,
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took Adderall, drank alcohol, danced, had sex, 63, cried 59.
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Is there, is there a lever like crying and sex happens at the same time ever?
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Um, wrote, gamed, had a good meal and at the very bottom showered and then scroll down
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What, uh, lowest amount of times you've ever showered in a year?
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So I'd like to initiate a call to action, Ayla.
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Well, I figured out that, uh, if you actually don't shower often enough, my skin started turning
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darker, uh, from dirt that in a way that like wasn't coming off during the showering.
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So I was like, don't these ads imply though, so I was just kind of looking at them.
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You had, if you are having sex more often than you're showering, does this imply that
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What if you go in the shower, but you only shower below the belt?
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I don't, there is, there definitely is a question.
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You may as well just do a full shower at that point.
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Do you just like, you just like wipe, so, I mean, I'm sorry to be graphic, but you just
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like basically wipe a dude's jizz off and then you're going to have sex with another
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I mean, wiping a dude's jizz off in the shower is what people do.
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Well, I mean, there's a, there's a factor of like water power and pressure and all sorts
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of things that come with showering that you're probably not going to get from a washcloth.
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Well, I do have a bidet and I use that very aggressively.
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I basically like sandpaper off a layer of skin.
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You use your bidet when you're at a hotel because there's no bidets in hotels last
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I bidet after I get home and then before I go see a client.
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There isn't, there isn't any bidets in the hotels there and you just saw a client.
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So I assume you didn't shower post sleeping with this client.
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You just have to scrub it down until you're in a little bit of pain.
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But I do shower more than 37 times a year, not to brag.
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But if it was a contest, I would definitely be winning.
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Okay, so but you're in this polyamorous relationship.
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The first time I heard the word was, I was like, that is unambiguously me.
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I'm absolutely poly and I've never doubted it since.
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And never been like in a monogamous relationship ever?
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When I was a teenager and very Christian, I was like, ah, monogamy is the thing.
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And then I was trying to do that for a while and kind of failed.
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We'll come back to some of this stuff, but I'll just get everybody's relationship status.
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Um, and so, I mean, you were involved and you still do like, I mean, you have a OF, right?
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It's like, it's much more tame than my previous work.
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Uh, but you were in the traditional adult content space.
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Um, and you were with him for, when did you, so you were with him before you started?
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So that was when we first kind of just started casually dating and then he was there for the
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And, uh, has it presented, and if you, you don't want to talk about that, that's fine,
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but has it presented like any issues for the relationship?
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I think like when you first brought it to him, was he like on board or where?
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So initially I, again, so I started webcamming that's pretty, and it was all implied.
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So there wasn't any nudity that was for a while.
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So it was a very slow progression into what ended it with just like boy girl scenes, but,
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And then as that started to kind of kick up my career, I wanted to start shooting boy
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And then I got presented with a contract opportunity and those things were non-existent
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So back in the nineties, you had the contract girls and that kind of what is what leveraged
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It wasn't profitable and they were starting to bring it back.
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And I was like, I know I'm going to win this thing.
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And we talked about it for months before I actually shot it.
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And if you look at the whole scope, it was like probably a two year conversation before
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Well, so what I saw happening was like a lot of women were making such a harsh distinction
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between sex that was for work versus like in their personal life.
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So they expected their partner to be monogamous while they were shooting and their justification
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And while I do think there is a difference, it's still intimacy on some level.
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You have to have the same rules across the board.
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So I said, if I'm going to do this, then we have to open up the whole thing for it to
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And did he, he was like dating other women at that point?
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I mean, he maybe used that privilege like once or twice.
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I mean, you were, you were in this relationship for the entire duration.
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My longest relationship was probably just about two years.
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It's probably like, wait, don't quote me on this.
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Maybe, maybe getting on for about four years now, three, four years.
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So I can't be like, oh, we broke up here and that.
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And wait, uh, how long were you together in total?
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And you said, sorry, divorced for two years, you said?
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Talking to him about just the fact that it was after deconstructing and realizing who,
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more aligned with who I was, like, who am I apart from religion?
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And when you get to know yourself and you realize also getting married at 21, not really
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And not only did I not feel it aligned to be married to him anymore, I just didn't feel
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I have a hard time with the construct of marriage.
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I don't consider myself polyamorous, um, only because that's not something I've actually
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Um, so the way I would distinguish it, and this isn't textbook, um, polyamorous, you are
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actually having more than one partnership, and it would be treated very much like a relationship.
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There's more romantic experiences involved with both.
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Now, even though we opened our marriage toward the end, and so there have been a lot of relational
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aspects and things I've experienced, I have no desire personally right now to have myself
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in a committed relationship, even with multiple people.
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So, so just to, just to clarify, when you say polyamory, you mean it could be romantic,
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other partners as well as your primary partner.
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What you're talking about is that your marriage is open to the point where you're, you just
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There's not a romantic intimacy involved in it.
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And have you been, I mean, you've been divorced for one year.
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But I mean, you were married for what, 21 years or something?
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I mean, did you just go like ham, like, butcher, like, lower bounds or anything?
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So we, several years before the divorce, we actually started down the route of partnering
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with other couples and that came about because I've always known I was bisexual and even
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told him prior to marriage that I was into other women and had been with other women.
00:35:31.420
But then you get into the construct of, oh, now we're in church and we're in ministry
00:35:34.620
and you get, you just have to put that in a box.
00:35:39.240
And so we started having conversations after deconstructing about that.
00:35:43.120
And the whole point was to actually bring in like a woman, but he put us on a swingers
00:35:51.140
I'm very open-minded though, just as a person in general.
00:35:53.740
So I was like, yeah, whatever, we'll try it out.
00:36:02.600
But then we moved to more of an open relationship status.
00:36:07.940
And yeah, it's really hard for me because I care very much about the energetics of being
00:36:13.040
And so for me, like one night stand or just finding somebody who's a good fuck, it's
00:36:17.840
Can you, can you help me with a timeline just, just a bit?
00:36:21.660
So with your, with the same sex attraction, were you experiencing that before you became
00:36:31.580
Were you sleeping with women before you became a pastor?
00:36:40.300
And then the church, I remember you said it was non-denominational.
00:36:47.760
They were accepting, but it was, it was love the sin or not the sin.
00:37:04.660
And you would go to swingers parties or were you just meet up with a couple and.
00:37:12.940
I mean, how many different couples do you, did you swing with?
00:37:31.680
I've been single for like five months or it's been a while.
00:37:37.420
Um, my last relationship ended like over the summer and it was like five years.
00:37:48.160
He, yeah, he cheated on me with a teenager and an 18 year old.
00:37:54.380
Well, it was like right after, like he was waiting, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:01.660
Um, and so I found out and then I like punched him in the dick and then that was it.
00:38:27.800
I mean, I've been like kind of just going out and like doing whatever.
00:38:32.080
Cause I mean, catching up on five years is like, you know.
00:38:41.480
Just like, well, basically like just going out on dates, like seeing different people
00:38:46.340
and like just kind of figuring out like what my type is and like how all that works out.
00:38:53.920
And I mean, kind of similar, like, I mean, I'm pan.
00:38:58.500
And so I've been out with like a bunch of different people and women and all of that.
00:39:12.000
Like are you kind of like dating multiple people or just?
00:39:31.180
Multiply it by three and that's the real number.
00:39:35.060
The roster, but no, that's like too many people to keep up with.
00:39:54.400
Why do you know if it's not a hundred if you don't keep track?
00:40:34.540
No, there's no rebound because we were already having sex with other people.
00:40:41.120
You were like individually fucking other people during the-
00:40:45.580
And then that ended and then it was open relationship.
00:40:51.220
And then you were, okay, you were seeing people then, I see.
00:41:00.380
We were monogamous up until that point, up until the swinging.
00:41:12.020
Like how many different people were you kind of like simultaneously?
00:41:16.180
Oh, not at the same, oh, very few because I can't, I don't have time for that.
00:41:23.840
I'm in a relationship with a guy for like eight months and he's awesome.
00:41:34.440
I was like on and off with a guy for like 10 years.
00:41:38.200
And before my current relationship, I was single for four years and I had a roster, if
00:41:45.880
that's what you want to call it, but half of them were my exes because I don't like to
00:42:03.660
I had to break up with all my boyfriends when I got my new one.
00:42:08.200
Wait, so you'd have, you would have a roster, like how many boyfriends would you have at
00:42:14.300
Okay, men you were letting stick their penis inside.
00:42:19.680
I mean, like some of them were, it was, how do you say?
00:42:31.540
Um, some of them, sure, if they're having a bad day or something, but like.
00:42:38.840
I'm here to serve everybody exactly what they deserve.
00:42:48.840
Like, a lot of it's out of pity, too, you know, poor guys, like, having their heart.
00:42:54.080
Pity, pity sex is the, is the best sex a guy can do.
00:42:58.960
It's just the best when she's kind of reluctantly.
00:43:01.940
Oh, it's just like, oh, I'm so, like, going through that.
00:43:05.380
Um, I wouldn't say like, um, I wouldn't say that.
00:43:12.340
Who here has done pity, done, given, I don't know, pity sex?
00:43:31.840
I mean, the, do you think the hundred men is kind of, was that pity?
00:43:37.900
Because you can tell that they haven't shacked in a while.
00:43:55.540
Like, my whole family's watching this, so I'm trying to be a little bit, like.
00:44:10.240
Uh, I've been in a relationship for almost two years.
00:44:16.780
And before my two-year relationship, I was single for about three.
00:44:23.720
Uh, five-year relationship, who broke up with who?
00:44:28.920
And then we mutually got back together, and then we mutually broke up.
00:44:36.160
Um, I'm going on my second year with my boyfriend.
00:45:17.560
All right, that's everybody's relationship status.
00:45:24.080
I don't know why that came through like that, but...
00:45:29.940
Lily, I'm a John, and I would really love it if you started the hobby.
00:45:34.740
Please, at the very least, invite me to 1K peens per day.
00:45:41.300
In a day, Ava, please tell Blackton Vixen to show men eating out...
00:45:55.800
John, please, next time, just send the 100 tip my way.
00:46:04.180
Um, all right, we do need to get into some of the pre-show notes, so why don't we start
00:46:16.580
Uh, so Ayla, you were homeschooled from birth, uh, to the end of high school.
00:46:21.140
Your parents were, uh, evangelical fundamentalist Christians in Idaho?
00:46:28.660
Oh, we thought they were cool, but we were not Westboro.
00:46:33.480
Uh, yeah, I would say there's a spectrum from, like, normal Christian to Westboro.
00:46:43.340
You said after leaving home, uh, losing your faith and failing to attend college, you turned
00:46:48.060
to a series of shitty jobs involving, uh, like, factory work, waking up 4 a.m.
00:46:52.940
You escaped from that into the warm, wet embrace of, uh, adult content.
00:46:58.160
Which you used to fund dives into faraway realms, both physical and psychedelic.
00:47:06.560
You spent a year, uh, somehow getting addicted to LSD.
00:47:10.900
And you did become one of the top OnlyFans creators until your attention span ran out.
00:47:24.020
Um, and you've been involved in sex work since, you said 2017, was it, or?
00:47:36.940
And, uh, I watched most of your interview with Lex Friedman.
00:47:42.300
Um, you said you grew up in a very patriarchal, uh, I guess household.
00:47:47.640
Where, and, uh, to quote you, you said women were subordinate to men in regards to making
00:47:57.060
Um, I, it sounds like you kind of disagree with this sort of sentiment.
00:48:01.220
Uh, I guess maybe a jumping off point and we can get into more broad general conversations
00:48:07.380
Um, does anybody kind of agree with her when it comes to like, should women be subordinate
00:48:19.600
Didn't he just show us, that's like being subordinate, right?
00:48:23.100
His naked wife on the Grammy red carpet, she submitted to him to do that.
00:48:30.720
Like she, she really enjoys being naked in what I hear.
00:48:35.200
Pre Kanye West, there was, uh, not a lot that was stopping that woman from taking her clothes
00:48:39.240
off for anybody who she could take them off for, for a camera.
00:48:45.260
I do like, I, I do believe that men should be the leader in most situations and relationships.
00:48:50.220
But when I look at marriage specifically, it's, um, I hate the word partner cause it's like
00:48:56.700
so co-opted, but you're supposed to be complimentary to each other, right?
00:49:00.500
Like we bring out the best and we demand the best out of each other.
00:49:03.600
So I think women are really good soundboard for men and the, the best relationships, they
00:49:09.420
But I do think that there needs to be a leader in the relationship and it typically should
00:49:20.840
Um, like a, basically coming underneath, like deferring would be, I guess you could
00:49:27.280
say, um, but does anybody here, just subordination would be an underling.
00:49:32.420
So like if you're, uh, if you're at a, uh, you got to work, right?
00:49:35.780
You got a boss, uh, he's the boss, you're the subordinate.
00:49:44.420
Like, should the man be the leader or do you guys view things more 50, 50?
00:49:47.900
Well, my boyfriend, why don't we just go around the table?
00:49:52.460
So, hmm, I think it depends on the relationship.
00:49:56.240
I think that some women can lead well and some men can.
00:49:59.620
I remember last time I was saying that in my own relationship, I like it to be traditional,
00:50:04.860
but I support women, other women having the choice to be in a complementarian relationship
00:50:13.880
And I think the live chat, cause I can't see it now, but last time I was here on the
00:50:19.300
live chat, they kept saying that I wanted the good parts of feminism for myself.
00:50:24.140
And I was trying to promote the bad, quote unquote, bad parts to the rest of the female
00:50:34.180
It's just like how I have respect for people who are of a different religion than me.
00:50:38.680
Then that doesn't mean that I'm contradicting myself.
00:50:42.000
I respect their right to make that choice to believe in what they do.
00:50:50.220
Well, I'm kind of like stay at home and he is the breadwinner.
00:50:55.960
Um, I also think that when I think of a man, I think of someone masculine that kind of takes
00:51:07.380
So if we can banter back and forth and do things like that and have a say in what we're
00:51:16.460
Um, but for the most part, I, I think that a man should lead and be more masculine and,
00:51:33.520
I think it's all circumstantial and every individual relationships are different.
00:51:41.820
Um, I'm here on this podcast and my boyfriend was not down.
00:51:50.080
So like, but also like I paid for it all myself.
00:51:54.400
So unless like, you know, he was paying all the bills and stuff, maybe like I would consider
00:52:00.840
not coming onto the podcast, but since I'm, it's 50, 50, then like I can kind of do what
00:52:10.980
Um, I think it really depends on the maturity levels of each partner.
00:52:16.340
Um, but personally, I think that everybody kind of has to have their own independence within
00:52:22.560
a relationship, like just in terms of like everyone has their responsibilities and like,
00:52:28.100
but it really does just depend on the relationship and like how each person is.
00:52:34.740
Once, once we go around, I'm going to ask like a really specific question.
00:52:38.080
I think that we'll kind of get to the heart of the issue.
00:52:42.480
Except again, there's so many caveats because there's all this pressure on men to, oh,
00:52:46.200
be the leader, but men don't even know themselves.
00:52:48.240
So you're asking them to do something they don't know how to do and they haven't been
00:52:51.380
So this is why we get into all of the mix of the problems of what you see in a relationship
00:52:55.240
of the woman doesn't want to follow the lead because the lead doesn't know how to
00:53:01.260
I think it's really circumstantial, but in my personal relationship, I would like a
00:53:06.720
Carly, it looked like you want to jump in really quick or?
00:53:09.180
Yeah, I was just saying that like, I like totally agree with that.
00:53:14.740
Ayla, I guess your position on this topic, if you want to elaborate a bit.
00:53:25.600
And I'm like, well, you should you do that in order to achieve what goal?
00:53:30.340
He doesn't like, you know, like mean should is like an ought.
00:53:35.020
So when you're talking about like should and you're doing the little like autistic Hedberg
00:53:46.200
He's not saying should as an ought statement of a moral imperative.
00:53:49.540
What is a slightly higher tier of philosophy that you would recommend I try?
00:53:52.920
Well, I would I would start with understanding that you're not in a philosophical engagement
00:53:58.800
at the moment unless you see everything purely as a philosophical engagement and that there
00:54:03.440
are you would have to agree with me that you distinguish between words in the commons
00:54:06.900
and you distinguish between words which have philosophical terms.
00:54:10.380
So if somebody is engaging with you, for instance, a medical doctor or a lawyer, they're
00:54:15.800
They're going to have a different meaning than the common terms of those words or the
00:54:19.860
So when you say I don't know what should means, I actually don't believe you in this
00:54:23.860
I think you know exactly what he means by should.
00:54:26.980
This is the way that I talk all the time and sort of the question that I would ask anytime
00:54:30.980
somebody asks me if somebody should do anything.
00:54:35.220
And I just explained to you that there's a distinction here.
00:54:38.720
I still don't understand what should means in this context.
00:54:44.140
Well, it's usually dependent on something, right?
00:54:49.860
So dependent on this context, what do you think should means?
00:54:53.340
Like, my guess is probably there's some implicit, like, to be happy kind of thing.
00:55:07.980
But it's also different because sometimes people argue the purpose of, like, some types
00:55:11.560
of social structures is not to be happy, but rather to have, like, a flourishing society
00:55:16.060
Yeah, like, I'm fine getting into semantics with you when it comes to should, but can you
00:55:22.720
Should men lead their wives or some variation on that?
00:55:26.780
So he's asking from your worldview, whatever that is.
00:55:31.540
So from whatever your rational worldview is, the should sense here is ought they or ought they
00:55:42.660
Like, for happiness, I think probably a lot of people would be happier if their husbands
00:55:49.540
I don't think I would be that much happier, but I am not normal.
00:55:59.260
Ought they or ought they not for the purpose of happiness?
00:56:02.060
You sound very confident in the things that you say, but I'm not sure that makes you more
00:56:05.780
It doesn't make you more right because you don't understand the things I say either.
00:56:12.780
So I would just like an answer when you're talking about ought or ought not, ought they
00:56:16.740
or ought they not for the purpose of happiness?
00:56:19.500
I mean, maybe I'm very stupid and maybe you could explain this to me, but you're saying
00:56:26.700
You can use very small baby words for me because my small little brain has difficulty sometimes.
00:56:31.480
But when you're saying should ought they lead their wives, do you mean that there's like
00:56:37.460
a general sort of way that the world is good if it is and bad if it isn't, and you're referring
00:56:43.900
No, I'm not inferring or making an implication for anything.
00:56:47.080
This is an askance from the worldview of you who is not me.
00:56:49.940
Whatever your worldview is, who is not me, from your worldview that is not mine, ought men
00:56:58.820
I'm trying to communicate my view and my view is something like I think that some people
00:57:02.300
would be happier if their husbands led them and some people would be sadder if their husbands
00:57:06.500
I'm not sure that there's such a thing as an overarching goodness.
00:57:21.380
I do have a question related to this, though, to, again, perhaps get to the heart of the
00:57:27.620
So in a relationship or marriage, whatever, let's say there's some sort of impasse.
00:57:40.940
Um, so, and I think, Andrew, sometimes you refer to this as a threshold breaker, I think.
00:57:50.940
Or would you, I guess, either in your own dynamics, who should get final say?
00:58:00.720
Like, if you're disagreeing over, like, where should we move?
00:58:05.420
Probably you should bet on it or, like, see who would want to pay more given that you
00:58:20.700
Obviously, you have to respect the person that you're with.
00:58:22.980
So to do something that is going to damage the relationship or blatantly disrespect the
00:58:29.040
You're not going to end up with a thriving relationship.
00:58:31.420
But it's like nothing's without consequence at the same time.
00:58:38.840
Like, if you trust your husband fully and he's like, this is a terrible idea, maybe consider
00:58:43.080
the option that you're wrong and that he's right and vice versa.
00:58:45.640
So if you're telling him not to do something, and this happens a lot.
00:58:49.040
If you talk to anyone in business, the wife will be like, that person had a really sketchy
00:58:55.660
The dude ignores the woman's intuition and the thing just, like, crumbles, right?
00:58:59.300
So it's looking at the history of the relationship, too.
00:59:01.740
It's like, how often has he been right about this thing and you've been wrong and vice versa?
00:59:05.560
Andrew, if I could have you jump in really quick, do you want to provide, like, maybe
00:59:08.480
a good example of, like, an impasse sort of situation that could arise in, like, a relationship
00:59:21.480
So the idea of how money is used in or spent in a relationship versus not spent in a relationship
00:59:26.660
is one of the number one disagreements that men and women have.
00:59:30.240
So the idea is, if you can't come to an agreement on how money is spent or what school the kid
00:59:35.920
should go to, which might infer spending money as well, right?
00:59:42.060
So either a third party has to break this threshold barrier or one of you ultimately has to be
00:59:50.660
Otherwise, how do you, essentially, how do you come to an agreement if both of you disagree?
00:59:57.740
Like, how is that done if one person ultimately doesn't end up with the final say?
01:00:03.080
I don't think one person holds that position permanently.
01:00:06.840
So, and then it's also going to be who acts on it first.
01:00:09.440
So typically, women are the ones that set all of the appointments, pay the school tuition
01:00:13.480
if they're going to a private school, set up the doctor's appointments.
01:00:16.600
They make 60 to 80 percent of all of the household purchases.
01:00:20.240
So if you're just looking at behavior, you'd say women are, but that could be the man saying
01:00:25.120
no and they're just making that decision anyways.
01:00:27.740
I'm not really sure that any of that would matter, though.
01:00:32.680
So like whether or not that's right or that's helpful for a healthy relationship, like that's
01:00:41.780
I'm not sure it's actually pertinent to what I'm saying, though.
01:00:45.800
You're saying, hey, look, you know, women already have lots of household responsibilities
01:00:50.480
and so they're in a decision-making role already.
01:00:54.800
No, I'm saying that they're actually executing the decision already.
01:00:59.020
Yeah, well, they're executing the decision at the behest of the husband, though, right?
01:01:03.580
So this is the consent of the husband, essentially, is going into this decision-making meeting.
01:01:08.020
She's doing the day-to-day activities because he's saying you should do these day-to-day activities, right?
01:01:15.000
But it's when there's disagreement within that, who becomes the arbiter of it?
01:01:19.560
How do we find this threshold breaker between two people for who makes the determination
01:01:27.440
Again, I don't think anyone holds that permanently, so it's trusting your partner.
01:01:33.520
Yeah, I'm not saying that, well, okay, if they don't hold it permanently, right,
01:01:39.400
but let's say the man considers himself to be in the position of authority
01:01:42.860
and hasn't been in the position of authority, right,
01:01:46.680
this still doesn't really get to the heart of the question of if there's a disagreement
01:01:52.040
You say, well, the man doesn't hold that permanently.
01:01:56.060
But what I'm saying is when you can't reconcile the disagreement, you both disagree,
01:02:02.900
Whether you think that it's a permanent basis for a man to be in control of it or not,
01:02:11.760
Well, because the question seems that it's permanent, so maybe I'm misunderstanding of it.
01:02:16.380
But if you're saying who's in charge and who is responsible for the deal breaker,
01:02:19.740
that sounds like who is always responsible for the deal breaker.
01:02:23.500
So what the question is asking is if two people, since most relationships anyway are two people,
01:02:30.380
I understand that there's polyamorous people here in this type of thing,
01:02:33.500
but that's outside of what you would consider the norm for society.
01:02:40.420
And people generally tend to not like to share their partners.
01:02:43.640
You can dispute why that is, sexual liberation, whatever,
01:02:46.800
but it is a fact that most people are in monogamous relationships, one man, one woman, most.
01:02:54.900
So if that is the case and you have a disagreement, can't reconcile it, right,
01:03:01.280
how do you figure out who ultimately is going to have the say?
01:03:07.160
I mean, I've been in a relationship for 15 years and that's never happened.
01:03:10.260
There's never been a decision that there was an impasse.
01:03:12.780
And if there was anything that was even close to that,
01:03:16.060
we tabled it until there was a mutual decision.
01:03:19.560
Yeah, but the problem is, is like, what if it's not a mutual decision?
01:03:25.840
Well, then how well do they really communicate?
01:03:29.580
Because the reality is if you care about the person,
01:03:32.140
especially you're talking about specifically a marriage,
01:03:33.780
the whole goal of conversations where you disagree
01:03:36.320
is to let the other person feel heard, understood, and respected.
01:03:39.880
And if both people are receiving that and there's safety involved,
01:03:42.800
you're going to be able, maybe not that moment, maybe not that day,
01:03:45.980
to come to a conclusion that feels really good to the both of you
01:03:48.500
where it doesn't have to be, it's my say-so because I say-so and I'm the lead.
01:03:52.240
And I think that's where the ego gets in there and it can go wildly wrong.
01:03:56.400
Whereas a man who, if we're going back to the man that's leading,
01:03:59.880
and a man and his healthy masculinity, it doesn't come from a place of ego.
01:04:03.320
It comes from a very confident place where he knows who he is
01:04:06.360
and he cares very much for the other, for the partner, for the wife.
01:04:10.160
And so he gives a whole lot of hex, I cuss a lot, so I should have filtered,
01:04:18.180
So it's a mutual exchange of, again, being heard, understood, and respected.
01:04:22.180
There's not going to be this, okay, I get the final say.
01:04:26.780
but that is like a child-parent relationship to me.
01:04:31.100
Well, that's nice and all, but it doesn't actually answer the question.
01:04:34.960
So I understand that you're saying there should be mutual respect,
01:04:38.580
we should both feel heard, we should both discuss things, etc., etc.
01:04:44.280
So you've discussed everything and, you know, he still disagrees with you.
01:04:49.700
and I'm just really not willing to budge on this.
01:04:55.220
Either the relationship is over because you won't budge,
01:04:59.720
or he won't budge, or you won't concede, or what?
01:05:06.320
You would have to concede to the authority, right?
01:05:11.680
I thought relationships were all about compromise.
01:05:14.080
Yeah, I think the answer that you're looking for would be answered
01:05:19.200
instead of just being, like, who gets final say?
01:05:26.640
Like, if you ask a very specific, like, give us a specific scenario,
01:05:30.900
like, I think you'll get the answers that you're looking for.
01:05:33.680
I mean, the specific scenario wouldn't even be relevant,
01:05:37.120
but I could just give you one just to give you one, I guess.
01:05:45.260
It's left to both of the members of the household, not just one, okay?
01:05:51.300
And the man is saying, okay, listen, I've heard all of your reasoning.
01:06:11.000
They each get 50, and they can do what they want with it.
01:06:13.080
Yeah, and also, in this scenario, are there kids?
01:06:23.500
I want it going towards whatever this household thing is.
01:06:26.180
So already, I don't have respect for the person doing that.
01:06:39.360
and it really, once again, depends on the situation.
01:07:31.820
it would basically make men want to steer clear
01:32:19.560
Well, I think people really get mad at me a lot
01:32:33.080
Well, I think people are horrified by a lot of things.
01:33:19.620
People seem to get really mad at me for that one,
01:33:21.520
but I thought it was relatively straightforward.
01:34:19.960
which was the first time I'd seriously talked to him.
01:34:23.040
And then I was like, well, if I'm going to figure out
01:34:25.500
if I should date you, I should probably have sex with you.
01:35:04.960
you cannot tell them, I wasn't feeling your dad at all.
01:35:26.840
Yeah, but pain is just coming into contact with reality.
01:35:49.760
I had to, like, force myself to have sex with you.
01:35:52.720
Like, I feel like she would take it the wrong way.
01:35:55.680
I mean, he told me that I wasn't that pretty once
01:36:13.200
you know how people, like, kind of tell each other,
01:36:15.540
I'm like, everybody's incentivized to say positive things
01:36:31.360
You should, we should get you to do some, like,
01:36:41.440
We've collected quite a bit of data from the show.
01:36:45.720
Oh, I mean, nothing on the scale of what you're doing.
01:36:50.380
like the breakdown of, like, who's involved in sex work,
01:37:04.640
And, yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.
01:37:21.400
It would be interesting to get some stuff done.
01:37:41.240
Being a girl's boyfriend is all about committing to the bit
01:37:43.480
that she is a 10-10 and the most beautiful woman
01:37:49.860
Ayla, let me just have you read it in your voice.
01:37:55.900
I rolled over in the fetal position and groaned for, like, an hour.
01:38:00.380
out of construction paper and markers and stickers.
01:38:20.160
How many, like, did you have to force having sex with him,
01:38:26.020
I think the sixth got better by about the sixth time.
01:38:30.960
And now it's the best sex I've ever had in my life.
01:38:36.100
Because I don't think I would have given till the sixth time.
01:38:39.980
So I'm just impressed that if it wasn't good by the second, I'm done.
01:38:44.380
Well, I think there are other benefits going for him.
01:38:46.440
Like, he was really high status in my community.
01:38:49.840
And so if a guy is, like, really, like, interesting for other reasons,
01:39:00.200
And you say, when you say your community, what do you mean?
01:39:17.600
It's written by Eliezer Yudkowsky about, like, how to think less wrong.
01:39:26.020
I did a prediction market when I was coming on this show of whether I'd regret it.
01:39:42.500
how do you actually develop true beliefs about the world?
01:39:44.400
Because a lot of the time when people are thinking things, they're not, like, making,
01:39:47.680
like, really concerted efforts to make their beliefs map onto reality.
01:39:50.520
So if you can, like, make it so that if it hurts, if you're wrong, that means you actually
01:39:54.080
are incentivized to update in a way that most people are, like, really enjoy lying to themselves
01:40:03.480
Well, you just said that the truth is the thing which maps onto reality.
01:40:15.860
Just moving on here, you said that you study fetishes with an emphasis in gaps in sexuality
01:40:21.900
You've collected what is probably the largest comprehensive data set on human sexuality
01:40:27.180
Are you, like, published in any, like, journals or scientific, like, academic journals?
01:40:32.300
I have no academic association or formal training.
01:40:34.940
So it's, we, I did, there is one paper that is going through the things right now in conjunction
01:40:40.740
with Jeffrey Miller, who's an academic and an ego psych.
01:40:44.600
But, yeah, I did a survey that basically designed to go viral, and it did successfully go viral.
01:40:49.600
And now we have a total of about 800,000 completed responses for, what's a 40-minute survey of
01:40:59.000
Like, if you want correlations about body count, I have a whole bunch of data about the kinds
01:41:01.860
of people that have high body count versus low body count.
