Whatever Podcast - She Did 100 Men In 1 DAY？! 1,000 NEXT？! NO Showering Between Men？! Lily Phillips, Eva Lovia, Aella, Andrew! ｜ Dating Talk #227

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00:04:19.440 Disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel.

00:04:23.720 And last thing, really quick, I do want to give a heads up to the panel.

00:04:26.560 Well, I already told you guys this, but to the audience, we do have a lot to get through tonight.

00:04:31.900 Given the guests that we do have, a lot of pre-show notes.

00:04:34.460 So, the pace is going to be a little quicker tonight.

00:04:37.240 Won't have too much time to linger on any given topic, but we are going to be moving pretty fast.

00:04:43.320 So, with that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.

00:04:47.300 So, please tell us your name, age, location, occupation, and education.

00:04:51.460 Go ahead.

00:04:52.280 All right.

00:04:52.820 I am Ayla.

00:04:54.060 I am 32 years old.

00:04:55.220 My location is here, but I originally came from Idaho, and now I live in SF.

00:05:01.700 I have no education.

00:05:04.020 I was homeschooled.

00:05:05.320 And I make most of my money through research right now, but I also have done sex stuff of varying sorts in the past.

00:05:12.340 When did you start doing S work?

00:05:15.380 I started S growing about 2018.

00:05:17.120 2018.

00:05:17.780 Yeah.

00:05:17.880 Okay.

00:05:18.860 And what's the nature of the, or I guess the scope of the S work that you've been involved in?

00:05:24.300 Well, I have ads online, and then people email me, and they're like, hey, can I meet up?

00:05:28.620 And I'm like, yeah.

00:05:29.180 And then they show up, and then we go to a hotel room, and then they give me money.

00:05:32.600 I actually did it last night in the hotel room that I used to stay here.

00:05:35.040 So, I met somebody from L.A.

00:05:36.240 Are you guys sharing a hotel room?

00:05:37.680 No, no, no.

00:05:38.540 Okay.

00:05:38.980 Not the room.

00:05:39.440 We're at the same hotel, but not sharing a room.

00:05:40.700 Yeah, same hotel.

00:05:41.540 Oh, wow.

00:05:42.060 Okay.

00:05:42.380 Yeah.

00:05:42.640 So, a lovely gentleman.

00:05:43.660 He's really great.

00:05:44.880 Okay.

00:05:45.340 Yeah.

00:05:45.980 All right.

00:05:46.740 And what's, I guess, is there like a going rate?

00:05:51.520 Yeah.

00:05:51.880 Or is it just kind of...

00:05:52.860 I charge 4K for the first hour, and then 1,000 each additional hour.

00:05:55.960 Okay.

00:05:56.280 How many...

00:05:56.780 Did he just do the one, or was he like a baller and just...

00:05:59.460 It was a couple hours.

00:06:00.140 Like, what if somebody wants like a day, like 24 hours?

00:06:02.620 Is that...

00:06:03.100 Yeah.

00:06:03.300 Can you give him a discount or anything?

00:06:04.160 I just changed it a little bit.

00:06:05.660 I think it's like 40K or something, maybe 30.

00:06:09.920 Okay.

00:06:10.260 It doesn't happen often.

00:06:11.160 I don't really escort that much anymore because I make more money from writing, but...

00:06:15.280 Okay.

00:06:15.660 I still occasionally...

00:06:16.300 What do you do with the hotel rooms?

00:06:19.180 Do you guys just talk about things?

00:06:21.860 Chess? 0.94

00:06:22.500 Yes, and also have intercourse. 0.99

00:06:25.480 Oh, okay. 0.66

00:06:26.360 Yeah.

00:06:27.200 Cool.

00:06:28.120 And you also did OF2.

00:06:30.260 Is that correct?

00:06:30.880 And you were kind of an early adopter, is my understanding?

00:06:33.260 Yeah.

00:06:33.560 Yeah.

00:06:33.700 I was one of the first...

00:06:34.580 I signed up first in 2017, and then when it first hit, I was making around 100K a month

00:06:41.300 very early.

00:06:43.020 But now I don't work on it that much anymore.

00:06:45.300 It's kind of repetitive.

00:06:46.800 Okay.

00:06:47.260 Got it.

00:06:48.560 What about you?

00:06:49.740 My name is Candice Horbach.

00:06:51.260 I'm 35.

00:06:52.260 I was in the adult industry from about 2001 to 2017.

00:07:00.060 I left.

00:07:01.100 I started a podcast.

00:07:02.420 That's what I'm doing now.

00:07:03.160 I'm in North Carolina and splitting my time between there and Austin.

00:07:06.140 Got it.

00:07:06.760 And any college or university or anything like that?

00:07:11.220 Bachelor's degree in psychology.

00:07:12.840 Gotcha.

00:07:13.360 Can you say which university or...

00:07:15.040 Coastal Carolina.

00:07:15.680 And the funny thing is I'm not supposed to say that because when I...

00:07:18.920 I do now openly, but when I was in school, I had the dean actually bring me in, and I

00:07:23.760 was in film at the time, and it was a very big deal that I was on film and going to college.

00:07:29.000 So she was like, just don't say you graduated from here.

00:07:31.660 I was like, well, now I'm going to do that at every opportunity I can because I spent a

00:07:35.120 lot of money.

00:07:36.380 So you had started doing coronography while you're still in college.

00:07:44.380 And she's like, hey, don't disclose because...

00:07:47.660 Right, yeah.

00:07:48.660 I see.

00:07:49.240 Okay.

00:07:49.860 And you were...

00:07:50.740 I'm sorry, just in my notes here.

00:07:53.040 What did you say the last name was?

00:07:54.700 Horbach.

00:07:55.720 Horbach.

00:07:56.000 I know.

00:07:56.860 It's supposed to be Horbach, but that is like way too Polish for me or anyone to say.

00:08:01.100 So it's...

00:08:02.080 We just say Horbach.

00:08:04.060 It's not mine.

00:08:06.140 That is like super ironic, but okay.

00:08:08.360 I know.

00:08:08.740 I know.

00:08:09.380 Written in the stars.

00:08:10.520 And so you were in your senior year of university when you started doing sex work or...

00:08:18.340 I think it was my junior.

00:08:19.620 I was going part-time.

00:08:21.080 And was there like a period of time where like people didn't know, but then like your

00:08:26.400 fellow student body, did they find out?

00:08:28.880 It came out pretty quick.

00:08:30.060 Okay.

00:08:30.300 Yeah.

00:08:30.640 And like how was that, I guess, going through maybe your senior year where like people knew

00:08:34.660 maybe even your junior?

00:08:36.080 I don't know.

00:08:36.260 I mean, amongst peers, it was fine because when you're young like that, people don't

00:08:40.680 tend to be as judgmental and you don't really understand the ramifications.

00:08:44.000 So you kind of just like live in that moment and you can be kind of seduced by all of those

00:08:47.580 things.

00:08:49.360 Family obviously didn't take it well.

00:08:51.340 I think it's very rare that they do.

00:08:52.840 So that was an issue.

00:08:54.840 But I feel like most of the negative impacts of that decision came like way later after I

00:09:00.760 got out actually.

00:09:01.920 Okay.

00:09:02.320 And are you able to share your creator name?

00:09:09.420 Yeah.

00:09:09.800 Yeah.

00:09:10.020 I don't care.

00:09:10.380 I'm an open book.

00:09:11.100 Yeah.

00:09:11.220 So my stage name was Evilovia.

00:09:13.460 I mean, both names are kind of tied together in perpetuity.

00:09:17.800 Got it.

00:09:18.280 Yeah.

00:09:18.480 Okay.

00:09:19.760 What about you?

00:09:21.300 I'm Lily Phillips.

00:09:22.640 I am 23.

00:09:24.960 I'm from Derbyshire in England.

00:09:27.660 I live in London.

00:09:29.400 What was the other question?

00:09:30.560 Occupation.

00:09:33.220 Occupation.

00:09:33.880 And education.

00:09:35.640 Adult star.

00:09:36.600 And the highest level of education I think I got was a B-tech at college.

00:09:40.620 B-tech.

00:09:41.420 Yes.

00:09:41.980 And was that like a...

00:09:43.100 So just before you go off to university, you go to college in England.

00:09:47.060 You could rather go to college or do A-levels.

00:09:49.440 And I went to college and did B-tech.

00:09:51.400 Okay.

00:09:52.220 I mean, and you've recently, and you've been on the show before, so welcome back.

00:09:55.900 Thank you.

00:09:56.240 So you've recently created quite a stir online with, you filmed a, a 100, you slept with a

00:10:04.880 hundred men.

00:10:05.620 A hundred and one.

00:10:06.500 A hundred and one.

00:10:07.400 Get it right.

00:10:08.080 You snuck another one in there.

00:10:10.640 And that was in December, November?

00:10:12.800 When was that?

00:10:13.280 I did that in October.

00:10:14.400 October.

00:10:14.880 Yeah.

00:10:15.140 Okay.

00:10:15.840 And there was a documentary surrounding it.

00:10:18.680 Went super viral.

00:10:20.100 Everybody was commenting, still is commenting on it.

00:10:22.600 I actually saw you did a recent interview with Russell Brand.

00:10:25.120 Is that?

00:10:25.520 Yes.

00:10:25.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:26.660 Interesting one.

00:10:27.480 Yeah, definitely.

00:10:28.540 And so, but you're now, your eyes are set at, you're going to step it up?

00:10:35.320 What's going on?

00:10:35.860 Number a thousand.

00:10:36.620 Yeah.

00:10:37.020 Hell yeah.

00:10:37.820 So you're going to do a thousand in a, in a day.

00:10:40.700 Yes.

00:10:41.600 I was about to do it.

00:10:42.040 Didn't that Australian check already do that?

00:10:44.020 Pardon?

00:10:44.820 I think she did a hundred or something.

00:10:46.900 What did you say?

00:10:47.480 Sorry.

00:10:48.560 So I thought that Australian chick who was on the show already did that. 1.00

00:10:52.800 I don't know about that, but yeah, I did a hundred and one and now I'm going for a thousand.

00:10:58.040 Yeah.

00:10:58.460 I thought she did a thousand, Brian.

00:10:59.880 I can reference the article though.

00:11:01.760 I think that the, it was like the Australians, I don't know, they have like a Sun Times or something

00:11:06.660 and they were writing about that article or writing about that.

00:11:09.880 I'll, I'll reference it.

00:11:10.780 But I thought, yeah, I thought that that had already been achieved, I guess.

00:11:14.260 Well, my understanding with Lily here is whatever the record is, you're going to break it.

00:11:18.140 Yeah.

00:11:18.280 I want to break a record.

00:11:19.340 That's, it doesn't matter who's done it before or whatever.

00:11:22.100 And then I guess, what are the terms of that?

00:11:24.220 Like how logistically a thou, that's a lot.

00:11:27.860 Like how are you going to.

00:11:28.920 So it all has to be like penetrative and yeah, just in, out, in, out on like a conveyor belt 0.98

00:11:34.960 of cocks. 0.99

00:11:35.820 A conveyor belt, a cock carousel. 1.00

00:11:38.860 Yeah. 0.98

00:11:39.440 Yeah.

00:11:39.840 Just, okay.

00:11:40.900 Amazing.

00:11:41.120 All right.

00:11:41.300 Um, and they each get like two minutes or how does that.

00:11:44.520 Less, less, like 40 seconds.

00:11:47.240 No, they get a singular.

00:11:48.020 I'd probably say like, honestly, each of them get like five seconds.

00:11:51.120 Just for a second.

00:11:52.060 Just to see how.

00:11:52.580 Yeah.

00:11:52.800 So.

00:11:53.040 Like they get one thrust.

00:11:54.340 Yeah.

00:11:54.960 One thrust each.

00:11:56.560 So this was, um, apparently the record set by Bonnie Blue.

00:12:01.100 It was 1057 men a single day.

00:12:03.740 That's who I was referencing by the Australian chick. 0.99

00:12:06.180 But yeah, so I guess, I guess that's been done.

00:12:08.680 So you gotta, so you gotta go up to like 1100.

00:12:11.760 This is like Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi.

00:12:15.520 Like this is, do you guys have beef or you guys.

00:12:18.820 No, no.

00:12:19.580 Homies. 1.00

00:12:20.080 You and this other girl.

00:12:21.500 Yeah.

00:12:21.820 She's, she works in my industry. 1.00

00:12:23.560 Do you guys motivate each other?

00:12:25.140 Like.

00:12:25.200 Do you motivate each other?

00:12:26.380 Like, just, do you want to keep. 0.99

00:12:27.780 Yeah, we can keep fucking up. 0.99

00:12:29.140 Upping each other. 0.99

00:12:29.280 You know what? 1.00

00:12:29.620 There's enough guys in this world to fuck us both, so. 1.00

00:12:32.500 Okay. 1.00

00:12:32.840 British.

00:12:33.220 Sorry, she's British, not Australian.

00:12:34.860 My bad.

00:12:35.140 Yeah.

00:12:35.380 There is another Australian woman who has, I was mentioning this to her before the show,

00:12:40.040 who also did like.

00:12:40.840 Yeah, I feel like now, now like the, the high numbers has come out.

00:12:44.440 Yes.

00:12:44.700 There's been like a lot of people say they want to do it.

00:12:46.400 A little bit, a Turkish girl said she wants to do 100.

00:12:48.820 Who actually got arrested.

00:12:49.520 Wait, who was the one who did like the virgins?

00:12:53.040 Was that the Australian girl?

00:12:53.960 The virgins?

00:12:54.200 Like, I've done virgins.

00:12:55.380 Or the, you did the virgin, wait.

00:12:57.280 I didn't do an all virgin.

00:12:58.740 But you did like 20.

00:12:59.740 I did 23.

00:13:00.760 20, okay.

00:13:01.440 We did like a 23 man bang bang.

00:13:03.320 Okay.

00:13:03.780 But, and then we, that day we'd done 37.

00:13:05.880 Yeah.

00:13:06.000 And how do you find the, like, is it a, like a Craigslist ad?

00:13:08.540 Or I guess they don't have Craigslist.

00:13:09.260 Oh, just put, put the address online.

00:13:11.700 Whoever can show up, can show up.

00:13:13.140 Do you do like TV ads or billboards or, you should do a billboard?

00:13:15.840 Literally just like, just social media.

00:13:17.620 The power of social media.

00:13:18.820 TikTok, Twitter, Instagram.

00:13:20.900 Just post an IG story.

00:13:22.700 Yeah.

00:13:22.940 Hell yeah.

00:13:23.380 What's, what's like the title of the pitch?

00:13:25.660 I think my, my poster. 0.74

00:13:26.580 Does anybody want to have sex? 0.97

00:13:27.460 Yeah. 0.64

00:13:27.660 My, my poster was like, want to break a world record or something or another like that.

00:13:33.000 And it was just like, you know, text this number, da, da, da.

00:13:35.840 And then, um, another thing that kind of recently went viral.

00:13:38.660 I don't know if this was just kind of like a bit or whatever, but I saw you, you did a

00:13:43.100 video where you were walking in the streets of.

00:13:45.100 With spunk on my face.

00:13:46.200 With, with, yeah.

00:13:48.140 Um, was that real?

00:13:50.400 Yeah.

00:13:50.580 Like it was actually.

00:13:51.060 You should see the, the actual video.

00:13:52.960 I did put it on Pornhub, so you can't go through that.

00:13:55.240 But, um, the, one of the guys who, cause I did like, um, a threesome with two guys.

00:14:00.900 And one of the guys is called Pluster a Man.

00:14:02.740 And he has the biggest loads I've ever seen.

00:14:05.240 And I was like, I was so amazed.

00:14:07.340 I was like, I need to go onto the street with this on my face.

00:14:09.400 Cause it's just so amazing.

00:14:12.260 Like, honestly, it, he's alien.

00:14:14.960 Like it's that much.

00:14:16.020 He's alien.

00:14:17.000 Yeah.

00:14:18.160 That's interesting.

00:14:19.280 Okay.

00:14:19.580 It looks, and it looks like fake com cause it's so much, but it's really not.

00:14:22.640 You should see the video.

00:14:24.340 And, uh, okay.

00:14:25.320 Anyways, you were, you walked around, you filmed yourself.

00:14:27.700 Okay.

00:14:28.360 Um, that also went viral.

00:14:30.180 Um, what's next for Lily Phillips? 1.00

00:14:33.060 At the end of this month, I'm doing a skydive where I suck a guy's cock. 1.00

00:14:35.700 A skydiving sex scene? 1.00

00:14:37.040 Yeah.

00:14:37.500 Somebody's done that.

00:14:38.380 No, cause I haven't seen anyone do it.

00:14:40.460 Not the, not the S&P.

00:14:41.600 People do paraguiding, but I want to do skydiving.

00:14:44.920 Skydiving.

00:14:45.280 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:45.680 Cause paraguiding is pretty easy to have sex on. 0.99

00:14:48.080 Somebody's. 1.00

00:14:48.660 So then what's that, is he going to suck a dick in space? 1.00

00:14:50.980 Hell yeah. 1.00

00:14:51.740 Elon Musk.

00:14:52.700 She's, wow.

00:14:53.600 He can get it.

00:14:54.200 Ambitious.

00:14:55.100 This is very ambitious.

00:14:56.600 Um, wow.

00:14:57.500 Okay.

00:14:57.920 Cool.

00:14:58.560 Well, we'll get, we'll get into some of that more stuff as we, uh, get through the show.

00:15:02.100 What about you?

00:15:03.340 I'm Becca Slider.

00:15:04.300 I'm a confidence coach and a speaker and I host a podcast and then I'm also a 1% creator

00:15:09.260 on OnlyFans.

00:15:10.440 All right.

00:15:11.020 Uh, age?

00:15:12.500 43.

00:15:13.600 Okay.

00:15:14.240 And, uh, where, where are you from?

00:15:16.720 Where do you live?

00:15:17.280 Ohio.

00:15:17.600 I just totally stopped short.

00:15:19.240 Sorry.

00:15:19.300 Uh, and, uh, education.

00:15:22.300 An unfinished degree in counseling.

00:15:24.360 Unfinished.

00:15:24.900 Did you get your associates?

00:15:25.560 It will not be finished.

00:15:26.580 No.

00:15:26.760 Okay.

00:15:27.380 And, uh, my understanding, at least what you indicated to us in your pre-show notes, you

00:15:30.700 used to be a pastor.

00:15:31.920 Correct.

00:15:32.440 I was a pastor for many years.

00:15:33.340 Which denomination?

00:15:34.100 It's non-denominational.

00:15:35.460 Okay.

00:15:35.760 Yeah.

00:15:36.080 Um, so you were like, I don't know the process.

00:15:37.920 Were you ordained?

00:15:38.700 Yes.

00:15:39.180 Uh-huh.

00:15:39.440 Yeah.

00:15:39.660 Ordained.

00:15:40.020 So it would be more of an evangelical style of church.

00:15:42.800 And then you were, um, like, were you raised as a Christian?

00:15:47.860 Oh yeah.

00:15:48.120 I was raised conservative Christian, also non-denominational.

00:15:51.060 Non-denominational.

00:15:52.040 And then did you have to go to like a school to become a pastor or how does that work?

00:15:55.720 No.

00:15:56.400 Um, it depends on the church you're in.

00:15:58.160 Every denomination is very different as to what they allow.

00:16:00.440 And a lot of denominations do not allow women to be in ministry.

00:16:03.140 Yeah.

00:16:03.520 And how long were you a pastor for?

00:16:06.200 Um, on staff and then unpaid as well, 10 years.

00:16:09.980 10 years.

00:16:10.780 Mm-hmm.

00:16:12.100 But no longer?

00:16:13.480 No, actually about five, six years ago, I not only walked away.

00:16:17.960 I stepped down from ministry.

00:16:19.140 I walked away from the church.

00:16:20.140 I deconstructed my faith, which was one of the hardest, most painful things I've ever

00:16:24.800 done in my life.

00:16:25.820 Mm-hmm.

00:16:26.100 And, uh, yeah.

00:16:27.260 Now I'm, I would consider myself spiritual, but absolutely do not subscribe to any Christian

00:16:32.500 beliefs.

00:16:33.100 So you're maybe agnostic.

00:16:34.420 Yeah, that would probably be more accurate as an umbrella statement.

00:16:37.640 All right.

00:16:37.920 You went through the process of Christian deconstruction. 0.76

00:16:40.960 Yeah.

00:16:41.780 Mm-hmm.

00:16:42.060 Mm-hmm.

00:16:42.860 What, uh, just if you don't mind me asking very briefly.

00:16:45.700 Sure.

00:16:46.040 What was the most compelling argument for deconstruction for you?

00:16:50.600 The compelling argument to begin deconstruction?

00:16:53.280 No.

00:16:53.720 The compelling argument that led to you finally walking away from deconstruction.

00:16:58.120 Sure.

00:16:58.580 Yeah.

00:16:58.880 It was actually getting really honest about the fact that the beliefs that are staples

00:17:02.860 of Christianity are all founded in fear. 0.97

00:17:05.640 They're not actually, they're, they're amassed in love, but they are founded in fear and therefore

00:17:10.660 very unsupportive to a life that is eliminating fear and shame.

00:17:14.340 So, so they, it wasn't any historical argument or anything like that.

00:17:20.880 It was something which was foundational to how you felt about your life, fear, this type

00:17:26.260 of thing.

00:17:26.960 Yeah.

00:17:27.360 I would say that would be the foundational part.

00:17:29.620 And then you said, as far as like some of the things in the Bible that you can tear

00:17:33.780 apart, I didn't even get into a lot of those, but I follow a lot of people who kind of tear

00:17:38.880 them apart and it's pretty easy to see the holes.

00:17:41.460 I see.

00:17:42.300 Okay.

00:17:43.460 All right.

00:17:43.980 What about you?

00:17:45.800 Hi.

00:17:46.280 Yeah.

00:17:46.600 I'm Carly.

00:17:47.380 I'm 21 and I'm originally from Santa Barbara actually, but I live in LA right now.

00:17:53.060 Um, and I go to college and I also model part-time like fashion industry.

00:17:58.960 So sure.

00:17:59.360 What are you studying in college?

00:18:00.580 I'm actually studying marketing.

00:18:01.740 Like I'm planning on going into like fashion marketing and advertising.

00:18:05.120 I don't know.

00:18:05.980 It's, I enjoy it.

00:18:07.340 Like I really like being down there.

00:18:09.220 Cool.

00:18:09.960 What about you?

00:18:10.620 Um, my name's Katrina from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

00:18:15.160 I am a bartender since I was 17.

00:18:18.300 Uh, I have a high school education.

00:18:20.580 Uh, I have a high school education, uh, age 35, 89, I was born in 89.

00:18:27.260 Okay.

00:18:28.220 And you said just high school education?

00:18:30.520 Yep.

00:18:30.800 Okay.

00:18:31.260 All right.

00:18:32.300 What about you?

00:18:32.960 Hi, my name's Danielle.

00:18:35.460 I am 30.

00:18:36.960 I am from Elmont, Ontario, uh, very small town.

00:18:41.940 Uh, I went to school for addiction, uh, along with justice studies and police foundations,

00:18:48.380 uh, college level.

00:18:50.320 And then also, uh, worked for the government of Canada as an administrative assistant along

00:18:56.760 with serving, uh, part to full time.

00:18:59.400 So a lot of workload and that's my sister is the day, is the day of the rate. 0.94

00:19:05.280 Liar. 0.86

00:19:07.280 Sorry. 0.99

00:19:08.180 Is the day of the rate coming?

00:19:10.620 The maple revolution.

00:19:11.660 Is it, is it coming to Canada?

00:19:15.100 Maybe not against it.

00:19:18.700 Go ahead.

00:19:20.120 Hello.

00:19:21.120 I'm upgrade.

00:19:22.180 This is my second time on the whatever podcast.

00:19:26.260 I'm 22 and I am a singer-songwriter and I came here to promote my third song, um, Say

00:19:37.280 I Love You.

00:19:38.940 Yeah.

00:19:39.940 No, you came here to have discussion related to it.

00:19:43.020 You don't admit, oh my God.

00:19:44.580 Okay.

00:19:45.100 Um, go ahead, sing.

00:19:46.920 Let's hear you sing.

00:19:47.780 Go ahead.

00:19:48.780 Do you like Etta James at last?

00:19:52.300 This girl watches the show. 0.61

00:19:53.620 Yeah, go ahead, sing it.

00:19:54.400 I have to do my research.

00:19:56.500 Yeah, no, that's, go ahead.

00:19:57.440 That's my go-to.

00:19:59.920 And, at last, my love has come along.

00:20:15.400 My lonely days are over.

00:20:24.360 And life is like a song.

00:20:31.000 Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

00:20:34.180 All right.

00:20:35.000 There you go.

00:20:36.280 That was really good.

00:20:37.720 Thank you.

00:20:37.940 A little, uh, a little flourish there at the beginning.

00:20:40.580 I was like, where, where's she going with this?

00:20:42.160 But no, it was good.

00:20:42.880 It was good.

00:20:43.800 All right.

00:20:44.180 Andrew, what about you?

00:20:47.440 I'm not, I'm not going to sing a song, no. 0.99

00:20:50.160 Shit. 0.99

00:20:50.440 No, my name is, my name is Andrew West. 1.00

00:20:51.920 Wait, now you have to.

00:20:53.220 Now you have to.

00:20:54.300 I'm the host of the Crucible.

00:20:56.580 It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube.

00:20:58.900 I'm a political analyst, a political satirist.

00:21:01.000 I engage in debates and conversations all around the world.

00:21:03.600 And I'm happy to be here tonight and talking with all of you.

00:21:06.940 All right.

00:21:07.420 Welcome, everybody.

00:21:08.080 We have two chats coming in here.

00:21:09.740 I'm going to let them come in from Metro Matt.

00:21:12.140 Sorry for the delay on these.

00:21:13.520 Metro Matt donated $200.

00:21:16.160 Wow, Brian.

00:21:17.220 You really outdid yourself this time.

00:21:19.680 The ultimate DGN panel.

00:21:21.760 Can't wait to hear the grift from the P-Stars.

00:21:24.780 Oh, man.

00:21:25.560 Okay.

00:21:25.940 Do you guys want to respond to these Metro Matt here?

00:21:29.520 I love it.

00:21:31.300 Takes one to know one.

00:21:34.080 Metro Matt.

00:21:34.900 Sorry.

00:21:34.980 You need to be a P-Star.

00:21:36.840 You know a P-Star.

00:21:38.660 That's a new one.

00:21:40.040 Everybody pay attention to this guy.

00:21:42.200 Yo, Metro Matt.

00:21:43.080 Thank you, man.

00:21:43.520 Appreciate it.

00:21:45.120 Sorry for the delays on these.

00:21:46.620 We just wanted to get through the intro here.

00:21:48.400 But oh, boy.

00:21:49.920 Metro Matt donated $200.

00:21:52.640 There's more bodies between those three than all of UCSB.

00:21:56.480 This is the prime example of why more and more men don't trust or respect women.

00:22:01.840 Send the asteroid.

00:22:02.500 All right.

00:22:02.780 I'll send the asteroid.

00:22:04.060 He wants me to send the asteroid.

00:22:06.560 It's a little early to talk about body count, Metro Matt.

00:22:09.240 But I do appreciate the comment.

00:22:10.840 Does anybody want you to feel free to respond to them if any of you want to?

00:22:15.700 I don't really see the insult.

00:22:18.440 So, I mean, people that have a more conservative view with sexuality and body count tend to pair up with each other.

00:22:24.460 And then people that have higher body counts pair up with each other.

00:22:27.060 So the only issue that people have are the ones that aren't actively seeking each other out.

00:22:31.280 So it's fine.

00:22:33.100 Yeah.

00:22:33.360 I'm not denying a high body count.

00:22:37.360 All right.

00:22:38.820 Let's get into the pre-show.

00:22:40.640 Actually, excuse me.

00:22:41.520 I need to get through this.

00:22:42.840 So what's your current relationship status?

00:22:45.800 And if you're single, how long have you been single?

00:22:48.140 And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?

00:22:50.420 Go ahead.

00:22:50.740 I'm currently dating somebody.

00:22:52.600 I am polyamorous.

00:22:54.420 I've been dating this person for four years.

00:22:56.960 And currently, yeah.

00:22:59.080 Was that all of the questions?

00:23:00.960 Longest relationship?

00:23:02.160 The four years is the longest.

00:23:03.360 Oh, four years.

00:23:03.920 Is that your current relationship?

00:23:06.400 Four years.

00:23:07.260 Okay.

00:23:08.080 And a couple questions here.

00:23:09.920 You said you're poly, right?

00:23:11.040 Yeah.

00:23:11.940 Are there currently any other people that you're seeing right now?

00:23:16.420 Not with dating, but I definitely bang a lot of other people for fun.

00:23:19.800 And your partner, is it a man or a woman?

00:23:23.540 Man.

00:23:23.960 Man.

00:23:24.320 Okay.

00:23:25.140 And he's okay with the escorting and you, I think you said, was it banging a lot of?

00:23:32.860 I don't want to misquote.

00:23:33.760 I bang a lot of people for fun.

00:23:34.820 Bang a lot of people.

00:23:35.460 Yes.

00:23:35.960 Men and women.

00:23:37.080 Men.

00:23:37.480 Or just men.

00:23:38.360 Yes.

00:23:38.540 Okay.

00:23:39.460 And he's, it's all copacetic for him.

00:23:41.880 He's cool with it. 0.75

00:23:42.620 I mean, he's banging probably more women than I am banging men.

00:23:45.460 Okay. 0.55

00:23:45.840 It's open for both of you.

00:23:47.520 Yeah.

00:23:47.820 Okay.

00:23:48.080 It's just a free for all.

00:23:48.920 Do you guys compete at all?

00:23:50.040 Yeah.

00:23:50.400 We were, we're like head to head on our spreadsheets for body count right now.

00:23:54.140 Wow.

00:23:54.460 Okay.

00:23:54.600 Oh, you both have spreadsheets.

00:23:55.840 Yes.

00:23:56.120 Okay.

00:23:57.220 All right.

00:23:57.840 Do you keep count?

00:23:59.060 Yeah.

00:24:00.020 She's a data.

00:24:00.880 She's all about the data.

00:24:01.880 Oh, also, I guess kind of related to your intro.

00:24:05.220 I forgot this.

00:24:05.840 Um, there's a couple like, uh, interesting things about you that were on the internet.

00:24:10.540 Uh, you, you set records for showering or lack thereof.

00:24:14.520 Yeah.

00:24:14.920 Um, and you posted the tweet about it cause you keep impeccable data.

00:24:19.660 Damien, can we pull up the shower tweet?

00:24:22.020 Um, but so I think it was in 2022, you tracked how many times you did a variety of things.

00:24:27.260 One of these was showering.

00:24:28.680 Oh, every year.

00:24:29.560 And, uh, how many times did you shower in 2022?

00:24:32.480 Oh, I think it was 34 or something.

00:24:34.820 I think it was 27 in last year.

00:24:38.040 Okay.

00:24:38.380 Now, uh, pull it up.

00:24:40.660 Do you have, do you have the, okay.

00:24:41.880 My 2022 in stats, images, images, uh, and some, uh, went outside, pooped, socialized, worked, 0.95

00:24:49.860 took Adderall, drank alcohol, danced, had sex, 63, cried 59. 0.72

00:24:55.100 Is there, is there a lever like crying and sex happens at the same time ever? 0.97

00:24:59.060 Ideally.

00:24:59.740 Yes.

00:25:00.220 Ideally.

00:25:00.760 She's okay.

00:25:01.380 Got it. 0.99

00:25:01.700 It was good sex. 0.98

00:25:02.580 There's crying involved. 0.98

00:25:03.640 Good, good to know.

00:25:04.420 Um, wrote, gamed, had a good meal and at the very bottom showered and then scroll down

00:25:09.500 just a little bit.

00:25:10.980 Uh, yeah, whatever.

00:25:12.140 Um, so showered 37.

00:25:13.840 What, uh, lowest amount of times you've ever showered in a year?

00:25:17.400 Uh, I think it was like 14 or 17, I think.

00:25:21.220 17.

00:25:21.560 And that was in?

00:25:22.480 Uh, 2019.

00:25:23.980 That's my guess.

00:25:24.340 And how about, how about for 2025?

00:25:25.940 How's, how's that looking so far?

00:25:27.360 Uh, two showers so far.

00:25:28.020 Two showers.

00:25:28.240 I want to challenge you.

00:25:29.420 So I'd like to initiate a call to action, Ayla.

00:25:32.660 Yes.

00:25:33.860 2025 is your year.

00:25:35.760 The least.

00:25:36.740 The least.

00:25:37.380 Least amount of showers.

00:25:39.180 What do we think?

00:25:39.720 I think sub 10.

00:25:40.480 What's the world record?

00:25:41.460 Sub 10.

00:25:42.360 Probably zero.

00:25:43.780 Oh, yeah.

00:25:44.700 Oh, for sure.

00:25:45.680 For sure.

00:25:46.280 Well, I figured out that, uh, if you actually don't shower often enough, my skin started turning

00:25:50.500 darker, uh, from dirt that in a way that like wasn't coming off during the showering.

00:25:54.640 So I was like, don't these ads imply though, so I was just kind of looking at them.

00:26:00.840 You had, if you are having sex more often than you're showering, does this imply that

00:26:05.000 between clients you're not showering? 1.00

00:26:06.920 I do whore baths. 1.00

00:26:08.640 So I do wash my, it's, you can sink. 1.00

00:26:11.300 Don't bring her into the, wait, what?

00:26:14.000 I thought you said you do.

00:26:15.700 Nevermind.

00:26:16.320 No, I just get a washcloth.

00:26:19.860 Terrible.

00:26:20.680 You get a washcloth.

00:26:22.440 Yeah.

00:26:22.620 You can spot wash.

00:26:23.420 What if you go in the shower, but you only shower below the belt?

00:26:28.380 Is that a shower?

00:26:29.460 Sounds a little more annoying, but I-

00:26:31.060 Is that a shower?

00:26:31.880 I don't, there is, there definitely is a question.

00:26:34.640 What?

00:26:34.980 You may as well just do a full shower at that point.

00:26:36.880 Eh.

00:26:37.560 If you're doing half your body.

00:26:38.900 Well, what if you shower?

00:26:40.060 Do you just like, you just like wipe, so, I mean, I'm sorry to be graphic, but you just 1.00

00:26:44.500 like basically wipe a dude's jizz off and then you're going to have sex with another 1.00

00:26:47.940 guy and you don't shower in between even? 1.00

00:26:50.200 I mean, wiping a dude's jizz off in the shower is what people do.

00:26:52.700 I just do it more locally.

00:26:56.560 Yeah.

00:26:56.980 Well, I mean, there's a, there's a factor of like water power and pressure and all sorts

00:27:00.940 of things that come with showering that you're probably not going to get from a washcloth.

00:27:04.300 Well, I do have a bidet and I use that very aggressively.

00:27:06.520 I basically like sandpaper off a layer of skin.

00:27:08.620 Cheating.

00:27:09.120 Yeah.

00:27:09.320 You use your bidet when you're at a hotel because there's no bidets in hotels last

00:27:12.740 I checked.

00:27:13.680 I bidet after I get home and then before I go see a client.

00:27:16.040 Some nice hotels.

00:27:17.680 Yeah.

00:27:18.120 There isn't, there isn't any bidets in the hotels there and you just saw a client.

00:27:21.460 So I assume you didn't shower post sleeping with this client.

00:27:24.280 Well, I go home and then I bidet.

00:27:30.060 It's pretty simple.

00:27:31.620 Did you bidet last night after your client?

00:27:34.520 No, actually I haven't bidet yet.

00:27:36.480 Yeah, I haven't bidet yet.

00:27:36.960 But I did aggressively use a washcloth.

00:27:38.920 Aggressive washcloth. 1.00

00:27:39.900 Yeah.

00:27:40.280 You just have to scrub it down until you're in a little bit of pain.

00:27:43.100 Okay.

00:27:43.760 Nice.

00:27:45.520 But you should try to set a record this year.

00:27:47.440 2025, your year.

00:27:49.320 You can do this.

00:27:50.060 I think I can do 15 showers.

00:27:52.520 No, sub 10.

00:27:53.780 But I do shower more than 37 times a year, not to brag.

00:27:57.980 But if it was a contest, I would definitely be winning.

00:28:02.020 And then let's see.

00:28:05.400 Okay, so but you're in this polyamorous relationship.

00:28:07.840 Have you always been poly?

00:28:09.120 Yes.

00:28:09.940 Even when you were younger, like 18, 19, 20?

00:28:11.660 The first time I heard the word was, I was like, that is unambiguously me.

00:28:14.920 I'm absolutely poly and I've never doubted it since.

00:28:17.180 And never been like in a monogamous relationship ever?

00:28:19.680 When I was a teenager and very Christian, I was like, ah, monogamy is the thing.

00:28:23.880 And then I was trying to do that for a while and kind of failed.

00:28:26.760 Is anybody else here?

00:28:28.300 Well, I guess we'll get into it.

00:28:29.620 We'll come back to some of this stuff, but I'll just get everybody's relationship status.

00:28:33.220 Candice, what about you?

00:28:34.080 Um, married and 15 years.

00:28:36.860 Married.

00:28:37.520 Longest relationship.

00:28:38.880 Longest relationship, 15 years.

00:28:40.420 Is that the guy who you're married to?

00:28:42.420 Yes.

00:28:43.040 Okay, wait.

00:28:43.520 So you've been with him for 15 years.

00:28:46.160 Um, and how long have you been married?

00:28:49.780 10.

00:28:50.520 10.

00:28:50.900 10 years.

00:28:51.780 Okay.

00:28:52.680 Got it.

00:28:53.520 And, um, any other relationships before him?

00:28:56.800 Um, I had one and that was eight years.

00:28:59.580 Eight years.

00:29:00.400 Okay, wait.

00:29:00.960 So I was like high school.

00:29:04.140 Yeah.

00:29:04.260 Okay.

00:29:04.580 Got it.

00:29:05.100 Yeah.

00:29:05.560 Got it.

00:29:06.220 Um, and so, I mean, you were involved and you still do like, I mean, you have a OF, right?

00:29:11.340 So you still do some content, right?

00:29:12.900 Yeah.

00:29:13.160 It's like, it's much more tame than my previous work.

00:29:16.220 Content.

00:29:16.940 Yeah, I don't work with anyone else.

00:29:18.060 Yeah.

00:29:18.800 Uh, but you were in the traditional adult content space.

00:29:21.420 Yeah.

00:29:22.060 Um, and you were with him for, when did you, so you were with him before you started?

00:29:27.040 Yeah, I started webcamming.

00:29:28.880 So that was when we first kind of just started casually dating and then he was there for the

00:29:32.900 whole progression of everything.

00:29:34.620 Gotcha.

00:29:35.160 And, uh, has it presented, and if you, you don't want to talk about that, that's fine,

00:29:40.180 but has it presented like any issues for the relationship?

00:29:43.180 Of course.

00:29:43.560 Yeah.

00:29:43.800 Yeah, of course.

00:29:44.820 I think like when you first brought it to him, was he like on board or where?

00:29:48.760 So initially I, again, so I started webcamming that's pretty, and it was all implied.

00:29:53.880 So there wasn't any nudity that was for a while.

00:29:55.940 And I mean, I took my time with my career.

00:29:57.820 So it was a very slow progression into what ended it with just like boy girl scenes, but,

00:30:01.760 um, solo wasn't an issue.

00:30:03.800 And then I transitioned to girl, girl.

00:30:05.660 I did that for a while.

00:30:06.640 That's not an issue for most men.

00:30:08.100 So that wasn't really a conversation.

00:30:09.540 And then as that started to kind of kick up my career, I wanted to start shooting boy

00:30:15.260 girl scenes.

00:30:15.920 Initially he said, absolutely not.

00:30:17.820 And I wasn't motivated enough.

00:30:19.500 So I said, sure, I'm not going to do it.

00:30:21.160 That lasted a few years.

00:30:23.100 And then I got presented with a contract opportunity and those things were non-existent

00:30:27.840 at that time.

00:30:28.480 So back in the nineties, you had the contract girls and that kind of what is what leveraged 0.99

00:30:33.540 them and like, and their careers.

00:30:35.140 It went away.

00:30:35.920 It wasn't profitable and they were starting to bring it back.

00:30:38.560 So I got pitched that to start a competition.

00:30:40.840 And I was like, I know I'm going to win this thing.

00:30:42.960 What do you think?

00:30:43.740 And we talked about it for months before I actually shot it.

00:30:46.960 And if you look at the whole scope, it was like probably a two year conversation before

00:30:51.480 I made the jump.

00:30:52.180 Yeah.

00:30:52.620 And was he, so he was, it was a monogamous.

00:30:57.920 It was until I started shooting and then.

00:31:00.040 So like kind of open, I guess.

00:31:02.400 Well, so what I saw happening was like a lot of women were making such a harsh distinction 0.89

00:31:07.260 between sex that was for work versus like in their personal life.

00:31:12.500 So they expected their partner to be monogamous while they were shooting and their justification

00:31:16.600 was that it was work.

00:31:18.080 And while I do think there is a difference, it's still intimacy on some level.

00:31:23.280 And I saw those relationships never worked.

00:31:25.460 You have to have the same rules across the board.

00:31:27.380 So I said, if I'm going to do this, then we have to open up the whole thing for it to

00:31:31.180 be fair.

00:31:32.360 And did he, he was like dating other women at that point?

00:31:35.680 No, and he, no, he didn't.

00:31:37.160 I mean, he maybe used that privilege like once or twice.

00:31:40.620 Okay.

00:31:41.400 Yeah.

00:31:41.840 All right.

00:31:43.180 Uh, definitely really interesting though.

00:31:45.000 I mean, you were, you were in this relationship for the entire duration.

00:31:48.080 Stayed together, ended up getting married.

00:31:50.200 So, okay.

00:31:51.320 Uh, what about you, Lily?

00:31:53.020 Um, I'm single.

00:31:54.520 My longest relationship was probably just about two years.

00:31:59.220 Mm-hmm.

00:31:59.920 Um, what was the other question?

00:32:01.920 How long have you been single? 1.00

00:32:03.760 Um, shit. 1.00

00:32:05.560 Um, when did I, fuck. 1.00

00:32:08.280 It's probably like, wait, don't quote me on this. 0.99

00:32:10.440 I'm trying to like actually think on.

00:32:13.460 Maybe, maybe getting on for about four years now, three, four years.

00:32:17.020 Hmm.

00:32:17.680 Okay.

00:32:18.920 All right.

00:32:20.860 But the, the relationship was very on and off.

00:32:22.680 So I can't be like, oh, we broke up here and that.

00:32:24.700 Sure.

00:32:25.060 You know what I mean?

00:32:25.560 Sure.

00:32:25.820 It's a bit like, a bit rocky.

00:32:27.940 What about you?

00:32:29.380 Um, single, divorced.

00:32:31.800 All right.

00:32:32.260 Which do you prefer?

00:32:33.680 Uh, how long were you married for?

00:32:35.400 21 years.

00:32:36.640 And, uh, how long have you been divorced?

00:32:38.840 About a year.

00:32:39.980 A little over a year.

00:32:40.660 And wait, uh, how long were you together in total?

00:32:43.620 22.

00:32:44.140 22.

00:32:44.760 Okay.

00:32:45.540 So 22.

00:32:47.020 And you said, sorry, divorced for two years, you said?

00:32:49.300 It's been a, officially a year.

00:32:50.940 About a year.

00:32:51.120 Oh, one year.

00:32:51.900 Okay.

00:32:52.120 How long separated?

00:32:54.280 Um, the same.

00:32:55.380 Yeah.

00:32:55.500 Same amount of time?

00:32:56.400 Okay.

00:32:56.700 Yeah.

00:32:57.280 And, uh, who initiated the divorce?

00:32:59.720 I did.

00:33:00.260 Okay.

00:33:00.860 Did he see it coming or no?

00:33:02.340 Yes.

00:33:02.680 I was very, very communicative.

00:33:04.740 Even starting about three years prior.

00:33:06.880 Talking to him about just the fact that it was after deconstructing and realizing who,

00:33:10.860 more aligned with who I was, like, who am I apart from religion?

00:33:14.420 Who am I apart from the roles that I play?

00:33:17.160 And when you get to know yourself and you realize also getting married at 21, not really

00:33:22.020 a good choice.

00:33:23.080 Uh, you don't know yourself at 21.

00:33:25.020 So a lot had changed between the two of us.

00:33:27.620 And not only did I not feel it aligned to be married to him anymore, I just didn't feel

00:33:32.340 marriage was aligned for me at all.

00:33:33.840 I have a hard time with the construct of marriage.

00:33:35.980 So I am single.

00:33:37.380 I will be single.

00:33:37.900 I won't marry again.

00:33:39.040 Any kids?

00:33:39.860 Yes.

00:33:40.100 Three children.

00:33:40.800 Three children.

00:33:41.180 From him?

00:33:41.860 Yes.

00:33:42.880 And, um, I'm trying to think here.

00:33:45.520 Uh, are you polyamorous?

00:33:47.800 I don't consider myself polyamorous, um, only because that's not something I've actually

00:33:52.040 experienced yet.

00:33:52.840 I do consider myself ethically non-monogamous.

00:33:56.300 Ethically non-monogamous.

00:33:57.980 Okay.

00:33:58.240 So what's the, uh, distinction?

00:34:00.220 Um, so the way I would distinguish it, and this isn't textbook, um, polyamorous, you are

00:34:04.980 actually having more than one partnership, and it would be treated very much like a relationship.

00:34:09.780 There's more romantic experiences involved with both.

00:34:13.260 You have love for both.

00:34:15.080 Whereas for me, I'm very new out of the gate.

00:34:18.560 Now, even though we opened our marriage toward the end, and so there have been a lot of relational

00:34:22.240 aspects and things I've experienced, I have no desire personally right now to have myself

00:34:27.720 in a committed relationship, even with multiple people.

00:34:31.040 So right now, I see.

00:34:32.220 So, so just to, just to clarify, when you say polyamory, you mean it could be romantic,

00:34:38.920 other partners as well as your primary partner.

00:34:41.660 What you're talking about is that your marriage is open to the point where you're, you just

00:34:45.720 have sex with other people. 0.84

00:34:46.860 There's not a romantic intimacy involved in it.

00:34:49.280 Yeah, that's correct.

00:34:50.340 Okay.

00:34:51.060 Gotcha.

00:34:51.580 All right.

00:34:53.980 All right.

00:34:54.680 And have you been, I mean, you've been divorced for one year.

00:34:58.520 Have there been other men in the picture?

00:35:00.960 Just dating a little bit here and there.

00:35:02.900 Nothing serious, no.

00:35:03.820 Nothing serious.

00:35:04.620 But I mean, you were married for what, 21 years or something?

00:35:08.540 Yeah.

00:35:08.920 I mean, did you just go like ham, like, butcher, like, lower bounds or anything?

00:35:14.800 So we, several years before the divorce, we actually started down the route of partnering

00:35:21.300 with other couples and that came about because I've always known I was bisexual and even

00:35:25.960 told him prior to marriage that I was into other women and had been with other women.

00:35:31.420 But then you get into the construct of, oh, now we're in church and we're in ministry

00:35:34.620 and you get, you just have to put that in a box.

00:35:36.580 You can't like experience that.

00:35:38.080 So he knew that about me.

00:35:39.240 And so we started having conversations after deconstructing about that.

00:35:43.120 And the whole point was to actually bring in like a woman, but he put us on a swingers 0.98

00:35:48.340 website and I was like, oh, okay.

00:35:51.140 I'm very open-minded though, just as a person in general.

00:35:53.740 So I was like, yeah, whatever, we'll try it out.

00:35:55.840 So we did that for a little while.

00:35:58.120 It's not my jam.

00:35:59.180 It's a little too overstimulating.

00:36:00.580 There's just too many people involved.

00:36:02.600 But then we moved to more of an open relationship status.

00:36:07.940 And yeah, it's really hard for me because I care very much about the energetics of being

00:36:12.540 with someone. 0.98

00:36:13.040 And so for me, like one night stand or just finding somebody who's a good fuck, it's 0.98

00:36:16.160 not, I'm sorry, I'm trying not to cut. 0.86

00:36:17.840 Can you, can you help me with a timeline just, just a bit?

00:36:21.660 So with your, with the same sex attraction, were you experiencing that before you became

00:36:26.140 a pastor of ministry?

00:36:27.240 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:36:28.360 Absolutely.

00:36:28.780 Since I was, since I was 16, 17.

00:36:31.340 Yeah.

00:36:31.580 Were you sleeping with women before you became a pastor? 0.73

00:36:34.560 Before I got married, before I got married.

00:36:37.200 So yes, that would be before I was a pastor.

00:36:38.660 Absolutely.

00:36:39.680 Okay.

00:36:39.980 Got it.

00:36:40.300 And then the church, I remember you said it was non-denominational.

00:36:43.920 Mm-hmm.

00:36:44.760 Were they pretty accepting towards LGBTQ?

00:36:47.760 They were accepting, but it was, it was love the sin or not the sin.

00:36:53.620 So it was still considered absolutely wrong.

00:36:56.660 Okay.

00:36:57.160 Gotcha.

00:36:57.600 All right.

00:36:57.900 Thank you for clarifying.

00:36:58.640 Yeah.

00:36:58.720 Appreciate it.

00:36:59.940 And so you did swing during your marriage.

00:37:03.860 Yep.

00:37:04.340 Okay.

00:37:04.660 And you would go to swingers parties or were you just meet up with a couple and.

00:37:08.480 Meet up with couples more.

00:37:09.540 Yeah.

00:37:09.760 We tried a few different like clubs.

00:37:11.860 That's again.

00:37:12.940 I mean, how many different couples do you, did you swing with?

00:37:16.020 Um, that's a good question.

00:37:18.380 Maybe four.

00:37:20.280 Okay.

00:37:20.680 Four total.

00:37:21.280 I think.

00:37:21.780 Mm-hmm.

00:37:22.160 Sure.

00:37:22.600 All right.

00:37:22.860 Yeah.

00:37:23.520 All right.

00:37:24.120 Uh, what about you, Carly?

00:37:26.280 Um, like, okay, well, I'm single right now.

00:37:29.780 Yeah.

00:37:29.840 Yeah.

00:37:30.120 Okay.

00:37:30.140 Single.

00:37:30.600 How long have you been single for?

00:37:31.680 I've been single for like five months or it's been a while.

00:37:37.420 Um, my last relationship ended like over the summer and it was like five years.

00:37:42.400 Um, yeah.

00:37:46.000 Okay.

00:37:46.500 Who broke up with who?

00:37:47.720 Yeah.

00:37:48.160 He, yeah, he cheated on me with a teenager and an 18 year old.

00:37:52.400 Um.

00:37:53.300 So an adult?

00:37:54.380 Well, it was like right after, like he was waiting, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:38:01.660 Um, and so I found out and then I like punched him in the dick and then that was it. 1.00

00:38:06.740 You punched him in the dick? 1.00

00:38:08.260 Like literally? 1.00

00:38:09.180 No.

00:38:09.440 Like figuratively?

00:38:10.560 No, like literally, yeah. 1.00

00:38:12.860 Figuratively punched him in the dick. 1.00

00:38:14.500 Okay. 1.00

00:38:15.560 Nice. 0.99

00:38:16.420 In the balls?

00:38:17.160 Did the balls catch any? 0.78

00:38:18.500 I don't, I mean. 1.00

00:38:19.180 Or just the dick? 0.99

00:38:19.860 I don't know. 1.00

00:38:20.780 Just.

00:38:20.880 You don't know?

00:38:21.560 It was just a flash.

00:38:23.140 Okay.

00:38:23.340 The general area.

00:38:24.240 I mean.

00:38:24.700 Any rebounds?

00:38:25.580 Any other guys you've been seeing or?

00:38:27.280 Yeah.

00:38:27.800 I mean, I've been like kind of just going out and like doing whatever.

00:38:32.080 Cause I mean, catching up on five years is like, you know.

00:38:37.300 What do you mean by catching up on five years?

00:38:40.160 What does that mean?

00:38:41.480 Just like, well, basically like just going out on dates, like seeing different people

00:38:46.340 and like just kind of figuring out like what my type is and like how all that works out.

00:38:53.920 And I mean, kind of similar, like, I mean, I'm pan.

00:38:58.500 And so I've been out with like a bunch of different people and women and all of that.

00:39:03.180 And it's just been like good to, yeah.

00:39:06.660 Like catch up with the last five years.

00:39:08.940 Sure.

00:39:09.240 And do you have a roster currently?

00:39:11.320 A roster?

00:39:11.960 No.

00:39:12.000 Like are you kind of like dating multiple people or just?

00:39:14.920 Not right.

00:39:15.900 I don't know.

00:39:16.200 Previously.

00:39:17.180 Previously I had, I had a roster.

00:39:18.920 How big was the roster?

00:39:20.040 It wasn't that big.

00:39:20.940 It was like.

00:39:23.700 Okay.

00:39:25.880 Five, six.

00:39:27.600 Like, yeah.

00:39:29.000 Like maybe seven.

00:39:30.620 Seven.

00:39:31.180 Multiply it by three and that's the real number.

00:39:33.160 No, that's seven.

00:39:34.060 I mean, 21.

00:39:34.800 That's crazy.

00:39:35.060 The roster, but no, that's like too many people to keep up with.

00:39:38.940 Okay.

00:39:39.520 And then do you have a roster currently?

00:39:41.660 You got a roster?

00:39:42.620 Because you're E&M, right?

00:39:43.720 So.

00:39:43.920 I don't keep track.

00:39:44.800 Why would I keep track?

00:39:45.820 So it's, you can't even keep track, right?

00:39:48.400 It's like a hundred.

00:39:48.940 No, but I didn't have a roster before.

00:39:50.420 Oh, no.

00:39:51.060 On the roster.

00:39:51.400 It's not a hundred.

00:39:52.460 I have no idea.

00:39:54.400 Why do you know if it's not a hundred if you don't keep track?

00:39:57.140 Just because of time in, right?

00:39:58.720 So like how much time I've actually not been.

00:40:01.580 And I'm not having, I'm wildly under F'd.

00:40:04.240 So.

00:40:04.840 Wildly under F'd.

00:40:05.700 So you're celibate?

00:40:07.140 No, I'm just under F'd.

00:40:08.940 Oh, you, you are getting F'd, but not enough.

00:40:11.820 Accurate.

00:40:12.220 Under F'd.

00:40:13.120 When's the last time you got F'd?

00:40:14.540 Like a month ago. 1.00

00:40:15.860 Damn. 1.00

00:40:16.860 Girl. 1.00

00:40:17.440 Okay.

00:40:17.980 She's been celibate for a month.

00:40:19.460 Okay.

00:40:20.100 Wait, I'm sorry.

00:40:22.120 I'm confused.

00:40:23.460 Didn't she say you were married?

00:40:25.200 No, she's divorced. 1.00

00:40:25.660 Oh, you missed half of the conversation.

00:40:28.600 Yeah.

00:40:29.660 And so, but did you have a rebound?

00:40:32.220 No, you mean after I got divorced?

00:40:34.360 Yeah.

00:40:34.540 No, there's no rebound because we were already having sex with other people.

00:40:37.740 Oh.

00:40:37.960 So it was a very easy transition out.

00:40:39.940 Oh, not just the swinging. 0.98

00:40:41.120 You were like individually fucking other people during the- 0.97

00:40:43.480 No, there was like the swinging. 0.98

00:40:44.920 The swinging.

00:40:45.580 And then that ended and then it was open relationship.

00:40:47.980 During the marriage.

00:40:49.140 During the marriage.

00:40:49.620 For a period of it.

00:40:50.460 Correct.

00:40:51.220 And then you were, okay, you were seeing people then, I see.

00:40:54.020 Okay.

00:40:54.360 Yeah.

00:40:54.840 All right.

00:40:55.600 And was there a roster during the marriage?

00:41:00.380 We were monogamous up until that point, up until the swinging.

00:41:03.140 Yeah.

00:41:03.360 But so there's the swinging, then it was open.

00:41:05.700 During the open period, did you have a roster?

00:41:08.680 Just during the open period?

00:41:10.380 Or after, sure.

00:41:11.760 Oh.

00:41:12.020 Like how many different people were you kind of like simultaneously?

00:41:16.180 Oh, not at the same, oh, very few because I can't, I don't have time for that.

00:41:19.760 Like three, three, four.

00:41:20.140 Maybe two.

00:41:20.760 Okay, sure.

00:41:22.180 Relationship status for you?

00:41:23.840 I'm in a relationship with a guy for like eight months and he's awesome.

00:41:29.320 All right.

00:41:29.860 Longest relationship?

00:41:33.080 That's a tricky question.

00:41:34.440 I was like on and off with a guy for like 10 years.

00:41:37.140 He broke my heart.

00:41:38.200 And before my current relationship, I was single for four years and I had a roster, if

00:41:45.880 that's what you want to call it, but half of them were my exes because I don't like to

00:41:50.720 put my number up.

00:41:54.020 Recycling.

00:41:55.840 Basically.

00:41:56.840 So like 10 years.

00:41:57.640 And it wasn't always just about sex either.

00:41:59.740 It was all like emotional, like friendships.

00:42:03.340 Ever married?

00:42:03.660 I had to break up with all my boyfriends when I got my new one.

00:42:08.200 Wait, so you'd have, you would have a roster, like how many boyfriends would you have at

00:42:12.080 the same, concurrently?

00:42:13.440 Oh, I couldn't have boyfriends. 1.00

00:42:14.300 Okay, men you were letting stick their penis inside. 1.00

00:42:17.380 No, not really, actually. 0.99

00:42:18.720 It wasn't like that.

00:42:19.680 I mean, like some of them were, it was, how do you say?

00:42:25.680 Situation?

00:42:26.300 Yeah, like we were friends.

00:42:27.980 We liked each other.

00:42:29.060 I wasn't, yeah, I didn't like, not always.

00:42:31.320 Okay.

00:42:31.540 Um, some of them, sure, if they're having a bad day or something, but like.

00:42:35.620 They're having a bad day.

00:42:36.380 Yeah, like, I'm just, you know, I'm a server.

00:42:38.840 I'm here to serve everybody exactly what they deserve.

00:42:43.140 Like, just, I.

00:42:46.040 It's very charitable.

00:42:48.040 I'm serious.

00:42:48.840 Like, a lot of it's out of pity, too, you know, poor guys, like, having their heart. 0.95

00:42:54.080 Pity, pity sex is the, is the best sex a guy can do. 0.98

00:42:57.340 For them, for them. 0.92

00:42:58.960 It's just the best when she's kind of reluctantly.

00:43:01.940 Oh, it's just like, oh, I'm so, like, going through that.

00:43:05.380 Um, I wouldn't say like, um, I wouldn't say that.

00:43:10.680 Wait, I got to open this up to the panel.

00:43:12.340 Who here has done pity, done, given, I don't know, pity sex?

00:43:18.180 Absolutely.

00:43:18.540 To my husband.

00:43:19.360 I was married for 21 years.

00:43:21.060 Okay, she knows.

00:43:22.380 Sometimes you can tell the guy.

00:43:23.880 I can confidently say zero.

00:43:25.260 Never pity sex.

00:43:26.320 Zero.

00:43:26.660 Yeah.

00:43:26.880 When I was young.

00:43:28.240 Yeah. 0.69

00:43:29.060 When you were young, there was pity sex. 0.88

00:43:31.000 Lily? 0.98

00:43:31.620 Hell yeah.

00:43:31.840 I mean, the, do you think the hundred men is kind of, was that pity?

00:43:35.640 Some of them, I felt, I did feel bad for.

00:43:37.480 You felt bad for.

00:43:37.900 Because you can tell that they haven't shacked in a while.

00:43:40.400 They haven't what?

00:43:41.140 Shacked.

00:43:41.780 Shacked. 0.97

00:43:42.980 Shacked. 0.98

00:43:43.380 Yeah, there were definitely a couple virgins.

00:43:45.620 Um, what's that?

00:43:46.360 Definitely a couple virgins, though.

00:43:47.700 A couple virgins, okay. 1.00

00:43:49.120 Any other pity, sex, enjoyers? 0.99

00:43:52.040 Oh, I didn't say I enjoyed it. 0.90

00:43:53.440 Oh.

00:43:53.720 Yeah, I don't know if anybody enjoyed it.

00:43:55.540 Like, my whole family's watching this, so I'm trying to be a little bit, like.

00:43:58.980 Aw, you've already.

00:43:59.740 Oh, it's too late.

00:44:00.500 Yeah, it's over.

00:44:01.060 With that handle.

00:44:03.340 So, uh, let's see.

00:44:04.380 Any kids ever married?

00:44:06.200 No kids.

00:44:07.860 Never married.

00:44:08.620 All right.

00:44:09.680 Uh, what about you?

00:44:10.240 Uh, I've been in a relationship for almost two years.

00:44:14.200 Um, my longest relationship was five years.

00:44:16.780 And before my two-year relationship, I was single for about three.

00:44:20.960 All right, got it.

00:44:23.720 Uh, five-year relationship, who broke up with who?

00:44:26.060 Out of high school, he broke up with me.

00:44:28.920 And then we mutually got back together, and then we mutually broke up.

00:44:33.320 Okay, all right.

00:44:34.860 What about you?

00:44:36.160 Um, I'm going on my second year with my boyfriend.

00:44:40.000 I talked about him last time I was here.

00:44:42.720 Mm-hmm.

00:44:43.340 We, uh, we, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:45.380 We have...

00:44:48.360 Well, um...

00:44:55.080 You have what?

00:44:55.800 We have a bit of an age gap.

00:44:58.340 Okay, you're 22.

00:44:59.400 How old is he?

00:45:00.360 He's 41.

00:45:02.220 41?

00:45:02.840 Okay, so 19 years.

00:45:05.920 Longest relationship you've ever been in?

00:45:08.160 This one.

00:45:08.680 This one, two years.

00:45:09.960 Okay.

00:45:10.400 Any other relationships or no?

00:45:12.800 Um, no.

00:45:14.380 Okay.

00:45:15.080 What is he, uh...

00:45:15.920 Actually, no, that's fine.

00:45:17.560 All right, that's everybody's relationship status.

00:45:20.160 I'm going to read a chat here really quick.

00:45:22.040 Oh, whoops.

00:45:23.140 Not supposed to...

00:45:24.080 I don't know why that came through like that, but...

00:45:26.400 Uh, Jackson Woods.

00:45:28.860 Thank you, man.

00:45:29.940 Lily, I'm a John, and I would really love it if you started the hobby.

00:45:34.740 Please, at the very least, invite me to 1K peens per day.

00:45:41.300 In a day, Ava, please tell Blackton Vixen to show men eating out... 0.99

00:45:46.620 Damn, y'all crazy. 0.99

00:45:48.280 It's really aggressive. 1.00

00:45:50.700 Uh, yeah.

00:45:51.340 Thank you, uh, Jackson Woods for that.

00:45:53.800 Uh, Lily, do you want to respond?

00:45:55.800 John, please, next time, just send the 100 tip my way.

00:45:58.660 I disavow that.

00:46:02.000 All right, thank you, Jackson.

00:46:03.480 Appreciate it, man.

00:46:04.180 Um, all right, we do need to get into some of the pre-show notes, so why don't we start

00:46:08.920 with, uh, let's start with Ayla.

00:46:12.640 Uh, let's see, sorry, one sec.

00:46:14.640 Let me...

00:46:15.260 There's so much.

00:46:16.580 Uh, so Ayla, you were homeschooled from birth, uh, to the end of high school.

00:46:21.140 Your parents were, uh, evangelical fundamentalist Christians in Idaho?

00:46:26.340 Mm-hmm.

00:46:26.540 Is this like Westboro Baptist or no?

00:46:28.660 Oh, we thought they were cool, but we were not Westboro.

00:46:31.740 But, like, kind of similar?

00:46:33.480 Uh, yeah, I would say there's a spectrum from, like, normal Christian to Westboro.

00:46:37.120 We were, like, probably 70% of the way.

00:46:38.580 Close to the Westboro, okay.

00:46:40.600 Uh, you said...

00:46:41.160 We were Calvinist.

00:46:42.260 Calvinist, okay.

00:46:43.340 You said after leaving home, uh, losing your faith and failing to attend college, you turned 0.95

00:46:48.060 to a series of shitty jobs involving, uh, like, factory work, waking up 4 a.m. 0.76

00:46:52.940 You escaped from that into the warm, wet embrace of, uh, adult content.

00:46:58.160 Which you used to fund dives into faraway realms, both physical and psychedelic.

00:47:04.460 You did a documentary or two.

00:47:06.560 You spent a year, uh, somehow getting addicted to LSD.

00:47:10.900 And you did become one of the top OnlyFans creators until your attention span ran out.

00:47:15.720 I believe that was the bio on your website.

00:47:17.620 Yes.

00:47:18.280 Um, and you've done escorting.

00:47:20.580 Uh, we talked about the shower thing.

00:47:22.360 We won't, we don't need to touch on that.

00:47:24.020 Um, and you've been involved in sex work since, you said 2017, was it, or?

00:47:29.540 Uh, since I was 20.

00:47:30.800 Since you were 20.

00:47:31.620 Yeah.

00:47:31.700 Okay.

00:47:32.360 Gotcha.

00:47:33.340 And, uh, your dad was super conservative.

00:47:35.620 Yes.

00:47:36.100 Professionally so.

00:47:36.940 And, uh, I watched most of your interview with Lex Friedman.

00:47:41.020 It was really interesting.

00:47:42.300 Um, you said you grew up in a very patriarchal, uh, I guess household.

00:47:47.300 Yeah.

00:47:47.640 Where, and, uh, to quote you, you said women were subordinate to men in regards to making

00:47:53.220 decisions when married.

00:47:54.300 Um, and so I was curious on this.

00:47:57.060 Um, I, it sounds like you kind of disagree with this sort of sentiment.

00:48:01.220 Uh, I guess maybe a jumping off point and we can get into more broad general conversations

00:48:05.940 related to that.

00:48:07.380 Um, does anybody kind of agree with her when it comes to like, should women be subordinate 1.00

00:48:12.200 to men when married?

00:48:15.040 Ask Kanye West.

00:48:19.600 Didn't he just show us, that's like being subordinate, right?

00:48:22.840 What?

00:48:23.100 His naked wife on the Grammy red carpet, she submitted to him to do that. 1.00

00:48:29.180 Allegedly that's her idea. 0.91

00:48:30.720 Like she, she really enjoys being naked in what I hear.

00:48:35.200 Pre Kanye West, there was, uh, not a lot that was stopping that woman from taking her clothes 1.00

00:48:39.240 off for anybody who she could take them off for, for a camera.

00:48:42.320 So just pointing that out.

00:48:43.540 I think subordinate's an interesting word.

00:48:45.260 I do like, I, I do believe that men should be the leader in most situations and relationships.

00:48:50.220 But when I look at marriage specifically, it's, um, I hate the word partner cause it's like

00:48:56.700 so co-opted, but you're supposed to be complimentary to each other, right?

00:49:00.500 Like we bring out the best and we demand the best out of each other.

00:49:03.600 So I think women are really good soundboard for men and the, the best relationships, they 0.98

00:49:08.380 take advice from each other.

00:49:09.420 But I do think that there needs to be a leader in the relationship and it typically should

00:49:13.060 be the man.

00:49:13.760 Does anybody agree with that?

00:49:15.300 I agree with that.

00:49:16.480 Or do you guys think?

00:49:17.860 I don't know what the S word means.

00:49:20.140 Subordinate?

00:49:20.660 Yeah.

00:49:20.840 Um, like a, basically coming underneath, like deferring would be, I guess you could

00:49:27.280 say, um, but does anybody here, just subordination would be an underling.

00:49:32.420 So like if you're, uh, if you're at a, uh, you got to work, right?

00:49:35.780 You got a boss, uh, he's the boss, you're the subordinate.

00:49:39.780 Thank you.

00:49:40.580 So who agrees with, uh, Candace?

00:49:44.420 Like, should the man be the leader or do you guys view things more 50, 50?

00:49:47.900 Well, my boyfriend, why don't we just go around the table?

00:49:50.120 Okay.

00:49:50.300 We'll start with you.

00:49:51.200 What do you think?

00:49:52.460 So, hmm, I think it depends on the relationship.

00:49:56.240 I think that some women can lead well and some men can. 0.65

00:49:59.620 I remember last time I was saying that in my own relationship, I like it to be traditional,

00:50:04.860 but I support women, other women having the choice to be in a complementarian relationship

00:50:11.980 or an egalitarian relationship.

00:50:13.880 And I think the live chat, cause I can't see it now, but last time I was here on the

00:50:19.300 live chat, they kept saying that I wanted the good parts of feminism for myself. 1.00

00:50:24.140 And I was trying to promote the bad, quote unquote, bad parts to the rest of the female 1.00

00:50:31.820 population.

00:50:32.880 But that's not the case.

00:50:34.180 It's just like how I have respect for people who are of a different religion than me.

00:50:38.680 Then that doesn't mean that I'm contradicting myself.

00:50:42.000 I respect their right to make that choice to believe in what they do.

00:50:46.520 What's the nature of your relationship?

00:50:50.220 Well, I'm kind of like stay at home and he is the breadwinner.

00:50:54.700 Sure.

00:50:54.980 Going around the table, what about you?

00:50:55.960 Um, I also think that when I think of a man, I think of someone masculine that kind of takes

00:51:01.700 care of you in a sense, more traditional.

00:51:04.520 Um, I definitely am a little more outspoken.

00:51:07.380 So if we can banter back and forth and do things like that and have a say in what we're

00:51:13.180 doing together, it's, um, better.

00:51:16.460 Um, but for the most part, I, I think that a man should lead and be more masculine and,

00:51:23.740 and, and just take care of you.

00:51:26.260 Sure.

00:51:26.520 What about you?

00:51:30.340 Um, it's a tricky question.

00:51:33.520 I think it's all circumstantial and every individual relationships are different.

00:51:38.000 And how do you want your relationship to be?

00:51:40.060 My relationship, I am.

00:51:41.820 Um, I'm here on this podcast and my boyfriend was not down.

00:51:50.080 So like, but also like I paid for it all myself.

00:51:54.400 So unless like, you know, he was paying all the bills and stuff, maybe like I would consider

00:52:00.840 not coming onto the podcast, but since I'm, it's 50, 50, then like I can kind of do what

00:52:07.360 I want.

00:52:08.060 Okay.

00:52:08.420 What about you?

00:52:08.980 Carly?

00:52:09.200 Carly?

00:52:10.460 Yeah.

00:52:10.980 Um, I think it really depends on the maturity levels of each partner.

00:52:16.340 Um, but personally, I think that everybody kind of has to have their own independence within

00:52:22.560 a relationship, like just in terms of like everyone has their responsibilities and like,

00:52:28.100 but it really does just depend on the relationship and like how each person is.

00:52:34.740 Once, once we go around, I'm going to ask like a really specific question.

00:52:38.080 I think that we'll kind of get to the heart of the issue.

00:52:40.600 What about you though?

00:52:41.740 Yes, I agree.

00:52:42.480 Except again, there's so many caveats because there's all this pressure on men to, oh,

00:52:46.200 be the leader, but men don't even know themselves.

00:52:48.240 So you're asking them to do something they don't know how to do and they haven't been

00:52:50.840 taught to do.

00:52:51.380 So this is why we get into all of the mix of the problems of what you see in a relationship

00:52:55.240 of the woman doesn't want to follow the lead because the lead doesn't know how to 1.00

00:52:58.020 lead and then she can't trust the lead. 1.00

00:52:59.460 And then it's a shit show. 1.00

00:53:00.400 Sure. 1.00

00:53:00.660 Lily?

00:53:01.260 I think it's really circumstantial, but in my personal relationship, I would like a

00:53:05.300 50-50.

00:53:06.040 50-50.

00:53:06.720 Carly, it looked like you want to jump in really quick or?

00:53:09.180 Yeah, I was just saying that like, I like totally agree with that.

00:53:11.660 Agree with it.

00:53:12.220 Got it.

00:53:12.820 I think you already kind of talked about it.

00:53:14.740 Ayla, I guess your position on this topic, if you want to elaborate a bit.

00:53:19.080 I just don't know what should means.

00:53:20.500 Like should for what purpose?

00:53:22.400 What do you mean?

00:53:23.260 Like, like should you jump up and down?

00:53:25.600 And I'm like, well, you should you do that in order to achieve what goal?

00:53:28.240 Like, shoulds are a contingent.

00:53:30.340 He doesn't like, you know, like mean should is like an ought.

00:53:33.200 He's talking in the commons.

00:53:35.020 So when you're talking about like should and you're doing the little like autistic Hedberg 0.99

00:53:38.520 thing, I know exactly what you're doing.

00:53:41.520 It's a very low tier form of philosophy.

00:53:44.640 He's saying should in the commons.

00:53:46.200 He's not saying should as an ought statement of a moral imperative.

00:53:49.540 What is a slightly higher tier of philosophy that you would recommend I try?

00:53:52.920 Well, I would I would start with understanding that you're not in a philosophical engagement

00:53:58.800 at the moment unless you see everything purely as a philosophical engagement and that there

00:54:03.440 are you would have to agree with me that you distinguish between words in the commons

00:54:06.900 and you distinguish between words which have philosophical terms.

00:54:10.380 So if somebody is engaging with you, for instance, a medical doctor or a lawyer, they're

00:54:14.120 going to use legal terms or medical terms.

00:54:15.800 They're going to have a different meaning than the common terms of those words or the

00:54:19.000 philosophical terms.

00:54:19.860 So when you say I don't know what should means, I actually don't believe you in this

00:54:23.320 context.

00:54:23.860 I think you know exactly what he means by should.

00:54:26.980 This is the way that I talk all the time and sort of the question that I would ask anytime

00:54:30.980 somebody asks me if somebody should do anything.

00:54:34.840 Yeah.

00:54:35.220 And I just explained to you that there's a distinction here.

00:54:38.720 I still don't understand what should means in this context.

00:54:42.260 So I should mean in any context.

00:54:44.140 Well, it's usually dependent on something, right?

00:54:47.320 Okay.

00:54:47.600 Like, should I go to the store?

00:54:48.700 I'm like, well, if you're hungry.

00:54:49.860 So dependent on this context, what do you think should means?

00:54:53.340 Like, my guess is probably there's some implicit, like, to be happy kind of thing.

00:54:57.060 But I don't know if this is true.

00:54:58.160 Okay.

00:54:58.420 Well, then we'll go with that.

00:55:00.360 I would like to check, though.

00:55:01.680 Like, is that what we mean?

00:55:02.840 Because if so, then I can answer.

00:55:05.820 Yeah.

00:55:06.240 So can you even repeat what the question was?

00:55:07.980 But it's also different because sometimes people argue the purpose of, like, some types

00:55:11.560 of social structures is not to be happy, but rather to have, like, a flourishing society

00:55:15.500 or something.

00:55:16.060 Yeah, like, I'm fine getting into semantics with you when it comes to should, but can you

00:55:20.500 repeat what the question even was?

00:55:22.720 Should men lead their wives or some variation on that? 0.97

00:55:26.400 Yeah.

00:55:26.600 Yeah.

00:55:26.780 So he's asking from your worldview, whatever that is.

00:55:29.740 I believe you say that you're a rationalist.

00:55:31.540 So from whatever your rational worldview is, the should sense here is ought they or ought they

00:55:37.960 not lead wives? 1.00

00:55:39.700 For what purpose?

00:55:40.520 I can't get over the what purpose.

00:55:42.660 Like, for happiness, I think probably a lot of people would be happier if their husbands 1.00

00:55:46.060 led them.

00:55:46.780 This seems true.

00:55:48.300 Okay.

00:55:49.540 I don't think I would be that much happier, but I am not normal.

00:55:55.900 Okay.

00:55:56.340 So then should they or should they not?

00:55:59.260 Ought they or ought they not for the purpose of happiness?

00:56:02.060 You sound very confident in the things that you say, but I'm not sure that makes you more

00:56:05.540 right.

00:56:05.780 It doesn't make you more right because you don't understand the things I say either.

00:56:12.780 So I would just like an answer when you're talking about ought or ought not, ought they

00:56:16.740 or ought they not for the purpose of happiness?

00:56:18.560 I can't answer. 0.96

00:56:19.500 I mean, maybe I'm very stupid and maybe you could explain this to me, but you're saying 0.96

00:56:23.800 ought is a common use. 0.96

00:56:24.780 I'll use really a small word.

00:56:26.380 Yeah.

00:56:26.700 You can use very small baby words for me because my small little brain has difficulty sometimes.

00:56:31.480 But when you're saying should ought they lead their wives, do you mean that there's like

00:56:37.460 a general sort of way that the world is good if it is and bad if it isn't, and you're referring

00:56:41.940 to like a general sense of goodness?

00:56:43.900 No, I'm not inferring or making an implication for anything.

00:56:47.080 This is an askance from the worldview of you who is not me.

00:56:49.940 Whatever your worldview is, who is not me, from your worldview that is not mine, ought men 0.96

00:56:55.700 lead their wives. 0.61

00:56:58.820 I'm trying to communicate my view and my view is something like I think that some people

00:57:02.300 would be happier if their husbands led them and some people would be sadder if their husbands 0.87

00:57:05.740 led them.

00:57:06.500 I'm not sure that there's such a thing as an overarching goodness.

00:57:10.380 So I don't really...

00:57:10.940 Got it.

00:57:11.440 Okay.

00:57:11.900 So sometimes.

00:57:12.940 Thank you.

00:57:13.400 Appreciate that.

00:57:14.220 Yeah.

00:57:15.500 Thanks for clarifying.

00:57:19.140 Well, that was an interesting exchange.

00:57:21.380 I do have a question related to this, though, to, again, perhaps get to the heart of the

00:57:25.620 issue.

00:57:26.440 Who gets final say?

00:57:27.620 So in a relationship or marriage, whatever, let's say there's some sort of impasse.

00:57:31.860 There is no resolution.

00:57:33.180 You can't come.

00:57:34.900 You know, you want one thing.

00:57:36.360 He wants the other.

00:57:37.680 Who should get final say?

00:57:39.120 Whoever pays.

00:57:40.280 Hold on.

00:57:40.940 Um, so, and I think, Andrew, sometimes you refer to this as a threshold breaker, I think.

00:57:47.520 But who do you think gets final say?

00:57:50.940 Or would you, I guess, either in your own dynamics, who should get final say?

00:57:55.220 What do you think?

00:57:56.040 Starting with you, Ayla.

00:57:57.980 Like, it depends on the thing.

00:58:00.100 I'm confused.

00:58:00.720 Like, if you're disagreeing over, like, where should we move?

00:58:03.200 Sure.

00:58:04.800 I don't know.

00:58:05.420 Probably you should bet on it or, like, see who would want to pay more given that you

00:58:09.640 had the money.

00:58:10.140 Or make prediction markets to figure out.

00:58:12.240 I don't know.

00:58:12.740 I don't think I operate by these norms.

00:58:14.260 But I know a lot of people do.

00:58:15.360 Sure.

00:58:17.020 What do you think?

00:58:18.060 I think it's going to depend on the situation.

00:58:20.700 Obviously, you have to respect the person that you're with.

00:58:22.980 So to do something that is going to damage the relationship or blatantly disrespect the

00:58:27.420 other person is not going to end up.

00:58:29.040 You're not going to end up with a thriving relationship.

00:58:31.420 But it's like nothing's without consequence at the same time.

00:58:36.460 So it's trusting your gut.

00:58:38.840 Like, if you trust your husband fully and he's like, this is a terrible idea, maybe consider

00:58:43.080 the option that you're wrong and that he's right and vice versa.

00:58:45.640 So if you're telling him not to do something, and this happens a lot.

00:58:49.040 If you talk to anyone in business, the wife will be like, that person had a really sketchy 0.62

00:58:53.280 feeling.

00:58:53.880 I don't think that this investment is good.

00:58:55.660 The dude ignores the woman's intuition and the thing just, like, crumbles, right?

00:58:59.300 So it's looking at the history of the relationship, too.

00:59:01.740 It's like, how often has he been right about this thing and you've been wrong and vice versa?

00:59:05.560 Andrew, if I could have you jump in really quick, do you want to provide, like, maybe

00:59:08.480 a good example of, like, an impasse sort of situation that could arise in, like, a relationship

00:59:14.380 or marriage, just for use as an example here?

00:59:18.840 Well, I mean, a very common one is just money.

00:59:21.480 So the idea of how money is used in or spent in a relationship versus not spent in a relationship

00:59:26.660 is one of the number one disagreements that men and women have.

00:59:30.240 So the idea is, if you can't come to an agreement on how money is spent or what school the kid

00:59:35.920 should go to, which might infer spending money as well, right?

00:59:39.700 Ultimately, there's only two of you, right?

00:59:42.060 So either a third party has to break this threshold barrier or one of you ultimately has to be

00:59:49.500 the decider.

00:59:50.660 Otherwise, how do you, essentially, how do you come to an agreement if both of you disagree?

00:59:57.740 Like, how is that done if one person ultimately doesn't end up with the final say?

01:00:03.080 I don't think one person holds that position permanently.

01:00:06.840 So, and then it's also going to be who acts on it first.

01:00:09.440 So typically, women are the ones that set all of the appointments, pay the school tuition 1.00

01:00:13.480 if they're going to a private school, set up the doctor's appointments.

01:00:16.600 They make 60 to 80 percent of all of the household purchases.

01:00:20.240 So if you're just looking at behavior, you'd say women are, but that could be the man saying

01:00:25.120 no and they're just making that decision anyways.

01:00:27.740 I'm not really sure that any of that would matter, though.

01:00:29.980 So I understand what you're saying.

01:00:30.600 It's what's being acted on right now, right?

01:00:32.680 So like whether or not that's right or that's helpful for a healthy relationship, like that's

01:00:38.180 a whole different conversation.

01:00:39.480 But what is happening is women are... 1.00

01:00:41.780 I'm not sure it's actually pertinent to what I'm saying, though.

01:00:43.980 So I understand what your position is.

01:00:45.800 You're saying, hey, look, you know, women already have lots of household responsibilities 1.00

01:00:50.480 and so they're in a decision-making role already.

01:00:53.360 We're not really discussing that, though.

01:00:54.800 No, I'm saying that they're actually executing the decision already.

01:00:59.020 Yeah, well, they're executing the decision at the behest of the husband, though, right?

01:01:03.580 So this is the consent of the husband, essentially, is going into this decision-making meeting.

01:01:08.020 She's doing the day-to-day activities because he's saying you should do these day-to-day activities, right?

01:01:13.160 He doesn't have any disagreement with that.

01:01:15.000 But it's when there's disagreement within that, who becomes the arbiter of it?

01:01:19.560 How do we find this threshold breaker between two people for who makes the determination

01:01:25.560 or who has the ultimate say?

01:01:27.440 Again, I don't think anyone holds that permanently, so it's trusting your partner.

01:01:33.100 I don't know.

01:01:33.520 Yeah, I'm not saying that, well, okay, if they don't hold it permanently, right,

01:01:39.400 but let's say the man considers himself to be in the position of authority

01:01:42.860 and hasn't been in the position of authority, right,

01:01:46.680 this still doesn't really get to the heart of the question of if there's a disagreement

01:01:50.060 and they can't reconcile it.

01:01:52.040 You say, well, the man doesn't hold that permanently.

01:01:54.560 It's like, okay, great.

01:01:56.060 But what I'm saying is when you can't reconcile the disagreement, you both disagree,

01:02:00.300 who gets to ultimately make the decision?

01:02:02.900 Whether you think that it's a permanent basis for a man to be in control of it or not,

01:02:08.340 I'm not even sure that's relevant, really.

01:02:11.760 Well, because the question seems that it's permanent, so maybe I'm misunderstanding of it.

01:02:16.380 But if you're saying who's in charge and who is responsible for the deal breaker,

01:02:19.740 that sounds like who is always responsible for the deal breaker.

01:02:22.420 No, not really.

01:02:23.500 So what the question is asking is if two people, since most relationships anyway are two people,

01:02:30.380 I understand that there's polyamorous people here in this type of thing,

01:02:33.500 but that's outside of what you would consider the norm for society.

01:02:37.580 It's usually man, woman, that's it, right? 0.97

01:02:40.420 And people generally tend to not like to share their partners.

01:02:43.640 You can dispute why that is, sexual liberation, whatever,

01:02:46.800 but it is a fact that most people are in monogamous relationships, one man, one woman, most.

01:02:52.540 That's globally.

01:02:53.260 That's not even just in the West.

01:02:54.900 So if that is the case and you have a disagreement, can't reconcile it, right,

01:03:01.280 how do you figure out who ultimately is going to have the say?

01:03:06.680 I don't know.

01:03:07.160 I mean, I've been in a relationship for 15 years and that's never happened.

01:03:10.260 There's never been a decision that there was an impasse.

