She SCAMS Men ($250,000)？! 52 Year Old Single Mom WILL NOT SETTLE (Wants Man Who Makes $500,000 Per Year)？! ｜ Dating Talk #188
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Summary
Jasmine, 26, is a stripper and scammer. She tells us about how she got her start in the stripper business, how she became a scammer, and how she went from stripping to being a stay-at-home girlfriend.
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introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation. Go ahead.
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Uh, Jasmine, 26, Thousand Oaks, California, and I'm a stay-at-home girlfriend.
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Okay. And ex-what, though? Oh, yeah. Um, I used to be a stripper and scammer.
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Stripper and scammer. Yeah. Okay. What, so what is, uh, what's a scammer?
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Well, I just feel like when, uh, because stripping is, like, part of sex work, and so when you're,
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like, scamming people, you're just telling them, you know, you're going to get something that you're
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not going to get. Because I wouldn't bring down my, like, self-morals. I mean, obviously,
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I didn't have the best morals at that time, but I wouldn't bring down my morals lower to, um,
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get money. I would just rather lie to them. So, what would you lie about? Um, I honestly
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wouldn't ever say anything, because when you work in a strip club, you can't say you're going to do
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explicit things. I would just kind of either, like, agree with whatever they were asking, or just,
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you know, like, yeah, we're going to have fun. Like, you know, I wouldn't, um. So, what's the scam,
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though? They, yeah, they would think they were going to have sex, or, like, sexual interactions
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with me that just weren't going to happen. So, because that's, like, why most men go to strip
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clubs. So, they would. Yeah, so there's, um, this is often the case, you can correct me if I'm wrong,
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but, uh, many strippers engage in backroom prostitution. Is that correct? A thousand percent
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correct, yeah. Yeah, a thousand percent correct. And there is coded language, which is used between
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the club goers and the strippers. And I'm sure that you knew what that coded language was, right?
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And so, when they would use the coded language, you would take them back, and then that's when you
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would just not deliver. Pretty much. Um, they're, honestly, a lot of, like, regular customers don't
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have a coded language. They just blatantly say, like, I want this. Like, are you going to perform
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this, you know? Um, my managers knew that I would lie, because they, they didn't care. I would make a lot
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of money, um, for the club and for myself. So, sometimes if they didn't like customers, you
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know, they've given them hard times, they'd send them my way and let me scam them.
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And so, but I imagine, so the customers would give you money with expectation of X.
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So, they'd pay the club, like, whatever the dance was to get, like, the private room.
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And then, when we'd go in, I'd ask for my tip first. And then, I would figure out how
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to entertain them for 15 minutes without doing what they want. Or anything, really.
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That I'm getting their money for not doing anything they want. They are getting scammed.
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into believing that they're going to get something met. They're paying for something.
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Yeah, and I'm just like, we're going to go back there and have fun. And it wouldn't happen.
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So, when you went, when you took them into the back room and they were under the impression
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that they were going to, let's say in this case, get a blowjob, let's say, did they pay
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you up front for what they thought would be the sexual favor?
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They would give me my tip. And then I would just, like, not do anything.
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And how much would you charge them for these favors they thought they were going to get?
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I honestly didn't charge. I would just, like, if it looked like someone that was going to
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be difficult, it'd ask for, like, more. They usually had, like, something that they'd offer,
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like, 200. Like, some girls are in there doing stuff for, like, $50. So, you have to,
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like, really be, and it's usually those customers that would be aggressive. Like, I've had customers
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push me into walls. Because, again, like, they do get mad. They go to, like, the manager
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and complain. And at the end of the day, there's really nothing that they can do if, you know,
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I just hold my story. Like, I didn't agree to anything. I just were going to have fun.
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But, I mean, you seem to acknowledge yourself that there's a scam component here.
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Yeah. But I wasn't going to scam myself out of my own morals and, like, dignity of
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So, okay. Were there, was there, aside from, like, what you were doing in the strip club,
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Yeah. I had a fake fiance for, like, two years. I met him at the strip club.
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Um, I worked at, like, a bigger club in LA, which is, like, a, it's a, like, topless bar. So,
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they have, they serve alcohol and they have, like, sell sections and stuff. I met him there
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and he invited me to a Dodger game. So, I said, sure. And then we went on another date. And then
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from there on, he just, um, he knew he wasn't going to get sex out of me because I was, at the
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time, abstinent. And so, he just started spending a bunch of money thinking that he was going to get
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eventually sex out of me. And then he proposed to me on the other 3rd.
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Bigoted Ben donated $69. Q4 panel, what does dismantling whiteness mean to you and how important
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We're still in introductions. Maybe we'll, uh, we'll get back to this one bigoted Ben.
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Yeah, we'll have to save it for later. Um, so, wait, the fake fiance, so is he just,
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Yeah, he was paying my rent. Um, I would, we would go out all the time, go shopping, go,
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yeah, pretty much, like, anything I asked for money-wise, I would make sure that, like,
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he gave it to me. Or sometimes even, like, I would send it to myself from his phone.
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So, how much a month do you think he was spending on you?
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Um, willingly, he was paying, like, $5,000 of my bills when I would just pay myself at
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that time. I was probably making, like, $15,000-ish, like, $12,000 to $15,000 from doing that.
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From scamming in total? Like, other dudes, too?
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No, just him. Like, just from him, I would probably send myself, like, around $10,000, like, a month.
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Willingly? Willingly, he was sending me my rent, my bills.
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Like, we would go out, and I would send myself money from his phone, and at the end of the day,
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he wouldn't care. He'd be like, okay. Like, just make sure you spend it on something you, like,
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So you'd open up his phone, go into your Venmo, cash app?
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Yeah, I was at a really low place in this time in life.
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So I stopped talking to him probably, like, a little bit earlier this year.
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Um, because I was, like, dancing and trying to survive.
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So, um, my means of, like, taking money from him was, like, I don't have to be at the strip
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And so, uh, but now you're a bit more serious about your faith?
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Well, I got baptized last year, and it's not more about being serious.
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I think it's just the fact that not everyone is going to come to God.
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Like, it's not easy to just leave that lifestyle behind.
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So it's, like, you have to realize, like, that's, like, a long time of being involved
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The fast money is, like, something really hard to let go of.
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And wait, so, but now, do you regret some of the past, the scamming?
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Um, I feel bad for what I did to him, particularly, because I probably took over, like, $250,000
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Like, he paid for me to get, um, plastic surgery, like, my breast done, liposuction.
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Like, yeah, I regret what I did to him personally.
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But at the same time, like, I was in a place where I was being very selfish.
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And I don't regret it, because I've learned that, like, a lot of those trials, like, I
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feel like God was bringing me through to be where I am now, to understand girls that were
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And God, just to be clear, God was bringing you through the liposuction and fake breasts
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It was more of, like, a me thing, because I was insecure.
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And so, any of this money that you accrued from him, have you returned anything?
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Fast money is, leaves you faster than it comes.
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Right, but, I mean, you, you, look, you say some of the money he willingly gave you.
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Right, but perhaps that might not necessarily be so subject to return.
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But, I mean, the money that you essentially stole from him, or you said you'd go into his
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You spent that money, but you did take it from him.
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So, for example, if you were to come into money of your own, would you consider giving
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When we, like, ended whatever the relationship was, I, like, he still was trying to give
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You said towards the end of your relationship, he was still trying to give you money?
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Well, putting that aside, even granting you that the money that he was willingly trying
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to give you was fine, you did admit to taking money from him unwillingly.
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Like, he realized everything, like, towards the end, and he was still, like, I want you
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It appears you don't just lie about your body count.
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Well, so, perhaps he has forgiven you or accepted that you stole the money, but don't
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you feel some duty to just pay him back regardless?
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Honestly, the last conversation we had, I felt as if, like, because he was, like, you
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should just stay with me, and I'll give you, like, the life you deserve, the life you want.
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I very much felt like that was, granted, the enemy or, like, the devil, whatever you
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guys want to call it, trying to drag me back into that lifestyle, because that was, like,
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the last thing I was holding on to from just being in that, like, area of life.
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You knew that you were never going to actually be with this person.
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You knew that you were in a fake effianced relationship with him.
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What Brian is looking for is he's looking to see if you hold any accountability for that.
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If the entirety of the relationship from a person who you were falsely engaged to was
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done under false pretenses, then everything in which he spent and that you took under
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But I also think, like, if we look at it from another standpoint, when I was in that time
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of life, I was also looking at it as he's willingly spending all this money in the hopes
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Because that was the end goal, to get married to a theft act.
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Well, yeah, you told him that you wanted to be his wife.
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The IRS should have forensic accountants assigned to the watching of these podcasts.
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No, the ring was given to me, like, out of him...
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He had talked to somebody in, like, Columbia, and I, like, saw it in his phone, and I, like,
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fake got mad, and so he was like, here's a ring, like, I want you to marry me.
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Because he had asked me drunkenly at a restaurant, and I was like, sure, you just spent, like,
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$4,000 taking me shopping, yeah, if you want to marry me, okay?
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So then, okay, so then, listen, if you say, this guy, though, he just was spending money
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on me because he wanted to have sex with me, he proposed to you, and you said yes, if that
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is the case, isn't his expectation that everything he's spending on you, or that you're spending
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on yourself, is from what is to be his future bride, why shouldn't he have the expectation
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Yeah, so this is, how could this not be 100% your fault?
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Because he was a willing participant, like, there was a lot of times we'd break up, I'd
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tell him, like, straight up, like, I don't want to marry you, I, you met me at a strip
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club, like, add this up in your head, like, this is not real, and he would very, like, much
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You say you're Christian, then you are commanded by Christ to perform restitution, return all your
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sinfully gained money, or be anathema, you won't, heretic Jezebel.
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I, you know, when someone's willingly still trying to participate in something that you've
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told them what it is, and they know exactly what it is, and they're still offering you
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money at that point, they're being a willing participant into it, like, at that point, what
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Well, so, let me give a, let me give a slight response here, because I think that this is
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Let us assume for a second that I were in, in some way taking advantage of a woman, where
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this woman had a lot of cash, okay, and I was telling her consistently that I wanted to
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I had even told her that I would marry her, and I was taking advantage of her over the
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If that woman became highly attached to me, of course she would become highly attached to
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I had essentially been playing into this delusion for the point of monetary gain.
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So, the attachment would not ordinarily be there if I had said no, but instead I had played
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into it for the purposes of basically monetary gain.
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That is not the same as a person willingly participating.
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That is a person being strung along and a person being essentially lied to.
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Well, there was, like I said, many instances where I told him what it was, and he even, like,
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kind of figured it out a lot of the times, like, what it was.
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He just played dumb to it to continue, like, the relationship, whatever it was.
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Well, yeah, he had formed an attachment, right?
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So, he had formed an attachment with you because you had told him that you wanted to marry him,
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So, he formed this attachment with you, and he was doing everything he could to reconcile
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Like, like, of course, of course that's what he would do.
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I mean, yeah, I guess I totally understand where you're coming from, and it's not wrong
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what you're saying, but, I mean, at the end of the day...
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But I lied about a lot of stuff to him, but at the same time, it's like, the times that
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I did come clean to him, and I was like, look, I don't want to do this anymore.
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You know, and I told him straight up what it was.
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Yeah, but you're still using this caveat where, after I had started to come clean to him
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about the fact that these were mostly lies that I had told him this type of thing, at
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He had an attachment which had formed around you based around your lies.
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This attachment never would have existed, though, absent your lies.
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He's still being victimized, even if he's trying to reconcile the relationship, he's still
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being victimized by even trying to reconcile it, because he has an attachment which would
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He, you know, had multiple other women that he was, like, giving money to, so I don't
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Well, you know, it's really weird that suddenly he has multiple other...
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He didn't mention anything about other women that he was sending money to.
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I said he was talking to someone in Columbia that I found out about.
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Well, the thing is, is I think that if you string a person along and they become attached
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to you based around a set of lies, that even if they want to stay with you after they figure
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out that these are lies, in many ways, they're still being victimized.
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I don't see how the accountability here really just isn't on your shoulders, to be honest with
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Well, I honestly don't know what, like, denominations are.
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I just know I have a really good relationship with them.
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You owe him the dollar back in the IRS should death look into this.
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Did you get baptized at the St. Baptist, by chance?
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Well, yeah, okay, don't tell me what it's called, I guess.
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Sometimes, just by the name of the church, I can figure out the denominations why I ask.
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So, in any case, I guess, regardless of your denomination, yes, I'm a Christian.
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I'm not exactly sure where you're going with that.
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So, my question was, like, so, you know that, obviously, this world is not made perfectly in God's image.
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Even if it's not, like, as bad a sin as I was living in.
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I'm sure you've sinned, like, at least three times this past week.
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And it's not something that you feel that you...
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So, my thing is, is that, yes, what I was doing was wrong.
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I had not fully came to Christ and tried to live my life by him yet.
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I was still very much living by this, like, societal image of, like...
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I didn't like being called a city girl, but obviously that lifestyle of, like, take it, spend it.
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I want to look, like, live this, like, luxury lifestyle that it's all over social media.
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Like, I was 23, 24 at the time, and I was trying to just, you know, live my best life.
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Yes, but do you understand that the point of Christianity is the salvation of Jesus Christ due to his sacrifice for your sins?
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And that it's through Jesus Christ from which you were saved.
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Your sins can be washed away, but the material stain that you leave behind on the world, you're still responsible for the things that you have done.
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Christianity is not a form of salvation, which then states that all wrongs that you've done now are also washed away.
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In this material world, the non-metaphysical world, right, you have wronged this person horribly.
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That's why the chat is asking how you plan to compensate for that.
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Just saying that you have been saved, right, is...
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I don't understand how that somehow alleviates the burden of responsibility that you have.
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I mean, we're also talking about, like, a two-year-long relationship I had with this man.
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Like, I totaled a car due to him, so that was, like, $50,000 of my own money.
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Like, it was my car that I bought before I met him.
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Well, I took fault for it, because I just wasn't going to make him get a DUI.
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Also got a car in his name, and it, like, he rebooted, because he ended up not wanting
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Like, there's a lot of things that I know that I got my karma, if you want to say, or
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just, like, the world gave me what I was owed in that relationship.
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Like, I don't sit here and think that I'm, like, completely...
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Well, karma is a non-Christian value, just so you know.
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I'm just saying for, like, people that see it that way.
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If this was gender reversed, the male would be vilified.
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Funny, when it's the woman that does the victimization, it's still the man's fault for
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We're going to have to get the other people's intros, but we can perhaps come back to this
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I mean, I'm assuming there are, like, other people that you scammed, too.
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No, I had a sugar daddy when I was 20, but he just took me shopping, and he was, like,
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He didn't expect anything out of the, like, friendship.
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I feel like, you know, if you're a man going into a club trying to have sex with a woman
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and you're willing to pay for it, like, at the time, I just felt like that's kind
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Well, I mean, you have your own objections to it, but, I mean, whether they deserve it
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or not, I mean, so there's the, there's a civil and criminal component of fraud.
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But that's the thing, is I never said I agreed.
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Right, but even you seem to acknowledge that this is a scam.
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So, there's some component of you knowing that that's their expectation and you're kind
00:28:06.800
I went once when I was 18, 19, something like that.
00:28:12.720
Okay, so just picture, like, the worst men that are going...
00:28:16.420
First of all, I assume you wouldn't have sex with the random girl that you met at a strip
00:28:20.460
No, in fact, I didn't even spend any money, so you would have fucking hated me.
00:28:29.440
I loved when people would just, like, have conversations like this.
00:28:39.860
They almost kicked me out because I didn't spend any money.
00:28:44.940
I don't feel like they really deserve to get...
00:28:49.880
I just feel like what they were going in was to do something wrong and dirty.
00:28:55.340
If somebody breaks into your house and they steal your illegal drugs, you're still the
00:29:06.660
Because the interaction between the dealer and the person who bought the drugs was done
00:29:14.920
So the person who got the drugs consented to it.
00:29:17.940
Then the person who sold the drugs consented to it.
00:29:19.920
Though it's a crime, it's not a crime of consent.
00:29:23.380
If you had those, then, illicit drugs at your home and a person broke in and stole them, you
00:29:27.780
could report those drugs stolen and they would still go to jail for a crime and they should
00:29:32.740
So just saying that these people were perhaps morally reprehensible does not mean that you
00:29:42.080
You can't defraud people just because you think that they're scumbags, right?
00:29:47.920
Again, I was in a very different place in my life at this time.
00:29:50.700
Well, anyways, we can come back to it if need be.
00:29:59.620
Ben, we'll read your $69 one that came through earlier once we get through all the intros.
00:30:18.080
I live in Los Angeles and I am one of the hosts of the Glow Up Girls podcast and I'm
00:30:27.140
Did you go to university or college or anything like that?
00:30:36.780
And you've, before getting into the beauty industry, were you doing other kind of work?
00:30:55.080
The last 10 years I've been dealing with everything in the skin industry or skin care.
00:31:00.000
There's a, what was the one, the 69 that just came through?
00:31:02.480
I feel like I ought to read it just for, all right.
00:31:12.240
I'm 21 years old, from Monterey Park, and I am a manager at Topgolf.
00:31:27.240
I'm a licensed esthetician, and I specialize in sugaring hair removal.
00:31:31.020
I'm also on the podcast with Asia, doing the Globe Girls.
00:31:46.100
I went to Pasadena City College, got my associates there, and then went to the trade school to learn esthetician.
00:31:55.100
I'm right now studying business administration.
00:32:00.640
I live in Santa Barbara, and I'm a student right now.
00:32:11.140
I'm not really sure, but I want to be a lawyer, and I feel like it's a good background for when I transfer.
00:32:19.360
I grew up in Carpinteria, then I moved to Calabasas.
00:32:26.180
So you haven't taken any classes yet, so you don't.
00:32:29.540
Is that like social justice, or is that like criminal?
00:32:40.320
My name's Claudia, but my friends call me Cece.
00:32:44.280
I'm going to be 21 soon, though, like in like 12 days.
00:32:55.780
I go to the City College studying political science.
00:33:15.660
It is, to my knowledge, the fastest growing debate channel on the internet.
00:33:22.000
I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, and I occasionally enjoy engaging in debates
00:33:30.020
I will read the 69 one that came through kind of right there on the cusp.
00:33:36.220
Peacecraft says, I really want to know what these women think.
00:33:38.760
But before we do, I'd really like to ask them how they would feel if they didn't have
00:33:46.040
So, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
00:34:10.580
We're going to go around the table once more, and then we'll get to Ben's question.
00:34:20.080
So, are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married,
00:34:25.680
polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
00:34:28.440
If you're single, how long have you been single, and what's the longest relationship you've
00:34:38.880
I'm planning to get married next month, and my longest relationship was, like, seven years.
00:34:50.140
And you've been in a new relationship for one year, you said?
00:34:54.040
From what age to what age was your seven-year relationship?
00:34:58.180
It was, like, on and off the last three years of 15 to 22.
00:35:22.360
Yeah, we would just break up, because we have a daughter.
00:35:26.440
So, we broke up for, like, six months, and then we got back together for a year, and then
00:35:34.020
And you had the child how long into the relationship?
00:35:38.440
Actually, when we broke up when I was, like, 16, I got pregnant.
00:35:43.340
So, two years into the relationship or something like that.
00:35:55.980
That's why I danced, because he barely pays anything.
00:36:11.660
But hang on, just to ask, with such a low number, does he have joint physical and legal
00:36:24.660
So, he gets the kid every other week or weekend or something like that?
00:36:39.400
I pay for all her dental care that comes out of pocket.
00:36:42.300
I pay for all of her school clothing, her school.
00:36:47.340
He literally, at this point, is living in a one-bedroom with my daughter and his girlfriend.
00:36:51.880
But does he have, does he have, uh, half, half the custody, though?
00:36:57.840
Does he have her half the time, is my question?
00:37:01.700
So, I mean, if he has her half the time, why, why would he need to pay you support?
00:37:05.420
Just, just, you know, like, that's, that isn't, isn't that absurd to make the request
00:37:09.560
that if the father has the kid half of the time, they're already taking care of, of,
00:37:18.400
Most of, like I said, I pay for most of her clothes, most of everything, even when she's
00:37:31.400
But what I'm saying is, like, I pay for a majority of her health care, everything like
00:37:38.680
Like, he should have less time, is what I'm saying.
00:37:41.240
Wait, is it, uh, it's, and it's gone through the court system?
00:37:44.580
So, it was, uh, yeah, like, four years ago, three years ago, when we broke up.
00:37:56.240
And then, uh, you said, unfortunately, he gets.