01:41:05.600
I didn't look at everything you've published, but it's interesting stuff.
01:41:09.800
Well, isn't it true that oftentimes, and I saw some deleted tweets, you can help me out
01:41:14.580
with this, but oftentimes your sample sizes for these various surveys you do, they're preloaded
01:41:22.980
I think the average age is 22, with, like, median is a little bit lower than that.
01:41:30.400
It's not representative of the general population, but there are ways to check...
01:41:34.800
I mean, why should we take any of it seriously, then, like, any of this data?
01:41:40.220
So, the majority of all published data in sex science is either equally or more so biased
01:41:45.520
than what I have, and also there's, like, methods of checking...
01:41:51.160
Let's do a claim into time here before you gish gallop around.
01:41:54.280
What is your demonstration or evidence that most sex scientific data is more biased than
01:42:00.020
By biased, I mean the selection effects cause it to be less representative than the general
01:42:06.320
Generally, it's, you get, like, 30 to 40 undergrads in a college is very common.
01:42:13.360
Yeah, but that's not a demonstration that most sex data is biased in comparison to yours,
01:42:20.300
That would not be proof or evidence that more of it is biased than your own data.
01:42:25.420
I mean, mostly it's just from reading a whole bunch of papers.
01:42:27.480
I just have read a bunch of papers, and also talk to a bunch of academics.
01:42:33.480
Yeah, but how's it, I mean, how's that a demonstration, though, that most sex data is less biased than
01:42:38.600
your sex data, which is loaded with teenagers who are definitely not a good sample size of
01:42:49.080
So there's, like, really interesting things about, like, how to balance selection effects
01:42:55.860
So one, you can also pay random samples to sort of spot check to see in what ways that
01:43:00.960
your sample deviates from the normal population, which I do this often.
01:43:04.420
I will, if there are things that seem particularly unusual, I will go spot check to see exactly
01:43:11.740
Like, these are all using the, that basic control, like, I would assume would be present
01:43:21.340
I know, I know it's shocking, but most sex research does not...
01:43:25.100
What's the percentage where basic controls are not being used in sociological studies,
01:43:30.280
I have not made a spreadsheet out of all of the studies that I have read, and whether
01:43:38.680
Yeah, so you don't have anything backing this up at all?
01:43:48.240
Let's say I made a spreadsheet right now, and I just put all of this is bullshit, and then
01:43:53.800
What would that have to do with anything that we're talking about?
01:43:56.180
I wouldn't, I would not need a spreadsheet in order to question basic methodology.
01:44:01.720
Would you make these bold claims like, oh, my studies, the ones that I'm doing, actually
01:44:07.760
are less biased than ones which are done by professional universities, and I say, wow,
01:44:17.820
It's like, well, then why should any of that be taken seriously?
01:44:20.400
I've just read a whole bunch of studies, and the vast majority of them, like the biggest
01:44:26.600
data sample size I've read maybe is like 8,000 people.
01:44:31.340
And generally, for example, if you're looking at BDSM, I was like, oh, I wonder what research
01:44:36.680
has been done on BDSM and the kinds of people who like BDSM compared to my sample, for example.
01:44:42.240
And most of the research is, for example, people will go to BDSM forums, and then they
01:44:53.800
I'm giving an example of something that is very common for all of it.
01:44:57.020
Listen, I'm not looking for your outlier examples of when they're not outliers.
01:45:05.240
Don't you need to have a spreadsheet to show that all the controls are going to be used?
01:45:06.920
I have read basically all of the studies on BDSM that I can find.
01:45:11.760
It's possible that there's a bunch of them I haven't found, that all of them mysteriously
01:45:15.720
They don't use spot check for peer review study, really.
01:45:17.660
Not the, not like, the thing is you don't necessarily have to, right?
01:45:21.580
It depends on the kinds of things that you're measuring.
01:45:25.200
Yeah, because the controls are going to be, the controls are going to be variable based
01:45:27.440
I need, I need you guys to both make a closing statement on this.
01:45:30.720
I don't really find this particularly material to the conversation.
01:45:36.800
And since it's preloaded with essentially teenagers on Twitter, teenagers in other places
01:45:42.080
who are overloading the sample size, not representative of anything, like nothing.
01:45:46.640
There's really no good reason to believe it at all.
01:45:50.520
Even if it were the case that it were true, that it's still less biased than what is being
01:45:56.920
put forward by sociologists and sex studies facilities somewhere or universities, that
01:46:03.760
Even if all their data was wrong, still wouldn't prove your data's good.
01:46:09.600
It's selection effects, not necessarily biased.
01:46:12.740
And this is why there's lots of techniques that we can use to determine exactly the ways
01:46:18.800
And it's a long story, but I can go into all of those techniques that I have.
01:46:28.800
Oh, he asked me to do a closing statement, so I thought I was supposed to just do a second.
01:46:31.760
Time permitting, we can maybe come back to the discourse about validity of surveys and
01:46:43.560
But you said there's about a 1.5 times ratio gap of dominance for submission in both directions.
01:46:55.420
Like for when I asked the men, which was like 250,000 people or something, this holds
01:47:01.020
true even if you delete all of the teenagers and you look at older people.
01:47:03.940
But the people who report, like around 1.5 as many women report being into submission
01:47:10.220
as there are men who report being into dominance.
01:47:12.420
And there are also around 1.5 times the amount of men interested in submission as there are
01:47:23.360
There's a few more notes, but I need to get through a couple things first here, guys.
01:47:28.220
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01:48:40.100
If husband is, one, impeccably competent, virtuous and moral.
01:48:45.100
Two, he's a New York City big law partner, attorney.
01:48:59.100
Should I submit to his authority unconditionally?
01:49:01.700
I guess going around the table if you want to answer that question.
01:49:04.260
So, basically, it's a question from a woman, from the wife.
01:49:08.220
So, her husband is awesome, attorney, high earner, tall, attractive, physically attractive.
01:49:22.920
Should she submit to his authority unconditionally?
01:49:29.300
I'm afraid that if I just am going to take so many issues with the definitions of words that everybody is going to be annoyed.
01:49:38.320
I absolutely love getting into the definition of words and semantics.
01:49:41.100
Well, we already talked about this particular conversation for quite a bit.
01:49:43.900
Unconditionally, and see if we agree or disagree with it.
01:49:45.880
I mean, it's conditional on him being him, right?
01:49:48.380
So, like, if we enter a transhumanist future where you slowly change all the atoms in his body until he no longer is himself.
01:50:02.120
There is no condition under which one would not submit.
01:50:05.420
And I just find that, anyway, this is why I'm saying we should, people will be annoyed.
01:50:14.380
Yeah, so then I don't know why you needed the word defined if you already knew that the answer was no.
01:50:26.000
And the thing is, like, if it is the case that you know what's being asked and that you purposely obfuscate, right, that's what I was talking about earlier about low tier.
01:50:51.580
I will say yes in the sense of if he's, you can always say your piece.
01:50:59.820
Say your piece, you can compromise, and if he does respect you and love you, he will change his answer to at least compromise.
01:51:07.400
If he doesn't change the answer to compromise, then unfortunately, like, you can walk out tomorrow, I guess, and then you're just going to be homeless.
01:51:19.480
I think all relationships have rules, and if someone is breaking those rules, then they have to reconsider the relationship altogether.
01:51:35.140
Candice and Andrew is the best team up I've seen on the Internet since Eva Lavia and Abela Danger.
01:51:43.860
Have fun or cheers, whatever they say in the U.K.
01:51:48.160
Candice had a bunch of really mean things that she said about me, even though I've never talked about her or even discussed her or even knew anything about her.
01:51:57.500
I would actually like her to respond to all the mean things that she said.
01:51:59.860
She made a lot of horrible allegations, too, that weren't true.
01:52:02.660
I don't know if – is this something you want to get into or –
01:52:09.000
I would like to get into it because you said some pretty mean things about me, and I didn't – what did I ever do to you?
01:52:15.160
Well, no, but I think you would probably agree and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you decide to be on the Internet and make content,
01:52:21.600
then you're going to be subject to other people having an opinion on it, no?
01:52:24.420
The great thing is, though, is that when I make commentary on what other people say, I don't lie and do my research.
01:52:33.700
Well, you made a – here's the most serious allegation.
01:52:36.680
You said that I had a belief that if men cheat and women cheat, that it's okay for men to cheat and not okay for women to cheat.
01:52:43.640
Or, I'm sorry, vice versa, it's okay for men to cheat and not okay for women, right?
01:52:48.560
Not only have I literally never said that once, the opposite, in fact, emphatically, you also pulled me in with red pillars, of which I'm not.
01:52:58.880
You lied over and over and over because you didn't do any research whatsoever, and I would like you to answer as to, like,
01:53:05.140
why you think it's okay to lie about people on the Internet who have never done anything to you.
01:53:08.900
Well, I certainly didn't lie, and you'd have to pull up the exact tweet where I'm naming you specifically.
01:53:15.600
I know, but it has to be addressing who I'm talking about because you've had multiple male hosts.
01:53:21.160
You say my name, Andrew, and then go through and accuse me of these things.
01:53:44.860
No, it could have been Andrew – no, it could absolutely have been Andrew Tate, and then there have been –
01:53:49.020
Well, hold on, because you're asking a question.
01:53:51.340
No, no, but I'm referencing whatever, unless Andrew Tate is written or whatever.
01:53:54.280
No, it could have been whatever, but here's – I honestly – I didn't know your name until I was coming on the show, to be honest.
01:53:59.920
So if I said Andrew, it could have been me misspeaking, because there have been other men that were hosting on here.
01:54:04.440
And then it was a clip that – I don't even know how old it was.
01:54:10.040
It was referring to one of the male, like, either hosts or guests, and I'm not sure what his role was.
01:54:15.760
Okay, so then why would I say it about you if you didn't say it?
01:54:22.920
Well, then I would have to find the clip in question, so that's not –
01:54:27.580
No, I'm saying I would have to – oh, my goodness.
01:54:31.940
I'm saying I would have to find the clip that I was commentating on, because it is possible that maybe I said the wrong name.
01:54:40.620
My intention is not to lie, but there was absolutely a clip that I saw on this podcast.
01:54:45.240
And, again, I don't know if it was a host or a guest.
01:54:49.120
And the argument was that if – and I don't think it was you.
01:54:57.540
But he was saying that if a man was abusing his wife, that it was the wife's duty to seek counseling within the church and not divorce,
01:55:05.540
but if the woman cheated, that that would be grounds for divorce.
01:55:09.760
Is it possible that it got edited and what I watched was not true?
01:55:13.420
If I was prepared, I could come with the clip that I was commentating on.
01:55:16.540
And if the clip was inaccurate or if I missaid the name, I will apologize without, like, any embarrassment whatsoever,
01:55:25.820
But I can't do that because I don't have the clip.
01:55:30.900
Unfortunately, I can't debunk this if we can't play it.
01:55:35.440
But what I am going to say is this, is, like, it definitely was an attribution and a mischaracterization of anything I've ever said and total nonsense.
01:55:50.620
But if we can't get into it, we can't get into it.
01:55:53.060
And, again, I don't think I was saying it about you because I don't know the guy's name.
01:56:01.960
No, no, I'm sure it wasn't you because the guy, like, he looked like he was in his 20s.
01:56:10.880
I don't know that I, again, I don't have the clip, so I can't say it.
01:56:13.860
And if I said Andrew, it could have been me just using the wrong name because I literally had my producer, like, send me little bios of you guys before I came here.
01:56:21.660
And he said, end quote, those guys who host that show, right, they like nothing better than to be in a room so that they can abuse women and you'll never see them debating with men.
01:56:33.540
Well, yeah, and you would say that there have been good conversations on the Internet with you that are treating women with respect.
01:56:41.220
Like, that's what this podcast is known for is really reasonable conversations where everyone is mutually talking to each other with respect.
01:56:47.720
Yeah, that has not – let's assume for a second everybody is always fighting on here and yelling at each other and screaming at each other.
01:56:54.960
That has nothing to do with your claim that men on here would much rather be sitting across from women and debating with women because they're – essentially you're inferring that they're a bunch of cowards.
01:57:04.940
It's like I actually am quite famous for debating men around the world, especially on these topics, right?
01:57:10.860
Like, it's – in some ways, right, I've been accused of – it's not dignified enough for me to give you guys even the time of day.
01:57:22.300
Yet I think that that is actually a very mean-spirited thing to say.
01:57:26.740
I think that you guys deserve, if you have arguments and things like that, to have them heard out.
01:57:32.260
That almost seems like it's anti-misogynistic to me in that you have a misogynistic position.
01:57:38.580
I don't think that you're genuinely here to, like, listen or change opinions on anything because that doesn't make good content.
01:57:45.960
It may not change yours, but remember that these clips and views go out to millions of people.
01:57:51.940
And the idea is not – and this is every debate which exists, by the way – the idea is not necessarily to change the opponent's mind.
01:57:58.620
The opponent is there to represent their worldview, and I'm here to represent mine.
01:58:02.320
It is not necessarily to change your mind, though that has happened, too.
01:58:06.160
It ultimately is to put our worldviews against each other and see which one makes more sense, at least to the general public.
01:58:12.680
So, yeah, I think I've changed tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of minds even.
01:58:17.960
Sure, but, I mean, to count – to push back on the idea that you would be accepting of having men on the show, there have been multiple times.
01:58:25.080
And, for example, there was a Navy SEAL friend of mine that was supposed to come on the show with a girl to do the debate, flew in, and was turned down at the door after they paid for all of their expenses.
01:58:40.800
And then I was supposed to come on with a friend, too, who is former special ops.
01:58:44.640
He couldn't come on because he ended up having to shoot a movie.
01:58:49.440
And they're like, actually, no, we don't want any men.
01:59:19.280
I mean, so, you're claiming we booked a Navy SEAL.
01:59:34.160
And then I also heard from one degree of way, and I'm not going to say his name, but that
01:59:39.660
he's had friends come on the show, and their mic was muted the whole time, or that the
01:59:44.680
content gets edited in a way to make them look bad.
01:59:48.260
We can address some of those different arguments, but let's start with the one of us turning
01:59:57.800
Because sometimes women will show up with a dude.
02:00:04.700
Like, girls will show up with a plus one that wasn't cleared by us, and we're like, the
02:00:10.880
only people who we allow in the building have to be scheduled to be on the show.
02:00:16.440
Sometimes girls will bring their boyfriends, and they'll try to like, oh, can I hop on the
02:00:21.580
I don't even think I've talked to a Navy SEAL, and I do all the guest booking.
02:00:28.840
So I'm very close and familiar to who does and does not come on the show.
02:00:36.620
So I don't know why some Navy SEAL, you'd assume this is a person of good moral character,
02:00:45.680
That particular accusation, she makes it in the clip.
02:00:49.460
Yeah, this person, you know, showed up at the door, everything was paid for, they were
02:00:58.020
So again, here's why I take issue with it, right?
02:01:03.920
Why is it that I'm not allowed to ask you, like, did you ever even reach out to Brian
02:01:10.040
Did you ever do any research on it before you decided that you'd put that out there to
02:01:17.280
You didn't even like bother to even ask about it.
02:01:20.560
And it's like, so of course I consider that to be slanderous and lying and nonsense, right?
02:01:26.380
Because, I mean, did you do any due diligence to verify?
02:01:29.280
How many episodes do you have men on that have opposing opinions?
02:01:35.320
So if me saying that you don't have men on to debate, you don't have men on to debate.
02:01:41.440
Yeah, how's that relevant to the actual false accusation?
02:01:43.400
No, it's relevant to saying that you don't have men on to debate.
02:01:46.140
We've had Destiny, Destiny is who's like one of the strongest left-wing debaters.
02:01:49.740
That's one person, so it's almost like that exception is actually proving the rule.
02:01:52.780
Like, if it was normal that you would have, like...
02:02:12.800
Yeah, I've done a multitude of debates on whatever between myself and men, just by ourselves
02:02:19.100
And there's been other times where there's been men on these panels, and I'm happy to debate
02:02:27.500
I mean, but how does that pertain to the false accusation?
02:02:33.880
I don't know if it's shifting the goalposts or whatever, but I mean, I must be prepared
02:02:41.240
If you can provide any sort of evidence, mind you, I've spoken to thousands of people,
02:02:46.280
I'm so confident that this is totally fabricated and made up, that a Navy SEAL showed up at
02:02:52.140
our door, we had him on schedule, and then we're like, oh, actually, no.
02:03:08.560
No, I'm not betting, because I mean, I have no idea.
02:03:22.380
He was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there, but ultimately, that's why.
02:03:27.060
That's why I wanted to address this, because I'm like, well, okay, how many fabrications
02:03:32.660
has this girl made about this podcast and about its hosts that are just completely not true?
02:03:38.660
But then they get out in the ethos like they are true.
02:03:41.500
And then, so, anecdotally speaking, obviously, that doesn't say anything at scale, but I
02:03:47.100
think the first time I was invited on the show was probably like two or three years ago.
02:03:50.320
And it was in response to a clip that I had going, was called Cancelled Weekly, with Gerard Michaels
02:03:57.040
And the response was to have me come on, but not the other two co-hosts that were male.
02:04:06.040
Yeah, I don't know if it was to me or Gerard, if there was a group, I'm not sure.
02:04:14.160
And then when JT was supposed to come and then that got canceled, then the response was...
02:04:28.080
So we were prepared to have him and you on the show.
02:04:31.740
And then we were like, well, do you still want to come?
02:04:37.720
You reacted to this clip of me having a back and forth with this obnoxious woman who came
02:04:42.900
on intentionally to troll the show, and I had to kick her off the show.
02:04:45.480
But as it pertains to the kind of initial reach out, which was back in February of 2024,
02:04:54.720
you said you wanted to be a guest, but the stipulation is the guys have to be able to
02:04:58.760
And I said, we could accommodate, excuse me, we could accommodate one of your male guests.
02:05:03.580
So we didn't outright deny them, but I was like, well, we can have one.
02:05:07.820
We typically only like to book two people together.
02:05:12.960
You can get anybody who you want, who has issues with any of my views, who's a man.
02:05:20.160
I'll fly out there and debate all of them in person happily.
02:05:32.000
And just to like, actually, and if you want to verify this, but in March, I said, we could
02:05:41.420
And I asked if you primarily want to debate the kickoff of that one girl who came on and
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I checked in a week later, checking in, checked in two weeks later.
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Uh, wanted to see if there's still an invitation, JT, he wants to come on.
02:06:18.380
We were in a group chat, so I don't see the, and then we shifted the conversation over there.
02:06:24.580
He canceled a week prior because of a movie, I don't know, whatever.
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But, I think that would indicate that we were prepared to have a male, a male guest on.
02:06:37.980
By the way, just so you know, the clip title, the clip title is, it says, Andrew Wilson Cringe.
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Just so you know, my name is Andrew Wilson, and there's never been, to my knowledge, another
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I'm just letting you know that the clip is called Andrew Wilson Cringe.
02:06:58.560
If it's called Andrew Wilson, I'm just kidding.
02:07:00.320
That's the editor, unless my mouth said your name, which I don't think it did.
02:07:06.540
It said Andrew, and then it says Andrew Wilson Cringe.
02:07:09.260
Okay, so I was probably talking about Tate, and then the editors probably put your name.
02:07:21.240
I don't want to linger too long on the meta conversation because it's, you know, whatever.
02:07:41.980
You said that there were, like, other people who, like, we kicked them out, or, like, we, like, denied them at the door?
02:07:56.160
Yeah, like, it was my friend's friend, and, like, he didn't see, he didn't see them, like, a liar.
02:08:02.180
Wait, so, just, and just so I understand the situation correctly, we had him on schedule.
02:08:08.280
No, but he showed up, and we're, like, oh, sorry.
02:08:11.420
That's what I was told, that it was only, like, she, the only the woman was allowed on.
02:08:18.380
I can't argue because I don't have any, I don't have anything.
02:08:21.200
I feel like we're, like, trying to make an argument when I'm saying I don't have an argument.
02:08:29.780
I think it would be kind of rude to, like, invite somebody on.
02:08:32.880
They spend money to come here, and then we're just like, oh, fuck you.
02:08:46.620
In fact, I can give you a story of a time where there's been regret.
02:08:50.900
Like, Brian's like, maybe I shouldn't have invited this person, but, man, they spent this money to come out here,
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Like, that's more Brian's attitude than the alternative.
02:09:04.540
Anyways, I don't know why people are making up these lies.
02:09:11.140
I mean, you don't have to show me, but obviously not now on the podcast, but I'd be curious to see the actual basis for these claims,
02:09:28.380
Why don't we just play the clip, and then we'll move on to the next thing.
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And I'm pretty sure I've seen Chris who speak on this.
02:09:40.660
If a woman cheats, or if she's unfaithful because her man's not, he should just leave her.
02:09:44.460
Right, so a guy's allowed to exit the relationship, and her behavior is never justifiable.
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If he cheats with nothing but compassion, she deserved it.
02:09:52.340
Beauty sex is terrible, but also don't weaponize it.
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So it's a this and thing, and you have to check in with it.
02:09:55.960
And I'm curious how long any of these people have been married, and how many children they have, and how happy they are.
02:09:59.200
Because there's also this idea that no matter what you have to say in a relationship, especially if there's kids,
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and I don't know that that's true, I think that they deserve to see their parents in love.
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And if you can't make that happen, I think there are way worse things by sticking it out for the kids.
02:10:08.660
That's something I've kind of come around on as well.
02:10:13.980
We were actually supposed to go, me and a friend, go on the show.
02:10:16.380
I don't think it's going to happen because we did some due diligence, and they in the past have brought on a Navy SEAL.
02:10:20.480
He flies all the way to Northern California to do the show.
02:10:23.880
And it's because if you bring on a man, especially an alpha, these guys cannot stand it.
02:10:27.840
All they want to do is sit across from women and bully them and badger them and dunk on them,
02:10:31.200
and it's just an excuse to exercise actual sexism.
02:10:33.580
And I don't use that word a lot because I don't think that it is as prevalent as it used to be and as much of a problem.
02:10:38.080
Please don't get your relationship advice from there.
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Look for healthy, healed, whole, masculine role models.
02:10:43.020
If you are blaming half of the population for all of your problems and the answers, it's always just women, it's always just e-girls, it's always whatever, you might be the problem, buddy.
02:10:52.160
This wasn't on the beating or the divorce or cheating.
02:10:56.500
I think that was in reference to a duty sex tweet.
02:11:02.200
That's not what we were talking about earlier, though.
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It's referencing me, and the position is actually incorrect.
02:11:17.060
Yeah, so this is a – what you're referencing is we're talking from a Christian paradigm.
02:11:20.860
So from a Christian – it's not a statement that women have or don't have duty sex.
02:11:25.960
It's a statement from the position of the Christian or the Muslim paradigm or, let's say, ex-paradigm that within that paradigm there is a duty that women have to fulfill the obligation of the marriage.
02:11:41.740
Yeah, it just seems like we're talking about multiple – we're talking about different things because initially we were talking about abuse and cheating and divorce, and then now we're circling to duty sex.
02:11:51.940
And then when I see Rachel Wilson in the comments, I don't make my titles.
02:12:02.720
Yeah, I know, but she said you did your due diligence.
02:12:07.140
We checked into this, and the whole thing's bullshit.
02:12:15.860
You said we did our due diligence when it came to the Navy SEAL and this type of thing.
02:12:19.080
Oh, my due diligence was asking references that I trusted.
02:12:26.280
Well, no, it wouldn't because if I don't believe that he's an honest actor –
02:12:29.860
Right, but we've – no, because we've never met before, and all I've seen is like a –
02:12:33.400
Wait, can I ask you one – yeah, yeah, can I ask you one question?
02:12:35.940
Well, no, I'm – every time you ask me a question, I get cut off, and then if I try to talk, then you guys are like, no, let me finish.
02:12:43.360
Look, you've talked way more than we have, just so you know, but go ahead.
02:12:46.480
I was – you're asking what my due diligence was, and I was saying that I asked people that had said that they were either on the show, came on the show, their experience.
02:12:56.080
So to reach out to someone that I already kind of see as a position of being in an adversarial position, like, there's not really any – there's not trust built.
02:13:04.320
So if you say something, I don't know you or your character.
02:13:08.800
Did you hear it directly from the said Navy SEAL?
02:13:16.080
A friend told you that they knew somebody who knew a Navy SEAL.
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I can't because it's going to give people away.
02:13:25.100
I'm just asking, did you hear it from the person?
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I know, but the line of questioning is going to, like, throw certain people under the bus, and I'm not – I can't do that.
02:13:31.360
I mean, they threw me under the bus, but that's fine.
02:13:36.420
Don't even, like, reporters, when they have a story that they're commenting on, don't they contact the source and verify it?
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Like, just ask them, hey, did this even happen?
02:13:48.600
Like, how hard would that have been – if it's due diligence, like, how hard would it have actually been to just say, hey, did this actually happen?
02:13:54.880
I guess we disagree on how I should have approached it, and that's fine.
02:13:59.240
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm guessing that you would not appreciate me putting a video out to hundreds of thousands of people,
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which was filled with besmirching lies about you if I didn't do my, quote, due diligence.
02:14:12.860
I would have been like, hey, is this actually true?
02:14:16.880
And then I'd get the other side of the story, right?
02:14:18.520
I'm sure you would actually appreciate that more, wouldn't you?
02:14:20.840
I mean, I would, absolutely, but if I have full trust in someone else and they tell me something
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and they've done nothing to allude to the fact that, like, I need to be doubting what they're saying,
02:14:33.380
I don't know, because you did your due diligence.
02:14:41.400
I mean, also just to, like, I guess provide you with an opportunity to potentially even verify the story.
02:14:47.300
Like, if you want to get up and, like, text the individual and be like, hey, is this, like, do you have any evidence for this?
02:14:54.120
I can ask, and then I can ask if he's willing for me to share it.
02:14:59.960
I mean, I feel like it would be important for a Navy SEAL to, like, that seems kind of like a position of, I don't know.
02:15:22.160
That seems reasonable, but, I mean, I can tell you, yeah, just totally.
02:15:33.160
But, and you said there were, like, other people who also got turned away?
02:15:40.400
The same, not the same individual, like, the same person, like, was putting feelers out.
02:15:44.280
And they've had, I don't know the girls' names, but, like, a bunch of, like, their girlfriends
02:15:49.260
have come on, and, like, they were sharing stories with him, and then, like, there was
02:15:55.280
a couple stories where guys got turned away, but it could have been what you were saying,
02:15:57.780
right, where they weren't approved, and they weren't supposed to be on the show in the
02:16:00.780
I mean, we get dozens of messages a day of people requesting to be on the show.
02:16:05.920
So, when it comes to, yeah, but, I mean, we turn people down if they DM us.
02:16:12.840
Like, we don't just, like, most people just ignore DMs like that.
02:16:17.340
Every single person who DMs us, even if we're not interested in having them on the show,
02:16:21.200
we say, hey, unfortunately, something like, unfortunately, at this time, we, you know,
02:16:26.420
we're, can't have you on, it's a little more diplomatic than that, but can't have you on
02:16:32.580
If anything changes, we'll be sure to reach out.
02:16:34.940
So, we turn people down, like, in the DMs, but we've never had somebody, like, booked
02:16:40.960
to be on the show, and then we, like, they come to the studio at the door, ah, don't
02:16:48.040
really, nah, you can't be on the, never has happened, ever.
02:16:52.060
Hasn't happened to a male, hasn't happened to any women.
02:16:57.960
Actually, you know what, there was one woman who, she showed up unannounced with a service
02:17:06.840
It was like a chihuahua, that shit was not a service animal.
02:17:10.500
And I was like, and he was barking, it was barking.
02:17:14.320
And normally, we would try to accommodate somebody with a service animal, but it was clearly not
02:17:19.780
It was not trained to, um, to do a certain task.
02:17:25.560
And he was barking, which would not be a reasonable, it would not be a reasonable accommodation.
02:17:34.960
So, in that instance, we did turn her away, although we did offer her, like, could some,
02:17:40.540
could, she came with a friend, I was like, can your friend watch the dog?
02:17:43.280
That's the only instance where we're just like, we can't have the barking dog in the studio.
02:17:51.940
That's the only, that's come to my, that we've ever turned anybody away, and for good reason.
02:18:06.960
We have a couple chats, unless Andrew, you wanted to, was there more there?
02:18:12.400
Yeah, I did just want to point out, like, I do have a video in front of me.
02:18:18.060
You're definitely talking about me, but you're, you're literally misappropriating the position,
02:18:24.760
And then you go on to say that, basically, Andrew's a beta male.
02:18:31.100
They don't know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
02:18:33.680
But the thing is, is like, when you're talking about viewpoints, you're talking about from
02:18:39.720
So, if I was going to reference a view that you had, I would say, from your view, is XYZ
02:18:48.920
And then I would always make the reference to the Christian worldview.
02:18:50.960
I'd say, here's why it's true from the perspective here.
02:18:53.520
You would, you would then go maybe back and forth and you could say, hey, you know, the
02:18:56.900
Christian view is wrong and here's why, et cetera, et cetera.
02:18:59.560
In this case, though, you didn't even reference that that, that the tweet was from the view
02:19:14.640
We're meshing up so many things in this one argument.
02:19:17.320
So, we started with me talking about the, about the clip.
02:19:22.840
I thought we were talking about a totally different clip initially when we first started this
02:19:27.300
So, I thought we were, that's why I thought I was thinking, well, Rachel is saying that
02:19:33.100
I'm saying I didn't know which clip we were talking about.
02:19:36.740
I thought we were talking about a younger, like that one younger co-host that I think
02:19:40.100
you used to have talking about cheating and abuse specifically in regards to divorce
02:19:45.880
That was a totally different clip that I'm now realizing we weren't.
02:19:49.060
No, I'm just establishing that I'm not, I'm not intentionally lying.
02:19:52.000
There's just confusion as to what content we're talking about.
02:19:54.160
So, moving on to the tweet about duty sex, if you're talking about this and there was
02:19:58.960
more context, like obviously things get taken the wrong way in a tweet.
02:20:02.740
So, if there's like more interpretation that you have in regard to duty sex, happy to hear
02:20:09.460
The way that I read that tweet was that basically.