01:03:12.780 And if there was anything that was even close to that,

01:03:16.060 we tabled it until there was a mutual decision.

01:03:19.560 Yeah, but the problem is, is like, what if it's not a mutual decision?

01:03:24.200 It's like, no, I'm not backing down on this.

01:03:25.840 Well, then how well do they really communicate?

01:03:28.180 How well do they really communicate?

01:03:29.580 Because the reality is if you care about the person,

01:03:32.140 especially you're talking about specifically a marriage,

01:03:33.780 the whole goal of conversations where you disagree

01:03:36.320 is to let the other person feel heard, understood, and respected.

01:03:39.880 And if both people are receiving that and there's safety involved,

01:03:42.800 you're going to be able, maybe not that moment, maybe not that day,

01:03:45.980 to come to a conclusion that feels really good to the both of you

01:03:48.500 where it doesn't have to be, it's my say-so because I say-so and I'm the lead.

01:03:52.240 And I think that's where the ego gets in there and it can go wildly wrong.

01:03:56.400 Whereas a man who, if we're going back to the man that's leading,

01:03:59.880 and a man and his healthy masculinity, it doesn't come from a place of ego.

01:04:03.320 It comes from a very confident place where he knows who he is

01:04:06.360 and he cares very much for the other, for the partner, for the wife.

01:04:10.160 And so he gives a whole lot of hex, I cuss a lot, so I should have filtered,

01:04:15.800 about her being on board with him.

01:04:18.180 So it's a mutual exchange of, again, being heard, understood, and respected.

01:04:22.180 There's not going to be this, okay, I get the final say.

01:04:24.340 That's like a child, which is unhealthy,

01:04:26.780 but that is like a child-parent relationship to me.

01:04:29.960 Oh, okay.

01:04:31.100 Well, that's nice and all, but it doesn't actually answer the question.

01:04:34.960 So I understand that you're saying there should be mutual respect,

01:04:38.580 we should both feel heard, we should both discuss things, etc., etc.

01:04:43.020 Okay, great.

01:04:44.280 So you've discussed everything and, you know, he still disagrees with you.

01:04:48.040 And thanks, no, you're incorrect,

01:04:49.700 and I'm just really not willing to budge on this.

01:04:52.600 So either we have one of two choices, right?

01:04:55.220 Either the relationship is over because you won't budge,

01:04:59.720 or he won't budge, or you won't concede, or what?

01:05:04.840 What's the other option?

01:05:06.320 You would have to concede to the authority, right?

01:05:08.740 Like, I don't see any way around it.

01:05:10.500 I don't understand this, though.

01:05:11.680 I thought relationships were all about compromise.

01:05:14.080 Yeah, I think the answer that you're looking for would be answered

01:05:16.420 if you gave us, like, a specific scenario

01:05:19.200 instead of just being, like, who gets final say?

01:05:23.060 Because it, like...

01:05:24.280 Super rules.

01:05:25.400 Yes, way too.

01:05:26.640 Like, if you ask a very specific, like, give us a specific scenario,

01:05:30.900 like, I think you'll get the answers that you're looking for.

01:05:33.680 I mean, the specific scenario wouldn't even be relevant,

01:05:37.120 but I could just give you one just to give you one, I guess.

01:05:40.040 Yeah, I think that would...

01:05:40.960 So there's money.

01:05:41.820 There's money.

01:05:42.660 There's an inheritance of $100,000, okay?

01:05:45.260 It's left to both of the members of the household, not just one, okay?

01:05:48.840 And they're arguing about how to spend it.

01:05:51.300 And the man is saying, okay, listen, I've heard all of your reasoning.

01:05:55.400 I've heard all of your everything, right?

01:05:57.760 I'm hearing you, right?

01:05:59.660 I'm compassionate towards you, but also, no,

01:06:02.020 we're going to spend it on this instead.

01:06:04.900 That is not a relationship.

01:06:06.840 Why would it not just be split?

01:06:07.920 I don't...

01:06:08.720 To me, it's sent to both of them.

01:06:10.300 It's $100,000.

01:06:11.000 They each get 50, and they can do what they want with it.

01:06:13.080 Yeah, and also, in this scenario, are there kids?

01:06:16.220 Yeah, so he's saying no, right?

01:06:17.900 He's saying, look...

01:06:18.860 Well, that's kind of...

01:06:19.640 No.

01:06:20.760 He's saying no.

01:06:21.740 I don't want it split.

01:06:23.500 I want it going towards whatever this household thing is.

01:06:26.180 So already, I don't have respect for the person doing that.

01:06:28.640 Yeah.

01:06:29.500 That's a divorce. 1.00

01:06:30.620 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:31.660 This seems like such a stupid question. 1.00

01:06:33.080 Yeah, it's about respect, not about... 1.00

01:06:35.420 You can't just give one person ultimate power,

01:06:39.360 and it really, once again, depends on the situation.

01:06:42.080 Like, it's a partnership.

01:06:44.020 It's a relationship.

01:06:45.640 You both talk about it,

01:06:47.180 and, like, depending on the situation,

01:06:49.000 yeah, maybe someone will make the final say,

01:06:51.300 but it depends,

01:06:52.560 and you still have to have that conversation,

01:06:54.340 and you still have to have that respect.

01:06:56.340 Yeah, so then in this situation,

01:06:58.500 we're talking about authority then, right?

01:07:01.100 The man really doesn't have any authority

01:07:03.360 because, ultimately, if he says,

01:07:06.080 listen, this is super important to me,

01:07:07.920 and I know it's super important to you, too,

01:07:10.080 right, but I'm not willing to budge on it

01:07:12.040 because I really think I'm right here,

01:07:14.340 you feel in that instance

01:07:15.720 it's totally appropriate for you to,

01:07:17.540 and I quote,

01:07:18.560 get it that that's a divorce, right?

01:07:20.440 So then this would infer

01:07:22.280 that you actually have a lot of power

01:07:24.360 in this situation,

01:07:25.660 a lot of power in this dynamic

01:07:26.900 that a man wouldn't have or wouldn't exercise.

01:07:29.780 So if that's the case, right,

01:07:31.820 it would basically make men want to steer clear 0.73

01:07:34.460 of marriages like that, right,

01:07:35.880 because the position of authority

01:07:37.620 would not actually be there.

01:07:39.080 Yeah, well, I'm saying divorce

01:07:40.440 in terms of if he came up to you

01:07:42.340 and he was like,

01:07:43.240 this is what we're doing,

01:07:44.440 you don't get a say,

01:07:45.540 like, that's how you kind of, like,

01:07:47.420 or that's what I took from it

01:07:49.040 the first time that you mentioned that.

01:07:50.360 No, that's not the,

01:07:50.680 that's not, no,

01:07:51.680 he listened to what you had to say,

01:07:54.040 everything you had to say.

01:07:55.340 Yeah, because if-

01:07:55.780 He just thinks that what you had to say

01:07:57.520 is incorrect,

01:07:58.180 and that ultimately it needs to go

01:08:00.980 the way that he wants it to go

01:08:02.480 because he thinks you're incorrect.

01:08:04.340 So if that is the case, right,

01:08:06.960 then we're still,

01:08:07.680 if we're still in divorce territory,

01:08:09.280 then what you're doing is-

01:08:09.940 I never said we're still

01:08:11.040 in divorce territory. 0.95

01:08:12.100 I would say that you have to,

01:08:13.200 have to recognize everyone's skill set, right?

01:08:15.700 So let's say that the woman 0.76

01:08:17.020 tends to be better with money

01:08:19.060 in this example

01:08:19.960 and the man is better,

01:08:22.580 I don't know,

01:08:24.920 let's say he's like a contractor,

01:08:26.620 so he's not into investing

01:08:27.860 and the conversation is around

01:08:29.660 like what do we do

01:08:30.380 with this inheritance.

01:08:31.460 So if historically speaking

01:08:33.660 she's been more accurate

01:08:34.780 and more well-versed in finances,

01:08:36.480 that would probably go to her. 0.60

01:08:38.160 And then if it was something

01:08:38.900 in his wheelhouse,

01:08:40.040 so it's just dependent

01:08:41.040 on the person's specialty,

01:08:42.320 I think is probably-

01:08:43.200 Yeah, but that's not what's in dispute.

01:08:44.840 It's not in dispute

01:08:46.080 that these two people

01:08:47.340 would have a variety of skills,

01:08:49.000 all those skills

01:08:49.580 could be variously applied,

01:08:51.060 there could be skills

01:08:51.620 she's far better at than him.

01:08:52.840 The hypothetical is looking towards

01:08:55.520 we're not able to compromise

01:08:57.440 on this one thing,

01:08:59.520 whatever it is.

01:09:00.440 We're not able to come to an agreement, right?

01:09:04.260 We're just not able to.

01:09:06.260 So this would again state

01:09:09.260 that there would have to either be

01:09:10.560 somebody makes the concession, right?

01:09:14.480 Or you part ways.

01:09:16.020 I don't see a way around that exactly.

01:09:19.060 Right, but then earlier you said

01:09:20.300 no one's holding that position permanently,

01:09:22.040 but you want one answer,

01:09:23.840 like absolutely.

01:09:24.720 It's either absolutely the man

01:09:26.040 or absolutely the woman,

01:09:27.040 and then everyone that's asking

01:09:28.020 for context.

01:09:28.440 No, no, no, no.

01:09:29.580 This is a critique.

01:09:30.420 That was a critique of your worldview.

01:09:31.900 So I just conceded that

01:09:33.080 even if it was the case

01:09:34.360 that they did not,

01:09:36.580 that both parties did not

01:09:37.740 permanently hold this position,

01:09:39.640 it still isn't an answer

01:09:40.340 to the question of

01:09:41.340 when you hit this impasse, right?

01:09:43.940 How do you deal with it

01:09:44.960 when one won't compromise

01:09:46.240 because they both think

01:09:47.820 that they're right?

01:09:48.780 One person would have to ultimately

01:09:50.420 be the person who was conceded to.

01:09:52.880 Right, and it's whoever excels

01:09:54.000 in that dominion.

01:09:54.920 So again, if it's finances,

01:09:58.020 typically that ends up being

01:09:59.160 the man, traditionally speaking.

01:10:00.900 So if it has to do with money,

01:10:02.200 it's going to be the man.

01:10:03.080 If it has to do with the kids

01:10:03.900 or people, I would say it's the woman. 0.99

01:10:06.000 Then you're taking

01:10:07.260 the feminist position. 0.99

01:10:08.560 How's that feminist? 1.00

01:10:09.880 Because what you're doing

01:10:10.840 is you're saying

01:10:11.460 that there's a shared authority.

01:10:13.560 There's not.

01:10:13.920 It's not necessarily authority

01:10:16.060 and I think that there is

01:10:16.860 a difference between

01:10:17.600 leadership and authority.

01:10:18.760 Leadership is looking for counsel

01:10:20.300 and it's not just dismissing

01:10:21.860 anyone else.

01:10:22.540 How can you have authority

01:10:23.800 or leadership with no authority?

01:10:26.020 I don't even know

01:10:26.700 how that's done.

01:10:28.440 It's relationship.

01:10:29.040 Leadership to me implies

01:10:30.640 that there's authority,

01:10:31.900 that people are seeing you

01:10:33.620 as an authority of some kind,

01:10:35.340 they're looking to you

01:10:36.160 as an authority of some kind.

01:10:37.340 I'm not even sure

01:10:37.980 that you can have leadership

01:10:38.820 because you're instilling respect

01:10:40.160 and in that respect

01:10:41.100 the person is choosing to follow.

01:10:42.820 That's the difference.

01:10:43.920 Well, yeah,

01:10:44.540 but even regardless

01:10:46.060 of why they are,

01:10:47.160 perhaps it's because

01:10:47.960 you show them respect

01:10:48.820 or something like this,

01:10:50.180 they would still have to concede

01:10:51.180 some sort of authority

01:10:52.220 for leadership.

01:10:53.320 Would you like us

01:10:54.160 to be in relationships

01:10:54.960 where we cede

01:10:55.700 to authority of a man?

01:10:57.220 It has nothing to do

01:10:58.000 with what I would like.

01:10:58.920 I'm just asking this question.

01:11:00.500 It kind of sounds like

01:11:00.760 it is though.

01:11:02.180 I was just curious.

01:11:03.420 I don't actually think

01:11:04.340 I'm getting an answer to it.

01:11:07.060 Okay, you want an answer?

01:11:07.820 Here's your answer

01:11:08.500 from all of us,

01:11:09.640 from what I've heard

01:11:10.320 at least from the people talking.

01:11:11.660 It depends on the situation.

01:11:13.780 A relationship is a partnership.

01:11:15.460 Nobody has absolute say

01:11:16.720 over anything.

01:11:17.780 And if you seriously

01:11:18.600 are in an argument

01:11:19.520 that's that deep

01:11:20.980 and you can't compromise

01:11:22.580 and both people are not,

01:11:24.480 they're not willing

01:11:25.900 to budge at all,

01:11:26.860 then why are you

01:11:27.440 in a relationship?

01:11:28.680 The whole point

01:11:29.440 of a relationship

01:11:30.040 is you guys are equals

01:11:31.160 and yet you have

01:11:31.920 different responsibilities.

01:11:33.140 Maybe some people

01:11:33.760 have different things

01:11:34.580 that they focus on

01:11:35.540 that they do.

01:11:36.680 But in the end,

01:11:37.360 it's not about gender.

01:11:38.640 It's not about

01:11:39.300 who has more power.

01:11:40.800 It's about the situation.

01:11:42.860 Well, that really wasn't,

01:11:44.040 I mean, that's your view.

01:11:45.220 Yeah, but that really

01:11:45.880 wasn't her view.

01:11:46.980 Her view was she thought

01:11:48.340 a man should generally lead. 0.83

01:11:50.560 Right?

01:11:51.040 A man should generally

01:11:51.860 be in a position of authority.

01:11:53.500 And they can.

01:11:53.920 But then when we dive,

01:11:54.500 when we hone in on it,

01:11:56.160 it looks like more

01:11:57.060 that there's a shared authority

01:11:59.380 which is more

01:11:59.960 of a feminist position. 1.00

01:12:00.880 So I understand

01:12:01.360 your position.

01:12:02.160 I get it.

01:12:02.760 You were clear

01:12:04.200 on the outset.

01:12:05.180 You believe that men

01:12:05.960 and women should share 1.00

01:12:06.600 authority in a relationship.

01:12:07.920 I get it.

01:12:08.440 I understand.

01:12:09.220 I'm not disputing that.

01:12:10.800 I'm just looking at

01:12:11.800 the idea of if you think

01:12:13.200 a man should mostly 0.99

01:12:14.380 have authority,

01:12:15.420 I don't know what the hell

01:12:16.100 that actually means

01:12:17.180 if we reduce it to,

01:12:19.000 well, unless he's not

01:12:20.480 really good at it

01:12:21.180 and then the authority

01:12:21.840 moves over to the woman,

01:12:23.440 I'm not sure how we even

01:12:25.020 make these determinations

01:12:26.100 unless you're ceding

01:12:27.240 to your own authority.

01:12:28.560 You see what I'm saying?

01:12:28.960 Well, that's because

01:12:29.200 this has been like dragged out

01:12:30.440 and you're not accepting

01:12:31.260 you're not accepting

01:12:32.940 anyone's answer.

01:12:34.460 So initially my response

01:12:36.140 was it's trusting

01:12:37.740 the other person.

01:12:38.780 So yes, the man

01:12:39.480 can absolutely lead

01:12:40.400 but there's a difference

01:12:41.080 between a leader

01:12:41.680 and a tyrant.

01:12:42.860 So if you have the man

01:12:44.000 that's leading

01:12:44.500 and you respect his decision,

01:12:45.900 you come to an impasse.

01:12:46.900 What I originally said

01:12:48.120 which wasn't accepted

01:12:49.080 was that in my 15-year relationship

01:12:51.780 this has never come up

01:12:53.240 because in that dynamic

01:12:54.500 nothing has been at an impasse

01:12:56.680 and if anything was,

01:12:57.760 it was mutually tabled

01:12:58.920 until we could revisit it

01:13:00.100 and come to an answer.

01:13:01.260 So it wasn't me

01:13:02.740 taking the lead.

01:13:03.380 I don't know why

01:13:03.520 you're saying I don't.

01:13:04.900 Because that answer

01:13:05.680 wasn't accepted originally.

01:13:07.280 I accept that you're answering.

01:13:09.000 I'm not accepting

01:13:09.820 that you're giving

01:13:10.680 an actual answer.

01:13:12.380 That is absolutely

01:13:13.500 an answer.

01:13:13.900 The question is not

01:13:14.560 in your personal life

01:13:15.980 have you ever had

01:13:17.080 an impasse with a man

01:13:18.120 or your husband

01:13:18.980 or whoever?

01:13:19.620 That's not the question.

01:13:20.800 The question is

01:13:21.720 I'm not asking that.

01:13:22.860 I know.

01:13:23.240 I'm not asking about

01:13:23.580 your personal situation 0.99

01:13:24.660 because I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:13:26.120 Right? 0.99

01:13:26.300 The question is asking

01:13:27.800 specifically if authority

01:13:30.120 is to be shared,

01:13:31.120 the dynamic is to be shared,

01:13:32.980 then who ultimately

01:13:34.060 makes the decision

01:13:34.900 for who even gets

01:13:36.100 to share the authority?

01:13:37.560 Right?

01:13:38.040 If it's going to be you,

01:13:39.520 you get to make that decision.

01:13:41.040 Then it can't really be

01:13:42.380 that the man is in authority

01:13:43.420 most of the time

01:13:44.320 because it would infer,

01:13:46.240 there would at least

01:13:46.960 be an inference here

01:13:47.800 that you're sharing

01:13:48.360 authority with.

01:13:49.980 Yeah, you would decide

01:13:51.180 that ahead of time.

01:13:51.960 I think this goes back

01:13:52.820 to communication,

01:13:53.660 I think,

01:13:54.280 and the fact that

01:13:55.140 everyone's saying

01:13:55.640 all relationships are different.

01:13:56.840 I think if you're conversing

01:13:57.680 about this with your partner

01:13:58.780 ahead of time,

01:13:59.240 it's like, hey,

01:13:59.760 let's talk about authority.

01:14:00.820 Let's talk about

01:14:01.240 who gets the final say.

01:14:02.240 Are there areas that

01:14:03.300 you feel like you want

01:14:04.420 the final say in

01:14:05.100 and how do I feel about that?

01:14:06.060 Are there areas I feel like

01:14:06.880 I want the final say?

01:14:07.580 Like we talked about kids,

01:14:08.720 money, all of those things.

01:14:10.400 You can create so much,

01:14:12.820 like eliminate so many problems

01:14:14.060 if you just have communication

01:14:15.600 on the front end

01:14:16.440 and talk about what feels good

01:14:17.940 for each person.

01:14:18.520 It's going to look different

01:14:19.200 in every relationship,

01:14:20.180 but that would be what I say.

01:14:21.460 There is just no,

01:14:22.060 this, you're wanting

01:14:23.000 this overarching umbrella,

01:14:24.260 it sounds like,

01:14:24.720 of like, this is the way it is,

01:14:25.860 this is the way it should be,

01:14:26.700 that's it,

01:14:27.760 and it just doesn't really,

01:14:29.220 it just doesn't really work

01:14:30.440 because all humans

01:14:31.480 are different.

01:14:31.540 I haven't told you anything

01:14:31.840 that I want.

01:14:32.640 Like all I'm doing is this,

01:14:34.260 this is so that you know,

01:14:35.660 okay, she made a claim.

01:14:38.020 She said, most of the time,

01:14:39.680 I think a man should be

01:14:40.860 in a position of authority.

01:14:42.540 So all I'm doing

01:14:43.400 is exploring that idea

01:14:44.740 by asking her, okay,

01:14:46.400 but if the position of authority

01:14:48.400 is actually shared,

01:14:49.400 how's he really in authority?

01:14:50.920 That's what we're diving into.

01:14:52.800 Hang on, hang on, hang on,

01:14:53.640 hang on.

01:14:54.240 That's what we're diving into,

01:14:55.520 right?

01:14:56.180 I'm not disputing

01:14:57.320 that you can make

01:14:58.280 pre-arrangements

01:14:59.160 with somebody

01:15:00.140 for who has authority,

01:15:01.380 who doesn't.

01:15:02.220 I'm not disputing

01:15:03.180 that you can't have

01:15:03.860 long conversations

01:15:04.820 and walk on the beach

01:15:05.740 at night

01:15:06.160 to make determinations

01:15:07.360 about decisions

01:15:08.080 in your life.

01:15:08.820 I'm not disputing

01:15:09.780 any of that.

01:15:10.680 I'm just trying

01:15:11.300 to determine

01:15:11.920 who ultimately,

01:15:13.940 if authority mostly

01:15:14.980 should be in the hands

01:15:15.740 of a man,

01:15:16.700 gets to determine

01:15:17.540 that authority then.

01:15:18.840 And if it's you,

01:15:19.540 aren't you really

01:15:20.100 the authority?

01:15:24.260 I want to sit here

01:15:25.380 while she's gone.

01:15:26.160 I mean,

01:15:26.920 I feel like,

01:15:27.980 you know,

01:15:28.320 we've kind of said,

01:15:29.420 like,

01:15:30.000 it's,

01:15:31.200 like,

01:15:31.680 we just keep repeating

01:15:32.680 our answers,

01:15:33.440 like,

01:15:33.860 sorry that it's not

01:15:34.560 the answer

01:15:34.920 that you're looking for,

01:15:35.880 but, I mean,

01:15:36.980 everybody's different.

01:15:38.640 And, like,

01:15:39.040 you know,

01:15:39.320 if someone's in a relationship

01:15:40.800 where, like,

01:15:41.340 the man is considered,

01:15:42.360 like,

01:15:43.120 you know,

01:15:43.380 head of the household,

01:15:44.800 you still have to make

01:15:47.340 those big decisions together.

01:15:49.640 And, like,

01:15:49.880 yeah,

01:15:50.080 maybe he'll decide,

01:15:52.080 like,

01:15:52.260 what he wants to eat

01:15:52.940 for dinner

01:15:53.200 or, like,

01:15:53.580 something smaller,

01:15:54.640 but I personally feel like

01:15:56.800 in terms of, like,

01:15:58.060 really big decisions

01:15:59.300 like that,

01:16:00.640 you can't really have

01:16:01.800 one person

01:16:02.500 fully take over.

01:16:04.080 But,

01:16:04.780 once again,

01:16:05.280 that's just...

01:16:05.520 Yeah, I understand that.

01:16:06.480 But I've always understood

01:16:08.240 your view.

01:16:09.180 Your view is equality.

01:16:10.940 Just so you know,

01:16:12.920 your view is different

01:16:13.760 than the view

01:16:14.220 of the girl next to you,

01:16:15.140 the girl next to her,

01:16:16.120 the girl next to her.

01:16:17.360 I'm only exploring

01:16:18.220 one view

01:16:18.920 of a person

01:16:19.700 who's not you.

01:16:21.200 Right?

01:16:21.580 So, therefore,

01:16:22.880 I would like her

01:16:23.720 to answer the question

01:16:24.720 because she's her

01:16:25.660 and not you

01:16:26.700 who has a different view.

01:16:28.320 Hang on.

01:16:28.800 Who has a different view

01:16:29.720 than she does.

01:16:31.160 So, back to her.

01:16:32.200 I'd like to just,

01:16:33.080 you know,

01:16:33.300 if you don't mind,

01:16:33.860 if we can just finish this

01:16:34.540 real quick.

01:16:35.520 I'm actually still

01:16:36.500 confused, right?

01:16:38.320 So, perhaps without

01:16:39.280 the sisterhood

01:16:39.900 getting involved

01:16:40.520 with their view,

01:16:41.560 which I don't give 0.99

01:16:42.100 a shit about, 0.97

01:16:42.940 and just your view, 0.99

01:16:44.180 if it is the case

01:16:45.520 that authority

01:16:46.380 is shared,

01:16:47.620 right,

01:16:48.520 or not,

01:16:49.760 in your case,

01:16:50.440 you say the man

01:16:51.300 should mostly

01:16:51.980 be an authority.

01:16:52.740 lead.

01:16:53.360 Are you the determiner

01:16:55.100 of that?

01:16:57.900 No, and again,

01:16:58.900 so in...

01:16:59.720 Well, then who is?

01:17:00.500 Who is the determiner?

01:17:01.460 It depends on the subject.

01:17:03.420 So, there have been

01:17:04.620 conversations where,

01:17:05.780 and these are exact

01:17:06.620 conversations,

01:17:07.320 if it has to do

01:17:08.040 with health,

01:17:08.660 if it has to do

01:17:09.180 with medicine,

01:17:09.780 if it has to do

01:17:10.200 with food,

01:17:11.000 if it has to do

01:17:11.360 with the kids,

01:17:12.100 it is you.

01:17:12.800 I trust you entirely

01:17:14.040 to make these decisions.

01:17:15.220 That has been

01:17:15.740 conversations

01:17:16.280 in my relationship.

01:17:18.040 And then I say

01:17:18.880 if it has to do

01:17:19.460 with money,

01:17:20.000 that's him all day.

01:17:21.460 He'll ask me

01:17:22.240 once in a while,

01:17:22.700 what do you think

01:17:23.040 about this?

01:17:23.500 What do you think

01:17:23.840 about that?

01:17:24.420 And then he ultimately

01:17:25.080 does whatever he wants.

01:17:26.240 Like, that's my dynamic

01:17:27.260 and I'm very happy

01:17:28.240 with it.

01:17:28.460 Are you receding

01:17:28.560 ultimately to your authority?

01:17:30.420 No, not at all

01:17:31.120 because if I didn't

01:17:32.280 want to do something

01:17:32.860 with money...

01:17:33.560 Hang on, you are.

01:17:34.380 I'll show you.

01:17:35.060 So, if you say...

01:17:36.120 If you're saying

01:17:37.000 on all of these

01:17:38.360 different situations,

01:17:39.700 I, me...

01:17:40.420 No, he assigned

01:17:41.240 them to me.

01:17:42.420 Okay, but the ones

01:17:43.280 you assigned to him,

01:17:44.100 what's that?

01:17:44.900 Right?

01:17:45.160 I trust you to do

01:17:46.040 these things, X,

01:17:47.540 you know, A, B, C, D,

01:17:49.280 whatever it is, right?

01:17:50.400 Mm-hmm.

01:17:50.980 So, what happens

01:17:52.000 if you fail

01:17:52.760 or fail to trust him

01:17:54.460 on one of these

01:17:55.460 particular issues, right?

01:17:57.120 You're still going

01:17:57.880 to see to yourself,

01:17:59.300 you, the person,

01:18:00.620 as to whether or not

01:18:01.600 this should be followed

01:18:02.500 or not followed,

01:18:03.400 which would actually

01:18:04.320 put you in a position

01:18:05.160 of authority, right?

01:18:06.020 That's never happened

01:18:06.660 in my relationship.

01:18:07.560 I know.

01:18:07.780 I'm not asking

01:18:08.280 if it's happened.

01:18:09.280 I'm just telling you

01:18:10.020 that the consequence

01:18:10.860 would be that you are

01:18:11.760 still in a position

01:18:12.440 of authority.

01:18:14.100 No, because I've...

01:18:15.040 No, because I've relinquished

01:18:16.460 that with the agreed

01:18:18.460 upon subjects.

01:18:19.560 So, if it comes to money...

01:18:20.260 You relinquished it

01:18:20.680 based on your authority,

01:18:21.900 though, and you'll bring

01:18:22.640 it right back

01:18:23.280 the second you meet him.

01:18:23.980 No, because, trust me,

01:18:25.280 there have been plenty

01:18:26.160 of financial, like,

01:18:28.500 bombs, and I have said it

01:18:30.660 and I have disagreed,

01:18:31.800 like, until I was blue

01:18:33.120 in the face

01:18:33.660 and he still pressed forward.

01:18:36.100 And I let him do that

01:18:37.100 and it's not like...

01:18:38.340 Yeah, you let him.

01:18:39.500 Yeah, because I could

01:18:40.300 choose to nag, 0.93

01:18:41.440 I could choose to, like, 0.87

01:18:42.420 make his life a nightmare.

01:18:43.480 I'm not, right?

01:18:44.200 Because that is...

01:18:45.200 So, if you want to use

01:18:46.420 your terminology,

01:18:47.280 that is submitting, right?

01:18:48.280 That is letting him lead, right?

01:18:50.220 It is a...

01:18:51.080 It's not really...

01:18:51.480 It's not really...

01:18:52.040 In the case of this,

01:18:53.360 it's still...

01:18:54.580 The question's still kind of

01:18:55.840 who has the authority,

01:18:57.720 ultimately,

01:18:58.420 because if you just say,

01:18:59.280 well, I will see

01:19:00.500 these things over

01:19:01.480 because I want to,

01:19:02.640 because I choose to,

01:19:03.500 this and that,

01:19:04.240 that actually doesn't

01:19:04.800 really infer authority.

01:19:05.860 Like, you're not really

01:19:06.640 giving him the say of...

01:19:07.480 Guys, stop.

01:19:07.820 For instance,

01:19:10.320 let's say you're

01:19:12.000 in a Christian marriage.

01:19:13.540 The gal here,

01:19:14.220 the deconstructionist,

01:19:15.080 she can probably 0.98

01:19:15.660 confirm this, right?

01:19:17.360 The belief there

01:19:18.240 would be that

01:19:19.220 the man is in authority

01:19:21.660 regardless of

01:19:23.180 what your personal viewpoint

01:19:24.900 is on what it is

01:19:26.260 that he's doing, right?

01:19:27.500 You're supposed to

01:19:28.600 cede the authority to him.

01:19:30.460 So, the question here

01:19:31.800 is rooted,

01:19:34.100 who has ultimate authority?

01:19:35.500 Is it you or him?

01:19:36.480 If you're just ceding it to him

01:19:38.180 because you want to,

01:19:39.360 then it would imply

01:19:40.200 that you still have

01:19:41.100 kind of authority.

01:19:42.060 Well, in the Bible,

01:19:42.760 it does talk about

01:19:43.920 submitting to each other.

01:19:45.180 A man and a wife

01:19:45.900 should submit to each other.

01:19:47.140 Yeah, sure, sure.

01:19:47.760 I'm just,

01:19:48.120 I'm giving you an example

01:19:48.900 of a view.

01:19:49.540 That's it.

01:19:50.140 So that I can explain

01:19:51.340 when we're talking

01:19:52.140 about authority,

01:19:52.780 authority means in charge,

01:19:54.260 not in charge

01:19:55.000 because you allow it.

01:19:56.600 That's the point.

01:19:57.680 Well, we live in a country

01:19:59.120 where relationships

01:20:00.100 only exist because of consent.

01:20:01.880 So you're talking

01:20:02.400 about allowing,

01:20:03.280 like it is allowed

01:20:04.120 because now we're getting

01:20:04.880 into non-consent territory.

01:20:07.400 Yeah, so in this case then,

01:20:09.440 the position of authority

01:20:10.300 for a man is make-believe. 0.97

01:20:12.680 It's not make-believe.

01:20:13.880 It's be a strong enough man,

01:20:16.000 have follow through,

01:20:17.320 be competent and confident

01:20:18.680 so that you have a woman 0.78

01:20:20.160 that follows you.

01:20:21.380 A man is physically larger.

01:20:23.400 So everything that you do

01:20:24.400 technically is because

01:20:25.280 he's allowing it, right?

01:20:26.740 Because he could

01:20:27.160 physically stop you.

01:20:28.200 Yeah, that's true too.

01:20:29.480 Yeah.

01:20:29.640 So,

01:20:32.700 so anyway,

01:20:38.660 so yeah,

01:20:39.420 when we're talking

01:20:40.160 about authority though,

01:20:41.780 it would just seem

01:20:42.740 to infer then that

01:20:43.900 men don't, 1.00

01:20:44.820 even if you are saying

01:20:46.640 I'm following you

01:20:48.000 because of X, Y, Z reason,

01:20:50.040 right,

01:20:50.420 you can retract that

01:20:52.160 anytime you want.

01:20:53.320 It's not really

01:20:54.000 a position of authority.

01:20:54.940 Like, for instance,

01:20:55.840 if you were in a workplace,

01:20:58.860 right,

01:20:59.500 you couldn't,

01:21:00.120 you couldn't go to your boss

01:21:01.380 and be like,

01:21:01.880 you're not the boss anymore.

01:21:03.760 No, but if he...

01:21:04.740 You couldn't do that.

01:21:05.240 The only thing you could do,

01:21:06.460 the only thing you could do

01:21:07.760 in that case is like leave.

01:21:09.320 You know what I mean?

01:21:10.300 But you couldn't,

01:21:11.460 you couldn't usurp

01:21:12.420 the position of authority,

01:21:14.060 right,

01:21:14.320 because that would infer

01:21:15.180 that you were actually the boss.

01:21:16.720 If you could go to your boss

01:21:17.540 and say you're not the boss anymore,

01:21:18.380 I'm the boss,

01:21:18.880 who actually has the authority?

01:21:20.320 See what I'm saying?

01:21:21.080 Mm-hmm.

01:21:22.180 Yeah, but do you think

01:21:23.060 that there's not a distinction though

01:21:24.700 between a work relationship

01:21:26.080 and a romantic relationship?

01:21:27.360 Like, the duties aren't different

01:21:28.560 in how you show up

01:21:29.600 and what you're looking for?

01:21:30.200 Yeah, sure.

01:21:30.900 Yeah, sure.

01:21:31.540 I'm not talking about those things.

01:21:32.860 I'm just talking specifically

01:21:33.820 about authority here.

01:21:35.360 Who has authority in relationships

01:21:36.580 and threshold breakers?

01:21:37.600 I know, and I guess...

01:21:38.200 It'd be the same thing

01:21:38.900 with a boss

01:21:39.400 that's like in a workplace.

01:21:40.660 Who has the authority

01:21:41.500 in a workplace?

01:21:42.460 It's your boss,

01:21:43.180 not you, right?

01:21:44.280 So it'd be the same thing.

01:21:45.800 Do you see authority

01:21:46.600 and leadership

01:21:47.060 as exactly identical?

01:21:48.780 Because that's like the thing

01:21:49.880 that's kind of making me...

01:21:51.000 No, they're not identical.

01:21:51.960 I just don't think...

01:21:52.900 I think that leadership

01:21:53.820 implies authority.

01:21:55.300 Are you trying to figure out

01:21:56.480 where the power lies?

01:21:57.300 Like, are you trying to point

01:21:58.060 that power fundamentally

01:21:59.360 lies in somewhere?

01:22:01.560 Yeah, well, I don't think

01:22:02.780 that men,

01:22:03.840 when women say that, 1.00

01:22:05.480 you know, my man has authority

01:22:07.740 or this type of thing,

01:22:09.100 I don't know

01:22:10.240 that that's actually the case

01:22:11.920 because it seems that

01:22:13.680 the authority is granted

01:22:15.380 from them the authority.

01:22:17.260 So it almost seems circular.

01:22:19.320 Just to clarify your position,

01:22:20.760 what would be an example

01:22:21.540 of something where a man

01:22:22.660 truly has authority?

01:22:25.060 He's your boss at work.

01:22:26.640 So in a romantic relationship,

01:22:28.060 I mean.

01:22:29.800 Yeah, that's not what you asked.

01:22:30.920 You asked what would be

01:22:31.780 a position...

01:22:32.600 I know I asked it,

01:22:33.640 but I used the words wrong.

01:22:35.140 My intent was...

01:22:35.960 I think in the West,

01:22:37.620 I would be hard-pressed

01:22:38.540 to give you an example

01:22:39.240 of where a man

01:22:39.820 truly has authority.

01:22:41.040 Okay.

01:22:42.140 Yeah.

01:22:44.520 Okay.

01:22:45.920 Do you want a closing thought

01:22:47.080 on that, Andrew,

01:22:47.740 or is that sufficient for you?

01:22:49.360 Yeah, you win,

01:22:50.180 you have all the authority.

01:22:51.960 Yeah, well, it's just the...

01:22:54.160 What I'm looking at

01:22:54.900 is just whether or not

01:22:56.300 we're dealing

01:22:57.100 with the feminist view or not.

01:22:58.320 So I understand

01:22:58.800 the panelists have

01:22:59.440 the feminist view

01:23:00.080 of equality, egalitarianism,

01:23:01.380 this and that,

01:23:01.860 but she actually said

01:23:03.020 something different,

01:23:03.860 which is the implication

01:23:05.140 that, hey,

01:23:06.000 men actually mostly

01:23:06.820 should have authority,

01:23:08.200 but then when we reduce it,

01:23:09.380 it's like,

01:23:09.720 maybe not so much.

01:23:11.500 Maybe not so much.

01:23:12.720 Sorry, I missed

01:23:13.620 what you were saying.

01:23:14.260 What was that?

01:23:14.760 I just said that,

01:23:15.560 Andrew, you win,

01:23:16.240 you have all the authority.

01:23:17.140 Like, it just depends

01:23:19.660 on the person

01:23:20.200 and the man, I guess.

01:23:21.360 I don't know.

01:23:21.820 Like, you're making it seem like...

01:23:24.120 Well, thank you.

01:23:24.280 That was super helpful

01:23:25.040 to the conversation.

01:23:26.040 I appreciate it.

01:23:28.620 That's basically

01:23:29.580 what I got out of it.

01:23:33.860 Big, strong man.

01:23:36.180 Wait, so you're saying

01:23:36.960 Andrew has all the authority?

01:23:37.980 I'm just confused.

01:23:38.840 I'm a little confused.

01:23:39.500 I just don't know.

01:23:39.780 Yeah, it's just like,

01:23:40.720 you know,

01:23:41.200 in his relationship,

01:23:42.100 he's got all the authority

01:23:43.220 and that's what he's trying

01:23:43.880 to prove is that,

01:23:44.800 like, you know,

01:23:45.860 every man should be like him,

01:23:47.260 right?

01:23:48.280 Is that the point?

01:23:48.620 Where was any of this stated?

01:23:50.560 Like, it's just all headcanon.

01:23:52.140 So, what you should say is,

01:23:53.560 Andrew, I'm about to make 1.00

01:23:54.600 a bunch of fucking bullshit up 1.00

01:23:56.000 and then say it out loud 1.00

01:23:57.040 for reasons nobody understands.

01:23:58.700 You should just lead

01:23:59.500 with that.

01:23:59.860 I didn't say anything.

01:24:00.700 I just said, yes, sir.

01:24:03.600 Yeah, you should just lead with,

01:24:04.600 I'm about to make up 1.00

01:24:05.260 a bunch of bullshit 1.00

01:24:05.880 and then say it out loud 1.00

01:24:07.140 for reasons nobody understands.

01:24:09.420 Hmm.

01:24:10.460 Andrew, there's a chat here

01:24:11.700 coming for you.

01:24:12.640 Jane underscore Slice

01:24:16.000 donated $200. 1.00

01:24:18.040 What the fuck? 1.00

01:24:18.640 This creep gave me herpes 1.00

01:24:19.740 and never did his own dishes 0.94

01:24:21.200 or laundry. 0.57

01:24:22.560 He smells like gingerly cheese

01:24:24.360 and camel smoke and rainbows.

01:24:26.780 Sorry for tipping.

01:24:28.620 Marlboro.

01:24:28.980 Marlboro.

01:24:30.320 Marlboro.

01:24:31.800 Marlboro. 1.00

01:24:33.320 I don't smoke fucking camels. 1.00

01:24:34.740 All right, well, 1.00

01:24:35.240 we're going to move on

01:24:35.780 to the next thing.

01:24:36.940 Going, let's,

01:24:38.500 oh, Ayla,

01:24:39.200 you sell your eggs.

01:24:40.820 Yeah.

01:24:41.400 Yeah, so.

01:24:42.140 So, hopefully one day.

01:24:43.360 On your website,

01:24:44.040 you haven't done it yet.

01:24:44.820 No.

01:24:45.180 But you do say

01:24:45.860 if you're interested

01:24:46.360 in using my eggs to reproduce,

01:24:48.000 you're down to discuss this

01:24:49.120 in exchange for payment

01:24:50.020 for your time

01:24:51.220 and fear of needles.

01:24:52.540 You have ancestry,

01:24:53.740 health testing,

01:24:54.680 and family history

01:24:55.720 that you can share.

01:24:57.520 Have you had any inquiries

01:24:58.940 at all or not?

01:25:00.100 Yeah.

01:25:00.680 Yeah, I've talked

01:25:01.620 with some people.

01:25:02.760 We might do something.

01:25:03.940 I just did my first round

01:25:05.060 a couple months ago.

01:25:06.140 First, sorry, what?

01:25:06.940 First round?

01:25:07.260 My first round of freezing.

01:25:08.140 Round.

01:25:08.640 Oh, you're freezing the eggs.

01:25:09.840 Okay, so you can like

01:25:10.720 just sell those then?

01:25:12.320 Yeah, although I think

01:25:13.020 we might get genetic engineering soon,

01:25:14.680 so I think I would maybe

01:25:15.600 like a whole bunch of them

01:25:16.420 to do genetic engineering

01:25:17.700 experiments on.

01:25:19.640 Interesting, okay.

01:25:20.880 How much do you sell them for?

01:25:22.860 Ideally, about 100K.

01:25:24.440 Wow.

01:25:24.840 Would you do surrogacy or no?

01:25:26.620 I don't think so.

01:25:27.660 Like you carry the child?

01:25:28.860 Seems like I could pay

01:25:30.600 someone else to do that.

01:25:31.660 Oh, well, if someone's

01:25:32.380 like five mil.

01:25:32.980 I would definitely carry

01:25:35.020 a child for five million dollars.

01:25:36.400 For five million dollars.

01:25:36.660 Yes.

01:25:37.040 All right.

01:25:37.380 How are you?

01:25:37.880 Now, into something

01:25:39.140 kind of pretty interesting.

01:25:41.040 There is a gangbang flow chart.

01:25:45.460 We have to pull this up.

01:25:46.520 Can we pull up the tweet,

01:25:47.880 Sir Damien?

01:25:49.720 So, why don't you tell us?

01:25:51.180 Gangbangland?

01:25:51.740 Is that back?

01:25:53.040 Gangbangland?

01:25:54.260 Something like that.

01:25:55.100 Do you got it, Damien?

01:25:55.920 Yeah.

01:25:56.360 Okay, pull it up, please.

01:25:58.080 Okay, this is your Twitter.

01:25:59.680 For my birthday,

01:26:00.140 my partner and some friends

01:26:01.360 organized a huge gangbang for me.

01:26:04.500 42 attendees.

01:26:05.560 Here's the break.

01:26:06.060 Lily loves this one.

01:26:07.100 Here's the breakdown

01:26:07.780 of how the event was organized.

01:26:10.180 There were exit survey statistics

01:26:11.560 and what it was like

01:26:12.500 for me psychologically.

01:26:13.840 Why don't we pull up

01:26:14.400 the next tab

01:26:14.980 with the actual graphic.

01:26:16.780 Okay, put us on the other side.

01:26:19.820 So, there were 1,600 respondents.

01:26:24.560 800 failed the auto filter.

01:26:28.100 About 700 passed the filter.

01:26:30.700 250 you contacted.

01:26:33.080 About half of those didn't respond.

01:26:35.260 There was 83 who didn't interview.

01:26:37.040 87 got invited.

01:26:38.480 56 got tickets.

01:26:39.920 43 did STD tests.

01:26:41.820 42 showed up,

01:26:43.160 five of which did not bang Aayla.

01:26:46.080 37 penetrated Aayla.

01:26:48.320 17 of which came in Aayla.

01:26:49.940 Five came in a fluffer.

01:26:51.780 15 did not climax.

01:26:53.180 I love that this shows like

01:26:56.320 the logistical nightmare

01:26:57.520 of a guy's idea.

01:26:58.180 I had so many questions for you

01:26:59.460 because when you were like

01:27:00.180 you're doing so many guys

01:27:01.240 I was like,

01:27:01.820 can I ask you about the logistics?

01:27:03.000 It's tricky, honestly.

01:27:04.520 You should do a flowchart.

01:27:05.640 It would be amazing.

01:27:06.460 I need you like on the...

01:27:07.940 Aayla.

01:27:08.180 I would love that.

01:27:09.360 Do the flowchart.

01:27:10.240 Do the flowchart for Aayla's...

01:27:12.240 Hell yeah.

01:27:13.200 Yeah, I could do it right.

01:27:14.040 I love the tracking the data

01:27:15.600 and stuff.

01:27:17.320 I love that.

01:27:18.000 We could check correlations.

01:27:18.860 I think that would be great.

01:27:19.520 You need a flowchart.

01:27:20.740 Yeah.

01:27:21.040 I feel like also it's great

01:27:22.000 to have someone to like

01:27:22.680 verify things.

01:27:23.960 Like he did penetrate.

01:27:25.500 Yes, it was a coming side.

01:27:26.240 They had me do Sharpies on my leg

01:27:28.240 to track what was happening

01:27:29.380 and that helped a lot.

01:27:30.320 Sharpies.

01:27:30.660 And then they signed

01:27:31.160 a guest book afterwards.

01:27:32.340 There was a guest book.

01:27:33.200 Yeah.

01:27:33.940 Okay.

01:27:34.500 So they write a little like note.

01:27:36.080 It's a pop-up party.

01:27:36.620 Yeah, it's really sweet.

01:27:38.500 Were there rules?

01:27:40.520 Like do they get a time limit

01:27:41.640 or how does that show up?

01:27:42.220 Yeah, I think it was like

01:27:42.820 a max of two minutes per guy

01:27:44.260 because you know

01:27:44.640 it really adds up.

01:27:45.740 Yeah.

01:27:46.080 Did you like...

01:27:47.040 Was there one that you liked

01:27:48.020 and you gave him like

01:27:48.600 next to 30 seconds or...

01:27:50.200 There wasn't...

01:27:51.240 It was really a blur.

01:27:52.540 The very first guy was a virgin 0.99

01:27:53.760 and he...

01:27:54.640 They popped confetti

01:27:55.560 when he entered me

01:27:56.440 and then he shouted

01:27:57.140 Leroy Jenkins 1.00

01:27:58.140 as he started fucking me 1.00

01:28:00.640 or banging me, whatever. 1.00

01:28:02.680 Which was...

01:28:03.360 Yes.

01:28:05.480 I have that ready to go.

01:28:07.640 Well, lovely.

01:28:08.260 That's fine.

01:28:08.540 Yeah, and I was like

01:28:09.280 this is an interesting

01:28:10.180 experience to be in.

01:28:11.900 I like it when things

01:28:12.480 are surreal though.

01:28:13.160 Wait, he was...

01:28:13.560 How old was he?

01:28:14.280 The virgin?

01:28:14.860 I don't know.

01:28:15.440 Mid-20s maybe?

01:28:16.420 He also wore a heart rate monitor

01:28:17.880 and then gave me the data

01:28:18.800 of his heart rate.

01:28:19.980 Was he diabetic or what was his...

01:28:21.380 No, he just...

01:28:22.180 He just offered it.

01:28:23.440 He was like

01:28:23.660 do you want to see

01:28:24.120 my heart rate data?

01:28:24.840 And I was like

01:28:25.340 please wear a heart rate monitor

01:28:26.480 for the...

01:28:26.840 So he lost his virginity

01:28:28.660 in a birthday king thing.

01:28:31.840 Okay.

01:28:32.420 The only one of you did...

01:28:33.420 How many virgins did you do? 1.00

01:28:35.540 I've probably done

01:28:36.500 like maybe five virgins.

01:28:38.480 Okay.

01:28:39.060 I did quite a lot

01:28:40.460 because I did recently 0.98

01:28:41.500 a 50-man anal gangbang. 0.98

01:28:43.220 Oh. 0.99

01:28:43.760 And I took a lot of 0.99

01:28:44.600 anal virginities recently. 0.99

01:28:46.400 So...

01:28:46.580 What?

01:28:47.220 Wait, you...

01:28:48.080 Hold on.

01:28:49.480 Like you pegged?

01:28:50.440 No, no, no. 1.00

01:28:51.580 I got fucked. 1.00

01:28:53.200 All of them were anal. 1.00

01:28:54.220 Oh, in the... 1.00

01:28:55.760 Arse.

01:28:56.620 Arse.

01:28:57.440 Yeah.

01:28:58.560 Okay.

01:28:59.620 Congrats.

01:29:00.260 Yeah.

01:29:00.720 There was a lot of 1.00

01:29:01.940 anal virgins there. 1.00

01:29:03.060 Wait.

01:29:03.420 I got to ask Lily.

01:29:04.860 So like

01:29:05.280 is this actually recorded though?

01:29:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:08.900 I'll show you the video.

01:29:10.160 I feel like some of the...

01:29:11.080 I don't know if it's the case for you

01:29:12.480 but I've heard these stories

01:29:13.320 like these girls 1.00

01:29:13.920 will like make up

01:29:15.320 these kind of elaborate scenarios

01:29:16.660 that are just not actually true.

01:29:19.020 But this is actually like recorded.

01:29:21.240 I'll show you all the evidence.

01:29:22.380 Don't you worry.

01:29:23.360 Yeah, we can't show it on...

01:29:24.820 No, no.

01:29:25.420 But some of these people

01:29:27.360 like make this up

01:29:28.200 because it's like for the clout

01:29:29.280 or whatever

01:29:29.580 but you actually did it.

01:29:30.660 Yeah, I did it

01:29:31.100 with another girl as well.

01:29:32.760 Okay.

01:29:33.120 Tiff.

01:29:33.740 So she can vouch for me as well.

01:29:35.420 All right.

01:29:36.020 Okay.

01:29:36.900 And have you done multiple

01:29:38.100 of the gangbang?

01:29:40.920 No, I just did it that one time.

01:29:42.080 I actually didn't like it very much.

01:29:43.260 Singular gangbang.

01:29:44.200 Yeah.

01:29:44.640 Okay, you didn't like it.

01:29:45.180 I just want to see what it was like.

01:29:46.680 Yeah, it wasn't your thing.

01:29:47.740 No, because you have to be like

01:29:48.980 oh no, I feel bad for the guy.

01:29:50.600 Like is he feeling okay?

01:29:52.500 Like I want to make sure

01:29:52.960 that he feels fine

01:29:53.640 and then you can't

01:29:54.280 like let go of yourself.

01:29:55.400 The reason we tried that gangbang

01:29:56.860 in the first place 0.98

01:29:57.460 was because I was running an orgy 0.96

01:29:58.900 and these people ran a train on me.

01:30:01.220 I think it was like 15, 11 guys

01:30:02.660 or something.

01:30:03.220 Wait, that was a different... 0.98

01:30:04.240 That was a different orgy. 0.92

01:30:05.380 Yeah, because I... 0.96

01:30:06.020 Isn't that a gangbang? 0.68

01:30:06.620 No, orgies is like all genders. 0.99

01:30:09.020 Gangbangs is all guys 0.90

01:30:10.140 and like one girl.

01:30:10.900 Yeah, I mean it was like

01:30:12.100 kind of an impromptu gangbang

01:30:14.020 if you will 0.97

01:30:14.520 in the middle of this orgy. 0.99

01:30:15.720 Half a gangbang. 0.99

01:30:16.840 I throw like non-consent orgies

01:30:18.480 so you wear a wristband

01:30:19.260 and then people can do

01:30:19.940 like whatever they want to you

01:30:21.360 within a certain period of thing.

01:30:22.520 Anyway, so I was wearing the wristband

01:30:23.740 and they just like threw me down

01:30:24.800 and it started...

01:30:25.440 It was a train 0.99

01:30:26.560 and it was fucking fantastic. 0.93

01:30:29.560 Afterwards, I was like glowing. 0.99

01:30:30.840 I felt so good for days.

01:30:32.240 It was like I had done

01:30:33.120 like a really good psychedelic

01:30:34.480 and then I was like

01:30:34.980 this is so amazing

01:30:35.700 and so my partner saw that

01:30:36.820 and he was like,

01:30:37.260 wow, sounds like it was

01:30:38.320 really good for you.

01:30:39.020 He's like, so for your birthday

01:30:40.000 I'm going to try and arrange

01:30:40.740 like an even bigger one

01:30:41.720 but I think like the logistics

01:30:43.080 of the bigger one

01:30:43.800 just like the magic wasn't there.

01:30:46.220 Sometimes that takes away from it.

01:30:47.960 I couldn't agree more.

01:30:48.860 Ariel, here, speaking of Mike,

01:30:51.840 you had a really big reaction

01:30:53.140 to the...

01:30:53.920 Did you want to say something, Ariel?

01:30:56.420 I'm just like kind of intrigued.

01:30:58.560 Like I've never heard of it before.

01:31:01.740 Gangplicks?

01:31:02.500 Honestly, like good for you guys.

01:31:04.420 I don't know.

01:31:05.480 I'm just learning new stuff.

01:31:07.120 She's learning.

01:31:07.780 She's learning.

01:31:09.020 All right.

01:31:11.180 Wait, so you've done

01:31:12.300 multiple grape play orgies.

01:31:16.400 CNC, yeah. 0.94

01:31:17.100 CNC, consensual.

01:31:17.920 Yeah, I run a series.

01:31:19.120 How many have you done of these?

01:31:20.900 Eight, I think.

01:31:21.780 Seven or eight.

01:31:22.880 Yeah.

01:31:23.080 And so YouTube's a little tricky with it.

01:31:27.360 I understand it basically though.

01:31:30.040 You describe yourself on Twitter 1.00

01:31:31.400 as a whore lord. 1.00

01:31:32.760 Yes. 1.00

01:31:33.400 And a vex worker.

01:31:35.380 Indeed. 0.99

01:31:36.140 What is a whore lord? 1.00

01:31:37.680 The lord of whores? 1.00

01:31:38.580 You're the lord of whores. 1.00

01:31:39.660 Yes. 1.00

01:31:40.020 Okay. 1.00

01:31:41.300 The lord of whores. 1.00

01:31:42.100 I thought it was relatively self-explanatory. 1.00

01:31:43.560 You should be like a...

01:31:45.440 M'lady.

01:31:46.400 It's a whole guy.

01:31:48.800 Okay.

01:31:49.520 You're the lord of them.

01:31:51.660 Yeah.

01:31:52.180 I mean, I write guides on how to do it.

01:31:54.340 It's like if a girl's interested 1.00

01:31:55.640 in getting into it. 0.99

01:31:57.380 A whore guide? 1.00

01:31:58.500 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:59.080 You write guides. 1.00

01:32:00.040 Like how to be the best whore. 1.00

01:32:01.000 It's hard to be a good whore. 1.00

01:32:01.880 How do you even get into it, right? 1.00

01:32:03.080 It's hard.

01:32:04.140 Like how do you stay safe?

01:32:05.020 I tried once.

01:32:06.480 You tried?

01:32:07.100 How was it?

01:32:07.700 I'm just joking.

01:32:09.000 But, okay, so you're kind of like the... 1.00

01:32:13.900 The lord of whores. 1.00

01:32:14.940 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:15.540 I'm thinking of myself at this point.

01:32:17.120 And vex worker, what's that? 0.92

01:32:18.740 Are you a witch?

01:32:19.560 Well, I think people really get mad at me a lot

01:32:21.300 for things that I...

01:32:22.360 For a while, I didn't know

01:32:23.380 they were going to get mad at me for

01:32:24.300 and now I've started to catch on.

01:32:26.960 And so people seem to be very vexed by me.

01:32:30.100 They're vexed.

01:32:31.060 They are vexed.

01:32:31.600 Why are they...

01:32:32.140 How are they vexed?

01:32:33.080 Well, I think people are horrified by a lot of things.

01:32:35.540 I ask a lot of moral conundrum polls,

01:32:38.760 which I probably can't repeat on stream.

01:32:41.940 Or like, for example...

01:32:43.340 Moral conundrum.

01:32:44.260 Like, can I say...

01:32:47.040 I have a moral conundrum.

01:32:48.180 Yes.

01:32:48.560 Oh, can you say what?

01:32:49.760 Well, can I talk about...

01:32:50.580 Don't bring up the minors.

01:32:51.780 Don't bring them.

01:32:52.220 No, it's not mine.

01:32:53.460 It's like, is bestiality wrong

01:32:55.920 and are you a vegan?

01:32:56.680 You talked about this at dinner

01:33:00.100 when we were in Colorado.

01:33:02.800 Oh, yeah.

01:33:04.120 Oh, yeah.

01:33:04.360 I did see some of your tweets on this.

01:33:06.460 Yeah, it just seems like a little funny

01:33:07.760 that we have different standards 0.90

01:33:08.920 for intercourse versus killing and eating. 0.69

01:33:12.660 I know if some are going to do one to me, 0.99

01:33:14.160 I would rather not be killed and eaten.

01:33:16.620 Okay.

01:33:17.400 And so, anyway,

01:33:18.040 that's an example of...

01:33:19.620 People seem to get really mad at me for that one,

01:33:21.520 but I thought it was relatively straightforward.

01:33:23.340 Sure.

01:33:24.800 And then let's see here.

01:33:26.280 You said you built a dating survey.

01:33:28.000 You picked the top guy from that.

01:33:29.760 You were not attracted to him,

01:33:31.520 but you brute-forced through the first date.

01:33:35.040 You guys spent three days at an Airbnb.

01:33:38.060 Brute-forced it.

01:33:38.980 Yes. 0.99

01:33:39.780 And you forced yourself to have sex with him. 0.99

01:33:44.400 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:45.300 That's my current partner.

01:33:47.140 Oh, that's your current...

01:33:48.460 Four years.

01:33:49.680 No, I don't.

01:33:50.220 Does that upset him?

01:33:51.160 Does that upset him?

01:33:52.180 No, no, no. 0.83

01:33:52.700 Was it pity sex? 0.99

01:33:54.260 It was a bit of pity sex? 0.99

01:33:55.060 No, I think it was curiosity sex. 0.97

01:33:56.620 I was like, I should probably try it. 0.61

01:33:57.860 But you forced yourself.

01:33:58.620 Yeah.

01:34:00.000 Yeah, he just scored.

01:34:01.380 I had a survey that was scored

01:34:02.580 so people answered questions.

01:34:03.760 And then on the back end, I built it.

01:34:06.180 Yeah.

01:34:06.360 And then you get an output.

01:34:07.660 And then I contacted the top scorers.

01:34:09.400 And then he was one of the very top scorers.

01:34:11.900 And so I was like, date?

01:34:12.900 And I made a graph of the scores

01:34:15.040 and pointed at him.

01:34:15.980 And he said, sure, three days at an Airbnb.

01:34:17.820 And I was like, great.

01:34:18.600 So he went to an Airbnb for three days,

01:34:19.960 which was the first time I'd seriously talked to him.

01:34:23.040 And then I was like, well, if I'm going to figure out 0.99

01:34:25.500 if I should date you, I should probably have sex with you. 0.99

01:34:27.620 I was not attracted to him at all. 0.99

01:34:28.900 He was really annoying to me at that time.

01:34:30.940 But he's much better now.

01:34:32.300 Do you want kids?

01:34:33.920 I would like to have genetic offspring.

01:34:36.720 Genetic offspring. 0.53

01:34:38.060 OK.

01:34:38.720 With him?

01:34:40.320 Yeah.

01:34:40.860 Well, he doesn't want to.

01:34:41.840 It's a very long story that probably

01:34:43.400 is not going to get communicated.

01:34:45.040 But I think probably the world's

01:34:47.120 going to end relatively soon.

01:34:49.840 And I think he's working on that pretty hard

01:34:51.660 to stop it, I mean.

01:34:52.960 Oh.

01:34:53.480 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:53.680 I was like, fucking apocalypse. 1.00

01:34:56.980 He's trying to stop it. 1.00

01:34:58.620 The end of the world.

01:35:00.540 Oh, I'm just curious because you said,

01:35:02.620 I feel like you can't, if you do have kids,

01:35:04.960 you cannot tell them, I wasn't feeling your dad at all.

01:35:08.640 Like, I wasn't into it.

01:35:09.560 Why can't I tell them that?

01:35:10.540 Well, you could.

01:35:12.040 I would definitely tell them that.

01:35:13.080 Oh, you'll definitely tell them that.

01:35:14.020 Yeah, if I had them.

01:35:15.360 Do you tell, like, he's not upset by that?

01:35:18.080 It's the truth.

01:35:19.540 Sure.

01:35:20.400 It's the truth.

01:35:21.060 But, I mean, it feels like it would be hurtful

01:35:24.700 if the person who you're.

01:35:26.840 Yeah, but pain is just coming into contact with reality.

01:35:28.660 And then when you're in contact with it,

01:35:29.660 it doesn't hurt anymore.

01:35:30.400 I need LSD for this.

01:35:32.740 No, I'm just kidding.

01:35:34.060 No, it's just like, you know what I mean?

01:35:36.380 Like, if I was dating a girl and I was like, 0.73

01:35:39.240 BTW, I thought you were ugly at first. 0.97

01:35:43.100 And I had to, I'd like, I faked an orgasm. 0.98

01:35:47.560 I just, you know.

01:35:48.860 Yeah, but wouldn't you want to know that? 0.99

01:35:49.760 I had to, like, force myself to have sex with you. 0.97

01:35:52.720 Like, I feel like she would take it the wrong way. 0.98

01:35:55.120 You know what I mean?

01:35:55.680 I mean, he told me that I wasn't that pretty once

01:35:57.940 when I was trying to have a tender moment.

01:36:00.320 You posted a tweet about it.

01:36:01.160 Yeah, yeah, I did.

01:36:02.000 Pull it up.

01:36:02.480 Pull up a tweet.

01:36:03.960 Yeah, that was pretty rough.

01:36:05.140 I was like, ow. 1.00

01:36:07.200 Damn. 0.99

01:36:07.840 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:08.400 But it's actually true.

01:36:09.100 But he just said you're not that pretty.

01:36:10.560 Yeah, he said I'm not that pretty.

01:36:11.620 Because I was like, I'm afraid that people,

01:36:13.200 you know how people, like, kind of tell each other,

01:36:14.740 girl, you're so hot.

01:36:15.540 I'm like, everybody's incentivized to say positive things

01:36:17.940 about each other's appearance.

01:36:19.000 Like, I don't actually understand.

01:36:20.380 And I did actually run a face rating survey

01:36:22.820 so I could determine my own attractiveness.

01:36:24.620 And I'm a 4.6.

01:36:25.640 So I'm, in fact, actually not that pretty.

01:36:30.180 Interesting.

01:36:30.760 Yeah.

01:36:31.360 You should, we should get you to do some, like,

01:36:34.220 surveys for our podcast.

01:36:35.620 I love doing surveys.

01:36:37.060 She's doing my survey first.

01:36:38.460 I will do both of your surveys.

01:36:40.020 There you go.

01:36:41.440 We've collected quite a bit of data from the show.

01:36:44.400 It's pretty interesting.

01:36:45.100 Like what?

01:36:45.720 Oh, I mean, nothing on the scale of what you're doing.

01:36:47.660 But simple things like total appearances,

01:36:50.380 like the breakdown of, like, who's involved in sex work,

01:36:54.120 the amount of people who've canceled,

01:36:55.720 who've flipped on the show.

01:36:56.600 What's the percentages?

01:36:56.900 Do you know?

01:36:57.580 I think it's about 15% of all the panelists

01:37:00.560 have been involved in sex work or OnlyFans

01:37:02.680 or something like that.

01:37:04.640 And, yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

01:37:07.780 Age, relationship status, this sort of thing.

01:37:11.060 Oh, cool.

01:37:11.920 Yeah.

01:37:12.240 Do you have, like, in a spreadsheet?

01:37:16.220 Sort of, yes.

01:37:17.520 It's very rudimentary, though.

01:37:19.080 So we can talk after the show, though.

01:37:21.400 It would be interesting to get some stuff done.

01:37:24.240 Do we have her tweet pulled out?

01:37:26.300 All right.

01:37:26.720 So this is brutal.

01:37:28.360 And scroll down because this is, like,

01:37:29.780 a quote tweet in response to somebody else.

01:37:32.760 Scroll down.

01:37:33.500 Don't go too far, though.

01:37:34.540 Put us on the other side.

01:37:36.160 All right.

01:37:36.360 Just hide us for a sec.

01:37:39.360 All right.

01:37:39.880 So this is the response.

01:37:41.240 Being a girl's boyfriend is all about committing to the bit 1.00

01:37:43.480 that she is a 10-10 and the most beautiful woman

01:37:45.780 you have ever seen.

01:37:46.600 Scroll up.

01:37:47.000 And then you write, can you scroll up?

01:37:49.860 Ayla, let me just have you read it in your voice.

01:37:52.380 One of my partners once was like,

01:37:54.040 you're not that pretty during a tender moment.

01:37:55.900 I rolled over in the fetal position and groaned for, like, an hour.

01:37:58.440 And then he went and made me an I'm sorry card

01:38:00.380 out of construction paper and markers and stickers.

01:38:02.920 Okay.

01:38:03.600 So this is the guy who you told, like, 0.99

01:38:07.140 you forced yourself to have sex with him. 0.99

01:38:08.720 Yes. 0.93

01:38:09.000 And you weren't attracted to him.

01:38:10.580 Yeah.

01:38:10.920 And you told him this.

01:38:11.920 Yes.

01:38:12.540 How did he take that?

01:38:14.020 He was like, oh.

01:38:15.060 He's just like, oh, no reaction.

01:38:16.640 Yeah.

01:38:16.760 Well, I mean, I attracted to him now.

01:38:18.500 Okay.

01:38:18.780 Now you're attracted to him.

01:38:19.620 Yeah. 0.98

01:38:20.160 How many, like, did you have to force having sex with him, 0.80

01:38:23.520 like, multiple times? 0.55

01:38:25.280 Or was it just half one?

01:38:25.980 No, the sixth.

01:38:26.020 I think the sixth got better by about the sixth time.

01:38:28.160 The sixth time.

01:38:28.840 Yeah.

01:38:29.080 Okay.

01:38:29.620 All right.

01:38:30.440 Huh. 0.96

01:38:30.960 And now it's the best sex I've ever had in my life. 0.96

01:38:32.480 Lily, you got something? 0.99

01:38:33.660 Pudgeon.

01:38:34.000 Oh, I thought you, it sounded.

01:38:35.120 I said, oh, okay.

01:38:36.100 Because I don't think I would have given till the sixth time.

01:38:39.980 So I'm just impressed that if it wasn't good by the second, I'm done.

01:38:44.380 Well, I think there are other benefits going for him.

01:38:46.440 Like, he was really high status in my community.

01:38:48.160 And I think that that's quite attractive.

01:38:49.740 Yeah.

01:38:49.840 And so if a guy is, like, really, like, interesting for other reasons,

01:38:54.800 usually you can, like, be like, all right, 0.99

01:38:56.820 I'm going to go make myself have sex with you 1.00

01:38:58.580 because I'm interested in bonding with you. 1.00

01:39:00.200 And you say, when you say your community, what do you mean?

01:39:03.320 Like the...

01:39:03.920 CNC?

01:39:04.760 Rationalist community.

01:39:06.060 What is that?

01:39:07.700 It's, do you, have you heard of Less Wrong?

01:39:10.200 Less, Less Wrong?

01:39:11.040 Less Wrong.

01:39:12.380 It's a long story.

01:39:13.200 I don't know how much time I want to take up.

01:39:14.580 Or what is that?

01:39:15.280 No, it's a blog.

01:39:16.620 It was a blog.

01:39:17.600 It's written by Eliezer Yudkowsky about, like, how to think less wrong.

01:39:22.240 So it, like, covers a lot of cognitive biases.

01:39:24.280 And, like, we do prediction markets.

01:39:26.020 I did a prediction market when I was coming on this show of whether I'd regret it.

01:39:29.080 If you'd regret it.

01:39:29.700 Yeah, and it's at 27%.

01:39:31.160 27% chance you would regret it.

01:39:32.800 That I would regret it, yes.

01:39:33.620 Oh, that's pretty good.

01:39:34.460 Yeah, it's not that bad.

01:39:35.280 I think that's pretty good.

01:39:35.460 It's not that bad.

01:39:36.420 How's it going so far?

01:39:37.340 Yeah.

01:39:37.480 A little regret?

01:39:38.040 Yeah, no regret so far.

01:39:39.080 So far?

01:39:39.580 Yeah.

01:39:39.880 Okay, all right.

01:39:41.220 So, but yeah, it's a lot of, like,

01:39:42.500 how do you actually develop true beliefs about the world?

01:39:44.400 Because a lot of the time when people are thinking things, they're not, like, making,

01:39:47.680 like, really concerted efforts to make their beliefs map onto reality.

01:39:50.520 So if you can, like, make it so that if it hurts, if you're wrong, that means you actually

01:39:54.080 are incentivized to update in a way that most people are, like, really enjoy lying to themselves

01:39:57.680 about a lot of things.

01:39:58.800 So you use a correspondence theory for truth?

01:40:01.220 I don't know what that means.

01:40:03.480 Well, you just said that the truth is the thing which maps onto reality.

01:40:10.220 Is that correct?

01:40:11.140 Oh, yes.

01:40:12.580 That's correspondence theory.

01:40:14.740 Okay.

01:40:15.860 Just moving on here, you said that you study fetishes with an emphasis in gaps in sexuality

01:40:20.640 between males and females.

01:40:21.900 You've collected what is probably the largest comprehensive data set on human sexuality

01:40:25.500 in the world.

01:40:27.180 Are you, like, published in any, like, journals or scientific, like, academic journals?

01:40:30.520 Well, I didn't get clearance by the IRB.

01:40:32.300 I have no academic association or formal training.

01:40:34.940 So it's, we, I did, there is one paper that is going through the things right now in conjunction

01:40:40.740 with Jeffrey Miller, who's an academic and an ego psych.

01:40:44.600 But, yeah, I did a survey that basically designed to go viral, and it did successfully go viral.

01:40:49.600 And now we have a total of about 800,000 completed responses for, what's a 40-minute survey of

01:40:55.820 extremely extensive about human sexuality.

01:40:57.400 So there's a whole bunch of interesting stuff.

01:40:59.000 Like, if you want correlations about body count, I have a whole bunch of data about the kinds

01:41:01.860 of people that have high body count versus low body count.

01:41:04.520 Yeah.

01:41:04.760 No, I looked at some of it.

01:41:05.600 I didn't look at everything you've published, but it's interesting stuff.

01:41:09.020 You said that there's...

01:41:09.800 Well, isn't it true that oftentimes, and I saw some deleted tweets, you can help me out

01:41:14.580 with this, but oftentimes your sample sizes for these various surveys you do, they're preloaded

01:41:20.000 with tons of teenagers?

01:41:21.340 Yes.

01:41:21.660 It's primarily young.

01:41:22.980 I think the average age is 22, with, like, median is a little bit lower than that.

01:41:26.980 Isn't that a pretty biased sample size?

01:41:29.220 Absolutely.

01:41:30.400 It's not representative of the general population, but there are ways to check...

01:41:34.800 I mean, why should we take any of it seriously, then, like, any of this data?

01:41:38.320 That's a great question, actually.

01:41:40.220 So, the majority of all published data in sex science is either equally or more so biased

01:41:45.520 than what I have, and also there's, like, methods of checking...

01:41:48.760 I know that...

01:41:49.160 Wait, wait, wait.

01:41:49.780 Hang on.

01:41:50.620 Let's start...

01:41:51.160 Let's do a claim into time here before you gish gallop around. 1.00

01:41:54.280 What is your demonstration or evidence that most sex scientific data is more biased than

01:41:59.280 your data?

01:42:00.020 By biased, I mean the selection effects cause it to be less representative than the general

01:42:05.100 population.

01:42:05.920 Like what?

01:42:06.320 Generally, it's, you get, like, 30 to 40 undergrads in a college is very common.

01:42:13.360 Yeah, but that's not a demonstration that most sex data is biased in comparison to yours,

01:42:19.080 even if that was the case.

01:42:20.300 That would not be proof or evidence that more of it is biased than your own data.

01:42:24.520 You can...

01:42:25.420 I mean, mostly it's just from reading a whole bunch of papers.

01:42:27.480 I just have read a bunch of papers, and also talk to a bunch of academics.

01:42:33.480 Yeah, but how's it, I mean, how's that a demonstration, though, that most sex data is less biased than

01:42:38.600 your sex data, which is loaded with teenagers who are definitely not a good sample size of

01:42:44.960 the general population at all?

01:42:48.520 Yes.

01:42:49.080 So there's, like, really interesting things about, like, how to balance selection effects

01:42:53.620 to develop, like, good extrapolation.

01:42:55.860 So one, you can also pay random samples to sort of spot check to see in what ways that

01:43:00.960 your sample deviates from the normal population, which I do this often.

01:43:04.420 I will, if there are things that seem particularly unusual, I will go spot check to see exactly

01:43:08.440 how different my sample is.

01:43:09.880 Yeah, but that's just a basic control.

01:43:11.740 Like, these are all using the, that basic control, like, I would assume would be present

01:43:17.000 in any professional sex study.

01:43:18.500 It unfortunately is not.

01:43:20.500 It really isn't.

01:43:21.340 I know, I know it's shocking, but most sex research does not...

01:43:25.100 What's the percentage where basic controls are not being used in sociological studies,

01:43:28.880 which are being done at universities?

01:43:30.280 I have not made a spreadsheet out of all of the studies that I have read, and whether

01:43:37.280 or not they have controls.

01:43:38.680 Yeah, so you don't have anything backing this up at all?

01:43:40.500 What, do you have a spreadsheet?

01:43:42.220 I don't need one.

01:43:43.280 You're the cleaner.

01:43:43.680 You do, actually.

01:43:44.700 How many papers on sex research have you read? 0.98

01:43:48.240 Let's say I made a spreadsheet right now, and I just put all of this is bullshit, and then 1.00

01:43:52.180 mapped out that it's all bullshit. 0.99

01:43:53.800 What would that have to do with anything that we're talking about? 0.99

01:43:56.180 I wouldn't, I would not need a spreadsheet in order to question basic methodology.

01:44:01.720 Would you make these bold claims like, oh, my studies, the ones that I'm doing, actually

01:44:07.760 are less biased than ones which are done by professional universities, and I say, wow,

01:44:11.260 that's a really bold claim.

01:44:13.020 I'm sure you can demonstrate that.

01:44:14.460 And you go, no, actually, I can't.

01:44:15.960 I actually can't demonstrate that.

01:44:17.820 It's like, well, then why should any of that be taken seriously?

01:44:20.400 I've just read a whole bunch of studies, and the vast majority of them, like the biggest

01:44:26.600 data sample size I've read maybe is like 8,000 people.

01:44:31.340 And generally, for example, if you're looking at BDSM, I was like, oh, I wonder what research

01:44:36.680 has been done on BDSM and the kinds of people who like BDSM compared to my sample, for example.

01:44:42.240 And most of the research is, for example, people will go to BDSM forums, and then they

01:44:47.420 post a link to the survey.

01:44:48.440 This is academics.

01:44:49.020 This is the published research on this.

01:44:51.480 It's not great.

01:44:52.320 This is one.

01:44:53.180 This is one.

01:44:53.800 I'm giving an example of something that is very common for all of it.

01:44:57.020 Listen, I'm not looking for your outlier examples of when they're not outliers.

01:45:00.780 They're really not.

01:45:01.840 And I'm really, it's.

01:45:03.560 You don't have a spreadsheet, right?

01:45:05.240 Don't you need to have a spreadsheet to show that all the controls are going to be used?

01:45:06.920 I have read basically all of the studies on BDSM that I can find.

01:45:11.760 It's possible that there's a bunch of them I haven't found, that all of them mysteriously

01:45:15.000 have good controls.

01:45:15.720 They don't use spot check for peer review study, really.

01:45:17.660 Not the, not like, the thing is you don't necessarily have to, right?

01:45:21.580 It depends on the kinds of things that you're measuring.

01:45:23.420 It's very specific on the data.

01:45:25.200 Yeah, because the controls are going to be, the controls are going to be variable based

01:45:27.400 on the sample size.

01:45:27.440 I need, I need you guys to both make a closing statement on this.

01:45:30.720 I don't really find this particularly material to the conversation.

01:45:33.280 There's actually no good reason.

01:45:34.680 So I went through a bunch of your data, right?

01:45:36.800 And since it's preloaded with essentially teenagers on Twitter, teenagers in other places

01:45:42.080 who are overloading the sample size, not representative of anything, like nothing.

01:45:46.640 There's really no good reason to believe it at all.

01:45:48.700 Representate of teenagers.

01:45:49.960 Hang on.

01:45:50.520 Even if it were the case that it were true, that it's still less biased than what is being

01:45:56.920 put forward by sociologists and sex studies facilities somewhere or universities, that

01:46:02.140 still wouldn't prove your data's good.

01:46:03.760 Even if all their data was wrong, still wouldn't prove your data's good.

01:46:06.680 I agree.

01:46:07.400 It would just prove it's biased.

01:46:09.600 It's selection effects, not necessarily biased.

01:46:11.400 But in general, I agree.

01:46:12.740 And this is why there's lots of techniques that we can use to determine exactly the ways

01:46:16.720 in which it is not representative.

01:46:18.800 And it's a long story, but I can go into all of those techniques that I have.

01:46:27.480 Sorry, he said it was a closing statement.

01:46:28.800 Oh, he asked me to do a closing statement, so I thought I was supposed to just do a second.

01:46:31.760 Time permitting, we can maybe come back to the discourse about validity of surveys and

01:46:39.200 self-reporting and so forth.

01:46:40.500 But I do need to move things on.

01:46:43.560 But you said there's about a 1.5 times ratio gap of dominance for submission in both directions.

01:46:50.700 You mean like in relationships?

01:46:52.680 No, in general.

01:46:53.700 Or are you talking about BDSM?

01:46:55.420 Like for when I asked the men, which was like 250,000 people or something, this holds

01:47:01.020 true even if you delete all of the teenagers and you look at older people.

01:47:03.940 But the people who report, like around 1.5 as many women report being into submission

01:47:10.220 as there are men who report being into dominance.

01:47:12.420 And there are also around 1.5 times the amount of men interested in submission as there are

01:47:17.360 women interested in the amount of dominance. 1.00

01:47:19.060 It's just the absolute numbers are lower.

01:47:21.160 Which is really fascinating.

01:47:22.320 Okay.

01:47:23.040 Interesting.

01:47:23.360 There's a few more notes, but I need to get through a couple things first here, guys.

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01:48:28.680 And then we have a couple messages coming in here via Streamlabs.

01:48:33.580 We have a quick question from Lucas.

01:48:36.180 Let's see.

01:48:36.880 Lucas says, question from wife. 0.93

01:48:40.100 If husband is, one, impeccably competent, virtuous and moral.

01:48:45.100 Two, he's a New York City big law partner, attorney.

01:48:49.100 Three, seven figures, sole breadwinner.

01:48:51.580 Four, six foot four, in shape.

01:48:53.620 Five.

01:48:56.080 Oh, question from wife. 0.97

01:48:57.260 I get to be the stay-at-home mom.

01:48:59.100 Should I submit to his authority unconditionally?

01:49:01.700 I guess going around the table if you want to answer that question.

01:49:03.800 I don't understand.

01:49:04.260 So, basically, it's a question from a woman, from the wife. 0.91

01:49:08.220 So, her husband is awesome, attorney, high earner, tall, attractive, physically attractive.

01:49:18.380 She gets to stay home.

01:49:19.720 She doesn't have to work.

01:49:21.140 Stay-at-home mom.

01:49:22.920 Should she submit to his authority unconditionally?

01:49:27.080 Going around the table.

01:49:28.060 Unconditionally?

01:49:28.940 Unconditionally.

01:49:29.300 I'm afraid that if I just am going to take so many issues with the definitions of words that everybody is going to be annoyed.

01:49:36.640 Unconditionally.

01:49:37.120 What do you mean?

01:49:38.320 I absolutely love getting into the definition of words and semantics.

01:49:41.100 Well, we already talked about this particular conversation for quite a bit.

01:49:43.900 Unconditionally, and see if we agree or disagree with it.

01:49:45.880 I mean, it's conditional on him being him, right?

01:49:48.380 So, like, if we enter a transhumanist future where you slowly change all the atoms in his body until he no longer is himself. 0.93

01:49:53.800 You cannot unconditionally be only one person.

01:49:56.660 Question pertinent to a transhumanist future.

01:50:00.860 It's conditional, right?

01:50:02.120 There is no condition under which one would not submit.

01:50:05.420 And I just find that, anyway, this is why I'm saying we should, people will be annoyed.

01:50:10.040 Well, then the answer would be no.

01:50:13.140 Yes.

01:50:14.380 Yeah, so then I don't know why you needed the word defined if you already knew that the answer was no.

01:50:18.480 That's really weird.

01:50:19.340 It almost seems like you're being pedantic.

01:50:21.220 I am a weird person.

01:50:23.480 No, no, no, that's not weird.

01:50:24.880 That's pedantry.

01:50:26.000 And the thing is, like, if it is the case that you know what's being asked and that you purposely obfuscate, right, that's what I was talking about earlier about low tier.

01:50:35.420 Just so you know.

01:50:36.440 That's what that means.

01:50:37.540 Oh, thanks for letting me know I'm low tier.

01:50:39.840 You're welcome.

01:50:40.900 At least your philosophy is.

01:50:43.700 Unconditionally, no.

01:50:44.620 Okay.

01:50:45.280 Lily, what about you?

01:50:46.060 No, no.

01:50:47.040 No.

01:50:47.880 Not unconditionally.

01:50:49.880 Nope.

01:50:51.580 I will say yes in the sense of if he's, you can always say your piece.

01:50:59.820 Say your piece, you can compromise, and if he does respect you and love you, he will change his answer to at least compromise.

01:51:07.400 If he doesn't change the answer to compromise, then unfortunately, like, you can walk out tomorrow, I guess, and then you're just going to be homeless.

01:51:16.600 Sure.

01:51:17.260 What about you?

01:51:18.900 No.

01:51:19.480 I think all relationships have rules, and if someone is breaking those rules, then they have to reconsider the relationship altogether.

01:51:27.960 Okay.

01:51:28.440 All right.

01:51:28.760 Thank you, Lucas, for the message we have.

01:51:30.060 Meet the Kaiser says, what's up, Brian?

01:51:31.920 Quite the panel.

01:51:33.880 Good back and forth earlier.

01:51:35.140 Candice and Andrew is the best team up I've seen on the Internet since Eva Lavia and Abela Danger.

01:51:42.080 Okay.

01:51:43.040 All right.

01:51:43.860 Have fun or cheers, whatever they say in the U.K.

01:51:47.560 Yo, thank you, guys.

01:51:48.160 Candice had a bunch of really mean things that she said about me, even though I've never talked about her or even discussed her or even knew anything about her.

01:51:54.940 She said some really mean things.

01:51:56.040 Essentially the video, Brian.

01:51:57.500 I would actually like her to respond to all the mean things that she said.

01:51:59.860 She made a lot of horrible allegations, too, that weren't true.

01:52:02.180 I don't know.

01:52:02.660 I don't know if – is this something you want to get into or –

01:52:07.620 I mean, if that's what you want to spend –

01:52:09.000 I would like to get into it because you said some pretty mean things about me, and I didn't – what did I ever do to you?

01:52:13.640 I didn't kick your puppy or anything.

01:52:15.160 Well, no, but I think you would probably agree and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you decide to be on the Internet and make content,

01:52:21.600 then you're going to be subject to other people having an opinion on it, no?

01:52:24.420 The great thing is, though, is that when I make commentary on what other people say, I don't lie and do my research.

01:52:30.060 You lied multiple times.

01:52:31.440 What did I lie about?

01:52:32.240 About me.

01:52:33.040 Yeah, go over it.

01:52:33.700 Well, you made a – here's the most serious allegation.

01:52:36.680 You said that I had a belief that if men cheat and women cheat, that it's okay for men to cheat and not okay for women to cheat.

01:52:43.640 Or, I'm sorry, vice versa, it's okay for men to cheat and not okay for women, right? 0.88

01:52:47.680 I don't know if it was –

01:52:48.560 Not only have I literally never said that once, the opposite, in fact, emphatically, you also pulled me in with red pillars, of which I'm not.

01:52:57.180 I'm a Christian ethicist, right?

01:52:58.880 You lied over and over and over because you didn't do any research whatsoever, and I would like you to answer as to, like,

01:53:05.140 why you think it's okay to lie about people on the Internet who have never done anything to you.

01:53:08.900 Well, I certainly didn't lie, and you'd have to pull up the exact tweet where I'm naming you specifically.

01:53:13.420 I don't need the tweet.

01:53:14.180 I have the clip.

01:53:14.940 I sent it to Brian.

01:53:15.600 I know, but it has to be addressing who I'm talking about because you've had multiple male hosts.

01:53:20.420 You say my name, Andrew.

01:53:21.160 You say my name, Andrew, and then go through and accuse me of these things.

01:53:25.200 Do I say Andrew?