00:38:03.280
Uh, no, I would love for him to spend time with her, but I, it's unfortunate
00:38:08.340
because it's not, like, used productively, and he's just not, I don't feel like taking
00:38:18.740
It's a damn good thing that you, that, uh, women in this situation don't get to make
00:38:22.880
that adjudication because, um, from the perspective of many women, they're always going to think
00:38:29.480
that they're the better caretaker than the man.
00:38:31.660
We have no demonstration of evidence to the contrary, and there's no way for us to have
00:38:36.400
But if he has 50% custody, then I think that whatever argument that you have for needing
00:38:42.560
Well, I just feel like the court system pities a single father sometimes, um, especially
00:38:57.120
Remember, fellas, 50 to 50, and it doesn't matter how broke you are, she will keep coming
00:39:04.560
She is all women, and she will blame you for it in public.
00:39:09.560
There's another one coming in right now, so I'll just preempt it.
00:39:44.660
He was, you were going to have to pay him child support?
00:39:46.860
Yeah, he had requested it at one point for me to pay child support.
00:39:50.260
He had, like, gone to welfare and asked for all this help because he just didn't want to
00:39:55.640
Because if he doesn't have a job, they can't take money from him.
00:40:02.620
No, because I had proof he was working under the table as a security guard.
00:40:06.440
Well, but, like, weren't you making all this money, too?
00:40:11.780
Um, this was at a time where I wasn't, like, I wasn't dancing as much or doing, I didn't,
00:40:18.140
I mean, you said this guy gave you, like, you dated him for two years, right?
00:40:25.040
No, before the, um, like, I guess, sugar daddy or whatever you want to call him, fake fiance.
00:40:37.120
Like, after he tried to take me to court to get him to pay, to get me to pay him.
00:40:41.860
But, I mean, were you, because, I mean, there's assessments when it comes to child support.
00:40:55.680
I mean, Apple Cash, like, reports what you made.
00:40:59.120
But if you guys are 50-50, why aren't you paying him child support?
00:41:01.780
It sounds like you would have been out earning him.
00:41:03.660
You said you made $250,000 over the course of two years.
00:41:09.960
That's just, like, an estimate, because that's also including, like, what he spent on shopping
00:41:13.820
and my, me getting my boobs done and all of that.
00:41:20.280
But you said you would, like, send, you'd get his phone, you'd send yourself, like, $5,000.
00:41:25.340
In total, out of everything, because, like, just my breasts were, like, $50,000.
00:41:31.000
I went to, like, a really well-known doctor in Beverly Hills, which.
00:41:35.880
So, I mean, it doesn't, it was, like, altogether, like, close to $250,000.
00:41:42.260
Well, she also said that he knew she was taking the money.
00:41:48.640
Like, he would see, like, oh, I sent you $2,000.
00:41:55.340
He's like, okay, well, you know, I'm not going to give you money, like, next week or something.
00:41:59.980
Well, yeah, because you were supposed to be his future wife.
00:42:05.120
But if we really go based off of that, he was also talking to other women.
00:42:09.960
And I would like to add, do you not think a 52-year-old man knows what's happening with
00:42:24.200
If the burden of evidence was that this gentleman had not.
00:42:29.200
If the burden of evidence was that this gentleman had not.
00:42:35.700
Seriously, Brian, you think she reported the $250,000 in cash to the IRS?
00:42:47.020
And I can see that the sisterhood of accountability is driving right in here, right?
00:42:57.020
But to dive in, can you explain to me how this man was not victimized by this woman?
00:43:07.000
I think you're being really dramatic by using the word victimized.
00:43:12.020
He did know she was taking the money, and he was willing.
00:43:23.740
She literally said he was taking, she was taking money under false pretenses and called
00:43:39.680
But would it be more fair if I was having sex with him?
00:43:46.940
Do you think that means I'm being very truthful about my intentions?
00:43:59.280
But what I'm saying is I think that there are segments of men that understand that what
00:44:05.500
they are paying for and that this is the situation that because they are paying for attention.
00:44:13.820
How do you somehow manage to do the mental gymnastics necessary after she tells the entire story,
00:44:21.500
explains it herself as a scam, says she took this money under false pretenses to still
00:44:26.220
somehow try to justify it as her being the victim?
00:44:34.240
You started this entire engagement by saying he knew exactly what he was doing because he's
00:44:38.040
53 years old, implying that she's actually being victimized here.
00:44:43.480
What I said is, do you not think that he doesn't?
00:44:46.220
He may not know that or he may not understand that that's what he was paying for.
00:44:50.520
But what I'm saying is there are segments of men that do pay for attention from younger women.
00:45:00.860
Older men pay for attention from younger women.
00:45:03.080
Do you agree that there are segments of men who eat watermelon?
00:45:11.280
What the fuck does that have to do with scamming a man?
00:45:14.200
What is saying there are segments of men who do X have anything to do with the current conversation
00:45:21.140
She's talking about scamming her clients at the strip club.
00:45:33.000
But what I'm saying is let's consider maybe he knew what he was paying for as well.
00:45:43.400
So why is it that this needs to be looked at in the best light from the interest of the woman
00:45:54.120
Why should we instantly look at this as some sort of, well, he's 53.
00:46:03.580
Why should we assume that a person who makes the claim that they knew it was done under false pretenses
00:46:10.900
What do you think his incentive was to do that?
00:46:13.400
Although I, this may be anecdotal, but I am 52 and I speak to a lot of 52 plus year old men
00:46:20.000
that do tell me that they date younger women, pay for their bills because that's, they feel
00:46:28.040
Because after they get divorced, they want to go and feel like they're, they want their ego stroked and they want to be with a young girl.
00:46:40.220
Having talked now to hundreds upon hundreds of women on this podcast,
00:46:43.280
let me explain that there are many women who are in their early twenties who constantly seek out older men
00:46:49.260
specifically for the purposes of capturing their resources and they're in complete control.
00:46:54.840
They are in total control and they often do it under false pretenses.
00:46:58.760
And then when they're called out on the false pretenses for which they have done this under,
00:47:03.160
the sisterhood all gets together and makes excuses for her.
00:47:07.880
Why does the sisterhood all get together to make excuses for scam artist women?
00:47:14.520
I'm speaking for myself and I'm speaking to you about yourself.
00:47:23.980
I am defending her a little bit because you are coming down really hard on her and we're not
00:47:30.660
taking in consideration that the man and there are men that understand what they're paying for.
00:47:39.700
But if I may jump in, if I may jump in here a little, a little bit.
00:47:43.400
So let's just grant that everything that was given willingly was copacetic.
00:47:49.360
Although she does seem to concede that there was a component of misrepresentation as to her interest in him
00:48:00.360
But even setting all that aside, she admitted that she would go on his phone while he was drunk
00:48:06.940
and without his permission, without his consent, send his money, like, to her.
00:48:15.280
In what universe are you prepared to actually defend that specific action?
00:48:32.860
Andrew, not in studio, safe from the lint roller.
00:48:49.460
If a woman is being victimized in some way, I'll let your imagination run wild,
00:48:55.900
does that change the degree to which she's being victimized?
00:49:13.260
A woman's being S-A-ed, but she knows she's being S-A-ed, so it's okay?
00:49:29.740
So in this situation where this man is essentially, I don't know if it's wire fraud,
00:49:34.580
if it's what kind of theft exactly, the legal term for what's going on,
00:49:39.040
she's going on his phone without his permission, it's theft.
00:49:44.620
This is felony-level money that's being moved around here.
00:49:58.800
A scam is a scam is a scam, and you forking know it.
00:50:01.820
The fact you charlatans defend this sort of actions is what sets women as a whole back
00:50:14.040
So, again, like, he, she claims, we don't know his story, she claims he was aware of this.
00:50:21.160
But then, if he was aware of this, why, why would she need to secretly do this?
00:50:26.520
Couldn't you just have asked for money instead of having to secretly go on his phone and just
00:50:31.780
Well, because he wasn't getting sex, like, he would sometimes be more greedy, obviously.
00:50:38.620
Well, because he, I would ask for the money, and he'd be like, oh, well, like, you know,
00:50:42.340
you don't even want to, like, kiss me, you don't even want to, like, make out with me.
00:50:45.560
So, like, I don't, I don't know, like, I already sent you, like, this or that.
00:50:48.840
And then the next day, if he, he would see the transactions.
00:50:51.800
He wouldn't, like, ever get mad about it or, like, ask me, like, why did you do that?
00:50:59.720
Like, you know, if you're going to, I, yeah, you did ask me for the money.
00:51:05.840
This seems a bit dubious, but in any case, you did seem to.
00:51:14.600
And then after he took it, he's like, well, okay.
00:51:17.180
After he, he's like, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
00:51:21.380
This is, like, a man that was, like I said, he was spending money to, like, other women in other countries.
00:51:25.580
He was the type of guy that flies to Columbia to just get some pussy.
00:51:33.800
That's what he did on the side and you discovered this.
00:51:36.820
How would him being a serial killer justify your actions?
00:51:40.600
Okay, say I wasn't me and I was an innocent bystanding, or an innocent girl that actually wanted to be in a relationship with him.
00:51:47.980
And he's going off of this pretense of, like, I want to be your husband.
00:51:55.260
But he's still talking to these other women in Columbia.
00:52:03.500
What I love it was that, okay, you're going to either do all the, like, the extra stuff you do to someone else, or I can just get, like, kind of, you know, what I need out of the situation.
00:52:15.180
Yes, if you were an innocent bystander and you were looking to have some kind of great, healthy relationship with this guy, and you really were in love with him, and you were doing everything right, and he was off gallivanting all over Columbia humping prostitutes, then, yes, that would be completely and totally wrong.
00:52:31.100
And that exactly was not happening in this case, was it?
00:52:35.880
Yeah, but you guys clearly do not understand, like, the caliber of man he was was not one of, like, honor.
00:52:47.020
So, this is all justifying bad behavior, right?
00:52:55.040
Instead of the justification, where does the responsibility portion come out?
00:52:58.700
Oh, I've taken my responsibility of this already with him, like.
00:53:02.060
No, all you do is make justifications for how horrible he was and that he deserved it.
00:53:06.880
Yeah, I am making, I'm making justifications for how I was acting at that time, but, like, that is not currently me, and that is not currently how I believe anyone should behave or act or do that to, like, I feel wrong for what I did.
00:53:21.220
I'm not saying I don't, just because I'm trying to have you understand where I was and what I was doing.
00:53:26.740
Like, yeah, at that time, I didn't see it as wrong.
00:53:34.000
Like, yeah, I did not give a fuck about him or how he felt.
00:53:40.580
So, the responsibility, who was responsible for this?
00:53:43.160
Yeah, I did take advantage of him, but at the same time.
00:53:52.240
Without you, none of this would have happened, right?
00:53:59.760
So, going back to you, I'm just a little confused.
00:54:07.660
You're trying to make it sound like I need to say that it was his fault.
00:54:12.380
I'm saying let's consider maybe he knew what the situation was.
00:54:23.400
You have all your podcast guests come on and talk about it all the time.
00:54:29.040
Men, there are a lot of men out there that pay for attention from young girls or any woman, any attractive woman, or anyone that will even pay attention to them.
00:54:38.400
Well, yes, they do it, but there's two components here.
00:54:41.300
There's the component of she's leading him on with absolutely zero intention of any romantic or sexual attention being received by him at any point.
00:55:19.080
I mean, she would have already tried to take me to court or press charges or something.
00:55:23.760
Well, I have to push back on this because how many women stay with abusive men?
00:55:29.680
Just because the women stay with abusive men does not justify the abuse that the woman is going through.
00:55:35.700
Well, she, I mean, she stayed with him, so she didn't go to court or anything or didn't go to the police, but he was smacking her around.
00:55:49.560
So, where he's going to is because you're saying, oh, he was a dirtbag, he deserved it, right?
00:55:58.680
The guys in the strip club are gross, they deserve it.
00:56:04.440
I'm only saying let's open up the possibility that he understood what he was paying for and what was going on.
00:56:17.560
So, let me give you a little bit of like an olive branch here.
00:56:22.400
I agree with you that there are men who exist in this world who, in that situation, would have known that that was going on.
00:56:33.200
And hang on, because you have zero evidence that that was the case, you should not leap to that assumption.
00:56:38.280
What it looks like is you're deflecting on behalf of somebody else in order to protect somebody else based on zero evidence whatsoever that that is the case, when all the evidence we've heard tonight is to the contrary.
00:56:49.120
I feel like he is someone that is used to spending money on women to have sex and to get what he wants out of them.
00:56:56.300
And the fact he knew I was abstinent at the time, I feel like the whole, oh, let me marry you, like proposing to me, was just a gist, thinking it would get us closer to intimacy.
00:57:09.200
And that was on the third date, because he knew that nothing was happening.
00:57:13.460
And at this time, he was already spending $4,000 on me on the second time we hung out shopping.
00:57:20.240
Like, he expected things to happen very early on that weren't happening.
00:57:24.560
And I feel like, you know, I told him, like, I'm not having sex until I get married.
00:57:27.700
Like, I just don't want to have sex with anyone like that, because I started getting closer into, like, my faith of knowing, like, my worth.
00:57:36.120
And I just didn't want to, like, entangle myself with a bunch of people anymore at that point.
00:57:40.080
Wait, you were, just to be clear, how long ago was this relationship?
00:57:43.460
Um, this started when I was, like, about to turn 23.
00:57:49.400
And you said you were waiting until marriage to have sex.
00:57:52.700
So you've been celibate for the past four years?
00:58:02.560
Uh, I fell into a really dark place in my life.
00:58:11.660
I mean, honestly, I was, I was, I feel like a lot of men can agree when you needed your ego stroked.
00:58:24.480
I was kind of, like, really losing myself again.
00:58:33.700
And then, um, and then several months later, I started dating my now boyfriend.
00:58:39.600
Uh, yeah, but we've been, like, on and on, abstinent, trying to not.
00:58:55.280
And then before that, it was, like, a month without having sex.
00:59:15.560
Yeah, I was going through some difficult things.
00:59:18.060
And then when were you, when were you baptized?
00:59:22.340
Was this before you, uh, decided to throw the abstinence out of the window?
00:59:29.100
Yeah, so, but it was before you threw the abstinence out the window?
00:59:36.600
Yeah, I was, I was baptized after I started dating my now boyfriend.
00:59:40.740
And you're, you're, and, and you're now boyfriend, are you, you're still engaged in,
00:59:48.060
And you're, and, and you're, you engaged in a sexual relationship with this person as
00:59:52.980
I, like I said, we're trying to, like, stay abstinent until we get married.
00:59:58.500
Trying, trying is a very strange, that's a strange, crazy holiday.
01:00:01.460
Trying is a very, yeah, because it's, it's really hard when you both lust after each other
01:00:05.580
and you're trying to, like, abstain from having sex when you obviously have a physical
01:00:16.080
I'm, my, my direct question to you is, are you engaged in a sexual relationship with
01:00:22.260
Yeah, but we haven't had sex in, like, a month.
01:00:29.760
Your current, so you said there was, like, a guy who you had a short fling with and a
01:00:35.160
Um, did they have to spend, like, have they spent money on you?
01:00:39.900
Well, my boyfriend made me a stay-at-home girlfriend, but that's only for the purpose
01:00:43.560
of, like, we are very, um, uh, what's the word?
01:00:48.920
We're very, like, I can't think of the word right now.
01:00:53.300
We're just, we know what we want to do moving forward with our relationship.
01:01:03.140
As the Hawk Tua girl said recently, what fills the hole often does not fill the soul.
01:01:21.400
Uh, wait, and, like, just curious, the, so there's the, the fling.
01:01:25.380
You said it was kind of an ego thing for you, right?
01:01:28.560
Just, so, like, was it, like, a one-night stand?
01:01:32.060
No, uh, we met, and we went on a couple dates, and then he went back, because he wasn't from
01:01:38.000
He went back to where he lives, which is, uh, the UK, and then we were, like, talking for
01:01:42.940
several months, and then I ended up going out there to see him.
01:01:45.740
How soon into the, like, was it the first date, second date, that you guys hooked up,
01:01:50.140
Um, I want to say the third date, because he was leaving.
01:01:54.180
So me, I was just thinking, like, you're leaving, and, yeah.
01:02:02.340
Um, it was, it was the first date, but I wasn't, like, again, I, that was, like, right
01:02:46.280
I mean, this two-year guy, I'm waiting till marriage, da-da-da-da-da.
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But the two most recent men that you've had sex with, one was, he was leaving soon, and there
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was absolutely no prospects of long-term relationship because he was leaving.
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I was, I was, yeah, no, I was, I was, like, I said, I was, like, in a low place, and I
01:03:11.060
And, but then your current boyfriend, first night.
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Yeah, because I was, again, like, I was not in the greatest place.
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Weren't you in a bad place when you were dating the.
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Yeah, it was a long period of, like, I was losing everything.
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But why does the 53-year-old get, I'm waiting till marriage, and then, like, these guys,
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And that's kind of what the whole aspect of it was from the whole, like.
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I'll tell you why we keep, we, we, we kind of keep getting confused.
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Keep getting confused because the post hoc justification, meaning every single time you kind of take
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responsibility for this and say, yes, I was using him and this and that.
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And it's a series of qualifiers that are bothersome, right?
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Yeah, I'm responsible, but he kind of had it coming.
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Yeah, I'm responsible, but he knew what was going on.
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Because the question really is, in this particular case, if you're using this guy and you scam
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this guy and you did all these, you know, horrific things to this guy, myself and the
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entirety of the audience is actually confused as to how this isn't just really, just kind
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of your fault and that you're just kind of playing fast and loose with the idea of, well,
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It doesn't seem like it had much to do with morality.
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You just didn't want to screw him because he was 53, right?
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The guy that I had met from the UK wasn't, I met him at a nightclub.
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And so it was, it, to me at the time, felt very destiny, stupid.
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And in that time of, like, I was slowly starting to let go of the 53-year-old.
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It was a fat ego stroke for me to, like, completely change my life within, like, a manner of, like,
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It's not something, and I think that's kind of, like, what I was trying, I guess, to bring
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to the show is that, like, I feel like you guys interview a lot of girls and don't realize,
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like, getting out of the fast money is not easy and it's really hard to do that gracefully.
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And even, like, you're saying, like, you know, I'm not taking ownership.
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I'm taking ownership 100% that I, what I did was wrong.
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Yeah, he doesn't, he's still trying to give me money.
01:06:03.400
Wait, so, Andrew, I think we gotta also just address, like.
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Like, bro, you should, as a dude, you should not be spending, I don't care if you're trying
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to bag, like, a younger girl, like, a younger woman, whatever.
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Like, you can't be spending this kind of money on, on a chick.
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I'm not willing to go the what about the Mendo argument.
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In this case, I see somebody who's clearly been victimized.
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And he's clearly been victimized for multiple crimes.
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And even if right now this person's still pining after this woman, this was all done
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under a false assumption of a potential for some type of long-term relationship by her
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So, even the feelings, which he could be feeling right now, he may not ordinarily have had if
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So, I'm just not willing to put the ball back in his court for responsibility just yet.
01:07:01.700
Oh, I'm not, I'm not, like, saying that there's no, uh, there's no blame on her.
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But I'm saying, like, you meet a stripper in a strip club, uh, or even if you meet a normal
01:07:15.780
woman, you should not be spending this sort of money, uh, on a woman.
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Like, you shouldn't be spending this kind of money.
01:07:33.260
So, I agree with you in spirit, but let me kind of make, uh, just a bit of a counter-rebuttal
01:07:38.640
Um, so, grandma gets called by a scammer at Target, goes down to Target, spends $500 on
01:07:48.540
You'd say, grandma, you're getting suckered and this and that, but who's the victim there?
01:07:54.100
You wouldn't tell grandma that, you know, grandma was, was, um, you know, you wouldn't
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You would tell grandma, like, look, you can't be doing this.
01:08:05.020
But you're doing that so that they avoid being suckered in the future, not because they themselves
01:08:13.400
Well, let, so let me ask you this, though, Andrew.
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So, I'm sure you would agree that there are some scenarios where men are, they have, they
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have agency and they're just willfully giving women this sort of money.
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And so I, there's certainly a hundred percent like the grandma example.
01:08:38.880
There's women who are doing, running love scams on men, but there are also men who are inclined
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to just give this money away to women who, the women themselves, I'm not saying that's
01:08:47.780
even the case for her, the women themselves are not necessarily, uh, angling to scam the
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So there are men who will just like, the woman's not asking for it.
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They'll just like, they'll be soliciting essentially this sort of dynamic.
01:09:06.600
And you're talking about the pay pick phenomenon, which we've so often kind of, uh, run into on
01:09:14.240
However, I'm not convinced in this case that that is what's going on.