02:20:11.900
Yeah, from a Christian view, from a Christian view.
02:20:16.240
Wives and husbands have a duty to sleep with each other from a Christian view.
02:20:20.800
You can find this in Paul when he's talking about depriving, right?
02:20:28.240
There's counseling, which revolves around this.
02:20:30.780
Specifically, that neither party is to deprive the other party of this thing.
02:20:36.720
This is not something that I even think is a controversial view, right?
02:20:42.500
But it's being mischaracterized here, and the reason you're mischaracterizing it is because
02:20:46.880
you're trying to make it seem like Andrew Wilson's a monster, and what he's trying to
02:20:50.800
do is say that women have an obligation to have sex at the demand of their husband.
02:20:55.540
And it's like, well, that's not only such a mischaracterization, but we could have cleared
02:21:01.560
And I would have been like, here's actually what's going on.
02:21:03.400
Well, you know what you're doing when you're tweeting, too, which is why you're successful
02:21:07.000
and why you have a big account and why you get so much engagement.
02:21:10.260
So, like, there is a little bit of that edge when you are going to a tweet.
02:21:14.480
So, it's not like I just fell into this tweet and intentionally misrepresented you, and it
02:21:20.220
was just, it was like a blatant mischaracterization.
02:21:22.440
No, what you're saying is that it was a bait tweet.
02:21:24.040
No, I'm saying that you're very good at what you do.
02:21:26.680
I'm saying you're very good at what you do, and you're good at ruffling feathers, and
02:21:31.840
You couldn't have fallen for the bait, though, if you had done your due diligence.
02:21:41.060
It's black and white text right there, and if you do something that...
02:21:48.000
Well, now that you have, like, more characters available, but there's not, especially if there's
02:22:00.680
Due diligence would be like, hey, what did you mean by this, right?
02:22:07.940
But here, I got to do a couple chats, and then also, here, we'll do a couple shout-outs
02:22:28.340
Thank you for the 25 on Venmo, and then Joshua Burden.
02:22:43.360
Guys, W's in the chat for all them, and then we do have a couple chats coming in here.
02:23:02.620
We have three more reads coming through here in just a moment.
02:23:26.820
You don't have to push her in her chair anymore.
02:23:35.740
We have another chat here coming in in just a moment from our good friend, Jason Casello.
02:23:41.280
Guys, if you want your own chat to come in, it's 100 for read at intervals, TTS 200.
02:24:00.060
I think that I've been respectful the whole time.
02:24:07.180
And just to be clear, I just saw that clip, like Andrew sent it.
02:24:13.580
To go to the accountability part, I feel like I've been very open about either me making a mistake
02:24:18.440
or being open to the fact that I had false information.
02:24:22.860
I said if I'm wrong, I'm happy to apologize and say that I'm wrong.
02:24:27.480
The only issue, well, that's not accountability.
02:24:30.060
Accountability is saying that I'm wrong in a...
02:24:54.800
Like, hey, I'm sorry you smirched your fine show, Brian.
02:24:57.800
Did I not say that I would apologize if I was wrong, that I would do that text?
02:25:09.620
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
02:25:21.340
Here, if you want, though, you're welcome to...
02:25:24.280
Yeah, I was going to get water anyways, if that's okay.
02:25:37.140
You make false accusations against the show, Andrew, without finding out the facts.
02:26:04.920
Do, like, hoes tend to come from this one, area code?
02:26:13.060
I want to try to get more people in, so let me actually...
02:26:32.820
Um, maybe towards the end of the show, I'll get into some of the others, though.
02:26:41.400
Whatever podcast gets a fucking honorable mention in her...
02:27:06.060
Uploaded a gangbang, had sex with 101 men, and then announced plans to have sex with 300,
02:27:22.340
Lillian Daisy Phillips was born in Derbyshire, England, and identifies as a feminist.
02:27:54.580
You know, who cares about the rest of the article?
02:27:57.300
Phillips explicitly targets men with her content and promoted herself on podcasts optimized
02:28:06.340
for the manosphere, such as the Whatever podcast.
02:28:16.840
We made it in the Wikipedia article of the girl who...
02:28:25.260
And then some of you others have Wikipedia articles.
02:28:34.380
I'm very disappointed in you, Ayla, and I'm about to tell you why.
02:28:44.160
Now, I sent her a message yesterday, insisting she brings an accordion to the studio.
02:28:55.560
She was like, I don't have an accordion with me.
02:28:59.060
I spent an hour today trying to fucking find an accordion.
02:29:14.720
Andrew Wilson's gonna get the Wikipedia article soon, too.
02:29:23.480
You were making $100,000 in some months on OnlyFans.
02:29:34.220
And then, once Candice is back, she doesn't have an English Wikipedia article.
02:29:41.320
She has a French Wikipedia article, which I'm gonna read in French.
02:29:58.920
Okay, pull up Candice's Wikipedia article in French.
02:30:09.880
I was looking for Wikipedia, so Lily has one, Ayla has one, and then you had, like,
02:30:16.900
But then there's a French version, too, so pull it up.
02:30:44.900
Don't scroll down, because she's wearing something.
02:31:04.440
A tourné sa première scène lesbienne pour la Société de Production de Films Pornographiques
02:31:15.440
Le début de sa carrière d'actrice pornographique, sa...
02:32:29.800
Anyways, I'm going to move on to the rest of the notes here.
02:32:50.600
I'm sorry, Brian and Mr. Andrew, but I've been in love with Candice.
02:32:56.460
Candice, leave your husband and his children for me immediately.
02:33:01.980
Would you, if OJ Simpson was still alive, would you abandon your children and your husband
02:33:17.780
I mean, allegedly, yeah, the evidence is pretty convincing.
02:33:21.980
No, I have no interest in my head being removed from my body.
02:33:29.900
You know how Johnny Cash went to, like, prisons?
02:33:42.860
He was, like, uh, uh, what, what, country, blues?
02:33:46.720
What do you, what do you, like, categorize him?
02:34:09.900
I know some of the words, but I don't know Johnny Cash.
02:34:23.400
Not a prison one, though, because I don't, I don't know how I'd get into a prison and
02:34:36.760
Like, the prisons in, in the UK, isn't, like, the Crown.
02:34:55.640
It's kind of sad what's going, what's happening to.
02:35:00.900
I don't know by heart, but, but you should do a, uh, what is it?
02:35:07.940
Uh, it goes, uh, all the stories have been told of Kings
02:35:11.820
of days, of Kings and days of old, but there's no England now.
02:35:15.940
All the wars that were won and lost somehow don't seem to matter very much.
02:35:26.160
It's basically saying, like, England was this, uh.
02:35:37.380
What, you think it's got even worse since then?
02:35:45.860
So, we're probably helping the England population.
02:35:53.220
Like, with us doing all these gangbangs, we're helping the population.
02:36:10.560
Since you're not very smart, type 304 into an older calculator and hold it.
02:36:26.740
In Jason's defense, can I give a defense of Jason?
02:36:31.140
Okay, in defense of Jason, I have noticed that he's often right about almost everything he says.
02:36:49.380
Yeah, I think I just don't, I'm not familiar with traditional debate tactics that people use when they're trying to win wars.
02:36:58.640
I think earlier on, Andrew thought you were trying to do some debate judo on me.
02:37:26.380
He defended the Catholic faith when he was king.
02:37:49.180
So he is the defense, he's like my, uh, champion.
02:38:02.720
Wait, shouldn't, I, I like, I like the thought of, like, not being defensive and then, like, getting hurt if you should be hurt.
02:38:16.760
I, I, you can explicitly state what's happening and then I would be more comfortable.
02:38:21.600
Um, I think I was just trying to say something, like, uh, I like social norms where you sort of admit if you're wrong pretty fast.
02:38:30.240
And then the conversation, and it's not, like, losing to be wrong.
02:38:35.580
And I think a lot of the time, like, you're trying to get one over on your opponent such that, uh, if you, like, score a point, it's, like, very embarrassing if you prove that they're wrong.
02:38:43.280
But it's, like, pretty cool to admit if you're wrong.
02:38:45.640
That means that we get closer to finding out what's happening.
02:38:49.500
I'd rather just gaslight somebody and just make them think.
02:38:57.660
I, listen, you know, it's just in my towards nature.
02:39:01.940
Well, I mean, that's where, you know, the nodding of the head made the joke funnier.
02:39:05.000
And then he pointed it out, and then that made it less funny.
02:39:10.520
Yeah, I know, but women don't have a great sense of humor, to be honest with it.
02:39:26.960
Men are objectively far more hilarious than all women who exist on planet Earth.
02:39:32.180
I think probably you're right, men, on average.
02:39:36.520
I'm not going to put it in a monolith, because otherwise, you know, our friend over here is
02:39:41.900
But I'm just saying that ultimately, I do think that men generally are much funnier than one.
02:39:51.300
I also suspect they might be more intelligent on average, too.
02:39:54.520
But this is unclear about how IQ tests are constructed.
02:39:57.040
Are you talking about, like, the greater male variability hypothesis?
02:40:01.020
Like, I was horrified to find that they normalize IQ tests based on gender.
02:40:06.220
Doesn't it indicate that, like, if you average it, the IQ is actually the same?
02:40:11.520
They construct it such that that is the outcome.
02:40:19.080
Like, so you have, like, more really, really stupid men, and then you have more, like,
02:40:24.720
That's not really what the data is saying, ultimately.
02:40:31.220
It just is clear that the greatest chess champion who's a woman is going to lose to a man.
02:40:37.120
It's not actually clear whether or not there are more dumb women or men than there are dumb women
02:40:55.340
Like, there's a lot of social variance between crystallized IQ, non-crystallized IQ.
02:40:59.540
Like, it's not that easy to determine, even when you're digging into the data.
02:41:04.720
You'll hear racial supremacists use data a certain way.
02:41:11.320
You'll hear conservatives use it a certain way.
02:41:16.600
I do got to move things on, but we have Michael Jones here.
02:41:23.160
Seats 1 is out here trying to resume with the tism.
02:41:26.320
In 2025 rock, paper, scissors is now gaslight, gatekeep, girl, boss.
02:41:49.800
I've done a survey, and people generally think that I do.
02:41:53.420
Have you been diagnosed by a professional, Will?
02:42:27.840
I was just saying, I did a survey with my community.
02:42:30.340
They all thought I was autistic, too, so I guess I'm autistic.
02:42:32.300
Yeah, but were you diagnosed by a psychiatrist?
02:42:39.640
...if the community says so, then it must be true.
02:42:53.200
But again, it's because women aren't very funny.
02:42:57.760
Well, I think funniness, you know, is an opinion.
02:43:05.000
It's just that subjectively, more men seem to be found to be funny subjectively by more
02:43:28.640
Well, I was meant to do it here, but I actually got stopped at the border, and so I've decided
02:43:33.120
against, because they were very much like, you know, if you do that here, you will be
02:43:41.180
When you say the border, like when you flew in?
02:43:43.520
Yeah, so when I flew into Las Vegas, and they stopped me at Customs, is that what it
02:43:49.240
was, and they kind of sat me down, and they started asking me questions, you know, what
02:43:55.680
Like, what's the nature, like why are you coming into the country, business or pleasure, and
02:44:00.400
Yeah, and then they started bringing up my Pornhub, and they started finding articles, because
02:44:07.020
my name is my real name as well, so it's like quite easy to see on my passport.
02:44:18.460
Did you say, what if you're one of the thousand?
02:44:21.300
You know, they were so stern-faced, I was trying to make jokes like that, and they weren't
02:44:25.280
Wait, so, how willing are you when it comes to deportation?
02:44:31.600
I don't want to be deported, because I actually, I would love to like, move here and live here.
02:44:39.640
Well, they let me in, they said, as long as you don't do it, and stuff like that.
02:44:42.600
Yeah, and I think they were just more caught up on, as well, making sure I'm not a prostitute.
02:44:48.060
I don't think they care so much about making content more just like actual prostitution.
02:44:53.880
So I guess, like, what other hoodwinks and shenanigans have you been up to, Lily?
02:45:09.440
I want to do, like, the largest bukkake ever, because I do love spunk.
02:45:21.340
So it's like, where you just like a cum bucket for a day.
02:45:25.740
Yeah, I mean, I've got lots of ideas, but I don't love to share them, because I feel like
02:45:29.840
you just never know if people like nick my idea.
02:45:40.420
I really love to, like, push the limits of creating content and create content that people
02:45:51.220
It's interesting, really, because when I started OnlyFans, they were very supportive and stuff
02:45:56.960
And then when I told them I was getting into porn, it wasn't necessarily their first, like,
02:46:05.780
You know, they weren't cheering me on, telling me to do porn.
02:46:11.160
And then when I started doing kind of, like, the more extreme stuff, yeah, they're, this
02:46:18.740
They're not supportive of their job, but they're supportive of me, and they always love me and
02:46:34.220
Like, was it an acquired taste, or did you always like it?
02:46:37.860
Especially when I did my first bukkake, that was when I was like, whoa.
02:46:56.540
There has to be a limit to the amount of crazier and crazier.
02:47:00.860
So this, I mean, this happens in every industry, right?
02:47:03.340
But especially in entertainment, you're trying to push the number for attention, right?
02:47:13.120
If you push the limit with the extremes, more attention is going to get focused on you.
02:47:17.160
So sure, for marketing purposes, this is great, this type of thing.
02:47:21.180
But there's only going to be so much of that, right?
02:47:23.400
Because other people, they get involved in this type of stuff, too.
02:47:26.340
They start moving the goal for what the limit is.
02:47:30.640
Like there is physically only so many men you can sleep with in a day, only so many men
02:47:35.180
who can hump you up the butt or whatever the fuck it is that the next thing is that you're
02:47:43.840
And it'll be sooner rather than later because there's only so much content you can push
02:47:49.320
Well, when I mentioned that I want to do extreme stuff, it didn't always mean numbers.
02:47:54.180
Like with the skydive, that's not a numbers thing and things like that.
02:48:01.640
It's like you could do scuba dive, blowjobs, right?
02:48:04.360
But I'm sure there's definitely not a limit now.
02:48:14.000
I mean, I'm not going to give you all my ideas, but I could list off some stuff that, you know,
02:48:18.760
Like she doesn't want her competitors to steal a shit in true.
02:48:24.500
Let's say you had 100 great ideas for content nobody's ever seen before, that kind of thing.
02:48:33.920
Yeah, but when you make more and more extreme content, you hit the threshold sooner rather than later.
02:48:37.920
Like, let me give you some examples of this in other forms of media.
02:48:41.640
So somebody comes out, but recently Kanye West, he came out and he was like, he did the, you know,
02:48:52.260
But the problem is that he'd already done that.
02:49:02.800
What's the next extremity you can actually go to from that?
02:49:06.540
That's the same problem that you'll find in the same industry, right?
02:49:12.320
Like, I'm not necessarily doing it, you know, for attention.
02:49:15.320
I want to create this unique content for my subscribers.
02:49:18.400
I like to do really, like, relative content as well.
02:49:25.560
I do gang bangs in my personal life and things like that.
02:49:29.320
But I just put two and two together, something I love and something I can also monetize and mix it together.
02:49:35.340
And it has honestly made the perfect job for me.
02:49:39.440
So we had a gal on here once who said the exact same thing.
02:49:44.120
Ended up becoming, at least by her metric, a reformed Christian and said that everything that she was saying earlier on the podcast was a complete lie.
02:49:52.480
And that she was actually just doing that for the purpose of marketing.
02:50:00.100
But the thing is, is, like, it does draw a large amount of media attention to you.
02:50:06.700
And you can say, well, I would just do it anyway because I just really, really, really like it.
02:50:13.320
But even if it is the case that you just really, really like it and you're going to do it in your personal life anyway, you're going to go bang a thousand men because you just love that shit.
02:50:19.520
It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that there's a threshold limit put on the extremes, right?
02:50:24.920
But I just debunked that earlier that there's a ton of other ideas that I have that aren't necessarily with high numbers.
02:50:41.080
I'm just wondering if there's a post-threshold, if you have, like, plans post-threshold for that.
02:50:45.020
I don't think you realize, like, how huge, you know, the sex industry is and how many different routes you can take with content.
02:50:53.660
Like, there's tons of things you can always do.
02:50:56.940
I'm not disputing that the sex industry is huge and that there's tons of different types of content you can do.
02:51:03.640
But when you're talking about the draw, so most women and OnlyFans don't make it.
02:51:10.300
The vast majority of women in porn don't make it.
02:51:12.100
The vast, vast majority, well, it's because they don't have anything that makes them stand out, right?
02:51:18.260
You have something here that makes you stand out, but that has limits, too.
02:51:22.600
And so the question that I'm asking is, like, I can just base this on the general average.
02:51:33.280
Well, if that would be corn, OnlyFans, things like that, almost no woman makes it in those industries.
02:51:40.480
Well, it makes it big or even makes enough money to support themselves.
02:51:43.380
Most of them don't even make enough money to support themselves.
02:51:45.900
The average OnlyFans, a couple hundred bucks...
02:51:50.440
So it is definitely the multimedia attention, this type of thing, which assists in the elevation
02:51:55.100
of the amount of people who watch somebody's content.
02:51:57.480
So you do have to think about what the threshold breakers are.
02:52:00.140
Like, what happens when I reach whatever this zenith is?
02:52:05.440
And so I'm just wondering if there's close plans to it.
02:52:07.260
I don't understand what question you're asking.
02:52:09.260
Like, have I got enough content to last me my lifetime?
02:52:15.980
I'm saying that, assuming that there's less media attention for your skydive blowjob than
02:52:23.200
But for me, it's not always about media attention.
02:52:24.940
It's possible that there could be a massive decrease.
02:52:27.060
In fact, it's likely, as you get older and as you do more extreme content, there's going
02:52:33.080
So I'm just asking if there's post plans past what happens when that happens.
02:52:40.800
I mean, I want to be in this industry for as long as I enjoy it.
02:52:43.780
And for me, right now, that's looking at 10, 20 years, honestly.
02:52:46.900
But for me, it's also just not all about the media attention.
02:52:51.320
Like, I just genuinely do it for the love of it.
02:53:03.080
Then all the money that you made from that, are you going to give it to charity?
02:53:10.600
What has me being charitable got to do with this?
02:53:14.300
I couldn't care less if I gave money to charity.
02:53:29.060
I'm just saying that if you say that the motivation is there
02:53:42.060
Like, those are just two great recipes together.
02:53:52.740
this is directly proportional to the amount of publicity
02:53:55.700
that you get for the various things that you do.
02:53:58.440
However, women often, especially in your industry,
02:54:03.000
just like B-list actors will have a breakout movie
02:54:23.240
That's because I saw an episode on your podcast.
02:54:28.440
It was because I saw an episode on your podcast
02:54:44.620
And we just continued our conversation normally.
02:55:08.440
Yeah, well, I mean, whether you live there or not,
02:55:17.200
Well, they don't now because of the 4B movement,
02:55:25.240
They greet them at the door with a kiss on the cheek.
02:55:39.180
They bow to their bosses, maybe to their acquaintances
02:55:41.980
that they don't know very well to show respect,
02:55:43.860
but your husband is someone that you're comfortable with.
02:55:51.860
especially considering how many Christians are in South Korea.
02:55:55.900
That's why they have a full porn band in South Korea, right?
02:55:59.040
It is actually commonplace even among that community
02:56:03.040
They do bow to each other, but not to their husbands.
02:56:16.800
every woman in South Korea bows to their husband,
02:56:30.220
No, in Korea they do bow, but not to their spouse.
02:57:04.800
the various cultural studies which have been done,
02:57:23.180
What is the cultural tactic for bowing the family?
02:57:49.380
Okay, so why is it that they don't bow to their husband?
02:57:52.340
Because my grandma was born in 1951 in South Korea,
02:57:57.620
and I lived with her through my entire childhood.
02:58:03.160
and brought her home when he was stationed in South Korea,
02:58:06.260
and yeah, there was definitely bowing which was going on,
02:58:09.420
so I mean, my anecdote, I guess, trumps your anecdote, right?
02:58:20.180
it's because she hasn't seen him in a long time.
02:58:34.860
Yeah, I didn't say that they did it on the daily.
02:58:49.200
It's not common because they see their husband every day.
02:59:08.520
Because there's probably lots and lots and lots of couples
02:59:43.920
I mean, you guys are just going back and forth.
02:59:50.520
Do the majority of people buy expensive dresses?
02:59:58.000
But isn't it common that people buy expensive dresses?
03:00:22.500
Common is the majority of the dress purchasers.
03:01:04.780
Like, what else do you guys want to talk about?
03:01:21.020
It's just circumstantial in the way that they do.
03:12:36.160
They literally climb up sheer rock faces with ease.
03:15:26.920
like a homeless man will like say some like outlandish shit,
03:15:37.860
and then women will like map that onto all men.
03:15:47.300
but like women will encounter like homeless people,
03:15:57.200
And I just think some guy like randomly beating up a woman in the street,
03:16:34.800
And the implication here would be over a black person.
03:16:40.740
and me not acknowledging a black person got me this.
03:17:10.580
this is why white people pick the bear over black people
03:17:26.780
So then the position when it comes to men is sexist,
03:17:45.840
It might come from a point of view of personal experience.
03:17:49.180
I think when you make those general statements,
03:17:51.400
like this is why women choose the bear over the man.
03:18:01.040
that statement might be coming from personal experience.
03:18:10.080
but would they individually on the micro level be sexist?
03:18:19.080
if you're granting my position that it's sexist,
03:18:21.920
I don't really have anything to debate with you on.
03:18:33.360
why do we sort of paint men with this sort of broad brush?
03:18:40.800
to the point where like vast amounts of women are saying,
03:18:45.840
I'd rather be in the forest alone with like a dangerous wild animal over a man.
03:18:49.680
imagine if people like white people just start saying,
03:18:51.900
I'd rather be in the forest alone with a dangerous wild animal than a black person.
03:18:59.680
why is it so okay in I guess modern discourse to just be like openly sexist towards men?
03:19:11.400
a lot of women have had bad personal experiences.
03:19:17.240
but I would just go back to like doing a parallel to race.
03:19:24.060
two or three bad experiences with a black person.
03:19:25.980
They see news stories and belong to online groups and they are ticked.
03:19:30.020
tick tock algorithm is feeding them stories about black on white crime and they have safety concerns.
03:19:37.380
all of a sudden they're scared of black people.
03:19:40.960
believe all black people have the capacity for violence or assault of some kind.
03:19:52.120
you've had individual negative experiences with men and then you think all men are like predators or dangerous or whatever.
03:19:58.980
Those women who've had those negative experiences,
03:20:01.360
they might not think that all men are predators or dangerous.
03:20:04.980
They might just be a little bit more cautious based on their experience.
03:20:10.660
And that's okay for people to be more cautious based on their experience.
03:20:13.980
It doesn't mean that they think that all men are dangerous or predators.
03:20:17.620
It's just that they have a wall up or a guard up.
03:20:56.200
You also occasionally get a little naked on the OnlyFans.
03:21:00.520
you said something about pussy based confidence.
03:21:07.040
pussy based confidence is kind of a term that I coined,
03:21:13.760
our sexuality is like the creative life force of us.
03:21:27.240
a turn on of actually like appreciating who we are,
03:21:31.340
and living in a way that's aligned to our soul.
03:21:48.720
I believe personally that our soul existed before.
03:21:51.680
So this is where my spirituality gets into it a little bit.
03:21:58.680
like this is like something's off or this is the right decision.
03:22:04.120
do you think that that people who don't have good intuition don't have souls or
03:22:17.120
not all of us to be disconnected from our bodies.
03:22:21.900
Like I grew up in a home where it's like your body,
03:22:34.040
I'm talking about like the body and the disconnection from it.
03:22:36.480
Cause I was referencing how your intuition is within your body.
03:22:46.200
I just want to make sure I understand a couple of things.
03:22:58.900
Is that for some religious archetype or witchcraft or something like that?
03:23:10.080
but when I'm talking about spirituality for me,
03:23:27.300
I had the lens of Christianity on what I mean by that is I had supernatural experiences for many years.
03:23:39.300
They were real through the lens of my Christian worldview.
03:23:54.420
I just want to understand exactly what it is that you're saying when you use these terms,
03:24:00.020
I think you understand what I mean when I say Christianity anyway.
03:24:07.900
it is important for me to understand what you mean by that.
03:24:19.240
That all forms into that worldview that you have.
03:24:29.580
That's not something that I push as any type of agenda.
03:24:35.560
if I have any really is to bring the person back home to themselves.
03:24:39.820
I think that people can come back to a deeper knowing.
03:24:43.380
you have to actually start getting the layers of programming and conditioning off you first.
03:24:48.660
We're all brought up in some type of programming.
03:24:55.560
you're programming people that they need to come back to a deeper sense of self and that
03:25:06.440
Except there are no staples of beliefs that I'm telling them to go to.
03:25:30.040
Whatever makes you feel good about calling it that.
03:25:35.560
are you just teaching people to love themselves or like,
03:25:42.740
I do a lot of confidence coaching for entrepreneurs.
03:25:50.140
That's why I felt like we're kind of off track.
03:25:56.160
I was trying to understand what exactly it was that you do.
03:26:06.220
Are you like teaching people to go out there and use their pussy to like love themselves in a sense?
03:26:14.760
I'm getting them back in touch with who they are.
03:26:16.860
And part of that is their sexual creative power.
03:26:19.160
But really we're doing a lot of work with mindset,
03:26:34.940
like separate with like people having sex with people or anything like that.
03:26:41.740
I think I saw some where you describe yourself as a baddie.
03:26:45.240
I have some thoughts on this cause I've seen other women like self-describe like baddie,
03:26:53.220
like women who self-refer to themselves and it's kind of like guys who call themselves alpha male.
03:27:01.000
how about we ask me what the definition would be of how I describe it?
03:27:04.860
I'm not saying that you're referring to yourself as an alpha.
03:27:08.440
But it's like the men who refer to themselves as alpha or alpha male.
03:27:23.320
Anyone that has to tell someone that they're a king is no king.
03:27:29.380
it was more out of fun and playfulness because I have a lot of fun and playfulness to myself.
03:27:39.900
I don't think that would be enough like data to make like a total,
03:27:46.860
But I do think like women who tend to like self-refer like,
03:27:57.960
I draw parallels of like the guys who call themselves alpha males.
03:28:03.300
do you guys think that's like attractive or like,
03:28:41.560
you're not supposed to like say that directly or something.
03:28:45.280
I wasn't feeling like I was trying to trap you or anything.
03:28:47.160
I was just generally curious if that was how you felt.
03:28:53.260
I can't make a determination on that specific thing,
03:28:57.500
just on the basis that she referred to herself as a baddie.
03:29:01.760
I was just making the parallel to like the whole thing where guys call
03:29:30.040
You said there was a time you were swinger for a bit,
03:29:33.940
what will be fun to talk about with me is that you're a pastor.
03:29:46.000
top one percentages have to do with income typically,
03:29:50.580
I don't know exactly how it works on the only fans,
03:29:52.340
but isn't the case like when you're factoring in top 1%,
03:29:55.320
aren't you factoring in the accounts that are like the consumers?
03:29:59.540
but they're just like buying the only fans content.
03:30:10.080
I'm under the impression that it does not take into account people who are
03:30:13.420
but it does take into account inactive creator accounts.
03:30:18.760
I think like most active accounts are typically in the top like three,
03:30:34.740
especially for women when it comes to what they do with their bodies.
03:30:46.500
what is appropriate when it comes to what they do with their bodies,
03:30:52.840
that exists and has existed for so long that women who are,
03:30:57.780
expressing themselves sexually in whatever way that looks like.
03:31:12.940
but I think that is definitely a narrative in our society.
03:31:25.640
he'd prefer to date a woman who dressed modestly.
03:31:29.420
I think that's preference and there's nothing wrong with that.
03:31:35.560
aren't these narratives built around preference?
03:31:38.860
isn't that the very idea behind the narrative that you're talking about?
03:31:42.660
you're saying a woman's dressing promiscuously,
03:31:50.280
but that doesn't actually detract from the fact that she'd be a powerful
03:31:55.660
but isn't the reason the narrative exists in the first place because the
03:32:01.100
preference of X group doesn't like that to begin with.
03:32:05.480
So isn't that in a way kind of setting people up for failure?
03:32:08.740
but you're also talking about a standard of social norms versus just a
03:32:19.580
A whole lot of people having a certain preference based on certain
03:32:24.180
beliefs that can be really damning toward one gender or one race or
03:32:32.700
So if it is the case that these are coming from preferences,
03:32:38.240
let's say most men have a preference against women who dress promiscuously and
03:32:47.220
high powered executives or people like this who want a long-term relationship,
03:32:51.960
The chances are they don't want their woman to show up with sleeve tattoos and
03:32:59.200
Isn't it kind of setting them up for failure to tell them that it's actually,
03:33:11.200
it's not so black and white as you're declaring it to be,
03:33:19.600
If you're talking about like a top CEO executive position,
03:33:24.740
it's more about embracing their sexuality in general and expressing it in
03:33:32.800
this is like the whole taboo energy that we have in the society.
03:33:56.260
Like what would make it a taboo other than tons and tons of people prefer that
03:34:11.000
then you're also essentially telling them that they're going to be at the
03:34:14.160
mercy of all of these preferences against that taboo.
03:34:26.180
or even a large percent of it is going to want to express themselves that way.
03:34:29.320
So I have the privilege of running my own business.
03:34:33.280
So I'm not going to have anybody coming to my throat and telling me I can't
03:34:37.420
but it doesn't mean that a woman who's in corporate can't decide she's going
03:34:41.840
to express herself in the way that she wants in a way that feels good to her.
03:34:57.260
it's just figuring out what feels good to them and feels aligned that they can
03:35:04.140
this is more of a movement of dismantling the things that are telling us as
03:35:11.700
ourselves in a certain way to be respected or to be respectable.
03:35:15.860
fit in this box of other people's expectations.
03:35:18.080
That's literally the number one regret of the dying.
03:35:20.800
So this is much broader is that people aren't regretting what they didn't
03:35:25.420
And if they didn't freaking make a bunch of money,
03:35:27.080
they're regretting that they lived a life for everyone else's expectations
03:35:31.320
People aren't on their deathbed wishing they got gang bang.
