She Is A TEN?! BETTER Looking At 30⧸40+?! Young Andrew Wilson REVEAL?! (GIGACHAD) | Dating Talk #180
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In this episode of Whatever Dating Talk, we have our first guest on the show, Alyssa. She's a 23-year-old Russian-American student at UC Santa Barbara majoring in Drama and Econ. We talk about how she came to the US, what it's like being an international student, and how she got into activism and activism work.
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views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the
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guests introduce themselves. Please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation. Go ahead.
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Hello there. My name is Diana. I'm 19 years old. I'm now a student here at UCSB. I major in drama
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and econ, but I'm originally from Russia. All right. How long did you live in Russia for?
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For the most of my life, I guess. So are you like an international student? Yeah. Okay. So you moved
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here to go to UCSB? Yeah. And so you did your freshman year at UCSB? Yeah. Okay, cool. And you
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weren't in the States before that? No. Okay. All right. Welcome. I'm assuming you speak Russian
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then. Mm-hmm. All right. Cool. What about you? Hi, my name's Alyssa. I'm 23. I'm from San
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Murdino. And my occupation is I am a training manager for a social-emotional learning-based
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company. Oh, sorry. A social motion? Social-emotional learning-based company. It's like a newer way to talk
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about emotions, I guess you can say. Is it, like, do you own it or you work for them? No,
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I'm a training manager there. Okay. So, like, what precisely does that mean? So I train a bunch of
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adults how to go into schools and mentor kids. Okay. Got it. What about you? My name's Victoria.
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I'm from Melbourne, Australia. I'm 26 years old and I do activism and ministry work full-time.
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Uh, do you say, uh, did you say activism work? Yep. What kind of activism? Uh, I used to recruit
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and sell girls on OnlyFans and now I actually educate people on the dangers of this over-sexualized
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culture and I also educate people on basically, uh, the ecosystem that runs behind things like
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OnlyFans, um, to be able to target young women, um, and young men. Do you, you, you were pimp
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essentially? Yep. I was a new age pimp. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you said you do
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activism and ministry. Correct. What do you mean by ministry? Uh, so I go to churches as well and I
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talk about my testimony and I also educate them on how, uh, to be able to combat this problem in
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churches. I see. Okay. And then, uh, in your pre-show notes, you said you're responsible for
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managing and growing the accounts of the OF girls. You did, I imagine you did this in conjunction with
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an OnlyFans management company. Is that correct? Yep. And, uh, were you, uh, in terms of your duties,
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were you like a typer or chatter as they're called? No. So the chatters we would offset, uh, they were
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from third world countries. Ours were from the Philippines. From the Philippines. Okay. And how
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many, uh, when you used to do this for work, did you work for multiple companies or was it just one?
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So I actually helped to start and build a agency back home. I see. Okay. Yeah. How, how big was it?
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Is it? Um, I wouldn't be able to tell you now. I've not been in it for about a year. Uh, back then it
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was the biggest one in Australia. How many, uh, I guess clients did you guys have? 24. 24. Okay.
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And of the 24, would you say all of them had like a typer chatter, that sort of thing? Yep. So every
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single one needed to have a chatter on the account 24 seven. And then, but would a lot of the accounts
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that I've seen on OnlyFans, they will, uh, indicate that it's them talking. Is that pretty common?
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The girls will say, talk to me, but it's actually some male in the Philippines. Yeah. And so we train
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them as well. Um, and we have this thing called a brief so they can best represent the girl. Um,
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and they pretend to be the girl. Yeah. All right. Cool. Cool. Now you're not doing that. No, I'm not
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doing that. Absolutely not. You're speaking against it. Yeah, correct. You're speaking against it. Okay. Uh,
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what about you? Uh, my name is Ashley Paola. I'm 29 years old. I'm from the Inland Empire.
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I'm in sales and marketing and also ministry. All right. Uh, what about you? My name is Michaela.
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I'm 28. I'm from Seattle. I have a YouTube channel. Talk about watches, style, elegance,
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stuff like that. And I own a cafe. All right. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you. Hi. Um, my name's Carly.
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I am 27 years old and I'm an electrical technician for Boeing. All right. Electrical technician for
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Boeing. They're in the news recently. Yes, they were. Uh, whoa. What the, uh, what, what was that?
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True color. What was that? Yeah. What was that? I liked that. That was cool. Uh, all right. Uh,
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you're a electrical technician for Boeing. What, um, and so you're working,
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you're doing maintenance on the airplanes or, um, I do the electrical harnesses for the Apaches.
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Oh, the Apaches. Yes. It's a military application. Yes. I see. Okay. All right. And you mean the,
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um, you mean the wire harness systems? Yes. Yeah. So these are, if I, if I remember correctly,
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these are loomed in systems that run throughout the entire helicopter. Eventually. Yes. I build them on a,
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on a table and then they get moved out and stuffed into the body of the ship. So this is a center,
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a centerfold junction box that has two lines coming off of both ends. No. Cause I do the really big
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harnesses. So it's about the size of a 25 seated table. Oh, nice. Yeah. Madison. My name is Madison.
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I'm 19 years old. I work for the whatever podcasts and I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara city
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college studying communication. Um, I'm Morgan. I'm 18. I go to SBCC studying political science.
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All right. Welcome everybody. So going, Oh wait, I always forget. All right. Guest of honor. Andrew,
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why don't you introduce yourself for us? Yeah. My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of the
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Crucible. It's the fastest growing debate YouTube channel to my knowledge, um, on YouTube. I'm a
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political analyst, political satirist, and, uh, I like to engage in debates for fun as well. So,
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um, glad to see all of you here. Hope we have a good show. All right. Welcome, Andrew. Welcome.
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Wait, wait. I remember two of you. I remember two of you on this. I remember two of you giving me
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some trouble on this panel before. I'm just, it's called coming back to me.
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Who? I'm coming back to me. Well, we'll get into it certainly. So going around the table once more,
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what's your current relationship status? So are you single, talking stage, situationship,
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friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, whatever it may be. If you're
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single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Go
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ahead. So I'm in a relationship. Uh, we're together for four months now. And before that,
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I've been single for like two years, probably. Okay. Is he also a student? Yeah, he is. Okay.
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Uh, before that though, you were single for two years, you said. Is this your longest relationship?
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No, my longest one was actually my first one. We were together for three years. I'm assuming that's
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back in Russia. Yeah. You speak very good English. I'm assuming you studied English. Thank you.
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You're not. Yeah, I do study. I did study English in Russia. Okay. Uh, what city did you grow up in?
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Moscow? In Moscow. Yeah, that's correct. All right. And so, and you call this your boyfriend,
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the current guy? Yeah. Okay. Four months. Officially, yeah. Okay. Uh, but before that you
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were single for two years. So for most of your freshman year then at UCSB, you were single for most of it.
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Okay. Did you go out and party or do any of that sort of? I did. Yeah. I did have like,
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I did go out on Del Playa a couple of times. A couple of times. Yeah. But yeah, I guess it didn't
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end up in a relationship. You don't have a Russian accent. It's like a bit, it sounds British.
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Oh my God. Thank you. A little bit. I'm working on that. Well, actually I detected a little, but, um,
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yeah. And so I guess quick question on this, since you've dated in Russia and you've also dated
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in the U S differences thoughts? Um, wow. Well, so my current boyfriend, he's originally from Russia
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too, but he lives in Spain right now. Your current boyfriend. Yeah. Okay. Oh, so it's long distance.
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No, he, he studies here, but I mean, he's from Spain, like his family's in Spain. So for summer,
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he goes to Spain and to Russia. Right. Okay. Uh, yeah. But, um, the differences, I don't know. It's
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like, um, not that much difference because I have a type, you know, and I'm trying to look for the
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same qualities I would look in Russia or in here. It doesn't matter the location, I guess. Well,
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in terms of the men, I mean, do they act differently? They do. They're more like straightforward here.
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More straightforward here. Yeah, definitely. Um, they, um, I don't know, like people easily
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approach me here. There as in Russia, people are more like, I don't know, insecure about going to a
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girl in the street and just say, Hey, you're beautiful. You know, like people here, and then I
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get a lot more compliments here just on the streets. I feel like that's not very common in Russia.
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Okay. Interesting. I've heard, I think we've had a, somebody who's from Russia on before and
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they said that, uh, the Russian men tend to be a bit more traditional than, than the men in the
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United States. Has that been your experience? Um, I mean, it's a little bit changing too, but it's
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that they're definitely more traditional. They won't do like 50, 50, for example, on a date.
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In Russia. Yeah. In Russia. Whereas here they will. Respectfully. Yeah. Like, um, some of
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them. I'm not saying like all of the Americans do that, but you know, I had my. So what do
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you prefer? Um, I guess I prefer the, my men to cover it. I wouldn't do like 50, 50 day,
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I guess. And is that, is that the dynamic with your current boyfriend? Yeah. Okay. Uh, final
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question. Can you sing the Russian national anthem? I'm not a good singer though, but if
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you want me to. Okay. Do it. Um, do you want me to sing it in Russian? I assume? Yeah. Okay.
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Okay. That's it. I hope. Well done. Thank you. Well done. Beautiful. Beautiful. All right.
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I would have not done that. Uh, what about you? Um, I am currently single and boyfriend
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wise, uh, my longest relationship. I've never been in an actual relationship. I never wanted
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to be committed. I was just kind of in situationships and, um, but yeah. So what's the longest period
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of time you've dated somebody? Dated. I mean, talk to some, I guess you can say three, four
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months, three to four months. Okay. Yeah. And so you've been, you said you've been single.
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Uh, are there any guys in the picture currently? No, no sneaky link situationship. You've had
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those in the past though. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And, uh, so single for, I mean, I had relationships
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in middle school, but I don't really count those. Well, when I guess the three to four month
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one, how long ago was that? Um, maybe a year and a half ago, two years, two years ago,
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two years ago. So would you say you've been single for two years? Yeah. Okay. All right.
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Any dates in that two year period? Um, I was talking to someone, but it just didn't work
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out. Didn't work out. Yeah. What, what do you mean? Uh, we just decided to be friends.
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We grew up with each other and just decided to be friends. All right. Got it. And you,
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said that you actually, you know what, I'll come back to that. What about you? Um, last
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time I was in a relationship was probably 2021, I would say. And longest relationship
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was six years, two years together, four years on and off. So you've been single for
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three years, you'd say? Mm-hmm. And this, uh, six year one, two years solid, four years
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I don't know why it's coming through in Dutch. Let me fix that. Sorry, fucking Mike Davis.
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Here, I'm going to let it come through in, uh, I'm going to make it go through in Russian.
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One sec. Hold on. Let me find Russian. Una memento, Mike Davis. Or was that too, was that
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like TOS? TTS. TOS. They'd be looking mad good. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll, I'll, I'll fix it.
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Mike Davis. Uh, one sec boys. Continue on with your, uh, relationship history. Um, yeah, that's
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probably as, uh, um, wild at a boyfriend from 13 to 18 as well, and then jump straight into
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that situation. Um, yeah, but together for two years and then off and fall.
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Uh, here. We're going to, I'm going to put it to English finally. Sorry guys. That's
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where is it? One sec boys. Oh yeah. That's Mike Davis by the way. That is, uh, that is where,
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where is this? Hold on guys. There we go. Okay. Back to, back to the English guy. Okay. All right.
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Thanks Mike Davis. Appreciate it. Uh, all right. Do you want to respond? That was directed towards
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you. I think I don't, I like, is it a question? Well, he's saying that like Russian chicks be
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looking, he said mad good until they hit 30, then they become babushkas. Oh shit. Yo, beer
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and waffles. Thank you for the gifted 50 subs on a, hold on. He's a brave and a decent man.
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He's a pioneer. Yo, dude, thank you so much for the gifted 50 subs. Beer and waffles must
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be a Dutchman. He hurt his fellow, uh, TTS robot guy. Um, do you have a response to Mike
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Davis? You can, you know, I don't know. I think like Russian chicks, they always look
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good. Even they're 30 or older. They age like fine wine, I guess. Come on. All right. All
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right. Shots fired Mike Davis. All right. Uh, so you said, um, oh right. The on again, off
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again relationship. So how many times was it off and on? Oh my goodness. I couldn't count
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more than 10, more than 10, more than 20, probably 50 anywhere between 20 to 40. I would
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say easily. And, uh, more often than not, who was ending things? Uh, probably him. He
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would end things. Why is that? Um, honestly, that's a great question. Um, because it was
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something that wasn't meant to be that I was trying to force, to be honest with you. And
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I think when people have this weird complexity, they don't want to let
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something go, but they don't want it either. Um, it's like, that's mine, but
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it's not mine, but no one else can have it. Um, that's kind of where the on
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off thing comes from is my assumption. Okay. Yeah. So he would end it
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overwhelmingly. Did you ever end things or was it a couple of times? Mostly him
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though. Mostly him. And then who, who initiated the back on him or you?
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Weirdly 50, 50. Okay. Yeah. Wait, so you can't point to reasons why it was
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constantly? Well, the reason why it would be constantly, if you want to like delve
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into it is the fact. Yeah, we can delve. Can you just tilt your mic so it's a little
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straighter? There, better. Um, when a younger girl dates an older guy, I think there's
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always a level of insecurity that's there. And, uh, what comes with that as well, if you
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don't have a good foundation for your identity, you place it in a relationship. So
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therefore I did that with, uh, this guy and I think he was very well aware of the
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fact of how into it I was. And so he knew that he could basically date me for a
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period of time and then it didn't work out, but he knew that I would always be
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there. So you'd always come back, always this, but then it was this weird kind of
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back and forth of both wanted it, both didn't want it, but it was just a security
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blanket for so many years. And you said that you guys, it was for a six year
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period. You've been single for three. From what age to what age did you date
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him? 18 to 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. Oh yeah. 20. Is this the one that ended three
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years ago? Yeah. And I'm 26 now. Mike Davis donated $69. Now they be aging like
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milk, but I ain't going to argue it. We got more important matters. If any of you
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clowns plans to vote for that demon Kamal, send me your location and I'll kill you with
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my bare hands. You spelled bear wrong. You spelled bear wrong.
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I think he meant for it to be the animal bear. Yeah. His bare hands. Like B-A-R-E, not
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bear. He means like an actual bear. Oh, he's a bear. Okay. Take a spelling class, Mike Davis.
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You just got tall. You misspelled it. Although I guess you could use bear. I can go either way.
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I think you could use bear. I think he meant bear hands. I think he was making a reference
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to man or a person's bear. So you started dating when you guys were 18? Yeah. How was he? You
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said there was an age gap. He would have been 18, 19, 24. Okay. So 18, 24. I mean, not a
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massive age gap, but. No. And so you felt like because of the age gap there were, that contributed
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to the conflicts in the relationship. I think so. I think 18 to 24 is such a big
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age gap, just in mentality, especially for girls. You're so young and a guy who's just
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had a little bit more of an older experience kind of knows what's what a lot more than an
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18 year old girl. Mm-hmm. Well, do you have, so do you have objections to age gap relationships?
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No. Or it's just. Not at all. I just happened. Issues. Yeah. I just happened to be in a not
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good one. Sure. Okay. Yeah. What about you? Um, so officially I've been single like for
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about seven months now, but, um, I wasn't, I was talking to someone and that ended like
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about a month ago. So officially last time you came. Yeah. Which is like less than a month
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ago. Yeah. Wait. So last time you came. I was like, I was like, we, you were still seeing
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this guy. I was like talking to this guy and we kind of ended things. Who ended things?
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I did. You did? Mm-hmm. Why? Um, because trust was broken. How? Oh. Um.
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Did you fuck a girl? Uh, I don't really want to say all the details, but I guess it was just
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more a lot of, okay, a lot of miscommunication and then trust was broken in the sense that
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he like kind of disrespected me with how he acted with the girl and didn't have to be
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like. How long were you guys together? Um. Because you said you were just talking. We
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were like talking for a month, but it was like, there's a lot of things that said were going
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to happen that didn't happen and then which led on to like just lying. So it was just kind
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of like very disrespectful from things that we had said we're going to be. So it was
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exclusive? Yeah, we were talking exclusively, yeah. We were having. You had a conversation
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about we're just talking to each other and. Mm-hmm. But I think what mostly it was just
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the, the lack of communication and if you're going to say you're going to do something and
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it's, and you don't do it, it really doesn't. What was he going to do? Um, he was going to
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come up here actually and meet me after the show and then I didn't, you know, and
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then he went MIA. Huh. Okay. Yeah. All right. So. It's a lot of other details to it. Single
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for seven months. Longest relationship? Yeah. Oh, uh, four years. Four years. Okay. All right.
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What about you? I've been married for four years and with the same man, we've been together
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almost six years total. All right. And it's an age gap relationship, correct? Yeah, it
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is an age gap. You're 28. He is what? Um, forties plus. That's all I'm going to say. Just
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out of respect for him. He doesn't want to smell weed. I do. Why, why, why would that be
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disrespectful to him? Well, actually it's just a matter of his own concerns for his personal
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presence online. He doesn't want to be really public. Do you post him? I, I do here and
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there. Not that, not like my Instagram is not a page dedicated to pictures of us together,
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but I have photos together with him. Yeah. But he doesn't, he just doesn't want that much
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info out. Brian Simps for big labial long donated $69. My sprinkler goes like this. It's true.
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comes back like this. Uh, thank you for that. Appreciate it. Uh, hashtag big labia matter.
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All right, cool. Thank you. Uh, what about you? Um, I'm married also for four years and we've been
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together a little shy of eight years and it's my longest relationship. All right. Very cool. Um,
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and, uh, sorry, together, married, how many years together? Four years. Four years together. Eight.
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Eight years. Got it. Uh, Maddie, M dog. I'm in a relationship. My current is my longest. It's
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been almost two years. Um, I'm, I'm single. I'm single. Get this girl some water. Get her a cough
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drop. I'm single. I'm single. Longest relationship. Two and a half years. Single for four months. Any
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prospects since the last time you told us? Not really. Any dudes sliding into the DMs? Yeah,
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but no. Yeah, but no. Okay. That's all you needed now. All right. Cool. All right. Uh, so
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Andrew's married. So let's see here. Uh, okay. Okay. Starting point. I want to go back to a couple
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things. So in the pre-show notes for you two, I believe both of you, if I understand correctly,
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uh, are waiting until marriage to have carnal knowledge. Is that correct? Carnal knowledge.
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Yes. Yes. So, uh, so Ashley, you recommitted to having sex, waiting till marriage. Is that
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correct? Okay. And then is that the same for you? Um, yeah, well, I didn't redo it. I've been,
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I haven't. You haven't had no carnal knowledge. Mike Davis donated $69. If you already mess
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in with them old heads, come mess with Mike Davis. Ditch that wimp and get with a pimp. Ain't
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no way he on my level. Wait, who are you talking to? What? Are you now hitting on the Russian
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girl after you said she would be a babushka at age 30? Is that, are you? I think he might
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be you. I think it might be you. Wait, ditch that wimp and get with a pimp. I don't think
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he said anything about the old heads. He said old heads. Yeah. He said old heads in previous
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chats too. He just keeps repeating. So is he hitting on you? No. I don't know who he's
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hitting on. He keeps using the term old heads. He just keeps saying it. I don't know who he's
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saying. Mike, we don't know what you're talking about. We don't understand, but that's nice
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that you're donating money to say it. He got very excited. He got very excited that
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Biden dropped out of the race and he's probably drunk. Yeah. But if you think about it, yeah,
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I won't get into it. It's like, yes. Biden drops. He just seemed a bit, a bit turned right
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now, to be honest. He's probably, he drinks, he's a whiskey drinker. Ooh, nice. Yeah.
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He's just probably just. Classy Mike. Classy. Tanked. He's absolutely tanked. He heard the
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news, started drinking at noon. Whiskey drunk is crazy too. It's crazy. It's on the West Coast or East
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Coast. So, okay. Uh, thank you, Mike Davis. Appreciate it. Uh, so you virgin then. Yes.
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No, not like born again, virgin. No, I've never had sex in my life. Okay. Let's be clear.
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All right. Good to know. Uh, so you said that the longest though, you said you've had like,
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wait, hold on. But when I asked if you had like sneaky links or situationships,
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you responded in the affirmative. I didn't have sneaky links. I had a situationship that I was
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talking to. Not sneaky link. You had a situationship. Yeah. Okay. It was just a
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toxic situationship I was in. Um, but we never, the only thing we ever did was kissed and that was
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about it. Oh, okay. I see. Uh, yeah. You did say you've been involved in more situationships
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than relationships. Uh, and I'm just seeing the notes here. Uh, but you said, I, I think
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you were doing another podcast and in that podcast you said you did things you were not proud
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of. Yeah. So like, for example, like being out with him, like one of the stories that I put on
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there was like, I went to a bar with him. I wasn't even of age yet and he got me drunk and he left me
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and he left and dipped and I had to figure out, I had, there's other people there, but like, those
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are things that I was not the proudest of. This is the guy you dated for the three to four months
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or somebody else. Yeah. That's that guy. The situationship. Brought you to a bar. Got me
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drunk. Left you there. And dipped. Yeah. Why? Um, he said he had something to do with his dad, but he,
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no, I, I heard that he was going to go see someone else. So it was late at night. It was a Friday
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night. We were celebrating a coworker who was leaving, um, going to a different company and yeah.
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Okay. Um, so, but you are waiting until a marriage to have sex. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And you
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said doing things with honor, not just to date, but to date to marriage. Negative underscore 69 donated
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$69. Panel, forgive me for a little bit of Brian simping. Brian, you've got some chubby balls for not
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being a commie in commie-fornia. I am surprised that your home isn't under Antifa siege yet.
00:29:47.180
Uh, yeah, man. Appreciate it. Thank you for the compliment. Appreciate it. We are behind enemy
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lines in California, behind enemy lines, but luckily, you know, we called in the reinforcements.
00:29:56.420
We've got Andrew here. He helps out. He, you know, he's, he's perched up in the clock. What the fuck?
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Uh, I get a pass. I get a pass for my phone to go off, but, um, so in any case, uh, while
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we're doing that, what was that? Oh yeah. Thank you, man. Thank you for the compliment. Appreciate
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it. We are behind enemy lines here. We're right next to one of the super lib, uh, college
00:30:28.820
universities. So, uh, in any case, thank you, man. Appreciate it. So, uh, you said that
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not just dating to date, but date to marry. Oh yes. Yeah. Okay. And so, um, I was not privy
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to the fact, so a lot of my notes are now, it's not privy to the fact that you were also
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virgin. Okay. Um, besides the whole going out with him and drinking, were there other things
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that you were not the proudest of, or was that it? I mean, just even being with him
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in general, I mean, there's just like a lot of toxic things. And one day, like he started
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to like put hands on me and those were just like things that I let that happen. And I
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was not the proudest of. Okay. So, but other than that, I mean, I think anything, cause now
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I think now what I mean by those are the things I wasn't the proudest of because all those things
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that I used to do, I don't do anymore, or I don't attest to doing, like, I don't want to
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do those things. Like party, I used to party a lot in high school, um, and drink. That
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was my biggest things. Never touched drugs. I was always scared to, but drinking and stuff.
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So those were like the moments I would say I wasn't the proudest of because I, you know,
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when you're intoxicated, maybe you're not doing the best things or portraying yourself
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the right way. So I would say that. Are you a religious Christian Catholic? I am a Christian.
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Okay. Yes. All right. And you said that, uh, allowing ourselves to be
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pursued and we don't need to go chasing no men, no man. Yes. Exactly. Oh, so you think
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the men should be doing the pursuing? I absolutely think so. Um, if I could reference it in the
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Bible, it says a man who finds a good, finds a wife, finds favor and finds a good thing.
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And for me, like, if it's going to happen, like if he wants to talk to me and pursue me,
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he could go ahead and do that, but I'm not going to sit there like waiting around for someone.
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Um, I've had people have interest in me, but it's just, it's knowing that they're pursuing
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me. I don't need to go out and look for someone or go on a dating app or anything like that.
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So speaking of which we do have, did we have the dating app stuff, Nick?
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Oh, it was the Curtis underscore Leon, underscore coordinated $69.
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For the panel, Brian is in prison. Who would break their chastity with anyone in order to save Brian
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from the gas chamber? Brian is in prison for tearing the do not tear tag off his mattress.
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Wait, what? Who would break their chastity? Wait, with, oh, you have to break your chastity
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with anybody to save me because I'm in prison. So you just have to have sex with a person.
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And he's only in prison. He's in prison for a BS reason, according to the super chat,
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which is he tore the tag off of his mattress. Total BS.
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You're not supposed to do that. It clearly says it right there.
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Felony. I'm about to get executed for that one. Is this really, is this really a super chat
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question? Okay. Uh, so who's current, okay, here show of hands. Who's currently chast, chaste?
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What does that mean? What does that mean? Like not having sex.
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Oh, he's not. Not having sex. Aren't you dating a guy?