01:09:18.120
And I haven't, as I'm kind of piecing this together from the story, I'm not, that's not
01:09:23.780
I'm hearing that this guy is moving towards, now she says that, that she thinks that he's
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moving towards, um, I want to marry you so that she'll be physically intimate with him.
01:09:35.720
But it could also be the case that he did just want in a long-term relationship with her.
01:09:40.940
There's no way for us to, to know that for sure.
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What we do know for sure though, is that, uh, he did not want to give her some of this
01:09:48.440
money and she would just transfer it to herself.
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And then later he would just say, well, fine, I guess since you did it, there's nothing I
01:09:58.000
So I, I'm not sure exactly what he's done, which is wrong here.
01:10:03.680
Well, it's hard to say without knowing the full details.
01:10:05.840
We're only getting, we're only getting one side of it.
01:10:08.280
I imagine there's some degree of, of nuance here.
01:10:12.480
Um, I mean, look the, this grandma example, I don't know if that maps on 100% one-to-one
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because typically, typically, you know, with these, uh, these older people, they'll call
01:10:24.460
them up and they'll specifically target like much more elderly people, seventies, eighties.
01:10:30.240
And they'll say, um, your son, your grandson, your son's in jail.
01:10:34.520
We need you to wire this money to us, blah, blah, blah.
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Oftentimes these elderly people are, have early onset dementia or Alzheimer's, uh, perhaps
01:10:46.720
Um, a 53 year old man, I think would have a little more agency in this situation than
01:10:55.000
Um, again, I'm not excusing what she's, what she's done here, but to go into a strip club
01:11:09.660
I totally agree with you that that is a bad choice for you to make long from a longevity
01:11:15.780
point of view, but Brian, you can't actually say that there's something immoral about it.
01:11:29.240
So just like, so I think in the grandma analogy, it's the same thing, right?
01:11:32.500
Grandma, it's a bad idea to let these scammers take advantage of you.
01:11:40.700
She still got scammed and the scammers got the gift card.
01:11:43.540
So it's like, I'm not sure what to beat this guy up over other than being stupid.
01:11:59.660
I mean, at least by the, the admissions that have already been made, I think there's, um,
01:12:06.000
No offense, uh, in terms of the conduct from the lady over here, but what I did, um, in
01:12:12.780
any case, um, I do, I, I've got to get through the relationship statuses.
01:12:18.420
I think, I think that's one of the first times me and Brian have had kind of a significant
01:12:22.620
disagreement on the show and then hashed out like that.
01:12:25.320
It's a, I mean, there's been other times, I guess, but.
01:12:36.420
I'm just saying like buyer beware to some degree, I guess.
01:12:41.220
Well, the, the problem I have with this is I, and I see this all the time and it's, it's
01:12:50.300
It's like, as men, we understand that we can go to other men and say, look, you're
01:12:57.620
I'm going to give you a smack to the back of the head.
01:12:59.400
You know what the, what they do in the, the old school, right?
01:13:04.960
Um, you know, you, you got to stop fucking up, dude.
01:13:13.980
Whereas what I saw here tonight was just sisterhood stuff.
01:13:17.380
Which is just kind of shifting and saying, yeah, you know, girl, you didn't, yeah, it's
01:13:21.960
You know, there's all sorts of men who are like that.
01:13:28.960
And that's why I'm not so willing to kind of, um, move into the, yeah, this guy's a
01:13:36.340
And he kind of, you know, had it coming or this.
01:13:38.680
I'm not really willing to give them that because I don't see the women kind of pushing
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on their end for the responsibility taking aspect.
01:13:47.880
And it's like, if they're not going to do that, I don't know why we have to be so damn
01:13:59.800
I'm just saying that, um, this is, this is why I take kind of a issue with the, the idea
01:14:04.760
of the sisterhood is because, um, it seems that men are trying to correct.
01:14:09.900
And I just see kind of excuse making on the, uh, the women's side most often on these podcasts.
01:14:17.820
So one of the things that, uh, I'll often bring up that comes up frequently is the, like
01:14:24.340
And like this scenario right here is actually like precisely why it irks me so much where
01:14:29.900
there's like one standard, there's a standard, oh, I want to wait three months.
01:14:36.920
And then like either concurrently or immediately after they'll immediately just have sex with
01:14:47.840
Well, I think, I think the thing that irks you so much about it is what, what's what the,
01:14:54.420
So the idea is, um, I didn't do this with this guy because I want it to be virtuous.
01:15:00.500
When I did, but then I just did it right away with the next guy.
01:15:03.140
And so it's like, well, it doesn't seem like you're very consistent then with your virtuosity.
01:15:10.260
And so of course, from the guy's perspective, he's going to feel like that's pretty horrible
01:15:15.040
that you led me on for two years and kind of thought that I was a lesser than the guy
01:15:20.040
that you were willing to hook up with within the first night or a week or whatever.
01:15:25.280
I always thought that it was a very compelling one.
01:15:27.180
Um, whether or not I spiritually agree with it, it's still a very compelling argument.
01:15:33.900
So maybe I'll, we'll get back to the relationship status here in just a moment, but ladies, how
01:15:39.740
So you've been dating a guy for two years and this is the guy you want to get married
01:15:51.040
I really need longer before I'm ready for that sort of commitment.
01:15:55.820
Inevitably, you guys end up breaking up three months after the breakup, he immediately starts
01:16:12.520
But he, so he was saying the whole time there's, and he was saying like, I should have made this
01:16:18.260
He's been saying the whole time, there's no way I could ever like be ready to marry a
01:16:27.060
And he says that I would never consider marrying a girl unless I dated her for three years and
01:16:31.820
we lived together, did all this stuff, blah, blah, blah.
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I would just consider I was just the placeholder girl.
01:16:38.600
I wasn't, I mean, I'm not going to be happy about it, but it is what it is.
01:16:42.920
And perhaps the better framing would be, actually.
01:16:47.940
Also like, you know, maybe she offered something I, you know, he didn't see in me in those three
01:16:53.200
I would feel like she has something that I didn't have to give to him.
01:16:57.140
And so, and plus I would try to like feel like I took somewhat responsibility for him.
01:17:03.740
Why, I'm wanting to marry someone because I trained him to be who he is today.
01:17:10.640
But it would, I mean, it would make you feel pretty bad, right?
01:17:17.400
So that's why, that's why that scene and why guys like Brian see that as a red flag.
01:17:22.760
So there's, there's kind of the two ways to look at this.
01:17:25.740
The one way to look at it is, well, wait a second.
01:17:28.580
If you want a woman with a low body count, then you probably shouldn't be sleeping with
01:17:32.940
women because you add to their body count, right?
01:17:36.900
But on the other hand, how would it, how would it make you feel to know that you were trying
01:17:42.540
to do everything in the most virtuous way possible and you were dating a woman and she
01:17:48.160
said, listen, I, uh, I want to abstain due to virtue as well and wait until marriage.
01:17:54.280
And then you guys broke up maybe, let's say after nine months, and then she slept with
01:18:02.360
I mean, from the man's perspective, wouldn't it make them just feel like just shit?
01:18:08.960
And they got screwed over for doing everything correctly.
01:18:13.160
I would feel like it was meant to be then because then it wasn't a match.
01:18:17.660
People are removed from your life for a reason.
01:18:20.500
And I would just be thankful that that happened.
01:18:24.000
I'm not, I'm not even making the dispute that that's not, that that couldn't be true.
01:18:29.320
All I'm asking is, wouldn't it make you feel like shit?
01:18:34.840
And that's, and that's why, that's why it's seen as a red flag is like, why would I want
01:18:39.820
to make all of this investment in a woman who then comes to me and says, I want to have
01:18:48.460
And then I found out in her last relationship, she slept with them the first night.
01:18:52.000
As a man, why are you going into like women's past relationships like that though?
01:18:56.100
I feel like if you're dating someone like the passionate matter.
01:19:05.320
If a man has a history of domestic violence, does his past matter?
01:19:10.060
Then is there anything else you wanted to add to that?
01:19:11.820
But I'm saying like, I wouldn't go digging into his like ex-relationships like, oh, when
01:19:19.840
If you, if you were told by a friend of yours, if you were told by a friend of yours that
01:19:24.080
a man you were dating had a history of, of domestic violence, you wouldn't go digging
01:19:28.860
I actually got told a lot about my current boyfriend.
01:19:32.440
Like people came up to me and were telling me things about him when we went out and from
01:19:37.320
seeing his character, like I knew that that was just bullshit.
01:19:45.380
Cause I didn't care about what was happening previously.
01:19:48.420
What if you were told that he had a history of a kid diddling?
01:19:51.080
Would you go poking around then since you have a daughter at home?
01:19:55.640
If he, if, if, if he, you were told he had a history.
01:20:10.300
If someone's eager to obviously meet my daughter, like, oh yeah, like bring me around your kid.
01:20:15.380
I use my discernment on, that's why he's the first person that ever met my daughter.
01:20:18.960
Do you think that they're just going to announce themselves and all their creepy vibes are just
01:20:23.680
But I feel like you can tell when men are like, you know, like, oh, why don't you bring
01:20:28.920
Like I had, I've dated people that wanted to meet my daughter like very early on.
01:20:33.300
Like, why do you want to hang out with a five-year-old?
01:20:36.980
Would you allow somebody who had ever diddled a kid around your daughter?
01:20:40.880
Well, then I guess their history matters, doesn't it?
01:20:44.380
Well, I think as men and women nowadays, we need to do our due diligence and we need to
01:20:51.620
And you have to draw the line as to what's too much homework and, you know, stay within
01:20:57.620
that boundaries of just doing your research on that individual just to protect yourself
01:21:04.280
And if you have kids, you've got to protect them as well.
01:21:07.260
So I'm all about like doing research on someone, but not to let it go too far where it's going
01:21:12.480
to just totally steer you in the right direction.
01:21:15.160
Well, yeah, I, I understand what you're saying.
01:21:17.220
So, and I think, I think that this is a more charitable way to view things, right?
01:21:21.740
You can, if you nitpick anybody, you can always find something that you're going to be upset
01:21:27.340
with or mad about or some decision that they made that could potentially make a red flag.
01:21:35.820
I think that that's probably way outside of the gate.
01:21:38.740
However, you have to admit that some things, which would be red flags are, have got to have
01:21:45.620
So domestic violence, for instance, that's going to be a high priority.
01:21:50.820
There's going to be things which are going to be bigger red flags than other things, right?
01:21:55.380
Like I think that Brian having OCD, for instance, likely isn't going to be as big of a red flag
01:22:00.880
as if Brian hypothetically beat up his last girlfriend, right?
01:22:05.260
Which one of those would you say is the bigger red flag?
01:22:10.060
Some people might not want to deal with someone.
01:22:12.060
Someone might not want to deal with someone having OCD.
01:22:15.000
I think there's deal breakers and then there's things that you can kind of deal with.
01:22:19.040
But so I'll grant to you that there could be one human being or two or three or 20 human
01:22:24.920
beings who would qualify that OCD would make them more uncomfortable than a man who had
01:22:32.300
Do you think that most people, that that would be a priority for them?
01:22:36.060
That OCD would in some way trump a history of domestic violence?
01:22:43.220
So that's why I'm saying I think that there should be a prioritization of what these red flags
01:22:48.000
are, but I agree with you in spirit that if you just go crazy trying to dig into every
01:22:53.660
little aspect of any individual, you're going to find something.
01:22:58.000
So I'm going to table this just so we can come back to it, but I want to get everybody's
01:23:04.180
But before we do, Nick, can you pull up Twitch real quick?
01:23:10.600
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Guys, it's been a minute since we last got a Prime.
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That's not where I was going with it, but okay.
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01:24:16.040
Oh, and I've been single for a year and a half from that 10 year.
01:24:42.500
The 10 year relationship is the one with your son's father?
01:24:47.600
So your marriage, how long did that relationship last?
01:24:54.800
And so the 10 year one ended a year and a half ago?
01:24:59.680
But that's, the 10 year one's not the father of your kids?
01:25:24.820
Sorry, not married, in the 10 year relationship.
01:25:36.540
And then the three, at what age did you have your son?
01:25:44.420
And is, uh, did your, the father, did he pay you child support?
01:25:50.500
We had 50-50 custody and I made more money, so...
01:26:02.060
Question, had he earned more than you, would you have, uh, seeked child support?
01:26:08.240
Of course, because I wasn't making a lot of money at the time.
01:26:11.160
But you said you were making more money than him.
01:26:14.640
It, but you're saying if the role was reversed and he...
01:26:16.760
Well, so you, uh, you said that you were making more money than him, but luckily he
01:26:21.380
didn't seek child support because he would have been awarded it.
01:26:24.120
But had you been making less than him, you would have almost certainly seeked child support.
01:26:28.640
I would have needed it, living in Los Angeles for sure.
01:26:35.240
But if, if you were earning more than him and you would have needed the child support living
01:26:47.200
But you're asking if he would have made more money at the time, would I have asked for child
01:26:53.120
But so then he would have needed the child support, right?
01:27:03.260
So yeah, he would have needed the child support.
01:27:13.240
Um, when he was in high school, we split large bills, but for the most part, I covered his
01:27:20.000
When he was old enough to have a cell phone, I paid for his flight school.
01:27:24.060
Um, I pay, he lives with me now, so I pay for everything, his groceries.
01:27:30.300
And, uh, any longer, so there's the 10 year, the three year, any other, what was the next
01:27:36.880
Well, before, um, probably just a couple of years, three years, maybe at the time.
01:27:48.280
And, um, you said you recently went on a, actually, before we dive in, I'll come back to it.
01:27:56.440
Uh, currently I am single right now and the longest relationship I've ever been in was
01:28:01.880
And I guess the, I was talking to somebody and we were dating like not too long ago, but
01:28:18.100
It barely lasted a month itself too, because we were best friends since high school, but
01:28:21.900
we thought it'd be a good idea to try getting into a relationship, but it didn't end up
01:28:26.200
From what age to what age was the 3.5 year relationship?
01:28:29.080
That was when I was in high school from freshman year to senior year.
01:28:33.840
What about the longest relationship you've had since you've been 18?
01:28:36.940
That was two and a half years and that was a circus.
01:28:43.420
Um, he was, he cheated on me a lot and he was a lot older too.
01:28:47.420
So it was hard like being or dating someone, um, that, I don't know, he was just a really
01:28:57.780
Uh, we went to court too because of certain situations, but it was because he cheated on
01:29:02.780
me and it was like a whole big thing with work and everything that we used to do together.
01:29:22.180
Um, I was married to my ex-husband for 27 years or actually 20 years, but we dated for
01:29:33.180
Um, so that's the longest relationship I've ever been in.
01:29:38.780
Um, just want you're dating one person, multiple people, just one person.
01:29:51.240
Uh, when you say off and on, how many times has it been off and on?
01:30:09.620
Um, I feel like I have major trust issues from my past.
01:30:14.180
Traumas and relationships with my, I guess, relationship with my ex-husband kind of did
01:30:22.020
And so I feel like when I'm in a relationship with somebody that it's hard for me to trust
01:30:27.000
So I'm really quick to bail out of a relationship rather than sit and fix it.
01:30:35.120
Um, so kind of like, I want to, I'll end things before you can end things kind of?
01:30:41.940
Um, not really like a competitive thing like that.
01:30:44.500
It's more like, um, I don't want to get hurt to the point where I'm like completely devastated
01:30:54.700
and in the dumps and trying to get out of the darkness per se.
01:31:01.220
So I try to cut it out, cut him loose as quick as possible so I don't have to get to that
01:31:10.540
And, uh, since the divorce, is this the only guy you've dated?
01:31:22.380
In the beginning, of course, casual, you know, but after that, um, yeah, I dated long term
01:31:30.180
after that, but I've only been divorced since 2020.
01:31:39.740
I've been single for a month and my longest relationship is just like short, it's like
01:31:47.720
You've been single for one month is the one that ended the month ago, the four month one.
01:31:58.400
And then the, uh, the guy who you broke up with or things ended a month ago.
01:32:05.380
We were dating for like three and a half months, but we were probably like together for like six.
01:32:12.460
And that, that's the one that ended a month ago?
01:32:22.900
I was at a party and, um, I got in the car with a guy who used to like me and I didn't
01:32:33.740
Cause I lied about it to him and he found out and he was like really upset about it.
01:32:37.460
And he was just like, I can't be with someone who lies.
01:32:39.320
I'm like, and he's like, you're going to Santa Barbara.
01:32:42.540
I'm like, cause I'm just not going to cheat on any trust.
01:32:54.720
I grew up like over here, but I've been living in Calabasas.
01:33:11.920
Like people have been like trying to talk to me.
01:33:14.500
I don't think they're like attractive or I wouldn't want to be around them.
01:33:21.460
How did you guys, how did you meet the last guy?
01:33:27.580
And so we were talking over Instagram for a while and then we met.
01:33:31.840
And then it turned out like some kid that I had grown up with had like been like best
01:33:37.440
So we were always like in the same circles, but we had never just met, if that makes sense.
01:33:46.360
And how did you take the news when he was essentially ending things with you?
01:33:52.840
I was just like, oh my gosh, like looking back at it, I'm kind of embarrassed because
01:34:01.500
I was just like, he was like looking at me like straight face and I was like bawling my
01:34:09.700
But in the moment I was just like upset and I was like, no, like you're kind of being
01:34:26.700
And then the next day he went out with a girl and I was like, dude, like technically we haven't
01:34:32.920
And he was like, well, it's not the same because you lied about being with the guy in the car
01:34:37.440
and I'm just getting lunch and going dancing with her.
01:34:41.520
And then the next, we didn't talk the next day and then the next day I wanted to talk
01:34:49.980
But then he was like, yeah, like I want to break up.
01:34:58.080
Do you like go out and party and anything like that?
01:35:02.920
In LA I would only like party like once or twice a month.
01:35:06.220
But obviously I expect that to like be different over here.
01:35:10.460
Do you think you'll be, I mean, Santa Barbara, a pretty big college area.
01:35:15.020
Do you think you'll be going out like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, partying and stuff?
01:35:21.760
But I'd like to like go out on like Fridays and Saturdays.
01:35:42.700
You did more than just get in a car with that other guy.
01:35:50.900
I know that's like bad looks, but like on everything I'm like, I can't even like, I don't know if
01:35:58.340
So basically he used to be my best friend, but then like he, as soon as he liked me, we
01:36:05.720
And I was like, I'm not going to say anything, but, um, my friends had like taken my keys
01:36:11.940
and I was like, guys, can I just sit on the car?
01:36:16.900
Like there was so many other people in the car with us.
01:36:34.780
Like he was like my friend, like, and he was so far in the friend zone and he knew it.
01:36:42.540
Like he would do stuff and I would like call him out on it.
01:36:52.040
Had there been boundaries drawn by the guy that you were dating about this guy?
01:37:04.360
So you've been seeing a guy for, were you in this, you were on the podcast like about a month ago or so?
01:37:10.260
Yeah, I remember I told you I was talking to him for a week.
01:37:17.860
Well, like he said he's going to ask me, but like, I don't know when.
01:37:22.220
The only thing that sucks is that he has to move back home in January.
01:37:36.560
The one that I bought PS5, that one was like six months.
01:37:47.760
Well, like, because I throw parties with my friends, and I met him there.
01:37:54.120
And he's going back somewhere in January, you said?
01:38:28.640
That guy, he said, what do you think about dismantling whiteness?
01:38:37.960
Going around the table, if you have any thoughts on that.
01:38:48.660
This isn't even the question I would want to ask, but he asked it, so I'm just going to
01:38:54.600
If you ask a question and the girls don't know, don't have a position on it, there's
01:39:16.100
I grew up in a white area, so I feel like sometimes people think I'm whitewashed.
01:39:23.000
He said, what does dismantling whiteness mean to you?
01:39:27.700
Is he asking us because he doesn't know either?
01:39:32.860
I mean, you got to define it in the, I don't know, I can't really help here.
01:39:41.280
Okay, here, I'll do a, I'll help this guy out a little bit.
01:40:08.060
Maybe we'll touch on it later, but, so, okay, let's get into the pre-show notes here.
01:40:15.600
So, Lori, ex-stripper, scammer, currently a stay-at-home girlfriend, was a sex worker stripper.
01:40:24.900
Were you, besides the stripping, did you do anything else?
01:40:29.260
I feel like even if you work at a Hooters, that's sex work.
01:40:52.360
If you're selling the fantasy of sex, you're a sex worker.
01:40:55.100
Even girls that work at Hooters are sex workers, even though they don't want to admit that.
01:40:59.920
Asia, you said that, I think, is this in your bio?
01:41:14.020
Because age is just a number in my mind, because I mentally feel younger than I am.
01:41:33.320
I feel as young as these girls sitting at the table.