03:35:45.020
Why wouldn't that instead create whiplash where the movement against those social
03:35:59.600
but the whiplash against it now is like nothing I've ever seen.
03:36:09.900
More women are saying they want more conservative men,
03:36:13.820
It seems like the movement towards tradition is backlash against exactly what you're
03:36:18.520
which is basically what feminists have been trying to attempt sexual liberation for
03:36:28.440
I'm not out here saying every fucking woman needs to be following this.
03:36:32.560
but it is for the women who are in a place where they feel that angst.
03:36:39.120
of their life because they're living this way and feeling this way.
03:36:44.760
I'm not for everyone as a speaker and the movement isn't for every woman,
03:36:47.760
but it is for the women who want to take back control in that way and actually be
03:36:53.760
that lights them up that they felt like they couldn't do before.
03:37:00.920
so I'm just trying to think about it from your perspective,
03:37:03.620
The idea of we're giving control back to these women who feel like they're maybe
03:37:07.360
sexually oppressed or that they can't express themselves properly,
03:37:15.320
is that really control or is it setting you up for failure?
03:37:27.440
So it's not about like control and having control over even other people's
03:37:31.960
the things that I've done stepping down from church,
03:37:38.340
I'm no longer a Christian after that's what everyone knew me for.
03:37:42.780
I had to get to a point where I actually was so grounded in who I was and
03:37:46.160
and loving myself and knowing judgment is coming from every angle.
03:37:53.200
Judgment comes a lot less when you convince people over to your side,
03:37:58.360
That's what I'm trying to say is I don't have any agenda to,
03:38:07.440
You can prove a point or you can influence a heart,
03:38:21.220
It's very uncommon when proving the point comes from an agenda of I'm right
03:38:30.300
But this is why we have social taboos to begin with.
03:38:32.740
People have been having these debates for thousands of years,
03:38:35.200
Not this isn't the first one first time to two different worldviews have ever
03:38:43.960
they're usually clashing not to convince the opposite person,
03:38:46.740
but to convince the people who are viewing the clash,
03:38:49.720
This is the same reason people show up to sporting events and everything else,
03:38:59.680
It seems to me that if it is the case that there's a massive social taboo against the
03:39:09.980
be setting them up for failure by telling them that they should do everything in their
03:39:13.420
power to go against what the preferences of most men are.
03:39:22.360
The goal isn't go against everything men have preference for.
03:39:25.360
The goal is figure out who you are and what's aligned for you and where you're hiding parts
03:39:34.380
What is pussy power except saying that you have power in your sexuality and its expression.
03:39:39.080
But the preference of most men is that when women express overt sexuality,
03:39:46.240
that makes you easy or that makes you this or that makes you that.
03:39:49.480
They definitely don't have a preference for easy women,
03:39:58.300
it just seems like it's setting people up for failure by that metric in a way.
03:40:03.160
And that's a whole side topic because pussy based confidence is not just about the idea
03:40:09.380
of just getting them back to their sexuality and having it sexually expressed.
03:40:42.060
So I have to tell you that I did not hear the last sentence.
03:41:29.840
I hope I'm gonna be able to find that or two things within the next week.
03:41:31.940
Any other things for someone else's fighting for Yoda orе出ad?
03:41:42.180
And one man that just wants to keep writing a long walk anymore,
03:42:07.800
We were just finishing, I think, unless you have more you wanted to hit on.
03:42:13.600
I honestly can't say because I didn't hear the last sentence you said, so I'm sorry.
03:42:16.860
Yeah, I mean, I'll get into some of the other show notes, so let me do that.
03:43:10.220
Okay, let's get back into some of the pre-show notes, then.
03:43:45.640
And I bantered back before with everybody, and they all told me it was a bad idea.
03:43:51.360
So I decided not to, but then my sister came to LA.
03:44:02.060
Well, I just think that you guys don't give us like...
03:44:20.500
I think you guys do a great job of getting your likes and getting your comments and going
03:44:26.760
So, um, and I thought that coming on would be fun and something fun to do with my sister
03:44:35.880
because we don't really get to hang out much, and I always wanted to come to LA, and that's
03:44:53.180
I've never been like on a mic before, so just give me a minute to...
03:44:56.760
I've just been sitting here trying to figure out what the right words to say are.
03:45:00.660
I think that, um, you know, people that use and take advantage of people for money in
03:45:08.560
all sense are, um, not, like, I live my life not using and taking advantage of people for
03:45:14.760
money, and, um, it's really hard to do that, and I think that, like, I'm not trying to say
03:45:22.060
My mom, uh, was in sex work, so I have a big heart for it.
03:45:27.740
Um, I just think that there's more to each individual story, and I don't think you guys
03:45:34.960
really give much tenderness to, like, the women that are on here.
03:45:48.680
Okay, so you mentioned using and taking advantage of...
03:46:03.160
Okay, I asked you for how the show is stupid, and then you invoked...
03:46:11.320
How are we using or taking advantage of people?
03:46:14.440
So why would you bring it up when I asked you the basis of your claim that the show is stupid?
03:46:19.160
I meant, like, I just wanted to come on the show and prove a different side of, you know, being a woman and not using and taking advantage of people for money, and being, like, you know, trying to be noble in this world without, you know, putting other people down.
03:46:37.360
And at the same point of, like, growing up with all, like, porn and how it desensitizes people, and I think that, you know, there's...
03:46:52.340
I've never, like, I've never actually watched porn in my life, so, like, I don't see the hype.
03:46:59.080
I think that it's really hard to be a good person in this world, and it takes a lot of work and effort.
03:47:08.060
And I just want to do the right thing, and I don't mean to put anybody down.
03:47:13.460
I was, like, you know, probably in my feelings about something that you said when I wrote that message.
03:47:20.100
Okay, so your position is not that we're using and taking advantage of people?
03:47:25.220
You're saying you don't use and take advantage of people?
03:47:27.940
Yeah, because it's so easy to use and take advantage of people.
03:47:30.520
I've been using and taking advantage of for many things.
03:47:33.020
So I think that, like, the whole message that I'm trying to convey being on this show is, like, not to do that and just to, you know...
03:47:43.720
Okay, so just to be charitable here, you're saying that it's our position that we make the claim that, for example, women who do OnlyFans, they're using and taking advantage of men.
03:48:02.660
I honestly don't even really like the porn bad conversation.
03:48:15.140
And actually, I do want to give a little bit of credit to Candice here, because I saw on your...
03:48:26.740
I've never seen this on an OnlyFans profile, but you wrote something along the lines of...
03:48:33.280
You write, the engagement on this platform by Eva...
03:48:39.300
Eva Lavia is strictly for entertainment purposes only.
03:48:43.000
All interactions represent a curated digital persona and should not be interpreted as personal, professional, or real-world relationships.
03:48:49.660
Eva Lavia does not break character in all interaction...
03:48:54.340
And all interactions are intended to remain within the boundaries of this digital platform.
03:49:05.200
But you have, like, chatters or, like, management that, like, chats for you?
03:49:07.680
No, I have management that helps with content, but no, I try to get to as many people as I can, which is...
03:49:12.340
But you don't have, like, a typer or a chatter?
03:49:14.900
Oh, because I thought this was the disclosure you were essentially hinting at.
03:49:17.960
No, the disclosure is to make it clear, because sometimes there can be delusional men, and
03:49:24.720
it's not always their fault, because I have seen really bad practices.
03:49:30.800
I have seen bad practices from creators as well, where they, I mean, I've heard them literally
03:49:38.840
Like, I'm just going to, like, drain his bank account.
03:49:43.720
So, I want it to be abundantly clear, like, this is entertainment.
03:49:47.860
If we are engaging in chat, like, that it's not a relationship, consume this responsibly.
03:49:53.700
So, you don't have anybody sending messages on your behalf?
03:49:58.920
I mean, I wasn't, I perhaps misunderstood this portion of it.
03:50:03.740
I thought this was actually, like, a disclosure, like, hey, by the way, like, you might not
03:50:08.320
actually be talking to me, because that kind of goes into my point here of how, like, I
03:50:14.880
think, I think there is some degree of fraud that's going on.
03:50:19.960
That's really sweet, though, that you've put, like, a little disclosure in case.
03:50:22.480
But, I actually, I mean, Candice, I actually, now that I've brought it here, though, this
03:50:28.120
actually was not my intention, so I don't want you to feel like you're being blindsided
03:50:32.480
But, like, I was under the impression that this disclaimer was indicating that you did
03:50:38.340
use, like, typers and chatters, or you had, like, AI, for example.
03:50:42.300
I mean, I see that you're active now, but you're sitting here at the table.
03:50:45.400
No, it's active because it's just, like, whether or not you have an app.
03:50:47.780
But if you go to chat, like, there's not going to be...
03:50:50.580
Isn't it based on, like, how recently you sent a message?
03:50:54.820
I accidentally, I've had it open on, like, a laptop, then it was open for days, and
03:51:02.700
But it is the case that a lot of these women who are on OnlyFans are employing, like,
03:51:09.060
And having somebody communicate, like, through proxy or on their behalf.
03:51:13.600
Um, and I think my trouble with this is, if you're up front with this, I suppose that's
03:51:19.960
fine, but if you're making representations, and many women will actually write, you're
03:51:24.380
talking to me, you're not talking to a manager, you're not talking, like, you're talking to
03:51:29.720
I mean, this would be a form of fraud that I think, uh, I mean, I don't know if it's
03:51:36.840
No, it's definitely not criminal, but you're also...
03:51:42.040
You'd have to find a lot, but, um, they're engaging with the persona as well.
03:51:48.040
Wait, are you defending the use of, like, typers where you've otherwise...
03:51:51.440
Where you've, like, represented that you haven't...
03:51:53.180
No, no, no, I'm saying, um, like, if you're going there because you're trying to establish,
03:51:57.200
like, a real relationship, you're in the wrong place.
03:51:59.000
So that's kind of that disclaimer, because that can get physically dangerous, too.
03:52:05.320
Yeah, exactly, and that happens really often, so I think it's important to know, like, this
03:52:08.500
is, this is all pretend, we're engaging and pretend together.
03:52:12.700
No, I just bring it up because that's one of my, uh, I mean, the nude photos and stuff,
03:52:17.060
like, people have, like, moral objections to, like, pornography, nude photos.
03:52:20.780
I mean, that's not really a super strong position, I tend to argue.
03:52:24.780
My biggest position when it comes to, like, OnlyFans is these women are just straight up
03:52:28.260
misrepresenting and, like, engaging in fraudulent conduct.
03:52:31.880
Yeah, I don't agree with that either, and I've seen a lot of people that will pretend to
03:52:37.160
And that's a really dangerous game to play, and that's not fair to the guy either.
03:52:45.460
I don't think people should do it in relationships.
03:52:47.080
I think, uh, you should communicate openly with your partner if there's things that they
03:52:57.400
Yeah, like, if somebody, like, fakes an orgasm.
03:53:04.220
Yeah, I guess, I don't know, maybe there's a spectrum, maybe you could design a spectrum
03:53:07.260
of, like, the kinds of things where fraud is bad or not.
03:53:10.620
I also don't mean this as a gotcha, I'm just, like, genuinely...
03:53:13.000
Well, I mean, but, like, what about actresses in films where there's a sex scene and they
03:53:15.880
Yeah, so I guess maybe it's, like, implied knowledge?
03:53:18.700
Like, if somebody's signing up for OnlyFans, they expect it to be real?
03:53:20.360
I think, like, if a woman fakes an orgasm in, like, a pornographic film, I don't
03:53:25.460
I mean, you know, like, the pizza guy knocks on the door, I mean, that's also not...
03:53:31.440
He's not actually a pizza guy, and she's not actually in her house, and it's...
03:53:39.480
So I don't really have objections if a woman fakes an orgasm for porn, like, in porn.
03:53:46.060
I was thinking of it from the lens of, like, a relationship, but that's not what you're
03:53:50.820
But what I'm speaking about is, like, let's say a woman makes an affirmative claim, like,
03:53:56.820
You're talking to me, and, like, in so doing, she's, like, inducing these men, oh, I'm
03:54:02.100
actually talking to her, not some, like, Filipino man in the Philippines being paid $10 a day
03:54:08.140
to, like, type, type, type, type, you know, whatever.
03:54:10.040
And so if, like, she's charging people for the conversations or whatever, charging for
03:54:16.380
the chats, and you're, like, if a company says, hey, you can talk to X celebrity, and
03:54:25.880
somebody pays knowing that they're, like, actually...
03:54:29.920
I don't know if this is actually a service, like, I don't know.
03:54:37.100
That's on video, so they obviously can't fake that, but let's say there's, like, a voice
03:54:42.560
You can buy a voice recording from your favorite celebrity, but then you find out that they
03:54:47.240
hired a, like, a impersonator who does, like, a really good impersonation of the celebrity.
03:54:58.400
I mean, you might think, oh, well, buyer beware, like, you should know better, blah, blah, blah.
03:55:02.140
But I do think, like, if you're making a representation, whether you're in...
03:55:05.920
You have a company, and you're selling, like, nutritional products to people, or you're a sex
03:55:10.960
worker, I think, like, you should try to make, like, truthful statements that are not, like,
03:55:17.420
misrepresenting and are not fraudulent as in an effort to induce somebody to, like, purchasing
03:55:29.080
It's unclear to me to the degree to which men know that what they're doing when they're
03:55:34.840
Like, as an example, like, I run my main OnlyFans, and then for a while I decided to hire...
03:55:39.340
To try, experiment with hiring a chatter on my free OnlyFans.
03:55:45.120
They typed, like, all caps, XOXO, BB, my P, you know, whatever, so horny for you, BB.
03:55:51.340
It was, like, really atrocious, had nothing to do with me, and my income just skyrocketed
03:55:57.400
And I was like, oh, these guys, like, have actually no understanding of who I am as a
03:56:00.880
person, and, like, no desire to actually engage with me as a person.
03:56:03.720
And that sort of, like, made me pretty sad about the whole thing, because I kind of
03:56:10.040
But it's possible that maybe I'm just actually filtering for the wrong kind of man when I'm
03:56:15.200
Anyways, getting back to your notes, Katerina, you said that...
03:56:41.420
For a little while, I was helping out a friend, and did her makeup, got her calls, and, you
03:56:49.200
I wanted to help her, and she, um, and she just could lie, said that she could do it without,
03:56:56.280
you know, being, using all the time, and, um, and she couldn't, and so it kind of was
03:57:02.720
a backfire on me, um, when I say that, like, sorry, I wasn't expecting you to read my stuff
03:57:16.140
Um, but yeah, you asked me, like, some other questions afterwards that I thought would be
03:57:23.660
I just wanted to, like, let you know a little bit of who I was, um, I didn't expect to be
03:57:34.400
I know, I thought you were going to use the questions that you asked me.
03:57:36.680
Oh, I have those too, but you included this in your messages.
03:57:39.340
I included that when I was, like, just, like, letting you know personally, like, why, like,
03:57:44.920
who I was, um, and why I thought that I would have...
03:57:48.920
Yeah, and, you know, I wouldn't say it was a P-I-M-P or anything like that.
03:57:56.920
Like, got them, like, took their, like, got them calls and, uh, took them to their spot,
03:58:18.500
Okay, and when you say you ran a prostitute, you were the pimp?
03:58:21.960
I, well, she, I just did her favors and she paid me for it, you know?
03:58:28.040
But you would, would you stay there while she was meeting with her client?
03:58:32.680
Did the client, and did the, did the client ever not pay?
03:58:38.820
What, what would happen if the client didn't pay?
03:58:41.480
Would you, like, go in and have a conversation with them?
03:58:46.380
I mean, like, I'm not, I'm saying that, like, I had an experience where I was involved with
03:58:53.700
trying to help a girl get out of a bad situation, and she said she would partner with me to get,
03:58:59.440
you know, onto a better place, and it didn't work out, and it was...
03:59:03.480
But she was trying to get out of a bad situation by prostituting herself?
03:59:07.040
Well, I mean, like, I'm pretty, like, oh, what do you call it?
03:59:11.860
I'm pretty accustomed to the game, so, like, I said...
03:59:23.560
So how, what do you mean when you were accustomed to the game?
03:59:26.700
I'm very white, so I don't know what the game is.
03:59:39.740
When you say running drugs, what does that mean?
03:59:44.800
Like, knowing the dudes that do and being involved with them and stuff like that.
03:59:48.580
But, like, and I've, like, you know, seen just the bad side of that type of world.
03:59:56.740
And, like, having pity for these women that are...
04:00:01.740
And, like, women that are, you know, think that that's the only way.
04:00:05.840
And I know some girls who can do it, like, sober and, like, they're vivacious and they can do that.
04:00:12.760
But, like, most of the girls that I know are all messed up on drugs.
04:00:25.020
Like, in Amsterdam or other countries, like, it's, uh...
04:00:41.220
I'm just asking about your own disclosure here.
04:01:01.740
You say you don't hate everything that we say, but some things are really hot.
04:01:21.300
Sorry, I just don't think you guys have the tenderness when it comes to what women go through
04:01:26.040
and how they got to where they are most of the time.
04:01:30.080
I mean, I actually have to kind of concede this point to you.
04:01:33.240
I am not, in fact, tender enough to drive women to meet with Johns who are then going to fuck them.
04:01:38.680
I'm going to leave that kind of sort of tenderness up to women like you.
04:01:44.260
Like I said, um, I was just trying to help and I learned a lesson.
04:01:48.060
Yeah, I mean, I just, I guess I just would never be tender enough to be that helpful.
04:01:54.440
I think that my, um, disclosures, um, had good intentions and my intentions are pure, whether you want to believe so or not.
04:02:06.080
You know, well, then I can just say that too, right?
04:02:09.800
What makes them impure other than you don't think they are?
04:02:12.440
But I can tell you this, I have never driven a woman to try to get her out of trouble to go have a penis put inside of her for money.
04:02:20.560
I've never done, hang on, I've never done that, but I feel, I feel like that's the least tender thing I could ever do with a woman.
04:02:28.260
What I do instead is I, uh, I'll argue their worldview and I'll argue their belief and I'll treat them as though they should be heard and their belief should be contended with.
04:02:37.860
Now that seems to be horrible in modernity because men for some reason, uh, well, not, not men, but women for some reason think that if they're in any way ever questioned and that their view is not completely conceded to and their ass is kissed, that you're an evil doer of nefarious character for some reason.
04:02:54.420
But I got to tell you, I think that the most respectful thing I could do is take what they're actually saying seriously and then contend with what they're actually saying.
04:03:03.460
Now, if I end up destroying their arguments because they're fucking stupid, uh, that's on them.
04:03:08.760
But that has nothing to do with us treating women poorly or without tenderness.
04:03:15.680
I think that it's the most untender thing I've ever heard to be like, Hey, you know, you're in a bad situation.
04:03:22.440
Ah, let's, uh, let's show up at a guy whose appointment I booked for you.
04:03:31.400
Um, like I said, um, it was an experience that taught me a lot and I grew from it and I've like, wish that, you know, there could be some other kinds of ways to be able to protect these girls.
04:03:46.020
And I'm not going to say it's me cause I'm just a woman.
04:03:48.860
Um, but like, at least like in Canada, um, it doesn't have anything to do with you being a woman, but acting in the role, acting in the social role of the pimp probably isn't the best.
04:04:01.380
way to protect women is probably, in fact, I would argue it's perhaps one of the worst ways possible to protect women for all the programs which exist.
04:04:09.200
That's the whole reason why they paid them and paid pimps in the first place though, right?
04:04:13.460
Is because for protection, cause like of what can happen.
04:04:20.300
Like how are you going to be so parasitical that you would actually allow strangers to fuck a woman while you took a percentage of it and then say it's on her behalf?
04:04:31.820
To me, a pimp is so parasitical, a literal parasite on society, almost as bad as a prostitute herself.
04:04:38.920
And so I was like, well, from my view, I think what you're talking about is, is unadulterated evil from my view.
04:04:48.480
I think that, I think you don't really understand what's really going on in the world here because we're just like, there's nothing.
04:04:55.200
If there's like a market, then like who's paying?
04:05:00.220
Do you think, it's really funny to me when we talk about supply and demand, right?
04:05:07.220
We could make a market out of anything, couldn't we?
04:05:14.300
I mean, there could be all sorts of demand for theft, right?
04:05:23.600
So the thing is, is like, you could have thieving gangs and there's an endless amount of people who want to engage in this activity, right?
04:05:33.520
And tons of supply for the people who want the stolen goods, things like this.
04:05:38.580
It doesn't mean that it's right or it's righteous or it's in any way good.
04:05:42.500
So the thing is, is like, when I hear this, when I hear this idea of, well, you know, there's a supply and a demand issue.
04:05:52.280
For example, the few thousand suppliers or the millions of consumers, I would say it's far easier to control the suppliers than it is the consumers, right?
04:06:04.860
Like, what I don't think that you're understanding from what I'm saying is that, like, we're all just trying to survive out here.
04:06:14.680
And when you learn lessons along the way, you can either choose to, like, continue with the bad or you can, you know, try to be more righteous.
04:06:37.960
And I'm not even beating you up about these decisions.
04:06:41.920
What I'm saying is that making a later justification that I did these bad things based on hardship, right?
04:06:51.320
It's like, you know, you should read S.E. Hinton's Outsiders.
04:06:55.180
It was written by a woman, in fact, when she was 16.
04:07:00.380
And what she's saying in this novel is it doesn't matter if you're the South Side Soge, it doesn't matter if you're a greaser.
04:07:08.240
You don't get to make immoral actions because things are really hard.
04:07:20.120
Alex, I do want to apologize for the delay here for getting this pulled up.
04:07:52.000
Yo, Alex, thanks for the big $100 donation, man.
04:08:00.820
The fact that none of the women on the panel found Andrew's joke about being autistic funny
04:08:14.800
Jason says, it sounds like you have horrible parents.
04:08:18.740
Oh, wait, it hasn't even come up yet, and I'm already starting.
04:08:22.780
Okay, well, it sounds like you have horrible parents.
04:08:34.640
No, they're the best parents ever, and they're going to be the best childhood ever.
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Don't respect the opinion of someone whose body count is higher than their IQ.
04:08:48.180
Is speed running her way to an unfulfilled life?
04:09:07.300
If your daughter told you she wanted to do OF, you as her mother should stop her at all costs.
04:09:11.840
The fact that you would support her makes you a horrible mother.
04:09:13.860
You shouldn't be able, you shouldn't be a mother.
04:09:21.660
Yeah, do you want to answer just his question, though?
04:09:31.040
If you wanted to, when you supported that, would that make you a horrible mother, is his question, essentially.
04:09:47.140
The fact that none of the women on the panel found Andrew's joke about being autistic funny is irrefutable.
04:10:34.440
Oh, I got to do a couple shout outs here really quick.
04:10:41.460
Guys, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod, if you want 100% of your contribution to go to the
04:10:46.380
podcast, we do have Colin, thank you for the 50.
04:11:08.460
Imagine Debating the Gossip Column and Celebrating Your Win.
04:11:17.540
Listen, I know it's been a little contentious tonight.
04:11:28.400
What's wrong with debating the gossip column if the gossip's about you?
04:11:48.460
You want to have you, your husband, and then we'll just ask him.
04:11:54.360
I'm going to DM you back on Cash App or whatever you said that to.
04:11:59.400
Then that would destroy the narrative that you only have a woman on the show.
04:12:02.200
No, I think it would be really interesting, though, because like I think some of the narrative
04:12:06.100
when it comes to like women who are involved in like sex work, is it like it's going to
04:12:10.380
have like really negative impacts on your relationships.
04:12:15.300
But like here you are, you've been married, you have kids.
04:12:19.460
From the sound of it, I mean, you guys have been together a really long time.
04:12:23.260
Maybe there's like a little bit of issues early on.
04:12:33.700
Sorry, that was not the chat to me for the day.
04:12:39.860
I think it'd be an interesting conversation to have if you want to run it by him.
04:12:45.540
Because like I said, we, here you are, I guess, defying, I don't know if you would consider
04:12:51.080
defying the odds, but a lot of, I think it's the case that maybe, maybe not a lot, but a
04:12:55.240
lot of women in the industry sometimes struggle when it comes to dating, especially like maybe
04:12:59.920
while they're in it, but even afterwards they can struggle a little bit.
04:13:08.520
Also, Andrew wants to have a 1v1 with Ayla and Candace.
04:13:24.000
I do not like his debate norms because I don't trust him to be truth finding.
04:13:47.220
I think I'm mostly interested in finding out what's going on instead of like trying to do public battle.
04:13:54.820
I think you relate to debate as public battle, which makes sense to do.
04:14:00.980
If you're looking for just pure fact finding or fact versus fact, I'm happy to do those
04:14:05.080
You can do what's called formal or time debate where you can match facts against facts.
04:14:13.060
If you prefer a less adversarial form of debate, then we would do a formal debate, which would
04:14:18.140
You could put your facts up, and then I could debunk them all.
04:14:23.860
I would hope that you'd like to know if you're wrong.
04:14:25.620
And then maybe we can help each other figure out.
04:14:34.280
But in this case, your empirical data is really not good.
04:14:39.100
And I would enjoy actually doing a debate on the empirical data that you put out as though
04:14:47.200
Well, we can have further conversations and see if that can be arranged.
04:15:19.000
So can you tell me the name of the person that made this claim?
04:15:25.900
And I was like, well, is that the person that showed up?
04:15:32.140
Instead of like what you said, which was one degree away.
04:15:36.960
And then all of a sudden, when we do our due diligence, look at what happens.
04:15:40.840
Suddenly with due diligence, the whole thing makes no sense.
04:15:44.160
Andrew, don't punish behavior that you want repeated.
04:15:47.100
I'm openly trying to see if I'm wrong and willing to admit that and concede and apologize.
04:15:56.240
Well, I mean, we've been high on the concession, but short on the apology.
04:16:01.600
You're the one that's like, that's harping on due diligence.
04:16:10.040
Brian says, not only is this factually untrue, but on top of it being factually untrue, you
04:16:14.540
actually don't have a leg to stand on to even make the claims.
04:16:19.900
And then you go, well, they're kind of giving me the runaround.
04:16:22.400
It's like, it just seems like it's a concession without the portion that matters, which is
04:16:32.160
Because he said a name, and I'm not going to throw the wrong name under the bus.
04:16:36.360
I got one name, and I said, did this person, is he the one making the claim that he got
04:16:44.520
Because I'm not going to say, oh, Bob is the one that came here.
04:16:53.320
I don't want to throw the wrong person under the bus.
04:16:54.620
Like, ladies, would you date the guy who killed Osama bin Laden?
04:17:07.840
How about maybe we can make a bargain so we can just move past this, right?
04:17:11.840
If you are willing to apologize to Brian, right?
04:17:16.080
Apologize to him for the obvious slander, which was here without you doing your due diligence.
04:17:28.460
I'll just, I'll literally just put out a public apology.
04:17:32.560
God, Andrew has never apologized to a woman ever in the history of.
04:17:41.260
You will get his first, you will take his apology to a woman virginity.
04:17:54.820
So even then, even then, with this concern, you still will apologize, actually.
04:17:58.560
Wait, should we get the, do you want to do the bow?
04:18:07.980
But the apologies, actually, I feel like, like tenfold more painful, right?
04:18:15.100
Because she just clearly does not want to apologize.
04:18:23.940
Again, I didn't want to throw the wrong name under and say, oh, that was the person that
04:18:29.440
I'm so sorry that I didn't do my due diligence.
04:18:33.720
And I just took the gossip train and then made a video that got a lot of views and misrepresented
04:18:46.280
And I should have contacted you before making such a claim because that is my responsibility.
04:18:56.380
And I'm so sorry, Andrew, that my Indian editor put your name in there.
04:19:04.060
Because I didn't know that was going to happen.
04:19:10.560
You mean the guy who put my name in the title for the clip?
04:19:14.120
My editor is a Mexican, so I'll get you a Mexican editor.
04:19:22.440
But next time, I will reach out to the other person to get the other side.
04:19:30.420
I accept your apology on condition that you hit a bow.
04:20:16.460
I had to scold her about those tomatoes that are just tomatoes, but stirring the noodles.
04:20:30.400
She did all that, and you still broke up with her?
04:20:49.240
So I think it would be appropriate for a little bow if you wanted to just stand up.
04:20:55.580
In fact, every woman, if you also want to hit a bow, I will accept a bow.
04:22:00.420
I know I did something, or I'm going to do something, so I'll just...
04:22:08.600
Admitting error is super cool and often hard to do, so...
04:22:17.880
Old chick in the red dress is the unfortunate example of...
04:22:23.340
Example of Protestantism's tendency towards generating delusional weirdos.
04:22:31.040
I mean, there's a couple different women in red.
04:22:46.780
Guys, if you want, you can get a read in at 100, TTS 200, and then you can also drop a not...
04:22:53.220
They don't take a Venmo cash out, whatever pod.
04:22:57.200
Stifler asks everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
04:23:01.360
Rate your own looks on a scale of 1 to 10, starting with Ayla.
04:23:07.740
Is there anything past the six, like a 3-3-3, like repeating, of course?
04:23:34.120
I don't want to say I'm a 3, that means I lost the game.
04:23:57.060
I mean, so this, I think, does require a little bit of clarification.
04:24:02.520
So, I think that a lot of the people who beat up on the whatever podcast about this question, I think it's kind of silly.
04:24:08.380
So, the idea is just, we're just trying to judge delusion, right?
04:24:13.240
So, you would probably say beauty is subjective, this type of thing.
04:24:22.040
I need to get the other answers before we get into it.
04:24:55.680
I don't know, tonight I'm feeling myself, so I'll give myself an 8.
04:25:16.800
Well, I mean, there's actually some pretty good honesty on this panel, I think.
04:25:32.860
I just wanted to get the answers from the rest of the panel before we...
04:25:35.480
Well, this is something you see from feminists often.
04:25:38.900
They want to be very hypercritical of the idea of the rating, right?
04:25:49.500
Well, what you're asking is, is the self-obsessed, or how do I phrase this right?
04:25:58.260
The self-assessment, is the self-assessment mapping onto reality or isn't it, right?