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Yeah, but we're not like, oh, you're not. Yeah. Are you like by default?
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Wait, so. Are you waiting? These, these four and then, uh, Morgan.
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The court donated $69. A question for the panel. Is America ultimately doomed when it comes to dating?
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Yes. Ultimately, ultimately doomed. Doomed. Basically. It is a hellscape out there, boys.
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Ultimately doomed. Me and Andrew are doing what we can. We're doing what we can, but listen, you know,
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we've got, we've got huge forces working against us. So we're just two men. We're just two men
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and a podcast. It's hard out here. It's hard. Okay. Um, so would you guys have sex with anyone
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to save me? Like you don't have to, you don't have to have sex with me. It could be, you could
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have sex with Ryan Reynolds if you want to. Can I have sex with my husband to save you?
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Well, you guys don't count. It's only for the chaste, chaste, chaste. Yeah. Unless it was a
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husband. No. I'm so sorry, but I'm so sorry. Sorry, Ryan. But yeah, I'll take over the pod
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for you though. What if it's, uh, who's, uh, who's that Superman guy? What's his name?
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Clark Kent. Henry, Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill. Oh. Bro, what the fuck?
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Captain America. Yeah. Literally, unless he's my husband, but I don't know he's going to be my
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husband. Dream big. Dream big. Dream big. Uh, wait. Oh, right. Cause, uh, the dating
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out thing. Okay. We have yours though, right? You have a dating out. Okay. We'll do that
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maybe a little bit later. Uh, I forgot where we were. Um, we were talking about, oh, men,
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you were saying how men should pursue. Is that correct? I think women should pursue.
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Uh, I mean, I don't think so. What does that mean? Yeah. What do you mean by pursue? You
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gotta slide into the DMs, be like, it may or may not include, you know how guys send
00:36:06.440
dick pics? I think women should send pussy pics. Ew, they should definitely not. I respect
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myself too much. No, no, no. For revenge. No, no, no. How many women are upset about all
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the dick pics that have been sent? That's disgusting. I think women, not, not because you want to,
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but for revenge. Like that'll show them. Oh yeah. That'll really, let me, I don't need
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to fight those battles. It'll show the men. You will teach the men a lesson. Yeah. And
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what's the lesson? You will teach them a lesson. You're really like figuring out this whole
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dating thing, huh? Show them a lesson. Yeah. Most of the dick pics that I've seen, it's usually
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the girls get around and they make fun of the guy for sending the dick pic. Yeah. A hundred
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percent. So you're doing a disservice to yourself by sending a dick pic. Has a dick pic ever worked
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in the history of dick pics? No. Do people still send nudes to each other? There's probably
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like one guy. Oh yeah. I think there's one guy who worked. I don't know why people do
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that. I think one guy who worked. I just think in the, this day and age, it's crazy to send
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nudes. Like everything gets leaked. I don't know. I'm very discreet. No, but like people
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will just randomly do it. I'm very discreet. I've never leaked a nude. You only just sent
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a silhouette picture. No, I don't send, I've never, I've never sent a nude. Bro, what
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the fuck? Okay. This is somebody's. You're Mr. Popular. Oh my God, bro. What is this? Can I just
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ask one thing? You said you're not waiting around for a man, but yet you're not pursuing
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a man either. So aren't you waiting for a man to find you? You're like in the tower being
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Rapunzel. I mean, I'm waiting for like the one, the right one to pursue me. I guess you
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can say I'm still handling business and doing everything I need to do. I mean, I'm, but I'm
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not like sitting around at home. Like, oh my gosh, like who's it going to be or anything
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like that. I'm going to continue doing my business and then an unreasonable man donated
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$169. Ladies, do you support evil feminism or do you support the patriarchy? Patriarchy
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all the way. Why are they the only two options? Because that's the only two options. I'm not
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like there's so many other options out there. No, there's really not. Andrew, are you feminism
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or patriarchy? I think we all know. It's patriarchy. Patriarchy, right? Is that a serious
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question? They asked the panel. You're on the panel. Yeah, I would be a patriarchist for
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sure. Good. I'm glad to hear that. That's good. But if you were a woman, would you be...
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But he said evil feminism specifically, not just regular evil feminism. Well, isn't all
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feminism evil? Yes. Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. It's turned out to be something crazy.
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It started off as something crazy. Andrew, what do you think? Should men pursue? With
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your... You're also... You have the Bible behind you. So what do you think pursuing means as
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a man? And should women do it? I think it's fine. I think it's fine both ways. So if women
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signal interest in men and they pursue them. But I don't see anything problem or any big problem
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with women signaling or showing interest. That is a form of pursuit. Absolutely. Okay.
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That's totally a form of pursuit. We just kind of pretend that it isn't. But it
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definitely is. So the man is just more so taking the initiative and the woman is either responding
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or rejecting more so? No, I think that women send off signals all the time, which is part
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of the way that they pursue. All sorts of different signals, even in conversations, maybe they'll
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flirt, things like that. But that's a form of pursuit, I think. They're not maybe as aggressive
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as men are, but that's still how they pursue men, for sure. They want you to know, okay,
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I'm interested in you. And sometimes men are dense and we don't even know that we're being
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signaled at, right? So then it just kind of subtly increases and increases until they're
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Yeah. And I would agree with that. I would even backtrack like my words that I said,
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like signaling. Yeah, that's cool. But I, like you said, that's a form of pursuing, but I'm
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not going to like sit there and try to pursue a relationship like at my own risk. Like I'm
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the only one trying to pursue it. Like you guys, like if you, have you guys had a guy try
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to get at you and they constantly try to get at you and it's just kind of like, you don't
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know. You're not even giving them anything. You're not really giving them anything. I'm
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not going to do that to a guy. That's kind of more what I mean. Yeah. The problem is
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you're on a timeline and he's not. So if you want to have kids, it's, you kind of got to
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She's really young. She's 23. I'm 23. I believe in the right time. I know, but the time goes
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by fast. Two years ago, I was 23, or at least it feels like I was. And now I'm 27 and I'm
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like, I better pop those kids out. But God's time, God really will be like, he knows
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our desires and what we want. And it doesn't matter. Like we've seen people,
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like in our church that they're like 45, 50, 60, and they're getting together and God
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has a plan for everybody. And so I don't see if they need to. That's why kids get cancer.
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I don't really understand this, this line of logic though. So if you say God has a plan
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for everybody. Okay. That's fair. Does that mean you shouldn't have any plans for
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yourself? No, I do. I have the vision, but he directs my steps. So I have a vision of
00:41:08.240
having a husband, but he's going to direct me like day to day. I'm not going to be like,
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well, who is it going to be? Who is it going to be? How am I going to find him? Like, because...
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Is he going to send you a sign? Sometimes he does signs and wonders, but most of the time
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it's just... Is a crow going to... If a crow flies down and it pops up on a perch and
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a cause twice, do you consider that a sign? Yes. No. So what would a sign be to you?
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I don't even think I'd be more of a sign. It's just his voice. I know how he speaks to
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me through like that small, still voice and just that... Wait, the what? The small, still
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voice. Like just the Holy Spirit. What is the small, still voice? The Holy Ghost. Yeah, it's
00:41:50.880
the Holy Spirit. It's like, it's not my thoughts. It's like a thought that comes in and it's just
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this knowing and you only really know that feeling when you spend time with him. TTS
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has bumped to 199. Go ahead, continue. But because actually the question for the show notes
00:42:05.460
that I had for the topics I want to talk about was actually this. It's like, okay, God's
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timing and waiting and just letting God do his thing. Or do we actively like pursue as
00:42:15.540
a woman? But didn't God give you the biological clock to begin with? So shouldn't you be following
00:42:20.420
that biological clock? Not really. If you look in scripture, you see that there's what?
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Don the Baptist's mother was how old when she... Sarah and Abraham?
00:42:28.820
Sarah and Abraham. No, we also live until like 200 years old. So we really live until
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200 years old. But that God is still existent today. They're not different gods. He's the
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same God. So if he wanted to, absolutely. Can a woman get pregnant at 60?
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According to our scripture, absolutely. Yep. I believe so.
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But you also got to look at the world around us.
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Why don't we just do a social experiment? Let me see if I can kind of untangle some of this
00:42:52.740
crazy here. So let's start with the, yes, there are people who lived in the Bible hundreds
00:42:58.420
and hundreds and hundreds of years. But do you also remember that people's days got numbered?
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Do you remember that part of the Bible? Yes, but the principle is still the same.
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Hang on. Which part was that in where people's days got numbered?
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Well, throughout scripture, people's days have been numbered.
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No, no, no. When did people's days get numbered?
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Where you could no longer live to a thousand years old. Do you remember?
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You guys don't, indeed, have you never read Genesis?
00:43:41.000
The Revelation is what explains the fall, isn't it?
00:43:47.680
Yeah, so people's days were numbered to 120 years, right?
00:43:53.220
Yeah, so when we're untangling this argument, when you say, okay, well, it's logically possible that some people who lived until they were a thousand years old had babies.
00:44:02.600
But then you remember the part where God numbered your years to 120 years, right?
00:44:06.680
So what we're saying is that, yes, in the Bible, like Sarah and Abraham, 99 years old, 100 years old, okay.
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But what we're saying is the principle is still the same.
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So the Bible sometimes is just you read it and you apply it to your life and what's going on right now in these times.
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And so Abraham wanted kids so badly and he was just not really seeing past what he could see.
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But God was telling him, giving him the vision, giving him what was going to come.
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It was laughable because he's like, I'm 99 years old.
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But then eventually he did at 100, he got a son, right?
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So the whole principle is that we can be so caught up in like, this is, I'm 25, I'm 26, whatever.
00:44:54.560
The numbers of age is different now, but it's the same principle that she's 23.
00:44:59.300
She doesn't need to be in a fear of like, God's not going to give me my husband.
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Like, that's not, God doesn't need us to be in that.
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But we're also not going to be naive and say, okay, we're going to wait till I'm 99 and 100.
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That's taking a Bible and mocking at that point.
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We're talking about the principle and the characteristics of who God is and his promises.
00:45:19.600
If I could add to that, I feel like it kind of sounds like just because I'm waiting to
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pursue, doesn't mean that I don't want a husband.
00:45:25.660
I believe like I'll possibly be married within the next three years.
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I truly believe that, that God will send me that husband.
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And if you guys know in the Christian culture, I don't know if you guys ever heard it before,
00:45:42.760
I just pulled this up for you so that you have it.
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And this is no, no bash on you because obviously you don't have access and I do.
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Then the Lord said, my spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh, his days shall
00:46:00.080
We, we're not saying like, yeah, 99, 100 years or we're going to get, have babies or even
00:46:04.920
We also got to think about the way that people lived back then during the Bible time.
00:46:13.340
So if you don't think that that had an effect on our human body, then.
00:46:20.160
The times of, the way humans live, of course are different, but we're talking about the
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Our God and his characteristics and his principles and his promises.
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I know Brian loves this conversation, but that's what we're talking about here.
00:46:32.700
But you're kind of basing it more on like science and all of that and kind of worshiping what
00:46:39.860
We're talking about our creator and what he could do with us and for us.
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But I mean, if you believed in God, then people who were suffering, who also believed in God
00:46:50.200
Where does the idea that you have to reject science come from because you're a Christian
00:46:55.140
I'm not saying rejecting, but, but she, but I understand what's happening now.
00:47:00.060
You, you're not a Christian or it's a kind of, I was born a Christian.
00:47:04.000
But like, where do you find yourself now and wherever you are?
00:47:06.040
I mean, I would, I hate the word, but I would classify myself as spiritual, spiritual, not
00:47:14.900
So you don't, but so you read the Bible and you don't see it as truth, right?
00:47:20.720
But that's where the disconnect is because we have two different, what the word, what is
00:47:26.320
So it's like, we can go back and forth, but we'll never be able to settle on the same thing
00:47:29.760
because you, you don't believe in the Bible and that's okay.
00:47:48.460
I've heard so many things about like crazy Mormon stories.
00:47:56.600
I don't know if the one I was in would be considered a cult.
00:48:02.260
Well, can I, I'd like to get back to this real quick if you don't mind.
00:48:04.900
So I'm wondering, you would agree with me that marriages in biblical times at least were arranged, right?
00:48:15.200
Yeah, that wasn't, it wasn't you waiting to be pursued by Mr. Right.
00:48:19.440
I mean, God wasn't directing women to get pursued by Mr. Right.
00:48:24.400
Rather, instead what happened was that parents made arrangements for the marriage, correct?
00:48:31.140
Well, no, you're not getting, that's not getting sold off because there's an arranged marriage.
00:48:36.960
In fact, I reject that framework, as she put it.
00:48:40.840
The reason is, is because right now, nosy, busy body parents are all up in their fucking kids' business anyway.
00:48:46.600
So, I mean, let's not pretend that they're not.
00:48:49.140
Let's not pretend that your moms aren't calling you and going, who are you dating and how's it going and da, da, da, da, da.
00:48:56.880
So they're still moving towards an arrangement.
00:48:59.080
They're still trying to move towards an arrangement.
00:49:02.240
They're going to be up in your business, right?
00:49:04.020
They're going to be telling you they don't like him.
00:49:05.400
They're going to be telling you not to marry him.
00:49:06.860
So this idea that you're getting sold off because your parents have influence over who you marry is absurd.
00:49:14.480
It's just different ways of how it's being approached.
00:49:27.760
Well, not around, but kind of just did a group chat.
00:49:49.300
So I guess going back to Alyssa, maybe we'll, we didn't really finish this conversation about who should pursue, who should chase.
00:50:01.620
This would be a much easier conversation if some of you were from this.
00:50:13.360
Arranged marriages tend to be better, reporting being much happier with far fewer divorces and large families.
00:50:33.640
I don't think it's a terrible idea, especially because, I mean, we, someone said that they asked if dating in the modern age is doomed or whatever, ultimately.
00:50:43.360
I think an arranged marriage would actually probably be good for a lot of people.
00:50:47.100
As long as the people arranging it, you can trust them, you know, and they've shown themselves to have good character.
00:50:53.240
Because a lot of people are going to end up single when they don't want to be because the path, it's just hard to navigate.
00:51:00.700
The dating world with the apps and everything and social media has changed a lot.
00:51:04.520
Yeah, I think an arranged marriage, like if my parents were devoted Christians and then we had another couple that had a son that were devoted Christians and they both had the intention of arranging a marriage from a Christian standpoint and that son was a faithful Christian,
00:51:22.860
like I could see it working because it eliminates all the other stuff, the distractions that we have to deal with in today's world.
00:51:31.460
Are you going to arrange your children's marriages?
00:51:35.940
I could see how that works, but it doesn't, it's in today's world I don't see it happening.
00:51:39.960
Or at least in this society in where I'm, I don't see it working.
00:51:46.660
I'm, I'm not saying it doesn't, but for me, I don't know, or even my son, I have a son, I don't know if I, because of the fact that that's not our culture, that's not what we grew up in.
00:51:57.260
And there's social media, there's, there's schools, there's social circles, there's, it's just a whole lot of other things that people look at now, which I'm not saying it's right, it's just reality.
00:52:07.540
So I think it's a lot of more selfishness when we look into who we want to date sometimes instead of.
00:52:13.580
But I mean, you're definitely going to interfere in your son's dating choices, interfere in his life everywhere that you possibly can in order to make sure that he's not with some chick that you don't like or that he's going to be miserable with.
00:52:25.040
Like you're going to interfere as much as you possibly can, right?
00:52:28.840
So the traditional arranged marriage, I'm not going to do, but I'm going to do some sort of like form of it in today's society, of course.
00:52:35.600
I think that it's already, that already we, we never really got away from arranged marriage.
00:52:40.520
What happened is it just took a different form.
00:52:42.900
So I think that what happens instead is that devoted parents still try everything they can possibly do to arrange good partnerships for their children.
00:52:51.960
But often their children are willful, disobedient, this type of thing.
00:52:58.560
But the point in principle is, is that I don't think it ever actually went away.
00:53:02.800
I think that they're still in the business of the kids all the time.
00:53:08.200
And I think probably all of your parents are, right?
00:53:10.900
All of your parents are in your business, right?
00:53:17.780
Before you were married, they were in your business though, weren't they?
00:53:21.620
Do you just not have a good relationship with your parents?
00:53:25.060
I love my parents, but they're just not very interested in that kind of stuff.
00:53:35.640
Before I get into more of my pre-show notes, does anybody here have, those of you who've seen the show before, anybody have any disagreements?
00:53:43.560
Maybe you've seen, maybe you've been on the show before, you've heard a clip from Angie, you've heard a clip from me.
00:54:05.560
Did your husband get down on one knee when he proposed to you?
00:54:10.420
Did he spend thousands of dollars on a wedding ring?
00:54:21.400
Would you say that's the expectation on most women, or excuse me, from most women to most men?
00:54:37.820
Just because the video that you show, it seems very rude.
00:54:43.340
Like, he kicks his shoes off, and she has to go chase them, and then bow, and then he throws his jacket.
00:54:48.240
I'm like, I'd rather, like, I'm willing to take care of your shoes and your...
00:54:54.260
I know, but the video itself seems very demeaning for her.
00:54:58.040
Okay, let me just grant that to you, but do you think that that's really the conduct
00:55:08.420
If I'm just desirous of a bow, which is pretty much what I'm trying to communicate, I'm going
00:55:16.240
So, the other panelists know what we're talking about.
00:55:36.960
You know, this problem, though, is this, uh, where is this?
00:55:39.560
You know, rents are very expensive in some of these places.
00:55:42.440
Look, attentive, dinner's ready, dinner's ready, slipping and sliding all over those
00:55:48.700
hardwood floors, bore, bore, beer, ready to go, noodles mixed, noodles mixed, boom, look
00:56:05.420
I don't want to say specific culture, but in certain cultures, that's still happening
00:56:08.620
today, and it's, but, but it's because the man is holding it down in a way that it's
00:56:19.060
It's happening that way in other cultures because, um, that's a sign of differentiating
00:56:26.080
So, in Asian cultures, they bow to their, their, um, bosses.
00:56:30.220
They bow to people who have a higher social station than they do.
00:56:38.660
Ladies, a bow is a sign of respect and of service.
00:56:42.860
Do you intend to not respect, submit, or be of service to your husband?
00:56:51.980
So, what I was going to tell her is, um, you said that it's, um.
00:57:18.220
Did she have to get off her fucking lazy ass for five minutes and, and, uh, go over and
00:57:27.560
Hey, she, she looked so abused, beaten, all this poor, demeaned.
00:57:32.400
She had to go over and pick up this guy's jacket after he'd worked all day in his socks
00:57:39.820
He wasn't even, he wasn't even submissive to her.
00:57:42.440
He didn't even give her the customary smack on the ass on the way in the door.
00:57:45.700
I don't know what the hell is wrong with him, this psychopath.
00:57:47.360
Andrew, would, would you be okay with your wife bowing to you or does she?
00:57:55.320
No, but I mean, a curtsy is nice every now and again.
00:57:59.580
Well, what does she do that shows like the same honor and respect?
00:58:03.060
Like what's equivalent to that, that your wife does or wish she did?
00:58:10.940
So my wife, my wife foresees my needs before I foresee my needs.
00:58:15.000
She knows what I want to eat before I even know what I want to eat.
00:58:18.900
She knows what it is that I want before I know what it is that I want.
00:58:24.700
In exchange for that, I take care of literally everything in her life.
00:58:33.500
She foresees all of their needs before they foresee what their own needs are.
00:58:42.180
So wait, what, going back to the whole bow thing for you, you've not really had a chance
00:58:51.500
I feel like it says something that you chose that specific video.
00:58:55.900
And, well, it implies that, like, I feel like he goes out of his way to kick his shoes off
00:59:02.200
at her to throw his shirt down on the bed instead of just hanging it up or throwing it in the laundry.
00:59:11.440
Well, you're, I mean, look, that is what is in the video.
00:59:17.980
But in any case, I don't, I don't really, in terms of what I've articulated multiple times
00:59:23.960
on the show, I don't prescriptively advise men to, like, throw their shoes around, throw
00:59:32.680
So, what I have said on the show is that, yeah, it would be attractive and dope and cool if
00:59:42.760
So, if you want to straw man the video as if that is my actual position instead of just
00:59:56.280
Noodles, does that mean that because, like, I don't, so I don't eat noodles, but because
01:00:04.800
Does everything that's in the video need to necessarily apply for me to use a video as
01:00:09.580
an example of, generally speaking, what I'm desirous of?
01:00:17.220
So, I would not require a woman to open a beer for me.
01:00:35.040
Now, you're shifting the goalpost to all the conduct in the video.
01:00:40.360
So, now that I've already essentially disavowed what, in my view, is actually they're doing
01:00:48.420
I don't think that, you know, I'm assuming this was staged to some degree.
01:00:52.560
So, if my desire is simply the bow, which is observed, and I say, I make no statements as
01:01:02.560
I'm just using that video as an example of desiring the action that she takes, which is
01:01:09.060
So, now we can have a precise conversation about that.
01:01:14.820
Well, I don't think a bow in and of itself is demeaning.
01:01:16.800
But that's what you said, the bowing is demeaning.
01:01:19.720
And then you shifted it to all the things the man was doing was demeaning.
01:01:40.240
I don't personally bow, because that's weird in my eyes.
01:01:52.260
I don't think he would seriously ask me to do that.
01:01:54.700
Wait, so there's no objections to the actual, for the woman bowing?
01:02:00.120
Well, why didn't you state that instead of, say, I object to the bow thing, but then you
01:02:04.940
actually object to the conduct of the man in the satirical bowing video, which is like
01:02:27.280
Right, but I've never advised, I've never prescriptively said to men, by the way, when
01:02:32.780
you're greeting your girlfriend, just toss your shoes at her, go into your bedroom, toss
01:02:37.500
your shirt in there, and I think that's the, what you object to.
01:02:46.060
So, have I ever advised on this podcast that men ought to demean his girlfriend?
01:02:54.460
The demeaning nature of the man, but I'm, the point of the video is showing the desirous
01:03:01.580
I just think it's funny that you, you always show that one video, and it's like such a demeaning
01:03:14.900
It just seems weird to be kind of your stuff around.
01:03:15.380
So, I understand, so Brian's point is just to say that if you agree with him that he enjoys
01:03:20.420
the bow, but maybe not all aspects of the video, you don't actually have an objection
01:03:24.240
to him just wanting to have a woman bow to him, right?
01:03:29.800
So, then your objection would be more towards me because I don't see anything demeaning in
01:03:33.360
the video at all, and I think it's perfectly acceptable if he walks in, kicks his shoes
01:03:36.960
all over the fucking floor, throws his jacket on the ground, she picks it up.
01:03:41.960
I don't see that as being demeaning at all, any more than it's demeaning for me to crawl
01:03:46.200
on the ground underneath a machine covered in pig guts all the way up to my hips so I
01:03:52.140
can fix a machine so that you can afford the fucking noodles that you get to sit at home
01:04:01.360
Now, can you tell me why you think that it's demeaning?
01:04:03.780
Well, just imagine if it was your boss who poured the pig shit all over the place that
01:04:08.420
Or, would you have appreciated it more if he hadn't poured the pig shit all over the
01:04:17.940
So, the thing is, is that I can't tell you how many times there was employees who maybe
01:04:23.100
fucked something up, who were around any number of these different factories you have to crawl
01:04:27.560
through ways deep in blood in order to clean or, you know, service a machine or fix a robot
01:04:40.180
He didn't want to hear, oh, that guy really shouldn't have done that, Paul.
01:04:47.980
What are you doing in here bothering me with this shit?
01:04:52.260
So, I don't think your husband cares that much.
01:04:54.800
I mean, if he comes home and he kicks his shoes on the ground, you got to pick him up.
01:04:58.320
But, you know, it's kind of a woe is me thing, right?
01:05:00.240
Like, it seems like crying over spilled milk a little bit.
01:05:09.200
That's like the most annoying trait a female can have on planet Earth is to bring up a bunch of just minute nitpicks about her man.
01:05:17.540
If your husband's been all day bringing up minute nitpicks about you, you would be so annoyed that you couldn't see straight.
01:05:25.920
They just don't bring up all the nitpicks they have about women, of which there's always many.
01:05:33.280
Your husband's in the middle of doing something super important and you start bothering him with what I call tangential woman prattle.
01:05:39.760
Something that is actually not important, but you think it's important.
01:05:43.420
And since you think it's important, it needs to be talked about even though it's not actually important.
01:05:53.020
Your poor husband's sitting at home right now, he's kicked back in his recliner, he's watching this, and he's like, yes, you fucking have, but maybe I'm wrong.
01:06:08.200
I mean, what are the traits that you have that are annoying?
01:06:13.580
Yeah, I get irrationally angry at least once a month.
01:06:21.080
I mean, if you were going to take the actual question serious, though.
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But other than that, other than your biology, you have zero annoying habits.