01:53:26.840 Yes.

01:53:28.780 I don't know.

01:53:29.780 Okay, we can pull it.

01:53:30.840 I got the clip.

01:53:31.600 No, I'm not –

01:53:33.180 I mean, I need to pre-send, right?

01:53:35.260 You sent it to me 20 minutes before the show.

01:53:37.940 I didn't have time to review it.

01:53:39.600 I have to pre-screen it before I show it live.

01:53:43.280 Were you talking about Andrew Tate?

01:53:44.860 No, it could have been Andrew – no, it could absolutely have been Andrew Tate, and then there have been –

01:53:48.380 Did she say –

01:53:49.020 Well, hold on, because you're asking a question.

01:53:50.640 I'm not even being allowed to ask it.

01:53:51.340 No, no, but I'm referencing whatever, unless Andrew Tate is written or whatever.

01:53:54.280 No, it could have been whatever, but here's – I honestly – I didn't know your name until I was coming on the show, to be honest.

01:53:59.920 So if I said Andrew, it could have been me misspeaking, because there have been other men that were hosting on here.

01:54:04.440 And then it was a clip that – I don't even know how old it was.

01:54:08.120 I think it was a different studio as well.

01:54:10.040 It was referring to one of the male, like, either hosts or guests, and I'm not sure what his role was.

01:54:14.520 Yeah, that was me.

01:54:15.760 Okay, so then why would I say it about you if you didn't say it?

01:54:18.100 There was a clip on this podcast with –

01:54:20.360 That's what's in question.

01:54:21.640 I don't know why you would attribute it to me.

01:54:22.920 Well, then I would have to find the clip in question, so that's not –

01:54:25.540 You don't have to, because I sent it.

01:54:27.580 No, I'm saying I would have to – oh, my goodness.

01:54:30.860 This isn't a conversation.

01:54:31.940 I'm saying I would have to find the clip that I was commentating on, because it is possible that maybe I said the wrong name.

01:54:38.460 And if that's true, I would apologize.

01:54:40.620 My intention is not to lie, but there was absolutely a clip that I saw on this podcast.

01:54:45.240 And, again, I don't know if it was a host or a guest.

01:54:49.120 And the argument was that if – and I don't think it was you.

01:54:53.160 I think it was a younger host.

01:54:55.760 And maybe he wasn't a host.

01:54:56.820 Maybe he was a guest.

01:54:57.540 But he was saying that if a man was abusing his wife, that it was the wife's duty to seek counseling within the church and not divorce,

01:55:05.540 but if the woman cheated, that that would be grounds for divorce. 1.00

01:55:07.960 That was the clip that was circulating.

01:55:09.760 Is it possible that it got edited and what I watched was not true?

01:55:12.640 And that's what I'm saying.

01:55:13.420 If I was prepared, I could come with the clip that I was commentating on.

01:55:16.540 And if the clip was inaccurate or if I missaid the name, I will apologize without, like, any embarrassment whatsoever,

01:55:22.940 because I don't want to misspeak or lie.

01:55:24.720 That's not my intention.

01:55:25.820 But I can't do that because I don't have the clip.

01:55:27.760 I don't even have a phone.

01:55:30.000 Yeah.

01:55:30.900 Unfortunately, I can't debunk this if we can't play it.

01:55:35.440 But what I am going to say is this, is, like, it definitely was an attribution and a mischaracterization of anything I've ever said and total nonsense.

01:55:47.420 So, yeah, I did want to get into it.

01:55:50.620 But if we can't get into it, we can't get into it.

01:55:52.720 Yeah.

01:55:53.060 And, again, I don't think I was saying it about you because I don't know the guy's name.

01:55:55.920 He's, like, clean-cut, younger dude.

01:56:00.120 It could have just been me without a beard.

01:56:01.960 No, no, I'm sure it wasn't you because the guy, like, he looked like he was in his 20s.

01:56:07.400 Okay.

01:56:09.620 And his name was Andrew.

01:56:10.880 I don't know that I, again, I don't have the clip, so I can't say it.

01:56:13.860 And if I said Andrew, it could have been me just using the wrong name because I literally had my producer, like, send me little bios of you guys before I came here.

01:56:21.660 And he said, end quote, those guys who host that show, right, they like nothing better than to be in a room so that they can abuse women and you'll never see them debating with men.

01:56:33.540 Well, yeah, and you would say that there have been good conversations on the Internet with you that are treating women with respect.

01:56:41.220 Like, that's what this podcast is known for is really reasonable conversations where everyone is mutually talking to each other with respect.

01:56:47.720 Yeah, that has not – let's assume for a second everybody is always fighting on here and yelling at each other and screaming at each other.

01:56:54.480 So what? 0.83

01:56:54.960 That has nothing to do with your claim that men on here would much rather be sitting across from women and debating with women because they're – essentially you're inferring that they're a bunch of cowards. 0.96

01:57:03.860 And here's the thing that's so funny.

01:57:04.940 It's like I actually am quite famous for debating men around the world, especially on these topics, right?

01:57:10.860 Like, it's – in some ways, right, I've been accused of – it's not dignified enough for me to give you guys even the time of day.

01:57:22.300 Yet I think that that is actually a very mean-spirited thing to say.

01:57:26.740 I think that you guys deserve, if you have arguments and things like that, to have them heard out.

01:57:32.260 That almost seems like it's anti-misogynistic to me in that you have a misogynistic position.

01:57:36.900 Well, I don't believe that that's true at all.

01:57:38.580 I don't think that you're genuinely here to, like, listen or change opinions on anything because that doesn't make good content.

01:57:44.040 Change thousands upon thousands of opinions.

01:57:45.960 It may not change yours, but remember that these clips and views go out to millions of people.

01:57:51.940 And the idea is not – and this is every debate which exists, by the way – the idea is not necessarily to change the opponent's mind.

01:57:58.620 The opponent is there to represent their worldview, and I'm here to represent mine.

01:58:02.320 It is not necessarily to change your mind, though that has happened, too.

01:58:06.160 It ultimately is to put our worldviews against each other and see which one makes more sense, at least to the general public.

01:58:12.680 So, yeah, I think I've changed tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of minds even.

01:58:17.960 Sure, but, I mean, to count – to push back on the idea that you would be accepting of having men on the show, there have been multiple times.

01:58:25.080 And, for example, there was a Navy SEAL friend of mine that was supposed to come on the show with a girl to do the debate, flew in, and was turned down at the door after they paid for all of their expenses.

01:58:38.340 And I've heard several of those stories.

01:58:40.800 And then I was supposed to come on with a friend, too, who is former special ops.

01:58:44.640 He couldn't come on because he ended up having to shoot a movie.

01:58:48.380 We were going to replace him.

01:58:49.440 And they're like, actually, no, we don't want any men.

01:58:51.920 And if you want, you could bring a girlfriend.

01:58:53.560 So, I mean, that's not entirely honest either.

01:58:56.220 Hold on.

01:58:56.580 I've debated many men on the show.

01:58:58.300 Hold on, Andrew.

01:58:59.040 Let me address that.

01:59:00.860 So, let's address your first point.

01:59:03.080 Who came on who was turned away from the door?

01:59:06.780 Literally never happened.

01:59:08.100 Totally fake news.

01:59:09.040 But who was it?

01:59:09.820 Oh, I don't have the name.

01:59:10.860 It was like a friend of a friend and a guest.

01:59:12.700 So, just to be clear, we booked a Navy SEAL.

01:59:17.100 So, it didn't happen?

01:59:17.920 So, it didn't happen?

01:59:19.040 Yeah.

01:59:19.280 I mean, so, you're claiming we booked a Navy SEAL.

01:59:23.360 He showed up at the door.

01:59:24.640 That's what I heard.

01:59:25.240 He was scheduled to be on the show.

01:59:26.300 With a female, yeah. 0.99

01:59:27.700 A female. 0.96

01:59:28.240 And he was turned away.

01:59:29.140 Yeah.

01:59:29.720 This is entirely fake news.

01:59:32.520 Do you know who the girl was?

01:59:33.760 No.

01:59:34.160 And then I also heard from one degree of way, and I'm not going to say his name, but that

01:59:39.660 he's had friends come on the show, and their mic was muted the whole time, or that the

01:59:44.680 content gets edited in a way to make them look bad.

01:59:47.500 Well, hold on.

01:59:48.260 We can address some of those different arguments, but let's start with the one of us turning

01:59:52.680 a Navy SEAL away at the door.

01:59:54.960 First off, are you sure he was booked?

01:59:57.800 Because sometimes women will show up with a dude. 1.00

02:00:00.540 No, I'm not.

02:00:01.400 And maybe that was misunderstood.

02:00:02.760 Hold on.

02:00:04.700 Like, girls will show up with a plus one that wasn't cleared by us, and we're like, the

02:00:10.880 only people who we allow in the building have to be scheduled to be on the show.

02:00:16.440 Sometimes girls will bring their boyfriends, and they'll try to like, oh, can I hop on the 1.00

02:00:20.160 show?

02:00:21.580 I don't even think I've talked to a Navy SEAL, and I do all the guest booking.

02:00:27.520 I do all the guest booking.

02:00:28.640 Okay.

02:00:28.840 So I'm very close and familiar to who does and does not come on the show.

02:00:33.700 This is entirely fabricated.

02:00:35.620 Okay.

02:00:36.080 That could be true.

02:00:36.620 So I don't know why some Navy SEAL, you'd assume this is a person of good moral character,

02:00:41.660 is lying about being booked on the show?

02:00:44.580 By the way, that's in that clip I sent you.

02:00:45.680 That particular accusation, she makes it in the clip.

02:00:47.960 I saw the clip.

02:00:49.460 Yeah, this person, you know, showed up at the door, everything was paid for, they were

02:00:54.620 invited, this type of thing.

02:00:55.840 Totally fabricated.

02:00:57.060 Absolutely fabricated.

02:00:58.020 So again, here's why I take issue with it, right?

02:01:00.780 To be fair.

02:01:03.920 Why is it that I'm not allowed to ask you, like, did you ever even reach out to Brian

02:01:09.100 to confirm that?

02:01:10.040 Did you ever do any research on it before you decided that you'd put that out there to

02:01:14.220 thousands upon thousands of people?

02:01:16.000 You didn't even bother, right?

02:01:17.280 You didn't even like bother to even ask about it.

02:01:19.420 You just put it out there.

02:01:20.560 And it's like, so of course I consider that to be slanderous and lying and nonsense, right?

02:01:26.380 Because, I mean, did you do any due diligence to verify?

02:01:29.280 How many episodes do you have men on that have opposing opinions?

02:01:33.440 So it's just pattern recognition.

02:01:35.320 So if me saying that you don't have men on to debate, you don't have men on to debate.

02:01:38.980 Look at the table right now.

02:01:40.240 You don't have men on to debate.

02:01:41.440 Yeah, how's that relevant to the actual false accusation?

02:01:43.400 No, it's relevant to saying that you don't have men on to debate.

02:01:46.140 We've had Destiny, Destiny is who's like one of the strongest left-wing debaters.

02:01:49.740 That's one person, so it's almost like that exception is actually proving the rule.

02:01:52.780 Like, if it was normal that you would have, like...

02:01:54.260 I mean, that's the format of the show.

02:01:57.120 Sure.

02:01:57.660 That's...

02:01:58.020 Yeah, exactly, though.

02:01:59.640 So why...

02:02:00.160 But why is that the format?

02:02:01.380 But how does that...

02:02:01.980 Why is it always just women? 1.00

02:02:03.360 But, okay, how does that pertain?

02:02:05.300 It's not always just women. 0.98

02:02:06.340 It's usually just women. 1.00

02:02:07.680 The other thing is the exception.

02:02:08.820 Hold on, we brought on Viva. 1.00

02:02:10.500 Well, hold on.

02:02:11.100 Viva's not a good...

02:02:11.880 Viva's not a good...

02:02:12.800 Yeah, I've done a multitude of debates on whatever between myself and men, just by ourselves

02:02:17.960 in the studio, in fact.

02:02:19.100 And there's been other times where there's been men on these panels, and I'm happy to debate

02:02:23.240 them.

02:02:23.460 I debate with men all over the world.

02:02:25.200 You stats, right?

02:02:26.000 What percent are men?

02:02:26.980 We need a spreadsheet.

02:02:27.500 I mean, but how does that pertain to the false accusation?

02:02:30.360 Like, that's a totally...

02:02:31.100 Right.

02:02:32.060 It's a red hair.

02:02:33.260 Yeah, it's a...

02:02:33.880 I don't know if it's shifting the goalposts or whatever, but I mean, I must be prepared

02:02:39.820 to do a wager here.

02:02:41.240 If you can provide any sort of evidence, mind you, I've spoken to thousands of people,

02:02:45.840 right?

02:02:46.280 I'm so confident that this is totally fabricated and made up, that a Navy SEAL showed up at

02:02:52.140 our door, we had him on schedule, and then we're like, oh, actually, no. 1.00

02:02:56.120 Fuck you. 1.00

02:02:56.820 You spent all this money to come here. 1.00

02:02:58.760 Never happened.

02:02:59.940 Show me the evidence.

02:03:01.480 Show me the proof.

02:03:02.460 I'm happy to inquire about it, for sure.

02:03:04.320 Yeah.

02:03:04.480 Show me the proof.

02:03:04.900 Yeah.

02:03:05.140 I will pay.

02:03:05.960 You know what?

02:03:06.420 Do you want to do a wager on this?

02:03:07.700 I'm ready to do a wager.

02:03:08.560 No, I'm not betting, because I mean, I have no idea.

02:03:11.540 I don't have skin in the game.

02:03:12.660 He's just joking around, right?

02:03:15.600 We're on YouTube.

02:03:16.340 Brian would never make a wager.

02:03:17.980 What he's saying is, he's just so confident.

02:03:21.580 I'm very confident.

02:03:22.380 He was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there, but ultimately, that's why.

02:03:27.060 That's why I wanted to address this, because I'm like, well, okay, how many fabrications

02:03:32.660 has this girl made about this podcast and about its hosts that are just completely not true?

02:03:38.660 But then they get out in the ethos like they are true.

02:03:41.180 Well, no.

02:03:41.500 And then, so, anecdotally speaking, obviously, that doesn't say anything at scale, but I

02:03:47.100 think the first time I was invited on the show was probably like two or three years ago.

02:03:50.320 And it was in response to a clip that I had going, was called Cancelled Weekly, with Gerard Michaels

02:03:55.920 and Mickey Gall.

02:03:56.640 Sure.

02:03:57.040 And the response was to have me come on, but not the other two co-hosts that were male.

02:04:02.800 And so that...

02:04:03.960 I'll look at the message history and...

02:04:06.040 Yeah, I don't know if it was to me or Gerard, if there was a group, I'm not sure.

02:04:09.240 Sure.

02:04:10.480 But the invitation was extended to them.

02:04:14.160 And then when JT was supposed to come and then that got canceled, then the response was...

02:04:19.400 You got canceled by him, mind you.

02:04:20.500 No, no, yeah, for sure.

02:04:21.300 We had, just to be clear, we had you and him.

02:04:24.100 Yeah, not canceled by him.

02:04:25.260 Or no, I'm sorry, not canceled by you, by him.

02:04:27.400 Yeah, absolutely.

02:04:28.080 So we were prepared to have him and you on the show.

02:04:30.760 He canceled.

02:04:31.740 And then we were like, well, do you still want to come?

02:04:34.240 Fine, you didn't want to do it.

02:04:35.680 But yeah, no, I reached out.

02:04:37.720 You reacted to this clip of me having a back and forth with this obnoxious woman who came 1.00

02:04:42.900 on intentionally to troll the show, and I had to kick her off the show. 1.00

02:04:45.480 But as it pertains to the kind of initial reach out, which was back in February of 2024,

02:04:54.720 you said you wanted to be a guest, but the stipulation is the guys have to be able to

02:04:58.120 join.

02:04:58.760 And I said, we could accommodate, excuse me, we could accommodate one of your male guests.

02:05:03.580 So we didn't outright deny them, but I was like, well, we can have one.

02:05:07.820 We typically only like to book two people together.

02:05:10.120 It's just kind of our policy.

02:05:11.160 And here's my further challenge.

02:05:12.960 You can get anybody who you want, who has issues with any of my views, who's a man.

02:05:18.820 You can stack that whole panel.

02:05:20.160 I'll fly out there and debate all of them in person happily.

02:05:23.400 And here's exactly what will happen.

02:05:25.580 Nothing.

02:05:26.200 They'll all lose the debate.

02:05:27.320 I'll laugh hysterically.

02:05:28.520 That'll be, it's a perfect day.

02:05:30.180 Like, go let them know.

02:05:31.600 Okay.

02:05:31.900 Yeah.

02:05:32.000 And just to like, actually, and if you want to verify this, but in March, I said, we could

02:05:39.680 accommodate one of your male co-hosts. 0.78

02:05:41.420 And I asked if you primarily want to debate the kickoff of that one girl who came on and

02:05:45.820 trolled, uh, to which you didn't respond.

02:05:48.040 I checked in a week later, checking in, checked in two weeks later.

02:05:51.640 Hey, just want to follow up one last time.

02:05:53.380 See if you're still interested.

02:05:54.540 Did not hear from you until September of 2024.

02:05:57.360 Uh, wanted to see if there's still an invitation, JT, he wants to come on.

02:06:03.480 Um, and then, uh, let's see.

02:06:06.960 We locked you in for, or wait, hold on.

02:06:11.420 When did we lock you in for?

02:06:14.880 Uh.

02:06:15.240 Oh, we were in a group chat, so I don't see.

02:06:17.860 It disappeared, I think.

02:06:18.380 We were in a group chat, so I don't see the, and then we shifted the conversation over there.

02:06:22.000 We had you scheduled at some time in the fall.

02:06:24.380 Mm-hmm.

02:06:24.580 He canceled a week prior because of a movie, I don't know, whatever.

02:06:30.100 Mm-hmm.

02:06:30.220 Not a big deal.

02:06:30.920 People have to reschedule, not a big thing.

02:06:32.660 Mm-hmm.

02:06:33.000 But, I think that would indicate that we were prepared to have a male, a male guest on.

02:06:37.980 By the way, just so you know, the clip title, the clip title is, it says, Andrew Wilson Cringe.

02:06:42.020 Just so you know, my name is Andrew Wilson, and there's never been, to my knowledge, another

02:06:47.460 Andrew Wilson on the whatever podcast.

02:06:49.460 I don't make the clips.

02:06:50.540 I'm just letting you know that the clip is called Andrew Wilson Cringe.

02:06:54.300 It sure seems like you are referencing me.

02:06:58.560 If it's called Andrew Wilson, I'm just kidding.

02:07:00.320 That's the editor, unless my mouth said your name, which I don't think it did.

02:07:05.180 It did.

02:07:05.760 I mean, it did.

02:07:06.540 It said Andrew, and then it says Andrew Wilson Cringe.

02:07:09.260 Okay, so I was probably talking about Tate, and then the editors probably put your name.

02:07:14.500 I have no idea because I don't have the clip.

02:07:16.760 Why would you be referencing Tate?

02:07:18.240 I don't know.

02:07:19.120 I don't have the clip.

02:07:20.400 I don't have the clip.

02:07:21.240 I don't want to linger too long on the meta conversation because it's, you know, whatever.

02:07:38.180 But, and wait, just really one thing.

02:07:40.380 Yeah.

02:07:40.540 Just Andrew, he wants to pull up the clip.

02:07:41.980 You said that there were, like, other people who, like, we kicked them out, or, like, we, like, denied them at the door?

02:07:51.100 That's what I heard, yeah.

02:07:53.500 From, like, a friend.

02:07:55.280 We denied them at the door.

02:07:56.160 Yeah, like, it was my friend's friend, and, like, he didn't see, he didn't see them, like, a liar.

02:08:01.560 So, yeah.

02:08:02.180 Wait, so, just, and just so I understand the situation correctly, we had him on schedule.

02:08:06.360 Like, he showed up.

02:08:07.040 That was what was.

02:08:08.280 No, but he showed up, and we're, like, oh, sorry.

02:08:11.300 That's what I was told.

02:08:11.420 That's what I was told, that it was only, like, she, the only the woman was allowed on.

02:08:15.880 So, yeah.

02:08:16.260 Yeah, never happened.

02:08:16.640 Okay.

02:08:17.100 Never happened.

02:08:17.940 If you can.

02:08:18.380 I can't argue because I don't have any, I don't have anything.

02:08:20.740 So, I'm not arguing.

02:08:21.200 I feel like we're, like, trying to make an argument when I'm saying I don't have an argument.

02:08:24.780 No, I'm not really arguing with you.

02:08:25.900 I just want to clear, clear the air.

02:08:27.960 Yeah, I'm not.

02:08:29.780 I think it would be kind of rude to, like, invite somebody on. 1.00

02:08:32.880 They spend money to come here, and then we're just like, oh, fuck you. 1.00

02:08:36.860 No, I know. 1.00

02:08:37.700 Like, we've never done that.

02:08:38.600 It sounds crazy.

02:08:39.700 That would be super fun.

02:08:40.760 We've never done that.

02:08:42.280 Never.

02:08:42.480 I mean, there's, like, opposition.

02:08:46.620 In fact, I can give you a story of a time where there's been regret.

02:08:50.900 Like, Brian's like, maybe I shouldn't have invited this person, but, man, they spent this money to come out here,

02:08:55.120 so I'm going to let them on anyway.

02:08:57.040 Right?

02:08:57.400 Like, that's more Brian's attitude than the alternative.

02:09:02.520 Yeah.

02:09:04.540 Anyways, I don't know why people are making up these lies.

02:09:10.100 I'd be curious to see.

02:09:11.140 I mean, you don't have to show me, but obviously not now on the podcast, but I'd be curious to see the actual basis for these claims,

02:09:19.320 because it's completely dubious and false.

02:09:23.380 But, and also, like, I mean, I don't know.

02:09:27.740 Anyways, whatever.

02:09:28.380 Why don't we just play the clip, and then we'll move on to the next thing.

02:09:33.440 What? 0.99

02:09:33.760 Who took the fucking 320p? 0.99

02:09:34.960 This is not the clip that I'm talking about. 0.99

02:09:37.360 Go ahead.

02:09:37.700 Just play it.

02:09:38.820 And I'm pretty sure I've seen Chris who speak on this.

02:09:40.660 If a woman cheats, or if she's unfaithful because her man's not, he should just leave her.

02:09:44.460 Right, so a guy's allowed to exit the relationship, and her behavior is never justifiable. 0.99

02:09:48.280 Here, I'll do it.

02:09:49.160 If he cheats with nothing but compassion, she deserved it. 0.99

02:09:51.320 So just super hypocritical. 0.99

02:09:52.340 Beauty sex is terrible, but also don't weaponize it. 1.00

02:09:54.220 So it's a this and thing, and you have to check in with it.

02:09:55.960 And I'm curious how long any of these people have been married, and how many children they have, and how happy they are.

02:09:59.200 Because there's also this idea that no matter what you have to say in a relationship, especially if there's kids,

02:10:02.120 and I don't know that that's true, I think that they deserve to see their parents in love.

02:10:04.880 And if you can't make that happen, I think there are way worse things by sticking it out for the kids.

02:10:08.660 That's something I've kind of come around on as well.

02:10:10.480 So I don't know, I hate this person so bad.

02:10:13.980 We were actually supposed to go, me and a friend, go on the show.

02:10:16.380 I don't think it's going to happen because we did some due diligence, and they in the past have brought on a Navy SEAL.

02:10:20.480 He flies all the way to Northern California to do the show.

02:10:22.400 Knock, knock. 0.93

02:10:22.860 Actually, we don't want to have you on.

02:10:23.880 And it's because if you bring on a man, especially an alpha, these guys cannot stand it.

02:10:27.240 They cannot stand it.

02:10:27.840 All they want to do is sit across from women and bully them and badger them and dunk on them, 1.00

02:10:31.200 and it's just an excuse to exercise actual sexism. 1.00

02:10:33.580 And I don't use that word a lot because I don't think that it is as prevalent as it used to be and as much of a problem.

02:10:36.860 But with this community, it absolutely is.

02:10:38.080 Please don't get your relationship advice from there.

02:10:39.880 Look for healthy, healed, whole, masculine role models. 0.87

02:10:42.320 This is not it.

02:10:43.020 If you are blaming half of the population for all of your problems and the answers, it's always just women, it's always just e-girls, it's always whatever, you might be the problem, buddy. 1.00

02:10:50.400 So this was on duty sex. 0.59

02:10:52.160 This wasn't on the beating or the divorce or cheating. 0.67

02:10:56.500 I think that was in reference to a duty sex tweet.

02:11:00.840 Yeah, I got it.

02:11:02.200 That's not what we were talking about earlier, though.

02:11:04.060 We weren't talking about duty sex earlier.

02:11:05.020 It's referencing me, and the position is actually incorrect.

02:11:08.500 Again, the referent is wrong.

02:11:10.400 Do we have your tweet on duty sex?

02:11:12.100 It's incorrect.

02:11:13.700 What's that?

02:11:14.280 Do we have the tweet that was on duty sex?

02:11:17.060 Yeah, so this is a – what you're referencing is we're talking from a Christian paradigm.

02:11:20.860 So from a Christian – it's not a statement that women have or don't have duty sex.

02:11:25.960 It's a statement from the position of the Christian or the Muslim paradigm or, let's say, ex-paradigm that within that paradigm there is a duty that women have to fulfill the obligation of the marriage. 0.52

02:11:38.560 And part of that would be sex, yeah. 0.63

02:11:41.740 Yeah, it just seems like we're talking about multiple – we're talking about different things because initially we were talking about abuse and cheating and divorce, and then now we're circling to duty sex.

02:11:51.940 And then when I see Rachel Wilson in the comments, I don't make my titles.

02:11:57.040 I don't think anyone does.

02:11:58.480 So when it says that, that's not me.

02:12:02.340 So I don't know.

02:12:02.720 Yeah, I know, but she said you did your due diligence.

02:12:05.140 We did our due diligence. 0.99

02:12:07.140 We checked into this, and the whole thing's bullshit. 0.99

02:12:09.780 What due diligence did you do? 1.00

02:12:11.820 I'm commenting on a tweet on duty sex.

02:12:14.440 That's what I was doing.

02:12:15.120 Yeah, no, no, no.

02:12:15.860 You said we did our due diligence when it came to the Navy SEAL and this type of thing.

02:12:19.080 Oh, my due diligence was asking references that I trusted.

02:12:23.140 So, I mean, if you're saying –

02:12:23.920 Why didn't you ask Brian?

02:12:24.960 Wouldn't that be your due diligence?

02:12:26.280 Well, no, it wouldn't because if I don't believe that he's an honest actor –

02:12:29.840 I would lie.

02:12:29.860 Right, but we've – no, because we've never met before, and all I've seen is like a –

02:12:33.400 Wait, can I ask you one – yeah, yeah, can I ask you one question?

02:12:35.940 Well, no, I'm – every time you ask me a question, I get cut off, and then if I try to talk, then you guys are like, no, let me finish.

02:12:42.080 So it's different rules for everybody.

02:12:43.360 Look, you've talked way more than we have, just so you know, but go ahead.

02:12:46.480 I was – you're asking what my due diligence was, and I was saying that I asked people that had said that they were either on the show, came on the show, their experience.

02:12:54.120 So it's people that I would know or trust.

02:12:56.080 So to reach out to someone that I already kind of see as a position of being in an adversarial position, like, there's not really any – there's not trust built.

02:13:04.320 So if you say something, I don't know you or your character.

02:13:06.880 Yeah, that's totally fine.

02:13:07.480 I mean, just one question, though.

02:13:08.800 Did you hear it directly from the said Navy SEAL?

02:13:12.020 I can't say – I'm not –

02:13:13.560 No, but like sometimes you –

02:13:14.420 I'm not throwing people under the bus.

02:13:16.080 A friend told you that they knew somebody who knew a Navy SEAL.

02:13:19.720 Like, was it –

02:13:20.780 I can't because it's going to give people away.

02:13:22.560 I know.

02:13:22.960 I'm sorry.

02:13:23.480 No, but it's not –

02:13:24.200 I'm not asking who it is.

02:13:25.100 I'm just asking, did you hear it from the person?

02:13:27.480 I know, but the line of questioning is going to, like, throw certain people under the bus, and I'm not – I can't do that.

02:13:31.360 I mean, they threw me under the bus, but that's fine.

02:13:32.780 Whatever.

02:13:33.600 In any case –

02:13:36.420 Don't even, like, reporters, when they have a story that they're commenting on, don't they contact the source and verify it?

02:13:45.880 Like, just ask them, hey, did this even happen?

02:13:48.600 Like, how hard would that have been – if it's due diligence, like, how hard would it have actually been to just say, hey, did this actually happen?

02:13:54.880 I guess we disagree on how I should have approached it, and that's fine.

02:13:59.240 Well, yeah, I mean, I'm guessing that you would not appreciate me putting a video out to hundreds of thousands of people,

02:14:05.820 which was filled with besmirching lies about you if I didn't do my, quote, due diligence.

02:14:10.840 And maybe, like, I would have just DM'd you.

02:14:12.860 I would have been like, hey, is this actually true?

02:14:14.780 Like, is this actually what's going on?

02:14:16.880 And then I'd get the other side of the story, right?

02:14:18.520 I'm sure you would actually appreciate that more, wouldn't you?

02:14:20.840 I mean, I would, absolutely, but if I have full trust in someone else and they tell me something

02:14:25.100 and they've done nothing to allude to the fact that, like, I need to be doubting what they're saying,

02:14:30.460 then, like, why wouldn't I believe them?

02:14:33.380 I don't know, because you did your due diligence.

02:14:36.500 I guess, yeah.

02:14:37.300 That's what it means, right?

02:14:39.020 Sure.

02:14:39.840 But anyway, all right.

02:14:41.400 I mean, also just to, like, I guess provide you with an opportunity to potentially even verify the story.

02:14:47.300 Like, if you want to get up and, like, text the individual and be like, hey, is this, like, do you have any evidence for this?

02:14:53.260 Like, what were the messaging messages?

02:14:54.120 I can ask, and then I can ask if he's willing for me to share it.

02:14:58.100 Sure, I could do that.

02:14:59.440 I'm happy to.

02:14:59.960 I mean, I feel like it would be important for a Navy SEAL to, like, that seems kind of like a position of, I don't know.

02:15:09.760 Integrity.

02:15:10.080 Very honorable position.

02:15:11.200 Like, he should clear this up.

02:15:14.820 I agree.

02:15:15.600 I think he should clear it up.

02:15:17.180 Yeah, I agree with that.

02:15:18.040 Oh, no.

02:15:18.580 Sure.

02:15:18.780 That seems fair.

02:15:19.360 Yeah, I'm willing to text.

02:15:19.960 Because, like, I'm a.

02:15:20.560 I'm willing to text the person.

02:15:22.020 Yeah.

02:15:22.160 That seems reasonable, but, I mean, I can tell you, yeah, just totally.

02:15:29.860 Yeah, I'm not trying to argue.

02:15:30.880 I'm willing to ask.

02:15:31.500 No, no, that's totally fine.

02:15:32.080 Yeah, that's totally fine.

02:15:33.160 But, and you said there were, like, other people who also got turned away?

02:15:36.180 I was curious about that, too.

02:15:37.280 Same, it was the same person.

02:15:40.400 The same, not the same individual, like, the same person, like, was putting feelers out.

02:15:44.280 And they've had, I don't know the girls' names, but, like, a bunch of, like, their girlfriends

02:15:49.260 have come on, and, like, they were sharing stories with him, and then, like, there was

02:15:55.280 a couple stories where guys got turned away, but it could have been what you were saying,

02:15:57.780 right, where they weren't approved, and they weren't supposed to be on the show in the

02:16:00.280 first place.

02:16:00.780 I mean, we get dozens of messages a day of people requesting to be on the show.

02:16:05.440 Well, no, like, physically.

02:16:05.920 So, when it comes to, yeah, but, I mean, we turn people down if they DM us.

02:16:10.420 Hey, can I come on the show?

02:16:11.340 We send them a very thoughtful message.

02:16:12.840 Like, we don't just, like, most people just ignore DMs like that.

02:16:17.340 Every single person who DMs us, even if we're not interested in having them on the show,

02:16:21.200 we say, hey, unfortunately, something like, unfortunately, at this time, we, you know,

02:16:26.420 we're, can't have you on, it's a little more diplomatic than that, but can't have you on

02:16:30.720 the show, but we'll keep your DMs.

02:16:32.580 If anything changes, we'll be sure to reach out.

02:16:34.940 So, we turn people down, like, in the DMs, but we've never had somebody, like, booked

02:16:40.960 to be on the show, and then we, like, they come to the studio at the door, ah, don't

02:16:48.040 really, nah, you can't be on the, never has happened, ever.

02:16:52.060 Hasn't happened to a male, hasn't happened to any women.

02:16:55.660 Sure, I appreciate you clarifying.

02:16:57.020 Like I said, I'm happy to do the text.

02:16:57.960 Actually, you know what, there was one woman who, she showed up unannounced with a service 0.99

02:17:04.700 animal. 0.99

02:17:06.840 It was like a chihuahua, that shit was not a service animal. 1.00

02:17:10.500 And I was like, and he was barking, it was barking. 0.99

02:17:14.320 And normally, we would try to accommodate somebody with a service animal, but it was clearly not

02:17:19.020 a service animal.

02:17:19.780 It was not trained to, um, to do a certain task.

02:17:25.560 And he was barking, which would not be a reasonable, it would not be a reasonable accommodation.

02:17:29.720 Like, we can't, we're recording audio.

02:17:31.800 We can't have a barking dog in the studio.

02:17:34.960 So, in that instance, we did turn her away, although we did offer her, like, could some,

02:17:40.540 could, she came with a friend, I was like, can your friend watch the dog?

02:17:43.280 That's the only instance where we're just like, we can't have the barking dog in the studio.

02:17:48.940 And we turned her down.

02:17:51.940 That's the only, that's come to my, that we've ever turned anybody away, and for good reason. 1.00

02:17:58.160 But, yeah.

02:18:00.940 Again.

02:18:01.760 All right, whatever.

02:18:02.460 Yeah.

02:18:05.000 Oh.

02:18:06.960 We have a couple chats, unless Andrew, you wanted to, was there more there?

02:18:11.320 I don't know.

02:18:12.400 Yeah, I did just want to point out, like, I do have a video in front of me.

02:18:15.240 You have my tweet up, right?

02:18:17.280 That's the reference.

02:18:18.060 You're definitely talking about me, but you're, you're literally misappropriating the position,

02:18:23.320 even in the tweet.

02:18:24.760 And then you go on to say that, basically, Andrew's a beta male.

02:18:28.220 Don't listen to him.

02:18:29.160 Don't listen to these guys. 0.99

02:18:30.380 They're awful. 0.98

02:18:31.100 They don't know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

02:18:33.680 But the thing is, is like, when you're talking about viewpoints, you're talking about from

02:18:37.980 the view up, right?

02:18:39.720 So, if I was going to reference a view that you had, I would say, from your view, is XYZ

02:18:45.880 true?

02:18:46.640 Why is it true?

02:18:47.980 I understand why.

02:18:48.920 And then I would always make the reference to the Christian worldview.

02:18:50.960 I'd say, here's why it's true from the perspective here.

02:18:53.520 You would, you would then go maybe back and forth and you could say, hey, you know, the

02:18:56.900 Christian view is wrong and here's why, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

02:18:59.560 In this case, though, you didn't even reference that that, that the tweet was from the view

02:19:05.560 of the Christian view.

02:19:07.200 I didn't know that.

02:19:08.060 You didn't reference it.

02:19:09.380 Yeah, right.

02:19:09.880 But again, due diligence.

02:19:11.760 Do you know that you could have just.

02:19:12.760 Well, the due diligence.

02:19:13.580 Hey, what's this tweet about it?

02:19:14.640 We're meshing up so many things in this one argument.

02:19:17.320 So, we started with me talking about the, about the clip.

02:19:22.840 I thought we were talking about a totally different clip initially when we first started this

02:19:26.620 interaction.

02:19:27.300 So, I thought we were, that's why I thought I was thinking, well, Rachel is saying that

02:19:31.840 I'm like intentionally lying.

02:19:33.100 I'm saying I didn't know which clip we were talking about.

02:19:35.520 It's not intentional.

02:19:36.740 I thought we were talking about a younger, like that one younger co-host that I think

02:19:40.100 you used to have talking about cheating and abuse specifically in regards to divorce

02:19:44.300 and then the discrepancy there.

02:19:45.880 That was a totally different clip that I'm now realizing we weren't.

02:19:49.060 No, I'm just establishing that I'm not, I'm not intentionally lying.

02:19:52.000 There's just confusion as to what content we're talking about.

02:19:54.160 So, moving on to the tweet about duty sex, if you're talking about this and there was

02:19:58.960 more context, like obviously things get taken the wrong way in a tweet.

02:20:02.740 So, if there's like more interpretation that you have in regard to duty sex, happy to hear

02:20:07.400 whatever your take is on that.

02:20:09.460 The way that I read that tweet was that basically.

02:20:11.900 Yeah, from a Christian view, from a Christian view.

02:20:13.880 Well, it could be Christian, but there's. 1.00

02:20:15.540 Wives, hang on. 1.00

02:20:16.240 Wives and husbands have a duty to sleep with each other from a Christian view. 0.64

02:20:19.720 No, and I would agree with that.

02:20:20.800 You can find this in Paul when he's talking about depriving, right? 0.56

02:20:24.560 Depriving each other sexually.

02:20:26.060 He says that's a no-go.

02:20:27.260 Christian view.

02:20:28.240 There's counseling, which revolves around this.

02:20:30.780 Specifically, that neither party is to deprive the other party of this thing.

02:20:34.660 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

02:20:36.720 This is not something that I even think is a controversial view, right?

02:20:42.500 But it's being mischaracterized here, and the reason you're mischaracterizing it is because

02:20:46.880 you're trying to make it seem like Andrew Wilson's a monster, and what he's trying to 0.90

02:20:50.800 do is say that women have an obligation to have sex at the demand of their husband. 0.98

02:20:55.540 And it's like, well, that's not only such a mischaracterization, but we could have cleared

02:20:59.660 it up in five seconds.

02:21:00.660 You could have just asked.

02:21:01.560 And I would have been like, here's actually what's going on.

02:21:03.400 Well, you know what you're doing when you're tweeting, too, which is why you're successful

02:21:07.000 and why you have a big account and why you get so much engagement.

02:21:10.260 So, like, there is a little bit of that edge when you are going to a tweet.

02:21:14.480 So, it's not like I just fell into this tweet and intentionally misrepresented you, and it

02:21:20.220 was just, it was like a blatant mischaracterization.

02:21:22.440 No, what you're saying is that it was a bait tweet.

02:21:24.040 No, I'm saying that you're very good at what you do.

02:21:26.680 I'm saying you're very good at what you do, and you're good at ruffling feathers, and

02:21:30.600 you know that people like me...

02:21:31.840 You couldn't have fallen for the bait, though, if you had done your due diligence.

02:21:35.200 We're not doing due diligence on a tweet, sir.

02:21:38.860 Why not?

02:21:39.760 Because it's a tweet, right?

02:21:41.060 It's black and white text right there, and if you do something that...

02:21:43.380 Oh, it's black and white.

02:21:44.480 If there's...

02:21:45.060 Now there's more context.

02:21:46.160 Well, no, there's not context.

02:21:48.000 Well, now that you have, like, more characters available, but there's not, especially if there's

02:21:52.840 a shorter tweet, right?

02:21:53.720 You want it left open into interpretation.

02:21:56.840 That's the whole point.

02:21:58.420 Good job.

02:21:59.460 Right?

02:21:59.840 It worked.

02:22:00.680 Due diligence would be like, hey, what did you mean by this, right?

02:22:03.160 No, because...

02:22:03.640 I do got to move it on.

02:22:04.620 Okay.

02:22:04.700 I do got to move it on.

02:22:07.100 It was...

02:22:07.940 But here, I got to do a couple chats, and then also, here, we'll do a couple shout-outs

02:22:14.520 on Venmo and Cash App.

02:22:16.280 Carmy.

02:22:17.040 Carm?

02:22:17.420 I can't pronounce this.

02:22:18.600 I apologize.

02:22:20.040 Carm. 0.99

02:22:21.140 This jerk-off smokes darts. 0.99

02:22:23.420 W. 0.99

02:22:23.900 Ava.

02:22:24.460 Rip.

02:22:25.140 August.

02:22:25.700 I don't know.

02:22:26.420 Okay.

02:22:26.660 Oh, it's a girl thing. 1.00

02:22:28.340 Thank you for the 25 on Venmo, and then Joshua Burden.

02:22:33.360 Joshua, thank you for the 10 on...

02:22:36.600 Wait.

02:22:37.220 What the heck? 0.94

02:22:39.840 Sean? 0.93

02:22:40.540 Thank you for the 20.

02:22:41.340 Colin, thank you for the 50.

02:22:42.340 Joshua, thank you for the 10.

02:22:43.360 Guys, W's in the chat for all them, and then we do have a couple chats coming in here.

02:22:47.240 We have Graffito.

02:22:48.080 Thank you, man.

02:22:49.280 Sorry for the delay.

02:22:50.480 Graffito.

02:22:50.920 $200.

02:22:52.560 Due diligence equals trust me, bro.

02:22:55.340 Heard it through the grapevine.

02:22:57.400 Yo, Graffito tag.

02:22:58.320 Thank you for the TTS.

02:22:59.520 I do very much appreciate it.

02:23:00.860 Guys, W's in the chat for Graffito.

02:23:02.620 We have three more reads coming through here in just a moment.

02:23:09.240 Let's see.

02:23:10.080 Pull that up really quick.

02:23:11.160 You can pull those up.

02:23:12.900 Uh-oh.

02:23:13.640 Why not?

02:23:14.340 You can show it.

02:23:14.900 That's fine.

02:23:15.980 All right.

02:23:16.420 There it is.

02:23:16.920 Thank you, Ivan, for the super chat.

02:23:18.760 All right.

02:23:19.020 We have Harry Baghdadi.

02:23:21.660 Okay.

02:23:21.960 Great name.

02:23:22.840 Trad.

02:23:23.640 Men.

02:23:25.080 Have Stockholm Syndrome.

02:23:26.220 You are free.

02:23:26.820 You don't have to push her in her chair anymore. 0.82

02:23:28.860 Women's liberation equals men's liberation. 0.88

02:23:31.280 Okay.

02:23:32.120 Harry Baghdadi.

02:23:32.980 Thank you so much for the message, man.

02:23:34.520 Really appreciate it.

02:23:35.740 We have another chat here coming in in just a moment from our good friend, Jason Casello.

02:23:41.280 Guys, if you want your own chat to come in, it's 100 for read at intervals, TTS 200.

02:23:46.480 Jason says, Chair 1, stop the act.

02:23:48.180 You're not cute.

02:23:48.760 You're not that smart. 0.98

02:23:49.680 Andrew was beginning to dismantle your BS. 0.98

02:23:52.000 Chair 2, are you trying to sabotage the show?

02:23:53.840 Maybe do your research to find out the facts.

02:23:56.000 Okay.

02:23:56.380 Do you guys want to respond to this or no?

02:23:57.560 I don't think I'm trying to sabotage the show.

02:24:00.060 I think that I've been respectful the whole time.

02:24:02.280 I agree.

02:24:03.240 I don't think she's trying to sabotage.

02:24:04.920 No, she's engaged.

02:24:05.840 No, I came in with good faith.

02:24:07.180 And just to be clear, I just saw that clip, like Andrew sent it.

02:24:11.160 Yeah, so that was not pre-planned or anything.

02:24:13.580 To go to the accountability part, I feel like I've been very open about either me making a mistake

02:24:18.440 or being open to the fact that I had false information.

02:24:21.000 So I think I'm absolutely being accountable.

02:24:22.860 I said if I'm wrong, I'm happy to apologize and say that I'm wrong.

02:24:25.320 It's not an issue.

02:24:26.140 Oh, I'm not really.

02:24:27.480 The only issue, well, that's not accountability.

02:24:30.060 Accountability is saying that I'm wrong in a...

02:24:31.700 No, I'm not.

02:24:32.300 Well, here, let me explain.

02:24:34.920 Quick on it if you can.

02:24:35.960 I'll explain what I mean.

02:24:36.380 It's like, oh, yeah, I set the fire.

02:24:38.980 You're right.

02:24:39.360 I set that fire.

02:24:40.740 That's me being accountable.

02:24:41.840 It's like, ah, no, it's not being accountable.

02:24:45.020 You want punishment?

02:24:46.260 The accountability would be...

02:24:47.940 Pump the brakes.

02:24:48.340 Okay, wait a second, right?

02:24:50.880 Here's how I can rectify it.

02:24:52.800 Like, even an apology would be nice.

02:24:54.800 Like, hey, I'm sorry you smirched your fine show, Brian.

02:24:57.800 Did I not say that I would apologize if I was wrong, that I would do that text?

02:25:02.160 But you haven't actually done it.

02:25:03.820 Because I have to send the text.

02:25:05.580 We established that.

02:25:06.760 She wants to verify.

02:25:07.960 Yeah.

02:25:08.620 Trust, but verify.

02:25:09.620 I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

02:25:10.380 You can apologize to me.

02:25:12.920 I'm going to send the...

02:25:13.760 What about bow?

02:25:15.040 Would you like me to bow for that?

02:25:16.980 You know what?

02:25:18.460 We'll get a bow by the end of the episode.

02:25:21.340 Here, if you want, though, you're welcome to...

02:25:23.440 Do you want to do the text?

02:25:24.280 Yeah, I was going to get water anyways, if that's okay.

02:25:25.880 Grab my phone.

02:25:26.420 Yeah, go for it.

02:25:27.900 All right.

02:25:28.620 We have a message here.

02:25:30.260 Jason Cassell, chair two.

02:25:31.720 Uh-oh.

02:25:32.080 It's probably good that she's walking.

02:25:33.220 You're a POS.

02:25:34.280 Oh, my goodness.

02:25:35.120 Jason, calm down, my friend.

02:25:37.140 You make false accusations against the show, Andrew, without finding out the facts.

02:25:40.720 Proof that no one should ever listen to a 304. 0.99

02:25:43.160 Maybe go back to S-ing the D. 0.97

02:25:48.300 What's a 304? 0.54

02:25:49.700 That is an area code.

02:25:51.800 Isn't it?

02:25:52.280 It is an area code, Ayla.

02:25:54.280 In Virginia, I think, right?

02:25:57.720 Isn't it in Virginia?

02:25:58.580 It's also an e-girl. 0.58

02:25:59.760 I thought it was a hoe. 1.00

02:26:00.760 Yeah.

02:26:01.440 It's...

02:26:01.840 Online.

02:26:03.300 Yes.

02:26:03.960 A strumpet.

02:26:04.920 Do, like, hoes tend to come from this one, area code? 1.00

02:26:07.520 Yes.

02:26:08.000 Okay.

02:26:08.660 Yes.

02:26:09.160 This is news to me.

02:26:09.900 It's crazy.

02:26:11.380 All right.

02:26:11.840 Let's get back into the show notes.

02:26:13.060 I want to try to get more people in, so let me actually...

02:26:17.780 Hmm.

02:26:20.360 Let's see.

02:26:21.020 Uh, do we do more of Ayla's...

02:26:24.180 How much more is there?

02:26:25.640 Oh, man.

02:26:25.920 There's a lot.

02:26:26.500 Ayla, you got so much notes here.

02:26:27.920 I got, um...

02:26:29.900 Actually, you know what?

02:26:30.860 I think we got through most of it.

02:26:32.820 Um, maybe towards the end of the show, I'll get into some of the others, though.

02:26:36.160 Lily.

02:26:37.520 Lily.

02:26:38.180 What?

02:26:38.620 Sorry.

02:26:39.420 Uh, let's pull up her Wikipedia article. 0.96

02:26:41.400 Whatever podcast gets a fucking honorable mention in her... 1.00

02:26:46.660 Wait, where's our fucking Wikipedia? 0.99

02:26:47.240 What you guys did? 0.99

02:26:48.600 What's that?

02:26:49.060 Yeah, we got mentioned in your Wikipedia.

02:26:50.460 Pull up her Wikipedia.

02:26:51.300 Is it Wikipedia made by like anyone?

02:26:52.640 I think so.

02:26:54.460 Lillian. 0.92

02:26:55.140 Lillian?

02:26:56.060 That's what Lillian is. 1.00

02:26:57.080 Lillian Daisy Phillips.

02:26:57.320 That's my actual full name, yeah.

02:26:59.260 Uh, she's an English adult, uh, actress.

02:27:02.980 Born in Derbyshire, da-da-da, the late 2024. 1.00

02:27:06.060 Uploaded a gangbang, had sex with 101 men, and then announced plans to have sex with 300, 0.99

02:27:11.720 and then 100 men in one day. 0.99

02:27:13.700 Um, attracted widespread attention.

02:27:16.680 Scroll down a little bit.

02:27:17.980 Scroll down.

02:27:18.560 I'm going to make this about me.

02:27:20.260 Scroll down.

02:27:21.200 Scroll down.

02:27:22.340 Lillian Daisy Phillips was born in Derbyshire, England, and identifies as a feminist. 0.99

02:27:28.360 Really?

02:27:29.700 Yikes.

02:27:30.200 Okay.

02:27:30.980 Uh, we'll get into that then.

02:27:32.540 Dropped out of university.

02:27:34.660 You could have...

02:27:35.380 Lillian. 0.92

02:27:36.260 Yes?

02:27:37.260 You could have done anything.

02:27:39.720 You could have been...

02:27:39.820 No, I couldn't.

02:27:40.600 I'm not that smart.

02:27:41.460 You could have been...

02:27:42.100 I couldn't have.

02:27:42.660 A brain surgeon.

02:27:44.060 That's the lie.

02:27:44.740 A rocket scientist.

02:27:45.700 Definitely not.

02:27:47.160 Don't have the attention span for that.

02:27:48.740 Both?

02:27:49.120 Or the interest.

02:27:49.840 Anyways, um, let's go back.

02:27:51.660 Okay.

02:27:52.440 Uh, look at this.

02:27:53.500 Hold on.

02:27:53.880 And there's...

02:27:54.580 You know, who cares about the rest of the article?

02:27:56.420 But...

02:27:56.940 Hold on.

02:27:57.300 Phillips explicitly targets men with her content and promoted herself on podcasts optimized

02:28:06.340 for the manosphere, such as the Whatever podcast.

02:28:12.880 That'd be in the chat, boys.

02:28:14.260 We made it.

02:28:15.200 We don't even have our own Wikipedia article.

02:28:16.840 We made it in the Wikipedia article of the girl who...

02:28:21.380 You got a lot of press for the 101 men thing.

02:28:24.940 Thanks.

02:28:25.260 And then some of you others have Wikipedia articles.

02:28:29.440 Ayla?

02:28:29.860 Anybody?

02:28:30.360 Ayla?

02:28:30.900 Pull up Ayla's.

02:28:31.860 I'm gonna...

02:28:32.580 We're gonna look into it.

02:28:34.380 I'm very disappointed in you, Ayla, and I'm about to tell you why.

02:28:37.720 Scroll...

02:28:38.080 Scroll to the bottom.

02:28:39.600 Scroll to the bottom.

02:28:41.380 She put... 0.99

02:28:41.780 Wait.

02:28:42.760 She plays the accordion.

02:28:44.160 Now, I sent her a message yesterday, insisting she brings an accordion to the studio.

02:28:49.100 And then she... 1.00

02:28:50.160 She rebuked me.

02:28:51.780 I did.

02:28:52.500 Harshly. 1.00

02:28:52.980 She's like, fuck you. 1.00

02:28:54.380 No, just kidding. 1.00

02:28:54.900 Yeah, literally.

02:28:55.560 She was like, I don't have an accordion with me.

02:28:58.380 And I...

02:28:58.700 You know what? 0.99

02:28:59.060 I spent an hour today trying to fucking find an accordion. 1.00

02:29:03.000 That shit's hard. 1.00

02:29:04.140 You did? 1.00

02:29:04.800 What if it is an accordion?

02:29:05.520 I spent an hour trying to find an accordion.

02:29:07.980 The ones that go...

02:29:08.580 Me, me, me.

02:29:08.900 She's like Weird Al.

02:29:10.200 Yeah.

02:29:10.740 Yes.

02:29:10.960 Are you a Weird Al fan?

02:29:11.880 Wait, really quick.

02:29:12.680 Let's go back to the article, though.

02:29:14.720 Andrew Wilson's gonna get the Wikipedia article soon, too.

02:29:17.380 Scroll up.

02:29:18.440 She grew up in the...

02:29:19.720 Okay.

02:29:19.940 I already read some of this, though.

02:29:23.480 You were making $100,000 in some months on OnlyFans.

02:29:26.800 You set yourself apart.

02:29:31.100 Dope. 0.58

02:29:32.100 You're a legend and a scholar.

02:29:34.220 And then, once Candice is back, she doesn't have an English Wikipedia article. 0.77

02:29:41.320 She has a French Wikipedia article, which I'm gonna read in French.

02:29:46.680 En français.

02:29:48.120 You can read French?

02:29:49.200 En français.

02:29:49.800 A little bit.

02:29:50.720 Don't get too excited, though, Lily.

02:29:52.440 Okay, I know it's exciting.

02:29:53.940 Tu parles français?

02:29:55.160 A little bit.

02:29:55.860 Okay, pull up...

02:29:56.580 I don't know why I'm doing this bit.

02:29:58.080 It's already played out.

02:29:58.920 Okay, pull up Candice's Wikipedia article in French.

02:30:07.440 Have you read yours?

02:30:08.560 What is it?

02:30:09.020 Wikipedia?

02:30:09.880 I was looking for Wikipedia, so Lily has one, Ayla has one, and then you had, like,

02:30:14.840 an Espanol version.

02:30:16.460 Weird.

02:30:16.900 But then there's a French version, too, so pull it up.

02:30:18.920 Okay.

02:30:20.080 What's up?

02:30:21.000 Do you speak French, or...?

02:30:22.340 No.

02:30:22.780 No.

02:30:22.920 Not at all.

02:30:23.940 There's three.

02:30:24.820 I guess.

02:30:25.300 Three Wikipedias.

02:30:28.920 Is it scuffed, really?

02:30:32.020 Yes.

02:30:32.800 You don't have three?

02:30:33.860 There should be three.

02:30:35.740 Wikipedia, it should...

02:30:36.940 It's literally the third one.

02:30:38.220 Hello?

02:30:39.700 Yeah, yeah.

02:30:40.360 I can't get the stuff from the...

02:30:41.600 Okay.

02:30:44.900 Don't scroll down, because she's wearing something.

02:30:49.660 Eva Lovia n'est le...

02:30:51.720 I can't...

02:30:51.980 I don't do numbers in French.

02:30:53.340 Let's see.

02:31:01.040 What else?

02:31:01.440 Uh...

02:31:02.780 Son premier travail...

02:31:04.440 A tourné sa première scène lesbienne pour la Société de Production de Films Pornographiques

02:31:11.760 avec Mollet Cavalli pour Reality Kings.

02:31:15.440 Le début de sa carrière d'actrice pornographique, sa...

02:31:19.040 Okay.

02:31:20.300 Anyways, that's it.

02:31:21.380 Okay, so congrats on your French.

02:31:23.340 Thanks.

02:31:23.760 One day you'll get the English.

02:31:25.080 Yeah.

02:31:25.600 We don't even have one.

02:31:27.020 Are you really popular in French?

02:31:28.600 I don't know.

02:31:29.720 I guess someone made it.

02:31:31.280 Yeah.

02:31:31.680 Speaking of French...

02:31:32.860 Tell us.

02:31:33.920 I know a song in French.

02:31:37.380 C'est Salamon.

02:31:42.980 Get rekt.

02:31:43.880 Okay, keep going.

02:31:44.940 Keep going.

02:31:45.480 Oh, my God.

02:31:45.980 Yeah.

02:31:59.720 Beautiful.

02:32:00.940 So beautiful.

02:32:02.660 That was great.

02:32:03.220 That was really good.

02:32:04.140 Thank you for that.

02:32:05.720 Really good.

02:32:06.660 Do you know any Spanish songs?

02:32:08.320 Are you, you're, any like...

02:32:11.680 I'm trilingual, so...

02:32:13.420 What languages do you speak?

02:32:14.660 English.

02:32:15.260 Yeah.

02:32:16.120 You habla espanol y koreanon.

02:32:19.820 In Korean.

02:32:20.280 Korean.

02:32:20.600 Hanggul mal. 0.62

02:32:21.380 Okay.

02:32:21.980 Why don't you do Psy, Gangnam Style.

02:32:24.780 Go ahead.

02:32:25.080 Koppá Gangnam Style. 0.83

02:32:26.540 Lighter.

02:32:28.020 Okay, that's cool.

02:32:29.020 All right.

02:32:29.800 Anyways, I'm going to move on to the rest of the notes here.

02:32:31.940 Oh, we have a chat here from OJ Simpson.

02:32:34.940 Yes, the OJ Simpson from Beyond the Green.

02:32:37.440 He's dead, right?

02:32:38.760 Yeah.

02:32:39.480 Oh, okay.

02:32:41.000 Eh, it's fine.

02:32:44.240 OJ Simpson donated $200.

02:32:47.720 Wow.

02:32:48.580 Incredible panel, Brixham.

02:32:50.600 I'm sorry, Brian and Mr. Andrew, but I've been in love with Candice.

02:32:54.800 Oh, there you go.

02:32:56.460 Candice, leave your husband and his children for me immediately. 1.00

02:33:00.060 Oh, no.

02:33:00.480 You want for nothing.

02:33:01.980 Would you, if OJ Simpson was still alive, would you abandon your children and your husband

02:33:07.540 of 10 years for OJ?

02:33:10.000 No, absolutely not.

02:33:11.540 No.

02:33:11.820 The juice?

02:33:12.200 No.

02:33:13.160 Yeah.

02:33:14.200 Wait.

02:33:14.920 Oh, sorry.

02:33:15.320 Go ahead.

02:33:15.440 But I mean, he treated him as a wife.

02:33:17.060 Yeah.

02:33:17.780 I mean, allegedly, yeah, the evidence is pretty convincing.

02:33:21.980 No, I have no interest in my head being removed from my body.

02:33:24.800 You know, you know, this.

02:33:26.880 Total racism.

02:33:28.140 Lillian. 0.92

02:33:29.900 You know how Johnny Cash went to, like, prisons?

02:33:33.280 Johnny Cash.

02:33:33.920 Johnny, the.

02:33:35.320 The singer.

02:33:35.640 Really?

02:33:36.180 Really?

02:33:36.780 Country singer.

02:33:37.540 Oh, she's not American. 1.00

02:33:38.460 Who the fuck is that guy? 1.00

02:33:39.960 Johnny. 1.00

02:33:40.400 Brits don't know Johnny Cash?

02:33:42.860 He was, like, uh, uh, what, what, country, blues?

02:33:46.720 What do you, what do you, like, categorize him?

02:33:49.620 Like, rockabilly?

02:33:51.060 I don't, um, very popular singer.

02:33:53.660 You know that song?

02:33:54.260 Um, can I, here, sing it.

02:33:56.140 Go ahead.

02:33:56.420 Sing some Johnny Cash.

02:33:57.500 Go ahead.

02:33:58.580 I don't know any.

02:34:01.120 I don't, I don't know any Johnny Cash songs.

02:34:02.980 You know that song?

02:34:03.460 Like, I fell into a burning ring of fire.

02:34:07.680 The worst song in the world, then, yeah.

02:34:09.900 I know some of the words, but I don't know Johnny Cash.

02:34:11.920 You should consider, um, doing a prison tour. 0.99

02:34:18.220 A prison fuck? 1.00

02:34:19.700 Yes. 1.00

02:34:20.460 I thought about doing a homeless one.

02:34:22.040 Wow, that's.

02:34:23.020 Yeah.

02:34:23.400 Not a prison one, though, because I don't, I don't know how I'd get into a prison and 0.99

02:34:27.820 fuck them all, unless I was admitting myself. 0.99

02:34:31.120 What do they call it? 1.00

02:34:32.000 The, the Crown Royal?

02:34:33.460 The Crown Jewels. 0.69

02:34:34.500 Crown, not.

02:34:35.760 I don't know.

02:34:36.760 Like, the prisons in, in the UK, isn't, like, the Crown.

02:34:40.640 Crown Prosecution?

02:34:42.240 Prosecution Services?

02:34:43.280 I don't know, whatever.

02:34:44.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:34:44.940 You get him the day they get out.

02:34:46.460 Do you know that song by the, uh, the Kinks?

02:34:49.500 It's, uh.

02:34:49.980 The Kinks, no.

02:34:50.720 Wait, is it the Kinks? 0.50

02:34:52.780 Uh, Living on a Thin Line?

02:34:54.880 Nah.

02:34:55.640 It's kind of sad what's going, what's happening to.

02:34:58.940 Oh, I mean, here, I'll pull up the lyrics.

02:35:00.900 I don't know by heart, but, but you should do a, uh, what is it?

02:35:04.380 Is it the Kinks? 0.93

02:35:05.200 Living on a Thin Line.

02:35:07.940 Uh, it goes, uh, all the stories have been told of Kings

02:35:11.820 of days, of Kings and days of old, but there's no England now.

02:35:15.940 All the wars that were won and lost somehow don't seem to matter very much.

02:35:21.760 Their castles have burned.

02:35:23.500 Eh, anyways, whatever.

02:35:24.400 I feel like you're talking riddles.

02:35:26.160 It's basically saying, like, England was this, uh.

02:35:29.200 Great place and now it's not.

02:35:30.340 Great, great country and now it's.

02:35:31.460 And this was back in the 80s.

02:35:32.880 They were.

02:35:33.720 Wow. 1.00

02:35:34.300 Like, damn. 1.00

02:35:35.040 They ruined it back in the 80s. 1.00

02:35:36.580 The decline, the decline.

02:35:37.380 What, you think it's got even worse since then?

02:35:39.220 Probably, yeah.

02:35:40.160 Hell no.

02:35:40.760 I don't know.

02:35:42.560 I haven't, I haven't been.

02:35:43.520 Anyways, okay, whatever.

02:35:44.220 We've been doing a lot of acts of service.

02:35:45.500 I don't know why.

02:35:45.860 So, we're probably helping the England population.

02:35:50.180 Wait, what do you mean?

02:35:51.640 What?

02:35:53.220 Like, with us doing all these gangbangs, we're helping the population.

02:35:55.600 You are doing charity.

02:35:57.620 Yeah, yeah.

02:35:58.180 Hell yeah.

02:35:58.740 Yeah, that's good.

02:35:59.360 We're bringing up the morality.

02:36:01.160 The morality?

02:36:02.280 Oh boy, Andrew's going to love that one.

02:36:04.980 Okay, here, we've got some more chats.

02:36:07.320 Chair one, don't worry.

02:36:08.380 You are part of the 304 club.

02:36:10.560 Since you're not very smart, type 304 into an older calculator and hold it.

02:36:15.400 Hold on, Jason.

02:36:16.460 Jason, you've been a little mean here.

02:36:19.160 Ayla, I think, is very smart. 0.78

02:36:24.520 Jason.

02:36:25.740 I'm not being so fast.

02:36:26.740 In Jason's defense, can I give a defense of Jason?

02:36:29.420 I know.

02:36:30.220 Okay, fine.

02:36:31.140 Okay, in defense of Jason, I have noticed that he's often right about almost everything he says.

02:36:36.420 So, I'm just pointing that out.

02:36:38.400 In defense of Jason.

02:36:39.400 In defense of Jason.

02:36:40.800 Okay.

02:36:42.680 You're very smart.

02:36:43.620 I don't know.

02:36:44.060 I saw her interview with Lex.

02:36:45.860 It was really good.

02:36:47.100 I thought it was good.

02:36:47.980 Okay, all right.

02:36:49.060 All right.

02:36:49.380 Yeah, I think I just don't, I'm not familiar with traditional debate tactics that people use when they're trying to win wars.

02:36:54.980 You know, like metaphorical wars.

02:36:57.580 It's pretty hard.

02:36:58.640 I think earlier on, Andrew thought you were trying to do some debate judo on me.

02:37:03.440 And he's like, hold on.

02:37:06.040 As, Andrew, what's the title I gave you?

02:37:09.220 I still think that.

02:37:10.820 Andrew, what's the title I gave you?

02:37:12.600 Kumquat? 0.72

02:37:14.420 Defensor?

02:37:15.020 What was it?

02:37:15.960 Yeah, that was, it was a bad title, Brian.

02:37:19.240 We don't talk about the title, Brian.

02:37:21.640 Andrew is a, he is the defensor.

02:37:24.480 Like, King Henry.

02:37:26.380 He defended the Catholic faith when he was king.

02:37:29.140 And the Pope gave him a title.

02:37:32.560 Oh, my God, I can't.

02:37:33.680 It's, uh, Fide Defensor, I think.

02:37:37.880 Defender of the faith. 0.90

02:37:39.520 Andrew is defender of the whatever podcast.

02:37:41.680 And I gave him a Latin title.

02:37:43.860 Quad cumque.

02:37:44.880 Quad cumque defensor.

02:37:47.140 That's how you say whatever in Latin.

02:37:49.180 So he is the defense, he's like my, uh, champion.

02:37:54.280 Who I sent into combat. 0.98

02:37:56.760 To fucking, uh, keto my enemies. 0.99

02:38:00.540 Or detractors. 0.99

02:38:02.720 Wait, shouldn't, I, I like, I like the thought of, like, not being defensive and then, like, getting hurt if you should be hurt.

02:38:09.620 Oh.

02:38:10.860 Oh, wait, you were making a joke.

02:38:12.520 Were you joking?

02:38:13.140 Huh?

02:38:13.800 No.

02:38:14.400 Were you?

02:38:15.720 Wait, what's going on?

02:38:16.760 I, I, you can explicitly state what's happening and then I would be more comfortable.

02:38:21.600 Um, I think I was just trying to say something, like, uh, I like social norms where you sort of admit if you're wrong pretty fast.

02:38:30.240 And then the conversation, and it's not, like, losing to be wrong.

02:38:35.580 And I think a lot of the time, like, you're trying to get one over on your opponent such that, uh, if you, like, score a point, it's, like, very embarrassing if you prove that they're wrong.

02:38:43.280 But it's, like, pretty cool to admit if you're wrong.

02:38:45.080 That means you update.

02:38:45.640 That means that we get closer to finding out what's happening.

02:38:48.200 And I think that's, like, pretty dope.

02:38:49.500 I'd rather just gaslight somebody and just make them think.

02:38:52.360 I'm kidding.

02:38:53.120 I'm kidding.

02:38:53.920 Thank you for stating that.

02:38:54.860 I'm just joking.

02:38:55.580 I don't think Andrew's kidding, though.

02:38:56.820 Look at how he's shaking.

02:38:57.660 I, listen, you know, it's just in my towards nature.

02:39:01.940 Well, I mean, that's where, you know, the nodding of the head made the joke funnier.

02:39:05.000 And then he pointed it out, and then that made it less funny.

02:39:07.940 So it's like.

02:39:08.540 Not to me.

02:39:09.460 I'm just pointing that out.

02:39:10.520 Yeah, I know, but women don't have a great sense of humor, to be honest with it. 1.00

02:39:13.160 Yeah.

02:39:13.440 Are you trying to trick me with that?

02:39:14.780 Andrew, stop with this. 0.90

02:39:16.400 Andrew, you're killing me.

02:39:16.860 Probably some sly comments there.

02:39:19.000 I have an amazing sense of humor.

02:39:20.160 I can't hear it.

02:39:20.860 It's not sly.

02:39:22.860 I was very direct.

02:39:23.500 I'm not making an implication.

02:39:24.900 I'm making a declaration of fact.

02:39:26.960 Men are objectively far more hilarious than all women who exist on planet Earth. 1.00

02:39:32.180 I think probably you're right, men, on average.

02:39:35.140 Maybe not all.

02:39:36.320 Right?

02:39:36.520 I'm not going to put it in a monolith, because otherwise, you know, our friend over here is 0.94

02:39:40.560 going to get all fucking crazy on me. 0.97

02:39:41.900 But I'm just saying that ultimately, I do think that men generally are much funnier than one. 0.94

02:39:48.440 I think you're correct.

02:39:49.520 I think, like, data generally supports this.

02:39:51.300 I also suspect they might be more intelligent on average, too.

02:39:54.520 But this is unclear about how IQ tests are constructed.

02:39:57.040 Are you talking about, like, the greater male variability hypothesis?

02:39:59.500 Even with that included.

02:40:01.020 Like, I was horrified to find that they normalize IQ tests based on gender.

02:40:05.100 Really horrified.

02:40:06.220 Doesn't it indicate that, like, if you average it, the IQ is actually the same?

02:40:10.680 The IQ is the same.

02:40:11.520 They construct it such that that is the outcome.

02:40:14.080 It's not the same.

02:40:15.940 It's unclear if it is or isn't.

02:40:17.660 No, but the greater male variability. 0.99

02:40:19.080 Like, so you have, like, more really, really stupid men, and then you have more, like, 0.99

02:40:22.800 really, really, really smart men, or is that? 0.99

02:40:24.720 That's not really what the data is saying, ultimately.

02:40:27.020 You're just saying men are.

02:40:28.140 It's not actually clear that that is the case.

02:40:31.220 It just is clear that the greatest chess champion who's a woman is going to lose to a man. 1.00

02:40:36.160 That's what's clear. 1.00

02:40:37.120 It's not actually clear whether or not there are more dumb women or men than there are dumb women 1.00

02:40:42.740 when you get to the other level. 0.99

02:40:43.960 That's less clear.

02:40:45.900 I mean, you can check IQ test scores, right?

02:40:48.980 I mean.

02:40:49.420 Anyway.

02:40:50.040 Yeah, but IQ is a variability.

02:40:52.180 I mean, it has significant variance.

02:40:55.340 Like, there's a lot of social variance between crystallized IQ, non-crystallized IQ.

02:40:59.540 Like, it's not that easy to determine, even when you're digging into the data.

02:41:03.000 It's still to this day unclear.

02:41:04.720 You'll hear racial supremacists use data a certain way.

02:41:09.380 You'll hear liberals use it a certain way.

02:41:11.320 You'll hear conservatives use it a certain way.

02:41:13.600 It's not actually clear.

02:41:16.000 Hmm.

02:41:16.380 Okay.

02:41:16.600 I do got to move things on, but we have Michael Jones here.

02:41:20.080 Michael Jones donated $200.

02:41:23.160 Seats 1 is out here trying to resume with the tism.

02:41:25.980 Oh.

02:41:26.320 In 2025 rock, paper, scissors is now gaslight, gatekeep, girl, boss. 0.96

02:41:32.540 Oh.

02:41:33.020 Hail to King Andrew and Viscount Brian.

02:41:35.260 Thank you.

02:41:36.660 Is it Viscount or Viscount?

02:41:38.860 I don't know.

02:41:39.500 Appreciate it, man.

02:41:40.840 Thank you, Michael Jones.

02:41:41.940 Really appreciate the TTS.

02:41:43.000 Guys, W's in the chat from Michael Jones.

02:41:45.220 Do you have autism?

02:41:47.460 I think I'm a bit autistic, to be honest.

02:41:49.800 I've done a survey, and people generally think that I do.

02:41:52.860 Okay.

02:41:53.240 Yeah.

02:41:53.420 Have you been diagnosed by a professional, Will?

02:41:56.340 I was.

02:41:56.540 Wait, me?

02:41:57.580 You're autistic? 1.00

02:41:58.460 Yeah.

02:41:58.660 Have you been?

02:41:59.380 Hang on, hang on.

02:42:00.260 Share one.

02:42:00.740 Have you actually been diagnosed?

02:42:02.580 No.

02:42:03.080 By a...

02:42:03.560 Okay.

02:42:03.860 I didn't think so.

02:42:05.040 All right.

02:42:05.500 Show of hands, who here is autistic? 0.97

02:42:08.700 It's not everyone on the scale, though.

02:42:10.100 By a psychiatrist.

02:42:11.060 I mean...

02:42:11.380 What's that?

02:42:12.660 By a psychiatrist, yeah.

02:42:13.860 You were diagnosed as...

02:42:15.460 Okay.

02:42:16.060 But I had a comment on that.

02:42:17.740 I think...

02:42:17.900 Yeah, do you want to sing a song, too?

02:42:19.940 Well, me, do.

02:42:20.540 Sorry, my bad.

02:42:20.960 I did a survey.

02:42:23.940 Oh, sorry, what?

02:42:27.840 I was just saying, I did a survey with my community.

02:42:30.340 They all thought I was autistic, too, so I guess I'm autistic.

02:42:32.180 Oh, yeah?

02:42:32.300 Yeah, but were you diagnosed by a psychiatrist?

02:42:35.240 It doesn't matter.

02:42:36.160 The metric is...

02:42:37.080 Well, now it doesn't matter.

02:42:37.920 ...if the community says so...

02:42:38.860 If they say...

02:42:39.640 ...if the community says so, then it must be true.

02:42:40.920 If they say...

02:42:41.660 I mean, I didn't say that.

02:42:44.080 Oh.

02:42:44.900 Yeah, I know, I know.

02:42:45.640 That was a joke.

02:42:47.180 Oh.

02:42:47.780 Oh, that totally went over my head.

02:42:50.100 I didn't find that funny at all.

02:42:52.460 I know, I know. 0.97

02:42:53.200 But again, it's because women aren't very funny. 1.00

02:42:56.720 I'm just pointing it out.

02:42:57.760 Well, I think funniness, you know, is an opinion.

02:43:01.020 Subjective.

02:43:01.500 It is subjective, yeah.

02:43:02.640 I know, I know.

02:43:03.380 I agree.

02:43:03.980 Oh, okay, so you do not.

02:43:05.000 It's just that subjectively, more men seem to be found to be funny subjectively by more

02:43:09.000 people than women.

02:43:09.860 I'm just pointing that out.

02:43:10.920 Just pointing it out.

02:43:11.940 Your joke was subjectively unfunny.

02:43:14.800 All right, I gotta move on.

02:43:15.880 So, oh, going to Lily, your notes.

02:43:19.960 My notes?

02:43:20.700 Yeah, your notes.

02:43:22.100 Oh, notes.

02:43:23.280 You did the 101 men in a day.

02:43:26.700 When's the 1,000 scheduled for?

02:43:28.640 Well, I was meant to do it here, but I actually got stopped at the border, and so I've decided

02:43:33.120 against, because they were very much like, you know, if you do that here, you will be

02:43:37.760 banned, and I would like to come back.

02:43:38.980 Wait, they said that?

02:43:40.300 Genuinely.

02:43:41.180 When you say the border, like when you flew in?

02:43:43.520 Yeah, so when I flew into Las Vegas, and they stopped me at Customs, is that what it

02:43:49.240 was, and they kind of sat me down, and they started asking me questions, you know, what

02:43:54.120 do I do, and stuff like that.

02:43:55.680 Like, what's the nature, like why are you coming into the country, business or pleasure, and

02:43:59.080 you're like both.

02:44:00.400 Yeah, and then they started bringing up my Pornhub, and they started finding articles, because

02:44:07.020 my name is my real name as well, so it's like quite easy to see on my passport.

02:44:11.720 And they're like, we know why you're here.

02:44:13.640 Yeah.

02:44:14.240 We won't allow it.

02:44:15.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:44:16.720 Yeah, basically, they said if you do that.

02:44:18.460 Did you say, what if you're one of the thousand?

02:44:21.300 You know, they were so stern-faced, I was trying to make jokes like that, and they weren't

02:44:24.080 having any of it, yeah.

02:44:25.280 Wait, so, how willing are you when it comes to deportation?

02:44:31.600 I don't want to be deported, because I actually, I would love to like, move here and live here.

02:44:36.140 Okay.

02:44:36.560 Yeah, for work, it's great.

02:44:37.720 I see.

02:44:37.960 So how did you get in?

02:44:39.080 How did I get in?

02:44:39.640 Well, they let me in, they said, as long as you don't do it, and stuff like that. 0.59

02:44:42.600 Yeah, and I think they were just more caught up on, as well, making sure I'm not a prostitute.

02:44:48.060 I don't think they care so much about making content more just like actual prostitution.

02:44:53.280 Sure.

02:44:53.880 So I guess, like, what other hoodwinks and shenanigans have you been up to, Lily?

02:44:58.720 What else?

02:44:59.420 Well, did that 50-man ain't no wearing that? 0.95

02:45:01.660 Yep.

02:45:01.900 That was recent.

02:45:03.180 Anything else? 0.99

02:45:03.700 I'm doing a skydive where I saw a cock. 0.99

02:45:06.680 I don't know. 0.98

02:45:07.140 Yeah, yeah, I think you mentioned that.

02:45:09.440 I want to do, like, the largest bukkake ever, because I do love spunk.

02:45:13.340 Oh, no.

02:45:14.460 Yeah.

02:45:16.940 The what?

02:45:17.940 The largest bukkake.

02:45:19.160 Excuse me? 0.98

02:45:21.340 So it's like, where you just like a cum bucket for a day. 0.94

02:45:25.740 Yeah, I mean, I've got lots of ideas, but I don't love to share them, because I feel like

02:45:29.840 you just never know if people like nick my idea.

02:45:32.040 She was the mouth that got away. 0.62

02:45:37.220 That's cool.

02:45:38.200 Yeah, I've got a lot of ambitious content.

02:45:40.420 I really love to, like, push the limits of creating content and create content that people

02:45:44.560 really haven't seen before.

02:45:45.880 And what does, like, dad and mom think?

02:45:47.560 Are they cool with it or not?

02:45:48.840 My dad and my parents.

02:45:50.380 Are they supportive?

02:45:51.220 It's interesting, really, because when I started OnlyFans, they were very supportive and stuff

02:45:56.700 like that.

02:45:56.960 And then when I told them I was getting into porn, it wasn't necessarily their first, like, 1.00

02:46:03.020 they weren't like, yes, go on, suck that cock. 1.00

02:46:05.780 You know, they weren't cheering me on, telling me to do porn. 1.00

02:46:08.140 It wasn't their first pick of jobs for me.

02:46:11.160 And then when I started doing kind of, like, the more extreme stuff, yeah, they're, this

02:46:17.840 is how I describe it.

02:46:18.740 They're not supportive of their job, but they're supportive of me, and they always love me and

02:46:22.840 have my back in, you know.

02:46:25.140 Okay.

02:46:25.980 Yeah.

02:46:27.020 Sure.

02:46:27.980 So I hope that makes sense.

02:46:29.220 Nice.

02:46:31.900 Did you have to get used to liking spunk?

02:46:34.220 Like, was it an acquired taste, or did you always like it?

02:46:35.820 I've always liked that.

02:46:36.860 Okay.

02:46:37.400 Yeah.

02:46:37.860 Especially when I did my first bukkake, that was when I was like, whoa.

02:46:41.180 What's spunk? 0.98

02:46:43.020 Comb.

02:46:44.060 Jazz.

02:46:47.100 Well, I mean, but there's a limit here, right?

02:46:49.880 What, there's a limit of spunk you can take? 1.00

02:46:51.800 Well, this is what I'm also trying to...

02:46:53.020 No, no, no, no, hang on, hang on, hang on.

02:46:54.360 Let me ask the question.

02:46:55.560 Go for it.

02:46:56.020 Just one second.

02:46:56.240 Okay.

02:46:56.540 There has to be a limit to the amount of crazier and crazier.

02:47:00.860 So this, I mean, this happens in every industry, right?

02:47:03.340 But especially in entertainment, you're trying to push the number for attention, right?

02:47:08.080 And this is how you can stand out.

02:47:09.840 So OnlyFans would be no different.

02:47:11.820 Any industry would be this way.

02:47:13.120 If you push the limit with the extremes, more attention is going to get focused on you.

02:47:17.160 So sure, for marketing purposes, this is great, this type of thing.

02:47:21.180 But there's only going to be so much of that, right?

02:47:23.400 Because other people, they get involved in this type of stuff, too.

02:47:26.340 They start moving the goal for what the limit is.

02:47:29.000 And there is definitely a limit.

02:47:30.640 Like there is physically only so many men you can sleep with in a day, only so many men 1.00

02:47:35.180 who can hump you up the butt or whatever the fuck it is that the next thing is that you're 1.00

02:47:39.460 wanting to do. 1.00

02:47:40.760 You're going to hit that threshold, right?

02:47:43.840 And it'll be sooner rather than later because there's only so much content you can push

02:47:46.820 out.

02:47:47.160 So what do you do post that exactly?

02:47:49.320 Well, when I mentioned that I want to do extreme stuff, it didn't always mean numbers.

02:47:54.180 Like with the skydive, that's not a numbers thing and things like that.

02:47:58.000 So there isn't really a limit now.

02:48:00.440 No, I think there is. 0.99

02:48:01.640 It's like you could do scuba dive, blowjobs, right? 0.96

02:48:04.360 But I'm sure there's definitely not a limit now. 0.99

02:48:06.860 I've got a very imaginative brain.

02:48:09.100 Well, I mean, there literally has to be.

02:48:09.860 She's creative.

02:48:11.360 I mean, there actually has to be a limit.

02:48:13.540 So it's just matter.

02:48:14.000 I mean, I'm not going to give you all my ideas, but I could list off some stuff that, you know,

02:48:17.580 you haven't seen before. 0.99

02:48:18.760 Like she doesn't want her competitors to steal a shit in true. 1.00

02:48:21.500 Like you've got to understand. 1.00

02:48:22.280 Yeah, yeah.

02:48:22.800 And you're trying to steal all my ideas.

02:48:24.500 Let's say you had 100 great ideas for content nobody's ever seen before, that kind of thing.

02:48:28.540 You will hit a limit threshold.

02:48:29.860 What, when I'm 55 and ready to retire?

02:48:33.920 Yeah, but when you make more and more extreme content, you hit the threshold sooner rather than later.

02:48:37.920 Like, let me give you some examples of this in other forms of media.

02:48:41.640 So somebody comes out, but recently Kanye West, he came out and he was like, he did the, you know,

02:48:46.520 like I love Hitler thing, right? 0.98

02:48:48.280 That drives a ton of attention to Kanye West.

02:48:51.240 There's no doubt about it.

02:48:52.260 But the problem is that he'd already done that.

02:48:54.660 So it brought less attention this time.

02:48:56.780 Where does he go from I heart Hitler? 0.97

02:49:00.580 Where does he go next?

02:49:01.940 Do you know what I mean?

02:49:02.800 What's the next extremity you can actually go to from that?

02:49:06.540 That's the same problem that you'll find in the same industry, right?

02:49:10.500 I feel like you're getting me wrong as well.

02:49:12.320 Like, I'm not necessarily doing it, you know, for attention.

02:49:15.320 I want to create this unique content for my subscribers.

02:49:18.400 I like to do really, like, relative content as well.

02:49:21.440 Well, then you would do it for free.

02:49:23.540 But you don't.

02:49:24.260 Well, I do do it for free.

02:49:25.560 I do gang bangs in my personal life and things like that. 0.97

02:49:27.640 I've always had a lot of sex. 0.68

02:49:29.320 But I just put two and two together, something I love and something I can also monetize and mix it together.

02:49:35.340 And it has honestly made the perfect job for me.

02:49:38.980 Right.

02:49:39.440 So we had a gal on here once who said the exact same thing.

02:49:44.120 Ended up becoming, at least by her metric, a reformed Christian and said that everything that she was saying earlier on the podcast was a complete lie.

02:49:52.180 Right.

02:49:52.480 And that she was actually just doing that for the purpose of marketing. 1.00

02:49:56.820 Hang on.

02:49:57.460 Hang on.

02:49:57.980 I'll let you respond.

02:49:58.820 I promise.

02:50:00.100 But the thing is, is, like, it does draw a large amount of media attention to you.

02:50:05.220 There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that.

02:50:06.700 And you can say, well, I would just do it anyway because I just really, really, really like it.

02:50:11.520 Okay.

02:50:11.820 I can just kind of grant that. 1.00

02:50:13.320 But even if it is the case that you just really, really like it and you're going to do it in your personal life anyway, you're going to go bang a thousand men because you just love that shit. 0.98

02:50:19.520 It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that there's a threshold limit put on the extremes, right? 0.92

02:50:24.920 But I just debunked that earlier that there's a ton of other ideas that I have that aren't necessarily with high numbers.

02:50:32.800 Yeah, no, I get it.

02:50:33.680 Yeah, I see the lag.

02:50:34.940 I get it.

02:50:35.860 But that would still make my point.

02:50:37.600 Like, there's still going to be a threshold.

02:50:38.840 Isn't this testable?

02:50:40.120 Like, you could break down all those things?

02:50:41.080 I'm just wondering if there's a post-threshold, if you have, like, plans post-threshold for that.