04:26:05.880
I did a survey on this specifically to see how delusional people are.
04:26:17.700
I mean, it's just like, they often actually will lie and know that they're lying if there's
04:26:23.340
a social group around them which reinforces that lie, right?
04:26:27.140
So if there's no judgment going towards them from the people around them, they'll actually
04:26:33.480
Now, this is notoriously true of women in a room, but not notoriously true of men.
04:26:38.900
They tend to not really do that because the man next to them will be like, what the fuck
04:26:43.780
Or the man next to them will be like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude?
04:26:50.720
They'll instantly look at each other and just beat the holy hell out of each other.
04:27:00.280
They'll actually reinforce things they don't believe themselves.
04:27:02.400
So for instance, let me ask a question to the entire panel just to kind of demonstrate this.
04:27:08.860
Have any of you women, do you agree that when women are around each other, they judge each
04:27:18.500
That women will judge each other on looks, on outfits, on all sorts of different things,
04:27:24.680
on which eyelashes are better, which makeup is better?
04:27:27.700
They don't say it out loud, but you're just judging it in your head.
04:27:41.120
So back to the question, do you agree that women do do this?
04:27:47.960
So can we agree then, by a show of hands, that women do this?
04:27:59.520
It's really hard to do, but, you know, it's something to learn.
04:28:03.920
Raise your hand if you've ever sat at a table with women and judged them.
04:28:13.700
Now, raise your hand if you sat down at this table and judged any other women.
04:28:23.300
Judging their looks, their looks is what I mean.
04:28:25.720
You judge their looks, their makeup, their dress, their this, their that.
04:28:30.400
Now that you know what judgment means in this concept...
04:28:36.440
You're judging whether or not their makeup looks good or doesn't look good
04:28:39.900
or if they should have worn a different outfit or should have worn a different outfit, etc.
04:28:50.140
It would not be, oh, they should have worn this.
04:28:55.940
But what you're talking about is much more harsh of like, ew, oh, like, versus like,
04:29:01.740
oh, did they look nicer than I do or something?
04:29:09.580
And say that you think, okay, well, then let me ask it that way.
04:29:12.760
Raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought that there was a woman at the table
04:29:19.960
Raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought there was another woman there who
04:29:28.460
And so then how come it was when I asked if you sat down and judged the other women
04:29:32.420
at the table, none of you showed your fucking hands.
04:29:38.740
I mean, it's that simple every single time, right?
04:29:47.360
Now, listen, sometimes there's a sensation of disdain.
04:29:49.920
And this is what people refer to when they say the word judge.
04:29:52.400
And sometimes it means like sort of evaluation, like you're checking your position in the hierarchy.
04:29:58.460
And I just didn't know which one you were talking about.
04:30:07.100
So I guess I'm a little confused as to why this is a female thing.
04:30:10.200
It's not whether or not it's a woman thing or not.
04:30:17.220
So I answer hers first, and I'll move to yours.
04:30:25.180
It's like, well, okay, what do you mean by judgment?
04:30:32.840
I ask you, well, raise your hand if you judge the woman at the table.
04:30:40.760
Then I say, well, raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought that another
04:30:44.380
woman who was there was more attractive than you.
04:30:47.880
Therefore, all of you are admitting you made a judgment.
04:31:05.540
And then it was kind of unclear what you meant.
04:31:07.520
And then I would have raised your hand if you had said the thing that you meant.
04:31:15.880
And I said I was judging based on beauty standards.
04:31:17.920
If you're making an assessment about beauty standards, which you then later admitted you wouldn't.
04:31:21.880
So the thing is, is what you're doing now is an even lower tier form of pedantry.
04:31:26.880
Because you can rewind the tape and see that I specifically, with you, hang on, with you specifically,
04:31:35.940
And then, that's when I asked the follow-up question.
04:31:40.160
You said words that were not the thing that you asked later.
04:31:45.780
That when I asked the follow-up question, everybody knew what I meant, including you.
04:31:50.320
The follow-up question was a great specificity.
04:31:53.020
And that's when we found out the two things, didn't we?
04:31:55.480
If you would like to say that checking yourself in that hierarchy is judgment, I'm very happy
04:32:02.580
I just really wanted to understand what you meant.
04:32:05.600
I don't think you were confused about what I meant.
04:32:09.200
We were further able to demonstrate that by me clarifying.
04:32:12.300
And then the second that I did, you answered the question the same exact way as every
04:32:18.940
I think you were being dishonest in the way that you were arguing.
04:32:23.580
But it feels like you sort of want to act like I'm being trapped in some sort of verbal
04:32:28.400
corner, which I don't think is really what's happening.
04:32:31.140
But I'm happy to say that I judge things according to your definition.
04:32:34.240
In my world, though, what we call that is cope.
04:32:49.160
I know it's difficult for you to admit, but it is the case.
04:32:52.880
What I'm showing is that I'm demonstrating that all of you fucking lied to me.
04:33:00.160
Let me expand our definition of lying, then sure.
04:33:06.360
The reason is, is because it's very easy for women in social circles, if one woman lies
04:33:12.340
and the rest of them reinforce the lie, for them to continue with the lie, men seem to
04:33:15.960
be more commonly, women seem, or men seem to call out when men are telling lies, right?
04:33:25.720
Like, let's say a man was sitting in chair one, which is a panel of men, and the man
04:33:30.840
The other dude would be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
04:33:37.760
That's why the answers are so bizarre from our view.
04:33:40.540
We're like, what the fuck are they talking about?
04:33:41.820
I agree that women are significantly more, like, responsive to social pressure and much
04:33:45.760
more likely to lie to each other about their appearance.
04:33:49.560
It's, like, kind of weird because, like, your end goal is something that I don't actually
04:33:55.140
I know, you just want to argue with me to argue.
04:33:57.660
I don't think I really like arguing for arguing's sake.
04:34:02.020
Well, I mean, that's arguing for argument's sake.
04:34:17.120
A large language model is, like, a predictive text algorithm, like, trained on specific stuff.
04:34:25.920
I think some people would sort of disguise when they don't know things, but I think that
04:34:30.840
I always want to know exactly what I'm talking about before I talk about it, which just proves
04:34:35.220
But I would like to say that I would like to admit when you are good at things and then
04:34:39.400
also say when I think that you are bad and I think that was a good move and I'm trying
04:34:45.300
And consistently, I'm really good at what I do.
04:34:47.560
And this has been proven now to you multiple times.
04:34:49.880
So you got caught in the trap the same way everybody else did for the same reason everybody
04:34:56.640
And so because you lied, you got caught in the same trap.
04:35:00.220
I mean, you have an interesting definition of lying, but if we've given your definition
04:35:10.600
Why did you make the claim about whether or not I was lying without you?
04:35:14.280
If I'm not even asking for it before you said that I was.
04:35:31.060
My definition is like knowing, like having a belief and then saying something contrary
04:35:43.720
Yeah, no, I think it externally did because what happened was you got clarification on the
04:35:48.880
After you got the clarification on the question, you answered the exact same way that everybody
04:35:55.640
That's a question that everybody understood, including you.
04:36:00.260
You were doing something inconsistent with your internal state.
04:36:04.700
I got clarification on a question and then updated my answer.
04:36:08.160
That seems like pretty good norms to me, pretty good communication norms.
04:36:12.220
I mean, to me and most regular people, they would just call that a lie, but okay, fair
04:36:18.740
We have Jason Cassell, chair four, so you would be okay with your daughter selling herself
04:36:24.440
Do you even realize how horrible that is and why that makes you a horrible mother be a better
04:36:36.240
I don't feel the need to validate my motherhood to anyone.
04:36:43.920
The talking point that Andrew only beats up on meek women is patently false.
04:36:47.340
He debated Sank, Ugaran, Piers, Morgan, infamous atheist, Matt, Dillahunty, Dave Smith, destiny,
04:36:58.480
And again, I didn't know about your other show until you did.
04:37:12.460
No, I don't think we were there were like tens here, right?
04:37:24.400
Well, actually, Candace, you kind of like refused to answer it.
04:37:38.600
And I think Andrew is trying to like, he keeps hinting that I'm a feminist.
04:37:42.920
Like there's, there's not a bucket I'm going to go in.
04:37:51.520
I didn't want you to think as being around the bush.
04:37:53.900
Or trying to make inferences or implications that weren't there.
04:38:04.820
You're going to have most women that are going to either.
04:38:07.780
Like Ayla said, there's going to be a disproportionate amount of people that are delusional
04:38:11.320
and look at themselves like a, a really high number, but then you're going to also have
04:38:16.460
So they're going to go, I'm going to be modest and go low so that no one thinks I'm egotistical.
04:38:20.640
Like there's no winning by picking a number essentially.
04:38:23.500
Like either like, oh, she picked a low because she doesn't want us to know that she's a narcissist
04:38:31.140
What if she picked a number that was, you know, if you polled a thousand people was fairly
04:38:35.980
commensurate with what those people polled and what she actually thinks.
04:38:40.080
And if it was like, what if, what if she thinks she's a six and then a bunch of people, some
04:38:44.240
give her seven, some give her five, a bunch of people give her six.
04:38:49.000
I mean, if she thinks she's a six and nobody's like, oh, okay.
04:38:54.880
Like, I don't think we don't like typically like it's when a girl who's clearly not a 10
04:39:02.260
Like, otherwise if like a girl's like ranks herself like one point higher, we don't be like,
04:39:07.920
And then the, the feminist nod was like, he was like, beauty is saying that I was going
04:39:13.540
And to a point, if you're talking about art or something, sure.
04:39:16.220
But I think when you're talking about a person, there's the golden ratio, people are usually
04:39:21.780
And then there's, you know, both ends of the spectrum.
04:39:25.580
But yes, I think that beauty traditionally is, is objective.
04:39:31.420
I mean, I, I guess the, the reason we asked the question is because I think in the dating
04:39:37.700
marketplace, you need to have a sense of where you stand in it.
04:39:42.100
Like if you have a house and you think it's worth 5 million, you put it on the market, the
04:39:47.700
market says, and this is 1 million, you're not going to sell the house.
04:39:50.120
And I'm not saying that women are houses, it's purely an analogy, but, um, I do think
04:39:56.160
that there is a, a, uh, something going on whereby, uh, I mean, if you look at the woman's
04:40:02.200
Instagram, for example, all her friends are gassing her up in the comments.
04:40:10.940
Uh, this woman could be fairly, I'm not saying this to be mean to this hypothetical woman.
04:40:15.540
She could be completely unremarkable, not particularly attractive.
04:40:20.120
Um, women tend to gas each other up and there's another component here that I think is really
04:40:25.360
interesting is that, um, like if I approach a girl and let's say she's just like, obviously
04:40:32.380
more physically attractive than me, I'm getting instantly rejected.
04:40:43.660
Lily, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your,
04:40:47.440
um, but no, if, if a guy steps to a girl who's just like out of his league, uh, and you can
04:40:53.300
consider league looks, but you can consider other things too.
04:40:56.040
And I think it is other things, especially with men.
04:40:58.880
But if a guy steps to a girl that's out of his league instant, like nothing, he doesn't
04:41:11.560
If as a woman, you step to a guy who's outside of your league, whether it's on a dating app,
04:41:17.000
you slide into his DMS or at a bar or whatever.
04:41:19.660
And you are in essence, in the same way that men are like enthusiastically wanting to have
04:41:24.760
If you as a woman make yourself sexually available to a man, they'll take up that opportunity.
04:41:30.480
Not, not all men will, but they'll take a lot of men will take up an opportunity to
04:41:34.880
have sex with a woman who's enthusiastic and interested.
04:41:43.220
Like I say, if I step to like a 10 out of 10, I ain't getting anything from her.
04:41:49.320
Whereas women, if she's maybe average looking, if she steps to a guy who's seven, eight, nine,
04:41:54.820
she might not, she's not going to get every single good guy who's a seven, eight or nine.
04:41:58.960
She might end up sleeping with, with one or two or three, maybe multiple times.
04:42:07.460
Maybe he'll even keep her around in a situation chip for three to six months.
04:42:14.900
And so what ends up happening though is, I mean, if you have these women who are getting
04:42:20.860
sexual access and they feel like they're so close to getting that relationship with that
04:42:30.660
One, they are getting that sexual satisfaction with somebody who's out of their league.
04:42:39.540
How are they going to feel when the guy who's actually willing to give them commitment,
04:42:46.460
The sex is not going to be as exciting or she's not going to be as immersed in the sexual
04:42:52.680
She's going to be thinking about like this other really hot dude or like the 10, 20 other really
04:42:56.800
hot dudes that she had casual sex with that just were unwilling to give her a relationship.
04:43:01.260
And so what ends up happening, well, a couple of things end up happening.
04:43:05.120
She has an overestimated sense of her looks because she, oh, okay, I can sleep with a guy
04:43:15.740
The, the, sorry, I'm losing my train of thought here.
04:43:22.600
The guy who's willing to give you commitment just because a guy's willing to sleep with
04:43:26.360
If he's a nine, that doesn't make a woman a nine.
04:43:28.700
But so what ends up happening is you got these women, they go out.
04:43:31.660
It's really easy to get sexual access to men who are more attractive than you.
04:43:34.740
We see this all the time with like famous actors, musicians, athletes.
04:43:37.800
They'll like gladly sleep with like a woman who doesn't match up to them in any regard.
04:43:43.620
Like an average woman can like, maybe not average, but like they can get with an NFL player.
04:43:54.540
They've hooked up with NFL players, NBA players.
04:43:57.080
Maybe you guys have your own experiences where you've like been DM'd by like famous musicians
04:44:02.640
Some of you live in LA, you know, like these men, like you have access to these men.
04:44:09.040
How are you going to go like date Leonardo DiCaprio and then end up with like a normal dude?
04:44:15.680
Like, I don't think in the same way that if you lived in a luxury apartment,
04:44:18.860
and then you're going to go live in the dorm room with three other people and share a bathroom.
04:44:23.180
And it's really hard to like have that certain level of treatment or experience when these
04:44:28.960
women are dating really attractive men and then be like, oh, okay, here's the guy who's
04:44:33.400
Here's the cohort of men who are actually willing to commit to me.
04:44:36.660
But they don't like, they're not as attractive as the men who are willing to sleep with me.
04:44:40.720
They don't have as much status as these men who are willing to sleep with me.
04:44:44.140
So I do think having a reasonable assessment of your own physical attractiveness would like
04:44:49.780
indicate, hmm, is it really good idea that I go fuck like this rock star and then I'm
04:44:54.740
going to be like completely sexually dissatisfied with like Joe Schmo, average guy?
04:44:58.220
Because like most average women are not attracted to average men.
04:45:04.520
I assume you've heard women talk about having this experience.
04:45:08.260
You've heard women talk about having this experience?
04:45:10.180
Like, like when they're trying to date and then they're like, I've had thousands of
04:45:14.280
women who've come on the show and they're like completely average and they're like, oh
04:45:18.400
yeah, this famous guy's like in my DMs and like I dated XYZ, I dated an NFL player, I
04:45:25.140
I was just curious about the difficulty finding commitment part.
04:45:28.620
Well, what I'm, what I'm saying is, is like when it comes to female hypergamy is they
04:45:33.900
can find commitment, but the men, it's like, how often do you hear women say something
04:45:38.380
like, oh, the guy that I like, he doesn't like me.
04:45:43.220
Like those are the guys who are willing to give them commitment so they can find commitment.
04:45:50.920
And from like 18 to 30, they'll be chasing after these men and like situationship, situationship,
04:45:55.980
one night stand, friends with benefits, boom, boom, boom.
04:45:59.980
I'm not saying this is the case for all women, plenty of women throughout their twenties
04:46:04.680
But like, this is the experience of a lot of women.
04:46:07.560
And then ultimately when they're 30, they're like, oh, okay, I'm going to get married now.
04:46:11.100
And then they're just totally dissatisfied with the men who are actually willing to commit
04:46:14.420
to them because they spent like their twenties fucking these like NFL, NBA players and so
04:46:21.000
And I'm using that as an extreme example, but it could just be like the like really attractive
04:46:29.420
I think I was just checking if this was like a, like a specific anecdote that you'd have
04:46:33.180
to more like theory, general observation you'd notice over like extrapolating.
04:46:37.580
I mean, this is, this is something that I think is observed in the dating marketplace.
04:46:42.680
I mean, the statistics from the dating app seem to indicate this, that women are overwhelmingly
04:46:47.700
swiping on like the top 10% of men on dating apps.
04:46:52.780
I'm like trying to figure out how much of a bubble I'm in basically.
04:46:55.060
So I was just curious, like if the thing was a general thing, like you have access to
04:46:58.540
the same information I have, or if you're like, yeah, I've been talking to this woman
04:47:01.240
and they're like, wow, I was trying to find a relationship when I'm 30, but I fucked all
04:47:06.200
And like, why can't I find a man as good as I was fucking?
04:47:08.760
Well, I mean, do you, do you think that this could be a phenomenon where like once you've
04:47:12.600
experienced a certain level of, uh, um, treatment or like dated a certain like caliber
04:47:20.000
of guy, it's kind of like hard to be, be like, and maybe you do end up settling with
04:47:27.000
that other guy, but like in the dark recesses of your mind, you're like still like, ah,
04:47:32.800
you still, oh man, this guy was better in like this dimension.
04:47:35.560
Maybe it's the guy is, he was really generous or he was really good in bed, big dick, whatever
04:47:40.860
Like he's really tall, really good looking status.
04:47:44.460
And then you start creating an amalgamation of like all the like most amazing characteristics
04:47:48.360
that like 10 different guys who you dated all have.
04:47:51.020
And you're like, okay, I need that in one dude.
04:47:56.100
I think there might be some other theories that explain what's going on, but I, I genuinely
04:48:02.400
I mean, there's all kinds of ways to approach like the dating marketplace and everything
04:48:07.040
But like, for example, uh, alternative hypothesis might be like, I, there's a lot of men that
04:48:11.940
I dated, but I sort of like in hindsight feel like I really should not be dating them anymore
04:48:18.780
You could argue that I've like downplayed all their good qualities.
04:48:21.520
So maybe we have a psychological phenomenon where we like sort of don't remember how good
04:48:26.000
people were because we're like, fuck those guys or something.
04:48:28.620
Um, I don't know if that's actually what's going on.
04:48:29.960
I'm just giving like something that another theory we could test.
04:48:33.700
Like, have you had, like, is there one partner in particular you've had who was like
04:48:44.120
Um, how about like prior to him, was there a gap where like you had a really amazing
04:48:48.580
sexual experience with a certain guy and then like guys after him like did not sexually
04:48:54.700
And because they didn't like meet, meet to that standard or that caliber of the previous
04:49:05.140
So like, I've like had sex with a kinky guy and then I've had sex with vanilla guys.
04:49:09.260
I was like, man, I wish I had sex with a kinky guy.
04:49:11.640
But, but I mean, you do, you did have that experience.
04:49:17.200
And then like question, were you, while you were dating these men, maybe not necessarily
04:49:21.580
during sex, were you thinking about like, oh man, this other guy was way better.
04:49:29.240
Like, I don't know if I'm representative possibly.
04:49:31.140
Like I can't, I'll give you a personal anecdote.
04:49:35.600
Um, so, um, so, oh my God, I can't believe I'm, uh, Andrew earmuffs.
04:49:46.680
In the same way that like women, once you fall on, like you're, you're, you're playing Russian
04:49:51.060
You're like rolling the dice and then you land on like the dick, you know, it doesn't like,
04:49:56.880
he's just that good in bed, you know, this shit.
04:50:10.760
Uh, look, all pussy is good, but some pussy is better than other.
04:50:16.580
Like, I don't know, like a woman who's like multi-orgasmic who can come in like five seconds
04:50:21.000
and then she can have like multiples and like come like 20 times in a row and it's super easy.
04:50:25.000
And then you're going to like deal with the girl who like, you need to fucking jackhammer
04:50:28.460
to like make her come like a quarter of the way to a climax.
04:50:31.840
It's like, okay, that's kind of like, you've been, you've been accustomed to a woman who can
04:50:35.980
come and then like, that also feels really good, both like physically and psychologically
04:50:43.220
Um, so it's kind of like once you've, you know, it's like, ah, how do you go back to like
04:50:49.440
You know, obviously people are more than just like the sexual experience.
04:50:57.860
So it's not just the sex, but I'm just like within that realm of like sex, it's hard to
04:51:07.360
And then you're going to date the girl who's like, yeah, she doesn't really get that way.
04:51:18.640
Look, I have, yes, I've encountered a woman who's like incredibly, insanely orgasmic.
04:51:22.640
And then I've also like subsequent to that dated girl who like, she couldn't even make
04:51:28.860
Like some women are just, it's hard, really hard for them.
04:51:33.020
But I feel like where a lot of women have this problem.
04:51:37.720
You know, where a lot of women have this problem where they go from someone that they're, you
04:51:40.900
know, having great sex with and really into and have this great connection with to like
04:51:44.800
then going, maybe downgrading and, you know, having a bit of shit sex.
04:51:48.600
It's because usually they go from, you know, being in a relationship, seeing someone long
04:51:52.740
Cause I feel like as women, we enjoy sex more with a partner, the more we have sex with
04:52:01.900
And so when you go from like seeing someone and being with someone for quite a long, long
04:52:06.580
And then like, maybe, you know, you're sleeping around a lot and it's like, oh my God, these
04:52:12.040
It's not because they're shit in bed or you're, you've got a bad connection with them.
04:52:15.580
It's because you've spent so much more like time and effort with the person before.
04:52:20.720
I agree with you that there's more to like a relationship than strictly just the sex
04:52:24.120
and absolutely sex can improve and you can work on it and it can be better.
04:52:33.720
I mean, I also feel like a lot of the times with just like one-off things, like they, they
04:52:43.060
And that's why we want the guys that are committed because they actually don't treat
04:52:47.340
And they'll learn and they'll take the time to like.
04:52:58.560
Candice is honestly so hot that it makes it worth the ear damage.
04:53:02.600
Do you want to respond to the, to this Candice?
04:53:15.660
You're a bright, Ayla, you're a bright girl, but you're engaging in bad faith pedantry.
04:53:22.260
The quintessential Bill Clinton depends on what the meaning of the word is, is.
04:53:33.500
I think that that's fair to always get clarification on what a person means that the portion where
04:53:40.480
it becomes pedantic is if the person gives you what they mean and then you refuse to accept
04:53:51.140
We should care what kind of mother you are to your daughter.
04:53:54.760
You told the world that you are okay with your daughter being a prostitute.
04:54:03.780
Would you be cool if she was like getting like driven around by her though?
04:54:10.500
That was a completely different scenario that she described with addiction problems and
04:54:15.320
I would also love to respond to this because as well, like I feel like it affects me because
04:54:19.260
it's also my, as in like my mom supports me when I started OnlyFans.
04:54:25.200
My mom always describes it as like, I can sit there and be totally against it and never
04:54:29.620
speak to you again, you know, never have a relationship with you anymore.
04:54:34.360
But it's like, that would be way more heartbreak than, you know, if she actually supported me in
04:54:41.760
Like, would you, she would rather have that than-
04:54:45.320
Would you, if you knew before you had started doing OF, knew definitively, like maybe you
04:54:51.900
had a conversation with your parents and your parents said, Lily, if you do this, our relationship
04:55:19.520
And they're like, you went to them and you're like, I'm thinking about doing this.
04:55:24.140
I think it's hard because I would not have then experienced what joy this has brung me.
04:55:31.800
So I, I wouldn't have then like known, you know, is this going to actually be the career
04:55:36.600
So maybe it would have, but then again, I also think that if your parents gave you an
04:55:44.140
ultimatum, it would just make you want to choose the thing that like fucks them off the
04:55:49.640
If your parents are going like, I will never speak to you again if you do this as a teenage
04:55:57.160
But so it, it wouldn't, so you would, you would have taken the choice, the choice to just
04:56:03.020
start your OnlyFans knowing the entailment being the relationship with your parents is
04:56:14.420
Cause right now I know, I know the joy this job brings me and so I can't put myself in
04:56:24.440
So if it is the case, they don't want you to do OnlyFans and then you're going to do
04:56:30.080
OnlyFans, but then they say they're going to disown you and you're still going to do
04:56:37.960
Because it's the same result either way, right?
04:56:43.540
If it is the case that if they give you an ultimatum, you would do OnlyFans, but you're
04:56:49.440
going to do OnlyFans without the ultimatum, then what do they lose?
04:56:55.620
I just meant in the sense of like, well, my parents then lose me if they give me this
04:57:04.240
So the idea here is if they give you an ultimatum for behavior, that you're not going to talk
04:57:12.060
So they have to concede to your behavioral standards.
04:57:15.780
I feel like I'm, I think I'm confused with what's going on.
04:57:20.180
So if I have a behavioral standard for a person, if you do X, I don't want to be a part of your,
04:57:28.820
Like, I don't know, murder, let's say something like this.
04:57:32.660
If it were the case that I gave them the ultimatum and then they went and did the activity anyway,
04:57:38.740
versus I did not give them the ultimatum and then they still went and did the activity,
04:57:43.320
what the hell do I lose by giving them the ultimatum?
04:57:45.960
It sounds like giving them the ultimatum at least shows them where it is that you stand.
04:57:51.200
No, because then if you gave me the ultimatum, then we, say like you and my dad, we never,
04:57:56.980
So then you would never get in contact with me.
04:57:58.300
Well, right, but then that would be you saying the behavioral standards of me, you need to
04:58:04.560
accept versus them saying the ultimate, the behavioral standards I have, you need to accept.
04:58:10.320
So basically you're just usurping behavioral standards from your parents, right?
04:58:14.240
You're saying you need to either concede to my behavior or else.
04:58:21.200
No, but at the end of the day, it's my career, it's my life, it's my job.
04:58:29.180
It's a choice you get to make, but you're saying if you don't agree with the choice,
04:58:36.340
They turn out, like, if you can pick and choose who your babies are,
04:58:39.840
your job as a parent is to protect them and to love them.
04:58:43.320
And if you could eat me, me, me, me, and me, and pick your perfect child every time...
04:58:47.900
I mean, I'm sorry, I think unconditional love is very important.
04:58:53.960
No, I dispute that this is the job of a parent.
04:58:56.500
I think one aspect of parenting would be to protect your child and to love your child.
04:59:02.440
But love has many facilitations as to what that means.
04:59:07.200
I think that holding standards for behavior is part of love.
04:59:13.740
I think that holding standards for behavior is part of loving somebody.
04:59:19.380
The idea that if you love me, I can do whatever the fuck I want, regardless of your beliefs,
04:59:28.320
But I think because my parents loved me so much,
04:59:31.360
they would way rather see me in a job I enjoy than, you know, something I would hate,
04:59:36.160
and it'd make my life miserable, and, you know, it'd make me depressed.
04:59:45.580
I'm thinking in my head, if you were going to do something which was against my standards
05:00:00.340
But anyway, that aside, if it is the case that I'm like,
05:00:03.940
this behavioral standard is unacceptable to me, and they're like,
05:00:07.000
well, I'm going to do it anyway, and you can either fucking deal with it or not, right?
05:00:12.580
And it's like, well, yeah, there's an ultimatum, I guess, on my side,
05:00:15.740
but there's also an ultimatum on theirs, right?
05:00:18.140
So the thing is, is from my view, though, shouldn't a parent kind of hold the line?
05:00:23.480
Shouldn't a parent be like, no, this behavior, nonsense, needs to stop.
05:00:29.260
It's damaging to you, it's damaging to society, and I'm not going to indulge in any of it.
05:00:36.720
How's it love to just be like, do whatever the fuck you want?
05:00:40.800
The thing is, though, parents are there to guide them,
05:00:43.660
not just absolutely abandon them, you know, and things like that.
05:00:47.100
Well, that's going to be the kid abandoning the parents.
05:00:50.420
No, because if the parents are giving them an ultimatum...
05:00:52.260
The parents are saying, I have a behavioral standard, and the kid is saying,
05:00:54.600
but I'm not going to adhere to it, and unless you do,
05:00:57.660
I'm not going to deal with you anymore, isn't that the kid abandoning the parent?
05:01:03.820
Well, no, because no one really asks to be born.
05:01:08.740
That's like, oh, I can just say, well, I didn't ask to be a parent.
05:01:13.400
But whether you ask for it or not, it is the case you're the parent,
05:01:18.260
and whether you ask to be born or not, it is the case you were born.
05:01:21.320
It just seems to me like the responsibility, putting all the responsibility,
05:01:24.580
especially if you're an adult, on your parents, right?
05:01:28.000
If you want a relationship with me, I'm not going to adhere to your behavioral standards,
05:01:33.980
I mean, how do you not have culpability for this supposed abandonment, right?
05:01:38.040
But the thing is, you're an 18-year-old, you're an adult.
05:01:40.680
Like, your parents can't give you an ultimatum and tell you exactly what to do at that age.
05:01:45.880
They can give you an ultimatum for the restrictions of the relationship
05:01:49.300
they're willing to have with you based on behavior, of course.
05:01:51.440
Like, if a parent said, as long as you're out being a serial killer,
05:02:02.140
What I am saying is that they have the right to say,
05:02:05.620
if you're engaged in this X behavior, I find abhorrent.
05:02:08.600
I'm using murder because it's easy to understand, right?
05:02:14.700
But I think that would make them a bad parent if they just abandoned them like that.
05:02:18.580
I think it makes you a bad kid to give an ultimatum for abandonment.
05:02:22.600
The kid isn't the one giving the ultimatum, though.
05:02:26.280
The kid is saying, I'm not going to conform to the behavioral standards.
05:02:32.020
If you want me in your life, you will concede to my behavioral standards.
05:02:38.580
But it's just like a agree to disagree of their views.
05:02:43.880
Like, the kid thinks that's totally fine to do, and the parent doesn't.
05:02:50.400
So the thing is here is if the parent says, this is not right,
05:02:55.340
the problem I have here is that the counterclaim is,
05:03:02.420
It seems like, yes, you could definitely really love a person
05:03:06.480
and not agree at all with the behavior they're doing.
05:03:08.680
So you'd never talk to your kid again if they did sex work.
05:03:11.720
And refuse to have anything to do with them until the behavior changes.