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I'm sure I do, but I'm sure he doesn't notice because he has ADHD and half the time.
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We just don't bring it up because it's not important, so we don't give a shit.
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And I'm sure the girl in the video, if it was a real scenario, which I highly doubt,
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I highly doubt she said anything either because that would be her life.
01:07:02.140
I'm going to tell you something that I do that's super annoying.
01:07:06.680
Okay, so I like to have my plate of food brought to me where nothing's touching, but then I mix it all together myself, and then I eat it.
01:07:18.880
So I want, but if you bring it to me and anything's touching, I'm like, what the fuck?
01:07:24.920
I want you to bring me the plate of food, and then I, you know, I grab the bacon and throw it in the eggs, and then I mix all that shit up.
01:07:38.960
Now, I'm sure she does all sorts of annoying things, too.
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I'm not going to bring any of those up because who gives a shit, ultimately?
01:07:58.820
You know you pick up after your wife, what that comment said.
01:08:24.540
Okay, well, while we're waiting on that, we are going to call him right back.
01:08:29.000
We are going to get into some of the other pre-show.
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I don't have a disagreement, but I have a question.
01:08:46.180
You know how you usually typically will bring on a lot of, like, OnlyFans girls and stuff?
01:08:49.580
Yeah, from all clips that I've seen anyways, I see that there's a lot of OnlyFans girls or girls that are, like, very pro, like, sexual liberation.
01:08:58.280
And I feel like you guys are very harsh in the way that you debate with them to try and alter their opinions on things.
01:09:05.620
I just am curious as to why you go about such a harsh way of doing it.
01:09:12.980
Do you think that that actually changes their minds or their perspectives in any way?
01:09:16.400
Or do you just kind of want to do it for the sake of debating and not actually try and change mentality?
01:09:22.060
So let me address your, do we have Andrew back, by the way?
01:09:39.480
Yeah, I wasn't clicked on anything that happened earlier than me.
01:09:43.340
Why don't you stop virtual cam, restart virtual cam for Andrew?
01:09:59.060
Why don't you close out of Discord, redo the call?
01:10:11.060
We're trying to get Andrew called back in here.
01:10:18.140
So your first criticism is we bring on a lot of OnlyFans girls.
01:10:25.420
How many OnlyFans girls do we have on this panel?
01:10:33.400
People have this, we've had OnlyFans girls on the show.
01:10:43.940
So I've actually had somebody, because this is a criticism we get frequently, that we just
01:10:52.300
bring on sex workers and OnlyFans girls and we bring them on to dunk on them.
01:10:58.880
But the important part to be accurate about is this idea that we only bring on OnlyFans girls.
01:11:07.820
And actually doing an analysis of all the guests.
01:11:10.920
And I had somebody painstakingly go through every single episode and listen to, you know,
01:11:17.560
we're getting data collected, age, occupations, et cetera.
01:11:22.300
I believe it's less than 20% of the panelists are involved in OF or some kind of sex work.
01:11:31.260
Granted, we have had sex workers and OnlyFans girls on the show.
01:11:35.100
But this idea that we overwhelmingly, or that we're somehow an OF ad agency, is just ridiculous
01:11:41.500
if you actually spend any time watching the show or doing any research.
01:11:46.280
Well, I can also give a counter here that Brian definitely holds different views than
01:11:53.920
And I've actually not seen him be particularly harsh towards women based on sexual history
01:12:03.320
Um, and I think he gets a lot of flack and criticisms for my views, even though they're
01:12:09.960
So I think that that's a, that's a fair, it's a fair criticism to make.
01:12:14.220
Uh, for me, I'm definitely hard on him and I have great justifications for why.
01:12:19.680
Uh, but I've never actually seen really Brian be very harsh with, uh, with any woman in those
01:12:25.140
regards, unless they've been super disrespectful on the show.
01:12:28.000
But for the most part, I've just never really seen that.
01:12:31.060
And so, I mean, just, just to be fair, yes, I've gotten into heated, heated exchanges with,
01:12:41.980
I guess I would have to have asked you to be specific and point to, uh, a specific interaction
01:12:49.480
or specific thing that I've said, which you deem to be harsh, which may very well exist,
01:13:00.440
I think the culture generalizing of this show from the viral clips, it does show that.
01:13:06.200
And so it's probably the ones that are the most viral that show people being quite harsh
01:13:09.940
That's why it was just more so the curiosity of if you guys, when these specific people
01:13:14.560
are on the show, do tend to debate more with them in a harsher way.
01:13:20.560
There's a, there's a bad, there's kind of a bad straw man smuggled in there.
01:13:30.380
Most of the viral clips from the, whatever podcasts are guests themselves arguing.
01:13:34.900
So when you say you guys, but you didn't make the differentiation, but we're the guests
01:13:39.460
and you guys are arguing with the guests, that's incorrect.
01:13:42.400
Most of the viral clips are guests themselves arguing.
01:13:50.800
I'm just saying the, um, not to generalize as in pairing in you guys, more so from my
01:13:56.180
observation of the podcast, that's what I've seen.
01:13:59.480
And it was just a genuine, as I said, not a, um, I don't agree.
01:14:04.800
It was just a curiosity question as do you think that there's a, do you have an intent
01:14:10.160
Or is it just because you enjoy communicating that way?
01:14:12.420
The why you, so there's the straw man again, right?
01:14:18.000
There's viral clips that go of guests who are arguing, right?
01:14:26.940
So I'm not specifically, um, putting anyone down, as I said, just to emphasize it, it's
01:14:30.900
just a curiosity question as to why, um, you think that happens.
01:14:35.540
Do you think that it changes anything because it is a dating podcast?
01:14:38.400
Do you think that there's any type of positive ripple effects from what you do?
01:14:41.460
Yeah, I think that there's widespread, there's widespread disagreement on the way that people
01:14:49.160
And I think that arguments are part of the distinction in interpersonal connection.
01:14:54.800
So when you talk about dating, this is a really broad scope.
01:14:57.820
For example, there's men who have been on this podcast who say they won't date a Democrat.
01:15:02.560
There's been Democrat women on the podcast say they won't debate a Republican or date a Republican.
01:15:08.020
Well, obviously that's going to inspire some back and forth where people disagree with each
01:15:13.400
other because it's such a wide scale when it comes to dating preferences are so widely
01:15:18.600
based that you're going to have arguments and you're going to have them often, just like
01:15:23.220
you do with people you're actually dating, right?
01:15:27.000
That's interpersonal relationships, interpersonal relationships of any kind or interpersonal communication
01:15:31.420
of any kind is going to necessarily lead to argumentation.
01:15:34.920
So would you say like this space is just more you guys are holding the space to be able
01:15:40.360
to have these arguments, not necessarily that you guys are advocating for one or the other?
01:15:46.540
So what happens is you have people who have sometimes adversarial views, sometimes not adversarial
01:15:58.520
He has a nuanced approach to the way that he looks at different things.
01:16:01.300
So his arguments are more nuanced, but he has a completely different idea about dating than
01:16:09.260
But these guests, as they interconnect, there's no time I can ever think of where you get eight
01:16:14.340
people in a room and they're going to agree about dating.
01:16:22.240
So if you bring kind of eight or 10 random people in a room or even six and you start asking
01:16:27.380
some of these questions, I think that, yeah, it's going to inspire conversation back and
01:16:30.440
forth, which can end up in adversarial debates.
01:16:38.860
So while the Whatever Podcast does distribute and publish and create clips of our own, there's
01:16:45.640
also viral clips that do not originate from us too.
01:16:48.700
Now, these clips are of the Whatever Podcast, but it is worth at least pointing out and adding
01:16:56.660
on to what Andrew said, is that not all the clips, a lot of these viral clips are third
01:17:02.980
parties that just, even without our permission, I don't really, honestly, I don't really care,
01:17:07.760
but they will make clips from the podcast and distribute them.
01:17:11.240
So in terms of, like, if there's a criticism as to the selection of these specific clips,
01:17:18.900
not all of the clips originate from our production end.
01:17:26.360
But I think Andrew made some fantastic points there.
01:17:30.220
Again, though, I would have to hear, like, a specific, like, clip that you saw.
01:17:36.380
And I'll even grant that, yeah, there's been moments where I've been, I think the word
01:17:46.200
Although I would say the good majority of the time, this is in response to somebody being
01:17:51.220
either delusional or they're being rude first or they're being unreasonable first or they're
01:17:59.220
I typically have a rule that I won't attack somebody unless they attack me first.
01:18:04.480
Although, granted, I mean, there's hundreds and hundreds of hours of the show.
01:18:11.120
But you'd have to point to a specific clip for me to actually be able to address your
01:18:17.100
Well, to be honest with you, Andrew's answer answered the curiosity question perfectly.
01:18:20.740
That was more, was there any specific intent behind any of it?
01:18:23.940
And the fact that, as you were saying, it's more so like an open forum just answered for
01:18:30.240
I guess more so what the motive is, for lack of a better term.
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Well, I'll just double pretty much whatever Andrew said and I'll just add on.
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Are you pro-promiscuity or you just want to know why?
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Yeah, I just want to know your, I don't know, justifications.
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The more sexually promiscuous you are, the higher likelihood of catching or transmitting
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Secondly, I don't think it makes for a good culture, social cohesion, social fabric.
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And just in terms of my own romantic preferences, and I think the preferences of large swaths
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of men, men do not want to date promiscuous women.
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So anything we can do to combat promiscuity in both men and women, I think, is a net positive
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But not like, I don't think every single OnlyFans model has to be engaged.
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Dawsey underscore from underscore Oz donated $200.
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For once, we have an Australian chick on your podcast who has a brain and can articulate
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We had a cool Australian girl last episode, but we've had a string of, I don't know what's
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going on, a couple of not-so-great Australian guests.
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Yeah, so I was saying, like, not every, I think, not every OnlyFans model has to engage
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Yeah, but you said, like, about the diseases, it's not, like...
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Just from my background, I think that that's a misconception that a lot of people have about
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But the matter of the fact is that you do have to do that type of content, and it's
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not Instagram-type content, it's not fluffy, it's not anything like that.
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I don't know if I can say, but it is pornographic content, and you are a sex worker.
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And I think that a lot of people are under the misconception that you can do that type of
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work and not do that type of stuff, but just to make it abundantly clear and evident, to
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do OnlyFans, you most absolutely have to do pornographic content.
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I didn't know that, so I was just, yeah, I was just curious.
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Why can't you just post pictures and not engage in, like, sexual intercourses with other
01:21:23.960
So I said that I'm against promiscuity, you asked me why, and then you brought it to
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Yeah, so I was thinking about, I was asking about OnlyFans, but maybe it was, like, unclear
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Promiscuity means that you're going around having sex, right?
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Yeah, so you were thinking just, like, OnlyFans, like, online?
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Yeah, I was just, yeah, I was genuinely curious about why...
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Well, I would not say that promiscuity is simply going around having sex, no.
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I would say, for instance, that if you were a stripper, for instance, that you would be
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being promiscuous and provocative on purpose, even if you weren't having sex with the clients,
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I would consider all sorts of sexual signals to be promiscuity as well.
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I don't think that it requires penetrative sex or sex acts to be promiscuous.
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Yeah, like, everyone's Instagrams these days are just covered in half-naked photos of
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Even if you're not engaging in sex with the people that like your photos, that is promiscuous
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behavior, and it does say something, and it does affect you and society.
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I think you also have to think about the kind of guy that it will lead you to, because most
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guys do not appreciate girls sharing their bodies like that.
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You don't do things with people, but that limits your options of men already, and those
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men are probably the more promiscuous kind of guys who do do dirty things that might
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But was there an objection there when it came to the promiscuity component?
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Let's do the dating app, or let's do Twitch first.
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How could it be that none of you have a single objection to anything else?
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Like, I've said some really objectionable things, and not one?
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Guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever, drop us a follow, and a prime sub if you're watching.
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Guys, there's 1,000 viewers if you're not following us already.
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Drop us a follow if you're watching on YouTube.
01:23:34.980
And, guys, it's been 13 minutes since we have a prime.
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The fact that you're against us women in ministry.
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I know we talked about it last time, but, yeah, I'm very...
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And if you're pretending that you are in ministry, then you're preaching a demonic gospel.
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Not only can I source this from the Protestant perspective, but I would like to ask you, first and foremost, if you know anything about church history.
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Before we get into trying to throw Bible verses back and forth, can we just start with church history?
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Are you asking if in the early church was there any apostles that were female?
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No, I'm asking things like, do you know anything about the Great Schism or the Second Schism or any of the councils, the ecumenical councils which were brought together?
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Why do you follow the Bible if you don't know anything about its history?
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Because I believe in Jesus and Jesus is the Word and the Word is God and I just follow.
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I haven't read the entire Bible from front to back, but what I have read from it, it does allow women to be in ministry.
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What if I told you that throughout the entire history of the church, women were not allowed to be clergy ever until about a few hundred years ago?
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I'm just saying, let's just say that it were true.
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Would that hold any weight whatsoever in your mind as to whether or not women should have ministries?
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I mean, I would be like, okay, well, in the Bible, does it say that?
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Even like the things that have happened, they could prove that Jesus...
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Although there are experiences where you could, quote unquote, say that you could feel the
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But as far as the Bible goes, yeah, it's been proven and it's continuously been proven.
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What's your best proof that Jesus Christ existed?
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That over 500 people saw him after he rose again.
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That's, there's no mass, there is no mass hallucinations.
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It's not a matter of fact if Jesus existed or not.
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He, in every religion, people can, can look at Jesus and know that he was real and he existed.
01:27:09.120
Okay, and Jesus was a conductor of miracles, correct?
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So as a conductor of miracles, these were also witnessed, right?
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And then, yeah, there's even people that weren't his disciples, people in, like the Roman, yeah.
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I mean, you look at history books from that time.
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What I've noticed is, is that when I talk to Protestants, if I ask them kind of basic questions about church history,
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And I think that that's kind of an important detail.
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And they just kind of seem to pay it lip service.
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So, for instance, the idea, are you a Trinitarian?
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Okay, when did that idea get introduced into Christianity, do you know?
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In the beginning was the word, and then also when it laid.
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Do you know when the idea itself got introduced?
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Because the church was fighting about this, right?
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There was Unitarians, essentially, under a guy named Arius.
01:28:32.760
They had taken over 90% of it until they had a council, which they finally were able to settle this in.
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And you're just like, you don't know any of that, right?
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But don't you think that it's, but this is why, this is why the body of the church is so important.
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Because the body of the church, hang on, because the body of the church is the conductor of the history of the church.
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And then they're able to utilize both tradition and church history in order to convey to you the proper message.
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This original church, the reason you're a Trinitarian is because their council, their council told you that you are to be a Trinitarian as a Christian.
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That's what they, the original church, said to you to do.
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So how come we take one part of what they say and you would accept it as being true, but then the other parts that you don't like, you reject only because you just don't like them?
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Can I, I have three questions slash points that I have for you.
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If you don't, are you saying that females in general can't be used by God?
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Because then my question there, okay, that's what I was going to say.
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There's a difference between that and being clergy.
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So then my second question, well, sorry, I was just going to say that was my first question because then I was going to ask how, what is your interpretation of the significance of the book of Esther, of the book of Ruth and stuff like that, who are very significant women in our faith.
01:30:18.560
But if you don't, I guess, discount the fact that we were clergy.
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What is your understanding of what ministry is?
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My question was, do you think that the Lord can use women?
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That was just my question to clarify just so I could understand more.
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We're talking about whether or not women can be clergy.
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And then my second question is you said that the church's history is a mix of tradition.
01:31:00.520
My question for you is didn't Jesus come back because he was basically wanting to break that because the Pharisees was just tradition.
01:31:12.020
But wasn't that the issue with the dogmaticness of the Pharisees and that they were all tradition?
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He told his disciples to take his church to all four corners of the world, which is exactly what they did with ministries.
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Can you name the female that went to any four corners of this earth in order to deliver his message to the world?
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I was going to say, I think in the book of Acts, and you could look this up and correct me if I'm wrong.
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I'm not saying specifically ministers that have written scripture, but I'm pretty sure in the book of Acts, it actually does reference women who became believers and then went out and spoke.
01:31:58.140
So are you specifically, yeah, talking about that.
01:32:02.140
And then my third question for you is you were saying that when did the Trinity come into faith?
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Wouldn't that have been on the day of Pentecost?
01:32:15.400
Women should keep silent in churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should also be in submission, as the law also says.
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If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it's improper for a woman to speak in church.
01:32:29.900
So what they're talking about, I actually just learned this, that the context in that is that the wife should not be interrupting in the middle of a sermon, like, hey, husband, what did the pastor mean?
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Like, trying to learn from him in the middle and wait until you get home.
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That's both of them sitting in the church and as a husband and wife taking in the sermon.
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So if a church is just people, if it's just a, if we're all just the assembly of the church, then this means any time that you are being ministered to by any man, you should be quiet, right?
01:33:16.540
Because everywhere you are, by your logic, would be the church.
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Okay, well then go ahead and I'm waiting for the counter argument because no isn't one.
01:33:32.860
If we have, if we have the apostle Paul and I was with my husband and the apostle Paul is talking, right?
01:33:40.360
I'm not going to be interrupting my husband saying, what did he mean when he said this?
01:33:44.380
It's like that, that is saying you go and wait until you're home and, and, and get that answer.
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When you're being taught, when you're being taught by, being taught where, by who?
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But that's by someone that's in the church, but that's not saying that the woman is in the
01:34:07.540
Well, you keep on saying we're in a church, we're in a church and, and a pastor's talking,
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And I think going back, and I think going back to where you are at all times, you're
01:34:23.560
supposed to be quiet and not correct men, right?
01:34:41.700
They're, they're in a, in a church setting where they're being taught the word of God.
01:34:55.900
It's not that you invite the Holy Spirit in there.
01:35:06.020
What was, what was those last three words you said?
01:35:18.140
And going back to even you said it, you said, um, Jesus told all his disciples and he told
01:35:22.820
people to go out to the four ends of the earth and tell people about it.
01:35:26.980
So if I'm a woman and the Bible says that I'm going to do that, I'm not going to be
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like, no, I can't do that because I, he didn't speak directly to me.
01:35:34.920
It says in the Bible, he spoke to his disciples.
01:35:36.800
It talks about us, no matter who you are to go and do that.
01:35:40.900
And then when Jesus would heal or perform miracles, he would also tell them, you've been healed
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now, go, now go, go tell them, go tell them about the miracles, tell them that I have healed
01:35:54.300
So that's what we're talking about is going to share the word of God, going to share our
01:36:00.560
And I'm not sure exactly what your title or your position is.
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I think he was talking about even my other question.
01:36:06.380
So if we're, are we being nuanced and saying specifically a clergy?
01:36:13.660
Listen, I just wanted to make sure I got all of your answers for the coup de grace.
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man.
01:36:28.140
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man.
01:36:36.700
Moving on from there, I just, I just read for you.
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A woman is not to correct, but must ask her husband, right?
01:36:46.000
In the Bible, it talks about a woman submitting to her husband.
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So if I'm a woman in a relationship and I'm trying to overrule him.
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Okay, I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man.
01:37:15.560
I don't know about you guys, but when I'm saying ministry, it's holding Bible study, sharing testimonies, going out there and serving, creating ministries for seniors, whatever it is to go out and help people.
01:37:33.720
Andrew, if you bring up our last conversation from a month ago, I had the same stance.
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I'm not going to bring up the conversation from a month ago.
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I'm going to give you a counter argument right now.
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So you're out there giving your little ministry, your little Bible study, right?
01:37:49.640
And a man comes over and he says, no, you're full of shit.
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Does it say that he has to come over and be nice and kiss your ass?
01:38:19.640
Does it say he has to be nice and kiss your ass?
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We also got to be aware of sheeps and wolves and wolves clothing.
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I do not permit a woman to teach or assume authority over a man.
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If a man comes over and corrects your teaching, are you allowed to assume authority over him?
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This time, answer the actual question I ask you.
01:38:46.300
Are you allowed to assume authority over a man ever?
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So if he comes over and corrects you, how could you say you're wrong?
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If he's an atheist, I'm not going to pay attention to him.
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I'll just ignore him because why would I pay attention to an atheist?
01:39:05.360
If he's a Christian, then yeah, that's different.
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So if he's a Christian, you're never going to correct him?
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I wouldn't ignore him if he was a Christian man.
01:39:16.820
If that is true, then be quiet the rest of this podcast and never correct another thing I say about theology ever.
01:39:24.480
Now, this is just holding you to your own stance, right?
01:39:27.040
Like, everything you say about theology is wrong, and you, by your own stance, cannot correct me without teaching me.
01:39:35.020
You're not allowed to do that, again, by your own stance.
01:39:37.860
So you can never say a word about my theology being wrong again ever, right?
01:39:52.820
I think we're getting so off the topic, like you said, clergy, right?
01:39:59.220
And not only that, like you said, if a man comes to me and he's speaking, saying that's false and everything, my word comes from the man, like from Jesus.
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Yeah, we could try to tell people, convince him of the word.
01:40:26.520
I did what Jesus told me to do, which was spread the word.
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As long as I could go in and speak the word, that's all I care about.
01:40:36.000
If I'm spreading the word, I don't need no title.
01:40:45.420
And I'm going to share the word that came from him.
01:40:54.140
I listened very patiently to everything that you had to say, correct?
01:40:59.240
Now, do you mind if I cross-examine some of these views?
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So let's say that you're giving your testimony, which is definitely not ministry, right?
01:41:12.180
And a man comes in who's a Christian and he says, yeah, no, that's wrong.
01:41:24.340
What happens if he says, okay, then be silent while I teach the rest of the crowd class?
01:41:29.420
Wait, so is he a person listening to my testimony or he's the one running it?
01:41:35.520
He's listening to it and he stands up and he goes, everything this chick is saying is wrong.
01:41:39.760
I'm going to go ahead and teach something totally different than what she's teaching.
01:41:45.000
I mean, if he's just some random, I mean, at a church just standing up and saying, oh, I'm going to go up there and teach.
01:41:51.960
I'm pretty sure not just me and a couple people are not going to let him go up there.
01:41:56.840
I mean, I'm sharing my perspective and my story.
01:41:59.420
If I know the truth of what happened to me, I don't need his approval of saying, oh, that's false or that's true.
01:42:06.420
Yeah, but are you going to be backing that up with scripture?
01:42:10.820
Whatever you say your testimony is, you're going to back up with scripture.
01:42:14.200
Back up with scripture that he transformed my mind, he transformed my heart.
01:42:19.540
Okay, so how do we know for sure that whatever you're saying according to the gospel is true?
01:42:27.500
You're saying that what I'm backing up my testimony with, if it's true?
01:42:33.940
We would know, wouldn't we, by appealing again to the gospel itself, right?
01:42:40.400
And the gospel itself says, do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man, right?
01:42:54.180
It talks about a woman submitting to her husband, but it also talks about a husband submitting and serving his wife.
01:43:00.460
No, when it comes to mutual submission, I'm happy to get into that next, because what is called mutual submission and what you claim is mutual submission are two very, very, very different things.
01:43:11.840
So when it comes to mutual submission, man is still the head, the head, and is denoted as being the head.
01:43:18.300
When it says mutual submission, we're talking about submission to God, and what you're submitting to are your duties to God, to your wife.
01:43:25.060
She's submitting to God what her duties are to you.
01:43:31.020
Therefore, the submission is not going to be we're equal.
01:43:36.580
Mutual submission does not mean equality nor egalitarianism.
01:43:39.800
This is some bullshit that's made up by a bunch of crazy feminist Protestants.
01:43:44.760
So, moving back, though, away from submission and back to this, you claim that the way that people would know that your testimony was correct is if you could back it with gospel, right?
01:44:02.260
The gospel of what happened about Jesus, yes, all of that is true.
01:44:14.180
Okay, so I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man.
01:44:17.540
Can you read the scriptures above that and below?
01:44:25.420
Can you read the scriptures above that and below it?
01:44:38.900
If I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man, she must be quiet.
01:44:51.700
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man.
01:45:07.240
But the woman was deceived and became the transgressor.
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So the reason here that he's giving for why it is that women cannot teach is because they are susceptible to deception and so will likely be preaching a false gospel and a false dogma.
01:45:23.680
Now, going on from here, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived, became the transgressor.
01:45:29.520
Yet she'll be saved through childbearing if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self-control.
01:45:35.020
So after telling you the reasoning why it is you can't teach, then telling you specifically why you can't teach, it also goes on to tell you the pathway to salvation for how you'd be saved is through childbirth.
01:45:45.900
So it's giving you all, everything you could ever want right there.
01:45:53.920
And the reason you're not allowed to assume that head authority role is because women are easily deceived.
01:45:59.520
And he points this out by saying, who was deceived by the serpent?
01:46:03.940
And then Eve was the transgressor against Adam.
01:46:13.280
But also in the Bible, it talks about there's many men who were deceived as well.