01:41:42.060
I don't know if I'm just a little slow or something.
01:41:49.060
So, aging, kind of aging backwards, aging in reverse.
01:41:57.880
So, you don't object to, like, age gap relationships if, like, a 50-year-old is dating a 25-year-old?
01:42:12.160
And they are feeling, a lot of them feel very taken advantage of by their wives.
01:42:20.400
So, they like to date younger girls because they're more carefree.
01:42:26.740
You said that you went on, it was, you got out of your 10-year relationship.
01:42:37.200
You told yourself you would go on at least 21 dates to learn what you wanted.
01:43:01.740
I get hit on, but they live in other countries or on the East Coast.
01:43:29.280
So, I ended it, moved out of my tenure March of last year.
01:43:38.060
And the last date I went on was March of this year.
01:43:42.720
And how many dates, like the most dates you went on in one week?
01:43:59.600
I was kind of on a mission to get through the 21, because I really wanted to understand myself.
01:44:07.480
But the, the, the most compacted week was five in a week.
01:44:25.680
I still didn't find my person, so I continued to go on more dates.
01:44:31.440
And number 40 was, you know, after a month, he's like, hey, I don't want to, um, I'm all
01:44:41.320
We deleted the dating apps, and we were together, like, three and a half months.
01:44:46.460
But it didn't work, and then you had a few more dates after that, and then, uh.
01:44:50.540
Because you said that was number 40, but you went on 45.
01:44:53.420
Well, I was dating while we were still in the courting stage in that month.
01:44:58.320
So I went on five more dates from the time I met him.
01:45:00.800
Like, early on, but then he was like, let's be committed for a bit, whatever.
01:45:15.540
Um, and so, uh, none of the other guys, though, 40, none of them caught your eye?
01:45:25.240
Three, there were three men in the year that I had spent, um, about three months.
01:45:31.460
I feel like that's kind of the, the expiration date.
01:45:36.920
That I found is like, after three months, that's when people really start to become themselves,
01:45:41.180
and they start to really figure out if they can be with each other.
01:45:50.000
So, so how many of the 45 dates were only one date?
01:45:59.820
Because you said there were like three that were like longer.
01:46:04.740
But the last one was the only one that I was in, like, we, we were committed to just each
01:46:17.640
And then I found out he was hiding that he had a third child.
01:46:21.680
Um, so the, that betrayal and that trust was broken.
01:46:30.460
So after that, I decided just, just give it a break.
01:46:34.200
And so what was wrong with like all the, the 40 other guys?
01:46:43.420
Um, there were a lot of guys that, I don't know.
01:46:56.420
I think a lot of guys too, especially on the dating apps that I found when I was on them
01:47:00.800
is, um, both men and women, both, they don't have the best intentions.
01:47:09.560
And I did find out one of the guys that I went on one date with had a couple of girlfriends
01:47:20.000
So, and so I guess, uh, what were you looking for at the time in terms of what you're looking
01:47:27.360
for in the guy where there's some criteria, looks wise, personality?
01:47:32.320
I, I really wanted to find my person because I felt like I spent the last 10 years wasted.
01:47:41.600
I'm going to use air quotes as that because, um, he wasn't my person.
01:47:47.460
And so I was kind of on the fast track of trying to find my person and now in hindsight, realizing
01:47:54.180
like, don't force something that it's not going to work.
01:48:01.180
I went out, went on some fun dates and met some really cool, interesting people.
01:48:04.680
There's probably about three guys that I still talk to that I consider my friends.
01:48:08.460
There's no romance, but you know, we had like a great connection.
01:48:27.300
Um, so you did the, it was the, or it looks like 21 dates in three months, right?
01:48:36.600
Oh, and your pre-show notes, it just says 21 dates in three months.
01:48:46.340
You said, uh, I don't know if this was in one of your videos on your Instagram.
01:48:51.680
You said, I don't know if this is in your notes.
01:48:53.940
You said closer to what I want and what I deserve.
01:48:57.880
Maybe this is like in one of your videos that was on your Instagram.
01:49:01.540
When you say what I deserve, what do you deserve?
01:49:04.100
I want to be with somebody with old school values, somebody whose actions align with
01:49:09.960
their words, and also, um, somebody that, that, um, that I can count on.
01:49:26.140
So, um, from learning that I just wore the pants in the family this whole time and took
01:49:37.440
care of my son, I'm now looking for a man that has traditional values that wants to be
01:49:45.420
And, um, so I can relax a little bit and not feel like there's, the world is always
01:49:59.920
I want to be more in my feminine and, uh, I'm always going to work.
01:50:06.860
So I'm, I don't want to be a lady that lunches.
01:50:10.840
I don't understand what are, uh, traditional values though that you're, you're, I understand
01:50:16.280
that you want a man to provide for you, but what are traditional values?
01:50:20.800
Tradition for me, a traditional value is a man that, um, wants to protect and provide
01:50:34.560
I'm not, I'm not sure how that's a traditional value though.
01:50:37.260
I would say like being a leader in the relationship.
01:50:41.680
Let me, let me just, let me just, I just want to kind of inquire here.
01:50:49.460
That's what I consider a traditional value because I've not had that.
01:51:08.260
Is a traditional man who's willing to provide for you?
01:51:16.880
He supports, he supports my life and my goals as well.
01:51:21.640
Yeah, but I mean, if, if you want a traditional valued man and you want him to provide for
01:51:29.380
you, then the focus for both of you should be on his career and the advancement of him
01:51:35.240
so that he can then do that in turn for you, right?
01:51:40.300
But I am also at the age where I'm about, I want to retire.
01:51:43.660
So I'm looking for a man that, whose kids are also grown, that we're on the same level.
01:51:49.460
So we're on this, we have the same goals in life.
01:52:03.940
Uh, but again, you, I'm, I'm guessing that, I mean, you're only in your fifties, right?
01:52:16.160
I mean, you're, you're at least 10, but I mean, what did you say?
01:52:22.120
So you're at least 10 years away from retirement.
01:52:28.340
I'm not, I'm not willing to, to, um, compromise my standards.
01:52:37.260
So that's why I took a break from dating, because I'm working on myself right now.
01:52:42.980
And I know that once I'm whole within myself, then I will attract the right man.
01:52:52.260
And I don't, I don't know what that means, though.
01:53:05.360
I don't have, like, parents that are going to give me an inheritance.
01:53:13.500
And it's because I worked hard, and I made good choices in my life, career-wise.
01:53:20.500
And now I'm at a place in my life where I'm taking a step back.
01:53:28.240
Well, it sounds like you come with a lot of baggage.
01:53:37.400
But, I mean, you would have to agree that some people have a lot more than others, though, right?
01:53:42.040
Yeah, so, I mean, if you come with a lot of baggage and you want a man to provide for you, what is his incentive to do so?
01:53:49.780
Because I'm working on myself, and I'm trying to heal the baggage.
01:53:54.680
Yeah, but if he has a choice between, if a man who is successful enough to go and retire in Europe with you has a choice between you and other women who have less baggage, these other women, let's say, and they're not working on themselves, why wouldn't he just pick them?
01:54:10.780
I think what she's trying to say is she's trying to work to get to a place of finding that man.
01:54:19.940
Absolutely, because a man would have free will in me, but that's not my man.
01:54:27.400
So, maybe my person is somebody that has the same sort of background as me that also worked on himself and is looking for the same things, and I'm willing to wait for it.
01:54:40.160
So, you have to admit that that's going to be rare, right, to find a man who's going to retire you in Europe and deal with all your baggage if he has tons of other options which are available to him if you're just kind of working on yourself.
01:54:53.220
But I have the money to retire in Europe myself, so I don't need him to do that as well.
01:54:59.860
Because I want to find my person because I believe in love.
01:55:04.100
So, then you still have to have a competitive edge, right?
01:55:08.260
What are you hearing that I don't have that's not competitive with other women?
01:55:13.960
Well, you said that you still take care of a fully grown adult male, right?
01:55:18.460
Yeah, well, he's going through college now, and so he can stay with me until he's finished with school completely.
01:55:23.000
And you want this other male to take care of you, which I'm guessing means that he's going to primarily be using his resources on you and not your resources on him, right?
01:55:36.000
Yeah, I know, but he's going to bring a lot more of them.
01:55:43.400
I'm just asking for what the competitive edge that you would be bringing to the table at 53 would be for a man who would bring the resources necessary to take care of you for the rest of your life in Europe.
01:55:57.760
I think that it might take me longer, but I hear what you're saying.
01:56:03.080
And I'm not going to let you tell me otherwise that I'm not going to find my person.
01:56:35.280
It's like going to a stand-up comedian and being like, oh, tell me a joke.
01:56:40.240
It's a cheap shot, but it's just funny to say, right?
01:56:42.580
So whatever a woman says they're funny, it's just always been my experience that they're
01:56:49.300
But the thing is, even if you were in the category, hang on, even if you were in the category of
01:57:03.560
You bring a good sense of humor to the relationship.
01:57:05.860
Obviously, other women will be bringing a good sense of humor to the relationship as well.
01:57:09.440
I'm asking what you specifically are going to be bringing that other women in your age
01:57:32.200
They don't care about how successful a woman is.
01:57:34.220
They care about how pretty she is and how well she treats her.
01:57:38.760
I'm very pretty, and I'm smart, and I'm very sweet.
01:57:46.820
I have a couple things on this, but we do have somebody joining us on the panel here.
01:58:01.580
She doesn't speak English, though, so unfortunately we're not going to be able to ask her any questions,
01:58:07.940
but she can just kind of give facial reactions, and so buenos dias.
01:58:26.000
How do you say scoot into the table in Spanish?
01:58:37.060
Yeah, guys, Morgan was feeling a little unwell, so she had to go.
01:58:49.120
Anyways, I do want to really quick, just to piggyback on what Andrew was talking about,
01:59:05.860
They want you to be able to hold a conversation.
01:59:17.820
So then you're leading a girl on and telling her what she wants to hear?
01:59:25.340
So you're saying that if a woman doesn't look good, maybe she looks fat in a certain dress,
01:59:36.380
Or is there times where it's appropriate in a relationship to avoid kind of fights,
01:59:48.540
I love the long walks on the beach and the mojitos at night.
01:59:55.160
But, yeah, I don't think guys really care about the whole funny thing.
02:00:07.520
Maybe there's, like, three dudes that, like, really like funny women.
02:00:13.380
Like, there's three dudes in existence that want to fuck Amy Schumer.
02:00:18.940
I don't think there's ever been a woman who's like,
02:00:25.420
But after hearing that remarkable joke, now all of a sudden.
02:00:34.260
Oh, by the way, Andrew, I sent you a text message.
02:00:41.520
Wait, didn't you say you wanted, like, I forgot what it, I don't know if you said traditional or what?
02:00:48.200
What I'm saying is I just don't want to have everything always relying on me all the time.
02:00:57.160
So, you said you went on 45 first dates, right?
02:01:03.320
Of all the 45 first dates, would you say most of them would be, like, either a drink or dinner?
02:01:14.760
And of the 45 dates that you went on, who paid for the dates?
02:01:36.620
And then you said there were three guys who you dated a little longer than just, you know, most of these guys, one date, that was it.
02:01:56.180
I've never paid for a date, but I've offered to pay for dessert or, you know, something.
02:02:02.000
What would you say was, like, kind of the most, when these guys would take you out to dinner, for example, whether it was the first date or one of these guys you dated for three months, would, did any of them take you to somewhere a little pricier when it came to dinner?
02:02:18.540
What do you think is the most a guy spent on you on a first date?
02:02:27.140
He told me it was $3,000, but when I added it in my head, it was probably $1,500.
02:02:34.640
And he's the one that's still my friend to this day.
02:02:40.580
It was an Asian fusion restaurant in downtown L.A.
02:03:07.600
Yeah, so we were in a situationship for about three or four months.
02:03:20.160
What's the most that a guy spent on the first date?
02:03:25.420
I would say that would probably be the most someone's ever spent on me.
02:03:28.060
That one specific guy, would he continue to take you on like kind of fancier dates?
02:03:36.960
He's the one guy, the guy that I slept with, that's still my friend.
02:03:41.960
Because he did not want to be in a relationship.
02:03:49.980
So, no, he didn't want to be in a relationship.
02:04:02.540
Like, how many dates do you think you went on with him?
02:04:15.640
And he would always take you out to a fancy, nice dinner?
02:04:19.980
I mean, sometimes we had tacos from the taco truck, but...
02:04:23.320
But then other times, he'd spend $3,000 on a dinner.
02:04:28.580
And then, any of the other guys, the other three guys, would they ever fancy dinners?
02:04:35.960
But not one of these dinners you ever paid, correct?
02:04:39.600
You mentioned that you bring your success to a relationship.
02:04:47.100
And of the three men that you did have continuing, you know, more than just the first date.
02:04:52.640
So, I fail to see how your success, translation, your finances, your money, has anything to do with your attractiveness to a partner when you're not bringing that to a relationship by your own admission.
02:05:05.440
I think a lot of guys today in the state of California want a woman that does something in their life.
02:05:25.220
This is why men don't actually care about your success or your finances because we don't reap any benefits of your success.
02:05:34.060
So, when women say, well, I have these academic credentials and I have this high-paying job and I'm successful, I don't have debt, I have all this money.
02:05:52.860
I'm failing to see how your success or your money would be enticing to any of them given that they didn't reap any benefit.
02:06:03.640
That was only one date, but when you don't know...
02:06:06.360
I mean, you know after a couple of dates if you have chemistry with somebody or if you have compatibility.
02:06:13.960
But I don't see where you're going with it because I'm saying I have a job and that I bring that to the table that I work.
02:06:27.520
I feel, and I don't want you to take any offense to this,
02:06:30.240
I feel like your generation was very much taken into a woman has to have a job, has to be successful,
02:06:36.060
because it was kind of after the whole feminism thing,
02:06:39.280
and you guys were super brainwashed into being equal partners with the man,
02:06:43.920
and how you say you want a man with traditional values.
02:06:49.720
While that's been like slowly becoming the case, this is more so the case as time goes on.
02:06:59.820
It's not like, well, it was the case back then.
02:07:03.480
I'm not saying it's not, but I'm saying like everyone kind of from like...
02:07:06.140
No, but this 50-50 thing, it's not, it wasn't like boom in the 90s and then down in the 2000s.
02:07:13.320
No, but it's been climbing, climbing, climbing 50-50, but you're saying it was more so the case in her generation.
02:07:21.160
Okay, like most of, at least the people I know, like women from their 30s to around her age and their 50s are very much like,
02:07:30.020
they want to be more successful than putting the focus on like being, like you said,
02:07:36.060
being with someone and helping them with their career and focusing on like building a family and having children and taking care of their children.
02:07:43.320
They're more focused on like, I need to be successful so I find the right partner that matches me.
02:07:50.640
Well, I also grew up with a female as the role model.
02:07:55.460
My father lost his job and so my stepmother took over.
02:08:08.740
But again, so there were three men that you dated for about three months.
02:08:15.200
At no point in the relationship did your success or finances or money ever get into the picture.
02:08:23.280
So how could your success be what you're bringing to the table if none of the 45 men that you went on the first date with
02:08:30.240
and none of the three men that you had a three-month relationship with reaped any benefits of your success?
02:08:36.040
How can that be something that you're bringing to the table?
02:08:38.980
Well, those were men that I wasn't compatible with.
02:08:44.080
But my 10-year relationship, we split everything 50-50.
02:08:59.100
But I don't see where the 45 dates has anything to do with that.
02:09:03.520
Because you're just meeting someone for the first time.
02:09:05.900
In a previous relationship, you said you split everything 50-50.
02:09:09.500
But right now, you said you're looking for a man with traditional values.
02:09:12.580
When I asked you what those are, you said he provides for me.
02:09:19.040
But if that's what your criteria is, then Brian's saying, okay, if that's true, then
02:09:24.800
all of these dates that you went on recently, why would your success be something you're
02:09:29.700
If they're paying for everything, they clearly don't give a shit about that, right?
02:09:35.520
I didn't ask them if my success mattered to them.
02:09:39.140
I mean, you guys talked about all sorts of different things.
02:09:41.640
You guys talked about work and this type of thing, right?
02:09:48.660
If you just go deep enough to know that, hey, this is my person or we're compatible,
02:09:55.680
But so conceivably, even on the first date, you would say, well, this is what I'm bringing
02:10:04.740
He's like, I like that you work because if something were to happen, you're fine on your
02:10:16.300
Out of all the 45, that's the only time I can remember.
02:10:24.560
Well, after a while, not for the first date, but if we're dating, I have paid for things.
02:10:37.040
Like I paid for takeout once when they came over or something like that.
02:10:51.320
You ever take any guy out on a thousand dollar plus?
02:11:09.660
I have one who's still in the house that I'm supporting.
02:11:18.300
But so if what you bring to the table is your success...
02:11:28.680
Because I have an adult son that I'm taking care of by myself.
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Well, I'm not speaking about that thousand dollar plus.
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But I'm just confused if that's what you're bringing to the table.
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It doesn't seem like it's manifesting itself in any of the 45 dates that you went on.
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I don't care about those 45 dates because they weren't my person.
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I want to say that I've been on dates too with men where I've offered to pay for some of the tab.
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They get offended when you say, oh, here, let me help you.
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And I feel like it emasculates the man if you offer to pay for half of the bill as if they can't afford it.
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So it's almost like an insult or a slap in the face to them.
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I'm sure there's men out there that feel like it would be demasculating or whatever it is.
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But again, if you're saying that what you're bringing to the table is your success.
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But I guess I'm trying to explain why men don't really care about this metric.
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Well, do you think men get intimidated by women that have strong careers?
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No, we just don't want to deal with your bullshit.
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Well, what kind of bullshit happens when a woman is successful?
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So, well, at least from the purview of the traditionalist male, I think.
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So it seems to me that a traditional man wants his wife to be devoted to him.
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And so they want the family hierarchy to work like this.
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That is the way they want the placement of that hierarchy.
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So if the woman is devoted to the career and not to the husband, then it creates some type of problem within the set of the hierarchy.
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And so they tend to prefer that women stay whole and take care of children, and they take care of those issues.
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And so when you're talking about male betterment or men trying to work on themselves and trying to, you know, what is the adage?
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Six foot, six figures, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
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The idea here is that you can take care of a family.
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You don't want to have to compete with your wife's career or, you know, whatever your significant other's kind of externalities are to you.
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And then the exchange for that is that you take care of everything on behalf of them.
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But I, in a way, I think it is generational too.
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Now, when I talked to my 23-year-old daughter about her dating life, the guys that she dates or has she's talked to in the past, they want a woman that's going to bring 50% to the table.
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They want a working woman because things are so expensive now.
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And I think it's just more like a generational thing.
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I think, again, I think you're right in a sense and then in another sense maybe a little wrong here.
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If you say traditional, then yes, that's always going to be a generational thing because we're appealing to previous generations for what the tradition is, right?
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We're not making the generation this tradition.
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Or, you know, the tradition is not made this generation.
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If you're looking for a man who has traditional values, when I ask what are you bringing to the table, I'd be looking for you to bring similar traditional female values to the table.
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But what I see instead is that women seem to want to move into, I want a man to follow the traditional values of X, but I still want to be more in the set of a modern woman.
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And I don't understand how those two things get reconciled exactly.
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If you want a traditional man to provide for you and take care of everything for you, what are you bringing to the table?
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That question is talking in terms of tradition.
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Like laundry, cook, clean, tend to the kids, make sure he is taken care of 100% in the bedroom and outside the bedroom.
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Yeah, but I mean you guys are way past, I mean, I'm sorry.
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I don't mean this rudely, but you're past childbearing age, right?
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Yeah, so if that's the case, what are the traditional values you're bringing?
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You're not going to be looking after his kids at this point.
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So what is it specifically that is a traditional value you'd be bringing to the table?
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I think they want, a man wants a woman to, same, same kind of traditional, they want a partner.
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They want someone to come home to that they can trust, that they can count on.
02:16:56.640
Right, well, someone needs to be a leader and someone needs to be the submissive one, right?
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Well, someone who is going to care for the leader in the household, whereby she is going to do things that he's not able to do half the time because he has a career, he's at work.
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So tend to him, like, do his laundry, make sure he has breakfast, lunch, and dinner made and prepared.
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For one thing, I know people kind of mistaken, like, submission to be, like, the weaker half, but I would have to disagree with that.
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I would say submission means somebody who is going to take the back seat or someone who's going to sit in the passenger seat and let the man take the driver's seat and make the decisions in the household and make sure, you know, the budget is intact and you guys are living within your means.
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Can you actually obey, even if you disagree, even if he's in the wrong, even if you believe he's completely incorrect, can you take that role?