05:03:15.520
So if you had a child and, you know, eight, sorry,
05:03:21.440
I don't know your background or family situation.
05:03:25.480
And, you know, she turned 80 in and decided that she was going to take this route
05:03:32.000
Are you then giving them an ultimatum and saying,
05:03:33.900
I'm not talking to you again if you're going to do this?
05:03:35.920
I think that me saying, you're not conforming to behavioral standards
05:03:38.720
that I find acceptable, and you can either do that
05:03:46.280
So I think they would be saying the same thing to me
05:03:52.060
Or like both parties are giving this ultimatum.
05:03:56.080
So if that's the case, yeah, I don't see a problem with that.
05:03:59.080
If one of my kids said to me, I'm going to go off and be a prostitute,
05:04:05.780
There's nothing I can even do about that if I wanted to, right?
05:04:10.300
But that doesn't mean that I'm ever going to support any of these behaviors,
05:04:14.600
and until these behaviors stop, I'm not going to enable them.
05:04:18.100
So you wouldn't ever talk to your kid or anything like that?
05:04:23.440
So will your gay or prostitute kid be at Christmas dinner?
05:04:30.200
But I personally deem that as like a bad parent
05:04:37.940
Not really, because they're not doing anything wrong.
05:04:42.980
What is the parent doing wrong, then, by this metric?
05:04:52.020
If you're not talking to them anymore, you won't see them.
05:04:56.840
Okay, well, cutting off a relationship, whatever you want to call it.
05:04:59.240
If you're 18 years old, how the fuck are you abandoning a child?
05:05:02.220
Okay, well, you're cutting off all relationships, then.
05:05:07.220
Don't you put off relationships with people based on behavioural...
05:05:21.300
My parents could kill someone, I'd still talk to them.
05:05:28.220
Because family, it's not all about right and wrong.
05:05:44.140
You haven't demonstrated this person doesn't love you.
05:05:52.240
You've only demonstrated they won't give in to your behavioural standard.
05:05:56.960
I think we're just going circles in this, if I'm honest.
05:05:59.640
Because, agree to disagree, I think it would be unloving if my parents cut me off.
05:06:04.720
I think it's unloving that you won't conform to their behavioural standards.
05:06:13.960
Well, my personal parents don't demand I stop porn.
05:06:18.860
If you go off and you do corn, you still love your parents?
05:06:23.540
Okay, so why would it be the case that if your parents stopped talking to you because you
05:06:27.880
went off and did porn, that that meant they stopped loving you?
05:06:36.820
So, why would your parents stop loving you just because you did porn, even if they stopped
05:06:43.260
My personal parents aren't like this, but you're saying basically you would abandon your
05:06:49.680
child and I think, I percy deem that, that you don't love your child if you will never
05:06:54.600
speak to them or see them again because they do porn.
05:06:56.660
If they're 35 fucking years old, are they still a child?
05:06:59.720
If they're 35 years old, are they still a child?
05:07:06.800
You keep on saying you're abandoning your child as though this is a three-year-old.
05:07:13.040
My parents still call me a child because I'm a little girl.
05:07:20.020
What terminology would you like me to use for someone, your child?
05:07:27.040
No, as your child, then, if you don't want me to use the word child.
05:07:31.240
Yeah, but the reason that you're saying child is because you're infantilizing it.
05:07:44.840
You're abandoning to you by having a behavioral standard.
05:07:48.100
For your adult child, are abandoning your adult child.
05:07:52.920
So you're abandoning your adult child because they do porn, so you don't love them anymore.
05:08:00.720
But it doesn't mean that the kid stops loving them because they won't conform to their behavioral standards.
05:08:04.500
We're going to go around in circles because we're going to agree to disagree.
05:08:09.240
I believe that if you were to abandon your child because they did porn, that you don't love them anymore.
05:08:15.840
Just one last question before Brian wraps this up.
05:08:18.480
Is it, at least from your view, possible that a parent can absolutely love their child and still cut off contact with them based on behavior?
05:08:34.640
I think if you choose to be a parent, you love that kid until it dies.
05:08:56.720
My parents have always said, even if I kill someone, they would still stand by me.
05:09:01.960
You think that a good parent stands by their kid, even if they're PDF files?
05:09:12.380
You can still love your kid, but that doesn't mean you have to accept the social behavior.
05:09:34.380
Could you conceive of having a boyfriend or an ex-husband...
05:09:42.240
Who still is in love with you, but stops talking to you?
05:09:51.400
Can you think that it's possible that there could be an ex-husband or boyfriend who is
05:09:57.480
still in love with a woman, but stops talking to her?
05:10:04.620
Even if you cut contact with people, even if you cut contact off with them.
05:10:05.620
Yes, but that type of relationship is so different.
05:10:10.700
But it is possible to cut off contact with people instantly.
05:10:14.400
But yes, but that type of relationship is very different.
05:10:18.840
So what about the fact that my sperm made you makes it so that it's suddenly not love.
05:10:23.780
But if my sperm didn't make you, I still could love you.
05:10:28.840
Do you want to keep talking and going around in circles?
05:10:37.060
I hope all your kids turn out just how you want them to turn out.
05:10:39.540
Lucas says, Candace, if you have a public platform and you make public assertions about someone,
05:10:50.940
I don't know how many times we have to beat a dead horse.
05:10:55.480
We have Jason, chair three, doesn't sound like your parents love you.
05:11:08.560
Then say, Jason, save it for the roast session, okay?
05:11:36.640
Just sometimes the flow of your, like, kind of the, what's the word for it?
05:11:42.940
It reminds me of the Allison Hannigan, I think, from American Pie.
05:11:57.860
The only question I have, follow up on that, is, do you think you'll be better looking,
05:12:05.300
Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 42?
05:12:09.460
Were you better looking at 22 than you are now at 32?
05:12:21.440
Were you better looking at 25 than you are now?
05:12:38.660
I might have a lot more work done, so it depends.
05:12:54.200
Were you better looking at 33 than you are now at 43?
05:13:09.140
I'm thinking of all the things, not just like...
05:13:13.600
So, you can't factor in personality, being ethically non-monogamous?
05:13:22.260
Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 31?
05:13:43.980
Oh, honestly, I use an anti-aging face cream, so I'm pretty...
05:14:01.100
Uh, you're 30, better looking in 10 years' time at 40?
05:14:04.720
And then you're 30, were you better looking at 20?
05:14:07.360
Uh, I say yes, only because I lost a lot of weight.
05:14:12.440
Uh, you're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32?
05:14:27.480
Sometimes they're troll answers to this, but...
05:14:32.180
I think the last time I was on, I didn't quite understand the question, but now I do.
05:14:45.440
We, we used, we used the art of AI to age all of you, and we're gonna test this out.
05:15:11.120
Like, when you were younger, you looked more white.
05:15:16.780
And then, now you look more Asian, but then here you look white again.
05:16:12.380
That's like the lunch lady in elementary school, I think.
05:16:36.820
There's another batch that's like pretty much the same photos.
05:16:52.300
Is this when you're like meant to be like a child?
05:18:49.560
I was going to say, it's kind of giving like Predator, like...
05:19:02.540
I still have like lip gloss on on the other one.
05:19:43.640
I would say no just because it looks like my...
05:20:42.600
Let's get through the rest of the stuff as quickly as possible.
05:21:00.340
You said, it's so crazy when you get a boyfriend after being single for so long, four years,
05:21:06.980
all of the ex-potential creep, ex-potentials creep into your DMs once you get a new man.
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Because I know that they still gonna cheat, even if I was Megan Fox.
05:21:27.300
And that's to everyone and all the dudes like me, the girls too.
05:21:31.760
You said, these dudes are fucked and only one out of 20 I've tried on are still not married
05:21:45.200
You dated a guy who everyone had a crush on in high school when you were 30?
05:21:50.920
Oh, so you knew him in high school, but you date when you were both 30 or whatever.
05:22:02.300
Trev ended up a gangster, but I'm used to at this point.
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Do you date, like, white guys, black guys, Latinos?
05:22:20.400
And, like, up until 2020, they were all over six foot.
05:22:45.600
Okay, I'm not gonna, like, say that stuff, but...
05:22:59.120
You told him you were going to take a nap before you had to drive home when you were
05:23:14.660
...who every girl had a crush on in high school when you were trying to, like, fall asleep,
05:23:18.160
you guys were in, like, the same house or whatever, you heard him and his best bro
05:23:24.640
I heard them hooking up, and I have had sex with that guy enough to know what it sounds
05:23:35.720
I know, I wanted to get up out of, like, when I tried to leave, I wanted there to be
05:23:40.000
a chick there, like, that they were having, like, a threesome, and there wasn't.
05:23:45.660
And, um, yeah, it's, it was pretty traumatizing since then.
05:23:51.040
I've kind of just had a thing, like, that guy's gay, then, like, probably most are.
05:24:14.720
The guy who he's sleeping with is just one of his, you know, little bitches that, like,
05:24:20.240
just like all his other little bitches, too, right?
05:24:27.620
That's what I mean, is that he's so damaged by it, obviously.
05:24:35.240
You said all the men you've fallen in love with picked ratchet hoes over you.
05:24:39.480
I'm talking, like, the worst kind of women, like, that, you know, I use, and, like, that
05:24:48.580
When I say ratchet women, I say women who, um...
05:24:56.120
Yeah, like, just, like, I'm trying to sum it up in so many words, um, baby, have babies
05:25:12.560
Who, like, and it's just, yeah, it became so, like, I became tainted, and I was just gonna,
05:25:19.500
I just started treating them the same way they treated me, um, so if they were busy, I got
05:25:24.880
busy, too, you know, I had other things going on, I didn't keep it, I didn't, I kept them
05:25:31.260
on, like, ice or whatever you want to call it, like, I was, I'd answer their calls and
05:25:36.000
text them back and show up when they needed a friend, um, but I didn't put all my eggs
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in their baskets, and it took, like, a good guy to come around, um, to make me drop all
05:25:52.640
Yeah, and you know what, I'll tell you right now, and I know you're not gonna believe
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me, but I didn't, it wasn't all just sex, like, it's not, I'm not, like, a super frisky
05:25:58.800
kind of girl, like, it wasn't like that for me, like, it was just about, uh, being there
05:26:03.320
for a friend, and it wasn't, it didn't have to do with, I wanted to fuck, or I was horny,
05:26:13.420
That's what, that's what it was, though, like, ah, my friend.
05:26:18.420
He's kind of, damn, I guess I'll suck his dick.
05:26:27.060
Those are what I thought you were gonna read, like, and now it's, holy fuck.
05:26:35.640
Like, the guy's like, oh, God, ah, I guess I'll fuck her, you know?
05:26:43.820
Well, it was because when I, that sounds really bad.
05:26:46.820
When I was pregnant with my third, I wanted sex every day.
05:26:52.760
Yeah, I don't, it didn't happen with my first two.
05:26:56.280
I already feel that way now, but it was, it was insane with my third, and...
05:26:59.140
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's actually common, Brian.
05:27:01.020
Yeah, and I literally wanted him, I wanted to have sex.
05:27:04.640
And he, I know, he didn't say it was ever a pity fuck, but it was definitely, he told me,
05:27:09.180
Well, it releases, uh, releases tons of hormones.
05:27:12.460
Uh, that's why they have bizarre cravings and shit like that.
05:27:15.460
You know, and they put Jif peanut butter on Doritos and all kinds of crazy shit.
05:27:19.520
So, those, those hormones, yeah, sometimes, uh, that's the way it leans.
05:27:23.960
It was less pity and more of, I can't keep up with you, but I'm gonna give it to you anyway.
05:27:41.120
Uh, you asked, when you guys ask what our number is, referring to body count, what do
05:27:48.520
Do you mean the number of D's we F'd or F'd us?
05:27:57.120
Do you mean the number of men who have gotten me off?
05:27:59.520
Do you mean the number of guys that, uh, non-consensual?
05:28:03.960
Well, we, I, me personally, I don't, I don't, I don't think that counts if it was non.
05:28:12.440
You said pressured you into it or took advantage of you.
05:28:22.000
So, or, like, to get, like, I've been in positions, you know, with guys to be like,
05:28:27.720
give me a BJ or have sex with me or I'm going to tell your boyfriend you did anyways.
05:28:34.480
I mean, that's, uh, there's a word for that and, like, that's probably.
05:28:39.480
Yeah, so, like, my number is higher than I want, would like it to be, um, because I've
05:28:45.460
learned from all of those mistakes that I'm, but, you know, I'm not a victim.
05:28:50.480
I just put myself in shitty situations and survived, as Miss Pamela Anderson would say.
05:28:55.300
And, uh, I learned from them and I, like I said earlier, I don't enjoy, or, like, I felt
05:29:04.420
like a next guy that I was to be with, um, would have to be pretty dope for me to put
05:29:13.660
Um, wait, I actually, uh, sort of tangential to this, but, like, do you think, let's say
05:29:21.240
you're dating somebody and, like, there's maybe a differential in sex drive.
05:29:26.300
And, like, the boyfriend, there's never been, like, it's always been consensual, but, like,
05:29:32.020
the girlfriend is starting to, like, slowly withdraw.
05:29:35.280
And the boyfriend says, she really likes him, though, and she wants to stay with him.
05:29:40.000
But, like, there's a mismatch when it comes to the sex.
05:29:42.000
And the boyfriend's like, I really like you, but we're not having as much sex as I would
05:29:48.360
Would that, would you consider that, like, pressuring a girl to have, like, if he's going to
05:29:55.280
he's like, look, I'm dissatisfied with our sex life, like, if, like, I'm going to have
05:30:08.020
I guess it would be, but is it, like, do you know what I'm asking?
05:30:13.140
I think that you just have to admit that not everyone's compatible, and specifically sexually
05:30:18.040
So, I think that's more admirable than lying about it.
05:30:20.280
Like, but what if she stays with him, and she, like, ups the amount?
05:30:27.720
But she's like, that's not as much sex as she would otherwise want to have.
05:30:33.240
So, is that, like, a compromise, or is that, like, kind of getting in?
05:30:37.480
I think they should be getting into the bottom of, like, why the woman doesn't feel the need
05:30:43.300
I mean, like, maybe she's, has a really low sex drive, or she's, like, partly ace, asexual.
05:30:49.160
I mean, I've been in it where it's, like, the other way around, and I've wanted sex a lot
05:30:56.040
It sounds bad, but it can be hurtful when, like, I feel hurt when a guy doesn't want to
05:31:00.480
have sex with me, because it's like, why would you want to have sex with me?
05:31:03.400
And it's like, you know, sometimes you just have to realize that you do have different
05:31:17.180
You said, if you give sex away for free, you might as well get paid for it.
05:31:21.260
Ain't nothing worse than a broke-ass hoe, in my opinion.
05:31:35.500
If I was going to give it away for free, I would get paid for it.
05:31:38.280
But you said, ain't nothing worse than a broke-ass hoe.
05:31:52.020
But if you're going to be a hoe, you can't be broke-ass.
05:32:06.880
Okay, Danielle, you said one of your exes was a hardcore masturbator.
05:32:12.180
And he always wanted to masturbate, especially to Asian porn, huh?
05:32:17.240
When I am a thicker woman, we were together for four or five years.
05:32:21.520
You found out a year later, he still has his addiction and has a kid.
05:32:28.340
The new girl, they got separated because of his hardcore masturbation.
05:32:34.260
So would he, like, try to watch that shit with you?
05:32:39.120
I kind of found out about it because I came home and there was a laptop on his chest and
05:33:02.520
And then I was kind of like, oh, like, maybe it's a one-off type of thing.
05:33:05.680
And then I kind of noticed it was all the time.
05:33:09.040
And, like, if I came home and I wanted to know, like, I'm horny, whatever, and then
05:33:16.500
And he's just, like, one of those type of guys that, like, come once a day.
05:33:21.880
Wait, was that the only time you caught him with his...
05:33:33.580
And this is one of the reasons he actually broke up with me is because he wanted to get
05:33:37.220
And I wasn't in a position at the time to get fit because I was going to school full-time
05:33:41.220
and I was working two jobs and it was just, like, a lot.
05:33:50.680
And, um, I happen to be friends with one of his friends that, uh, unfortunately I still
05:33:57.780
hear about him and I, I have seen him over the years because we do have mutual friends
05:34:13.020
I'm just curious, like, would it have been better if, like, what if they were still skinny
05:34:23.480
And what if it was a Latina or a Native American?
05:34:30.280
Because I am a thicker girl, like, I just find because he was watching always, like,
05:34:35.900
smaller girls and the fact that he wanted to get fit and all that stuff, like, it kind
05:34:40.160
It's like, oh, like, you know, we're a couple, we can better each other type of thing or maybe
05:34:43.860
and just overall, like, the fact that it was always skinny people in the porn kind
05:34:49.860
of, like, threw me for a loop because I'm not skinny.
05:34:52.520
And if that's what he likes, then, like, why is he with me?
05:34:55.860
And so, originally, he broke up with me because, you know, he said, you know, I want to get
05:35:01.040
fit and all this stuff and I was like, okay, no problem.
05:35:03.260
And then, like, he did this huge thing where he won me back in a sense where he, you know,
05:35:08.840
He did this huge, like, gesture of, like, I'm so sorry, like, I fucked up, da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
05:35:12.920
And then, I was 20 at the time, so, like, I was young and this was my high school sweetheart
05:35:21.160
But I don't want to be one of those couples that break up and get back together a thousand
05:35:32.580
You should have thrown it back in his face and just started watching, like, big black
05:35:37.520
and just pass out and eat that shit on my laptop.
05:35:50.440
Yeah, no, but overall, we just didn't work out.
05:35:54.580
So, we left each other, yeah, and then I found out the partner he had, same thing, and never
05:36:00.660
You said that you went on a first date and the guy started talking about how his ex puts
05:36:04.440
peanut butter on her vag and lets him lick it off.
05:36:18.680
No, because it's, like, not first date material.
05:36:21.620
I think when you go on a first date, you know, you talk about yourselves, whatever.
05:36:24.140
It's, like, oh, you're bringing up their girlfriend already.
05:36:29.040
And then the fact that he, like, thought I would still kind of, like, he's, like, sends
05:36:40.400
Like, you talking about your ex and how she used to get off from her dog is, like, not
05:37:13.440
Peanut butter on her vagina and let her dog leave.
05:37:18.820
No, that's like first date material where that's why I'm not fucking talking to this
05:37:28.100
It's like I don't want to be a bigger ex-girlfriend if she's fucking into bestiality or whatever.
05:37:36.880
Carly, you said you were with a guy for five years and he cheated on you with an 18...
05:37:44.540
You said a lot of guys in Los Angeles only date models so they can say they're dating
05:37:49.260
We call them modelizers, like from Sex and the City.
05:37:54.920
But like an actual model or just a girl who like did like one or two shoots and she's
05:38:04.200
I mean, just literally anybody that like claims that they are, it's like the weirdest thing
05:38:08.980
because the second that I like, you know, broke up with my ex and whatever and started
05:38:13.140
like dating around again, that was like the first thing that anybody ever mentioned, anybody
05:38:20.300
Like that was like it for a conversation about me and like, and then I'd be like, oh, like
05:38:26.180
have you been with like other people that are models before?
05:38:31.860
And they would always be like, yeah, my ex was a model and my ex before that.
05:38:36.200
And then like people will always be like, or I've heard guys be like, I like, yeah, I only
05:38:42.180
But it's, they don't have to actually be like a real model.
05:38:47.120
So wait, you've had multiple encounters with men who say they only date models.
05:38:59.580
I think it's like mainly, I don't know, maybe just in LA.
05:39:07.200
I saw it in Sex and the City when that came out.
05:39:12.360
Like I did not think that was a thing, but apparently.
05:39:15.120
You said you maybe like long, wait, maybe like long-term relationships and knowing when
05:39:20.920
a relationship has become more of a friendship than a romantic thing and dating again after
05:39:30.900
Like you're dating a guy and you stop having sex or.
05:39:39.380
Wait, is it like you didn't want to or he didn't want to?
05:39:43.160
Like, cause after like so long and if you're with someone who's just like not, like does
05:39:49.660
not treat you well and whatever, I don't know why I still stuck with him, whatever.
05:39:54.940
But after a while it was definitely just like a friendship.
05:40:06.520
You said you have a take that a lot of younger guys, especially in fraternities are emotionally
05:40:11.580
Like they're only interested in what other men think and if they like them or not.
05:40:15.200
Yeah, low key, like low key, sometimes they, well just in the terms of like they only seem
05:40:23.740
to care about what other guys think and what, how other guys feel and how their friends are
05:40:29.700
feeling and how these guys that they're like really, really close with feel, but they'll
05:40:36.780
like date a girl, show it off to all their friends, so they'll think they're cool, but
05:40:40.060
they won't actually like give a shit about their girlfriend.
05:40:44.620
I mean, I think some, I mean, I think this is perhaps the case for both men and women,
05:40:48.480
like men, like if you're dating an attractive woman, that gives you a certain level of status
05:40:54.520
I don't think that should be the like, that's like super low, at least for me, that'd be
05:40:58.880
like kind of irrelevant or super low on the totem pole, but I'm not really public like
05:41:02.640
that with my, like if I'm dating somebody, but, um, but I almost think though, isn't
05:41:08.700
it, I feel like women are way more concerned about the judgment of other women when it
05:41:17.740
You need, you need, no, but you, maybe not even looks, but you need the co-sign from your
05:41:23.200
You still date whoever you want, even if your girlfriend kind of hates them, you still do
05:41:30.880
You said porn in social media has made men objectify women to the point of no longer being
05:41:35.000
able to actually have feelings for women, even if they're straight sexually.
05:41:40.800
Like that just kind of ties back into like the emotionally gay thing.
05:41:45.020
I just feel like a lot of times guys just like literally cannot see women as like human
05:41:52.280
And it's not necessarily like super common, but I've seen it a lot and I feel like it definitely
05:41:56.880
does happen and it's just like not talked about.
05:41:59.520
And that's why a lot of relationships might be kind of shit.
05:42:06.260
Like God, her exes just consistently were like, like that, like would only talk to his
05:42:14.000
friends, but then would come to her like when it was time to like hook up.
05:42:21.940
I mean, I mean, that's more like hookup culture, I think.
05:42:25.400
But I guess when it comes to objectification, I mean, when it comes to like porn and social
05:42:29.760
media, I think there are men who are objectifying women, but a lot of these women are just
05:42:34.480
objectifying themselves, um, sexualizing themselves.
05:42:38.300
And it's like the modeling beauty, the like modeling beauty sex industry.
05:42:43.900
These women are just, I don't know if that's what you're talking about.
05:42:47.080
No, I mean, I'm not saying it's not, I'm just saying like the whole thing is like, you know,
05:42:56.360
Well, I mean, I think like there are a lot of men have like porn brain and they've just
05:43:01.080
been like, and they follow all these like IG chicks on Instagram and they're like liking
05:43:06.500
This is a really common complaint I hear from women.
05:43:08.800
Like, oh, I don't want to date a guy who's like following all these IG girls and liking their
05:43:13.180
Like I feel, uh, uncomfortable or insecure in the relationship.
05:43:16.500
And I, I mean, but my prescriptive advice is like, as men, you shouldn't be following
05:43:26.180
I don't think like my personal approach, I don't think men should watch porn or at least
05:43:37.160
It's a lot harder to have an emotional connection with a woman when you're just constantly seeing
05:43:45.880
You got, I mean, I don't, if I'm in a relationship, I don't watch porn at all.
05:43:50.420
Um, and I, you got to save your energy for your girl.
05:44:01.840
As in they only busted not once, like in a day, I feel like you need to actually like
05:44:21.260
I feel like when you get there though, it's the barrel orgasm.
05:44:30.980
Um, when's the last time, honestly, I can't believe I'm going to answer this fucking question.
05:44:38.040
Um, when's the last time I've had three orgasms in a day?
05:45:11.080
If possible, she's going to come multiple times.
05:45:13.440
But, I'm not trying to have like sex ten times in the night.
05:45:23.500
She, she has to do my, there's time for her to do my laundry and bow and cook dinner.
05:45:39.940
But it's like, how about the other like 12 hours I'm spending with you?
05:45:44.280
Like, you have to make yourself more appealing than just having a pussy.
05:46:21.800
To move on, I did have a quick question as I was thinking about this.
05:46:27.320
So, Lily, kind of back to this other thing we were talking about.
05:46:35.720
If I said, if my daughter came to me and she was like,
05:46:40.640
Dad, I want to fuck a thousand dudes in a day to set a record.
05:46:47.340
And I was like, well, honey, that's against my moral values.
05:46:50.500
And if you do that, I'm going to have to distance myself from you
05:46:56.460
Would your response actually be, why don't you love me, Daddy?
05:47:07.460
When I say it out loud, it actually sounds even worse.
05:47:12.460
So, your daughter comes to you, you're a man, and says,
05:47:24.800
There is nothing morally wrong with fucking a thousand guys in a day.
05:47:28.680
He says, this is completely against my moral code.
05:47:36.900
Really, you think that that's him not loving you?
05:47:42.020
For me, personally, if I was a parent and my child wanted to do sex work,
05:47:53.700
I want to, you know, make sure they get all the information.
05:47:58.300
I don't just want to abandon them and unlove them.
05:48:04.900
Yeah, I want to fuck one thousand men in a single day.
05:48:15.720
If you do, I've got to turn my back and tell you at least stop this behavior.
05:48:27.600
I firmly believe that as a parent that, like, you should always love
05:48:31.440
and stick by your child, whatever they go through and whatever they do.
05:48:41.780
But I haven't actually heard your disagreement.
05:48:47.020
I don't want to keep arguing with you because I know what I believe in.
05:48:51.600
The thing is, I don't really care to keep arguing with you
05:48:57.600
There's tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands,
05:49:00.320
perhaps millions who watch the clips of the exchange here
05:49:07.700
The answer to, but, Dad, you just don't love me
05:49:11.280
because he turned his back if you fucked 1,000 men in a day.
05:49:20.740
Do you actually stand behind the fact that that's him not loving you?
05:49:26.720
I think you should stand by your child whatever they do.
05:49:37.800
Let's see if there's anything more here with, Carly, your notes.
05:49:49.820
But I feel like this is a pretty common standard for women
05:50:00.120
I think most women would prefer if their boyfriend wasn't watching porn.
05:50:06.260
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that is pretty standard.
05:50:11.080
You said that you have a take that higher body count on a guy-girl
05:50:14.800
actually makes for better long-term relationship material.
05:50:27.020
Because, I mean, I feel like, well, as long as it's like, you know,
05:50:32.080
Yeah, but why does it make for a better long-term relationship?
05:50:34.720
Because, A, they've had experience, they've been around,
05:50:41.080
they know what kind of people they get along with,
05:50:43.160
they know what kind of people they don't, blah, blah, blah.
05:50:45.820
And so then, like, if they're wanting to get into, like,
05:50:48.160
an actual relationship with you and, like, genuinely just stick to you,
05:50:53.080
They're more likely to stick it out in a relationship?
05:50:56.360
Well, I mean, there is, like, the sexual compatibility component,
05:50:59.720
but, like, when it comes to knowing what you like in terms of a person,
05:51:04.720
I don't know if you necessarily need to have sex
05:51:08.080
to be able to make determinations as to, like, personality assessments.
05:51:13.560
Like, I definitely agree that you don't have to, you know,
05:51:16.300
have, like, a high body count to be a good partner.
05:51:19.560
I just think that, you know, there's a lot of stigma around that,
05:51:22.880
and a lot of people are like, oh, that's gross.
05:51:24.720
So do you think body count, like, should not matter?
05:51:31.180
Like, but other people have, like, their own opinions and their own takes.
05:51:36.040
And do you think men who do care about body count,
05:51:38.640
do you think that they're insecure for caring about it?
05:51:45.240
I think it's mainly, like, if they keep bringing it up
05:51:49.460
and they, like, compare themselves and they, like, just, you know,
05:51:54.020
it's, like, a little thing, like, an issue that you can't get rid of.
05:51:58.960
Going around the table, do you think body count matters?
05:52:01.960
And do you think men who do care about body count,
05:52:04.960
who maybe would disqualify a woman if she had a high body count,
05:52:10.900
do you think that would be him being insecure, starting with you, Ayla?
05:52:18.620
but also I strongly defend the right of people to be insecure.
05:52:31.640
I'm more interested in, like, why a person's having sex or a lot of sex.
05:52:36.120
Um, because you can, I think you can do the same thing with different intentions.
05:52:42.940
I think everyone has the right to their preferences.
05:52:44.860
So if someone doesn't like a high body count, that's totally fine.
05:52:47.900
But I do think that there tends to be a link to some insecurity with that.
05:52:52.460
But again, if you link it to, like, just, like, bad behavior and decision-making in general,
05:52:55.960
and then you see a pattern that's, like, not just isolated to sexual encounters,
05:53:06.180
but more in the way of it makes you a better partner in bed.
05:53:10.100
Like, you would want boxing lessons off the guy who's had a thousand fights versus the
05:53:19.760
Wouldn't, wouldn't you want, though, in a boxing match to box the guy who has no boxing experience?
05:53:30.620
I know, I know, but I was just changing the analogy a little bit.
05:53:33.200
But, okay, so, body count to you doesn't matter?
05:53:36.760
As in, I think it does matter because I think it makes you a better partner in bed.
05:53:45.340
I think that patterns matter, which just kind of speaks to what she was saying.
05:53:49.480
So, if someone's, like, almost like you see a sex addiction pattern where it's, like,
05:53:53.880
they're just every other night finding a new person to fuck.
05:53:56.160
That type of pattern matters to me much more than the body count.
05:54:00.320
Okay, and are men who do care or would disqualify a woman based solely on her body count?
05:54:09.220
I think, again, there's some preference there, though, too.
05:54:11.420
I think it's hard to analyze everybody's brain.
05:54:13.260
Sure, Carly, well, I think you gave your take, right?
05:54:16.820
I think it's all circumstantial and individual.
05:54:23.180
I don't think that you paint everybody with one brush.
05:54:31.180
I don't judge people for their high body counts, though.
05:54:33.660
Do you think a man would be insecure if he cared about a woman's body count,
05:54:40.500
then I don't think you should care about her body count.