01:46:17.860
I'll allow this to go on for another three minutes.
01:46:23.660
So ministry is serving, serving God and sharing the word.
01:46:27.920
Someone said in the comments, teaching and spreading the word is, they're different things.
01:46:32.920
And so you can be serving by sharing the gospel, sharing the good news.
01:46:36.240
Like you're telling me I'm at a subway and I see someone that's drugged up and in desperate need.
01:46:40.400
I'm going to be like, I can't tell him about the word of God.
01:46:44.140
That doesn't make it like, you know, it says go.
01:46:47.600
Quite the sense of pride you have there to decide arbitrarily arguing with thousands of years of church history on top of arguing with what your own, with what the gospels you believe say.
01:47:00.320
It's righteous anger because the great commission is to go.
01:47:03.260
And so I'm going to, I'm not listening to someone taking something out of context.
01:47:10.460
But you're talking, what we're saying is sharing the gospel, sharing the word, giving someone the hope of Jesus Christ versus let me teach you the Greek word of ministry, which is to serve, is like, that is different.
01:47:24.660
Like, I'm not going to sit here and teach a man on Ephesians 6, whatever.
01:47:30.180
I'm here to share the gospel, to serve in ministry, to help those in need.
01:47:45.900
How do you minister to people without teaching them?
01:47:49.760
You can read the, you can read and tell them John 3, 16.
01:47:56.280
In Romans, it talks about if you have the gift of serving people, if you have the gift of teaching, if you have the gift of prophecy, go ahead and do that.
01:48:06.980
So, I mean, you could have your own definition of what ministry is.
01:48:11.620
We have our own definition of what ministry is.
01:48:30.740
I believe tongues is me having intimacy with God.
01:48:39.500
Yeah, well, in the scripture, but it says you don't speak in tongues in a public place,
01:48:44.140
unless there's an interpreter there, and that tongues is only meant to be essentially behind closed doors for ad-libbing what the scripture says.
01:48:58.620
So, the thing is, if you're going to channel the language of the angels, do you think you should have an interpreter there to do it for you?
01:49:06.200
If it's done in a public place in church, otherwise, technically, it says you're speaking gibberish and no one knows what you're saying.
01:49:13.300
If it's done in a public place, that's why you need an interpreter.
01:49:20.920
I think if we're all praying, if we're praying to God, like we're in worship, and you're in an intimate moment with God, and you're doing that prayer language, yeah.
01:49:31.400
We're not getting on stage and grabbing the mic from our pastor, and then all of a sudden speaking in tongues in front of the church, like that's different.
01:49:39.420
I mean, I could, I still kind of counter that a little bit, even though we're on the same side.
01:49:43.680
I mean, when I'm praying sometimes over the church and the congregation, yeah, I'll start busting out speaking in tongues because I'm in tune with the Holy Spirit, and I'm praying.
01:49:50.320
That's my prayer language, and if tongues comes out, it comes out, but it's, but I do understand what you're saying, too.
01:49:57.720
Do you guys walk around and flap your arms and go, ah, do you do that shit?
01:50:05.980
Do you walk around and flap your arms and go, ah, do you do it?
01:50:08.580
They talk all fucking weird, and you, like, lose control of your body.
01:50:13.320
Do you do, do you do the, do you do the Jesus wave?
01:50:17.480
Like, when they're doing the music, do you go, ah, ah, ah, do you do the wave?
01:50:27.320
I mean, you cherry picking the stuff that's up there, and you got your head going back,
01:50:43.720
In the, in the, in Acts, people thought they were drunk, but it was the Holy Spirit, so
01:50:49.320
People will make it look like it, oh, they must be drunk.
01:50:51.360
Anyways, Andrew, did you, uh, did you change your stream setup?
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I noticed you're, like, looking off to a different monitor, or?
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Because normally you're, like, looking dead, dead center.
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Well, so the way the Discord is, usually my chair would be higher, so I can look straight
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But because I have to lower the chair, it looks like I'm looking up the camera.
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If I can raise the chair and it can re-center, then it would be, it would look like I'm looking
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Erin Forsythe, atheist, atheist here, and in all honesty.
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I have to agree with the Bible on women not preaching would be another entitlement for
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Those of you watching on the live stream, hit that like button.
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I know I'm 30 minutes late, but appreciate it, bro.
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Okay, so let's get into some more of the pre-show notes.
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You said going on dates with guys that were really, I should just wait until she's back.
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Anyone who says, thou shalt not judge to Christians when they're being called out deserves even
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harsher judgment, in my opinion, because they're just trying to deflect.
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People take one verse that's, in the context of the entire verse, it's actually talking about
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Every single thing that you look at and you assess, you're making judgments constantly.
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And Christians are called to judge righteously.
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And I think if people, I think people who are doing stupid things, they love to throw out
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They word it wrong and they tell us not to judge.
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I think it's one of the reasons why people are struggling to date is because feminism has
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I can't speak for the entirety of it because, to be honest, it's not something I study because
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But I do see the side effects, especially with young women.
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I see women just normalizing man-hating and desensitizing each other to it by constantly
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And I think women are starting to have no problem openly hating men.
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And men are not wanting to respond to that in a nice way.
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And it's one of the reasons why feminism is cancerous.
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And you also said, not really dating related, but college is a brainwashing predatory financial
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Yeah, of course I worded it in that way to be a little bit of a hot take, right?
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But I do think the way the college is set up is absolutely psychotic.
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I think it's about the average 25-year-old college student, I think 24, 25, is at least
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And then in these colleges, I mean, they're encouraged to focus on these degrees, which
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is costing them extra money, or majors, rather, get certificates and stuff.
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When, honestly, you could go to, there's, I think there's 24 states where there are community
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colleges that actually allow you to get your bachelor's degree through that, and you could
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And going to these universities ends up being this, like, sheep mindset that it just puts
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all these people together and teaches them, the culture just teaches these people to be,
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And that way, unfortunately, I think is causing the downfall of our society.
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It's kind of like a weird, predatory financial babysitting scheme.
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Of course you have to go to college if you need to get a degree to be a doctor and whatnot.
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It's just, I think in general, people go there because they don't know what to do next, and
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And being that much in debt, people don't want to marry you if you're in $50,000 of debt.
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Financial issues is one of the huge reasons marriages break up and people divorce.
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And then you wanted to talk about bringing it back to dating related.
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Going on dates with guys that were really nice, but the chemistry wasn't there, made
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me feel guilty when I had, when I'd end things with them.
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I never could let them pay for me if it was a one-off date.
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I even agreed to be someone's girlfriend once, went on a few dates over the course of
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a month, felt so guilty when the chemistry didn't happen that I tried to offer to pay
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He didn't let me pay, he didn't let me pay back because he was really nice.
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In the past, I've never dated a stranger in my life.
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They've always been like a male friend that I met through school or whatnot, or someone
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And so I knew who they were, they were nice, and maybe they'd take me on a date and I just
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And it's not a matter of like, I care so much about, oh, 50-50 split the bill.
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Like, when I realize after this dinner, I don't want to do anything else with you, like
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I don't want to pursue this, then I don't want to let them pay for me.
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I mean, obviously this is in the past, I'm married now.
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And yeah, I've even gone to a dinner date and I didn't even end up eating because I felt
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But they were so nice and I thought, you know, it's potentially I'd be willing to try it
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But yeah, that's the thing is I don't feel like a, I don't feel entitled to people buying
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me dinner when I realize like the chemistry is not there and we're not going to do it
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So this has happened to you multiple times, correct?
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They were nice, treated you well, but there wasn't chemistry.
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You know, there's really no way to simply explain chemistry.
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I guess to simplify it, we'll just say attraction.
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But you said they were physically attractive and they were pleasant.
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People can be very physically attractive, but for some reason it's just not clicking.
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From the female perspective, you hear this shit all the time.
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Yeah, this is women's desire for a guy who treats them poorly, essentially.
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And I realized that if I was going to be in a relationship that would one day develop into
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marriage, that's a long time to spend with somebody when you're that young because you don't get
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I just think that's an uncommon thing because an uncommon thing is even I've noticed a lot
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of hardcore feminists still think that their meal should be paid for for these guys
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And I'm not talking about an exchange of carnal knowledge or anything crazy like that.
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But I just personally think if the date doesn't work out and you know in your heart you're
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I think it is polite to pay your own bill and not make them pay for you.
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So I'm not really trying to argue the whole money component to this.
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I'm more so interested in this whole like he's attractive, he's pleasant, good personality,
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But there's just not that click, the vibe, the chemistry.
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So even if their personalities, they're not like weird or they're just, they're good
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Don't you have people you're not friends with because you guys just don't vibe?
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Like there's a group of people that you don't hate.
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I know, but it's the same thing, human interaction.
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But there's certain people you just won't, you don't vibe with.
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It's not that they're bad people or there's something wrong about them.
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So, I mean, at least from the male perspective.
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It happened to me, like, recently where I met up with someone and I'm like, oh, I already know.
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What do you do to create the click, the vibe, the chemistry?
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Because it always seems like it's the men that have to be conducting themselves in a certain way in order to elicit that.
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It's obnoxious when people are just, and I know it happens and I understand why people do it, but that people are so formal and fake during dates.
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Now, I'm all for formality and all that, but I, no, you don't need to conduct yourself in a certain way.
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I think he's asking, like, what do we do in order to create chemistry?
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See, because the vibe and the chemistry, the vibe is only something that is elicited by the male.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you make jokes with him and let's say he doesn't get your humor, it's you guys, it's you guys who feel, no, no, no, no, no, it's because it's you guys who feel the chemistry or the click or the vibe.
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You know, when you're making eye contact with somebody when you're on a date and you just feel something, you either do or you don't.
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So you wouldn't date a guy whose eye contact was weak then?
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You're so, you're so funny and you're really good, you're really good at breaking these things, you're really good at breaking these things down.
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But the truth is, if I just picked the first guy they went on a date with, because I've never gone on a date with a weird guy, ever, and I didn't date a lot, but they were my friends and I gave them a chance because they were interested and I didn't want to be rude.
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Didn't you say you were in favor of arranged marriage?
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What if there's no chemistry or the click or the vibe in an arranged marriage?
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This is a different subject, and I actually think that...
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Have you ever had amazing chemistry, amazing vibe, amazing click with a guy who a week, a month, three months, a year down the road was a terrible fucking person and treated you like shit?
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I'm not arguing that connection is what makes a healthy marriage.
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Why can't that just be something that develops?
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The guy who's capable of eliciting the chemistry, the click, the vibe, he can elicit that in all the other women too, so women will overlook the guy who's actually good for them, right, match?
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Because there's not this vague, ethereal, chemistry, click vibe.
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Women will frequently say he was perfect in every way, good looking, you know, physically good looking, body good, face good, good personality, nice, has a job, no red flags, everything.
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But despite this, I still wasn't attracted to him.
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You can't point me to a man who's like, she's beautiful, beautiful.
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She was into me, really into me, really into me, great personality, wonderful personality, big tits, big ass, whatever it is.
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She was a 10 out of 10 in looks, and she had her shit together, and she had a pleasant personality.
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Wait, were you attracted to this guy physically or no?
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There is this trope of women being attracted to, like, the bad boys, the jerks, the assholes.
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Definitely, yeah, that's real because nothing that's too perfect...
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I'm just saying, it's hard to be attracted to something that's too perfect.
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You need a little bit of rough around the edges, and some people don't like that.
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But because it's dynamic, you know, and life is long, and you want to be with someone that's...
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I just mean someone that, you know, will challenge you sometimes.
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And I know you're upset about that because you're saying that's not fair because these
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men are so perfect, and these women still don't feel it.
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But there's a lot of women out there, and there's a lot of men out there, you know.
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Sometimes it's going to work, and sometimes it's not.
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I actually think this is a pathology among women, this attraction to bad boys, jerks,
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So you spend your 20s fucking the jerks, bad boys, assholes.
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And then you ultimately resent him because he can't excite you in the ways that you've
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wired your brain to be excited in all your past relationships.
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And then you end up divorcing him after a couple years.
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So what you're saying is if I'm going, if I go back in time when I'm 18 years old,
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And I was on a date with a friend, a male friend who asked me out and I wanted to see,
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I paid him back for the dinner or I paid for my half or whatever.
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And we kind of remained awkward friends until he drifted away because he didn't really like
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You can't, you obviously can't go back and go select the guy who was perfect in every
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way, but there just wasn't the chemistry, the vibe, you know?
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Also, frankly, I don't even know what that really means.
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Further, it can be something that develops over time.
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And I actually do think that for a lot of people, arranged marriages would be a good
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And no, you're not going to get into a arranged marriage and immediately be attracted to someone.
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I think that it growing is healthy because that connection, connection, sweet, like that
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So let me ask the whole panel here some questions.
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Do you think if a girl had a standard of, I have to fall in love with him within five minutes
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So if we're looking at the spectrum of he's super boring, he's super boring on this end
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and love at first sight on this end, click chemistry vibe within five minutes is somewhere
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So you're, you're getting on the spectrum of just being delusional in your expectations
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of men because you're rejecting men who would otherwise be good partners because they weren't
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That's why you keep ending up with fuck boys and jerks and assholes because the guys who
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are capable of eliciting that, look, there are good guys who can elicit this too.
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This is not a, this is not a precise criticism of her.
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It's just a, it's a more broad generalized statement here.
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So yeah, you guys have this expectation that there's like a click that needs to be instantaneous.
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Well, why, why does there need to be an instantaneous?
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I was more so thinking, I was more so thinking about like a physical attraction.
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So physically attracted, but when I met my husband, he's good looking, he's got a job.
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He treats me well, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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My husband, when I met him, I didn't have that click and attraction.
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I knew him for a year, hardly even platonically.
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So you have a problem with age gap relationships?
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No, I don't have any problem with age gap relationships.
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It's such a man-hating feminist joke that you just made.
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Hey, hey, when your friends say, how's your old man?
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So, I'll just like, I'll do a comparison here in terms of descriptors.
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So, it's like this whole like, but there wasn't the vibe, but he was perfect in every way.
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So, you met a guy who checks all the boxes, tall, handsome, fit, successful, kind, generous, nice, well-adjusted, good personality, emotionally available.
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But there just wasn't the chemistry click vibe.
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If we reverse this, it would be about as r-slurred as me saying, I met a girl who checks all my boxes, who is beautiful, great body, perfect booth, perfect ass, feminine, submissive, kind, nurturing, pleasant.
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I would be delusional to disregard a woman who had all these qualities because there wasn't an immediate click.
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Have you ever gone on a date with a woman and she was gorgeous, nice, sweet, friendly, and then you didn't end up in a relationship with her because you just weren't that interested after the date?
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Have you ever gone on a date with a woman that was pretty great, but you didn't feel it, and then you didn't pursue a relationship?
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So, she was desirous of pursuing a relationship with me.
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Well, if you're on a date, isn't that not what a date is for her?
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Okay, so she was just constantly hitting me up and I was curving her.
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It's literally never happened that I've been on a date.
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Every single girl you've been on a date with that was pleasant and great, you had a relationship with her after you actually pursued it.
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Well, who said that she's not able to reject me?
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Okay, well, there's the typical feminist shame, insults, need-to-be-right-killed stuff.
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But so, you asked me, hold on, you asked me if I've ever been, do you think every date a guy goes on, he's going to close 100% of the dates?
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Do you think a guy can close 100% of the dates he's been on?
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I am sympathetic to the fact that sometimes girls reject guys.
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So, if the girl is interested in me and she has all those criteria, yes, I dated all of them.
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You know, I do think it is too bad, but I think ultimately there should be...
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I like to help talk to women on my channel, on my YouTube channel, once in a while, because mainly my audience is men, because I talk about watches, boring, whatever.
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But sometimes I try to talk to them about what men want in relationships, and I do think rejecting someone just because you don't immediately have a vibe is silly.
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If women in general are doing this, you're using that story as an example of how women are in general.
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Yeah, I mean, I think women should give men more of a chance.
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But, I mean, what are you going to do after some time dating someone and you never have that connection?
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I mean, you just don't marry everyone that you date, even if they're pretty awesome.
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I honestly think it kind of makes sense for women to do that, because if they don't feel the click or whatever attraction trigger right away, what else are they going to do to, like, pursue you and show interest in you and actually, like, carry on the relationship?
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If they're not interested in you in the first place, they're just going to do nothing.
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I mean, women are going to act how they're going to act.
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There's this term called hebristophilia, where women are actually attracted to criminal behavior in men.
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You don't see this manifesting itself nearly to the same degree in men, for example, who are attracted to women, who are drug dealers, or serial killers, et cetera.
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Woman on the panel speaking of the vibe, this is exactly what players do.
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Talk the game, feed you the vibes, and bam, take advantage.
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I literally said to pay for your half the day if it doesn't work.
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Did you learn that from the 96-year-olds you're dating?
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It usually de-escalates people, too, because it's ridiculous.
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Do you have the Pinterest thing or the AZ quote?
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Can I ask you, though, you said that these guys were your friends before.
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And you always knew these guys before you agreed to date.
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So, wouldn't you have already known that there wasn't that romantic vibe?
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Well, that's the thing is, I didn't have that immediate click and connection as we were friends,
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but I still gave it a chance because they were really nice.
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And if sometimes you give something a chance and it doesn't work, I didn't say no immediately.
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I think that's how men and women are different is men, they always, all the women around them,
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they always think, like, yeah, I'd do her, no, I wouldn't do her.
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For me, like, most of my guy friends growing up, I knew, no, I don't want to date any of you guys.
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Like, I don't want to have any of that boundary breaking because I know I wouldn't click with you.
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Do you think that men and women can just genuinely be friends?
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So if you had a girlfriend, would you be okay if she had male friends?
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If you had a girlfriend, and she was great, everything was great between you two, but she had male friends.
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I think when you're married, or, you know, you don't want to be married, it's fine.
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When you're committed to somebody, I think it's okay to have a couple friends, and there's, like, a couple, and you guys can all do stuff together.
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Yeah, but I do also agree that men and women can't really just be genuinely friends.
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It should be AZ quotes when looking for a life partner.
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Isn't she working for Facebook or Yahoo or some shit?
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When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them.
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The bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys, but do not marry them.
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The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands.
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When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner, someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated, and ambitious.
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Someone who values fairness and expects, or even better, wants to do his share in the home.
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These men exist, and trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.
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I don't think you should date all the guys beforehand.
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I mean, that's certainly my disagreement there.
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So you'll date these guys, treat you poorly, whatever, get a bunch of baggage along the way,
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and then you finally settle down with the guy who you actually think is below you, who's out of your league, but he's there.
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Stability, I guess, from your previously extremely chaotic romantic and sex life, and then eventually you divorce him,
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and I think that's basically how that plays out.
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I would never, ever take advice from someone whose life is not the type of life I would want to live.
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But I think not high maintenance in the sense of I need other people to maintain me.
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I take a lot to maintain myself, and I'm not talking about going and getting my nails done.
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I'm talking about just a lot of mental stuff and learning and alone time to ponder things.
02:19:05.200
Well, I've been kind of scouting through your YouTube channel here, and it seems like you talk a lot about having an elegant lifestyle
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and how elegant and great the lifestyle is that you have.
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And then at the same time, you're kind of saying that women shouldn't be brats and shouldn't be so high maintenance,
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but you sure appear like you're kind of high maintenance, to be honest with you.
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My most recent video is prescribing to men and women to become more high maintenance, because I think it weeds out a lot.
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Oh, I thought a second ago you weren't high maintenance, but now we're high maintenance.
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No, I didn't mishear you, because earlier in the conversation with Brian, you said that women need to stop being so high maintenance.
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In fact, one portion of the conversation was specifically about this.
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You might say that, but high maintenance is not the term I use, and the verbiage is important.
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I'm not saying it's not the term you use, but you're still alluding to the same thing.
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Well, being high maintenance, I'm talking about maintaining yourself, which I get into in that video, which I'm sure you're not interested in watching.
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It's totally fine, but I'm not talking about other people having to do a lot to maintain you.
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I'm talking about not being a slob, not being lazy, and by the way, just to clarify, my channel is not showing how elegant I think my lifestyle is.
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It's actually trying to encourage other people to at least embark on a more elegant life,
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and I personally think that will bring people a lot more happiness.
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Oh, it's a very, very long story, and I think that Brian will fall asleep.
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Ben, if you don't know what the Reader's Digest version is, you can take a second to text the 96-year-old guy that you're with.
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He'll tell you what a Reader's Digest is if you don't know what it is.
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But basically, we're taking a long story, and we're going to condense it down so that we all know what it is very quickly.
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I'm 28. I'm not a child. I know what Reader's Digest is, okay?
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Yeah, my husband is extremely intelligent, and he's very... he's not reading Reader's Digest, but whatever.
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Just to summarize, I think that the world has become more and more casual,
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and I think the casualization of society is actually part of the downfall of society.
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And that's why I think elegance, to me, elegance means wholesomeness.
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It means doing things properly, doing things well, caring about the way you speak and treat others,
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That's the way that society can coexist together properly, and we've lost that, largely.
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Is it elegant to argue with a bunch of men on a podcast?
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Andrew, I'm here to help make this show, right?
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And if I'm just sitting here with my mouth shut, it's not entertaining.
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I'm just asking you about the idea of elegance.
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I don't think that the way that I've been explaining myself has been inelegant in any way.
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I don't think elegance means necessarily being silent.
02:22:07.880
Well, I mean, do you think that elegance means articulation or articulance?
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Because I don't think that those are the same words.
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So, yeah, you might have articulated yourself well, but what does that have to do with elegance?
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Elegance, it's basically just the entirety of who you are.
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It's basically good manners and good etiquette combined, and then also just generally carrying yourself in a way that's respectable.
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And I think a lot of people are sloppy, lazy, disgusting, gross, and it's ruining our society.
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And I think it's also, let's be honest, men don't want to be with a woman that's sloppy and gross.
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Most men probably wouldn't want to be with a kind of a prissy person like myself.
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That's fine, because I found somebody that absolutely cherishes it and nurtures that.
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But I do think that elegance doesn't mean having a bad attitude and being snotty.
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It's about being conscientious and being kind and also saying no, having boundaries.
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Because I think being just someone that gets walked all over, that's a low-maintenance person, and that's not elegant.
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And again, I don't want to put everyone to sleep here yapping about it.
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Right, yeah, I tried not to, but then he pursued it.
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It was a lot longer than any Reader's Digest article I've read.
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I haven't really sat there and read Reader's Digest.
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women should dress and behave the way a man wants, obviously within logical reason, to attract a man.
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Then it only makes sense to be someone he wants to be with.
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Some people might take that too far and pretend to be someone they're not.
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It's widely accepted that a woman can change how a man dresses, behaves, domesticate him, etc.
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If you say that the woman should bow, I think she should agree.
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I think it's women, and men can be this way too, but we're talking about women right now.
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If you want to attract a man, you have to do what he wants.
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And sometimes you don't know, but you can listen.
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And that's the thing is, I do think the art of seduction, in a more innocent way, I don't
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mean necessarily in a sexual way, but the art of seduction, I think, does require a woman's
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pursuit, like Andrew was talking about earlier.
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And I think the way that you're dressing and presenting yourself to please him is a way
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that you pursue a man, and it's one of the signals.
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All right, then anyone have objections to her thing?
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Okay, let's see, bringing it to Ashley, not really dating related, I just saw this really
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quickly on your Instagram, you like to talk to people in the sauna?
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Well, yeah, yeah, like, after my workout, I'll go sometimes, or before, and, you know,
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I think it's rude to talk to people in the sauna.
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No, I'm very aware, like, if I'm not going to just talk to everybody, I'm not that person,
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because sometimes I don't want to be talked to, and so I do my cues of, like, I'm in my
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But if people are like, good morning, I'm like, oh, good morning.
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And they're still, you know, I feel like I'm socially aware.
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Last time you were on, I think, what was the big thing that we got into a debate about?
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After watching it and talking to some friends, I want to revert back and say, yes, men are
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actually the main victim in war, and I'm sorry.
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I know you guys were really hurting on that one, but.
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Speaking of which, I'll just ask that question really quickly since you brought it up.
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Just going around the table, who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
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Like a man sacrificing his life for his girlfriend or wife.
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Is that, do you recall us getting into that at all?
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So, I thought we got into that, but maybe that was a different show.
02:27:49.820
You said in your pre-show notes that you're conservative, traditional, but you were extremely
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I was a really bad girl, like, growing up, yeah.
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I got out of that four-year relationship, and it was, like, my first dark relationship,
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abusive relationship, and so I kind of went, like, F it, you know, and I was very far from
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I didn't grow up with God in my life at all, so I had no sense of anything.
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Not in favor of sex outside of marriage, although you have had.
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Yeah, and I see the repercussions and the negative consequences of that.
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I do hear it a lot from a lot of women, some secular, some religious, some newly religious.