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I don't think that means that you have to be a carpet.
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You still have a voice as a submissive partner.
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It doesn't mean that you're going to be the weak one and accept all his wrongdoings.
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Most examples inside of a relationship where there is a submissive partner and one who heads a household are not moral quandaries.
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So I'm not saying that you have to cede to immoral behavior like he says, I want to open the relationship or something like this.
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But obeyance is, if we're going to spend all of the money on this, we're spending all of the money on this.
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Obeying means if the kids need to go to X school, I want them to go to that school, even if you don't agree.
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Even if it's 30 minutes out of your way and you think it's stupid.
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It's not always, so you kind of conflate this with a moral quandary.
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Most of these issues are not moral quandaries, right?
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So you're telling me that being the submissive half of the relationship is somebody that is just going to bow down 100% of the time.
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Unless there's a moral quandary, can you tell me why there's a problem with that?
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Well, for example, you use that taking the child to a 30 minute away, a 30 minute away from home school, right?
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And then the mom has to be the one to travel and to commute, to do all that.
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But what if there's a school that's like five minutes away that's just as good?
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Isn't there room for compromising and negotiating something like this?
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Does obedience mean that even though you've had the discussion, he has the final word on it.
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Even if you don't like it, I'm making this decision.
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Even though you disagree, you don't particularly enjoy this.
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Do you think even I'm being stupid or you think that I'm being out of pocket here?
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Well, you can put the conditional only of moral.
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But as long as it's moral, what other conditionals can you put on it?
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And that's why you have to be very careful on who you choose as a partner, correct?
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I think part of having a partner, though, is like your husband should also submit to you.
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We're talking specifically about traditional values here.
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Okay, there could be traditional non-Christian, but there's also traditional Christian.
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Does it not say wives submit to your husband as the church has submitted to God and husbands submit to your wives as Christ has submitted to the church?
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So, in Matthew, when, I'm sorry, you're quoting Paul, not Matthew, my bad.
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Okay, so when you're talking about Paul, okay, when this is said, I believe it's in Corinthians,
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wives submit unto your husband as you would unto the Lord.
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Yeah, well, okay, but marriage is the figurehead, which represents this.
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So, men are going to be the head, which is a representation of Christ, who's the head of the church.
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Women are going to be the body, which is the church itself.
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Okay, so then, if that is the case, then what is the logical entailment there?
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Because it even says that husbands should serve their wives.
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If you are to submit unto your husband as you are unto the Lord, are you allowed to disobey the Lord?
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Okay, so then are you allowed to disobey your husband?
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I am willingly submit to your husbands, but I'm saying don't be with a husband that also isn't willing to submit to you.
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When you're talking about mutual submission especially, the reason that it specifically references why wives should submit, even if their husbands fall astray, even if they fall astray, is because if a woman still stays true, he can find his way back.
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So when you're talking about mutual submission, let's start with this idea.
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What does submitting to your husband as unto the Lord mean?
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Well, from what I understand from Christianity, the husband is supposed to put the wife on a pedestal and the wife submits to the husband.
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Well, what I was trying to get at is if a man is providing for you, if a man is taking care of you, that's part of, like, submitting to you.
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A man doesn't have to provide for his, like, wife and kids.
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There's a lot of men that don't do that, that they want to go 50-50.
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I think part of a man submitting is saying, I'm submitting to you in the fact that I want to work hard for this family.
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I want to work hard so that you're able to be here with my children.
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And so that you can submit to me in the same way of...
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So the first concept we'll untangle is I don't dispute that there's a lot of men who will always do X.
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The conversation we're having right now, right now with you, is what Christian couples are to do or ought to.
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Not what other men do or what a lot of men do or what some men do or what many men do.
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Only what Christian traditionalists do within this worldview.
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So untangle that from your argument and tell me, how should Christian women respond in obedience to their husbands?
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That's right, by serving them and submitting to them.
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Okay, so let me ask you, how is a man supposed to serve his wife?
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How is a man supposed to serve his entire family in the same way that Christ is supposed to be the sacrifice as the head?
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Because he is the ultimate sacrifice for the family.
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He's the person who has to take all of the heat.
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He's the person who has to take all the responsibility for the decisions.
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You shut your fucking mouth and you let him do that.
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But in a way, isn't that submitting to his family and submitting to his wife?
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In the context, if you want to call that submission, you can.
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Because I think in the church context, sure, you could call that submission.
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But is it submission when we're talking about obedience?
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Is a man to be obedient to his wife, in other words?
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Well, it depends on, like, obviously certain things.
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Because you're just saying a man shouldn't submit at all to his wife.
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There are instances where a man is submitting, though.
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By willing to be, like, you said, traditional and working and providing.
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Like, if you don't want to see it as that way, but it is.
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Like, by a man saying, like, I'm willing to put my time to the side.
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The more I hear them speak, the more I love my peaceful, broke, young, submissive, loyal,
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Christian girlfriend who accepts all my decisions, who said, I trust you to lead me and our future family.
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So, even if I call it submission, even if I just see the argument and say that that is a man's form of submission,
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which I don't even disagree with when you're talking about how husbands and wives are to submit to each other,
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I'll even concede the argument that that is exactly how a man is to submit to his family.
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And that is the point of what female submission is to be.
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And if that is the case of what female submission is to be,
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then you have been arguing with me just nonsense, circular nonsense, for the last 10 minutes.
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I'm just saying, we're taking this out of context here.
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But the whole reason I'm looking for a traditional man is because I've never had that.
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Because I've had to be the man in the relationship.
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And not to address, not to offend anyone that doesn't identify as a gender or if that's offensive.
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But what I'm saying is, yeah, I've always, I had to be the alpha female.
02:28:47.500
Well, let us, again, let us untangle a couple of concepts here.
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the first concept we'll untangle is in your relationships,
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Okay, so they're not Christian relationships, what I'm getting at.
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So to untangle this, me and her were discussing specifically in the context of Christianity.
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So I'm fine with moving back to the idea of, like, secular relationships.
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I just wanted to untangle those two concepts really quickly.
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So now we're moving back into the area of secular relationships.
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I don't really see how else or what other incentive there would be,
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absent divine command for you to have a relationship other than just, like,
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So that's why I'm asking, if it is just a matter of what you get versus what he gets,
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I'm a multimillionaire, and I'd rather support a 52-year-old woman with an adult child in tow
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versus the hot young woman that doesn't speak English.
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With an adult child in tow versus the hot young woman.
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A multimillionaire and rather support a 52-year-old woman?
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This is what you're talking about from one Christian to another.
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A woman submits to her husband's headship according to Christ.
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Yeah, but she wasn't really denying that that was true.
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And usually what we end up with, we tangle over the ideas of Paul more than anything when
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it comes to marriage because he outlined him so well.
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But, I mean, she essentially conceded that this is so.
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So there's really no reason to move past that, I don't think.
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Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
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Ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10.
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I have no lashes and I'm very, like, humbly makeup right now.
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Just come, like, to the, like, the beauty standard, you know?
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Are you also prepared to say that you're the most attractive women at the table?
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No, because I think everybody underrated themselves.
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From your estimation, why do you think they gave themselves a lower standard than you gave
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yourself, even though you don't think they're any less pretty than you are?
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I think when you're younger, you're a little bit, you know, you're not as confident.
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You know, when you get to our age, you know, you start to be more confident within yourself.
02:34:05.020
Can you describe for me the most unattractive man you've ever been on a date with?
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Whichever one pops into your head, whichever one it is.
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Christy and I talk about it on the podcast sometimes.
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We'll give a four a chance if they have a good personality because it's not really about
02:35:56.740
Young girls, people are aging quicker these days, especially in California because of
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So, I mean, the older they would be, that would still quantify that, right?
02:36:09.720
So, if there's 20 and they're getting their beat up, then by 60, they're going to be really
02:36:17.100
So, then it would logically follow, then, that if they're already getting beat up by 20,
02:36:21.920
that at 60, they're going to be even less attractive than they were at 20.
02:36:24.300
So, the question becomes, you at 53 years old, in comparison to the 20-year-old.
02:36:38.360
Compared to the 20-somethings who are around the table, what are the features, now that
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we know that you have a standard, that would make them more or less attractive than you?
02:37:10.380
I know you're not a natural beauty, but I think with the right clothes and the right
02:37:22.340
I would like to know if you're going to lie to me or not.
02:37:25.820
When you sat down at the table, and when most women sit down at that table, do you think
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that they assess instantly the attractiveness of the women who are next to them?
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Do you think they pick out little things inside of their head where they go, oh, I don't like
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that top, I don't like her eyebrows, what is she thinking with this look?
02:37:49.240
Isn't that what most of the time women are doing when they assess each other, when they
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I'm asking you to the gal in the white blouse who said...
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She believes she is going to find an actual traditional man that would put up with her
02:38:26.860
I mean, she'll probably, by this time next year, be in Europe with some guy, and he probably
02:38:32.460
will pay for everything, and you know it's true, Jim.
02:38:38.720
Um, so, so I'm just going to ask you, because you said, I wouldn't even answer the question,
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isn't it true that women all the time, likely even including yourself, inside of your mind
02:38:51.080
pick apart almost every other woman that you sit down with, and you basically can't help
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Isn't, isn't that really what happens with women?
02:38:58.120
Um, well, first of all, my name's Christy, and, um, I don't think...
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I understand that there's many people there with different names, and so it's hard for me
02:39:15.640
However, I sometimes do that because I'm an esthetician, so when I meet someone for the
02:39:20.620
first time, I do scan their face and look at their skin, look at their pores, look at
02:39:25.400
But I really don't think, after working with women, um, and only working with women, that
02:39:32.740
they're naturally judging women that sit next to them or are in their circle.
02:39:37.340
Well, if you don't mind, I'd like to go around the table, just very quickly with a raise of
02:39:44.940
Do women often, often, silently judge other women, even though they would never say this
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out loud, based on their looks, the clothes that they wear, and different beauty standards
02:40:01.160
Interestingly enough, though, just not for you, the esthetician, right?
02:40:08.320
But somehow, you think that other women don't do that.
02:40:12.860
Now, literally, every woman at that table just raised their hand, and yet, you're going
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to fib and bullshit me and say you have no beauty standards.
02:40:20.400
Tell me, who is the prettiest girl at the table?
02:40:35.580
Um, the prettiest woman in this table, you know, it's hard to say because everyone's
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different ages, different body shapes, different faces.
02:40:45.880
I'm not going to put anyone on the spot, or even put myself on the spot, so I'm going to
02:40:57.400
Inside of your head, can you tell me just this truth, that inside of your head you do know
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who you think the prettiest girl at the table is?
02:41:09.040
No, I would have to probably have everyone stand up and scan their bodies.
02:42:12.780
These jeans are from Target, and I'm wearing socks from my closet as well.
02:42:54.340
Can you translate, tell her in Spanish, like, fit check?
02:43:44.640
Actually, I like your outfit, so what are the details?
02:44:12.860
And my socks are both white, but they're mismatched.
02:44:15.400
They're different brands, because I lost my socks, so.
02:44:21.980
Now, if the gals who just demonstrated themselves to you, Christine, consider themselves average,
02:44:30.140
in which they seem to, because they consider themselves somewhere between a five and a six,
02:44:34.460
which on a scale of 10, I would say, is pretty close to average,
02:44:37.080
what would make the other gals here an eight other than some other than beauty standard,
02:45:00.880
I'm going to say moisturizer and sunscreen so they don't get sun damage and wrinkles when they're my age.
02:45:16.460
Compared to the women who call themselves average, what would make the women there who call themselves eights actually eights?
02:45:24.540
I would say probably more self-confidence in the way they view themselves.
02:45:31.320
They should feel more comfortable in their own skin because all of them are way beautiful, so pretty.
02:45:38.320
So based on physical beauty standards then, would you revise the answer for the eights and say that they're not actually eights,
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if they're being compared to women who are physically more beautiful than them,
02:45:51.440
who judge their physical characteristics to be average?
02:45:56.920
There's, by the way, you know, there's nothing wrong with average.
02:46:00.360
You have a massive sample size of half of planet Earth.
02:46:24.660
I think an eight is between average and supermodel.
02:46:36.180
While they would rather do this than admit that they were wrong when saying they are eights,
02:46:43.620
You're demonstrating why men wouldn't want to deal with old women.
02:47:04.180
Wait, actually, I want to offer myself up as tribute.
02:47:09.920
If everybody has different beauty standards, which I agree, there could be some subjective metric to this.
02:47:17.260
Do you think most women would whether be skinnier or fatter?
02:47:25.580
You think that most women would prefer to be fatter?
02:47:29.160
Like, there's girls that love me because I'm thick and I hate it.
02:47:36.880
So you think most women would prefer to be skinnier?
02:47:46.580
Can you guys just rate me on a scale of one to ten?
02:48:16.860
Like, honestly, why would it even matter what his age was?
02:48:20.680
Because he could either look really good for his age or really bad for his age.
02:48:31.220
His age wouldn't matter how good he looks for his age.
02:48:33.180
Personally, to me, I've never been attracted to white men.
02:48:54.480
I would also say you're just a little too old for me, so I'd say a six, two.
02:48:59.580
I'm going to start off by saying the beard is good.
02:49:37.360
I'm not scared of you, but I'm scared of old men, so I can't place them.
02:49:43.240
I can't place them above a four, so like three.
02:50:12.720
Like, looks-wise, you feel like you'd be settling for me.
02:50:14.820
Like I said before, it's not about looks for me.
02:50:19.700
It's about the personality and if we have compatibility.
02:50:25.980
Yeah, but earlier you said something along the lines of, we give fours chances.
02:50:33.780
My man didn't know how to dress when I started dating him.
02:50:56.760
Are there some men that you would be settling for?
02:51:01.560
Looks-wise or on any metric that you'd be settling for, right?
02:51:07.200
I have dated men that were not as attractive because I like their personality.
02:51:14.580
But if a guy's attractive, he's not going to have to make up for it perhaps as much or
02:51:30.280
No, I've been with really attractive hot men that have terrible personalities and I don't
02:51:43.620
Let's say you have two men with good personalities.
02:51:58.400
I mean, they add up to the same personality-wise.
02:52:02.280
Maybe they're different, but they're about the same.
02:52:04.580
Your assessment of their personality, status, finances, whatever, it's about the same.
02:52:12.760
So the less attractive guy would lose out, right?
02:52:18.100
Well, it doesn't matter because I'm not going to find anyone anyway compared to whoever said
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that I'm delusional, that I'm not going to find somebody.
02:52:30.060
Moving back to what some chatter said to you, really doesn't engage with what Brian's saying
02:52:37.420
So he's saying specifically to you, like, look, if another guy is going to be missing
02:52:42.140
out because, you know, guy two is a 10, then obviously looks do matter.
02:52:47.480
Or even from the metric of, well, I still prefer personality, you would still go for the guy
02:53:03.480
He's saying if you're compatible with both of us.
02:53:11.900
But so you think, in your view, you would be settling for me just looks wise.
02:53:51.740
I don't think my age has anything to do with being 17 years younger than me.
02:54:00.340
So, I mean, his argument here is actually pretty simple.
02:54:05.860
He's just saying, listen, it's really interesting that he rates himself at, you know, I think
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And he rates yourself at an eight, which means his self-assessment is far lower than your self-assessment.
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So he's asking, so are you settling with me, looks-wise, if you guys were to date?
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So you could say, well, there's all these other factors.
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But he's only asking about the settlement on looks because he's saying if another man had
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the same personality, same everything else, but was, you know, a 10, he would be missing
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So what would make you an eight and him a five?
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In other words, how could a woman who's 17 years older than him say that for all practical
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purposes that she is three levels more attractive than he is and yet would still be settling for
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I got to tell you, the discrepancy seems night and day to me.
02:55:13.460
I don't think you can really compare because, I mean, to other 52-year-olds, she is probably
02:55:18.120
I mean, I don't know a lot of 50-year-olds, but I mean-
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Which is why we're not comparing her to a 52-year-old, we're comparing her to a 35-year-old.
02:55:25.320
But that's what I'm saying, like, you can't compare her to exactly a 35-year-old, like
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It's the same thing as a 53-year-old dating, oh, I don't know, a 23-year-old, like what happened
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There obviously could be a comparison because you didn't want to sleep with that guy because
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And so, and I can also ask you this question, let's say we dated, there's the comparison
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If we dated, people external to us could make a determination as to who is settling looks-wise,
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so regardless of the age discrepancy, they would be like, oh, removing the age from it,
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People external to us would be able to make a determination as to who is settling looks-wise,
02:56:52.240
Yo, big girl, I'm going to keep it $100 with you.
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I would never fly near you because I don't fly coach.
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But if I were to get seated next to you, I would pull the emergency door.
02:57:22.700
In the center camera, it does make you look bigger.
02:57:32.920
Steph and Jack, third time lucky, BLM told me that-
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Third time lucky, BLM told me the message when I'm flying over to get me on the show.
02:57:40.040
I want to stress the importance of BLM, and my husband can put his philosopher thinking
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Show of hands, anybody here ever been shamed for like their labia or whatever?
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We have another chat here from- I only date women with large labias, so awkward.
02:58:22.680
I would also rather take the geriatric woman who can't have children and fake ta-tas and
02:58:30.620
probably left their husbands to find themselves over the hottie that can't speak English.
02:58:36.140
She understands English, so that's kind of sad, because she understands.
02:58:47.220
So, question going back to this, the rating thing.
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Do you guys think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
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So, better looking at 36 as compared to now at 26?
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I would probably by that time, no, because I tan a lot.
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And then, better looking now at 26 than you were at 18?
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Do you think you were better looking 10 years ago, as compared to now?
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But not better, but 52, I guess you're saying you're peaking because you won't be better at 62.
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I want to put more money into myself a little bit more later on in life because right now it's, like, school's my focus, but.
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When you say put more money into you, what do you mean?
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Like, more quality, higher, and skin care, like, better hair care, probably keeping up, maintaining, getting more haircuts, or, like, keeping a manicure, maybe.
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I definitely used to be a lot heavier, so I feel a little bit happier now that I'm a little bit more active.
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What about better looking at 41 as compared to 21?
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By then I'll probably have kids, so I wouldn't push that.
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Yeah, so I'd probably feel a little bit better.
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Assuming you had all that stuff in place today, skin care, hair, whatever the other stuff you listed was,
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you had in place today, and you also had in place in 10 years' time, would you still be better looking at 31?
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But you said you would be better looking at 31 because you would have those things in place.
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If you had the things in place now, and you also had all those things in place at 31,
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Probably, I don't know the answer, but I'm going to say no.
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If I would probably be doing the same thing consecutively, probably not.
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I'd probably just age and actually lose my baby features that I have right now.
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Were you better looking at 43 than you are now?
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So better looking at 23, but then worse looking, 33.
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But then better, between 33 and 43, where were you better looking?
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I took care of myself better than my, I guess, self-worth went down in my 40s, because that's
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And I started just not putting myself as a priority, so I wasn't taking care of myself.
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And then, but so, but better looking now at 53 as compared to 43 and 33?
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So wait, your looks were perhaps at their peak at 23, decline 33, decline 43, increase
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I took better care of my skin, my body, and I got some plastic surgery.
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And then all those things kind of boost my self-esteem and start, so I started viewing
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And, yeah, I feel like during the time, like, having kids, being with young children, I couldn't
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invest in myself as much, and then plus, you know, I was in a rough marriage, so I didn't
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put myself as a priority compared to what I do now.
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Do you think you have an easier time finding men now at 53 as compared to, I don't know
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if you were in a relationship when you were 33, perhaps you just met maybe the guy that
03:04:47.920
Do you think you would have had an easier time dating, finding a man at 33 than you do
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Let's assume you were single during, when you were 33.
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I think it would have been easier back in my 30s, actually, if I was single to find
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And then, wait, going back to you, you said better looking now at 52 as compared to 42,
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Do you have an easier time finding men now at 52 than you did at 22?
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Do you have more male attention at 52 than you?
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Do you think you'll be better looking at 28 than you are now?
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My mom's, like, gorgeous, and she's that age, so.
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So, at 48, you'll be better looking than how you look now?
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So, I think, like, now to, like, 28, like, will be my prime.
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And then, 48, like, I don't know, for, like, I don't know.
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Will you be better looking at 38 than you are at 28?
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I think I'll be, like, good looking at my 30s, but, like, I'm sorry, I cut it off right
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Do you think you genuinely, like, do you think you would genuinely out-compete yourself
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No, I mean, I guess we met at the gym when I was, we were 22, 21, 22, right?
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I mean, yeah, my butt, I had a bigger butt back then, but other than that, I don't think...
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On your Instagram, or would you have to, like, send it to us?