05:55:25.160
because it conveys what sort of, quote-unquote, experience you have.
05:55:30.600
I don't necessarily think it's insecure for a person to care about it.
05:55:34.580
I think if they care about it, they might have their own reasons.
05:55:41.800
Well, so some of you said body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.
05:55:49.740
What's your body count starting with our good friend, Lily?
05:56:04.420
Because last time, well, it still didn't count last time.
05:56:17.060
Ayla, and then we'll go around this way, starting with you.
05:56:30.480
Well, I have a CRM, but I haven't updated in a bit.
05:56:33.600
So probably around 450, I think, clients I've had.
05:56:56.460
So roughly the total should be low 500s, maybe 550.
05:57:11.300
Because someone pulled up my, I guess there's an explicit version of IMDb, basically.
05:57:17.720
And it says all of your scenes, but it includes solos.
05:57:26.720
So when I first started working, I would work with like 12 guys and that was it.
05:57:38.740
Well, no, I started with 12 and then towards the end of my career, I added a couple because
05:57:43.040
I was working in the UK a lot and they're different performers, but it's not, it's not
05:57:58.480
Mine's actually eight because I was in a long term relationship.
05:58:04.020
Eight because you were in a long term relationship.
05:58:17.240
I'll tell you the amount of men that I've wanted to have sex with that I had sex with
05:58:22.300
and it's probably about six or seven that I was like, this guy is somebody I want to
05:58:31.580
Wait, didn't you say something about body count or like you're like asking like, how
05:58:54.540
Yeah, it was just like, it wasn't like that I, it's like that I let or that I felt sorry
05:58:59.040
for, like, you know, I don't want to count those guys because it wasn't something.
05:59:04.940
But if you, if you did count those people, you did actually consent to.
05:59:46.380
But if you, if you included everybody you consented to.
05:59:59.780
I think that's a fine line on that consent thing because, um, I don't want to claim that
06:00:08.920
like I was our S8 or anything like that because I put myself in those positions.
06:00:14.160
Um, but I don't think that they warrant one of my numbers.
06:00:24.520
I, to me, consent is like, I'm horny and do that to me right now.
06:00:31.840
Yeah, but like a pity fuck is consent for sure.
06:00:35.680
Wouldn't you agree at least like pity, a pity fuck is definitely consent?
06:00:42.840
Um, what if I like didn't, like, if I regretted it after.
06:00:55.000
So when it comes to regret, for instance, there's many, many cases I can cite of women
06:01:01.460
who regretted sleeping with a man the next day and then called an S8 and then when it
06:01:05.900
was investigated, it was clearly, hang on, it was clearly not the case.
06:01:09.900
What I'm asking is what the count is that you actually consented to that was not S8.
06:01:17.420
I don't think that you're understanding my position when I'm letting you know that like, I don't want to call it S8 because I put myself there, but I didn't go there with the intention that I wanted to do that.
06:01:43.500
But like, it had happened because, you know, out of just like not leaving me alone until it happened or like, you know, all kinds of different scenarios.
06:01:58.320
And I learned from each one of them and I felt every time I got, I walked away from those, I felt like shit and I didn't feel good about myself.
06:02:09.780
And so I didn't put myself in those positions anymore.
06:02:12.040
It kind of took me a little bit of a while to figure it out.
06:02:15.020
Yeah, there's this one time where I was in the middle, it was in Helldivers 2.
06:02:19.700
I was in the middle of this bug hunt and we were just destroying everything.
06:02:23.700
My wife came over and she's like, let's go to the bedroom.
06:02:26.720
And I was like, no, I'm in the middle of Helldivers 2 and I'm just destroying everything.
06:02:31.220
And she was like, no, we got to go to the bedroom.
06:02:38.820
I couldn't believe it that this had happened, right?
06:02:46.100
So the thing is, is like, I'm not asking about your fucking regret because I don't give a shit about your regret.
06:02:50.120
I'm asking if it was not S8, what's the actual body count?
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I've only ever been in long-term relationships, but that's between me and God.
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I can be confident that I'm the best lay out of a thousand and still not want to date your nasty bunnies.
06:03:41.820
John, you know, guys, W's in the chat for John for the big $200 super chat.
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Why are we interviewing girls rejected from the bunny ranch?
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Has anybody here been rejected from the bunny ranch?
06:04:11.940
Then we're going to try to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.
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I think we got, okay, we're just going to do Candice's notes, and that's pretty much it.
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It starts by describing you as buxom and shapely.
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5'3 brunette knockout of mixed Spanish and Japanese descent.
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I think it's like kind of, it's like an energy thing, right?
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Of a woman, plump, especially with large breasts.
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You said that you see, we'll save that for later.
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And was this like based off of other people's data?
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No, I mean, you can probably Google it and like see what studies will pop up.
06:05:41.440
But it's referenced a lot in a lot of like evolutionary psychology or like professional
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He does all of the rotations, but it was one of his podcasts that he was going through
06:05:57.980
Do you know the date of the, because I've heard the five number since like the 90s.
06:06:03.200
No, I mean, they were, I don't know when the research was conducted.
06:06:08.640
Like, and then I was wondering if people were being honest with self-reporting.
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And then that's why I asked Ayla earlier today, I was like, do you believe that it's
06:06:16.960
But I think it's also skewed because when you go online, everything that generates the
06:06:21.000
most views and gets the most, um, like it pops up on the most algorithms, algorithms,
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yeah, the algorithms is, um, like the more salacious takes.
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So we think that being promiscuous is more common than it actually is.
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I, I've seen some other studies that put it a little bit higher, like seven, eight.
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And then I also do wonder like, what is the age cohort of the people that they're looking
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Cause I wonder if you're like pulling from like an, like your, your, uh, surveying,
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like part of the survey includes like 70 and 80 year olds.
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I don't know like how material that would be to like sort of the modern dating landscape.
06:07:03.400
I think like 18 to 40 is 18 to 18 to a big gap.
06:07:08.540
And there's a lot of differences between like, you know, Gen Z, millennials, it is, but like
06:07:13.700
18 to 35 is like, I, the cohort of people that are like more likely to be single that
06:07:20.700
you're more likely to encounter, uh, when you're dating.
06:07:23.760
But, um, I have the data on this at least, I mean, it's a relatively liberal population,
06:07:27.940
so it's probably slightly inflated, but it raises at least the median.
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I mean, if you, depending on if you want the median average raises to around 10, um, when
06:07:39.620
So my guess is it's slightly inflated, but not significantly.
06:07:41.680
I'm just wondering if they're like, including the 60 and 70 year olds.
06:07:46.860
So the, the, the graph goes like this and it slowly evens out at 40 with a very slight
06:07:52.120
So like 50, 60 year olds in my data were closer to like, maybe I think it was like 15 people
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So median is like when you split the population half and half and then average outliers can
06:08:04.440
The average body count for older people in my data set specifically, which again is liberal,
06:08:09.360
uh, was around like, I think a mid low twenties, 20 something.
06:08:12.780
Um, and when you say older people, like 40 to 50, like people in their fifties and sixties,
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And do you like, if we're looking at projections, do you think like people are 20 now?
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Do you think that that'll be their body counts when they're 50?
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It's possible that like different generational pressures will cause different body counts.
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Like a lot of women, like majority of people go to college.
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And well, there's more, there's even more women who go to college, but like, I remember
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when I was in college and this was before the dating apps.
06:09:01.460
Granted, I, Sam Barber's a bit of a party anyways.
06:09:05.360
Maybe I'm biased a little bit here, but, um, the one, the shit I saw anecdotes.
06:09:10.460
And then just like, if a woman has a five body count in her first freshman fall quarter
06:09:20.680
Like, I mean, not really, but like, that's kind of like, it's kind of relatively, it's
06:09:32.780
Like, like the, cause I mean, my own experience is like going out a lot of these girls Thursday,
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Friday, Saturday night, they're in college, they're drinking, partying, doing drugs.
06:09:42.940
And like, I think actually there's some studies that indicate that, uh, like Gen Z, they're
06:09:50.420
Um, I think there's probably a bunch of reasons for that.
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But like when I was in college, like it was super, super common.
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Like you were an outlier if you weren't like partying in college, uh, partying, drinking
06:10:00.900
Right now it seems anyways, with Gen Z, it's a little bit shifting, a little different,
06:10:05.120
but like these girls would go out and sleep with a new guy maybe once a week.
06:10:10.960
Sometimes they do like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, maybe one, two, three guys in a weekend.
06:10:17.720
So for a girl to just like have a, like you say the average is five, I'm thinking back
06:10:25.040
They do 10 or 20 their fresh, like their freshman year.
06:10:31.680
It's just the person that was, I'm bringing up the study and I don't know if you can find
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it or not, or like at least that podcast host that was, um, saying the statistic, it
06:10:44.200
I mean, were those people going and partying religious?
06:10:46.980
Like my guess is you like fell into a certain section of people that were likely to party.
06:10:54.140
When you say a good portion of the U S is very religious, what do we mean by very religious?
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Do we mean that they self-identify as being religious or do we mean that they're actually
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I think we could check maybe church attendance as a proxy.
06:11:08.680
I agree that there are a lot of lukewarm Christians.
06:11:15.320
I understand the argument, but even if you are just self IDing and not walking the walk
06:11:20.700
quite as hard, still being in a culture that like really has pressures against it.
06:11:24.820
I think it's still going to bring the body count down.
06:11:28.740
So atheists are in the same culture as the self ID Christians.
06:11:32.380
And if the self ID Christians aren't doing church attendance or any of the Christian things,
06:11:36.140
then how are they not just in the same culture that the atheists are in?
06:11:39.580
I agree, but I think a good portion of the U.S. does go to church pretty regularly, which
06:11:45.360
No, the portion of the U.S. doesn't go to the church or go to churches regularly.
06:11:51.660
That's the vast majority of the self ID Christians.
06:11:56.640
The ones who are more rigorous have completely different stats, right?
06:11:59.380
So the ones who are more rigorous, they're going to have different stats when it comes
06:12:03.820
You're going to have different stats when it comes to STDs.
06:12:05.760
You're going to have different stats for all these things.
06:12:07.420
So it does seem that the more rigorous that you're practicing the religion, the more that
06:12:15.180
So that's why I want to clarify whether we're just talking about self ID or actual rigorism,
06:12:20.240
because then the numbers greatly change, don't they?
06:12:28.360
So I'm not willing to say then that the vast majority are religious, like you're saying
06:12:34.700
I think that that is almost straw manning your own position.
06:12:37.120
I don't think I said vast majority, but we can just check the data.
06:12:46.260
I think there are a good chunk of the, we can just check, we can Google it.
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And if it's like, oh, it's 30%, I'll be like, sure.
06:12:58.340
Pew Research actually dove into this and looked at the rigorism versus the non-rigorism when
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And we can see that the more rigorous you are, the more that these things actually apply
06:13:10.060
The only reason I'm being hyper specific here, because I know you love that, is also because
06:13:15.020
I want to make sure that when you're giving out this data, when you say to Brian, well,
06:13:19.920
most people are, are, are religious or most, well, I'm not sure.
06:13:23.880
We got to be careful with that language, right?
06:13:28.480
I'm not giving my own stats for most people are religious.
06:13:30.820
I just thought there's a bunch of people in the U.S. who are in religious culture and
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we're just generally not seeing them when we go to party colleges.
06:13:36.800
If you're partying in a college and people are going out drinking, you're probably not seeing
06:13:40.120
good God-fearing Christians who are going to church.
06:13:44.960
Well, maybe they used to party, but now they're Christian.
06:13:52.280
Sorry, I'm trying to do it in Andrew's voice, but.
06:13:56.760
So my, my best like Protestant version is like, so I do miss the Protestant fire and brimstone
06:14:03.420
The, yo, gonna go straight to hell, you harlot.
06:14:07.120
Like those guys, I thought that they were kind of based.
06:14:09.960
Uh, but now it's become, uh, kind of this much broader, what I would, would commonly
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And the idea here is, I think that what has occurred is that because Christianity is designed
06:14:30.920
The idea that no matter how badly you've sinned, that Jesus Christ is still there for you.
06:14:37.240
However, there are a huge amount of women who try to utilize Christianity to buy a new
06:14:45.580
They think that because they have been saved, now their reputation has also been saved.
06:14:55.060
So imagine, for instance, uh, if a priest was a PDF, which that happens, right?
06:15:03.580
Um, we, we don't salvage their reputation because they're also priests.
06:15:07.980
Instead, they get, still get burdened with the reputation.
06:15:10.860
In fact, even more so because they're a priest.
06:15:14.020
And yet for some reason, when it comes to prostitutes with thousands of men in the body count who
06:15:19.020
suddenly are part of the women's liberation Christianity, suddenly they say, well, wait
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a second, you can't judge what I've done in this and that, or nor my authority towards
06:15:30.440
any biblical, anything, because I bought a new reputation with my religion.
06:16:22.140
Candice, sweet Candice, you're looking as beautiful as ever.
06:16:43.460
Have you ever, like, worked with somebody and then there's, like, something, like, in their eyes that just clicks and you're, like, this motherfucker masturbates.
06:16:54.400
You're, like, this guy watched my stuff, you know?
06:17:01.220
Like, personal life or even, like, in business or something.
06:17:03.800
And then they kind of, like, do a double take and they're, like, wait, oh.
06:17:08.180
Yeah, every guy I've been with has seen it before.
06:17:11.640
Every guy you've been, like, has, you've dated or?
06:17:15.300
Well, not dated because my first boyfriend was before I got into the industry.
06:17:21.240
But, like, guys that were, like, either part of, like, the open or, like, whatever.
06:17:28.820
I guess you had another thing here on body count.
06:17:41.440
So, I mean, girls would probably get five over the weekend.
06:17:46.340
I'm like, you aren't being, the sorority girls?
06:17:49.560
Well, the crazy thing is the sorority girls tell the frat guys that they're virgins, but
06:17:56.260
So, I think that's probably what's happening with a lot of those polls.
06:17:59.600
I do think people, even if, even, I think, with anonymous polls, I think people, like,
06:18:08.860
But, body count, you said, what are you trying to gain from that question?
06:18:15.480
But, I think you can get a good amount of info from the body count.
06:18:21.120
I think superficially, sure, but I think that there are more important questions to ask
06:18:25.280
if you're trying to date someone or if you're trying to figure out if that's a good match
06:18:28.820
So, again, there, there can be, and coming from the industry, I was in there for plenty
06:18:33.720
of years, I've seen women that go in and they treat it like a business and they're making
06:18:38.700
decisions, like, in alignment with whatever their values are or goals are, and then I've
06:18:43.540
seen train wrecks go in and they're, like, very much there because of, like, a survival
06:18:49.620
So, I'm more curious as to, like, why you're doing that action and to, like, dive deeper
06:18:53.640
into the behavior instead of just looking at the behavior and saying that that is, that's
06:18:58.240
indicative of, like, this personality trait across the board.
06:19:01.140
And it might be true, like, there might be certain truths that are, that are linked to
06:19:05.400
that, absolutely, I'm not denying that, but I'm just saying if you're going to investigate
06:19:08.840
someone as a partner or a life partner, there's deeper questions that you have to be asking.
06:19:12.940
Like, are they in therapy, what psychoactive medications do they take?
06:19:19.200
Well, that, yeah, those, that, those are important, absolutely.
06:19:21.360
I've had people, um, not romantic relationships, but, like, employees lie about, like, mental
06:19:26.460
health stuff or, like, they're not on medications and, I mean, I know HIPAA and all of that, but
06:19:33.840
You did also indicate, I think this is the last thing on body count, um, you said there
06:19:38.420
was no correlation to faithfulness and fidelity when it came to body count.
06:19:43.380
Uh, I mean, I did want to challenge you a little bit on this.
06:19:45.880
There's a bunch of, at least from what I've seen, there's a bunch of studies that seem
06:19:49.460
to indicate that it is, there is a correlation.
06:19:55.320
I was giving it to someone who's much smarter than me that can actually read stats.
06:19:58.860
And I sent it to him and I was like, um, can you like, tell me, cause this goes against
06:20:03.820
the argument or the conversation that we were having the other day.
06:20:06.100
And he said it, um, there's a really high delta.
06:20:14.240
Like there was an issue with the delta in those research papers.
06:20:18.760
I'm not a statistician or a researcher or a journalist as we established earlier in the
06:20:24.820
So any, any update by the way, any, any, Oh, hang on here.
06:20:34.320
If you don't know what your issue with the stats is?
06:20:36.560
No, I'm saying the first, the sample size was my issue is that it was like a really small
06:20:41.800
Well, if it's super small and you can't apply it to the masses, right?
06:20:45.440
Well, it depends on what we're trying to study.
06:20:48.260
And anything, if you take 20 people, you can't say, well, these 20 people did this one thing.
06:20:53.640
So then that's, um, indicative of anyone that commits that behavior.
06:21:01.040
You could take, you could take 20 as a sample size and have it be representative of something.
06:21:05.780
But in this case, are you saying that the sample size, hang on, in this case, why are
06:21:17.800
When you, when you get into the details, the details, like the, the gal who's next to you,
06:21:22.380
She's actually going to literally agree with everything I just said.
06:21:30.780
You can't have sample size, which are small, but are, they do have some kind of, you know,
06:21:41.440
In this case, you just saying, well, the sample size from my view was small doesn't actually
06:21:52.380
It indicates the level of confidence we can draw from the thing.
06:21:55.300
Yeah, but what is, okay, well, then what is small?
06:21:59.280
Well, you can, you can do a calculation on the level of confidence.
06:22:03.720
She says it's small, but won't give you the number.
06:22:04.900
I would say for me, anything under a thousand, I would consider a small sample size.
06:22:08.500
Like if I were to pull one person at this table and say, um.
06:22:11.860
And are you saying that these studies have less than a thousand?
06:22:16.880
Well, no, because I mean, the, the rules aren't being applied evenly.
06:22:19.680
So it's like, I can't interject at all, but then I keep getting interrupted.
06:22:24.760
No, because that you're like, no, no, no, let me finish, let me finish.
06:22:33.340
The reason that I interject very quickly is just for quick clarification.
06:22:37.200
But when I do it, it's not allowed for quick clarification.
06:22:41.220
And that is one of my critiques about the show, right?
06:22:43.360
It's just like, there's, I'm all for debate and like having ideas proven wrong, but there's
06:22:47.660
a way to do it that's like out of curiosity and in good faith and doing it in respect.
06:22:52.240
And then there's like a way that you can do it with tone and intent that is like, it's
06:22:56.460
Well, there's, there's literally eight people on the panel.
06:23:04.160
I thought we were just like going over topics and then like you popped in and then we are going
06:23:09.060
If you're saying that there's not a too small for a sample size, do you think that I can
06:23:14.120
go ask one person a question and okay, so what would, what would not be like, what would
06:23:20.360
It's going to depend on what it is that we're studying, why and what the control factors
06:23:25.460
Oh, I'm saying controls, but like, I'm not sure that you understand how controls work.
06:23:32.100
Like controls are important for certain types of things that you're studying.
06:23:37.720
No, you, you, this is like, there's no science is not possible.
06:23:44.580
You don't need controls for all things that you study.
06:23:50.240
Listen, listen, no, you, yes, I have dove into your studies, which is how I knew that
06:23:54.780
teenagers were over sampled in all of them and they're all bullshit.
06:23:58.720
That aside, hang on, that aside, can you tell me how you can have science absent controls,
06:24:03.800
You can absolutely have science absent controls.
06:24:07.020
Like for example, for example, science is testing a hypothesis, right?
06:24:10.960
And like, let's say I have a hypothesis here that like maybe the people who looked worse
06:24:15.120
when they were made into old people actually have higher body counts.
06:24:17.760
Um, how would you propose we have a control for this, this hypothesis?
06:24:26.820
That the people who looked worse when they were aged up have higher body counts.
06:24:34.940
Yeah, so what, what would you suggest being a control?
06:24:39.200
Because that's the next part of the scientific method, right?
06:24:42.620
Okay, so how can you have a test absent a control?
06:24:48.360
I'd like to know how you would propose that we control for this.
06:24:51.720
I'm asking how it could even be done absent a control.
06:24:54.260
The way that I would test this hypothesis is I would ask people to like, for example,
06:24:58.760
I would figure out how bad we look in the things, maybe assign a rating so we can have a number.
06:25:05.780
Okay, do we just have like very different meanings of the word?
06:25:09.000
No, we don't have very different meanings of the word control.
06:25:11.280
Assigning a number to a way of Facebook's is not a control.
06:25:15.800
A control is, let's say I give a medication to a type, a group of people because I want
06:25:20.820
I also measure the group of people that have not received that medication as a control to
06:25:26.180
see if there's a difference between the populations.
06:25:28.160
So in sociology, you're saying there's no controls?
06:25:31.940
I'm saying I'm giving you, listen to me, listen to me talk for a second.
06:25:36.820
What I am saying, what I'm saying is that there are some types of hypotheses for which
06:25:46.000
For example, I'm checking to see if there's a correlation in this group between the apparent
06:25:53.600
And I would do this by looking at the number assigned to the age, and I would look at the
06:26:00.060
And what you've done is you've created a control ruling other things out.
06:26:04.740
A control is taking another group and then checking to see if your intervention had an
06:26:12.940
The other thing you talked about is another type of control.
06:26:17.420
All the scientific, yeah, all the scientific control is doing.
06:26:21.880
All the scientific control is doing is controlling for a variable.
06:26:25.220
The very first thing that you gave me was a variable control, you fucking dummy.
06:26:34.860
The very first thing you gave me was a fucking variable control.
06:26:38.200
The very first thing you said was a variable control.
06:26:41.240
So what you're saying is that if we are testing the correlation between two...
06:26:51.200
I can't even believe that you just said that, but go ahead.
06:26:57.120
Do you feel like you're having a fun time dominating?
06:27:01.040
Because I really think that maybe you don't know how science works.
06:27:04.080
How does my mental state help you explain what a fucking scientific control is?
06:27:08.580
When the first thing you said was a scientific control ruling out X thing, that's a control.
06:27:14.040
No, a control is when you make sure that you're testing a group to make sure that it is not being affected by your intervention.
06:27:22.060
Okay, or you can test two variables to see if there's a correlation.
06:27:26.120
Yeah, that would be the very first control that you gave us.
06:27:29.580
I have never in my life heard the word control used to refer to one of the variables which would do.
06:27:35.920
I am willing to say I was wrong if it turns out that standard science...
06:27:39.120
That's literally what you're setting parameters for an experiment.
06:27:41.920
Everything that you're setting which would rule X variable out would be a control.
06:27:45.960
Okay, what do you mean everything that I'm saying would rule X variable out?
06:27:50.720
Like what am I saying would rule X variable out?
06:27:52.780
Okay, so if we want a control for this, like, okay, my hypothesis is that there's flint which makes this flame happen, right?
06:28:04.800
I can add a hundred different variances of controls to this, can't I?
06:28:08.760
I can take the flint out, for instance, or possibly I can add multiple flints, or I could say, well, we're not going to do that at all.
06:28:19.580
All of those things would be controls in the experiment for how this flint made this lighter work.
06:28:24.260
You're talking about statistics when it comes to studies.
06:28:28.000
The very first thing you say is, the way that I would do this is I would divide X by Y.
06:28:32.600
You're introducing a control which rules other things out.
06:28:35.580
You're trying to narrow the process to affirm the...
06:28:38.840
You're trying to narrow the process to affirm the hypothesis.
06:28:42.200
Yeah, I understand attempting to rule things out.
06:28:45.260
You can't even do experiments without controls.
06:28:47.940
I think you're coming from an extremely different type of science than I am, or else you don't understand how the science that I'm doing works.
06:29:00.540
Tell me how we can have science absent a control for an experiment.
06:29:07.340
The experiment by itself is literally inferring that there's controls, or we couldn't have an experiment.
06:29:13.900
Okay, let's think of a slightly simpler example.
06:29:17.940
Let's say I want to see if there's a correlation between height and weight in a population.
06:29:36.220
Just so that I know how you're thinking about this.
06:29:40.700
I know that it is like, you like to put me on the defensive by asking a lot of questions,
06:29:45.800
and then you won't answer questions because that would put you on the defensive.
06:29:55.440
Do we have a whole bunch of people, and we're trying to see?
06:29:58.000
Like, literally, what would the relevancy be, regardless of how I answered, right, to whether
06:30:07.460
I'm just curious how you would test to see if there's a correlation between height and
06:30:23.680
If you would like to call one of the axes a control, we can put that word on that,
06:31:03.260
It would be something that could be loosely or vaguely or non-vaguely associated with some
06:31:12.220
It helps tell you how much you can predict one variable by knowledge of the other variable.
06:31:16.980
So, for example, if we want to check the correlation between height and weight.
06:31:32.320
Controls are relevant for certain types of questions.
06:31:39.460
But I'm asking specifically about controls right now.
06:31:40.800
And if you say, okay, I have a graph and it divides it in half and it's putting this
06:31:50.420
I don't know what your experiment is going to be.
06:31:57.120
And then we plot everybody's height and weight along it.
06:31:59.360
So, like one axis is height and the other axis is weight.
06:32:01.820
And you have a whole bunch of dots on this graph.
06:32:03.840
What you can do is you can run, like, basically do a calculation that shows you a trend line
06:32:07.620
to see if, like, the dots slowly kind of increase with the Y axis, the more you get, the higher
06:32:13.980
And then you do a calculation of the square root of the, all of the points from the trend
06:32:19.160
And then basically from that you get what's called the R, the R value.
06:32:23.440
And this is how, like, far away different points are from being tightly correlated.
06:32:35.060
So, experimental control refers to a group or element within the scientific experiment
06:32:39.940
that remains unchanged or serves as a baseline comparison or divider from the experimental
06:32:53.340
So, you want something that's unchanged from the group.
06:32:56.420
So, for example, if I'm giving you medication, then this means that I am introducing some sort
06:33:03.320
And so, I have a control to check the difference between those groups.
06:33:08.220
And I think this is great and fantastic and very important in science.
06:33:12.020
And I think you are correct to be going, why are there not controls?
06:33:16.440
However, this is a different concept from the...
06:33:21.520
And you haven't actually given me a way in which we can conduct an experiment absent controls.
06:33:27.760
Uh, well, I'm describing how we can find the correlation between height and weight.
06:33:32.600
Yeah, I'm not asking about how you can describe correlates.
06:33:37.040
I'm asking, how can we run an experiment which refers to a group or element within a scientific
06:33:44.460
experiment that remains either unchanged, serves as a baseline for comparison, or divides
06:33:55.260
How would you do it if we're trying to test height and weight?
06:33:59.020
We don't because this is not how science works.
06:34:07.320
You guys can, like, wrap it up, but if this is going to go on another 20 minutes, I have
06:34:13.920
If you can, like, wrap it up quickly, we can, like, continue a little bit because...
06:34:20.380
What I said was science is only as good as its controls.
06:34:26.540
This is very important to the scientific process.
06:34:28.840
Really, experiments are really only as good as their controls.
06:34:31.960
She says, though, you can have experiments absent controls, but actually didn't give us
06:34:38.640
Just literally gave us experiments where she starts with a baseline of having controls
06:34:46.800
I'm not sure how you can even conduct an experiment absent controls.
06:34:50.940
I think it's even inferred in experiment that you are controlling XYZ based on what this
06:34:59.440
But back to this, back to what we were originally talking about, you just saying sample size
06:35:12.340
It's a referent to, like, a mind state of, you know, like, is this cell phone small?
06:35:20.140
I have no fucking idea what small means here, because it's not a scientific referent.
06:35:24.880
A scientific referent would be anything under X would not be appropriate due to, you know,
06:35:34.060
Is there, like, a preferred amount of people for a survey, though, for research that scientists
06:35:40.920
Is there, like, a golden number that people try to get to, or at least a minimum?
06:35:46.820
I'm sure that something would apply to, across the board, like, a goal.
06:35:50.800
Maybe they don't hit it every time, but is there typically, like, a golden number?
06:36:06.080
So I'm saying that I'm sure that there probably is a minimum that scientists would like to get
06:36:12.120
It depends on what it is that we're studying, and what it is, what, it depends on what it
06:36:20.180
Like, this, listen, I know how this sounds, but it actually does matter.
06:36:24.000
Depends on what we're studying for what a sample size would be appropriate to what
06:36:28.540
Like, for instance, one or two hundred people may be fine for, like, transgender people,
06:36:35.080
There's so few that could be a good representation of a sample size.
06:36:41.220
By the way, Chair, when I can see you already autistically gerping, I said it could be.
06:36:45.680
I'm just giving you the idea that some groups may have very narrow windows, and so smaller
06:36:55.580
I agree with you, but not for the reasons you stated.
06:36:57.560
Okay, you're just going to, so here's the thing.
06:37:02.720
I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and just say, give me the reasons.
06:37:06.180
They're literally going to be the reasons I just stated, though.
06:37:09.740
So just to make sure I understood you right, you're claiming that the reasons that a small
06:37:13.800
sample size can be fine is, like, possibly you're measuring a very small population.
06:37:20.920
An incorrect steel man, so the steel man would be small as subjective.
06:37:24.240
No, when you say small, that's a subjective metric.
06:37:32.440
Like, for the prostitutes, what's a small dick?
06:37:35.920
I don't know that's going to be completely subjective as to what you think that is.
06:37:42.560
It's not scientifically, small is not scientific.
06:37:46.500
It's some made-up shit in your head to give a reference to something which is not as big
06:37:51.200
as another thing, but it doesn't tell me anything.
06:37:54.240
So when I say small, I'm trying to give a reference to her worldview.
06:38:04.520
Well, I'll say how I agree with you, and I agree with you.
06:38:11.700
A scientific control is a part of the scientific method that involves using a standard for comparison
06:38:17.340
to minimize the effect of variables other than the independent variable.
06:38:24.400
I don't know how an experiment can be done, which is part of the scientific method.
06:38:27.420
Absent of control, she said she did, never could give us one.
06:38:33.800
I could keep talking about statistics all night.
06:38:40.320
Well, look, I mean, I proposed, I did propose earlier, if you wanted to do a 1v1 conversation.
06:39:05.120
I'm trying to lighten the mood, trying to lighten the mood.
06:39:12.740
Anyway, so, look, I'll just tie it off here very quickly, right?