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Now they want to wait months or even until marriage to have sex.
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I've always struggled to actually articulate why it bothers me and why it seems a bit unfair,
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and I've used analogies, some fantastic analogies, but I'm still trying to actually figure out,
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It bothers you at all for a woman who's previously promiscuous to actually make an immediate change
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So, no, it not only doesn't bother me, but that's the pathway I'd rather see him go down.
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But I still think I understand the perspective.
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Yeah, I think that from Brian's perspective and from many men who share this view,
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Why is it that I'm not good enough for you, but he was good enough for you?
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Why is it that you refuse to have an intimate relationship with me,
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but would allow yourself to be cheapened by him?
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What sort of person are you that you would think so lowly of me, but think so highly of him?
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And I think that not only is this objection a good objection,
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but it's actually a difficult one to argue with.
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Yeah, so I understand, because that's what I was going to bring up,
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is that you've said, why is it that I have to wait now and kind of take the bullet,
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But that's the same reason why I wouldn't be with someone that's not Christian or not born again,
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because he wouldn't understand it from a spiritual sense of why I'm doing it.
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Well, the religious justifications make a little more sense in my mind,
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but from my point of view, I would still have the same exact feelings,
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but you'll have secular women who are atheists or not religious at all who will say,
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well, in my past 10, 20, 30 sexual encounters, I slept with them instantly or within the first date.
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But then even secular women will make this realization arbitrarily.
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My secondary objection here also is that you immediately internalized this and made it about yourself.
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From the perspective of Brian, from the perspective of men who share that view,
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Do you agree with me that you can understand why it is that they would be like,
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I'm obviously worse than whoever this previous person was.
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And I think that that's why two people should not be unequally yoked and being together.
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I would say that your argument and your feelings are valid.
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And I can't argue against that because it makes sense.
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But if, for example, I dated someone that wasn't Christian.
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When I told him I didn't want to have intercourse with him, whatever.
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He said, you know, I don't really get it, but I respect you.
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You know, but he wasn't looking at it from the same spiritual sense.
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So eventually he got into lust and got frustrated.
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But that's why you can't be unequally yoked because you guys don't have the same foundation.
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No, so I'm not going to date someone that's not Christian.
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It's something we're carrying different burdens.
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So I mean, I object to it less from like if the justification for I was previously casually
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sleeping with a bunch of dudes, but now I'm Christian, the justification there seems
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But there are plenty of secular atheist women who have that experience of I'm just going
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And now you've come along, I'm going to make you wait three months.
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So before I gave my life to Christ, I was an atheist and I went two years after my hose
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I didn't want anybody touching me because I internally knew that was not okay.
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I had no reference to Jesus, no reference to the Bible, but I started to slowly...
02:34:45.400
We know that sleeping around with so many people is not good for pair bonding.
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And so even though people don't know it's because of Jesus, because of God, it's happening
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because we're spiritual beings that we have this...
02:35:00.340
Well, can you help me out with one part of this?
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So when you say post what you call, did you call it hoe phase?
02:35:11.440
So post, I just want to make sure that I'm not straw manning you or insulting you.
02:35:19.620
When you were not a Christian and you were a secularist still, an atheist by your own
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description, how could you make a single justification to Brian as to why you would
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But if you were, then you just said, I want to be celibate because I don't know what reason,
02:35:51.060
What would your actual justification to a man be who said, look, you weren't celibate with
02:35:56.260
It seems like you just maybe don't like me very much because if you did, I would think
02:36:02.540
What would the actual justification for that be?
02:36:06.820
No, you can let her answer though, and then you can add to it.
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I guess I don't have any argument spiritually to back it up, but I mean, I was never in
02:36:21.940
So we're not arguing that you don't have the right, whether you're religious or secular.
02:36:26.720
If you're a woman and you've slept with a hundred men and you slept with all of them
02:36:30.880
within the first 30 minutes, but then you land on guy number 101 and you want to wait
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a year, not even for religious reasons, you're just still an atheist, still secular, but
02:36:40.500
you want to make him wait a year until having a secular marriage to sleep with him, you can
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But as a guy, I can look at that and be like, that's a terrible deal for me.
02:36:55.680
And remember, you brought this back to you again, right?
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You literally told me and you put me in my perspective.
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What I said was think of it through the man's perspective.
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If you were thinking of it through just the man's perspective and you were creating a justification
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to show the man why he was incorrect, why he shouldn't want to desire that, why he should
02:37:24.920
be celibate right along with you, and that that wasn't actually disrespectful, and that
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that wasn't actually because you preferred other guys over him.
02:37:32.800
How would you craft such a justification or an argument without using the prism of my body,
02:37:42.400
They already know that you don't have to have sex with them.
02:37:45.260
So the perspective here is the prism of why is it you won't have sex with me, though,
02:37:50.360
if we're dating, but you would with other people, absent a religious framework, how would
02:38:06.600
I don't know, because the only answer I have is, well, I mean...
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Because to me, it's like, it's either black and white.
02:38:17.160
So it's like, if you're not walking with God, then the only justification is just your feelings
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and your emotions, and that's all forever fleeing.
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I think even away from, okay, let's get away from the Bible, secular, right?
02:38:30.060
Coming back to your argument of your justification of, okay, I feel horrible, like she doesn't
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And not only that, honestly, if I were a guy, I'd kind of be like, okay.
02:38:46.760
But obviously, there was something that happened between from 100 to 101.
02:38:50.880
There wasn't fulfillment in those first 100, probably, realistically.
02:38:54.700
If she's seeing the same thing, and she's jumping from guy to guy to guy to guy, maybe there's
02:38:58.640
a cycle of something that she wasn't being fulfilled.
02:39:01.960
So she's like, okay, I don't need to feel fulfilled in sex anymore.
02:39:05.700
I want to see if they could provide for me spiritually or mentally or anything besides physically,
02:39:10.680
because anyone could go in and have sex with me.
02:39:15.820
And I'm not saying there's an argument, but I could introduce you.
02:39:21.240
So what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to take my shoes off and put yours on.
02:39:28.020
Because I think like you, this is what I think, right?
02:39:32.660
That's the good position to make an argument to a person.
02:39:41.100
You're analyzing what it is that they think and why they think it.
02:39:47.920
So instead of doing that, think of it only from the perspective of Brian.
02:39:53.120
You're trying to step into his shoes and you're utilizing what Brian thinks in order to demonstrate to Brian
02:40:00.040
why it would be perfectly acceptable for you to put him as number two.
02:40:04.120
Forget personal trauma, this and that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:40:07.380
Why, from Brian's perspective, would he be incorrect in feeling that way?
02:40:13.820
It comes down to his choice, too, if that's not something he wants to be a part of.
02:40:26.100
I mean, people are going to be attracted to each other, of course.
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Like, even in me with the situations, I was involved.
02:40:30.860
Of course, yeah, I wanted to have sex with him and everything.
02:40:33.300
And then the guy was like, well, I want to have sex with you, so on and so forth.
02:40:36.920
And I understand exactly where you're coming from.
02:40:40.900
We have that desire to be intimate with someone.
02:40:43.540
And, yeah, it sucks to be maybe that person who's at 101, and then at that point, that's
02:40:51.500
So how do you tell a non-Christian, in this case, Brian, from his perspective, that he shouldn't
02:40:58.200
have those expectations if he's dating a woman who was sleeping with her previous boyfriends?
02:41:04.600
How could you ever justify to them why they shouldn't have that expectation?
02:41:12.560
I mean, you can't really force them to have understanding.
02:41:18.820
And that's why you should never correct men in public, because some of us can't do that.
02:41:23.680
Because some of us can do that, and some of you can't do that.
02:41:27.520
But it's like feelings are feelings and emotions are emotions.
02:41:30.080
It's like, you can't actually give a single justification from his worldview for why it
02:41:37.080
So basically, do you realize what you're doing is you're actually signaling to Brian that
02:41:41.320
it's actually okay for him to have those expectations, because as long as he doesn't share your Christian
02:41:49.880
And he can't even tell him a single reason from his own worldview why he shouldn't.
02:41:53.200
I can't expect him to not be all up in his feelings and think selfishly, like, well, why
02:42:01.620
Oh, but from his perspective, he thinks you're selfish.
02:42:04.940
He thinks you fucked 50 other guys and just not him.
02:42:10.660
But you don't think that, like, you don't think myself, I won't speak for other girls,
02:42:17.880
So we're also sacrificing, but it comes to sacrificing and dying to our flesh, dying to
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Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
02:42:39.020
I think, too, in relationships, if you're pondering on your own relationship.
02:42:46.360
You can juxtapose yourself onto another human being so that you can understand their own
02:42:54.760
But when you do do that, in this case, you find yourself having zero justification for
02:43:00.700
why it is that Brian shouldn't feel that exact way, that he's being rational.
02:43:12.400
External of your own experience, and that is what drives the guys who think like Brian
02:43:18.960
Because they don't understand why you can't tell them that it's incorrect for them to even
02:43:24.580
Because it's rational, and it's reasonable, and it makes complete sense from your own perspective.
02:43:31.860
I'm saying he has, he can feel what he's feeling, and I understand why he's feeling that because
02:43:40.260
So how am I going to justify, okay, let's go back to me being secular and atheist, whatever,
02:43:46.080
and you're telling me to go give him an argument.
02:43:49.100
I don't have that argument because even when I, and I'm trying not to internalize myself,
02:43:53.580
I'm just putting myself back in that spot when I was living that life, it's like, I can't,
02:44:00.820
There's just, there is no argument, but I'm not, I'm not even trying to argue that.
02:44:04.560
Like, he is, you're justified to feel that way, and the girl's also justified to say,
02:44:09.460
I don't want to do this even though I don't know why, and that's it.
02:44:17.800
If you were in a host of a thousand people, and you're asked this question, and you said,
02:44:21.700
there is no justification, he's absolutely correct in feeling that way, and so is she,
02:44:28.460
It's correct from a, hang on, who the hell have you convinced, who the hell have you convinced
02:44:34.340
of your worldview if you say, he's totally rational and reasonable in this worldview,
02:44:43.380
Okay, because how, again, how can I convince a sinner to not sin?
02:44:48.260
And I'm not saying that, like, and I'm just saying, he, he, he, he, I'm sorry, don't you
02:44:55.860
Correct, but, okay, so you want me to bring in Jesus?
02:44:58.620
I can bring in Jesus, but I'm thinking, we're talking about when I'm an atheist or a secular.
02:45:03.700
Like, either way, unless, okay, let's bring it back if I was an atheist secular, okay?
02:45:09.420
It's hard for me to think that, because I'm thinking naturally now, well, it's black and white.
02:45:14.340
I'm a Christian, and I see that we shouldn't be having, I chose not to have sex because
02:45:20.380
of X, Y, and Z, but then Brian, who is, has no desire to follow God or the Bible or anything
02:45:30.760
It's like, well, yeah, I get that, because you're not seeing it from a biblical standpoint
02:45:35.000
or from a spiritual standpoint, because, Brian, I was there, too.
02:45:41.040
So, so then how in the world, so what you're actually saying to me, I just want, I want
02:45:46.320
You're saying to me, absent you adopting my worldview, I cannot convince you of anything.
02:45:57.340
You're saying, absent Brian adopting your worldview as being true, you can't actually convince
02:46:07.400
That comment, you can't convince anyone, the Holy Spirit does.
02:46:15.340
Okay, well, can the Holy Spirit go ahead and convince Brian right now, then, through you?
02:46:23.260
Well, then go ahead and convince Brian through the Holy Spirit.
02:46:27.020
Brian, are you fulfilled right now, with your life, with having sex with multiple women,
02:46:48.060
Because here's the thing, with the Holy Spirit, it's, I just have to ask questions, and the
02:47:04.160
So you can't say for certain that that girl that you're having...
02:47:39.080
Right, but we're talking about, like, this whole trope of women who previously were kind
02:47:48.640
Remember, you were going to convince him through the Holy Spirit, right?
02:47:55.180
You were going to convince him through the Holy Spirit?
02:47:56.840
I'm waiting for the convincing through the Holy Spirit.
02:48:07.400
So, they're convinced by the belief in your worldview.
02:48:12.380
Because some people I've talked to, they don't have that conviction of, like, oh, I don't feel
02:48:16.660
the need to wait until marriage to have sex, and that's their conviction.
02:48:20.200
I'm not going to sit there and try to convince them.
02:48:22.260
I could give them my point of view, and then that's it.
02:48:24.360
But I'm not going to sit there and try to, like, convince them.
02:48:27.160
Can you convince Brian through the Holy Spirit real quick, or no?
02:48:32.200
Isn't the whole point of faith, though, to come to the revelation on your own, not to
02:48:39.280
So, the reason I bring this up is, do I agree with you that all glory should always go to
02:48:46.860
Do I agree with you that the Holy Spirit can move through people?
02:48:52.180
But the thing is, is that, am I convinced that it's moving through you, a female minister?
02:49:01.780
Could you even make a compelling argument from the opposition's worldview?
02:49:08.580
I'm left, logically, with only two assumptions here.
02:49:12.140
Either, one, the Holy Spirit just really hates Brian, or B, perhaps your assumption that
02:49:18.380
the Holy Spirit moves through you in order to convince people and does it adequately is
02:49:31.140
She is now recommitted to marriage, and she's...
02:49:36.860
She's seen my life before how I was, and now how I am.
02:49:43.420
Maybe I'm not called to be a witness like that when it comes to the situation for him.
02:49:51.400
Couldn't somebody else who was a secularist, who was not religious in any way, shape, or form,
02:49:56.420
do all of the exact actions that you have done, and not believe in God and Jesus Christ at all.
02:50:06.140
Okay, well, then I don't understand how that's an example that you can give to say that...
02:50:11.020
Well, you're saying that the Holy Spirit's not working through me.
02:50:13.160
You'll know, you'll only know through my actions when in fact...
02:50:17.620
What I'm saying is that you're saying that the Holy Spirit isn't working through me.
02:50:24.840
I'm not making the claim that the Holy Spirit isn't working through you.
02:50:28.700
I'm just asking you that if you are to say, I cannot convince anybody.
02:50:34.500
It's the Holy Spirit who convinces people, and I'm drawing on that power, right?
02:50:41.520
Now's your great chance and opportunity to draw on this power.
02:50:45.240
We don't throw pearls to swine when someone's not open or receptive.
02:50:51.640
Do you think that that means that if somebody is open and is willing to listen to your actual arguments
02:50:56.980
and you're right in front of them and they're willing to be convinced that that's casting pearls to swine?
02:51:03.180
No, but he's also just very cut off and not even caring to answer my question.
02:51:09.720
Oh, well, I guess the Holy Spirit is a very powerful if you can't break down this minute barrier.
02:51:16.040
I want to add just to, so I can speak for some things.
02:51:22.100
Like you said, you're like convince him through the Holy Spirit right now.
02:51:25.100
The Holy Spirit's not some genie in a bottle too, and I think that's where we have to understand that.
02:51:29.160
Oh, I agree, which is why it was an ill choice of words.
02:51:33.180
The ill choice of words is saying a genie in a bottle?
02:51:35.860
No, to make the kind of bold claim that the Holy Spirit through her is convincing people of anything.
02:51:41.700
How do we know it's not just her trying to convince people?
02:51:59.240
That's a great comment, meaning you agree with the comment?
02:52:03.780
There is some, but it wasn't coming out of pridefulness.
02:52:07.880
It sure sounds like it's coming from a place of pride.
02:52:09.940
Okay, I understand you're trying to do this whole content thing, but I think there's a fine line with like a blasphemy of like the Holy Spirit, but it's true because the Holy Spirit does work through people and our actions, our testimonies and all the things.
02:52:26.160
And so for you to say, like, how am I so sure the Holy Spirit is working?
02:52:32.320
I mean, I think the Holy Spirit can work in all of us as truly Spirit-filled, and I do believe I'm Spirit-filled and not out of pride, but just out of my faith in Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
02:52:43.600
And yet, when the time comes for you to do the convincing.
02:52:47.620
But the Holy Spirit also tells you when to pause, when to stop, and when to go.
02:52:52.440
And so it's not always just go and listen to fools.
02:52:55.460
What it's telling you now is the Holy Spirit telling you to go ahead and pause.
02:53:02.120
He's telling me because this is, it's, it's, he's not receptive.
02:53:13.540
Well, let me tell you a lot of flack that a guy like Brian gets is when he says publicly things like, look, I'm actually considering going to an Orthodox church.
02:53:22.960
And I'm considering doing this because I heard convincing arguments from this guy over here.
02:53:28.960
Now, the thing that's interesting about that is that you claim that this is all performative.
02:53:34.320
And yet it would be far easier for Brian to continue to just say, no, if it was just purely performative.
02:53:45.780
These are real conversations, which influence tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people.
02:53:50.920
And I think it's a massive cop out to just go, well, because of the performance aspect of this, this means nobody's influenced.
02:53:59.080
But it's just like, for me to try to convince Brian on why it's okay to be that 101 person, right?
02:54:10.000
It's like, I can't because he's coming from a standpoint from that is...
02:54:19.800
I want you to think again about what you're saying.
02:54:21.620
You're saying I can't not convince a person who does not accept my worldview.
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So the first conversation is about, like, women who are strumpets.
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And then they don't want to be strumpets anymore with you as a guy, whether for religious reasons or not for religious reasons.
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Is your advocacy really, though, that men, from your worldview, from a Christian worldview, need to marry women with a high body count?
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I thought you said the guy should accept being number 101 and waiting.
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If you were equally yoked, then wouldn't you be marrying a guy with a high body count?
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We have different foundations on what even verses mean.
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Would you advise a guy to marry a woman who's Christian, but who has a body count of over 100?
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That's not my place to tell him who or how many body counts.
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As the secular man at the table, let me give you Christian men some advice.
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But men do not need to then disregard their baggage and marry them.
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This is perfectly compatible even within the Christian worldview.
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Nothing would compel a Christian man to have to date a woman, even if she's redeemed, to date her.
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Because she fucked 100 dudes before she was Christian.
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Well, that's scripturally incorrect because basically, according to scripture, you're a new creation.
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So therefore, what that means when you get baptized is actually you're born again.
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So if God doesn't hold on to your previous sin...
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Like, for me, as a Christian woman, if I end up, like, a guy's pursuing me, and he has
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a high body count, and we both have the same beliefs, we're equally young, like, I'm not
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And I think, like, you're kind of saying, like, the guy, it could be, oh, he has to forgive
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So you're saying Christian are not allowed to have any standards or boundaries?
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If you're truly born again, and you have the spirit working in you, you will transform.
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So you're saying that a Christian, a Christian man, or a Christian woman, is obliged to date
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Let's call those guys who reformed over to Christianity and let them out of the fucking...
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We better let them all out of prison, Brian, because they're reformed.
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Whatever they did in the past, it doesn't matter anymore.
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I have many ex-gang members in my church, actually, that they are no longer doing the things that
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I'm actually standing for you and saying, no, you don't have to date her.
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We're just trying to have to, like, disagree for content.
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But when I said, men do not need to then disregard their baggage and marry them, y'all were like,
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No, they were just saying that Christians were probably...
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Yes, your sins are washed away, but the consequences of them are not.
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And there are worldly consequences to the things that you do.
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This idea of born-again virgin is complete prattle.
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You guys brought up the born-again virgin as, like, a joke or whatever, but, like, spiritually,
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Anything that I've done here, none of us have referenced that.
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Sexually, any drugs I took in the past, anything that I was involved with, it's not in my
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And so, if a man, a Christian man, a Christian man were to come to my life and look at my
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past and be like, oh, yeah, you know, you do have the fruits of the Spirit now.
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I would dare to argue that that's not a true Christian man.
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Why don't you go ahead and try to justify why it is that a man...
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A man has held his entire life celibate, let's say.
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And he wants to get married and have a nice family.
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And he goes to you and he finds out that you fucked 100 dudes and you're on camera getting
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I'm saying for the purpose of the hypothetical.
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They're having a great time with you, let's say, in this hypothetical.
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Because he says, look, I don't want to marry a woman who has that background?
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But I would say someone that's equally yoked as I, because I could date an ex-gang member
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that's been with X, Y, and Z, and probably even has a daughter or a son, because we're
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We have a future and hope in Christ that the past is the past, and the Holy Spirit has the
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ability to redeem you and to transform your minds, your habits, everything, and so...
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But if I, if me, I'm like, you know what, I don't want to be with him because of X, Y,
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Well, let's back up and see if this actually logically pans out here.
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Let's assume that this man is with you and doesn't know anything about your past.
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He thinks you're great in every conceivable way.
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He knows for sure that you are pious, that you love the Lord, and he loves the Lord as
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Then one day, he's scrolling on YouTube, and he finds a, you know, just a, or not YouTube,
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but wherever, and there's a picture that pops up.
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Maybe somebody DMs it to him, and it shows you getting gang-banged by 50 guys.
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And he goes to you, and he's like, look, honey, yes, I agree that you're a Christian.
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I agree that spiritually, you are epic, but I do not want to marry a woman who has been
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But what I'm saying is that even in that situation, which is not true, I would like to think that
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To all of you out there in the whatever land, I'm not claiming that this actually happened.
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Yeah, but I still beg to argue that a Christian man that's really, understands the gospel and
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Jesus and what he brings us from, that people can look past that.
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I'm not saying all Christian men will, but there's Christian men that will look past a gang-banged.
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There's secular men who would look past it too.
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But the point here is not whether or not they would look past it.
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The point here is whether or not it's unchristian of them not to.
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I guess it would, I don't, I don't, it's hard for me to say it's unchristian.
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I don't like that I said that earlier, that, oh, he's not a Christian man, so I'm going to take that back.
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But I would say, like, it's kind of like the whole, I don't know.
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But I just know that it's hard for me to think, like, if I'm looking even at a potential husband and I look at him for his past, that it's not my flesh talking and not the spirit talking.
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Like, it's just, if I really, if I'm really understanding what the, who the Holy Spirit is and Jesus and being born again, it's like saying, I don't want anything to do with you because of what you did 10 years ago.
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It's like, it kind of brings, diminishes the power of the Holy Spirit and what he's done and the whole point of the gospel.
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He's not refuting your salvation at all and is encouraging you on your pathway towards it.
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That does not mean that this man should in any way, shape, or form stay with you, even if he loved you, based on the consequences which are current to your past.
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And this is, the reason I bring this up specifically, and then you can comment on it.
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The reason I bring this up specifically is because I need you to know that there are women everywhere who are trying to make the religion of Christianity perverse and what I call a whore haven.
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It should be a place for prostitutes to become reformed.
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But it should not be a place for prostitutes to become reformed only because they believe that it will shield them from criticism and that suddenly their past will no longer matter.
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That is an absurdity and that is a trend which is happening.
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And I believe that the exact type of gospel that you're expounding on here is pushing people more towards that than would be pushing people more towards reason and an actual relationship with the Lord.
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Oh, my whole question was just going to be this.
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If we're talking about a hypothetical situation of forgiveness, wouldn't you want to be forgiven for the things that you've done in your past?
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Therefore, if you have a look at the greatest commandment, one of them is to love others as you love yourself.
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The chief of all sinners is sitting right here.
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Thank the Lord that forgiveness is available for somebody like me.
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Hey, I'm still not marrying one of you fucking whores, right?
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What I'm saying is, from the perspective of a Christian man who says that, what the hell would be the problem with that?
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Well, my question then, in the Bible as well, there's the scripture about that gentleman that was actually forced to marry a prostitute.
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And he literally was called to marry a prostitute.
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So, I'm just curious as to what your perspective would be on something like that, if you're saying that there's no obligation.
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Like, there could be a specific case where, via divine command, you were called to marry a prostitute.
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I'm most certain that such a thing could occur.
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That has no bearing at all on whether or not it would be unchristian for a man who is devout, who comes across you and knows that you're devout, but still knows the consequence of your past.
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Like, for instance, what if you had four kids from your past?
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But does that mean that he has to deal with your four kids from other dads because your sins are washed clean?
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I don't think anyone's prefaced this with obligation, but I definitely agree with what you're saying.
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I'm just asking hypotheticals in return for your opinion on them, but I definitely don't think there's any obligation in any capacity.
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It's possible you can have a divine command within the realm of logical possibility for all sorts of things.
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But whether or not this is so doesn't mean that it would be unchristian for a man who is a devout Christian to push him towards marrying outside of his preference.
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And in this case, for a low body count or for a woman who has been chased, what in the world would be wrong with that?
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I think that no one should be pressured or forced into marrying someone.
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Sure, he doesn't want her as a wife, but what if he were to say, yeah, she's still, she was a slut 10 years ago, then I still see her as a slut.
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No, you can't, just because of what you did 10 years ago, that doesn't mean you're still that today because you are a new creation.
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Listen, you're not what you were, you're not what you were, but the consequence of what you were does follow you.
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If you were a serial killer and then you become a devout Christian, can I concede that there's a possibility you could have salvation?