02:50:45.020 I don't think you realize, like, how huge, you know, the sex industry is and how many different routes you can take with content.

02:50:53.660 Like, there's tons of things you can always do.

02:50:56.940 I'm not disputing that the sex industry is huge and that there's tons of different types of content you can do.

02:51:02.680 I'm not disputing that.

02:51:03.640 But when you're talking about the draw, so most women and OnlyFans don't make it. 0.98

02:51:08.540 Almost the vast, vast, vast majority.

02:51:10.300 The vast majority of women in porn don't make it. 1.00

02:51:12.100 The vast, vast majority, well, it's because they don't have anything that makes them stand out, right?

02:51:18.260 You have something here that makes you stand out, but that has limits, too.

02:51:22.600 And so the question that I'm asking is, like, I can just base this on the general average.

02:51:27.320 Almost nobody makes it in your industry.

02:51:29.400 Like, almost nobody.

02:51:30.720 Almost nobody?

02:51:32.420 I don't think so.

02:51:33.280 Well, if that would be corn, OnlyFans, things like that, almost no woman makes it in those industries. 1.00

02:51:36.960 Makes it?

02:51:37.600 Oh, as in, like, makes it big?

02:51:39.240 Sorry.

02:51:39.900 I thought you meant, like...

02:51:40.480 Well, it makes it big or even makes enough money to support themselves.

02:51:43.380 Most of them don't even make enough money to support themselves.

02:51:45.900 The average OnlyFans, a couple hundred bucks...

02:51:47.580 Yeah, no, I don't doubt that.

02:51:48.980 Yeah, they're hardly making anything.

02:51:50.440 So it is definitely the multimedia attention, this type of thing, which assists in the elevation

02:51:55.100 of the amount of people who watch somebody's content.

02:51:57.480 So you do have to think about what the threshold breakers are.

02:52:00.140 Like, what happens when I reach whatever this zenith is?

02:52:03.720 That could come very quickly.

02:52:05.440 And so I'm just wondering if there's close plans to it.

02:52:07.260 I don't understand what question you're asking.

02:52:09.260 Like, have I got enough content to last me my lifetime?

02:52:11.820 And, like, have I got enough ideas?

02:52:13.420 Like, I'm confused. 0.97

02:52:15.980 I'm saying that, assuming that there's less media attention for your skydive blowjob than 0.96

02:52:21.340 there was for a thousand-man gangbang...

02:52:23.200 But for me, it's not always about media attention.

02:52:24.940 It's possible that there could be a massive decrease.

02:52:27.060 In fact, it's likely, as you get older and as you do more extreme content, there's going

02:52:31.820 to be a massive decrease.

02:52:33.080 So I'm just asking if there's post plans past what happens when that happens.

02:52:37.660 That's all I'm asking.

02:52:38.560 Yeah, I definitely have post plans.

02:52:40.800 I mean, I want to be in this industry for as long as I enjoy it.

02:52:43.780 And for me, right now, that's looking at 10, 20 years, honestly.

02:52:46.900 But for me, it's also just not all about the media attention.

02:52:51.320 Like, I just genuinely do it for the love of it. 0.98

02:52:55.840 So you would do a skydive blowjob for free? 0.99

02:52:58.260 Yeah. 0.99

02:52:58.860 I think that would be hilarious.

02:53:00.180 Like, I can't wait to do it.

02:53:01.100 I'm super gassed to do it.

02:53:03.080 Then all the money that you made from that, are you going to give it to charity?

02:53:07.500 What has that got to do with it?

02:53:10.600 What has me being charitable got to do with this?

02:53:12.020 Are you going to give it to charity?

02:53:13.220 Are you going to keep it?

02:53:14.300 I couldn't care less if I gave money to charity.

02:53:16.780 Like, the money for me...

02:53:17.720 Can you give me some?

02:53:20.780 The money for me is a plus.

02:53:22.380 Don't get me wrong.

02:53:22.920 I'm not trying to hear saying, you know,

02:53:24.240 but everyone does stuff for money. 0.96

02:53:25.580 Like, that's why we fucking have jobs. 0.67

02:53:27.500 I'm not disputing that either. 0.85

02:53:29.060 I'm just saying that if you say that the motivation is there

02:53:32.600 and it has nothing to do with the money,

02:53:34.640 I would do it 80 years.

02:53:35.440 No, I'm not saying it's nothing.

02:53:36.160 Final thought, final thought.

02:53:37.540 There's just, like, it's different aspects.

02:53:39.320 I love it.

02:53:40.120 It also pays me.

02:53:42.060 Like, those are just two great recipes together.

02:53:44.840 Why would I not want to do it?

02:53:46.840 Yeah, right.

02:53:47.320 Exactly.

02:53:47.920 So then if there's monetary gain here, right,

02:53:50.720 and I assume that there is, and there is,

02:53:52.740 this is directly proportional to the amount of publicity

02:53:55.700 that you get for the various things that you do.

02:53:58.440 However, women often, especially in your industry, 1.00

02:54:01.580 hit walls with that very quickly,

02:54:03.000 just like B-list actors will have a breakout movie

02:54:05.180 and then it just goes right down.

02:54:06.780 It's very hard to keep yourself on top

02:54:08.740 for an elongated period of time.

02:54:10.480 That's why I'm asking the question.

02:54:12.040 Well, I'll keep you updated in 10 years.

02:54:14.200 All right, we have to leave it there.

02:54:15.560 Moving on.

02:54:16.620 So you said you did the bow

02:54:19.060 and then your boyfriend reacted.

02:54:21.600 Oh, yeah.

02:54:23.240 That's because I saw an episode on your podcast.

02:54:26.860 Oops, sorry.

02:54:28.440 It was because I saw an episode on your podcast

02:54:30.980 where a wife did that for her husband. 1.00

02:54:34.400 My boyfriend did not really react.

02:54:37.920 He, I just greeted him at the door

02:54:39.840 when he came home from work and did the bow.

02:54:42.380 And I was like, you know, I have dinner ready.

02:54:44.620 And we just continued our conversation normally.

02:54:48.360 He didn't really react.

02:54:50.100 He didn't like it.

02:54:51.900 It's not that he didn't like it.

02:54:53.240 Also, since we have Andrew here,

02:54:55.500 Korean women do not bow to their husbands. 0.96

02:54:58.120 We're not going to have them.

02:54:59.880 Let's not, that's just bogged.

02:55:01.580 Yes, they do.

02:55:01.840 No, they don't.

02:55:02.180 Let's not get into it.

02:55:03.260 Yeah, they do.

02:55:03.960 I literally lived in Korea

02:55:05.220 and my mom is Korean and my grandma is Korean.

02:55:07.940 They do not bow.

02:55:08.440 Yeah, well, I mean, whether you live there or not,

02:55:10.800 they definitely do bow in Korea.

02:55:13.540 They bow in Korea.

02:55:14.760 That is very true, but not to their husbands.

02:55:17.200 Well, they don't now because of the 4B movement, 1.00

02:55:21.220 but that used to be very commonplace.

02:55:23.060 No, they greet them at the door.

02:55:25.240 They greet them at the door with a kiss on the cheek.

02:55:27.600 Ask your mom if it used to be very commonplace

02:55:29.440 for a wife to bow to her husband.

02:55:31.500 I already asked her.

02:55:32.640 Back 30 or 40, even 40 years ago was common.

02:55:35.700 Yeah, I asked.

02:55:36.480 It's not a thing.

02:55:38.420 Yeah, it is a thing.

02:55:39.180 They bow to their bosses, maybe to their acquaintances

02:55:41.980 that they don't know very well to show respect,

02:55:43.860 but your husband is someone that you're comfortable with.

02:55:47.780 Or to their boss or to other people

02:55:48.360 or for ritualistic purposes

02:55:49.960 or sometimes to the husband,

02:55:51.860 especially considering how many Christians are in South Korea. 0.96

02:55:55.900 That's why they have a full porn band in South Korea, right?

02:55:59.040 It is actually commonplace even among that community

02:56:01.160 to bow to each other, just so you know.

02:56:03.040 They do bow to each other, but not to their husbands.

02:56:06.060 To their husband, yes, to their husband.

02:56:08.320 Maybe at a formal event like a wedding,

02:56:10.580 but not every day at the door.

02:56:14.420 Well, this is, I mean, obviously I can't say

02:56:16.800 every woman in South Korea bows to their husband, 0.94

02:56:19.260 but I would never make that claim anyway.

02:56:20.680 I'm just saying that it is commonplace,

02:56:22.220 or at least it used to be commonplace enough.

02:56:24.360 Still commonplace in Japan,

02:56:25.680 still commonplace in a lot of Asian nations,

02:56:28.260 including South Korea and North Korea even.

02:56:30.220 No, in Korea they do bow, but not to their spouse.

02:56:34.360 Okay.

02:56:35.240 Yeah, thank you.

02:56:37.820 I mean, I don't know how I could falsify it.

02:56:41.840 I mean, I can give you demonstrations

02:56:43.520 that this is the case.

02:56:45.340 I mean, you can, in fact,

02:56:46.760 you can literally Google it right this second

02:56:48.640 if you wanted to,

02:56:50.200 and it would come up and tell you that, yes,

02:56:52.560 that bowing is a form of respect

02:56:54.180 between husband and wife, even in South Korea,

02:56:56.940 and still is even to this day

02:56:58.540 with more traditional families.

02:57:00.100 Where are you getting your answer from?

02:57:02.400 I mean, again, you can look at

02:57:04.800 the various cultural studies which have been done,

02:57:07.200 including in South Korean culture

02:57:08.920 by its own cultural ambition.

02:57:10.180 No, yeah, in Korea they do bow to each other.

02:57:11.880 They do bow to each other.

02:57:12.880 What's that?

02:57:13.020 Koreans do bow to each other, 1.00

02:57:14.320 but not to their family,

02:57:16.440 which is their husband's.

02:57:17.080 Yeah, sometimes to their family.

02:57:19.080 Like, why wouldn't they?

02:57:19.820 So, let me ask you this.

02:57:21.240 Why wouldn't they bow to their family?

02:57:23.180 What is the cultural tactic for bowing the family?

02:57:23.940 I do not bow to my older brother.

02:57:26.100 I do not bow to my parents.

02:57:27.620 I might bow to my grandparents.

02:57:28.800 I'm not asking if you bow to your parents

02:57:30.660 or you bow to your older brother,

02:57:32.000 though there could be circumstances

02:57:33.120 where that was the case in South Korea, too,

02:57:35.560 especially for your parents.

02:57:36.660 I'm saying that, yes,

02:57:38.060 there are traditional Koreans

02:57:39.260 whose wife bows to the husband.

02:57:41.180 That is factually the case.

02:57:42.940 I don't know what else to tell you.

02:57:44.620 No, that is not factually the case.

02:57:47.120 That's not factually the case.

02:57:49.380 Okay, so why is it that they don't bow to their husband?

02:57:52.340 Because my grandma was born in 1951 in South Korea,

02:57:57.620 and I lived with her through my entire childhood.

02:58:01.180 Yeah, and my brother married to South Korea

02:58:03.160 and brought her home when he was stationed in South Korea,

02:58:06.260 and yeah, there was definitely bowing which was going on,

02:58:09.420 so I mean, my anecdote, I guess, trumps your anecdote, right?

02:58:15.000 No, there is bowing to the other family,

02:58:17.100 but not to the husband,

02:58:18.860 and if it is to the husband,

02:58:20.180 it's because she hasn't seen him in a long time.

02:58:24.920 So they do bow to their husband

02:58:26.200 if they haven't seen him in a long time?

02:58:27.940 If they haven't seen them in a long time,

02:58:29.420 but not on the daily.

02:58:30.560 Oh, I see, so they do bow to their husbands.

02:58:32.420 Got you, thank you.

02:58:33.140 Not on the daily like you proclaim.

02:58:34.860 Yeah, I didn't say that they did it on the daily.

02:58:36.800 You just made that up.

02:58:38.180 Well, you said on special events

02:58:39.420 and in weddings they do bow.

02:58:40.620 I said it's common that in Asian cultures,

02:58:43.200 including South Korea,

02:58:44.560 that wives will bow to husbands. 0.97

02:58:45.860 That is common.

02:58:47.160 You just asserted that it was not common.

02:58:49.060 No, it's not common.

02:58:49.200 It's not common because they see their husband every day.

02:58:50.580 It is common.

02:58:51.400 No, it's not common.

02:58:52.040 I don't know what to tell you.

02:58:52.620 It's not common, but okay,

02:58:54.180 you tell yourself that.

02:58:55.980 Okay, do wives bow to husbands 1.00

02:58:58.300 who they haven't seen in a while?

02:59:02.440 Usually with a kiss.

02:59:03.220 Now you're not sure?

02:59:04.560 But they can.

02:59:07.340 Okay, got it.

02:59:08.200 They can.

02:59:08.520 Because there's probably lots and lots and lots of couples

02:59:11.200 who haven't seen each other in a long time.

02:59:12.920 No, that's not the case

02:59:13.900 because they usually live close to their work.

02:59:16.680 Especially how many people can use.

02:59:17.460 No, usually people live closer to their work

02:59:19.720 and then they go to their house

02:59:21.580 and they go to their wife at the end

02:59:24.320 and then if they're able to greet them

02:59:27.300 after they come home from work.

02:59:28.700 That's common.

02:59:30.300 Yeah, okay.

02:59:30.800 After they come home from work,

02:59:32.220 then the husband.

02:59:34.400 What does common mean?

02:59:35.280 Does that just mean everybody has to do it?

02:59:37.260 Is that common?

02:59:38.180 No, it means the majority of people

02:59:39.480 and the majority of Korean wives 0.97

02:59:40.780 do not bow to their husbands

02:59:42.260 when they come home from work every day.

02:59:43.920 I mean, you guys are just going back and forth.

02:59:45.500 So real quick.

02:59:46.320 Who cares?

02:59:46.800 I just want to ask you a question, right?

02:59:50.520 Do the majority of people buy expensive dresses? 0.99

02:59:56.060 No.

02:59:57.040 No, okay.

02:59:58.000 But isn't it common that people buy expensive dresses? 0.83

03:00:02.060 No.

03:00:03.000 No?

03:00:03.540 It's not common?

03:00:04.600 It's not common.

03:00:05.560 It's not common that people buy...

03:00:07.240 So much on the regular

03:00:08.320 that you never dispute it happening

03:00:10.740 because it's commonplace, right?

03:00:12.800 Um, a lot of people will not pay

03:00:15.680 more than $50 for a dress.

03:00:17.760 Totally agree.

03:00:19.160 But it's still common

03:00:20.140 that people will buy expensive dresses.

03:00:22.500 Common is the majority of the dress purchasers.

03:00:22.940 Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, stop.

03:00:24.260 Both of you just stop.

03:00:25.520 Both of you stop.

03:00:26.440 We have so much to get through.

03:00:28.640 I'm sorry.

03:00:29.440 I don't care about the bow.

03:00:32.360 Oh, he doesn't care about the bow.

03:00:33.920 No, because you put it in your notes

03:00:35.540 and honestly, I excluded it.

03:00:37.800 Like, everybody submits different things.

03:00:39.720 I don't find it particularly

03:00:40.920 an interesting conversation to have.

03:00:42.580 If you guys are debating

03:00:43.340 about the bowing meta in South Korea,

03:00:48.220 I don't...

03:00:48.920 I do not care, honestly.

03:00:51.240 If I'd wanted to discuss it,

03:00:52.840 I would have included it in the notes.

03:00:54.800 I don't...

03:00:55.460 You think one thing.

03:00:56.400 Andrew thinks another thing.

03:00:58.580 Like, you guys are just going in circles.

03:01:01.220 What else?

03:01:02.220 You're not going to change your mind.

03:01:03.580 He's not going to change his mind.

03:01:04.780 Like, what else do you guys want to talk about?

03:01:08.500 No, I'll change my mind.

03:01:09.640 If it was demonstrated to me

03:01:10.800 that South Koreans do not actually,

03:01:13.840 in fact, ever bow to their husbands,

03:01:15.240 I would retract my statement.

03:01:16.660 But in fact, she asserted that

03:01:18.940 it is, in fact, true that they do.

03:01:21.020 It's just circumstantial in the way that they do.

03:01:23.560 Circumstantial, yes.

03:01:24.940 What percent of women do you think bow? 1.00

03:01:26.520 It's never been my claim

03:01:27.940 that South Korean women, 0.97

03:01:29.820 the second their husband hits the door,

03:01:31.520 they get on their knees and bow to them.

03:01:32.920 I don't know where he ever came up with that.

03:01:35.880 That's what you said in a prior podcast.

03:01:38.500 No, it's not what I said in a prior podcast.

03:01:41.280 It says very common in Asian nations

03:01:42.920 for women to bow, including to their husband, 0.89

03:01:45.160 which is true, including South Korea,

03:01:47.080 which is also true,

03:01:48.220 which you just demonstrated.

03:01:49.440 Not every day.

03:01:50.920 I didn't say every day.

03:01:51.920 If you could show me them saying that,

03:01:53.540 me ever saying the word every day,

03:01:55.700 then you would have a case,

03:01:57.420 but it's never happened.

03:01:59.300 They don't greet their husband 1.00

03:02:00.160 I'm always careful with my language

03:02:01.420 for a reason.

03:02:02.180 With a bow every day.

03:02:03.220 They don't.

03:02:05.140 Okay, yeah, but nobody ever claimed they did.

03:02:08.380 But they don't greet their husband

03:02:09.760 I don't know what you're arguing against.

03:02:11.860 It's not a claim I made, that's for sure.

03:02:17.180 Okay.

03:02:18.240 Okay.

03:02:21.920 All right.

03:02:24.000 So you brought up the bow thing.

03:02:25.860 Your boyfriend had no reaction to it.

03:02:27.820 Okay.

03:02:28.720 You said best advice about relationships

03:02:30.700 you want to elaborate on the show.

03:02:31.880 Please be concise if you can.

03:02:34.300 Yeah, my best relationship for advice

03:02:36.380 is the law of attraction.

03:02:38.640 If you create the best version of yourself,

03:02:41.540 if you educate yourself,

03:02:43.160 strengthen yourself every single day,

03:02:45.220 then you will attract a very good person

03:02:48.000 for you in your life.

03:02:49.040 So it's not chasing.

03:02:50.700 You have to better yourself

03:02:52.200 before you can be anyone's partner.

03:02:56.800 So law of attraction?

03:02:58.360 Mm-hmm.

03:02:58.880 That's the relationship advice?

03:03:01.900 Yep.

03:03:02.400 What does that mean?

03:03:03.060 What does that look like?

03:03:03.800 Law of attraction?

03:03:04.800 So going to the gym.

03:03:06.360 You see things in yourself

03:03:07.380 that you want to fix.

03:03:09.060 You shouldn't go out

03:03:10.240 trying to get a date.

03:03:13.200 Instead, you should be

03:03:14.420 improving the flaws

03:03:15.500 that you want to fix.

03:03:16.440 So like going to the gym

03:03:18.700 or going to your classes every day,

03:03:21.560 making that bank at your job

03:03:24.220 or whatever it is.

03:03:27.200 So you're saying you shouldn't actively

03:03:28.860 be trying to chase somebody?

03:03:31.160 Yeah.

03:03:31.980 You should just sit back

03:03:33.360 and wait for them to come?

03:03:34.500 Yep.

03:03:34.780 Because, I mean,

03:03:36.080 this is kind of a very convenient position

03:03:37.700 for women to take,

03:03:38.560 although men cannot.

03:03:39.260 I have to categorically

03:03:41.840 just reject your position

03:03:43.180 as it pertains to men's mating strategy.

03:03:46.580 Men cannot just sit around

03:03:48.040 and wait for a woman 1.00

03:03:49.120 to magically manifest

03:03:51.000 out of the ether.

03:03:52.180 Men have to actually 0.99

03:03:52.900 take initiative

03:03:53.820 when it comes to dating.

03:03:55.620 So I just reject your position.

03:03:57.400 They're not sitting around.

03:03:57.460 They are improving themselves.

03:03:59.360 Doesn't matter.

03:04:00.000 Men still have to take initiative.

03:04:01.260 Men have to make the first move. 1.00

03:04:02.580 Even if they're like,

03:04:03.500 they do.

03:04:04.560 I agree with you that men should...

03:04:05.680 They can make the first move,

03:04:06.520 but I'm saying you have to make that

03:04:07.740 your whole life like looking for a partner.

03:04:10.600 Don't make that your whole life.

03:04:12.240 Make your life you.

03:04:13.540 Make it about improving yourself.

03:04:16.880 Yeah, I agree with you

03:04:18.120 that men should improve themselves,

03:04:19.300 but this idea that

03:04:20.080 just kind of like

03:04:21.580 go about your life as a man,

03:04:23.780 live your life as best as you can,

03:04:25.100 and women will magically manifest. 1.00

03:04:26.900 This is just...

03:04:27.540 This is a position women can take. 1.00

03:04:29.540 You just have to exist,

03:04:31.680 and by virtue of existing,

03:04:32.920 you will have men in your DMs.

03:04:35.180 You will have men who come and approach you.

03:04:36.520 Women almost... 1.00

03:04:38.020 Women never make... 1.00

03:04:40.860 Almost never make the first move.

03:04:42.680 Women don't approach. 1.00

03:04:44.120 Women don't typically slide into DMs. 1.00

03:04:46.620 So I just...

03:04:47.160 I don't understand how your advice...

03:04:48.940 Perhaps this is...

03:04:50.280 To some degree,

03:04:50.980 good advice for women. 0.72

03:04:52.020 I'm not even sure if that's the case,

03:04:53.280 but I cannot advise this to men.

03:04:55.680 Well, I think it is good advice for women.

03:04:58.680 I can understand where you're coming from

03:05:01.300 and the position that it's harder for men

03:05:03.940 to find a partner

03:05:05.040 if they're the only ones

03:05:07.580 really making the first move.

03:05:10.580 I'm just saying that

03:05:12.360 if you're really desperate for a partner

03:05:15.140 and you make that your entire life,

03:05:18.120 it will be harder for you

03:05:20.180 to spend time improving yourself.

03:05:22.360 So you have to focus on improving yourself

03:05:25.640 rather than pursuing women.

03:05:31.700 So what should men do then?

03:05:34.560 Improve themselves.

03:05:36.620 Okay, but I mean,

03:05:37.300 I don't think like even...

03:05:39.140 Like, so you're just saying,

03:05:41.100 oh, all these men,

03:05:42.020 they're only focusing on women.

03:05:43.640 Like, they're just like spending all day

03:05:45.680 like cold approaching women

03:05:46.780 in the street.

03:05:48.600 And they're like neglecting...

03:05:50.180 Dating apps are a large time consumption,

03:05:52.060 I would say,

03:05:53.000 in people's schedules.

03:05:54.200 Like, the one day I decided

03:05:55.940 to download dating app,

03:05:57.000 I was on there,

03:05:57.640 I think I looked at my screen time

03:05:58.880 for three hours.

03:05:59.820 That's as much time

03:06:00.480 as I spent on like Instagram.

03:06:02.160 And I didn't even realize it

03:06:03.300 because it's so fast paced.

03:06:05.160 Into the mic, please.

03:06:06.220 Go ahead.

03:06:06.480 It's so fast paced.

03:06:08.340 Mm-hmm.

03:06:09.200 So.

03:06:09.860 Sure.

03:06:10.560 It just is very time consuming.

03:06:12.680 I just don't think it's good

03:06:13.460 prescriptive advice

03:06:14.400 to tell men

03:06:15.400 to just manifest a woman 0.93

03:06:16.640 like, oh, she'll just come.

03:06:18.780 Well.

03:06:21.900 Depends on what we're talking about.

03:06:23.520 But, um,

03:06:25.440 yeah, a guy can't just like sit around

03:06:27.300 even if he like levels up,

03:06:29.620 gets his money up,

03:06:30.800 gets in the gym.

03:06:32.180 I'm not saying sit around.

03:06:33.500 You can make the first move,

03:06:35.000 but just don't, you know, pursue it.

03:06:36.780 Like, don't...

03:06:37.660 Don't pursue it.

03:06:38.380 Don't pursue it to the point where...

03:06:40.220 I mean, for the third time,

03:06:41.120 can you speak into your mic, please?

03:06:42.560 Don't pursue it to the point

03:06:43.900 where you feel like

03:06:45.460 it's taking up

03:06:47.140 three hours of your day.

03:06:48.700 You could be spending that

03:06:49.940 at the gym,

03:06:50.540 at school,

03:06:51.100 at work.

03:06:52.620 Sure.

03:06:53.180 I mean, I actually don't disagree.

03:06:53.860 You're a pretty girl at the gym

03:06:55.340 and you go up to her

03:06:56.580 and say, hey, what's up?

03:06:57.780 Don't let that take over

03:06:58.860 the time that you're going

03:06:59.660 to be working out.

03:07:01.620 Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree.

03:07:02.680 I don't think all your time

03:07:03.480 should be dedicated

03:07:04.060 towards chasing women.

03:07:05.060 Exactly.

03:07:05.580 But like, if we're talking

03:07:06.200 about the law of attraction,

03:07:07.500 like, my understanding,

03:07:08.260 like, the secret,

03:07:09.300 this seems to be some sort

03:07:10.520 of prescriptive advice

03:07:12.620 that things will come to you

03:07:14.160 if you, like,

03:07:14.760 have a vision board 0.99

03:07:15.540 or some bullshit. 0.99

03:07:16.600 Like, oh, okay, 1.00

03:07:17.280 I'm just going to, like,

03:07:19.420 manifest these things

03:07:20.540 into the universe.

03:07:21.500 They'll come to me.

03:07:22.180 In fact, they'll even say,

03:07:23.700 I saw the secret.

03:07:25.060 They're like, oh,

03:07:25.940 you just,

03:07:26.700 if you get bills in the mail

03:07:28.140 and you just start thinking,

03:07:29.620 like, how abundant

03:07:30.980 your life is,

03:07:32.000 the bills will stop coming

03:07:33.660 or you manifest a parking spot

03:07:35.960 simply by thinking about,

03:07:37.460 I'm going to find

03:07:38.000 a parking spot.

03:07:38.760 It's like, what?

03:07:40.400 No.

03:07:41.860 Like, as a guy,

03:07:43.060 you have to actually take,

03:07:44.380 like, actual steps

03:07:46.440 when it comes to dating

03:07:47.280 to, like, get a woman.

03:07:48.360 You can't just, like,

03:07:48.980 sit there.

03:07:49.860 I'm in the club.

03:07:50.740 I'll just sit here

03:07:51.300 and let all the women 1.00

03:07:52.060 come up to me 1.00

03:07:53.360 and offer me sex. 0.99

03:07:54.660 Never happens. 0.96

03:07:56.760 Except for Andrew.

03:07:57.880 Happens to him all the time.

03:07:59.760 Right, Andrew?

03:08:01.700 When he was,

03:08:02.500 when he used to go to the club.

03:08:04.540 When he was a Chad.

03:08:05.600 Still is a Chad.

03:08:06.360 Sorry, still Chad.

03:08:07.440 Still Chad.

03:08:08.040 Okay, I don't know.

03:08:08.580 Whatever.

03:08:09.140 Anyways,

03:08:09.600 you said comment

03:08:11.100 on natural body supremacy.

03:08:12.620 You like to elaborate.

03:08:14.020 You watched a video.

03:08:16.580 Everyone will reverse 0.92

03:08:17.520 what they did.

03:08:18.000 Do you want to clarify?

03:08:18.880 Yeah, so I saw this TikTok

03:08:21.020 about how there's going

03:08:24.540 to be a new beauty trend

03:08:25.660 and it's going to be

03:08:26.360 about reversing

03:08:27.160 all of the plastic surgery

03:08:28.260 that people have done.

03:08:29.680 So, like,

03:08:30.380 dissolving their Botox,

03:08:33.040 getting the fat removed

03:08:34.460 out of their BBL, etc.

03:08:36.180 and that's just because

03:08:38.440 beauty standards

03:08:39.080 are forever unreachable

03:08:40.420 and now that people

03:08:43.240 have kind of permanently

03:08:44.680 altered their body,

03:08:46.160 they're going to,

03:08:47.060 or semi-permanently,

03:08:48.800 they're going to make them

03:08:49.880 reverse it.

03:08:50.740 So now,

03:08:51.700 the natural body

03:08:53.080 is going to be trending.

03:08:54.580 The natural body

03:08:55.780 is going to be trending

03:08:56.740 and, yeah.

03:08:58.620 What do you mean

03:09:01.420 trending?

03:09:03.060 As in beauty standards.

03:09:04.700 They're constantly changing.

03:09:07.240 Okay.

03:09:08.240 Yep.

03:09:08.840 Sure, yeah. 0.98

03:09:10.440 Any fake titties 0.97

03:09:11.580 at the panel? 0.99

03:09:14.020 Yourself included?

03:09:15.420 No, no.

03:09:16.340 I got those naturally.

03:09:17.820 Gotta lose a bit of weight,

03:09:18.880 you know?

03:09:19.360 Okay.

03:09:20.740 Yeah.

03:09:22.380 So you're just commenting

03:09:24.240 on how natural bodies

03:09:25.940 are, like,

03:09:27.040 coming more back

03:09:27.840 into favor?

03:09:28.620 Yes, because you said

03:09:30.020 that you're a natural

03:09:31.500 body supremacist, right?

03:09:32.920 Yeah, I am.

03:09:33.760 So I thought

03:09:34.580 that was somewhat relevant.

03:09:36.440 Okay.

03:09:37.060 Sure, yeah.

03:09:38.520 You disagreeing

03:09:39.880 with something

03:09:40.260 you said last time,

03:09:41.200 apparently contradictory

03:09:42.080 that you're an egalitarian

03:09:43.180 for other women

03:09:43.820 but a complementarian

03:09:44.780 in your own personal life?

03:09:47.060 Yeah.

03:09:47.560 I addressed that before.

03:09:49.420 Oh, okay.

03:09:50.260 And then you wanted

03:09:51.060 to react to, like,

03:09:51.680 a bear video,

03:09:52.500 or not the bear video,

03:09:53.400 but you sent me a clip.

03:09:55.500 Do you want to react to that?

03:09:56.980 You wanted to, like,

03:09:57.780 how did the panel

03:09:58.240 react to that?

03:09:59.580 Yeah, because you always

03:10:00.560 ask the question,

03:10:01.340 if you were stuck

03:10:01.800 in a forest,

03:10:02.340 would you rather it be

03:10:04.440 a bear or a man?

03:10:06.240 And so that came up

03:10:08.200 on my For You

03:10:08.800 where a woman 0.97

03:10:09.300 was actually battered

03:10:11.660 for not acknowledging

03:10:13.100 a man across the street

03:10:14.400 who was catcalling her.

03:10:15.720 So that's why

03:10:16.620 in the caption she said,

03:10:17.800 this is why a woman 1.00

03:10:19.040 chews the bear.

03:10:20.240 Okay, sure.

03:10:20.740 That's totally fine.

03:10:22.060 We'll go into that

03:10:22.820 really quick.

03:10:23.260 We'll pull up

03:10:23.560 the video in a moment.

03:10:24.220 But first,

03:10:24.900 let's go around the table.

03:10:26.920 So,

03:10:28.380 you're in the woods.

03:10:29.900 Would you rather

03:10:30.280 come across a random man

03:10:31.720 or a random bear

03:10:32.620 starting with you?

03:10:36.680 I think I have to think

03:10:39.080 for a second, yeah.

03:10:40.440 I'm not saying

03:10:41.140 her position was mine.

03:10:42.320 I'm just,

03:10:43.220 I don't know now.

03:10:44.920 Yeah.

03:10:45.560 How did you not know

03:10:46.460 I was going to ask this question?

03:10:47.680 Okay.

03:10:48.020 I thought you were

03:10:48.460 going to start there.

03:10:49.120 Well, sometimes

03:10:50.880 we go this way.

03:10:52.660 This is like knee jerk,

03:10:54.100 gut reaction,

03:10:55.440 man or a bear?

03:10:57.300 Probably a bear.

03:10:58.800 Okay.

03:10:59.580 What about you?

03:11:00.260 A man.

03:11:01.140 Okay.

03:11:01.900 A man.

03:11:02.960 Okay.

03:11:03.940 Probably bear.

03:11:05.320 Bear, alright.

03:11:06.100 A man.

03:11:06.620 Man?

03:11:07.180 I'd rather have a man. 0.99

03:11:09.240 Not for sex. 0.98

03:11:12.600 For,

03:11:13.600 you can't have,

03:11:14.560 no bear gang bangs,

03:11:15.960 okay?

03:11:17.480 They're hung by.

03:11:18.240 They're hung by the way.

03:11:19.380 Just be careful.

03:11:20.160 What?

03:11:20.640 I'm not going to be salting.

03:11:21.620 Oh, okay.

03:11:22.160 Is that more,

03:11:23.440 somebody else's,

03:11:24.360 okay, never mind.

03:11:25.500 Bear or man?

03:11:26.260 Which do you pick?

03:11:28.260 Man.

03:11:29.040 Oh, did you?

03:11:29.660 Yeah.

03:11:30.440 Which did you pick?

03:11:31.940 I picked,

03:11:32.580 I'd rather have the guy.

03:11:33.740 The man, okay.

03:11:34.620 Hell yeah.

03:11:35.600 Candace, man.

03:11:36.920 Ayla, what do you pick?

03:11:37.980 Man, definitely.

03:11:38.560 Man, okay.

03:11:39.140 So we got only two bears here.

03:11:40.620 So bear,

03:11:42.500 and then you picked the bear.

03:11:44.100 Just really quick,

03:11:44.900 why do you pick bear?

03:11:45.640 Why don't you pick man?

03:11:46.920 I think the last time I was on,

03:11:48.020 I asked if,

03:11:49.160 I asked if,

03:11:51.660 we could have bear spray on us,

03:11:53.980 and you said yes.

03:11:55.200 So yeah,

03:11:55.940 I would choose the bear.

03:11:58.360 What's bear spray?

03:11:59.900 It's like pepper spray,

03:12:01.920 except it's just on the bear.

03:12:02.060 Yeah, you can also use the bear spray.

03:12:02.940 It also works on a man.

03:12:04.180 That works on a man pretty effectively.

03:12:06.920 Hell yeah.

03:12:08.300 What's your fear there?

03:12:09.520 What's the fear of the man?

03:12:10.580 Because you pick a wild animal over the man,

03:12:12.760 so why do you pick a bear?

03:12:14.780 I feel like in any case of trouble,

03:12:16.440 they're just as agile as I am.

03:12:18.940 You know,

03:12:19.180 bears are kind of limited to their...

03:12:20.820 Bears are faster than humans,

03:12:22.100 and they can climb trees.

03:12:23.420 Yeah,

03:12:23.860 but they're a little bit more clumsy and big,

03:12:26.140 so they can't quite get into the...

03:12:27.900 Bears are not clumsy.

03:12:30.120 Yes,

03:12:30.500 they're quite,

03:12:30.920 they're quite clumsy.

03:12:32.700 Maybe...

03:12:33.180 They climb mountains.

03:12:33.640 What do you think of a panda bear?

03:12:34.820 They climb mountains with ease.

03:12:36.160 They literally climb up sheer rock faces with ease.

03:12:39.500 And same thing with trees.

03:12:40.800 They climb up trees very easily.

03:12:42.400 They're not actually very clumsy at all.

03:12:44.740 Yeah.

03:12:46.840 Yeah,

03:12:47.260 because they have their claws,

03:12:48.380 but I mean,

03:12:48.840 like in general,

03:12:49.600 their movements,

03:12:50.620 like their arms waving in the air.

03:12:52.120 Sure.

03:12:53.720 But what's the fear of the man?

03:12:56.040 What's the fear of the man?

03:12:57.380 Their arms waving in the air?

03:13:00.240 Is this like...

03:13:01.020 What kind of anime are you wearing?

03:13:03.640 They're watching.

03:13:04.320 Yeah.

03:13:05.160 I don't know.

03:13:06.080 Yeah,

03:13:06.380 I mean,

03:13:06.720 they do have to like attack you.

03:13:09.220 Do the bears run at you?

03:13:10.460 They don't need to stand up.

03:13:11.500 Do they run?

03:13:12.660 I really don't.

03:13:14.340 Why don't you pick man though?

03:13:16.140 Forget about the bear.

03:13:17.040 Why don't you pick man?

03:13:20.160 I would be scared

03:13:21.440 they try and violate me in some way.

03:13:23.640 Okay.

03:13:24.040 That's a concern.

03:13:24.840 What about you?

03:13:26.300 Oh,

03:13:26.620 I mean,

03:13:26.880 I kind of just said it like

03:13:28.220 off the top of my head,

03:13:29.400 like in my head,

03:13:30.480 it was like

03:13:31.180 if a bear is trying to attack me

03:13:33.260 versus if a man

03:13:34.040 is trying to attack me,

03:13:35.040 like I feel like with the bear

03:13:36.100 it would just be over faster.

03:13:38.280 Oh no,

03:13:38.940 they eat you alive

03:13:40.280 and slowly

03:13:40.940 and they start at the groin. 0.94

03:13:42.820 Candace is... 1.00

03:13:43.340 See,

03:13:43.700 I did not know that.

03:13:44.980 Yeah.

03:13:45.460 Candace is right.

03:13:46.360 They'll like...

03:13:47.440 It will be the worst death imaginable.

03:13:49.700 Well then,

03:13:50.260 you know,

03:13:50.780 I change my answer.

03:13:51.680 Like some animals 0.99

03:13:52.340 will kill you first, 1.00

03:13:53.760 then eat you, 1.00

03:13:54.300 but bears will just start eating you. 0.96

03:13:55.580 I don't know a lot about bears,

03:13:57.020 so that's what I thought,

03:13:57.860 but if not,

03:13:58.920 then...

03:13:59.380 But was the concern for you

03:14:00.700 similar to her?

03:14:01.520 Like,

03:14:01.740 oh, 0.88

03:14:02.020 well like a bear could kill me, 1.00

03:14:03.180 a man could kill me, 0.98

03:14:03.960 but the man could like torture me, 0.99

03:14:05.240 he could essay me,

03:14:06.260 this sort of thing.

03:14:07.100 I mean,

03:14:07.480 I guess that's like

03:14:08.140 a small part of it.

03:14:09.480 For me,

03:14:09.840 it was more so like,

03:14:11.880 you know,

03:14:12.140 in my head,

03:14:12.740 once again, 0.99

03:14:13.260 that like bear would kill me faster.

03:14:15.280 So,

03:14:15.720 no.

03:14:16.600 Okay.

03:14:16.980 Which apparently is not true,

03:14:18.180 but that's more so.

03:14:20.940 You know what though?

03:14:21.580 I don't think we can actually

03:14:22.820 pull up the clip

03:14:24.020 because it's kind of graphic

03:14:26.920 and she's got like facial injuries. 1.00

03:14:30.200 So I...

03:14:30.480 Yeah,

03:14:30.740 it would fall on her door probably.

03:14:32.980 Yeah,

03:14:33.420 I mean,

03:14:33.660 it's not,

03:14:34.060 it's not that like terrible,

03:14:36.280 like she's got like pretty bad,

03:14:38.420 like black eyes,

03:14:40.060 but what's your,

03:14:41.500 how do you categorize like this,

03:14:43.060 this incidents or whatever?

03:14:45.820 So the,

03:14:46.560 the prompt over the,

03:14:47.600 she's in like the hospital,

03:14:49.120 she is pretty bruised up.

03:14:50.640 I'll just have to describe it.

03:14:52.040 There's a text that reads,

03:14:55.040 this is why women pick the bear. 1.00

03:14:56.600 I was quite literally

03:14:57.940 walking down the street

03:14:59.240 and me not acknowledging a man

03:15:01.240 got me this.

03:15:03.580 And then she did some other posts. 0.74

03:15:05.220 I didn't really investigate it that much,

03:15:07.100 but,

03:15:07.520 I mean,

03:15:10.860 she was attacked violently.

03:15:14.100 Obviously,

03:15:14.540 that's a terrible thing.

03:15:16.940 I'm a little confused though,

03:15:18.120 like she's claiming it's happened

03:15:19.320 because she didn't,

03:15:20.640 acknowledge the man.

03:15:21.520 Obviously,

03:15:21.860 we're not there.

03:15:22.560 We don't know.

03:15:24.400 I do think sometimes women like will, 1.00

03:15:26.920 like a homeless man will like say some like outlandish shit, 1.00

03:15:29.880 like a homeless mentally challenged, 1.00

03:15:31.620 not mentally challenged,

03:15:32.840 like mentally ill homeless person 0.93

03:15:35.020 who's like on drugs 0.79

03:15:36.020 will like say something to a woman 0.54

03:15:37.860 and then women will like map that onto all men. 1.00

03:15:41.020 Not saying that they're like,

03:15:42.260 there's not normal,

03:15:43.660 quote unquote, 0.82

03:15:44.040 normal men who are like despicable. 0.64

03:15:45.940 I'm not saying that,

03:15:47.300 but like women will encounter like homeless people, 0.98

03:15:50.240 homeless men,

03:15:51.100 or like mentally ill men 0.94

03:15:52.280 and then be like, 0.99

03:15:53.620 oh,

03:15:53.860 okay,

03:15:54.220 like let me map this on to like all men.

03:15:57.200 And I just think some guy like randomly beating up a woman in the street,

03:16:01.580 like unprovoked.

03:16:02.400 I have to wonder like,

03:16:03.720 was he,

03:16:04.360 was he on drugs?

03:16:06.580 Was he like homeless or something?

03:16:09.860 I don't know.

03:16:10.280 We don't know the full story.

03:16:12.520 Okay.

03:16:13.480 Oh,

03:16:13.840 okay.

03:16:14.880 But I do have a question for you

03:16:16.260 when it comes to this whole like,

03:16:18.200 this is,

03:16:18.720 so this,

03:16:19.720 it reads,

03:16:20.400 this is why women pick the bear. 1.00

03:16:21.760 If we replace women with white people, 1.00

03:16:31.300 this is why white people pick the bear. 0.99

03:16:34.800 And the implication here would be over a black person. 0.90

03:16:38.740 I was quite literally walking down the street

03:16:40.740 and me not acknowledging a black person got me this.

03:16:43.200 Would this be a racist statement?

03:16:46.380 If they're generalizing white people

03:16:49.200 to choose a black person,

03:16:51.760 over being on the street with a bear? 0.97

03:16:55.400 No,

03:16:55.880 but like,

03:16:56.800 so she's saying,

03:16:57.540 this is why women pick the bear over men. 1.00

03:17:02.080 So like,

03:17:02.460 let's say, 0.99

03:17:03.000 let's say you're victimized by a black person. 0.94

03:17:05.500 And then you make a Instagram story 0.90

03:17:08.560 and you say,

03:17:09.660 oh,

03:17:09.920 okay,

03:17:10.160 well, 0.99

03:17:10.580 this is why white people pick the bear over black people 0.99

03:17:15.140 because I was victimized by this demographic. 0.97

03:17:20.560 is it racist?

03:17:25.080 Yeah.

03:17:26.340 Okay.

03:17:26.780 So then the position when it comes to men is sexist,

03:17:30.680 just to be logically consistent?

03:17:31.920 Um,

03:17:33.980 yeah,

03:17:39.600 I would say that.

03:17:40.060 Oh,

03:17:40.220 okay.

03:17:40.500 So are women just, 1.00

03:17:41.440 women who pick bear, 1.00

03:17:42.200 are they sexist?

03:17:44.240 Um,

03:17:44.880 they're not sexist.

03:17:45.840 It might come from a point of view of personal experience.

03:17:49.180 I think when you make those general statements,

03:17:51.400 like this is why women choose the bear over the man. 1.00

03:17:56.220 Um,

03:17:57.080 those statements are pretty sexist,

03:17:59.720 but from an individual,

03:18:01.040 that statement might be coming from personal experience.

03:18:04.440 So you're saying on the individual level,

03:18:06.360 it's okay to,

03:18:07.620 if someone prefers the bear,

03:18:09.400 sure,

03:18:09.660 the man,

03:18:10.080 but would they individually on the micro level be sexist?

03:18:14.200 Oh,

03:18:14.620 they might be sexist.

03:18:15.940 They might be sexist.

03:18:16.880 Yeah.

03:18:17.400 Oh,

03:18:17.640 okay.

03:18:18.560 I mean,

03:18:19.080 if you're granting my position that it's sexist,

03:18:21.920 I don't really have anything to debate with you on.

03:18:24.360 Um,

03:18:25.040 do you think sexism is good or bad?

03:18:27.640 Uh,

03:18:28.000 I don't think sexism in any case is good.

03:18:30.600 Okay.

03:18:31.480 So like,

03:18:33.360 why do we sort of paint men with this sort of broad brush?

03:18:37.440 Like,

03:18:37.580 why do we just view them as predators or,

03:18:40.060 um,

03:18:40.800 to the point where like vast amounts of women are saying, 1.00

03:18:45.840 I'd rather be in the forest alone with like a dangerous wild animal over a man.

03:18:49.420 Like, 0.98

03:18:49.680 imagine if people like white people just start saying, 1.00

03:18:51.900 I'd rather be in the forest alone with a dangerous wild animal than a black person. 1.00

03:18:56.200 That, 0.99

03:18:56.560 that would like have to be racist. 0.97

03:18:58.540 So I,

03:18:59.080 I'm wondering like,

03:18:59.680 why is it so okay in I guess modern discourse to just be like openly sexist towards men?

03:19:06.700 That's what I find kind of confusing.

03:19:08.740 I'm not sure why,

03:19:10.520 but,

03:19:11.040 um,

03:19:11.400 a lot of women have had bad personal experiences. 1.00

03:19:15.360 Sure.

03:19:15.960 I,

03:19:16.220 I don't disagree,

03:19:17.240 but I would just go back to like doing a parallel to race.

03:19:21.700 Okay.

03:19:22.220 Let's say a white person has had one,

03:19:24.060 two or three bad experiences with a black person.

03:19:25.980 They see news stories and belong to online groups and they are ticked. 0.93

03:19:29.680 Tick tock,

03:19:30.020 tick tock algorithm is feeding them stories about black on white crime and they have safety concerns.

03:19:36.340 Uh,

03:19:36.620 and then they're like, 0.94

03:19:37.380 all of a sudden they're scared of black people. 0.93

03:19:38.960 They believe, 0.96

03:19:39.680 they,

03:19:40.340 uh, 0.99

03:19:40.960 believe all black people have the capacity for violence or assault of some kind. 0.99

03:19:44.800 Would, 0.99

03:19:45.860 this has to be a racist position to hold.

03:19:48.680 Ergo,

03:19:49.120 it also must be a sexist position to hold.

03:19:51.120 If as a woman, 0.98

03:19:52.120 you've had individual negative experiences with men and then you think all men are like predators or dangerous or whatever.

03:19:58.980 Those women who've had those negative experiences, 0.67

03:20:01.360 they might not think that all men are predators or dangerous.

03:20:04.980 They might just be a little bit more cautious based on their experience.

03:20:09.740 Yeah,

03:20:10.260 sure.

03:20:10.660 And that's okay for people to be more cautious based on their experience.

03:20:13.980 It doesn't mean that they think that all men are dangerous or predators.

03:20:17.620 It's just that they have a wall up or a guard up.

03:20:21.560 Okay,

03:20:22.240 sure.

03:20:23.700 Um,

03:20:24.460 anyways,

03:20:24.820 we kind of talk,

03:20:26.020 we always talk about the bear,

03:20:27.420 so we won't linger too long on that.

03:20:28.960 I'll get back to the show notes here.

03:20:31.220 Uh,

03:20:31.440 let's go to Becca.

03:20:32.280 Becca,

03:20:32.800 ex,

03:20:33.180 ex pastor.

03:20:34.220 You walked away from ministry,

03:20:35.820 religion,

03:20:36.340 and unsupportive beliefs in order to find,

03:20:39.720 fall in love with,

03:20:40.680 and live as your true self.

03:20:43.140 True self.

03:20:43.940 Okay.

03:20:44.580 Uh,

03:20:44.980 you said you,

03:20:46.280 excuse me,

03:20:46.640 help women drop the good girl persona, 1.00

03:20:49.120 and you create a full turn,

03:20:51.220 turn,

03:20:51.940 turn on of their voice,

03:20:53.700 visibility,

03:20:54.720 and impact.

03:20:56.200 You also occasionally get a little naked on the OnlyFans.

03:20:58.880 Yeah.

03:21:00.080 Um, 0.99

03:21:00.520 you said something about pussy based confidence. 0.99

03:21:04.000 What is pussy based confidence? 0.99

03:21:06.760 Um, 0.99

03:21:07.040 pussy based confidence is kind of a term that I coined, 0.98

03:21:10.200 but what it really has to do with is, 0.99

03:21:12.900 um,

03:21:13.760 our sexuality is like the creative life force of us. 0.98

03:21:16.320 So when I talk about pussy based confidence, 0.98

03:21:18.020 it's really the energy of a full turn on, 0.98

03:21:20.040 like that statement says,

03:21:20.800 a full turn on,

03:21:21.820 not just sexually speaking,

03:21:23.000 but a turn on of our life force,

03:21:24.520 a turn on of ourselves in every way,

03:21:27.240 a turn on of actually like appreciating who we are,

03:21:30.300 validating who we are,

03:21:31.340 and living in a way that's aligned to our soul. 0.99

03:21:34.960 Pussy based confidence. 0.98

03:21:36.460 Is there, 0.99

03:21:37.120 what is the,

03:21:37.860 uh,

03:21:38.240 what is the soul in this context?

03:21:41.460 Uh,

03:21:41.860 for me,

03:21:42.580 the soul is like,

03:21:44.000 people use different versions of this word.

03:21:46.580 I would say it's like your deeper intuition,

03:21:47.940 your deeper knowing.

03:21:48.720 I believe personally that our soul existed before.

03:21:50.740 This is just a body.

03:21:51.680 So this is where my spirituality gets into it a little bit.

03:21:54.500 Does the,

03:21:55.060 it's not an agenda I push,

03:21:56.320 but I would say like,

03:21:57.300 you know,

03:21:57.520 when you have like a gut knowing,

03:21:58.680 like this is like something's off or this is the right decision.

03:22:01.500 That's what I'm referencing.

03:22:03.560 Do you,

03:22:04.120 do you think that that people who don't have good intuition don't have souls or

03:22:07.500 they have?

03:22:08.020 Oh no,

03:22:08.480 no,

03:22:08.960 not at all.

03:22:09.600 Everyone has great intuition.

03:22:11.100 People are just disconnected from it.

03:22:13.600 And as women, 0.64

03:22:14.500 we are taught from a young age,

03:22:16.540 many of us,

03:22:17.120 not all of us to be disconnected from our bodies.

03:22:20.640 We're taught that our body is bad.

03:22:21.900 Like I grew up in a home where it's like your body,

03:22:24.060 it wasn't called bad.

03:22:25.480 It was very much like you need to cover it.

03:22:28.080 You need to keep it protected.

03:22:29.360 It's for your husband only. 0.99

03:22:30.620 Like masturbation is wrong. 1.00

03:22:32.820 Like pussy. 1.00

03:22:33.660 No, 1.00

03:22:34.040 I'm talking about like the body and the disconnection from it.

03:22:36.480 Cause I was referencing how your intuition is within your body.

03:22:39.880 You feel it in your body.

03:22:41.340 Yeah.

03:22:41.580 So this,

03:22:42.220 um,

03:22:42.980 well,

03:22:43.380 just real quick,

03:22:44.080 uh,

03:22:44.300 before Brian continues the line of inquiry,

03:22:46.200 I just want to make sure I understand a couple of things.

03:22:47.880 So when you say spiritualism,

03:22:49.860 I'm not sure.

03:22:51.360 Does that,

03:22:51.960 are you saying there's a creator?

03:22:53.540 It's not the Christian God, 1.00

03:22:55.040 but it's some other God.

03:22:55.960 Or what,

03:22:56.540 what does that mean?

03:22:57.340 Exactly.

03:22:58.180 Spiritualism.

03:22:58.900 Is that for some religious archetype or witchcraft or something like that?

03:23:04.120 Like,

03:23:04.320 what is it?

03:23:04.800 What are we,

03:23:05.560 what are we alluding to for spiritualism?

03:23:07.720 Um,

03:23:08.040 well,

03:23:08.180 I didn't say spiritualism.

03:23:09.160 I just said I'm spiritual,

03:23:10.080 but when I'm talking about spirituality for me,

03:23:12.280 I'm just referencing for me,

03:23:19.500 um,

03:23:19.740 some form of a higher power for me,

03:23:21.120 it feels more like energy.

03:23:22.160 That's how I would reference it.

03:23:23.520 Yeah.

03:23:24.240 I think for everybody it's different,

03:23:25.740 right?

03:23:26.240 For me,

03:23:26.600 I had for years,

03:23:27.300 I had the lens of Christianity on what I mean by that is I had supernatural experiences for many years.

03:23:34.240 And I look back now and it's like,

03:23:36.040 Oh,

03:23:36.120 because I'm not a Christian anymore.

03:23:37.300 They weren't real.

03:23:37.860 No,

03:23:38.020 they were real.

03:23:38.620 They were very real.

03:23:39.300 They were real through the lens of my Christian worldview.

03:23:42.900 And you take that lens,

03:23:43.820 like ghosts and stuff like that.

03:23:46.040 Uh,

03:23:46.360 I,

03:23:46.520 I never called them ghosts,

03:23:47.800 but yeah,

03:23:48.500 I mean,

03:23:48.800 I had,

03:23:50.200 yeah,

03:23:50.660 I feel like we're getting out of it.

03:23:52.000 Well,

03:23:52.400 I mean,

03:23:52.920 we're not,

03:23:53.260 I'm just clarifying,

03:23:54.220 right?

03:23:54.420 I just want to understand exactly what it is that you're saying when you use these terms,

03:23:59.000 right?

03:23:59.240 So for me,

03:24:00.020 I think you understand what I mean when I say Christianity anyway.

03:24:03.220 Uh,

03:24:03.500 but if you ever want to clarify,

03:24:04.820 I can clarify it for you.

03:24:05.760 But when you say spiritual,

03:24:07.540 right,

03:24:07.900 it is important for me to understand what you mean by that.

03:24:10.000 So if you're,

03:24:10.840 if you're saying,

03:24:11.900 well,

03:24:12.000 there's some kind of grand archetype,

03:24:13.260 I'm not sure what it is,

03:24:14.140 or some type of deity,

03:24:15.080 perhaps I'm not sure what it is,

03:24:16.280 or the supernatural does exist.

03:24:17.740 I'm just not sure what it is.

03:24:19.240 That all forms into that worldview that you have.

03:24:21.480 And so that's,

03:24:22.140 that's what I'm interested in is kind of,

03:24:24.420 seeing what that is.

03:24:25.540 You know what I mean?

03:24:26.040 So I can understand.

03:24:27.340 That's not something that I push.

03:24:29.220 Yeah.

03:24:29.580 That's not something that I push as any type of agenda.

03:24:31.600 For me,

03:24:31.900 it goes back to like the intuition.

03:24:33.360 So as a coach,

03:24:34.100 one of my main goals,

03:24:35.560 if I have any really is to bring the person back home to themselves.

03:24:38.500 So I'm not going to tell them what to do.

03:24:39.820 I think that people can come back to a deeper knowing.

03:24:42.320 It's just that you have to come,

03:24:43.380 you have to actually start getting the layers of programming and conditioning off you first.

03:24:48.660 We're all brought up in some type of programming.

03:24:50.900 Isn't what you're doing?

03:24:51.920 Programming and conditioning.

03:24:53.660 In what way?

03:24:55.240 Well,

03:24:55.560 you're programming people that they need to come back to a deeper sense of self and that

03:24:59.820 there's a deep sense of intuition.

03:25:02.140 Sure.

03:25:02.420 Yeah,

03:25:02.920 you can call it that.

03:25:03.600 So it's all.

03:25:04.280 I mean,

03:25:04.620 it's programming too,

03:25:05.580 right?

03:25:05.880 Sure.

03:25:06.440 Except there are no staples of beliefs that I'm telling them to go to.

03:25:09.900 I'm bringing them back to themselves.

03:25:11.660 Yeah.

03:25:12.220 Well,

03:25:12.500 sure.

03:25:12.680 You can call it that.

03:25:13.800 There's no staple of belief.

03:25:15.280 What are you bringing them back to?

03:25:16.900 Their own intuition,

03:25:17.960 their own knowing.

03:25:19.620 I,

03:25:19.660 that's like one of the state.

03:25:21.640 I'm sorry.

03:25:22.820 Wouldn't that require belief?

03:25:24.460 It does require belief.

03:25:26.260 Yeah.

03:25:26.500 So then,

03:25:26.940 so then it sounds like it's dogma.

03:25:29.320 Sure.

03:25:30.040 Whatever makes you feel good about calling it that.

03:25:31.720 I have a quick question.

03:25:35.160 Is it,

03:25:35.560 are you just teaching people to love themselves or like,

03:25:39.220 you're asking like with the coaching?

03:25:40.700 Yeah.

03:25:41.080 Yeah.

03:25:41.280 So I work,

03:25:42.020 I actually,

03:25:42.520 no,

03:25:42.740 I do a lot of confidence coaching for entrepreneurs.

03:25:44.800 So it's actually like,

03:25:46.000 this is not even the,

03:25:47.700 a lot of what I,

03:25:48.580 I do with coaching.

03:25:50.140 That's why I felt like we're kind of off track.

03:25:51.600 You,

03:25:51.620 you describe yourself.

03:25:53.540 No,

03:25:54.060 go ahead.

03:25:55.060 Go ahead.

03:25:55.960 No,

03:25:56.160 I was trying to understand what exactly it was that you do.

03:25:59.560 Like if you're just teaching,

03:26:00.360 cause what did you call it? 0.99

03:26:02.920 Pussy something? 1.00

03:26:03.840 Pussy based confidence. 1.00

03:26:06.220 Are you like teaching people to go out there and use their pussy to like love themselves in a sense? 1.00

03:26:13.040 I wouldn't, 1.00

03:26:13.340 I wouldn't word it that way.

03:26:14.460 No,

03:26:14.760 I'm getting them back in touch with who they are.

03:26:16.860 And part of that is their sexual creative power. 0.98

03:26:19.160 But really we're doing a lot of work with mindset,

03:26:21.680 somatic elements because your nervous system,

03:26:23.440 if it's not on board,

03:26:24.300 you're not going to change your mind.

03:26:25.560 So there's a lot of,

03:26:26.980 there's a lot of.

03:26:27.800 But like,

03:26:28.780 are you,

03:26:29.120 is it per one partner or you're saying people?

03:26:31.840 Oh no,

03:26:32.220 this isn't like about,

03:26:33.780 this is,

03:26:34.180 this has no agenda,

03:26:34.940 like separate with like people having sex with people or anything like that.

03:26:38.100 No.

03:26:38.840 Yeah. 0.96

03:26:39.020 You describe yourself as a baddie. 0.97

03:26:40.860 A baddie. 0.89

03:26:41.540 Yeah. 0.61

03:26:41.740 I think I saw some where you describe yourself as a baddie.

03:26:43.540 Absolutely.

03:26:44.140 Definitely.

03:26:44.460 Oh no,

03:26:44.980 I got,

03:26:45.240 I have some thoughts on this cause I've seen other women like self-describe like baddie, 1.00

03:26:49.260 boss babe, 1.00

03:26:50.040 bad bitch, 1.00

03:26:50.560 whatever it is. 1.00

03:26:51.540 Um,

03:26:52.000 I feel like,

03:26:53.220 like women who self-refer to themselves and it's kind of like guys who call themselves alpha male.

03:26:58.180 Oh,

03:26:59.100 I don't think of it as an alpha energy.

03:27:00.720 Well,

03:27:01.000 how about we ask me what the definition would be of how I describe it?

03:27:04.860 I'm not saying that you're referring to yourself as an alpha.

03:27:08.120 Yeah.

03:27:08.440 But it's like the men who refer to themselves as alpha or alpha male.

03:27:12.760 It's kind of lame.

03:27:16.440 That's fine.

03:27:17.140 Yeah.

03:27:17.440 So like,

03:27:18.660 what's that quote from Game of Thrones,

03:27:21.000 Tywin Lannister,

03:27:21.760 Joffrey,

03:27:22.240 like the king?

03:27:22.960 Yeah.

03:27:23.320 Anyone that has to tell someone that they're a king is no king.

03:27:26.380 No king,

03:27:26.860 something like that.

03:27:27.540 I don't know.

03:27:28.060 It's just,

03:27:28.640 yeah,

03:27:28.780 it was more,

03:27:29.380 it was more out of fun and playfulness because I have a lot of fun and playfulness to myself.

03:27:33.500 I can understand how that comes across.

03:27:34.860 Are you saying you perceive her as insecure?

03:27:36.920 Hmm?

03:27:37.600 Are you saying you perceive her as insecure?

03:27:39.660 Yeah.

03:27:39.900 I don't think that would be enough like data to make like a total,

03:27:44.660 like a determination in totality.

03:27:46.860 But I do think like women who tend to like self-refer like, 0.93

03:27:50.240 oh,

03:27:50.340 I'm a baddie. 0.88

03:27:51.520 Like if you're a baddie, 0.84

03:27:52.860 you don't need to say you're a baddie.

03:27:54.400 And it's not so much like,

03:27:56.320 it's more so I,

03:27:57.960 I draw parallels of like the guys who call themselves alpha males.

03:28:01.400 Like,

03:28:01.760 it's just kind of like,

03:28:03.140 like,

03:28:03.300 do you guys think that's like attractive or like,

03:28:05.720 if a guy calls himself an alpha male,

03:28:09.120 like it's just kind of,

03:28:10.200 do you know?

03:28:11.560 It doesn't really matter.

03:28:12.360 Right?

03:28:12.680 You don't have,

03:28:13.120 you don't feel a type of way about that.

03:28:14.760 I do.

03:28:15.380 Yeah.

03:28:15.640 I don't,

03:28:15.980 I hate it.

03:28:16.480 I wonder if there's like,

03:28:17.200 are they actually alpha males?

03:28:18.440 Usually never.

03:28:19.540 Usually never.

03:28:21.020 I don't know.

03:28:23.760 Oh,

03:28:24.120 did you have more,

03:28:24.820 Ayla?

03:28:25.280 Or?

03:28:25.880 That's just a bit of a,

03:28:27.060 I,

03:28:27.420 I feel like like there's like,

03:28:29.080 I think it's like fine if you,

03:28:30.960 if you her as insecure.

03:28:32.220 And for what it's,

03:28:32.640 I don't know if you are or not.

03:28:33.640 Yeah,

03:28:33.820 that's fine.

03:28:34.160 Oh,

03:28:34.300 I mean,

03:28:34.440 I wasn't even making a claim like that.

03:28:37.380 I just was wondering,

03:28:38.080 I wasn't sure if like,

03:28:39.040 when you were responding to me,

03:28:39.940 you were like kind of feeling like maybe like,

03:28:41.560 you're not supposed to like say that directly or something.

03:28:43.720 So I just want to say that I,

03:28:45.280 I wasn't feeling like I was trying to trap you or anything.

03:28:47.160 I was just generally curious if that was how you felt.

03:28:50.780 But it's fine.

03:28:52.200 It's not a big deal.

03:28:52.820 Yeah.

03:28:52.940 I don't,

03:28:53.260 I can't make a determination on that specific thing,

03:28:57.500 just on the basis that she referred to herself as a baddie. 0.85

03:29:00.500 But I mean,

03:29:01.760 I was just making the parallel to like the whole thing where guys call

03:29:06.220 themselves alpha or alpha male.

03:29:07.740 Um,

03:29:08.100 you have a daughter,

03:29:08.820 right?

03:29:09.280 I have two daughters and a son.

03:29:10.680 Two daughters and a son.

03:29:11.840 Um,

03:29:12.140 and how,

03:29:12.500 how does she?

03:29:13.420 19,

03:29:14.100 18 and 13.

03:29:15.420 Okay.

03:29:15.880 And like,

03:29:16.340 would you want her to do a,

03:29:18.140 of,

03:29:18.280 if she felt it was aligned for her,

03:29:20.700 but I don't push it.

03:29:22.460 Okay.

03:29:23.200 All right.

03:29:24.380 And,

03:29:24.940 um,

03:29:26.360 all right.

03:29:27.620 Uh,

03:29:28.080 getting into your,

03:29:28.960 some of the crazy dating stories.

03:29:30.040 You said there was a time you were swinger for a bit,

03:29:32.260 but lots of stories there in general.

03:29:33.540 Uh,

03:29:33.940 what will be fun to talk about with me is that you're a pastor.

03:29:37.220 We talked about that.

03:29:38.280 Um,

03:29:38.660 and then like you said,

03:29:39.500 you're a top one OF creator.

03:29:41.380 Like,

03:29:41.800 so what does that actually mean?

03:29:42.780 Like top 1%?

03:29:44.040 Um,

03:29:45.480 top,

03:29:46.000 top one percentages have to do with income typically,

03:29:49.420 but it isn't,

03:29:50.580 I don't know exactly how it works on the only fans,

03:29:52.340 but isn't the case like when you're factoring in top 1%,

03:29:54.820 like,

03:29:55.320 aren't you factoring in the accounts that are like the consumers?

03:29:58.520 So they don't post anything,

03:29:59.540 but they're just like buying the only fans content.

03:30:02.000 I have no idea.

03:30:02.420 Haven't you done stuff on this?

03:30:03.920 Yeah.

03:30:04.340 Or is it just creator based when you're look,

03:30:06.500 people are talking about percentages.

03:30:07.880 Yeah.

03:30:07.940 I,

03:30:08.360 you would know better than me.

03:30:09.620 Yeah.

03:30:09.800 I,

03:30:10.000 I,

03:30:10.080 I'm under the impression that it does not take into account people who are

03:30:13.000 creators,

03:30:13.420 but it does take into account inactive creator accounts.

03:30:16.400 So it,

03:30:17.400 it's a,

03:30:18.260 yeah,

03:30:18.760 I think like most active accounts are typically in the top like three,

03:30:22.340 to 8%.

03:30:23.060 Okay.

03:30:24.500 Sure.

03:30:25.320 And then let's see here.

03:30:26.820 You,

03:30:27.360 okay.

03:30:29.620 You wanted to talk about vetting dates,

03:30:31.000 communication,

03:30:31.580 sex plus respect,

03:30:32.480 and dismantling what is appropriate,

03:30:34.740 especially for women when it comes to what they do with their bodies. 1.00

03:30:36.940 Um,

03:30:37.940 and then overall belief that what your desire,

03:30:40.160 what you desire exists.

03:30:41.840 This is a big one.

03:30:42.920 Um,

03:30:43.200 what do you mean by,

03:30:44.220 uh,

03:30:44.580 when it comes to what they dismantling,

03:30:46.500 what is appropriate when it comes to what they do with their bodies,

03:30:49.460 women? 1.00

03:30:50.260 I think it's just the narrative that is,

03:30:52.840 that exists and has existed for so long that women who are, 1.00

03:30:56.760 um,

03:30:57.780 expressing themselves sexually in whatever way that looks like.

03:31:00.620 Maybe it's just,

03:31:01.180 they dress super sexy,

03:31:02.280 whatever,

03:31:02.780 that they can't be that.

03:31:04.520 And also respected that they can't be that.

03:31:06.840 And also a person of influence that,

03:31:08.380 that it can't be that.

03:31:09.280 And also a leader.

03:31:10.260 And so,

03:31:11.060 and that's not to say everyone feels that way,

03:31:12.940 but I think that is definitely a narrative in our society.

03:31:16.740 Okay.

03:31:17.940 All right.

03:31:18.440 So,

03:31:19.120 I mean,

03:31:19.420 would you take quarrel then?

03:31:20.720 Like,

03:31:20.880 let's say,

03:31:21.340 uh,

03:31:22.260 a man,

03:31:23.360 a man's standard is, 0.91

03:31:25.500 uh,

03:31:25.640 he'd prefer to date a woman who dressed modestly.

03:31:27.560 Do you,

03:31:27.780 do you take objection or quarrel?

03:31:29.280 No,

03:31:29.420 I think that's preference and there's nothing wrong with that.

03:31:31.360 Okay.

03:31:32.500 Um,

03:31:33.220 Hmm.

03:31:33.900 All right.

03:31:34.400 But aren't these narratives,

03:31:35.560 aren't these narratives built around preference?

03:31:38.480 Like,

03:31:38.860 isn't that the very idea behind the narrative that you're talking about?

03:31:42.160 So if the,

03:31:42.660 you're saying a woman's dressing promiscuously, 0.98

03:31:45.320 let's say she's all tatted up, 0.99

03:31:46.760 she's dressed promiscuously,

03:31:47.980 this type of thing.

03:31:49.220 Um,

03:31:49.800 and you say,

03:31:50.280 but that doesn't actually detract from the fact that she'd be a powerful

03:31:53.080 leader or you could be this,

03:31:54.920 you could be that,

03:31:55.660 but isn't the reason the narrative exists in the first place because the

03:32:01.100 preference of X group doesn't like that to begin with.

03:32:05.480 So isn't that in a way kind of setting people up for failure?

03:32:07.980 I guess,

03:32:08.740 but you're also talking about a standard of social norms versus just a

03:32:12.220 preference,

03:32:12.840 right?

03:32:13.060 Those are,

03:32:13.680 those to me are two different things,

03:32:15.140 right?

03:32:15.780 Well,

03:32:15.900 social norms come from preferences,

03:32:17.660 right?

03:32:19.140 Sure.

03:32:19.580 A whole lot of people having a certain preference based on certain

03:32:24.180 beliefs that can be really damning toward one gender or one race or

03:32:27.680 whatever.

03:32:28.520 Yeah.

03:32:28.700 I mean,

03:32:28.920 whether they are,

03:32:29.560 they're not right.

03:32:30.820 They're still coming from preferences.

03:32:32.700 So if it is the case that these are coming from preferences,

03:32:35.700 if you tell women,

03:32:37.800 they like,

03:32:38.240 let's say most men have a preference against women who dress promiscuously and 0.62

03:32:42.260 have tons of tattoos and things like this,

03:32:44.440 right?

03:32:44.700 At least like,

03:32:45.960 let's say,

03:32:46.540 I don't know,

03:32:47.220 high powered executives or people like this who want a long-term relationship,

03:32:51.580 right?

03:32:51.960 The chances are they don't want their woman to show up with sleeve tattoos and 0.98

03:32:55.640 dress promiscuously when they're around,

03:32:57.320 you know,

03:32:57.820 X,

03:32:58.120 X group.

03:32:59.200 Isn't it kind of setting them up for failure to tell them that it's actually,

03:33:02.980 no,

03:33:03.100 you could reclaim this in some power position,

03:33:05.300 which ultimately isn't even up to them.

03:33:07.040 It's up to other people's preference,

03:33:08.220 right?

03:33:09.420 In certain ways,

03:33:10.580 but I'm,

03:33:11.200 it's not so black and white as you're declaring it to be,

03:33:14.120 right?

03:33:14.620 You're making,

03:33:14.880 I'm not saying it's like why I'm just asking.

03:33:17.060 Yeah.

03:33:17.540 I think in certain,

03:33:18.640 in certain ways,

03:33:19.440 yes.

03:33:19.600 If you're talking about like a top CEO executive position,

03:33:21.940 they're going in for,

03:33:22.700 they can't just dress however they want,

03:33:24.360 but it's,

03:33:24.740 it's more about embracing their sexuality in general and expressing it in

03:33:29.180 whatever way feels good to them.

03:33:30.680 And the idea that,

03:33:32.420 and again,

03:33:32.800 this is like the whole taboo energy that we have in the society.

03:33:36.780 The idea that like,

03:33:37.580 oh,

03:33:37.780 well the respect goes out the window,

03:33:40.040 right?

03:33:40.280 Like people aren't going to respect you.

03:33:41.560 And that's,

03:33:41.880 that's very true for the most part.

03:33:44.300 I agree.

03:33:44.820 I just think that aren't you,

03:33:46.720 isn't it counterintuitive?

03:33:48.160 So if you're saying,

03:33:49.540 well,

03:33:49.800 this is socially taboo,

03:33:51.600 which means the taboo came from preference.

03:33:53.880 I mean,

03:33:54.320 otherwise it wouldn't be a taboo.

03:33:56.260 Like what would make it a taboo other than tons and tons of people prefer that

03:34:00.120 it's not,

03:34:00.660 you know,

03:34:01.380 happening,

03:34:02.160 right?

03:34:02.380 That that's what a taboo would be.

03:34:04.240 So that's the case.

03:34:05.700 If you're telling women to embrace this thing, 0.98

03:34:09.420 which is taboo,

03:34:11.000 then you're also essentially telling them that they're going to be at the

03:34:14.160 mercy of all of these preferences against that taboo.

03:34:17.080 Doesn't that,

03:34:17.580 how does that not set them up for failure?

03:34:19.160 Yeah.

03:34:19.440 It just depends on how they're choosing to,

03:34:21.120 because like for me,

03:34:21.880 right,

03:34:22.060 I'm on only fans.

03:34:23.220 Okay.

03:34:23.340 That's not,

03:34:24.040 not every woman,

03:34:25.120 not even close to every woman,

03:34:26.180 or even a large percent of it is going to want to express themselves that way.

03:34:29.320 So I have the privilege of running my own business.

03:34:33.280 So I'm not going to have anybody coming to my throat and telling me I can't

03:34:36.020 dress a certain way or do certain things,

03:34:37.420 but it doesn't mean that a woman who's in corporate can't decide she's going

03:34:41.840 to express herself in the way that she wants in a way that feels good to her.

03:34:46.240 Because I have women coming to me, 1.00

03:34:47.200 they're like,

03:34:47.420 Oh,

03:34:47.520 I want to do only fans.

03:34:49.060 And because they know I do it,

03:34:50.260 they're asking me for my advice.

03:34:51.300 And like,

03:34:51.540 I can't do it in the way that you do it.

03:34:53.300 Can I do it anonymously?

03:34:54.540 Whatever.

03:34:54.860 And this is just an only fans example,

03:34:56.880 but it's,

03:34:57.260 it's just figuring out what feels good to them and feels aligned that they can

03:35:01.080 push the edges on.

03:35:02.680 And yes,

03:35:03.160 at the same time,

03:35:04.140 this is more of a movement of dismantling the things that are telling us as

03:35:08.640 women, 1.00

03:35:08.940 we have to look a certain way.

03:35:10.460 We have to cover,

03:35:11.220 you know,

03:35:11.700 ourselves in a certain way to be respected or to be respectable.

03:35:14.580 And it has to,

03:35:15.540 you know,

03:35:15.860 fit in this box of other people's expectations.

03:35:18.080 That's literally the number one regret of the dying.

03:35:20.800 So this is much broader is that people aren't regretting what they didn't

03:35:24.680 accomplish.

03:35:25.420 And if they didn't freaking make a bunch of money,

03:35:27.080 they're regretting that they lived a life for everyone else's expectations

03:35:29.960 instead of being true to themselves.

03:35:31.320 People aren't on their deathbed wishing they got gang bang.

03:35:34.460 So the thing is,

03:35:35.420 is like ultimately,

03:35:36.960 ultimately if,

03:35:38.460 if the idea here is preference based,

03:35:40.520 right.

03:35:41.200 And you're like,

03:35:41.740 it's a movement against these social taboos,

03:35:43.660 which is what you're after.

03:35:44.740 Right.

03:35:45.020 Why wouldn't that instead create whiplash where the movement against those social

03:35:49.620 taboos becomes even stronger.

03:35:51.800 It's like in some ways,

03:35:53.760 right.

03:35:54.080 I get what you're trying to do.

03:35:55.280 You're saying going against the grain.

03:35:56.480 Feminists have been doing this for, 1.00

03:35:57.640 you know,

03:35:58.300 decades and decades and decades,

03:35:59.600 but the whiplash against it now is like nothing I've ever seen.

03:36:03.260 You know,

03:36:03.460 Gen Z is becoming more conservative, 1.00

03:36:05.660 uh,

03:36:06.220 and less liberal.

03:36:07.040 And they're,

03:36:07.640 they want more conservative women, 1.00

03:36:09.160 not less liberal.

03:36:09.900 More women are saying they want more conservative men,

03:36:12.180 less liberal men,

03:36:12.980 things like this.

03:36:13.820 It seems like the movement towards tradition is backlash against exactly what you're

03:36:17.800 trying to attempt,

03:36:18.520 which is basically what feminists have been trying to attempt sexual liberation for 1.00

03:36:22.340 about 70 years.

03:36:24.100 Well,

03:36:24.380 and I agree.

03:36:25.300 And also it's not a movement for everyone. 0.98

03:36:28.440 I'm not out here saying every fucking woman needs to be following this. 0.96

03:36:31.500 Every woman should be coming on, 1.00

03:36:32.560 but it is for the women who are in a place where they feel that angst. 0.99

03:36:36.440 They feel this fragmentation of their body of,

03:36:39.120 of their life because they're living this way and feeling this way.

03:36:42.420 Right.

03:36:42.680 And so I'm not for everyone as a coach.

03:36:44.760 I'm not for everyone as a speaker and the movement isn't for every woman, 0.99

03:36:47.760 but it is for the women who want to take back control in that way and actually be 1.00

03:36:51.540 more self-expressed in a way that feels good,

03:36:53.760 that lights them up that they felt like they couldn't do before.

03:36:56.600 Yeah.

03:36:57.020 But I guess what I'm asking is like,

03:36:58.320 is it really control?

03:36:59.600 So when you think about it,

03:37:00.920 so I'm just trying to think about it from your perspective,

03:37:03.420 right?

03:37:03.620 The idea of we're giving control back to these women who feel like they're maybe 1.00

03:37:07.360 sexually oppressed or that they can't express themselves properly,

03:37:10.620 sexually without being judged by it.

03:37:12.700 Right.

03:37:12.920 Sure.

03:37:13.120 But is that really control?

03:37:15.080 Like,

03:37:15.320 is that really control or is it setting you up for failure?

03:37:19.120 Well,

03:37:19.300 I don't consider it control.

03:37:20.760 Like for instance,

03:37:21.580 what are you controlling at that point?

03:37:23.440 For me,

03:37:23.860 it's personal sovereignty.

03:37:24.860 It's personal autonomy.

03:37:25.900 It's personal agency.

03:37:27.020 Right.

03:37:27.440 So it's not about like control and having control over even other people's

03:37:30.580 opinions per se.

03:37:31.480 I mean,

03:37:31.960 the things that I've done stepping down from church,

03:37:34.900 from ministry,

03:37:35.540 walking away from church,

03:37:36.760 deconstructing my faith and being like, 0.51

03:37:38.340 I'm no longer a Christian after that's what everyone knew me for.

03:37:40.820 That was,

03:37:41.860 that was not easy.

03:37:42.780 I had to get to a point where I actually was so grounded in who I was and

03:37:45.880 who,

03:37:46.160 and loving myself and knowing judgment is coming from every angle.

03:37:50.260 I had no one for a whole year.

03:37:52.440 No one in my corner.

03:37:53.200 Judgment comes a lot less when you convince people over to your side,

03:37:55.760 right?

03:37:56.460 Yeah,

03:37:56.700 but I,

03:37:57.220 but that's the beauty of it.

03:37:58.360 That's what I'm trying to say is I don't have any agenda to,

03:38:01.460 to like prove my side to anyone.

03:38:04.240 And I don't,

03:38:05.080 I think that's the whole,

03:38:06.140 that's where we all go wrong.

03:38:07.440 You can prove a point or you can influence a heart,

03:38:10.940 but you cannot do both.

03:38:13.080 So it has to come back.

03:38:14.080 I'm pretty,

03:38:14.920 pretty confident.

03:38:15.660 You can not only win a point,

03:38:17.700 but influence a heart at the same time.

03:38:19.720 I'm,

03:38:19.860 I'm a hundred percent confident.

03:38:21.220 It's very uncommon when proving the point comes from an agenda of I'm right

03:38:25.200 and you're wrong.

03:38:26.060 That's all.

03:38:26.560 That's what I mean by that statement.

03:38:28.120 Oh,

03:38:28.260 you may not win over that person's heart,

03:38:30.000 right?

03:38:30.300 But this is why we have social taboos to begin with.

03:38:32.740 People have been having these debates for thousands of years,

03:38:35.000 right?

03:38:35.200 Not this isn't the first one first time to two different worldviews have ever

03:38:38.780 clashed and not agreed with each other.

03:38:41.280 Right.

03:38:41.960 But what are they clashing for?

03:38:43.740 Well,

03:38:43.960 they're usually clashing not to convince the opposite person,

03:38:46.740 but to convince the people who are viewing the clash,

03:38:49.300 right?

03:38:49.720 This is the same reason people show up to sporting events and everything else,

03:38:53.060 right?

03:38:53.200 They're showing up for the clash itself.

03:38:55.840 You want to see which thing wins out,

03:38:57.900 which thing it makes the most sense.

03:38:59.680 It seems to me that if it is the case that there's a massive social taboo against the

03:39:05.260 idea of this sexual liberation,

03:39:07.940 that you would actually,

03:39:09.000 instead of empowering women,

03:39:09.980 be setting them up for failure by telling them that they should do everything in their

03:39:13.420 power to go against what the preferences of most men are.

03:39:17.820 Like,

03:39:18.100 that seems so counterintuitive to me.

03:39:20.120 Yeah,

03:39:20.420 I'm not,

03:39:21.240 that's not the goal.

03:39:22.360 The goal isn't go against everything men have preference for.

03:39:25.360 The goal is figure out who you are and what's aligned for you and where you're hiding parts

03:39:29.680 of you and where you're shaming parts of you.

03:39:31.960 That's what the goal is.

03:39:32.820 well, 0.99

03:39:33.040 then what is pussy power? 1.00

03:39:34.380 What is pussy power except saying that you have power in your sexuality and its expression. 1.00

03:39:39.080 But the preference of most men is that when women express overt sexuality, 0.99

03:39:44.100 right?

03:39:44.400 They don't like it.

03:39:45.480 They're like,

03:39:45.940 wait,

03:39:46.240 that makes you easy or that makes you this or that makes you that.

03:39:49.480 They definitely don't have a preference for easy women, 1.00

03:39:52.220 not most men.

03:39:53.100 There's some men I'll grant you that do,

03:39:55.360 but most men don't.

03:39:56.720 So that's like,

03:39:58.300 it just seems like it's setting people up for failure by that metric in a way.

03:40:02.660 Yeah. 0.97

03:40:03.160 And that's a whole side topic because pussy based confidence is not just about the idea 0.99

03:40:09.380 of just getting them back to their sexuality and having it sexually expressed. 0.99

03:40:12.860 I mean,

03:40:13.020 if I said, 0.98

03:40:13.520 I teach a course on dick based confidence, 0.96

03:40:16.240 right? 0.98

03:40:16.900 Wouldn't you,

03:40:17.620 I mean,

03:40:18.020 what,

03:40:18.340 what would your assumption there be?

03:40:19.900 Your assumption there would be,

03:40:21.820 uh,

03:40:22.080 men are in charge,

03:40:23.140 men are liberated,

03:40:24.040 men do what they want.

03:40:26.200 And we're going to,

03:40:26.960 we're,

03:40:27.140 you know,

03:40:27.320 we're going to go bang a bunch of chicks. 1.00

03:40:29.200 You know, 0.89

03:40:29.460 like those would be the pre assumptions,

03:40:31.420 which are built into that.

03:40:32.880 And those would be reasonable assumptions.

03:40:34.960 Wouldn't they?

03:40:36.620 Yes.

03:40:36.980 I'm sorry.

03:40:37.400 I got distracted by the comment.

03:40:38.860 And also there seems to be a protest outside.

03:40:42.060 So I have to tell you that I did not hear the last sentence.

03:40:44.400 I think they're calling for Lily.

03:40:45.720 Stop.

03:40:47.200 Oh,

03:40:48.200 yeah.

03:40:49.880 There's like a lot.

03:40:50.700 Hold on.

03:41:19.880 I said,

03:41:22.040 because I've been human,

03:41:22.640 I can't talk about these.

03:41:23.080 I mean,

03:41:24.960 do two things within that.

03:41:27.280 I mean,

03:41:28.940 I think that's a perilous fight.

03:41:29.840 I hope I'm gonna be able to find that or two things within the next week.

03:41:31.940 Any other things for someone else's fighting for Yoda orе出ad?

03:41:34.440 Or are they doing all the struggle?

03:41:37.040 No,

03:41:39.380 going on to thedelice of the fight?

03:41:41.120 And in my life?

03:41:42.180 And one man that just wants to keep writing a long walk anymore,

03:41:45.920 that needs to be handled.

03:41:47.140 Mm.

03:41:47.880 Herr Rice,

03:41:48.820 I don't know.

03:42:03.640 So, okay, where were we?

03:42:05.600 What were we talking about?

03:42:07.800 We were just finishing, I think, unless you have more you wanted to hit on.