06:39:17.460
I understand you don't want to do a debate on this stuff.
06:39:23.160
But the point is, is, like, you really haven't actually demonstrated how you can run an experiment.
06:39:30.040
Like, I do want to actually know if that's even possible to do.
06:39:35.700
Just the experiment itself, the word infers control.
06:39:39.280
Definitely a huge subset of science involves that.
06:39:43.580
But can you give me an experiment that doesn't have control?
06:39:46.860
So, we have a question of whether or not height correlates with weight.
06:39:58.780
The experiment is we're going to ask a whole bunch of people their height and weight.
06:40:05.320
And then we're going to see if there is a relationship between those things.
06:40:08.140
Are we going to ask people about what color their dog's fur is?
06:40:13.580
Are we going to ask them what color their dog's fur is?
06:40:23.780
That was very kind of you to go ahead and demonstrate my point for me.
06:40:26.880
I hadn't really directly experienced in person people being extremely overconfident about statistics.
06:40:37.300
Talking about controls for a scientific experiment.
06:40:40.360
What you have done is you have now narrowed that you, indeed, in your experiment, are going to immediately add controls to it.
06:40:47.980
Just by ruling out the things you won't ask, you're now adding in, by the way, the definition.
06:40:59.200
A group or element within the scientific experiment that remains unchanged that serves as a baseline for comparison.
06:41:06.040
You immediately are introducing something which is an unchanged element, right?
06:41:16.960
For example, if I ask about height and weight, maybe we should control for gender.
06:41:29.780
But you're not going to add what color the dog's fur is, right?
06:41:37.040
Yeah, well, but you already are controlling for dog's fur because you're not asking about dog's fur because it's not relevant because you have an unchanging.
06:41:44.220
You have an unchanging standard because it's a control.
06:41:48.360
Look, if you guys want to have the 1v1, you can.
06:42:05.000
So, it's a frequent criticism I get, like, that I move things on.
06:42:14.440
I have to be considerate of, like, other guests on the podcast.
06:42:21.580
Yeah, no, I'm not directing this at you, Andrew.
06:42:27.140
And I'll even grant, sometimes I do cut conversation short.
06:42:42.180
But, oof, I'll scold him if he calls you a Sperg.
06:43:09.420
We have a couple tweets to react to, and then that's it.
06:43:12.240
You did say that you think the entry of age for porn should be raised to 25.
06:43:18.420
You said modern dating has ruined men and women.
06:43:26.560
And men are getting blackpilled and quitting the game altogether.
06:43:29.620
You had a viral clip on Twitter about all day foreplay.
06:43:35.000
I don't know if we even need to pull up the clip.
06:43:40.620
Yeah, I was actually really surprised that it had the response that it did, because I
06:43:45.080
didn't think I said anything controversial at all.
06:43:47.180
And I actually sent it to, like, a couple counselors I know.
06:43:50.000
And they're like, no, this is really marriage 101.
06:43:52.300
But it's the idea that men and women are different.
06:43:57.360
And then our breaks and what leads to pleasure is different.
06:44:02.160
And every man, if they're being honest, has been with a woman and it's going great.
06:44:07.780
And then the garbage truck pulls up or, like, something will happen and she can get into
06:44:15.940
So the clip was saying that we, as women, tend to see everything as a threat when we're
06:44:25.320
And ways to help mitigate that would be, especially as the man, if you're going to be the leader,
06:44:31.260
So if you say, I'm going to take out the trash, take out the trash.
06:44:35.400
Like, all of these little things add up as stressors and are hitting the brakes of her
06:44:40.280
And it was, I think the thing that got people mad was equating trash to, like, a tiger.
06:44:46.960
But most, like, psychologists or neuroscientists will say it's absolutely the same effect if
06:44:51.660
you're getting chased by a tiger or if you're experiencing stress, chronic or acute.
06:44:59.060
So how can you help your woman achieve more pleasure?
06:45:03.540
Because if you're not following through, if you make these promises that you're going
06:45:06.200
to help contribute, help out around the house, help with the kids, whatever it is, and you
06:45:12.660
And then in her subconscious, I'm not even saying it's active, she's like, oh, is he going to
06:45:20.060
Because if you're not doing these things that you say you are, and I think that that's,
06:45:23.500
that is, like, the sign of being a healthy, mature, masculine, right, is being a man of
06:45:29.100
If you're not doing those things, she and her body are saying unreliable and shutting
06:45:35.940
It's not saying women should have the right to nag.
06:45:41.080
Like, there was a lot of straw man arguments being brought into the clips.
06:45:44.560
And then I fell into the trap of trying to defend it.
06:45:47.100
I'm like, just watch what I said, because I didn't say half of the stuff that everyone's
06:45:57.920
So, like, how does that look like, though, from the guys, like, what's the guy going to
06:46:04.020
It's going to be different in every relationship.
06:46:05.640
So, there's kind of, and this is going to be really, like, rudimentary, but in a lot
06:46:10.240
of the relationship books that I've been reading recently, and this is, it's going to be dependent
06:46:16.020
There's, like, three different stages of relationships that people tend to fall in.
06:46:18.800
One is going to be more traditional, and you have, like, very strict assigned roles.
06:46:24.260
And this will be, like, the man is the provider.
06:46:30.760
And no one should really expect the other one to pick up the other one's slack.
06:46:35.780
The other one is more feminist, and that's where you get into, like, partnership, 50-50,
06:46:40.600
unclear boundaries, and unclear leadership, unclear assignment of tasks.
06:46:46.800
And that's where you get into a lot of trouble, especially when it comes to intimacy and sexual
06:46:51.460
Wait, so is it, like, the guy kind of, like, helping take care of the house and stuff?
06:46:54.780
It's more like, well, no, because that can actually go into the third one, too.
06:46:59.180
So the first one, like, the man's not expected to do that, right?
06:47:03.920
That's her job, unless it's, like, heavy or something, right?
06:47:08.680
The second one is, like, there, it's, like, this weird place that no one wants to establish
06:47:13.880
dominance because they automatically think that that's bad.
06:47:19.880
And that's where, like, most, like, modern feminist relationships are right now.
06:47:23.980
So even though, let's say both partners are working, and this is where it gets more
06:47:27.940
complicated because the comment section was acting like the wife was automatically a stay
06:47:33.500
Well, that's not true for the majority of women.
06:47:35.220
So typically both people are working, but then when the mom gets home, she also has most
06:47:39.480
of the tasks when it comes to, like, domestic chores, the kids, cooking, et cetera.
06:47:43.500
So now she's getting mad at husband because she feels overstimulated, overworked, overstressed,
06:47:49.640
and then she takes that out by nagging, emasculating, and that comes down to a fault of not having
06:47:55.540
But again, it's, like, it's the issue of the 50-50.
06:47:58.000
The third one is what you would call intimate communion, and that is, there's still clear
06:48:02.740
leadership in that, but it's more of, like, my needs are your needs in a way.
06:48:11.160
And most men, especially if, like, you're married, and this, again, was, like, for married
06:48:15.880
I'm not expecting some chad from the bar to go take out the trash.
06:48:19.420
Like, this conversation for, like, long-term married couples.
06:48:22.720
If you're married, you want to do things that make your wife happy.
06:48:28.020
But if you see her needs as, like, a chore, that was another thing people were saying,
06:48:33.420
is chore play, or if she's talking down to him, like, that's not healthy.
06:48:38.240
So it's, like, more of a merging is, like, the last, most elevated stage, but still clear
06:48:47.520
Because the counter claim here, which seems quite relevant, is that as soon as men start
06:48:56.960
doing all of the chores and they start participating in this and this kind of thing, that women
06:49:02.460
get very upset with them, that they seem to be less attracted to them, and that when women
06:49:07.100
are asked about attraction levels towards men who act in the capacity as a breadwinner
06:49:11.880
and the not doing the chores portion, they seem to have a higher attraction rate towards
06:49:22.820
You said if a man does all the chores, and I never said all.
06:49:27.520
So, seemingly, women often are sleeping with the type of men that you're talking about
06:49:35.760
and opining about their traditional, lack of traditional marriage or lack of traditional
06:49:41.220
men or lack of masculine men, but masculinity in this society, of course, is appropriated
06:49:46.260
by non-feminine behavior, some of which is going to include housework and busy work like
06:49:52.840
I don't know that housework's necessarily entirely feminine.
06:49:57.660
I would argue that something like keeping the fire lit is more of the man's job, that
06:50:03.720
I would say trash is mostly a man's work as well, just because of weight.
06:50:13.520
Yeah, so it used to actually be a common phenomenon back when people had to use fire for heating
06:50:21.040
Because women would become immolated because they wore garments, which would catch on fire,
06:50:28.760
This was not a phenomenon which was associated with men.
06:50:35.680
Women were the ones who kept the hearth going because they did the cooking on what?
06:50:41.600
They did all of the preparation for meals on the hearth.
06:50:44.960
Literally, this is feminine, and it's always traditionally been feminine that women actually
06:50:52.140
are the ones who keep the fires going and this type of thing, which is why we have the
06:50:59.380
But you don't think that we can redefine rules?
06:51:06.260
Men, and especially if you have boys or little boys, they love fire.
06:51:10.920
They go through a phase where they love nothing more than fire, and I do think that fire in
06:51:18.420
So I wouldn't say seeing a guy light a fire and be like, oh, he's a bitch.
06:51:29.140
It's something that is supposed to be like this.
06:51:35.740
I'm talking about who puts the logs in and keeps the fire burning.
06:51:42.860
Well, that's going to be associative with cooking.
06:51:48.360
Like, maybe that's redefined because I know a lot.
06:51:51.740
Now grilling is entirely the man's domain, and that's the more direct flame usually.
06:51:57.180
Yeah, but when you're talking about traditional norms that people are adhering to, meaning the
06:52:03.880
attractiveness of a traditional man seems to be higher than the attractiveness of a modern
06:52:08.740
If that's the case, we're talking about tradition.
06:52:11.500
We're not talking about the subjective interpretation of gender norms changing over time.
06:52:17.300
Otherwise, we would be destroying what traditional means.
06:52:20.520
So the idea here that men going and doing the fucking laundry, you know, and sweeping
06:52:27.100
the floor and doing all these things, because by your own metric, you're actually at the
06:52:31.040
mercy of your own metric in another way, which is that who the fuck is going around the fireplace
06:52:41.060
Yeah, so even if that's the case, even if that's the case here that now this is masculine that
06:52:46.340
you stoke the fire, almost nobody's sitting around their hearth for warmth anymore.
06:52:51.660
We have natural gas and propane and electricity and everything else.
06:52:56.660
I don't think that lighting a fire is inherently feminine.
06:52:59.520
I don't think any single woman is going to see a man light a fire and be like, he is a
06:53:14.140
One, the outcome of the debate directly affects people's lives.
06:53:18.920
Two, you think you can change the mind of your opponent.
06:53:29.840
But yeah, so the point here is like whether or not, even if I were just to kind of grant
06:53:35.300
that that fire itself is more masculine, that's not a fucking chore.
06:53:39.700
Like when people are referencing chores, they're not referencing, oh my God, I have to load the
06:53:48.160
We're talking about laundry, washing socks, sweeping the floors, vacuuming, scrubbing
06:53:54.600
We're not talking about putting logs in a fire and lighting them.
06:53:58.400
I was talking about taking things off of her plate to help reduce her stress or overstimulus.
06:54:03.620
And if both people are working, how do you, how do you assign roles within the house?
06:54:11.180
So we came to this question earlier when I was saying that you have a feminist stake.
06:54:17.560
So the, I gave this same hypothetical back, which is who ultimately is going to be in the
06:54:24.680
So if you have a deal breaker, threshold breaker, something like this, who ends up in authority?
06:54:32.120
So there's going to be, sometimes the man has authority, sometimes the woman has authority,
06:54:35.760
depending on what their tasks are that they do.
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Most men, they, they seem to be fine with women doing the choreing, right?
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And the thing is, is like you could say, well, most women aren't fine with doing the choreing.
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The problem is, is that why do they find it so attractive when men won't do the fucking
06:54:56.140
So your idea here that, well, uh, in this is your summary of your argument that I wrote
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down, women are into men who do chores so that they are less stressed, but I can't actually
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In fact, I, I find data that is contrary that they're looking for masculine men who provide
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It's once you're already in an established relationship and then those dynamics on what
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is required for a woman to have arousal or pleasure is going to be completely different
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You build up resentment, contentment, there's stress.
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My point of it wasn't to, to like have your guy do chores.
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It's having him want to unburden her with things that are stressing her out.
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And it's, if you say something to do something, it wasn't like, go do all of these chores
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It's like, if you said you were going to do something, the follow through is the thing
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The follow through or the lack thereof is the thing that is creating the issue between
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her and her ability to have arousal or intimacy with you.
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So it wasn't necessarily to men who don't do any of this shit, who follow through.
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No, but if the men are with them, but if the men are with them, then they expect to change
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your behavior to do chores, no, to follow through the chores was one example.
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So it doesn't have to be taking out the trash or doing the dishes or any of that, especially
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if that's not what's agreed upon in the relationship.
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Like one example in a lot of relationship books, it's like this guy comes home and he just like
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Like he just got a huge promotion or just like made a, like made a massive deal.
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And he goes to his wife and he's like, I just landed this deal.
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And the very first thing that she says is, well, you forgot the milk, right?
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Cause like, and that has probably happened to so many men.
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How do I take away his win and bring him down a level?
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And what I'm seeing in that, it's not necessarily true as a pattern of behavior, a pattern of,
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So it's like, she doesn't care what you just did that you see as a success.
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And she would, if you were actually being a man of weird word and following through with
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It's she, she's pointing out how she sees you as unsafe or unreliable because she doesn't
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see you doing the things that you're going to say, even if it's as tiny as getting the
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It's more of just like, this has to be final word.
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Well, I actually understand the position really well.
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I'll just steal man it very quickly because it's about follow through, right?
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Chores were an example that you were making and only an example, which comes to the follow
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through and the reason that kind of the breakdown happens is specifically because they're not
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seeing the type of follow through that they would want.
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But don't you understand that there's an inference here?
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This would mean that if men said, I'm not ever going to do any fucking chores ever.
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And I'm going to, uh, essentially not do X, Y, and Z that if they compromised on that
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for the relationship, they would be showing a lack of follow through.
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It's like, so basically if they set the parameters, I'm going to remain in a giga chat for the
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rest of my life and not do shit and bitch, you're going to fucking clean the house and
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And that's the thing they're attracted to that if men never backed off on that, that
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would actually show that they have followed through.
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But that has nothing to do with the point, right?
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And I think that that's not, that's not necessarily a fair analogy either because you can always
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elevate, grow, or like do something out of love.
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And that was part of the clip too, is little touch points of love and showing that I care
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So it's like, if I see that you need the slack picked up, I'm going to be here to support
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It's how are you showing up to support the person that you decided to like build a life
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The first one is it shows the lack of follow through and this builds resentment.
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And then the second one is, well, wait a second.
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No, it's really about the conduciveness to the differing needs that the various individuals
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And the one man hasn't compromised or done anything, he is actually showing follow through,
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I think in any relationship, especially long term, you're constantly evaluating.
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If the one man does not change and the woman changes her needs.
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No, follow through is I'm saying I'm going to do something for you and I don't do it.
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Changing your mind or changing the dynamics of a relationship is just evolution that's
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The one man says I have an uncompromising position to this relationship.
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You're describing something entirely different.
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And then what you're describing is like everyone, when you get into a relationship, you decide
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the parameters of the relationship, or at least you should if you're an adult, right?
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These are the expectations that I have, values, principles.
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We need to agree on that if we're going to move forward in a serious way.
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Now, if something happens for whatever reason, and one of the parties changes their mind.
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And you don't want to budge because that's, you know, like your principles haven't changed.
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Well, now you're no longer compatible, but that's not,
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So wait, you know, this would be follow through.
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So this would be the man following through with exactly what he said, why he said it,
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Why is it that she decided to change her mind on all of these things that she agreed to?
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That sounds like she's lacking the follow through.
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I've given you guys 15 minutes to discuss this.
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My, my point is men and women are fundamentally different in pretty much every way,
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especially when it comes to arousal, pleasure, what we perceive as, as threats.
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And to talk about like values and what we value in a mate, those are going to be different things.
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So if we were saying we value follow through in a man, that's not really valued in women.
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There's like a category of like top six things, follow through is not there.
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A man being dependable is like top three of what women want.
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So yeah, you can't compare what you want from a man from a woman unless you want to date a dude.
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And my, my, I would, I would just say this, that the, uh, the actual position contradicts
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itself almost immediately the second we get into it.
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Men and women are different that women often will succumb to social pressure and won't tell
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the truth based on, uh, expectations that they have because socially it looks really bad for
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So in the case of like, well, men aren't really following through here and that's what's
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happening, we actually demonstrated the reverse that if the man continues with his exact line
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that he started the relationship with, she changed her mind.
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And so what, what ends up happening is, but that doesn't sound socially great to say,
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well, the woman here really, she changed it up halfway through and he stayed the same.
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So instead she says, well, the man's just not growing with the woman, right?
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This is part of how women tend to lie when it comes to the idea, uh, socially.
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I'm saying this is a great example of how it is that when there's social pressures,
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and you don't want to say what's true because it sounds bad, it makes women look bad, right?
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Then what happens is colorful language like follow through.
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Upon the changes in the mental state the woman has, why is he supposed to follow through on
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It's follow through on what your word was as a man.
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I thought we already settled it with the bowing.
07:03:13.100
Well, I thought you said there was like more info that came through.
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Yeah, it's again just more running around in circles, so yeah, nothing worth sharing.
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I guess the only thing left in your notes, Candice, is that you said you see a tendency
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to pick girls for the show to belittle them and show them in an awful light.
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I don't know if this is still your position or if it is still your position.
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I think that you have in the past, and I mean, I can't speak beyond this panel because it's
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the only one I've seen in them versus clips, but when I see certain behaviors coming out
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from some of the female guests, there's no way you didn't know that they were going to
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respond in a certain way or just be like massively underprepared for like the pressure of coming
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on a big show or like you kind of know what personality and like obviously Andrew knows
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exactly what strings to pull, and you can get a reaction out of that.
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And right, it's the clip economy, so it is what it is, but there, I mean, there absolutely
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I don't ever know who's going on the show until the day of the show.
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Well, whoever's in charge of booking then, you know what I mean?
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But that can't be because I have a preconceived notion of how to do this with the person.
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Yeah, I'm just pointing out that literally until the day of the show, Brian does not actually
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I don't think I've ever really asked him to, to be fair.
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No one said that you had the information who was going on the show.
07:04:54.080
Yeah, there's an inference there when you say, well...
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When you say, I believe that the people who come on the show, you're specifically vetting
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them for the purposes of being able to push their buttons.
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I think Lily Phillips is on the show today because she's famous because she wants to fuck
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I don't think that she's here for the nefarious reason of Brian wanting to push her buttons.
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But you wouldn't be here debating those important issues if there wasn't some notoriety which
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made you worth debating those important issues with.
07:05:37.460
Yeah, but you can't compare her to a lot of the other girls that have these viral clips
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that have no social media following, that aren't engaging in a conversation, that are
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I do see a lot of girls coming to pick fights, and that has happened more, and it has changed
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Well, like, but I'll invite people on who, like, clearly disagree with me or have negative
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I mean, she said the podcast is stupid, and my response is not to be like, well, fuck you.
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Um, and I think you, maybe in your first message, you had perhaps some negative connotations
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Uh, my response to criticism, and I've had really, actually some really nasty initial
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I'll just be like, come on the show and let's have a conversation about it.
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Um, so I'm actually quite open to hearing contrary, uh, opinions and positions.
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Uh, but, um, I, I, can you make the point very quickly that, like, all of what any of
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these guests would ever have to do is watch one or two episodes and do their due diligence
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to very quickly ascertain what they would be in for or not in for?
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Well, yeah, and then, I mean, there was also ground rules, like, be respectful, that's
07:07:01.860
I think you've been disrespectful to almost everyone on this panel at some point.
07:07:05.880
Yeah, I know, but that's what, here's the thing that's so funny, and it's why I call
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I literally am not treating you any differently than I would treat any other man who is sitting
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The problem is, is that inside of most women's brains, they pretend that they want to be treated
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equally, or they pretend that they want egalitarianism, and then the second you give them egalitarianism,
07:07:27.960
We haven't actually had any insulting exchanges.
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No, my point is that you can literally excuse everything you do and make it right, because
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Yeah, but if your priority is to be right because you are right, what's wrong with that?
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You were like, oh, you've been very disrespectful.
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And then he was like, well, who's been disrespectful or something?
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You were like, people are very disrespectful here.
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And then he said, well, yeah, and then I quickly shifted the topic.
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Just as an example, it's sort of the conversational strategy that I think is regularly at play here.
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I actually asked her, how have I been disrespectful to you?
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You have several conversational techniques that I could name if you'd like.
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So because I've had to interject a couple of times because I'm in, I'm patched in remotely.
07:09:15.100
Like, what have I actually said to you that's actually disrespectful except challenge your views?
07:09:24.080
No, for me, it would be the constant interruption and then also the tone.
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Like, there's a, like, tone is absolutely respectful or disrespectful.
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And you call me, oh, I don't know why that's amusing, but I wouldn't want anyone talking to my kid that way or, like, anyone that I cared about that way.
07:09:46.600
Yeah, I know you don't think that, but you see these subjective metrics of tone.
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I didn't say, hang on, I didn't say any of these things.
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Instead, I simply challenged the things that you view as being true and gave you challenges to them.
07:10:06.180
What did I actually say to you, though, that was insulting?
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You can be, and I said disrespectful and not insulting, and you can be disrespectful without blatantly calling someone a whore.
07:10:16.800
If that's, like, your only metric, then, of course, you're not going to think that you're being disrespectful.
07:10:20.140
Would you say in the future I should just go ahead and call women whores?
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Hang on, since I will instead be attacked as being disrespectful regardless.
07:10:28.020
No, I'm giving you my experience with you, and I feel that a lot of people would have my opinion, and I know a lot of people are going to have yours.
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I'm telling you that I feel that this conversation has been very disrespectful with you.
07:10:39.180
I feel that you have been extraordinarily disrespectful.
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From now on, hang on, from now on, when you talk to me, I need you to use a sing-song voice, the sing-iest, song-iest voice you can possibly think of, because otherwise I feel disrespected.
07:10:55.880
Now, I can't give you any particular words that you've said, any particular phrases, any particular insults, because none of that matters.
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What matters is that inside of my brain, I perceive your non-sang-song voice as being fucking disrespectful.
07:11:13.420
You would be okay with someone talking to your wife that way?
07:11:17.120
Would you be okay with someone talking to your wife that way, or a man talking to your wife that way?
07:11:30.360
No, I, here, I, I, I, really quick, just say hi for just a second.
07:11:34.480
I would love for you to talk to me that way in front of my man.
07:11:38.740
She's coming, she's already coming, she's already down.
07:11:41.480
Yeah, I would say it in front of your man, he wouldn't do shit.
07:12:19.440
No, no, no, we're going to stay for the roast anyway.
07:12:40.380
Uh, there was like some tweets we had to react to.
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Uh, I guess any other final thoughts from any of the remaining panelists on the table?
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If you guys can be polite and stay for the rest of the show.
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Actually, I can see that my presence has been very offensive.
07:14:45.620
Just let me say one thing before you go, Andrew.
07:14:51.720
You don't even have to deal with me in two seconds, right?
07:14:57.960
So I'm just saying, my job is literally to be here to challenge your worldview.
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And it's an insult that you're going to go out and fuck 1,000 men.
07:15:18.680
But we're not getting into this because I can't be able to fight with you right now.
07:15:39.960
All right, guys, TTS has been lowered to, TTS has been lowered to, what's it called?
07:16:05.260
And this will be my favorite talking part of the show.
07:16:14.940
Is she still, is somebody still back there or they all left?
07:16:25.680
Yeah, why don't you, why don't you take a seat then?
07:16:42.940
If you want to get it in, $30 TTS, if you want to get it in, one sec, guys, let me make sure.
07:16:52.100
Um, we'll do a brief roast session, then we're going to get this wrapped up here in, uh, a sec.
07:17:00.820
Uh, let's see if there's any other final things here.
07:17:15.400
Uh, who here is willing to take off their makeup?
07:17:46.180
All right, here, I'm going to send, send that down if you guys want to do it.
07:18:04.500
No, but this just, I feel like, makes your skin, like, red roll.
07:18:08.040
Sorry, I feel like that makes your skin red roll.
07:18:31.840
There's, I feel like there's something we're forgetting.
07:18:35.220
There's a bunch of tweets, but at this point, we're just not going to do them.
07:18:50.520
Take the Neutrogena wipe, then, if you can't do it.
07:19:05.980
Honestly, W for one of the most honest panels in a while.
07:19:20.300
Lily, effing 1,000 men will limit you to the absolute lowest scum of men on the planet.
07:19:25.340
That is, if you could ever get one to commit after.
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Why don't, why are you employing me to take my, I didn't say I would.
07:19:48.840
Who's like, bro, the girls don't fuck with the Neutrogena.
07:19:52.000
No, no, no, no, no, no, don't even get, don't get makeup wipes.
07:20:12.440
Maybe for Spicyween 89, but I'm still going to have to say no.
07:20:25.680
A cat has nine lives, a few 304s have more than nine bodies, that kitty is dead, except
07:20:35.340
Only Vans is proof that women are okay with being objectified for money.
07:20:44.520
He's going to make a therapist very rich sometime fucking lost, so we go and take a
07:20:49.600
Brian tossed the chair away and burn it after the show that thing stank, can smell it through
07:20:56.200
Wait, like the original chair one, or I don't know?
07:21:14.880
Well, I think that he's delusional, since he believes in a book written 3,000 years ago.
07:21:24.340
Less that gash of yours is going to be deeper than the Mariana Trench when that's over.
07:21:29.160
Don't worry, she's already like the Dartford Tunnel.
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Having sex with a hundred guys without any makeup.
07:22:01.400
Chariot, you've been nothing but compliant and kind, but I know it's stank girl.
07:22:35.280
Want equality in every way, but as soon as someone treats you like a true equal, you rage and cry.
07:22:41.140
Also, I come on a dating pod and stone wall with your essay stories, not the place.
07:22:56.480
This panel, though, with oars and yikes, most definitely Lily Big Yikes, W, pre-Big W, Andrew, not one step back.
07:23:22.120
Love tuning into your viewpoints, especially with Andrew.
07:23:40.720
I can't believe people would pay $30 to put a comment.
07:23:46.700
Oh, guys, Carly is dissatisfied with the roast quality.
07:24:24.520
A key that opens any lock or a lock that opens to any key.
07:24:28.660
Keep your legs closed to unworthy men and open your heart to Jesus.
07:24:47.760
I stopped believing in religion when I found out that there was more than one.
07:25:03.400
Like, would you do a bow like in that video I showed you?
07:25:22.440
Brian, how much for the chair Lily sat on today?
07:25:33.440
So, she was sitting in that chair, but now she's in this one.
07:25:49.720
Carly, I already know you have a skin tag on your bully.
07:26:17.380
Car 7 Gunt is perfect for sneaking snaps into the movies.
07:26:21.960
Whatever chair 6 identifies it, but it also chair 4 poor children.
07:26:26.120
You can see her mom look like a dummy online forever now.
07:26:39.100
How come you said there are so many guys out in the world?
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I think you know one poor bastard's got to marry.
07:27:10.900
If Lily lived in colonial Massachusetts, we would have thrown her in the harbor along with the tea.
07:27:44.960
Let's put some W's in the chat for Stochastic Decay.
07:27:53.280
If you want to do a final contribution, Venmo Cash App.
07:27:56.880
So, 100% of your contribution will go towards the whatever podcast.
07:28:38.860
I'd like to take this opportunity here at the end of the show to do a call to action.
07:28:47.840
I'd like to see if we can use this as a moment, an opportunity.
07:29:04.460
It's very lucrative, but you have to stop your sex work.
07:29:38.780
$20 an hour isn't bad to sit there, to be fair.
07:29:53.040
I only ask because it looks like you have a bit of Down syndrome.
07:30:01.860
Liking grilled cheese sandwiches mean that you have Down syndrome?
07:30:24.540
I want to do the Patrice clip with the other guys.
07:30:30.620
Oh, has this Venmo cash app thing been up for a while?
07:30:38.500
If you have an Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
07:30:40.660
It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.
07:30:44.020
Would really appreciate it, guys, if you could show some support over there on Twitch.
07:30:56.920
If your daughter turned out like Lily Phillips, would you use 9mm, 45, 556, 762, or buckshot?
07:31:14.440
If your daughter turned out like Lily Phillips.
07:31:41.860
We need, we need a little lighthearted thing at the end here.
07:31:56.440
The doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away.
07:32:05.320
How would you keep your man past, you get a two month guilty.
07:32:11.120
I can't leave the bitch right away because she just lost the pussy in a train accident.
07:32:23.780
How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina?
07:32:33.780
Wait, like, I kind of missed the last couple words that you said.
07:32:45.140
Your boyfriend can't break up with you for three months.
07:32:52.300
What do you do, though, to keep your man past that?
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I mean, I'd hope he likes me even without it, but, I mean, yes, there are other holes.
07:34:16.820
Now, I've been getting pussybeating the whole show, right?
07:34:19.480
But I give women the opportunity to say, I'm going to make myself worth more.
07:34:23.240
But, you just classified yourself as a series of holes.
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But, you know, I'm supposed to treat you special, but you're just a bunch of holes for yourself.
07:34:38.000
No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another
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bitch that got a pussy that got a pussy to come on in.
07:34:57.380
You women are all going into crystals after tonight and never getting out.
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You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
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Thank you to everyone who superchats, donates, and supports the show.
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We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
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Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM at whatever on Instagram.
07:35:36.100
If you can make it to Santa Barbara over on Twitch, I'm just going to raid Grayson.
07:35:47.620
Drop a follow and check if you have a Prime sub before we send you over.
07:36:21.740
I would be black out off of five white, four white claws.
07:36:32.240
I'm still going to raid him, but like, whatever.
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A little chaotic panel, but we'll see you guys on Sunday.