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Of course, but that doesn't mean I'm letting you out of prison.
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And if you're a chick who has 10 baby daddies, right, that doesn't mean that a man is obligated or in any way to look past that because he's a Christian.
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You certainly agree that that has to be true, right?
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Well, then with Brian, back to Brian, we're going to circle this all the way back, right?
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How in the world, then, could you ever tell him that his preference for, but I fucked the guy right before you, I just won't do it with you, wouldn't have the meaning to him that essentially you thought he was lesser than the guy before him?
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Look, I'll give you guys a couple analogies here.
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So, this would be this whole, like, the girl, oh, all the pre...
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And we actually, we've had girls come on the show and say this.
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Recently, we had a girl say she was doing, she was going to Europe a bunch, having fun in Europe, traveling in Europe.
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And when she was in Europe, she had no qualms at all about sleeping with a guy within 30 minutes of meeting him.
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But then she's like, well, now that I'm back home, I'm going to wait, like, a month, two months, three months before I have sex with a guy.
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Totally arbitrary, no actual reason, just arbitrary because she thinks that that will make her more likely to get a guy to commit to her, which actually isn't the case at all.
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The girl saying, well, all the previous guys hooked up with them fast, but you, I want to wait.
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So, of course, I bought them expensive things and I took them to the best dining places and I even paid their bills.
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I actually see you as a potential girlfriend, wife.
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Everyone is paying $1 for a fancy T-bone steak.
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And then when it's finally your turn, you're informed all they have left is a McDonald's burger.
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Well, it's kind of like a rebuttal from that, what you said.
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So, you're saying that hypothetically your interpretation of if a woman is interested in you is if they have sex with you.
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Because if they had sex with other people and they're not having sex with you, that means that your value is potentially diminished.
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But why are you placing emphasis on your value being through sexual intimacy?
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Why couldn't it be that your value is actually placed in the fact that this woman is going, hey, I've done this so many times with so many other people.
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And I don't want to do that because I think that there's something about you that is different from everyone else.
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I want to get to know you for you because sex places a false sense of intimacy with someone where if you take sex away, you actually get to know the person for their truest essence.
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So, why wouldn't you be more special because she's not just sleeping with you, but she's actually going, hey, wait a minute.
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I want to cherish that, champion that, and nurture that.
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So, first off, that was actually Andrew's argument, not mine because I deferred to him on his response.
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Well, then, to repeat the question, I'm not going to repeat it, but you heard the question.
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Why is the interpretation that value is placed on the sexual intimacy and why isn't it built on a different type of foundation?
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And why does that diminish the man as being special because a woman doesn't want to do that with him?
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Well, wouldn't this defer to just cultural relativism?
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So, let me tell you a story about the cum warriors of Papua New Guinea.
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I'm going to explain this to you and God help all of us as I do it.
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This is the peacecraft argument for the cum warriors of Papua New Guinea.
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Now, there exists a tribe in Papua New Guinea where all of the young boys have a specific job to do to become men.
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The thing is, is that when it comes to this particular tribe, the interesting phenomenon here is that there doesn't seem to be any tribe from these young men.
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What if a guy with a past of SA women is now born on Gion?
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Would it be unchristian of you to not want to be with them?
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Like, I wouldn't date someone that was a petty, you know?
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Although, that doesn't mean that I don't believe that God has the ability to change him and that he can have a completely different life.
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But yeah, that wouldn't be my preference to go date.
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So, what it reduces to is what's called cultural relativism.
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So, if there's no trauma for these young men who have to do this ghastly deed, and they have to do it on a daily basis, by the way.
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Can you explain to me how you would go in there if they say, I love doing this.
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And explain to them why it would be wrong for them to do that.
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Well, I guess my rebuttal to that would be we're not talking about people in Papua New Guinea.
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The context of what we're talking about is people in the West, and we're talking about this new age of sex culture.
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So, how would you convince them that what was going on was wrong?
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Well, to be honest with you, unless there was a necessity.
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Yeah, I think it's kind of a null and void argument, to be honest with you, because I don't understand.
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If you were trying to spread Christianity to them.
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Well, I never said that I was trying to spread Christianity.
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When out of one side of your mouth you say that, to Brian, cultural relativism doesn't matter, yet he lives in a culture where promiscuity is absolutely heralded as being absolutely fine.
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Everything from feminism to what is now the modern-day pickup community says that this type of promiscuity is absolutely fine.
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And yet, when I give you an example of the most ghastly of deeds being culturally relativized down to your own prism, you couldn't give me a single argument for how you would tell the tribe that they probably shouldn't let this occur?
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The only way that I could potentially see of going about that is, again, you'd just have to create a new culture.
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You'd have to educate people on what your perception of sex is, what healthy sexuality is.
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It would start on an individual basis of saying, how do you feel about this?
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Well, then educating that there's an alternative solution.
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I think if you can tell people that there's another way to do things, if they accept that, like this.
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We're saying you don't have to do things this way.
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There is an opposite way if you take that choice.
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But your initial argument was, why isn't your worldview grounded on something besides?
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So, what I did was I gave you a worldview, which was not grounded on this thing, which instead was grounded on that particular culture.
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And so, now you know that different worldviews can be grounded just based around the culture that they're in.
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But, again, I think from my perspective to change, I never knew that there was another way.
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And to have sexual intimacy, when I was educated that there was another option, I took that.
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So, I think it comes down to, again, if you have the capacity to educate people in a way that says it.
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Well, why don't you go ahead and I just can't wait to hear you educate Brian.
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So, if Brian has a chick who is on birth control, right, and they are in a committed relationship, okay, they're in a committed relationship, meaning they're not sleeping with anybody except each other.
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And they plow each other every single day in the craziest positions you can think of.
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He's having a good time with this, let's say, in this hypothetical.
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I think, again, the reason why I would talk about this is it would be a – it's a great question.
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The reason as to why I would wonder – it's a complex one.
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I would say, do you believe – so, if I was doing this legitimately with someone –
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So, if I was legitimately doing this with someone, the process that I would take is I would ask, do you see that there is a problem to begin with?
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They're in a committed relationship, just the two of them.
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And he is just having the time of his life, and so is she.
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Can't wait to hear the argument for why what he's doing is wrong.
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I think this is 100% personal, and you asked me what my argument would be as to why I think it's wrong.
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So, it has to come from a personal perspective.
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I believe that every single person, and I don't care how corny this is, is precious and treasured.
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And according to my faith, I believe that doing something in accordance of a marriage is something that should be protected and championed, and it's not in the context of casual relationships.
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I don't believe that you should ever have sex as a form of the basis of your intimacy.
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I don't think that you should see a woman as this thing that you can just pursue, and the way to love her is just to have sex with her.
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I think that every woman is extraordinary and special, and her body is one of the most precious things, and the pressure.
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He actually agrees, let's say, with everything you just said, that absolutely, a woman's body is her temple.
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She's a goddess, and she thinks he's a king, and they're having a problem.
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And they're just smashing every single morning, afternoon, and night, and they just adore each other.
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Tell me what this argument is for what it is that they shouldn't do that.
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If he's not living his life, I mean, for me, as a Christian woman, if I'm living my life according to the Bible, and I have those standards, those are my standards.
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If he's not lining up his life to want to have it lined up to the Bible, then he doesn't think it's wrong.
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If he's not living a life according to the Bible, you can't force him to see our perspective.
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If you don't have the spirit, you're not going to have conviction.
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So just to bring it back to this whole thing of, well, okay, what I had said previously was, we had a woman who came on the show, and she was traveling in Europe, and she had no qualms at all with just sleeping with men, multiple men, within minutes or hours of meeting them.
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Oh, now, okay, you know, two totally different viewpoints on this.
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Now that I'm back home, I'm going to make men wait one month, two months, three months.
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And then two weeks after she has this new standard, she goes on a trip to Vegas.
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She fucks a guy within 30 minutes of meeting him.
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I want to talk about this trope of, oh, women having, like, this double standard of the conduct towards men, and your argument essentially was, well, what if it's about that she really thinks the guy is really special, and she, you know, wants to value herself?
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Well, for your specific situation, I would say that it's a challenge of her identity, because clearly that she falls back on her morals and principles, because she says that I'm going to do this, and then I do that, and then I do this.
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So it would be a deeper conversation to have with this girl, hypothetically, on what is your identity, what are your morals, values, and principles, because clearly when you go somewhere else, you default on them, so that person actually doesn't have a lot of integrity, would be the analysis of this person.
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No, I don't think it has anything to do with that.
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No, I just think it's this totally arbitrary thing.
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It's like, okay, I'm just going to hook up with guys.
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And I don't really care about it from that perspective.
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The perspective is, once again, to bring it back, to the male perspective of, that's bullshit.
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So I'm going to feel a certain type of way about that, and because of that, I may or may not feel like you're worthy of waiting for.
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The perspective is, is she worth waiting for, and it seems evident to me, if she has this sort of two different standards that are occurring at the same time, that, no, she's not worth waiting for.
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It's one thing if it's always been your standard, and you've had three long-term relationships, and you made all of them late.
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But if you've had ten casual hookups, and you slept with them all really quickly, and now you're coming to me, and you want a long-term relationship with me,
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and I have, me personally, I have no inclinations towards waiting weeks or months to have sex.
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I'm going to look at that and feel like that's a bullshit proposition.
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But I just don't understand the logic of, because you were saying, well, like, you're kind of, it's like, they reward the fuckboys who never give them commitment with immediate sex,
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and punish the guys worthy of a relationship by making them wait weeks, months, or even until marriage.
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I think the reason why women do that is, again, there's a need for validation.
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And so if a guy is distant, if he's cold, if he's backing off, a woman therefore wants him,
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which is why these F boys seem to get the reward, because they need to seek that validation and that reward of knowing,
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oh, they like me, they slept with me, even though they're hot and cold.
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Where, when they have the more solidified yes from a guy that's pursuing them, that's into them,
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it's this weird psychology, which comes back to identity, I think, of, I know he's there, but that doesn't fulfill that void of validation.
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So the girls are giving sex to the guys who are the least deserving.
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They're giving sex to the guys who are probably, by their own estimation, the least deserving of it.
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They're not treating them well, et cetera, et cetera.
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And then the guys who are treating them well, well, we're going to wait.
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And also, too, it even comes from a perspective of what was there, for me, what did you see growing up?
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If all they seen was maybe their parents or their aunts, uncles, whoever it was, get into those type of relationships,
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and they're like, okay, I want to be in these type of relationships, too.
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It honestly goes back to the way you grew up, too.
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If you're around something so often, you're going to attract that as well.
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Versus if I was never taught, I didn't grow up in a happy household where my parents got along and all that stuff.
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So it's like, if I grew up seeing that, I'm like, okay, that's what I deserve, too.
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If I never seen what an actual healthy relationship's supposed to look like, I'm probably not going to be attracted to that.
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Yeah, like we said, it sucks that us women, sometimes we want to go after the bad boys.
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We want that validation, and it comes back to that fulfillment.
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It comes back to what all we've seen all our life.
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If I grew up 15 years seeing that type of relationship, realistically, I'm probably going to get into that relationship until I'm introduced to something new.
03:25:17.940
And if a man says, okay, I'm not going to wait for you.
03:25:26.140
It's not that hard, like, for me, at least in my perspective.
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It's if he doesn't want to be with me, okay, cool, awesome.
03:25:38.020
No, he does want to be with you, but you're essentially extending to him very different treatment than the way you've treated.
03:25:44.920
This is something I've experienced with women I've dated myself.
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They'll be like, oh, I want to wait, I want to wait, but they otherwise seem interested in me.
03:25:52.900
And then if I just do even, like, a base level of, like, questioning, have you ever had a one-night stand?
03:26:04.100
And it's just, like, this really weird, look, it's her call.
03:26:09.420
But I'm going to start feeling like you're playing a game with me.
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And it just doesn't, like, you're just playing a game.
03:26:16.480
You're trying to leverage sex to get something from me or get commitment.
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And then I'm like, I just start losing interest because I'm like, okay, she's not interested, so I'm not interested then.
03:26:26.880
Maybe I'll stick around a bit and have sex with her.
03:26:29.120
But once a girl's already started playing that game, I'm just already losing interest.
03:26:34.380
These girls think, oh, if I make him wait, he'll respect me more.
03:26:37.460
Well, not really because we actually, in my experience, all the long-term relationships I've had, we had sex first, second date.
03:26:50.240
No, I wasn't going to say that, but do you feel from what you're saying, if the girl, I know that she's had sex with other people, and then she's saying with me she hasn't, we get to the third, fourth date, she still doesn't.
03:26:59.420
What that could potentially say is that's hitting a nerve for you.
03:27:02.240
So wouldn't you prefer to look internally and say, why does that actually annoy me?
03:27:06.140
Is it because there's an insecurity within me that that brings up?
03:27:09.400
And so when a girl doesn't, I feel that she has to have sex with me to validate something within me.
03:27:14.540
So wouldn't you prefer to internally look at why that bugs you instead of necessarily analyzing why the girl's not sleeping with you?
03:27:20.920
And I think it's because men and women see sex differently.
03:27:31.080
So you're saying the girl fucked 10 other dudes on the first night, and then she wants me to wait four dates, five dates, six dates, seven dates.
03:27:42.760
It annoys me, not because I feel insecure, but she's clearly playing a game, and she has actually no, you know, there's no, it's just a totally arbitrary decision on her end.
03:27:56.860
Let me make the dude wait, even though she has no actual qualms with fucking quickly.
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A girl will do this, the men will be annoyed by it, and then she'll just meet the next guy and fuck him immediately.
03:28:10.560
So that has absolutely nothing to do with her standards.
03:28:14.720
You're trying to leverage sex to get compliance from men in some sort of way.
03:28:19.520
And so it's just, it doesn't frustrate me because I'm, oh, I'm rejected.
03:28:25.120
Yeah, and there are women who do play those games.
03:28:27.920
It has nothing to do with your values, and it's just a totally different treatment.
03:28:32.020
And like, how are you going to say you want a long-term relationship with me?
03:28:36.820
All those other guys, they just, they weren't worthy of a relationship with you, but you gave them pussy, and I'm the one who's worthy of a relationship, but you don't want to have sex with me?
03:28:52.260
In that situation, I feel like it's true, but say she does have like this big switch and regrets her past promiscuity or whatever, and she wants to like wait.
03:29:06.860
Yeah, but I think like women like that, they have their reasons, they just don't know how to tell you without making you feel like shitty.
03:29:13.500
As in like, oh, they want to just make sure you're a good guy because they don't just want to, they're just afraid of like adding a body to their body count.
03:29:21.000
So, I mean, look, on one hand, yes, it's better to change than to continue in your degenerate promiscuity, but expecting a new relationship partner to accept less than previous partners got while asking them to put in more than previous partners put in, I think is unacceptable.
03:29:38.140
I think that's even where the first problem is too, you're bringing your past relationships into your new relationship.
03:29:43.480
Yeah, there's going to be times where you talk about your past relationships, but if you're so caught up on my past relationships, like if you're so caught up on it and you don't feel like this relationship is going to work for you or you feel like I'm leveraging this stuff on you, like she said, there is a switch for some people and then there are women who use it as a leverage.
03:30:01.700
And I can't fend for them because I, I, I don't know, but like, you can't really sit here and be like, well, she had all this body count and I'm, or not, I don't want to say that you said you're less, but you can't fathom or wrap your head around, around it.
03:30:19.180
But at the end of the day, like, if you don't, if you don't want that, then continue.
03:30:27.320
You've been in a situation ship with a guy for six months.
03:30:31.320
You want him to commit to you, but he says he likes to take things slow.
03:30:35.540
Somehow you find out that the last three girls he had a committed relationship with, he initiated the commitment conversation after only three weeks of dating.
03:30:52.440
The last, the next one is you said he didn't have that conversation until after three weeks, like saying he wants to take things slow.
03:30:58.140
What do you, like, not understanding about it or?
03:31:03.640
No, he said that he wants to take things slow, but then you learn that his previous relationships he moved faster with, but he lied to you saying, I like to go slow, when his history shows that he does not like to go slow.
03:31:19.340
I mean, I would hope he had learned something from one relationship to the next, and if it doesn't, it's just going to be revealed.
03:31:25.320
And then you make that decision if you want to.
03:31:27.420
Wouldn't you feel a little shortchanged, though?
03:31:29.520
I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm going to feel some type of way, but I'm not going to sit there and cry about it and be like, oh, my gosh, he lied to me.
03:31:37.160
Yeah, okay, if he lied to me and this is something I'm not interested in and he lied to me, he already broke that trust.
03:31:44.940
There's been no changes at all to his financial standing.
03:31:49.360
You find out that a man you've been on a date with and he took you to, he didn't pick you up, made you take the bus, you met him at McDonald's.
03:31:58.940
You find out that all his previous dates, he took them to three-star Michelin restaurants, paid for the whole date, but he took you to McDonald's and he had you split.
03:32:07.080
But he only did that because, you know, he thinks you're the one, like, you're worth, like, waiting for.
03:32:17.800
That's the only reason, because he thinks you're worth waiting for?
03:32:20.900
Yeah, like, he's, like, all, like, all the other girls, they didn't matter.
03:32:25.560
Like, they were just flings, they were just friends with benefits, and he bought them gifts, he took them on trips, he provided, he paid for first dates, roses, etc.
03:32:34.680
But now, you're, you're the girl that he wants to be in a long-term relationship with.
03:32:41.160
But because of that, you don't get any of those benefits that the previous women got, you know, just the girls that really didn't matter.
03:32:51.240
You don't get flowers, you don't get dates, you don't get trips, but you're, you're the, the girl who's worthy of a long-term relationship.
03:33:01.860
Are you just talking about in the initial dating phase?
03:33:04.680
Oh, no, just, just an arbitrary, you know, could be three months until he starts to do some of those nice things for you.
03:33:11.940
Well, why would that potentially be a negative?
03:33:13.780
If the only reason, the specific only reason that he's doing that is because he feels like you're the one, and he's waiting to show those things,
03:33:19.820
because maybe in the past he's done that too quickly with people that didn't matter, wouldn't that be a positive?
03:33:24.040
In what, in what world does providing to that level with a woman tend to negatively impact his odds of having a long-term relationship with her?
03:33:42.040
Yeah, I was going to say, how many women use men for that type of crap and then go on to the next one?
03:33:51.400
Why would it be wrong for a woman to feel like, oh, he took all, he cared about these past girls way more.
03:34:03.740
I feel like, why is he doing all that shit for girls he claims he didn't give a fuck about?
03:34:08.620
Why is he doing all that stuff for these hookups and girls he doesn't care about?
03:34:16.400
I'm the girl that he says that he's serious about, and he wants more, and he wants it to have more meaning, and he wants a relationship.
03:34:25.900
Well, obviously, he respects her as being a boss babe.
03:34:30.640
I think it's just already kind of, like I said before, like bringing in those past relationships and how you treat other women.
03:34:37.340
Yeah, but you don't think, like, if you girls found out that a guy you're dating, he never takes you on dates, never does romantic shit, but he's your boyfriend.
03:34:47.660
He tells you he's a, he adores you and cares so much about you, and you're better than all the other girls he's dated in the past.
03:34:53.680
But you find out that he did all that stuff for girls that were just casual sex, hookups, sneaky links, and he says, I didn't really care, you know, they were just fuck girls, whatever.
03:35:07.420
Like, why was he giving these other girls who he used to date all this good treatment, gifts, vacations, dinner, et cetera?
03:35:20.760
Yeah, and after a while, like she said, like, is it just the beginning phase?
03:35:23.380
Like, if it's that beginning phase, cool, awesome.
03:35:25.840
And that's where healthy communication comes in.
03:35:27.540
And it's like, hey, like, you know what, to spend time with each other, I'd like to go out to dinner, expressing that, too.
03:35:37.560
I feel like a simple answer to this as comparison is the thief of joy.
03:35:42.620
If you keep comparing, you're just going to have your joy taken from you.
03:35:46.280
Yeah, you should never bring in your past relationship.
03:35:48.400
You're telling me as a woman, if you were dating a guy and he never did anything romantic, he never took you out on a date...
03:35:58.380
Fine, comparison is the thief of joy or whatever.
03:36:01.200
You're telling me as a woman, if you knew, you knew verifiably that he did all these things for girls he claims he didn't care about, but he's dating you, he wants long-term with you, never takes you on dates, just a homebody, you just chill, Netflix and chill, whatever.
03:36:23.600
Because why did all the previous women get this good treatment, but I don't.
03:36:29.220
I even think, too, my validation doesn't come in the things he does for me.
03:36:32.580
It's the way he treats me in a sense of how he provides for me spiritually, emotionally.
03:36:36.760
Yeah, and I get where you're coming from, feeling some type of way about the way he's treating you.
03:36:45.460
Yeah, no, you ask and he says, no, I want to wait a couple months.
03:36:51.520
Yeah, I want to wait a couple months to be a provider and to take you out on romantic dates.
03:36:55.920
Let's just keep things, you know, like let's not, you know, do dates at all.
03:37:25.300
The male comparison of like, just to put it into your heads, like how you might feel if
03:37:31.080
you found out that an ex or even like a casual fling that he had got this like amazing treatment
03:37:38.180
from him and you as the girl he claims to really care about and want something long term,
03:37:54.280
I think providing, protecting, I don't know, but.
03:37:58.820
Until we're married, you can just protect for your, you can protect yourself.
03:38:05.480
Like, he can't, he has to show that he cares in a different way then, I guess.
03:38:10.100
I think his point is he's not showing that he cares at all.
03:38:13.900
Because that's the counterpoint of like for women it's withholding sex, for men it's withholding
03:38:24.660
Women thrive on feeling that wantedness from a man and men thrive on feeling the physical
03:38:36.740
And yet, women are more willing to say, you have to deal with my double standards, but
03:38:40.860
I'm not going to deal with your double standards.
03:38:42.880
I think it just comes down at the end of the day is to the woman's standards and her standards
03:38:46.200
for herself, her standards for the relationship, her communication.
03:38:48.600
And so, I don't think any woman going into that.
03:38:51.600
I think men should really not provide at all until like a good three to six months in.
03:39:01.600
You know, he shouldn't protect her, you know, until like three to six months in.
03:39:11.520
Well, okay, so see, I think like the roles as a human, as a human, as a, like protecting,
03:39:19.940
And then if we look at the, as a wife, honor, respect, it's like, we're going to do that
03:39:26.320
But the whole sex part, that's just something in itself that comes back to being equally yoked.
03:39:35.380
If you guys are not unequally yoked, or if you guys aren't even in that, that frame, then.
03:39:43.460
Nick, before we go to Twitch, I do have a quick question for the whole panel.
03:39:51.460
So let me read chats, and then we'll ask the question.
03:39:54.520
Sorry that we're finally getting to this anonymous.
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One sleeps with every guy on first or second date.
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Which one of these two women would make the guy a better man?
03:40:11.900
Which one of these two women would make the guy a better man?
03:40:14.260
Probably the one who's making him wait until marriage.
03:40:26.440
Mateus, for the prot girl prattling, being born again doesn't eradicate your past or your convictions.
03:40:55.660
Question for the whole panel going around the table.
03:40:57.460
So, have you ever seen a beautiful girl with a mid-guy, starting with you?
03:41:16.360
I think, like, I've seen hot chicks dating mid-guys more often than the reverse.
03:41:24.240
And now, if you want to cure hiccups, go ahead.
03:41:28.760
Um, I mean, it just depends on what you define as hot, what's not hot.
03:41:33.180
But if you're looking at the physical attribute, yeah, there's maybe some girls that seem like
03:41:37.020
they're out of the guys' league that are together.
03:41:58.680
I think typically, probably more beautiful woman with a mid-guy.
03:42:04.540
I think it's more a higher, sexier man with a mid-girl.
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Drop us a follow in the Prime sub if you have one.
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Guys, drop us a follow if you're watching on Twitch.
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If you're watching on YouTube, open up in the tab, twitch.tv slash whatever.
03:43:00.660
We do have a question from our dear friend, Stifler.
03:43:04.820
Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
03:43:10.100
I don't like this question because I normally let other people rate my looks, but if I have
03:43:31.860
It literally makes me so uncomfortable because I have no idea.
03:43:41.560
Like, I guess I would say like 7 would so be my answer.
03:44:29.380
So, I'm going to kind of just steal Andrew's question here.
03:44:33.120
So, if we asked 100 random men to rate your physical attractiveness, would that change that answer?
03:44:41.020
To answer your first question, it would not change my answer.
03:44:45.500
Their average rating, I have no idea what it would be.
03:44:50.120
I mean, so, I guess what would your answer be to the new question then?
03:44:58.000
If we asked 100 random men to rate your physical attractiveness, what do you think the average rating would be?
03:45:07.080
No, because men, they all have their different tastes, what they like and everything.
03:45:14.380
Honestly, I couldn't even give you a score because there could be a guy who is not physically attracted to me at all.