03:42:13.600 I honestly can't say because I didn't hear the last sentence you said, so I'm sorry.

03:42:16.860 Yeah, I mean, I'll get into some of the other show notes, so let me do that.

03:42:23.120 So, okay, let's see here.

03:42:25.320 Wait, wait, wait.

03:42:25.900 What are they calling for there?

03:42:27.200 Oh, my God.

03:42:43.460 Okay, hold on.

03:42:45.140 Moving on.

03:42:46.860 Wait, hold on.

03:43:09.200 All right.

03:43:10.220 Okay, let's get back into some of the pre-show notes, then.

03:43:12.660 We're just going to have to move on.

03:43:14.300 Let's see here.

03:43:15.060 We do have anything else here from Becca.

03:43:21.060 Let's see.

03:43:21.680 Asked you to...

03:43:22.800 No, okay.

03:43:23.340 We're just going to move on to Katerina.

03:43:26.940 Katerina, you're pre-show notes here. 1.00

03:43:28.920 You said, pick me to be on your stupid show. 1.00

03:43:33.560 That was the beginning of it. 1.00

03:43:35.020 I thought that was all the notes.

03:43:37.640 I'm like, wow.

03:43:38.780 She got picked?

03:43:40.720 Yeah.

03:43:42.000 That was like, that was last year.

03:43:45.640 And I bantered back before with everybody, and they all told me it was a bad idea.

03:43:51.360 So I decided not to, but then my sister came to LA.

03:43:55.880 So I thought, hey, I'll swing by.

03:43:59.080 Okay, cool. 1.00

03:44:00.300 Why is the show stupid? 0.99

03:44:02.060 Well, I just think that you guys don't give us like... 1.00

03:44:07.140 I think that... 0.99

03:44:09.140 I don't think your show is stupid. 0.99

03:44:15.420 I said that... 1.00

03:44:16.560 Oh, okay.

03:44:17.400 Yeah, I know.

03:44:17.920 I said that when there was some...

03:44:20.500 I think you guys do a great job of getting your likes and getting your comments and going

03:44:26.300 viral.

03:44:26.760 So, um, and I thought that coming on would be fun and something fun to do with my sister

03:44:35.880 because we don't really get to hang out much, and I always wanted to come to LA, and that's

03:44:42.160 why I ended up here. 0.97

03:44:43.880 I apologize for calling your show stupid. 0.98

03:44:45.960 It is a little bit like, you know... 0.97

03:44:50.400 Sorry.

03:44:53.180 I've never been like on a mic before, so just give me a minute to...

03:44:56.760 I've just been sitting here trying to figure out what the right words to say are.

03:45:00.660 I think that, um, you know, people that use and take advantage of people for money in

03:45:08.560 all sense are, um, not, like, I live my life not using and taking advantage of people for

03:45:14.760 money, and, um, it's really hard to do that, and I think that, like, I'm not trying to say

03:45:21.000 anything bad about sex work.

03:45:22.060 My mom, uh, was in sex work, so I have a big heart for it.

03:45:27.740 Um, I just think that there's more to each individual story, and I don't think you guys

03:45:34.960 really give much tenderness to, like, the women that are on here.

03:45:40.600 Hmm, okay, well, is there anything else, or...

03:45:43.800 Because I want to go point by point.

03:45:45.760 Sure.

03:45:46.280 What else?

03:45:46.340 Is there anything else, or is that it?

03:45:47.920 That's about it.

03:45:48.680 Okay, so you mentioned using and taking advantage of...

03:45:53.000 People for money.

03:45:54.120 And I don't say that...

03:45:54.400 People for money.

03:45:55.200 So how am I doing that?

03:45:56.420 I'm not saying that you guys do that.

03:45:57.660 I'm just saying...

03:45:58.160 Why did you bring it up, then?

03:45:59.480 I just...

03:46:00.160 I brought it up because, um, I... 0.98

03:46:03.160 Okay, I asked you for how the show is stupid, and then you invoked... 0.98

03:46:08.160 You said using and taking advantage of people. 0.99

03:46:11.140 Yeah.

03:46:11.320 How are we using or taking advantage of people?

03:46:13.500 I didn't mean it that you guys are using... 0.99

03:46:14.440 So why would you bring it up when I asked you the basis of your claim that the show is stupid? 0.95

03:46:19.160 I meant, like, I just wanted to come on the show and prove a different side of, you know, being a woman and not using and taking advantage of people for money, and being, like, you know, trying to be noble in this world without, you know, putting other people down. 0.97

03:46:37.360 And at the same point of, like, growing up with all, like, porn and how it desensitizes people, and I think that, you know, there's...

03:46:52.340 I've never, like, I've never actually watched porn in my life, so, like, I don't see the hype.

03:46:59.080 I think that it's really hard to be a good person in this world, and it takes a lot of work and effort.

03:47:08.060 And I just want to do the right thing, and I don't mean to put anybody down.

03:47:13.460 I was, like, you know, probably in my feelings about something that you said when I wrote that message.

03:47:19.060 And...

03:47:20.100 Okay, so your position is not that we're using and taking advantage of people?

03:47:24.900 No, no, no.

03:47:25.220 You're saying you don't use and take advantage of people?

03:47:27.940 Yeah, because it's so easy to use and take advantage of people.

03:47:30.520 I've been using and taking advantage of for many things.

03:47:32.900 Okay.

03:47:33.020 So I think that, like, the whole message that I'm trying to convey being on this show is, like, not to do that and just to, you know...

03:47:43.720 Okay, so just to be charitable here, you're saying that it's our position that we make the claim that, for example, women who do OnlyFans, they're using and taking advantage of men.

03:47:54.700 And you don't use and take advantage of men? 1.00

03:47:56.940 Is that your position?

03:47:58.080 Yeah, basically.

03:47:58.500 Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't...

03:48:02.660 I honestly don't even really like the porn bad conversation.

03:48:05.900 I find it kind of boring, but...

03:48:07.900 I'm not saying porn is bad.

03:48:09.200 I'm just saying I don't watch it.

03:48:10.320 I didn't say you said that.

03:48:11.480 But, I mean, there are...

03:48:15.140 And actually, I do want to give a little bit of credit to Candice here, because I saw on your...

03:48:21.100 I looked at some of your links.

03:48:22.280 On your OnlyFans, it appears that you...

03:48:24.780 And I wrote this down.

03:48:26.740 I've never seen this on an OnlyFans profile, but you wrote something along the lines of...

03:48:33.280 You write, the engagement on this platform by Eva...

03:48:37.600 Is it Eva or Eva?

03:48:38.580 Eva, but...

03:48:39.300 Eva Lavia is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

03:48:43.000 All interactions represent a curated digital persona and should not be interpreted as personal, professional, or real-world relationships.

03:48:49.660 Eva Lavia does not break character in all interaction...

03:48:53.260 Trademark, by the way.

03:48:54.340 And all interactions are intended to remain within the boundaries of this digital platform.

03:48:58.660 Is that like a disclaimer, because you're...

03:49:00.460 Are you using AI, or you have, like, chat...

03:49:02.600 No, no, no.

03:49:03.560 No, no.

03:49:03.920 I don't use AI at all.

03:49:05.200 But you have, like, chatters or, like, management that, like, chats for you?

03:49:07.680 No, I have management that helps with content, but no, I try to get to as many people as I can, which is...

03:49:12.340 But you don't have, like, a typer or a chatter?

03:49:13.960 No, no, no, no.

03:49:14.900 Oh, because I thought this was the disclosure you were essentially hinting at.

03:49:17.960 No, the disclosure is to make it clear, because sometimes there can be delusional men, and

03:49:24.720 it's not always their fault, because I have seen really bad practices.

03:49:28.660 Let me get this man out. 0.97

03:49:29.400 Sorry.

03:49:30.800 I have seen bad practices from creators as well, where they, I mean, I've heard them literally 0.90

03:49:36.420 say, I'm going to suck this guy dry, right? 0.94

03:49:38.840 Like, I'm just going to, like, drain his bank account. 1.00

03:49:40.600 Like, I think that that's awful.

03:49:42.820 I don't know when should be doing that.

03:49:43.720 So, I want it to be abundantly clear, like, this is entertainment.

03:49:47.860 If we are engaging in chat, like, that it's not a relationship, consume this responsibly.

03:49:53.700 So, you don't have anybody sending messages on your behalf?

03:49:56.660 No.

03:49:58.480 Okay.

03:49:58.920 I mean, I wasn't, I perhaps misunderstood this portion of it.

03:50:03.740 I thought this was actually, like, a disclosure, like, hey, by the way, like, you might not

03:50:08.320 actually be talking to me, because that kind of goes into my point here of how, like, I

03:50:14.880 think, I think there is some degree of fraud that's going on.

03:50:19.960 That's really sweet, though, that you've put, like, a little disclosure in case.

03:50:22.480 But, I actually, I mean, Candice, I actually, now that I've brought it here, though, this

03:50:28.120 actually was not my intention, so I don't want you to feel like you're being blindsided

03:50:31.900 or whatever.

03:50:32.480 But, like, I was under the impression that this disclaimer was indicating that you did

03:50:38.340 use, like, typers and chatters, or you had, like, AI, for example.

03:50:42.300 I mean, I see that you're active now, but you're sitting here at the table.

03:50:45.400 No, it's active because it's just, like, whether or not you have an app.

03:50:47.780 But if you go to chat, like, there's not going to be...

03:50:50.580 Isn't it based on, like, how recently you sent a message?

03:50:53.500 No, no, you can have it open.

03:50:54.820 I accidentally, I've had it open on, like, a laptop, then it was open for days, and

03:50:58.320 then that was mortifying.

03:51:00.260 Yeah.

03:51:00.680 All right.

03:51:01.140 I'll take your word for it.

03:51:02.120 Yeah.

03:51:02.700 But it is the case that a lot of these women who are on OnlyFans are employing, like, 1.00

03:51:07.520 a type or a chatter.

03:51:09.040 Or AI, yeah.

03:51:09.060 And having somebody communicate, like, through proxy or on their behalf.

03:51:13.600 Um, and I think my trouble with this is, if you're up front with this, I suppose that's

03:51:19.960 fine, but if you're making representations, and many women will actually write, you're 1.00

03:51:24.380 talking to me, you're not talking to a manager, you're not talking, like, you're talking to

03:51:28.300 me, I'm sending the message.

03:51:29.720 I mean, this would be a form of fraud that I think, uh, I mean, I don't know if it's

03:51:35.780 criminal fraud, but...

03:51:36.840 No, it's definitely not criminal, but you're also...

03:51:39.100 Could be.

03:51:40.040 Well, we'll see.

03:51:41.880 I don't know.

03:51:42.040 You'd have to find a lot, but, um, they're engaging with the persona as well.

03:51:45.940 You know what I mean?

03:51:46.640 So I've...

03:51:48.040 Wait, are you defending the use of, like, typers where you've otherwise...

03:51:50.920 No, no, no, no, I'm saying...

03:51:51.440 Where you've, like, represented that you haven't...

03:51:53.180 No, no, no, I'm saying, um, like, if you're going there because you're trying to establish,

03:51:57.200 like, a real relationship, you're in the wrong place.

03:51:59.000 So that's kind of that disclaimer, because that can get physically dangerous, too.

03:52:03.140 Sure, yeah.

03:52:03.900 Um...

03:52:04.300 Stalkers, that sort of thing.

03:52:05.320 Yeah, exactly, and that happens really often, so I think it's important to know, like, this

03:52:08.500 is, this is all pretend, we're engaging and pretend together.

03:52:11.720 Yeah.

03:52:12.700 No, I just bring it up because that's one of my, uh, I mean, the nude photos and stuff,

03:52:17.060 like, people have, like, moral objections to, like, pornography, nude photos.

03:52:20.780 I mean, that's not really a super strong position, I tend to argue.

03:52:24.780 My biggest position when it comes to, like, OnlyFans is these women are just straight up 1.00

03:52:28.260 misrepresenting and, like, engaging in fraudulent conduct.

03:52:31.880 Yeah, I don't agree with that either, and I've seen a lot of people that will pretend to

03:52:34.940 fall in love or just send me this, right?

03:52:37.160 And that's a really dangerous game to play, and that's not fair to the guy either.

03:52:41.180 Yeah.

03:52:41.640 Yeah. 0.79

03:52:41.840 How do you feel about fake orgasms? 0.97

03:52:44.480 Fake orgasms? 0.99

03:52:45.360 Yeah.

03:52:45.460 I don't think people should do it in relationships.

03:52:47.080 I think, uh, you should communicate openly with your partner if there's things that they

03:52:51.820 can improve on so you can climax, but...

03:52:54.140 So I meant, like, I guess in porn or OnlyFans.

03:52:55.940 Oh, in porn and OnlyFans? 0.95

03:52:57.400 Yeah, like, if somebody, like, fakes an orgasm. 0.85

03:53:00.060 Isn't that just the industry? 0.55

03:53:01.340 Like, the women just fake their orgasms? 1.00

03:53:03.040 Sure, okay, sure.

03:53:04.220 Yeah, I guess, I don't know, maybe there's a spectrum, maybe you could design a spectrum

03:53:07.260 of, like, the kinds of things where fraud is bad or not.

03:53:10.620 I also don't mean this as a gotcha, I'm just, like, genuinely...

03:53:13.000 Well, I mean, but, like, what about actresses in films where there's a sex scene and they 1.00

03:53:15.860 climax?

03:53:15.880 Yeah, so I guess maybe it's, like, implied knowledge?

03:53:17.520 Like, implied...

03:53:18.700 Like, if somebody's signing up for OnlyFans, they expect it to be real?

03:53:20.360 I think, like, if a woman fakes an orgasm in, like, a pornographic film, I don't 0.63

03:53:24.820 think...

03:53:25.460 I mean, you know, like, the pizza guy knocks on the door, I mean, that's also not...

03:53:31.440 He's not actually a pizza guy, and she's not actually in her house, and it's...

03:53:36.820 I mean, it's cinema, right? 0.98

03:53:39.480 So I don't really have objections if a woman fakes an orgasm for porn, like, in porn. 0.99

03:53:46.060 I was thinking of it from the lens of, like, a relationship, but that's not what you're

03:53:49.140 talking about.

03:53:50.820 But what I'm speaking about is, like, let's say a woman makes an affirmative claim, like, 0.87

03:53:55.460 I...

03:53:56.820 You're talking to me, and, like, in so doing, she's, like, inducing these men, oh, I'm

03:54:02.100 actually talking to her, not some, like, Filipino man in the Philippines being paid $10 a day

03:54:08.140 to, like, type, type, type, type, you know, whatever.

03:54:10.040 And so if, like, she's charging people for the conversations or whatever, charging for

03:54:16.380 the chats, and you're, like, if a company says, hey, you can talk to X celebrity, and

03:54:25.880 somebody pays knowing that they're, like, actually...

03:54:28.560 Oh, I'm actually talking to...

03:54:29.920 I don't know if this is actually a service, like, I don't know.

03:54:33.840 What if...

03:54:34.200 Like, you guys know Cameo, that app?

03:54:36.200 Like, celebrity...

03:54:37.100 That's on video, so they obviously can't fake that, but let's say there's, like, a voice

03:54:40.520 thing or whatever, and, like, they...

03:54:42.560 You can buy a voice recording from your favorite celebrity, but then you find out that they

03:54:47.240 hired a, like, a impersonator who does, like, a really good impersonation of the celebrity.

03:54:52.580 I think that would be, like...

03:54:54.320 That would meet the definition of civil fraud.

03:54:57.680 Yeah.

03:54:57.860 And I...

03:54:58.400 I mean, you might think, oh, well, buyer beware, like, you should know better, blah, blah, blah.

03:55:02.140 But I do think, like, if you're making a representation, whether you're in...

03:55:05.920 You have a company, and you're selling, like, nutritional products to people, or you're a sex 0.98

03:55:10.960 worker, I think, like, you should try to make, like, truthful statements that are not, like,

03:55:17.420 misrepresenting and are not fraudulent as in an effort to induce somebody to, like, purchasing

03:55:22.540 your product.

03:55:23.380 Yeah.

03:55:23.760 I definitely strongly sympathize with this.

03:55:26.300 I generally, like, think lying is pretty bad.

03:55:29.080 It's unclear to me to the degree to which men know that what they're doing when they're

03:55:33.360 signing up for OnlyFans.

03:55:34.840 Like, as an example, like, I run my main OnlyFans, and then for a while I decided to hire...

03:55:39.340 To try, experiment with hiring a chatter on my free OnlyFans.

03:55:42.400 And the chatter was terrible.

03:55:43.840 They weren't like me at all.

03:55:45.120 They typed, like, all caps, XOXO, BB, my P, you know, whatever, so horny for you, BB.

03:55:51.340 It was, like, really atrocious, had nothing to do with me, and my income just skyrocketed

03:55:56.420 based off of that.

03:55:57.400 And I was like, oh, these guys, like, have actually no understanding of who I am as a

03:56:00.880 person, and, like, no desire to actually engage with me as a person.

03:56:03.720 And that sort of, like, made me pretty sad about the whole thing, because I kind of

03:56:07.960 thought that men cared more than they do. 0.53

03:56:10.040 But it's possible that maybe I'm just actually filtering for the wrong kind of man when I'm

03:56:13.200 doing that.

03:56:13.720 So, I don't know.

03:56:14.940 Yeah.

03:56:15.200 Anyways, getting back to your notes, Katerina, you said that...

03:56:19.000 I'm sorry, it's Katrina.

03:56:20.360 I told you that.

03:56:21.640 Katrina.

03:56:22.460 Katrina.

03:56:23.080 Thank you.

03:56:23.800 Oh, okay.

03:56:24.520 Sorry.

03:56:24.840 It's okay.

03:56:25.060 Sorry.

03:56:25.820 Yeah.

03:56:27.380 You said, long story short, you have two moms. 0.93

03:56:29.700 Yeah.

03:56:29.940 Um, you've, you said you ran girls and drugs.

03:56:35.940 Yeah.

03:56:38.300 Ran them.

03:56:39.060 What do you mean, ran girls? 0.80

03:56:40.140 You were a pimp?

03:56:41.420 For a little while, I was helping out a friend, and did her makeup, got her calls, and, you

03:56:47.320 know, like, it was really hard to watch.

03:56:49.200 I wanted to help her, and she, um, and she just could lie, said that she could do it without, 0.88

03:56:56.280 you know, being, using all the time, and, um, and she couldn't, and so it kind of was

03:57:02.720 a backfire on me, um, when I say that, like, sorry, I wasn't expecting you to read my stuff

03:57:10.880 out loud, but, like, I didn't have...

03:57:14.100 Just the pre-show notes?

03:57:15.140 That's all good.

03:57:16.140 Um, but yeah, you asked me, like, some other questions afterwards that I thought would be

03:57:21.060 more, like, those kind of personal things.

03:57:23.660 I just wanted to, like, let you know a little bit of who I was, um, I didn't expect to be

03:57:28.120 put on blast for that, but that's okay.

03:57:30.680 It's okay.

03:57:31.020 You wrote it.

03:57:31.660 I'm not putting you on blast.

03:57:33.020 I'm just...

03:57:33.620 When you say you ran girls... 0.98

03:57:34.400 I know, I thought you were going to use the questions that you asked me.

03:57:36.680 Oh, I have those too, but you included this in your messages.

03:57:39.340 I included that when I was, like, just, like, letting you know personally, like, why, like,

03:57:44.920 who I was, um, and why I thought that I would have...

03:57:47.200 Yeah, no, I'm just curious.

03:57:48.920 Yeah, and, you know, I wouldn't say it was a P-I-M-P or anything like that.

03:57:53.580 I just...

03:57:53.860 Well, what does running girl... 1.00

03:57:54.980 Ran girls, what does that mean? 1.00

03:57:56.920 Like, got them, like, took their, like, got them calls and, uh, took them to their spot,

03:58:03.200 did their makeup, you know, made them...

03:58:04.820 Were the, the women that you were running... 1.00

03:58:06.720 It was just one girl, so I don't know.

03:58:08.800 Well, you said girls, plural.

03:58:10.040 I know, I said girls.

03:58:11.040 There was, there was only one girl.

03:58:12.820 Yeah.

03:58:13.020 Okay, you said girls, but, um...

03:58:15.240 But I just, like, saw how... 0.97

03:58:16.920 Was she a prostitute? 1.00

03:58:17.960 Yes. 0.99

03:58:18.500 Okay, and when you say you ran a prostitute, you were the pimp? 0.98

03:58:21.900 Yeah, for... 0.97

03:58:21.960 I, well, she, I just did her favors and she paid me for it, you know?

03:58:28.040 But you would, would you stay there while she was meeting with her client?

03:58:31.900 Yeah, I waited in the car.

03:58:32.680 Did the client, and did the, did the client ever not pay?

03:58:37.220 No.

03:58:38.260 Okay.

03:58:38.820 What, what would happen if the client didn't pay?

03:58:41.480 Would you, like, go in and have a conversation with them?

03:58:46.380 I mean, like, I'm not, I'm saying that, like, I had an experience where I was involved with

03:58:53.700 trying to help a girl get out of a bad situation, and she said she would partner with me to get,

03:58:59.440 you know, onto a better place, and it didn't work out, and it was...

03:59:03.480 But she was trying to get out of a bad situation by prostituting herself?

03:59:07.040 Well, I mean, like, I'm pretty, like, oh, what do you call it?

03:59:11.860 I'm pretty accustomed to the game, so, like, I said...

03:59:15.760 What do you mean accustomed to the game?

03:59:16.900 Like, I grew up, like, you know... 0.98

03:59:20.360 Were you yourself a prostitute? 1.00

03:59:22.400 No, never.

03:59:23.560 So how, what do you mean when you were accustomed to the game?

03:59:25.540 Just, like...

03:59:25.980 And what is the game?

03:59:26.700 I'm very white, so I don't know what the game is.

03:59:29.440 The game is just, like, the, um...

03:59:32.480 The pimp game?

03:59:34.600 Just the, like, the underworld of, like...

03:59:37.320 Okay.

03:59:37.680 Well, you did say drugs, too, right?

03:59:39.440 Right.

03:59:39.740 When you say running drugs, what does that mean?

03:59:42.380 Like, dealing drugs?

03:59:43.500 Like, selling drugs?

03:59:43.860 No, not like that.

03:59:44.800 Like, knowing the dudes that do and being involved with them and stuff like that.

03:59:48.580 But, like, and I've, like, you know, seen just the bad side of that type of world.

03:59:56.740 And, like, having pity for these women that are... 0.99

04:00:01.740 And, like, women that are, you know, think that that's the only way. 1.00

04:00:05.840 And I know some girls who can do it, like, sober and, like, they're vivacious and they can do that. 1.00

04:00:12.760 But, like, most of the girls that I know are all messed up on drugs. 1.00

04:00:16.340 And it's, uh...

04:00:17.700 And they do it for survival.

04:00:19.460 And, um...

04:00:20.800 It's...

04:00:21.480 It's not, like...

04:00:24.080 It's not...

04:00:25.020 Like, in Amsterdam or other countries, like, it's, uh...

04:00:28.320 Regulated, you know?

04:00:29.320 Like, here it's just, like...

04:00:31.260 So, what drugs were you running?

04:00:33.000 What do you mean?

04:00:34.940 Marijuana?

04:00:35.840 Was it harder drugs?

04:00:37.200 Marijuana.

04:00:38.980 I'm just...

04:00:39.740 You wrote it.

04:00:41.220 I'm just asking about your own disclosure here.

04:00:44.600 Um, okay.

04:00:45.500 You said you're...

04:00:47.040 Okay, I'm not going to go into that.

04:00:48.440 A little, a little, uh, dark.

04:00:50.580 But, uh, okay.

04:00:53.120 You said you don't do OF.

04:00:54.880 You never got paid for sex.

04:00:57.100 Um, 100% no cosmetic surgery.

04:00:59.180 Mm-hmm.

04:01:00.080 You, uh...

04:01:01.740 You say you don't hate everything that we say, but some things are really hot.

04:01:05.680 Yeah, it's hot topics, for sure.

04:01:07.640 Anything, like, in particular, or...

04:01:10.160 Um...

04:01:12.540 Probably just, like, the way that...

04:01:16.960 You try to make, like...

04:01:21.300 Sorry, I just don't think you guys have the tenderness when it comes to what women go through

04:01:26.040 and how they got to where they are most of the time.

04:01:29.180 That's true.

04:01:30.080 I mean, I actually have to kind of concede this point to you. 0.99

04:01:33.240 I am not, in fact, tender enough to drive women to meet with Johns who are then going to fuck them. 0.99

04:01:38.680 I'm going to leave that kind of sort of tenderness up to women like you. 1.00

04:01:44.260 Like I said, um, I was just trying to help and I learned a lesson.

04:01:48.060 Yeah, I mean, I just, I guess I just would never be tender enough to be that helpful.

04:01:54.440 I think that my, um, disclosures, um, had good intentions and my intentions are pure, whether you want to believe so or not.

04:02:06.080 You know, well, then I can just say that too, right?

04:02:08.440 My intentions are pure.

04:02:09.800 What makes them impure other than you don't think they are? 0.99

04:02:12.440 But I can tell you this, I have never driven a woman to try to get her out of trouble to go have a penis put inside of her for money. 0.98

04:02:20.560 I've never done, hang on, I've never done that, but I feel, I feel like that's the least tender thing I could ever do with a woman. 0.98

04:02:28.260 What I do instead is I, uh, I'll argue their worldview and I'll argue their belief and I'll treat them as though they should be heard and their belief should be contended with. 0.96

04:02:37.860 Now that seems to be horrible in modernity because men for some reason, uh, well, not, not men, but women for some reason think that if they're in any way ever questioned and that their view is not completely conceded to and their ass is kissed, that you're an evil doer of nefarious character for some reason.

04:02:54.420 But I got to tell you, I think that the most respectful thing I could do is take what they're actually saying seriously and then contend with what they're actually saying. 1.00

04:03:03.460 Now, if I end up destroying their arguments because they're fucking stupid, uh, that's on them. 0.99

04:03:08.760 But that has nothing to do with us treating women poorly or without tenderness. 1.00

04:03:13.540 It's us treating them like people.

04:03:15.680 I think that it's the most untender thing I've ever heard to be like, Hey, you know, you're in a bad situation.

04:03:22.440 Ah, let's, uh, let's show up at a guy whose appointment I booked for you. 1.00

04:03:26.040 He'll fuck you and give you some money. 1.00

04:03:27.580 That doesn't sound very fucking tender to me. 1.00

04:03:29.480 I got to tell you. 0.95

04:03:30.620 That's fair.

04:03:31.400 Um, like I said, um, it was an experience that taught me a lot and I grew from it and I've like, wish that, you know, there could be some other kinds of ways to be able to protect these girls.

04:03:46.020 And I'm not going to say it's me cause I'm just a woman.

04:03:48.360 Right.

04:03:48.860 Um, but like, at least like in Canada, um, it doesn't have anything to do with you being a woman, but acting in the role, acting in the social role of the pimp probably isn't the best.

04:04:01.380 way to protect women is probably, in fact, I would argue it's perhaps one of the worst ways possible to protect women for all the programs which exist.

04:04:09.200 That's the whole reason why they paid them and paid pimps in the first place though, right?

04:04:13.460 Is because for protection, cause like of what can happen.

04:04:17.800 Yeah. 0.97

04:04:18.100 But what kind of parasite would allow that? 1.00

04:04:20.300 Like how are you going to be so parasitical that you would actually allow strangers to fuck a woman while you took a percentage of it and then say it's on her behalf? 1.00

04:04:28.640 I mean, what kind of parasite? 0.99

04:04:29.920 It didn't go as well as I wanted it to. 1.00

04:04:31.820 To me, a pimp is so parasitical, a literal parasite on society, almost as bad as a prostitute herself. 0.98

04:04:38.920 And so I was like, well, from my view, I think what you're talking about is, is unadulterated evil from my view. 0.99

04:04:48.480 I think that, I think you don't really understand what's really going on in the world here because we're just like, there's nothing.

04:04:55.200 If there's like a market, then like who's paying?

04:04:59.200 It's the men that are paying.

04:05:00.220 Do you think, it's really funny to me when we talk about supply and demand, right?

04:05:07.220 We could make a market out of anything, couldn't we?

04:05:09.520 We could make a market out of murder.

04:05:12.080 We could make a market out of theft.

04:05:13.720 We could.

04:05:14.300 I mean, there could be all sorts of demand for theft, right?

04:05:17.480 And all sorts of suppliers then for theft.

04:05:19.800 But that wouldn't make it right.

04:05:21.220 It wouldn't make it just.

04:05:22.120 It wouldn't make it moral, right?

04:05:23.600 So the thing is, is like, you could have thieving gangs and there's an endless amount of people who want to engage in this activity, right?

04:05:33.520 And tons of supply for the people who want the stolen goods, things like this.

04:05:38.580 It doesn't mean that it's right or it's righteous or it's in any way good.

04:05:42.500 So the thing is, is like, when I hear this, when I hear this idea of, well, you know, there's a supply and a demand issue.

04:05:49.580 Yeah, that's true.

04:05:50.200 But what do you think is easier to control?

04:05:52.280 For example, the few thousand suppliers or the millions of consumers, I would say it's far easier to control the suppliers than it is the consumers, right?

04:06:04.040 Sure.

04:06:04.860 Like, what I don't think that you're understanding from what I'm saying is that, like, we're all just trying to survive out here.

04:06:14.680 And when you learn lessons along the way, you can either choose to, like, continue with the bad or you can, you know, try to be more righteous.

04:06:23.980 I don't think that what I did was right.

04:06:26.820 I just was in the moment.

04:06:29.020 I thought that I was doing the right thing.

04:06:31.120 Yeah, I understand.

04:06:32.360 Final thought, Andrew.

04:06:33.580 Final thought.

04:06:34.220 You have an intention to do what is good.

04:06:36.920 But that doesn't mean it is.

04:06:37.960 And I'm not even beating you up about these decisions.

04:06:41.920 What I'm saying is that making a later justification that I did these bad things based on hardship, right?

04:06:49.300 Because things were hard.

04:06:51.320 It's like, you know, you should read S.E. Hinton's Outsiders.

04:06:54.080 There's a great line in it.

04:06:55.180 It was written by a woman, in fact, when she was 16.

04:06:58.260 Things are rough all over, Ponyboy, right?

04:07:00.380 And what she's saying in this novel is it doesn't matter if you're the South Side Soge, it doesn't matter if you're a greaser.

04:07:07.040 Things are rough all over.

04:07:08.240 You don't get to make immoral actions because things are really hard.

04:07:11.940 Everybody has hardships.

04:07:13.140 So that's all I'm saying.

04:07:16.420 All right.

04:07:16.920 We need to get through a couple of chats.

04:07:18.960 This one came in a while ago.

04:07:20.120 Alex, I do want to apologize for the delay here for getting this pulled up.

04:07:23.460 It came in like two hours ago.

04:07:24.720 I apologize, man.

04:07:26.020 These have been batching up for a while.

04:07:27.540 Looking for five more Molten Core Full Run.

04:07:31.440 Hold on, dude.

04:07:32.040 Let me do you a favor, bro.

04:07:33.400 Lower the volume a bit.

04:07:34.440 Need one tank, three heals, preferably Priest.

04:07:39.160 Can you lower the volume?

04:07:41.960 Here, I'll pull it back up.

04:07:44.680 And then just once it's done, you can pull.

04:07:47.040 Need one tank, three heals, prefer Priest.

04:07:49.040 No melee hunters.

04:07:50.120 Link, Hydraxion, Rep, PSD.

04:07:52.000 Yo, Alex, thanks for the big $100 donation, man.

04:07:54.760 Really appreciate it.

04:07:55.900 Thank you, thank you.

04:07:56.500 And then we have Jason here.

04:07:58.460 Oh, boy.

04:07:59.040 Oh, great, Jason.

04:08:00.820 The fact that none of the women on the panel found Andrew's joke about being autistic funny 0.83

04:08:03.880 is refutable proof that women are not funny. 1.00

04:08:06.660 I know this because I just did a survey.

04:08:10.000 All right.

04:08:10.540 Thank you, Jason.

04:08:11.240 Appreciate it, man.

04:08:12.180 Thank you.

04:08:12.920 We have Chair 3. 0.87

04:08:14.800 Jason says, it sounds like you have horrible parents.

04:08:18.740 Oh, wait, it hasn't even come up yet, and I'm already starting. 0.99

04:08:22.780 Okay, well, it sounds like you have horrible parents. 0.97

04:08:25.780 Maybe that is why you are the way you are. 1.00

04:08:27.760 Damn, what the fuck, Jason? 1.00

04:08:29.040 Do you want to respond to that? 1.00

04:08:30.460 My parents are the best.

04:08:31.880 They're lovely people.

04:08:32.960 I met them.

04:08:33.300 A hundred percent.

04:08:33.760 Just kidding.

04:08:34.240 I didn't meet them.

04:08:34.640 No, they're the best parents ever, and they're going to be the best childhood ever.

04:08:38.740 Yeah.

04:08:40.000 All right.

04:08:40.640 We have Michael Jones here.

04:08:42.920 New rule.

04:08:43.480 Don't respect the opinion of someone whose body count is higher than their IQ.

04:08:47.600 Chair 3.

04:08:48.180 Is speed running her way to an unfulfilled life?

04:08:50.360 Based Andrew.

04:08:50.840 Based Brian.

04:08:51.240 Jesus is Lord.

04:08:53.120 You're speed running.

04:08:55.060 Okay.

04:08:55.420 Do you want to respond?

04:08:57.600 Anybody want to respond to Michael Jones?

04:09:00.360 I love when people tell me how I should feel.

04:09:04.940 All right.

04:09:05.700 Thank you, Michael.

04:09:06.660 Chair 4.

04:09:07.300 If your daughter told you she wanted to do OF, you as her mother should stop her at all costs. 0.87

04:09:11.840 The fact that you would support her makes you a horrible mother. 0.66

04:09:13.860 You shouldn't be able, you shouldn't be a mother. 1.00

04:09:16.080 Do you want to respond to that? 1.00

04:09:17.740 Damn, Jason. 1.00

04:09:18.700 You're entitled to your shitty opinion. 1.00

04:09:21.660 Yeah, do you want to answer just his question, though? 0.99

04:09:23.500 What's the question?

04:09:26.320 Well, I forgot.

04:09:27.260 Did I already ask this?

04:09:28.280 You did ask this.

04:09:28.900 Like, if your daughter wanted to do OF?

04:09:30.180 She doesn't want to, though.

04:09:31.040 If you wanted to, when you supported that, would that make you a horrible mother, is his question, essentially.

04:09:34.300 It doesn't make you a horrible mother.

04:09:35.580 No, no.

04:09:35.600 I don't know.

04:09:36.300 No, I am an excellent mother, actually.

04:09:37.860 Would you be fine with her starring in OF?

04:09:39.980 Absolutely.

04:09:40.500 She's an adult.

04:09:41.360 Okay.

04:09:42.920 All right.

04:09:44.620 That's a take.

04:09:46.060 Jason Cassell, correction.

04:09:47.140 The fact that none of the women on the panel found Andrew's joke about being autistic funny is irrefutable.

04:09:52.060 You just read that one.

04:09:53.940 No, he sent in a correction. 0.89

04:09:55.120 Proof that women are not funny. 1.00

04:09:56.560 Yeah.

04:09:57.140 It just took me so long to get it.

04:09:59.080 He sent.

04:09:59.760 Jason, sorry for the delay, man.

04:10:02.360 Sorry for the delay. 0.89

04:10:03.900 Proof that women are not funny. 1.00

04:10:05.140 I know this because I just did a survey. 0.69

04:10:07.040 I think women are funny. 1.00

04:10:09.160 They crack me up all the time on the show.

04:10:14.340 All right.

04:10:14.800 Never mind.

04:10:15.320 Good talking.

04:10:15.920 Tough crowd, tough crowd.

04:10:18.600 Tough crowd, tough crowd. 1.00

04:10:19.380 Quick, Brian, make a vagina joke. 1.00

04:10:20.560 They'll laugh. 1.00

04:10:21.420 Do it.

04:10:24.440 What?

04:10:25.120 Do I? 0.99

04:10:25.600 I'm actually thinking if I have a vagina joke. 1.00

04:10:27.360 Probably not. 0.98

04:10:28.020 See? 0.98

04:10:28.660 Mentioned vagina joke. 1.00

04:10:29.820 Already laughing. 0.98

04:10:31.020 Already hilarious.

04:10:32.920 All right.

04:10:33.720 Let's see here.

04:10:34.440 Oh, I got to do a couple shout outs here really quick.

04:10:37.500 Let's do.

04:10:37.980 Oh, man.

04:10:38.580 We got some.

04:10:39.060 I'm trying to move this quick, guys.

04:10:41.460 Guys, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod, if you want 100% of your contribution to go to the

04:10:46.380 podcast, we do have Colin, thank you for the 50.

04:10:50.360 Joshua Burden, thank you for the 10.

04:10:52.020 Thank you so much.

04:10:52.820 You sent that via Cash App.

04:10:55.140 And then we have Eric, I think your husband.

04:10:59.100 Can I say his last name?

04:11:00.060 You have the same last name.

04:11:01.320 Eric Horb.

04:11:03.200 It's Horbatch.

04:11:04.620 Horbatch.

04:11:05.860 Horbatch.

04:11:06.400 Okay.

04:11:07.720 $20.

04:11:08.460 Imagine Debating the Gossip Column and Celebrating Your Win.

04:11:11.840 Scared Catface.

04:11:12.940 That's basically the show.

04:11:14.060 Hold on.

04:11:14.400 Hold on, Eric.

04:11:16.200 You know what?

04:11:17.540 Listen, I know it's been a little contentious tonight.

04:11:19.860 I was trying to be nice, okay?

04:11:22.460 It started off great.

04:11:24.180 I was.

04:11:24.500 Yeah.

04:11:25.060 That was nice.

04:11:26.020 Yeah, you were.

04:11:27.100 No, you were.

04:11:28.100 That was nice.

04:11:28.400 What's wrong with debating the gossip column if the gossip's about you?

04:11:33.380 Yeah.

04:11:34.200 Fair.

04:11:36.080 We should have.

04:11:37.240 I don't know if you're down.

04:11:39.020 You want to have you and your husband? 1.00

04:11:41.600 Like a come on the show?

04:11:44.360 Lily, get your mind out of the gutter. 1.00

04:11:46.940 I'm taking things.

04:11:48.460 You want to have you, your husband, and then we'll just ask him.

04:11:51.220 I would have to.

04:11:52.540 Yeah, yeah.

04:11:53.080 I can answer for him, yeah.

04:11:54.360 I'm going to DM you back on Cash App or whatever you said that to.

04:11:57.620 We'll get him on.

04:11:58.440 But wait, Ryan.

04:11:59.400 Then that would destroy the narrative that you only have a woman on the show. 1.00

04:12:02.200 No, I think it would be really interesting, though, because like I think some of the narrative

04:12:06.100 when it comes to like women who are involved in like sex work, is it like it's going to 1.00

04:12:10.380 have like really negative impacts on your relationships.

04:12:12.840 But like here you are.

04:12:14.060 Granted, you met him before you started.

04:12:15.300 But like here you are, you've been married, you have kids.

04:12:19.460 From the sound of it, I mean, you guys have been together a really long time.

04:12:23.260 Maybe there's like a little bit of issues early on.

04:12:26.260 But like you guys are together.

04:12:30.260 This handsome guy, by the way.

04:12:31.960 Yeah.

04:12:32.200 Oh, God.

04:12:32.680 Yeah.

04:12:33.700 Sorry, that was not the chat to me for the day.

04:12:36.640 Not helping your case.

04:12:37.740 No, he seems like a good guy.

04:12:38.940 He seems like a good guy.

04:12:39.860 I think it'd be an interesting conversation to have if you want to run it by him.

04:12:43.860 That could be cool.

04:12:45.540 Because like I said, we, here you are, I guess, defying, I don't know if you would consider

04:12:51.080 defying the odds, but a lot of, I think it's the case that maybe, maybe not a lot, but a

04:12:55.240 lot of women in the industry sometimes struggle when it comes to dating, especially like maybe 1.00

04:12:59.920 while they're in it, but even afterwards they can struggle a little bit.

04:13:04.300 But I don't know.

04:13:04.920 Yeah, I think that's a fair point.

04:13:06.820 So that could be an interesting conversation.

04:13:08.520 Also, Andrew wants to have a 1v1 with Ayla and Candace.

04:13:15.140 Well.

04:13:16.680 For what?

04:13:17.420 Not a shoot.

04:13:18.280 Not a shoot.

04:13:19.560 He wants to have like a debate.

04:13:22.200 If you're down.

04:13:24.000 I do not like his debate norms because I don't trust him to be truth finding.

04:13:27.640 Seems more like horror.

04:13:28.860 But I'm down for truth finding.

04:13:30.300 Oh, really?

04:13:31.120 Yeah.

04:13:31.480 Oh, no.

04:13:32.140 Okay.

04:13:32.360 Just give me a descriptor for what truth is.

04:13:34.440 Oh, no.

04:13:34.760 Is truth subjective or objective?

04:13:36.860 Uh-oh.

04:13:37.120 That's a great example.

04:13:38.520 Yeah, that great example of what?

04:13:41.440 Of your debate norms.

04:13:43.540 Yeah, of us clarifying debate norms.

04:13:46.620 Yeah.

04:13:47.220 I think I'm mostly interested in finding out what's going on instead of like trying to do public battle.

04:13:54.820 I think you relate to debate as public battle, which makes sense to do.

04:13:58.300 Sometimes.

04:13:59.020 It depends.

04:13:59.640 But I don't think I really have that.

04:14:00.980 If you're looking for just pure fact finding or fact versus fact, I'm happy to do those

04:14:04.800 too.

04:14:05.080 You can do what's called formal or time debate where you can match facts against facts.

04:14:09.160 I just think your facts are wrong.

04:14:10.820 And I can demonstrate that via debate.

04:14:13.060 If you prefer a less adversarial form of debate, then we would do a formal debate, which would

04:14:17.240 be time.

04:14:17.400 I would like to know if I'm wrong.

04:14:18.140 You could put your facts up, and then I could debunk them all.

04:14:22.220 I would like to know if I'm wrong.

04:14:23.860 I would hope that you'd like to know if you're wrong.

04:14:25.620 And then maybe we can help each other figure out.

04:14:27.600 You're never wrong.

04:14:28.400 I'm a man.

04:14:29.160 What's wrong with you?

04:14:29.680 Oh, yeah.

04:14:30.160 I promise.

04:14:30.280 Never wrong.

04:14:31.140 Never wrong.

04:14:31.380 Sorry, sir.

04:14:32.620 I'm wrong all the time.

04:14:34.280 But in this case, your empirical data is really not good.

04:14:39.100 And I would enjoy actually doing a debate on the empirical data that you put out as though

04:14:43.980 it's actually good data.

04:14:45.640 It's not good data.

04:14:47.200 Well, we can have further conversations and see if that can be arranged.

04:14:51.000 But a couple things.

04:14:53.040 Did you ever hear back from Special Forces?

04:14:54.980 I'm working on it.

04:14:55.820 I got a couple of responses.

04:14:56.860 Oh, my goodness.

04:14:58.580 How many people are slandering me?

04:15:00.820 A lot.

04:15:01.660 Do you go on the internet?

04:15:02.460 Do your due diligence.

04:15:04.580 Any responses, though?

04:15:05.840 Special Forces guy?

04:15:07.200 Any receipts?

04:15:09.280 Yeah.

04:15:09.580 Now it's going around in circles.

04:15:12.800 What do you mean, going around in circles?

04:15:14.040 I'm not getting a solid answer.

04:15:16.360 What do you mean, not a solid answer?

04:15:17.960 Not a solid answer.

04:15:19.000 So can you tell me the name of the person that made this claim?

04:15:23.460 And then he said a name.

04:15:25.900 And I was like, well, is that the person that showed up?

04:15:27.700 Or you got the information?

04:15:28.860 Like, is this now like three degrees away?

04:15:31.040 Like sister of a sister of a sister.

04:15:32.140 Instead of like what you said, which was one degree away.

04:15:35.780 And then that's what I was.

04:15:36.960 And then all of a sudden, when we do our due diligence, look at what happens.

04:15:40.840 Suddenly with due diligence, the whole thing makes no sense.

04:15:44.160 Andrew, don't punish behavior that you want repeated.

04:15:47.100 I'm openly trying to see if I'm wrong and willing to admit that and concede and apologize.

04:15:54.440 So I don't need to be like it rubbed in.

04:15:56.240 Well, I mean, we've been high on the concession, but short on the apology.

04:16:00.000 Because I'm trying to get answers.

04:16:01.600 You're the one that's like, that's harping on due diligence.

04:16:04.280 I'm trying to get details.

04:16:05.960 How much more verification do you need then?

04:16:08.200 Brian says, not only is this factually untrue.

04:16:10.040 Brian says, not only is this factually untrue, but on top of it being factually untrue, you

04:16:14.540 actually don't have a leg to stand on to even make the claims.

04:16:17.420 It's secondhand information.

04:16:18.660 You say, I'll verify the claim.

04:16:19.900 And then you go, well, they're kind of giving me the runaround.

04:16:22.400 It's like, it just seems like it's a concession without the portion that matters, which is

04:16:28.480 the accountability of policy.

04:16:29.660 I was asking clarifying questions.

04:16:32.160 Because he said a name, and I'm not going to throw the wrong name under the bus.

04:16:35.440 So that's what I was saying.

04:16:36.360 I got one name, and I said, did this person, is he the one making the claim that he got

04:16:41.440 rejected?

04:16:42.180 Or are you saying you got the story from him?

04:16:44.520 Because I'm not going to say, oh, Bob is the one that came here. 1.00

04:16:47.440 And you're like, fuck Bob. 1.00

04:16:47.640 It's the guy who killed Osama, right? 1.00

04:16:49.500 Is it that guy?

04:16:50.360 Right.

04:16:50.680 Yeah, exactly.

04:16:51.720 No.

04:16:52.280 I'll have him on the pod.

04:16:53.320 I don't want to throw the wrong person under the bus.

04:16:54.620 Like, ladies, would you date the guy who killed Osama bin Laden?

04:16:56.740 No, it wasn't him. 1.00

04:16:57.720 Because he got a big cock. 1.00

04:16:58.480 It wasn't him. 1.00

04:16:59.040 Because he got a big cock. 1.00

04:17:00.300 No, no, it was not him. 1.00

04:17:01.760 Lily.

04:17:02.160 Sorry, that was a chart.

04:17:02.960 Get your mind out of the gutter. 1.00

04:17:04.320 Damn, Lily. 1.00

04:17:06.220 You got it. 1.00

04:17:06.880 Tell you what.

04:17:07.340 Tell you what.

04:17:07.840 How about maybe we can make a bargain so we can just move past this, right?

04:17:11.100 That'd be great.

04:17:11.840 If you are willing to apologize to Brian, right?

04:17:15.480 Hang on.

04:17:16.080 Apologize to him for the obvious slander, which was here without you doing your due diligence.

04:17:20.800 But it turns out you are actually right.

04:17:23.860 Okay?

04:17:24.180 You're actually correct.

04:17:25.300 Then I will apologize to you.

04:17:27.480 And you won't even have to ask.

04:17:28.460 I'll just, I'll literally just put out a public apology.

04:17:30.600 Also, I want to add.

04:17:32.560 God, Andrew has never apologized to a woman ever in the history of.

04:17:38.960 That's how absolutely sure I am. 0.79

04:17:41.260 You will get his first, you will take his apology to a woman virginity. 1.00

04:17:45.800 Yeah. 0.98

04:17:46.540 It's not something that I want.

04:17:48.680 It's not something that I want.

04:17:49.880 You want, trust me.

04:17:50.480 Do I do want?

04:17:51.520 Yeah. 1.00

04:17:51.920 Like, you can put this shit on your resume. 0.99

04:17:54.820 So even then, even then, with this concern, you still will apologize, actually. 0.99

04:17:58.560 Wait, should we get the, do you want to do the bow?

04:18:02.080 Are you going to do the bow?

04:18:03.100 I'll do the bow.

04:18:03.600 Can we play the bow video really quick?

04:18:05.100 I feel like it's important at this point.

04:18:07.740 Yeah.

04:18:07.980 But the apologies, actually, I feel like, like tenfold more painful, right?

04:18:15.100 Because she just clearly does not want to apologize.

04:18:18.380 No, that's not at all.

04:18:19.880 She just doesn't want to.

04:18:20.620 No, that's not at all.

04:18:21.940 You're absolutely putting words in my mouth.

04:18:23.940 Again, I didn't want to throw the wrong name under and say, oh, that was the person that

04:18:26.940 came.

04:18:27.400 Brian.

04:18:28.420 Huh?

04:18:28.820 Oh.

04:18:29.440 I'm so sorry that I didn't do my due diligence.

04:18:33.720 And I just took the gossip train and then made a video that got a lot of views and misrepresented

04:18:39.940 you.

04:18:40.220 Wait, it got a lot of views?

04:18:41.260 It got a lot of views? 1.00

04:18:42.440 What the fuck? 1.00

04:18:42.820 That misrepresented you and your show. 1.00

04:18:45.880 Oh, my God.

04:18:46.280 And I should have contacted you before making such a claim because that is my responsibility.

04:18:50.800 How many views did you get?

04:18:51.500 Too many.

04:18:51.860 He forgives you if he's touched.

04:18:53.300 Oh, okay.

04:18:53.680 Before I hit upload.

04:18:56.380 And I'm so sorry, Andrew, that my Indian editor put your name in there.

04:19:01.020 Hold on.

04:19:01.420 In the title.

04:19:02.400 Let's not bring Indians into this. 1.00

04:19:04.060 Because I didn't know that was going to happen.

04:19:06.180 Wait.

04:19:06.280 Is he Native American?

04:19:06.980 No, like Indian from India. 1.00

04:19:09.560 I got a guy in Mexico.

04:19:10.560 You mean the guy who put my name in the title for the clip?

04:19:12.760 For the clip.

04:19:13.940 Yes.

04:19:14.120 My editor is a Mexican, so I'll get you a Mexican editor. 1.00

04:19:20.440 I'm honored with that.

04:19:21.040 They're the best.

04:19:21.660 What's up, Christian? 0.96

04:19:22.440 But next time, I will reach out to the other person to get the other side.

04:19:26.700 You've got to verify.

04:19:27.080 And I actually am sorry.

04:19:29.000 Trust but verify.

04:19:30.040 Yes.

04:19:30.120 Yeah.

04:19:30.420 I accept your apology on condition that you hit a bow.

04:19:35.840 Pull up.

04:19:36.800 Damien, pull that up.

04:19:38.480 So this is a little background.

04:19:40.180 This is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend.

04:19:44.100 I came home.

04:19:44.960 It was late.

04:19:45.900 1 a.m.

04:19:46.760 After a podcast.

04:19:49.120 And this is my ex-girlfriend.

04:19:51.420 I will just play.

04:19:52.460 Okay.

04:19:52.660 Just play the clip.

04:19:53.440 It's.

04:19:53.660 Yeah.

04:19:55.600 Boom.

04:19:56.120 Do you see the bow?

04:19:57.040 Deep bow.

04:19:57.660 That was a 45 degree angle.

04:19:59.140 Okay.

04:19:59.780 And then, you know. 0.96

04:20:00.780 Did you just kick her in your socks? 1.00

04:20:02.940 Shoes. 0.98

04:20:03.700 My shoes.

04:20:05.340 And then, you know, she's doing my laundry. 1.00

04:20:07.840 You know, I'm hungry after the show.

04:20:10.500 Voracious appetite.

04:20:11.840 So she made me some.

04:20:13.000 She gets my beer, too.

04:20:14.160 She opened it up.

04:20:15.320 The dinner's ready.

04:20:16.460 I had to scold her about those tomatoes that are just tomatoes, but stirring the noodles. 0.99

04:20:23.280 And, yeah, play the bow one more time.

04:20:25.500 Play the bow.

04:20:26.260 One more time.

04:20:27.040 Let's just see the bow.

04:20:29.200 Boom.

04:20:29.700 Huge bow.

04:20:30.300 Yeah.

04:20:30.400 She did all that, and you still broke up with her?

04:20:33.380 I, yes.

04:20:34.440 I dumped her. 0.92

04:20:35.680 I dumped her because one time she didn't bow.

04:20:39.520 Oh, my God.

04:20:40.220 She got dumped.

04:20:40.940 It's a high bar.

04:20:42.020 It's a really high bar.

04:20:42.680 Don't slip up.

04:20:43.580 I have high standards, okay?

04:20:46.300 Very, I'm high maintenance.

04:20:47.560 Yeah.

04:20:48.080 Very high maintenance.

04:20:49.240 So I think it would be appropriate for a little bow if you wanted to just stand up.

04:20:55.260 Yeah.

04:20:55.580 In fact, every woman, if you also want to hit a bow, I will accept a bow. 1.00

04:20:59.400 Okay.

04:20:59.820 Okay?

04:21:00.000 Are you taking it in?

04:21:01.200 You have to look it in the eyes.

04:21:01.960 You want me to look you in the eyes?

04:21:03.100 Yeah, yeah.

04:21:03.480 Look you deep in the eyes while you bow to me.

04:21:04.980 This is an intimate moment.

04:21:05.580 Are you going to hold the eye contact?

04:21:07.280 This is a really vulnerable moment.

04:21:08.540 Not once I go down, right?

04:21:10.060 Then that's going to be...

04:21:10.540 Whoa, whoa, hold on.

04:21:11.740 You're married, okay?

04:21:12.600 Calm down.

04:21:13.640 Is this like the Karate Kid?

04:21:17.060 Like, eyes, always look eyes.

04:21:20.400 Well, yeah.

04:21:21.100 Right?

04:21:22.080 I'm getting music.

04:21:23.240 The Karate Kid from the 80s, though.

04:21:25.040 Okay.

04:21:25.440 You're ready?

04:21:25.540 Not the reboot.

04:21:27.140 Okay, I'm ready.

04:21:27.660 Dang it.

04:21:28.260 I'm...

04:21:28.820 Okay.

04:21:31.400 That was...

04:21:32.000 That was good.

04:21:32.860 Thank you.

04:21:33.700 Thank you.

04:21:33.980 It was okay.

04:21:34.620 Okay.

04:21:35.120 I give it a B minus.

04:21:36.260 Okay.

04:21:36.720 I'll take a B minus.

04:21:37.620 It passes still.

04:21:38.440 It's still a pass.

04:21:39.720 All right.

04:21:42.360 What's up, Eric?

04:21:43.060 You should bow.

04:21:45.680 You know what?

04:21:46.160 Go home.

04:21:47.060 Drop...

04:21:47.440 Hit a bow to Eric.

04:21:48.960 I think you'll do...

04:21:50.920 Just apologize to all men, honestly.

04:21:52.920 Every day.

04:21:53.520 Yeah, every day.

04:21:54.620 You didn't even do anything wrong.

04:21:56.440 Like...

04:21:56.720 On behalf of women.

04:21:57.960 Eric, I'm sorry.

04:21:58.940 I'm so sorry.

04:21:59.780 I'm so sorry.

04:22:00.420 I know I did something, or I'm going to do something, so I'll just...

04:22:04.200 As a prophylactic, really.

04:22:06.220 There you go.

04:22:06.880 Yeah.

04:22:07.240 There you go.

04:22:07.680 Also, props.

04:22:08.600 Admitting error is super cool and often hard to do, so...

04:22:11.400 Thanks.

04:22:12.660 Yeah.

04:22:12.800 I think that's neat.

04:22:13.960 Okay.

04:22:14.540 So, we have Eamon Yamon.

04:22:17.880 Old chick in the red dress is the unfortunate example of... 1.00

04:22:20.140 Damn, bro. 1.00

04:22:20.660 You guys are mean. 1.00

04:22:21.380 Come on, man. 0.99

04:22:23.340 Example of Protestantism's tendency towards generating delusional weirdos. 0.73

04:22:28.360 Do you want to respond? 0.75

04:22:29.800 Oh, it doesn't deserve a response.

04:22:31.040 I mean, there's a couple different women in red. 1.00

04:22:33.020 It was me.

04:22:34.020 Also, I'm 43.

04:22:35.240 I'm the old chick.

04:22:38.260 Okay.

04:22:38.700 Yeah.

04:22:39.140 Do you want...

04:22:39.700 No, I don't care.

04:22:42.560 Oh, okay.

04:22:43.240 All right.

04:22:43.560 Well, Eamon, thank you for the soup chat.

04:22:45.600 Do appreciate it.

04:22:46.780 Guys, if you want, you can get a read in at 100, TTS 200, and then you can also drop a not...

04:22:53.220 They don't take a Venmo cash out, whatever pod.

04:22:55.840 Let's just go to Stifler here.

04:22:57.200 Stifler asks everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10.

04:23:00.140 You cannot pick seven.

04:23:01.360 Rate your own looks on a scale of 1 to 10, starting with Ayla.

04:23:04.780 4.6.

04:23:05.480 4.6.

04:23:07.740 Is there anything past the six, like a 3-3-3, like repeating, of course?

04:23:13.060 No.

04:23:13.500 I mean, probably, but I don't know the number.

04:23:15.260 You don't?

04:23:15.520 Okay.

04:23:17.200 Candice, what about you?

04:23:18.180 Oh, my gosh.

04:23:18.940 I don't want to participate in this game.

04:23:20.740 There's no winning.

04:23:21.280 It's not a game.

04:23:21.860 There's no winning this answer.

04:23:23.320 There is definitely winning.

04:23:24.480 You can win.

04:23:25.520 You can win, Candice.

04:23:27.840 You got to give us something.

04:23:28.980 I'm not participating.

04:23:29.820 Throw out a number.

04:23:31.940 So, would that confer then?

04:23:33.400 Because if it's too low.

04:23:34.120 I don't want to say I'm a 3, that means I lost the game.

04:23:38.800 Wait, what was the question?

04:23:39.960 Correct.

04:23:40.640 I'd say I'm a 3.

04:23:41.740 That means I lost the game.

04:23:42.780 Yeah, I guess.

04:23:44.960 Is that what that would mean?

04:23:49.400 Who did I lose to?

04:23:51.520 I guess you're breaking the rule.

04:23:52.820 She's losing to the whatever podcast.

04:23:54.700 Yeah.

04:23:56.580 Yeah.

04:23:57.060 I mean, so this, I think, does require a little bit of clarification.

04:24:02.520 So, I think that a lot of the people who beat up on the whatever podcast about this question, I think it's kind of silly.

04:24:08.380 So, the idea is just, we're just trying to judge delusion, right?

04:24:13.240 So, you would probably say beauty is subjective, this type of thing.

04:24:17.240 Wait.

04:24:17.520 Sure.

04:24:18.120 I have to do this.

04:24:20.080 I'll let you get right back to it.

04:24:21.340 Okay.

04:24:21.680 Yeah, yeah.

04:24:22.040 I need to get the other answers before we get into it.

04:24:24.520 What about you?

04:24:25.960 Can't pick 7.

04:24:26.680 I'll go 6.

04:24:27.540 Okay.

04:24:27.960 What about you?

04:24:28.680 I'm giving myself an 8.

04:24:30.220 8?

04:24:30.480 Especially considering I'm 43.

04:24:33.260 Go ahead.

04:24:34.980 Okay.

04:24:35.800 And you can't pick 7?

04:24:37.080 Yeah.

04:24:37.320 I don't got 6.

04:24:38.600 Okay.

04:24:39.000 What?

04:24:44.700 With or without makeup?

04:24:47.000 Just give a, how about with and without?

04:24:49.080 He's going to bring out the baby wipes soon.

04:24:51.360 I do have one.

04:24:52.340 Okay, I'll take it off.

04:24:55.680 I don't know, tonight I'm feeling myself, so I'll give myself an 8.

04:25:00.140 That's with makeup? 0.86

04:25:01.440 Yeah.

04:25:01.880 And then without makeup?

04:25:02.960 Like a 4.

04:25:04.320 Okay, what about you?

04:25:05.000 I'll say 6.

04:25:07.740 My sister's a 10.

04:25:09.860 Okay.

04:25:10.460 What about you?

04:25:12.020 We can't pick 7, so I guess 8.

04:25:14.840 Okay, I'll give myself a 5.

04:25:16.140 Andrew, what about you?

04:25:16.800 Well, I mean, there's actually some pretty good honesty on this panel, I think.

04:25:23.040 So I'll actually give you the actual rating.

04:25:25.620 I would give myself about a 4, maybe a 5.

04:25:28.340 Yeah.

04:25:28.740 Andrew didn't mean to cut you off there.

04:25:30.400 Yeah, I know I feel.

04:25:31.520 Andrew didn't mean to cut you off there.

04:25:32.860 I just wanted to get the answers from the rest of the panel before we...

04:25:35.480 Well, this is something you see from feminists often. 1.00

04:25:38.900 They want to be very hypercritical of the idea of the rating, right?

04:25:44.540 They're like, well, it's nebulous.

04:25:46.280 It's like, not really.

04:25:47.860 I think people understand it pretty well.

04:25:49.500 Well, what you're asking is, is the self-obsessed, or how do I phrase this right?

04:25:58.260 The self-assessment, is the self-assessment mapping onto reality or isn't it, right?

04:26:04.920 So when you say...

04:26:05.880 I did a survey on this specifically to see how delusional people are.

04:26:08.240 Calm down with your surveys.

04:26:09.980 I know, I know.

04:26:10.760 But calm down.

04:26:11.060 But I know how delusional people are.

04:26:13.720 Yeah, yeah, they are.

04:26:15.060 I mean, it's true, right?

04:26:16.620 Yeah, about like 2.5 points.

04:26:17.700 I mean, it's just like, they often actually will lie and know that they're lying if there's

04:26:23.340 a social group around them which reinforces that lie, right?

04:26:27.140 So if there's no judgment going towards them from the people around them, they'll actually

04:26:30.700 lie often on purpose because it's reinforced.

04:26:33.480 Now, this is notoriously true of women in a room, but not notoriously true of men. 1.00

04:26:38.900 They tend to not really do that because the man next to them will be like, what the fuck 0.99

04:26:42.520 are you talking about? 1.00

04:26:43.200 You're fat. 1.00

04:26:43.780 Or the man next to them will be like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude? 1.00

04:26:46.200 You got half your face is missing. 0.99

04:26:48.120 Or what are you talking about?

04:26:49.100 Your teeth are jacked up, right?

04:26:50.720 They'll instantly look at each other and just beat the holy hell out of each other. 1.00

04:26:54.360 They'll be like, dude, you're full of shit. 1.00

04:26:56.380 And it's obvious you're full of shit. 1.00

04:26:57.860 But for women, they don't actually do that. 1.00

04:27:00.280 They'll actually reinforce things they don't believe themselves.

04:27:02.400 So for instance, let me ask a question to the entire panel just to kind of demonstrate this.

04:27:08.860 Have any of you women, do you agree that when women are around each other, they judge each 0.99

04:27:14.800 other all the time, nonstop?

04:27:16.940 That this happens constantly?

04:27:18.500 That women will judge each other on looks, on outfits, on all sorts of different things, 1.00

04:27:24.680 on which eyelashes are better, which makeup is better?

04:27:27.700 They don't say it out loud, but you're just judging it in your head.

04:27:31.200 Do you agree that women do this? 1.00

04:27:32.580 Do you not do that with everybody?

04:27:34.080 Yeah.

04:27:34.440 I think both men and women do that.

04:27:37.640 I'm not saying that men and women don't do it.

04:27:39.600 I totally have to practice that.

04:27:41.120 So back to the question, do you agree that women do do this? 1.00

04:27:43.980 In a form of comparison?

04:27:45.280 Just like anyone else.

04:27:46.920 Yeah, okay, great.

04:27:47.960 So can we agree then, by a show of hands, that women do this? 0.97

04:27:52.000 Do women judge each other constantly? 1.00

04:27:55.500 Constantly?

04:27:56.200 I don't know about constantly.

04:27:57.740 I try to practice not being judgmental.

04:27:59.520 It's really hard to do, but, you know, it's something to learn.

04:28:02.260 Okay, well, let me ask you a different way.

04:28:03.920 Raise your hand if you've ever sat at a table with women and judged them. 0.97

04:28:08.800 Definitely.

04:28:10.120 Raise your hand.

04:28:11.460 Okay, so that's everybody here, right?

04:28:13.700 Now, raise your hand if you sat down at this table and judged any other women. 1.00

04:28:18.320 And judged the women here.

04:28:19.280 One person.

04:28:20.240 It depends on what you mean by judge.

04:28:21.620 I know, the judgment sounds...

04:28:23.300 Judging their looks, their looks is what I mean.

04:28:25.720 You judge their looks, their makeup, their dress, their this, their that.

04:28:28.820 Anyway, so real quick, I'll ask again.

04:28:30.400 Now that you know what judgment means in this concept...

04:28:32.020 No, I don't.

04:28:33.340 Oh, you don't.

04:28:33.960 Okay, so...

04:28:34.360 No, I just want to clarify.

04:28:35.720 Legitimately, I think...

04:28:36.440 You're judging whether or not their makeup looks good or doesn't look good

04:28:39.900 or if they should have worn a different outfit or should have worn a different outfit, etc.

04:28:43.020 Oh, see, no.

04:28:43.760 I haven't heard of those thoughts.

04:28:44.620 You're making a judgment of beauty standards.

04:28:46.620 No, for me, it would not be a judgment.

04:28:48.420 It would be more comparison.

04:28:50.140 It would not be, oh, they should have worn this.

04:28:51.840 Judgment.

04:28:52.560 No, there's...

04:28:53.620 Yes, it is.

04:28:54.120 You're correct.

04:28:54.600 Comparison is a form of judgment.

04:28:55.940 But what you're talking about is much more harsh of like, ew, oh, like, versus like,

04:29:01.740 oh, did they look nicer than I do or something?

04:29:04.080 Yeah, I like the top.

04:29:04.920 Oh, like...

04:29:05.640 So there's...

04:29:06.260 Sure, sure.

04:29:07.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:29:07.300 That's all I'm saying.

04:29:08.080 There is some nuance to what you're saying.

04:29:09.580 And say that you think, okay, well, then let me ask it that way.

04:29:12.760 Raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought that there was a woman at the table

04:29:16.200 who looked better than you.

04:29:18.980 Okay, great.

04:29:19.960 Raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought there was another woman there who 0.95

04:29:23.280 looked worse than you.

04:29:27.580 So wait a second.

04:29:28.460 And so then how come it was when I asked if you sat down and judged the other women 1.00

04:29:32.420 at the table, none of you showed your fucking hands. 1.00

04:29:35.080 But you have like a trillion thoughts a day. 1.00

04:29:38.220 It's not...

04:29:38.740 I mean, it's that simple every single time, right?

04:29:41.860 No, it's not.

04:29:42.980 Like, judge means a couple of things.

04:29:44.300 Sometimes there's like a sensation of disdain.

04:29:47.360 Now, listen, sometimes there's a sensation of disdain.

04:29:49.920 And this is what people refer to when they say the word judge.

04:29:52.400 And sometimes it means like sort of evaluation, like you're checking your position in the hierarchy.

04:29:56.620 And definitely the latter, but not the former.

04:29:58.460 And I just didn't know which one you were talking about.

04:30:00.800 As well, sometimes I have...

04:30:02.120 Oh, you seem a lot less confused now.

04:30:03.840 Why is it a woman thing, though, anyway? 1.00

04:30:05.740 Men do this constantly, too.

04:30:07.100 So I guess I'm a little confused as to why this is a female thing. 0.97

04:30:09.980 It's not.

04:30:10.200 It's not whether or not it's a woman thing or not. 1.00

04:30:11.260 What's your point, then?

04:30:12.320 Who do you think is your looks match?

04:30:13.740 Hang on, hang on.

04:30:14.320 Chill out.

04:30:14.840 Let me answer one question at a time.

04:30:16.220 Calm down.

04:30:17.220 So I answer hers first, and I'll move to yours. 0.95

04:30:19.320 So I ask this question, right?

04:30:22.360 Raise your hand if you judge women.

04:30:25.180 It's like, well, okay, what do you mean by judgment?

04:30:27.860 I clarified that.

04:30:29.260 And you say, well, not all the time.

04:30:31.020 So then I ask this follow-up question.

04:30:32.840 I ask you, well, raise your hand if you judge the woman at the table.

04:30:39.160 You say, none of you raised your hand.

04:30:40.760 Then I say, well, raise your hand if you sat down at the table and thought that another

04:30:44.380 woman who was there was more attractive than you. 1.00

04:30:46.460 And you all raised your hand.

04:30:47.880 Therefore, all of you are admitting you made a judgment. 1.00

04:30:49.740 So you all fucking lied. 0.99

04:30:50.940 Every one of you. 1.00

04:30:51.380 But I also-

04:30:53.360 Your logic stream isn't very good.

04:30:54.180 Also, on the way here, I had a thought to-

04:30:56.240 Yeah, I think it's fine.

04:30:57.040 I think it's pretty good.

04:30:57.560 It's not, though.

04:30:58.540 It really isn't.

04:30:59.420 Yeah, it is.

04:30:59.960 Would you like me to explain how it's not?

04:31:02.000 I can't wait to hear it.

04:31:03.240 Okay.

04:31:03.560 Well, basically, you said the word judge.

04:31:05.540 And then it was kind of unclear what you meant.

04:31:07.520 And then I would have raised your hand if you had said the thing that you meant.

04:31:10.760 But you didn't.

04:31:11.660 And then-

04:31:12.220 That's pure code.

04:31:13.800 So I did.

04:31:14.280 It isn't.

04:31:14.560 I did actually reiterate what I meant.

04:31:15.880 And I said I was judging based on beauty standards.

04:31:17.920 If you're making an assessment about beauty standards, which you then later admitted you wouldn't.

04:31:20.680 I am very happy to admit-

04:31:21.880 So the thing is, is what you're doing now is an even lower tier form of pedantry.

04:31:26.880 Because you can rewind the tape and see that I specifically, with you, hang on, with you specifically,

04:31:32.600 clarified exactly what I meant.

04:31:34.800 The rest of the panel heard it.

04:31:35.940 And then, that's when I asked the follow-up question.

04:31:38.080 You didn't.

04:31:38.300 You did not clarify.

04:31:40.160 You said words that were not the thing that you asked later.

04:31:42.780 But I was so hyper-specific-

04:31:44.900 You were not hyper-specific.

04:31:45.780 That when I asked the follow-up question, everybody knew what I meant, including you.

04:31:49.960 Yeah.

04:31:50.320 The follow-up question was a great specificity.

04:31:52.320 I really liked the follow-up question.

04:31:53.020 And that's when we found out the two things, didn't we?

04:31:55.480 If you would like to say that checking yourself in that hierarchy is judgment, I'm very happy

04:31:59.140 to agree that I judge people.

04:32:00.800 I'm not fighting over the word.

04:32:02.580 I just really wanted to understand what you meant.

04:32:05.420 Yeah.

04:32:05.600 I don't think you were confused about what I meant.

04:32:07.220 I was.

04:32:07.860 I am reporting that very honestly.

04:32:09.200 We were further able to demonstrate that by me clarifying.

04:32:12.300 And then the second that I did, you answered the question the same exact way as every

04:32:16.580 other woman on the panel.

04:32:18.000 It doesn't seem like-

04:32:18.940 I think you were being dishonest in the way that you were arguing.

04:32:21.680 I'm very happy to admit your point.

04:32:23.580 But it feels like you sort of want to act like I'm being trapped in some sort of verbal

04:32:28.400 corner, which I don't think is really what's happening.

04:32:31.140 But I'm happy to say that I judge things according to your definition.

04:32:34.240 In my world, though, what we call that is cope.

04:32:36.760 And welcome to cope.

04:32:38.240 Because that's what you're doing.

04:32:39.220 You're coping.

04:32:39.820 But it's okay for you to cope.

04:32:41.860 Listen, it's all right for you to cope.

04:32:43.680 It's okay.

04:32:44.460 Yeah.

04:32:44.740 You got-

04:32:45.420 It's true.

04:32:47.020 I logically navigated you through this.

04:32:49.160 I know it's difficult for you to admit, but it is the case.

04:32:52.680 Yeah. 0.99

04:32:52.880 What I'm showing is that I'm demonstrating that all of you fucking lied to me. 0.98

04:32:56.900 And I don't even blame you, right? 0.99

04:32:59.420 Sure.

04:32:59.480 I understand the reason.

04:33:00.160 Let me expand our definition of lying, then sure.

04:33:02.020 I did not.

04:33:02.540 There's a reason why all of you did that.

04:33:05.900 I did not.

04:33:06.360 The reason is, is because it's very easy for women in social circles, if one woman lies 1.00

04:33:12.340 and the rest of them reinforce the lie, for them to continue with the lie, men seem to

04:33:15.960 be more commonly, women seem, or men seem to call out when men are telling lies, right?

04:33:21.900 They go, no, no, no. 1.00

04:33:22.680 That's fucking bullshit. 1.00

04:33:23.500 Like, men would be laughing at each other. 1.00

04:33:25.720 Like, let's say a man was sitting in chair one, which is a panel of men, and the man

04:33:29.680 was like, oh, I'm a 10. 0.99

04:33:30.840 The other dude would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

04:33:32.760 They would start ribbing him immediately. 1.00

04:33:34.860 Doesn't work the same way with women. 1.00

04:33:36.840 No, I agree with you.

04:33:37.760 That's why the answers are so bizarre from our view. 0.99

04:33:40.540 We're like, what the fuck are they talking about? 0.98

04:33:41.820 I agree that women are significantly more, like, responsive to social pressure and much 1.00

04:33:45.760 more likely to lie to each other about their appearance.

04:33:48.360 I think this is true.

04:33:49.560 It's, like, kind of weird because, like, your end goal is something that I don't actually

04:33:53.120 think is that off.

04:33:54.520 It's just, I feel like we...

04:33:55.140 I know, you just want to argue with me to argue.

04:33:56.660 I get it.

04:33:57.660 I don't think I really like arguing for arguing's sake.

04:34:02.020 Well, I mean, that's arguing for argument's sake.

04:34:06.340 Are you, do you know what you're saying?

04:34:07.980 Or do you, are you, like, an argument LLM?

04:34:11.880 What's an LLM?

04:34:13.180 A large language model.

04:34:15.400 What's a large language model?

04:34:17.120 A large language model is, like, a predictive text algorithm, like, trained on specific stuff.

04:34:24.120 I would like to give you props to asking.

04:34:25.920 I think some people would sort of disguise when they don't know things, but I think that

04:34:28.980 was, like, a high integrity move.

04:34:30.500 I never do.

04:34:30.840 I always want to know exactly what I'm talking about before I talk about it, which just proves

04:34:34.320 your previous...

04:34:35.220 But I would like to say that I would like to admit when you are good at things and then

04:34:39.400 also say when I think that you are bad and I think that was a good move and I'm trying

04:34:42.620 to be consistent according to my principles.

04:34:44.700 Great.

04:34:45.300 And consistently, I'm really good at what I do.

04:34:47.560 And this has been proven now to you multiple times.

04:34:49.880 So you got caught in the trap the same way everybody else did for the same reason everybody

04:34:53.800 else did.

04:34:54.380 I did not.

04:34:55.460 Because you lied.

04:34:56.640 And so because you lied, you got caught in the same trap.

04:34:59.640 That's the way it works.

04:35:00.220 I mean, you have an interesting definition of lying, but if we've given your definition

04:35:03.320 of lying, then sure.

04:35:04.740 We can say that we lied.

04:35:05.600 What do you think my definition of lying is?

04:35:07.180 You haven't even asked.

04:35:07.800 Wait, okay.

04:35:08.740 Could I ask what is your definition of lying?

04:35:10.600 Why did you make the claim about whether or not I was lying without you?

04:35:12.980 I had an assumption about what you meant.

04:35:14.280 If I'm not even asking for it before you said that I was.

04:35:17.780 That was probably an error.

04:35:19.680 It probably was.

04:35:20.000 Could you tell me what you mean by lying?

04:35:21.760 It probably was.

04:35:25.760 What's that?

04:35:26.400 Could you tell me what you mean by lying?

04:35:29.040 Yeah, sure.

04:35:29.640 Whatever your definition is.

04:35:30.640 We'll go with that.

04:35:31.060 My definition is like knowing, like having a belief and then saying something contrary

04:35:36.760 to that belief.

04:35:37.820 Oh, perfect.

04:35:38.460 Like intentionally.

04:35:38.920 Yeah, you were lying.

04:35:40.460 That does not describe my internal state.

04:35:43.720 Yeah, no, I think it externally did because what happened was you got clarification on the

04:35:48.240 question.

04:35:48.880 After you got the clarification on the question, you answered the exact same way that everybody

04:35:52.740 else did because previously you were asking.

04:35:54.760 That's how it works.

04:35:55.640 That's a question that everybody understood, including you.

04:35:57.960 You gave a different answer.

04:35:58.860 I did not understand it.

04:36:00.260 You were doing something inconsistent with your internal state.

04:36:03.280 I was not doing anything.

04:36:04.700 I got clarification on a question and then updated my answer.

04:36:08.160 That seems like pretty good norms to me, pretty good communication norms.

04:36:12.220 I mean, to me and most regular people, they would just call that a lie, but okay, fair

04:36:16.580 enough.

04:36:17.300 All right, I have two chats coming in here.

04:36:18.740 We have Jason Cassell, chair four, so you would be okay with your daughter selling herself

04:36:22.240 so a bunch of DGens can get off. 0.63

04:36:24.440 Do you even realize how horrible that is and why that makes you a horrible mother be a better 0.97

04:36:28.440 mother? 0.97

04:36:28.700 You were quick.

04:36:30.940 Do you want to respond?

04:36:32.580 No, I have no response.

04:36:33.460 Into the mic if you can, but no response.

04:36:35.500 No, I have no response.

04:36:36.240 I don't feel the need to validate my motherhood to anyone.

04:36:40.140 Okay.

04:36:41.100 All right.

04:36:41.940 Thank you, Jason.

04:36:43.140 We have Lucas here.

04:36:43.920 The talking point that Andrew only beats up on meek women is patently false.

04:36:47.340 He debated Sank, Ugaran, Piers, Morgan, infamous atheist, Matt, Dillahunty, Dave Smith, destiny,

04:36:55.200 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

04:36:56.260 Yeah, we already established.

04:36:57.080 I did the bow and everything.

04:36:58.480 And again, I didn't know about your other show until you did.

04:37:01.780 We all did the circle intros.

04:37:03.420 So again, I apologize.

04:37:05.900 Oh, yeah.

04:37:06.300 It's all good.

04:37:06.780 Thank you, Lucas.

04:37:07.260 Do appreciate the message.

04:37:08.460 All right.

04:37:09.000 Let's the rating thing really quick.

04:37:12.460 No, I don't think we were there were like tens here, right?

04:37:15.320 No, none of us said ten.

04:37:17.140 Like eights, a couple of eights or something.

04:37:19.100 But okay.

04:37:20.300 And then just one last thing on this.

04:37:24.400 Well, actually, Candace, you kind of like refused to answer it.

04:37:28.220 Right.

04:37:28.400 Because. 1.00

04:37:28.880 Like it's stupid or. 1.00

04:37:29.900 I don't like that. 1.00

04:37:30.900 You can say attractive or unattractive.

04:37:32.820 Right.

04:37:33.160 I'll answer that one.

04:37:34.640 But I think when you do a number.

04:37:36.340 So binary.

04:37:37.540 I would prefer that.

04:37:38.600 And I think Andrew is trying to like, he keeps hinting that I'm a feminist.

04:37:42.440 I'm really not.

04:37:42.920 Like there's, there's not a bucket I'm going to go in.

04:37:45.100 Oh, you know what?

04:37:45.560 That's fair.

04:37:46.080 I'm not going to hint.

04:37:46.880 You are a feminist. 1.00

04:37:47.880 Okay.

04:37:48.280 That's fine.

04:37:48.960 I, I wouldn't.

04:37:50.040 I just didn't want you.

04:37:51.520 I didn't want you to think as being around the bush.

04:37:53.240 No.

04:37:53.620 That's fine.

04:37:53.900 Or trying to make inferences or implications that weren't there.

04:37:56.440 I'll just.

04:37:57.380 I'll say it.

04:37:58.200 Got it.

04:37:58.700 You definitely are a feminist. 1.00

04:38:00.180 Okay.

04:38:00.520 Okay.

04:38:00.880 Well, that's.

04:38:01.580 Okay.

04:38:01.940 That's your perspective.

04:38:03.460 Putting a number onto it.

04:38:04.820 You're going to have most women that are going to either. 0.89

04:38:07.780 Like Ayla said, there's going to be a disproportionate amount of people that are delusional

04:38:11.320 and look at themselves like a, a really high number, but then you're going to also have

04:38:14.600 the ones that are like, see it as a trap.

04:38:16.460 So they're going to go, I'm going to be modest and go low so that no one thinks I'm egotistical.

04:38:20.640 Like there's no winning by picking a number essentially.

04:38:23.500 Like either like, oh, she picked a low because she doesn't want us to know that she's a narcissist 0.98

04:38:27.620 or she picked high.

04:38:28.680 Look how delusional she is. 1.00

04:38:29.760 It's just not a game I'm interested in.

04:38:31.140 What if she picked a number that was, you know, if you polled a thousand people was fairly

04:38:35.980 commensurate with what those people polled and what she actually thinks.

04:38:39.320 It could be accurate.

04:38:40.080 And if it was like, what if, what if she thinks she's a six and then a bunch of people, some

04:38:44.240 give her seven, some give her five, a bunch of people give her six. 1.00

04:38:47.540 I don't know if that'd be losing.

04:38:49.000 I mean, if she thinks she's a six and nobody's like, oh, okay.

04:38:52.400 Oh, you're overrating yourself.

04:38:54.880 Like, I don't think we don't like typically like it's when a girl who's clearly not a 10 0.97

04:39:00.340 claims 10.

04:39:02.260 Like, otherwise if like a girl's like ranks herself like one point higher, we don't be like,

04:39:06.300 I don't care.

04:39:06.960 Whatever.

04:39:07.180 Or, well, yeah.

04:39:07.920 And then the, the feminist nod was like, he was like, beauty is saying that I was going

04:39:12.300 to think that beauty is subjective.

04:39:13.540 And to a point, if you're talking about art or something, sure.

04:39:16.220 But I think when you're talking about a person, there's the golden ratio, people are usually

04:39:19.980 attractive or not attractive across the board.

04:39:21.780 And then there's, you know, both ends of the spectrum.

04:39:23.960 That'll be exceptions to that rule.

04:39:25.580 But yes, I think that beauty traditionally is, is objective.

04:39:30.080 So that was just a false.

04:39:31.280 Yeah.

04:39:31.420 I mean, I, I guess the, the reason we asked the question is because I think in the dating

04:39:37.700 marketplace, you need to have a sense of where you stand in it.

04:39:42.100 Like if you have a house and you think it's worth 5 million, you put it on the market, the

04:39:47.700 market says, and this is 1 million, you're not going to sell the house.

04:39:50.120 And I'm not saying that women are houses, it's purely an analogy, but, um, I do think

04:39:56.160 that there is a, a, uh, something going on whereby, uh, I mean, if you look at the woman's

04:40:02.200 Instagram, for example, all her friends are gassing her up in the comments.

04:40:05.520 Oh my God, you're so beautiful.

04:40:06.740 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

04:40:07.780 You're amazing.

04:40:08.740 Slay queen, et cetera.

04:40:10.940 Uh, this woman could be fairly, I'm not saying this to be mean to this hypothetical woman.

04:40:15.540 She could be completely unremarkable, not particularly attractive.

04:40:18.440 She could be just average, right?

04:40:20.120 Um, women tend to gas each other up and there's another component here that I think is really 1.00

04:40:25.360 interesting is that, um, like if I approach a girl and let's say she's just like, obviously 0.61

04:40:32.380 more physically attractive than me, I'm getting instantly rejected.

04:40:36.700 Like I don't, that's with me, huh?

04:40:40.720 Not with me.

04:40:41.860 Not with me.

04:40:43.020 Okay.

04:40:43.660 Lily, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your, get your,

04:40:47.440 um, but no, if, if a guy steps to a girl who's just like out of his league, uh, and you can

04:40:53.300 consider league looks, but you can consider other things too.

04:40:56.040 And I think it is other things, especially with men.

04:40:57.880 Yeah.

04:40:58.140 Just looks.

04:40:58.880 But if a guy steps to a girl that's out of his league instant, like nothing, he doesn't

04:41:04.680 get a conversation.

04:41:05.380 He doesn't get a date.

04:41:06.280 He doesn't get a kiss.

04:41:07.040 He doesn't get sex.

04:41:08.920 The same isn't really true for women though.