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No, we'd have to, I'd have to look on my phone.
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I'll read a couple chats while we're doing that.
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We have John, rating the girls from left to right, 8-6, here, I'll do this, 8-6-5-5-3-5-3-3.
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Question for the table, would you rather have men make the move and risk SA or ask for consent
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I don't know if you should, you maybe shouldn't have framed it this way, because I feel like
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it kind of jumps the gun a little bit on the angle for the question, but white knighting
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for the goofy girl in the middle with a mop on her head, Brian, be nice.
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Would you prefer a guy going for the kiss, asking for the kiss, or just going for it?
03:10:06.880
Preferably, I'd like him to make the first move, like, kiss without, like, asking.
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Like, on the first date ever, or just in general?
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If it's the first date, if it's the third date, whatever.
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Yeah, like, yeah, they kiss you first, and they grab you all cute.
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You want the guy to, like, go for it, or you want him to ask?
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Go for it, but I also don't find it icky if they ask.
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None of these women have proved themselves worthy as a keeper, and that's coming from
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Uh, girls, it gets worse for you as you get older.
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Thank you, Dave's Drone, for the $100 super chat.
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Um, so you guys just don't think you get, like, less attractive as you get older?
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Like, I have visible signs of aging on my face.
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Like, I'm not, like, delusional in this regard.
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Like, as you age, even if you live, like, a totally perfect, stress-free life,
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and you never smile, and you never laugh, and you never move your face at all over 10
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years, 20 years, 30 years, there's going to be changes to your face and body, to your
03:12:18.280
People get, I make the argument, both men and women get less attractive as they get older.
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I think there's some differences between men and women.
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Generally speaking, you get less attractive as you get older.
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I mean, I think it's true for, like, people 28, like, 29 versus, like, 19.
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It's just confusing, because so many people get work done nowadays, you can't really tell
03:12:56.340
Well, actually, you see, have you seen those clips of those, like, 24-year-old women who've
03:13:06.260
I don't think plastic surgery, like, I think plastic surgery, no offense to those of you
03:13:16.740
Well, yeah, it definitely depends on what you're getting done, where you're getting it done,
03:13:24.720
Because, yeah, it can make you look older if you start too soon getting injectables.
03:13:34.780
Let me, you know, I was wondering about this, though, Brian, on the plastic surgery thing
03:13:43.440
Like, right now, I would agree, especially with the Brazilian butt lifts, which makes it
03:13:48.760
look like a woman has taken a dump in her pants.
03:13:50.760
It's the most absurd thing that I've ever seen, and it's gross.
03:13:53.440
But, like, if you go back and you look at the plastic surgery from, like, the 90s, for
03:14:01.260
instance, it seemed like it was way less obvious, and it was mostly an enhancement.
03:14:07.440
It looked like they were trying to go for more of an enhancement of kind of that hourglass
03:14:13.600
Would you have objected as badly in the 90s and even early 2000s as you do now as kind
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of this bizarre standard of BBLs and this type of thing?
03:14:28.180
Well, I don't think women in the 90s were getting the amount of procedures that they were
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I think she had fake titties, and I think that's it.
03:14:44.880
Well, they would usually do the fake boobs, and then I think the nose job was pretty common.
03:14:50.640
I think, honestly, when it comes to nose jobs, though, that is the one procedure that sometimes
03:14:58.320
you can tell, but oftentimes it's a little harder to tell with the nose, I think.
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If it's done, like, it's a little harder to tell.
03:15:12.740
Whereas, and also the nose job, a nose job can be done whereby it makes a nose look like
03:15:25.780
somebody else's nose that they could just normally have.
03:15:29.820
Whereas no woman has natural boobs that look like fake titties.
03:15:45.140
Well, I guess what I'm wondering is, do you think you'd have the same objections?
03:15:53.480
Would you have the same objections, do you think, from, like, 90s, early 2000s women to
03:16:00.440
the types of plastic surgery that they had then versus now where it's so over the top and
03:16:13.080
So, I mean, I would say I would object less insofar as my understanding of most of the
03:16:20.800
plastic surgery that was done in perhaps the early 2000s and throughout the 90s was mostly,
03:16:28.800
I don't think BBLs were really a thing, maybe a bit, but I don't think it was a thing.
03:16:42.940
I wouldn't have liked the fake titties had I been dating in the 90s.
03:16:48.100
But now you have the lip filler, the Botox, the lipo, the BBL.
03:16:57.940
So, I suppose, to answer your question, yes, I object more now.
03:17:03.400
But, I mean, a fake boob job, a woman with a fake boob job in the 90s versus a woman with
03:17:16.460
So, yeah, I would object more to it, I guess, assuming she had those additional procedures.
03:17:23.580
I just, I prefer, I've said it before, I'll take no boobs or small boobs over fake titties.
03:17:52.940
Well, I think that, I mean, at least this day and age, everyone is, sorry.
03:18:08.280
A lot of the surgeries right now are, like, trendy.
03:18:11.240
So, all these body types, like the big BBLs are just trendy.
03:18:16.000
And in my opinion, I think it's going to go away.
03:18:18.380
And we're probably going to sway towards natural bodies again.
03:18:21.640
And so, I think, like, overall, it's pretty damaging what people are doing to themselves.
03:18:30.660
I feel like nose jobs are the only one that actually looks good after.
03:18:43.560
Definitely seem to improve the facial aesthetics.
03:18:47.440
I don't think the same can be said with, like, most other, at least me personally.
03:18:53.140
Aesthetically speaking, I don't think any other procedure aesthetically looks better.
03:19:00.300
I would like to add, though, the only thing about nose jobs, like, I don't like that I've
03:19:05.460
seen recently is the, like, white button nose that everyone's getting.
03:19:10.100
And it takes away from, like, people's, like, ethnicity.
03:19:17.280
And I feel like sometimes that makes you prettier than having, like, the just same white girl
03:19:34.760
That or, like, the perfect little button nose is just, like, it doesn't fit everyone's
03:19:40.720
I feel like a lot of ethnicities feel obligated to get nose jobs, though.
03:19:45.500
I get when they have, like, the big, you know, like, a lot of Armenian girls that I know had
03:19:52.100
But it's, like, okay, I get you're trying to get rid of that.
03:19:54.560
But also, if you're going to do it, at least keep a little bit more of your, like, ethnicity
03:19:59.600
with the rest of your nose instead of it just completely looking like it doesn't even fit
03:20:04.400
I think they just also could be just really insecure about their nose, so they want to
03:20:10.280
It's a thing, like, I know a lot of Persian people that, like, all of them have nose jobs.
03:20:19.260
But I think nose jobs are, like, the only thing.
03:20:21.520
I honestly think they're, like, the biggest transformation that a person can have.
03:20:25.980
I think they change how you look the most rather than, like, getting your lips done or
03:20:39.220
Like, any facial filler, because it's not surgical.
03:20:45.720
Have you guys seen, like, the videos of, like, the old people with wrinkles who get,
03:20:53.080
That's, like, very satisfying to watch, though.
03:20:56.340
I like seeing the before and afters when they're done right, because it's, like, damn, you just
03:21:02.720
When it's done right, though, like, is it always going to stay right, or is it going to stay
03:21:09.800
I got to move it on, but we have Dorbel Machista.
03:21:15.920
Would you choose a wealthy, daring Latino with strong, ethnocentric, collectivist views,
03:21:21.320
or a modest, mild-mannered Asian who values liberal, preservationist ideals?
03:22:02.140
Well, he's Hispanic, so I'll just go with that.
03:22:35.000
Ladies, please rate Nanel Conde in her prime during the 2000s.
03:22:59.360
Chat simping for the chick that pretended she didn't speak English.
03:23:04.600
I know there's a rodent in that nest, and I'm here for it.
03:23:15.800
Do you want to blow a kiss into this camera right here?
03:23:35.100
Let's get into some different pre-show notes here.
03:23:38.980
I want to bring it back to you said something I thought was interesting much earlier on in the show.
03:23:49.480
Oh, Maddie, can you read that really quick while I'm just...
03:23:54.960
I can't get you in a Benz, but I can get you in a really nice Honda Civic.
03:24:00.740
I have a lovely boyfriend that I'm committed to, but...
03:24:12.900
So, you said past shouldn't doesn't matter, right?
03:24:17.920
So, like, that came up with, like, the body count conversation, I guess, or...
03:24:24.560
They just included that, but it wasn't about...
03:24:26.000
Oh, Maddie, can you read that real quick while it's here?
03:24:27.380
Please write Brian's excellent eyebrows on a scale from 1 to 60, comparing them to a
03:24:31.520
majestic hawk's wingspan, but only if the hawk has recently taken a salsa dancing class.
03:24:40.140
None of you guys had anything to say about that.
03:24:52.260
Panel, what's the most embarrassing thing to happen to you during a day tour while sharing
03:24:59.760
First, though, you guys need to rate my freaking eyebrows on a scale of 1 to 60.
03:25:24.840
Or at least from here, I can't see, so I'd say, like, a good 55.
03:25:46.380
Wait, ladies, what do you think of young Andrew Wilson?
03:25:54.460
How much did I say I would show that, like, video of me when I was 23 and I was, like,
03:27:23.940
Fucking selling us some racist-ass fucking TV mongers.
03:27:40.880
You should just ask them to, like, rate him at that age.
03:28:32.680
Most embarrassing thing to happen during a date or during carnal knowledge?
03:28:37.600
On a date, I tried wax for the first time when I was, like, I want to say 21.
03:28:48.820
And midway through the drive-thru, I just started throwing up.
03:28:51.700
And I opened, like, the car door and I just threw up in the middle, like, the little pocket thing.
03:28:56.720
And he was, like, I just got my car washed for this day.
03:29:00.220
I felt so bad all over the drive-thru, all over his car.
03:29:05.600
I'm going to have to think about this for a second.
03:29:09.620
I'm going to say this happened when I was, like, in my 20s before I found my husband.
03:29:15.460
But I, like, seriously was choking during dinner.
03:29:33.080
Well, so it's either embarrassing, like, thing that happened on a date.
03:30:02.520
And then they drew, like, you know, D-I-C-Ks all over my arms.
03:30:50.320
Did you, like, fart during a date or something?
03:30:57.360
So when I went to, like, a golf course or, like, a driving range, I reached down to put,
03:31:01.620
like, the ball on the tee, and my jeans were a little too tight.
03:31:04.000
So, like, you know, they kind of split down the middle, like, right in the back, and it
03:31:07.840
But I had a sweater to tie over, but it was really embarrassing because you did actually
03:31:21.600
So I have a question going back to the two gals.
03:31:28.920
When you're talking about your kind of dating prospects, I was just curious, are you post-menopausal
03:31:47.980
Oh, going around the table, actually, before we get into the passion matter, what do you
03:31:57.360
Like, emotional support advice on what I think my boyfriend should do with his career moves.
03:32:06.540
Like, you know, just being, I think, like, emotionally and spiritually there for him while he is making
03:32:15.840
a lot of the decisions financially or just, like, household-wise.
03:32:31.400
Like, what you're also saying is that I do, because I have a good sense of self and I have a good understanding of what men need.
03:32:40.700
So, on top of all of that, I mean, they want support, they want a badass blowjob, and, you
03:32:54.020
know, they want to feel desired, they want to feel valued, and...
03:33:15.320
I like being stable and being able to count on myself, so I think it'd be, I think bringing
03:33:20.560
that to the table would be, like, I'm not dependent on you for anything, or I just feel, like, I
03:33:25.620
can be myself while still in a relationship with someone else.
03:33:29.700
I'm a good listener, and so I can give good emotional support and friendship, companionship.
03:33:36.680
I'm not very, like, high maintenance in relationships, I would say, like, and I'm pretty independent.
03:33:48.060
I can do stuff on my own, and, like, I don't feel like I need a man to survive, you know?
03:33:51.500
I just bring, like, a best friend, like, companion, someone, like, you could be yourself around.
03:33:56.400
Like, you could, like, you know, I don't know, do anything, and I'll still, I want to be a
03:34:01.080
Yeah, I was going to say something along the lines of that, too.
03:34:05.780
Friendship, companionship, a shoulder to cry on if you want to do, and all of that.
03:34:34.520
I think this would be a good time for the bow video.
03:34:38.800
So, this is what I think, this is what I think, like, this is what a woman could bring
03:35:58.360
If it was like some weird thing he asked for, probably, but I don't think I've ever been
03:36:06.020
Minus the bow and the like rushing to feed him?
03:36:24.780
No, he comes home to like cooked food, like actual like full meals.
03:36:32.300
Do you sync up the second he hits the door, the jacket's off of him, right?
03:36:37.500
And then he sits down and right away there's a meal?
03:36:40.680
Or does he get home and there's like a two-hour delay before the meal hits?
03:36:47.960
Like recently I was helping out a lot at church, so I wasn't coming straight like all
03:36:53.180
Like, but there are times where he comes home and it's like...
03:36:58.940
All day at the church that doesn't have a name.
03:37:02.960
Yeah, well, how long does it take you to cook a meal?
03:37:09.900
Well, what are you making that takes a long time?
03:37:11.160
I make a lot of stuff like fully from scratch, so it's just that takes a long process.
03:37:17.460
Like you're not going out and killing the chicken, right?
03:37:29.020
Probably, time-wise, like ratatouille, because it's a lot of prep.
03:37:36.560
Okay, how long does it take you to make ratatouille?
03:37:39.500
Prep-wise, probably like just an hour cutting everything up and making the sauce.
03:37:43.460
And then you have to wait like an hour and a half for it in the oven while you're making
03:37:53.420
Yeah, so I'm guessing that, well, you have to do the prep work and then you have to let
03:37:57.620
So it's actually only about two hours of cook time, right?
03:38:15.680
See, like even last night, I made sandwiches just because we were like, we went to the gym
03:38:21.740
No, but they weren't no like regular sandwiches.
03:38:41.140
So, you know, like I toasted all that and like I make...
03:39:01.160
And how long would you say it took you to make these sandwiches?
03:39:10.340
You can't sync up the dinner for right when he hits the door?
03:39:13.460
We both were at the gym together and then I came home and I made it.
03:39:27.300
I mean, I think culturally, yeah, Asian women bow to their men, but...
03:39:34.040
No, I'm talking like middle fucking Montana, white guy, white chick, she's got to hit a bow.
03:39:42.160
No, because there's other ways you show respect culturally than a bow.
03:39:46.040
But let's say as somebody who is a citizen of the world and has access to a phone, I see that video as a white boy and I'm like, damn, that's good.
03:40:06.780
So, if you and me were dating, even though you'd be settling for me, of course, would you hit a bow?
03:40:14.920
Again, I will do, if it makes you happy, yes, I would do that for you.
03:40:19.980
Okay, all right, if that makes you happy, for sure.
03:40:28.000
I thought it was a pretty funny video, but yeah, if it was for like, I don't know, joking purposes, yeah, I'd do it.
03:41:02.420
So, no circum, like, this is the best guy ever.
03:41:07.720
I'm just thinking, like, like you said, two white people in the middle of Montana.
03:41:19.420
It's an Iggy Azalea song for, does that occur to anybody else?
03:41:32.240
I know that one, but that does not make me think of that.
03:41:42.660
No money, no family, 16 in the middle of Miami.
03:41:47.460
I'm derailing my own podcast with a fucking 10-year-old song reference.
03:41:59.740
Would you, if that guy who dumped you for your sin, if he was like, I'll take you back,
03:42:21.860
Bro, he was on a date the day after y'all broke up.
03:42:29.520
You were probably the side, you might have been the side chick.
03:42:32.100
Don't even say that, because I feel like I was.
03:42:37.500
But you would, wait, just to be clear, like, normal guy wouldn't do that shit, but the dude,
03:42:54.820
Wait, y'all were dating for four months, and y'all in love?
03:43:00.400
He's like, I have, like, no hate in my heart for him.
03:43:04.040
I just, like, I think he, honestly, I do think he over, like, I know I shouldn't have lied,
03:43:08.960
but, like, I do think he overreacted a little bit.
03:43:17.220
Wait, girls dump dudes all the time for any fucking reason.
03:43:26.480
I have no, he's, like, a very, like, family man.
03:43:28.660
Like, very, like, he's just, he's a good person.
03:43:32.620
I have no hate in my heart for him, and I hope the best for him, you know?
03:43:39.720
Yo, what's, if he's watching this shit, yo, will you, will you take her back if she does
03:43:46.400
Wait, how much more besides a bow would you do to get him back?
03:43:57.720
So, what do you expect the man to bring to the table?
03:44:04.900
If the amount required exceeds the man's need for a bow, that's unequal.
03:44:09.360
Just act like you tripped or something, you can bow.
03:44:15.800
I just, like, I wouldn't, like, like, it would take me, I just think it's weird.
03:44:24.140
No, like, if I walked into my roommate and bowed to her, she would be, like, what are you
03:44:28.080
Yeah, but you're trying to, like, fuck your roommate.
03:44:30.600
Okay, next time I go on a date, I'll bow to them.
03:44:55.800
I just think with the whole bow thing, like, if you wouldn't do it, I never got that.
03:45:02.360
Because a girl, I say it every show, with this bow thing, you will let a guy blast on
03:45:45.980
You'll let a man put his penis inside you, but you can't do a bow?
03:46:06.700
A girl will S a dude's D in the SIGEP public bathroom within 30 minutes after fucking jello
03:46:20.880
shots, and he's been sweating into his khakis all fucking day.
03:46:37.320
Oh, what are the shorts called that the fucking frat boys wear?
03:46:42.500
No, the shorts or the fucking pants or whatever.
03:46:56.700
Before we do that, though, Tim Pool says, question for the panel.
03:47:03.500
Sorry, I'm trying to do a Christopher Walken, but it's just coming out as fucking Italian.
03:47:11.020
So raise your hand if you're voting for Trump, and then raise your hand if you're voting
03:47:16.020
Raise your hand if you're voting for Camelot Harris.
03:47:21.220
Raise your hand if you're voting for Camelot Harris.
03:47:55.840
I didn't really pay attention to this election.
03:48:01.280
You don't want to vote for what could be the first woman president?
03:48:42.680
So, what do you expect the man to bring to the table?
03:48:46.320
If the amount required exceeds the man's need for a bow, that's unequal.
03:48:51.060
Just act like you tripped or something, you can bow.
03:49:00.320
I, like, watch, like, my parents be 50-50 in a relationship, so that's how, like, I would
03:49:05.340
be in a relationship, and I don't, like, like, I don't mind being 50-50.
03:49:13.120
Like, I would ask them why they want me to bow, you know?
03:49:15.880
Like, is it, like, do you feel like you need to be, like, have authority over me?
03:49:24.060
But, like, why, like, in the form of a bow, you know?
03:49:28.820
Because, well, let me ask you a different segue, because this is cultural, right?
03:49:40.120
I used to practice curtsying when I was, like, six, because I thought I was related to the
03:49:49.100
No, I, like, I don't even know if I know how to curtsy.
03:50:02.660
I didn't realize this was, like, a full body back here.
03:50:17.620
So, but the thing is, is if he asked you to curtsy, would that be a problem?
03:50:27.540
But what if he's asking you to curtsy because he saw it as a sign of respect?
03:50:35.160
It's just, like, weird that, like, you want respect and authority in that way to me.
03:50:39.540
Like, I feel like there's so many other ways you can feel respected as, like, a husband
03:50:56.940
Okay, this is going to sound really weird, but, like, for the most part, you do what
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Like, the dishes, just do the dishes, or, like...
03:51:11.260
If that's how I wanted to be shown respect, why wouldn't you curtsy or bow to me?
03:51:15.720
Well, because I believe in the concept of patriarchy, in the concept of hierarchy within
03:51:23.200
And I don't think that anybody who believes in the concept of patriarchy would accept
03:51:28.620
that they would need to bow or curtsy to a woman.
03:51:36.820
I think that a woman asking a man to bow to them would be the opposite of a sign of respect.
03:51:42.940
So, I think that that would be disrespectful to a man to even ask him to bow, whereas to
03:51:55.840
I'm, like, bad at arguing, and I know that you're, like...
03:51:58.060
In this culture, in the U.S. culture, bowing's not really a thing, but curtsying and things
03:52:07.740
Um, so, in Asian cultures, it's still a thing for, even for men to bow to each other as
03:52:32.420
Well, but there isn't one because patriarchy exists and should exist, and that's how women
03:52:44.220
They show respect to women by building the very infrastructure that they walk on.
03:52:51.180
That's, like, the closest thing to, like, a man showing respect is, like, opening all
03:52:56.920
Yeah, but, I mean, men will often, if there's an elderly man walking, for instance, they'll
03:53:02.740
So, the thing is, is I'm not sure that I would say that that's an equivalency for a personal
03:53:10.000
So, in a personal way, like the curtsy is, it's a way for a woman to show respect to a
03:53:16.180
man or a way for her to present herself to a man in a respectful manner.