03:45:21.260
So, I couldn't even give you an average rating.
03:45:23.660
Well, a guy could not be attracted to you but still give you a rating.
03:45:26.400
I mean, yeah, but there's still that, oh, I like, they look good, so I'm going to give them this number.
03:45:36.940
So, if a guy, like you said, he could not be attracted to me but still give me a rating, I wouldn't know what that rating would be because there's guys who have different, what they like, what they don't like.
03:45:56.400
I don't know, anywhere from a 5 to a 10, but that still wouldn't change my answer.
03:46:06.160
You guys are both Christians and the 10 is perfect, but are you guys perfect?
03:46:12.100
No, the way I, like, I'm confident in who God says I am.
03:46:15.080
He says I'm beautifully and wonderfully made, so I'm going to be confident in that, in the word.
03:46:21.580
Yeah, there's always been to grow in spiritually.
03:46:26.740
So, you wouldn't change anything about your looks?
03:46:29.340
Oh, I was also saying, like, the question is essentially, like, rate your looks, not rate your confidence.
03:46:37.540
But I would say my confidence is probably higher than an eight.
03:47:05.760
Well, let's ask a quick follow-up to our Christian friends on the panel.
03:47:15.200
And are you honest to the girl in the white shirt?
03:47:29.160
It is, because I've been at this conversation last time.
03:47:30.400
Oh, so you're a whole bunch of fucking liars is what you just got done saying.
03:47:33.560
Okay, so all of you are 10s, so none of you are 10s.
03:47:36.500
Now, I got to ask, all of you look exactly alike.
03:47:40.120
You're carbon clones of each other, or you're not?
03:47:44.800
No offense, but one of you guys has had work done.
03:47:50.080
I thought you just got done telling me that you guys were honest.
03:47:52.460
Can you rate the girl next to you honestly, or can't you?
03:47:58.860
Can you rate the girl next to you honestly, or can't you?
03:48:07.580
I still think that the whole perspective on, like, the 10 is because, like I said last
03:48:13.880
time, I have to always put myself in a place where I look at myself as a 10, so wherever
03:48:20.920
I walk in, the way I think about myself is unaccompanied.
03:48:24.120
Because if I were to not, and I think from my flesh, and be hard on myself, and listen
03:48:27.300
to the devil, I'll give myself a really low number.
03:48:31.520
And if we're looking at, like, the average, but what does that do?
03:48:35.780
Because I've had people that tell me that I'm ugly, but I've had men that tell me I'm
03:48:51.660
And the girl next to you on your left, what is she?
03:49:04.460
Literally, I'm not going to give my number to anybody else other than a 10.
03:49:05.960
Is there any girl at the table you wouldn't rate as a 10?
03:49:15.940
Because you're telling me that the way God looks at us, oh, that...
03:49:22.760
Just asking you for societal beauty standard from your own perspective.
03:49:29.840
When I was in middle school, super straight hair was in high school.
03:49:31.860
Whatever it currently is, that's not changed in your mind.
03:49:38.020
I can't keep up with all the culture standards.
03:49:41.780
So is there any woman on planet Earth who's not a 10?
03:49:49.920
Is there any woman on planet Earth who isn't a 10?
03:50:00.540
Is there any woman on planet Earth who's a Satanist?
03:50:21.540
She's the one that said yes to Satanist, you dork.
03:50:34.600
Since Biden is out, if Kamala, are you voting for her?
03:50:38.400
And if neither Trump or her, who would you like the Democratic nominee to be?
03:50:48.880
I said, is there any woman on planet Earth who's not a Satanist?
03:51:01.540
That's a big problem that you have is you don't listen.
03:51:06.940
If every woman on planet Earth is a 10, then what does 10 mean?
03:51:16.500
What does it mean for objective beauty standards?
03:51:18.780
So for instance, if a woman was 800 pounds and her arms and legs were lopped off and half
03:51:25.400
of her face was burned off, do you think objectively most men would find her attractive?
03:51:30.380
She'd be unhealthy and she'd have some type of disability, yes.
03:51:42.760
I don't know what else I can say to show how delusional you are.
03:51:48.020
But how the fuck are you going to have a ministry when all you do is lie?
03:51:51.220
How are you going to have a ministry when all you do is lie?
03:51:54.640
So if I told her you're a one, how is that not degrading?
03:52:09.180
It's not loving to tell me that I'm a 10 when I'm not.
03:52:11.280
But you should look at yourself as a 10 and as I do too.
03:52:21.180
But if I'm already perfect, why do I need to make myself look better?
03:52:24.220
I'm thinking I'm a 10, so I'm going to try even harder to stay.
03:52:27.220
To improve yourself to nothing because you're already a 10?
03:52:36.960
But I'm saying I'm not going to sit here and degrade someone and put a number on them.
03:52:42.440
But saying that you're a 10 out of a 10 means you're a perfect scale.
03:52:50.160
Are there some people who are prettier or better looking than other people?
03:53:02.100
So, I asked a question that says, have you ever seen a beautiful woman with a mid guy?
03:53:09.600
So, just by you answering that question, you've already conceded that you can make determinations
03:53:18.660
I've seen both mid men with beautiful women and I've seen beautiful men with mid women.
03:53:26.280
So, you yourself can make analysis on people's physical attractiveness.
03:53:31.100
But even then, I've had this conversation with my friend.
03:53:35.660
As a Christian, we should all look at everybody as beautiful and as perfect, right?
03:53:45.200
But what I'm saying is, okay, if I see someone that is 100 pounds or 400 pounds, of course,
03:53:51.120
it breaks my heart because it's like, okay, they're unhealthy and they don't see themselves
03:54:04.720
I think everyone should see themselves as a 10 and think themselves as a 10.
03:54:09.880
You said as a Christian, we should see everybody as a 10.
03:54:19.720
But if we look at it through society and like culture and simple.
03:54:32.960
I just want to make sure through God's eyes we're seeing it the same way.
03:54:36.520
That is God's child and he's heartbroken and lost and needs Jesus 100%.
03:54:52.160
Now we're talking about characteristics and values and all that.
03:54:56.320
Yeah, because you brought all that in and said that that is part of what makes you a 10 or not a 10.
03:55:01.020
So I'm asking you if that is a part of what makes you a 10 or not a 10.
03:55:12.560
I see them through God's eyes and God just loved them anyway, even though they did this anus act?
03:55:21.720
He could be a 10 and change his ways of thinking.
03:55:28.120
Oh my God, let's keep it on to the looks thing.
03:55:31.200
But I think that's what makes somebody see somebody else.
03:55:35.820
As a 10 is you love them for their imperfections.
03:55:41.480
Which means you have to admit that not everyone is a 10.
03:55:45.820
You can look at everybody and look at them as a 10 and look at them for their best selves.
03:55:51.740
So, fuck, I got to wait until your friend's back for this.
03:56:14.060
You said I can't make this distinguishment between the physical.
03:56:19.640
I'm just not going to sit here and degrade someone.
03:56:28.900
Yeah, I know, because you think that lying is preferable to telling the truth.
03:56:34.920
It's not lying, but it's, I'm just not going to say it.
03:56:38.920
Yeah, you just said every woman on planet Earth physically is a 10, and you're going to tell
03:56:45.280
I'm not going to sit here and put insecurities in my own perspective and put insecurities
03:56:50.620
How, why, just because of my perspective, that, why would I sit here and do that?
03:57:01.100
Because it's my way of expressing myself, just the same way I do braids.
03:57:04.300
But I also, for people that know me, I go without makeup and bare face a lot of times
03:57:10.980
Well, can we finish, let us finish our discussion.
03:57:16.960
I would like to know, isn't it so that for you to condemn people who are heretics and
03:57:24.120
to condemn non-Christians for the activities that they do, you're going to have to be degrading?
03:57:38.180
But isn't it true that in order for you to condemn heretics and condemn people who go
03:57:45.660
against the word of God, that you're going to have to be degrading?
03:57:57.840
So if somebody tells you that their mother made them into a secularist and that their mother
03:58:03.240
physically abused them, and this is the way that they are, and you say that their mother
03:58:07.200
is wrong, would that be degrading their mother?
03:58:17.420
How can you have conversations with people without risking offense and degradation?
03:58:24.100
If you're going to try to convince them of a worldview, how is it possible that you can
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make it every single time so that they take no offense and no degradation?
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Yeah, but when it comes to looks, it's different.
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We're not talking about something that's so deep.
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Because at the end of the day, I know there's a man that looks at her and he's like, she's
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So who am I to put that, my perception or beauty standards that are gonna constantly
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We're not asking you for that man's beauty perception.
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We're not asking you for that woman's beauty perception.
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I'm not gonna rely on my ever-changing perception.
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Okay, I went through a phase where I thought braids were really ugly.
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So why am I gonna stay here and point and give numbers to girls?
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That's actually not really even what the conversation is about.
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We're asking you from your subjective viewpoint on subjective beauty standards, from your subjective
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viewpoint of what you consider beautiful and not beautiful to be, to give yourself a rating
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It's really fascinating for somebody who's Christian, who has such...
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Because Christians have such a very set worldview of this is how you should live your life,
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but yet you're so unwilling to say, yes, there is a beauty standard.
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I can't sit here and say that even that's biblical.
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Like, we're in the Bible saying that some people are ugly, some people are not.
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I'm saying you have such a hard life structure of, I have to do these things to be a good Christian,
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but I'm not willing to say that there's such thing as a beauty standard.
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The beauty standard is always changing, though, so I'm not going to sit here and rate...
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Well, then that means that there was one at some point.
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Before the standard changed to whatever the standard is, to the standard, to the standard,
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So based on whatever you think that standard is right now, can you tell us what yours is?
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But like the comment said, you should grade your wife and put a picture of your wife up.
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Now, is there any chance, now that I've answered your question honestly, that you'll answer mine?
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I can't do that, because I'm a fucking lying heretic, and I just preach a false gospel constantly.
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I can't answer a single question you ask me, honestly.
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Yeah, you're just not going to ever engage with an actual, you know, question that might
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risk offense to somebody else, even if it was true from your viewpoint, which is exactly
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why women shouldn't be ministers, because you suck at it.
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You refuse to engage in what's actually being asked.
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That's why you're a bunch of atheist factories.
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10, 10, 8, if I recall, for the two 10s here at the table.
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So then you guys do think, comparatively speaking, that you're the most attractive girls at the
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I'm not going to engage in this conversation anymore.
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Well, I mean, Andrew had his go, and I'm going to have...
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So a lot of people haven't said a lot on the pod in the original problem.
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Well, there's two women who said that they're tens.
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I mean, I don't need anyone to agree with that.
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Are you saying that they're wrong in their own self-assessment?
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But at the same time, I may feel like they are...
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Since you guys did rate yourself the highest, are you guys prepared to sit here and say
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that you guys are the most attractive women at the table?
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No, and I'm not going to answer anymore when it comes to this.
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I mean, I have more questions on this, so I'm going to keep asking you.
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Yeah, that's why I'm not going to answer these questions.
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I mean, I don't need to answer all the questions.
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If I don't want to talk about this specific question, if it's that much of a problem,
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But I just do not want to engage in this specific question.
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Are you not going to engage in the conversation?
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Or are you going to be a sheep and follow your friend?
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I asked if you're going to engage in the conversation.
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But it's like I already gave you an answer to the last question.
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So if you're looking to ask more questions, I will then answer.
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Are you going to lie to me or are you going to tell me the truth?
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Are you going to lie to me or are you going to tell me the truth?
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Do you hold a standard for what you consider to be beautiful?
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I mean, from my perspective, my views of beauty is going to look different for everyone else.
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I mean, I'm not going around just rating people or saying like, oh, they look like this.
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No, I understand that everybody you meet, you may not think whether or not they're beautiful,
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but certainly there's many people you meet who you think are less attractive than other people, right?
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Yeah, maybe people's physical attributes look different or they look more enhanced than others.
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So there are some people from your standard who you think are less attractive than others, right?
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Can you tell me, based on those standards, if we were to go around the table, can you go ahead and tell me, based on those standards, and rate each one of those women?
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I mean, it's valid if I don't feel comfortable doing that.
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According to my standards, like we said, I have my own standards and everything.
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According to what I like and what I'm attracted to, a seven.
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Do you want to do it to Maddie or you want to rate?
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Now that you've done it with Brian, why, what would be the distinguishment for why you feel comfortable doing it to a man, but not to a woman?
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I mean, it's easier for me to just build that out.
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Yes, but you still have a subjective standard for what is attractive in women as well.
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Yeah, but like I said, I don't feel comfortable doing that.
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You're totally not a feminist, but you feel fine judging men, telling them to their face what you think the standard is.
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But when it comes to women, well, I just couldn't do that.
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I found it interesting, though, because you are able to make these determinations.
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So your assessment of my physical attractiveness is three points below yours.
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I would actually say that, I mean, trying to be as objective as I can, I would actually say that in terms of our physical appearance, we're probably fairly comparable.
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I'm not saying that to insult you, just objectively.
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But your assessment is I'm three points below you.
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But you also rated me two points below my own rating, which I also find interesting.
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Yeah, like I said, like we discussed, like we have what we are attracted to, what we're not attracted to.
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Don't just like dunk on her just because she thinks she's a 10.
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When it comes just to looks, who would be settling here?
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You realize, so as you guys, and this is what I call extreme virtue signaling, the reason that we're kind of harping on this, I want to give you the rationale so that you now understand why we're harping on this.
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One of the reasons that dating, at least in modernity, seems so messed up is because it seems to be impossible for men and women to have honest conversations without what I would call female narcissism or women literally just lying.
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And it's because they actually follow the book of be nice, not the book of the Bible, which says nowhere to be nice.
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When you say kindness, kindness is not the same as nice.
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And so I think that what ends up happening is there's no honesty left in these conversations because a man is asking a question.
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We know for sure you're full of shit when we're asking you, do you have a beauty standard?
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And you say, no, we know you're fucking lying through your teeth.
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I said every single one of us know that that's total bullshit.
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And so if you were to ask this question and a woman kind of engages with it and says, no, I actually believe everyone's a 10.
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And so how in the world can you have this reconciliation when it comes to dating, when it comes to these conversations, when it comes to being open and honest with each other?
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If you can't even tell the fucking truth about what you think about a beauty standard, why would I assume then that if I were dating you, you wouldn't lie to me?
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Why would I assume then that if I were dating you, you wouldn't lie about what my preferences were in order to make myself or yourself happy?
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How does that even make sense from a secularist perspective?
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So like I said, I did say that there is a beauty standard from what I like and maybe what I think.
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But like you said, like if you're, say you're in a relationship and you're talking about me lying.
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I mean, if I'm going out with you, obviously there's an attraction there or I find you attractive.
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Like I said, like the rating I gave him was based on what I like.
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I don't need to like know what everyone else is liking.
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Like for me, but even to when I gave my answer, like rating my looks, like for me, like I said, like I wouldn't want, like if I'm confident in myself, like that's just my confidence in myself.
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Assuming we, you know, I met your other standards, you would not date me based off of this, correct?
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Because I'm below you in terms of physical appearance, right?
04:11:43.920
Yeah, but assuming like I met your other things, like I was a good guy, whatever, Christian, et cetera, you just wouldn't date me based on looks, right?
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If you had, say you're, someone was a Christian and they had all the check boxes, like the standards, like we have the same standards or whatever it is, and you're a seven, I'm not going to be so hung up on the physical looks.
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You feel like you'd be settling on the looks thing.
04:12:13.360
No, because I believe as we grow in the relationship, like God will give me even more of a, like an attraction to whoever my spouse will be.
04:12:21.520
No, but you said I'm a seven and you're a 10, so you would be settling regardless of your growing attraction for me.
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I mean, I guess if you put it that way, and I understand what you're saying, like I rated you a seven, I rated myself a 10.
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And that's just how I, like for me, I would not want to rate myself anything below a 10 because I wouldn't want to seem like I'm not secure in myself or confident in myself, which I'm not.
04:12:46.140
Why would you rating your, so do you think because I rate myself a five, I'm not secure in myself?
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So you need to put on a facade of a projected belief about your physical attractiveness to be secure?
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You genuinely, aside from your confidence, you genuinely have your own self, your own assessment of your own physical attractiveness is genuinely that you are a 10.
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You are among the most beautiful women in the world.
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I think it's not just, I, because I'm going to get into a little bit more.
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I'm not just basing it off of my physical looks.
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I don't know why there's so much insecurity that if we ask you your looks, you can't just be honest about it, but instead have to bring in other qualia that you think you need to introduce in order to make yourself more appealing to people.
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Like if I were, if, if, if I were, for instance, to walk around and be a braggadocious, um, you know, kind of over the top saying that I was, oh, I was a 10.
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Wouldn't you say that was a sign of insecurity?
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And yet here, it seems like it's a sign of insecurity from you.
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Why not just tell the truth about the actual question, which is what do you rate yourself physically rather than introducing other qualia?
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What do you actually rate yourself by physical beauty standards?
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By physical beauty standards on what people think the world possibly, like, is considered beautiful?
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You sound like you're pretty insecure right now.
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Can you tell us a public figure celebrity who you feel is your male looks match or looks
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You can't think of a guy who you think, yeah, we're in the same league.
04:15:42.840
No, I just don't want to engage in this conversation.
04:15:46.520
Because it's going to reveal that you're wrong?
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No, it's just, it's just, I don't, I did it last time and I just don't, I don't like
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Even watching it from other, other podcasts, I don't like, I don't like seeing what, I
04:16:05.580
Do you have a public figure or celebrity who you feel is your male looks match or equivalent?
04:16:10.420
Um, I would say, I never really thought about that, that someone would be equivalent to
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Like in your league, like a, someone we can Google who you think is in your league looks
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what, you know, we'd obviously have to think of someone who has perhaps a bit of fame or
04:16:32.920
We're going to discount the status, the success, the money, just looks.
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That way we can actually Google a person who you think is like your looks equivalent.
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I'm a little confused as to what the actual thing is.
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I just would not like to compare myself to that.
04:16:55.260
Then who's a guy that you think is in your league?
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I'm trying to maybe get somebody else, but yeah.
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There's not a person in any movie that you've seen that you're like, he's my comparison.
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I'll ask a different question for the whole panel going around the table.
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Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now, starting
04:18:01.840
So, but will you be more physically attractive at 39 than you are now at 19?
04:18:07.120
So we're abstracting all other qualities and talking about physical appearance?
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Probably I am more attractive now than I would be, but I'm not saying I'm going to be a babushka
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But so more attractive at 29, but not more attractive at 39.
04:18:33.540
So we're talking about objective, I don't know, people societal kind of standards here?
04:18:41.080
So let's say, let's assume you're in the, uh, I'm sorry.
04:18:51.780
Based on the standards of the motherland, they are judging your beauty standards, right?
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They're judging you currently versus you at 29 years old, which would all of the men in
04:19:13.760
So then there's no way you're going to be more attractive than at 29.
04:19:16.980
Let's, let's, let's, let's get all the answers.
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Do you think you'll be more physically attractive at 33 than you are now at 23?
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Well, we're getting, as you grow older, I mean, age just catches up to you.
04:19:48.300
But you think you will peak at 33 as compared to now at 23?
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Do you, will you be more physically attractive in 10 years time?
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Cause it could be a whole different standard in, in 10 years of what people think is beautiful.
04:20:21.240
In my eyes, I'm going to still be confident that, yeah, I am beautiful.
04:20:25.100
Maybe I'm going to have kids and maybe my body's going to look a little bit different,
04:20:30.100
We're not saying that you won't be beautiful in 10 years.
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We're asking if you'll be more beautiful in 10 years than you are now.
04:20:43.040
So you will be just as physically attractive at 43 years old than you are, like, what did
04:20:56.880
You're saying looks, I keep on wanting to pull into like emotions and all that stuff.
04:21:11.400
Um, but I'll actually engage with you on this incorporating other things.
04:21:19.380
So if we just look at the totality of everything, your personality, et cetera, et cetera, do you
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think you will overall be more attractive to all men at 33, looks, personality, everything?
04:21:38.140
You'll be more attractive at 33 than you are now at 23, allowing you to incorporate everything.
04:21:44.460
And if I'm still going down the same route that I am, like improving myself and growing
04:21:50.240
But I mean, I don't need the approval of like, oh, man, it's just going to be whoever my husband
04:21:55.460
But so the question is like to be attractive to other men, to men.
04:22:00.880
And yes, if I, like I said, if I continue going the path, which hopefully God willing,
04:22:13.460
If we're incorporating everything emotionally, yes, everything.
04:22:16.100
You'll be more, but you acknowledge that physical attractiveness is a component of it.
04:22:21.800
I'm not asking just, but you would, you would acknowledge that it's a component.
04:22:27.560
But you're like even saying like, it's to all men, like it's just one person I don't need.
04:22:32.940
Maybe we're both going to be getting older together.
04:22:35.200
Maybe our physical attraction for each other is going to be like, oh, you're getting like
04:22:41.500
So in this scenario, it's probably going to drop, but hopefully the emotional rises up.
04:22:46.160
In this scenario, let's assume you get divorced, but you've made all the progress that you claim
04:22:55.360
Will you have a better time attracting men at 43 than you will now at 23?
04:23:00.700
That one man you talk about is gone and now you're back in the dating marketplace.
04:23:09.780
I mean, if that guy was a former, hopefully there'll be one who's going to want to be
04:23:16.700
So I'm asking, I'm setting up a hypothetical here.
04:23:24.020
You're now back on Tinder and Hint and dating apps and you're being, there's multiple men
04:23:32.340
Do you think that you will be more attractive in totality at 43 to these men than you are
04:23:41.080
Um, no, because it, like you said, for a total, total app, whatever that word was, the physical
04:23:49.120
And like I said, it depends on like what they're looking for in totality.
04:23:53.360
But it's like, it depends what the guy is looking for as well.
04:24:03.180
Will you be better looking at 36 than you are now at 26?
04:24:09.400
Oh, I absolutely, I said, I absolutely plan on being that.
04:24:15.760
10 years of extra training, 10 years of extra help, 10 years of understanding your style
04:24:22.280
I think, I know I have a lot of friends that are almost 40 and they're baddies.
04:24:27.640
So I'm already going to grant that women can absolutely be beautiful and attractive into
04:24:43.520
As I said, because of those reasons, I think that I'll have an extra 10 years of training,
04:24:47.140
extra 10 years of maintenance and looking after myself.
04:24:50.120
So from 26 till now, I mean, 26 till 36, I would make the assumption that I would look
04:24:58.920
Um, I think that it would start to decline a little bit the closer I got to 50.
04:25:04.200
So you'd be more attractive, physically attractive at 46 than you are now at 26.
04:25:09.800
No, I'd be more attractive at 36 and 26 and then more attractive at 26 and 46.
04:25:25.000
But will you be more attractive at 46 than at 36?
04:25:30.740
I think that you're like a women, like generally it can really peak like from that 32 to 40.
04:25:38.280
I just said 32 to 40, I think is like a peak for women.
04:25:44.720
And then going back to you, what do you think is the peak physical attractiveness age of
04:25:57.140
Do you think you'll be better looking at 39 than you are now?
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Will you be better looking at 49 than you are now?
04:26:10.420
When is, when do you think is the peak for, uh, physical beauty in women?
04:26:17.380
And do you think you're more physically attractive now at 29 than you were at 19?
04:26:29.520
Like, I just think that, like you said, like I never, I didn't work out in my, when I was
04:26:38.940
So you're better looking now at 29 than you were at 19.
04:26:45.600
I take care of myself now than I did when I was at 19.
04:26:49.260
Going to you, 28, better looking at 38 or better looking now?
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And were you, were you better looking at 18 or better looking now?
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I would say I, I'm better looking now for sure.
04:27:04.080
I think women peak usually in their mid twenties, like 23, 24, 25.
04:27:17.460
I definitely think I'd be more attractive now than 10 years.
04:27:20.360
So you're more, uh, more attractive now at 27 than you are at 37.
04:27:27.500
Uh, going back to you really quick, you said that, uh, if you get work done, that you'll
04:27:36.320
I, I, like just by process of time, I've been training for 10 years.
04:27:41.200
Imagine when I'm in the gym for an extra 10 years, your physical fitness, how you look
04:27:45.880
aesthetically will be so much more better in 10 years than what it is now.
04:27:55.540
Um, I think that that would then come down to how you look after yourself.
04:28:02.840
What are you doing to mitigate like wrinkles, all of that.
04:28:05.400
So you could have another extra 10 years of looking after yourself.
04:28:09.540
Um, as kind of what you alluded to, I feel like women and more people in general go through
04:28:14.740
I kind of feel like your twenties is an awkward phase.
04:28:17.420
And then when you get into your thirties, you kind of, yeah, know your style.
04:28:21.280
You've been probably working out, you know what to eat.