04:41:11.560 If as a woman, you step to a guy who's outside of your league, whether it's on a dating app,

04:41:17.000 you slide into his DMS or at a bar or whatever.

04:41:19.660 And you are in essence, in the same way that men are like enthusiastically wanting to have 0.99

04:41:24.100 sex with you. 0.99

04:41:24.760 If you as a woman make yourself sexually available to a man, they'll take up that opportunity. 1.00

04:41:30.480 Not, not all men will, but they'll take a lot of men will take up an opportunity to 0.60

04:41:34.880 have sex with a woman who's enthusiastic and interested. 0.74

04:41:39.260 So, but they'll get rejected on the back end. 0.99

04:41:41.720 Men get rejected on the front end.

04:41:43.220 Like I say, if I step to like a 10 out of 10, I ain't getting anything from her.

04:41:49.320 Whereas women, if she's maybe average looking, if she steps to a guy who's seven, eight, nine, 1.00

04:41:54.820 she might not, she's not going to get every single good guy who's a seven, eight or nine.

04:41:58.960 She might end up sleeping with, with one or two or three, maybe multiple times.

04:42:04.540 She'll get one, two, three hookups. 1.00

04:42:07.460 Maybe he'll even keep her around in a situation chip for three to six months.

04:42:10.960 She'll never get commitment.

04:42:12.900 Women get rejected on the back end. 1.00

04:42:14.900 And so what ends up happening though is, I mean, if you have these women who are getting 1.00

04:42:20.860 sexual access and they feel like they're so close to getting that relationship with that

04:42:25.220 really attractive guy, oh man.

04:42:27.840 And they just, they keep chasing after him.

04:42:29.720 A couple of things happen.

04:42:30.660 One, they are getting that sexual satisfaction with somebody who's out of their league.

04:42:39.540 How are they going to feel when the guy who's actually willing to give them commitment,

04:42:44.080 they're going to be less attracted to him.

04:42:46.460 The sex is not going to be as exciting or she's not going to be as immersed in the sexual

04:42:52.180 experience.

04:42:52.680 She's going to be thinking about like this other really hot dude or like the 10, 20 other really

04:42:56.800 hot dudes that she had casual sex with that just were unwilling to give her a relationship. 0.94

04:43:01.260 And so what ends up happening, well, a couple of things end up happening. 0.72

04:43:05.120 She has an overestimated sense of her looks because she, oh, okay, I can sleep with a guy 1.00

04:43:08.880 who's an eight or a nine.

04:43:10.480 Ergo, I must be an eight or nine.

04:43:11.880 No, not how it works.

04:43:15.740 The, the, sorry, I'm losing my train of thought here.

04:43:18.780 The W for the woman is commitment. 0.99

04:43:20.240 Like that's your league.

04:43:22.600 The guy who's willing to give you commitment just because a guy's willing to sleep with

04:43:25.820 you one night.

04:43:26.360 If he's a nine, that doesn't make a woman a nine.

04:43:28.700 But so what ends up happening is you got these women, they go out. 0.51

04:43:31.660 It's really easy to get sexual access to men who are more attractive than you.

04:43:34.740 We see this all the time with like famous actors, musicians, athletes.

04:43:37.800 They'll like gladly sleep with like a woman who doesn't match up to them in any regard. 1.00

04:43:43.620 Like an average woman can like, maybe not average, but like they can get with an NFL player. 1.00

04:43:49.560 We have like 19 year old college girl. 1.00

04:43:51.160 Who's like just attractive.

04:43:53.360 We've had them on the show.

04:43:54.540 They've hooked up with NFL players, NBA players.

04:43:57.080 Maybe you guys have your own experiences where you've like been DM'd by like famous musicians

04:44:01.160 or athletes or actors.

04:44:02.640 Some of you live in LA, you know, like these men, like you have access to these men.

04:44:07.020 Are they going to give you commitment?

04:44:08.220 Not necessarily.

04:44:09.040 How are you going to go like date Leonardo DiCaprio and then end up with like a normal dude?

04:44:13.840 Like your brain is totally fried.

04:44:15.680 Like, I don't think in the same way that if you lived in a luxury apartment,

04:44:18.860 and then you're going to go live in the dorm room with three other people and share a bathroom.

04:44:23.180 And it's really hard to like have that certain level of treatment or experience when these

04:44:28.960 women are dating really attractive men and then be like, oh, okay, here's the guy who's 0.73

04:44:32.480 actually willing here.

04:44:33.400 Here's the cohort of men who are actually willing to commit to me.

04:44:36.660 But they don't like, they're not as attractive as the men who are willing to sleep with me.

04:44:40.720 They don't have as much status as these men who are willing to sleep with me.

04:44:44.140 So I do think having a reasonable assessment of your own physical attractiveness would like 0.99

04:44:49.780 indicate, hmm, is it really good idea that I go fuck like this rock star and then I'm 0.99

04:44:54.740 going to be like completely sexually dissatisfied with like Joe Schmo, average guy? 0.99

04:44:58.220 Because like most average women are not attracted to average men.

04:45:02.440 That's my position.

04:45:03.420 Maybe you disagree.

04:45:04.140 I don't know.

04:45:04.520 I assume you've heard women talk about having this experience. 0.69

04:45:07.600 Hmm?

04:45:08.260 You've heard women talk about having this experience? 0.55

04:45:10.180 Like, like when they're trying to date and then they're like, I've had thousands of

04:45:14.280 women who've come on the show and they're like completely average and they're like, oh 1.00

04:45:18.400 yeah, this famous guy's like in my DMs and like I dated XYZ, I dated an NFL player, I

04:45:22.440 dated an NBA player.

04:45:23.460 Yeah.

04:45:23.840 They have that experience.

04:45:25.140 I was just curious about the difficulty finding commitment part.

04:45:28.620 Well, what I'm, what I'm saying is, is like when it comes to female hypergamy is they 0.98

04:45:33.900 can find commitment, but the men, it's like, how often do you hear women say something

04:45:38.380 like, oh, the guy that I like, he doesn't like me.

04:45:41.240 And the guys that like me, I don't like them.

04:45:43.220 Like those are the guys who are willing to give them commitment so they can find commitment.

04:45:47.040 They just don't want it with those guys.

04:45:48.460 They're continuously chasing after these men.

04:45:50.920 And from like 18 to 30, they'll be chasing after these men and like situationship, situationship,

04:45:55.980 one night stand, friends with benefits, boom, boom, boom.

04:45:59.980 I'm not saying this is the case for all women, plenty of women throughout their twenties

04:46:03.120 will be in long-term relationships.

04:46:04.680 But like, this is the experience of a lot of women. 1.00

04:46:07.560 And then ultimately when they're 30, they're like, oh, okay, I'm going to get married now.

04:46:11.100 And then they're just totally dissatisfied with the men who are actually willing to commit 0.91

04:46:14.420 to them because they spent like their twenties fucking these like NFL, NBA players and so 0.97

04:46:19.960 forth. 0.89

04:46:21.000 And I'm using that as an extreme example, but it could just be like the like really attractive

04:46:24.820 guy in your college that all the girls want.

04:46:29.060 Yeah.

04:46:29.420 I think I was just checking if this was like a, like a specific anecdote that you'd have

04:46:33.180 to more like theory, general observation you'd notice over like extrapolating.

04:46:37.580 I mean, this is, this is something that I think is observed in the dating marketplace.

04:46:42.680 I mean, the statistics from the dating app seem to indicate this, that women are overwhelmingly 0.97

04:46:47.700 swiping on like the top 10% of men on dating apps.

04:46:50.540 Yeah, I know.

04:46:51.000 I think this is definitely true.

04:46:51.880 I think I was just curious.

04:46:52.780 I'm like trying to figure out how much of a bubble I'm in basically.

04:46:55.060 So I was just curious, like if the thing was a general thing, like you have access to

04:46:58.540 the same information I have, or if you're like, yeah, I've been talking to this woman 0.98

04:47:01.240 and they're like, wow, I was trying to find a relationship when I'm 30, but I fucked all 0.98

04:47:05.180 these really incredible guys. 0.98

04:47:06.200 And like, why can't I find a man as good as I was fucking? 0.57

04:47:08.760 Well, I mean, do you, do you think that this could be a phenomenon where like once you've 0.94

04:47:12.600 experienced a certain level of, uh, um, treatment or like dated a certain like caliber

04:47:20.000 of guy, it's kind of like hard to be, be like, and maybe you do end up settling with

04:47:27.000 that other guy, but like in the dark recesses of your mind, you're like still like, ah,

04:47:32.800 you still, oh man, this guy was better in like this dimension. 0.99

04:47:35.560 Maybe it's the guy is, he was really generous or he was really good in bed, big dick, whatever 1.00

04:47:40.480 it is. 0.99

04:47:40.860 Like he's really tall, really good looking status.

04:47:43.400 He took me on all these trips.

04:47:44.460 And then you start creating an amalgamation of like all the like most amazing characteristics

04:47:48.360 that like 10 different guys who you dated all have.

04:47:51.020 And you're like, okay, I need that in one dude.

04:47:53.960 Yeah.

04:47:54.440 I think it's a plausible theory.

04:47:56.100 I think there might be some other theories that explain what's going on, but I, I genuinely

04:48:00.640 really don't know which one's the right one.

04:48:02.060 Yeah, sure.

04:48:02.400 I mean, there's all kinds of ways to approach like the dating marketplace and everything

04:48:05.820 that's going on.

04:48:07.040 But like, for example, uh, alternative hypothesis might be like, I, there's a lot of men that

04:48:11.940 I dated, but I sort of like in hindsight feel like I really should not be dating them anymore

04:48:17.660 in a way that's possible.

04:48:18.780 You could argue that I've like downplayed all their good qualities.

04:48:21.520 So maybe we have a psychological phenomenon where we like sort of don't remember how good 1.00

04:48:26.000 people were because we're like, fuck those guys or something. 0.98

04:48:28.620 Um, I don't know if that's actually what's going on. 0.99

04:48:29.960 I'm just giving like something that another theory we could test.

04:48:32.660 Yeah.

04:48:32.760 What can I ask you a question?

04:48:33.700 Like, have you had, like, is there one partner in particular you've had who was like

04:48:38.120 the most amazing in bed?

04:48:39.720 Definitely.

04:48:40.180 And like, what's that?

04:48:41.300 My current one.

04:48:41.880 Definitely.

04:48:42.140 Your current.

04:48:42.420 Oh, your current one.

04:48:43.260 Okay.

04:48:44.120 Um, how about like prior to him, was there a gap where like you had a really amazing

04:48:48.580 sexual experience with a certain guy and then like guys after him like did not sexually

04:48:53.880 satisfy you.

04:48:54.700 And because they didn't like meet, meet to that standard or that caliber of the previous

04:48:59.100 men, you were like sexually dissatisfied. 0.77

04:49:01.300 Uh, to a minor degree.

04:49:03.140 Yes.

04:49:03.700 Okay.

04:49:04.200 I mean, mostly I'm kinky. 0.99

04:49:05.140 So like, I've like had sex with a kinky guy and then I've had sex with vanilla guys. 0.99

04:49:08.220 Like vanilla guys. 0.99

04:49:09.060 Right. 1.00

04:49:09.260 I was like, man, I wish I had sex with a kinky guy. 1.00

04:49:10.600 It's not as fulfilling. 1.00

04:49:11.340 Right.

04:49:11.640 But, but I mean, you do, you did have that experience.

04:49:14.640 Yeah.

04:49:14.760 This is true.

04:49:15.420 Yeah.

04:49:15.640 I think it's plausible.

04:49:16.500 Yeah.

04:49:17.020 Yeah.

04:49:17.200 And then like question, were you, while you were dating these men, maybe not necessarily

04:49:21.580 during sex, were you thinking about like, oh man, this other guy was way better.

04:49:25.380 You're doing comparison.

04:49:26.400 Not really.

04:49:27.600 Uh, and to be honest, I'm abnormal.

04:49:29.240 Like, I don't know if I'm representative possibly.

04:49:31.140 Like I can't, I'll give you a personal anecdote.

04:49:33.600 Yeah.

04:49:33.880 Like I think this can happen to men too.

04:49:35.600 Um, so, um, so, oh my God, I can't believe I'm, uh, Andrew earmuffs.

04:49:42.440 I feel, or I don't know.

04:49:43.820 Nevermind.

04:49:44.140 No, you don't have to do earmuffs.

04:49:45.300 So it's like, okay.

04:49:46.680 In the same way that like women, once you fall on, like you're, you're, you're playing Russian 1.00

04:49:50.660 roulette. 0.99

04:49:51.060 You're like rolling the dice and then you land on like the dick, you know, it doesn't like, 1.00

04:49:56.880 he's just that good in bed, you know, this shit. 1.00

04:50:02.460 Okay. 1.00

04:50:03.720 Any, we got some by ones.

04:50:05.500 Yeah.

04:50:05.680 I feel like, well, I'm by, yeah.

04:50:08.380 Yeah.

04:50:09.680 You what? 1.00

04:50:10.760 Uh, look, all pussy is good, but some pussy is better than other. 1.00

04:50:16.580 Like, I don't know, like a woman who's like multi-orgasmic who can come in like five seconds 1.00

04:50:21.000 and then she can have like multiples and like come like 20 times in a row and it's super easy. 0.96

04:50:25.000 And then you're going to like deal with the girl who like, you need to fucking jackhammer 0.99

04:50:28.460 to like make her come like a quarter of the way to a climax. 0.98

04:50:31.840 It's like, okay, that's kind of like, you've been, you've been accustomed to a woman who can

04:50:35.980 come and then like, that also feels really good, both like physically and psychologically

04:50:39.740 in terms of the psychological stimulation.

04:50:43.220 Um, so it's kind of like once you've, you know, it's like, ah, how do you go back to like

04:50:48.040 the woman who's like mold? 1.00

04:50:49.440 You know, obviously people are more than just like the sexual experience.

04:50:52.680 There's other components to a relationship.

04:50:54.080 Like, do you get along with them?

04:50:55.500 Are they a good person?

04:50:56.620 Uh, are they pleasant?

04:50:57.860 So it's not just the sex, but I'm just like within that realm of like sex, it's hard to 0.99

04:51:03.960 go from like multi-orgasmic fucking crazy. 0.97

04:51:07.360 And then you're going to date the girl who's like, yeah, she doesn't really get that way. 0.97

04:51:11.500 And it's like impossible.

04:51:12.240 It's like super hard to make her come. 1.00

04:51:13.540 It's like, fuck. 1.00

04:51:14.520 Are you having this problem right now? 1.00

04:51:16.380 Oh my God.

04:51:18.220 Okay.

04:51:18.640 Look, I have, yes, I've encountered a woman who's like incredibly, insanely orgasmic. 1.00

04:51:22.640 And then I've also like subsequent to that dated girl who like, she couldn't even make 1.00

04:51:27.280 herself come.

04:51:28.420 Right.

04:51:28.860 Like some women are just, it's hard, really hard for them. 1.00

04:51:32.420 So.

04:51:33.020 But I feel like where a lot of women have this problem. 1.00

04:51:36.640 Just kidding.

04:51:37.440 Just kidding.

04:51:37.720 You know, where a lot of women have this problem where they go from someone that they're, you 1.00

04:51:40.900 know, having great sex with and really into and have this great connection with to like 1.00

04:51:44.800 then going, maybe downgrading and, you know, having a bit of shit sex. 0.99

04:51:48.600 It's because usually they go from, you know, being in a relationship, seeing someone long 1.00

04:51:52.480 term. 0.69

04:51:52.740 Cause I feel like as women, we enjoy sex more with a partner, the more we have sex with 0.99

04:51:58.480 them. 0.97

04:51:58.640 Like it does get a lot better.

04:52:00.120 Yeah.

04:52:00.240 Like they learn.

04:52:01.200 Yeah.

04:52:01.680 Yeah.

04:52:01.900 And so when you go from like seeing someone and being with someone for quite a long, long

04:52:05.800 term thing.

04:52:06.580 And then like, maybe, you know, you're sleeping around a lot and it's like, oh my God, these 1.00

04:52:10.340 fucking guys are fucking shit in bed. 1.00

04:52:12.040 It's not because they're shit in bed or you're, you've got a bad connection with them. 1.00

04:52:15.580 It's because you've spent so much more like time and effort with the person before. 0.99

04:52:20.340 Yeah.

04:52:20.600 Yeah.

04:52:20.720 I agree with you that there's more to like a relationship than strictly just the sex

04:52:24.120 and absolutely sex can improve and you can work on it and it can be better.

04:52:30.000 But I'm just saying, you know.

04:52:33.480 Yeah.

04:52:33.720 I mean, I also feel like a lot of the times with just like one-off things, like they, they

04:52:39.860 don't care about like you. 0.53

04:52:41.440 They just care about themselves.

04:52:43.060 And that's why we want the guys that are committed because they actually don't treat

04:52:46.860 us nice.

04:52:47.340 And they'll learn and they'll take the time to like.

04:52:50.820 100%.

04:52:51.220 Yeah.

04:52:52.160 Word.

04:52:53.260 All right.

04:52:53.900 I got a couple of chats I got to read.

04:52:56.300 Shooter's sheets.

04:52:58.560 Candice is honestly so hot that it makes it worth the ear damage. 1.00

04:53:02.600 Do you want to respond to the, to this Candice?

04:53:04.860 No.

04:53:05.760 No?

04:53:06.280 Okay.

04:53:06.600 We have Lucas.

04:53:09.380 Shooter.

04:53:09.880 Thank you for the message.

04:53:11.500 Shooter.

04:53:11.720 Really appreciate it, man.

04:53:13.820 Lucas.

04:53:15.260 Ayla.

04:53:15.660 You're a bright, Ayla, you're a bright girl, but you're engaging in bad faith pedantry.

04:53:22.260 The quintessential Bill Clinton depends on what the meaning of the word is, is.

04:53:25.700 Do you want to respond super quick to this?

04:53:28.480 I mean, I just want to know what people mean.

04:53:31.300 It's really genuine.

04:53:32.620 Sure.

04:53:33.260 Jason.

04:53:33.500 I think that that's fair to always get clarification on what a person means that the portion where

04:53:40.480 it becomes pedantic is if the person gives you what they mean and then you refuse to accept

04:53:45.260 what they mean.

04:53:46.640 Yeah.

04:53:46.820 That's when it becomes pedantry.

04:53:48.100 If that did happen, that sounds pedantic.

04:53:49.460 We have Jason Cassell, Chair 4.

04:53:51.140 We should care what kind of mother you are to your daughter. 1.00

04:53:53.620 You are on a live podcast. 1.00

04:53:54.760 You told the world that you are okay with your daughter being a prostitute. 1.00

04:53:57.780 I would say that that is evil. 0.99

04:53:59.360 Do you want to respond?

04:54:00.560 That is not what I said.

04:54:01.840 You completely twisted my words.

04:54:03.780 Would you be cool if she was like getting like driven around by her though?

04:54:08.920 No.

04:54:09.440 Sorry.

04:54:09.720 Did I just say that?

04:54:10.500 That was a completely different scenario that she described with addiction problems and

04:54:15.060 things.

04:54:15.320 I would also love to respond to this because as well, like I feel like it affects me because

04:54:19.260 it's also my, as in like my mom supports me when I started OnlyFans.

04:54:24.080 Yeah.

04:54:24.240 Go ahead, Lily.

04:54:25.200 My mom always describes it as like, I can sit there and be totally against it and never

04:54:29.620 speak to you again, you know, never have a relationship with you anymore.

04:54:34.360 But it's like, that would be way more heartbreak than, you know, if she actually supported me in

04:54:38.620 something I enjoy doing and are happy with.

04:54:41.760 Like, would you, she would rather have that than- 0.96

04:54:43.980 I have a question for you.

04:54:45.320 Would you, if you knew before you had started doing OF, knew definitively, like maybe you

04:54:51.900 had a conversation with your parents and your parents said, Lily, if you do this, our relationship

04:54:58.340 is over.

04:54:59.700 We are done.

04:55:01.100 You're out of our lives.

04:55:02.600 We're never going to talk to you again.

04:55:04.260 Would, would you have not done OnlyFans?

04:55:17.000 If this was all before.

04:55:18.940 Before.

04:55:19.520 And they're like, you went to them and you're like, I'm thinking about doing this.

04:55:24.140 I think it's hard because I would not have then experienced what joy this has brung me.

04:55:31.800 So I, I wouldn't have then like known, you know, is this going to actually be the career

04:55:36.160 for me?

04:55:36.600 So maybe it would have, but then again, I also think that if your parents gave you an 0.97

04:55:44.140 ultimatum, it would just make you want to choose the thing that like fucks them off the 0.97

04:55:48.600 most. 0.98

04:55:48.880 Yeah.

04:55:49.040 A hundred percent.

04:55:49.640 If your parents are going like, I will never speak to you again if you do this as a teenage

04:55:53.720 girl at 18, I, of course I would have took it.

04:55:56.640 Why?

04:55:57.160 But so it, it wouldn't, so you would, you would have taken the choice, the choice to just

04:56:03.020 start your OnlyFans knowing the entailment being the relationship with your parents is

04:56:08.740 irreparably damaged.

04:56:10.180 It's over, like for life.

04:56:11.880 Would you still do it?

04:56:13.620 It depends.

04:56:14.420 Cause right now I know, I know the joy this job brings me and so I can't put myself in

04:56:18.520 that headspace that I was when I was 18.

04:56:20.180 How about this?

04:56:21.020 What if, I mean.

04:56:21.760 Wait, that makes, wait, wait a second.

04:56:23.280 That makes no sense.

04:56:24.440 So if it is the case, they don't want you to do OnlyFans and then you're going to do

04:56:30.080 OnlyFans, but then they say they're going to disown you and you're still going to do

04:56:33.960 OnlyFans.

04:56:35.620 Why would it be a problem?

04:56:37.960 Because it's the same result either way, right?

04:56:40.840 Say that again. 0.71

04:56:41.680 Sorry.

04:56:41.940 You were laughing a bit too much.

04:56:43.540 If it is the case that if they give you an ultimatum, you would do OnlyFans, but you're

04:56:49.440 going to do OnlyFans without the ultimatum, then what do they lose?

04:56:53.280 By giving you the ultimatum.

04:56:55.620 I just meant in the sense of like, well, my parents then lose me if they give me this

04:57:01.120 ultimatum.

04:57:02.900 They lose contact with me.

04:57:04.240 So the idea here is if they give you an ultimatum for behavior, that you're not going to talk

04:57:11.360 to them again.

04:57:12.060 So they have to concede to your behavioral standards.

04:57:15.780 I feel like I'm, I think I'm confused with what's going on.

04:57:20.180 So if I have a behavioral standard for a person, if you do X, I don't want to be a part of your,

04:57:26.120 of your life, right?

04:57:27.260 This is bad from my view.

04:57:28.820 Like, I don't know, murder, let's say something like this.

04:57:32.660 If it were the case that I gave them the ultimatum and then they went and did the activity anyway,

04:57:38.740 versus I did not give them the ultimatum and then they still went and did the activity,

04:57:43.320 what the hell do I lose by giving them the ultimatum?

04:57:45.960 It sounds like giving them the ultimatum at least shows them where it is that you stand.

04:57:50.460 You know what I mean?

04:57:51.200 No, because then if you gave me the ultimatum, then we, say like you and my dad, we never,

04:57:55.940 then we never talked again.

04:57:56.980 So then you would never get in contact with me.

04:57:58.300 Well, right, but then that would be you saying the behavioral standards of me, you need to

04:58:04.560 accept versus them saying the ultimate, the behavioral standards I have, you need to accept.

04:58:10.320 So basically you're just usurping behavioral standards from your parents, right?

04:58:14.240 You're saying you need to either concede to my behavior or else.

04:58:18.480 So it's actually you giving the ultimatum.

04:58:21.200 No, but at the end of the day, it's my career, it's my life, it's my job.

04:58:24.780 This is a choice I get to make.

04:58:27.720 It's, you know, it's not done with my parents.

04:58:29.180 It's a choice you get to make, but you're saying if you don't agree with the choice, 0.99

04:58:32.260 get the fuck out of you. 0.99

04:58:33.440 That's definitely... 1.00

04:58:34.160 You can't choose who your children are, right?

04:58:36.340 They turn out, like, if you can pick and choose who your babies are,

04:58:39.840 your job as a parent is to protect them and to love them.

04:58:43.320 And if you could eat me, me, me, me, and me, and pick your perfect child every time...

04:58:45.800 No, no, that's not the job of a parent.

04:58:47.900 I mean, I'm sorry, I think unconditional love is very important.

04:58:51.200 When raising children?

04:58:53.200 No.

04:58:53.960 No, I dispute that this is the job of a parent.

04:58:56.500 I think one aspect of parenting would be to protect your child and to love your child.

04:59:02.440 But love has many facilitations as to what that means.

04:59:07.200 I think that holding standards for behavior is part of love.

04:59:11.780 And I think boundaries is part of love.

04:59:13.740 I think that holding standards for behavior is part of loving somebody.

04:59:19.380 The idea that if you love me, I can do whatever the fuck I want, regardless of your beliefs, 0.97

04:59:25.060 to me, is insane. 0.95

04:59:26.240 That's the opposite of love to me.

04:59:28.320 But I think because my parents loved me so much,

04:59:31.360 they would way rather see me in a job I enjoy than, you know, something I would hate,

04:59:36.160 and it'd make my life miserable, and, you know, it'd make me depressed.

04:59:39.880 They would waver up pageant. 0.92

04:59:42.460 If it's, if it, here's what I mean.

04:59:45.580 I'm thinking in my head, if you were going to do something which was against my standards

04:59:49.820 as my kid, right, for behavior, this is...

04:59:52.120 But my parents never laid down that law.

04:59:54.120 That wasn't my standards.

04:59:54.780 No, I understand.

04:59:55.140 I understand your situation.

04:59:56.740 This may be different.

04:59:57.400 You did kind of make it sound like they did.

05:00:00.340 But anyway, that aside, if it is the case that I'm like,

05:00:03.940 this behavioral standard is unacceptable to me, and they're like, 0.59

05:00:07.000 well, I'm going to do it anyway, and you can either fucking deal with it or not, right? 0.91

05:00:12.580 And it's like, well, yeah, there's an ultimatum, I guess, on my side, 0.95

05:00:15.740 but there's also an ultimatum on theirs, right?

05:00:18.140 So the thing is, is from my view, though, shouldn't a parent kind of hold the line?

05:00:23.480 Shouldn't a parent be like, no, this behavior, nonsense, needs to stop. 1.00

05:00:28.660 Fuck that. 1.00

05:00:29.260 It's damaging to you, it's damaging to society, and I'm not going to indulge in any of it. 1.00

05:00:34.280 Like, how's that not love? 0.99

05:00:36.720 How's it love to just be like, do whatever the fuck you want? 0.98

05:00:39.340 That doesn't sound like love. 0.99

05:00:40.800 The thing is, though, parents are there to guide them,

05:00:43.660 not just absolutely abandon them, you know, and things like that.

05:00:47.100 Well, that's going to be the kid abandoning the parents.

05:00:50.420 No, because if the parents are giving them an ultimatum...

05:00:52.260 The parents are saying, I have a behavioral standard, and the kid is saying,

05:00:54.600 but I'm not going to adhere to it, and unless you do,

05:00:57.660 I'm not going to deal with you anymore, isn't that the kid abandoning the parent?

05:01:02.200 I don't believe so.

05:01:03.820 Well, no, because no one really asks to be born.

05:01:07.580 You know, like, we're all just...

05:01:08.740 That's like, oh, I can just say, well, I didn't ask to be a parent.

05:01:11.740 You know what I mean?

05:01:13.400 But whether you ask for it or not, it is the case you're the parent,

05:01:18.260 and whether you ask to be born or not, it is the case you were born.

05:01:21.320 It just seems to me like the responsibility, putting all the responsibility,

05:01:24.580 especially if you're an adult, on your parents, right?

05:01:27.220 Yeah, it's always the parents' fault.

05:01:28.000 If you want a relationship with me, I'm not going to adhere to your behavioral standards,

05:01:32.360 or else, that's...

05:01:33.980 I mean, how do you not have culpability for this supposed abandonment, right?

05:01:38.040 But the thing is, you're an 18-year-old, you're an adult.

05:01:40.680 Like, your parents can't give you an ultimatum and tell you exactly what to do at that age.

05:01:45.040 Yeah, they can.

05:01:45.880 They can give you an ultimatum for the restrictions of the relationship

05:01:49.300 they're willing to have with you based on behavior, of course.

05:01:51.440 Like, if a parent said, as long as you're out being a serial killer,

05:01:55.040 I'm not going to have anything to do with you.

05:01:56.260 But this is not murder.

05:01:57.500 I'm not saying it's murder.

05:01:58.780 Don't compare it to...

05:01:59.940 Hey, stop, stop. 0.62

05:02:00.820 I'm not saying it's murder.

05:02:02.140 What I am saying is that they have the right to say,

05:02:05.620 if you're engaged in this X behavior, I find abhorrent.

05:02:08.600 I'm using murder because it's easy to understand, right?

05:02:11.820 I'm not going to have anything to do with you.

05:02:13.420 Nobody would blame them.

05:02:14.700 But I think that would make them a bad parent if they just abandoned them like that.

05:02:18.580 I think it makes you a bad kid to give an ultimatum for abandonment.

05:02:22.600 The kid isn't the one giving the ultimatum, though.

05:02:24.880 The kid is, actually.

05:02:26.280 The kid is saying, I'm not going to conform to the behavioral standards.

05:02:29.420 Or I'm not going to conform to your views.

05:02:31.520 Hang on.

05:02:32.020 If you want me in your life, you will concede to my behavioral standards.

05:02:37.220 That is actually an ultimatum.

05:02:38.580 But it's just like a agree to disagree of their views.

05:02:43.880 Like, the kid thinks that's totally fine to do, and the parent doesn't.

05:02:49.200 Right.

05:02:50.060 Right.

05:02:50.400 So the thing is here is if the parent says, this is not right,

05:02:55.340 the problem I have here is that the counterclaim is,

05:02:58.960 well, they don't really love them. 1.00

05:03:00.640 It's like, that seems stupid to me. 0.94

05:03:02.420 It seems like, yes, you could definitely really love a person 0.99

05:03:06.480 and not agree at all with the behavior they're doing.

05:03:08.680 So you'd never talk to your kid again if they did sex work.

05:03:11.720 And refuse to have anything to do with them until the behavior changes.

05:03:14.280 Why is that even bad?

05:03:15.520 So if you had a child and, you know, eight, sorry,

05:03:21.440 I don't know your background or family situation.

05:03:23.540 Go ahead.

05:03:24.140 You can ask the question.

05:03:25.100 Go ahead.

05:03:25.480 And, you know, she turned 80 in and decided that she was going to take this route

05:03:30.800 in life and do only funds.

05:03:32.000 Are you then giving them an ultimatum and saying,

05:03:33.900 I'm not talking to you again if you're going to do this?

05:03:35.920 I think that me saying, you're not conforming to behavioral standards

05:03:38.720 that I find acceptable, and you can either do that

05:03:42.060 and have a relationship with me or not,

05:03:43.700 is the same exact thing they're saying to me.

05:03:46.280 So I think they would be saying the same thing to me

05:03:48.480 that I'm saying to them.

05:03:50.060 So this seems mutual to me.

05:03:52.060 Or like both parties are giving this ultimatum.

05:03:54.380 It's not just you.

05:03:55.260 It's not just them.

05:03:56.080 So if that's the case, yeah, I don't see a problem with that. 0.99

05:03:59.080 If one of my kids said to me, I'm going to go off and be a prostitute, 1.00

05:04:02.440 I'd say, well, here's the thing. 0.99

05:04:04.280 I will always love you.

05:04:05.780 There's nothing I can even do about that if I wanted to, right?

05:04:08.980 I'll still always love my children.

05:04:10.300 But that doesn't mean that I'm ever going to support any of these behaviors,

05:04:14.600 and until these behaviors stop, I'm not going to enable them.

05:04:18.100 So you wouldn't ever talk to your kid or anything like that?

05:04:20.480 Will they be at Christmas dinner?

05:04:22.640 What's that? 1.00

05:04:23.440 So will your gay or prostitute kid be at Christmas dinner? 1.00

05:04:29.020 Mm-mm. 1.00

05:04:30.200 But I personally deem that as like a bad parent

05:04:33.460 if you're just going to abandon your kid.

05:04:35.220 Like a bad kid, because the kid...

05:04:37.940 Not really, because they're not doing anything wrong.

05:04:40.140 Doing sex work isn't inherently wrong.

05:04:42.980 What is the parent doing wrong, then, by this metric?

05:04:45.960 What are they doing that's wrong?

05:04:48.820 Abandoning their child.

05:04:50.220 That's not abandonment of a child.

05:04:51.500 Yes, it is.

05:04:52.020 If you're not talking to them anymore, you won't see them.

05:04:54.280 It's abandonment.

05:04:55.820 If you're 18 years old...

05:04:56.840 Okay, well, cutting off a relationship, whatever you want to call it. 1.00

05:04:59.240 If you're 18 years old, how the fuck are you abandoning a child? 0.99

05:05:02.220 Okay, well, you're cutting off all relationships, then. 0.99

05:05:05.220 Yeah, so what?

05:05:06.080 Why is that wrong?

05:05:07.220 Don't you put off relationships with people based on behavioural...

05:05:09.660 Not when they're my family and my parents.

05:05:13.540 Why? Why not?

05:05:14.320 Because they're family.

05:05:15.560 What do you mean?

05:05:16.360 I would never not talk to my parents.

05:05:18.100 It doesn't matter what they do.

05:05:19.300 What would make it wrong for you... 0.98

05:05:21.300 My parents could kill someone, I'd still talk to them. 0.96

05:05:23.980 ...based on behaviour. 0.99

05:05:25.540 Why would that even be wrong?

05:05:26.920 Why would that even be a problem?

05:05:28.220 Because family, it's not all about right and wrong.

05:05:31.600 You know, you love each other...

05:05:33.180 Unconditionally.

05:05:33.860 Yeah, exactly.

05:05:35.940 What do you mean unconditionally?

05:05:37.500 Yeah.

05:05:38.540 Have you ever had unconditional love?

05:05:40.340 Do you know what that feels like?

05:05:42.060 Yeah, let's say you love them unconditionally.

05:05:44.140 You haven't demonstrated this person doesn't love you.

05:05:46.880 You've only demonstrated...

05:05:47.840 By cutting them off, it means...

05:05:49.000 Hang on, hang on.

05:05:49.960 You haven't demonstrated they don't love you.

05:05:52.240 You've only demonstrated they won't give in to your behavioural standard.

05:05:55.420 That's it.

05:05:55.940 They still love you.

05:05:56.960 I think we're just going circles in this, if I'm honest.

05:05:59.640 Because, agree to disagree, I think it would be unloving if my parents cut me off.

05:06:04.720 I think it's unloving that you won't conform to their behavioural standards.

05:06:07.380 Well, because I won't stop porn.

05:06:08.980 Like, what?

05:06:09.480 Oh, because you demand that they accept porn. 0.74

05:06:13.040 My parents...

05:06:13.960 Well, my personal parents don't demand I stop porn.

05:06:16.900 So, that's that.

05:06:17.840 So, let me ask you a question, Lily.

05:06:18.860 If you go off and you do corn, you still love your parents?

05:06:22.660 Yes.

05:06:23.540 Okay, so why would it be the case that if your parents stopped talking to you because you

05:06:27.880 went off and did porn, that that meant they stopped loving you? 0.52

05:06:29.780 Wait, wait, take that back. 0.99

05:06:31.120 So, if I did porn, I still love my parents.

05:06:33.920 Is that the question? 0.96

05:06:35.280 I do porn and I love my parents, yes.

05:06:36.820 So, why would your parents stop loving you just because you did porn, even if they stopped

05:06:40.480 having a relationship with you?

05:06:41.920 No, well, I'm not talking about...

05:06:43.260 My personal parents aren't like this, but you're saying basically you would abandon your

05:06:49.680 child and I think, I percy deem that, that you don't love your child if you will never

05:06:54.600 speak to them or see them again because they do porn. 0.99

05:06:56.660 If they're 35 fucking years old, are they still a child? 1.00

05:06:58.460 Pardon? 1.00

05:06:59.720 If they're 35 years old, are they still a child?

05:07:01.900 Oh, your child, your kid, whatever you want.

05:07:04.120 Final point.

05:07:05.040 Final point on this.

05:07:05.800 So, here's the thing.

05:07:06.800 You keep on saying you're abandoning your child as though this is a three-year-old.

05:07:10.980 Sorry.

05:07:11.580 Sorry, I'm using the wrong terminology.

05:07:13.040 My parents still call me a child because I'm a little girl.

05:07:15.440 Yeah, there's no abandonment, Lily.

05:07:16.360 You're not abandoning.

05:07:17.540 Well, well...

05:07:18.100 You're saying until you conform to...

05:07:20.020 What terminology would you like me to use for someone, your child?

05:07:27.040 No, as your child, then, if you don't want me to use the word child.

05:07:31.240 Yeah, but the reason that you're saying child is because you're infantilizing it.

05:07:35.040 Like, oh my God, you're abandoning your...

05:07:37.100 What would you like me to say?

05:07:38.880 How about this, then?

05:07:39.620 How about this?

05:07:40.060 Use the terminology, your adult child.

05:07:42.900 Okay.

05:07:43.480 See how that sounds?

05:07:44.280 So...

05:07:44.840 You're abandoning to you by having a behavioral standard.

05:07:48.100 For your adult child, are abandoning your adult child.

05:07:52.320 Say that out loud.

05:07:52.920 So you're abandoning your adult child because they do porn, so you don't love them anymore.

05:07:58.240 That means you don't love them anymore.

05:07:59.740 Yeah.

05:08:00.720 But it doesn't mean that the kid stops loving them because they won't conform to their behavioral standards.

05:08:04.500 We're going to go around in circles because we're going to agree to disagree.

05:08:09.240 I believe that if you were to abandon your child because they did porn, that you don't love them anymore.

05:08:14.520 Okay.

05:08:14.720 Well, let me ask you a question.

05:08:15.840 Just one last question before Brian wraps this up.

05:08:18.480 Is it, at least from your view, possible that a parent can absolutely love their child and still cut off contact with them based on behavior?

05:08:28.180 I personally don't think that would be loving.

05:08:30.760 You don't think so?

05:08:30.980 No.

05:08:31.300 I think if you choose to be a parent...

05:08:33.320 What if they were a PDF file?

05:08:34.640 I think if you choose to be a parent, you love that kid until it dies.

05:08:38.820 I didn't say that you don't love.

05:08:40.060 Depending on what it does.

05:08:40.760 I didn't say...

05:08:41.860 Listen, I literally conceded the love thing.

05:08:44.520 I'm asking you this question.

05:08:45.720 Well, I think you stand by your child.

05:08:49.420 Even if they're PDF files?

05:08:51.320 I don't know what PDF files means.

05:08:52.700 Oh, yeah.

05:08:53.420 A kid did not.

05:08:54.480 You go after a kid.

05:08:55.540 A nonce.

05:08:56.720 My parents have always said, even if I kill someone, they would still stand by me.

05:09:00.580 So you would stand by...

05:09:01.960 You think that a good parent stands by their kid, even if they're PDF files?

05:09:05.100 Yeah, they still love them and talk to them.

05:09:07.380 I didn't say anything about love.

05:09:08.920 Well, they still talk to them.

05:09:10.060 They won't cut off contact now.

05:09:12.380 You can still love your kid, but that doesn't mean you have to accept the social behavior.

05:09:15.980 Well, they would still keep contact with them.

05:09:18.680 That's what I'm trying to say.

05:09:19.680 Why?

05:09:19.840 Why do they need to keep contact with them?

05:09:21.580 Because they're their child.

05:09:22.820 And they have chosen to be a parent.

05:09:24.460 At the end of the day, as well...

05:09:25.780 Like, we can go around in circles about this.

05:09:28.180 All right, last question.

05:09:29.160 All right, I lied.

05:09:29.840 Okay, so last question.

05:09:30.780 This has to be the last.

05:09:32.000 It has to be the last.

05:09:32.700 Okay, last one, last one.

05:09:34.380 Could you conceive of having a boyfriend or an ex-husband...

05:09:39.780 What does conceive mean?

05:09:40.600 Hold on, let him finish.

05:09:41.840 Let him finish.

05:09:42.240 Who still is in love with you, but stops talking to you?

05:09:47.520 What does conceive mean?

05:09:49.980 Like, rephrase that, maybe.

05:09:51.400 Can you think that it's possible that there could be an ex-husband or boyfriend who is

05:09:57.480 still in love with a woman, but stops talking to her?

05:10:00.900 Yes, but that is so different.

05:10:02.620 That's so different.

05:10:03.460 The relationship is so different.

05:10:04.620 Even if you cut contact with people, even if you cut contact off with them.

05:10:05.620 Yes, but that type of relationship is so different.

05:10:09.960 I see.

05:10:10.700 But it is possible to cut off contact with people instantly.

05:10:13.280 Oh, my God.

05:10:14.400 But yes, but that type of relationship is very different.

05:10:18.840 So what about the fact that my sperm made you makes it so that it's suddenly not love.

05:10:23.780 But if my sperm didn't make you, I still could love you.

05:10:26.360 What part of that actually makes sense? 0.71

05:10:28.840 Do you want to keep talking and going around in circles?

05:10:31.400 Yes.

05:10:35.120 I bet it's so boring to listen to as well.

05:10:37.060 I hope all your kids turn out just how you want them to turn out.

05:10:39.540 Lucas says, Candace, if you have a public platform and you make public assertions about someone,

05:10:43.900 you have a duty of due diligence.

05:10:45.580 Otherwise, you're CNN.

05:10:47.880 Fake news network.

05:10:49.880 Do you want to respond?

05:10:50.940 I don't know how many times we have to beat a dead horse.

05:10:54.200 You know what I mean?

05:10:55.280 Okay.

05:10:55.480 We have Jason, chair three, doesn't sound like your parents love you. 0.99

05:10:59.040 God damn, Jason, chill out, bro. 0.99

05:11:00.740 Sounds like they don't really care about you. 1.00

05:11:02.660 Are you chair four's daughter? 0.99

05:11:03.720 Damn, this is not the roast session yet. 0.99

05:11:05.940 Chill out, guys. 1.00

05:11:06.520 Holy shit. 0.99

05:11:07.280 We'll get to the roast session in a moment. 0.99

05:11:08.560 Then say, Jason, save it for the roast session, okay?

05:11:12.380 All right.

05:11:13.300 Here, I do have a request of Ayla.

05:11:15.380 Ayla, have you seen the movie American Pie?

05:11:17.820 No.

05:11:18.340 You haven't seen American Pie?

05:11:19.980 That's homeschooled.

05:11:23.160 Yeah.

05:11:23.680 There's this line.

05:11:27.560 Can you say, this one time at band camp?

05:11:31.900 This one time at band camp.

05:11:34.580 It was okay.

05:11:35.740 All right.

05:11:36.040 Never mind.

05:11:36.640 Just sometimes the flow of your, like, kind of the, what's the word for it?

05:11:41.420 Cadence.

05:11:41.800 Cadence.

05:11:41.920 Thank you.

05:11:42.940 It reminds me of the Allison Hannigan, I think, from American Pie. 0.96

05:11:49.440 So, the band camp girl.

05:11:51.200 Okay.

05:11:52.160 I need to get through all the notes.

05:11:53.040 Oh, actually, wait.

05:11:53.560 We need to do the rating thing.

05:11:55.440 Yeah.

05:11:56.260 I think I pretty much wrapped up on that.

05:11:57.860 The only question I have, follow up on that, is, do you think you'll be better looking,

05:12:02.080 better looking, in 10 years' time?

05:12:04.360 You're 32.

05:12:05.300 Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 42?

05:12:07.480 No, definitely not.

05:12:08.580 Okay.

05:12:08.860 And you're 32.

05:12:09.460 Were you better looking at 22 than you are now at 32?

05:12:14.720 Better looking at 22.

05:12:16.060 Okay.

05:12:17.160 Candice, you're 35.

05:12:18.120 Better looking in 10 years' time at 45?

05:12:19.740 No.

05:12:20.360 And then you're 35.

05:12:21.440 Were you better looking at 25 than you are now?

05:12:23.720 No.

05:12:24.300 Better looking now.

05:12:25.040 Yeah.

05:12:25.160 Okay.

05:12:25.840 You're 23.

05:12:26.620 Better looking in 10 years' time at 33?

05:12:28.320 I think I will be.

05:12:29.260 Yeah.

05:12:30.080 Better looking in 20 years' time, 43?

05:12:32.780 Pardon?

05:12:33.340 Wait.

05:12:34.120 Would you be better looking?

05:12:35.760 Probably not.

05:12:36.520 No.

05:12:36.800 Okay.

05:12:37.340 Maybe.

05:12:37.540 But yes, at 33.

05:12:38.660 I might have a lot more work done, so it depends.

05:12:41.040 You have work currently?

05:12:42.340 Yeah, yeah.

05:12:43.340 Lips?

05:12:44.820 Lips.

05:12:45.280 Lips?

05:12:45.620 Is it the look for it?

05:12:46.040 No, I haven't had my lips done.

05:12:47.000 Why do they look nice?

05:12:48.460 Oh, I don't know.

05:12:48.820 They do.

05:12:49.520 Thank you.

05:12:50.280 You're 43.

05:12:51.000 Better looking in 10 years' time at 53?

05:12:52.680 No.

05:12:53.340 Okay.

05:12:53.640 You're 43.

05:12:54.200 Were you better looking at 33 than you are now at 43?

05:12:56.260 No.

05:12:56.740 Better looking now?

05:12:57.480 Mm-hmm.

05:12:57.840 Okay.

05:12:58.160 What about 20 years' time?

05:12:59.540 Better looking at 23 versus 43?

05:13:02.460 No.

05:13:02.700 So, better looking now at 43 versus 23?

05:13:07.260 Yeah, I think so.

05:13:08.140 When you take the whole...

05:13:09.140 I'm thinking of all the things, not just like...

05:13:11.220 Sorry.

05:13:11.680 No, I'm talking just looks.

05:13:12.680 Just looks.

05:13:13.600 So, you can't factor in personality, being ethically non-monogamous?

05:13:17.900 Yeah, then probably no.

05:13:18.720 Then probably better at 23.

05:13:20.480 Okay.

05:13:21.140 You're 21.

05:13:22.260 Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time at 31?

05:13:25.080 Possibly, but probably not.

05:13:27.220 Okay.

05:13:27.860 You're 35.

05:13:28.900 Better looking in 10 years' time at 45?

05:13:30.780 No.

05:13:31.540 No?

05:13:32.700 Sorry.

05:13:33.540 No?

05:13:33.900 Was that a no?

05:13:34.380 Yeah, it would not be better.

05:13:35.300 And then you're 35.

05:13:36.340 Were you better looking 10 years ago at 25?

05:13:38.080 I didn't have the confidence I do now, so...

05:13:40.360 Just looks, though.

05:13:41.100 Don't worry about the confidence.

05:13:43.980 Oh, honestly, I use an anti-aging face cream, so I'm pretty...

05:13:49.360 Anti-aging?

05:13:50.020 Yeah, I look the same.

05:13:52.200 Yeah, I did last.

05:13:53.800 You...

05:13:54.200 Yeah.

05:13:54.620 No aging?

05:13:55.640 No.

05:13:56.720 Seriously?

05:13:57.760 Okay.

05:13:58.160 No aging in 10 years' time?

05:13:59.300 Okay.

05:14:00.540 All right.

05:14:01.100 Uh, you're 30, better looking in 10 years' time at 40?

05:14:04.080 No.

05:14:04.720 And then you're 30, were you better looking at 20?

05:14:07.360 Uh, I say yes, only because I lost a lot of weight.

05:14:11.700 Okay.

05:14:12.440 Uh, you're 22, better looking in 10 years' time at 32?

05:14:15.600 Yes.

05:14:16.400 20 years' time at 42?

05:14:18.600 Hmm, better than no.

05:14:20.040 Um, no.

05:14:24.160 Okay.

05:14:25.000 Uh, wow, I...

05:14:25.900 Normally we get some...

05:14:27.480 Sometimes they're troll answers to this, but...

05:14:29.760 I don't think anybody said anything too crazy.

05:14:32.180 I think the last time I was on, I didn't quite understand the question, but now I do.

05:14:35.460 Okay.

05:14:35.920 Uh, we have some age...

05:14:37.240 Just in case...

05:14:37.860 Uh, well, we'll just go through it quick.

05:14:39.640 We age-advanced you.

05:14:41.160 Did we also get gender, too?

05:14:42.600 Did we swap gender? 0.94

05:14:43.520 Yeah. 1.00

05:14:44.100 Okay, fuck it. 1.00

05:14:44.560 We'll do that, too. 1.00

05:14:45.440 We, we used, we used the art of AI to age all of you, and we're gonna test this out.

05:14:51.700 All right, pull it up.

05:14:52.900 Oh, no.

05:14:54.160 Man.

05:14:54.960 All right, guys, like the video.

05:14:56.340 Like the video.

05:14:56.860 You got it?

05:14:57.640 Okay.

05:14:58.920 All right, that's...

05:14:59.700 How much older did you...

05:15:00.780 Like, what was the...

05:15:01.940 It took the milf.

05:15:03.020 Okay, next.

05:15:03.580 That's not 10 years older.

05:15:04.660 Yeah, that's...

05:15:05.480 Whoa.

05:15:06.280 That's like 75 years...

05:15:08.000 You know what's interesting, Candace, is I...

05:15:11.120 Like, when you were younger, you looked more white. 0.63

05:15:13.900 This is gonna...

05:15:14.860 Don't clip this.

05:15:16.200 Definitely clip this.

05:15:16.780 And then, now you look more Asian, but then here you look white again. 0.88

05:15:20.200 I don't know what happened.

05:15:21.320 I don't know either.

05:15:22.120 It's like this weird kind of...

05:15:23.020 It morphs.

05:15:24.020 Yeah.

05:15:24.280 Next.

05:15:27.660 See, that's 10 years old.

05:15:30.060 You're like 95.

05:15:31.200 They did you dirty. 0.98

05:15:32.100 You're like 95.

05:15:32.940 I'm like on Jeff's door at that point.

05:15:36.060 They did you dirty. 0.98

05:15:37.240 Oh, my God.

05:15:37.780 Oh, my goodness.

05:15:39.260 Crypt keeper over here.

05:15:40.620 Okay, next.

05:15:42.580 Oh, yeah.

05:15:43.580 I'm looking good.

05:15:44.520 Okay.

05:15:44.860 Yeah, you do, I think.

05:15:46.000 There you go.

05:15:47.180 All right.

05:15:47.460 I think you're winning so far.

05:15:48.700 Yeah.

05:15:49.580 Next.

05:15:51.140 That's... 1.00

05:15:51.860 Damn. 1.00

05:15:52.600 That is... 1.00

05:15:53.300 Who did this?

05:15:54.140 That is creeper. 1.00

05:15:55.980 Shit. 1.00

05:15:56.800 Okay, next. 1.00

05:15:58.080 Oh, my God.

05:15:59.820 Wait.

05:16:00.800 I don't look good.

05:16:01.660 Oh, okay.

05:16:02.860 I was curious.

05:16:03.380 That's also very good.

05:16:05.280 I see the difference.

05:16:06.900 Next.

05:16:09.500 You look good, yeah.

05:16:10.860 All right, there you go.

05:16:12.380 That's like the lunch lady in elementary school, I think. 0.68

05:16:15.320 A hot lunch lady. 0.99

05:16:16.660 Next.

05:16:19.740 I can see it.

05:16:21.540 Okay.

05:16:21.840 I kind of look like my grandma.

05:16:23.200 You definitely...

05:16:24.080 Aw.

05:16:24.460 You definitely...

05:16:25.080 Sweet.

05:16:26.560 Next.

05:16:28.360 Of course.

05:16:29.360 Obviously.

05:16:30.200 Obviously.

05:16:30.600 Next.

05:16:32.520 Of course.

05:16:33.600 All right.

05:16:33.940 And then we have a different batch.

05:16:35.580 Next.

05:16:35.980 We'll do it quick.

05:16:36.540 Hold on.

05:16:36.820 There's another batch that's like pretty much the same photos.

05:16:39.220 Is it?

05:16:39.740 Let me take a look.

05:16:40.560 We'll take a look and see.

05:16:41.800 Yeah.

05:16:42.160 I feel like we were...

05:16:42.900 Same...

05:16:43.340 Same photo?

05:16:43.840 Oh, same guy?

05:16:44.440 Yeah.

05:16:45.200 Maybe.

05:16:45.380 Millie was definitely... 1.00

05:16:46.580 We'll go quick.

05:16:47.440 Next. 0.97

05:16:47.620 It was ridiculous. 0.96

05:16:49.420 Better. 0.96

05:16:49.740 Oh, God.

05:16:50.420 Whoa.

05:16:50.840 Okay, next.

05:16:52.300 Is this when you're like meant to be like a child?

05:16:54.320 Oh, you're going... 0.99

05:16:54.820 That's crotch. 0.99

05:16:55.140 Oh, that's good. 0.99

05:16:56.040 I think it's hot, yeah.

05:16:57.240 Next.

05:16:57.980 That's the same.

05:16:59.220 I just...

05:16:59.580 That's more realistic.

05:17:00.760 Next.

05:17:00.940 Next.

05:17:05.140 Next.

05:17:06.700 Next.

05:17:07.600 Oh.

05:17:08.020 Whoa.

05:17:08.440 Holy...

05:17:09.000 Oh. 0.99

05:17:10.000 Damn. 1.00

05:17:10.440 Okay. 1.00

05:17:11.060 Next.

05:17:12.740 Wait.

05:17:13.900 Wait.

05:17:14.460 Oh.

05:17:15.540 No, we'll do gender. 0.99

05:17:16.640 We'll do gender swap. 1.00

05:17:17.860 Wait.

05:17:18.120 Okay, so here's the thing. 1.00

05:17:19.180 Wait, what the fuck? 0.99

05:17:20.040 Is it like would you date the boy? 1.00

05:17:22.200 Yeah.

05:17:22.740 Would you date the male version of you?

05:17:24.760 Version of yourself.

05:17:25.040 Like, would you find them attractive?

05:17:26.680 Like, I guess that's all we can go off of.

05:17:28.260 I could probably brute force it.

05:17:29.120 Yeah.

05:17:29.440 Guys, I'm hot.

05:17:31.980 She's going brute force. 1.00

05:17:33.340 Okay.

05:17:35.600 Okay.

05:17:36.300 All right.

05:17:36.940 Next.

05:17:40.160 Candace, do you...

05:17:40.960 I look just like my brother, so no.

05:17:43.540 I look cynical, so no.

05:17:46.400 You kind of look like Stifler.

05:17:49.140 Oh, my God.

05:17:49.560 Do you know who that American pie?

05:17:51.040 A little bit like Stifler.

05:17:52.000 No, it looks just like my brother.

05:17:52.860 A little bit.

05:17:53.600 A little bit.

05:17:54.120 Another American pie reference.

05:17:55.620 Yeah.

05:17:56.020 You got to watch that.

05:17:58.220 Oh.

05:17:58.660 Oh.

05:18:00.040 Hell yeah.

05:18:01.020 Hell yeah.

05:18:01.680 I love it.

05:18:02.560 Keep getting up.

05:18:03.400 You'd smash.

05:18:04.520 You'd smash.

05:18:05.460 Okay.

05:18:05.820 Next.

05:18:06.240 Roll. 1.00

05:18:07.740 What the fuck? 1.00

05:18:09.040 That's terrible. 1.00

05:18:09.920 They gave you a pompadour.

05:18:11.640 What is that called?

05:18:12.780 Is it a pompadour?

05:18:14.260 Yeah.

05:18:14.480 Is that what that's called?

05:18:15.000 It's really funny.

05:18:16.220 Yeah.

05:18:16.980 Would you hit?

05:18:18.680 No.

05:18:19.060 I would.

05:18:19.700 Not your type?

05:18:20.820 Not your type?

05:18:21.760 I'm scared.

05:18:22.260 Or is it like...

05:18:22.920 Game of Thrones stuff?

05:18:23.360 Scary looking.

05:18:24.120 That was scary.

05:18:25.940 I don't know.

05:18:26.340 I mean, it's like you're...

05:18:27.140 It's your face, but male. 0.57

05:18:28.320 I know.

05:18:28.680 Isn't that weird, right?

05:18:29.720 You wouldn't...

05:18:30.660 Like, what about like just a one-time thing?

05:18:32.560 Yeah, sure. 0.80

05:18:33.140 Okay, she'll smash. 1.00

05:18:34.320 If they're as good and bad as I am. 0.97

05:18:35.240 Yeah.

05:18:36.400 Next.

05:18:38.100 Oh, my God.

05:18:38.840 Oh, ho, ho, ho. 0.81

05:18:40.460 Carly.

05:18:42.300 Hey.

05:18:43.140 Yo, Carly, do you...

05:18:44.460 I don't know.

05:18:45.860 I don't think...

05:18:46.580 Definitely.

05:18:47.340 She's like, I've never seen a man so handsome.

05:18:49.560 I was going to say, it's kind of giving like Predator, like...

05:18:52.440 Oh, no.

05:18:52.860 Oh, my God.

05:18:54.500 I don't know.

05:18:55.280 Which do you prefer?

05:18:56.640 The one with the beard or like shaved?

05:18:59.240 Beard, I guess.

05:19:00.200 Closer to the mic if you get beard.

05:19:01.500 That's right.

05:19:01.900 Beard, I guess.

05:19:02.540 I still have like lip gloss on on the other one.

05:19:05.680 So, you would not...

05:19:07.120 You wouldn't...

05:19:07.860 You wouldn't do it.

05:19:09.500 Maybe once.

05:19:10.640 Just one time.

05:19:11.440 Okay.

05:19:11.840 I need a couple drinks first.

05:19:12.740 Smash and dash.

05:19:15.000 Okay.

05:19:15.460 Yeah, how many shawls?

05:19:16.020 Next.

05:19:16.380 Next.

05:19:16.440 Next.

05:19:19.560 Who is that?

05:19:22.300 Yeah.

05:19:23.400 That's...

05:19:24.120 I'm Brad Pitt.

05:19:26.720 Good jawline there.

05:19:28.020 That's good.

05:19:28.940 Okay.

05:19:30.200 Who does that look like?

05:19:31.820 Looks like a character.

05:19:32.580 Someone from The Walking Dead.

05:19:34.000 Not the zombies.

05:19:34.900 Like the one of the living people.

05:19:36.780 Okay, next.

05:19:39.060 Ooh, Danny.

05:19:41.420 Would you...

05:19:42.260 Danny was supposed to be a boy.

05:19:43.640 I would say no just because it looks like my...

05:19:45.740 I would say no because it looks like my dad.

05:19:48.940 Yikes.

05:19:49.560 Okay.

05:19:50.600 All right.

05:19:51.200 Let's see.

05:19:52.120 Next.

05:19:54.420 Whoa.

05:19:54.960 Oh, no.

05:19:58.380 Is there... 0.98

05:19:58.940 I think that's the most ridiculous. 0.98

05:20:00.020 There's just old pigtails. 1.00

05:20:01.160 Would you...

05:20:02.060 Change the hair.

05:20:03.860 I don't...

05:20:04.080 Would you hit if you were single?

05:20:08.080 No.

05:20:08.840 No?

05:20:09.460 Just doesn't do it for you?

05:20:10.520 No.

05:20:11.080 You prefer like...

05:20:12.820 Okay.

05:20:13.880 Next.

05:20:14.760 Wait.

05:20:15.100 Let me check this more.

05:20:15.900 Hold on.

05:20:16.520 Oh.

05:20:16.780 Oh.

05:20:16.880 Okay.

05:20:20.020 Oh, no.

05:20:20.420 Is it me?

05:20:21.060 Oh, no.

05:20:22.280 Whoa.

05:20:22.840 Oh.

05:20:23.700 Okay.

05:20:24.600 Darkavia, do you hit?

05:20:26.060 I can't even see that far.

05:20:27.640 I can't really see it.

05:20:28.300 I can't really make dark.

05:20:29.280 Okay.

05:20:29.940 If she can't...

05:20:30.580 She's using the old can't see excuse. 0.94

05:20:32.620 Okay.

05:20:32.960 Next.

05:20:33.680 You.

05:20:34.620 You didn't do...

05:20:35.380 They didn't do me?

05:20:36.200 Okay.

05:20:37.280 That's fine.

05:20:37.860 All right.

05:20:38.520 Wow.

05:20:38.880 That was...

05:20:39.600 That was funny.

05:20:40.340 That was good.

05:20:40.980 That was good.

05:20:41.600 All right.

05:20:42.600 Let's get through the rest of the stuff as quickly as possible.

05:20:45.260 We do have...

05:20:46.860 We still need to get Candace's notes.

05:20:49.060 We have...

05:20:50.500 Katarina.

05:20:53.100 Did I say it right? 0.99

05:20:53.700 Did I still fuck it up? 0.99

05:20:55.660 It's like a hurricane. 0.97

05:20:56.400 Katrina.

05:20:57.240 Yeah.

05:20:57.820 Kat.

05:20:58.520 Kat.

05:20:58.880 Kat.

05:20:59.080 Kat.

05:20:59.140 You're just Kat.

05:20:59.680 Yeah.

05:21:00.340 You said, it's so crazy when you get a boyfriend after being single for so long, four years,

05:21:06.980 all of the ex-potential creep, ex-potentials creep into your DMs once you get a new man.

05:21:12.460 At least six or seven pretty hot dudes.

05:21:14.280 Yeah.

05:21:14.700 Give me a break. 1.00

05:21:15.960 I can't make this shit up. 0.99

05:21:17.380 I'm not a 10, but I identify as one. 0.99

05:21:19.800 I'm not ugly.

05:21:20.920 I'm broke.

05:21:21.660 Because I know that they still gonna cheat, even if I was Megan Fox.

05:21:27.300 And that's to everyone and all the dudes like me, the girls too.

05:21:29.820 That's what you wrote.

05:21:30.860 Okay. 1.00

05:21:31.760 You said, these dudes are fucked and only one out of 20 I've tried on are still not married 1.00

05:21:38.920 and still effing around. 1.00

05:21:40.640 So clearly, I'm not the problem.

05:21:43.400 You go, girl.

05:21:44.440 Okay.

05:21:45.200 You dated a guy who everyone had a crush on in high school when you were 30?

05:21:50.920 Oh, so you knew him in high school, but you date when you were both 30 or whatever.

05:21:55.600 Okay.

05:21:56.100 He was the best.

05:21:57.180 So funny, talented, and hot.

05:22:00.540 Parentheses, 5'11".

05:22:02.300 Trev ended up a gangster, but I'm used to at this point.

05:22:07.580 You're used to gangsters.

05:22:09.400 Yeah.

05:22:09.480 Gangsters.

05:22:10.120 At that point.

05:22:10.820 Do you have a, like...

05:22:11.360 Not anymore.

05:22:11.900 My boyfriend now is not, but I had a bad boy. 0.91

05:22:15.860 Do you date, like, white guys, black guys, Latinos? 0.96

05:22:18.240 All white boys. 0.98

05:22:18.900 Only white boys. 0.76

05:22:20.060 Yeah.

05:22:20.400 And, like, up until 2020, they were all over six foot.

05:22:24.580 What gangs are white guys in?

05:22:27.720 What gangs are white guys in that?

05:22:29.200 I mean, gangsters, like, they...

05:22:30.720 I don't mean, like, literally in a gang.

05:22:33.180 I just mean, like...

05:22:33.880 Thug?

05:22:34.520 Yeah.

05:22:34.960 Thug.

05:22:35.160 That's the right word.

05:22:36.520 Thug.

05:22:37.000 Okay.

05:22:37.220 Yeah.

05:22:38.000 Let's see.

05:22:38.940 Spent most of his 20s locked up in jail.

05:22:40.780 You were with him for about six weeks in 2019.

05:22:42.560 You stayed friends.

05:22:43.260 And, uh, back in...

05:22:45.600 Okay, I'm not gonna, like, say that stuff, but...

05:22:49.080 What was wrong with what I said?

05:22:51.460 Oh, I just...

05:22:52.400 I don't know.

05:22:52.720 He's...

05:22:53.360 Whatever.

05:22:54.960 Okay, he's in jail for drugs and guns.

05:22:56.400 Now, he got locked up.

05:22:57.320 Yeah.

05:22:58.080 So, right now, he's...

05:22:59.120 You told him you were going to take a nap before you had to drive home when you were

05:23:02.980 trying to sleep.

05:23:03.640 You heard him and his best bro...

05:23:06.060 Wait.

05:23:06.900 Yeah.

05:23:07.920 Hold on.

05:23:11.820 Hold on.

05:23:12.440 Yeah.

05:23:12.760 So, the thug...

05:23:14.120 Yeah.

05:23:14.660 ...who every girl had a crush on in high school when you were trying to, like, fall asleep,

05:23:18.160 you guys were in, like, the same house or whatever, you heard him and his best bro

05:23:21.580 hooking up.

05:23:22.800 Yep.

05:23:23.300 Was he on top or bottom? 0.83

05:23:24.640 I heard them hooking up, and I have had sex with that guy enough to know what it sounds 0.98

05:23:30.000 like.

05:23:31.220 And, um, you know, I wanted to... 0.99

05:23:34.960 What the fuck? 0.97

05:23:35.720 I know, I wanted to get up out of, like, when I tried to leave, I wanted there to be 1.00

05:23:40.000 a chick there, like, that they were having, like, a threesome, and there wasn't.

05:23:45.660 And, um, yeah, it's, it was pretty traumatizing since then.

05:23:51.040 I've kind of just had a thing, like, that guy's gay, then, like, probably most are. 0.67

05:23:58.620 I mean, like, if that, like...

05:24:01.480 If he's gay, then... 1.00

05:24:02.720 Yeah. 0.98

05:24:02.900 You wrote, you're worried that they all are. 1.00

05:24:05.720 Shit. 1.00

05:24:06.720 Because if he, like, it's... 1.00

05:24:08.640 Yeah, like, you know, the... 1.00

05:24:10.880 Whatever, top dog, fucking whatever. 0.99

05:24:13.580 But that guy who... 1.00

05:24:14.720 The guy who he's sleeping with is just one of his, you know, little bitches that, like, 1.00

05:24:20.240 just like all his other little bitches, too, right? 1.00

05:24:23.360 Okay. 1.00

05:24:24.080 Yeah.

05:24:24.340 Um, is he having a good time in prison, or?

05:24:27.620 That's what I mean, is that he's so damaged by it, obviously.

05:24:31.900 Uh-huh.

05:24:32.320 Okay.

05:24:32.640 It turned off and turned up into that.

05:24:35.240 You said all the men you've fallen in love with picked ratchet hoes over you. 1.00

05:24:38.480 I'm not talking, like...

05:24:39.480 I'm talking, like, the worst kind of women, like, that, you know, I use, and, like, that 1.00

05:24:45.040 they, um...

05:24:47.620 What's...

05:24:48.580 When I say ratchet women, I say women who, um... 1.00

05:24:52.140 Trauma?

05:24:53.480 Are, uh...

05:24:54.520 Strumpets?

05:24:55.680 Harlots?

05:24:56.120 Yeah, like, just, like, I'm trying to sum it up in so many words, um, baby, have babies

05:25:06.580 as pawns.

05:25:07.500 You said ratchet hoes. 1.00

05:25:09.140 Yeah.

05:25:09.380 Just, yeah, just say that.

05:25:10.700 Yeah, ratchet hoes. 1.00

05:25:11.340 Okay, easy.

05:25:12.560 Who, like, and it's just, yeah, it became so, like, I became tainted, and I was just gonna,

05:25:19.500 I just started treating them the same way they treated me, um, so if they were busy, I got

05:25:24.880 busy, too, you know, I had other things going on, I didn't keep it, I didn't, I kept them

05:25:31.260 on, like, ice or whatever you want to call it, like, I was, I'd answer their calls and

05:25:36.000 text them back and show up when they needed a friend, um, but I didn't put all my eggs

05:25:41.460 in their baskets, and it took, like, a good guy to come around, um, to make me drop all

05:25:48.060 of them.

05:25:49.520 And that's what, you dropped them?

05:25:51.240 I did.

05:25:51.560 You dropped the...

05:25:52.640 Yeah, and you know what, I'll tell you right now, and I know you're not gonna believe

05:25:54.820 me, but I didn't, it wasn't all just sex, like, it's not, I'm not, like, a super frisky

05:25:58.800 kind of girl, like, it wasn't like that for me, like, it was just about, uh, being there 0.95

05:26:03.320 for a friend, and it wasn't, it didn't have to do with, I wanted to fuck, or I was horny, 0.97

05:26:08.360 or anything like that, it was... 1.00

05:26:09.340 The pity fuck. 1.00

05:26:10.360 We talked about that. 1.00

05:26:12.060 Right?

05:26:12.680 Yeah, at the beginning.

05:26:13.420 That's what, that's what it was, though, like, ah, my friend.

05:26:16.940 Yeah, he's going through a hard time. 1.00

05:26:18.420 He's kind of, damn, I guess I'll suck his dick. 1.00

05:26:19.920 Like, what? 1.00

05:26:20.580 Is that, is that what it was?

05:26:21.600 It, yeah, so...

05:26:25.240 Oh, okay.

05:26:25.800 Yeah, those are my show notes. 1.00

05:26:27.060 Those are what I thought you were gonna read, like, and now it's, holy fuck. 1.00

05:26:33.080 Have any of you been pity fucked? 1.00

05:26:35.640 Like, the guy's like, oh, God, ah, I guess I'll fuck her, you know? 1.00

05:26:41.340 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, when I was pregnant... 1.00

05:26:43.180 You got a pity fuck? 0.99

05:26:43.820 Well, it was because when I, that sounds really bad. 1.00

05:26:46.600 Damn. 0.99

05:26:46.820 When I was pregnant with my third, I wanted sex every day. 1.00

05:26:50.680 It was, it was insane.

05:26:52.020 Oh, you're pregnant? 1.00

05:26:52.760 Yeah, I don't, it didn't happen with my first two.

05:26:54.820 I was, like, wildly insatiable.

05:26:56.280 I already feel that way now, but it was, it was insane with my third, and...

05:26:59.140 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's actually common, Brian. 0.93

05:27:01.020 Yeah, and I literally wanted him, I wanted to have sex. 0.99

05:27:04.200 They're horny. 1.00

05:27:04.640 And he, I know, he didn't say it was ever a pity fuck, but it was definitely, he told me, 0.99

05:27:08.400 like... 0.99

05:27:09.180 Well, it releases, uh, releases tons of hormones.

05:27:12.280 Yeah. 0.98

05:27:12.460 Uh, that's why they have bizarre cravings and shit like that. 0.99

05:27:15.460 You know, and they put Jif peanut butter on Doritos and all kinds of crazy shit. 0.99

05:27:19.200 Interesting. 0.99

05:27:19.520 So, those, those hormones, yeah, sometimes, uh, that's the way it leans.

05:27:23.960 It was less pity and more of, I can't keep up with you, but I'm gonna give it to you anyway.

05:27:27.920 I see.

05:27:28.660 Okay, that, that makes sense.

05:27:29.840 Yeah. 0.99

05:27:30.720 Have I ever done the pity fuck? 1.00

05:27:34.880 Probably. 1.00

05:27:35.640 Okay, good talk.

05:27:36.880 Uh, let's see.

05:27:37.580 Final notes here for Katrina, finally.

05:27:41.120 Uh, you asked, when you guys ask what our number is, referring to body count, what do

05:27:46.620 you mean?

05:27:48.520 Do you mean the number of D's we F'd or F'd us?

05:27:54.340 Do B, blow, blowies count? 0.94

05:27:57.120 Do you mean the number of men who have gotten me off?

05:27:59.520 Do you mean the number of guys that, uh, non-consensual?

05:28:03.960 Well, we, I, me personally, I don't, I don't, I don't think that counts if it was non. 0.99

05:28:08.620 I, I didn't say that, though.

05:28:10.200 Oh.

05:28:10.500 I said.

05:28:11.200 Oh, well, you, sorry.

05:28:12.440 You said pressured you into it or took advantage of you.

05:28:15.040 Yeah.

05:28:15.260 So, it's still consensual.

05:28:16.800 Wasn't, I wouldn't say consensual.

05:28:18.660 It was, um, like, I felt like I had to do it.

05:28:22.000 So, or, like, to get, like, I've been in positions, you know, with guys to be like, 0.99

05:28:27.720 give me a BJ or have sex with me or I'm going to tell your boyfriend you did anyways. 1.00

05:28:32.120 You know, so. 1.00

05:28:32.900 That's not consent.

05:28:34.480 I mean, that's, uh, there's a word for that and, like, that's probably.

05:28:39.480 Yeah, so, like, my number is higher than I want, would like it to be, um, because I've

05:28:45.460 learned from all of those mistakes that I'm, but, you know, I'm not a victim.

05:28:50.480 I just put myself in shitty situations and survived, as Miss Pamela Anderson would say.

05:28:55.300 And, uh, I learned from them and I, like I said earlier, I don't enjoy, or, like, I felt

05:29:04.420 like a next guy that I was to be with, um, would have to be pretty dope for me to put

05:29:11.020 my number up for them.

05:29:12.840 Okay.

05:29:13.660 Um, wait, I actually, uh, sort of tangential to this, but, like, do you think, let's say

05:29:21.240 you're dating somebody and, like, there's maybe a differential in sex drive.

05:29:26.300 And, like, the boyfriend, there's never been, like, it's always been consensual, but, like,

05:29:32.020 the girlfriend is starting to, like, slowly withdraw.

05:29:35.280 And the boyfriend says, she really likes him, though, and she wants to stay with him.

05:29:40.000 But, like, there's a mismatch when it comes to the sex.

05:29:42.000 And the boyfriend's like, I really like you, but we're not having as much sex as I would

05:29:47.620 like.

05:29:48.360 Would that, would you consider that, like, pressuring a girl to have, like, if he's going to

05:29:55.280 he's like, look, I'm dissatisfied with our sex life, like, if, like, I'm going to have

05:30:04.040 to leave you if it doesn't improve.

05:30:05.800 Like, would that be, like, pressuring?

05:30:08.020 I guess it would be, but is it, like, do you know what I'm asking?

05:30:13.000 I don't know.

05:30:13.140 I think that you just have to admit that not everyone's compatible, and specifically sexually

05:30:17.380 compatible.

05:30:18.040 So, I think that's more admirable than lying about it.

05:30:20.280 Like, but what if she stays with him, and she, like, ups the amount?

05:30:23.860 Mm-hmm.

05:30:24.420 I, that's consensual.

05:30:25.920 Like, she ups the amount of people.

05:30:26.640 I don't think it's pressure.

05:30:27.720 But she's like, that's not as much sex as she would otherwise want to have. 1.00

05:30:33.040 Mm-hmm.

05:30:33.240 So, is that, like, a compromise, or is that, like, kind of getting in?

05:30:37.480 I think they should be getting into the bottom of, like, why the woman doesn't feel the need 0.99

05:30:42.460 to, like, want sex. 0.97

05:30:43.300 I mean, like, maybe she's, has a really low sex drive, or she's, like, partly ace, asexual. 0.99

05:30:48.840 Yeah. 0.92

05:30:49.160 I mean, I've been in it where it's, like, the other way around, and I've wanted sex a lot

05:30:52.900 more than the guy, and it can be hurtful.

05:30:56.040 It sounds bad, but it can be hurtful when, like, I feel hurt when a guy doesn't want to

05:31:00.480 have sex with me, because it's like, why would you want to have sex with me? 0.98

05:31:03.400 And it's like, you know, sometimes you just have to realize that you do have different 1.00

05:31:06.420 sex drives, and masturbation is key. 0.99

05:31:11.180 True. 0.99

05:31:11.740 That's personally my thought.

05:31:12.920 Okay.

05:31:14.060 I'll just move this on.

05:31:15.360 Hot take from you, last thing. 0.97

05:31:17.180 You said, if you give sex away for free, you might as well get paid for it. 0.99

05:31:21.260 Ain't nothing worse than a broke-ass hoe, in my opinion. 1.00

05:31:25.500 Yeah.

05:31:26.460 Your word's not mine.

05:31:27.460 Yep.

05:31:28.540 So have you ever been paid? 0.99

05:31:30.480 No, I'm a fucking broke. 0.99

05:31:31.960 I'm broke. 0.99

05:31:32.780 Oh, you're broke.

05:31:33.340 Oh, okay.

05:31:34.620 Like, I don't get paid.

05:31:35.500 If I was going to give it away for free, I would get paid for it.

05:31:38.280 But you said, ain't nothing worse than a broke-ass hoe. 1.00

05:31:41.400 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

05:31:42.060 But I'm broke-ass, I'm a fucking hoe. 0.99

05:31:44.200 But you're not a hoe. 1.00

05:31:45.340 Right. 0.98

05:31:46.120 Broke-ass, not a hoe. 1.00

05:31:48.220 Yeah, exactly. 0.71

05:31:49.980 Okay.

05:31:50.580 Okay, just clarifying.

05:31:51.560 Seriously.

05:31:51.820 All right. 0.95

05:31:52.020 But if you're going to be a hoe, you can't be broke-ass. 1.00

05:31:57.140 Yeah, exactly. 0.68

05:31:57.680 Got it.

05:31:58.340 Okay, just clarifying.

05:32:00.080 Understood.

05:32:00.760 Understood.

05:32:01.360 Okay.

05:32:01.880 Yeah, that's where, like...

05:32:04.080 Okay.

05:32:04.880 I love the analogy.

05:32:05.800 Yeah, it's good.

05:32:06.520 It's good. 1.00

05:32:06.880 Okay, Danielle, you said one of your exes was a hardcore masturbator. 1.00

05:32:12.180 And he always wanted to masturbate, especially to Asian porn, huh? 0.99

05:32:17.240 When I am a thicker woman, we were together for four or five years. 0.99

05:32:21.520 You found out a year later, he still has his addiction and has a kid.

05:32:26.400 They are separated. 0.99

05:32:28.340 The new girl, they got separated because of his hardcore masturbation. 0.99

05:32:33.060 Still, yeah, to this day. 1.00

05:32:34.260 So would he, like, try to watch that shit with you? 1.00

05:32:37.040 No, honestly, it's... 1.00

05:32:39.120 I kind of found out about it because I came home and there was a laptop on his chest and 0.99

05:32:44.120 his dick was out and he was asleep. 0.99

05:32:46.540 And, like, was it... 1.00

05:32:47.460 But, like, how did you know it was Asian porn? 0.99

05:32:49.640 Because it was on his laptop. 0.99

05:32:50.660 Oh, you saw it.

05:32:51.620 Yeah.

05:32:51.720 I thought you heard something.

05:32:53.240 No. 0.99

05:32:53.420 Like, it was Japanese porn or something. 0.99

05:32:55.040 No, it wasn't... 1.00

05:32:57.240 It was just Asian porn. 0.99

05:32:58.760 I didn't see it all. 0.97

05:32:59.340 You can't just know what I'm talking about.

05:33:00.520 But I noticed.

05:33:02.520 And then I was kind of like, oh, like, maybe it's a one-off type of thing.

05:33:05.680 And then I kind of noticed it was all the time.

05:33:09.040 And, like, if I came home and I wanted to know, like, I'm horny, whatever, and then

05:33:14.080 he's already done it.

05:33:15.380 And I was like, oh, okay.

05:33:16.500 And he's just, like, one of those type of guys that, like, come once a day.

05:33:20.220 You know?

05:33:20.460 Like, you can't, you know?

05:33:21.880 Wait, was that the only time you caught him with his...

05:33:24.780 No, no, no. 1.00

05:33:25.160 Watching that shit? 1.00

05:33:25.700 Multiple times. 1.00

05:33:26.040 And he was always Asian. 0.99

05:33:27.620 It was always Asian porn. 1.00

05:33:28.360 Always Asian. 1.00

05:33:29.140 Okay.

05:33:29.700 And, like, skinny Asians. 1.00

05:33:31.240 Skinny Asians. 1.00

05:33:31.720 Like, not, like, super...

05:33:32.520 And I was thicker.

05:33:33.580 And this is one of the reasons he actually broke up with me is because he wanted to get

05:33:36.620 fit.

05:33:37.220 And I wasn't in a position at the time to get fit because I was going to school full-time

05:33:41.220 and I was working two jobs and it was just, like, a lot.

05:33:45.180 And, um...

05:33:46.120 Oh, me so horny!

05:33:47.720 Me love you long time!

05:33:49.960 Pretty much.

05:33:50.680 And, um, I happen to be friends with one of his friends that, uh, unfortunately I still

05:33:57.780 hear about him and I, I have seen him over the years because we do have mutual friends

05:34:02.060 and I'm very civil with all my exes.

05:34:05.800 Sure.

05:34:06.000 But, um, it's...

05:34:08.180 To this day, it's, like, to the point where...

05:34:11.320 He lost custody of his...

05:34:12.540 Yeah.

05:34:13.020 I'm just curious, like, would it have been better if, like, what if they were still skinny

05:34:18.600 but it was, like, a white chick? 1.00

05:34:19.860 Do you feel better or worse?

05:34:22.960 Um...

05:34:23.480 And what if it was a Latina or a Native American?

05:34:26.920 I think just the fact...

05:34:28.620 Yeah, like...

05:34:29.060 I'm just kidding.

05:34:30.280 Because I am a thicker girl, like, I just find because he was watching always, like,

05:34:35.900 smaller girls and the fact that he wanted to get fit and all that stuff, like, it kind

05:34:39.800 of...

05:34:40.160 It's like, oh, like, you know, we're a couple, we can better each other type of thing or maybe

05:34:43.860 and just overall, like, the fact that it was always skinny people in the porn kind

05:34:49.860 of, like, threw me for a loop because I'm not skinny.

05:34:52.520 And if that's what he likes, then, like, why is he with me?

05:34:55.860 And so, originally, he broke up with me because, you know, he said, you know, I want to get

05:35:01.040 fit and all this stuff and I was like, okay, no problem.

05:35:03.260 And then, like, he did this huge thing where he won me back in a sense where he, you know,

05:35:07.980 bought me flowers. 0.98

05:35:08.840 He did this huge, like, gesture of, like, I'm so sorry, like, I fucked up, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. 0.93

05:35:12.920 And then, I was 20 at the time, so, like, I was young and this was my high school sweetheart 0.96

05:35:19.080 and I was like, okay, sure.

05:35:21.160 But I don't want to be one of those couples that break up and get back together a thousand

05:35:24.360 times.

05:35:24.800 That's not what I want.

05:35:27.140 And so, overall, we got back together.

05:35:29.520 You know what you should have done?

05:35:30.640 Was he a white guy?

05:35:31.400 He was a white guy.

05:35:31.760 Yeah, he was a white guy. 0.99

05:35:32.580 You should have thrown it back in his face and just started watching, like, big black 1.00

05:35:37.520 and just pass out and eat that shit on my laptop. 1.00

05:35:42.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

05:35:42.940 And he comes home, he's like, fuck. 1.00

05:35:45.980 Just shit. 1.00

05:35:47.340 Yeah. 1.00

05:35:47.640 Yeah. 0.92

05:35:48.220 Just throw that in his face, you know.

05:35:50.440 Yeah, no, but overall, we just didn't work out.

05:35:53.880 Such a good idea.

05:35:54.580 So, we left each other, yeah, and then I found out the partner he had, same thing, and never

05:36:00.260 stopped.

05:36:00.660 You said that you went on a first date and the guy started talking about how his ex puts 1.00

05:36:04.440 peanut butter on her vag and lets him lick it off. 1.00

05:36:10.960 Pretty much. 1.00

05:36:11.880 I've only really dated three people.

05:36:14.600 Why would you not love that? 0.99

05:36:15.980 Damn, why are you going to... 0.99

05:36:16.680 That sounds like a party. 0.99

05:36:18.680 No, because it's, like, not first date material.

05:36:21.620 I think when you go on a first date, you know, you talk about yourselves, whatever.

05:36:24.140 It's, like, oh, you're bringing up their girlfriend already. 1.00

05:36:25.440 No, I want peanut butter on my pussy. 1.00

05:36:28.300 Literally. 1.00

05:36:29.040 And then the fact that he, like, thought I would still kind of, like, he's, like, sends 0.98

05:36:34.760 me, like, a dick pic later that night. 0.98

05:36:36.680 So, he disrespected you. 0.99

05:36:38.440 And I'm, like, it's not hot.

05:36:40.400 Like, you talking about your ex and how she used to get off from her dog is, like, not

05:36:44.740 what I wanted to do.

05:36:45.080 What, dog?

05:36:45.980 Yeah.

05:36:46.180 When did the dog get roll?

05:36:47.340 No.

05:36:47.900 You missed the part.

05:36:50.000 I thought that was the video.

05:36:51.500 Yeah.