03:53:21.320
I can't actually think of the equivalent for a man.
03:53:26.980
It's just something I wouldn't do, like, personally.
03:53:29.220
Like, again, like, if end comes to end, like, I would do it.
03:53:33.980
But, like, I wouldn't want it to be, like, I just don't think it should.
03:53:40.900
You're really good at arguing, and I suck at it, and I really don't want to be flamed.
03:53:45.960
I'm just kind of, at this point, I'm just trying to kind of get your rational worldview a
03:53:50.040
Do you teach people how to argue, and you're going to say you're not good at arguing?
03:54:02.000
So, I just kind of want to understand where you're coming from right now.
03:54:05.780
Final thing on this, though, and then I'm moving along.
03:54:33.620
Yeah, and it doesn't matter to him because I'm not, like, currently in that role of my life anymore.
03:54:40.160
So, going around the table, do you think that the past should matter?
03:55:07.800
You also should try and be in the present if you want to be happy anyway.
03:55:13.040
Now, on this, this often comes up when it comes to discourse on body count.
03:55:20.600
So, men, I suppose both, well, both men and women can have a preference on this, but men typically tend to have a stronger preference
03:55:26.100
for lack of current or past promiscuity and a low body count or even desiring virgins, for example.
03:55:32.160
This is sometimes found in women, but to a far lesser degree.
03:55:37.060
Do you think men should not, the past shouldn't matter when it comes to somebody's sexual past?
03:55:44.300
So, the people they, the amount of people they previously had sex with.
03:55:57.600
So, do you think, for example, if a man didn't want to date you or another woman because of her sexual past,
03:56:05.940
would you find that perhaps either immature or insecure, or would you otherwise take objection to it in some way?
03:56:13.560
I would, I can understand why he would, why it would matter to him.
03:56:27.600
I don't think, I think if it did matter to him, it might be because of some either cultural or religious view of some kind.
03:56:41.060
I don't find him to be immature or, what did you say, what was the other one?
03:56:52.580
Maybe there could be a touch of insecurity there.
03:57:03.340
I wouldn't judge someone if they have a high body count.
03:57:05.320
But would you, so, sure, that's fine for you, but would you object if a man, it mattered to him?
03:57:17.700
Like, I feel like women sometimes don't mind if a guy has had multiple partners.
03:57:23.760
But then when you ask the man the same question, they want their woman to, like, be virgins or have very few partners.
03:57:31.520
Well, how would that be a double standard, though?
03:57:33.260
Well, but before we even ask that, I just have to ask you a very quick question, Christy.
03:57:39.020
Do you think that there are women who wear heels who are sexy?
03:57:50.920
But you don't object to women wearing heels, right?
03:58:08.500
So then it's not a double standard when it comes down to preference, right?
03:58:15.100
Well, I think my understanding is that, at least the way you framed it originally, you said women don't care about this, men do.
03:58:33.920
That's just a difference in what men and women want.
03:58:36.080
I think maybe what you were getting at here, maybe, is that, well, if the guy has a high body count, but he wants a woman who's got a low body count or is a virgin, that's the double standard.
03:58:54.580
From what I heard, from what she said, I agree with it.
03:58:57.020
I think it matters, but I wouldn't judge someone based off of it, and I wouldn't want to be judged based off of it, unless you have, like, an STD.
03:59:05.140
Then I would question what you're getting with it.
03:59:08.340
Let's say the woman was clean, but she had a body count of 50, and even if she was totally clean, she could prove it, but she had a body count of 50, that alone disqualified her from a guy.
03:59:27.020
From the guy's perspective or from, like, an outsider?
03:59:30.300
From the guy's perspective, I wouldn't want to be judged on it, so I wouldn't judge somebody else on it.
03:59:39.880
And because, like, and then from my perspective, from an outsider's perspective, I, like, same thing.
03:59:49.320
I don't want people to, like, judge me, so I'm not going to throw, like, shade where it's not my place.
03:59:59.180
I think it does matter, just because, like, that just means, like, if they have a high body count, they're easy.
04:00:15.920
I think we can use it to see what kind of patterns have been in place before, and you can use, like, good, your judgment to judge someone based off of their past.
04:00:29.000
And if they, like, are repeat offender with the same bad mistakes, then don't be with them.
04:00:36.040
If it's just a mistake, though, and it's happened, like, once or twice, I don't think they should be scrutinized for it.
04:00:50.040
If past doesn't matter, shouldn't matter, what's your body count?
04:01:03.100
Wait, what do you mean by, like, being generous?
04:01:07.940
If I'm being generous, because I can think of, like, people I, like, completely remember, but I also, like, lost my virginity when I was 13.
04:01:16.240
So, like, I know that I've had sex with, like, for sure, like, these four people, and there's, like, two people I probably don't remember their names, because I was, like, so young.
04:01:30.660
Less than 20, but I can't put a number on it, because...
04:01:39.860
Yeah, I'm just kind of going based on before I was in a relationship, and then now.
04:01:50.080
Wait, how many of these from, like, the past, since the split?
04:02:11.040
I'm going to decline answering that, but I will say that it's very low.
04:02:34.460
I support that 1,000%, and I hope you stick to it.
04:02:44.940
But I'm a little confused, because you said you wouldn't want somebody to judge you for that.
04:02:49.500
Well, like, I don't, like, I don't have a body count, but, like, if I were like that,
04:02:53.400
I wouldn't want to be judged off, because I, listen to some of you, but I have friends,
04:03:02.580
But don't we need good, virtuous women to judge these heathens?
04:03:10.980
This is going to sound, like, really biblical, but...
04:03:24.920
Like, it's God's, and, like, I think that, like, I can, like, direct people and help people
04:03:29.600
and, like, talk to God about people, talk to God, wait, talk about...
04:03:48.720
Like, hookup culture to me is, like, making out with somebody, like...
04:03:52.200
Okay, but what about, like, all the casual sex that's going on?
04:04:00.940
Wait, okay, let me ask you a very simple question.
04:04:13.300
Do you think that hookup culture makes it easier or more difficult for you to find
04:04:20.340
I would say it makes it more difficult for me because, like, I'll be into somebody or
04:04:24.520
something like that, and, like, our morals won't align.
04:04:28.200
They want, like, something casual, and it's just not something that, like, I want personally.
04:04:34.640
And I feel like it's also, like, difficult to find people...
04:04:37.620
Not difficult, but it is challenging, I guess, to find people.
04:04:42.900
People who have, like, similar morals, which, like, back to that guy that I was dating,
04:04:47.660
that's, like, why it was, like, so easy, and I would take him out, because we do, for
04:04:59.780
Are you waiting for marriage, or are you waiting for, like, the right guy who you think
04:05:09.200
Even, like, people I've dated to, I thought I was going to marry, like, I didn't...
04:05:21.000
Yeah, I just wanted to quickly ask you, if the reason that you're not engaging in sexual
04:05:29.580
intercourse is because you believe that you will be judged by God, correct?
04:05:39.460
I know God is forgiving, but it's just, like, it's, like, biblical, and I want to...
04:05:43.960
But forgiving you because he's making a judgment.
04:05:49.840
Well, you have to make a judgment in order to forgive, right?
04:05:53.960
I don't think you have to make a judgment to forgive.
04:05:56.420
How could you forgive somebody absent a judgment?
04:06:05.460
Like, I'm a little slow, but, like, I just don't understand.
04:06:10.060
If you're going to forgive somebody, don't you have to judge them worthy of forgiveness?
04:06:24.440
Well, then why avoid sin if you're not worried about being judged for sin?
04:06:29.860
Because I want to live a life that I believe is pleasing to God, and if that's how I do
04:06:38.760
God would have to use judgment in order to punish you for sin, right?
04:06:42.780
And he'd have to use judgment in order to discern what is pleasing to him, right?
04:06:46.120
I don't think I, like, have a place to judge, though.
04:06:59.320
So then I got to ask you, is God going to judge people who sin?
04:07:06.260
But if you know that God is going to judge people who sin, can you point out the sins of
04:07:16.380
Have you ever, because, I don't know, you were talking about Jesus earlier, that verse
04:07:20.020
is, like, about, like, hypocrisy, like, you're pointing out the speck in someone else's eye
04:07:26.820
Yeah, what this is referring to is, if you're going to judge the behavior of somebody else,
04:07:36.760
Which I think that that's fine, that you should be judged by the same standard by which you
04:07:41.720
judge others' behavior, but that doesn't mean that you should not use discernment, righteous
04:07:45.380
judgment in your life for what's going on, right?
04:07:50.040
Otherwise, how would you even determine what is sinful?
04:07:52.680
And how would you steer people away from what is sinful if you had no judgment?
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Could you even steer a person away from sin if you couldn't judge that it was sin?
04:08:08.220
So then if you know what's sin, you are judging.
04:08:15.020
Like, I know sin is sin and, like, I know what is a sin and what's not, but, like, I
04:08:26.180
Yeah, like it or not, you can use what's called righteous judgment.
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Otherwise, how can you determine that you yourself should not have sex before marriage?
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You can have a good time, but you're avoiding it for a reason.
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So the thing is, is, like, why would it not be okay for you to apply that standard to
04:09:00.560
Like, I have my morals and beliefs, and I, like, respect other people's.
04:09:04.580
It doesn't mean, like, they're necessarily in line with mine, but I do, like, respect
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I also, like, I literally can't influence, or, like, even if I say something to someone,
04:09:14.340
like, you know, I'm just putting it out there that this is my opinion of what this
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Like, sometimes I'll be judging someone, and I'll be like, wow, that was so mean.
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We're just having a good conversation here, right?
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But I'm just saying to you, I wonder how much of it's cultural, and how much of it
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Just maybe it's cultural taboo to not sound mean, right?
04:10:04.120
Do you mean, like, cultural, like, or religious?
04:10:06.480
Like, well, I think it's cultural, inside of the current culture of modernity in the
04:10:12.320
United States, anyway, to not point out kind of bad behavior, because it sounds mean.
04:10:20.220
Like, with, okay, personally, with, like, my friends and I, like, we are all, like, very
04:10:25.500
blunt with each other, and we keep each other, like, crazy.
04:10:30.780
Like, when we're in the wrong, I've had friends who have been, like, you're being a horrible
04:10:39.160
Yeah, but, you know, I mean, you know that that's becoming increasingly rare, right?
04:10:50.560
Or not, okay, not to say, like, people don't value their friendships, but, like, I want to
04:10:55.740
be the best version of myself, and, like, being around people, like, who, like, bring me
04:11:02.700
And I want to be around people who, like, uplift me and make me a better version of
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Because at the end of the day, I have so many goals for myself, and I want them to be achieved.
04:11:11.440
Well, can I ask you a question to expand on this?
04:11:16.420
Have you noticed, have you noticed that there's this thing which happens with many women where
04:11:21.940
after they have lost their virginity or they've slept with multiple people, they begin to
04:11:26.660
recommend to other women that they do the same thing?
04:11:35.120
I know, like, like, friends and mentors who have said to me, they're like, I lost my virginity
04:11:46.040
Christy, you said, my unique dating stories include dating younger men who have mommy issues
04:11:57.760
Well, after I separated from my husband, it was weird because I started getting hit on
04:12:08.320
by younger guys, and I feel like they hit on me because they could sense that I was,
04:12:16.920
like, I guess, single, and I don't know if it's the whole MILF thing that they're, like,
04:12:24.660
you know, so I don't know if that's what it was, but basically when I did date the two
04:12:31.200
younger guys after my separation, they both had mommy issues, like serious mommy issues.
04:12:38.400
Well, they both had moms that abandoned them and left them at a very young age, and they
04:12:48.840
So, I felt like I was pretty much the one they were attracted to because I was an older
04:12:58.440
woman, and they wanted somewhat of a mommy, like, to tell them what to do and stuff.
04:13:09.800
I met one at brunch and the other one at the beach.
04:13:19.320
Yeah, so that was a common denominator was the whole mommy issue thing, and they both
04:13:23.040
wanted to, they were both very needy men, wanted to always have my attention, and I felt
04:13:28.840
like they saw me as not a sugar mama, but somebody that could take care of them.
04:13:38.320
I actually don't really have anything for that.
04:13:41.760
I mean, well, that phase in my life, like, didn't last long at all because it wasn't
04:13:58.620
Just two, more on the serious side, but I dated probably four.
04:14:07.620
Like, the other two was just, like, one or two dates, and that was it.
04:14:12.180
But it wasn't like I was looking for younger men because that's not my type.
04:14:16.000
It was, like, the men that were chasing me were of that younger age bracket.
04:14:39.880
Well, to perhaps segue, uh, Asia, you said you wanted to talk about gap relationships?
04:14:45.440
Well, yeah, it's kind of just tied into just the, um, I'm noticing because I do get a
04:14:55.980
My 10-year relationship, he was nine years younger than me, uh, also, um, yeah, so, um,
04:15:05.660
I, yeah, I just think that I wanted to talk about it.
04:15:08.460
I don't have, like, I was in a gap relationship.
04:15:11.020
It ultimately doesn't work out because you reach a crossroads where you both want different
04:15:24.860
He originally said he didn't want kids, and then he changed his mind, and resentment.
04:15:32.060
Uh, you also said that, uh, the trend of younger guys liking older women.
04:15:44.980
Well, I mean, this has been always, I mean, uh, what's that movie from the 70s?
04:15:52.800
I mean, I feel like it's kind of, hasn't it always been?
04:16:21.540
No, I don't think we have anybody, uh, anybody.
04:16:36.700
But remember that I don't have the advantage of, um, you know, hours and hours of makeup.
04:16:49.760
I, I brought it up, but I don't know if maybe a TTS came in.
04:16:53.340
You said, closer to what I want and what I deserve.
04:17:03.580
But, um, I would like to be in a relationship with mutual admiration and respect for each other.
04:17:10.920
Yeah, we, again, it's the balancing act of submission and praise, like putting the woman on a pedestal,
04:17:24.940
Treating a woman like a princess and like a queen.
04:17:27.300
Yeah, and the man, as well, that's why the woman submits to the man.
04:17:30.260
I think you've got to treat a woman like the court jester.
04:17:45.040
So there was a lot of, there was a lot of disrespect in that relationship, so that's what I'm saying.
04:17:54.060
It's like, I just, I'm setting my boundaries and learning what I want, and that's what the 21 dates was all about.
04:18:02.860
Wait, but so should, should women, all women, be treated like queens and princesses?
04:18:26.520
Because I feel like princess treatment means something kind of specific.
04:18:47.900
We're the serfs, and we're intermingling among the serfs.
04:18:55.660
Maybe some of us, maybe get, you know, some of us might become a lord.
04:19:17.300
I got a Burger King crown next to me and everything, Brian.
04:20:03.140
Well, I was, I was, I was, I held the camera, right?
04:20:09.900
All the words, Andrew was reading from a teleprompter.
04:20:12.820
Everything he fucking said was a script devised by me.
04:20:57.000
So, if your girl called you a peasant, you'd be like, yeah, I'm a peasant.
04:21:12.480
I don't like this whole, like, oh, I'm the king.
04:21:16.880
At best, at best, a lot of these women, they're court jesters at best.
04:21:27.920
You can be in a peasant couple or you can be in a royal couple.
04:21:34.320
Anyways, I don't know where I'm going with this whole thing.
04:21:36.300
I just, I think we need to take heraldry very importantly.
04:21:41.680
We need to take the very important, like, do any of you have a fucking, uh, yeah, heraldry.
04:22:11.420
This is a, this is a long-standing, by the way, Irish-English name, Wilson, just so you know.
04:22:18.220
And I do have, I even have a family motto to go with the crest, Brian.
04:23:10.580
The men I go out with don't want me to pay for dates.
04:23:14.380
Um, I think you should take me, Nick, Desmond, and Austin on a date after this and pay for
04:23:57.300
If you're going to start breaking out spreadsheets and expecting 50-50 treatment with the money.
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I'm going to pretend like you didn't just make my dick go soft.
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I'll read chats while you guys are figuring that out.
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Could an equivalent to a woman bowing to a man be a man taking the woman by the hand and kissing it,
04:25:22.960
standing up when a woman leaves the room or tilting your hat?
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So, well, just to the, uh, kissing a hand, that was also, uh, actually done mostly towards men.
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And you've probably heard this saying a million times, kiss the ring.
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So that was actually more towards men than it was towards women.
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Uh, so do you have a few, you have a few photos?
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And we don't want to see your chilled child photos.
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Well, I was a big dork is what I'm trying to show you.
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Okay, but I, show us eight, show, you can show us 18 and over.
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Uh, while we're doing that, we have some more notes here from, uh, Lori.
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Uh, sugar daddy I never slept with was engaged for two years to him.
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I didn't know you were engaged for the whole two years, though.