04:28:24.480
And so that's kind of my theory behind why I think at 20, I mean, 36, I'd be better than
04:28:31.860
I sent over, this is some new Andrew lore, uh, the first ever dropped, uh, in a long time.
04:28:39.760
And I'll drop it right here on the, whatever podcast.
04:28:41.620
So via discord, I sent over a picture of me at 19 when I was a model.
04:28:46.860
You may not know this, but me, Andrew Wilson, I was a model.
04:29:01.100
Now I'm going to have Brian pull this up so you can see how fucking delusional you are.
04:29:05.640
Andrew Wilson at 19 years old versus Andrew Wilson at 40 years old so that you can see
04:29:16.100
Hey, some of us like, send it over via discord, by the way.
04:29:20.280
I think men look better when they're a little older.
04:29:37.360
My theory though comes from personal friends that I have that are almost 40 and I've seen
04:29:41.720
photos of them at my age and I think they look better now.
04:29:45.800
And we're about to show the pic and then you can just see for yourself.
04:29:49.220
Because I got to tell you, you guys are living off in Dululu fucking land.
04:29:54.360
If you think that at 39 years old, you're going to be as good looking as you were at
04:30:02.020
So, wouldn't you assume that you're more aged now?
04:30:06.960
And by the way, do you think that men can't drink and smoke and still maintain their attractiveness
04:30:14.060
Regardless of whether you think it's not going to come for you or it's coming.
04:30:57.940
I just think males are more attracted to a younger looking female where females are attracted,
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generally speaking, very generally, to an older looking man, not a baby face.
04:31:06.440
Like, you were gorgeous, but you had a baby face.
04:31:08.500
Wait, so then how can you be more attractive as time goes on?
04:31:14.900
Do I think that from 26 to 36, by logic, you would make the assumption that if I have
04:31:21.400
an extra 10 years of training and looking after myself, I would therefore look better
04:31:29.580
All else being equal, so assuming that, I mean, you're training now, right?
04:31:44.760
You think muscle is a primary attraction trigger in men?
04:31:49.140
If you want to get into the complexities of training, you can get more muscle, you can
04:31:53.440
If you want to get into powerlifting, you can put on weight.
04:31:57.940
So in my assumption, if you're training and you're being fit and healthy for an extra
04:32:02.760
10 years, wouldn't your body by default look better?
04:32:06.380
So assuming you don't train at all, but you eat healthy and your body fat percentage doesn't
04:32:15.620
Although for most people as they age, they tend to gain weight, but I'll disregard that.
04:32:19.520
And I'll just grant that your body fat percentage stays the same, but your actual, um, uh, what's
04:32:26.360
the word for it, uh, composition, your body composition, no changes from 30 to 40.
04:32:32.320
There's, you're saying that there's no difference, no negative difference between those years.
04:32:41.200
What I said is from 26 to 36, I think I'd look better, but from 26 to 46, I think there
04:32:48.400
But so you're saying that currently, so looking better, looking better, looking better, 36,
04:32:54.760
looking worse, looking worse, looking worse, essentially.
04:32:57.300
Well, essentially, yeah, because then women start to go through menopause and all of that.
04:33:00.600
So then you totally change your body and then you do start to age.
04:33:03.440
So people, there's no like physical signs of aging in one's face in 10 year period.
04:33:10.700
But you asked how important is face when it comes to physical attractiveness?
04:33:17.880
So you're not going to have any changes to your face?
04:33:28.080
So like what, if you have a gym goal now, how is it going to get better after 10 years?
04:33:36.520
Well, the beauty in the gym is it's ever, it's always changing.
04:33:39.220
So just say when I started at the gym, my goal was to put on weight and then I got into
04:33:44.940
Then I got into powerlifting and then I had powerlifting goals.
04:33:47.320
And now I'm out of powerlifting and I have different goals now.
04:33:51.320
So you actually never reach a final destination in the gym.
04:34:19.700
So my goal is a desired weight that I want to get to.
04:34:23.240
All I'm saying, like, if that works for her, that's great.
04:34:43.200
You got to, like, your body's always going to be changing that.
04:34:49.700
Therefore, I have to change to keep my goal where it is.
04:34:54.840
That the goal is what we, there's always going to be.
04:34:58.940
I'm just shooting the ball at a different angle.
04:35:04.000
So I guess, yes, you could be morbidly obese at 26 and in the worst shape of your life.
04:35:13.600
And then you diet and then you would have a more physically attractive body by the time
04:35:20.960
But again, all else being equal, assuming that you were already in, like, fairly peak physical
04:35:28.280
shape at 26, do you still think if you were also in peak physical shape at 36, that you're
04:35:50.940
Depends on how I look after myself in the next 10 years, if you're asking about me specifically.
04:35:55.480
I'm granting that you're in peak physical shape now.
04:35:59.020
And then in 10 years' time, you're also in peak physical shape.
04:36:06.620
But that's not going to undo the fact that there's changes to your skin that occur.
04:36:12.420
There's changes to your face, wrinkling, et cetera.
04:36:22.720
I don't care how much, in fact, I don't care how good you, the cream you use, or what you
04:36:29.520
do, or the minimizing of sun exposure, over a 10-year period of time, there are going to
04:36:36.300
be such changes to your face that regardless of all the terrible treatment you did to your
04:36:42.660
skin at 26, it's not going to be, I don't think it can be substantially reversed, it's
04:36:54.640
And if facial attractiveness is a huge part of physical attractiveness, then how can it
04:37:02.700
possibly be that you would end up better looking at 36 than at 26?
04:37:06.640
Well, do you want like a hypothetical, or do you want like, because hypothetically, I'm
04:37:17.320
again, I'm taking personal anecdotes from close personal friends that are in that age
04:37:22.060
bracket, and I think about what their faces looked like at 26, and sometimes you still
04:37:26.140
have a little bit of chub, or you have a baby face, and then now as they've matured as
04:37:29.320
women, they've got these great jawlines, structures, cheekbones, and stuff, because
04:37:33.220
they've matured more, and so it depends, I guess, what you like, I think that that's
04:37:38.960
I actually think softer faces in women are more attractive.
04:37:43.000
I think most men find softer faces more attractive.
04:37:47.180
But in addition to, fine, if I even grant that men find super, oh, you find that more attractive
04:37:57.260
Like, think about like a young Johnny Depp, with like, he's a ripper jawline.
04:38:00.360
And I think it's great, and so I love when I see, like, even...
04:38:10.160
I don't understand why this is such a complex question for you.
04:38:18.500
Even for men that are inclined to find super sharp features attractive in women, the...
04:38:45.260
Like, I feel like you're painting a picture of, like, at 36, you look, like, decrepit and
04:38:52.220
That's not what I'm saying, but you start getting some of those things.
04:38:57.680
That's what you said if you're going to start declining, right?
04:39:00.740
That's what I'm so, Kim, like, perplexed about.
04:39:07.040
If God made you perfect, how come you have a nose job?
04:39:19.300
Well, if God made you perfect, why do you have fake lips?
04:39:22.200
I used to get my lips done from about 18 until 2022.
04:39:27.000
And then that was the last time I got my lips done before I went...
04:39:29.260
So you thought there was some imperfection that needed to be healed or taken care?
04:39:35.380
But yeah, I used to love getting my lips done because I was insecure about them.
04:39:38.500
So you don't let them get done anymore, ever again?
04:39:41.320
No, I haven't had my lips done since, yeah, 2022 in July.
04:39:44.420
So there'll be no more cosmetic surgery for you ever?
04:39:47.600
No, the only thing I would love to get done is probably get this scar on my head removed,
04:39:57.520
So right now, objectively, without any sort of cosmetic surgery whatsoever,
04:40:03.220
without any sort of lip filler, butt lift, anything else,
04:40:08.740
you objectively believe at 39 you're going to be as attractive as you are right this second?
04:40:21.780
Yeah, that's a great question, to be honest with you.
04:40:26.160
I was more focusing on physical appearance and thinking about in 10 years
04:40:30.460
what my body would look like, but when you put that argument there
04:40:34.380
of what your face will look like, I have to agree with you,
04:40:36.680
but that's not the measure I was kind of using.
04:40:42.240
Isn't your physical attractiveness also based on your face?
04:40:47.440
Like if somebody went and splashed acid in your face,
04:40:50.220
you would be less physically attractive than you are right now, probably, right?
04:40:55.380
So if somebody's asking about your physical attractiveness,
04:40:59.300
aren't they taking the totality of your physical appearance,
04:41:02.480
this would include your weight, your height, your facial features, all of that,
04:41:09.640
I don't know if we could give it something like, let's say, a number, for instance,
04:41:13.820
where we said if we took all of those physical features
04:41:26.600
If you had 1 to 10 to choose from, right now you're a 7.
04:41:33.500
Why do I feel like I'm getting boxed in with the uncomfortability of writing people?
04:41:54.340
and if we're going now by the alternative factors of aging,
04:41:58.120
I guess you could make the analysis that you would probably be a 6 by that point.
04:42:02.300
What do you think you would be, then, by that analysis?
04:42:10.160
You think at 39 years old, absent any sort of cosmetic surgery whatsoever, no lip fillers,
04:42:24.600
Hey, and I'm even going to grant, you work out every single day, you try to keep yourself in the best shape you possibly can.
04:42:31.460
And at 39 years old, does the number go down, or does it go up?
04:42:36.100
Well, as I said, if you want to be super nuanced,
04:42:37.960
you could probably have an increase in your body and a decrease in your face,
04:42:43.860
If you're an 8 now, and you're saying hypothetically you'd be a 6,
04:42:49.940
Is that where you think you're going to be, not what you hope?
04:42:57.120
That's great that I hope that, but I don't think that that's probably going to be true.
04:43:02.040
So whether you hope that or not, I'm asking you, do you think that?
04:43:40.060
It does, but I know that this is going to be really like...
04:43:47.040
When they're 39 and a half years old, they're gorgeous, but the second they hit that 4-0,
04:43:53.380
I know what I'm getting myself into by saying this, and I totally understand, but the only
04:43:57.700
people that I know that are in their 40s are literally the Kardashians, and I'm like,
04:44:01.380
I know they have so much work done, but they don't look horrible for 40.
04:44:14.420
Well, the standard for men at their 40s, right?
04:44:17.640
I'm probably one of the better looking ones out there, and I'm a 4.
04:44:21.540
Why do you think that age for men, when they have testosterone, for instance, which is
04:44:27.220
the fountain of youth, and women have estrogen, which is the fountain of age, literally, why
04:44:33.520
would you ever think for a second that even though men, if they keep their testosterone
04:44:38.840
high, which again, like I said, fountain of youth, why do you think that you would appear
04:44:43.260
younger or better looking at that age than right now?
04:44:47.260
For underscore, the underscore patriarchy donated $199.99.
04:44:53.260
To the former pimp, if you would look the same in 10 or 20 years, did you recruit 40-year-olds
04:45:00.700
We actually did have some people at the agency that were not 40, but we had people that were
04:45:06.140
in their mid to late 30s, definitely, but as we all know, the highest paid people and
04:45:10.820
the most looked up porn is teen, barely legal and fresh teen, so I think that's just a basic
04:45:19.660
Why do you think that men would be viewing porn of really young women?
04:45:27.520
I think that there's this weird complexity about innocence, to be honest with you.
04:45:32.420
I think that it comes down to there's a thing that...
04:45:37.900
They're literally not innocent at all, so actually this is a perfect thing.
04:45:44.640
It's just an innocent girl who's getting fucked by three of those guys over there.
04:45:51.140
I disagree with that because as I literally saw conversations with subscribers and saw
04:45:56.420
this phenomenon, and what happens, it's when they're dressed in the school dresses, they're
04:46:02.280
It's the fact that there's this weird girl next door phenomenon about the innocence of
04:46:06.060
these girls, but there's this weird fantasy that's tied to it, and that's not me making
04:46:12.560
What's going on is, what happens is that these are 25-year-old women who dress this
04:46:18.240
way so that they appear younger, so that they look more attractive to men, because men
04:46:30.020
As I said, my personal experience from literally working at an agency and seeing these conversations
04:46:38.540
So, for instance, if the LARP is, I'm 25 years old, but I'm dressing like I'm a school
04:46:44.600
What you're doing is you're giving the presentation that you're younger than 25 years old, right?
04:46:50.060
But if you zoom out on that, so let's extrapolate on that, though.
04:46:53.340
So if men are into that fantasy, isn't that showing that men are into youth?
04:47:03.920
They want to have sex with them because that's what makes the babies.
04:47:11.200
Young, fertile women can have lots and lots of babies.
04:47:14.320
So from a biological standpoint, why is it that a man would want to have sex?
04:47:19.180
Why would a man, for instance, think young women, beautiful?
04:47:22.420
They think that because from an evolutionary standpoint, for instance, you would assume
04:47:28.560
that the younger women are going to have far more babies than older women.
04:47:33.560
So younger women look more beautiful to man because then man wants to have sex with younger
04:47:43.260
Look, to be honest with you, I understand that perspective.
04:47:47.980
I think that it's so complex, the subscriber and OnlyFans relationship is way more, I personally
04:47:59.460
I don't think it's as simple as a guy looks at a young girl and thinks, I'm going to have
04:48:02.380
I think that when there's such an oversaturation.
04:48:07.160
I just told you my theory from my personal experience is that there's an infatuation with
04:48:16.900
So why do you think attractiveness exists to begin with?
04:48:23.040
Why do you think I'm attracted to lady X even exists to begin with?
04:48:29.120
Why do men and women need to be attracted to each other?
04:48:32.200
Why do they need to want to have sex with each other?
04:48:35.640
If you're like, I understand the procreation aspect of it.
04:48:39.340
I said I understand the procreation aspect of it, but we're not talking about that.
04:48:47.840
So I'm asking you, why do you think men and women need to be attracted to each other?
04:48:53.020
I understand, but what we're talking about here is this phenomenon.
04:49:06.320
Yes, but what we're talking about here in this very specific, so don't take it out of
04:49:12.140
context, this very specific topic is the fact that men are not watching porn because
04:49:17.540
they think that they're going to impregnate a woman.
04:49:22.060
Yeah, because they're attracted to the women there, so they're jerking off to them.
04:49:25.700
And if you're attracted to a woman, the attractiveness exists for the singular purpose.
04:49:30.100
The only reason you're attracted to a woman and a woman's attracted to a man is because
04:49:36.400
That's why the attractiveness exists to begin with.
04:49:39.620
Therefore, if you were to look at it from a perspective of what men find attractive,
04:49:47.440
Why wouldn't they think that was more attractive?
04:49:50.320
Yeah, look, two opposing opinions, and I totally disagree with you from my personal experience,
04:49:59.880
Do you think more men are jerking off to 80-year-old, you know, porn, or they're jerking off more
04:50:06.120
to a barely legal teen and 20-, 25-year-old porn?
04:50:10.980
Well, I think that it's ridiculous to try and make such an exaggerated context.
04:50:16.080
I think that's saying 80-year-old, making a comparison with an 80-year-old and a 19-year-old.
04:50:20.880
Do you think more men are jerking off to 80-year-old women, 70-year-old women, 60-year-old women, 50-year-old women, 40-year-old women, or 20-year-old women?
04:50:28.820
Well, there is fantasies of that, but no, I think that to make this extreme comparison of 80-year-olds and 19-year-olds is just ridiculous.
04:50:42.620
Yeah, because I understand you're trying to box me into saying the younger so that you can try and make your point, but your example is ridiculous.
04:50:48.540
I'm going to go, Andrew, are you six feet tall, and I say margarine hat?
04:50:56.040
Is it an answer to the question if you ask me if I'm six feet tall and I say margarine hat?
04:51:06.160
Are more men out there jerking off to 20-year-old women, or are they jerking off more to 40, 30, 50, 60, and 70-year-old women?
04:51:30.560
Women in their 30s, right, can still be innocent, can't they?
04:51:35.380
Again, if you want to extrapolate on that, why is it the younger the better, though?
04:51:39.340
Because they are attracted to the thing that makes the baby, or they wouldn't have the attraction to begin with, right?
04:51:47.340
You would not have attraction to woman if woman couldn't make baby.
04:51:53.200
Why would attractiveness even exist external to need to make baby?
04:52:00.780
Look, as I said, I think you're simplifying a really complex problem.
04:52:05.300
You think I'm simplifying a really complex problem?
04:52:10.080
I think that you are over-complexifying a really simple problem.
04:52:21.620
So, potentially, it sounds like a good argument to you that you say, well, that's an overly simplistic analysis, and I say, well, that's an overly complex analysis.
04:52:31.180
Tell me why it would be that you, attractiveness only exists, period, for the purpose of procreation, and yet, when men are jerking off to the type of pornography in the age group where you are the most fertile, you can't make the link that these two things are connected.
04:52:52.580
I'm saying in the specific context of what we're talking about, and we're talking about the consumption of pornography, I think that the reason for attractiveness is different than a baseline of procreation.
04:53:02.840
Well, I don't think that attractiveness even exists absent the baseline of procreation, and I think that if you're looking at 20, 22, 23, 24, 25-year-old women who are in their most fertile years, of course, are the most attractive.
04:53:18.740
Those are the women who are going to be able to give you the most amount of children.
04:53:24.340
We were specifically saying teen, barely legal, and fresh teen, so there's a differentiation here.
04:53:28.500
Also, and so only for the purpose of TOS am I not able to dive into this, but of course, at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, yes, of course, those are very fertile women.
04:53:44.400
When you say innocence, when you say they're into it because of innocence, innocence meaning what?
04:53:50.660
I'm a virgin 18-year-old, meaning I'm the most likely to bear your genetic offspring, correct?
04:53:58.900
Look, yeah, I guess you could see it from that perspective, absolutely, yeah.
04:54:11.540
So, I mean, I guess better looking at 36 versus now at 26?
04:54:26.380
Well, I mean, aging, you know about the whole aging thing?
04:54:33.160
Well, yeah, but it changes, like, your physical appearance.
04:54:38.780
Before I get to that, you said better looking in 10 years, or did you walk back?
04:54:53.200
I'm curious, since you guys rated yourselves 10s, how can you possibly be 10s now, if you're
04:55:06.280
When we've talked about the totality of it, I said a 10, and then I retracted and said
04:55:13.460
So, if I said a 7, now we're back to going back up.
04:55:20.540
I said, from other people's perspectives, I'm probably seen as a 7 or lower.
04:55:24.360
And so, in 10 years, like we talked about, there's a...
04:55:33.840
Going to you, you said you were a 10, but you said you'd also be better looking in 10
04:55:38.280
So, how can you be a 10 now, if you will be better looking in 10 years' time?
04:55:48.120
Right, but if you're going to be better looking in 10 years' time, how can you...
04:56:00.500
So, do you want to engage in good faith and actually answer the question?
04:56:05.080
Okay, well, we're going to move off a little bit from this rating thing, but I kind of will
04:56:10.720
actually give you reasons for why we bring this up and why we offer pushback.
04:56:15.880
So, the reality is, in the dating marketplace, is that a lot more women are delusional about
04:56:22.480
their self-assessment in the dating marketplace than men are, because we as men, if I step
04:56:28.840
to a girl, and this can be just off of looks, if I step to a girl and absent, like, insane
04:56:35.700
levels of charisma or status or money or something else, insane levels of something else.
04:56:45.420
You have to be so charismatic and funny in order to pull that off.
04:56:49.340
In any case, if I'm a guy who's a 7, and I step to a woman who's a 10, I don't get anything
04:57:12.560
Whereas women, if you're like an average girl, and you kind of make yourself sexually
04:57:18.820
available to a guy who's outside of your league, he'll fuck you.
04:57:27.840
Very good chance he'll never give you commitment.
04:57:29.680
He probably won't treat you that well or treat you how you feel like you deserve to be treated.
04:57:33.880
This is where we hear these complaints about fuckboys from women.
04:57:38.180
Frankly, you're fucking men out of your league.
04:57:40.420
So, if you're chasing after these men who are more attractive than you, who are 8s, 9s,
04:57:46.680
10s, and you're a 5, 6, 7, you can sleep with men who are more attractive than you.
04:57:53.440
Two, you might actually become delusional and think, well, because I can sleep with that guy,
04:58:01.140
I'm an average girl, but I can go get me an NFL player.
04:58:15.780
So long as you make yourself sexually available to them,
04:58:19.400
you have access to those men who are out of your league.
04:58:27.260
you think that the men who are actually in your league,
04:58:30.240
who will commit to you, who will give you commitment,
04:58:32.680
who will give you a ring, you think you're settling for them.
04:58:38.680
you'll secretly still be pining for those really attractive men
04:58:41.960
who you can have sex with, but who will never, ever commit to you.
04:58:52.440
who's like below your league, but is actually your league,
04:58:54.880
but you think is out of your league, but it's actually your league,
04:58:59.520
You're going to be secretly pining for that really hot dude
04:59:09.840
that you wouldn't treat these guys who you have sexual access to,
04:59:15.280
Uh, but really, probably the most ultimate thing is,
04:59:22.160
who are actually prepared to give you commitment,
04:59:25.860
but because you're able to get sexual access from these men,
04:59:37.980
are the men who give you commitment and relationship and a ring,
04:59:49.100
As men, our league is the women we can sleep with.
05:00:10.620
that you can definitively get him in a relationship?
06:11:30.140
okay i'm going to pause for you guys to answer really quick
06:15:08.620
I don't even know what either of them look like
06:15:25.800
Old man Marine donated 30 million to the Shiaan's in the room
06:15:35.940
That set least above average and expresses humility
06:15:39.800
And that is way more attractive than saying you're perfect
06:34:17.240
The reason it's clear is that's how you tell if it's fake or real money
06:34:22.280
Who's that the queen of on that on that bill right now who is that the queen of
06:34:27.360
We're a constitutional monarchy so don't we follow the queen who's that the queen of
06:34:32.580
England oh the queen of who England not the queen of Australia likely fucking story
06:34:42.940
Pull up a British pound with a picture of the queen of England
06:34:53.040
When if Australia actually exists when was the great emu war
06:35:10.380
You don't think there's the emu there wasn't an emu war
06:35:19.160
It was a nuanced wildlife management military operation
06:35:51.860
Australians lost a war against flightless birds
06:35:54.860
But for some reason think they can call Australia a country of its own
06:36:14.820
Emu war was a nuanced wildlife management military operation
06:36:19.120
Undertaken in Australia over the later part of 1932 to address public concern over the number of emus
06:36:32.240
In the campion district within the wheat belt of western Australia
06:36:36.280
The unsuccessful attempts to curb the population of emus employed royal australian artillery soldiers armed with lewis guns
06:36:54.720
That's because schools in England don't teach you Australian history do they
06:37:35.400
And remind him he is in a happy and monogamous relationship
06:37:45.940
You want your friend to have a good relationship
06:37:47.900
Keep her far away from Brian and his degenerate show
06:37:59.940
Yeah but I mean why would you keep them away from the show
06:38:02.460
We can't even keep you away from sending a super chat into the show
06:38:36.440
And he did convince me that Australia is actually real
06:38:41.300
But I'm still going to double down on the position
06:38:47.840
So many women keep on sending me invites to Australia
06:39:04.940
Australia is as real as Americans pretending to like rugby and soccer
06:39:23.140
Just because they're descended from chromosome missing
06:39:43.840
It's like pretty miserable majority of the time
07:04:50.780
Can someone give him a neck slash shoulder massage
07:05:40.940
Wouldn't I ask dolphins the best way to do that?
07:06:17.260
Any Russian ladies want a Canadian citizenship?
07:06:21.760
Yeah is that why you're asking a man to pet your wiener?
07:07:01.140
I don't believe in physical violence against men Brian
07:07:13.620
Mixed Yorkshire Terrier and Maltese equals Morky
07:07:25.380
Raise your hands if you agree Brian is the most convincing trans man you've ever seen
07:07:35.300
Uh no you dumb blank fish don't talk and listening to a woman is equally damn bro
07:07:47.760
Okay so think about how stupid this is both ways
07:07:54.220
This infers that you can't ask a fish how to catch a fish
07:07:57.440
But it would not infer that you couldn't ask a woman how to catch a woman
07:08:03.760
If you could within the hypothetical ask a fish how to catch a fish
07:08:11.960
Yeah you gotta figure out which bait works best
07:09:09.240
How does it feel to have a big titty single mom simp grifter
07:09:48.080
You'll make light work of stripper name on Thursday
07:09:50.880
If any of you believe in the right to vote for women
07:12:24.500
Require all people to register for draft to vote at 18
07:12:31.400
That would at least prevent a large swatch of the R word lips from voting
07:12:39.400
Born again virgins have plenty of room for the Holy Spirit
07:12:43.760
After they've already had no trouble making room for 100 dicks
07:12:58.600
We from the used to be fit association would like to inform you that we have accepted your application
07:13:52.080
Guys it's been 27 minutes since we last got a Prime
07:14:11.060
Yeah we're going to aim to do these Monday, Wednesday
07:14:13.160
So just the two days after we do our dating talks