05:36:52.120 Wait, what about the dog?

05:36:53.520 Oh.

05:36:54.140 Is that in there?

05:36:54.940 No.

05:36:55.140 I think it's...

05:36:55.960 It wasn't the boyfriend.

05:36:56.840 No, she put peanut butter on... 1.00

05:36:58.560 Sorry, I got mixed up.

05:36:59.700 Yeah, I thought it was the boyfriend.

05:37:01.420 I thought it was the boyfriend.

05:37:01.640 I thought it was the boyfriend.

05:37:03.240 Not the dog.

05:37:04.400 Wait.

05:37:04.780 Maybe I missed that.

05:37:05.760 Oh.

05:37:06.060 Let's go out.

05:37:06.760 Yeah.

05:37:06.860 Wait, his ex...

05:37:09.140 So, his girl... 0.91

05:37:09.880 Like, his ex-girl...

05:37:10.700 His ex-girlfriend... 0.99

05:37:12.000 She put the peanut butter... 1.00

05:37:13.440 Peanut butter on her vagina and let her dog leave. 1.00

05:37:15.780 Oh, my God. 1.00

05:37:16.700 I'd be calling the face. 1.00

05:37:17.580 I thought you were talking about the dude. 0.97

05:37:18.820 No, that's like first date material where that's why I'm not fucking talking to this 0.96

05:37:22.880 man ever again. 0.98

05:37:23.780 All right.

05:37:24.100 That's crazy.

05:37:24.680 It's like you think I would...

05:37:26.600 Like, who thinks that's okay? 0.98

05:37:28.100 It's like I don't want to be a bigger ex-girlfriend if she's fucking into bestiality or whatever. 0.98

05:37:34.200 Yeah. 0.98

05:37:34.680 We have Carly here.

05:37:36.880 Carly, you said you were with a guy for five years and he cheated on you with an 18...

05:37:40.620 Yeah, we talked about that.

05:37:42.600 Cheat on you with...

05:37:43.760 Yeah.

05:37:44.540 You said a lot of guys in Los Angeles only date models so they can say they're dating

05:37:48.640 a model.

05:37:49.260 We call them modelizers, like from Sex and the City.

05:37:53.140 They're fetishizing you. 0.99

05:37:54.740 Yeah.

05:37:54.920 But like an actual model or just a girl who like did like one or two shoots and she's 0.82

05:37:59.340 like claiming model?

05:38:00.660 Me?

05:38:01.380 No, not you.

05:38:02.120 I'm not talking about you.

05:38:02.780 Other people?

05:38:03.680 Yeah.

05:38:04.200 I mean, just literally anybody that like claims that they are, it's like the weirdest thing

05:38:08.980 because the second that I like, you know, broke up with my ex and whatever and started

05:38:13.140 like dating around again, that was like the first thing that anybody ever mentioned, anybody

05:38:19.280 ever talked about.

05:38:20.300 Like that was like it for a conversation about me and like, and then I'd be like, oh, like

05:38:26.180 have you been with like other people that are models before?

05:38:31.860 And they would always be like, yeah, my ex was a model and my ex before that.

05:38:36.200 And then like people will always be like, or I've heard guys be like, I like, yeah, I only

05:38:40.980 date models, blah, blah, blah.

05:38:42.180 But it's, they don't have to actually be like a real model.

05:38:46.880 They just have to be like.

05:38:47.120 So wait, you've had multiple encounters with men who say they only date models.

05:38:50.480 Oh yeah.

05:38:51.060 Like at least like five at least.

05:38:53.840 That's interesting.

05:38:54.780 I've never heard that one.

05:38:57.760 Only date, only date models.

05:38:59.580 I think it's like mainly, I don't know, maybe just in LA.

05:39:03.500 I don't know, but.

05:39:04.840 I mean, you were in.

05:39:05.680 I thought it was, that was fake.

05:39:07.200 I saw it in Sex and the City when that came out.

05:39:09.080 I didn't know that was a real thing.

05:39:10.660 Yeah.

05:39:10.780 I thought it was fake too.

05:39:12.360 Like I did not think that was a thing, but apparently.

05:39:15.120 You said you maybe like long, wait, maybe like long-term relationships and knowing when

05:39:20.920 a relationship has become more of a friendship than a romantic thing and dating again after

05:39:25.540 a long-term relationship.

05:39:27.060 Oh, so we're like at like dead bedroom.

05:39:29.460 Is that what you're talking about?

05:39:30.900 Like you're dating a guy and you stop having sex or.

05:39:33.160 Well, it was more like.

05:39:34.680 Sounds like it.

05:39:35.500 I mean.

05:39:36.340 A little bit.

05:39:37.900 Maybe, maybe.

05:39:39.180 Oh yeah.

05:39:39.380 Wait, is it like you didn't want to or he didn't want to?

05:39:42.640 Yeah.

05:39:43.160 Like, cause after like so long and if you're with someone who's just like not, like does

05:39:49.660 not treat you well and whatever, I don't know why I still stuck with him, whatever.

05:39:54.940 But after a while it was definitely just like a friendship.

05:39:57.680 But then he's like, come on, like.

05:40:01.680 Oh, he was still trying to, but.

05:40:03.260 Oh yeah.

05:40:03.700 You were not.

05:40:04.500 Yeah.

05:40:04.760 You were over.

05:40:05.480 It sounds like it.

05:40:06.180 Yeah.

05:40:06.520 You said you have a take that a lot of younger guys, especially in fraternities are emotionally 0.89

05:40:10.400 gay. 0.93

05:40:11.580 Like they're only interested in what other men think and if they like them or not.

05:40:15.200 Yeah, low key, like low key, sometimes they, well just in the terms of like they only seem

05:40:23.740 to care about what other guys think and what, how other guys feel and how their friends are

05:40:29.700 feeling and how these guys that they're like really, really close with feel, but they'll

05:40:36.780 like date a girl, show it off to all their friends, so they'll think they're cool, but 0.98

05:40:40.060 they won't actually like give a shit about their girlfriend. 0.99

05:40:43.500 The girl? 0.99

05:40:44.040 Yeah.

05:40:44.620 I mean, I think some, I mean, I think this is perhaps the case for both men and women,

05:40:48.480 like men, like if you're dating an attractive woman, that gives you a certain level of status

05:40:53.700 among other men.

05:40:54.520 I don't think that should be the like, that's like super low, at least for me, that'd be

05:40:58.880 like kind of irrelevant or super low on the totem pole, but I'm not really public like

05:41:02.640 that with my, like if I'm dating somebody, but, um, but I almost think though, isn't

05:41:08.700 it, I feel like women are way more concerned about the judgment of other women when it 1.00

05:41:12.580 comes to their partner than the reverse.

05:41:14.680 Like, I feel like you guys need the co-sign.

05:41:16.340 No, we date the old boys.

05:41:17.740 You need, you need, no, but you, maybe not even looks, but you need the co-sign from your

05:41:21.680 female friends.

05:41:22.260 Well, but you do it anyway.

05:41:23.200 You still date whoever you want, even if your girlfriend kind of hates them, you still do

05:41:27.960 it anyway.

05:41:28.600 It's more just to like get some confidence.

05:41:30.880 You said porn in social media has made men objectify women to the point of no longer being

05:41:35.000 able to actually have feelings for women, even if they're straight sexually. 0.57

05:41:40.700 Yeah.

05:41:40.800 Like that just kind of ties back into like the emotionally gay thing. 0.54

05:41:45.020 I just feel like a lot of times guys just like literally cannot see women as like human

05:41:49.920 beings that are equal to them.

05:41:51.380 Not necessarily all the time.

05:41:52.280 And it's not necessarily like super common, but I've seen it a lot and I feel like it definitely

05:41:56.880 does happen and it's just like not talked about. 0.98

05:41:59.520 And that's why a lot of relationships might be kind of shit. 0.97

05:42:03.220 I mean, that's how it was with my sister. 0.98

05:42:06.260 Like God, her exes just consistently were like, like that, like would only talk to his

05:42:14.000 friends, but then would come to her like when it was time to like hook up.

05:42:19.740 Oh, so they're okay.

05:42:21.940 I mean, I mean, that's more like hookup culture, I think.

05:42:25.400 But I guess when it comes to objectification, I mean, when it comes to like porn and social

05:42:29.760 media, I think there are men who are objectifying women, but a lot of these women are just

05:42:34.480 objectifying themselves, um, sexualizing themselves.

05:42:38.300 And it's like the modeling beauty, the like modeling beauty sex industry. 0.99

05:42:42.480 It's like so dominated by women. 1.00

05:42:43.900 These women are just, I don't know if that's what you're talking about. 1.00

05:42:47.080 No, I mean, I'm not saying it's not, I'm just saying like the whole thing is like, you know,

05:42:52.100 it's not great for.

05:42:56.360 Well, I mean, I think like there are a lot of men have like porn brain and they've just

05:43:01.080 been like, and they follow all these like IG chicks on Instagram and they're like liking 0.65

05:43:06.140 the photo.

05:43:06.500 This is a really common complaint I hear from women. 1.00

05:43:08.800 Like, oh, I don't want to date a guy who's like following all these IG girls and liking their

05:43:12.820 photos.

05:43:13.180 Like I feel, uh, uncomfortable or insecure in the relationship.

05:43:16.500 And I, I mean, but my prescriptive advice is like, as men, you shouldn't be following

05:43:22.420 girls on Instagram.

05:43:25.000 You shouldn't be watching. 0.87

05:43:26.180 I don't think like my personal approach, I don't think men should watch porn or at least 0.95

05:43:33.180 limit it like substantially.

05:43:35.060 Yeah.

05:43:35.320 I mean, I definitely agree with that.

05:43:37.160 It's a lot harder to have an emotional connection with a woman when you're just constantly seeing 1.00

05:43:42.760 women in that specific area. 1.00

05:43:45.880 You got, I mean, I don't, if I'm in a relationship, I don't watch porn at all.

05:43:50.420 Um, and I, you got to save your energy for your girl. 1.00

05:43:53.840 Like you can't be jerking off. 1.00

05:43:56.720 Yeah. 1.00

05:43:57.080 Yeah.

05:43:57.200 Yeah.

05:43:58.000 You need to, come on.

05:43:58.920 Like, I hate when people are like this though.

05:44:01.180 What do you mean?

05:44:01.840 As in they only busted not once, like in a day, I feel like you need to actually like

05:44:06.060 work for it and get to that third knot. 0.83

05:44:07.480 Yeah.

05:44:07.720 Like, cause then it's so much.

05:44:09.020 Have some skills more meaningful.

05:44:10.560 The guy or the guy?

05:44:11.260 Yeah.

05:44:11.420 The guy.

05:44:12.600 I don't know.

05:44:13.180 I'm 35.

05:44:13.880 I'm maybe when I was 18, you know, 23.

05:44:18.180 Okay.

05:44:19.040 I'm good.

05:44:20.080 One a day.

05:44:20.580 I'm okay.

05:44:21.260 I feel like when you get there though, it's the barrel orgasm.

05:44:24.780 The third, fourth, fifth, one.

05:44:26.180 I'm like in pain.

05:44:27.100 That's the time. 1.00

05:44:28.400 Shit. 1.00

05:44:29.580 God damn. 1.00

05:44:30.160 When was the last time you tried? 1.00

05:44:30.980 Um, when's the last time, honestly, I can't believe I'm going to answer this fucking question. 0.99

05:44:38.040 Um, when's the last time I've had three orgasms in a day? 0.99

05:44:41.880 Hold on.

05:44:42.300 Let me think.

05:44:42.820 Yeah. 0.62

05:44:43.080 You're lazy if you just spunk him off. 0.89

05:44:44.320 She was the mouth that got away. 0.90

05:44:45.880 There's this one girl.

05:44:48.220 She just, I don't know. 1.00

05:44:50.380 It was fucking Trump. 0.99

05:44:52.660 The first Trump administration. 1.00

05:44:54.220 How about that?

05:44:54.940 Oh man.

05:44:55.960 Yeah.

05:44:56.180 It's been a, look, I'm good.

05:44:58.020 Once.

05:44:58.720 Sometimes I'll do twice.

05:44:59.920 Okay.

05:45:00.520 Sometimes.

05:45:01.940 I don't know.

05:45:03.700 Look, after what, once.

05:45:05.220 Gotta work on that.

05:45:06.040 Yeah, men are lazy these days.

05:45:07.280 Why y'all, no, hold on.

05:45:08.200 Just to be clear.

05:45:08.720 Just to be clear.

05:45:09.400 First off, the girl has to come first. 1.00

05:45:11.080 If possible, she's going to come multiple times. 0.91

05:45:13.440 But, I'm not trying to have like sex ten times in the night. 0.69

05:45:18.560 She has to do my laundry. 1.00

05:45:19.640 Weak.

05:45:20.220 She has to do my, oh, chill out. 0.88

05:45:21.700 Beta male.

05:45:22.440 Chill out.

05:45:23.500 She, she has to do my, there's time for her to do my laundry and bow and cook dinner. 1.00

05:45:30.080 Okay. 0.95

05:45:30.440 That's the time that's, also, it's like sex. 0.96

05:45:34.060 It's like, okay, look, you've had sex. 0.97

05:45:37.420 Sex is great. 0.99

05:45:38.180 Don't get me wrong. 0.79

05:45:39.020 Sex is great. 0.99

05:45:39.600 Right.

05:45:39.940 But it's like, how about the other like 12 hours I'm spending with you? 1.00

05:45:44.280 Like, you have to make yourself more appealing than just having a pussy. 1.00

05:45:49.160 Not some of us. 1.00

05:45:50.940 That was it.

05:45:51.620 Not some of us.

05:45:53.160 I don't know.

05:45:54.420 I don't know. 0.94

05:45:54.880 I can't imagine you having sex. 0.82

05:45:57.760 I'm trying to picture it in my head. 0.63

05:45:59.380 That's, don't visualize it.

05:46:01.440 I don't consent to you visualizing it.

05:46:04.300 I do not.

05:46:05.580 I'm undressing you with my eyes.

05:46:09.300 That's crazy.

05:46:10.920 Should we draw fan art later?

05:46:12.340 Yeah.

05:46:12.720 What was I?

05:46:16.160 I don't know where I was going with this.

05:46:18.080 Why did I reveal this?

05:46:19.960 Terrible.

05:46:20.720 I do appreciate it.

05:46:21.800 To move on, I did have a quick question as I was thinking about this.

05:46:27.320 So, Lily, kind of back to this other thing we were talking about.

05:46:29.740 Just briefly.

05:46:30.420 Very briefly.

05:46:31.660 I was thinking about how this sounds out loud.

05:46:35.720 If I said, if my daughter came to me and she was like, 1.00

05:46:40.640 Dad, I want to fuck a thousand dudes in a day to set a record. 1.00

05:46:46.940 Oh, yeah. 1.00

05:46:47.340 And I was like, well, honey, that's against my moral values.

05:46:50.500 And if you do that, I'm going to have to distance myself from you 0.98

05:46:54.120 because that's disgusting and gross. 0.74

05:46:56.460 Would your response actually be, why don't you love me, Daddy? 0.93

05:47:00.480 I never.

05:47:02.340 See, we're going back in this circle again.

05:47:05.140 I believe.

05:47:07.460 When I say it out loud, it actually sounds even worse.

05:47:12.460 So, your daughter comes to you, you're a man, and says, 1.00

05:47:16.060 I'm going to fuck one thousand men in a day. 1.00

05:47:22.520 And he's like, listen, this is completely... 1.00

05:47:24.800 There is nothing morally wrong with fucking a thousand guys in a day. 0.99

05:47:28.680 He says, this is completely against my moral code. 0.99

05:47:31.840 If you do this, until this behavior stops,

05:47:35.140 I don't want anything else to do with you.

05:47:36.900 Really, you think that that's him not loving you?

05:47:41.220 Like, really?

05:47:42.020 For me, personally, if I was a parent and my child wanted to do sex work,

05:47:48.320 and that would then be my thing to be like,

05:47:51.680 okay, I want to guide them through it.

05:47:53.700 I want to, you know, make sure they get all the information.

05:47:58.300 I don't just want to abandon them and unlove them.

05:48:01.040 You know what I mean?

05:48:01.540 Like, I think it makes no sense to just... 1.00

05:48:04.900 Yeah, I want to fuck one thousand men in a single day. 1.00

05:48:08.140 Honey, please don't do this. 1.00

05:48:10.140 This is reputationally damaging to you.

05:48:12.040 It's horrible for our family.

05:48:13.220 It's awful what you're doing.

05:48:14.560 Please don't do it.

05:48:15.720 If you do, I've got to turn my back and tell you at least stop this behavior.

05:48:19.740 Daddy, why don't you love me?

05:48:21.880 Like, really?

05:48:22.420 Does that even make sense to you?

05:48:24.380 Oh, my God.

05:48:25.040 We're going to go around in circles.

05:48:26.380 Like, I'm going to agree to disagree.

05:48:27.600 I firmly believe that as a parent that, like, you should always love

05:48:31.440 and stick by your child, whatever they go through and whatever they do.

05:48:37.460 Yeah, no, but I haven't agreed to disagree.

05:48:39.220 Like, if you agree to disagree, we both agree.

05:48:41.780 But I haven't actually heard your disagreement.

05:48:44.400 Does that actually sound correct to you?

05:48:47.020 I don't want to keep arguing with you because I know what I believe in.

05:48:51.600 The thing is, I don't really care to keep arguing with you

05:48:54.260 because I'm not going to change your opinion

05:48:55.620 and you're not going to change mine.

05:48:57.600 There's tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands,

05:49:00.320 perhaps millions who watch the clips of the exchange here

05:49:03.120 who do want to know the answer.

05:49:05.540 So I do want to know the actual answer here.

05:49:07.700 The answer to, but, Dad, you just don't love me 0.99

05:49:11.280 because he turned his back if you fucked 1,000 men in a day. 0.99

05:49:15.440 Do you actually stand behind that? 1.00

05:49:17.180 Fucking people. 1.00

05:49:18.040 That that's not him loving you. 1.00

05:49:19.000 Hang on, hang on.

05:49:19.560 Let me ask the question.

05:49:20.740 Do you actually stand behind the fact that that's him not loving you?

05:49:24.760 A hundred percent, yes.

05:49:26.720 I think you should stand by your child whatever they do.

05:49:29.860 All right.

05:49:32.880 Thank you.

05:49:33.720 It's all I have.

05:49:35.300 Okay.

05:49:37.800 Let's see if there's anything more here with, Carly, your notes.

05:49:40.540 Because, yeah, men should stop watching porn.

05:49:46.400 No offense to you guys that do that thing.

05:49:49.820 But I feel like this is a pretty common standard for women 0.58

05:49:58.060 or maybe even a preference.

05:50:00.120 I think most women would prefer if their boyfriend wasn't watching porn. 0.99

05:50:06.260 Yeah, I mean, I feel like that is pretty standard.

05:50:11.080 You said that you have a take that higher body count on a guy-girl 0.99

05:50:14.800 actually makes for better long-term relationship material.

05:50:18.500 I forgot I wrote that.

05:50:19.500 Yeah.

05:50:19.640 You did write that.

05:50:20.580 Yeah, low-key.

05:50:21.340 Okay.

05:50:21.520 Because, I don't know.

05:50:23.660 In the guy or in the woman or both?

05:50:25.360 It doesn't matter.

05:50:26.320 It doesn't matter.

05:50:27.020 Because, I mean, I feel like, well, as long as it's like, you know,

05:50:30.140 they're clean, whatever.

05:50:32.080 Yeah, but why does it make for a better long-term relationship?

05:50:34.720 Because, A, they've had experience, they've been around,

05:50:37.300 they've seen things, they know what they like,

05:50:39.580 they know what they don't like,

05:50:41.080 they know what kind of people they get along with,

05:50:43.160 they know what kind of people they don't, blah, blah, blah.

05:50:45.820 And so then, like, if they're wanting to get into, like,

05:50:48.160 an actual relationship with you and, like, genuinely just stick to you,

05:50:52.260 then, like...

05:50:53.080 They're more likely to stick it out in a relationship?

05:50:55.920 Yeah.

05:50:56.360 Well, I mean, there is, like, the sexual compatibility component,

05:50:59.720 but, like, when it comes to knowing what you like in terms of a person,

05:51:04.720 I don't know if you necessarily need to have sex 0.94

05:51:06.580 or have sex with a lot of different people

05:51:08.080 to be able to make determinations as to, like, personality assessments.

05:51:12.100 No, not necessarily.

05:51:13.560 Like, I definitely agree that you don't have to, you know,

05:51:16.300 have, like, a high body count to be a good partner.

05:51:19.320 Right.

05:51:19.560 I just think that, you know, there's a lot of stigma around that,

05:51:22.880 and a lot of people are like, oh, that's gross.

05:51:24.720 So do you think body count, like, should not matter?

05:51:27.780 I mean, personally, for me, it doesn't matter.

05:51:31.180 Like, but other people have, like, their own opinions and their own takes.

05:51:36.040 And do you think men who do care about body count,

05:51:38.640 do you think that they're insecure for caring about it?

05:51:43.020 I mean, maybe, like, a little bit.

05:51:45.240 I think it's mainly, like, if they keep bringing it up

05:51:49.460 and they, like, compare themselves and they, like, just, you know,

05:51:54.020 it's, like, a little thing, like, an issue that you can't get rid of.

05:51:57.960 Then that's, like.

05:51:58.960 Going around the table, do you think body count matters?

05:52:01.960 And do you think men who do care about body count,

05:52:04.960 who maybe would disqualify a woman if she had a high body count, 1.00

05:52:09.020 whatever that might be for him,

05:52:10.900 do you think that would be him being insecure, starting with you, Ayla?

05:52:13.940 Uh, yes, it would be him being insecure,

05:52:18.620 but also I strongly defend the right of people to be insecure.

05:52:21.300 And I think this is fine.

05:52:22.180 Preferences.

05:52:23.000 Yeah.

05:52:23.160 Okay.

05:52:23.620 I think this is good.

05:52:24.560 Uh, Candace, what do you think?

05:52:26.800 Um, I don't think it matters.

05:52:29.680 Um, I don't think body count matters.

05:52:31.640 I'm more interested in, like, why a person's having sex or a lot of sex.

05:52:36.120 Um, because you can, I think you can do the same thing with different intentions.

05:52:40.960 And, yeah, I would agree.

05:52:42.940 I think everyone has the right to their preferences.

05:52:44.860 So if someone doesn't like a high body count, that's totally fine.

05:52:47.900 But I do think that there tends to be a link to some insecurity with that.

05:52:52.220 Sure.

05:52:52.460 But again, if you link it to, like, just, like, bad behavior and decision-making in general,

05:52:55.960 and then you see a pattern that's, like, not just isolated to sexual encounters,

05:52:59.340 and that would be worrisome for sure.

05:53:01.280 Okay.

05:53:01.920 Lily, what about you?

05:53:02.860 What do you think?

05:53:03.900 I do kind of think body count matters,

05:53:06.180 but more in the way of it makes you a better partner in bed.

05:53:10.100 Like, you would want boxing lessons off the guy who's had a thousand fights versus the

05:53:15.620 guy who's had one fight.

05:53:19.760 Wouldn't, wouldn't you want, though, in a boxing match to box the guy who has no boxing experience?

05:53:27.760 No, no lessons off, lessons off, sorry.

05:53:30.620 I know, I know, but I was just changing the analogy a little bit.

05:53:33.200 But, okay, so, body count to you doesn't matter?

05:53:36.760 As in, I think it does matter because I think it makes you a better partner in bed.

05:53:42.980 I see.

05:53:43.440 Okay, what about you?

05:53:44.360 I don't think it matters.

05:53:45.340 I think that patterns matter, which just kind of speaks to what she was saying.

05:53:49.480 So, if someone's, like, almost like you see a sex addiction pattern where it's, like, 0.97

05:53:53.880 they're just every other night finding a new person to fuck. 1.00

05:53:56.160 That type of pattern matters to me much more than the body count. 0.96

05:54:00.320 Okay, and are men who do care or would disqualify a woman based solely on her body count?

05:54:05.600 Do you think that's, are they insecure?

05:54:07.440 Is it wrong?

05:54:07.720 I think it speaks to some insecurity.

05:54:09.220 I think, again, there's some preference there, though, too.

05:54:11.420 I think it's hard to analyze everybody's brain.

05:54:13.260 Sure, Carly, well, I think you gave your take, right?

05:54:15.980 Yeah.

05:54:16.460 What about you?

05:54:16.820 I think it's all circumstantial and individual.

05:54:23.180 I don't think that you paint everybody with one brush.

05:54:28.140 Everybody's different.

05:54:29.500 So, to me, it matters.

05:54:31.180 I don't judge people for their high body counts, though.

05:54:33.660 Do you think a man would be insecure if he cared about a woman's body count,

05:54:36.660 didn't want to date her because of it?

05:54:38.020 I mean, if you're going to date a porn star,

05:54:40.500 then I don't think you should care about her body count.

05:54:42.960 If you want to date somebody.

05:54:44.780 She's not a porn star. 0.97

05:54:47.780 But she has a high body count. 1.00

05:54:50.240 Well, is she broke? 0.99

05:54:52.960 She's a broke-ass-o. 1.00

05:54:55.080 Shit. 1.00

05:54:56.280 Fucking broke-ass-os over here. 1.00

05:54:58.020 Not you guys. 1.00

05:54:58.420 Not you guys.

05:54:58.960 Not you guys.

05:55:00.680 Vaguely in general.

05:55:02.520 I think, again, like.

05:55:04.160 In the California area.

05:55:06.200 Okay, that's fine.

05:55:07.020 What about you?

05:55:10.140 Yes, 100%.

05:55:11.780 Insecure for the guy to care about that?

05:55:13.380 Oh, no, no.

05:55:14.040 He's, yeah, that's totally.

05:55:15.460 Okay, body count matters.

05:55:16.820 Is it insecure?

05:55:17.460 Body count matters.

05:55:17.900 I don't think it's insecure.

05:55:18.440 What about you?

05:55:20.280 I think it depends on the person,

05:55:22.420 but I think body count does matter

05:55:25.160 because it conveys what sort of, quote-unquote, experience you have.

05:55:30.600 I don't necessarily think it's insecure for a person to care about it.

05:55:34.580 I think if they care about it, they might have their own reasons.

05:55:39.780 Okay.

05:55:40.700 All right.

05:55:41.800 Well, so some of you said body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter.

05:55:48.920 Curious to know.

05:55:49.740 What's your body count starting with our good friend, Lily? 1.00

05:55:52.520 Fuck off. 1.00

05:55:53.300 Come on. 1.00

05:55:54.200 What is it?

05:55:54.820 You think I know?

05:55:56.780 Range.

05:55:57.480 Give us a range.

05:56:00.840 What was it last time?

05:56:02.420 I can't remember what I said last time.

05:56:04.420 Because last time, well, it still didn't count last time.

05:56:07.700 I'm going to go right now.

05:56:09.060 It's probably between 500 to 1,000.

05:56:11.980 That's the range I'd guess.

05:56:12.980 500 to 1,000.

05:56:13.980 Yeah.

05:56:14.220 Okay.

05:56:15.000 All right.

05:56:17.060 Ayla, and then we'll go around this way, starting with you.

05:56:19.540 Go ahead.

05:56:20.360 Probably low 500s and 109 free.

05:56:23.300 Wait, 109 free?

05:56:26.160 Like unpaid.

05:56:27.360 Unpaid.

05:56:27.900 Okay.

05:56:28.600 How many do you think paid?

05:56:30.480 Well, I have a CRM, but I haven't updated in a bit.

05:56:33.600 So probably around 450, I think, clients I've had.

05:56:37.500 Do you have an exact number or not quite?

05:56:39.400 I can go look.

05:56:40.200 I did look up the exact number at one point,

05:56:41.820 but my guess is right.

05:56:42.960 It's over.

05:56:43.360 It's about 500.

05:56:44.980 My guess is around 450 paid and around,

05:56:47.280 it's 109 specifically.

05:56:48.840 I have a spreadsheet unpaid.

05:56:51.120 109 unpaid, 500 paid.

05:56:54.580 450-ish, but yeah.

05:56:55.760 Or 450.

05:56:56.460 So roughly the total should be low 500s, maybe 550.

05:57:00.820 Okay.

05:57:01.320 Got it.

05:57:01.620 I don't want to claim more valor than I have.

05:57:04.140 All right.

05:57:05.380 What about you?

05:57:06.980 Personal life is nine.

05:57:09.360 Okay.

05:57:09.500 And for work, I don't know.

05:57:11.300 Because someone pulled up my, I guess there's an explicit version of IMDb, basically.

05:57:17.720 And it says all of your scenes, but it includes solos.

05:57:20.960 And I don't know if we're counting women.

05:57:22.960 Right.

05:57:23.100 So that's all lumped in there.

05:57:24.640 Yeah.

05:57:24.820 Counting the scenes.

05:57:25.720 Yeah.

05:57:25.940 Yeah.

05:57:26.220 I don't know.

05:57:26.720 So when I first started working, I would work with like 12 guys and that was it.

05:57:29.620 And just kind of go through that.

05:57:31.300 I was going to say this.

05:57:32.140 It's pretty low for me.

05:57:34.500 So nine civilian life.

05:57:37.320 And you said like 12.

05:57:38.740 Well, no, I started with 12 and then towards the end of my career, I added a couple because

05:57:43.040 I was working in the UK a lot and they're different performers, but it's not, it's not

05:57:47.440 very high.

05:57:47.860 Maybe 15 to 20 or something like that.

05:57:48.860 That sounds about right.

05:57:50.040 All right.

05:57:50.440 What about you?

05:57:51.480 I have to estimate probably between 23 and 28.

05:57:55.520 23 to 28.

05:57:57.200 Eight.

05:57:57.460 Okay.

05:57:58.480 Mine's actually eight because I was in a long term relationship.

05:58:02.900 Oh, okay.

05:58:04.020 Eight because you were in a long term relationship.

05:58:06.400 All right.

05:58:08.180 Go ahead.

05:58:12.540 I don't really want to answer this question.

05:58:15.300 You don't want to.

05:58:16.520 No, I don't. 0.98

05:58:17.240 I'll tell you the amount of men that I've wanted to have sex with that I had sex with

05:58:22.300 and it's probably about six or seven that I was like, this guy is somebody I want to

05:58:28.180 let in.

05:58:30.160 Okay.

05:58:31.040 Yeah.

05:58:31.580 Wait, didn't you say something about body count or like you're like asking like, how

05:58:36.200 do you count it?

05:58:36.900 Okay.

05:58:39.680 Huh.

05:58:41.020 Okay.

05:58:42.300 Is that, is that an answer?

05:58:44.620 I don't like.

05:58:46.380 It is because she's sending it non-consensual.

05:58:48.640 Well, like I wouldn't say like it was.

05:58:50.640 Were some of the.

05:58:51.480 No, she didn't actually say non-consensual.

05:58:53.460 No, I said she's sentient. 0.99

05:58:54.540 Yeah, it was just like, it wasn't like that I, it's like that I let or that I felt sorry

05:58:59.040 for, like, you know, I don't want to count those guys because it wasn't something.

05:59:04.940 But if you, if you did count those people, you did actually consent to.

05:59:08.220 Who was that?

05:59:09.940 Hold on.

05:59:11.320 Hold on.

05:59:20.640 So you were just saying that you don't want 0.92

05:59:40.480 to include people where it was like pity sex. 0.91

05:59:43.260 Yeah.

05:59:43.560 Or something like just that, like.

05:59:46.380 But if you, if you included everybody you consented to.

05:59:49.640 Not people.

05:59:49.980 Because I like, I wanted to.

05:59:51.120 That was like.

05:59:52.440 No, no, no, no.

05:59:53.040 I like this guy.

05:59:53.420 I don't have to do that.

05:59:54.180 No, no, no, no.

05:59:54.800 Hang on, hang on.

05:59:56.340 Not wanted to, but consented to.

05:59:59.780 I think that's a fine line on that consent thing because, um, I don't want to claim that

06:00:08.920 like I was our S8 or anything like that because I put myself in those positions.

06:00:14.160 Um, but I don't think that they warrant one of my numbers.

06:00:21.300 Why not?

06:00:22.580 If you, I mean, if you consented to the set.

06:00:24.520 I, to me, consent is like, I'm horny and do that to me right now. 0.99

06:00:31.840 Yeah, but like a pity fuck is consent for sure. 0.99

06:00:34.320 Not because I was like, you know. 0.99

06:00:35.680 Wouldn't you agree at least like pity, a pity fuck is definitely consent? 0.98

06:00:42.840 Um, what if I like didn't, like, if I regretted it after. 0.99

06:00:49.900 Yeah, regret, regret.

06:00:51.020 And like.

06:00:51.760 So a lot of times, a lot of times.

06:00:53.240 Yeah, yeah.

06:00:55.000 So when it comes to regret, for instance, there's many, many cases I can cite of women

06:01:01.460 who regretted sleeping with a man the next day and then called an S8 and then when it

06:01:05.900 was investigated, it was clearly, hang on, it was clearly not the case.

06:01:09.900 What I'm asking is what the count is that you actually consented to that was not S8.

06:01:17.420 I don't think that you're understanding my position when I'm letting you know that like, I don't want to call it S8 because I put myself there, but I didn't go there with the intention that I wanted to do that.

06:01:43.500 But like, it had happened because, you know, out of just like not leaving me alone until it happened or like, you know, all kinds of different scenarios. 0.66

06:01:58.320 And I learned from each one of them and I felt every time I got, I walked away from those, I felt like shit and I didn't feel good about myself.

06:02:09.780 And so I didn't put myself in those positions anymore. 0.85

06:02:12.040 It kind of took me a little bit of a while to figure it out.

06:02:15.020 Yeah, there's this one time where I was in the middle, it was in Helldivers 2.

06:02:19.700 I was in the middle of this bug hunt and we were just destroying everything.

06:02:23.160 It was great.

06:02:23.700 My wife came over and she's like, let's go to the bedroom. 1.00

06:02:26.720 And I was like, no, I'm in the middle of Helldivers 2 and I'm just destroying everything.

06:02:31.220 And she was like, no, we got to go to the bedroom. 0.99

06:02:33.960 And I was like, damn it. 0.99

06:02:35.220 And I went and I failed the raid. 1.00

06:02:37.220 It sucked, right? 0.77

06:02:38.820 I couldn't believe it that this had happened, right? 0.97

06:02:43.040 But it did.

06:02:44.380 And I totally consented to it. 0.99

06:02:46.100 So the thing is, is like, I'm not asking about your fucking regret because I don't give a shit about your regret. 0.97

06:02:50.120 I'm asking if it was not S8, what's the actual body count? 0.98

06:02:53.520 That's what I'm asking.

06:02:54.180 Under 35.

06:03:05.180 Okay.

06:03:05.880 Thank you.

06:03:06.380 I appreciate that.

06:03:07.260 What about you?

06:03:09.120 21.

06:03:12.220 A single digit.

06:03:13.960 I've only ever been in long-term relationships, but that's between me and God.

06:03:20.840 Okay.

06:03:21.520 All right.

06:03:21.820 We have Davon Jackson here.

06:03:25.060 What exactly is the insecurity? 0.97

06:03:26.680 I can be confident that I'm the best lay out of a thousand and still not want to date your nasty bunnies. 1.00

06:03:33.480 Thank you, Davon. 0.72

06:03:34.480 Thank you, Davon.

06:03:35.720 I do appreciate the message, sir.

06:03:38.660 Much appreciated.

06:03:39.200 We also have some super chats.

06:03:40.480 We have John.

06:03:41.820 John, you know, guys, W's in the chat for John for the big $200 super chat.

06:03:46.980 Thank you so much, man.

06:03:48.320 No more pronouns.

06:03:49.640 Praise the Lord.

06:03:51.400 Wow.

06:03:51.620 Thank you, John.

06:03:52.120 Appreciate it.

06:03:52.560 Why are we interviewing girls rejected from the bunny ranch? 0.90

06:03:55.940 Hello.

06:03:57.020 Has anybody here been rejected from the bunny ranch?

06:03:59.820 What's the bunny ranch?

06:04:01.160 It's a brothel, I guess, in Vegas. 1.00

06:04:04.060 All right, John.

06:04:04.760 Thank you for the two super chats, man.

06:04:06.260 That was very generous of you.

06:04:07.360 Much appreciated.

06:04:08.120 Guys, if you want, get a TTS in $200.

06:04:11.020 We've got a few more things.

06:04:11.940 Then we're going to try to get this wrapped up here pretty soon.

06:04:13.980 Let me just check the notes.

06:04:17.300 I think we got, okay, we're just going to do Candice's notes, and that's pretty much it.

06:04:22.180 Then we'll do like a roast session, then wrap.

06:04:24.780 A roast session.

06:04:25.680 A roast session.

06:04:26.400 This whole show.

06:04:27.560 I guess that's fair.

06:04:29.640 That's fair.

06:04:30.460 He hasn't started yet.

06:04:31.640 From the very beginning, that's fair.

06:04:35.520 So, Candice, you have an IMDb bio.

06:04:38.800 Oh, boy.

06:04:39.720 It starts by describing you as buxom and shapely.

06:04:45.420 5'3 brunette knockout of mixed Spanish and Japanese descent.

06:04:49.880 How do you feel, Candice, being called buxom?

06:04:53.600 I didn't even know what that was.

06:04:55.220 What is buxom?

06:04:56.060 I don't know.

06:04:56.920 I would be guessing.

06:04:57.700 I think it's like kind of, it's like an energy thing, right?

06:05:01.220 Like feisty?

06:05:03.180 Oh, no, buxom.

06:05:04.360 Real smart. 0.99

06:05:05.840 Of a woman, plump, especially with large breasts. 0.95

06:05:11.780 Very flattering.

06:05:13.300 I don't know if that's flattering.

06:05:14.180 No, it's not.

06:05:14.880 None of that has been flattering.

06:05:17.260 Let's see here.

06:05:18.360 You said that you see, we'll save that for later.

06:05:23.340 Hold on.

06:05:24.100 Body count, really?

06:05:26.900 We were just talking about it.

06:05:28.160 I saw you were on this podcast.

06:05:30.580 You claim that the average is 5.

06:05:34.120 And was this like based off of other people's data?

06:05:37.980 No, I mean, you can probably Google it and like see what studies will pop up.

06:05:41.440 But it's referenced a lot in a lot of like evolutionary psychology or like professional

06:05:46.180 date, like dating psychologists.

06:05:48.000 There's this one guy in Britain.

06:05:49.020 I can't remember his name.

06:05:50.280 He's got great hair.

06:05:51.540 He does all of the rotations, but it was one of his podcasts that he was going through

06:05:55.680 the research.

06:05:56.340 I think he's in Cambridge, maybe.

06:05:57.980 Do you know the date of the, because I've heard the five number since like the 90s.

06:06:02.920 So.

06:06:03.200 No, I mean, they were, I don't know when the research was conducted.

06:06:05.920 No.

06:06:06.820 I actually thought it was pretty low.

06:06:08.640 Like, and then I was wondering if people were being honest with self-reporting.

06:06:11.560 And then that's why I asked Ayla earlier today, I was like, do you believe that it's

06:06:14.920 five?

06:06:15.200 Because that seems exceptionally low.

06:06:16.960 But I think it's also skewed because when you go online, everything that generates the

06:06:21.000 most views and gets the most, um, like it pops up on the most algorithms, algorithms,

06:06:25.760 yeah, the algorithms is, um, like the more salacious takes.

06:06:30.480 So we think that being promiscuous is more common than it actually is.

06:06:34.100 I, I've seen some other studies that put it a little bit higher, like seven, eight.

06:06:39.020 I, I still think that that's dubious though.

06:06:41.140 And then I also do wonder like, what is the age cohort of the people that they're looking

06:06:45.000 at?

06:06:45.340 Cause I wonder if you're like pulling from like an, like your, your, uh, surveying,

06:06:50.260 like part of the survey includes like 70 and 80 year olds.

06:06:53.360 I don't know like how material that would be to like sort of the modern dating landscape.

06:06:58.440 What age would you be interested in?

06:07:00.420 What, in dating?

06:07:01.400 No, no, no, no, no.

06:07:02.000 Like to know to have the information.

06:07:03.400 I think like 18 to 40 is 18 to 18 to a big gap.

06:07:08.040 It is.

06:07:08.540 And there's a lot of differences between like, you know, Gen Z, millennials, it is, but like

06:07:13.700 18 to 35 is like, I, the cohort of people that are like more likely to be single that

06:07:20.700 you're more likely to encounter, uh, when you're dating.

06:07:23.760 But, um, I have the data on this at least, I mean, it's a relatively liberal population,

06:07:27.940 so it's probably slightly inflated, but it raises at least the median.

06:07:31.380 I mean, if you, depending on if you want the median average raises to around 10, um, when

06:07:36.360 people hit about 40, so 10 at 40.

06:07:39.460 Yeah.

06:07:39.620 So my guess is it's slightly inflated, but not significantly.

06:07:41.680 I'm just wondering if they're like, including the 60 and 70 year olds.

06:07:44.460 They're so far removed from the dating pool.

06:07:46.860 So the, the, the graph goes like this and it slowly evens out at 40 with a very slight

06:07:51.180 increase at that point.

06:07:52.120 So like 50, 60 year olds in my data were closer to like, maybe I think it was like 15 people

06:07:57.400 or something, but this is median, not average.

06:07:59.680 So median is like when you split the population half and half and then average outliers can

06:08:03.600 pull it up really high.

06:08:04.440 The average body count for older people in my data set specifically, which again is liberal,

06:08:09.360 uh, was around like, I think a mid low twenties, 20 something.

06:08:12.780 Um, and when you say older people, like 40 to 50, like people in their fifties and sixties,

06:08:17.820 my sample size for that was a lot lower.

06:08:19.440 So low confidence.

06:08:20.680 Interesting.

06:08:21.220 Okay.

06:08:21.700 And do you like, if we're looking at projections, do you think like people are 20 now?

06:08:25.980 Do you think that that'll be their body counts when they're 50?

06:08:29.140 I mean, unclear.

06:08:29.740 Like I didn't, I didn't track across time.

06:08:31.620 It's possible that like different generational pressures will cause different body counts.

06:08:35.180 Yeah.

06:08:36.120 But to me, it's like, I don't know.

06:08:40.040 Um, going to college five, I don't know.

06:08:46.440 Going to college is in itself a big selection.

06:08:48.940 Like a lot of women, like majority of people go to college. 1.00

06:08:51.800 Uh, what is it?

06:08:52.300 Like 60% of people?

06:08:53.640 And well, there's more, there's even more women who go to college, but like, I remember 1.00

06:08:57.560 when I was in college and this was before the dating apps.

06:09:01.460 Granted, I, Sam Barber's a bit of a party anyways. 0.97

06:09:05.360 Maybe I'm biased a little bit here, but, um, the one, the shit I saw anecdotes. 0.97

06:09:10.460 And then just like, if a woman has a five body count in her first freshman fall quarter 1.00

06:09:17.660 semester, she's a saint.

06:09:20.680 Like, I mean, not really, but like, that's kind of like, it's kind of relatively, it's

06:09:28.280 kind of low.

06:09:28.820 Like where I grew up is extremely high.

06:09:30.760 I think this is very cultural.

06:09:32.780 Like, like the, cause I mean, my own experience is like going out a lot of these girls Thursday,

06:09:38.600 Friday, Saturday night, they're in college, they're drinking, partying, doing drugs.

06:09:42.940 And like, I think actually there's some studies that indicate that, uh, like Gen Z, they're 0.56

06:09:47.880 actually drinking and partying way less.

06:09:50.420 Um, I think there's probably a bunch of reasons for that.

06:09:52.420 But like when I was in college, like it was super, super common.

06:09:55.760 Like you were an outlier if you weren't like partying in college, uh, partying, drinking

06:10:00.380 in college.

06:10:00.900 Right now it seems anyways, with Gen Z, it's a little bit shifting, a little different, 1.00

06:10:05.120 but like these girls would go out and sleep with a new guy maybe once a week. 1.00

06:10:10.960 Sometimes they do like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, maybe one, two, three guys in a weekend.

06:10:17.120 Yeah.

06:10:17.720 So for a girl to just like have a, like you say the average is five, I'm thinking back 0.90

06:10:22.420 to my college experiences.

06:10:23.500 I'm like, they do that.

06:10:25.040 They do 10 or 20 their fresh, like their freshman year.

06:10:28.980 No, I agree.

06:10:29.700 I have serious doubts too.

06:10:31.680 It's just the person that was, I'm bringing up the study and I don't know if you can find

06:10:35.860 it or not, or like at least that podcast host that was, um, saying the statistic, it

06:10:40.340 didn't seem truthful.

06:10:42.100 Well, a lot of the U S is very religious.

06:10:44.200 I mean, were those people going and partying religious?

06:10:46.980 Like my guess is you like fell into a certain section of people that were likely to party.

06:10:51.300 All the religious people are staying home. 1.00

06:10:53.680 Wait a second.

06:10:54.140 When you say a good portion of the U S is very religious, what do we mean by very religious?

06:10:59.180 Do we mean that they self-identify as being religious or do we mean that they're actually

06:11:04.320 practicing the religion?

06:11:06.520 Yeah.

06:11:06.660 I think we could check maybe church attendance as a proxy.

06:11:08.680 I agree that there are a lot of lukewarm Christians. 1.00

06:11:11.620 Uh, I used to be very Christian.

06:11:13.220 I just, the self ID is not going to cut it.

06:11:15.320 I understand the argument, but even if you are just self IDing and not walking the walk

06:11:20.700 quite as hard, still being in a culture that like really has pressures against it.

06:11:24.820 I think it's still going to bring the body count down.

06:11:26.380 Yeah, but atheists are in the same culture.

06:11:27.240 So that makes no sense, right?

06:11:28.740 So atheists are in the same culture as the self ID Christians. 0.94

06:11:32.380 And if the self ID Christians aren't doing church attendance or any of the Christian things, 0.98

06:11:36.140 then how are they not just in the same culture that the atheists are in?

06:11:39.580 I agree, but I think a good portion of the U.S. does go to church pretty regularly, which

06:11:43.760 I agree is not proof that they are.

06:11:45.360 No, the portion of the U.S. doesn't go to the church or go to churches regularly.

06:11:48.040 I could be wrong.

06:11:49.480 They go occasionally.

06:11:51.660 That's the vast majority of the self ID Christians.

06:11:54.740 We can just check.

06:11:56.080 Can we Google it?

06:11:56.640 The ones who are more rigorous have completely different stats, right?

06:11:59.380 So the ones who are more rigorous, they're going to have different stats when it comes

06:12:02.360 to how many children they've had.

06:12:03.820 You're going to have different stats when it comes to STDs.

06:12:05.760 You're going to have different stats for all these things.

06:12:07.420 So it does seem that the more rigorous that you're practicing the religion, the more that

06:12:13.280 this would be a determining factor, right?

06:12:15.180 So that's why I want to clarify whether we're just talking about self ID or actual rigorism,

06:12:20.240 because then the numbers greatly change, don't they?

06:12:23.420 Yeah, definitely.

06:12:25.900 I mean, this is reflected in my data.

06:12:27.260 You are correct.

06:12:28.360 So I'm not willing to say then that the vast majority are religious, like you're saying

06:12:34.380 then.

06:12:34.700 I think that that is almost straw manning your own position.

06:12:37.120 I don't think I said vast majority, but we can just check the data.

06:12:39.800 You said the vast majority are religious.

06:12:43.640 I don't think I did, but if I did, I misspoke.

06:12:46.260 I think there are a good chunk of the, we can just check, we can Google it.

06:12:50.040 And if it's like, oh, it's 30%, I'll be like, sure.

06:12:51.940 I, I'm down to say 30%.

06:12:53.820 But I just think that like-

06:12:54.960 Well, the best place for this is Pew, right?

06:12:56.500 Not just Google.

06:12:57.360 You'd go to Pew Research.

06:12:58.340 Pew Research actually dove into this and looked at the rigorism versus the non-rigorism when

06:13:02.960 it came to the studies.

06:13:04.420 And we can see that the more rigorous you are, the more that these things actually apply

06:13:08.300 to you versus just self ID.

06:13:10.060 The only reason I'm being hyper specific here, because I know you love that, is also because

06:13:15.020 I want to make sure that when you're giving out this data, when you say to Brian, well,

06:13:19.920 most people are, are, are religious or most, well, I'm not sure.

06:13:23.880 We got to be careful with that language, right? 1.00

06:13:25.700 When you're given stats, especially your own.

06:13:28.480 I'm not giving my own stats for most people are religious.

06:13:30.820 I just thought there's a bunch of people in the U.S. who are in religious culture and

06:13:34.240 we're just generally not seeing them when we go to party colleges.

06:13:36.800 If you're partying in a college and people are going out drinking, you're probably not seeing

06:13:40.120 good God-fearing Christians who are going to church.

06:13:42.420 They're not included in that sample.

06:13:44.960 Well, maybe they used to party, but now they're Christian.

06:13:48.660 Maybe.

06:13:49.240 Andrew calls this the great hoe reformation. 0.99

06:13:52.280 Sorry, I'm trying to do it in Andrew's voice, but.

06:13:54.680 Well, I think it's a, well, okay.

06:13:56.760 So my, my best like Protestant version is like, so I do miss the Protestant fire and brimstone 0.98

06:14:02.600 preachers. 1.00

06:14:03.420 The, yo, gonna go straight to hell, you harlot. 1.00

06:14:07.120 Like those guys, I thought that they were kind of based. 1.00

06:14:09.260 I'm not going to lie.

06:14:09.960 Uh, but now it's become, uh, kind of this much broader, what I would, would commonly

06:14:17.280 refer to as the sewing circle Christian.

06:14:19.220 And the idea here is, I think that what has occurred is that because Christianity is designed 0.94

06:14:26.840 specifically for the reformation of the soul.

06:14:29.600 It's the idea of regeneration.

06:14:30.920 The idea that no matter how badly you've sinned, that Jesus Christ is still there for you.

06:14:36.540 That is true.

06:14:37.240 However, there are a huge amount of women who try to utilize Christianity to buy a new 1.00

06:14:44.600 reputation.

06:14:45.580 They think that because they have been saved, now their reputation has also been saved.

06:14:51.820 And that's just simply not the case.

06:14:53.540 The reputation is still your reputation.

06:14:55.060 So imagine, for instance, uh, if a priest was a PDF, which that happens, right?

06:15:02.280 That happens.

06:15:03.580 Um, we, we don't salvage their reputation because they're also priests.

06:15:07.980 Instead, they get, still get burdened with the reputation.

06:15:10.860 In fact, even more so because they're a priest.

06:15:14.020 And yet for some reason, when it comes to prostitutes with thousands of men in the body count who

06:15:19.020 suddenly are part of the women's liberation Christianity, suddenly they say, well, wait

06:15:24.580 a second, you can't judge what I've done in this and that, or nor my authority towards

06:15:30.440 any biblical, anything, because I bought a new reputation with my religion.

06:15:35.820 That is a modern phenomenon.

06:15:38.160 We'll get right back into it.

06:15:41.220 I need to let a couple of chats come through.

06:15:42.580 Yo, Spicy Ween, thank you.

06:15:43.620 Spicy Ween 89 donated $200.

06:15:46.400 Thank you, man.

06:15:47.020 It's nice seeing a panel void of trolls.

06:15:49.700 That was a good show.

06:15:50.620 Good panel.

06:15:51.060 My German Shepherds agree and now have to pee. 0.63

06:15:54.100 It's been real.

06:15:56.280 Yo, thank you, man.

06:15:57.880 Appreciate it.

06:15:58.580 Thank you, Spicy.

06:15:59.540 Guys, W's in the chat for Spicy Ween 89.

06:16:03.260 And German Shepherds are the best breed.

06:16:05.440 There you go.

06:16:06.040 You would have a German Shepherds.

06:16:09.540 He's the goodest boy.

06:16:12.260 Yo, OJ, thank you, man.

06:16:13.640 OJ Simpson donated $200.

06:16:15.900 Thank you, Juice.

06:16:16.640 Sketchy lift tile a-freaking-me the F out.

06:16:19.760 Katerina, you're not gangster.

06:16:22.140 Candice, sweet Candice, you're looking as beautiful as ever.

06:16:26.080 Honestly, pretty bright, too.

06:16:28.080 You're still as tight as I left you. 1.00

06:16:29.940 What the fuck? 1.00

06:16:32.640 Chill out. 1.00

06:16:33.880 That's so impressive.

06:16:35.200 OJ. 1.00

06:16:36.040 Holy shit. 1.00

06:16:38.360 Oh, my goodness. 0.99

06:16:39.600 It's just a C and a Y. 1.00

06:16:43.460 Have you ever, like, worked with somebody and then there's, like, something, like, in their eyes that just clicks and you're, like, this motherfucker masturbates. 1.00

06:16:53.280 Like, has that happened? 1.00

06:16:54.400 You're, like, this guy watched my stuff, you know?

06:16:56.880 Like, in my personal life?

06:16:58.500 Like, personal life?

06:16:59.220 Or on a scene?

06:17:00.140 Like, personal life?

06:17:00.800 No, no.

06:17:01.220 Like, personal life or even, like, in business or something.

06:17:03.800 And then they kind of, like, do a double take and they're, like, wait, oh.

06:17:07.960 You know?

06:17:08.180 Yeah, every guy I've been with has seen it before.

06:17:11.480 Oh, wait.

06:17:11.640 Every guy you've been, like, has, you've dated or?

06:17:13.780 That I've dated or slept with.

06:17:15.300 Well, not dated because my first boyfriend was before I got into the industry.

06:17:18.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:17:18.940 Yeah.

06:17:19.320 And then the second one I ended up marrying.

06:17:21.240 But, like, guys that were, like, either part of, like, the open or, like, whatever.

06:17:26.760 Yeah.

06:17:27.280 Okay.

06:17:27.660 They've all seen.

06:17:28.820 I guess you had another thing here on body count.

06:17:32.200 Mm-hmm.

06:17:32.920 But, I mean, you went to college, right?

06:17:34.220 Mm-hmm.

06:17:34.780 I don't know. 1.00

06:17:35.160 You saw some shit. 1.00

06:17:35.760 And I went to Myrtle Beach, okay? 1.00

06:17:37.280 Myrtle Beach.

06:17:37.640 So, it was a party university.

06:17:41.080 Yeah.

06:17:41.440 So, I mean, girls would probably get five over the weekend.

06:17:44.500 Mm-hmm.

06:17:44.840 You know?

06:17:45.180 So, that's when I see that number.

06:17:46.340 I'm like, you aren't being, the sorority girls?

06:17:48.440 Are you kidding me?

06:17:49.560 Well, the crazy thing is the sorority girls tell the frat guys that they're virgins, but

06:17:53.440 they're not.

06:17:54.240 No. 0.99

06:17:55.020 Other shit like that. 0.99

06:17:55.800 Yeah. 0.99

06:17:56.260 So, I think that's probably what's happening with a lot of those polls.

06:17:58.900 Yeah.

06:17:59.220 A lot of dishonesty.

06:17:59.600 I do think people, even if, even, I think, with anonymous polls, I think people, like,

06:18:04.680 still don't want to tell the truth, even then.

06:18:07.260 Yeah, they don't want to admit it.

06:18:08.440 Mm-hmm.

06:18:08.460 Yeah.

06:18:08.860 But, body count, you said, what are you trying to gain from that question?

06:18:13.840 You don't think it's a whole lot.

06:18:15.480 But, I think you can get a good amount of info from the body count.

06:18:21.120 I think superficially, sure, but I think that there are more important questions to ask

06:18:25.280 if you're trying to date someone or if you're trying to figure out if that's a good match

06:18:28.480 or not.

06:18:28.820 So, again, there, there can be, and coming from the industry, I was in there for plenty

06:18:33.720 of years, I've seen women that go in and they treat it like a business and they're making 1.00

06:18:38.700 decisions, like, in alignment with whatever their values are or goals are, and then I've

06:18:43.540 seen train wrecks go in and they're, like, very much there because of, like, a survival

06:18:48.520 reason, right?

06:18:49.620 So, I'm more curious as to, like, why you're doing that action and to, like, dive deeper

06:18:53.640 into the behavior instead of just looking at the behavior and saying that that is, that's

06:18:58.240 indicative of, like, this personality trait across the board.

06:19:01.140 And it might be true, like, there might be certain truths that are, that are linked to

06:19:05.400 that, absolutely, I'm not denying that, but I'm just saying if you're going to investigate

06:19:08.840 someone as a partner or a life partner, there's deeper questions that you have to be asking.

06:19:12.600 I agree.

06:19:12.940 Like, are they in therapy, what psychoactive medications do they take?

06:19:19.200 Well, that, yeah, those, that, those are important, absolutely.

06:19:21.360 I've had people, um, not romantic relationships, but, like, employees lie about, like, mental

06:19:26.460 health stuff or, like, they're not on medications and, I mean, I know HIPAA and all of that, but

06:19:31.100 that's important information to know.

06:19:33.080 Sure.

06:19:33.840 You did also indicate, I think this is the last thing on body count, um, you said there

06:19:38.420 was no correlation to faithfulness and fidelity when it came to body count.

06:19:42.240 Um, yes.

06:19:43.380 Uh, I mean, I did want to challenge you a little bit on this.

06:19:45.880 There's a bunch of, at least from what I've seen, there's a bunch of studies that seem

06:19:49.460 to indicate that it is, there is a correlation.

06:19:51.760 The sample size with those is really off.

06:19:53.980 And then I don't know what a delta was.

06:19:55.320 I was giving it to someone who's much smarter than me that can actually read stats.

06:19:58.860 And I sent it to him and I was like, um, can you like, tell me, cause this goes against

06:20:03.820 the argument or the conversation that we were having the other day.

06:20:06.100 And he said it, um, there's a really high delta.

06:20:08.380 And I don't know what that means in that.

06:20:10.620 Uh, like a span, like a standard deviation.

06:20:13.600 Well, not standard deviation.

06:20:14.240 Like there was an issue with the delta in those research papers.

06:20:16.820 So the gap, I don't know.

06:20:18.760 I'm not a statistician or a researcher or a journalist as we established earlier in the

06:20:24.340 podcast.

06:20:24.820 So any, any update by the way, any, any, Oh, hang on here.

06:20:29.560 I'm sorry.

06:20:30.020 I can't let this go.

06:20:30.820 Oh, how can you take issue with the stats?

06:20:34.320 If you don't know what your issue with the stats is?

06:20:36.560 No, I'm saying the first, the sample size was my issue is that it was like a really small

06:20:40.680 sample size.

06:20:41.800 Well, if it's super small and you can't apply it to the masses, right?

06:20:45.440 Well, it depends on what we're trying to study.

06:20:48.260 And anything, if you take 20 people, you can't say, well, these 20 people did this one thing.

06:20:53.640 So then that's, um, indicative of anyone that commits that behavior.

06:20:57.500 Depends on what we're trying to study.

06:20:59.480 I just don't think 20 is accurate.

06:21:01.040 You could take, you could take 20 as a sample size and have it be representative of something.

06:21:05.780 But in this case, are you saying that the sample size, hang on, in this case, why are

06:21:09.380 you saying the sample size was 20?

06:21:11.800 No, I don't know.

06:21:12.560 I remember it being small.

06:21:14.060 I think it might.

06:21:14.580 Yeah.

06:21:14.760 What does that mean though?

06:21:16.440 So it's the problem, right?

06:21:17.800 When you, when you get into the details, the details, like the, the gal who's next to you,

06:21:22.380 She's actually going to literally agree with everything I just said.

06:21:25.220 She, she has no choice.

06:21:26.400 No, sure.

06:21:27.300 Hang on, hang on.

06:21:28.220 This is stats.

06:21:29.100 This is how they work, right?

06:21:30.460 No, of course.

06:21:30.780 You can't have sample size, which are small, but are, they do have some kind of, you know,

06:21:39.060 statistical relevance or significance.

06:21:41.440 In this case, you just saying, well, the sample size from my view was small doesn't actually

06:21:46.020 mean anything.

06:21:46.860 It means something.

06:21:48.880 It doesn't mean nothing.

06:21:49.740 You could, well, maybe, but maybe not.

06:21:52.380 It indicates the level of confidence we can draw from the thing.

06:21:55.300 Yeah, but what is, okay, well, then what is small?

06:21:57.300 Tell me what small is.

06:21:58.160 We have to pull up the study.

06:21:59.280 Well, you can, you can do a calculation on the level of confidence.

06:22:02.120 Yeah, tell me what small is.

06:22:03.720 She says it's small, but won't give you the number.

06:22:04.900 I would say for me, anything under a thousand, I would consider a small sample size.

06:22:08.500 Like if I were to pull one person at this table and say, um.

06:22:11.860 And are you saying that these studies have less than a thousand?

06:22:13.700 Hold on, let her, let her finish. 1.00

06:22:15.300 Go ahead.

06:22:15.840 Well, I just want to know that.

06:22:16.880 Well, no, because I mean, the, the rules aren't being applied evenly.

06:22:19.680 So it's like, I can't interject at all, but then I keep getting interrupted.

06:22:23.180 You can definitely interject.

06:22:24.760 No, because that you're like, no, no, no, let me finish, let me finish.

06:22:26.920 But then it's different rules for me.

06:22:28.300 And then that's not fair.

06:22:29.120 Well, I just, I did just try.

06:22:30.240 I know, I appreciate that.

06:22:30.880 Thank you.

06:22:31.760 Thank you.

06:22:32.200 Yeah, because it's lightning.

06:22:33.340 The reason that I interject very quickly is just for quick clarification.

06:22:37.200 But when I do it, it's not allowed for quick clarification.

06:22:40.180 It is allowed.

06:22:41.040 I'm happy for it.

06:22:41.220 And that is one of my critiques about the show, right?

06:22:43.360 It's just like, there's, I'm all for debate and like having ideas proven wrong, but there's

06:22:47.660 a way to do it that's like out of curiosity and in good faith and doing it in respect.

06:22:52.240 And then there's like a way that you can do it with tone and intent that is like, it's

06:22:55.800 bad.

06:22:56.240 Okay.

06:22:56.460 Well, there's, there's literally eight people on the panel.

06:22:58.620 I've spoken very little.

06:23:00.000 I'm having a lightning round with you.

06:23:01.340 I'm getting clarifications.

06:23:02.320 You popped in.

06:23:02.920 I didn't even know this was a debate.

06:23:04.160 I thought we were just like going over topics and then like you popped in and then we are going

06:23:07.900 over topics.

06:23:08.800 Yes.

06:23:09.060 If you're saying that there's not a too small for a sample size, do you think that I can

06:23:14.120 go ask one person a question and okay, so what would, what would not be like, what would

06:23:18.600 be an appropriate size for you then?

06:23:20.360 It's going to depend on what it is that we're studying, why and what the control factors

06:23:24.040 are.

06:23:24.360 So this is my whole problem.

06:23:25.460 Oh, I'm saying controls, but like, I'm not sure that you understand how controls work.

06:23:29.320 Controls are super important for any study.

06:23:31.060 Yes.

06:23:32.100 Like controls are important for certain types of things that you're studying.

06:23:35.960 You can't just throw out.

06:23:37.720 No, you, you, this is like, there's no science is not possible.

06:23:42.380 I understand how to run studies.

06:23:44.580 You don't need controls for all things that you study.

06:23:47.140 You haven't read my studies, dude.

06:23:50.240 Listen, listen, no, you, yes, I have dove into your studies, which is how I knew that 1.00

06:23:54.780 teenagers were over sampled in all of them and they're all bullshit. 0.96

06:23:58.720 That aside, hang on, that aside, can you tell me how you can have science absent controls, 0.98

06:24:03.400 Manam?

06:24:03.800 You can absolutely have science absent controls.

06:24:07.020 Like for example, for example, science is testing a hypothesis, right?

06:24:10.960 And like, let's say I have a hypothesis here that like maybe the people who looked worse

06:24:15.120 when they were made into old people actually have higher body counts. 0.92

06:24:17.760 Um, how would you propose we have a control for this, this hypothesis?

06:24:22.380 Well, wait a second.

06:24:24.140 Let's back up.

06:24:25.300 Your hypothesis is what?

06:24:26.820 That the people who looked worse when they were aged up have higher body counts.

06:24:31.140 This is my hypothesis, hypothetically.

06:24:33.000 Yeah, great.

06:24:33.580 So you're going to test this hypothesis.

06:24:34.940 Yeah, so what, what would you suggest being a control?

06:24:37.500 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

06:24:37.660 Are we testing the hypothesis?

06:24:39.200 Because that's the next part of the scientific method, right?

06:24:41.300 Yeah, we could, we could test it by.

06:24:42.620 Okay, so how can you have a test absent a control?

06:24:45.660 So I, I would, I'm proposing the hypothesis.

06:24:48.360 I'd like to know how you would propose that we control for this.

06:24:50.520 It doesn't matter how I would do it.

06:24:51.720 I'm asking how it could even be done absent a control.

06:24:54.260 The way that I would test this hypothesis is I would ask people to like, for example,

06:24:58.760 I would figure out how bad we look in the things, maybe assign a rating so we can have a number.

06:25:03.840 No, that's not a control.

06:25:05.780 Okay, do we just have like very different meanings of the word?

06:25:08.300 What do you mean when you say control?

06:25:09.000 No, we don't have very different meanings of the word control.

06:25:11.280 Assigning a number to a way of Facebook's is not a control.

06:25:13.880 In science, what do you think a control is?

06:25:15.800 A control is, let's say I give a medication to a type, a group of people because I want

06:25:19.380 to see if it has an effect.

06:25:20.820 I also measure the group of people that have not received that medication as a control to

06:25:26.180 see if there's a difference between the populations.

06:25:28.160 So in sociology, you're saying there's no controls?

06:25:30.360 I'm saying there can be controls.

06:25:31.940 I'm saying I'm giving you, listen to me, listen to me talk for a second.

06:25:36.820 What I am saying, what I'm saying is that there are some types of hypotheses for which

06:25:41.340 testing does not require controls.

06:25:43.940 And I'm giving you a very narrow example.

06:25:46.000 For example, I'm checking to see if there's a correlation in this group between the apparent

06:25:51.500 age of being aged up and a body count.

06:25:53.600 And I would do this by looking at the number assigned to the age, and I would look at the

06:25:57.500 body count, and I would run a correlation.

06:26:00.060 And what you've done is you've created a control ruling other things out.

06:26:03.380 That's not what a control is.

06:26:04.740 A control is taking another group and then checking to see if your intervention had an

06:26:09.960 effect depending on the group.

06:26:11.340 That's one type of control.

06:26:12.940 The other thing you talked about is another type of control.

06:26:15.300 We are measuring two variables.

06:26:17.420 All the scientific, yeah, all the scientific control is doing.

06:26:19.500 Are you using the word control?

06:26:20.900 Stop, stop, stop.

06:26:21.880 All the scientific control is doing is controlling for a variable. 1.00

06:26:25.220 The very first thing that you gave me was a variable control, you fucking dummy. 0.99

06:26:29.840 So you're saying you're using the word... 1.00

06:26:32.040 How do you not know this shit? 1.00

06:26:33.500 You're a fucking... 1.00

06:26:34.220 Yes. 1.00

06:26:34.860 The very first thing you gave me was a fucking variable control. 1.00

06:26:38.200 The very first thing you said was a variable control. 0.98

06:26:41.240 So what you're saying is that if we are testing the correlation between two...

06:26:46.640 We could do a collective...

06:26:47.360 Sorry, everything's happening suddenly.

06:26:48.780 This one just loves some of my voice.

06:26:50.100 It's so embarrassing for you.

06:26:51.200 I can't even believe that you just said that, but go ahead.

06:26:53.200 It only affected me.

06:26:54.000 Everyone did it though.

06:26:55.580 That's a question.

06:26:56.020 How are you feeling right now?

06:26:57.120 Do you feel like you're having a fun time dominating?

06:27:00.360 Oh my god, it's so funny.

06:27:01.040 Because I really think that maybe you don't know how science works. 0.98

06:27:04.080 How does my mental state help you explain what a fucking scientific control is? 0.92

06:27:08.580 When the first thing you said was a scientific control ruling out X thing, that's a control. 0.96

06:27:14.040 No, a control is when you make sure that you're testing a group to make sure that it is not being affected by your intervention.

06:27:20.260 It's a control group.

06:27:20.880 That's one form of control.

06:27:22.060 Okay, or you can test two variables to see if there's a correlation.

06:27:26.120 Yeah, that would be the very first control that you gave us.

06:27:29.580 I have never in my life heard the word control used to refer to one of the variables which would do.

06:27:34.940 I could be wrong.

06:27:35.920 I am willing to say I was wrong if it turns out that standard science...

06:27:39.120 That's literally what you're setting parameters for an experiment.

06:27:41.920 Everything that you're setting which would rule X variable out would be a control.

06:27:45.960 Okay, what do you mean everything that I'm saying would rule X variable out?

06:27:50.720 Like what am I saying would rule X variable out?

06:27:52.780 Okay, so if we want a control for this, like, okay, my hypothesis is that there's flint which makes this flame happen, right?

06:28:02.940 Oh, sure.

06:28:03.240 I can add a variance.

06:28:04.800 I can add a hundred different variances of controls to this, can't I?

06:28:08.760 I can take the flint out, for instance, or possibly I can add multiple flints, or I could say, well, we're not going to do that at all.

06:28:18.040 We're only going to do X.

06:28:19.580 All of those things would be controls in the experiment for how this flint made this lighter work.

06:28:24.260 You're talking about statistics when it comes to studies.

06:28:28.000 The very first thing you say is, the way that I would do this is I would divide X by Y.

06:28:32.600 You're introducing a control which rules other things out.

06:28:35.580 You're trying to narrow the process to affirm the...

06:28:38.140 Hang on.

06:28:38.840 You're trying to narrow the process to affirm the hypothesis.

06:28:41.220 That's what you're doing.

06:28:42.200 Yeah, I understand attempting to rule things out.

06:28:44.420 That's a control.

06:28:45.260 You can't even do experiments without controls.

06:28:47.200 That's my whole point.

06:28:47.940 I think you're coming from an extremely different type of science than I am, or else you don't understand how the science that I'm doing works.

06:28:57.340 I'm not sure which one is the case.

06:28:59.140 I can't wait to hear this.

06:29:00.540 Tell me how we can have science absent a control for an experiment.

06:29:06.480 All experiments.

06:29:07.340 The experiment by itself is literally inferring that there's controls, or we couldn't have an experiment.

06:29:13.900 Okay, let's think of a slightly simpler example.

06:29:17.940 Let's say I want to see if there's a correlation between height and weight in a population.

06:29:23.200 How would you propose that we test this?

06:29:26.660 Between height and weight?

06:29:27.840 I don't know.

06:29:28.480 You tell me.

06:29:30.060 Well, I told you my strategy for the last one.

06:29:32.360 Can you tell me your strategy for this one?

06:29:34.180 Why would it matter what my strategy is?

06:29:36.220 Just so that I know how you're thinking about this.

06:29:38.780 I don't know.

06:29:39.460 I mean, I have no idea.

06:29:40.700 I know that it is like, you like to put me on the defensive by asking a lot of questions,

06:29:45.800 and then you won't answer questions because that would put you on the defensive.

06:29:49.060 I don't know.

06:29:49.160 I don't know how I would conduct such a study.

06:29:50.980 Why would that matter?

06:29:54.260 Just think.

06:29:55.440 Do we have a whole bunch of people, and we're trying to see?

06:29:58.000 Like, literally, what would the relevancy be, regardless of how I answered, right, to whether

06:30:03.320 or not it would have the addition of control?

06:30:07.460 I'm just curious how you would test to see if there's a correlation between height and

06:30:10.180 weight.

06:30:10.440 Just how would you do the science?

06:30:11.660 What's your strategy?

06:30:12.360 I have no idea.

06:30:13.640 I've never thought about it.

06:30:14.760 Yeah.

06:30:15.200 Okay.

06:30:15.540 Well, there are ways to do this.

06:30:18.760 There's statistical things we can run.

06:30:20.920 Like, we make a chart.

06:30:22.280 X and Y axis.

06:30:23.240 It's a chart.

06:30:23.680 If you would like to call one of the axes a control, we can put that word on that,

06:30:27.240 if that makes you happy.

06:30:28.200 What else would it be?

06:30:29.440 The X axis.

06:30:30.680 It's the X and Y axis.

06:30:32.420 It's like you plot the data on a graph.

06:30:34.700 This is just the way that it works.

06:30:36.540 Yeah.

06:30:36.760 And why are we doing that, though?

06:30:38.380 Well, I'll explain.

06:30:39.240 Because we're controlling for what?

06:30:40.020 Because we're controlling for what?

06:30:41.300 We're not controlling for anything.

06:30:42.880 We're testing to see there's a correlation.

06:30:45.560 Do you know what correlations are?

06:30:47.080 So we're controlling for a correlation.

06:30:48.900 We're not.

06:30:49.980 No.

06:30:50.340 We're running a calculation on the.

06:30:52.320 Do you know what a correlation is?

06:30:54.680 Yes.

06:30:55.620 Okay.

06:30:56.320 Can you tell me?

06:30:57.600 Just to make sure that you understand.

06:30:59.860 What a correlate is?

06:31:00.860 What a correlation is.

06:31:01.940 Like, how is a correlation calculated?

06:31:03.260 It would be something that could be loosely or vaguely or non-vaguely associated with some

06:31:08.840 other property.

06:31:09.940 Very close.

06:31:10.800 Yes.

06:31:12.220 It helps tell you how much you can predict one variable by knowledge of the other variable.

06:31:16.980 So, for example, if we want to check the correlation between height and weight.

06:31:19.720 I don't care about a monologue.

06:31:20.800 I'm asking how it's not a control.

06:31:23.100 Your question makes no sense.

06:31:24.820 I can explain to you how correlations work.

06:31:26.640 I can explain to you p-values.

06:31:27.800 Yeah, I know.

06:31:27.940 I don't know how correlations work.

06:31:29.040 I'm asking about controls, not correlations.

06:31:32.320 Controls are relevant for certain types of questions.

06:31:36.400 Perhaps they are.

06:31:37.480 I'm trying to say controls are not a good.

06:31:39.460 But I'm asking specifically about controls right now.

06:31:40.800 And if you say, okay, I have a graph and it divides it in half and it's putting this

06:31:45.780 half over here and this half over there.

06:31:48.340 You have now introduced a way to control.

06:31:50.420 I don't know what your experiment is going to be.

06:31:52.500 I can continue.

06:31:54.200 So, if we have a graph.

06:31:55.740 X and Y axis like this.

06:31:57.120 And then we plot everybody's height and weight along it.

06:31:59.360 So, like one axis is height and the other axis is weight.

06:32:01.820 And you have a whole bunch of dots on this graph.

06:32:03.840 What you can do is you can run, like, basically do a calculation that shows you a trend line

06:32:07.620 to see if, like, the dots slowly kind of increase with the Y axis, the more you get, the higher

06:32:12.720 you get on the X axis.

06:32:13.980 And then you do a calculation of the square root of the, all of the points from the trend

06:32:18.440 line.

06:32:19.160 And then basically from that you get what's called the R, the R value.

06:32:23.440 And this is how, like, far away different points are from being tightly correlated.

06:32:28.640 So, for example.

06:32:29.600 Actually, that makes total sense to me.

06:32:31.220 Yeah.

06:32:31.380 So, for example, height and height.

06:32:32.600 I'm just going to read.

06:32:33.540 I just want to read a simple thing for you.

06:32:35.060 So, experimental control refers to a group or element within the scientific experiment

06:32:39.940 that remains unchanged or serves as a baseline comparison or divider from the experimental

06:32:44.080 group.

06:32:44.720 Everything you just explained was a control.

06:32:46.580 No.

06:32:47.060 I explained to you a correlation.

06:32:49.600 I'm...

06:32:50.000 No, no, no, no, no.

06:32:50.560 You explained how you control for correlates.

06:32:52.860 Yes.

06:32:53.340 So, you want something that's unchanged from the group.

06:32:56.140 Yeah.

06:32:56.420 So, for example, if I'm giving you medication, then this means that I am introducing some sort

06:33:02.680 of influence.

06:33:03.320 And so, I have a control to check the difference between those groups.

06:33:07.180 That's what a control is.

06:33:08.220 And I think this is great and fantastic and very important in science.

06:33:10.600 And a lot of science doesn't have controls.

06:33:12.020 And I think you are correct to be going, why are there not controls?

06:33:14.680 I agree.

06:33:14.700 I am correct.

06:33:15.660 You're right.

06:33:16.440 However, this is a different concept from the...

06:33:19.260 So, science is only as good as it controls.

06:33:21.520 And you haven't actually given me a way in which we can conduct an experiment absent controls.

06:33:27.760 Uh, well, I'm describing how we can find the correlation between height and weight.

06:33:32.600 Yeah, I'm not asking about how you can describe correlates.

06:33:35.940 Guys, guys, guys, guys.

06:33:37.040 I'm asking, how can we run an experiment which refers to a group or element within a scientific

06:33:44.460 experiment that remains either unchanged, serves as a baseline for comparison, or divides

06:33:50.400 the experimental group?

06:33:52.080 How could you even do it?

06:33:54.060 How?

06:33:54.540 That's a great question.

06:33:55.260 How would you do it if we're trying to test height and weight?

06:33:56.680 I'm asking you.

06:33:59.020 We don't because this is not how science works.

06:34:01.080 You could just choose an age.

06:34:02.100 Can we move on?

06:34:03.960 All right.

06:34:04.600 We can move on.

06:34:05.240 Everybody's the same age.

06:34:06.240 There's your...

06:34:06.640 I mean, I'm...

06:34:07.320 You guys can, like, wrap it up, but if this is going to go on another 20 minutes, I have

06:34:11.680 to cut it here.

06:34:12.740 So, you guys can...

06:34:13.920 If you can, like, wrap it up quickly, we can, like, continue a little bit because...

06:34:18.120 Yeah, so I'll just wrap it up quick.

06:34:19.860 My...

06:34:20.380 What I said was science is only as good as its controls.

06:34:23.820 Right?

06:34:24.080 She ends up agreeing with me.

06:34:25.460 Yes, you're right, actually.

06:34:26.540 This is very important to the scientific process.

06:34:28.840 Really, experiments are really only as good as their controls.

06:34:31.960 She says, though, you can have experiments absent controls, but actually didn't give us

06:34:36.160 any experiments absent controls.

06:34:38.640 Just literally gave us experiments where she starts with a baseline of having controls

06:34:42.360 for her experiments.

06:34:44.180 That was my whole point.

06:34:45.600 The thing is, I don't...

06:34:46.800 I'm not sure how you can even conduct an experiment absent controls.

06:34:50.200 I think every...

06:34:50.940 I think it's even inferred in experiment that you are controlling XYZ based on what this

06:34:57.100 definition is for the thing.

06:34:58.600 That's my whole point.

06:34:59.440 But back to this, back to what we were originally talking about, you just saying sample size

06:35:05.000 X really small doesn't actually mean anything.

06:35:09.160 Small is not a scientific referent.

06:35:12.340 It's a referent to, like, a mind state of, you know, like, is this cell phone small?

06:35:18.960 Is this cigarette small? 0.72

06:35:20.140 I have no fucking idea what small means here, because it's not a scientific referent. 0.90

06:35:24.880 A scientific referent would be anything under X would not be appropriate due to, you know, 0.97

06:35:30.240 fucking XYZ, whatever. 0.95

06:35:32.360 Small doesn't mean anything. 0.99

06:35:34.060 Is there, like, a preferred amount of people for a survey, though, for research that scientists

06:35:40.520 like?

06:35:40.920 Is there, like, a golden number that people try to get to, or at least a minimum?

06:35:44.800 Depends on what we're talking about.

06:35:46.200 No, in general.

06:35:46.820 I'm sure that something would apply to, across the board, like, a goal.

06:35:50.800 Maybe they don't hit it every time, but is there typically, like, a golden number?

06:35:53.900 I'm not, I'm not.

06:35:54.820 I'd say three to four hundred.

06:35:55.920 I'm not actually sure.

06:35:56.560 Three to four hundred.

06:35:57.180 This is what I aim for, for minimum.

06:35:59.480 But on what, though?

06:36:01.100 Three to four hundred for what?

06:36:03.200 We're trying to establish what small means.

06:36:06.080 So I'm saying that I'm sure that there probably is a minimum that scientists would like to get

06:36:10.980 in order to be.

06:36:12.120 It depends on what it is that we're studying, and what it is, what, it depends on what it

06:36:19.220 is specifically.

06:36:20.180 Like, this, listen, I know how this sounds, but it actually does matter.

06:36:24.000 Depends on what we're studying for what a sample size would be appropriate to what

06:36:28.160 group.

06:36:28.540 Like, for instance, one or two hundred people may be fine for, like, transgender people,

06:36:34.020 because there's so few of them.

06:36:35.080 There's so few that could be a good representation of a sample size.

06:36:40.040 I'm not saying it is.

06:36:41.220 By the way, Chair, when I can see you already autistically gerping, I said it could be.

06:36:45.680 I'm just giving you the idea that some groups may have very narrow windows, and so smaller

06:36:51.220 sample sizes could be fine.

06:36:52.720 So it depends on what we're studying and why.

06:36:55.580 I agree with you, but not for the reasons you stated.

06:36:57.560 Okay, you're just going to, so here's the thing.

06:37:02.720 I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and just say, give me the reasons.

06:37:06.180 They're literally going to be the reasons I just stated, though.

06:37:08.300 Go ahead.

06:37:09.740 So just to make sure I understood you right, you're claiming that the reasons that a small

06:37:13.800 sample size can be fine is, like, possibly you're measuring a very small population.

06:37:17.580 No.

06:37:18.680 No.

06:37:19.080 Sorry, you said, okay.

06:37:20.200 Can you clarify?

06:37:20.920 An incorrect steel man, so the steel man would be small as subjective.

06:37:23.580 Please correct me.

06:37:24.240 No, when you say small, that's a subjective metric.

06:37:27.800 It's not telling me anything.

06:37:29.220 That doesn't tell me any information. 1.00

06:37:32.440 Like, for the prostitutes, what's a small dick? 0.99

06:37:35.920 I don't know that's going to be completely subjective as to what you think that is. 1.00

06:37:40.560 I have no idea what that means.

06:37:42.560 It's not scientifically, small is not scientific. 0.98

06:37:46.500 It's some made-up shit in your head to give a reference to something which is not as big 0.93

06:37:51.200 as another thing, but it doesn't tell me anything. 0.99

06:37:54.240 So when I say small, I'm trying to give a reference to her worldview.

06:37:58.580 This is too small of a sample size.

06:38:00.820 This is too large of a sample size.

06:38:02.540 But you're not actually telling me anything.

06:38:04.520 Well, I'll say how I agree with you, and I agree with you.

06:38:08.480 Michael Jones donated $200.

06:38:11.700 A scientific control is a part of the scientific method that involves using a standard for comparison

06:38:17.340 to minimize the effect of variables other than the independent variable.

06:38:21.840 Jesus is Lord.

06:38:23.240 Thank you, Michael.

06:38:23.620 I totally agree.

06:38:24.400 I don't know how an experiment can be done, which is part of the scientific method.

06:38:27.420 Absent of control, she said she did, never could give us one.

06:38:32.220 So glad we got to the bottom of that.

06:38:33.800 I could keep talking about statistics all night.

06:38:40.320 Well, look, I mean, I proposed, I did propose earlier, if you wanted to do a 1v1 conversation.

06:38:46.080 Absolutely not.

06:38:48.780 All right, this is your chance, Andrew.

06:38:50.500 Keep going.

06:38:51.700 No.

06:38:53.300 Oh, boy.

06:38:54.160 I don't understand.

06:38:55.120 Did you say nar?

06:38:56.540 Nar.

06:38:57.220 I said no.

06:38:57.880 Nar.

06:38:58.400 Nar.

06:38:59.060 Nar.

06:39:00.000 No.

06:39:00.920 Nar.

06:39:01.400 She's British.

06:39:02.740 Yeah, mine's actually the English language.

06:39:04.500 I know, I know.

06:39:05.120 I'm trying to lighten the mood, trying to lighten the mood.

06:39:07.420 Okay, Andrew, keep it up.

06:39:09.080 Do you guys, is there more to the statistics?

06:39:11.920 I'll keep it up.

06:39:12.740 Anyway, so, look, I'll just tie it off here very quickly, right?

06:39:17.460 I understand you don't want to do a debate on this stuff.

06:39:19.340 I don't blame you, right?

06:39:21.580 Because that would go bad for you.

06:39:23.160 But the point is, is, like, you really haven't actually demonstrated how you can run an experiment.

06:39:30.040 Like, I do want to actually know if that's even possible to do.

06:39:33.920 Because to me, it infers controls.

06:39:35.700 Just the experiment itself, the word infers control.

06:39:39.280 Definitely a huge subset of science involves that.