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He asked me to marry him, like, on the third date, because I didn't want to do anything
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Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, mi, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me,
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me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
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me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
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if this motherfucker don't crack open his wallet
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dollars a year own two cars on seventy thousand
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your happily ever after that's not delusional to
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your physical appearance I'm and well you called
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us an old bag and you're responding to a chatter
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I get that but you called us an old bag that is
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that was rude an old bag you're fifty three years
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old fifty fifty two you're so so unless I don't
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think that's old to explain to explain this to you if
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you were to live to a hundred I'm sorry if you were
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to live to a hundred and four you would be at half of
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your life right now do you understand that yeah okay so
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you're not you're not you're not you're not young
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and I'm not young either and I'm much younger than
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you and I'm not young the thing is is like look I'm just
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being realistic here at 52 years old to expect that a man's
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going to come in and give you a million dollar nest egg to
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take you to Europe for the rest of your life you don't think
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that that's slightly delusional considering the average
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income of most men most men by the way in your age bracket are
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on a social security fixed income retirement most of them like
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you're looking for the top top tier here wait how old are you
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willing to date like what's the oldest guy you date 59 I date well
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actually I've dated men up to 62 but I'm I'm like usually like seven
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years seven to ten years older I'm can go up to but honestly again it's
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really the person you know we're on you said 500k we're on the
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same like we want the same lifestyle we I've met them they're out there I don't
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think I'm delusional and you and we can we do the calculator the calculator
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we'll do the calculator because I think it'd be helpful to figure out like what
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percentage of men that you're looking for fall into this category we'll do the
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calculator it's always it's interesting yeah we're ready we're ready all right
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scroll down female delusion calculator oh my goodness age range of men you'd be
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willing to date so well I date men my up to 10 years older than okay so Nick put
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62 at the max age you would date up to 62 yeah okay minimum age of 47 47 okay I'm
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assuming exclude men who are already married right right okay exclude married
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uh race any race preference or I know white black Asian no do that okay minimum
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height a five nine is my minimum usually just okay I'll tell you five six okay
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exclude obese sure okay minimum income you're gonna just have to max that to put
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it to 500k okay okay scroll down a little bit can you yeah okay find out all right
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wait wait did we break it the probability of a guy
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then I'll just live in my delusion hold on so it's 0.031 percent uh of men that you in
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this range that make that much money you want to hide andrew for a sec um okay thanks for
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showing me that how many is that uh not a lot a leg not a lot okay um andrew had to take a smoke break
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or some or while he can smoke okay it wasn't a smoke break um 500k though really that's a lot
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200k not good you want to do 200k show me the probability of 200k it's probably not great but we
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can do it Nick can you just go back you can pull it up you can pull it up I think you just hit the back
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button it should show should be able to that's one way to go back um
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is that more okay 0.14 it was like 0.38 though it was 0.38 there's like a song from this what's
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his name that comedian oh shit lower your expectations a little forgot his name
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bo burnham thank you Nick w Nick w Nick uh nope no thank you not lower your expectations nope
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what about there's some have your opinion there's a lot of great guys who make 70k a year
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you wouldn't date a guy who makes 70k a year not my guy why
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old man marine donated 100 she's manifesting andrew any negative thoughts no matter how delusional
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they're not trolling listen you you just you just got a healthy dose of reality
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significantly less than one percent of finding what it is that you're actually after
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you're like i don't care right i'm not going to lower my standards i don't agree all
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okay well what are you basing this disagreement on
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based on how i feel you can show me the numbers okay great well i disagree with your disagreement
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based on how i feel yep because i'm not going to go down this rabbit hole with you guys because
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why not i you don't want your delusion shattered into a million pieces is that why you don't want
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go down the rabbit hole go ahead no i won't lower my standards and why not your standards or i'll be
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alone is what you guys think so i'm happy being alone as well too
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wait i'm uh there were three men that you said you dated uh for three months or so did you end it or
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did they end it i did so this guy paid he brought you on a date that cost fifteen hundred
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between fifteen hundred dollars and three thousand uh assume he's well off given he's willing to spend
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gmd jim donated ninety nine dollars so funny i literally meet all of her original criteria
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i would light all of my money on fire before giving it to a 304 like that bro jim
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what's a 304 area it's like an area code thing um
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where's that i think it's west virginia oh yeah yeah um
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i was saying actually it's it's pretty close um to the bunny ranch in vegas i'm told
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uh so oh shit wait where was i uh shit what was i saying tell me out like the
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money the money 500k yeah we pulled up the calculator no i know i know but i was on
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something oh the three guys you were dating okay oh yeah uh you broke up with them yeah uh why
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the guy that spent the money the situationship who i said is also still a dear friend of mine to this
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day um no romance but um he wasn't in a place where he wanted a relationship because he like i said he
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had three kids before the age of 30 he was living his life in reverse he was happy living his best
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life he had some some things he needed to check off his bucket list before getting into
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a relationship sure and so i wanted to open myself up for
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anyone else he was also number 15 on my 21 dates so i still had to
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seek finish that would you date a guy who makes 100k
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yeah we yeah i would date him your life partner
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because again i want to be on at least the minimum the same level
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let me ask this one one quick last follow-up i'm just curious about i've been kind of taking notes
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as we've gone i will admit your story is somewhat fascinating your expectations are fascinating to
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me probably for all the wrong reasons but um i i do have to ask this let's say you met a guy tomorrow
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who was 50 years old he made 70 000 a year he was witty he was funny he was handsome he absolutely
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adored you he'd make a great husband but the one drawback was that um you know he had a few health
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he was never going to hillary epstein donated 99 dollars in lost here wants a man with dollar 500k
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slash year salary but only have one million dollars in retirement 29 here and even i have one million
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dollars in retirement dating for money at that ridiculous amount
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quick response to this no i said originally i said 500k would be a really good number but then i
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retracted that and said i want at least a million dollars of retirement so we can retire in italy
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right and i would have close to that amount as well too but yeah half million half million bucks
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so 1.5 i'm making more i'm still making money no i i understand so i'm just going to ask this though
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um so he he checks all the right boxes he treats you well he's very handsome he's very dashing
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right he has a few health problems though he makes about 70k a year he can't give you italy but he
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will adore you and be good husband for the rest of your life but he'll never be able to financially
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pick you up where you want to go and do this italy retirement thing unless you are the one who ends up
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supporting that through your own means would you marry him
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you said you made like 200 000 a year close to it yeah okay so if a man was willing to
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provide for you financially take over whatever finances like you pay for your son so that you
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were alleviated of all your finances you don't have to worry about working he's like you know what chill
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at home i will work if he made like 180 000 and he could like provide for you but you didn't get
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as leisure of a house but maybe you guys are like a lifestyle but maybe you guys do go to visit italy
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didn't get to retire there that you'd be i would be happy with that okay yeah did you have a question
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because that's more realistic i just said like let's say you like how kind of like what andrew was
05:34:35.180
saying yeah he was he said something like let's say you meet a guy right before you even know how much
05:34:39.260
they make you fall in love with them you really just love being with them and then you like come
05:34:43.340
to the conversation of okay how much do we each make he makes under 100k but you've already built
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that connection with him you're just gonna drop him because he doesn't meet your standard i probably
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wouldn't start dating somebody unless i kind of had an idea quick question too is that something you
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like ask on like the first date no no no no i mean you can kind of tell by their lifestyle and their
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job what you know how much money they make like i'm not going to be with a graffiti artist or someone
05:35:11.340
like that you know what if it changes like let's say you're together for a year he's making good
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money and then he just suddenly stops and you're like you're already committed to him just because
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that's like changed you're like okay yeah no i can't be with you now well no because i'm going to
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pick a man that's a strong partner that are we're in alignment together and yes i am looking for a
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partner and i would love to be part of a power couple with somebody it's not about him taking
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over my finances it is about us me being able to have less of a financial burden that's all on me
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yeah and let's say like what if they get sick like and you can they write and i'm getting older too right
05:35:47.180
and i'm you know things are going to happen on my end as well too but yeah but yeah ultimately i want to
05:35:54.220
i you know me and my wife are known as a power couple i guess from the metrics that you would
05:36:02.380
express a power couple of being you know what i do though i take all of my wife's money and i buy guns
05:36:09.100
with it see she she wrote these great books they're fantastic well uh the second one is not yet but it
05:36:15.980
will be but the first one yeah it nets a you know pretty good amount of money and i take all that money
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and i buy guns right and they're just for me not for her all of her money and that's what i do with
05:36:30.940
it right um i i just i just kind of wonder right is she getting the raw end of the deal here does she
05:36:39.100
at least know how to shoot guns yeah i think she's she's somewhat competent at it
05:36:46.860
but anyway yeah i'm just wondering is she getting the raw end of the deal
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was this for the whole panel or no no just uh just for the gallon blue i'm sorry the one oh
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sorry i zoned out what are you asking you zoned out yeah i'm zoning go ahead it's getting late
05:37:04.940
okay so i just i just gotta ask this i'm kind of done with this i would meet i would meet this this
05:37:10.060
standard i think a power couple by your metric with me myself and my wife but i take all of her money
05:37:16.220
and uh i spend it on guns all of it literally all of it not kidding great every bit of it good for
05:37:22.300
you um would you would you would you say that she's getting the raw end of the deal no but you pay the
05:37:29.100
mortgage and the bills you're saying and so all of her money goes well i mean no no no those are all
05:37:35.420
assumptions i'm asking you don't know anything except this one thing that i take all of her money and
05:37:42.380
spend it on the things that i want for me is she getting the raw end of the deal
05:37:51.180
yes because her money could be used for savings or investing and not just your
05:37:58.060
your collection or your hobby so she needs to look after herself a little more you think
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ulysses the pagan donated one hundred dollars an ugly obese old troll that spanking dollar he
05:38:14.540
could get a much younger woman so why would he choose a middle-aged woman that just brings genitals
05:38:20.220
that resembles an older steve boucher in his face huh the fuck pagan bro disavow
05:38:28.460
i mean this is so funny because yeah this dress is not doing me any favors and because i'm not
05:38:35.980
obese or overweight i'm the only obese one at this team one hundred dollars okay the dudes she's looking
05:38:42.700
for wouldn't entertain some 50 year old that goes on a kuma podcast hey the good men that would
05:38:48.540
date another woman are not picking women craving zoomer internet attention slash zoomer giovanni i don't
05:38:55.900
appreciate that characterization i i am hurt i'm not mad i'm just disappointed giovanni
05:39:06.460
i'm not mad i'm just disappointed all right thank you uh thank you giovanni and then we do have a chat
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here from scott thank you for the soup chat brian forget the old has been is the cure girl cure girl
05:39:20.940
why are you the cure girl i don't know like the band the r is next to the t on the i like the cure
05:39:29.740
it's a good band uh is she single are you willing to go on a date in san diego scott that's very
05:39:36.060
flattering but i'm taken i'm taken scott but thank you sorry sorry scott sweet i'll if you send another
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super chat in though la jolla you can take me to um la jolla is not good enough for you madison
05:39:54.860
is that too posh la jolla's a little thump psa donated 100 i don't deserve a la jolla since you
05:40:01.100
had your eyebrows rated would you like to rate everyone's eyebrows one to ten maddie is on point
05:40:07.260
hashtag don't pluck hashtag eyebrows matter you want me to rate their eyebrows they're all tens you
05:40:13.260
guys i don't know about eyebrows i don't know about you guys all have tens 10 eyebrows um 10 10 10 10 10
05:40:26.220
they're all great they're all great eyebrows okay i don't i'm not an eyebrow guy i'm a labia guy i don't
05:40:31.500
know you they whip out the labias i can rate okay just kidding don't do that you d jones
05:40:37.980
just kidding okay richard richie oh whoops to me oh my god what the fuck um okay okay okay i got
05:40:44.380
moved on um so we have going back to you laurie you have a show called horrible to wholesome yeah how
05:40:54.780
do you spell the horrible though oh with the w in front of like the regular word horrible so like
05:40:59.580
whore yeah it will to wholesome yeah and you talk about going from being a whore to wholesome not a
05:41:07.100
whore i that's the name of the podcast no it's because when like i was i just that's like how
05:41:11.980
i say it whenever i say i'm like oh i'm being horrible like horrible okay uh you said that god
05:41:19.180
called her back to the strip club oh yeah that episode yeah if you actually did you guys i'm
05:41:27.260
assuming you didn't watch it didn't watch it sorry yeah um so i had actually gone to a worship night
05:41:31.980
and as i was worshiping and praying and praising the lord um i felt him just telling me something
05:41:39.740
that i've been wanting to do for a while but i didn't really feel it was time and it was just to
05:41:45.880
go pray with like the lost ones so i ended up going back to a random strip club which i didn't even pick
05:41:52.280
my boyfriend picked the place i go to it and we're kind of like okay how do i know if what girl i'm
05:41:58.640
gonna pray for pray with and when we get to the door um well actually outside of the club across the
05:42:06.020
street there was a sign that said um i can't remember what it said it said something that was
05:42:13.280
like kind of i guess like a sign to me we go inside and the guy was like hey there's only like
05:42:20.180
one girl in here and you know if you've ever talked to a stripper you know that they probably
05:42:26.000
don't want to hear oh like i came here to pray for you and so i ended up going inside and praying
05:42:31.080
for her and she was very grateful of me and we had a really good conversation about god oh i thought
05:42:40.020
it was like god god called you back to the strip club like trying to get you back to being no it's
05:42:45.640
kind of like a little bit i'm gonna be honest like clickbait like what you guys called this episode
05:42:49.880
look clickbait ish what what did we clickbait uh what was it called drama yeah i'm gonna address
05:42:57.000
the drama i addressed it at the end of the show that's not clickbait it's true there's drama i
05:43:01.160
gotta address well that's just what i felt like calling it i don't know i gotta address some drama
05:43:06.260
trust me i'm addressing the drama i'm addressing the drama yeah i just felt like he was calling me
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back to it to pray for people oh okay and then you the last thing on your notes dealing with
05:43:14.420
rejection that was also a podcast episode i don't know why it's on there but um okay yeah that was
05:43:22.840
just a podcast episode about that so uh let's get into some of the more uh we'll go uh let's see
05:43:29.780
oh we'll do a bear versus man would you rather be stuck in the forest with a random bear and actually
05:43:40.680
hold on would you rather come across a random man or a random bear in the forest and the right so
05:43:46.420
the scenario is you get dropped into the forest randomly and you can choose either a random man
05:43:53.480
gets dropped in the forest with you or a random bear you will cross paths which do you pick a bear
05:43:58.240
a man realistically a man a man a man a man a bear man uh why bear because like like why is a guy
05:44:13.000
in the forest like that's creepy no you get randomly like you randomly spawn in the forest you randomly
05:44:18.040
there's like no reason for hunger games because it's also like why wait hang on i gotta back up
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i feel like why would it be creepy for a man to be in the fucking forest why why is that creepy
05:44:30.020
like it depends what would actually make it creepy that a man was in the forest like have you not
05:44:35.340
watched the movies where like you know the killers are in the forest and they're running through the
05:44:38.680
forest and have you not watched the movies where the killers are in the cities have you not watched
05:44:42.760
the movies where the killers are in the foothills have you not watched the movies where the killers
05:44:45.840
are in the mountains like what are you talking about well honestly for me well whatever i think
05:44:56.820
You realize this is not a teddy bear that you, like, hug and snuggle with.
05:45:00.020
It's a grizzly bear or a bear like that that will rip your face off, right?
05:45:04.640
But is it, like, just chilling there, or is it, like, aggressive?
05:45:13.800
If you walked over to a random man in the street, just a random guy, anybody, right?
05:45:19.820
And you walked over to him, and you patted him on the head.
05:45:24.280
And he turned around, right, and said, what the hell are you doing?
05:45:28.600
Do you think that he would physically assault you, just a random guy that you patted on the head?
05:45:32.820
Do you think he would physically do something bad to you?
05:45:36.380
If he walked over and patted a random bear on the head, if you walked over and patted a random bear on the head,
05:45:49.280
I know that that is the bane of the existence of many people.
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What would happen if you patted a random bear on the head?
05:46:06.720
Well, you didn't give me any details of how long I'm there, but a bear is not going to rape me.
05:46:11.500
I'd rather die from a bear mulling me than a man raping me.
05:46:19.140
By the way, can you say essay instead of the...
05:46:24.040
So you must have made some sort of risk assessment where the risk of being essayed by a man you feel outweighs the risk of potential attack from the bear.
05:46:39.720
A bear is in its natural habitat, like, if you're not messing with it, it's probably most likely just going to wander off.
05:46:47.240
A man stuck in a forest with you is going to come to his, like, what does he want, you know?
05:46:57.960
So then I guess the question is, what percentage of men, then, do you think would be inclined to victimize you?
05:47:04.760
Um, I don't know, but you said a random man, and there was men that got lost in a forest and essayed a lizard, so...
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Very disappointed to learn how he does actually speak English.
05:47:26.440
Much like every other female guest ever, the more they open their mouth, the less I like them.
05:47:31.780
Um, you're disappointed to learn she speaks English.
05:48:08.260
They were camping and they got lost and they found a lizard and they all, like...
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I don't even know how to Google this without getting on, like, an FBI list.
05:48:43.280
Okay, so what are the details around this that you can tell us?
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S-Aid killed and ate a protected monitor lizard.
05:49:06.020
Oh, I shouldn't say their names because I'll get intro.
05:49:20.080
But they were, like, stranded, like, in a forest or something.
05:49:39.720
Division Forest Officer Vishal Mali told Vice News.
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The men are in their 20s and 30s and appear to have done it for fun.
05:49:48.720
I have never seen a crime like this, meaning it's so uncommon and so out there that it
05:50:03.500
Can someone, like, do an AI generation of, like, a lizard, like, kind of looking, like,
05:50:10.820
Like a gecko, like, kind of, like, looking, like, kind of hot, you know?
05:50:18.000
Yeah, it's a giant one from the girl's lizards.
05:50:27.800
So, what percentage, what percentage of men do you think would essay?
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I definitely don't think if I was stranded in the forest with a random man that he would
05:50:38.620
protect me the whole time we're stranded there.
05:50:45.800
I want to actually get an answer to the question.
05:50:53.600
What percentage of men do you think would choose to attack you in this scenario?
05:51:13.240
Like, if you think about how long, how long am I stranded in this forest with him?
05:51:19.760
I think you're, let's say, you're stranded there for two years.
05:51:25.120
Let's say you're stranded there for two years with him.
05:51:27.140
Unless it was that guy that was celibate for 17 years.
05:52:10.500
Okay, let's just say out of 10 men, like, 8 of them, I'm pretty sure if you were to just spawn them in the middle of the forest, like you're saying.
05:52:26.880
So, your family members, and the male family members of your boyfriend, they also, so 8 out of 10 of your male family members would do this, too?
05:52:46.460
I love the girl on the right's reaction to the lizard sex, but they were desperate in the wild.
05:52:53.620
The girl, the thick girl on the right's reaction to the lizard sex, but they were desperate in the, desperate for that lizard.
05:53:01.520
So, yeah, so 8 in 10 of the men in your family would essay women in the forest.
05:53:06.840
I can think of a handful of men in my family that unfortunately are disgusting.
05:53:16.600
That means, out of all, so think of 10 males in your family, 10.
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8 of them are going to essay a chick in the forest.
05:53:27.480
I don't, I don't know more than, like, 5 men in my family.
05:53:35.920
4 out of the 5 men that you do know in your family are going to essay a chick in the forest.
05:53:42.840
Would that include, would that include your father?
05:53:45.400
Uh, no, he passed away, so I'm not counting him.
05:54:05.600
Okay, so there we have, so where do the other 3 come from?
05:54:11.020
So your great-grandfather, your grandfather, your uncle, and your 2 cousins are all going to essay a chick if they're in the forest, really?
05:54:23.940
Yeah, depending on the circumstances, I could possibly see that happening.
05:54:28.260
So your, so, so I just want to make sure, your grandfather is a, uh, orist?
05:54:38.060
Yeah, you're, well, no, you said your great-grandfather and your grandfather.
05:54:44.180
Yeah, okay, you said your great-grandfather and your grandfather.
05:54:50.860
I don't have a grandpa, I have a great-grandpa, but I just...
05:54:54.040
Uh, no, I'm, I'm pretty sure it's biologically impossible for you to not have a grandpa.
05:54:59.660
Okay, so your 2 cousins, for sure, they're going to R-word a chicken for us, no matter what.
05:55:10.120
If a man told his wife to kiss the ground literally every step he took through the house, would that be cool since she has to submit?
05:55:21.500
The threshold has to comply with reason, so no, that would be unreasonable.
05:55:25.660
I can actually express why that would be unreasonable.
05:55:28.960
But anyway, back to this, uh, this kind of back and forth here.
05:55:33.880
I just want to make sure both of your cousins are R-wordists.
05:55:39.820
I just want to make sure that I hear it from you, that you're 100% positive.
05:55:43.320
They're definitely going to be against her will taking that chick in the forest, right?
05:55:55.440
How could they be SA-ing her if it's not against her will?
05:55:58.260
Because there's, like, SA that isn't, like, the type you're referring to, where it's, like, you kind of just...
05:56:07.420
I'm pretty sure all of the girls here have been in uncomfortable situations where...
05:56:15.660
I don't care about what you think other girls in the room have been through.
05:56:25.920
I'm just going to stand by that I think 8 out of 10 men would do that.
05:56:29.380
Yeah, I don't care what you're going to stand by.
05:56:32.260
You just said that they would SA women in the forest.
05:56:33.420
What would you do if you were stuck in the forest with a woman that wasn't your wife?
05:56:36.160
What would you do if you were stuck in the forest?
05:56:43.660
I mean, maybe, like, ask her to, I don't know, sharpen a stone?
05:56:48.840
Okay, she didn't want to do anything like that.
05:56:52.360
Would you think about maybe, okay, I need to eat?
05:56:54.500
If she refused to assist in her survival session.
05:57:05.000
Unfortunately, he passed this a cool idea for a man.
05:57:14.000
I want to finish this real quick before we get into that.
05:57:30.580
This scamming prostitute is so messed up with her genetics,
05:57:34.480
she herself would likely essay and take advantage of anyone she runs across
05:57:57.100
what would I do if I was with a woman in the forest?
05:58:17.340
Or you could just stay for the rest of the show.
05:58:35.780
I'm going to go away on my wheelchair right now.
05:58:37.240
Not going to go for too much longer here, guys.
05:59:05.060
you're willing to say that under your roof of raising them,
05:59:13.980
What makes you stand apart from all the other women
05:59:17.800
who are raising men to become 80% chance of being great-bists?
05:59:29.720
what percent chance will your sons be great-bists?
05:59:40.220
But I thought it seems like you're making the argument
05:59:43.060
that this is just something that's innate in men.
05:59:50.060
you're saying that 10 of them are going to be great-bists,
06:00:11.360
anything except the fact that you're spawning us
06:49:01.720
anybody here think that me and Andrew are misogynists?
06:49:30.040
I'm glad her soul is saved because her brain is unsalvageable.
06:49:35.840
just classic misogyny would be men believing they're superior to women.
06:49:47.500
would you consider myself or Brian to be misogynist,
06:50:03.340
could you just show them how to pull up Twitch really quick?
06:50:23.560
these guys are really quick with clearing out the bugs.
06:50:31.000
thank you for all the follows over there on Twitch.
06:54:10.680
Make sure you put your race in your Twitter bio
06:54:14.600
so that people don't accidentally call you the wrong race.
06:55:10.960
who's going to debate you on this for two minutes.
06:55:14.400
but I just see male privilege as more powerful.
06:55:19.580
Because I see males more often in like authority,
06:55:48.320
She says men are more often in positions of authority,
06:55:57.740
That's why I think male privilege is more powerful.
06:55:59.620
but she's saying about this within the context of male privilege.
06:56:02.660
That's why I think male privilege is more powerful than female privilege.
06:56:29.560
It's a lot more powerful than women being given.
06:56:34.660
I hate that I have to come to the defense of any of you,
06:56:39.380
but I think that Maddie just worded this wrong.
06:56:54.160
You think that men and women just have privilege in a different way.
06:57:02.920
you can't say that a man who's in a position of authority has any more
06:57:06.280
privilege than a woman who it's not in a position of authority,
06:57:32.960
Debate university courses before I claim misogynist.
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that occupy the absolute worst positions in society.
06:59:52.220
they don't have those fancy executive positions,