06:39:42.080 Yeah.

06:39:43.580 But can you give me an experiment that doesn't have control?

06:39:46.860 So, we have a question of whether or not height correlates with weight.

06:39:50.800 This is a hypothesis that we should test.

06:39:53.860 I can explain to you how correlations work.

06:39:56.500 Yeah, but how does the experiment work?

06:39:57.880 No.

06:39:58.300 This was a...

06:39:58.780 The experiment is we're going to ask a whole bunch of people their height and weight.

06:40:04.220 Okay.

06:40:05.320 And then we're going to see if there is a relationship between those things.

06:40:08.140 Are we going to ask people about what color their dog's fur is?

06:40:11.660 If we could.

06:40:12.940 I don't see how to be relevant.

06:40:13.580 Are we going to ask them what color their dog's fur is?

06:40:15.980 Probably not.

06:40:19.740 Oh, it sounds like a control then.

06:40:21.360 Anything.

06:40:21.860 Anyway, I appreciate that very much.

06:40:23.780 That was very kind of you to go ahead and demonstrate my point for me.

06:40:26.880 I hadn't really directly experienced in person people being extremely overconfident about statistics.

06:40:32.580 But here we are.

06:40:34.200 This has nothing to even do with statistics.

06:40:35.840 It really does, though.

06:40:37.300 Talking about controls for a scientific experiment.

06:40:40.360 What you have done is you have now narrowed that you, indeed, in your experiment, are going to immediately add controls to it.

06:40:47.980 Just by ruling out the things you won't ask, you're now adding in, by the way, the definition.

06:40:53.960 Yes.

06:40:54.460 Right?

06:40:54.760 An unchanging.

06:40:56.260 This is an unchanging.

06:40:58.060 We can't control for things.

06:40:59.200 A group or element within the scientific experiment that remains unchanged that serves as a baseline for comparison.

06:41:06.040 You immediately are introducing something which is an unchanged element, right?

06:41:10.700 Because you're not asking about dog's fur.

06:41:12.660 You're asking about the height and weight.

06:41:14.360 That is a control.

06:41:15.480 We can control for things.

06:41:16.960 For example, if I ask about height and weight, maybe we should control for gender.

06:41:21.920 Like, maybe men are...

06:41:24.160 Yeah, you could add that.

06:41:25.020 Right.

06:41:25.500 And that would be a control.

06:41:26.520 It could be relevant.

06:41:27.260 That would be controlling for something.

06:41:29.780 But you're not going to add what color the dog's fur is, right?

06:41:31.760 We could try and control for dog's fur.

06:41:34.940 I don't think that would change anything.

06:41:37.040 Yeah, well, but you already are controlling for dog's fur because you're not asking about dog's fur because it's not relevant because you have an unchanging.

06:41:44.220 You have an unchanging standard because it's a control.

06:41:48.360 Look, if you guys want to have the 1v1, you can.

06:41:53.740 I let this go on for like 15 minutes.

06:41:57.400 This podcast doesn't exist in vacuum.

06:41:59.760 There's other guests.

06:42:00.860 I have to be considering them too.

06:42:01.680 Yeah, no problem.

06:42:03.080 I'm happy to move on.

06:42:05.000 So, it's a frequent criticism I get, like, that I move things on.

06:42:09.360 But, like, a lot of people aren't in the room.

06:42:12.700 Like, there's other people that want to talk.

06:42:14.440 I have to be considerate of, like, other guests on the podcast.

06:42:17.920 Yeah, it's a totally reasonable move, I think.

06:42:20.380 I have zero issues with this.

06:42:21.580 Yeah, no, I'm not directing this at you, Andrew.

06:42:24.100 It's just like a lot of the commenters get.

06:42:27.140 And I'll even grant, sometimes I do cut conversation short.

06:42:32.140 But sometimes we do have to move it on.

06:42:37.120 Look, I'll happily host the 1v1.

06:42:40.340 I'll be, I can moderate it.

06:42:42.180 But, oof, I'll scold him if he calls you a Sperg.

06:42:47.260 How dare you, Andrew?

06:42:48.440 How dare?

06:42:48.880 I sent him a text.

06:42:50.940 Never mind.

06:42:51.240 Well, I am probably a Sperg. 0.80

06:42:52.700 Oh, okay.

06:42:53.340 All right.

06:42:53.760 Me too.

06:42:54.880 We have something in common.

06:42:56.140 That's cool.

06:42:56.640 All right.

06:42:57.320 Here, let me get through everything here.

06:42:59.380 There's only a few more notes.

06:43:00.580 We'll do the row session.

06:43:01.440 Then we've got to wrap.

06:43:02.680 All right.

06:43:04.200 So, Candace, you, oh, the viral clip.

06:43:08.460 We have to do the viral clip.

06:43:09.420 We have a couple tweets to react to, and then that's it.

06:43:12.240 You did say that you think the entry of age for porn should be raised to 25.

06:43:16.340 That seems like a decent baseline.

06:43:18.420 You said modern dating has ruined men and women.

06:43:20.220 Women want six feet. 1.00

06:43:22.840 No, six.

06:43:23.680 Six figures, six feet.

06:43:25.120 Six inches.

06:43:26.140 Okay.

06:43:26.560 And men are getting blackpilled and quitting the game altogether.

06:43:29.620 You had a viral clip on Twitter about all day foreplay.

06:43:35.000 I don't know if we even need to pull up the clip.

06:43:37.060 You can probably just restate the position.

06:43:39.000 Do you want to, like, explain that, I guess?

06:43:40.620 Yeah, I was actually really surprised that it had the response that it did, because I

06:43:45.080 didn't think I said anything controversial at all.

06:43:47.180 And I actually sent it to, like, a couple counselors I know.

06:43:50.000 And they're like, no, this is really marriage 101.

06:43:52.300 But it's the idea that men and women are different.

06:43:56.280 Our arousal is different.

06:43:57.360 And then our breaks and what leads to pleasure is different.

06:44:02.160 And every man, if they're being honest, has been with a woman and it's going great.

06:44:07.780 And then the garbage truck pulls up or, like, something will happen and she can get into

06:44:12.440 her head out of the moment.

06:44:13.400 You have to start all over again.

06:44:14.660 You're like, what is happening?

06:44:15.940 So the clip was saying that we, as women, tend to see everything as a threat when we're 1.00

06:44:23.320 overstimulated, overstressed.

06:44:25.320 And ways to help mitigate that would be, especially as the man, if you're going to be the leader,

06:44:30.220 is to have follow through.

06:44:31.260 So if you say, I'm going to take out the trash, take out the trash.

06:44:33.620 Pick up your own socks, right?

06:44:35.400 Like, all of these little things add up as stressors and are hitting the brakes of her

06:44:38.980 arousal.

06:44:40.280 And it was, I think the thing that got people mad was equating trash to, like, a tiger.

06:44:46.960 But most, like, psychologists or neuroscientists will say it's absolutely the same effect if

06:44:51.660 you're getting chased by a tiger or if you're experiencing stress, chronic or acute.

06:44:57.080 It's very, very similar.

06:44:59.060 So how can you help your woman achieve more pleasure?

06:45:02.240 It's just, like, follow through.

06:45:03.540 Because if you're not following through, if you make these promises that you're going

06:45:06.200 to help contribute, help out around the house, help with the kids, whatever it is, and you

06:45:10.080 don't do that, that's now seen as unreliable.

06:45:12.660 And then in her subconscious, I'm not even saying it's active, she's like, oh, is he going to

06:45:17.400 be a good leader?

06:45:17.940 Is he going to be able to protect?

06:45:19.040 Is he going to be able to provide?

06:45:20.060 Because if you're not doing these things that you say you are, and I think that that's,

06:45:23.500 that is, like, the sign of being a healthy, mature, masculine, right, is being a man of

06:45:28.800 your word.

06:45:29.100 If you're not doing those things, she and her body are saying unreliable and shutting

06:45:32.980 down.

06:45:33.540 And that was it.

06:45:34.500 It wasn't, like, a dunk on men.

06:45:35.940 It's not saying women should have the right to nag.

06:45:38.000 And, like, people were saying that, too.

06:45:39.060 I don't think women should nag or emasculate. 0.99

06:45:41.080 Like, there was a lot of straw man arguments being brought into the clips.

06:45:44.560 And then I fell into the trap of trying to defend it.

06:45:47.100 I'm like, just watch what I said, because I didn't say half of the stuff that everyone's

06:45:50.520 accusing me of.

06:45:52.260 Okay.

06:45:57.920 So, like, how does that look like, though, from the guys, like, what's the guy going to

06:46:02.500 do?

06:46:04.020 It's going to be different in every relationship.

06:46:05.640 So, there's kind of, and this is going to be really, like, rudimentary, but in a lot

06:46:10.240 of the relationship books that I've been reading recently, and this is, it's going to be dependent

06:46:14.920 on what school of thought you go into.

06:46:16.020 There's, like, three different stages of relationships that people tend to fall in.

06:46:18.800 One is going to be more traditional, and you have, like, very strict assigned roles.

06:46:24.260 And this will be, like, the man is the provider.

06:46:26.520 He does everything out of the house.

06:46:27.920 The woman is more domestic. 0.94

06:46:29.180 Everything inside is her domain.

06:46:30.760 And no one should really expect the other one to pick up the other one's slack.

06:46:34.360 Like, real clear division.

06:46:35.780 The other one is more feminist, and that's where you get into, like, partnership, 50-50, 1.00

06:46:40.600 unclear boundaries, and unclear leadership, unclear assignment of tasks.

06:46:46.800 And that's where you get into a lot of trouble, especially when it comes to intimacy and sexual

06:46:50.480 relationships.

06:46:51.460 Wait, so is it, like, the guy kind of, like, helping take care of the house and stuff?

06:46:54.780 It's more like, well, no, because that can actually go into the third one, too.

06:46:59.180 So the first one, like, the man's not expected to do that, right?

06:47:01.680 Like, clear defined roles.

06:47:02.900 He's not touching the trash.

06:47:03.920 That's her job, unless it's, like, heavy or something, right?

06:47:06.520 And I'm sure every man would concede to that.

06:47:08.680 The second one is, like, there, it's, like, this weird place that no one wants to establish

06:47:13.880 dominance because they automatically think that that's bad.

06:47:16.320 So no one is the leader.

06:47:17.660 No one is in charge.

06:47:18.460 It's a perfect 50-50 relationship. 0.96

06:47:19.880 And that's where, like, most, like, modern feminist relationships are right now. 1.00

06:47:23.980 So even though, let's say both partners are working, and this is where it gets more

06:47:27.940 complicated because the comment section was acting like the wife was automatically a stay 0.56

06:47:33.140 at home.

06:47:33.500 Well, that's not true for the majority of women. 1.00

06:47:35.220 So typically both people are working, but then when the mom gets home, she also has most

06:47:39.480 of the tasks when it comes to, like, domestic chores, the kids, cooking, et cetera.

06:47:43.500 So now she's getting mad at husband because she feels overstimulated, overworked, overstressed,

06:47:49.640 and then she takes that out by nagging, emasculating, and that comes down to a fault of not having

06:47:54.680 clear defined roles.

06:47:55.540 But again, it's, like, it's the issue of the 50-50.

06:47:58.000 The third one is what you would call intimate communion, and that is, there's still clear

06:48:02.740 leadership in that, but it's more of, like, my needs are your needs in a way.

06:48:08.400 Like, I'm happy to make you happy, right?

06:48:11.160 And most men, especially if, like, you're married, and this, again, was, like, for married

06:48:15.560 couples.

06:48:15.880 I'm not expecting some chad from the bar to go take out the trash. 0.88

06:48:19.420 Like, this conversation for, like, long-term married couples.

06:48:22.720 If you're married, you want to do things that make your wife happy.

06:48:25.780 She wants to make you happy.

06:48:26.860 That's a healthy relationship.

06:48:28.020 But if you see her needs as, like, a chore, that was another thing people were saying,

06:48:33.420 is chore play, or if she's talking down to him, like, that's not healthy.

06:48:37.240 That's not intimate communion.

06:48:38.240 So it's, like, more of a merging is, like, the last, most elevated stage, but still clear

06:48:41.940 defined roles and responsibilities.

06:48:45.600 Can you help me out with something here?

06:48:47.160 Sure.

06:48:47.520 Because the counter claim here, which seems quite relevant, is that as soon as men start

06:48:56.960 doing all of the chores and they start participating in this and this kind of thing, that women 1.00

06:49:02.460 get very upset with them, that they seem to be less attracted to them, and that when women 1.00

06:49:07.100 are asked about attraction levels towards men who act in the capacity as a breadwinner

06:49:11.880 and the not doing the chores portion, they seem to have a higher attraction rate towards

06:49:16.740 those men.

06:49:17.640 Why would that be?

06:49:18.480 Well, I never said all.

06:49:20.240 I'm not asking about all.

06:49:21.740 I'm just asking about...

06:49:22.820 You said if a man does all the chores, and I never said all.

06:49:25.620 Okay, but even if he's doing half.

06:49:27.520 So, seemingly, women often are sleeping with the type of men that you're talking about

06:49:35.760 and opining about their traditional, lack of traditional marriage or lack of traditional

06:49:41.220 men or lack of masculine men, but masculinity in this society, of course, is appropriated

06:49:46.260 by non-feminine behavior, some of which is going to include housework and busy work like 1.00

06:49:52.360 this, yeah?

06:49:52.840 I don't know that housework's necessarily entirely feminine. 0.93

06:49:57.660 I would argue that something like keeping the fire lit is more of the man's job, that

06:50:02.300 is housework, I would say.

06:50:03.720 I would say trash is mostly a man's work as well, just because of weight. 1.00

06:50:09.540 Have you ever heard of hearth death?

06:50:11.620 Hearth death?

06:50:12.520 No.

06:50:13.520 Yeah, so it used to actually be a common phenomenon back when people had to use fire for heating

06:50:18.700 instead of natural gas, things like this.

06:50:21.040 Because women would become immolated because they wore garments, which would catch on fire, 1.00

06:50:26.340 and so their hearth would kill them.

06:50:28.760 This was not a phenomenon which was associated with men.

06:50:32.260 It was associated with women. 0.94

06:50:33.780 Maybe men were better at tending the fire.

06:50:35.680 Women were the ones who kept the hearth going because they did the cooking on what? 1.00

06:50:40.700 The hearth.

06:50:41.600 They did all of the preparation for meals on the hearth.

06:50:44.960 Literally, this is feminine, and it's always traditionally been feminine that women actually 0.97

06:50:52.140 are the ones who keep the fires going and this type of thing, which is why we have the

06:50:57.420 phenomenon of hearth death.

06:50:59.380 But you don't think that we can redefine rules?

06:51:03.260 Not entirely, but specifically with fire.

06:51:06.260 Men, and especially if you have boys or little boys, they love fire.

06:51:10.920 They go through a phase where they love nothing more than fire, and I do think that fire in

06:51:15.660 general is more of a masculine essence. 1.00

06:51:18.420 So I wouldn't say seeing a guy light a fire and be like, oh, he's a bitch. 1.00

06:51:22.220 No, it's actually really sexy. 0.99

06:51:25.200 What makes fire masculine?

06:51:25.380 What would make that masculine?

06:51:26.400 Because it's powerful.

06:51:28.220 It's deadly.

06:51:29.140 It's something that is supposed to be like this.

06:51:31.400 Yeah, but look at this.

06:51:32.660 So we're not talking about fire.

06:51:35.740 I'm talking about who puts the logs in and keeps the fire burning.

06:51:40.900 In the hearth.

06:51:42.860 Well, that's going to be associative with cooking.

06:51:45.400 And who's associative?

06:51:46.180 Well, not anymore.

06:51:47.020 It's not.

06:51:47.500 So that's what I'm saying.

06:51:48.360 Like, maybe that's redefined because I know a lot.

06:51:50.580 And then grills.

06:51:51.220 That's true.

06:51:51.740 Now grilling is entirely the man's domain, and that's the more direct flame usually.

06:51:57.180 Yeah, but when you're talking about traditional norms that people are adhering to, meaning the

06:52:03.880 attractiveness of a traditional man seems to be higher than the attractiveness of a modern 0.99

06:52:08.400 man.

06:52:08.740 If that's the case, we're talking about tradition.

06:52:11.500 We're not talking about the subjective interpretation of gender norms changing over time.

06:52:17.300 Otherwise, we would be destroying what traditional means. 0.99

06:52:20.520 So the idea here that men going and doing the fucking laundry, you know, and sweeping 0.97

06:52:27.100 the floor and doing all these things, because by your own metric, you're actually at the 0.99

06:52:31.040 mercy of your own metric in another way, which is that who the fuck is going around the fireplace 0.98

06:52:36.520 now for heat? 0.99

06:52:37.580 Almost nobody.

06:52:38.680 Right?

06:52:38.900 Well, no, it's not for the purpose of heat.

06:52:40.520 It's the aesthetic.

06:52:41.060 Yeah, so even if that's the case, even if that's the case here that now this is masculine that

06:52:46.340 you stoke the fire, almost nobody's sitting around their hearth for warmth anymore.

06:52:50.340 That's not the way it works anymore.

06:52:51.660 We have natural gas and propane and electricity and everything else.

06:52:55.340 It's not that it's just not feminine.

06:52:56.660 I don't think that lighting a fire is inherently feminine.

06:52:59.520 I don't think any single woman is going to see a man light a fire and be like, he is a 1.00

06:53:03.320 bitch. 1.00

06:53:03.560 I no longer want to have sex with him. 1.00

06:53:04.980 And zero, zero women. 0.99

06:53:06.840 Sure.

06:53:07.160 It could be neutral.

06:53:07.740 Michael Jones donated $200.

06:53:11.080 There are only three reasons to debate.

06:53:14.140 One, the outcome of the debate directly affects people's lives.

06:53:18.920 Two, you think you can change the mind of your opponent.

06:53:22.760 Three, there's an audience.

06:53:25.160 Jesus is Lord.

06:53:26.920 Michael Jones, thank you, man.

06:53:28.520 I kind of agree with a lot of that.

06:53:29.840 But yeah, so the point here is like whether or not, even if I were just to kind of grant 0.90

06:53:35.300 that that fire itself is more masculine, that's not a fucking chore.

06:53:39.700 Like when people are referencing chores, they're not referencing, oh my God, I have to load the 0.97

06:53:44.280 fireplace and light it in modernity.

06:53:46.240 Like it has nothing to do with anything.

06:53:48.160 We're talking about laundry, washing socks, sweeping the floors, vacuuming, scrubbing 0.96

06:53:53.280 dishes, shit like that. 0.98

06:53:54.600 We're not talking about putting logs in a fire and lighting them. 0.99

06:53:58.400 I was talking about taking things off of her plate to help reduce her stress or overstimulus.

06:54:03.620 And if both people are working, how do you, how do you assign roles within the house?

06:54:08.120 Because most women are working. 1.00

06:54:10.260 Oh, this is great.

06:54:11.180 So we came to this question earlier when I was saying that you have a feminist stake. 1.00

06:54:15.000 So now we come full circle, which is great.

06:54:17.560 So the, I gave this same hypothetical back, which is who ultimately is going to be in the

06:54:23.200 position of authority.

06:54:24.680 So if you have a deal breaker, threshold breaker, something like this, who ends up in authority?

06:54:29.840 You, you said, well, it's equal, right?

06:54:32.120 So there's going to be, sometimes the man has authority, sometimes the woman has authority, 1.00

06:54:35.760 depending on what their tasks are that they do.

06:54:38.200 When it comes to choreing though, right?

06:54:40.440 Most men, they, they seem to be fine with women doing the choreing, right? 1.00

06:54:45.340 And the thing is, is like you could say, well, most women aren't fine with doing the choreing. 0.99

06:54:50.940 The problem is, is that why do they find it so attractive when men won't do the fucking 1.00

06:54:55.700 choreing? 0.97

06:54:56.140 So your idea here that, well, uh, in this is your summary of your argument that I wrote

06:55:01.440 down, women are into men who do chores so that they are less stressed, but I can't actually

06:55:07.780 find anything to back this up at all.

06:55:10.240 In fact, I, I find data that is contrary that they're looking for masculine men who provide

06:55:15.720 and don't do any chores.

06:55:16.980 So it has nothing to do with mate selection.

06:55:19.080 That wasn't the conversation at all.

06:55:20.640 It's once you're already in an established relationship and then those dynamics on what

06:55:24.740 is required for a woman to have arousal or pleasure is going to be completely different 0.97

06:55:28.020 than in the beginning of a relationship.

06:55:29.800 You build up resentment, contentment, there's stress.

06:55:32.300 The relationship is entirely different.

06:55:34.340 My point of it wasn't to, to like have your guy do chores.

06:55:38.060 It's having him want to unburden her with things that are stressing her out.

06:55:42.260 It's to help contribute.

06:55:43.360 And it's, if you say something to do something, it wasn't like, go do all of these chores

06:55:47.460 and be like my little pet.

06:55:48.820 It's like, if you said you were going to do something, the follow through is the thing

06:55:52.340 that's important.

06:55:52.920 The follow through or the lack thereof is the thing that is creating the issue between

06:55:56.900 her and her ability to have arousal or intimacy with you. 0.99

06:55:59.920 So it wasn't necessarily to men who don't do any of this shit, who follow through. 0.99

06:56:04.660 No, but if the men are with them, but if the men are with them, then they expect to change 0.98

06:56:10.160 your behavior to do chores, no, to follow through the chores was one example.

06:56:15.760 So it doesn't have to be taking out the trash or doing the dishes or any of that, especially

06:56:19.320 if that's not what's agreed upon in the relationship.

06:56:20.900 It's doing what you said you're going to do.

06:56:23.160 Like one example in a lot of relationship books, it's like this guy comes home and he just like

06:56:28.940 made a killing.

06:56:29.560 Like he just got a huge promotion or just like made a, like made a massive deal.

06:56:33.900 And he goes to his wife and he's like, I just landed this deal.

06:56:36.880 And he's so excited.

06:56:37.840 And the very first thing that she says is, well, you forgot the milk, right?

06:56:41.460 Cause like, and that has probably happened to so many men.

06:56:44.420 It's like an immediate nag. 0.98

06:56:45.640 How do I take away his win and bring him down a level?

06:56:48.240 That's an overstressed woman. 1.00

06:56:49.960 And what I'm seeing in that, it's not necessarily true as a pattern of behavior, a pattern of,

06:56:54.580 um, of lack of follow through.

06:56:56.600 So it's like, she doesn't care what you just did that you see as a success.

06:57:00.520 And she would, if you were actually being a man of weird word and following through with

06:57:04.020 all of these things.

06:57:04.640 It's she, she's pointing out how she sees you as unsafe or unreliable because she doesn't

06:57:09.660 see you doing the things that you're going to say, even if it's as tiny as getting the

06:57:13.100 milk.

06:57:13.400 So it has nothing to do with chores.

06:57:14.800 It's more of just like, this has to be final word.

06:57:17.480 It has to be final word.

06:57:19.040 Well, I actually understand the position really well.

06:57:21.080 I'll just steal man it very quickly because it's about follow through, right?

06:57:25.340 This, this has nothing to do.

06:57:26.720 Chores were an example that you were making and only an example, which comes to the follow

06:57:31.220 through and the reason that kind of the breakdown happens is specifically because they're not

06:57:35.900 seeing the type of follow through that they would want.

06:57:38.240 Yes.

06:57:38.780 Yeah.

06:57:39.240 Okay.

06:57:40.060 But don't you understand that there's an inference here?

06:57:42.680 That's kind of funny when you think about it. 0.99

06:57:44.740 This would mean that if men said, I'm not ever going to do any fucking chores ever. 0.96

06:57:49.520 And I'm going to, uh, essentially not do X, Y, and Z that if they compromised on that 0.94

06:57:55.640 for the relationship, they would be showing a lack of follow through.

06:57:59.580 It's like, so basically if they set the parameters, I'm going to remain in a giga chat for the 1.00

06:58:04.740 rest of my life and not do shit and bitch, you're going to fucking clean the house and 1.00

06:58:09.020 do the dishes. 1.00

06:58:09.700 And that's the thing they're attracted to that if men never backed off on that, that

06:58:14.040 would actually show that they have followed through.

06:58:16.200 No one's dating that guy.

06:58:18.780 Yeah.

06:58:19.140 But that has nothing to do with the point, right?

06:58:20.740 No, no.

06:58:21.220 And I think that that's not, that's not necessarily a fair analogy either because you can always

06:58:25.960 elevate, grow, or like do something out of love.

06:58:28.380 Like, right.

06:58:28.640 And that was part of the clip too, is little touch points of love and showing that I care

06:58:32.100 throughout the day.

06:58:32.680 So it's like, if I see that you need the slack picked up, I'm going to be here to support

06:58:36.380 you.

06:58:36.580 So again, it's not, it's not chores.

06:58:38.700 It's how are you showing up to support the person that you decided to like build a life

06:58:41.900 with.

06:58:42.560 Well, these are two different arguments.

06:58:44.480 The first one is it shows the lack of follow through and this builds resentment.

06:58:47.940 And then the second one is, well, wait a second.

06:58:50.280 No, it's really about the conduciveness to the differing needs that the various individuals

06:58:55.700 have.

06:58:56.060 Well, two things can be true at once.

06:58:56.920 Hang on, that change over time.

06:58:58.680 But here's the thing.

06:59:00.040 If one person's needs change over time, right?

06:59:02.780 And the one man hasn't compromised or done anything, he is actually showing follow through,

06:59:06.780 right?

06:59:07.920 No.

06:59:08.400 And your needs absolutely change over time.

06:59:11.020 I think in any relationship, especially long term, you're constantly evaluating.

06:59:14.320 I'm not saying needs don't change over time.

06:59:15.440 I'm talking about follow through.

06:59:16.560 If the one man does not change and the woman changes her needs. 0.75

06:59:19.960 No, follow through is I'm saying I'm going to do something for you and I don't do it.

06:59:23.980 Changing your mind or changing the dynamics of a relationship is just evolution that's

06:59:28.160 growing together or growing apart.

06:59:30.160 Like those are two different things.

06:59:32.440 I totally agree.

06:59:33.320 These are two separate arguments.

06:59:34.600 Right.

06:59:34.760 And then you can grow apart.

06:59:35.460 The one man says I have an uncompromising position to this relationship.

06:59:41.960 You're doing a false analogy.

06:59:43.940 It's not the same.

06:59:46.080 Those aren't the same thing.

06:59:47.580 That's not follow through.

06:59:48.500 You're describing something entirely different.

06:59:50.220 And then what you're describing is like everyone, when you get into a relationship, you decide

06:59:53.840 the parameters of the relationship, or at least you should if you're an adult, right?

06:59:56.680 These are the expectations that I have, values, principles.

06:59:59.240 We need to agree on that if we're going to move forward in a serious way.

07:00:02.060 Now, if something happens for whatever reason, and one of the parties changes their mind.

07:00:07.040 So let's use your example. 0.95

07:00:08.240 It's like, I'm never fucking touching a dish. 0.96

07:00:10.140 And like you are so firm. 0.99

07:00:11.020 And that girl is like, that's so hot. 1.00

07:00:12.680 I want to be a stay at home and you go work.

07:00:15.460 And right.

07:00:15.780 That's the agreement.

07:00:16.660 Something happens.

07:00:17.660 She changes her mind.

07:00:18.560 She's like, I'm overwhelmed.

07:00:19.620 I actually really need you.

07:00:20.840 I want to go work.

07:00:22.140 I'm, I don't want to stay at home.

07:00:23.520 And I expect 50, 50. 0.98

07:00:25.020 And you don't want to budge because that's, you know, like your principles haven't changed.

07:00:29.500 Well, now you're no longer compatible, but that's not,

07:00:31.800 it's not a follow-up thing.

07:00:33.360 So wait, you know, this would be follow through.

07:00:36.260 So this would be the man following through with exactly what he said, why he said it,

07:00:39.680 when he said it, not changing a bit.

07:00:42.020 She changes, right?

07:00:43.840 She changes.

07:00:44.740 She's actually not following through.

07:00:46.820 Why is it that she decided to change her mind on all of these things that she agreed to?

07:00:52.480 That sounds like she's lacking the follow through. 1.00

07:00:54.720 Well, follow through is not a...

07:00:56.000 Hold on, hold on.

07:00:56.320 I've given you guys 15 minutes to discuss this.

07:00:59.420 You can each make one final point.

07:01:01.400 Keep it short.

07:01:02.020 Go ahead.

07:01:03.960 My, my point is men and women are fundamentally different in pretty much every way, 1.00

07:01:08.520 especially when it comes to arousal, pleasure, what we perceive as, as threats.

07:01:14.000 And to talk about like values and what we value in a mate, those are going to be different things.

07:01:19.140 So if we were saying we value follow through in a man, that's not really valued in women. 0.87

07:01:23.680 There's like a category of like top six things, follow through is not there.

07:01:27.880 A man being dependable is like top three of what women want. 1.00

07:01:30.860 So yeah, you can't compare what you want from a man from a woman unless you want to date a dude. 0.80

07:01:35.420 And my, my, I would, I would just say this, that the, uh, the actual position contradicts

07:01:40.800 itself almost immediately the second we get into it.

07:01:43.160 And also I would further state, she is right.

07:01:45.440 Men and women are different that women often will succumb to social pressure and won't tell 0.99

07:01:50.300 the truth based on, uh, expectations that they have because socially it looks really bad for

07:01:56.180 them.

07:01:56.500 So in the case of like, well, men aren't really following through here and that's what's

07:02:00.380 happening, we actually demonstrated the reverse that if the man continues with his exact line

07:02:06.080 that he started the relationship with, she changed her mind.

07:02:08.560 It's a lack of follow through on her part.

07:02:10.720 Right.

07:02:11.460 And there's no way around that.

07:02:13.000 And so what, what ends up happening is, but that doesn't sound socially great to say,

07:02:17.400 well, the woman here really, she changed it up halfway through and he stayed the same.

07:02:23.320 So instead she says, well, the man's just not growing with the woman, right?

07:02:26.920 This is part of how women tend to lie when it comes to the idea, uh, socially. 1.00

07:02:32.340 That wasn't a lie.

07:02:33.320 I know we can't end with it.

07:02:34.960 I'm not saying you're lying.

07:02:36.140 I'm not saying you're lying.

07:02:37.800 I'm saying this is a great example of how it is that when there's social pressures,

07:02:42.820 and you don't want to say what's true because it sounds bad, it makes women look bad, right?

07:02:47.480 Then what happens is colorful language like follow through.

07:02:49.980 Why isn't this man following through?

07:02:51.640 Upon the changes in the mental state the woman has, why is he supposed to follow through on 1.00

07:02:57.140 her fucking mental states? 1.00

07:02:59.080 It's follow through on what your word was as a man. 1.00

07:03:02.640 I have to move it on.

07:03:03.600 I have to move it on.

07:03:04.520 You said you got the text.

07:03:05.900 Let's go into that.

07:03:07.960 Oh, for the thing?

07:03:09.060 Yeah.

07:03:09.360 Let me see if I got a name.

07:03:11.080 I thought we already settled it with the bowing.

07:03:13.100 Well, I thought you said there was like more info that came through.

07:03:15.600 Yeah, it's again just more running around in circles, so yeah, nothing worth sharing.

07:03:25.460 And then we need a couple of tweets.

07:03:27.980 I guess the only thing left in your notes, Candice, is that you said you see a tendency

07:03:31.700 to pick girls for the show to belittle them and show them in an awful light. 0.85

07:03:35.460 This is from some of your earlier messages.

07:03:37.380 I don't know if this is still your position or if it is still your position.

07:03:40.680 I think that you have in the past, and I mean, I can't speak beyond this panel because it's

07:03:48.560 the only one I've seen in them versus clips, but when I see certain behaviors coming out

07:03:53.720 from some of the female guests, there's no way you didn't know that they were going to 0.96

07:03:57.060 respond in a certain way or just be like massively underprepared for like the pressure of coming

07:04:01.520 on a big show or like you kind of know what personality and like obviously Andrew knows

07:04:07.260 exactly what strings to pull, and you can get a reaction out of that.

07:04:12.920 And right, it's the clip economy, so it is what it is, but there, I mean, there absolutely

07:04:17.800 is a pattern there.

07:04:19.260 I mean, you can go through reels.

07:04:20.340 I'm going to be completely honest.

07:04:21.140 I don't ever know who's going on the show until the day of the show.

07:04:24.020 Well, whoever's in charge of booking then, you know what I mean?

07:04:26.780 Like, you can look at their content.

07:04:29.180 No, I said you're good at pulling strings.

07:04:30.700 That's what I was saying.

07:04:31.580 Yeah, sure, sure.

07:04:32.160 But that can't be because I have a preconceived notion of how to do this with the person.

07:04:36.920 No, that's not what I said.

07:04:38.040 That's not what I said.

07:04:39.420 Yeah, I'm just pointing out that literally until the day of the show, Brian does not actually

07:04:45.080 share that information with me.

07:04:46.560 I don't think I've ever really asked him to, to be fair.

07:04:48.380 No one said that.

07:04:49.100 He doesn't.

07:04:50.320 What's that?

07:04:50.980 No one said that you had the information who was going on the show.

07:04:54.080 Yeah, there's an inference there when you say, well...

07:04:57.320 We're not allowed to infer earlier.

07:04:58.700 When you say, I believe that the people who come on the show, you're specifically vetting

07:05:02.960 them for the purposes of being able to push their buttons.

07:05:05.440 Well, here...

07:05:06.320 I didn't say that either.

07:05:08.080 Now, case in point here, right? 0.99

07:05:09.460 I think Lily Phillips is on the show today because she's famous because she wants to fuck 1.00

07:05:13.000 a thousand guys, right? 1.00

07:05:14.140 And she just had a bunch of viral clips.

07:05:16.040 That's why I think she's here.

07:05:17.460 I don't think that she's here for the nefarious reason of Brian wanting to push her buttons.

07:05:22.500 I don't think that that's particularly...

07:05:24.100 I'm here to debate important issues.

07:05:26.060 She pushed my buttons. 0.93

07:05:28.700 Yeah, right.

07:05:29.880 But you wouldn't be here debating those important issues if there wasn't some notoriety which

07:05:34.920 made you worth debating those important issues with.

07:05:37.460 Yeah, but you can't compare her to a lot of the other girls that have these viral clips 1.00

07:05:41.580 that have no social media following, that aren't engaging in a conversation, that are

07:05:46.500 super emotional, or they come here to...

07:05:48.340 I do see a lot of girls coming to pick fights, and that has happened more, and it has changed 0.99

07:05:52.760 my opinion a little bit about the show.

07:05:54.560 Well, like, but I'll invite people on who, like, clearly disagree with me or have negative

07:05:58.640 attitudes toward the podcast. 1.00

07:06:00.200 I mean, she said the podcast is stupid, and my response is not to be like, well, fuck you. 1.00

07:06:05.060 You're stupid. 1.00

07:06:05.540 I'm like, come on the show. 1.00

07:06:06.640 Let me hear you out.

07:06:07.300 Um, and I think you, maybe in your first message, you had perhaps some negative connotations

07:06:12.740 or negative opinions toward the podcast.

07:06:15.020 Uh, my response to criticism, and I've had really, actually some really nasty initial

07:06:18.900 messages, like straight up insulting.

07:06:21.160 Um, you know, they'll call me ugly, whatever.

07:06:23.340 I won't even insult them back.

07:06:24.640 I'll just be like, come on the show and let's have a conversation about it.

07:06:26.940 Um, so I'm actually quite open to hearing contrary, uh, opinions and positions.

07:06:33.140 Uh, but, um, I, I, can you make the point very quickly that, like, all of what any of

07:06:40.200 these guests would ever have to do is watch one or two episodes and do their due diligence

07:06:45.960 to very quickly ascertain what they would be in for or not in for?

07:06:50.160 Like, didn't you do that?

07:06:51.920 Didn't all of you guys do that?

07:06:53.500 Well, yeah, and then, I mean, there was also ground rules, like, be respectful, that's

07:06:58.000 been broken a thousand times and other topics.

07:07:00.840 Who was disrespectful to you?

07:07:01.860 I think you've been disrespectful to almost everyone on this panel at some point.

07:07:05.880 Yeah, I know, but that's what, here's the thing that's so funny, and it's why I call

07:07:08.760 you a feminist, right? 1.00

07:07:10.180 I literally am not treating you any differently than I would treat any other man who is sitting 0.99

07:07:14.680 exactly where you're sitting.

07:07:15.740 The problem is, is that inside of most women's brains, they pretend that they want to be treated 1.00

07:07:21.140 equally, or they pretend that they want egalitarianism, and then the second you give them egalitarianism,

07:07:26.480 they get very upset, right?

07:07:27.960 We haven't actually had any insulting exchanges. 0.99

07:07:30.360 Yes, you actually called her dumb. 0.99

07:07:32.720 Very loud and clear. 1.00

07:07:34.020 I didn't call her dumb. 0.98

07:07:35.040 You definitely did. 1.00

07:07:35.940 It was stupid or dumb. 1.00

07:07:37.440 One of the other. 1.00

07:07:38.460 Yeah, you did. 1.00

07:07:39.120 No, no, no, I called chair one dumb. 0.99

07:07:41.200 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

07:07:41.860 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

07:07:42.980 That's what I'm saying.

07:07:43.640 Yeah.

07:07:44.100 Yeah, but that has nothing to do with her.

07:07:45.820 I haven't been disrespectful.

07:07:46.720 You can excuse every insult you make.

07:07:49.360 It's incredible.

07:07:50.220 I have to give you credit for that.

07:07:51.700 It's actually incredible.

07:07:53.180 Well, she's been actually engaging.

07:07:55.260 And by the way, I haven't insulted you either.

07:07:56.860 What did I insult you with?

07:07:57.760 No, my point is that you can literally excuse everything you do and make it right, because

07:08:02.520 your biggest priority is to be right.

07:08:04.920 And I have to give you kudos to that.

07:08:06.380 You're good at it.

07:08:07.380 Yeah, but if your priority is to be right because you are right, what's wrong with that?

07:08:12.860 You made my point clear.

07:08:14.000 Thank you.

07:08:14.300 Yeah, as an example, for example, he said-

07:08:16.760 Well, I mean, you made my point clear, too.

07:08:17.980 Thank you.

07:08:18.440 So anyway, back to this real quick.

07:08:20.160 For example, it's very-

07:08:21.400 I don't think you're right.

07:08:22.500 Hold on.

07:08:22.760 All the time.

07:08:23.600 Go ahead, Ayla. 0.94

07:08:24.240 Go ahead.

07:08:24.540 That's fine.

07:08:25.200 And I'm wrong sometimes.

07:08:26.300 I've just been wrong tonight, too.

07:08:27.660 Hold on.

07:08:28.160 Go ahead, Ayla. 0.94

07:08:28.780 Go ahead.

07:08:29.220 Just use a very quick example.

07:08:30.480 You were like, oh, you've been very disrespectful.

07:08:33.100 And then he was like, well, who's been disrespectful or something?

07:08:36.900 No, yeah, yeah.

07:08:37.600 You were like, people are very disrespectful here.

07:08:39.060 And then he sort of challenged this.

07:08:40.320 And then he said, well, you have been.

07:08:41.340 And then he said, well, yeah, and then I quickly shifted the topic.

07:08:44.900 Just as an example, it's sort of the conversational strategy that I think is regularly at play here.

07:08:49.460 I'm happy to engage with the topic.

07:08:51.060 I actually asked her, how have I been disrespectful to you?

07:08:55.960 And the answer is, how?

07:08:58.720 Well, what?

07:08:59.920 What have I done?

07:09:01.380 Because I'm patched in remotely-

07:09:03.200 You have several conversational techniques that I could name if you'd like.

07:09:06.520 Hang on.

07:09:06.920 Because, hang on, stop.

07:09:08.340 That's disrespectful.

07:09:09.620 So because I've had to interject a couple of times because I'm in, I'm patched in remotely.

07:09:13.740 I'm not in the studio.

07:09:15.100 Like, what have I actually said to you that's actually disrespectful except challenge your views?

07:09:21.060 Not you, Ayla.

07:09:22.400 I'm talking, I'm not talking to Ayla.

07:09:24.080 No, for me, it would be the constant interruption and then also the tone.

07:09:28.140 Like, there's a, like, tone is absolutely respectful or disrespectful.

07:09:31.600 And you call me, oh, I don't know why that's amusing, but I wouldn't want anyone talking to my kid that way or, like, anyone that I cared about that way.

07:09:39.880 What's the tone?

07:09:40.320 Your tone has been super condescending.

07:09:43.080 I just don't comment on it.

07:09:44.480 I don't think that's true at all.

07:09:46.600 Yeah, I know you don't think that, but you see these subjective metrics of tone.

07:09:50.160 Give me something I said. 0.99

07:09:51.220 Did I call you a whore? 1.00

07:09:52.180 Did I call you a slut? 1.00

07:09:53.680 Did I call you a skank? 1.00

07:09:54.700 Did I say you're fucking horrible? 1.00

07:09:56.160 Do you think that's... 1.00

07:09:56.800 I didn't say, hang on, I didn't say any of these things.

07:09:59.580 Instead, I simply challenged the things that you view as being true and gave you challenges to them.

07:10:06.180 What did I actually say to you, though, that was insulting? 0.97

07:10:09.660 You can be, and I said disrespectful and not insulting, and you can be disrespectful without blatantly calling someone a whore. 0.88

07:10:16.800 If that's, like, your only metric, then, of course, you're not going to think that you're being disrespectful. 0.99

07:10:20.140 Would you say in the future I should just go ahead and call women whores? 1.00

07:10:23.160 No, I certainly don't. 0.97

07:10:24.640 Hang on, since I will instead be attacked as being disrespectful regardless.

07:10:28.020 No, I'm giving you my experience with you, and I feel that a lot of people would have my opinion, and I know a lot of people are going to have yours.

07:10:35.340 I'm telling you that I feel that this conversation has been very disrespectful with you.

07:10:39.180 I feel that you have been extraordinarily disrespectful.

07:10:43.060 You're a tone.

07:10:44.680 From now on, hang on, from now on, when you talk to me, I need you to use a sing-song voice, the sing-iest, song-iest voice you can possibly think of, because otherwise I feel disrespected.

07:10:55.880 Now, I can't give you any particular words that you've said, any particular phrases, any particular insults, because none of that matters. 0.97

07:11:03.700 What matters is that inside of my brain, I perceive your non-sang-song voice as being fucking disrespectful. 0.96

07:11:11.460 So that's how you, that's okay? 0.99

07:11:13.420 You would be okay with someone talking to your wife that way? 1.00

07:11:15.560 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

07:11:16.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

07:11:16.100 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

07:11:16.120 Hang on, hang on.

07:11:16.200 Hang on, hang on.

07:11:16.620 Hang on, hang on.

07:11:17.120 Would you be okay with someone talking to your wife that way, or a man talking to your wife that way? 0.99

07:11:21.080 Right now, right?

07:11:22.320 Wait, wait, get Rachel. 1.00

07:11:23.500 There's no way.

07:11:24.700 Rachel came out?

07:11:25.880 Rachel came out?

07:11:26.820 You want to talk to the wife? 1.00

07:11:27.700 No, I don't.

07:11:28.420 Yeah, I'll bring her down. 0.94

07:11:29.340 Oh, bring her down. 1.00

07:11:30.360 No, I, here, I, I, I, really quick, just say hi for just a second.

07:11:34.480 I would love for you to talk to me that way in front of my man.

07:11:38.740 She's coming, she's already coming, she's already down.

07:11:40.160 She's already bringing the, she's. 1.00

07:11:41.480 Yeah, I would say it in front of your man, he wouldn't do shit. 0.99

07:11:43.620 Yeah, oh, please. 0.99

07:11:44.560 Oh my, oh, yeah.

07:11:45.620 Please, let's test it.

07:11:48.040 Please.

07:11:48.240 Where's my sing-song voice?

07:11:49.580 Give me my sing-song voice.

07:11:50.580 Oh my goodness, what is going on?

07:11:52.780 I'd make a great Roman emperor.

07:11:54.280 Rachel, Rachel, where's my sing-song voice?

07:11:54.700 Rachel, are you in chat?

07:11:56.120 Yo, Rachel, are you in chat?

07:11:57.380 No, it's midnight.

07:11:58.340 I'm heading out.

07:11:59.280 I have to go to the night.

07:11:59.980 Yeah, I want to go out.

07:12:00.220 We're almost done.

07:12:00.840 Wait, wait, wait.

07:12:01.240 No, no, no, sir.

07:12:02.280 Wait, wait, wait, we're almost done.

07:12:03.740 Oh.

07:12:06.220 You're, he's proud of himself for.

07:12:09.000 Are we doing now?

07:12:09.860 No, no, no, we're almost done.

07:12:10.720 Stay, stay, stay.

07:12:11.540 We're, we got, we're wrapping up.

07:12:13.980 I'll leave the video if you want.

07:12:15.080 Candice, we're.

07:12:16.680 Candice.

07:12:17.780 Candice.

07:12:18.100 Yeah.

07:12:18.640 It's so past our bedtime.

07:12:19.440 No, no, no, we're going to stay for the roast anyway.

07:12:20.640 We're almost done, just wait.

07:12:21.720 For the roast?

07:12:22.480 He's already done enough.

07:12:23.200 Yeah, we're almost done.

07:12:24.000 Just wait.

07:12:24.940 I'm going to go check on her.

07:12:25.860 I'll be right back.

07:12:26.760 I, okay, that's fine.

07:12:28.960 Uh, all right.

07:12:30.680 Aw, she rage quit. 0.93

07:12:31.980 Aw.

07:12:34.660 All right.

07:12:35.540 Like, come on.

07:12:36.380 Let's hit the insults. 0.61

07:12:37.800 Just do, just get it over with.

07:12:39.620 Yeah.

07:12:40.380 Uh, there was like some tweets we had to react to.

07:12:42.820 Here's what I'm going to do.

07:12:44.320 Yeah, we, we got to do it, man.

07:12:45.780 I know.

07:12:46.720 This, uh, uh, one sec, guys.

07:12:49.380 I'm going to get that all changed.

07:12:50.820 Uh, I guess any other final thoughts from any of the remaining panelists on the table?

07:12:57.220 No.

07:12:57.920 I mean, it doesn't even matter.

07:13:01.600 Sorry for the quick exit, but I'm going to go.

07:13:04.020 Carly, it totally, it totally matters, Carly.

07:13:06.540 Really?

07:13:07.060 We're almost done.

07:13:09.140 I, I told her I would come.

07:13:11.100 Is she still here, Candace?

07:13:11.540 I want to be with her.

07:13:12.120 It's okay.

07:13:12.860 Candace?

07:13:13.460 Uh, you guys were lovely.

07:13:14.620 Can we coax her? 1.00

07:13:15.260 Oh, you're lovely.

07:13:15.640 We can coax her back.

07:13:15.900 Thank you so much.

07:13:16.700 Yeah, it was nice to meet you.

07:13:17.800 I don't like you very much.

07:13:19.320 All right.

07:13:19.800 Thank you for, uh, like me.

07:13:21.220 I'm going to go.

07:13:21.920 Oh.

07:13:22.540 Wait a minute, guys, stay.

07:13:23.620 Stay.

07:13:24.320 I'm so tired.

07:13:24.440 I'm so afraid.

07:13:25.440 I'm sorry.

07:13:26.180 Oh, my God.

07:13:27.800 Are you guys all, we're almost done.

07:13:30.160 If you guys can be polite and stay for the rest of the show.

07:13:37.920 Carly's a team player. 0.80

07:13:39.400 She's going to stay.

07:13:40.480 Lily.

07:13:41.580 I'm on jet lag, too.

07:13:42.800 You know, it's 3 a.m.

07:13:44.920 where I'm from.

07:13:46.040 Where's Becca?

07:13:47.440 Is Becca coming back?

07:13:49.080 It just keeps going in circles.

07:13:52.400 Becca, here.

07:13:52.880 Just take another seat.

07:13:53.900 Here.

07:13:54.120 Carly.

07:13:54.760 Take that seat.

07:13:57.060 Carly, take that seat. 0.97

07:13:58.340 Lily, take that seat. 0.71

07:13:59.280 Becca, take that seat. 0.64

07:14:00.220 Careful out there, guys.

07:14:01.340 Like, 5, 6.

07:14:03.100 Here.

07:14:03.500 Just take your seat, guys. 1.00

07:14:05.240 God damn, bro. 0.99

07:14:06.180 Just, guys, we're almost done. 1.00

07:14:17.060 We're almost done.

07:14:18.880 Here.

07:14:19.260 No, Carly, Carly, Carly, you there.

07:14:21.280 Lily, you there.

07:14:22.500 In that middle of the seat.

07:14:23.760 And then, is Becca still back there?

07:14:25.060 Becca, just rejoin the panel.

07:14:28.660 Here.

07:14:29.160 Actually, I can see that my presence has been very offensive.

07:14:32.340 It's 3 o'clock in the morning, anyway.

07:14:33.400 That's my dip time.

07:14:34.160 Yeah.

07:14:34.400 It was very, very nice to meet all of you.

07:14:36.660 I'm sorry my tone was so upsetting.

07:14:38.760 My job is to challenge your worldview, right?

07:14:42.480 Andrew, hang up the FaceTime.

07:14:44.700 You're all equal with me.

07:14:45.620 Just let me say one thing before you go, Andrew.

07:14:47.840 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

07:14:49.820 I'm just, I'm just giving you...

07:14:51.000 Hang on.

07:14:51.720 You don't even have to deal with me in two seconds, right? 1.00

07:14:53.960 She's going to go, ah, fuck 1,000 men. 1.00

07:14:55.760 You're going to do your thing. 1.00

07:14:56.560 Like, we're all going to do our thing.

07:14:57.960 So I'm just saying, my job is literally to be here to challenge your worldview.

07:15:02.380 That's what I'm here to do.

07:15:03.780 I did it well.

07:15:04.860 You guys got super pissed off.

07:15:06.180 Even though I didn't actually insult you.

07:15:07.300 I wouldn't say super pissed off.

07:15:08.940 I'm not even... 1.00

07:15:10.580 Fuck off. 1.00

07:15:11.520 Like, please leave. 1.00

07:15:12.660 And it's an insult that you're going to go out and fuck 1,000 men. 1.00

07:15:15.760 That's your thing. 1.00

07:15:16.840 I'm not insulted that I'm fucking 1,000 men. 0.98

07:15:18.680 But we're not getting into this because I can't be able to fight with you right now. 0.97

07:15:22.540 Well, you guys have a wonderful evening.

07:15:24.180 Okay.

07:15:25.160 Thanks, Andrew.

07:15:32.300 Hide it.

07:15:33.340 Hide it.

07:15:36.020 Okay.

07:15:37.440 I need to talk to this.

07:15:38.600 No, just don't, don't, don't, don't.

07:15:39.960 All right, guys, TTS has been lowered to, TTS has been lowered to, what's it called?

07:15:49.260 $30.

07:15:52.280 So, let me see a couple things, guys.

07:15:56.340 All right, the roast session, $30, TTS.

07:16:00.320 Let's see.

07:16:01.180 Oh, is this where we sit down and get roasted?

07:16:03.760 Oh, yeah.

07:16:04.800 Oh, yeah.

07:16:05.260 And this will be my favorite talking part of the show.

07:16:07.800 I think everything has been changed.

07:16:12.880 Everything should be changed.

07:16:14.940 Is she still, is somebody still back there or they all left?

07:16:17.640 No, I think she left.

07:16:20.260 And then she left, yeah.

07:16:22.220 Okay.

07:16:25.680 Yeah, why don't you, why don't you take a seat then?

07:16:30.180 Can you sit down?

07:16:31.160 Yeah.

07:16:32.420 All right.

07:16:39.620 All right, guys.

07:16:40.900 $30 TTS.

07:16:42.940 If you want to get it in, $30 TTS, if you want to get it in, one sec, guys, let me make sure.

07:16:47.860 Everything's all set here.

07:16:49.700 Should be good.

07:16:50.660 Should be good if you want to get them in.

07:16:52.100 Um, we'll do a brief roast session, then we're going to get this wrapped up here in, uh, a sec.

07:16:59.800 All right.

07:17:00.820 Uh, let's see if there's any other final things here.

07:17:06.020 Um, any other notes?

07:17:08.240 No.

07:17:08.540 I think that's pretty much it. 1.00

07:17:10.560 Uh, fuck. 1.00

07:17:11.940 What was the, oh, the makeup shit. 1.00

07:17:13.380 Fuck it. 1.00

07:17:13.660 Why not? 1.00

07:17:14.020 We'll do that.

07:17:15.400 Uh, who here is willing to take off their makeup?

07:17:19.980 Ooh, that brand.

07:17:20.920 You down?

07:17:22.100 You don't like the brand?

07:17:23.800 This is literally, I changed the brand.

07:17:25.940 It used to be Neutrogena.

07:17:27.080 Now it's the good brand.

07:17:28.400 Mm-mm.

07:17:29.240 This is like the...

07:17:31.280 I like, um, the, like, micellar water.

07:17:34.000 Oh, into the mic if you can?

07:17:35.760 I personally prefer micellar water.

07:17:37.840 Yeah.

07:17:38.140 Hooray.

07:17:38.680 Garnier.

07:17:41.360 Um, so who's, Carly, you down to do it?

07:17:44.460 Take the makeup off?

07:17:46.180 All right, here, I'm going to send, send that down if you guys want to do it.

07:17:49.720 Just take a wipe.

07:17:51.040 All right, we have... 1.00

07:17:52.300 Oh, these are kind of shit. 0.99

07:17:54.000 No, those are good. 1.00

07:17:55.140 I need to put my face cream on.

07:17:55.820 Someone literally record...

07:17:56.700 Here, I have the Neutrogena.

07:17:58.880 Nobody likes it. 1.00

07:18:00.340 It's such coke, fucking lie. 1.00

07:18:01.960 Oh, it's the brand. 1.00

07:18:03.560 Here, there's some Neutrogena.

07:18:04.500 No, but this just, I feel like, makes your skin, like, red roll. 0.90

07:18:06.840 Into the mic.

07:18:07.840 Into the mic.

07:18:08.040 Sorry, I feel like that makes your skin red roll. 1.00

07:18:10.340 That's kind of the worst.

07:18:11.320 Wait, why are we doing this?

07:18:12.460 We'll donate it for $50.

07:18:13.760 Uh, for science.

07:18:14.620 For science.

07:18:15.320 Will you go on a date with me?

07:18:17.760 He wants a model. 0.86

07:18:18.740 He's got a model practice.

07:18:19.140 Into the mic, into the mic, into the mic.

07:18:21.340 No.

07:18:22.300 Okay.

07:18:23.820 She has, will, she has rejected your proposal.

07:18:29.880 All right.

07:18:30.700 What else do we have to do?

07:18:31.840 There's, I feel like there's something we're forgetting.

07:18:34.580 I don't know.

07:18:35.220 There's a bunch of tweets, but at this point, we're just not going to do them.

07:18:39.600 Don't worry.

07:18:44.440 Yeah, I can't even get that open.

07:18:45.880 Do it.

07:18:46.400 I can't get it open.

07:18:47.700 Lily, help her out. 1.00

07:18:48.540 I don't want to put the Neutrogena.

07:18:49.640 Help her out. 0.97

07:18:50.520 Take the Neutrogena wipe, then, if you can't do it.

07:18:52.400 All right.

07:18:53.380 All right.

07:18:53.920 We have a message here from Michael Jones.

07:18:55.780 Michael Jones donated $30.

07:18:58.420 W. Brian.

07:18:59.980 W. Andrew.

07:19:01.440 W. Rachel.

07:19:03.020 L-Tism Girl. 1.00

07:19:04.000 L-Feminist. 1.00

07:19:05.980 Honestly, W for one of the most honest panels in a while.

07:19:10.200 L for not waiting until marriage.

07:19:12.540 Jesus is Lord.

07:19:14.220 Yeah, thank you, Michael Jones.

07:19:15.280 It's not before marriage.

07:19:15.740 I appreciate the message.

07:19:17.340 Big Sas Energy donated $30. 0.98

07:19:20.300 Lily, effing 1,000 men will limit you to the absolute lowest scum of men on the planet. 0.98

07:19:25.340 That is, if you could ever get one to commit after. 0.99

07:19:28.360 Your father loves you.

07:19:29.700 That is why he doesn't want this for you.

07:19:32.340 Lily, take the makeup on. 0.99

07:19:35.260 Why don't, why are you employing me to take my, I didn't say I would. 0.71

07:19:39.880 I didn't say I would. 0.99

07:19:41.060 I'm not taking it off for that shit. 0.99

07:19:42.260 Not the, oh, it's the brand. 1.00

07:19:43.860 No, I, I like micellar water.

07:19:45.320 I don't take it off.

07:19:45.640 Who was it in my Discord?

07:19:47.040 Was it Randy?

07:19:47.840 Who's like, it was Randy. 1.00

07:19:48.840 Who's like, bro, the girls don't fuck with the Neutrogena. 1.00

07:19:51.320 Get the honest. 0.99

07:19:52.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, don't even get, don't get makeup wipes. 0.88

07:19:55.040 Yeah, we don't fucking go really, Red Raw.

07:19:56.960 What do you use? 0.95

07:19:57.880 I use micellar water.

07:19:59.060 Yeah.

07:19:59.520 What?

07:20:00.280 Micellar water.

07:20:01.680 Micellar water?

07:20:02.360 It's got like a pink lid.

07:20:03.220 It's gone, yeah.

07:20:03.820 Okay.

07:20:04.460 It's like way better.

07:20:05.160 And you pour it onto an actual.

07:20:06.600 Wait, did this one come through?

07:20:08.020 Red tank top?

07:20:08.780 Spicyween 89 donated $50.

07:20:10.260 Will you date Spicyween 89?

07:20:12.440 Maybe for Spicyween 89, but I'm still going to have to say no.

07:20:16.140 Oh, wow.

07:20:16.760 Okay.

07:20:17.580 All right.

07:20:18.360 Here we go.

07:20:18.840 We have Thor.

07:20:19.900 Oh, wait. 0.62

07:20:20.460 What the hell? 0.95

07:20:21.700 Yo, Spicyween.

07:20:22.440 Thank you, man.

07:20:23.440 Thor donated $30.

07:20:25.680 A cat has nine lives, a few 304s have more than nine bodies, that kitty is dead, except

07:20:31.540 Lily, it's mummified.

07:20:33.020 Make low body count great again.

07:20:35.340 Only Vans is proof that women are okay with being objectified for money. 1.00

07:20:41.440 Thor donated $30.

07:20:43.480 Is that not a broco? 0.97

07:20:44.520 He's going to make a therapist very rich sometime fucking lost, so we go and take a 0.99

07:20:48.980 shower. 0.99

07:20:49.600 Brian tossed the chair away and burn it after the show that thing stank, can smell it through

07:20:54.280 the screen.

07:20:56.200 Wait, like the original chair one, or I don't know?

07:20:58.720 Yeah, not you.

07:20:59.800 I'm not sure.

07:21:00.220 Yeah, she smelled great, so.

07:21:01.320 Whatever, that was mean.

07:21:02.540 Myth busted.

07:21:04.360 Mookie donated $30.

07:21:06.700 All girls should have walked out. 1.00

07:21:09.200 Andrew is a pain. 1.00

07:21:10.660 He will kill your views. 1.00

07:21:12.820 What an annoying, violent man. 1.00

07:21:14.520 Hell yeah. 0.98

07:21:14.880 Well, I think that he's delusional, since he believes in a book written 3,000 years ago.

07:21:19.640 To Jillo donated $30.

07:21:21.800 A thousand men in one day, huh?

07:21:24.340 Less that gash of yours is going to be deeper than the Mariana Trench when that's over.

07:21:29.160 Don't worry, she's already like the Dartford Tunnel.

07:21:32.320 Can you guys hold up the makeup?

07:21:33.760 Can you hold it up to the camera?

07:21:35.360 Just hold it up so we see the damage.

07:21:37.800 I'm not done yet, but...

07:21:38.860 She's still working on it.

07:21:39.920 And then we have these girls over here. 1.00

07:21:41.240 Just hold it like this.

07:21:43.980 I've never seen this done on a podcast before.

07:21:45.820 I know.

07:21:46.240 You should totally join in on this, Lily.

07:21:49.060 No, thanks.

07:21:50.020 And do the makeup challenge.

07:21:51.560 It's fine. 0.99

07:21:51.980 Having sex with a hundred guys without any makeup. 0.99

07:21:54.540 There's no time. 0.99

07:21:55.140 I have a lot of sex without makeup.

07:21:57.320 Oh, okay. 0.98

07:21:57.720 That's cool.

07:21:57.960 It's not something that I don't mind saying.

07:21:59.080 O.J. Simpson donated $30.

07:22:01.400 Chariot, you've been nothing but compliant and kind, but I know it's stank girl. 1.00

07:22:09.740 What? 0.90

07:22:10.640 Do you want to respond?

07:22:12.440 Am I cherry?

07:22:13.880 You're cherry, yeah.

07:22:17.980 Okay.

07:22:18.640 Oh, look.

07:22:19.820 I mean...

07:22:20.480 It's so pretty.

07:22:23.880 Okay.

07:22:25.140 Uh, let's see. 1.00

07:22:26.840 Whoa, what the fuck? 1.00

07:22:27.560 You guys look so different. 1.00

07:22:29.440 No, I'm taking it.

07:22:31.120 Drewski donated $30.

07:22:32.400 It's a drag.

07:22:33.580 You guys are so cringe.

07:22:35.280 Want equality in every way, but as soon as someone treats you like a true equal, you rage and cry.

07:22:41.140 Also, I come on a dating pod and stone wall with your essay stories, not the place.

07:22:48.520 All right.

07:22:49.120 Thank you, Drewski.

07:22:50.160 We have another one here.

07:22:52.820 I don't think it's okay stories.

07:22:54.540 Outrage donated $30.

07:22:56.480 This panel, though, with oars and yikes, most definitely Lily Big Yikes, W, pre-Big W, Andrew, not one step back.

07:23:07.200 Whatever that means.

07:23:08.220 Outrage.

07:23:08.700 Thank you so much for the message.

07:23:09.600 I really appreciate it.

07:23:11.160 Not one step back.

07:23:11.800 Great waste of $30.

07:23:14.260 Let's see here.

07:23:15.100 We have Aaron Chambers.

07:23:17.660 Shout out from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

07:23:20.040 Brian, love your show.

07:23:22.120 Love tuning into your viewpoints, especially with Andrew.

07:23:24.140 It's opened a new world for me. 1.00

07:23:25.180 Alabama whooped Texas ass tonight. 1.00

07:23:27.060 Hashtag World Tide. 0.99

07:23:29.440 We got that there.

07:23:30.600 Guys, final call on the $30.

07:23:33.340 Last call.

07:23:34.020 Last call on the $30.

07:23:36.500 Whoops.

07:23:36.820 Did I mess that up?

07:23:38.000 I didn't even change it in the pinned chat.

07:23:40.720 I can't believe people would pay $30 to put a comment.

07:23:43.600 I mean.

07:23:44.200 Yeah.

07:23:44.680 They're not even roasting, really.

07:23:46.700 Oh, guys, Carly is dissatisfied with the roast quality. 1.00

07:23:52.800 Step up the roast and direct some at her. 1.00

07:23:54.940 They're just asking her on dates.

07:23:56.720 It's like at this point.

07:23:58.440 She needs to be.

07:23:59.380 She wants to be roasted. 1.00

07:24:00.960 She needs to be roasted. 1.00

07:24:03.640 She needs it. 0.85

07:24:05.300 What the?

07:24:06.460 Calm down, bro.

07:24:07.900 Calm down, Lily.

07:24:09.180 Well, that was an interesting show.

07:24:12.560 That was very interesting.

07:24:16.040 It was a good.

07:24:16.880 It was good.

07:24:17.380 We have a couple more coming through.

07:24:18.960 Oh, God.

07:24:20.560 Michael Jones donated $30.

07:24:22.920 What is better?

07:24:24.520 A key that opens any lock or a lock that opens to any key.

07:24:28.660 Keep your legs closed to unworthy men and open your heart to Jesus.

07:24:33.620 Brian is the Viscount of chance.

07:24:35.620 Sound delusional, bro. 1.00

07:24:37.240 Oh, shit. 1.00

07:24:38.700 Michael Jones, did you hear that? 1.00

07:24:40.360 She said you're delusional. 1.00

07:24:42.300 Damn. 1.00

07:24:43.660 What was the thing you said about the book? 0.99

07:24:45.360 A 3,000-year-old book?

07:24:46.280 No, like, come on, man.

07:24:47.760 I stopped believing in religion when I found out that there was more than one.

07:24:50.980 Oh, okay.

07:24:51.580 Yeah.

07:24:52.320 All right.

07:24:52.920 I was like, what makes my religion better?

07:24:53.920 Spicy when $89 donated $30.

07:24:56.480 This is in the roast.

07:24:57.220 Red tank top is better without makeup.

07:24:59.480 Yeah, all right.

07:25:01.320 Would you bow to a man, though?

07:25:03.400 Like, would you do a bow like in that video I showed you?

07:25:06.340 Oh, no.

07:25:07.200 Why not? 1.00

07:25:07.600 What the fuck? 1.00

07:25:08.320 Chill out, cub. 1.00

07:25:10.620 Damn. 1.00

07:25:11.420 Crazy. 1.00

07:25:11.780 It's in compliments, not roasts.

07:25:15.240 Wait, hold on.

07:25:16.080 This one's crazy.

07:25:16.960 Wait, Lily, Lily, listen to this one.

07:25:19.200 Lily Phillips' father donated $30.

07:25:22.440 Brian, how much for the chair Lily sat on today?

07:25:25.600 I live in Los Angeles.

07:25:26.960 I can pick it up tomorrow.

07:25:29.760 Just come pay me.

07:25:31.160 Don't pay him.

07:25:31.960 Oh, wow.

07:25:32.600 Come straight to me.

07:25:33.440 So, she was sitting in that chair, but now she's in this one.

07:25:37.560 You know what?

07:25:38.160 I'm going to eBay both of these chairs.

07:25:40.480 Let's put them on eBay.

07:25:41.900 We'll let the auction decide. 0.99

07:25:45.360 Wait, what the fuck? 0.99

07:25:46.880 O.J. Simpson donated $30. 1.00

07:25:49.720 Carly, I already know you have a skin tag on your bully. 0.99

07:25:54.220 It meant, yeah.

07:25:56.860 Do you want to respond to that, Carly?

07:25:59.520 Into the mic.

07:26:00.500 Can you scoot into the table a little bit?

07:26:01.940 Like, what do you want me to say to that?

07:26:05.820 Either confirm or deny.

07:26:08.960 You need to see it to believe it.

07:26:12.060 Okay.

07:26:13.180 All right.

07:26:13.800 Thank you, O.J.

07:26:15.000 Thor donated $30. 0.99

07:26:16.640 What the fuck, bro? 0.99

07:26:17.380 Car 7 Gunt is perfect for sneaking snaps into the movies. 1.00

07:26:20.780 It'll keep them warm.

07:26:21.960 Whatever chair 6 identifies it, but it also chair 4 poor children.

07:26:26.120 You can see her mom look like a dummy online forever now. 1.00

07:26:29.060 What do you look like? 1.00

07:26:29.840 What the hell? 0.98

07:26:30.380 These are getting weird. 0.78

07:26:31.420 Where's your picture?

07:26:35.060 Nolan says, Lily, if you feel there's nothing.

07:26:36.920 Guys, do these through Streamlabs if you can.

07:26:39.100 How come you said there are so many guys out in the world? 1.00

07:26:41.380 I think you know one poor bastard's got to marry. 1.00

07:26:44.680 Hell yeah. 1.00

07:26:45.700 Okay.

07:26:46.300 Sweet.

07:26:46.980 Dope.

07:26:47.860 Guys, $30.

07:26:50.900 We got Koba.

07:26:53.340 Koba donated $30.

07:26:55.500 Babe, get Lily number for Kyle. 1.00

07:26:57.420 It would be hilarious.

07:26:59.340 Who's Kyle?

07:26:59.980 That's my boyfriend.

07:27:01.940 That's my boyfriend.

07:27:03.860 Shout out, Eli.

07:27:05.340 Yeah, he's trying to wig man. 0.66

07:27:08.220 Michael Jones donated $30.

07:27:10.900 If Lily lived in colonial Massachusetts, we would have thrown her in the harbor along with the tea. 1.00

07:27:17.040 Bottle of water.

07:27:18.480 Gulf of America.

07:27:19.860 Bald evils. 0.98

07:27:21.160 Jesus Christ.

07:27:23.200 Thank you, Michael Jones.

07:27:24.240 Stochastic Decay donated $30.

07:27:26.180 Oh, Stochastic.

07:27:26.700 Where you been?

07:27:27.320 Carly, sorry, like.

07:27:29.080 That like, are like.

07:27:30.520 Roasts like. 0.98

07:27:31.420 Are like.

07:27:32.080 Not like.

07:27:32.840 Good enough.

07:27:33.800 Like.

07:27:34.560 Also, my sprinkler goes like this.

07:27:39.840 And comes back like this.

07:27:43.220 Wow.

07:27:43.980 Yo, guys.

07:27:44.960 Let's put some W's in the chat for Stochastic Decay.

07:27:47.640 I have not seen this guy in a minute.

07:27:50.020 Dude, good to see you, man.

07:27:51.720 Also, I do a quick shout out, guys.

07:27:53.280 If you want to do a final contribution, Venmo Cash App.

07:27:55.740 They don't take any cuts.

07:27:56.880 So, 100% of your contribution will go towards the whatever podcast.

07:28:00.100 MJ said, Brian, keep it up, King.

07:28:02.080 Jesus is Lord.

07:28:04.200 $50 on.

07:28:07.980 Wait.

07:28:08.900 $50 on.

07:28:10.360 Is this.

07:28:11.000 Sorry.

07:28:11.420 Venmo.

07:28:12.200 Sharon Pete, $20.

07:28:13.560 Thank you for Venmo.

07:28:14.740 Guys, W's in the chat for MJ.

07:28:16.280 W's in the chat for Sharon.

07:28:17.280 Thank you guys for contributing via Venmo.

07:28:18.840 And that's that.

07:28:20.980 And then we have this one from OJ Simpson.

07:28:24.600 OJ Simpson donated $30.

07:28:27.680 Dark Labia, what's up with you? 0.99

07:28:30.100 You doing okay? 1.00

07:28:31.220 Damn. 1.00

07:28:31.980 You doing okay? 1.00

07:28:33.040 Is that you?

07:28:33.460 I'm doing fine. 0.54

07:28:35.180 She's killing it. 1.00

07:28:36.300 She's killing it. 1.00

07:28:37.940 All right.

07:28:38.860 I'd like to take this opportunity here at the end of the show to do a call to action.

07:28:44.860 What's this?

07:28:46.080 For Lily.

07:28:47.020 Oh, no.

07:28:47.840 I'd like to see if we can use this as a moment, an opportunity.

07:28:52.360 Would you consider stopping sex work entirely?

07:28:55.580 I didn't even.

07:28:56.260 Tonight.

07:28:57.300 No.

07:28:57.960 What?

07:28:58.740 No.

07:28:59.200 Tonight.

07:28:59.480 I will bring you on as a background character.

07:29:01.920 I'll pay you $20 an hour. 0.69

07:29:04.460 It's very lucrative, but you have to stop your sex work.

07:29:08.540 I'm going to politely decline.

07:29:10.780 Okay.

07:29:11.620 I see how it is.

07:29:14.080 Is that how much you guys get paid?

07:29:16.300 I'm not talking about it.

07:29:18.420 She actually is.

07:29:20.720 Wait, no.

07:29:21.200 I shouldn't say that.

07:29:22.020 All right.

07:29:22.740 The best.

07:29:23.520 You can finish that.

07:29:24.740 No, I was going to say you're slave labor. 0.98

07:29:27.080 I'm not.

07:29:27.900 Wait.

07:29:28.720 I am black. 0.88

07:29:29.640 You can say that. 0.83

07:29:29.700 No, no.

07:29:30.060 Exactly.

07:29:30.620 That's why I didn't say it.

07:29:31.780 That's why I didn't say it.

07:29:32.600 But I was going to. 0.97

07:29:33.200 It's not because you're a black thing. 0.97

07:29:34.380 It was just like. 0.97

07:29:35.000 Yeah.

07:29:35.280 I was going to say you were like a.

07:29:36.800 You're an intern.

07:29:37.560 How about that?

07:29:37.960 Not slave labor.

07:29:38.780 $20 an hour isn't bad to sit there, to be fair.

07:29:41.020 To be fair.

07:29:41.940 I mean, to be.

07:29:42.280 Anyways, whatever.

07:29:43.440 Let's see.

07:29:44.000 Big Sass Energy.

07:29:45.680 Yo, Big Sass. 1.00

07:29:46.560 Big Sass Energy donated $30.

07:29:48.840 All right.

07:29:49.120 We got to do some Twitch.

07:29:50.060 Do you like grilled cheese sandwiches?

07:29:53.040 I only ask because it looks like you have a bit of Down syndrome. 1.00

07:29:57.080 What the fuck? 1.00

07:29:59.080 Do you. 1.00

07:29:59.980 What?

07:30:00.620 Why would.

07:30:01.860 Liking grilled cheese sandwiches mean that you have Down syndrome? 1.00

07:30:06.100 Damn. 1.00

07:30:08.360 I've just been excited for a while. 0.99

07:30:09.820 I've got a lot of energy.

07:30:10.340 It's from a TikTok.

07:30:11.140 Shane McGillis said that about his uncle.

07:30:13.820 Yeah.

07:30:13.940 Like grilled cheese sandwiches.

07:30:15.080 Yeah, exactly.

07:30:15.360 I do like grilled cheese sandwiches though.

07:30:17.220 That's dope. 0.93

07:30:18.520 You're a legend.

07:30:19.200 Okay.

07:30:19.420 Let's do Twitch shout out.

07:30:20.640 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:30:22.640 Drop us a follow in the primes.

07:30:23.780 We have to do the.

07:30:24.540 I want to do the Patrice clip with the other guys.

07:30:26.560 But whatever.

07:30:28.400 Drop us a.

07:30:29.520 Go to Twitch really quick.

07:30:30.620 Oh, has this Venmo cash app thing been up for a while?

07:30:32.620 Wait.

07:30:33.620 Twitch.

07:30:34.080 Let's do Twitch. 0.97

07:30:35.500 Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.

07:30:37.240 Drop us a follow in the primes app.

07:30:38.500 If you have an Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.

07:30:40.660 It's a quick, free, easy way to support the show every single month.

07:30:44.020 Would really appreciate it, guys, if you could show some support over there on Twitch.

07:30:48.660 And then. 1.00

07:30:49.020 Fuck it. 1.00

07:30:49.280 Why don't we. 1.00

07:30:49.760 Wait.

07:30:50.060 Hold on.

07:30:51.460 Uh-oh.

07:30:51.660 Andrew Wilson.

07:30:52.860 Andrew Wilson donated $30.

07:30:54.700 Is this actually Andrew Wilson?

07:30:56.920 If your daughter turned out like Lily Phillips, would you use 9mm, 45, 556, 762, or buckshot?

07:31:08.400 Birdshot.

07:31:08.980 Buckshot.

07:31:09.940 Buckshot.

07:31:10.700 Buckshot.

07:31:11.380 Buckshot.

07:31:11.860 I'm confused.

07:31:14.440 If your daughter turned out like Lily Phillips.

07:31:16.260 Oh, are you shooting me up? 0.99

07:31:17.600 Am I murdering her or am I murdering myself? 0.99

07:31:20.120 I don't know. 0.99

07:31:20.740 Are you giving me back shots?

07:31:22.120 Whoa.

07:31:23.020 Okay.

07:31:24.920 My producer likes that one.

07:31:27.240 Uh, okay.

07:31:28.160 Yeah.

07:31:28.400 There you go, Lily.

07:31:29.020 All right.

07:31:29.360 Okay.

07:31:29.740 Uh, who.

07:31:31.260 Let's see here.

07:31:32.160 Oh, let's just. 1.00

07:31:32.760 Fuck it. 1.00

07:31:33.340 It's so late. 1.00

07:31:33.940 The Patrice clip.

07:31:36.240 Do we do.

07:31:37.060 Wait.

07:31:37.740 Damien does not want to do the Patrice clip. 1.00

07:31:40.040 Fuck it. 1.00

07:31:40.280 Let's just do it really quick. 1.00

07:31:41.120 Fuck it. 1.00

07:31:41.860 We need, we need a little lighthearted thing at the end here. 1.00

07:31:44.100 Okay.

07:31:45.220 Go ahead.

07:31:45.640 Let me ask you a question.

07:31:46.360 Here's a question.

07:31:46.680 This is for you guys.

07:31:47.380 Listen, listen, listen.

07:31:49.320 Okay, ladies. 1.00

07:31:50.100 If you didn't have a vagina. 1.00

07:31:54.220 Like, say it was a terrible train accident. 1.00

07:31:55.960 Terrible train accident. 1.00

07:31:56.440 The doctor was like, we have to remove your pussy right away. 1.00

07:32:01.660 Or you're going to die. 1.00

07:32:05.320 How would you keep your man past, you get a two month guilty. 1.00

07:32:11.120 I can't leave the bitch right away because she just lost the pussy in a train accident. 1.00

07:32:18.340 Can't just walk right out on him. 1.00

07:32:23.780 How would you keep your man past that if you didn't have a vagina? 1.00

07:32:28.020 Pause it. 1.00

07:32:30.660 Carly, starting with you.

07:32:31.620 Go ahead into the microphone if you can.

07:32:33.780 Wait, like, I kind of missed the last couple words that you said.

07:32:37.700 I'm not going to lie.

07:32:39.080 You're in a train accident.

07:32:40.220 Terrible train accident.

07:32:41.320 Yeah, I got that.

07:32:42.640 Amtrak. 1.00

07:32:43.480 Lose the pussy. 1.00

07:32:44.340 The pussy's gone. 1.00

07:32:45.140 Your boyfriend can't break up with you for three months. 1.00

07:32:50.680 You get, like, three months.

07:32:51.960 Okay.

07:32:52.300 What do you do, though, to keep your man past that?

07:32:56.160 Like, what do you do?

07:32:58.020 I mean, still have a mouth.

07:33:01.660 Mouth?

07:33:02.160 Okay.

07:33:03.120 Lily? 0.99

07:33:03.840 My butthole's pretty stretched out. 0.99

07:33:05.840 Oh, wait. 1.00

07:33:11.820 I'm too slow. 1.00

07:33:12.600 Fucking what? 1.00

07:33:13.400 Darkavia, what do you do to keep your man? 1.00

07:33:15.880 I got both hands.

07:33:18.040 Hands?

07:33:18.540 Yeah.

07:33:19.100 Okay, what about you?

07:33:19.580 I'm going to go on my own.

07:33:20.600 Yeah, go ahead.

07:33:21.180 What about you?

07:33:22.540 I want to keep my man happy.

07:33:24.040 I probably date other girls.

07:33:29.040 Oh, okay, okay.

07:33:30.120 Yeah.

07:33:31.980 What do you do to keep your man?

07:33:33.040 I mean, I'd hope he likes me even without it, but, I mean, yes, there are other holes.

07:33:39.700 Other holes?

07:33:40.640 What about you?

07:33:42.920 I'm pretty good in the kitchen, so.

07:33:45.740 Oh.

07:33:46.220 Oh.

07:33:48.920 Wow.

07:33:49.520 Okay, play the rest of the clip. 0.99

07:33:51.760 You guys, you guys are crazy. 0.99

07:33:53.560 Go ahead. 1.00

07:33:54.540 Mm? 0.51

07:33:56.480 Crazy.

07:33:57.580 Crazy. 0.74

07:33:59.720 Wow.

07:34:01.320 Nothing?

07:34:01.840 You can talk.

07:34:02.420 You can talk. 1.00

07:34:03.040 Suck his dick. 1.00

07:34:07.580 Okay, mouth. 1.00

07:34:12.920 Asshole. 1.00

07:34:13.680 Okay, great. 0.99

07:34:15.700 You see what I'm saying?

07:34:16.820 Now, I've been getting pussybeating the whole show, right?

07:34:19.480 But I give women the opportunity to say, I'm going to make myself worth more. 0.99

07:34:23.240 But, you just classified yourself as a series of holes. 0.96

07:34:26.620 But, you know, I'm supposed to treat you special, but you're just a bunch of holes for yourself.

07:34:38.000 No one said learn how to play Xbox, learn how to play pool, tell better stories, get another 1.00

07:34:43.800 bitch that got a pussy that got a pussy to come on in. 1.00

07:34:48.760 Well, look, whatever. 1.00

07:34:51.800 Whatever.

07:34:52.100 Whatever.

07:34:52.360 All right.

07:34:54.400 Thank you.

07:34:54.920 The scripts donated $30.

07:34:57.380 You women are all going into crystals after tonight and never getting out. 1.00

07:35:01.200 The crystals, yes.

07:35:02.240 What color would you like?

07:35:03.660 W, crucible crew.

07:35:05.080 Do you want to see mine?

07:35:05.840 It's my purse.

07:35:07.000 There you go.

07:35:08.060 The crystals.

07:35:09.020 Okay.

07:35:09.960 GG.

07:35:10.620 Well played.

07:35:11.840 Well played to the panel.

07:35:13.260 Last call.

07:35:13.820 Hit the like button, please, on your way out.

07:35:16.680 Thank you for tuning in tonight.

07:35:17.800 You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.

07:35:19.560 I appreciate that.

07:35:20.660 Thank you to everyone who superchats, donates, and supports the show.

07:35:24.140 Can't do it without you guys.

07:35:25.300 This show is viewer supported.

07:35:26.860 We will be live again Sunday at 5 p.m. Pacific.

07:35:30.980 Got some really fantastic panels here.

07:35:33.020 Rest of February.

07:35:33.820 Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM at whatever on Instagram. 1.00

07:35:36.100 If you can make it to Santa Barbara over on Twitch, I'm just going to raid Grayson.

07:35:40.900 But we can pull it up like super quick.

07:35:44.280 We'll just do the quick raid.

07:35:45.420 I'm going to send you guys over there.

07:35:46.540 Thank you guys for watching on Twitch.

07:35:47.620 Drop a follow and check if you have a Prime sub before we send you over.

07:35:50.720 And let me see if there's anything else.

07:35:54.180 Be sure to check out, I don't know.

07:36:01.300 How many white claws did you have, by the way? 0.64

07:36:04.320 Oh, my.

07:36:05.060 This girl had like five. 0.99

07:36:06.880 Dude, she was downing them. 0.98

07:36:08.880 You were pounding the way.

07:36:10.260 How many, how much white claws did you have? 0.99

07:36:11.900 I have a pretty eye tolerance.

07:36:13.300 I'm Koreans.

07:36:13.600 She is, Koreans drink pretty high. 1.00

07:36:15.140 Oh, true.

07:36:16.200 They drink harder.

07:36:17.240 To answer your question, I had four.

07:36:20.860 Four.

07:36:21.740 I would be black out off of five white, four white claws.

07:36:25.060 I don't drink.

07:36:26.140 I don't drink.

07:36:27.400 She could drink.

07:36:28.200 She could drink me under the table. 0.99

07:36:30.100 Okay. 0.99

07:36:30.760 He's not even fucking there. 0.98

07:36:32.040 All right. 0.99

07:36:32.240 I'm still going to raid him, but like, whatever.

07:36:33.740 We're not even going to react to it.

07:36:35.100 Okay, guys.

07:36:35.660 GG, well played.

07:36:37.640 Hit the like button, please.

07:36:39.240 GG.

07:36:40.080 GG.

07:36:40.600 Oh, is he back?

07:36:41.380 He's there, but he's like, I don't know.

07:36:42.980 Whatever.

07:36:43.360 It doesn't matter.

07:36:44.680 We don't have to show it.

07:36:45.800 Okay.

07:36:46.120 Oh, sevens in the chat.

07:36:47.460 What are we forgetting?

07:36:48.460 Bye, baby.

07:36:49.160 No, thanks. 1.00

07:36:50.220 Damn, there's shit. 1.00

07:36:51.000 Whatever. 1.00

07:36:51.400 We have to end it.

07:36:52.040 Okay.

07:36:52.620 Thank you guys so much for tuning in tonight.

07:36:54.780 Love you, Miles.

07:36:55.380 A little chaotic panel, but we'll see you guys on Sunday.

07:36:59.160 Good night, guys.

07:36:59.960 Oh, sevens in the chat.

07:37:00.740 Bye-bye.

07:37:01.540 That's great.

07:37:05.660 Bye-bye.

Whatever Podcast - February 13, 2025

She Did 100 Men In 1 DAY？! 1,000 NEXT？! NO Showering Between Men？! Lily Phillips, Eva Lovia, Aella, Andrew! ｜ Dating Talk #227

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